[12:00] <ivoks> hehe
[12:00] <ivoks> xfs_resize :)
[12:00] <jgb> kkathman : where is it in hoary?
[12:01] <spoorweg> i have a problem with ubuntu and i hope somebody here can help me
[12:01] <newitailuve> ivoks thks, i'll look into it :)
[12:01] <ivoks> newitailuve NO!
[12:01] <kkathman> ohh sorry I forgot what channel I was in :)
[12:01] <kkathman> hehe
[12:01] <ivoks> newitailuve that's not for ext3 :)
[12:01] <kkathman> you must be in gnome
[12:01] <kkathman> its under your system config I think
[12:01] <jgb> kkathman : indeed
[12:01] <ivoks> newitailuve i was just joking
[12:01] <jedipottsy> can someone help me getting sound to work?
[12:01] <spoorweg> i got a "GRUB: hard disk error"
[12:02] <spoorweg> what do i do about that?
[12:02] <newitailuve> ivoks k, lol
[12:02] <orathon> hmm i want to host a server but i don know wich server :P
[12:02] <newitailuve> ivoks i would get to the same conclusion soon, i was already googling it lol :)
[12:02] <ivoks> newitailuve :)
[12:02] <newitailuve> ivoks know any other way?
[12:03] <Kisain> thehastrule,you there?
[12:03] <jedipottsy> ne1 else here got sound working with audigy 2?
[12:03] <ivoks> newitailuve ;) there is no such thing :)
[12:03] <eddyp> ThomasWinwood: try vim, it rocks
[12:03] <spoorweg> anybody now?
[12:03] <lewwy> jedipottsy: i have
[12:04] <ThomasWinwood> eddyp: Not likely - I've heard bad stories about both vi and emacs.
[12:04] <newitailuve> ivoks not resizable? what, i have to unmount the partition if i want to resize it?
[12:04] <eddyp> ThomasWinwood: I said vim = vi improved
[12:04] <newitailuve> ivoks that is the worst thing that could happen right now :/:(
[12:05] <ivoks> newitailuve why? there is a log live distros
[12:05] <ivoks> eddyp vimtutor
[12:05] <eddyp> ivoks: nah! lame
[12:05] <ivoks> vim je zakon!
[12:05] <ivoks> don't have any other gods, besides vim
[12:05] <orathon> well all i have to go now, live long and prosper! :D
[12:05] <ivoks> eddyp i had one with over 600 pages
[12:05] <ivoks> :)
[12:05] <spoorweg> what to do whit a "GRUB: hard disk error" ???
[12:06] <orathon> bye..
[12:06] <hybrid_goth> i saw a VIM tutorial on digg
[12:06] <hybrid_goth> h.o and i will get it to yoy
[12:06] <newitailuve> ivoks i didn't understand the last sentence, i'm portuguese, break it down a little :)
[12:06] <lewwy> guys
[12:06] <lewwy> whats the mixer called in gnome
[12:06] <ivoks> newitailuve there is a lot live distributions... u could use one and resize ur partition
[12:07] <ivoks> newitailuve there is even ubuntu live - live means that u don't install it, you just run it from CD
[12:07] <eddyp> ivoks: ThomasWinwood: here : http://www.vi-improved.org/tutorial.php is _THE_BEST_ vim howto
[12:07] <kent> ivoks, the person cant speak english and you introduce him/her to english with words like "u" "ur" etc. ;)
[12:08] <jedipottsy> how do i get alsamixer?
[12:08] <ivoks> kent ah, habbit
[12:08] <jedipottsy> im using gnome,
[12:09] <newitailuve> ivoks: thks, i'll try it with knoppix live
[12:09] <newitailuve> ivoks: one last thing: i was installing qtparted right now, that wouldn't have worked either, would it?
[12:10] <hybrid_goth> anyone here give me a quick howto with mac-fdisk to make a partitoin to dual boot gentoo
[12:10] <ivoks> newitailuve gparted and qtparted are just graphical user interfaces (GUI) for parted
[12:10] <newitailuve> k, i thought so, just getting desperate here :)
[12:10] <newitailuve> thks anyway
[12:10] <critterd> Does anyone know of a good gui in synaptic for p2p file sharing??
[12:10] <newitailuve> live cd it is
[12:12] <hybrid_goth> critterd: bittornadoe-gui
[12:12] <critterd> Thats in Synaptic?
[12:12] <brenton> anyone here have OOo2 base on ubuntu??
[12:12] <Zen> yo all.. what do you think of 3ddesktop?
[12:13] <Zen> is it worth it?
[12:13] <ivoks> brenton i have ooo2
[12:13] <Zen> or is it a totaly useless prog
[12:13] <ivoks> zen no
[12:13] <ivoks> useless
[12:13] <Zen> heh
[12:13] <brenton> ivoks, but do you have OOo2 base?
[12:13] <Zen> thought so
[12:13] <Zen> =)
[12:13] <ivoks> brenton yes
[12:13] <spoorweg> what to do about a grub hard disk error? http://img193.echo.cx/my.php?image=pict00721it.jpg
[12:13] <ivoks> brenton it isn't in menu, but u can start it
[12:13] <brenton> i installed OOo2 from a some repository, but it didn't come with base for some reason
[12:13] <eddyp> does synaptic support debtags?
[12:13] <brenton> oh really?
[12:14] <brenton> is there a reason it's not in the menu?
[12:14] <ivoks> brenton it's 1.9 still
[12:14] <jedipottsy> can someone help me get audigy sound working under Ubantu (not kubantu)
[12:14] <hybrid_goth> critterd: yes
[12:15] <brenton> ok, i guess that makes sense. i was just confused when all the other OOo2 stuff showed up after the install
[12:15] <brenton> so how do i run it?  ooffice2 -base?
[12:16] <jedipottsy> can someone help me get soudn working on Ubantu (not kubantu)
[12:16] <jedipottsy> i have audigy 2
[12:16] <siimo> anyone know of ubuntu archive mirrors on US west
[12:17] <ThomasWinwood> eddyp: Okay, you've converted me. I'll inhale that tutorial tomorrow.
[12:17] <ivoks> brenton start writer and go to new -> database :)
[12:17] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood vim you have to learn
[12:18] <ivoks> u'll be cursed if you don't learn it
[12:18] <anethema> haha i dont know vim either
[12:18] <anethema> i hate that a text editor has a learning curve :( but people do good stuff with it
[12:18] <hybrid_goth> me either b/c nano pwns
[12:18] <anethema> haha yeah i use nano
[12:18] <hybrid_goth> :D
[12:18] <anethema> nano/pico
[12:19] <hybrid_goth> yup
[12:19] <ivoks> lol
[12:19] <ivoks> nano pico
[12:19] <anethema> it sucks compared to vim
[12:19] <eddyp> ThomasWinwood: well, in the end see, we will :)
[12:19] <anethema> but its sooo much easier to use
[12:19] <ivoks> anethema not
[12:19] <hybrid_goth> nano is alot nicer then vim
[12:19] <ivoks> lol
[12:19] <anethema> i doubt it
[12:19] <alex21> i don't find superkaramba in repository
[12:19] <anethema> its easier to use
[12:19] <anethema> but when you see an experiance vim guy programming away in c
[12:19] <aVeedo> at least nano doesnt have an anoying black bar like quanta and the other "graphical" ones
[12:19] <alex21> anyone known where could i fount it ?
[12:19] <eddyp> hybrid_goth: you don't know what you're talking about
[12:19] <anethema> its amazing how fast shit gets done
[12:19] <hybrid_goth> *nicer* not powerful
[12:20] <jedipottsy> ok im on kubantu how do i get sound to work?
[12:20] <ivoks> anethema imagine him doing that shit in pico :))))
[12:20] <anethema> haha yeah right
[12:20] <hybrid_goth> eddyp: i said it is nicer you have to give it that but power goes to vim
[12:20] <anethema> vim is amazing..just so hard and annoying to learn :(
[12:20] <anethema> one day
[12:20] <aVeedo> turn it up?  Liik in multimedia
[12:20] <veritas> ivoks, I still haven't gotten it working :(
[12:20] <ivoks> so... what's easier for him?
[12:20] <ivoks> veritas ?
[12:20] <veritas> Of course I haven't done anything sine I last talked to you
[12:20] <eddyp> hybrid_goth: vim is nice once you know the basics :D
[12:20] <metalsand> ;)
[12:20] <ivoks> lol
[12:20] <aVeedo> quick question: is there any way to get read of the annoying black bar in text editors?
[12:21] <aVeedo> you cant see to type
[12:21] <anethema> black bar?
[12:21] <ivoks> and who are u?
[12:21] <eddyp> anethema: use the link I gave earlier
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> eddyp: but what do u hafta learb with nano?
[12:21] <aVeedo> yeah.  It covers up whatever line your curser is on
[12:21] <anethema> what link what do you mean
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> :-)
[12:21] <alex21> apt-cache search gkrellm
[12:21] <alex21> ksim - System information monitor
[12:21] <mindmedic> jedipottsy, sound should work for most chipsets... if you ask questions be specific about your problems. include your soundcards chip for example
[12:21] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:21] <eddyp> anethema: http://www.vi-improved.org/tutorial.php
[12:21] <jedipottsy> ok im on kubantu how do i get sound to work? im using audigy 2 zs sound card and 6.1 logitech speakers
[12:21] <Muffie> nite all
[12:21] <eddyp> hybrid_goth: that is correct
[12:22] <hybrid_goth> :D
[12:22] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:22] <hybrid_goth> i wanna learn vim though
[12:22] <aVeedo> black bar... I'm going to cry if it wont go away.
[12:22] <lewwy> jedipottsy: see the speaker icon down the bottom right?
[12:22] <eddyp> hybrid_goth: http://www.vi-improved.org/tutorial.php
[12:22] <mindmedic> have you got any sound?
[12:22] <critterd> I havent a clue how to install.gz or tar files . Does anyone knowof a good GUI P2P already in synaptic
[12:22] <jedipottsy> yeah
[12:22] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:22] <Muffie> I have used sudo apt-get install fglrx... But glxinfo | grep direct keeps me showing that Direct rendering is not active. What else should I do?
[12:22] <lewwy> you want to get into the mixer
[12:22] <aVeedo> I see some p2p apps in internet
[12:22] <ivoks> guys
[12:22] <mindmedic> cool, problem solved
[12:22] <ivoks> going to bed
[12:22] <aVeedo> you might have to isntall them
[12:22] <eddyp> hybrid_goth: anethema: that is the _BEST_ tutorial I even saw for vim
[12:22] <hybrid_goth> ok
[12:22] <ivoks> eddyp nope
[12:23] <eddyp> Muffie: modify the xorg.conf
[12:23] <lewwy> jedipottsy: once you are in KMix, click switches up the top, and then light up the button that says "Audigy Analog/Digit"
[12:23] <eddyp> ivoks: why nope?
[12:23] <thechitowncubs> im atttempting to install BF vietnam :)
[12:23] <Muffie> eddyp, Ok, but I dont need to start fglrx module? lsmod does not show it
[12:23] <aVeedo> I amde the hot keys for the first + and -
[12:23] <metalsand> ivoks
[12:23] <aVeedo> right click, you'll see it
[12:23] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:23] <metalsand> It's metalsand
[12:23] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:23] <ivoks> eddyp there was one in 8 chapters
[12:23] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:23] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:23] <eddyp> Muffie: that, too
[12:23] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:23] <ivoks> eddyp one chappter every week
[12:23] <metalsand> Remember, uber newb install of wlan-ng drivers
[12:23] <critterd> aVeedo Im clueless to linux right now. I havent a clue how to install programs from the net. Its not like clicking a exe file and it install..
[12:23] <lewwy> Alex21!
[12:23] <ivoks> eddyp it coverd everything
[12:23] <lewwy> SHUTUP
[12:23] <Muffie> eddyp, How can I do that?
[12:23] <jedipottsy> nope
[12:23] <ivoks> eddyp even writing macros
[12:23] <aVeedo> I mean, go to
[12:23] <ivoks> :)
[12:23] <jedipottsy> still not working
[12:24] <alex21> lewwy, !!!
[12:24] <ivoks> but...
[12:24] <metalsand> brb
[12:24] <Muffie> eddyp, is there a HOWto somewhere?
[12:24] <alex21> answer me
[12:24] <alex21> :D
[12:24] <ivoks> bye... good night
[12:24] <aVeedo> system -> add/remove programs
[12:24] <alex21> why gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> eddyp: ty
[12:24] <aVeedo> I recomend gtk-gnutella if it's there..I havnt gotten around to installing it yet
[12:24] <mindmedic> alex21, how do you type so FAST..
[12:24] <mindmedic> :))))))))))
[12:24] <eddyp> ivoks: I feel that one needs a way to go over the basiscs fast
[12:24] <aVeedo> pm and I'll tell you how to "build" programs from source.  It's really easy.
[12:24] <lewwy> Alex21: its a very simple solution.  just hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> mindmedic: tutorials
[12:24] <critterd> TY
[12:24] <alex21> FAST and FURIOUS
[12:24] <eddyp> Muffie: modprobe fgfx
[12:25] <alex21> lewwy, rm -rf /
[12:25] <jedipottsy> im not using digital out
[12:25] <hybrid_goth> mindmedic: my junior high made us take them last year
[12:25] <mindmedic> hybrid_goth, what?
[12:25] <alex21> lewwy, >/dev/null&
[12:25] <jedipottsy> im using standard leads (no optical)
[12:25] <lewwy> jedipottsy: neither am i, but i makes it work
[12:25] <hybrid_goth> mindmedic: all those typing tutorials
[12:25] <alex21> lewwy, u're h4x0r
[12:25] <alex21> why gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:25] <alex21> why gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:25] <anethema> im doing vi tutorial! heheh
[12:25] <mindmedic> ohh, yeah theyre cool
[12:25] <hybrid_goth> me 2
[12:25] <lewwy> and a 1337 one at that!
[12:25] <aVeedo> so has anybody removed the black bar in their install?
[12:25] <eddyp> hybrid_goth: np
[12:26] <alex21> why gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:26] <hybrid_goth> mindmedic: i hated them because i dont use the home row bs i use modified hunt and peck :D
[12:26] <lewwy> jedipottsy: notice how it says analog/digit?
[12:26] <lewwy> ffs!
[12:26] <Muffie> eddyp, and to set it to automatically start in boot?
[12:26] <ThomasWinwood> I type with my two first fingers.
[12:26] <lewwy> alex21: if you want it in the repositry, go FIND a repositry that has it
[12:26] <ThomasWinwood> I know where the keys are, but never get around to using any more than two fingers.
[12:26] <eddyp> Muffie: edit /etc/modules
[12:26] <LinuxJones> alex21, have you done sudo apt-get update
[12:26] <ThomasWinwood> I'm actually pretty fast at it.
[12:26] <eddyp> Muffie: add it there
[12:26] <Muffie> eddyp, Nice. Thanks! :)
[12:27] <jedipottsy> neither works
[12:27] <jedipottsy> on or off
[12:27] <alex21> LinuxJones, i have this repository
[12:27] <alex21> deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[12:27] <alex21> deb-src http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[12:27] <alex21> LinuxJones, alredy done
[12:27] <alex21> what do u have u ?=
[12:27] <eddyp> Muffie: maybe there is a ubuntu--click-click-way of doing that, but I am a Debian user
[12:27] <LinuxJones> alex21, you need to add universe to that line
[12:28] <eddyp> alex21: and probably multiverse :)
[12:28] <Muffie> eddyp, Ok. I preffer this way. Im using Gentoo and Ubuntu on the Desktop. Debian Sarge on my server!
[12:29] <eddyp> Muffie: :)
[12:29] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: please help me
[12:29] <eddyp> Muffie: I thought you were a rookie
[12:29] <Muffie> i am
[12:29] <Muffie> eddyp, Newbie in Linux.
[12:29] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, What do you need?
[12:30] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: i have been tryin to partition ubuntu to let me dual boot gentoo how do i go about this
[12:30] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, How many disks you got? Single one?
[12:30] <hybrid_goth> yes
[12:30] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, Windows too?
[12:30] <eddyp> Muffie: damn, that is wack!
[12:30] <eddyp> :)
[12:30] <Muffie> :)
[12:30] <alex21> what are the differece from universe and multiverse ?
[12:30] <critterd> I D/L bittornado-gui_0.3.11-4_all.deb . New to linux. How do I install this to actull use it?
[12:31] <kanuha> Can anyone tell me the program to modify your mouse butons?
[12:31] <Muffie> eddyp: Is it possible to put more than 4 primary partitions in a disk?
[12:31] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, How many partitions do you have right now?
[12:31] <^thehatsrule^> Muffie, yes
[12:31] <orathon> hey iam watching matrix now :P getting some abitions :P
[12:31] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: 4
[12:31] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, copy/paste your partitions in #flood
[12:31] <jedipottsy> it says soundserver crashed (artsd)
[12:31] <eddyp> Muffie: not on i386, but you can use logical ones, why would you need more than 4?
[12:31] <anethema> wheeee vim tutorials
[12:31] <jedipottsy> whats that mean?
[12:31] <LinuxJones> alex21, universe is unsupported free software multiverse has questionable legal restraints
[12:32] <stuNNed> critterd: there is also gnome-btdownload
[12:32] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, fdisk /dev/hda then press p. Copy/Paste the result
[12:32] <judge> hi is anyone else having usb-storage problems in ubntu?
[12:32] <judge> i plug in usb storage drives
[12:32] <judge> it loads usb-storage module
[12:32] <judge> but doesn't add the /dev/sd* files
[12:32] <judge> just prints out name of the device in kernel log :(
[12:32] <orathon> dudes dont tell me that matrix code is a Real code :s
[12:32] <Muffie> eddyp, My gentoo uses 3: SWAP, BOOT and /. The Window partition takes the fourth. Ubuntu is on the second disk...
[12:33] <stuNNed> judge: sure it will use /dev/sd* and not something else?
[12:33] <judge> it doesnt use anything
[12:33] <critterd> stuNNed is that a simple install????
[12:33] <stuNNed> critterd: yes
[12:33] <judge> generally something is printed out in the kernel logs
[12:33] <judge> about partitions, etc
[12:33] <stuNNed> critterd: apt-get install gnome-btdownload but mind you it's only a bittorrent downloader
[12:34] <critterd> stuNNed. Thats not what im looking for I need GUI p2p
[12:34] <stuNNed> critterd: might want to look into giFT or mldonkey then
[12:34] <Muffie> Is it possible to share the SWAP partition between two Linux installations?
[12:35] <LinuxJones> Muffie, yeah
[12:35] <Muffie> thats nice!
[12:35] <LinuxJones> ;)
[12:35] <critterd> stuNNEd are they in synaptic
[12:35] <stuNNed> critterd: afaik yes
[12:36] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, Create hda1 as a swap partition. Install gentoo creating hda2 (boot) and hda3(/). After that, you can install Ubuntu with hda4 as (/) and hda1 as swap...
[12:36] <critterd> ok ty will try it
[12:37] <stuNNed> critterd: there is a web interface frontend to mldonkey you probably want to use.  with giFT you need to install the plugins for it for other networks
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> 1: 0 to Muffie: wont i lose my data
[12:37] <stuNNed> critterd: don't use them that much so my exp is limited, sorry
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: will i lose data
[12:38] <benz240> how do i uninstall the fgrlx drivers
[12:38] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, hmmm... Try to copy/paste the result of fdisk using middle mouse button. In xfce (if I can remember) you should select the terminal text, and click with the middle mouse button where you want the text to be pasted
[12:38] <stuNNed> benz240: how did you install them, from a .deb?
[12:38] <benz240> no from the apt-get thing
[12:38] <stuNNed> benz240: apt-get remove packagename
[12:39] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: hda1 is apple hda2 is hfs hda3 is ext3 and hda4 is swap
[12:39] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: i am on a mac
[12:39] <Muffie> Apple? what architecture are you using? PPC?
[12:39] <Muffie> ahhh
[12:39] <critterd> stuNNed neither is in synaptic
[12:39] <stuNNed> benz240: then you probably want to run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' again
[12:39] <hybrid_goth> let me see if i got a real mouse
[12:39] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, Well... Whats on hd2?
[12:40] <Muffie> hda2
[12:40] <critterd> I just installed Ubuntu 5.04
[12:40] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: isnt ppc the only thing apple uses
[12:40] <hybrid_goth> Muffie:hda2 is hfs
[12:40] <|QuaD-> anyone know of a decent gui latex editor?
[12:40] <stuNNed> critterd: did you enable the universe and multiverse repo's?
[12:40] <benz240> ok now how do i install the open source ati drivers
[12:40] <critterd> No .. How ?
[12:40] <hybrid_goth> brb
[12:41] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, Well. You cant have more than 4 primary partitions. I have gentoo and Ubuntu in different disks. (GENTOO + WINDOWS in one) and Ubuntu at the second...
[12:41] <stuNNed> benz240: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:41] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, I should take another disk, or remove one of your partitions.
[12:41] <LinuxJones> critterd, have a look here you need to add the universe repository >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:42] <critterd> ok will do
[12:42] <benz240> should i enable framebufffer device interface?
[12:42] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: what would i remove ? i removed one once and lost ubuntu
[12:42] <benz240> im running this on a thinkpad with an ATi Fire GL T2
[12:47] <lewwy> sif curse ps2 mice!
[12:49] <|QuaD-_> is there a gtk wysiwyg latex editor?
[12:49] <^thehatsrule^> kdevelop perhaps?
[12:49] <Dalkus> er, is google down?
[12:49] <cocacola> hello
[12:50] <cocacola> is anybody using dcpp?
[12:50] <flex_> did something happen to google
[12:50] <Dalkus> flex_, its down for you too?
[12:51] <flex_> yeah
[12:51] <jedipottsy> ok, i still dont have sound working, and i have enabled audigy analoge/digital in the mixer
[12:51] <|QuaD-_> anyone wanna help me figure out whats wrong with my dhcleint?
[12:52] <hybrid_goth> google is down here too
[12:52] <Quest-Master> wow
[12:52] <Quest-Master> I thought it was a problem on my end
[12:53] <|QuaD-_> what would cause this in my syslog? kernel: bridge-eth0: disabling the bridge
[12:53] <|QuaD-_> kernel: bridge-eth0: down
[12:53] <|QuaD-_> dhclient: receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down
[12:54] <aVeedo> what is your favorite dvd/cd writer?
[12:55] <hybrid_goth> graveman
[12:55] <jedipottsy> ok when i go to the terminal and type
[12:55] <jedipottsy> alsamixer
[12:55] <jedipottsy> the mixer appears
[12:55] <jedipottsy> but it says the default hardware (nvidia - NOT my audigy)
[12:55] <jedipottsy> how do i change to audigy?
[12:56] <^thehatsrule^> my google is up
[12:57] <Chrysaor> still down here
[12:58] <Quest-Master> Still down here as well
[12:58] <^thehatsrule^> :S
[12:59] <tiggggr> maybe some dns problems
[12:59] <tiggggr> becouse numeric ip works, google -> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[01:00] <h|barbobot> it is a dns problem
[01:00] <xc> my desktop disappeared and I can't get it back... all the files and shortcuts I had on it are gone and right clicking on it doesn't do anything either :/
[01:00] <h|barbobot> they'll be up in an little under an hour
[01:01] <kent> my google is down :(
[01:01] <CargolNet> I suppose you can't change the printer name yet, can you? from the graphical interface I mean
[01:01] <xc> the files are still in my Dekstop folder though
[01:01] <Quest-Master> The numerical IP works for me
[01:01] <sysrq> no, DNS is down, you can still access google via <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:02] <Chrysaor> xc: check your nautilus settings, probably show desktop is on
[01:03] <stuNNed> xc: go to applications -> run then type 'killall nautilus' should make everything come back
[01:03] <thully> google isn't working for me either... I'll try the ip
[01:04] <h|barbobot> Google is having dns problems they will be back up in under an hour
[01:04] <thechitowncubs> it was just down
[01:04] <thechitowncubs> its up
[01:04] <xc> stuNNed: that didn't do anything
[01:05] <xc> btw the desktop disappeared after I used the take screenshot feature and tried to right click on the png
[01:05] <thechitowncubs> hey, i have a question, i have an application called Xlink Kai, right now i just execute a startup script and it starts a gui, but there are 2 guis i want to pick from, is it easy to create a small app that asks me what GUI I want to use then execute that shell script?
[01:05] <thechitowncubs> like a small window w/ 2 buttons
[01:05] <devnull> thechitowncubs, shouldn't be to hard
[01:05] <Funraiser> If I want to install an deb app I type sudo "dpkg -i thefile.deb" right?
[01:05] <thechitowncubs> where would I go to learn how to do it?
[01:05] <thechitowncubs> I have Glade...
[01:06] <xc> ohhh now it's back
[01:06] <devnull> well  you have many languages to pick from
[01:06] <xc> stuNNed: I just started nautilus instead of killing it, and it came back
[01:06] <stuNNed> xc: good deal, glad it's back :)
[01:06] <thechitowncubs> I want it to be as simple as possible :)
[01:06] <brenton> anyone know how to install jbdc on ubuntu?
[01:06] <xc> thanks :)
[01:06] <devnull> i would check out gtk's language bindings and pick a scripting language
[01:06] <thechitowncubs> What do you mean?
[01:06] <brenton> i mean jdbc
[01:06] <thechitowncubs> Which one do you recommend for it
[01:07] <thechitowncubs> just a small app w/ two buttons
[01:07] <devnull> i would write your little app with a scripting language instead of c/c++
[01:07] <Funraiser> google is down?
[01:07] <jedipottsy> how do i get a compiler?
[01:07] <thechitowncubs> back up
[01:07] <sir-gold> 10 print "choose a gui" | 20 input $choice | 30 goto $choice
[01:07] <devnull> you could check out perl-gtk
[01:07] <jedipottsy> i need a c compiler because i need to add this command
[01:07] <jedipottsy>  sudo ./configure --with-cards=emu10k1 --with-sequencer=yes
[01:08] <Funraiser> hey Ubuntians: i want to install grapevine. I have the .deb so i type sudo dpkg -i grapevine.deb?
[01:08] <sir-gold> yes Funraiser
[01:08] <Funraiser> thanks
[01:08] <devnull> thechitowncubs, if you go to gtk+'s website you should be able to find some examples
[01:08] <thechitowncubs> sir-gold: What is that?
[01:08] <ThomasWinwood> When you rightclick on a panel there's an option saying "Add to panel". Are those desklets?
[01:08] <flex_> why doesnt bass work in the volume control
[01:08] <thechitowncubs> Those are applets, thomas
[01:08] <sir-gold> thechitowncubs that was IBM tape basic, i was being funny
[01:09] <thechitowncubs> oh i thought i struck gold
[01:09] <ThomasWinwood> Ah.
[01:09] <stuNNed> jedipottsy: apt-get install build-essential
[01:09] <devnull> thecito: i will brb if you have any more questions just msg me
[01:09] <devnull> thechitowncubs, rather
[01:10] <thechitowncubs> What do you guys recommend for me to learn how
[01:10] <thechitowncubs> k
[01:10] <devnull> there could be some gui designer that will also help you with the code
[01:10] <devnull> i suggest looking up perl-gtk
[01:10] <sir-gold> thechitowncubs if you are doing this from a terminal, you don't really need a gui chooser
[01:10] <hybrid_goth> google is back
[01:10] <hybrid_goth> bbl
[01:10] <jedipottsy> thnx
[01:11] <thechitowncubs> right now i have it working good with both GUIS, if i change the shell script manually
[01:11] <thechitowncubs> i have an icon on my gnome menu
[01:12] <Dalkus> Ummm.....
[01:12] <thechitowncubs> and it launches the engine, sleeps for 5s then launches the specified gui
[01:12] <sir-gold> what i saying is that you could modify the script more you just need some way to present a choice, and then a goto
[01:12] <ThomasWinwood> How do I specify a path for gcc when doing ./configure?
[01:12] <Dalkus> My LAN IP has changed - and I didn't change it
[01:12] <Dalkus> what the hell....?
[01:12] <thechitowncubs> lol
[01:12] <thechitowncubs> DHCP
[01:12] <sir-gold> if you don't mind the script poping up a test window with a text menu
[01:12] <sir-gold> text
[01:12] <thechitowncubs> sir-gold, i have no idea how to do that
[01:12] <thechitowncubs> I just want a way to choose
[01:13] <thechitowncubs> i thought a simple glade app would do the trick
[01:13] <thechitowncubs> but i guess that would to
[01:13] <thechitowncubs> o
[01:13] <sir-gold> neither do i in linux, i could do it in a dos batch file tho
[01:13] <sir-gold> hmm, dos batch file running through wine....
[01:13] <thechitowncubs> lol, uck
[01:13] <stuNNed> lol
[01:14] <devnull> you can probably do something through a shell script that could launch a basic x gui
[01:14] <thechitowncubs> x gui?
[01:14] <sir-gold> yeah, shell script, thats what i was thinking of
[01:14] <abood> hi all
[01:14] <flex_> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:14] <resiak> sir-gold, thechitowncubs: gmessage!
[01:14] <stuNNed> hi abood
[01:14] <flex_> how can I get universe
[01:15] <abood> guys, how do i accsess gnome desktop manager for settings it up ?
[01:15] <devnull> thechitowncubs, there are ways to make a window in X withought qt or gtk
[01:15] <abood> from a terminal plz
[01:15] <thechitowncubs> gmessage?
[01:15] <thechitowncubs> ahh
[01:15] <devnull> try one of the message command
[01:15] <critterd> DOes anyone know what is the default file path to open progams that synaptic instalss?
[01:15] <sir-gold> abood, you mean x.org setup? to chage graphics settings?
[01:15] <thechitowncubs> I have very little experience with shell scripts
[01:15] <scotth> I'm cureious, what is the best way to assemble a raid fron a drive that used to be in a raid(on another install) and a drive that you just partitioned?  Is there any way to do this and get the original raid data back?  Its a raid1
[01:15] <critterd> installs
[01:16] <resiak> thechitowncubs: No time like the present to learn ;-)
[01:16] <stuNNed> abood: from a terminal?  not really sure besides editing the text files, in the gui it's gdmconfig or gdmsetup
[01:17] <hyperbole> help people... google is offline :(
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> I wish I could learn, could you point me in the right direction
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> google is back up
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> has been for a few minutes
[01:17] <hyperbole> it is? :O
[01:17] <abood> sir-gold,  my proplem is that when i change me GDM settings its doesnt change, i get the Debian Standered GDM window i dont know whats the proplem, and when i try to open the login screen setup from the x it gives me that my password is wrong
[01:17] <abood> i dont know why that
[01:17] <devnull> thechitowncubs, check out the docs for xmessage
[01:17] <Chrysaor> gmail working for anyone?
[01:18] <critterd> Is there even a default file path to the programs that synaptic installs?
[01:18] <scotth> Chrysaor, google is aparently having problems
[01:18] <hyperbole> synaptic is just a shell for apt, isn't it?
[01:18] <Ironfrost> hi - I have a problem with my USB drive
[01:18] <hyperbole> then I guess no
[01:18] <sir-gold> hyperbole yes
[01:19] <sir-gold> there is a default path for where it stores the .deb files
[01:19] <abood> sir-gold,  did u c my last msg bro, any comments ?
[01:19] <Ironfrost> it doesn't appear when I insert it
[01:19] <sir-gold> but the install path is set by the .deb
[01:19] <Ironfrost> the device manager (or whatever it's called) sees a USB device, but not the drive
[01:19] <hyperbole> then propably it doesn't have a mount point
[01:20] <Ironfrost> I tried it in a Windows machine and it told me I needed to format it
[01:20] <devnull> thechitowncubs: xmessage -buttons gui1:1,gui2:2 "which gui"
[01:20] <Ironfrost> but I didn't have admin rights so I couldn't
[01:20] <hyperbole> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[01:20] <sir-gold> abood the only thing i can suggest is 'apt-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[01:20] <fortran01> Gmail is down. yahoo!
[01:20] <sir-gold> i don't know if that will have what you need
[01:20] <critterd> Thats my biggest problem with being new to linux.. Windows. Is simple to install programs . ANd there is no problem finding the execution program. I think Linux is to crytic for us newbies
[01:20] <flex_> why cant I access universe with synaptic
[01:21] <flex_> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:21] <jedipottsy> yay i got sound working  :D
[01:21] <Ironfrost> so what I think I have to do is to format the drive (I tried mounting it and it didn't work, and because Windows cannot see it either I think it's not a Linux problem)
[01:21] <abood> ok thx i will  try to reconfige it
[01:21] <jedipottsy> now, is there anyway to have 1280x1024 resolution?
[01:22] <sir-gold> jedipottsy 'apt-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[01:22] <Kisain> can't figure out gproftpd :(
[01:22] <sir-gold> add that res to the list of allowed reses
[01:22] <jedipottsy> apt-reconfigure dont work
[01:22] <stuNNed> sir-gold: afaik it's dpkg-reconfigure
[01:23] <sir-gold> gah, yeah dpkg-reconfigure
[01:23] <sir-gold> not apt
[01:23] <sir-gold> its apt-everthingelse
[01:24] <hyperbole> google is back!
[01:24] <sir-gold> don't mind me, i only installed ubuntu 2 days ago
[01:24] <flex_> fixed
[01:25] <thechitowncubs> gmessage is confusing
[01:25] <thechitowncubs> I don't see how I can get it to execute a command
[01:25] <sbcl3_> where can i place ttf files in order for them to work?
[01:25] <sbcl3_> where is the fonts folder?
[01:25] <critterd> It's All confusing AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
[01:26] <thechitowncubs> not really
[01:26] <critterd> Yea Really
[01:26] <sir-gold> sbcl3_ /home/youruser/.fonts
[01:26] <stuNNed> critterd: read up at the wiki page dude
[01:26] <critterd> DID I got the multiverse and univers  working
[01:27] <devnull> thechitowncubs ... you will need to use xmessage and a script to do what you want
[01:27] <critterd> Just cant find the dam programs to run them
[01:27] <jedipottsy> mozilla keeps closing
[01:27] <jedipottsy> should i re-install ff?
[01:28] <sbcl3_> how do i unzip a tarball? i forget the four letters...
[01:28] <devnull> tar xvf
[01:28] <jedipottsy> help - firefox keeps closing when i try to load a web page
[01:28] <flex_> how do you set prefered apps
[01:29] <sir-gold> tar command line switches- the ugly underbelly of linux
[01:30] <devnull> hehe
[01:30] <sbcl3_> sir-gold: i don't seem to have that folder
[01:30] <devnull> youv got a point there
[01:30] <sir-gold> what is wrong with have an untar command with those switches as default?
[01:30] <Kisain> anyone know how to use gproftpd?
[01:30] <Kisain> it's bein stupid or maybe i am :(
[01:30] <devnull> that would be to easy
[01:30] <sir-gold> sbcl3_ create it
[01:31] <[noobuntu] > anyone here who knows to configure the default alse sound device properly?
[01:31] <jedipottsy> whats the difference between mozilla browser and firefox browser?
[01:32] <ThomasWinwood> Mozilla isn't being developed.
[01:32] <ThomasWinwood> Firefox is.
[01:32] <sir-gold> mozilla has a mail client
[01:32] <amonkey> firefox=standalone
[01:32] <sir-gold> mozilla=ugly
[01:33] <sbcl3_> sir-gold: thanks
[01:34] <[noobuntu] > help me i have too many soundcards!!
[01:34] <stuNNed> [noobuntu] : go into your bios and disable onboard sound?
[01:35] <[noobuntu] > stuNNed, i want to, but there is definitely NO option to do this..
[01:35] <icebalm> [noobuntu] : don't buy substandard components next time
[01:37] <[noobuntu] > stuNNed, merci bien... normally it should not be a problem to set the second card as default...
[01:37] <[noobuntu] > but here it is
[01:37] <newitailuve> noobuntu ill give you my address and you send me the surplus soundcards, what do you say? :D
[01:39] <[noobuntu] > newitailuve, ok, you get my onboard...
[01:39] <JanC> if there is no bios option there might be a jumper on your mobo...
[01:40] <sir-gold> i spent 2 days once trying to get alsa working, only to discover that the onboard sound was disabled...
[01:41] <[noobuntu] > oh, please! no more jumper action... is tthere no way to configure alsa to use only the second card?
[01:41] <Quest-Master> That had to suck sir-gold
[01:41] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : sec.
[01:41] <abbot45> i spent a day trying to get my alsa working, but then found out my plugs were in the wrong spots.
[01:41] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : which two cards?
[01:41] <abbot45> which is weird because they were working fine in mandrake
[01:42] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : (i.e., what's the output of cat /proc/asound/cards? Use #flood)
[01:43] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : so you don't want the cmi to be primary?
[01:44] <thully> crimsun: I don't think you're going to have to repackage anything from marillat... since Ubuntu Backports already did (in a separate repo than the backports themselves)
[01:44] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : echo "options snd-cmipci index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[01:44] <[noobuntu] > crimsun, no, i want  FM801AU its a good terratec card!
[01:45] <crimsun> thully: ok, good to know. Thanks for the heads-up.
[01:46] <jedipottsy> HELP
[01:46] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : ok, good. Now log out of GNOME, log into a console (ctrl+alt+F1), and execute ,,sudo /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload''
[01:46] <thully> Some people expressed doubts over the quality of those packages (mostly because they remembered the backports problems from a while ago) but they seem to work much better than downloading .debs of Marillat's FTP and using apt-pinning heavily.
[01:46] <jedipottsy> firefox shuts down for no reason
[01:46] <jedipottsy> when ever i go to load a page it just shuts down
[01:46] <jedipottsy> no error message
[01:46] <jedipottsy> some sites work
[01:46] <[noobuntu] > crimsun, k, 'll be back
[01:46] <crimsun> thully: is UB using 1.0pre7?
[01:46] <devnull> that sounds fun
[01:47] <devnull> reinsall firefox
[01:47] <jedipottsy> like the ubunto forum, but not sites like driverheaven
[01:47] <thully> Mplayer?  I don't think they have Mplayer
[01:47] <jedipottsy> done tht, lost my firefox icons but still happens
[01:47] <crimsun> thully: sorry, whichever site you were referring to
[01:47] <thully> However - note, the repo. mentioned in RestrictedFormats does not have gstreamer stuff yet.
[01:48] <jedipottsy> happens with mozilla browser aswell
[01:48] <thully> And I don't think that they have Mplayer - regardless, that would be in the backports section (since it is a new version of something in Hoary) and not in the extras section (which just adds to the package selection)
[01:49] <brenton> how do i add something to my shell's classpath in ubuntu??
[01:49] <brenton> it's not liking setenv
[01:49] <crimsun> brenton: add it (export it) to ~/.bashrc
[01:50] <thully> I also retired all the Warty-specific instructions in the wiki (as many may be broken now) and said at the top of the page that the instructions are for Hoary and some may work for Warty and some may not...
[01:50] <crimsun> brenton: Ubuntu uses bash, which honours export, not csh's setenv
[01:50] <brenton> thanks
[01:50] <brenton> ok
[01:50] <crimsun> thully: great, thanks for clarifying that there
[01:50] <occy> crimsun, got a good networking printing howto?  I've tried to follow this:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions  ->  How can I share my printer on my LAN?   But it doesn't seem to work.
[01:51] <occy> Got my desktop setup to print.  <IP_ADDRESS>   and I've got a laptop I'm trying to print from, to the Desktop.
[01:51] <thully> Anyway, most people who want multimedia on Warty already have it - as very few people are going to be doing fresh Warty installs now...
[01:51] <jedipottsy> is there a free cedega?
[01:51] <crimsun> occy: 'lo, we keep missing each other. Sorry, don't have one off the top of my head.
[01:51] <occy> You'd think GNOME would have some easy clicky clicky network printing stuff with cups
[01:52] <occy> crimsun, howdy.  np bud.  ;)
[01:53] <thully> does anyone know where I would suggest UI/font tweaks for the next release...
[01:53] <Exposure> cups IS clickety click, try http://localhost:631
[01:53] <sbcl3_> do fonts really go in a usermade directory ./fonts?
[01:53] <crimsun> thully: on the ubuntu-devel mailing list for one
[01:53] <sbcl3_> because from xchat i can't pick any of the ones located there
[01:53] <occy> Exposure, heh.  Laptop (no printer)  printing to desktop that's on <IP_ADDRESS>  doesn't work with localhost on the laptop.
[01:53] <occy> Exposure, :P
[01:53] <crimsun> thully: though if they're gnome- or kde-specific, one also could bring up the issues on those mailing lists
[01:54] <JoshRA> hey how can i set the shell encodeing to be used on both gnome and kde i can not find out how
[01:54] <Exposure> occy: both are on linux?
[01:54] <occy> Exposure, but of course.
[01:54] <occy> :)
[01:54] <occy> both are Ubuntu
[01:54] <thully> I'm not going to be using breezy (at least until it gets fairly stable.)
[01:55] <Exposure> occy: does the printer show up when you type smbclient -L <desktop> ?
[01:55] <segphault> I've asked here a couple of times before and never gotten answer... figured I'd try one more time:
[01:55] <segphault> how do I make sawfish the default window manager?
[01:55] <occy> october@distance:~ > smbclient -L <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:55] <occy> Error connecting to <IP_ADDRESS> (Connection refused)
[01:55] <occy> Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> failed
[01:56] <JoshRA> anyone?
[01:56] <Exposure> segphault: look at system > preferences > sessions
[01:56] <occy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions  <-- this howto doesn't mention samba
[01:56] <segphault> I've tried all the obvious things (like changing the appropriate value in gconf-editor) and changing the thing in /etc/alternatives
[01:56] <occy> Exposure, not in regards to printing it does
[01:56] <occy> errr
[01:56] <occy> it doesn't
[01:56] <Exposure> occy: try adding -U <username>
[01:57] <Exposure> occy: networkingprinting is forwarded to samba by cups
[01:57] <occy> Exposure, I don't recall setting up samba on my Ubuntu Desktop (that has the printer)
[01:57] <occy> unless smb is setup by default with Ubuntu
[01:57] <Exposure> occy: well you have to share the printer in order to use it over a network ;)
[01:57] <segphault> I've played with the sessions dialog before, but if I had 'sawfish' to startup programs, it starts metacity and gives me a message about not being able to start more than one window manager
[01:58] <occy> Exposure, have you actually done this before?  Or just making this up as you go?
[01:58] <occy> Exposure, :P
[01:58] <segphault> If I remove metacity using the session dialog, I can start sawfish, but that doesn't become persistent
[01:58] <segphault> what I want to know is where gnome is configured to start metacity. I can't seem to find any relevant scripts in /etc/X11 or anything
[01:58] <Exposure> occy: I never shared a linux printer before.. but i think this is the way to do it ;)
[01:58] <occy> Exposure, hah.  Tx for trying to help.
[01:59] <occy> :P
[01:59] <occy> :)
[01:59] <Exposure> np ;)
[01:59] <qtrr> Quick answer? Any real disavantage to doing a dist-upgrade on warty to horay insted of a clean install of horay?
[01:59] <crimsun> segphault: the x-window-manager and the gconf key both need to be set to $your_choice_of_wm
[01:59] <segphault> crimsun: already did that, it didn't work
[02:00] <sysrq> segphault: or you could just edit the gnome-session to start your WM instead of metacity
[02:00] <sysrq> which might be a bit easier
[02:00] <crimsun> qtrr: no real disadvantage, just make sure you read the update notes.
[02:00] <segphault> sysrq: where? The gnome-session-properties tool doesn't provide a mechanism for that, and metacity *isn't* in the session file
[02:01] <crimsun> segphault: look at WM=  in /usr/share/gnome/default.wm
[02:01] <segphault> the session file was the first thing I tried
[02:01] <sysrq> segphault: hrm, it was for me, that's how I replaced it with openbox
[02:01] <segphault> crimsun: I changed that too
[02:01] <bloomberg> does anyone have a username and password for the CUPS on localhost:631
[02:01] <crimsun> segphault: and you killed the gconf daemon(s)?
[02:02] <holycow> bloomberg, there is none
[02:02] <segphault> crimsun: no... but I wasn't logged in when I made those changes
[02:02] <holycow> bloomberg, thats disabled
[02:02] <JoshRA> can anyone answer my question?
[02:02] <sysrq> segphault: you might try killing the metacity process and starting your WM, then saving the gnome-session
[02:02] <holycow> use the gnome cups manager in systems menu
[02:02] <bloomberg> im trying to add a printer, and it asks for one
[02:02] <holycow> dont add a fucking printer
[02:02] <holycow> use the gnome menu editor in systems
[02:02] <segphault> sysrq: wouldn't that save a bunch of other incidental junk that gnome starts automatically?
[02:02] <segphault> sysrq: I'd like to avoid having a bunch of duplicate system processes
[02:02] <sysrq> segphault: yes, but you can remove those from the session manager as well
[02:03] <segphault> hm. I guess I'll try that.
[02:03] <[noobuntu] > crimsun,  i love you man! thank you i will not die of earcancer!
[02:03] <psychonate> I hope this distro is pretty good
[02:03] <[noobuntu] > it worked!
[02:03] <psychonate> Mandriva just made me very angry heh
[02:03] <bloomberg> holycow: are you talking about adding a printer through System -> Admin -> Printers?
[02:03] <psychonate> well, Mdk 10.1
[02:03] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : np
[02:03] <holycow> bloomberg, what else?
[02:03] <bloomberg> ok
[02:03] <holycow> :)
[02:05] <segphault> the gnome people should really consider making a config tool that makes it easier to change the WM
[02:05] <segphault> I'd bitch to them about it, but I doubt that would accomplish anything, they would probably get all derisive
[02:05] <psychonate> I prefer XFCE myself
[02:06] <jordanau> yeah i just logged on to freenode to see that my password was stolen, I then recovered it, released it, only to find that i was logged in in another window
[02:06] <yoni1> omg,irc in gaim is so cool :)
[02:06] <psychonate> but xchat has transparency :)
[02:06] <segphault> psychonate: I tried XFCE when the new version came out. It's not bad, but it's too mouse-centric for my tastes
[02:06] <jordanau> yoni1, it is nice, but i like xchat after trying both
[02:06] <holycow> segphault, why not make one sour self? python/gtk are easy enough.
[02:06] <jordanau> psychonate, it does? do you have to enable it in xorg.conf?!!
[02:06] <yoni1> jordanau: well yeah i use xchat all time, just found out gaim has support and its kinda cool ;)
[02:07] <psychonate> segphault: I like using the mouse for switching workspaces, getting window lists, etc.
[02:07] <segphault> holycow: that's a good idea. I'm not sure if the methodology for changing the config is consistant across dists
[02:07] <psychonate> jordanau: no, the option is right in xchat's preferences
[02:07] <segphault> psychonate: that's a matter of preference. I greatly prefer using keyboard for *everything*. I have manually configured almost 300 independent sawfish shortcuts. =}
[02:08] <jordanau> psychonate, non compliant window manager, i guess i do have to enable it...
[02:08] <psychonate> heh
[02:08] <psychonate> jordanau: dunno anything about that
[02:08] <psychonate> I just use the transparency offered in xchat's preferences
[02:08] <jordanau> psychonate, yeah well i think it is your fault it doesnt work j/k
[02:08] <segphault> sawfish has some weird bugs. I'd like to be able to switch to something newer, but I can't find anything I like
[02:09] <jedipottsy> how do i delete a folder i made as a root?
[02:09] <segphault> I've been working on a window management library in ruby that may make it so that I can extend metacity to the point where it behaves like sawfish. =}
[02:09] <sysrq> segphault: looked at openbox? It has customizable keybindings
[02:09] <psychonate> segphault: only time I use keyboard shortcuts is for new tabs in xchat/firefox and switching between screens in screen
[02:09] <segphault> sysrq: I haven't looked at openbox. I looked at Flux (which I was told was similar but better) and it looked promising.
[02:09] <psychonate> fluxbox is nice
[02:09] <psychonate> pretty lightweight, and it looks decent
[02:09] <segphault> I like the tabbed window thing in Flux
[02:10] <jedipottsy> how do i delete a folder i made as a root?
[02:10] <segphault> I'm really looking forward to the official release of WMII
[02:10] <sysrq> segphault: I much prefer open to flux, openbox 3 had a entire rewrite and is no longer based on the bb codebase
[02:10] <psychonate> segphault: dunno if I remember that
[02:10] <jordanau> jedipottsy, log in as root
[02:10] <jedipottsy> how do i login as root?
[02:10] <psychonate> so, this Ubuntu, is it good?
[02:10] <segphault> WMII is a tiled window manager (like ION but it doesn't suck)
[02:10] <jordanau> jedipottsy, sudo rm /folder/you/want/gone
[02:10] <psychonate> I'm downloading it now, and I don't like to be disappointed heh
[02:10] <segphault> jedipottsy: you don't, you use sudo -s and then give it your normal password
[02:11] <jordanau> segphault, yeah i misspoke
[02:11] <jordanau> segphault, thanks
[02:11] <segphault> psychonate: depends on your tastes. I'm a former debian user. I switched to ubuntu because I got tired of slow releases
[02:11] <jordanau> segphault, they froze sarge recently right?
[02:11] <crimsun> last week, yes.
[02:12] <jedipottsy> rm: cannot remove `cvs': Is a directory
[02:12] <segphault> psychonate: I have found that ubuntu is very much to my liking. It's almost exactly like debian, but it's way easier to manage, it has much better/easier hardware support/config etc
[02:12] <segphault> yeah, they just did the freeze
[02:12] <segphault> not that it means much
[02:12] <jordanau> jedipottsy, i think you have to delete recursively
[02:12] <segphault> this debian release is like a year overdue
[02:12] <jordanau> segphault, or more
[02:12] <psychonate> segphault: well, I like the amount of packages Gentoo has, and I like relatively regular updates I suppose
[02:12] <segphault> I really think they should give up on releases and just maintain a constant stream
[02:12] <sir-gold> frozen at kernel 2.4, so its frozen like a wooly mammoth
[02:12] <jedipottsy> whats that mean?
[02:12] <psychonate> segphault: I used Gentoo for a while and liked it, and I just got done trying mandrake 10.1
[02:13] <psychonate> had some problems with mdk 10.1 though
[02:13] <jordanau> jedipottsy, rm --help or man rm
[02:13] <segphault> psychonate: I would say that gentoo beats the crap out of any debian dist, but it requires more effort to maintain
[02:13] <psychonate> yeah, the latter is definitely true
[02:13] <jordanau> segphault, key word there is effort
[02:13] <bigbill52a> nickserv identify bigbill52a
[02:13] <jordanau> bigbill52a, you might want to add a /msg to that :D
[02:14] <bigbill52a> thanks
[02:14] <segphault> psychonate: you will probably be pleasantly surprised by how much easier ubuntu is to maintain, but you will probably also be dissapointed with the performance and the lack of control
[02:14] <jordanau> bigbill52a, and change your password promptly
[02:14] <psychonate> Mandrake actually had a decent amount of packages once the online sources are set up, but I had some other problems with it
[02:14] <bigbill52a> this is the first one that i could get ati drivers to work
[02:15] <musashi> i<3ubuntu
[02:15] <bigbill52a> i like the apt-listbugs...
[02:15] <psychonate> segphault: well, keep in mind, I was just using Mandrake. It's not exactly a customizer's dream
[02:15] <jordanau> bigbill52a, as an ati customer, i know i will get an nvidia next time
[02:15] <crimsun> segphault: hm, performance and lack of control?
[02:15] <jedipottsy> theres 5311 files, i cant delete all those files
[02:15] <segphault> psychonate: right, mandrake is *much* worse than ubuntu
[02:15] <segphault> psychonate: I was talking about in comparison to gentoo
[02:15] <jedipottsy> how do i just delete folder? -d did nowt
[02:15] <psychonate> yeah
[02:15] <psychonate> I hear ya
[02:15] <jordanau> jedipottsy, man rm
[02:15] <segphault> crimsun: have you ever used gentoo?
[02:16] <crimsun> segphault: sporadically.
[02:16] <segphault> crimsun: I'm not saying that ubuntu performs badly or doesn't give you a lot of control, but for someone who is used to stage one gentoo install... nothing can really compare
[02:16] <bigbill52a> i use ubuntu live to copy files from my customer's computers to an external hard drive...so that i can reinstall windows...and reinstall windows....etc, etc
[02:16] <psychonate> tbh, I didn't really care so much about the amount of control Gentoo offered as I did about the amount of packages Gentoo offered :)
[02:17] <crimsun> segphault: there were months when I mussed over LFS
[02:17] <jordanau> psychonate, a lot or few?
[02:17] <psychonate> A LOT
[02:17] <jedipottsy> # rm --directory cvs
[02:17] <jedipottsy>  - still wont delete
[02:17] <psychonate> A LOT, LOT
[02:17] <segphault> crimsun: hehe yeah, I suppose that would exceed gentoo for control/performance
[02:17] <abbot45> bigbill52a do you ever suggest just switching to linux to them?
[02:17] <segphault> crimsun: Is that pretty tough to do?
[02:17] <jordanau> jedipottsy, you have to enter the entire path
[02:17] <jordanau> jedipottsy, and you need a /
[02:17] <jedipottsy> ok
[02:17] <bigbill52a> most of my customers..cant figure out windows...
[02:18] <bigbill52a> never mind the intricacies of linux
[02:18] <crimsun> segphault: nope
[02:18] <jordanau> jedipottsy,        -d, --directory
[02:18] <jordanau>               unlink  FILE,  even  if  it is a non-empty directory (super-user
[02:18] <jordanau>               only; this works only if your system
[02:18] <musashi> most people double click on shit on the desktop for email and web
[02:18] <jordanau> sorry more lines than i though
[02:18] <bigbill52a> but i give them the ubuntu live cd so they can play games
[02:18] <jedipottsy> # rm --directory /home/jedipottsy/cvs
[02:19] <jordanau> jedipottsy, that unlinks files it doesnt delete folders
[02:19] <psychonate> I need stability though.
[02:19] <jordanau> jedipottsy, read the description
[02:19] <jedipottsy> o
[02:19] <CATLI_NL> good evening
[02:19] <psychonate> I just got pissed at Mandrake because my system froze up entirely after 42 days of uptime
[02:19] <jedipottsy> how do i delete it then?
[02:19] <psychonate> that really makes me angry
[02:19] <segphault> jedipottsy: rm -r
[02:19] <CATLI_NL> anybody from the netherlands
[02:19] <CATLI_NL> need some help with my cam
[02:19] <jedipottsy> ok thnx
[02:19] <segphault> psychonate: I haven't used mdk since.. like... v 8
[02:20] <segphault> psychonate: and it sucked in a major way back then.
[02:20] <jordanau> jedipottsy, sudo rm -r <--- you need to be sudo
[02:20] <psychonate> I don't mind having some problems that can be fixed by switching to a virtual terminal, but when something freezes up entirely...
[02:20] <CATLI_NL> can somebody help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[02:20] <psychonate> I just can't take that
[02:20] <segphault> yeah, that's really a bummer
[02:20] <psychonate> If I have to reboot, I slay whole families
[02:20] <segphault> with debian, I had to kill X every now and then
[02:20] <jordanau> CATLI_NL, if someone knows, they will help you
[02:20] <bigbill52a> i was using system rescue disk with terminal commands, but ubuntu live is a lot easier and faster
[02:20] <Dave9191> heya guys :)
[02:20] <jedipottsy> yeah thanks
[02:20] <jedipottsy> i done it
[02:21] <CATLI_NL> i get this is error with motion : Failed to open video device /dev/video0
[02:21] <psychonate> segphault: Did you have to reboot. I can deal with some killing
[02:21] <jordanau> CATLI_NL, describe your problem for people to see, dont ask to ask just ask
[02:21] <segphault> I haven't had a single program/system crash since I started using ubuntu
[02:21] <jedipottsy> i used root terminal
[02:21] <psychonate> ah, I like the sound of that
[02:21] <segphault> psychonate: only once or twice when I was using bad wifi drivers
[02:21] <psychonate> I don't use wifi ;)
[02:21] <jordanau> CATLI_NL, do you have any other video programs open?
[02:21] <CATLI_NL> no
[02:21] <jordanau> jedipottsy, that works too
[02:21] <JoshRA> hrm asking here is no help
[02:21] <jedipottsy> thnx for ur help
[02:21] <psychonate> as far as I'm concerned, the only time I should have to reboot is to physically move my box or to try out a new kernel
[02:21] <CATLI_NL> it's a logitech quickcam express, the drivers are loaded very well
[02:22] <jedipottsy> trying to get wine to wrk
[02:22] <JoshRA> :/
[02:22] <CATLI_NL> but I get this error
[02:22] <jordanau> jedipottsy, are you new to linux??
[02:22] <bigbill52a> kde will crash unexpectedly leaving my screen filled with little square blocks...programs continue running but you cant exit xserver or reboot
[02:22] <crimsun> JoshRA: sec, your post was lost in the backscroll
[02:22] <sysrq> CATLI_NL: maybe it's under /dev/v4l/video0 ? look in dmesg for anything
[02:22] <jedipottsy> yeah first day
[02:22] <segphault> psychonate: yeah, I totally agree. Linux memory management is so good, periodic reboots become totally unnecessary
[02:22] <jedipottsy> ill get better tho
[02:22] <sysrq> CATLI_NL: also check the file permissions
[02:22] <CATLI_NL> hmmm, ok
[02:22] <CATLI_NL> I trial
[02:22] <jedipottsy> how do i talk to u in red?
[02:22] <jordanau> jedipottsy, if you have any general linux questions, feel free to /msg me
[02:22] <CATLI_NL> i try
[02:22] <jedipottsy> o ryt
[02:22] <jedipottsy> k
[02:23] <jordanau> jedipottsy, type part of my name and press tab
[02:23] <jedipottsy> jordanau, ok
[02:23] <jedipottsy> jordanau, thnx
[02:23] <crimsun> JoshRA: what encoding (locale?) are you looking to use?
[02:23] <musashi> i think the hurd kernel can be modified and not rebooted?
[02:23] <jordanau> jedipottsy, well done
[02:23] <jordanau> jedipottsy, you can also use auto complete in terminal with directories ie press /h then tab and it will change to /home
[02:24] <jedipottsy> jordanau, so if i wanted to install city of heroes, how would i do it?
[02:24] <CATLI_NL> no, i get the same error
[02:24] <segphault> musashi: the hurd kernel can be extended in user space, so I think if you add a runtime extension you don't have to reboot to get it to operate
[02:24] <segphault> musashi: I'm not sure tho
[02:24] <jordanau> jedipottsy, i assume there is no linux version?
[02:24] <jedipottsy> jordanau, as the files on the disc is exe
[02:24] <jordanau> jedipottsy, use cedega
[02:24] <CATLI_NL> how do I change the permissions of the device??
[02:24] <jedipottsy> jordanau, no, i was going to use wine
[02:24] <rixth> /usr/include/pygtk-2.0/pygobject.h:5:20: Python.h: No such file or directory <<< Where would I get that? I installed python-gtk2-dev
[02:24] <CATLI_NL> if i try chmod i get an error also
[02:24] <jordanau> jedipottsy, www.transgamming,com or .org i cant remember
[02:24] <crimsun> rixth: you need python-dev
[02:24] <psychonate> I'm not very familiar with Debian, so I hope I can figure out how to use this package management system heh
[02:24] <jedipottsy> jordanau, would wine work?
[02:25] <sysrq> CATLI_NL: what are you trying to change the permissions to? A fix might just be to add your user account to the video user group if it is set to that
[02:25] <rixth> crimsun, I've got python2.4-dev and it still dies.
[02:25] <Quest-Master> psychonate: Debian has the best packaging system hands-down. This is coming from someone who has gone through the hell of RPMs and the complications of compilations ;)
[02:25] <jordanau> cedega is wine specifically games, that is your best chance
[02:25] <CATLI_NL> i'am logged in as root
[02:25] <JoshRA> western8859-15
[02:25] <JoshRA> i wanted that defaulted
[02:25] <segphault> psychonate: it's not that hard. If you want to see what the command line commands are like, google for 'APT debian'
[02:25] <sysrq> CATLI_NL: that's generally a bad idea
[02:25] <segphault> psychonate: it's not as good as portage/emerge, but it's pretty damn good
[02:25] <CATLI_NL> ok
[02:26] <jedipottsy> jordanau, how do i get 32bit firefox? i want to be able to watch flash videos
[02:26] <jordanau> jedipottsy, are you on AMD 64?
[02:26] <abbot45> CATLI_NL, yeah, you should learn to do some necessary things using the command line, so you dont have to log in as root.
[02:26] <musashi> just say no to flash
[02:26] <jedipottsy> jordanau, yeah
[02:26] <CATLI_NL> ok
[02:26] <jordanau> musashi, i cant wait till it goes out of style
[02:26] <segphault> psychonate: it's like emerge in the sense that it automatically downloads the packages and dependencies, and installs them for you, etc
[02:26] <crimsun> rixth: what app are you attempting to compile?
[02:27] <JoshRA> crimsun: westeren 8859-15
[02:27] <psychonate> yeah, I figured as much
[02:27] <psychonate> I don't need anything super advanced, as long as it gets me the packages, the deps, and doesn't screw up heh
[02:27] <jordanau> jedipottsy, all i know is that people say stuff about chroot when it comes to 32 bit programs, you could possible search the forums for it, there is a specific 64 bit forum
[02:27] <CATLI_NL> ok, if I do dmesg i see the next
[02:27] <jedipottsy> jordanau, ok
[02:27] <CATLI_NL> /home/yavuz/Desktop/spca5xx-20050501/drivers/usb/spca561.h: [spca561_init:673]  Find spca561 USB Product ID 928
[02:27] <CATLI_NL> Colour QuickCam for Video4Linux v0.05
[02:27] <CATLI_NL> ibm_acpi: ec object not found
[02:28] <crimsun> JoshRA: then you'll need to generate that locale (dpkg-reconfigure locales)
[02:28] <jedipottsy> flash is gud
[02:28] <abbot45> does anyone know how to get an s-video output working?
[02:28] <crimsun> JoshRA: then choose that when you log in
[02:28] <jedipottsy> it just only really works well with windows
[02:28] <CATLI_NL> so i think the driver is loaded good
[02:30] <CATLI_NL> sysrq can i speak you private
[02:31] <tritium> abbot45, with what?  An nvidia video card?
[02:31] <psychonate> I just use twinview for that
[02:31] <tritium> right
[02:31] <psychonate> (with an Nvidia card)
[02:31] <abbot45> tritium, its actually a voodoo 3, which is my problem.  all i can find howto's for are nvidia & ati.
[02:32] <DNA`> kubuntu = kde ubuntu?:D
[02:32] <tritium> abbot45, ah, I'm only familiar with nvidia twinview for more recent cards...sorry
[02:32] <crimsun> ev'ning, tritium :)
[02:32] <tritium> good evening, crimsun :)
[02:32] <abbot45> tritium, yeah.  its old as hell
[02:33] <tritium> abbot45, there is a package called "nvtv", but I can't be certain it will work for you
[02:33] <tritium> ah, never mind, different vendor
[02:33] <Scognito> hi all
[02:33] <abbot45> tritium, yeah, nv=nvidia
[02:33] <Scognito> any recomendation before upgrading to breezy?
[02:34] <tritium> abbot45, yeah, sorry ;)
[02:34] <crimsun> Scognito: yeah. Don't.
[02:34] <Scognito> ok :D
[02:34] <psychonate> abbot45: http://www.realh.co.uk/linux_tv_howto/ar01s07.html
[02:34] <abbot45> thanks
[02:34] <Scognito> crimsun, it is much instable then
[02:34] <Quest-Master> DNA`: Yep.
[02:35] <DNA`> :)
[02:35] <psychonate> abbot45: God only knows how new/old that is heh
[02:35] <crimsun> Scognito: it is usable with extreme caution
[02:35] <bigbill52a> anyone know of any drivers for x6150...lexmark
[02:35] <abbot45> psychonate, yeah
[02:35] <abbot45> ill give it a try
[02:35] <Thorrn4> hello all!!
[02:35] <Scognito> i ever used debian sid, dunno if it is much different
[02:36] <Quest-Master> Thorrn4.. are you a member of Spherical?
[02:36] <abbot45> since i just rememberd.  how do i change my x-chat settings so i dont have to be holding down Ctrl to click a link.
[02:36] <Thorrn4> lol....yep Quest-Master
[02:36] <Quest-Master> Thorrn4: Recognize me? ;)
[02:37] <Thorrn4> yep Quest-Master!!!
[02:38] <Quest-Master> :D
[02:38] <Thorrn4> long time no talk!!!
[02:38] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[02:38] <Thorrn4> I havent been on Spherical in awhile
[02:38] <Thorrn4> how have you been Quest-Master?!
[02:38] <Quest-Master> Good, good
[02:38] <Quest-Master> I'll PM you
[02:39] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> cual es el canal de ubuntu en espaol????????????''
[02:39] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> cual es el canal de ubuntu en espaol????????????''
[02:39] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> cual es el canal de ubuntu en espaol????????????''
[02:39] <tritium> dAniElITO_eL_UNI, #ubuntu-es
[02:39] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> gracias!!
[02:40] <tritium> de nada
[02:40] <jordanau> what is the literal translation of "de nada"
[02:40] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> disculpa.. tritium.. me puedes ayudar a instalar el java..!! :D
[02:40] <tritium> of nothing
[02:40] <jordanau> tritium, thanks
[02:40] <tritium> think more like, "think nothing of it"
[02:40] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> thanks!! :P
[02:40] <psychonate> or "it's nothing"
[02:41] <jordanau> tritium, i took "American Spanish" for 2 years so i dont know alot
[02:41] <tritium> dAniElITO_eL_UNI, si
[02:41] <psychonate> jordanau: I learned it in my Spanish class
[02:41] <tritium> I'm from New Mexico, so I get some practice ;)
[02:41] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> disculpa.. tritium.. me puedes ayudar a instalar el java..!! :D!!!
[02:41] <Thorrn4> wow psychonate
[02:41] <psychonate> Castillano or whatever
[02:42] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> alguen me puede ayudar a instalar el JAVA!!
[02:42] <psychonate> Thorrn4: what?
[02:42] <jordanau> tritium, can someone help me install java? right?
[02:42] <tritium> jordanau, yep
[02:42] <tritium> jordanau, well, he asked if I can help him
[02:42] <Thorrn4> psychonate, u beening in a Spanish class....and learning something
[02:42] <jordanau> tritium, roughly i just recognized a couple of verbs and but 2 and 2 together
[02:43] <tritium> :)
[02:43] <CATLI_NL> has anybody a solution for me to fix : COMMAND  PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[02:43] <CATLI_NL> camserv 6398 nobody  mem    CHR   81,0      6333 /dev/video0
[02:43] <CATLI_NL> camserv 6398 nobody    5r   CHR   81,0      6333 /dev/video0
[02:43] <bob2> dAniElITO_eL_UNI: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:43] <jordanau> tritium, or shall we say dos y dos... :)
[02:43] <psychonate> Thorrn4: You don't have to be a dickhead. I was merely contrasting what was taught to us with what was taught to them.
[02:43] <bob_> does anyone have any experience with Kylix, specifically problems with fonts
[02:43] <tritium> jordanau, ;)
[02:43] <CATLI_NL> has anybody a solution for me to fix this : Processing thread 0 - config file /etc/motion/motion.conf
[02:43] <CATLI_NL> Thread0 device: /dev/video0 input: 8
[02:43] <CATLI_NL> Failed to open video device /dev/video0
[02:43] <Scognito> crimsun, is breezy much more unstable than sid?
[02:44] <BrettMeister> Here's an easier question than some of these: What do you think is the best CD burning program for use in Gnome?
[02:44] <jordanau> BrettMeister, gnome baker
[02:44] <bretzel> bob_: yes, I do have that probs with unreadable fonts ( v=too much little )
[02:44] <bob2> that's uselessly subjective
[02:44] <Thorrn4> psychonate, what do u mean by "them"? dont think that u r better....nevermind....forget it
[02:44] <anethema> BrettMeister, gnomebaker
[02:44] <tritium> BrettMeister, there is also graveman
[02:44] <bob2> if nautilus doesn't do what you want, then start looking
[02:44] <jordanau> BrettMeister, although it isn't exaclty without bugs
[02:45] <psychonate> Thorrn4: I don't know where you get this idea of "better" or worse...
[02:45] <BrettMeister> jordanau, I just installed, so I'm unfamiliar with what's already there.  Is gnomebaker already installed?
[02:45] <crimsun> Scognito: a few major things are in flux
[02:45] <psychonate> Thorrn4: I was implying neither
[02:45] <BrettMeister> jordanau, Is gnomebaker as stable and MD5-compatible as K3b?
[02:45] <jordanau> Thorrn4, since the word "them" is so derogatory
[02:45] <Scognito> what do you mean crimsun ?
[02:45] <anethema> well, k3b is good if you already have all the kde libs installe
[02:45] <anethema> d
[02:46] <Thorrn4> thanks for backing me up jordanau
[02:46] <Rymastah> ey
[02:46] <Rymastah> my friend has a problem
[02:46] <jordanau> Thorrn4, that was sarcasm
[02:46] <BrettMeister> anethema, Thanks for the response.
[02:46] <Rymastah> His live cd wont boot up on his mac
[02:46] <anethema> np
[02:46] <Thorrn4> so was that jordanau
[02:46] <Rymastah> It just loads into Osx
[02:46] <jordanau> Thorrn4, well so is this
[02:46] <bob2> Rymastah: does he/she know how to boot cds on mac?
[02:46] <psychonate> by "them," I meant the other kids that learned with jordanau
[02:46] <bretzel> bob_:  ? Can;t accept your request: DDC chat not doing anything ( bug in xchat ? )
[02:46] <bob2> Rymastah: ie, can he/she boot another one ok
[02:46] <jordanau> Thorrn4, i dont know what that means...
[02:46] <bob2> ?
[02:47] <Rymastah> Nope
[02:47] <tritium> Rydekull, hold the "c" key while booting
[02:47] <Rymastah> That didnt work
[02:47] <tritium> Rymastah, ^^^
[02:47] <jordanau> BrettMeister, i dont know
[02:47] <bob_> bretzel,  have you been able to get kylix up and running without it crashing?
[02:47] <Rymastah> He tried holding c down
[02:47] <bob2> Rymastah: then the problem is probably just with your friend not following the instructions
[02:47] <jordanau> BrettMeister, i do know that it is slow as hell at decoding mp3's
[02:47] <bob2> Rymastah: you have to hold down c before the boing
[02:47] <bretzel> Yes. But unusable because of the too tiny fonts in the GUI ...
[02:48] <Rymastah> ok, so run me through it so I can tell him
[02:48] <brosio> every time i try to run an mp3 with noatun it crashes, other sounds works good, xmms works good any could help ?
[02:48] <bob2> brosio: #kubuntu
[02:48] <bretzel> bob_: Yes. But unusable because of the too tiny fonts in the GUI ...
[02:48] <bob_> yes,  I've had that problem,  even tried changing font to sans serif 10 without any luck
[02:48] <BrettMeister> jordanau, I have used K3b a lot for ISOs and it sure is great with getting and checking the disk for MD5 compliance.  I was just wondering if there was a program native to Gnome that does the same.
[02:49] <bretzel> bob_: Me too I've tried to change the GUI fonts without success
[02:49] <bretzel> bob_ it is really a BIG joke!
[02:49] <Rymastah> Okay, heres right here
[02:49] <Rymastah> Its still loading in mac os x
[02:49] <bob_> it's too bad,  I've used delphi a lot and I would like to try kylix
[02:50] <BrettMeister> bob2, I just left Kubuntu because of crashes and collosal screws when trying anything to do with sound.
[02:50] <bretzel> bob_: I hope it isn't intentional
[02:50] <bob2> BrettMeister: ok
[02:50] <bob_> no,  it is linux related problem
[02:50] <shido6> does anyone have the original 9800 all in wonder cd?
[02:50] <psychonate> eh, why?
[02:51] <flex_> anyone know why I cant see files on my /chroot/media/cdrom0
[02:51] <flex_> its in fstab and I made the dir
[02:51] <flex_> as soon as I exit i can see files again
[02:51] <bob_> perhaps you can help me then, re: programming in linux.  Should I use gnome or kde, and what language, compiler, or ide would let me develop gui apps quite readily
[02:52] <bob_> there seem to be so many options
[02:52] <jordanau> BrettMeister, it will burn an iso, you will have to do md5 on your own
[02:52] <Quest-Master> bob_, that's what makes Linux so awesome
[02:52] <jordanau> FLeiXiuS, mount -a
[02:52] <jordanau> flex_, mount -a
[02:52] <bob_> indeed,  however, it makes it a bit confusing to make the initial decisions
[02:52] <Quest-Master> bob_: I'd advise Python and wxPython for GUI apps
[02:52] <FLeiXiuS> :=P
[02:53] <Quest-Master> bob_, use wxGlade to produce the GUIs
[02:53] <jordanau> flex_, nevermind, i didnt read your question right
[02:53] <Quest-Master> bob_: And use gedit or Quanta to produce the code, and you're set. ;)
[02:53] <Rymastah> ok, so it still runs in mac os 10!
[02:53] <Rymastah> weir
[02:53] <Rymastah> d
[02:53] <Rymastah> even when he holds down the c key
[02:53] <bob_> thank you for that advice,  I'd been considering that
[02:53] <bob2> Rymastah: he's holding it down at the wrong time
[02:53] <psychonate> flex_: Do you need to do 'source /etc/profile' after chrooting or something?
[02:53] <bob2> Rymastah: get out the manual
[02:53] <Rymastah> So when exactly does he hold it down?
[02:53] <bob_> however, coming from a c++ and delphi background,  it means a new learning curve too
[02:53] <flex_> psychonate, I dont know what that would do
[02:54] <Quest-Master> bob_: Why not Kylix then?
[02:54] <bob_> I'm having trouble getting kylix to run properly,  it hangs, and there is a font problem
[02:54] <Quest-Master> :( It works prefectly for most people on the forums
[02:55] <Rymastah> so when does he hold it down?
[02:55] <bob2> get him to read the manual
[02:55] <bob2> or google
[02:55] <bob2> this is readily avilable informationm
[02:55] <bob2> also, I told you already
[02:55] <JoshRA> crimsun: it is installed
[02:56] <crimsun> JoshRA: and which display manager are you using?
[02:56] <JoshRA> it was beand what do you mean slected on login
[02:56] <JoshRA> i was useing gnome
[02:56] <JoshRA> now kde
[02:57] <JoshRA> i mainly am cioncerned with the termal
[02:57] <JoshRA> terminal since i use irssi
[02:57] <JoshRA> the default encode does not show symbols correctlys
[02:57] <crimsun> JoshRA: konsole or gnome-terminal?
[02:57] <JoshRA> ie degrees the pound or euro sign
[02:57] <|QuaD-_> my system is running sluggishly
[02:57] <JoshRA> samne iussues ith both but i uyse the respective in each
[02:58] <crimsun> JoshRA: use the menu to choose the correct encoding
[02:58] <Rymastah> what manual do i search for?
[02:58] <JoshRA> i have
[02:58] <Rymastah> the ubuntu manual?
[02:58] <JoshRA> how do i default it
[02:58] <crimsun> JoshRA: use the preferences
[02:59] <stuNNed> crimsun: hi, is it normal behaviour that is i save something to the Desktop folder it doesn't show up on the desktop unless i refresh that folder in Nautilus?
[02:59] <occy> if anyone has a moment:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=162683#post162683   <-- remote printing
[02:59] <JoshRA> crimsun: i did that but! it does not default
[03:00] <crimsun> stuNNed: I suppose that depends on the backend, which depends whether dnotify or inotify is used
[03:00] <stuNNed> crimsun: which do you use?
[03:01] <crimsun> stuNNed: I use inotify, because I'm using a pre-2.6.12
[03:01] <tirian> I'm trying to make text files open with gvim via Nautilus. However I keep getting a "Could not add application to the application database" error.
[03:01] <tirian> Any ideas? I tried Google, but to no avail...
[03:01] <stuNNed> crimsun: so any previous uses dnotify?
[03:02] <crimsun> stuNNed: Hoary's kernel does
[03:02] <crimsun> (and presently, so does Breezy's)
[03:03] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: i thought they use inotify?
[03:04] <oneleaf_> I'm admin of ubuntu.org.cn . I mirror cn.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu by rsync.but some file can't down, why?
[03:04] <DNA`> so when was the first release released?:]
[03:04] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: inotify is disabled by default.
[03:04] <stuNNed> crimsun: odd, using gtk's file save dialogue 90% of the time if i save a file to teh Desktop it doesn't show up unless i refresh in Nautilus
[03:04] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: ok
[03:04] <crimsun> stuNNed: my hunch is that dnotify+gamin are to blame
[03:05] <stuNNed> crimsun: oh, how to get rid of them?  this is an upgrade from Warty...
[03:05] <bob2>  gamin is still using dnotify?
[03:05] <crimsun> stuNNed: you don't have any choice currently
[03:05] <Thorrn4> I have a quick question...If I change my video card...what do I have to do when it boots up? will it auto-detect it?
[03:05] <stuNNed> crimsun: can i go back to fam or is that a bad idea as well?
[03:06] <stuNNed> crimsun: is a shame i'll just have to refresh nautilus to see what's on desktop w/out killing nautilus
[03:06] <crimsun> bob2: it uses poll since inotify method is broken
[03:06] <bob2> crimsun: even in  hoary?
[03:06] <darkaudit> Thorrn4: is it the same type?
[03:06] <bob2> dang
[03:06] <crimsun> stuNNed: bad idea to go back
[03:06] <stuNNed> crimsun: ok then, dangit
[03:07] <stuNNed> crimsun: should i file a bug, upgrade to breezy, or just wait?
[03:07] <crimsun> stuNNed: check bugzilla, certainly, but it's a better idea to wait
[03:07] <stuNNed> crimsun: ok, dangit
[03:10] <desrt> so how's the ppc64 port coming, guys? :)
[03:14] <jedipottsy> in kde how do i get the multiple desktop thing back?
[03:14] <jedipottsy> ive lost it, and i dont know how to switch desktops
[03:15] <desrt> probably right click on a panel and 'add to panel' or something?
[03:15] <desrt> it will probably be called "pager" or "workspace switcher" or similar
[03:15] <sir-gold> its pager
[03:15] <LinuxJones> jedipottsy, add a workspace switcher via right click
[03:15] <jedipottsy> linuxboy, how?
[03:16] <jedipottsy> LinuxJones, how/
[03:16] <sir-gold> there is a kubuntu channel for this stuff...
[03:17] <sir-gold> i run kubuntu, but my laptop is currently clocking on a libc6 update, so i can't look it up
[03:17] <LinuxJones> jedipottsy, right click the panel and select add
[03:18] <sir-gold> why does locales take so long to update
[03:21] <thully> Can somebody tell me why backports are considered hazardous to your (system's) health?
[03:21] <robbie> are they?
[03:21] <tritium> yes, they are
[03:22] <tritium> thully: for one, they make upgrading to new releases a pain
[03:22] <LinuxJones> thully, because they are not standard Ubuntu packages. The backport software might caue problems when you want to upgrade to a new version of Ubuntu.
[03:22] <thully> as I've seen some bug fixes only available as backports - Firefox, for instance, along with netapplet, have bugs that are only fixed through backports
[03:23] <tritium> netapplet is a universe package, and should be fixed by a universe maintainer, not backports
[03:23] <thully> For instance: Ubuntu's firefox is at 1.0.2, which still has security holes - you have to download a backport to get the fixes
[03:23] <jedipottsy> where is workspace switcher
[03:23] <tritium> the security fixes in 1.0.3 were patched into ubuntu's 1.0.2
[03:24] <darkaudit> backports just had an update for firestarter...
[03:24] <jedipottsy> i go right click add
[03:24] <jedipottsy> but i cant find workspace switcher
[03:24] <thully> All of them?  I was under the impression that there were still unfixed issues...
[03:24] <LinuxJones> jedipottsy, your running kubuntu ?
[03:24] <jedipottsy> ye
[03:24] <tritium> jedipottsy: perhaps ask in #kubuntu
[03:24] <jedipottsy> #kununtu
[03:25] <jedipottsy> ok
[03:25] <LinuxJones> jedipottsy, ask in #kubuntu they know all of that kde stuff :)
[03:25] <thully> It sounds like netapplet isn't going to be updated, as all the fixes come in a new upstream version (1.0 versus 0.99)
[03:26] <jedipottsy> ok ne1 know why mozilla just shuts down for no reason when i try to access sites like driverheaven.net?
[03:28] <thully> It would be nice if major bug fixes that require a new upstream version of something were available in official Ubuntu repositories (they could go in ubuntu-updates, so those who don't want these could leave it out of sources.list)
[03:28] <darkaudit> this bug was fixed upstream, but is still showing pending upload: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6615
[03:29] <thully> I sometimes feel like I *need* backports, especially in the case of netapplet and other universe apps that aren't updated..
[03:30] <tritium> thully: did you request a fix for netapplet?  there are MOTUs you can ask, or you can file a bug on malone
[03:31] <thully> what is malone
[03:31] <tritium> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[03:31] <thully> I think I asked about netapplet - since it needs a new upstream version for a fix, it sounds like this is being done in Breezy only
[03:36] <rixth> How does one execute a .jar file?
[03:36] <crimsun> java -jar foo.jar
[03:37] <rixth> Thanks
[03:37] <sbcl3__> does anyone know how to get the ems-usb2 working in linux (its a piece of gaming hardware)?
[03:38] <occy> What username and pass do I use at:  http://localhost:631/  for printing stuff with CUPS.
[03:38] <occy> My user / pass doesn't work.
[03:39] <occy> someone said I needed root's pass
[03:39] <occy> heh
[03:39] <occy> we don't have a root pass set
[03:39] <crimsun> are you using the print manager tool?
[03:39] <occy> crimsun, trying to.
[03:40] <occy> err
[03:40] <occy> crimsun, just trying to get printing to work remotely.
[03:40] <occy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=162683&postcount=6
[03:40] <thully> on another note, has anyone else found the default fonts in firefox to be huge?
[03:40] <tritium> occy: you have to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf in order to enable what you're trying to do
[03:40] <occy> tritium, can you check that post bud?
[03:40] <occy> tritium, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=162683&postcount=6
[03:41] <occy> tritium, it shows what I've done.   Preferably 192x192 or 128x128.
[03:42] <g14> Does anyone know the directory where synaptic / apt store the deb files they dl
[03:43] <tritium> /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:43] <Razor-X> if NTFSResize claims it can resize fragmented partitions, why does it only find 400 MB free of my NTFS partition, when it has 10 GB free, it's been defragmented, but the space hasn't been consolidated
[03:43] <tritium> occy: I've never done what you're trying to do.  I just use gnome's print configurator
[03:44] <occy> tritium, it doesn't work for me.
[03:44] <occy> tritium, the gnome print tool.
[03:44] <occy> I've tried the "Global settings - Detect LAN Printers"
[03:44] <occy> but it never shows anything
[03:45] <LinuxJones> occy, what kind of printer do you have ?
[03:45] <Razor-X> damned NTFSResize >_<
[03:45] <occy> LinuxJones, the post I put above has all the gory details.  but its' an HP 1100A  LaserJet.  quite common.
[03:45] <occy> LinuxJones, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=162683&postcount=6
[03:46] <LinuxJones> occy, install cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[03:46] <g14> tritium: Thanks, I was afraid thats what you would say. I guess it gets cleared out every so often
[03:46] <LinuxJones> occy, argh sorry don't
[03:47] <occy> LinuxJones, hehehe ok.
[03:47] <tritium> g14: apt-get and aptitude don't clear it unless you make them.  I don't use synaptic, so I'm not sure if that does or not.
[03:48] <occy> We aren't quite "Grandma Friendly" yet.  But dangit, we are getting there fast.
[03:48] <occy> little things getting fixed here and there will really put the spit and polish on Ubuntu.
[03:49] <DonL> I think it's awesome
[03:49] <dantheman> has anyone upgraded to firefox 1.1 yet?
[03:49] <LinuxJones> occy, there might be some help here >> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/40707 ... sorry I don't have a HP printer I use Epson :)
[03:50] <occy> LinuxJones, printer type shouldn't really matter.
[03:50] <DonL> dantheman, no, not yet
[03:50] <occy> but thanks
[03:50] <LinuxJones> occy, it's a postscript printer ?
[03:50] <dantheman> DonL: when it comes out, how will i be able to upgrade?
[03:50] <occy> LinuxJones, it prints locally fine.
[03:50] <occy> heh
[03:50] <LinuxJones> occy, wtf...what's ur problem again ? :)
[03:50] <occy> LinuxJones, guess you didn't read the Forum post I pasted to you. :P~   :)    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=162683&postcount=6
[03:51] <LinuxJones> occy, that's too easy :)
[03:51] <DonL> dantheman, sorry, don't know. Wait till Ubuntu offers the upgrade would be the smartest thing
[03:51] <tritium> occy: have you read: file:///usr/share/doc/cupsys/online-docs/sam.html#FAQ ?
[03:52] <LinuxJones> occy, did you re-start the cups service after configuring ?
[03:52] <occy> tritium, that doesn't stand out like a sore thumb anywhere, but I'll sure as heck RTFD it.
[03:52] <occy> ;)
[03:52] <occy> LinuxJones, yup.  but of course Mister.
[03:53] <LinuxJones> occy, you can ping the machine connected to the printer for the client ?
[03:53] <LinuxJones> *from
[03:53] <aardvark> someone plse help
[03:53] <aardvark> tried to do apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:54] <occy> LinuxJones, heh, yes, I sure can.  I stated that clearly here:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=162683&postcount=6
[03:54] <occy> LinuxJones, :P~~~ :)
[03:54] <aardvark> but I get the "The following packages have been kept back:" message
[03:54] <tritium> occy: okay, just in case you're not aware, all package store their docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> -- this is always a good place to start looking
[03:54] <LinuxJones> occy, lol
[03:54] <occy> LinuxJones, ;)
[03:54] <aardvark> how do I find out why these packages are being held back
[03:55] <princedimond> server irc.rizon.net
[03:55] <occy> tritium, yah... not quite "Grandma Friendly"  but thanks.  I will try and remember that.
[03:55] <ThomasWinwood> aardvark: They haven't come out of the closet yet.
[03:55] <occy> tritium, I've used Linux since 96' but seem to be perpetually stuck in "end-user" land.
[03:55] <occy> hehe
[03:55] <aardvark> ThomasWinwood, thanks but.....er
[03:55] <ThomasWinwood> You'll need to wait for their counselling to finish.
[03:55] <aardvark> I am trying to upg from Warty to Hoary
[03:56] <aardvark> any experts out there ?
[03:56] <DonL> aardvark, I did it, but I followed the Ubuntu Wiki
[03:56] <helio7> My system locks up and crashes at least once a day, where hitting the reset button is the only remedy; sometimes it only crashes to gdm and forces me to log in again; does this sound like a kernel crash or an X crash?  I can disable nvidia drivers to test if it's something to do with that right?
[03:57] <JDahl> aardvark, I am not an expert... but then upgrading from warty to hoary doesnt take one: replace occurences with "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/sources.list, run "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:57] <JDahl> aardvark, /etc/apt/sources.list, that is
[03:57] <arvan> hi all
[03:57] <aardvark> JDahl, thats exactly what I did, but I get "The following packages have been kept back"
[03:57] <DNA`> warty is such a beautiful name :D
[03:58] <DonL> aardvark, did you add some repositories, like backport?
[03:58] <DonL> .. in Warty I mean
[03:58] <arvan> I've got a question on alsa/esd & games sound...can I ask?
[03:59] <helio7> arvan never ask to ask
[03:59] <tritium> arvan: you're always welcome to ask
[03:59] <arvan> ok
[03:59] <arvan> my sound is working for things like 'alsamixer' and gnome-system sounds, xmms...
[03:59] <helio7> yeah tritium says it nicer :-P
[04:00] <tritium> helio7: I would say your idea is a good one.  Test the "nv" driver rather than the "nvidia" one, to see if that's causing you problems.
[04:00] <helio7> thanks
[04:00] <arvan> but it isn't working for tuxracer or bzflag, frozen bubble
[04:00] <arvan> any ideas where to look?  I think permission, but not sure
[04:00] <helio7> arvan I always killesd before tuxracer
[04:00] <JDahl> arvan, does fuser /dev/dsp tell you something?
[04:01] <arvan> wait...I'll ask
[04:01] <helio7> my fuser /dev/dsp says 16020
[04:01] <JDahl> arvan, if some processes are locking /dev/dsp, fuser would tell you
[04:01] <arvan> mine says /dev/dsp:            12884
[04:02] <Razor-X> again, does anyone have any info on NTFSResize?
[04:02] <JDahl> arvan, the brutish approach is to run "fuser -k /dev/dsp", then run the other apps
[04:02] <tritium> Razor-X: other than that your mileage may vary, and that it's somewhat risky?
[04:02] <arvan> JDahl...is that a one time deal or every time?
[04:02] <helio7> JDahl you could edit that line into the launcher tab though with a semi-colon correct?
[04:02] <Razor-X> tritium: well, the page says that the newer versions can resize fragmented partitions
[04:03] <helio7> ie "fuser -k /dev/dsp; /usr/games/tuxracer"
[04:03] <Razor-X> I defragmented the partition, but not to the point where the disk-space was consolidated
[04:03] <Razor-X> *free disk-space
[04:03] <JDahl> arvan, that would kill the app that's locking /dev/dsp (likely gnome sound server), and you need to run it every time (or disable gnome sound server at startup)
[04:03] <Moo> hi
[04:03] <Razor-X> and, it could only find 400 MB free, when I actually have 10 GB free on that partition
[04:03] <Moo> I changed video cards and now ubuntu can't detect it.
[04:03] <arvan> ok...so when I finish the bzflag, will I have no gnome sound?
[04:04] <JDahl> arvan, yup...
[04:04] <sir-gold> moo, so the gui is all screwy looking?
[04:04] <JDahl> arvan, (unless they fixed the sharing problems)
[04:04] <Moo> sir-gold, no gui :(
[04:04] <helio7> i usually just killesd then play ; if i need sound again i type esd
[04:04] <sir-gold> Moo are you at a text login prompt?
[04:04] <arvan> hmm....I've had them both working together in other distros...any other ideas?
[04:04] <Moo> sir-gold, yes
[04:05] <arvan> like...should I recompile the kernel?
[04:05] <tritium> no
[04:05] <sir-gold> Moo ok, log in and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:05] <Moo> do I have to login as root?
[04:05] <sir-gold> yes
[04:05] <Moo> shit
[04:05] <aardvark> sudo su -
[04:05] <sir-gold> i think
[04:06] <sir-gold> yeah sudo
[04:06] <Moo> i don't remember the password
[04:06] <arvan> is this an issue of the 2.6 alsa (internal) v. the alsa (external)?
[04:06] <aardvark> Moo, sudo su -
[04:06] <tritium> Moo: sudo -i
[04:06] <Moo> o.o
[04:06] <sir-gold> with sudo you use your user password
[04:06] <Moo> which one?
[04:06] <Moo> oh!
[04:06] <Moo> nice
[04:06] <Moo> ok
[04:06] <aardvark> Moo, your login
[04:07] <Nalioth> woohoo! i'm back
[04:07] <sir-gold> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:07] <Razor-X> is there a good, free, NTFS defragmenter out there?
[04:08] <sir-gold> when it asks for a password, use your user password
[04:08] <Moo> ok
[04:08] <Moo> thanks
[04:08] <DonL> Bye for now
[04:08] <aardvark> Bye
[04:08] <Nalioth> Razor-X, you mean for linux?  :P
[04:08] <Razor-X> err, sorry, for Windows
[04:08] <Razor-X> ;-P
[04:08] <Razor-X> should've specified that
[04:08] <Razor-X> stupid NTFSResize people -_-
[04:09] <tritium> Razor-X: ?
[04:10] <helio7> arvan listening to you with the sound problem inspired me to work on my same issue; I created a script that has 3 lines "1st: killall esd 2nd: tuxracer 3rd:esd" and pointed the tuxracer launcher to that shellscript;  I verified that it re-launches esd when I close the game
[04:11] <helio7> I realize it's not elegant, but it's enough for me that it works;
[04:12] <Razor-X> tritium: NTFSResize claims they can resize even fragmented partitions, I defragmented mine, but just because the free space wasn't consolidated, it would'nt find all the free-space on the drive
[04:12] <Razor-X> not even a semi-substantial amount
[04:12] <tritium> Razor-X, yes, I recall
[04:12] <Razor-X> and, I don't think Windows Defragmenter can do that
[04:14] <sir-gold> diskkeeper can defrag everything, including the swap file
[04:15] <sir-gold> diskeeper
[04:16] <Razor-X> sir-gold: ahh, that's what i'm thiking of doing
[04:16] <Razor-X> just started fiddling with it
[04:17] <Razor-X> insofar, the boot-time defrag's weren't working, but that was because of Zone Alarm Pro
[04:17] <Razor-X> so, i'm gonna try and do it on next reboot
[04:18] <holycow> its funny to read #ubuntu-fr and read irc shorthand like lol
[04:18] <SQL_Sam> hey all!
[04:19] <Razor-X> holycow: lol was AOL Speak, if I recall
[04:19] <Razor-X> that's why I never use it ;-P
[04:19] <Razor-X> that, and heh is much easier to type
[04:19] <holycow> and it has linguistic connection
[04:19] <holycow> not sure what lol translates to in french :)
[04:20] <Razor-X> it doesen't
[04:20] <Razor-X> as far as I know French, it doesen't
[04:20] <Razor-X> hell, i'm doing a report in French now ;-P
[04:20] <SQL_Sam> got a question - how do i chmod a folder to let it be read & writable? - its my  web php folder and I'm trying to create files in it through php.
[04:20] <holycow> Razor-X, hehe :)
[04:21] <drcode> is there any option to check on disk what file or dir is the biggest one , I Learn that its possible by grep, is there command or app that can do it?
[04:21] <holycow> there is a command, but i can't remember it, maybe google can?
[04:21] <helio7> SQL_Sam: chmod 777 gives everyone read/write/execute power
[04:21] <Razor-X> SQL_Sam: chmod 777 xxx
[04:21] <holycow> at least you know one exists :)
[04:21] <SQL_Sam> helio7, thanks!
[04:22] <Razor-X> google up installing SQL scripts, and you'll find a nice Chmod tutorial ;-P
[04:22] <SQL_Sam> Razor-X, thanks!
[04:22] <Razor-X> xxx is the file, by the way
[04:22] <Razor-X> better than the man file, anyways
[04:22] <SQL_Sam> lol - yah i got that part ;-)
[04:22] <Razor-X> chmod was the hardest to learn command by far
[04:22] <SQL_Sam> i read the man pages but it confused me more
[04:22] <Razor-X> the man for that command sucks ****
[04:23] <drcode> if there was software in linux that helped to easy setup like hebrew put and other, I think ms can kick out of the market
[04:23] <drcode> I start with linux as newbiew and now I only have linux at home and office
[04:24] <holycow> drcode, :) welcome
[04:24] <holycow> how long have you been using it?
[04:24] <Razor-X> I started with linux with only BASH
[04:24] <holycow> me too, i also don't use windows
[04:24] <Razor-X> I _tried_ to get X to install
[04:24] <SQL_Sam> drcode, i wish i could - i work in a ms shop
[04:24] <Razor-X> but, it was being a total bitch
[04:24] <bob_> re: Python ?  Is compiled python fast,  can it be used for games?
[04:24] <Razor-X> and, in the meantime, I started learning BASH
[04:24] <Razor-X> bob_: Python is interpreted
[04:25] <Razor-X> and, it can be used for games
[04:25] <drcode> I think that linux only missing is gui for setup easy most of the things , and pepole will start useing it
[04:25] <holycow> bob2, yes and no, pygame.org should give you some idea
[04:25] <thechitowncubs_> can xchat handle dcc?
[04:25] <bob_> tks
[04:25] <holycow> you wont be doing 3d t ypes of games but you can do a lot of simpler games
[04:25] <drcode> I also setup wine , but I hope it will support more games .
[04:25] <holycow> python is used a lot in games as *glue* for various components too
[04:25] <Razor-X> drcode: never doubt the power of an idiotc standard
[04:25] <tritium> thechitowncubs, yes
[04:25] <thechitowncubs_> drcode: cedega works great
[04:26] <Razor-X> Linux is to the OS word as Dvorak is to the keyboard world
[04:26] <iluciv> Hi I'm trying to repair a broken package (nvidia-glx) but I can't seem to. I've cleaned, repaired, checked, uninstalled, forced the apt-get command but it still responding with the same terminal response if I post the read out (10 lines; 2 lines @ a time can someone have a lokk and see if they can see what I'm doing worng??)
[04:26] <thechitowncubs_> ok, thanks
[04:26] <drcode> but cedage cost money
[04:26] <holycow> drcode, actually linux has easy gui setup, its called dpkg/apt/synaptic
[04:26] <holycow> it guarantees a single standard and uniformity
[04:26] <drcode> I am talking on opensource pure
[04:26] <holycow> its up to the rest of the world ot use it
[04:26] <Razor-X> just like QWERTY
[04:26] <bob_> ubuntu is amazing,  best thing I've seen since cpm
[04:26] <SQL_Sam> lol okay i did the chmod what is the command to see that the folder changed?
[04:26] <Razor-X> an idiotic standard ;-P
[04:26] <drcode> also setup wine or cedage is not easy if U are realy new in liunx env.
[04:27] <iluciv> Unpacking nvidia-glx (from .../nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[04:27] <iluciv> dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[04:27] <drcode> spicial if U come from windows
[04:27] <holycow> drcode, what you usuallyu find tho is that people refuse to standardize, everyone wants their own gui installer, so you get the shit that windows has ... in other words let's hope for windows stuff to make ithere :)
[04:27] <SQL_Sam> I have a question about wine?
[04:27] <digitalfox|slp> drcode, it's not badunder ubuntu by default it seems
[04:27] <iluciv> thats the problem isn't it
[04:27] <musashi> ls -l foldername
[04:27] <SQL_Sam> if I have a home network where the other pc has XP on it can i use wine to connect and use stuff on it?
[04:27] <iluciv> dpkg: error processing /cdrom//pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10/nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[04:27] <tritium> iluciv, why do you have both nvidia-glx and fglrx on the same system?
[04:28] <drcode> I think that if on;y there was gui that helped for east use , like nvidia setting , wine and so it can bet out ms
[04:28] <Razor-X> well, there's one thing about Windows that not many people in the Linux world admit
[04:28] <iluciv> thats what I thought! I had an ati card but I'm sure I've uninstalled the drivers
[04:28] <Razor-X> Windows OSs are small, for the amount of device support they offer
[04:28] <drcode> I think thats what missing in windows
[04:28] <JDahl> SQL_Sam, yes, if you setup samba and share your c:\windows folder
[04:28] <tritium> iluciv, no, your error indicates that you still have fglrx stuff
[04:29] <newitailuve> totem doesn't let me resize subtitles, anybody know a movie player that does? so i watch a flick as i go to sleep now :D
[04:29] <digitalfox|slp> Razor-X, hardware support costs very little space in Linux
[04:29] <bob_> samba:  if windoze is on hda1 it doesnt seem to see it,  it finds hda2
[04:29] <digitalfox|slp> Razor-X, and Windows 9x has very very very little hardware support by default
[04:29] <Razor-X> digitalfox|slp: still, I think that Windows size is really nice
[04:29] <iluciv> tritium: How can I check
[04:29] <Razor-X> Linux is definitely getting better in that alley
[04:29] <tritium> iluciv, dpkg -l | grep fglrx
[04:29] <drcode> I had to ask here and other channel and forum to know things , it took time , but at the end all workd, if there where appliction in gui that can be multi platform and give easy help , then ms can get out of the market
[04:29] <digitalfox|slp> Razor-X, it doesn't come with half the stuff that Ubuntu does, and a Ubuntu install is tiny
[04:29] <SQL_Sam> JDahl, i have it set up so that my windows can see and share my linux (file share)
[04:30] <Razor-X> but, just a couple years back, effective distros were behemoths
[04:30] <digitalfox|slp> Razor-X, yes, because "every one needed a compiler"
[04:30] <Razor-X> yeah, Ubuntu is definitely the new standard of small in Linux
[04:30] <SQL_Sam> JDahl, but i dont have it sep up the other way around yet
[04:30] <JDahl> SQL_Sam, that's a problem, of course
[04:30] <digitalfox|slp> Razor-X, and actually if you selectivelly install RedHat packages, it's not bad. At all.
[04:30] <Razor-X> i'm amazed at the (prophessed) power in 1.5 GB
[04:30] <SQL_Sam> JDahl, I think I need to install sambafs - it I recall
[04:31] <Razor-X> I haven't installed it yet, so I'll remove the prophessed then ;-P
[04:31] <nat_> oi vey, it took forever to get online.  im connecting through a shared connection on a windows machine
[04:31] <Razor-X> which i'm gonna do as soon as possible
[04:31] <Razor-X> if this weekend I can resize the NTFS, and then fdisk /mbr
[04:31] <Razor-X> I can set it to install on a weekday
[04:31] <drcode> ubuntu come with other borwser accept firefox?
[04:31] <JDahl> SQL_Sam, I dont use Samba much, but I would think installing samba via aptitude should cover additional dependencies
[04:32] <drcode> I Need to put new hdd in my linux
[04:32] <drcode> can I do copy of one hdd into other bigger one and then load the linux from there?
[04:32] <iluciv> tritium: whats that meant to do it just went to a new terminal line?
[04:32] <digitalfox|slp> windows 98 requires 200 or so for the OS alone without apps if memory serves.
[04:32] <digitalfox|slp> 200 MB* or so
[04:32] <BrettMeister> When an application is frozen like XMMS is right now, is there some way in gnome to force it to quit?
[04:33] <digitalfox|slp> Ubuntu is 800 MB "out of the box" I think... correct me if I'm wrong
[04:33] <Razor-X> digitalfox|slp: a bit less, but, yeah, that's about right
[04:33] <digitalfox|slp> and it has tons of stuff
[04:33] <musashi> Epiphany browser
[04:33] <Razor-X> digitalfox|slp: isn't it 1.5 GB?
[04:33] <nat_> 1.8 gb recommended
[04:33] <Razor-X> once installed?
[04:33] <JDahl> BrettMeister, xkill?
[04:33] <tritium> iluciv, look for fglrx packages.  try this first: export COLUMNS=200, and then run the previous command again
[04:33] <squareff> anybody ever tried "rsync -P <ftp...::final.iso> <local/beta.iso>"? did it work?
[04:33] <digitalfox|slp> Razor-X, it seemed smaller to me
[04:33] <BrettMeister> I would really appreciate the help.  I've been getting screwed by sound and music issues all day..... :-(
[04:33] <Razor-X> everyone here has told me it's 1.5 GB
[04:33] <BrettMeister> JDahl, I'll try that.  Thanks.
[04:33] <digitalfox|slp> my install on my desktop is 2 GB, and I've already installed tons of stuff, including GCC and some dev libraries, which take up tons of space.
[04:33] <Razor-X> that's why i've cordoned off a nice 5.5 GB for it (.5 for Swap)
[04:34] <nat_> one question, if I am connected enough to be here, are there any good reasons Synaptic still gives me errors trying to connect?
[04:34] <digitalfox|slp> I remember it was around the 1 GB mark when I checked :)
[04:34] <BrettMeister> JDahl, Would I do that from the terminal?  Yes?
[04:34] <musashi> gnome applet called force quit
[04:34] <iluciv> tritium: ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                            6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11                       Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
[04:35] <JDahl> BrettMeister, yes
[04:35] <tritium> iluciv, yep
[04:35] <BrettMeister> musashi, Thanks.  Is it in a drop-down menu?
[04:35] <squareff> [retrying]  anybody ever tried "rsync -P <ftp...::final.iso> <local/beta.iso>"? did it work?
[04:35] <tritium> iluciv, if you have nvidia, you don't need that
[04:35] <musashi> right click on panel>add to panel
[04:35] <iluciv> tritium: so I can apt-get remove that first
[04:36] <tritium> iluciv, yes, in fact apt-get remove --purge it to be safe
[04:36] <iluciv> tritium: and that should allow nvidia-glx install??
[04:36] <tritium> iluciv, it should, yes
[04:37] <Moo> sir-gold, It works ;]
[04:39] <iluciv> tritium: do I have to refesh something or restart because its giving the same error
[04:39] <tritium> iluciv, did it remove the fglrx package?
[04:41] <Razor-X> how long do you people estimate it'll take to resize a 40 GB NTFS partition?
[04:43] <iluciv> tritium: no sorry it hadn't I had nvidia-glx-dev there as well causing a problem I removed that and the fglrx package removed as well thanks heaps
[04:43] <tritium> iluciv, no problem
[04:44] <jabular> Razor-X: A lot longer than it will take to zap windows and use it all for linux! ;)
[04:46] <Razor-X> jabular: not an option
[04:49] <Levande1> What is the advantage of running identd when you are using an IRC client?
[04:49] <JDahl> off-topic, but a pad on the shoulder for ubuntu devs: my 63 year old father (who is not good at computers and only used Windows) recently visited me for a few weeks from Europe, and managed to use Ubuntu for emails, transfering pictures from his digital camera, and other everyday things without asking me a single question (I was at work at the time)
[04:50] <bob__> gnome vs kde?  ubuntu defaults to using gnome.  Is gnome better than kde,  easier to program?  Any comments appreciated.  tia
[04:50] <Razor-X> I prefer KDE
[04:50] <Razor-X> it just... seems more intuitive to me
[04:50] <Razor-X> and XFce
[04:51] <flodine> hello ubuntu folks
[04:51] <bob__> I've used both on ubuntu,  just wondering if it is easier to write programs with gnome or kde api's
[04:51] <Burgundavia> DE holy wars are not permitted in this channel
[04:51] <flodine> what the hell is happening
[04:51] <Razor-X> there is no holy war....
[04:51] <bob__> not looking to start a holy war,  just curious about differences from a programming standpoint
[04:51] <flodine> yyes
[04:51] <Razor-X> bob__: experiment for yourself
[04:51] <flodine> yes
[04:51] <Razor-X> that's the best way to find out
[04:51] <Levande1> bob__: as a developer, I prefer KDE because it has an obejct oriented API, based on a library that's based on the brilliant Nextstep GUI API
[04:51] <Razor-X> everyone has their preferences
[04:52] <bob__> do you use trolltech tools?
[04:52] <bob__> qt
[04:52] <Levande1> bob__: as a user, I think gnome is more wide spread, even though KDE is widespread itself.  Because GNOME is more widespread, i *believe* it has more functionality in applications available natively, etc available
[04:52] <flodine> why does ubuntu move so slow
[04:53] <jordanau> flodine, how fast is your comp?
[04:53] <Levande1> bob__: and, if you're a free license freak, gnome is more based on free software than KDE
[04:53] <jordanau> flodine, and how much ram?
[04:53] <flodine> 1gig
[04:53] <Razor-X> Levande1: QWERTY is more widespread than Dvorak, but it's worse, as is Windows compared to Linux
[04:53] <squareff> Levande1: which non-free software is kde based on?
[04:53] <jordanau> flodine, how is it slow?
[04:54] <flodine> i got a 2600 amd  with 10,000 satas
[04:54] <bob__> coming from a windows environment, having learned the api's I know there is a significant time investment,  so I;m just trying to reduce alternatives in the development environment
[04:54] <Levande1> Razor-X: good point, but QWERTY does offer all the functionality DVORAK does, where *possibly* kde does not, i'm not enough of an expert to know
[04:54] <Razor-X> Levande1: heh, that's true...
[04:54] <Levande1> squareff: KDE is based on the Troll Tech QT library.  QT is available under both a GPL and a commercial license.  Some OSS advocates frown on this dual licensing.
[04:55] <Levande1> squareff: personally, i don't care
[04:55] <Razor-X> Levande1: i'm thinking they frown on the BSD liscense as well?
[04:55] <bob__> the qt license doesnt affect me, because I write free software
[04:55] <squareff> Levande1: as long as it's dual, it's free; i would say the main problem of kde is another one: it is too centralized
[04:55] <Levande1> i only use gnome because I'm not developing for it anyway, and it *seems* more of a default by my provider ubuntu.  Even though kubuntu is out now, my guess is that ubuntu is more focused on gnome
[04:56] <Levande1> squareff: not that i care either way, but that's an opinion.  Some people would say that it's not free unless the license indicates that it will always be free.  QT's licensing doesn't indicate that
[04:56] <Levande1> bob__: it's only the freaks that care about the licensing issue
[04:57] <Levande1> although if you think about it, the licensing does end up affecting everybody
[04:57] <thechitowncubs_> Hey, i got a good question for you, what is the best way to make a mothers day card in ubuntu :)
[04:57] <Levande1> i'm glad some ppl are watching that stuff
[04:57] <flodine> i want to run ubuntu so bad but its slow
[04:57] <holycow> thechitowncubs, gimp
[04:57] <holycow> :)
[04:57] <squareff> Levande1: well, then i am a freak, by ALL means!
[04:57] <holycow> hahahaha
[04:57] <holycow> thechitowncubs, sorry, but that really was funny :)
[04:57] <thechitowncubs_> holycow: you are mean
[04:57] <holycow> oh c'mon :)
[04:58] <Levande1> squareff: lol, but you are a freak who condones the dual free/commercial licensing?  that's a new kinda freak to me
[04:58] <bob__> flodine, my ubuntu is much faster than windoze 2000,  it is only using 2 percent of my system resources rightnow
[04:58] <thechitowncubs_> seriously though, you got me g-lined
[04:58] <holycow> sorry dude didn't mean to
[04:58] <flodine> well bob are you on satas
[04:58] <bob__> satas??
[04:58] <holycow> yosh is fairly straight laced :) join later they are usually okay
[04:58] <flodine> i love dude dont get me wrong its nice as hell
[04:58] <jordanau> flodine, explain your problem dont just randomly complain
[04:59] <Levande1> bob__: let the system run for awhile, it starts eating up more and more memory, 512 MB isn't enough for me although it is enough for me under XP.  Although, I don't run any of these servers on XP that I run on Linux.  Linux is my server box, because all the servers are free there.  And, already configured by ubuntu
[04:59] <flodine> ok
[04:59] <Levande1> bob__: you like to develpo with objects?
[04:59] <TheKark> satas?
[04:59] <thechitowncubs_> The gimp... hmm
[04:59] <bob__> not really,  I have done some object oriented work,  but I dont tend to think like that
[05:00] <squareff> Levande1: not at all! gpl alone (non-dual) doesn't *by itself* provide any more safety than dual licensing. as long as they have the copyright, they can change whenever they want.
[05:00] <holycow> thechitowncubs, there are quite a few tools you can use
[05:00] <holycow> inkscape is another good one
[05:00] <jordanau> sata is faster than ide cables and smaller as well
[05:00] <Levande1> bob__: my opinion, definitely go with GNOME then, it's got a larger user-base and it's got a structured C-type API
[05:00] <thechitowncubs_> ya... i'll use the gimp (its a really, really good program)
[05:00] <Levande1> bob__: KDE is object oriented and got a big, but smaller user base
[05:00] <squareff> Levande1: at least dual licence means playing fair from the very beginning
[05:01] <Levande1> squareff: no idea what u mean, if you don't dual license you aren't playing fair?
[05:01] <thechitowncubs_> lol
[05:01] <thechitowncubs_> The Gimp has a template of toilet paper!
[05:01] <thechitowncubs_> lol
[05:01] <thechitowncubs_> thats hilarious
[05:01] <bob__> c is where I've spent quite a bit of time, so gnome might be an easier transition then
[05:01] <holycow> thechitowncubs, i'm a huge fan of gimp, and blender and a good number of programs like that
[05:02] <squareff> Levande1: the reciprocal is sometimes misleading. to be used with caution in arguing :)
[05:02] <Razor-X> bob__: this is getting to the point of holy war
[05:02] <TheKark> yeah, what kind of toilet paper can print
[05:02] <Levande1> squareff: still don't know whatu mean
[05:02] <holycow> thechitowncubs, scribus is also amazing for desktop publishing
[05:02] <bob__> no,  I appreciate the opinions
[05:02] <TheKark> hey, is blender for linux?
[05:02] <jordanau> TheKark, yes
[05:02] <squareff> squareff: it means your conclusion was not what i intended to express
[05:03] <TheKark> really, like free though?
[05:03] <jordanau> TheKark, sudo apt-get install blender
[05:03] <Levande1> squareff: i'm not arguing, just have no idea what your saying
[05:03] <thechitowncubs_> never heard of it
[05:04] <TheKark> ill check that out after downloading starwars revelations
[05:04] <squareff> Levande1: i never said you were "arguing". you were using arguments, rationale. that's what i meant by "arguing"
[05:04] <Levande1> squareff: this is like a laurel and hardy routine ;0
[05:04] <squareff> Levande1: sometimes irrationality makes our lives better
[05:05] <Levande1> squareff: and stupid ppl *love* cliches!
[05:05] <Levande1> pls don't take that the wrong way though...
[05:05] <squareff> now the expanded explanation: "at least dual licence means playing fair from the very beginning" DOESN'T IMPLY "if you don't dual license you aren't playing fair?"
  I say something like "yeah, you've got to use what you have".  The stupid ppl always love something like that
[05:07] <squareff> holycow: so my "at least dual licence means playing fair from the very beginning" is true only when compared to people who change from gpl to commercial
[05:07] <Levande1> you just reminded me of that little thing I do, and our conversation wasn't making sense anyway
[05:07] <regeya_> oh dear
[05:07] <regeya_> is someone on a licensing rant?
[05:08] <Nalioth> dual license for dual procs?
[05:08] <TheKark> seems like it
[05:08] <Levande1> yeah, and we arguing the same points that have been argued about the GPL from the beginning of time
[05:08] <regeya> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah gpl is bad blah blah blah
[05:08] <squareff> Levande1: squareff: Levande1: sometimes irrationality makes our lives better /// Levande1: squareff: and stupid ppl *love* cliches!
[05:08] <nate_> do 802.11g cards work with 802.11b APs?
[05:08] <regeya> I wonder how I ever got along without beagle
[05:09] <Burgundavia> nate_, should, mos are b/g
[05:09] <Levande1> squareff: you didn'tt think that was funny? i'm laughing when you quoted me?
[05:09] <nate_> Burgundavia: hmmm, not picking up mine, so i was just wondering
[05:09] <Levande1> although i could see how you would think it was aimed at you, but i promise, it wasn't
[05:09] <holycow> regeya, is there a deb package for it?
[05:09] <kark> does beagle just find things?
[05:09] <Burgundavia> nate_, does iwlist -scan pick it up?
[05:09] <Fackamato> Anyone using m0n0wall?
[05:10] <Nalioth> nate_, they are compatible
[05:10] <Burgundavia> holycow, is going to be making its was into Ubuntu realsoonnow
[05:10] <squareff> Levande1: oh, ok. i thought it had been a retort to my playful remark
[05:10] <Burgundavia> kark, yes, but very well
[05:10] <holycow> Burgundavia, really? *oooooooooooo*
[05:10] <squareff> Levande1: sorry for the confusion
[05:10] <holycow> i knew i like ubuntu for some reason
[05:10] <Levande1> squareff: yeah, i was trying to be playful back.  Maybe with to much of an edge though...
[05:10] <holycow> -_-
[05:10] <squareff> Levande1: np :)
[05:10] <thechitowncubs> File Roller needs better drag and drop support =(
[05:10] <regeya> holycow: take a look at the beagle wiki: http://beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[05:10] <squareff> Levande1: so now did you get the point from my replies to holycow?
[05:11] <Burgundavia> regeya, those repos are crack
[05:11] <regeya> ^ got lazy, hit F12, and searched for 'beagle wiki'
[05:11] <holycow> regeya, danky spanky :)
[05:11] <Burgundavia> regeya, holycow don't use them
[05:11] <thechitowncubs> Beagle is awesome
[05:11] <Burgundavia> the beagle out of them breaks (I have used it)
[05:11] <holycow> heh k.
[05:11] <Burgundavia> wait for it to hit breezy
[05:11] <thechitowncubs> Im using 0.09 and it works
[05:11] <regeya> Burgundavia, I see.
[05:11] <holycow> btw, i love the beagle logo
[05:11] <kark> hmm, i know beagle finds things well, but im a organizing freak
[05:11] <holycow> rofl
[05:11] <elshadii> I'm trying to find out information on using Hula can someone suggest a HOWTO that explains checking mail and such?
[05:12] <holycow> and the name of that package
[05:12] <regeya> Burgundavia, the funny thing is that it's an unofficial repo.  I know you think I'm some idiotic n00b who knows no better than to go sticking me willie in any hole I can find, but I swear I wore a condom.
[05:12] <holycow> oh its a mono app
[05:12] <holycow> heh
[05:12] <holycow> hoo boy here we go :)
[05:12] <jordanau> beagle is basically the google desktop search but local right?
[05:12] <squareff> Levande1: [the reply to holycow]  so my "at least dual licence means playing fair from the very beginning" is true only when compared to people who change from gpl to commercial; does it now make more sense? :)
[05:12] <Burgundavia> regeya, lol
[05:13] <holycow> regeya, rofl
[05:13] <holycow> thats a quotable
[05:13] <holycow> can that be our topic for the day?
[05:13] <holycow> :)
[05:13] <Burgundavia> I trust our local mono guru, who  claims it is crack
[05:13] <bob__> anjuta?  a good ide to start with?
[05:13] <regeya> hehe...I think the stoli is making me goofy
[05:13] <jordanau> regeya, i once taught by a wise man that sticking things where they look like they belong can get you in a lot of trouble
[05:14] <regeya> I wonder why nobody's deleted that from the beagle wiki...
[05:14] <holycow> jordanau, it can also land you in jail, just ask michael jackson
[05:14] <holycow> *oops*
[05:14] <holycow> did i say that?
[05:14] <holycow> >_>
[05:15] <squareff> [retrying]  anybody ever tried "rsync -P <public_server::final.iso> <local_host/beta.iso>"? did it work?
[05:15] <jordanau> holycow, haha ROFL
[05:16] <sbcl3__> is it possible for me to install KDE with ubuntu and even though  I use gnome to use KDE part time?
[05:16] <sbcl3__> (like..to bootload operating systems but with environments)
[05:16] <jordanau> holycow, whats the difference between michael jackson and neil armstrong
[05:16] <holycow> what?
[05:16] <Levande1> what is the advantage to using identd when you are using an IRC client?
[05:17] <jordanau> neil armstrong was the first man to walk on the moon, michael jackson has sex with little boys :)
[05:17] <holycow> heh
[05:17] <holycow> and now to another topic
[05:17] <Burgundavia> jordanau, please take that elsewhere
[05:17] <holycow> Burgundavia, over to you
[05:17] <jordanau> Burgundavia, okay
[05:17] <jordanau> Burgundavia, sorry bout that, im done now
[05:18] <regeya> sbcl3__, you shoulhd have no problem installing kde
[05:19] <sbcl3__> regeya: how do i use it after i install it (i want to use both but at different times)
[05:20] <regeya> sbcl3__, dunno; I think there should be an entry in gdm for kde
[05:20] <Quest-Master> Does anybody have PHP installed? If so, can you quickly just run time() in a terminal and tell me what it returns?
[05:20] <Quest-Master> ;(
[05:20] <iluciv> how do you find where programs are installed i.e I installed 3desktop to see how it works (from apt-get) but it didn't tell me where it is installed or how to execute it; so how do I find out?
[05:21] <Levande1> Quest-Master: how to I run php from the command line? tell me and i'll do it
[05:21] <tritium> iluciv, dpkg -l
[05:21] <jordanau> one way is to find it in synaptic and look under properties
[05:21] <Levande1> Quest-Master: i have it installed, use it to do some web development
[05:21] <tritium> iluciv, dpkg -L <packagename> will list files in the package
[05:22] <waseem> Hi Im trying to install quake3arena on my computer and im using the following command in terminal: mount /mnt/cdrom and the output is mount: can't find /mnt/cdrom in /etc/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab, does anyone know what im doing wrong?
[05:22] <Quest-Master> Levande1: Does PHP not have an interactive console like Ruby or Python?
[05:22] <sbcl3__> does anyone know of a linux piece of software that is close to microsoft's project standard 2003?
[05:22] <iluciv> tritium: great thanks agian
[05:22] <chombee> I have to type sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd after every reboot if I want to play DVDs. Does anyone know what file I can put this so it will be executed automatically?
[05:23] <tritium> iluciv, sure
[05:23] <Levande1> Quest-Master: it does, I just don't know how to use it, it's more commonly used to be served from web servers.  Although I know you can run it from the command line.  I just don't know how.
[05:23] <holycow> thechitowncubs, just so that you know, i once got banned for two weeks from that chan
[05:23] <holycow> hehe
[05:23] <holycow> for complimenting them
[05:23] <holycow> :)
[05:23] <tritium> iluciv, there's also the manpage, besides the --help
[05:24] <Quest-Master> Levande1: If you could spare me a second, could you just then write a PHP file that would print time(), and then give me the timestamp it returns?
[05:24] <Levande1> Quest-Master: hold on
[05:25] <Mestapheles> has anyone used the xitel MDPROT-AN1?
[05:25] <thechitowncubs_> grr, i hate when things don't eject =D
[05:25] <Mestapheles> sypo, xitel MDPORT-AN1 ?
[05:25] <thechitowncubs> holycow: how did you get banned?
[05:26] <holycow> i don't remember what i said, i was complimenting them about something
[05:26] <thechitowncubs_> lol
[05:26] <Levande1> Quest-Master: i tried a file that just contains this:" <?php time(); ?>" that's only line. Nothing was printed out on page.
[05:27] <tritium> sbcl3__, planner, but it's not too close yet
[05:27] <Mestapheles> holycow:banned from what irc?
[05:27] <holycow> #gimp on irc.gimp.org
[05:27] <Mestapheles> oh
[05:28] <|QuaD-_> has anyone used hula on hoary or breezy?
[05:28] <sbcl3__> tritium: i found some stuff..
[05:28] <sbcl3__> http://ganttproject.sourceforge.net/index.php
[05:28] <jordanau> holycow, if it makes you feel better, i got banned from target
[05:28] <chombee> I have to type sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd after every reboot if I want to play DVDs. Does anyone know what file I can put this so it will be executed automatically? I actually already have the command set to run on startup in my gnome session, but this doesn't work since I upgrade to Hoary
[05:28] <holycow> jordanau, lol, actually it doesn't really matter
[05:28] <holycow> from target?
[05:28] <Mestapheles> I basically got asked to leave the freebsd-ppc mailing list
[05:28] <holycow> like store?
[05:29] <holycow> hahaha :)
[05:29] <tritium> sbcl3__, check out planner -- it's apt-gettable
[05:29] <holycow> like what did you do?
[05:29] <jordanau> holycow, yeah, i dont think all of them, just the one store
[05:29] <jordanau> holycow, well i was dumb and in high school
[05:29] <Quest-Master> Levande1: Could you try "<?php echo time(); ?>
[05:29] <holycow> rofl, how the hell does anyone get banned from target?
[05:29] <chombee> perhaps the 'sudo' doesn't work  in the gnome sessions dialog
[05:29] <jordanau> holycow, riding bikes through the store and scaring kids with halloween masks
[05:29] <Mestapheles> it all started out as me being helpful, then beng told that if the target person wanted to know something they woudl ask for it, ortherwise I shoud play elsewhere
[05:29] <holycow> jordanau, haha do tell :)
[05:30] <sbcl3__> tritium: what's planners website?
[05:30] <holycow> ah! hillarious :)
[05:30] <tritium> sbcl3__, apt-cache show planner
[05:30] <tritium> it'll tell you
[05:30] <|QuaD-_> sbcl3__: i use planner, it works well
[05:30] <|QuaD-_> sbcl3__: comparable to project
[05:31] <sbcl3__> http://www.imendio.com/projects/planner/
[05:31] <jordanau> tritium, Great Tip! thanks
[05:31] <holycow> jordanau, how were you to know the bikes weren't meant for riding in the store?
[05:31] <tritium> jordanau, which?
[05:31] <holycow> -_-
[05:31] <sbcl3__> you could of just given me that url...
[05:31] <Levande1> Quest-Master:  tried again with this <?php echo time() ?> and what was printed on the web page was<PHONE_NUMBER>
[05:31] <Levande1> Quest-Master: very close to what you requested, but no semi, don't think that matters
[05:31] <jordanau> holycow, i'm not gonna buy something without trying first
[05:31] <Mestapheles> does anyone know if D/A converters are unidirectional by nature?
[05:31] <Quest-Master> Levande1: Thank you very much. :D I appreciate it
[05:31] <stuNNed> regeya: beagle's search doesn't pick up certain things oddly, that it should
[05:31] <holycow> jordanau, rofl, quality control eh?
[05:31] <holycow> hehe
[05:32] <jordanau> holycow, i have grown up a little since then, (although if you want to hear the greastest highschool prank of all time /msg me)
[05:32] <sbcl3__> i was also meaning a flow-chart builder
[05:32] <sbcl3__> like Kivio but for gnome
[05:32] <sbcl3__> would Dia be the best thing?
[05:33] <chombee> sbcl3__ - dia is pretty good
[05:33] <tritium> sbcl3__, you can find it yourself, don't get fussy when people help you
[05:33] <sbcl3__> sorry
[05:33] <|QuaD-_> sbcl3__: i have used kivio and dia, and i find dia a lot more advanced
[05:33] <JairunCaloth> :( mIRC needs to make a linux version...
[05:33] <holycow> jordanau, only if it doesn't suck
[05:33] <|QuaD-_> JairunCaloth: why?
[05:34] <|QuaD-_> JairunCaloth: xchat and irssi are 2 great clients
[05:35] <JairunCaloth> it's just overwhelming learning 100 new programs at once that do the same thing I'm used to using other programs for, and know.
[05:35] <stuNNed> JairunCaloth: xchat is pretty easy to use actually
[05:36] <Orunitia> You can just run mirc through wine :P
[05:37] <JairunCaloth> hehe, well I just got this up and running, I'm nowhere close to figuring out how to install and setup wine yet
[05:37] <Levande1> |QuaD-_: am new to IRC, but am using gaim, what's wrong with gaim that it doesn't make your list?
[05:37] <thechitowncubs> Xchat is the best IRC client
[05:37] <chombee> come on - I got my friends sweet laptop all set to open xine with a cool skin when a DVD is put in and start playing it perfectly - but I need something to run the  sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd command!
[05:37] <JairunCaloth> I've never used it before. I'm just used to mIRC
[05:38] <Orunitia> yeah I remember my first time using linux too. You get used to it, and like it.
[05:38] <JairunCaloth> I'm not saying it's not good. I just don't know anything about it.
[05:38] <|QuaD-_> Levande1: eh?
[05:38] <JairunCaloth> I've dabbled with linux a little in the past, but I'm still a complete noob to linux pretty much
[05:38] <sir-gold> you could run mirc using wine...
[05:38] <Levande1> |QuaD-_: just wondering if I should switch from gaim to one of the ones you mention is all.  You know of a reason to?
[05:39] <|QuaD-_> Levande1: nope. i like irssi
[05:39] <JairunCaloth> right now I'm trying ot figure out why I can access my windows drive through the terminal, but not in gnome...
[05:39] <JairunCaloth> I got it mounted fine... but gnome denys me access
[05:40] <nat_> call me a n00b, its ok, I am one, but I have a (perhaps stupid) question
[05:40] <nat_> whenever I load synaptic, I get this error message:
[05:41] <nat_> : Couldn't stat source package list http://.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:41] <nat_> my take on it is that I am failing to connect
[05:41] <nat_> yet, I can go online
[05:41] <chombee> OKAY - can I get it to run my command and launch xine when a DVD is inserted? Set the action to something like  sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd; xine dvd://
[05:42] <sir-gold> no, its trying to save something, and can't find or access the folder to save it in
[05:42] <nat_> oh, ok
[05:43] <nat_> what can one do about that sort of thing?
[05:43] <chombee> I would just try it, but I'd have to reboot for every attempt to guess the command, and it might be a dead end anyway. does anyone know?
[05:43] <sir-gold> nat_ im looking on google for it
[05:43] <jordanau> chombee, can you mount the folder?
[05:43] <nat_> thinks, sir-gold
[05:44] <jordanau> chombee, i am a newb but i mounted a directory for ftp stuff, it might work for that
[05:44] <chombee> mount the folder? the drive in question mounts automatically, but DVDs will not play unless I add this sym-link (or something) via this command:  sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd. If I just wanted to browse the DVD, that works on its own
[05:44] <iluciv> tritium: so a pattern for dpkg -l could be dpkg a-z ??
[05:44] <nat_> sir-gold, the reason i thought it had to do with connection issues was that my machine was really reluctant to connect to the internet
[05:45] <tritium> iluciv, dpkg -l by itself lists the installed packages on your system
[05:45] <sir-gold> nat_ did you refresh synaptic after adding sources?
[05:45] <nat_> I'm connecting through a shared connection on a winXP machine
[05:45] <nat_> yes
[05:45] <tritium> iluciv, you can pipe it into grep to search for specific packages
[05:45] <jordanau> chombee, the link goes away after the DVD rom gets unmounted i guess?
[05:45] <nat_> i believe so
[05:46] <nat_> well....maybe not since my connection started working, actually
[05:46] <fazer> Hmmm, why does Ubuntu synchronize with the time server upon boot up?
[05:46] <jordanau> computer clocks are innacurate
[05:46] <flex_> im using the i386 hoary but I have a athlon 64, what kernel would be the best to use 386, 686, k7
[05:46] <tritium> k7
[05:47] <chombee> jordanau - no actually, I can take the DVd out and put another in fine. The link goes away after a reboot though. See that command establishes the link for my current session, so ineed it to automatically run at the start of every session, but don't know which file to add the command to
[05:47] <fazer> jordanau: ah, so, if you boot up without internet connectivity, you are left with incorrect time?
[05:47] <sir-gold> nat_ refresh again and see if that helps
[05:47] <nat_> sir-gold, i think that's doing it, it seems to be dl'ing
[05:47] <tritium> fazer, not terribly incorrect, but all clocks drift a bit
[05:47] <nat_> d'oh, that was rather dumb on my part
[05:47] <fazer> tritium: mine was 4 hours behiind.
[05:47] <jordanau> fazer, over time your clock will get off so it adjusts it
[05:47] <jordanau> fazer, yeah mine was 20 minuts over 2 weeks
[05:48] <tritium> fazer, that's a bit much
[05:48] <user1> is there a way , I Have setup linux in 3.6 giga hdd
[05:48] <user1> can I copy it into other hdd of 6 giga or 12 giga and boot the linux from there?
[05:48] <nat_> sir-gold, its checking the repositories, which was the source of the error before, so yeah, that did it
[05:48] <waseem> Hey how can i fix my OpenGL?
[05:48] <nat_> thank you!
[05:48] <jordanau> chombee, look at the man pages on mount and look at --bind, see if that might be of use
[05:48] <fazer> tritium: yeah, hence why I asked =/
[05:48] <tritium> waseem, hey, what's broken?
[05:49] <alainm> what do name should i use in Synaptic do get unbuntu latest?
[05:49] <tritium> fazer, much moreso than normal drift.  Are you dual-booting?
[05:49] <fazer> tritium: not at all.
[05:49] <waseem> tritium: quake3arena isnt working because of OpenGL