[08:23] <baltix-mantas> Hi launchpad developers
[08:23] <baltix-mantas> Is there any workaround for bug #602579 ?
[08:25] <wgrant> baltix-mantas: Sure, you can have your own version of pkgbinarymangler which whitelists your own PPAs
[08:25] <wgrant> grep for oem-archive in the pkgbinarymangler source
[08:27] <baltix-mantas> I found check for oem-archive in /usr/bin/pkgstripfiles :
[08:27] <baltix-mantas> if grep -q '/oem-archive' ${PKGBINARYMANGLER_APT_CONF_DIR:-/etc/apt}/sources.list; then             echo "INFO: Running pkgstripfiles for OEM PPA build"
[08:28] <wgrant> Right
[08:28] <wgrant> pkgbinarymangler is just a normal package, so you can have a custom one in your PPA
[08:28] <baltix-mantas> wgrant: I've created PPA, named oem-archive, see http://ppa.launchpad.net/~baltix/+archive/oem-archive
[08:28] <baltix-mantas> wgrant: but this doesn't help :(
[08:31] <wgrant> baltix-mantas: I think if you try again it will work
[08:31] <wgrant> baltix-mantas: Since the PPA indices don't exist on ppa.launchpad.net until a binary is published, Launchpad won't include the PPA in sources.list until there are binaries.
[08:31] <baltix-mantas> wgrant: cool
[08:31] <wgrant> So the first build won't have had 'oem-archive' anywhere in sources.list
[08:32] <baltix-mantas> wgrant: thanks for help, I will try again :)
[08:32] <wgrant> Great, I don't see why it shouldn't work
[08:32] <wgrant> (although I suggest you patch pkgbinarymangler, rather than using the oem-archive name hack!)
[08:33] <baltix-mantas> wgrant: I like to use official hacks ;)
[08:33] <baltix-mantas> if they works
[08:33] <wgrant> Heh
[08:34] <baltix-mantas> wgrant: thank you very much for hint, I will try now, bye
[09:11] <mantas-baltix> Please enable more amd64 builders - currently only 10 builders active and Queue is 500 jobs (22 hours), see https://launchpad.net/builders
[09:12] <mantas-baltix> While some amd64 builders are disabled, eg. https://launchpad.net/builders/akhlut and some others are idle.
[09:25] <mantas-baltix> wgrant: could you enable more amd64 builders - currently only 10 builders active and Queue is 500 jobs (22 hours), while i386 queue is only 57 minutes, see https://launchpad.net/builders
[09:25] <wgrant> I'll see what I can do.
[09:30] <mantas-baltix> wgrant: thanks, maybe you can enable https://launchpad.net/builders/akhlut or something :)
[09:32] <wgrant> It's a bit brokne
[12:05] <yaiza> hi! is is possible to rename a branch? Something like; lp:~ybailen/canonical-openerp/employee-registry-payroll -> lp:~ybailen/canonical-openerp/canonical-payroll
[12:05] <yaiza> I tried to do that clicking the "Change branch details"
[12:06] <yaiza> but then I got this error: "Private branches are not allowed for target Canonical OpenERP."
[12:06] <yaiza> and If I choose Personal as Target Branch I get this one "Only private teams may have personal private branches."
[12:11] <czajkowski> wgrant: ^^
[12:17] <czajkowski> yaiza: unsure about renaming branches, I dont think you can
[12:17] <czajkowski> most copy over to a new branch with the right name
[12:17] <mgz> rename does work, it's just privacy being fun.
[12:17] <czajkowski> mgz: fun :)
[12:18] <mgz> a fallback to `bzr branch lp:a lp:b` (ideally done within the datacenter) does work.
[12:41] <baltix-mantas> wgrant: Hi again, thanks for tip about retrying to build in oem-archive PPA, it seems this helps :)
[12:49] <baltix-mantas> Maybe someone can increase priority of my builds - I need to release new Baltix distribution version with fixed packages today, but must wait several hours, especially with amd64, see https://launchpad.net/~baltix/+archive/oem-archive/+build/3928929  https://launchpad.net/~baltix/+archive/oem-archive/+build/3928277
[12:55] <czajkowski> baltix-mantas: as wgrant said it's a bit broken today and you can see from our topic we do have some issues.
[12:56] <baltix-mantas> czajkowski: I'm asking about increasing priority of 2 my build - one time someone here helped me in this situation - launchpad admins can manually increase priority of some builds, right?
[12:57] <czajkowski> baltix-mantas: there is no need to keep changing the description of the bug please.
[13:09] <sinzui> yaiza, first change the branch to Proprietary, which is what the project says it requires the branch to be, then do the rename.
[13:09]  * yaiza tries
[13:10] <baltix-mantas> sinzui: maybe you can increase priority of these buids: https://launchpad.net/~baltix/+archive/oem-archive/+build/3928929  https://launchpad.net/~baltix/+archive/oem-archive/+build/3928277
[13:11] <baltix-mantas> It's "Build score", right?
[13:11] <TheLordOfTime> erm...
[13:11] <TheLordOfTime> whoops sorry, that msg was targetted elsewhere
[13:11] <sinzui> baltix-mantas, I don't have permission to do that. The policy for changing scores changed last month anyway.
[13:11]  * TheLordOfTime hates laptops
[13:12] <czajkowski> baltix-mantas: I did tell you already we're having some stuff going on at present
[13:13] <baltix-mantas> czajkowski: I did'nt understand you previously :)
[13:13] <czajkowski> baltix-mantas: ah well you could have said and I'd have made it clearer for you :)
[13:15] <yaiza> it's taking some time to be changed to Propietary, still processing
[13:26] <baltix-mantas> czajkowski: it seems your engish is too good for me ;) I'm not native english speaker, I started to learn english only in university ;)
[13:27] <czajkowski> baltix-mantas: no worries, here to help.
[13:30] <baltix-mantas> czajkowski: maybe you know aproximatly when problems in builders will be fixed or at least this my build will start: https://launchpad.net/~baltix/+archive/oem-archive/+build/3928929
[13:31] <baltix-mantas> There is a message "will start in 1 hour", but this message doesn't change for about a hour :(
[13:31] <czajkowski> baltix-mantas: the builder issue is an ongoing issue at present
[13:35] <yaiza> sinzui, which is the difference between Private and Proprietary?
[13:36] <sinzui> yaiza, private means contain personal information, like a your phone number. Proprietary means the data is owned by an organisation and it cannot be disclosed to non-organisational people
[13:37] <sinzui> yaiza, canonical's project are transitioning everything to Proprietary to make it clear who owns the data
[13:38] <baltix-mantas> I'm afraid, that after 2 hours I still see the same info: "Start in 1 hour" :(
[13:38] <yaiza> sinzui, ok, then I guess we will need to move this one to proprietary: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-isd-hackers/canonical-openerp/employee-registry
[13:40] <sinzui> yaiza, maybe more https://launchpad.net/canonical-openerp/+sharing says your project should only contain Proprietary branches
[13:40] <sinzui> You only need to do those that people are working with I think
[13:55] <yaiza> sinzui, then if I create a new branch now in that project it will be created as proprietary by default but I have to move existing ones, is this right?
[13:57] <sinzui> yaiza, not, move, just change the Information Type shown in the branch's privacy portlet
[13:57] <yaiza> sinzui, yes, sorry, that's what I meant
[13:58] <sinzui> yaiza, I might have a script that walks all the active branches in a project and changes their Information type to Proprietary.
[13:59] <yaiza> sinzui, don't worry, we can do that manually, we don't have many, but is it normal that it takes so much time to change their Information type?
[14:00] <sinzui> yaiza, branches are stacked on each other. Changing the base branch requires checking everything that is stacked on it. It is slow for large projects.
[17:55] <maxb> So.... lpia. I uploaded a hardy package, and it's nominally queued to build on lpia, but there are no lpia builders. I don't particularly care about lpia, but I would prefer it didn't register as "needs building" forever. Any suggestions? :-)
[17:56] <lifeless> wgrant: ^ ;)
[17:56] <cjwatson> maxb: I'll give you a builder for a bit.
[17:57] <maxb> cjwatson: no need, the build will probably fail anyway
[17:57] <maxb> I am just looking for hints on what people currently do if they bother to still update hardy
[17:57] <cjwatson> 106 jobs.  Heh.
[17:57] <cjwatson> We give lpia a builder or two every so often.
[17:58] <cjwatson> Don't really want to give it too many since the other queues are rather long.
[17:58] <cjwatson> (At the moment)
[17:58] <maxb> I wonder if declaring my package "Architecture: i386 amd64" will do something useful
[18:00] <maxb> I've deleted my package with the pending lpia build in the interest of not tying up resources with something that is likely to FTBFS
[18:04] <cjwatson> maxb: It should do.
[22:33] <mikal> Hi. I have done a project.searchTasks() to get a list of bug_tasks. I can see how to get to the bug from a task, but I can't see how to access the activity collection for each bug. Does anyone have an example of that laying around?
[22:36] <cjwatson> mikal: If you have a bug in the 'bug' variable, bug.activity is a collection of activity entries
[22:37] <cjwatson> e.g. in lp-shell: bug = lp.bugs[1000000]; bug.activity[0].message -> 'added bug'
[22:38] <cjwatson> the general thing to know is that for anything where the apidoc says foo_collection_link, you can access .foo in Python and you'll get a collection (which behaves more or less like an iterable)
[22:41] <mikal> Ok, so len works for .activty, but .activity[0] doesn't exist (list index out of range).
[22:41] <mikal> Ditto .activity[1]
[22:44] <lifeless> what about 'for thing in bug.activity: print thing' ?
[22:44] <mikal> That iterates zero things
[22:44] <lifeless> win'
[22:44] <lifeless> (not really)
[22:45] <mikal> The code is:
[22:45] <mikal> bugs = proj.searchTasks(modified_since=since)
[22:45] <mikal> for b in bugs:
[22:45] <mikal>     print b.title
[22:45] <mikal>     print len(b.bug.activity)
[22:45] <mikal>     print b.bug.activity[1].message
[22:45] <mikal> len here is 16
[22:45] <mikal> But I get the "list index out of range" for the last line
[22:47] <cjwatson> WFM with proj == lp.projects["ubuntu-archive-tools"]
[22:47] <mikal> This is with project "nova" and the bug title is "Bug #1062277 in OpenStack Compute (nova): "092_add_instance_system_metadata migration fails when upgrading""
[22:48] <cjwatson> Although rings a very very faint bell somewhere
[22:48] <cjwatson> I can get lp.bugs[1062277].activity[1] just fine
[22:50] <mikal> print launchpad.bugs[1062277].activity[1]
[22:50] <mikal> Gives me the same error
[22:50] <mikal> Would this be an anonymous login thing or something?
[22:51] <cjwatson> Ah - yes
[22:52] <mikal> Oh look, now it works
[22:53] <cjwatson> IBugActivity seems to have no particular security defined for it anywhere I can see, which I think means it defaults to ViewByLoggedInUser
[22:54] <cjwatson> So yeah, you'd have to be logged in to see it
[22:55] <cjwatson> mikal: bug 991079
[22:56] <mikal> Huh, cool
[22:56] <mikal> Thanks for your help
[22:56] <mikal> Now to work out how to use an activity object


[22:29] <bobodod> hello
[22:31] <bobodod> anyone here?
[22:31] <sommer> sort of
[22:32] <bobodod> I'd like to ask a couple questions about getting started on helping in the wiki.
[22:32] <bobodod> got a min?
[22:32] <sommer> sure
[22:34] <bobodod> I've got a few ODF docs I use to keep track of solutions I've found for Ubuntu problems, projects I'm working on or want to pursue, package settings I like, etc.  Is it cool to migrate those to subpages of wiki.ubuntu.com/bobodod/?
[22:37] <sommer> bobodod: I don
[22:37] <sommer> err don't  think there'd be anything wrong with that per se
[22:38] <sommer> but if your current stuff applies to existing pages it'd probably be better to add the new content to existing pages
[22:39] <sommer> also it'd be greatly appreciated to improve the community docs on help.ubuntu.com/community
[22:40] <bobodod> sommer:  that's definitely the plan.  A lot of it is actually from those pages already, but formatted in a way that is useful to me, i.e. condensed & steps laid out w/o descriptions.  One of the things I want to put there is a large (& still growing) CLI cheat-sheet.  I'm definitely going to use these things not only for my own benefit but to help me manage the ways in which I can help the community docs, which is why I thought it might
[22:40] <bobodod>  be ok.
[22:42] <sommer> cool, I say go for it... great thing about wikis is they're easy to change :)
[22:45] <bobodod> do you have any idea if there's a way for me to backup those pages once I put them there?  What would be ideal would be to be able to cache local copies & keep them sync'd (for backup & offline reference).  I searched MoinMoin's site & a few other places for a way to do this, but all I could find was stuff about using rsync & so on, which I don't think I could do w/o lower-level access.
[22:45] <bobodod> Although, I could use HTTrack...
[22:45] <bobodod> I think...
[22:50] <sommer> ya, not sure about that... I'd think the only way'd be some sort of scraper
[22:53] <bobodod> ok, right on.  That's what HTTrack is & it happens to be packaged in the Universe repository already.  Check it out here, if you're curious:  http://www.httrack.com/
[22:54] <bobodod> sommer:  thanks a lot for your help!  I recognize your name, so I must have seen your work in the docs.
[22:56] <sommer> bobodod: np


[00:03] <mmcc> ok, that sync menu / indicator bug appears nice and fixed now on os x, but for some reason I can't reproduce the bug on ubuntu with recent trunk.
[00:04] <mmcc> have to go now, will come back later tonight to try again and then propose the merge
[00:05] <mmcc> what should happen: start CP with --with-icon, and then do something outside the CP to change the status (add a file, etc). with the current code, the menu should update but the CP main window indicator won't, because the menu's handler overwrote the main window's handler
[00:06] <mmcc> but on linux just now the main window's indicator worked fine when called --with-icon, so maybe the menu registered its handler first? or something else is going on…
[00:06] <mmcc> to be continued…
[07:12] <mmcc> ok, it looks like that issue is because of dbus - in the dbus implementation of the syncdaemon proxy we ADD callbacks for the status-changed signal, while in the perspective_broker implementation, we just SET the callback, so There Can Be Only One (callback)
[07:13] <mmcc> so my question for the night is - is the sys tray status menu broken on windows like it is on OSX now, and no one noticed? or is there something else I need to figure out?
[07:13] <mmcc> but it's time for sleep now, so I look forward to seeing your answers in the morning :)
[08:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :D
[12:03] <alecu> hello!
[12:06] <facundobatista> Hola alecu
[12:13] <mandel> alecu, buenas!
[12:14] <mandel> alecu, so I'm nearly done with clicking download and showing a empty generic preview with a cancel and buy now actions
[12:14] <mandel> alecu, debugging at the moment why the second preview does not get shown
[12:14] <mandel> is something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1187152/
[12:15] <alecu> mandel: is that all on the unity side? I've been working on some bits on the lens side.
[12:15] <alecu> mandel: oh, no: that's on the lens side too.
[12:16] <mandel> alecu, is in the unity-lens-music side in the musicstore scope to get it done, the next step is to do the actual preview in the cpp side (unity)
[12:16] <mandel> alecu, yes, atm the unity preview I have is a summy one
[12:16] <mandel> s/summy/dummy
[12:17] <alecu> mandel: yes, this is similar to what I've been playing with.
[12:18] <mandel> alecu, ups.. well, I got to the point where I got an answer of the type: 'this was never tested'
[12:19] <mandel> alecu, I just wanted to be able to see the u1paymentpreview so I had to do this glue anyway
[12:24] <alecu> mandel: right! I didn't get that far, either: I only showed the same preview, but with a new button added.
[12:24] <alecu> mandel: but the dash would not show the new button.
[12:25] <alecu> mandel: also, I got a lot of trouble getting the file.from_url to work.
[12:25] <mandel> alecu, where you using the same instance of the preview?
[12:25] <alecu> mandel: yes
[12:26] <mandel> alecu, that might be the reason why it shows a new button.. from here: http://people.canonical.com/~mhr3/python/Unity-5.0.html I understand that with_preview takes a new instance of a preview and does the right thing
[12:26] <alecu> mandel: it seems that gvfs is broken on Q, so getting a url is broken. I had to replace every webcall with a reading from a local file.
[12:26] <mandel> alecu, but it seems that it does not..
[12:26] <alecu> mandel: right
[12:26] <mandel> alecu, fuuuuu to gvfs
[12:27] <alecu> mandel: even nautilus has problems opening the trash:// url!
[12:27] <mandel> alecu, dednick seems to be they guy to ping about the preview problem
[12:27] <alecu> anyway, I'm scared of updating, because I updated yesterday morning and then spent half of the day chasing this issue :-(
[12:28] <alecu> mandel: right, let's ask him
[12:28] <mandel> alecu, I'm in theory up to date, let me try to get to the trash
[12:29] <mandel> alecu, in my system trash:// on  nautilus (or files how they call it know) works
[12:29] <alecu> mandel: if the webcalls work for you then it's not broken.
[12:29] <alecu> mandel: when did you update your vm?
[12:29] <mandel> alecu, is my actual machine
[12:29] <mandel> like a few mins ago
[12:30] <alecu> mandel: awesome, updating too.
[12:42] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:43] <ralsina> mandel: unless you have gnome from git, you still have nautilus :-)
[12:43] <ralsina> mandel: ubuntu didn't update it
[12:44] <mandel> ralsina, yes, we are in 3.4
[12:44] <alecu> ralsina: good morning to you, boss
[12:45] <dobey> hmm
[12:49] <mandel> lunch time for me, I need energy to deal with unity ;-)
[12:49] <alecu> morning to you too, dobey!
[12:49] <alecu> mandel: buen provecho
[12:49] <dobey> buenas dias alecu
[13:59]  * mandel back
[14:00] <mandel> alecu, I'll be doing the preview for the payment, or at least the closest thing possible
[14:01] <alecu> mandel: let's settle on what we will send in that extended struct, so we can work in parallel.
[14:01] <mandel> alecu, sure, mumble?
[14:01] <mandel> alecu, talking seems to be faster
[14:01] <alecu> mandel: let me find my mumbling laptop
[14:02] <mandel> sure
[14:20] <mmcc> hey folks
[14:21] <mmcc> does anyone use the windows sys tray icon/menu?
[14:21] <mmcc> I think it should break the main window's status indicator the same as on darwin…
[14:21] <briancurtin> mmcc: yes
[14:22] <briancurtin> it doesnt really do a lot, but you have to use it to quit so that's about all i use it for
[14:22] <mmcc> briancurtin: have you ever noticed if the control panel main window status indicator is correct or not?
[14:23] <briancurtin> mmcc: you mean the green checkbox thing, or something else? (i'm not familiar with 'main window status indicator')
[14:24] <mmcc> briancurtin: sorry, yeah the green checkmark in the top right of the control panel window.
[14:25] <mmcc> briancurtin: I think that on windows, with the sync menu running, the checkmark in the main window should be stale - never updated after the initial status
[14:25] <mmcc> I'm going to go test it in my windows VM, but I was just wondering if that was a known bug
[14:26] <briancurtin> mmcc: one of my tests after we make a new installer is to make the installer, then sync the installer to my u1 with that installer, and i watch that status change from green to synching to green, then check it online, as a smoke test
[14:26] <briancurtin> mmcc: is this stale status a recent change/issue?
[14:26] <mmcc> briancurtin: I don't think it's recent. hmmm.
[14:26] <briancurtin> mmcc: because i haven't been watching status change since i did the last installer a few weeks ago...otherwise i just have u1 off in the tray and i ignore it
[14:27] <mmcc> briancurtin: the sys tray icon isn't running in its own process or anything weird, right?
[14:28] <briancurtin> nope
[14:29] <mmcc> the issue is that the IPC version of the syncdaemon proxy replaces the status update handler when you tell it to set the handler, while the dbus version *adds* the handler - so on linux, both get called but on darwin, only the menu's handler gets called, because it was set last
[14:29] <mmcc> It *should* be the same on windows, but I guess there's more to it than that
[14:31] <briancurtin> mmcc: hmm. let me resync everything with trunk and try it out
[14:32] <mmcc> briancurtin: ok, thanks. I'm testing it too, so if you're busy you can skip it…
[14:35] <briancurtin> nvidia driver just crashed three times, so that's nice. "when in doubt, reboot"
[14:50] <mmcc> brb
[14:55] <mmcc> b
[14:59] <ralsina> mmcc, briancurtin, mandel, thisfred, alecu, dobey: standup in 1'
[15:00] <alecu> thanks!
[15:00] <mandel> me
[15:01] <ralsina> me
[15:01] <thisfred> me
[15:01] <briancurtin> me
[15:01] <alecu> me
[15:01] <dobey> me
[15:01] <ralsina> mmcc is last, go mandel!
[15:01] <mandel> DONE: Tried to get a preview after a preview in the dash, it looks like calling Unity.ActivationResponse.with_preview does not work as expected, we will hardcode previews to always show the payment confirmation until we get that to work. Understood how we can pass the data between the processes so that, 1 we get data from the lens scope, 2 we send the password back by reading from the text field.
[15:01] <mandel> TODO: Create a mock of the payment preview with hardcode data but correct layout + sending the password back (will add the proper dict once alecu has written the doc so that we are in the same page).
[15:01] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:01] <mandel> ralsina, please
[15:01] <ralsina> DONE: calls, worked on fixing a bug, talked a lot with design, 1-1s, etc. TODO: propose branch, fix other stuff BLOCKED: headache NEXT: thisfred
[15:02] <alecu> DONE: music-lens: research, understanding and mumbling
[15:02] <alecu> TODO: more of the same
[15:02] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[15:02] <alecu> oops
[15:02] <briancurtin> DONE: replaced getPage and the HTTPServer's twisted implementations with standard library "equivalents" in https://code.launchpad.net/~brian.curtin/ubuntuone-dev-tools/py3-getPage-replacement
[15:02] <briancurtin> TODO: finish the HTTPS version
[15:02] <briancurtin> NEXT: dobey
[15:02] <dobey> DONE: icon magic, music store poking
[15:02] <dobey> TODO: release/package icon magic?, more music store poking
[15:02] <dobey> BLCK: None.
[15:02] <briancurtin> back to thisfred
[15:02] <dobey> mmcc or thisfred: fight and go
[15:02] <thisfred> DONE: u1db basic auth | fixed get_docs bug TODO: u1db playlists BLOCKED: no NEXT: briancurtin
[15:02] <mmcc> DONE: tweaked daemon branches, review, investigate icons, sync
[15:02] <mmcc> indicator bug
[15:02] <mmcc> TODO: sync indicator, start new daemon
[15:02] <mmcc> BLCK: no
[15:03] <mmcc> I am confused by our new ordering scheme
[15:03] <mandel> thisfred, is that an or | a pipe?
[15:03] <ralsina> Not bad, no twitter paddlings today!
[15:06] <alecu> briancurtin: I like how you solved the HTTPWebServer issue in that branch. Have you tried running the sso tests with it?
[15:07]  * alecu is really curious on how this will interact with our varied WebClient implementations.
[15:11] <briancurtin> alecu: i haven't tried yet. i have one small branch to fix that i can do right now, then i can check SSO
[15:15] <mmcc> better status note: so I have a fix for the sync indicator inconsistencies, and I understand why the fix wasn't necessary on linux, just testing now on windows to be sure I understand what's going on there
[15:20] <dobey> ugh
[15:21] <dobey> png2icns doesn't support the @2x stuff
[15:29] <dobey> ok, need to get lunch. bbiab
[15:34] <ralsina> dobey: when you come back, review of https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntu-sso-client/change-your-mind/+merge/122904 please (sadly, they are new strings)
[15:50] <mmcc> so, what am I forgetting on windows to get the debug output? SET U1_DEBUG=1 doesn't seem to be having any effect
[15:50] <briancurtin> set that, and then run the app with --debug as well
[15:51] <mmcc> briancurtin: that seems to have no effect either…
[15:52] <briancurtin> weird. what exactly are you running?
[15:52] <mmcc> control-panel. I'm trying to reproduce the sync indicator inconsistencies I mentioned earlier
[15:53] <mmcc> and I'm running from the source tree
[15:53] <briancurtin> ohh, i'm not sure if u1cp has a debug output. SSO and syncdaemon do for sure
[15:54] <mmcc> ah, ok. so we need to do something special to enable sending the log to the console on windows?
[15:55] <mmcc> because that'd be handy, as running from source isn't finding the sso gui :( (It's looking for ubuntu-sso-login-qt.exe)
[15:57] <mmcc> but it shouldn't be… urgh
[15:59] <mmcc> OK - this was unexpected - I noticed there was still an icon in the tray, so I quit from there, then tried starting again, and control-panel complained about my command line args
[16:00] <briancurtin> how are you starting it?
[16:00] <mmcc> they were wrong the whole time - but it was showing the control panel despite the args being wrong, until I quit the running instance - does it trigger some kind of "show running program" hook ?
[16:01] <mmcc> I was running it with 'python bin\ubuntuone-control-panel-qt --with_icon' (note underscore instead of dash)
[16:02] <mmcc> and now that I quit the old control panel, I'm getting debut prints from new runs
[16:03] <briancurtin> mmcc: yeah it'll just show the running one, since we only allow one instance at a time
[16:03] <briancurtin> mmcc: nice, i didn't think we had debug output in cp for some reason, but i guess i never tried that one. i know for sure its in SSO and SD
[16:04] <mmcc> huh, I guess I was expecting it to check the args before checking the unique instance, but I see we do it the other way around
[16:04] <mmcc> ok, not so mysterious anymore :)
[16:18] <ralsina> mmcc, briancurtin: either one could do a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntu-sso-client/change-your-mind/+merge/122904 please?
[16:18] <ralsina> to test it run "PYTHONPATH=. bin/ubuntu-sso-login-qt [--login_only] --app_name testing"
[16:19] <mmcc> ralsina: I'll do it on darwin
[16:19] <briancurtin> i'll check it
[16:20] <mandel> mmcc, jut got the email about the latests branch of the daemon (sorry crappy beta email client in Q)
[16:20] <mmcc> mandel: which email was that?
[16:21] <mandel> mmcc, the latests is jenkins-daemon-main but some tests are missing
[16:21] <mmcc> oh the one about proposing the jenkins-daemon-main branch, right
[16:21] <mandel> mmcc, the one with the subject: 	fsevents daemon most recent branch
[16:21] <mandel> mmcc, yes, so, tests are missing but is nearly done
[16:22] <mmcc> ok. well, we can wait on that until you have time, I was just wondering if it was ready yet
[16:22] <mandel> mmcc, no, not yet
[16:23] <mmcc> ok, thanks
[16:28] <briancurtin> ralsina: hm, for some reason i end up getting an ImportError for qt4reactor (which is there, and i can import it). looking into it
[16:28] <briancurtin> it happens after the window comes up, then it gets "Getting information, please wait..."
[16:34] <mmcc> briancurtin: are you running from source? I'm seeing import errors for twisted.internet, same problem. I wonder if the fixes from a while back for running from source didn't quite do it
[16:35] <briancurtin> source
[16:35] <mmcc> specifically, prepending 'python' to the command line for IPC
[16:39] <briancurtin> i dont know what the "for IPC" part means, but i'm running "python bin\ubuntu-sso-login-qt --app_name testing"
[16:41] <dobey> ralsina: needs fixing :)
[16:41] <mmcc> briancurtin: I mean that when the code generates exe names to start subprocesses, it is supposed to be prepending 'python' if sys.frozen isn't defined
[16:41] <mmcc> in my case, it seems like it's not doing that correctly for syncdaemon, sometimes :\
[16:41] <briancurtin> yeah it does. i see get_bin_cmd returning [u'python', u'C:\\u1\\working\\change-your-mind\\bin\\ubuntu-sso-login']
[16:42] <briancurtin> weird that it's not doing that for you
[16:42] <dobey> maybe an issue on osx only?
[16:42] <mmcc> no, it's working for sso-login
[16:42] <dobey> or are you both actually talking about running on windows?
[16:42] <mmcc> dobey, right now I'm in windows
[16:43] <dobey> hmm
[16:43] <mmcc> I still haven't tried ralsina's branch
[16:45] <briancurtin> i'm on windows and using ralsina's branch
[16:46] <briancurtin> i'm not sure that this is specific to his branch, though. trying on trunk now
[16:48] <briancurtin> ehh, doesn't work from source there either
[16:49] <briancurtin> i'll try building this out to executables and look at it that way for the time being
[17:05]  * briancurtin lunch+doctor run, back in a bit
[17:09] <dobey> and there was much rejoicing!
[17:17] <mandel> ok, EOD for me
[17:19] <mmcc> well, running from source is just broken on windows for me
[17:20] <mmcc> I suspect it has something to do with this bug about inconsistencies between windows and unix in os.exec: http://bugs.python.org/issue8557
[17:20] <mmcc> if shell=False in subprocess.Popen, windows uses a function that won't look in $PATH
[17:20] <mmcc> sounds suspicious but I'm not sure that's really what is killing this for me
[17:21] <mmcc> bleh
[17:21] <ralsina> dobey: right, the app name. On the other bit, apparently user testing has caused us to avoid using "sign up" everywhere
[17:26] <dobey> ralsina: i'm not picky; but it can't say ubuntu one there :)
[17:30] <ralsina> dobey: agreed, removed the "Ubuntu One"
[17:30] <ralsina> dobey: BTW, next cycle it's going to say Ubuntu One everywhere because SSO is being rebranded
[17:30]  * ralsina is ahead of the curve
[17:33] <dobey> anyway, couple more comments on the proposal
[17:38] <ralsina> dobey: the different strings in the .ui files are meaningless, they are just placeholders
[17:45] <dobey> ralsina: assuming we don't use them on windows/mac to do translations through the Qt stuff in the future, I guess?
[17:47] <ralsina> dobey: if we do that, we are in for a world of pain, so I propose we don't do that
[17:47] <dobey> ok
[17:47] <ralsina> dobey: we can just always do the translation generation on linux and just use the files on windows
[17:50] <dobey> right
[17:52] <dobey> ralsina: can you make the strings be the same anyway? So it's clear when someone else edits the ui in the future?
[17:52] <ralsina> dobey: sure
[17:52] <dobey> thanks
[17:55] <ralsina> dobey: pushed
[17:59] <mmcc> hey ralsina, do you still have a branch pending working on the share_links panel?
[17:59] <mmcc> s/panel/tab
[17:59] <ralsina> mmcc: no
[17:59] <mmcc> oh, it's merged?
[17:59] <ralsina> mmcc: I have been doing some exploration there but nothing is working well
[17:59] <ralsina> mmcc: yes
[18:00] <mmcc> ah, ok. I noticed test_share_links_search has some paths that are wrong on windows. I'll just file a bug
[18:00] <mmcc> was going to bug you if you were messing with it already anyway
[18:00] <ralsina> mmcc: ok!
[18:03] <dobey> ralsina: looks ok to me now.
[18:05] <ralsina> dobey: I know it's light on tests but I would have to introduce whole new tests cases because this is not tested at all :-(
[18:05] <ralsina> dobey: so thanks
[18:09] <mmcc> ralsina, it's bug 1046466. I also noticed that the code it's testing returns paths with ~ in them - does that work on windows?
[18:09] <ralsina> mmcc: yes, if you apply expanduser to it
[18:10] <ralsina> mmcc: or rather "on any OS that only works if you apply expanduser to it"
[18:10] <mmcc> ralsina: ok then, it should be a trivial test fix
[18:21] <dobey> ralsina: and we have the FFe approval now; so as soon as it's approved/landed in trunk, i'll get the patch into the Ubuntu package as well :)
[18:22] <ralsina> dobey: awesome
[18:27] <dobey> ralsina: btw, your math is wrong. :)
[18:27] <dobey> ralsina: if you don't pay your $100 the first month, the second month you would owe $202, not $102, no? ;)
[18:28] <ralsina> dobey: not if you pay the second month's bill :-)
[18:29] <ralsina> dobey: a possible strategy is to pay every other month, for example
[18:29] <ralsina> very sun tzu, confusing the enemy, etc.
[18:30] <dobey> "only pay on months when the moon is full on the eve of the bill due date"
[18:30] <ralsina> dobey: sure
[18:30] <dobey> sounds less Sun Tzu, and more OCD. :)
[18:31] <ralsina> you have only two moves, pay or not pay
[18:31] <ralsina> the city as sue or not sue
[18:31] <ralsina> on each owner, of course
[18:42] <mmcc> aha, so the windows tray icon didn't have file sync status until just recently
[18:43] <mmcc> so I'm not crazy and I can propose this branch
[18:43] <mmcc> as soon as I test it on linux
[18:45] <mmcc> have we had any serious windows testing since that status menu stuff went in? (ralsina ?)
[18:52]  * briancurtin back
[18:52] <briancurtin> mmcc: i dont know anything about "status menu stuff" so i would think that answer is probably no
[18:53] <ralsina> mmcc: nope
[18:54] <mmcc> briancurtin: the "status menu stuff " landed between august 14 and 20, it adds extra stuff to the sys tray menu and breaks the main window sync status indicator on mac and windows
[18:54] <ralsina> mmcc, briancurtin: we should make windows nightlies work again and ask QA to run some
[18:54] <ralsina> I will put it on my plate for tomorrow
[18:54] <mmcc> ralsina: any plans to eventually have tarmac run tests on mac and windows?
[18:55] <mmcc> I guess I know a bit about the plans for mac
[18:55] <dobey> well, no, not really
[18:55] <mmcc> not that the tests caught this
[18:55] <dobey> tarmac running tests on everything would be crazy complicated :-/
[18:56] <mmcc> fair enough. be nice to have automated tests on windows at least, though. seems like no one (including me) enjoys firing up windows when reviewing branches
[18:56] <ralsina> mmcc: running tests pre-commit on tarmac in more than on eOS is very very difficult
[18:56] <ralsina> mmcc: yes, we relaxed on that a bit and we shouldn't have
[18:57] <briancurtin> i didn't know windows nightlies weren't working. i figured since QA hadn't said anything that they were fine
[18:57] <mmcc> I'll start with the man in the mirror… gotta solve my VM shared folder problems
[18:58] <mmcc> that'll make it less annoying to run windows tests
[18:59] <dobey> mmcc: we do have automated tests on windows in jenkins; but i think they are failing for some reason
[19:00] <mmcc> dobey: ok. where do I look to see that reason? not promising I'll fix it, just curious if it's the same thing I just fought
[19:01] <ralsina> mmcc: there has been a broken test for a few weeks we never got around to fixing :-/
[19:02] <mmcc> ok, so not the same thing.
[19:04] <ralsina> mmcc: https://jenkins.errormessaging.com/view/Windows/ 20 days or so down
[19:05] <dobey> ah
[19:05] <dobey> search box tests are failing on cp
[19:05] <dobey> a couple of u1sdtool tests are failing on client
[19:06] <dobey> hrmm
[19:08] <mmcc> ok those search box failures are bug 1046466
[19:09] <dobey> ok
[19:09] <mmcc> and the other one is something that's been really annoying me on darwin too
[19:09] <dobey> i have a branch to fix the windows-installer issue
[19:09] <mmcc> I meant the u1-client one . weird that that's where it shows up
[19:10] <dobey> oh, the on_download_finished issue?
[19:10] <mmcc> yeah
[19:10] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-jenkins/+merge/122928
[19:11] <mmcc> annoying when testing because it spams the log output
[19:11] <dobey> ralsina, mmcc, briancurtin: ^^ that should fix the installer build anyway
[19:11] <ralsina> dobey: checking
[19:15] <ralsina> dobey: looks good to me
[19:16] <mmcc> dobey, looks ok. just running setup-mac now to assuage my paranoia
[19:17] <briancurtin> looks fine, building now
[19:17] <briancurtin> cross platform jinx
[19:18] <dobey> heh
[19:18] <dobey> mmcc is buying coke for everyone?
[19:19] <mmcc> huhwha
[19:20] <mmcc> briancurtin: I'll let you sign off, since the windows change is more significant
[19:26] <dobey> hrmm, i wish there was an easier way to pull all the translations out of ubuntu for something, off launchpad. the whole getting a link in an e-mail thing is a bit tedious
[19:30] <mmcc> ps briancurtin if you are building trunk to test that jenkins fix, can you also just poke at the sync indicator? start cp, add a file to your synced folder, see if it changes the status shown in the window, and see if it's in sync with the menu that the sys tray icon shows…
[19:30] <briancurtin> mmcc: will do
[19:30] <mmcc> briancurtin: thanks!
[19:36] <dobey> gah; the cloudy shroud of darkness is moving in
[19:42] <briancurtin> dobey: installer branch is good
[19:42] <dobey> thanks
[19:50] <dobey> rain rain, GTFO
[20:10] <briancurtin> mmcc: installer built from trunk doesn't work. "getting information" forever, status shows "loading" after it started up disconnected. weird. i cant really look into it right now though since i'm behind on py3 stuff
[20:12] <mmcc> briancurtin: ok. thanks for looking. :(
[20:14] <mmcc> I also get the 'getting information' forever on windows
[20:16] <briancurtin> mmcc: maybe tied to the issue i was having earlier with ralsina's branch where sso-login-qt was starting sso-login and when it did that, it could no longer import qt4reactor
[20:17] <briancurtin> er, not an issue with his branch, just an issue seen while trying to test it
[20:17] <mmcc> briancurtin: maybe. I was hoping that was confined to running from source and not having the right buildout
[20:17] <ralsina> mmcc, briancurtin: good thing we are not planning any windows releases
[20:17] <mmcc> er, not having the right name for python in the new buildout
[20:17] <ralsina> mmcc, briancurtin: and I know that's not "good" but hey, we are stretched
[20:17] <mmcc> right right
[20:46] <mmcc> lunch
[20:50] <dobey> hrmm
[20:50] <dobey> we use python-distutils-extra on windows/mac also?
[20:51] <briancurtin> dobey: i havent looked into what it's used for, but it's there
[20:51] <briancurtin> and i seem to remember not having it once and it causing issues, but that was long ago
[20:52] <dobey> oh, i see
[20:52] <dobey> the build_i18n is replaced in sso
[20:53] <ralsina> dobey: it's there but it's completely broken, at least on windows
[20:54] <dobey> broken how?
[20:55] <ralsina> dobey: well, it does nothing useful
[20:55] <dobey> build_i18n?
[20:55] <ralsina> dobey: and when I was doing the windows packaging, nothing -extra is supposed to do worked
[20:55] <ralsina> dobey: build_i18n doesn't work because we lack tools on windows
[20:55] <dobey> ralsina: then how is ubuntu-sso-client installed?
[20:56] <dobey> ralsina: right, which is why there is a dummy override in ubuntu-sso-client's setup.py
[20:56] <ralsina> dobey: it's probably just copied into a folder
[20:56] <ralsina> dobey: since "installing" it on windows is useless anyway
[20:56] <dobey> because we're not installing intltool and everything it needs as well
[20:56] <ralsina> dobey: because that's not how we ship it
[20:57] <dobey> ralsina: well, it has options for py2exe stuff defined in it
[20:57] <ralsina> dobey: yes, they never worked, either
[20:57] <dobey> if all that stuff doesn't work, we should probably remove it all
[20:57] <ralsina> dobey: py2exe needs so much hand holding, the generic stuff -extra does never worked at all
[20:57] <ralsina> yes
[20:57] <ralsina> we should not even import it on windows
[21:00] <dobey> the problem is i think we have to :(
[21:00] <dobey> hrmm, or maybe not
[21:00] <dobey> but extra ugly stuff if not
[21:01] <ralsina> dobey: that setup.py needs lots of love from someone who actually understands that kind of thing
[21:01] <ralsina> which AFAIK is noone in the world
[21:02]  * ralsina has hunted years for that mythical developer who understands crossplatform python setup scripts
[21:04] <briancurtin> everyone who has tried to tackle distutils eventually wishes to be disassociated with the project
[21:05]  * dobey sort of understands that stuff; though not py2exe
[21:05] <briancurtin> a few years ago i might have said to get tarek ziade...i think he retired from distutils forever
[21:05] <dobey> to be fair, i have hacked on automake before.
[21:06] <ralsina> dobey: automake should have twisted your brain enough for this to make sense
[21:06] <ralsina> briancurtin: tarek ran away after a while yes
[21:06] <ralsina> like everyone else
[21:06] <ralsina> dobey: py2exe adds a lot of funny bits
[21:07] <ralsina> dobey: and AFAIK py2app adds a barrel of *other* funny bits
[21:07] <ralsina> dobey: in fact, any py2exe thing we have in the individual project's setup.py can be killed because we are not using it
[21:07] <ralsina> the only py2exe/py2app stuff in use in real life is in ubuntuone-windows-installer AKA the-project-that-should-be-renamed
[21:08] <ralsina> I may add cxfreeze support some friday to that to make it more interesting
[21:08] <dobey> ok
[21:11] <dobey> well i have a cross platform setup.py working for ubuntuone-client-data now; but it doesn't install anything for !linux yet
[21:11] <dobey> but of course, installing just an .ico or .icns file isn't very useful
[21:12] <ralsina> dobey: indeed
[21:12] <ralsina> dobey: on windows we don't even install the icon, it's embedded in the binary
[21:12] <dobey> well, it is on linux too
[21:13] <dobey> but we have some extra magical magic
[21:20] <alecu> om$d, I really hate C++, and the time it takes to compile.
[21:20] <alecu> on the other hand, I have a new found love in Vala.
[21:21] <alecu> ever since realizing that vala has yield and async methods that are very similar to inlineCallbacks.
[21:24] <dobey> heh
[21:31] <ralsina> alecu: there is a chance to send mandel to a nux sprint next week
[21:31] <alecu> ralsina: that would be awesome
[21:31] <ralsina> alecu: still pending approval, but hope that helps you guys
[21:31] <ralsina> alecu: I am reading a go book, it's like twisted, but sane
[21:32] <alecu> ralsina: we have split our work so he gets to do the ui, and would benefit a lot from going to that sprint.
[21:32] <ralsina> alecu: that's what I heard, so fingers crossed we get it
[21:33] <alecu> ralsina: I'm working on the bits that talk to the servers... so, as much I would love to go to London on summer, I won't benefit so much from it :-(
[21:33] <ralsina> alecu: haha, was not going to send you. Mandel is much closer.
[21:34] <dobey> alecu: can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntu-sso-client/change-your-mind/+merge/122904 ? it's your review day after all :)
[21:35] <ralsina> alecu: and I *know* it lacks tests, but those areas have none and I can't do a hugebranch with completely new testcases :-(
[21:35] <alecu> dobey: oh, it's my review day, right!  I have to go now; I can do the review tonight or first thing tomorrow.
[21:37] <ralsina> alecu: early tomorrow is ok, we have 3 days
[21:37]  * alecu takes note.
[21:37] <ralsina> I would rather finish that thing tomorrow though :-)
[21:38] <ralsina> EOD for me
[21:38] <ralsina> bye people see you all tomorrow!
[21:38] <alecu> ralsina: my first review would be "please add a bug for the tests"!
[21:39] <ralsina> alecu: feel free to even file the bug and assign to me, but that's not something we are going to get a FFe for :-)
[21:39] <alecu> oh, right :-)
[21:41] <dobey> yes, the sooner that branch lands, the better. but tomorrow am review is ok. just want to get it in ubuntu and get it done :)
[21:41] <dobey> have other stuff i need to get FFe for as well :-/
[21:49] <alecu> dobey: ack.
[21:49] <alecu> ok, this is EOD for me! see you all tomorrow!
[21:50] <dobey> cheers alecu
[21:53] <dobey> same here; later all!
[22:03] <mmcc> back...
[23:11] <mmcc> OK, fixed some dbus tests and wrapped that sync indicator fix up. For review whenever: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-sync-status/+merge/122974


[23:02] <SolarisBoy> thats probably why your ffmpeg is old out of date - Mrokii
[23:02] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: ah :/
[23:03] <Mrokii> SolarisBoy: Okay, thanks.
[23:03] <SolarisBoy> Mrokii: because you probably have the ubuntu ffmpeg default version - but you can just check the man page for the proper option the rotate filter should exist
[23:03] <SolarisBoy> Mrokii: ffmpeg version 0.10.6-6:0.10.6-0ubuntu0jon1~precise1 Copyright (c) 2000-2012 the FFmpeg developers || ffmpeg provides a stable ppa on their site up to date for LTS
[23:03] <francis_> dagnabit i m hankering for some euchre
[23:04] <SolarisBoy> francis_: did you do the apt-get install -f?
[23:04] <francis_> can you write the total command
[23:04] <yourimym1> You are currently in the HTML5 trial. now any video will be html5 auto ?
[23:04] <SolarisBoy> francis_: sudo apt-get install -f
[23:04] <francis_> i m using the software center
[23:04] <Burritoh> yourimym1: I think most videos. I think those with adverts might not work yet, but that was a year ago.
[23:05] <FoFiuS> !register
[23:05] <SolarisBoy> francis_: open a terminal and type the commands in please
[23:05] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: looks like the new LiveCD has some sort of rescue feature. I'm not sure it will be useful for you, but still interesting. http://ubuntu.paslah.com/rescue-a-broken-system/
[23:05] <francis_> ok thanks
[23:06] <yourimym1> thx
[23:06] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: do you get the '/bin/bash' error when you try to chroot first, or when you complete all the chroot commands?
[23:06] <francis_> im scractiin my head like mister bacon
[23:07] <Mrokii> SolarisBoy: I'll just install the later version, thanks.
[23:07]  * SolarisBoy googling mr. bacon
[23:07] <francis_> lol
[23:07] <SolarisBoy> Mrokii: i know it's a harsh solution but i think you'll like it if you do a lot of play with video files
[23:07] <francis_> i need the java plugin
[23:07] <ubuntu22> Burritoh, do you mean mount commands?  I am only executing chroot ounce.
[23:08] <Burritoh> ah
[23:08] <Burritoh> yeah, the mount commands
[23:08] <autobus> Hi guys
[23:08] <francis_> i suppose i could use icet
[23:08] <OzBorne> hmm linux works without me and doesnt need me
[23:08] <autobus> can you help me make ubuntu see the nvidia gpu
[23:08] <Mrokii> SolarisBoy: Why harsh? I have lots of repos included already, so I won't mind another one. :)
[23:08] <trey_> Does anyone know how I can install my wifi adapter on my computer?
[23:08] <ubuntu22> Burritoh,
[23:08] <SolarisBoy> Mrokii: i always feel dirty when i add repos
[23:08] <OzBorne> trey_> try to plug it in
[23:09] <autobus> can anyone help me install the gpu
[23:09] <ubuntu22> Burritoh, now my cursor has disappeared in lice cd..
[23:09] <trey_> Haha, I tried that already, and I tried a couple other things I found online but none of them seemed to work
[23:09] <francis_> ah well whatever i gota fly
[23:09] <Mrokii> SolarisBoy: :D  I don't. I want new versions of software when they're released.
[23:09] <francis_> thanks for your help anyways solarisboy
[23:09] <Burritoh> ubuntu22: reboot D:
[23:09] <autobus> do you hear me?
[23:10] <Burritoh> autobus: no, I see you. :P
[23:10] <Chais> Burritoh: thanks for your help earlier. gf needed the computer as I'm blocking hers
[23:10] <autobus> cool
[23:10] <SolarisBoy> no worries francis_ - i was going to say you can try removing them manually also - they probably have a lot of deps in stuff like your mplayer and what not but meh - if you put them back from another source they should be fine
[23:10] <autobus> do you know how to install nvidia support to ubuntu
[23:10] <trey_> Is there anyway to talk to an Ubuntu employee through this Channel?
[23:10] <Burritoh> Chais: ah, do you need the link again?
[23:10] <SolarisBoy> as stated i use most of my av libs from the ffmpeg ppa
[23:11] <Burritoh> autobus: is this for Steam?
[23:11] <Cogboy> Okay, so, it will let me connect to the Ubuntu IRC, but not to reddit IRC?
[23:11] <autobus> no
[23:11] <autobus> I need it for minecraft
[23:11] <autobus> I opened it once
[23:11] <autobus> and it lagged
[23:11] <autobus> but I couldn't open it again
[23:11] <autobus> :D
[23:11] <Burritoh> ah
[23:12] <Burritoh> autobus: you can install it by going to "Additional drivers" (I think the Unity menu will have it) and selecting the latest version of the drivers (but not 'experimental' if you are not using Steam games)
[23:12] <Chais> Burritoh: nope, still have it open. but didn't help, I'm afraid. turns out the 12.10 image installed 12.04 and didn't even ask me about the architecture but jstu installed i686 -_-
[23:12] <autobus> I am on 12.04
[23:12] <autobus> will that work?
[23:12] <Burritoh> autobus: should do
[23:12] <autobus> ok I am on it thanks
[23:13] <Burritoh> :)
[23:13] <trey_> Hey Burritoh, you seem pretty intelligent. Do you know how I can get my wifi adapter to work on Ubuntu?
 Is there anyway to talk to an Ubuntu employee through this Channel? <-- Canonical employees can probably be emailed, or contacted on mailing lists
[23:14] <Burritoh> trey_: what adaptor is it? it's likely that ndiswrapper is needed for certain adaptors
[23:15] <Burritoh> trey_: most people don't contact Canonical directly regarding distro problems, but rather go to sites like AskUbuntu or the Ubuntu forums
[23:15] <autobus> burritoh
[23:15] <autobus> it opens for a few seconds
[23:15] <autobus> and nothing happens after it
[23:16] <Burritoh> the additional drivers window?
[23:16] <autobus> I tried installing additional drivers (jockey-kde)
[23:16] <Burritoh> oh
[23:16] <autobus> and I started it from terminal
[23:16] <autobus> but it doesn't work either
[23:16] <moth> s
[23:16] <demonio> hi all how can i install perl-modules on my ubuntu 12.10?
[23:16] <anew> what's the easiest lamp to install ?
[23:17] <anew> lamp-server^
[23:17] <anew> ?
[23:18] <Burritoh> autobus: I think try this: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-settings" (those are the closed source drivers)
[23:19] <autobus> it won't break the computer right ? :D
[23:19] <wiggmpk> fortune favors the bold
[23:19] <Burritoh> well, I hope not :P I've had bad luck with drivers. It can usually be recovered. Having another internet connected computer is handy.
[23:19] <autobus> hmm
[23:19] <autobus> is there any safer way to do that :D
[23:20] <autobus> I didn't try from installing www.geforce.com
[23:20] <autobus> *installing from
[23:20] <autobus> the original driver from the original website
[23:20] <histo> !lamp | anew
[23:20] <autobus> the readme/manual was too much complicated for me
[23:21] <lbj_90> I'm trying to diagnose an issue I've been having with hangups after standby and not being able to access a virtual terminal screen -- I get two lines w/ some error about hid-generic. I can copy the full thing over for anyone interested.
[23:21] <histo> autobus: readme for what?
[23:22] <Burritoh> autobus: hm, I think it will yield the same result... I'm not sure but I think all that jockey does is fetch the drivers from the restricted repositories
[23:22] <demonio> how can i install perl-modules on ubuntu 12.10
[23:22] <demonio> ?
[23:22] <Burritoh> autobus: you could also try jockey-gtk, if possible
[23:22] <anew> histo this says do taskel, but i did lamp-server^ first
[23:23] <histo> anew: Then you are good to go.
[23:23] <anew> o rly
[23:23] <autobus> readme of official drivers from nvidia
[23:23] <anew> i thought i had to do taskel first
[23:23] <lbj_90> demonio don't you just need sudo apt-get install?
[23:23] <Burritoh> histo: autobus is trying to install nvidia drivers. Jockey-kde fails.
[23:23] <histo> autobus: what card do you ahve?
[23:23] <autobus> gt 420m
[23:23] <histo> anew: Not if you selected the lamp stack during install. That's all tasksel does.
[23:23] <Burritoh> histo: the purpose is Minecraft.
[23:24] <histo> autobus: Yeah sudo apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-settings
[23:24] <demonio> no it don't work lbj_90
[23:24] <autobus> is that %100 working?
[23:24] <lbj_90> demonio do you get an error message then?
[23:24] <Burritoh> autobus: I can't say for sure. I have nvidia-experimental-310, not nvidia-current.
[23:24] <ubuntu22> Posted my question on stackoverflow: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1434781 please take a look!
[23:25] <wiggmpk> autobus: i use nvidia-current-updates and minecraft works fine
[23:25] <autobus> so I put sudo apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-settings nvidia-current-updates         ?
[23:25] <Burritoh> Minecraft even worked for me when I used nouveau...
[23:25] <histo> autobus: It installs the proprietary driver for your card. If you want more information follow the link from ubottu
[23:25] <histo> !nvidia | autobus
[23:26] <wiggmpk> autobus: no, nvidia-current and nvidia-current-updates are 2 different driver versions.. you should be fine with nvidia-current
[23:26] <deadmund> How can I get the following permissions on a file?  -rwsr-sr-x  ??
[23:26] <autobus> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-settings
[23:26] <autobus> so this one?
[23:26] <wiggmpk> yes
[23:27] <demonio> lbj_90: yes it return "E: the package perl-modules must be reinstalled, but isn't possible find one in archive
[23:27] <demonio> "
[23:27] <autobus> ok I am doing it
[23:27] <Burritoh> I'm gonna go do work, bye.
[23:27] <autobus> bye
[23:27] <jrib> deadmund: why do you want to?  Those "s"s correspond to setuid and setgid
[23:27] <autobus> thanks for the help
[23:28] <Burritoh> np :)
[23:28] <lbj_90> demonio I'm not very knowledgeable on this one, but I asked because it worked on my machine. Have you modified your repositories/sources?
[23:29] <autobus> its downloading
[23:29] <demonio> no no i just installed today ubuntu and it've some problem
[23:29] <autobus> do I have to do anything after this?
[23:29] <demonio> it has**
[23:29] <lagbox> anyone know if any kernel images have been created like the kernel 2.6 poster for newer kernels ?
[23:30] <wiggmpk> autobus: restart your computer
[23:30] <autobus> only that?
[23:30] <wiggmpk> autobus: yes.. in theory
[23:30] <autobus> ok
[23:30] <autobus> hope it works
[23:30] <autobus> or I'll uninstall wine
[23:30] <autobus> :P
[23:30] <FloodBot1> autobus: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:31] <wiggmpk> autobus: this is all for minecraft? are you trying to run minecraft via WINE?
[23:31] <autobus> no
[23:31] <josh146> anyone know if it is possible to share a single desktop with multiple people using x11vnc?
[23:31] <autobus> I only want the gpu to work either
[23:31] <autobus> for some other games too
[23:31] <autobus> and while watching videos, it helps
[23:32] <autobus> will it say "the task is done" when it finishes?
[23:33] <Eagles> Hello. Someone summarize this thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2084592&page=28) for me and lay it out and explain how I "purge" wine1.4 <3
[23:33] <wiggmpk> autobus: i dont know the exact verbage but it should indicate when its finished
[23:34] <autobus> ok
[23:34] <minas> when I open the dash after I turn on my pc, the first time it takes about a minute to load the icons, recent files etc. Is this normal? Can I do something to improve that time?
[23:34] <autobus> it is most probably normal
[23:34] <autobus> may be because of your hdd or ram speed
[23:35] <josh146> anyone have any suggestions for sharing a desktop with multiple users?
[23:35] <minas> autobus, 4 GB ram with i5 2.5 GHz. I don't think that's the problem
[23:35] <div33435>  i want to install java for my browsers.  i installed  openjdk java 7 runtime via muon and restarted chrome but it still doesnt have the plugin
[23:36] <wiggmpk> minas: now when you say "about a minute" is this just you being impatient, assuming it should be quicker, or have you timed it?
[23:38] <minas> wiggmpk, I haven't timed it, but it's not that I am impatient :) It takes a good amount of time, and it is about 1 minute (real time). The problem is, if after some time I type a key, the search works. But If I don't, it takes more time to display things on its own
[23:38] <wolftune> hey, anyone tried LibreOffice 4?
[23:38] <wolftune> Is it going to be backported to 12.04 LTS?
[23:39] <wiggmpk> minas: let me understand this.. if you open the dash and type nothing.... it takes longer to populate "things"?
[23:40] <minas> wiggmpk, yes.
[23:40] <Eagles> Anyone who got Netflix to work on 12.10?
[23:40] <wiggmpk> minas: but if you open it and start typing it works 'quickly' as expected?
[23:40] <wolftune> ugh Netlix :P
[23:40] <mike304> anyone tried installing league of legends on ubuntu?
[23:40] <wolftune> bleah
[23:41] <minas> wiggmpk, no, it is still slow. If I type something AFTER some time has passed (~20 seconds) it will display the results. If I type something earlier than 20 seconds, it will still take time
[23:41] <wiggmpk> Eagles: Netflix doesnt exist to me
[23:41] <Eagles> wiggmpk, ok?
[23:41] <wolftune> wiggmpk: good. Netflix oughtn't exist
[23:42] <wiggmpk> minas: you can try using "sudo updatedb" but I dont use Unity, so I would just assume that its taking time to cache everything to your RAM
[23:42] <Eagles> What do you mean with that then?
[23:42] <wiggmpk> Eagles: sorry, i just really really really dislike Netflix
[23:42] <ubuntu22> Can anyone help me recover my Ubuntu system? I am trying to uninstall packages on the bad system from the live cd but I am getting errors from chroot.. read more here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14905018/cant-chroot-to-recover-ubuntu-64
[23:42] <demonio> nobody can help me?
[23:42] <wiggmpk> Eagles: they support Android and MAC OSx but clearly disregard the user base of Linux Desktop's
[23:42] <wolftune> netflix is about as bad as it gets for proprietary software that tracks you etc
[23:43] <Eagles> Thanks for letting me know about your opinion on Netflix guys
[23:43] <josh146> Eagles, someone got NetFlix to work through wine
[23:43] <josh146> more of a duct tape fix though
[23:43] <minas> wiggmpk, hmm. I hope will be faster in 13.04 (I heard it is)
[23:43] <Eagles> But I was never interested in them, because thisi s #ubuntu, not #opinions
[23:43] <wiggmpk> Eagles: this might help you out http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/how-to-get-netflix-streaming-on-ubuntu-1210/4019
[23:44] <josh146> Eagles, i would suggest running it in a windows VM
[23:44] <wiggmpk> Eagles: no need to have a hissy fit mate
[23:44] <Eagles> I am really not looking for links to tutorials, I have already gone through them all. I am looking for advice from people who have gotten it to work themselves
[23:44] <wolftune> so LibreOffice 4, anyone try?
[23:44] <josh146> Eagles, again best solution is to run it in a vm
[23:45] <wiggmpk> Eagles: well then all I can say is it uses Silverlight which is Windows software and not really supported in this channel
[23:45] <Eagles> josh146, vm as in wine, right?
[23:45] <wolftune> Eagles: VM is as in Virtualbox
[23:46] <josh146> Eagles, VM is in VirtualBox https://www.virtualbox.org/
[23:46] <Eagles> wiggmpk, you're not interested in helping, I got that a long time ago, no need to waste our time anymore
[23:46] <Eagles> josh146, thanks- I'll check it out
[23:46] <lagbox> in 12.10 with unity i have this issue that i can only see certain icons in the tray when i am switching desktops .. when the switch is over they disappear again .. it is only the icons i had to whitelist
[23:46] <wolftune> Eagles: virtualbox means just running straight windows. It's just a way to do it without rebooting with a dual-boot
[23:47] <wiggmpk> have you tried the PPA for Netflix?
[23:47] <ubuntu22> Can anyone help me recover my Ubuntu system? I am trying to uninstall packages on the bad system from the live cd but I am getting errors from chroot.. read more here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14905018/cant-chroot-to-recover-ubuntu-64
[23:48] <wolftune> ubuntu22: why not just keep all your home files and otherwise reinstall?
[23:48] <markkkkkkkkkk> hi. can anyone tell me which driver I'm supposed to pick? ubuntu is so confusing. http://i.imgur.com/hiv2YyY.png
[23:48] <Eagles> wiggmpk, yes- I get "wine: cannot find 'firefox.exe' when using command "netflix-desktop --showdebug"
[23:48] <wiggmpk> Eagles: according to this article I'm reading it doesnt depend on WINE to work
[23:49] <lb27> oh, did someone fix that silverlight silliness?
[23:49] <wolftune> markkkkkkkkkk: don't bother with additional drivers if everything is working without them
[23:49] <markkkkkkkkkk> wolftune.  I have a raspberry server running mumble & openVPN, i want to ensure that if any of the processes crash they are brought back. i'm thinking of making a shell script. however, i'm split between running cron jobs or simply having (wait) in the scripts. which would be the best option ?
[23:50] <wolftune> markkkkkkkkkk: but you can try one thing and change later
[23:50] <ubuntu22> wolftune, what would i lose if I did that?
[23:50] <markkkkkkkkkk> whats the difference between nvidia-current and nvidia-173
[23:50] <OerHeks> markkkkkkkkkk, with nvidia 7600 GT i think the 173 driver
[23:50] <markkkkkkkkkk> and nividia-current-updates
[23:50] <wolftune> markkkkkkkkkk: just how new they are
[23:51] <markkkkkkkkkk> so nvidia drops support for older cards in the newer versions?
[23:51] <wolftune> markkkkkkkkkk: the older is 173, the current is current, the updates are cutting edge
[23:51] <markkkkkkkkkk> in windows I just download the latest one
[23:51] <wolftune> markkkkkkkkkk: no, older cards probably not dropped
[23:51] <wolftune> markkkkkkkkkk: just that newer might be buggy because it hasn't been tested as much
[23:52] <markkkkkkkkkk> oh ok. I thought nvidia was working with steam to make the newer ones better for source games though
[23:52] <wiggmpk> Eagles: wolftune is right though, the easiest approach is to install Windows in a Virtual Machine and just use it like that
[23:52] <wolftune> markkkkkkkkkk: so try the newest if you have reason to think it has updates that matter
[23:52] <markkkkkkkkkk> nvidia-current vs nvidia-current-updates is the most confusing
[23:52] <loculinux> hello
[23:52] <shborn> привет
[23:52] <wolftune> markkkkkkkkkk: updates would be the very newest
[23:52] <markkkkkkkkkk> updates is newer right?
[23:52] <markkkkkkkkkk> oh ok thansks
[23:52] <loculinux> sasss
[23:52] <wolftune> markkkkkkkkkk: well, experimental is newer, but don't do that
[23:53] <markkkkkkkkkk> k I did updates
[23:53] <wolftune> markkkkkkkkkk: updates means newer than the Ubuntu release you are using, but stable
[23:53] <shborn> с России кто ?
[23:53] <OerHeks> !ru | shborn
[23:54] <markkkkkkkkkk> I wish they had the version number. on nvidia 304.64 is the newest
[23:54] <markkkkkkkkkk> nvidia.com that is
[23:54] <wolftune> markkkkkkkkkk: you can skip this and install from nvidia
[23:54] <demonio> pls can anyone help me?
[23:54] <wolftune> markkkkkkkkkk: if you want, follow nvidia instructions
[23:54] <wolftune> demonio: ask your question and see
[23:54] <markkkkkkkkkk> I'll try this first. seems easier
[23:54] <wolftune> markkkkkkkkkk: yup
[23:55] <OerHeks> use the driver installer not from the web, you won't get updates.
[23:56] <Ben64> !info nvidia-current-updates | markkkkkkkkkk
[23:57] <markkkkkkkkkk> so it's not current with nvidia.com (304.64)
[23:57] <markkkkkkkkkk> kinda confusing terminology
[23:57] <Ben64> for some reason
[23:57] <Ben64> its .64 on 12.04
[23:57] <Ben64> !info nvidia-current-updates precise
[23:58] <Ben64> or, if you plan to use steam (or do any gaming) you might want to get the experimental 310 ones
[23:58] <znx> so .. now ive just finished trying to install 12.04 .. it got further than 12.10 but again seems to have crapped out and isn't telling me why :(
[23:58] <markkkkkkkkkk> experimental are only 304 it says
[23:58] <Ben64> !info nvidia-experimental-310
[23:58] <znx> currently it it sitting saying "reading package information"
[23:58] <znx> but its been that way for maybe 30 minutes
[23:59] <znx> what can i do to diagnose whats wrong?
[23:59] <Physicist> What is the command to start the graphic mode from console?
[23:59] <jrib> Physicist: start lightdm
[23:59] <markkkkkkkkkk> k I'll try those thanks


[00:00] <daftykins> i've only bought two - didn't really touch much of the first except Darwinia
[00:02] <shauno> darwinia was neat
[00:03] <shauno> most the introversion games are.  I think uplink was the first software I ever bought just because it had linux compatibility on the box
[00:08] <daftykins> :D
[00:08] <daftykins> i remember seeing a housemate play some
[00:08] <daftykins> with the gigaquad modems or something, heh
[00:12] <arsen> like the look of this xps13 ultrabook - not bad
[00:12] <arsen> tad pricey
[00:16] <daftykins> i'm not convinced battery life would be good
[00:18] <arsen> who knows
[00:19] <arsen> frankly the laptop market is a mess - too many choices, no clear winners, i still find it hard to think anything is better than a mac - and ironically nowadays macs seem good VFM
[00:19] <daftykins> Dell!
[00:19] <daftykins> :D
[00:19] <arsen> what hope do we have!
[00:19] <daftykins> i have a US mate who shopped around for ages then gave in and went MBP, ja
[00:19] <daftykins> i got a nice Lenovo for the boss' kid the other day
[00:19] <daftykins> i may've mentioned? not sure
[00:20] <daftykins> but yeah you really need to drop closer to a grand to get it all i think
[00:20] <daftykins> i'd be prepared to buy something good with bad storage then put in my own SSD, but meh
[00:21] <arsen> yep thatd be fine
[00:21] <arsen> but SSDs are pretty common now sadly
[00:21] <arsen> i even have one in my desktop!
[00:22] <arsen> im starting to get annoyed with windows on my gaming PC - but until steam gets games upto scratch in steamos/linux i cant really flip
[00:25] <daftykins> why would commonality be sad?
[00:25] <shauno> I'm the other way around there .. I want to put together a htpc, but steamos has added a chunk to the requirements
[00:25] <daftykins> hehe
[00:25] <daftykins> i still see PC gaming as at a desk and console gaming on my TV
[00:26] <arsen> as in - its hard to find bargains with non-SSD where its cheap to put the SSD in than buy with already installed :p
[00:26] <daftykins> sadly most of my mates still play on consoles only
[00:26] <daftykins> arsen: ah yes
[00:26] <arsen> pah  - we all still game 'properly' ;)
[00:26] <daftykins> 'tis either paltry unknown model 128GB or a 500GB-1TB with 8GB NAND SSHD
[00:27] <arsen> i have the cruical SSD that was on a deal for black friday.
[00:27] <arsen> got a super nice intel one at work sat in a drawer never being used - a measely 32gig hah
[00:27] <arsen> definitely gona find itself as my steamOS console OS disk ;)
[00:28] <daftykins> ^_^
[00:28] <daftykins> i have the 40GB V-series intel in my HTPC
[00:29] <shauno> I want a new ssd :/  128GB is starting to feel a tad tight
[00:30] <daftykins> OS only?
[00:31] <shauno> kinda everything.  I symlink to rust selectively
[00:31] <arsen> ooh free upgrade to 100meg this year :D
[00:31] <shauno> putting home on hdd seems a bit daft, it gets accessed more than the OS does
[00:32] <arsen> right on that happy note - time to watch some TV in bed.
[00:36] <daftykins> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/b4f29be1fa739ac22496c36c846024e4.html
[00:36] <daftykins> look at my tubes
[00:36] <daftykins> packet loss at every one of those red lines
[00:36] <arsen> :D
[00:37] <daftykins> 'tis muchly odd
[00:37] <daftykins> arsen: us rockdwellers have 40/5 for £35/mo now! D:
[00:37] <arsen> see if aaisp will service your small island :p
[00:37] <arsen> wow - they've been laying pipes!
[00:37] <daftykins> ?
[00:37] <daftykins> oh given my service?
[00:38] <arsen> errrrrrrrr ? :p
[00:38] <daftykins> i don't think infrastructure has ever been that bad, in terms of off-island connectivity
[00:38] <arsen> AAISP = good ISP, i assume you wont be able to get their service but you'd be a fan.
[00:38] <arsen> i thought you guys had suffered for a while
[00:38] <daftykins> i mean what's the 'laying pipes' bit about?
[00:38] <daftykins> yeah the french link seemed to do a lot
[00:38] <arsen> or was it just .. expensive?
[00:39] <daftykins> well they pretty rapidly kept doubling everyone's speeds
[00:39] <daftykins> half megabit to 1, to 2, to 4, to 8, to 16
[00:39] <daftykins> i was disappointed they didn't implement packages
[00:39] <arsen> arh. gothca.
[00:40] <arsen> okay must dash before she gets angry.
[00:40] <arsen> tara :)
[00:41] <daftykins> o/
[01:56] <mapps> O_o
[07:12] <foobarry> http://highscalability.com/blog/2014/2/26/the-whatsapp-architecture-facebook-bought-for-19-billion.html good techie POV
[07:33] <foobarry> One of the few but lingering complaints about the Raspberry Pi is that it relies on a proprietary GPU blob for communication between the graphics drivers and the hardware. Today, Broadcom released the full source for the OpenGL ES 1.1 and 2.0 driver stack for the Broadcom VideoCore IV 3D graphics subsystem running on one of its popular cellphone systems-on-a-chip
[07:34] <foobarry> The SoC in question is similar to the one used on the Raspberry Pi, and Eben Upton says making a port should be 'relatively straightforward.
[07:34] <ali1234> lol
[07:35] <ali1234> two years ago they were saying "the source and documentation is so complicated that it would take a team of hundreds of engineers years to understand it"
[07:35] <foobarry> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/6299
[07:36] <ali1234> and "there is no way any of it would be of any possible use to anyone because it is so complicated"
[07:37] <foobarry> are they quotes from the broadcom employee? :P
[07:37] <ali1234> yes
[07:37] <ali1234> i'm looking for them now
[07:39] <foobarry> politics innit
[07:40] <ali1234> hae they actually released any code that runs on the main core?
[07:40] <ali1234> or any documentation for it?
[07:40] <ali1234> or is this just source for yet-another shim?
[07:43] <foobarry> its in the link ^^
[07:43] <ali1234> yeah i';m too lazy to read it
[07:43] <foobarry> Earlier today, Broadcom announced the release of full documentation for the VideoCore IV graphics core, and a complete source release of the graphics stack under a 3-clause BSD license. The source release targets the BCM21553 cellphone chip, but it should be reasonably straightforward to port this to the BCM2835, allowing access to the graphics core without using the blob
[07:43] <ali1234> that doesn't actually answer my question
[07:43] <ali1234> *which* blob?
[07:43] <ali1234> the raspberry pi is currently unusable without several
[07:49] <foobarry> there's a bit of discussion about that
[07:50] <foobarry> on http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221
[07:52] <ali1234> "The instruction set of the GPU would give away how a lot of the speed is  achieved if it were published, and since no-one (outside Broadcom)  has  access to the compiler and assembler (they are commercial and cost a  lot of money), there seems little point in publishing it anyway. And to  be honest, the only people who really understand some of the more  esoteric instruction sets of some of the more esoteric cores on the chip  are the people who desig
[07:52] <foobarry> some people take your line: "I guarantee you that the shader compiler is not written in VHDL. The driver, the thing that controls the hw, is in the ?firmware? blob. There is nothing ?driver? about the RPC shim code that was released."
[07:52] <ali1234> yep
[07:52] <ali1234> that is well know
[07:52] <ali1234> you can disassemble their blob and find the function which is labelled "shader_compiler"
[07:53] <ali1234> but you can't disassemble it because the GPU core uses an undocumented proprietary instruction set
[07:53] <foobarry> others say at least make it possible to provide the necessary Wayland EGL support for hardware compositing.
[07:53] <ali1234> (which has already been mostly reverse-engineered by the way)
[07:54] <ali1234> btw what you just linked is 18 months old
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/6299#comments
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> that's the newest announcement
[07:55] <foobarry> argh
[07:55] <ali1234> i'm just trapped in a maze of press eleases
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> all different?
[07:55] <ali1234> where is the actual source code and documentation?
[07:55] <ali1234> all alike
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> I had a PDF earlier
[07:55] <foobarry> thats why the link said "ur existing open-source graphics drivers are a thin shim running on the ARM11,"
[07:56] <ali1234> hmm ... we have an architecture reference guide
[07:56] <ali1234> it's 111 pages... that's tiny
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/raspberry-pi-marks-2nd-birthday-with-plan-for-open-source-graphics-driver/ has links
[07:56] <foobarry> http://www.broadcom.com/support/
[07:56] <foobarry> http://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/Brcm_Android_ICS_Graphics_Stack.tar.gz
[07:59] <ali1234> "Nobody needs direct access to the GPU except the people who are *able*  to write code for it, and that is very few people indeed. And there is  no need for access to the GPU blob in order to maintain compatibility  with the Linux ABI. That's the job of the low level drivers on the Arm  side."
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: who says that?
[08:00] <ali1234> a broadcom employee, on the raspberry pi forum
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> when?
[08:00] <ali1234> 2011
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> Just broadcom being broadcom then
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> they're the same with wifi chips
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> very similar to nvidia imho.
[08:01] <ali1234> yeah
[08:01] <ali1234> don't believe they are doing this out of the goodness of their heart
[08:01] <ali1234> they're doing it because the videocore is a security nightmare
[08:05] <ali1234> doesn't look like this contains the source of the bootloader
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> that's next, once they stop selling that chip to anyone but RPi foundation
[08:07] <ali1234> the documentation doesn't describe how to write a bootloader either
[08:07] <ali1234> so you still can't boot the thing without their proprietary watchdog OS
[08:15] <foobarry> what do you guys use for dedrm calibre?
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> nothing
[08:15] <foobarry> seems...not very straightforward on linux
[08:15] <foobarry> and wine/windowsy
[08:15] <foobarry> i have a kobo and need to read books purchased from amazon :S
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> why do you buy books from Amazon if you have a kobo?
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> Or, why buy a kobo if you have Amazon books?
[08:17] <foobarry> books from amazon are usually best value and i regularly take advantage of their 99p books
[08:17] <foobarry> and i often have amazon vouchers
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> .. so you bought a Kindle
[08:17] <foobarry> i don't wnt to be locked in to kindle for the rest of my life
[08:18] <foobarry> and the kobo was £30
[08:19] <foobarry> its straightforward if you have the kindle PIN but if your books are on kindle for pc or kindle cloud its a pain
[09:59] <diddledan> mornin
[10:00] <shauno> o/
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:04] <diddledan> \o/
[10:04] <diddledan> `\o/'
[10:04] <diddledan> argh
[10:05] <diddledan> broken hand by the looks
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> or wrist
[10:05] <shauno> or maybe he's just suuuuuper excited to see you
[10:06] <diddledan> why's there a kitty in the topic?!
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: because it's cute!
[10:07] <diddledan> that's hardly ubuntu-related, though :-p
[10:38] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[10:39] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[10:41] <DJones> Hurry up delivery man
[10:41] <DJones> Patience is not my strong point when waiting for new toys
[10:53] <popey> DJones: what you waiting for?
[10:53] <DJones> popey: New laptop
[10:54] <DJones> Lenovo Y510p
[10:54]  * popey googles
[10:55] <DJones> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Y510p-15-6-inch-Notebook-Processor/dp/B00FSBFBD2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393351633&sr=8-1&keywords=y510p
[10:55] <popey> golly
[10:55] <DJones> Seems like a cracking price for the specification
[10:57] <DJones> Wanted a new laptop with 1920*1080 display at 15.6", that was the best spec'd without going up to £1K
[10:57] <DJones> Even if you go up to 16Gb ram with a 8Gb SSD cache, you can still find them below 1K
[10:58] <popey> nice
[10:58] <DJones> It'll make an interesting test for Trusty
[10:59] <popey> yeah ☻
[11:00] <DJones> Thats after the obligatory 24 hrs creating windows recovery media & updating everything on the windows side
[11:01] <diddledan> one think I really hate about modern laptops is the idiocy of putting the trackpad on the left
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> it's great!
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> <- left-handed
[11:01] <diddledan> my hand goes to the center of the lappy when hunting for the damned trackpad
[11:02] <popey> \o/ trackpint
[11:02] <popey> *point
[11:02] <popey> although pints are fine too
[11:02] <diddledan> so I end up completely missing the thing
[11:02]  * DJones tracks popey's pint, table to mouth ... and back
[11:02] <diddledan> DJones: GPS?
[11:03] <diddledan> +XRay?
[11:03] <DJones> diddledan: Yeah, sort of, although the gps tracker might be in his hand rather than on the glass
[11:03]  * diddledan irradiates popey
[11:05] <DJones> Hmmh, Sainsbury's delivery van isn't delivering a laptop
[11:05] <diddledan> o_O
[11:07] <DJones> Does this look a safe way to install Trust for dualboot with Win 8 http://paste.ubuntu.com/7015434/
[11:07] <DJones> Or are there any quirks/better methods with trusty
[11:08] <popey> I'd point to directhex
[11:08] <DJones> Ta, will bug him later then
[11:09] <directhex> i don't get the boot repair bit
[11:09] <directhex> or the disable SB bit
[11:11] <diddledan> secureboot shouldn't be an issue anymore?
[11:11] <diddledan> I thought I read that we got a certificate from MS for the bootloader?
[11:11] <DJones> diddledan: So just turn off fast boot, install & bob's your uncle ?
[11:11] <directhex> just make sure /boot is plenty big
[11:12] <directhex> needs to be ~3x bigger than without SB
[11:12] <diddledan> o_O
[11:12] <diddledan> I wasn't aware of that
[11:13] <directhex> well, you need space for your kernel, and initrd
[11:13] <directhex> and signed kernel, and signed initrd
[11:13] <directhex> and temp space for creation of signed initrd
[11:13] <DJones> I wouldn't specify a partition for /boot, will just go with the typical /, /swap & /home, maybe 100Gb for / and 400Gb for /home, thats probably way over the top for / but will be plenty of space anyway
[11:13] <directhex> that's probably true if you aren't using encrypted /
[11:13] <directhex> which we do
[11:14] <ali1234> why does it need to be bigger *without* SB?
[11:15] <ali1234> wait never mind i misread
[11:15] <directhex> wife's PC is boned /o\
[11:16] <DJones> Repairable?
[11:16] <diddledan> I hope you're not a teenager ("I totally boned that")
[11:16] <diddledan> referring to a female usually
[11:16] <DJones> Hopefully not in the Trigger's broom style of repair
[11:17] <foobarry> finally able to read my own books. now to replicate on linux
[11:17] <diddledan> I love how such a throwaway thing has entered public consciousness as a simile
[11:18] <directhex> ask not for whom the bone bones. it bones for thee
[11:18] <directhex> DJones, still diagnosing. might just be RAM, might be much worse than that
[11:18] <directhex> (cpu or mobo)
[11:18] <foobarry> http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/28/5457160/fortress-investment-group-reports-a-3-7-million-loss-on-bitcoin
[11:18] <foobarry> stifles a lol
[11:19] <ali1234> RBS lost £47 billion
[11:19] <ali1234> they're only worth £58 billion
[11:19] <directhex> 57243 errors in first pass
[11:19] <directhex> looks like a lot of 1-bit errors
[11:20] <directhex> e.g. Expected: 00000000 Actual: 00000100
[11:21] <diddledan> ali1234: hence why it required the public to buy them to keep them afloat
[11:21] <ali1234> diddledan: no, they lost *another* £47 billion
[11:21] <diddledan> oh god
[11:21] <diddledan> that's seriously impressive then
[11:22] <diddledan> thank god they're not owned by the public then >.<
[11:22] <ali1234> actually that might not be totally accurate
[11:23] <ali1234> this is losses since the bailout
[11:23] <diddledan> it doesn't matter if they make a loss. they're officially a government department now which means it's a requisite
[11:23] <ali1234> i don't know if that means it includes the losses that required bailing out in the first place
[11:24] <diddledan> I should think there's some sort of explanation going on akin to those of yes minister
[11:25] <ali1234> they announced a loss of £28 billion on the same day as the bailout was announced
[11:25] <ali1234> so i'm still none the wise
[11:25] <ali1234> r
[11:27] <ali1234> ah, it's including the original loss
[11:28] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:28] <ali1234> i'm guessing now all that money is gone, the government shares will be sold at a loss and they will magically start being profitable again
[11:29]  * popey plays portal 2
[11:29] <bigcalm> Is it on Linux now?
[11:29] <popey> ya
[11:29] <popey> beta
[11:29] <bigcalm> \o/
[11:29]  * bigcalm runs to steam
[11:30] <bigcalm> "You do not have enough disk space available to run this game."
 That can go
[11:40] <foobarry> follow the leader A|ARRGH
[11:40] <bigcalm> How old is he?
[11:40] <foobarry> 4
[11:40] <foobarry> he used to like the beatles, adele and sufjan stevens
[11:41] <ali1234> i'm still waiting for someone to make a kim dotcom/michael buble mashup called dotcom buble
[11:41] <foobarry> he's been choosing cds on the stereo since he was able to stnad
[11:41] <foobarry> he's like, folder 5, track 15, daddy likes that one
[11:41] <foobarry> walking jukebox
[11:42] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:42] <foobarry> blue cd track 6
[11:42] <bigcalm> Blue, the group?
[11:43] <foobarry> no..just a blue coloured one
[11:43] <foobarry> can't believe the time i spent on this ebook problem the other night
[11:44] <foobarry> now it works
[11:44] <foobarry> should really write it down for next tiem
[11:49] <bigcalm> Portal 2 won't load for me :(
[11:50] <bigcalm> Game update: AppID 620 "Portal 2 (Beta)", ProcID 5177, IP <IP_ADDRESS>:0
[11:50] <bigcalm> ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/iain/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[11:50] <bigcalm> /bin/sh: 1: /home/iain/.local/share/Steam/SteamApps/common/Portal 2/portal2.sh: not found
[11:50] <diddledan> does that sh file exist?
[11:51] <foobarry> do kindles have micro sd slots?
[11:51] <bigcalm> Yes
[11:51] <bigcalm> no
[11:51] <bigcalm> Not the one I sold to my mum
[11:51] <foobarry> my £30 kobo does..handy
[11:51] <bigcalm> diddledan: the file exists
[11:51] <diddledan> try running it manually?
[11:52] <penguin42> bigcalm: If it's a shell script, does it have a #! at the top and does the path in that exist?
[11:52] <bigcalm> penguin42: /bin/bash and yet
[11:53] <bigcalm> yes
[11:53] <bigcalm> Ah, looks to be a line ending problem
[11:53] <bigcalm> Damn windows people
[11:53] <bigcalm> bash: .local/share/Steam/SteamApps/common/Portal 2/portal2.sh: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[11:54] <popey> well, portal2 works perfectly here. nice work valve
[11:54] <penguin42> bigcalm: You didn't download the file on windows and transfer it to Linux did you?
[11:55] <bigcalm> penguin42: no, I used linux steam
[11:57]  * bigcalm goes to try it on the new laptop
[11:58] <foobarry> strange, calibre thinks that kobo doesn't understand mobi format and isnists on converting them to epub
[11:58] <foobarry> but it does
[11:58] <ali1234> calibre is terrible
[11:58] <penguin42> bigcalm: It sounds like it's gone through a cr/lf conversion one time too many doesn't it - I wonder where that happened
[12:03] <bigcalm> penguin42: I ran fromdos on the launcher and then hit another error:
[12:03] <bigcalm> iain@snafu2:~$ .local/share/Steam/SteamApps/common/Portal\ 2/portal2.sh
[12:03] <bigcalm> .local/share/Steam/SteamApps/common/Portal 2/portal2.sh: line 40: /home/iain/.local/share/Steam/SteamApps/common/Portal 2/: Is a directory
[12:03] <bigcalm> So I've given up on this system and currently downloading on my laptop
[12:04] <penguin42> bigcalm: The thing is if it screwed one file up it's unlikely it's the only screwed up file
[12:04] <bigcalm> True
[12:05]  * bigcalm consoles himself with a banana
[12:06] <foobarry> calibre installer: sudo -v && wget -nv -O- https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/raw/master/setup/linux-installer.py | sudo python -c "import sys; main=lambda:sys.stderr.write('Download failed\n'); exec(sys.stdin.read()); main()"
[12:06] <foobarry> yuck!
[12:06] <foobarry> meanwhile ubuntu has really old version in repos
[12:07] <diddledan> isn't calibre the one that ships with a "helper" script that allows anybody to do anything with any /dev device?
[12:08] <foobarry> :(
[12:08] <diddledan> http://lwn.net/Articles/465311/
[12:08] <foobarry> scared to click
[12:10] <foobarry> i clicked
[12:13] <foobarry> the mobi thing is fixable but strange since mobi support has been there since forever
[12:15] <diddledan> looks like the ubuntu package has a replacement script - any it's not so much any /dev device but more any filesystem via mount
[12:15] <Laney> 'really old' being 1.25 when 1.26 came out yesterday
[12:16] <foobarry> i'm on 12.04
[12:16] <foobarry> maybe thats whats really old :)
[12:16] <foobarry> 0.86
[12:16] <foobarry> i have 1.26 now
[12:16] <Laney> 12.04 in having apps that came out before 2012/04 shocker :P
[12:16] <foobarry> and no ppa :(
[12:19] <foobarry> i can upgrade soon :D
[12:20] <foobarry> if 14.04 is same or better performance :D
[12:23] <bigcalm> penguin42: same error trying to run Portal 2 on my laptop
[12:23] <bigcalm> I give up
[12:32] <foobarry> so you choose small icons for calibre but the 2nd row of icons remains :(
[12:36] <foobarry> wow i only just discovered grid/civer view in calibre
[12:36] <foobarry> suddenly it looks nicer
[12:39] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/Hr0dhDH.png
[12:39] <foobarry> taken me 3 years to find that
[13:11] <popey> are they all books you've stripped drm from?
[13:11] <popey> I mean, its nice because it shows lots of metadata and covers etc
[15:10] <directhex> results are in, it's bad RAM
[15:15] <isleofmandan> Hi folks. Should a 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' take my 13.10 laptop to the 14.04 beta. It seems to try but fails. Is that not supported in the beta releases?
[15:19] <AlanBell> isleofmandan: yes it should work
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> isleofmandan: what's the error?
[15:19] <AlanBell> however there isn't much 14.04 branding in place yet
[15:19] <isleofmandan> "Unable to determine the upgrade"
[15:19] <isleofmandan> I think it's looking for non-existent mirrors
[15:20] <isleofmandan> lots of lines that start Err:
[15:20] <AlanBell> oh yes, I moved to the main mirrors to get mine working rather than the gb ones
[15:20] <isleofmandan> Mine's looking for Isle of Man ones. Even less likely to exist!
[15:21] <AlanBell> 404 island not found
[15:21] <AlanBell> so in software sources you can change it to look to the main mirrors
[15:22] <AlanBell> actually, of all the places in the world, the Isle of Man mirrors would be at the top of my list of places I might expect stuff to just work ;)
[15:22] <isleofmandan> I know.. I actually the the im.ubuntu stuff is just a microserer in a cupboard under Mark's stairs ;)
[15:22] <isleofmandan> actually think....
[15:23] <AlanBell> he mentioned being told off for having too many servers in the garage at one point I think
[15:23] <isleofmandan> :)
[15:27] <isleofmandan> Seems to be downloading more stuff now I've moved to the main mirror
[15:28] <isleofmandan> but still no go.  Oh well.  I'll wait until it's properly cooked  ;)   Not that many changes from 13.10 anyway, from what I've been reading?
[15:46] <AlanBell> isleofmandan: locally integrated menus \o/
[15:46] <AlanBell> no more crazy apple style global menu thing
[15:47] <isleofmandan> Ah. Does that mean Libre Office works properly now? :)
[15:48] <AlanBell> yes, no menu oddness in LO that I have seen
[15:48] <isleofmandan> Hurrah. Worth the upgrade just for that then.
[15:48] <shauno> lol, that wasn't apple-style, that was "styled by someone who once saw a screenshot"
[15:48] <AlanBell> mousewheel over launcher icons has got slightly worse
[15:48] <AlanBell> shauno: ah, I have only seen a screenshot so, I thought it was apple style
[15:49] <AlanBell> I did use an apple a couple of times, but that was before they had colour screens
[15:49] <AlanBell> global menu was annoying then too
[15:50] <AlanBell> as was putting a floppy in the trash to eject it, because there was no eject button
[15:51] <isleofmandan> Global menus are always in the same place though! Fine if you're using a mouse, but a real PITA on a small touchpad on a laptop - it's a long way to the top left of the screen ;)
[15:51] <AlanBell> and everyone who spent more than 15 minutes trying to get their coursework floppy back out from a mac in 1992 can celibrate bug 764905
[15:54] <isleofmandan> It's funny what you get used to. I struggled with Unity when it was released. Took me a while to drive it properly. Now whenever I try other desktops, I always come back to using Unity!
[15:55] <AlanBell> after alt-tab got mostly fixed I stuck with unity, I was oscilating between unity and gnome-shell for some time
[15:56] <AlanBell> global menu I never really got used to
[15:56] <AlanBell> locally integrated menus I love instantly
[15:56] <AlanBell> I like the window handling, the compiz grid stuff
[15:57] <isleofmandan> Yes, Alt-Tab breakage was frustrating. I've a funny feeling I'll switch back to local menus too. I think only long-term Mac users would prefer global over local.
[15:57] <AlanBell> launcher is a bit of an acquired taste, now that right click shows a window list I like it more
[15:58] <shauno> they taught us to type on those old monochrome macs.  I coudn't stand them.  the drive made it look like it was a little face smirking at you
[15:58] <shauno> and now they're worth a few bob.  weird world
[15:58] <isleofmandan> I've seen screenshots where the launcher collapses, to show only open applications. Mine doesn't do that, so I'm always scrolling up and down to find my open windows....
[15:59] <AlanBell> scroll wheel on launcher icons doesn't currently move the z-order of the windows correctly, I keep meaning to video that but I am struggling to get audio and video happening at the same time on screencasts at the moment
[15:59] <isleofmandan> shauno: I doubt they'd be worth much if the 'cult of the shiny' hadn't evolved in recent years.
[16:00] <AlanBell> yeah, I occasionally remove stuff from the launcher to have more running things in view
[16:01] <AlanBell> trouble is that when you remove things from the launcher you know you will have to find them again one day in the dash
[16:01] <isleofmandan> I have very little on my launcher. Hitting the super key and typing a few letters work very well for me.
[16:03] <AlanBell> looks like the filters have completely gone from the dash now
[16:04] <isleofmandan> Think I'll download the .iso and have a look. I try to get onto the beta track so that a) I can do my bit and file bug reports, and b) Get a heads-up on new features so I can answer questions from the people on the island I persuaded to run Ubuntu full-time!
[16:21] <DJones> urg, 500mb of updates to go
[16:24] <jussi> only? :P
[16:26] <DJones> well, first pass for Windows
[16:26] <DJones> Probably a 2nd lot of 500mb still to come
[16:28] <jussi> oh windows. thatll take about 3 hours to install, then, no ?
[16:28] <jussi> :P
[16:29] <jussi> seriously, I hate those windows updates at shutdown. no idea if they stopped doing it, but it was still present on 7 last time i checked
[16:49] <daubers> Weeeeeeee
[16:49] <daubers> Got the eeepc running again
[16:49] <foobarry> popey: yes most are azw loaded from kindle for PC, and converted in calibre
[16:49] <isleofmandan> daubers: Which eeepc model?
[16:49] <daubers> isleofmandan: 701
[16:50] <foobarry> the default calibre view is more ugly but i discovered icons in the bottom corner i didn't know were there, to hide ugly and show covers
[16:50] <daubers> Just running debian in cli only :)
[16:50] <isleofmandan> daubers: Ah the original. I had one for quite a while. Nice idea.
[16:53] <daubers> isleofmandan: This one was originally popeys
[16:53] <daubers> Surprised how well it
[16:53] <daubers> s lasted tbh
[16:55] <isleofmandan> daubers: Mine was donated to my sister's kids. I don't know what happened after that, but they're all on Nexus 7 tablets now.
[16:55] <daubers> heh :)
[17:00]  * foobarry notices directhex getting quoted on lwn.net
[17:00] <foobarry> re: the engimail article
[17:09] <foobarry> anyone worked out how to get the weekly lwn.net bigpage delivered to e-reader?
[17:15] <foobarry> ah, lwn.net/free/bigpage or lwn.net/current/bigpage
[17:44] <DJones> Ah well, thats better than anticipated, just under an hour to update windows 8 & install win 8.1
[18:17] <directhex> only an hour?
[18:17] <directhex> i've been trying to get a decent install of windows 8.1 since yesterday evening
[18:17] <directhex> with 6 hours' break for sleep, 2 for food, and 1 for tesco
[18:31] <bigcalm> directhex: have you got portal 2 running in linux yet?
[18:31] <directhex> yes
[18:31] <bigcalm> Install and run or with some extra magic?
[18:32] <directhex> opt into the public beta, via the betas tab in properties
[18:32] <bigcalm> Done that
[18:32] <bigcalm> But only after downloading in steam
[18:33] <bigcalm> Don't really want to re-download the 6gb
[18:33] <directhex> it's a 60MB difference
[18:34] <directhex> also you might need to manually fix up the audio if you did it that way round
[18:34] <directhex> rename libmiles.so to libMiles.so
[18:35] <bigcalm> Most odd. It hasn't downloaded anything extra
[18:35]  * bigcalm drifts towards deleting local content
[18:40] <Laney> wine1.6 done broke my YNAB
[18:41] <popey> bigcalm: i didnt have to re-download anything, just opt in and it was all good
[18:45] <brobostigon> found an interesting new app, ncdu, an ncurses hdd space analyser.
[18:58] <hazrpg> \o
[19:00] <DJones> directhex: Yeah, surprised me, what I haven't managed yet is to create the recovery media though
[19:02] <Laney> come on 1.7
[19:03] <Laney> you can save me
[19:04] <Laney> yay!
[19:17] <directhex> ynab?
[19:20] <Laney> budgeting program
[19:26] <popey> MartijnVdS: banished any good?
[19:31] <directhex> oh, that's on steam
[19:31] <JorgeMariel_> somebody can help me?
[19:31] <JorgeMariel_> i did this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/306412/how-can-i-setup-my-touchpad-multi-finger-tapping-functionality/428066#428066
[19:32] <JorgeMariel_> and now my ubuntu doesnt start
[21:49] <DJones> ok, I'm impressed, after all the horror stories about windows 8 & dual booting, 14.04 installed without a hitch
[21:50] <penguin42> DJones: On an EFI machine or BIOS?
[21:51] <DJones> penguin42: EFI with secureboot turned off
[21:51] <penguin42> that's cheating :-)
[21:51] <DJones> Works for me :)
[22:47] <daftykins> XD