[07:03] <flaccid> Emess: please also show the command you ran in the pastebin otherwise we don't know what you did
[07:04] <intelikey> Kiongku yeah.  you can kill X and as root do a rm -r /root  and restart X
[07:04] <Random_Transit> Alter-Ego, ubu won't boot
[07:04] <Emess> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:04] <Emess> acpid is a dependency for it
[07:04] <flaccid> Emess: i assume you didn't try installing the packages separately then
[07:04] <Alter-Ego> Random_Transit: need more information.  what did you do, what happens at boot time, etc.
[07:04] <Random_Transit> Alter-Ego, i upgraded by changing my sources.list to point to the edgy repos
[07:04] <Vipercat> how long should kubuntu edgy take to install approx
[07:05] <Kiongku> intelikey: kill X.. what was the code to kil and restart again forgot
[07:05] <Alter-Ego> and then
[07:05] <ketsugi> ctrl-alt-bksp
[07:05] <Emess> flaccid: no, i wasnt sure how to
[07:05] <Shirakawasuna> hi
[07:05] <KooL4444> Vipercat, just took me about 30 min to install from cd
[07:05] <intelikey> Kiongku sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop      and start
[07:05] <Jucato> Kiongku: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[07:05] <Jucato> or that
[07:05] <flaccid> Emess: i'll pastebin for you
[07:05] <Shirakawasuna> if I get kubuntu 6.10 LTS does that mean I'm stuck with a long-term thing or is that just a way of saying 'this is a fancy release that will be supported for a long time, do with it what you like'?
[07:06] <xsacha> oh ok that 166 isnt a showstopper, just it's the only error that appears for people having troubles :lol:
[07:06] <ketsugi> 6.10 is LTS? I thought only 6.06 was LTS
[07:06] <Alter-Ego> Random_Transit: and then ?
[07:06] <Vipercat> im starting with an unpartitioned disk .. do i need to do anything to it first ?
[07:06] <Random_Transit> Alter-Ego, and then, when all was said and done, i rebooted...and one of the things ubu said on startup was something about not being able to load a driver somewhere
[07:06] <Shirakawasuna> ketsugi: perhaps you're right, lemme go see again
[07:06] <intelikey> Jucato not jsut reset it. that will cause problems cause it's (kdm is) busy writing to /root
[07:06] <Shirakawasuna> ketsugi: ah, so it is, whoops :)
[07:06] <Alter-Ego> so you are working from another pc ?
[07:06] <Shirakawasuna> n/m on the LTS ;)
[07:06] <Jucato> intelikey: aah
[07:06] <flaccid> Emess:  can i pm you?
[07:06] <StarScream> hi guys, having a little issue with edgy. I'm running kubuntu / fresh install of edgy on a g3 800 mhz ibook. I've had dapper and warty running fine on it and i know 3.5.5 is much less cpu / memory hungry than previous kde releases
[07:06] <Alter-Ego> Random_Transit: so you are working from another pc ?
[07:07] <StarScream> but its running really slowly
[07:07] <Emess> flaccid: yes
[07:07] <Random_Transit> no, from another distro
[07:07] <ketsugi> anyway to answer your question Shirakawasuna
[07:07] <ketsugi> it's the latter
[07:07] <StarScream> mainly on HDD access
[07:07] <ketsugi> most Ubuntu releases have like a 1yr support life time or 3yr or something, I forget
[07:07] <Alter-Ego> Random_Transit: so grub is working
[07:07] <StarScream> i've tried  running hdparm with various different options
[07:07] <ketsugi> the LTS releases have a much longer support lifetime
[07:07] <Random_Transit> yes
[07:07] <StarScream> and it isn't any faster / slower than dapper
[07:07] <Vipercat> yep
[07:07] <Random_Transit> GRUB is running off of the other distro
[07:07] <StarScream> really only have issues in X11/kde
[07:07] <Jucato> ketsugi: regular = 18 months. LTS = 3 years (desktop) or 5 years (server)
[07:08] <Alter-Ego> Random_Transit: will *buntu load at all, or does it stop and give you the error about the driver
[07:08] <ketsugi> yeah, what he said
[07:08] <Jucato> hehe
[07:08] <xsacha> Kiongku: is kdesud running?
[07:08] <Random_Transit> Alter-Ego, it TRIES to boot...looks as if it is...and then, just when you think GDM is going to start up...it shuts itself down and reboots
[07:09] <Jucato> hm... GDM?
[07:09] <Random_Transit> err
[07:09] <Random_Transit> KDM
[07:09] <xsacha> lol
[07:10] <Alter-Ego> Random_Transit: you have your /home directory on a seperate partition ?
[07:10] <StarScream> is there any information i can give you guys to make it eaiser to assist. i'm not entirely sure where to go from here.
[07:10] <intelikey> you did something fnacey in a konsole to restart it ?   and when it tries to restore the session it restores the reboot command ?     (i have seen that.)
[07:11] <xsacha> lol
[07:11] <Random_Transit> Alter-Ego...yes, thankfully
[07:12] <Alter-Ego> Random_Transit: don't know.
[07:12] <Random_Transit> crap.
[07:13] <Alter-Ego> if it were me, i would install fresh
[07:13] <Lam_> is there a way to bind my keyboard's suspend key to start the screensaver?
[07:13] <Random_Transit> crap.
[07:14] <Alter-Ego> i have three machines, the laptop krashed, the desktop upgraded with trouble and a fresh install is fine, cept i have to reset my repositories, etc.
[07:14] <Alter-Ego> i always have a seperate /home directory and a seperate /data directory (mysql db, html docs, etc.)
[07:14] <intelikey> Random_Transit you havent been playing with 'update-rc.d'  or the gui equlivent have you ?
[07:15] <Kiongku> intelikey: duh no result
[07:15] <Kiongku> tell me is there a way to completely reinstall kde back to default?
[07:15] <xsacha> Kiongku: is kdesud running?
[07:15] <Kiongku> nope
[07:15] <Lam_> what's the terminal command to invoke the screensaver?
[07:15] <xsacha> it needs to be running
[07:15] <Random_Transit> intelikey, nope
[07:15] <Kiongku> oh that one
[07:15] <Kiongku> yeah kdesud is running
[07:16] <xsacha> k
[07:16] <intelikey> Jucato eeek why you say something when i do things like that ^  "equlivent"   ;/
[07:16] <Jucato> huh?
[07:17] <intelikey> nm   :)
[07:17] <Jucato> :P
[07:17] <Jucato> I remember my promise
[07:17] <Jucato> (actually I was busy reading something else lol!)
[07:17] <jay> YES!!!   You CAN lock a specific version with kubuntu!  Thank you for providing me with the proper search term... Google took care of the rest. :)
[07:17] <Random_Transit> i have a saved backup of my sources.list where everything points to dapper....is there anyway i could just swap that version out and just downgrade??
[07:18] <xsacha> !lock
[07:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:18] <KooL4444> how do i install gedit on kubuntu?
[07:18] <xsacha> ew why you want gedit?
[07:18] <Random_Transit> nano > gedit
[07:18] <Lam_> i prefer kate
[07:18] <KooL4444> every website i see uses gedit
[07:18] <unix_infidel> KooL4444: apt-get install gedit.
[07:18] <xsacha> gedit is just an editor
[07:19] <xsacha> any editor will work
[07:19] <Lam_> KooL4444: try kate instead of gedit as a substitute
[07:19] <Kiongku> darn it
[07:19] <Jucato> gedit isn't on KDE/Kubuntu
[07:19] <flaccid> gedit sux
[07:19] <unix_infidel> KooL4444: however, it is better to use a more advanced text editor, like vim, emacs, or kate.
[07:19] <flaccid> sorry to say
[07:19] <Kiongku> after one day i already have to reinstall
[07:19] <intelikey> Random_Transit sorry apt doesn't play that game.   it's version++ only any version-- you have to specify exactly what you want.
[07:19] <Lam_> flaccid: i agree, gedit is rather lacking, especially when compared to kate
[07:19] <KooL4444> so how do i use kate when i type the gedit command?
[07:19] <Jucato> KooL4444: you just substitute gedit for the text editor that you have installed
[07:19] <xsacha> KooL4444: i suggest replacing anywhere you see with 'gedit' with 'kate'
[07:19] <KooL4444> oh ok
[07:19] <Jucato> KooL4444: usually something like "kdesu kate"
[07:20] <unix_infidel> KooL4444: i still dont get what you mean when you say most websites i see use gedit?
[07:20] <KooL4444> whats kdesu?
[07:20] <Jucato> Kiongku: and please, don't use sudo (or gksudo) when using with kate
[07:20] <Jucato> !kdesu | KooL4444
[07:20] <ubotu> KooL4444: In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[07:20] <Lam_> almost all help sites are designed for ubuntu, therefore gedit as its editor
[07:20] <xsacha> howto websites he means, that edit files
[07:20] <intelikey> !sudo | KooL4444
[07:20] <ubotu> KooL4444: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:20] <KooL4444> on all the websites i visit about ubuntu it alsways uses the gedit command
[07:20] <Kiongku> Jucato: i'm going back for a revamp
[07:20] <xsacha> that's ubuntu that uses gnome, this is kubuntu that uses kde
[07:21] <Kiongku> seems more trouble to go find the specific arror
[07:21] <Jucato> KooL4444: it's because Ubuntu uses GNOME, and gedit is a GNOME app
[07:21] <Jucato> Kiongku: :(
[07:21] <xsacha> ubuntu comes with gedit, kubuntu comes with kate as the sort of equivalent gui text editor
[07:21] <Kiongku> *error
[07:21] <intelikey> KooL4444 gnome has gedit  kde has kate/kwrite/kedit   and both have nano
[07:21] <Lam_> equivalent is such a strong word in that context
[07:21] <KooL4444> oh ic now, thats the big difference huh?
[07:21] <ketsugi> gedit? kate?
[07:21] <Jucato> (and vim)
[07:21] <ketsugi> I just vi :)
[07:21] <Jucato> KooL4444: yes
[07:21] <ketsugi> vim, technically :)
[07:21] <KooL4444> gnome and kde
[07:21] <Kiongku> hmm
[07:22] <Jucato> KooL4444: Ubuntu = GNOME, uses gedit, and gksudo. Kubuntu = KDE, uses kate, and kdesu
[07:22] <KooL4444> whats so different in gnome from kde?
[07:22] <xsacha> by the way, no kedit with default packages on kubuntu?
[07:22] <Jucato> xsacha: nope
[07:22] <ketsugi> KooL4444: Generally, Gnome is simpler, requires a bit less configuration, but isn't as customisable
[07:22] <KooL4444> oh ok
[07:22] <Lam_> is there a way to start my screensaver by binding it to a keyboard key?
[07:22] <ketsugi> that's my impression, anyway
[07:22] <intelikey> xsacha no but the 'kde' meta-package installes kedit
[07:22] <ketsugi> I'm sure others will disagree
[07:22] <Jucato> classic definition, but not really 100% accurate :)
[07:23] <aseigo> ... lacks many features and most integration type features
[07:23] <Jucato> intelikey: and a whole load of other stuff :)
[07:23] <KooL4444> so "kdesu kate blah blah blah" is that how i edit files?
[07:23] <Lam_> found it! nvm
[07:23] <intelikey> Jucato but not as much as kubuntu-desktop does  :)
[07:23] <Jucato> ah yes, GNOME isn't as integrated as KDE is :)
[07:23] <Random_Transit> okay....this is interesting...i'm chrooted into ubu's environment....and i decided it might be good measure to try doing a dpkg --configure -a to see if there are some unconfiged packages...turns out there are...
[07:23] <Jucato> intelikey: err... you sure about that? :P
[07:23] <Random_Transit> even more interesting is this....
[07:23] <intelikey> yep
[07:23] <xsacha> KooL4444: yes
[07:23] <unix_infidel> Random_Transit: you're tryign to repair a edgy upgrade?
[07:23] <KooL4444> tyvm
[07:24] <Jucato> intelikey: care to check again?
[07:24] <Random_Transit> unix_infidel, yes
[07:24] <KooL4444> gonna try install beryl again, wish me luck
[07:24] <Random_Transit> Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/makedev ...
[07:24] <Random_Transit> /sbin/MAKEDEV: warning: can't read /proc/devices
[07:24] <Random_Transit> /sbin/MAKEDEV: warning: can't read /proc/devices
[07:24] <Random_Transit> /sbin/MAKEDEV: warning: can't read /proc/devices
[07:24] <Random_Transit> /sbin/MAKEDEV: warning: can't read /proc/devices
[07:24] <Jucato> intelikey: look at it's depends
[07:24] <unix_infidel> !pastebin | Random_Transit
[07:24] <ubotu> Random_Transit: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:24] <Jucato> !pastebin | Random_Transit
[07:24] <Random_Transit> oops
[07:24] <Jucato> lol
[07:24] <Random_Transit> sorry
[07:24] <intelikey> Jucato have.  i am refering to mbites not file count tho
[07:24] <jay> Kool4444:  Maybe its just my personal preference, but I NEVER use anything but nano to edit system files.
[07:24] <Jucato> intelikey: I said loads of stuff, not larger sizes :)
[07:25] <unix_infidel> Random_Transit: from what i've seen, its better to do a clean install than an upgrade.
[07:25] <xsacha> jay: just personal preference :P i use vim
[07:25] <Jucato> meaning, loads of stuff you probably won't need :)
[07:25] <jay> Although, maybe I'm just "old school" :  NEVER use gui as root.
[07:25] <Random_Transit> sweet muthafrakker....there's actually a lot of unconfigged packages here.....
[07:25] <unix_infidel> Random_Transit: its possible, just not well documented enough for ME to even recommend it.
[07:25] <Random_Transit> unix_infidel, duly noted
[07:25] <unix_infidel> or do it on my own production boxes.
[07:26] <KooL4444> is fglrx installed on Edgy?
[07:26] <Kiongku> darn it now automount refuses to work
[07:26] <Jucato> KooL4444: no
[07:26] <Random_Transit> i guess my first mistake was even attempting to do the upgrade from within ubu
[07:27] <unix_infidel> Random_Transit: just backup your home directory and the needed rc files from / and do a clean install.
[07:27] <unix_infidel> shouldnt take more than an hour, tops.
[07:27] <Random_Transit> well, we'll see how this works out
[07:27] <flaccid> installs are quick. upgrades are very long.
[07:27] <Alter-Ego> flaccid: i agree
[07:28] <Kiongku> zzzz..
[07:28] <Alter-Ego> i did an install while using the live cd on the same machine, that was nice
[07:28] <Jucato> intelikey: sorry, never got DCC to work here...
[07:28] <Random_Transit> my fault for jumping into edgy only a couple days after launch
[07:28] <redtricycle> I looked at the kubuntu change list
[07:28] <redtricycle> I'd do it if I still had my laptop though..
[07:28] <jay> flaccid: you aren't KIDDING!  upgraded from Dapper to Edgy.... took HOURS.
[07:28] <Jucato> unix_infidel: there will be more bleeding edge stuff on edgy+1 though...
[07:28] <redtricycle> hah
[07:28] <xsacha> unix_infidel clean install to feisty fawn or upgrade?
[07:28] <redtricycle> im having trouble getting cups working over network
[07:28] <Lam_> what's the best way to access a folder under root?  i had a folder set in gnome to not grant access unless you were root
[07:28] <unix_infidel> Jucato: upgrading doesnt mean dist-upgrade...it just means upgrading.
[07:28] <redtricycle> looked at a couple of guides
[07:28] <KooL4444> how do i install fglrx?
[07:28] <Random_Transit> when does edgy+1 drop???
[07:28] <redtricycle> and it's not helping..
[07:28] <Jucato> unix_infidel: ah :)
[07:29] <Jucato> !ati > KooL4444
[07:29] <redtricycle> In six more months, Random_Transit?
[07:29] <intelikey> the list is more than 10x as long for the deps on kubuntu-desktop than for kde Jucato
[07:29] <Random_Transit> hmm
[07:29] <unix_infidel> yea, about 6
[07:29] <xsacha> Random_Transit: edgy was released ~3 days ago.. releases are every 6 months, so feisty is out in 6 months
[07:29] <Jucato> Lam_: command line, or launch Konqueror as root ("kdesu konqueror")
[07:29] <Lam_> Jucato: ok thanks
[07:29] <Jucato> intelikey: oh? :)
[07:29] <Jucato> intelikey: then I seat corrected :)
[07:30] <intelikey> :)
[07:30] <seishinbyou> Heh, I installed Xubuntu 6.10 for fun, and it actually took more disk space when it was finally installed than Kubuntu 6.10...odd
[07:30] <Kiongku> intelikey:
[07:30] <Kiongku> does kdm do anythign special apart login?
[07:30] <Jucato> seishinbyou: that shouldn't be the case afaik.. weird...
[07:30] <Jucato> Kiongku: logout :)
[07:31] <xsacha> lol
[07:31] <Kiongku> no apart that
[07:31] <intelikey> writes in your /root dir
[07:31] <seishinbyou> Jucato: I know, but that was the case when it finished.  Something like 1.87 gigs to 1.94
[07:31] <Jucato> manage sessions I guess
[07:31] <Kiongku> i messed up with kdm but cant think thats the only reason why kdesu is having hiccups
[07:31] <Kiongku> hmm
[07:31] <Kiongku> oks.
[07:31] <xsacha> the big logout menu only appears in KDM, otherwise you just get an end session i think
[07:31] <seishinbyou> Doesn't matter; Kubuntu is my desktop and I have vmwared machines for work and fun
[07:32] <Kiongku> for console login
[07:32] <seishinbyou> Windows 3.11 forever
[07:32] <DrZoot> well adept has given me the shits for the last time, bonvoyage all, im back to gentoo
[07:32] <Kiongku> my login name and password does not work
[07:32] <xsacha> ^o)
[07:32] <intelikey> replace kdm with xdm and see what happens.
[07:32] <Jucato> DrZoot: have you tried something else? like Synaptic or apt-get?
[07:32] <Jucato> Adept isn't really the best thing in the world right now
[07:32] <Kiongku> never mind it.. cleaning and coming abck
[07:32] <Kiongku> then access each error
[07:33] <DrZoot> Jucato: yeah ive tried apt-get (i migrated from debian so ive used synaptic a fair bit) but the whole thing just rubs me the wrong way
[07:34] <intelikey> DrZoot you could "emerge" everything in gentoo's distro
[07:34] <Jucato> DrZoot: ah I see. any particular problems?
[07:34] <jay> DrZoot:  I also used Gentoo for years... it certainly took getting used to when I switched to Kubuntu
[07:35] <xsacha> CRUX ftw
[07:35] <Random_Transit> DrZoot, i use both ubu and gentoo (actually i'm using gentoo right now to repair my broken edgy install)
[07:35] <DrZoot> Jucato: Well tbh, its a bit slow. Apart from that and my growing dislike for adept, Im beginning to remeber all the reasons why I liked gentoo somuch
[07:35] <Kiongku> intelikey: know about e17?
[07:35] <Random_Transit> DrZoot, here here...
[07:36] <intelikey> Kiongku no.
[07:36] <Jucato> DrZoot: I don't like Adept that much either. about the slowness, have you tried using other mirrors?
[07:36] <seishinbyou> Well, the Gentoo cow did look more like a cow than the debian/ubuntu "cow" in apt-get
[07:36] <Jucato> seishinbyou: agreed :)
[07:36] <intelikey> cow ?
[07:36] <seishinbyou> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125
[07:36] <seishinbyou> that cow
[07:37] <Kiongku> probably messed up from there
[07:37] <DrZoot> Jucato: I mean system slowness, its not exactly super quick. With gentoo if something doesnt run as fast as I want I know there are a bundle of steps I can take to make it run quicker, where as ubu with its precompiled packages is a bit more difficult
[07:37] <Kiongku> BRB... hope i can arrange everything back to norm
[07:37] <Jucato> DrZoot: well, that's the trade off you get for precompiled packages I guess
[07:37] <momal> whats a godo quick program to convert .sub subtitles to .srt ones
[07:38] <Edge888> Hi guys, what is the repository of PLF?
[07:38] <Jucato> !plf
[07:38] <ubotu> PLF is the Penguin Liberation Front. For more info see: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf. PLF is down indefinitely pending a new maintainer; see http://plf.zarb.org/. see also !seveas
[07:38] <xsacha> LOL
[07:38] <Lam_> that's hot
[07:38] <DrZoot> Jucato: yeah, Im not really complaining, its just not a trade off that I can live with, personal preference more than anything
[07:38] <DrZoot> Jucato: cant*
[07:39] <Jucato> DrZoot: you can always compile everything I guess. Ubuntu does provide the deb-src
[07:39] <jay> DrZoot: Check out http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html ... it might help you out in that department. :)
[07:39] <Edge888> thanks a lot :D
[07:39] <intelikey> Jucato make guntoo out of ubuntu.....  <blinks??
[07:40] <Jucato> intelikey: well, I'm *almost* doing it, by installing bits and pieces of stuff only (no kubuntu-desktop for me)
[07:40] <DrZoot> Jucato: yeah I had a look at compiling from source with apt-src and friends when I was running debian sid but its just not worth the effort, gentoo handles it all much better.
[07:40] <seishinbyou> gubuntu ahoy
[07:41] <intelikey> no no i'm talking about the "you can always compile everything I guess."   ^   O.o
[07:41] <Jucato> DrZoot: yeah. Gentoo is really meant for that kind of stuff you want :)
[07:41] <Jucato> intelikey: "I guess"
[07:41] <seishinbyou> Hardest part with adoption of Linux in this office is that everyone *really really* likes the WinXP interface and can't imagine anything else.    Of course they are brainwashed to love WinXP
[07:42] <Jucato> hahah
[07:42] <jay> Wow, seishinbyou.... WinXP is the reason I'm a Linux user... I hated it.
[07:42] <Jucato> seishinbyou: haven't they gotten tired of the same look over and over and over and over and over again?
[07:43] <Homer> yeah the windows ui blows
[07:43] <seishinbyou> jay: no complaints here.  I despise it too, myself
[07:43] <intelikey> jay....  brother, where you been ?
[07:43] <intelikey> :)
[07:43] <Homer> especially that blue default theme
[07:43] <Homer> yuck
[07:43] <seishinbyou> Jucato: Japanese salaryman lifestyle is all about doing the same thing over and over and over...
[07:43] <seishinbyou> Work harder, not smarter
[07:43] <Jucato> er...
[07:43] <KooL4444> whats the command to check if fglrx is running?
[07:43] <Jucato> :(
[07:44] <seishinbyou> Well, to be fair, the ones in this office aren't *that* bad.  KDDI and Hitachi were the worst
[07:44] <intelikey> KooL4444 pidof <any-command>
[07:44] <jay> Now.. if we can just get an SPSS client for Linux....
[07:44] <Jucato> intelikey: fglrx is the ATI binary driver...
[07:45] <intelikey> Jucato it not have a process id ?
[07:45] <Jucato> intelikey: afaik, no. that would be strange
[07:45] <Jucato> well, nvidia doesn't
[07:45] <momal> whats a good quick program to convert .sub subtitles to .srt ones
[07:46] <intelikey> oh you mean driver/module
[07:46] <Jucato> yesh
[07:46] <Lam_> is there a way to change the sort preference in kopete to ignore status and sort alphabetically?
[07:46] <intelikey> hehhe ok.  no pids there.  lsmod  for kernel modules not sure outside the kernel....
[07:47] <momal> is it possible to have say english and japanese language pages installed and change between them like clicking a button ?
[07:47] <kazaru> hello any one know why my cursor disappears when xserver is restarted?
[07:47] <intelikey> momal yep
[07:47] <momal> how?
[07:47] <intelikey> i new you were going to ask that......
[07:48] <intelikey> s/new/knew/
[07:48] <Jucato> intelikey: tell it to KooL4444. lsmod | grep something?
[07:48] <jay> KooL4444:  Try lsmod | grep fglrx
[07:48] <intelikey> Jucato is it inserted into the kernel or just used by x ?
[07:48] <KooL4444> nothing
[07:49] <Jucato> intelikey: err.. don't know. how do binary drivers work?
[07:49] <intelikey> if it's not inserted into the kernel that wont show.
[07:49] <Jucato> KooL4444: have you restarted X after installing fglrx?
[07:49] <KooL4444> yeh
[07:49] <jay> Just a thought.. it worked for me ... except it was grep nvidia.
[07:49] <intelikey> xorg should have a function and possably even a veriable set  that will tell you what driver it's using.
[07:50] <KooL4444> so i should look in there for fglrx?
[07:50] <Jucato> KooL4444: you can look in System Settings -> Monitor & Display -> Hardware tab to check what driver is being use
[07:50] <Jucato> s/use/used
[07:51] <intelikey> s/.*/*d/   :)
[07:51] <KooL4444> nice, yeh its using fglrx, gonna try beryl now
[07:51] <intelikey> patch the roof....
[07:52] <Jucato> we tried. the darn carpenter can't see where the leak is coming from..
[07:52] <intelikey> dpkg --patch roof roof.tgz
[07:52] <Jucato> lol
[07:52] <intelikey> :)
[07:52] <Jucato> if it were only that easy
[07:53] <intelikey> that's not even a working command  but the joke worked.
[07:53] <Jucato> this is weird.. hm... restarting Konvi "again"
[07:54] <sebastian22> hi. I need some help. When i see youtube videos or flash in general they look very bad, not fluid at all
[07:55] <sebastian22> hello?
[07:55] <intelikey> Jucato why all the reconnects ?  issues with the client ?
[07:55] <Jucato> intelikey: sound notification acting a bit weird..
[07:55] <Jucato> this is what you get for kustomized installs :P
[07:56] <sebastian22> any help please
[07:56] <intelikey>  !i
[07:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:56] <intelikey> \!i
[07:56] <Jucato> ??
[07:57] <intelikey> jucato  !i == not I   @  sebastian22    but the stupid bot reacted to it....
[07:58] <maltaethiron> lol
[07:58] <Jucato> ah
[07:59] <intelikey> i put a space before the !   but ubotus must have missed that....
[07:59] <Jucato> maybe it ignores leading whitespaces
[08:00] <intelikey> i guess.   seems to.    most likely does.      yep.    sure enough.
[08:00] <sebastian22> I heard something about giving more memory or something to flash?
[08:00] <intelikey> !flash
[08:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:00] <Jucato> !flash sound
[08:00] <intelikey> nothing specific on flash
[08:01] <maltaethiron> guys, is flash 9 out yet?  ive kinda not been paying attention lately
[08:01] <intelikey> sebastian22 that doesn't mean there is not a wiki on it.  that just means we have not info node refering to it...  try searching on the wiki's
[08:01] <Jucato> !flash 9
[08:01] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[08:01] <maltaethiron> rock on
[08:02] <seishinbyou> what do you want to put rocks on?
[08:02] <maltaethiron> oh, you know
[08:02] <Jucato> lol
[08:02] <intelikey> notice that is *BETA*
[08:03] <sebastian22> I have flash 9 installed
[08:03] <seishinbyou> Yeah, like the word "BETA" has ever stopped anyone here before
[08:03] <sebastian22> the problem is that my videos look with cuts on it
[08:03] <intelikey> just want you to know.  so when you have issues with it....
[08:04] <maltaethiron> is gmail still labled as beta really?
[08:04] <maltaethiron> wow
[08:04] <seishinbyou> I don't mind so much because I only install/test on non-mission critical systems anyways
[08:04] <Random_Transit> i think they're just too damn lazy to change it
[08:04] <Jucato> ok sound notifications gone again...
[08:04] <intelikey> so are several things you wouldn't expect.
[08:04] <seishinbyou> Who cares if it sets itself on fire and kills 300 salarymen
[08:04] <Jucato> must be arts...
[08:06] <intelikey> hehhe i just noticed that this box is a hybird ?buntu   the desktop is obviously nome but all the apps in the menus are k*  hehhe i must have set it up....
[08:06] <Jucato> ah there... it's back :)
[08:07] <Jucato> this box, on the other hand, is pure :P
[08:07] <Jucato> hm... actually no... I think I got a few GNOME-ish stuff installed here, because of depends...
[08:07] <intelikey> thuro-bread ?  (:
[08:08] <Jucato> huh?
[08:08] <Jucato> thoroughbred?
[08:08] <intelikey> phonitic  yes.
[08:08] <Jucato> lol
[08:08] <KooL4444> ok just followed the directions to install beryl, and restrted my computer, now it get to the login screen, i login and it goes to a blank screen for 1sec then back to the login screen. did i miss somthin?
[08:08] <Jucato> I wasn't trying to correct you...
[08:09] <Jucato> !beryl
[08:09] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[08:09] <intelikey> i know.
[08:12] <KooL4444> no one else has had this problem?
[08:12] <seishinbyou> When I had that problem, it was a problem with my xorg.conf file
[08:12] <intelikey> KooL4444 !i
[08:12] <seishinbyou> specifically, lines pertaining to glx
[08:12] <Jucato> KooL4444: you could probably try asking in #ubuntu-xgl, as this might be related to that
[08:13] <KooL4444> yeh im trying, doesnt seem like there are as many ppl there
[08:14] <Jucato> considering timezones... I'm not surprised..
[08:14] <seishinbyou> Since I am morbidly lazy when it comes to this stuff, though, I always just keep a backup of a working xorg.conf and replace it whenever anything goes wrong
[08:14] <KooL4444> i know how i can get it to work back to normal, but i cant get beryl to work
[08:15] <seishinbyou> I could c&p my xorg.conf file, though I don't know how much good that would do you
[08:16] <KooL4444> thats all i got so i would appreciate it
[08:16] <KooL4444> ill just compare
[08:16] <seishinbyou> Okay, how do I use this pastebin thing...
[08:16] <seishinbyou> !pastebin
[08:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:17] <seishinbyou> just a sec
[08:18] <Raminagrobis> hello
[08:18] <Raminagrobis> i've got a litte problem
[08:19] <Raminagrobis> On my hard disk, there is only one tiny fat32 partition (20go) i can access to to from both linux and windows (
[08:19] <seishinbyou> KooL4444: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29320/
[08:20] <Raminagrobis> i've got a free 60 go ntfs partition i'd like to reformat in fat32 to share it between both OS too but windows doesn't want to
[08:20] <seishinbyou> I have some really messed up hardware, though, so sorry for any confusion in advance
[08:20] <Raminagrobis> is 60 go too big for FAT32 ?
[08:20] <kraut> moin
[08:21] <Jucato> Raminagrobis: afaik, yes
[08:21] <Jucato> FAT32 has a limit of 32GB iirc
[08:21] <Kiongku> duh
[08:21] <Kiongku> clena install
[08:21] <KooL4444> ty seichinbyou
[08:21] <Kiongku> *clean .. kdesu seems to be working now
[08:21] <Raminagrobis> 32 gb!
[08:21] <Raminagrobis> it's tiny
[08:21] <Kiongku> i'm back..
[08:21] <Jucato> Kiongku: welcome back to the edge
[08:21] <Kiongku> lol i hope i can cling to it.. last time i fell over the edge XD
[08:21] <Jucato> yeah
[08:21] <Jucato> over the hedge
[08:22] <Jucato> I mean edge
[08:22] <Raminagrobis> so how to you manage wshen you have a 450 Gb HD and you install linux??
[08:22] <Jucato> Raminagrobis: I'm not entirely sure of that 32GB limit
[08:22] <Jucato> but that's what happened the last time I tried
[08:23] <seishinbyou> The same way when you have a 750GB drive, just install it
[08:23] <Raminagrobis> seems to,  windows accept to reformat my 20 go partition in fat 32 but not my 40 and my 60
[08:23] <Raminagrobis> yu make dozens of partitions?
[08:23] <seishinbyou> Nope
[08:23] <seishinbyou> I don't use FAT32
[08:24] <Raminagrobis> But i want my partitions to be useable brom linux and windows
[08:24] <Jucato> Raminagrobis: I think there's a program, forgot the name, something like fs-driver, that allows you to read/write to ext3 partitions in XP
[08:25] <Raminagrobis> ok
[08:25] <Raminagrobis> but there is nothing better that fat32 that allow a 'native' share (r/wp) between xp and linux?
[08:26] <seishinbyou> oops, Konversation went *poop*
[08:26] <Jucato> it went krap?
[08:26] <seishinbyou> Yeah, it krashed
[08:26] <Jucato> ah.. :(
[08:28] <Kiongku> Jucato: hey.. if u logout while konversation , etc is still open.. do u get signit?
[08:28] <Kiongku> seems they do not close properly if logout immediately..
[08:28] <intelikey> "<Jucato> Raminagrobis: I think there's a program, forgot the name,"  there is also an extfsexplorer for that other os.
[08:28] <Kiongku> intelikey: yo back on the edge..
[08:28] <Jucato> intelikey: does it allow write access?
[08:29] <intelikey> i think so....
[08:29] <Jucato> intelikey: not sure. I don't like to set "Restore form previous session on"
[08:29] <Raminagrobis> ok thanks
[08:29] <intelikey> you know i don't do windows
[08:29] <wedgeV> i have a problem with konsole, sometimes it doesnt scroll with the application output
[08:29] <Raminagrobis> too bad, microsoft could integrate sda3 since it's open code :-p
[08:29] <Kiongku> sda3?
[08:29] <Jucato> sda3?
[08:29] <Kiongku> !sad3
[08:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sad3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:29] <Kiongku> !sda3
[08:30] <Jucato> I think he meant ext3 Kiongku
[08:30] <Raminagrobis> ext3
[08:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sda3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:30] <Kiongku> hahaha
[08:30] <Raminagrobis> bye
[08:30] <Raminagrobis> a+
[08:30] <Kiongku> b
[08:30] <Jucato> F
[08:30] <intelikey> q
[08:30] <Kiongku> hey intelikey .. kdesu kate in konsole = freeze..
[08:31] <intelikey> Kiongku nice.  how did you manage that ?
[08:31] <Kiongku> no idea..
[08:31] <DHGE> Raminagrobis: ext3 is not a solution if you use characters like Umlauts
[08:31] <Jucato> lol
[08:31] <DHGE> fat neither
[08:31] <DHGE> use ntfs-3g
[08:31] <Kiongku> may be kdesu sometimes hates me
[08:32] <intelikey> ntfs-3g   ???   have link?
[08:32] <Kiongku> to open adept.. sometimes need to open it twice or thrice for kdesu to appear -_-
[08:32] <DHGE> http://www.linux-ntfs.org/
[08:32] <DHGE> it is in universe
[08:32] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g
[08:32] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Dapper installation instructions http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710
[08:32] <intelikey> Kiongku   kdesu echo yes    if it barks yes back at you it's not kdesu.
[08:32] <Jucato> Kiongku: happens to me sometimes as well
[08:33] <KooL4444> # Start GNOME
[08:33] <KooL4444> exec gnome-session
[08:33] <DHGE> now I use VMWARE for windows and link via SMB-shares to common data
[08:33] <Jucato> intelikey: what if it moos yes back?
[08:33] <KooL4444> i thought kubuntu doesnt use gnome?
[08:33] <Jucato> it doesn't
[08:33] <KooL4444> how come beryl uses that command?
[08:33] <Kiongku> intelikey: i hate that dog.. but it does bark back..
[08:33] <intelikey> then it's a sick puppy Jucato  :)
[08:34] <Kiongku> duh
[08:34] <Kiongku> intelikey: www.get-e.org thats the thing i was tinking with before my system run amocks XD
[08:34] <keyo> hey how do i enable root login
[08:34] <Kiongku> put it was not supposed to since i put it separately
[08:34] <ketsugi> KooL4444: If you want to use KDE use `exec startkde` instead
[08:34] <Kiongku> p/put/but
[08:35] <Jucato> !RootSudo
[08:35] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:35] <Jucato> keyo: ^^^^^
[08:35] <keyo> sudo did not work
[08:35] <Jucato> keyo: did not work where?
[08:35] <intelikey> Kiongku i don't know anything about e##  so i'll have to pass,
[08:35] <KooL4444> ketsugi, that is a command in the .Xsession file to start Beryl
[08:35] <ketsugi> yeah
[08:36] <KooL4444> should i change it to what you said?
[08:36] <ketsugi> use startkde if you want KDE
[08:36] <ketsugi> gnome-session if you want Gnome
[08:36] <KooL4444> gotcha kk
[08:36] <KooL4444> ill try it
[08:36] <keyo> i burnt the image for the new kubuntu cd and tryed to install it by running cdromupgrade
[08:37] <Kiongku> intelikey: yah
[08:37] <keyo> permissions denied, i set the location with cd and then used sudo ./cdrom.... to run it
[08:37] <Jucato> Kiongku: E17?
[08:37] <Jucato> keyo: tried to install it where?
[08:38] <wombat_> heheh, I got it :D
[08:39] <weedar> Does anyone else have trouble with FF 2.0 crashing randomly/all the time in Edgy?
[08:39] <Kiongku> Jucato: yep.
[08:39] <keyo> its beta isnt it
[08:39] <Jucato> keyo: what do you mean? Edgy has been released
[08:39] <KooL4444> ketsugi: so i put in there, "exec startkde"?
[08:40] <keyo> i know that
[08:40] <Jucato> Kiongku: hm... you might want to wait for Hawkwind to wake up as he's the e17 expert
[08:40] <keyo> never mind
[08:40] <Motorhead> hai
[08:40] <KooL4444> or  just "startkde" ??
[08:40] <ketsugi> exec startkde
[08:40] <Jucato> keyo: anyway, that RootSudo link has instructions for what you wanted to do
[08:40] <KooL4444> k
[08:40] <Jucato> I'm just not sure if it's the solution to your problem
[08:41] <keyo> i'm just sick of passwords every 2min, i thought i had enabled it in the settings obviously not though
[08:42] <Jucato> iirc it was 5 mins...
[08:42] <nix-noob> umm, question: is there any other difference between ubuntu and kubuntu besides the fact that it uses KDE insted of gnome?
[08:42] <mulder> I cannot type anything when I open a new root shell in the konsole. Anyone who can help me?
[08:42] <keyo> yes, default applications
[08:43] <Lam_> is there a way to change the sort preference in kopete to ignore status and sort alphabetically?
[08:43] <Jucato> mulder: the terminal doesn't echo the password that you type
[08:43] <keyo> #kopete
[08:43] <mulder>  basically nothing can't be typed Jucato
[08:43] <nix-noob> the defult apps are part of KDE, eg konq insted of natulus?
[08:43] <Jucato> mulder: when you try to enter your password?
[08:43] <DHGE> nix-noob: the CDs come with *either* - lots of space needed - install the other later
[08:44] <mulder> I open the konsole, then choose a new root shell, and then it comes with password, From there I cannot type anything
[08:44] <Jucato> nix-noob: kate instead of gedit, konsole instead of gnome-terminal, etc. but the greatest difference really is that one uses KDE and the other uses GNOME
[08:44] <arschkind> hallo you nice people
[08:44] <KooL4444> fuck yeh IT WORKS!~!!!!
[08:44] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!
[08:44] <mulder> but in the Shell Konsole I can :-(
[08:44] <KooL4444> TY SO MUCH
[08:44] <KooL4444> finally some eye-candy!!!
[08:44] <ketsugi> Have fun, KooL4444 :)
[08:44] <Jucato> mulder: that's wha I'm telling you. you just type your password. you won't really see what you type
[08:45] <mulder> it uses to work fine before, I could see. Ah ok let me try
[08:47] <mulder> this is the message now: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc         ess using it?
[08:47] <Jucato> mulder: what are you trying to do, btw?
[08:47] <mulder> just trying to get updates and stuff
[08:47] <mulder> with the konsole, it works fine under adept, but not in the konsole.
[08:47] <Jucato> well you don't need to go to a root shell. just "sudo apt-get update"
[08:47] <harmental> hi everybody...is it safe to upgrade to edgy or a clean install must be made?
[08:48] <Jucato> mulder: is Adept still running?
[08:48] <mulder> no
[08:48] <Jucato> mulder: I'm guessing Adept crashed recently or was terminated. try entering this command "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[08:49] <mulder> message: dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[08:49] <intelikey> something is running.
[08:49] <Jucato> hm...
[08:50] <Kiongku> harmental: nto safe.. not safe at all
[08:50] <Jucato> mulder: sudo killall adept
[08:50] <mulder> you are right about adept, it didn't close properly
[08:50] <mulder> ok
[08:50] <Jucato> mulder: after that, run the dpkg command again
[08:51] <mulder> adept: no process killed
[08:51] <harmental> Kiongku: so should I format my whole partition?
[08:51] <Jucato> !adept crash fix > mulder
[08:51] <Jucato> mulder: try the commands that was sent to you
[08:51] <intelikey> harmental you should always format "whole partitions"   care to rephrase that ?
[08:51] <mulder> OK jucato
[08:51] <bioticpro> Anyone here use k9copy? I need help with it
[08:52] <Kiongku> harmental: back up and the u might try update.. but be prepared to redo a clean install
[08:52] <Jucato> Kiongku: believe it or not, some were entirely successful in upgrading...
[08:52] <Kiongku> Jucato: yah but better warn than getting then here howling
[08:52] <harmental> Kiongku: sorry.....should I format my linux partition and install it from scratch then?
[08:52] <Kiongku> *n/then/them
[08:53] <Kiongku> harmental: a clean install 99.9 % guaranteed success and no headaches. ur choice.. its the best solution if u have nothing important to keep
[08:53] <harmental> Kiongku: ok thx
[08:53] <mulder> aaaah it asked me if I wanted to kill process 4960 F adept manager!
[08:54] <Jucato> mulder: ah sorry, you're on edgy?
[08:54] <mulder> yes
[08:54] <Jucato> mulder: sudo killall adept_manager
[08:54] <Jucato> mulder: then "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[08:54] <Jucato> or have you done that already?
[08:55] <mulder> yes
[08:55] <Jucato> mulder: ok then, you're free to sudo apt-get update (if that's what you were trying to do)
[08:57] <mulder> ok i try
[08:58] <mulder> it works...Thanks Jucato. Why happened exactly there so I know?
[08:59] <intelikey> and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:59] <Jucato> intelikey: already on edgy :P
[08:59] <intelikey> so    to fetch any updates.
[08:59] <Kiongku> hmm
[08:59] <mulder> I love it :-) works like a charm, apart from my audigy 2zs, logitech webcam and canon printer
[08:59] <Jucato> mulder: Adept didn't finish what it was doing when it shutdown, therefore locking the package database
[08:59] <intelikey> or do you not do bugfixes and security updates ?
[09:00] <flaccid> with scully.........
[09:00] <mulder> :-)
[09:00] <Jucato> lol
[09:00] <flaccid> :p
[09:00] <flaccid> bbs soon after sesh
[09:00] <mulder> Ahhhh scully!
[09:00] <seishinbyou> Logitech webcams...I could never get them working under Ubuntu, either
[09:00] <mulder> ah :-(
[09:00] <mulder> audigy 2zs?
[09:01] <seishinbyou> I don't know about that.  The Canon printers I had luck with, but I don't remember what I did anymore
[09:01] <Kiongku> intelikey: whats teh command code to symlink all files in /usr/bin to /opt/e17/bin ?
[09:01] <intelikey> ls -s /usr/bin  /opt/e17/bin
[09:02] <mulder> My printer is an MP130 Canon
[09:02] <intelikey> ln
[09:02] <intelikey> sorry.
[09:02] <Kiongku> ?
[09:02] <intelikey> ln -s /usr/bin  /opt/e17/bin
[09:02] <seishinbyou> Ah, I'm still using the old PM760 from when I worked there
[09:02] <mulder> for me the commande Intel?
[09:02] <intelikey> for Kiongku
[09:02] <Kiongku> ok
[09:02] <mulder> ah sorry
[09:03] <Kiongku> intelikey: bcoz e17 has root as /opt/e17/bin... if i do that i can run the progs in /usr/bin without prob?
[09:04] <intelikey> beets me.   i'd have thought you needed to go the other way.   ln -s /opt/e17/bin  /usr/bin/e17          or the like.....
[09:05] <momal> hmm how can i enable a mount to a harddrive writeable by all users/groups?
[09:05] <intelikey> but apps can do anything with $PATH that the writer codes in....
[09:05] <momal> for some reason mine just suddenly stopped allowing a non root user to write to them >_<
[09:05] <mulder> anybody knows how to have my audigy 2zs recognised? I only have the intel onboard at the moment. Do I have to get some drivers or something else?
[09:05] <intelikey> momal what fs ?
[09:06] <momal> vfat(fat32)
[09:06] <mulder> This I have been trying for days, but with no success.
[09:06] <intelikey> umask=000
[09:06] <momal> yay thanks ^_-
[09:07] <momal> what about for reading from ntfs? seems i can't do that either lol
[09:07] <intelikey> momal man fstab     hit /   and type in   umask [enter]
[09:07] <intelikey> and read
[09:07] <momal> oh yea i got the umask bit in... ^_-
[09:09] <intelikey> yeah and if you do what i said... (though it's not likely)  you will learn that   the reason you need umask is because to the missing information on the fs and that it applies to several fs's
[09:09] <intelikey> namely those that M$ uses....
[09:09] <momal> lol i dont' seem to have that info in man fstab lol. i just had to set the umask in the advanced bit under the disk manager... but i forgot what it was i needed :p... so yea that helped out ^^
[09:10] <intelikey> try man mount then    one is a link to the other here...
[09:10] <martin_> Guys how do you manually save a KDE session??  I'm running Beryl which doesn't seem to want to let me logout at the moment.
[09:14] <martin_> never mind - googled it...
[09:15] <nacht> hi somebody know why the it.archive.ubuntu.com is offline?
[09:15] <momal> whats the command to set the system to use a certain parttion for swap?
[09:16] <Teejay__> question even after installing the plugins to play the restricted media on kubuntu 6.10, do you still have a problem playing mp3's on amarok?
[09:17] <jorik> momal: swapon /dev/XXX (or edit /etc/fstab)
[09:17] <Kiongku> !libxine-*
[09:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libxine-* - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:17] <Kiongku> hmm does not work :p
[09:18] <momal> what do i use for the mountpoint in fstab?
[09:18] <momal> for swap that is
[09:19] <KooL4444> where do i add a startup program in kubuntu?
[09:19] <Jucato> ~/.kde/Autostart
[09:20] <KooL4444> does that already exist? or am  i making this file?
[09:20] <Jucato> it's a folder
[09:20] <Jucato> it exists already
[09:21] <momal> just put in links/programs/shell scripts in that folder and give it +x permissions and should start up fine :)
[09:21] <intelikey> Kiongku the bot escapes wild cards
[09:21] <jorik> momal: mount the device as (-t) a swap area, without (none) a mount point eg: in fstab my line looks like: /dev/sda6       none            swap    sw              0       0
[09:21] <Jucato> KooL4444: or probably something easier... set you session to "Restore from previous session" (which is already on by default), and leave the programs running when you log out
[09:21] <KooL4444> how would i add the command "beryl-manager" in startup?
[09:22] <Jucato> ah that's a different case then...
[09:23] <momal> well you could just create new shell script to run it but that could be a little nasty :p
[09:23] <KooL4444> add "beryl-manager" in startup programs (System -> Preferences -> Sessions).
[09:23] <KooL4444> is what it says on the website
[09:23] <momal> jorik: thanks
[09:23] <KooL4444> i dont understand that
[09:24] <KooL4444> i think thats for ubuntu
[09:24] <mulder> crap kaffeine doesn't display videos at all, only but the sound.
[09:24] <intelikey> i don't think you need any referance to the swap partition in fstab   one of   mountall.sh mountdevsubfs mountvirtfs  scripts  seem to search for swap partitions.
[09:25] <intelikey> warpers nasty ?     momal
[09:26] <KooL4444> i dont even know what a shell script is
[09:26] <momal> nar i mean nasty as in beryl manager its self.. because sometimes when it starts up it can die so :p...
[09:26] <momal> but if you want to do it
[09:26] <KooL4444> oh
[09:26] <momal> create a new file in there and put in
[09:26] <KooL4444> nah, theres gotta be a reasonable solution
[09:27] <momal> #!/bin/sh
[09:27] <momal> beryl-manager
[09:27] <mulder> Anybody has Kaffeine working properly, or installed VLC who could help me please?
[09:27] <momal> then save as beryl.sh and | sudo chmod +x beryl.sh
[09:27] <KooL4444> thats the shell script method?
[09:27] <momal> save it in /home/username/.kde/Autostart/
[09:27] <momal> yea
[09:27] <KooL4444> k ill try it
[09:28] <intelikey> KooL4444    edit   ~/.xsession    and add   beryl-manager
[09:28] <momal> or you could do that :p
[09:28] <KooL4444> oh ok, that sounds easier
[09:28] <KooL4444> lol
[09:28] <KooL4444> just add that at the end? no exec command or anything?
[09:29] <intelikey> put it before the last itom if the file exists...
[09:30] <intelikey> if it needs to be flushed to the background so that something else will start   add  &
[09:30] <intelikey> beryl-manager &
[09:30] <KooL4444> so do i put it before or after "exec startkde"?
[09:30] <intelikey> before  and add &
[09:30] <KooL4444> ok ty
[09:30] <intelikey> wait.
[09:30] <KooL4444> ?
[09:30] <intelikey> wait.   maybe i need more info
[09:31] <intelikey> what exactly does  beryl-manager  do ?
[09:31] <KooL4444> starts beryl i think
[09:31] <KooL4444> thats the command i used to start it
[09:31] <Jucato> intelikey: manages beryl
[09:31] <Jucato> :P
[09:31] <pielgrzym> hello people - somebody please try to reproduce the bug (it's described in comment how to reproduce it) - it's a really annoying critical one: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/69007
[09:31] <intelikey> then yeah i'd say before kde
[09:31] <KooL4444> with the &
[09:31] <KooL4444> ?
[09:31] <intelikey> yes
[09:32] <KooL4444> k ill try it
[09:32] <Jucato> pielgrzym: sorry, I can't reproduce that. I leave my PC on for hours, but no errors.
[09:33] <intelikey> Jucato what version is that on ^ ?
[09:33] <pielgrzym> Jucato: I see
[09:33] <Jucato> pielgrzym: Edgy right?
[09:33] <pielgrzym> Jucato: tried leaving it just after login?
[09:34] <pielgrzym> Jucato: right :(
[09:34] <Jucato> pielgrzym: yes I have. nothing
[09:34] <Jucato> power manager settings maybe?
[09:34] <intelikey> k i don't have the salamander...
[09:34] <Jucato> or something...
[09:34] <Jucato> intelikey: it's a newt, actually
[09:34] <pielgrzym> Jucato: this is a really good idea! I'll check that
[09:34] <Admiral_Chicago> pielgrzym: neither can i
[09:34] <Jucato> ey hi Admiral_Chicago
[09:34] <intelikey> well !
[09:34] <Admiral_Chicago> Ju-
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> err Jucato how is it going?
[09:35] <Jucato> doing fine :)
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm working on Beowulf. the epic not the program
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> it's so boring
[09:35] <pielgrzym> Jucato: where is the power management located in edgy settings? can't find it?
[09:35] <Jucato> pielgrzym: although I might not be the right person to try to confirm... I run on a very customized system....
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> pielgrzym: it's called Guidance
[09:35] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: I don't know a Beowolf program...
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> did you check system settings? maybe dvanced
[09:36] <Jucato> pielgrzym: in System Settings, Advanced probably
[09:36] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato:  it's a clustering program
[09:36] <mulder> Christophe Lambert played in a Beowulf movie a few years ago...now that was boring!
[09:36] <Jucato> lol
[09:36] <intelikey> apt-cache search cluster
[09:36] <Jucato> christopher lambert as raiden in Mortal Kombat. *that* was boring
[09:36] <mulder> worse than Solaris!
[09:36] <overlimit> how can I upgrade my kubuntu to 6.10?
[09:36] <overlimit> from 6.06
[09:36] <Jucato> !upgrade | overlimit
[09:36] <ubotu> overlimit: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:37] <mulder> Watch Charlemagne and see :-)
[09:37] <mulder> Jucato I will need your science again please. Can you help?
[09:37] <Jucato> mulder: if I could, I would
[09:38] <Jucato> but there are other who could also help :)
[09:38] <mulder> :-) thank you kind sir.
[09:38] <mulder> I have a few things actually.
[09:38] <Jucato> O_O
[09:38] <mulder> I can't have the video in kaffeine, only the sound!!
[09:38] <mulder> so I am trying to download VLC instead.
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> mulder: what driver are you using
[09:38] <Jucato> mulder: what are you trying to play?
[09:39] <mulder> yesterday it was an avi file
[09:39] <Admiral_Chicago> my buddy couldn't get videos to play in Edgy
[09:39] <Admiral_Chicago> clean install too
[09:39] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: same here
[09:39] <ketsugi> clean install is the problem
[09:39] <mulder> is VLC better than K?
[09:39] <ketsugi> You need to install the non-free codecs
[09:39] <mulder> ah..how can I do that?
[09:39] <Jucato> mulder: have you installed libxine-extracodecs?
[09:39] <ketsugi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[09:39] <mulder> not sure
[09:39] <Jucato> !libxine-extracodecs > mulder
[09:40] <mulder> in the konsole?
[09:40] <Jucato> err.. use that link ketsugi gave
[09:40] <mulder> ah ok
[09:40] <Jucato> mulder: you might also need this one
[09:40] <ketsugi> Either in the Konsole or in Adept
[09:40] <ketsugi> doesn't matter
[09:40] <Jucato> !multiverse > mulder
[09:40] <edge888> hi! I just upgraded my Kubuntu to Edgy Eft, however, my frostwire doesnt connect to the internet, its just say "Starting Connection"... any workaround? :) tnx
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> ketsugi: no he knows that, X would go crazy when he was playing things
[09:40] <Jucato> mulder: you need to enable multiverse. sent you the link
[09:41] <mulder> ok I am going to try
[09:41] <Admiral_Chicago> i really like Moodle, it's pretty powerful but it doesn't do RSS
[09:41] <Jucato> um... anyone here encountered any problems with building the search index in KDE Help Center, even after installing htdig and editing a typo in one of the scripts?
[09:42] <thyko> how do i just install kubuntu from the boot prompt? without having to go to the live cd desktop first?
[09:42] <Jucato> thyko: if you downloaded the Live CD, you can't... afaik
[09:42] <emonkey> thyko, try the alternate CD
[09:42] <thyko> ok
[09:42] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: what's Moodle?
[09:42] <emonkey> an e-learning Server
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> thyko: you could also try the safe mode, i forget what it's called
[09:42] <Jucato> ah
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: kinda like blackboard, CNET etc
[09:43] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: from the Live CD?
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: no it's an open source program used by my school for a webpage for a protein folding project
[09:43] <Jucato> Safe graphics mode, afaik, doesn't go to the CLI in the Live CD
[09:43] <mulder> Jucato (and the others) I don't know how to add the multiverse thingy, even by looking at the guide...I am using Kubuntu and things aren't the same. Sorry!
[09:43] <Jucato> er.. I was referring to the safe mode you mentioned :)
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: that is what i meant
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry i was confused
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> it's almost 3 here
[09:44] <edge888> hi! I just upgraded my Kubuntu to Edgy Eft, however, my frostwire doesnt connect to the internet, its just say "Starting Connection"... any workaround? :) tnx
[09:44] <pielgrzym> can't find the power management (acpi) options - in dapper it used to be in a separate menu
[09:44] <Jucato> open source course management software?
[09:44] <mulder> I opened adept...manage repositories..but after that I am lost!
[09:44] <pielgrzym> If I totally disable acpi will the computer work ok?
[09:44] <stefan__> hi all
[09:45] <Jucato> mulder: ok look for the line with "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe"
[09:45] <pielgrzym> I mean will it be able to shut down normally :)
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: yup, it's from Australia
[09:45] <Jucato> ah
[09:45] <mulder> well all my components show main restricted
[09:46] <Jucato> mulder:  look for the line I just told you
[09:46] <Jucato> substituting "xx" for your locale (gb, us, uk, au, etc)
[09:46] <mulder> yes I understand that Jucato, but instead of universe it is main restricted
[09:47] <Jucato> mulder: scroll down a bit more
[09:47] <mulder> it is greyed out
[09:47] <Jucato> mulder: ok, right-click and select Enable
[09:47] <intelikey> sed 's/main restricted/main restricted universe multiverse/g' /etc/apt/sources.list > ~/sources.list
[09:47] <mulder> only deb, not deb-src
[09:47] <Jucato> mulder: yes
[09:48] <Jucato> intelikey: quick fix, but he won't learn, right?
[09:48] <mulder> still greyed out :-(
[09:48] <intelikey> you can look at the new copy in your home and if it suits you copy it to /etc/apt.
[09:48] <intelikey> Jucato idk ?    will he ?
[09:48] <Jucato> mulder: are you sure? even after right-clicking and selecting enable?
[09:48] <mulder> yes still greyed out, but I can change the lines it seems
[09:49] <Jucato> mulder: hm.. that would be strange.... works fine here
[09:49] <Jucato> what do you mean by you can "change the lines"?
[09:49] <mulder> the greyed out deb shows universe, unlike the non greyed out showing main restricted
[09:50] <mulder> well If i click twice on universe, I can write something else for instance
[09:50] <Jucato> mulder: ah ok. then add the word "multiverse" to that
[09:50] <pacman> can anyone help me with my 3d accelerator
[09:50] <Jucato> so that it would be "universe multiverse"
[09:50] <mulder> after or before universe?
[09:50] <Jucato> mulder: do not deletet "universe"
[09:50] <mulder> ah ok
[09:51] <mulder> done
[09:51] <intelikey> order is not important there mulder
[09:51] <mulder> shall I save and close?
[09:51] <Jucato> mulder: try to Enable it again...
[09:51] <mulder> it is enabled but still greyed out
[09:52] <intelikey> apply
[09:52] <Jucato> ah ok.. click on Apply, then Close
[09:52] <Jucato> then at the top, click on Fetch Updates
[09:52] <mulder> yes now it is in black :-)
[09:52] <Jucato> I swear! Adept needs a total makeover!
[09:52] <Jucato> mulder: click on Fetch Updates, once it finishes, you can look for and install libxine-extracodecs
[09:53] <mulder> it is downloading suff now :-)
[09:53] <Jucato> and that is how you edit your sources.list using Adept
[09:54] <intelikey> i like sed better  :)
[09:56] <intelikey> ???
[09:56] <Jucato> nvm
[09:59] <intelikey> oh i got it.  just wondered why.... ?
[09:59] <mulder> ok now it works...but sound is gone! Arghhhh
[10:00] <Jucato> O_O
[10:00] <mulder> trying to configure the sound...alas
[10:02] <mulder> I don't know...jeez. Maybe vlc will work
[10:07] <Emess> hey flaccid i got it to go :D
[10:07] <Emess> edgy is sexy!
[10:09] <mulder> it is indeed, but has a very bad temper sometimes! Like a red-haired girlfriend!
[10:10] <Jucato> like scully?
[10:10] <Emess> lol, it took me a while but it works now, actually the onyl problem i ah was acpi,b ut that took 11 hours to fix
[10:10] <Emess> now to figure out why beryl wont load
[10:12] <mulder> scully is wonderful, sexy and smart...well you can say the same about Edgy no?
[10:12] <Jucato> she's also fickle at times
[10:12] <Emess> i lvoed the boot screen, although i ahd to restore my gui settings
[10:12] <mulder> nobody is perfect, but at least she has the nose for investigating :-)
[10:12] <Jucato> edgy makes you investigate it :)
[10:13] <mulder> still no sound with my movies :-(
[10:13] <Emess> my little sister (shes 8) was like "ooooh gimme that, my one is ugly!"
[10:13] <Emess> she should be fine with dapper tho, it isnt ugly at all
[10:13] <mulder> next kubuntu should be called Sweet Sister then :-)
[10:13] <Emess> lol, she sin ubuntu heaven, untuil last weeks he has Xandros 3 OCE
[10:13] <Jucato> that will have to wait till we get to "S"
[10:13] <Jucato> and that implies that "Sister" is an animal :P
[10:13] <Emess> i gave her a ubuntu disk and she partitioned and sintalled it ehrself lol
[10:14] <mulder> Flying Formula?
[10:14] <Jucato> Feisty Fawn
[10:14] <mulder> yeah I know...heard that ;-)
[10:14] <Emess> not necessarily, tehre was no c, it went breezy then dapper, and what about hoary and warty?
[10:14] <Jucato> Emess: omg! an 8 year old partitioning by herself?
[10:14] <Jucato> Emess: they started going alphabetical with Dapper
[10:14] <mulder> wait till you get to Hairy Harty!
[10:14] <Emess> yeah, why not? i partitioned mandrake on by first nix box when i was 7
[10:14] <Jucato> no more "H"
[10:14] <Emess> ah ok
[10:15] <intelikey> Jucato ????  warty hoary breezy dapper edgy     what is the order there ????
[10:15] <Emess> me waits for Mangey monkey
[10:15] <Jucato> lol! I never even heard about partitioning until I was. um... 17?
[10:15] <Emess> or Sexy Snakes
[10:15] <Jucato> intelikey: they decided to start going alphabetical in Dapper
[10:15] <Jucato> Dapper, Edgy, Feisty
[10:15] <intelikey> really ?
[10:15] <Jucato> there will be no G and H though
[10:15] <SHRIKEE> H can be Horny :)
[10:16] <intelikey> no goat or horse ?
[10:16] <Jucato> Grumpy Groundhog was the codename for the testing stuff, iirc
[10:16] <Jucato> and we already had Hoary Hedgehog
[10:16] <SHRIKEE> ...
[10:17] <mulder> Grumpy Granny could have been better
[10:17] <Jucato> you're implying that Granny is an animal :P
[10:17] <Jucato> although Grumpy Gopher might have been more appropriate...
[10:18] <intelikey> this is Krazy.  mc displays correctly in the "fixed consoles" but not in others, while elinks does the oppisite.....
[10:19] <Emess> mc = midnight commander?
[10:19] <mulder> I still don't have the sound in neither K nor Vlc!
[10:19] <intelikey> Emess yes
[10:20] <Emess> havent used that ina  while
[10:20] <mulder> sometimes when the sound system restart, it does so for ages...
[10:20] <Emess> mulder: restart alsa?
[10:20] <intelikey> fixed consoles --- /etc/rcS.d/S90console-screen.sh
[10:20] <Jucato> mulder: where do you have sounds then?
[10:21] <equipped> allo all
[10:21] <intelikey> hola
[10:21] <Kiongku> aloha
[10:21] <equipped> i'm brand new to kubuntu and loving it
[10:21] <intelikey> you'll get over that
[10:22] <equipped> wow that's positive?
[10:22] <intelikey> yeah...
[10:22] <intelikey> :)
[10:23] <equipped> can i ask some overasked questions im sure?
[10:23] <mulder> ok I am using a laptop...it has intel hda onboard, but I am using my audigy 2 zs card inserted in the pci slot. Porblem I can get the sound from the audigy2 only from the intel. But now I can't hear the sound coming from the players!
[10:23] <intelikey> computyus say "programmer that know computer, have strange sex life"
[10:25] <Jucato> ... and that, dear Kubuntu users, is intelikey's (futile) attempt at humor...
[10:25] <mulder> amarok plays the music fine, but only using the intel sound!
[10:25] <intelikey> ditto jucato
[10:26] <Marius_> hi
[10:26] <Marius_> anyone here who can help me.... i just updated from dapper and my OS is no more working
[10:27] <seletz> Marius_: if you want anyone to help you, you should probably define "not more working" more accurately ;)
[10:27] <ccomp5950> marious_: What do you mean, not working?  Little more detail needed.  What does it stop working on, what step?...do you get to login?
[10:28] <Marius_> well is not booting into x
[10:28] <seletz> Morning, btw x_X
[10:28] <Marius_> it's checking the filesystem
[10:28] <drumline_> Marius_: after the file sys checks, then what?
[10:28] <seletz> let it check, dont interrupt, dond switch off your computer ;)
[10:28] <Marius_> it says something like "last mount time is after the current time"
[10:29] <seletz> s/dond/don't/
[10:29] <seletz> Marius_: The filesystem is checked every xx times it is mounted per default.
[10:29] <seletz> Marius_: Thats normal.
[10:29] <Marius_> well it is somehow stuck in that process
[10:30] <drumline_> Marius_: check this article: http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS3291004537.html
[10:30] <intelikey> that's normal seletz  ???
[10:30] <drumline_> Marius_: if that's it, then follow the directions that Steve gives on the site.
[10:30] <Jucato> on ext3, the filesystem is checked after 30 mounts
[10:30] <ccomp5950> What happened, you didn't setup your time properly when you installed this time resulting in a time that was prior to your dapper system time.  Right now you have a couple choices:  I would let it run over night but if it's not doing anything change your BIOS time to a time say next month.
[10:31] <Marius_> i am unable to access  kubuntuforums.net
[10:31] <dude_> jucato!
[10:31] <seletz> intelikey: the check is, but it getting struck is not ;)
[10:31] <Jucato> hi dude_
[10:31] <intelikey> seletz no the time stamp.   look at the error
[10:32] <Marius_> so what is the site whith steve's directions
[10:32] <intelikey> ***<Marius_> it says something like "last mount time is after the current time"***
[10:32] <dude_> jucato: what the difference between alternate from desktop?
[10:32] <dude_> jucato: whats the difference between alternate from desktop?
[10:33] <Jucato> dude_: no need to repeat :P
[10:33] <dude_> sorry
[10:33] <dude_> i forgot the "s" : )
[10:33] <Jucato> Desktop CD = Live CD with GUI installer (very basic options only). Alternate Install CD = text based installer with more options
[10:34] <Marius_> how about the dvd version?
[10:34] <dude_> jucato: ohh ok tnx
[10:36] <solar_ant> hey all
[10:37] <drumline_> Marius_: i gave you the link above: http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS3291004537.html
[10:37] <Marius_> ok
[10:37] <Marius_> thank you verry much
[10:38] <dude_> jucato: have you tried xubuntu?
[10:39] <Z_God> I'm trying to install edgy, but I get "There is no basefilesystem" on the partition screen
[10:39] <Jucato> dude_: yes for a short while only
[10:39] <Z_God> is this a bug or something like that?
[10:39] <Z_God> I selected a 20 GB partition for /
[10:39] <dude_> jucato: why?
[10:39] <Jucato> dude_: because I love KDE :P
[10:40] <dude_> jucato: :) y a....
[10:40] <Jucato> dude_: but seriously. it was fast, but a bit too gimped for my taste.
[10:40] <intelikey> Z_God probably a bug in your choice of file systems.
[10:40] <dude_> jucato: i want to try beryl, but im still afraid hehehe
[10:40] <Jucato> me to
[10:40] <Jucato> s/to/too
[10:40] <mulder> ok guys something else happened here...when I open my applications, I am asked for a password, but then it runs as root!
[10:41] <intelikey> and nicks...
[10:41] <dude_> ./takot/ako
[10:41] <Jucato> lol
[10:41] <dude_> :)
[10:41] <Jucato> mulder: all apps?
[10:41] <Z_God> ...
[10:42] <Z_God> I'll just download the alternate cd
[10:42] <mulder> well I try adept now, and it says run as root
[10:42] <intelikey> Z linux doesn't live in ntfs space without scba gear
[10:42] <dude_> jucato: i can add xubuntu with my current system right?
[10:42] <Z_God> ??
[10:43] <Jucato> dude_: yes
[10:43] <intelikey> what have you selected as the root partition ?
[10:43] <intelikey> you are not giving us much to work with
[10:43] <dude_> jucato : apt-get install xubuntu?
[10:43] <Z_God> /dev/hde5 it's what's already my current kubuntu root partition
[10:43] <Jucato> mulder: that's normal
[10:44] <mulder> I am getting confused myself. But yes it looks normal, because I use the password I put
[10:44] <Jucato> dude_: I would suggest "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install -R xubuntu-desktop"
[10:44] <intelikey> ok and you set it to format that
[10:44] <Z_God> yep
[10:44] <mulder> Chickies will get teeth before I start using Linux like a pro!
[10:44] <intelikey> and to mount it as /
[10:44] <Jucato> dude_: so that you can "sudo aptitude remove xubuntu-desktop" easily later
[10:44] <Z_God> yep
[10:44] <dude_> jucato: ok copy, tnx
[10:45] <intelikey> then you may have a bug.  yes.
[10:46] <mulder> Where you guys are based anyway for support?
[10:46] <Z_God> downloading the alternate iso at 11 MB/s now :)
[10:46] <Emess> is there a way to change the icon for kmenu?
[10:46] <Jucato> mulder: only ding this for free, in my spare time
[10:46] <Jucato> s/ding/doing
[10:46] <Emess> Z_God: for that speed...can i be your best friend?
[10:47] <Z_God> lol :P
[10:47] <mulder> That is kind for you to do it for free...help newcomers like myself. I suppose you aren't married? :-)
[10:47] <Jucato> lol no
[10:47] <intelikey> mulder i don't think anyone talking in the last hour is any part of the ubntun team.....
[10:47] <Jucato> Emess: Instructions for changing the K menu icon: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2551958
[10:47] <dude_> jucato: what is this xubuntu 6.10?
[10:47] <Jucato> dude_: it's Xubuntu Edgy
[10:47] <mulder> well that is why I keep Ubuntu/K because of the community
[10:47] <Z_God> >Emess burning takes a while though :S
[10:48] <dude_> ok
[10:48] <mulder> great people who can help :-)
[10:49] <sreng> youpi :)
[10:49] <sreng> Beryl rox
[10:49] <mulder> what is Beryl?
[10:49] <Jucato> !beryl | mulder
[10:49] <ubotu> mulder: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[10:49] <sreng> 3D effects for the desktop
[10:49] <KooL4444> my beryl crashes when i go to shutdown
[10:50] <sreng> wow :) cool script
[10:50] <dude_> jucato: i can't use my foot pedal
[10:50] <Jucato> O_o
[10:50] <sreng> !master | mulder
[10:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about master - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:50] <sreng> !man | mulder
[10:50] <ubotu> mulder: The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[10:51] <intelikey> !bot
[10:51] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:51] <mulder> I am lost now thanks fellas!
[10:52] <sreng> hehe
[10:52] <sreng> type "beryl" in youtube and you will see
[10:52] <intelikey> mulder that second botsnack was just sreng learning how to play with ubotu
[10:52] <sreng> euh
[10:52] <mulder> argh!
[10:53] <mulder> I am looking at some screenshot, lovely and sexy like scully!
[10:53] <sreng> easy..
[10:53] <intelikey> !botsnack ?
[10:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsnack ? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:53] <Emess> my burner can do a full 4gig dvd in 2.30 minutes :D
[10:53] <Emess> my burner + your bandwidht = awesome, Z_God
[10:53] <Z_God> heh, yeah
[10:54] <Z_God> it's just a local mirror though ;)
[10:54] <Emess> actually, i live about 10 minutes drive fromt eh australian ubuntu mirror, its owned by teh UWA computing club lol
[10:54] <Emess> as it says on their door "ubuntu on tap"
[10:54] <mulder> so many people have the icons displayed like widgets or something. The stuff that windowblinds uses...how can you do that?
[10:55] <Z_God> heh, neat
[10:55] <Z_God> I'm on a campus myself, the ftp here just mirrors ubuntu too
[10:55] <Z_God> haven't really checked, but hopefully they've got the apt pool too :)
[10:56] <mulder> so how can I make beryl work then?
[10:57] <intelikey> !glx
[10:57] <mulder> headaches...headaches!
[10:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <intelikey> !xgl
[10:57] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:57] <drumline_> !ltsp
[10:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ltsp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:58] <dude_> jucato: after the installation of xubuntu? does it affect my grub?
[10:58] <Jucato> no.
[10:58] <Jucato> you can choose to log into Xfce or KDE from the login screen, under the Sessions menu
[10:58] <solar_ant> hey all
[10:58] <solar_ant> whats the md5sum for kubuntu 6.10 cd
[10:58] <dude_> jucato: ok, copy, tnx
[10:58] <solar_ant> does nayone know ehre to find it
[10:59] <solar_ant> i just downloaded the cd and hae trouble installing
[10:59] <solar_ant> so want to check
[10:59] <intelikey> solar_ant should be on the site
[10:59] <solar_ant> intelikey:  it aint
[10:59] <solar_ant> anyway when i try to boot form the cd or even attempt media check
[10:59] <solar_ant> the blue screen appear for some time with kubuntu and bar scrolling down
[10:59] <solar_ant> left and right
[11:00] <solar_ant> and then it blanks
[11:00] <solar_ant> and
[11:00] <solar_ant> it says "hds error huh ? must exit with 0 " or something crazy like tha
[11:00] <solar_ant> what do i do ???????/
[11:00] <mulder> so it seems you nea big graphic card to run beryl!
[11:00] <intelikey> mulder yep
[11:01] <Jucato> mulder: not really big, just needs to be good enough
[11:01] <solar_ant> anyone ???
[11:02] <sreng> mulder: I run it on my IBM x31 Laptop
[11:03] <sreng> mulder: it has no Big gfx card
[11:03] <sreng> mulder: ATI mobility M16 ~ RADEON 9000
[11:03] <mulder> mine is an atix1400 ati
[11:03] <sreng> mulder: and it runs SMOOTHLY :D
[11:03] <mulder> 1280x800 laptop
[11:03] <sreng> hum
[11:03] <sreng> is it an old laptop ?
[11:03] <Jucato> mulder: the important thing is you need 3d hardware acceleration
[11:04] <mulder> duo core intel
[11:04] <Jucato> ooh that's good
[11:04] <mulder> few months old
[11:04] <sreng> oh yeah then you are good i think
[11:04] <sreng> mine is like 2 years old
[11:04] <sreng> ;)
[11:04] <mulder> glxinfo |grep -i direct is what I did
[11:04] <mulder> and it says no direct rendering
[11:04] <sreng> edgy ?
[11:04] <sreng> edgy eft ?
[11:04] <Jucato> well, you'd need to install the proprietary driver for it to get direct rendering going
[11:05] <mulder> yes edgy
[11:05] <mulder> I guess I have them
[11:05] <Jucato> you "guess"?
[11:05] <mulder> where can I check I have them then?
[11:05] <Jucato> if you didn't install them, they won't be there :)
[11:05] <mulder> well I am new to Linux, and a friend of mine helped with some stuff
[11:06] <Jucato> well I'm guessing if you don't have direct rendering on, then it's not installed
[11:06] <mulder> I didn't have 1280x800 running, so we have to install them to have that reso working
[11:06] <mulder> ok how can I check?
[11:06] <intelikey> solar_ant did you even look before you said the md5's are not on the site ???    http://planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu/releases/edgy/
[11:07] <sreng> mulder: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Dapper/AiGLX
[11:07] <Ash-Fox> Is there anything that can play divx3 movies?
[11:08] <Gecko> Ash-Fox: try mplayer
[11:08] <intelikey> !divx3
[11:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about divx3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:08] <Gecko> Ash-Fox: with the appropriate codec pack
[11:09] <mulder> As of october 2006, AIGLX should work out of the box in edgy, provided your graphics card supports it!
[11:09] <Ash-Fox> Gecko, mplayer doesn't proccess this :P
[11:09] <mulder> how can I check then?
[11:09] <Gecko> Ash-Fox: check the mplayer website for an alternative codec pack then
[11:10] <sreng> mulder: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/applications/beryl
[11:11] <sreng> mulder: i think you have to change some of your xorg.conf
[11:11] <mulder> ah some french reading...!
[11:11] <mefisto__> I have 2 soundcards, kmix almost always starts with the wrong soundcard. How can I specify which card it should control by default?
[11:13] <sreng> mulder: well i also gave you an english howto to install beryl
[11:14] <mulder> don't worry I can read french no problems :-)
[11:16] <intelikey> !sound
[11:16] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[11:17] <mefisto__> I've solved my sound problems, it's the kmix interface that's driving me nuts now
[11:19] <harmental> hi everybody...
[11:19] <Z_God> the alternate cd seems to be working :)
[11:19] <harmental> has anybody tried to upgrade from dapper to edgy without a clean install? (ie. as indicated in kubuntu site)
[11:20] <intelikey> harmental several
[11:20] <harmental> any succes?
[11:21] <intelikey> not a very high percentage
[11:21] <intelikey> in school you wouldn't want that mark....
[11:21] <harmental> mmm
[11:21] <intelikey> but some yes.
[11:23] <mefisto__> can k3b create audio CDs with no gaps between tracks?
[11:25] <mulder> ok guys, have to go for a while. Will be back. Thanks for your help Jucato and Intel, and the others.
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> mefisto__: i think so
[11:29] <mefisto__> I thought I'd made one, but perhaps kaffeine can't play it without a slight pause between tracks
[11:37] <Admiral_Chicago> did you try using a CD player?
[11:38] <mefisto__> I don't actually own one any more
[11:38] <mefisto__> amarok plays cds right?
[11:41] <pielgrzym> how to make glxgears show fps?
[11:42] <Jucato> pielgrzym: glxgears -printfps
[11:42] <pielgrzym> Jucato: thanks :) is this a good score for R9200: 6163 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1232.585 FPS ?
[11:43] <Jucato> dunno.. sorry :(
[11:43] <pielgrzym> :)
[11:44] <wombat_> help, I've done something to my vid card drivers and am now stuck at 640x480 res
[11:46] <wombat_> I thought I had undone everything I did before it stuffed up but I'm still having problems
[11:47] <zkhalis> salut je connais rien a kubuntu et linux en general est ce que quelqu'un peut m'aider j'aimerais couter la radio j'ai essay kaffeine et amarok sa ne marche pas :(
[11:47] <Jucato> !fr | zkhalis
[11:47] <ubotu> zkhalis: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:48] <mefisto__> what did you do that you have undone, wombat_?
[11:49] <zkhalis> merci :)
[11:49] <Kiongku> xorg.conf?
[11:50] <wombat_> mefisto:I tried to update the drivers for my vid card using Adept Manager and changed the driver selection in the system/moniter and display section
[11:51] <wombat_> mefisto: I then hit the test button and got a screen that looked like no channel on an old television, all black and white dots and an x for a cursor.
[11:51] <Admiral_Chicago> mefisto__: yes
[11:52] <mefisto__> ok, I'm far from an expert, but I found changing video settings is best done by changing one setting at a time (in the display section) and then restarting the x server (log out, then restart x from menu)
[11:52] <brosioz> ehy a repository with w32codecs for my edgy ?
[11:52] <Admiral_Chicago> brosioz: multiverse iirc
[11:52] <Jucato> !w32codecs | brosioz
[11:53] <ubotu> brosioz: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:53] <wombat_> mefisto: I then hit the reset button on the computer because I couldn't work out how to get out of that screen, the computer rebooted and I had 640x480 res
[11:53] <Jucato> brosioz: that first link
[11:53] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: multiverse doesn't have w32codecs
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: which one does?
[11:53] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: none
[11:53] <brosioz> thx
[11:53] <Jucato> you either use PLF or download it from the link in the RestrictedFormats page
[11:53] <mefisto__> wombat_: go to the hardware tab and see if it can detect your vid card
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: really?
[11:54] <brosioz> Jucato: i want a repository not install a deb packages
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i see
[11:54] <wombat_> mefisto: where's the hardware tab?
[11:54] <Jucato> brosioz: well, the only repository that has that is the PLF repos, but I think they don't support Edgy
[11:55] <brosioz> a non official rep
[11:55] <Admiral_Chicago> brosioz: "This package is not available from the Ubuntu repositories due to licensing and legal restrictions."
[11:55] <brosioz> A NON OFFICIAL REP
[11:55] <Jucato> brosioz: like I said, PLF is down
[11:56] <Jucato> brosioz: any reason why you don't want the deb?
[11:56] <brosioz> PLF ?
[11:56] <brosioz> what's that ?
[11:56] <Jucato> PLF = freecontrib repository
[11:56] <Jucato> that's the unofficial repo that you're looking for
[11:56] <Jucato> !plf
[11:56] <ubotu> PLF is the Penguin Liberation Front. For more info see: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf. PLF is down indefinitely pending a new maintainer; see http://plf.zarb.org/. see also !seveas
[11:56] <Jucato> "PLF is down indefinitely pending a new maintainer"
[11:57] <mefisto__> wombat_: system settings > display 3rd tab from left
[11:57] <Jucato> brosioz: any reason why you don't want to just download the deb?
[11:57] <brosioz> but is still down ?
[11:57] <Jucato> brosioz: yes
[11:58] <brosioz> Jucato: i prefer a repository cause if there is an update i don't want to reinstall a package each time
[11:58] <Jucato> brosioz: there is rarely any update for the w32codecs. very rare
[11:58] <Jucato> brosioz: libxine-extracodecs, on the other hand, is in multiverse
[12:01] <rmi> hi all...what repositories should I use to find and install xine?
[12:01] <wombat_> mefisto: yeah it is detecting it as nv. it's set to what was initially installed when I installed kubuntu. It will detect my card as an NVIDIA GeForce4(generic) if I go into configure.
[12:01] <brosioz> i don't remember
[12:01] <brosioz> but there is also
[12:01] <brosioz> an official repository
[12:01] <brosioz> for realmedia ?
[12:02] <Jucato> !real
[12:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about real - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:02] <Jucato> !realplayer
[12:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:02] <Jucato> rmi: you mean libxine-extracodecs? it's in multiverse
[12:02] <mefisto__> wombat_: that's it, let it find your specific card in configure, then exit back to the desktop, log out, restart x, and THEN go back to try changing your display settings
[12:03] <wombat_> ok, I'll try but I'm pretty sure that's what I did
[12:04] <robert_> who builds kde 3.5.5's packages?
[12:04] <rmi> ok thx
[12:04] <mefisto__> sorry wombat_ that's all I can suggest. I'm very new to this, but that's how I got my video settings sorted out
[12:04] <robert_> well, whoever does needs to fix ksmserver
[12:04] <robert_> (it's crashed on me 3x today)
[12:05] <brosioz> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy  main
[12:05] <brosioz> like this
[12:05] <brosioz> dude
[12:05] <exclude> during the upgrade to edgy, kubuntu wrote some weird stuff in my /etc/fstab
[12:05] <brosioz> but i get wrong
[12:05] <Jucato> brosioz: you mean the commercial repos? doesn't exist yet for Edgy, I'm afraid
[12:05] <Jucato> exclude: that UUID stuff is normal
[12:06] <exclude> now my swap is no longer mounted on reboot!
[12:06] <mattia> we
[12:06] <mattia> hi to all
[12:06] <exclude> Jucato: right, but I have no clue how to fix my swap issues then :)
[12:06] <mattia> I can not install firefox
[12:06] <mattia> can some one  help me
[12:06] <mattia> ???
[12:06] <brosioz> dude exists...
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Good Morning all , it's darn early here
[12:06] <Jucato> exclude: how come?
[12:07] <exclude> Jucato: where can I find more details about the UUID stuff then? How do I know what that UUID refers to?
[12:07] <Jucato> brosioz: sorry let me rephrase, it does exist, but is empty
[12:07] <mefisto__> mattia: did you try installing thru adept?
[12:07] <exclude> Jucato: I don't really know, I just had a very hard crash, because of "out of memory" issues. Had to pull the power plug and all :(
[12:07] <Jucato> :(
[12:08] <brosioz> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main
[12:08] <brosioz> dude now work
[12:08] <brosioz> s
[12:08] <exclude> Jucato: I did find out that swap wasn't initialised. lemme check the bootlog
[12:08] <brosioz> :D
[12:10] <weedar> to prevent firefox from constantly crashing I have to set the shell variable XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS to 1, how do I do this for all users always. .bashrc?
[12:10] <exclude> Jucato: I got it working this session by issueing mkswap ... and swapon. But I'd prefer ubuntu to boot and initialise swap itself :)
[12:11] <Jucato> hm... I'm not really sure why it isn't loading. I'll show you my fstab line for swap
[12:11] <exclude> Jucato:
[12:11] <exclude> # /dev/hda5 -- converted during upgrade to edgy
[12:11] <exclude> UUID=d5ca5f96-fce4-457c-adaf-c467cf50acc8 none swap sw 0 0
[12:11] <Admiral_Chicago> exclude: are you sure fstab is correct
[12:11] <esaym> easy way to get firefox: http://getswiftfox.com/installer.htm
[12:11] <hammer> hi
[12:11] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm that seems...complicated
[12:11] <Jucato> UUID=dc22d891-ecc4-4c44-80ee-90d0c4e8b61d none            swap    sw              0       0
[12:11] <exclude> Admiral_Chicago: no. But I never touched it :)
[12:12] <hammer> ho do i format my flash mp3 player?
[12:12] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: it's the default for edgy
[12:12] <hammer> *how
[12:12] <exclude> Admiral_Chicago: and because of the UUID, I cannot fix it. I have no clue what that is.
[12:12] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: Edgy seems to be doing a lot of new stuff but i guess that was the point
[12:12] <Jucato> yes
[12:12] <Jucato> exclude: you upgraded right?
[12:13] <Admiral_Chicago> exclude: personally, i'd change the fstab back to smoething readably
[12:13] <Jucato> er exclude....
[12:13] <Jucato> do you see #comments  in your fstab?
[12:13] <Jucato> the ones immediately above the UUID lines?
[12:13] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i got those too
[12:14] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: do you suggest i keep them as is. i can't read them and it looks awful
[12:14] <exclude> Jucato: sorry, was on my terminal 1 :)
[12:14] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: you're not supposed to read them in the first place :)
[12:14] <wombat_> No luck mefisto..... I'll keep playing
[12:14] <exclude> Jucato: see above, I pasted the Comment with it.
[12:14] <exclude> but I found "sudo blkid " Admiral_Chicago, Jucato
[12:14] <Jucato> exclude: so that UUID is for your /dev/hda5
[12:15] <mefisto__> wombat_: did you uninstall the new driver?
[12:15] <exclude> exclude: according to blkid it is not!
[12:15] <Admiral_Chicago> exclude: vhat does that do?
[12:16] <exclude> Admiral_Chicago: that command shows a list with the UUIDs, apparently they are a new way of identifying hdds
[12:16] <exclude> http://enterprise.linux.com/comments.pl?sid=37323&op=&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread&tid=23&tid=47&tid=29&pid=91642
[12:16] <Admiral_Chicago> exclude: first i heard of it and i follow linux news pretty closely
[12:16] <Jucato> exclude: thanks for the command
[12:17] <exclude> Admiral_Chicago: me too. And I am not very happy with hearing that.
[12:17] <Jucato> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[12:17] <Admiral_Chicago> exclude: i can see the advantage
[12:17] <Jucato> exclude: if that's so, try changing the UUID to match your swap partition
[12:17] <exclude> me too. Its just so.... different :9
[12:17] <exclude> Jucato: already did that, and it solves the issue
[12:18] <rmi> what's the safest way to install nvidia drivers in a kubuntu based laptop?
[12:18] <exclude> Jucato: leaves me wondering how the F the update Fsked up so bad by giving my swap a broken UUID,
[12:18] <exclude> :)
[12:18] <wombat_> yeah
[12:18] <Jucato> exclude: I wouldn't know... :(
[12:19] <exclude> me neither, but, well, it works now, my itch is scrathced.
[12:19] <exclude>  :)
[12:19] <mefisto__> wombat_: are there any backup copies of xorg.conf?
[12:20] <wombat_> mefisto:um, no idea, I've had kubuntu on this machine for 2 days
[12:20] <wombat_> and have been using linux for just as long
[12:20] <mefisto__> wombat_: hey, me too
[12:20] <Jucato> exclude: you don't need sudo to run blkid
[12:21] <Admiral_Chicago> !nvidia > rmi:
[12:21] <exclude> Jucato: ah, that post mentioned it being in /sbin so I assumed that.
[12:21] <Jucato> :)
[12:21] <mefisto__> wombat_: if you do locate xorg.conf in a terminal window, it will find it for you. you can then look in that directory for other files that look like they might be backup copies
[12:22] <Jucato> !UUID | exclude Admiral_Chicago
[12:22] <ubotu> exclude Admiral_Chicago: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid"
[12:23] <exclude> thanks.
[12:23] <Jucato> exclude: thanks for the tip :)
[12:23] <Jucato> if I could put acknowledgements there, I would put your name :)
[12:23] <exclude> Jucato: mebby add the link  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LibAtaForAtaDisks to that?
[12:23] <Jucato> exclude: nah. not for kids stuff :P
[12:23] <exclude> hehe
[12:24] <Admiral_Chicago> good to know
[12:24] <Jucato> I'll consider it though...
[12:24] <wombat_> mefisto: where's it supposed to be?
[12:24] <Jucato> exclude: you can sleep well knowing that your little tip has the potential to help a lot of users :)
[12:24] <exclude> Jucato: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=223182 is a good one too
[12:24] <mefisto__> I don't know yet, but it's in a directory called X11 (not x11)
[12:25] <mefisto__> wombat_: /etc/X11 I think
[12:25] <mefisto__> if I'm wrong, can someone correct me!!!
[12:26] <exclude> mefisto__: that is correct.
[12:26] <Jucato>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:27] <Jucato> good luck!
[12:29] <Admiral_Chicago> reboots...pshh
[12:29] <Admiral_Chicago> i never turn off my computer
[12:32] <wombat_> mefisto: I've found the backup, do you know how to change it to the original?
[12:33] <berkes> w00t :)
[12:33] <berkes> my fstab UUID change survived the reboot+.
[12:34] <mefisto__> copy your current one as xorg.conf.backup or something like that, then rename the backup to xorg.conf. But if it doesn't work you may not be able to start the desktop, so make sure you can find your way back in a terminal window so you can restore the current xorg.conf
[12:35] <wombat_> mefisto: I don't have privelidges to save the file
[12:37] <alexicon> hiya im having issues with nvidia-glx
[12:37] <_deb_> wombat_: try renaming it as root used. use sudo .
[12:37] <alexicon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:37] <alexicon> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[12:37] <alexicon> when i try to change driver to nvidia from nv it wont even start x
[12:38] <alexicon> Linux ff8k 2.6.15-27-386 #1 PREEMPT Sat Sep 16 01:51:59 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:38] <mefisto__> wombat_: or if you want to do it with conqueror, run command (from the menu) and in options, as different user
[12:38] <alexicon> doesnt like my gentoo xorg.conf file either
[12:38] <mefisto__> wombat_: the command is simply konqueror
[12:39] <mattia> hi to all
[12:39] <Sharketor> how can I set firefox as default browser????
[12:40] <Sharketor> when I click on a link, konqueror starts
[12:40] <mattia> where can I find a library for ubuntu libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[12:40] <mattia> ??
[12:40] <wombat_> what's the command to rename a file?
[12:41] <mefisto__> Sharketor: in system settings > kde components
[12:42] <berkes> hmm. I love "orphaner", why is that not part of kubuntu by default?
[12:42] <berkes> package is deborphan btw-
[12:42] <Sharketor> thanks
[12:43] <mefisto__> berkes: what is it?
[12:43] <Sharketor> another question
[12:43] <berkes> after my upgrade to edgy that tool helped me remove 77 stale packages, nearly 50 megabites of unused apps
[12:43] <Adam_> there are some edgy dvd images available. What differs them from the regular cd isos?
[12:43] <berkes> mefisto__: its a tool to help you clean up and/or identify unused (orphaned) packages.
[12:43] <Sharketor> I can't use keyboard volume key to set system volum.  But later on decide you no longer need beagle.
[12:45] <Adam_> does the dvd version include all the repos and that's all?
[12:45] <berkes> simple apt-get remove beagle will leave you with mono, all sorts of gtk apps and unused lib* packages.
[12:46] <berkes> deborphan allows you to remove all these unused dependencies.
[12:47] <berkes> mefisto__: you can compare it a little with norton cleansweep for linux :)
[12:47] <mefisto__> Sharketor: in system settings > regional & accessibility > keyboard layouts, switch on keyboard layouts and try finding your keyboard in the list. Then you can try setting up keyboard shortcuts in the keyboard shortcuts section
[12:47] <rmi> how can I add linux-headers from apt-get?
[12:48] <pupeno__> When trying to create an encrypted file system with "cryptsetup -y create crypt /dev/hda3" I get the error: "Command failed: Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.07 (2006-05-11)(compat) and kernel driver", any ideas ? is cryptoloop broken in Edgy ?
[12:49] <pupeno__> berkes, mefisto__: aptitude also does automatic removal of unneeded dependencies.
[12:49] <mefisto__> berkes: I think I installed that but was too scared to remove anything
[12:49] <berkes> pupeno__: ah, I did not know that,
[12:50] <berkes> rmi "apt-get linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[12:51] <berkes> rmi: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` obviously
[12:53] <mefisto__> how do you get amarok to play a cd?
[12:56] <berkes> mefisto__: its the third entry in "file" menu
[12:56] <teledyn_> pupeno__: sounds like libdevmapper version is wrong
[12:56] <pupeno__> teledyn_: indeed. Which would mean cryptsetup is broken in Edgy.
[12:56] <teledyn_> pupeno__: and/or the user space tools are not compatible with the version of the kernel module you're using
[12:56] <mefisto__> ok I see it now, but it'd dimmed out for some reason
[12:56] <berkes> mefisto__: but there is a commandline parameter for that too, and you can even use DCOP, if you're hardcore :)
[12:57] <pupeno__> teledyn_: do you know how to see the different versions of the different components ?
[12:57] <teledyn_> pupeno__: did you compile the user space tools yourself, or are they ubuntu's?
[12:57] <pupeno__> teledyn_: ubuntu's (edgy).
[12:57] <teledyn_> pupeno__: what package is cryptsetup part of?
[12:57] <pupeno__> teledyn_: cryptsetup.
[12:57] <berkes> mefisto__: hmm, that is weird, sounds like you are missing some important lib or so. best to ask in #amarok
[12:57] <teledyn_> pupeno__: you can try modinfo <module> for whatever the crypt module is
[12:58] <pupeno__> modinfo: could not find module crypt
[12:58] <pupeno__> er, nevermind. I don't know the name of the mapper module (if there's one).
[12:58] <teledyn_> pupeno__: dpkg -l '*' | grep cryptsetup
[12:59] <teledyn_> pupeno__: lsmod
[12:59] <Sharketor> mefisto: I set my keyboards layout but volume key doesn't work yet
[12:59] <pupeno__> teledyn_: oh, there's another cryptsetup!
[12:59] <berkes> Sharketor: you must see if your keyboard is supported at all.
[12:59] <mefisto__> Sharketor: try to set it up in keyboard shortcuts
[12:59] <teledyn_> pupeno__: i don't know, i've always used encfs and fuse to do fs encryption
[12:59] <berkes> many keyboard manufacturors don't release linux drivers.
[12:59] <teledyn_> pupeno__: apt-cache search cryptsetup
[01:00] <Sharketor> mefisto: where is?
[01:00] <berkes> Sharketor: try this: open amarok, then go to settings. then choose keyboard shortcuts.
[01:00] <mefisto__> Sharketor: same section, just under the keyboard layout on the left
[01:01] <Sharketor> berkes: ok, I try
[01:01] <berkes> Sharketor: but mephisto is right too, what I told is just another route to the same settings :)
[01:02] <Sharketor> berkes: there isn't keyboards shotcuts
[01:02] <berkes> Sharketor: do you see a small "speaker icon" in your systray?
[01:03] <ricanelite> I'm so proud of myself, I finally got Ubuntu Edgy installed and everything so far working correctly, After a 4 days masscare of getting Edgy installed
[01:03] <Sharketor> whit a flag?
[01:03] <berkes> no.
[01:03] <berkes> Sharketor: okay, follow me:
[01:03] <meta> what is the english name of that kde applet that lists the tasks?
[01:04] <Sharketor> ok
[01:04] <berkes> K  System Settings
[01:04] <meta> i want to find about something related inberyl forums, but idunno that's english name
[01:04] <Sharketor> ok
[01:04] <Sharketor> I'm here
[01:04] <berkes> Sharketor: sec, my system is rather slow because of some tasks running in the BG
[01:05] <Sharketor> not to bad
[01:05] <MetaMorfoziS> somebody please check it for me...
[01:05] <Sharketor> I have time
[01:05] <berkes> Sharketor: there you choose "keyboard and mouse"
[01:05] <weedar> How am I supposed to set file associations in FF2.0? I'm unable to "see" any other directories under / than home and media
[01:05] <MetaMorfoziS> Sharketor: then please check what is the english name of that applet that lists the tasks in kicker
[01:05] <berkes> then "shortcuts" in the left hand bar
[01:06] <weedar> so I can't specify anything under /usr/bin, for example
[01:06] <Sharketor> ok
[01:06] <MetaMorfoziS> rightclick on kicker, and  remove applet or whatever, and that is in that menu
[01:06] <MetaMorfoziS> but i dunno what is that's english name
[01:06] <Sharketor> wait wait
[01:07] <berkes> Sharketor, can you fing a "volume" there?
[01:07] <Sharketor> well, in system settings I haven't "keyboard and mouse"
[01:08] <berkes> hmm. I cannot help you then :(
[01:08] <rlj> upgraded from dapper to edgy, trying to get zeroconf to work. avahi-daemon is running, but kpf (mini-taskbar-webserver) claims it can't publish itself so i assume it's not really working yet
[01:10] <Sharketor> berkes: I choose "regional and accesibility"
[01:11] <Sharketor> then "keyboards layouts"
[01:11] <rlj> zeroconf:/ ioslave returns a blank screen as well
[01:11] <Sharketor> then layouts
[01:11] <berkes> Sharketor: afaiks that is wrong.
[01:11] <feldegast> rlj: are u using xgl?
[01:11] <berkes> you need shortcuts, not keyboard layouts!
[01:12] <mefisto__> Sharketor: keyboard shortcuts is right under keyboard layouts
[01:12] <berkes> Sharketor: on my system (Dutch) its the third row, second icon.
[01:13] <Sharketor> ok, I found it
[01:13] <Sharketor> now
[01:13] <rlj> feldegast: no.
[01:14] <rlj> feldegast: not blank as in black, blank as in no icons or text, just konq background
[01:14] <berkes> Sharketor: find out if you see the command "volume up" etc.
[01:15] <Sharketor> now see
[01:15] <wombat_> Woot, all sorted
[01:15] <rlj> feldegast: meaning zeroconf ioslave found nothing, including any localhost service that might be published. i.e. no working zeroconf (at least server). client might be working. dunno if i have any other zeroconf clients on this network
[01:15] <daftvader> hello
[01:16] <daftvader> everyone
[01:16] <rlj> feldegast: since most of the other hosts are win98
[01:16] <daftvader> does anyone get a "test tv" for their usplash?
[01:16] <Sharketor> nothing
[01:16] <Sharketor> there isn't
[01:16] <daftvader> or does anyone know how to get rid of the "test tv" image for the usplash
[01:16] <mefisto__> wombat_: did restoring the backup work?
[01:16] <berkes> Sharketor: then I don't know.
[01:17] <Sharketor> ok thanks
[01:17] <berkes> Sharketor: as I said earlier: find out if your keyboard has linux support at all.-
[01:17] <Sharketor> ok
[01:17] <Sharketor> bye
[01:17] <wombat_> yeah, I just had to work out how to restore it. there's an edit as root command in the right click drop down menu when viewing your files
[01:18] <mefisto__> there is???
[01:18] <berkes> wombat_: there is. But it only works with textfiles. AND when you have one file selected only
[01:19] <mefisto__> ok, in actions submenu. That's handy
[01:20] <ricanelite> Anyone here use XGL Desktop?
[01:21] <wombat_> berkes: Yeah, I was trying to work out how to edit the xorg.config files
[01:21] <Dr_willis> sudo vi /etc/xorg.conf :)
[01:22] <Dr_willis> I dont notice that edit as root menu item.
[01:22] <ricanelite> Is there a Channel for user that use Apple Mac machines to run Ubuntu Linux?
[01:22] <BlueEagle> ricanelite: Yes, it's #ubuntu for the regular ubuntu, this channel for kubuntu and #xubuntu for those who run the xubuntu variant.
[01:22] <BlueEagle> !xgl
[01:22] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[01:22] <Dr_willis> ricanelite, the ubuntu wiki/forums also have some areas just for mac users
[01:23] <wombat_> is there some type of rollback program for system settings? like the system restore in windows?
[01:23] <BlueEagle> wombat_: Not other than backing up configuration files before you alter them. :)
[01:24] <BlueEagle> wombat_: (which everyone does, right?) :)
[01:24] <wombat_> um... yeah... um... of course :D
[01:24] <berkes> did anyone get glmatrix screensaver to work on kubuntu?
[01:24] <BlueEagle> !anyone
[01:24] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:24] <berkes> weird thing is, that it is installed here. Its just not available under the screensaver settings.
[01:25] <BlueEagle> berkes: Have you got glx installed correctly?
[01:25] <berkes> BlueEagle: I think I did, hoz zould I know?
[01:25] <BlueEagle> berkes: glxinfo should tell you.
[01:25] <BlueEagle> berkes: or flglxinfo if you run ATi (i think that's what it's called)
[01:26] <wombat_> in the hardware tab of monitor and display settings there is a test button. I clicked it before, after changing some settings, and got a black and white checked screen with a black X for a cursor. what do you do from there?
[01:26] <Ace> can someone help me get my java to work with firefox
[01:26] <wombat_> besides hittin the reset button :D
[01:26] <BlueEagle> !java
[01:26] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:27] <Ace> ok
[01:27] <Ace> i think i got it installed though
[01:27] <berkes> BlueEagle: I found out that, in order to get more screensavers, the package xscreensaver is required too.
[01:27] <berkes> it works now :/. Weird to see that about 12 screensavers are installed but cannot work :)
[01:27] <BlueEagle> wombat_: Well CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE will restart your X-server. Other than that, I don' know what caused it to appear in the first place. The screen you're describing is the X-server root window w/o any wm running on it.
[01:29] <BlueEagle> ace: Please read the page on help.ubuntu.com and if you're still not getting it working please tell us exactly which step that fails and if possible what error you are getting.
[01:30] <Ace> ok i downloaded it from its website and ran it it installed and dont work
[01:32] <wombat_> BlueEagle: could it be because of faulty graphics card drivers?
[01:33] <BlueEagle> wombat_: It could, but I've never used it so I am unable to effectively debug it. :/
[01:33] <ricanelite> when i type in sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin it says E: Could'nt find package sun-java5-bin
[01:34] <BlueEagle> !repos
[01:34] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:35] <Dr_willis> hmm
[01:35] <Dr_willis> why is it - ive never had to install sun-java5-bin..
[01:35] <Dr_willis> !java
[01:35] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:36] <pupeno_> Once a mapping is defined in /etc/crypttab, how do I activate it ?
[01:37] <deep> I can't see any desktop icon or bar, only start-up programs (kopete and konversation) and rigth-click on desktop don't open any menu
[01:37] <deep> anyone can help?:P
[01:38] <ricanelite> Well, I'm running a PPC Computer which is a Apple Machine and I just got so confuse when i saw the directions for it, lol
[01:38] <Dr_willis> deep,  sounds like your .kde settings got totally messed up
[01:38] <deep> :<
[01:38] <Dr_willis> deep,  could just delete the .kde* dirs and logout/backin and that should kick kde in the head and back to defaults.
[01:41] <Marius_> Hi guys! I am having problems with my mouse. I am using a laptop and an USB optical mouse. After several minutes of operation my USB mouse stops working and I can use only my pad. I tried reinstalling the xserver but nothing happens
[01:43] <wombat_> I have all the repositories enabled in Adept Manager but I can't find the sun-java5-jre
[01:44] <Dr_willis> Marius_,  chedk dmesg output
[01:44] <Riddell> wombat_: you need to add multiverse manually, plus you can't install java through adept yet
[01:45] <wombat_> ok, do I open the root console and type install sun-java5-jre.bin?
[01:45] <wombat_> I have added all of the repositories
[01:45] <Riddell> wombat_: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[01:46] <wombat_> kk, thank you
[01:46] <Dr_willis> .bin is a binary you run..
[01:46] <Dr_willis> best to use the apt-get command. :)
[01:48] <pupeno_> Where do I have to list mappings for cryptsetup to automatically create them upon mounting ?
[01:48] <wombat_> Package sun-java5-jre is not available, but is referred to by another package.  This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source  E: Package sun-java5-jre has no installation candidate
[01:49] <xsacha> wombat: have you ever run update?
[01:49] <Dr_willis> wombat_,  you did a sudo apt-get update  - AFTER you edieted the repositories?
[01:49] <Riddell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#head-b6030233763f831b1ff3a43e7ee3d804fd879ce5
[01:50] <wombat_> xsacha: I don't think so, I've only had this install on the computer for 2 days
[01:50] <xsacha> like Dr_willis said above: sudo apt-get update
[01:50] <wombat_> Dr_willis: sorry, I don't understand
[01:51] <Dr_willis> after chagneing your repos, and  about every day... you want to do the 'sudo apt-get update'   then 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[01:51] <Dr_willis> if you DONT update.. then the changes to the repositories do NOT take affect.
[01:51] <Dr_willis> or effect. :)
[01:51] <Dr_willis> apt-get basics. :)
[01:52] <wombat_> ok, I have done both update and upgrade and still get the same response
[01:52] <wombat_> do I have to add the repositories through the console?
[01:52] <Dr_willis> then either your apt.sources are down.. or the pacakges are messed up on the server...
[01:53] <Dr_willis> i always use the console.. :) its easier.
[01:53] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[01:53] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:53] <Dr_willis> this is on a ppc machine however? Hmm
[01:53] <Dr_willis> or was that anotehr guy?
[01:53] <wombat_> I added them through the adept manager
[01:53] <wombat_> that was someone else
[01:54] <wombat_> mine's a PIII
[01:56] <wombat_> source-o-matic doesn't have the latest distro
[01:57] <drhouse_> hello. i see only 85 refresh.. how can i see lower?
[01:57] <gnomefreak> it will. the person that owns it has alot on his plate right now when he gets time he will update it.
[01:58] <Dr_willis> i still think we need a littel app included iwith the disrtos to help in rebuilding of the sources.list
[01:58] <mefisto__> if I remove my windows hard drive (with grub) and just leave my kubuntu drive, will it boot up?
[01:58] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  ya get any mail back from the frostwire guys? :)
[01:58] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: i have an idea for a project
[01:58] <Admiral_Chicago> that will be insane / really helpful to some people
[01:59] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: not yet but i might not need to
[01:59] <Dr_willis> mefisto__,  you mean physicially remove hda? leaving hdc which has linux on it?
[01:59] <gnomefreak> also havent checked mail t oday yet
[01:59] <mefisto__> Dr_willis: yes exactly
[01:59] <Dr_willis> mefisto__,  grub will get confused. :) and you will need to edit the menu.lst and reisntall grub.
[01:59] <Dr_willis> mefisto__,  but the /etc/fstab shouldent be affected.. unless you move hdc to hda's place.
[02:00] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: there is a command for it but i cant think of it
[02:00] <Dr_willis> removing grub from hda.  will normally need a XP boot cd in rescue mode, to use the 'fixmbr' command.
[02:00] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: to redo the sources.list file
[02:00] <mefisto__> so I reinstall grub before disconnecting hda?
[02:00] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  yea - i rember one from debian days.. but i dident think it worked very well..
[02:01] <gnomefreak> it may not never tried it
[02:01] <Dr_willis> mefisto__,  you can edit the grub configs and put grub on hdc now if you wanted.. yes.
[02:01] <mefisto__> do you have a link to some instructions, Dr_willis?
[02:01] <Dr_willis> mefisto__,  BUT the problem is that grub reenumerates (right word) the drives  when the system starts up. Your hdc of hd(1,1)  or whatever just moved up the chain.
[02:02] <Dr_willis> mefisto__,  the grub homepage/manual is very very well done and worth reading. :)
[02:02] <wombat_> !grub
[02:02] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:02] <Dr_willis> install grub to hdc.  then when ya boot after removing the hd. you may have to edit the grub boot lines to use the proper (hd0,1) or whatever entry
[02:03] <Dr_willis> also rember that grub starts counting at 0 :)
[02:07] <wombat_> can you make GRUB boot the windows install by default? my wife's upset that she has to make it boot to windows.
[02:08] <pupeno_> I am trying to configure pam mount to mount my encrypted filesystem. My problem is it tries to mount /dev/mapper/pupeno without first creating the mapping. Do you know what might I be missing ?
[02:09] <xsacha> !grub
[02:09] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:09] <mattia> !ls
[02:09] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:09] <mattia> !apt-get
[02:09] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[02:10] <xsacha> wombat_: try man grub
[02:10] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo apt-get remove wife :)
[02:10] <xsacha> and try that grubhowto
[02:11] <xsacha> you should be able to change it easily in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:12] <mefisto__> wombat_: I edited /boot/grub/menu.lst today to do exactly what you're asking
[02:12] <grill_>  scp wife -> Admiral_Chicago
[02:12] <mefisto__> wombat_: just put XP at the top
[02:14] <Admiral_Chicago> grill_: man i once told a girl i wouldn't date her because she was running windows
[02:14] <grill_> lol
[02:14] <xsacha> and she told you she wouldnt date you anyway because you're running linux?
[02:14] <py_> hello, it seems that kubuntu edgy (6.10) installer does not support reiserfs anymore. Does someone know why?
[02:15] <xsacha> yes, on purpose.. py_ .. you can of course just make a reiser partition yourself
[02:15] <Jucato> py_: the Desktop installer never had a reiserfs option. even in Dapper
[02:15] <dude_> jucato !
[02:15] <dude_> :)
[02:15] <Jucato> dude_: hi!
[02:16] <Jucato> py_: the Alternate Install CD has a reiserfs option
[02:16] <dude_> jucato: tagay na ! hehehe
[02:16] <Admiral_Chicago> xsacha: whatever that's not the type of girl I want
[02:16] <py_> Jucato: hum, I'm perhaps confusing server and desktop version, but at least one of these had reiserfs support.
[02:16] <py_> Is there a technical reason not to include it on the "default" install cd?
[02:16] <Jucato> py_: there are 3 CD's: Desktop CD, Alternate Install CD, and Server CD. only the Desktop CD has no reiserfs
[02:16] <dude_> !beryl
[02:16] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[02:17] <xsacha> people complained about losing data on reiser or something
[02:17] <Jucato> py_: according to the devs, it's because the QtParted used in the installer doesn't suppor reiserfs yet
[02:18] <Dr_willis> reiserfs - the most loved and hated fs in the world. :)
[02:18] <xsacha> py_ it's pretty simple to just make the reiser yourself though :) mkreiserfs is incredibly easy to type
[02:18] <dude_> jucato: what's the command again for downloading and installing xubuntu or edubuntu?
[02:18] <dude_> !xgl
[02:18] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:19] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop  (perhaps)
[02:19] <Jucato> dude_: "sudo aptitude update" and "sudo aptitude install -R xubuntu-desktop"
[02:19] <Jucato> dude_: you could use apt-get if you want
[02:19] <dude_> jucato: tnx, tagay na ! hehehe
[02:19] <py_> xsacha: i know, I'm used to do it that way, but I just got a call from a friend who was confused by this lack of option, and which is not used to doing stuff "by hand". He was quite positive about having found it on a 6.06 Ubuntu CD previously, so he was quite surprised by the lack of it.
[02:19] <Jucato> heheh later dude_. work first before pleasure :)
[02:20] <Jucato> py_: the *Ubuntu* Destkop CD has that option, because GParted supports it
[02:20] <Jucato> *Kubuntu* doesn't. it uses QtParted
[02:20] <py_> Jucato: yeah, that's why I specifically came here abiout Kubunty, as he is installing Kubuntu this time.
[02:20] <Jucato> py_: well, know you know :)
[02:20] <xsacha> i would have thought it'd be much easier for it support reiser than ext3 lol
[02:21] <py_> Jucato: yep, thank you!
[02:21] <dude_> jucato: actually we're drinkin right now with my friends, they're trying the linux OS, they want to feel the power of the open source OS :)
[02:21] <Jucato> lol
[02:22] <ubuntu__> Is it possible to retain your /home directory while doing a new install instead of an update?
[02:22] <dude_> jucatu: Xp loyalist
[02:23] <Jucato> ubuntu__: only if you put it in a separate partition
[02:24] <ubuntu__> jucato, so I would have to create a new partition in 6.06, and then just make sure not to format that particular partition when i go to install 6.10?
[02:24] <Jucato> ubuntu__: /home must be on a separate partition. so basically that's a "yes"
[02:25] <Pastilhas_VViki> whats the ubuntu police for new versions?
[02:25] <dude_> jucatu: can i have your mobile #? : )
[02:26] <Jucato> dude_: no :P
[02:26] <dude_> ;)
[02:26] <gebruiker> I want to setup a /etc/network/interfaces for my wifi card How do I do that?
[02:26] <ubuntu__> Well I mean, I already have the /home directory, and there are files in it I do not want to lose... If I simply don't choose to format that particular partition while installing 6.10, and assign that partition as my /home partition, will my old files still be there?
[02:28] <ubuntu__> with the /home directory already being it's own partition
[02:29] <mefisto__> is there a way to show disk usage (free space) in kubuntu gui?
[02:29] <Jucato> ubuntu__: as long as /home is on that other partition and you don't format that partition during the installation
[02:29] <Jucato> mefisto__: install "filelight"
[02:30] <ubuntu__> jucato, thanks
[02:30] <xsacha> anyone else her elike yakuake?
[02:32] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: was talking to motu to see if it will save me a day or 2 see if we cant get it in repos
[02:32] <gnomefreak> but it would only be in feisty
[02:32] <gnomefreak> Jucato: frostwire
[02:32] <Jucato> ah
[02:32] <Jucato> :)
[02:33] <gnomefreak> since everyone uses it and the installer wont install on edgy without tweeking it
[02:33] <xsacha> is frostwire identical to limewire or improved?
[02:33] <xsacha> or worse?
[02:33] <Jucato> because of DASH?
[02:33] <gnomefreak> yep
[02:33] <gnomefreak> xsacha: about the same
[02:33] <Jucato> !frostwire > xsacha
[02:33] <gnomefreak> ones free ones not
[02:34] <xsacha> yes i know that Jucato :P but that doesnt help
[02:34] <gnomefreak> gui might be a little different
[02:34] <Jucato> lol
[02:34] <Jucato> sorry xsacha :)
[02:34] <xsacha> i've seen it, just wasnt able to install ot
[02:35] <xsacha> im using KTorrent and Apollon..
[02:35] <gnomefreak> yeah sometimes a torrent but not big ont hem
[02:35] <xsacha> i always get bad, but most importantly random speeds on torrent
[02:35] <gnomefreak> brb
[02:36] <xsacha> since tomorrow is last day of month, i need to d/l a lot, fast.. on irc i can d/l 4gb/hour but there isnt enough on here
[02:36] <xsacha> any ideas for speed + a lot of stuff to download? :)
[02:36] <Jucato> oh... All Hallow's Eve...
[02:37] <mefisto__> I've installed filelight. Does it work within konqueror? I can't find it in the menus
[02:37] <xsacha> i saw 300 million GB on OpenFT network, but still couldnt find everything i wanted :(
[02:37] <Jucato> mefisto__: it should be under Utilities
[02:38] <Jucato> mefisto__: but if you really want a very very simple way to check disk space, just right-click on an empty space in Konqueror (file management mode) and select Properties, look towards the bottom of the box
[02:38] <xsacha> konsole is simple...
[02:39] <Jucato> xsacha: he was asking for a GUI way :)
[02:39] <xsacha> konsole is a gui app :) it just has a terminal inside it ;)
[02:39] <mefisto__> no Jucato, I just meant non-console method
[02:39] <xsacha> :(
[02:40] <Jucato> mefisto__: er?
[02:40] <mefisto__> thanks xsacha
[02:40] <xsacha> got 50% of my swap memory used :(
[02:41] <Jucato> :(
[02:41] <mikel28> ROFL
[02:42] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i had to tell a kid today, I barely feel safe running Ktorrent on Linux
[02:42] <Admiral_Chicago> forget Bearshare on Windows
[02:42] <xsacha> lol bearshare
[02:42] <mikel28> forget windows
[02:42] <Admiral_Chicago> why would anyone put themselves through that
[02:42] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: don't know bearshare :)
[02:43] <Admiral_Chicago> it's a p2p app, I used it once
[02:43] <Jucato> ah. I never had trouble with torrents, even in Windows. but Limewire + older sister = not a good combination
[02:43] <FlameMaster> hey guys, quick question
[02:43] <xsacha> its not torrents i think jucato
[02:44] <Jucato> ah
[02:44] <FlameMaster> can I write to NTFS volumes on kubuntu edgy?
[02:44] <Jucato> told you I didn't know anything about bearshare :P
[02:44] <xsacha> gnutella probably, or donkey or something
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> FlameMaster: not safely
[02:44] <Jucato> FlameMaster: basically, no. there are *experimental* ways though. beta stuff
[02:44] <xsacha> FlameMaster: you can write to them so long as you do not change the filesize :D
[02:45] <FlameMaster> Admiral_Chicago: Yes, I have read about the "experimental" ways (captive, ntfs3g, etc)
[02:45] <FlameMaster> what I meant was: Out of the Box NTFS write support on edgy Y/N?
[02:45] <Jucato> no
[02:45] <FlameMaster> even if it's not safe
[02:45] <gnomefreak> no
[02:45] <gnomefreak> FlameMaster: not safe at all
[02:45] <FlameMaster> ah ok
[02:46] <BluesKaj> what's the command for installing an *.xpi file ?
[02:46] <Jucato> well, you could always give read/write permissions to your NTFS partition... but...
[02:46] <Admiral_Chicago> FlameMaster: i read about ntsf3g but i'm just not sure. besides i like ext3
[02:46] <FlameMaster> Jucato: I'd rather try with captive... has anyone tested that?
[02:46] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: for firefox?
[02:46] <BluesKaj> yes
[02:46] <xsacha> FlameMaster: the kernel is compiled with write permission, but it's so long as you dont change the filesize
[02:47] <FlameMaster> Admiral_Chicago: Well, too bad I still have to use windows :S
[02:47] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: open ff go to tools and plugins than install and choose the .xpi and it will install it for you
[02:47] <Jucato> aah firefox stuff...
[02:47] <xsacha> FlameMaster: you can create a large but empty file (when in windows) and then mount to it when you get into linux and because it wont change the file size, you can write to it as much as you want
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> FlameMaster: i know maybe think about using Fat32
[02:47] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: downloading them should install them for you
[02:47] <xsacha> FlameMaster: there's a tutorial for it
[02:47] <BluesKaj> cool, thx gnomefreak :)
[02:47] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: mostly thunderbird needs you to save it first
[02:47] <FlameMaster> xsacha: uri?
[02:48] <Marius_> how about reading/writing linux partitions from windows
[02:48] <FlameMaster> Marius_: Linux Drives plugin for Total Commander
[02:48] <gnomefreak> Marius_: its possible. safe not too sure about
[02:48] <FlameMaster> Marius_: It only supports reading and doesn't support logical volumes, though
[02:48] <gnomefreak> remember back up everything you need to save beofre writing to anything ;)
[02:48] <FlameMaster> Admiral_Chicago: I'm not going to change my partition from NTFS to FAT32
[02:49] <FlameMaster> Admiral_Chicago: too risky
[02:49] <andrerav> hi - I have some problems with konsole schemas and transparency. If I set "transparent konsole" as default schema, the first tab in konsole will have a transparent terminal. However any subsequent tabs will have a black and non-transparent terminal. I have tried resetting my konsolerc, and logging in with a brand new user - but to no avail. This also affects yakuake. Anyone know what's going on? (I'm on edgy, but this problem started in dapper)
[02:49] <FlameMaster> Admiral_Chicago: I do have some sort of "swap" fat32 partition
[02:49] <Admiral_Chicago> FlameMaster: it's was too risky to resize a NTSF partition, that is how i hosed my XP partition
[02:49] <FlameMaster> Admiral_Chicago: : that's what I said
[02:50] <Admiral_Chicago> decided XP was not worth the trouble
[02:50] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, I'm trying to install Media wrap which is in beta at a different site than Firefox xtns , so there is no self installer for it
[02:50] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: save it to home and try to install it that way
[02:50] <xsacha> FlameMaster: http://bisqwit.iki.fi/story/howto/ntfs/
[02:50] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: since it wont install for you
[02:50] <FlameMaster> Admiral_Chicago: I'm just waiting to buy a 250GiB HD, backup all my NTFS partitions, and then format on fat32
[02:51] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: i cant test it atm since im not using ff 1.5-2.0
[02:51] <FlameMaster> xsacha: tanks
[02:51] <FlameMaster> *thanks
[02:51] <xsacha> that sort of write support will work out of the box FlameMaster :) but it all has to be put in same file (sort of like an archive/rar)
[02:51] <BluesKaj> I did and i keep getting the same "not found" message
[02:51] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: what is the URL
[02:51] <gnomefreak> ill see if i cant do it here :(
[02:51] <Admiral_Chicago> FlameMaster: backups are a good idea regardless
[02:51] <FlameMaster> has anyone tried mounting a Captive-NTFS partition?
[02:52] <gnomefreak> but i doubt its built for my version
[02:52] <FlameMaster> I did once, but messed up someway and couldn't write
[02:52] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, http://www.box.net/public/gqrm6lzeou
[02:52] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: brb lets see if i can figure this out
[02:53] <FlameMaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_NTFS
[02:54] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: once saved right click the saved package adn open with firefox :)
[02:55] <dude_> jucatu: is beryl stable?
[02:55] <gnomefreak> you will need to choose open with other app than choose firefox
[02:55] <gnomefreak> and it should bring up the install dialog
[02:55] <MenZa> tunicwriter!
[02:56] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: welcome tot he world of people making our lives a bit more diffucult
[02:56] <ja> Hi folks. I installed Dapper on my laptop a few months back and at the moment, everything is perfect. But I'm curious about how people are getting on with edgy?
[02:57] <FlameMaster> ja: My networking teacher was also using Dapper on his laptop, and recently upgraded to edgy. Everything is working smoothly.
[02:57] <xsacha> no probs for me in edgy, but heard about a lot of trouble upgrading from dapper to it
[02:57] <gnomefreak> ja: some good some not so good
[02:57] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, right on, i should have known that , DOH! ...thx :)
[02:57] <gnomefreak> ja: i havent had issues with edgy in a long time
[02:58] <shanden_> buongiornooo
[02:58] <BluesKaj> !it
[02:58] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:59] <Marius_> ja: I used dapper on my laptop and just updated... after reboot I had too manually install kubuntu-desktop
[02:59] <Marius_> but after that everything is well
[02:59] <gnomefreak> using update-manager fixes that :)
[02:59] <BluesKaj> oh, another small annoyance gnomefreak, is there s a fix for the screensaver bug yet ...the timer works ok , the slideshow doesn't work ?
[02:59] <Marius_> except I have a problem wiht my usb mouse which stops working after a few min.. and i can only use my pad
[03:00] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: for ksnapshot?
[03:00] <Marius_> gnomefreak: i used synaptic and did not work
[03:00] <Mon> i have a upgrade-to-edgy problem. probably because the upgrade was interupted. biggest problem seems to be: "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state, you should reinstall it before attempting a removal". but using -f with apt-get doesn't work
[03:00] <gnomefreak> Marius_: gksudo update-manager -c
[03:01] <gnomefreak> Mon: would that be a curror package
[03:01] <Marius_> gnomefreak: thanks.. i will try that
[03:01] <gnomefreak> cant spell
[03:01] <BluesKaj> no, i use my pictures as the source file for the systems/desktop screensaver
[03:01] <|WAL|> where does Adept/Apt keep logs of what was installed/updated/removed?
[03:01] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: didnt know there was a bug in it sorry
[03:01] <BluesKaj> err, "my pictures"
[03:02] <Mon> gnomefreak: i wouldnt know, it does depend on libeel2-2 which version is not yet available it seems
[03:02] <BluesKaj> ok, a ot of us have the same problem it seems
[03:02] <Mon> gnomefreak: but i've upgrade my other pc to edgy about 2 weeks ago with no problems
[03:02] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: anyone file a bug yet?
[03:03] <wombat_> how do you install a *bin file?
[03:03] <gnomefreak> Mon: try gksudo "update-manager -c"
[03:03] <gnomefreak> wonyou run them not install them
[03:03] <gnomefreak> wombat_: sh file.bin
[03:03] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, only one that i saw
[03:03] <Mon> gnomefreak: i think that'd just be a dist-upgrade. which doesn't work because of a lot of dep. problems. also no X atm
[03:03] <shadowhywind> can anyone help me set up my swap partition, which kubuntu refuses to see!
[03:03] <Mon> shadowhywind: tried mkswap ?
[03:04] <gnomefreak> Mon: update-manager -c will update your system from dapper to edgy. it fixes depends for you
[03:04] <Tm_T> Hi kkathman.
[03:04] <Mon> gnomefreak: probably, but as i said, no X/gnome whatever atm. system won't even boot. i'm in a chrooted env. now
[03:04] <shadowhywind> when i do mkswap i get Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 534605 kB, no label, UUID=613c8660-13f3-49f6-a5ba-fd40a108aa38
[03:04] <gnomefreak> Mon: ah
[03:04] <kkathman> greetings Tm_T :)
[03:04] <gnomefreak> try sudo apt-get -f install
[03:04] <Mon> shadowhywind: then swapon -a, or swapon /dev/swapdevice i think
[03:05] <Mon> gnomefreak: like i said, that doesn't work :)
[03:05] <shadowhywind> do i have to update fstab?
[03:05] <Mon> shadowhywind: if it's not already in there yeah
[03:05] <Mon> gnomefreak: then i get the nautilus problem
[03:05] <gnomefreak> Mon: than install xserver-xorg xorg -xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-all
[03:05] <shadowhywind> now the funny thing, is it will work, it will load on boot, but the moment i try to hibernate it fails to load on bootup
[03:05] <gnomefreak> ack
[03:06] <Mon> gnomefreak: it's installed but i just have a broken system atm
[03:06] <Mon> gnomefreak: the GUI thing wont help me, it just calls apt-get and dpkg...
[03:06] <gnomefreak> Mon: is it installed or just downloaded?
[03:06] <gnomefreak> Mon: pastebint he full errors
[03:06] <Mon> shadowhywind: sorry i have no experience with hibernating. it's a bit on a works-per-machine basis
[03:06] <gnomefreak> pastebin the
[03:07] <Mon> gnomefreak: it was a running dapper system upgraded to edgy, but someone interupted the upgrade halfway which may have something to do with it
[03:07] <shadowhywind> the other funny thing, is it was working perfectly in dapper, once i did the upgrade it stopped working