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[10:10] <mohammads> Hello everyone
[10:10] <mohammads> When disco will unleash?
[10:11] <guiverc> mohammads, add yourself to the release mailing list & you'll get a text message when it occurs..  it's how I'm notified
[10:15] <mohammads> Ok
[10:15] <guiverc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release
[10:19] <mohammads> Yes, i just joined. thank you guiverc 😉
[10:19] <guiverc> :)
[12:20] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu MATE: Ubuntu MATE 19.04 Final Release @ https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-disco-final-release/
[13:06] <Unit193> eoan!
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[14:03] <guiverc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-April/004753.html
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[12:23] <toma> allee: svn up, you can now indicate the port number
[12:23] <allee> toma: cool
[12:23] <toma> hi el
[12:24] <el> hey toma
[12:24] <toma> el: do you know if usability people have time for Mailody?
[12:25] <el> toma, not sure. best write an email to the kde-usability list.
[12:25] <toma> allright
[12:25] <el> toma, and ask in #openusability (but rather during daytime) :)
[01:13] <fdoving> toma: i cleaned up my mailbox, removed some directories, and such. Can't get mailody to re-read the mailbox list.
[01:14] <toma> fdoving: ah, i thought i saw that as well
[01:14] <fdoving> 'get mailbox list' doesn't remove the removed mailboxes.
[01:14] <toma> indeedy
[01:14] <toma> that would mean that i have to delete the stored messages as well, right?
[01:15] <fdoving> the local messages, yes.
[01:16] <allee> toma: your smtp server seem to have problems (verified with kmail). I don't feel like investigating so I test the smtp port feature later.
[01:17] <fdoving> 'sync mailbox with server' makes duplicates
[01:17] <allee> nite
[01:17] <fdoving> nite allee.
[01:17] <toma> allee: nite
[01:18] <fdoving> the duplicates disappear if you select another mailbox, and then re-select the one with the duplicates.
[01:21] <toma> fdoving: mark all as read is now committed
[01:21] <fdoving> nice.
[01:21] <toma> fdoving: the duplicates issues will be in the part that i will rewrite soon
[01:22] <fdoving> ok, doesn't bother me much. just tested the sync feature.
[01:28] <fdoving> nite.
[01:28] <fdoving> deb is building. I'll have to wait till tomorrow to test the new feature :)
[01:34] <fdoving> is sendt mail automatically saved somewhere, or does everything go away after send?
[01:35] <fdoving> preferably one per identity.
[01:36] <toma> fdoving: it is saved in the folder you used to start the composer
[01:37] <toma> fdoving: fetch folder list is now working as it should
[01:37] <fdoving> very nice. I'll have to cancel the build-deb process and restart it then.
[01:37] <toma> ;-)
[01:37] <toma> imho it makes no sense at all to store send mail in a separate folder
[01:38] <fdoving> you're probably right.
[01:38] <toma> you would always want to store it with the original
[01:38] <fdoving> It's something i've always done. but I can see the nonsense.
[01:38] <fdoving> did you commit the fetch-folder change?
[01:38] <toma> yes
[01:38] <fdoving> does #mailody exist?
[01:39] <toma> no, i'm misusing #rsibreak mostly
[01:39] <toma> i probably be better registering it
[01:40] <fdoving> ok. I'll join you there then. been sliiigthly offtopic in here the last ~4 hours :)
[04:18] <jsgotangco> hey Hobbsee
[04:18] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Please ask Spads to configure your VOIP registration, and see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate
[03:34] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:19] <Riddell> ooh, new pyqt
[04:20] <fdoving> basket 0.6 is nice.
[04:20] <fdoving> and bzr-builddeb is very nice.
[04:28] <seaLne> fdoving: you seen the debs i made on revu and up on basket website?
[04:29] <fdoving> seaLne: yes, I got those. You're missing dh_makeshlibs
[04:29] <seaLne> ah
[04:29] <fdoving> fyi :)
[04:30] <seaLne> ta
[04:30] <seaLne> still seems to work ... :)
[04:30] <seaLne> its one of those dangerous things to miss
[04:30] <fdoving> it does, but it does not run ldconfig in the postinst script.
[04:32] <fdoving> and one more thing i noticed.
[04:32] <fdoving> the md5sum of your orig.tar.gz didn't match the upstream tar.gz
[04:33] <seaLne> he changes the tgzs with updates and dosen't change the version which is annoying
[04:33] <fdoving> ah.
[04:33] <fdoving> that's annoying.
[04:34] <fdoving> shoud add a -n then. 0.6.0-1 and so on.
[04:35] <seaLne> i hadn't realised there had been any changes since those packages, i'll check again when feisty opens and make another package then
[04:36] <seaLne> is udsmtv utc-8?
[04:39] <fdoving> dont know.
[04:39] <fdoving> bbl.
[05:13] <blackmoon> how can i change the text color in the kubuntu boot? The blue text is too dark and unredable...
[05:14] <Viper550> edgy or dapper?
[05:18] <blackmoon> Viper550: edgy
[05:18] <Viper550> you'll need to modify the usplash theme
[05:19] <blackmoon> Viper550: for the text line? are you shure?
[05:19] <Viper550> yes, but the new system for theming on Edgy is a bit more flexible. I suggest you ask kwwii if he comes by, he made that splash and can help you out
[05:21] <blackmoon> Viper550: oh, ok i'll ask to kwwii when he will come
[05:28] <fdoving> blackmoon: it's pictures. get the source of 'kubuntu-default-settings' take a look at the stuff in usplash/
[05:31] <blackmoon> fdoving: ok, thanks
[05:36] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[05:36] <jeroenvrp> it seems no one the answer on this question:
[05:36] <jeroenvrp> how to hide or disable the 'hibernate computer' button, when I log off in kde?
[05:37] <fdoving> Riddell: do you keep your pkg-kde branch of KDE kubuntu packaging up2date or do you manage it elsewere?
[05:50] <jeroenvrp> please does someone has the answer!?
[05:51] <abattoir> jeroenvrp: i think you'll need to 'remove' the patch which adds that, nothing straightforward afaik
[05:51] <jeroenvrp> abattoir: remove the patch? That means recompile?
[05:52] <abattoir> jeroenvrp: from what i understand of it, yes
[05:53] <jeroenvrp> this is madness
[05:53] <abattoir> jeroenvrp: i'm not a 100% sure, but someone'd correct me if i'm wrong
[05:54] <jeroenvrp> I have 2 PC's with Kubuntu and they both do not need it and hibernate is not stable enoogh to really use for a desktop
[05:54] <jeroenvrp> they both are on 24/h day, so this option is very dangereous
[06:14] <jeroenvrp> Bug #70454
[06:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70454 in Ubuntu "Not an option to hide or disable the "Hibernate computer" button in the logout screen of KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70454
[06:17] <gnomefreak> are the kubuntu repos for koffice down?
[06:32] <Riddell> fdoving: it's not really up to date
[08:28] <jeroenvrp> #70481
[08:29] <jeroenvrp> Bug #70481
[08:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70481 in kdebase "Pressing cancel or 'end current session' will both close the session and will give a crash (only when logout options are disabled)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70481
[08:41] <mhb> jeroenvrp: and?
[08:41] <jeroenvrp> mhb: what you mean
[08:41] <mhb> jeroenvrp: need it fixed? confirmed?
[08:42] <jeroenvrp> mhb: both
[08:44] <mhb> jeroenvrp: I'll try to reproduce it
[08:44] <jeroenvrp> mhb: thanks, hopefully I wrote it down clearly enough
[08:45] <jeroenvrp> proberly its related to bug 70454
[08:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70454 in Ubuntu "Not an option to hide or disable the "Hibernate computer" button in the logout screen of KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70454
[08:45] <jeroenvrp> a workarounf is to not offer logout options
[08:45] <jeroenvrp> but that produces the other bug
[08:46] <jeroenvrp> mhb: maybe you have to press twice on cancel
[08:51] <mhb> jeroenvrp: hmm ... the same crash as in your description here
[08:51] <jeroenvrp> mhb: thats great news and not so great news
[08:52] <mhb> yep
[08:56] <mhb> it's actually good news ... the first step is getting the bug confirmed :o) I'll try to do look into it a bit more, but I have some other stuff to do (and it's not exactly bug-hunting season, you know)
[09:04] <mhb> jeroenvrp: seems it was a duplicate (and there is a patch available - thank Lure)
[09:04] <Lure> mhb: true, and I am sorry for this stupid bug ;-)
[09:08] <Riddell> kkk
[09:21] <nixternal> [14:08:42]  <Riddell> kkk
[09:21] <nixternal> ^^ Riddell, be careful doing that in the United States
[09:21] <Mez> nixternal, lol
[09:22] <nixternal> wow, especially being white with a foreign accent, they will think he is the leader ;)
[09:22] <Hawkwind> Hah
[09:23] <nixternal> if anyone is in the "Kubuntu VOIP Solution" meeting, don't forget about KPhone, of which I added to the wiki
[09:23] <nixternal> heh, right as i pressed enter they said something about it
[09:30] <Lure_> nixternal: I mentioned it here, the problem (from Tonio_) is it is unmaintained (last vers nov 2004)
[09:32] <nixternal> there are new releases from last month
[09:32] <nixternal> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=47742
[09:32] <nixternal> 2 months ago Lure_
[09:33] <nixternal> yes, they now have a team of devs, it seems the old site has been removed and now it is sourceforge
[09:34] <Lure_> [15:32]  <nixternal> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=47742
[09:36] <nixternal> ya Lure, i heard you mention it ;)  i haven't messed with it just yet, because i was under the impression it was old as well, until i went to the website about 15 minutes before your BoF started
[09:36] <Lure> nixternal: are you listening our talks?
[09:36] <nixternal> yup
[09:36] <Tonio_> hey nixternal
[09:37] <nixternal> hiya Tonio_!
[09:37] <Tonio_> nixternal: thanks for the link
[09:37] <nixternal> no problem
[09:37] <Tonio_> I though kphone wasn't maintained
[09:37] <nixternal> ya, i thought the same until i decided to look at some info today, and noticed they have a new dev team
[09:38] <nixternal> im using it to listen to you all now..it works great, very simple to use
[09:38] <nixternal> im using the one from the repos
[09:39] <nixternal> hahaha
[09:39] <nixternal> i can hear kphone rings
[09:50] <fdoving> Riddell: do you manage it somewhere else in bzr/svn? do you want patches? debdiffs? I have attached a few patches to some bugs. small fixes mainly. bug 67610 and bug 59059
[09:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67610 in kdebase "Typing error in a script for Khelpcenter" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67610
[09:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59059 in kdeedu "Spelling error in KVocTrain (Vocabulary Trainer) app." [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59059
[09:54] <Riddell> fdoving: I don't keep them in revision control
[09:55] <fdoving> Riddell: ok.
[09:57] <Riddell> fdoving: poke me with those patches in a couple of weeks when I start doing the merges
[09:59] <Riddell> fdoving: actually you could probably send those to debian
[09:59] <Riddell> fdoving: poke fabo or allee when they're around
[10:01] <fdoving> Riddell: one is fixed in debian, the other is kubuntu specific.
[10:02] <fdoving> 59059 is fixed in debian, 67610 is introduced in a kubuntu patch.
[10:26] <mhb> um ... what's the current time at the uds-mtv?
[10:26] <mhb> UTC- how many? 8?
[10:28] <Hawkwind> Yes
[11:07] <sebas> mhb: Ity
[11:07] <sebas> 's currently 14:07 over here
[11:10] <nixternal> imbrandon: come on, lets rock on KOffice by default!
[11:10] <mhb> sebas: thanks
[11:11] <mhb> am I able to just listen to the discussion?
[11:11] <nixternal> mhb: which discussion?
[11:11] <sebas> mhb: Well, there is some VOIP thing here, so I suppose yes.
[11:11] <nixternal> im listening to the "KOffice" one by imbrandon
[11:12] <sebas> Thing is, I don't know how
[11:12] <sebas> Ah, nixternal know
[11:12] <sebas> s
[11:12] <mhb> nixternal: ok
[11:12] <mhb> nixternal: I set up the voip account and all
[11:12] <nixternal> have you gotten an account setup to connect with Ekiga, Twinkle, or KPhone?
[11:12] <nixternal> oh, ok
[11:12] <nixternal> which client are you using?
[11:12] <mhb> kphone
[11:12] <claydoh> well my wife does
[11:12] <nixternal> sweet
[11:13] <claydoh> she hates MS Office and OOo
[11:13] <nixternal><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:13] <nixternal> type that in that address bar belwo the 'sip:yourname' and press enter
[11:13] <nixternal> if you join, unplug your mic
[11:13] <nixternal> or mute it
[11:13] <mhb> nixternal: thx
[11:13] <mhb> nixternal: sure
[11:14] <nixternal> i think open mics create a crackling sound
[11:15] <mhb> thanks nix
[11:15] <nixternal> imbrandon: yes on importing word documents!
[11:16] <nixternal> they are switching to the XML stuff
[11:18] <nixternal> argh, who is in the "KOffice" meeting...the one thing with the partnership with Novell and MS, is the office standards, and they are going to be doing hte XML stuff, and creating patches for OOo, which needs to be reciprocated to KOffice
[11:24] <mhb> nixternal: did you do some optimisations for the kphone codecs or the like? there's a quite lot of background noise for me
[11:25] <jjesse> which confrence?
[11:25] <nixternal> i have no background noise, but i did just hear like a fan or a whine just now
[11:25] <mhb> nixternal: yeah, me too
[11:25] <nixternal> UDS MTV, KOffice
[11:25] <mhb> nixternal: it stopped just now
[11:25] <jjesse> is that on gobby?
[11:25] <nixternal> mhb, that was someone with an open mic, more than likely a laptop with the built in mic..because I can hear typing as well
[11:25] <nixternal> jjesse: SIP
[11:25] <jjesse> nixternal: ah
[11:25] <nixternal> Kphone, Ekiga, or Twinkle
[11:26] <nixternal> mhb, do you hear that person typing?
[11:26] <nixternal> that is our suspect, he/she has a cd-rom in the drive, and they keep accessing it, that or the fan on the computer comes on..and the mic is built into their laptop, so it picks up all the vibration noises
[11:26] <mhb> nixternal: yes, and the konsole beeps too :o)
[11:26] <nixternal> haha ya
[11:26] <nixternal> they hit tab twice, or backspaced to far ;)
[11:31] <mhb> nixternal: BTW: who's present there? I can recognize imbrandon's arguments, but who next?
[11:32] <nixternal> imbrandon is all i know
[11:32] <nixternal> he needs to know that Office 2007 is supporting OASIS now
[11:32] <jjesse> so how crappy would the confrence be on a non-high speed linK?
[11:32] <jjesse> on a windows box cna i use skype to connect?
[11:32] <mhb> jjesse: nope
[11:32] <nixternal> i don't know jjesse..this is super real time on a cable modem though
[11:32] <jjesse> hmm
[11:33] <mhb> jjesse: but there are VOIP clients for Windows
[11:33] <nixternal> jjesse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate
[11:33] <jjesse> yeah i'm looking for one right now
[11:33] <nixternal> i think twinkle works on windows???
[11:34] <nixternal> they aren't a dieing breed in 3rd world countries ;(
[11:35] <jjesse> hmm
[11:49] <fdoving> nite.
[11:49] <nixternal> g'nite
[12:06] <mhb> goodnight
[12:06] <jjesse> good night


[00:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted liquidsoap [source] (focal-proposed) [1.4.1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[06:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-oslo.limit [source] (impish-proposed) [1.4.0-0ubuntu1]
[06:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-oslo.limit [amd64] (impish-proposed/universe) [1.4.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[07:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: sip6 (impish-proposed/primary) [6.1.1+dfsg-2]
[07:38] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson, librt.so missing symlink on libc6-dev?
[07:38] <LocutusOfBorg> make[3]: *** No rule to make target '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so', needed by 'lib/libmir.so.0.0.0'.  Stop.
[07:38] <LocutusOfBorg> this happens on metview build
[07:41] <LocutusOfBorg> is that expected or not?
[08:02] <laney> vorlon: yeah, since we have multiple backends, you need that to get sent to the one which knows about you
[08:02] <laney> please update any docs that need to know about that
[09:19] <sil2100> bdmurray, vorlon: should I still release distro-info-data for xenial?
[09:20] <sil2100> Or should this go via ESM?
[10:47] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: I think you need to rebuild some of metview's build-deps
[10:47] <ginggs> e.g. metview which is currently FTBFS https://people.canonical.com/~doko/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20210805-impish-impish.html
[10:56] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: err, i mean metkit
[11:00] <LocutusOfBorg> ok but fails same way, without a librt.so in the system how can we fix it?
[11:04] <LocutusOfBorg> odc probably needs a rebuild then
[11:10] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: maybe eckit as well
[11:11] <LocutusOfBorg> I already did eckit :)
[11:12] <ginggs> ah, i see it now
[11:14] <LocutusOfBorg> big tarballs are big :D
[11:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: firewalld [amd64] (impish-proposed/universe) [1.0.1-1] (no packageset)
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: vala [i386] (impish-proposed/universe) [0.52.5-1~sync1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: vala [s390x] (impish-proposed/universe) [0.52.5-1~sync1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[12:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: vala [ppc64el] (impish-proposed/universe) [0.52.5-1~sync1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: vala [amd64] (impish-proposed/universe) [0.52.5-1~sync1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[12:50] <sil2100> plars_: hey! Do you know if QA managed to get some testing of the current dailies with the new shim?
[12:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: vala [armhf] (impish-proposed/universe) [0.52.5-1~sync1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: vala [arm64] (impish-proposed/universe) [0.52.5-1~sync1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: vala [riscv64] (impish-proposed/universe) [0.52.5-1~sync1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:50] <xnox> apw:  please remove from impish-proposed the following binaries old binaries left on amd64: linux-modules-nvidia-465-5.13.0-14-generic, linux-modules-nvidia-465-5.13.0-14-lowlatency, linux-objects-nvidia-465-5.13.0-14-generic, linux-objects-nvidia-465-5.13.0-14-lowlatency (from 5.13.0-14.14)
[13:50] <xnox> as they are now transitionals, and thus not needed.
[13:50] <xnox> (and are not installable)
[13:55] <apw> xnox, done
[14:06] <jawn-smith> I have a couple of merges that are awaiting sponsorship. Does anyone have the bandwidth to sponsor these before feature freeze? LP: #1939728 LP: #1939739
[14:17] <schopin> vorlon: any plan to upload a new pam before FF ?
[14:39] <bdmurray> sil2100: Given that xenial is still open I think we might as well release distro-info-data to it.
[14:46] <bdmurray> unless we should stop taking advantage of xenial still being open.
[14:50] <sil2100> bdmurray: yeah, I'll release it still as this is a data only package anyway, but I'd like us to finally close xenial now that I think we're good with shim
[15:00] <LocutusOfBorg> jawn-smith, .
[15:03] <jawn-smith> Thanks!
[15:21] <sil2100> bdmurray: hm, would you have a moment to maybe test the grub2 that's in focal-proposed on some non-cloud scenario?
[15:21] <sil2100> xnox: hey! Can you verify LP: #1901553 ?
[15:21] <sil2100> juliank: or maybe you could take a look as well? ^
[15:21] <sil2100> Since I'm thinking if we should have this grub2 for .3 or not
[15:23] <bdmurray> sil2100: on hardware on a virtual machine
[15:24] <sil2100> bdmurray: everywhere! At least on a VM I'd say, but bonus point if you'd have cycles/hardware to test it on hardware
[15:25] <sil2100> I'll do a test install of a proposed image on my machine later today
[15:29] <laney> going to have a go at deploying staging autopkgtest in ps5
[15:30] <juliank> sil2100: Oh I thought i did
[15:30] <juliank> sil2100: Ah I did that before uploading to archive
[15:30] <juliank> sil2100: Ah but not all
[15:31] <juliank> And I need to retrace my steps to boot such a VM
[15:31] <juliank> cloud-init is annoying when all you want to do is login as ubuntu on the serial console :D
[15:43] <ricotz> hello, please accept the vala packages in the new queue of impish
[15:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted firewalld [amd64] (impish-proposed) [1.0.1-1]
[15:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src [amd64] (impish-proposed) [5.15.2+dfsg-3]
[15:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src [armhf] (impish-proposed) [5.15.2+dfsg-3]
[15:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src [riscv64] (impish-proposed) [5.15.2+dfsg-3]
[15:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src [arm64] (impish-proposed) [5.15.2+dfsg-3]
[15:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src [s390x] (impish-proposed) [5.15.2+dfsg-3]
[15:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src [ppc64el] (impish-proposed) [5.15.2+dfsg-3]
[16:59] <vorlon> sil2100: soft freeze: is there a similar plan for bionic?
[18:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: php7.4 (focal-proposed/main) [7.4.3-4ubuntu2.5 => 7.4.3-4ubuntu2.6] (i386-whitelist)
[18:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: php7.2 (bionic-proposed/main) [7.2.24-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 7.2.24-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[18:30] <vorlon> xnox: where are we at w/ security signoff of publication to xenial-security of the openssl build against -proposed?
[19:58] <sigv> could anyone please look at debmirror merge sponsorship request (coming in from Debian stable) just so that it doesn't need to wait for next release cycle? LP: #1940419
[19:59] <sigv> upstream just added in two unlink calls for cleanup, so the diff since v2.34 is very small.
[20:02] <bdmurray> sigv: ubuntu-devel might be more appropriate as it has more developers in it
[20:03] <bdmurray> sigv: regardless I'll look at it
[20:03] <sigv> bdmurray: oh, thank you - and apologies then. saw the ping from earlier today here and thought might be appropriate due to the Debian Import Freeze.
[20:03] <sigv> bdmurray: thank you, much appreciated!
[20:03] <bdmurray> sigv: have you built it? ran autopkgtests on it?
[20:07] <sigv> bdmurray: it delivers a perl file and I have verified on my systems that the package is functional as described. doesn't have autopkgtests set up, I believe.
[20:09] <sigv> without the change, /tmp/ gets autogenerated files, that only get cleared out on reboot. after this change, those files are deleted after use.
[20:10] <sigv> nothing changing to the build/delivery mechanisms.


[11:58] <joru> Hi
[11:59] <joru> I'm just new to the qa-list and this channel. want to give something back to the community why i'm initially going to test some isos
[12:03] <brendand> hi joru
[12:04] <joru> hi brendand
[12:05] <joru> so i'm visiting the testing iso procedure and the qa site atm
[12:05] <joru> and reading up on them
[12:06] <joru> i've got a few computers and some spare hardware
[12:07] <joru> so if i understand correctly, something that has not been tested by anyone yet is for example listed in the "untested" section on the iso testing tracker?
[12:07] <joru> e.g http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/untested
[12:08] <joru> or is there a section which i can read on what to prioritise testing on?
[12:17] <joru> well alot of my questions are answered as i read. i'll read up on some more. cheers.
[13:03] <fader> joru: That's correct -- the 'untested' section is a good way of quickly finding things that need tested
[13:03] <fader> joru: Though at the moment we are not testing any images :)
[13:03] <fader> Alpha 3 was released last week
[13:04] <fader> We'll be testing more at the end of the month, before the release of Beta 1 on 1 September, so we will *definitely* want help then :)
[13:25] <joru> fader: ok good to know you are not testing anything
[13:26] <joru> fader: is that dicided during the weekly irc sessions?
[13:27] <fader> joru: It's discussed at the meetings as needed, but there is a schedule here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[13:27] <fader> joru: You can generally assume that in the week leading up to a release there will be ISO testing going on
[13:28] <fader> And this is the right channel to check in with questions or to see if testing has started
[13:28] <joru> ah good schedule
[13:28] <joru> didnt see it before
[13:29] <joru> at least i now know i dont need to test in vain
[13:30] <fader> :)
[13:30] <fader> joru: There's also other testing always going on, not just ISO testing
[13:30] <fader> If you're bored that is :)
[13:30] <joru> well the knowledge acquired from reading and setup of my local environment is done
[13:30] <joru> well i report a few bugs here and there when they happen
[13:30] <joru> do some translations etc
[13:30] <fader> Awesome!
[13:30] <joru> but i would like to become more involved in the future
[13:31] <joru> since i'm aming to take a different turn with my career
[13:31] <fader> Fantastic... great to have you on board!
[13:31] <joru> thanx
[13:31] <fader> joru: Aiming to do more OSS work?
[13:31] <fader> In your career I mean
[13:31] <joru> buts most fantastic to have such a great pack of software at hand
[13:32] <joru> fader: yes, more software development, and especially in the open community
[13:32] <joru> amung other things
[13:32] <fader> joru: Excellent!  More hackers are always needed!
[13:33] <joru> though the learning curve seems a bit steep at times
[13:33] <joru> but the challenge is part of the goal
[13:33] <joru> brb
[13:35] <joru> fader: well i've always liked programming, but didnt go for that as formal education
[13:36] <fader> joru: Digging in and just trying it is a great way to learn.  And the Ubuntu community in particular is very friendly and helpful in my experience
[13:37] <joru> yes i've got taht experience too
[13:37] <fader> (Full disclosure is that I get paid to work on it, but I found that to be the case even before that was the case :) )
[13:37] <fader> Er, wait, terrible sentence
[13:37] <fader> Argh, hopefully you know what I meant
[13:37] <joru> yea :)
[13:38] <joru> well part of my plan is to be paid in one way or another to contribute to oss in the future
[13:39] <joru> prob sometimes could be lack of formal cs education
[13:39] <joru> but what counts in the long run is what you actually do
[13:39] <fader> Eh, it doesn't seem to be a big problem if you can point to some things that you've done
[13:39] <fader> Exactly!
[13:39] <joru> thus i'm going to activate myself more
[13:39] <joru> then things get sorted out
[13:41] <joru> so do you have any suggeestions of where one could start?
[13:41] <fader> Cool... glad to have you on board!
[13:41] <joru> preparing packaging?
[13:41] <joru> besides bug reporting that is
[13:42] <joru> guess i'll ask that q in beginners-dev instead
[13:42] <joru> not to flood this channel with nonsence =)
[13:45] <joru> glad to be on board.
[13:46] <fader> Yeah, that might be a better channel... I can't help much with that
[13:46] <fader> But if you come back during ISO testing this channel will be more active :)
[13:47] <davmor2> extremely active infact
[13:49] <fader> Heh
[13:49] <fader> davmor2: Only because everyone is hanging out and having a good time... there are never any bugs.  Ever.  ;)
[13:51] <davmor2> fader: Never ever ever,  there might be the odd destruction of an iso maybe causing a respin from time to time but never any bugs :D
[13:51] <fader> davmor2: Yeah, respins are for aesthetic reasons.  Yeah, that's the ticket.  To make their MD5sums look nicer.
[13:52] <davmor2> fader: and when that nasty build system breaks it,   but that's only so you feel like you under pressure to hit the target right :)
[14:07] <joru> fader: yes, i will monitor during ISO testing
[14:08] <fader> joru: Great!  We'll look forward to having you around! :)


[09:42] <santa_> good morning everyone
[09:42] <santa_> acheronuk: mailimporters' git is now out of sync with the archive. btw the statx fix works for me here too
[09:44] <acheronuk> santa_: pushed
[09:46] <santa_> acheronuk: thanks, we also have a "problem" with kbackup but I bet you already know that
[09:46] <acheronuk> kbackup needs motu
[09:48] <santa_> yep I guessed that
[09:49] <acheronuk> 18.04.1 -> 18.04.3 is only translation updates I think, so was not high priority
[11:01] <santa_> oops, this whole thing ↑ was meant to -devel
 I guessed
[19:02] <valorie> acheronuk: if you are around on Sunday, it would be cool if you did the LP Council permissions
[19:03] <valorie> I'm getting daily emails now warning me that my membership is about to expire
[19:03] <valorie> :-)
[19:03] <valorie> but I'll not return home from the cabin until Monday
[19:03] <valorie> which is Labor Day here
[19:03] <acheronuk> valorie: yeah, I should be ok to do that :)
[19:03] <valorie> cool
[19:04] <valorie> I mean I should expire if I'm not reelected
[19:06] <acheronuk> ok. not quite sure when that happen on 2nd, but it'll get sorted
[19:07] <valorie> <3
[19:07] <valorie> thank you


[01:27] <Ahmuck> why am i getting this added on to my search results in firefox? - &t=canonical
[01:30] <ianorlin> Ahmuck: with what search engine?
[01:34] <Ahmuck> duckduckgo
[01:35] <Ahmuck> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=something&t=canonical&ia=news
[01:37] <Ahmuck> it's not added in opera browser.  getting ready to do a more complete search as to why
[01:37] <ianorlin> might be the ubufox extension or something but I am not too paranoid about this
[01:38] <Ahmuck> why?
[01:38] <ianorlin> might deal with something to give canonical the tiny amount of money it recives from search
[01:38] <ianorlin> but I don't know
[01:40] <Ahmuck> i was testing search engines, been doing testing for a while ... and at first i wondered if duckduckgo was associated with canonical
[01:40] <Ahmuck> but i'm getting the impression more and more that google/canonical/firefox might be more tied togather.
[01:40] <Ahmuck> but i can't make that assertion yet without some more investigation
[01:41] <Unit193> grep -e ubuntu -e canonical /usr/lib/firefox/distribution/searchplugins/locale/*/*.xml
[01:44] <Ahmuck> ok, that makes sense, it's branding the browser as canonical (which i suspected after looking at the "about" section) but why.  it's a Mozilla product unless canonical has heavily modded it.
[01:45] <Ahmuck> or the hosting os
[01:45] <Ahmuck> as in firefox it appears to point to "ubuntu"
[01:46] <Ahmuck>  /usr/lib/firefox/distribution/searchplugins/locale/en-US/duckduckgo.xml:  <Param name="t" value="canonical"/>
[01:46] <Ahmuck>  /usr/lib/firefox/distribution/searchplugins/locale/en-US/google.xml:  <Param name="client" value="ubuntu"/>
[01:46] <Ahmuck> and why re-brand only those two?
[01:46] <Ahmuck> er, not re-brand but tag
[01:46] <ianorlin> I don't really know
[01:47] <Ahmuck> sorry, bbl, i got to lay down, i've been ill for a week
[01:53] <Ahmuck> https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ous&q=something&ia=news - same link in opera
[01:58] <krytarik> Ahmuck: https://duck.co/help/privacy/t
[02:09] <Ahmuck> interesting link.  this however seems to remove privacy options touted by duckduckgo, no?
[02:11]  * phillw ahh.... it took a few minutes... do not feed to Ahmuck as all he wants to is complain
[02:11] <phillw> Ahmuck: you have not troubled us in some months, what brings you back?
[02:13] <phillw> Unit193: if you are about, this is off topic for lubuntu.
[02:15] <user57> Hello everyone. Can anyone tell me how to check what the latest updates to my system was?
[02:15] <user57> Hello everyone. Can anyone tell me how to check what the latest updates to my system was?
[02:17] <Ahmuck> trying to find out why my searches are getting appended with canonical information is complaining?
[02:17] <Ahmuck> perhaps i should complain more publically
[02:19] <ianorlin> user57: tail /var/log/dpkg.log can tell you when you last installed updates by any method
[02:20] <ianorlin> in teh terminal
[02:21] <phillw> Ahmuck: maybe you should complain somewhere else, as lubuntu support channel has no input into what your grievance is.
[02:22] <Ahmuck> phillw: not going to fight with you
[02:22] <user57> ianorlin, thanks a lot mate :)
[02:41] <Ahmuck> out
[02:44] <user57> no pillowfight?
[02:44] <user57> :O
[02:58] <phillw> Unit193: I'm up to eye-balls with linuxpadawan etc. Can you follow up on Ahmuck, he's not all bad, but can flame a channel out.
[02:58] <Unit193> phillw: Follow up with?  And this isn't the channel for it.
[02:59] <phillw> I'll not intervene next time.
[09:26] <piknockyou> Hi there!
[09:27] <piknockyou> I was wondering, if it makes any sense to install an older version of Lubuntu to gain even more speed. Do you think this makes sense? Would I actually gain more speed? What could the disadvantes be?
[13:40] <Drabuntu> Spricht jemand deutsch?
[13:46] <Drabuntu> Spricht jemand deutsch?
[14:51] <Drabuntu> Hallo, spricht jemand deutsch?
[14:52] <testdr> Drabuntu: ja - aber für Deutsch gibt es   #ubuntu-de
[14:52] <Drabuntu> Was mache ich wenn Lubuntu LiveCD/USB Stick keinen Sound abspielt?
[14:55] <testdr> Drabuntu: prüfe das durch:  http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Sound_Problembehebung
[14:58] <Drabuntu> testdr> Danke leider habe ich jetzt kein Lubuntu am laufen sondern Ubuntumate und da funktioniert der Sound.
[15:12] <Drabuntu> Mal eine andere Frage ,wie kann ich lubuntu auf HDD installiert eine Datei unterschieben, damit man von LiveCD nicht installieren kann?
[15:15] <testdr> Drabuntu: thats no lubuntu support question - check your bios settings some may disable this - Bootoption im BIOS abschalten
[15:15] <Drabuntu> Achso.
[17:39] <qkzoo1978> Any idea why pressing "prtsc" isn't generating a screenshot on my Toshiba laptop?  Seems to me this always worked before...
[17:42] <testdr> qkzoo1978: could be the "lxsession-default screenshot" does not set the default-screenshot-program (most times its "scrot") -- you may modify hotkey-setting in   .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml  for the Print key
[17:44] <testdr> qkzoo1978: if your laptop needs a modifier pressed for special-func-keys - maybe you only think you press the print-key but its not enabled without the modifier
[17:45] <qkzoo1978> I think I just figured it out.  I was waiting for some indicator that it was actually taking a screenshot, like an audible click or something, and it doesn't.  Lol, I now have a crapload of screenshot images in my home folder.
[17:47] <testdr> qkzoo1978: thats why i modified the openbox-hotkey file - i put a script for screenshot with an message-hint at the action
[17:49] <qkzoo1978> That's a good idea.  I'd be happy with just a click sound or something.
[17:52] <testdr> qkzoo1978: thats the script i use - with date and special save-directory - usage  "my_screenshot.sh   screenshot/window": http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/420753/
[17:52] <testdr> qkzoo1978: instead of using the zenity-popup-message you can use a sound to play
[17:54] <qkzoo1978> Under default applications then, you just link to the script?
[17:55] <qkzoo1978> ..for screenshot?
[17:56] <testdr> qkzoo1978: no - like written in the script - this "lxdefault-settings" did not work for me and there was (and still may be) a bug thats logouts a user at once (in the desktop-hotkey-menu)
[17:57] <qkzoo1978> ok
[18:10] <qkzoo1978> Is there a way to blow up the resolution of a single window?  In other words, my default resolution is say 1366x768, but I want an individual window (say a browser window) to be 640x480.  Is this possible?
[18:19] <holstein> qkzoo1978: you can resize the window as you want
[18:30] <qkzoo1978> To any resolution?
[18:30] <holstein> qkzoo1978: resizing it does that
[18:30] <holstein> qkzoo1978: you make the window fit 640x480 pixels, of the 1366x768, and thats what you have
[18:30] <qkzoo1978> err, not the actual size of the window, if that's what you thought I meant, I mean the "resolution" of a specific window, you know, like going to "Monitor Settings" in the menu, and changing the resolution.
[18:31] <holstein> if you want the browser window to just zoom, just use the zoom
[18:31] <holstein> usually control +
[18:31] <holstein> qkzoo1978: the resolution *is* the size :)
[18:31] <qkzoo1978> zoom doesn't always work, i.e., flash content does not zoom well, or at all.
[18:31] <holstein> flash doest support linux anymore
[18:32] <qkzoo1978> Google Chrome still runs flash just fine.
[18:32] <holstein> you can try the latest flash in the chrome  browser.. you can use it in chrome or chromium
[18:32] <holstein> im sure you can force virtual resolutions.. but, i think there is probably a simpler way
[18:32] <qkzoo1978> My problem is trying to get a game my folks play setup for geriatric eyeseight without making the resolution of the entire system just ridiculous.
[18:34] <qkzoo1978> he likes to play Fishdom, (bigfishgames.com I think) and the flash content takes up a fraction of the screen, and he has to squint to see it.  The only way I could make it playable for him was to increase the monitor resolution to like 640 x 480, but now the system just looks ridiculously large.
[18:34] <holstein> maybe just show him how to set the resolution
[18:35] <holstein> or, make a gaming user... or a script shortcut.. or a script that runs when he opens a dedicated browser..
[18:35] <qkzoo1978> Well, I did, but I was hoping to figure out a way somehow to adjust the resolution of just a single browser window.
[18:35] <holstein> or, ask the creators of the game..
[18:35] <qkzoo1978> ^ Better luck asking a brick for the winning lotto numbers.
[18:36] <holstein> could be, other users want it larger..
[18:36] <qkzoo1978> "or a script that runs when he opens a dedicated browser" so you can adjust resolution from the command line?
[18:36] <holstein> http://superuser.com/questions/385985/how-can-i-zoom-in-on-flash-applications
[18:37] <holstein> qkzoo1978: what i was saying was, you have *only*, for example, the chromium-browser setup for that game, or firefox, or whatever.. and when that browser is launched, the res is set
[18:37] <holstein> but, there are more elegant answers in the link i just linked
[18:39] <qkzoo1978> Yeah, I'm checking them out
[18:40] <qkzoo1978> qres is for windows only I believe.
[18:41] <qkzoo1978> The other options I've already looked into and don't work for that game.
[18:41] <holstein> im sure you can do some clunkcy virtual resolution
[18:41] <holstein> but, why not just a gaming user?
[18:41] <qkzoo1978> I want to confuse him as little as possible.
[18:41] <holstein> logout, login as gamer. click on web browser.. play game
[18:42] <holstein> what was he using? windows? what did he do before?
[18:42] <qkzoo1978> I have it setup to automatically log him in, the extra step is too much for him.
[18:42] <qkzoo1978> He had windows before, where he could download the game as an exe and run it full screen.
[18:42] <qkzoo1978> Being XP is dead, I removed it from their "Old pc" and installed Lubuntu.
[18:42] <holstein> qkzoo1978: try it in wine
[18:43] <holstein> some smaller games like that might just work
[18:43] <holstein> that'll be similarly click and run
[18:43] <qkzoo1978> Ya, I think I will try wine, been awhile since I messed around with it.
[18:44] <holstein> you can use arandr to generate scripts and make shortcuts on the desktop to 2 different resolutions
[18:44] <qkzoo1978> arandr, I forgot about that one!


[02:48] <johnc4510> beuno: greetings :)
[02:48] <beuno> hey johnc4510!
[02:49] <johnc4510> how's it going
[02:50] <beuno> good good, back home after a month and a half of travelling
[02:50] <beuno> so pretty happy  :D
[02:50] <johnc4510> beuno: after that long i would be toooooo!
[02:51] <johnc4510> your own bed is a wonderful thing
[02:51] <beuno> absolutely, best night ever yesterday!
[02:51] <johnc4510> hee hee
[02:51] <johnc4510> :)
[02:52] <beuno> johnc4510: how are you getting along with UWN?  I see you're putting a lot of great work into it
[02:53] <johnc4510> beuno: thanks, hope i'm not over reaching     but no problems
[02:53] <boredandblogging> johnc4510: awesome work on the UWN
[02:53] <johnc4510> boredandblogging: ty  and howdy
[02:53] <beuno> johnc4510: that's the good thing about wikis, you can never over reach  :D
[02:53] <johnc4510> :)
[02:54] <johnc4510> beuno: ok great i'll just keep on truckin then
[02:54] <beuno> gf here
[02:54] <beuno> ba bye  :D
[02:54] <johnc4510> see ya
[02:55] <johnc4510> boredandblogging: was it you talking with the guy yesterday about the country problem? whether is was or not
[02:55] <boredandblogging> johnc4510: about catalan? yeah
[02:56] <johnc4510> can you tell me how this all works   are some uwm translated and some completely separate papers
[02:57] <boredandblogging> the ones that are translated put their links directly on the UWN, but I believe there is an European or South American LoCo does there own thing, but don't quote me on that
[02:58] <johnc4510> ok, i just wondered because what he was talking about wasn't in our edition   it confused me a little
[02:58] <johnc4510> :)
[02:58] <johnc4510> that happens with me some though
[02:58] <johnc4510> hee hee
[02:59] <boredandblogging> the reference to the catalan countries? yes it was
[02:59] <johnc4510> ok, thanks for the info :)
[06:06] <johnc4510> howdy
[06:08] <Burgundavia> hello johnc4510
[06:08] <Burgundavia> rocking work on the UWN btw
[06:12] <johnc4510> Burgundavia: thanks
[08:03] <flickerfly> A LUG guy said you guys might be interested in the weakness of Linux solutions in the NGO "market". Non-profits just don't get much attention, particularly small ones who could benefit hugely from the provision of good software tools. The greatest weakness is constituent relationship management (CRM), but just a decent fund-accounting software would be a good start. You can't even buy stuff for this
[08:05] <Burgundavia> flickerfly: there is actually the NGO in a box, done by the tactical tech people in Amsterdam
[08:06] <Burgundavia> it is based on Ubuntu, afaicr
[08:06] <flickerfly> do you have a link to that, it doesn't sound familiar
[08:07] <Flannel> http://tacticaltech.org/
[08:07] <Burgundavia> I am, in fact, wearing on their tshirts right now
[08:07] <Flannel> or, I guess http://ngoinabox.org/
[08:08] <flickerfly> thanks, I'll have to check that out
[08:08] <Burgundavia> the tactical tech people are cool people, actually
[08:20] <flickerfly> What they are recommending for NGOs to use for finances is GnuCash. While GnuCash is a fine personal accounting software, it doesn't have the features to address fund accounting like an NGO wants to do
[08:20] <flickerfly> I do like what they're trying to do.
[08:21] <flickerfly> I'll have to see if I can find a feed on them to get more familiar with their tech
[08:22] <flickerfly> I should re-visit CiviCRM.
[08:22] <flickerfly> That might be improved in the last few years and may fit.
[08:25] <Burgundavia> it is likely that money can be found to improve software for NGO use
[08:40] <flickerfly> cool, then all that needs to happen is find someone with the time. That's another thing lacking at NGOs. :-) Thanks for listening guys. I'm off.
[10:16] <IDF_Mike> me and some guys in the FL team were looking into making an ubuntu page and I just wanted to run it by you guys and see what you think
[10:18] <IDF_Mike> It's main purpose would basically an exhaustive list of links for useful ubuntu related sites
[10:18] <IDF_Mike> with a rating system and a place for users to submit links
[10:20] <IDF_Mike> I don't wanna keep rattling on here, but I just wanted to make sure something like this wasn't in the works and see if anyone thought it would be beneficial
[10:21] <IDF_Mike> we feel like sites are starting to spread out and that it's getting harder to find what you are looking for and a good index would help
[10:22] <IDF_Mike> any comments or suggestions, send them this way thanks, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3051979#post3051979
[11:32] <Burgundavia> loserboy: a list of links?
[11:32] <loserboy> well... yea  but a massive list
[11:33] <Burgundavia> massive lists have a serious problem; they are massive
[11:33] <Burgundavia> every study of humans and picking shows that beyond 7 items, we loose the ability to quickly parse
[11:34] <loserboy> lol well we are going put stress on having it well organized and indexed
[11:34] <loserboy> but I know what you mean
[11:34] <Burgundavia> I personally think it would be a better project to clean up a few good resources
[11:34] <loserboy> also rating systems, brief comments
[11:35] <Burgundavia> such as finishing and publishing the DIY stie
[11:35] <Burgundavia> or fixing some pages on teh Ubuntu Help wiki
[11:35] <loserboy> that's what I thought at first too, but it seems like such a huge project, and not everyone is going to cooperate
[11:35] <Burgundavia> you don';t need a lot of cooperation
[11:36] <Burgundavia> you need bit sized chunks
[11:36] <loserboy> alot of the wiki hasn't been updated since hoary
[11:36] <Burgundavia> {{sofixit}}
[11:36] <Burgundavia> and actually, lots has
[11:36] <loserboy> well, I spent a long time on the hardware compatibility
[11:36] <Burgundavia> the challenge is building a community around a resource, not producing another resource
[11:37] <Burgundavia> http://loll.sourceforge.net/
[11:37] <Burgundavia> that is a project similar to what you are envisioing
[11:37] <Burgundavia> it doesn't work. I know because a couple of people from my LUG run it
[11:38] <loserboy> I'll take a look in just a sec here
[11:39] <loserboy> it is similar to what we have in mind, is it still updated?
[11:40] <Burgundavia> nope
[11:40] <Burgundavia> it died because it really isn't a useful resource
[11:40] <Burgundavia> not in the Google area
[11:41] <Burgundavia> what drivers users to sites is content, lots of good content
[11:41] <Burgundavia> one place that need more cool content is the Fridge
[11:41] <Burgundavia> and the UWN
[11:42] <Burgundavia> one idea might be a "cool Ubuntu device of the day" post, about somebody running Ubuntu on something cool
[11:42] <loserboy> yea I see what you're saying
[11:43] <Burgundavia> there are no end of existing projects that badly need people to write cool things for them
[11:44] <loserboy> I just see so many people in the forums that can't find what they are looking for through search functions in the forum or from google
[11:44] <loserboy> and I admit many times it's their fault
[11:44] <Burgundavia> then choose a resouce and improve that
[11:45] <Burgundavia> if you have good content, it will float its way up the list in google
[11:46] <loserboy> well, I'm glad I talked to you and I'll run everything you said by the guys
[11:46] <loserboy> I gotta say I still think we could make it work
[11:48] <loserboy> working on the wiki was actually my first thought before this idea, it's depressing just to think about it
[11:48] <loserboy> (working on the wiki that is)
[11:48] <Burgundavia> the wiki is a large resource with lots of disorder
[11:49] <loserboy> do you know of anyone that has a game plan for reorganizing it
[11:49] <Burgundavia> not really
[11:52] <loserboy> so you really feel like it's a waste to have a links site?
[11:53] <Burgundavia> a few carefully selected links, maybe as part of a story on a existing resource
[11:53] <Burgundavia> link maybe a story on the Fridge, with a few links abougt a specific story
[11:54] <Burgundavia> then you get a few high quality links
[11:54] <loserboy> sort of a news style
[11:54] <loserboy> or highlights
[11:54] <Burgundavia> basically, yes
[11:55] <Burgundavia> when something like Ubuntu Mobile is announced, a short news roundup
[11:56] <loserboy> is that any real use to anyone, I've seen sites that cover this already
[11:56] <Burgundavia> yes, it is
[11:59] <loserboy> are you part of the marketing team, i'm only asking so I can say where I got the feedback from
[11:59] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:59] <Burgundavia> teh marketing team is anybody who wants to market
[11:59] <loserboy> lol oh ok, is there no official status?
[12:00] <Burgundavia> there is, but people tend to see the "Marketing Team" as this entity


[15:26] <ChinnoDog> morning, all
[15:28] <ssweeny> morning ChinnoDog
[16:03] <ChinnoDog> I found a shortcoming in KVM last night. It seems to only provide int13 extensions for the first disk.  That crippled by multi boot scenareo.
[16:38] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: Are the sides on that tower system just holding it together or are they passive backplanes as well?
[16:48] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog: one is a backplane
[16:48] <ssweeny> the other is structural
[16:49] <ChinnoDog> Too bad you can't get those for ATX boards, even if they were both structural. I imagine ATX is too big and would break.
[16:53] <ssweeny> i don't see why you couldn't do it
[16:53] <ssweeny> just seems like there isn't much use for it at that size
[16:53] <ssweeny> plus does atx allow for the edge connector you would need?
[16:54] <ChinnoDog> No, but there are standard hole placements on the board that could be used to place supports.
[16:55] <ChinnoDog> The use is that you could create a "rack" that doesn't use rails or rack cases.
[16:57] <ssweeny> that doesn't seem wise
[16:58] <ssweeny> you need a place for power supplies, etc
[17:02] <ChinnoDog> I know. What a pain. If only ATX had an edge connector for power
[17:03] <ssweeny> we need a new motherboard standards
[18:48] <ChinnoDog> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#VARCACHEAPPLICATIONCACHEDATA
[18:48] <PennBot> Title: Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (at www.pathname.com)
[18:49] <ChinnoDog> That is very confusing. How can /var/cache both be deletable and be expected to survive reboots?
[18:50] <ssweeny> it should be deletable on a schedule determined on a per-application basis
[18:51] <ssweeny> so it's not totally volatile but you might want like a week's worth of logs in there
[18:51] <ssweeny> at the same time if those logs were lost you can go on living
[18:56] <ChinnoDog> If I could go on living without them then why can't I loose them between reboots?
[18:58] <ChinnoDog> s/loose/lose
[18:58] <ChinnoDog> (thought I should correct myself before pleia2 corrected me)
[19:40] <MutantTurkey> so there is a guy using linux like twenty feet away
[19:40] <MutantTurkey> talking about torrenting
[19:40] <MutantTurkey> :| when i walked in i interjected in the conversation
[19:40] <MutantTurkey> about ubuntu
[19:41] <MutantTurkey> who he appears to know little about ._.
[19:41] <MutantTurkey> sigh.
[19:47] <EvilPhoenix> lol
[19:48] <MutantTurkey> should i go talk to this dude?
[19:56] <ChinnoDog> So, did you talk to him?
[19:58] <MutantTurkey> no
[19:58] <MutantTurkey> when i walked in i did
[19:59] <MutantTurkey> maybe when i walk out


[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[21:24] <mmikowski> RikMills[m] Eickmeyer: FYI, night color + intel + steam == flicker fest
[21:25] <mmikowski> I've explicitly disabled it by default in next setting update; also document on site.
[21:26] <mmikowski> This on 5.19 kernel. I believe it is the same on oem kernel, but since I can't uncook that egg ... :P
[21:26] <mmikowski> 5.19 hwe vs. 5.17 oem.
[21:28] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: I mean, is there anything keeping you from installing the 5.17 OEM kernel stack and then uninstalling the 5.19 HWE stack on an installed system?
[21:28] <arraybolt3> I've documented how to switch kernel stacks before.
[21:28] <arraybolt3> https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-22-04-2-lts-upgrades-still-using-the-5-15-ga-kernel/4042/8?u=arraybolt3 This is for switching from HWE to GA on Lubuntu, but with some tweaks it could likely work for witching from HWE to OEM 5.17.
[21:37] <mmikowski> Aye, sorry Aaron! I should have put you into the cc list.
[21:37] <mmikowski> Well, no.
[21:37] <mmikowski> But I don't think 5.17 fixes it.
[21:38] <mmikowski> The flicker was there before. I can look a little deeper, but it appears almost all the fixes that matter to us have moved forward to 5.19 HWE.
[21:38] <mmikowski> It is the interaction between Intel GPU and night vision.
[21:39] <mmikowski> We already found and fixed a number of i915 flicker related settings (mostly modules), but I think what made this come up again is for some reason night color was getting set during burn-in.
[21:39] <mmikowski> So the Steam tests got all flickery.
[21:39] <mmikowski> Turn off the night color, and it's fixed.
[21:40] <mmikowski> Of course, absolutely no issue with NV graphics.
[21:40] <mmikowski> Haven't search the bug db for this yet; it's definite on X11. Haven't checked wayland yet.
[21:40] <mmikowski> just wanted to give you a heads up.
[21:41] <mmikowski> For RikMills[m] and Eickmeyer, I think it's very important for a default settings consideration.
[21:41] <mmikowski> Also for documentations. +cc ahoneybun[m]
[21:42] <Eickmeyer> mmikowski: #ubuntu-kernel
[21:42] <mmikowski> Since Kubuntu ships with 5.19 HWE IIRC, and its probably better to start with something that doesn't have night color but works on demanding gfx out of the box.
[21:42] <mmikowski> Hi Eickmeyer!
[21:42] <Eickmeyer> Hi!
[21:43] <mmikowski> Ok, I'll add that to my lurk list.
[21:43] <Eickmeyer> Basically, if it's a kernel issue (and not hardware-specific), that's a place to talk to.
[21:44] <Eickmeyer> I, personally, have seen no issues on any of my hardware with i915. Tells me it's specific to whatever hardware you are testing on.
[21:44] <mmikowski> Thanks. It may be limited access.
[21:44] <Eickmeyer> But, you haven't mentioned the hardware you're testing on.
[21:44] <mmikowski> That's the nxg2 and xeg2
[21:44] <mmikowski> 1260p
[21:44] <mmikowski> i7-1260p
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> Ok, might be limited to that hardware then.
[21:45] <mmikowski> It might
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> Remember how intel gets very specific in their own MB manufacturing?
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> Not generic at all as you'd hope.
[21:45] <mmikowski> Just thought I'd let you know. It is definitely confirmed on there, and those are very popular CPUs.
[21:45] <mmikowski> Oh yeah.
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> CPUs, yes, but not MBs.
[21:45] <mmikowski> right
[21:47] <mmikowski> Like I said, just an fyi.  We'll look at earlier revisions and see if it replicates.
[21:50] <mmikowski> IIRC, xeg2 also had that issue.  But we'll see.


[09:02] <chinoto> Anyone know how to use grub2 to boot isos?
[09:03] <chinoto> trying to add the iso of "Trinity Rescue Kit 3.3" to a usb for recovery in addition to a few other isos
[09:05] <chinoto> I think all I need is to know what to put after "linux (loop)/kernel.trk" in grub.cfg
[09:09] <chinoto> I think I got it, brb
[09:09] <chinoto> (need to reboot to test)
[09:10] <chinoto> nvm, I have no idea what I'm doing
[09:28] <damian> apparently I was supposed to do (hd0,2) because the second argument is 1-based rather than 0-based
[09:29] <damian> but now trinity can't find itself because it expected itself to be located on a cdrom drive rather than a iso on a usb
[18:39] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, that nonsense of having one of them 0-based and the other 1-based is tricky.
[20:10] <ubuntu_> it doesn't see the iso, yet it manages to load anyway...
[20:51] <kermit> while upgrading to ubuntu 10.4, my system locked up, i had to power cycle, now X wont even load, what should i do?
[21:43] <kermit> while upgrading to ubuntu 10.4, my system locked up, i had to power cycle, now X wont even load, what should i do?
[21:53] <Obsidian1723> You upgraded from 91.0?
[21:53] <Obsidian1723> 9.10
[21:54] <kermit> yes
[21:54] <kermit> someone said do aptitute dist-upgrade from a terminal
[21:55] <Obsidian1723> yeah, the upgrades SOMETIMES work.
[21:55]  * tonyyarusso headdesks
[21:55] <kermit> i had set some /proc/sys/vm stuff really high, i think i had a memory deadlock
[21:56] <kermit> i'll set it lower now
[21:56] <Obsidian1723> If you wanmt hack and slah at it for hours you can, but really, I'd load the Live CD and copy your /home over to an external hard drive, then just reformat the PC.
[21:56] <Obsidian1723> Do a clean install.
[21:56] <kermit> i set the background ratio and ratio to 100 hehe
[21:56] <kermit> now i set it to 50/75
[21:56] <tonyyarusso> kermit: No.  To do an upgrade you either use update-manager for a GUI or do-release-upgrade from CLI.  Never do a dist-upgrade directly.
[21:56] <Obsidian1723> Upgrades are messy.
[21:56] <tonyyarusso> (You'd know this if you read the instructions....)
[21:57] <kermit> tonyyarusso: release-upgrade? from aptitude?
[21:57] <kermit> what instructions? i have no GUI
[21:57] <tonyyarusso> kermit: No.  Just 'do-release-upgrade'.  That's the command.
[21:57] <tonyyarusso> kermit: The instructions posted online every time there's a new release.
[21:57] <kermit> tonyyarusso: oh ok thanks
[21:57] <kermit> they post CLI instructions? huh.. i figured webbrowsing in text mode would be futile in 2010
[21:58] <kermit> omg is that hail?
[21:58] <Obsidian1723> Iveh ad the worse luck with dist upgrades, so I just reformat.
[21:58] <tonyyarusso> kermit: people have to upgrade servers sometime - might as well tell them how.
[21:58] <kermit> tonyyarusso: oh good point
[21:58] <kermit> tonyyarusso: should i ^C the apt-get dist-upgrade then?
[21:58] <kermit> and use the command you suggest
[21:59] <kermit> oh its done
[21:59] <tonyyarusso> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade
[21:59] <tonyyarusso> For future reference
[21:59] <kermit> in the future i'm hoping not to crash during the GUI upgrade
[21:59] <kermit> but i'll write it down
[22:02] <kermit> tonyyarusso: oh i hadnt started apt-get dist-updtae afterall, just some dpkg command it told me to.. the command you said said i'm already upgrade, so i'm doing aptitude dist-upgrade which is doing lots of things


[00:53] <guiverc> when is 5.11 likely to hit focal (20.04.3) dailies? is eta known?
[06:46] <guiverc> 5.11 is stopped b/c of a blocker bug I just noticed.. unknown I guess  (eta in tracker was ~now)


[12:48] <enterneo1> how is sun-java-6 different from openjdk-6 for a newbie programmer who would rarely open up JDK source code?
[12:55] <userrrrr> Where I can find the table Or the list with classes java ?
[13:14] <userrrrr> бля =(
[13:44] <userrrrr> i find it  http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/