[08:41] <mup> PR snapd#12985 closed: many: fill laid out types with disk data when created, on updates <Run nested> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12985>
[09:11] <mup> PR snapd#13029 opened: tests/core20-auto-remove-user: do retries for set-ntp <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13029>
[09:41] <mup> PR snapd#11054 closed: progress: fix ansimeter inconsistent time left formatting <Precious but later :heart:> <Created by flotter> <Closed by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11054>
[09:51] <mup> PR snapd#12279 closed: o/devicestate: validate volume info from installer <⛔ Blocked> <Needs Samuele review> <Run nested> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Closed by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12279>
[10:56] <mup> PR snapd#12961 closed: overlord,tests: use always 00-snapd-config.yaml to store netplan config <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12961>
[11:17] <mup> PR snapd#13030 opened: cmd/snap: hide append-integrity-data <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13030>
[12:57] <mup> PR snapd#12953 closed: aspects: merge and improve not found errors <Cleanup :broom:> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12953>
[13:02] <mup> PR snapd#13031 opened: add directory creation for personal-files interface <Created by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13031>
[13:17] <mup> PR snapd#13032 opened: aspects: optimise aspect transaction Get() <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13032>
[14:23] <mup> PR core20#155 opened: static/usr/lib<EMAIL_ADDRESS>must remain after exit <Created by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/155>
[15:23] <mup> PR snapd#13030 closed: cmd/snap: hide append-integrity-data <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13030>
[15:53] <mup> PR snapd#13024 closed: snap-confine: fix missing \0 after readlink <Simple 😃> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13024>
[17:08] <mup> PR snapd#13033 opened: tests: fix error in gadget-config-defaults-to-snaps test <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13033>
[18:14] <mup> PR snapd#13034 opened: Preseed authority delegation <Created by atomcult> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13034>
[19:24] <mup> PR snapd#12955 closed: tests: add fedora-38 and remove fedora-36 <Squash-merge> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12955>
[20:54] <mup> PR snapcraft#4292 closed: build(deps): bump certifi from 2023.5.7 to 2023.7.22 <Dependencies> <Python> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4292>


[07:15] <flocculant> am I confused (more than generally that is ... ) VSZ is virtual memory I thought - not sure why anything would think it could have 114.5GiB of that https://i.imgur.com/oEmr10T.png
[17:45] <willem> I'm seeing something I don't understand when doing sudo apt update/upgrade from terminal: https://imgur.com/a/PirMU0k Is this something that needs to be reported? If so where?
[17:46] <willem> translation of the messages: Target <..> has been configured several times in <..>
[22:21] <sublevel> willem: you somehow have ended up with duplicate lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:22] <sublevel> I haven't seen it before but can replicate it here on lubuntu
[22:22] <sublevel> ...if I make a duplicate line on purpose
[22:26] <sublevel> ah,  maybe not exact duplicates,  could be you you have two entries that list the same packages.  look at lines 5, 16 and 52 anyway.
[22:27] <sublevel> (I'm new to the channel, can't answer if/where you should report)


[15:58] <ev> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/627791 - perplexing. I'd think the fd was still flock'ed but he said he rebooted
[15:58] <ubot2> ev: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x993484c> bug 627791 not found
[16:41] <CarlFK> looks like the installer doesn't like a dash in hostname:    dhcpd.conf:        option host-name "room-a" ;  /var/log/installer/syslog  debconf: --> SUBST netcfg/invalid_hostname hostname ; Adding [hostname] -> []
[16:42] <cjwatson> that would be a bug, but it's not possible to debug it with just that information - needs the full syslog
[16:43] <CarlFK> coming up
[16:44] <CarlFK> I'll log it to lp
[16:51] <CarlFK> er.. something not right.  my #comment is a lie.  might have been  host-name a_1, which is invalid, right?
[16:56] <cjwatson> yes, it is
[16:58] <cjwatson> the RFC952/RFC1123 combined grammar for host names is <let-or-digit>[*[<let-or-digit-or-hyphen>]<let-or-digit>]
[16:58] <cjwatson> the installer enforces this
[18:28] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1431 ubuntu/ (57 files in 2 dirs): Update help text translations from Launchpad.
[18:30] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1432 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu25


[12:34] <jrwren> kinda cool to just run across a CC BY NC SA doc when clicking a link from an npr news story.
[17:17] <dzho> oh?


[18:29] <charlie-tca> Anyone want to do an UbuntuOpenWeek session on accessibility? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[18:29] <AlanBell> I would like there to be one!
[19:02] <maco> the thing where it repeats itself might be fixed now
[19:02] <maco> i didnt get a chance to test this weekend
[19:02] <maco> but cjwatson and i hunted a bit on friday, and the result was "oh hey ev may have fixed this yesterday"
[19:03] <maco> vmware on this machine is cranky about doing sound though, so if either of you get through a screenreader install, lemme know if it does the right thing on radio buttons
[19:04] <maco> it was doing "replace ubuntu with ubuntu. replace windows with ubuntu. checkbox not checked" for example. shouldve only said the first sentence
[19:25] <AlanBell> nice, I will test this later


[16:33] <demoneye> :D
[16:59] <Avihay> demoneye: the audio statering in flash is caused by PulseAudio
[16:59] <Avihay> running
[17:00] <Avihay> pulseaudio --kill && pulseaudio --start
[17:00] <Avihay> should solve the issue... temporarily
[17:02] <demoneye> hi avi
[17:14] <Avihay> hi
[22:50] <demon^eye> avi
[22:50] <demon^eye> are u here?!


[12:28] <otubo> Odd_Bloke, quick question on PR 428: Would you like a unittest for kernel_version() function? We already have tests for swap file.
[12:31] <otubo> Odd_Bloke, oh I see you specified you want both :-) Nevermind.
[12:35] <Odd_Bloke> :)
[12:40] <otubo> Odd_Bloke, but I'm not sure I can test the kernel_version function without issuing os.uname() again. I would have to hard-code a kernel version assuming I know the actual kernel version in where the test will run.
[12:43] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: I noticed this when reviewing your generator PR: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/452
[12:45] <otubo> Odd_Bloke, Oh, didn't see you already had this PR! Apologies :-)
[12:46] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: Oh, no, I noticed that one of the other systemd files was incorrect when I was grepping around to confirm that your change matched the rest of the templates.  Your fix already landed, this is a different file. :)
[12:47] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: Regarding testing kernel_version(), I was thinking that you'd mock out os.uname() and test that if you return a few different valid kernel versions (ideally formatted how we would find across a few different distros) it produces the expected tuple.
[12:48] <otubo> Odd_Bloke, oh nice one, indeed.
[12:54] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks for the review!
[12:59] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, huh, I thought I had a committer +1 on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/391 but I don't; could someone give me a +1 so I can hit the green button?
[13:10] <meena> Odd_Bloke: i could but its not worth much
[13:17] <Odd_Bloke> :)
[13:25] <Odd_Bloke> Similarly, just looking for a committer +1 here: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/452
[13:27] <otubo> Odd_Bloke, I don't think I'm a committer, am I?
[13:29] <Odd_Bloke> Nope, that's Chad, Ryan, Scott and myself.
[13:37] <powersj> ahem
[13:37] <powersj> Odd_Bloke, +1 on 452
[13:40] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: Thanks!
[13:43] <powersj> +1 on 391
[13:44] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks!
[14:51] <meena> otubo: Odd_Bloke tried to give me reviewer permissions before, and it didn't pan out
[14:52] <meena> my ✅ is still grey
[14:52] <Odd_Bloke> meena: I gave you enough permissions that we can _request_ reviews from you, we still want to have a committer's +1 even on BSD-specific changes.
[15:07] <meena> aaaaaaahh
[15:59] <blackboxsw> sorry lucasmoura just pushed that missing release -> UBUNTU_RELEASE commit to the sru test refactor https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/128 and merged your RandomPassword validatrion
[15:59] <blackboxsw> validation rather
[17:12] <falcojr> whats the point of these "ssh "${SSHOPTS[@]}" ubuntu@$VM_IP -- grep Trace /var/log/cloud-init.log" lines in the manual verification?
[17:13] <falcojr> there's no trace in the logs so the script is failing
[17:13] <blackboxsw> falcojr: generally with set -ex in the script we should have made that line whats the point of these "ssh "${SSHOPTS[@]}" ubuntu@$VM_IP -- ! grep Trace /var/log/cloud-init.log"
[17:13] <blackboxsw> sorry if I switched the script to set -ex, I should have adapted those lines to expect no matches
[17:13] <blackboxsw> or fail quickly if they hit it
[17:14] <blackboxsw> note the bang "!" above
[17:14] <falcojr> gotcha. I saw some with a bang and some without, so was wondering
[17:14]  * blackboxsw looks over the refactor cloud tests and fixes that throughout
[17:15] <blackboxsw> gce and azure scripts it seems
[17:15] <rharper> blackboxsw: btw, this swap: auto for swapfile is a PITA, all of my lxd deployments use ZFS and ZFS does not support swapfiles ... so having to go VM route;  lxd vms IIRC don't have cloud-images for Xenial (right? ) so that'll have to be a one-off  to get a xenial cloud-image up; should ahve a PR up for that today
[17:16] <blackboxsw> gce/softlayer I mean , though I ffixed softlayer in the PR https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/130
[17:16] <Odd_Bloke> I think we've figured out that you can launch xenial VMs but the lxd agent won't work without the HWE kernel so you can't use any of the `lxc` commands to interact with it.
[17:17] <Odd_Bloke> Someone else please confirm though, we've been learning a lot over the past couple of days so I might have got mixed up. :p
[17:17] <blackboxsw> rharper: sorry, right so falcojr was using ssh into the xenial lxc container instead of lxc exec specifically for xenial https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/129
[17:19] <blackboxsw> strange thing rharper is that paride was still able to lxc launch ubuntu-daily:xenial --vm  --profile <vm_profile> yesterday I thought (and I know I was able to do the same last week, but can no longer do that today)
[17:19] <rharper> well, I think I'm going to add an ext4 loop device as a storage pool to lxd
[17:19] <blackboxsw> rharper: trusty via lxc launch --vm is an official "not gonna do it" as far as images. Xenial has some support, and bionic+ is good to go
[17:19] <rharper> then file-based swaps will work and I can just use the normal lxc path
[17:19] <falcojr> @rharper I tested some other swap srus
[17:19] <falcojr> I can take this one too if that's easier
[17:20] <rharper> I've got the test written; just a matter of running  it on all of the releases
[17:20] <falcojr> kk
[17:25] <blackboxsw> falcojr: pushed the "! grep Trace" commit  into sru/refactor-manual-clouds
[17:31] <blackboxsw> o/  sparkiegeek
[17:31] <sparkiegeek> \o blackboxsw
[17:34] <sparkiegeek> I'm trying to understand how MAAS needs to send user-data to cloud-init for the machines it boots. AFAICT MAAS is currently base64 encoding a script, and sending it as application/octet-stream but I might be misunderstanding
[17:40]  * blackboxsw is peeking through maas code again to see how cloud-config userdata is specified directly to cloud-init.  Generally I believe providing any cloud-init userdata types should be acceptable and interpreted correctly by cloud-init https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/format.html
[17:42] <blackboxsw> In maas case, I know that cloud-init gets some user-data/ or at least vendors data through a curtin config passthrough that maas provides (in order to make sure curtin and cloud-init knows how to talk back to the maas proper log/event endpoints). But I don't recall exactly how maas passes cloud-init user-data specifically (whether through curtin config or the maas datasource).
[17:43] <blackboxsw> ahh user-data for maas comes from the maas seed url. to the instance.
[17:47] <blackboxsw> so generally, if that user-data exposed to the instance is a supported cloud-init user-data format  (link above). Cloud-init should be able to properly interpret it. I see in the MAAS datasource, that cloud-init will attempt to decode the content of user-data url if present. It does expect user-data to be binary encoded content.
[17:47] <blackboxsw> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceMAAS.py#L22-L27
[17:48] <blackboxsw> sparkiegeek: not sure if that is what you were looking for as far as context
[17:50] <sparkiegeek> blackboxsw: thanks, that's plenty to chew over
[17:58] <blackboxsw> -/me merged ubuntSRU verification  branch https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/128 will adapt/iterate on the softlayer results.
[17:58] <blackboxsw> falcojr: I think I handled your initial review comments (and probably expect there may be a couple of extra things you run across in your GCE test run)
[18:06] <rharper> sparkiegeek: you may also be interested in the curtin handling of maas provided cloud-config, https://git.launchpad.net/curtin/tree/curtin/commands/curthooks.py#n1344
[19:29] <rharper> fun fact:  eoan, bionic, and xenial  never had the bug around swap: {size: auto};  as it was an regression introduced with the fix for fallocate, on Jan 23; 6603706eec1c39d9d591c8ffa0ef7171b74d84d6 ; it only regress focal;  blackboxsw  so, for SRU verification is it OK to only verify focal ?
[19:36] <blackboxsw> good pt. rharper yes focal only
[19:37] <blackboxsw> given we never introduced the bug in the first place.... thank goooodness for not SRUing for 6 months ;)
[19:37] <blackboxsw> ohh wait carry that cost forward :/
[19:38] <rharper> hehe
[19:39] <rharper> I spent too long trying to figure out why I couldn't recreate on eoan, thinking it was lxd vm related; turns out not a bug in 19.4-33
[20:18] <rharper> blackboxsw: https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/132/files
[20:19] <blackboxsw> on it rharper
[20:19] <rharper> you also mentioned, https://git.launchpad.net/cloud-init/commit/?id=723e2bc1  (nfs style paths) ;  is that still open/needed ?
[20:19] <blackboxsw> rharper: yep in the hidden trello board, still has your gravatar on it :)
[20:20] <blackboxsw> falcojr: you didn't grab the above commit for verification did you? ^
[20:21] <falcojr> blackboxsw rharper , no I have not grabbed that one
[20:31] <rharper> blackboxsw: falcojr: ok, I'll take that one next
[20:37] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: a followup change request on https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/122#pullrequestreview-436136291
[20:38] <blackboxsw> falcojr: you are on gce next for SRU verification right? and you don't plan on oracle?
[20:38] <blackboxsw> if not oracle , then I'll grab it (and re-find my credentials)
[20:39] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, ack
[20:39] <falcojr> blackboxsw yes, I'm doing GCE (should have it done soon)...I could jump or Oracle too
[20:40] <blackboxsw> falcojr: I'll wrap up SRU reviews and ping you to when I'm done to see where we are both at.
[20:41] <falcojr> sounds good
[20:52] <meena> Odd_Bloke: how do i take on one of those cloudinit/net refactor bugs?
[21:04] <meena> never mind, i'm too tired. lol
[21:35] <blackboxsw> heh meena, just assign yourself when intererested
[21:38] <blackboxsw> meena: Odd_Bloke was planning on filing bugs for each aspect of the net refactor and we can have devs assign themselves to each bug and mark it in progress
[21:38] <blackboxsw> as they carve out the items
[22:26] <blackboxsw> I'm on https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/133 falcojr for gce verification. minor request for comment on https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/129 to resolve and we can land that
[22:34] <falcojr> Sounds good
[22:40] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/131#discussion_r444497107 I'm not sure what you are asking. should I add the content of sru-vars.template to the verification output for softlayer ?
[22:40] <blackboxsw> or something else
[22:44] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, no no. It is just that in the other cloud providers tests we have the shellscript that generated the output on the report as well, like this for example https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/blob/master/manual/ec2-sru-20.2.45.txt#L1
[22:45] <blackboxsw> ahh ahh, I see. yes I will put that in there. an oversight thanks
[22:45] <blackboxsw> I thought you were specifically asking about including sru-vars.template content alone
[22:45] <blackboxsw> didn't realize I left it out
[22:45] <blackboxsw> all of it


[01:01] <bac> meeting time
[01:01] <bac> #startmeeting
[01:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:01. The chair is bac.
[01:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[01:01] <bac> thumper, mwhudson, StevenK: ping
[01:02] <bac> anyone?
[01:02] <mwhudson> hi
[01:02] <bac> hi michael
[01:02] <mwhudson> StevenK was here this time yesterday
[01:02] <mwhudson> maybe timezone confusion...
[01:02] <bac> for the meeting?
[01:03] <mwhudson> yeah
[01:03] <bac> ah, that's not good
[01:04] <bac> the whole thursday thing is more confusing for me but i figured it wouldn't confuse you all
[01:04] <bac> i see rockstar bailed about 30 minutes ago too
[01:05] <bac> well, mwhudson what say we cancel this week and try again next thursday?
[01:06] <bac> #endmeeting
[01:06] <mwhudson> bac: sure
[01:06] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:06.
[02:12] <thumper> ah
[02:12] <thumper> sorry
[02:12] <thumper> went for lunch


[02:30] <nhaines> Meeting coming up in half an hour! :)
[02:57] <nhaines> Who's around for the meeting tonight?
[03:00] <nhaines> Hmm, quiet tonight.  :)
[03:02] <nhaines> All right.  We'll keep it simple tonight.
[03:03] <nhaines> SCALE planning continues, although we've received little response for UbuCon speakers, so that is in question for this year.  Booth plans are unaffected, though!  More on that by the next meeting.
[03:03] <nhaines> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS is shaping up.  It should be a nice, solid release.
[03:04] <nhaines> I worked on an instructional video for Apress describing how to install Windows Subsystem for Linux and install Ubuntu, so hopefully that will be available soon.
[03:04] <nhaines> And I think that's about it.
[03:05] <nhaines> Our next meeting is January 19th, 2020!
[03:05] <nhaines> So as the year wraps up to a close, I'd like to wish everyone happy holidays, and a wonderful new year!
[05:34] <lynorian> nahines sorry did you get my submission


[00:30] <GrahamIRC> Hello!
[00:30] <GrahamIRC> Is it possible to update from 11.04 to 11.10?
[00:31] <GrahamIRC> Sorry new to Ubuntu but not Myth or Linux
[00:31] <GrahamIRC> also, does anyone know if there is HD Audio (TrueHD, DTS-HD MA) support in 11.10 or 11.04 ?
[08:24] <Vojta1> hi, I have a little problem with upgrading to Mythbuntu 11.10 - when I now start the system, it hangs at boot - it shows "Starting MySQL Server [OK]" and then it hangs. I tried to google it and it seeems that it should be some problem with lightdm, but I tried all suggested solutions and none helps. Anyone has an idea, how to fix it?
[09:33] <Vojta1> ok, now I tried to remove package lightdm and it booted successfully
[10:04] <GrahamIRC> Hello!
[10:04] <GrahamIRC> Is it possible to update from 11.04 to 11.10?
[10:05] <GrahamIRC> Just tried the 11.10 CD and the option to upgrade from 11.04 is greyed out
[14:57] <superm1> man it seems that these lightdm problems are a bit more prevalent than initially suspected
[14:57] <superm1> mrand, did you see them on your upgraded system?
[16:14] <Vojta1> superm1: and are you aware about any workaround on it? I actually restarted again and it is the same problem as before - removing lightdm didn't really solved this issue
[16:14] <Vojta1> superm1: I am still trying to find some solution which should work for me
[16:19] <ComradeHaz`> Anybody elses install broken since upgrading?
[16:19] <ComradeHaz`> Not Happy. :(
[17:22] <superm1> Vojta1, there is a workaround
[17:22] <superm1> ComradeHaz`, how is it broke for you
[17:22] <superm1> Vojta1, there is a forum post i made bout how to get around it
[17:23] <superm1> Vojta1, post #4 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1860270
[17:32] <Vojta1> superm1: yeah, that's it. that did it. thanks very much for your help
[17:32] <superm1> Vojta1, sure no problem.  would you mind filing and upgrade bug though?
[17:32] <superm1> # ubuntu-bug update-manager
[17:33] <superm1> that should hopefully get some of the logs in place so we can figure out why unity greeter was getting pickedi n the first place
[17:33] <superm1> i don't think anyone who has encountered this has filed one yet
[17:36] <Vojta1> superm1: hmm I can try. but never done before
[18:37] <mrand> superm1: only have a chance to skim the backlog at the moment... the user said they did a do-release-upgrade, but did they remember the --mode=desktop?  that might cause it.  Unfortunately all I had time to do was a fresh mythbuntu install (slave backend + frontend).
[19:49] <nordle> Evening all.  Just completed upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10.  Cannot get a desktop now.  segfault on unity-greeter.  So uninstalled it, reinstalled gdm and nvidia-current.  Got a desktop, yay.  Reboot and no desktop.  segfault in gdm-simple-slav.  Tried dpgk-reconfigure gdm and choosing lightdm.  That says plymouth-stop pre-start process (1498) terminated with status 1 .  It worked, for 1 boot, can no longer get a desktop.  Any suggestions would be gre
[19:49] <nordle> at, thanks.
[20:40] <mrand> nordle: I haven't had time to read the details, but there have been several discussions over the past day about something similar.  I don't see that any bugs have been opened on launchpad though.
[20:45] <nordle> mrand: In the end, I installed xubuntu-desktop and managed to get a login, this time remembering to click "save session" when logging out, this appears to have got me out of the hole I managed to dig :)
[20:46] <nordle> mrand: But the key was to remove unity-greeter really.
[20:47] <mrand> nordle: thanks for the info.    (superm1, see above)
[22:01] <test> Im not sure if this is the right place for me to go but I'm trying to restore a database after an update to mythtv but whenever I try the mythconverg_restore.pl command it says that "command not found"
[22:05] <qwebirc41142> I am doing of new install of 11.10, and I am having various problems, but the strangest one is when I exit the Frontend I get a message saying the Frontend has crashed and then the Frontend is restarted.  This doesn't happen every time, but it happens often.  Any idea why?
[23:11] <Jon___> Is there anyone here who would happen to know much about restoring databases in mythtv?


 Bom dia grupo este tendo problemas para editar meu fstab pata swp e sistema de arquivos ext4 da um erro no direito
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[16:17] <lyn||orian> https://github.com/galculator/galculator/issues/37
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[19:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 closed pull request #25: Start pules audio volume control and a page for chapter4 (master...master) https://git.io/vx3zI
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[21:00] <lyn||orian> yeah I want that ubiquity bug fixed as well but that is why I have been testing alternate only which does not use ubiquity
[21:00] <tsimonq2> Right.
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[17:15] <jose-phillips> Hi
[17:16] <jose-phillips> i have a question i already have fuel . but im thinking to switch to maas someone can explain me how openstack upgrades works in maas?
[17:21] <roaksoax> jose-phillips: maas is not tied to openstack itself. MAAS will, however, deploy the underlying hardware for you
[17:22] <roaksoax> jose-phillips: if you are to use juju, then juju would hande the openstack upgrade for you
[17:22] <jose-phillips> and then what is the difference between ubuntu openstack and juju ?
[17:22] <jose-phillips> juju is like a bootstrapper?
[17:22] <roaksoax> jose-phillips: juju is the modeling system
[17:23] <roaksoax> jose-phillips: juju models your infrastructure, and orchestrates it
[17:23] <roaksoax> jose-phillips: s/infrastructure/service
[17:23] <roaksoax> jose-phillips: you can use juju to model,deploy,manage ubuntu openstack
[17:26] <jose-phillips> got it
[20:54] <mup> Bug #1719015 opened: $TTL in zone definition is not updated <dns> <internal> <sts> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719015>
[21:00] <jamesbenson> jose-phillips: but juju can also orchestrate/deploy other services like k8s, etc.


[05:24] <Kilos> morning all
[07:01] <Kilos> ohi Frankko welcome to ubuntu-za
[07:01] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[08:13] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[08:39] <Kilos> modem steal for a while
[10:04] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[10:09] <Vince-0> Haaiu
[10:09] <Kilos> hey superfly i got ians 500G drive fixed and installed 12.04 kubuntu from the dvd i burned with k3b and i didnt get the black screen
[10:09] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[10:10] <Kilos> the desktop effects fault the sick install had
[10:10] <Kilos> same pc
[10:11] <superfly> Kilos: that's good news
[10:16] <Kilos> ya i wonder whats the diffs though? same iso
[10:17] <Kilos> but still dont see modem. sigh
[10:17] <Kilos> grrr
[11:11] <TaraLS> Yo.
[11:12] <TaraLS> Neither my tablet nor my printer/scanner works in Ubuntu
[11:12] <TaraLS> So I have to reinstall that other disgusting OS, Windows, alongside Ubuntu.
[11:12] <TaraLS> But apparently this will destroy the Grub or something?
[11:15] <Kilos> printer make and model?
[11:21] <TaraLS> My Printer is a Lexmark X8350
[11:21] <TaraLS> It's not compatible.
[11:21] <TaraLS> I've researched and researched
[11:21] <TaraLS> Short of looking up how to change something in Ubuntu's code
[11:21] <TaraLS> Which I'd rather not do. At least not on my own
[11:22] <Kilos>  Maaz google setting up a Lexmark X8350 on ubuntu 12.04
[11:22] <Maaz> Kilos: "HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/LexmarkPrinters - Ubuntu" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/LexmarkPrinters :: "PRINT HEAD » system-config-printer" http://cyberelk.net/tim/software/system-config-printer/ :: "Lexmark support questions and answers" http://www.helpowl.com/Lexmark/Questions :: "Gutenprint Printer Drivers"
[11:22] <Maaz> http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/
[11:22] <Kilos> try this one  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/LexmarkPrinters
[11:23] <Kilos> is it plugged in?
[11:23] <TaraLS> Not at the moment. I figured it was pointless since it doesn't actually work.
[11:23] <TaraLS> Ubuntu sees it, just like it sees my tablet, but it won't work.
[11:23] <Kilos> its just drivers needed
[11:24] <TaraLS> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=98347&p=254149#p254149
[11:24] <TaraLS> There are no Ubuntu drivers. Otherwise I would have got them.
[11:24] <TaraLS> brb
[11:29] <Kilos> ian also had probs with printer scanner thing but got it going after a pile of work
[11:42] <TaraLS> That site doesn't mention my printer
[11:42] <Kilos> ai
[11:43] <Kilos> must still be working on it
[11:43] <TaraLS> I tried printers via SAMBA too
[11:43] <TaraLS> And I dunno what URI means
[11:43] <Kilos> nor me
[11:43] <Kilos> russian name
[11:48] <Kilos> if 12.10 sees it when plugged in try simplescan. dunno if thats still in by default
[11:48] <superfly> Uniform Resource Indicator, similar to the Uniform Resource Location people use on a daily basis.
[11:49] <Kilos> ty superfly
[11:49] <TaraLS> Thanks supahflahhh.
[11:49] <TaraLS> What's simplescan?
[11:50] <TaraLS> This effort is for nought at present.
[11:51] <TaraLS> I need to use my tablet the most, and to do that, I need Windows.
[11:52] <Kilos> i used it for scanning with maverick
[11:52] <Kilos> didnt need any setting up just worked
[11:53] <TaraLS> Ah.
[11:53] <TaraLS> Well
[11:53] <TaraLS> How do I get it?
[11:53] <Kilos> sec
[11:53] <TaraLS> Because i tried printing from a firefox page, and it didn't even show that there were any issues, but it didn't go through either.
[11:53] <Kilos> Maaz, google simplescan for 12.10
[11:53] <Maaz> Kilos: "Simple scan not working after upgrading to 12.10 - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/205427/simple-scan-not-working-after-upgrading-to-12-10-xubuntu :: "UbuntuUpdates - Package "simple-scan" (quantal 12.10)" http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/simple-scan :: "“simple-scan” source package : Quantal (12.10) : Ubuntu"
[11:53] <Maaz> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/simple-scan :: "3.6.0-0ubuntu1 : simple-scan : i386 : Quantal (12.10) : Ubuntu" …
[11:53] <Kilos> might be in synaptic TaraLS
[11:54] <TaraLS> You realize this isn't gonna stop me from having to install Windows
[11:54] <Kilos> if its in synaptic install it from there and it will work
[11:54] <TaraLS> I've apparently got simple scan already.
[11:55] <Kilos> ok in dash type simple and it should show
[11:55] <Kilos> add =scan if not
[11:55] <Kilos> -scan
[11:56] <Kilos> oh and you can install windows in a virtual drive in ubuntu
[11:56] <TaraLS> No scanners detected
[11:56] <TaraLS> Even though it's plugged in and switched on
[11:56] <TaraLS> *shrug*
[11:56] <TaraLS> Okay, how do I install Windows in a virtual drive?
[11:56] <Kilos> whew
[11:57] <Kilos> Maaz, google setting up a virtual drive for windows in 12.10
[11:57] <Maaz> Kilos: "OS X Mountain Lion confirmed to support Fusion Drive on legacy Macs" http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/31/os-x-mountain-lion-offers-fusion-drive-support-on-legacy-macs :: "How to Run Ubuntu in Windows 8 Hyper-V Quickly - ServeTheHome" http://www.servethehome.com/run-ubuntu-windows-8-hyper-v-quickly/ :: "Installing Ubuntu inside Windows using
[11:57] <Maaz> VirtualBox" http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/virtualbox :: "How To Set Up Compiz In Xubuntu 12.10 O…
[11:57] <Kilos> oh my
[11:57] <TaraLS> Hm
[11:57] <Kilos> virtualbox
[11:57] <Kilos> in synaptic
[11:57] <TaraLS> Virtualbox - x86 virtualization solution - base binaries
[11:57] <TaraLS> That one?
[11:57] <superfly> yes
[11:58] <TaraLS> kk
[11:58] <TaraLS> Do I need to get any of the other packages related to it, or no?
[11:58] <TaraLS> Also, Kilos, I guess I'll need to delete the /spare folder I have so I have space for Windows, yes?
[11:58] <Kilos> doesnt it choose on its own
[11:58] <Kilos> no
[11:59] <Kilos> you got plenty space there methinks
[11:59] <TaraLS> Oyes. It did choose on its own
[11:59] <TaraLS> But I used all my space into separate folder/things for Ubuntu
[11:59] <TaraLS> I've got no free space left. Is that how that works?
[11:59] <Kilos> wow you filled 100 gig already
[11:59] <TaraLS> no
[12:00] <Kilos> i forget the sizes we made
[12:00] <TaraLS> I'm saying... The folders are used up for Ubuntu. Not full at all, but yeah...
[12:00] <Kilos> no prob
[12:00] <TaraLS> Okay.
[12:00] <Kilos> but if the virtualbox can install to /spare thats kiff
[12:00] <TaraLS> Well that's what I was meaning
[12:00] <Kilos> im not a virtual drive person
[12:00] <TaraLS> I'd need to install Windows to something that I'm currently using
[12:00] <TaraLS> For the space.
[12:01] <Kilos> try keep win off my pc
[12:01] <TaraLS> That doesn't instill confidence.
[12:01] <TaraLS> Yeah, well, I hate Windows, and I don't want more blue screens, but I need my tablet.
[12:01] <Kilos> well not many guys here at the moment
[12:01] <Kilos> install virtualbox wherever it wants to go to start with
[12:02] <TaraLS> "Go to start"?
[12:02] <TaraLS> It installed itself.
[12:02] <Kilos> some of the guys use virtualbox for trying out other systems in
[12:02] <Kilos> lol
[12:02] <Kilos> tell it ty
[12:02] <TaraLS> So would I be able to install drivers of things on virtual Windows?
[12:03] <TaraLS> Hm.
[12:03] <Kilos> i think that you now can install from the cds you have into there
[12:03] <TaraLS> Looks pretty self-explanatory.
[12:03] <TaraLS> Okay, I'ma try this.
[12:03] <TaraLS> brb.
[12:04] <TaraLS> I like virtualbox already
[12:04] <TaraLS> but
[12:04] <Kilos> wb what happened
[12:04] <TaraLS> It's asking for me to set the base amount of memory to be used for Windows
[12:04] <TaraLS> And it apparently is at least 592mb.
[12:04] <TaraLS> But I might need at least 1 gig because I'll be using Photoshop/graphics.
[12:04] <Kilos> thats fine
[12:05] <Kilos> you got 4 g to play with
[12:05] <TaraLS> Okay.
[12:05] <TaraLS> I just wanted to be sure it wouldn't tax Ubuntu or something
[12:05] <Kilos> its your pc that will get taxed not ubuntu
[12:05] <TaraLS> Like I said, just wanted to be sure.
[12:06] <Kilos> might run a bit slow there
[12:06] <TaraLS> Okay
[12:06] <Kilos> because its on OS running in another one
[12:06] <TaraLS> I can create a hard disk or use one already
[12:06] <TaraLS> I guess the use one already would be selecting /spare, right?
[12:06] <TaraLS> Yeah.
[12:06] <Kilos> create i think
[12:06] <TaraLS> It recommends 10 gigs
[12:06] <Kilos> it will be called C;
[12:06] <TaraLS> I don't have 10 spare gigs.
[12:06] <Kilos> thats good
[12:06] <Kilos> aw
[12:07] <TaraLS> Hm....
[12:07] <Kilos> does ubuntu say so
[12:07] <TaraLS> I'm saying so. BEcause I used all my gigs for these disks for Ubuntu
[12:07] <TaraLS> Which is why I asked if I should put it onto /spare
[12:07] <TaraLS> I think that's how it works
[12:07] <TaraLS> It's asking me to choose a file type
[12:07] <Kilos> lemme look at your photoshot of the setup
[12:07] <TaraLS> Virtualbox Disk Image?
[12:07] <TaraLS> Virtual Machine Disk
[12:07] <TaraLS> Virtual Hard Disk
[12:07] <TaraLS> Parallels Hard Disk
[12:07] <TaraLS> Okay.
[12:07] <Kilos> whew
[12:08] <Kilos> maybe superfly can help
[12:08] <TaraLS> K, I'll wait for Superfly.
[12:08] <Kilos> im lost unless i can see it in front of me
[12:08] <TaraLS> Well hang on
[12:08] <TaraLS> it says, above the options
[12:08] <Kilos> or any other guy that uses virtual machines
[12:09] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[12:09] <TaraLS> "Please choose the type of file that you would like to use for the new virtual disk. If you do not need to use it with other virtualization software you can leave this setting unchanges"
[12:09] <superfly> the defaults are fine
[12:09] <TaraLS> unchanged*
[12:09] <Kilos> k
[12:09] <TaraLS> So I can leave it on Virtual Disk Image?
[12:09] <Kilos> spose so
[12:09] <superfly> yes
[12:09] <TaraLS> Okay
[12:10] <TaraLS> And 'fixed size' or 'dynamically allocated'?
[12:10] <TaraLS> 'fixed size' sounds better, but it's automatically on dynamic
[12:10] <superfly> dynamically
[12:10] <TaraLS> ok
[12:10] <Kilos> no default?
[12:10] <Kilos> ah
[12:11] <TaraLS> File type:
[12:11] <TaraLS> VDI (VirtualBox Disk Image)
[12:11] <TaraLS> Details:
[12:11] <TaraLS> Dynamically allocated storage
[12:11] <TaraLS> Location:
[12:11] <TaraLS> /home/tara-lynn/VirtualBox VMs/Windows Alongside Ubuntu/Windows Alongside Ubuntu.vdi
[12:11] <TaraLS> Size:
[12:11] <TaraLS> 10.81 GB<PHONE_NUMBER>2 B)
[12:11] <TaraLS> o.O
[12:11] <TaraLS> How many lines consitutes spam?
[12:12] <TaraLS> And do I need my disc for this, or can I choose any OS? *wriggles fingers*
[12:13] <Kilos> 5
[12:13] <TaraLS> Whoops.
[12:13] <Kilos> um choose xp
[12:13] <TaraLS> I did already. I just thought it would be cool to try a newer one if I could
[12:13] <TaraLS> Maybe less problematic
[12:13] <Kilos> all your cds are for xp right
[12:14] <TaraLS> Yeah
[12:14] <TaraLS> Well
[12:14] <TaraLS> My installation disc is XP
[12:14] <TaraLS> My others are just Windows
[12:14] <Kilos> so they wont work on vista or 7
[12:14] <TaraLS> Not XP-specific
[12:14] <Kilos> ?
[12:14] <Kilos> ah
[12:14] <Kilos> use the os you are used to
[12:14] <Kilos> vista and 7 are hard work
[12:14] <TaraLS> They're not too bad
[12:14] <Kilos> and much slower that xp
[12:15] <TaraLS> But I'll keep it to icky, senile XP
[12:15] <Kilos> they eat resources
[12:15] <TaraLS> Um... Okay.
[12:15] <TaraLS> Let me see...
[12:15] <TaraLS> Well, I created it. It was... very quick. O.o
[12:15] <TaraLS> And I will try it now, but I'll sign out here first
[12:15] <TaraLS> So brb.
[12:20] <TaraLS> Never mind.  http://askubuntu.com/questions/217903/using-ubuntu-12-10-under-virtualbox-and-cannot-remove-black-panels-in-the-virtua :: "12.10 - VirtualBox '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' issue - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/205154/virtualbox-etc-init-d-vboxdrv-setup-issue :: "Error building main
[12:22] <Maaz> Guest Additions Module while installing ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/204098/error-…
[12:25] <Kilos> oh my
[12:25] <TaraLS> ?
[12:26] <Kilos> those links didnt help
[12:26] <TaraLS> I'm installing XP from disc as if it's a normal install, only it's on virtualbox.
[12:26] <TaraLS> lol I know
[12:36] <Kilos> ty for the guidance superfly
[12:37] <Kilos> hard work that other nick
[12:37] <Kilos> see you can never leave #ubuntu-za while i be still alive
[12:38] <Kilos> with my last breathe i will release you
[12:38] <Kilos> from the bondage
[12:38] <Kilos> hehe
[12:48] <Kilos> yo hubx
[12:49] <TaraLS> I quite like this virtualbox.
[12:50] <TaraLS> Firstly, my comp froze at 9% Windows setup (Comp had been on for about fourteen hours before that), so I just restarted and didn't open anything BUT virtualbox.
[12:50] <Kilos> good
[12:50] <TaraLS> Now, should I set up my little Virtual Windows to do windows updates, or no?
[12:50] <Kilos> just member if you go online with it you need antivirus and firewall
[12:50] <TaraLS> That was gonna be my next question, blah.
[12:50] <Kilos> forget windows updates
[12:50] <hubx> hi all
[12:50] <TaraLS> My comp always froze when I had Kaspersky up in Windows.
[12:50] <Kilos> avast antivirus
[12:51] <TaraLS> Hi hubx.
[12:51] <Kilos> and zonealarm
[12:51] <TaraLS> Avast. Okay.  Baha.
[12:53] <Kilos> lol
[12:54] <TaraLS> Except
[12:54] <TaraLS> The interwebs is not working on it for some reason
[12:55] <Kilos> might need setting up
[12:55] <TaraLS> I did that already.
[12:55] <Kilos> i dunno bout that
[12:55] <TaraLS> Maybe just disconnect the cable and reconnect
[12:55] <TaraLS> Sometimes that happens
[12:55] <Kilos> in xp?
[12:55] <Kilos> ?
[12:55] <TaraLS> Yes, I'm on xchat in Ubuntu
[12:56] <Kilos> i meant the xp settings
[12:56] <TaraLS> Yes, it's set up to see the webs
[12:56] <Kilos> of course ubuntu works
[12:56] <TaraLS> brb
[12:59] <magespawn> afternoon
[13:00] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[13:00] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[13:01] <magespawn> in virtualbox you have to tell which network connection it is supposed to use
[13:03] <Kilos> tell her please magespawn im lost with that
[13:03] <Kilos> would allow xp online to start with and wouldnt have xp on here anyway
[13:03] <magespawn> will see if I can find a link
[13:03] <Kilos> ty
[13:05] <magespawn> http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=1RIyoGZcZe8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1RIyoGZcZe8
[13:06] <Kilos> ty will pass that on
[13:06] <Kilos> wb TaraLS
[13:06] <TaraLS> Blah
[13:06] <Kilos> http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=1RIyoGZcZe8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1RIyoGZcZe8
[13:06] <TaraLS> Can't get internet to work in virtualbox windows
[13:06] <TaraLS> It even says that it's connected and firewalled
[13:06] <Kilos> magespawn, gave that link to help you
[13:06] <TaraLS> Instead of just restarting VX windows, I'll stop virtualbox
[13:06] <TaraLS> That's a youtube page.
[13:06] <TaraLS> Thanks magespawn.
[13:08] <magespawn> http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/15/installing-a-windows-xp-as-a-virtual-machine-on-virtualbox/
[13:08] <magespawn> the first one is a youtube video but the mobile site, cause i am onna tablet
[13:08] <magespawn> np yw
[13:09] <TaraLS> "Network connection in VirtualBox can be quite complex, no easy advice here. I can say it’s greatly improved in recent versions so if you are using older one then upgrade and try again.
[13:09] <TaraLS> Works for me with Windows host and Windows or Ubuntu guests and ethernet router."
[13:10] <TaraLS> That's all the guy says on that site.
[13:10] <TaraLS> "It's complex." Ooh. Helpful.
[13:10] <magespawn> bbl got to go put a window in
[13:10] <TaraLS> ok
[13:10] <Kilos> dont cut your fingers magespawn
[13:10] <magespawn> do a search for how to install win xp on virtualbox
[13:10] <TaraLS> It's installed, though.
[13:11] <TaraLS> And it recognizes that the internet is 'connected' and 'firewalled'
[13:11] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[13:11] <TaraLS> But it wont' work.
[13:11] <TaraLS> Hello Tonberry.
[13:11] <Tonberry> hallo
[13:12] <Kilos> Maaz, google xp on 12.10 virtualbox cant go online
[13:12] <Maaz> Kilos: "virtualbox.org • View topic - Ubuntu 12.10 "virtually" unusable" https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=51727 :: "[ubuntu] Virtualbox won't run in Ubuntu 12.10 - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2082194 :: "Newest 'virtualbox' Questions - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/virtualbox :: "VirtualBox 4.2.0
[13:12] <Maaz> Released With Support For Drag'n'drop From Host ..." http://www.webupd8.org/2012/09/virtual…
[13:12] <Kilos> sigh
[13:13] <TaraLS> Nothing ever goes smoothly.
[13:15] <Kilos> ya murphy
[13:15] <Kilos> Maaz, murphys law
[13:15] <Maaz> If something can give trouble, rest assured, it will
[13:17] <TaraLS> Ah...
[13:17] <TaraLS> In 'settings' on virtual box, before going into Windows XP, I selected the XP system and went to 'network'
[13:17] <TaraLS> "Enable Network Adapter" attached to:
[13:18] <Kilos> yay
[13:18] <TaraLS> Not attached, NAT, Bridged Adapter, Internal Network, Host-only Adapter, Generic Driver
[13:18] <TaraLS> which one should I select?
[13:19] <Kilos> not sure
[13:19] <TaraLS> I'll just try one at a time, I guess.
[13:19] <Kilos> nat i think
[13:19] <TaraLS> It's already on nAT
[13:19] <Kilos> try internal then
[13:19] <Kilos> or try one at a time as you said
[13:19] <superfly> TaraLS: use bridged
[13:20] <TaraLS> I was thinking bridged...
[13:20] <TaraLS> One moment
[13:21] <TaraLS> Yay it ACTUALLY works.
[13:21] <TaraLS> Kilos, just go to avast.com or another site?
[13:22] <Kilos> go to there
[13:22] <Kilos> they should give their options
[13:23] <Kilos> you want the free one
[13:23] <TaraLS> Yes
[13:24] <Kilos> http://www.avast.com/free-antivirus-download
[13:25] <TaraLS> lolololololololol
[13:25] <Kilos> what?
[13:25] <TaraLS> "Internet explorer cannot open the site avast etc etc..."
 :D
[14:18] <magespawn> the usb has to be enabled for the virtual machine i think same as the network, setting is somewhere
[14:18] <TaraLS> Okay
[14:19] <Kilos> and snakes eat dozens of eggs every week
[14:19] <Kilos> and kill the odd sheep that gets inna way
[14:19] <Kilos> and spit inna dogs eyes
[14:20] <Tonberry> you usually also need to be in the vboxusers group to use usb pass through
[14:20] <TaraLS> What's 'usb pass through'?
[14:22] <TaraLS> Oh
[14:23] <TaraLS> My VB XP says that I haven't got Base System Device or Video Controller (VGA)
[14:23] <TaraLS> They have question marks over them in the device manager
[14:24] <TaraLS> Says that the USB are enabled.
[14:26] <magespawn> the question marks mean the windows does not have drivers for those devices
[14:27] <TaraLS> On this forum, one person suggests that Guest Additions will help. Hm.
[14:32] <TaraLS> Ugh, this isn't worth it.
[14:32] <TaraLS> So sick of computer hassles. I just want to throw it through a wall.
[14:32] <magespawn> hah
[14:33] <TaraLS> :(
[14:33] <magespawn> there is an extension of murphy's law, murphy's computer law
[14:34]  * TaraLS pulls hair out.
[14:34] <magespawn> if something can go wrong it will, and nothing can go wrong like a computer
[14:34] <TaraLS> More like "Everything that can go wrong will. Everything. Even stuff that shouldn't."
[14:35] <Kilos> you sukkeling with what now?
[14:35] <TaraLS> I sukkel with everything computer-related these days.
[14:36] <Kilos> if you put the xp cd in and add/remove isnt there more relevant stuff you havent installed
[14:36] <Kilos> control panel add/remove
[14:37] <TaraLS> I said nothing about not having add/remove, what.
[14:37] <TaraLS> I have add/remove.
[14:38] <TaraLS> I'm apparently missing Video Controller (VGA) and Base System Device
[14:39] <magespawn> you'll need to get drivers from manufaturers website
[14:39] <Kilos> so put the cd in and see if its available on the cd
[14:39] <TaraLS> I tried the CD. And nope.
[14:39] <Kilos> must be vga or svga on the cd
[14:39] <TaraLS> I don't even know what 'base system drivers' means
[14:39] <TaraLS> So I dunno what website to go to
[14:39] <Kilos> how else does it work with an xp install
[14:40] <TaraLS> This is a virtual XP install
[14:40] <TaraLS> Typically, I don't have these driver issues when it's a proper install
[14:40] <Kilos> ya but xp is xp so it should still see what hardware is in the pc
[14:42] <TaraLS> If that's the case, then why did magespawn say that I'd need to enable the USB? They should already be enabled, since XP is XP, and it still should see what hardware is in the pc.
[14:42] <Tonberry> you want to print from virtualbox with a usb printer?
[14:42] <magespawn> the base system drivers are usually the intel/other make of motheboard chipset on the board
[14:42] <TaraLS> tonberry: I have to. It doesn't work in Ubuntu.
[14:43] <TaraLS> tonberry: I was just gonna reinstall windows properly, alongside Ubuntu, and then fix the grub or whatever, but Kilos suggested using virtualbox
[14:43] <Tonberry> i see
[14:43] <magespawn> i meant enable them in the virtual box, that allows the xp to communicate through the virtual box to the ubuntu
[14:43] <Tonberry> has the pc stopped crashing yet?
[14:43] <magespawn> lexmark printer Tonberry
[14:44] <magespawn> no linux drivers
[14:44] <TaraLS> magespawn: Oh?... I... have no idea. Is that possible?
[14:44] <Tonberry> i think my mother actually has a ubuntu friendly lexmark
[14:44] <Tonberry> but printers are pretty hit and miss
[14:44] <Tonberry> in my experience
[14:44] <magespawn> Kilos did you think of trying Wine rather than VirtualBox?
[14:45] <TaraLS> Yeah. My printer is like the only one of one hundred million that doesn't work with Ubuntu. Go freaking figure.
[14:45] <Tonberry> wine for a printer driver?
[14:45] <mazal> Afternoon all
[14:45] <Kilos> ai ive had horrble crashes with wine
[14:45] <TaraLS> Hello mazal
[14:45] <TaraLS> Tonberry: Computer still freezes
[14:45] <magespawn> TaraLS: i think so somewhere in the virtual box settings for that machine
[14:45] <Kilos> but its worth a try seeing as she not paying 3g data prices
[14:45] <magespawn> just a thought
[14:46] <magespawn> TaraLS: so it has to be hardware then
[14:46] <Kilos> maybe 12.10's wine is more advanced
[14:46] <Tonberry> drivers in wine are near impossible
[14:46] <TaraLS> ...
[14:46] <TaraLS> I give up.
[14:46] <TaraLS> There, the computer defeated me.
[14:46] <TaraLS> I don't want to deal with it anymore.
[14:46] <TaraLS> Thanks for your help, guys.
[14:46] <Tonberry> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/USB
[14:46] <Tonberry> now i must go
[14:47] <Kilos> ty Tonberry
[14:48] <TaraLS> Thanks, Tonberry.
[14:53] <magespawn> so much for the stubborn part
[14:53] <magespawn> lol
[14:54] <Kilos> lol
[14:54] <Kilos> its like 2am there
[14:55] <magespawn> i feel so used does not even stick around for conversation
[14:55] <magespawn> lol
[14:55] <Kilos> hehe
[14:56] <magespawn> does ahe work Kilos?
[14:56] <Kilos> nope she does freelance art from home
[14:57] <magespawn> ahh
[14:57] <magespawn> what kind of art?
[14:57] <Kilos> and looks after debs whos really struggling with AS
[14:57] <Kilos> devian
[14:57] <Kilos> whatever that is
[14:57] <magespawn> debs? AS?
[14:57] <Kilos> and does drawings fo peeps um
[14:57] <magespawn> ahh right got it
[14:57] <Kilos> them faces?
[14:58] <Kilos> debbie her mom and AS ankylosing spondilitus
[14:58] <Kilos> avatars
[14:58] <magespawn> ahh
[14:59]  * magespawn 's light bulb comes on
[14:59] <Kilos> and the pc trouble has killed her ability to draw
[14:59] <Kilos> lol
[15:00] <Kilos> debs hasnt been able to work for 7 or 8 weeks now
[15:00] <Kilos> struggling some
[15:00] <magespawn> now i understand the drive to get it fixed
[15:00] <Kilos> ya
[15:00] <Kilos> and the frustration when things dont work
[15:01] <Kilos> throws toys outa cot
[15:03] <Kilos> also used to mom being there to do things now shoes on other foot
[15:03] <Kilos> i try find you a link to her disease
[15:03] <Kilos> its terrible
[15:04] <mazal> What can cause ubuntu to refuse to shutdown ?
[15:04] <magespawn> found one already Kilos
[15:05] <Kilos> http://thefacesofankylosingspondylitis.com/a-s-face-0691-debra/
[15:05] <Kilos> she just joined this group
[15:05] <Kilos> sudo reboot
[15:05] <Kilos> hi mazal
[15:05] <mazal> Lo oom Kilos
[15:06] <Kilos> sudo reboot should work mazal
[15:06] <mazal> My ubuntu starts to shutdown , shows the splash screen with the dots , then just hangs there
[15:06] <Kilos> oh my
[15:06] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall upstart
[15:07] <Kilos> i think that was it
[15:07] <mazal> It never had a problem , just suddenly started
[15:07] <Kilos> some bug krept in
[15:08] <Kilos> crept
[15:08] <mazal> And only changes that was made was xchat-gnome gone and xchat installed
[15:08] <mazal> And the normal updates of course
[15:08] <Kilos> something from the net
[15:09] <Kilos> dont ask the fly or pro they will say thats why they used kubuntu
[15:09] <Kilos> and they dont have those probs
[15:09] <Kilos> hehe
[15:09] <magespawn> and error's mazal?
[15:09] <mazal> I am so tyred of bugs in oses
[15:09] <mazal> It doesn't show anything magespawn , just the splash screen and hangs
[15:10] <magespawn> hmmm
[15:10] <mazal> I can't remember how to get the terminal screen while shutting down to see at which point is hangs
[15:10] <Kilos> try renstall upstart mazal
[15:11] <timkeller> Good weekend peeps
[15:11] <Kilos> i had a prob once and upstart fixed it
[15:11] <Kilos> hi timkeller
[15:11] <magespawn> hey timkeller
[15:11] <timkeller> 'ello
[15:12] <Kilos> faulty h there
[15:12] <Kilos> hehe
[15:13] <mazal> Ok re-installed that. Will see what happens when I shutdown
[15:14] <Kilos> Maaz, google 12.04 hangs on shutdown
[15:14] <Maaz> Kilos: "nvidia - 12.04 hangs on shutdown/reboot - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/131525/12-04-hangs-on-shutdown-reboot :: "Ubuntu 12.04 hangs on shutdown and restart - Launchpad.net" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1002429 :: "Ubuntu 12.04 hangs on shutdown - Launchpad Answers" https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+question/195220 :: "Bug
[15:14] <Maaz> #1010045 “12.04 hangs on shutdown deconfiguring network ..." https://bugs.launchpad.net…
[15:14] <Kilos> there been some bugs looks like
[15:14] <Kilos> but weird afte so long
[15:14] <Kilos> after
[15:15] <Kilos> hey magespawn i got a very sick pc to sort out
[15:16] <Kilos> ecs mb
[15:16] <magespawn> okay what's wrong with it?
[15:16] <Kilos> works half way through an install then hangs
[15:16] <Kilos> next try screen flashes on and off
[15:16] <Kilos> and lotsa weird things happen
[15:17] <magespawn> have you taken it apart yet?
[15:17] <Kilos> i took the drive to my other pc and bios said i had changed my cpu and needed to do settings
[15:17] <Kilos> yip added 1g ddr2
[15:17] <Kilos> and removed the 512m
[15:18] <Kilos> was a bit better
[15:18] <magespawn> do you have an external dock for testing hard drives?
[15:18] <Kilos> then when it got hot it flashed screen on and off
[15:18] <magespawn> xp?
[15:18] <Kilos> nope
[15:18] <Kilos> kde
[15:18] <magespawn> hmm
[15:18] <Kilos> methinks cpu
[15:19] <Kilos> or psu on the outside
[15:19] <Kilos> onboard graphics
[15:19] <magespawn> or motheboard, but check the cpu remove clean and reseat, with new thermal paste
[15:19] <Kilos> cant install any ms product at all
[15:20] <magespawn> remove any added cards etc
[15:20] <Kilos> will try that
[15:20] <magespawn> try it using only the one drive and no cd rom or anything else
[15:20] <Kilos> its ians and when he was using kde to clean other peeps virii of their drives it crashed his pc
[15:20] <Kilos> maybe bios corrupt too
[15:21] <mazal> wbb
[15:21] <magespawn> ide1  or sata drives?
[15:21] <Kilos> even though i had battery out and set to defaults again
[15:21] <Kilos> all drives give probs
[15:21] <Kilos> ive tried lotsa stuff
[15:21] <Kilos> if i was cleverer id flash the bios to start with
[15:22] <magespawn> sounds like one those that is going to take awhile
[15:22] <magespawn> can be done
[15:22] <Kilos> lol yeah been 3 days already
[15:22] <Kilos> now i parked it aside
[15:22] <Kilos> im scared of the flashing
[15:22] <magespawn> check the mb for any visual signs of damage
[15:23] <Kilos> need new bios on stiffy first
[15:23] <magespawn> only flash as last option
[15:23] <Kilos> yeah i bang that
[15:23] <Kilos> but if crashed while cleaning other drives
[15:24] <Kilos> so it musta been a clever virus that sneaked past clamav
[15:24] <magespawn> have you tried memtest?
[15:24] <magespawn> that does happen sometimes
[15:24] <Kilos> its got a new 1g ddr2 i had for that mb you sentr me cpu for
[15:25] <magespawn> maybe swop the slots
[15:25] <Kilos> i have
[15:25] <Kilos> 3 times
[15:25] <Kilos> hehe
[15:25] <magespawn> there are utilities that also test the harddrives and other components
[15:26] <Kilos> tried an xp install and it keeps saying cant find this or that file so its not copying properly to mb
[15:26] <Kilos> i have the drive running on my other pc now with kde
[15:26] <Kilos> runs fine
[15:26] <magespawn> maybe try a graphics card if it does  not have one
[15:27] <Kilos> dont have one it hasnt got a normal slot
[15:27] <Kilos> some express thing needed
[15:27] <magespawn> i have used multiple xp cd-roms with a single install before
[15:27] <Kilos> lol i tried 3 as well
[15:28] <Kilos> sounds weird hey
[15:28] <magespawn> hah sounds  more and more like the mb
[15:28] <Kilos> i have 2 oem cds and one that doesnt ask to go activate winsucks after 2 weeks or something
[15:28] <Kilos> yip something there
[15:29] <Kilos> bios cpu or some thing
[15:29] <Kilos> weird
[15:29] <Kilos> and it was a lekker fast pc with only 512m ram
[15:30] <Kilos> now it be siiiick
[15:30] <Kilos> wb mazal
[15:30] <Kilos> fixed?
[15:30] <mazal> It rebooted when I said shutdown
[15:30] <Kilos> lol
[15:31] <Kilos> something corrupt
[15:31] <Kilos> or its not set for english so didnt understand
[15:31] <mazal> Gonna try the shutdown -n now next time
[15:32] <Kilos> but it didnt hang
[15:32] <mazal> No it didn't hang
[15:32] <Kilos> oh i had it once where pc kept rebooting
[15:32] <Kilos> hmmm
[15:33] <Kilos> i think upstart fixed that too
[15:33] <Kilos> have you tried recovery mode in grub boot menu
[15:33] <Kilos> or fsck
[15:33] <Kilos> sudo touch /forcefsck
[15:33]  * mazal writes command down
[15:34] <Kilos> you enter it now and it will fsck on booting
[15:38] <mazal> I wonder if one can set it to fsck on every say 5 boots
[15:38] <mazal> I know ubuntu does it on every 30 or so
[15:38] <mazal> Can that value be changed ?
[15:39] <Kilos> just used touch when you need it
[15:39] <Kilos> or recovery in grub menu
[15:43] <magespawn> there is probable a setting some where to control that
[15:45] <magespawn> here you go http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=300477
[15:51] <magespawn> lok like there are options there, and a script as well
[15:51] <mazal> Nice read , thanx magespawn
[15:51] <magespawn> yw
[15:51] <magespawn> good for me too
[15:51] <mazal> Kilos , that command you gave me , does it check only the / filesystem , or all partitions ?
[15:52] <Kilos> lol i dunno
[15:52] <Kilos> i just know it fixes things
[15:59] <Kilos> haha magespawn i just woke up
[15:59] <Kilos> couldnt figure why kde doesnt show screensavers
[15:59] <Kilos> they not installed hey?
[16:00] <Kilos> Maaz, have you looked at man fsck
[16:00] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[16:00] <Kilos> mazal,
[16:01] <magespawn> yup Kilos only blank screen installed
[16:04] <mazal> Nope Kilos
[16:04] <mazal> Sjoe I like learning new things , but to remember the commands , oi
[16:06] <mazal> man pages are greek to me
[16:06] <Kilos> aw you like me
[16:06] <mazal> I need examples :P
[16:06] <Kilos> fsck can do great things if you can work the command out
[16:06] <Kilos> i need pictures
[16:06] <Kilos> hehe
[16:07] <mazal> From examples I can figure commands out
[16:07] <magespawn> Kilos have you tried Evernote?
[16:07] <Kilos> then work out that fsck one to check what you want it to
[16:07] <Kilos> whats that magespawn
[16:08] <magespawn> thing to take note with, but stored locally and on the net
[16:08] <magespawn> i use it to clip web links
[16:09] <mazal> So it stores locally and syncs to a server ?
[16:09] <mazal> Kinda like xmarks for firefox ?
[16:10] <Kilos> i make lotsa files and folder onna desktop with all commands and things you guys work out for me magespawn
[16:11] <Kilos> since ian was here its got full
[16:11] <Kilos> need a desktop clean when things work again
[16:13] <magespawn> something like that has firefox addon too, i like it cause of the sync between devices
[16:15] <magespawn> bbl dinnertime
[16:16] <Kilos> enjoy
[16:17] <mazal> Gaan bk sport kyk
[16:30] <TaraLS> Hello everyone.
[16:54] <AndChat|15225> ,
[17:22] <magespawn> evening all
[17:23] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[17:23] <superfly> evening
[17:23] <Kilos> hi psydroid and others
[17:23]  * superfly managed to survive the parentals
[17:23] <Kilos> lol
[17:23] <Kilos> whose parents superfly ?
[17:23] <superfly> mine
[17:24] <Kilos> aw your own are the best
[17:24] <superfly> the old grump was grumpy as ever
[17:24] <Kilos> lol
[17:24] <superfly> wish mom was able to come alone
[17:24] <magespawn> very productive day, tiled the laundry 95% and fixed a windows, re-puttied thenrest
[17:24] <superfly> Kilos: no, my in-laws are the best
[17:24] <Kilos> needs to join our community
[17:24] <superfly> magespawn: nice!
[17:24] <TaraLS> Ooh, superfly.
[17:24] <TaraLS> Hallo.
[17:24] <superfly> hi, for a moment... sounds like I'm needed downstairs
[17:24] <magespawn> in-laws coming in two weeks
[17:24] <TaraLS> Nooo
[17:24] <TaraLS> Go away people who need superfly in real life.
[17:25] <Kilos> mother inlaws normally dont think you good enough for their daughters
[17:25] <TaraLS> lol
[17:26] <Kilos> kiddo paste it
[17:26] <magespawn> ahh well compared to the others in family i am the man with big s on his chest
[17:26] <Kilos> then everyone can try
[17:26] <Kilos> slexy.org
[17:26] <Kilos> ha nha magespawn
[17:26] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[17:26] <magespawn> TaraLS: Kilos said you do freelance art?
[17:26] <Squirm> evening
[17:27] <magespawn> hey Squirm
[17:27] <TaraLS> magespawn: I do.
[17:27] <TaraLS> lol, I wrote magesquirm initially.
[17:27] <TaraLS> squirm: *wave*
[17:27] <psydroid> hi Kilos superfly magespawn TaraLS and the rest of the gang
[17:27] <psydroid> and Squirm in particular
[17:27] <magespawn> what type?
[17:27] <Kilos> TaraLS, type first 3 letters of nick and hit tab
[17:28] <TaraLS> I know.
[17:28] <Squirm> hello psydroid
[17:28] <TaraLS> magespawn: Depends. 'Realistic' portraits, or anime/cartoon
[17:28] <Squirm> and magespawn
[17:28] <Squirm> and Kilos
[17:28] <Squirm> and TaraLS
[17:28] <TaraLS> psydroid, Yo. :)
[17:28] <magespawn> hey psydroid
[17:29] <magespawn> examples? can we have a look? online portfolio?
[17:29] <Kilos> you never looked yet magespawn ?
[17:29] <magespawn> do not think so
[17:29] <Kilos> that kriceverta thing
[17:30] <Kilos> nuvolari, did and ended by porn stuff
[17:30] <Kilos> you gotta get direct links
[17:30] <Kilos> oh
[17:31] <TaraLS> Hahaha
[17:31] <TaraLS> Ehem.
[17:31] <TaraLS> http://kaiverta.deviantart.com
[17:31] <magespawn> ahh so thats what Kilos meant by devian art
[17:31] <magespawn> lol
[17:31] <Kilos> ya
[17:31] <Kilos> lol
[17:31] <Squirm> putting my batter in the freezer to try and fix it may have been a bad idea
[17:31] <Kilos> i forget
[17:32] <Squirm> s/batter/battery
[17:32] <magespawn> Squirm: battery for what?
[17:32] <Squirm> my blackberry
[17:32] <Kilos> only thing the freezer does is make it very cold
[17:33] <Squirm> one of these tails that it's meant to reset the batteries memory or something
[17:33] <Squirm> tales*
[17:34] <Kilos> magespawn, that pc has a pci express slot for the graphics card methinks
[17:34] <Kilos> no vga slot
[17:34] <Kilos> used to be old wives tales. no young twits tales
[17:35] <Squirm> Kilos: battery died when it wasn't empty. so it's worth a shot
[17:35] <magespawn> only old style batteries get memory
[17:35]  * Squirm shrugs
[17:36] <Kilos> lol
[17:36] <magespawn> TaraLS: you doing this on a pc? software? wacom tablet?
[17:36] <TaraLS> Wacom... I wish. Then my tablet would work with Ubuntu.
[17:37] <Kilos> aw there is wacom software in repos
[17:37] <Kilos> she would have another one hey
[17:37] <TaraLS> I draw them first with pencil on paper, then I scan it in, and then I colour it with my Genius tablet on Photoshop
[17:37] <TaraLS> Or... did.
[17:37] <superfly> TaraLS: my wife and my two sons might not like that...
[17:37] <TaraLS> superfly: what?
[17:37] <Kilos> lol
 Nooo
 Go away people who need superfly in real life.
[17:37] <TaraLS> Oh. I thowwy.
[17:37] <TaraLS> I didn't mean it, really.
[17:38]  * superfly disappears back downstairs...
[17:38] <TaraLS> Not -reaaally-.
[17:38] <TaraLS> D'oh.
[17:38] <superfly> TaraLS: no worries, I get it
[17:38] <superfly> :-)
[17:38] <Squirm> Richelieu is always tasty :)
[17:39] <magespawn> TaraLS: are wacom tablets expensive?
[17:39] <TaraLS> Sadly, yes.
[17:39] <magespawn> in oz?
[17:39] <TaraLS> But I JUST got this tablet a month ago for my birthday.
[17:39] <TaraLS> And I can't afford to get another one just so it works with one OS.
[17:41] <magespawn> i found some other ones here that are supposed to work with ubuntu and were half the price of the wacom
[17:41] <Kilos> TaraLS, ask their forums whats the chance of getting linux drivers soon
[17:41] <magespawn> will tell you the name when i remember
[17:41] <TaraLS> I'm not buying another tablet, though I appreciate that.
[17:42] <TaraLS> kilos: I've seen in other forums that people will "just have to wait".
[17:42] <Kilos> ah
[17:42] <Kilos> well it will come
[17:42] <Kilos> so more hard hand work till then
[17:43] <Kilos> but you gotta see your printer scanner first as well
[17:43] <Kilos> sigh
[17:43] <magespawn> i have played around with gimp and inkscape a bit, i like both of those
[17:49] <magtie> Hi Kilos  Everyone
[17:50] <Kilos> hi magtie
[17:51] <Kilos> oh magespawn tell me
[17:52] <Kilos> TaraLS, has two massive partitions formatted to ext4 as /storage and /spare
[17:52] <TaraLS> Stupid GIMP
[17:52] <TaraLS> My tools bar and the other one are gone
[17:52] <Kilos> can she format one to fat or ntfs and install xp to there?
[17:52] <Kilos> should work i think
[17:53] <Kilos> might mess up the boot sector some but boot repair should sort it hey?
[17:54] <TaraLS> Sites suggest installing Windows before Ubuntu BECAUSE it messes up something in ubuntu boot
[17:54] <TaraLS> One sight said it was the Grub that needed to be fixed
[17:54] <Kilos> maybe i must try a virtual box here
[17:54] <TaraLS> Whatever the heck the grub is.
[17:54] <TaraLS> Try virtual box for what?
[17:54] <Kilos> grub is your boot loader
[17:54] <Kilos> to see if i can get xp working
[17:55] <TaraLS> XP is working on Virtual Box
[17:55] <TaraLS> It's just missing those two thingies.
[17:55] <TaraLS> I don't want to deal with it anymoooore.
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <Kilos> does it need those 2 thingies to work your printer?
[17:56] <Kilos> and tablet
[17:56]  * mazal peeks back in
[17:56] <Kilos> yo mazal
[17:56] <Kilos> wie loer kry niks
[17:57] <TaraLS> Yes, I guess it does.
[17:57] <TaraLS> But I don't know how to make them work.
[17:57] <TaraLS> :|
[17:57] <TaraLS> Sigh.
[17:57] <TaraLS> My resolve is not so impressive anymore, superfly.
[17:57] <Kilos> i have a windows xp world exclusive optimization toolkit cd here
[17:57] <TaraLS> So?
[17:58] <TaraLS> And how did someone who hates Windows get something as useful-sounding as that?
[17:58] <Kilos> lol
[17:58] <Kilos> its who you know
[17:58] <mazal> It's a boot-build-in format c: - install-linux cd
[17:59] <Kilos> mazal, ?
[18:00] <mazal> There's only 1 way to optimize windoze , format c: , install linux :)
[18:00] <TaraLS> I see.
[18:00] <TaraLS> So hey, here's a riddle/not.
[18:00] <Kilos> haha
[18:01] <Kilos> tara wassup your gimp?
[18:01] <mazal> Reminds me of an intern we had. He knew only 2 fixes to every problem. Reboot , if that don't work , format
[18:01] <magespawn> if you do install windows after ubuntu there is grub work in your future
[18:01] <TaraLS> My Windows crashed on a fatal blue screen, and I couldn't get into it to retrieve my files. So, I ran Ubuntu and managed to get my files THROUGH Ubuntu and saved them (two docs) to a flash drive. Now, all the other images/docs/etc on the flash drive were saved when Windows was still up and operating. But these two were taken from Windows in its crashed state. They have these little ~$- in their file names and the text is
[18:01] <TaraLS>  'encoded'. Hoooow do I encode?
[18:01] <Kilos> thats the right way with winsucks mazal
[18:02] <TaraLS> Er. decode*
[18:03] <Kilos> you must catch magespawn  when on pc
[18:03] <Kilos> he on fone thingie now
[18:03] <mazal> To my knowledge ~$ is temporary files and not the actual main file
[18:03] <Kilos> TaraLS, did you try rename them
[18:04] <TaraLS> NooOoOoOoO
[18:04] <TaraLS> *sniffle*
[18:04] <magespawn> usually if it is a word file etc, the program that made the file can sometimes recover it
[18:04] <Kilos> and remove that ~$
[18:04] <TaraLS> Oh.
[18:04] <TaraLS> I tried removing the ~&
[18:04] <TaraLS> $
[18:04] <TaraLS> It did squat
[18:04] <Kilos> eish
[18:04] <magespawn> thats just the name, does not change the file
[18:05] <magespawn> what files are they?
[18:05] <TaraLS> But the program that made it was Microsoft Word 2002
[18:05] <TaraLS> They're word documents
[18:05] <TaraLS> made them*
[18:05] <magespawn> try open office or libre office?
[18:05] <TaraLS> Haven't tried open office yet
[18:05] <TaraLS> But libre office doesn't open them
[18:05] <TaraLS> I get weird characters: ####################
[18:06] <Kilos> nothing in libreoffice can see whats actually there magespawn
[18:06] <magespawn> maybe a plain text editor like gedit
[18:06] <Kilos> i tried gedit
[18:07] <Kilos> wants to go look for stuff to open it and then says there aint niks
[18:07] <Kilos> here is the closest i got
[18:07] <Kilos>  #Tara-Lynn Sharrock#####################################T#a#r#a#-#L#y#n#n# #S#h#a#r#r#o#c#k###DM�2#��#####�###################���##############��#���#\�L3########
[18:08] <magespawn> send me a link to files when i come online tomrrow, i will see what i can do
[18:08] <Kilos> funny the name not corrupted as well
[18:08] <magespawn> will be about 10:00 sa time
[18:08] <TaraLS> A link to files?
[18:08] <magespawn> or mail me the files if they not too big
[18:09] <TaraLS> It says that they're only bytes. :(
[18:09] <magespawn> the ones you cannot open
[18:09] <Kilos> 162k
[18:09] <Kilos> tiny
[18:09] <TaraLS> But they should have about 45 pages.
[18:09] <TaraLS> What do you mean 'a link'?
[18:09] <TaraLS> Upload them somewhere?
[18:09] <TaraLS> I'd rather email them directly.
[18:09] <magespawn> if you want, but they are small so email should be fine
[18:10] <magespawn> do you not use dropbox, ubuntuone or a similar service?
[18:10] <TaraLS> I have ubuntuone
[18:10] <TaraLS> I just don't want to share them with the whole interwebs world
[18:10] <TaraLS> Ubuntuone is safe, yes?
[18:11] <magespawn> you could also try to open them in google docs
[18:11] <TaraLS> I tried that.
[18:12] <magespawn> brb
[18:14] <TaraLS> kk
[18:14] <magespawn> eamesgreg at gmail dot com
[18:16] <magespawn> hey Kilos you have not said anything about tomorrows meeting
[18:19] <TaraLS> Okay, I sent them. If you have time, please confirm that you got them? Don't need to actually try work with them at present
[18:19] <Kilos> oh my
[18:20] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Monthly meeting tomorrow night at 19.30 guys and gals. BE HERE
[18:20] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Monthly meeting tomorrow night at 19.30 guys and gals. BE HERE
[18:20] <magespawn> okay brb
[18:20] <zeref> oh dear, seems like the www.varistycollege.co.za was haXed
[18:22] <magespawn> TaraLS: i will look in the morning i have two step auth turned on, so cannot log in with the tablet mail client
[18:22] <TaraLS> Okay no worries
[18:24] <magespawn> Maaz is www.varsitycolleg.co.za up?
[18:24] <magespawn> cannot spell or type
[18:24] <mazal> hehehe
[18:25] <magespawn> what is that command again? to get Maaz to check a site?
[18:25] <magespawn> Maaz help
[18:25] <Maaz> magespawn: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[18:25] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[18:25] <Kilos> magespawn, it is webchat.freenode.net for those who can manage xchat hey?
[18:26] <Kilos> cant
[18:26] <magespawn> browser based chat yup
[18:26] <magespawn> Maaz help with sites
[18:26] <Maaz> magespawn: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[18:26] <mazal> Maaz help me with decisions
[18:26] <Maaz> mazal: I use the following features for decisions: choose and poll
[18:26] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[18:27] <magespawn> Maaz help me with sites
[18:27] <Maaz> magespawn: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[18:27] <Kilos> i did tweet it yesterday but didnt add agenda links etc
[18:27] <Kilos> Maaz, ping www.varsitycolleg.co.za
[18:27] <Maaz> Kilos: Error: unknown host www.varsitycolleg.co.za
[18:27] <Kilos> hmm
[18:27] <magespawn> Maaz check on a site
[18:27] <Maaz> magespawn: Sorry...
[18:27] <magespawn> lol
[18:27] <magespawn> bbl fish two bedtime
[18:28] <Kilos> Maaz, ping www.varistycollege.co.za
[18:28] <Maaz> Kilos: Error: unknown host www.varistycollege.co.za
[18:28] <mazal> lol
[18:28] <Kilos> spelling crazy in then things
[18:28] <mazal> Maaz , help with spelling
[18:28] <Maaz> mazal: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about.


[13:28] <scootergrisen> How do i download translation files from launchpad the smart?
[13:29] <scootergrisen> For example if i want to make a backup of all the translation files
[13:29] <scootergrisen> For a specific language in multiple projects
[13:31] <scootergrisen> Are there something i can add at the end of a URL or something to download a file?
[13:35] <scootergrisen> Its a big annoying/slow that i have to go to each projects page and click multiple times to request a download and then i have to wait for the emails with links so i can finally download the files
[13:35] <cjwatson> I'm fairly sure you have to request exports and wait for the response.  It's unfortunately not particularly scriptable.
[13:36] <cjwatson> The database doesn't store the .po files, but rather broken-down forms, and they have to be reassembled, which is in general not fast enough to be doable within an HTTP response time
[13:36] <cjwatson> Probably the best path to improving this would be to make it possible to request and wait for exports using the webservice API
[13:37] <scootergrisen> Are there any command line tools like Transifex have tx.exe?
[13:39] <scootergrisen> Does launchpad have a page where i can see all the projects i translate on the same page?
[13:41] <cjwatson> Command-line tools are all based on the webservice API (e.g. lp-shell, at the most general level), so in order for anything useful to exist there the webservice API would need to support requesting exports
[13:42] <cjwatson> https://translations.launchpad.net/~ should show your recent translation activity and other things like that
[13:42] <cjwatson> (I'm not super-familiar with Translations though, sorry)
[13:47] <scootergrisen> So lp-shell cant do it at the moment?
[13:48] <scootergrisen> Its because i translate aĺot of projects and then i would just to just download everything sometimes to backup and be able to check the files locally
[13:49] <scootergrisen> For a project like ubuntu i would have to click a crazy amount of times to download each file. 529 times at least
[13:50] <scootergrisen> Is it possible to change the header of po files on launchpad without having to download and make changes and then upload?
[13:57] <scootergrisen> Is launchpad it self not translatable?
[14:06] <cjwatson> I've already answered the question about lp-shell; the webservice API would need to support requesting exports in order for that to work.  I think that would be a good idea but it would be some work.
[14:07] <cjwatson> Launchpad itself is not translatable.  There's been some work on it over the years, but a fair amount more would be needed to finish it off.
[14:07] <cjwatson> (A lot of user-facing strings are tagged, and Zope has i18n support, but somebody would need to sort out all the glue)
[14:10] <scootergrisen> ok
[18:09] <teward> should I be worried a number of the amd64 builders are disabled?
[20:54] <cjwatson> teward: Not particularly.
[20:54] <cjwatson> lcy01 resets have been flaky ever since L1TF mitigations slowed everything right down.
[20:55] <cjwatson> We kick them manually from time to time, but I don't see why any particular user of the build farm would be worried.


[02:26] <carlfk> what would the downside of installing u-server and then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
[02:55] <Ries> Hey Guys... I need to create a mail system with webmail. I need to accept virtual users and some handy web interface to create and delete users from the system it would be even best if my clients can manage there own mail!
[09:57] <ImInAfrica> hi there
[11:04] <mindspin> anyone here with knowledge about german telecom/ dsl ?
[11:05] <mindspin> or does anyone know how to set mtu to 1452 for ppp0 ?
[11:08] <mindspin> I edited dsl-provider, but mtu on ppp0 is still 1492
[06:21] <ImInAfrica> hello there
[08:38] <shwag> i where might a find a list of packages installed on my system, sorted by date installed ?
[08:39] <thom> dpkg -l will give you a list, /var/log/dpkg.log* will tell you times and dates
[10:04] <shwag> I have no idea why    apache2-mpm-prefork   ended up on one of my servers, and apache2-mpm-worker  ended up on the other.


[02:29] <Azelphur> Hi, I'm trying to follow the instructions on this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration I installed the ubuntustudio-audio package and am now trying to run qjackctl, but it just freezes on startup. :(
[02:29] <holstein> Azelphur: i would either check for JACK running, or kill it, or reboot if you are not sure
[02:30] <Azelphur> holstein: apparently I have jackdbus running, and I only just rebooted after installing that package :p
[02:30] <holstein> Azelphur: i would open a terminal and type gksudo qjackctl
[02:30] <holstein> when you can get jack runing stable as root, then you can move on to "as normal user"
[02:30] <Azelphur> woo that got it to start
[02:30] <holstein> maybe you need to add your user to the audio group
[02:31] <holstein> then, start somehting like xynadd or yoshimi and try making a noise
[02:31] <holstein> i'll be back in a second
[02:32] <Azelphur> jack won't start because it says pulseaudio and jackdbus have control over my playback device. :(
[02:32] <Azelphur> I heard someone say you could configure pulseaudio to run via jack, essentially a "everything just works" setup \o/
[02:33] <holstein> Azelphur: i dont use pulse and JACK
[02:34] <Azelphur> I really need both, being able to play some music is fun but not being able to answer the phone kinda essential :P
[02:37] <holstein> Azelphur: you can
[02:37] <ailo> Azelphur: That guide is a bit old
[02:37] <holstein> i just dont
[02:37] <holstein> Azelphur: i would getJACK running stable first
[02:37] <Azelphur> ok do you have any better documentation I could follow?
[02:38] <Azelphur> I imagine I need to stop pulseaudio from starting, because it auto restarts itself usually
[02:38] <ailo> Azelphur: Make sure you killed jack, and pulseaudio before proceeding. "killall -9 jackdbus" "killall pulseaudio" (pulseaudio will respawn
[02:38] <ailo> Azelphur: No need
[02:38] <Azelphur> ok
[02:38] <Azelphur> done that
[02:39] <ailo> Azelphur: Just make sure no applications are using PA, like a browser
[02:39] <ailo> Azelphur: If you haven't set up realtime privilege, you won't be able to start jack in realtime mode
[02:40] <ailo> Azelphur: Not on Ubuntu Studio?
[02:40] <Azelphur> I believe I did that, when I installed the ubuntustudio-audio package it asked me if I wanted realtime and I said yes, I then added myself to the audio group
[02:40] <Azelphur> on Xubuntu 12.04
[02:40] <ailo> Azelphur: On Debian, that would be enough, cause the user is already member of audio group, but not on Ubuntu
[02:40] <ailo> The package is imported directly from Debian
[02:41] <Azelphur> I added myself to the audio group though :P
[02:41] <ailo> Azelphur: Did you logout, and login?
[02:41] <Azelphur> yup
[02:41] <ailo> Ok, so then you should be fine
[02:41] <ailo> Try starting jack again
[02:42] <ailo> Azelphur: No luck?
[02:43] <Azelphur> nope, takes a long time to check as it hangs
[02:43] <ailo> Azelphur: Kill jackdbus again with "killall -9 jackdbus"
[02:43] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/August/2012-09-05-034320_858x677_scrot.png
[02:44] <Azelphur> done
[02:44] <ailo> Azelphur: In a terminal, do: pasuspend -- jackd -d alsa
[02:45] <ailo> Azelphur: Sorry: pasuspender -- jackd -d alsa
[02:45] <Azelphur> I don't appear to have pasuspend
[02:45] <Azelphur> ah :P
[02:45] <Azelphur> it looks like that worked
[02:45] <ailo> Azelphur: Ok, so jackdbus is not getting a hold of your card, because of PA
[02:45] <Azelphur> fun
[02:46] <ailo> Azelphur: There are two ways to get around that. If you never want PA running alongside jack, use "pasuspender --" before opening whatever jack control program you use, like qjackctl
[02:46] <ailo> If you want to make your own starter, use alacarte
[02:47] <ailo> You can start it from the terminal
[02:47] <ailo> If you instead want PA to connect to jack, install pulseaudio-module-jack
[02:47] <Azelphur> Option B sounds like the one for me, *installs*
[02:47] <ailo> And make sure to restart pulseaudio, before trying that
[02:47] <Azelphur> apparently I already have that package
[02:48] <ailo> ok..
[02:49] <Azelphur> so what do I do to make pulseaudio connect to jack?
[02:50] <ailo> Azelphur: When starting jackdbus (which is how qjackctl is set up by default), PA will create sinks for jack automatically
[02:50] <ailo> It's important that PA is not using the card for anything, when you start jack
[02:50] <ailo> Azelphur: I'd start a new session, and try again
[02:50] <Azelphur> ok
[02:50] <ailo> This is Ubuntu 12.04, right?
[02:50] <Azelphur> I'll jump on IRC on my tablet, my irc client makes sounds :p
[02:50] <ailo> Or, Xubuntu, as you said
[02:50] <Azelphur> Xubuntu 12.04, yes
[02:51] <ailo> That could be the problem
[02:51] <Azelphur> The xubuntu or the Irc client?
[02:52] <ailo> The irc client
[02:52] <Azelphur> Doing a full reboot on my PC too just to be sure
[02:52] <Azelphur> :)
[02:57] <Azelphur> Ailo fresh boot, it still doesn't start
[03:00] <Azelphur> Doesn't work as root either :(
[03:01] <ailo> Azelphur: I don't think using root is helpful at this moment
[03:02] <ailo> It's mostly helpful to determine whether you have realtime privilege
[03:02] <Azelphur> Ok
[03:02] <ailo> Azelphur: Since you were able to start jackd with pasuspender, that means PA is in the way when you're starting normally
[03:03] <Azelphur> Makes sense
[03:03] <ailo> Azelphur: From the error log, I see that it is in fact jackdbus you are starting, which is what we want
[03:03] <Azelphur> Perhaps some application that starts at boot is connecting to pulse audio?
[03:03] <ailo> Azelphur: Default settings on qjackctl should just work
[03:03] <ailo> Azelphur: Have you added any custom auto start apps?
[03:04] <Azelphur> Not that I know pf
[03:04] <Azelphur> Of*
[03:04] <ailo> It's a bit mysterious then
[03:05] <ailo> Azelphur: One way to test your machine would be to make a live media of Ubuntu Studio, and try it. Everything is set up, so all you need to do is boot the live session and try starting jack
[03:05] <Azelphur> I started up pavucontrol and in the playback tab where it lists connected applications it lists "system sounds"
[03:05] <ailo> Yeah?
[03:05] <ailo> That should only be connected when you're actually using system sounds
[03:06] <Azelphur> It is in the list at all times
[03:06] <ailo> I mean, everytime there's a system sound, it connects only for that time
[03:06] <ailo> Azelphur: The would explain it though
[03:06] <Azelphur> Indeed
[03:07] <Azelphur> Any idea what service does that? I could kill it
[03:07] <len-dt> And it doesn't block things if it is going thrugh pulse.
[03:07] <ailo> len-dt: As long as pulse is being used for something, jackdbus won't start
[03:07] <Azelphur> I'm also downloading Ubuntu studio
[03:07] <ailo> len-dt: Meaning, if any app is connected to PA, jackdbus won't be able to grab that device
[03:08] <len-dt> Your experience and mine are different then
[03:08] <ailo> len-dt: It's different if you're starting jackdbus with another debice
[03:08] <ailo> device*
[03:09] <Azelphur> I'm also using a USB headset if that effects anything *shrug*
[03:09] <len-dt> I have had audacious playing an MP3 on the d66 and start jackdbus with qjackctl and the sound from pulse stops and jack starts
[03:09] <ailo> Azelphur: Oh, I forgot to ask you which device you were trying to start jack with
[03:09] <Azelphur> No idea, I just started qjackctl then hit start
[03:10] <ailo> Azelphur: You need to choose the right device in Qjackctl -> Setup -> Interface
[03:10] <len-dt> internal sound then
[03:11] <ailo> len-dt: Could be this works a bit differently between releases. PA does not let go of the device for me at this moment, anyway.
[03:11] <ailo> Also using M66
[03:12] <Azelphur> Interface options are: (default), hw:0, plughw:0, /dev/audio, /dev/dsp
[03:12] <Azelphur> What should I set it to?
[03:12] <ailo> Azelphur: That's not the right menu. Use the arrow next to it, pointing left
[03:13] <Azelphur> Ah, setting it to hw:5 Logitech G930 headset
[03:14] <Azelphur> It started!
[03:14] <Azelphur> Yay :D
[03:14] <ailo> Azelphur: What was hw:1 set to?
[03:14] <ailo> I mean, hw:0?
[03:14] <Azelphur> HDA Intel
[03:14] <ailo> Strange. That's your internal card
[03:14] <ailo> Should work
[03:15] <Azelphur> I have HDA NVidia too
[03:15] <ailo> Anyway, sounds like you are on top of it now
[03:15] <ailo> Azelphur: That's your hdmi out
[03:15] <Azelphur> Also hw:0,0 is ACL892 Analogue
[03:15] <Azelphur> OK, yep progress :)
[03:16] <ailo> Azelphur: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204
[03:16] <ailo> Just a bit of info on the sound systems
[03:17] <Azelphur> Seems like audio isn't working now, at least the pulse side isnt
[03:17] <ailo> Azelphur: Open the PA mixer
[03:17] <ailo> Azelphur: Oh, and check Qjackctl -> Connect
[03:17] <ailo> You should see PA there
[03:18] <ailo> You still need to set PA to use jack as output, if you want it to send audio to jack
[03:18] <Azelphur> Yep I see pa in there
[03:18] <Azelphur> Ah, how do I do that?
[03:19] <ailo> Azelphur: In the PA mixer
[03:19] <ailo> After starting jack, jack will appear as an output device for PA
[03:19] <Azelphur> Oh that was easy
[03:20] <Azelphur> Yep got sound via pa through the jack sink :D
[03:21] <ailo> Azelphur: using PA with jack will reduce the ability to get stable performance at really low latencies. Something I would believe is hard to get anyway with certain devices
[03:21] <ailo> Azelphur: That's mostly important only if you're planning on playing live on soft instruments
[03:21] <Azelphur> You mean if I use an app that goes pa > jack
[03:22] <Azelphur> Or even if the app connects direct to jack
[03:22] <ailo> Azelphur: It's really pulseaudio-module-jack that does that, and using jackdbus
[03:22] <ailo> The sinks are always created, even if you don't use them
[03:23] <Azelphur> I use a midi piano
[03:24] <Azelphur> Up until now I've been suffering with pulse audio latency haha
[03:24] <ailo> Azelphur: To get lower latency, set Qjackctl -> Setup -> frames/period lower
[03:24] <Azelphur> Hopefully this will be an improvement
[03:24] <ailo> Azelphur: You can get latencies as low as 1ms on some systems
[03:25] <ailo> I prefer 64, but 128 is often enough
[03:25] <Azelphur> That's better than pa by far, the longer pa runs the more latency creeps in, I've had it up at 100+ms haha
[03:26] <ailo> 64 frames/period that is. The latency should be well under 10ms
[03:26] <Azelphur> What's the downside to setting it lower, more CPU usage?
[03:26] <holstein> breakage.. crashing... clicks.. pops
[03:26] <ailo> Azelphur: The lower you set it, the less CPU cycles jack will had to deliver the audio to and from your device
[03:26] <Azelphur> Ah
[03:28] <ailo> Azelphur: You could try something simple, like Hexter
[03:28] <ailo> Azelphur: Make the midi connections in Qjackctl -> Connect -> Alsa
[03:28] <Azelphur> I'm testing with lmms and my USB midi piano
[03:28] <ailo> Does lmms use jack?
[03:29] <Azelphur> Yes
[03:29] <holstein> how is lmms now Azelphur ?
[03:30] <Azelphur> Yay, low latency works now
[03:30] <Azelphur> It seems pretty cool
[03:35] <Azelphur> Gay, hate when that happebs
[03:35] <Azelphur> Happens*
[03:36] <Azelphur> 64 seems a bit choppy sound wise, what makes you able to set 64 and me now?
[03:36] <Azelphur> Not*
[03:37] <ailo> Azelphur: Could be that your headphones won't work well at lower latencies
[03:37] <Azelphur> Ah probably not considering they are wireless :p
[03:37] <ailo> That shouldn't be a factor
[03:38] <ailo> The internal card should work fairly well with that
[03:39] <Azelphur> Guess I would need pro audio headphones to go lower, the set i am using is meant for gaming
[03:40] <ailo> Ah, right
[03:40] <ailo> He has probably not installed linux-lowlatency
[03:40] <ailo> Azelphur: Did you install linux-lowlatency?
[03:40] <Azelphur> nope
[03:41] <ailo> Azelphur: That will change the latency situation
[03:41] <ailo> It's the default Ubuntu Studio kernel
[03:41] <Azelphur> awesome, we've already made significant improvements latency wise...my piano is actually usable :D
[03:41] <Azelphur> I will try that package too
[03:42] <ailo> Azelphur: It's basically exactly the same as the generic kernel, but hasn't been updated for a while.
[03:42] <ailo> If you don't need linux-generic, I would just uninstall it after making sure linux-lowlatency booted fine
[03:43] <ailo> All though, you'd need to uninstall each kernel image separately
[03:43] <Azelphur> righto :)
[03:43] <Azelphur> there's a janitor thing that can do that iirc
[03:45] <Azelphur> ty for your help anyway, I shall be sure to have lots of fun :D
[08:29] <smartboyhw> !dev
[08:29] <smartboyhw> !devel
[08:30] <smartboyhw> !contribute
[11:00] <radar_> hiya, i'm migrating from an ASIO world and wondering if I need wineasio to route something between reaper,fm and jack
[13:57] <holstein> radar_: there is nothing in ubuntustudio preventing *any* software from being written for it
[13:57] <holstein> JACK is the routing tool
[13:58] <holstein> if the applications you are running are written for JACK, then it will be as easy as connecting a line to connect any application, or physical input or output on your hardware to anything else
[14:04] <radar_> if routing to/from an app running with wine should I need wineasio or wine default driver is fast enough ?
[14:05] <holstein> radar_: i havent used wine with JACK
[14:05] <holstein> radar_: i use and have good luck with native apps
[14:06] <holstein> radar_: if these are windows native applications, i would suggest looking at KXstudio.. its built on ubuntustudio and i know that dev and team have made some windows apps work well
[14:06] <holstein> radar_: you can also ask in #opensourcemusicians ..lots of smart folk over there that might be doing what you are trying to do
[14:07] <radar_> thks for the useful tips
[14:08] <radar_> i want to use Reaper (wich runs on wine ... ) the way to join ninjam server and stream
[14:08] <radar_> will see ;)
[14:08] <radar_> still thanks gtg now
[15:55] <billc> i have a belkin home base control center can u tell me how to connect to ubuntu
[15:55] <billc> connect to ubuntu
[15:56] <len-dt> billc, what is a " belkin home base control center"? A midi device?
[15:57] <billc> it makes printers appear to b wireless
[15:57] <billc> it connects usb to eithernet
[15:57] <billc> eithernet
[15:57] <billc> eithernet whew
[15:59] <billc> found supposedly ubuntu drivers but can't install
[15:59] <billc> cant install
[15:59] <ailo> billc: This is more of a ubuntu question. I would just google it though
[16:00] <billc> all is not printing on screen
[16:00] <billc> screen
[16:00] <billc> u saying xubuntu help
[16:01] <len-dt> no #ubuntu
[16:01] <len-dt> xubuntu and ubuntustudio are built on ubuntu
[16:02] <len-dt> what you are asking about is part of the base ubuntu packages ubuntustudio is built on.
[16:02] <billc> k
[16:03] <len-dt> the #ubuntu channel has a whole lot more knowledge base than the few people here
[16:03] <billc> understand
[16:03] <billc> where?
[16:04] <ailo> billc: Same network. The channel is called #ubuntu
[16:05] <billc> ty
[19:55] <cbx33> hey all
[19:55] <cbx33> long time no see peeps
[19:56] <cbx33> do we have an RT kernel anymore?
[20:46] <len-dt> cbx33, low latency kernel.
[20:46] <cbx33> how do i install that?
[20:46] <len-dt> performance is very good. better than generic for sure
[20:47] <len-dt> What are you running for a distro?
[20:48] <cbx33> ubuntu 12.04
[20:49] <len-dt> there is a package called linux-lowlatency
[20:49] <cbx33> ok ty
[20:49] <len-dt> No problem.
[20:50] <cbx33> what's the diff between PAE and non PAE
[20:52] <len-dt> PAE allows the kernel to use more memory if it is 32bit. 64bit doesn't need that
[20:53] <len-dt> so the pae is 32bit and the non should be 64bit
[20:54] <cbx33> ahh ok
[20:55] <cbx33> ty
[20:55] <cbx33> installing
[20:55]  * len-dt has kids to pick up from school