[12:11] <Elwyn> Prety good. Im finding KDE more intuative than Gnome
[12:11] <jende_> fdoving: I just found a howto and a driver for TI WLan drivers which works for the acx series just fine and its easy to install. Unfortunately the HowTo is in german. Is that of your interest?
[12:12] <jende_> mikeeagles: I just found the solution, so don't run away
[12:13] <OOD> Elwyn: yeah, and it's easier moving from windows since it's more similar
[12:13] <mikeeagles> Not gone anywhere. Just waiting for the live cd to finish booting.
[12:14] <Elwyn> Yea, Iv found that too
[12:14] <batousaix19> not really simpler, but more similar;)
[12:15] <jende_> mikeeagles: can't you boot without the LiveCd anymore
[12:15] <jende_> mikeeagles: can't you boot without the LiveCd anymore?
[12:15] <mikeeagles> Remember I switched hd's.
[12:15] <mikeeagles> I'll stop this and reinstall the other one.
[12:15] <zorglu_> mikeeagles: a matter of grub map ?
[12:16] <jende_> mikeeagles: yep...I forgot that for a moment...sorry
[12:16] <yokobr> theres anyway to install flash by terminal??!
[12:16] <zorglu_> !flash
[12:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:16] <zorglu_> yokobr: yes there is
[12:16] <OOD> there's a flash 9 beta so you should give that a try
[12:16] <yokobr> i want!!
[12:16] <yokobr> how?
[12:17] <zorglu_> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[12:17] <Elwyn> Quick question, How can i change my permisions on a mounted NTFS drive from "Can View Content" to "Can View and Modify Content", as every time I try do it from Right Click> Properties >Permisions, it gives me the error "Could not change permissions for /media/dir/"
[12:17] <OOD> that one is v 7
[12:17] <lainproliant> hello :)
[12:17] <yokobr> 00D, how can i ge t9?
[12:17] <timothy> i am having major problems with my Broadcom WiFi card
[12:17] <timothy> anyone wanna help me?
[12:17] <OOD> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/releasenotes.html
[12:18] <OOD> Elwyn: the default ntfs driver doesn't have write acces to NTFS
[12:18] <zorglu_> OOD: they release a linux version ?
[12:18] <OOD> yep
[12:18] <Hawkwind> !flash9
[12:18] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released.  You can get information and download it here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[12:18] <zorglu_> nice :)
[12:18] <Hawkwind> Hah
[12:18] <Hawkwind> I added the fact yesterday :P
[12:18] <Elwyn> @OOD is it possible to get another driver that doe4s?
[12:19] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: uptodate :)
[12:19] <batousaix19> ntfs-3g :)
[12:19] <OOD> Elwyn: right here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009
[12:19] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: cool :-)
[12:19] <Elwyn> sweet, thanks
[12:19] <jende_> timothy: what card are you havin'?
[12:19] <OOD> np
[12:20] <yokobr> please, can u gimme that link again, 00D, crash happened here
[12:20] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: you need a repo for ntfs-3g?
[12:20] <OOD> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[12:20] <jende_> !flash9
[12:20] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released.  You can get information and download it here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[12:20] <OOD> :P
[12:20] <batousaix19> look for it in adept 1st
[12:20] <timothy> jende: its a Dell TrueMobile 1400 with the BCM4309 chip
[12:20] <Elwyn> @theGateKeeper, repo?
[12:21] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: repositories is what linux uses for installing software
[12:21] <jende_> timothy: have a look: http://arclite.dyndns.org:8080/~chris/d800/d800.html
[12:21] <TheGateKeeper> !repos
[12:21] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:21] <mikeeagles> kay. I've got it hooked up again.
[12:21] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: ^^^
[12:21] <Elwyn> oh yep
[12:21] <lainproliant> i have a software related question
[12:22] <lainproliant> i am running software (GENS, rewritten to use OpenGL surfaces) and within both it and the normal GENS there is sound lag
[12:22] <lainproliant> other than this there are not issues
[12:22] <lainproliant> what do you think could be causing this?
[12:22] <jende_> mikeeagles: so you have rebooted yur box with he LiveCD?Menas you couldn't reboot it just with the old system?
[12:23] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: for when you get (k)ubuntu installed ---> repo for ntfs-3g --> deb http://flomertens.keo.in/ubuntu/ dapper main
[12:23] <mikeeagles> No, I reinstalled the hd that has kubuntu on it.
[12:23] <Elwyn> ohk, thanks.
[12:23] <mikeeagles> It's up and running.
[12:24] <jende_> mikeeagles: now type in the console lsmod | grep acx
[12:25] <lainproliant> hmm, maybe its a sound driver issue
[12:25] <lainproliant> the sound quality is perfect, but it lags about 50-100ms
[12:25] <lainproliant> well, probably more than that
[12:25] <lainproliant> about 250-300ms
[12:25] <mikeeagles> Okay now what?
[12:25] <jende_> mikeeagles: now type in the console lsmod | grep acx
[12:26] <mikeeagles> I did.
[12:26] <jende_> mikeeagles: what's the output?
[12:26] <Elwyn> If an instruction says "open a terminal and type..." is a terminal the same as Konsole?
[12:27] <lainproliant> yes
[12:27] <Elwyn> k
[12:27] <lainproliant> Konsole is a KDE frontend for bash
[12:27] <Elwyn> ohk.
[12:27] <Elwyn> thanks
[12:27] <lainproliant> yw ^_^
[12:27] <zorglu_> that's a way to put it :)
[12:27] <lainproliant> lol
[12:28] <lainproliant> sorrie if that isn't exactly correct, i'm still new with Linux myself
[12:28] <mikeeagles> acx 101132 0   usbcore 130820 7 usbhid,usblp,snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,acs.uhci_  hcd
[12:29] <Elwyn> well, im off now, thanks everyone for all your help
[12:29] <lainproliant> byebye Elwyn
[12:30] <jende_> mikeeagles: okay, I'm not quite sure if we should remove that right now, but as we wanna start from the beginning, we will see later on if we have to remove that file. however we start with:
[12:30] <squarepusher> Hi, how can I get KDE's "Open With" dialog box to accept a command-line executable and its arguments? Is this documented somewhere? My Google searches are blowing... I want *.flac to open up in cmus-remote. The syntax is cmus-remote -i <filename(s)>
[12:30] <jende_> mikeeagles: sudo wget http://www.hauke-m.de/fileadmin/acx/fw.tar.bz2
[12:31] <lainproliant> hmm
[12:31] <cpk2> squarepusher: why not just use konsole?
[12:31] <jende_> mikeeagles: followed by: sudo wget http://www.hauke-m.de/fileadmin/acx/acx-20060521.tar.bz2
[12:31] <mikeeagles> I'm not online so I won't be able to get it.
[12:32] <lainproliant> write a script maybe? that takes a parameter that is the filename of the file you want to work with
[12:32] <squarepusher> cpk2: I do, but right now I'm feeling a bit lazy, and I've always wanted to know. But I just figured it out anyway. If you right click on the little icon near the dialog box, and click "What's this" it gives you all of the formats.
[12:32] <Zerb_Riss> guys, I just updated to Edgy but the system is booting to the console
[12:32] <Zerb_Riss> how do I get into KDE?
[12:32] <lainproliant> squarepusher: cool
[12:33] <jende_> lainproliant: unfortunately the modules/drivers for the acx series aren't built in modules
[12:34] <jende_> lainproliant: so you have to compile/build them by yourself
[12:34] <lainproliant> you mean mikeeagles jende_ ?
[12:34] <jende_> lainproliant: it lokked as like as you wede responding to mike's last posting. Sorry
[12:35] <jende_> lainproliant: it looked as like as you wede responding to mike's last posting. Sorry
[12:35] <lainproliant> ah that's fine
[12:35] <lainproliant> its okay
[12:35] <lainproliant> i had a question about why GENS has sound lag lol
[12:35] <edrex> Zerb_Riss: less /var/log/X.0.log may show you something if x is failing to start
[12:35] <mikeeagles> No problem guys.
[12:35] <lainproliant> and what i can do about it :P
[12:35] <lainproliant> if anything
[12:35] <lainproliant> my sound card is on board and runs an nVidia chipset
[12:36] <jende_> mikeeagles: what was it you installed yesterday and since you cant get connected to the world?
[12:36] <zorglu_> naively what is 'GENS' ?
[12:36] <lainproliant> ASUS A7N8X Deluxe board
[12:36] <edrex> oh he's gone
[12:36] <edrex> :P
[12:36] <lainproliant> GENS is just a Genesis emulator
[12:36] <zorglu_> oh ok
[12:36] <lainproliant> graphics are crystal perfect :P
[12:36] <lainproliant> but the sound is laggy
[12:36] <lainproliant> even if i turn the frequency all the way down
[12:36] <lainproliant> or rather the sample rate
[12:36] <zorglu_> lainproliant: what about the other apps, like video player. is the sound laggy too ?
[12:36] <lainproliant> not at all
[12:37] <mikeeagles> This morning you helped me to update my puter. Remember the removal of the hash marks, and multiverse universe stuff.
[12:37] <zorglu_> lainproliant: oh ok so it is due to the emulator itself
[12:37] <lainproliant> its kinda glitchy in ZSNES but that's probably ZSNES's fault
[12:37] <lainproliant> i am thinking it might have something to do with the sound libraries the emulator is using
[12:37] <lainproliant> most like sdl mixer
[12:37] <lainproliant> likely*
[12:37] <jende_> mikeeagles: ah well, to be honest...there were quite a few today...what was your nick this morning?
[12:38] <lainproliant> let me test some more apps
[12:38] <zorglu_> lainproliant: hmm the sdl sound stuff is used a lot... i mean so it is unlikely to be that bugged
[12:38] <mikeeagles> After the reboot the networking was gone and the only option it shows to configure is a dialup modem. No other options are available.
[12:38] <lainproliant> true
[12:38] <mikeeagles> Aha. I forgot. I was magicmike this morning.
[12:38] <mikeeagles> Sorry.
[12:39] <jende_> mikeeagles: Mr Magic...here we go
[12:39] <mikeeagles> Since I wasn't able to log on I had to use a regular irc client. Forgot what my name was. LOL
[12:40] <mikeeagles> I'm fried. I hope to catch you again in the morn and see where I am then. Have a great night.
[12:41] <oem> can anyone help me im stick in oem mode on kubuntu
[12:42] <lainproliant> this isn't that computer, but my friends laughed at me when i said i was going to pus Kubuntu on my Armada m300 laptop saying things like I would have catasrophic hardware/driver incompatabilities
[12:42] <lainproliant> when i finished installing they stopped laughing :P
[12:42] <jende_> mikeeagles: I have to lokk up some papers, as the acx doesn't seem to be a standard.Tomorrow I'll hae the solution for you, no worries
[12:42] <jende_> mikeeagles: I have to lokk up some papers, as the acx doesn't seem to be a standard.Tomorrow I'll have the solution for you, no worries
[12:43] <lainproliant> Kubuntu manages my wireless drivers (atheros chipset) magnitudes better than windows did
[12:43] <mikeeagles> Thanks. I appreciaite it.
[12:43] <lainproliant> okay testing Totem Movie Player now
[12:49] <word> flash 9!!!!!!!!
[12:49] <word> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
[12:50] <lainproliant> no sound lag
[12:50] <lainproliant> not in Totem anyway
[12:50] <lainproliant> very very odd
[12:50] <jende_> BluesKaj: are you still around?
[12:50] <lainproliant> i will check all of the configuration options that GENS has and see if i can't find a hackaround
[12:50] <lainproliant> thanks everyone for your help ^_^
[12:50] <lainproliant> byebye for now
[12:50] <jende_> lainproliant: see ya
[12:52] <whyso> when i log in it says cannot load /HOME.drmc file to get default session, AND the login screen initially shows static at top and i have to scroll down to get to edit sessions, AND cant edit monitor settings from KDE :(((((((
[01:00] <M_A_K> How do I add packages in kubuntu (like synaptic in gnome)?
[01:01] <cpk2> M_A_K: to download things? you can use adept or even use synaptic or apt-get or aptitude
[01:01] <apokryphos> M_A_K: adept: kmenu -> system
[01:01] <M_A_K> I cannot find synaptic in the kmenu.
[01:02] <apokryphos> M_A_K: that's because it's called adept ;-)
[01:02] <cpk2> M_A_K: you need to download it first with adept
[01:02] <jende_> M_A_K: adept is your frind
[01:02] <jende_> M_A_K: adept is your friend
[01:02] <M_A_K> I see.  Ill give it a try.
[01:03] <cpk2> wow dvdauthor really seems to nuke my computer somehow
[01:04] <jende_> M_A_K: Michael if there should occur any probs just get back to us
[01:04] <cpk2> and gkrell doesnt even say I am using over half my cpu
[01:04] <jende_> cpk2: whooaaaaa...that's kinda weird
[01:05] <jende_> DjDarkman: howdy
[01:05] <jende_> cpk2: have you heard anything from that russian guy?
[01:06] <cpk2> no =\
[01:06] <cpk2> i was shaving & showering but i didnt get any messages
[01:06] <M_A_K> jende : can I use synaptic?  I don't see wine and as I recal,under synaptic I needed to add some repostories.
[01:06] <jende_> cpk2: well, I guess he made it though
[01:06] <cpk2> Sysinfo for 'snoresqueeze': Linux 2.6.15-27-686 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU2.40GHz at 2400 MHz (4806 bogomips), , RAM: 1243/1263MB, 109 proc's, 17.23h up
[01:07] <cpk2> M_A_K: go to view > manage repositories in adept
[01:07] <jende_> cpk2: you were faster...*g*
[01:08] <M_A_K> I dont know the address to enter in New Repository line.  In  synaptic, I just clicked on the ones to add.
[01:08] <menace> Is anyone here familiar with SWAP?
[01:08] <cpk2> M_A_K: this is what you want for bleeding edge wine deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[01:09] <M_A_K> What about stable (or as stable as can be)?
[01:09] <jende_> M_A_K: maybe you have to edit your sources.list
[01:09] <menace> !SWAP
[01:09] <ubotu> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[01:09] <menace> <3 that bot
[01:09] <M_A_K> Is synaptic installed or only if I install ubuntu?
[01:09] <cpk2> M_A_K: thats what you want, the wine package in the ubuntu repo is super old
[01:09] <jende_> add the line as given to you by cpk2 to yoour sources.list and you'll be fine
[01:10] <cpk2> something must be wrong...
[01:10] <M_A_K> jende_ : yes, for wine, but what about other apps I might want?  I dont know what repositores to add.
[01:11] <jende_> M_A_K: like what apps?
[01:11] <M_A_K> I am familiar with synaptic and am currently re-installing my system.  I need to get up and running.  I can take time to learn new later.
[01:11] <jende_> M_A_K: okay...do yu know how to modify your sources.list?
[01:12] <ubuntu> i have a real quick question about a dual boot system
[01:12] <whyso> whats key in konquror to view hidden folders
[01:12] <M_A_K> not really.
[01:12] <whyso> ubuntu: ask your question not ask to ask :)
[01:13] <ubuntu> i have 2 hardrives salved together...one with windows and the other i am trying to install kubuntu...will that work
[01:13] <ubuntu> i mean without hurting the wifes fules
[01:13] <cpk2> ok nevermind guess it did work, i have a 9 gig folder now
[01:14] <cpk2> M_A_K: its not hard to right click the repos in adept and choose enable
[01:14] <jende_> M_A_K: okay...here we go...open your sources.list by pressing ALT+F2 and then type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:14] <cpk2> nor is it hard to edit sources.list by hand
[01:14] <M_A_K> OK, open
[01:15] <ubuntu> anyone know if having the 2 drives together in a pc will effect the files on the windows setup with linux on the other
[01:15] <chab> ubuntu yea, everyone knows
[01:15] <M_A_K> should I just uncomment some of the items?
[01:15] <ubuntu> then tell me
[01:16] <belen> hi
[01:16] <M_A_K> Seems that some were commented out by installer because failed to verify.
[01:16] <belen> sorry i am not really how working these
[01:16] <belen> i am new
[01:16] <chab> ubuntu considering that you ask such a question, it'd be best to backup everything..or sell the pc...either way, the files will be fine..
[01:17] <jende_> M_A_K: compare yours with http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27320/
[01:17] <krups> ubuntu: if you have a windows drive and you're adding a ubuntu - just be careful when you add partitions.
[01:19] <jende_> M_A_K: basically what you need to do is to delete a few hashes and also you should make sure that you have multiverse enabled as well
[01:20] <M_A_K> jende_ : all of mine were commented out.  I uncommented all since they were uncommented in your paste.  Thanks.
[01:20] <M_A_K> Now fetch updates in adept?
[01:21] <cpk2> M_A_K: yes
[01:21] <M_A_K> Yea.... :)  Thanks
[01:21] <whyso> i just switched to kde, and it cant change my display settings :( help?
[01:22] <jende_> M_A_K: yep
[01:22] <cpk2> whyso: cant how?
[01:22] <cpk2> whyso: cant pick a higer resolution? cant find the right menu?
[01:22] <whyso> cant do anything
[01:22] <whyso> in the right menu
[01:23] <cpk2> whyso: you are trying to get a higher resolution?
[01:23] <whyso> no, cant even see the settings
[01:23] <cpk2> oh its just completely blank?
[01:24] <whyso> says it cant load display settins
[01:32] <whyso> does synaptic work in kde?
[01:34] <BluesKaj> yup
[01:34] <LjL> whyso, yes, all Gnome apps also work in KDE, except that of course they'll install a big bunch of Gnome libraries
[01:36] <whyso> eew!
[01:36] <softmaster> how do i know if direct rendering is enabled and wmy renderer?
[01:36] <LjL> whyso, there is Adept in KDE. not quite exactly like Synaptic, but it's there.
[01:36] <whyso> k ty
[01:37] <whyso> anyone help me get my display settings working?
[01:37] <softmaster> how do i know if direct rendering is enabled and what is my renderer
[01:38] <softmaster> anyone knows the commands?
[01:39] <LjL> softmaster: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html
[01:39] <softmaster> thanks
[01:45] <campbch> oye
[01:48] <campbch> how can i get the 915resolution program through a repository?
[01:48] <jende_> good night everybody
[01:49] <CVirus> campbch: I beleive I gave you a link before .. havent I ?
[01:54] <bLaZeD> does anyone know if there is a repo that has updated gtkpod debs?....
[01:56] <bLaZeD> i dont wanna have to compile it....but the one i installed with apt-get isnt letting me add videos to my ipod....but it did b4 with gtkpod...so im thinking the one that apt installed wasnt compiled with what i need....and hopeing to find a repo that has a diff one
[01:56] <bLaZeD> !gtkpod
[01:56] <ubotu> gtkpod: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.2-1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 480 kB, installed size 1988 kB
[01:56] <campbch> yeah, later that night kubuntu crashed and wouldn't let me boot, so i'm back to square one
[01:56] <campbch> i found it though, thanks
[01:57] <bLaZeD> The latest stable version is V0.99.8 released on September 24th 2006
[01:59] <campbch> incredible.
[01:59] <timothy> hello
[01:59] <campbch> hello
[01:59] <timothy> i need help with my broadcom wifi
[02:00] <timothy> this is my first time using kubuntu
[02:00] <timothy> and the onyl thing that does nto work is my wifi
[02:00] <timothy> i tried using ndiswrapper
[02:00] <campbch> humm
[02:00] <timothy> but it does not connect to any networks
[02:03] <rawrness> Will it dectect networks?
[02:06] <BonBonTheJon> timothy: did you follow a guide
[02:08] <timothy> yes
[02:08] <timothy> i tried 2 different ones
[02:08] <timothy> it will sometimes see networks
[02:09] <timothy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[02:10] <campbch> why isn't build-essentials in the package manager? shouldn't it be?
[02:10] <BonBonTheJon> timothy: that link is not for ndiswrapper
[02:11] <timothy> i have another one
[02:11] <timothy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[02:11] <timothy> that i also tried
[02:11] <timothy> but no avail
[02:13] <arkady> hi! i've upgraded tonight to edgy. is safe to upgrade all those python-* packages and hpjs (that remove hplip-ppds and foomatic-filters)?
[02:13] <M_A_K> in adept, is Full Upgrade same as mark all upgrades in synaptic?
[02:14] <BonBonTheJon> timothy: I had a hard time with a broadcom card, maybe someone else can help
[02:14] <timothy> did youn get it working?
[02:14] <mattjunx> I have a question regarding authentication of apt repositories
[02:15] <BonBonTheJon> timothy: not really, I ended up getting a pcmcia card
[02:15] <BonBonTheJon> mattjunx: what is your problem
[02:15] <mattjunx> I've just re-created my chroot of edgy (via debootstrap), and it seems that absolutely NO packages can be "authenticated" according to apt-get
[02:16] <mattjunx> this problem happened to me in dapper, but I just ignore the authentication problem via something (can't remember where)
[02:19] <mattjunx> also, on an unrelated problem, what the crap is wrong with edgy? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27400/
[02:19] <mattjunx> I get that error when updating or installing pretty much anything
[02:21] <rawrness> itsin beta :P
[02:21] <Jucato> rawrness: actually, RC has been released
[02:21] <rawrness> it has?
[02:21] <pointwood> I'm thinking about upgrading from dapper to the new RC, I'm conserned about the unoffical repositories - my sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27401/
[02:21] <Jucato> yes
[02:21] <rawrness> my bad
[02:21] <bLaZeD> !gtk2.0
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtk2.0 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:22] <Jucato> mattjunx: could you try asking around in #ubuntu+1 ?
[02:22] <mattjunx> doing that
[02:22] <mattjunx> thanks
[02:22] <waspius> hello..i am running kubuntu on a laptop with 512mb ram..but the applications and everything are running quite slow...and allot slower in comparison to windows..if i get a bigger ram will the problem be solved or do i need to do something else..
[02:22] <Jucato> pointwood: the repos for KDE, Amarok, and KOffice would probaby be OK, as those are the versions used by Edgy. I'm just not so sure about the PLF and dapper-commercial ones
[02:22] <Jucato> heck I'm not sure if there's an edgy-commercial
[02:23] <sebsebseb> how do I get
[02:23] <sebsebseb> Windows Media Player
[02:23] <sebsebseb> web radio
[02:23] <sebsebseb> playing in Konqueror?
[02:23] <Jucato> rawrness: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu
[02:23] <sebsebseb> in Firefox I have already done this,  but what about Konq?
[02:23] <pointwood> Jucato: yeah, I would expect to not needing the amarok and koffice repos
[02:23] <pointwood> and kde
[02:24] <El> Hey, can anyone tell me how to make my mounted NTFS partitions writable?
[02:24] <Jucato> !ntfs
[02:24] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[02:24] <Jucato> El: ^^^^
[02:24] <waspius> anyone?
[02:24] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb:  web radio = streamtuner ...very good app
[02:24] <El> k, thnaks, il have a look
[02:25] <Jucato> waspius: that's strange. with 512MB RAM KDE does a decent, if not faster, job than XP on my system
[02:25] <El> I thought the linux ntfs driver didnt suppiort writing to ntfs though :/  *ereads*
[02:25] <Jucato> err I didn't see the "writeable" part
[02:25] <waspius> Jucato: :(
[02:25] <campbch> ick
[02:25] <Jucato> El: yeah the standart ntfs driver doesn't support/recommend. but there are other experimental drivers that allow it
[02:25] <Jucato> I just forgot what they're called
[02:25] <pointwood> yeah
[02:25] <El> hmmk
[02:25] <campbch> if i were to download kdevelop using the adept manager, it would get the required libraries and such itself, correct?
[02:25] <pointwood> it should be pretty good actually
[02:26] <Jucato> campbch: it should
[02:26] <campbch> ok
[02:26] <pointwood> though of course, no promise that it wont corrupt your partition ;)
[02:26] <El> i think its called ntfs-3 or ntfs-g or something like that
[02:26] <Jucato> ah ntfs-3g
[02:26] <campbch> that's a) but b) why is it saying it can't install?
[02:26] <Jucato> hm...
[02:26] <El> thats it :p
[02:26] <Jucato> campbch: apt-get might give you a more detailed error message output
[02:27] <campbch> alright...
[02:27] <Jucato> "sudo apt-get install kdevelop"
[02:27] <pointwood> http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-3g
[02:27] <Jucato> but the first thing I would check is your sources.list/Manage Repositories
[02:27] <Jucato> !kdevelop
[02:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdevelop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:27] <pointwood> ntfs ^^^
[02:27] <El> pointwood: thanks
[02:27] <Jucato> what the hell?
[02:27] <campbch> it says it couldn't lock the admin directory
[02:28] <BonBonTheJon> !kdevelop3
[02:28] <ubotu> kdevelop3: An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1218 kB, installed size 3896 kB
[02:28] <campbch> how do i release that from whatever other program is stopping it?
[02:28] <Jucato> oh yeah lol thanks BonBonTheJon
[02:28] <Jucato> campbch: is Adept still running?
[02:28] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: your welcome
[02:28] <campbch> *cough*
[02:29] <campbch> depends on autoconf and automake, but it says they are not installable... ill try those individually
[02:29] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj:  What is streamtuner exactly?
[02:29] <campbch> autoconf has no installation candidate
[02:29] <campbch> why cant it be installed?
[02:29] <Jucato> campbch: can you pastebin the error messages from installing kdevelop3 ?
[02:30] <Jucato> I'm beginning to think that there may be some problems with your repositories list
[02:30] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb: streamtuner is web radio directory browser that uses the xmms player
[02:31] <sebsebseb> what's a web radio directory browser exactly?
[02:31] <Jucato> heh BluesKaj, better start talking in plain English :P
[02:32] <BluesKaj> it'lists several web radio stations like those in Shoutcast that one can tune in a nd listen to
[02:33] <El> hmm, i donno if im knowledgeable enough to get ntfs-3g working, so il outline my main problem and see if anyone can help.
[02:33] <El> My windowsXP instilation is corrupted, (lol, typical eh?), and I am trying to recover a few files with this LiveCD. I have a second hard drive that I was going to try copying the files to, but thats getting tricky, with this whole ntfs driver thing. So any suggestions on how to save my files?
[02:33] <campbch> using paste.ubuntu-nl.org?
[02:33] <campbch> how i despise the university wireless network
[02:33] <campbch> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27403/
[02:33] <campbch> gotchya
[02:35] <campbch> i got lost with the sebs, can't count them allllll...
[02:35] <Jucato> campbch: hmm... strange...
[02:35] <pointwood> here goes nothing :)
[02:35] <Jucato> campbch: can you post the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[02:35] <campbch> i have bad luc :(
[02:35] <campbch> k
[02:35] <pointwood> I probably should wait for the final release, but hey :)
[02:35] <Jucato> campbch: use !pastebin again :)
[02:36] <Jucato> pointwood: RC is *almost* as good as the final release
[02:36] <campbch> :D
[02:36] <pointwood> yeah :)
[02:36] <cellofellow> what's the easiest way to install Sun Java runtime and developing stuff?
[02:36] <Hail_Spacecake> how do I check to see if ubuntu recognizes my wlan card?
[02:36] <Hail_Spacecake> I'm pretty sure that it does
[02:37] <Jucato> !java
[02:37] <cellofellow> I tried to do it once but it just didn't work.
[02:37] <ubotu> java is To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:37] <TubaSoldier> cellofellow. you can get sdk and jee from sun.com
[02:37] <Jucato> cellofellow: ^^^^
[02:37] <Hail_Spacecake> because it lists two enteries in iwconfig
[02:37] <campbch> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27406/
[02:37] <Hail_Spacecake> but I can't seem to figure out how to raise the network
[02:37] <cellofellow> Jucato: thanks, I was already looking at that, but I tried that before and things kind of went sour. I'll try again though. ^_^
[02:38] <campbch> c(-_-v)
[02:38] <Jucato> cellofellow: the wiki for Java? I tried that. never had problems. just don't install using Adept. use apt-get in Konsole
[02:38] <cellofellow> Jucato: would aptitude have the problems too? I used it before.
[02:39] <campbch> life is grand.
[02:39] <cellofellow> From command line, no as an app.
[02:39] <Jucato> cellofellow: nope. that would even be better :)
[02:39] <cellofellow> ok
[02:40] <cellofellow> Jucato: you're right. It says it's ok to use synaptic in Ubuntu but to use apt-get in kubuntu.
[02:40] <campbch> i gotta get used to the command line still :o
[02:40] <Jucato> :)
[02:40] <Jucato> campbch: still trying to see what's wrong...
[02:40] <campbch> take your time
[02:41] <mike> help with installing java on kubuntu please
[02:41] <Jucato> !java
[02:41] <ubotu> java is To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:41] <Jucato> mike: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[02:41] <campbch> is sources.list standard? would it matter if i replaced it with a functional one?
[02:41] <campbch> assuming it's nonfunctioning, that is
[02:41] <Jucato> campbch: your is quite functional, as far as I can tell
[02:42] <campbch> :o
[02:42] <campbch> aight
[02:42] <cellofellow> Hey, just curios, what are the backports repos for? I don't have them enabled and haven't run into any problems, so I'm guessing their not too important.
[02:42] <El> My windowsXP instilation is corrupted, and I am trying to recover a few files with this LiveCD. I have a second hard drive that I was going to try copying the files to, but thats getting tricky, with this whole ntfs driver thing. So any suggestions on how to save my files?
[02:42] <Lam_> openoffice autoloads on system start up. how do i turn it off?
[02:42] <mike> no i have java installed but the plugin is not in my firefox plugins
[02:43] <mike> Jucato: i have java but its not in firefox plugins
[02:43] <mike> directory
[02:43] <cellofellow> weird, Mine doesn't but I can't figure out how to get my OOo to start up to system tray automatically.
[02:43] <Jucato> cellofellow: backports would sometimes contain software updates that are not too important/critical to be put in the main dapper-updates repository. they're also optional
[02:44] <Jucato> Lam_: do you leave it open when you log out/shutdown?
[02:44] <mike> java is not working even though it is installed
[02:44] <cellofellow> When I've installed Java, how do I tell Firefox (swiftfox actually) and OpenOffice to use the Sun VM?
[02:45] <Jucato> mike: but it's working in Konqueror?
[02:45] <mike> let me see
[02:45] <Jucato> cellofellow: in the Java wiki, there's a section there about setting the Default Java version. you'd have to do that
[02:45] <Jucato> same goes for you mike.
[02:45] <danny500> is there a wmv player for linux?
[02:46] <cellofellow> danny500: try the w32codecs library
[02:46] <Jucato> danny500: if you install the w32codecs, any media player can
[02:46] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[02:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:46] <Jucato> danny500: ^^^^^^^^^^^
[02:46] <danny500> thanx man
[02:46] <Lam_> Jucato: oh. i guess that might be it. lol thanks
[02:46] <danny500> woman, what ever
[02:46] <cellofellow> They took it out of the repos. I had to manually download and install it after my reinstall.
[02:46] <Jucato> cellofellow: for OO.o, I think you also have to manually set it up to use Sun Java
[02:47] <mike> Jucato: well it kina works in kongere it load the java box but not the content in it, it went further then firefox though
[02:47] <Jucato> danny500: definitely a man, last I checked myself :)
[02:47] <danny500> lol
[02:47] <Jucato> mike: have you done the step for choosing the default Java version that I mentioned? it's in the Java wiki
[02:47] <Jucato> Lam_: most probably :)
[02:48] <Jucato> cellofellow: w32codecs is really not found in the official Ubuntu repos. for legal reasons
[02:48] <mike> Jucato: that just said how to install, i didnt see steps for settign default
[02:48] <cellofellow> Will OO.o work any different with Sun compared to GNU whatever.
[02:48] <El> My windowsXP instilation is corrupted, and I am trying to recover a few files with this LiveCD. I have a second hard drive that I was going to try copying the files to, but thats getting tricky, with this whole ntfs driver thing. So any suggestions on how to save my files?
[02:48] <Jucato> danny500: you'd have to download the .deb file for w32codecs and install it either with sudo dpkg -i or right-click on it and use the Kubuntu Package Menu
[02:48] <Jucato> !java
[02:48] <ubotu> java is To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:48] <cellofellow> Jucato: I know, but it used to be. Did someone threaten to sue?
[02:48] <Jucato> mike: scroll down a bit
[02:49] <Jucato> cellofellow: no. but it's good to be safe :)
[02:49] <mike> Jucato:  can u send me the link aagian
[02:49] <Jucato> mike, cellofellow: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#head-fef9352fb26820bb774df978180c9dd3a60e777b
[02:50] <Jucato> cellofellow: the Sun Java might be a bit faster than GNU's
[02:50] <cellofellow> OK
[02:51] <BluesKaj> What's the secret to keeping my screensaver settings permanently ?  ...I lose them after every reboot :(
[02:51] <El> My Windows XP installation is corrupted, and I am trying to recover a few files with this LiveCD. I have a second hard drive that I was going to try copying the files to, but that's getting tricky, with the whole NTFS read/write driver issue. (I haven't been able to successfully install NTFS-3G). So any suggestions on how to save my files?
[02:52] <cellofellow> OO.o is so slow to start I might do it.
[02:53] <campbch_> ack d/c
[02:53] <campbch_> anyways
[02:54] <campbch_> if i want kdevelop, and it isnt installing properly, what should i do?
[02:54] <Jucato> campbch_: still no clue :(
[02:54] <campbch_> is there a kdevelop channel anywhere?
[02:54] <Jucato> campbch_: what command are you using btw? I think it should be "sudo apt-get install kdevelop3" ?
[02:54] <cellofellow> Is the Eclipse Java IDE any good?
[02:54] <campbch_> sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[02:54] <campbch_> yep
[02:55] <Jucato> hm... really strange...
[02:55] <campbch_> :'(
[02:55] <BluesKaj> !kdevelop
[02:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdevelop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:55] <Jucato> did you just recently modify your sources.list before trying to install?
[02:55] <Jucato> !kdevelop3
[02:55] <ubotu> kdevelop3: An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1218 kB, installed size 3896 kB
[02:55] <campbch_> v(0_o)v
[02:55] <cellofellow> !Eclipse
[02:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Eclipse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:55] <cellofellow> !eclipse
[02:55] <ubotu> eclipse: Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.2-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 100 kB, installed size 368 kB
[02:56] <campbch_> here, try this... could you paste your sources.list file to the bin?
[02:56] <campbch_> rather, the contents of
[02:56] <Jucato> ??
[02:56] <Jucato> campbch_: mine?
[02:56] <cellofellow> who? me?
[02:56] <campbch_> yeah, ill try it
[02:56] <campbch_> it's all the same repositories, and if i deleted something accidentally it will fix it
[02:57] <campbch_> ill make backups, just in case
[02:57] <cellofellow> campbch_: oh, ecplipse, I was looking into that for myself. sorry about that. :)
[02:57] <Jucato> campbch_: unfortunately, I'm not on Linux right now...
[02:57] <campbch_> :p
[02:57] <campbch_> the TRUTH!
[02:57] <cellofellow> Jucato: whatcha on? mac or bsd ok, windows BOO
[02:57] <campbch_> oh well
[02:57] <campbch_> maybe i can find another one
[02:58] <Jucato> XP lol
[02:58] <cellofellow> campbch: try using aptitude search packagename for Kdevelop. I know I could download it right now.
[02:59] <campbch_> ill try that in just a sec
[03:00] <[GuS] > Aurevoir...
[03:01] <Brydenn33> anyone here have FrostWire installed?
[03:01] <Brydenn33> i'm having some problems getting it to work
[03:02] <whyso> hmmm how come when i put in a CD in kubuntu it doesnt automoutn it
[03:03] <campbch_> so
[03:03] <rawrness> brydenn perhaps its java?
[03:03] <campbch_> what does it mean when the console says via apt that there is no release candidate for the package?
[03:04] <rawrness> I rembering something in the java wiki about seting something to make java based programs work right or somthing....
[03:04] <rawrness> OH  well my brain banks are corrupt anyhows
[03:05] <cellofellow> cambch_: it means it can't find anything that matches the package name
[03:05] <Jucato> strange, really strange...
[03:05] <cellofellow> !java
[03:05] <ubotu> java is To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:06] <cellofellow> rawrness: ^^^^^^^^^
[03:06] <cellofellow> Jucato: all the java inquiries?
[03:07] <Jucato> huh?
[03:07] <cellofellow> Jucato: what was strange.
[03:08] <Jucato> campbch_'s troubles
[03:08] <cellofellow> Jucato: oh
[03:08] <cellofellow> has he checked his sources.list and updated his cache or whatever it's called?
[03:09] <Jucato> afaik, his sources.list are correct... maybe someone else could check
[03:09] <Jucato> campbch_'s sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27406/
[03:10] <cellofellow> Jucato: maybe kdevelop isn't available right now. I'd check but my apt is occupied at the moment.
[03:10] <Jucato> I'd check to. but apt doesn't exist in XP
[03:10] <seishinbyou> Hi, I connected here on startup.  I have no particular problems right now, but I thought I should at least say hello while I am here.
[03:10] <Jucato> seishinbyou: eheheh hi! :)
[03:11] <cellofellow> he's got universe in there twice. might that ess things up?
[03:11] <|redalert|> hello, im new to linux but is there any program that lists all the other programs installed on your system?
[03:12] <campbch_> i went and rebuilt sources.list from the source-o-matic on ubuntu :D pretty much just checked everything, and it still turns up the error
[03:13] <cellofellow> |redalert|: dpkg keeps a cache of installed programs and uninstalled programs. Adept uses it to create its list. Try that.
[03:13] <campbch_> redalert, go to Kmenu>system>adept
[03:13] <|redalert|> thanks
[03:13] <cellofellow> campbch_: did you apt-get update?
[03:13] <campbch_> view all programs and those which you have installed
[03:13] <campbch_> ill update and try agian
[03:13] <campbch_> again****
[03:15] <cellofellow> why do you guys always have such hard to type nicks?
[03:16] <cellofellow> flaccid: hi there. I STILL haven't gotten my Samba server going
[03:17] <flaccid_> cellofellow: you need to learn samba
[03:17] <Jucato> cellofellow: ?? Tab completion?
[03:17] <cellofellow> I know. I've been trying, but it's apain is the but to get Samba working in a peer-to-peer Windows 98 style network.
[03:18] <cellofellow> Jucato: konversation has tab completion?
[03:18] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: All IRC clients do nowadays
[03:18] <seishinbyou> Works here (in konversation)
[03:18] <seishinbyou> (re: tab completion)
[03:18] <cellofellow> ok
[03:18] <Jucato> cellofellow: of course :)
[03:19] <flaccid_> cellofellow: windows 98 style of network wtf
[03:19] <cellofellow> flaccid_: no controller, just a bunch of computers in the same workgroup like Windows 98 does by default.
[03:20] <flaccid_> cellofellow: thats default for a lot of operating systems. has nothing to do with windows 98.
[03:20] <flaccid_> tis called samba standalone
[03:21] <cellofellow> flaccid_: oh, ok. but if I do that then user mode in samba doesn't work cause Win98 won't let me put in a username.
[03:22] <flaccid_> cellofellow: you need to remove the saved samba password in windows 98
[03:22] <campbch> oh jeez
[03:22] <campbch> here's a new morsel
[03:22] <campbch> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27411/
[03:22] <cellofellow> flaccid_: where is that?
[03:22] <campbch> i tried apt-get update
[03:22] <campbch> and it freaked out on me
[03:22] <cellofellow> flaccid_" it's not like windows has nice etc or home dirs.
[03:22] <campbch> saying gzip wasnt in gzip format, that there are corrupted files, ec
[03:22] <cellofellow> campbch: how so?
[03:22] <cellofellow> oops
[03:23] <cellofellow> campbch: before or after downloading the header updates?
[03:23] <campbch> hmm?
[03:23] <campbch> i just tried sudo apt-get update
[03:23] <campbch> what else should i try?
[03:23] <cellofellow> campbch: did it actually download anything?
[03:24] <campbch> yes
[03:24] <cellofellow> then what?
[03:24] <campbch> it downloaded to 99% of a gzip, and then said it wasnt in gzip format
[03:24] <campbch> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27411/
[03:24] <campbch> it's all there
[03:25] <flaccid_> cellofellow: this isn't ##windows
[03:25] <cellofellow> flaccid_: I know, sorry. :-(
[03:25] <flaccid_> like i sad, learn samba :)
[03:25] <cellofellow> ok
[03:25] <flaccid_> said
[03:25] <flaccid_> then you can fix samba problems
[03:25] <Jucato> can someone help campbch? I'm getting dizzy with the apt problem... :(
[03:26] <campbch> jucato, have you seen round 2?
[03:26] <campbch> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27411/
[03:26] <cellofellow> me too
[03:26] <campbch> why is this happening?
[03:26] <campbch> this is a fresh install
[03:26] <campbch> i only installed 915resolutions to fix my screen side
[03:26] <campbch> size*
[03:27] <Jucato> yeah..
[03:27] <Jucato> :(
[03:27] <campbch> is there something wrong with gzip?
[03:27] <cellofellow> campbch: well, apparently apt update files are gzipped and get piped through gzip. My system isn't getting corrupt files. Maybe your net connection? just a wild guess.
[03:28] <Jucato> campbch: you can try changing servers. drop the us.
[03:28] <campbch> that is a possibility
[03:28] <cellofellow> campbch: can you unzip or zip some gzipped file?
[03:28] <naegling23> hey, im having a problem with amarok, I was having a problem with amarok-xine, so I removed amarok, now I cant install it, I get a break install
[03:28] <campbch> because i am having problems with my connection...
[03:28] <Jucato> err.... why didn't you say so?
[03:28] <Jucato> it might have been a connection issue after all...
[03:29] <cellofellow> campbch: what kind of connection? what router? (if you've got one.)
[03:29] <campbch> because it was working, it wasnt saying unable to connect
[03:29] <campbch> it's a wifi connection
[03:29] <campbch> over the university wireless
[03:29] <Jucato> @_@
[03:29] <Jucato> oh...
[03:29] <campbch> but im in a dorm where it's being upgraded, and it's kinda shoddy ATM
[03:29] <Jucato> it might be a problem with routers or that kind of stuff
[03:29] <campbch> i didn't know it would corrupt the files
[03:30] <Jucato> I think apt-get has problems with routers... or whatever you call them
[03:30] <LjL> Jucato: DSL routers and that sort of thing?
[03:30] <campbch> then would adept work at all?
[03:30] <LjL> no, it's more like the routers have problems ;-)
[03:30] <LjL> some routers break APT because APT makes many DNS requests at a time, and the router's DNS server panics
[03:31] <LjL> the fix is to set your own ISP's DNS as the system DNS server, instead of the router
[03:31] <cellofellow> I had to set a different DNS server than my router, and use a static IP cause my router was mangling something on APT.
[03:31] <cellofellow> yeah, that's what I had to do.
[03:31] <campbch> ok, ill try something less volatile... is there a way to mass convert mp3s to .ogg files?
[03:31] <cellofellow> campbch: as for adept, no, it's a graphical apt-get frontend. no apt-get, no adept.
[03:32] <campbch> yep
[03:32] <campbch> sounds about right
[03:32] <campbch> thanks for trying to help, though
[03:32] <soulrider> anyone know if theres a way to add an http source to a torrent in azureus ?
[03:33] <cellofellow> campbch: find out what DNS server your router forwards to and use that.
[03:33] <campbch> how would i go about doing that?
[03:34] <BonBonTheJon> campbch: look into mp32ogg
[03:34] <cellofellow> campbch: try just connecting to it's IP address with your browser. If you can't get in cause of a password, ask the net admin guy.
[03:34] <campbch> how do i find out what the ip address of the dns server?
[03:34] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: he hasn't any apt at the moment so he can't download new programs.
[03:34] <Ashex> !static > Ash-Fox
[03:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about static - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:35] <Ashex> Damnit!
[03:35] <cellofellow> campbch: it's usually <IP_ADDRESS> or similar.
[03:35] <Jucato> ??
[03:35] <Ashex> !staticip > Ashex
[03:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about staticip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:35] <Jucato> Ashex: better just PM ubotu if you're not sure what you're looking for
[03:35] <campbch> <IP_ADDRESS> or .18
[03:35] <campbch> is that it? i found that in the network config
[03:35] <cellofellow> campbch: is that the gateway>
[03:36] <cellofellow> ?
[03:36] <campbch> i have no idea
[03:36] <cellofellow> campbch: in system settings => network, what does it say is the default gateway?
[03:36] <campbch> it says could not connect to host
[03:36] <campbch> one sec
[03:36] <cellofellow> campbch: under routing table or something.
[03:37] <cellofellow> campbch: or run a tracert to something like google and see what the first hop is. that's the gateway and should be the router.
[03:37] <campbch> <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:38] <campbch> nope
[03:38] <campbch> web admin @ .......
[03:38] <cellofellow> campbch: they've got security enabled. ask the dorm staff.
[03:38] <campbch> ehh they outsource
[03:38] <campbch> this complicates things
[03:38] <campbch> owell
[03:38] <cellofellow> campbch: tracepath google.com should tell you the gateway.
[03:39] <cellofellow> campbch: can it be that hard to just find out the isp's dns server?
[03:41] <campbch> one sec....
[03:41] <eaguerra> hello
[03:41] <eaguerra> i need help with LINUX
[03:42] <BonBonTheJon> eaguerra: whats your problem
[03:42] <campbch> tracepath google.com gets <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:42] <cellofellow> campbch: as the first hop?
[03:42] <campbch> as the first hop
[03:42] <eaguerra> I'm new user and need a tutorial o manual
[03:43] <BonBonTheJon> eaguerra: what are you trying to do
[03:43] <Jucato> eaguerra: Kubuntu has a nice manual installed by default. in K Menu > Help > Kubuntu Documentation
[03:43] <Jucato> it's not really a "manual", more of a guide
[03:43] <eaguerra> install aplications
[03:43] <rawrness> I am thinking if get hold of a fresh box  il make a flash tut for starting
[03:43] <eaguerra> thanks jucato
[03:44] <BonBonTheJon> eaguerra: look in the menu for adapt
[03:44] <rawrness> everything from install and media
[03:44] <BonBonTheJon> eaguerra: adapt is how you install programs
[03:44] <Jucato> *cough* Adept *cough*
[03:44] <campbch> linux is nooooooooooooooooooooooot an acronym :D
[03:44] <BonBonTheJon> eaguerra: of course, if you have any questions, you can come here and asl them
[03:45] <eaguerra> thanks
[03:45] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: I'd don't even use what ever it is, I use Synaptic
[03:45] <Jucato> heh
[03:45] <campbch> well
[03:46] <campbch> as a definition, linux is an acronym
[03:46] <Jucato> ??
[03:46] <Jucato> no it's not
[03:46] <campbch> 1.  a word formed from the initial letters or groups of letters of words in a set phrase or series of words, as Wac from Women's Army Corps, OPEC from Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, or loran from long-range navigation.
[03:46] <campbch> Linus's Unix --> Linux
[03:46] <Jucato> no
[03:46] <campbch> no?
[03:47] <campbch> where am i wrong?
[03:47] <MegaMasterX> Its true.
[03:47] <MegaMasterX> Campbch is right.
[03:47] <Jucato> Linux doesn't stand for anything except the folder where Linus stored the original Linux code
[03:47] <MegaMasterX> <.<
[03:47] <MegaMasterX> ugh.
[03:47] <campbch> >.>
[03:47] <Jucato> besides, if it was an acronym of Linus's Unix, then it would be LU
[03:47] <MegaMasterX> I smell a debate.
[03:47] <campbch> no
[03:47] <campbch> thats an acrostic
[03:47] <Jucato> oh well
[03:47] <MegaMasterX> Not necessarily
[03:47] <MegaMasterX> Linux is clever.
[03:47] <Jucato> yeah I saw the "loran" example
[03:48] <MegaMasterX> It's not as boring as LU
[03:48] <campbch> see that last example, loran from long-range nav
[03:48] <seishinbyou> Hmm, is there a way to exclude the "kicker" from the Application Switcher in Beryl?
[03:50] <campbch> why doesn't tracepath ever actually get to the end ip address?
[03:53] <campbch> if i man something, how do i unman it?
[03:53] <cellofellow_> campbch: I don't know it did that with google to me too. try something else.
[03:53] <cellofellow_> campbch: q
[03:53] <campbch> exit vim, whatever the viewer is?
[03:53] <campbch> k
[03:53] <campbch> the one and only button left to press...
[03:55] <cellofellow_> gtg, cya l8er. good luck campbch
[03:55] <campbch> thanks much
[03:55] <campbch> ick late
[03:56] <campbch> senegal fast food!
[04:02] <coreymon77> just curious
[04:02] <coreymon77> is there a hebrew kubuntu channel
[04:02] <Hawkwind> What's the country code for Hebrew ?
[04:02] <Hawkwind> hb, he ?
[04:02] <LjL> !he
[04:02] <ubotu>
[04:03] <Hawkwind> Wow!  That's quite interesting looking
[04:03] <LjL> i don't see a channel there, though...? :o)
[04:03] <coreymon77> interesting
[04:03] <Jucato> eheh
[04:03] <coreymon77> i know exactly what it says
[04:03] <LjL> well, what does it say?
[04:03] <seishinbyou> Pretty squiggles.  Can't read them, but pretty nonetheless
[04:03] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: /msg chanserv list *kubuntu*  That will give you all the channels with *kubuntu* in the name
[04:03] <coreymon77> it means
[04:05] <coreymon77> for conversations in hebrew and to the meet the hebrew channel (literal: sentence community), go to
[04:05] <LjL> ...to?
[04:06] <coreymon77> thats it
[04:06] <coreymon77> no channel
[04:06] <LjL> blah
[04:07] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: Can you type in hebrew on your system ?
[04:07] <coreymon77> yup
[04:08] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: PM me something that would make sense and I can add it to the bot
[04:08] <Hawkwind> Add in a channel name too if you could
[04:09] <coreymon77> there is no channel
[04:09] <eaguerra> how run a script
[04:10] <coreymon77> hawkind: what ubotu is saying makes perfect sense
[04:10] <coreymon77> there just isnt a channel
[04:10] <Jucato> Hawkwind: the IRC wiki doesn't list a hebrew channel
[04:10] <coreymon77> not with the command you told me
[04:11] <coreymon77> ill try going to ircsearch.com and checking there though
[04:11] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: If you have others that speak Hebrew you could create one
[04:11] <coreymon77> i doubt there are enough people
[04:11] <coreymon77> and im not fluent
[04:11] <seishinbyou> hrmf, noone hanging around kubuntu-jp.  Guess I'll just sit there in the hopes someone else drops by some year
[04:11] <Jucato> hai
[04:11] <Jucato> :)
[04:12] <seishinbyou>
[04:12] <Hawkwind> Squiglies!
[04:12] <seishinbyou> squiglies will save the world
[04:12] <Jucato> there are people hanging around in ubuntu-ph, but we have no kubuntu-ph :P
[04:12] <Jucato> I don't think we have enough users to have a channel of our own
[04:12] <BonBonTheJon> what is ph?
[04:12] <Jucato> Philippines
[04:13] <BonBonTheJon> oh
[04:13] <seishinbyou> So, Tagalog?
[04:13] <Jucato> a bit south of jp
[04:13] <Jucato> seishinbyou: yeah, and a few other dialects
[04:13] <seishinbyou> My coworker had to make a few trips there to sort out his Visa paperwork
[04:13] <seishinbyou> he told me about the dialects and cheap medication
[04:14] <Jucato> coreymon77: maybe the channels aren't by language, but by country/localization.
[04:14] <coreymon77>
[04:14] <Jucato> for example there's an #ubuntu-il for Israel
[04:14] <Jucato> !il
[04:14] <ubotu>
[04:14] <ubotu> /join #ubuntu-il
[04:14] <Jucato> see
[04:14] <coreymon77>
[04:14] <rawrness> small channel
[04:15] <coreymon77> oh shit
[04:15] <coreymon77> whoops
[04:15] <coreymon77> forgot to change layout
[04:15] <coreymon77> s
[04:15] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat has a list of available channels
[04:15] <coreymon77> i meant
[04:15] <coreymon77> there is only one person there
[04:15] <max0> is there an irc channel for games for linux?
[04:15] <Jucato> whoa, why isn't kubuntu-jp listed then?
[04:16] <DBO> Jucato, some channels simply havnt been added to the list, feel free to do so however
[04:16] <seishinbyou> Heh
[04:16] <Jucato> oh
[04:16] <Jucato> or maybe the channel isn't registered yet?
[04:16] <Jucato> oh well
[04:17] <coreymon77> i dont think there are enough people who speak hebrew to make a channel
[04:17] <coreymon77> plus
[04:17] <coreymon77> i dont speak it fluently
[04:17] <coreymon77> english is my first language
[04:17] <Jucato> coreymon77: I think the convention is to use #ubuntu-CC naming, by localization, not by language
[04:18] <Jucato> from the wiki: "If you start a new local channel, please adhere to the #ubuntu-CC naming convention"
[04:19] <LogicalDash> I'm trying to install the ieee80221 subsystem and make is giving me a strange error, "no rule to make target `modules'." Any help? See full paste at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27419/
[04:19] <coreymon77> i looked in kubuntu-il
[04:19] <coreymon77> it doesnt exist
[04:19] <coreymon77> if there were more people
[04:19] <coreymon77> maybe
[04:20] <coreymon77> but there isnt
[04:20] <Jucato> coreymon77: but #ubuntu-il does exist
[04:20] <coreymon77> ya
[04:20] <coreymon77> there is one peroon there
[04:20] <Zaire> anyone in here know where I can get some cool LInux Avatar packs?
[04:20] <Jucato> at least according to the wiki
[04:20] <digivore> !tar
[04:20] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde) - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[04:20] <Zaire> like avatar packs of the diff linux mascots and even of the bsd mascot
[04:21] <campbch> eck
[04:22] <seishinbyou> I don't know of any "packs".  You could do a google image search if you really wanted, I guess
[04:22] <campbch> what package is required to find mp3/info.pm and such? to be able to convert from mp3 to ogg?
[04:22] <coreymon77> BESIDES
[04:22] <coreymon77> sorry
[04:22] <coreymon77> didnt know caps was on
[04:22] <coreymon77> besides
[04:22] <digivore> is this correct syntax? :   tar -zxvf file.tar
[04:22] <coreymon77> most people who would want a hebrew channel would be israelis
[04:22] <Jucato> !mp32ogg
[04:22] <ubotu> mp32ogg: Converts MP3 file to Ogg Vorbis. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11-6 (dapper), package size 7 kB, installed size 64 kB
[04:22] <coreymon77> and there is the 7 hour time difference thing
[04:22] <Jucato> campbch: ^^^^^
[04:23] <campbch> ok.... i got mp32ogg, and it returned
[04:23] <campbch> an't locate MP3/Info.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5                                                                                .8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5                                                                                .8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at mp32ogg line 84.
[04:23] <campbch> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at mp32ogg line 84.
[04:23] <seishinbyou> Time differences are nothing to worry about unless it involes dealing with family or clients
[04:23] <campbch> im looking for @inc, i think?,.....
[04:24] <Jucato> errr
[04:24] <bsnider> is anyone here using a router?
[04:24] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: i do at home
[04:24] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: are you there now?
[04:25] <campbch> ack never mind, ill just go to bed
[04:25] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: no, i am at school, but i also have a router here, why
[04:25] <campbch> better luck next time, eh
[04:25] <campbch> thanks jucato
[04:25] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: are you using linux now?
[04:25] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: yeah kubuntu dapper
[04:25] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: check the contents of you /etc/resolv.conf file
[04:26] <bsnider> what's the address of the first nameserver?
[04:26] <rawrness> leaving cyaall
[04:26] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: the ip of my router
[04:27] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: i need you to do something risky
[04:27] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: its a wireless router
[04:27] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: comment out that line
[04:27] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: and then try browsing
[04:27] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: what is that supposed to do
[04:27] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: it should have some effect on your browsing, making it faster or slower
[04:28] <seishinbyou> augh, php...rotting...brain...must escape
[04:28] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: i didn't really notice any difference
[04:28] <tony_> I need help installing KDE 3.5.5 on Kubuntu
[04:28] <bLaZeD> anyone i here using the newest gtkpod?
[04:28] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: i see
[04:29] <bsnider> tony_: what kind of help?
[04:29] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: go to the kubuntu website, there are instructions there
[04:30] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: what brand of router do you have at home?
[04:31] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: at home is a linksys wrt-54g with dd-wrt, here at school i have a belkin wireless-b router
[04:32] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: belkin?
[04:32] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: its my old router, it was cheap when i got it
[04:33] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: that's the brand i'm having trouble with here. there's a 10 second delay caused by the nameserver line, as if the router is genuinely acting like a nameserver
[04:34] <tony_>  I am a TOTAL Newbie and I am having a hard time following the directions on the site.
[04:35] <bsnider> tony_: describe your system currently ine xacting detail
[04:35] <tony_> PC stats wise or OS?
[04:36] <bsnider> OS
[04:36] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: I tried it agian, with sites i've never been before, and i didn't see much of a performance change
[04:37] <tony_> Kubuntu stock set-up. I put the disk in ....let it run...now here I am.
[04:37] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: but there's not a 10 second delay with the line uncommented, right?
[04:37] <omar> guys I saw a linux with a konsole as a wallpaper, do you know a how to for that, I can't find it , even with my friend google
[04:37] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: no difference between the two
[04:37] <bsnider> tony_: dapper or edgy? when did you install it?
[04:38] <tony_> Yesterday.
[04:38] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: is this a live cd, or did you install kubuntu
[04:38] <tony_> Full install.
[04:38] <bsnider> i'm not sure riddell's building 3.5.5 for dapper, or just edgy
[04:39] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: ok, open up konsol and run 'wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg'
[04:39] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: konsole*
[04:39] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: i have 3.5.5 running on dapper
[04:40] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: then he should have it automatically, unless he's not running his upgrades
[04:40] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: I had to add a repository
[04:40] <judgen> hi
[04:40] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon:  get edgy
[04:41] <judgen> how come dri does not work in edgy?
[04:41] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: I like dapper, plus I don't have a graphics card to do all the eye candy
[04:41] <tony_> I did that wget BonBonTheJon
[04:41] <bsnider> judgen: you may have to load the module manually
[04:41] <BonBonTheJon> omar: there is a console that pops down
[04:41] <judgen> bsnider: command?
[04:41] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: now do 'sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg' to add the key
[04:42] <bsnider> judgen: if you know what the module name is, you can add it to /etc/modules, and then reboot
[04:42] <judgen> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:42] <omar> BonBonTheJon what do you mean
[04:42] <bsnider> judgen: for me, it's radeon
[04:42] <BonBonTheJon> omar: search your package manager for quake
[04:43] <tony_> BonBonTheJon: gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
[04:43] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: hmm, let's see if it still works
[04:44] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: was the repo 'kde-latest'?
[04:44] <judgen> bsnider, i have radeon loaded
[04:44] <bsnider> judgen: what's your graphics card?
[04:44] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: yeah
[04:44] <judgen> radeon 9800
[04:45] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: now in the command line do 'sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:45] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: then at the end put in 'deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 dapper main'
[04:45] <bsnider> judgen: i think that should be the proprietary ati drivers, unless you want aiglx
[04:45] <judgen> same error with fglrx
[04:45] <bsnider> judgen: open terminal and type "glxgears -printfps"
[04:46] <judgen> bsnider: what i get then is "Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"."
[04:47] <judgen> got some answer from a forum claiming that the dir structure in edgy has changed
[04:47] <bsnider> judgen: check the forum on that
[04:47] <judgen> and that is why it does not work the same way as dapper did
[04:48] <bsnider> judgen: i would try blowing away all of the hidden kde config directories, but don't blame me when you lose your settings
[04:48] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: what do like so much about edgy
[04:48] <tony_> BonBonTheJon: Bunch of errors... Can'nt connect to X Server etc....
[04:48] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: does it still open
[04:48] <seishinbyou> Edgy is great for me as hibernate/suspend *finally* works on my laptop
[04:49] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: fewer bugs, newer kernel
[04:49] <tony_> What?
[04:49] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: does kate open up
[04:49] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: kate is a text editor
[04:49] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: newer than 2.6.15-27
[04:50] <tony_> Yes...blank screen
[04:50] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: yes
[04:50] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: use the menu to open /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:50] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: 2.6.17-10-generic
[04:51] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: it should have text in the file
[04:51] <tony_> Yes
[04:51] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: add the line 'deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 dapper main' it should look somewhat similar to the other lines
[04:52] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: what has changed, do you know
[04:52] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: sorry
[04:52] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: does amarok work right, because mine has been crashing a lot recently
[04:53] <tony_> Does it need a # in front of it like all the others/
[04:53] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: amarok works fine here
[04:53] <judgen> bsnider:  are you sure kde has anything to do with the accel of xorg?
[04:53] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: no, a # means it is disabled
[04:53] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: what was the crash message?
[04:53] <bsnider> judgen: no, but if directories have been moved, then your old settings might be pointing to the old locations
[04:54] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: you might want to remove the # in front of the other 'deb' parts, this will allow you access to more software
[04:54] <tony_> I pasted it and hit enter.
[04:54] <tony_> OK
[04:54] <bsnider> judgen: gnome didn't work for me until i blew away its old config directories
[04:54] <tony_> All of them?
[04:54] <igor> hey guys...there do you know that program that shou some information of the computer in the desktop...like memory...temperature.....
[04:54] <igor> :T
[04:54] <bsnider> igor superkaramba
[04:54] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: only before lines that have deb in them, the others are comments
[04:55] <igor> thanks
[04:55] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: it crashes when i start it up
[04:55] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: i'm trying it now
[04:55] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: try it fromt eh command line and read the output. the executable is "amarokapp"
[04:56] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: of course it works when i'm trying to explain the error
[04:56] <tony_> BonBonTheJon: OK...I did that.
[04:56] <bsnider> and try it as root using those settings, by preceding the command with "kdesu"
[04:56] <tony_> Do I save it?
[04:56] <Tarantulafudge> what can I use to control cpu scaling and view the temperature on my laptop processor
[04:57] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: yes, save it, then close kate, and you should be back to the console
[04:57] <tony_> Yes I am.
[04:57] <bsnider> tony_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:58] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: ok, now do 'sudo apt-get update' so the computer knows about it
[04:58] <bsnider> tony_: wait. sudo apt-get update first
[04:58] <seishinbyou> Tarantulafudge: There was one installed by default when I installed Kubuntu Edgy.  It uses a "PowerNow" Daemon
[04:58] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: do you use kopete, is it better in edgy
[04:58] <ZeroCool> what is the best mp3 player for kubuntu, that intergrates well.
[04:58] <BonBonTheJon> ZeroCool: amarok
[04:58] <tony_> Updating....
[04:58] <BonBonTheJon> ZeroCool: it is installed by default
[04:59] <ZeroCool> understood, that
[04:59] <Tarantulafudge> seishinbyou: how do I use/open it
[04:59] <ZeroCool> but is it the best
[04:59] <ZeroCool> and why
[04:59] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: i do, and it's newer. there are improvements in two protocols, jabber and i think yim
[04:59] <tony_> It says Done.
[04:59] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: now do 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[04:59] <BonBonTheJon> ZeroCool: its a lot more powerful than other players like xmms
[04:59] <bsnider> ZeroCool: because it is
[05:00] <ZeroCool> what about juk
[05:00] <ZeroCool> or kaffeine
[05:00] <BonBonTheJon> ZeroCool: only thing I wish was if daap was better integrated
[05:00] <bsnider> ZeroCool: juk sucks
[05:00] <ZeroCool> k
[05:00] <ZeroCool> what about kaffeine
[05:00] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: I dont know about the others, but amarok can sync an ipod
[05:00] <seishinbyou> Tarantulafudge:  powernowd -h lists all the options, but the default settings are just fine
[05:00] <BonBonTheJon> ZeroCool: ^^^
[05:00] <bsnider> ZeroCool: kaffeine is a video player
[05:01] <ZeroCool> and its plays audio
[05:01] <ZeroCool> using xine
[05:01] <ZeroCool> engine
[05:01] <bsnider> ZeroCool: kaffeine does not manage a media library using a database
[05:01] <Tarantulafudge> seishinbyou: my laptop is clocked at 500 (900 mhz processor) and its plugged into the wall
[05:01] <ZeroCool> heard that
[05:01] <ZeroCool> amarok uses sql
[05:01] <BonBonTheJon> ZeroCool: yeah, it depends on if you organize your music, or if you want the software to
[05:01] <sorush21> how do I restart my kmenu its missing after I have booted in .. I mean the task bar
[05:02] <ZeroCool> how about 28,000 thousand in my collection
[05:02] <Hawkwind> ZeroCool: There is no such thing as 'best media player'.  That is merely a personal opinion of everyone here.  Use many and see what *you* like best, not what others like or prefer
[05:02] <Hawkwind> sorush21: kicker
[05:02] <ZeroCool> read abov
[05:02] <ZeroCool> can it handle it
[05:02] <bsnider> ZeroCool: amarok can look up lyrics, sync ipods, look up artist info on wikipedia, use podcasts, and play radio streams
[05:02] <ZeroCool> or should I go and use mpd
[05:02] <BonBonTheJon> ZeroCool: it should be able to handle it
[05:02] <ZeroCool> what about re-tagging
[05:02] <ZeroCool> automatic
[05:02] <seishinbyou> Tarantulafudge: Sort of like mine.  It is running at 600mhz whereas it is a 1.7 ghz processor.  It shoots up to 100% speed when I do anything processor intensive automatically anyways
[05:02] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: hows it coming
[05:02] <bsnider> ZeroCool: there's a tagger in amarok
[05:03] <ZeroCool> but is it automatic
[05:03] <tony_> BonBonTheJon: Its done.
[05:03] <tony_> Do I reboot?
[05:03] <Tarantulafudge> seishinbyou: how do i test that
[05:03] <bsnider> ZeroCool: how do you mean automatic?
[05:03] <Hawkwind> ZeroCool: Try all of them, see what *YOU* like, not what others like
[05:03] <BonBonTheJon> ZeroCool: it can look up cover art automatically, granted it messes up sometimes
[05:03] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: yeah, you can restart to see if it worked...
[05:04] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: not much will look different though
[05:04] <seishinbyou> Tarantulafudge: In your System Tray, if there is a "Power Manager" icon, hover your mouse over it, then do something processor intensive like reencode a video or something and check again
[05:04] <ZeroCool> have a sh_T load of tags, that need to be corrected.....
[05:04] <seishinbyou> Tarantulafudge: you can force settings through the command line if you want
[05:04] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: come back here after you restart
[05:04] <max0> does anyone know the xgl room?
[05:04] <Hawkwind> ZeroCool: So use easytag
[05:04] <bsnider> ZeroCool: you need a tagging program
[05:04] <ZeroCool> yes, tell me more
[05:04] <ZeroCool> which
[05:04] <tony_> Thanks for the help/ I'll try to get back in here  to let you know if it worked. Thanks again.
[05:04] <ZeroCool> best
[05:04] <seishinbyou> Tarantulafudge: -u and -l can specify upper and lower CPU usage %
[05:04] <Hawkwind> ZeroCool: No such thing as 'best'
[05:05] <ZeroCool> automatic
[05:05] <tony_> Right on
[05:05] <ZeroCool> close 2
[05:05] <Hawkwind> ZeroCool: Search for 'easytag'
[05:05] <ZeroCool> k
[05:05] <Hawkwind> ZeroCool: Actually, sudo apt-get install easytag
[05:05] <Hawkwind> ZeroCool: Then run it and use it. It's very simple and works wonders
[05:05] <max0> does anyone know the link to the xgl irc room
[05:05] <kalim86> hey anyone kno the name for Unbuntu?
[05:06] <Hawkwind> max0: #Ubuntu-XGL
[05:06] <kalim86> thank you
[05:06] <max0> thank you
[05:06] <BonBonTheJon> kalim86: what do you mean
[05:06] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: i think he means #ubuntu
[05:07] <ZeroCool> TKS ++
[05:07] <bsnider> i've got to choose a horror flick to watch tonight
[05:08] <softmaster> i had this error after updating my kubuntu http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27424/
[05:09] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: any luck
[05:09] <sorush21> hi i have a make error how do I debug it ?
[05:09] <softmaster> with many packages either?
[05:09] <tony_> Nothing looks different..
[05:09] <softmaster> any help
[05:10] <bsnider> softmaster: type sudo apt-get -f install in a terminal
[05:10] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: in any kde app, select the help, then about kde
[05:10] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: it should say 3.5.5
[05:11] <BonBonTheJon> sorush21: can you pastebin your error
[05:11] <BonBonTheJon> !pastebin > sorush21
[05:11] <kalim86> anyone know much about ubuntu?
[05:11] <Hawkwind> sorush21: First of all, what are you trying to build/compile ?
[05:11] <Hawkwind> kalim86: All of us do, do you have a question ?
[05:11] <BonBonTheJon> kalim86: whats your question
[05:11] <tony_> Adept is installing a bunch of updates.
[05:11] <bsnider> kalim86: god damn right
[05:11] <Hawkwind> !language
[05:11] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:11] <kalim86> ok i cant use my wireless card
[05:11] <softmaster> bsnider: it didn't fix the problem
[05:12] <kalim86> i have a acer and when i used winxp the light was on
[05:12] <kalim86> now its not and it doesnt work
[05:12] <kalim86> and i think the card is installed
[05:12] <bsnider> softmaster: sudo dpkg --configure-a
[05:12] <Hawkwind> !wireless > kalim86
[05:12] <kalim86> but i cant get it to connect
[05:12] <tony_> BonBonTheJon: 3.5.2
[05:12] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: what is it installing now
[05:13] <tony_> Looks like apps....
[05:13] <omar> guys mu "add/remove software" is gone
[05:14] <omar> I mean is not in the menu anymore
[05:14] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: its probably installing 3.5.5 now
[05:14] <softmaster> bsnider: no use :(
[05:14] <omar> what's the command to get it back
[05:14] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: there are a lot of updates for it
[05:14] <BonBonTheJon> kalim86: are you fixing it okay
[05:14] <bsnider> softmaster: do a web search for the portion of the pastebin message that contained the "hash table" blurb
[05:16] <tony_> Yea...I think you're right....I just saw "Replacing Konquer" flash by...
[05:16] <BonBonTheJon> omar: you dont really need that, unless you used it alot
[05:16] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: i think it downloaded like 107MB when I did it, so it might take a while
[05:16] <omar> BonBonTheJon got you, but just in case, what's the command to open it by konsole
[05:17] <BonBonTheJon> omar: you can install software with adept
[05:17] <BonBonTheJon> omar: i dont know how to get it back
[05:17] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: how to get what back?
[05:18] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: the 'add/remove software' from the menu
[05:18] <osiris> can onyone recomend an icon editor for kubuntu ?
[05:19] <sander> does anyone know how to set the default resolution for kdm?
[05:20] <BonBonTheJon> !kiconedit > osiris
[05:21] <bsnider> home run molina. cards up 3-1
[05:22] <hazard2> what package should I install to get gtk-config?
[05:24] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: i cant find anything about gtk-config
[05:25] <hazard2> Hrm...
[05:25] <hazard2> Maybe I'm just insane then...
[05:25] <bsnider> hazard2: what do you need it for?
[05:25] <hazard2> Thanks anyway.
[05:25] <hazard2> shxd
[05:25] <hazard2> a hotline client
[05:25] <hazard2> it seems to want it
[05:26] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: i did a package search and there is no gtk-config
[05:26] <bsnider> hazard2: hotline?
[05:26] <hazard2> its an old file sharing protocol
[05:26] <bsnider> hazard2: too old, i'd say
[05:27] <bsnider> hazard2: do you absolutely have to have it, or esle you'll die?
[05:27] <hazard2> hey, it works (since the death of my laptop though, its gotten harder to find a client)
[05:27] <hazard2> Well, its kinda how I print my homework...
[05:28] <hazard2> (send home to webserver, and then print on school PC)
[05:28] <bsnider> hazard2: you print your homework using a file sharing network?
[05:28] <hazard2> its not really a file sharing network
[05:28] <hazard2> there's a server, then clients connect to it, it isn't p2p or anything.
[05:28] <tony_> Bon
[05:29] <bsnider> hazard2: something tells me there's a better way of doing this. what about ftp?
[05:29] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: any news
[05:29] <hazard2> a pain to configure for me?
[05:29] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: yeah, setup an ftp server
[05:29] <hazard2> I have a webserver.
[05:29] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: setting up ftp probably would be less work than getting shxd to work
[05:30] <bsnider> hazard2: you probably wouldn't need to secure it though
[05:30] <hazard2> But I can't get apache to share folders on network shares from windows PCs (which hotline does just fine)
[05:30] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: use samba to share the folder
[05:30] <tony_> BonBonTheJon: It worked...the only thing is the font changed...like it reminds me of Mozilla back in the day. How do I get it back to how it was before? It looked "cleaner"?
[05:30] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: thats how i edit my web site
[05:30] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: not on the internet!
[05:30] <hazard2> nononoo BonBon
[05:31] <BonBonTheJon> bsnider: i know not on the internet, but on my local network
[05:31] <hazard2> I'd need APACHE to HOST pages ON network volumes
[05:31] <hazard2> Well, that dosen't help me any now does it?
[05:31] <hazard2> (and yes, I already do)
[05:31] <hazard2> (on the home local network)
[05:32] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: go into the control panel and look around the appearence section about anti-aliasing
[05:32] <bsnider> hazard2: ftp is the best way to do it
[05:32] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: maybe look into webdav
[05:32] <malcolm> how do i get the system time from the kernal?
[05:33] <hazard2> webdav works too, but its locking mechnism is to anal to let other home network stuff to work right.
[05:33] <BonBonTheJon> malcolm: the first part of 'uptime' gives the time
[05:33] <hazard2> (and I do use webdav, I've found that hotline [before laptop death]  was more stable and faster)
[05:34] <hazard2> of course, I can't do what I need using webdav at the moment.
[05:34] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: i have samba for local network, and ftp for internet
[05:34] <hazard2> here's the thing with FTP: the OSX implementation of it is irratating.
[05:34] <hazard2> (and I've never used it on linux, so I don't know_)
[05:35] <hazard2> but either way that'd require configuration changes....AT HOME...
[05:35] <hazard2> which I can't do right now.
[05:35] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: thats why you need ssh
[05:35] <bsnider> hazard2: you could try forcing the installation
[05:35] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: did you find anti-aliasing
[05:35] <hazard2> I specifically _DISABLED_ ssh on the server.
[05:36] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: you can disable ssh for the root, that helps deter hackers
[05:36] <hazard2> 'helps' how about, no ssh 'stops'
[05:36] <coreymon77> goodnight everyone
[05:36] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: and you can specify who are the only users who can ssh in
[05:37] <hazard2> I know.
[05:37] <hazard2> but my view on security is less stuff, less risk.
[05:37] <bsnider> hazard2: as long as you've got a hell of a good password, it's fine
[05:37] <hazard2> and ssh _CAN_HAVE_ lots of system access.
[05:37] <coreymon77> gnight
[05:37] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: or, if you are behind a router/firewall, disable the port for ssh, except when you need it
[05:37] <coreymon77> gtg
[05:37] <hazard2> I try to keep it so that NO network service can actually do anything destructive.
[05:37] <BonBonTheJon> bye coreymon77
[05:38] <coreymon77> gnight
[05:38] <hazard2> 'night corey
[05:38] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: remember, these are only suggestions, you dont need to do any of it
[05:39] <hazard2> I know :)
[05:39] <Ashex> So, I've got this really irritating issue with the kbars
[05:39] <Ashex> they like to randomly freeze up
[05:40] <Ashex> it doesn't respond to anything i do for like, 10 seconds
[05:40] <Age1172> help
[05:40] <BonBonTheJon> Age1172: what is your problem
[05:41] <Age1172> i had kubuntu installed on my other machine
[05:41] <BonBonTheJon> Ashex: what is kbars
[05:41] <Age1172> and after update it doesnt logon to gui
[05:41] <hazard2> BonBonTheJon: do you know how to remove an entry from the system settings menu?
[05:41] <Age1172> it gives an error
[05:41] <BoganKiwi> I installed kubuntu but i want gnome/ubuntu as a session ...how do I add it on to kubuntu?
[05:41] <BoganKiwi> plz
[05:42] <Ashex> BonBonTheJon, the menu on the bottom
[05:42] <Ashex> I have another one on the left-side
[05:42] <Ashex> er, panels
[05:42] <Ashex> that's what I meant to say
[05:42] <hazard2> ah, as I suspected, gtk-config is part of gtk (basepkg)-dev
[05:43] <Ashex> BoganKiwi, sudo apt-get install gnome
[05:43] <BoganKiwi> thanks
[05:43] <BonBonTheJon> BoganKiwi: install ubuntu-desktop
[05:43] <Ashex> and when you login, click the little drop down bar and select Gnome as your session
[05:43] <BoganKiwi> ubuntu-desktop doesnt seem to work
[05:44] <Ashex> I believe kde uses ubuntu-desktop too, so you need to install gnome itself
[05:44] <BoganKiwi> E: Package gnome has no installation candidate
[05:44] <BonBonTheJon> Ashex: kubuntu should use kubuntu-desktop
[05:44] <Ashex> Age1172, what's the error
[05:44] <Ashex> BonBonTheJon, good point
[05:44] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: what are you trying to do
[05:44] <Age1172> that is the error : xsession: warning:unable to write to /tmp; xsession may exit with an error
[05:44] <Ashex> BoganKiwi, enable multiverse
[05:44] <BoganKiwi> ok
[05:45] <BonBonTheJon> Ashex: ubuntu-desktop should be in main
[05:45] <bsnider> BonBonTheJon: he didn't try ubuntu desktop he tried gnome
[05:46] <BonBonTheJon> Age1172: log in and do 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' and see if that fixes it
[05:46] <BonBonTheJon> Ashex: i dont know about the kbar problem
[05:46] <Age1172> this problem happened after update
[05:46] <hazard2> I removed all the bluetooth stuff from the system, but the icon for the bluetooth control panel is still there in the system settings
[05:46] <Ashex> man, if i can't figure it why the panels keep freezing up, i might have to reinstall or something :/
[05:46] <Ashex> :( nutters
[05:47] <hazard2> its annoying more than anything, and it seems stupid if I can't remove it.
[05:47] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: i dont know if you can
[05:47] <Ashex> bsnider, it sounds like he just doesn't have permissions to /tmp as a regular user
[05:47] <hazard2> heh, go figure
[05:47] <Ashex> maybe a chmod?
[05:47] <bsnider> Ashex: everyone has permissions to /tmp, that's the point
[05:48] <BonBonTheJon> Age1172: when you log in, then do 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[05:48] <Ashex> bsnider, yeah, he would have way more problems if he didn't have access
[05:48] <Age1172> ok i'll try
[05:52] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[05:52] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:52] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. anyone noticed an easysource like site for normal debian?
[05:52] <Ashex> google?
[05:52] <plugs> I have some questions about video editing.
[05:53] <Dr_willis> doing that now.. i  just liked how easysource worked.. not finding one similer.
[05:53] <plugs> First, is there a way to take frames and turn them into a video file?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> I thought i saw that option with ffmpeg plugs
[05:53] <plugs> i'll look into thta
[05:53] <MasterEvilAce> anyone else using APT-GET and having problems upgrading a bunch of python-egenix packages?
[05:54] <MasterEvilAce> they're being held-back
[05:54] <BonBonTheJon> MasterEvilAce: if there are help back, do a 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[05:55] <plugs> aaack!
[05:55] <MasterEvilAce> BonBonTheJon: i've done that many times.. they're still getting held-back for some reason
[05:55] <BonBonTheJon> MasterEvilAce: hmm
[05:56] <plugs> i can't use sudo cause my clock was off and the last time it was used is tomorrow
[05:56] <MasterEvilAce> Running Edgy, btw
[05:56] <plugs> and you need sudo to change your clock.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> hmm... i cant say that ive ever seen that happen plugs  and ive had clocks set to all sorts of times.
[05:59] <Dr_willis> sudo -s    perhaps.. or reboot and set the time in the bios. :)
[06:00] <Ashex> Ooooo
[06:00] <Ashex> I just discovered a feature!
[06:00] <plugs> weird
[06:00] <plugs> check this out then Dr_willis
[06:00] <Ashex> scrolling the middle wheel at the top cycles through windows
[06:00] <BonBonTheJon> Ashex: whereever there are tabs, you can scroll through them
[06:00] <plugs> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Oct 20 22:41:09 2006
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Ashex,  :)
[06:04] <Dr_willis> ya can set it up do scroll anywhere on the desktop that way.. or over the desk-pager
[06:07] <ubuntu> In edgy eft, does anyone know how to turn off the bouncy cursor icons when a program is loading?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> Thats a kde panel/feedback settings - in the menus/somewhere. :)
[06:09] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu: go in to the control panel, then look in appearance fo 'launch feedback"
[06:09] <Dr_willis> ricght click on the panel, look in those menus :)
[06:09] <Dr_willis> "Linux: Explore your OS" :)
[06:11] <ubuntu> That's funny, that's where I was looking, but it is definitely not there.  I just have Colors, Fonts, GTK Styles and Fonts, Font Installer, Icons, Style, and Window Decoration.
[06:12] <Ashex> in edgy?
[06:13] <Ashex> I want to say style>effects in appearance
[06:14] <ubuntu> Ashex: It's not there either.
[06:15] <ubuntu> Strange thing is if I type feedback in the search textarea, It says that there is one found in General, but all the icons are gray.
[06:17] <Ashex> yeah, i'm not finding it
[06:19] <ubuntu> Ashex: when you click on Monitor & Display, do you get the message "The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded"?
[06:20] <Ashex> Yup
[06:20] <Ashex> weird, worked before for me
[06:21] <us> Has anyone here used systemrescuecd?
[06:22] <moj0rising> it is a cd with a lot of (guess) recue tools.
[06:22] <moj0rising> rescue
[06:24] <mrvw0169> ubuntu: hit alt+f2, type in kcontrol
[06:24] <mrvw0169> look at appearance>launch feedback
[06:24] <Dr_willis> systemrescuecd - has saved my backside a few times. :)
[06:24] <jbeitler> hello hello
[06:25] <ubuntu> mrvw0169: ah thank you.  That bouncy icon was going to drive me crazy.
[06:25] <mrvw0169> lol
[06:25] <Dr_willis> Phear the Bouncy Icon!
[06:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:26] <ubuntu> Interestingly I don't get an error when going to Monitor & Display via kcontrol.
[06:28] <_pansatoy_> hello
[06:28] <Dr_willis> Moo!
[06:28] <BonBonTheJon> moo?
[06:29] <Dr_willis> Muu!
[06:29] <Dr_willis> fortune | cowsay
[06:29] <en1gma> hey all got a Q
[06:30] <en1gma> what amount of space do i need to a hd install
[06:30] <unix_infidel> how much do you have?
[06:30] <BonBonTheJon> en1gma: it depends on how much you want to put on it
[06:30] <BonBonTheJon> en1gma: you could do as little as maybe 5GB
[06:31] <en1gma> i have a 2gig hd that has a 512MB swap
[06:31] <en1gma> as little as 5GB???????
[06:31] <unix_infidel> en1gma: how much physical RAM
[06:31] <en1gma> 256mb
[06:31] <judgen> where can i get cgwd for edgy?
[06:31] <en1gma> and a 2.8ghz ht proc
[06:31] <unix_infidel> en1gma: you wont be able to put gnome or kde on there.
[06:31] <en1gma> bad mix eh
[06:31] <en1gma> crap i was wanting kde
[06:32] <BonBonTheJon> en1gma: it should work on 2gig, but you'll be very restricted
[06:32] <unix_infidel> en1gma: RAM is expensive currently.
[06:32] <en1gma> maybe i shouldnt do kubuntu
[06:32] <Hawkwind> !info cgwd edgy
[06:32] <ubotu> Package cgwd does not exist in edgy
[06:32] <Hawkwind> judgen: Doesn't seem to be in any repo.  Probably have to search google for it
[06:33] <judgen> what do i use instead then?
[06:33] <judgen> does not compiz/xgl depend on it?
[06:33] <MotorCitymadMan> helo:error using k3b:Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root. ISO burned fine. this can be ignored or does this need action ?
[06:34] <Hawkwind> judgen: Might ask in #Ubuntu+1 since that is the Edgy channel or in #Ubuntu-XGL
[06:35] <T3hWiz0rd> errr isn't tihs a dapper channel?
[06:35] <Hawkwind> T3hWiz0rd: More or less in a lot of ways.  But if we know the answer to Edgy questions we would certainly answer them
[06:41] <digivore> how do i install a .rpm file?
[06:42] <tupac>
[06:43] <digivore> !rpm
[06:43] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[06:44] <Hawkwind> digivore: You don't install rpm's on Kubuntu.  You use .deb files
[06:44] <judgen> hmm i only have xgl in windowed mode.. and kdm seems to have borked completley
[06:44] <Hawkwind> digivore: I wouldn't recommend using alien at all.
[06:47] <ricky> how is the world today?
[06:47] <ashwin_> boring
[06:47] <ricky> spinning around of course
[06:48] <ricky> why boring
[06:48] <jita> How to remove openoffice office sompletely so that it wont show up while doing dist-upgrade?
[06:49] <Ashex> anyone have experience sharing a printer in samba?
[06:49] <Ashex> I'm using kcontrol to set it up
[06:49] <Ashex> I've gotten it to the point of where I can add the printer on my laptop
[06:49] <Ashex> but I get access denied
[06:51] <ricky> wath stands  kubuntu for? (pardon my ask)
[06:52] <T3hWiz0rd> ricky: ubuntu means kindness to humans
[06:52] <Ashex> K stands for KDE
[06:53] <ricky> ok fine
[06:54] <ricky> this is mexico   ( where all of you you are)
[06:54] <seishinbyou> what's this, we all magically transported to Mexico?
[06:54] <Ashex> tequila!
[06:54] <ricky> yes you are
[06:55] <ricky> tequila sounds good
[06:55] <seishinbyou> just finished lunch...tequila might not be bad
[06:55] <ricky> cerveza sounds better
[06:55] <seishinbyou> probably not a good idea at work, though
[06:55] <ricky> beer i meant
[06:56] <ricky> ok pal
[06:56] <seishinbyou> It isn't an insult
[06:56] <mando> hey cvirus!
[06:57] <seishinbyou> I honestly don't know much about Mexico
[06:57] <ricky> dont worry
[06:57] <mando> u there dude?
[06:57] <lenore> ricky: is your native language spanish ?
[06:57] <mando> guys how can i register so i can pm?
[06:57] <ricky> enrique
[06:57] <ricky> si hablo espaol
[06:57] <NameNomad> !format
[06:57] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[06:58] <ricky> i speack spanish
[06:58] <mando> anyone speaks deutsch?
[06:58] <ricky> not me sorry mando
[06:58] <mando> i'm learning deutsch
[06:59] <lenore> ricky: is that "normal" spanish or some variation of spanish... is exactly the same spanish as spoken in Spain ?
[06:59] <ricky> where you from dude?
[06:59] <mando> who me?
[06:59] <ricky> yes i can speak and understand all kinds of spanish is not hard to (leonore)
[07:00] <seishinbyou> mi to es enfermo pero la carretera es verde
[07:00] <ricky> but....spanish of mexico have influences of native language (nahuatl) and english too
[07:01] <NameNomad> how can I format a slave harddrive?
[07:01] <ricky> is kind of crumbble (if you know watha i mean lol
[07:01] <lenore> ricky: ah, okay, so not exactly the same as spanish Spanish
[07:01] <ricky> no
[07:02] <ricky> for example
[07:02] <ricky> you said: me gusta comer guajolote (lol) that mean i like turkey meat
[07:03] <seishinbyou> But maybe he really does like turkey meat
[07:03] <ricky> lol
[07:04] <lenore> ricky: I can't PM you... if you would like a paid job translating some web pages please send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>... sorry to everyone else for being off-topic
[07:04] <dude> mando: hello
[07:04] <dude> ricky: hello
[07:04] <dude> ricky: philippines
[07:04] <Martijn81> lol@edgy-> $ sudo aptitude update [enter]  sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Oct 20 08:55:53 2006
[07:04] <ricky> ok sorry too i didnt meant to disturb sorry
[07:05] <ricky> hi phillippins
[07:05] <seishinbyou>
[07:05] <NameNomad> how can I format my extra hardrive?
[07:05] <Ashex> bah, i give up
[07:05] <ricky> seishinbyou whats that?
[07:05] <Ashex> I'll just wait for an edgy tut
[07:05] <ricky> hi dude
[07:06] <mando> hey dude
[07:06] <dude> ricly: hello
[07:06] <dude> mando: yo
[07:06] <seishinbyou> ricky: just a crazy moon language
[07:06] <mando> yo
[07:06] <mando> lsn guys i have a question
[07:07] <mando> how come i can find the wireless networks but can communicate with it?
[07:07] <lenore> NameNomad: in a shell... mkfs -j /dev/xxxx ... where xxxx is the other partition on the extra harddrive (presumably it's already partitioned, of course)
[07:07] <mando> the wirless assistant finds the networks, and i'm sure i've entered the encryption key correctly, however it still fails to connect
[07:08] <lenore> mando: they are probably encrypted, so you would need to know the WEP key, and also probably the ESSID for the access point
[07:08] <mando> the LED on the router doesnt flicker so i dont think its communicating with the laptop
[07:08] <T3hWiz0rd> wireless on linux... its one of the things linux is going to have to overcome.
[07:08] <ricky> ok seishinbyou
[07:08] <mando> wizard? is that fred?
[07:09] <lenore> mando: what about the ESSID and the right channel number etc?
[07:09] <seishinbyou> oops
[07:09] <mando> hmm.. havent really done anything with that
[07:10] <mando> let me try it out
[07:10] <ricky> hi dude
[07:10] <rcarr> Hi
[07:10] <mando> whats the ESSID?
[07:10] <mando> the name of the network right?
[07:11] <dude> hello ricky
[07:11] <ricky> leonore check private please
[07:14] <ricky> oh no private room didnt work out leonore any way i already have you on my hotmail
[07:15] <thompa> i could only boot with noapic, whats that mean I got to do anything else?
[07:16] <thompa> !apic
[07:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:16] <dude> is there a startup disk in ubuntu?
[07:16] <thompa> dude: what do you mean?
[07:16] <rcarr> What do you mean "dude" like a disk to boot from
[07:17] <rcarr> if your system is hosed?
[07:17] <thompa> there is a live cd
[07:17] <thompa> the same one
[07:17] <ricky> see you guys  nice to meet all of yuo wiil be on contac leonore
[07:17] <dude> thompa: so i can use the live cd as a startup disk?
[07:17] <rcarr> Why do you need the disk
[07:17] <NameNomad> !mount
[07:17] <rcarr> to startup ubuntu?
[07:17] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[07:18] <thompa> are you running windows?
[07:18] <thompa> anybody know what the noapic boot does?
[07:19] <dude> what if my system crashes? do i have to install whole OS again?
[07:19] <rcarr> apic is an interupt controller from intel for use with SMP setups
[07:19] <rcarr> noapic boot disables it
[07:19] <thompa> rcarr: im running duo core
[07:19] <rcarr> if you only have a single core/processor you should be fine without it
[07:19] <rcarr> Ah, then that would be somethingn you want to use both cores
[07:20] <thompa> i could not boot otherwise on 64 bit kubunt rc
[07:20] <rcarr> I would not run 64 bit on a duo core
[07:20] <dude> thompa: what if my system crashes? do i have to install the whole OS again?
[07:20] <thompa> if i just install it what happens
[07:20] <rcarr> Intels EMT64 on most of it's non server processors
[07:20] <rcarr> really sucks
[07:20] <thompa> dude: what OS, windos?
[07:20] <dude> kubuntu
[07:20] <dude> thompa: kubuntu
[07:21] <rcarr> Dude, generally crashes with linux don't involve having to do that
[07:21] <rcarr> the worst case is you can boot from a live cd
[07:21] <rcarr> downloadable from the site
[07:21] <thompa> just bach up /home directory , Email, and docs if you want
[07:21] <rcarr> and mount your install
[07:21] <rcarr> then run the command chroot
[07:22] <thompa> rcarr: is there some way to get duo core going by installing
[07:22] <rcarr> which, as implied by the name, you can set the / path to another folder
[07:22] <rcarr> and it's like interacting with your system
[07:22] <rcarr> no matter how borked it is
 and mount your install <--- ? wwhat do you mean?
[07:22] <rcarr> thompa: Your problem was the livecd would not boot without noapic?
[07:22] <rcarr> Dude: When you install, you install to a physical device, like a hard drive, right?
[07:23] <dude> ok
[07:23] <rcarr> this is represented in the /dev folder by something like
[07:23] <rcarr>  /dev/hda2, or /dev/sda3, etc
[07:23] <rcarr> so you can run the command
[07:23] <rcarr> mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/MyInstall
[07:23] <rcarr> to mount the device represented by hda2 at the folder MyInstall
[07:23] <rcarr> so MyInstall becomes the top level directory of that file system
[07:24] <rcarr> located at /mnt/MyInstall
[07:24] <dude> rcarr: ok, so boot from the live cd, then chroot
[07:24] <rcarr> right
[07:24] <rcarr> in most cases, you probably don't have to chroot
[07:24] <rcarr> just mount it and screw around with files
[07:24] <rcarr> but if you need to interact with programs that are on the broken install, chrooting might be the best idea
[07:24] <dude> rcarr: ok copy
[07:25] <dude> rcarr: ok copy, tnx
[07:25] <rcarr> No problem
[07:26] <dude> rcarr: my system crashes 3X
[07:26] <dude> rcarr: because i installed the worng video card driver
[07:27] <dude> Dr_Willis: hello
[07:27] <rcarr> dude: you shouldn't need to do all the live cd stuff for things like that
[07:27] <Dr_willis> howdy
[07:27] <rcarr> once you boot your system, you get a console login prompt, right?
[07:28] <rcarr> you can login like normal, and run: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:28] <dude> rcarr: ok, i'll try that one
[07:28] <rcarr> and find something that looks like Section "Device"
[07:28] <rcarr> identified "Video card name"
[07:28] <rcarr> etc
[07:28] <rcarr> and change the driver entry to  a safe driver
[07:29] <rcarr> vesa is always safe, but for ati just use "ati" and nvidia "nv"
[07:29] <rcarr> it's pretty much guranteed to work
[07:29] <rcarr> or run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[07:29] <rcarr> for an interface to guide you through it
[07:29] <dude> rcarr: ok, copy that...tnx again
[07:29] <rcarr> a console based interface that is
[07:29] <rcarr> no problem
[07:30] <rcarr> I should stop breaking up my messages and spamming everyone, sorry about that
[07:30] <Dr_willis> its ok.. :P
[07:31] <Dr_willis> we know dude needs all the help he can get.
[07:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:31] <dude> :)
[07:31] <dude> actually, im learnig...
[07:31] <dude> :)
[07:31] <dude> sudo command
[07:31] <Dr_willis> I just sit in these channels some days.. and wonder.. HOW did they break that!
[07:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:31] <dude> hehehe
[07:32] <Dr_willis> at least you dident add a user by the name of 'root' during the install.
[07:32] <dude> :)
[07:32] <dude> chroot
[07:39] <Dr_willis> the chroot of all evil.
[07:40] <rcarr> ...desperately trying to start conversation?
[07:40] <rcarr> We could talk about yakuake
[07:40] <rcarr> and how it is a gift from god
[07:41] <dude> yakuake?
[07:41] <rcarr> It is a program that gives you a tabbed set of shells
[07:41] <rcarr> similar to konsole
[07:41] <rcarr> but when you press f12
[07:42] <rcarr> it slides down from the top of the screen
[07:42] <rcarr> then you press f12 again and it slides back up
[07:42] <rcarr> I think the name comes from "kuake" "quake"
[07:42] <rcarr> and the similar behavior of the console int he game
[07:46] <dude> yakuake is cool
[07:46] <dude> hehehe
[07:47] <dude> rccar: so i have to load yakuake everytime i open my box to be abale to enable F12?
[07:48] <dude> rccar: so i have to load yakuake everytime i open my box to be able to use F12?
[07:50] <dude> hello
[07:50] <Dr_willis> dude,   add it to the kde sessions if its not beign saved.. so it auto-runs
[07:50] <dude> ?
[07:51] <dude> :)
[07:51] <dude> how do i do that? sorry
[07:51] <Dr_willis> look in the menus under session
[07:51] <pacman> Just thought I'd share this....a friend posted this on my website about MSIE 7.0
[07:51] <Dr_willis> kde is supposed to save whats running when you logout and save it to a session.
[07:51] <pacman> What I'm having issues with is IE hijacking the first tab... always sending to a Microsoft URL.
[07:51] <pacman> my response: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[07:51] <Dr_willis> dude,  may want to track down a few kde tutorials/guides.. i aint on kde at the moment.. so cant tell ya where
[07:53] <dude> Dr_Willis: i think it will saved automatically when i open my box
[07:53] <dude> it depends maybe if i teminate yakuake after in shutdown
[07:53] <Solveneq> Hey guys, here's something: If i go to load an application, Ubuntu will seem like its loading something, then nothing happens... anyone have this issue?
[07:53] <dude> it depends maybe if i teminate yakuake after i shutdown
[07:53] <rcarr> Hi dude, sorry about that was working on something
[07:53] <rcarr> but if you log out without killing yakuake
[07:53] <rcarr> it should automatically load up next time you log in
[07:53] <rcarr> if it doesn't you can create a file in ~/.kde/Autostart
[07:54] <draik> I have an issue that I wonder if anyone else has had. My laptop won't turn off (complete power down) when I tell Kubuntu to shutdown. Any ideas?
[07:54] <rcarr> and name it anything, and just have it contain:
[07:54] <rcarr> #!/bin/sh
[07:54] <rcarr> on the first line
[07:54] <rcarr> and
[07:54] <rcarr> yakuake
[07:54] <rcarr> on the second line
[07:55] <Dr_willis> draik,  ive always found suspend/sleep on laptops to be flakey.. but that sounds like an apci issue if its not pwoering off  when you tell it to shutdown.
[07:56] <rcarr> acpi and apic should have more differentiated names
[07:56] <Dr_willis> rcarr,  yep.. i agree there
[07:56] <Dr_willis> it could be an apic and apci issue
[07:56] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:57] <Dr_willis> try noapic and noapci options
[07:57] <Solveneq> It only happens every so often
[07:57] <draik> Dr_willis, what would you recommend to do? Or is there even a fix?
[07:58] <Dr_willis> draik,  last time my laptop had that iussue.. a newer kernel eventually fixed it.
[07:58] <draik> I have 3.5.5
[07:58] <Dr_willis> or google for that  laptop.
[07:58] <draik> This has happened since 3.5.2
[07:58] <dude> aside from krdc, terminal server client, any other recomendation?
[07:58] <Dr_willis> 3.5.5 - is the KDE version.. not the  kernel version..  if its a KDE issue.. log out of KDE.. then stop the kdm service.. then try the halt command.
[07:59] <Dr_willis> could be the diffrent kde's are using some other command to halt the system
[07:59] <Dr_willis> dude,  recomdations for what?
[07:59] <dude> remote desktop
[07:59] <Dr_willis> I use vnc mainly
[08:00] <draik> sorry, I'm a bit lost ATM... too many issues with my sis's winxp on my network
[08:00] <Dr_willis> vnc4server for the most part.
[08:00] <draik> Dr_willis ^^
[08:00] <rcarr> An less error prone alternative
[08:00] <rcarr> is x11vnc
[08:00] <rcarr> as it is pretty much zero configuration
[08:01] <Dr_willis> if it does what you want.. :P
[08:01] <Dr_willis> i found x11vnc slower.. and it dident work how i wanted it.
[08:01] <rcarr> another alternative is, ssh, while not providing a remote desktop you can connect with "X11 tunelling" and run graphical programs on the remote computer
[08:01] <rcarr> on the local computers xserver
[08:01] <rcarr> but not an entire desktop enviroment
[08:01] <rcarr> Ah, I have not experimented much with either to be honest
[08:02] <Dr_willis> Yep.. thees 12+ ways to do this stuff..
[08:02] <Dr_willis> and vnc has 12++ ways to do the vncish stuff. :)
[08:02] <Dr_willis> i got a machins set where when i vnc to it. it spawns a gdm login on the vncsession.
[08:03] <Dr_willis> and which port i vnc into. sets the res/depth of the vncserver display
[08:07] <Pazitron_Brain> Hello, where I can download the kubuntu sources? On the www.kubuntu.org I don't find it. I want to build distribution for russian "occidentalism", which based on kubuntu.
[08:10] <Jucato> Pazitron_Brain: in your sources.list, enable the "deb-src" repositories. the update. then you will be able to download the source for a package by doing "sudo apt-get source <package>"
[08:10] <kraut> moin
[08:10] <Pazitron_Brain> Ok, thanks.
[08:12] <draik> I have my 2 Kubuntu systems on my network with assigned IP addresses (no DHCP). Would that cause the 3rd computer to not be able to connect, even if the router is set for DHCP?
[08:15] <rcarr> I don't think so, networking isn't my thing though
[08:15] <draik> hmmm
[08:15] <rcarr> it seems remotely possible that the router could be trying to assign an IP taken by one of the  static systems
[08:16] <rcarr> but, I don't think that would happen
[08:16] <draik> sister is getting on my nerves and can't get her to STFU so that I can fix the issue
[08:16] <draik> back to dynamic I go, I suppose
[08:21] <draik_> Well, by going to DHCP, I don't get an IP assigned.
[08:22] <draik> and even if I     sudo ifconfig eth0 123.456.789.101      I can't go online
[08:25] <rcarr> Mm
[08:26] <rcarr> just to make sure
[08:26] <rcarr> one of the kubuntu boxes
[08:26] <rcarr> isn't running a dhcp server, is it/
[08:26] <draik> no
[08:26] <draik> I have a router
[08:26] <draik> kubuntu laptop... this kubuntu desktop... sister's winxp desktop
[08:27] <rcarr> Ah, because what I was thinking was
[08:27] <rcarr> you might have installed something that had a dhcp server as a dependency
[08:27] <rcarr> like ltsp
[08:28] <rcarr> and your sisters computer was trying to grab an ip from that
[08:28] <rcarr> rather than the router
[08:28] <samuel_> even when im not doing anything my internet is downloading hardout under kubuntu, any ideas why? does kubuntu auto update?
[08:29] <rcarr> samuel, it won't update without you giving your password and confirming it, so no
[08:29] <draik> rcarr, I was able to connect before without any special settings on my behalf. Now, I have to assign IPs to my kubuntu systems
[08:29] <rcarr> Which would seem to be consistent with something hijacking the DHCP
[08:29] <rcarr> but certainlly not the only possibility
[08:30] <rcarr> I would check that you don't have something containing "dhcp" in /etc/init.d on either of the kubuntu boxes
[08:30] <draik> I doubt it. I don't have anything worth anything on my computers and my sis... well, she's just special in her own way
[08:30] <draik> will do
[08:30] <draik> 1 sec
[08:32] <draik> I'm  looking in that directory and find nothing with DHCP
[08:33] <draik> rcarr, anything else that I should look at?
[08:34] <rcarr> mm, nothing is springing to mind
[08:35] <draik> I was on my winxp partition using photoshop and I didn't have an IP in winxp. I just said "F it" and deal with it when the next blue moon comes around
[08:36] <rcarr> Mm
[08:36] <draik> The weird thing is that I won't get an IP address from the router if I set the Network Settings in Kubuntu to DHCP
[08:40] <rcarr> I don't know, it really sounds like a rogue dhcp server, but that doesn't seem to be a possibility
[08:41] <draik> reset the router to default settings?
[08:41] <draik> errr... default to factory, I mean
[08:41] <Zaire> just a quick question...where is the grub bootloader I want to edit it so I can have it boot straight to cli
[08:41] <draik> Zaire, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:42] <Zaire> a router should have a reset button on it
[08:42] <Zaire> very obscure and tiny
[08:42] <Zaire> and thnks lol
[08:42] <rcarr> and you have to hold it down for a long time
[08:42] <draik> It does, but I can also do it from my desktop.
[08:42] <rcarr> to reset to factory settings normally
[08:42] <Zaire> yea
[08:42] <rcarr> zaire: having it boot to a shell
[08:42] <Zaire> yes
[08:42] <draik> I am my own NetAdmin
[08:42] <Zaire> like plain run level 3
[08:43] <rcarr> I guess that works, but make sure you set a root password, as kubuntu doesn't have one by default
[08:43] <draik> ok, on my laptop, I just set it to DHCP and I have no IP address from the router
[08:43] <rcarr> and if you have grub do that, it will just log you in as root
[08:43] <draik> to set a root password, type                 sudo passwd root
[08:43] <Zaire> unless its run level 3 thats a standard
[08:43] <draik> from there just enter the password you want for root and you're all set
[08:44] <Zaire> and yea I know about root its already set
[08:44] <draik> cool
[08:44] <draik> any ideas about obtaining an IP?
[08:44] <Zaire> I run a web server
[08:44] <rcarr> Ah, ok
[08:44] <draik> nice
[08:45] <draik> I'm hoping to run a web server once I get a better understanding of Kubuntu as a web server and such
[08:45] <Zaire> some of its very easy the pain is mysql and php
[08:45] <draik> what is the equivilance to winxp's  "ipconfig /renew" in Kubuntu?
[08:45] <Zaire> sudo ifconfig
[08:46] <Zaire> my website is http://foxfire.hopto.org
[08:48] <draik> sweet mods Zaire
[08:48] <Zaire> thanks lol my custom I plan to do more just need more funds at the moment
[08:51] <draik> You're welcome
[08:51] <draik> This is such a bummer that I can't figure this out
[08:51] <draik> DHCP won't assign me an IP
[08:51] <draik> what gives?
[08:51] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: kick it in the nuts.
[08:51] <Zaire> hmm
[08:51] <Zaire> lol
[08:51] <draik> I wish T3hWiz0rd
[08:51] <T3hWiz0rd> excuse me, im on vicodin for injuries right now
[08:51] <T3hWiz0rd> and that was the most impulsively stupid thing i've done in over two hours
[08:51] <Zaire> ok the boot loader for kubuntu is much more complex then the redhat9 boot loader
[08:51] <Zaire> how do I change this
[08:51] <T3hWiz0rd> Zaire: complex = 1337, redhat = sux
[08:51] <Zaire> ....yea to an extent it has a few plus sides
[08:51] <Zaire> not many but a few
[08:51] <rcarr> Well TehWizord
[08:51] <T3hWiz0rd> Zaire: don't get me wrong though, I was redhat myslef once. Redhat 8 was my first linux distro.
[08:52] <rcarr> Eh, nevermind
[08:52] <Zaire> mandrake 9.2 was my first lol
[08:52] <rcarr> no picking on someone high on vicodin
[08:52] <rcarr> I think redhat 8 was my first as well
[08:52] <rcarr> I was like 8
[08:52] <rcarr> or 7, one of the two
[08:52] <T3hWiz0rd> Zaire: was redhat to fedora 1 & 2, stopped my linux usage for a while out of frustration... came back to Fedora core 3, got mad again, went back to windows, came back to Kubuntu 6.0, then suse 10.0, 10.1 back to kubuntu now.
[08:52] <Zaire> yea fedora sux
[08:52] <T3hWiz0rd> rcarr: im not high by choice i was hit by a semi
[08:53] <Zaire> their enterprise editions aren't much better
[08:53] <T3hWiz0rd> Zaire: fedora core doens't suck so much as its in a perminent beta stage.
[08:53] <T3hWiz0rd> now suse 10.1... talk about driving your product into a pit of death.
[08:53] <Zaire> lol yea
[08:53] <Zaire> I have that one to
[08:53] <gary_> anyone in the mood to help a noob?
[08:53] <Zaire> depens
[08:53] <T3hWiz0rd> right now i run 10.0 on my server, and will always be a loyal lover to it. I hate 10,1, and replaced my desktop of it with Kubuntu 6.06.1
[08:54] <Jucato> ok guys let's try to stay on topic, specially when someone needs help
[08:54] <rcarr> Ow TehWizord, I wasn't implying you were though
[08:54] <Jucato> gary_: ask away. if someone knows the answer, they'll respond
[08:54] <T3hWiz0rd> Jucato: we're talking about linux isn't that *on topic*?
[08:54] <Jucato> T3hWiz0rd: not directly. this is the Kubuntu support channel.
[08:55] <gary_> I got kununtu edgy eft runing every thing was fin, then when i moved my computer, opera and firefox won't connect anymore
[08:55] <Jucato> offtopic chat might be ok from time to time. just make sure that you don't neglect some support questions
[08:55] <Zaire> sounds like a lan issue or cat5 issue
[08:55] <T3hWiz0rd> Jucato: are you sure that you're dns is set up properly?
[08:55] <T3hWiz0rd> Jucato: ping your local IP addresses, then ping <IP_ADDRESS>, then ping google.com
[08:55] <T3hWiz0rd> if one of those fails it narrows the problem down
[08:56] <dude> hello guys
[08:56] <gary_> how do i do that?
[08:56] <T3hWiz0rd> son of agun
[08:56] <T3hWiz0rd> gary_: open up a terminal window and type ifconfig
[08:56] <T3hWiz0rd> see what your local address is and ping your default gateway
[08:57] <T3hWiz0rd> if that works, next step is to ping an outside IP address... so type ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:57] <T3hWiz0rd> if that works, try a DNS address... ping google.com
[08:57] <Zaire> ummm if I do an apt-get remove --purge on kubuntu-desktop should that remove the gui all together cause I most likely won't need it
[08:57] <T3hWiz0rd> if that fails, we know your DNS servers are wrong.
[08:57] <T3hWiz0rd> Zaire: or it will eat your liver
[08:57] <T3hWiz0rd> either way, fun times.
[08:57] <draik> It's better if you type     ping -c 4 <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:57] <draik> it will go on forever without stating -c #
[08:57] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: yeah sorry forgot he may not be able to break it.
[08:58] <Zaire> well cause for me my server only needs to be commandline gui just takes up space and ram
[08:58] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: used to running pings on sucky wind0wz boxes where its quit ethe opposite lol
[08:58] <draik> oh yea
[08:58] <T3hWiz0rd> Zaire: i don't see any problem with it at all... just be careful.
[08:58] <draik> I learned that in a funny way
[08:58] <draik> ..........
[08:58] <draik> ..............
[08:58] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: lol
[08:58] <draik> .............
[08:58] <gary_> it seems ok, btw, konquerer works fine
[08:58] <draik> Hey! Where's my list of sent/received???
[08:58] <draik> lol
[08:58] <T3hWiz0rd> haha...
[08:59] <Zaire> well i'll be back gonna swap back over to my main machine
[08:59] <T3hWiz0rd> gary_: then perhaps firefox and the operah directories just have invalid configs?
[08:59] <T3hWiz0rd> gary_: open a termianl window and type ping -c google.com
[08:59] <draik> ping -c 4 google.com
[09:00] <draik> you need the number of pings
[09:00] <draik> or "count" as they are called
[09:00] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: gerrr vicodin go easy on me lol
[09:00] <T3hWiz0rd> gary_: ping -c 4 google.com
[09:00] <gary_> ping: bad number of packets to transmit
[09:00] <T3hWiz0rd> gary_: yeah put it as ping -c 4 google.com
[09:00] <draik> lol, will do
[09:01] <draik> gary                ping -c 4 google.com
[09:01] <gary_> worked
[09:01] <T3hWiz0rd> t3hwiz0rd-server: good to see YOU'RE STILL ALIVE! you bucket lol
[09:01] <T3hWiz0rd> gary_: okay, so your DNS is set up right then.
[09:01] <gary_> cool
[09:01] <T3hWiz0rd> gary_: when this computer moved did you also change the port it was connected in on your router? (if any)
[09:02] <gary_> no, it's directly connected to a dsl modem
[09:02] <draik> in the off chance, check the installs
[09:02] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: if its DSL is ip also changes often
[09:02] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: perhaps have him dump the local user files for fox and opera?
[09:02] <gary_> static ip
[09:02] <draik> I mean the install of the apps he's using
[09:02] <T3hWiz0rd> ah okay...
[09:02] <T3hWiz0rd> gary_: lets try a reinstall
[09:02] <gary_> ok
[09:02] <T3hWiz0rd> gary_: in terminal sudo apt-get --purge remove firefox
[09:03] <T3hWiz0rd> gary_: let it finish and then sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:03] <T3hWiz0rd> psb154: well hes able to ping DNS
[09:03] <T3hWiz0rd> psb154: so the modems okay.
[09:03] <fdoving> gary_: does konqueror work?
[09:03] <T3hWiz0rd> fdoving: yup he said that does
[09:03] <draik> Hmmm... is it weird that my desktop has a "Hibernate" option when I choose to sign off?
[09:03] <T3hWiz0rd> fdoving: i am thinking it may be the local user files for fox?
[09:03] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: nah normal kubuntu
[09:03] <draik> ok
[09:03] <fdoving> gary_: did you configure firefox to use a proxy server?
[09:03] <draik> just making sure
[09:04] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: just realize if it goes into hibernate it'll empty the fridge first ;-) lol
[09:04] <draik> LOL
[09:04] <draik> Jucato, you're still around?
[09:04] <gary_> konqerer works, no proxy
[09:04] <Jucato> yep
[09:05] <draik> Feeling better?
[09:05] <T3hWiz0rd> gary_: you can always try reinstalling maybe...
[09:05] <Jucato> draik: just a bit
[09:05] <draik> good
[09:05] <gary_> reinstalled fox, brb
[09:05] <T3hWiz0rd> gary_: not common on linux but it happens
[09:05] <T3hWiz0rd> my room is moving
[09:05] <Jucato> draik: got your problem solved?
[09:05] <draik> Jucato, wanna fly over and help me?
[09:05] <draik> no, not fixed yet
[09:05] <T3hWiz0rd> Jucato: yeah right like he could manage that ;-)
[09:05] <T3hWiz0rd> Jucato: draik is his own problem :-P
[09:05] <Jucato> draik: lol :)
[09:05] <Jucato> @_@
[09:05] <fdoving> gary_: no proxy in firefox?
[09:06] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: <33 much love :-P
[09:06] <Zaire> back
[09:06] <T3hWiz0rd> Zaire: uninstall go smoothly?
[09:06] <gary_> i mean to say i didn't set any proxy up, it just worked
[09:06] <draik> T3hWiz0rd, You don't even know the half of that.
[09:06] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: hahaha
[09:06] <fdoving> gary_: check proxy settings for firefox please.
[09:06] <draik> I go by 3 names
[09:06] <Zaire> haven't done it yet just switched to my main machine
[09:06] <draik> my gf knows my real name
[09:06] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: ohh believe me i do i am a category five moron. wherever i walk a desaster shortly folloiws.
[09:07] <draik> another girl knows me by a 2nd name and a 3rd girl knows me by a 3rd name
[09:07] <draik> I must be a level 10 moron, I tend to attract Murphy
[09:07] <fdoving> !offtopic
[09:07] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:07] <Jucato> ooh fdoving... btw, your name always gives a picture of a dove in my head...
[09:07] <Jucato> (told you guys :P)
[09:08] <draik> Jucato, It's good to know it's not only me :-p
[09:08] <T3hWiz0rd> Jucato: such an overparanoia about that stuff.
[09:08] <fdoving> Jucato :)
[09:08] <gary_> it just says direct connect to internet
[09:08] <draik> Great, now I am not connecting to my eth0 device (USB Ethernet)
[09:08] <fdoving> gary_: ok, that's good.
[09:09] <Jucato> T3hWiz0rd: not really. there are some cases where valid, ontopic questions get ignored simply because of some offtopic conversation going on. not to mention some people tend to get a bit scared to ask if they see an ongoing conversation
[09:09] <draik> Network Settings doesn't even see eth0
[09:10] <seishinbyou> Question: Is it "legal" to use the MS Fonts (Japanese) in Ubuntu, or should I just keep quite about it?
[09:10] <draik> How do I get Kubuntu to see eth0
[09:10] <draik> ?
[09:10] <Zaire> restarting my server and hoping it doesn't crash
[09:10] <gary_> this happend when i first installed dapper, it seems that i chaneged something in about:config?
[09:10] <T3hWiz0rd> Zaire: wait i missed what you said t me i was seeing green dots in my head
[09:10] <T3hWiz0rd> Zaire: did the unijnstall of kubuntu-desktop work all okay?
[09:10] <Zaire> restarting my server and hoping it doesn't crash
[09:10] <Zaire> will find out soon
[09:11] <T3hWiz0rd> Zaire: alright lemme know.
[09:11] <Jucato> seishinbyou: I think it's legal. but that's just afaik
[09:11] <T3hWiz0rd> Zaire: i still have a hard time wanting to use kubuntu as my server though, let me know how that all turns out. Till then, i'll stick as suse
[09:11] <fdoving> gary_: you can try to move ~/.mozilla out of the way, and start with default settings. In a konsole (kmenu -> system > konsole) run 'mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.bak'
[09:11] <Zaire> works pretty good so far
[09:12] <T3hWiz0rd> fdoving: that was my original idea.
[09:12] <draik> What's faster? PCMCIA Ethernet card or USB Ethernet adapter?
[09:12] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: im going to say usb2 would be faster.
[09:12] <seishinbyou> T3hWiz0rd> The company where I work is currently using an Ubuntu box as the web server for the company site.  It works all right, I guess
[09:12] <T3hWiz0rd> but im probably wrong...
[09:12] <T3hWiz0rd> seishinbyou: i have a thing about loving YaST for server management... so i have a hard time wanting to give it up.
[09:12] <draik> hmmm
[09:13] <T3hWiz0rd> Jucato: i did answer.
[09:13] <draik> Jucato, I got 1 answer
[09:13] <Zaire> well Im logged back in via ssh so I take it Im safe
[09:13] <draik> LOL
[09:13] <T3hWiz0rd> 00:12 < draik> What's faster? PCMCIA Ethernet card or USB Ethernet adapter?
[09:13] <T3hWiz0rd> 00:12 < T3hWiz0rd> draik: im going to say usb2 would be faster.
[09:13] <rcarr> I'm not sure draik, try looking up both of the buses on wikipedia
[09:13] <rcarr> and check the speeds
[09:13] <fdoving> draik: usb2. pcmcia got a theoretically maximum of 160Mbps afaik.
[09:13] <Zaire> well my website is still runing
[09:13] <Jucato> heheh
[09:13] <T3hWiz0rd> Zaire: link me
[09:14] <Zaire> http://foxfire.hopto.org
[09:14] <seishinbyou> T3hWiz0rd> Yes, I know what you mean.  This Ubuntu server is only for fun I believe until the bofh gets back from holidays and sets it up his own way
[09:14] <T3hWiz0rd> interesting.
[09:16] <Zaire> all but a few of the images on the main and gallery page I made myself...I painstakingly did the animated one tonight
[09:16] <rcarr> I really like kubuntu for the desktop, but Idon't think I would use it for a server
[09:16] <rcarr> err, *ubuntu
[09:17] <T3hWiz0rd> rcarr: well that has officially helped make my mind up on sticking in the suse realm for servers
[09:18] <rcarr> I wouldn't use suse for a server either!
[09:18] <T3hWiz0rd> what really sucks is that i wish the ubuntu community and the novell community could get along so i didn't have to step on sacred ground when dealing with either.
[09:18] <rcarr> I think I would use FreeBSD for a server
[09:18] <fdoving> I use ubuntu for servers and it rocks:)
[09:18] <draik> I don't get it. Why can't I get an IP from DHCP???
[09:18] <seishinbyou> I might set one up as a Gaiji server for fun
[09:18] <fignew> Gaiji?
[09:19] <seishinbyou> sorry, quick explanation:
[09:19] <fdoving> draik: is the cable connected?
[09:19] <draik> Yes
[09:19] <seishinbyou> In the Japanese language, some people have characters in their name not in the standard educational character set
[09:19] <draik> fdoving, I have "connectivity" but for some reason I have nothing. It won't register my gateway.
[09:20] <seishinbyou> The SJIS code is sent to this server and the server returns a bitmap of the character
[09:20] <fdoving> draik: if you set a static ip, can you ping the dhcp-servers ip?
[09:20] <seishinbyou> It's not *that* exciting
[09:20] <draik> fdoving, If I set it up through "manual" I can go online. But if I go through "automatic" I'm screwed for gateway and IP
[09:21] <Jucato> for me it is :P
[09:21] <seishinbyou> We have one guy in our office right now with a non-standard character in his name.   Really messed up the payroll system first month.
[09:21] <fdoving> draik: i'm thinking maybe a dhcp-server problem? is it a router? did you try to restart it?
[09:21] <draik> Yes, it's a router
[09:21] <draik> I will restart in just a sec
[09:24] <draik> Ok, well here goes
[09:25] <draik> I'm going to go restart my router
[09:25] <draik> fdoving, would you think a simple router restart would work or should I do a complete power cycle of my router and modem?
[09:25] <rcarr> still the same problem?
[09:26] <Jucato> problem never went away I guess :P
[09:26] <fdoving> draik: simple restart should work if it has dhcp-server problems.
[09:26] <draik> 10-4
[09:27] <draik> ok
[09:27] <draik> ok
[09:27] <fdoving> ok?
[09:27] <draik> I'm bacik
[09:27] <draik> *back
[09:28] <fdoving> i'll have to do a reboot to do some partition magic. brb.
[09:28] <draik> time to see if my laptop can go DHCP
[09:28] <rcarr> I'm on the edge of my seat
[09:28] <gary_> hey guys, I've been trying to get my browsers working, and just realized synapic won't connect either
[09:28] <draik> LOL @ Jucato
[09:29] <rcarr> *is crushed against the edge of his desk*
[09:29] <Jucato> heh :)
[09:29] <rcarr> Man, this is an Edgy conversation
[09:29] <rcarr> like an Eft
[09:29] <rcarr> haha
[09:29] <rcarr> hahahaha
[09:29] <rcarr> harhar...yeah no
[09:29] <draik> lol
[09:29] <draik> I think it's the lack of sleep
[09:29] <rcarr> It's 3:33 here...
[09:29] <rcarr> AM
[09:30] <draik> 12:30am here
[09:30] <Jucato> lol.. rcarr  is on EST
[09:30] <draik> You're in the EST
[09:30] <draik> yup, LOL
[09:30] <rcarr> Yay east coast!
[09:30] <draik> I'm Pacific
[09:31] <rcarr> I thought you were somewhere ELSE with a four hour time difference from EST
[09:31] <rcarr> like the moon
[09:31] <esas> I have made a php code and i want to set in that code a table, and in that table i want to set a php code again , but i don't now how i must do that???
[09:32] <rcarr> India jucato?
[09:32] <draik> nope
[09:32] <rcarr> Kazakhstan, Pakistan, that area?
[09:32] <draik> try again rcarr
[09:32] <rcarr> too lazy to check your IP
[09:32] <Jucato> lol
[09:32] <Jucato> .ph
[09:32] <Jucato> Philippines
[09:32] <rcarr> Ah
[09:33] <esas> i've altready made the table and everything but there's an error that say's there un unexpected "<" it's the < from the table so i cant delete this<
[09:33] <rcarr> I thought that was Est + 14
[09:33] <Jucato> nah. 12 hours exactly
[09:33] <draik> I wish my phone could support more javascripting that it does now. I want to use the online version of IRC while I'm away Halloween and Thxgiving
[09:34] <Jucato> jmirc?
[09:35] <draik> cross your fingers/toes/etc... I'm setting up the laptop for DHCP again
[09:35] <rcarr> !!
[09:35] <rcarr> Quick, sacrifice 12 goats and 3 virgin pigs!
[09:35] <draik> I just hope I get an IP address and that it recognizes the darn gateway
[09:36] <rcarr> *stains chalk in blood*
[09:36] <draik> LOL
[09:36] <rcarr> *of Gentoo users*
[09:36] <Jucato> O_o
[09:36] <draik> WOO-freaking-HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:36] <rcarr> It worked?
[09:36] <rcarr> It must have been the gentoo ricers
[09:36] <rcarr> err, users
[09:36] <rcarr> blood
[09:36] <draik> Yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:36] <Jucato> ooh hi jende
[09:37] <jende> Jucato: good Morning, my friend! How are ya?
[09:37] <Jucato> jende: feeling a bit better. still not fully well though
[09:37] <jende> Jucato: at least you recover
[09:38] <Ademan> how can i find out the currently running wm?
[09:38] <jende> Ademan: wm?
[09:38] <Ademan> window manager
[09:38] <Jucato> Ademan: if you're using default KDE, then it's KWin
[09:38] <rcarr> err, I suppose you could run
[09:38] <jende> Ademan: Help-> About
[09:38] <rcarr> ps -A
[09:38] <Ademan> i'm not on KDE, just people in #ubuntu are useless :-p
[09:38] <Jucato> jende: that would show the running DE, not the running WM
[09:39] <sredna> I have a bug related to fonts: The font installer can't show the oblique fonts, neither can kfontinstaller, nor are they selected for printing :(
[09:39] <rcarr> Ademan, on gnome?
[09:39] <draik> Jucato, time for the desktop
[09:39] <Jucato> Ademan: like what rcarr said. ps -A. check for names like kwin, metacity, etc
[09:39] <Ademan> rcarr: yes, i'm trying to get beryl up, but i'm pretty sure its not running
[09:39] <Jucato> good luck draik
[09:39] <sredna> I don't know if this is specific to kubuntu, or if anyone else have the problem
[09:39] <draik> Thanks
[09:39] <sredna> Can anyone confirm?
[09:39] <rcarr> Ah,
[09:39] <rcarr> How did you try and start it?
[09:40] <rcarr> for beryl you should have "emerald" and "beryl" showing up in ps -A
[09:40] <rcarr> emerald is the window decorator, and beryl the manager
[09:40] <Ademan> i didnt really, i just started up x (startx) from a tty because for God knows what reason, x doesnt start, and i don't get the login screen by default anymore
[09:40] <jende> Jucato: I had just one coffee so far, so I'm not really awake yet...*g*
[09:40] <rcarr> Ok Ademan, rather than
[09:40] <rcarr> "startx"
[09:41] <rcarr> You are using ubuntu vanilla right? with gnome?
[09:41] <Ademan> and of course, from the login screen i'd just choose a beryl session, but i dont even get that...
[09:41] <rcarr> start "gdm" with sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[09:41] <Ademan> heh
[09:41] <rcarr> and you gete a login screen
[09:41] <Ademan> doesnt do ANYTHING
[09:41] <rcarr> ah
[09:41] <Ademan> tried start stop restart
[09:41] <Ademan> none of them even have any output
[09:41] <rcarr> ps -A | grep gdm
[09:41] <rcarr> ?
[09:41] <draik_> Hello?
[09:41] <Ademan> i opened up the file, and it looked alright
[09:41] <draik_> Hello?
[09:41] <rcarr> ?olleH
[09:42] <draik_> Ugh
[09:42] <Ademan> rcarr: no nothing about gdm
[09:42] <Ademan> wonder if its gdm thats not starting?
[09:42] <Jucato> draik: what?
[09:42] <draik_> draik is a ghost
[09:42] <rcarr> Try just running it
[09:42] <rcarr> i.e. sudo gdm
[09:42] <draik_> Jucato, how do I get rid of my ghost?
[09:42] <Ademan> command not found
[09:42] <Ademan> i think you gotta start it the way you said
[09:42] <Jucato> draik: /msg NickServ GHOST <nick> <password>
[09:42] <rcarr> well, not if it works anythinglg ike kdm
[09:42] <rcarr> type gdm, then hit tab twice for tab completion
[09:42] <rcarr> what options does it give you?
[09:43] <draik> PERFECT
[09:43] <rcarr> I guess the executable just isn't named gdm
[09:43] <draik> all is good
[09:43] <fignew> /msg NickServ identify crazynas
[09:43] <Jucato> ooh
[09:43] <draik> fdoving, thatnk you
[09:43] <fignew> ;)
[09:43] <Jucato> someone needs to change his password :P
[09:43] <draik> errr, fdoving, thank you
[09:43] <draik> LOL
[09:43] <Ademan> rcarr: gave me gdm-signal
[09:43] <rcarr> Mm, I don't think that's it