[09:46] <JamesTait> Bonjour, mes amis.
[10:18] <duanedesign> morning friends
[10:38] <rye> duanedesign, morning!
[11:44] <ralsina> good morning everyone!
[11:49] <duanedesign> hello rye
[11:50] <duanedesign> had a note here to ask you about a bug....
[11:50] <duanedesign> didnt write the bug number down though :)
[11:50]  * duanedesign goes looking
[13:09] <alecu> hello all!
[13:24] <nessita> hi alecu, how are you?
[13:26] <alecu> fine! a bit sleepy :-)
[13:29] <ralsina> hola alecu
[13:29] <nessita> alecu: how was your time off! which remind me...
[13:29] <ralsina> alecu: good news, the unity team says the notification APIs are in trunk now and should do useful stuff this week.
[13:31] <karni> join ubuntuone-mobile
[13:31] <karni> ops
[13:33] <alecu> ralsina: that's great news
[13:33] <alecu> nessita: reminds you of what?
[13:34] <nessita> alecu: I've just asked ralsina if I can take a holiday next Monday since I'm attending to Cosquín Rock and I plan to get wild :-p
[13:35] <nlsthzn> So... Ubuntu One client for Kubuntu on the horizon yet?
[13:35] <ralsina> nlsthzn: not  before natty. A Qt client for a little after natty, if I can pull it off.
[13:35] <ralsina> And then that can be used as a basis for a "real" KDE client
[13:36] <nlsthzn> ralsina: cool... good luck with it... I am sure there a number of users waiting (im)pariently :)
[13:36] <alecu> nessita: rock on!
[13:36] <karni> ralsina: sounds promissing. KDE guys will be happy (still, I'm running Gnome)
[13:37]  * ralsina still has a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email address
[13:37] <ralsina> karni, nlsthzn: since the windows client will be Qt-based, a part of the work will be done by Canonical. The rest I'll have to do on nights and weekends.
[13:38] <nlsthzn> Would have been annoying as hell if Windows had gotten there client before Kubuntu :p
[13:38] <karni> nlsthzn: it's already there o_O
[13:38] <karni> nlsthzn: the Windows client, that is
[13:39]  * karni is pretty sure
[13:39] <nlsthzn> oO oh noes... So MS got the love before KDE users!!!
[13:39] <ralsina> nlsthzn: the gtk client works on KDE too
[13:39] <alecu> nlsthzn: don't despair. The client runs on all linux desktops. It's just the UI
[13:39] <karni> ralsina: I'm sure you'd get some support from the devs on the KDE client
[13:40] <karni> or, KDE integration, so to speak.
[13:40] <ralsina> nlsthzn: that's one way to see the cup as half-full or half-full OF OMFG! :-)
[13:40] <nlsthzn> hmmm... don't want to "contaminate" KDE with GTK :p ... guess CLI could work as well
[13:41] <ralsina> nlsthzn: don't be a purist, pragmatists have way more fun ;-)
[13:42] <ralsina> nlsthzn: besides, usually u1 has no visible parts!
[13:43] <nlsthzn> ralsina: true (now that I think about it...) but dont' I need dolphin integration or something?
[13:43] <nessita> nlsthzn: what browser do you use?
[13:43] <karni> ralsina: before you start to look for the missing "Publish/Sync this folder" in the context menu ;D
[13:43] <ralsina> nlsthzn: a u1 context menu for dolphin could be done using the CLI tool
[13:43] <ralsina> nlsthzn: emblems.... much harder
[13:43] <nessita> ralsina: the CLI tools is blocking...
[13:43] <nlsthzn> nessita: I am using FF
[13:44] <karni> I think having full CLI support would be freaking awesome.
[13:44] <ralsina> nessita: oh, right. Ok, then after the public API is done
[13:44] <karni> Questions about headless installs would end, terminal-fans would publish files from CLI/scripts, etc
[13:44] <nessita> nlsthzn: FF (used to?) depend on serveral GTK libs...
[13:44] <ralsina> nlsthzn: such as.... GTK itself ;-)
[13:45] <nessita> nlsthzn: I was a KDE-only person as well. But I was in love with firefox and with pidgin, so I ended up having both toolkit installed
[13:46] <nlsthzn> Guess that means I do have it installed... makes sense why FF isn't installed by default :p
[13:46] <nlsthzn> so to install ubuntu one is a simple apt-get away?
[13:46] <nessita> nlsthzn: it should, honestly I haven't test it myself
[13:47] <nessita> nlsthzn: what system are you running?
[13:47] <nessita> what kubuntu version, I mean
[13:47] <nlsthzn> Kubtunu 10.10 (KDE 4.6)
[13:47] <nessita> nlsthzn: you can try and let us know if we have some packaging/dependency bug :-)
[13:48] <nlsthzn> k... I am going to try ubuntuone-client and see what happens :p
[13:48] <yofel> hm, is the natty client functional in any way? tought I would try it on kubuntu, but it only gives me some credentials error in the syncdaemon log
[13:49] <nlsthzn> wow... that is a whole host of additional packages needed
[13:49] <ralsina> yofel: it should be functional
[13:49] <ralsina> yofel: what errors are you getting exactly?
[13:53] <nlsthzn> ok, I installed ubuntuone-client (and several other packages)... what now? Not sure how to interact with it now?!
[13:53] <ralsina> alecu nessita thisfred dobey: standup in 7'
[13:54] <thisfred> ¡ sí!
[13:54] <nessita> yessir
[13:54] <ralsina> mandel is at the doctor waiting for an X-ray so he won't be joiing us
[13:54] <ralsina> It feels like late-december again, we are so few :-(
[13:55] <mandel> ralsina: i;m here :)
[13:56] <mandel> i just got back
[13:56] <ralsina> mandel: oh, cool :-)
[13:56] <ralsina> mandel: how's the hand?
[13:56] <yofel> ralsina: sry, got a kernel panic - here http://paste.kde.org/4324/
[13:56] <mandel> ralsina: in the xray it looks as bad as it was more than a week ago, kets see if the doctor says something good on thrusday
[13:56] <ralsina> yofel: version of ubuntuone-client?
[13:57] <ralsina> mandel: :-(
[13:57] <yofel> 1.5.3-0ubuntu3
[13:57] <mandel> ralsina: anyways, it could be worse :P
[13:57] <ralsina> mandel: if they say it's not improving, that's the priority, windows port be damned
[13:58] <ralsina> yofel: looks like you are not running gnome-keyring (yes, currently it's required)
[13:58] <ralsina> yofel: there was a bug lately about it not being started automatically, but it's not in that version
[13:58] <ralsina> the FIX is not in that version that is :-)
[13:59] <mandel> ralsina: lets wait 'til thrusday. ill keep everyone updated
[13:59] <yofel> hm, I have " 3591 ?        00:00:00 gconfd-2" running, do I need something else?
[13:59] <ralsina> mandel: ok
[14:00] <alecu> me
[14:00] <nessita> mr
[14:00] <nessita> me
[14:00] <thisfred> me
[14:00] <nessita> miss
[14:00] <ralsina> me
[14:00] <mandel> me
[14:00] <ralsina> yofel: in 10',we have a standup to attend :-)
[14:01] <alecu> DONE: took two days off
[14:01] <alecu> TODO: catch up with API work
[14:01] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[14:01] <alecu> NEXT: nessita
[14:01] <nessita>      31 DONE: started with bug #714583. Pinged people in ISD about bug #709496. Reviews.
[14:01] <nessita>      32 TODO: more for #714583. Follow up conversatrions with people in ISD about #709496.
[14:01] <nessita>      33 BLOCKED: nopes
[14:01] <nessita>      34 NEXT: ralsina
[14:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 714583 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Support share subscription in Folders tab (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/714583
[14:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 709496 in canonical-identity-provider "Need a way to set the 'name' property for newly created accounts using REST API (affects: 1) (heat: 19)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709496
[14:01] <alecu> (sorry, new irc client)
[14:02] <ralsina> DONE: reviews, desktop integration call, canonicaladmin
[14:02] <ralsina> TODO: reviews, management stuff, sprint planning, triage another 8 tons of bugs
[14:02] <ralsina> someday actual coding ;-)
[14:02] <ralsina> BLOCKED: no
[14:02] <ralsina> mandel!
[14:02] <nessita> NEXT: thisfred, sorry
[14:02] <mandel> DONE: Doctors appointment for a new xray.
[14:02] <mandel> TODO: allow to run windows sd tests on 64 with a 32 version of python. Update child branches. Fix buf in file system branch.
[14:02] <mandel> BLOCKED: No
[14:02] <mandel> HATE: THe spanish version of the NHS
[14:02] <ralsina> oops
[14:02] <nessita> thisfred: ahora!
[14:02] <mandel> uh, this got messy….
[14:02] <thisfred> DONE: started on Bug #702055
[14:02] <thisfred> TODO: API work, and now that all the infrastructure is in place, Bug #702075, Bug #702128, Bug #702138, Bug #702144, Bug #702172, Bug #702176, Bug #702183
[14:02] <thisfred> BLOCKED: no
[14:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702055 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Syncdaemon needs to send a notification when a new UDF is available for subscription (affects: 1) (heat: 141)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702055
[14:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702075 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Syncdaemon needs to add an entry to the messaging menu when a new UDF is available for subscription (affects: 1) (heat: 166)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702075
[14:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702128 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Syncdaemon needs to send aggregated notifications about completed operations (affects: 1) (heat: 166)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702128
[14:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702138 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Syncdaemon needs to send a notification when a new share offer comes in (affects: 1) (heat: 166)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702138
[14:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702144 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Syncdaemon needs to add an entry to the messaging menu when a new share offer comes in (affects: 1) (heat: 166)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702144
[14:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702172 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Syncdaemon needs to send a notification when a folder shared to the user exceeds the owning user's quota (affects: 1) (heat: 166)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702172
[14:03] <thisfred> nessita: !
[14:03] <ralsina> hahaha
[14:03] <ralsina> I think that's everyone until dobey wakes up
[14:03] <thisfred> eh, mandel
[14:03] <thisfred> eh
[14:03] <thisfred> ok :)
[14:03] <ralsina> So, comments?
[14:03] <nessita> ralsina: any news on our sprint?
[14:04] <ralsina> nessita: we are asking for official approval today before we can proceed further
[14:04] <thisfred> oh: +TODO: catch up with alecu and ask him some questions
[14:04] <thisfred> alecu: see #u1-internal :)
[14:04] <alecu> looking
[14:04] <nessita> ralsina: ack, thanks!
[14:04] <ralsina> I have team leads call today, so I'd appreciate if privately everyone posted a quick report on their tasks?
[14:06] <ralsina> eom?
[14:07] <dobey> hmm
[14:07] <dobey> λ DONE: shotwell plug-in research, start moving python code to use pth mathic
[14:07] <dobey> λ TODO: shotwell plug-in research, finish bug 673012, evaluate SRUs for maverick
[14:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 673012 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Async monitoring of _changes (affects: 1) (heat: 43)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673012
[14:07] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[14:07] <nessita> ralsina: eom!
[14:07] <ralsina> dobey: pth mathic?
[14:08] <ralsina> yofel: try running gnome-keyring and try again
[14:08] <yofel> aah, "The program 'gnome-keyring' is currently not installed."
[14:09] <alecu> yofel: gnome-keyring-daemon ?
[14:10] <ralsina> alecu, nessita: aha! missing dependency, I say
[14:10] <dobey> ralsina: sorry, every time i see pth it makes me think of a lisp. magic. basically, installing our python packages such that we don't have to worry about conflicting __init__.py and such
[14:11] <nessita> ralsina: in maverick, ussoc depends in gnome-keyring...
[14:11] <ralsina> dobey: ok, just curious :-)
[14:11] <ralsina> nessita: yofel is on natty, I think?
[14:12] <yofel> I am, and gnome-keyring-daemon is part of gnome-keyring
[14:12] <yofel> ok, *now* I get the sso client
[14:12] <nessita> ralsina: on natty, we don't depend on gnome-keyring but on any freedesktop keyring implementation
[14:12] <dobey> depending != starting
[14:13] <ralsina> nessita: ok, then I have no idea about the error
[14:13] <yofel> an the sso client in natty doesn't the depend on gnome-keyring here
[14:14] <yofel> see: http://paste.kde.org/4325
[14:14] <nessita> yofel: it does not depend on the keyring, but on a keyring dbus service that implements freedesktop keyring spec
[14:14] <nessita> as far as I know kwallet implemented that? or was supposed to?
[14:14] <mandel> ralsina: ping
[14:14] <ralsina> mandel: pong
[14:15] <yofel> could be a bug in kwallet then maybe, I'll search around later
[14:15] <mandel> ralsina: the fix_runner branch now should run the tests if you have python 32 in a 64 machine :)
[14:15] <nessita> yofel: if kde provides a services implementing http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/secret-storage-spec, ussoc should work
[14:15] <ralsina> mandel: oh, joy :-)
[14:15] <mandel> ralsina: you can test it whenever you have time
[14:15] <ralsina> mandel: after team leads, I suppose
[14:16] <nessita> yofel: we access the org.freedesktop.secrets DBUS service and use the API detailed in the link I pasted
[14:16] <mandel> ralsina: when ever you can, i'll move to other branches no worries
[14:16] <ralsina> mandel: cool
[14:16] <alecu> nessita, yofel: that spec was made by both the developers of Gnome Keyring and Kwallet. http://code.confuego.org/secrets-xdg-specs/
[14:17] <alecu> yofel: so perhaps we need to tweak something to make it work with kwallet, because we haven't tested it yet, but it should mostly work.
[14:18] <ralsina> ksecretserviced is not released yet
[14:18] <ralsina> Or it was released in 4.6 that is not in Kubuuntu yet
[14:19] <yofel> no, kubuntu has 4.6, I think they postponed ksecretserviced
[14:20] <ralsina> So MAYBE we have some part of kde with a wrong provides?
[14:20] <ralsina> yofel: it would be cool to find who is satisfying u1-client's dependencies but my apt-fu is weak
[14:35] <thisfred> alecu: hey, don't know if you saw, but I will take care of the interesting_events queue
[14:48] <nessita> alecu: ah, I forgot to mention. AWESOME work with the notifications!
[14:54] <alecu> nessita: thanks :-) they look a lot better now.
[14:54] <alecu> thisfred: saw it, cool.
[14:54] <nessita> dobey: so, did lucio got back to you about making a release?
[14:54] <dobey> no
[14:55] <nessita> verterok: I approved your branch from yesterday, if you could seek a second approval, we can ensure we release this fix soon
[15:24] <dobey> well i mailed the shotwell list; hopefully will get a few useful replies
[15:28] <ralsina> dobey: cool
[15:38] <snap-l> Files service appears to be generating 503 errors
[15:40] <mandel> dobey: ping
[15:41] <dobey> mandel: hi
[15:41] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/p/bVa/ <- Example URL
[15:41] <mandel> dobey: helllo :), can you give me a very quick review on this; https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/fix_missing_man_info/+merge/48933
[15:41] <mandel> i forgot to update the man last time
[15:43] <nessita> snap-l: let me ask to server maintainer's
[15:44] <dobey> mandel: typo, but otherwise fine :)
[15:45] <snap-l> nessita: thank you!
[15:45] <mandel> dobey: hehe nice comment, i'll fix that
[15:46] <dobey> :)
[15:47] <nessita> snap-l: we're in the middle of servers updates, it shouldn't take long
[15:47] <thisfred> brbreboot
[15:47] <mandel> dobey: it has been sorted out
[15:47] <snap-l> nessita: Ah, thanks. Might want to update the status? :)
[15:48] <nessita> snap-l: that is what I'm trying to find out. Seems like that for weekly updates we don't update the status page... but I'm trying to convince we should do it
[15:50] <snap-l> nessita: as a customer, I would appreciate at least some notice that public stuff may not work. :)
[15:51] <ralsina> snap-l: we have support for service status notifications, but it's not done yet
[15:51] <ralsina> oops, PLANNED support
[15:52] <nessita> ralsina: right, but maybe we should coordinate with joshuahoover/rye to update the status page, manually
[15:52] <ralsina> nessita: yes
[15:53] <nessita> snap-l: status page will be updated soon
[15:53] <snap-l> Cool, thank you!
[15:53] <nessita> you're welcome!
[16:06] <nessita> snap-l: all services should be working normally now
[16:16] <snap-l> nessita: Thank you! Working fine now!
[16:16] <nessita> :-)
[16:33] <dobey> ok, lunch time
[16:37] <ralsina> alecu nessita thisfred: Stuart will be coordinating your API work directly, since he's the one that knows the big picture
[16:38] <alecu> ralsina: cool
[16:38] <thisfred> ohnoes!
[16:38] <thisfred> I mean Awesome!
[16:38] <thisfred> the keys are like right next to eachother ;)
[16:39] <ralsina> you are not on loan or anything, but he will decide what part of the API work go first and that kind of stuff
[16:39] <thisfred> right
[16:39] <thisfred> The futures are now!
[16:39] <thisfred> I for one welcome our aquarian overlords
[16:43] <teknico> thisfred, that flaxseed sure tastes good ;-)
[16:44] <thisfred> as usual, you've lost me :)
[16:44] <thisfred> But I like flaxseed
[16:46] <nessita> ralsina: ack
[16:46] <nessita> lunchtime!!!
[16:54] <ralsina> dobey, about bug #650671
[16:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 650671 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "UbuntuOne "out of space" dialog is broken (affects: 14) (dups: 3) (heat: 81)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650671
[16:55] <ralsina> What action is missing to finally get that into Maverick?
[16:59] <ralsina> mandel: ping
[17:16] <ralsina> mandel: ping, and when I call your phone I get a german girl telling me my call is unauthorized :-)
[17:19] <dobey> ralsina: well i guess we need to fix bug #712674 so we won't have to do another sru for a while
[17:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 712674 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "Nautilus offers publishing files within shares while it's not allowed on the server (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712674
[17:19] <dobey> ralsina: then we can do an sru for maverick
[17:19] <ralsina> dobey: oh, that one
[17:19] <ralsina> dobey: we'll take a look at it tomorrow, promise
[17:19] <ralsina> I'm having a bit of a chaotic day today ;-)
[17:23] <dobey> ok
[17:23] <thisfred> nessita: alecu: what's the best way to open the control panel to the shares/udfs tab from ubuntuone-client?
[17:38] <nessita> thisfred: ubuntuone-control-panel --swicth_to=volumes
[17:38] <thisfred> nessita: that's both udfs and shares right?
[17:38] <nessita> or --switch_to=folders, can't remember
[17:38] <nessita> thisfred: yes
[17:38] <nessita> actually,  --switch-to=volumes
[17:39] <thisfred> nessita: hmm, so do I use subprocess or something?
[17:39] <thisfred> I'll figure it out
[17:39] <nessita> thisfred: yes, subprocess.Popen
[17:39] <thisfred> ok
[17:40] <thisfred> I hope the messaging menu likes that ;)
[17:49] <dobey> anyone want to give a second review on https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/fix_missing_man_info/+merge/48933 real quick?
[17:50] <thisfred> dobey: on it
[17:50] <thisfred> dobey: done
[17:50] <dobey> thanks
[17:54] <mandel> ralsina_lunch: pong
[17:54] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: you should have gotten a mumble invitation from ivanka for thursday
[17:54] <ralsina_lunch> It's a bit late today and I am leaving for lunch anyway
[17:54] <mandel> ralsina_lunch: sorry, irc chrashed  i did not notice, i was in the vm
[17:55] <mandel> ralsina_lunch: what for?
[17:55] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: it's to discuss what we are going to do with the Windows UI
[17:56] <mandel> ralsina_lunch: ok, but i though it would the same as linux
[17:56] <mandel> isn't it?
[17:56] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: welllllllll no. Not exactly.
[17:57] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: since we are doing it from scratch we may be useful as guinea pigs for the next cycle
[17:57] <ralsina_lunch> But nothing radically different, probably just looks
[17:57] <mandel> ralsina_lunch: oh well, that sounds good
[17:57] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: does the windows port support UDFs?
[17:58] <mandel> ralsina_lunch: we will support everythig supported by sd
[17:58] <mandel> ralsina_lunch: but there are issues we have to talk in term of user interaction, like file locking
[17:59] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: precisely what I was going at. We need to think the whole user experience with that on Windows.
[17:59] <ralsina_lunch> Anyway, I am really out to lunch now, we'll talk it later/tomorrow
[18:00] <mandel> ralsina_lunch: one last thing, ca we do it later, i have to go to the doctor
[18:00] <ralsina_lunch> mandel: talk to ivanka, I am happy with anything you agree
[18:00] <ralsina_lunch> except if it overlaps team weekly call
[18:01] <mandel> ivanka: ping
[18:02] <nessita> verterok, ralsina_lunch: can I have a quick review for https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-client/get-sharesdir/+merge/48954 ?
[18:05] <ivanka> mandel: hi
[18:09] <ivanka> mandel: shall we mumble?
[18:10] <thisfred> nessita: on my maverick I only seem to have ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk. Is that aliased on natty?
[18:11] <nessita> thisfred: nopes, sorry, that is the one
[18:12] <thisfred> nessita: ah ok, so then this needs to be in platform, that works
[18:12] <ivanka> mandel: all I really need in advance of Thursday is to make sure I have seen all your latest work. I don't mind if it is screen grabs or the actual app
[18:12] <ivanka> mandel: I will have a windows machine tomorrow morning that I can use
[18:15] <ivanka> mandel: I have a train to catch - I will speak to you Thursday if not tomorrow!
[18:15] <nessita> thisfred: would you be available for a review?
[18:16] <thisfred> nessita: if you're in a hurry, yes, if not I'd rather finish this branch. But if you weren't in a hurry you probably wouldn't have asked
[18:16] <thisfred> tldr: yes
[18:17] <nessita> thisfred: the hurry is not that big, I have another branch about to depend on this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/share-subs/+merge/48955 but you can do it after you finish your branch
[18:18] <thisfred> nessita: I'll do it now so I won't forget
[18:31] <thisfred> nessita: all the folders are greyed out, on your branch. Is that because I'm on maverick?
[18:31] <alecu> thisfred, ping. there are two bits missing, that I'll add in my next branch if you didn't work on those yet: backend support for updating the progressbar and for connection/disconnection from the server (to update the progressbar pulse)
[18:32] <thisfred> alecu: I have not started on any  of that yet no. Messaging is almost done though :)
[18:32] <nessita> thisfred: nopes, there must be an error. Are you running syncdaemon from nightlies?
[18:32] <thisfred> nessita: yep
[18:32] <thisfred> I updated today
[18:33] <nessita> thisfred: what's the output of u1sdtool --list-shares in  a terminal?
[18:33] <alecu> thisfred, cool :-)
[18:34] <thisfred> nessita:  https://pastebin.canonical.com/42991/
[18:34] <thisfred> nessita: it does say File Sync in progress
[18:35] <nessita> thisfred: you don't have the latest client... what does aptitude show ubuntuone-client says, regarding version installed?\
[18:35] <thisfred> nessita:  https://pastebin.canonical.com/42992/
[18:36]  * dobey wonders why people use aptitude
[18:36] <thisfred> dobey: well they won't be on natty :)
[18:37] <nessita> thisfred: can you u1sdtool -q && u1sdtool -c? you updated but you have an old client running
[18:37] <nessita> thisfred: https://pastebin.canonical.com/42993/ (see how shares have a 'subscribed' attribute that yours don t have)
[18:38] <thisfred> nessita: that's weird, I just updated and restarted
[18:38] <nessita> thisfred: I use aptitude on natty
[18:38] <nessita> it rocks
[18:38] <thisfred> nessita: oh I thought it was removed
[18:38] <thisfred> It was when I upgraded
[18:38] <nessita> is not installed bu default
[18:39] <thisfred> nessita: no change when I do u1sdtool --list-shares
[18:40] <nessita> thisfred: can you please sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntuone-client ?
[18:40] <nessita> thisfred: there is something odd with your system... share subscription landed on 840~
[18:41] <thisfred> nessita: I don't have aptitude
[18:41] <nessita> well, whatever equivalent version for apt
[18:43] <thisfred> nessita: I apt-get removed and reinstalled, did the quit and restart thing, and still no change
[18:44] <thisfred> nessita: guess I'll abstain?
[18:44] <nessita> thisfred: no, can you please run syncdemon from trunk?
[18:44] <nessita> thisfred: in U1 trunk:
[18:45] <nessita> PYTHONPATH=. ./bin/ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[18:45] <thisfred> nessita: ok
[18:46] <thisfred> nessita: still no 'subscribed' property in list shares....
[18:48] <nessita> thisfred: what do you have on trunk/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/volume_manager.py line 142?
[18:49] <nessita> you should have
[18:49] <nessita>     142     subscribed = True  # old shares should be automatically subscribed
[18:49] <thisfred> nessita: yep, that's there
[18:51] <nessita> can you please kill current SD, and then:
[18:51] <nessita> find -name '*.pyc' | xargs rm
[18:51] <nessita> and start it again from trunk?
[18:51] <nessita> thisfred: I'm freaking out :-)
[18:51] <nessita> thisfred: also, when runing u1sdtool, you're pointing pythonpath to trunk, right?
[18:51] <nessita> meaning:
[18:52] <nessita> nessita@dali:~/canonical/u1/client/trunk$ PYTHONPATH=. ./bin/u1sdtool --list-shares
[18:52] <thisfred> ah no
[18:52] <thisfred> let's try that again
[18:52] <thisfred> nessita: that worked
[18:52] <nessita> ah! fiuuuu
[18:53] <thisfred> let's see if the control-panel is also working now
[18:53] <nessita> thisfred: ok, if you leave the trunk syncdaemon running, u1cp should work
[18:53] <thisfred> nessita: it does. WHEW :)
[18:53] <nessita> yeah
[18:53] <nessita> :-)
[18:54] <thisfred> nessita: although unsubscribing does not :(
[18:55] <nessita> thisfred: meaning what exactly?
[18:55] <thisfred> nessita: when I click a checkbox, the panel greys out, then comes back with the checkbox still checked
[18:56] <nessita> thisfred: what does --list-shares says? and do you have any ERROR on the terminal you're running the backend?
[18:56] <thisfred> 2011-02-08 13:55:15,725 - ubuntuone.controlpanel.gtk.gui - ERROR - on_volume_settings_change_error: args (<VolumesPanel object at 0x23a5dc0 (GtkVBox at 0x25a0ba0)>, dbus.String(u'e57470bc-96fe-4973-85a6-bbe58e960937'), dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'error_type'): dbus.String(u'VolumesError'), dbus.String(u'error_msg'): dbus.String(u'(dbus.String(u\'e57470bc-96fe-4973-85a6-bbe58e960937\'), AttributeError("\'SyncDaemonTool\' obje
[18:56] <thisfred> ct has no attribute \'unsubscribe_share\'",))')}, signature=dbus.Signature('ss'))), kwargs {}.
[18:57] <thisfred> Is that because something else is not up to date?
[18:58] <nessita> thisfred: yeah... we need to add the path to the SD trunk when running the control panel backend :-(
[18:58] <nessita> thisfred: is so weird that your system SD does not have this
[18:59] <thisfred> nessita: perhaps the 64bit one was not built for nightlies?
[18:59] <nessita> maybe... dobey?
[18:59] <dobey> no it was
[18:59] <thisfred> let me see if anything is in /usr/local
[18:59] <nessita> thisfred: what do you have on /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/volume_manager.py:142
[18:59] <dobey> latest trunk revision is 846
[19:01] <thisfred> nessita: yeah, the subscribed = True is not there
[19:01] <nessita> thisfred: well... not sure what else to say
[19:02] <thisfred> me either, I have nightlies enabled
[19:02] <thisfred> and have dist-upgraded
[19:02] <thisfred> even reinstalled ubuntuone-client
[19:03] <nessita> thisfred: you can abstain, I don't want to steal more time from you
[19:03] <nessita> thanks anyways!
[19:03] <thisfred> nessita: ok. ALso: a keybinding to close the control panel would be most welcome :)
[19:04] <nessita> thisfred: such as? atl+f4 works
[19:04] <thisfred> nessita: nope
[19:04] <thisfred> not for me at least
[19:05] <nessita> thisfred: you mentioned this before, but it does work, I just confirmed it
[19:05] <nessita> thisfred: maybe it does not work on unity?
[19:05] <thisfred> nessita: possibly because your window manager catches it. The window itself does not
[19:06] <nessita> thisfred: what window manager are you running that is different than mine? I added no special settings on mine
[19:06] <thisfred> well I have, I'm running xmonads ;)
[19:06] <thisfred> so I admit not many people are going to have this problem
[19:07] <thisfred> but I think it's still the right thing to do
[19:07] <nessita> thisfred: and wil other windows close with alt+f4
[19:07] <thisfred> though I'm not a gnome expert so maybe not
[19:07] <thisfred> nessita: yep, some do
[19:07] <thisfred> nessita: some want CTRL-Q or CTRL-W
[19:08] <thisfred> the control panel listens to none. It would also be ok if it had a menu to close it
[19:08] <thisfred> but it does not either
[19:09] <thisfred> anyway LOOOOOOOOOOW priority
[19:12] <ralsina> thisfred: then it's whatever xmonad uses to close windows ;-)
[19:13] <thisfred> ralsina: I don't think it has anything, it's up to the app. xmonads does not show the window decorations, for one thing
[19:13] <ralsina> mod-shift-c by default
[19:13] <thisfred> ooh
[19:13] <thisfred> thanks!
[19:13] <ralsina> google knows everything, you know
[19:14] <thisfred> ralsina: true that
[19:14] <thisfred> ralsina: still I wonder why for almost every other app does one of the usual key combos work
[19:15] <thisfred> anyway, this works for me
[19:15] <ralsina> thisfred: because they have menus and add the standard items with standard shortcuts?
[19:15] <mandel> ralsina: ping
[19:15] <thisfred> I will now garbage collect all other keybindings from my memory
[19:15] <ralsina> mandel: pong
[19:15] <thisfred> ralsina: yeah probably
[19:15] <mandel> ralsina: did you have the time to run the windows tests?
[19:16] <ralsina> why xmonads can't use Alt+f4 like everyone else, is probably a side effect of programming haskell.
[19:16] <ralsina> mandel: about to start!
[19:16] <ralsina> mandel: have 5' to wait for it?
[19:16] <mandel> ralsina: and have you talked with the msi guy?
[19:16] <ralsina> mandel: not yet. I will very early tomorrow
[19:16] <thisfred> ralsina: I have *many* apps on linux that don't respond to alt-f4. it seems about 50-50 between CTRL-Q and ALT-F4
[19:16] <mandel> ralsina: i can wait, no problem
[19:16]  * ralsina has had an insane day
[19:17] <ralsina> thisfred: alt++f4 is a WM thing
[19:17] <dobey> alt+f4 is a windows thing
[19:17] <thisfred> ah right. But even in metacity that doesn't always work, IIRC
[19:17] <dobey> lots of WMs implement it, for compatibility's sake
[19:17] <dobey> thisfred: it always works, unless you changed the binding, or the app is totally hosed and refusing to die
[19:18] <dobey> zombie uprising and all
[19:18] <ralsina> mandel: link to the branch? I misplaced it
[19:18] <mandel> ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/fix_runner/+merge/46275
[19:19] <ralsina> mandel: ok, branching and merging
[19:19] <mandel> ok
[19:21] <ralsina> damn bzr is slow on windoes
[19:22] <ralsina> mandel: one of these days we need to really think where our lives went wrong, and we ended being the windows guys
[19:22] <karni> verterok: hi! please don't bother with profilng authentication code of u1-java-sp client, I switched the order (from conn->auth->set_caps) to conn->set_caps->auth and it's set_caps that generates the GC now.
[19:22] <karni> verterok: all in all, looks like it's handshake related or something. I'll look into it, so don't waste your time for now, if you planned on haveing a look at that.
[19:22] <karni> verterok: :)
[19:23] <mandel> ralsina: i tried to fix it braking my arm, did not work
[19:23] <mandel> ralsina: could we worse, we could like it
[19:23] <ralsina> mandel: I'll try eating random mushrooms
[19:23] <ralsina> ok, it's complaining I don't have u1trial
[19:23] <ralsina> can't open file 'C:\Python27\\Scripts\u1trial'
[19:23] <mandel> ralsina: oh well, that is good :)
[19:24] <ralsina> Well, at least it knows where python is :-)
[19:24] <mandel> ralsina: get lp:ubuntuone-dev-tools and setup.py install
[19:24] <ralsina> mandel: ok, on it!
[19:24] <mandel> ralsina: we do not have a ppa for window ;)
[19:25] <ralsina> mandel: you slacker! ;-)
[19:25] <ralsina> no coverage. Easy_installing...
[19:26] <ralsina> executing the tests!
[19:26] <thisfred> nessita: If I want to say "new udfs available" how would I formulate that in user speak? "New Cloud Folders Available" ?
[19:26] <ralsina> no pylint
[19:27] <ralsina> easy_installing
[19:27] <thisfred> alecu: ah, none of the strings are i18n-ed yet right?
[19:28] <mandel> ralsina: be happy we do not use any glib library… :)
[19:28] <thisfred> in aggregator.py that is
[19:28] <thisfred> I'll do that on a separate branch then
[19:28] <ralsina> mandel: ImportError: No module named configglue.inischema
[19:29] <mandel> ralsina: wtf, is that fro ubuntuone-dev-tools ?
[19:29] <mandel> or something else from easy install?
[19:29] <ralsina> mandel: u1lint, it seems
[19:29] <ralsina> no module called simplejson
[19:29] <nessita> thisfred: I would say something like 'Pictures folder is now available to sync in this device'?
[19:29] <ralsina> that is a bug, it should try to import json and only if it fails, simplejson
[19:30] <nessita> thisfred: anyways, cparrino is the string owner
[19:30] <mandel> ralsina: which version oof python are u using, 2.6?
[19:30] <nessita> thisfred: you can make a list and we should run that list by him
[19:30] <ralsina> mandel: 2.7
[19:30] <ralsina> json is included since 2.5 I think
[19:30] <ralsina> no module named oauth, easy_installing...
[19:30] <thisfred> nessita: no we only have 1 entry (with a count) in the messaging indicator, so it can't say which UDFs
[19:31] <nessita> ah
[19:31] <thisfred> nessita: anyway, I'll do Cloud Folder(s) for now, since that's in the control panel as well
[19:31] <alecu> thisfred, no i18n yet, right.
[19:31] <ralsina> mandel: no module named mocker ... easy_installing
[19:31] <thisfred> alecu: ok, cool
[19:31] <janimo_> is there a REST API planned for shotwell uploads this cycle, or photos are synced to U1 by other means?
[19:31] <thisfred> alecu: that's an easy branch :0
[19:32] <ralsina> dev-tools should really install all these things...
[19:32] <nessita> thisfred: what about... 'New cloud folders'
[19:32] <dobey> ralsina: install all what?
[19:32] <mandel> ralsina: haha I though you had all those...
[19:32] <ralsina> yay! tests!!!!!
[19:32] <ralsina> dobey: mocker, oauth, others
[19:32] <thisfred> nessita: yeah I'll see what fits
[19:32] <ralsina> mandel: the simplejson one is really a bug
[19:32] <dobey> ralsina: no it shouldn't
[19:33] <dobey> devtools doesn't use oauth
[19:33] <ralsina> dobey: well, can you do dev work without them?
[19:33] <mandel> ralsina: is strange, i have not had that
[19:33] <ralsina> I thought the goal of dev-tools was to provide us with an environment to do dev work in
[19:33] <dobey> ralsina: it's dev-tools not dev-install-everything-i-need-to-do-work
[19:33] <dobey> no
[19:33] <ralsina> But anyway, mandel: +1 :-)
[19:34] <mandel> ralsina: did the tests run?
[19:34] <ralsina> Yes, failing in interesting ways
[19:34] <alecu> ralsina, the package you are looking for is "ubuntuone-developer-dependencies"
[19:34] <dobey> the goal of dev-tools is to consolidate all the duplicated test cases and stuff we use, and provide a test runner and lint wrapper to test and lint our code
[19:34] <ralsina> alecu: on windows?
[19:34] <dobey> alecu: not for client stuff
[19:34] <ralsina> dobey: ok
[19:34] <alecu> ralsina, oh, not on windows, sorry.
[19:35]  * mandel evil laugh
[19:35] <dobey> alecu: or for client stuff. that is for server
[19:35] <ralsina> dobey: u1lint requires pylint, and setup.py install doesn't install it
[19:35] <thisfred> nessita: ooh. When I call ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk --switch-to=whatever *twice* it opens two panels...
[19:35] <ralsina> dobey: u1lint requires configglue, and doesn't install it
[19:35] <nessita> thisfred: well, yes
[19:35] <thisfred> that's suboptimal
[19:35]  * ralsina could be missing where those requirements came from though
[19:35] <dobey> ralsina: linux kernel requires a compiler but "make" doesn't install gcc either
[19:36] <thisfred> and makes the name "switch-to" really wrong :0
[19:36] <dobey> u1lint doesn't require configglue
[19:36] <mandel> ralsina: if you are in windows you can also  look at this, but you will need to read the code and use u1trial to run just the os_helper tests
[19:36] <ralsina> dobey: "provide u1lint" != "provide a working u1lint"
[19:36] <ralsina> dobey: ok, something required it, and something didn't install it ;-)
[19:36] <dobey> ralsina: u1lint does not include pylint, so it does not install pylint.
[19:36] <dobey> it requires it.
[19:37] <dobey> it's like when you buy a game add-on "Requires Full Version of Doom"
[19:37] <ralsina> dobey: usually, when you setup.py install a pythn package, it installs dependencies
[19:37] <ralsina> dobey: if it doesn't, it's broken.
[19:37] <dobey> ralsina: you and i have a very different idea of usually
[19:37] <dobey> ralsina: because that is so not true.
[19:37] <ralsina> dobey: oh, yeah? Show me two python packages that don't.
[19:37] <mandel> ralsina: did you submit your review, i'd like to have it state that there was annother windows machine involved
[19:38] <dobey> ralsina: oauth, mocker, ubuntuone-storage-protocol, ubuntuone-dev-tools, ubuntu_sso
[19:38] <mandel> haha most of them have someone fro canonical involved :)
[19:38] <dobey> ralsina: i think you're confusing setup.py, and pypi or whatever that other thing is that can install other things
[19:39] <dobey> setup.py is not CPAN
[19:39] <ralsina> dobey: setup.py done using setuptools, like most python developers have used the last oh, 5 years or so.
[19:39] <dobey> i have never seen a setup.py install other things, in fact.
[19:39] <dobey> setuptools doesn't have dependencies
[19:39] <ralsina> distutils?
[19:40]  * ralsina mixes them up often
[19:40] <dobey> no
[19:40] <dobey> distribute does i think, but the way they work is still rather bleh
[19:42] <ralsina> setuptools and distribute do, section install_requires.
[19:43] <ralsina> distutils doesn't.
[19:44] <ralsina> mandel: fun, it seems the bat is unstoppable :-D
[19:45] <mandel> ralsina: that is the test runner, are u using cygwin?
[19:45] <ralsina> mandel: no
[19:45] <mandel> ralsina: thentry ctrl+c and you  ight be lucky, best option, kill the process
[19:46] <ralsina> mandel: no problem
[19:46] <mandel> i call this xtream tdd :P
[19:46] <ralsina> mandel: it just takes a while to stop :-)
[19:46] <ralsina> mandel: basically I got a lot of None is not iterable. Is that what you get?
[19:47] <mandel> ralsina: yes, it is due to the fact that the branch only allows to run the tests, all of them fail
[19:47] <ralsina> hahaha ok, then mission accomplished ;-)
[19:48] <mandel> ralsina: I have to go step by step, and even when you do that the diffs are huge
[19:48] <ralsina> mandel: sure, it's progress, man!
[19:57] <mandel> ralsina: if you are still on windows, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/implement_windows_os_helper/+merge/46630
[19:57] <dobey> ralsina: you are not still at lunch!
[19:57] <ralsina> mandel: sure, in 2'
[19:57] <ralsina> dobey: thanks for reminding me, missed it on the cnonical server
[19:58] <dobey> :)
[19:58] <mandel> ralsina: ok, in this you can run a subset of the test rather than all of them
[20:00] <ralsina> mandel: ok, bzr-ing it now
[20:01] <mandel> ralsina: do you know how to run a subset of the tests ?
[20:01] <ralsina> mandel: not yet, start typing ;-)
[20:03] <mandel> ralsina: just call u1trial with the path that contains the test cases to run, is that simple
[20:03] <ralsina> mandel ok
[20:04] <ralsina> mandel: bzr is complaining, so I haven't started yet
[20:04] <mandel> ralsina:  and make sure that you do it from the root of theproject, so that the path are set correctly
[20:04] <ralsina> mandel: ok
[20:04] <mandel> ralsina: about the merge?
[20:05] <ralsina> mandel: it's giving a bullshit error about error removing pending lock: Directory not empty: "C:/Users/ROBERTO/Desktop/Cano
[20:05] <ralsina> nical/implement_windows_os_helper/.bzr/repository/lock/lea3t7nhar.tmp": [Error 1
[20:05] <ralsina> mandel: I deleted and started over, so in 1' we'll see
[20:06] <dobey> brb, snack
[20:06] <mandel> ralsina: windows tiene que ser por lo menos elpurgatorio….
[20:07] <ralsina> mandel: well... mumble does work nicely ;-)
[20:07] <ralsina> fark! I can't do bzr branch anymore!
[20:07] <ralsina> bzr: ERROR: Failed to rename C:/Users/ROBERTO/Desktop/Canonical/ubuntuone-client
[20:07] <ralsina> /.bzr/checkout/limbo/new-15 to C:/Users/ROBERTO/Desktop/Canonical/ubuntuone-clie
[20:07] <ralsina> nt/libsyncdaemon: [Error 5] Access is denied
[20:08] <mandel> ralsina: try to remove the limbo using your admin account
[20:09] <mandel> start the cmd as admin ad try to del the dir
[20:09] <ralsina> mandel: trying
[20:09] <ralsina> mandel: I am as admin. Deleted one-folder higher and retrying
[20:10] <ralsina> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[20:12] <ralsina> ck
[20:13] <mandel> lol
[20:13] <ralsina> I can't even branch or clone lp:ubuntuone-client
[20:14] <ralsina> hey, yes, I could
[20:15] <ralsina> it just fixed itself.  Have a nice evening everyone!
[21:11] <thisfred> thx you too
[21:20] <thisfred> alecu, our work is starting to pay off: this branch closes 4 bugs!
[21:20] <thisfred> https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/lp-702055/+merge/48987
[21:20] <thisfred> nessita: also ^
[21:21] <nessita> thisfred: tomorrow I'll review!
[21:22] <thisfred> nessita: thx!
[21:22] <dobey> i kill bugs all the time, but i suppose that comes with living next to a forest
[21:22] <thisfred> ooh and it's under 500 lines!
[21:22] <thisfred> that I had not expected  :)
[21:24] <alecu> thisfred, coool!
[21:24] <alecu> thisfred, reviewing
[21:25] <thisfred> I even used a closure
[21:26] <alecu> dobey, hahahah
[21:33] <thisfred> alecu: no wait, I screwed that closure up, I think :)
[21:33] <thisfred> fixing
[21:34] <alecu> :-)
[21:39] <nessita> I'm gone, bye all!
[22:13] <thisfred> alecu, sry about that,  r850 is more stupid, and hence more likely to work ;)
[22:13] <alecu> cool
[22:14] <thisfred> alecu: there would only ever be one instance of the StatusFrontEnd right?
[22:14] <thisfred> the code won't break if there are more, but you would get multiple messages probably
[22:14] <alecu> thisfred, right. And I'm thinking it ended up being so thin that perhaps it should go away altogether.
[22:15] <thisfred> I made it a little fatter, but yeah we could fold it back into the aggregator
[22:15] <thisfred> fewer layers is always good
[22:15] <alecu> thisfred, oh, ok. Well, doesn't matter anyway... it's for some other time.
[22:16] <thisfred> yeah, should not be much work (and not much fatter, don't worry)
[22:16] <alecu> :-)
[22:16] <alecu> ok, reviewing it!
[22:18] <thisfred> exactly 500 lines of diff now. I rock :D
[22:23] <thisfred> and with that I'm EOEnergy, and so EOD
[22:25] <alecu> thisfred, great branch so far!
[22:30] <alecu> thisfred, perhaps _callback in StatusFrontend could be named more descriptively.
[22:31] <alecu> thisfred, also, I think that new_share_available should also pass _callback to messaging.show_message
[22:31] <alecu> thisfred, otherwise, great work.
[23:12] <thisfred> alecu thx will fix those, probably tomorrow morning
[23:18] <alecu> ok. byes!


[01:00] <fronk_> hey
[01:00] <fronk_> I got an issue, if anyone is able to assist me
[01:02] <fronk_> harro
[01:03] <pleia2> !ask
[01:04] <fronk_> I installed Xubuntu, but I'm getting my screen split in half. It's acting as if I have a dual monitor setup installed, where I need to move my mouse to the left side of the screen and past it to access the right side
[01:07] <fronk_> any ideas
[03:05] <kcj> How do I set the default keyboard layout?
[03:10] <kcj> -
[03:10] <kcj> j
[03:10] <kcj> Sorry.
[05:32] <syddraf> I just got my new Dell laptop and installed Xubuntu on it. When I install nvidia-current as my driver and run nvidia-xconfig, then restart X, X will not restart. I have to rm my xorg.conf file in order to get it to start back up again. Can anyone help me with this?
[05:37] <well_laid_lawn> syddraf: are things working ok without a xorg.conf ?
[05:37] <syddraf> well_laid_lawn: Yes, except that when I run minecraft, it has heavy artifacting.
[05:39] <syddraf> well_laid_lawn: http://i.imgur.com/d3T60.png
[05:40] <well_laid_lawn> syddraf: you can make a new xorg.conf but move it to your home dir and compare what it comes up with to what the X log says
[05:41] <well_laid_lawn> it's probably backingstore or something not enabled
[05:41] <syddraf> well_laid_lawn: I'm afraid I don't follow. Are you saying to run nvidia-xconfig, then move it to ~/, and startx?
[05:42] <well_laid_lawn> syddraf: I'm saying to compare the values nvidia-xconfig makes to what the X log uses and works - how you do it is up to you
[05:42] <well_laid_lawn> in X is easier imo
[05:43] <well_laid_lawn> nvidia-xconfig might be getting some value wrong
[05:59] <syddraf> well_laid_lawn: Apparently, it isn't recognizing any devices. http://paste.ubuntu.com/874101/ Any thoughts?
[06:00] <well_laid_lawn> syddraf: that's the X log when having the xorg.conf in place apparently
[06:01] <well_laid_lawn> that
[06:01] <well_laid_lawn> s why I suggested moving it
[06:02] <well_laid_lawn> and comparing a X log from a working session to what nvidia-xconfig comes up with
[06:03] <syddraf> I have all of them, I'm just not sure what to be comparing. My knowledge of X is rather limited
[06:12] <well_laid_lawn> first thing I'd check is what pci device nvidia-xconfig finds compared to X
[06:13] <well_laid_lawn>  40.942] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0)
[06:13] <Guest70915> hello!
[06:14] <well_laid_lawn> !hi
[07:30] <ktwo> hI, yesterday i had to force poweroff xubuntu, and now i cant login to user (returned to login mask after inserting the correct pwd. What can i do to restore the user's data? (was encrypted) now im logged on with another user i created
[08:07] <well_laid_lawn> ktwo: do you have an ICEauthority still in that users dir?
[08:08] <well_laid_lawn> ktwo: should be with a dot .ICEauthority
[08:08] <ktwo> the thing is i cant even access it
[08:08] <ktwo> when i browse home/myuser
[08:09] <ktwo> because it was encrypted, and the current user does not have the key i guess
[08:09] <well_laid_lawn> I thought this might work   sudo ls -a /home/otheruser | grep -i ice
[08:09] <TheMouldyMarsBar> It is.
[08:10] <TheMouldyMarsBar> Nobody is on #xubuntu-devel :(
[08:10] <well_laid_lawn> 36 ppl there
[08:11] <well_laid_lawn> prob sleeping atm
[08:12] <Unit193> Some are, but there was no question and just because it's not busy doesn't mean there isn't anyone there.
[09:19] <beata1> Couldn't sleep myself, tried to go on youtubeYour browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available.
[09:19] <beata1> Click here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video.
[09:19] <beata1> Ack..that was meant to have been formatted.
[09:22] <TheSheep> !mp3
[09:24] <beata1> But yeah some videos won't play. Clinking that link tells me that I have webm supported by firefox. I know they changed from flash to html5 but I'm still learning what that is. *and opens the links*
[09:40] <beata1> I read through those links and then searched for 'webm' amongst them and came up blank.
[09:45] <TheSheep> beata1: not all of yourube videos are webm, some are still flash, especially when they contain ads
[09:49] <beata1> That could indeed be the case; was able to play a related video. And I haven't spotted anything that would tell me what video format it is.
[09:50] <TheSheep> !flash
[09:51] <beata1> Ew, Flash. I thought they had got rid of it. *grumbles, but looks*
[09:53] <TheSheep> they actually got some deals with Adobe, so I doubt they will ever get rid of it
[09:57] <beata1> I seem to have another problem; the Terminal windows have gone unresponsive
[10:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> beata1, ctrl-shift-q
[10:02] <beata1> What is that meant to do?
[10:03] <WhereIsMySpoon> force quit the terminal
[10:03] <WhereIsMySpoon> if its locked
[10:11] <beata1> I'll try to remember that for next time; I switched to console and killall -11 xfce-terminal
[10:11] <beata1> And now I must power down.
[10:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> lol
[10:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> woops
[10:24] <ball> Is it practical to add LTSP to a Xubuntu machine after it has been installed?
[10:24] <ball> ...or does it require a reinstall?
[10:27] <TheSheep> nothing requires a reinstall
[10:37] <outlaw84> Hey, I installed my computer with UTF-8 but I would like to change to ISO-8859-1 how do I do this?
[10:43] <TheSheep> outlaw84: you can select the locale you want on your login screen
[10:43] <TheSheep> outlaw84: but utf8 is a good choice
[10:46] <ball> Doesn't the first page of UTF8 map to 8859-1 anyway?
[10:58] <TheSheep> the ascii part, the first 128 characters
[10:59] <ball> TheSheep: ...what about the second 128 characters?
[11:01] <outlaw84> while UTF-8 is nice, I really need to switch ti ISO-8859-1 due to communication with legacy systemes using ISO-8859-1, so does anyone know how to do that? :(
[11:02] <ball> outlaw84: Have you tried it?
[11:03] <ball> You may find it Just Works
[11:06] <TheSheep> outlaw84: I told you already, you can switch your locales at the login screen
[11:06] <TheSheep> outlaw84: also, if you are doing it through a terminal, you can switch locales in a single terminal session
[11:09] <outlaw84> TheSheep: I'll try that, thanks
[11:11] <TheSheep> outlaw84: make sure you installed the right locale in system->languages
[13:01] <outlaw84> quit
[13:10] <Witiko> Hello there!
[13:11] <Witiko> I have the following question - is there a command to open up the Application List found on the xfce-panel? I'd like to map it on a keystroke.
[14:06] <chlinux> hello just wandering if anyone knew how to set up automatic login in xubuntu
[14:14] <WhereIsMySpoon> chlinux, settings -> system -> login screen settings
[14:15] <chlinux> there is no login system under settings :(
[14:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> er sorry
[14:16] <chlinux> soz i mean system
[14:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> click the xubuntu button top left
[14:16] <chlinux> k
[14:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> system -> login screen
[14:17] <chlinux> ok under system there is no login screen
[14:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> o.o
[14:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> can you paste a screenshot of what you have when you access the system menu
[14:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> as in when you hover the mouse over system
[14:18] <chlinux> k
[14:18] <chlinux> soz i am quite new to this ::)
[14:21] <chlinux> here it iz
[14:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> hm that wasnt working
[14:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> upload it to imageshack or smth
[14:23] <chlinux> k 1 sec
[14:25] <chlinux> http://imageshack.us/f/542/screenshot0308201204205.png/
[14:25] <chlinux> :)
[14:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> hey hob
[14:27] <hobgoblin> o/
[14:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> chlinux, i dont know where your login screen option has gone, have a rummage for it
[14:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> look in all the menus
[14:28] <chlinux> i have
[14:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> oh wait
[14:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> type gdmsetup
[14:28] <chlinux> its driving me insane
[14:29] <chlinux> tried it and it comes back with "No command 'gdmsetup' found"
[14:30] <WhereIsMySpoon> oh
[14:30] <WhereIsMySpoon> you have a problem then
[14:30] <chlinux> hah
[14:30] <chlinux> :P
[14:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> find / -name gdmsetup
[14:31] <hobgoblin> lightdm unless it's an old one
[14:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> its prolly just not specified in your PATH
[14:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> hobgoblin, my xubuntu setup uses gdmsetup
[14:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> not lightdm
[14:33] <hobgoblin> mine hasn't since 11.10
[14:33] <hobgoblin> acn't remember 11.04
[14:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> im using 11.04
[14:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> chlinux, did typing lightdm work?
[14:34] <chlinux> might be because it says "Failed to use bus name org.freedesktop.DisplayManager, do you have appropriate p
[14:35] <chlinux> ermissions?
[14:35] <chlinux> :P
[14:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> sudo lightdm
[14:36] <chlinux> still same message
[14:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> o.o
[14:37] <hobgoblin> chlinux: are you trying to set up autologin?
[14:37] <chlinux> yep
[14:38] <hobgoblin> ok - in a terminal are you?
[14:38] <chlinux> yep
[14:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> you can edit the /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[14:38] <hobgoblin> that's the file ^^
[14:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> set default-user to your username
[14:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> and timeout to 0
[14:38] <chlinux> ill give it a go
[14:38] <hobgoblin> if oyu have that - ls /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[14:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> then sudo session lightdm restart
[14:38] <hobgoblin> chlinux: you want a screenie of mine?
[14:39] <chlinux> sure
[14:39] <chlinux> :)
[14:39] <hobgoblin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/874627/
[14:39] <hobgoblin> just use your name instead of hob and use whatever time you want
[14:40] <chlinux> thx
[14:51] <ChristopherNg> hello, i really need help please...very quick question
[14:52] <ChristopherNg> how do i use my built in camera on the laptop to take a picture?
[14:52] <ChristopherNg> do i need to get some program?
[14:52] <ChristopherNg> sudo apt-get install what?
[14:52] <Myrtti> I can't remember if there's anything installed by default, but I'd use cheese
[14:54] <chlinux> thx pll worked like a charm :)
[14:54] <hobgoblin> cool chlinux
[14:57] <GridCube> ChristopherNg: install cheese
[15:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> !find /usr/lib/cli/glib-sharp-2.0/libglibsharpglue-2.so
[15:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> hm
[15:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> ah
[15:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> hm, i got banshee throwing me an error
[15:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.DllNotFoundException: /usr/lib/cli/glib-sharp-2.0/libglibsharpglue-2.so
[15:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> tried to reinstall libglib2.0-cil
[15:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> didnt fix it
[15:23] <Adriannom> hi.  if i plug in a usb drive it appears in the sidebar of file manager for only a millisecond before disappearing again.  kern.log says "Attached SCSI removable disk", and shows no errors.  xubuntu 11.10.  any ideas?
[15:24] <TheSheep> Adriannom: what does lsusb say?
[15:24] <Adriannom> Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0781:a7a8 SanDisk Corp.
[15:25] <TheSheep> Adriannom: do you have any partition on that disk?
[15:25] <TheSheep> is it formatted?
[15:25] <nyrpnz> WhereIsMySpoon: looks like a known bug https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mono/2010-June/024016.html
[15:25] <Adriannom> sure, other usb drives behave the same way
[15:25] <Adriannom> it's formatted and contains data
[15:25] <Adriannom> other machines can access it
[15:26] <TheSheep> did you try a different port?
[15:26] <Adriannom> yup
[15:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok nyrpnz thanks
[15:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> RythmnBox works fine
[15:27] <nyrpnz> no problem, that is kind of odd...
[15:27] <nyrpnz> probably an error in the library somewhere
[15:27] <Adriannom> all ports in fact
[15:27] <Adriannom> back and front of the machine
[15:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> possibly, nyrpnz :)
[15:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> this works fine so no worries
[15:28] <Adriannom> TheSheep, oh and also it was working a few days ago
[15:29]  * TheSheep has no idea
[15:29] <Adriannom> thanks anyway
[15:30] <Adriannom> i could try to mount it manually maybe?  how would i do that?
[15:31] <Adriannom> sorry, that is a question for google
[15:34] <hobgoblin> Adriannom: you might find some useful information in syslog - try opening a terminal, running tail -f /var/log/syslog and then plug the thing in
[15:35] <Adriannom> cheers
[15:35] <hobgoblin> but other than that - no idea
[15:35] <Adriannom> mounting it manually works ok
[15:35] <Adriannom> so i guess it's something to do with whatever auto mounts usb stuff
[15:35] <Adriannom> syslog says same as kern.log
[15:35] <hobgoblin> try the tail thing then
[15:36] <Adriannom> says it's attached
[15:36] <hobgoblin> unmount it then have a look
[15:36] <Adriannom> No Caching mode page present, Assuming drive cache: write through, Attached SCSI removable disk
[15:36] <Adriannom> those lines appear when it's automounted
[15:37] <Adriannom> even though it goes away
[15:37] <Adriannom> no errors
[15:40] <Adriannom> hobgoblin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/874707/
[15:45] <hobgoblin> more or less what it says here
[15:46] <hobgoblin> no idea I'm afraid
[15:46] <Adriannom> here?
[15:46] <Adriannom> ah
[15:46] <Adriannom> i get ya
[15:46] <Adriannom> thanks for checking :)
[15:49] <hobgoblin> but you get no message from anything when they are missing from thunar?
[15:49] <Adriannom> nothing i've checked, dmesg, syslog, kern
[15:50] <hobgoblin> have you checked what thunar is set to do - edit - prefs - advanced - volume management
[15:50] <Adriannom> hobgoblin, know what xubuntu uses to automount?
[15:51] <hobgoblin> afraid not
[15:51] <Adriannom> mount is ticked, browse isn't
[15:52] <hobgoblin> tick browse
[15:52] <hobgoblin> both here
[15:52] <hobgoblin> though I do not allow them to show on desktop
[15:52] <Adriannom> yeah i remember unticking that
[15:52] <Adriannom> weird if that's it
[15:54] <Adriannom> not it :(
[15:54] <hobgoblin> k - no idea then - sorry
[15:54] <Adriannom> still appears for only a fraction of a second, and doesn't open up the folder
[15:54] <Adriannom> thanks anyway
[15:56] <carlo5> guys. im running a clean xubuntu install. now, i did 'apt-get install vlc-nox'.. however, when i run 'vlc', i get only the 'command line version' =/ what am i missing to get an actual gui? some qt/gtk framework(s) ? =o
[15:59] <hobgoblin> carlo5: vlc-nox is multimedia player and streamer (without X support) - try installing vlc
[15:59] <Adriannom> looks like a problem with xfdesktop
[16:00] <carlo5> hobgoblin: oh gosh. i feel like such an idiot. please disregard everything i just wrote ;D *walks away in shame*
[16:01] <hobgoblin> carlo5: unsurprisingly - a lot of us have done something similar - such is life :)
[16:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> i havent

[16:02] <hobgoblin> yet
[16:02] <carlo5> probably => i guess i was confused when i typed 'vlc' after fresh install and apt suggested the 'vlc-nox' package; not a buzz about the actual vlc package =i works a charm now anyways
[16:02]  * hobgoblin check logs for #xubuntu
[16:02] <hobgoblin> carlo5: cool
[16:02] <WhereIsMySpoon> hehe ^^
[16:03] <WhereIsMySpoon> im sure ive done such things a million times
[16:03] <WhereIsMySpoon> it happens
[16:04] <hobgoblin> :)
[18:22] <StevenR> Hi. How do I stop the update manager appearing? I still want to check for updates, but not show the X11 application for updating. I use the xubuntu box as a server/mythtv box, so I see the updates when I log in through ssh, but they overlay on top of the mythtv window, which is annoying
[18:25] <patafian> hi
[18:32] <patafian> beata1: Wszystkiego Najlepszego :)
[18:32] <patafian> anybody here? :)
[18:35] <holstein> StevenR: i would try turning that off in the startup applications
[18:36] <holstein> its in the menu somewhere... let me know if you cant find it... should be a check box, and then you dont get the startup manger autostarting
[18:37] <StevenR> holstein: yeah, found it. Thanks... but will that leave the underlying daemon that checks for updates running?
[18:37] <holstein> StevenR: i dont think so...
[18:37] <StevenR> (like I still want to motd to show that updates are pending when I login via ssh)
[18:37] <holstein> thats the way i usually do it, and then run sudo apt-get update or whatever on my own
[18:38] <StevenR> yeah, but I have icinga checking for updates
[18:38] <holstein> StevenR: you'll have to just try it and see... i think it wont be checking for updates
[18:38] <StevenR> :(
[18:38] <holstein> StevenR: thats the only way i have set it up though
[18:38] <holstein> you can literally do what you like
[18:39] <holstein> a script that run sudp apt-get update every so often would do it
[18:39] <patafian> installation done. bye
[18:40] <pleia2> I think something does still run to routinely look for updates (a long time ago I disabled the panel-level notifications, but it still shows me in terminal when I have updates, so update is being run)
[18:41] <pleia2> I don't remember how I disabled the panel thing though :\
[18:41] <holstein> yeah... i dont do auto updates on my server, and i get those messages
[18:53] <StevenR> holstein pleia2: seems that the way to do it is disable the startup app (the actual apt backend bit is a cron job). Thanks.
[18:54] <pleia2> StevenR: good to know! :)
[19:53] <arthurjohnson> Well, couldn't wait any longer for 12.04.  My laptop was pretty broken.  I installed 11.10, went off without a hitch except the wireless driver.  But a quick search of ubuntuforums fixed that.  It amazes me how fast you can be up and running, been working all day from it.
[20:00] <starn> in xubuntu i've noticed on my LCD monitor that i can see moving wave like things.. kinda like what you see when you record a monitor with a camera.. is this fixable? the refresh rate is at 60..
[20:04] <holstein> starn: messing with settings in a custom xorg.conf could help
[20:05] <starn> holstein: ok.. thanks.. man i hate editing xorg.conf.... often i break stuff lol
[20:06] <generalsnus> Ubuntu 11.10 : Is there a way to make OnBoard(onscreen keyb), automaticly popup when tapping a textfield? (Touchscreen)  Or is it any other virtual keyboards that can popup when needed?
[20:07] <starn> this probably isn't the place... but i got musictube for windows... (costs money) and i'm wondering if i am able to get the linux binary's without having to dish out more money.. i'll even take the freaken source code if i gotta.
[20:07] <holstein> starn: i would ask whoever maintains that project
[20:08] <holstein> generalsnus: are you talking about in XFCE? or unity in main ubuntu?
[20:08] <starn> holstein: alright i'll see if i can find away to contact him
[20:09] <generalsnus> well i would settle for anything.. just need it to popup when entering a text field
[20:09] <holstein> generalsnus: cool.. by "it" im assuming the on-screen keyboard... are you using xubuntu? XFCE ?
[20:09] <holstein> or are you using ubuntu 11.10? as your first comment indicates
[20:11] <generalsnus> holstein: by "it" i mean im willing to use whaterver desktop to get it working.. currently im using ubuntu with unity..  didnt get any reply in #ubuntu among all the spam :P
[20:13] <holstein> generalsnus: OK.. this channel is for xubuntu, and XFCE... i will point you back to the main #ubuntu channel with patience, or you can try #ubuntu-beginners, or the forums, or http://askubuntu.com/
[20:13] <holstein> i believe unity is likely to offer that since it is loosely tailored for touchscreens...
[20:15] <generalsnus> ok, thanks
[20:23] <starn> hey holstein is there any other progames like musictube? or just the one? i'm not to great at coding. or i'd make my own.
[20:24] <holstein> starn: what is it that you are trying to do?
[20:25] <holstein> theres an ubuntu version
[20:26] <holstein> i would just play the youtube video personally, or ask the content creator for a copy, or where to purchase a copy
[20:27] <starn> holstein: i know there's a ubuntu version but i already paid for windows.. lol i'm looking for free alternivtive  i emailed him just now.. i'm waiting. hoping to get some kinda discount for paying for windows copy.. but yeah.. i used to use youtube but this is more orginized and more like my media player.. guess i can see if he has source code up for download.
[20:27] <starn> i know minitube is free.
[20:28] <starn> holstein: also i have issue with youtube website hogging half my memory and CPU power.. and this program don't.
[20:28] <holstein> if you bought a licence, then you have whatever that agreement gives you
[20:28] <holstein> i bet it'll be no trouble
[20:29] <starn> holstein: true.. though i don't remember seeing a licence. haha! welp off to reading to see what it says if it has one
[20:29] <holstein> i dont go to youtube for my entertainment typically, so i cant say i have any suggestions other than just that one...
[20:30] <starn> holstein: ... i'm an idiot i can probably run in wine.. than again that kinda defeats the purpos of using less memory
[20:33] <starn> oh huh ok guess i'll use in wine.. for it uses less memory and CPU than xubuntu's update manager.
[21:04] <starn> huh i am having issue with nvidia controls and my monitors.. the brightness settings are not working anymore.
[21:24] <starn> holstein: !!! the guy replied! and gave me a link to download ubuntu version! super awesome
[21:25] <starn> wow.... 11.10 supports install of 32bit apps even though it's 64bit os???? please please please say yes
[21:28] <holstein> starn: there are32 and 64 bit versions, depends on which you have installed
[21:30] <starn> holstein:what if there is only a 32bit version of the app?
[21:30] <holstein> starn: then i would install the 32bit version of ubuntu
[21:31] <starn> ugh.... i already have it luckly on a nother hard drive...
[21:31] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit#How_to_Make_32-bit_Applications_Work_on_a_64-bit_Operating_System
[21:33] <starn> wow that made me slightly confused i dunno if i should be happy or sad.
[21:36] <holstein> there are 2 machines i run 64bit versions of ubuntu on.. one is my audio production machine, the other is a server
[21:36] <holstein> otherwise, i see little advantage typically for the average desktop machine to be running 64bit... desktop or laptop
[21:37] <GridCube> tho, in theory multiarch should allow for 32bit packages to be installed on 64bit machines, i don't know if multiarch is part of 11.10 tho
[21:37] <starn> holstein: this sadly isn't an avg machine.... well i guess to some it is. i play games that are 64bit support only..
[21:38] <GridCube> games? windows games?
[21:38] <holstein> starn: then, you can chroot, or you can look into mutliarch
[21:38] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec
[21:38] <holstein> you can ask the project maintainer for 64bit support
[21:40] <starn> apparently multiarch already installed.
[21:40] <GridCube> then it should work
[21:41] <GridCube> i do remark the *should*
[21:41] <starn> it's asking for libphonon but i already have.. lol guess it needs the 32bit one.. this would probably be easier to just reboot into the other hard drive
[21:46] <holstein> or chroot, since i know that works... or look for a PPA for multiarch
[22:06] <starn> i have issue with chroot..   $ schroot -l
[22:07] <starn> E: /etc/schroot/chroot.d/hardy_i386.conf: line 0: Invalid line: “ [hardy_i386]”  is the error i get... sorry for multi post :\ computer acting up
[22:07] <holstein> dont you just want to listen inthe browser ? ;)
[22:08] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebootstrapChroot
[22:09] <starn> holstein: i like fact this works almost excatly like my favorite media player even has lyrics and i can disable the fact it shows videos with lowers the demand on resources.  and that's what i am looking at right now
[22:09] <holstein> starn: yeah, i know... convinience.. im just wondering when the scale tips for you
[22:10] <starn> holstein: i am a determined person.. one time i spent a week configuring multi monitor..
[22:10] <holstein> well, i have little projects im still messing about with after years actually ;)
[22:11] <starn> holstein: yeah i followed the instruction on the debootstrap to the teeth and it gives me the error i showed.
[22:11] <holstein> i have a 32 bit application that i would *like* to run on my 64bit 10.04 install, but i just get another machine and get things done :)
[22:12] <holstein> starn: i was thinking about the part that says...
[22:12] <holstein> Note: if you copy this example to your clipboard, be careful to start each line in column 1 before you save the new file! If you forget, the command schroot -l will fail with an error, e.g. E: /etc/schroot/chroot.d/hardy_i386.conf: line 0: Invalid line: “  [hardy_i386]”.
[22:12] <starn> holstein: if i cannot get this working i have half in mind to get my old desktop and fix her up
[22:12] <holstein> which is exactly your error AFAIK
[22:13] <starn> holstein: yeah i manually typed all of it.. by "column 1" what does it mean??
[22:13] <holstein> not sure, but id say, you have it the wrong way
[22:14] <starn> well i think i fixed that error now i get another error.. ugh
[22:14] <starn> says "[hardy_i386]: required key 'directory' is missing"  sooo i assume something is missing.
[22:49] <ThePendulum> I accidentely removed the trash folder from my hard drives and now the trash bin obviously won't work
[22:49] <ThePendulum> How do I restore it?
[22:53] <GridCube> ThePendulum, they are automagically created each time you boot
[22:53] <ThePendulum> Hmpf, strange
[22:54] <ThePendulum> I booted quite a few times now
[23:17] <starn> holstein: i got it to work... honestly i have no clue how.
[23:19] <starn> holstein: nvm..... it kinda works kinda don't.. i get in debug window "phonon backend plugin could not be loaded" so it won't play


[08:08] <gnrp> hm, anyone having a proposal? I want to tile a window half of the screen, but centered.
[08:08] <gnrp> I figured maybe I will just use some shell script for that, or ist ehre an xfce-internal command to do so?
[08:57] <brainwash> gnrp: you'll need a script
[09:05] <gnrp> brainwash: Ok, good, then, I'll do that. Thought there might be a cleaner way
[09:05] <gnrp> thanks
[20:33] <gabrielmartins> hello, I would like to know what is the best antivirus for xubuntu.
[20:35] <coconut> gabrielmartins, most do not use one... but it is clamav if i am right.
[20:38] <gabrielmartins> why not use antivirus
[20:39] <coconut> because linux and packages are safe when there are not many services running, while running scans is no fun.
[20:41] <gabrielmartins> ok
[20:43] <Maik> gabrielmartins: https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/security.html#ID1.1
[20:43] <coconut> gabrielmartins, and there are things like rkhunter, firewalls(gufw if you are new) and selinux too if you like.
[20:45] <coconut> thanks for the link Maik :)
[20:45] <Maik> yw :)
[20:53] <gnrp> gabrielmartins: In addition to the article from Maik... the main protection you have with a desktop Linux is obscurity.  BBut that's being worked on, although slow
[20:58] <gabrielmartins> friend I can not update rkhunter.
[20:59] <gnrp> it is funny. There are lots of different attempts at security by different distributions or OSs. But in the end they are all too obscure anyway to really evaluate its usefulness
[20:59] <gabrielmartins> invalid web cmd
[20:59] <gnrp> gabrielmartins: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RKhunter
[21:00] <gnrp> ups, sorry, wrong link
[21:00] <gnrp> https://kifarunix.com/how-to-install-rkhunter-rootkit-hunter-on-ubuntu-18-04/ seems more appropriate. Anyway, google 'rkhunter ubuntu' will bring up a lot of results (most of mine are in German, thus no sense in sending)
[21:21] <gabrielmartins> friends, i wish i could record ubuntu distro image. i like xubuntu but i like ubuntu. I'm actually getting to know the system now. i am a windows user.
[21:23] <gnrp> gabrielmartins: What do you mean by "record ubuntu distro image"?
[21:24] <gnrp> ah, if you are referring to me saying something about ubuntu... in this case, the difference between xubuntu and ubuntu does not matter. The system is the same, you can apply the same things you read about ubuntu for rkhunter also for xubuntu
[21:25] <gabrielmartins> I try to record and the app doesn't work.
[21:25] <Maik> stop cross posting by the way and keep support related questions in this channel, not -offtopic
[21:27] <gabrielmartins> ok thanks for the information
[21:27] <Maik> not the first time we ask to do so :)
[21:27] <Maik> gabrielmartins: what's your native language?
[21:28] <gabrielmartins> português brasil
[21:30] <Maik> maybe it's better for you to join a channel where they speak your language so you can express yourself better..? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[21:31] <gnrp> !br
[21:31] <Maik> gnrp: thanks
[21:37] <gnrp> Maik: That bot is really nice once you understood the basic usage^^
[21:38] <Maik> i know some but forgot about !br
[21:38] <Maik> :)
[21:39] <JackFrost> It's still best to actually talk to a user when possible, rather than just hitting up factoids.
[21:41] <gnrp> JackFrost: No doubt. But when there is a channel or some information considering a country or lagnauge, that is nice
[21:41] <gnrp> replace lasagne by language...


[22:51] <TJ-> TiZ: Ahhh, it was MBR with an ESP? that's funky :)
[22:52] <TJ-> TiZ: EFI requires GPT, which requires an ESP (fat16/32 FS  ~256MB)
[22:52] <TiZ> TJ- Huh. Well, in any case, I can't afford to change the partition table because there is some pretty important data sitting in /home. Namely, my Win7 VM.
[22:53] <TJ-> TiZ: if the installer boots in EFI mode, it'll install as EFI... if it boots with CSM (compatibility support module) it'll do MBR boot on either MBR or GPT disk
[22:53] <jay__> am i able to dual boot windows on my linux with a windows recovery disc?
[22:53] <TJ-> TiZ: can you "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda | pastebinit" ?
[22:54] <TiZ> TJ- I explicitly booted up in legacy mode; using the boot menu gives me a choice between the two.
[22:54] <TiZ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7918510
[22:54] <TiZ> TJ- ^
[22:56] <TJ-> TiZ: that looks correct to me, not sure why gparted would complain
[22:57] <TiZ> TJ- Gparted didn't complain
[22:57] <TiZ> The ubuntu installer didn't complain either
[22:57] <TiZ> But the sizes were wrong and it couldn't detect what was in the first partition.
[22:58] <Player_> Hi, when I run sudo apt-get update it checks the translation servers for 'en' and 'en_US' four times, and sometimes it hangs on the fourth.  Is there a way I can make it only check these once or is there a good reason it's doing this?
[22:58] <TJ-> TiZ: that wouldn't surprise me if there was a pseudo-ESP partition in sda1
[22:58] <TiZ> Alright, well, installation done. knocking on wood and crossing fingers.
[22:59] <TiZ> Knocking on wood while crossing fingers.
[22:59] <TiZ> Ow. Don't knock on wood *with* crossed fingers.
[22:59] <TiZ> Well shit, it's coming up now.
[22:59] <TiZ> Huh.
[22:59] <TiZ> Oh, sorry for the language.
[23:00] <Player_> ..and flooding. ;P
[23:00] <TiZ> Yes, that too. ^.^;;
[23:01] <mastercaster> Hi, I have installed a program (gnu cobol) in version 1.0 and now 2.0. When I execute the program cobc (the compiler) it is still using the old one in /usr/bin instead of the new one that is installed to /usr/local/bin
[23:01] <mastercaster> how do I tell bash where to find the file?
[23:03] <TJ-> mastercaster: usually the user PATH has "/usr/local/bin" before "/usr/bin/" ... which user and shell is executing the compiler?
[23:03] <TJ-> master_: "which cobc" will show the default when no explicit path is given
[23:04] <TJ-> mastercaster: "which cobc" will show the default when no explicit path is given
[23:04] <TiZ> Well, now to run my post-install script and fix anything that messes up. TJ-, thank you very much. You deserve a medal, sir.
[23:04] <Player_> I guess nobody saw my question?  when I run sudo apt-get update it checks the translation servers for 'en' and 'en_US' four times, and sometimes it hangs on the fourth.  Is there a way I can make it only check these once or is there a good reason it's doing this?
[23:05] <TJ-> TiZ: you're welcome... I'd love to figure out what you did to that thing!
[23:05] <mastercaster> I am using myself as the user (not root), using bash
[23:05] <mastercaster> I have removed the old compiler
[23:05] <TiZ> TJ- I'm not sure I want to know, actually. :P
[23:06] <mastercaster> now when I use which cobc it finds the currently only installed compiler just fine
[23:06] <TJ-> mastercaster: what happens when you call "cobc" with its absolute path ("/usr/local/bin/cobc") ?
[23:06] <mastercaster> it works
[23:06] <TJ-> mastercaster: Then your bash PATH has been changed... what is ("echo $PATH" ) ?
[23:06] <TiZ> I booted the USB in EFI mode. Added an ESP, tried to install. It didn't work. Then I booted in legacy mode and installed from there. And then we spent all that time wracking our brains.  :P
[23:07] <mastercaster> my nick is referring to a very nice guitar
[23:07] <mastercaster> google it ;)
[23:08] <mastercaster> anyways, is there not a way to simply reassign the path bash should look for a file, here the compiler?
[23:08] <mastercaster> I know that it searches $PATH
[23:08] <TJ-> mastercaster: I've already told you twice o.O
[23:08] <mastercaster> but the new directory /usr/local/bin is in there as well
[23:08] <TJ-> mastercaster: show us what "echo $PATH" reports
[23:09] <mastercaster> ok sorry, didnt see that
[23:09] <mastercaster> /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[23:09] <mastercaster> /usr/local/bin is the correct path
[23:10] <mastercaster> or directory I should say
[23:11] <TJ-> mastercaster: so "/usr/local/bin" is before "/usr/bin/" - I don't see how "which cobc" would report "/usr/bin/cobc" in that case, unless the "/usr/local/bin/cobc" isn't executable
[23:12] <TiZ> Did you uninstall the system version, install the local version, try to compile all within the same terminal session?
[23:12] <TJ-> mastercaster: what does "cobc --version" and "/usr/local/bin/cobc --version" report ?
[23:14] <mastercaster> cobc --version gives an error (file not found, because it is looking in /usr/bin/cobc, that is where my first installation (v1.0) used to be, before I deleted it. The one with the abs. path returns the cobc compiler v2.0 the one I installed later
[23:14] <mastercaster> file /usr/local/bin/cobc says it is  a 64bin executable
[23:14] <mastercaster> i had both cobc installed at one point
[23:14] <TJ-> mastercaster: "cobc --version" should be picking the "/usr/local/bin/cobc" since "/usr/local/bin/" is first in the PATH
[23:15] <TiZ> mastercaster: if you uninstalled /usr/bin/cobc, installed /usr/local/bin/cobc, and tried to compile all within the same terminal session, you need to restart your terminal.
[23:15] <mastercaster> ok i will restart the session that could be it
[23:15] <TiZ> I don't know why this works, but it has worked for me before.
[23:15] <TJ-> mastercaster: does " ls -l /usr/bin/cobc" show it as a sym-link to /etc/alternatives/
[23:15] <mastercaster> TiZ, congratulations
[23:15] <mastercaster> that did it
[23:15] <mastercaster> :)
[23:16] <TiZ> Yay! I just paid it forward! :D
[23:16] <mastercaster> thanks TJ-  and TiZ for your help
[23:16] <TJ-> TiZ: how the heck can that happen!?
[23:16] <TiZ> TJ- I don't know why bash gets stubborn about where it thinks something is, but it does.
[23:16] <mastercaster> well it seems starting a new terminal session reads the env variables in once again
[23:16] <TJ-> TiZ: I'm going to try that now!
[23:17] <mastercaster> forgetting "old" files
[23:17] <TiZ> "cobc is in /usr/bin! I JUST saw it there! Don't try to tell me that it's in /usr/local/bin! You're crazy!" -- how I think of bash in this scenario.
[23:17] <TJ-> TiZ: mastercaster: The only way that might happen is if the compiler sets/changes some envvars and doesn't clear them
[23:18] <AZUREstrand> irc.anthrochat.net
[23:18] <mastercaster> I dont remember how I installed v.1 of cobc. But just installing v2 I used ./configure and sudo make install
[23:18] <TiZ> I've had it happen on non-compiler apps too.
[23:18] <mastercaster> it was written in the README
[23:18] <mastercaster> I was following instructions there
[23:19] <TiZ> I guess for some reason bash caches the locations of things it looks up in PATH so it doesn't have to again?
[23:19] <TiZ> That is my semi-educated guess.
[23:19] <mastercaster> I am not too unix savvy to understand what is happening here.. but I am glad you guys found the solution
[23:19] <mastercaster> TiZ, my guess too
[23:19] <mastercaster> TiZ, it explains why a simple session restart did the magic
[23:20] <Guest23651> I am having problems running blender. I get this error: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[23:20] <Guest23651> when I run glxinfo
[23:24] <TJ-> mastercaster: there's some terribly basic compiler warnings during the build
[23:25] <TJ-> mastercaster: reproduced it ... now to discover why :)
[23:25] <lritter> oh god. i totally missed the end of life for 12.10 and now i'm a little stuck. how do i upgrade from here?
[23:26] <rww> !eolupgrade
[23:26] <lritter> thanks <3
[23:27] <Beldar> lritter, You can eol upgrade however it is through two other eol's and it will take time, you might consider backing up what you need and doing a fresh install of 14.04 that has 5 years support.
[23:28] <lritter> Beldar, i'll try the hard way; if it messes up i can still do the long road
[23:29] <TJ-> mastercaster: TiZ: here we go. To check what paths bash has cached "type cobc", and to clear it "hash -d cobc"
[23:29] <Beldar> lritter, I would consider the long road the upgrades but do waht works. ;)
[23:29] <rww> Beldar: only one other EOL. 12.10 -> 13.10 is supported. Since 13.10 is now EOL, 12.10 to 14.04 might even be, not sure
[23:29]  * rww considers spinning up a VM and testing it
[23:30] <lritter> Beldar, as said, if it messes up, i can still go the other way; but i don't have a great way to backup right now.
[23:30] <Beldar> rww, 13.04 to 13.10 is two other eol's
[23:30] <lritter> one can go directly from 12.10 to 13.10
[23:30] <lritter> i checked
[23:31] <Beldar> Have not seen that but if so cool
[23:45] <guzzi_jones> i am trying to copy from md1 to md0.  these are software raid1 partitions
[23:45] <guzzi_jones> i have copied all the data and preserved permissions
[23:46] <guzzi_jones> i edited fstab and adjusted the UUID
[23:46] <guzzi_jones> on the new raid drive
[23:46] <guzzi_jones> i also tried to to update grub but it will not boot to the other partition.
[23:46] <guzzi_jones> how do i change my mbr to boot to the new parition?
[23:47] <TJ-> guzzi_jones: which metadata version did you use for md1 ?
[23:48] <guzzi_jones> how do i get that?
[23:48] <TJ-> guzzi_jones: if these are supposed to be bootable, then you can only use versions up to and including 1.0 ... 1.1 and 1.2 store metadata at the *start* of the array, and therefore are not bootable but firmware
[23:49] <guzzi_jones> this was not originally a bootable partition.  it was originally a swap partiion
[23:50] <guzzi_jones> so how do i get the metadata version of md1 for you?
[23:50] <TJ-> guzzi_jones: "mdadm --detail /dev/mdX" I think
[23:52] <guzzi_jones> md1 is version 1.2
[23:52] <guzzi_jones> that is my current bootable raid device
[23:52] <guzzi_jones> i am trying to move to md0 which used to be a swap drive
[23:58] <TJ-> guzzi_jones: Is md1 a whole-disk including a partition table, or are the underlying devices partitions
[23:59] <zacwalls> hay guys
[23:59] <zacwalls> i have a question.


[06:59] <theblazehen> nlsthzn you wanted to see my zsh, right? https://asciinema.org/a/2mc1k5cv43uj5yrh5b11f6ebx
[08:23] <nlsthzn> well it wasn't me theblazehen I just mentioned I had used fish before :) but it looks sweet
[08:24] <theblazehen> nlsthzn ty. May have been nsnzero then
[08:40] <theblazehen> maaz tell nsnzero https://asciinema.org/a/2mc1k5cv43uj5yrh5b11f6ebx zsh
[08:40] <Maaz> theblazehen: Okay, I'll tell nsnzero on freenode
[10:31]  * theblazehen wishes there was some kind of abstraction between code and how it's viewed. Basically like having a reverse lexer? That way people don't have to worry about tabs vs spaces, how many spaces per level of indentation, K&R style vs Allman style braces, etc.
[10:31] <theblazehen> Lexing would be the right stepp in the process, right? Or would it be at the parsing level?
[10:34] <MaNI> if everyone followed some or other standard 100% that would be possible - and already is - but the problem comes in that there are always edge cases where the styling standard doesn't make sense, and then people want to deviate from it, and that part then gets lost when auto formatting
[10:35] <theblazehen> MaNI got examples?
[10:35] <theblazehen> How would the golang people handle it? Since they use gofmt etc
[10:36] <MaNI> I can't comment on golang, but for C++ there is e.g. clang-format
[10:37]  * theblazehen is referring to example edge cases
[10:37] <MaNI> it is perfectly possible to set git or svn up to automatically do `clang-format <someorotherorganisationspec>` on all commits, and to do `clang-format <coderspersonalpreference>` on checkouts
[10:38] <theblazehen> I guess
[10:39] <theblazehen> https://i.imgur.com/wG51k7v.png :(
[10:39] <MaNI> well, lets say comments are always a single space, followed by a '//' followed by a space, and then text - maybe 95% of the comments are like this, but somewhere in my code there is bound to be a place where it is desired for the comments at the end of multiple different lines to line up with one another - so a different number of spaces at the start
[10:40] <theblazehen> Ah, yes. That's a good case. Forgot that not everything in the source is code
[10:41] <theblazehen> I like how TempleOS does the seperation of code and documentation
[10:42] <theblazehen> The OS is by a crazy guy, but I like how HolyC handles documentation, embedded data (eg sprites) etc
[10:42] <theblazehen> http://theblazehen.com/templeos.vdi 1024x512 try it with an older virtualbox version or something. It used to work
[10:45] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[10:45] <pavlushka> a hey theblazehen :p
[10:45] <theblazehen> hi pavlushka
[10:46] <pavlushka> theblazehen: you haven't used ssl for your site I see :p
[10:46] <MaNI> wow, thats one disturbing wikipedia article
[10:47] <theblazehen> pavlushka yeah, that's on my old server. Still migrating to home where my reverse proxy does ssl
[10:48] <pavlushka> aha
[10:49] <pavlushka> hey chesedo :)
[10:57] <theblazehen> linx.home.theblazehen.com <- with SSL with my reverse proxy pavlushka
[10:57] <pavlushka> chesedo: where's your re-verification application?
[10:58] <pavlushka> got it
[11:01] <nlsthzn> removed myself as ubuntu member from the page :/ oh well onward and upward and all that shenanigans...
[11:25] <pavlushka> is it a bad line "even if you had a bad day at work, join #ubuntu-za on IRC and they might even cheer you up :). " ?
[11:26] <nlsthzn> *they will cheer you up ;)
[11:28] <pavlushka> nlsthzn: ha ha ha, yes, that's correct :)
[11:37] <nlsthzn> you have failed me for the last time Unity 7.blablabla
[11:37] <nlsthzn> grrrr
[11:38]  * nlsthzn goes and wrangles a geeko
[13:00] <andrewlsd> I've added a bit from me for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2016
[13:02]  * andrewlsd goes away again for a bit.
[13:15] <MaNL> does anybody here use snaps ( http://snapcraft.io/ ) - just wanted to gauge the average linux users opinion on them. Would you be okay if some package you wanted only came in snap form, or do you expect to also have it in the main repo? Do you like the idea of snaps or hate it? etc.
[13:18] <andrewlsd> MaNI: I use some snaps
[13:18] <andrewlsd> I prefer repo for "stable" apps
[13:18] <andrewlsd> and 'snap' for dev/testing stuff.
[13:18] <andrewlsd> because then I don't have to install tons of dev/incompatible shared libraries.
[13:19] <andrewlsd> obviously, snaps have a size overhead, which can hurt those on slow/limited_cap connections
[13:20] <andrewlsd> the idea of using snaps to update parts in _embedded systems_ looks very good.  (again, snap app size needs to somehow be dealt with as many embedded devices have very limited storage)
[13:21] <andrewlsd> current snaps installed:
[13:21] <andrewlsd> anatine ; canonical-livepatch ; lnks ; qownnotes ; toilet ; ubuntu-core ; vlc
[13:22] <andrewlsd> MaNI: if doing "Electron" apps, check out AppImage.    (nice for native apps too.)
[13:22] <andrewlsd> AppImage are portable apps, and work on pretty much any distro.
[13:22] <andrewlsd> but... they don't have the sandbox protection of snaps or FlatPack
[13:23] <andrewlsd> after checking out Appimage.org, have a look at https://dl.bintray.com/probono/AppImages/ for some ready-to-use  .AppImage software.
[13:24] <andrewlsd> ... following on on the dev/testing via snap:  I like it for ease of total removal.
[13:24] <andrewlsd> s/it/snaps/
[13:25] <andrewlsd> so I think of snaps as "local-only" application containers.
[13:25] <andrewlsd> hope that helps MaNI
[13:29] <MaNI> I'm thinking about it from this viewpoint
[13:34] <MaNL> stable internet would be fantastic
[13:38] <MaNI> 1) I'm maintaining a cross platform app that the linux version of currently just ships as a zip file with some binaries in
[13:38] <MaNI> 2) People seem to be confused about how to install this, ideally it would be nice if they could just install it through a package manager or something
[13:39] <MaNI> 3) I don't really have the time or energy to deal with trying to get into an actual package manager, plus probably extra grief because debian may not like the licensing, plus I want to support a lot of other distros
[13:39] <MaNI> so I'm wondering if putting up a snap is a good way around that (works on multiple distros) or if most users have never run into snaps and won't know what to do with them
[13:41] <MaNI> I could also do some kind of .run style thing I guess - but people never seem to have been fans of those, wondering if it's similar with snaps or if people are a bit more receptive of those
[13:42] <andrewlsd> MaNI: AppImage is probably the right way for you then.
[13:43] <andrewlsd> no "install", just double-click to run.
[13:43] <andrewlsd> AppImage does have a mechanism for creating .Desktop files, so that the gui shell (gnome/kde/unity) will have application launchers
[13:44] <andrewlsd> benefit of snaps: updates are possible
[13:44] <andrewlsd> drawback: only usable by default on Ubuntu. Any other distros would require the user to first manually install the snap framework
[13:45] <andrewlsd> benefit of AppImage: truly portable Linux app.
[13:45] <theblazehen> Or just put it in docker /s
[13:45] <andrewlsd> drawback: no internal update framework. Update app by downloading and replacing it.
[13:45] <andrewlsd> docker not so much fun for GUI app.
[13:45] <andrewlsd> but true
[13:46] <andrewlsd> MaNI: is it a GUI app?
[13:46] <MaNI> yes
[13:46] <theblazehen> andrewlsd How easy it to to build appimage etc? /me created a .desktop entry to run acrobat reader in docker etc
[13:46] <andrewlsd> another benefit of AppImage, no root privileges required.  Snap currently requires root, since it really installs
[13:46] <MaNI> docker, gross
[13:46] <andrewlsd> AppImage is easy to build. has IDE hooks too.
[13:46] <theblazehen> andrewlsd hmm. Might check it out
[13:46] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: AppImage.org
[13:47] <andrewlsd> and MaNI: https://github.com/probonopd/AppImageKit/blob/master/README.md
[13:48] <theblazehen> andrewlsd and do you need to build anything specially for it? Eg acrobat reader isn't open source
[13:48] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: "An AppImage is an ISO 9660 file with zisofs compression containing a minimal AppDir (a directory that contains the app and all the files that it requires to run which are not part of the targeted base operating systems) and a tiny runtime executable embedded into its header. Hence, an AppImage is both an ISO 9660 file (that you can mount and examine) and an ELF executable (that you can execute)."
[13:48] <MaNI> app image, somewhat interesting, though unless users are familiar with it, it doesn't solve the whole "where do I put it" question
[13:49] <andrewlsd> ~/Downloads
[13:49] <theblazehen> andrewlsd cool
[13:49] <andrewlsd> MaNI: but true. but to solve "where do I put it" requires root.
[13:49] <MaNI> yeah - but what I mean is there will be a constant bombardment of people asking where it should go - it's the number 1 asked question for the current scheme (tar with binaries in)
[13:49] <andrewlsd> in which case, snap or flatpack may help.
[13:50] <andrewlsd> MaNI: and could be solved by a "FAQ"
[13:50] <MaNI> haha, users that read that would be a first
[13:50] <andrewlsd> tru dat
[13:50] <MaNI> something like snap handles that part, but then it's an issue for distros where they first have to install snap system
[13:50] <MaNI> hrm
[13:50] <andrewlsd> are your end users "enterprise" environment, or home end-users.
[13:51] <MaNI> home end-users
[13:51] <andrewlsd> If you want multi-distro, then AppImage.
[13:51] <andrewlsd> ... otherwise you'll have to still build .rpm .deb or .snap  for each supported distribution
[13:52] <andrewlsd> check out the "Appimage updater" too.
[13:52] <MaNI> okay
[13:53] <MaNI> thanks will have a look
[13:53] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: https://github.com/probonopd/AppImages  for recipes for bundling real-world apps
[13:53] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: check if you can put Acrobat Reader into one of those. would be fantastic.
[13:57] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: I see AcroReader is a 32-bit app. Not sure how AppImage would handle that.
[13:58] <theblazehen> andrewlsd sure. You can see the docker in our salt if you like
[13:59] <andrewlsd> yeah, am looking at it
[14:05] <andrewlsd> going to try get all the required libs via: `lxc launch ubuntu:x/i386 xenial386`
[14:08] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: https://github.com/mciverza/docker-acroread
[14:11] <theblazehen> andrewlsd that's where I grabbed it from iirc
[14:12] <andrewlsd> not sure how far I'll get since it's 32-bit. so a docker/lxc might remain the best option.
[14:12] <andrewlsd> ^ pretty nice use-case.
[14:13] <andrewlsd> ie, install some crappy, unmaintained application without drastically compromising  your system
[14:14] <andrewlsd> so far: 69% of image retrieved by `lxc launch ubuntu:x/i386 xenial386`
[14:14] <andrewlsd> maybe I should do this on Digital Ocean.
[14:17]  * andrewlsd heads away from here for a few hours
[16:09] <qwebirc5465> HELP
[17:03] <nsnzero> good evening all
[17:07] <Kilos> hi nsnzero
[17:07] <Kilos> hi everyone else as well too
[17:07] <Kilos> what a long day
[17:07] <nsnzero> hi Kilos , how are you ?
[17:07] <Kilos> from 5 am till now travelling and sitting at hospital
[17:07] <Kilos> im ok ty and you
[17:08] <Kilos> got a ton of meds
[17:08] <Kilos> might be like a goofball for a moth
[17:08] <Kilos> month
[17:11] <nsnzero> thats medication - fix 1 problem create 2 more
[17:14] <nsnzero> theblazehen: awesome zsh theme = i am impressed
[17:29] <Kilos> hi inetpro superfly MaNI theblazehen Xethron
[17:31] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:33] <nsnzero> superfly
[17:33] <superfly> sup nsnzero
[17:35] <nsnzero> trying to copy theblazehen zsh config
[18:32] <Kilos> superfly can you and paddatrapper put a few links to debconf in https://trello.com/c/nW7ephrM/118-need-list-of-all-activities-held-in-last-two-years-under-the-flag-of-ubuntu-za
[18:33] <Kilos> plese
[18:33] <Kilos> under list of all activities
[18:33] <Kilos> please as well
[18:34] <theblazehen> hi Kilos. nsnzero ty :) http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/zshrc.ext just remove the unapplicable bits etc
[18:34] <Kilos> sjoe 71 blazehens
[18:34] <Kilos> can start a chicken coop soon
[18:35] <theblazehen> Kilos sorry?
[18:36] <Kilos> theblazehen71 here more
[18:36] <theblazehen> Ah. Right. Other irc bouncer
[18:36] <Kilos> so 71 plus you is 72 of them hens
[18:36] <theblazehen> heh
[18:36] <Kilos> aw they left
[18:36] <theblazehen> heh
[18:37] <paddatrapper> Kilos: will do
[18:39] <Kilos> ty paddatrapper
[18:40] <Kilos> and maybe something saying fly is leaving south africa the next day but never ubuntu-za
[18:40] <Kilos> oh thats for you to say superfly
[19:07] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[19:07] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[19:07] <Kilos> id like to say good morning before i say night
[19:37] <Kilos> night all, sleep tigh
[19:37] <Kilos> tighter than that