[02:43] <xubuntu044> Hi. Can I ask a really quick and kind of stupid question?
[02:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> yup
[02:44] <xubuntu044> What do you call the gui file manager in xfce?
[02:44] <xubuntu044> I've been in Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and now Xubuntu
[02:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> thunar
[02:45] <xubuntu044> Theirs are dolphin and nautilus
[02:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> yup, in xfce it's thunar
[02:46] <xubuntu044> Ah, thunar! Thanks! :)
[03:01] <hoho> hello, would anyone happen to know how to customise the login-screen of xubuntu 14.04 ?
[03:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> one sec
[03:02] <hoho> okay.
[03:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[03:03] <hoho> Yes, I did try that
[03:03] <hoho> But only certain changes are accepted.
[03:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> What are you trying to change?
[03:03] <hoho> the theme
[03:04] <hoho> I can change font size, but not the theme
[03:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> And you're editing the file with root privilege?
[03:04] <hoho> Yes
[03:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> Are you putting your themes in /usr/share/themes?
[03:04] <hoho> I'll check...
[03:06] <hoho> yep
[03:06] <hoho> They are there
[03:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> Then it must depend on the theme
[03:06] <hoho> Font size changes are accepted
[03:06] <hoho> Okay
[03:07] <hoho> I tried NOX and darklooks, but neither works...
[03:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> link me, so that I can see them.
[03:08] <hoho> Sorry, bit of beginner, how does one link?
[03:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just wanted you to copy and paste me a link
[03:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> is it this? http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/ECSTATiCA+(formerly+NOX)?content=105349
[03:10] <hoho> yes
[03:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> it only has gtk-2.0 in it's folder.
[03:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> I dunno if lightdm uses that.
[03:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> The default theme, Greybird has other schemes.
[03:12] <hoho> Okay. Other schemes? How do I specify those?
[03:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> I would try Adwaita, just to see if the theme changes. If it does, Then you'll know that you need a theme that has a scheme that lightdm can use.
[03:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> in the conf file
[03:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> You don't specify the scheme. The theme folder has to have it.
[03:12] <hoho> okay. I'll test it
[03:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> I think lightdm might be gtk-3 now
[03:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> Nox, doesn't have a scheme folder for that.
[03:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> Chances are, the other theme you're testing won't either.
[03:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> wb
[03:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, what happened?
[03:22] <hoho> It worked!
[03:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> Told ya
[03:22] <hoho> So why exactly?
[03:22] <hoho> gtk 2 vs. gtk 3 ?
[03:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> again, I don't think lightdm uses gtk-2
[03:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> And Nox only has that folder in it's theme folder
[03:23] <hoho> I see.
[03:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> Greybird and Adwaita have gtk-3 and other schemes.
[03:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, you'll have to experiment some.
[03:23] <hoho> Okay, so they are compatible with lightdm.
[03:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> yup
[03:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> After all, greybird is the default theme
[03:23] <hoho> True.
[03:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> I would have to play with it myself, to be sure.
[03:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> I dunno if it's a gtk-3 thing, or metacity, or what.....
[03:24] <hoho> Another question - can one change the language of the login? For a French system it still says 'log on". No big deal, just, well not français...
[03:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just know that Nox won't work for lightdm
[03:25] <hoho> Okay no nox. Such a nice theme though...
[03:25] <hoho> I like Darklooks too.
[03:25] <Poisoned_Dragon> Link me for darklooks
[03:26] <hoho> https://www.google.ca/search?q=darklooks+theme&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=2nl5U9f5I4ynyASX-YCoAQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=688
[03:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> I found it
[03:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's part of gnome extra themes
[03:32] <hoho> does that mean it won't work with lightdm?
[03:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> are you savvy with screenshots and image paste websites.
[03:32] <hoho> With instructions....
[03:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'd like to see the folder contents of Darklooks.
[03:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> wait... lemme just install the package.
[03:32] <hoho> Okay.
[03:33] <hoho> What OS are you using?
[03:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> xubuntu
[03:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm getting the package now.
[03:34] <hoho> Okay. I didn't come pre-installed?
[03:34] <hoho> *It
[03:35] <Poisoned_Dragon> nope
[03:36] <hoho> hmm
[03:36] <hoho> what release?
[03:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> 14.04
[03:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> btw, Darklooks only has a gtk-2 folder.
[03:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> Not lightdm compatible.
[03:36] <hoho> Okay.
[03:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> You could Always try MediterraneanDarkest.
[03:37] <hoho> Hmm. I'll take a look
[03:38] <hoho> Not pre-installed...
[03:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> Nope.
[03:38] <hoho> Where did you grab Darklooks from?
[03:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> Gotta get it from gnome looks
[03:38] <hoho> sudo apt-get ?
[03:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/?content=156782
[03:44] <hoho> sudo extract the tar to themes?
[03:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> I suppose you could do that.
[03:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> I usually open the tar in archive manager and pick and choose.
[03:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> Less to go wrong.
[03:47] <hoho> But doesn't the theme need to be under usr/share/themes/ to be used?
[03:53] <hoho> Thanks for your help! Bye.
[03:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> heh, guess he got it
[07:53] <boeri> Hiyas all,
[07:55] <boeri> since i upgraded 2 trusty tahr my logout window has changed. a new button occured for a sleep or standby mode (my desktop is german) but neither of the 2 buttons work. Does anyone have experienced this too?
[09:10] <emmanuel0791> Hello , question: Is it a common issue that the LAN connection sometimes works and sometimes not?
[10:04] <donc3> Hi! I have some warnings and errors in the dmesg output could someone help me???
[10:04] <donc3> this is the output of my dmesg
[10:04] <donc3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7487790/
[10:37] <gry> It is interesting that I have /usr/bin/X11/xflock4 and /usr/bin/xflock4, they are identical but not symlinked. Is that intentional?
[11:44] <gry> And what do I use to lock an xfce screen with lightdm? light-locker exists, but not in Ubuntu repos.
[11:45] <ochosi> gry: it does, from 14.04 onwards
[11:45] <gry> Okay, thanks.
[11:45] <ochosi> np
[11:45] <gry> I'm on 12.04 now, so I will try to update.
[11:45] <ochosi> gry: FYI, xubuntu uses it by default in 14.04 ;)
[12:14] <meek_geek> bookman, HI
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[12:18] <meek_geek> sup bookman
[14:05] <simpleuser> Hi there. When pressing backspace in thunar it goes to previous location. I’d like it to go to parent location. Where can I change this behaviour ?
[14:23] <simpleuser> Found ! :) http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/23998/how-to-set-up-backspace-to-go-up-instead-of-back-in-thunar
[15:27] <kupo_> herro room
[15:27] <kupo_> I sadly woke up to a kernel panic screen this morning :(
[15:27] <kupo_> I didn't update kernel yesterday or anything though. strange.
 that haapens each boot?
[15:28] <bookman> happens*
[15:29] <kupo_> first time it has ever happened.
[15:29] <kupo_> with linux. never once woke up to an error.
[15:29] <kupo_> I'll just see if it happens again. probably won.t
[15:29] <kupo_> it mentioned hdmi and intel. I do use hdmi
[16:04] <LonelyDanbo> My PlayStation 2 gamepad USB adapter seems to have mapped the controls to move my mouse cursor among other things, and I don't know what's doing this to unbind it.
[16:05] <LonelyDanbo> I'm pretty sure I didn't install anything for that. no search results in installed packages for gamepad or joystick
[16:06] <LonelyDanbo> It didn't do this in my Debian installation.
[16:06] <bazhang> !info joystick
[16:07] <LonelyDanbo> I installed something called jstest-gtk which does calibration and remapping, but it just has the controls mapped to like "AXIS_X" or something.
[16:08] <LonelyDanbo> ABS_X
[16:09] <LonelyDanbo> and the buttons are just BTN_THUMB , but when I press them I get like pasting from my clipboard or mouse double-clicking. so it's being remapped somewhere else.
[16:13] <LonelyDanbo> hm... I seem to have joystick package installed. ... where do I find the device name that it needs?
[16:13] <bazhang> try lsusb
[16:14] <LonelyDanbo> ah, thanks.
[16:16] <LonelyDanbo> hm... I found it, but it's not taking the "005" as a device even though that's the device.
[16:16] <LonelyDanbo> Bus 003 Device 005: ID 0810:0001 Personal Communication Systems, Inc. Dual PSX Adaptor
[16:17] <LonelyDanbo> jscal -t 005 just gets me jscal: can't open joystick device: No such file or directory
[16:18] <LonelyDanbo> hm. man page says it wants <device-NAME>
[16:19] <LonelyDanbo> jscal Personal Communication Systems, Inc. Dual PSX Adaptor
[16:19] <bazhang>  0810:0001  <---- what about that
[16:19] <LonelyDanbo> gets me "jscal: missing device name"
[16:19] <LonelyDanbo> nope. no such file or directory
[16:22] <LonelyDanbo> oh man I found a webpage while saerching for a settings file that has a section "Disable Joystick From Controlling Mouse"
[16:23] <bazhang> Twin USB Joystick <--- what about that
[16:24] <LonelyDanbo> hm but I don't have an xorg.conf.d folder...
[16:24] <LonelyDanbo> nope, bazhang. missing device name.
[16:25] <bazhang> thats odd
[16:27] <LonelyDanbo> hm. another page mentioned a /dev/input/js0
[16:28] <LonelyDanbo> got it. jscal /dev/input/js0
[16:37] <LonelyDanbo> hm.... I'm a little lost now. calibration hasn't changed anything.
[16:38] <LonelyDanbo> this webppage I found talks about that /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ folder that I don't have.
[16:39] <LonelyDanbo> in a later section it says "make sure you have xf86-input-joystick installed" but Xubuntu doesn't have that in the package manager.
[16:39] <LonelyDanbo> well it is a page for arch linux... but it was talking about XFCE so I thought maybe...
[16:40] <bazhang> you might try qjoypad as well
[16:40] <bazhang> http://linuxaria.com/article/how-to-use-a-playstation-2-joypad-with-linux
[16:41] <bazhang> !info qjoypad
[16:41] <LonelyDanbo> Hm.
[16:41] <bazhang> nice gui on that
[16:43] <LonelyDanbo> I don't think any of these programs are going to work, as the mapping to the mouse cursor is happening in spite of them.
[16:43] <LonelyDanbo> I gotta find a settings file somewhere.
[16:43] <bazhang> I'd not give up quite so easily
[16:44] <bazhang> I spent a good deal of time setting one up, and once it was done, played a *tonne* of games with it
[16:45] <LonelyDanbo> hm. looks like qjoypad won't run without a restart
[16:45] <LonelyDanbo> Debian doesn't have this problem, but Debian's out of date with the emulator (among other things} and so getting the emulator running is my problem over there.
[16:48] <LonelyDanbo> cat /proc/bus/input/devices gives Handlers=event15 js1  and I bet event15 is the problem.
[16:49] <LonelyDanbo> oh wait, event14 for js0. event15 is for js1
[16:57] <LonelyDanbo> brb. gonna restart.
[17:07] <LonelyDanbo> "Uninstall xserver-xorg-input-joystick.   It's a package to control the mouse with the joystick. "
[17:07] <LonelyDanbo> hm. now the gamepad's not working at all.
[17:08] <LonelyDanbo> I don't know why the light on the adapter wouldn't turn on though when I plug it in.
[17:09] <LonelyDanbo> hm. lsusb still lists the device.
[17:09] <LonelyDanbo> oh there's the light
[17:13] <LonelyDanbo> well, it's working under the emulator. I guess uninstalling that one package was all I needed.
[17:13] <LonelyDanbo> thanks for bearing with me and trying to find the solution.
[17:17] <bazhang> via qjoypad?
[17:17] <bazhang> augh he quit
[17:28] <Kekai> Can Ubuntu be ran off aa netbook with a 1GB of ram?
[17:29] <pleia2> Kekai: this is the Xubuntu support channel, and Xubuntu can
[17:29] <pleia2> Kekai: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/requirements/
[17:31] <Kekai> I have Xubuntu I wanted to try Ubuntu Through terminal then delete using the Pure XCFE website
[17:31] <baizon> Kekai: i dont think it will run well, but thats my opinion
[17:32] <Kekai> This is why I cant wait for autumn
[17:33] <pleia2> Kekai: you should really ask in #ubuntu
[17:33] <pleia2> not here :)
[17:35] <baizon> Kekai: what happens in autmn?
[17:35] <Kekai> I posted to offtopic
[17:37] <bazhang> Kekai, here is fine, as is #ubuntu , but with that minimal amount of ram, you really might try lubuntu
[17:37] <bazhang> lubuntu-desktop for the full suite, install, then logout, select at login
[17:38] <Kekai> I been using Xubuntu just fine
[17:38] <bazhang> ok
[17:38] <Kekai> SInce november I been using 13.10
[17:38] <Kekai> then upgraded fine to 1404 without problems
[17:38] <Kekai> my PC seems to run cooler in 14.04 lts
[17:39] <bazhang> you can certainly try ubuntu, but I think it would be very slow
[17:39] <Kekai> its only till autumn till I get my 12GB ram, 1TB laptop
[17:39] <bazhang> that will run anything
[17:39] <Kekai> Then I dual boot either Ubuntu and windows
[17:39] <Kekai> or Xubuntu/Windows
[17:40] <Kekai> Maybe the later because I dont like the look the launcher in Ubuntu
[17:40] <bazhang> so use gnome-shell , not unity
[18:08] <heineken12> xubuntu, plz help
[18:08] <heineken12> I installed gparted and formatted an external drive to btfs but now i cant write to it
[19:24] <meek_geek> Slesa, hi
[20:02] <aleXUBUNTU> Hello
[20:03] <aleXUBUNTU> i have one question, i'm in windows 8, i burned XUBUNTU 14 in a DVD, and when i restart the system pressing F12 to BOOT DVD nothing happen
[20:03] <aleXUBUNTU> whats wrong?
[20:29] <Inoki> Yo, came to ask, anything gonna happen with the screensaver turning off sound when it locks the screen? Really annoying....
[20:30] <TheSheep> Inoki: did you report a bug?
[20:30] <TheSheep> Inoki: if no then no, nothing is goign to happen
[20:30] <Inoki> TheSheep: nope, but guess I'll have to. Do you know, is it safe to simply do a sudo apt-get purge light-locker && sudo apt-get install xscreensaver?
[20:31] <TheSheep> Inoki: no idea, I didn't upgrade yet myself
[20:32] <Inoki> TheSheep: Technically, on Webupd8 they mentioned that those running GNOME can simply try out light-locker by installing it and removing it simply returns to GNOME screensaver.
[20:38] <Inoki> Anybody here with experience on how to get GNOME screen saver running under Xubuntu?
[20:38] <Inoki> Or does a simple install do the trick.
[20:38] <TheSheep> just install it and enable in the sessions and startup in settings
[20:39] <Inoki> Ok, coz I really think adding a development release (light-locker) to a stable branch was a mistake. Thanks.
[20:45] <starrats> Inoki does your cursor/kb lockup at startup/reboot?
[20:46] <Inoki> starrats: nope.
[20:46] <starrats> ah ok
[21:57] <Kekai> My network Manager is gone and I cant connect to the internet.
[22:02] <Kekai> Please help
[22:03] <knome> Kekai, please remember to keep patient; we're all volunteers here. you can search in ubuntu forums, askubuntu etc while you wait
[23:42] <m1chael> i'm plagued by a bug in 14.04 where when i close my screen, the laptop never recovers.. its listed as critical and the fix seems to be working for some... once a proper fix is found, what happens? will the updates magically fix this?
[23:44] <meek_geek> hi


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[09:47] <sil2100> Ok, phew
[09:48] <sil2100> Wonder what that was about - was comparing our daily manifests with .1 manifests, and the server ones had ubuntu-drivers-common added to them
[09:48] <sil2100> But I see the latest images don't
[09:48] <sil2100> hm, I guess it might have been some PROPOSED=1 image that I checked (where all other server-live ones are PROPOSED=0)
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[10:16] <sil2100> Ok, added riscv64 images to all the missing places, I think we should be ready for .2 candidates
[10:21] <Laney> ah
[10:21] <Laney> we should check the pool has the right nvidia packages and the 5.10 oem kernel dropped off
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[10:26] <sil2100> ^ those are not candidate images yet
[10:26] <sil2100> hm, I disabled the cronjobs, probably some already-started ones
[10:26] <sil2100> Laney: you want to check it?
[10:28] <Laney> yeah in a minute
[10:28] <Laney> still don't have hw to do an actual test install though
[10:28] <sil2100> I think I see 5.6 in the pool
[10:29] <sil2100> So at least that seems right
[10:30] <Laney> is 5.10 gone?
[10:30] <Laney> like the 20.04b packges
[10:30] <Laney> and the kernel they dragged in
[10:30] <sil2100> Didn't see any 5.10 oem kernels at least!
[10:30] <Laney> 👍
[10:32] <sil2100> But best if you double check later anyway, just in case
[10:51] <xnox> sil2100:  we will need riscv64 kernel respin (unless that happened over the weekend) because toolchain generates bad kernel =/
[10:51] <sil2100> FUCK
[10:51] <sil2100> Okay
[10:52] <sil2100> xnox: is the kernel team aware? Let's get some ETA for that
[10:53] <sil2100> (anyway, building RCs right now)
[10:58] <xnox> sil2100:  cking is aware.
[11:00] <doko> xnox: why no soname bump in imagemagick and clucene?
[11:00] <xnox> rbalint:  re:glibc s390x float_t double->float change. imagemagick & cluece-core uploaded to continue to use double instead of float_t on s390x.
[11:00] <xnox> thus not breaking the current/existing abi.
[11:00] <xnox> even when s390x glibc will change float_t from double to float.
[11:01] <xnox> rbalint:  however this is something to be aware of, if we see anything else that uses float_t on s390x and is affecting abi.
[11:01] <xnox> i wonder if i should try to do an archive sourcecode search for float_t.
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[11:59] <Laney> hmm no I see 5.10 stuff here still
[12:01]  * Laney eyes this suspiciously
[12:01] <Laney> ah maybe not, /me tries again without network
[12:07] <Laney> hmm
[12:08] <Laney> ah I guess I'm just seeing the copy of focal-updates from when the image was built
[12:22]  * Laney tries to remember how to hack the iso to want nvidia
[12:23] <Laney> be nice if you could put a file somewhere to do that
[12:30] <xnox> Laney:  you can run ubuntu-drivers under the wrapper ubuntu-drivers ships in /usr/lib somewhere but needs udevmock to be installed too.
[12:30] <xnox> apw:  how come https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/focal/linux-restricted-modules-hwe-5.8 does not build & sign modules for 340? is that an oversight, or intentional.
[12:31] <Laney> that didn't do 'enough' somehow I remember from last time we tried that
[12:31] <Laney> I have hax0red it to return nvidia-driver-460 now
[12:32] <apw> xnox, 340 is likley not in groovy where the dkms versions ocme from
[12:33] <apw> tseliot, ^
[12:34] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 i see it in groovy and in hirsute
[12:34] <tseliot> xnox, apw we are going to drop 340, since NVIDIA stopped supporting it
[12:35] <xnox> tseliot:  apw: so the experience is that if one needs 340, it does get installed, but one has to do SB key mokutil enrollment; and if one has any other newer nvidia support, it "just works"(tm)
[12:35] <tseliot> xnox, yes, pretty much
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[12:36] <tseliot> soon 340 won't be around any more
[12:36] <xnox> tseliot:  and given that later driver versions drop support for things, we kind of can't drop 340 from the archive, right? so why would we not keep on signing it, if we keep on providing it.
[12:36] <xnox> i.e. there are cards that can only use at most 340.
[12:37] <tseliot> xnox, we won't keep 340 in the archive, since it's no longer supported, and it could be vulnerable to security issues
[12:37] <tseliot> users will be left with nouveau, or they could install 340 from a ppa
[12:38] <xnox> tseliot:  but then we must upload packages that will transition people from 340 to nouveau; or any other newer nvidia (where supported).
[12:38] <xnox> if we just drop 340 from the archive, it will remain installed on the users machines.
[12:38] <xnox> and will keep on breaking with new hwe stack uploads.
[12:38] <tseliot> xnox, yes, it will migrate users to nouveau
[12:38] <xnox> cool.
[12:46] <Laney> hmm
[12:47] <Laney> oem meta that ubiquity installed is marked auto and apt wants to remove it
[12:48] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zD3hnDzY6y/
[12:53] <xnox> maaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[12:53] <xnox> Laney:  didn't we like have a patch to ubiquity which were sponsoring for the point release to fix exactly that?!
[12:54] <Laney> maybe that's what broke it ¬_¬
[12:54] <Laney> I thought it worked before
[12:54] <Laney> it gets marked with auto_inst=True afaics
[12:55] <Laney> no that's not what that does
[12:58] <xnox>         if install_kernels:
[12:58] <xnox>             self.do_install(install_kernels)
[12:58] <xnox>             install_misc.record_installed(install_kernels)
[12:58] <xnox> i thought that should have marked them as installed manually.
[12:58] <xnox> can you check if nvidia modules & kernel metas were marked as manually installed, or also no?
[12:58]  * xnox reads pastebin again.
[12:59] <Laney> I'm not on oem either
[12:59] <xnox> horum
[12:59] <Laney> let me pastebin the installer syslog
[13:01] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SyXhn4DJk4/
[13:01] <Laney> Feb  1 12:31:54 ubuntu ubiquity[6853]: ubuntu-drivers list-oem finished with no available packages. Maybe we need to apt update? Doing that and trying again. hmm
[13:01] <Laney> why did it get installed then ...
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[13:09] <Laney> what is this ._.
[13:11] <juliank> huh
[13:13] <Laney> sigh
[13:13] <Laney> one of the ubuntu-drivers-common SRUs has broken the call which ubiquity is making
[13:14] <xnox> the one we pushed through to fix prime....
[13:14] <xnox> and we didn't catch it in groovy or hirsute, cause we don't do oem testing there.
[13:17] <Laney> SAD!
[13:21] <Laney> filed bug #1914051
[13:22] <Laney> tseliot: ^---- can you jump on this one please? :(
[13:22] <tseliot> Laney, sure
[13:22] <Laney> grazie
[13:23] <tseliot> :)
[13:24] <Laney> I'll try a test install haxing that file into place and make sure it is all done properly then
[13:29] <xnox> sil2100:  bdmurray:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-20.04.2 added the riscv kernel & ubuntu-drivers-common bugs to the 20.04.2 milestone.
[13:29] <Laney> ooh milestones
[13:34] <Laney> uh what, i'm ending up in the bios screen
[13:36] <kanashiro> ubuntu-archive: I'd like to kindly ask you to take a look at LP #1913598 and LP #1913596
[13:38]  * sil2100 just reads backlog
[13:38] <sil2100> Ok, so more respins then
[13:39]  * sil2100 is sad
[13:39]  * Laney fluffles sil2100
[13:39] <Laney> it's just a law of nature, you can't fight it
[13:40] <Laney> (not true, this could have been caught by better testing)
[13:42] <sil2100> Yeah, good that it surfaced now, not like a day before release
[13:42] <sil2100> Maybe we would have seen it last week if not for us missing those debian-cd changes for hwe enablement! But that was a special-case situation
[13:43] <sil2100> As Illidan would have said, we were not prepared
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[13:53] <Laney> meh
[13:53] <Laney> I'm still on generic, and the packages are not marked manual
[13:53] <xnox> but i thought kernels should have been fixed in apt to be never autoremoved.
[13:53] <Laney> wait, ignore the comment about generic
[13:53] <xnox> i wonder if oem-metas can be added to that
[13:53] <Laney> three eyed raven wants that one
[13:54] <Laney> I'll reinstall with an sku which wants oem
[13:58] <Laney> sutton.newell-ace
[14:11] <Laney> meh what, I just keep getting to the bios here too
[14:11] <Laney> what's the installer doing wrong
[14:15] <sil2100> Has it worked with the previous images?
[14:16] <sil2100> Like, some previous dailies
[14:16] <Laney> yeah it had some hirsute daily on it before, and tested this at .1 too
[14:17] <Laney> someone else want to try? boot image, open terminal, do "echo oem-sutton.newell-ace-meta | sudo tee /run/ubuntu-drivers-oem.autoinstall", then install and see if it boots
[14:19] <Laney> here's the syslog from that install: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pbs6NjSwBs/ (so much yay for the writable partition)
[14:19] <Laney> I can see that it goes through the codepath: Feb  1 14:09:30 ubuntu /plugininstall.py: Try to fix these broken packages: linux-oem-20.04.
[14:20] <rbalint> xnox, i think whole archive search would yield a lot of noise for a few potential hits, but this is at least promising: https://abi-laboratory.pro/index.php?view=navigator&symbol=float_t&kind=type#result
[14:20] <paride> sil2100, I'm having issues with the automated ISO test when installing with secureboot enabled, not sure why. However trying manually (still in a VM), works
[14:20] <Laney> but I dunno if anything in there explains why it wouldn't boot, perhaps someone can have a look
[14:21] <paride> so I'm not calling it broken :) but still investigating
[14:22] <Laney> back in 1h
[14:23] <sil2100> paride: hm, yeah, keep us informed!
[14:25] <sil2100> Laney: Temporary failure resolving ‘dell.archive.canonical.com’"
[14:25] <sil2100> Are those normal?
[14:25] <sil2100> But I guess that's already at the stages of cleanup
[14:26] <xnox> rbalint:  nice website!
[14:29] <sil2100> Laney: ok, so I have no idea about this part of ubiquity or the whole OEM story, but is it normal that all the oem kernels are autoremoved?
[14:55] <xnox> sil2100:  no. i think the oem-*-meta package + linux-oem + linux-modules-nvidia*-oem should be marked as manually installed as appropriate.
[14:56] <xnox> aka they are top level packages for "certified machine", "kernel flavour i use", "signed nvidia kernel modules meta for the kernel i use".
[14:56] <xnox> on the same par as "ubuntu-desktop" => aka meta that i installed.
[15:17] <sil2100> xnox: so it's good that they're removed, as seen via the syslog that Laney attached?
[15:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: grub2.04-signed (bionic-proposed/primary) [1.142.10]
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[15:27] <xnox> sil2100:  no, that's bad. oem stuff is usually not installed at all (only in /pool/ on the iso), and if it is installed, they all should be marked as "installed manually" and apt autoremove should not try to remove them.... as then one ends up without a kernel & without certified oem repos.
[15:29] <Laney> The DNS failure is just because I was offline when installing, that bit is fine
[15:29] <Laney> the rest of it is bad stuff
[15:32] <Laney> juliank: can you help us look into this https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/tree/ubiquity/install_misc.py#n526 in the context of that syslog?
[15:32] <Laney> probably faster than any of the rest of us trying to work it out
[15:32] <juliank> Laney: which one?
[15:32] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pbs6NjSwBs/
[15:32] <Laney> oem stuff gets removed, it hits that try to fix broken packages path too
[15:33] <Laney> and it's all marked auto in the target
[15:33] <Laney> this all worked at release time, so very suspicious of that change
[15:33] <juliank> Laney: this change was to avoid stuff being removed
[15:33] <Laney> indeed
[15:34] <juliank> Laney: But yes, from_user=False is set for new installs which marks them all auto
[15:34] <juliank> the not cachedpkg.is_installed: blocks should be from_user=True
[15:35] <sil2100> tseliot: hey! You're on the ubuntu-drivers-common regression with the --package-list argument not working, right?
[15:35] <juliank> (the other blocks presumably not; we call mark_auto manually afterwards)
[15:35] <juliank> (though I guess it doesn't matter?)
[15:36] <tseliot> sil2100, yes, I am about to upload the fix to a PPA, so that we can test it
[15:38] <juliank> Laney: I think we probably want all code paths to be from_user=True
[15:39] <Laney> ok lemme test that quickly
[15:40] <Laney> it's not going to mark too much stuff, like > 1 level deps?
[15:41] <Laney> this xps is so flaky at deciding to show the usb stick in the boot menu
[15:42] <juliank> Laney: it marks the top as manually installed and dependencies will be auto
[15:42] <juliank> Laney: so assuming the list is sensible, this should work; it should certainly restore auto states to where it was before the change
[15:42] <sil2100> tseliot: this is music to my ears!
[15:42] <sil2100> tseliot: thanks
[15:44] <Laney> okey, trying
[15:49] <Laney> this time the thing boots
[15:49] <Laney> I guess not removing the kernel is helpful eh
[15:49] <sil2100> eh
[15:49] <Laney> ok, on oem kernel and nothing for autoremoval this time
[15:49] <Laney> juliank wins the prize
[15:50] <sil2100> Well, we're anyway respinning all the desktop flavors, so we can squeeze this one in no problem
[15:50] <juliank> wheee
[15:50] <sil2100> juliank, Laney: thanks!
[15:50] <Laney> lol, that's no squeeze imho, but a release blocker
[15:50] <juliank> Laney: on the flip side, anything marked manual that shouldn't be
[15:50] <juliank> ?
[15:50] <Laney> can't install bricks
[15:50] <Laney> umm
[15:50] <Laney> i'll have to upload a list that we check together
[15:52] <Laney> 'apt list '?installed ?not(?automatic)' ?
[15:53] <Laney> heh, I installed in en_GB, it's got a US keyboard and now I can't find the |
[15:53] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1914075
[15:54] <sil2100> hm hm
[15:55] <sil2100> Indeed, no hwe kernel in the pool
[15:55] <Laney> juliank: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h2RgDPrhm9/
[15:55] <sil2100> NOICE
[15:55] <Laney> if that's a legit way to list those
[15:55] <Laney> the libraries i don't understand
[15:56] <juliank> yeah, it's not super optimal yet
[15:56] <juliank> But oh well, not super bad either
[15:56] <Laney> but it's not too bad
[15:56] <Laney> i guess
[15:56] <sil2100> xnox: ok, we have no hwe kernel in server-ship-live ...
[15:56] <sil2100> grrrr
[15:56] <Laney> ok, let me finish my noodles and then make a merge proposal
[15:57] <Laney> unless juliank can do it faster :-)
[15:57] <xnox> sil2100:  https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu-seeds/+merge/397277 please review
[15:57] <juliank> I don't have a checkout even I think
[15:57] <sil2100> On it
[15:57] <Laney> critical unresolvable blocker
[15:57] <Laney> :p
[15:58] <sil2100> xnox: proceed with merge o/
[15:58] <xnox> Laney:  juliank finishing your noodles faster than you?! =)
[15:58] <Laney> heh
[15:58] <Laney> the problem of not having ubiquity checked out
[15:58] <Laney> also, rolling kernel flavours around, we need a checklist for this or something
[15:58] <sil2100> xnox: ...and let me document that as well, for the future, so that we don't forget ;)
[15:59] <Laney> like when oem goes to 5.10 as I was mentionig last week, we need to move all the bits to 'b' too and not forget some part like the seeds
[16:01] <sil2100> Clearly it was always Adam enabling hwe in point-releases, oh well
[16:01] <Laney> that brain had too much in it!
[16:01] <Laney> mine is much smaller so need to have things written down
[16:08] <sil2100> Same!
[16:10] <tseliot> Laney, I understand --package-list when using list-oem, but what is it supposed to do when passed in together with "install"? Install and print out a list of packages, or just the latter?
[16:10] <Laney> tseliot: I think so, I think ubiquity uses it to install stuff in the live session and then the same again in the target system
[16:10] <tseliot> Laney, ok, thanks
[16:10] <xnox> install & cache in the file => is the right behaviour.
[16:11] <xnox> it is the case for "we will install an ethernet/wifi driver from /pool/; and we should remember that in a list, to install in-target too; such that both live session & installed system have internetz"
[16:11] <Laney> yeah without needing to re-run ubuntu-drivers again in the target
[16:11] <xnox> although i'm not sure if the total set of such drivers is zero these days =)
[16:12] <tseliot> xnox, ok, it makes sense
[16:13] <Laney> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu/tree/ship-live not zero!
[16:21] <xnox> Laney:  sure, but i think bcmwl-kernel-source is the only one. and i'm not sure how much of said hardware there is out there.
[16:22] <Laney> enough, given the bugs we always get when it breaks
[16:22] <xnox> true that!
[16:22] <Laney> and if you need it and can't get it, well
[16:22] <Laney> that sucks for you
[16:22] <xnox> and it doesn't work if secureboot is on.....
[16:22] <Laney> why not, the enrollment ui works fine
[16:22] <Laney> 'fine'
[16:22] <xnox> so one ends up installing offline, kind of. and only gets internets post mock-manager in -target only.
[16:23] <xnox> but will not get internets during live session though.
[16:23] <Laney> oh you mean in live
[16:23] <Laney> yeah sure
[16:23] <Laney> lrm it!
[16:23] <xnox> kernel team refused to sign that pile of crappy code =)
[16:24] <xnox> ditto a few modules that anbox uses, which are in modules-extras in staging, are not signed either.
[16:24] <xnox> i found it odd that i had to self-sign those.
[16:25] <Laney> why's that, does signing imply something about the quality or what?
[16:26] <xnox> at least that lockdown cannot be attacked/bypassed/arbitrary kernel memory cannot be read.
[16:26] <xnox> and i think the binder module does exactly that.
[16:26] <xnox> from anbox.
[16:34] <sil2100> Laney: sooo, regarding ubiquity - eh, if you're using the git branch to prep the fixes for OEM, I think the latest version changes will have to be backed off
[16:34] <Laney> I was just going to say
[16:34] <Laney> there's one in the queue, are you planning to reject?
[16:35] <sil2100> Since those are changes that have been pushed to the queue but uh, I don't think we want that there
[16:35] <sil2100> Yeah
[16:35] <sil2100> It was something I was considering, but seeing how many issues we have, I don't want to risk fixing a non-regression so late
[16:35] <Laney> then yes, I'll revert it and push the new change, then cherry pick it back
[16:36] <sil2100> Thank you, sorry for that extra work
[16:36] <sil2100> Last week everything seemed shiny enough
[16:36] <sil2100> So I actually instructed bdmurray to use the focal git branch for this, and now it backfired
[16:36] <Laney> It's fine, I think it's right generally to push the branch when uploading to the queue
[16:37] <Laney> ideally you leave the tag until it's accepted for situations like this
[16:39] <bdmurray> Laney: could you elaborate on "leave the tag"?
[16:39] <Laney> don't push it
[16:39] <Laney> keep it local
[16:39] <bdmurray> until it ends up in -proposed? in -updates?
[16:39] <Laney> the version doesn't really exist until it's accepted into the archive
[16:39] <rbasak> I do that for Debian uploads - tag locally, push only when the archive accepts
[16:40] <Laney> but for SRUs it's really easy to forget to do it when you get your accept some time later, so it's not a great thing to ask of people
[16:40] <Laney> but if you have to re-work it and the tag is pushed out to other people, that sucks also
[16:41] <rbasak> Yeah there's no great answer
[16:41] <rbasak> One day maybe we'll replace dput with a git push and all will be resolved
[16:41] <Laney> Need a git server which hides your tag away until the archive tells it to release it :-)
[16:43] <rbasak> In my world, the unapproved queue wouldn't be a thing. We'd use MPs for that stage instead.
[16:43] <Laney> Sounds nice actually, with the SRU team as a required reviewer
[16:43] <juliank> Just push the tag with a wait-approve/ prefix and then rename it once approved / next time someone looks at it?
[16:43] <rbasak> I'm not far from there with git-ubuntu and MPs at the moment
[16:43] <rbasak> For my team, I sometimes do SRU review at peer review time.
[16:44] <rbasak> Then when it appears in the queue, I just need to check that it's identical to what I already reviewed in an MP, and I can immediately accept. This part could be automated.
[16:44] <rbasak> (FWIW this doesn't work when there are new orig tarballs since those don't appear in the MP, but for regular bugfix SRUs it works well)
[16:45] <rbasak> juliank: related fact: annotated and signed git tags include the original tag name in the tag object itself
[16:45] <rbasak> So renaming a tag isn't identical to tagging it with the final name.
[16:45] <vorlon> doko: removal of rust-aes-soft: it does have rdeps, but reverse-depends doesn't do a good job of detecting reverse-deps on virtual packages
[16:46] <doko> ouch
[16:47] <juliank> rbasak: hmm
[16:48] <rbasak> I suppose you could tag with your final name locally and then push to the remote with a wait-approve/ prefix
[16:52] <tseliot> Laney, sil2100: I made packages for focal available here: https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/ubuntu/u-d-c-release
[16:54] <Laney> juliank: https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/397285 please
[16:55] <xnox> Laney:  the dgit way is to tag before upload; and use new version number if something doesn't get accepted. and upload with -v to include all the changes that haven't yet been seen in the archive.
[16:55] <juliank> Laney: lgtm
[16:55] <xnox> versions are cheap, use new ones, and have changelog reflect the changes being uploaded.
[16:56] <juliank> that's a bzr approach, it's not a good fit for git :D
[16:56] <xnox> har har
[16:56] <juliank> (related to bzr prefering to merge lots of fixup commits vs git rebasing)
[17:04] <sil2100> xnox: you pushed and merged the seed changes for hwe? Since I guess maybe I could kick new subiquity images now, since we don't care for ubiquity and ubuntu-drivers-common in the server-live images
[17:07] <Laney> hate building ubiquity
[17:07] <Laney> random files always turn up in the diff
[17:09] <xnox> sil2100:  yes.
[17:10] <xnox> Laney:  i had a theory to fix those..... by removing them from git history and marking the volatile ones to be .gitignored. but didn't actually get around to doing that.
[17:10] <xnox> Laney:  plus then they would still kind of show up in the debdiffs
[17:11] <Laney> tseliot: thanks, if you've tested that, feel free to upload to hirsute & the queue
[17:11] <sil2100> \o/
[17:11] <sil2100> Laney, tseliot: thank you!
[17:11] <sil2100> Just give me a sign once it's uploaded, I'll insta-review it
[17:16] <xnox> sil2100:  like on instagram right? double-tap to accept.
[17:18] <xnox> i'm off for a bike ride, will be back later to double check on respun images.
[17:18] <xnox> hopefully will have better subiquity isos by then.
[17:18] <sil2100> o/ yeah, they're building, will be ready for you and paride finding more critical bugs on them :D
[17:19] <paride> \o/
[17:21] <tseliot> sil2100, Laney it doesn't throw an error, but I don't really have a system that requires the oem packages
[17:27] <rbasak> versions are cheap> there's also a cost to going "I see this skipped a version; where's the missing one?". Versions _are_ cheap, but missing versions that never got published can cause confusion.
[17:27] <rbasak> IOW, to use the "cheap" analogy, versions that never got published never actually got spent
[17:32] <Laney> tseliot: I checked, the file gets written now :>
[17:32] <tseliot> good
[17:33] <tseliot> in the future I should probably write a test case for that. For now I'll just upload what I have
[17:33] <Laney> Yeah cwayne mentioned that too, when I was suggesting we could have caught this earlier
[17:38] <Laney> sil2100: it is there
[17:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity (focal-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[17:44] <sil2100> Laney: on it in 5 min!
[17:44] <sil2100> tseliot: upload as soon as you're ready as well! :)
[17:45] <Laney> sil2100: not sure if you wanted to wait for bcmwl too (bdmurray has been following up on that)?
[17:46] <bdmurray> Laney: So this means people that need bcmwl wouldn't be able to install over wireless?
[17:47] <Laney> well
[17:48] <Laney> It can't be enabled in a live session on secure booted systems, but would probably work for non sb ones
[17:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubiquity [source] (focal-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:48] <sil2100> (that's the previous one ^)
[17:48] <Laney> so, all installed systems, and non-sb live systems *could* have bcmwl if only it worked
[17:49] <bdmurray> Right, so we could SRU it this week.
[17:49] <Laney> I dunno how you're meant to get the SRU if you don't have any wireless
[17:49] <bdmurray> Heh, alright.
[17:50] <Laney> For me I'd be getting this fixed for the point release
[17:50] <sil2100> Oh boy, such ubiquity changes always scare me a bit, but I guess this has been tested - I trust juliank's judgement here!
[17:50] <Laney> It's already bad enough that people were rolled onto the new kernel and got it broken then
[17:50] <Laney> imo
[17:51] <sil2100> Laney, bdmurray: can I get some context on the bcmwl? What's the bug number?
[17:51] <bdmurray> bug 1909369 is an example
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity [source] (focal-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:51] <bdmurray> there's a few failure to build bugs which are duplicates of it
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-drivers-common (focal-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>~<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:<IP_ADDRESS>~<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[17:51] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1872908
[17:52] <tseliot> sil2100, Laney uploaded for hirsute and focal
[17:52] <Laney> 👍
[17:52] <sil2100> tseliot: excellent, thanks! Looking!
[17:52] <tseliot> yw
[17:52]  * tseliot going offline now
[17:53] <bdmurray> I'll consolidate the duplicates to Laney's bug
[17:55] <sil2100> Laney, bdmurray: this bug seems to have quite the number of affected users, so I
[17:55] <sil2100> I'd like to get that fixed if possible - fginther ^
[17:55] <sil2100> fginther: is this something that's being worked on right now?
[17:55] <Laney> f_ginther said internally that they were checking on the status
[18:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity amd64 [Focal 20.04.2] has been updated (20210201.2)
[18:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity arm64 [Focal 20.04.2] has been updated (20210201.2)
[18:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity ppc64el [Focal 20.04.2] has been updated (20210201.2)
[18:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity s390x [Focal 20.04.2] has been updated (20210201.2)
[18:03] <bdmurray> I'll just start preparing an upload of bcmwl
[18:04] <sil2100> xnox, paride: subiquity built ^
[18:15] <fossfreedom> quick question - should the HWE kernel be the default on our 20.04.2 ISOs or the 5.4 kernel?
[18:18] <sil2100> tseliot: ouch, I guess we can't accept this u-d-c SRU, I think you reverted xnox's change that skips tests on riscv64
[18:18] <sil2100> tseliot: I'll re-upload with that re-added
[18:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bcmwl (focal-proposed/restricted) [<IP_ADDRESS>1+bdcom-0ubuntu5 => <IP_ADDRESS>1+bdcom-0ubuntu7~20.04.1] (kernel-dkms, ubuntu-desktop)
[18:19] <bdmurray> ^- sil2100
[18:29] <sil2100> bdmurray: on it in a moment o/
[18:43] <sil2100> fossfreedom: you mean flavors other than ubuntu-desktop?
[18:47] <fossfreedom> sil2100: yes
[18:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-drivers-common (focal-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>~<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:<IP_ADDRESS>~<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[18:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-drivers-common [source] (focal-proposed) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>~<IP_ADDRESS>]
[18:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-drivers-common [source] (focal-proposed) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>~<IP_ADDRESS>]
[19:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bcmwl [source] (focal-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>1+bdcom-0ubuntu7~20.04.1]
[19:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-11-cross [amd64] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [2ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[19:24] <sil2100> fossfreedom: hm, that's a good question, I guess it always did with .2 so I'd expect it to happen here as well
[19:24] <sil2100> hmmm
[19:25] <sil2100> Guess we might want to switch it still, eh
[19:27] <fossfreedom> sil2100: it was a little unexpected to see the 5.4 kernel - at 18.04.2 and later HWE was the default - at least of U Budgie
[19:28] <sil2100> Yeah, I think we still need to do that, darn
[19:29] <fossfreedom> thx for the confirmation.... I'll continue smoke testing
[19:35]  * sil2100 's looking at that
[19:37] <sil2100> Another step to document!
[21:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed cifs-utils from i386-whitelist in hirsute
[21:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed ding-libs from i386-whitelist in hirsute
[21:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed liblivemedia from i386-whitelist in hirsute
[21:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed libnfsidmap from i386-whitelist in hirsute
[21:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed sssd from i386-whitelist in hirsute
[21:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed uid-wrapper from i386-whitelist in hirsute
[21:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gcc-11-cross to i386-whitelist in hirsute
[21:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added lto-disabled-list to i386-whitelist in hirsute
[21:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added ufolib2 to i386-whitelist in hirsute
[21:07] <vorlon> doko: ^^ commit needing pushing?
[21:26] <sil2100> vorlon: hey! Can you take a look at this? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/397301
[21:27] <sil2100> vorlon: not sure if anything else is needed - I didn't forward port the HWE="yes" bits from bionic as we didn't create hwe X stack packages, and just rolled existing ones (since there was no major version change)
[21:27] <sil2100> I guess this would suffice to get hwe enabled on all the flavours?
[21:31] <sil2100> I browsed the commit from when it was enabled for bionic and it felt like nothing more is needed
[21:31] <vorlon> sil2100: I can take a look in ~30m
[21:33] <sil2100> Sure o/ I'll prep the upload anyway, without merging (we can reject and add more on top)
[21:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (focal-proposed/main) [2.664.13 => 2.664.14] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[21:39] <sil2100> bdmurray: hm, do we have anyone that could re-verify the ubiquity fix? Though I think that since Laney already tested it before proposing the upload, maybe we don't need to
[21:39] <sil2100> Since well, we'll have it tested as part of isotesting
[21:39] <sil2100> I'll release bcmwl as it seems to be verified already
[21:40] <bdmurray> sil2100: which ubiquity fix?
[21:42] <sil2100> bdmurray: the one for the OEM kernel installation, so this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1914091
[21:44] <bdmurray> sil2100: Maybe William could verify it and I could release it so you can bail?
[21:47] <sil2100> I'd still stick around since we need to get this livecd-rootfs uploaded and released too... not to mention u-d-c
[21:47] <sil2100> eh
[21:47] <sil2100> hm, good idea, I'll upload it to bileto, test it already and we can bin-copy then
[21:48] <bdmurray> Okay, I'll verify the ubiquity one then
[21:48] <sil2100> Thank you!
[21:49] <sil2100> I go get something to eat while stuff is building
[22:41] <sil2100> Ok, running that test build now
[22:50] <bdmurray> sil2100: finishing SRU verification
[22:51] <vorlon>         ubuntu-netbook)
[22:51] <vorlon>                 add_task install minimal standard ubuntu-netbook
[22:51] <vorlon>                 LIVE_TASK='netbook-live'
[22:51] <vorlon>                 ;;
[22:51] <vorlon> we should do some more pruning maybe
[22:52] <bdmurray> but it might come back!
[22:52] <vorlon> then we'd better keep the shotgun loaded and by the door
[22:53] <sil2100> hah, yeah, saw all those fancy flavors
[22:59] <sil2100> I'm verifying u-d-c now
[23:02] <sil2100> https://launchpad.net/~sil2100/+livefs/ubuntu/focal/ubuntu-mate/+build/258509 <- ok, livefs build with the livecd-rootfs change looks good, I see the hwe kernel in the manifest
[23:03] <sil2100> vorlon: thanks for the review! Pushing the bin-copy to -proposed
[23:03] <sil2100> And merging everything
[23:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected livecd-rootfs [source] (focal-proposed) [2.664.14]
[23:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (focal-proposed/main) [2.664.13 => 2.664.14] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist) (sync)
[23:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [sync] (focal-proposed) [2.664.14]
[23:09] <sil2100> grrr, ubuntu-drivers-common is *STILL* building for riscv64
[23:10] <sil2100> bdmurray: I have verified the livecd-rootfs upload already ^ once the package settles in -proposed (it doesn't have to build any binaries as it has been bin-copied from bileto), can you release it?
[23:10] <sil2100> u-d-c also feels safe to release, but we need the riscv64 build to finish first
[23:11]  * sil2100 goes AFK for a bit
[23:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: apt-transport-in-toto [amd64] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [0.1.1-2] (no packageset)
[23:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-prison [amd64] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [0.1.3-1] (no packageset)
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[05:04] <Kilos> morning all
[05:28] <mazal> Mornings
[05:46] <magespawn> good morning
[06:49] <inetpro> Hallo
[06:58] <dlPhreak> Morning.
[07:09] <magespawn> hi inetpro dlPhreak
[07:10] <Kilos> hi inetpro magespawn dlPhreak
[07:10] <chesedo> morning Kilos mazal magespawn inetpro dlPhreak and all others
[07:10] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[07:11] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[07:11] <magespawn> chesedo: hi
[07:13] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:14] <Kilos> wow za membership has to be renewed yearly
[07:15] <Kilos> just renewed mind and only valid till 27 jan 2017
[07:15] <Kilos> mine
[07:15] <mazal> I wonder when mine is
[07:15] <mazal> Think I also did it last year
[07:15] <Kilos> hi mazal
[07:15] <mazal> Lo oom
[07:19] <magespawn> hi mazal
[07:19] <magespawn> inetpro when does your free aws stop/
[07:19] <magespawn> ?
[07:24] <magespawn> what is the ubuntu place where you manage software online? i have gone blank
[07:25] <dlPhreak> Dunno, launchpad?
[07:26] <magespawn> thats it, got it 2 seconds before you said it
[07:26] <Kilos> haha
[07:27] <dlPhreak> Oh goody, so I'm not completely clueless ^__^
[07:57] <MaNI> even a broken clock is right twice a day
[08:27] <magespawn> MaNI: ha
[09:06] <magespawn> chat later all, got some driving to do
[09:10] <arts> Sup werner
[09:18] <Kilos> aw missed arts
[09:20] <dlPhreak> What's that?
[09:58] <Kilos> <-- arts<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left this server (Ping timeout: 260 seconds).
[09:59] <Kilos> xorry i took so long to answer
[09:59] <Kilos> sorry
[10:06] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[12:23] <mazal> Have a nice weekend everyone ;)
[13:00] <Bilel_mk> hello everyone can someone help wen i put my script ajax and my script jquery in a same the script ajax does not work  but wen i put every one  alone it work???   http://pastebin.com/9pE9KPr9
[13:01] <Bilel_mk> hello everyone can someone help wen i put my script ajax and my script jquery in a same the same page .js , the script ajax does not work  but wen i put every one  alone it work???   http://pastebin.com/9pE9KPr9
[13:34] <arts> sup everyone!
[13:37] <superfly> ohi
[13:40] <arts> how you doing superfly?
[13:42] <superfly> busy
[13:42] <superfly> no slow firdays here
[13:42] <superfly> *fridays
[13:43] <arts> where is that?
[13:46] <Kilos> hi arts
[13:47] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[13:47] <arts> great to be here!!!
[13:48] <Kilos> the fly is in capetown arts
[13:52] <arts> nice!
[13:54] <Kilos> he is our python pro
[13:54] <Kilos> amongst other things
[13:54] <arts> that so awesome, I'm bust trying to wrap my brain around python at the moment, very nice language!
[13:55] <Kilos> just very busy most of the time
[13:55] <Kilos> are you using byteofpython
[13:56] <arts> whats that?
[13:59] <Kilos> Maaz google byteofpython
[13:59] <Maaz> Kilos: "A Byte of Python - Swaroop CH" http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/python/ :: "A Byte of Python - Swaroop CH" http://files.swaroopch.com/python/byte_of_python.pdf :: "A Byte of Python - Ibiblio" https://www.ibiblio.org/swaroopch/byteofpython/read/ :: "A Byte of Python (PDF) - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf ::
[13:59] <Maaz> "Free PDF: A Byte of Python by Swaroop C H" http://freepdfs.org/pdf/a-byte-of-python :: "A…
[13:59] <Kilos> its a learning program
[13:59] <Kilos> top link
[14:01] <Kilos> Maaz google mouse and keyboard stop working on 15.10
[14:01] <Maaz> Kilos: "USB Keyboard & Mouse Stopped Working (Ubuntu 15.10) - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/708145/usb-keyboard-mouse-stopped-working-ubuntu-15-10 :: "USB Mouse and Keyboard stop working unexpectedly - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/572852/usb-mouse-and-keyboard-stop-working-unexpectedly :: "Keyboard and Mouse not working after update in
[14:01] <Maaz> Kubuntu 15.10" http://askubuntu.com/questions/695922/keyboard-and-mouse-not-working-after-upda…
[14:02] <Kilos> arts check out those links
[14:02] <Kilos> you using usb mouse and kboard
[14:04] <arts> Thanks!
[14:04] <arts> no it's the built in Kb and mouse
[14:04] <arts> but there was a usb keyboard and mouse plugged in during install
[14:04] <Kilos> ok lets try again
[14:05] <Kilos> Maaz google onboard mause and keyboard suddenly stop working on gigabyte laptop on ubuntu
[14:05] <Maaz> Kilos: "Toshiba Laptop keyboard and mouse intermittently stop working ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/393051/toshiba-laptop-keyboard-and-mouse-intermittently-stop-working :: "keyboard - USB slots stop working suddenly from time ... - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/206614/usb-slots-stop-working-suddenly-from-time-to-time :: "Why is USB not working in
[14:05] <Maaz> Linux when it works in UEFI/BIOS? - Unix ..." http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/72…
[14:16] <Kilos> guys we need some help please
[14:16] <Kilos> this lappy http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5471
[14:17] <Kilos> with ubuntu 15.10 . mouse and keyboard stop working now and again
[14:21] <Kilos> inetpro fix it
[14:22] <chesedo> does the usb still work when the onboard is off?
[14:22] <arts> yep
[14:26] <chesedo> from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection ...
[14:26] <chesedo> try `cat /proc/bus/input/devices` ...
[14:27] <chesedo> and see if the touchpad is listed
[14:28] <arts> will do in 5 on my way home :)
[14:32] <Kilos> he should by a new lappy and throw that one here
[14:33] <Kilos> buy
[14:34] <Kilos> i could play lekker with an i7 with 8g of ram
[14:54] <chesedo> lol... Kilos you'll still need some data :P
[14:59] <Kilos> why?
[15:00] <Kilos> i still have enough for the month
[15:00] <Kilos> oh i see
[15:00] <Kilos> ya you right
[15:01] <Kilos> thats a lovely laptop that
[15:01] <Kilos> he is new to ubuntu
[15:01] <Kilos> so still needs to learn what the dash is and so on
[15:09] <arts> hey guys im back
[15:10] <arts> In ubuntu this time, it seems the keyboard randomly switches on and off, but usb keyboard and mouse are stable
[15:56] <chesedo> arts: and the touchpad is ok now?
[15:57] <arts> nope :(
[15:57] <arts> totally dead along with the keyboard
[16:00] <MaNI> all the time or only after sleeping the computer? I've had an issue like that when resuming from sleep before
[16:01] <MaNI> also check dmesg and see if it logs anything when it stops working
[16:02] <chesedo> arts: all the stuff we ask you to check should be done in a terminal
[16:02] <chesedo> the shortcut is <ctrl> + <alt> + t
[16:06] <chesedo> also feel free to ask for clarification when we don't make sense
[16:29] <dlPhreak> Greets
[16:29] <Kilos> o/
[16:29] <dlPhreak> Hi kilos
[16:30] <Kilos> hows things dlPhreak
[16:30] <dlPhreak> Same ol crap differnt day, Kilos. There?
[16:31] <Kilos> haha same here too
[16:32] <dlPhreak> Hehe oh well life goes on.
[16:33] <dlPhreak> At least it's the weekend..  I have been having issues with my connectivity the entire day yesterday
[17:47] <Private_User> actually been having issues fro a a few days connection just drops for no reason then comes back
[17:47] <Kilos> you have issues even when the web is good
[17:47] <Private_User> lol
[17:47] <kulelu88> somebody mentioned that an intern was testing the on/off switch at the undersea cables
[17:48] <Private_User> thats true Kilos
[17:48] <Kilos> lol
[17:48] <Kilos> i had 3g drop to edge a few times
[17:48] <arts> I heard Mweb user were getting 4KBPS LOL
[17:48] <arts> edge = death
[17:48] <Kilos> for about 3 days but good again now
[17:49] <Private_User> same here Kilos so I guess maybe there was an issue
[17:49] <Kilos> i did upgrades on gprs when i started on ubuntu
[17:49] <Kilos> took 9 hours to do first upgrade on a new install
[17:49] <kulelu88> eehhh edge keeps my fones battery chugging along
[17:49] <arts> that must have taken a while!
[17:50] <kulelu88> we need to teach you how to leech free wifi Kilos
[17:50] <arts> hacking wifi
[17:50] <Kilos> there is no wifi available out here
[17:50] <Private_User> please do kulelu88 I also want to learn
[17:50] <Kilos> i have aircrack already
[17:51] <Kilos> Private_User you too far out as well
[17:51] <kulelu88> oom Kilos I am beginning to think the area of Pretoria you're in still thinks its 1980 and doesn't know what internet is
[17:51] <Private_User> eish
[17:51] <Private_User> LOL
[17:51] <Kilos> i have even asked telkom to make wifi available out herre
[17:52] <Private_User> you probably right kulelu88
[17:52] <Kilos> they said they will put it in their planning schedule
[17:52] <arts> TEACH TEACH TeACH!!!!
[17:53] <Private_User> so basically Telkom told you that maybe in a few years time say maybe 5 to 10
[17:53] <Private_User> lol
[17:53] <Kilos> yeah
[17:53] <Kilos> ive even checked out hotspots around here
[17:53] <arts> that sucks
[17:53] <Kilos> but they weak
[17:54] <Kilos> only pick them up like 50 metres
[17:54] <kulelu88> build a massive signal booster, hijack someones satellite dish
[17:54] <Kilos> and im 5 ks + the 50 metres
[17:54] <arts> a cantena?
[17:54] <Kilos> ive looked at that as well
[17:55] <Kilos> but was told here hacking into satelite internet is illegal
[17:56] <Kilos> my 3g works fine, just no data to waste on movies etc
[17:56] <kulelu88> not hacking into satellite internet. creating a massive signal booster
[17:56] <kulelu88> wifi on steroids
[17:56] <Kilos> lol
[17:57] <Kilos> wifi needs line of site to work and the hotspots are in small rural shops
[17:57] <Kilos> like 1.5 metres above ground
[17:57] <kulelu88> wait a second, how far are you from hatfield and/or centurion ? (whichever is closer)
[17:58] <Kilos> whew
[17:58] <Kilos> hatfield maybe 20 ks
[17:58] <Kilos> centurion mybe 40 ks
[17:58] <kulelu88> This must be a place on the city-boundary of PTA
[17:59] <Kilos> and we are in a dip so 100 metres below those aareas
[17:59] <kulelu88> How far from Kwagga centre?
[17:59] <Kilos> yip about 8 ks west os last robot
[17:59] <Kilos> of
[18:00] <Kilos> lemme just place kwagga
[18:01] <Kilos> north over the mountain from kwagga
[18:01] <Kilos> and about 10 ks west as well
[18:01] <Kilos> 3g fine man
[18:02] <kulelu88> aah I think I know where you are
[18:02] <Kilos> im here more than most of you
[18:02] <kulelu88> Rural afrikaaner land
[18:02] <Kilos> van der hoff to brits
[18:02] <Kilos> 8 ks from mahem
[18:14] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:14] <arts> night night
[18:16] <Private_User> night Kilos
[18:16] <Private_User> eish was too late
[18:16] <Private_User> oh well I guess I will go and grabs some grub, BBL
[18:25] <arts> lakka
[18:25] <arts> what doyou know about python?
[18:31] <kulelu88> you a programmer? arts
[18:53] <arts> Did you get my msg kulelu88
[18:54] <arts> Did you get my msg kulelu88
[19:22] <kulelu88> yes I did arts
[19:46]  * dlPhreak ^__^
[19:47] <arts> sup DlPhreak
[19:59]  * chesedo lurks in
[20:00] <chesedo> arts: will check that touchpad & keyboard of yours again tom...
[20:00] <chesedo> night all
[20:00] <dlPhreak> ants
[20:00] <dlPhreak> good night chesedo
[20:15] <dlPhreak> arts
[20:15] <arts> yo yo yo
[20:15] <dlPhreak> Choo upto?
[20:16] <arts> Learning Python nu?
[20:16] <arts> nuuuuuuuuuuuuu?
[20:19] <kulelu88> never seen you guys before here
[20:20] <arts> dlphreak turned me onto irc, forcefully.... ;|
[20:26] <kulelu88> both you guys from kzn?
[20:26] <dlPhreak> I mostly lurk.
[20:28] <kulelu88> How long you been here? dlPhreak
[20:29] <dlPhreak> Off and on since '09
[20:29] <dlPhreak> You?
[20:51] <kulelu88> must be here and abouts since 2012/2013
[20:52] <arts> awesome!
[22:47] <Private_User> wow quite a few nicks in here I have not seen
[22:48] <Private_User> hows it going peeps I have not seen here and only seem to have noticed today
[23:05] <Private_User> hmm...


[00:06] <ChinnoDog> ok, I have it kind of working. hmm
[00:09] <ChinnoDog> I don't want it to draw the desktop though
[00:23] <InHisName> Hey Guys, I have software update running and it says:  "Installing Updates"  "Running post-installation trigger dpkg-exec"   Details --> 95% completed and has been stuck there for hours/days now.   What to do about this ?
[00:23] <InHisName> Just want to know what to do the make recovery least difficult.
[00:24] <InHisName> Panel Title is "Software Updater"
[00:38] <rmg51> kill it
[00:39] <rmg51> start over hope for the best
[09:34] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:44] <rmg51> Morning JonathanD
[09:44] <JonathanD> hey
[09:45] <rmg51> o/
[11:44] <waltman_> morning
[12:40] <InHisName> Morning
[13:28] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: all those issues and more will be covered at FOSSCON - that's why you should attend
[13:28] <JonathanD> I agree.
[13:30] <rmg51> and Teddy will have chocolate :-D
[13:36] <waltman> Teddy always has chocolate.
[13:39] <rmg51> he lives on it