[00:01] <gruio> Hello
[00:03] <gruio> Anyone else had the bug with the multiple opening windows in QT?
[00:12] <mario__> I came in late, but from what I have heard, the community is very welcoming of people developing on ubuntu
[06:27] <zsombi> nik90: ping
[06:40] <akiva-mobile> A bit curious; does anyone here maintain a seperate ubuntu os install for just testing and running code? Because i am planning to muck around with unity, I am tempted to do this.
[07:09] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Studio for Ubuntu SDK | http://askubuntu.com/q/440193
[07:44] <binaryking> for the app showdown, which ubuntu touch version should I use? framework 14.04 or 13.10? also, which architecture should I use and can Qt4 apps be deployed to Ubuntu Touch?
[07:59] <akiva-mobile> binaryking, why do you want qt4?
[08:04] <DanChapman> good morning
[08:05] <justCarakas> good morning
[08:09] <binaryking> akiva-mobile: actually, that app I am thinking of porting to Ubuntu Touch is built upon Qt4
[08:10] <akiva-mobile> binaryking, really? From my experience, it should not be too hard to upgrade to Qt5
[08:10] <akiva-mobile> The syntax has largely stayed the same
[08:10] <akiva-mobile> binaryking, what app is it?
[08:30] <nik90> zsombi: pong
[08:30] <zsombi> nik90: we have some issues with the clock app AP tests
[08:31] <zsombi> nik90: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7166706/
[08:31] <zsombi> nik90: and this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7166749/
[08:31] <nik90> zsombi: Both are UITK failures
[08:31] <zsombi> nik90: the first one is in ubuntu_clock_app.tests.test_alarm.TestAlarm.test_delete_alarm_must_delete_from_alarm_list
[08:32] <zsombi> nik90: looks so, I just wanted to ask you whether you had seen this before :)
[08:32] <zsombi> nik90: I've received your video, just didn't had time to look at it yet
[08:33] <nik90> zsombi: yes I have seen before happen rarely. I believe elopio has a MR to fix the tab switching timing issue.
[08:34] <akiva-mobile> The desktop session preview; is it supposed to be tablet mode?
[08:34] <akiva-mobile> for mir unity8
[08:34] <nik90> zsombi: https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/tab_selection_timing/+merge/210219
[08:34] <nik90> zsombi: btw can you merge trunk for the alarm timezone MR? I can then test and state the results in it.
[08:37] <zsombi> nik90: aaaaaaaaaah, you got the bastard!!! ;)
[08:38] <zsombi> nik90: thx, I'll ping timp for that!
[08:38] <nik90> ;)
[08:42] <zsombi> nik90: so, checked the video.... omg... I see a nasty bug there, so report one! Seems Qt5.2 brought us more pain that we thought, so I need to re-work the layouting a bit...
[08:44] <nik90> zsombi: will do. I will create a sample app to help reproduce the bug. I was wondering if I was going crazy and doing something wrong at the most basic level :D
[08:47] <zsombi> nik90: nopez. when you have the green rectangle disappearing, that means the item is not "waken" (hidden: false) when the default layout gets back. On the other hand, the reason the Label does not appear on the default layout is unknown to me, but seams the property change is not executed correctly for that component.. I am wondering, if you'd have more components to move
[08:47] <zsombi> between layouts, what would happen with all of those...
[08:48] <nik90> zsombi: I will try that
[08:49] <zsombi> nik90: the MR you pointed from elopio is included in the package we are getting the clock AP errors
[08:49] <zsombi> nik90: so that cannot be guilty fo rthat, or the fix is not enough.
[08:51] <nik90> zsombi: oh. Let me talk to elopio and see if we can fix the issue. That's one of the reasons why I use the UITK emulator helpers. The emulators are more fail-proof and supposed to work reliably.
[08:51] <nik90> zsombi: I think he should come online in a few hours
[08:51] <zsombi> nik90: ok... meanwhile I've updated both alarm MPs
[08:52] <nik90> zsombi: thnx.I will have to wait for the deb package to install on phone
[08:53] <zsombi> nik90: yope, unless you wanna build it on teh device yourself ;)
[08:54] <nik90> ;)
[09:56] <nik90> zsombi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1298886
[09:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1298886 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Layout incorrectly sizes the children in the default layout when using Components{}" [Undecided,New]
[09:57] <nik90> zsombi: btw I think Ubuntu Layouts works fine, the bug is most likely in how I use the UITK components
[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Something On A Stick Day! :-D
[10:04] <justCarakas> like this JamesTait http://t1.rbxcdn.com/035ee1eedeb11605053ecfbcdc079aa7
[10:07]  * JamesTait eyes the URL suspiciously.
[10:07] <justCarakas> its SFW :)
[10:07] <JamesTait> justCarakas, *anything* is safe for work when you're the only one home. :-P
[10:08] <justCarakas> haha :) I'm not at home, I'm at work :p
[10:08] <justCarakas> jamestait, but we use IRC here so why not also be on this channel
[10:08] <JamesTait> justCarakas, I'm at home, and at work.
[10:09] <justCarakas> lucky you JamesTait, I'm traveling 4 hours a day to and from work
[10:32] <JamesTait> justCarakas, I am *very* fortunate - I get to work from home, I get to occasionally visit nice places, all expenses paid, *and* I have *amazing* colleagues.
[10:36] <justCarakas> JamesTait, what is your job than ?
[10:38] <JamesTait> justCarakas, currently, mostly this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Interfaces/ClickPackageIndex
[10:39] <gcollura> When using ItemLayout { } should I always specify its height and width?
[10:40] <JamesTait> justCarakas, so when you're searching for software on your Ubuntu phone and it's not returning the result you know is there, that's probably my fault. ;)
[10:43] <gcollura> apparently the answer is: yes
[10:44] <gcollura> popey, if you want to prepare your lunch today, it is better for you to approve the last saucybacon update :P
[10:49] <popey> haha gcollura
[10:50] <popey> gcollura: I'm on it..
[10:50] <gcollura> popey, thanks ;)
[10:50] <justCarakas> JamesTait, ahh :p nice job
[10:51] <popey> gcollura: approved
[10:52] <gcollura> thanks popey
[10:52] <popey> and it starts fine on my phone too
[10:53] <gcollura> popey, great
[11:11] <JamesTait> Question to throw out there for my personal project, while I remember: what's a good way of mocking a remote HTTPS API for unit testing my QML app?
[11:22]  * nik90 is interested in JamesTait's question as well.
[11:32] <popey> yeah, we need that for reminders too
[11:35] <popey> JamesTait: you should ask this on au ☻
[11:36] <JamesTait> popey, that's a good idea, you know. :)
[11:36] <JamesTait> Why didn't I think of that?
[11:38] <JamesTait> I thought maybe weather-app would offer some clues, since it pulls data from a variety of online sources, but I didn't find anything. :(
[11:39] <popey> indeed, balloons wants to implement this but I dont think he has enough round tuits
[11:39] <popey> but I'd like to see this answered publicly somewhere so devs can do it, so yeah, put it on AU and we can all upvote and when it doesn't get an answer, add a bounty
[11:41] <JamesTait> Mmmm, bounty. :)
[11:47] <AskUbuntu> module "QtQuick.Dialogs" is not installed on 14.04 | http://askubuntu.com/q/440281
[11:48] <zsombi> nik90: checking the layouts bug: so if the Page containing layouts goes straight into PageStack, then everything works well?
[11:55] <nik90> zsombi: that's right.
[11:56] <nik90> zsombi: I am not sure if me adding the Tabs{} inside a Component{} is supported officially though.
[11:59] <t1mp> nik90: I don't see a reason why that should not work
[11:59] <t1mp> any Item can be added inside a Component right?
[11:59] <t1mp> hmm you are talking about a specific Tabs instance? well you cannot refer to it outside of the Component
[12:01] <zsombi> t1mp: we're talking about layouts :)
[12:01] <nik90> t1mp: I am not sure if you saw the sample code I attached in the bug report, but essentially I put that Tabs{} instance inside a Component{} so that it gets loaded only when required.
[12:02] <nik90> t1mp: but yeah the bug is triggered with the Ubuntu Layouts. Otherwise Tabs{} in Component{} works as expected :)
[12:20] <mihir> popey, ping !!
[12:20] <popey> mihir: pong!
[12:21] <mihir> popey,  could you comment on this bug ?
[12:21] <mihir> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1294674
[12:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1294674 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Editing events not working" [Critical,Triaged]
[12:21]  * popey looks
[12:21] <mihir> i have posted video , and it works fine just need confirmation on that
[12:22] <popey> yeah, works here
[12:23] <mihir> Hmm shall we close this?
[12:23] <popey> commented
[12:23] <popey> once we push to the store, yes
[12:23] <popey> fix committed
[12:24] <mihir> popey, thank you :)
[12:24] <popey> no, thank _you_! :D
[12:24] <mihir> and almost all of dogfoods are either in progress or released
[12:24] <mihir> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bugs?field.tag=bacon-dogfood
[12:24] <mihir> so we are good to go in that :)
[12:30] <zsombi> nik90: ok, as I anticipated: The Rectangle is always hidden, which is a bug :(
[12:30] <zsombi> nik90: the rect from teh default layout I mean
[12:54] <zsombi> nik90: ok... so th ecause of the problem is that the default layout is not visible when you get it from the components... the original state is restored to the Rectangle, however that vas still having visible = false, so that's why the rect is hidden
[12:57] <zsombi> nik90: so, at least we know the problem :)
[12:58] <JamesTait> popey, nik90: askubuntu.com/questions/440297
[13:02] <akiva-mobile> Add the installation prefix of "Qt5Core" to CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH or set
[13:02] <akiva-mobile>   "Qt5Core_DIR" to a directory containing one of the above files.  If
[13:02] <akiva-mobile>   "Qt5Core" provides a separate development package or SDK, be sure it has
[13:02] <akiva-mobile>   been installed.
[13:02] <akiva-mobile> qtcreator is giving me this error when running cmake
[13:04] <akiva-mobile> Is this a setting I need to do in Qt creator, a missing package, or do I need to branch it?
[13:13] <AskUbuntu> What's a good way to mock a remote HTTPS API for unit testing my QML app? | http://askubuntu.com/q/440297
[13:15] <sergiusens> popey, hey, latest images and shorts seems to show wrong dates, have you noticed?
[13:17] <popey> i had not
[13:17] <popey> talking to dev now
[13:28] <JoeyChan> sergiusens    I'm dev of shorts    same happen to me
[13:28] <JoeyChan> debug ing now
[13:28] <nik90> JamesTait: thnx. Bookmarked it
[13:29] <nik90> zsombi: ah okay..good to know. Anything I can do on my end to fix it?
[13:30] <sergiusens> JoeyChan, great; might be related to the move to qt 5.2
[13:30] <sergiusens> but I'm just guessing with the basis on when it started
[13:30] <JoeyChan> wow   r250 using 5.2 ?
[13:30] <JoeyChan> I didn't notice that
[13:31] <JoeyChan> I found shorts works well in my desktop
[13:32] <JoeyChan> 5.0.2 in my desktop
[13:54] <zsombi> nik90: nope, I managed to get a fix for it :)
[13:54] <zsombi> nik90: just need to clean up the branch from teh debug mess I've added :D
[13:56] <balloons> JamesTait, on an AP level, you can see an example of it in stock ticker and some other places. The idea is to mock a simple python webserver and call against that.
[13:57] <nik90> zsombi: cool
[13:58] <JamesTait> balloons, I'll take a look later on, thanks!
[13:59] <balloons> JamesTait, https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/stock-ticker-mobile-app/mock-server-for-testing/+merge/194971
[14:00] <JamesTait> Oh, brilliant!
[14:36] <iBelieve> nik90, ping
[14:36] <nik90> iBelieve: pong
[14:38] <iBelieve> hi nik90, I have a question about your instructions for uploading to the PPA. As the last step, it says to use the file project-dashboard_version_all.changes, but I only see  *_source.changes and *_amd64.changes files
[14:38] <iBelieve> nik90, Should I use the _source one?
[14:39] <nik90> iBelieve: I was referring to the file that ends with .changes. On my computer I got a file called, project-dashboard_0.2_source.changes
[14:39] <nik90> iBelieve: and that's what I uploaded to the PPA
[14:40] <iBelieve> nik90, okay, thanks
[14:41] <nik90> iBelieve: ignore the *_amd64.changes file
[14:41] <nik90> iBelieve: you just need the one with *_source.changes
[14:42] <popey> correct
[14:42] <popey> *_source.changes
[14:42] <iBelieve> nik90, I'm uploading the _source.changes file right now. Thanks for your instructions, they're very easy to follow and make the process so simple
[14:42] <nik90> iBelieve: yw :)
[14:43] <iBelieve> I just updated v0.2.1 to the PPA, now I'm going to publish it to the click store and then I'll publicize this version
[14:44] <nik90> iBelieve: awesome..looking forward to it
[14:54] <jesseflb> how does it work?
[14:54] <jesseflb> anyone?
[14:55] <nik90> jesseflb: how does what work?
[14:55] <iBelieve> jesseflb, how does what work?
[14:55] <nik90> iBelieve: lol..coincidence :P
[14:55] <iBelieve> nik90, lol
[14:58] <iBelieve> snwh, ping
[15:24] <popey> nik90: i was watching a film last night on netflix... and as i was scrolling around films / shows it really made me think of Flashback.
[15:24] <nik90> popey: yay :)
[15:43] <popey> hmm i want https://github.com/juj/emscripten-scummvm on my phone
[16:18] <iBelieve> Is there anyone around with a device who could test a click package for me? I'd like to make sure it's launching and working correctly before uploading it to the store.
[16:20] <popey> iBelieve: sure
[16:20] <popey> iBelieve: have you tested with the click-reviewers-tools?
[16:22] <iBelieve> popey, thanks, I'll get you the link in a second once it finishes uploading. Yes, I tested it with the click reviewers tools but I'm a little confused about the desktop_Exec flag. It's passing, even though the Exec= line is a hard-coded path (for the Debian package)
[16:22] <mzanetti> iBelieve: hit me
[16:22] <mzanetti> oh, sorry. wasn't at the end of the log. still can test it too if you want
[16:23] <iBelieve> mzanetti, popey here's the link: http://ubuntuone.com/7Ld2sv4qNSoj0qB94JWhko
[16:25] <popey> iBelieve: i get a warning
[16:25] <popey>       "link": "http://askubuntu.com/questions/417342/what-does-functional-qml-application-uses-qtwebkit-mean/417343",
[16:25] <popey>       "text": "Found files that use unsupported QtWebKit (should use UbuntuWebview or Oxide instead): backend/services/OAuthPage.qml"
[16:26] <popey> doesnt start here iBelieve
[16:26] <popey> i get a black screen
[16:27] <popey> Exec=aa-exec-click -p com.ubuntu.developer.mdspencer.project-dashboard_project-dashboard_0.2.1 -- qmlscene $@ /usr/share/project-dashboard/project-dashboard.qml
[16:27] <popey> yeah, that's never gonna work
[16:27] <popey> needs to be qmlscene $@ ./project-dashboard.qml
[16:27] <nik90> popey: that's how it is for Flashback, Sockworld and so on
[16:27] <nik90> socketworld*
[16:27] <popey> its not
[16:27] <popey> Exec=aa-exec-click -p com.ubuntu.developer.nik90.flashback_Cliffhanger_0.3.3 -- qmlscene   $@ Flashback.qml
[16:28] <popey> thats from the .local/share/applications/foo.desktop file
[16:28] <nik90> hmm..in my .desktop file, I have Exec=qmlscene $@ /usr/share/flashback/Flashback.qml since qmlscene $@ Flashback.qml didn't work on the desktop
[16:29] <iBelieve> popey, thanks for testing. I had a feeling that would happen. Now I've got figure out how to maintain a separate .desktop file for Debian and Click
[16:29] <popey> nik90: do you have Path set ?
[16:29] <nik90> popey: yeah I do
[16:30] <nik90> popey: I followed what was given in Socketworld to help with having the same .desktop file for both debian and click package
[16:30] <popey> Exec=aa-exec-click -p com.ubuntu.developer.majster-pl.socket-world_socket-world_0.9 -- qmlscene   $@ socket-world.qml
[16:30] <popey> same
[16:30] <popey> Exec=qmlscene   $@ socket-world.qml
[16:31] <popey> ^^ thats the one thats in the opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.majster-pl.socket-world/current directory
[16:31] <popey> whhich is what ships with the click
[16:31] <popey> the one in ~/.local is the one munged by the click installer to add the apparmor wrapper
[16:31] <nik90> popey, iBelieve: I just cloned project-dashbaord from the git repository and then installed it on the phonen using qtcreator. It installed and I was able to launch it properly
[16:32] <popey> I dont know what voodoo makes that work
[16:32] <iBelieve> nik90, weird...
[16:32] <iBelieve> nik90, wonder if it's not using the .desktop file?
[16:34] <popey> maybe "click build" futzes with the .desktop file? I dunno
[16:34] <nik90> popey: did you install the click on the desktop using pkcon?
[16:34] <popey> but I just grabbed the com.ubuntu.developer.majster-pl.socket-world_0.9_all.click from the store and unpacked it with ar -x and tar zxvf and the desktop file definitely doesn't have path specified in exec
[16:34] <popey> nik90: i never install clicks on the desktop
[16:35] <nik90> popey: because my .desktop file (in trunk) has Exec hardcoded and that's what I uploaded to store as well.
[16:35] <nik90> so I guess during the click creation, it somehow changes that or something
[16:36] <popey> lemme unpack the click i got from the store
[16:36] <nik90> I just unpacked the click I uploaded few hours back, it has Exec=qmlscene $@ flashback.qml.
[16:36] <nik90> however my trunk has the hardcoded path
[16:36] <popey> nik90: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7169296/
[16:37] <nik90> so the click package changed it
[16:37] <popey> yeah
[16:37] <popey> \o/ click magic
[16:37] <nik90> so why didnt that magic work with project-dashboard?
[16:37] <popey> iBelieve: how did you build that click?
[16:37] <nik90> iBelieve: also in your click package I see .qmlproject.user files which shouldn't be there
[16:38] <iBelieve> popey, I have a script that copies everything into a release dir, removes some files (like .git), inserts the version number, and then builds the click
[16:38] <iBelieve> nik90, thanks I'll remove that
[16:38] <nik90> popey: yup something is wrong with the way that iBelieve created the click
[16:38] <nik90> popey: I just created the click using qtcreator of project-dashboard and there everything is fine
[16:39] <popey> cool
[16:39] <popey> ^ do that iBelieve ☻
[16:40] <iBelieve> nik90, click didn't change it - qtcreator did. Same thing happened when I used qtcreator to make the package
[16:40] <iBelieve> nik90, (refering to a few lines back about the hardcoded path)
[16:41] <iBelieve> popey, can you try the same link again (new package, same version number though)
[16:41] <popey> sure
[16:42] <nik90> iBelieve: the new click package is now correct
[16:42] <iBelieve> nik90, you used the same link I gave popey?
[16:42] <nik90> iBelieve: yup
[16:42] <nik90> but let's wait to hear from popey
[16:43] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-28-164254.png
[16:43] <iBelieve> popey, yeah!
[16:43] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-28-164314.png
[16:43] <iBelieve> nik90, cool, because that was built using my same script just with the Exec= line changed so it's not hardcoded. I plan to make a second script for packaging the deb
[16:43] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-28-164338.png
[16:44] <iBelieve> nik90, then I can have my desktop icon for the deb :)
[16:44] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-28-164402.png
[16:44] <popey> hehe, the timer sometimes leaps seconds
[16:44] <nik90> iBelieve: indeed :)
[16:44] <popey> 1->3
[16:44] <iBelieve> popey, awesome, glad to see it's working. Thanks for the screenshots
[16:44] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-28-164441.png
[16:44] <popey> np
[16:44] <popey> enough now? ☻
[16:44] <nik90> popey: lol the same issue as with the clock app from long time ago :P
[16:45] <popey> ☻
[16:45] <iBelieve> popey, it's a bug in the SDK probably. because I have it set to redisplay every second. However, the time is based on the time elapsed since the timer was started, so it won't affect the accuracy of the results.
[16:46] <popey> right
[16:46] <nik90> iBelieve: actually it is a timing issue. The timer you run isn't being executed every second due to activity in the same thread
[16:46] <nik90> iBelieve: btw what is the activity indicator on the top right with a number inside it indicate?
[16:46] <iBelieve> nik90, interesting.
[16:46] <nik90> iBelieve: also I get connection error dialog boxes after the project import is done
[16:47] <iBelieve> nik90, oh, the number was for debugging to make sure it works. I forgot to remove it.
[16:47] <iBelieve> nik90, that's odd about the error. Did you connect to a valid project? I don't have checking set up yet to make sure the repository you connected to exists
[16:48] <kalikiana> nik90: have you had a chance to look at the SortFilterModel API? https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1B0yHmPr5yOHri3zZLtRba7eYhTR_K374zZAdED7xgy8/edit
[16:48] <nik90> iBelieve: I imported one of my old github projects. The import went fine and I see the issues and pull requests. But I still see the connection error dialogs sometimes. I have to press couple of times to hide them
[16:48] <iBelieve> nik90, the activity indicator runs the first time you create a project. After that synchronization happens in the background.
[16:49] <nik90> kalikiana: yeah I had a look at it briefly. I was trying to cross-check with all the use cases in mind
[16:49] <iBelieve> nik90, hmm, did it give the URL that failed to load?
[16:49] <nik90> iBelieve: the error I got was "Connection Error. Unable to complete action: undefined"
[16:49] <kalikiana> nik90: cool, no rush just checking
[16:49] <iBelieve> nik90, would you mind giving the name of the repo (assuming it's public) so I can debug it?
[16:49] <nik90> and the activity indicator is still running all the time
[16:50] <nik90> iBelieve: sure.
[16:50] <iBelieve> nik90, I'm still working on adding better error messages
[16:50] <nik90> iBelieve: https://github.com/krnekhelesh/NSTrain
[16:50] <snwh> iBelieve, you rang?
[16:50] <nik90> kalikiana: I am making notes of the document.
[16:51] <iBelieve> nik90, weird - I didn't get any errors
[16:51] <iBelieve> nik90, can you turn off the GitHub plugin and then try again?
[16:52] <nik90> iBelieve: ok. let me try
[16:53] <iBelieve> oh... and I also changed the issue body to display the JSON for debugging and accidentally committed that :)
[16:54] <iBelieve> snwh, I was wondering about the 256x256 icon for Project Dashboard - it looks like there's transparent whitespace at the top and bottom, so it looks funny when I use, i.e. on my Google+ page. Is there anyway to get the icon to extend to the edges and be a perfect square?
[16:54] <nik90> iBelieve: okay I don't get the connection error any more. Just got it once while navigating into an issue, but couldn't reproduce it.
[16:55] <iBelieve> nik90, thanks for reporting it. I'll work on better error checking/messages and see if I notice it at all.
[16:55] <nik90> iBelieve: a few UI behaviour seems a bit strange. I will report bug reports for that.
[16:56] <iBelieve> nik90, thanks, much appreciated
[16:57] <snwh> iBelieve, it's true
[17:01] <snwh> iBelieve, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7027392/pd.png
[17:02] <popey> I like that icon.
[17:02] <iBelieve> thanks snwh, my google+ page will be very happy :)
[17:03] <snwh> iBelieve, for the G+ I can give you the hires version
[17:03] <iBelieve> snwh, that would be cool too
[17:03] <snwh> same link
[17:04] <snwh> popey, :)
[17:06] <snwh> iBelieve, ^
[17:07] <iBelieve> snwh, thanks
[18:22] <iBelieve> nik90, ping
[18:29] <jdstrand> mzanetti: weird, authenticator is telling me that no accounts are set up... I used it earlier today (I think, definitely yesterday). did something change on google's end?
[18:29] <jdstrand> no, that should be it. iirc, this doesn't even have the networking permission
[18:29] <jdstrand> shouldn't*
[18:40] <candelibas> Hi guys, I'm developing a sound recorder application for ubuntu.I'm using Cordova API and trying to find a way for pausing record.Anyone have an idea?
[18:46] <candelibas> I didn't find any pause method for recording.I think I will extend media plugin or create own plugin
[18:46] <sarnold> candelibas: what would a 'pause' provide that 'stop' and 'start' don't provide?
[18:53] <candelibas> sarnold: 'stop' method finishes record session.So,I can't resume for recording.There is no already method for this(asking if any).Therefore, I must find another way.


[16:15] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu is Finally Taking Linux Gaming Seriously @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/ubuntu-is-looking-for-a-desktop-gaming-manager (by Joey Sneddon)
[21:29] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue716 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue716 :D
[21:31] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: T-Rex Slash, TV, and Matrix Effects Added to Burn My Windows Extension @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/t-rex-slash-tv-and-matrix-effects-added-to-burn-my-windows-extension (by Joey Sneddon)


[01:37] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I've made comment on one, and suggested edit on another so far..
[01:39] <Bashing-om> guiverc: :D I play catchup now.
[01:39] <guiverc> note: I'm still reading
[01:40] <guiverc> almost no updates!   don't recall that prior years (but we may have skipped release this week most probably thus I don't recall it)
[01:41] <guiverc> finished read thru..
[02:09] <Bashing-om> WIKI: 502 proxy error ! - See later if the server comes back to life.
[02:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: WIKI - looks like they are working on it (on a Sunday ?) as I now get "Internal Server Error" rather than the proxy error.
[02:26] <guiverc> sorry Bashing-om , I was testing a lubuntu script on another box in another room...
[02:27] <guiverc> I can make the change required, I can edit wiki.  what did you intend changing to?
[02:27] <Bashing-om> guiverc: :D these 1st world problems!
[02:27]  * guiverc yep 1st world problem.. i got bored of silence so had music play.. forgetting it was silent for a reason..
[02:28] <Bashing-om> guiverc: If you can "continue" to authenticate - I should too. lemme try again and see what I get.
[02:28] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I was already logged in... so my issue maybe different if SSO is being changed..
[02:30] <Bashing-om> guiverc: OK .. we make then the edits on Gdoc for you to copy back to the WIKI .
[02:37] <Bashing-om> guiverc: On the WIKI attempting to login for editing I still get the proxy error - so yeah - I made the edits (2) on Gdoc, can you transfer them to our WIKI ?
[02:37] <guiverc> have a look now - look okay?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue663
[02:40] <guiverc> oopss  sorry
[02:42] <guiverc> I copy new below original for check (pre-delete)... forgot to delete the Xfce original... fixed now
[02:44] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - the edited is below the originals.
[02:45] <guiverc> refresh page and Xfce should be fixed now :)
[02:47] <guiverc> wiki does feel slow...
[02:52] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Xfce 4.16 released: a camel case on "GitLab" - that I am sure I had fixed earlier; and we still need that "are" in the sentence "along with many other improvements listed," .... are listed.
[03:02] <guiverc> so s/GitLab/Gitlab/
[03:06] <guiverc> your changes should be done.. (when wiki catches up)
[03:26] <Bashing-om> guiverc: All now looks good on the WIKI- could not have been done without you . All set now to publish tomorrow (server willing).
[03:31] <Bashing-om> A puase for a cause - hitting the rain locker. Back in a bit.
[03:46] <guiverc> http://feeds.feedburner.com/ubuntu-fridge   hasn't updated since UWN 660  (two UWNs not listed there)  is that a concern??, or easily fixed by us (feedburner is google i think)
[04:06] <guiverc> i see where feedburner feed is added, but I can't provide new feed as "ubuntu-fridge" is already taken.. ie. may need change by whomever set it up, don't see any documentation on who that is on wiki
[04:09] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ^ I have also noted that http://ubuntu-news.org/ is not updateing with latest UWNs.
[04:14] <guiverc> that one does matter (to me anyway; far more than a google feed)
[04:14] <guiverc> if we get that fixed, we may discover the google feed works automatically :)
[04:18] <Bashing-om> guiverc: This too may happen :D
[04:40] <guiverc> t0mb0, do you have any pointers as to why ubuntu-news.org isn't updating from fridge.ubuntu.com, or how to fix
[05:05] <t0mb0> guiverc, let me take a look
[05:06] <t0mb0> guiverc, FYI we're still following up the ubuntu-community theme issues internally
[05:07] <t0mb0> guiverc, it's because ubuntu-news.org is still pointing to the old site
[05:08] <t0mb0> guiverc, I'll update DNS to point to the new one
[05:08] <guiverc> thank you t0mb0 :)
[05:26] <t0mb0> guiverc, it's a public holiday today so I don't have anyone to perform the necessary reviews, I'll let you know when DNS has been updated
[05:28] <guiverc> thank you t0mb0, yeah a non-boxing boxing day...
[05:28] <t0mb0> I forgot it was an observed holiday today lol
[14:25] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: 5 Best Linux Distro Releases of 2020, Including Fedora, Manjaro & Pop!_OS @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/12/5-best-linux-distros-2020 (by Joey Sneddon)
[18:00] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Alan Pope: Notifications on Task Completion @ https://popey.com/blog/2020/12/notifications-on-task-completion/
[19:33] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Costales: Ubuntu y otras hierbas S05E02: Apple M1 y Linux ante ARM. Edge llega a Linux @ https://costales.github.io/posts/podcast-ubuntu-y-otras-hierbas-s05e02/
[20:51] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - log checked and no further edits are known. pushing out soonest.
[21:07] <guiverc> Bashing-om, ok or ready to push to 663 to fridge ?  (or tell me when; or worse if changes needed/discovered; I've grabbed already)
[21:13] <Bashing-om> guiverc: So far so good = will have ubuntu-news@lists. out shortly and advise when out.
[21:14] <guiverc> roger, will publish on your okay   (then tweet..)
[21:17] <Bashing-om> guiverc: UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - Doing the form post/verification next.
[21:22] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Forum post completed - no issues are known - push away to the social medias :D
[21:22] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I can do the Social Media
[21:22] <guiverc> I don't think of it as social media; but https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/12/28/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-663/
[21:22] <guiverc> thanks Wild_Man :)
[21:23] <Wild_Man> Doing now
[21:25] <Bashing-om> UWN: Doing the re-directs.
[21:25] <guiverc> with luck Bashing-om ubuntu-news will be fixed later today (or soon anyway; DNS issue; was pointing to older..; that'll fix I'm expecting feedlist too)
[21:26] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Outstanding - I did see the conversation in the logs :D
[21:26] <guiverc> :)  your ubuntu-news was key !
[21:31] <Wild_Man> All done, I was going to do the fridge too since I am home but I was on the phone and guiverc I think is here earlier then norma
[21:31] <Wild_Man> normal
[21:33] <guiverc> :)   I'd have thought ~normal time (0745)... turned box on before I feed birds (prior 8am..) ..
[21:36]  * Bashing-om was running just a bit behind my -normal- time - all good now.
[21:36] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wild_Man: Clear now to wipe the old Gdoc ? - redirects all done too.
[21:37] <guiverc> yep, clear away
[21:37] <Wild_Man> Yep
[21:37] <Bashing-om> doing clear :P
[21:45] <Bashing-om> UWN: We do December 27, 2020 - January 2, 2021. Same song new ryme.
[21:46] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 663 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/12/28/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-663/
[21:49] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check - checks wonderful.
[21:49] <guiverc> :)


[00:13] <TchnQ> looks like it must fix it....going for reboot
[00:32] <laire_> hello
[00:34] <charlie-tca> !hi | laire_
[00:35] <laire_> I have the problem that my display ist too small for some windows, @ gnome it was possible to move them with alt+left mouse over the top from the display but with xubuntu it dont work
[00:36] <charlie-tca> I can move mine with Alt+left mouse
[00:37] <_Techie_> man its good to be back
[00:37] <charlie-tca> You might have something set in Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manger -> Window manager tweaks    that is stopping it?
[00:38] <charlie-tca> Check the Accessibility tab to make sure it Alt is the right key, too
[00:39] <laire_> ok i search
[00:39] <charlie-tca> !away > _TechAway_
[00:42] <laire_> charlie: i have installed the german version i dont find what you mean
[00:44] <laire_> ok i have it, thx
[00:47] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[00:47] <charlie-tca> it is much harder when you have to try and translate the menus, isn't it?
[00:52] <dwarf2000> Suggestion: make the menu editable.
[00:58] <charlie-tca> already done. Xfce 4.8 has editable menus using alacarte or any other menu editor
[00:59] <charlie-tca> They will be available in natty
[01:20] <dwarf2000> Sweet
[01:21] <dwarf2000> Can't wait for the new version :)
[01:21] <dwarf2000> When will it be released?
[03:07] <seanlaptop> hi all .. i was wondering if someone out there could help me out?
[03:08] <seanlaptop> i need some help with samba and sharing files between my Windows 7 pc and my Xubuntu laptop
[03:08] <seanlaptop> any takers wanna help
[03:08] <seanlaptop> ?
[03:43] <YankeesFan> !staff
[03:43] <YankeesFan> !ops
[04:08] <xubuntu027> hello every one
[04:21] <xGrind> xubun; hello
[05:23] <matty75> well... i have nvidia drivers, broadcom and a correct screen resolution! it's been a successful day
[05:23] <matty75> but... no sound
[05:23] <matty75> and... my desktop icons are gone...
[05:23] <kofte> hi
[05:23] <matty75> hi kofte
[05:24] <kofte> hi matty75
[05:25] <kofte> Question: I saw on the Ubuntu forum that "since Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx), Skype is part of the Canonical partner repository".  I just installed Xubuntu 10.04.  Would that repository work, or is it only for standard Ubuntu?
[05:28] <matty75> i don't have an answer for you on that one... i usually go to skype.com and dl it... the package should be a .deb which should work in xubuntu
[05:29] <kofte> I prefer using a repository for updates
[05:31] <matty75> the ubuntu reps should work... but i'm not 100%
[05:31] <matty75> sure
[05:32] <kofte> actually, there's a Skype repository that is already working, but it's unsigned.  If possible, I'd use the Canonical repositories, but it's not a big deal at the moment.  To some extent, it's an academic question: whether repositories work across different Ubuntu distributions
[05:50] <kofte> later
[09:08] <xubuntu178> im thinking about dl xubuntu...any good
[09:10] <xubuntu178> i have ubuntu but drain my laptop battery pretty quick, so debating b/t xubuntu or lubuntu
[09:10] <Sysi> take off desktop effects
[09:11] <xubuntu178> i did
[09:11] <Sysi> you can easily try different desktops without reinstall you know
[09:11] <Sysi> !xubuntu
[09:12] <xubuntu178> tosh sat 17.3" is a resource hog...lol
[09:12] <Sysi> you propably can't get very long battery life
[09:12] <Sysi> keep screen dim
[09:13] <xubuntu178> ino...got it as a repalcement desktop, but i need for a trip next week & win 7 is a real drain
[09:14] <xubuntu178> so im tryin every distro, prefer deb apt get over rpm
[09:14] <Sysi> lubuntu may feel limited expecially if you're used to gnome, but as well it can have everything you need
[09:15] <Sysi> surprisingly xfce is my favourite, although i'm currently on kde netbook-plasma
[09:15] <Sysi> uses significantly more battery than xfce
[09:16] <xubuntu178> ino i had kubuntu on drained batt in less than 2 hrs
[09:16] <xubuntu178> pclinuxos is the worse
[09:17] <xubuntu178> maybe ill try ubuntu netbook
[09:18] <Sysi> i think beetween xubuntu and lubuntu it's more about what programs you're using
[09:18] <xubuntu178> anyways thnx Sysi
[09:20] <xubuntu178> i've used mint xfce, lxde, cb open box & antiX in the past
[09:21] <Sysi> archlinux for really minimal
[09:22] <xubuntu178> thats when i had a old dell dimension 2400
[09:22] <Sysi> i've tried fedora, arch, suse, debian and ubuntu, with kde, gnome, xfce, and lxde and seems i always go back to xubuntu
[10:11] <ysis> Hi, I'm on Xubuntu 10.10 and have a floppy related issue: I have a line "/dev/fd0 /media/floppy vfat utf8,nosuid,user,noauto 0 0" in my /etc/fstab and the floppy is nicely mounted when I click on the desktop icon and the permissions of /media/floppy change to that of the mounting user. Now I also have a floppy disk entry in Thunar's sidebar and the Places menu in the panel. But the desktop icon and the other two options seems to be unrelated
[10:14] <Sysi> cutted after 'unrelated'
[10:29] <ysis> Sysi: I got help in #xfce. Thanks nevertheless.
[10:30] <Sysi> i'm there too
[10:31] <ysis> Roger. :o)
[13:17] <knome> inserting dvd won't do anything after changed the "autoplay dvd" command to vlc
[13:17] <knome> ideas?
[14:16] <Lord_Rahl> I install xubuntu 10.04 i was surprised how gnome stiff it install metacity, nautilus, and few other things.
[14:17] <Lord_Rahl> I ripe them out and found on problem. just can of found it weird..
[14:18] <Lord_Rahl> guess everyone is sleeping :)
[14:38] <TheSheep> it doesn't install nautilus...
[15:02] <Lord_Rahl> TheSheep, It did for for me. I install just the server then I install xubuntu-desktop. Trick from Fab (Linux outlaws)
[15:03] <Lord_Rahl> that way you do not wast more time down loading updates
[15:04] <Lord_Rahl> I think it may pull it down for the menu editor shared lib anyway I ripe it out
[15:06] <charlie-tca> If you install any other version first, that will install things that Xubuntu will not install. Xubuntu did not install Nautilus, Ubuntu did when you installed it.
[15:08] <Lord_Rahl> nope just  install the server and then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[15:08] <charlie-tca> and server is Ubuntu, not Xubuntu
[15:09] <Lord_Rahl> no big deal. I that it was odd maybe it some package I install or some thing. i dont know
[15:10] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu does not install nautilus. If you follow an installation that is not recommended to install it, you expect strange things to happen
[15:11] <Lord_Rahl> no big deal It all straighten out.
[15:11] <Lord_Rahl> Have you trade the alpha yet? What you think
[15:12] <Lord_Rahl> tried*
[15:12] <charlie-tca> yes, I have. I think it will be a good release in April
[15:14] <Lord_Rahl> if it anything like the 4.6 ppa It will good
[15:14] <Lord_Rahl> I think XFCE will gain a few user because of Unity
[15:18] <charlie-tca> time will tell. Unity is a very nice desktop environment
[18:30] <craigbass1976> I've got a neighbor on a pretty slow connection.  The openjdk update is stalling and dying.  Can I jsut grab a package off of my already updated computer and run over with a thumb drive to do the update that way?
[18:32] <craigbass1976> My next question is...  Is this package screwy anyway?  As I was typing my last question, I got my own error that I "Failed to Open Package Files" and I'm trying to install that same package on this fresh xubuntu install
[18:32] <craigbass1976> Lord_Rahl, Is that a Terry Goodkind nick you have?
[18:40] <Lord_Rahl> Thanks love the books
[18:40] <Lord_Rahl> that and I could not think of anything lol
[18:42] <craigbass1976> I haven't read anything for a while, maybe the pillars one.  Didn't he come out with something very "un" fantasy?
[18:44] <Lord_Rahl> hes last book the laws of nine - that was still base on the same universe -
[18:47] <Lord_Rahl> wikipedia said he coming out a new book soon
[18:48] <craigbass1976> He was getting a bit political; the one where he's a slave and carves a statue.
[18:49] <Lord_Rahl> true.. good story if you disregard all that.
[18:50] <Lord_Rahl> I dont like the tv series at all it all messed up
[19:19] <morrowind> Hi, I'm trying to install xubuntu 10.04 on an old 1.4GHz, 256MBs RAM laptop and it isn't working
[19:20] <morrowind> I select to run Live CD and it shows the Xubuntu logo and then the screen goes blank and nothing happens
[19:21] <morrowind> is there anything else I can try? I really don't wanna have to go back to XP on it
[19:21] <charlie-tca> It will take it a while to run, with the limited ram. You can also try the alternate image
[19:21] <morrowind> what's the alternate image?
[19:21] <charlie-tca> I wait as much as 5 minutes to get screens on my old pc
[19:21] <charlie-tca> which versionof Xubuntu?
[19:21] <morrowind> I was trying to run 10.04LTS
[19:22] <charlie-tca> alternate image is available here - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.04/release/
[19:22] <morrowind> and it's been like 10 minutes and the screen is still blank
[19:22] <charlie-tca> It installs without using the gui installer, which can be faster
[19:23] <morrowind> I see
[19:23] <morrowind> so the install is text based?
[19:23] <charlie-tca> does the live desktop come up on the pc?
[19:23] <charlie-tca> yes, the alternate cd uses a text-based installer
[19:23] <morrowind> like I said, it's been 10 minutes and the screen is still blank. So how do I know that it will run once I get it installed?
[19:24] <morrowind> could it be a video driver problem
[19:24] <morrowind> I've gotten 9.04 to boot to desktop no problems
[19:24] <morrowind> but there isn't any support for 9.04 anymore
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Have you been able to get the 10.04 to boot to the desktop ?
[19:24] <morrowind> no, it's still on a blank screen
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I would nót install it then
[19:25] <charlie-tca> try 10.10 instead
[19:25] <morrowind> does 10.10 have better driver support?
[19:25] <charlie-tca> If you can not get a desktop with the cd, you probably won't get one after installing
[19:27] <Sysi> what graphics card, old intel?
[19:28] <morrowind> yea
[19:29] <morrowind> yea definitely intel
[19:29] <morrowind> it's an old celeron m processor
[19:29] <morrowind> not sure if that makes much of a difference
[19:29] <Sysi> try nomodeset as boot option
[19:29] <Sysi> or acpi=off
[19:30] <Sysi> 10.10 might work better, newer drivers
[19:30] <Sysi> i've also heard it's better on low-memory system
[19:30] <morrowind> no acpi disables power modes, what does "nomodeset" do?
[19:31] <Sysi> acpi handles more than that afaik, nomodeset is one ption for graphics driver
[19:32] <Sysi> you can google for KMS
[19:32] <morrowind> okay I'll try those boot options and if that doesn't work then I will try 10.10. Thank you
[20:39] <woody_noob> hello all. new to linux. using xubuntu. also first time on irc. i have spent 3 days working on a problem trying to get xorg to set my color depth to 16. probably 8 hours or so. anybody offer some help?
[20:41] <TheSheep> woody_noob: sure, start by pastebin-ing your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:41] <woody_noob> k
[20:43] <woody_noob> the Xorg.0.log is a few hundred lines long. mostly [  4761.380] (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument
[20:44] <woody_noob> geting xorg.conf now
[20:46] <woody_noob> when i "locate xorg.conf" from terminal i get 9 instances, all under /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[20:46] <woody_noob> when i try to use mousepad to open xorg.conf it is blank
[20:47] <woody_noob> oops. you said pastebin
[20:47] <woody_noob> i need to google how to do that.
[20:48] <charlie-tca> !pastebin
[20:48] <woody_noob> yeah. i found it. doing it now
[20:51] <woody_noob> xorg.0.log is otw
[20:53] <TheSheep> woody_noob: ok, then what were you changing for the last 8 hours if not your xorg.conf?
[20:53] <woody_noob> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563555/
[20:53] <woody_noob> well, mostly googleing not changing
[20:54] <woody_noob> i did add some stuff to the xorg.conf although it was blank to start with
[20:54] <woody_noob> it didn't like that much
[20:54] <TheSheep> woody_noob: ok, try this, edit your /etc/default/grub
[20:55] <woody_noob> cant pastbin xorg.conf due to it being blank
[20:55] <TheSheep> woody_noob: as root
[20:55] <woody_noob> sudo mousepade /etc/default/grug
[20:55] <woody_noob> like that
[20:55] <TheSheep> grub
[20:55] <TheSheep> but yes
[20:55] <TheSheep> there should be a line like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash"
[20:55] <TheSheep> or "quiet splash"
[20:56] <woody_noob> quiet splash
[20:56] <TheSheep> add a "nomodeset" to it, so that it reads "quiet splash nomodeset"
[20:56] <woody_noob> k
[20:56] <TheSheep> then run
[20:56] <TheSheep> sudo grub-update
[20:57] <TheSheep> to write your changes
[20:57] <TheSheep> and reboot to see if it works
[20:58] <woody_noob> k. doing.
[21:00] <woody_noob> rebooting
[21:03] <TheSheep> woody_noob: any luck?
[21:04] <woody_noob> it booted. should i know look to see if xorg.conf is blank?
[21:05] <woody_noob> still blank
[21:05] <TheSheep> it will stay blank
[21:05] <TheSheep> look if you still have the errors in the log
[21:05] <woody_noob> k
[21:08] <woody_noob> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563566/
[21:08] <woody_noob> still has errors
[21:10] <TheSheep> do you know what graphics card you have?
[21:10] <TheSheep> what does lspci | grep VGA   say?
[21:11] <woody_noob> intel 815
[21:11] <woody_noob> i'll look in lspci tho
[21:12] <woody_noob> woody@woody-MX3560:~$ lspci | grep VGA
[21:12] <woody_noob> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[21:12] <woody_noob> glxgears looks good
[21:13] <woody_noob> problem is 815 chip doens't do 3d acceleration in 24 color depth, only 16
[21:19] <TheSheep> I assume you have looked at the forums?
[21:19] <TheSheep> You might ask on #ubuntu, that part is the same and there are way more people in there
[21:20] <woody_noob> k
[21:20] <woody_noob> thanks for your help bro.
[21:20] <woody_noob> or bro-ette
[22:37] <ball> Does Xubuntu use the same network manager thing as (Gnome) Ubuntu?
[23:15] <imran> I could not get the BTRFS to work with my setup of 11.04 - natty for xubuntu.
[23:15] <imran> didn't have an issue with the same on 10.10 on ubuntu -any one know a work around ?
[23:16] <Ycarene> What's the latest nvidia drivers that jockey pulls down?
[23:58] <calz> hello everyone
[23:58] <calz> can someone answer something


[00:27] <JontheEchidna> it's time to play "why won't this compile?": http://paste.kde.org/496388/
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> (the answer will make you go http://i.imgur.com/FVKBw.png)
[00:31] <sreich> idk, wild guess..sub is const?
[00:31] <sreich> could you give a hint?
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> it is related to sub
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> just be sure to check the whole loop
[00:33] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: it pulled and installed
[00:34] <Daskreech> Logging out to try it
[00:34] <sreich> eh? you're redefining sub?
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> dingdingding!
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> gcc 4.7 doesn't let you do that
[00:35] <sreich> well good, it shouldn't ;)
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> right :)
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> just made me chuckle when I was rebuilding kmediafactory :P
[00:57] <Daskreech> Anyone tested 4.8.80 on Quantal?
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> running it now
[01:01] <Daskreech> Ok Have you had any issues with plasma widgets?
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> anything in particular?
[01:05] <Daskreech> Well when I click on add widgets I get a blank panel
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> works for me™ http://i.imgur.com/oGa2C.jpg
[01:12] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: http://imgur.com/sKOcV
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> lol, your IRC client automatically converted the UTF tm character to (TM)
[01:14] <Daskreech> tm ?
[01:14] <Daskreech> Oh Your TM :)
[01:14] <Daskreech> Yes it did
[01:19] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: So  any idea what would be missing I think I have all the workspace and  plasma packages installed
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> not really :(
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> gwenview seems to be the only package that hasn't been built (well, there's ksnapshot on powerpc, but...)
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> and other than that, the only things missing are these: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue
[01:23] <Daskreech> ok let me try install something I know should be there
[01:26] <Daskreech> kdebase-runtime wasn't installed
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> might do it
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> oh
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> except it's called kde-runtime now
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-runtime's just an empty transitional package that depends on kde-runtime
[01:27] <Daskreech> looks so
[01:27] <Daskreech> kdebase-apps is similar
[01:27] <Daskreech> why the renaming?
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> kde dun it
[01:29] <Daskreech> Ah for the frameworks move?
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> nope, more of the move to git
[01:29] <Daskreech> ok installed that and restarted plasma. No change
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> this happened at 4.7
[01:29] <Daskreech> Let me try figure out something else
[01:30] <Daskreech> ha adept is still in the repos :-)
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> not for long, I fear
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> it's currently being synced from debian, and debian removed it
[01:30] <Daskreech> I was surprised it was still there. I thought the authour asked it to be killed
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> I don't remember him explicitly saying as much. Last I heard is that he would no longer be doing work on it, and others could pick it up if they wanted
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> but nobody did, 3.0 never got released and it was RC-buggy so Debian has recently removed it
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> next time an archive admin goes through the debian removals list, it will be gone forever
[01:33] <Daskreech> Yep I liked Adept but it's dead
[01:35] <Daskreech> argh
[01:35] <Daskreech> ok need to figure out the dbus way to add a  widget
[01:37] <sreich> doubt it's possible
[01:37]  * Daskreech sighs
[01:43] <Daskreech> sreich: Any ideas on what would make the plasma Add Widgets dialog disappear?
[01:44] <sreich> its contents are empty?
[03:33] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [999054] DrKonqi should suggest to add dbgsym packages @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/999054 (by Dennis Schridde)
[09:28] <apachelogger> yofel_: workspace and runtime
[09:51] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [999054] DrKonqi should suggest to add dbgsym packages @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/999054 (by Dennis Schridde)
[09:53] <shadeslayer> hm, that's weird, kde-runtime still fails even after upstream confirmed that updating sdo will fix it
[10:13] <yofel_> shadeslayer: give rebuilding soprano and/or nepomuk a try
[11:00] <Tm_T> version: 1.0 https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/amarok/
[11:14] <yofel> o.O
[11:20] <yofel> df
[11:20] <yofel> -.-
[11:25] <shadeslayer> sigh
[11:55] <Riddell> yofel, shadeslayer: what's wrong with that amarok page?
[11:55] <yofel> the version
[11:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Version : 1.0
[11:55] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:02] <Riddell> weirdly broken that is
[12:04] <Ezim> hi guys how is it going with kde 4.8.4?
[12:06] <Riddell> Ezim: stil in testing I think
[12:07] <Ezim> :( okey... Ezim misses kubuntu...
[12:08] <Ezim> :( after pulseaudio failure after kde 4.8.3 with kubuntu.... Ezim have been distrohopping.. and that have taken my power... everything was so good with kde 4.8.2
[12:26] <shadeslayer> huh, that's interesting, gcc maintainers say they cannot reproduce the bug
[12:33] <shadeslayer> :|
[12:41] <yofel> shadeslayer: question, who did you ask about required s-d-o version? and which package requires it?
[12:42]  * yofel uploaded a rebuild for nepomuk in the meanwhile
[12:44] <shadeslayer> oh shoot
[12:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: I uploaded it as well
[12:44] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: vHanda
[12:45] <shadeslayer> I don't understand the second part of your question
[12:45] <yofel> well, which package exactly requires s-d-o 0.9? Because whatever it is, it's build system requirements are wrong then
[12:45] <shadeslayer> sec
[12:46] <yofel> well, if the current retry of runtime fails it's probably nepomuk
[12:47] <shadeslayer> yep, he said it's nepomuk-core
[12:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/496592/
[12:48] <yofel> ah nvm
[12:48] <yofel> he fixed it in git
[12:48] <yofel> sry
[12:48] <shadeslayer> hm :)
[12:55] <shadeslayer> ok question, say package a build depends on b, can we somehow extract the version of b which a was built against without parsing the build log?
[13:00] <shadeslayer> I suppose not
[13:02] <debfx> there is dh-buildinfo but I'm not convinced storing such information in /usr/share/doc is a good idea
[13:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[13:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pong
[14:08] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1010966] KDM doesn't allow login into Unity, Gnome3, Unity 2D... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1010966 (by Tommy_CZ)
[14:09] <apachelogger> so I had thought about things yesterday, then I had a wine incident and now I can't remember what the conclusions of my thoughts were
[14:09] <apachelogger> somewhat unfortunate
[14:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that's why I carry a notebook with me at all times
[14:10] <shadeslayer> I've had that happen to me a couple of times :|
[14:10] <shadeslayer> not with wine however
[14:10] <apachelogger> yofel: we does not have wikipage/etherpad for release packaging tooling considerations, do we?
[14:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I cannot think while writing
[14:11] <yofel> no that I know of
[14:11] <apachelogger> also I cannot write while thinking
[14:11] <apachelogger> yofel: that is very lame then :P
[14:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no, you think and then write down your thoughts
[14:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is a cumbersome method
[14:11] <apachelogger> the writing would interrupt the thinking
[14:11] <apachelogger> preventing perhaps greater thoughts of appearing
[14:11] <shadeslayer> doubt it
[14:11] <apachelogger> s/of/from
[14:12] <apachelogger> oh yes, I tell ya
[14:12] <shadeslayer> then again, it might be that I'm incapable of greater thoughts :P
[14:12] <apachelogger> often I was on a thought train to nirvana, then had to write down crap for the sake of not forgetting ....
[14:12] <apachelogger> all was lost
[14:12] <apachelogger> hence I am no buddha
[14:12] <shadeslayer> xD
[14:12] <apachelogger> stupid writing
[14:13] <apachelogger> I believe the secret is really to not start drinking when done with thinking
[14:14] <apachelogger> also every time I glimps at the channel topic I read "with extra gay"
[14:15] <apachelogger> humhum
[14:16] <apachelogger> debfx: u got time to investigate SRUbility of bug 991891
[14:16] <apachelogger> and if full release SRU is out of the question, cherry pick
[14:22] <apachelogger> yofel: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-sonic-screwdriver
[14:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how's my data coming along btw?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> I have a couple of ideas
[14:22] <shadeslayer> I don't have a vast exapnsive sea of text
[14:23] <shadeslayer> but just 2-3 lines about where we can improve
[14:23] <apachelogger> it aint data without a vast expansive sea of text!
[14:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see, I wanted data on where we spend time, cause otherwise you cannot decide where we should improve :P
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how can that be more than 2-3 lines
[14:23] <apachelogger> there is much that can be improved, ROI on most of that is however low to not existing at all :P
[14:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas folks
[14:30] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs did I write that Oo
[14:30] <apachelogger> ahoy BluesKaj
[14:35] <BluesKaj> hey apachelogger
[14:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, what's with ktp release?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: they're fixing their git tags :P
[14:40] <apachelogger> G
[15:05] <apachelogger> anyone feels like fixing bug 918765?
[15:06] <apachelogger> kubotu: rss watch qt-bugs
[15:06] <kubotu> done
[15:07] <Daskreech> sreich: Sorry
[15:07] <Daskreech> Knocked out
[15:07] <Daskreech> sreich: Add Widgets is an empty panel
[15:08] <Daskreech> as seen in  http://imgur.com/sKOcV
[15:09] <sreich> ah yeah,  i've had that happen when i build from source for some reason
[15:09] <sreich> run plasma from terminal, enabvle kdebugdialog, check output
[15:09] <sreich> probably some qml error/warning
[15:09] <Daskreech> Knocked outself2012ok
[15:10] <Daskreech> hmm
[15:10] <Daskreech> ok
[15:12] <Daskreech> yep file:///usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/packages/org.kde.desktop.widgetexplorer/contents/ui/main.qml
[15:13] <Daskreech> I guess that should be generated by the desktop plasma package?
[15:14] <Daskreech> oh wait no it exists
[15:16] <Daskreech> Error loading QML file.
[15:16] <Daskreech> 274: Type AppletDelegate unavailable
[15:16] <Daskreech> 76: Cannot assign to non-existent property "onDragStarted
[15:16] <Daskreech> Is the error
[15:17] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, the kubuntu  backports GPG Key retrieve is timing out , https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[15:18] <apachelogger> how do you retrieve the key?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, sudo apt-key adv --keyserver kesyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 8AC93F7A
[15:20] <apachelogger> yes
[15:20] <apachelogger> bogus server
[15:20] <apachelogger> kesy
[15:20] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, bogus server ?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> how could that be?
[15:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: dns kesyserver.ubuntu.com
[15:22] <kubotu> kesyserver.ubuntu.com: not found
[15:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: dns keyserver.ubuntu.com
[15:22] <kubotu> keyserver.ubuntu.com: not found
[15:22] <apachelogger> fun
[15:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: is your dns resolver broken? ^^
[15:23] <apachelogger> kubotu: host kesyserver.ubuntu.com
[15:23] <shadeslayer> or, you know, the keyserver is down or sth
[15:23] <shadeslayer> kubotu: dns google.com
[15:23] <kubotu> google.com: not found
[15:23] <shadeslayer> wat
[15:23] <apachelogger> no
[15:23] <shadeslayer> kubotu: host google.com
[15:23] <apachelogger> kubotu: host keyserver.ubuntu.com
[15:23] <kubotu> google.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:23] <kubotu> google.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:23] <kubotu> google.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:23] <kubotu> google.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:23] <kubotu> google.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>...
[15:23] <kubotu> keyserver.ubuntu.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:23] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:23] <apachelogger> ...
[15:23] <apachelogger> you just have to type the name properly
[15:24] <apachelogger> which is not the case in the apt-key cmd from above
[15:24] <apachelogger> hence
[15:24] <apachelogger> bogus server
[15:24] <apachelogger> ah
[15:25] <apachelogger> sunday it is
[15:25] <apachelogger> time to get votin'
[15:25] <BluesKaj> I have alot of these commands saved in a text file , so perhaps it's changed now
[15:25] <apachelogger> no
[15:25] <apachelogger> it is just WRONG
[15:26] <apachelogger> keSyserver.ubuntu.com was not ever a valid host name
[15:26] <shadeslayer> ^ :)
[15:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: <gkiagia> I uploaded the tarballs
[15:27] <shadeslayer> 0.4 is coming to a kde ftp server near you
[15:27] <shadeslayer> soon
[15:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: package them then :P
[15:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Working on echo cancellation for ktp call ui atm
[15:27] <shadeslayer> maybe tomorrow
[15:27] <apachelogger> Name of the poll (e.g., The Democratic Primary)
[15:28] <Daskreech> Trying ot install nepomuk removes most of KDE
[15:28] <shadeslayer> GStreamer stuff is fun
[15:28]  * apachelogger is tempted to name it sexiest contributor primary
[15:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you crack me up
[15:28] <apachelogger> Daskreech: new feature
[15:28] <Daskreech> seems so
[15:28] <apachelogger> where? when? why?
[15:28] <Daskreech> Back to getting applets to show up
[15:28] <Daskreech> apachelogger: Ah sorry. Precise KDE 4.8.80 packages
[15:29] <Daskreech> libnepomuksync4 won't install
[15:29] <Daskreech> It depends on nepomuk-core-data. Trying to install that removes almost all of KDE
[15:29]  * apachelogger fails to use the plasma calendar
[15:29] <apachelogger> Daskreech: .80?
[15:29] <Daskreech> .80
[15:29] <apachelogger> didn't we decide to not publish .80?
[15:29] <apachelogger> where do you get .80 from?
[15:29] <Daskreech> I said i'd help test
[15:30] <apachelogger> still the question where do you get it from?
[15:30] <apachelogger> also I think the nepomuk stuff was split in some way, so the packages are likely named differently now
[15:30] <Daskreech> I'm actually trying to get add widgets to show up since it's currently blank but I just noticed that libnepomuksync4 wouldn't install and trying to install it made it throw a hissy fit about the rest of the family so...
[15:30] <BluesKaj> oh gawd , this page oneiric . i'm on precise :/
[15:31] <BluesKaj> is
[15:31]  * apachelogger does not compute input of either party and continues preparing elections
[15:31] <Daskreech> apachelogger: from staging
[15:31] <Daskreech> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu precise main
[15:31] <BluesKaj> I should have checked more closely
[15:31] <BluesKaj> apachelogger,^
[15:31] <apachelogger> Daskreech: thy shalt not use staging
[15:31] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: agreed
[15:32] <Daskreech> It says that right at the top of the stagin ppa :)
[15:32] <apachelogger> Daskreech: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs
[15:32] <Daskreech> Oh Actions on klipper works
[15:32] <Daskreech> hmm but no history
[15:32] <Daskreech> interesting
[15:32] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/10/plasma-desktopHJ1645.png
[15:33] <apachelogger> what date is today
[15:33] <Daskreech> The white one
[15:33] <apachelogger> ah
[15:33] <apachelogger> sreich: fix that
[15:34] <sreich> pft, i don't know how to fix things
[15:34] <sreich> only to break
[15:36] <Daskreech> well break all the other non today days
[15:36]  * apachelogger wonders excluding everyone who did not link to their wiki page in their nomination from the election
[15:36] <apachelogger> sreich: what Daskreech said
[15:36] <apachelogger> sounds reasonable enough
[15:38]  * apachelogger wonders why google thinks apachelogger speaks finnish
[15:40] <jussi> apachelogger: heheeehehheheheeh... finnish?
[15:40] <Daskreech> maybe you will speak finnish and they just got thier dates wrong
[15:40] <apachelogger> Haku?
[15:41] <jussi> search?
[15:41] <apachelogger> I know that, just saying :P
[15:41] <apachelogger> Daskreech: oh, that is the possible
[15:41] <apachelogger> they must be using plasma too
[15:42] <jussi> apachelogger: answer me... $elsewhere :D
[15:43] <debfx> ScottK: do you have some time to review kde-base-artwork in NEW? that would make kde-workspace installable again ...
[15:44] <apachelogger> please someone proof that I got all candidates: clay, felix, jonathan, jussi, myriam, scott
[15:49] <apachelogger> ^^^^^^^^^
[15:54] <debfx> yep I think you got all
[15:55] <apachelogger> cheers
[16:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: order i voted button
[16:05]  * kubotu hands apachelogger a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it.
[16:05] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[16:05] <apachelogger> pandas \o/
[16:05] <sreich> hm, no "blue friendly computing" in topic anymore?
[16:06] <jussi> apachelogger: how do we vote?  (I havent got any mail...)
[16:07] <apachelogger> you had no accessible email addy it seems
[16:07] <jussi> jussi01 at ubuntu dot com
[16:08] <apachelogger>      No public address provided.
[16:08] <apachelogger> jussi: see, that is why the announcement said something along the lines "if you paranoid, send me mail with preferred addy :P"
[16:09] <jussi> do I need to have a public address? why would you not just send them to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[16:09] <apachelogger> I do not know
[16:10] <jussi> btw, I should shoot you for spelling my name incorrectly...
[16:10] <apachelogger> perhaps
[16:10] <jussi> but the fact is, I need you, so I wont.
[16:11] <jussi> :D
[16:11] <jussi> Now answer the question in the other channel :D
[16:11] <debfx> jussi: that email address mapping is not always correct
[16:11] <apachelogger> ah
[16:11] <apachelogger> the famous apachelogger-i situation
[16:11] <debfx> (mostly for very old ubuntu members)
[16:12]  * apachelogger doesn't see the problem with having one's mail addy visible to lp users anyway
[16:12] <apachelogger> much more spammable is the fact that it is spread throughout all the intartubes thanks to mailing lists
[16:13] <apachelogger> anyhow
[16:13] <sreich> yeah, just like people are paranoid to do the someemail (at) . com bit
[16:13] <sreich> especially in irc
[16:14] <apachelogger> jussi: much sorries for misspelling, if it helps any, it happens when writing my own name too ^^
[16:14] <jussi> apachelogger: hehe
[16:16] <apachelogger> Quintasan_: gdzie jestes?
[16:16]  * apachelogger needs to pick up some language course again
[16:17] <debfx> apachelogger: "Only the single favorite choice will win the poll." <- that doesn't seem quite right
[16:18] <apachelogger> dunno, I think I entered 3 in the field
[16:18] <apachelogger> debfx: raiting is published anyway, so it doesn't matter much
[16:18] <apachelogger> just select 3 highest rated
[16:19]  * apachelogger finds that services somewhat cumbersome
[16:19] <BluesKaj> so where is the 4.8.4 ppa ?
[16:19] <apachelogger> e.g. once created you cannot change a poll, regardless  of whether it was started or not
[16:20] <apachelogger> very silly indeed
[16:21] <BluesKaj> there it is ...I need to wake up ...late night , last night
[16:33] <jussi> apachelogger: did you mention somewhere which method you will use for deciding? (there are 4...)
[17:00] <apachelogger> jussi: the one where my favorites win
[17:02] <apachelogger> debfx: oh, btw, one can easily set the winning count once the poll ended
[17:03] <apachelogger> jussi: could be decided at the upcoming meeting
[17:03] <apachelogger> otherwise I'll really go with whatever places my favs first :P
[17:03] <apachelogger> makes it all the more exciting I believe
[17:15] <jussi> apachelogger: shadeslayer I win
[17:15] <jussi> apt-get install rygel rygel-playbin
[17:16] <jussi> == win
[17:16] <jussi> no config necessary
[17:16] <jussi> just needed to start rygel
[17:20] <shadeslayer> told you
[17:20] <shadeslayer> but last time I used rygel, about a year ago, it was horrible to set it up
[17:21] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, its still got a few issues.
[17:21] <ScottK> debfx: Probably later today, but not for several hours.
[17:21] <jussi> I dont have sound yet
[17:22] <jussi> shadeslayer: and once its streaming, I have no control
[17:22] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:25] <jussi> hrm
[17:26] <jussi> I wonder if xbmc is any better...
[17:28] <BluesKaj> XBMC is nice if you don't mind it taking over all media on your pc
[17:29] <jussi> BluesKaj: yeah, tbh, Ill probably just get it running on my little arm board.
[17:31] <BluesKaj> jussi, that little 25 buck board with media connectivity on it ? ...I forgot the name
[17:43] <sreich> BluesKaj: pandaboard? raspberry pi?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> sreich, yup that's it
[17:44]  * apachelogger giggles
[17:45] <sreich> i mentioned 2 of them ;p
[17:47] <shadeslayer> RasPi
[17:47] <shadeslayer> get in line
[17:47] <shadeslayer> and the line goes all the way around the world :P
[17:47] <sreich> yeah it does..
[17:50]  * apachelogger wonders why
[17:50] <shadeslayer> cheap, and the GPU is pretty powerful
[17:51] <apachelogger> who needs the gpu other than bitcoin farmers?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: then clearly everyone who is buying a RasPi is a bit coin farmer
[17:52] <apachelogger> reasonable
[17:52] <apachelogger> also explains the shortness
[17:53] <shadeslayer> so ... ktp-call ui now has echo cancellation, but will land in 0.5 only
[17:53] <shadeslayer> not a very intrusive patch though ...
[17:53] <BluesKaj> sreich, think it's the raspberry pi
[17:54] <apachelogger> ECHOOOOOOO-OOOOO-OOO-OO-O
[17:54] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do we have 0.4 yet?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sysadmins have to upload it to ftp
[17:55] <apachelogger> poke sho then
[17:55] <apachelogger> shoooooooo-ooooo-oooo-ooo-oo-o
[17:57] <shadeslayer> done
[17:57] <shadeslayer> :>
[17:59] <apachelogger> done-one-ne-e
[18:00]  * apachelogger will not ever be able to stop now
[18:00] <apachelogger> GREAT
[18:00] <apachelogger> reat-eat-at-t
[18:12] <jussi> Meh, Ive a freescale board :D
[18:15] <shadeslayer> which reminds me, I have to flash the opengles enabled kernel on my Transformer tomorrow
[18:35] <apachelogger> so
[18:35] <apachelogger> what do I do now
[18:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: people have been asking that question for centuries
[18:52] <yofel> you... could be packaging beta2?
[18:56] <apachelogger> two thoughts come to mind: a) if you gimme access to a faster machine b) wouldn't it be more efficient to first create the tools? :P
[18:57] <apachelogger> actually first of all I need to write the blogz for uni
[19:41] <apachelogger> yofel: so...........
[19:41] <apachelogger> yofel: why does we have page for .80?
[19:41] <yofel> good point
[19:42] <yofel> fixing
[19:42]  * apachelogger declares himself out of wine
[19:46] <apachelogger> yofel: meta-kde not up yet?
[19:47] <yofel> nothing up yet
[19:47] <apachelogger> what's with the jr stuff at the bottom then
[19:47] <apachelogger> shouldn't meta go up first?
[19:47]  * apachelogger confused
[19:50] <yofel> apachelogger: I was still cleaning up
[19:50] <yofel> my old cleanup procedure doesn't quite work with the pad
[19:50] <apachelogger> yofel: don't we have template so you do not need to "clean" up? ^^
[19:52] <yofel> that still has lots of wiki formatting, I'll make a note to clean that up till rc1
[19:52] <apachelogger> W: kubuntu-dev-tools: spelling-error-in-changelog arbitary arbitrary
[19:52] <apachelogger> !
[19:53] <apachelogger> yofel: does meta-kde have a branch actually?
[19:53] <yofel> it does
[19:53] <apachelogger> good thing jr made us that kde: shortcut I requested :P
[19:53] <yofel> he did?
[19:54] <apachelogger> no
[19:54] <apachelogger> that was scarasm
[19:54] <yofel> well, that's what we have kbzr for
[19:54] <apachelogger> <- saves the day with kbzr
[19:54] <debfx> W: apachelogger: spelling-error-in-message scarasm sarcasm
[19:54] <apachelogger> nonono
[19:55] <apachelogger> you are wrong on the internet
[19:55] <yofel> lol
[19:56] <debfx> if the bzr branches are in a sane state we can just automate the whole thing
[19:56] <apachelogger> which is what I suggested but yofel does not want that :P
[19:57] <yofel> that's what kgetsource does
[19:57] <apachelogger> it does part-automation
[19:57] <yofel> well, as long as we have enought tools to do proper Q/A *after* upload, I'm fine with automating
[19:58] <apachelogger> see my page
[19:58] <debfx> we have list-missing and cmake output
[19:58] <apachelogger> yofel: conceptually it does not make any difference whether test building is done in a PPA or locally
[19:58] <apachelogger> it does not even particularly for scalability
[19:58] <apachelogger> as long as >2 people actually build
[19:58] <yofel> well, with debfx's page it indeed doesn't
[19:59] <debfx> question is how do we sanity check the branches
[19:59] <apachelogger> debfx: what do you mean?
[19:59] <CIA-19> [qapt] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog libqapt1.symbols) * New upstream alpha release: - Drop cherry-picked patches from the 1.3 branch - Update libqapt1.symbols
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> (just syncing bzr with the archive, but a new release is coming)
[19:59] <debfx> e.g. we need to detect if the branch is outdated
[20:00] <apachelogger> define outdated please
[20:00] <debfx> the branch might have post-upload changes staged so we can't just overwrite with what is in the archive
[20:00] <yofel> also if the previous changelog is in a proper state. (i.e. UNRELEASED or with ~ppa)
[20:01] <debfx> someone might have forgotten to push the branch
[20:01] <debfx> or worse the branch and what's in the archive have diverged
[20:01] <apachelogger> many a great ways to do this
[20:02] <apachelogger> for example
[20:02] <apachelogger> say you build everything in the ppa all the time
[20:02] <apachelogger> then you'd be able to have one single machine do everything automatically
[20:03] <apachelogger> first it fetches all the sources, attempts an auto-bump (dch + version bump in control) -> commits & dputs
[20:03] <apachelogger> then someone fixes problems
[20:03] <apachelogger> the machine would perhaps have a cronjob trying to up its branches
[20:03] <apachelogger> if an updated comes in-> new dput
[20:03] <CIA-19> [qapt] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Remove patches removed w/ 1.3.65
[20:04] <apachelogger> after each build in the PPA it would munch the log from the PPA and run general purpose sanity checks (extrac cmake log, ensure list-missing is empty, ensure no file conflicts occur...)
[20:05] <apachelogger> if the newly pushed revision fails a sanity test the revision is rejected from submission
[20:05] <apachelogger> once all packages have a revision passing sanity assurance someone can dispatch an automatic upload, so the machine grabs the apporved revisions and builds the source packages and then simply chain uploads to archive
[20:06] <apachelogger> that is a centralized approach ... as I mentioned you could do just about the same thing with a more decentralized approach
[20:08] <apachelogger> yofel: upload with ~ppa1?
[20:08] <yofel> that's what the plan says
[20:08] <apachelogger> stupid plan
[20:08] <apachelogger> yofel: the plan sez I should upload -0ubuntu1~ppa1
[20:09] <apachelogger> which is wrong cuz meta-kde is a native pkg :P
[20:09] <CIA-19> [meta-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog rules) Bump for 4.8.90
[20:09] <yofel> ah fun, well, ~ppa1 it is then
[20:09] <apachelogger> question
[20:09] <apachelogger> do we not have a script for that?
[20:09] <apachelogger> append ppa version > whatever is in ppa and build source from that, then revert change in stage?
[20:10]  * apachelogger needs some booze for this
[20:27] <apachelogger> yofel: I do not know how to make entries on the eitherpad
[20:28] <yofel> just edit it?
[20:29] <yofel> and we currently have no tool that does that. That would be kgetsource job once someone adds that functionality
[20:29]  * yofel doesn't know ruby yet
[20:32] <CIA-19> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (bin/kbuildppa debian/changelog) Add kbuildppa for ppa uploads, not particularly scalable yet
[20:33] <apachelogger> yofel: nah, unrelated to kgetsource
[20:33] <apachelogger> you may need to push after you fixed an issue
[20:34] <apachelogger> so you need a bump unrelated to kgetsource
[20:34] <apachelogger> though I agree, ultimately with a PPA based testbuild workflow kgetsource would then be using kbuildppa to push the autogenerated bump to the ppa ^^
[20:34] <apachelogger> FWIW kbuildppa currently does not dput btw
[20:35] <apachelogger> debfx, yofel: also please ditch in your random brain waves at http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-sonic-screwdriver
[20:35] <apachelogger> helps a great deal with working towards a solution if we have ideas written down :)
[20:36] <yofel> ETOOTIRED, but will do
[20:36] <apachelogger> yofel: can I remove the thingsies that need no update from the etherpad?
[20:36] <yofel> ?
[20:36] <yofel> ah
[20:36] <apachelogger> qt4, qtwebkit, pornon, whatnot
[20:36] <apachelogger> makes me scroll tho I do not want to scroll
[20:37] <yofel> yeah, do it
[20:37] <apachelogger> I have scrollphobia as a matter of fact
[20:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you vote already?
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yus
[20:38] <apachelogger> why don't you have a button then you lazy bum? :P
[20:38] <apachelogger> kubotu: order i voted button for JontheEchidna
[20:38]  * kubotu hands JontheEchidna a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it.
[20:38] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> :D
[20:38] <apachelogger> there we go
[20:38] <apachelogger> this year we have pandas
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> I spy a KTP release in upload.kde.org's incoming folder
[20:39] <apachelogger> someone added spooky code to kgetsource ^^
[20:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes, sho refused to pass it through, tho I forgot why
[20:40] <apachelogger> had something to do with windows I believe
[20:40] <apachelogger> and shadeslayer refuses to do work until it is in actual ftpmaster
[20:41] <shadeslayer> whut
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> maybe slip ben cooksley a fiver :P
[20:41] <apachelogger>     puts("NEED MORE ARGS YE BSTD")
[20:41] <apachelogger> ohohohoh
[20:41] <apachelogger> roflmao
[20:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Sho had 5000 windows open
[20:41] <yofel> That's © Jonathan Kolberg ^^
[20:41] <shadeslayer> I'm dealing with some shitty d pointers right now, so will talk later
[20:41] <apachelogger> ah yes, the windows 5k problem
[20:42] <apachelogger> yofel: yah, sounds like him alright
[20:42] <yofel> it does have a manpage though
[20:42] <yofel> hm
[20:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: shitty d pointers?
[20:42] <apachelogger> dude
[20:42] <apachelogger> like
[20:42] <apachelogger> the combination of shitty and d
[20:42] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:42] <apachelogger> and considering what d/q represent
[20:42] <apachelogger> oh gawd
[20:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: to say it in the words of kgetsource DIRTY ARE YE BSTD
[20:43] <shadeslayer> it's not really the d pointers fault, I just don't know why I can't connect signals to the members of the d pointer
[20:43] <apachelogger> or perhaps ARRR
[20:43]  * apachelogger is never sure on the grammar there
[20:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you can
[20:43] <shadeslayer> so I'm just blaming the d pointer :P
[20:43] <apachelogger> but the class it points to needs to be a qobject
[20:43] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:43] <apachelogger> otherwise it won't have a qmetaobject, thus nothing to connect
[20:43]  * shadeslayer looks it up
[20:43] <apachelogger> BUT
[20:44] <apachelogger> often you do not want to do that but instead use a Q_PRIVATE_SLOT in the public class
[20:44] <shadeslayer> it's a Tp::CallChannelPtr for starts
[20:44] <shadeslayer> that's what I'm doign
[20:44] <apachelogger> what that macro does is add the appropriate function of the private class as a metaobject method to the public class
[20:44] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:45] <shadeslayer> actually
[20:45] <shadeslayer> it's in private _SLOT
[20:45] <shadeslayer> erm
[20:45] <shadeslayer> private Q_SLOTS
[20:45] <apachelogger> i.e. class Bar {QPS(foo()) }; will result in BarMetaObject { void methodcrap() { switch foo: d->foo() }}
[20:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: those are not the same things
[20:45] <apachelogger> read and think
[20:45] <shadeslayer> yeah, I understand what you're saying
[20:46] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[20:46] <apachelogger> Q_SLOTS and Q_SIGNALS is an instruction to moc that gets preprocessed to nothing
[20:46] <apachelogger> so you get private: public: etc.
[20:46] <apachelogger> so all those thingies actually ahve a c++ signature and symbol
[20:46] <apachelogger> a QPS OTOH is purely implemented in the metaobject
[20:46] <apachelogger> which has no symbol or signature to the outside
[20:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you sure QPS is properly documented somewhere?
[20:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just look at any bigger qt software
[20:47] <shadeslayer> lol
[20:47] <apachelogger> it aint officially supported IIRC
[20:47] <shadeslayer> ^^
[20:47] <apachelogger> i.e. they may break it so that you have to change the code
[20:47] <shadeslayer> I asked because that is exactly what was raised in a mailing list ... in 08
[20:47] <apachelogger> OTOH qobject adds a whopping 500k IIRC to the private object
[20:48] <shadeslayer> eeeeppp
[20:48] <apachelogger> so you really want to use QPS unless your private class is a) not created often and b) has a shitload of metacrap
[20:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also fWIW, I think they semi-advocated its use for symbian/harmattan so it is semi-supported now, no matter what they say :P
[20:49] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:49] <apachelogger> now then
[20:49] <apachelogger> meta-kde is up and I am drunk
[20:49] <apachelogger> a package a day keeps the sanity away I always say
[20:52] <shadeslayer> my inbox is full of people complaining about KDE 4.8 and 4.9
[20:52] <shadeslayer> I think I'll go sleep now
[20:58] <apachelogger> eh?
[20:58] <apachelogger> ah
[20:58] <apachelogger> yeah
[20:58] <apachelogger> not worth reading
[20:58] <apachelogger> really
[20:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hm>
[20:59] <shadeslayer> s/>/?
[21:00] <apachelogger> perhaps u talking about something else
[21:00] <apachelogger> nvm
[21:03] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_MPCUyuqJ8&feature=related
[21:03] <apachelogger> scp: /home/ftpubuntu/4/4.8.90/src/oxygen-icons-4.8.90.tar.xz: No such file or directory
[21:03] <apachelogger> wha
[21:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://thepaperwall.com/wallpapers/movies/big/big_184f1674bdb1af680d68e71f2b1fa1bb8ad641c9.jpg
[21:07] <apachelogger> my sftp is broken
[21:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 0.4 KTP tarballs are up
[21:15] <apachelogger> I cannot access the ftpmaster
[21:15] <apachelogger> so don't tell me, package it :P
[21:15] <shadeslayer> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kde-telepathy/0.4.0/src/
[21:15] <shadeslayer> use a browser/konqueror :P
[21:16] <apachelogger> ah yes
[21:16] <apachelogger> it werkz with sftp but not kio
[21:16] <apachelogger> the KIO is kaput
[21:16] <apachelogger> halp!
[21:16] <apachelogger> ah yes
[21:16] <apachelogger> scp: /home/ftpubuntu/4/4.8.90/src/oxygen-icons-4.8.90.tar.xz: No such file or directory
[21:17] <apachelogger> funny how I read series as epoch
[21:17] <apachelogger> actually we could autodetect that
[21:17] <apachelogger> last version component >= 50 == unstable
[21:21] <yofel> kubotu: order i voted button
[21:21]  * kubotu hands yofel a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it.
[21:21] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[21:22] <apachelogger> \o/
[21:22] <debfx> apachelogger: what do you think of this undocumented and hacky script: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation/view/head:/kubuntu-initial-upload
[21:22] <apachelogger> dunno, rekonq loads to slow
[21:22] <apachelogger> too
[21:22] <apachelogger> and then it tells me the certificate is crap
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: incoming qapt/muon release in ~4 hours, will fix your issues in quantal
[21:23] <apachelogger> debfx: much niceness
[21:23] <apachelogger> without going too deep into the functions
[21:23] <apachelogger> debfx: I do however believe that many scripts > one script
[21:24] <debfx> there are some other scripts in the branch :P
[21:24] <apachelogger> ah
[21:24] <apachelogger> debfx: please link it in the screwdriver page
[21:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and what about precise? :(
[21:25]  * apachelogger points out that on this here quantal netbook he does notuse a dark theme but on his precise laptop :P
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> precise doesn't build against gcc-4.7, so it should be fine
[21:26] <apachelogger> ah
[21:26] <apachelogger> I thought you meant the color issue
[21:26] <apachelogger> gcc fix is also goody
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> oh, when you said "fix muon in quantal please" I thought you were talking about the issue that makes it totally unusable :P
[21:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I was talking about colors, but yah, gcc fix seems somewhat important too :P
[21:28] <apachelogger> oxygen-xygen-ygen-gen-en-n
[21:28] <apachelogger> is le fat
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> all those svgz's
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> should store them uncompressed
[21:28] <BluesKaj> quantal just segfaulted after the login , Kwin is broken as is the debugger and the crash repoter
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> and let the zipping utility do compression over the whole thing
[21:29] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: it happens
[21:29] <debfx> we need svgxz files!
[21:29] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:29] <BluesKaj> tried to get their attn at ubuntu+1 ,but nobody answers
[21:30] <apachelogger> what are we supposed to do then?
[21:30] <apachelogger> AFAIK we didn't upload a new kdelibs so we should not have broken it
[21:30] <BluesKaj> use your influence ")
[21:30] <apachelogger> I do not even know what is wrong
[21:31] <BluesKaj> yeah apachelogger it's difficult to file a crash report when those apps won't work either
[21:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: debfx: yofel: pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.12) <--- do I need to bump that?
[21:32] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: gdb
[21:32] <debfx> no, just the kde-sc-dev-latest
[21:32] <apachelogger> ah
[21:32] <apachelogger> debfx: why that should be done by kgetsource, no?
[21:32]  * apachelogger would find that sensible anyway
[21:32] <yofel> it is done by kgetsource
[21:32] <debfx> kubuntu-initial-upload does that already :P
[21:32] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: in fact, if they crash right away you likey have a symbol crash which might show up on terminal just like that
[21:32] <apachelogger> yofel: ah
[21:32] <apachelogger> oh right, oxygen has no dev-latest
[21:33] <apachelogger> yofel: is that the spooky code I saw?
[21:33] <apachelogger> cause I did not understand the spooky code ^^
[21:33] <yofel> yeah, that one ^^
[21:33] <apachelogger> had a function in a function
[21:33] <apachelogger> that always trips me
[21:33] <BluesKaj> ok apachelogger I'll check the error in the tty ...bbiab
[21:33] <yofel> IMO python looks scarier once you start using lamda...
[21:34] <yofel> *lambda
[21:34] <CIA-19> [oxygen-icons] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog New upstream release
[21:34] <apachelogger> actual lamda is fine, it gives you a natural constraint on what you pack in there
[21:34] <apachelogger> well, if you have any sense of beauty that is
[21:34] <apachelogger> but functions inside functions are just wrong :P
[21:35] <apachelogger> total matter of opinion tho
[21:35]  * debfx <3 lambda
[21:35] <debfx> kdesc.sort(key=lambda package: package.find("lib") != -1 and "_" + package or package)
[21:35] <apachelogger> oh
[21:35] <apachelogger> ah
[21:36] <apachelogger> ok
[21:36] <apachelogger> that is hardly readable :P
[21:36] <apachelogger> python--
[21:36] <apachelogger> :P
[21:36] <apachelogger> if anyone feels like scripting ... kbuildppa needs either porting to pyth0rn or a new script to get latest version of a given package in a ppa
[21:36] <apachelogger> latter is preferred as that surely can be useful for other things than relase packaging
[21:37] <apachelogger> debfx, yofel, JontheEchidna: so, I think we should have a kubuntu-dev meeting next week or so
[21:38] <apachelogger> to figure out how we want to do this
[21:38] <apachelogger> so we can get possible server resources organized somehow and start writing the magic
[21:38] <yofel> uh, first we'll have our regular meeting, schedule one after that
[21:38] <apachelogger> dunnno if peoplez have the time
[21:38] <apachelogger> also 2 meetings after each other is quite meh
[21:39] <apachelogger> particularly if one needs to do loads of thinking in both
[21:39]  * yofel meant schedule as in send doodle thingy
[21:39] <apachelogger> ah yes
[21:39] <apachelogger> not now tho, too drunk, also I sent like 15 mails today already ^^
[21:42] <apachelogger> bug 1011310
[21:42] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:43]  * apachelogger kicks ubottu in the jewls
[21:43] <apachelogger> bug 1011310
[21:43]  * apachelogger sighs
[21:43] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames/+bug/1011310
[21:43] <apachelogger> yofel, debfx: ^
[21:44] <apachelogger> also someone please find out who's rotten bot triaged that thing as a duplicate
[21:45] <yofel> which release is that ?!? Dependencies: kdegames-card-data 4:4.8.80-0ubuntu1
[21:45] <apachelogger> how would I know
[21:46] <apachelogger> I just unbroke the duplication
[21:46] <yofel> and why is that log about ffmpeg O.O
[21:46] <yofel> ah
[21:46] <yofel> DuplicateSignature
[21:46] <apachelogger> I really don't compute that bug at all
[21:46] <apachelogger> someone do something to it
[21:46] <apachelogger> just would like it to be cleared up as not being our fault but indeed ffmpeg
[21:46] <yofel> looks like an quantal upgrade
[21:47] <debfx> kdegames-card-data-extra 4:4.8.80-0ubuntu1 contains svg-oxygen-air but shouldn't
[21:47] <debfx> i.e. it's in both kdegames-card-data and kdegames-card-data-extra
[21:47] <yofel> debfx seems like
[21:47] <apachelogger> pff
[21:47] <apachelogger> good thing I noticed the duplication then :P
[21:47] <yofel> but apport still made quite a mess out of that report o.O
[21:48] <apachelogger> everyone running their bug bots over the bugs
[21:48] <apachelogger> I think siretart too, as he does not appear to be around right now
[21:49] <yofel> that one's usually useful, but needs a parsing fix here
[21:50]  * apachelogger is generally feeling uncomfortable with computers trying to solve non deterministic problems such as bug triage :P
[21:50] <debfx> it's not the bot's fault, look at the DuplicateSignature
[21:50] <yofel> actually, it's a dup of bug 1011275
[21:50] <debfx> that user got both overwrite conflicts in one upgrade
[21:51] <apachelogger> debfx: what I said :P
[21:52] <apachelogger> oxygen going up
[21:52] <apachelogger> also FTR: building oxygen source on a netbook is no fun
[21:53] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, error is : exception during pm.DoInstall:package error, left unconfigured, kubuntu netbook:amd64  ...this isn't a netbook, it's desktop. I don't eben need that configuration :P
[21:53] <BluesKaj> err even , even
[21:53] <apachelogger> your dpkg is fried
[21:53] <apachelogger> or is that apt
[21:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what say you?
[21:54] <apachelogger> DoInstall sounds somewhat apty
[21:54] <BluesKaj> reinstall apt?
[21:54] <BluesKaj> or apt-get
[21:54] <apachelogger> dunno
[21:54] <apachelogger> what's the exception? :P
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> either apty or dpkg-y
[21:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: y thank you captain obvious :P
[21:56] <apachelogger>  Unable to find oxygen-icons_4.8.90.orig.tar.xz in upload or distribution.
[21:56] <apachelogger> AAAAH
[21:57] <apachelogger> fuckin ell
[21:57] <BluesKaj> guess I could get the image and install it on /
[22:00]  * apachelogger rebuilds source again -.-
[22:15]  * JontheEchidna afk for an hour
[22:16] <CIA-19> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* bin/kbuildppa on ppa1 build with -sa as we likely need the source