[00:00] <TinkerToy> Then back to the prompt. The VM is Virtualbox, and it's the latest version if Lubuntu, seeing as I created the VM today.
[00:00] <TinkerToy> So, if anyone could help me figure this out, that'd be great! :3
[00:02] <Sentynel> TinkerToy: we know literally nothing about what you're trying to build.. you should probably ask in the channel/mailing list/etc for whatever you're trying to build
[00:02] <TinkerToy> I already asked. They sent me to #ubuntu, who sent me here.
[00:03] <TinkerToy> I really don't want to get caught in an endless loop. :C
[00:03] <Sentynel> what exactly are you trying to build?
[00:04] <TinkerToy> It's a game engine called Aleph One.
[00:10] <Sentynel> TinkerToy: okay, so what's the output if you run ./config.guess
[01:43] <phillw> Sentynel: my guess is that the VM created was not an i686 one, most likely created an amd64 one or vice versa.
[01:44] <Sentynel> phillw: I don't think that was the issue
[01:44] <Sentynel> "checking build system type... Invalid configuration `i686-pc-linux-': machine `i686-pc-linux' not recognized" is the error
[01:44] <Sentynel> see the trailing dash there?
[01:45] <Sentynel> I tested and it works fine if you remove the trailing dash, or if you put something after it
[01:45] <phillw> Sentynel: well, it would have helped if he said which VM he was using :P
[01:45] <phillw> there are three that I know of.
[01:47] <phillw> or, of course, it could be as simple as the VM not having http://en.kioskea.net/faq/859-machine-i686-pc-linux-not-recognized
[01:48] <phillw> the compiler tools do have to be added.
[01:49] <Sentynel> heh, that could well explain it too..
[02:30] <corvus_> Any idea how I restore the default "right click" menu on the desktop in Lubuntu? It's showing me terminal emulator, web browser, etc.
[02:31] <corvus_> Used to show "wallpaper, etc."
[02:31] <corvus_> Not sure how or why it changed.
[02:31] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Right-clicking_on_desktop_pulls_up_a_menu_that_is_missing_the_.22Desktop_Preferences.22_option_and_now_I_can.27t_change_my_wallpaper
[02:31] <Unit193> You changed it.
[02:32] <corvus_> Ah, ok. Don't remember doing it. Thanks so much!
[02:33] <Unit193> Yep.
[03:42] <john_253> hello all
[03:44] <john_253> gnome mplayer how do save settings? size when opens, sound level?
[03:46] <holstein> john_253: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/man1/gnome-mplayer.1.html
[03:47] <holstein> i would just add whatever options to the launcher string
[03:47] <john_253> holstein: ty :)
[03:47] <holstein> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/gnome-mplayer.1.html
[03:48] <holstein> i linked the jaunty one... sorry...
[03:49] <john_253> np thanks
[03:50] <john_253> im new to linux... i was using mint 12 for a week, but lubuntu seems really fast on my netbook
[03:52] <EvilResistance> it should be :P
[03:52] <john_253> is 11.10 supported tell?
[03:53] <holstein> john_253: whats the question?
[03:54] <john_253> nm i found supported tell april 13
[03:54] <john_253> :)
[03:57] <john_253> ty u2 hagn
[04:25] <john_253> hey help plz how do i install java for chromium? thanks
[04:25] <Unit193> !java
[04:26] <john_253> ubottu: ty i'll try
[04:26] <john_253> lol
[04:27] <john_253> so i just need browser plug? for games
[04:27] <theBlakeBrown> I use openjdk and icedtea
[04:27] <theBlakeBrown> for java
[04:28] <Unit193> As long as the games are java, you'll need icedtea or somesuch.
[04:29] <john_253> i click lick does nothing
[04:29] <john_253> link*
[04:30] <john_253> open's a new tab is all
[04:31] <Unit193> Just open a terminal and type    sudo apt-get install icedtea6-plugin
[04:31] <Unit193> Those links don't seem to really work in chromium well.
[04:31] <theBlakeBrown> john_253:  apt-get install openjdk-6-jre icedtea6-plugin
[04:32] <theBlakeBrown> Unit193:  Beat me to it
[04:35] <john_253> worked ty
[04:35] <john_253> :)
[07:35] <mysteriousdarren> my lubuntu install won't update because it says it can't authenticate sources. What do I do?
[08:57] <Guest75777> Hi all. Does anybody know how to enable spellcheck in Sylpheed?
[08:58] <RocheLimit> Hi. I'm having trouble with my Acer Revo running as a media server to a TV. The resolution is fine but I can't get the DPI correct - it is way too small. Xrandr has no effect and I can't get xorg.conf to change things.
[10:13] <fasos> buongiorno a tutto il canale.
[10:20] <fasos> ho un problema con gimp
[10:26] <Unit193> !it | fasos
[10:31] <fasos> sorry
[12:03] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[13:09] <fasos> i have any problem with gimp install in lubuntu
[13:09] <fasos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/871376/
[14:09] <pip__> Hello.  I'm looking for a non-pae mini iso  to try 12.04 on a tc1000 tablet  can anyone point me to that?  Ubuntu +1 aren't saying anything :(
[15:07] <monser> hello
[15:07] <monser> is there a way to convert my ubuntu to lubuntu without new install?
[15:08] <valdur55> install lubuntu-core package
[15:09] <monser> I can not install anything from the repositories
[15:09] <valdur55> it doesn't install additional soft, like abiworld , gnumetric etc...
[15:09] <monser> I have old ubuntu
[15:09] <valdur55> ok, old ubuntu
[15:09] <valdur55> what version?
[15:09] <monser> not sure I think its something like 9.00
[15:09] <monser> how to check
[15:10] <valdur55> lsb_release
[15:10] <valdur55> damn... need lsb modules
[15:10] <valdur55> more /etc/issue
[15:10] <monser> there is file that says what version the os is
[15:11] <monser> but I do not know the name and the location of the file
[15:11] <monser> its 9.10
[15:11] <valdur55> Look on /etc/lsb-release file.. :P...
[15:11] <valdur55> oh.. 9.10
[15:13] <monser> when I try to upgrade to the latest version the installer wants me to remove wine
[15:13] <monser> I do not want that
[15:13] <monser> so I canceled the upgrade
[15:14] <valdur55> but you can install newer  wine
[15:15] <monser> I remember that I had to install additional files with wine in order to make some programs to run
[15:15] <monser> so I things might get real messy
[15:16] <valdur55> monser, ok... but why you don't backup your changes?
[15:16] <monser> I can not remember what exactly those files were
[15:16] <monser> how to back them?
[15:16] <EvilResistance> !9.10
[15:16] <monser> how to backup them?
[15:17] <valdur55> when you make change then write some post about it :)
[15:17] <EvilResistance> monser, your wine settings will probably remain the same
[15:17] <EvilResistance> it needs to remove wine in order to install *new* wine and dependencies
[15:17] <valdur55> Yea, wine is on .wine folder :P.
[15:17] <EvilResistance> that folder is not removed by the installer(s)
[15:18] <Guest11138> Hi all. Could anybody who knows a thing or two about configuring Sylpheed have a look at this please? http://askubuntu.com/questions/110288/sylpheeed-spell-check-non-default-language
[15:18] <Guest11138> Your help is appreciated!
[15:23] <monser> Guest11138, I think you need to find out what spell checking engine is used and what dictionaries
[15:24] <monser> and get eh appropriate dictionary for your language
[15:24] <Guest11138> Well I basically told it to use aspell, and aspell-de for German ist installed
[15:25] <Guest11138> xterm -e apell check %s
[15:25] <Guest11138> *aspell
[15:25] <Guest11138> the default spell check language is "de"
[15:26] <Guest11138> so I don't know why I'm still proposed to replace German words with English ones
[15:27] <Guest11138> the German words aren't getting underlined anymore, but the spell check still doesn't know I'm composing a mail in German
[15:27] <monser> maybe it uses enchant library for spell checking
[15:28] <monser> and can not use aspell
[15:28] <monser> enchant uses open office dictionaries
[15:28] <monser> just guessing
[15:45] <ubi> hi
[15:46] <valdur55> Guest11138, You should look right click menu and maybe there is language selection
[15:47] <ubi> i just installed lubuntu and login screen appears and it wont accept my username and password (altho it shouldn't ask me for it because in installation i checked "log in automatically" box). i am 100% sure i got right usename and password and i watch for caps lock
[15:47] <Guest11138> the proper language "de" is selected
[15:48] <Guest11138> words in German don't get underlined anymore but the spell check using xterm and aspell  only comes up with English words
[15:48] <Guest11138> that's my problem, I want a proper spell check for German in case of typing errors
[15:48] <valdur55> ubi, what version you use?
[15:49] <ubi> 11.10 desktop
[15:49] <ubi> 23 bit
[15:49] <ubi> 32*
[15:50] <valdur55> ohcibi, you can try to log in to terminal
[15:50] <valdur55> Ctrl+Alt+F1
[15:50] <ubi> on login screen?
[15:50] <valdur55> and then write you username and then password
[15:51] <ubi> ok i'll try
[16:05] <ubi> hi
[16:05] <ubi> someone adviced me to login using crtl+alt+F1
[16:06] <ubi> i did that and message appears:
[16:06] <ubi> -bash cannot create temp file for here-document: no space left on device
[16:07] <ubi> terminal accept my username and password but that message appears
[16:07] <valdur55> ok good
[16:08] <valdur55> no space left on device - got some error :)
[16:08] <ubi> yup but i installed lubuntu on partition 10 GB big
[16:08] <ubi> there should be plenty of freespace
[16:09] <valdur55> you was on terminal?
[16:09] <ubi> yes i log in crtl+alt+F1
[16:09] <valdur55> ok. then you can look: df -h
[16:09] <pmatulis> anyone using root-tail here?
[16:09] <ubi> whats that
[16:09] <valdur55> then you see you disk usage :)
[16:09] <valdur55> !info df
[16:09] <valdur55> df - report file system disk space usage
[16:10] <valdur55> copy-pasted from man fg
[16:10] <valdur55> df*
[16:10] <ubi> !info df
[16:10] <ubi> ok ok be back
[16:11] <valdur55> damn!
[16:11] <valdur55> !man df
[16:11] <valdur55> !command df
[16:11] <valdur55> sorry for spam, i missed /msg ubottu ...
[16:25] <ubi> hi
[16:26] <ubi> i enter df -h in terminal and it gives me: "filesystem dev/sda2, size 9.9G, used 9.7G, available 0, uses% 100%, mounted on
[16:26] <valdur55> mounted on what?
[16:27] <ubi> its mounted column, and value is "on"
[16:28] <ubi> it is unbelievable but my partition wizard in windows xp shows me too that partition is 97% full
[16:28] <ubi> idk how because it is freshly installed
[16:28] <valdur55> ohcibi, you installed windows and ubuntu on same part?
[16:28] <valdur55> Used wubi ?
[16:29] <ubi> no, i installed it on separate partition using "install on hard drive", i didn't used wubi
[16:30] <ubi> i runned chkdsk from windows before and after lubuntu installation
[16:31] <ubi> how big is freshly installed lubuntu without programs or anything, it can't be 9.7 GB as it says
[16:33] <ubi> should i post it on forums :)
[16:34] <valdur55> ok, you installed
[16:34] <ubi> i tri did :) full installation
[16:34] <ubi> i did*
[16:37] <valdur55> /dev/sda8              28G  7,0G   20G  27% /    - lol
[16:38] <ubi> your is 7 Gigs big
[16:38] <ubi> and my is fresh and 9.7 gogs big
[16:41] <ubi> something's wrong
[17:07] <leszek> hi
[17:39] <filo1234> hi all
[17:39] <leszek> hi filo1234
[17:40] <filo1234> is it possible to add some button on pcmanfm? on rigth mouse click
[17:40] <leszek> filo1234: not without patching pcmanfm
[17:40] <filo1234> leszek: uhm
[17:40] <valdur55> what feature you need?
[17:40] <leszek> filo1234: there is no addon manager like on thunar for pcmanfm
[17:41] <filo1234> valdur55: I nedd to add a script for some files, when right click mouse is pressed on it
[17:41] <filo1234> leszek: do you have some link for to look how to patch it?
[17:42] <filo1234> if is not trouble....
[17:42] <leszek> filo1234: as an alternative I would suggest to use the open with -> context menu entry to place your script there
[17:42] <valdur55> filo1234, maybe you should use terminal
[17:43] <filo1234> valdur55: yeah I actually have a launcher on menu
[17:44] <valdur55> yes, open with is good point :)
[17:44] <filo1234> leszek: uhmmm not really, because my script is only for dropbox, so for to get public url about files on Public path
[17:45] <filo1234> valdur55: yeah
[17:46] <leszek> filo1234: ah so you want a dropbox integration in pcmanfm
[17:46] <filo1234> leszek: yes I want!! :D
[17:47] <leszek> filo1234: hmm... thats hard to achieve
[17:48] <filo1234> leszek: so in another pc with lubuntu I use shell, dropbox puburl /path/Public/file  but on another pc I have installed dropbox ( for server )
[17:49] <filo1234> and it doean't have nautilus or wathever DM integration, or dropbox plugin command
[17:50] <filo1234> so I made a script :p
[17:51] <filo1234> leszek: ok no problem, I'll use my launcher from menu, I'm not really stay 24 hour on, linking public link :p
[18:26] <matmeihofer> Hey, I'm using the latest version of Lubuntu, and everything was working good for the past few weeks, but all of a sudden everything got bigger, I tried adjusting the monitor settings, and still no luck.
[18:26] <matmeihofer> The resolution is at 1024x768
[18:27] <valdur55> lspci | grep VGA
[18:27] <valdur55> then we get your video card model :P
[18:27] <matmeihofer> should I enter : lspci | grep VGA inside of lxterminal?
[18:28] <valdur55> matmeihofer, yea!
[18:28] <matmeihofer> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
[18:29] <valdur55> And you have lubuntu 11.10 ?
[18:29] <matmeihofer> Yes.
[18:32] <matmeihofer> could it be the monitor? Should I try adjusting the settings on the monitor it's self?
[18:32] <matmeihofer> Because the windows/icons are pretty huge.
[18:32] <valdur55> Montior settings ;)
[18:32] <Unit193> Check DPI?
[18:33] <Unit193> Also, just to make sure, sudo lshw -C video  and use !pastebin for the output.
[18:38] <thor_> phillw lsc will not install libreoffice write, it simple not show in the apps basket
[18:42] <thor_> phillw do not know if this is a bug
[18:45] <thor_> rbnielsen: hej en dansker her inde
[18:45] <rbnielsen> Mojn. :p
[18:46] <thor_> ah en fynbo
[18:46] <thor_> mojn
[18:46] <rbnielsen> Rettere jyde, men ja. :p
[18:47] <thor_> rbnielsen:  jeg er også jyde
[18:47] <rbnielsen> En åndsfælle. :)
[18:49] <thor_> rbnielsen:  ja også i sådan en grad
[18:49] <Myrtti> english please
[18:49] <thor_> :-D
[18:49] <rbnielsen> :)
[18:49] <thor_> Myrtti: sorry its only because we talk a little
[18:53] <thor_> rbnielsen:  a vil æ snak mere dansk :)
[19:20] <rbnielsen> Aight.. I'm giving up on my googling.
[19:21] <sharkguy2> hey. new user here. trying to change the screen timeout, but the 'power settings' is not displaying in the main menu. sorry for being so new. this is 10.04. power management is checked in the main screen config diaqlog though...its just not displaying on the menu
[19:21] <rbnielsen> Am I correct in my assumption that in the newest version on Lubuntu, that the mute button doesn't unmute on a Thinkpad?
[19:21] <thor_> rbnielsen:  what are you google about
[19:22] <rbnielsen> :)
[19:22] <thor_> rbnielsen: unmute use mintinput get it on launchpad
[19:23] <rbnielsen> Uhuh.. I'll look that up then.
[19:23] <rbnielsen> :)
[19:23] <thor_> rbnielsen:  sorry i misunderstood
[19:23] <rbnielsen> :o
[19:23] <smile4ever> :o :o
[19:24] <epictetus> ssd md raid-0 install lubuntu worked great with alternate cd iso
[19:24] <epictetus> bonnie gives sustained read speeds of over 1000 megabytes/second write around 500
[19:25] <rbnielsen> I've just updated to oneiric, and now when I press the mute button on my thinkpad, I can mute the sound, however it won't unmute.
[19:25] <rbnielsen> I have to unmute either through the sound settings or sound panel.
[19:25] <Konstantinos> Hi guys I cannot seem to install Samba4 I get this error among others ProvisioningError: guess_names: 'realm =' was not specified in supplied /etc/samba/smb.conf.  Please remove the smb.conf file and let provision generate it
[19:25] <Konstantinos> dpkg: error processing samba4 (--configure):
[19:25] <Konstantinos>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[19:26] <rbnielsen> Of course that works, but it's sort of annoying. ;)
[19:26] <thor_> rbnielsen: If you are looking for programs then is launchpad a good place to look
[19:26] <epictetus> it's bizarre that it would mute and not unmute, i have no idea what program is actually doing the muting
[19:27] <epictetus> i don't think it is alsa directly, i think some other package is detecting your keyboard has a mute key and binding it
[19:28] <rbnielsen> But.. How can it work in one direction, and not in the other?
[19:29] <rbnielsen> If something is binding it, I'd suppose it wouldn't work altogether.
[19:29] <epictetus> ooh
[19:29] <Konstantinos> Can anyone help with Samba4 problem?
[19:30] <smile4ever> bye :)
[19:30] <rbnielsen> When I press the button, it mutes. But when I press it again, it won't unmute.
[19:30] <epictetus> Konstantinos: no specific knowledge but it sounds like you can try deleting your /etc/samba/smb.conf file ? (back it up first if you need it ) and then re-run whatever package installer / whatever you are running to install samba 4
[19:30] <sparcm> what's the problem with samba?
[19:31] <epictetus> Konstantinos: just reading your error message and telling you to do exactly what it says lol :P
[19:31] <Konstantinos> ok I think I have tried that again but I will do that now to check it again.
[19:32] <epictetus> otherwise i don't remember the dpkg commandline options but it's like dpkg --install --force-all --ignore-errors --please-fuck-off-and-just-install-the-package-please   package.deb
[19:33] <epictetus> rbnielsen: hmm
[19:34] <Myrtti> please mind the language - we try to keep the channel discussions suitable for any age group who might be interested in Lubuntu :-)
[19:36] <Konstantinos> ok I am removing previews install and I am reinstalling ( I also removed manually the .conf file
[19:39] <Konstantinos> I have this as an output : ProvisioningError: guess_names: 'realm =' was not specified in supplied /etc/samba/smb.conf.  Please remove the smb.conf file and let provision generate it
[19:39] <Konstantinos> dpkg: error processing samba4 (--configure):
[19:39] <Konstantinos>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[19:39] <Konstantinos> Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
[19:39] <Konstantinos> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[19:39] <Konstantinos> Processing triggers for python-support ...
[19:39] <Konstantinos> Errors were encountered while processing:
[19:39] <Konstantinos>  samba4
[19:39] <Konstantinos> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:42] <Konstantinos> any ideas?
[19:43] <epictetus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba4/+bug/857394
[19:44] <epictetus> that page seems to have some people that claim to have fixed it by manually adding a realm= line to smb.conf and then restarting the samba service
[19:44] <Konstantinos> ok I will try this now and let you know
[19:45] <epictetus> i.e. realm = workgroupfoo
[19:45] <epictetus> then apt-get -f install also
[20:08] <Konstantinos> ok I did that again but still the same error
[20:08] <Konstantinos> ProvisioningError: guess_names: 'realm =' was not specified in supplied /etc/samba/smb.conf.  Please remove the smb.conf file and let provision generate it
[20:08] <Konstantinos> dpkg: error processing samba4 (--configure):
[20:08] <Konstantinos>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[20:08] <Konstantinos> No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already
[20:08] <Konstantinos>                                                               Errors were encountered while processing:
[20:08] <Konstantinos>  samba4
[20:08] <Konstantinos> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:09] <Konstantinos> I checked the conf file and it has still the value I used
[21:06] <njin> bug 948121
[21:16] <njin> bug 947433
[23:49] <E3D3> How do I install ps2pdf ? I can't find it in Synaptic or with apt-get.
[23:54] <Unit193> !find ps2pdf
[23:54] <KaiSforza> E3D3: build it from source?
[23:56] <E3D3> KaiSforza: Is that really necessary ? I'll try other ways. Thanks.
[23:56] <KaiSforza> E3D3: it's already installed for me
[23:56] <E3D3> Unit193: hu !? Still bussy checking it. Thanks
[23:57] <KaiSforza> yeah
[23:57] <KaiSforza> E3D3: type "man ps2pdf"
[23:58] <E3D3> KaiSforza: Ahum, Its there but apt-get can't find the packet ?
[23:58] <KaiSforza> E3D3: hmm...
[23:59] <E3D3> KaiSforza: Normally it says that its allready installed, isn't it ?
[23:59] <E3D3> Wha, the command works. I'm so sorry. I can't find it but the command it cleary there. SORRY


[22:42] <NewtoU> I need to install Ubunto on a win 98 laptop that has EITHER ( XOR) a CD or a floppy, and it seems the Ubuntu CD will not run at all in this laptop
[22:42] <pihhan> izinucs: yes, because that filtering is somehow cpu intensive and they would not make it, they have limited cpu often
[22:42] <KenBW> NewtoU: you need to use the Alternate install CD
[22:43] <jrib> Serway: bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-new-wave/anton/devel.icons should work
[22:43] <bobertdos> !alternate > NewtoU
[22:43] <slaterock> alright, for realz
[22:43] <NewtoU> KenBW , can you link me
[22:43] <slaterock> any fix on the ati/flicker problem?
[22:43] <Serway> jrib thakns mate
[22:43] <elmo_> how do i install my graphics card drivers?
[22:43] <izinucs> ballzee, pihhan if it's the only computer there is a program called dansguardian that will give content, ip, & website filtering..
[22:43] <NewtoU> ubottu my silly java client doesnot seem to get private mesages
[22:44] <LjL> !alternate | NewtoU
[22:44] <grout> what do i type so i can get what version im installing of an app in apt?
[22:44] <BenB> Have you seen |ls| use 500 MB RAM, without having gone astray, just normal operation?
[22:44] <jrib> grout: apt-cache policy PACKAGE
[22:44] <LjL> grout: apt-cache policy packagename
[22:44] <jrib> !apt > grout
[22:44] <BenB> Just happened: ls -1 for a directory with 2,500,000 files (spam folder)
[22:44] <grout> thanks
[22:45] <slaterock> anyone know of a fix for ati opengl flickering?
[22:45] <ballzee> its the only pc i just want to stop my g/f from going on her stupid web pages
[22:45] <izinucs> BenB, sounds like you need to  rm /spam/folder/*
[22:45] <moonloong> does anyone know a usb wireless stick i can buy at bestbuy today that works?
[22:45] <usser> ballzee, if shes not very techie u can do the following
[22:45] <izinucs> moonloong, almost all of them?.. never had an issue.
[22:46] <BenB> izinucs: that won't work - the shell does not take 2,500,500 arguments :)
[22:46] <maestrojed> Am I correct that the only way to achieve root level access in ubuntu is sudo.  I can not log in as root, right?
[22:46] <BenB> izinucs: you'll have to rm -rf spam/folder/
[22:46] <usser> ballzee, in firefox create a nonexisting proxy and the site that u want her to be able to access to the list of exceptions
[22:46] <izinucs> BenB, true :)
[22:46] <BenB> izinucs: but, no, there may be ham, so I tarred it :)
[22:46] <jrib> maestrojed: not by default, that is correct.  And you can do everything you need to with sudo
[22:46] <LjL> maestrojed: that's correct
[22:46] <moonloong> izinucs wow you're lucky
[22:46] <BenB> izinucs: you need 4 GB of spam, by any chance?
[22:46] <BenB> (gzipped 4 GB)
[22:46] <bobertdos> maestrojed: correct, sudo -i or -s can be used for permanent root prompts though.
[22:47] <amorphous_> Hello evry1 - could anyone suggest a way to get the res of my screen up to spec?  I'm only offered 640x480 or 320x240, but should be 1024x800.
[22:47] <moonloong> i bought a supposedly supported one from linksys today, using the rt73 chip, and it is recognized, but won
[22:47] <moonloong> won't attach to any network
[22:47] <izinucs> BenB, I gave up my cookbook years ago.. however you could donate it to the annual festival
[22:47] <maestrojed> ok, but my sudo is messed up.  I get an error that /etc/sudoers has the wrong permissions (0770 instead of 0440) but I can not change them since I am not root
[22:47] <amorphous_> I've installed proprietry (nvidia) drivers  - was wroking before, but new monitor isn't detected in hardy
[22:47] <amorphous_> :(
[22:47] <BenB> izinucs: sure? where do I send it? URL?
[22:48] <doctorzongo> maestrojed: go to System -> Administration -> Login Window -> Security Tab
[22:48] <doctorzongo> maestrojed and check "login as root"
[22:48] <Yonnie> hey guys, was wondering if i had to install ubuntu on my laptop would it i have lots of problems with drivers or anything like that because if trying installing an os on a laptop before and had a few problems
[22:48] <compguy379> how can i fix compiz so that my desktop comes back after a suspend?
[22:48] <moonloong> izinucs: which one have you bought?
[22:48] <BenB> izinucs: you know what's sad? that I get this amount of spam within a year.
[22:48] <slick_rick> hello all
[22:49] <doctorzongo> maestrojed: then go to System -> Administration -> Users and Groups, and change your root password ... then log out, and log in as root :-)
[22:49] <izinucs> BenB, http://www.spam.com/museum/spam_jams.aspx
[22:49] <NewtoU> kenBW I see on the Ubunto mainpage a check box i overlooked.  is that how I get the alternet install?
[22:49] <slick_rick> trying to get some help with wine, specifically running counter strike source..
[22:49] <doctorzongo> Yonnie: just turn off "external amplifiers" for sound ... other then that, it should be fine
[22:49] <slick_rick> anyone familiar?
[22:49] <KenBW> NewtoU: yea
[22:49] <BenB> izinucs: ah, nice to know
[22:49] <KenBW> NewtoU: its UbuntU btw :P
[22:49] <maestrojed> doctorzongo: ok I will give that a try.  I just wish I could fix the permissions on /etc/sudoers
[22:50] <Yonnie> doctorzongo: wat do u mean external amlifiers?
[22:50] <asathoor> where is my trashbin in Hardy? I cannot find it via a terminal...
[22:50] <slick_rick> i've installed and am running steam at this point and have install css but it just wont run
[22:50] <NewtoU> Great thanks KenBW.  Thanks all.  see ya
[22:50] <bobertdos> !trash | asathoor
[22:50] <izinucs> moonloong, I have a 4gb sony and a 2gb Adata
[22:50] <doctorzongo> Yonnie: speakers. unless of course, you have speakers for your laptop
[22:50] <usser> doctorzongo, you can boot into live cd mount your hdd and do chmod on sudoers file
[22:50] <asathoor> thanx :)
[22:50] <moonloong> izinucs: ? I mean a usb wireless stick. For accessing wireless networks...
[22:50] <AnonymousOne> help, please http://pastebin.com/d23cf7794
[22:51] <Yonnie> doctorzongo: u saying my sound wont work if i use internal speakers?
[22:51] <doctorzongo> Yonnie: no, it will ... but by default Ubuntu assumes you have speakers. on some laptops
[22:52] <AnonymousOne> anyone know?
[22:52] <asathoor> ... finally I could empty the trash bin ... :D
[22:52] <NewtoU> Hey KenBW, i got another question.  got a sec?
[22:52] <doctorzongo> yonnie: you may have to change it ...go to System -> Preferences -> Sound, and see if you need to change sound output device ... then it will work :-)
[22:52] <KenBW> NewtoU: yup
[22:52] <soleblaze> Has anyone here experienced or know of Xorg/X taking up a lot of resources when your screen is updated (such as running something in a terminal that updates frequently) Xorg takes up an extra 15-20% resources with me just running conky..I
[22:53] <slick_rick> can anyone here help me running counter strike source via wine?
[22:53] <AnonymousOne> Can someone please look at http://pastebin.com/d23cf7794 ? I'm sorry for being slightly pushy, but my time is limited
[22:53] <izinucs> moonloong, sorry I missunderstood .. I have a Belkin F5d7050  .. I had to grab the adaptor then find my reading glasses then find a magnyfing glass..
[22:53] <tigran> Hi. I'm trying to change my resolution to 96dpi but I cant seem to do it. Heres the output of some info: http://rafb.net/p/BVea3881.html Heres my xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/HyCox485.html
[22:53] <moonloong> izinucs: lol ok
[22:53] <KenBW> NewtoU: shoot
[22:53] <bobertdos> slick_rick #winehq might be a better place for that
[22:53] <ballzee> id rather block her with ip tables but dont know how to put it
[22:53] <NewtoU> KenBW ok, what is the fast/easy way to get my laptop HD to be bootable with CD drivers so i can get to this new UbuntU CD?
[22:53] <slick_rick> oh ok. sorry
[22:54] <LjL> soleblaze: well, yes, i've seen behavior like that in top... but i suspect it's only for a very brief time, see with "uptime" whether or not it's actually hogging your system...
[22:54] <moonloong> so does anyone know a good usb wireless stick i can buy that works w/o ndiswrapper and i can buy at bestbuy today (not last year's model)?
[22:54] <izinucs> ballzee, you're really looking for a fight huh?
[22:54] <KenBW> NewtoU: you mean it wont boot from CD?
[22:54] <NewtoU> KenBW it will not
[22:54] <Agent_bob> so  easy to configure mail server ?
[22:54] <bobertdos> AnonymousOne: Do you have both those packages installed?
[22:54] <joshuajtl> can anyone help me set up a usb wireless mouse on my laptop? it used to work, but now when I plug it in it doesnt, though dmesg sees it
[22:54] <KenBW> NewtoU: not sure how being old affects things, but your BIOS is probably the best place to tlook
[22:54] <AnonymousOne> bobertdos: I guess not?
[22:54] <bobertdos> AnonymousOne: er, wait
[22:55] <abe3k> how can I change the focused window from the terminal ?
[22:55] <KenBW> NewtoU: the boot sequence will probably be set to Floppy, then Hard Drive. then CD
[22:55] <Setherd> Where might I go to get help installing an XBox 360 gamepad?
[22:55] <izinucs> Setherd, www.ubuntuforums.org
[22:55] <Setherd> izinucs, No luck.
[22:56] <LjL> abe3k: the best i can think of off hands is to use something that generates fake mouseclicks
[22:56] <sacabonos> Guys, when I go full screen on youtube and then I try to go out of full screen the image freeze and I hear only the sound, the image also fill the screen so I can't see the desktop
[22:56] <AnonymousOne> bobertdos: where do I set them to "y"
[22:56] <bitf> I can't run flash heavy sites of youtube videos on Firefox, does anyone know why?
[22:56] <PerfectExodus> is Mono the best program for running .net programs?
[22:56] <ballzee> well in iptables i figure ill just tell her the site is down or verizon blocks it
[22:56] <NewtoU> KenBW the Bios is the latest and very old.  I need to format the drive with something like a DOS that has universal CD drivers.  I cannot use the floppy AND the CD at the same time
[22:56] <LjL> PerfectExodus: perhaps also the only one...
[22:56] <abe3k> LjL : even change workspaces ? :P
[22:57] <joshuajtl> can anyone help me set up a usb wireless mouse on my laptop? it used to work, but now when I plug it in it doesnt, though dmesg sees it
[22:57] <KenBW> NewtoU: i don't really know alot about this, but you could try looking at the setup
[22:57] <BenB> soleblaze: in general, X uses a lot of CPU time. top shows 5000 hours for me within 7 days (huch?), 10 times more than kwin or firefox.
[22:57] <NewtoU> KenBW I thought bootdisk.org but thought you guys might have an idea
[22:57] <izinucs> Setherd, maybe this will help   http://www.stolennotebook.com/anthony/2008/09/13/using-xbmc-for-linux-with-an-xbox-360-wireless-controller-and-the-userspace-usb-driver-xboxdrv/
[22:57] <bobertdos> AnonymousOne: I don't know if I can come up with a trustworthy answer for this, actually.
[22:58] <LjL> abe3k: well it's easy if you just want to cycle through them... (same goes for window focus), just emulate the keyboard shortcut that does it. but if you want to go to a *specific* window or a *specific* workspace, i'm really not sure
[22:58] <AnonymousOne> ok
[22:58] <LjL> it's an interesting question though
[22:58] <Agent_bob> NewtoU boot issue ?
[22:58] <BenB> soleblaze: I current have 3-6% with top running in terminal, Konqueror and XMMS.
[22:58] <abe3k> LjL : I get you
[22:59] <abe3k> LjL: ok how can I make the terminal above all windows ?
[22:59] <abe3k> LjL: from the terminal I mean
[22:59] <tigran> Hi. I'm trying to change my resolution to 96dpi but I cant seem to do it. Heres the output of some info: http://rafb.net/p/BVea3881.html Heres my xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/HyCox485.html
[23:00] <soleblaze> Benb: just keeping 3 terminals open that are being updated every half second or so causes Xorg to spike up to 40% or so
[23:00] <azntom08> i need help installing flash onto my ubuntu os
[23:00] <LjL> abe3k: that can be done if you're using xterm
[23:00] <LjL> !info xtermcontrol | abe3k
[23:00] <Setherd> izinucs, I tried that.  When I execute xboxdrv, it tells me that it can't create the USB interface.
[23:00] <bobertdos> !flash | azntom08
[23:00] <AnonymousOne> What module is config_packet in?
[23:00] <AnonymousOne> erm
[23:00] <soleblaze> Benb: if I have firefox and pidgin open at the same time, then my computer becomes useless..even if firefox and pidgin aren't doing anything more than sitting there displaying
[23:00] <abe3k> LjL: aight thanks :)
[23:01] <sacabonos> Guys, when I go full screen on youtube and then I try to go out of full screen the image freeze and I hear only the sound, the image also fill the screen so I can't see the desktop
[23:01] <AnonymousOne> What module is config_packet and config_filter in
[23:01] <soleblaze> benb: that's with the 3 terminals
[23:01] <KenBW> NewtoU: hows it going
[23:01] <bobertdos> !find config_packet
[23:01] <AnonymousOne> O_o
[23:01] <bobertdos> AnonymousOne: I guess I'd search the repos.
[23:01] <Agent_bob> anyone have reccomendations on setting up a mail server ?
[23:01] <moonloong> bah
[23:01] <AnonymousOne> bobertdos: I couldnt find anything :\
[23:02] <NewtoU> KenBW I gonna try bootdisks.org.   I keep getting "cannot read from source" error
[23:03] <Frijolie> the DVD has been mounted on my desktop but for some reason it won't play the DVD
[23:04] <Frijolie> DVD/Movie
[23:04] <KenBW> Agent_bob: i suspect cos he's dealing with his old PC
[23:04] <joshuajtl> please could someone tell me how to manually set up a usb wireless mouse on ubuntu (laptop)
[23:04] <bobertdos> Frijolie: Is it an official movie?
[23:04] <Frijolie> bobertdos: yes, from the video rental place
[23:04] <maestrojed> If I go to System->Administration->Login Window (or anything else) they do not load. I get a "Starting Login Window" in the bottom task bar but then it goes away and a program never appears.  Any other suggestions. Doctorzongo: this happened when I was trying your suggestion so I don't have an update for you :)
[23:04] <Agent_bob> KenBW prolly.   ;/
[23:04] <izinucs> Frijolie, if you don't have the restricted extras then it won't play
[23:04] <Frijolie> i got those from medibunut
[23:04] <LjL> !dvd | Frijolie
[23:04] <maestrojed> Normal apps (not adminstrative) do load just fine
[23:05] <bobertdos> Frijolie: Well, I think medibuntu is down right now, but if/when it comes back up, you'll also need libdvdcss2
[23:05] <Frijolie> I've got libdvdcss2...well lemme check again
[23:05] <demontager> how to issui init 3 in Ubuntu?
[23:05] <bobertdos> Frijolie: and dvdread and dvdnav......Otherwise, the disc might be damaged
[23:05] <Agent_bob> maestrojed open a terminal and enter# sudo echo boo
[23:05] <LjL> bobertdos: it's not down
[23:05] <demontager> I want to install Nvidia driver
[23:06] <Agent_bob> maestrojed if it doesn't boo at you it's sudo issue.
[23:06] <jaksa> i want to know how Gloobus works?
[23:06] <KenBW> Agent_bob: thats the best diagnostic ive seen in ages
[23:06] <maestrojed> Agent_bob: that is kind of how this started.  I can not sudo. It says /etc/sudoer has the wrong permissions (0777 instead of 0440) but I can not fix that because I can not sudo
[23:06] <izinucs> demontager, have you tried the driver that comes with ubuntu.. the nvidia restricted driver?
[23:06] <bobertdos> LjL: Okay good, because it was about an hour ago, someone said.
[23:06] <LjL> maestrojed: you need to boot into recovery mode (that's a choice in the GRUB boot menu) and fix it from there
[23:06] <BenB> soleblaze: I wouldn't have a terminal update every half second! terminals are just not suited for that, use a GUI.
[23:06] <Smokalotapotamus> I have a question the internet has not answered
[23:06] <demontager> i want install Beta the latest
[23:07] <Agent_bob> maestrojed fix sudo and you fix admin apps.
[23:07] <Smokalotapotamus> is there a different room I should go to for that?
[23:07] <LjL> maestrojed: do you have a clue why sudoers might have the wrong permissions, anyway? that really sounds like something that shouldn't happen spontaneously
[23:07] <joshuajtl> anyone please?
[23:07] <hardcorelinux> maestrojed, you could do boot off with single and drop to a root shell and fix the perms
[23:07] <maestrojed> LjL: okay, I have tried that but I can not get to the GRUB boot menu :(  How do I do it? I thought you just hold down ESC during boot
[23:07] <Frijolie> libdvdcss2 is already the newest version
[23:07] <izinucs> demontager, if you really want to do that then ctrl+alt+ F2.. log in.. and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop... install driver . then .... sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[23:07] <LjL> Smokalotapotamus: well, i don't know what the question is, so i doubt i could tell
[23:07] <Setherd> xboxdrv reports, "Exception: Error couldn't claim the USB interface."
[23:08] <LjL> maestrojed: uhm, rather, try hitting Esc like mad, rather than keeping it pressed
[23:08] <demontager> why no posible go out from x from terminal?
[23:08] <maestrojed> LjL: I am probably at fault for messing up the permissions.  I don' remember why I was messing with it but I built this machine to learn on have have played with a lot of things.  My bad :)
[23:08] <Frijolie> you don't need to logout/back in after installing libdvdcss2 right?
[23:08] <LjL> maestrojed: and "during boot" means "just when the BIOS is about to hand off control", not "after Ubuntu is booting already"
[23:08] <maestrojed> LjL: ok
[23:08] <Redhammer> hi I am looking for combined firewall / network gui -- something like the windows type firewalls that also monitor applications, if it exists like so in linux
[23:08] <izinucs> demontager, but of course there is a disclaimer....  I rm it, all files are gone in .local/share/trash/files/ but they persist in the trash can and I don't have permission to delete them
[23:09] <demontager> yes, i want try it
[23:09] <maestrojed> hardcorelinux: I am going to try this recovery mode suggestion.  I may come back to you and beg more details on your suggestion :)
[23:09] <MrCollins> Smokalotapotamus, sudo
[23:09] <demontager> in mandriva i run it normal
[23:09] <Smokalotapotamus> did that
[23:09] <Smokalotapotamus> the files are gone in that directory
[23:09] <izinucs> demontager, terminal and a different tty are different things.. you can't have x running when install the nvidia drivers.
[23:09] <Smokalotapotamus> but they persist in gnome
[23:09] <tyberion> hey all, ive got a little problem, maybe someone can help me.. why cant I just close a window of mxrvt which runs vim in it? always need to close vim first:/
[23:10] <Smokalotapotamus> I don't get it
[23:10] <demontager> init 3 . Is it possible in Ubuntu?
[23:10] <nagyv> anyone knows how to set rhythmbox buffer size? I've found this, but the asound sample file doesn't exist. https://answers.launchpad.net/rhythmbox/+question/6927
[23:10] <sacabonos> Guys, when I go full screen on youtube and then I try to go out of full screen the image freeze and I hear only the sound, the image also fill the screen so I can't see the desktop
[23:10] <hardcorelinux> maestrojed, remember that /etc/sudoers is 440 perm
[23:10] <izinucs> !init | demontager
[23:11] <Agent_bob> hardcorelinux heh my /etc/sudoers is 777
[23:11] <demontager> !init 3 right? And X will be stopped?
[23:11] <izinucs> demontager, I don't know....just easier to do it the way I told you.
[23:11] <hardcorelinux> Agent_bob, that doesn't look right, can a normal user edit it?
[23:12] <demontager> ok
[23:12] <maestrojed> Is it possible that hitting ESC to get to GRUB does not work because my keyboard is USB?
[23:12] <Agent_bob> hardcorelinux sure.  but it only has one line in it.  ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[23:12] <Agent_bob> maestrojed yes. it is possable.
[23:12] <hardcorelinux> Agent_bob, so when you sudo, no password is asked?
[23:12] <bobertdos> Agent_bob: You like to live dangerously, I see :)
[23:13] <patrik> Hi, Im setting up a br0 interface in my /etc/network/interfaces to use with my kvm machines. Unfortunetly it adds a default route for all traffic to that subnet. How can I prevent this?
[23:13] <Agent_bob> hardcorelinux correct.    but you can't su/sudo anyway.  whole system is nosuid
[23:13] <Agent_bob> bobertdos   ^
[23:14] <lost_boy432> I have a problem mounting my external hdd, can anyone help please?
[23:14] <hardcorelinux> Agent_bob, /usr/bin/passwd?
[23:14] <Agent_bob> hardcorelinux whole system.
[23:14] <jrib> lost_boy432: what filesystem?
[23:14] <LjL> maestrojed: well, i can't exclude it, but it would seem strange to me
[23:14] <alecwh> How do I (as painlessly as possible) permanently switch my user account to the root account?
[23:14] <hardcorelinux> lost_boy432, what is the error in 'dmesg' after you plug-in the drive?
[23:14] <LjL> alecwh: you WHAT?
[23:14] <Agent_bob> lost_boy432 sudo mount /dev/device_node /mount/point
[23:15] <izinucs> alecwh, install windows :)
[23:15] <bobertdos> alecwh: No offense, but that's just about the worst idea ever.
[23:15] <jrib> alecwh: that's a terrible idea.  Why do you think you want to do that?
[23:15] <alecwh> I just want to be root, it's an ego thing. =P
[23:15] <Commie_Cary> izinucs: did you jsut say install windows
[23:15] <Agent_bob> alecwh so you want to make windows 95 out of your linux system ?
[23:15] <joshuajtl> please could someone tell me how to manually set up a usb wireless mouse on ubuntu (laptop)
[23:15] <jrib> alecwh: make your username "betterthanroot"
[23:15] <alecwh> No, I want to make MYSELF able to do what I want on my computer.
[23:16] <izinucs> Commie_Cary, to alecwh 's question.. how to permanently switch user account to root permanently
[23:16] <Agent_bob> !sudo > alecwh
[23:16] <KenBW> alecwh: what do you think sudo does?
[23:16] <AnonymousOne> when I go to load af_packet , it doesnt load
[23:16] <AnonymousOne> :|
[23:16] <kelder> alecwh: you already can, but then all your programs can also - its really a bad idea
[23:16] <AnonymousOne> sudo modprobe af_packet
[23:16] <AnonymousOne> returns that it could not find it
[23:16] <AnonymousOne> anyplace to download it
[23:16] <kingbilly> i can't install python-gnome2-extras, i heard this was a problem with libgdl-gnome that would be worked out soon, has anyone had success?
[23:16] <alecwh> I know what sudo does, that switches permissions to root TEMPORARILY. I want a permanent switch. I know it's a bad idea, but I still want to do it, will someone help me with it?
[23:17] <LjL> alecwh, find help in some other place.
[23:17] <Smokalotapotamus> log in as root
[23:17] <LjL> alecwh: this is not the channel to help you with your ego
[23:17] <Smokalotapotamus> it's the best tihng EVER
[23:17] <alecwh> LjL: Hah, okay...
[23:17] <AnonymousOne> alecwh: sudo -i
[23:18] <Agent_bob> alecwh no you dont.   but i'll tell you how to enable root login so you can screw your self with it.    sudo passwd root   # set the password and edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and find the line about root login and enable it.
[23:18] <elmo_> does any1 know were to get ubuntu graphics card drivers
[23:18] <Agent_bob> alecwh and don't come back here asking for help when you break things.
[23:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> I knwo this is unrelated, but i need a p2p that has a good userbase...i tried gtk-gnutella and it was outdated from the repos, right now i'm using frostwire which is ok but it sucks for indie-classical stuff, i need a suggestion for the best p2p app that i can sudo apt-get
[23:18] <bobertdos> Agent_bob: If an op were in the channel right now, they'd probably trout slap you for doing what you just did.
[23:19] <alecwh> I'm not using my main computer, this is just my laptop. The contents thereof are not important to me, I just want to have root privileges, for "experimentation". Jeez, it's not a huge deal.
[23:19] <Agent_bob> bobertdos there are ops here.
[23:19] <LjL> alecwh: logging into X as root is a terrible idea, using root for stuff that needs it is a bad idea, "sudo -i" lets you do anything when you need to and that's a so-so-idea, asking about it in here is an idea i won't comment on.
[23:19] <alecwh> Agent_bob: read above
[23:19] <Agent_bob> alecwh i've said all i'm going to about it.  it's your system.
[23:19] <alecwh> Guys, I KNOW it's a terrible idea, I don't plan on doing this on a machine that MATTERS. I just want to have fun, you could say.
[23:19] <LjL> Agent_bob, yes, there are ops, and honestly i'd rather you didn't explain that, but oh well.
[23:20] <Agent_bob> ljl i wouldn't normally,  but this guy says he wants to learn the hard way.
[23:20] <solstralen> Just tried to install ubuntu on an acer laptop, but something is giving me trouble. puppylinux and a debian live cd have no trouble configuring X, but ubuntu has some trouble.
[23:20] <LjL> alecwh: well, you've been given the - correct - way, i hope what you said now is really true.
[23:20] <sjovan> frankie__: so, did everything work out right in the end?
[23:21] <mister> hi
[23:21] <patrik> solstralen: What graphics card do you have?
[23:21] <solstralen> I believe there might be trouble with the fast-user-switch applet, is there a way to disable that using the terminal
[23:21] <Bryce> Does anyone have any experience with Remastersys or Reconstructor?
[23:21] <LjL> Agent_bob: yes, i can understand that point of view
[23:21] <solstralen> @patrik: It's an ATI card (unfortunately)
[23:21] <alecwh> It feels like I'm asking for the secret to get into Hogwarts is, but thanks a lot anyway Agent_bob.
[23:21] <Bryce> I need to make an Ubuntu Live CD with some certain programs pre-installed.
[23:22] <mister> how can i start pppoeconf on ubuntu 8.04??
[23:22] <alecwh> asking what the secret to get into*
[23:22] <dr_willis> solstralen,  i dont see how that would be affecting configuration of X.   Its possible the version of X ubuntu is using - is causing some issues. and the automatic configuration fetures.. You could try the working debian xorg.conf under ubuntu
[23:22] <Agent_bob> alecwh heh.  happy burial to your pinguin  :)))
[23:22]  * dr_willis recalls windows having many more 'secrets' then linux. :P
[23:23] <kwyjibo> does gDesklets work? I installed it but nothing happens when i launch it. showing the widget layer just dims the screen.
[23:23] <mrkris> anyone know of a fix for the debootstrap `hanging' issue dealing with locales ?
[23:23] <gwyo> please help. I tried to plug in my laptop to an external monitor and now my laptop's built-in screen defaults to 800x600! I can't change it either
[23:23] <dr_willis> kwyjibo,  it adds an icon to the panel/systray thing.. and you then have it load applets I recall
[23:23] <bobertdos> dr_willis: Probably true, but you know.........:p
[23:23] <patrik> solstralen: So you can actually get into X and running it? If you get a white screen when switching users with the fast switcher I recommend getting the latest updates. I had the same problem a while ago but It some upgrade fixed it.
[23:23] <alecwh> Doesn't Gentoo give the user root privileges? It's not like every Gentoo user goes down in flames...
[23:23] <maestrojed> LjL and Agent_bob: I think that is an issue now.  I don't think my USB keyboard is working until Ubuntu installs.  I tested by booting off the liveCD.  When it gets to the GRUB menu for LiveCD I can not change my options (the keyboard is not working).  Is there anything I can do besides go buy an old PS/2 keyboard?
[23:23] <kwyjibo> dr_willis: I'm not seeing any new icon, though
[23:24] <mister> how can i start pppoeconf on ubuntu 8.04??
[23:24] <Agent_bob> maestrojed that is a bios short comming.
[23:24] <gwyo> i don't understand why plugging monitors in and out makes ubuntu freak the F out
[23:24] <dr_willis> maestrojed,  try the 'legacy usb' option in the bios.. I have 2 machines that i MUST use a ps2 keyboard  to twidlle with gryb.
[23:24] <LjL> maestrojed: oh uhm that's weird, but check your BIOS, maybe there is an option to enable detection of USB keyboards
[23:24] <Agent_bob> maestrojed i have seen that a time or two.   but it's not common.
[23:25] <bobertdos> alecwh: We don't mean to act like we're keeping it a "government secret" or anything, it's just that Ubuntu is kind of a distro intended to protect inexperienced users from themselves, you see.
[23:25] <solstralen> @dr_willis: At first I didn't even get the desktop running (blank screen with pointer), but after copying the xorg.conf file from debian, I could get to the desktop from the recovery console. Ubuntu then gave me an warning about the fast-user-switch applet. In regular user mode, I got to the desktop, but the keyboard is unresponsive and the "application" bar at the top hung very quickly. Then the whole system stopped responding.
[23:25] <LjL> bobertdos: no *experienced* user would log into X as root.
[23:26] <dr_willis> solstralen,  sounds like some very weird issues.  I imagine the warning was just a quirk and not really part of the problem.. but a sympton of a bigger problem
[23:26] <bobertdos> LjL: exactly, which is what we're trying to get through to him :p
[23:26] <gwyo> my laptop keeps booting into failsafe mode, why??
[23:26] <maestrojed> HA! I can not check the bios because I can not use the keyboard to tell the bios config to run!
[23:26] <patrik> solstralen: try changing the xorg driver to vesa or ati
[23:26] <LjL> maestrojed: err, point.
[23:27] <dr_willis> maestrojed,  now thats different. My 'weird' system.. the usb works In the bios menus/ but just not grub.
[23:27] <LjL> maestrojed: well, you can do it anyway
[23:27] <solstralen> dr_willis, ok that's peculiar, since both puppylinux and a debian gparted livecd boot up just fine
[23:27] <LjL> maestrojed: boot a live cd and change those permissions from there
[23:27] <Agent_bob> maestrojed of course.    do you have a ps2 keyboard around you can barrow for that purpose ?
[23:27] <solstralen> patrik: is the ati driver available by default?
[23:27] <maestrojed> LjL: I tried that earlier but it say my local HDs are not mountable :)
[23:27] <dr_willis> solstralen,  they may be using different X versions. Puppy is not that cutting edge. :) no idea on debian. could be they are using the vga/svga/vesa X drivers also. not the 'ati' ones..
[23:27] <LjL> maestrojed: it's lying
[23:28] <Agent_bob> raid ?
[23:28] <maestrojed> Agent_bob: I don't but I will try to find one
[23:28] <LjL> maestrojed: "sudo mount /dev/sdX1 /media/whatever" really should work from the live cd
[23:28] <maestrojed> LjL: oh yeah :) can I ask it to be truthful? Is there a trick
[23:28] <alecwh> bobertdos: I know, but if a user wants to experiment, the information shouldn't be in a locker below 400 feet of cement...
[23:28] <alecwh> a simple disclaimer should suffice. =P
[23:28] <patrik> solstralen: I'm not sure, but I think it is. But it's still experimental for some cards, and you might not get 3D accel
[23:28] <Agent_bob> alecwh it wasn't, i gave it to you.
[23:28] <dr_willis> I find most infomation on ubuntu/linux is just a google serach away.. but i missed the original part of this discussion alecwh  :)
[23:29] <patrik> solstralen: VESA is a safe bet
[23:29] <sg1cat> using dd to make an iso of a DVD, but it doesn't seem to work (dd if=/dev/dvd of=file.iso).  I can mount the resulting file (or load it in VMware on a virtual host) - while the file structure is visible, files cannot be opened.  The DVD is a burned disk that I made via iTunes' library backup.
[23:29] <LjL> alecwh: it's not in a locker, it's all over google, we just don't like giving it in *this* channel. it wasn't initially very clear that it was "just to experiment" on a "toy"-machine, either.
[23:29] <bobertdos> alecwh: ubottu has plenty of those, we just were nice enough to not throw them at you
[23:29] <sg1cat> help?
[23:29] <alecwh> Okay, got it.
[23:29] <LjL> maestrojed: perhaps reboot into the live cd anyway, then tell us exactly what mount says, and we can try to work it out
[23:29] <Agent_bob> ljl lintindo he has
[23:29] <solstralen> patrik: ok, I'll give it a go with vesa and ati. Thanks (and dr_willis)
[23:30] <dr_willis> sg1cat,  ive copied dvd's that way.. for the future you should rember to give a bs=1024 or similer option.. it will make the dd operation MUCH (like 2x) faster.
[23:30] <hardcorelinux> sg1cat, I have tried 'cat /dev/scd0 > file.iso' and mounted the iso with loop
[23:30] <LjL> Agent_bob: linwhat?
[23:30] <gwyo> need help. can't get laptop to go higher than 800x600. Keeps booting into failsafe mode.
[23:30] <sg1cat> dr_willis: faster, perhaps, but it results in the same iso file?
[23:30] <sg1cat> my issue is, the iso file is (apparently) broken
[23:30] <mister> MAYBY SOMEBODY KNOW how can i start pppoeconf on ubuntu 8.04??
[23:30] <maestrojed> LjL: error: device /dev/sda1 is not removable      error: could not execute pmount
[23:31] <Agent_bob> LjL as with windows only for gamming they say "wintindo", it seems that that guy has a "lintindo" box...
[23:31] <maestrojed> LjL: I will try it via command line
[23:31] <seero> hello. i have problem with pppoeconf in ubuntu 8.04, when i type sudo pppoeconf i have msg that command not found, how i can install pppoe without network on ubuntu?
[23:31] <kwyjibo> gdesklets is extremely broken, if you install using add/remove
[23:31] <LjL> maestrojed: yes, use the command line, and mount with sudo. pmount tries to mount as the user
[23:31] <LjL> Agent_bob: oh, had never heard that lingo :o
[23:32] <D3RGPS31> My "Connection Information" is grayed when I rightclick my network manager appelet
[23:32] <kwyjibo> can someone suggest a different widget app, since gdesklets just doesn't work?
[23:32] <sg1cat> hardcorelinux: just saw your message...does cat give a different type of file than dd?
[23:32] <hardcorelinux> sg1cat, no
[23:32] <gwyo> can anyone help with an xorg.conf issue? My laptop is stuck in failsafe, my resolution is 800x600 and won't go to the default 1024x768
 hello. i have problem with pppoeconf in ubuntu 8.04, when i type sudo pppoeconf i have msg that command not found, how i can install pppoe without network on ubuntu?
[23:33] <Agent_bob> sg1cat shouldn't.
[23:33] <hardcorelinux> sg1cat, more info:http://www.der-eremit.de/linux-how-to-create-an-iso-image-from-a-cddvd/
[23:33] <jrib> seero: is the pppoeconf package installed?
[23:33] <seero> i thint is not
[23:34] <seero> think*
[23:34] <Canaris_> gwyo, whats your graphics card and what did u do before it stopped working?
[23:34] <jrib> seero: check with: apt-cache policy pppoeconf
[23:34] <Agent_bob> sg1cat one major differance is the ability to specify block size,  and address ranges    cat just dumps input to output
[23:34] <seero> and what do after this?
[23:34] <gwyo> Canaris_ thanks! I have an built-in intel graphics and I tried to plug in an external monitor
[23:34] <Canaris_> gwyo, thats all u did?
[23:35] <gwyo> Canaris_ I tried to get the monitor working under screens and graphics
[23:35] <sg1cat> agent_bob: okay, so that would just change the speed of transfer.  Ever have an issue where the resulting iso was apparently corrupt as I experienced?  A visible file structure, but file contents were not accessible?
[23:35] <JoelP> Hey, trying to get my z35 Lexmark printer working. I've installed a z32 .PPD and it knows it's there and it feeds the paper. But it doesn't print anything, the carts are moving.
[23:35] <jrib> seero: install the package if it is missing
[23:35] <oldarney> mhats the best media player for linux?
[23:35] <Agent_bob> gwyo sounds like the bios is set to automaticly switch the display and has interfeared with xoer
[23:35] <Agent_bob> xorg
[23:35] <gwyo> Canaris_ it then told me that all users need to log off. I logged off and now it keeps going to failsafe mode
[23:35] <seero> whow i can install this when i didnt have network on ubuntu?
[23:36] <Canaris_> gwyo, even after unplugging the external monitor?
[23:36] <gwyo> Canaris_ yes
[23:36] <Agent_bob> seero apt-zip  maybe ?
[23:36] <figo> ciao a tutti si blocca il browser uso direfox 3.0.3 come faccio?
[23:36] <Canaris_> gwyo, did u try changing the settings back to the old ones?
[23:36] <JoelP> No one can help  me?
[23:36] <maestrojed> LjL: I am in business now! Thank you  You too Agent_bob and all others that helped!
[23:36] <Canaris_> oldarney, VLC
[23:37] <Agent_bob> !printer | JoelP been here ?
[23:37] <Agent_bob> poo
[23:37] <gwyo> Canaris_, under the screens and graphics I try to change it back to the intel graphics and I add a generic LCD with 1024x768, but the best it does is 800x600 with vesa
[23:37] <JoelP> No I haven't Agent bob
[23:38] <LjL> maestrojed: make sure sudoers is also owned by root
[23:38] <bobertdos> Oh look, ubottu is malfunctioning......again :p
[23:38] <JoelP> whats this !printer thing
[23:38] <Agent_bob> JoelP there is  or at least was an infonode on setting up printers.... i'm looking
[23:38] <maestrojed> LjL: good advice!
[23:38] <sacabonos> Guys, when I go full screen on youtube and then I try to go out of full screen the image freeze and I hear only the sound, the image also fill the screen so I can't see the desktop
[23:38] <Canaris_> gwyo, what ubuntu version r u running?
[23:38] <JoelP> I need specific info on setting up my printer.
[23:38] <gwyo> Canaris_ Gutsy, i believe
[23:38] <teimoury> hi does any1 know how to enable a hardware. I got airpace wifi and just installed madwifi. but the KWifimanager said that it's disable
[23:38] <mefisto__> gwyo: looked in /etc/X11/ to see if there is a backup of your previous xorg.conf ?? It will be named xorg.conf.20080929  (the date of the backup)
[23:38] <quagmire> hey all, try to boot a livecd (8.041) on my dual-pIII , get this flaming error: MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC  also booting with noapci wouldnt work
[23:38] <Canaris_> gwyo, just go into synaptic and look for the right xorg-server module and then have it reinstall
[23:38] <maestrojed> is there a GUI for /network/interfaces ?
[23:39] <bobertdos> sacabonos: Flash generally doesn't get along very well with compiz, and I'm kinda guessing that's the issue here. You may want to disable Visual Effects and see if that helps.
[23:39] <Canaris_> quagmire, happens a lot but doesn't really do any harm. google should have some more info i think
[23:39] <Agent_bob> ubottu is hosed.
[23:39] <LjL> maestrojed: well, i guess there are several, but network-manager is what you're supposed to use in Ubuntu, although 1) i don't think it actually changes /etc/network/interfaces, just changes the settings on the fly 2) i hate it
[23:39] <LjL> !test
[23:40] <gwyo> mefisto__, there's xorg.conf.1, and xorg.conf.2
[23:40] <sg1cat> thanks much, dr_willis, hardcorelinux, agent_bob, I appreciate the effort.  It doesn't seem there's an answer for me here, but I did learn a few things.  ;-)
[23:40] <Canaris_> LjL, you're right. AFAIK NetworkManager doesn't change interfaces
[23:40] <gwyo> Canaris_ how do I know hte right xorg-server module?
[23:40] <quagmire> Canaris_, ubuntu is giving me busybox. i could not boot anyway to ubuntu
[23:40] <patrik> Dudes and gals! How can I prevent a default route being created by ifup on a specified interface?
[23:40] <sacabonos> bobertdos, I tried disabling compiz but it didn't work
[23:40] <maestrojed> LjL: ok I will stick to editing the file.  I was just curious.  Trying to update those settings is how all my troubles started :) (i.e. could not sudo to edit the file)
[23:40] <sg1cat> patrik:  Look in /etc/networking/interfaces
[23:40] <jrib> seero: you may use packages.ubuntu.com, but you will have to satisfy dependencies manually.  You can also use the option in synaptic to generate a download script (after choosing to install pppoeconf there)
[23:40] <Canaris_> quagmire, hmm i dunno then. have u tried googling the error code?
[23:40] <teimoury> no one to answer me?
[23:41] <Canaris_> gwyo, just look if there's one that says intel
[23:41] <Khisanth> maestrojed: System -> Administration -> Network
[23:41] <gwyo> Canaris_ ok
[23:41] <seero> how i can instal pppoeconf without internet connection on ubuntu hh?
[23:41] <sg1cat> patrik:  My bad, look in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:41] <teimoury>  hi does any1 know how to enable a hardware. I got airpace wifi and just installed madwifi. but the KWifimanager said that it's disable
[23:41] <newbiejack> anyone familiar with the default hashing algorithm for the /etc/shadow file? (or where i might be able to find more information on this?)
[23:41] <JoelP> My printer is spitting out my blank paper. What do I do?
[23:42] <sg1cat> patrik:  you've probably got a gateway for the offending interface
[23:42] <LjL> maestrojed: well, no, the trouble started when you messed up sudo ;P
[23:42] <patrik> sg1cat: I just read the manpage for it and could find anything usefull.
[23:42] <bobertdos> sacabonos: Okay, what version of flash?
[23:42] <Canaris_> gwyo, xserver-xorg-video-***** . there are several. just pick the right one. If u dont know check your computer's specs on the manufacturers website
[23:42] <newbiejack> joelp: turn of the printer, unplug it and let it be for a few minutes and try again.
[23:42] <patrik> sg1cat: Yes I have a gateway set for it. Should I remove it?
[23:42] <gwyo> Canaris_ the intel one is installed
[23:42] <Canaris_> gwyo, reinstall it
[23:42] <newbiejack> joelp: unplug from electrical power that is.
[23:42] <titanus> !RAID
[23:42] <Agent_bob> newbiejack trying to crack a password ?
[23:42] <seero>  how i can instal pppoeconf without internet connection on ubuntu hh?
[23:42] <zimbres> I am trying to install a program and the ''make install'' is complaining about the line ''typedef complex<double> wavecomplex'', any idea about why it is complaining? The software is not expected to errors in the code.
[23:42] <teimoury>  hi does any1 know how to enable a hardware. I got airpace wifi and just installed madwifi. but the KWifimanager said that it's disable
[23:43] <sg1cat> patrik:  if you don't want that route, yeah...just be sure you have at least one route amongst your interfaces... (maybe comment out the line ;-)
[23:43] <bobertdos> !test
[23:43] <maestrojed> LjL: So true. But everytime I mess something up I learn a ton :)
[23:43] <newbiejack> agent_bob working on school computer security project, yes.
[23:43] <JoelP> does that work newbiejack?
[23:43] <bobertdos> yay
[23:43] <gwyo> Canaris_ will do
[23:43] <LjL> maestrojed: heh well i guess it's one way to learn
[23:43] <patrik> sg1cat: Ok, I'll try that. Thanks
[23:43] <Agent_bob> newbiejack get the shadow source code.
[23:44] <Agent_bob> newbiejack or use "john" on the password file  :)))
[23:44] <Canaris_> zimbres, are you trying to compile x64 code on x86 or the other way round?
[23:44] <newbiejack> agent_bob where might i find that?
[23:45] <Agent_bob> newbiejack in the repos.
[23:45] <Agent_bob> !info john
[23:45] <JoelP> ugh, it's still printing blank pages.
[23:45] <Agent_bob> bah ubottu is down.
[23:46] <newbiejack> agent_bob: many thanks.
[23:46] <Agent_bob> newbiejack welcome
[23:46] <kebomix> please help me my laptop temprature is 92 c? !!!
[23:46] <zimbres> Canaris_, i really do not know, but the configure script does not take care of this? Hoe do i find this information?
[23:46] <bobertdos> !wifi > Moderndayzero
[23:47] <JoelP> agent_bob, did you ever find that thing on printing. I need to set this one up in the next 5 mins PRONTO
[23:47] <Agent_bob> bobertdos ubottu is hosed
[23:47] <bobertdos> They JUST reset him. He was working two nano seconds ago! GAH!!
[23:47] <teimoury>  hi does any1 know how to enable a hardware. I got airpace wifi and just installed madwifi. but the KWifimanager said that it's disable
[23:47] <Agent_bob> JoelP look on ubuntu.com   it's in the user documentation section,  and the search feature provided should find it.
[23:48] <JoelP> ...
[23:48] <Agent_bob> yeah i know.
[23:48] <LjL> no ubottu should work again now
[23:48] <sacabonos> bobertdos, Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124
[23:48] <JoelP> Well this chat isn't very helpful, you know?
[23:48] <teimoury>  hi does any1 know how to enable a hardware. I got airpace wifi and just installed madwifi. but the KWifimanager said that it's disable
[23:48] <newbiejack> joelp: that works many times but may not be the solution for you (referring to my previous suggestion) esp if you its not some driver/printer miscommunication
[23:49] <JoelP> newbiejack, it hasn't printed on a linux machine yet. Just on XP. I have the PPD installed.
[23:49] <LjL> JoelP: to me, it looks like all was going well and you were receiving proper support, before you'd start expecting it in N minutes like anyone were being paid to give it...
[23:49] <Agent_bob> JoelP we do tend to rely heavly on the bot to keep up with where that stuff is.
[23:49] <LjL> !pinter | this is the printer thing JoelP, should work now
[23:49] <sacabonos> bobertdos, please consider that this is only happening with youtube
[23:49] <LjL> well, should work if i type it right
[23:49] <LjL> !printer
[23:50] <Agent_bob> yea! ubottu is back
[23:50] <JoelP> Support doesn't tell where to go, it helps you out.  Hm..........
[23:50] <kebomix> is there is power manager for laptops where u can control performance of laptop battery like windows ?
[23:50] <LjL> JoelP, well, no, only when the documentation doesn't have the ready answers.
[23:50] <Agent_bob> JoelP no.  support gives you information you can use to get what you want out of what you have.
[23:51] <hardcorelinux> kebomix, you mean set the processor to a lower speed when on battery?
[23:51] <sacabonos> bobertdos, ya isn't it weird!
[23:51] <Agent_bob> JoelP and for what you are paying for support here,  you got a bargen.
[23:52] <apin> apinsaja
[23:52] <sacabonos> bobertdos, the Flash version is 9.0 r124
[23:52] <kebomix> hardcorelinux: yeah my laptop heat is high , and i want to put it down , it is 93 C degree , so , how can i customize my laptop performance even on battery or AC Power
[23:53] <mefisto__> 93 ° C ???? turn it off
[23:53] <bobertdos> sacabonos: Yup, up, gotcha........I'm a bit stumped though.
[23:53] <hardcorelinux> kebomix, that is too high a temperature, are you booting off with 'idle=poll'?
[23:53] <Agent_bob> kebomix err it's been a while sense i saw gnome... but isnt there that "power management" app in the system menu ?
[23:53] <kebomix> what is 'idle=poll' ?
[23:53] <JoelP> Agent_bob, I get better support from something like AT&T and it's free support.. :\
[23:54] <^paradox^> im just reposting my problem with printer sharing
[23:54] <hardcorelinux> kebomix, never mind, what is the make model?
[23:54] <JoelP> Don't give me that haha
[23:54] <sacabonos> bobertdos, I tried googling first but I couldn't find a thing, I have an ATI X1950 btw
[23:54] <^paradox^> im trying to share the printer an hp psc 1110 over a network with two computers. the computer the printers hooked up to is a windows vista home pc. im trying to share it to this pc running ubuntu 8.04.
[23:54] <kebomix> the gnome power manager dont show much details ! ,
[23:54] <Agent_bob> JoelP ok.   i'll ignore you then.   and someone else can "support you"  ;/
[23:54] <kebomix> my laptop is thinkpad r52
[23:54] <^paradox^> ive installed samba, samba-common, smbfs. ive configured it and set the vista pc to share files and printers. the printer receives test pages sent to it but doesnt print them. they show up in the job list saying spooling and the printer physically tries to print them, but to no effect.
[23:55] <bobertdos> sacabonos: With that new of a card, I assume you're using proprietary drivers, yes?
[23:55] <guest> hello how do i change the bottom toolbar
[23:55] <JoelP> learn2ubuntu before you try to support. :\
[23:55] <mefisto__> JoelP: maybe you could try AT&T free support? I'm sure they will help you
[23:55] <^paradox^> ive ran printing troubleshooter and opened the cups error log both of which ive put in this pastebin http://rafb.net/p/r113tc58.html
[23:55] <kebomix> hardcorelinux: the fan speed became low when i used ubuntu , it was high on windows
[23:55] <shafire> how is umbrella term for drama, thriller, comedy from movies?
[23:55] <^paradox^> i posted it on the forums too. just waiting now
[23:55] <zimbres> Canaris_, no idea?
[23:55] <bazhang> !ot > shafire
[23:56] <sacabonos> bobertdos, ya I tried installing the driver from AMD website then I uninstalled it and tried envyNG
[23:56] <gwyo> Canaris_ I installed the xserver intel one, what do I do now?
[23:56] <hardcorelinux> kebomix, I found this app called 'ubuntu-tweak' it should have what you are looking for(set the cpu governor for BATT/AC), but you have fundamental heat problem, you should address that
[23:56] <guest> anyone know how to change the bottom taskbar
[23:57] <bobertdos> sacabonos: Huh.........well the last thing I can think of is maybe libflashsupport is causing you grief. Maybe flash 10 would actually HELP you.
[23:57] <^paradox^> if anyone can help id really appreciate it. i dont know what else to with the printer
[23:58] <lost_boy432> I can't find my external hdd in fstab or mtab. I can't mount it. help please?
[23:58] <Canaris_> gwyo, reboot
[23:58] <gwyo> Canaris_ ok, thanks
[23:58] <Agent_bob> ^paradox^ have you used the web interface to cups to see if it would help with that ?    http://localhost:631
[23:58] <m_newton> OMG
[23:59] <Davidgfhgfh> hey guys im using a hp a710y and i installed ubuntu using wubi but when i try and boot into ubuntu i get this error messege does anybody know what this means     etxunit.drc317sednot found initunable to execute binsh for rc-defaultno such file or directory  initrc default main process (6871) terminated with status 255
[23:59] <frozenskunk1> Can anyone gice me some help getting my remotes to work with a commandIR in mythbuntu? I've been asking for hours in the mythbuntu room without a single response...
[23:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> !amule
[23:59] <^paradox^> admittedly i wouldnt be sure how to use it
[23:59] <LjL> !fishing | CostaRicanQuaker
[23:59] <^paradox^> but i am there looking


[13:40] <harmw> smoser: regarding beastie vs freebsd, I'm fine with the latter :)
[20:16] <goose_> hey guys, is it possible to run cloud-init with a #cloud-config file using "cloud-init --file ~/myfile init" currently it runs but not every definition in the file especially the runcmd definition


[20:18] <menn0> thumper: morning.
[20:18] <thumper> menn0: morning
[20:18]  * thumper is just updating before rebooting
[20:18] <menn0> thumper: you're going to love what that problem was that I was looking at on Friday
[20:18] <menn0> thumper: I figured it out Friday night
[20:18] <thumper> menn0: here is a pro tip: don't upgrade just before flying out
[20:18] <thumper> menn0: get a stable base several days before
[20:18] <menn0> thumper: I wasn't planning on it :)
[20:18] <thumper> menn0: was that the modifying dict?
[20:19] <thumper> menn0: or another issue
[20:19] <thumper> the agent not starting issue?
[20:19] <menn0> thumper: no remember the units magically shutting down
[20:19] <thumper> yeah... what was that then?
[20:19] <menn0> thumper: it turns out it's something that Jesse and I had already noticed but thought it was only a minor inconvenience for users
[20:20] <menn0> bug 1372752
[20:20]  * thumper looks at mup
[20:20] <menn0> if units try to connect to the state server before some of the migrations have run
[20:21] <thumper> ah...
[20:21] <thumper> they think it is all bad?
[20:21] <menn0> the login fails with a authorisation error and the unit thinks it has to terminate
[20:21] <thumper> ah, bugger
[20:21] <menn0> also the unit doesn't log anything when it does this
[20:21] <menn0> it just shuts down
[20:22] <menn0> I'll fix this too
[20:22] <menn0> it's fairly easy to fix I think: report a different error when logins fail while upgrades are in progress
[20:22]  * thumper nods
[20:22] <menn0> something like "upgrades in progress" (which we already have defined as a server error)
[20:22] <thumper> yup...
[20:22] <thumper> sounds good
[20:23] <menn0> this should make the problem friendlier for users as well
[20:23] <menn0> so I'll do that first thing this morning
[20:23] <menn0> brb... kids
[20:23] <thumper> awesome
[22:35] <menn0> is anyone able to review this bug fix? it's an easy one. http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/119/
[23:01] <menn0> davecheney: morning
[23:02] <davecheney> menn0: o/
[23:02] <menn0> davecheney: NZ daylight saving came in to effect yesterday so it's midday for us
[23:02] <davecheney> yay
[23:02] <davecheney> yay insanity
[23:02] <menn0> davecheney: no standup yet as thumper had to do a thing with his kids
[23:02] <menn0> davecheney: and jesse is out
[23:03] <davecheney> kk
[23:03] <menn0> davecheney: thumper should be back soon-ish so perhaps do standup when he's back?
[23:03] <davecheney> i saw there was a ppc64 issue over the weekend
[23:03] <davecheney> does anyone have teh details
[23:03] <davecheney> is there an issue ?
[23:03] <menn0> davecheney: I haven't heard about that but I'm not caught up on email
[23:05] <menn0> davecheney: any chance you could review this? it's an easy one and fixes a bug that's blocking me from landing a much bigger branch. http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/119/
[23:08]  * davecheney looks
[23:10] <davecheney> done
[23:33] <menn0> davecheney: thanks. my replies here: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/119/
[23:34] <davecheney> menn0: fair enough
[23:34] <davecheney> i don't really know enought about what is going on here anyway
[23:34] <menn0> davecheney: k
[23:34] <davecheney> you have you lgtm
[23:36] <davecheney> s/you/your
[23:38]  * thumper goes to make lunch
[23:38] <thumper> so hungy


[08:44] <airurando> good morning
[08:47] <slashtom> good morning
[08:48] <airurando> hi slashtom
[08:49] <airurando> well done on getting the ball rolling on UHD again.
[08:50] <slashtom> no problem, i was chatting with ebel about it the other day
[08:50] <slashtom> i do think that we need to try something different, will raise it at the geeknic and see what people think
[08:50] <slashtom> thinking maybe first saturday in september, if that suits
[08:54] <airurando> first Saturday in September?
[08:54] <airurando> no way
[08:54] <airurando> global Jam
[08:54] <slashtom> oh, i didn't have that in my schedule
[08:54] <airurando> maybe the second Saturday in September
[08:55] <airurando> aye nothing concrete yet
[08:55] <slashtom> second saturday is the coderetreat that tdr112 mentioned
[08:55] <slashtom> myself and ebel are booked on it
[08:55] <airurando> third?
[08:55] <slashtom> third saturday my mum is visiting
[08:55] <airurando> lol
[08:55] <slashtom> and on the forth weekend there is a beer festival at the RDS
[08:55] <slashtom> :P
[08:56] <airurando> october it is so!
[08:56] <airurando> first
[08:56] <airurando> ?
[08:56] <slashtom> what's happening at the global jam?
[08:56] <airurando> still a bit up in the air
[08:56] <airurando> infoturtle is trying to org Limerick again
[08:57] <airurando> tdr112 has hopefully asked TOG again.
[08:57] <airurando> haven't heard back from either yet
[08:57] <airurando> we also have an expression of interest from a 091labs guy in Galway
[08:58] <airurando> nothing concrete
[08:58] <airurando> he is looking into it to see if the interest is there
[08:58] <airurando> fingers crossed
[09:03] <slashtom> i cannot have been paying attention, otherwise it would have been on my schedule
[09:03] <slashtom> just as well we have nothing planned
[09:04] <airurando> glad you'll be there
[16:04] <airurando> Geeknic up on the website
[16:04] <airurando> http://www.ubuntu-ie.org/node/152
[16:04] <airurando> and on the LoCo Dir
[16:04] <airurando> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ie/1135/detail/
[16:05] <airurando> I do hope the weather picks up for it!
[16:05] <moylan> wouldn't be an irish picnic without the challenge of drinking a cup of something faster than the rain can fill it! :-)
[16:14] <airurando> indeed moylan
[16:15] <airurando> and finally its now gone out to the mailing list
[16:15] <airurando> Phew.....
[16:16] <airurando> until I looked into this I didn't realise we held the second geeknic ever.
[16:21] <tdr112> evening
[16:24] <airurando> how do tdr112
[16:24] <airurando> how are things with you?
[16:27] <tdr112> been busy , too much stuff on
[16:28] <airurando> I know that feeling all too well
[16:28] <airurando> did you get a chance to ask TOG about UGJ?
[16:29] <tdr112> i talked to a few about it
[16:29] <airurando> were they OK with it?
[16:31] <tdr112> the idea is fun , it should be ok
[16:31] <tdr112> i will confirm it this week
[16:31] <airurando> cool, only if you get a chance.
[16:32] <airurando> are you going to the Geeknic?
[16:38] <tdr112> i dont know yet ,i might be working
[23:12] <infoturtle> hye guys, I know it's a bit late but is anyone on here? looking for some help on how to start doing some bug solving
[23:13] <moylan> probably not the best person to ask but go ahead.
[23:15] <infoturtle> I just wanted to know how to go about it, I know nothing about where to start other than the list of bugs on launchpad launch pad. You know any sites that can help me get going?
[23:15] <infoturtle> *meant to delete that second launchpad
[23:15] <moylan> ah then definitely not the person to ask.  i keep wanting to go to the ugj but never end up making it.
[23:16] <infoturtle> ok cool, not to worry. The whole thing just seems so vast to me. Maybe I'll find someone else


[18:03] <AppAraat[m]> corshmock: congrats! how did you make it work?
[18:04] <AppAraat[m]> hmc: Kdenlive?
[18:04] <AppAraat[m]> unrelated: How can I monitor ALSA for xruns? I found this (https://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/XRUN_Debug) but I think it's outdated since I don't have a `xrun_debug` where it should be.
[19:33] <OvenWerks> AppAraat[m]: the alsa xruns are mintored by the application using alsa.
[19:33] <OvenWerks> *monitored
[19:34] <OvenWerks> (or not as the application sees fit)
[19:35] <OvenWerks> xruns happen when the application doesn't deal with alsa in a timely manner
[19:37] <AppAraat[m]> ah, so the xrun monitoring of JACK was simply because JACK was being an ALSA app in that case. Interesting.
[19:37] <OvenWerks> yes
[19:38] <AppAraat[m]> thought it had to do with ALSA (sometimes?) not being able to deal with hardware in a timely manner
[19:39] <OvenWerks> alsa ends up being an API to allow alsa driven programs to access the hardware in a uniform manner.
[19:40] <AppAraat[m]> yeah in terms of (abstraction?) layers I understand it goes something like: hardware <-> ALSA <-> ALSA apps (JACK, Bitwig Studio, PulseAudio etc.)
[19:41] <AppAraat[m]> but mostly for pro audio it's something like: hardware <-> ALSA <-> JACK (ALSA app) <-> JACK apps (aka clients, like Bitwig Studio, PulseAudio, Ardour etc.)
[19:43] <OvenWerks> It can be, but unless you really want to use external jack applications as synths or effects, most of them can tie directly to alsa and use plugins instead.
[19:43] <OvenWerks> Ardour, for example, now recomends using alsa dirrect unless you wish to be able to hear desktop audio at the same time.
[19:44] <OvenWerks> (or use a jack only synth or effect)
[19:44] <OvenWerks> or tie to a sequncer
[19:48] <AppAraat[m]> heh, didn't know about Ardour recommending doing stuff on ALSA directly. Interesting. Although if "desktop audio" is an ALSA app then it can just use dmix, no?
[19:50] <AppAraat[m]> in which case it also obsoletes the need for JACK. So pretty much the "only" thing I need it for is having a soft mixer between JACK clients and JACK (for that audio interface that didn't support soft mixing lol)
[19:51] <OvenWerks> audio interfaces don't do soft mixing for the most part, they generally have software controlled hw mixing.
[19:52] <OvenWerks> The link from any pro-audio application to an audio device should not have a software mixer in between anyway.
[19:53] <AppAraat[m]> ah I see, and some audio interfaces can lack even that, right?
[19:53] <AppAraat[m]> oh, how so?
[19:53] <OvenWerks> Many audio interfaces just have hw controls (knobs) instead.
[19:54] <AppAraat[m]> yeah I guess mine does only have that
[19:54] <OvenWerks> For profesional audio you want the exact audio that leaves the ADC coming into your application
[19:55] <OvenWerks> Any level compensation should be done before th adc to prevent clipping
[19:56] <AppAraat[m]> That's in case of recording? Does soft mixing / volume control do anything destructive to the digital audio? Thought that was just volume adjustment.
[19:56] <OvenWerks> your application should take care of that and deal with any latency that step adds.
[20:00] <OvenWerks> Having a level control on the output is less of a problem for long as you have no outboard audio equipment that feeds audio back in to your application
[20:00] <OvenWerks> some people use external analog effects because they like the sound
[20:47] <AppAraat[m]> in case of external fx, what does it matter whether output is adjusted as long as its compensated back at the input stage?
[20:47] <OvenWerks> you loose headroom
[20:48] <OvenWerks> loose headroom = starting with 24 bit audio and ending up with 14 bit audio (as an example)
[20:49] <AppAraat[m]> hmm I see
[20:49] <OvenWerks> Better to use analog level changes after DAC and before ADC
[20:50] <AppAraat[m]> that would make the most sense yeah