[00:15] <cancer> L3top: you still there?
[00:15] <cancer> E: Unable to locate package gdebi-kde
[00:15] <cancer> what to do?
[00:15] <Unit193> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install gdebi-kde
[00:15] <Unit193> !info gdebi-kde
[00:17] <cancer> yesterday, someone from here told me to check a box from muon package manager. but don't remember which one to check.
[00:17] <cancer> canoncial partners / canoncial partners (source code)
[00:17] <cancer> ?
[00:18] <cancer> moun package manager> software source> other software ^^
[00:18] <cancer> unit193: any help?
[00:19] <cancer> anyone?
[00:25] <cancer> there is no user name in home. i have just installed a fresh kubuntu 11.10
[01:04] <Dan39> this is freakin ridiculous
[01:04] <Dan39> does nobody use NX? o_O
[01:07] <illidan> Hi, i messed up my ~/ permissions. Does KDE or apps have any folders with special permission?
[01:08] <Dan39> special permissions o_o
[01:08] <illidan> like setgid or something
[01:08] <ScottyK> Kudos to the 12.04 developers, all three of my machines have been running flawlessy since upgrading. Great job!
[01:08] <Dan39> non-kudos to the 12.04 developers, they have fuxored KDE
[01:09] <L3top> Dan39: Try Unity.
[01:09] <Dan39> unity sucks
[01:09] <L3top> and in contrast kde...
[01:10] <illidan> i made them drwxr-x--- for folders and rw-r----- for files. Are there executables in home by default?
[01:10] <Dan39> kde is nice
[01:10] <L3top> try gnome3
[01:10] <L3top> and in contrast kde...
[01:10] <Dan39> i have
[01:10] <Dan39> didnt like
[01:10] <Dan39> like kde
[01:10] <Dan39> just that it has this dumb crashing bug over NX
[01:11] <L3top> so... your position is that on a scale of 1 to 10, ranking only buntu distros it is...
[01:11] <Dan39> o_O
[01:11] <Dan39> hey i dont like buntu at all
[01:12] <Dan39> but if i have to use it on a server
[01:12] <L3top> that was not the question.
[01:12] <Dan39> it shouldnt have such a huge obvious fucking bug
[01:12] <illidan> whats your favorite distro?
[01:12] <Dan39> depends for what
[01:12] <Dan39> at home archlinux
[01:12] <illidan> desktop use
[01:12] <L3top> surely you are experienced enough to scale buntu distros
[01:12] <IdleOne> !language | Dan39
[01:12] <Dan39> archlinux for sure
[01:12] <Dan39> ubottu: family friendly? families hang out in #kubuntu ? lol
[01:13] <IdleOne> Dan39: yes, they do.
[01:13] <Dan39> hey i tried it the nice way
[01:13] <Dan39> gotta raise hell to get things done something, eh?
[01:13] <L3top> surely this is not outside of your pervue...
[01:14] <Dan39> what are you smoking L3top i dont even know what your saying
[01:14] <L3top> You can complain all you like and I will entertain you... but... given your experience and influence... what version of buntu is the LEAST offensive
[01:14] <L3top> My crayons do not get much more fat.
[01:15] <L3top> We should move to OT
[01:15] <Dan39> sorry but i dont want to answer your lil questionaire
[01:15] <Dan39> take it to #ubuntu-quizshow or something
[01:15] <L3top> no... of course not... do you have a support question?
[01:16] <Dan39> how do i get kde over nx working?
[01:17] <L3top> kde is a desktop environment. what is wrong with your nx install that you cannot manage kde would be a more appropriate question
[01:17] <Dan39> nothing is wrong with the nx install that i know of
[01:17] <Dan39> kwin segfaults
[01:18] <Dan39> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/+bug/985202
[01:18] <Dan39> that ^^^
[01:18] <L3top> I have KDE installed on 7 different environments and it doesn't. This would imply to me that your host install is problematic...
[01:18] <Dan39> L3top: have you used it over NX?
[01:19] <L3top> I see... there is a bug...
[01:20] <L3top> No... I have not... and clearly there is a confirmed bug.
[01:20] <Dan39> well i clearly stated that my problem is over NX, so your argument that my host install is incorrect makes no sense
[01:20] <L3top> Obviously the DE is crap, because it doesn't work on NX well 2 weeks after release. How silly of me.
[01:21] <Dan39> who ever said the DE is crap?
[01:21] <Dan39> KDE is a good DE
[01:22] <L3top> and yet you are incapable of giving it scale among DE
[01:22] <L3top> I will take good.
[01:22] <L3top> Very generous of you.
[01:23] <Dan39> IdleOne: if you want to kick somebody, kick this fool who just wants to take poll questions from me
[01:24] <Dan39> this is a support channel, not your place for gathering statistics
[01:24] <L3top> You are correct Dan39. I am in violation of the room rules. I am so easily drawn in by trolls. We can continue in off-topic if you like... or you can state your support question not addressed by the bug you are familiar.
[01:24]  * mydogsnameisrudy is wondering if these 2 are married and are sitting there bickering
[01:24]  * Dan39 hugs mydogsnameisrudy
[01:24] <Dan39> :D
[01:25] <L3top> it is a character flaw of mine
[01:25] <illidan> XD
[01:25] <L3top> Dan is not to blame.
[01:25] <L3top> I appologize.
[01:25] <Dan39> not you illidan
[01:25] <Dan39> hahaha is your name dan too? :P
[01:25] <illidan> im just watching your conversation
[01:25] <L3top> Do you have a support question not related to the bug you are familiar with Dan39?
[01:26] <Dan39> nope
[01:26] <L3top> I will mourn your silence.
[01:28] <cancer> l3top | L3top: you there?
[01:29] <cancer> l3top | L3top: you there?
[01:30] <L3top> I am
[01:31] <cancer> L3top: thanks for reply. i was here before few minutes too. Actually i'm done with fresh kubutnu, updates and upgrades. :)
[01:31] <cancer> But, i'm afraid there is still no user in HOME :D
[01:31] <cancer> maybe :-p
[01:32] <illidan> I messed up my ~/ permissions. Does the DE have any executables in the ~ folders? L3top, do you know?
[01:33] <cancer> L3top: installing packages (languages) is stuck on 99% 'running post-installation trigger hicolor-icon-theme' ?
[01:34] <illidan> cancer, how long did you wait?
[01:34] <cancer> ubottu | wait
[01:35] <cancer> illidan: i learned this from here:D
[01:35] <cancer> ubottu | patience
[01:35] <cancer> Oops :D
[01:35] <illidan> cancer, no i meant with your determination if it is stuck
[01:36] <cancer> illidan: oh, :D it's i think upto 15mins till it stuck....
[01:36] <L3top> illidan: I am frankly unaware of executables in the ~ folder...  however your ~ folder should be owned by your $USER... so it is safe to sudo chown -R $USER: ~      but only as the user in question
[01:36] <illidan> cancer: and i reposted the initial question because it may really have drowned in the almost flaming between letop and dan
[01:37] <cancer> illidan: oh, :D it's i think upto 15mins till it stuck....
[01:37] <illidan> cancer: owner is ok its more that i typoed the permissionset in a chmod -R
[01:38] <illidan> i did chmod -r o-rwx ./ instead -R o-rwx ./
[01:38] <cancer> illidan: are you referring this to | L3top
[01:38] <illidan> cancer: yes
[01:39] <cancer> illidan: ok.
[01:39] <illidan> cancer: what does the | in irc?
[01:39] <cancer> illidan: that's not in irc, it on my keyb. don't know :-p
[01:39] <cancer> ;)
[01:39] <cancer> ;)
[01:40] <cancer> Be right back after a quick restart ;)
[01:40] <FloodBotK1> cancer: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:40] <illidan> k
[01:44] <L3top> Again, illidan as the user (not sudo -s -i or su), it is best to chmod -R $USER: ~
[01:45] <cancer> Back
[01:45] <L3top> this implies, in my case, chmod -R l3top:l3top /home/l3top
[01:45] <cancer> L3top: i followed your advice and now have a fresh installed kubuntu.
[01:45] <L3top> outstanding.
[01:46] <cancer> L3top: now tell me how to install pastebin
[01:46] <L3top> sudo apt-get install pastebinit; fdisk -l |pastebinit
[01:46] <L3top> er
[01:47] <L3top> sudo apt-get install pastebinit; sudo fdisk -l |pastebinit
[01:47] <illidan> cancer, back from toaster
[01:47] <L3top> fdisk likes sudo, as I mentioned beofre
[01:47] <cancer> illidan: i'm now more a poster :D
[01:49] <cancer> http://paste.kde.org/481514/
[01:50] <L3top> cancer: you can follow its advice. sudo apt-get -f install
[01:50] <cancer> yesterday, someone from here told me to check a box from muon package manager. but don't remember which one to check.
[01:51] <L3top> cancer:  ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d | pastebinit
[01:51] <cancer> moun package manager> software source> other software
[01:51] <cancer> canoncial partners / canoncial partners (source code)
[01:52] <cancer> sudo apt-get -f install < this command installing libreoffice i think.
[01:53] <L3top> well... something went wrong initially... and I am curious what... that is why I am curious if you installed some sort of ppa or something.
[01:53] <cancer> L3top: nothing, i just did updates and dist-upgrades
[01:53] <illidan> L3top, alright i think its all fixed. One thing, does chmod -R  follow symlinks?
[01:54] <cancer> L3top: sudo fdisk -l |pastebinit -->  http://paste.ubuntu.com/993453/
[01:54] <L3top> That is an excellent question I do not know the answer to.
[01:55] <L3top> I would guess no... if money was on the line... but I lose money gambling usually
[01:55] <L3top> so I would test it by making one
[01:55] <L3top> That is much more pleasant cancer
[01:55] <cancer> L3top:ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d | pastebinit       |     You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[01:56] <L3top> excellent
[01:56] <L3top> Not sure why your initial install failed.
[01:56] <cancer> L3top: system notification > 91 security and 310 software updates.
[01:57] <cancer> L3top: oh my i have just finished up & ug.
[01:57] <L3top> the two are inconguous in my head.
[01:58] <L3top> s/inconguous/incongruous/
[01:58] <cancer> L3top: does ubottu translate 'inconguous'.
[01:58] <cancer> and about which 'two' you are talking about.
[01:59] <L3top> the two do not make sense. If you just upgraded after update, the notification of updates does not make sense
[01:59] <cancer> ya maybe. actually i have to enable net to access. kubuntu can't access net auto. i have it on manually right now.
[02:00] <L3top> ...
[02:00] <L3top> if your system is aware of updates it is online
[02:00] <L3top> if it is online your update/upgrade should have stuck... this doesnt help me
[02:00] <illidan> manpage says it does follow but has an extra paragraph about when doing recursive. "in contrast chmod ignores links..." but i feel unsure about it
[02:01] <cancer> L3top: yes, i have to connect it to net manually so maybe it responce late. what about those issues for which i have installed fresh kubuntu?
[02:02] <L3top> again... if you have net (ping -c2 google.com), sudo apt-get -f install
[02:03] <L3top> If that fixes your broken installs, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:03] <cancer> L3top: i'm connected. maybe i am not clear enough to make you understand.
[02:03] <L3top> then we can create the script to run again...
[02:04] <L3top> Perhaps I am not clear enough... regardless there is a communication problem
[02:04] <L3top> What is the output of sudo apt-get -f install
[02:05] <cancer> L3top: it's because i have change the wireless adapter. i have to change mac everytime i need to connect to internet. but it for some hours now. i'll have it fix from server.
[02:05] <L3top> Why... why do you need to alter your MAC?
[02:05] <cancer> l3top: some libreoffice package was installed after sudo apt-get -f install
[02:05] <L3top> Then update/upgrade
[02:05] <L3top> but why do you have to fiddle with your mac?
[02:05] <cancer> L3top:
[02:06] <cancer> L3top: did you checked for fdisk | mount for me.
[02:07] <illidan> cancer, do you use a mac filter with devices using non default macs?
[02:08] <L3top> yes cancer... that  is what I would want to see, considering your prior decision to cut your windows install into 4 partitions.
[02:09] <cancer> illidan: yes we have configured mac filtering in server from which i am connected. i just switched the adapter. just need to replace new mac.
[02:10] <cancer> L3top: i just sperated 7 gb from the sda6 for swap.
[02:11] <L3top> that is more than enough.
[02:11] <L3top> Meaning that is fine
[02:11] <NitaChan> Does KDE keep a logfile somewhere? Neither smb or SSH connections in Dolphin work and I don't know what's the issue
[02:12] <L3top> /var/log contains logs NitaChan
[02:12] <cancer> L3top: just with the new installation i found that i never chosen space for swap, actually what i was calling swap was originally Boot loader. :D
[02:13] <cancer> L3top: i still don't see $USER in /home
[02:13] <L3top> grub? grub should always exist in the MBR... but you are here... so I assume it is correct.
[02:13] <L3top> cancer: echo "$USER"
[02:13] <NitaChan> L3top: yes, that might help otherwise, but there is nothing there related to this as fas as I can see
[02:14] <L3top> NitaChan: apt-get install --reinstall openssh-server
[02:14] <cancer> L3top: tell me the command, so you can see about user.
[02:14] <L3top> I did.
[02:14] <L3top> the output of that is your user, presuming you are not root
[02:15] <L3top> ls /home/$USER is you
[02:15] <NitaChan> Reinstalling ssh-server won't solve the issue of Dolphin not connecting..
[02:15] <cancer> L3top: why i can't see that user in home as you defined.
[02:15] <L3top> Dolphin does not ssh. Dolphin is a file manager. Perhaps I misunderstand you.
[02:15] <L3top> Can you please restate the problem NitaChan
[02:15] <NitaChan> L3top: yes, Dolphin does support SMB and SSH connections, too
[02:16] <NitaChan> I obviously am trying to get to manage my files over network connection.
[02:16] <L3top> SMB yes, I am unaware of how Dolphin would SSH, but that does not make it fact.
[02:17] <NitaChan> Simple google told me to use fish:// for accessing SSH
[02:17] <NitaChan> But alas, neither method works.
[02:17] <L3top> You would have to instantiate an ssh session... and I don't understand how that would be done from dolphin... but again... that does not make it law.
[02:18] <cancer> \\
[02:18] <L3top> cancer: ls -la /home | pastebinit
[02:21] <cancer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/993478/
[02:21] <illidan> NitaChan: Whats the target system ?
[02:21] <NitaChan> illidan: a Linux-server. Why?
[02:21] <L3top> ok cancer, you see line 3?
[02:22] <cancer> yes
[02:22] <L3top> that is your $USER... just like in Documents and Settings
[02:22] <L3top> Or Users as the case may be... I dunno... I dont play with windows anymore
[02:23] <cancer> l3top: is it under \.  |  i choose '\' this while starting installation.
[02:23] <L3top> if you ls /home/cancer you will see folders familiar in the windows world
[02:23] <L3top>  /
[02:23] <illidan> NitaChan, i found that my router is ok with ssh and scp per commandline but when trying to list folders using fish it didnt work
[02:23] <cancer> May be / yes
[02:23] <cancer> updates hang of 'preparing dragon player.
[02:24] <cancer> brb after a short break (just a restart)
[02:24] <illidan> NitaChan, with another ssh server somewhere in the web it worked just fine
[02:24] <NitaChan> illidan: I don't have any issues with using SSH from any of my dozen other devices and OSes, or from GNOME/Nautilus. So I'd say that means fish is broken if it does that.
[02:28] <illidan> NitaChan: anything unusual? is fish installed by default?
[02:28] <illidan> NitaChan: i dont know its packagename
[02:29] <NitaChan> illidan: me neither. And I'm new to KDE anyways so I have absolutely no idea if it is installed by default or not
[02:29] <NitaChan> I sure didn't install it manually, but maybe it came as a dependency on something
[02:32] <NitaChan> Hmm, now it finally popped up a password-box o_o It took only about 20 minutes..
[02:32] <illidan> NitaChan: my konqueror/dolphin has it but i installed a dozen of packages
[02:32] <NitaChan> Well, since it got fixed by itself finally my issue is resolved. For now.
[02:32] <illidan> did you try fish:// in konqueror instead of dolphin?
[02:32] <illidan> oh
[02:32] <illidan> k
[02:33] <NitaChan> No, isn't konqueror a web browser?
[02:33] <illidan> i have learned of the existance of fish through konquerors manual. and konqueror is bith a local and web browser
[02:34] <illidan> dolphin is something like konqueror light for non web
[02:35] <NitaChan> Hm. Is there no 'up'- button in Dolphin? o_o
[02:36] <NitaChan> Oh, there
[02:36] <NitaChan> Nvm
[02:37] <NitaChan> Quite lost with KDE. Huff.
[02:37] <NitaChan> Why is there 6 different places to configure looks and feel of KDE? That bothers me. Especially when they all function differently.
[02:39] <illidan> yep thats confuse
[02:40] <illidan> still there is a logic behind it, inside application, outside application, frames, desktops and effects
[02:41] <NitaChan> I have to disagree there. It would make much more sense if there was a single location for changing look-and-feel and inside that location you'd choose which one to modify.
[02:43] <illidan> i'd guess the devs of the settingsmenu wanted it to look like more to appeal to unity leavers </bla>
[02:44] <NitaChan> No idea. I used KDE back in the 1.x days the last time, haven't really followed on what's going on
[02:44] <NitaChan> Just got tired of Unity and how Canonical keeps messing with my desktop every release, so decided to try KDE4 for now
[02:45] <illidan> do you like transparency effects?
[02:45] <NitaChan> When they're useful. Not on window borders, though.
[02:46] <NitaChan> Oh, now this is a step down from GNOME: apparently I can't open files directly from SSH. KDE instead insists on copying them locally first.
[02:47] <NitaChan> GNOME allows opening them directly.
[02:47] <NitaChan> That's quite a hassle :(
[02:47] <cancer> L3top: phew, that was a mess.
[02:47] <cancer> L3top: i was lost. then ran some commands and now got hold.
[02:49] <cancer> illidan: L3top still here?
[02:49] <illidan> cancer: dunno, didnt post since you were talking with him
[02:50] <NitaChan> And even after changing that I want to use double-click to open files instead of single-click Dolphin every now and then, randomly, decides to ignore that. >_<
[02:51] <cancer> L3top: i think can't stay for long here, not because i don't want to, its technical issue. don't know about power failiure time.
[02:51] <illidan> NitaChan: i have the random doubleclick too
[02:51] <illidan> cancer: whats up with your powers?
[02:52] <L3top> Sorry
[02:52] <cancer> illidan: my powers?
[02:52] <L3top> Lingering support on project
[02:52] <illidan> NitaChan: when opening ssh stuff, i have insta open of files, but i cant really verify that as the only ssh in reach is localhost
[02:52] <cancer> L3top: it's fine either perfect you are upto.
[02:53] <L3top> What is the problem you need to overcome cancer? If it is understanding *buntu's directory structure, it is best left to google.
[02:53] <cancer> L3top: don't know when power goes down.
[02:53] <L3top> If you still have GPU issues, I can do that
[02:53] <L3top> Ok cancer... it is 11pm here
[02:53] <L3top> go ahead and power down and unplug
[02:53] <NitaChan> illidan: atleast with the few files I tried the system insisted on making local copies of them first before opening them. That is something that really bothers me.
[02:53] <L3top> I will be around
[02:54] <cancer> L3top: no way, i've been here from pm too and it's now 7:54Am here.
[02:54] <cancer> from 11pm*
[02:54] <illidan> NitaChan: in dolphin or in konqeror?
[02:54] <NitaChan> Dolphin
[02:55] <cancer> L3top: don't want to disturb you in between your work, can tell me straight. it'll be fine.
[02:55] <illidan> NitaChan: i dont think it matters but try in konqueror. how big are the files, maybe there is a threshold
[02:55] <NitaChan> The files I tried were under 1 megabyte
[02:56] <NitaChan> I got a few large files I can try with, too, though
[02:58] <illidan> i can open files directly, hm but as said its localhost
[02:58] <cancer> L3top: Nvidia quadro FX 1000 (2 DVI outputs), using IBM E72 Monitor VGA (no DVI Input). beside i'm using a DVI --> VGA connecter. Now continue to the Graphics issue.
[02:59] <illidan> cancer: what do you mean with power? power inside your computer or your local powergrid?
[02:59] <cancer> illidan: local powergrid.
[02:59] <NitaChan> illidan: Nope, Konqueror insists on doing the same thing. And both insist on doing local copies even with large files.
[03:00] <cancer> illidan: it's not even a local, it's a national issue now a days. but have also heard from ppl about 'Once upon a time.....'
[03:00] <cancer> :-p
[03:01] <cancer> maybe in past, now present can't say anything about future issues. :)
[03:02] <cancer> L3top: Nvidia quadro FX 1000 (2 DVI outputs), using IBM E72 Monitor VGA (no DVI Input). beside i'm using a DVI --> VGA connecter. Now continue to the Graphics issue.
[03:02] <illidan> NitaChan: look for packages with names like kio- or kioslave or konq-plugins konqueror-something, because: libkio5 - Network-enabled File Management Library for the KDE Platform sounds fitting
[03:03] <NitaChan> I just asked over on #kde, I suppose they should know
[03:03] <illidan> cancer: whats your graka thing? its not in my chatlog.
[03:04] <illidan> NitaChan: good idea
[03:04] <cancer> 'graka'?
[03:05] <illidan> um, oops gpu issues i meent
[03:06] <illidan> graka is german abbreviation for grafikkarte which is like graphics adapter
[03:06] <illidan> *meent -> meant
[03:08] <NitaChan> God it's hard to write with long nails on my N900 :D
[03:08] <illidan> :D
[03:10] <illidan> i had a similar phone but i dont usually have long nails
[03:10] <NitaChan> Well, you're likely male, and males often do not have long nails.
[03:10] <illidan> yep
[03:11] <illidan> did you get something in the kde channel?
[03:12] <NitaChan> Nope. A necromancer would love it there, it's all dead.
[03:17] <NitaChan> I really would like to get it fixed, though. I definitely do not wish to have my files copied over every single time I open them.
[03:18] <sky100> can any one suggest me how to install "inxi " in kubuntu 12.04?
[03:18] <illidan> NitaChan: try apt-get install konq-plugins
[03:19] <sky100> i was typing command in konsole " sudo apt-get install inxi
[03:19] <sky100> but its not getting it
[03:19] <sky100> pls help
[03:20] <illidan> sky100: its not in there, ill have a look at the project site
[03:20] <NitaChan> What is inxi?
[03:21] <illidan> NitaChan: dont know but seems to be a system specs displayer for commandline with irc integration
[03:21] <NitaChan> illidan: nope, installing those plugins didn't do a thing
[03:22] <illidan> NitaChan: did you relogin?
[03:22] <NitaChan> No, I just restarted Konq
[03:22] <sky100> ok, illidan
[03:22] <illidan> sky100: try this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1352937
[03:23] <NitaChan> sky100: install repositories from here: http://cathbard.com/cathbard-repo-howto.html and then install inxi with 'apt-get update && apt-get install inxi ' from command-line
[03:23] <sky100> ok , illidan
[03:23] <sky100> ty
[03:24] <illidan> no do nita chans advise
[03:24] <illidan> the thread i found is propably older
[03:24] <NitaChan> https://code.google.com/p/inxi/ is apparently the homepage to inxi, though Google returned several different kinds of Inxi
[03:27] <nurupo> need a little help -> http://paste.kde.org/481562/
[03:28] <sky100> sorry could not comprehend the cathbard.. NitaChan
[03:28] <NitaChan> nurupo: sorry, I have no idea.
[03:28] <sky100> what am I supposed to do at the begining ...
[03:29] <NitaChan> sky100: what do you mean you didn't comprehend? It clearly reads "Ubuntu Based systems" under which there are three lines of code you enter on command-line
[03:29] <NitaChan> You can ignore everything else.
[03:30] <sky100> ok NitaChan
[03:32] <NitaChan> Installing inxi that way works just fine for me,atleast.
[03:32] <sky100> ok NitaChan
[03:33] <sky100> let me see..
[03:33] <sky100> ty
[03:36] <illidan> cathbards repo looks interesting...
[03:39] <illidan> ok but no previews and propably just mintskinf and one for weedsmokers
[03:39] <NitaChan> Hm?
[03:40] <illidan> i looked at the file list of that repo and it seems the only really used thing is inxi
[03:41] <NitaChan> I didn't even bother to look at it more than how to get inxi for that sky100. Idle hands and all that, you see
[03:42] <illidan> i couldnt resist browsing
[03:42] <illidan> im tired but dont want to sleep
[03:43] <NitaChan> Do something interesting then
[03:44] <NitaChan> When I'm really bored but don't wish to sleep I either browse boobies or play one or another MMO. :P
[03:46] <illidan> thats the problem, i must first fix my system...
[03:47] <illidan> but even then i dont know what id do
[03:48] <NitaChan> What's the problem?
[03:49] <illidan> i wanted to watch a movie but sound is crackling like hell and i cont figure why
[03:50] <NitaChan> I assume you've tried with other players?
[03:51] <illidan> yep player independent
[03:51] <NitaChan> Hm, then it's likely a driver issue
[03:51] <illidan> also independent of digital or analog port
[03:52] <NitaChan> Or it could just be PulseAudio crapping out again.
[03:52] <NitaChan> It tends to suck.
[03:52] <illidan> thatd be the most likely
[03:52] <illidan> does pulseaudio directly interfere with alsa workings or is it just on top?
[03:53] <NitaChan> PulseAudio runs on top of ALSA, yes, but it keeps adjusting ALSA-settings all the time and does some low-level things with it
[03:54] <illidan> thats what i mean, because it crackles also using aplay
[03:54] <NitaChan> I'm just glad I use Windows on my desktop and Linux only on my server and virtual-machine
[03:55] <illidan> i am seriously considerung to go back to windows as desktop because its such a hassle to maintain with linux
[03:55] <illidan> but its like a challenge with slight addiction
[03:56] <NitaChan> I used Linux on my desktop for about 10 years, but I got tired with something constantly breaking without any good reason
[03:57] <illidan> i used linux in 2000 but as non owner at thinclients, it worked always but the admin was really wrecked most of the time
[03:58] <Surlent777> has anyone else noticed that phonon wants to completely ignore any and all priority levels for devices and just does as it pleases? Or is it just me?
[03:58] <illidan> which release?
[03:58] <Surlent777> 12.04
[03:58] <Surlent777> upgrade
[03:58] <illidan> in oneiric its that way
[03:59] <Surlent777> It used to more or less work in oneiric for this
[03:59] <illidan> how are these categories organized anyway?
[04:00] <Surlent777> all I'm trying to do is use some USB headset, and only random applications like mocp use it, while Amarok and Skype refuse...I just don't get it. Everything in phonon's settings clearly indicates that the headset receives priority
[04:00] <Surlent777> though curiously enough, VLC is fine
[04:02] <illidan> amarok gets definitely recognized as music
[04:03] <illidan> vlc is not categorized as video but propably as just something
[04:03] <Surlent777> dragon works too
[04:04] <illidan> for me dragon is in video category
[04:04] <Surlent777> okay, here's a thing
[04:04] <illidan> maybe its just for the kde own apps
[04:04] <Surlent777> I go to the System Notifications bit and have it play a test sound
[04:05] <Surlent777> and get a popup telling me it wants to revert to the internal soundcard, with a button that lets me cancel that and have it go through the headset
[04:05] <Surlent777> except then it doesn't go through the headset
[04:05] <Surlent777> repeat infinitely
[04:06] <illidan> hmm
[04:06] <Surlent777> I've tried both gstreamer and vlc backends to no avail
[04:06] <illidan> so for the categories, yes they are only for the kde own apps
[04:07] <Surlent777> KDE notification sounds are a part of that
[04:07] <Surlent777> and it still ignores that
[04:07] <Surlent777> but then unrelated apps like mocp work, and then Skype doesn't
[04:07] <Surlent777> and I somehow got Amarok behaving via a similar bubble
[04:07] <illidan> you can propably switch the used device in the settings of the apps temself
[04:07] <Surlent777> not possible
[04:08] <Surlent777> Skype, for instance, looks to the pulseaudio server
[04:08] <Surlent777> which should be controlled through phonon
[04:08] <illidan> i think skype is considered as communication
[04:08] <illidan> but i dont ahve it installed
[04:08] <Surlent777> I know this because if pulseaudio crashes, phonon's config thing just shows some generic pulseaudio entry, but after restarting pulse, it shows my devices
[04:09] <illidan> vlc can change on its own and play directly to alsa
[04:09] <illidan> amarok cant
[04:10] <illidan> maybe you can arrange that in a working way
[04:10] <cancer> Back
[04:10] <Surlent777> amarok and vlc are working
[04:10] <illidan> or just dump pulseaudio and do a alsa setup
[04:10] <Surlent777> skype is refusing to work properly, and so are system notification sounds
[04:10] <illidan> do you mean sound at all or for specific program/device association
[04:11] <cancer> illidan: can't here any sound. do i need to update drivers
[04:11] <Surlent777> random programs and subsystems are not producing sounds, e.g. skype and system notifications
[04:11] <Surlent777> or wait no
[04:11] <Surlent777> they're producing them
[04:11] <Surlent777> but to the wrong device
[04:11] <Surlent777> there
[04:11] <FloodBotK1> Surlent777: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:12] <illidan> cancer: wait have to drink coffe brain is down
[04:12] <illidan> cant multitask
[04:12] <Surlent777> but testing the headset in phonon's configuration thing shows it has no problem playing sounds to the headset
[04:12] <Surlent777> I really don't get this
[04:13] <cancer> illidan: thanks, but i firgured out. it's not working with builtin speaker. but with headphone & external speakers.
[04:13] <illidan> cancer: try using speaker-test on console
[04:13] <illidan> ah ok
[04:13] <cancer> L3top: hey
[04:13] <Surlent777> if I do that it plays to my headphones...
[04:14] <cancer> illidan: yup, to headphones & external speakers, but not for machine built in speaker.
[04:15] <illidan> surlent, um did you try changing for the main category "Audio playback"? sounds silly but i have overseen it on first phonon experience
[04:15] <Surlent777> all of the categories, including the meta-categories, explicitly have the headset as the highest priority
[04:15] <illidan> cancer: post lspci to pastebinit
[04:16] <cancer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/993567/
[04:17] <cancer> ubottu | wine
[04:18] <illidan> ubottu | wtf
[04:18] <cancer> illidan: do i have to install simple wine 'sudo apt-get install wine' or there is some other commands for wine, i mean some bug fixed version.
[04:19] <illidan> i'd first try the normal wine from repository
[04:19] <illidan> most stuff works but for games or photoshop there may be specific fitting versions, for that install playonlinux
[04:20] <Surlent777> I wonder if deleting some config files would help
[04:20] <cancer> illidan: Are you done with http://paste.ubuntu.com/993567/?
[04:21] <illidan> um not quite im slow thinking somehow
[04:21] <illidan> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[04:25] <cancer> almoxarife: you there?
[04:25] <illidan> Surlent777, the applications may have issues themself with pulseaudio, either disable that or give me onbe specific application you want to work, but i cannot give you much more than google right now, as pulseaudio specifics are also a bit ,ystc to me
[04:26] <illidan> *,ystc -> mystic *onbe -> one
[04:27] <illidan> cancer?
[04:27] <Surlent777> google is useless at this point. I've been browsing the entire time.
[04:27] <cancer> illidan: where i can download dictonary for my language?
[04:27] <illidan> wait can you read german? if not i hace an idea
[04:28] <illidan> kde system settings / locale
[04:30] <illidan> surlent do you know this thread? the german one is gone anyway http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/PerfectSetup
[04:30] <Surlent777> I've seen it, yeah
[04:31] <Surlent777> it seemed irrelvant as of a couple of releases ago
[04:32] <illidan> most things could still be worth trying
[04:33] <illidan> what soundcard do you have?
[04:33] <illidan> stereo or more?
[04:34] <Surlent777> intel 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio
[04:34] <illidan> okay so same driver is mine
[04:34] <Surlent777> and a Creative USB headset, branded as "Fatal1ty" in honour of a Quake player
[04:35] <illidan> what is the most important app which doesnt give sound on non headset?
[04:35] <Surlent777> Skype, probably.
[04:35] <Surlent777> wait
[04:35] <Surlent777> no
[04:35] <Surlent777> everything works without the headset
[04:36] <illidan> without ok
[04:36] <illidan> and with it plugged in it stops working for those
[04:36] <illidan> but plays still on headset
[04:36] <illidan> did i get it nowß
[04:36] <Surlent777> no
[04:37] <Surlent777> without the headset, all is well
[04:37] <Surlent777> with the headset, some things still play through the internal sound card and NOT the headset
[04:38] <illidan> but others play well on the headset?
[04:39] <Surlent777> right
[04:39] <Surlent777> currently, I can confirm Skype and system notification sounds as NOT working on the headset, whereas Amarok, VLC, Dragon, and Flash all DO work on the headset
[04:40] <illidan> set every single category in phonon to the headset
[04:40] <Surlent777> did that already
[04:42] <illidan> wait
[04:45] <illidan> i have got lots of wtfery here but how do you choose your headset?
[04:45] <Surlent777> I plug it in, go into Phonon's settings, select a category, click headset, click Prefer until it's at the top, Apply
[04:45] <Surlent777> initially anyway; after the first time it is supposed to remember that
[04:45] <Surlent777> which it does
[04:46] <illidan> hm its more complicated in my interface
[04:46] <illidan> its totally messed up
[04:47] <Surlent777> hm
[04:48] <Surlent777> I just confirmed that pidgin is working fine in regards to sound output
[04:48] <Surlent777> as is Jamestown
[04:48] <Surlent777> it's just the notifications and Skype that refuse to play nice...
[04:50] <illidan> what else than skype?
[04:50] <illidan> i dont have it installed
[04:50] <Surlent777> so far just as I said
[04:50] <Surlent777> system notification sounds don't come through the headset
[04:50] <Surlent777> just checked TiMiDiTy++ and that works
[04:51] <illidan> how can i best provoke a notification?
[04:52] <Surlent777> go into any system setting module, change something, then hit the back arrow
[04:52] <Surlent777> it'll chime and ask if you want to discard the change or not
[04:52] <illidan> yep and it doesnt work for me either
[04:52] <windbuntu> i had to turn off my external speakers switch to make my headset work properly.
[04:53] <Surlent777> I...don't think I have a switch for that
[04:53] <illidan> that worked for me
[04:53] <windbuntu> it was driving me nuts till i did that
[04:54] <illidan> surlent i have a similar soundcard and the same headset
[04:54] <Surlent777> what kind of switch do you speak of?
[04:54] <windbuntu> on my logitech speacker, it came with a little toggle switch thats separate from the speakers
[04:54] <illidan> my soundcard is connected to an a/v receiver which i can switch off
[04:54] <Surlent777> my soundcard is inside a laptop
[04:54] <illidan> oh
[04:55] <illidan> XD
[04:55] <windbuntu> but still in the preferences somehwere there must be something to mimic the same thing
[04:55] <illidan> i have an idea to workaround that
[04:56] <windbuntu> on my laptop i had to go into control panel when i had a simliar problem in windows
[04:56] <Surlent777> wait wut
[04:56] <Surlent777> I just tested Skype's bot
[04:56] <Surlent777> and THAT part goes through the headset
[04:56] <Surlent777> so sod that
[04:56] <illidan> but, how many outputs does your laptop card have?
[04:56] <Surlent777> the only thing not playing nice is the notification sounds, period
[04:56] <windbuntu> it was a pain because it was like one of many tabs in a folder that finally had the adjustment i needed
[04:57] <windbuntu> i had to click on all the tabs to find it
[04:57] <windbuntu> because i didnt know which one it was
[04:57] <Surlent777> my laptop sound card has two ports, one for a typical headphone set, and one for a mic. However, I'm using a USB headset with its own built-in soundcard
[04:59] <illidan> hmm it may be possible to artificially add separate devices, through asoundrc but, if the headphone out mutes your main sound it may not work
[04:59] <windbuntu> what happens if you turn of the sound to the laptop speakers
[05:01] <illidan> i will post you my conffile and then you can see what happens after a relogin with this applied
[05:01] <windbuntu> right clcik the sound icon, then click sound settings. i am in ubuntu so i cant really say but it looks like the adjustment is right there.
[05:01] <Surlent777> nothing in there is useful
[05:02] <windbuntu> not even under the output tab?
[05:02] <Surlent777> nope..
[05:02] <windbuntu> what brand is this headset
[05:02] <Surlent777> creative
[05:02] <windbuntu> is it kind of a current model
[05:03] <Surlent777> but it seems to me that we have Phonon systematically ignoring any and every priority setting related to specifically system notifications
[05:03] <Surlent777> yes
[05:03] <Surlent777> I'd think so
[05:03] <windbuntu> do you have all the updates
[05:03] <Surlent777> yep
[05:04] <illidan> post me this aplay -l | pastebinit
[05:04] <windbuntu> well this is prolly a lot to ask but if it were me id prolly try it in ubuntu and see if it works
[05:04] <windbuntu> even if just in the VM
[05:04] <Surlent777> a VM would only show that Virtualbox is able to use the headset
[05:05] <Surlent777> illidan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/993612/
[05:06] <illidan> huh
[05:06] <illidan> your headset is usb connected?
[05:06] <illidan> mine not
[05:06] <Surlent777> as I said, yeah, it's USB headset and has a built-in sound card
[05:06] <Surlent777> quite the thing
[05:06] <Surlent777> I think it's actually better than my desktop's sound card
[05:07] <illidan> give me aplay -L please
[05:09] <illidan> i mean this time with the capitalized L
[05:09] <Surlent777> http://paste.ubuntu.com/993615/
[05:09] <Surlent777> I hope this script is kind enough to set things to expire
[05:17] <illidan> almost
[05:21] <Surlent777> wish I knew why and how it was that only one particular category of sound is discriminated against. This just seems so random
[05:21] <safridzal> help please, how to make kubuntu power management recognize usb joystick input ??
[05:23] <illidan> power management and joystick?
[05:23] <Surlent777> I think he means to use the joystick like a mouse
[05:23] <safridzal> yep
[05:23] <safridzal> I use it to play supertuxkart and i have to move my mouse to avoid blank screen management
[05:23] <Surlent777> ohhh
[05:24] <Surlent777> I...huh. I've never run into that, though I have a similar problem with video players
[05:24] <safridzal> my google have no useful result
[05:25] <safridzal> Surlent777: i dont know, but my mplayer respect the "avoid screen saver" option
[05:25] <illidan> whats a good filehoster?
[05:26] <illidan> wayne i pastebinit
[05:27] <Surlent777> safridzal: I use vlc and have settings enabled to disable the screensaver and the power management and my screen still fades if I sit for 10 minutes
[05:28] <safridzal> wew.. maybe you should change your player :D
[05:28] <safridzal> i use smplayer, and it runs just great
[05:28] <illidan> surlent, try this as a file named .asoundrc in your homefolder, restart, leave your headset connected and look if you see new devices which you can arrange in phonon
[05:28] <illidan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/993623/
[05:29] <illidan> safri, do you have latest kubuntu?
[05:29] <safridzal> on my natty time, smplayer cant play 1080p, only  vlc can do that.. but on this precise, smplayer was great
[05:30] <safridzal> System:    Host aragorn-1215B Kernel 3.2.0-23-generic x86_64 (64 bit, gcc 4.6.3)
[05:30] <safridzal>            Desktop KDE 4.8.2 (Qt 4.8.1) Distro Ubuntu 12.04 precise
[05:30] <Surlent777> looks like it
[05:30] <illidan> yep
[05:30] <illidan> vlc power management inhibitor works for me without config
[05:30] <safridzal> so, how about my usb joystick??
[05:31] <illidan> what joystick is it?
[05:31] <safridzal> it says "digital pad" on it
[05:31] <Surlent777> illidan: I suspect my monitor is energy-star and that operates separetely
[05:31] <safridzal> [   68.184442] pantherlord 0003:0810:0001.0002: input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 Joystick [Twin USB Joystick] on usb-0000:00:12.0-1/input0
[05:31] <safridzal> [   68.184481] pantherlord 0003:0810:0001.0002: Force feedback for PantherLord/GreenAsia devices by Anssi Hannula<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:31] <Surlent777> I found a thing that might fix that, which I'll test later
[05:32] <safridzal> thats my dmesg about the joystick
[05:32] <illidan> surlent: wtf?
[05:32] <Surlent777> ?
[05:32] <illidan> ah ok
[05:32] <Surlent777> illidan: c.f. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11497802
[05:32] <illidan> XD i couldnt make sense for a minute
[05:33] <Surlent777> oh ok
[05:33] <Surlent777> erm, regarding that .asoundrc, I'm not sure I see how it would be effective
[05:34] <illidan> pulseaudio sees the devices and puts them in the list to choose in phonon
[05:35] <illidan> thats a merely a guess as that is what pulseaudio normally does
[05:35] <Surlent777> I can choose devices presently; the thing is that phonon can't/won't use an alternative output for "system notification" soounds; everything else seems to work
[05:35] <Surlent777> music, video, games, recording, all seem to work
[05:35] <Surlent777> just not that category
[05:36] <illidan> wait did i leave the section with the monoplug in the file?
[05:36] <Wizard> Good morning everybody :)
[05:36] <illidan> omg a wizard !
[05:36] <illidan> morning
[05:37] <safridzal> morning Wizard
[05:37] <illidan> this monoplug could be set for notificaion category and might get them to work
[05:37] <safridzal> Fri May 18 12:37:37 WIT 2012
[05:37] <Wizard> illidan: what?!
[05:38] <illidan> its meant to Surlent777
[05:38] <Wizard> OK.
[05:38] <illidan> his notifications wont get played on the headset and i gave him a brainfart idea config from me as possibility to try
[05:38] <Surlent777> Wizard: I am having the weirest issue with Kubuntu 12.04 wherein my USB headset works fine except for the fact that system notification sounds, like the Skype test sound or the chime when you are asked if you want to save your settings, refuses to play through the headset, playing instead through the laptop speakers
[05:41] <Wizard> Surlent777: o_O
[05:41] <Surlent777> everything else works...Phonon just has a blood-grudge against notification sounds
[05:42] <Wizard> USB headset is usually a usb soundcard integrated with headphones...
[05:42] <safridzal> Wizard: do you know how to make power management recpect usb joystick input ?? I use it to play supertuxkart and i have to move my mouse to avoid blank screen management
[05:42] <Surlent777> yeah
[05:42] <Wizard> I'll be back in few minutes.
[05:42] <Surlent777> safridzal: did you yet try disabling power management through the normal settings windows? Does that change things?
[05:43] <illidan> safri did you try the thing suggested in the end of thread surlent posted?
[05:43] <Surlent777> yeah, that's kind of what I was leading up to
[05:43] <safridzal> Surlent777: i still want my power managemet runnning
[05:43] <safridzal> im on netbook here
[05:44] <Surlent777> well, power management wouldn't normally kick in while running a game anyway
[05:44] <safridzal> illidan: what tread?
[05:44] <illidan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11497802
[05:45] <Surlent777> I'm curious to see if the xset thing will work for me. Back in 15.
[05:45] <safridzal> illidan: my movie player run just fine
[05:46] <illidan> so while movies the power management works?
[05:46] <illidan> but not in supertuxcart?
[05:47] <safridzal> yep
[05:47] <safridzal> ah, not like that
[05:47] <illidan> but the last post is independent of the application
[05:47] <safridzal> i mean, the problem lies on the joystick
[05:47] <illidan> try xset q and look what happens
[05:47] <illidan> ?
[05:47] <safridzal> it dont respect the joystick input
[05:47] <safridzal> ok will do
[05:48] <safridzal>  Standby: 600    Suspend: 900    Off: 1200
[05:48] <safridzal>   DPMS is Enabled
[05:48] <safridzal>   Monitor is On
[05:48] <safridzal> so??
[05:48] <safridzal> its not monitor-related issue i think..
[05:49] <illidan> um
[05:50] <illidan> do you know if its the screen blackening of kde or the monitor turning off?
[05:50] <safridzal> it follow my power management setting
[05:50] <safridzal> first it dimming
[05:51] <safridzal> then after 15 min, it turn off
[05:52] <safridzal> so the OS didnt recognize my input
[05:52] <safridzal> it just detect keyboard and mouse, not the joystick
[05:55] <illidan> it may be possible to activate it somewhere but i have to search
[05:56] <safridzal> illidan: its no where on google...
[05:56] <safridzal> :(
[05:56] <illidan> no i am searching for in my sys folder if there is a way of setting
[05:57] <illidan> but i dont have your joystick i have to find an equivalent from which i can find something else
[05:58] <safridzal> wait, where is my sys folder ?
[05:59] <safridzal> maybe i can search it too
[05:59] <safridzal> :)
[05:59] <Surlent777> how annoying
[05:59] <Surlent777> the screen still dims
[06:00] <illidan> its in the root folder but its nowhere near obviously named
[06:01] <illidan> do this: ls /sys/class/usb and look whats in there
[06:03] <safridzal> ls: cannot access /sys/class/usb: No such file or directory
[06:04] <safridzal> ls: cannot access /sys/class/usb: No such file or directory
[06:04] <safridzal> still
[06:05] <Surlent777> well, I'm about done for the night. Thanks for the help guys.
[06:05] <illidan> is it usb or gameport connected?
[06:05] <illidan> good night
[06:06] <safridzal> its connected
[06:06] <illidan> to what port
[06:06] <safridzal> dont know
[06:07] <safridzal> [ 4143.068253] usb 3-3: new low-speed USB device number 6 using ohci_hcd
[06:07] <safridzal> [ 4143.250033] input: Twin USB Joystick as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/usb3/3-3/3-3:1.0/input/input18
[06:07] <safridzal> [ 4143.250534] input: Twin USB Joystick as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/usb3/3-3/3-3:1.0/input/input19
[06:07] <safridzal> just it
[06:07] <safridzal> [ 4143.251315] pantherlord 0003:0810:0001.0005: input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 Joystick [Twin USB Joystick] on usb-0000:00:12.0-3/input0
[06:07] <safridzal> [ 4143.251349] pantherlord 0003:0810:0001.0005: Force feedback for PantherLord/GreenAsia devices by Anssi Hannula<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:08] <illidan> is pci0000:00 in /sys ?
[06:08] <coder2> Hello. Is there a way to set default keyboard layout after login? My session always starts with the alternate keyboard layout which is annoying. Please help.
[06:09] <safridzal> illidan: yep
[06:09] <safridzal> its on /sys/devices
[06:09] <illidan> then go in the subfolders and search for power
[06:10] <safridzal> then?
[06:10] <illidan> and do: cat FILENAME for files named control or autosuspend_delay in there
[06:10] <illidan> thats my guess
[06:11] <safridzal> whats the command do??
[06:11] <illidan> do is no command
[06:11] <illidan> cat is the command
[06:12] <illidan> i made the : that you dont interpret do as part od the command
[06:13] <safridzal> not like that
[06:13] <safridzal> i mean, whats the fungtion of "cat FILENAME"
[06:13] <illidan> cat displays whats in there to the commandline
[06:14] <safridzal> cat control . auto
[06:14] <safridzal> cat control > auto
[06:14] <illidan> ?
[06:14] <safridzal> aragorn@aragorn-1215B:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/power$ cat autosuspend_delay_ms
[06:14] <safridzal> cat: autosuspend_delay_ms: Input/output error
[06:14] <safridzal> aragorn@aragorn-1215B:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/power$ cat control
[06:14] <safridzal> auto
[06:14] <illidan> ah
[06:14] <illidan> ok
[06:15] <illidan> that is present
[06:15] <safridzal> aragorn@aragorn-1215B:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/power$ cat runtime_suspended_time
[06:15] <safridzal> 0
[06:15] <safridzal> i dont know the meaning
[06:15] <illidan> now i dont know how or what we would exactly modify to make it recognized
[06:15] <illidan> i am just reading this if i am finding somehting
[06:15] <illidan> http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/usb/power-management.txt#71#
[06:15]  * Wizard is back.
[06:16] <safridzal> wb Wizard
[06:16] <safridzal> ah,,,
[06:16] <safridzal> ok then, thanks illidan
[06:16] <safridzal> will continue my googling..
[06:17] <Wizard> Did Surlent solved his USB speakers issue?
[06:17] <Wizard> did solve*
[06:18] <illidan> i dont know really
[06:18] <illidan> he didnt make a response about if my asoundrc idea worked
[06:19] <illidan> and then he got over to another thing with his monitor or something
[06:19] <illidan> safridzal?
[06:19] <safridzal> yo?
[06:21] <illidan> try this   echo on > /sys/PATHTOYOURDEVICE/power/control      and test if it works
[06:22] <safridzal> illidan: is that reverseable ?
[06:22] <illidan> that sets it from autosuspend to never suspend
[06:22] <illidan> yes
[06:22] <illidan> reversable by this       echo auto > /sys/PATHTOYOURDEVICE/power/control
[06:22] <safridzal> where is my pathdevice??
[06:23] <safridzal> on my input device on system setting it says Twin USB Joystick (/dev/input/js0)
[06:23] <illidan> i think /sys/devices/pci0000:00/power
[06:24] <illidan> as thats what you posted
[06:25] <safridzal> aragorn@aragorn-1215B:~$ echo on /sys/devices/pci0000:00/power/control
[06:25] <safridzal> on /sys/devices/pci0000:00/power/control
[06:25] <safridzal> is that right?
[06:25] <illidan> yes
[06:25] <safridzal> i'll play stk then
[06:25] <safridzal> brb
[06:25] <illidan> jep
[06:29] <safridzal> illidan: it still exist
[06:30] <safridzal> it dim my screen
[06:31] <safridzal> illidan: i think i'll have to get used to id
[06:31] <safridzal> thanks for the help
[06:31] <safridzal> gotago
[06:34] <illidan> oh
[06:35] <illidan> well goodbye then, if i find something like that ill post it somewhere were it will be found
[06:43]  * illidan is taking the hobbits to isengard
[06:59] <abso> pringz
[07:03] <Wizard> abso: ?
[07:06] <abso> i was trying to see if someone was on the channel still, apparently not
[07:08] <cancer> l3top: hey
[07:09] <cancer> L3tops: hey
[08:30] <rethus> is there a gui for truecrypt on kde?
[08:31] <rethus> wow, truecrypt itself has a gui... nice
[09:23] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:49] <illidan> Hi, where do I get libasound_module_pcm_a52 ?
[09:54] <rork> !find libasound_module_pcm_a52 | illidan_
[09:55] <illidan_> rork, ubottu, why does it not exist
[10:00] <rork> That surprises me also, because the documentation IS available in the package it should be in (libasound2-plugins)
[10:01] <illidan_> hm
[10:02] <rork> maybe this still works: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1376725
[10:03] <illidan_> the build from the ubuntu source package fails because of missing files from the archive
[10:03] <illidan_> i took the tarball from alsa-project.org now it worked, magic moment if its in there....
[10:03] <illidan_> YEAH
[10:04] <illidan_> no
[10:04] <illidan_> only the .la not the .so
[10:47] <rene__> Hello I am a newby on IRC, what can this programm do for me?
[10:54] <ikonia> nothing if you wait less than 60 seconds
[10:55] <mydogsnameisrudy> ;)
[11:03] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:10] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning BluesKaj
[11:12] <BluesKaj> 'morning mydogsnameisrudy
[11:30] <coder2> Hello. I've encountered system hang when zooming map in Google Earth. I double-checked this. I'm sure that it worked before I've updated 11.10 to 12.04.
[11:30] <coder2> My video-adapter is Intel embedded.
[11:32] <coder2> Intel SandyBridge chip.
[11:33] <BluesKaj> coder2, intel onboard , then run this find the actual model , lspci | grep VGA
[11:33] <BluesKaj> to find
[11:34] <coder2> BluesKaj, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[11:36] <BluesKaj> coder2, that's not precise enough , sudo lshw -C video
[11:36] <BluesKaj> pastebin the output, coder2
[11:38] <BluesKaj> coder2, or you paste the "product " here
[11:38] <coder2> BluesKaj, http://pastebin.com/ek8QcPAL
[11:42] <BluesKaj> coder2,  well you have the right driver installed , the i915
[11:44] <coder2> BluesKaj, I have no idea. I'm used to have NVidia hardware at home. But this one is my office workstation.
[11:44] <BluesKaj> coder2, personally I gave up on google earth ...too many problems ...google maps works as well or better in my experience
[11:44] <lordievader> coder2: You could try disabeling the Blur plugin of kwin. It helped me alot on my intel gfx card.
[11:46] <coder2> BluesKaj, I do not care about Google Earth. But I'm pretty sure that a user-space application must not impact system stability
[11:47] <coder2> lordievader, thank you. I'll try it.
[11:47] <BluesKaj> coder2, well , the OS repos only supply the installer for google earth so it's not a default app
[11:50] <coder2> Thank you.
[11:55] <Wizard> Quassel and comfortably in one line! Oxymoron! :D
[11:55] <Tm_T> Wizard: tssssk
[11:56] <Wizard> ]:>
[11:56] <ikonia> ?
[11:57] <Wizard> OK, I'll move this to offtopic.
[12:24] <JuJuBee> Which log file shows commands entered by a user?
[12:42] <ilya> JuJuBee: That would depend on th shell used
[12:42] <Tm_T> ilya: he left already
[12:42] <Tm_T> s/he/they/
[12:42] <ilya> oops, didn't see...
[12:42] <ilya> should have looked...
[12:42] <ilya> thx
[13:25] <ALS-IT-NET-PC> Hello allways for you..
[13:25] <ALS-IT-NET-PC> Good bye...
[14:00] <eagles0513875> yay xen is broken on :( or at least not loading my desktop :(
[16:53] <paolo_> hi. which is the alsa development package in 11.10 ?
[16:56] <e_t_> paolo_: I'd guess "libasound2-dev"
[16:58] <cancer_> L3tops: HI
[16:58] <paolo_> e_t_: thanks. it was not really easy to guess that. I don''t know why they choose so tricky names
[16:58] <L3tops> hello cancer_.
[16:58] <cancer_> hello, nice to see you again.
[16:59] <e_t_> paolo_: I found that with "apt-cache search alsa | grep dev"
[16:59] <lordievader> Hey cancer_ How is it goinh?
[16:59] <cancer_> i haven't slept from last night.
[16:59] <cancer_> lordievader: fine, hows about you. :)
[17:00] <paolo_> e_t_: I searched it in a similar way... the best thing would be having clear library names.
[17:00] <lordievader> cancer_: Sleep is quite important. I'm doing well btw/
[17:00] <cancer_> L3tops: we are not finished with graphic drivers, but i have figured some other ways. but those were without installing drivers.
[17:01] <L3tops> what do you need cancer_?
[17:01] <cancer_> Lordievader: yes, you are right. i'll be going for sleep this night after an hour maybe.
[17:02] <paolo_> thanks, bye
[17:02] <cancer_> L3tops: you told me to install a fresh copy. before that we were installing some 'libs' for nvidia quadro fx1000.
[17:03] <cancer_> l3tops: http://paste.kde.org/481916/
[17:04] <cancer_> L3tops: i think you are still busy with projects testing.
[17:04] <L3tops> I am all over the map I am afraid.
[17:05] <cancer_> L3tops: hahaha, life is all yours.
[17:05] <L3tops> ok... I would expect that would still work with the proprietary nvidia drivers
[17:05] <cancer_> L3tops: they worked without drivers, but after a reboot it's lost.
[17:07] <cancer_> lordievader: which version of wine i should install?
[17:07] <L3tops> I dont fool with xrandr, we build our own xorg.conf files
[17:07] <L3tops> I couldnt tell you how to make that change permanent
[17:07] <cancer_> L3tops: but i will prefer the change with drivers installed.
[17:08] <cancer_> L3tops: i believe they can be fixed permanently, i
[17:08] <cancer_> i'm not wrong then it could be done with startup thingy. right.
[17:09] <L3tops> right
[17:09] <xperta> hola
[17:10] <cancer_> L3tops: are we going to install driver first?
[17:10] <eagles0513875> ok guys I'm swearing my head off its been a nightmare to get a fresh install
[17:10] <eagles0513875> and now i have no kde and cannot get to a tty after doing a net install of 64bit 12.04
[17:10] <eagles0513875> any ideas would be greatly appreciated
[17:10] <L3tops> !details | eagles0513875
[17:10] <L3tops> what went wrong eagles0513875?
[17:10] <eagles0513875> L3tops: all I'm doing is a normal boot up
[17:10] <L3tops> one second cancer_
[17:10] <eagles0513875> installation was successful
[17:11] <eagles0513875> all I'm left with is a grey screen no desktop no nothing
[17:11] <eagles0513875> can't get to a tty either
[17:12] <L3tops> what is the gpu eagles0513875?
[17:12] <eagles0513875> L3tops: nvidia gtx 550ti 1gb card
[17:14] <L3tops> eagles0513875: I would expect this is the source of the problem. I would try and get to a root console and apt-get install nvidia-current.
[17:14] <L3tops> brb
[17:15] <eagles0513875> L3tops: i can't even get to the grub prompt to get into recovery
[17:17] <L3top> back
[17:18] <cancer> L3tops: wb
[17:18] <cancer> l3tops: that only took one Second and your appeares :-p
[17:18] <cancer> appeared*
[17:19] <eagles0513875> L3tops: i have no way to do anything :-/
[17:19] <eagles0513875> can't even get into a root console
[17:20] <cancer> eagles0513875: there's always a way to do anything with linux, when you know nothing.
[17:20] <cancer> eagles0513875: have you tried with builtin graphic
[17:20] <eagles0513875> cancer: this motherboard does not have
[17:21] <eagles0513875> cancer: L3top suggested installing nvidia current if i could get into a root prompt but i cant
[17:21] <eagles0513875> grey screen no tty access either
[17:21] <new2net> I have two machines with kubuntu on them, two NICs (both show up as eth0) and a cat5 cable. How can I get them to talk to each other other ethernet?
[17:21] <L3top> cancer: get rid of X and: sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau;  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-173 libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; sudo apt-get -y install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[17:21] <L3top> eagles0513875: boot to live disk we will mount some stuff and chroot in
[17:22] <eagles0513875> other problem is that for some reason i use a bootable usb
[17:22] <Dan39> L3top: you fix the bug yet?
[17:22] <eagles0513875> with normal cd to install my system says the usb is missing OS when its not
[17:22] <cancer> if anything goes wrong, i only need to sudo........remove nvidia-glx-173? right.
[17:22] <eagles0513875> only way i managed was using a net install cd
[17:22] <eagles0513875> net install iso put on a bootable usb
[17:23] <L3top> and sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[17:23] <L3top> how are you creating the usb drive eagles0513875?
[17:23] <eagles0513875> unetbootin
[17:23] <L3top> from what?
[17:23] <eagles0513875> iso
[17:23] <eagles0513875> actually
[17:23] <L3top> sorry what OS
[17:24] <eagles0513875> i had an upgraded 12.04 version which was giving me issues
[17:24] <eagles0513875> had an install which had been setup with my older 8800gt gpu
[17:24] <eagles0513875> i replaced it with the 550
[17:24] <eagles0513875> and didn't remove the old drivers not to mention other issues with xen kernel crashing etc
[17:24] <L3top> well yeah... that could certainly cause problems
[17:24] <L3top> lol
[17:25] <eagles0513875> but i told unetbootin to download and create the bootable usb with the files it needs and it did
[17:25] <L3top> Dan39: I created 10 more
[17:25] <eagles0513875> and the install was successful
[17:25] <Dan39> 60figures
[17:26] <Dan39> create 10 more reports of the one im complaining about?!! :D
[17:26] <Dan39> maybe someone will look into it then haha
[17:26] <L3top> Well... eagles0513875 I expect your USB is reading as a superdisk
[17:26] <cancer> L3top: http://paste.kde.org/481934/
[17:26] <L3top> probably a factoid
[17:26] <L3top> !superdisk
[17:26] <eagles0513875> what do you mean L3top
[17:26] <eagles0513875> wait let me try something
[17:27] <eagles0513875> you got me wondering now if grub was installed on the usb by mistake
[17:27] <L3top> !info nvidia-glx-173
[17:27] <L3top> ffs.
[17:27] <L3top> !info nvidia-glx-175
[17:28] <L3top> oh dear.
[17:28] <eagles0513875> tsimpson: ^ info bot isn't working
[17:28] <eagles0513875> !nvidia
[17:28] <eagles0513875> that what you wanted L3top
[17:28] <tsimpson> eagles0513875: it's working perfectly
[17:28] <genii-around> User error!
[17:28] <eagles0513875> haha i realized after the fact
[17:29] <eagles0513875> omg :( why can't i get a break tonight
[17:29] <L3top> !info nvidia-173
[17:29] <L3top> interesting....
[17:29] <eagles0513875> humm
[17:29] <eagles0513875> i can recreate the usb as a live usb
[17:29] <eagles0513875> let me do that
[17:29] <eagles0513875> this time unetbootin on mac
[17:30] <L3top> sorry cancer... they switched up on me. same thing only different.
[17:30] <cancer> So what now?
[17:31] <adarshajoisa> !superdisk
[17:31] <cancer> ubutto | superdisk
[17:31] <BluesKaj> cancer, what's the onboard graphics card?
[17:32] <cancer> blueskaj: can't say much about that. dont remember.
[17:32] <L3top> cancer: get rid of X and: sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau; sudo apt-get install nvidia-173 libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; sudo apt-get -y install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[17:33] <L3top> cancer... to be clear... lspci | grep VGA only spits out one line
[17:33] <L3top> correct?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> well , I'm sure it will do better than 640x480
[17:33] <BluesKaj> cancer, ^
[17:34] <L3top> !superdrive
[17:34] <L3top> well thats enough polling
[17:34] <cancer> blueskaj: i'm getting a notification ' a new version is available' and clicked and get this --> http://imagebin.org/212908
[17:34] <cancer> Do i need it?
[17:35] <tsimpson> rather than posting random !commands, -> http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[17:35] <L3top> Thank you tsimpson.
[17:36] <L3top> cancer... to be clear... lspci | grep VGA only spits out one line correct?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> are you on 11.10 , cancer ?
[17:37] <cancer> L3top: commands are running. one thing i want to tell ya again about graphic card outputs and about monitor. Graphic card only have DVI Output & Monitor don't have any DVI Inputs. i'm using connector DVI -output- VGA.
[17:37] <cancer> blueskaj: yes.
[17:38] <BluesKaj> cancer, don't think upgrading to 12.04 will help your graphics
[17:38] <cancer> blueskaj: i don't want to use on board graphics, for that i will always need to switch ports when i'll switch to OS Xp.
[17:38] <L3top> cancer: please answer my question
[17:38] <cancer> Blueskaj: i don't want it for Graphics. just if they are important and without bugs.
[17:39] <cancer> L3top: old commands are still in process. can't give another command right now. sorry
[17:39] <BluesKaj> 12.04 is very stable and it works well , less buggy than 11.10 IME
[17:39] <L3top> you could ctrl alt f3
[17:40]  * L3top very fond of 1204
[17:40] <BluesKaj> even at this stage 12.10 is more stable than 11.10 ever was
[17:41] <cancer> blueskaj: any idea how much data will be download for these downloads
[17:41] <cancer> l3top: on the ways
[17:41] <BluesKaj> cancer, what downloads ?
[17:42] <BlouBlou> The best ubuntu version ever was 8.04 hardy
[17:42] <ManDay> Hello, I have a problem.
[17:42] <BlouBlou> ManDay: waht's up?
[17:42] <ManDay> With the "Netbook" Workspace the On Screen keyboard (and others) are a complete mess
[17:42] <ManDay> *and other widgets
[17:43] <cancer> L3top: paste.ubuntu.com/994575
[17:44] <cancer> L3top: http://paste.ubuntu.com/994575
[17:44] <ManDay> Does the keyboard widget work at all?
[17:44] <ManDay> It seems not to in 12.04 !
[17:44] <cancer> blueskaj: i mean how much data will be downloaded for that upgrade
[17:44] <L3top> cancer: probably 1.2 gb or so.
[17:44] <L3top> as memory serves
[17:45] <cancer> l3top: 1.2 will be downloaded?
[17:45] <cancer> 1.2gb*
[17:45] <L3top> at least... if memory serves.
[17:45] <BluesKaj> cancer, well, it will also replace alot of the existing data so the footprint won't be much different on your HDD
[17:45] <ManDay> I'm serious, does anyone use the Keyboard Widget?
[17:45] <ManDay> It's completely unresponsive for me
[17:46] <ManDay> Sits there like one big picture of a keyboard.
[17:46] <cancer> L3top: http://paste.ubuntu.com/994575
[17:46] <cancer> got it?
[17:47] <adarshajoisa> ManDay: the netbook interface doesn't seem to work with a lot of widgets. i couldn't get it working with my 11.10. not very sure about 12.04, though
[17:47] <adarshajoisa> u better switch to desktop layout if possible
[17:47] <L3top> I just added it ManDay and it works on my end
[17:47] <L3top> yes cancer. I just wanted to make sure it wasnt seeing onboard and an addin card
[17:48] <ManDay> L3top: So when you click on a button something happens?
[17:48] <cancer> L3top: do you want outputs for those commands. they are finished.
[17:48] <ManDay> L3top: Not only does the keyboard take focus when I click it, also, nothing happnes!
[17:48] <ManDay> adarshajoisa: It seems like the widgets have some problems with being resized
[17:48] <L3top> typing w it now
[17:49] <L3top> cancer sure
[17:49] <ManDay> L3top: 12.04 ?
[17:49] <ManDay> L3top: How did you add it to the desktop?
[17:49] <L3top> ManDay: yes
[17:50] <adarshajoisa> btw, i can't find netbook interface on my 12.04. isn't it available by default? L3top?
[17:50] <ManDay> adarshajoisa: yes it is
[17:50] <ManDay> System Settings > Workspace settings
[17:50] <L3top> bottom left next to K button, clicked the three colored balls, add widget, typed keyboard, dragged it to taskbar
[17:51] <ManDay> to the taskbar, you say?
[17:51] <ManDay> What is that supposed to mean?
[17:51] <ManDay> Oh, like so
[17:51] <L3top> bottom right near clock.
[17:51] <ManDay> Yeah, I got it
[17:51] <ManDay> Well, yes that works
[17:51] <ManDay> Now try something for me, will you:
[17:51] <L3top> sure
[17:51] <ManDay> Drag it directly onto the desktop
[17:51] <ManDay> See whether that works
[17:52] <cancer> L3top: http://paste.kde.org/481958
[17:52] <ManDay> Son of a ...
[17:52] <ManDay> L3top: You don't happen to notice any layout problems when it's dragged to the taskbar like that?
[17:52] <ManDay> I dragged it like you described, then the keys seem to work but on the other hand I get the same bizarre resizing behaviour that I get on the netbook workspace
[17:53] <ManDay> Completely mad
[17:53] <L3top> yes... its terrible. again, I do not use it... so this is my first view of it.
[17:53] <ManDay> All right, do you happen to know who works on that?
[17:54] <L3top> I do not.
[17:54] <eagles0513875> ManDay: you on a netbook?
[17:54] <eagles0513875> on my netbook i get random plasma netbook shell segfaults
[17:54] <ManDay> eagles0513875: Not exactly. A tablet
[17:54] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[17:54] <eagles0513875> :-/
[17:54] <adarshajoisa> ManDay: yup, got it. the keyboard appears horribly stretched, and there's no way to resize it. is it what happens to you?
[17:54] <eagles0513875> ManDay: do they use the netbook shell layout?
[17:55] <ManDay> adarshajoisa: Yeah, like that
[17:55] <ManDay> eagles0513875: Excuse me?
[17:55] <L3top> cancer: that looks good. I would reboot, and if not satisfactory, try running nvidia-xconfigure before uninstalling/reinstalling nouveau
[17:55] <eagles0513875> ManDay: ignore me I'm trying to find someone with a netbook running kubuntu to confirm an issue I'm having
[17:56] <eagles0513875> L3top: going to try boot off a live usb now
[17:56] <cancer> l3top: simply understand commands. no code word. sorry :D
[18:00] <eagles0513875> omg im bout to flip
[18:02] <eagles0513875> L3top: i cannot even boot of this blessed usb with the live cd stuff on it
[18:02] <eagles0513875> a cd won't even boot or load either
[18:02] <adarshajoisa> ManDay: sorry, i don't know much about the issue, but can't u change to desktop interface? it works perfect there.
[18:04] <L3top> What happens eagles0513875
[18:04] <eagles0513875> i hit start kubuntu or default and it just hangs on that black screen
[18:05] <eagles0513875> only way i can get 12.04 installed is via net install on usb
[18:05] <L3top> !nomodset | eagles0513875
[18:05] <L3top> oh come on...
[18:06] <eagles0513875> L3top: i created the live usb with unetbootin
[18:06] <BluesKaj> L3top, try nomodeset
[18:06] <eagles0513875> !nomodeset
[18:07] <L3top> bah... so bright out here I cant see typos...
[18:07] <L3top> ty BluesKaj
[18:07] <BluesKaj> np L3top
[18:08] <eagles0513875> :D that seems to be working
[18:08] <eagles0513875> so now i need to set that in grub
[18:09] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, don't forget to update-grub
[18:09] <eagles0513875> i wont
[18:09] <BluesKaj> :)
[18:09] <adarshajoisa> ManDay: you can try changing the layout to newspaper layout. the keyboard works there
[18:10] <ManDay> adarshajoisa: Where is that setting? Is it in workspace settings?
[18:11] <adarshajoisa> i do a right click, and settings
[18:12] <ManDay> I have no right click
[18:12] <adarshajoisa> ManDay: actually, right click, "configure page" and change the layout option at the top.
[18:12]  * L3top doesnt think cancer is having a positive experience...
[18:12] <eagles0513875> have a problem
[18:12] <eagles0513875> L3top:
[18:12] <eagles0513875> i have my install on lvm
[18:13] <adarshajoisa> yeah, i'm not sure how you would do that on a tablet. :-/
[18:13] <eagles0513875> and i cannot mount it sadly :(
[18:13] <ManDay> adarshajoisa: Is that menu not accessible through he System Settings?
[18:13] <L3top> fdisk -l eagles0513875
[18:14] <L3top> you do not see it there?
[18:14] <L3top> er sudo fdisk -l
[18:14] <eagles0513875> no i don't
[18:14] <eagles0513875> only my 2tb hdd
[18:14] <Wizard> Good evening.
[18:14] <eagles0513875> not the lv partition
[18:15] <eagles0513875> found it :D
[18:15] <ManDay> adarshajoisa: Got to go - I'll find a way
[18:15] <ManDay> Thank you
[18:15] <adarshajoisa> ManDay: ok, click on the plasma cashew on the bottom left, click on "configure page" and the first option in the window is for layout
[18:15] <eagles0513875> L3top: now how to mount it :-/
[18:15] <adarshajoisa> okies! next time then! :-/
[18:16] <L3top> well... where is it first of all... and can you open it in Dolphin? because that will automount it (not awesome with LVM)
[18:16] <eagles0513875> no i cannot
[18:17] <eagles0513875> i tried to mount it to a directory in /media/mount and it didn't work
[18:17] <L3top> I may be a bit out of my depth here sorry... where is it?
[18:18] <eagles0513875> i installed lvm and found the location
[18:18] <eagles0513875> but i can't mount it in regards to probably lvm or something
[18:19] <L3top> I am asking that location
[18:19] <eagles0513875> its /dev/VGname/root
[18:21] <L3top> yeah... thats gonna be someone else or a google answer. I see lots of hits on how to do it... looks a bit complicated.
[18:22]  * L3top googled chroot lvm live disk
[18:22] <eagles0513875> ill go ask in the lvm channel
[18:23] <L3top> good luck
[18:25] <eagles0513875> ty
[18:26] <yoshi_> guten abend zusammen
[18:27] <eagles0513875> !de | yoshi_
[18:27] <eagles0513875> L3top:
[18:27] <eagles0513875> think i solved it
[18:27] <eagles0513875> very easy to do actually
[18:27] <FloodBotK1> eagles0513875: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:28] <eagles0513875>  yay i managed L3top
[18:30] <L3top> outstanding :) I would apt-get install nvidia-current   that will give you the 295.40 driver.
[18:30] <Wizard> I have a problem :D
[18:30] <eagles0513875> I'm still on the Live cd L3top
[18:30] <eagles0513875> Wizard: that doesn't say much bout the problem
[18:31] <eagles0513875> but an interesting problem none the less bro
[18:31] <Wizard> There is a tray icon indicating "Install packages which will improve konqueror!"
[18:31] <Wizard> It shows flash, I don't want to install it
[18:31] <eagles0513875> now how the hell to update grub :-/
[18:31] <Wizard> There is no way to get rid of this icon and window.
[18:31] <adarshajoisa> Wizard: u can just right click and exit
[18:31] <Wizard> When I click cancel, it reappears when I open konqeror again, or logout.
[18:32] <adarshajoisa> that icon opos up whenever u open an application that can have addon packages
[18:32] <Wizard> I've noticed.
[18:33] <adarshajoisa> Wizard: u can right click -> never show again and then Hide it.
[18:33] <adarshajoisa> i believe that will work
[18:33] <Wizard> Lemme try.
[18:33] <Wizard> Fixed.
[18:34] <adarshajoisa> Wizard: cool. :)
[18:34] <Wizard> Sorry, I haven't noticed that option.
[18:34] <adarshajoisa> Wizard: :) happens with most of us. :P
[18:34] <Wizard> Which makes me noob.
[18:34] <adarshajoisa> LOL! most of us are noobs here. :D
[18:35] <Wizard> Hmm. Ununtu's mission is to bring linux to noobs.
[18:35] <Wizard> I mean unexperienced users!
[18:35] <Wizard> Unexperienced users!
[18:35] <Graf_Westerholt> LOL Wizard! :D
[18:35] <adarshajoisa> and we have the irc to help those noobs. ;)
[18:36] <Wizard> I like helping noobs. To bad I'm not very helpful.
[18:36] <Wizard> Especially with these "gfx drivers problems"
[18:37] <adarshajoisa> ha! there's a lot of conversations going on here about gfx drivers problems. i don't seem to understand most of it, though.
[18:38] <Wizard> Me neither.
[18:38] <Wizard> In good old times it was easier.
[18:38] <Wizard> Does it work with vesa driver? It doesn't show any color stripes? Done!
[18:39] <adarshajoisa> LOL!
[18:39] <Wizard> And now? 3D, acceleration, XV, twin view, God knows what else :)
[18:40] <Graf_Westerholt> twin view is great.
[18:40] <Graf_Westerholt> But this is off topic.
[18:44] <Wizard> Yup.
[18:44] <Wizard> Hmm.
[18:44] <Wizard> Does anybody use Qt Creator?
[18:53] <L3top> yes
[18:53] <L3top> but again... offtopic
[18:53] <L3top>  /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[18:55] <eagles0513875> !ot | Wizard
[18:56] <Wizard> Qt Creator is offtopic?
[18:56] <Wizard> Even if it doesn't work as it should and I installed it from repo and I think deps are broken?
[18:57] <eagles0513875> no its on topic actually
[18:59] <Wizard> Hmm, I installed libqt4-dev qt4-doc qt-creator and build-essentials.
[19:00] <Wizard> Qt Creator shows it detected Qt4 in path, but neither of the detected toolchains is able to build binaries.
[19:00] <Wizard> When I add system gcc (or g++) nothing changes.
[19:00] <Wizard> I'll try removing ~/.config/Nokia, maybe it'll help.
[19:02] <BluesKaj> build-essential , there's no "s"
[19:02] <Wizard> Yeah, yeah. I allways confuse it :]
[19:02] <Wizard> Sorry.
[19:03] <BluesKaj> mercurial and cmake are options too
[19:04] <Wizard> I prefer qmake and git ;]
[19:07] <Wizard> It didn't hel at all.
[19:07] <Wizard> :/
[19:08] <cancer> L3top: back from reboot. (local power failiure time included):D
[19:10] <L3top> and?
[19:10] <cancer> it's same 640*480
[19:10] <trash_>  alguem pode ajudar a montar um cdrom/dvd IDE no ubuntu.,  nao monta nem a pau.. reconhece mais nao monta.. alguem ja passou por isso?
[19:11] <cancer> L3top: so what's now 'nvidia-xconfigure'.  Or you want to look over something.?
[19:11] <L3top> and you cannot change it from 640? no options?
[19:12] <cancer> only 640*480 and below 320*something.
[19:14] <L3top> !pt | trash_
[19:14] <L3top> yeah... give it a try.
[19:15] <cancer> how? :D
[19:15] <cancer> L3top: telling me to do something?
[19:16] <L3top> I believe x will have to be stopped... and you just run it from command.
[19:16] <cancer> Ok, How?
[19:17] <L3top> same way you installed nvidia-173
[19:19] <cancer> I'm confused?
[19:19] <cancer> what to install? nvidia-xconfigure
[19:19] <cancer> sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfigure?
[19:20] <cancer> L3top:
[19:20] <cancer> sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfigure?
[19:21] <L3top> no...
[19:22] <cancer> then?
[19:24] <cancer> mmm....
[19:24] <L3top> it is part of the nvidia package...
[19:24] <L3top> just drop out of x and run it... probably requires a sudo
[19:25] <cancer> L3top: i know nothing about linux. just a little that sudo is required for administrative / root previledge
[19:25] <cancer> L3top: how to drop out of X.... sorry for; i'm not well familiar with linux.
[19:26] <L3top> How did you install the nvidia driver?
[19:27] <L3top> I mean the answer to your question is just to ctrl alt f2 or something and sudo service kdm stop
[19:27] <L3top> but I am confused how you installed the driver and not just blow through warnings
 cancer: get rid of X and: sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau; sudo apt-get install nvidia-173 libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; sudo apt-get -y install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[19:28] <L3top> The reason I don't know whether or not all things require sudo is because I script everything, so it runs when it is supposed to and everything is as root.
[19:29] <L3top> yes... get rid of X... meaning do not be in an X environment
[19:29] <L3top> sorry for not being clear... but you did all of this yesterday
[19:29] <L3top> I assumed you knew what I meant
[19:30] <cancer> L3top: yes i did only libs yesterday.
[19:30] <cancer> L3top: but today from above quoted chat i didn't follow 'get  rid of X' and else was done and you said to reboot
[19:31] <L3top> before I even got there you had installed various drivers, and we discussed it.
[19:31] <L3top> not important
[19:31] <L3top> Did it not warn you that it should not be run with x
[19:31] <L3top> frankly I would expect it to not continue
[19:31] <cancer> i just did what you told in last hour.
[19:31] <L3top> That does not answer my question.
[19:32] <cancer> Letop: i don't know about that.
[19:32] <L3top> You don't know...
[19:32] <L3top> apt-cache policy nvidia-173 | grep Installed
[19:32] <cancer> but before restart i pastebin the results of commands and you said that all look fine. something like that
[19:33] <L3top> yes... it would be a graphical menu that warned you
[19:33] <L3top> dialog or something
[19:33] <cancer> Installed: 173.14.30-0ubuntu8.1
[19:33] <L3top> ok
[19:33] <L3top> I guess that... somehow... has changed
[19:33] <L3top> I would assume the framebuffer thing would be an issue... but... what do I know
[19:35] <cancer> L3top: do you think it could be the reason too --> (graphic card outputs and about monitor. Graphic card only have DVI Output & Monitor don't have any DVI Inputs. i'm using connector DVI -output- VGA.)
[19:35] <L3top> No cancer.
[19:35] <cancer> i faced the same issue in Ubuntu too.
[19:36] <cancer> then i was told to installed Kubuntu it's bit more stable than ubuntu
[19:40] <L3top> yes, it is cancer... your graphics card is just old as dirt.
[19:40] <L3top> and there are some issues with the 96/173 drivers.
[19:40] <L3top> on 1204
[19:40] <L3top> typically I can make them work
[19:41] <L3top> have you dropped out of X and run nvidia-xconfigure?
[19:41] <cancer> means 1024x768 / 1280x1024?
[19:41] <cancer> L3top: i don't know how to get out of X
[19:42] <cancer> get out of X and then run nvidia-x server setting?
[19:43] <L3top> cancer: I am trying not to be frustrated repeating myself... but it isnt working.<L3top> I mean the answer to your question is just to ctrl alt f2 or something and sudo service kdm stop
[19:49] <cancer> L3top: what after sudo service kdm stop
[19:51] <L3top> sudo nvidia-xconfigure
[19:55] <cancer> L3top: how to undo these -->  sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau; sudo apt-get install nvidia-173 libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; sudo apt-get -y install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[19:57] <L3top> apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau    the rest are not going to be undone, or interfere. What happened with the nvidia-xconfigure? Did you reboot?
[19:57] <L3top> you will also want to sudo apt-get remove nvidia-173
[19:58] <cancer> L3top: when i switch to ctrl+alt+f2, i can't read text there and then cannot return with ctrl alt F7.
[19:58] <L3top> ugh.
[19:58] <cancer> so i'd better roll back to previous settings.
[19:59] <cancer> and even didn't get what to do with nvidia-xconfiguration.
[19:59] <L3top> well
[19:59] <L3top> you could boot to recovery and do it I expect... and see if the problem persists, or if you have magic before that
[19:59] <L3top> your call
[20:00] <MountainX> Hi. Where is the config file for network manager PolicyKit permissions in Kubuntu?
[20:00] <BluesKaj> cancer, you have to do startx , to get kdm running
[20:01] <cancer> blueskaj: just startx or with sudo.
[20:01] <BluesKaj> nope
[20:01] <BluesKaj> startx
[20:01] <genii-around> I'm pretty sure startx bypasses kdm and loads whatever your default session was last time
[20:01] <cancer> Blueskaj: i don't think this will help, bcoz i don't understand the rest L3top want me to follow. i even don't know how to change directories path.
[20:02] <cancer> let me try. otherwise will need a reboot.
[20:02] <L3top> If he cant read the screen or drop back to tty 7 it is highly unlikely he can actually input anything
[20:02] <L3top> it is a lock I believe.
[20:05] <BluesKaj> iirc , I may have rebooted after starting X , the last time , but starting kdm is probly the right way
[20:05] <cancer> blueskaj: what i just did is : ctrl alt f1 > sudo service kdm stop > startx. and I'm HERE
[20:05] <BluesKaj> and here is ?
[20:06] <genii-around> I'd suggest ctrl-alt-f2 then sudo killall startx
[20:06] <cancer> ME.
[20:06] <genii-around> Then: exit      and alt-f1
[20:08] <cancer> blueskaj: i mean L3top told me to follow ><L3top> cancer: I am trying not to be frustrated repeating myself... but it isnt working.<L3top> I mean the answer to your question is just to ctrl alt f2 or something and sudo service kdm stop
[20:08] <cancer> Blueskaj: am i still confused?
[20:09] <BluesKaj> cancer, read genii-around's suggestion above
[20:10] <cancer> blueskaj: do you think drivers for Nvidia Quadro FX1000 can be found here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_20010601_3255.htm
[20:10] <genii-around> If you installed some nvidia driver but not rebooted yet, you would have to load the new driver first before starting up kdm
[20:11] <lelamal> Hi all, I'm trying to compile oxygen transparent from the script downloaded here: http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=127752, but keep getting the following error in return: http://paste.kde.org/482000/. Can anybody help me troubleshoot this, please?
[20:11] <cancer> genii-around: you don't know what i'm upto or maybe you do. but it seems your telling me to run again from start.
[20:12] <genii-around> cancer: You installed an nvidia driver then tried to start up X. But the new driver doesn't automatically load when you install it.
[20:12] <L3top> genii-around is correct cancer. After doing this you rebooted correct?
[20:12] <L3top> after the long string of commands I gave you cancer?
[20:13] <cancer> L3top: i did
[20:15] <Kiosk> IRC is hoppin
[20:15] <Kiosk> *crickets*
[20:15] <cancer> Now what i need to do is to ctrl alt f2 > sudo kill all startx > exit > alt f1. Then ?
[20:16] <cancer> genii-around | L3top: Now what i need to do is to ctrl alt f2 > sudo kill all startx > exit > alt f1. Then ?
[20:18] <genii-around> cancer: Since you rebooted earlier after installing the driver, it is another issue. What is the result of command:grep  GRUB_CMDLINE /etc/default/grub
[20:18] <cancer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/994814/
[20:18] <genii-around> ( most likely you need to have a nomodeset line to prevent nouveau from taking over at boot and preventing nvidia driver from loading )
[20:19] <cancer> genii-around: you lost me again. i was trying to be on path for solution.
[20:20] <cancer> thinks will hit this night too.
[20:20] <BluesKaj> I still think the onboard card with a vga connection will give more resolution ...this has been going on for 3 days , we're chasing our tails here.
[20:21] <genii-around> cancer: sudo nano /etc/default/grub    and change line which reads currently: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""      into: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset"       then: ctrl-x to exit, choose to save changes. Then: sudo update-grub        and then: sudo shutdown -r now    ..which will reboot.
[20:21] <cancer> Blueskaj: haha, i still remmeber days before these 3.
[20:22] <cancer> genii-around: Ok :D, it looks more like a sucide reboot to me.:D
[20:25] <cancer> genii-around: i'm stuck, how to edit that.
[20:28] <L3top> BluesKaj: has an excellent point. Especially if it is intel. Their stuff has been just great lately.
[20:28] <genii-around> cancer: You use the arrow keys to navigate, go to in between the two double-quote marks of GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""  and type in: nomodeset             then ctrl and x keys together. It will ask if you want to save changes. Hit Y to confirm change. It then asks if same filename to use. Just hit Enter there.
[20:32] <cancer> genii-around: thanks. got it. sorry i tried that but didn't saw anything moving around. maybe getting under nature effect (haven't slept from last night.)
[20:33] <cancer> genni-around: Grub updated. only shutdown and restart left right? sudo shutdown -r now
[20:34] <cancer> doing it
[20:34] <cancer> be right back
[20:34] <genii-around> cancer: But were you able to insert the nomodeset? If not, don't reboot yet
[20:34] <cancer> genii-around: yes i did and mentioned above.
[20:34] <genii-around> Ah, good.
[20:35] <genii-around> cancer: OK, then to try the reboot and see if kdm starts up
[20:35] <cancer> i tried this nomodeset things 3 months ago.
[20:35] <genii-around> There are lots of combinations of things which can cause issue. If you have nomodeset but no usable driver, same symptoms for instance
[20:37] <cancer> genni-around: i like to remind that all L3top commands for stoping kdm service and startx is not done before this.
[20:37] <cancer> genii-around: it's a clean and new ways.
[20:37] <cancer> anyway. be right back
[20:38]  * L3top did not mention startx
[20:39] <genii-around> L3top: They seemed a bit confused.
[20:40] <cancer> BACK
[20:40] <genii-around> cancer: Did kdm start this time?
[20:40] <cancer> genii-around: KDM?
[20:40] <L3top> desktop
[20:41] <cancer> yes, it's a normal login.
[20:41] <genii-around> cancer: The screen which asks you to login, that is kdm
[20:41] <cancer> Yes that appeared
[20:41] <genii-around> Did it let you login and get into your kde?
[20:42] <cancer> yes, i logged in as usual i do. and i'm here that's why.
[20:42] <cancer> kde?
[20:43] <L3top> K Destkop Environment/K Desktop Manager
[20:43] <genii-around> cancer: kde is the graphical part of Kubuntu
[20:43] <BluesKaj> your desktop
[20:43] <cancer> yes.
[20:43] <cancer> Yes. everything was normal.
[20:43] <genii-around> Good.
[20:44] <cancer> but resolution.
[20:46] <cancer> ?
[20:46] <genii-around> cancer: Please pastebin results of these commands:  xrandr               and  lsmod | grep nv
[20:47] <cancer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/994856/
[20:48] <cancer> xrandr output first line was this > xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[20:48] <genii-around> cancer: Yeah thats fine. Is there any result at all for the: lsmod | grep nv      command?
[20:48] <cancer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/994859/
[20:49] <genii-around> OK
[20:49] <L3top> check to see if he has an xorg...
[20:49] <genii-around> cancer: What resolution is this card supposed to be able to do?
[20:49] <L3top> cancer does ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf return a result
[20:50] <genii-around> L3top: Yes, conceivably he has modelines or something
[20:50] <cancer> genii-around: currently i'm using it for 1280x1024 in XP.
[20:50] <genii-around> ( or different driver specified in xorg.conf than nvidia)
[20:51]  * L3top nods
[20:51] <cancer> L3top: ls: cannot access /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[20:51] <L3top> good.
[20:53] <cancer> How long will it take to complete?
[20:54] <cancer> ubottu | tomato
[20:56] <cancer> !timeout
[20:57] <genii-around> I would suggest to install nvidia-settings and then see if you can set a higher reolution from the desktop first.
[20:58] <cancer> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[20:58] <cancer> ?
[20:58] <genii-around> Yes
[20:58] <genii-around> It then appears in the Settings
[20:59] <cancer> http://paste.kde.org/482006/
[20:59] <genii-around> ( I am using classic menu )
[21:01] <genii-around> cancer: So then K-button..Applications...Settings.. NVIDIA X Server Settings
[21:01] <cancer> shoot the command
[21:02] <L3top> this is in desktop
[21:02] <cancer> do you mean any from these >  sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau; sudo apt-get install nvidia-173 libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; sudo apt-get -y install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[21:02] <L3top> click the k button, go to applications settings NVIDIA X server settings.
[21:02] <cancer> then?
[21:02] <cancer> what next?
[21:03] <genii-around> cancer: No, don't bother with any of those commands of purging X and so on. We are way past that now.
[21:03] <cancer> genni-around: those commands are already excecuted before i followed you.
[21:03] <cancer> L3top: right.
[21:04] <cancer> genii-around: what i do know with nvidia x server settings opened?
[21:05] <L3top> it should be fairly self explanatory cancer.
[21:05] <L3top> I never see this menu, so I cant walk you through it.
[21:05] <L3top> Try to change your resolution
[21:06] <genii-around> Should look something like this: http://imagebin.org/212933
[21:06] <cancer> there no option for that
[21:07] <cancer> genii-around: it does
[21:08] <BluesKaj> cancer, kmenu>apps>settings>nvidia server settings
[21:09] <cancer> I have it already opened
[21:09] <cancer> but 'X Server Display Configuration' unable to load x server display configuratrion page. failed to query no scanout for screen 0
[21:10] <cancer> genii-around: thats what i have from imagebin.
[21:12] <genii-around> Meh. imagebin is now not letting me upload a shot of the screen where you would change the settings
[21:12] <BluesKaj> cancer , of try this kmenu>computer>system settings>display&monitor>size and orientation
[21:13] <BluesKaj> of=ok
[21:14] <sunitasethi> hi
[21:14] <sunitasethi> can anyone help me setup yahoo mail in linux???
[21:14] <sunitasethi> do I need to get yahoo plus?
[21:15] <maco> sunitasethi: yes you do. yahoo doesn't allow pop/imap on their free accounts, as far as i know
[21:15] <cancer_> ????
[21:16] <sunitasethi> maco: since when?
[21:17] <maco> sunitasethi: well i havent looked since about 2007, but imap was definitely NOT free at the time. pop might be? not sure. imap was what i was concerned with
[21:17] <sunitasethi> i was able to use yahoo in my iphone
[21:17] <maco> was it a yahoo app or regular imap/pop?
[21:17] <sunitasethi> it was iphone's and ipod touch's mail app
[21:18] <maco> http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?locale=en_US&page=content&y=PROD_MAIL_MOBILE&id=SLN3361&impressions=true <-- this has imap instructions with all the info you'd need for setting it up on a client. it *is* in the mobile section on their help though, so for all i know, they block access by non-mobile clients. give it a try
[21:18] <L3top> http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/06/6-step-setting-evolution-for-yahoo-mail.html http://askubuntu.com/questions/20075/connecting-yahoo-mail-with-evolution
[21:19] <sunitasethi> ok thanks
[21:19] <L3top> sunitasethi: ^^
[21:20] <maco> http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_MAIL_ML&locale=en_US&id=SLN3255&impressions=true this does say pop is only for Mail Plus
[21:20] <cancer_> genii_around: anything else in mind?
[21:20] <L3top> both of those give links explain how to setup imap.
[21:21] <cancer_> Thanks alot guys. rolling back setting. Thanks again.
[21:21] <L3top> cancer_: these guis that you are looking up are setup very plainly for anyone to use without need of support... can you just click around and see if there is something that will allow you to change resolution rather than trying to get us to guide you letter by letter?
[21:22] <saeed> hi
[21:22] <saeed> my kmix every days crashed
[21:22] <genii-around> cancer_: If you can pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:23] <saeed> can i fix it or install app like this??
[21:23] <genii-around> cancer_: For this file better to do domething like: pastebinit -i /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:24] <cancer_> L3top: i have been http://paste.ubuntu.com/994927/
[21:24] <cancer_> L3top: sorry mixed.
[21:24] <cancer_> genii-aroundhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/994927/
[21:24] <cancer_> genii-around: http://paste.ubuntu.com/994927/
[21:24] <saeed> my kmix every days crashed
[21:24] <saeed> can i fix it or install app like this??
[21:26] <genii-around> cancer_: You are using some DVI to VGA adapter or something?
[21:27] <cancer_> L3top: i tried much not only in past day but before that i did manual settings. and what you respectively called clicking around..... i told that i'm know nothing about linux, so 'letter by letter' is a safe side for me. that was what auto becomes a need. Sorry.
[21:27] <genii-around> ( it can't pull info for what resolutions the monitor can do )
[21:27] <cancer_> genii-around: Yes.  Dvi - Vga connector.
[21:28] <L3top> cancer_: I am not trying to upset you... but you are not the only one with a few days into this... and I just have no visual cues to help you with. I just write scripts that detect and install all of this stuff. I never see a gui. We use our own X windows, without a DE...
[21:28] <genii-around> cancer_: I'm pretty sure this is why it cannot find a higher resolution to use
[21:28] <cancer_> genii-around: it work fine with 1280x1024. i am using this resolution in windows xp .
[21:28] <L3top> so... it IS the adapter.
[21:29] <L3top> I am sorry I believed it was not.
[21:29] <sunitasethi> l3top it did not work
[21:30] <cancer_> L3top: maybe also called adapter.
[21:31] <genii-around> cancer_: There is a way to manually specify resolutions. But I do not have enough time today to guide you through this.
[21:32] <cancer_> i think we leave it. i'll undo changes now. i will try to find the main fault. then it depends.
[21:32] <cancer_> genii-around: thanks :)
[21:32] <L3top> Why would you undo the changes?
[21:33] <genii-around> cancer_: The main fault is that the video card cannot query the monitor for what resolutions it supports, so it falls back to using 640x480
[21:33] <cancer_> L3top: what else i do. it's almost 39 hours i have wasted here.
[21:33] <L3top> it was not better before them,
[21:33] <L3top> and if you generate custom modlines you will need them...
[21:33] <L3top> Why are you trying to fix what isnt broken... the drivers are not the problem
[21:34] <L3top> the card cannot read from the monitor what is available so it goes with what is safe
[21:34] <BluesKaj> cancer_, dvi connections are usually for flat panel lcd monitors not CRTs , so that's another problem
[21:34] <cancer_> L3top: so how much more time will it take.
[21:34] <L3top> what does it matter?
[21:34] <L3top> what do you hope to gain by undoing all the work you have done?
[21:34] <cancer_> blueskaj: that's why i was forcing to tell about D
[21:34] <L3top> nothing...
[21:34] <cancer_> DVI*
[21:34] <cancer_> and monitor.
[21:35] <cancer_> only a thought.
[21:35] <genii-around> L3top: I wouldn't bother with custom modelines etc in xorg.conf.  I would just put xrandr commands specifying resolution during startup
[21:36]  * L3top needs to get familiar with xrandr
[21:36] <L3top> I do EVERYTHING through xorg.
[21:36] <cancer_> L3top: that xrandr commands what i showed you, worked for me.
[21:37] <cancer_> but with no drivers installed.
[21:37] <BluesKaj> well, stuff to do .... later all
[21:37] <cancer_> blueskaj: take care.
[21:38] <cancer_> ok, leaving things on their place as it is.
[21:39] <cancer_> : L3top | genii-around: leaving
[21:40] <cancer_> will do it later. going for sleep.
[21:41] <genii-around> L3top: The basic idea would be add whatever xrandr commands give the desired modes into /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup
[21:43] <L3top> genii-around: Understood, will poke around... we go to great lengths to generate custom xorg.confs for every card on the planet based on our avwizard setup... same with audio etc...  it is depreciated I know, but there are some situations where it just seems necessary, so I do everything that way.
[21:44] <L3top> I know only what I know from our system.
[21:44] <L3top> I had never booted linux before a couple of years ago, specifically to run linuxmce.
[21:45] <L3top> oops... thought this was ot
[22:04] <Vabi> hello
[22:04] <mydogsnameisrudy> hello
[22:04] <Vabi> iIf i have burg, can i purge grub?
[22:07] <genii-around> Probably. But also burg is not a supported bootloader, if you have issues with it later it will be difficult to get assistance.
[22:09] <Vabi> i have both, but since a few hours, burg is the main,, idon't know how to change it to burg now
[22:19] <julio> Hello!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:00] <quylthulg> Hi all.  I'm running 64bit Kubuntu 12.04.  I'm having problems linking against libcairo and libcairomm.  If anyone is willing/able to help me figure out the problem, I'll give more info.  Thanks!
[23:11] <dbc254> what's wrong with k3b when it only give ogg & wav as convert options?
[23:12] <genii-around> !codecs
[23:13] <dbc254> exit
[23:21] <lorecaster> Hi, I had no luck in the other channel, so maybe someone here can help me. my pulled my DVI cables, and plugged HDMI cables in, I have picture but the sound preferences won't recognnze that my VA320M VIZIO TV has speakers... any ideas?
[23:28] <AceKing> How can I boot into grub menu? I just installed 12.04 on emachines PC, and when I go go start it says "Input not support"
[23:28] <Matisse> hey
[23:28] <Matisse> is it possible to add the "Desktop" itself to the Alt+Tab-Switching
[23:28] <Matisse> ?
[23:31] <L3top> AceKing: press shift several times at boot
[23:31] <L3top> Matisse: I cannot foresee how
[23:32] <L3top> lorecaster: type alsamixer and make sure all of your iec outputs are unmuted
[23:33] <lorecaster> iec?
[23:34] <lorecaster> i have no hdmi headings in alsamixer :(
[23:34] <L3top> lorecaster: you may have to scroll further right than you can see initially, and check f6 for what it sees as a separate card.
[23:34] <L3top> Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
[23:34] <L3top> that is my hdmi out
[23:34] <L3top> check that spdif, hdmi etc are unmuted
[23:34] <lorecaster> 0- (default) and 0 HDA NVidia
[23:34] <L3top> Anything without a volume meter really
[23:35] <lorecaster> s/pdif and s/pdif default both have double-zeros, s/pdif 1 has MM next to it.
[23:35] <L3top> lorecaster: just unmute everything
[23:35] <L3top> highlight and press M
[23:37] <lorecaster> no change. sound-settings still has hardware and outputs only my analog stereo duplex speakers. nothing at ALL in sound-settings says HDMI. it seems that they aren't even being detected
[23:38] <lorecaster> could it be a driver issue?
[23:38] <L3top> nothing will
[23:38] <genii-around> lorecaster: does lsmod show that snd_hda_codec_hdmi is loaded?
[23:38] <L3top> it could absolutely be a driver issue... but...
[23:39] <L3top> amixdigital=$(amixer | grep Simple | cut -d' ' -f4,5,6 | sort | uniq); for output in $amixdigital; do amixer sset $output unmute; done 2>/dev/null
[23:39] <L3top> that will unmute everthing
[23:39] <L3top> just to be sure
[23:40] <lorecaster> http://pastebin.com/gaRhixj1 I don't see HDMI anywhere in there
[23:40] <lorecaster> unmuted everything :) I'll be so pleased when I am past this hurdle.
[23:41] <L3top> lspci | grep Audio
[23:42] <robsthainey> ALGUEM AI PODE ME AJUDAR
[23:42] <robsthainey> ?
[23:42] <lorecaster> 00:07.0 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio (rev a1)
[23:43] <L3top> !pt
[23:43] <L3top> lorecaster: you say you are on 1204 right? I think I read that
[23:44] <lorecaster> yeah
[23:44] <lorecaster> from what I read, it should automatically detect my HDMI/DISPLAYPORT through sound-settings... that's what i'm missing.
[23:44] <L3top> hmmm...  I would expect that would just light up to be honest
[23:45] <lorecaster> welcome to my world. I used to be a computer programmer... I've been using linux for years... this is just impossibly frustrating
[23:45] <L3top> lorecaster: do you have pastebinit installed?
[23:45] <lorecaster> unless it was installed at default, no, I do not.
[23:46] <L3top> I would like to see the output of amixer...
[23:46] <lorecaster> I will do everything in my power to assist you helping me :P
[23:46] <L3top> for future reference pastebinit is very convenient
[23:46] <L3top> !pastebinit
[23:46] <lorecaster> already installing :D
[23:46] <stalkerg> I love KDE and I hell Unity, who know about "move between workspace" options?  KDE have simple option.
[23:47] <lorecaster> just let me know what you need, L3top :)
[23:47] <L3top> lshw -C audio |  pastebinit
[23:47] <L3top> well
[23:47] <L3top> you should run that as sudo...
[23:47] <lorecaster> way ahead of you :)
[23:47]  * L3top is always rooted very bad about remembering to tell people to sudo
[23:48] <lorecaster> "You are trying to send an empty document, exiting."
[23:49] <L3top> sudo lshw -C multimedia | pastebinit
[23:49]  * L3top is more of a video guy... makes assumptions.
[23:50] <lorecaster> everywhere I look online it's telling me it's a video driver issue :S
[23:50] <lorecaster> http://paste.ubuntu.com/995126/
[23:50] <L3top> what is the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA
[23:50] <lorecaster> you needn't worry,  my friend. You're kind enough to help me, I'll do whatever you need me to do. People like yourself are why I stuck with Linux for so long :)
[23:51] <lorecaster> http://pastebin.com/RPYH8gg9
[23:51] <L3top> aha
[23:51] <L3top> you have two video cards
[23:52] <lorecaster> I'm using the 8300 (onboarD) as my 8600 (PCIx16) has no HDMI output
[23:52] <lorecaster> that's a problem?
[23:52] <lorecaster> I'll haul the damn thing out, if that's an issue :P
[23:52] <L3top> I'm not sure it is... but it is certainly good to know
[23:52] <lorecaster> *nods*
[23:52] <L3top> as your audio is trying to  pipe out over video card
[23:53]  * L3top sees asound.conf modification as a very real possibility...
[23:54] <L3top> gimme a minute to look over some of our stuff dealing with audio/hdmi
[23:54] <lorecaster> You honour me, sir. :)