[06:42] <olive> Hello here. Is there a musician who lives in France and who would appreciate to give an open concert in an Ubuntu Party in Paris?
[06:44] <olive> we have ~3000 visitors for each ubuntu party
[06:44] <olive> and we need to expand our concept
[14:17] <celesteh> hello, I'm a noob running ubuntu studio oneiric with GNOME 3 and, while it's quite nice, I think I want to go to a LTS. I'm really only interested in audio apps. Might it be better to run vanilla ubuntu with a real time kernel and several of the studio apps installed? Or is it better to install studiuo and then gnome?
[14:48] <ailo> celesteh, I would stick with oneiric if it's working well for you
[15:57] <holstein> celesteh: hey
[15:58] <holstein> really depends on your needs
[15:58] <holstein> the LTS version that is stable is 10.04, and that is what i am using
[15:58] <holstein> the upcoming release will also be an LTS
[15:58] <holstein> 12.04
[15:58] <holstein> we are planning on having a -lowlatency kernel included by default
[15:59] <holstein> very soon (hopefully) there will be no need for different kernels
[16:00] <holstein> feel free and do some testing/reporting with your specific hardware
[16:00] <holstein> this is what is happening upstream
[16:00] <holstein> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia#Realtime_kernel
[16:01] <holstein> olive: you should put that out on the mailing list as well


 When is it?
[02:58] <valorie> Nov. 3&4 according to the prospectus
[02:58] <valorie> how are you, @tsimonq2?
 Aw man, I'll be in Riga for the Ubuntu Summit or I'd totally join you
 I'm okay valorie :) how are you and yours?
[04:53] <valorie> very good! Just very busy
 If I wasn't busy it wouldn't feel right :)
[04:53] <valorie> I'm pres. of my genealogy society & VP of two others
[04:53] <valorie> for sure
 Nice! I've considered doing a test or something like that but am concerned about data mining.
[04:54] <valorie> DNA test you mean?
 How do you like it? Learn anything particularly interestingly?
 Yeah :)
[04:55] <valorie> well, I learn LOTS from DNA but I get the doubts about data mining
[04:55] <valorie> otoh what I do is data mining
[04:55] <valorie> doing research towards a book I'm starting
 I guess, where do you draw the line? I'd rather not have it end up in a government database :P
 Nice!
[04:56] <valorie> you are IN gov. databases
 It's always fascinated me how many descendents of Ghengis Khan there are...
 oh I'm sure they're watching XD
[04:56] <valorie> after going to India, they now have my iris scans
[04:56] <valorie> creepy
 ohhhhh that's right
 I almost forgot about the near-instant facial recognition :P
[04:57] <valorie> not sure which is worse - the gov. having the DNA, or the big corporations
[04:58] <valorie> but I'm all in anyway
 Is it mostly just categorization? How low-level does it go? Or is it mostly historical records and accounts?
[04:59] <valorie> well, I've been researching the records for many years, and finding cousins with whom I can collaborate
[05:00] <valorie> DNA gives evidence that we're barking up the right tree, so to speak
[05:00] <valorie> but people locate unknown parents etc. as well
 I'd imagine some of those records can be quite difficult to obtain
[05:01] <valorie> it's quite fascinating science
[05:01] <valorie> sure, what's online is a drop in the bucket
[05:01] <valorie> but the more ya research, the more you find
[05:01] <valorie> and there are lots of great archives, etc.
 My mom has a large book full of The Family Tree, I wonder if that's ever been digitized/recorded elsewhere
[05:02] <valorie> possibly yes
[05:02] <valorie> Wisconsin has an amazing collection
 We need to catch up one of these times at LFNW (or similar) :)
[05:03] <valorie> we had the head archivist speak to our society in June
 Oh wow!
[05:03] <valorie> Early American stuff - it's called the Draper Collection
[05:05] <valorie> zoom etc makes everyone accessible to everyone now
[05:05] <valorie> we have a member who attends from Aus.
 Certainly - interesting stuff. Austin?
[05:05] <valorie> pretty damn cool
 Whoops, probably Australia, heh
[05:05] <valorie> no, Australia
[05:05] <valorie> lol
[05:06] <valorie> I don't think we have an Texans who attend regularly, but all around the country
[05:06] <valorie> including Wis.
 How many members usually?
 I'd imagine more than a few at that rate
[05:08] <valorie> lower in the summer -- about 20 to 30
[05:09] <valorie> up to 50 for the almost weekly meetings, and more than that for speakers every month
 That's pretty cool - lots of experts?
[05:09] <valorie> I lead a lot of the meets, which is why I'm so busy
[05:09] <valorie> everybody has their own expertise and experience
[05:09] <valorie> just like here...
[05:10] <valorie> I've always wanted to make sense of my family which is what draws me to it
[05:10] <valorie> plus the solve the mystery aspect
[05:13] <valorie> plus it's super cool to see how the family is part of history
[05:14] <valorie> it's lovely to talk with you again
[05:14]  * valorie heads back to yo-yo ma on the TV machine
 For sure :) take care valorie, keep me posted


[00:19] <CarlFK> ok  - now that I filed a bug report, lets see about setting audio.  focal - pavucontrol says  Port: hdmi/displayport (unplugged)
[00:52] <jiqiren> is there a way I can keep tar from impacting current filesystem cache? I basically impact performance of a DB when unpacking large tar files by blowing the vfs cache
[00:58] <sarnold> jiqiren: try ionice -3 tar xf ...
[00:58] <nacelle> why does the installer updater do one package at a time?  its terribly slow.
[00:58] <sarnold> jiqiren: (not all IO schedulers support the IO classes)
[00:59] <jiqiren> sarnold: i thought that just changed the disk priority - not VFS ejecting other files from cache?
[00:59] <sarnold> jiqiren: another possibility is the eatmydata program; it'd probably prevent all the sync calls that tar is probably making while writing out files. It'll possible leave all those files / directories in an unsafe state if the system crashes while unpacking the tar, though, so it's not for everything
[00:59] <sarnold> jiqiren: indeed, it's io priority only
[01:01] <sarnold> jiqiren: there's an madvise(2) syscall that can be added to programs to hint to the OS how some mapped address space is going to be used, but it can't just be LD_PRELOADED in place like the eatmydata tool..
[01:06] <jiqiren> sarnold: thanks for the input. i've not heard of eatmydata. taking a look now
[01:14] <rfm> jiqiren, I think this is one of the things cgroups are supposed to do.  I found this stackexchange that talks a little about how to do it.   Note systemd creates cgroups called "slices" for lots of stuff ("systemctl status" shows them) so maybe set  memory.limit-in-bytes for the user doing the tar?
[01:16] <rfm> jiqiren, note I have never ever done this, but I've always looked at those slices in systemctl status and thought there must be something cool to do with them...
[01:20] <rfm> jiqiren, oops forgot the link to the stackexchange i found: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/555080/using-cgroup-to-limit-program-memory-as-its-running
[02:17] <Starship8014> I am getting "The following packages have been kept back" when i do "apt-get upgrade". I already googled how I can install these packages... However, I am still wondering what caused this? Why are packages kept back?
[02:39] <tomreyn> Starship8014: usually, that's a result of either (a) not running   sudo apt update   before you try to install pending upgrades or new software or (b) adding incompatible apt repositories, such as repositories for other ubuntu releases or other linux distributions. or just badly maintained ones. or both, or all of it.
[02:41] <tomreyn> if    sudo apt update    runs without any errors or warnings, run    sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999    to share a list of your configured apt repositories.
[03:05] <dsj2> Hi. I've worked with linux for years, new to Ubuntu. I see what looks like the result of a sorting bug in /boot
[03:05] <dsj2> vmlinuz-5.10.0-1014-oem
[03:05] <dsj2> vmlinuz-5.4.0-71-generic
[03:05] <dsj2> vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-5.4.0-71-generic
[03:05] <dsj2> vmlinuz.old -> vmlinuz-5.10.0-1014-oem
[03:06] <dsj2> Is it normal for  vmlinuz.old to point at a newer kernel?
[03:08] <dsj2> Ok, so I need more coffee. The date on the 5.4 kernel is newer than the one on the 5.10 kernel.
[03:10] <dsj2> I'm still mystified about the version numbers, unless it has something to do with long-term kernels.
[03:11] <Bashing-om> !hwe | dsj2
[03:13] <guiverc> dsj2, Ubuntu backports security fixes to the supported kernels ; 5.4 is the upstream kernel, the test of the detail are ubuntu details relating to patch level (etc, generic/oem should be self-explanatory)
[03:13] <guiverc> s/test/rest of the detail/
[03:48] <The_Fallen> hello :-)
[03:50] <The_Fallen> is this an active channel?
[04:57] <jiqiren> rfm: thanks - I'm looking at the stackexchange link now
[06:45] <ducasse> morning
[07:05] <rnat2> How to safely install ubuntu with windows 10(preinstalled) for UEFI
[07:06] <rnat2> precautions that i need to take
[07:06] <rnat2> its a new laptop so no data as such to backup other than windows OS
[07:10] <ducasse> you should be able to free up some space from windows and just install
[07:10] <rnat2> will the installer automatically take care of efi partition
[07:10] <rnat2> i have never did uefi dual boot
[07:11] <rory> yes it will, make sure the Windows is cleanly shut down
[07:11] <ducasse> it will just add the ubuntu bootloader
[07:11] <rnat2> ok
[07:11] <rory> Windows won't "know" it's being dual booted, just like normal
[07:12] <rnat2> ok
[07:14] <rnat2> Can anyone share the output of "fdisk -l" for UEFI dual boot reference, apologies for the trouble
[07:28] <Piraty> does ubuntu use dracut for initramfs generation?
[07:29] <TheBigK02> https://paste.debian.net/1193451/
[07:30] <TheBigK02> rnat2: https://paste.debian.net/1193451/
[07:32] <rnat2> TheBigK02: Thanks a lot :)
[07:32] <TheBigK02> rnat2: np
[07:34] <TheBigK02> Piraty: not by default i would assume since its not installed for me
[08:02] <Piraty> TheBigK02: what else?
[08:02] <TheBigK02> Piraty: mkinitramfs ?
[08:08] <Piraty> thanks
[08:55] <oblakhh> Hello everybody. Are there any news when ESM will be available for 16.04? Website states "April 21". Would like to prep my servers.
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> !esm | oblakhh
[09:33] <cbreak> oblakhh: is prepping the servers by upgrading to 20.04 an option? :)
[09:35] <tangarora_> Reposting since its for servers and desktop: Hi guys! Hey, I was just installing an ubuntu VDI via qemu-kvm wiht the location=http://... to the ubuntu repo. Works fine, but they were saying that debian installer is deprecated??
[09:40] <Piraty> tangarora_: debian is deprecated by design
[09:41] <tangarora_> Piraty: haw haw haw! :) good onw!
[09:44] <Piraty> you know it's true
[09:47] <bencc1> I've installed updates on ubuntu 20.04 and couldn't login. after few restarts I'm able to login but the screen flashes when I drag windows
[09:47] <bencc1> is this a known issue? anything I can do?
[09:51] <tangarora_> benccl: sounds like a driver issue... usin Nvidia? If so the uninstall and re install, should do the trick. Dont forget to reboot between.
[09:52] <tangarora_> and mak susre to login with X and not the other thing...
[09:55] <bencc1> tangarora: not nvideia integrated intel gpu
[09:57] <tangarora_> benccl: then I would suggest booting to the install media: usb/cd/dvd and chsck that it works correctly so you are not dealing with a hardware issue. How old is the hw?
[09:59] <bencc1> tangarora: the hardware is only 7 years old :)
[10:00] <bencc1> but it worked fine before apt-get install which installed a new kernel
[10:02] <tangarora_> hw is tricky... 7 years is well enough to have problems... check out https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup to see what computers look like inside after a while.
[10:02] <tangarora_> Problems can even be intermittent...
[10:03] <bencc1> it's not hw issue
[10:03] <tangarora_> so check using boot media that it really is a config issue.
[10:03] <bencc1> it's something related to recent package update
[10:03] <bencc1> thanks
[10:03] <bencc1> good suggestion
[10:04] <tangarora_> Yes that is the latest think you did with is usually a good clue; but using the processs of elimination can save you time; I promise.
[10:07] <rhagu> Hi, I installed a minimal ubuntu 20.04 server image in a VM, removed netplan and set up systemd-networkd with DHCP option. I was able to connect to the machine via ssh und the hostname. It looks like the dhcp option made sure my router would make sure the resolution works. I then changed the dhcp setup to a static IP setup, but now the hostname resolution doesnt work anymore. Does someone know what I may have to do to get it working?
[10:21] <oblakhh> @cbreak not in this case. it's a rather complex xetup that will be torn down within the next 12 months. I'd clearly prefer to stick with the current setup. Commercial UA subscription is present. Just no info yet.
[10:22] <TheBigK02> rhagu: u need to tell the dhcp server that it should update the hostname in the dns...
[10:22] <tangarora> BTW: my favourite PC (due to the keyboard) is my old Lenovo T400 (12 years old). It still works incredibly well...
[10:23] <rhagu> TheBigK02 thanks for your answer, so I guess there is nothing I can do locally
[10:23] <TheBigK02> rhagu: i dont understand ... locally ?
[10:24] <rhagu> TheBigK02 like restarting systemd-resolved
[10:25] <TheBigK02> the thing is... u want to tell ur dhcp server that u set ur IP manually....
[10:25] <TheBigK02> rhagu: im pretty sure u can say in systemd-networkd a static ip over the dhcp client... and tell the dhcp server ur hostname
[10:26] <TheBigK02> rhagu: thats how i do it with my raspberrypi ... but i use dhcpcd ... so i dont know how to do it with systemd-networkd
[10:27] <rhagu> TheBigK02 thats alright, I think I best go with a static IP all the way from the initial setup to the end configuration
[10:27] <oblakhh> @ubottu thanks for pointing out. We have an active subscription but canonical is not responding, when exactly ESM will be available for 16.04. It's less that 20 days until the end of LTS. I'd clearly like to know when exable ESM will becoma available. Otherwise May 1st will be quite busy here... it's a comm problem.
[10:27] <TheBigK02> rhagu: thats up to u :)
[10:28] <TheBigK02> rhagu: but in times of ipv6... manual ip configuration seems outdated :p
[10:29] <rhagu> I want to set up a dhcp server on those machines and thought about going with an initial dhcp server from my router and then switching over as the minimal image does all the cloudinit stuff, but I guess I need to look into working with static IP from the start, IPv6 will be another topic entirely
[10:36] <alf1975> Problems with Mcrae Dirt and Wine ? any ideas ?
[10:37] <TheBigK02> alf1975: i use steam for those things... its way easier that way... :p
[10:39] <EriC^^> alf1975: try asking in #wine-hq as well
[10:40] <EriC^^> sorry i mean #winehq
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:37] <DJones> lo BluesKaj
[12:37] <DJones> had to get in the Hi/Lo :)
[12:37] <BluesKaj> hi DJones
[12:37] <BluesKaj> heh
[12:38] <tangarora> so does anyone have the actual guide to installing ubuntu if no with the debian installer?
[12:39] <tangarora> Direct from the repo in kvm?
[12:39] <DJones> !install | tangarora Have you looked at this:-
[12:42] <DJones> tangarora: Looking at backscroll, its quite a while since you posted your original question, so you may need to repeat it with as much detail of the issue you;ve got
[13:09] <atal> Hello Everyone! Anyone knows how to create dialog box inside the initrd?
[13:09] <atal> I am getting `Error opening terminal : linux`
[13:10] <atal> Any suggestions please?
[13:16] <Starship8014> tomreyn thanks for your feedback. i dont really understand this command. is it safe to run? sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:17] <Starship8014> i mean... nc? isnt that opening doors to my server?
[13:18] <Starship8014> when i run apt-get upgrade, i get The following packages have been kept back: linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> Starship8014: tomreyn is prob afk right now, it seems that this command is just informative to be able to help you and see more info about your sources.list
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> Starship8014: maybe its good to re-ask your original question into the channel so volunteers can pickup where you left last time
[13:20] <Starship8014> alright :)
[13:20] <Starship8014> when connecting to my ubuntu server (use it as a webserver), i am greeted with "8 updates can be installed immediately."
[13:20] <TJ-> Starship8014: the 'nc' part is you sending the text to a pastebin where we can see it
[13:21] <Starship8014> apt-get update does go through but the message "8 updates can be... " stays
[13:21] <Starship8014> TJ- thanks
[13:22] <leftyfb> Starship8014: sudo apt full-upgrade
[13:22] <Starship8014> so after that, i ran apt-get upgrade
[13:23] <Starship8014> leftyfb, thanks. this does potentially remove incompatible packages like apt get dist-upgrade does, right?
[13:24] <leftyfb> Starship8014: "apt-get dist-upgrade" = "apt full-upgrade"
[13:24] <bencc1> recent kernel update cause issues with my intel embedded igpu
[13:24] <Starship8014> alright, i am scared of that :D
[13:24] <Starship8014> hmm
[13:24] <bencc1> choosing previous kernel in grub advance menu works
[13:24] <leftyfb> Starship8014: scared of what?
[13:24] <bencc1> will it break on next kernel upgrade?
[13:25] <Starship8014> performing such "potentially breaking" update on my production server
[13:25] <leftyfb> bencc1: what version of ubuntu and which kernel are you running?
[13:26] <bencc1> leftyfb: ubuntu 20.04 desktop. bad kernel: linux-image-5.8.0-49-generic. good kernel: linux-image-5.8.0-48-generic
[13:26] <leftyfb> !bug | bencc1 maybe file a bug report then
[13:27] <bencc1> thanks
[13:27] <bencc1> so why did you asked about my version? :)
[13:27] <leftyfb> bencc1: to determine if your kernel was the latest available for the release
[13:27] <bencc1> it is
[13:28] <bencc1> if I'll upgrade the kernel in few weeks from now, will I be able to install the old kernel again?
[13:29] <leftyfb> bencc1: that depends on what the issue is. Filing a bug might help track that down with the kernel developers
[13:29] <bencc1> your answer is unrelated to my question
[13:29] <bencc1> thanks anyway
[13:30] <Starship8014> ok i went with sudo apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade
[13:31] <remline> bencc1: 5.8.0-48 will remain installed on your system unless you remove it (e.g., via apt autoremove). You can mark 5.8.0-48 as manually installed if you want to prevent 'apt autoremove' from uninstalling it.
[13:33] <bencc1> remline: thanks. I'll make sure I don't use autoremove and will search how to manually keep it.
[14:34] <pikapika> Does ubuntu plan to go wayland in future? Will x11 still be available to install if it does?
[14:35] <vincenzoml> hello, yesterday we had an interesting conversation with cbreak on zfs
[14:38] <vincenzoml> I am willing to test it but I want to know, how do I make sure I'll always be able to delete files when it fills up? I believe I just have to keep a file of say, 1gb on the hard drive and eventually truncate it
[14:38] <vincenzoml> and then there will be 1gb free no matter what
[14:39] <vincenzoml> also how to make periodic snapshots? With btrfs I use snapper, which makes me hourly snapshots in the last day, then deletes some of them so that I have 1 daily snapshot for the last week and 1 weekly for the last month. Does zfs have an equivalent setup?
[14:50] <gladoscc> My NVMe drives are extremely slow, and seems locked to 10MB/s and 10IOPs. I suspect it's stuck in the wrong APM (power management) level.
[14:50] <gladoscc> I know for HDDs, I can use 'hdparm -B 254 /dev/sdX' to change the APM setting. But that only works for SATA protocols, and not NVME protocols.
[14:50] <gladoscc> On ubuntu, how can I change the APM setting for a NVMe? I tried googling for 10 mins, cannot find anything about nvmes.
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | pikapika
[14:52] <pikapika> lotuspsychje, it is a support related question. Lots of things would stop working if we go wayland.
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: its not, its a poll
[14:53] <leftyfb> pikapika: it's also not a topic for any currently released version of ubuntu. Feel free to /join #ubuntu+1 to discuss unreleased versions of ubuntu
[14:57] <superschnell> Can you install a package from Bionic on Hirsute?
[14:57] <superschnell> It appears the package I want is only available for Bionic
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> superschnell: snaps or !pinning
[14:59] <leftyfb> !ubuntu+1 | superschnell
[15:15] <superschnell> lotuspsychje: thanks
[15:21] <ubuntutr> hi
[15:21] <ubuntutr> journalctl -f | grep postfix https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dq9DkcpXPb/
[15:31] <xamanu> Hi, can you help me on how to get the wiki page about me deleted?
[15:32] <xamanu> It says it is an immutable page... :( But I would like to clean it.
[15:32] <xamanu> It contains personal and partially inaccurate information about me, that I no longer would like to have on it.
[15:32] <xamanu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/xamanu
[15:34] <leftyfb> xamanu: you click the login link and login
[15:34] <leftyfb> xamanu: then you should be able to edit it
[15:35] <xamanu> I logged in and I'm not allowed to do anything with the site. the "delete" part is grayed out.
[15:36] <leftyfb> xamanu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/xamanu?action=edit&editor=text
[15:36] <xamanu> > You are not allowed to edit this page.
[15:36] <xamanu> (I'm logged in as xamanu)
[15:38] <leftyfb> xamanu: try asking for help in #ubuntu-website
[15:38] <xamanu> leftyfb, thanks
[15:43] <malmalmal> Hello there. I have an ubuntu desktop 20.04.20 running on a VBox VM. I did not gave it enough HDD space during installation, so I extended the Virtual HDD on vbox. Now Ubuntu sees about 10GB of free space, not partitioned.
[15:44] <malmalmal> I assumed that to resize my main partition I had to run the live CD, so I can work on it unmounted. And so I did. Now, when I try to resize what I think is the main partition, it seems to mount it, but leaves it unresized.
[15:44] <malmalmal> I am a bit confused
[15:44] <leftyfb> malmalmal: https://www.howtogeek.com/114503/how-to-resize-your-ubuntu-partitions/
[15:45] <leftyfb> malmalmal: it needs to be unmounted
[15:45] <malmalmal> Thanks, sure, I know, that is why I booted from Live cd
[15:46] <leftyfb> malmalmal: just make sure it's unmounted and try again
[15:49] <malmalmal> I am using gparted instead of disks, as in the url you send
[15:50] <malmalmal> YEah that worked. But I am 100%sure the partition was unmmounted, because it was mounting it instead of resizing, and I had to unmount and re-try a couple of times. Gparted worked.
[15:50] <malmalmal> thanks
[15:50] <cbreak> victorbrca: if you want, you can create a dataset with a reservation.
[15:51] <cbreak> sorry, auto complete failure :( vincenzoml
[17:45] <explore> my apologies if this is actually a linux question but i couldn't join cus using irccloud i think, backgground: i have a ubuntu server home server, and there are usb drives attached to it, all my files on the usb HDD, and i think  all file system are linux (ext4?) i need to move to a new city, i was thinking about just bringing the usb drives and leaving the computer, but my question is, if i were to  leave the computer
[17:45] <explore> and the system disk, would i be able to access all those files on the usb drives? since the file permission i guess is tied to the system driive? no?
[17:47] <explore> or is it like, if i move the ext4-formatted usb drives to a new system, i can over-write all the file permissions of every file to tie to users on the new linux system?
[17:47] <sarnold> explore: the file owners and directory owners are assigned *numbers*, eg root is 0, the first user on ubuntu systems is 1000, etc
[17:48] <sarnold> explore: when you plug those filesystems into the new computer, they'll use the *numbers* of the old system, but the system will be assigning numbers based on the /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd files
[17:49] <sarnold> explore: if you've got a typical single-user-computer with just you using the account created during installation, it'll probably work fine with no trouble. if you've got multiple users on bother systems, you may need to go to some effort to modify the file and directory owners
[18:08] <nunya> applications sometimes shown as open in panel even after closed ps -a doesn't show the application as open. I've Googled a bunch and found the opposite case but no fix for my pronlem. Can anyone help?
[18:11] <leftyfb> nunya: are you sure you didn't accidentally add them to the panel a pinned/favorites/whatever?
[18:12] <style> Hi. I'm trying to install canonical-livepatch and I'm getting this error: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/GzHHy33tSn/ . snap version https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/PkVnv2fCHN/ . I can provide more infos if needed. I run Ubuntu 18.04 on an OpenVZ from Ramnode. i'm asking in here because i'v searched lots of community posts and haven't got it fixed.
[18:13] <nunya> leftyfb: No I didn't add them to panel. Also if I try to move it from panel it removes the app next to it from panel. So it's just some kind of ghost.
[18:15] <sarnold> style: check dmesg? maybe there's more detailed errors there
[18:15] <nunya> leftyb: It happens randomly, or at least I can't find a pattern and reproduce the problem
[18:16] <explore> sarnold: thankies muchhly for the heads up
[18:17] <nunya> leftyb: If I logout it will be gone.
[18:18] <sabasedigh> Hello I am on ubuntu *focal* 64bit and having problem installing mpv from ppa:mc3man/mpv-tests repo
[18:18] <explore> sarnold: do i do this effortful modifying of file and directory ownership on the old pc or after the move on the new pc?
[18:19] <sabasedigh> I get this error https://paste.ee/p/uD8lO
[18:19] <sabasedigh> mpv install error ^^
[18:19] <sabasedigh> could anyone take a look please.
[18:20] <sabasedigh> I don't remember installing mpv had this much hassle.
[18:21] <sarnold> explore: I'd do it on the new machine -- but it might be very helpful to store a copy of the /etc/passwd from the old machine onto the drives, so you can find those mappings :)
[18:21] <lordcirth__> sabasedigh, PPAs are not supported here. Sounds like this one is not built correctly for focal.
[18:22] <sarnold> sabasedigh: many of those packages are in universe, does your system have universe enabled?
[18:22] <sabasedigh> lordcirth__ so if not ppa then what?
[18:23] <lordcirth> !info mpv focal
[18:23] <lordcirth> It's already in repos. sarnold has a good point about universe not being enabled
[18:26] <sabasedigh> sarnold lordcirth thanks wasn't enabled
[18:26] <sarnold> \o/
[18:26] <lordcirth> How does that happen, anyway? I don't remember it happening to me
[18:31] <sarnold> I think it's a question during the installer
[18:34] <nunya> testing beep to alert when I get a reply
[18:38] <sabasedigh> what should I install to be able to set screen dpi?
[18:43] <nunya> leftyb:I kept right clicking and choosing close until Cinnamon crashed. I got a message asking to restart Cinnamon. Clicked yes, ghost application gone from panel. Googled how to restart Cinnamon from command line pkill -HUP -f "cinnamon --replace" Problem solved.
[18:46] <Maik> nunya: is that Ubuntu with Cinnamon added to it you're talking about?
[18:47] <nunya> Maik: Yes
[18:47] <Maik> ok, just to make sure.
[18:49] <nunya> Maik: I know it's usually with Mint but as I was trying diffent environments and desktop managers Cinnamon did what I wanted. Maybe that's why it glitches sometimes being designed for Mint.
[18:50] <Maik> nunya: could also be possibile you were running the unofficial Ubuntu Cinnamon Remix
[18:50] <Maik> that's why i asked :)
[18:52] <nunya> Maik:Not sure which version or repository used to get it. Mostly does what I want. Occasional annoyances but no major problems.
[18:53] <nunya> Maik:Just out of curiosity, how would I know if it's  unofficial Ubuntu Cinnamon Remix?
[18:54] <leftyfb> nunya: apt-cache policy cinnamon-core
[18:54] <leftyfb> nunya: please pastebin the output
[18:55] <Maik> nunya: if you told us you downloaded a iso of  Ubuntu Cinnamon Remix and installed that.
[18:55] <Maik> but that's offtopic chatter, my bad
[18:56] <nunya> Maik: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KvtgsFrtWZ/
[18:57] <nunya> Maik: Pretty sure I got it through Software Center.
[18:58] <Maik> uhm... why you keep highlighting me? I didn't ask for that pastebin
[18:58] <nunya> Maik: Sorry that was for leftyb
[18:58] <nunya> leftyb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KvtgsFrtWZ/
[18:59] <leftyfb> nunya: looks like you don't have it installed?
[18:59] <nunya> leftyb: Well it sur restarts when I give it the command
[19:00] <leftyfb> nunya: my guess is you didn't install cinnamon from officially supported means
[19:02] <nunya> leftyb: It works well enough for me not to mess with it. It feels like having a favorite tea cup with a slight chip in it. Just have to drink from the other side.
[19:03] <leftyfb> nunya: just understand it's not supported here
[19:05] <nunya> leftyb: Ok so you're saying you don't ever want to help with Ubuntu with Cinnamon?
[19:06] <Maik> If it's installed from PPA's or deb files from outside the official Ubuntu repo's then not
[19:06] <nunya> Fine I'm outta here!
[19:12] <nunya> leftyb: It turns out when I searched in Synaptic that the maintainers are Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I think that's an official source for Cinnamon but I am missing cinnamon-core. Going to install it. Sorry for getting my panties in a wad.
[19:13] <Maik> no worries
[19:13] <leftyfb> nunya: you might want to first find out how you first installed it and remove that first. Installing from apt over whatever manner you gad before could have dire consequences
[19:14] <nunya> leftyb: hopefully install cinnamon-core will improve things and not make it worse. Unfortunately I have had that experience with other applications trying to update or upgrade.
[19:15] <leftyfb> nunya: also, installing cinnamon-core is not the only step to installing the cinnamon desktop environment
[19:16] <nunya> leftyb: I have no idea how I installed cinnamon
[19:17] <leftyfb> nunya: neither do we. You'll have to look through your shell history or system logs or web browser history.
[19:18] <leftyfb> nunya: or you could just reinstall ubuntu
[19:18] <Maik> leftyfb: sudo apt install cinnamon doesn't seem to pull in cinnamon-core
[19:18] <nunya> leftyb:from a year ago or more
[19:18] <leftyfb> Maik: nope, but cinnamon-desktop-environment does
[19:19] <Maik> ah, ok. good to know. Thanks
[19:20] <nunya> lefty: no way I'm reistalling Ubuntu. I didn't like the file or desktop management very much before adding Cinnamon.
[19:23] <nunya> leftyb: It looks like I have everything Cinnamon except cinnamon-core and cinnamon-environment. What if I install those and mark to install dependencies? Is there a way to make a restore point in that screws evrything up?
[19:24] <alf1975> Ubuntu Update is made by UPDATE software servers ???? I did a geoiiplookup and it's not correct what they say ...
[19:24] <leftyfb> alf1975: what is your support question?
[19:27] <alf1975> simple
[19:27] <alf1975> how do you sell a product when you don't defend the virus problems ???
[19:27] <leftyfb> alf1975: This is a support channel. Trolling is offtopic here.
[19:29] <alf1975> folks are tired of virus and problems with Windows
[19:29] <leftyfb> !ot | alf1975
[19:35] <Maik> leftyfb: i told him a couple of time to take it elsewhere. Either he doesn't understand or doesn't want to listen. I also pointed him to the Spanish ubuntu channel
[19:35] <Maik> that's three days in a row now
[19:36] <ioria> maybe portugal channel
[19:36] <Maik> #ubuntu-es should do
[19:37] <Maik> he's also posting and cross posting in #kubuntu and #lubuntu
[19:38] <cipherboy> Maik: And #fedora...
[19:40] <Maik> cipherboy: thought so since he copy/pastes a lot of things from other channel where he asked the same questions.  And ignoring doesn't always work. The ops should pay more attention to such users. But i'll leave it at that, we're going offtopic here.
[19:46] <cipherboy> Regarding LVM snapshotting, is there a way to see progress/estimated completion of a snapshot merge? `dmsetup status` shows some info but I'm not sure where I'd find the info of what the status lines mean and I'm not convinced it is relevant to the progress of the merge.
[19:47] <cbreak> LVM snapshots support merging? :O wonder how that deals with merge conflicts
[19:48] <cipherboy> cbreak: I'm new to LVM snapshots so I'm not sure if that's the right terminology but the command is `lvconvert --merge` so I called it merging :)
[19:48] <cbreak> I don't know lvm at all
[19:48] <cbreak> I know zfs, and snapshots on it can't be merged
[19:48] <cbreak> if you have a branch in history, those lines will stay forked
[19:49]  * cipherboy glances over at the ZFS system running next to me :D
[19:51] <cbreak> wonder how it deals with merge conflicts
[19:55] <nunya> leftyb: I installed cinnamon-core and cinnamon-desktop-environment plus a couple others with cinnamon in the name. everything seems tobe running fine after a reboot. Hopefully that fixes glitchy stuff. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/364BvMvyNV/
[19:56] <nunya> leftyb: Thanks for your help!
[19:57] <cipherboy> cbreak: I think my understanding of the command is that it behaves opposite of a ZFS snapshot? I think "merge" is ultimately the wrong word, but from my limited understanding, `lvcreate --merge /path/to/snapshot` actually _undoes_ the snapshot... the snapshot stores the delta of changes from $CURRENT_BASE and so after snapshotting, the base remains unchanged and all changes are written into the
[19:58] <cipherboy> snapshot. If you end up wanting to keep the changes (and reclaim the space of the snapshot), you have to do more hand-waving IIUC.
[19:58] <ash_worksi> can someone help me over in #ubuntu-discuss?
[19:58] <cbreak> oh, interesting, so it's more like a rollback
[19:58] <Maik> !patience | ash_worksi
[19:58] <cipherboy> cbreak: It took me a while to understand coming from a ZFS world. :)
[19:59] <cbreak> reminds me again why I don't need to bother leaving zfs world
[19:59] <cipherboy> cbreak: if you're curious I would NOT recommend experimenting on a root partition and suggest you use a throwaway VM with a non-root partition :P
[19:59] <cbreak> I've been using alpha versions of ZFS on Mac OS with encryption on my production system (here at home), I don't need a vm to test things!
[20:00] <cbreak> (and I didn't even lose any data, I had backups .... phew ... :D)
[20:00] <ash_worksi> Maik: just seems like maybe people don't really look at the discuss channel unless it's brought to their attention
[20:00] <nunya> Maik: Thank you too! You also helped point in the right direction for workaround if Cinnamon gets weird on me.
[20:00] <ash_worksi> which is understandable since it's not nearly as active
[20:02] <Maik> nunya: you're welcome :)
[20:02] <nunya> Have a good day!
[20:02] <Maik> ash_worksi: discuss isn't a support channel
[20:02] <HaJones> what is the difference between kernel 'linux-image-5.4.0-70-lowlatency' and 'linux-image-unsigned-5.4.0-70-lowlatency'?
[20:03] <ash_worksi> Maik: right, that's why it's understandable :)
[20:03] <Firefishe> I'm having a compiling problem.  The pastebin has the make command error, followed by the section of the Makefile with the line-in-question.  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pBTSqFFmGS/
[20:03] <TJ-> HaJones: 'unsigned' doesn't have cryptographically signed files (think EFI Secure Boot chain)
[20:06] <HaJones> TJ-, so then I should not use unsigned when I use a EFI partition?
[20:07] <HaJones> HaJones, I think I disabled certificates in the bios. but I do not remember.
[20:08] <TJ-> HaJones: you can use unsigned if not using Secure Boot --- Secure Boot can cause problems for out-of-tree kernel modules such as for nvidia GPUs, some Broadcom wifi/bluetooth chipsets, etc.
[20:09] <HaJones> TJ- out-of-tree do you mean even if a kernel is signed I can have problems with 3:rd party modules?
[20:10] <TJ-> HaJones: especially then since, unless you set up to self-sign with a Machine Owners Key (MOK) nvidia.ko would not be allowed to load when using Secure Boot since it wouldn't have a valid signature
[20:11] <TJ-> HaJones: the default kernel images and modules are all signed by Canonical at build-time; the -unsigned- packages contain those same files without signatures attached
[20:14] <HaJones> TJ-ok thanks. I run 5.40.0-71 kernel and want a low latency for audio work, is it not best to use the 5.4.0-70-lowlatecy since they are close?
[20:15] <HaJones> I did not find the 5.40.0-71-lowlatency
[20:16] <wasutton3> does anyone here have a usb to 7.1 audio card? I'm looking for ones based on the CM6206. I'm specifically looking to see if the iSerial attribute is properly implemented so that I can connect two of them to one system and differentiate between the two of them reliably
[20:17] <TJ-> HaJones: I'd always use the -lowlatency variants for anything desktop! However, I see "linux-image-unsigned-5.4.0-71-lowlatency" --- try a "sudo apt update" and re-check
[20:21] <HaJones> TJ- so since I have the genereic -71 I should use the -71 low latency as well?
[20:22] <Firefishe> What is the replacement command for gksu since bionic?
[20:23] <TJ-> HaJones: the -71 iteration number isn't important - that increments on each build/release
[20:24] <HaJones> TJ- so I could use any kernel 5.4.0?
[20:25] <HaJones> or how do I choose?
[20:25] <HaJones> which to install?
[20:26] <rfm> Firefishe, pkexec may be what you're looking for
[20:26] <Firefishe> rfm:  What is that?
[20:28] <Firefishe> rfm:  I answered my own question.
[20:31] <rfm> Firefishe, great
[20:32] <TJ-> HaJones: the usual answer is 'the latest' since each iteration contains bug-fixes
[20:32] <Firefishe> rfm:  I typed in "pkexec <appname>" and the graphical authentication window appeared.  I typed in my super user password, and I got the error.  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5C6Hf477H5/
[20:33] <cipherboy> If I set DNSStubListener=no in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf (to avoid a clash with dnsmasq) and I've statically set dns server via /etc/netplan/... why is <IP_ADDRESS> still the only dns resolver listed in /etc/resolv.conf (and its link'd /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf) .... shouldn't systemd-resolved handle the symlink switch?
[20:34] <cipherboy> (this is after both reboot and systemctl restart systemd-resolved on 20.04).
[20:34] <HaJones> TJ- ok thanks :)
[20:38] <TJ-> Firefishe: when using sudo/pkexec the password required is your user password not the 'root' password, if that is what you meant by "super user password"
[20:39] <rfm> Firefishe, just looking at the message I guess pkexec cleans up the environment (in this case the $DISPLAY variable)  Probably because many people think GUI programs shouldn't run as root because of the attack surface
[20:39] <tangarora> Does anyone have the actual guide to installing ubuntu if no with the debian installer (preseed)? The Ubuntu download no complains that the mini install using the debian installer is deprecated. I want to fins a complete guide to using the alternative whatever it is? Anyone know where to find this?
[20:39] <Firefishe> TJ-: I meant user password.  Do I have to use "sudo pkexec <appname>" as the syntax?
[20:39] <tangarora> The instaler site focus on making boot disks and the gui installer... manual stuff...
[20:40] <tangarora> preseeding is well documented... but no ubuntu.
[20:40] <rfm> Firefishe, you might be able to work around by "pkexec jpilot -display $DISPLAY" or somesuch
[20:40] <Firefishe> rfm:  I wonder why gksu was eliminated.  It worked just fine.
[20:40] <tangarora> I heard sumors about a yaml based install instruction file for newer ubunt but have not found any good docs at all...
[20:41] <tangarora> gksy is not needed anymore.
[20:41] <tangarora> gksu
[20:42] <tangarora> put this in a UID=0 if statement: pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY ${0}
[20:42] <Firefishe> tangarora: Well, when trying to run a specific application as root, it was a quick and easy way to do so.  I mean, I *can* just do "sudo <appname>" from the command line--and it does work for me in this case--but that was, as I recall, the proper way to run a gui-based app from the CLI.
[20:42] <tangarora> so instead of gksu you use pkexec
[20:43] <tangarora> pkexec appname
[20:43] <Firefishe> tangarora: If you follow the pastebin link above in my last lines, I did that, and got an error.
[20:43] <tangarora> ah ok
[20:44] <tangarora> If you do mine it shold work regardless... even on suse... : pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY jpilot
[20:44] <tangarora> HOWEVER sometimes you have to add a policy to allow root to draw gui...
[20:44] <tangarora> sudo sed -i s/'# session  optional       pam_xauth.so'/'session  optional       pam_xauth.so'/g /etc/pam.d/sudo
[20:45] <tangarora> just onece though.
[20:45] <tangarora> once
[20:45] <tangarora> OK I see the problem.
[20:46] <tangarora> type this before: xhost local:root
[20:46] <tangarora> or put it in your .bashrc
[20:46] <tangarora> The app is not allowed to draw in x... from root. Because its no you.
[20:52] <rfm> Firefishe, what is this jpilot you're trying to run?  All I'm finding is a Palm Desktop replacement which is a strange thing to run as root (or indeed at all in 2021)
[20:57] <Firefishe> rfm:  Hee Hee.  Well...  I'm an old user, at 55, and I have a Sony Clie' PEG-TJ37 PDA (Personal Digital Assistant);  I'm just playing.  It seems that a keyring file that the handheld needs:  Keys-Gtkr.pdb or something or other, makes it only work in root.
[20:57] <Firefishe> rfm:  in palm-speak, it's called a "HotSync" operation, and dates from the early 2000's.
[20:59] <Firefishe> rfm:  Sometimes simpler is better for some things. Just because hardware is a bit dated, doesn't make less useful.
[20:59] <Firefishe> doesn't make IT less useful
[21:00] <cipherboy> Aha, my systemd-resolved issue was fixed in v246-rc1+ -- and 20.04 is currently running 245.
[21:01] <rfm> Firefishe, I'm an old Palm user too, only gave up when my last Palm hardware died.
[21:04] <rfm> Firefishe, there must be a way to not have to run it as root.  Looking around it appears people used to run it as root just to get to the serial port, when what they should have done is add it to the "dialout" group.)
[21:05] <rfm> Firefishe, and then a bunch of the synced files got created as root, and now it's locked in.
[21:08] <rfm> Firefishe, if I were you I'd consider finding all those synced files (surely they are in one place), chown'ing them to you, and running jpilot not as root.   might have a couple other permissions problems like the serial/dialout one, but you could probably get help fixing those here...
[21:10] <Firefishe> rfm:  I'll look into it.  Check the .config files and such
[21:10] <nacelle> thats 100% correct
[21:11] <nacelle> I used to run that software
[21:13] <remline> Firefishe: Palm HotSync... brings back fond memories! (And memory of some mysterious bugs...)
[21:14] <nacelle> (make the jpilot user a member of the dialout group, remember to logout and login again to take on the new group perms)
[21:14] <Firefishe> remline:  Oh yes, I remember those bugs.  Troubleshot into the early morning hours on dialup irc. ;-)
[21:15] <Firefishe> remline:  What is the cli syntax to do that.  The gui-based config is a bit cryptic.
[21:15] <nacelle> usermod -aG dialout <username>
[21:15] <Firefishe> username being "jpilot" ?
[21:15] <nacelle> your login name on the box
[21:16] <Firefishe> nacelle:  I"m already there
[21:16] <nacelle> if you login with firefishe, it would be that
[21:16] <nacelle> if you login with the user "jpilot", it would be that
[21:16] <nacelle> Firefishe: what does "I'm already there" mean in this context?
[21:17] <Firefishe> nacelle: my user name is already in the dialout group
[21:18] <blahboybaz> Is there a way to update nvidia card driver to latest / more better one? I have this problem here:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1244607/obs-nvenc-doesnt-work-out-of-box-on-20-04  <--  I can solve the problem by switchingn to software driver in obs settings but I would prefer to use my graphics card so not to use up so much cpu and leave it available for other tasks. Someone mentions upgrading the
[21:18] <Firefishe> nacelle: So it's something else
[21:18] <blahboybaz> driver in one of the posts there but I don't know how to determine what is compatible (or even if there is a better one for my card that will use the nvenc codec in question). Does anyone have familiarty with this issue or with nvidia drivers that could assist?
[21:18] <nacelle> hrmm, should work as that user then, strange.
[21:19] <nacelle> maybe its not the same serial port name as you're used to?
[21:20] <TJ-> Firefishe: have you re-logged-in or used 'newgrp xxxx' since adding your $USER to the dialout group?
[21:21] <TJ-> Firefishe: new group membership is only applied at log-in
[21:21] <Firefishe> nacelle:  It related to "Keys-Gtkr.pdb".  I get the error--on the Clie' in the log on the HotSync page:  "Unable to open file: Keys-Gtkr, Thank you for using jpilot."
[21:22] <Firefishe> nacelle:  Running it as super user works, as a quick and dirty solution.
[21:22] <nacelle> oh, that sounds like you ran it as root and need to adjust the perms back on the local backup so that the user can access it
[21:23] <Firefishe> nacelle: And I'm playing around a bit.  I actually have a once-in-blue-moon arrival shipping to me now.  A factory-sealed T|X in the original box with a hard case.  Ebay is nice sometimes. :-)
[21:23] <nacelle> i would find wherever Keys-Gtkr.pdb is on the filesystem and adjust the perms so that your normal user can access
[21:23] <nacelle> find / -name 'Keys-Gtkr.pdb' -type f
[21:23] <nacelle> etc.
[21:24] <nacelle> running things as root like that is probably fine though, I mean, how many people are inserting mailicious code into jpilot? ;-)
[21:24] <TJ-> Boeing for one :P
[21:24] <Firefishe> nacelle:  Eggs Aktly ;-)
[21:24] <nacelle> (the problem isnt maliciousness but naivety, where something that shouldnt did, and now you're done.)
[21:24] <Firefishe> TJ-: LOL
[21:27] <Firefishe> nacelle: I'll just uninstall jpilot and nuke the .config settings by deleting the directory
[21:27] <Firefishe> nacelle: and start from scratch.
[21:27] <Firefishe> Keys-Gtkr.pdb would be on  the handheld, though, and not the computer.  .pdb is a Palm Database File, and would be only on the handheld, itself.
[21:41] <Firefishe> nacelle: So I've nuked all the relevant ~/.config and ~/.jpilot directories.
[21:48] <nacelle> .pdb is on both, when running as a user its saying it cant access the one on disk, I think.
[21:48] <nacelle> but i'd have to dig through teh code
[21:49] <nacelle> (the .pdb is synched over, thats part of what you're backing up)
[22:04] <Firefishe> nacelle: I've found a few things of interest.  The only configuration directory I can find is ~/.jpilot .  Nothing in ~/.config .  -- The only Keys-Gtkr file I can find in .jpilot is "Keys-Gtkr.pc3" not "Keys_Gtkr.pdb" .
[22:08] <nacelle> well i cant imagine its jpilot not being aware of something on the palm
[22:37] <tangarora> WARNING  Using legacy d-i based installer, that has been deprecated and will be removed in the future. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/server
[22:37] <tangarora> Whats that about?
[22:44] <sarnold> tangarora: the debian-installer has been replaced by subiquity
[22:54] <tripelb> My 20.04 freezes daily or alt-days. I had 34 ff windows open and hexchat. And text editor maybe.
[22:56] <sarnold> tripelb: can you ping it? can you ssh in?
[23:10] <Firefishe> tripelb: 20.04 seemed to fall victim to a "slow entropy" kind of effect when I first installed it when it first came out.  An app seemed to stop working, then the window it was in, and then everything else by degrees.  I'm on 18.04, which is stable as hell, and I'm not moving.  Might be related to kernel 5, but I have no proof of that.  This is ancient hardware (2008), too.
[23:11] <sarnold> tripelb: can you ping it? can you ssh in?
[23:11] <Firefishe> To me, 20.04 is toast.  I'm waiting.
[23:11] <tripelb> I have been unable to SSH for my phone because I guess I don't know how to do it. I have a pixel 3A. You can tell me how to ping it and I'll do that.
[23:12] <tripelb> 1804 didn't handle Wi-Fi very well on my laptop HP. Windows did but then I hate using Windows. It's too complicated.
[23:30] <haijuno> Hi. I'm on ubuntu gnome and wanted to try out kde. Is there an easy way to install and try out kde with the option to easily switch back to gnome if it doesn't work for me?
[23:31] <Toadisattva> sudo apt-get install kde-desktop
[23:32] <Toadisattva> you should be able to choose os's at the greeter screen
[23:32] <Toadisattva> choose de's*
[23:32] <haijuno> the log in screen?
[23:32] <Toadisattva> that's the one
[23:32] <sarnold> haijuno: installing and switching between them should be pretty easy -- uninstalling one you don't like afterwards is quite a bit more work
[23:33] <Toadisattva> yeah that's a whole other ballgame
[23:34] <haijuno> I was thinking of following this guide. Do you guys think the instructions are correct?
[23:34] <haijuno> https://techsphinx.com/linux/install-kde-ubuntu/#uninstall-kde-desktop-environment-on-ubuntu
[23:35] <sarnold> haijuno: yeah, looks pretty sane
[23:35] <haijuno> Great. Thank you guys
[23:36] <Firefishe> tripelb: I'm sorry, I don't know how to ping a phone offhand
[23:37] <Firefishe> 18.04 works with my wi-fi just fine, though.
[23:37] <Firefishe> tripelb: I hope you have better results.


[00:55] <johnc4510> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #192 is now available:
[00:55] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue192


[17:47]  * Na3iL is away: AFK
[17:49] <pleia2> Na3iL: can you please turn that off for this channel?
[18:26] <Na3iL> pleia2, yep sure sorry :)
[18:33] <pleia2> thanks :)


[01:34] <asac> fine .... cu tomorrow
[04:43] <gnomefreak> anyone here? i need to test a script for removng baning ect.. people i would just remove you from channel
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all
[05:08] <gnomefreak> hi
[05:08] <gnomefreak> asac: we need to update tbird to <IP_ADDRESS> im still wondering what happened to <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:37] <gnomefreak> i need to test this damn script someone that is around please let me kick you from channel (no ban i promise) just a remove
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnomefreak, go for it
[05:45] <gnomefreak> Kamping_Kaiser: you sure?
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnomefreak, sure.
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm not missing anything ;)
[05:45] <gnomefreak> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks
[05:45] <gnomefreak> oh wtf
[05:46] <gnomefreak> 1 more try?
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure. until it works
[05:46] <gnomefreak> i guess not
[05:47] <gnomefreak> its telling me /ar isnt a command however in the script /ar nick [reason]   --> removes nick with [reason]
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> "its" telling you?
[05:48] <gnomefreak> yeah in server window
[05:48] <gnomefreak> 00:45 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: ar
[05:48] <gnomefreak> 00:46 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: ar
[05:49] <gnomefreak> ok 1 more time
[05:50] <gnomefreak> nope that didnt help but the script is loaded
[05:50] <gnomefreak> its still showing in white not green
[06:38] <gnomefreak> Kamping_Kaiser: you still here?
[07:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnomefreak, back again
[07:27] <gnomefreak> Kamping_Kaiser: i think i got script working :)
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnomefreak, give it a shot ;)
[07:28] <gnomefreak> ok thanks
[07:28] <gnomefreak> yes it works :)
[07:29] <gnomefreak> both new scripts work great
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[07:29] <gnomefreak> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnomefreak, no worries. glad it helps
[07:29]  * gnomefreak should make a cheat sheet
[09:25] <asac> olq
[09:25] <asac> ola
[09:25] <asac> gnomefreak: they skipped <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:25] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS> will hopefully not be released before next week
[09:25] <gnomefreak> asac: it is released already
[09:26] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS> i forwarded the email to you incase you didnt get it
[09:27] <asac> gnomefreak: i received a mail yesterday ... iirc it was a preannouncement
[09:27]  * gnomefreak tired of working on scripts and hacking config files
[09:27]  * asac syncs mail again to see whats going on
[09:27] <gnomefreak> oh i thought it was final
[09:28] <asac> you never know
[09:28] <asac> maybe they released it 2 hours after pre-announce
[09:28] <asac> lets see
[09:28] <asac> gnomefreak: Thunderbird <IP_ADDRESS> (RC1) now available
[09:28] <asac> so RC1
[09:28] <gnomefreak> oh
[09:28] <asac> thats pre-announce
[09:30]  * gnomefreak needs to learn to sleep at night not work at night
[09:31] <gnomefreak> god i remember when ubuntu has 12,000 packages now we are ~24492
[09:31] <gnomefreak> atleast thats what smart says
[09:32] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah
[09:32] <asac> go to bed and catch up on sleep ;)
[09:33] <gnomefreak> im thinking about it but i think smoke than email than sleep
[09:33] <gnomefreak> work on auto joining more channels tomorrow im at 25 or so channles
[09:33] <gnomefreak> channels
[09:34] <gnomefreak> oh forgot to ask you how safe is the n-m ppa to leave enabled?
[09:44] <asac> gnomefreak: should be as safe as possible ... given that there is no staging ;)
[09:58] <gnomefreak> cool
[10:18] <armin76> tb will get released 23 jul
[10:18] <armin76> buuuuuuuuuuumb!
[10:18] <gnomefreak> i really hate training tbird. it should really beable to do it itself. or make it so it doesnt mark everything junk when marking one as junk
[10:18] <gnomefreak> armin76: ummmmm not 3.0
[10:18] <gnomefreak> maybe <IP_ADDRESS>ish
[10:19] <gnomefreak> iirc tbird 3 is still in alpha maybe first beta
[10:19] <armin76> .16
[10:20] <gnomefreak> would be nice to have that maybe it fixes something
[10:21] <gnomefreak> why is it everytime i need to use an app it fails to start/run
[10:24] <asac> gnomefreak: thats the fate of the good guys
[10:24] <asac> armin76: we will skip tbird as it contains severe regressions
[10:24] <gnomefreak> now i cant mount a dvd :(
[10:24] <asac> unbump
[10:25] <asac> gnomefreak: thats an advanced feature
[10:25] <asac> shouldnt be required for daily work ;)
[10:25] <asac> armin76: jk
[10:25] <gnomefreak> im getting that feeling
[10:25] <asac> let me think when i inserted a dvd in my drive ...
[10:25] <asac> never?
[10:25] <gnomefreak> i thought yesterday was a bad day today isnt turning out any better except i closed 2 bugs
[10:25] <asac> oh no ... i installed UT2004 from a dvd ;)
[10:26] <asac> ok, so probably there is a use for dvds
[10:26] <asac> but its mostly ignorable imo
[10:26] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ alexandria
[10:26] <gnomefreak> ruby1.8: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/i486-linux/gtk2.so: undefined symbol: gtk_file_system_error_quark
[10:26] <gnomefreak> wtf is that
[10:26] <asac> gnomefreak: thats ruby bustage
[10:26] <asac> needs to be bumped
[10:27] <asac> ruby is definitly advanced ;)
[10:27] <asac> armin76 doesnt use it either ;)
[10:27] <gnomefreak> ruby is broken too
[10:27] <gnomefreak> damn
[10:27] <asac> gnomefreak: thats what i said ... ruby bustage
[10:27] <asac> gnomefreak: try to respin
[10:28] <gnomefreak> i will this after noon or when i wake up
[10:29] <gnomefreak> how the hell do i change permissions for this dvd issue
[10:30] <gnomefreak> maybe boot into safe mode kernel
[10:31] <gnomefreak> assuming i am root login
[10:31] <gnomefreak> oh hell its worth trying i guess
[10:49] <gnomefreak> ha found the problem with the dvd
[10:49] <gnomefreak> it was trying to open it with hardy chroot media
[10:50] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. not a good idea i guess
[10:50] <gnomefreak> nope so i edited fstab and rebooted nw it works
[10:50] <gnomefreak> simple fix once i found the issue
[10:52] <gnomefreak> what package of ruby should i respin?
[10:53] <gnomefreak> like "ruby" or "ruby1.8"
[10:53] <asac> no idea
[10:53] <asac> figure out in which package the file is that failed
[10:55] <gnomefreak> cant unpack the frigging tar on the dvd :(
[10:57] <gnomefreak> i cant believe an unexpected EOF would cause whole tar to fail to unpack. least they can do is let me unpack everything until the EOF error
[11:07] <gnomefreak> ok building intrepid chroot to respin ruby 1.8
[11:08] <Jazzva> good day, all :)
[11:08] <asac> hi Jazzva
[11:08] <Jazzva> hey asac :)
[11:09] <asac> Jazzva: seb asked me if you would be interested in helping webkit into main (aka write a MIR) ... what do you think?
[11:09] <Jazzva> Done with the exams for some time, and passed the junior year requirements, so I'm a senior in October :)
[11:09] <asac> congrats
[11:09] <Jazzva> thanks :)
[11:09] <Jazzva> asac, what's a MIR?
[11:10] <Jazzva> sure I would like to help :)...
[11:11] <asac> Jazzva: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=main+inclusion&titlesearch=Titles
[11:11] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportTemplate?highlight=(main)|(inclusion)
[11:11] <asac> thats the template to use for such things
[11:11] <Jazzva> ah, Main Inclusion Request
[11:12] <asac> yes, report not request though ;)
[11:12] <Jazzva> aha... Ok :)
[11:12] <asac> you file a request for main inclusion, but we need a report to document that its of decent quality
[11:12] <asac> Jazzva: its not that hard. just go through the points and see if there are things you can fill in
[11:12] <Jazzva> Well, I can write it today, and report what I made, so you and seb can check and correct :)
[11:12] <asac> or ant
[11:12] <asac> i can hel pyou
[11:13] <asac> Jazzva: great
[11:13] <Jazzva> IIRC, epiphany-webkit from debian worked ok, it was a problem with my build...
[11:14] <Jazzva> Are we gonna sync that one directly? Or are we preparing a new package?
[11:14] <asac> Jazzva: i think seb already synched it ... just needs to be promoted to main during this cycle
[11:15] <Jazzva> Aha, ok
[11:15] <asac> if he didnt he is probably waiting for it entering main
[11:15] <Jazzva> So, I'll say that I tested epiphany-webkit and liferea-webkit and that both work ok
[11:16] <asac> Jazzva: well, the MIR is about webkit itself not the application.
[11:16] <asac> s
[11:16] <asac> Jazzva: just go through the template ;) ... not sure if we need to put info thaere that it actually works
[11:17] <Jazzva> ok
[11:17] <Jazzva> maybe in rationale... e.g. "allowing to build liferea and epiphany with webkit"
[11:18] <Jazzva> if liferea is in main
[11:18] <Jazzva> ok, it is
[11:19] <gnomefreak> did whats his name stop maintaining liferea? i havent seen anything with that in a while
[11:45] <Jazzva> asac, in MIR, what are "supported archs"? Officially supported ones (i386 and amd64), right?
[11:56] <asac> Jazzva: yeah. currently supported is i386, amd + lpia i think
[11:56] <Jazzva> asac, ok. I don't think there are webkit pkgs for lpia. Now I'm confused by CVEs :). Which to include and which to skip...
[11:58] <Jazzva> safari is using the same webkit as the one provided on webkit.org?
[11:59] <asac> Jazzva: i am not really sure. maybe there is a #webkit channel?
[11:59] <asac> alp is the master mind of webkit so if he is in there ask him directly
[11:59] <asac> Jazzva: webkit should be available on lpia
[12:00] <asac> did you look at launchpad?
[12:02] <Jazzva> asac, looked at packages.ubuntu.com
[12:03] <Jazzva> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/libwebkit-1.0-1
[12:03] <Jazzva> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/libwebkit-1.0-1-dbg
[12:03] <Jazzva> and -dev is available for all archs
[12:10] <asac> Jazzva: yeah. dont look at that page
[12:10] <asac> look at launchpad
[12:10] <asac> i think that page doesnt even know a thing about lpia
[12:10] <Jazzva> heh...
[12:11]  * asac lunch (15min)
[12:12] <Jazzva> bon appetite, asac.
[12:12] <Jazzva> New LP looks better and better :).
[12:15] <armin76> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ia64; en-US; rv:<IP_ADDRESS>) Gecko/2008071710 (Gentoo) Firefox/3.0.1
[12:15] <armin76> asac: bumb!^
[13:18] <Jazzva> asac, ping
[13:34] <Jazzva> asac, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionWebkit ... "(?)" marks things that I didn't know if they are right. For port opening, I suppose it doesn't open any. Browser should do that. But just to be sure... :)
[13:34] <Jazzva> For CVEs, olliej told me that CVEs related to desktop Safare might be interesting to us, so I included those.
[13:35] <Jazzva> I'm off to take a short nap...
[15:19] <asac> Jazzva: doesnt open any port: to be safe you have to look in code ... but using lsof while it is running might be a valid option to verify that
[15:44] <asac> Volans: do you know why the mail i retrieved is from "LetterMeLater.com"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[15:45] <Volans> no, but the mail you received is an alert to you that in 3 daays the automatical alert will be sent
[15:46] <Volans> not the copy of the alert itself iirc
[15:54] <asac> ok ... i think i should read mails ;)
[15:54] <asac> thanks
[15:54] <Volans> :)
[16:04] <Jazzva> asac, thanks. I'll see what will lsof report
[16:16] <asac> Jazzva: i already pointed pitti and seb at the report
[16:16] <asac> so remove the question marks if you see them ... otherwise wait for their comment
[16:17] <Jazzva> If I see them? Question marks or pitti and seb?
[16:17] <Jazzva> asac ^
[16:18] <asac> Jazzva: s/see them/find out/ :)
[16:18] <Jazzva> asac, I tried with lsof, it says epiphany-webkit has one tcp connection, but that's normal. now I'm reading through man lsof to see if I can see what part of epiphany-webkit is using that connection
[16:28] <asac> Jazzva: if its outgoing its fine
[16:28] <asac> if it lisents on a port we should look why
[16:35] <Jazzva> asac, it's reported as outgoing, if lsof indicates it like this " TCP cable-89-216-132-34.dynamic.sbb.rs:44681->hu-in-f104.google.com:www"
[19:03] <Sergeant_Pony> what's the name of the lib file needed to display certain add-ons correctly?
[19:04] <Sergeant_Pony> for tb
[20:28] <Nukeador> Is ff 3.0.1 in hardy-proposed?
[23:08] <Jazzva> Nukeador, I don't think it's in yet.
[23:09] <Nukeador> Is there a site or a list to track this security releases?
[23:09] <Nukeador> O even help to be pushed as soon as possible
[23:12] <Jazzva> firefox security releases?
[23:12] <Nukeador> yep
[23:13] <Jazzva> I suppose you can check firefox packages page...
[23:13] <Nukeador> aha
[23:13] <Jazzva> maybe there's an rss feed
[23:15] <Jazzva> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/firefox-3.0
[23:15] <Jazzva> Nukeador, there's a list of package releases
[23:15] <Nukeador> thanks
[23:15] <Jazzva> It doesn't have a feed, though
[23:15] <Jazzva> np
[23:41] <Volans> asac: what you decided about the next meeting? will held on the day we have scheduled or pushed back?


[10:20] <gotwig> hey
[10:20] <gotwig> so I've got my po and my potfiles. In my application I changed a string to another. Then I made a commit. Does launchpad automaticly update the string in the po files for every translation?


[07:55] <fta2> hi, do I have to remove half of gnome to complete the upgrades (oneiric) or is that libgnome-desktop-3-2 transition still a WIP?
[07:56] <fta2> the former seems a bad idea to me
[07:58] <ricotz> fta2, hi, the transition should be done
[08:00] <fta2> ricotz, really? http://paste.ubuntu.com/634826/
[08:04] <ricotz> fta2, hmm, i am using aptitude
[08:05] <ricotz> but the old libpanel-applet package can be removed
[08:06] <ricotz> aptitude should give you more solutions where you should get a better one
[08:06] <fta2> nope, they are all worse
[08:09] <fta2> they all imply removing a part of gnome and leaving most new stuff un-upgraded
[08:09] <fta2> it's been like that for a week
[08:10] <ricotz> perhaps there is some "custom" package which holds the old stuff
[08:10] <ricotz> i havent used a unity session lately, but my installation seems consistent
[08:12] <ricotz> so i think i should everything needed installed, there were updates which needed some tweaking -- meaning aptitude gave me like 10+ solutions
[08:12] <fta2> i don't think i have anything custom related to this
[08:13] <ricotz> for example the deskbar-applet
[08:14] <fta2> auto-installed, removing...
[08:14] <ricotz> probably aptitude shows you a lot local/old packages
[08:16] <ricotz> if there are mark them to purge, select an upgrade and browse the solutions
[08:19] <fta2> ricotz, nada, (and i've used debian/ubuntu for ~15y now, so i'm usually used to this stuff)
[08:20] <fta2> it all seems to be related to   libgnome-desktop-3-0: Depends: gnome-desktop3-data (= 3.0.2-2) but 3.1.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[08:22] <ricotz> fta2, did you used the gnome3-ppa?
[08:22] <fta2> no
[08:22] <ricotz> if you have cheese installed
[08:22] <ricotz> ok
[08:22] <fta2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/634839/
[08:25] <ricotz> apt-cache rdepends libgnome-desktop-3-0
[08:25] <ricotz> E: Keine Pakete gefunden
[08:28] <ricotz> http://paste.debian.net/plain/121355
[08:33] <ricotz> desrt, hello, i had to override the eventfd check since it only checks the installed kernel headers (right?) and not capability of the actual running kernel
[09:05] <desrt> ricotz: the bug is fixed upstream now
[09:10] <ricotz> desrt, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/74258089/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.glib2.0_2.29.9~git20110628.315210ec-0ubuntu1~11.10~ricotz0_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:16] <desrt> ricotz: is that with the changes to git master as of yesterday evening?
[09:17] <ricotz> desrt, yes, commit 315210ec
[09:17] <fta2> hm, the preview pane in evo3 is broken (nvidia), it's either always blank/empty or corrupted (no refresh when scrolled)
[09:17] <fta2> ricotz, i managed to complete my upgrade
[09:17] <desrt> ricotz: huh.
[09:17] <ricotz> fta2, good :)
[09:18] <fta2> ricotz, i had to help apt* and drop all indicators-applet-*
[09:18] <ricotz> desrt, as i asked, it is checking the installed kernel headers but not the running kernel, so tests are failing
[09:18] <desrt> ricotz: something doesn't stack up here
[09:19] <desrt> ricotz: the error in your build log should be impossible with the new code
[09:19] <desrt> take a look at the patch in commit 1b0e5e7683148f769189fc82ab731ee25d06c04c
[09:19] <desrt> +    if (efd == -1 && (errno == ENOSYS || errno == EINVAL))
[09:19] <desrt> "Invalid argument" (shown in your message) is EINVAL
[09:20] <desrt> so it should hit that branch of the 'if'
[09:20] <desrt> the error message that i see is on the 'else'
[09:21] <desrt> are you 100% sure you got that commit in the upload?
[09:21] <ricotz> let me double check, but i am sure
[09:23] <desrt> i have a doubt :)
[09:23] <ricotz> desrt, it is, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+files/glib2.0_2.29.9%7Egit20110628.315210ec.orig.tar.xz
[09:26] <desrt> ricotz: i am quite confused
[09:27] <desrt> ricotz: i'll check something locally
[09:27] <desrt> i still don't believe my eyes :P)
[09:28] <ricotz> ;)
[09:31] <ricotz> desrt, again, the check in configure.ac is only a compile check not a runtime check, right?
[09:31] <desrt> it shouldn't matter
[09:32] <desrt> the check in gmain.c itself is a runtime check
[09:32] <desrt> with a fallback
[09:32] <ricotz> ok
[09:44] <ricotz> fta, do you have time to update the gnome3 ppa stats again?
[09:44] <fta2> ricotz, sure
[09:44] <ricotz> fta2, thanks
[09:44] <desrt> ricotz: i found a machine with a .25 kernel
[09:45] <desrt> gonna take your tarball for a spin
[09:45] <fta2> uh, my evo3 corruption is caused by liboverlay-scrollbar*
[09:46] <ricotz> desrt, looks like it is time to update the builders to lucid (.32) ;)
[10:00] <desrt> ricotz: i tried building your tarball on my 2.6.25 machine. no problems.
[10:00] <desrt> after _installing dbus_ it passes the tests
[10:00] <desrt> rodrigo_: hey.  how you been lately?
[10:01] <ricotz> desrt, hmm, the builders are running 2.6.24, but shouldnt make a difference since .27 is the requirement
[10:01] <desrt> indeed
[10:02] <desrt> what the heck are the builders running?
[10:02] <desrt> my 2.6.25 system is hardy
[10:02] <desrt> ah.  but it's a custom linode kernel
[10:03] <desrt> they probably went with a point release higher than the distro
[10:04] <ricotz> alright, but still it should work code-wise
[10:05] <desrt> i'm digging deeper
[10:10] <desrt> ricotz: i can't match your whacky combination of shiny-new-buildroot vs. ancient-kernel
[10:10] <desrt> can i give you a patch that will add some printf() and get you to apply it and try again?
[10:13] <ricotz> desrt, also i am only able to reproduce this in the ppa, so i would need to upload it there, but i can do
[10:14] <desrt> ricotz; http://fpaste.org/6S3L/
[10:15] <desrt> uh wait
[10:15] <desrt> no.  that's correct.  continue. :)
[10:15] <ricotz> ok
[10:15] <desrt> talk to you in a few hours, i guess :)
[10:15] <ricotz> probably
[10:18] <fta2> ricotz, done (your g3 stats)
[10:18] <fta2> ricotz, fyi, there's taking 15min to fetch now, against 8min ~2w ago
[10:19] <fta2> ricotz, feel free to go blame lp
[10:20] <ricotz> fta2, thank you -- you are indeed a statistics fan :P
[10:21] <seb128> seems you are both statistics fan ;-)
[10:22] <ricotz> desrt, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+build/2599672
[10:23] <ricotz> seb128, fta2, remembering the buildtime ;)
[10:23] <desrt> ricotz: let me know when it's done
[10:24] <ricotz> desrt, ok, probably in 1 hour
[10:26] <mterry> vuntz, hello!  I'm about to work on adding support for OnlyShowIn=Unity/NotShowIn=Unity to gnome-menus.  Would you like me to send that patch to bugzilla when done?
[10:27] <fta2> ricotz, well, the reason i remember your stats fetch time is that i found it absolutely slow to fetch ~5000 rows of a table in 8min, even worse now in 15 min
[10:28] <fta2> ricotz, and to get my daily dose of chromium stats, it now takes 5h+ :P
[10:29] <ricotz> fta2, alright :), this sounds horrible slow
[10:34] <seb128> ricotz, why do you do oneiric uploads in the ppa?
[10:35] <ricotz> seb128, just to have a working package until the MIR is done
[10:35] <seb128> ricotz, hum, ok
[10:35] <seb128> we should demote cheese to universe
[10:39] <vuntz> mterry: there's already a patch in bugzilla for something like this
[10:39] <vuntz> mterry: and it's waiting for a big branch to get merged, so... I'd advise you to wait a bit, actually :)
[10:40] <mterry> vuntz, oh!  didn't know.  let me see how that patch was done
[10:42] <seb128> vuntz, is the gobject friendly refactoring going to land soon?
[10:42] <mterry> vuntz, you're talking about the XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP support I gather
[10:42] <mterry> didrocks, hah, see -- an environment variable for it ^
[10:43] <didrocks> mterry: nice! not sure how it will work if you explictely ask for fallback then
[10:45] <vuntz> mterry: yeah, that'd be based on that
[10:45] <vuntz> seb128: soonish, yes
[10:45] <mterry> vuntz, one problem with that patch is it doesn't support "blended desktops" where Unity also shows things that say OnlyShowIn=GNOME.  Maybe the environment variable could be a list?  Or special support for Unity could be added?  /me looks for spec for that variable
[10:45] <vuntz> seb128: we need an API addition in glib
[10:46] <vuntz> mterry: that sounds like you want something which isn't supported in the spec
[10:46] <vuntz> mterry: there's no notion of "blended desktops"
[10:48] <mterry> vuntz, I know, for OnlyShowIn.  But I didn't know how XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP was spec'd.  Seems like it's not yet?
[10:49] <mterry> Just a conversation on the xdg list
[10:49] <vuntz> yeah, it's not
[10:50] <Tommeh> Why on earth does smartmontools depend on postfix :/
[10:50]  * mterry knows that "blended desktops" is a bad idea as long as there isn't a "GNOMEShell" OnlyShowIn value, but doesn't want to go and add "Unity;" to all the desktops in the world
[10:50] <vuntz> but my other idea was to add some API like gmenu_set_desktop(), and that's not really better
[10:51] <mterry> vuntz, I assume there is no intention to add a "GNOMEShell" OnlyShowIn value?  That the intention is that the future will be shell only?
[10:53] <mterry> vuntz, but with an environment variable...  that won't work with running "other-desktop --replace" or launching things from VT1 with "DISPLAY=:0.0" right?
[10:54] <mdeslaur> pitti: do you know of any reason we shouldn't replace gksu with something like "pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY synaptic"?
[10:54] <mdeslaur> pitti: we really want to remove gksu as it doesn't support pam/two factor auth correctly
[10:54] <seb128> mdeslaur, did anyone look at gksu-polkit?
[10:55] <mdeslaur> seb128: yeah, but it currently has security issues, and they haven't been fixed
[10:55] <seb128> ok
[10:55] <seb128> I was just mentioning it in case, I would like to get ride of gksu as well
[10:55] <mdeslaur> seb128: I'd rather just use something that's already in main
[10:55] <mdeslaur> (and maintained)
[10:55] <seb128> (for different reasons, what bothers me in the different user experiences between gksu and polkit prompts)
[10:56] <mdeslaur> yes
[11:06] <vuntz> mterry: no plan for GNOMEShell value, indeed
[11:06] <vuntz> mterry: and --replace is really not a good way to start another desktop
[11:06] <vuntz> mterry: doing this between gnome 3 & unity won't 100% work, for instance
[11:09] <cyphermox> kenvandine: your calendar crash might be fixed by http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=46eec90c098d5b239035568ae5c25ae9127a8373
[11:12] <mterry> vuntz, and VT1 apps aren't a concern?
[11:13] <mterry> vuntz, (just thinking that maybe a dbus way of querying which desktop one is on would be more foolproof)
[11:15] <pitti> mdeslaur: pkexec env seems like a nice trick indeed
[11:15] <pitti> mdeslaur: I'd love to get rid of gksu as well
[11:16] <mdeslaur> pitti: the only inconvenience is the message that gets displayed in the policykit window is less than ideal, we could either write a small wrapper for each app, or add a --title option to pkexec or something similar
[11:16] <pitti> mdeslaur: the dialog is rather nasty, though; it says it needs your password to run /usr/bin/env
[11:17] <mdeslaur> yeah, a wrapper could be used to get "pkexec synaptic-root $DISPLAY $XAUTHORITY"
[11:17] <mdeslaur> which would make the window better
[11:17] <mdeslaur> or, we could add a new option...something like --title "Synaptic package manager"
[11:17] <pitti> mdeslaur: it might be more palatable for upstream to actually add an option to set an env var
[11:18] <pitti> mdeslaur: hm, perhaps --title is better indeed
[11:18] <pitti> then we could write a generic wrapper which takes a .desktop file, grabs the translated name from it, uses that as --title, and runs the Exec= line through pkexec DISPLAY..
[11:18] <mdeslaur> yes
[11:19] <vuntz> mterry: a dbus way would be nice
[11:19] <pitti> mdeslaur: would you mind opening an upstream bugzilla for the --title thing, and then I'll grab davidz this afternoon and discuss it with him?
[11:20] <mdeslaur> pitti: sure, I'll do it in the next hour, and I'll let you know the bug number
[11:20] <pitti> thanks!
[11:20] <pitti> so we could call this wrapper "pkexecdesktop"
[11:23] <desrt> robert_ancell: hey.  how's the dbus stuff going?
[11:24] <desrt> robert_ancell: i love you
[11:24] <desrt> robert_ancell: but i'm ashamed to say it to you in person
[11:24] <seb128> robert_ancell, is it ready yet? can I try it?
[11:24] <robert_ancell> desrt, sorry, the feeling's not mutual
[11:24] <desrt> :~(
[11:24] <robert_ancell> seb128, no, and it's not getting any closer with you continuously asking me
[11:25] <desrt> robert_ancell: i'm glad it's not just me that you hate
[11:25] <robert_ancell> that's it, i'm stopping the car! EVERYONE OUT!
[11:25]  * pitti holds up the "Equal hate for everyone!!" cardboard sign
[11:25] <desrt> hm.  we didn't get that
[11:25] <desrt> we got "if you ask one more time, we're turning around and going home"
[11:26] <desrt> come to think about it, i guess i should have asked "are we there yet?" more often on the way to school
[11:27] <mpt> mdeslaur, we should add that option to USC as well: software-center --title "Synaptic Package Manager"
[11:27] <mpt> just to mess with people
[11:27] <mdeslaur> mpt: hehe, that was just an example :)
[11:28] <Sweetshark> desrt and seb128 seem to have found a fancy new way to communicate via audio ...
[11:29] <desrt> mumble mumble
[11:29] <seb128> can't hear you!
[11:29] <pitti> Sweetshark: really badly greppable, though
[11:29] <Sweetshark> desrt: lies! almost nobody on the mumble server!
[11:29] <desrt> pitti: google is working on something, i'm sure
[11:30] <mpt> mdeslaur, PolicyKit is just one of the things that would benefit from being able to get an application name and icon from a binary name. Others include System Monitor, gnome-session (these applications are blocking logout), and whatever it is that tries and fails to eject disks (this file is in use by this application).
[11:32] <mdeslaur> mpt: oh, interesting...then we probably should be looking at a proper way of doing this instead of just the specific use case I was thinking of
[11:35] <mpt> mdeslaur, yes, that would be cool. It seems like the kind of thing that the maintainers of those individual pieces don't do because from their p.o.v. it's too hard
[11:36] <mpt> There's a similar problem in getting from a package name to an application name+icon, needed by both USC and Update Manager. The API for that should look similar.
[11:39] <mpt> kenvandine, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=menu-go.png
[11:40] <mpt> (initial sketch)
[11:40] <kenvandine> thx
[11:41] <seb128> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/785680
[11:41] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 785680 in accountsservice "[MIR] accountsservice" [Undecided,New]
[11:42] <kenvandine> mpt, those make sense, and i like ][ as a next/prev
[11:46] <kenvandine> vuntz, you are my hero!
[11:47] <kenvandine> vuntz, your fix for bgo 652769 worked
[11:47] <vuntz> kenvandine: :-)
[11:47] <kenvandine> vuntz, thx!
[12:08] <mdeslaur> pitti: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38769
[12:08] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 38769 in libpolkit "Allow specifying user friendly application name when using pkexec" [Enhancement,New]
[12:13] <pitti> mdeslaur: cheers!
[13:56] <ricotz> desrt, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/74290372/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.glib2.0_2.29.9~git20110628.315210ec-0ubuntu1~11.10~ricotz2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:56] <ricotz> seems like there is no output :\
[13:57] <desrt> ricotz: i repeat my assertion that you must be compiling the wrong thing
[13:59] <desrt> that failure is quite interesting, though
[14:00] <desrt> i do believe it could be caused by the eventfd thing though
[14:00] <desrt> looks like the mainloop is failing to wake up
[14:01] <ricotz> desrt, you looked at the tarball and it includes the fixes
[14:02] <desrt> there is clearly some inconsistency here
[14:02] <desrt> since i didn't modify anything except for the g_error codepath
[14:02] <desrt> i think you hit the opposite side of a race
[14:02] <desrt> is there any way you can send the same build unmodified?
[14:02] <desrt> in hopes of seeing it go the other way...
[14:02] <ricotz> desrt, use "dget https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+files/glib2.0_2.29.9%7Egit20110628.315210ec-0ubuntu1%7E11.10%7Ericotz2.dsc"
[14:04] <seb128> desrt, ricotz: you can retry the build yes
[14:05] <desrt> chrisccoulson: what did this 'kill -11 `pidof xchat`' thing that i saw you typing mean?
[14:05] <ricotz> seb128, could this be something similar to the gnome-keyring build failures which looked up
[14:05] <desrt> i want to learn more about the things that you do
[14:05] <ricotz> seb128, * locked up
[14:05] <seb128> ricotz, not sure, it would need debugging to say
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> lol
[14:08] <ricotz> desrt, seb128 i could restart them but both amd64 and i386 stopping at the same position
[14:09] <ricotz> which is quite unlikely to be random
[14:10] <desrt> ricotz: by looking at my patch do you agree that i only modified the g_error() statement?
[14:10] <ricotz> desrt, yes
[14:11] <desrt> so why should the result change from last time being a g_error to this time being not a g_error?
[14:11] <desrt> other than by chance
[14:17] <ricotz> desrt, ok, restarted
[14:19] <desrt> sorry :/
[14:19] <desrt> hopefully this time we get a different result
[14:26] <fta2> dpm, hi, I just landed ca@valencia in the last chromium update (M12)
[14:27] <ricotz> desrt, i hope so too
[14:28] <dpm> fta2, awesome, thanks! :)
[14:29] <seb128> ricotz, your glib upload built on natty and not oneiric?
[14:29] <seb128> that's weird
[14:30] <ricotz> seb128, this is a patched one to force the success
[14:30] <seb128> ricotz, oh, that's cheating! ;-)
[14:34] <ricotz> seb128, could you look at webkit to fix headers with G_CONST_RETURN?
[14:34] <seb128> ricotz, is that an issue for any build currently?
[14:34] <seb128> it's all desrt's fault again!
[14:35] <ricotz> probably everything which want to build against it ;) -- i just looked at rhythmbox git
[14:37] <seb128> ricotz, well, they put compat defines, so only things that build with G_DISABLE_DEPRECATED
[14:37] <seb128> you can build without that define as a workaround
[14:38] <ricotz> right, same goes for the gtkbox stuff
[14:38] <seb128> grrrr desrt grrrr!
[14:42] <seb128> ricotz, pitti: ok, http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/88872 should do the trick
[14:43] <seb128> I'm pondering doing the "if it applies it's good enough to be uploaded" ;-)
[14:48] <TheMuso> ronoc: What time is the GVC meeting?
[14:48] <ronoc> TheMuso, 4pm
[14:48] <TheMuso> ronoc: Cheers.
[14:48] <ronoc> TheMuso, np
[14:48] <TheMuso> ronoc: Where abouts?
[14:50] <ronoc> TheMuso, in the indicators room, down the other end of the same floor you are on. At Marianna and co take a right instead of a left and walk all the way down (around the corner) we are on the right at the bottom of the hall
[14:50] <ronoc> TheMuso, Dawson suite - indicators room
[14:54] <mvo> nessita: if you are fine with https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/ubuntu-sso-client/dh_python2/+merge/66304 I can upload it
[14:54] <mvo> (or wait and let someone else upload it)
[14:54] <nessita> mvo: seems ok :-)
[14:55] <seb128> go mvo go!
[14:55] <mvo> thanks nessita I will just upload then
[14:55] <nessita> thanks!!!
[14:55] <mvo> yw
[14:55] <TheMuso> ronoc: Thanks.
[15:08] <ricotz> seb128, then go for the upload ;)
[15:08] <seb128> yeah, will do in a bit
[15:08] <ricotz> great
[15:11] <ricotz> desrt, seb128, i386 gone through (https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+build/2599673/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.glib2.0_2.29.9%7Egit20110628.315210ec-0ubuntu1%7E11.10%7Ericotz2_BUILDING.txt.gz), but the amd64 stopped again (https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+build/2599672)
[15:12] <desrt> ricotz: this is extremely frustrating
[15:12] <desrt> at this point, if i had to guess i'd guess that
[15:13] <desrt>  a) the upload that you did first somehow didn't include the patch
[15:13] <desrt>  b) these new uploads (which do include the patch) have the bug fixed, but now there is a new bug
[15:14] <ricotz> desrt, this tarball includes the fix since the beginning, ~ricotz0 both failed, ~ricotz1 patched configure.ac, ~ricotz2 dont patch configure.ac include your debug
[15:15] <desrt> what configure.ac patch?
[15:15] <ricotz> which mean if i had restarted ~ricotz0 sometimes it might/should succeeded too
[15:16] <ricotz> desrt, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+files/glib2.0_2.29.9%7Egit20110628.315210ec-0ubuntu1%7E11.10%7Ericotz0_2.29.9%7Egit20110628.315210ec-0ubuntu1%7E11.10%7Ericotz1.diff.gz
[15:16] <ricotz> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+files/glib2.0_2.29.9%7Egit20110628.315210ec-0ubuntu1%7E11.10%7Ericotz1_2.29.9%7Egit20110628.315210ec-0ubuntu1%7E11.10%7Ericotz2.diff.gz
[15:18] <ricotz> desrt, so it is random :\
[15:59] <fta> is anyone able to create/add an imap account in evo3 (oneiric)?
[15:59] <seb128> fta, details?
[15:59] <seb128> what issue do you get?
[15:59] <fta> the dialog box is totally broken here, after the 1st forward, it goes back to the 1st step, and loops
[16:00] <seb128> right, that's a known issue and due to the gtkassistant refactoring in 3.1
[16:01] <seb128> bug #799469
[16:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 799469 in evolution "evolution 3.0 setup assistant jump step with new gtkassistant (3.1)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799469
[16:01] <fta> ok, thanks
[16:01] <fta> (once again, i'm not crazy)
[16:03] <fta> seb128, the bug says evo 3.0, same with 3.1.* (in case it matters)
[16:04] <seb128> fta, right, I can confirm and the bug didn't get any recent update upstream either
[16:31] <seb128> TheMuso, there is a sponsoring request for a new onboard version, maybe you could have a look to it?
[16:58] <seb128> cyphermox, http://cgit.freedesktop.org/geoclue/commit/?id=f2f988bfdda6a347a8190612af1501466b64d76b
[17:03] <pitti> seb128, mdeslaur: david and I just discussed the pkexec X11ification, and came to a workable agreement
[17:04] <mdeslaur> pitti: I just saw your notes in the bug, sounds great
[17:04] <seb128> pitti, great
[17:05] <pitti> mdeslaur: it would also be a security improvement, as with .policy files you can't spoof the title any more (which you can with gksu)
[17:06] <mdeslaur> pitti: yes, that's a good idea
[17:07] <mdeslaur> pitti: I wonder if there would be a reason to limit the DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY passing of variables to only when you try to run as root
[17:07] <mdeslaur> meh, maybe not
[17:10] <seb128> pitti, robert_ancell's bug is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=596260
[17:10] <ubot2> Gnome bug 596260 in authentication dialog "Make authentication dialogs system-modal and improve wording/design" [Major,Assigned]
[17:11] <mterry> robert_ancell, I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/803519 btw
[17:11] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 803519 in nautilus "Use Unity as a registered XDG environment" [Undecided,New]
[17:15] <agateau> hey, libgtest-dev apparently misses /usr/lib/libgtest.so, is it a known problem?
[17:16] <agateau> didrocks: ^
[17:17] <seb128> agateau, hey
[17:17] <didrocks> agateau: hum, not really, we are in sync with debian though
[17:17] <didrocks> agateau: but it doesn't have the right versionning from my discussion with Tim
[17:17] <didrocks> so it needs update at least, and maybe fixing that at the same time
[17:17] <agateau> didrocks: the -dev only contains the .a files
[17:18] <agateau> didrocks: unity test do not build on oneiric because of that
[17:18] <didrocks> agateau: ok, it's screwed then, would be nice to fix that in debian directly
[17:18] <didrocks> agateau: hum, wasn't a missing release the cause? like the .6 version?
[17:18] <didrocks> (from what Tim told me)
[17:19] <seb128> didrocks, agateau: do you want me to fix it and open a debian bug?
[17:19] <didrocks> seb128: that would be awesome!
[17:19] <agateau> didrocks: I haven't talked about that with Tim, all I know is make complains with "No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libgtest.so', needed by `tests/test-gtest'.  Stop."
[17:19] <seb128> didrocks, agateau: on it
[17:19] <didrocks> seb128: thanks a lot :)
[17:19] <agateau> seb128: great :)
[17:19] <seb128> yw
[17:21] <agateau> seb128: while you're at it, it's also missing /usr/lib/libgtest_main.so
[17:23] <seb128> agateau, I will fix it to install everything which is missing, no worry
[17:23] <agateau> seb128: ok
[17:24] <seb128> agateau, didrocks: you tricked me!
[17:24] <seb128> that thing is using cmake!
[17:25] <agateau> seb128: mmm... there seems to be another problem: after manually creating the symlinks I get a link error, but I guess providing the missing files is still a good idea :)
[17:25] <didrocks> \o/
[17:25] <agateau> seb128: ah!
[17:25] <didrocks> agateau: nicely done :)
[17:25] <agateau> resistence is futile
[17:25] <agateau> *resistance
[17:26] <seb128> didrocks, neil got the gtk3 indicator loader landed
[17:26] <seb128> didrocks, do you want to backport it or should kenvandine or I do it?
[17:27] <didrocks> seb128: I would prefer a proper unity release with the dialog stuff tested as well, so that we can have both (and do it tomorrow)
[17:27] <seb128> ok
[17:27] <didrocks> seb128: I'll poke him directly for this
[17:27] <seb128> I'm not sure I want to delay the indicators to be back on the unity dialog to be working though
[17:28] <seb128> agateau, didrocks: gtest is not a packaging error, I'm not going to fix cmake build but if you give me a patch I can add it to the package
[17:29] <agateau> seb128: I can have a look
[17:29] <seb128> hum
[17:29] <seb128> debian did
[17:29] <seb128>   * control: Switch to cmake (upstream deprecated autoconf build).  Build
[17:29] <seb128>     only static library (remove libgtest0 package).  Install full source
[17:29] <seb128>     and example files.
[17:29] <seb128> I'm wondering why
[17:29] <agateau> oh
[17:29] <agateau> seb128: shouldn't it conflicts/replaces with libgtest0 then?
[17:30] <agateau> that explains the linking error
[17:30] <seb128> agateau, it should
[17:30] <seb128> didrocks, he doesn't want to roll a tarball, let's talk about that tonight
[17:31] <didrocks> seb128: who "he"?
[17:31] <seb128> didrocks, he said that he would need a new nux, etc if he rolled a tarball from trunk and he don't want to start tarballing the stack
[17:31] <seb128> didrocks, njpatel
[17:31] <didrocks> hum… and when will we have a working dialogs then?
[17:31] <didrocks> let's talk about that tonight then…
[17:31] <seb128> not today or tomorrow apparently
[17:31] <seb128> right
[17:32] <jbicha> seb128: howdy
[17:32] <seb128> hey jbicha, how are you?
[17:32] <jbicha> https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-applets/gnome-applets-3.1.2/+merge/66232
[17:32] <didrocks> seb128: are we sure those are tested?
[17:32] <didrocks> like the dialog, which wasn't?
[17:32] <seb128> didrocks, let's discuss tonight
[17:32] <seb128> jbicha, thanks
[17:32] <jbicha> I'm doing fine, how's Dublin?
[17:33] <agateau> seb128: mmm can't uninstall libgtest0, google-mock depends on it
[17:33] <seb128> agateau, yeah, I don't know why the debian maintainer did that
[17:33] <seb128> he didn't explain
[17:34] <agateau> seb128: maybe upstream did the change?
[17:35] <seb128> not sure
[17:36] <agateau> seb128: mmm upstream provides both autotools and cmake,
[17:36] <agateau> seb128: but the cmake version only builds static libs and does not provide install targets!
[17:36] <seb128> agateau, http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/gtest.git;a=blob;f=debian/README.Debian;h=15381ee64ee60750dfd019dd58d4c267351254b4;hb=fced3a5054fcdf6a891d9c9f9a32fa7e13802263
[17:37] <seb128> agateau, http://groups.google.com/group/googletestframework/browse_thread/thread/668eff1cebf5309d
[17:37] <pedro_> so who is working on metacity ? bug 802747 :-)
[17:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 802747 in metacity "window redraw glitches caused by ubuntu patch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802747
[17:37] <agateau> wow
[17:38] <agateau> seb128: they want people to build it with the same compiler flags, but using static libs does not mean same compiler flags, so it's not really a solution I would say
[17:40] <agateau> seb128: you can still force the build of shared libs, though
[17:40] <agateau> seb128: not sure we want to go that way
[17:40] <seb128> agateau, I would prefer not taking decisions over Debian for a project I don't know or work with
[17:40] <agateau> seb128: makes sense
[17:40] <seb128> I will assume the Debian maintainer has a better clue than me
[17:42] <mterry> tremolux, when does oneiric get for-purchase apps?
[17:42] <tremolux> mterry: it usually happens quite late in the cycle
[17:43] <mterry> tremolux, <whine>I want it now!</whine>
[17:43] <tremolux> mterry: you could check with iamfuzz to see when he plans it for O
[17:44] <mterry> tremolux, all us devs would love to buy stuff, but we can't!
[17:44] <agateau> seb128: I am going to try to make unity tests use the static gtest libs
[17:44]  * mterry just noticed Bridge Construction Set in the store
[17:44] <seb128> agateau, thanks
[17:46] <tremolux> mterry: yeah!  me wants all the good stuff too!
[18:04] <jasoncwarner_> test
[18:04] <jasoncwarner_> test
[18:05] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, test!
[18:05] <jasoncwarner_> seb128: TEST!!!!
[18:05] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, STEAK?!
[18:05] <seb128> ;-)
[19:22] <DOOD> can i have help with a wirless stick please
[19:23] <DOOD> hello
[19:31] <dobey> i ♥ impatient people in the wrong channel :)
[19:51] <awe_> cyphermox, congrats, just the saw the email on ubuntu-desktop!  Well deserved!
[23:23] <cyphermox> awe_: thanks
[23:23] <awe_> your welcome!