[00:00] <BarkingFish> Gyges: sorry, I don't visit links without knowing what is supposed to be there, especially redirects
[00:00] <tugba_> yup i was just curious if it deletes the tables or not
[00:00] <tugba_> i got my answer
[00:00] <aaron_samuel> it doesn't care about tables
[00:00] <aaron_samuel> it copies bytes
[00:00] <tugba_> luckly i got an error and it stoped
[00:00] <tugba_> so may be i can rebuild
[00:00] <aaron_samuel> heh
[00:00] <aaron_samuel> not likely
[00:00] <Gyges> BarkingFish, it's about commandline pastebin
[00:01] <escott> tugba_, when did it get an error, and what was the exact command you executed?
[00:01] <jagginess> tugba_, a harddrive is a linear device.. when you store a file on a filesystem it isn't linear because the filesystem driver writes randomly within the partition, BUT the filesystem table is much more structured and very well indexed and is more like a "database"/less random
[00:01] <BarkingFish> just to be on the safe side, I'll open it in a CLI browser :P
[00:01] <tugba_> escott, no may be 2 seconds after i run the command
[00:01] <Gyges> ok
[00:01] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: thats a lot of time
[00:02] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: what was your initial goal and the command you ran? if you dont folks asking
[00:02] <keanne> any idea why /etc/network/interfaces does not work on bootup? but if i restart networking, the static address that i use in the interface file works. but upon bootup, it uses dhcp everytime
[00:02] <escott> tugba_, i meant "how many bytes had it written when it gave the error"
[00:02] <aaron_samuel> hard to find out unless you send kill -USR1 to dd while it's running
[00:02] <BarkingFish> thanks Gyges - I apologise for not trusting you, but when people send me links which I don't know about, I'm kind of weary. I've been taken for a ride so many times with things doing odd stuff to my pc, or pages linking to spam, I'm kind of paranoid :)
[00:02] <Gyges> keanne, maybe some "network-manager"/"wicd" is using dhcp
[00:03] <Gyges> good for you
[00:03] <jabberwalker> I am trying to do a fresh install of 12.04 desktop and when it comes to selecting the partition there are none to select, i boot into live disc and created a partition with gpartion but it still does not see any
[00:03] <tugba_> aaron; i was just trying to get an image file of an corrupted external hdd. i was hoping to write into the hard drive not over it
[00:03] <keanne> i can see in dmesg error messages like operation="profile_log" pid=508" name="/usr/lib/networkmanager/nm-dhcp-client.action"
[00:03] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: the command please.
[00:04] <aaron_samuel> in any regards like i said - it's not like some slow guy performing a job - its a computer - things happen quickly
[00:04] <keanne> Gyges: hmm.. but i dont have network-manager nor dhcp installed
[00:04] <BarkingFish> jabberwalker: are your hard disks being properly detected by your bios, and what are they? IDE or SATA?
[00:04] <jagginess> aaron_samuel, not true.. R.Stallman and L.Torvald live in the cpu
[00:04] <aaron_samuel> haha
[00:04] <tugba_> dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1
[00:04] <aaron_samuel> umm...
[00:05] <hristoasenov> hello, i am currently using ubuntu 8.10 intrepid
[00:05] <tugba_> sdb1 was the external
[00:05] <h00k> !eol | hristoasenov
[00:05] <tugba_> sda1 is the partion that has windows in it
[00:05] <aaron_samuel> well you overwrote sdb1 with sda1 data bit for bit tugba_ .. or started to
[00:05] <jagginess> tugba_, you dont want to do that.. the filesystem tables won't reflect the size of the partition..
[00:05] <escott> tugba_, and how many bytes did it read and write before the error
[00:05] <h00k> hristoasenov: Intrepid is End of Life, check the above link ^
[00:05] <tugba_> yu
[00:05] <jabberwalker> BarkingFish: yes, SATA and I am able to create partitions when in the live disc version of ubunti
[00:05] <creature> Hello. I have a filesystem that I mount by hand. Is there a way to automatically trigger a script when that file system gets mounted?
[00:05] <hristoasenov> however i need to downgrade the kernel because i need to patch a very specific version of it
[00:06] <jagginess> creature, that's a udev rule.. you'll have to dig on how to do that (it's quite an advanced topic)
[00:06] <hristoasenov> mainly linux-<IP_ADDRESS>
[00:06] <tugba_> escott, i got your point but i really dunt know
[00:06] <tugba_> the value
[00:06] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: Intrepid is not supported anymore - there will be nothing you can do with it, I'd imagine.
[00:06] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: what do you think you lost now? the data on the external?
[00:06] <tugba_> aaron, yes i do understand
[00:06] <tugba_> aaron
[00:06] <aaron_samuel> ok
[00:06] <creature> jagginess: I had a brief look at that, as I've found that already. But I'm not sure that's what I want; it's not something that happens when I plug a device in. It's always plugged in, but not always mounted.
[00:06] <jagginess> creature, also it may be possible (i think), to have a dbus mount policy for a certian harddrive.. but i don't think i'll be able to find a source on that
[00:06] <hristoasenov> i tried installing hardy haron on my pc however it wont even boot, intrepid at least booted and i was able to install it
[00:06] <escott> tugba_, you can try using testdisk. but without knowing how much was written its hard to say if that will be worth your time
[00:06] <aaron_samuel> you wont know what dd wrote or it's status
[00:06] <tugba_> aaron, no the data on my local hard disk windows partition
[00:07] <aaron_samuel> unless while it is running you do kill -USR1 to the pid
[00:07] <ApocGoD> Would someone be so kind as to walk me through setting up an SMTP server on Ubuntu 12.04?
[00:07] <h00k> ApocGoD: #ubuntu-server might be a good place for assistance on that
[00:07] <aaron_samuel> so thats pretty much out of question unless you have a way of doing some sort volume based diff..
[00:07] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: what type of machine are you using?  Is it an old one, or something modern?
[00:07] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: well, i would like to downgrade the kernel of intrepid to the hardy kernel version
[00:07] <tugba_> aaron, yup i will keep that in mind
[00:07] <xangua> hristoasenov: intrepid is no logner supported
[00:07] <jagginess> creature, maybe it's because a Dbus mount policy is hooking to the device..
[00:07] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: afaik you didn't delete anything
[00:07] <BarkingFish> xangua: yes, I think he's got that now :P
[00:08] <aaron_samuel> if you did sda1 as if and of was sdb1 where sdb is the external.. the only thing you may have deleted is the stuff on the external if anything was there
[00:08] <creature> jagginess: I'll look at the dbus scripting. That might well be more what I want.
[00:08] <aaron_samuel> sda1 root the thing with windows installed would be fine
[00:08] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: no, it is pretty modern, intel i7 cpu
[00:08] <aaron_samuel> but anyway,, thats not a good way of backing something up
[00:08] <jagginess> creature, that stuff is still sort of evolving.. dbus/udev/hal ..
[00:09] <min|dvir|us> Hi. I'm having big problems. I can't use apt-get without it complaining about dependency issues. Then running `apt-get -f install` results in this: https://gist.github.com/2879002, after which nothing changes and future invocations return the same thing.
[00:09] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: but it can run in 32 bit mode as well
[00:09] <jagginess> creature, so the litterature may be kind of horrible for dbus..
[00:09] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: so why are you trying to install very old versions?
[00:09] <tugba_> aaron, hmm no windows is not wroking and that part of hard disk has some kind of back up data of external hdd
[00:09] <BarkingFish> is there something very specific you need in that kernel which doesn't appear anywhere in the newer ones?
[00:09] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: you need more info - what do you want said server to do? example postfix install will ask you how you want to run the mail server, locally, internet site, etc
[00:10] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: i need to install "Click Modular Router" and in order for the package to work, it provides patches to kernel versions up to <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:10] <tugba_> ok guys thx for your help, time to install windows again i think
[00:11] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: so lets confirm some things - sda1 is your ORIGINAL windows partition? sdb1 is the EXTERNAL and expected DESTINATION of the backup? and your telling me you did if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1 ? and your also telling me sda1 was affected?
[00:11] <min|dvir|us> Anyone?
[00:11] <tugba_> aaron, yup
[00:11] <tugba_> sdb1 is the external
[00:11] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: a lot of stuff which used to require external support in older versions, is most likely supported in newer ones.  Do you have the PID/VID or USBID of the device please?
[00:11] <aaron_samuel> you may want to make sure you know what partition is what....
[00:12] <BarkingFish> you may not even need a patch in the newer versions of Ubuntu
[00:12] <tugba_> fdisk -l
[00:12] <tugba_> i used
[00:12] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: so i was hoping to downgrade to 2.6.24 generic ubuntu version (hardy), then take that config and use it to install a vanilla version from kernel.org
[00:12]  * ekv sebe uvek pozdravlja y ogledalu .... laalalalala ja volim samo sebe ... llalalala jedinog sebe...
[00:12] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: your not telling me the complete story
[00:12] <jfroebe> jagginess / h00k - looks like I can do it via the dummy interface:  http://glonek.co.uk/tips-tricks/lxc-on-ubuntu-howto-tutorial/ :)
[00:13] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: next time your unsure of things ask first before doing
[00:13] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: the device is a network interface card, on my machine its a Intel X520-SR2 NIC
[00:13] <h00k> jfroebe: Cool :)
[00:13] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: do you have an old copy of fdisk -l?
[00:13] <frame45> ? is btrfs reccomended for Ubuntu 12.04
[00:14] <tugba_> aaron, no i am telling but for sure i am not an old linux user
[00:14] <jagginess> jfroebe, is that Ubuntu inside a VM ?
[00:14] <xangua> frame45: ext4 is recomended
[00:14] <jaimef> jfs
[00:14] <tugba_> aaron, i am now running testdisk
[00:14] <aaron_samuel> why?
[00:14] <jabberwalker> BarkingFish: here is what i am talking about http://tinypic.com/r/2i7qtjm/6 and http://tinypic.com/r/5soz/6
[00:14] <frame45> @xangua thanks
[00:14] <aaron_samuel> i think you need to understand better what you did.. what is testdisk going for you?
[00:14] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: could you go into a terminal and run lspci -nn please?  What I need is the 8 digit code at the end of the message for the particular device - it looks like [xxxx:xxxx
[00:14] <BarkingFish> sorry, [xxxx:xxxx]
[00:15] <jfroebe> jagginess - in this case, yes.  but any recent distro should work there provided the lxc template is set up correctly (which can be very painful btw)
[00:15] <tugba_> i am analyzing that partition for lost structure
[00:15] <BarkingFish> I want to check the vendor and production ID please, so I can see if the device is fully supported in newer systems
[00:15] <jagginess> tugba_, testdisk doesnt fix ntfs filesystem tables, it try to guess the partition table entries by scanning 'magic numbers'.. (magic numbers as 'id's left behind on sectors on the whole drive)
[00:16] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: gotcha, looking right now
[00:16] <aaron_samuel> again - understand what you have done tugba_
[00:16] <tugba_> jagginess, so nothing is left back
[00:16] <tugba_> aaron, yup ok got it
[00:16] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: please.. listen - do you have an old print out of the fdisk -l?
[00:17] <jagginess> jfroebe, that's a little bit of a waste of time.. if its' a VM, I thought you would of tried attaching VM interfaces instead of ethX:X of the kind
[00:17] <frame45> ? is using whole drive encryption w/ alternate installer a good idea?
[00:17] <tugba_> aaron, no why?
[00:17] <aaron_samuel> this is the MAIN thing you need right now before anything else - because i think you are confused on what was what
[00:17] <aaron_samuel> which is common
[00:18] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: 8086:10fb
[00:18] <jagginess> jfroebe, also since it's a VM, you should be able to change the MAC-address much more easily..
[00:18] <jagginess> jfroebe, whether internally of the VM or outside the VM in the VM's settings..
[00:18] <tugba_> i think you are telling me about if sda1 and of sdb1 are mixed but i do remember it
[00:18] <BarkingFish> thanks hristoasenov - looking now
[00:19] <jagginess> tugba_, make it simple. dd is not for you. like i said 10 minutes ago
[00:19] <aaron_samuel> yea but dd doesn't mix its self up
[00:19] <jagginess> tugba_, you dont know the big differences between fdisk and dd
[00:19] <aaron_samuel> if sda1 was windows and sdb1 was external - NO WAY did it over write your windows...
[00:19] <aaron_samuel> sorry.
[00:19] <h00k> if=inputfilleordevice of=outputfileordevice
[00:19] <tugba_> i do i think u did not understand me
[00:19] <aaron_samuel> exactly hook
[00:19] <tugba_> i know dd is for backing up
[00:19] <jfroebe> jagginess - well, lxc containers are more akin to chroot jails than to actual virtual machines..  the os kernel is shared between the host and the lxc containers
[00:19] <aaron_samuel> so considering that - tugba_ what your saying doesn't seem possible
[00:20] <tugba_> what i asked was how dd is acting when it starts to back up to the target drive
[00:20] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: its NOT for backing up
[00:20] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: it acts like its doing a bit for bit copy
[00:20] <Aleminio> hey guys, I installed ubuntu from a usb drive, when it finished installing it gave me GRUB2 installation error, and i wasn't able to install it on any partition so i chose the "install manually" option and restarted to load windows, now when i'm looking at the partitions manager, the new partition created for ubuntu installation is completely empty, as if nothing was installed. any ideas what
[00:20] <Aleminio> could have gone wrong?
[00:20] <tugba_> the answer is deletes the tables i think
[00:20] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: NO
[00:20] <aaron_samuel> your wrong
[00:20] <jfroebe> jagginess - so it was just a matter of setting up a virtual nic - in this case with a nat'd address that I don't really care about
[00:20] <zhanger> tugba_ if you want backup you should use partimage or clonezilla or something
[00:20] <escott> Aleminio, can you please run and !paste to us "sudo parted -l"
[00:20] <tugba_> ok bit for bit copy is taking the image of it
[00:20] <tugba_> partimage
[00:20] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: somewhat.. yes
[00:20] <jagginess> tugba_, i already said, a harddrive is a linear device.. "linear".. like a ruler..
[00:21] <aaron_samuel> know its block based by default - it can take a block device partition or whole disk you were operating on partitions
[00:21] <jagginess> tugba_, dd streams things in a ruler fashion.. from a beginning point and end point.. an end point, is an end of disk or end of partition.
[00:21] <aaron_samuel> and like jagginess said disks are linear but writes/reads aren't so it's rather random what it did
[00:21] <tugba_> jagginess, that is why i can not get it back
[00:21] <jagginess> tugba_, if you dd a partition, it stops at the end of a partition, if you dd a whole drive, it ends at the end of the drive
[00:21] <aaron_samuel> so stopping it or cancelling really means nothing at all
[00:22] <Aleminio> escott, i can't since installation failed, i'm back in windows now
[00:22] <escott> Aleminio, boot the liveusb. we can't fix anything from windows
[00:22] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Sorry, was afk. I'd like to install postfix locally for use with my LAMPP server.
[00:22] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: by the looks of it, what you have there is an intel 10GB SPI/SFP Network card - it should work directly with drivers in the kernel of Ubuntu 10.04 through to the current versions
[00:22] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: so install it from repo its fairly easy choose the option local when it asks
[00:23] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ I tried setting it up via terminal but I ave no idea what to do there.
[00:23] <BarkingFish> *SFI/SFP
[00:23] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: dont over complicate it
[00:23] <jabberwalker> can someone help me with this 12.04 desktop install? here is my partition  setup http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2i7qtjm&s=6 and this is what i get when i try to install http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5soz&s=6
[00:23] <tugba_> thnx all for your help
[00:23] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: its an install and a question in a ncurses window
[00:23] <aaron_samuel> choose local
[00:23] <jagginess> np tugba_
[00:23] <aaron_samuel> done
[00:23] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ What is a repo?
[00:23] <aaron_samuel> once it is done - point your apps to localhost and the system users should automagically work
[00:24] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: thanks, but my question is will i be able to patch a kernel newer than <IP_ADDRESS>?
[00:24] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: meaning just apt-get install it,, its not any where non standard or out of band with ubuntu package management
[00:24] <aaron_samuel> repo = repository..
[00:24] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Ok, it's apt-get installed. What do I do now?
[00:25]  * aaron_samuel wonders if his keyboard works
[00:25] <pengwu> any body know about amdapp sdk opencl and llvm???
[00:25] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: if the patches are only up to <IP_ADDRESS>, then probably not - you may find you can't build the patches on a newer kernel
[00:25] <Slimy> What is the Linux mint room ?
[00:25] <BarkingFish> then again, as I say, you may not need patches
[00:25] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: please scroll up and let me know if you still have any issues
[00:25] <BarkingFish> !mint | Slimy
[00:25] <Slimy> thanks
[00:25] <pengwu> i am using amdapp sdk 2.6 i want to know i use which version of llvm
[00:25] <ApocGoD> Aaron, it's apt-get installed.
[00:25] <BarkingFish> np, Slimy
[00:26] <ApocGoD> What do I do next?
[00:26] <min|dvir|us> I'm having big problems. I can't use apt-get without it complaining about dependency issues. Then running `apt-get -f install` results in this: https://gist.github.com/2879002, after which nothing changes and future invocations return the same thing.
[00:26] <aaron_samuel> madness
[00:26] <aaron_samuel> ill brb
[00:26] <jagginess> aaron_samuel, dd isnt random .. i think you misread what i typed.. I said there's more randomness when data is stored through a filesystem driver.. there is more structure on the filesystem tables(index/superblock what they call it)<< the filesystem tables is like a database(and is less random than the data storage)-- dd on the other hand just read/writes like a stream-- in ruler fashion..
[00:26] <Corin12355> dentify killing12345
[00:26] <Corin12355> herp
[00:26] <min|dvir|us> Wow.
[00:26] <zhanger> lol
[00:26] <zhanger> lol'd
[00:26] <Corin12355> That's.
[00:26] <Corin12355> Magic
[00:26] <min|dvir|us> I'm so glad I witnessed that.
[00:27] <Corin12355> welp, it's only my IRC password
[00:27] <min|dvir|us> Sure it is.
[00:27] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: well, the patches are to modify the functionality of the actual device to not do what it was originally designed to do, so it is not something that would be included in the main current version of the kernel
[00:27] <min|dvir|us> Oh, sweet, it's also your root password.
[00:27] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: you probably just need to dpkg-reconfigure it, im absolutely sure it already presented you the screen i mentioned and you probably selected the default option if it IS indeed installed
[00:28] <BarkingFish> Corin12355: please, never ever identify in an open channel - use your connect window or identify automatically from within your client's preferences or settings
[00:28] <Corin12355> Yeah, I know
[00:28] <Corin12355> I forgot I was joining
[00:28] <Corin12355> ---
[00:28] <BarkingFish> the best way is to autoidentify, or failing that - do it before you join a channel :)
[00:28] <Corin12355> Yeah yeah...
[00:28] <BarkingFish> you might want to go change your password, like now :)
[00:28] <min|dvir|us> It's still on my screen in all its glory.
[00:29] <hristoasenov> so, i am guessing short of me trying to figure out how the patch translates to a current kernel, the only way for me would be go ahead and try and run the old kernel
[00:29] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Ok, reinstalling it now.
[00:29] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[00:29] <aaron_samuel> ugh... you really dont need to do that.
[00:29] <hristoasenov> so, that is really why i would like to downgrade to hardy heron
[00:29] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: you may be able to get an old ISO of ubuntu, but remember that we don't support it anymore, so if stuff goes wrong - you're on your own :)
[00:29] <aaron_samuel> its not windows =)
[00:29] <min|dvir|us> I'm having big problems. I can't use apt-get without it complaining about dependency issues. Then running `apt-get -f install` results in this: https://gist.github.com/2879002, after which nothing changes and future invocations return the same thing.
[00:30] <BarkingFish> Can someone enlighten me quickly - which is the last version of Ubuntu to go EOL?
[00:30] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Ok, do I want the internet configuration? I host my own website through LAMPP and I want to use it to send SMTP mail to my users.
[00:30] <BarkingFish> I know 12.04 is an LTS, 10.04 was an LTS - are the intermediates dead now?
[00:31] <zykotick9> min|dvir|us: libc6 nice... good luck.
[00:31] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: yeah, the only version i was able to get running was intrepid, however that is 8.10, one version before 8.04, the version i needed
[00:31] <aaron_samuel> zykotick9: i was thinking the same..
[00:31] <min|dvir|us> zykotick9, that's helpful.
[00:31] <aaron_samuel> min|dvir|us: what is your OS and how come you installed the lenny kernel?
[00:31] <BarkingFish> what happened when you tried to install 8.04?
[00:31] <min|dvir|us> aaron_samuel, Ubuntu 11.10 on a VPS.
[00:31] <aaron_samuel> there was an error running a subprocess in that install process and it's stuck
[00:31] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: so, if it possible, i would like to downgrade the kernel only, keeping everything else intrepid
[00:32] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: it dropped me to busy box
[00:32] <zykotick9> min|dvir|us: are you mixing ubuntu and debian?  why does it mention lenny?
[00:32] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: I don't think that's possible.
[00:32] <min|dvir|us> zykotick9, I am not.
[00:32] <min|dvir|us> I actually don't believe I have a package for a kernel installed.
[00:32] <min|dvir|us> I think it came with the system.
[00:32] <BarkingFish> you might want to seek others advice on this, I'm very uneducated on kernels and stuff, I just use what came with it
[00:32] <min|dvir|us> Probably some custom shit.
[00:32] <aaron_samuel> min|dvir|us:   apt-get install -t lenny linux-image-2.6
[00:32] <BarkingFish> min|dvir|us: mind the language please :)
[00:33] <motherbrain> I have to ask what is the difference in ubuntus kernels to the regular linux opensource kernels you can get on kernel.org site is there much difference in the code and if so is ubuntus kernels opensource as well
[00:33] <aaron_samuel> thats in your postie
[00:33] <zykotick9> min|dvir|us: what kernel version?  "uname -r"
[00:33] <min|dvir|us> zykotick9, 2.6.18-308.el5.028stab099.3
[00:33] <zykotick9> min|dvir|us: WARNING: this version of the GNU libc requires kernel version
[00:33] <aaron_samuel> umm thats not an ubuntu kernel
[00:33] <zykotick9> 2.6.24 or later
[00:33] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: okay thanks for the help, i appreciate it
[00:33] <min|dvir|us> zykotick9, is it possible to downgrade libc6?
[00:33] <BarkingFish> you're welcome
[00:34] <zykotick9> min|dvir|us: i wouldn't know the details.  but my gut says "no way".
[00:34] <aaron_samuel> thats an interesting kernel line for an 'ubuntu' system - i thought el was for redhat and it's family
[00:34] <ApocGoD> Aaron_samuel, it's reconfigured. What should I do next?
[00:35] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: its not configured to send mail to your domain - you need to read up on postfix thats way out of scope
[00:35] <ApocGoD> I think it's done correctly.
[00:35] <aaron_samuel> its not hard at all though
[00:35] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: its a generic configuration
[00:35] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: question your users are on a domain?
[00:35] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Ok. What would you suggest getting to do that?
[00:35] <aaron_samuel> a man page and some time
[00:36] <motherbrain> does anybody know the difference between ubuntus kernel and the regular linux kernels versions from kernel.org...is ubuntu just built by taking the linux kernel and gnu programs and making a distro/iso of them... or does ubuntu actually customize the linux kernel thus making it into a different kernel somewhat ... anybody know and if they modify the kernel is this modification open sources
[00:36] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ I own pepperaddicts.com, they travel to that to get to the site.
[00:36] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: that domain doesn't have an mx record...
[00:36] <aaron_samuel> it wont send mail without one
[00:37] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Oh. How do I get one?
[00:37] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: work with your DNS provider
[00:37] <aaron_samuel> Register.com
[00:38] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Ok, I use Register.com already.
[00:38] <aaron_samuel> i know...
[00:38] <ApocGoD> Ok
[00:38] <cinix1618> I am running my laptop on Ubuntu 12.04 on my Thinkpad Z60m. It has a radeon mobile x600 with the radeon driver installed. I am trying to hook a projector up to my VGA port and it must not have EDID data because it's comming back with a ton of errors like, "invalid checksum on EDID". There's no xorg.conf to add options, but I attempted to use a skeleton xorg and the only option I added was "ignoreedid" "on". This didn't help, can anyo
[00:38] <cinix1618> ne give me a hint on something else to try?
[00:38] <BarkingFish> right guys, I'm out for the night. Been fun, catch you later.
[00:39] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: once you setup the MX it should be working fine - by default most MTA's break the mail address in to into tokens of which the domain is taken and a mx record is asked for and mail is sent to the record(s) returned
[00:39] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: now that is for _sending_ not receiving...
[00:40] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Ok, thanks.
[00:40] <escott> motherbrain, yes they patch it. almost all the major distros patch their kernels in some way
[00:41] <Halfcrazy> #k7iq
[00:41] <aaron_samuel> sure.
[00:42] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Contacting Register.com now about how to set up an MX.
[00:42] <aleminio> hey guys, i need a little help installing grub2 after it manually failed, i'm on livecd now .
[00:43] <aaron_samuel> great - fyi they most likely give you a portal (website) that you can do it self-service with if they are any type of good hosting service
[00:43] <aleminio> after it failed while installing* now trying to install manually
[00:43] <zhanger> aleminio: see man grub-install
[00:43] <aleminio> tried that
[00:43] <ApocGoD> Mkay
[00:44] <EDawg878> After doing sudo apt-get upgrade it seems somthing is wrong with my nvidia driver when I type: glxinfo | grep direct i get:   direct rendering: No
[00:44] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: alternatively - im surprised i didn't think of this before - you can use google apps to host your domains mail also... but i wont get into that - it's easy to do - and ironically enough you can google it
[00:44] <zhanger> aleminio: make sure you specify --root-directory correctly and use the device name w/o a number to install to MBR
[00:44] <aaron_samuel> thats good for send and receive
[00:44] <motherbrain> patching it means what modifying the code in alot of places or some type of services pack thing and if modified is that source open source of that kernel patch?
[00:45] <escott> aleminio, what is the output of "sudo parted -l"
[00:45] <aaron_samuel> then you can just run a forwarder on the application box that shoots mail out to gmail using your domain account to whatver users
[00:45] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ I'll hceck that out
[00:45] <motherbrain> ON a totally different note I have in the passed forwarded email address, call forwarding for phones ,...etc but I am wondering thru a gmail , yahoo or any other IM / text message service is there away to forward you IM conversation in real time as well as forward textmessages automatically
[00:45] <motherbrain> I know in theory this could be done by saving IM conversations and emailing them over / forwarding them via email... As well as people could in theory write there own provided they had the functions to retrive an email conversation and open a socket to the next email/im account with the correct protocal in places
[00:46] <aleminio> escott, many different partitions, one for the swap and the new one created for the installation with a file-system ext3
[00:46] <aleminio> no flags
[00:46] <motherbrain> though I don't know if they allow this yet because of a privacy issue yet
[00:46] <rage_311> I'm having issues with trying to set up a 12.04 LTSP client from a 10.04.3 server.  Currently getting "Could not find kernel image: vmlinuz".  Can anybody offer some direction?
[00:46] <escott> !paste | aleminio
[00:48] <Erealz> snort ,and tripwire are ids are there any more for linux and what would the pro use on client systems?
[00:50]  * Erealz snort ,and tripwire are ids are there any more for linux and what would the pro use on client systems?
[00:53] <aleminio_> sry had to register, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026036/plain/
[00:54] <Qasaur> Is it possible to set up full disk encryption on an already installed ubuntu installation or do I have to reformat everything?
[00:54] <ex0a> I did a minimal disk install from usb since my dvd drive cant be booted, only loaded after due to bios and raid. Can i 9nterrupt the long part of package download and the do the rest from cd?
[00:55] <ex0a> Or does it not install the base system before downloading the desktop?
[00:56] <Haji> Exoa, i don't play it before, but maybe possible
[00:56] <KRomo> i need major help with a slow boot up anyone ave time to look ata pastebin?
[00:57] <KRomo> http://pastebin.com/dUJJpnE8    <--- please help me fix my slow boot
[00:58] <ex0a> I'm going to try it.. worst case is a 5 min reinstall
[00:58] <Haji> Ex0a, that was not a much time..
[00:59] <negroarg> olaa
[00:59] <negroarg> olaaaaaaaaaa
[00:59] <ex0a> 5 mins minimal install download
[01:00] <negroarg> alguien me da una mano
[01:00] <ex0a> 2 hours full desktop download
[01:00] <MonkeyDust> !es
[01:00] <Haji> Ex0a, oh :d
[01:00] <KRomo> anyone able to look a the paste bin?  id greatly appreciate guidance
[01:01] <ex0a> that's why I want to add the cd as a repo
[01:01] <sacarlson> KRomo: does it boot slow more than one time?
[01:01] <negroarg> alguien me da una mano
[01:01] <negroarg> ty
[01:01] <KRomo> yes
[01:01] <KRomo> every time
[01:01] <KRomo> once im booted im golden
[01:01] <KRomo> it sits on a blabk purple screen
[01:03] <sacarlson> KRomo: lets take a look at the file /etc/fstab  pastebinit
[01:03] <SetiAmon> hey anyone here know why in gnome when i open firefox it switches to my secondary monitor always?
[01:04] <KRomo> fstab: http://pastebin.com/aRBGfYuF sacarlson
[01:06] <KRomo> i added noatime,nodiratime,discard,
[01:06] <KRomo> i read that it was best for ssd
[01:06] <sacarlson> KRomo: what's the output of  blkid ?
[01:06] <escott> Qasaur, reinstall
[01:06] <Qasaur> hmok
[01:06] <Qasaur> hm ok*
[01:06] <cheako> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1007089/comments/40  Can any one running the latest upstream/mainlike kernel test this out and report?
[01:06] <KRomo> sacarlson, how do i see that?
[01:07] <KRomo> im a bit newbish
[01:07] <sacarlson> KRomo: type  blkid at the term
[01:07] <cheako> s/mainlike/mainline/
[01:07] <KRomo> let me pastebin
[01:08] <KRomo> http://pastebin.com/0qepiiE5
[01:09] <KRomo> idk what sda5 is
[01:09] <KRomo> i only have 2 hd, a sata ssd and a sata hdd
[01:09] <KRomo> sdb1 is the hdd and sda1 is the ssd
[01:10] <KRomo> or is sda5 the ram?
[01:10] <ClientAlive> does anyone know how to set a nameserver in ubuntu 12.04 server 64 bit? /etc/resolv.conf says right in it "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND - YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN"
[01:10] <sacarlson> KRomo: I'm not sure, I don't see anything wrong, maybe it's a power up thing takes time for some device to start?
[01:11] <KRomo> i get this over and over again on the bootlog: udevd[404]: timeout: killing 'udisks-probe-ata-smart /dev/sda' [780]
[01:11] <KRomo> is that ok?
[01:11] <cheako> KRomo: The naming convention is hdXY where X is the 'drive letter' and Y is the partition number.
[01:12] <cheako> KRomo: hdX is just a raw drive starting at the MBR.
[01:12] <cheako> KRomo: ... sdXY is the same ;)
[01:12] <cheako> Sorry for going old school there.
[01:12] <KRomo> oh
[01:12] <KRomo> so, sd5 is my secondary storage drive
[01:12] <KRomo> do i want the swap on that?
[01:12] <KRomo> or should i not have a swap?
[01:13] <cheako> KRomo: sd5 dosn't exist, it's not a valid drive/partition name.
[01:13] <question_> Hello everone
[01:13] <KRomo> sorry sda5
[01:13] <cheako> sda5 is the fifth partition on the first drive.
[01:13] <KRomo> oh
[01:13] <SetiAmon> anyone have a issue with 12.04 randomly freezing requiring a cold boot?
[01:14] <KRomo> i have 8gb ram, should i have a swap partition?
[01:14] <sacarlson> KRomo: looks like this kernel bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/910999
[01:14] <question_> I need some help for screen, interested in helping ? :)
[01:14] <sacarlson> KRomo: try another version of kernel
[01:15] <KRomo> like 3.4?
[01:15] <cheako> KRomo: That's a good question.  http://lnkd.in/nMkUb9
[01:15] <sacarlson> KRomo: looks like a new problem so maybe go back to an older kernel
[01:16] <KRomo>  0 M used swap
[01:16] <cheako> KRomo: I'm staying with the old rules, your swap should be twice the size of your ram...  if that eats too much drive space then you have too much ram.
[01:16] <reisio> that isn't an old rule, it's an ancient rule
[01:17] <KRomo> i think im too newby to downgrade the kernel...any guidance?
[01:17] <reisio> KRomo: seppuku
[01:17] <cheako> reisio: There aren't any rules that replace or superseded it :)
[01:17] <sacarlson> KRomo: installing a kernel is much the same as install any other package
[01:17] <reisio> cheako: sure there is: no more than equal to RAM
[01:17] <rhombsdoc> if i disable to start the lightdm loginmanager, while having my /home crypted, can i still login afterwards from console and start x manually with "startx"?
[01:17] <reisio> this rule dates back to the days of 2GB boxes
[01:18] <reisio> new dirt cheap boxes come with 3 & 4GB now
[01:18] <h00k> Kornkage4: you can pick a previous kernels you already have installed by holding left-shift when you boot, will get you to the GRUB2 menu, and you can select 'older versions' or something like that from there
[01:18] <rhombsdoc> or does lightdm start the encryption?
[01:18] <cheako> reisio: First I've heard of this rule, though I'm sure it's a popular choice.
[01:18] <h00k> KRomo: my above message was for you, apologies to Kornkage4
[01:19] <OY1R> 3-4 10 or 20Gb of RAM can be great, BUT if the OS utilizing the memory sucks it does not matter it seems.
[01:19] <reisio> swap equal to ram can be useful for hibernation
[01:19] <cheako> reisio: I think we may need you to join into the discussion about how much swap to use.
[01:19] <reisio> outside of that, with modern amount of RAM, you might not even need it, strictly
[01:19] <reisio> though it's always useful
[01:19] <reisio> I thought I had :p
[01:19] <cheako> reisio: haha, not if your swap is not empty when you want to hibernate :P
[01:20] <reisio> I don't believe that is an issue
[01:20] <cheako> ...Though I'm sure in most cases that will work just fine as cache wouldn't get swapped out.
[01:20] <sacarlson> KRomo: a swap drive is optional in your case it might be used to go from hybernate or standby to powerup.
[01:20] <question_> ok, if I'm using screen, and separating two screens then its mirroring all, an ctrl-a + shift-n doesnt work
[01:20] <KRomo> so,  does everone tink a kernel downgrade will help me or not likely?
[01:21] <klakin> Hey guys. Do accesses to google.com suddenly redirect to google.com.hk? I've verified tha tthis happens on my two Kubuntu 12.04 machines, but not on my Gentoo Linux machine, and not on my Windows machine. They all are operating on the same LAN.
[01:21] <ClientAlive> god this networking thing with kvm is a friggin' nightmare! Even if I revert to the original /etc/network/interfaces file br0 still shows up after when I do a ifconfig. And vice versa if I configure for bridged networking (the default virb0 still shows up. Als I want is for two things to work right - bridged networking and a shared storage space with nfs.
[01:21] <reisio> klakin: are you in HK?
[01:21] <cheako> reisio: Swap in use will count against the amount of memory that can be paged for hibernation.  It can be an issue, though I can see it only being an issue in rare cases.
[01:21] <ClientAlive> untold hell I've gone through with this and still...
[01:21] <sacarlson> KRomo: did it have that problem when you booted from the cd or usb?
[01:21] <klakin> reisio, I am not. In San francisco
[01:22] <reisio> cheako: incredibly rare would be my guess
[01:22] <KRomo> no it didnt
[01:23] <cheako> reisio: The pool on the page I posted suggest about 20%, I don't consider that incredibly rare.  Should some percentage of ppl who posted wouldn't be using 1xram for there swap size so that's why we arn't seeing reports all the time.
[01:24] <garodimb> can anyone please help me to install wvdial?
[01:24] <cheako> s/Should/Sure/
[01:24] <garodimb> can anyone please help me to install wvdial?
[01:24] <garodimb> can anyone please help me to install wvdial?
[01:24] <garodimb> can anyone please help me to install wvdial?
[01:24] <FloodBot1> garodimb: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:25] <Blackshirt> Garodimb, are you connected to internet on ?
[01:25] <garodimb> yes
[01:25] <cheako> That pool suggests that if every one folloed ther 1xram rule and hibernated there would be a non-trivial number of bug reports.
[01:26] <cheako> Thus I think the 1xram rule to allow for hibernation is flat out wrong to propagate to a large number of users....  It's vary likely to cause headaches later on.
[01:26] <sacarlson> KRomo: well then maybe the kernel version used in the cd/usb boot would be better
[01:26] <garodimb> when i run sudo apt-get install wvdial then it gave me error that it requires 12.o4 ubuntu dvd
[01:27] <sacarlson> KRomo: the cd boot linux version is many times an older version than what then end up installing
[01:27] <cheako> Out of 286 you gave that advice to, about 30 of them would at some point in the first few week, I'd guess, would experience an issue.
[01:28] <sacarlson> KRomo: boot one of your cd/usb and do the command uname -a ;  to find out
[01:28] <kerrick> Am I connected?
[01:29] <h00k> kerrick: you appear to be
[01:29] <kerrick> Huzzah! I'm trying out IRSSI for the first time. Not used to CLI apps.
[01:29] <h00k> KerrickLong: apparent success :)
[01:29] <KerrickLong> Since I discovered GNU Screen, I decided to give CLI apps another try. :-)
[01:30] <ClientAlive> guess I'm on my own...
[01:30] <Eclife> Need some help --> touchpad and keyboard frozen in lightdm
[01:30] <jmacgowan> irssi is fun (:
[01:30] <jmacgowan> It
[01:30] <bt-Crash> What is CLI Commands or Apps? Thanks!
[01:30] <KerrickLong> bt-Crash, CLI means Command Line Interface. Apps are applications, or programs.
[01:30] <jmacgowan> It's even not too bad with connectbot which I thought would be terrible
[01:30] <sacarlson> KRomo: you can also look in synaptic search for linux-image to see what versions of linux are available to install
[01:30] <question_> I want to use screen too T.T but its mirroring all when using separate screens
[01:31] <bt-Crash> Great Keeriklong!!!!
[01:31] <KerrickLong> question_ That confused me too. You have to hit Ctrl+A then c to create a new non-mirrored screen.
[01:31] <bt-Crash> already apps for chat with terminal on linux?
[01:31] <question_> I did
[01:31] <KerrickLong> bt-Crash Yes, the app I'm using to chat on IRC is irssi.
[01:32] <question_> so I've two separate screens mirrorinf
[01:32] <xangua1> !info finch | bt-Crash
[01:32] <KerrickLong> Finch is the most amazing example of a command line application I've ever seen.
[01:32] <KRomo> there are lots of linux-image kernels
[01:33] <bt-Crash> Kerriklong IRSSI have web page?... or i can install with command in backtrack?
[01:33] <XiRoN> Hey guys I have an SSH server and an FTP server
[01:33] <Eclife> Need some help --> touchpad and keyboard is frozen in lightdm
[01:33] <KerrickLong> I don't know if IRSSI has a website, but they're in the ubuntu repositories as "irssi"
[01:33] <cprofitt> XiRoN: what do you need help with?
[01:34] <bt-Crash> Thanks!!!!!
[01:34] <XiRoN> I want to transfer, files from my FTP server to my SSH server, is there ay way of doing it without downloading the files to my computer first?
[01:34] <cprofitt> XiRoN: I assume you can log on to your FTP server?
[01:34] <Demosthenes> so i have a lucid server, i'm trying to use the BIOS serial over LAN support, but I must disable ALL the font/mode setting... grub's console setting isn't enough. suggestions?
[01:34] <XiRoN> cprofitt: Yes.
[01:34] <bt-Crash> sorry for my bad english guys, i am from Argentina, and is very necesary write and talk english =D
[01:35] <KerrickLong> You're doing pretty well, bt-Crash! :-)
[01:35] <Eclife> Anyone out there have some time to help with a problem?
[01:35] <cprofitt> XiRoN: you should be able to use this document to complete your task
[01:35] <KerrickLong> Eclife I have the time, but probably not the knowledge.
[01:35] <cprofitt> XiRoN: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles
[01:36] <sacarlson> XiRoN: you could setup an ntfs mount so the files are available for the ssh or ftp but I'm not sure that would be a good idea
[01:36] <XiRoN> Thanks bob
[01:36] <sacarlson> nfs
[01:36] <XiRoN> cprofitt: Limitation: You can't move files between two remote computers. Either the source or destination must be a local file. However, if you log in to a remote machine with ssh, you can copy files between two remote machines on that machine's command-line.
[01:36] <cheako> does any one here run the KernelMainlineBuilds?  ^^^
[01:37] <cprofitt> XiRoN: once you are logged in to your FTP server you should be able to initiate the scp transfer from it
[01:37] <cprofitt> XiRoN: exactly
[01:37] <cprofitt> XiRoN: you can also do entire folders
[01:38] <cprofitt> XiRoN: scp -r (recursive) username@server:(remote location) (local location)
[01:38] <Eclife> Need help --> touchpad and keyboard frozen in lightdm
[01:38] <cheako> Is there any one willing to confirm this bug?
[01:38] <XiRoN> cprofitt: I'm using a GUI :(
[01:38] <rage_311> anyone an LTSP pro?... having troubles trying to boot/build 12.04 clients from a 10.04 server.
[01:38] <ProstheticS> hey guys, is there an issue if im running a filesystem directly on a disk, IE, no partition, looking in palimpsest, i have one of my disks where the filesystem is /dev/sdd instead of /dev/sdd1 , i dont plan on ever parititioning the disk
[01:38] <ProstheticS> or booting from it
[01:38] <question_> Need help, programm screen is mirroring all
[01:38] <cprofitt> XiRoN: do you have a GUI on your FTP server?
[01:39] <cheako> I wrote a small shell script that tests for a kernel bug I found.  If you are able to verify for your self that the code is safe and not a trojan I'd like one or two others to give it a go.
[01:39] <XiRoN> cprofitt: No
[01:39] <cprofitt> XiRoN: I would use the command line then
[01:39] <ProstheticS> just want to know if its fine that i have it that way, or if i need to correct it?
[01:39] <cprofitt> XiRoN: unless your GUI will give you a command line
[01:39] <jiffe1> there an easy way to make mass edits like adding ssl certs, loopback ips and service config changes to a large number of similarly configured machines?
[01:40] <cheako> http://pastebin.com/LSvvpVJC
[01:40] <theseb> anyone backing up to ubuntu one?
[01:40] <theseb> deja dup doesn't work so wondered what you used
[01:40] <question_> XiRoN: log on ssh server, go to the place, where you want to dump your data from ftp-server make wget -r -np ftp://xyz.de/path -o user=xyz password=xyz
[01:41] <Eclife> Anyone out there have some time to help with a problem?
[01:41] <sacarlson> jiffe1: you could write a script to do all the changes over ssh
[01:41] <asmom> Is it normal that i'm waiting 215 minutes for ubuntu to load for the first time after the installation? the dots are moving but i'm afraid something went wrong
[01:41] <asmom> 15 minutes*
[01:41] <jagginess> Eclife, you mean like what's the meaning of life?
[01:41] <xangua1> asmom: it's not
[01:41] <cprofitt> asmom: that is not normal -- what video card?
[01:41] <jagginess> Eclife, btw fyi, the meaning of life is 42.
[01:42] <question_> asnom: no, normally it shoul start under a minute
[01:42] <asmom> onboard video card. i guess i'll try to reload
[01:42] <Eclife> jagginess, already new the meaning of life. Now I have harder problems to solve
[01:42] <cprofitt> 42 is the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything
[01:42] <theseb> Eclife: don't tap dance around your question for 15 minutes...just ask it
[01:42] <Eclife> jagginess, wanna take a stab at it?
[01:43] <question_> asnom: ^^ go for it.
[01:43] <Eclife> touchpad and keyboard are frozen once in lightdm
[01:43] <jagginess> Eclife, stab? that's kinda cruel i'm afraid. maybe one of can take a jab though
[01:43] <piecemkr> hello everyone
[01:43] <jagginess> Eclife, once in lightdm? that's the logon screen
[01:44] <jagginess> Eclife, you mean logon screen or "logging on"
[01:44] <jagginess> (logging on, as you typed your password<enter>)
[01:44] <question_> piecemkr: hello, do you know screen?
[01:45] <jagginess> Eclife, btw, very few people know what lightdm is (it was implemente 11.10+ and up)
[01:45] <Eclife> Jagginess, yes. Once I am in the login screen. I have tried auto login as well with the same result
[01:45] <jagginess> Eclife, what about plain-text logon?
[01:45] <Eclife> jagginess, dunno? how do you do that?
[01:46] <jagginess> Eclife, did you try to ssh, and "stop lightdm"? (then try logging on plaintext?)
[01:46] <sacarlson> XiRoN: with nfs mounted file system the files would always be synced as they come from the same location http://www.ubuntugeek.com/nfs-server-and-client-configuration-in-ubuntu.html
[01:46] <jagginess> Eclife, if you can logon plaintext then somewhere there's a problem with X
[01:46] <jagginess> (when i mean plaintext, i mean non-ssh way)
[01:46] <Eclife> Jagginess, I am not an expert. How would you login with plain text?
[01:47] <jagginess> Eclife, well you can't ?(or can you).. if ctl-alt-f1 doesnt work, then try ssh to stop lightdm
[01:47] <question_> is here someone with experience with "screen"?
[01:47] <jagginess> Eclife, stopping lightdm may free the keyboard
[01:47] <OerHeks> jagginess, then SSH service should be enabled first.
[01:48] <jagginess> question_, screen the multiplexer?
[01:48] <question_> yeah
[01:48] <Eclife> Jagginess, give me a minute to try
[01:48] <jagginess> Eclife, i blieve ssh is a default service (likely installed if not, then you'll need to boot into runlevel1 )
[01:49] <jagginess> question_, i always use 'screen -RR' for re-attachment
[01:49] <jagginess> question_, and "    ctl-a ?  "  to list shortcuts
[01:49] <question_> jagginess: the multiplexer-programm, I separated two screens, but theyre mirroring all also after initialising a new session and pressing ctrl-a ctrl-n
[01:50] <jagginess> question_, ctl-a ?  "
[01:50] <jagginess> question_, "  ctl-a ?  " gives descriptions of other things too..
[01:50] <question_> jagginess: ctrl-a says "no other window"
[01:50] <Eclife> Jagginess, ctrl-alt-f1 does not work
[01:50] <jagginess> question_, you type "ctl-a" then you type "?"  (dont type the quotes)
[01:51] <pilotbub> hey guys whats the timeframe on delirious dungbeetle
[01:51] <question_> jagginess: ctrl-c for new session
[01:51] <jagginess> question_, pm me..
[01:51] <question_> jagginess: pm? I'm doing irc in chrome ...
[01:51] <sirriffsalot> I just copied my entire home folder from another partition to local /home/ via terminal and now when I login I'm immediately prompted back to login screen, haha! What's going on?!
[01:51] <jagginess> question_, you let go of all the keys after you do "ctl-a"  --- once you let go of all those two keys then you hit a character key
[01:52] <jagginess> question_, it's "ctl-a" (then let go of everything), then tap the "n" key, to go to next terminal.. -- personally it's easier to use "ctl-a <spacebar>" to cycle through terminals
[01:53] <jagginess> question_, so for new session, it's "ctl-a" then let go of all keys, then tap the "c" key
[01:53] <question_> jagginess: this works so I've a new session
[01:54] <XiRoN> I want to transfer a whole folder from and external FTP server to my SSH server using only 1 SSH command.
[01:54] <question_> jagginess: but if I'm typing something it'll be mirrored in the other separation
[01:54] <doc969> hi i'm having trouble installing java. Can anyone help?
[01:54] <Eclife> Need Help --> touchpad and keyboard frozen in login screen
[01:55] <jagginess> question_, no.. it means you've cycled to the same terminal
[01:55] <bazhang> !java | doc969 have a read
[01:55] <jagginess> question_, you cycle using "ctl-a" "space"
[01:56] <derek__> Anyone had a successful web-upgrade from 11.10  to 12.04?
[01:56] <doc969> so, ubottu, with one of the 3 runtime environments java will work?
[01:56] <jagginess> question_, "?" is a literal..it's like this-> type "ctl-a" then type "?" (hold the shift key down to get to the ?-- get the literal)
[01:56] <pilotbub> im trying to downgrade to delirious dungbeetle with little success
[01:57] <bazhang> doc969, did you read the link?
[01:57] <Eclife> Anyone out there have some time to help with a problem
[01:57] <bazhang> pilotbub, stop it now
[01:57] <jagginess> Eclife, do you know how to edit the grub bootline dynamically?
[01:57] <jagginess> Eclife, that's one way to get into rescue
[01:57] <bazhang> derek__, whats the real question
[01:57] <jagginess> Eclife, the grub menu says you can hit 'e'..
[01:57] <Eclife> jagginess, no I don't
[01:58] <question_> jagginess: thanks
[01:58] <sacarlson> XiRoN: scp -r user@<IP_ADDRESS>:/home/remote_user/Desktop/files /home/me/Desktop/.
[01:58] <derek__> bazhang, I was just wondering if I should attempt a web update or wait till I'm done with school and do a fresh install
[01:58] <arejay> can anyone tell me why this isnt workin in fstab UUID=72D3AF913D705491 /media/ntfs ntfs-3g rw,auto, uid=1000, umask=0027, nls=utf8 0 0
[01:58] <arejay> mount: can't find /media/ntfs in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[01:58] <jagginess> Eclife, well before hitting "enter" on the grub menu, hit 'e', then add " 1" (without quotes at the end of the "kernel XXXX XXXX XX quiet ") to the kernel bootline, after that hit F10 to boot
[01:58] <arejay> the uuid is correct
[01:59] <bazhang> derek__, updating online works fine. your choice.
[01:59] <Sabrina> h
[01:59] <Sabrina> hola
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> arejay:  you did make the /media/ntfs directory first?
[01:59] <bazhang> arejay, confirm it with sudo blkid
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> arejay:  the ntfs-3g homepage has examples also
[01:59] <Sabrina> alguien tiene un video converter
[01:59] <jagginess> Eclife, then you can work in terminal after typing in the root password.. this will be plaintext
[01:59] <arejay> bazhang: yes i used blkid to get the uuid
[01:59] <bazhang> !es | Sabrina
[01:59] <arejay> Dr_Willis: yes the dir exist
[01:59] <bazhang> Sabrina, handbrake to convert videos
[01:59] <arejay> rj@cube:~$ ls -al /media/ntfs
[01:59] <arejay> total 8
[02:00] <bazhang> !handbrake | Sabrina
[02:00] <jagginess> arejay, blkid<enter> should show if you have that UUID for ntfs.
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> arista is also nice for video covnersions.
[02:00] <derek__> bazhang, thanks
[02:00] <jagginess> arejay, or ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> !info arista
[02:00] <Sabrina> como cambiar canal
[02:00] <zykotick9> nice !handbrake factoid?  bazhang thanks.
[02:00] <arejay> dev/sdb1: UUID="72D3AF913D705491" TYPE="ntfs"
[02:00] <Eclife> jagginess, I don't know if this makes a difference, but Ubuntu loads perfectly once every third try
[02:00] <bazhang> Sabrina, /join #ubuntu-es
[02:01] <bazhang> zykotick9, better to get it from jstebbins PPA though, thats what the handbrake themselves recommend
[02:01] <bazhang> +developers
[02:02] <unknown-01903254> hi
[02:02] <piecemkr> hi
[02:02] <unknown-01903254> will avidemux and vlc performs better if i switch from a 32bit os to a 64bit one?
[02:02] <bazhang> unknown-01903254, not really no
[02:03] <Dr_Willis> unknown-01903254:  id saw  a little  time mightbe saved in transcoding.  but it may not be noticeable.
[02:03] <pilotbub> bazhang so no timeframe
[02:03] <bazhang> unknown-01903254, looks like you re running debian, but not much for ubuntu either
[02:03] <datruth> Is there an error in grub where it detects non-bootable drives and adds them to the list?
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> dependiong on how optmized the encoder apps are.  VLC. wont really notice much differanace unless youa re doing some fancy things
[02:04] <bazhang> pilotbub, chit chat/nonsense is not here: #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[02:04] <pilotbub> ANTISEMITISM
[02:04] <unknown-01903254> bazhang: the problem is: i 've just understand that my pc (an *amd* ) is 64bit. I always used it with 32bit os ... but 64bit os version usually use a kernel named *amd64* o.O what will be the best choice?
[02:04] <arejay> whats the name of the built in data backup tool
[02:05] <h00k> arejay: deja dup
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> unknown-01903254:  if the systgem is 32bit now. not worth changeing. but next time - you may wan tto go 64bit
[02:05] <arejay> thanks h00k
[02:05] <Eclife> jagginess, I don't know if this helps, but Ubuntu starts up fine every third try
[02:05] <xangua1> unknown-01903254: amd64 it's just a generic name for 64bit
[02:05] <zykotick9> unknown-01903254: if you have less then 4GB ram don't bother with 64bit.  if you have more, use 64bit for sure.
[02:05] <unknown-01903254> xangua1: yes, i know. but my pc is *also* an amd
[02:06] <question_> jagginess: its mirroring every char in the other screen
[02:06] <unknown-01903254> zykotick9: also if my processor is *amd* ?
[02:06] <datruth> Also how can I customize my grub menu?
[02:06] <cheako> http://pastebin.com/LSvvpVJC I wrote a small shell script that tests for a kernel bug I found in overlayfs.  If you are able to verify for your self that the code is safe and not a trojan I'd like one or two others to give it a go.
[02:06]  * zykotick9 runs 64bit on his eeepc with 1gb ram... do as i say, not as i do
[02:06] <Sabrina> who know a video converter deb. 3gp and mp4 you have is for my phone
[02:06] <h00k> !grub2 | datruth
[02:07] <bazhang> Sabrina, I told you.  handbrake
[02:07]  * zykotick9 runs i686 on his htpc/gaming system
[02:08] <cheako> bazhang: The few times I used handbrake it was a great converter...  However the output never loaded on my device even though it was in the correct format.
[02:08] <sgtsaughter> anyone know of a solution for very slow wireless internet running ubuntu 12.04?  I just installed it on my desktop and I've noticed a decrease in speed that has been going on for over a week.  Seedtest says im getting something like a 1mb/s upload speed I have ruled out that it is my router
[02:08] <xster> need some hints setting up surround sound on 12.04 plz
[02:08] <zykotick9> cheako: handbrake - both cli and gtk - are amazing IMO
[02:08] <smcguinness> I'm attempting to download the windows installer for the latest Ubuntu but I'm getting a redirect to the download page...can anyone confirm?
[02:09] <unknown-01903254> Dr_Willis: the problem is that some people say that 64 bit has LESS efficent use of the memory . Is that real? why?
[02:09] <xster> I have machine with intel alc892 integrated sound an an nvidia gt 520m with hdmi
[02:09] <sacarlson> sgtsaughter: mtu size problem maybe?
[02:09] <cheako> zykotick9: I agree.  However my devices are so unamazing that I needed another solution.
[02:09] <xster> pulse audio's daemon.conf is set to 6 channels
[02:10] <xster> in the settings I have HDMI and digital surround 5.1
[02:10] <zykotick9> unknown-01903254: it's not "less" efficient!  it's just that addressing more memory means more overhead - so in 32bit terms "yes it uses more memory", but in "64 bit terms" it doesn't.  it's kinda an apple/orange comarison of 32/64 bit.
[02:10] <xster> but no sounds come out besides front left and right
[02:10] <sacarlson> sgtsaughter: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-change-mtu-maximum-transmission-unit-of-network-interface-in-ubuntu-linux.html
[02:10] <cheako> xster: HDMI can only do Stereo PCM, sorry.
[02:10] <xster> nothing's muted on alsamixer
[02:11] <Eclife> Anyone have the time to help with a problem?
[02:11] <xster> how come in pavucontrol etc I can see all the channels?
[02:11] <zykotick9> unknown-01903254: with less then 4gb - unless your encoding, 64bit will be a detrement instead of a benefit.
[02:11] <xster> i'm guessing it's not something inherent of hdmi as a cable/protocol
[02:11]  * zykotick9 notes there are other 64bit special cases...
[02:11] <xster> is it an ubuntu limitation?
[02:11] <cheako> xster: If your thinking to yourself that the HDMP audio standared is just about useless...  I also agree.  However it will 'activate' the two built in speakers of any TV set... that's somethiong at least.
[02:12] <unknown-01903254> zykotick9: so if the main use of that pc is avidemux (encoding)  64bit could be better?
[02:12] <bazhang> Eclife, just ask, if someone knows, they will answer
[02:12] <zykotick9> unknown-01903254: if avidemux can use 64bit, then most likely!
[02:12] <zykotick9> unknown-01903254: some computation is faster...
[02:12] <cheako> xster: no it's not.  If you have HDMI from your Blu-Ray to your 7.1 sorround theater system... your noty getting your moneys wourth.
[02:13] <Eclife> Need Help --> touchpad and keyboard is frozen in login screen
[02:13] <question_> jagginess: Thank you :) I'm leaving
[02:13] <xster> so you're saying if I switched to optical out, I can get 5.1 from ubuntu?
 thanks im looking into it
[02:13] <Sabrina> you can help me? that I do not know English, only Spanish, using google translator, and I can not copy what you speak, and I need a video converter that has 3gp, mp4, flv, F4V and more, what you will speak, translates it into espeñol, and what I'm going to say, translates it into English, thanks
[02:13] <carmelo> hellon
[02:13] <zykotick9> unknown-01903254: get more ram ;)
[02:13] <sgtsaughter> yeah i dont know how to shout out ppl on this thing
[02:13] <carmelo> hello8
[02:13] <cheako> xster: With a little help from something NOT shipped in Ubuntu, yes.
[02:13] <no-name-> how do I access my protected/encrypted files from another drive on Ubuntu 12.04?
[02:13] <cheako> xster: This is the setup I have.
[02:14] <xangua1> !es | Sabrina
[02:14] <xster> cheako: what do ubuntu user typically use for surround? optical?
[02:14] <Sabrina> I know, but in Spanish channel, no one
[02:15] <cheako> xster: I fear the only working solution out of the box is the analog jacks for multi-channel out of the PC.
[02:15] <xster> cheako: thanks for the tip though, I'll try optical. I thought the problem was at a level higher i.e. pulseaudio etc
[02:15] <bazhang> Sabrina, no video converter has a voice translator
[02:15] <xster> chaeko: you mean a 3.5mm jack?
[02:16] <cheako> xster: Several 3.5mm jacks, 1 for fl/r and sl/r and c/lfe
[02:16] <bazhang> Sabrina, have you even tried handbrake?  you keep re-asking the same question
[02:16] <xster> cheako: lol, my home theatre doesn't even have that… I'll try optical...
[02:16] <cheako> xster: You'l need to downlaoid compile and install the ALSA a52 plugin to get sorround sound ot of an opticle.
[02:17] <Eclife> Touchpad and keyboard frozen in login screen. Problem is consistent between Ubuntu 11.10, 12.04 and Fedora
[02:17] <xster> holy shit… getting more and more complicated
[02:17] <cheako> xster: As I said that's what I do.
[02:17] <xster> k, sounds good
[02:17] <xangua1> !language | xster
[02:17] <xster> my bad
[02:17] <cheako> xster: ohh, just wait...
[02:17] <asmom> wohooo reinstalling helped :P
[02:17] <RyuGuns> I want to make an LOZ themed lock screen, where can I customize my lock screen?
[02:18] <smcguinness> anyone know if there are issues with the Wubi installer download?
[02:18] <smcguinness> Is there an alternative link than what is on Ubuntu page. File doesn't download.
[02:18] <asmom> first time on a linux system, dunno where to begin :P
[02:18] <xster> I've been reading the alsa/pulseaudio stuff but I don't think I fully understand it...
[02:18] <h00k> !beginner | asmom this may help
[02:18] <h00k> hmmm
[02:18] <asmom> !begunner
[02:18] <asmom> fail
[02:18] <asmom> !beginner
[02:19] <RyuGuns> smcguinness: Sounds like a local problem..
[02:19] <RyuGuns> WUBI doesn't seem to have problems downloading to me.
[02:19] <xster> so is pulseaudio kinda like http to alsa being to tcp?
[02:19] <Sabrina> thanks
[02:19] <smcguinness> RyuGuns: Tried 3 different browsers...all redirect to general download page.
[02:19] <Sabrina> good bye
[02:19] <smcguinness> RyuGuns: The Wubi sourceforge page seems to only have 10.04
[02:20] <RyuGuns> Hmm..
[02:20] <RyuGuns> It's actually doing the same to me..
[02:20] <xster> i.e., pulseaudio is a software audio protocol and alsa is kinda like a generic driver?
[02:20] <cheako> xster: http://pastebin.com/9gGGR4GD This goes into /etc/asound.conf  The rule for a52 needs that component that's not included in Ubuntu.  The other part is for wine mainly, to by-pass pulseaudio.  wine instructions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11913470&postcount=19
[02:20] <smcguinness> RyuGuns: Just found a link on releases.ubuntu.com for the most recent version
[02:20] <RyuGuns> smcguinness: Okay. :)
[02:21] <xster> cheako: lol… so intense...
[02:21] <Eclife> Need Help --> touchpad and keyboard is frozen in login screen
[02:21] <cheako> xster: Hmm, well pulseaudio is like the X server, it allows many client to use the audio hardware at once... alsa can do this and it's often recommended.
[02:22] <xster> ok
[02:22] <Sabrina> can be said again that his name? who inadvertently pay
[02:22] <cheako> xster: ALSA is the API applications use to access the sound hardware.  It's a bit like how mkfs and fsck use /dev/sda1.
[02:23] <xster> can you use pulseaudio and alsa at the same time? i.e. is pulseaudio just one level of abstraction higher?
[02:23] <jwcarman> is there a bug in the latest updates for 12.04 where it changes your account type to standard?
[02:23] <jwcarman> For some reason, I'm now a Standard user and I can't install updates.  I can't get to the stupid recovery mode either to add me back to the sudo group
[02:23] <cheako> xster: Applications can use ALSa to load modules/plugins to send sound to a number of places, including pulseaudio.
[02:24] <jwcarman> am I totally screwed?
[02:24] <sacarlson> jwcarman: why can't you boot to single user?  you might try boot from a usb device then to fix it
[02:24] <jwcarman> how do I boot to single user?
[02:25] <jwcarman> I need to be in recovery mode to add me back to the sudo group, right?
[02:25] <sacarlson> jwcarman: hold shit key at boot
[02:25] <sacarlson> shift
[02:25] <CoJaBo> All the links on the device page point to "cdma_shadow" too still, which
[02:25] <jwcarman> I've tried that.  It doesn't work
[02:25] <jwcarman> Left shift (or shit) doesn't work
[02:25] <jwcarman> I can't change the grub options to tell it to show the menu, either (can't sudo)
[02:26] <sacarlson> jwcarman: you have a cd or usb to boot from?
[02:26] <cheako> xster: pulseaudio uses ALSA, 'again' in most/some cases, to access the audio device.  In the case of surround sound on my system pulseaudio loads the a52 plugin to convert 5.1 channel PCM data into a compressed version that is then sent over the optical link.
[02:26] <jwcarman> I have the text install disk (needed RAID support during install), sacarlson
[02:26] <zymaster> Hey does anyone have config files for dovecot and postfix for a simple email server? I have been trying and trying to set this up and it is frustrating the heck out of me. All I really want is a simple email server so that I can send and receive emails from it. I don't need a ton of email accounts I just really need one for my Unix account on the system. Anyone got config files for this?
[02:26] <sacarlson> jwcarman: it could be that you have a usb keyboard that grub can't handle unless you set legacy in bios
[02:26] <cog> Can I learn as much with Ubuntu or more with Slackware?  (Both at the current version.)
[02:27] <Eclife> Can use some help???
[02:27] <h00k> cog: you could surely learn from both, I suppose.
[02:27] <jwcarman> sacarlson, I am using a USB keyboard.  It's a M$ gaming keyboard.  Perhaps if I try a simple Dell?
[02:27] <ApocGoD> Ubuntu 12.04, Chromium/Firefox, not able to access a website but everyone else can.
[02:27] <h00k> !ask | Eclife
[02:27] <xster> cheako: wow… you really know this stuff
[02:27] <sacarlson> jwcarman: ok ya or just boot to bios and set lagacy support
[02:28] <cheako> xster: My sony recever is all happy and says, you'r playing a 5.1 channel Dolby Digital in big letters, just like when watching a DVD.
[02:28] <Eclife> Touchpad and keyboard frozen in login screen. Ctrl-alt-f1 does not work either
[02:28] <xster> cheako, I'd ask why audio data needs compressing for optical but I think i should read up more about pcm...
[02:28] <jwcarman> ok, hopefully I won't be back.  If not, thank you very much, sacarlson.  If so, see you in a bit :)
[02:28] <escott> jwcarman, is it possible your bios doesn't recognize usb input devices?
[02:28] <jwcarman> I can use the kb in my bios setup screen
[02:28] <sacarlson> jwcarman: hope to never see you again good luck
[02:28] <jwcarman> it's an asus mobo and usb keyboard and mouse
[02:28] <xster> the pavucontrol screen shows a bunch of other checkboxes besides pcm like dts, ac3 etc etc
[02:28] <xster> any of those useful?
[02:28] <jwcarman> Okay, off to play...
[02:28] <cheako> xster: The answer, size.  The optical can only carry 48k and that's not enough for 6 channels of PCM.
[02:29] <xster> cheako, interesting...
[02:29] <cheako> xster: For HDMI the compression would have to be so bad, that it wasn't worth implementing.
[02:31] <cheako> xster: Plus for moves on DVD or Blu-ray the audio stream is already Dolby Digital or DTS compressed.
[02:32] <cheako> xster: So HDMI would have to re-compress the audio in that case...  and that would be the normal implementation.
[02:32] <Eclife> Touchpad and keyboard frozen in login screen???
[02:32] <xster> cheako, but pc audio contents plays with pcm not dts because of compression power requirement?
[02:33] <jwcarman> sacarlson, I'm back :(
[02:33] <sacarlson> jwcarman: that's not good
[02:33] <jwcarman> USB Legacy mode was enabled in the BIOS and I plugged in another kb
[02:33] <jwcarman> no dice
[02:33] <sacarlson> jwcarman: another boot device usb cd?
[02:33] <jwcarman> Do I have to use a live cd?
[02:33] <jwcarman> Or can I use the alternate installer?
[02:33] <cheako> xster: Ohh yeah forgot the mention that.  Doing a52 is said to not be cheap on CPU power, shouldn't be a problem on most systems these days...  but it will make your computer slower.
[02:34] <sacarlson> jwcarman: yes it would have to be pre programed to linux boot
[02:34] <xster> cheako, understood
[02:34] <jwcarman> is a usb installer faster than the cd?
[02:34] <jwcarman> I mean usb boot?
[02:34] <cheako> xster: I'm on a 6x 3.5GZ so it's not an issue at all.  Barely uses 30% of one core.
[02:34] <sacarlson> jwcarman: ya usb is faster than cd for me
[02:35] <xster> cheako, on idle??? or while playing a movie?
[02:35] <sacarlson> jwcarman: most my cd drives don't even work anymore
[02:35] <jwcarman> :)
[02:35] <jwcarman> Okay, so once I'm in there, what do I do?
[02:35] <xster> cheako, just out of curiosity, how does windows or mac play 5.1 on hdmi?
[02:35] <sacarlson> jwcarman: set password
[02:36] <cheako> xster: Just when playing games or stereo that has been up-mixed to 5.1.  For moves you'll be mainly using pass-through mode, that's something you can read about.
[02:36] <jwcarman> sorry if this is a n00b question
[02:36] <jwcarman> set which password?
[02:36] <sacarlson> jwcarman: well set password for root as you say you no longer have a sudo user
[02:36] <SolarisBoy> cheako: did you have to do a lot of config changes to get your pulseaudio working with 5.1?
[02:36] <cheako> xster: I play Doom3 in surround sound and some others not worth mentioning.
[02:36] <sacarlson> jwcarman: or you could modify the /etc/sudoer file
[02:37] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Actually compared to what I did prior to using PA it was vary easy.
[02:37] <SolarisBoy> interesting
[02:37] <cheako> SolarisBoy: http://pastebin.com/9gGGR4GD This goes into /etc/asound.conf  The rule for a52 needs that component that's not included in Ubuntu.  The other part is for wine mainly, to by-pass pulseaudio.  wine instructions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11913470&postcount=19
[02:38] <SolarisBoy> cheako: AWESOME thanks man!
[02:38] <cheako> SolarisBoy: My previous config had hacks to re-organise the channels for some applications.
[02:38] <SolarisBoy> insane
[02:39] <cheako> SolarisBoy: PA magically does that, I'm not going to ask as long as it keeps working.
[02:39] <jc_> somehow I accidently changed my language from English to chneese! how can I change it back from the command line, because the gui is now essentially  useless to me
[02:39] <SolarisBoy> this is all very interesting - because i think i should have better audio...
[02:39] <jc_> that should be Chinese not what I typed
[02:40] <SolarisBoy> im using pulse or actually im using whatever ubuntu defaults to i didn't do much with it im on 11.10 still
[02:40] <SolarisBoy> im not to good with video/audio stuff =)
[02:40] <Mia> where handbrake is low?
[02:41] <nishttal2> hi all.. i am running linux mint.. when i press the calculator key on my keyboard.. i get "Couldn't execute command: gcalctool".. how do i change it to mate-calc
[02:41] <Jordan_U> !mint | nishttal2
[02:41] <jwcarman> sacarlson, once I get into the usb boot, how do I access the "real" system?
[02:41] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Plus PA becomes essential with spdif, ALSA's dmix needs to talk to the spdif directly so you can't use a52...  Thus negating the point.
[02:42] <stevecam> is rythmbox the new default player again?
[02:42] <cheako> SolarisBoy: I ran for a vary long time not being able to use more then one sound application at a time.
[02:42] <sacarlson> jwcarman: oh ya you will have to mount the drive that you boot from then look at the /etc/sudoer  on that disk
[02:42] <SolarisBoy> cheako: due to alsa right? but then pulse allowed you to get past that?
[02:42] <stevecam> i mean rhythmbox
[02:43] <SolarisBoy> cheako: i have the intel built in hd audio thing but my sound is always very choppy at best.
[02:43] <jwcarman> crap, how do I do that?
[02:43] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Correct, ALSA is lacking features.  PA does software mixing for all my applications.
[02:43] <nishttal2> Jordan_U: i am not having any luck there.. its like they cant see my msgs :( if this is something simple.. could you help?
[02:43] <SolarisBoy> cheako: nice
[02:43] <Eclife> Help --> login screen frozen. touchpad and keyboard not working
[02:43] <SolarisBoy> cheako: i wonder why my sound is so horrid and yours is seemingly awesome? =)
[02:43] <h00k> nishttal2: no, as this isn't the mint channel
[02:43] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: what did you do before this started?
[02:44] <SolarisBoy> but there may be other factors...
[02:44] <Jordan_U> nishttal2: Unfortunately A: This channel has a strict policy of only supporting Ubuntu and B: I don't know the answer anyway.
[02:44] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, it's a fresh install
[02:44] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Well, no actually.  Playing Movies is done using PA...  but in pass-through mode it doesn't do mixing, perhaps got the best.
[02:44] <jwcarman> do I need to be root to create a boot disk/device?
[02:44] <nishttal2> Jordan_U: ok np.. thanks
[02:44] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: ouch. Have you copied any files around yet?
[02:44] <sacarlson> jwcarman: how do you mount a drive?  you can do it from nautilus just select the drive it will auto mount in /media
[02:44] <cheako> s/got/for/
[02:44] <Ormie> !ot > Ormie
[02:45] <aleminio> Using linux\ubuntu for the first time now, damn there's a lot to get used to lol
[02:45] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, I've done nothing
[02:45] <brandofer> power point does not download?
[02:45] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Generally to burn a Boot CD, no, to create a Bootable USB drive, yes.
[02:45] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Hmm, we seam to have basically the same system.
[02:45] <Ormie> What will happen if I ask a question for un supported version of ubuntu.
[02:45] <sacarlson> jwcarman: oh and the file is /et/sudoers  add a line like:   jwcarman ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL   to add your user to the sudo list
[02:45] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: okay! then do ctrl + alt F1 and login, and then type "startx" and see what output you get, then reboot and tell us about it:D
[02:46] <Ormie> eg. 7.04
[02:46] <jkitchen> Ormie: you may get an answer, you may not. just like any other question
[02:46] <Jordan_U> Ormie: We will tell you that we can't help you except to point you toward guides for upgrading to a supported version.
[02:46] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work
[02:46] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: try F2 then
[02:46] <Ormie> oh ok.
[02:46] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: We have a policy of not supporting EOL releases.
[02:46] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: all the way up to F7 hehe
[02:46] <jwcarman> EOL?
[02:47] <cheako> HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
[02:47] <SolarisBoy> cheako: yea?
[02:47] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, give me a sec
[02:47] <jwcarman> 12.04 is EOL?
[02:47] <_xan_> Ormie: thrown off the bridge of death?
[02:47] <SolarisBoy> Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: HDA Generic [HDA Generic]
[02:47] <jwcarman> Jordan_U?
[02:47] <_xan_> Ormie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWS8Mg-JWSg
[02:47] <sacarlson> jwcarman: Jordan_U; oh ya that's really old like 2 months already
[02:47] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: End Of Life. Ubuntu 12.04 is certainly not EOL, but Ormie was talking about 7.04 which certainly is.
[02:47] <jwcarman> I know what end of life
[02:47] <jwcarman> is
[02:47] <cheako> SolarisBoy: I guess the only issue is the supported rates.  My card only does 48000.
[02:48] <jwcarman> I meant what do you mean EOL
[02:48] <jwcarman> I'm talking 12.04
[02:48] <SolarisBoy> hmm
[02:48] <Ormie> Just curious, I use 12.04
[02:48] <cheako> SolarisBoy: You have to choose a rate that fits your card and your receiver.  Other then that I can't think of anything.
[02:48] <SolarisBoy> cheako: did you just look up the specs or do you know some command fu to get that? prolly specs huh?
[02:48] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, nothing
[02:49] <brandofer> libre won't open my downloaded pp help please
[02:49] <SolarisBoy> cheako: via some configured setting your referencing now? in pulse?
[02:49] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: wow!
[02:49] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Yeah, look at the specs.
[02:49] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: then let's check if your keyboard is in ubuntu at all
[02:49] <SolarisBoy> k
[02:49] <jwcarman> sacarlson, can I just create a live cd, then?
[02:49] <Jordan_U> brandofer: What happens when you try to open it?
[02:49] <cheako> SolarisBoy: hold on, I'll google.
[02:49] <jwcarman> I can't create a startup disk in this ubuntu since I'm not root
[02:49] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: do you have a Prt Scr button that also says SysRq on it?
[02:49] <sacarlson> jwcarman: I would think so, why don't you have a usb flash disk?
[02:49] <SolarisBoy> thanks - cause i was getting ready to delve into the wonderful world of intel embedded chips =(
[02:50] <jwcarman> I do
[02:50] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, yes
[02:50] <jwcarman> the button to burn it isn't there when I try to use the "make startup disk" thingy
[02:50] <sacarlson> jwcarman: well whatever works for you
[02:50] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: ok, then hold in alt, then press that button and release it BUT HOLD THE ALT BUTTON IN, and then slowly type with perhaps 5 sec intervals R-E-I-S-U-B
[02:50] <jwcarman> Perhaps I'm trying to create the startup disk incorrectly?
[02:50] <brandofer> "open with "does not give libre as an option to open
[02:50] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: this should reboot your computer, just to check if your keyboard is at all there
[02:50] <jwcarman> I was following instructions from here:
[02:50] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Can you use your keyboard in the BIOS menus (I'm trying to figure out why you aren't able to get the grub menu to show up).
[02:51] <jwcarman> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu
[02:51] <sacarlson> jwcarman: ya on my system I think I need to be sudo to get the usb start disk to work
[02:51] <dataviruset> someone that knows what I should write in the LSI MegaRAID preboot CLI to create a RAID1 volume? :/
[02:51] <jwcarman> I can use my kb in the BIOS, yes
[02:51] <Ormie> ads
[02:51] <cheako> YSolarisBoy: our card or receiver may not support 48 kHz, the only other sane choice is 44.1 kHz.
[02:51] <Ormie> sorry.
[02:51] <jwcarman> The grub is set to be hidden and the delay or whatever is set to 0
[02:51] <Jordan_U> dataviruset: I would highly recommend against using FakeRAID.
[02:51] <jwcarman> Is there another way to create the usb start disk?
[02:52] <jwcarman> Or, is there another way to create a bootable ubuntu usb disk?
[02:52] <Ormie> !yes
[02:52] <dataviruset> Jordan_U: Okay, I am not sure if I know what you mean, but I want to create a logical volume with RAID1 here
[02:52] <cheako> YSolarisBoy: 44.1 won't be enough to play most moves, however a52 can do it if you re-compress.
[02:52] <Ormie> !ubuntu
[02:52] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: That's normal for Ubuntu, but holding shift (not just pressing it) during boot should normally get it to show up.
[02:52] <jc_> found it
[02:52] <jwcarman> I tried holding shift
[02:52] <sacarlson> jwcarman: if you already have an iso file then select that as you don't want to download one if you don't need it
[02:52] <Ormie> !cannonical
[02:52] <jwcarman> I've tried this so many times
[02:53] <xangua1> !msgbot | Ormie
[02:53] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, nothing happened
[02:53] <jwcarman> I had the iso on my windoze system, but that's gone now
[02:53] <Ormie> hm...
[02:53] <no-name-> is it safe to boot off a drive from another computer in recovery mode? (just wondering if the drivers for the different machine would cause any problems)
[02:53] <jwcarman> I've switched over to running an ubuntu host and just have a windoze vm
[02:53] <sacarlson> jwcarman: bummer well maybe download the small one as you don't need a complete system for what you need
[02:53] <jest3r> i extracted the minimal iso to usb key and installed, but upon rebooting it went to a black screen. i went to rescue mode and it's missing dpkg and apt etc
[02:53] <jwcarman> so, I'll have to download one
[02:53] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: hmm
[02:54] <jwcarman> 32 or 64 bit matter?
[02:54] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Your card or receiver may not support 48 kHz, the only other sane choice is 44.1 kHz.
[02:54] <cheako> SolarisBoy: 44.1 won't be enough to play most moves, however a52 can do it if you re-compress.
[02:54] <jest3r> i have the ubuntu 12.04 cd mounted, but i don't know where the files i need to copy to finish the system are at
[02:54] <sacarlson> jwcarman: no it doesn't mater 32 or 64
[02:54] <jwcarman> I'm running 64-bit of course
[02:54] <jwcarman> is 32 smaller?
[02:54] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: then forcibly shut down the computer, reboot it and hold in shift when it starts again until you get a selection list
[02:54] <sacarlson> jwcarman: no I don't think it's much smaller
[02:54] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, every third time I boot the computer I get to the login screen and it's not frozen. Dunno if this helps
[02:54] <motherbrain> does anybody know where I can get the source code for the ubuntu kernels and program source code
[02:54] <cheako> jwcarman: Yes, take a look at the Windows8 iso for an example.
[02:54] <SolarisBoy> cheako: got it
[02:54] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: can you login etc?
[02:55] <xangua1> !source | motherbrain
[02:55] <jest3r> anyone know how i can get dpkg from the 12.04 cd installed without having dpkg or apt installed?
[02:55] <Blue1> !openvpn
[02:55] <jwcarman> cheako, what question were you answering?
[02:55] <cheako> jwcarman: It's said that the performance penalty for running 64bit is only slightly more then running 32 with PAE enabled.
[02:55] <Jordan_U> jest3r: How is it possible that you don't have dpkg installed?
[02:55] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, every third attempt or so
[02:55] <motherbrain> well thats for a particular gnu software not the ubuntu modified linux kernel itself
[02:55] <cheako> jwcarman: If 32bit was smaller.
[02:55] <jest3r> Jordan_U: no idea.. thank the minimal installer i guess
[02:56] <Blue1> wow what a useless openvpn link
[02:56] <h00k> I'm pretty sure the minimal installer even does dpkg
[02:56] <Jordan_U> jest3r: Nope, the minimal installer will install both dpkg and apt.
[02:56] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: I'm clueless at this point, keep nagging here!:)
[02:56] <jest3r> well obviously something went wrong then
[02:56] <Jordan_U> jest3r: What makes you think that you don't have dpkg installed?
[02:56] <cheako> jwcarman: I'm the type that insists that 32bit is the only logical choice.
[02:56] <dataviruset> Somebody knows how to do a (| more) thing in LSI MegaRAID preboot CLI?
[02:56] <jest3r> because i've done find / -type f -name '*dpkg*' -print and nothing is returned, there is no dpkg in my path etc
[02:57] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, I have tried 11.10 and fedora
[02:57] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: same problem?!
[02:57] <jwcarman> I've always used 64 because I'm a java developer and i need to be able to allocate more memory to my jvms at times
[02:57] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, ya, same problem
[02:58] <PWIHAMSTER> I really like stock Ubuntu/Unity, and I feel guilty for it
[02:58] <jest3r> i'm 100% sure dpkg is missing from the installation.. is there any way i can get it off the desktop cd? i didn't find it when i searched
[02:58] <jest3r> i'm assuming the packages are compressed
[02:58] <PWIHAMSTER> All the cool kids are supposedly using Arch and XFCE right now
[02:58] <no-name-> is it safe to boot off a drive from another computer in recovery mode? (just wondering if the drivers for the different machine would cause any problems)
[02:58] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: only thing I can say is that I'm glad I haven't had this problem
[02:58] <sirriffsalot> Keep nagging here mate
[02:59] <sirriffsalot> Someone will have to fold sooner or later
[02:59] <PWIHAMSTER> but Ubuntu works well enough that I don't even want to try Arch
[02:59] <Jordan_U> jest3r: Are you sure you're not just stuck in a busybox shell?
[02:59] <sirriffsalot> I'm very new at linux myself so
[02:59] <sacarlson> Blue1: still don't have openvpn working?
[02:59] <Eclife> sirrifsalot, haha... thanks man
[02:59] <cheako> jest3r: ar to unpack and then tar to get at the tree(as in the files you copy to /).
[02:59] <escott> no-name-, its safe, boot to the full desktop doesn't work in some cases because of drivers, but recovery should be fine
[02:59] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, it's a brand new computer too
[02:59] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, I am glad someone likes it
[02:59] <jest3r> ty cheako
[02:59] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, but I am sticking with "anything but unity"
[02:59] <jwcarman> sacarlson, so I just mount the drive and edit the /etc/sudoers file?
[02:59] <jwcarman> adding that line you specified?
[03:00] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: anything stable and functional on your end of the woods?
[03:00] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: even more puzzled mate:)
[03:00] <jest3r> and Jordan_U yes i'm in busy box but i've already mounted both the install and the cd
[03:00] <Blue1> sacarlson: nope if complains Options error: You must define DH file (--dh)
[03:00] <sacarlson> jwcarman: that should work
[03:00] <jwcarman> ok, 4 mins left on my download
[03:00] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, depends. 11.04 EOLs in october but it is rock solid
[03:00] <jwcarman> I would really like to know why I can't enter recovery mode
[03:00] <jwcarman> That really makes me mad
[03:00] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, xfce is not bad
[03:00] <Jordan_U> jest3r: And the actual root filesystem (rather than the initramfs temporary root) doesn't contain dpkg?
[03:01] <cheako> jest3r: It's actually to simple to provide a link, but here it is anyway. http://www.tablix.org/~avian/blog/archives/2005/09/unpacking_a_deb_without_dpkg/
[03:01] <theseb> ANYONE successfully backup stuff to Ubuntu One?
[03:01] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, I am currently using gnome shell, but I would never try and force it on anyone. It is an acquired taste through hard work
[03:01] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: I actually installed XFCE this week, I'll have to check it out
[03:01] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, and it still ticks me off often
[03:01] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, xfce seems like the all around good replacement (even though I am not using it right now)
[03:01] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, thanks for your help. I'll try another day
[03:02] <jwcarman> anyone know any other tricks I could try to get my grub menu to show up so that I can enter recovery mode?
[03:02] <jest3r> yeah cheako ty
[03:02] <jest3r> Jordan_U: yes it's the actual filesystem
[03:02] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: no problem! Keep trying!
[03:02] <no-name-> escott: ok. I think I'll give trying to get into my private/encrypted home folder without booting first though. though I've not had much luck doing that in the past, and couldn't seem to today
[03:02] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: I can tell you a dirty hack to get the grub menu to show, but my guess is that when it does you won't be able to interact with it (since if grub were able to get input from your keyboard at all, holding shift would have worked).
[03:02] <sacarlson> Blue1: would a static key method be good enuf for your applicaiton of openvpn?
[03:02] <Jordan_U> jest3r: How did you install Ubuntu? Were there any error messages during installation?
[03:03] <jwcarman> I've seen other folks when I googled that have had troubles getting grub menu to show
[03:03] <escott> no-name-, do you have the passphrase to unwrap the key?
[03:03] <sacarlson> Blue1: or do you plan to have more than one user connected to the openvpn server?
[03:03] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, the way unity and gnome3 was forced on people was not cool. But I think gnome3 has promise. The extensions system is awesome
[03:03] <no-name-> escott: I have the password, but not that long thing
[03:04] <cheako> smw: Exactly!
[03:04] <Blue1> sacarlson: thisis what I have:  http://paste.debian.net/173075/
[03:04] <XiRoN> Does anyone know of any reliable VPS hosts? I just want a reliable connection to the web, RAM and HDD doesnt matter. I just want it to run a SOCAT thing.
[03:04] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Again, I can tell you (an ugly) way to get the grub menu to show, but if you do it and grub can't get input from your keyboard you'll be stuck at the grub menu unable to boot Ubuntu anymore. Do you want to try that? Do you remember being able to use your keyboard with grub in the past?
[03:04] <Blue1> sacarlson: why is it bitching about something I didn't specify in the conf.fie?
[03:04] <h00k> !ot | XiRoN
[03:05] <cheako> smw: I don't think my Mom has used here Ubuntu once since I upgraded it.
[03:05] <XiRoN> Sorry, h00k
[03:05] <XiRoN> Wrong channel
[03:05] <cheako> smw: She now wants me to fix Windows so it's faster.
[03:05] <smw> cheako, I was a late convert to gnome-shell. So I got it after there were enough extensions. I also decided to put in the effort to figure out how to make gnome 3 usable
[03:05] <jwcarman> There was a time after installation that I did see the grub menu and I was able to use it.  I think I had to hard reset my machine or something, so that made it appear
[03:05] <smw> cheako, lol
[03:05] <XiRoN> #netowrking
[03:05] <jwcarman> Does that sound right?
[03:05] <D4nt3> question
[03:05] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: I tried Gnome Shell, it gave me the impression of being a less capable Unity :|
[03:05] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: I can't wait to be a more capable dev, I really feel like developping stuff for Linux.
[03:05] <smw> cheako, xfce on ubuntu is a legitimate option. It has improved greatly
[03:06] <motherbrain> does anybody know what command or how I can download the ubuntu kernel sources ?
[03:06] <shanky_ty> kernel.org
[03:06] <maxone> who do i get stereo sound from ubuntu
[03:06] <no-name-> escott: did you mean the regular password or that big long thing it gives you?
[03:06] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: That was what I was going to recommend as the ugly way to get it to appear, reboot and pull the plug on the computer immediately after Ubuntu starts to boot.
[03:06] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, gnome-shell is not a less capable unity. But it has a high learning curve if you want to get good with it.
[03:06] <motherbrain> c
[03:07] <jwcarman> can't I just power down the machine right now to get it to appear?
[03:07] <maxone> ADI 1988B 8 -Channel High Definition Audio CODEC, this is my chipset.
[03:07] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: That will be detected as a failed boot, and thus the grub menu will be shown.
[03:07] <sacarlson> blue1 try change line key waynovpn.key to secret waynovpn.key
[03:07] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: No.
[03:07] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, as I said, it has won me over, but I would never force it on anyone
[03:07] <jwcarman> has to be during boot
[03:07] <jest3r> Jordan_U: via usb key minimal install (netinstall) and i didn't see any errors, but i was afk for the installation
[03:07] <Blue1> sacarlson: ok
[03:07] <jwcarman> well, I'm game for anything at this point.  I can't get the damn usb stick to burn
[03:08] <jwcarman> have to be root to do it
[03:08] <jwcarman> Can brasero burn iso -> usb?
[03:08] <sacarlson> Blue1: I'm not sure the values you have in you *.key file are correct also
[03:08] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:08] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, I will say that I no longer recommend ubuntu who don't use linux
[03:08] <jwcarman> doesn't look like it
[03:08] <_skpl> can someone help me? aptitude is hanging while trying to upgrade zramswap-enabler
[03:08] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: how come? the 12.04 Unity is a far shot from 11.10
[03:08] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: The way that it works is that grub sets a "recordfail" flag itself, then late in boot a script removes that flag (to indicate that booting was successful). Then if grub boots again, and sees that the flag is still there, it knows that booting failed.
[03:08] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: and getting xubuntu is trivial at this point
[03:09] <maxone> anyone>
[03:09] <D4nt3> So I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 with all the latest updates as of 4 hours ago. Anyway I realized I was running Gnome 3.2 and attempted to upgrade to gnome 3.4. I added the gnome repository and installed everything. Upon reboot it refused to start. I had to hard reboot and go into the recovery console. I've uninstalled all gnome packages and yet the error persists. Even from the drop down root
[03:09] <D4nt3> console or the guiless console that's shown upon continuing to boot I'm  unable to shut down my computer, once again it just hangs in the same manner as it does on a normal startup. Does anyone know what the problem might be?
[03:09] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, I have no problem with xubuntu
[03:09] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: plus I don't know of any decent alternatives, apart maybe from Linux Mint but it's basically Ubuntu in disguise
[03:09] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:09] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:09] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:09] <FloodBot1> shanky_ty: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:09] <jwcarman> Jordan_U, cool.  That should be very helpful.  Nasty, but effective in this case
[03:09] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Unless you get stuck at the grub menu, yes :)
[03:09] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, nah, linux mint means well, but they are trying to recreate gnome2 which is insane
[03:09] <KRomo> does ubuntu 12.10 have kernel 3.4 in the nightlies?
[03:09] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: gnome2 was fine, what's wrong with re-creating it?
[03:10] <D4nt3> anyone?
[03:10] <jwcarman> I'm going to try running the livecd first.  If that doesn't work, then I'll do the "nuclear option"
[03:10] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: If you're willing to try it though it sounds like it will probably work.
[03:10] <dr--willis> !apt ? shanky_ty
[03:10] <dr--willis> !apt | shanky_ty
[03:10] <KRomo> linux mint is like your dad holding onto vhs
[03:10] <jwcarman> I'm willing.  I really don't have much on this PC
[03:10] <jwcarman> everything I give a crap about is stored "in the cloud" anyway
[03:10] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, because what makes gnome 2 so great is the decade or so of bug fixes and iterative improvements
[03:10] <jwcarman> I nuke/pave my machine somewhat regularly and it's only been up-and-running on 12.04 for a couple of days
[03:10] <D4nt3> anyone care to help?
[03:11] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: so MATE isn't built on gnome2?
[03:11] <motherbrain> wait a second the ubuntu os/machine may already contain the sources maybe is the source code from the kernel any one of these http://pastebin.com/pn4b51WU
[03:11] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, I thought they use cinnamon on gnome 3
[03:11] <jwcarman> burning live cd now...
[03:11] <D4nt3> once more
[03:11] <D4nt3> So I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 with all the latest updates as of 4 hours ago. Anyway I realized I was running Gnome 3.2 and attempted to upgrade to gnome 3.4. I added the gnome repository and installed everything. Upon reboot it refused to start. I had to hard reboot and go into the recovery console. I've uninstalled all gnome packages and yet the error persists. Even from the drop down root
[03:11] <D4nt3> console or the guiless console that's shown upon continuing to boot I'm  unable to shut down my computer, once again it just hangs in the same manner as it does on a normal startup. Does anyone know what the problem might be?
[03:11] <Saeryn> D4nt3: Watcha need?
[03:11] <FloodBot1> D4nt3: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:11] <Jordan_U> !ot | smw PWIHAMSTER
[03:11] <Geodesical> Hallo? It would be most adequate to offer me assistance at the moment. ;)
[03:11] <wilee-nilee> PWIHAMSTER, you don't have to re-create gnome 2 run debian.
[03:11] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, head to offtopic?
[03:12] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: yassuh
[03:12] <smw> sorry Jordan_U
[03:12] <KRomo> is the g in gnome silent?
[03:12] <shanky_ty> ubottu: i have tried export method but it dosent work
[03:12] <sacarlson> D4nt3: unsupported repository?
[03:12] <Jordan_U> D4nt3: I would recommend using ppa-purge to ensure that you get rid of (or downgrade back to supported versions) all of the packages from the ppa.
[03:12] <Boohbah> D4nt3: did you remove the repository and install the gnome packages again from official repositories?
[03:13] <D4nt3> okay I'll try that
[03:13] <theseb> ANYONE use Ubuntu One
[03:13] <theseb> ?
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> theseb lots of people do
[03:13] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:13] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:13] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:13] <FloodBot1> shanky_ty: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:14] <theseb> Dr_Willis: the default backup app Deja Dup gives an error....how do people send files remotely to store ?
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> shanky_ty:  in the  config files in /etc/apt/
[03:14] <DaSpawn> I have a weird issue with Ubuntu 11.04 and unity menu.  If I go in with 2D mode it works fine, in regular mode the menus are there ok, but when it opens it greys out and shows the arrow, but I see no menu.  The strangest part is the menu is actually there, if I click where menu items would be, applications open.  Already tried unity --reset, reset-icons.  Any help would be appreciated
[03:14] <jwcarman> export http_proxy=http://myproxyhost.com:8080?  Isn't that it?
[03:14] <Geodesical> Hello... am I Chop Liver?!
[03:14] <Gardllok> Hey guys! I hate doing this but I'm stumped here. Im trying to configure Blackbuntu which runs ubuntu 10.10 (with 2.6.39-3-bb03 kernel). Of course I cant the wireless device (intel centrino adv. N + wimax 6250) set up. according to my googled research, i have the correct drivers and firmware....still no dice! Ifconfig wont recognize and lshw reports the device as unclaimed. My question is,...
[03:14] <Gardllok> ...should I continue trying to get my current driver+kernel set to work or update the kernel new version?
[03:14] <Jordan_U> shanky_ty: Please don't repeat your question over and over like that, and please stick to one '?' .
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> theseb:  no idea.
[03:14] <theseb> Dr_Willis: do you use it?
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> !apt | shanky_ty
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> theseb:  i uswe ubuntu one.. thats what you asked
[03:15] <theseb> Dr_Willis: for backups?
[03:15] <Jordan_U> Geodesical: Do you have an Ubuntu support question? If so, please get to it without the offtopic banter.
[03:15] <theseb> Dr_Willis: of your laptop?
[03:15] <shanky_ty> Dr_Wills: APT is the Advanced Package Tool
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> theseb:  i just drag/drop what i want to archive to it.
[03:15] <Gardllok> another question is i found in my dirvers folder "iwlagn.ko.ignore"....should this be "ignore"
[03:15] <theseb> Dr_Willis: to that Ubuntu One folder?
[03:15] <jwcarman> shanky_ty: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=http+proxy+apt-get
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> shanky_ty:   you may want to read some dos on it.
[03:15] <Geodesical> Oke doke. Well, I am trying to run Garry's Mod on Steam; Steam loads fine but when I click the "Play" button, the screen goes black, but then just goes back to Steam.
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> theseb:  or make a link. I get to U1 from my android phone most of the time
[03:15] <Jordan_U> !wine | Geodesical
[03:16] <motherbrain> I guess I already have the source here dahdi-2.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu2        linux-headers-2.6.32-41-generic
[03:16] <motherbrain> linux-headers-2.6.32-21          virtualbox-ose-3.1.6
[03:16] <motherbrain> linux-headers-2.6.32-21-generic  vpb-driver.tar.bz2
[03:16] <motherbrain> linux-headers-2.6.32-41
[03:16] <Geodesical> I have Wine installed already. Also PlayOnLinux.
[03:16] <FloodBot1> motherbrain: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:16] <theseb> Dr_Willis: what link are you referring to?  I tried making a soft link inside of the U1 folder to another dir and it seemed to take
[03:16] <Ormie> how does the ubuntu team feel if the user tweak or hack ubuntu?
[03:16] <jwcarman> shanky_ty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto#Setting_up_apt-get_to_use_a_http-proxy
[03:16] <shanky_ty> jwcarman: i have trid google but most of method show way to export http_proxy .... but that doesnt work for me ...?
[03:17] <shanky_ty> is there ane other way
[03:17] <Jordan_U> Geodesical: The relevant part of that factoid was "Join #winehq for application help".
[03:17] <Dr_Willis> Ormie:  Huh?
[03:17] <sacarlson> motherbrain: headers are not source
[03:17] <Geodesical> Jordan_U: oh.
[03:17] <jwcarman> shanky_ty: have you tried changing the configuration file?
[03:17] <shanky_ty> nop
[03:17] <motherbrain> what are headers for then just the header files for the c files
[03:18] <sacarlson> motherbrain: headers are what we compile other stuf to
[03:18] <jwcarman> shanky_ty: there are a lot of options on that link I gave you
[03:18] <motherbrain> where is the source does it come pre-installed with ubuntu or is there a download somewhere
[03:19] <Boohbah> motherbrain: in the case of kernel headers, you need them to compile modules for that kernel
[03:19] <Ormie> by the way, who hired that guy "willwill" to be as voice on #ubuntu-th?
[03:19] <shanky_ty> jwcarman: if u r referring to apt/how_tos .. pge i have already tried that .. but no luck
[03:20] <OerHeks> Ormie, ask in Ubuntu-th ?
[03:20] <Ormie> Ask in english? no one understands.
[03:20] <motherbrain> ok but is the source code for the kernel some where on the filesystem by default or is it just the compiled versions of them in non-human readable .so , .a  , .o files
[03:22] <Ormie> actually, ah ha!
[03:22] <Jordan_U> motherbrain: The kernel source is not shipped with Ubuntu by default.
[03:22] <Boohbah> motherbrain: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-source
[03:22] <motherbrain> is there a download page like kernel.org for it
[03:22] <Ormie> ผมถามทางโน้นก็ได้คร๊าบ!
[03:23] <Boohbah> motherbrain: you can do 'sudo apt-get install linux-source'
[03:23] <shanky_ty> telgu ??
[03:23] <Boohbah> shanky_ty: thai
[03:23]  * Ormie runs away.
[03:23] <Jordan_U> Ormie: This channel is English only.
[03:23] <shanky_ty> hh
[03:23] <frame45> does anyone use the full encryption from the alternate install cd?
[03:23] <shanky_ty> can ne 1 tell me how configure apt for proxy?
[03:24] <Jordan_U> !anyone | frame45
[03:24] <Ormie> Jordan_U, that means "I will go and ask over there, then" and end of conversation.
[03:24] <xangua1> !aptproxy | shanky_ty
[03:24] <cog> CrIsIs!  Please divulge on getting the music to stop playing after closing Clementine.
[03:25] <frame45> is it a good idea to use full encryption on a laptop?
[03:25] <Saeryn> frame45: What type of full encryption?
[03:25] <cog> Harmony -_- CrIsIs absolved.
[03:25] <motherbrain> thank you for the link as well as the apt-get command didn't know linux-source was the name for the apt-get part of the command.
[03:27] <frame45> Saeryn: well i just loaded 12.04 on my new laptop but should I encrypt it? I was told you had to use the alternate install cd to fully encrypt the whole system not just /home
[03:27] <EDawg878> How do you make a shell script that is a toggle? When you run it 1st it does command1 if you run it again it does command2 etc.
[03:27] <jwcarman> sacarlson, okay I'm in the live cd
[03:28] <jwcarman> I've mounted it, chmod +w sudoers, vi sudoers
[03:28] <jwcarman> I'm in there now
[03:28] <Saeryn> frame45: You will need to use the alternative install cd to do so, unless you want to make it more complicated.
[03:28] <jwcarman> So, I see a line for root that looks like this
[03:28] <jwcarman> root    ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
[03:28] <jwcarman> Do I just want to do that for me, too?
[03:29] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: No, don't edit /etc/sudoers at all.
[03:29] <jwcarman> What?
[03:29] <jwcarman> that's what I was told to do by sacarlson
[03:29] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Add your user to the "sudo" or "admin" group.
[03:29] <jwcarman> so, what do I do?
[03:29] <jwcarman> I'm in a live cd, Jordan_U
[03:30] <Saeryn> frame45: However unless you're expecting to store sensitive information on your machine, Full Disk Encryption isn't usually needed :) I'd recommend getting more experience with Linux in general before delving into Encryption Schemes.
[03:30] <jwcarman> So, I'm not really running inside the "real" system
[03:30] <shrapnel> after installing updates on 12.04 and rebooting, my laptop has lost network connectivity. looks like the network manager is broken.
[03:30] <shanky_ty> xangua1: thnx will try  :)
[03:30] <shrapnel> going into system settings, networking, gives me the message, "the system network services are not compatible with this version"
[03:30] <jwcarman> Do I just edit /etc/passwd or something?
[03:30] <shrapnel> ifconfig + dhclient can get me a wired connection to my router. haven't investigated wifi. the networkmanager applet has gone missing.
[03:31] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Also, you shouldn't have changed the permissions of /etc/sudoers, they were like that for a reason.
[03:31] <Saeryn> shrapnel: Open a terminal and type "pstree -p | grep nm"
[03:31] <jwcarman> Jordan_U, how do I change it back?
[03:31] <jwcarman> I did
[03:31] <frame45> Saeryn: I know encryption is good if it gets stolen, but what if I break something and it won't boot? is it better just to encrypt /home
[03:31] <jwcarman> sudo chmod +w sudoers
[03:31] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: chmod -w
[03:31] <jwcarman> k
[03:31] <Saeryn> shrapnel: Did it return with anything?
[03:32] <subcool> can someone help me with my sound? - there is none :(
[03:32] <KRomo> new rhythmbox update is sweet!
[03:32] <shrapnel> Saeryn: yep, it shows up in the process list.
[03:32] <jwcarman> Jordan_U, what file do I change to add me to the group?
[03:32] <subcool> I am also connected via HDMI, and there is no sound there either..
[03:32] <r0b-> well i have concluded that Kernel 3.0 is about fucked
[03:32] <r0b-> :-)
[03:32] <r0b-> USB support has gone downhill
[03:32] <Saeryn> frame45: A strong enough initial password should protect your information readily enough, if they are indeed sophisticated enough to get through normal authentication measures such encryption usually won't help. However you can encrypt /home if you feel you need to.
[03:32] <Saeryn> shrapnel: nm-applet shows up?
[03:32] <shrapnel> Saeryn: yes.
[03:33] <Saeryn> shrapnel: With what PID?
[03:33] <shrapnel> Saeryn: 3081.
[03:33] <jwcarman> Jordan_U, can I just modify the "group" file to add me to the end of the "sudo" group line?
[03:33] <shrapnel> Saeryn: what can you tell from a PID?
[03:34] <Saeryn> shrapnel: The PID tells me the PID :P So your issue is that the nm-applet won't show up to be used?
[03:34] <Jordan_U> Saeryn: A login password does nothing to protect your private data if your computer gets stolen and the data is not encrypted.
[03:34] <jenia> hello everyone
[03:34] <sacarlson> motherbrain:  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git-repos/ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git
[03:34] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Yes.
[03:34] <r0b-> uCUNTU SUCKS!
[03:35] <jwcarman> and that's it?
[03:35] <jwcarman> Reboot?
[03:35] <jenia> can someone please tell me how to configure the static switcher program to not show the different windows of the same program
[03:35] <jwcarman> I didn't change permissions.  Just vi group
[03:35] <frame45> Saeryn: thanks, I'm a worst case person, I'm thinking more along the lines of if you pull the drive an mount it to another system.
[03:35] <maxone> could someone help me out.  i don't have stereo sound in ubuntu, why?
[03:35] <Saeryn> Jordan_U: Quite true, however anyone who is willing to go that far to get the data will usually try other means as well to get through the encryption. Any sensitive data that is worth stealing as such would require extra measures as well to remain fully protected :)
[03:35] <Saeryn> frame45: If you query me I can help you set it up if you'd like :)
[03:35] <jenia> like lets say i have 5 nautilus windows open, i want there to be one entry in the statis switcher
[03:36] <Saeryn> Jordan_U: I guess I'm just the go all the way or none of the way type of person when it comes to security, bad habit I know :P
[03:36] <ak5> sorry, but how can I check version of pkg installed with apt?
[03:36] <Saeryn> shrapnel: ?
[03:36] <subcool> maxone,  if u find any good advice.. forward it my way please
[03:37] <Jordan_U> Saeryn: With a good password the encryption used by Ubuntu cannot currently be cracked with consumer hardware / software in any reasonable amount of time (see: Decades of serious computation).
[03:38] <jwcarman_> Jordan_U: I'm back in business!  Thank you VERY MUCH for your help
[03:38] <Saeryn> Jordan_U: Very true, I guess I am not familiar enough with Ubuntu's encryption scheme to formulate the plausible attacks one could perform against it other than the obvious :) I use a different encryption method.
[03:38] <jwcarman_> now to figure out how the heck that happened in the first place
[03:38] <maxone> would but no one seems to be helping
[03:38] <frame45> Saeryn: I may run the alternate installer just to see how it works. it's a new machine so i'm not too vested at this point yet.
[03:38] <sacarlson> jwcarman_: I lost connection what was the solution?
[03:38] <Jordan_U> jwcarman_: You're welcome. You should also check that you're a member of the other standard groups (on my machine "adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare libvirtd" )
[03:39] <Saeryn> frame45: Then go for it definitely :)
[03:39] <frame45> Saeryn: what about btrfs? have you tried it yet?
[03:39] <sacarlson> jwcarman_: oh yes added to admin group would also fix it
[03:39] <Saeryn> frame45: No I have no, I stick to Ext4 for partitions other than /boot and swap.
[03:39] <shrapnel> Saeryn: sorry, connection dropped.
[03:39] <Saeryn> I have not*
[03:40] <Saeryn> shrapnel: So your issue is that nm-applet is not showing up?
[03:40] <jwcarman_> sacarlson: that's what I did.  I modified the /etc/group file by adding me to the "sudo" group
[03:40] <subcool> maxone, ill be back, im rebooting...
[03:40] <shrapnel> Saeryn: I suppose, though I can't bring up the networking control panel, either (not sure if that's implemented as a call to the applet).
[03:40] <Saeryn> shrapnel: Are you using 12.04?
[03:40] <frame45> Saeryn: I made one partition for swap one for / and one for /home. Is it better to make /boot it's own?
[03:40] <subcool> maxone, nvm- 10 more mintures
[03:40] <shrapnel> Saeryn: and, of course, the applet doesn't seem to be doing its job. it doesn't automatically establish wired or wireless connections the way it usually does.
[03:40] <jwcarman_> Jordan_U, do I need all of those other groups?
[03:40] <shrapnel> Saeryn: yes.
[03:40] <subcool> could someone help us with sound?
[03:41] <Saeryn> frame45: It depends on your encryption scheme :)
[03:41] <jwcarman_> Jordan_U, if I'm in the sudo group, I can do anything I want as long as I provide a password, right?
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> frame45:  ages ago /boot/  was a common thing to have in its own partition. not so common these days
[03:41] <maxone> what's nvm- 10 more mintures?
[03:41] <sacarlson> jwcarman_: oh they added a new group sudo?  it was admin
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> frame45:  in some special cases its real handy
[03:41] <jwcarman_> I think they renamed it
[03:41] <jwcarman_> looking...
[03:41] <Saeryn> frame45: Mine is a little more complex. I use one where /boot is on it's own among other things.
[03:42] <Saeryn> shrapnel: Try killing the process and restarting it?
[03:42] <jwcarman_> yep, it has been renamed
[03:42] <jwcarman_> no more group called "admin"
[03:42] <frame45> Saeryn & Dr_Willis: thanks
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> i have a large /boot/ partition - because i segtt up grub2 to boot differnt iso files that i keep on /boot/ which is on  a seperate hard drive then my main install
[03:42] <sacarlson> jwcarman_: oh then almost anyone that upgrades would have this problem
[03:42] <jwcarman_> Dr_Willis: you don't have to have the /boot partition anymore?  You can just put that crap on the / partition?
[03:43] <jwcarman_> sacarlson: this is a fresh install
[03:43] <jwcarman_> sacarlson: no idea how the heck this happened
[03:43] <Saeryn> jwcarman_: If you're using a Full Disk Encryption scheme where everything is encrypted except /boot you can't :)
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> jwcarman_:  you can. but in m y case i got /boot/ on sda by itself. (with windows  after it) linux is on sdb. I can boot a ubuntu iso file from sda and reinstall to sdb -- very fastg ;)
[03:43] <jwcarman_> sacarlson: I'm hoping it wasn't some dorked up update that did it
[03:43] <sacarlson> jwcarman_: well as long as there is a solution
[03:43] <frame45> Dr_Willis: I kinda followed @matthartley 's how to from the Linux Action Show
[03:44] <shrapnel> Saeryn: connection should be stable now. yes, using 12.04.
[03:44] <jwcarman_> Dr_Willis: very cool.  I've got my /boot as a separate 512MB partition on my SSD too
[03:44] <jwcarman_> don't run windoze "natively" anymore
[03:44] <jwcarman_> "off to vm land with you, windoze"
[03:45] <frame45> jwcarman: fixing to do that myself
[03:45] <Saeryn> shrapnel: Ok, I'd inquire to someone a little more experienced with 12.04 I have yet to take that endevour. Sounds like it could be an issue relating to that :)
[03:45] <jwcarman_> only thing that held me back was work, but they won't set me up on a proper vm anyway
[03:45] <Saeryn> jwcarman_: Off-Topic
[03:45] <shrapnel> Saeryn: thanks anyway.
[03:46] <jwcarman_> I can't find a cisco client that provides the ability to do RSA SecureID for linux
[03:46] <maxone> help?!
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> !ask
[03:46] <Saeryn> jwcarman_: Do you have a question relating to support for Ubuntu?
[03:46] <acu_> how can I add users in gnome3
[03:46] <ekaj> Is there a way to install Ubuntu on an IDE drive connected to my Windows computer via a USB port?
[03:46] <subcool> maxone, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> acu_:  quick  way - use the terminal ' sudo adduser billgates' (or similer
[03:47] <jwcarman_> Saeryn: perhaps I'm hanging around to help someone else
[03:47] <Saeryn> maxone: What is your issue?
[03:47] <Saeryn> jwcarman_: THen stay on topic please :)
[03:47] <jwcarman_> Saeryn: will do.  sorry for the chatter
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> ekaj:  ive done full installs to usb hard drives befor,  then moved them over to other pcs'  should work. if you are sure to put grub on thembr of the usb  hd.
[03:47] <Saeryn> No worries :)
[03:47] <jwcarman_> :)
[03:48] <PoorCollegeKid> trying to backup my comp. which folders do i need to choose if i want to backup apps, ppas, and settings?
[03:48] <ekaj> Dr_Willis That's the goal =] I am just not sure how to install to the USB drive with a .iso, though...
[03:48] <jwcarman_> acu_: if you're looking for a more graphical way, just go to system settings -> User accounts  and click the "+" button at the bottom
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> ekaj: i tend to put the iso on a bootable flash  drive.. boot it. then insgttall to the other usb  hd.
[03:48] <subcool> can i partition a 32gb usb to make available 32bit and 64bit (k)ubuntu images or anything more?
[03:49] <easypi> how would i restart the shell?
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> subcool:  using grub2 and some guides. you can make a multi iso booting  usb  flash tht can boot either iso.
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> subcool:  pendrive linux web  site has tools to automate thata also
[03:49] <acu_> howcan I remove history from root ?
[03:49] <subcool> awesome Dr_Willis
[03:49] <Saeryn> subcool: I'd use a Search Engine.
[03:50] <Dr_Willis> acu_:  historycommand  has the option to clear it.
[03:50] <easypi> this program needs to be restarted. i'm either doing it right and the program just doesn't work or i'm restarting shell the wrong way.
[03:50] <ekaj> Dr_Willis: I don't think the computer supports booting to a USB drive, that's the problem.
[03:50] <Saeryn> acu_: man history
[03:50] <sacarlson> subcool: or you an boot an iso file direct from your hard disk,  it will boot much faster
[03:50] <subcool> Dr_Willis, idk about pendrive, between that and netboot - the USB's i've made already are SLOWWW- the only one that works fast is the one used in ubuntu/kubuntu themselves
[03:50] <Saeryn> ekaj: That dependson the BIOS settings usually.
[03:51] <ekaj> Saeryn It's not in the BIOS, but I'll double check.
[03:51] <subcool> sacarlson, so you saying have customs settings on the USB and then have it pull the image off the HDD?
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> ekaj  you could set up  a 1gb partion on the hard drive. and set up grub2 on it to boot the iso on that partiton. then move it to tghe other pc.. boot the hd/iso and install to the rest of the hd. but thats a bit advanced
[03:51] <jwcarman_> acu_: perhaps remove /root/.bash_history?
[03:51] <Saeryn> ekaj: You should be able to change the boot order vis-a-vis the BIOS, most systems with a USB Port support it.
[03:51] <ekaj> Yeah, there's no support or USB devices and I'm out of CDs.
[03:52] <sacarlson> subcool: well you could modify the seetings on the hard disk that adds an iso or multi iso boots from hard disk
[03:52] <Saeryn> ekaj: Can you give me the model of your machine? I can perform a double-check for you.
[03:52] <subcool> interesting, ill give it a look sooner or later- still trying to recover like 5 computers.. from the closet.. ugh
[03:52] <ekaj> I'll try to get a laptop and boot from a USB drive, then install Ubuntu to the USB external drive... I've had problems with that in the past, however.
[03:52] <subcool> later
[03:53] <qak> i'm having trouble googling for info about the /run filesystem, what sets it up on my system, etc.
[03:53] <jwcarman_> when creating a USB boot device, should it sit there for a long time on "Installing the bootloader..."?
[03:53] <jwcarman_> nevermind, it just finished
[03:53] <jwcarman_> :)
[03:53] <Saeryn> jwcarman_: It can seem as if it's stalled for a while, just give it a bit.
[03:53] <Saeryn> Ah ok, good.
[03:54] <jwcarman_> setting that up now in case I get into trouble again later
[03:54] <Saeryn> qak: Are you wanting to learn more about the process or do you have a specific issue you need support with?
[03:54] <ekaj> Saeryn: Where can  find he model#? It's  a Dell OptiPlex GX50 Series w/ Phones ROM BIOS Plus V. 1.10 A06
[03:55] <Saeryn> ekaj That would be the model :)
[03:55] <ekaj> Ah =p
[03:56] <Saeryn> ekaj: You're correct, USB Boot options weren't supported until the GX260
[03:57] <qak> Saeryn: one part curiosity; one part wondering if i start using /run/shm, whether something will swoop in and reclaim it or something .... just noticed /var/run is a link tho, ...
[03:58] <escott> qak, /var/run is going away in most distros
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> i recall reading somthing about the trend to move to /run/ to allow /var/ to get mounte read only or somthing.. i cant even rember where i read it at. May been atg the askubuntu.com site
[03:59] <qak> escott: really? how do i find out about such things? is this an lsb idea?
[04:00] <Saeryn> qak http://askubuntu.com/questions/57297/why-has-var-run-been-migrated-to-run
[04:00] <Saeryn> qak: That may help answer your question.
[04:00] <escott> Dr_Willis, qak, (poetterings blog is a good source) it is now a requirement for fedora/systemd, but its being driven by usage and having /var be a proper fs mountpoint with well defined semantics
[04:00] <Saeryn> If it doesn't the links provided as references definitely will.
[04:01]  * qak realizes he's about to turn into a pumpkin
[04:01] <motherbrain> ok is there away to determine which ubuntu kernel is based on which linux kernel... since I want to compare the linux kernel it was coded from the the ubuntu finished kernel is there anyway to know which on is which
[04:02] <qak> Saeryn: ty
[04:04] <swine_> hey, what would cause the pre-start section of an upstart configuration not to run ?
[04:05] <Jordan_U> motherbrain: The way that Debian source packages work is that you have an original tar.gz from upstream + patches to get the package. Simply download the source package.
[04:05] <sacarlson> motherbrain: even a single version of ubuntu may have a few versions of the kernel available,  I guess the iso file release will only have 2 or so in each release
[04:05] <jwcarman_> so, if they want the "root" system to be mounted read-only, would you have to set it up as read-write to install new software?  Or when they say "root" they mean the operating system itself, not any add-on software?
[04:06] <jwcarman_> that last question was wrt the /var/run -> /run page
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> youd have to go to r-w to install/do system config changes. then lock it back down
[04:07] <ekaj> Any idea why UNetBootin and LiLo aren't making my USB device bootable?
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> sort of the point is having a 'read only' system for another layer of security
[04:07] <swine_> hey, what would cause the pre-start section of an upstart configuration not to run ?
[04:07] <qak> jwcarman_: `mount -o remount,rw /`
[04:07] <ekaj> I get stuck at the "SYSLINUX 4.03 2010-10-22 EDD Copyright..." page
[04:07] <jwcarman_> Would they expect "normal" users to do that?
[04:07] <motherbrain> yes "even a single version of ubuntu may have a few versions of the kernel available" but is there away to determine which linux kernel version they where derived from
[04:08] <Dr_Willis> ekaj:  the pendrive linux website has other tools that may work
[04:09] <ekaj> Thanks Willis, I'll try Universal USB Installer.
[04:10] <swine_> anyone ?
[04:10] <qak> motherbrain: afaik the version number (x.x.x) of the kernel pkg and `uname` would be the same as kernel.org; for the patches applied from vanilla, look at the pkg contents or source
[04:10] <sacarlson> motherbrain: I found this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Table_of_versions
[04:11] <Jordan_U> ekaj: If other tools fail it's probably an issue with Syslinux (specific to your hardare and likely due to a bug in your firmware rather than a bug in Syslinux). Because of that 1: You might get better help in #syslinux and 2: You might be able to make something which boots on your machine by using GRUB instead of Syslinux.
[04:12] <ekaj> Syslinux?
[04:12] <ekaj> Ahh okay
[04:12] <ekaj> I've tried two different programs that used Syslinux, however
[04:14] <motherbrain> O, wait a minute I forgot uname -r shows the version but does this version corrospond to the linux kernel version it was derived from or its ubuntu kernel version because if it is the linux one then I know I can just download the ubuntu source based on that
[04:15] <swine_> am i invisible ?
[04:15] <escott> jwcarman_, the big usage is in virtualized systems. a read only image of the vm base with a few read-write and vm specific filesystems on top of it
[04:15] <jagginess> motherbrain, distros get their kernels from kernels.org, and then they make some modifications.. these modifications are packaged in the source repositories
[04:16] <phanindraramesh> hai all, when I try to compile the C file using " gcc -Wall -g -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -O   -c -o ttfrender.o ttfrender.c `pkg-config --cflags pgm-5.1` \ `pkg-config --libs pgm-5.1`" I am getting the error "gcc: error:  -lpgm: No such file or directory". anybody please help
[04:16] <motherbrain> ok so then the uname -r gives me what linux kernel it was derived from
[04:16] <Abhijit> how to uncompress .gz file using terminal
[04:16] <jagginess> motherbrain, you should ask on #linux (you're asking really generic questions not related to ubuntu)
[04:17] <jagginess> motherbrain, no.
[04:17] <qak> motherbrain: if, eg. `uname -r` returns 3.2.0-24-generic as mine does, then look at kernel.org's 3.2.0 vs http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/kernel-image-3.2.0-24-generic-di
[04:17] <motherbrain> no matter if I am on a ubuntu , or debian , or backtracks ,...etc
[04:17] <joallard>  rice
[04:17] <jagginess> motherbrain, i'm on #linux.. ask me on there (others can help too)
[04:17] <phanindraramesh> Abhijit, usr the tar command
[04:17] <qak> motherbrain: ... that url has a link "download pkg source"
[04:17] <Abhijit> phanindraramesh, tar is for tar.gz
[04:17] <Saeryn> Abhijit: man tar
[04:17] <Saeryn> Ah
[04:17] <sacarlson> motherbrain: the tags in git should show all the versions available
[04:17] <Abhijit> Saeryn,  tar is for tar.gz
[04:18] <Saeryn> Abhijit: man gzip
[04:19] <Abhijit> Saeryn, yes. that worked. thanks.
[04:19] <Saeryn> Welcome.
[04:19] <sacarlson> motherbrain: ubuntu has it's own git, I'm not sure if kernel.org has all the tags of ubuntu patches
[04:20] <phanindraramesh> hai all, when I try to compile the C file using " gcc -Wall -g -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -O   -c -o ttfrender.o ttfrender.c `pkg-config --cflags pgm-5.1` \ `pkg-config --libs pgm-5.1`" I am getting the error "gcc: error:  -lpgm: No such file or directory". anybody please help
[04:21] <Wingede> if you modify a logrotate application file setting do you need to restart logrotate?
[04:21] <qak> phanindraramesh: apt-cache search libpgm.*
[04:23] <phanindraramesh> qak, "libpgm-5.1-0 - OpenPGM shared library ,libpgm-dbg - OpenPGM debugging symbols,libpgm-dev - OpenPGM development files" this is the output. All these three packages are installed already
[04:25] <qak> phanindraramesh: hmm
[04:26] <phanindraramesh> qak, what can be the solution?
[04:26] <qak> phanindraramesh: i'd check the output of `pkg-config --libs pgm-5.1`
[04:30] <phanindraramesh> qak, ok.
[04:33] <kosko> i have ssh connection to a box wich has a connection to vnc box, what is the best way to have vnc connection from my box to vnc box through the ssh box?
[04:36] <phanindraramesh> hai all, when I try to compile the C file using " gcc -Wall -g -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -O   -c -o ttfrender.o ttfrender.c `pkg-config --cflags pgm-5.1` \ `pkg-config --libs pgm-5.1`" I am getting the error "gcc: error:  -lpgm: No such file or directory". anybody please help
[04:36] <jagginess> kosko, vnc sux
[04:37] <jagginess> kosko, use this instead http://www.nomachine.com/preview/select-package-virtual-desktop-workstation.php?os=linux (then https://<ip>:4080  or use the binary client )(to use binary client, be sure to install ssh server)
[04:39] <Nogal> Hey everyone... I have a basic question and I'm not sure where to ask it. I have quite a bit of experience developing desktop applications for Windows and I would like to get started with linux.
[04:39] <Nogal> I mainly used BASIC (and some variants) and I understand that Python would be a good choice of a new language. Can someone point me in the correct direction to get myself started?
[04:39] <andrewaclt> Nogal, http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers
[04:39] <andrewaclt> err maybe that's not hte best
[04:40] <andrewaclt> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers
[04:43] <jagginess> Nogal, gambas
[04:43] <jagginess> Nogal, it's awesome http://gambas.sourceforge.net/en/main.html
[04:46] <Nogal> what would you say about Eclipse?
[04:47] <james-ubc> somewhat stupid question but what's the command to launch xterm?
[04:47] <james-ubc> as in a new teriman window
[04:47] <james-ubc> im trying to set a shortcut
[04:47] <Nogal> james, CTRL, ALT T
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> xterm runs a term
[04:48] <james-ubc> Nogal: im on gnome 3,
[04:48] <james-ubc> shell
[04:48] <Nogal> alt f2 iIRC
[04:48] <james-ubc> bash xterm not found :/
[04:48] <n1ckn4me09876543> Can Windows7  Network Discovery  see Linux OS?
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> !info  xterm
[04:49] <cipher__> can anyone help me get ubuntu 4.x working on 11.10?
[04:49] <cipher__> err, opengl 4.x
[04:50] <wereHamster> how can I get apt-get upgrade to automatically apply package configuration changes? It's for use in a script
[04:50] <james-ubc> ehh nvm found it, it's gnome-terminal
[04:50] <james-ubc> thx
[04:54] <phanindraramesh> hai all, when I try to compile the C file using " gcc -Wall -g -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -O   -c -o ttfrender.o ttfrender.c `pkg-config --cflags pgm-5.1` \ `pkg-config --libs pgm-5.1`" I am getting the error "gcc: error:  -lpgm: No such file or directory". anybody please help
[04:55] <wereHamster> phanindraramesh: install the pgm library ... ?
[04:56] <Erika_Mustermann> Hallo
[04:56] <phanindraramesh> wereHamster, I installed libpgm-5.1-0 - OpenPGM shared library ,libpgm-dbg - OpenPGM debugging symbols,libpgm-dev - OpenPGM development files