[13:39] <Cimi_> kwwii,
[13:45] <kwwii> Cimi_: hey
[13:45] <Cimi_> feedback?
[14:15] <kwwii> Cimi_: my laptop b0rked on me yesterday...won't start now
[14:15] <kwwii> Cimi_: I'll build it again on this computer in a bit
[15:39] <kwwii> Cimi_: erm, murrine doesn't build
[15:39] <kwwii> ooops, I take that back
[15:39] <kwwii> :p
[15:40] <kwwii> I spent the morning in open office, no wonder I can no longer think logicaly
[15:43] <kwwii> Cimi_: perfect
[15:44] <kwwii> Cimi_: need to make the fill a bit less colorful now I guess :)
[15:44] <kwwii> the box is kinda clunky now that I see it again
[15:44] <kwwii> but it will solve all the bugs being reported
[15:49] <_MMA_> kwwii: Just a Murrine update right? Nothing new to add to gtkrcs?
[15:53] <kwwii> _MMA_: right, just an update to the engine
[15:53] <kwwii> _MMA_: build it locally, it's simple
[15:55] <_MMA_> Not that big a deal for now.
[16:05] <kwwii> right
[16:10] <kwwii> Cimi_: did you add something to murrine which styles the panel differently?
[16:10] <kwwii> I'm seeing some wierd behavior with some applets
[16:12] <Cimi_> kwwii, explain
[16:14] <Cimi_> kwwii, in murrine_draw.c, function murrine_draw_focus, there are the double values of the alpha level, twek with them
[16:14] <Cimi_> anyway don't test murrine with human theme
[16:14] <Cimi_> the focus should look ok with other themes, now human
[16:15] <kwwii> Cimi_: it seems like there is a lower 3D-ish edge to some applet bg's even when the panel bg is set to a solid color by the theme
[16:15] <Cimi_> if you want to change the focus color, just edit the gtkrcoption
[16:15] <kwwii> Cimi_: this effects Dust Sand and others
[16:15] <Cimi_> I would like to see a screenshot
[16:18] <Cimi_> reboot
[16:24] <kwwii> erm, sorry...family problems, gotta run
[16:26] <Cimi> ok ;)
[16:41] <thorwil> about cloud computing: http://www.ende-der-vernunft.org/files/joern/20090324-geekandpokeg.jpg
[17:21] <kwwii> Cimi: ok, re
[17:22] <kwwii> Cimi: http://sinecera.de/panel-funkiness.png shows the problem
[17:22] <kwwii> but now that i look at it, I think this is not just a murrine problem
[17:22] <kwwii> it also happens with clearlooks
[17:59] <Cimi> kwwii, what about the focus? things to improve, ideas for the treeview
[18:47] <kwwii> Cimi: let me play around with some ideas and see what comes out of it
[18:48] <kwwii> making pizza for the family atm
[19:05] <Cimi> kwwii, wonna some tricks from your italian friend? :)
[21:30] <MadsRH> Does anyone know if there's a SVG file available for the new Jaunty wallpaper?
[21:31] <Cimi> kwwii, and you should fix the wallpaper!
[21:35] <MadsRH> Or does anyone know where I can download a hi-res version of the PNG?
[23:03] <smallfoot-> its very difficult to see the difference between the active and inactive windows in the taskbar with ubuntu-human theme
[23:11] <Cimi> kwwii, please mockups!
[23:13] <_MMA_> Cimi: He ain't gonna do it now. :) It's like midnight. :)
[23:38] <kwwii> Cimi: _MMA_ is right, it is too late tonight, and the biggest problem I have had is a decent way to test ideas...do you know how to test the treeview best?
[23:38] <kwwii> ie, I am not sure exactly what you mean :p
[23:38] <kwwii> but honestly, tonight I am done...I think I am getting a cold
[23:38] <_MMA_> kwwii: Apply theme and use treeview in Nautilus?
[23:38] <_MMA_> (in the sice pane)
[23:39] <_MMA_> *side
[23:39] <kwwii> personally, I think that all the highlights should look the same
[23:39] <kwwii> some should be more saturated or opaque than others
[23:39] <kwwii> but the general look should be the same
[23:40] <kwwii> I like the idea of a rounded box with a mainly transparent fill
[23:40] <kwwii> but I also liked the fill with the line for the buttons
[23:42] <kwwii> anyway, time for sleep
[23:42] <kwwii> I will be online tomorrow
[23:42] <kwwii> and working
[23:42] <kwwii> get back to you asap
[23:43] <_MMA_> night


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[14:47] <tdaitx> could anybody help out and set importance of LP: #1646927 to Medium? It affects openjdk's StrictMath performance on ppc64el.


[05:26]  * enyc meows
[05:31] <Mekaneck> sigh... you'll never kearn. Ignore it is then.
[05:36] <enyc> I wonder how close to 21.10 release, users wish to .
[05:36] <enyc> I wonder how close to 21.10 release, users firnd its' "usable" in some manner
[05:36] <enyc> similar for any interim release
[05:37]  * enyc hrrms at  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[06:52]  * enyc thinks ..,,oo(( when does Debian get merged in, and so-on? ))oo,,..


[00:16] <phillw> Hi good people, can some one have a look into bug 964705 I thought it had been solved, but it seems solved everywhere but ubuntu
[00:16] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 964705 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/964705
[00:26] <lfaraone> that awkward moment when you reply to a mailing list posting and realise you are Wrong a few seconds afterwards.
[00:27] <lfaraone> albeit only partially
[00:44] <phillw> lfaraone: it is called life... we have all done it, do not beat your self up over it.
[01:15] <MichaelTunnell> hello, I submitted a bug in my package regarding the repo version but I have no received an update except from a bot turning it to "confirmed".
[01:16] <MichaelTunnell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uget/+bug/1278233
[01:16] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1278233 in uget (Ubuntu) "Update uGet for 14.04 Trusty Tahr (needs libappindicator)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:17] <MichaelTunnell> the same bug was reported in October of last year for an older package but no one (who could fix it) commented on it then either.
[01:17] <MichaelTunnell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uget/+bug/1246697
[01:17] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1246697 in uget (Ubuntu) "Uget tray icon not showing" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:18] <MichaelTunnell> the same bug was already reported 2 years ago. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uget/+bug/925137
[01:18] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 925137 in uget (Ubuntu) "uGet not built with AppIndicator support" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[01:18] <MichaelTunnell> so can I please get someone to help me fix the package?
[01:19] <TJ-> You should contact the package maintainer
[01:20] <MichaelTunnell> I did. He is the Debian guy for the package but he hasn't responded about it either
[01:20] <MichaelTunnell> all I need is to make it build with libappindicator...that's it
[01:22] <TJ-> Well it would be best to get the change into Debian and then sync with that, if he is maintainer for both, then he's the guy
[01:22] <teward> have you considered filing a bug on this in Debian?
[01:22] <teward> because that's probably the best way to get their attention
[01:22] <MichaelTunnell> but Debian doesn't use libappindicator, that is an Ubuntu package unless I'm mistaken
[01:23] <TJ-> MichaelTunnell: Ahhh, I see what you mean, so there needs to be a diff between Debian and Ubuntu
[01:23] <MichaelTunnell> yes, and that is the only diff
[01:23] <teward> which release were you expecting to get this in
[01:23] <teward> because i think you might have a problem getting this SRU'd, and this would only get into trusty
[01:23] <teward> (this close to feature freeze, though... I dunno)
[01:23] <TJ-> MichaelTunnell: Are you able to produce the diff/patch so the maintainer can merge it?
[01:23] <MichaelTunnell> 14.04 which it is already in the repo for 14.04 with our latest release...just that one feature is not
[01:24] <TJ-> I'd think if the maintainer has been lax, an FFE  wouldn't be rejected
[01:24] <MichaelTunnell> teward: I dont mind getting backports later as long as I can get it into trusty
[01:24] <teward> considering uget is in universe i don't think it *has* a maintainer
[01:24] <teward> or, at least not a maintainer in Ubuntu
[01:24] <MichaelTunnell> yea the maintainer is just the guy from debian
[01:24] <teward> (this is the case with a lot of packages)
[01:24] <MichaelTunnell> and he just pulls the debian version in
[01:25] <TJ-> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uget
[01:25] <teward> actually Ubuntu does that on their own
[01:25] <teward> :P
[01:25] <teward> autosyncs ;P
[01:25] <MichaelTunnell> ahh
[01:26] <TJ-> You'd need to grab a MOTU and offer them a patch, probably a bzr branch they can easily merge
[01:27] <MichaelTunnell> MOTU?
[01:27] <MichaelTunnell> what does that mean
[01:27] <TJ-> Masters of the Univerise
[01:27] <TJ-> s/Univerise/Universe/
[01:27] <MichaelTunnell> ok that makes even less sense
[01:27] <MichaelTunnell> lol
[01:27] <MichaelTunnell> oh ok
[01:27] <teward> actually you'd need a Sponsor
[01:27] <teward> not necessarily a MOTU
[01:27] <TJ-> The maintainers of the "Universe" pocket
[01:27] <teward> TJ-: perhaps you need to read up on sponsoring
[01:28] <teward> !sponsoring
[01:28] <ubot2`> You can find out about the package sponsorship process here http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess - For !UDS sponsorship see http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/sponsorship/
[01:28] <teward> doesn't *require* a MOTU
[01:28] <teward> but they will critique your stuff
[01:28] <MichaelTunnell> not sure how to make a patch
[01:29] <MichaelTunnell> though we have a ppa with the correct stuff
[01:29] <MichaelTunnell> if that doesnt help I can contact the main developer and see if he will do it...I'm pretty much the designer with only slight programming...so this is past my skill level
[01:30] <TJ-> Where's your PPA?
[01:30] <MichaelTunnell> https://launchpad.net/~plushuang-tw
[01:30] <MichaelTunnell> only thing in there is uget
[01:30] <teward> you have two versions :p
[01:31] <teward> which one is based off the debian version
[01:31] <teward> or off the ubuntu version
[01:31] <teward> if neither are based off those then the patch has to be made by hand
[01:31] <MichaelTunnell> we made the ppa version before both
[01:31] <MichaelTunnell> so guess neither
[01:32] <MichaelTunnell> except for an old version but not recents
[01:32] <teward> what actually needs to be done to make this work
[01:32] <teward> i may be able to try and handwrite a debdiff for you assuming you have a bug for this
[01:33] <MichaelTunnell> libappindicator needs to be included in the Ubuntu package...thats the only thing wrong with the ubuntu version
[01:33] <teward> that's vague
[01:33] <teward> is it a build dep or a runtime dep or both :P
[01:33] <TJ-> MichaelTunnell: I don't see any diff between your latest package and the one in Ubuntu
[01:33] <teward> next question is whether the two bugs on this are dupes of them
[01:33] <teward> (brb)
[01:34] <MichaelTunnell> one is an issue from an old version
[01:34] <MichaelTunnell> the 2012 bug is old
[01:34] <MichaelTunnell> my bug is for 1.10.4 and the other is for 1.10.3
[01:34] <TJ-> OK, my mistake, I ran against the wrong directory!
[01:34] <MichaelTunnell> though the difference between those two have nothing to do with libappindicator
[01:35] <MichaelTunnell> :)
[01:35] <TJ-> MichaelTunnell: so all you want to add is debian/control Build-Depends "libappindicator3-dev,"
[01:35] <MichaelTunnell> that should be all that is needed but to be honest I am not totally sure as I'm just the lowly designer :)
[01:36] <TJ-> lets find out then
[01:38] <MichaelTunnell> thanks
[01:38] <MichaelTunnell> wait are you saying you are doing that or do Ineed to contact the dev?
[01:40] <TJ-> I'm doing it
[01:44] <TJ-> MichaelTunnell: Do you have a clean Unity-based system you can test the binary on - one that hasn't had the package installed previously ? I don't use Gnome here so not sure if I can test it correctly
[01:46] <MichaelTunnell> I can load up a liveusb sure
[01:47] <TJ-> Hmm, it seems ok. On KDE I have a green "G" icon
[01:47] <MichaelTunnell> I havent tried it in kde on ubuntu
[01:47] <TJ-> I might have a clean desktop VM here, let me check
[01:47] <MichaelTunnell> ok
[02:13] <MichaelTunnell> where do I get the package to test it?
[02:14] <TJ-> MichaelTunnell: http://iam.tj/projects/misc/uget-trusty-appindicator.png
[02:14] <TJ-> Is that correct?
[02:15] <teward> TJ-: did you build it locally on your system (pbuilder or sbuild or something?)
[02:16] <MichaelTunnell> TJ-: yep that looks good
[02:16] <MichaelTunnell> close the app and tell it to minimize to tray
[02:17] <MichaelTunnell> then try "show main window" from tray
[02:17] <MichaelTunnell> and that would mean it works fine
[02:20] <TJ-> MichaelTunnell: Yes, that works
[02:20] <TJ-> teward: Yes
[02:25] <MichaelTunnell> then awesome
[02:25] <TJ-> MichaelTunnell: OK, The bug is now linked to my bzr branch containing the fix, so you just to get it sponsored and merged
[02:25] <MichaelTunnell> i have no idea how to do that
[02:25] <TJ-> MichaelTunnell: If you refresh the bug-page you'll see it under "Related branches"
[02:26] <MichaelTunnell> how do I get it sponsored?
[02:27] <TJ-> MichaelTunnell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[02:28] <MichaelTunnell> thanks
[02:32] <TJ-> MichaelTunnell: I've proposed it for merge, you can watch its progress here:  https://code.launchpad.net/~tj/ubuntu/trusty/uget/lp1278233/+merge/206571
[02:34] <MichaelTunnell> sweet thanks
[02:34] <MichaelTunnell> do I still need to get it sponsored?
[02:35] <TJ-> It might help to get some attention, but the merge request should be seen in the queue, it just depends if anyone is interested/free enough
[02:37] <MichaelTunnell> I know someone from Canonical who might be wiling to throw some eyes at it (he isn't a developer which is why I didn't ask for help from him about this issue)
[02:38] <MichaelTunnell> thank you very much for your assistance
[02:39] <TJ-> MichaelTunnell: You're welcome, fortunately for you it was a trivial patch :)
[02:40] <MichaelTunnell> :) indeed...we typically don't have large bugs so if we do have bugs it is usually something like this :)
[17:20] <phillw> bdmurray: ping.
[17:25] <phillw> hi.. any bug masters about?


[01:00] <shahan> problem on downloading Torrent
[01:00] <shahan> everyone is saying that they are getting spedd while downloading torrent
[01:01] <shahan> but I am getting not more then 25-30 KBps
[01:01] <phillw> shahan: all bets are off for about 48 hours
[01:01] <shahan> phillw: bets?
[01:02] <phillw> if there are more leeches than seeders the rate drops, sadly too many leeches and not enough seeders. the majority are just "me, me, me" and do not understand that giving a little helps.
[01:03] <shahan> phillw: but getting seed 39(6748) and peers 9(3917)
[01:05] <phillw> shahan: idk, all i know is that i don't bother for at least 48 hours.
[01:12] <pedro3005> fala lobinho
[01:12] <lobinho> \o
[01:18] <lobinho> it seems not everybody is very happy that Lucid Lynx was released today
[01:19] <ddecator> no release ever satisfies everyone =p
[01:19] <lobinho> but what about the celebration, the big event? D:
[01:20] <ddecator> celebrations happen throughout the first month of release =)
[01:20] <ddecator> right now is the "yay, upgrade bugs..." celebration
[01:20] <pedro3005> hey ddecator
[01:20] <ddecator> hey pedro3005
[01:21] <pedro3005> how are you?
[01:21] <ddecator> pretty good, just finished a midterm today, so now i can relax a little. busy weekend though. yourself?
[01:21] <lobinho> come to think of it, I downloaded the first alpha that was released and it worked almost perfectly
[01:21] <lobinho> only the partitioner had some issues
[01:22] <ddecator> lobinho: that's fairly common with LTS where they aren't making too many major under-the-hood changes
[01:22] <lobinho> hmm, I see
[01:23] <ddecator> normal releases, i wait until a3, and even then they can be pretty buggy (at least in the past they have been)
[01:23] <pedro3005> Oh, I'm good
[01:27] <pedro3005> ddecator, how's Python? :P
[01:27]  * phillw coughs at pedro3005 saying he is O:-)
[01:27] <ddecator> pedro3005: didn't get a chance to work on it yesterday, gonna practice a little tonight =)
[01:27] <pedro3005> hello, phillw
[01:28] <pedro3005> ddecator, fun :) I'm stuck on the same problem you were, except in C
[01:29] <ddecator> pedro3005: haha, fun stuff. btw, i asked in -team, but do you have a program you would recommend for writing py3 scripts? geanie is just py2 and idle is pretty basic for actual writing..
[01:29] <pedro3005> ddecator, Python 3 and 2 aren't different enough that you'd need a different program... I use GEdit for all my programming
[01:29] <pedro3005> and I love it :D
[01:30] <lobinho> cli rlz *-*
[01:30] <pedro3005> lobinho, no vim thank you
[01:30] <pedro3005> :p
[01:30] <lobinho> I mean the compiler ;)
[01:30] <ddecator> pedro3005: following the byte of python, i've run into a few things that he uses that are in python3 but not 2. yah, i've used gedit for editing files when packaging, i like the scheme it uses for coloring the scripts
[01:31] <pedro3005> lobinho, compile python? dunno what you have been smoking...
[01:31] <lobinho> I never learned Python, so I don't have a clue whether it is compiled or interpreted :p
[01:32] <pedro3005> interpreted as they get
[01:32] <lobinho> I'm just saying I prefer compiling stuff through cli :p
[01:32] <pedro3005> I compile C code through CLI too
[01:32] <ddecator> gedit has plugins? o.o
[01:32] <lobinho> yup
[01:32] <ddecator> i feel like i've been living in the dark..
[01:33] <ddecator> whoa, built-in python console, win
[01:35] <pedro3005> yeah, but I can't get it to work :X
[01:36] <pedro3005> oh, found it
[01:36] <pedro3005> View > Bottom Pane
[01:36] <ddecator> yup
[01:36] <pedro3005> certainly helpful
[01:38] <lobinho> hey, anyone knows how to use "su user" or "su - user" within a script? I mean, when the console asks for the password, how do I make the script enter it? I'm assuming I know the password for "user" and don't mind writing it
[02:11] <Vantrax> lobinho, you generally make it so your script runs as root
[02:11] <Vantrax> cron, cronweekly/daily/monthly or even run by rc.local
[02:11] <lobinho> but the user who'll execute it shouldn't be a sudoer
[02:11] <Vantrax> then you add the script to the sudoers file
[02:12] <Vantrax> then they dont need to be sudo
[02:12] <lobinho> oh, didn't know about that
[02:12] <lobinho> cool!
[02:12] <Vantrax> np
[02:12] <lobinho> and then, the script which runs as root can execute commands through any user account, is that right?
[02:13] <Vantrax> you go sudo visudo
[02:14] <Vantrax> then add what scripts you want to be run without root
[02:14] <lobinho> googling it right now
[02:14] <Vantrax> for example this is a line i use in one of my labs ALL ALL=/sbin/lsmod,/sbin/insmod,/sbin/rmmod,/bin/setserial,/bin/mknod
[02:14] <Vantrax> so the user can run lsmod insmod, rmmod, setserial, and mknod as user when they require sudo normally
[02:16] <lobinho> but does that solve the problem of running a non-root command as another user? like user A logging temporarily as user B only for one command in B's account...?
[02:16] <Vantrax> why do you want to do it?
[02:17] <Vantrax> (and in answer to your question no... but there is probably another way
[02:17] <lobinho> so that other people at home can resume my torrents while I'm out :D
[02:17] <phillw> lobinho: you would use the group part of unix privalideges for that, not try to over-ride owner privalidges ?
[02:17] <Vantrax> yep phillw
[02:18] <Vantrax> if you give group rights to it, and put the users in the group they can do it without being you
[02:18] <Vantrax> depending how you are trying to do it
[02:18] <lobinho> but I think the privilege issue is not with the script itself, I believe it's in the command instead
[02:18] <Vantrax> where is the program installed?
[02:19] <Vantrax> is it in your userspace or in /bin
[02:19] <Vantrax> or /sbin
[02:19] <Vantrax> or /opt/bin
[02:19] <lobinho> probably /bin
[02:19] <phillw> make a new group, and simply add the users you want to it.
[02:19] <Vantrax>  or...
[02:19] <Vantrax> so your using something like transmission
[02:19] <lobinho> yup
[02:19] <Vantrax> and want to be able to have another user use the command line to resume it under your account
[02:20] <lobinho> with "$ transmission-remote -s" I can resume torrents through cli
[02:20] <lobinho> yeah!
[02:20] <Vantrax> but that command has to be run as user
[02:20] <lobinho> I read somewhere that "su user" makes us log in as user instead of root
[02:21] <lobinho> and the console asks for user's password, as well
[02:21] <Vantrax> now with a script run as root you can do a su user (because your root) and you dont need the user password
[02:21] <lobinho> only I can't figure how to make the script enter the password
[02:21] <Vantrax> so your script should be something like su user && transmission-remote -s
[02:21] <lobinho> oh! I didn't know that
[02:21] <Vantrax> and add the script to sudoers
[02:22]  * Vantrax is going to double check that.. hasnt done that particular trick in a bit
[02:22] <lobinho> someone logged as root doesn't need anyone's password to execute a command as another user?
[02:22] <Vantrax> no, someone logged in as root can assume a user
[02:23] <Vantrax> just booting up a machine to test that on
[02:24] <lobinho> and why "&&"? I thought of adding the transmission code in the next line
[02:25] <Vantrax> habit
[02:25] <Vantrax> just means and execute this one too
[02:27] <Vantrax> just verified that that does work
[02:27] <Vantrax> long as you are root you can su to any user without a password
[02:28] <lobinho> when I tried "su user", either from terminal or from a script, I got an error
[02:28] <lobinho> don't remember what it was like, but it was something related to graphics
[02:30] <lobinho> oh no, not graphics, but SCIM
[02:30] <lobinho> should I paste the output here? it's 10 lines
[02:34] <Vantrax> use paste.ubuntu.com
[02:34] <Vantrax> then give the link
[02:35] <lobinho> that part was actually just a warning
[02:37] <lobinho> I think I did it!
[02:37] <lobinho> first I'm opening gedit with another account whose password I know, so that I'll go there and see if it worked
[02:37] <lobinho> should it still be there when I log in for real?
[02:37] <lobinho> gonna check that now, brb
[02:38] <lobinho> it wasn't there
[02:39] <Vantrax> i would try creating a file as the client
[02:39] <Vantrax> or making a directory
[02:39] <Vantrax> that will show up properly
[02:39] <Vantrax> s/client/user
[02:40] <Vantrax> opening graphical programs from a command line as a user is much more tricky
[02:40] <lobinho> or maybe this script could execute another script, which would then call Transmission
[02:40] <lobinho> the second script would be run as the user, so no problem here
[02:41] <lobinho> what do you think?
[02:44] <lobinho> Vantrax, thank you very much for the help
[02:44] <lobinho> I appreciate it greatly! I believe this is gonna work *-*
[02:46] <Vantrax> sorry, was afk a sec
[02:46] <Vantrax> that would also work too
[02:46] <Vantrax> but so would just doing su user && ...
[02:48] <lobinho> wow, I wrote "su user && gedit" and gedit opened up on my own screen, and the terminal where I typed "sudo ./script.sh" became<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:49] <lobinho> I'll try just clicking on it
[03:15] <Vantrax> su user only allows you to run a command with that users rights
[03:15] <Vantrax> so if your running a graphical program it will run in your session with that users rights
[03:16] <lobinho> then I'll have to keep on searching
[03:18] <lobinho> there must be a way to start a session and run a program... maybe some hard low level coding? D:
[03:18] <wahben> Vantrax, you mean like "su USERNAME -c COMMAND" ??
[03:20] <Vantrax> yep
[03:21] <Vantrax> thats the one i was thinking about
[03:21] <Vantrax> lobinho, use su -c user transmission-remote -s
[03:22] <lobinho> yeah, tried su user -c gedit right now
[03:22] <lobinho> gotta log int as user to see if it's there
[03:22] <lobinho> I'm afraid Pidgin/IRC will drop in the meantime, so brb
[03:22] <Vantrax> it will
[03:23] <lobinho> hmm, nope, gedit was not open in the other session
[03:23] <lobinho> neither did Pidgin drop
[03:23] <lobinho> =)
[03:23] <Vantrax> i dont think that it works with graphical commands
[03:24] <lobinho> hey, in the manpage I found an option -l or --login
[03:24] <lobinho> Make the shell a login shell.  This means the following.  Unset all environment variables except TERM, HOME, and SHELL (which are set as described above), and USER and LOGNAME (which are set, even for the super-user, as described above), and set PATH to a compiled-in default value.  Change to user's home directory.  Prepend ‘-’ to the shell's name, intended to make it read its login startup file(s).
[03:25] <lobinho> Failed to launch SCIM.
[03:25] <lobinho> (gedit:18571): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[03:48] <Vantrax> thats a display issue tho lobinho
[03:49] <Vantrax> that actually told you it workd
[03:49] <Vantrax> how are you going to launch an application when it doesnt have a display to put it on
[03:49] <Vantrax> another session (ie yours) has it
[03:50] <lobinho> when I launch it through mouse click, it doesn't display anything, since there's no terminal screen...
[03:51] <lobinho> so why does the program not open, when we do have a terminal output telling us it works?
[03:52] <Vantrax> maybe get your script to have an exit message so you can verify that it completed
[03:52] <Vantrax> it can cat to a file to give success comments
[03:53] <lobinho> like this...?
[03:53] <lobinho> su user -c gedit | cat output
[03:54] <Vantrax> well that depends
[03:55] <Vantrax> su user -cl gedit | cat /tmp/output should work
[03:55] <lobinho> -cl is like -c AND -l at the same time?
[03:55] <Vantrax> i would recommend not using gedit
[03:56] <Vantrax> yes
[03:56] <lobinho> oh, why not gedit?
[03:56] <Vantrax> i would not use a graphical program
[03:56] <Vantrax> because your session has the display
[03:56] <lobinho> but that's the point
[03:56] <Vantrax> so you cant open an application on a display
[03:56] <lobinho> Transmission is a graphical program
[03:56] <Vantrax> transmission is both
[03:56] <lobinho> hmm
[03:57] <Vantrax> also, transmission will already be running
[03:57] <Vantrax> so your not trying to create a new instance, just send a command to a program already in memory
[03:58] <lobinho> that depends on the situation
[03:58] <lobinho> most of the times, my account won't even be logged
[03:59] <lobinho> I mean, everytime I leave with my session blocked and Transmission running, my mother eventually reboots so that she can surf the web
[03:59] <lobinho> then, if she is to run a script that will resume my downloads after she's done, Transmission won't be already running in the first place
[04:05] <duckie> anyone know how to get a wireless network set up with ubuntu...im new...
[04:06] <lobinho> if you have the hardware plugged, it's all automatic :)
[04:06] <lobinho> at least it should be o.o
[04:06] <duckie> my wireless is built in to my laptop
[04:06] <duckie> and since i have ubuntu, just got it two days ago, im used to windows, it hasnt been working
[04:06] <duckie> and i have no idea how to make anything work
[04:07] <duckie> i just need to set up the router in my house
[04:07] <duckie> and somehow get it all working
[04:08] <lobinho> the one that came with my laptop just worked as soon as the system loaded everything
[04:08] <duckie> hmm
[04:08] <duckie> i dont have the software for my wireless router
[04:09] <duckie> ive had it for a long time and i dont know where it is
[04:09] <lobinho> but you shouldn't need any software for this
[04:09] <duckie> and it wouldnt work with ununtu anyhow
[04:09] <duckie> its a microsoft wireless g router, and i have a laptop, and ubuntu 9.10
[04:10] <duckie> anyhow, its alright, ive been trying to do this for two days now,  maybe you know where i can find help thru a website or something
[04:11] <duckie> im really not used to ubuntu yet and i have a lot of trouble trying to find things
[04:12] <lobinho> which is somewhat strange, since it always provided me with everything I needed - apart from specific applications, of course
[04:13] <duckie> hm
[04:13] <duckie> oh well
[04:13] <duckie> ill just keep trying
[04:13] <duckie> thank you for your time
[04:13] <lobinho> you sure the router works in other OS's?
[04:13] <duckie> it worked fine in windows
[04:14] <duckie> but my wireless card in my laptop doesnt connect anywhere now
[04:14] <duckie> since i got ubuntu
[04:14] <duckie> i cant connect to wireless anywhere
[04:14] <duckie> and i dont know what to do to fix it
[04:15] <duckie> and i dont know how to get my computer to recognize the wireless router
[04:15] <duckie> like in normal windows how you would run a set up or something
[04:16] <lobinho> there should be a connection icon in a panel, usually on the top-right corner
[04:16] <duckie> mhm
[04:16] <duckie> but it doesnt see any wireless connections
[04:17] <lobinho> try clicking on "edit connections" (right-click menu)
[04:18] <duckie> it only has the auto etho thing
[04:18] <duckie> which is all these wires on my floor
[04:18] <duckie> im guessing
[04:18] <lobinho> yes, auto ethN are wired connections
[04:19] <lobinho> but the wireless signal should be listet as well
[04:19] <duckie> so how do i get it to see the wireless
[04:19] <lobinho> listed
[04:20] <lobinho> hmm... by clicking on "edit connections", maybe you can create a wireless network
[04:20] <lobinho> I'm not sure if that would do
[04:21] <duckie> ive tried that
[04:21] <duckie> ive been clicking around for a bit, let me see if i can make it work now
[04:21] <duckie> i may be back
[04:21] <duckie> thank you for your help
[04:39] <Vantrax> boo, i was awa
[04:39] <Vantrax> when ducky comes back get him to find out what adapter he has in his laptop
[04:40] <Vantrax> he can use lspci ( lists pci device) and lsusb ( lists usb device)
[04:40] <Vantrax> that will give him his model
[04:40] <Vantrax> also have him check for restricted drivers
[05:35] <ddecator> i'm surprised how quiet it is in here..
[06:15] <shahan> dowonload finished
[06:15] <shahan> now need the checksum of 10.04
[06:15] <shahan> not getting
[06:15] <shahan> starcraftman: ...
[06:15] <shahan> phillw: ...
[06:16] <shahan> I need emergency help
[06:16] <shahan> need check sum of ubuntu 10.04
[06:17] <shahan> any one can help me?
[06:17] <ddecator> the hash for md5sum?
[06:17] <shahan> ddecator: yes
[06:17] <shahan> ddecator: of ubuntu 10.04
[06:18] <shahan> ddecator: can u help me?
[06:18] <ddecator> shahan: i'm finding it =)
[06:18] <shahan> ddecator: to get the hash of ubuntu 10.04... I am not getting it
[06:18] <shahan> ddecator: ok
[06:19] <shahan> ddecator: please
[06:20] <ddecator> shahan: http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/MD5SUMS
[06:20] <shahan> ddecator: tnx very much :-)
[06:20] <ddecator> shahan: np =)
[07:10] <shahan> I am back
[07:10] <shahan> with ubuntu 10.04
[07:11] <ddecator> very nice =)
[07:11] <ddecator> welcome to the future
[07:11] <shahan> ddecator: I am looking for ubuntu-restricted-extras offline installer
[07:12] <shahan> ddecator: do u have any know source?
[07:12] <shahan> ddecator: known?
[07:12] <ddecator> why would you need offline?
[07:12] <shahan> thats great
[07:13] <shahan> ddecator: I need as someone has no internet
[07:13] <shahan> ddecator: its could be helpful
[07:13] <shahan> ddecator: is there any problem?
[07:14] <ddecator> well, it's not included on the system, so the only offline solution i can think of is downloading the .deb, putting it on a flash drive, then installing it on the other system..
[07:15] <shahan> ddecator: do u know any source for downloading the .deb file of ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[07:16] <ddecator> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:16] <ddecator> check the package details, find the one you need
[07:16] <ddecator> that is, click the arrows next to whichever verion they have
[07:21] <Akos> good morning team
[07:22] <Akos> one more mirror for the downloaders if anyone wants to post links http://ubuntu.akos.me
[07:22] <ddecator> morning/evening Akos
[08:46] <ravibn> Hello! I need help with my booting problem
[08:46] <Akos> hi ravibn, what seems to be the problem ,the wider you explain, the more can someone help you (:
[08:47] <ravibn> Hi, I ran an update few minutes back and it asked me to restart. After the restart in the boot menu I select generic kernel 2.6.31-21-genric to boot. I got an error msg "1.185157 Kernal Panic - not syncing VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (8,17)" However I rebooted again with older version generic kernal 2.6.31-20 it works fine. How to fix this problem ?
[08:50] <ddecator> i swear i just saw someone ask about that..
[08:51] <ddecator> ah, you asked about it in -launchpad =)
[08:51] <ddecator> ok, so i'm not crazy
[08:52] <kermiac> ddecator: from reading the backsroll I believe that was ravibn earlier
[08:52] <ravibn> yes! I had asked this earlier but got no response from anyone
[08:52] <ddecator> sorry, i saw it, but i'm not familiar with the kernel =\
[08:53] <kermiac> ravibn: are you running ubuntu inside wubi?
[08:53] <ravibn> thats right under win xp prof
[08:53] <kermiac> ah... one sec, I was reading something about that a few days ago
[08:54] <ravibn> but this update happened only today
[08:55] <kermiac> ravibn: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8639088&postcount=79
[08:55] <kermiac> yes, the same thing happened to a few people using wubi the last time there was a kernel update
[09:00] <ravibn> basically I need to uninstall wubi by unistall-wubi.exe and then install this wubi from the url
[09:01] <kermiac> ravibn: I don't think you need to uninstall wubi, just overwrite it with the new wubi from that url
[09:02] <ravibn> gottcha you ! let me do that and I will get back on this channel
[09:07] <ddecator> i don't miss the wubi days..
[09:10] <kermiac> ddecator: yeah, I'm not a big fan personally - but it is useful to help people transition to lubuntu :)
[09:10] <ravibn> kermiac : I did replace the wubi from that url but the problem was not solved
[09:11] <ddecator> kermiac: did the trick for me, haha. then windows decided it wanted to move all of the files necessary to boot for no apparent reason. decided to dual-boot after that
[09:14] <kermiac> ravibn: please try this updated version http://people.canonical.com/~evand/wubi/lucid/wubi-r189.exe
[09:14] <kermiac> you will need to rename it to wubi.exe
[09:15] <ravibn> Ok! I will give it a try
[09:25] <_Commander_> anyone here
[09:25] <_Commander_> ?
[09:26] <ddecator> _Commander_: what's up?
[09:26] <_Commander_> need help
[09:26] <_Commander_> after some updates my computer wont boot
[09:27] <ddecator> hm, quite a few people seem to be having that, i saw a lot of threads on the forums about it
[09:27] <_Commander_> was running lucid beta2 and updated some pakages today about 120mb
[09:27] <ddecator> _Commander_: can you be more specific about what happens?
[09:28]  * kermiac goes to eat dinner. If ravibn is still having issues with wubi can someone pls direct him to the "if you have issues follow this procedure" part of http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9030372&postcount=1
[09:28] <_Commander_> freezing during boot
[09:28] <_Commander_> stuck at loading initial ramdisk
[09:29] <ddecator> any error messages?
[09:29] <_Commander_> nothung
[09:29] <_Commander_> nothing...
[09:30] <ravibn> kermiac : Hi! the problem got solved. This got solved with the earlier version of wubi
[09:31] <ddecator> _Commander_: hmm..unfortunately i'm not very good with boot issues =\
[09:31] <ddecator> especially when it's 3:30am, haha
[09:31] <_Commander_> hm.... stuck with my phone on xhat....
[09:31] <ravibn> kermiac : you r online still  ?
[09:32] <ddecator> ravibn: good to hear =) kermiac might be busy at work atm
[09:32] <ddecator> _Commander_: ok, let me take a look to see if i can find anything on the forums
[09:32] <ravibn> anyway thanks
[09:33] <ddecator> np, it's what we're here for =)
[09:33] <ddecator> _Commander_: can i ask how you know where it's getting stuck?
[09:34] <_Commander_> while loading initial ramdisk.
[09:37] <ddecator> _Commander_: on the forums it sounds like people had luck booting with a live cd then reinstalling grub
[09:38] <ddecator> we had some issues earlier with grub...if you got the iso after they fixed it, you shouldn't have run into issues, but it might not be the same problem
[09:38] <_Commander_> hm odd
[09:39] <ddecator> er, wait
[09:39] <ddecator> sorry, there is several people talking about different issues in this thread..
[09:40] <ddecator> _Commander_: is ubuntu the only OS on your computer?
[09:40] <_Commander_> windows 7 as second
[09:40] <ddecator> can you boot into windows still?
[09:41] <_Commander_> not tried. doing a live cd into lynx
[09:41] <geirha> Does the previous kernel boot?
[09:41] <_Commander_> nopp
[09:43] <ddecator> i know some people were unable to boot into any OS, and that was due to GRUB or, in some cases, the MBR
[09:47] <ddecator> ok, i can't stay up any longer, i need sleep...
[09:47] <_Commander_> night night :)
[09:47] <ddecator> good luck _Commander_ i'm sure others can help you if you run into any issues
[10:13] <shahan> starcraftman: r u here?
[10:13] <shahan> starcraftman: you online?
[10:16] <shahan> is there any site which provide the Linux alternative  of Windows software?
[10:17] <shahan> is there any site which provide the Linux alternative  of Windows software?
[10:17] <shahan> is there any site which provide the Linux alternative  of Windows software?
[10:18] <shahan> is there any site which provide the Linux alternative  of Windows software?
[10:20] <geirha> shahan: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/switching/index.html
[10:20] <geirha> «Ubuntu equivalents to Windows programs»
[10:20] <geirha> There's also linuxalt.com
[10:22] <shahan> geirha: tnx
[10:22] <shahan> tnx very much
[13:25] <duanedesign> /26/30
[14:18] <javatexan> hey guys I had the Update manager update my kernel yesterday and it appears that now my touchpad scrolling is now not working.....odd eh?
[14:21] <javatexan> woohoo, its back this morning!!!!
[14:21] <geirha> Does it work if you boot the previous kernel?
[14:21] <geirha> Oh, fixed by magic? :)
[14:23] <javatexan> I have no idea, I tried it this morning and voila.....Maybe the laptop was tired and the long sleep last night fixed it.  LOL!!!
[14:24] <starcraftman> javatexan: you have failed to factor in the magic linux gods, they work in mysterious ways.
[14:24] <javatexan> I am not complaining....perplexed, but not complaining
[14:24] <javatexan> LOL
[14:30] <switchgirl> hi
[14:32] <ikt> heya
[14:35] <switchgirl> ikt, have you come across the issue of ubuntu failing - ie gwibber isn't working for me nore firefox
[14:36] <geirha> First thing I'd check is space usage. df -h
[14:37] <ikt> firefox isn't working?
[14:37] <geirha> If / or /home is full, that would likely be the problem.
[14:38] <switchgirl> not full
[14:39] <switchgirl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/425261/
[14:40] <geirha> So that can be safely ruled out :)
[14:40] <geirha> do you get any error messages?
[14:42] <switchgirl> no
[14:42] <switchgirl> i just can't post or update
[14:43] <geirha> Maybe firefox has been updated and you haven't restarted it?
[14:43] <ikt> that's odd
[14:44] <ikt> I always have /home separate so I can do a quick reinstall if need be
[14:44] <switchgirl> nope i rebooted several times#
[14:45] <geirha> Have you looked in ~/.xsession-errors for errors relating to firefox or gwibber?
[15:02] <LzrdKing> hi switchgirl
[15:02] <pizza_the_hut> good morning. did anyone upgrade to lynx?
[15:02] <LzrdKing> is this in lucid?
[15:09] <nigelbabu> switchgirl: keyboard refuses to post anything?
[15:09] <nigelbabu> and only thing that works is alt ctrl del and you have to hit restart?
[15:09] <switchgirl> no it can type
[15:09] <switchgirl> it wont post it
[15:13] <LzrdKing> so enter is busted?
[15:17] <switchgirl> LzrdKing, it isn't it just adds a line
[15:18] <LzrdKing> how about at the command line?
[15:19] <LzrdKing> maybe you need to change the batteries in your wireless keyboard
[15:20] <geirha> I had a partially broken keyboard a while back. After hitting ctrl+something, the keyrelease event wouldn't always trigger for the ctrl key, so when hitting Enter, it would actually be treated as Ctrl+Enter
[15:21] <geirha> tapping the ctrl key usually "shook it loose"
[15:33] <julian> Hi I just installed v10.4lts with wine and timidity, and although it worked at first now I have no sound and the hardware isn´t listed in audio configuration
[15:34] <digitalstimulus> hello all, would this be a good place to direct someone who has no experience with ubuntu or IRC even?  I have installed ubuntu on someone's machine and I plan on getting them started, but I won't always be there
[15:35] <julian> Hi I just installed v10.4lts with wine and timidity, and although it worked at first now I have no sound and the hardware isn´t listed in audio configuration
[15:35] <digitalstimulus> julian, is your sound muted?
[15:35] <starcraftman> digitalstimulus: I guess, forums work also, both would be best, isn't always someone on IRC.
[15:36] <julian> nope it´s not muted :)
[15:36] <starcraftman> julian: uh, sound problems on linux cause headaches. Your sure initially after install sound was working?
[15:36] <starcraftman> this gnome or kde?
[15:36] <julian> absolutely yea it was all working fine...
[15:37] <julian> it´s gnome yea
[15:38] <starcraftman> julian: hmmm, can you push alt+F2 and then type in: gstreamer-properties
[15:39] <julian> uhuh done
[15:39] <starcraftman> that should open a new window, cycle through the audio playback options and test them please. See if anything works.
[15:39] <julian> i´ve done this already and it cycles through fine but there is no audio at all....
[15:39] <starcraftman> julian: hmmm
[15:39] <julian> I think I really screwed it up by installing timidity
[15:40] <digitalstimulus> julian, are your speakers plugged in?  or have you plugged in anything else like headphones or a USB sound device?
[15:40] <julian> they´re integrated and i´ve booted windows vista on the other partition and the audio still works...
[15:40] <julian> and no there´s nothing plugged in
[15:40] <digitalstimulus> what is timidity?
[15:41] <julian> it´s a sort of midi driver
[15:41] <starcraftman> julian: that could be, I'm not aware of any glaring problems atm though. That said I don't use timidity often.
[15:41] <julian> yea..
[15:41] <julian> maybe I should just uninstall timidity
[15:41] <starcraftman> julian: that might be a solution at least temporarily.
[15:41] <julian> :)
[15:42] <julian> thanks for your help
[15:42] <starcraftman> np, didn't really do much. If not come back and we'll see about checking hardware more.
[15:42] <julian> thanks :)
[15:45] <julian> hey starcraftman, it still doesn't work :(
[15:52] <LzrdKing> what would make my wireless card not associate with my router when i do iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid>?  i know its not really associated because the dhclient command that follows will eventually time out sometimes; other times it connects right away
[17:25] <Phrea> ok, I'll be shamelessly dumb here for a sec.
[17:26] <Phrea> the hash that's in Transmission [when viewing properties of a download], that's actually the hash of the .torrent files, isnt it...
[17:32] <LzrdKing> i think its the hash of the files in the torrent
[17:33] <LzrdKing> thats what would make sense
[17:35] <Phrea> indeed
[17:36] <Phrea> I've been using torrent since it's infancy, and I still dont know this basic stuff
[18:55] <toni_bg> hi, can anyone tell me how to put stuffs on window picker applet on unr 10.4 before there was white dot from were I can access this menu, but now it missing?
[21:22] <Zargold> Why didn't ubuntu change the look of their site with the new release?
[21:31] <LzrdKing> too much work
[22:14] <armakolas> lubuntu login username and password please
[22:16] <phillw> armakolas: check the cd, it seems you may have a bad image, use the check disk option when you boot the cd.
[22:17] <armakolas> i am using sun virualbox and i logged out. i want to log in again.
[22:17] <phillw> there are no passwords set.
[22:18] <armakolas> thank you very much for your fast reply
[22:18] <phillw> when you installed it, it would have asked you to create a login name & password
[22:19] <phillw> armakolas: you're lucky I was passing ;-)  lubuntu is over at #lubuntu
[22:19] <geirha> I'm guessing we're talking about the live session
[22:19] <armakolas> live session, yes
[22:20] <geirha> In the ubuntu live session, there's no password either afaik, but it logs you in again after 30 seconds if you don't type anything
[22:21] <phillw> armakolas: the lubuntu cd is built around the ubuntu one, so things like that should be the same on both, I've never had it ask me for a login.
[22:54] <afeick> Hi, my session indicator used to show a box to put in my chat status, but it suddenly stopped doing it. Any ideas why?
[23:08] <Guest20927> Hello, may I get some help?
[23:09] <bodhi_zazen> just ask Guest20927
[23:10] <Bodsda> bodhi_zazen: do you have gtkpod installed?
[23:12] <Guest20927> KMS doesn't play nice with my Intel integrated graphics (i915 chipset). I tried installing 10.04 through a flash drive using Unetbootin. I edited the generated syslinux.cfg file so that mode setting is disabled and that the Vesa driver would be forced. It didn't work. Any suggestions?
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> no Bodsda
[23:19] <Bodsda> bodhi_zazen: any ideas how I would find out where the executable for that package would be placed?
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> you can find package information in synaptic
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> which gkdpod
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> Guest20927: not a clue
[23:20] <BGL-[t]> guest: i'm not sure if this is related or not: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/554904


[04:10] <nemov> hello
[04:11] <nemov> has anyone here installed ubuntu server then out of ignorance did an apt get install xubuntu-desktop?
[04:12] <mybalzitch> ignorance or lazyness
[04:12] <nemov> I was thinking I could pull it up from term when needed for my daughter. :/ I was wrong
[04:13] <nemov> What I was wondering is .. IF i did an apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop would I get the "regular" server back?
[04:14] <nemov> I'd hate to loose everything I've done (albeit a learning experience)
[04:15] <mybalzitch> there isn't a huge difference
[04:15] <mybalzitch> it's just some extra packages
[04:16] <mybalzitch> but see what xubuntu-desktop removes, it and a autoremove should get rid of all un-needed packages
[04:18] <nemov> okay, great ! thank you for the information. I didn't think of autoremove :)
[04:20] <nemov> I'm going  to give it a shot right now. If you don't see me in a short bit something went wrong  and I'll be starting over
[07:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:24] <JaguarDown> Hi all newbie here. Is there a simple solution for getting around a server set up with encrypted LVM. I.e. unlocking it remotely after reboot?
[13:32] <lordievader> JaguarDown: Remote unlocking of luks, now there is something: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Specialties#Remote_unlocking_of_the_root_.28or_other.29_partition
[13:32] <lordievader> Probably not worth the trouble.
[13:38] <JaguarDown> Ah. Thanks.
[13:39] <TJ-> I should probably get a round to writing a paper on my own 2-factor and remote unlock solutions for LUKS
[14:05] <patdk-lap> I just use simple https request to unlock
[17:00] <cluelessperson> hey guys, do you know how to repartition the file system to take up the entire hard drive allotted to it?
[17:01] <bekks> That question doesnt make much sense. you repartition a partitioning scheme, not particular filesystems.
[17:02] <bekks> Using a lived and gparted is sufficient, after ensuring that you have a valid backup of your data.
[17:02] <cluelessperson> bekks, Just need to extend the filesystem to use all the available space.
[17:02] <bekks> cluelessperson: livecd, gparted.
[17:06] <cluelessperson> alright, thanks
[17:58] <lordievader> If the partition is already using all the free space: resize2fs.
[17:58] <lordievader> Assuming its an ext filesystem.
[18:27] <Mind_> hello, can someone please check if uvt-simplestreams-libvirt is broken?
[18:27] <Mind_>  uvt-simplestreams-libvirt sync release=trusty arch=amd64
[18:28] <Mind_> normaly i should get the cloud images with this command, but it seams to be broken
[19:09] <Mind_> Hello, i have checkt uvt-simplestreams-libvirt on two different servers on two different networks and it seems to be broken. Can someon check it before i write a bug report? I am on trusty LTS with all patches. and "uvt-simplestreams-libvirt sync release=trusty arch=amd64" does not work anymore. It seems like it is not downloading the images. Qemu-img tries to open the image in /temp but did not find them. Here is the output from
[19:09] <Mind_> http://pastebin.com/xU3bUr3f
[19:20] <TJ-> Mind_: server is misconfigured
[19:21] <TJ-> Mind_: or the code is... it tries to connect to  http://cloud-images-ubuntu-com.sawo.canonical.com  rather than http://cloud-images-ubuntu-com
[19:29] <TJ-> :q
[19:40] <Mind_> TJ-:  Did you mean my server or the server from ubuntu?
[19:42] <TJ-> Mind_: Ubuntu servers - it affects me too. It looks as if the code reads a list of mirror servers... and then tries to use (the closest?) mirror ... and that mirror is badly configured and no longer mirrors the master site. Not sure if there is a way to override it to not use mirrors. Couldn't see anything obvious in the PYthon code
[19:43] <Mind_> TJ-: it loads this json file with mirrors : https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/streams/v1/index.sjson
[19:45] <TJ-> Mind_: I guess one of those is a CNAME for the sawo.canonical.com name
[19:52] <Mind_> TJ-: I don't think there is more than this problem. I looked with wireshark and all dns request that are sended on my side are to get the ip of cloud-images.ubuntu.com.
[19:53] <TJ-> Mind_: I was seeing  cloud-images-ubuntu-com.sawo.canonical.com
[19:55] <Mind_> TJ-: Where is the right place to write a bug report? I don't think that this is a problem of uvt-simplestreams-libvirt. But who should i contact?
[19:57] <TJ-> I'm not sure... I think possibly the Canonical sysadmins, maybe try in #canonical-sysadmin


[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[07:44] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:44] <dpm> morning dholbach
[07:45] <dpm> good morning all
[08:27] <Kilos> hi dholbach dpm and all others
[08:27] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[08:35] <dpm> hi Kilos
[08:40] <dpm> dholbach, I wanted to try the notes app on the unity8 session, but it fails to build its .deb package due to autopilot tests failing on build. While we figure out what's wrong with the tests, do you know if there is a way to disable running the tests during the .deb build? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~notes-app-dev/reminders-app/trunk/files/head:/debian/
[08:41] <dholbach> in debian/rules you could add a target   override_dh_auto_test
[08:41] <dholbach> which just does nothing
[08:41] <dholbach> I think that should be the easiest way (if they're run as part of 'make test' or 'make check')
[08:43] <dpm> ok, I'll give it a go, thanks!
[08:45] <dholbach> let me know how it goes
[08:52] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:57] <dpm> that worked, thanks dholbach
[08:57] <dholbach> awesome
[09:08] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[10:49] <willcooke> hi gang
[10:49] <willcooke> I saw some talk the other day about moving the wiki to a new platform.  So, I thought I'd just raise this here....
[10:49] <willcooke> the search is utterly useless on the current wiki
[10:50] <willcooke> Could we consider replacing it with a Google search box pre-populated (or whatever) with site:wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:52] <popey> what's wrong with the search?
[10:52] <popey> (it's slow, for one)
[10:53] <willcooke> it returns results which are, imo, junk
[10:54] <willcooke> e.g.
[10:54] <popey> tsimonq2: i see you editing the wiki freenode->Freenode. It's intentionally "freenode" - that's their branding.
[10:54] <willcooke> The default search action searches page titles
[10:55] <popey> yes, because it's faster.
[10:55] <popey> part of the whole "moin sucks, we should move" I agree :)
[10:56] <willcooke> lack of sorting is also an issue for me
[10:56] <willcooke> anyhoo,
[10:56] <willcooke> just sticking my oar in
[10:56] <willcooke> carry on
[10:59] <popey>  😃
[11:51] <tsimonq2> popey: really? wxl didn't seem to correct me... do you need it reverted? (I'm sorry)
[11:53]  * tsimonq2 is a bit confused but it makes sense :)
[11:54] <popey> i already did
[11:55] <tsimonq2> okay, thank you, sorry about that :)
[11:55] <popey> tsimonq2: https://freenode.net/ see the top of that page. They've always been "freenode"
[11:55] <popey> No worries, thanks for taking the attention!  😃
[11:55] <tsimonq2> :)
[11:56] <tsimonq2> popey: hey, I've read that page about 100 times and that was bugging me XD
[11:56] <tsimonq2> (not joking about the 100 times though :P)
[11:57] <tsimonq2> but I get why it's not Freenode now :)
[11:58] <popey> haha
[11:59] <tsimonq2> popey: ooh, just had an idea, I'll link to freenode's website on the wiki page from the word "freenode," so people who don't use IRC at least get a description of it. :)
[12:00] <popey> sadly their website doesn't have a lot of content, they're rewriting it
[12:01] <popey> maybe hang fire till it actually has something useful
[12:02] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[12:05] <tsimonq2> o/ off to get ready for school, got a bit of homework to finish up ;)
[12:27] <dpm> popey, davidcalle, mhall119, when you've got a minute, could you add the times you're available for the docs team meeting to doodle? http://doodle.com/poll/dqsryhnkfwgantb2
[12:27] <dpm> (thanks!)
[12:30] <popey> ya
[12:31] <popey> done
[12:33] <knome> hey dpm
[12:33] <dpm> hey knome o/
[12:34] <knome> i have a few questions about the agenda which i didn't want to just add to the pad
[12:34] <dpm> sure
[12:34] <knome> so i guess it's fair to talk about the tasks for 16.04, even though it's a bit late at this point (doc string freeze gone and all)
[12:34] <knome> but i wouldn't say the 16.10 roadmap is very important
[12:35] <knome> or in other words, i don't know what you are trying to achieve by talking about it
[12:35] <knome> especially since the documentation roadmaps usually come directly based on what development/changes are made in the OS
[12:36] <knome> sure, there are some always ongoing projects/tasks, but they haven't got anything to do with any specific release
[12:36] <knome> if you want to try to tackle actual issues, then i would rather bring up the future of the community help wiki
[12:37] <knome> for the third item, i was thinking that maybe it would make sense to try to gather some kind of table before the meeting, assuming your idea is to see who's doing what currently
[12:37] <knome> but sadly enough, that list is pretty small, and roles aren't very clear
[12:38] <knome> the three different subteams are working pretty much separately (partly because the documentation they are working on are very different things)
[12:40] <knome> dpm, ^ i'm sure you read it, but if not, ping
[12:40] <dpm> this could have been easily called "16.04+ roadmap", as in to discuss the roadmap for the docs team moving forward, I agree that it shouldn't be tied to a particular release, but as we generally work in cycles, I thought it might be a good idea to define the scope. My suggestion was not to talk about the technical tasks, but rather to find a common set of goals for the next cycle, which we could put together in a roadmap. I think creating a pla
[12:40] <dpm> n together is something that would help defining the direction of the team. As per the wiki topic, this was simply a proposal for a collaborative agenda, so feel free to add it, I agree that it's important
[12:40] <dpm> I was reading... and typing :)
[12:41] <dpm> as per the third point, I agree, it could be pre-filled before the meeting to have the context beforehand
[12:41] <knome> though as i said, and as we said in the mail, the list is very short
[12:41] <dpm> right
[12:42] <knome> i don't have exact numbers or knowledge of the other teams, but i would think the active contributor count is somewhere between 5 to 10 at most
[12:43] <knome> including active community help wiki admins, which means we will react to things that happen there and try to make sure it works for all, but aren't actually working on creating new content
[12:43] <dpm> right
[12:44] <dpm> actually 5-10 people is a not a small number
[12:44] <dpm> dholbach, just to make sure I get the timezones right and I add it to the calendar - the CC catch up is at 16:30 our time, right?
[12:44] <knome> well, that's just an estimation
[12:44] <knome> the number could be 3
[12:44] <knome> but i would argue it *is* a small number
[12:44] <knome> those people are responsible for the documentation of the whole ubuntu
[12:45] <dpm> that reminds me... I wanted to add the roles of the docs team expliticly to the agenda
[12:46] <knome> i mean put it perspective;
[12:46] <knome> how much money is canonical using to make ubuntu what it is, with convergence and all
[12:46] <knome> and how many people are documenting how the core system works
[12:46] <knome> especially considering they aren't canonical employees or people who are actually working on the product
[12:48] <dpm> I wouln't argue it's a question of how much money is spent. As I understood it from the e-mail, the main issue is coordination and leadership
[12:49] <knome> i'm not saying it's a question of money either
[12:49] <knome> but i would see some canonical involvement is required
[12:49] <knome> without that, the team has no clear direction, at least with the current contributor base
[12:50] <dpm> right, but that's exactly what we want to discuss in that meeting, isn't it?
[12:50] <popey> dpm: 18:30 your time. 17:30 UTC
[12:50] <knome> sure.
[12:50] <popey> dpm: typically be there from 17:00 UTC as the first half may go quickly so they may move on to us before the half hour
[12:50] <dpm> popey, ah, thanks
[12:50] <popey> np
[12:51] <dpm> I might have a call at 18:00, though
[12:51] <popey> ah
[12:51] <popey> well, we'll all be there anyway
[12:51] <popey> although oddly two of us are on the CC :)
[12:52] <popey> so they will be rapidly switching hats during the meeting
[12:52] <dpm> anyway, for starters I'll put it in the calendar to ensure everyone is aware of the right time across timezones, starting with me :)
[12:55] <popey> :)
[12:55] <dpm> seems I might be triple-booked at 18:00 :/
[12:55] <popey> Get you mister popular!
[12:56] <dpm> :)
[12:56] <dpm> anyway, I might be able to skeak out in case the meeting happens to start before 18:30
[13:20] <dholbach> dpm, it's at 18:30 our time
[13:20] <dholbach> (what popey said)
[13:20] <popey> :)
[13:27] <dpm> thanks both :)
[14:46] <dholbach> balloons, davidcalle, dpm, mhall119, popey: I think we should go, triage and fix a couple of developer-ubuntu-com bugs again some time
[14:49] <popey> good call
[14:59] <mhall119> dholbach: content bugs you mean, since we still haven't had a deployment yet
[15:00] <dholbach> mhall119, any
[15:33] <dpm> knome, just re-read the docs meeting agenda, thanks for updating the topics!
[16:35] <mhall119> davidcalle: call?
[16:35] <davidcalle> mhall119: omw
[17:02] <belkinsa> To the Canonical Community Team: You have a CC check-in meeting in 30 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:04] <dpm> thanks belkinsa
[18:17] <dholbach> I call it a day - see you all tomorrow again! :-()
[18:17] <popey> dholbach: o/
[18:44] <HaloSponge> Have a Happy St Patricks day everyone !
[18:45] <Kilos> you too HaloSponge
[18:45] <HaloSponge> Hows it going Kilos ?
[18:45] <Kilos> good ty and you
[18:45] <HaloSponge> I did my drinking at lunch time :)
[18:45] <HaloSponge> very well.
[18:45] <HaloSponge> merry.
[18:45] <Kilos> i dont drink
[18:45] <Kilos> lol
[18:46] <HaloSponge> fair enough.
[18:46] <HaloSponge> nor do I really.


[06:05] <MatthewAllen> darkxst, with the "
[06:05] <MatthewAllen> Improve the Get Ubuntu GNOME wiki page (Ubuntu)", would the layout under "Ubuntu Gnome 15.10" be appropriate? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOMEUpdate/GetUbuntuGNOME
[06:07] <darkxst> MatthewAllen, more like this which was started but could be further improved
[06:07] <darkxst> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME-Copy
[06:07] <darkxst> and preferably usings variables for the actual links
[06:08] <MatthewAllen> I've never edited a wiki page before, can you expand on how to use variables instead of actual links?
[06:09] <MatthewAllen> Should I edit the page you linked me if no one is working on it anymore?
[06:09] <darkxst> MatthewAllen, copy it first
[06:10] <darkxst> MatthewAllen, https://moinmo.in/HelpOnVariables#Defining_New_Variables
[06:10] <darkxst> you need to use the @var@ form or it won't work
[06:16] <MatthewAllen> darkxt, the 15.04 download link appears to be broken, the wiki links to https://ubuntugnome.org/ubuntu-gnome-15-04-is-released/ and then that page links back to wiki to download - no actual download link is given
[06:22] <MatthewAllen> darkxst, so are you saying I should define the download links as a variable at the top of the page source, so they can be edited easily later - and then use the variables as the links on the download buttons
[06:23] <darkxst> they go in a MyDict page, but yes use those vars for the actual links, so we don't have to edit the table when updating
[06:24] <MatthewAllen> what is a MyDict page?
[06:25] <MatthewAllen> Oh, don't worry - found it
[06:34] <MatthewAllen> darkxst, I've got my page and then from there I've got /MyDict I created a variable called VAR1 but if I use @VAR1@ in the main page the value isn't replaced and shows up as @VAR1@, any idea whats wrong? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOMEUpdate/GetUbuntuGNOME2
[06:49] <darkxst> no, but i did test it quickly https://wiki.ubuntu.com/darkxst/test
[06:52] <MatthewAllen> oh, I think I had the MyDict in the wrong directory
[07:27] <MatthewAllen> darkxst, I've got the variables working fine for inline text and I've found the links I need to change, however whenever I use getVal where the links go it trys to link to the MyDict page
[07:32] <darkxst> getvar renders too late, it will never work
[07:36] <MatthewAllen> hmmm, using @varname@ isn't working for me? Do I need to specificy the page or should I just be able to enter @varname@ provided that variable is in my MyDict page?
[07:41] <darkxst> the latter, but they won't show in the preview only on the real page
[07:43] <MatthewAllen> I tried it on the real page aswell and still couldn't get it to work.
[07:45] <darkxst> it worked on my test page
[07:45] <MatthewAllen> 'So you have your variables in the RelDict page? And you type in @WILY1@ or whatever?
[07:46] <darkxst> MatthewAllen, no that didnt work, they are in MyDict
[07:47] <darkxst> then @VAR@ should work
[07:47] <MatthewAllen> So this is my MyDict page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOMEUpdate/MyDict
[07:47] <MatthewAllen> this is my wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOMEUpdate/GetUbuntuGNOME2
[07:47] <MatthewAllen> typing @WILY1@ shows up on the final page @WILY1@ and not the value itself
[08:24] <darkxst> MatthewAllen, hmm, I don't know
[08:27] <MatthewAllen> darkxst, what other things were meant to be changed with that wiki page?
[08:27] <darkxst> make the table looks nice
[08:28] <darkxst> its very unbalanced as is
[09:53] <robbert> darkxst: hey Tim, are you here? :)
[09:53] <darkxst> robbert, hi
[09:55] <robbert> darkxst: so i got a question: you said "Further the keyboard settings have been moved into universal-access panel for 3.20"
[09:56] <robbert> darkxst: what is that 3.20?
[09:56] <darkxst> next upstream release
[09:57] <robbert> so should i clone the latest git version and modify that one?
[09:57] <darkxst> 16.04 will be 3.18 most likely though
[09:57] <robbert> or should i continue with 3.18?
[09:57] <darkxst> robbert, patch against the 3.18 ubuntu branch
[09:57] <darkxst> lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/ubuntu
[09:58] <robbert> darkxst: alright, thank you
[09:58] <darkxst> there is nothing to upstream in this case
[09:58] <robbert> but till now i built from debianlp:
[09:59] <robbert> what is the difference?
[09:59] <darkxst> no you built against some trusty branch
[09:59] <darkxst> lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/ubuntu is the packaging branch for current dev series
[10:00] <robbert> okay
[10:00] <robbert> and lastly, for the defaults:
[10:00] <robbert> i am using a virtual machine with 16.04 on it
[10:00] <darkxst> the UDD branch are broken most of the time at best
[10:01] <darkxst> ubuntu GNOME VM?
[10:01] <robbert> well i downloaded ubuntu 16.04 and it had unity as default, so i installed gnome and switched the layout
[10:02] <darkxst> hmm, make sure you have ubuntu-gnome-default-settings, that should override the ubuntu settings
[10:02] <darkxst> should, but if it doesnt there is another bug for you to dix!
[10:02] <darkxst> fix!
[10:03] <robbert> ok, and if you say that the udd branches are broken, does that mean that i shouldnt use bazaar for uploading?
[10:03] <darkxst> robbert, as a general rule, check for a Vcs-bzr line in the debian/control file
[10:04] <darkxst> if that exists use that branch
[10:04] <robbert> alright :)
[10:04] <darkxst> if that is not there, make sure the UDD branch is current, before you start working on it
[10:05] <darkxst> or just use pull-lp-source to get the source
[10:05] <robbert> with git then?
[10:06] <darkxst> git is coming to launchpad world
[10:06] <darkxst> i.e you can push git branches to launchpad
[10:06] <robbert> nice, so i will use that
[10:06] <darkxst> sure
[10:07] <darkxst> btw I will be away for a few days
[10:09] <robbert> so will i still be able to reach you via mail?
[10:11] <darkxst> yes, no internet where i will be staying, but should be able to respond to emails once per day
[10:16] <darkxst> robbert, feel free to work on some of the other bugs while you wait also
[10:20] <darkxst> Ive not pubished the others yet, but can do as needed
[10:21] <robbert> hm, but really wanna finish this one first!
[10:22] <darkxst> your almost there on that, but things will slow down while I am away!
[10:26] <robbert_> darkxst: is it possible that you hand me a proper example screenshot of the control center? i dont know what should be broken with mine
[10:29] <robbert_> and why does irc tell me that i have quit :D
[10:30] <darkxst> your username changed
[10:31] <robbert_> oh, yeah i see now
[10:32] <robbert_> the space
[10:32] <MatthewAllen> darkxst, the task "Split the Ubuntu GNOME package set into core and desktop" - should I simply be removing pretty much all the desktop application aside from Gnome settings and the like and just cutting it down to the bare minimum such as Window Manager, term, networking, etc etc?
[10:32] <darkxst> robbert_, http://imgur.com/8N0BdmC
[10:33] <robbert_> thank you :)
[10:33] <darkxst> MatthewAllen, basically, make a new "core" file and put all the really important stuff into that
[10:33] <darkxst> then the desktop seed can depend on that one
[10:34] <MatthewAllen> darkxst, do I then remove the packages that are in the core, from the desktop? So you essentially have to install both to get what was originally in the desktop
[10:35] <darkxst> MatthewAllen, anything that goes into core, is remove from desktop
[10:35] <darkxst> then desktop needs to depend on core
[10:35] <MatthewAllen> darkxst, ok - thanks :)
[10:35] <darkxst> it will also require some minor changed to ubuntu-gnome-meta to make that work
[10:37] <darkxst> MatthewAllen, many people will be happy if you complete that task ;) had many requests for it
[10:37] <darkxst> Xubuntu did a similar split earlier in the year
[10:39] <MatthewAllen> So i need to push a change in both /ubuntu-seeds/ubuntugnome.xenial and /wily/ubuntu-gnome-meta?
[10:41] <darkxst> ubuntu-gnome-meta generates the meta package(s) based on the seeds, it needs to learn about the new to be core seed
[10:43] <darkxst> it has an update script that does all work, but that needs 1 change
[10:46] <MatthewAllen> do I need to add 'core' as along with 'desktop' after seeds? The readme is particularly helpful
[10:49] <darkxst> in update.cfg? probably yeh
[10:50] <MatthewAllen> is there any proper way to test update against a local copy of the seed?
[10:51] <darkxst> not directly, you use the resulting ubuntu-gnome-meta packages
[10:52] <darkxst> ISO's are built directly against the seeds, but that is really hard to reproduce locally
[10:52] <MatthewAllen> just wondering how I'm supposed to actually make sure that my changes work
[10:53] <darkxst> you make a ubuntu-gnome-meta package pointing at your branch
[10:53] <darkxst> rather than the proper seeds
[10:53] <darkxst> in update.cfg
[10:53] <MatthewAllen> ahhh, will try that
[11:05] <robbert> darkxst: i cant make my control center look like yours, so is it ok if i download ubuntu gnome 15.10?
[11:06] <darkxst> robbert, yes do that
[11:07]  * darkxst sleeps now
[11:17] <darkxst> robbert, though that screenshot was from 16.04, 15.10 ahould be about the same though
[14:16] <robbert> hello there, is anybody here who can help me with coding gtkbuttons?
[15:02] <robbert> hello there, is anybody here who can help me with coding gtkbuttons?
[16:01] <edve98> does papercut like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1495708 need sytem information?
[16:07] <yago> Hi!
[16:08] <yago> Got a question: am I the only one having trouble registering at packages.qa.ubuntu.com?
[16:09] <MatthewAllen> yago, got any error messages?
[16:10] <yago> Once I get redirected (after entering my credentials), I get some sort of 404 error
[16:10] <yago> "The resource you tried to access doesn't exist. This can happen because of an invalid link or because of a bug."
[16:10] <MatthewAllen> yago, hmmm - try this link - https://login.ubuntu.com/UByAk44Zt8QqK7cd/+decide
[16:11] <yago> "Invalid OpenID transaction"
[16:12] <MatthewAllen> yago, maybe trying going back to the page through the QATracker (from the login button) and force refresh the page (ctrl+f5)
[16:12] <MatthewAllen> I just tried to create an account and had no issue
[16:25] <flocculant> yago: if you are positive you have an SSO account and you fail at tracker login, try going here first https://launchpad.net/+login
[16:26] <yago> flocculant: I finally solved it by clearing all browser data, thank you!
[16:36] <xcub> Can someone help me with these corrections I need to make here, I don't quite understand how to address DanChapman's second comment https://code.launchpad.net/~radonapps/dekko/master/+merge/281335
[19:33] <edve98> hey, I need a bit of help. I'm trying to build mir from source using this guide: https://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/building_source_for_pc.html but there is an obvious bash syntax error there. It says to build from source with this : "make (-j8)". Am I supposed to just run "make"?
[19:37] <knome> i believe this means -j8 is an optional argument
[19:38] <edve98> ah, of course. Why didn't I check manual page first... Thanks!
[19:38] <knome> no problem
[22:20] <edve98> I'm trying to build mesa but I had no luck thus far. ./autogen.sh runs fine, but when I run make it gives me this error: http://pastebin.com/Ufu6LWaT. Can anybody help me?
[23:09] <tsimonq2> edve98: can you please link me to the task?
[23:11] <edve98> +tsimonq2: is this is the link that you want? https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4619166501830656/?sp-page=1
[23:13] <tsimonq2> edve98: sorry, I don't know how to do this
[23:15] <edve98> +tsimonq2: no worries, I should probably picked simplier task as my first one :P
[23:15] <knome> edve98, there are "beginner" tasks for that purpose
[23:18] <edve98> I'll try to do two of them. But first I'll try to figure out what I'm doing wrong
[23:19] <knome> building mesa is something *i* wouldn't try to do unless i really had to :)
[23:22] <edve98> oh well.. I just tought that it woud be "fun" to try it out :P. I reckon you are quite advanced user, aren't you?
[23:23] <knome> one could say so
[23:24] <knome> in reality, there isn't much debugging i can do when something doesn't build apart from something really obvious, or some parameters, or something else really common
[23:24] <knome> that's to say, i'm not exactly a programmer
[23:26] <edve98> I see. Are you one of the volunteers helping out everybody or are you participantlike me?
[23:26] <edve98> (I hope it's okay to use this chat not only for task questions :P)
[23:26] <knome> i'm one of the mentors; those with a + next to their nicks are mentors
[23:27] <knome> and those with the cinnamon bun, or @, are the admins for ubuntu in google code-in
[23:27] <knome> and sure, i would say this channel is very relaxed and general discussion is okay
[23:28] <tsimonq2> (unlike #ubuntu :P)
[23:28] <tsimonq2> :D
[23:28] <knome> yep
[23:28] <edve98> I see., thanks ^^
[23:28]  * wxl eats jose's cinnamon bun
[23:29] <edve98> so you guys (mentors) are just random people from the internet or are you somehow affiliated with Ubuntu? :P
[23:30] <knome> all mentors are working with ubuntu
[23:30] <knome> that's kind of the point, being able to help
[23:31] <wxl> we're all intimately familiar with the community and its various enclaves, which is necessary to be able to mentor anyoen at all!
[23:32] <wxl> edve98: through your contributions, you can figure out how to become affiliated with ubuntu, too! :)
[23:32] <knome> but i guess we are also just random people from the internet...
[23:33] <wxl> well we started out as such, but converged at a common point (ubuntu)
[23:34] <edve98> I still don't get it. Is it hard to "get into" development of Ubuntu?
[23:34] <wxl> not at all
[23:34] <wxl> we're a welcoming community
[23:34] <xcub> Can someone here who is familiar with unit testing help me with this task? https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/6021533814226944/?sp-organization=4568116747042816&sp-is_beginner=False
[23:34] <edve98> It seems like most of the tasks aren't really helping Ubuntu, so that's why I ask
[23:34] <wxl> they all do in some way or another
[23:35] <wxl> if you mean many of them are not code-based, edve98, that just exemplifies that a lot of the work to be done is not code-based
[23:35] <edve98> how is it helping Ubuntu that I install mir? :P
[23:35] <wxl> edve98: i think the intention is the testing of it. a lot of testing is exploratory. it requires that many eyes be on it exploring it in different ways to sort out all the potential bugs
[23:36] <edve98> I see
[23:36] <wxl> edve98: even without the qa side of things, it can help from an advocacy/marketing perspective by showing that it's relatively easy to install
[23:36] <wxl> this may encourage more people to try it and test it and come up with other potential bugs
[23:36] <wxl> that's what one would expect with such a new technology
[23:37] <wxl> edve98: if you are interested in contributing beyond the scope of google code-in, we'd be more than happy to help you find a place that takes advantage of your particular skills and/or interests
[23:37] <edve98> it would actually be lovely
[23:38] <edve98> I found out about google code-in too late to win anything more than a t-shirt anyway :P
[23:38] <wxl> edve98: is there a particular area that you wish to grow in? or an area that you know you're particular good at? generally there's testing/bugs/qa, marketing, graphics, documentation, and development
[23:39] <wxl> edve98: and then of course there's particular flavors (lubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu, etc.) as well as different devices or platforms
[23:39] <edve98> well, I think I'm ok with C++ and I'd like to do something with it
[23:40] <wxl> have you had any experience with developing on a large project before?
[23:41] <edve98> no, not on large projects. Althouh I did use git when my friends and I were creating a game for Ludum Dare :P
[23:42] <wxl> ok, so, is there a particular package or set of packages that interests you or you feel particular skilled to deal with?
[23:42] <wxl> also what's your OS of choice?
[23:43] <edve98> I'm using Ubuntu for some time now...
[23:43] <wxl> well that's always a plus :)
[23:44] <edve98> and I'm not sure about the packages. I always feel that I don't know enough about Linux and generally open source projects when talking to somebody else :P
[23:46] <wxl> what do you think you don't know about?
[23:46] <wxl> maybe you don't know enough to know :)
[23:49] <edve98> mostly everything :D. For egzample my bash/terminal knowledge is "just enough" for me to use it. I know that there are a lot of things I don't know :P
[23:49] <wxl> edve98: one thing i might suggest, then, is getting involved in QA/testing or support or documentation, as all of these things will require you to learn more
[23:49] <tsimonq2> heyyyyy wxl
[23:50] <wxl> o/ tsimonq2
[23:50] <adueppen> heyyyyy tsimonq2
[23:50] <tsimonq2> lol hey adueppen
[23:51] <edve98> umm. hi :D
[23:51] <wxl> tsimonq2 is relatively new to the ubuntu community, so he might be a good resource to talk to, too, edve98
[23:52] <tsimonq2> o/
[23:52] <wxl> tsimonq2: we were just discussing how edve98 could contribute to ubuntu beyond gci
[23:52] <tsimonq2> I know my way around, wxl ;) :P
[23:52] <adueppen> wxl: I'm fairly new as well
[23:52] <wxl> yes you too adueppen :)
[23:52] <edve98> yeah, I'd like to contribute to Ubuntu somehow
[23:52] <tsimonq2> edve98: what do you like to do?
[23:53] <edve98> coding, but I'm not sure if my skills are sufficent
[23:53] <tsimonq2> Graphic Design, Code, QA, Bug Triaging, etc.
[23:53] <tsimonq2> edve98: I'm in the same boat ;)
[23:53] <wxl> edve98: he's an ubuntu user, with some experience in c++ but feels like he doesn't know about linux/OS in general
[23:53] <adueppen> edve98: what languages are you good at?
[23:53] <wxl> oops that was meant for tsimonq2
[23:53] <edve98> c++, a bit of python
[23:53] <wxl> tsimonq2: i suggested he do QA/testing, support, or docs to learn more
[23:54] <edve98> I actually quite like that idea
[23:54] <wxl> c++ and py are about the top two languages used in the repos, i would imagine
[23:54] <wxl> edve98: you can do a little bit of all the above, too. there are no contracts. you just volunteer your time as much as you can
[23:54] <wxl> i do a ton of different things but my main contributions are in QA
[23:55] <tsimonq2> edve98: well first and foremost I would recommend this book if you feel like you want to know more about Linux in general: http://tille.garrels.be/training/tldp/
[23:56] <edve98> thanks
[23:56] <edve98> so lets say I want to contribute to qa or docs
[23:56] <edve98> where do I start? :P
[23:56] <tsimonq2> edve98: and next, I would recommend just looking at some docs and learning about the infrastructure of Ubuntu in general
[23:57] <tsimonq2> edve98: let me find a link for you
[23:57] <tsimonq2> that will help you find where you want to be
[23:57] <tsimonq2> http://community.ubuntu.com/
[23:57] <tsimonq2> this looks well put together ^^
[23:59] <tsimonq2> wxl: ^
[23:59] <edve98> thanks again :P. One question: where do you guys chat usually? tsimonq8 said that #ubuntu is quite formal. Another irc channel perhaps?


[11:08] <bac> hello frankban
[11:30] <frankban> hi bac
[11:33] <bac> frankban: did you see we copied the lpsetup and shelltoolbox ppas to ~launchpad?
[11:34] <bac> we need to decide whether to update the build recipes or just manually copy them over when we're satisfied.
[11:53] <frankban> bac: ack. Maybe we should create the recipes in Launchpad and configure them to build daily, AFAIK we will no longer work on lpsetup.
[11:53] <bac> frankban: probably wise
[12:10] <gary_poster> bac benji frankban call now-ish
[12:11] <bac> gary_poster: please invite
[12:12] <gary_poster> bac, done
[12:21] <gary_poster> https://canonical.leankitkanban.com/Boards/View/102529849
[12:30] <gary_poster> https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/LaunchpadJujuCharmForDevs
[12:32] <gary_poster> bac are you coming back?
[12:33] <bac> gary_poster: it won't let me.  invite again?
[12:49] <bac> gary_poster: in other good news, claro has decided we are good internet citizens and have agreed to let us buy a faster package.  should be active within 24 hours.
[12:50] <gary_poster> bac, great!
[14:02] <bac> gary_poster: what is the current projected parallel test run time on the new hardware?
[14:04] <gary_poster> bac, really strongly hopefully less than an hour.
[14:05] <gary_poster> ideally 35 minutes
[14:05] <gary_poster> but who knows till it happens
[14:55] <frankban> gary_poster: the final registration is for Product Strategy Summit - 24-26 October, right?
[15:08] <benji> frankban: is there anything I can do to help on the lpsetup recipe?
[15:09] <frankban> benji: yes, I removed the packages already copied in the launchpad ppa, but the upload still fails: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/113841748/upload_4072043_log.txt
[15:10] <gary_poster> frankban, that was the last one on my list, I think
[15:10]  * benji looks.
[15:11] <benji> frankban: hmm, have you tried artificially bumping the version?
[15:11] <frankban> benji: maybe we have to wait a bit before attempting to re build the package after deletion. Otherwise, an easy workaround could be committing an empty change in trunk.
[15:12] <benji> frankban: yep, if you have the revision in the version string, then an empty revision might do it
[15:13] <frankban> gary_poster: yes, and for accomodation -checkout, should I have to put November 1st? I already specified that in the eventbrite form, so, it's a bit confusing
[15:14] <gary_poster> frankban, yes, I think we are entering the same information over and over and over.  Don't stop. :-)  Who knows where they will actually be looking.
[15:14] <frankban> benji: yes we have. I will commit an empty changeset in trunk.
[15:14] <gary_poster> Our car won't start
[15:14] <gary_poster> I need to go out and get some metric wrenches
[15:15] <gary_poster> and a wire brush
[15:15] <frankban> gary_poster: :-) thanks
[15:15] <gary_poster> to see if it is just corrosion on the battery
[15:15] <gary_poster> so I'm taking my lunch now and might be kinda long
[15:15] <gary_poster> hopefully back in 1.5 hours max
[15:15] <gary_poster> bye
[15:15] <gary_poster> welcome :-)
[15:27] <frankban> benji: building
[15:27]  * benji crosses his fingers.
[15:34] <bac> first cut of wiki page with holes:  https://dev.launchpad.net/yellow/ParallelTestingTroubleshooting
[15:40] <frankban> benji: done
[15:41] <benji> cool
[16:09]  * benji lunches.
[17:50]  * benji looks for a next task on the board.
[18:06] <bac> benji: you want to 'collaborate' by adding your experience to that wiki ^^^ page?
[18:16] <benji> bac: sure
[18:22] <bac> gary, benji:  the phone guy is here to do surgery on our wiring.  i may be disconnected for a bit.
[18:22] <gary_poster> ack bac.  good luck
[18:22] <benji> k
[18:22] <bac> yes, thanks
[18:23] <bac> gary_poster: can we talk here about our next bit of work?  do we need to reconvene under the canonical server?
[18:24] <gary_poster> bac, hm.  Maybe the canonical server is appropriate.  This is logged publicly, IIRC
[18:24] <bac> indeed
[18:24] <bac> logged and googleable
[18:24] <gary_poster> I will ask Kapil if there is already a reasonable place...
[19:58] <bac> gary_poster: i was just reminded next monday is labor day.  i plan to take it off and have just entered into canonicaladmin
[19:59] <gary_poster> bac, ah! thanks for the reminder.  not sure what I will do yet
[20:00] <bac> benji: thanks for the addition
[20:00] <bac> gary_poster: there is a question for you in https://dev.launchpad.net/yellow/ParallelTestingTroubleshooting
[20:00] <gary_poster> I think I saw in bac :-)
[20:00] <gary_poster> it
[20:00] <bac> regarding which subunit-filter to use
[20:01] <gary_poster> oh, no, the page has progressed since I saw it last
[20:01] <gary_poster> bac, PYTHONPATH is no longer necessary.  PPA alone is sufficient
[20:02] <bac> gary_poster: that's what i figured
[21:02] <bac> gary_poster: did you get the car fixed?
[21:04] <bac> you should describe the symptoms and let benji and me do a differential diagnosis (he said merging "House" with "Car Talk")
[21:05] <benji> heh
[21:06] <benji> I've though about doing a Car Talk like show where people call in with bugs in their software.
[21:06] <benji> The potential audience and the potential callers would probably limit its success somewhat.
[22:54] <bac> "Caller did you check to see if you changed any global state?"