[12:00] <handsome_b> has anybody in here installed hoary, and configured a pppoe connection?  I'm about to try and would like to know if it's simple or a nightmare
[12:00] <DemonTears> anyne konw how to get linux logs on desktop background pls
[12:00] <handsome_b> DemonTears: gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org
[12:02] <DemonTears> handsome_b: thx
[12:03] <handsome_b> anyone?  opinions on setting up pppoe?
[12:03] <handsome_b> DemonTears: np
[12:03] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: or use root-tail
[12:04] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: dunno how to use it
[12:05] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: do u know the sample command
[12:05] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: haven't used it for a while, but it's similar to tail
[12:06] <thoreauputic> like tail -f to have updating logs
[12:07] <thoreauputic> have you tried root-tail -f /path/to/logfile ?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> also in gnome, it probably won't show, as the desktop isn't the root window
[12:09] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: i'll test it
[12:09] <_phate_> does anyone have the Hoary Preview? If would you send me your sources.list, I screwed up mine so I need the default
[12:10] <Nermal> _phate_: http://nermal.org/misc/sources.list
[12:11] <Nermal> last 3 lines I added
[12:11] <jboyens> is there any way to get Flash fonts to work correctly WITHOUT install msttcorefonts? I'd like to be able to use fontconfig to substitute a font for the MS font Flash wants.
[12:12] <_phate_> Nermal, thx!
[12:13] <aldarsior> what's the keyboard shortcut for switching desktops in gnome?
[12:13] <Nermal> set them up under keyboard shortcuts
[12:13] <geppy> aldarsior: CTRL-ALT-arroy
[12:13] <geppy> *arrow
[12:14] <aldarsior> thanks :-)
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if any standard atapi drives would work fine in ubuntu?
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> dumb question but wanted check still
[12:15] <Nermal> sure
[12:15] <Nermal> its more the ide controller
[12:15] <Nermal> but they are usually fine
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> ah ok ty
[12:16] <aldarsior> black_Nightmare: do you mean for burning?
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> well..do you know about backward compactibility?  this is udma/33 on the motherboard I think
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> like could I use an ATA100 hd here?
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> aldar..nah just the drive itself
[12:17] <aldarsior> black_Nightmare: then you're asking if ATA has backwards compatibility. and the answer is Yes.
[12:17] <black_Nightmare> well it was two questions anyhow....ty still :p
[12:19] <michael_> hi all.. i'm trying to get my sound to work.. but it simply won't.. any help would be appreciated.. when i run the hoary live cd i get sound, and when i run the installed version of hoary i don't get sound
[12:19] <geppy> michael_: Do you have the sound system muted?
[12:19] <geppy> michael_: if you
[12:19] <michael_> geppy: negative
[12:20] <geppy> michael_: if you 'apt-get install aumix', you can check to make sure that it's not
[12:20] <geppy> michael_:  Sure?  The mixers like to mute themselves.
[12:20] <mjr> well, the gnome mixer that's installed by default should do too...
[12:20] <michael_> well i get Errors when i run anything that plays audio
[12:21] <mjr> that's a driver problem, probably, then
[12:21] <geppy> mjr:  GNOME-mixer allows things to get "locked" such that you can't modify them. =/
[12:21] <geppy> michael_: What kind of errors?
[12:21] <michael_> geppy: for example when i try running Volume Meter i get the error "cannot connect to sound daemon. please run 'esd' at a command prompt
[12:21] <mjr> or your user isn't in audio group
[12:21] <geppy> mjr:  He has an SBLive, I don't see why.
[12:21] <mjr> depends on the errors, really
[12:21] <geppy> michael_: Try running esd
[12:21] <mjr> geppy, righto, I have one too and it works fine :)
[12:21] <michael_> esd returns "/dev/dsp: no such device"
[12:22] <geppy> mjr:  As do I. =)
[12:22] <geppy> michael_:  ls /dev | grep snd
[12:22] <michael_> snd
[12:22] <michael_> sndstats
[12:22] <michael_> sndstat i mean
[12:22] <michael_> snd and sndstat
[12:22] <geppy> michael_: Then, there is a /dev/snd
[12:22] <geppy> michael_: You probably aren't in the audio group, like mjr mentioned.
[12:22] <mjr> could the OSS emulation layer be missing for some reason...
[12:22] <geppy> mjr: ESD uses OSS =P
[12:23] <michael_> so how do i fix this then
[12:23] <geppy> michael_:  Well, open up the users and groups GUI, and make sure you're in the audio group. =)
[12:23] <mjr> geppy, yes, and if trying to use /dev/dsp yields "no such device", well...
[12:23] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: I just tested that command in fluxbox, and it worked fine - gnome is using an overly of the root window, so nothing shows
[12:23] <geppy> mjr: Then it can't read it due to permissions, I think. =)
[12:23] <thoreauputic> *overlay
[12:23] <aldarsior> hmmm...
[12:24] <geppy> michael_: users-admin
[12:24] <madel> hi there
[12:24] <mjr> michael_, you can also do a quick check by running "id" in a prompt, but for fixing, use the admin tool mentioned
[12:24] <aldarsior> I just installed Mysql and some associated things, and towards the end of the download it told me to insert the install cd and would not proceed without it...
[12:24] <madel> why don't I find the /dev/lp files?
[12:24] <aldarsior> Is there a way to disable that?
[12:24] <michael_> hmm
[12:24] <michael_> groups=4(adm)
[12:25] <michael_> is listed from the id command
[12:25] <michael_> oh
[12:25] <michael_> oops
[12:25] <michael_> yeah it lists 29(audio) as a group
[12:25] <geppy> aldarsior: Did you install via apt?
[12:25] <michael_> in that list, when i do the ID command
[12:25] <aldarsior> geppy: yep
[12:25] <geppy> aldarsior: Odd, what were the other apps?
[12:25] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: so no chance with the gnome
[12:25] <mjr> michael_, well, that's not a problem then; what's ls -l /dev/dsp say?
[12:25] <geppy> michael_:  You need to be in "29(audio)"
[12:26] <geppy> oh
[12:26] <aldarsior> phpmyadmin (depended on apache) mysql server mysql client and various dependancies
[12:26] <michael_> crw-rw----  1 root audio 14
[12:26] <aldarsior> so all of php, all of apache, mysql client, mysql server, and everything that those depend on
[12:26] <mjr> michael_, this is getting weird
[12:26] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: there's probably a way of redirecting output to the gnome desktop - if you can identify the window it uses - I don't know
[12:27] <michael_> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-03-23 18:15 /dev/dsp
[12:27] <mjr> michael_, does cat /dev/sndstat show your card?
[12:27] <Zugot> anyone here have a laptop that displays at 1280x800?
[12:27] <michael_> yes
[12:27] <Zugot> i need to find some modelines i believe
[12:27] <mjr> michael_, well, I'm running out of things that could be wrong then
[12:27] <michael_> three audio devices
[12:27] <mjr> three?
[12:27] <jeanjean> Zugot: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:28] <mjr> list them please
[12:28] <michael_> USB Audio Bt87x Digital and EMU10K1 (duplex)
[12:28] <Zugot> jeanjean, it isn't that easy... i need find the ModeLine to stick in xorg.conf first
[12:28] <Zugot> jeanjean, and you also assumed i was running xorg...
[12:28] <Zugot> i could be running xfree86
[12:28] <mjr> michael_, it may be that /dev/dsp tries and fails to use one of the other sound devices
[12:29] <michael_> so are you suggesting i should find a way to disable the other sound devices
[12:29] <jeanjean> Zugot: close X and try "X -config"
[12:29] <thoreauputic> heh - sound juicer with mp3 enabled rips at 250 kb/sec by default and can't be adjusted... stupid :(
[12:30] <geppy> thoreauputic: That's why I use GRIP. =)
[12:30] <mjr> michael_, that shouldn't be necessary, but I don't know how to change the order, which would be a less destructive way to go about it
[12:30] <michael_> mjr: keep in mind that my audio works when i run the LiveCD, but fails when i use my installed version of ubuntu... maybe there are some ways you could tell me to compare the settings in both to determine what the problem is?
[12:30] <andrewski> thoreauputic: yeah, that simple interface only works to a point. :/
[12:30] <thoreauputic> geppy: yeah, me too - I just thought I'd try it with the gstreame lame plugin to see what happened
[12:30] <geppy> thoreauputic: Ah, yeah.
[12:30] <geppy> Unfortunately, GRIP sucks on Ubuntu.
[12:31] <geppy> Has anyone else had serious issues with it?
[12:31] <Nikopol> yep
[12:31] <Nikopol> the id3 sucks
[12:31] <geppy> I have to perform certain rituals to get it to perform.
[12:31] <Nikopol> geppy: if you use musicplayer with it, it won't put the tracks in the correct order
[12:31] <thoreauputic> geppy: works OK here - I just pointed it at /dev/hdc from memory
[12:31] <geppy> Not just that, it tends to hang (and refuse to die, or have another instance opened) if you don't hold it just right.
[12:31] <DemonTears> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[12:32] <DemonTears> je dois installer quel package pour remedier ca
[12:32] <Nikopol> DemonTears: g++ j e pense
[12:32] <geneo93> musicmatch at one time had nice linux offering
[12:32] <geppy> thoreauputic:  If it doesn't have focus when I start the rip, it crashes.  (i.e. I move mouse focus to the dialog, which shows up half way across the bloody screen)
[12:32] <michael_> mjr: keep in mind that my audio works when i run the LiveCD, but fails when i use my installed version of ubuntu... maybe there are some ways you could tell me to compare the settings in both to determine what the problem is?
[12:32] <Nikopol> DemonTears: essaie voir
[12:32] <ells> i just installed a new hardrive along with the old,how can i see where it is and where to mount it
[12:32] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:33] <geppy> thoreauputic: And it crashes if I change the ID3 info and don't save and reopen
[12:33] <ells> anyone know how
[12:33] <DemonTears> configure: error: Can't find Python.h! You will need the python development package
[12:33] <geppy> thoreauputic: As well as various other things;  if I insert a CD when it's open, it crashes (and I have to reboot to kill it)
[12:34] <DemonTears> j'ai ca
[12:34] <ells> any takers
[12:34] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: j'insatlle tous le python ?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> geppy: hmmm.... dunno - I mainly use ogg anyway so .... I tried ripperx which also works ( less configurable, of course)
[12:35] <madel> anyone could help me seting up a local paralel printer with ubuntu?
[12:35] <Zugot> is this the official ubuntu support irc place?
[12:35] <Zugot> or are there more?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: j'sais pas ce que tu veux faire
[12:35] <RupertSw> madel, are you using CUPS?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: english here for preference, mon ami ;)
[12:35] <geppy> thoreauputic:  Yeah, I've recently switched to FLAC, so I guess SoundJuicer would work for me, now, minus certain things like Vorbis comment configuration.
[12:35] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: je compile le gdesklet
[12:36] <madel> RupertSw, i think so, the default with ubuntu...
[12:36] <mjr> michael_, yah, sorry, can't help, except to point at trying to change the order of the sound devices as I said (or, in panic, disabling them via /etc/hotplug/blacklist)
[12:36] <ells> tritium: what is up mike
[12:36] <ells> tritium: I just put the new drive in
[12:36] <RupertSw> madel, Probably the easiest is to point browser @ localhost:601
[12:36] <tritium> Hi ells
[12:36] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: pourqoi? C'est dans les repositories
[12:36] <michael_> mjr: okay thank you
[12:36] <michael_> mjr: i will try that
[12:37] <DemonTears> thoreauputic ca marche poa
[12:37] <ells> tritium: do you think you could help me get this thing mounted and formatted properly
[12:37] <Desolate> hello
[12:37] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: j'ai ca
[12:37] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[12:37] <DemonTears>   self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning)
[12:37] <tritium> ells, perhaps a little later this evening
[12:37] <RupertSw> madel, Any luck?
[12:37] <madel> RupertSw, do you mean  localhost:601?
[12:37] <ells> tritium: cool will catch you after school tonight
[12:37] <Desolate> got a bit of an issue, was wondering if anyone could assist me? I just installed ubuntu, everything went fine, but then when I start it, it looks absolutely awful (http://demonfire.breathingwater.com/ubuntu_crappy.jpg)
[12:38] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: sorry, no idea then
[12:38] <tritium> ells, you have class this evening?
[12:38] <RupertSw> madel, Yep. A cups demon should be running there, I think. Is it?
[12:38] <ells> tritium: until about 11 Mike
[12:38] <ells> tritium: it is cool
[12:38] <madel> localhost:631
[12:38] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: ok thx
[12:38] <madel> RupertSw, Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing.
[12:39] <tritium> ells, if I'm awake when you get back ;)
[12:39] <ells> tritium: I am sure you will be,  ha ha
[12:39] <RupertSw> madel, Hmm. You could try gnome-cups-manager or whatever it's called, which is there then!
[12:39] <tritium> ells, probably :)
[12:39] <madel> RupertSw, and when I try to use that printer manager, It only alows me to configure a USB printer
[12:40] <ells> tritium: Mike, I could always reinstall, ,ha ha (inside joke)
[12:40] <tritium> heh
[12:40] <garrut> hi, anyone here got experience with setting up a dns server for a local network?
[12:40] <ells> tritium: it is all goo Mike
[12:40] <RupertSw> madel, If I run it as root, and click add printer, I can choose "Parallel Port" near the bottom of the dlg.
[12:41] <tritium> RupertSw, is your user in the "lpadmin" group?
[12:41] <madel> RupertSw, are you using ubuntu?
[12:42] <Desolate> I installed linux on Virtual PC, everything went/looked fine, but when I start it, it looks like this: http://demonfire.breathingwater.com/ubuntu_crappy.jpg
[12:42] <RupertSw> madel, Yes
[12:42] <RupertSw> madel, It wouldn't su automatically for me though for some reason, so I had to run it actually as root with su from the terminal
[12:42] <RupertSw> madel, gnome-cups-manager, btw
[12:42] <atj> has anyone set up nfs or samba w/ ubuntu?
[12:42] <tritium> RupertSw, root account is disabled by default, as is documented.
[12:42] <madel> atj, to see another windows box, or to be seen?
[12:43] <RupertSw> tritium, sorry: sudo gnome-cups-manager, then.
[12:43] <tritium> RupertSw, is your user in the lpadmin group, though?
[12:43] <RupertSw> tritium, I got irritated and re-enabled it.
[12:43] <atj> madel: to be seen by a mac (or anything really)
[12:43] <RupertSw> tritium, Why should it have to be? I'm running it with _sudo_ - so as root.
[12:44] <RupertSw> tritium, Just checked: no I'm not
[12:44] <tritium> RupertSw, you say when you run it as root, you _can_ add it right, but not as normal user?
[12:44] <madel> RupertSw, nope...  a only see USB printers...
[12:45] <RupertSw> tritium, I have _no_ problem! Adding a printer I would need to be admin, but as it's my flipping computer, I just sudoed to get the privileges rather than farting around with the groups for what is a one-off op.
[12:46] <RupertSw> madel, Hmm.. we're using the same program, presumably. Same version? What are you running exactly?
[12:46] <ells> tritium: thru qtparted I think I got it, what should I make its mount point be
[12:46] <tritium> ells, that's entirely up to you
[12:46] <RupertSw> madel, I think I'm on 0.30
[12:46] <ells> tritium: it is showing up as hdb?
[12:47] <ells> tritium: should I make it primary or extended
[12:47] <tritium> ells, I thought it was usb drive?
[12:47] <madel> RupertSw, I' m using a just installed hoary, nothing changed...
[12:47] <ells> tritium: naw, hard drive (ide)
[12:47] <geppy> Something's wrong with the Ubuntu hardware database.
[12:47] <geppy> I can't connect to the server.
[12:47] <geppy> And I can't e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:48] <tritium> ells, the whole thing is for linux?  you can make one big primary partition
[12:48] <RupertSw> madel, Sorry. could you run 'gnome-cups-manager --version' please? It would help if I knew we were looking at the same screen... :-)
[12:48] <atj> anyone using ubuntu as a file server
[12:48] <ells> cool, yeah, the whold 120 gig is for linux, all for linux
[12:48] <mylesbraithwaite> yes
[12:48] <ells> should i make it primary then
[12:48] <madel> Gnome gnome-printer-view 0.30
[12:48] <tritium> sure
[12:48] <madel> RupertSw, I don't even have a /dev/lp file
[12:48] <ells> tritium: and of course format
[12:49] <tritium> ells, yep
[12:49] <atj> myles, nfs, samba or other?
[12:49] <RupertSw> madel, Hmm.. I do.  Seems modprobe inotify doesn't work.
[12:50] <RupertSw> madel, I've got one, but if I get rid of it I still see the same in the CUPS manager - is that the parallel port dev anyway?
[12:51] <geneo93> SeeleyUSMC:  python
[12:51] <RupertSw> madel, Can I check: when you run the manager, do you get a screen with a 'New Printer' icon, looking lots like a windows control panel?
[12:52] <madel> RupertSw, yes....
[12:52] <RupertSw> madel, And when you click on New Printer, you get a sort of wizard dlg, right?
[12:52] <madel> yes...
[12:53] <RupertSw> madel, With 4 radio buttons?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> SeeleyUSMC: I would start with writing bash scripts,ten look at python
[12:53] <madel> RupertSw, yes....   local printer, network printer,  user a detected printer, user another printer by specifyung a port
[12:53] <RupertSw> madel, So you say 'specify a port' and get the drop-down combo box
[12:54] <madel> RupertSw, yes.. and I only see USB  printer #1, #2...  #16
[12:54] <thoreauputic> SeeleyUSMC: if you want to have some simple GUI things happening with bash scripts, install Xdialog or use zenity
[12:55] <RupertSw> madel, Hmmm... You could try 'mknod /dev/lp0 c 6 0' as root, which will give you that device. I notice I haven't got lp1 and only 'see' 1 parallel port, so maybe that is what's needed?
[12:56] <thoreauputic> SeeleyUSMC: the documentation for Xdialog is excellent :  /usr/share/doc/xdialog/html
[12:56] <irbdavid> question; if i d/l ubuntu, will kubuntu essentially come with it? or will the aptget not come off the CD?
[12:56] <RupertSw> madel, And then you'd need to restart CUPS at the least: 'sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart'
[12:56] <apokryphos> irbdavid: nope, it won't.
[12:57] <apokryphos> irbdavid: apt-get will come with it.
[12:57] <codyman> hmm... http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/03/23/1820243.shtml?tid=163&tid=90&tid=106 whats up
[12:57] <mjr> codyman, slashdot jumping the gun is up
[12:57] <thoreauputic> irbdavid: kubuntu is a seoarate CD, but sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will install it
[12:57] <thoreauputic> not from the CD though
[12:57] <mjr> codyman, Perens isn't buying it, apparently
[12:57] <RupertSw> madel, And if that doesn't work, I'm really sorry, because I reckon that's about the limit of my knowledge...
[12:57] <irbdavid> cool beans
[12:57] <RupertSw> :)
[12:58] <irbdavid> other than that the difference between the two is just the desktop and the apps that come with it?
[12:58] <madel> RupertSw, what does " mknod /dev/lp0 c 6 0"   mean?
[12:58] <apokryphos> irbdavid: Pretty much, yes. It's all Ubuntu.
[12:58] <RupertSw> madel, It'll create your device for you
[12:59] <geneo93> there is a seperate kubunt iso at http://kambing.vlsm.org/bebas/ISO/
[12:59] <irbdavid> kay, thanks guys
[12:59] <RupertSw> madel, And for normal use, you need to also do 'chgrp lp /dev/lp0', which is probably needed for CUPS to use it.
[01:00] <madel> RupertSw, lp or lpadmin  ?
[01:01] <andril> has anyone installed MPlayer?
[01:01] <andril> or have a link?
[01:01] <RupertSw> madel, Mine says lp, presumably so that anyone can print, it's just changing the spooler/drivers etc. which needs special priveleges?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> andril: I installed it - but I recommend xine-ui
[01:02] <thoreauputic> andril: and look at ubuntuguide.org for a howto on installing win codecs etc
[01:02] <ian> anyone successfully switch from ACPI to APM?
[01:02] <madel> RupertSw,    crw-r--r--  1 root lp 6, 0 2005-03-24 05:56 /dev/lp0   <-- this is the way it looks yours?
[01:03] <andril> not Media Player - just MPlayer for linux
[01:03] <D3v> Im haveing trouble installing ubuntu. when it gos to install base system it gets up to the kernel and says  initrd-tools error then it aborts? how can i fix this?
[01:03] <andril> do you have a link for Xine-UI
[01:03] <RupertSw> madel, Yes.
[01:03] <RupertSw> andril, You could try the repository at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[01:03] <akurashy> do gnome have a cd burner program?
[01:03] <madel> RupertSw, nop I still see only  USB printers
[01:03] <thoreauputic> andril: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:03] <greebo> hi all
[01:03] <apokryphos> akurashy: gnomebaker
[01:04] <thoreauputic> andril: you need to set up your synaptic repositories
[01:04] <RupertSw> madel, Sorry - I really have no idea. Anyone else??
[01:05] <ian> akurashy: also Nautilus can burn CDs directly.  right click an ISO to burn it or do Ctrl-L in Nautilus and type in burn://
[01:05] <greebo> does anyone know how to get IR working on Ubuntu Warty? Do I need to upgrade to Hoary for this?
[01:05] <greebo> TongMaster, heya
[01:05] <ian> akurashy: drag/drop files there then File/Write to disc
[01:05] <akurashy> ian: can i drag and drop into the cd?
[01:05] <akurashy> kk
[01:05] <thoreauputic> andril: xine-ui is in the universe repository - you need to look at those other links as well
[01:06] <ian> it's pretty slick, but I'm not sure how people are supposed to find it :)
[01:06] <TongMaster> heya greebo \
[01:06] <RupertSw> madel, Oh: try 'lsmod' I've got a 'parport' module installed. Do you?
[01:06] <RupertSw> madel, And an lp one as well.
[01:07] <SoRcEtTa> how can I umount my cd , while a script inside it is running ?
[01:07] <madel> RupertSw, a parport_pc and a parport
[01:07] <geneo93> RupertSw:  maybe he need to turn off pnp in bios
[01:07] <madel> RupertSw, and a lp too
[01:07] <RupertSw> geneo93, Mine's on, so far as I know.
[01:08] <RupertSw> madel, What happens if you 'cat /dev/lp0' ?
[01:08] <geneo93> mines off
[01:08] <jnoon> when i do apt-get dist-upgrade it wants to remove ubuntu-base.  im assuming thats a very bad sign correct?
[01:08] <madel> RupertSw, cat some_txt_file > /dev/lp0??  or cat /dev/lp0?
[01:09] <geneo93> jnoon:  it will get replaced
[01:09] <RupertSw> madel, If there's a driver connected, you should get probably a 'Input/output error' message
[01:09] <RupertSw> madel, The latter
[01:09] <RupertSw> madel, Although either would probably work.
[01:09] <greebo> jnoon, from memory, ubuntu-base is a "nothing" package that simply depends on a lot of stuff, making installing a working base easy for the initial installation. I don't think removing that package itself is a problem but I could be wrong
[01:10] <jnoon> geneo93, there is no ubuntu-base that it says is going to be installed though?
[01:10] <jnoon> oh... ok
[01:10] <jnoon> geneo93 *  greebo
[01:10] <jnoon> sorry
[01:10] <madel> RupertSw, cat: /dev/lp0: No such device or address
[01:10] <jnoon> err, confused :)
[01:10] <RupertSw> madel, That means that there's nothing listening to it.
[01:10] <geneo93> jnoon:  just do it
[01:10] <RupertSw> madel, In the dark again, I'm afraid...
[01:11] <greebo> anyone know about IR in ubuntu?
[01:11] <geneo93> i'll be fine
[01:11] <madel> RupertSw, hmm...
[01:11] <jnoon> geneo93, how sure are you? :)
[01:11] <geneo93> done it many times here
[01:12] <jnoon> lol...  alllllright...
[01:13] <geneo93> jnoon:  ubuntu-desktop replaces a lot of stuff
[01:13] <robtaylor> hmm, w32codecs have gone from multiverse, right?
[01:14] <tritium> robtaylor, not in multiverse.  They're in marillat's repo
[01:14] <jnoon> geneo93, will be back to tell you how this went... hopefully ;)
[01:14] <robtaylor> tritium: ok, thought they used to be in multi, i must have been imagining it =)
[01:15] <ice_1963> =)
[01:16] <larsrohdin> join /fluxbox
[01:16] <larsrohdin> sorry... how do i do that?
[01:16] <^thehatsrule^> O.o fluxbox channel?
[01:16] <^thehatsrule^> /join #fluxbox
[01:16] <^thehatsrule^> ?
[01:16] <robtaylor> larsrohdin: /join #fluxbox
[01:16] <larsrohdin> thank yo=)
[01:16] <D3v> Im trying to install kubuntu and it says this when i get to base system install.. Unable to install initrd-tools ?? how can i fix this????
[01:16] <RupertSw> madel, Been looking through parport.txt in /usr/src/linux.
[01:17] <RupertSw> madel, It suggests looking at  /proc/sys/dev/parport/.
[01:17] <RupertSw> ?
[01:17] <andril> is there a MP3 to OGG converter avail?
[01:17] <CarlK_> D3v - just got that error too
[01:17] <mjr> andril, there are scripts to do that (google mp32ogg), but that reduces sound quality
[01:18] <thoreauputic> andril: i think audacity can do that
[01:18] <D3v> CarlK_  =((
[01:18] <thoreauputic> andril: with the right mp3 support
[01:18] <CarlK_> D3v - pretty sure this is the problem: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8123
[01:18] <CarlK_> reported and fixed today
[01:18] <thoreauputic> andril: I suggest you also install mpg123
[01:18] <thoreauputic> and sox
[01:18] <ice_1963> right now gnome is better =)
[01:19] <ice_1963> then kde lol
[01:20] <thoreauputic> ice_1963: matter of taste, old boy ;)
[01:20] <crymsan> well, I finally got ubuntu booted, turns out the cdrom drive woulnd't boot it, but it would boot debian, changed the drive and off I go
[01:21] <black_Nightmare> back
[01:21] <black_Nightmare> was afk for a while
[01:21] <andril> Thanks guys - I keep getting errors upon "sudo dpkg" - so i guess I need Win around after all
[01:21] <D3v> CarlK_  so you think its my disks?
[01:22] <madel> RupertSw, I have there a folder called default
[01:22] <madel> and 2 files in it.... spintime and timeslice
[01:22] <ice_1963> synaptic is better kynaptic
[01:22] <CarlK_> D3v - I didn't have that problem yesterday, but my .iso may have been a few days old
[01:22] <andril> Thanks again
[01:22] <thoreauputic> andril:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[01:22] <RupertSw> madel, Yeah. I've also got a parport0 folder with loads of stuff about my actual existing parallel port.
[01:23] <ice_1963> gnome is more stable
[01:23] <CarlK_> D3v - does your Alt-F3 console show the same thing I posted to bugzilla just now?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> andril: don't use dpkg directly, use the GUI and make life easier on yourself
[01:23] <madel> RupertSw, I don't have any partport0
[01:23] <black_Nightmare> any of you got any comments on this case? :p http://www.pccyber.ca/scrItem.asp?product_subtypes_id=20&product_types_id=5&product_id=4210
[01:24] <ian> has anyone seen talk of an "Ubuntu Update Manager" but for installs instead of updates?  in other words, a super easy to use program for installing new software, with screenshots etc.
[01:25] <D3v> CarlK_ hold up let me check
[01:25] <RupertSw> madel, Presumably not, because something isn't looking for it. I'm sorry - I've never had any problems here before. You appear to have the correct device nodes (as far as I know) and the right modules. As I'm not _that_ knowledgeable about the parallel port on linux, which is currently not seen by your machine, I think I have to give up. Good luck!
[01:26] <geneo93> ian:  how much easyer can synaotic
[01:26] <andril> thoreauputic: all I have to do is add another repository with Uni/Multi verse
[01:26] <black_Nightmare> say....do any of you know if ubuntu has or can emulate an terminal session just like under windows 2K
[01:26] <geneo93> synaptic be
[01:26] <ian> geneo93: a lot
[01:27] <caffinated> ian: i fail to see how.
[01:27] <mjr> black_Nightmare, umm, gnome-terminal?
[01:27] <caffinated> syntaptic is so easy it makes easy look hard ;)
[01:27] <thoreauputic> andril: yes, add those - but for win32 codecs you need others - all on the wiki page and ubuntuguide.org
[01:27] <ian> would you guys sit your mom down in front of synaptic?
[01:27] <geneo93> ian:  synaptic is very simple
[01:27] <caffinated> ian: in a second, without hesitation.
[01:28] <black_Nightmare> mjr...hmm ok here's a tuff question > are these rj45>DB9 adapters actually only for ethernet-consoled network stuffs or not quite so?
[01:28] <andril> wil this harm the system during updates?
[01:28] <greebo> can anyone at least point me to some documentation about getting IR working in ubuntu? I've tried looking through the ubuntu forums, and can't get it working
[01:28] <geneo93> why not its so simple
[01:28] <thoreauputic> andril: I had better luck with xine-ui than mplayer - your mileage may vary , as they say :)
[01:28] <ian> geneo93: saying the same thing over and over doesn't help :)
[01:29] <D3v> CarlK_ No mines way different, says gpg: No valid user IDS  Gpg: this may be caused by missing self -signatrue ?  htf do i fix that
[01:29] <ben0ne> hi all
[01:29] <caffinated> ian: what part do you find hard?  and what do you think will fix it?
[01:29] <will> hi
[01:29] <Markrian> Are there going to be many changes between Ubuntu Preview and the Final release?
[01:29] <ben0ne> is there a tomcat "port" to ubuntu ?
[01:29] <ben0ne> ...hoary
[01:29] <mjr> black_Nightmare, so you probably mean a serial terminal; for that, minicom, and those adapters are probably just converters for uncommon physical serial ports
[01:29] <geneo93> ian:  if you cant use synaptic u should n't use computer
[01:29] <andril> installing xine-ui now
[01:30] <black_Nightmare> mjr...hm ty I was wondering anyhow
[01:30] <caffinated> ian: sorry, that was a little badly phrased.  i should say, what do you think *other* users would find hard about it.
[01:30] <andril> but what's ggod for audio (mp3) or must i convert
[01:30] <ian> geneo93: you're always rude, I'm done talking to you
[01:30] <CarlK_> D3v - do you have a web server box handy?
[01:30] <mjr> andril, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:31] <D3v> CarlK_ yes
[01:31] <D3v> its a windows box
[01:31] <CarlK_> yer in luk
[01:31] <thoreauputic> andril: if you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed , mp3 will play in the music player
[01:31] <andril> well xine-ui played them
[01:31] <thoreauputic> andril: yes xine will play them too
[01:32] <thoreauputic> andril: in fact xine will play just about anything with the right codecs
[01:32] <ice_1963> xine is better then mplayer =)
[01:32] <mjr> yah, but I'd really rather play my music with Rhythmbox :)
[01:32] <caffinated> ian: not that i'm saying you're wrong or anything;  i'm just curious to hear your argument.
[01:33] <ian> caffinated: right.  it's not for *me* as a software developer, but for people who have never used computers before (much of the world) and for basic non-techie folks who only know "put in CD, click Yes".  a few things that scream to me as being too complicated (for them) in synaptic: "Reload" (should happen once in a while or be hidden away.  "Reload WHAT?").  "Mark All Upgrades" of course would be left to the upgrade manager.  no need for "A
[01:33] <thoreauputic> andril: there are other mp3 players - beep-media-player for instance or xmms
[01:33] <ian> hehe sorry for the length
[01:33] <black_Nightmare> ian :p
[01:33] <caffinated> heh
[01:33] <ice_1963> ok
[01:33] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  what about .mkv  have you tried that
[01:33] <andril> well that's all I need
[01:33] <andril> thoreauputic: thanks so much
[01:34] <thoreauputic> geneo93: no I haven't any .mkv files
[01:34] <ian> caffinated: also, it wouldn't show all the packages, just the *applications*.  most users don't want to do package management
[01:34] <caffinated> ian: so, you want something that further limits choices to make it a no-brainer kind of installation
[01:34] <thoreauputic> andril: no worries
[01:34] <CarlK_> D3v - hmm, well.. I had some notes on the wiki, but now I cant find them
[01:34] <ian> caffinated: exactly.  the technology is there (.debs are fantastic!), I just want to say "here are 100 great applications, here's what they look like, click Install to try it"
[01:34] <caffinated> ian: i can agree with hiding the developer stuff.
[01:35] <CarlK_> D3v - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ - search for something about a damaged CD
[01:35] <caffinated> ian: it might be worth even having a default 'user' mode for synaptic.
[01:35] <thoreauputic> ian: what you describe is like lindows click-n-run - I guess a ui like that would be a nice addition'
[01:35] <caffinated> ian: see, i don't know if replacing synaptic is a good idea.  but having a simplified mode might be.
[01:36] <ian> thoreauputic: yeah. only not Lindows. :)
[01:36] <ice_1963> for get synaptic us apt-get
[01:36] <EricNeon> morning all~
[01:36] <thoreauputic> ian: exactly :)
[01:36] <CarlK_> D3v http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveryFromBadInstallCD
[01:36] <caffinated> ian: kinda like, nero burning rom on windows.  it starts out in a 'novice' mode, but can easily be swicthed over to a 'power user' mode.
[01:36] <ian> caffinated: oh no-- keep synaptic around.  in fact with .deb there's no reason to not have many different front ends
[01:37] <caffinated> ian: might be an interesting suggestion for the synaptic maintainer
[01:37] <[bn] ennoia> You could have bunches of things too
[01:37] <thoreauputic> ian: there *could* be a "simple" package manager, with an "advanced" button to pop up synaptic
[01:37] <[bn] ennoia> like a "wireless" package, that installs all the things needed for a good wireless experience :o
[01:37] <ian> caffinated: but the default should be the easy one.  so yeah, either synaptic could have two modes or ... yeah what thoreauputic just said
[01:37] <[bn] ennoia> A user might know they have wireless, but not know which peices of software they need to make it all work
[01:37] <pvh> ian: You might be interested in http://klik.atekon.de/
[01:37] <mjr> hmm, so you mean like add/remove applications with the advanced button running synaptic? ;)
[01:38] <ian> mjr: you mean from windows?
[01:38] <mjr> I mean from Hoary
[01:38] <mjr> oh, sorry, add/remove programs
[01:38] <ian> what is "add/remove programs"?
[01:38] <ian> is that the gnome-app-install thing?
[01:38] <mjr> yah
[01:38] <ian> then yes, but not just for the basic gnome software
[01:39] <ian> for all good end-user software
[01:39] <mjr> righto
[01:39] <black_Nightmare> does ubuntu support raid? (especially from Promise)
[01:39] <ian> mjr: do you have a URL for that btw?
[01:39] <mjr> (hm, there _is_ emacs in the list, but not much other non-gnome programs ;)
[01:39] <AgentQ> anyone know how i can get my resolution higher than 1024x768?
[01:39] <mjr> nah
[01:40] <ian> pvh: yeah I saw that recently-- it's along the right track, but I'd hate to get users into the habit of clicking in web browsers to install software.  so dangerous :)
[01:40] <thoreauputic> mjr: I feel it would be less confusing to new users if the install mechanism was explained on first startup of the installed system
[01:40] <pvh> gnome-app-install is nifty, but it definitely needs some work.
[01:40] <[bn] ennoia> you could ask a bunch of questions too, friendly questions, and determine what default software to install  based on their answeres
[01:40] <ian> thoreauputic: how about an Install New Software link on the desktop?
[01:41] <ian> thoreauputic: or similarly obvious place
[01:41] <pvh> like, maybe it would be good if you could find out ANYTHING about the application you're installing
[01:41] <D3v> CarlK_ is i386 for p4?
[01:41] <_b> Synaptic's great.
[01:41] <adamjohnson> anyone know where to find my machine's ip addy on my homoe network?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> ian: yes, good idea - on the panel with a tooltip perhaps
[01:42] <CarlK_> D3v - i3 will work, i6 would be 'better'
[01:42] <geneo93> D3v:  yes
[01:42] <D3v> CarlK_ lol  well i got amd u think thats my problem?
[01:42] <ehertlein> adamjohnson: try ifconfig in a terminal
[01:43] <geneo93> D3v:  k7
[01:43] <CarlK_> D3v - du no - I would think it would puke on cd boot if it wasn't going to work
[01:43] <adamjohnson> ehertlein: just type ifconfig in a term window and it'll output ip addy info or is there more to it, sorry i'm new at this...
[01:43] <ian> pvh: is there a webpage for it?  are you running it?
[01:44] <geneo93> dv3 its just a kernel thing the rest is compiled for your machine
[01:44] <D3v> geneo93 i guess its a 2600??
[01:44] <PacoBCN> My pc loves DVDs, love them so much it doesn't want to eject them and I'm forced to execute the eject command.
[01:44] <ehertlein> adamjohnson: correct it will tell you your inet addr
[01:44] <PacoBCN> :S
[01:44] <thoreauputic> adamjohnson: that command will show the network interfaces and IPs
[01:44] <CarlK_> D3v Intel x86 install CD     For almost all PCs. This includes most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors... http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[01:44] <adamjohnson> thanks
[01:45] <ehertlein> does anyone here use pastebin often? im not seeing howto "update" a post
[01:45] <D3v> CarlK_ ok
[01:45] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: you can't eject a drive that's mounted *gee*
[01:45] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, it used to work properly
[01:46] <thoreauputic> ehertlein: which pastebin are you using? The pastebin.com interface is pretty intuitive
[01:46] <ice_1963> lol
[01:46] <ice_1963> =)
[01:46] <ehertlein> thoreauputic: using pastebin.ca, ill take a look at pastebin.com
[01:47] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  you can use #flood also
[01:48] <thoreauputic> geneo93: errm... yes I know, but thanks anyway :)
[01:49] <ehertlein> thoreauputic: yeah the pastbin.com UI seems to do what i want, i think its just a bug in the pastbin.ca code that causes every change to be a new post
[01:49] <black_Nightmare> just wondering but any of you know if usb is the only way to adapt rj45 into a computer externally?
[01:49] <black_Nightmare> or are there other type of connectors for ethernet? :p
[01:50] <CarlK_> black_Nightmare - let me know cuz I have a P2=300 laptop that has a broken pcmcia slot and no USB
[01:50] <ehertlein> thoreauputic: nope pastebin.com does the exact same thing... i cant modify a current post, it makes new ones
[01:50] <codyman> does anyone know if there is a flash player build for x64
[01:50] <black_Nightmare> carlk - ty :)
[01:51] <ian> caffinated: I could go on about synaptic... a 6-page preferences dialog (better if no prefs needed).  filters? (remove). remove file menu.   remove Edit menu (maybe have a search box on the main window like firefox).   remove package menu.  in fact, I can't find any useful menu items for novices except Help, but they wouldn't need that in an easier app :)
[01:52] <mjr> There are some old parallel port ethernet adapters; slow, but may be functional. I don't know about support or availability nowadays. See eg. http://www.home.unix-ag.org/nils/accton_linux.html
[01:52] <caffinated> ian: agreed.  i'm just thinking it might be better as one integrated application to avoid confusion.
[01:52] <CarlK_> oh yeah!  I have a xircom!
[01:52] <thoreauputic> ian: one problem is that descriptions of packages are ...ummm... rather geeky for the average novice
[01:52] <ian> caffinated: what kind of integration are you thinking of?  what about having the easy one be able to launch the hard one
[01:53] <thoreauputic> the search function works OK but package names can be unintuitive
[01:53] <CarlK_> I think the paralel port can do 1.5mbps, about as fast as my cable modem before comcast started speeding them up ;)
[01:53] <caffinated> ian: well, you'd start the easy one as the default, and then you could either a) make a preference to switch to the hard, or b) make a conspicuous button that is labeled "easy mode" and "hard mode" respectively.
[01:53] <ian> thoreauputic: agreed.  couldn't use those.  but writing a few hundred normal-human-readable descriptions shouldn't be too hard (surely there are some ubuntu/redhat/novell/volunteer writers)
[01:54] <black_Nightmare> carlk_ xircom parallel>rj45?? thats interesting I need to locate one lol
[01:54] <black_Nightmare> brb :p
[01:55] <ian> thoreauputic: remember that it would only be apps (not -dev, libraries, etc.), and only ones that use modern technology (GTK2) and at least try to fit in in gnome (ie. be easy to use).  so not too many, I think
[01:55] <caffinated> ian: i don't really see a problem with having the two modes in the same program, provided that there is a really obvious way to switch.
[01:55] <CarlK_> black_Nightmare - i thnk you are confusing someting
[01:55] <ice_1963> synaptic is vary good you know that =)
[01:55] <ian> it's good for us... :)
[01:55] <caffinated> otherwise you get in to having multiple package managers on the same system, and for a novice, that may also be confusing
[01:55] <thoreauputic> ian: an example: how the heck is anyone supposed to know that for rhythmbox to play mp3 requires installing gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[01:56] <ian> caffinated: I wonder if the simple one could apt-get and install the fancy one the first time the user clicks Advanced...? :)
[01:56] <caffinated> thoreauputic: the solution is to dump rhythm box as an option.
[01:56] <caffinated> at least until they can make that make more sense.
[01:56] <caffinated> ian: that's a thought too
[01:57] <geneo93> ian:  try mandrake it uses gurpmi and it gets all depends you need for apps to run
[01:57] <thoreauputic> ian: so the only people who find that out are those who have the skills to find it  ( gstreamer etc) Unfortunately if they don't kow how to access the wiki or IRC they are stuffed...
[01:58] <caffinated> thoreauputic: i have a huge problem with some of the default applications in ubuntu - they simply do not work out of the box.  the media applications are bad that way.
[01:58] <geneo93> including codecs
[01:58] <ian> thoreauputic: which of course, they don't
[01:58] <thoreauputic> ian: exactly
[01:58] <black_Nightmare> sorry carlk_ was thinking a bit too fast :p
[01:58] <pvh> thoreauputic: the problem is a legal one
[01:58] <thoreauputic> caffinated: totem is another unfortunate example of that...
[01:58] <ian> caffinated: do they not work for any free formats?
[01:58] <caffinated> thoreauputic: yes.  totem left my setup fast.
[01:59] <ice_1963> mandrake is for kid's
[01:59] <caffinated> ian: i couldn't even get totem to play back mpeg without modification.
[01:59] <andril> thoreauputic: do you know how to remove a item from the Applications > Sound & Vido menu - RealPlayer?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> pvh: I undestand the legal issue - nut a link to the relevant pages on the site could be provided, surely ?
[01:59] <caffinated> ian: out of the box, it's about as useful as a paperweight ;)
[01:59] <geneo93> ice thats what he wants in ubuntu
[01:59] <mjr> (having totem use gstreamer by default when it has problems playing video smoothly _is_ a bit unwise, methinks)
[01:59] <pvh> thoreauputic: I believe ubuntuguide will be included as part of Hoary.
[02:00] <caffinated> mjr: i agree.  they should make it use xine.
[02:00] <ian> mjr: I wonder if it's to push gstreamer development?
[02:00] <thoreauputic> pvh: good news :)
[02:00] <pvh> thoreauputic: even better would be if all the things in ubuntuguide were fixed for hoary
[02:00] <ice_1963> why
[02:00] <thoreauputic> andril: are you on warty?
[02:00] <mjr> ian, maybe
[02:00] <pvh> thoreauputic: but there are good reasons for most of the problems in there
[02:00] <thoreauputic> pvh: yes, I grok
[02:00] <mjr> I hope it's pushed quickly
[02:02] <thoreauputic> andril: ah, that entry must be a hoary entry - don't know then ( I'm using warty here)
[02:03] <robertj> ack!
[02:03] <robertj> Is Wobbly Windows for real?
[02:04] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: :-O
[02:04] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: heh
[02:04] <Vjaz> Anyone here who has successfully configured a GPRS Internet connection over IRDA and a phone?
[02:04] <ian> robertj: are you referring to seth nickell's blog?
[02:04] <black_Nightmare> hmmm IrDa......
[02:04] <ice_1963> hhmmmmmmmm
[02:04] <robertj> indeed
[02:04] <black_Nightmare> that makes me thinking
[02:04] <black_Nightmare> LOL ice
[02:05] <Vjaz> black_Nightmare: you know anything about configuring irda?
[02:05] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I'll install hoary when the CDs arrive (dialup here)
[02:05] <ice_1963> do tel
[02:05] <ian> robertj: it's real but not necessarily going to make it into production software
[02:05] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about these wireless adapters that you can buy in stores for your online-abled game console?
[02:05] <robertj> ian: I still haven't finished reading, I'll ask why not in a few minutes ;)
[02:05] <ian> robertj: pretty cool looking huh?
[02:06] <ian> something a little more subtle might be good
[02:06] <black_Nightmare> or not I guess
[02:07] <darkgamer20> hey everyone
[02:07] <darkgamer20> I installed ubuntu
[02:07] <robertj> and it played in Firefox
[02:07] <robertj> I feel like I came home 5 years in the future
[02:07] <darkgamer20> and i upgraded
[02:07] <ice_1963> ok that's good
[02:08] <ian> robertj: I think part of "why not" is that it all requires Luminocity which is an experiment of Owen's, not prime time stuff
[02:08] <darkgamer20> i want to know if it is ok to comment out the olf kernel in menu.lst?
[02:08] <thoreauputic> darkgamer20: it's OK but having the old kernel is a nice fallback at times
[02:09] <robertj> requires? I was under the impression that it was Luminocity?
[02:09] <robertj> is there some other bit besides the fd.o extensions we all know and love?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> darkgamer20: if a new kernel breaks something
[02:09] <ells> tritium: I have returned,......but on my laptop
[02:09] <darkgamer20> thoreauputic: thanks I know its safe to leave it there i am just going to comment it out
[02:10] <tritium> ells, ok
[02:10] <thoreauputic> darkgamer20: your choice - as always with Free software ;)
[02:10] <tritium> ells, one minute
[02:10] <ian> robertj: I think "wobbly windows" is sort of a plugin effect for Luminocity, although where open source software begins and ends is sometimes hard to say :)
[02:10] <ells> tritium: I am thinking I will have to reinstall.....okay
[02:10] <darkgamer20> thoreauputic: thank you :)
[02:11] <Nibel> is it possible to use native debian packages with ubuntu
[02:11] <darkgamer20> see you everyone
[02:11] <darkgamer20> Nibel: yes
[02:11] <Nibel> ty
[02:11] <thoreauputic> darkgamer20: don't thank me - thank the people who thought up the licences :)
[02:11] <darkgamer20> Nibel: but you should find most of the packages in "Universe"
[02:11] <darkgamer20> bye everyone
[02:12] <typo> the hoary install cd freezes one kernel boot right after saying what's the version of the ACPI subsystem. What should I do?
[02:12] <typo> s/one/on/
[02:12] <thoreauputic> Nibel: possible but not a Good Idea (tm)
[02:12] <ian> typo: on a laptop?
[02:12] <typo> ian: yes
[02:12] <ian> typo: what type?
[02:12] <typo> ian: Asus M2400N centrino
[02:13] <typo> ian: I have been using 2.6.9-ac13 with S3 suspend and all
[02:13] <typo> ian: and ACPI has worked for a long time in this laptop
[02:14] <ian> typo: there are some notes about that laptop here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops  no mention of that problem though
[02:15] <typo> ian: I read those
[02:15] <typo> ian: maybe that was with warty?
[02:15] <robertj> ian: that makes OS X look very restrained
[02:16] <typo> ian: should I try booting with acpi=off?
[02:16] <ian> robertj: I had the same thought. I wonder if Apple will ever allow 3rd parties to make new effects
[02:16] <robertj> I actually like the idea of being able to wave a window to see behind it
[02:16] <ian> typo: I would say try it.  although then you don't have ACPI... :)  how is APM on that laptop?
[02:17] <typo> ian: I don't think it exists even
[02:17] <typo> ian: I'd just have to install my own kernel
[02:17] <typo> ian: not a big problem
[02:17] <typo> ian: right?
[02:17] <ian> I may have to do the same on my T23
[02:18] <ian> not sure-- anyone want to chime in here?  is installing a custom compiled kernel hard on ubuntu?
[02:18] <Vjaz> No harder than on any other distro.
[02:19] <typo> fine, I have a compiled one right there in my home
[02:19] <typo> and since I'm not overwriting that installing it should be fine
[02:19] <typo> off to try
[02:19] <typo> thanks
[02:19] <ian> good luck
[02:19] <typo> should I file a kernel bug about this?
[02:19] <michal_d> hi. will the hoary preview be easily upgradable to the hoary release? i'm not sure which cd image to download
[02:20] <tritium> michal_d, people are already updating their hoary preview installs daily, so yes
[02:20] <michal_d> ok. thanks
[02:21] <geneo93> bbiab
[02:21] <poningru> ok stupid question, I am sure people have been kicked for this, but is ubuntu being combined with user linux?
[02:22] <Fackamato> user linux?
[02:22] <Fackamato> what's that?
[02:22] <poningru> http://www.userlinux.com/
[02:22] <poningru> bbl
[02:23] <EricNeon>
[02:23] <EricNeon> smurfix,
[02:23] <thundrcleeze> say what?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> poningru: I gather Bruce Perens says no
[02:23] <Vjaz> Does Google work for anyone else?
[02:23] <EricNeon> I got your e-mal,
[02:23] <Fackamato> yes
[02:23] <Vjaz> O_O
[02:23] <EricNeon> thank you
[02:23] <poningru> ?
[02:24] <poningru> so are we combining a distro here?
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: heh... never finds what I want! I'm filing a bug ! *grin*
[02:24] <Vjaz> Is Google working right now?
[02:24] <akk> I wonder about the userlinux thing too.  He talks about it but when I've gone to the site there doesn't seem to be much going on.
[02:24] <ian> Vjaz: yes
[02:24] <Vjaz> Aaaaaaaaaaa.
[02:24] <black_Nightmare> vjaz... try this for now? www.teoma.com
[02:24] <Vjaz> Curse the ISP
[02:24] <black_Nightmare> its actually my homepage ;)
[02:24] <black_Nightmare> not my site..I mean the browser homepage
[02:24] <black_Nightmare> :p
[02:25] <poningru> http://lists.userlinux.com/pipermail/discuss/2005-March/007251.html
[02:25] <Vjaz> black_Nightmare: ok, was thinking it's probably a porn site or something
[02:25] <black_Nightmare> vjaz...WTF???? are you crazy?
[02:25] <black_Nightmare> lol
[02:25] <Vjaz> black_Nightmare: which would've been thoughtful also, given the most popular search keywords...
[02:25] <CarlK> duh... what is the irc list wildcard char?  /list #ubunt* is not showing me ubuntu
[02:25] <Markrian> If I installed Hoary Preview now, and updated via APT when the Hoary is released, would I be at any disadvantage to people who installed Hoary final directly?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: you don't have a porn site as your home page? What's wrong with you ? :D
[02:26] <Markrian> i.e., would anything be different on my system/
[02:26] <black_Nightmare> :p
[02:26] <robl^> ubuntu needs some antipsychotic drugs!! its doing very odd things.  its telling me it can't install gnustep because gworkspace.app and viewpdf.app will not be install.. but they are already installed
[02:26] <Vjaz> Hm... Google works again...
[02:27] <Vjaz> Cursed ISP.
[02:28] <michal_d> makrian: i was led to believe "no"
[02:28] <Vjaz> That Teoma site doesn't really look like a match for Google.
[02:28] <Vjaz> The results I got from Google were much more relevant.
[02:29] <Vjaz> I was searching for a keyword in Finnish though, so that might affect the search in a bad way.
[02:29] <Zugot> deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main.... this looks correct?
[02:30] <Burk> hi
[02:30] <phxguy> can anybody in here help me with my screensavers???
[02:31] <thoreauputic> phxguy: hard to say until you specify the problem...
[02:31] <Vjaz> Zugot: I have "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" but it probably makes no difference
[02:31] <Vjaz> I'd say it's ok
[02:32] <Zugot> oops... i used http instead of ftp
[02:32] <Zugot> oops
[02:32] <phxguy> well i have installed my nvidia drivers and everything but when i go to test any of my screensavers they do not seem to work thoreauputic
[02:32] <thoreauputic> phxguy: how are you testing? are you running xscreensaver-demo or what?
[02:33] <phxguy> thoreauputic: in the screen saver window i click on preview
[02:34] <thoreauputic> phxguy: and *none* of them will preview? or just some?
[02:34] <phxguy> thoreauputic: im using KDE and the only ones that preview in the little are the ones from x-screensaver. but when i go to test it it doesn't do anything
[02:35] <struggler> can anyone tell me if you can boot off of software raid 5 using yaboot? and if so, how?
[02:35] <thoreauputic> phxguy: ah, KDE issue I think
[02:35] <thoreauputic> phxguy: I don't have KDE here, sorry
[02:35] <machoo> hi i just plugged in an external hard drive 40gb that I stored my filed (old win xp files) and i can't access them now although the system recognmizes the device
[02:36] <phxguy> thoreauputic: i did some updates today and now im back in the screensaver panel and everything is differnet
[02:36] <thoreauputic> phxguy: maybe ask in #kubuntu
[02:36] <phxguy> could i have been missing a library or something
[02:36] <phxguy> i already asked in  #kubuntu no one there is talking
[02:37] <thoreauputic> phxguy: could be a conflict with the KDE screensaver, but asking in #kubuntu would be an idea, I think
[02:37] <thoreauputic> phxguy: I see
[02:37] <crimsun> machoo: what filesystem?
[02:37] <machoo> uh sorry am new to ubuntu what do you mean?
[02:38] <robertj> beagle's compile page is way out of date for warty now, right?
[02:38] <robertj> err hoary
[02:38] <thoreauputic> phxguy: have you tried turning the kde screensaver off and running xscreensaver-demo from a terminal ?
[02:38] <crimsun> machoo: are those old win xp files on an NTFS partition?
[02:38] <phxguy> Ah Kewl!!!! they are working now
[02:38] <machoo> crimsum: i copied my windows documents to the hdd before switching to ubuntu
[02:38] <machoo> i think so
[02:38] <CarlK> is there a channel that bugzilla anounces to?
[02:38] <machoo> crimsum: i think so
[02:38] <phxguy> I must have been missing something thoreauputic ...
[02:38] <thoreauputic> phxguy: what did you do to make them work?
[02:38] <esher> hmmmm
[02:39] <machoo> crimsum: actually i don't remember formatting the disk myself, i think the guy at the store did it
[02:39] <crimsun> machoo: try mounting it.  First, create a mountpoint, like: sudo mkdir -p /media/windows
[02:39] <esher> where is midnight commander gone in latest hoary ??
[02:39] <phxguy> nothing really.... Like i said earlier i did an update earlier today and now everything is different in there
[02:39] <^thehatsrule^> mc? O.o
[02:39] <machoo> crimsum: baby steps please :) how do I do that
[02:39] <esher> hehe
[02:39] <esher> server install dont have this hehe
[02:39] <madel> hi there...  anyone was aviable to run OpenOffice.org 2 in ubuntu?
[02:40] <esher> and apt-cache search midnight or commander dont find anything
[02:40] <crimsun> machoo: then, sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=022 /dev/sda1 /media/windows
[02:40] <esher> i install now from source :(
[02:40] <struggler> anyone familiar with apple hardware and raid?
[02:40] <CarlK> madel - I would if I could get past an instal hangup -
[02:40] <machoo> crimsum: what app do i use to put these commands in am only familiar with synaptic
[02:41] <crimsun> machoo: those two commands are typed in a Terminal (or Konsole if you're using Kubuntu)
[02:41] <madel> CarlK,  control+c ?
[02:41] <phxguy> thanks for trying to help thoreauputic ... i appreciate it
[02:41] <CarlK> madel - huh?
[02:41] <thoreauputic> phxguy: no worries :)
[02:42] <madel> CarlK, joking...
[02:42] <CarlK> ah
[02:42] <phxguy> thoreauputic: can you help me with something else???
[02:42] <thoreauputic> phxguy: just ask - if anyone can help, they will
[02:43] <machoo> crimsum: i used the first commend and it says to type mkdir --help
[02:43] <BockBilbo> can someone tell me how to disable the x server in the startup ?
[02:43] <ben0ne> thoreauputic, using hoary ?
[02:43] <CarlK> in bugzilla, is there a "related to
[02:44] <machoo> crimsum: thing is I could read the files automatically with warty
[02:44] <crimsun> machoo: sudo mkdir -p /media/windows
[02:44] <CarlK> I see depends and blocks, but want to loosly tie two together
[02:44] <thoreauputic> ben0ne: I'm on warty atm
[02:44] <machoo> crimsum: sorry missed a space
[02:45] <phxguy> For some reason when I try to change the image for my username it tells me that i can't change it and to contact mmy administrator
[02:45] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: sudo update-rc.d gdm remove should do it, IIRC
[02:46] <machoo> crimsum: it says special drive does not exist but I saw the lights change ont he external drive when it was working on the command
[02:46] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, so, if i do that, after booting, i will have a shell login prompt
[02:46] <BockBilbo> right?
[02:46] <thoreauputic> phxguy: does it ask for a paddword?
[02:46] <phxguy> noope just says i can't change it
[02:46] <BockBilbo> and if then i want to start the X server ill have to do startx
[02:46] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: I believe so
[02:46] <crimsun> machoo: do you have any other external HDs?
[02:47] <crimsun> machoo: is it a USB HD?
[02:47] <machoo> crimsum: yes sorry failed to mention it is a usb external hd
[02:47] <struggler> does anyone know anything about booting raid 5 on a powerpc?
[02:47] <crimsun> machoo: but it's the only one, correct?
[02:47] <machoo> yes
[02:47] <machoo> crimsum: aside from the one i have inside the pc
[02:47] <phxguy> ok i got the exact error msg:  Your administrator has disallowed changing your image.
[02:48] <crimsun> machoo: please tell me privately the output of, sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[02:49] <madel> so... no1 has installed openoffice.org2?
[02:49] <Kamakazie> lots of people have
[02:49] <madel> Kamakazie, have you? could you help me?
[02:49] <crimsun> it's a bit crashy for me, madel, when opening large Word documents.
[02:50] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, is this ok?: root@PC-SERVIDOR:/var/www# update-rc.d gdm remove
[02:50] <BockBilbo> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/gdm exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)
[02:50] <madel> crimsun, you think I should wait for the final release?
[02:50] <crimsun> madel: I'm can't make that recommendation for you, though I'm sticking with 1.1.3
[02:50] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: hmm...not sure on that - maybe someone else can tell you
[02:51] <jordanau> i have a friend that i want to give a lot of files. What is the best way to let him choose the files he wants and download them? should I use vsftpd?
[02:51] <madel> crimsun, why r you stuck?
[02:51] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, could that be cause im running gdm?
[02:51] <crimsun> madel: I'm not
[02:52] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if ubuntu works well with TNT2 Pro cards?
[02:52] <black_Nightmare> its 16MB agp :p
[02:52] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: probably - you can try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop to kill X and get a tty
[02:52] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, im actually doing all of this via ssh
[02:53] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: Warty works fine, and Hoary's nv driver works. Hoary's nvidia driver is broken.
[02:53] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: without X or through gdm?
[02:53] <black_Nightmare> crimsun...hrm so I should probably wait for the final release of hoary to ask again then?
[02:53] <BockBilbo> what do you mean?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: was your ssh session using X, and is gdm running on the remote system?
[02:54] <BockBilbo> (i think i have dissabled gdm)
[02:54] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: the Nvidia drivers are not likely to be updated again before Hoary releases.  If you require hardware-accelerated 3D on your TNT2, I recommend you install 1.0-7167 manually.  Otherwise, the 2D "nv" driver works just fine.
[02:54] <BockBilbo> gdm was running on the remote system yes, and my ssh session is using x
[02:54] <BockBilbo> lol
[02:54] <mellinux> Hey fellas, what's the terminal command to reset everything in X?
[02:54] <BockBilbo> but i think ive done it
[02:55] <black_Nightmare> crimsun..ahh ok I see now
[02:55] <black_Nightmare> ty
[02:55] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: OK :)
[02:55] <mellinux> my XF86Config-4 file got messed up..
[02:55] <gankzor> I've got unrar and I want to use it to extract a file from multiple rar files, but it only wants to extract from the first file and not continue to the rest, how do I do this
[02:55] <thoreauputic> mellinux: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:55] <black_Nightmare> crimsun its that one local used store has three of these cards in stock -- I'll have try trade my older cards (two are 4MB pci, don't laugh lol) to try get one TNT2 card :p
[02:56] <mellinux> thanks man
[02:56] <thoreauputic> mellinux: assuming you didn't edit it manually
[02:56] <mellinux> i did.
[02:56] <thoreauputic> oh
[02:56] <mellinux> dang
[02:56] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, i wanted to dissable the x server cause i see no use of it in my web server
[02:56] <mellinux> is that henry david thoreau?
[02:57] <thoreauputic> mellinux: in that case, read the top of the file - it tells you how to fix it so dpkg-reconfigure will work
[02:57] <mellinux> i can't read it
[02:57] <BockBilbo> its a really old computer running ubuntu, and makes no sense using resources for nothing
[02:57] <BockBilbo> lol
[02:57] <mellinux> ...x doesn't work at all, i have a big, non-graphic window
[02:58] <thoreauputic> mellinux: of course you can -   less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:58] <mellinux> that's the command to reset it?
[02:58] <thoreauputic> mellinux: use the space bar to read each screen
[02:58] <thoreauputic> mellinux: no, that's to look at it
[02:59] <thoreauputic> mellinux: at the top it tells you what to do if you want to reset it
[02:59] <mellinux> ok thanks man =]
[02:59] <mellinux> be back in a bit
[03:01] <jordanau> i have a friend that i want to give a lot of files. What is the best way to let him choose the files he wants and download them? should I use vsftpd?
[03:01] <gankzor> How do I get unrar to extract from multiple split archives
[03:01] <robertj> stupid cat
[03:02] <fangorious> what's the no-gui runlevel?
[03:02] <black_Nightmare> so crimsun ~ if I use hoary preview .. the TNT2 Pro card would be a 2D card for gnome ... then I do a manual upgrade (or is that more of downgrade? lol) of the drivers to get full 3D performance
[03:02] <black_Nightmare> right?
[03:02] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: essentially, yes.
[03:03] <thoreauputic> fangorious: debian style distros don't use runlevels for gui/non-gui
[03:03] <black_Nightmare> ty
[03:03] <black_Nightmare> hmm say...
[03:03] <black_Nightmare> have they figured firewire support for linux yet or thats for a future kernel?
[03:03] <fangorious> thoreauputic: so do I have to boot in single-user mode from grub to not get X/gdm loading?
[03:03] <knucks> how do i set up an ftp on ubuntu?
[03:03] <akk> Regular debian seems to use runlevels for gui/nongui (cmdline/x), but ubuntu apparently doesn't.
[03:04] <crimsun> akk: debian does not.
[03:04] <crimsun> akk: 2-5 are identical
[03:04] <gankzor> How do I get unrar to extract from multiple split archives?
[03:04] <black_Nightmare> hm..anyone? :p
[03:04] <thoreauputic> fangorious: you can disable gdm
[03:04] <crimsun> gankzor: extract the first one in the set, and unrar will continue
[03:05] <thoreauputic> fangorious: have a look at the update-rc.d command
[03:05] <fangorious> thoreauputic: and if after installing 5.04 the default boot gives me a blank screen fromwhich I can only ctrl-alt-del to reboot (checking vt1-6 doesn't seem to work)
[03:05] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: for what, mass storage?  That's already functional.
[03:05] <knucks> how do i set up an ftp on ubuntu? please?
[03:05] <fangorious> knucks: and ftp server?
[03:06] <knucks> thats what i want. an ftp server
[03:06] <thoreauputic> fangorious: umm... that sounds like /etc/inittab is fubar, but I may be wrong...
[03:06] <akk> fangorious: How about just apt-get remove gdm?  That's what I end up doing on my debian machines.
[03:06] <black_Nightmare> crimsun ah hmm so the creative soundblaster audigy card is kinda fully useable under ubuntu then? (sound card with one firewire400)
[03:06] <akk> fangorious: Sometimes it comes back (other packages dependant on it) and you have to remove it again.
[03:06] <fangorious> knucks: have you looked at proftpd
[03:06] <knucks> nope
[03:06] <knucks> apt-get it?
[03:06] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: no, firewire support in alsa is forthcoming.
[03:07] <black_Nightmare> ah ok
[03:07] <black_Nightmare> was only curious..I don't quite have any need of firewire yet :p
[03:08] <akk> black_Nightmare: It's a little flaky for mass storage; doesn't work with all hardware.
[03:08] <fangorious> akk: I can't seem to get to a shell at all. I see the boot sequence, and when I expect gdm to load (or a text console login to appear), the screen goes blank.
[03:08] <black_Nightmare> brb for a minute
[03:08] <knucks> ok i got proftpd
[03:08] <akk> fangorious: ctl-alt-F2 ?
[03:08] <knucks> now what?
[03:08] <crimsun> fangorious: what graphics chipset?
[03:09] <fangorious> akk: doesn't do anything. all I can do is reboot via power button or ctrl-alt-del
[03:09] <geneo93> wow got it back
[03:09] <fangorious> single-user seems to give me a shell ... seems X is hanging ... intel i830M
[03:09] <knucks> um..
[03:09] <knucks> i apt-get install proftpd
[03:09] <knucks> now what?
[03:09] <knucks> how do i run it..
[03:10] <fangorious> knucks: check out the man pages for how to configure it. there should be an /etc/init.d/proftpd script to start/stop it
[03:10] <crimsun> fangorious: I believe that's being sorted (i810).
[03:10] <blackzilla> can any one help a begginer
[03:11] <blackzilla> I just installed ubuntu and I can't find my hard drives
[03:11] <knucks> its not a gui?
[03:11] <knucks> i want a gui :(
[03:11] <fangorious> crimsun: how can it still be broken .... every other current distro i've tried works with the chip
[03:12] <fangorious> knucks: uh, i'm not familiar with any gui ftpd config tools on linux. (and i haven't configured proftpd in a couple of years)
[03:12] <akk> Server apps seldom have guis; lots of servers don't even have X installed, so server apps can't rely on them.
[03:12] <knucks> akk: true
[03:12] <Zugot> ok...
[03:12] <knucks> ok so how do i check my ftp?
[03:12] <knucks> i don even know how to work this
[03:13] <Zugot> you can run linux under linux correct?
[03:13] <fangorious> so is there a workaround I can do for this chip?
[03:13] <geneo93> veas
[03:13] <geneo93> vesa
[03:15] <akk> fangorious: In single user mode, you could try update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[03:15] <akk> fangorious: which might get you booting into a cmdline.
[03:15] <akk> (if apt-get remove gdm doesn't work)
[03:15] <blackzilla> please excuse me if Im not familiar with the ettiquette I've never chatterd before but I hope someone can help me find my hard drives
[03:15] <fangorious> akk: yeah, but it seems I'll have to use the VESA driver use X
[03:16] <crimsun> fangorious: I'm not familiar with the i810 and Hoary's X.Org; have you searched bugzilla?
[03:16] <fangorious> crimsun: in the process
[03:18] <fangorious> is the vesa driver VESA or vesa in xorg.conf?
[03:20] <geneo93> fangorious:  just edit xorg,cong and put vesa driver
[03:20] <fangorious> geneo93: couldn't recall the capitalization, vesa seems to be right. C loaded.
[03:21] <fangorious> hrm .. "failed to initialize HAL"
[03:21] <fangorious> C loaded means X loaded
[03:21] <geneo93> hmm ctrl alt backspace
[03:22] <geneo93> or reboot
[03:22] <fangorious> geneo93: X loaded just fine with VESA, fully responsive, just got a big error window that said that, and on OK button, rebooting
[03:23] <daniels> fangorious: what's your problem with i810?
[03:23] <daniels> fangorious: oh
[03:24] <daniels> fangorious: what resolution are you running at?
[03:24] <geneo93> he has a i830m
[03:24] <fangorious> daniels: daniels 1024x768, 24 bpp
[03:24] <fangorious> can't find anything in bugzilla. but I have a history of not being able find things and filing a duplicate
[03:25] <jordanau> i have a friend that i want to give a lot of files. What is the best way to let him choose the files he wants and download them? should I use vsftpd?
[03:25] <daniels> fangorious: try editing xorg.conf and adding the following two lines:
[03:25] <daniels> HorizSync 36-52
[03:25] <daniels> VertRefresh 36-60
[03:26] <fangorious> I notice the kernel option "splash" in the grub kernel lines. did ubuntu opt to use bootsplash rather than an rhgb type approach?
[03:26] <daniels> fangorious: those go in the Display section
[03:26] <robertj> are there mono 1.1 debs floating around anywhere?
[03:26] <daniels> fangorious: if it doesn't work, try bumping the 52 in HorizSync down to 51 or up to 53
[03:26] <daniels> robertj: nope, we're going with our own solution, called 'usplash' that is somewhere between the two (entirely in userspace, but not invoking X at all)
[03:27] <robertj> daniels: hrmm?
[03:28] <robertj> dnaiels: hehe, I think your answer is matched to the wrong person
[03:28] <fangorious> daniels: I asked about bootsplash. ;)
[03:28] <robertj> and I asked about mono 1.1
[03:29] <geneo93> confused
[03:29] <zul> fangorious: no to bootsplash
[03:29] <daniels> fangorious: yes, but I'm trying to solve your X problem as well without needing to use vesa
[03:29] <crimsun> robertj: work is being done on mono 1.1.  Whether it makes it in for Hoary is another issue altogether.
[03:29] <fangorious> daniels: the Display subsection of the Screen section?
[03:29] <daniels> fangorious: (i'm the xorg maintainer, and would rather like it if it worked out of the box everywhere)
[03:30] <daniels> fangorious: actually, the top-level Monitor section, sorry
[03:30] <geneo93> hehe i have a naked gnome
[03:30] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if its possibel to have a 12x dvdrw drive?
[03:30] <sander__> daniels, at this point is the x.org ati driver as good as the binary for ati7500 mobility?
[03:30] <robertj> crimsun: if it makes it will beagle .0.8 go in universe?
[03:30] <black_Nightmare> I thought it was like either 8x or 16x for dvd (dvdrom too even)
[03:30] <fangorious> daniels, looks like it's working
[03:30] <sander__> er radeon 7500
[03:30] <daniels> sander__: fglrx doesn't even work on that chip
[03:31] <sander__> That would be yes then. :)
[03:31] <black_Nightmare> sander.... heh I have an aiw7500 here :p
[03:31] <black_Nightmare> not used thou
[03:31] <mebaran151> Anyone know any phones that sync with Evolution
[03:31] <crimsun> robertj: tseng is the person you should ask.
[03:31] <mebaran151> I was looking at a pretty Sony
[03:31] <mebaran151> but I really would like it to sync with Evolution
[03:32] <fangorious> daniels: is there a gui xorg.conf config tool (other than gvim)?
[03:32] <sander__> black_Nightmare, at some point I went all Athlon/ATI. I don't know what caused it. I t happened so fast.
[03:32] <jordanau> i have a friend that i want to give a lot of files. What is the best way to let him choose the files he wants and download them? should I use vsftpd?
[03:32] <mebaran151> fangorious, you could try gedit
[03:32] <mebaran151> if you just want to edit the text files
[03:32] <black_Nightmare> samder...oh ok
[03:32] <fangorious> lol
[03:32] <Blissex> jordanau: depends on how geeky you are.
[03:32] <mebaran151> the text files are pretty easy to navigate
[03:32] <daniels> fangorious: not really, sorry
[03:33] <fangorious> mebaran151: i meant to avoid hand tweaking the text file
[03:33] <Blissex> jordanau: an HTTP server is an alternative, and HTTP+WbDAV is particularly convenient.
[03:33] <mebaran151> fangorious, just tweek it
[03:33] <fangorious> daniels: no big deal, if it's working it's working
[03:33] <mebaran151> the gui tools I have tried are usually not reliable
[03:33] <mebaran151> I am sure you can handle it
[03:33] <mebaran151> if you installed Linux
[03:33] <mebaran151> you can tweak them
[03:33] <mebaran151> if you want
[03:33] <mebaran151> try xorgconf
[03:33] <mebaran151> it will generate one for you
[03:33] <mebaran151> I think
[03:33] <sander__> And now I find ATI is crappy for linux. I guess until all that fancy cairo/kdrive/gl stuff makes it to my level it doesn't make a difference anyway.
[03:34] <mebaran151> xorgconfig
[03:34] <mebaran151> sorry
[03:35] <fangorious> mebaran151: i was just thinking about the posibility of running such a tool messing up the sync rates I put in by hand sugested by daniels. thanks for the tip on xorgconfig though (and system-config-display on fedora has been pretty good to me)
[03:37] <mebaran151> ah
[03:37] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:37] <mebaran151> if you have weird sync rates
[03:38] <mebaran151> I think it lets you put them in
[03:38] <mebaran151> but if you can put those in
[03:38] <mebaran151> you should be ok
[03:38] <struggler> Anybody seen this on Warty?  GNOME hangs after the login screen before putting up the desktop when connecting from a remote X terminal.  XFCE works fine, so I don't think it is a permission issue.
[03:38] <geneo93> back in a flash
[03:39] <kkathman> can apt-get upgrade just one application?  The newest Firefox is 1.0.2 and the version I have is 0.93.
[03:39] <geppy> No.
[03:39] <fangorious> sweet, only 284 updates available
[03:39] <geppy> kkathman: You could 'apt-get install mozilla-firefox'
[03:39] <kkathman> geppy.. and that would get the most recent?
[03:39] <geppy> kkathman: Yep.
[03:40] <kkathman> I guess only if the recent version was in the archive eh?
[03:40] <ioguix> plop
[03:40] <Roey> hi
[03:40] <Roey> I get this when I start xmms:  21:38:01 kamelot xmms
[03:40] <Roey> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:40] <Roey> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[03:40] <Roey> wtf?
[03:41] <ioguix> Roey: I had the same pb...
[03:41] <geppy> Roey:  sudo apt-get install libmikmod2
[03:41] <mebaran151> Roey
[03:41] <geppy> *sigh*
[03:41] <mebaran151> apt-get install libmikmod2
[03:41] <mebaran151> geppy beat me
[03:41] <mebaran151> haha
[03:41] <geppy> haha
[03:41] <geppy> =)
[03:41] <ioguix> geppy: you're faster than me :)
[03:41] <mebaran151> Geppy wins
[03:41] <crimsun> Roey: that's fixed already.
[03:41] <mebaran151> we should give him a trophy
[03:41] <geppy> hahaha =)
[03:41] <crimsun> Roey: you no longer need the libmikmod/libesd0 workarounds.
[03:42] <mebaran151> I like libmikmod
[03:42] <mebaran151> I dont know what it does
[03:42] <mebaran151> or why I need it
[03:42] <geppy> but, hey, it works
[03:42] <crimsun> it was a libc6 issue
[03:42] <geppy> When will usplash be out?
[03:43] <crimsun> Breezy, perhaps.
[03:43] <crimsun> definitely not in time for Hoary.
[03:43] <struggler> Anyone using Warty/GNOME by way of a Xterminal or Windows running a X server?
[03:43] <geppy> Alright.
[03:43] <Roey> geppy:  this ubuntu seems rushed...
[03:43] <Roey> geppy:  packages are missing all over the place
[03:43] <geppy> Roey:  Hoary is coming out in a couple of weeks, they can't add anything new.
[03:43] <Roey> crimsun:  they don't have konq-plugins for example, in kubuntu.
[03:43] <Roey> geppy:  so they're going to leave it broken like this?
[03:43] <fangorious> daniels: any hint why the i915 kernel module loaded instead of the i830 module? you think that might explain the problem?
[03:43] <geppy> Roey: Kubuntu != Ubuntu
[03:43] <zeratha>  I am having some wierd issues and need help with them. It's on Hoary.
[03:43] <Roey> geppy:  xmms doesn't really work
[03:44] <geppy> Roey:  Hey, it's not broken for me.
[03:44] <Roey> geppy:  kubuntu is just a set of packages, it's still ubuntu
[03:44] <geppy> Roey: XMMS works fine for me.
[03:44] <Roey> geppy:  didn't here.
[03:44] <geppy> Roey: That sucks.
[03:44] <kkathman> kubuntu = KDE more or less I think
[03:44] <geppy> kkathman: Right.
[03:44] <Roey> geppy:  it also formats partitions even though you told it not to
[03:44] <geppy> But, seriously, if you want KDE, use Mepis.
[03:44] <geppy> Roey:  Never happened to me
[03:44] <kkathman> why Mepis?
[03:44] <Roey> geppy:  happened here.
[03:44] <Roey> and the sound drivers are still messed up in the kernel!
[03:44] <geppy> kkathman: Because it's like Ubuntu, but it's based on KDE.
[03:44] <Roey> all this distortion!
[03:45] <geppy> Not for me.
[03:45] <Roey> geppy:  it w3asn't here with kernel 2.4
[03:45] <Roey> sblive.
[03:45] <geppy> Roey: Sounds like your install is jacked up.
[03:45] <geppy> SBLive here, as well.
[03:45] <kkathman> ohh hmm..well my system is pretty minimal and I doubt it would run KDE very well
[03:45] <crimsun> Roey: I don't see 3.4 for kdeaddons
[03:45] <kkathman> I gotta get more memory for this wittle box lol
[03:45] <jordanau> Hi what is the best way to host all of my MP3's for a friend of mine to download?
[03:45] <crimsun> Roey: 3.3.2 for amd64 didn't even build successfully until Feb 26th
[03:46] <Roey> crimsun:  rushed...
[03:46] <kkathman> crimsun, is that because you are in warty?
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> kkath..I'm trying to locate a compactible 128MB stick for my pc's motherboard lol :p
[03:46] <kkathman> I think in warty only the KDE core is available
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> till then..the case is half disassembled (almost all drives out.... all ribbons removed) for now :p
[03:46] <crimsun> Roey: talk to the kubuntu guys
[03:46] <kkathman> you have to go to hoary to get all the KDE addons etc
[03:46] <Roey> crimsun:  I mean in general.
[03:46] <fangorious> jordanau: ftp, webdav, http, sftp, ...
[03:47] <Roey> kkathman:  that I'll ask in #kubuntu
[03:47] <Roey> kkathman:  right now I have issues with non-kde stuff as well.
[03:47] <crimsun> Roey: meaning how?
[03:47] <Roey> crimsun:  how what?
[03:47] <Roey> crimsun:  what the problems are?
[03:47] <black_Nightmare> what is 'kubuntu' anyhow?
[03:47] <Roey> btw
[03:47] <crimsun> Roey: sure.
[03:47] <Roey> black_Nightmare:  a set of packages that makes Ubuntu usable
[03:47] <kkathman> Roey: I understand...I have been researching moving to hoary to get the KDE
[03:47] <black_Nightmare> oh ok
[03:47] <mebaran151> black_Nightmare, you want Ubuntu
[03:47] <mebaran151> but you dont like Gonme
[03:47] <kkathman> theres a good page on it in the wiki
[03:47] <mebaran151> and enjoy German technology
[03:47] <Roey> black_Nightmare:  Kubuntu is a set of KDE debs for Ubuntu.
[03:48] <mebaran151> so you go with Kubuntu and its KDE tech
[03:48] <crimsun> Roey: keep in mind for universe packages, there are barely one dozen of us overseeing fifteen thousand packages.
[03:48] <ogra> mebaran151, LOL
[03:48] <Roey> crimsun:  sure! understood!
[03:48] <black_Nightmare> hm I think I'll stick to gnome -- the least addon/edits I have to do..the easier it'll be for me to get hang of using LINUX as my main computer or something :p
[03:48] <mebaran151> Gnome is cool
[03:48] <Roey> crimsun:  I want to get EVMS off my /boot.
[03:48] <kkathman> gnome is ok
[03:48] <Roey> gnome is cool under six feet of dirt.
[03:48] <Roey> arg
[03:48] <mebaran151> all of them have as mnay bells and whistles
[03:49] <kkathman> I get conflicting opinions over whether Gnome or KDE is harder on resources
[03:49] <Roey> but len(kde.bellsAndWhistles) > len(gnome.bellsAndWhistles)
[03:49] <Roey> kkathman:  gnome is.
[03:49] <Roey> try nautilus.
[03:49] <shank_> kkathman, kde is
[03:49] <machoo> anyone got a limewire equiv for ubuntu?
[03:49] <mebaran151> kkathman, you want resource independence
[03:49] <mebaran151> go with XFCE
[03:49] <kkathman> see :)
[03:49] <shank_> Roey, have you ran any recent very of nautilus?
[03:49] <ian> Roey: you're thinking 2001 ...
[03:49] <typo> ian: the install was flawless
[03:49] <tomcat> Hey all, just got my 1st ubuntu install up!
[03:49] <ian> typo: excellent :)
[03:49] <Quest-Master> Roey: Gnome's main menu in Hoary takes almost 15 seconds to load on my fabulous machine
[03:49] <tomcat> Very nice...
[03:49] <Roey> mebaran151:  everyone says that but kde can be less resource dependent than xfce... it depends on what KDE components you want to use
[03:49] <typo> ian: a quick kernel install later and I have ACPI and sound
[03:50] <kkathman> mebaran...I just have a very minimal system right now...only 96mb memoryUGH
[03:50] <Roey> Quest-Master:  I'm happy your machine is fabulous ;)
[03:50] <crimsun> Roey simply likes kde, let's leave it at that.
[03:50] <shank_> Quest-Master, turn on memory cache'ing of menu items
[03:50] <kkathman> an old Celeron based HP Pavillion I picked up
[03:50] <smouche> xfce4, beautiful.  Log-ins are near instantaneous, window themes are very nice.  Just works.
[03:50] <Roey> Love, don't like. There is no like.
[03:50] <Quest-Master> shank_: I'll try.
[03:50] <mebaran151> XFCE looks nicer
[03:50] <Roey> or actually,
[03:50] <typo> ian: but I'd rather use the ubuntu kernels
[03:50] <Wildthing> does anyone here use irssi?
[03:50] <Roey> Love, like not.  There is no like.
[03:50] <typo> ian: what should I do?
[03:50] <Roey> crimsun:  hi!
[03:50] <shank_> Quest-Master, its more of an issue that it checks the disk for updates
[03:50] <Quest-Master> XFCE looks really nice
[03:50] <shank_> more than an issue of ram usage
[03:50] <Roey> crimsun:  how do get evms off /boot?
[03:51] <Quest-Master> shank_: How do I turn on the cache'ing?
[03:51] <kkathman> mebaran151:  XFCE .. is that in warty hoary?
[03:51] <crimsun> Roey: I have zero experience with evms, lvm, and the like.
[03:51] <ian> typo: maybe send the kernel config to someone.  not sure who
[03:51] <shank_> Quest-Master, it maybe hidden somewhere now
[03:51] <tomcat> I have a question though: How do I get spca50x (or spca5xx?) installed through synaptic? I've got an old intel cs430 webcam I'm trying to get recognized by linux... and I think that's the driver for it...
[03:51] <Roey> crimsun:  oh, ok.
[03:51] <mebaran151> XFCE is everywhere
[03:51] <smouche> I like konqueror better than nautilus, but konqueror keeps krashing on me.
[03:51] <mebaran151> just in univese
[03:51] <kkathman> universe ok
[03:51] <mebaran151> both are unfortunate
[03:51] <mebaran151> I use the commandline
[03:51] <mebaran151> mv and cp
[03:51] <mebaran151> haha
[03:52] <Roey> smouche:  several possibilities there
[03:52] <Roey> smouche:  one is heat
[03:52] <kkathman> I was going to go to hoary, but was told it would be better to wait until after April 1 when it goes official
[03:52] <Roey> smouche:  another is memory quality
[03:52] <kkathman> hey smouche :)
[03:52] <ian> mebaran151: unfortunate?  are you russian by any chance?
[03:52] <mebaran151> no
[03:52] <smouche> hello kkathman, Roey, all!
[03:52] <Vjaz> April 1 would be a fun time for a release.
[03:52] <Roey> hey smouch
[03:52] <zeratha> Hey everyone, I really need help with an issue I am having.
[03:52] <Roey> e
[03:52] <kkathman> Vjaz yah :)
[03:52] <Vjaz> I think it's April 4th really.
[03:52] <mebaran151> I have Russian ancestry
[03:53] <kkathman> yeah I think 4/4 is right
[03:53] <kkathman> sorry bout that
[03:53] <smouche> heat could be it, Roey, my fan may be busted.  Either that or amd64 is surprisingly cool, or the fan is very quiet, or kde is very efficient
[03:53] <Vjaz> Early on the April fools then?
[03:53] <smouche> seems like my system never gets warm.
[03:53] <mebaran151> my system can fry eggs on a bad day
[03:53] <kkathman> smouche if yours is like mine, it has that auto cool feature
[03:53] <mebaran151> cheaper heating
[03:54] <mebaran151> dinner all
[03:55] <typo> ian: what kernel config?
[03:55] <zeratha> Need a hand with a couple apps that don't start properly.....
[03:55] <typo> ian: I installed a 2.6.9-ac13 from kernel.org, not an ubuntu kernel
[03:55] <tomcat> I have a question though: How do I get spca50x (or spca5xx?) installed through synaptic? I've got an old intel cs430 webcam I'm trying to get recognized by linux... and I think that's the driver for it...
[03:55] <smouche> it's a little spooky; fan never seems to kick in.  I should push this thing in windows, check it out...
[03:56] <Wildthing> hello, does anyone here happen to use IRSSI?
[03:56] <smouche> what computer are you using, kkathman?  I didn't know about "auto cool".   Much better then gnome on my box.
[04:00] <smouche> yes, sander__, gnome, on my other laptop, athlon xp, really thrashed the cpu.  Couldn't use gimp at all on there...
[04:00] <black_Nightmare> kkath..mine is 300Amhz slot1, only 128MB right now
[04:00] <black_Nightmare> looking to find 2nd stick to get to 256MB total of ram :p
[04:00] <zeratha> All KDE based apps I install fail with a rather long, annoying error message. After installing kubuntu and logging into KDE I get this message: "Could not start process. Unable to create io-slave. Klauncher said Unknown protocol 'file'.
[04:00] <Cube-ness> hmm.. where BESIDES the font prefs would a gnome system font be set? I cant seem to change the app, menu, etc font anymore. well, i can make the change, and its reflected in the prefs, but no apps take the settings
[04:01] <kkathman> black:  Yeah Im going to splurge and spend $80 and get this little Celeron maxed out at 256MB HAHA
[04:01] <kkathman> only two DIMM slots for 128 each lol
[04:01] <rafaeldt> have any one experienced performance problems in xorg after updating to hoary ?
[04:01] <geneo93> hi Cube-ness
[04:01] <Cube-ness> hey
[04:02] <smouche> I don't really have enough ram for transparency.  500 megs -- moving translucent windows around is like sludge
[04:02] <geneo93> i'm stuck here with only a striped gnome
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> kkath.. $80 sounds a bit steep lol
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> mine 128MB stick upgrade (old stick long sold off) was only a few bucks from a local store some years ago :p
[04:02] <kkathman> its "crucial" memory I need to find something prolly less "reputable" hehe
[04:02] <geneo93> Cube-ness:  seems there is a problem with gnome menu
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> LOL kkath :))
[04:03] <kkathman> Crucial being the company..they love sticking it to ya
[04:03] <black_Nightmare> kkath...my small problem with locating the right ram is....
[04:03] <black_Nightmare> its quite an older fsb
[04:03] <kkathman> but its kind of a strange DIMM...way out of date I think
[04:03] <black_Nightmare> :p
[04:03] <kkathman> Crucial was the only people still selling it
[04:04] <black_Nightmare> well mine is one step behind the PC100 if you can guess what it is
[04:04] <kkathman> lol yeah I can definitely relate :)
[04:04] <geneo93> pc66
[04:04] <kkathman> I think this computer seriously only has a 100FSB
[04:05] <kkathman> but I got it for like $14.00
[04:05] <kkathman> cant argue with that
[04:05] <black_Nightmare> geneo..right
[04:05] <black_Nightmare> and the board refuses PC100 sticks so...there (tried once...fully refunded it...end of story!)
[04:06] <black_Nightmare> have to find a PC66 128MB again somewhere :p
[04:06] <kkathman> well crap, must not be any newer firefox in the archives :(
[04:06] <kkathman> 0.93 seems very old to me
[04:06] <kkathman> brb - dinner time
[04:06] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: if it's 168pin pc100 will probably work.  it'll just be reduced to PC66 speed.
[04:07] <Roey> hi
[04:07] <black_Nightmare> caffinated...I think its more of the chipset supporting both 66mhz and 100mhz for that to work
[04:07] <Roey> what's the procedure to get cpu/mobo temp sensors working?
[04:07] <black_Nightmare> I might be wrong thou but I tried once and board didn't even want to use the 'newer' ram stick
[04:07] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: i used to use PC133 ram in a PC100 board without any problems at all.
[04:07] <black_Nightmare> caffinated..thats only because most PC133 already can clock down to PC100
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> but PC66 seem to be its very own specifications
[04:08] <geneo93> PC133 will work also
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> or thats as far as I can tell
[04:08] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: well, i'd just find some and try.
[04:08] <BockBilbo> is it possible to remove a whole directory and the files it has inside with a single command in the shell?
[04:08] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: i'm fairly sure it'll work.
[04:08] <josue> anyone knows of a deb for nvu?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: rm -rf <directory>
[04:09] <BockBilbo> thnks
[04:09] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: but be *sure* :)
[04:09] <BockBilbo> yeah
[04:09] <BockBilbo> ;)
[04:09] <black_Nightmare> caffinated..hmm ok....one second
[04:11] <BockBilbo> and
[04:11] <BockBilbo> how do i do to copy a directory into another and allow overwrite?
[04:11] <BockBilbo> see... im upgrading a folder with some newer files
[04:11] <BockBilbo> and directories
[04:12] <alainm> BockBilbo: could you do a cp -R /olddir /newdir?
[04:13] <black_Nightmare> hmmm... $41cdn just for PC100 128MB 3.3V .. damn ... going to have to visit some stores in person and see if I can find anything cheaper
[04:13] <|QuaD-> anyone know why windows requires carriage returns?
[04:13] <Coily> when i install the firefox 1.0.2 tar.gz, should i use -C .mozilla/firefox or should i not use -C (assuming i want to instlal into my home dir)?
[04:13] <BockBilbo> trying that alainm thanks
[04:14] <Markrian> |QuaD-, what do you mean?
[04:14] <|QuaD-> text files
[04:14] <Coily> anyone?
[04:14] <WillySilly> where are the headers for cpp located for ubuntu?
[04:14] <tritium> Coily, there's an Hoary .deb of firefox 1.0.2
[04:14] <black_Nightmare> quad..even websites have carriage returns and it usually blotches up your clipboards
[04:14] <black_Nightmare> its stupid lol
[04:14] <Coily> tritium, im not seeing it
[04:14] <alainm> Coily:  what is -C?
[04:14] <Markrian> Coily, I'd suggest not installing firefox like that
[04:14] <Coily> alainm, directory=
[04:15] <Markrian> stick to APT
[04:15] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: hehe yeah, but why
[04:15] <black_Nightmare> no idea :p
[04:15] <tritium> Coily, it's in Hoary main
[04:15] <Coily> marcin_ant, i agree but im not seeing the debian package
[04:15] <Coily> tritium, ack oops hoary not sid :x
[04:15] <Markrian> Security fixes will be backported to Ubuntu's Firefox soon enough
[04:16] <Markrian> It's still a couple of weeks before release as well, so Firefox 1.0.2 might make it in as well
[04:16] <tritium> Markrian, it's in now
[04:16] <Nekohayo> yeah, just appeared today
[04:16] <WillySilly> where are the headers for cpp located for ubuntu?
[04:16] <Coily> tritium, im still using warty, im assuming the hoary package will be safe for me
[04:17] <Nekohayo> say, has anyone seen wine in the hoary repositories? mine disappeared, still stuck with the one from warty
[04:17] <Markrian> tritium, they do work fast, don't they
[04:17] <jordanau> anybody here use vsftpd???
[04:17] <tritium> Markrian, yep
[04:17] <Markrian> Coily, why bother?
[04:17] <Coily> Markrian, what do you mean
[04:17] <Coily> Markrian, er, why bother with what?
[04:18] <Markrian> Coily, Hoary will be released in two weeks, just wait for that and then you can upgrade all your pacakges
[04:18] <tritium> Coily, it'll pull in a bunch of Hoary packages if you install it
[04:18] <King_Crimson> i need serious help
[04:18] <Coily> tritium, ok well damn it's either the unsafe 1.0 or the performance failure 1.0.1
[04:18] <Nekohayo> oh too bad, I wanted to do funny helping
[04:18] <geneo93> gun shot wound
[04:19] <King_Crimson> lol
[04:19] <King_Crimson> well
[04:19] <Nekohayo> what's the matter?
[04:19] <Nekohayo> (problem, I mean)
[04:19] <King_Crimson> i tried installing ubuntu and creating a partiion
[04:19] <King_Crimson> but
[04:19] <King_Crimson> it wont let me change the partition
[04:19] <King_Crimson> like i click on partition #1. and i change the size, but it wont change
[04:19] <King_Crimson> it just stays at 40gb
[04:19] <Nekohayo> you have to do "write"
[04:19] <jordanau> dont you have to clear the partition
[04:19] <Nekohayo> it doesn't change anything until you tell it to do so
[04:20] <crimsun> Coily: warty or hoary?
[04:20] <King_Crimson> i dod press tha
[04:20] <King_Crimson> i did do write
[04:20] <Coily> crimsun, warty, i wouldnt have these problems if i was using hoary =[
[04:20] <King_Crimson> i have hoary
[04:20] <Nekohayo> hm, then like jordanau said, did you try clearing it?
[04:20] <crimsun> Coily: why not dist-upgrade to Hoary?
[04:20] <King_Crimson> dud i have windows on there i cnat delete it
[04:21] <Nekohayo> cleaning the linux partition
[04:21] <King_Crimson> i dont have one
[04:21] <Nekohayo> ..........WELL
[04:21] <King_Crimson> i only have 1
[04:21] <Nekohayo> XD how do you want linux to install on top of windows?
[04:21] <Coily> crimsun, i havea feeling this question has been answered a million times before but: is it seemless or should i consider a new partition?
[04:21] <WillySilly> where are the headers for cpp located for ubuntu?
[04:21] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: sounds like you ar trying to resize an ntfs partition - right?
[04:21] <King_Crimson> well i wanted to make the windows partition
[04:21] <King_Crimson> yeah
[04:21] <King_Crimson> exactly
[04:22] <crimsun> Coily: seamless.
[04:22] <Nekohayo> heh, I'll leave you in thoreauputic's more skilled hands ;)
[04:22] <King_Crimson> ok
[04:22] <Markrian> Coily, I believe Ubuntu back port fixes to firefox
[04:22] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: do you have Partition Magic?
[04:22] <King_Crimson> umm no
[04:22] <Nekohayo> anyone seen wine in hoary repositories?
[04:23] <tritium> Nekohayo, yes
[04:23] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: ntfs resizing is kind of tricky
[04:23] <WillySilly> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[04:23] <King_Crimson> y is that
[04:23] <Nekohayo> tritium, is it a special repo? I'm stuck with my warty version
[04:23] <jordanau> any of you use vsftpd
[04:23] <jordanau> ??
[04:23] <tritium> Nekohayo, it's in universe.  There's also winehq.com
[04:23] <Nekohayo> nope sorry
[04:23] <Coily> Markrian, not for warty...
[04:23] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: I think the qtparted program can do it - if you have a knoppix disc it's on that
[04:24] <Markrian> Coily, what do you mean?
[04:24] <King_Crimson> umm
[04:24] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: also Win XP tends to have unmovable crufy at the end of its partition
[04:24] <King_Crimson> i have the ubuntu live cd
[04:24] <thoreauputic> *cruft
[04:24] <Coily> Markrian, the warty backports does not have upgrades to firefox
[04:25] <King_Crimson> so ur saying i cant have linux = wndows?
[04:25] <King_Crimson> *+
[04:25] <jordanau> yes you can
[04:25] <tritium> King_Crimson, not in the same partition, though
[04:25] <King_Crimson> o
[04:25] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: no, I'm not saying that
[04:25] <jordanau> i am dual booting right now
[04:25] <King_Crimson> yeah i no not in the same partition
[04:25] <Nekohayo> tritium, oooh I just found out my problem while looking at the versions! the current hoary is a 2004xx xx, and mine is likely a warty backport (2005 11 11)... however, I thought I had kicked off the backports when I did my dist ugprade ?_? (I followed a guide about this)... so hoary backports are used for this, or I have to wait for an update here?
[04:25] <jordanau> right
[04:25] <King_Crimson> i just wanna no how to dual boot
[04:25] <Coily> jordanau, omgomg M$
[04:25] <jordanau> haha half life 2 man sorry
[04:26] <Coily> jordanau, haha same reason here ='[
[04:26] <tritium> Nekohayo, I've never touched backports.  You should uninstall it and install the Hoary version if you're in Hoary now.
[04:26] <jordanau> i am not going to spend 5 dollars more a month for not 100% support in cedega
[04:26] <Markrian> Well, I don't mean backports, just security fixes. Fixes of later versions are applied to current apps
[04:27] <jordanau> plus i spent 100 dollars on windows, i can;t just throw it away :-)
[04:27] <Nekohayo> tritium, but it does work for now however... is hoary still stuck with the 2004 12 01 version? might not be worth the downgrade
[04:27] <jordanau> king krimson
[04:27] <Coily> the only times ive booted into xp was to either apply security upgrades or for directx progs
[04:27] <King_Crimson> wut
[04:27] <jordanau> King_Crimson, how big is your hard drive?
[04:27] <Markrian> People still buy Windows? :
[04:27] <tritium> Nekohayo, yes, that's the current version in Hoary
[04:27] <Markrian> p
[04:28] <King_Crimson> 40 gb
[04:28] <King_Crimson> but realy 37.5
[04:28] <tezza> is the latest kernel for hoary the 2.6.10 one?
[04:28] <King_Crimson> or something, 37. something
[04:28] <tritium> yes
[04:28] <jordanau> is it filled up?
[04:28] <King_Crimson> .2
[04:28] <Nekohayo> tritium, thanks
[04:28] <King_Crimson> no i have 4.10 gb left
[04:28] <tritium> Nekohayo, there are newer ones on the way soon
[04:29] <jordanau> that not gonna be alot...
[04:29] <jordanau> i personally would do this...
[04:29] <King_Crimson> yeah i no that the comps almost 5 years old
[04:29] <King_Crimson> yeah i no removable hd
[04:29] <jordanau> I would reforman and reinstall windows
[04:29] <tomcat> Hey all, I'm trying to get the spca5xx driver onto a new ubuntu install... new linux user here and Im stuck with the tar.gz file downloaded...
[04:29] <jordanau> *reformat
[04:29] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: that's enough to install ubuntu - but you'll only have about 2gigs space left
[04:29] <tritium> King_Crimson, s/no/know ;)
[04:29] <tomcat> What's the command to extract tar.gz?
[04:30] <King_Crimson> thats ok
[04:30] <tritium> tar zxvf file.tar.gz
[04:30] <thoreauputic> tomcat: tar xvzf <file>
[04:30] <King_Crimson> i dunt mind
[04:30] <steven123> Hi
[04:30] <Nekohayo> tritium, cool ;) and do you have an idea if we'll be able to test the scary xorg eyecandy (front page currently on osnews.com) ?
[04:30] <tomcat> tanks guys!
[04:30] <steven123> I just recieved my order of unbuntu cd(s)
[04:30] <steven123> and i wwant to switch over to Unbuntu
[04:30] <tritium> Nekohayo, I haven't seen it.  What is it?
[04:30] <steven123> what games can i play on ubuntu. I play CS, HL2, Steam, Americas army,
[04:30] <jordanau> what windows version??
[04:30] <Nekohayo> tritium, go take a look, well I find that scary.. first time I see this :) wobbling windows
[04:30] <steven123> Can i play these in Ubuntu
[04:31] <King_Crimson> xp
[04:31] <jordanau> steven123, all of them but you will need cedega
[04:31] <steven123> FreE?
[04:31] <steven123> Or Pay
[04:31] <jordanau> pay
[04:31] <King_Crimson> so wat do i do?
[04:31] <jordanau> $5 per month
[04:31] <Nekohayo> SteveA_, america's army has a linux version too
[04:31] <steven123> ok
[04:31] <steven123> cedege nevermind
[04:31] <steven123> i found a torrent
[04:31] <steven123> lol ok
[04:31] <steven123> How about Media
[04:32] <Nekohayo> media?
[04:32] <steven123> Yes
[04:32] <geneo93> King_Crimson:  find a bootleg copy of PM
[04:32] <steven123> .WMV files
[04:32] <jordanau> King_Crimson, fdisk and create a windows partition and then install windows
[04:32] <steven123> Can i install WIndows media player 10 in Ubuntu
[04:32] <jordanau> King_Crimson, can you do that?
[04:32] <King_Crimson> wat
[04:32] <Nekohayo> tritium, it's about Luminocity window manager & Cairo
[04:32] <tritium> Nekohayo, ok
[04:32] <King_Crimson> jordanau: u have aim?
[04:32] <thoreauputic> steven123: um..no
[04:32] <Grexo> when will the new ubuntu website design be live? :)
[04:32] <steven123> Then how i watch stuff?
[04:32] <jordanau> no
[04:32] <King_Crimson> o
[04:32] <King_Crimson> well
[04:32] <King_Crimson> how do i fdisk
[04:32] <steven123> How do i burn a DVD /backit up in Ubuntu?
[04:33] <King_Crimson> i dunt wanna delete all the stuff on my hard drive
[04:33] <Nekohayo> steven123, you don't need windows software for everything
[04:33] <King_Crimson> i just wanna resize the windows partition
[04:33] <jordanau> King_Crimson, join this room #jordanau
[04:33] <arnon> what's ubuntu? some kind of bleeding edge version for debian ?
[04:33] <Nekohayo> there are LOTS of differents apps for every tastes
[04:33] <King_Crimson> yes
[04:33] <thoreauputic> steven123: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats << how to get wmv working
[04:33] <skora> hehe...
[04:33] <Roey> *
[04:33] <Roey> er
[04:33] <Roey> yes
[04:33] <Roey> *.
[04:34] <Roey> heh, sorry:
[04:34] <steven123> ok
[04:34] <skora> stevie, there's different ways of playing media, different programs.
[04:34] <Roey> how do I get rid of evms managing a device?  I don't want evms managing /boot.
[04:34] <skora> linux = lots of choices
[04:34] <Roey> (I selected something right as the text scrolled by)
[04:34] <steven123> What do i sacrifice if i move to Ubuntu?
[04:34] <robster> steven123: only 3 goats.
[04:35] <steven123> what?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> steven123: depends what you want/need to do
[04:35] <steven123> So if i move to ubuntu i can still play games and stufF?
[04:35] <steven123> well i'm just a 13 year old, doing Homework, Games, and Chatting
[04:36] <steven123> ubuntu good idea?
[04:36] <King_Crimson> yes
[04:36] <thoreauputic> steven123: homework=yes chatting=yes games= mostly
[04:36] <alainm> yes
[04:36] <King_Crimson> it comes with openoffice, firefox, and gimp
[04:36] <madel> steven123, yes, with GNU/linux you can do almost anything, and ubuntu is very user-friendly to make the change
[04:36] <steven123> Alright GOODY!
[04:36] <Nekohayo> steven123, only if you are really enthousiastic and have spare time to work on your issues ;)
[04:36] <steven123> How about Virus/Adware/Spyware/Shit/Popups?
[04:37] <alainm> a thing of the past
[04:37] <Nekohayo> steven123, none for now
[04:37] <steven123> ok
[04:37] <steven123> Is Ubuntu the "best" idea?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> steven123: you need to do some research and reading - use the search function on ubuntulinux.org
[04:37] <alainm> i love it..
[04:37] <steven123> he he i know i'm just fooking around
[04:37] <Nekohayo> there's no such thing as "best" :)
[04:37] <steven123> anyway
[04:37] <Ycros> that depends on your definition of best
[04:37] <madel> steven123,  there are no virus/spyware...in GNU/Linux
[04:37] <Nekohayo> maybe... "less suckier" XD?
[04:37] <steven123> So Ubuntu based oN Debian... Are their any good Debian Software
[04:37] <Nekohayo> madel, for now.
[04:37] <Coily> im having problems finding the firefox 1.0.2 (or 1.0.1) warty backport, can someone give me the repository?
[04:37] <steven123> wondering
[04:38] <steven123> there is DEBIAN software?
[04:38] <Nekohayo> what do you mean?
[04:38] <crimsun> steven123: look in universe and multiverse
[04:38] <steven123> Debian popular?
[04:38] <thoreauputic> steven123: there are thousands of software choices
[04:38] <Coily> anyone?
[04:38] <Nekohayo> not only debian-specific
[04:38] <steven123> so then
[04:38] <steven123> i can't say
[04:38] <steven123> use Mandarke 10.1 Software on DEbian?
[04:38] <cleit0n> alguem fala portugues?
[04:39] <Nekohayo> steven123,
[04:39] <geneo93> steven123:  some
[04:39] <skora> steve, all the linux software is based on the source.
[04:39] <thoreauputic> steven123: you don't need to - the same stuff is available for Ubuntu
[04:39] <Nekohayo> something you must understand
[04:39] <Nekohayo> software is not LOCKED into a distro
[04:39] <BockBilbo> cleit0n, #ubuntu-pt
[04:39] <Coily> repeating:
[04:39] <BockBilbo> ;)
[04:39] <Coily> im having problems finding the firefox 1.0.2 (or 1.0.1) warty backport, can someone give me the repository?
[04:39] <skora> however, the source can be packaged in different ways: RPM, DEB, etc.
[04:39] <steven123> Ok guys
[04:39] <Nekohayo> Coily, tried ubuntuguide.com?
[04:39] <steven123> Last Question
[04:39] <skora> k
[04:39] <Yomic> Why do I have to install so many libraries to install this one program *_*. This is pissing me off >_<
[04:40] <Nekohayo> .org, sorry
[04:40] <steven123> CAn i burn DVD or make copies in Unbuntu?
[04:40] <Yomic> (Prog is parted)
[04:40] <Nekohayo> yes
[04:40] <skora> don't worry steve, i was in your position a few years ago.
[04:40] <Coily> Nekohayo, yup, i have all the repositories there added
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Coily: is there a burning reason to need it? the wrty firefox has security patches, you know
[04:40] <Nekohayo> you can do anything that another os does
[04:40] <steven123> CAn i burn DVD or make copies in Unbuntu?
[04:40] <Nekohayo> steven123, you can do anything that another os does
[04:40] <Yomic> steven: Stop repeating yourself; and yes, you can >_<
[04:40] <Nekohayo> doing some research for which app you prefer
[04:40] <Coily> thoreauputic, the burning reason i need it is because of the security patches...
[04:40] <steven123> ok
[04:40] <steven123> so if i installk ubuntu
[04:41] <steven123> i can burn dvd right away download software
[04:41] <Nekohayo> steven123, TRY THE LIVECD!
[04:41] <steven123> i did
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Coily: well, warty has updated security on firefox
[04:41] <steven123> well OK i'll use it he he
[04:41] <tritium> steven123, you're doing a lot of repeating
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Coily: just not the version as such
[04:41] <Coily> thoreauputic, youre saying the gif exploits are patched in warty?
[04:41] <jordanau> any vsftpd users here?
[04:42] <Coily> thoreauputic, and the javascript exploits...
[04:42] <steven123> i worry a lot
[04:42] <Nekohayo> steven123, everything has a reason, if it doesn't work out of the box, search in the forums or something
[04:42] <steven123> Anyway
[04:42] <steven123> i going to give this ubuntu a try
[04:42] <bung__> i AM going.
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Coily: I don't know the specifics - but firefox, like all other warty apps, gets security updates
[04:42] <bung__> GET security update
[04:42] <bung__> s
[04:42] <bung__> _
[04:43] <bung__> wait, ignore me.
[04:43] <steven123> i reading Ubuntu Review
[04:43] <steven123> bad scores
[04:43] <steven123> 5 comign out son
[04:43] <Coily> thoreauputic, well 1.0.2 was released today so...
[04:43] <steven123> I GOTTA ORDER
[04:43] <bung__> I hate alcholol
[04:43] <bung__> just like I hate your face
[04:43] <thoreauputic> steven123: in the end, you have to make up your own mind
[04:44] <steven123> bah ok guys
[04:44] <Coily> i realy just need to find the wart backports repository
[04:44] <steven123> HMm cedega
[04:44] <Coily> warty
[04:44] <steven123> i come back after installing
[04:44] <thoreauputic> Coily: have you done an update/upgrade today? if firefox is included, the patch has been applied
[04:44] <tezza> what package do i need if i want to recompile the ubuntu kernel ?
[04:44] <Coily> thoreauputic, just did a minute ago
[04:45] <Ghostfacekilla> my Ubuntu seems happy right now
[04:45] <Yomic> Is there a package download that I missed somewhere that prevents me from having to download all these libs to install this one single program?
[04:45] <thoreauputic> Coily: I think you are worrying unduly for no real reason, frankly
[04:45] <tezza> yo hmms
[04:45] <Coily> the 1.0.1 backports package was released ON MARCH 15, i had to go through debian to get the package
[04:45] <steven123> FUCKING AWEsome
[04:46] <steven123> opps.. sorry for the bad word.
[04:46] <steven123> found a guide that answered my questions
[04:46] <tritium> Yomic, are you using apt-get to install it?
[04:46] <steven123> GOODY
[04:46] <Coily> even though jdong, from the ubuntuforums, said he released it for warty i can not find it
[04:46] <steven123> thank u guys
[04:46] <Yomic> No, I'm using ./conigure
[04:46] <tritium> Coily, don't panic.
[04:46] <thoreauputic> Coily: I think you may be confusing versions with updates ?
[04:46] <Yomic> .configure *
[04:47] <tritium> Yomic, if you compile your own software, you have to install the libraries you need.
[04:47] <Yomic> :/
[04:48] <typo> should I use polypaudio?
[04:48] <tritium> Yomic, if you get the ubuntu source package, it's easy with apt-get build-dep
[04:48] <Coily> well here's the facts: a package for firefox 1.0.1 has been released, i can not find the package using apt-get update
[04:48] <Coily> id like to know what repository i must add
[04:48] <tritium> Yomic, if you're not using an ubuntu source package, then your'e not tied into apt, and you have to get the build-dependencies yourself
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Coily: of course not - the warty version is like 0.93 - but it gets patches for secuity issues
[04:49] <eyequeue> i thought warty-backports was closed now.  i just got 8 pacakges from warty-backports !
[04:49] <eyequeue> any ideas why?
[04:49] <bung__> it hates you
[04:49] <tritium> Coily, your concern seems to warrant dist-upgrading to Hoary.
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> what does restricted mean in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:50] <Yomic> I see; thanks.
[04:50] <bung__> isn't restricted non-free or something?
[04:50] <Coily> hmm
[04:50] <eyequeue> Coily:  Get:8 http://backports.ubuntuforums.org warty-backports/main mozilla-firefox 1.0.1-2ubuntu1~4.10ubp1 [9374kB]
[04:50] <tritium> LeeJunFan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[04:50] <Coily> eyequeue, thank you that was what i was looking for
[04:50] <eyequeue> Coily:  meaning it's available in warty-backports, if you choose not to go to hoary at present
[04:50] <Coily> a direct answer to my question wow
[04:51] <tritium> Coily, backports are not recommended.  They will make upgrading to Hoary a PITA
[04:51] <mello> how do i install the latest nvidia drivers?
[04:51] <eyequeue> Coily:  see https://ubuntulinux.oorg/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu :)
[04:51] <Coily> tritium, i see
[04:51] <eyequeue> tritium:  allegedly that's no longer the case (numbering changes?)
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> tritium: doh... thanks.. I was thinking it was an arg. I forgot there could be more than one src on a line.
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Coily: you got direct anwers - they just weren't what you wanted to hear
[04:51] <tritium> LeeJunFan, :)
[04:52] <tritium> eyequeue, it's still the case
[04:52] <jordanau> guys i am pretty stuck here
[04:52] <eyequeue> tritium:  in any case, there's a "back out of backports" method right at the top of the forum about it, right?
[04:52] <tritium> eyequeue, no idea.  I don't touch backports
[04:53] <eyequeue> tritium:  all of the forum posts i've read about it seemed to indicate that the dpkg in hoary handles numbering differently now? (hence no longer is an issue)
[04:53] <jordanau> I am running vsftpd and have an ftp server up and running, unfortunately, i can't find where the folder where my ftp stuff is located
[04:53] <Coily> i should point out that i already did the unrecommended 'installing mozilla.org's tar.gz', so i may already be looking at these problems
[04:53] <tritium> eyequeue, the problems are more complicated than just version numbers
[04:55] <|QuaD-> jordanau: i don't have vsftpd on my comp, but did you check the config file?
[04:56] <jordanau> yeah i cant find anything
[04:56] <jordanau> |QuaD-,
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Coily: if you installed the tar.gz to your home dir or /usr/local or sinilar, you should be OK
[04:56] <geneo93> maybe we need split channel one for hoary and one for warty
[04:56] <|QuaD-> jordanau: another thing you can do if you REALLY can't find a config file, is upload something to is, sudo updatedb, locate *filename*
[04:57] <Coily> thoreauputic, whew, ive gotten semi-used to breaking linux installs but avoiding them is nice
[04:57] <jordanau> no i have found the config file okay
[04:57] <madel> hi there...
[04:57] <|QuaD-> jordanau: its gotta be in there
[04:57] <|QuaD-> if you want to post it online somewhere, i can take a look
[04:57] <madel> what is the equivalent to do a rpm -ql  in debian/ubuntu
[04:58] <jordanau> i have an idea
[04:58] <Grexo> woah
[04:58] <jordanau>  join this chat #jordanau
[04:58] <Grexo> no more electricity bills
[04:58] <Grexo> free energy is real
[04:58] <|QuaD-> jordanau: put it ina pastebin
[04:58] <Grexo> :)
[04:58] <Grexo> ubuntu on a computer running free energy :-)
[04:58] <LinuxNIT> can you get xfce4 in ubuntu?
[04:58] <Grexo> amazing
[05:00] <thoreauputic> madel: what did you want to do? tell us that and we can give you a command, probably ( not many here would be familiar with rpm)
[05:00] <jordanau> pastebin?
[05:01] <madel> thoreauputic, I did a apt-get install  quake2, but now want to know what files did that command install
[05:01] <bung__> dpkg -L quake2
[05:01] <bung__> presumably
[05:02] <eyequeue> madel:  dpkg -L quake2
[05:02] <eyequeue> er, yeah :)
[05:02] <jordanau> |QuaD-, I got it fixed thank you for your help,
[05:03] <|QuaD-> np
[05:03] <jordanau> how would i link all of my music files from /media/windows to /home/ftp ??
[05:04] <jordanau> that way people could read them from ftp and i won't have to waste diskspace copying them to a whole new folder
[05:04] <|QuaD-> ln -s
[05:05] <thoreauputic> ln -s /media/windows  /home/ftp  presumably
[05:05] <eyequeue> will all ftpds honour a symlink?
[05:05] <eyequeue> or will he need o check some config file?  (i don't run any ftps, just know symlinks can be an issue elsewhere)
[05:06] <|QuaD-> eyequeue: my guess is its a line in the config
[05:06] <bung__> eww ftp
[05:06] <Desolate> umm, would anyone happen to know why I don't have X11 in /etc/?
[05:06] <bung__> you're on crack!
[05:06] <jordanau> eyequeue, we will find out in a minute and i will be sure to let you know :-)
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Desolate: you don't have an X server installed?
[05:07] <Desolate> why wouldn't I?
[05:07] <Desolate> I don't recall even messing with that in the ubuntu install
[05:07] <bung__> yep
[05:07] <bung__> crack
[05:07] <eyequeue> Desolate:  warty of hoary?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Desolate: well, if X is running, you most definitely have X11 in /etc
[05:08] <eyequeue> Desolate:  warty oR hoary?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: either way, he would have an X11 dir in /etc
[05:09] <eyequeue> Desolate:  apt-get install xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg if on hoary)
[05:09] <bung__> ...unless he's on crack...
[05:09] <Desolate> oh, I'm running it on Virtual PC btw
[05:09] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  i'm not usre he is though, he's on mirc to get here
[05:09] <bung__> I think you're taking this crack problem of his a bit lightly
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Desolate: that's an upper case X, BTW
[05:10] <Desolate> warty btw
[05:10] <jordanau> The folder "Music" linked and showed up on my server but i get a 550 failed to change directory
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Desolate:  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is probably what you're looking for
[05:11] <|QuaD-> jordanau: make sure permissions are right
[05:11] <Desolate> yes except I don't have X11 :p
[05:11] <typo> should I use apache or apache2?
[05:11] <Desolate> I'll try apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[05:11] <eyequeue> Desolate:  sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[05:11] <jedi> with all these lovely kernel updates, my grub boot list is growing quite long. If i edit menu.lst it will just be regenerated next time another kernel update occurs... how would i go about remove these older kernels?
[05:11] <typo> php4 seams to drag apache2 along
[05:11] <thoreauputic> Desolate: not possible unless you have no xserver installed
[05:11] <Fackamato> :o
[05:11] <geneo93> Desolate:  in terminal type cd /etc/X11
[05:11] <eyequeue> Desolate:  that command will likely bring in a number of other pacakges, if you really don't have that dir
[05:11] <Desolate> which is, I guess, what the case is then, thoreauputic
[05:11] <jordanau> |QuaD-, is the permission created when linking?
[05:12] <eyequeue> typo:  apache2 is the "default" in ubuntu from what i've encountered
[05:12] <Desolate> alright eyequeue, I'll try it
[05:12] <thoreauputic> Desolate: in which case you would be staring at a prompt on tty1
[05:12] <|QuaD-> jordanau: make sure the link and the actuall folder (and files) are atleast read only to everyone
[05:12] <jordanau> may i ask how to check that?
[05:12] <eyequeue> Desolate:  are you a previous linux user?
[05:12] <Desolate> nope
[05:12] <|QuaD-> ls -l
[05:13] <Desolate> this is wierd
[05:13] <Desolate> "xserver-xfree86 is already the newest version"
[05:13] <jordanau> drwxrwxrwx that is the windows directory
[05:13] <jordanau> so we are okay
[05:13] <jordanau> how do i check the link?
[05:14] <|QuaD-> got to the directory, ls-l
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Desolate: umm... you are making some kind of mistake then - /etc/X11 *must* be there
[05:14] <|QuaD-> * ls -l
[05:14] <eyequeue> Desolate:  okay, if you have a graphical user intferface (icons, mouse, etc) then you have X11 running, and hence that directory .... and if you don't know linux from elsewhere, i suspect you would not be comfortable at a commandline ... so, i'm unclear
[05:14] <Coily> since i installed mozilla's 1.0 tar.gz, will i need to do anything extra before upgrading to hoary?
[05:14] <Desolate> eyequeue: I need it to config Virtual PC to 16bit depth
[05:14] <Desolate> instead of 24, which it does not support
[05:14] <eyequeue> Desolate:  as has already been mentioned, i'll repeat:  it is   /etc/X11/   not   /etc/x11/
[05:15] <thoreauputic> Coily: where did you install it? and did you make any symlinks ?
[05:15] <Desolate> aha
[05:15] <Desolate> hehe, ok that solved it :P
[05:15] <Desolate> I feel stupid now, thanks :D
[05:15] <thoreauputic> Desolate: I told you that about 10 minutes ago
[05:15] <Desolate> sorry, I didn't see it
[05:16] <Desolate> had 4 people talking to me at once :p
[05:16] <Coily> thoreauputic, my home dir. i only made a link to the executable
[05:16] <thoreauputic> Coily: should be fine then
[05:16] <jordanau> |QuaD-, lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     nogroup        21 2005-03-23 22:08 Music -> /media/windows/Music/
[05:16] <jordanau> that is the link
[05:16] <|QuaD-> jordanau: and it still doesn't work?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> Coily: it won't affect your apt stuff - it's independent
[05:16] <jordanau> you want to try
[05:17] <Coily> thoreauputic, gotcha
[05:17] <eyequeue> Desolate:  99% of linux is uppercase, you just stumbled across an exception :)  that said, it is always case-*sensitive* :)
[05:17] <|QuaD-> jordanau: i trust you... did you look in the config file?
[05:17] <Desolate> ah, well thanks
[05:17] <Desolate> I'm a total linux noob :P
[05:17] <jordanau> |QuaD-, for info on linking?
[05:17] <Coily> thoreauputic, should i just try the same thing with mozilla's 1.0.2? if i dont want to upgrade to hoary that is
[05:17] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: heh - I think you meant "lower case" ?
[05:17] <|QuaD-> jordanau: yeah
[05:17] <jordanau> let me check
[05:17] <eyequeue> Desolate:  ugh, retract that ... 99% of linux is *lower*case, heh
[05:18] <thoreauputic> Coily: you can do that, sure
[05:18] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  yeah thanks, i caught it after i sent it ... no need to confuse him further, eh? :)
[05:18] <karsten> what's the supported upgrade path from Debian woody = Ubuntu?  Hoary or Warty?
[05:19] <geneo93> sarge
[05:19] <typo> humm, I installed in english and then told it I was in portugal. It added en_PT to the locale which drives perl nuts. Is this a bug?
[05:19] <thoreauputic> karsten: there isn't a "supported" path, AFAIK :)
[05:19] <eyequeue> karsten:  at this point, for a week or so, i'd say warty is more likely, even though it's not officially supported
[05:20] <karsten> thoreauputic: IIRC there was an item on the Wiki about it.
[05:20] <thoreauputic> karsten: hmm... OK... I guess it's possible - as far as I know, it's not encouraged ;)
[05:21] <eyequeue> karsten:  as a point of interest, i can say i saw someone in here yesterday who had problems because he upgraded from sid to warty, and an ubuntu pacakge version didn't get upgraded, and he got bit (sid's version was missing a file that ubuntus version had, and some other package needed that)
[05:21] <eyequeue> karsten:  sheesh, he went from sid to hoary, sorry
[05:21] <thoreauputic> karsten: but if you're the karsten I'm thinking you are, you will know how to avoid the pitfalls
[05:21] <eyequeue> what's with me tonight?
[05:21] <karsten> thoreauputic: Got someone trying an Debian install w/ ls-120 superdisk, floppy, various rootfs issues.  My recommendation is to either put the HD in another system or another system's CD in this one.
[05:22] <karsten> thoreauputic: I can.  The n00b I'm assisting may not ;-)
[05:22] <thoreauputic> karsten: :)
[05:22] <giard> hi all
[05:22] <karsten> eyequeue: <shudder>
[05:22] <giard> :)
[05:22] <giard> has anyone had any problems with apache2 recently?
[05:22] <eyequeue> i'd suggest heading to stable, then making the step up if you want :)
[05:22] <jdub> karsten: there's no *supported* upgrade path from woody, but either warty or hoary should work ok (helps if whoever's doing it is comfortable with big debian upgrades)
[05:22] <karsten> thoreauputic: Yo're you IRL?
[05:22] <giard> recent updates seems to be giving me trouble with php4 and mysql
[05:22] <karsten> thoreauputic: s/Yo/who/
[05:23] <eyequeue> giard:  the warty version has been working for me here
[05:23] <karsten> jdub: Thanks.
[05:23] <jordanau> |QuaD-, i don't see anything in the manpages of the confiq file under symbolic links or links
[05:23] <giard> eyequeue: cool
[05:23] <karsten> jdub: gnome is f*cke seven ways from sunday, BTW.
[05:23] <giard> anyone using hoary?
[05:23] <thoreauputic> karsten: sorry I lost you there ?
[05:23] <eyequeue> giard:  "recent updates" implies you may be on hoary though, and i can't speak to that
[05:23] <Fackamato> <- hairy hoary
[05:23] <typo> pt_PT.UTF-8@euro isn't generated although it is selected as LC_CTYPE
[05:24] <karsten> thoreauputic: Where do I know you from?
[05:24] <karsten> thoreauputic: ...or vice versa.
[05:24] <thoreauputic> karsten: a /whois tells me who you are and I've red some of your stuff :)
[05:24] <thoreauputic> 8read
[05:24] <thoreauputic> haha
[05:24] <thoreauputic> *read
[05:24] <NormD> giard: I've installed the pre-release from cd and upgraded from there.
[05:24] <karsten> thoreauputic: OK.
[05:25] <giard> when I try to call mysql_connect, the php page dies with "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in..."
[05:25] <karsten> thoreauputic: I get that a lot ;-)
[05:25] <NormD> err..."updated", I suppose is more accurate.
[05:25] <giard> it only seems to not work recently
[05:25] <eyequeue> karsten:  run in fear, even i seem to recognize your name from somewhere, you're infamous :)  (though i just associate it with debian, nothing specific)
[05:26] <karsten> eyequeue: That seems to be my problem.  My name is associated with nothing specific.
[05:26] <giard> could it be something having to do with installing phpmyadmin?
[05:26] <andrewski> anyone have periodic freezes?
[05:27] <eyequeue> lol., no, it's that i'm not heavily immersed, though i guess i'd associate branden with x, things like that, i don't know any of the majority of the faces and their contributions
[05:27] <jordanau> thoreauputic, would the following command help with my problem??? mount --bind /path/you/want/to/include /path/to/vsftpd/docroot/subdir
[05:27] <karsten> thoreauputic: Wrote the book, kthx
[05:27] <thoreauputic> karsten: hehe
[05:27] <karsten> andrewski: How's your swap situation?
[05:28] <giard> nevermind
[05:28] <giard> sigh
[05:28] <andrewski> karsten: none used (at present), don't know about when it freezes, but i have a gig...
[05:28] <giard> I figured it out
[05:28] <giard> thanks
[05:28] <thoreauputic> jordanau: to be totally honest , I haven't a clue
[05:28] <jordanau> actually better question, can i hurt anything doing that?
[05:28] <Yomic> How can I put short-cuts in my Applications -> Subgroup?
[05:28] <karsten> andrewski: ...and what's freezing.  Whole desktop?  Whole system?  Specific apps?
[05:29] <andrewski> karsten: mpd still plays, grip still rips, mouse moves, but nothing responds and i can't ctrl+alt+f1 to the CLI.
[05:31] <akk> andrewski: Keyboard lockup, possibly?
[05:31] <eyequeue> Yomic:  shortcuts?
[05:31] <andrewski> akk: no, the mouse doesn't respond either, just moves.
[05:32] <akk> USB keyboard and mouse?  I wonder if a USB lockup could cause mouse clicks to fail while mouse movement worked?
[05:33] <eyequeue> Yomic:  if you mean a launcher, i can tell you how in warty, but i'm told it's different in hoary
[05:33] <eyequeue> Yomic:  which are you running?
[05:33] <akk> We have a machine that periodically gets usb lockup (keyboard stops working, so does the PDA cradle; no mouse, it's a server).
[05:34] <andrewski> akk: usb mouse.
[05:34] <andrewski> akk: but it still tracks when it freezes. :)
[05:35] <arc_> does anyone knows why gnome-cups-manager package has the smb browsing deactivated?
[05:35] <Inva|id> I am trying to find the kernel header files to install the spca5xx driver, but I don't see any for my kernel : 2.6.10-4-386
[05:35] <Inva|id> any suggestions?
[05:36] <eyequeue> arc_:  wild guess, do you ave full smb support installed?  (i know nothing of it personally)
[05:36] <arc_> eyequeue: yes, that's not the problem
[05:36] <eyequeue> arc_:  at a minimum it would need botht the libraries and the tools pacakges
[05:37] <benjie> hey, rhythmbox is crashing when I try to load it in ubuntu, anyone know how to solve this?
[05:37] <arc_> eyequeue: both libsmbclient and smbclient installed
[05:37] <akk> andrewski: Do you have another machine, so you could telnet/ssh in and poke around, see if the machine is responding to the net?
[05:37] <arc_> eyequeue: I think that the package is not compiled to support that
[05:37] <eyequeue> arc_:  okay, since i have neither a printer nor smb here, i have no further ideas, good luck
[05:37] <andrewski> akk: i could set it up to do that next time it freezes.  should i look at top?
[05:38] <arc_> eyequeue: thanks
[05:38] <eyequeue> i do wish this laptop had a parallel port though, seems odd to have no option to print
[05:38] <arc_> hum
[05:38] <Cube-ness> Ok.. weird.. Is there some weird networking issue lately? suddenly a lot of networky apps dont work.. like not being able to bind <IP_ADDRESS> and such.. and WHAT is sit0?
[05:38] <arc_> eyequeue no usb port either?
[05:39] <jordanau> thoreauputic, that mount i just made, I need to change the permissions how do i do that?
[05:39] <eyequeue> arc_:  i have 4 of those, heh
[05:39] <Yomic> eyequeue: warty
[05:39] <arc_> eyequeue: there are usb printers :)
[05:39] <thoreauputic> jordanau: chmod
[05:39] <eyequeue> Yomic:  okay, step one, Applcations > run application
[05:39] <thoreauputic> jordanau: or chown for ownership
[05:39] <akk> andrewski: If you can get in, that tells you something (kernel is okay).  Then I might look at dmesg,
[05:39] <andrewski> akk: to check for hw?
[05:39] <eyequeue> Yomic:  in the dialog box that popos up, type "applications:///" and yes that's a tripe slash :)
[05:39] <akk> andrewski: or maybe try other usb stuff (plug in an external storage device or a second mouse or something).
[05:40] <oggb4mp3> Is there a way to change the size of the GNOME system font?  I have changed all font sizes to 8pt in font configuration, but menu and othe stuff is still big
[05:40] <oggb4mp3> like 12 pt
[05:40] <eyequeue> Yomic:  browse through the gui to the subdir you want to be in, and then select "new launcher" or similar phrase
[05:40] <oggb4mp3> I have been all through gconf looking for a setting
[05:40] <oggb4mp3> to no avail
[05:40] <andrewski> akk: seems like it could be X, since my music daemon keeps running.
[05:40] <eyequeue> Yomic:  the rest should be self-evident, but ask if confused
[05:40] <Yomic> Okay, thanks :)
[05:41] <helio7> hey all; i'm trying to get quicktime to work as a plugin through firefox, and one step in the process is deleting "~/.mozilla//pluginreg.dat" where is that?  Any idea why there are two slashes?
[05:41] <akk> andrewski: Oh, could be.  I was thinking ctl-alt-Fn failing meant it wasn't X, but maybe X locks up the kbd and won't let those events get to the kernel.
[05:41] <eyequeue> Yomic:  i'm told "applications:///" went away in gnome 2.10 (==hoary) so add what you want to the menus now? heh
[05:41] <andrewski> akk: dunno.  we'll see next time. :)
[05:41] <Yomic> ;)
[05:41] <eyequeue> anyone here know what the hoary equivalent is?
[05:42] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: there isn't one