[12:24] <LaserJock> mdke_: ping?
[12:28] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody here?
[12:33] <robotgeek> LaserJock: pong
[12:34] <LaserJock> we have to move the Freeze
[12:35] <robotgeek> LaserJock: why?
[12:35] <LaserJock> because the UI Freeze was moved
[12:35] <robotgeek> linky?
[12:36] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule/Slewed
[12:36] <robotgeek> LaserJock: but has this been approved
[12:36] <robotgeek> yes,is see
[12:37] <robotgeek> LaserJock: isn't 2 weeks enough
[12:37] <robotgeek> April 20th to May 4th
[12:38] <LaserJock> robotgeek: we were going to have the Freeze April 6th
[12:38] <robotgeek> brb
[12:40] <Burgwork> can we do an internal docteam string freeze on the 6th
[12:40] <Burgwork> that way we can go to translators early, with the understanding that small strings might change
[12:41] <LaserJock> but if the UI freeze isn't until the 20th ...
[12:43] <Burgwork> realistically, not much is going to change except for screenshots
[12:43] <LaserJock> hopefully, although there was discussion today about playing dvds
[12:43] <Burgwork> yes
[12:44] <LaserJock> I think your probably right
[12:44] <LaserJock> s/your/you're/
[12:53] <robotgeek> LaserJock: did they take out libdvdcss?
[12:54] <robotgeek> anyways, i gotta cook some grub, later
[12:54] <LaserJock> well, supposedly gstreamer will have it in the future
[12:55] <LaserJock> not sure though
[01:15] <arito> Hi. Is it OK to use this channel to point a tiny error in Dapper documentation, or should I rather do it on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:16] <Burgwork> arito, what is the issue?
[01:17] <arito> It's in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/programming.html#java. On phase 6. there's "sudo" missing from the instruction.
[01:17] <Burgwork> hmm, actually, can you raise that on the mailing list?
[01:17] <Burgwork> that way it gets logged
[01:18] <arito> I'll do that, thanks :-)
[01:28] <robotgeek> Burgwork: bvm, i'll fix it
[01:28] <robotgeek> nvm
[04:16] <LaserJock> hi theCore
[04:21] <theCore> hey LaserJock
[04:25] <Madpilot> hi al
[04:25] <Madpilot> all, even
[04:25] <robotgeek> hey Madpilot
[04:25] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot
[04:49] <theCore> party time!
[04:49] <theCore> ;)
[04:50] <robotgeek> theCore: why?
[04:51] <theCore> I saw everyone saying hi to all, so it's a party
[04:51] <robotgeek> heh
[04:53] <LaserJock> robotgeek: is it light? ;-)
[04:53] <LaserJock> lite I guess
[04:53] <robotgeek> LaserJock: depends on your drink time flags
[04:53] <Madpilot> lite beer isn't beer, it's an abomination
[04:54] <robotgeek> Madpilot: ++
[04:54] <Madpilot> Guiness forever! :P
[04:54] <robotgeek> *chilled*
[05:06] <theCore> heh hey!
[05:07] <theCore> long life to Dapper
[05:21] <LaserJock> 3-5 years at least ;-)
[05:37] <robotgeek> Madpilot: so, what are our deadlines again?
[05:38] <Madpilot> robotgeek, the wiki page still has May 4th
[05:38] <robotgeek> okay
[05:38] <Madpilot> sounds like most are happy with a much shorter extension, though
[05:38] <Madpilot> early April or so, and give the rest to the translators
[05:39] <robotgeek> sounds good to me
[05:40] <LaserJock> guys, check out wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule/Slewed
[05:41] <LaserJock> if you haven't already ;-)
[05:43] <robotgeek> LaserJock: yes, but we decided on a internal freeze, right?
[05:43] <LaserJock> I don't know
[05:44] <LaserJock> UI freeze is 20th of April
[05:44] <LaserJock> but Corey pointed out earlier that there probably isn't going to be any big changes before UI Freeze
[05:45] <LaserJock> I think it is mostly we get done when we get done
[05:45] <robotgeek> heh
[05:45] <LaserJock> everything but my silly doc seem pretty much ready to go
[05:46] <Madpilot> we could keep tweaking the Desktop Guides, but they'll work as-is
[05:46] <robotgeek> Madpilot: you can put in all your funkiness
[05:47] <Madpilot> one thing I'd like to see added - but couldn't write myself - is 'installing your bookmarks from FF/IE/etc in FF in Ubuntu' - make things easier for switchers
[05:52] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i don't have a section on firefox at all :)
[05:52] <Madpilot> can Konq import any other browser's bookmark files?
[05:52] <robotgeek> yes, firefox / mozilla i think. lemme check
[05:54] <Madpilot> that's one of the major reasons I stick with Opera - I've got a massive bookmark file, and neither FF nor Epiph can import Opera bookmarks (Opera can import FF, IE & Netscape, though...)
[05:54] <robotgeek> Madpilot: opera can't export?
[05:54] <Madpilot> only as it's own bookmark file or as HTML, it looks like
[05:57] <robotgeek> Madpilot: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i10321
[05:58] <Madpilot> cool - good for Konq!
[05:58] <robotgeek> Madpilot: now i gotta document this :)
[05:59] <Madpilot> robotgeek, you should also tell ppl where to find their bookmark files in Windows
[06:00] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i can point them to a resource somewhere, i don't want to spoil the guide with windows stuff :)
[06:00] <Madpilot> heh. your prejudices are showing, robotgeek :P
[06:00] <robotgeek> yeah, and why not :)
[06:01] <Madpilot> For Opera, typing "opera:about" in the address bar will get a display that includes where the bookmark file is
[06:02] <robotgeek> hmm, kinda tough if you don't know that anyways :)
[06:04] <Madpilot> Epiphany's bookmark handling is so different, I'm not surprised I can't even find an "Import Bookmarks" function in it...
[06:04] <robotgeek> it does what, tagigng?
[06:05] <Madpilot> yes
[06:05] <Madpilot> rather than categories - think GMail
[06:05] <Burgundavia> it is there
[06:05] <Burgundavia> bookmarks, edit bookmarks
[06:06] <Burgundavia> on the popup, file, import bookmarks
[06:06] <Madpilot> ah, thanks. FF & Konq only, though
[06:07] <robotgeek> it's going to be a pain if you havent tagged since the beginning. plus i use simpy.com for that
[06:07] <Burgundavia> it can do from file
[06:07] <Burgundavia> doesn't list Konq if Konq is not installed
[06:07] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: are you playing with the evil KDE?
[06:08] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, nope, this is my Breezy install
[06:08] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: why so much anger :)
[06:31] <Burgundavia> brb. Installing flight5
[06:32] <LaserJock> hmm, what are the possibilities for "status"?
[06:32] <robotgeek> LaserJock: it's on wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects
[06:33] <LaserJock> ah, thanks. I was thinking I might set a status tonight ;-)
[06:34] <Madpilot> bottom of the Projects page, LaserJock
[06:37] <LaserJock> do you generally set the status at the scect1 level?
[06:38] <Madpilot> on UDG, most sect tags have their own status - they all show up in the status display, even down to sect4
[06:38] <LaserJock> hmm, ok thanks guys
[06:39] <LaserJock> I think I've got a section to put in "review"
[06:39] <LaserJock> gotta go to bed now
[06:39] <natroll_movie> later jocky
[06:40] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, back in Flight5? Enjoying the orange? :P
[06:41] <robotgeek> now people are going to say "i loved the brown"
[06:41] <highvolt1ge> robotgeek: i'm even missing the brown!
[06:41] <highvolt1ge> robotgeek: and i had a *strong* dislike for the brown (to put it mildly)
[06:42] <robotgeek> highvolt1ge: exactly!
[06:42] <highvoltsg> grrr
[06:42] <Madpilot> I liked the brown; I found a derivitive theme with a slightly redder brown that I like even more :P
[06:42] <robotgeek> i actually liked the brown, i found it very easy to read
[06:43] <highvoltage> the brown did grow on me.
[06:43] <robotgeek> highvoltage: that's why we use kde :)
[06:43] <highvoltage> i even dreamed about using a future OS and it was brown in my dream.
[06:43] <robotgeek> now with 40% more blue
[06:43] <highvoltage> well, I use a Blue GNOME, which is just about 5% less blue that kubuntu
[06:44] <robotgeek> highvoltage: no one likes the new kubuntu blue, so i guess it's in the same boat as ubuntu
[06:44] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: no, the cd wouldn't boot and I am already enjoying teh orange
[06:44] <highvoltage> see, blue: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/gartublu?full=1
[06:45] <robotgeek> highvoltage: left handed?
[06:45] <highvoltage> robotgeek: no, don't let the gnome meny position mislead you :)
[06:46] <highvoltage> robotgeek: i never use that anyway, so i just put it out of the way
[06:46] <robotgeek> heh, okay
[06:46] <robotgeek> highvoltage: where's your terminal :)
[06:46] <highvoltage> robotgeek: the apps at the right are what i use mostly, for anything else, I press ALT+F2 and run
[06:46] <highvoltage> robotgeek: i open it from desktop
[06:46] <highvoltage> robotgeek: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/gnome_terminal_4
[06:47] <highvoltage> robotgeek: i always have a terminal open on one of my virtual desktops
[06:47] <highvoltage> robotgeek: i press ctrl+alt+left/right to switch
[06:47] <robotgeek> highvoltage: cool
[06:47] <natroll_movie> never got used to multiple desktops
[06:48] <Madpilot> I run 8 :P
[06:48] <highvoltage> natroll_movie: it sux when you use the mouse to switch, too much work, i like lots of keyboard shortcuts
[06:48] <natroll_movie> me too
[06:49] <robotgeek> highvoltage: if you use firefox, get the next please extension, and http://users.tkk.fi/~psillanp/hah_hp/
[06:52] <highvoltage> nice plugin. i think konqueror has that built-in.
[06:52] <robotgeek> highvoltage: it works better than the konq one. konq only does a-z
[06:52] <highvoltage> i use konqueror often to test browser compatibility, and i've seen those tags on web pages when i've accidentally pressed something before.
[06:52] <highvoltage> ah.
[06:53] <robotgeek> kill the rodent, now
[07:00] <highvoltage> hehe, is kubuntu also turning orange? http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1862
[07:00] <robotgeek> we object!
[07:01] <highvoltage> robotgeek: the riddel has spoken!
[07:01] <highvoltage> :)
[07:01] <robotgeek> 40% more blue
[07:01] <robotgeek> yuck
[08:41] <mdke_> morning
[08:41] <robotgeek> morning mdke_
[08:42] <Burgundavia> morning mdke
[08:42] <mdke> hi robotgeek, Burgundavia
[08:43] <mdke> it's time to unleash my kubuntu changes
[08:43] <robotgeek> mdke: awesome, xslt proc :)
[08:46] <Burgundavia> ok, building gimmie defeats me
[08:47] <mdke> unleashed
[08:47] <mdke> so are we definitely dropping quickguide for kubuntu?
[08:47] <robotgeek> ++
[08:48] <robotgeek> it becomes totally redundant with Desktop Guide and a Kde Quick Guide
[08:49] <mdke> I'll do that too
[08:49] <robotgeek> mdke: don't delete it yet
[08:49] <robotgeek> i need to go thru it and copy some relevant stuff
[08:49] <robotgeek> maybe just comment it in the makefile
[08:50] <mdke> I won't delete it, just removing it from the package
[08:52] <mdke> so have they approved a new freeze for us without asking?
[08:52] <robotgeek> mdke: yes
[08:52] <mdke> ok, we need to deal with that
[08:52] <mdke> 6 weeks is insane
[08:53] <mdke> realistically, not a lot is going to change for UI freeze, I don't think
[08:53] <mdke> and anyway, screenshots can be updated at any time, that doesn't count as a string :)
[08:53] <robotgeek> mdke: yes, maybe colors and stuff might change, but the rest should be okay
[08:54] <robotgeek> mdke: good point "pics not strings"
[08:54] <mdke> if we don't change the name of screenshots, and they aren't translated, I see no reason why they can't be updated at any time up to release
[08:54] <robotgeek> correct
[08:55] <robotgeek> so all we need to is to atleast have placeholders
[08:55] <mdke> quite
[08:56] <mdke> hmm
[08:56] <mdke> this is a pain
[08:56] <mdke> string freeze isn't until April 27
[08:58] <robotgeek> Hope they don't go changing about stuff here and there
[08:58] <mdke> hmmmm
[09:00] <mdke> ok I'll send a proposal to the list
[09:00] <robotgeek> ill read it there
[09:01] <mdke> does the TB have an email address?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> mdke: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
[09:01] <mdke> thanks
[09:02] <robotgeek><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:02] <robotgeek> oops, too fast
[09:06] <mdke> ok mailed
[09:11] <robotgeek> yes, replying now :)
[09:14] <robotgeek> mdke: should i cc the TB
[09:17] <Madpilot> I'm committing dean's UDG patches now, just fyi
[09:18] <mdke> robotgeek, yeah
[09:18] <mdke> Madpilot, rock
[09:20] <Madpilot> Committed revision 2614.
[09:21] <robotgeek> mdke: rock with the xslt stuff
[09:22] <robotgeek> mdke: would i have to change anything now? i think bring back the headers
[09:36] <Madpilot> mdke, could we remove the entire ubuntu/menus/en directory? it seems to be redundant w/ menus/C ?
[09:36] <robotgeek> -> bed
[09:37] <Madpilot> later, robotgeek
[09:37] <robotgeek_zzz> later Madpilot
[09:56] <Madpilot> mdke, ping
[10:52] <Madpilot> two commits is enough for one night. Later everyone
[05:02] <jjesse> so do we now refer to dapper as 6.06 instead of 6.04?
[05:09] <lloydinho> I think so. At least that's how I understand this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-March/005555.html
[05:53] <trappist> what's the preferred way to entity-ize the version?  should it be in global.ent?
[05:55] <mkde> trappist: there is a ubuntu/gnome.ent that has it in, although yeah, it probably would be better as global.ent
[06:02] <UberoDocy> hello.
[06:03] <UberoDocy> can anyone point me on how to compile ubuntu-doc stuff in a single html file instead of generating the multiple html files?
[06:04] <mkde> the builds do both
[06:04] <mkde> what doc?
[06:04] <UberoDocy> faqguide
[06:04] <UberoDocy> so probably it is already there ... let me check:)
[06:04] <mkde> that's a breezy document
[06:04] <UberoDocy> yape...
[06:04] <UberoDocy> breezy stuff....
[06:04] <mkde> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html
[06:05] <UberoDocy> mdke, yape... but I'm compiling localized version.
[06:05] <mkde> which language?
[06:06] <UberoDocy> pt
[06:06] <UberoDocy> yape... don't why but doesn't appear the *all document in build/gnome/faqi386/pt
[06:06] <mkde> so you want to build html from /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/generic/faqguide/pt?
[06:07] <UberoDocy> yes.
[06:07] <UberoDocy> but I was using the source of ubuntu-doc to do it.
[06:07] <mkde> have you got a copy of our repository?
[06:07] <mkde> oh right
[06:07] <mkde> hang on
[06:08] <UberoDocy> (what do you think on having in help.ubuntu.com the localized versions?)
[06:08] <UberoDocy> ok thanks...
[06:08] <mkde> UberoDocy: we could have them there, but generally locoteams prefer to host them on their own sites
[06:08] <UberoDocy> mdke, yape, that is the idea:)
[06:08] <UberoDocy> ok
[06:09] <UberoDocy> I did this in a crappy way.. changed the Makefile "C" to "pt" added some files in the right place....
[06:09] <UberoDocy> not sure if there is a better way.
[06:09] <UberoDocy> it generates well the chapters and everything in html.
[06:10] <mkde> just getting the source for breezy
[06:10] <UberoDocy> I downloaded the ubuntu-doc-6.2 tar.gz
[06:11] <trappist> if somebody wants to come up with a good name for the version entity I'll implement it and start hunting down literal version references
[06:12] <mkde> trappist: just use the ones in ubuntu/libs/gnome.ent?
[06:13] <mkde> UberoDocy: 6.2 is a dapper package...
[06:15] <mkde> UberoDocy: if you use the stylesheet at /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/html/docbook.xsl it should build a single page of html, I think
[06:16] <UberoDocy> mkde, I'm confused... can you give me a http address? If it was a dapper package wouldn't have translations right?
[06:17] <mkde> that's right
[06:18] <mkde> UberoDocy: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-docs/ <-- dapper 6.03 and breezy 5.10
[06:20] <mkde> UberoDocy: email me your translation and I'll build it for you
[06:20] <mkde><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:20] <UberoDocy> mdke, the breezy translations are on the package....
[06:21] <UberoDocy> I should learn in any case, for the future... :)
[06:21] <UberoDocy> mdke, but thanks a lot for your offer.
[06:21] <mkde> our build system is a lot better now than it was for breezy
[06:21] <mkde> i'll use our new stylesheets
[06:23] <UberoDocy> mkde, hhmm... build system of the dapper documentation you mean?
[06:23] <UberoDocy> so, I can use breezy stuff and the improved dapper source to make the html?
[06:23] <mkde> just the dapper stylesheets
[06:23] <UberoDocy> hhmm...
[06:24] <UberoDocy> there should be no problems of retro compatibility then I guess...
[06:24] <UberoDocy> it's just the style that changes ...
[06:25] <mkde> download this file: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/libs/ubuntu-html-single-cust.xsl and then run the command "xsltproc --xinclude -o faqguide-all-pt.html ubuntu-html-single-cust.xsl faqguide-pt.xml"
[06:26] <mkde> then you'll need the css: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/libs/ubuntu-book.css
[06:26] <mkde> if you put that css in ../../common in relation to your html it will work
[06:27] <trappist> are .omf files generated or do they need to be brought in line with the new world order of version entities?
[06:28] <mkde> trappist: the latter
[06:28] <trappist> k
[06:28] <mkde> trappist: actually
[06:28] <mkde> trappist: no entities in those, just correct it manually
[06:28] <mkde> my bad
[06:28] <trappist> ok
[06:29] <UberoDocy> mkde, a big hurray for helpful guys like you :-) Thank you, with these points I should be able to move by myself.
[06:31] <mkde> UberoDocy: np hope it works
[06:31] <trappist> mkde: html files in the repo?  like browser-startpage/C/index.html
[06:31] <trappist> generated or need to be fixed
[06:31] <mkde> trappist: i fixed that already...
[06:32] <mkde> but the latter
[06:32] <trappist> mkde: it's fixed to 6.06 but not to entities - at least not in what I have checked out
[06:32] <mkde> we can't use entities in html files
[06:32] <mkde> xml only
[06:32] <trappist> yeah I just realized that :)
[06:37] <mkde> trappist: so are you moving them to global.ent, or leaving them in the ubuntu/kubuntu specific files?
[06:37] <trappist> mkde: makes more sense to me to move them to global.ent
[06:38] <trappist> seeing as how they're global
[06:38] <mkde> go for it
[06:39] <trappist> though the kde.ent entities have kde-specific names like kdistro-rev etc. so I'm leaving those
[06:39] <trappist> just fixing their values
[06:40] <UberoDocy> mkde, it worked... just a ubuntu-banner.xsl missing. Now, small icon images are not being included .... where are they?
[06:41] <mkde> UberoDocy: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/common/
[06:41] <mkde> trappist: i spose we can do a find/replace to fix the names too
[06:42] <mkde> kdistro-rev -> distro-rev
[06:42] <trappist> can do that too
[06:54] <trappist> the validator's giving me a zillion or so 'entity not defined' errors for entities I haven't touched.  guess I'll fix those too.
[07:04] <UberoDocy> mkde, I'm happy :-) everything works.
[07:06] <UberoDocy> see u late guys.
[07:41] <trappist> hrm.  just sent two gpg-signed messages to the list.  kmail calls one of the signatures bad.  does everybody's show them that way?
[07:47] <trappist> ok I thought maybe I'd entered the wrong passphrase and kmail had happily sent out a bad sig, but apparently it doesn't bahave that way.  thank god.
[07:50] <trappist> if you guys could have a look, I'd be very interested to know whether kmail made a bad signature or is mistakenly calling it bad.
[07:56] <robotgeek> trappist: patches and more patches. Kmail complains "Message was signed by trappist at gmail.com (Key ID: 0xblahbalh" Warning: The signature is bad.
[07:57] <robotgeek> the second email comes thru fine
[07:59] <trappist> well suck.  I wonder how it did that.  it's good news, though.  thanks.
[07:59] <robotgeek> trappist: if both were invalid, i would not have am issue. heh
[07:59] <trappist> it tells me it was signed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>maybe you imported my gmail one?
[08:00] <robotgeek> trappist: kmail does that automatically, i guess. lemme purge ans retry
[08:04] <mdke> robotgeek, yeah, you can re-add the headers and xincludes
[08:04] <robotgeek> mdke: i'll do that next time i am messing about
[08:05] <dsas> they're the same two signatures here, both from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:05] <robotgeek> trappist: it validates one, but doesn't the other.
[08:05] <trappist> robotgeek: yeah same here
[08:05] <trappist> I'm gonna re-send the first one
[08:06] <trappist> the one in my sent folder is validated
[08:07] <mdke> robotgeek, great
[08:08] <jjesse> did the patchs get applied trappist sent?
[08:08] <trappist> still invalid.
[08:09] <mdke> jjesse, not yet. That's a lot of patches :)
[08:09] <trappist> I wonder if mailman is modifying the message
[08:09] <jjesse> i'll apply the kubuntu one
[08:10] <mdke> jjesse, there may be more than one for kubuntu
[08:10] <mdke> trappist, ?
[08:11] <jjesse> about kubuntu
[08:11] <trappist> mdke: the gpg signature is invalid on the first email (and the 2nd try of the first email).  I think mailman may be touching the message in a way that breaks the signature.
[08:11] <mdke> I'm not bothered about the gpg signature... which emails should we be looking at?
[08:12] <trappist> "[PATCH]  Entities and validation" and "[PATCH]  Entities and validation part 2"
[08:12] <mdke> ok, so ignoring (retry)?
[08:12] <jjesse> dang it i don't have my svn password on me :(
[08:12] <trappist> mdke: yes
[08:12] <jjesse> about-kubunut needs to be patched
[08:12] <mdke> jjesse, we could ask trappist for a single patch and one of us can apply
[08:13] <trappist> haha.  it would have been so much easier to make a single patch in the first place :)
[08:13] <jjesse> i thought we asked him earlier tosend different patches per file
[08:13] <mdke> yeah
[08:13] <mdke> per doc
[08:13] <mdke> but this might be an exceptional case ;)
[08:13] <robotgeek> mdke: for i in *.patch ; do patch -p0 <$i; done
[08:13] <trappist> and the wiki says per filename, with the patches named accordingly :/
[08:13] <mdke> trappist, do they all validate?
[08:14] <trappist> mdke: there are two pre-existing validation errors left
[08:14] <mdke> which docs?
[08:14] <trappist> lemme see
[08:15] <mdke> robotgeek, if all the patches were done from the same directory, that will work I think
[08:15] <jjesse_meeting> later folks
[08:15] <mdke> bye
[08:15] <trappist> kubuntu/userguide/C/userguide.xml and generic/packagingguide/C/appendix.xml
[08:15] <trappist> mdke: they were
[08:15] <mdke> ok
[08:15] <mdke> robotgeek, do you fancy applying them all? if not I'll do it later when I am at my laptop
[08:16] <trappist> apply the patches and say: svn stat | egrep '^M.+\.xml' | awk '{print $2}' | while read line; do ./validate.sh $line; done
[08:16] <mdke> then we can fix those validation things later
[08:16] <robotgeek> mdke: okay, i don't mind
[08:17] <mdke> trappist, what do you mean in the email by "invalid entity names"?
[08:17] <trappist> mdke: mixed-case entity names don't validate
[08:18] <mdke> sure? I've never seen that
[08:18] <trappist> wiki-RootSudo didn't, but it was fine once I lowercased it in the .ent and the .xml
[08:18] <mdke> the desktop guide has always validated despite using wiki-RootSudo
[08:18] <mdke> or maybe I'm mistaken
[08:19] <mdke> anyhow, dinner
[08:19] <trappist> enjoy
[08:19] <LaserJock> any doc-base experts around?
[08:20] <trappist> LaserJock: ask your question ;)
[08:20] <LaserJock> well, I'm trying to make a .docbase file to register ubuntu-docs with doc base
[08:21] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure wheither I need to do each doc individually or just the whole /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/html/ directory
[08:22] <LaserJock> I suppose I could just try it out and see
[08:23] <trappist> apparently you can use a shell glob
[08:23] <trappist> for the files field
[08:23] <robotgeek> trappist: so, apply them with the validation errors?
[08:24] <trappist> robotgeek: I'm pretty sure I didn't introduce the validation errors... but if you apply them and validate like above you can see what they are.  they don't look at all related to anything I changed.
[08:27] <robotgeek> trappist: okay, lemme take a look one by one
[08:28] <robotgeek> svn needs a unrevert command :)
[08:28] <trappist> heh.
[08:31] <robotgeek> trappist: about the entities in mixed cases, it does validate with root-Sudo
[08:31] <trappist> odd, it didn't here
[08:32] <robotgeek> nvm, i'l lcommit after coffee
[08:37] <trappist> ok if I change it back it does validate.  maybe that was one of the files that wasn't sourcing global.ent.
[08:37] <trappist> if you like I'll do one big patch (with that one omitted)
[08:47] <LaserJock> hmm, can anybody give me a quick abstract of the Desktop Guide?
[08:48] <robotgeek> trappist: that would me nice
[08:48] <robotgeek> LaserJock: eating food, moment
[08:49] <mdke> LaserJock, see ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide-C.omf
[08:49] <LaserJock> mdke: is that current?
[08:49] <mdke> yep
[08:49] <mdke> hope so
[08:49] <LaserJock> mdke: I read it and it said it was a Q & A
[08:49] <LaserJock> mdke: I thought we moved away from that
[08:49] <mdke> I'll look
[08:50] <mdke> yeah that's crap
[08:50] <mdke> we should redo it
[08:50] <trappist> robotgeek: http://tra.ppi.st/bigun.diff
[08:52] <robotgeek> trappist: thanks, i'll take a look
[08:53] <trappist> robotgeek: maybe you could validate generic/packagingguide/C/appendix.xml and kubuntu/userguide/C/userguide.xml before applying, to verify that I didn't introduce the validation errors
[08:54] <robotgeek> trappist: yes, i am currently unreverting all. btw, thanks for the readline trick.
[08:54] <trappist> np
[08:55] <trappist> unreverting?
[08:55] <robotgeek> sorry, reverting :)
[08:57] <trappist> oh.  I just svn revert -R .
[08:59] <robotgeek> trappist: kubuntu user guide does not validate, btw
[08:59] <mdke> what is this kubuntu/userguide stuff?
[08:59] <mdke> sounds like another one to be nuked
[09:00] <LaserJock> trappist: what are you doing to the packaging guide?
[09:00] <robotgeek> heh, that is one from breezy i think mdke
[09:01] <trappist> LaserJock: nothing that I know of except the same stuff I'm doing to everything else... word nazi stuff, validation stuff and entity-izing versions
[09:02] <mdke> robotgeek, we'll ask jjesse and then nuke it
[09:02] <mdke> jjesse_meeting, ^^
[09:02] <LaserJock> robotgeek: are you applying all of trappist's patches?
[09:03] <robotgeek> LaserJock: havent applied anything yet, trying to fix validation first
[09:04] <jjesse> userguide can be nuked
[09:04] <mdke> thanks
[09:04] <mdke> robotgeek, ^
[09:04] <LaserJock> robotgeek: mind if I take care of the packaging guide patches?
[09:04] <robotgeek> mdke: okay. i'll be at the meeting to get what's happening to the Kubuntu Deskopt Firsthand
[09:05] <robotgeek> LaserJock: sure, go ahead :)
[09:05] <mdke> robotgeek, meeting?
[09:05] <robotgeek> mdke: kubuntu dev meeting
[09:05] <LaserJock> mdke: I think I almost have doc-base files for ubuntu-docs
[09:05] <mdke> robotgeek, cool
[09:05] <mdke> LaserJock, cool
[09:05] <mdke> @ everyone, cool
[09:05] <robotgeek> mdke: :)
[09:07] <robotgeek> wow, they are planning to change the menus again.
[09:07] <jjesse> for kubuntu or ubutu :(
[09:08] <robotgeek> for kubuntu.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[09:09] <mdke> robotgeek, LaserJock, how is the trappist patching expedition going? any help needed?
[09:10] <robotgeek> mdke: i'll look at it after the meeting
[09:10] <mdke> ok, shout if you need anything
[09:10] <robotgeek> sure
[09:23] <LaserJock> mdke: grrr, the doc-base thing has some weirdnesses
[09:26] <robotgeek> bkjones: cool
[09:27] <bkjones> :)
[09:27] <bkjones> NJ
[09:27] <robotgeek> bkjones: i'm currently in Somerset
[09:28] <bkjones> ah. I'm at Princeton Univ.
[09:28] <bkjones> Used to work on World's fair dr. in somerset.
[09:28] <robotgeek> bkjones: yes, seen from hostmask. :)
[09:29] <jjesse> robotgeek: script?
[09:29] <robotgeek> jjesse: to switch from Description (Name) to Name (Description)
[09:30] <jjesse> ah
[09:30] <robotgeek> i wrote it last time i had make the switch
[09:30] <LaserJock> robotgeek: I though that is what emacs is for ;-)
[09:30] <jjesse> i think its just way to late to have discussions like this
[09:30] <robotgeek> LaserJock: i could use vim macros, but i tht of some fun with python
[09:30] <robotgeek> jjesse: yes
[09:39] <trappist> I'm really bothered by the gpg signature breakage on the list.  I sent the message to myself and it comes out fine.
[09:39] <LaserJock> trappist: LP seems to do it too
[09:39] <trappist> LP?
[09:39] <trappist> oh launchpad
[09:39] <LaserJock> I think. I'm not certain
[09:40] <LaserJock> I've noticed the same behaviour
[09:40] <trappist> I emailed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but I dunno if that actually goes to anybody.
[09:41] <LaserJock> possibly
[09:52] <mdke> trappist, jdub does the lists
[09:52] <trappist> cool
[10:01] <LaserJock> Burgwork: guess you just have to wait ;-) although I would have thought they would have announced it by now
[10:02] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I am more concerned about image\
[10:03] <LaserJock> Burgwork: yeah. Were you around when they decided? I didn't realize they voted on it already until Keybuk told me
[10:16] <LaserJock> mdke: I don't think the doc-base thing is going to work
[10:16] <LaserJock> mdke: at least not for dapper
[10:16] <mdke> LaserJock, ok, no worries! thanks for trying
[10:17] <LaserJock> mdke: basically all the viewer (dhelp, dwww, and doc-central) look for docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>
[10:18] <LaserJock> mdke: we would need to split up the individual docs into packages
[10:18] <mdke> whoosh
[10:18] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm not sure why this is required but it seems to be the case
[10:19] <mdke> ok, mark the bug as wontfix then, sounds like it is a lot harder than the advantages
[10:19] <LaserJock> the viewers are quite cool though
[10:19] <LaserJock> They might be something to look at in the future
[10:19] <mdke> unless enrico knows a bit more and can help
[10:19] <LaserJock> dhelp especially is nice
[10:20] <LaserJock> they are somewhat like yelp, except DE independent
[10:20] <mdke> cool
[10:20] <LaserJock> they can show man pages etc
[10:20] <robotgeek> LaserJock: where is this dhelp that you speak of?
[10:21] <LaserJock> robotgeek: it is a program apt-get it
[10:21] <robotgeek> awesome
[10:21] <LaserJock> they just use a browser and in the case of dwww and doc-central, apache
[10:22] <robotgeek> LaserJock: building yzis for now, will check it out as soon as that is done
[10:23] <LaserJock> If they could deal with our doc structure I think they would be quite cool
[10:24] <trappist> dhelp is uninstallable here.  dhelp_parse segfaults in postinst.
[10:24] <LaserJock> trappist: bummer, what arch?
[10:24] <trappist> i386
[10:25] <LaserJock> hmm, odd
[10:25] <trappist> Building HTML tree .../var/lib/dpkg/info/dhelp.postinst: line 45: 17355 Segmentation fault      /usr/sbin/dhelp_parse -r
[10:25] <LaserJock> I'm on i386
[10:25] <trappist> breezy or dapper?
[10:25] <LaserJock> dapper
[10:25] <trappist> ah, i'm on breezy
[10:25] <LaserJock> hmm, that is a problem in general ;-)
[10:26] <trappist> I'd try it on my dapper box but it's at home and there's an apt-get upgrade process waiting for me to say yes or something to
[10:26] <LaserJock> lol
[10:26] <LaserJock> that's why I keep a dapper chroot around
[10:27] <LaserJock> dwww or doc-central also should work, although they have more deps
[10:27] <trappist> I used to have that and a dapper vmware image but since I have a full on dapper box now, I figure it's just wasted space
[10:27] <robotgeek> LaserJock: you know about yzis? it embeds vim in every text editor
[10:27] <robotgeek> or alteast the keybindings :)
[10:27] <LaserJock> robotgeek: never heard of it, sounds viral ;-)
[10:28] <robotgeek> heh.
[10:28] <LaserJock> I'm still trying to figure out vim to start with
[10:29] <LaserJock> I'm trying to figure out how to use the xml ftplugin
[10:29] <trappist> ok dwww is cool.
[10:30] <mdke> Burgwork, ping
[10:30] <enrico> mdke: need help?
[10:30] <LaserJock> trappist: yeah, it is. I just can't figure out how to get the Ubuntu docs in there
[10:30] <mdke> enrico, LaserJock might need some help with the docbase thing, I'll leave it to him to explain
[10:30] <Burgwork> mdke, pong
[10:31] <enrico> mdke: ok
[10:31] <enrico> LaserJock: at your service
[10:31] <LaserJock> enrico: I made a couple doc-base control files and they work ok, except I can't view them with any viewer
[10:31] <LaserJock> enrico: basically I've tried dhelp, dwww, and doc-central
[10:32] <LaserJock> enrico: the problem seems to be that they only want docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>
[10:32] <LaserJock> enrico: where there is a <packagename> for each of our docs
[10:33] <LaserJock> enrico: but we ship the docs all in /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/
[10:33] <enrico> right
[10:34] <enrico> and apache only exports /usr/share/doc
[10:34] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:34] <enrico> I guess documents outside /usr/share/doc aren't viewable, unless you make symlinks
[10:34] <LaserJock> so I can see links to the docs, I just can't access them
[10:34] <enrico> LaserJock: you can try symlinking from /usr/share/ubuntu-docs into some place in /usr/share/doc
[10:35] <LaserJock> enrico: hmm, seems a bit hackish. let me see if it works
[10:36] <trappist> LaserJock: grep DWWW_DOCPATH /usr/share/dwww/functions.sh
[10:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:38] <trappist> LaserJock: you can set that in /etc/dwww/dwww.conf
[10:39] <LaserJock> trappist: yeah, but I don't feel like patching dwww
[10:39] <trappist> oh
[10:40] <LaserJock> I mean I can do it locally for sure. I'm just trying to figure out how we can ship it ;-)
[10:42] <LaserJock> sweet, symlink worked
[10:43] <LaserJock> now I wonder if I can convince dholbach to do the symlinks
[10:44] <enrico> LaserJock: I imagine it's easy to convince dholbach: symlinking documentation into /usr/share/doc makes a big lot of sense
[10:45] <LaserJock> enrico: ok, thanks for the suggestion. I'll talk him into it ;-)
[10:48] <enrico> LaserJock: you're welcome!
[10:50] <mdke> i can do the symlinks
[10:50] <mdke> if it's a good idea
[10:51] <mdke> LaserJock, actually you can do it too. see debian/links
[10:51] <LaserJock> mdke: yeah, I just wanted to make sure it was ok
[10:51] <LaserJock> it is a Main package after all
[10:52] <mdke> fair enough
[10:52] <LaserJock> mdke: ok, I'll get it all fixed today
[10:52] <mdke> ping daniel then :)
[10:52] <LaserJock> already got his approval ;-)
[10:52] <mdke> ah cool
[10:55] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm doing About Ubuntu, Ubuntu Desktop Guide, and Ubuntu Server Guide
[10:55] <LaserJock> mdke: Is that all that is planned for HTML?
[10:55] <mdke> we can ship anything html
[10:55] <LaserJock> I just download the .deb and looked at what HTML is currently shipped
[10:56] <LaserJock> that shouldn't change should it?
[10:56] <LaserJock> I guess the Packaging Guide could be shipped as HTML
[10:57] <jjesse> are you guys packaging the kubuntu docs as well ?
[10:59] <mdke> LaserJock, you can do the kubuntu docs too? should be easier because they are already under /usr/share/doc
[10:59] <LaserJock> jjesse: I haven't touched the kubuntu stuff much.
[10:59] <LaserJock> mdke: I can
[10:59] <jjesse> who packages those up?  riddell?
[10:59] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:59] <mdke> jjesse, did you not see my new package for kubuntu-docs?
[10:59] <jjesse> mdke: i haven't been at my desk all day, just got here to be honest
[10:59] <LaserJock> mdke: no
[11:00] <Kyral> When is the String Freeze?
[11:00] <jjesse> check out the dapper schedule, don't remember the link
[11:00] <jjesse> sorry :)
[11:00] <LaserJock> Kyral: wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule/Slewed
[11:00] <LaserJock> jjesse: don't worry, he does that all the time :)
[11:00] <jjesse> slewed was removed, it is just DapperReleaseSchedule
[11:00] <mdke> Kyral, but we will hope to make it earlier
[11:01] <Kyral> *shrug* Justed wanted to know how much time I had to grammer check tthings randomly
[11:01] <LaserJock> Kyral: not long, get to work!
[11:01] <LaserJock> ;-)
[11:01] <mdke> Kyral, 2 weeks maybe
[11:02] <Kyral> mkay
[11:02] <Kyral> Maybe I'll make a mockup for a hing about Xen
[11:03] <LaserJock> mdke: I haven't seen a kubuntu-docs packagage go by on dapper-changes in quite some time
[11:03] <Kyral> actually I need to go fold laundry...
[11:07] <mdke> LaserJock, maybe we should get an upload
[11:11] <LaserJock> mdke: looks like Feb 15th was the last
[11:13] <LaserJock> mdke: and there are a couple bugs open on it
[11:13] <LaserJock> mdke: I'll try to get the doc-base thing done an poke Riddell about it
[11:15] <mdke> bugs on kubuntu-docs?
[11:16] <mdke> oh those are well old
[11:17] <LaserJock> hmm, they are. I though one looked new. I was mistaken
[11:52] <LaserJock> trappist: ping?