[08:48] <twb> I'm tracing my reboot process, and it looks like upstart calls "halt -w" regardless of whether I'm halting or rebooting -- why?
[08:48] <twb> Never mind, it's in /etc/init.d/umountnfs.sh
[13:02] <zdzichuBG> hi
[13:02] <zdzichuBG> I'm pulling my hairs trying to start job on device appearing
[13:05] <zdzichuBG> Can somebofy help me with upstart + udev rules?
[13:29] <zdzichuBG> huh, it worked.  After plea for help... Murphy's laws :)


[11:21] <pmjdebruijn> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/546549357/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-amd64.prusa-slicer_2.3.2~beta-0pmjdebruijn1~20.04_BUILDING.txt.gz I have a build that runs out of memory on the PPA build farm, I've already disabled parallel build, and export DEB_LDFLAGS_MAINT_APPEND += -Wl,--reduce-memory-overheads -Wl,--no-keep-memory -Wl,--no-map-whole-files
[11:24] <pmjdebruijn> i'm unsure how to proceed, any pointers?
[11:25] <cjwatson> We don't have any special expertise here
[11:25] <pmjdebruijn> right
[11:26] <cjwatson> The process running out of memory is a compiler process not a linker, so -Wl,anything isn't relevant to that
[11:26] <pmjdebruijn> on the flip side, there aren't any special build hosts that could be assigned (i'm aware it might be expecting a bit much from a free service)
[11:26] <cjwatson> There are not
[11:26] <cjwatson> All the VMs are identical
[11:26] <cjwatson> (free or not)
[11:27] <cjwatson> This is a deliberate choice to simplify management
[11:27] <pmjdebruijn> understandable
[11:28] <cjwatson> You could try a lower optimization level for that translation unit
[11:28] <cjwatson> -O3 is often excessive anyway
[11:29] <pmjdebruijn> I'll attempt that tonight then
[11:29] <pmjdebruijn> thanks for the pointer
[14:20] <bigpod> just out of curiosity what are the specs of the VMs used as builders
[14:27] <cjwatson> bigpod: 8G RAM, 4G swap (modulo issues in https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/694428), 60G disk
[14:28] <bigpod> cjwatson: thanks
[14:43] <cjwatson> Launchpad appservers are now all on gunicorn (previously zope.server).  Hopefully nobody will notice the difference, but this will enable a bunch of other cleanup work


[08:50] <kit_D> add #gst_ti
[09:49] <mthaddon> howdy folks, I'm seeing some issues on a Thinkpad X220 (64 bit) with oneiric - occasional hangs and seeing "general protection fault" in dmesg as well as what looks like stack traces. I *think* I have a sandybridge processor, but not sure how I confirm, and what my options are if that's the case
[09:58] <jjohansen> mthaddon: file a bug, using ubuntu-bug linux
[09:58] <jjohansen> it will collect you information
[09:58] <mthaddon> ok, thx
[10:07] <mthaddon> filed bug#856257
[10:46] <cking> apw, for bug 851141 you enabled the MTRR sanitizer by default - have we seen any negative issues from enabling this?  If not, should we consider enabling it for earlier releases as a SRU at some point?
[11:22] <apw> bug #851141
[11:23] <cking> somebody poke the bot
[11:25] <apw> ubot2, OI
[11:25] <ubot2> Factoid 'OI' not found
[11:25] <apw> ubot2, bug #851141
[11:26] <cking> its gone bug unaware
[11:26] <apw> cking, no your bug is private
[11:32] <apw> 2. install all updates (sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade)
[11:33] <apw> cking, this here really should be a dist-upgrade else you don't get the new packages you need installed
[12:29]  * smb disonnects
[12:47] <smb> Luckily internet _still_ works... :-P
[13:37] <apw> tgardner, you pulled wireless-crda into ubuntu didn't you ?  there seems to be two packages for it now, see discussion on #ubuntu-devel
[13:38] <tgardner> apwsynced from upstream ?
[13:38] <tgardner> apw ^
[13:38] <tgardner> or debian
[13:38] <apw> tgardner, i'd guess debian, package is call crda and we have wireless-crda as well
[13:39] <tgardner> apw, lemme check it out. maybe we can drop wireless-crda
[13:41] <apw> tgardner, version numbers wise we seem to have a much never version -- maybe
[13:41] <tgardner> apw, it hasn't been updated since April
[13:42] <apw> tgardner, ours of theirs
[13:42] <tgardner> apw, theirs
[13:42] <apw> i'd guess teh DB needs updating more often than that
[13:42] <apw> though of course it just may not have been sync'd
[13:45] <apw> tgardner, seems that version is the latest in debian, so they are not very active with it
[13:45] <apw> tgardner, we didn't need it until lucid or later right ?  so perhaps they arn't really using it yet
[13:46] <tgardner> apw, I'm wondering why we synced it without an explicit request.
[13:46] <apw> tgardner, ahh it seems the regdb is in a separate package, which is in sync
[13:46] <tgardner> apw, yes
[13:46] <apw> so the combination may be as good as what we have
[13:46] <apw> tgardner, yeah i suspect we autosync all of universe without intervention
[13:47] <tgardner> apw, the issue when I packaged it for Lucid was that many of the build tools were not in main
[13:47] <apw> the suggestion is that our package only varies slightly from the combination of those two.  something to consider merging i suspect
[13:49] <tgardner> apw, functionally there should be no difference.
[13:50] <apw> so perhaps we literally just want to flip the dependancy over
[13:50]  * apw leaves it with tgardner :)
[13:54] <realubot> I want to install kernel 2.6.39 in Ubuntu 11.04 but the kernel doesn't seem to be in the kernel PPA?
[13:54] <realubot> How do I install the kernel without having to install it from a deb file?
[13:55] <realubot> Kernel 2.6.39 is "missing" in this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa
[13:55] <realubot> Why?
[13:55] <apw> that PPA never was the vehicle for those kinds of builds ?
[13:55] <apw> that PPA is a staging ground for test builds and experiemental packages
[13:56] <realubot> Ok.
[13:56] <apw> why do you want 2.6.39 in the first place?  thats an odd version to want
[13:57] <realubot> apw: Well. There is a bug in the 2.6.38 version så I thought it would be a great idea to upgrade just one step where I have red the bug shall be solved.
[13:57] <realubot> *so
[13:58] <tgardner> apw, bug #856421 deferred until P series
[13:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 856421 in wireless-crda "wireless-crda duplicates functionality found in crda+wireless-regdb from Debian" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856421
[13:59] <realubot> apw: This bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/734865
[13:59] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 734865 in linux "[STAGING] RT2860 Wireless will not authenticate and connect when on battery power." [Undecided,Incomplete]
[13:59] <realubot> apw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/734865/comments/5
[13:59] <realubot> "Thanks for confirming that kernel 2.6.39 fixes the issue."
[13:59] <tgardner> realubot, use compat-wireless from linux-backports-modules
[13:59] <apw> what he said
[14:09] <apw> realubot, you are on natty right ... so to get the 2.6.39 wireless you'd want linux-backports-modules-cw-2.6.39-natty-generic
[14:11]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:15] <realubot> apw: So the bug I linked will be solved using the linux-backports-modules-cw-2.6.39-natty-generic
[14:20] <apw> realubot, it is highly likely that if a .39 kernel would solve your issue, and it is a wireless issue, then the backports there are likely to carry the same fix.  testing those before moving to unsupported packages is a good idea
[14:23] <realubot> apw: Ok, thank you for all help. I'll try it out and see if that solves my wifi problem. Thanks!
[18:14]  * tgardner -> lunch
[18:56]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[19:29]  * ogasawara lunch
[21:34] <tgardner> :q
[22:48] <philipballew>  whats a good way to blacklist a wifi driver from the kernel
[23:47] <bryceh> philipballew, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[23:47] <philipballew> bryceh, thanks!


[01:18] <jolaren> If I want to remove the frontend/gui desktop n everythin in mythbuntu, how would I do that? my server has been a frontend long enough, now im gonna spare me the problems
[01:20] <jolaren> tho I want the mythbuntu backend to stay
[01:20] <jolaren> rest ill do thro x forwarding
[01:21] <jolaren> Anyone?
[04:00] <tate> Hey, need some advice;  I have a new installation of mythbuntu 9.10 on a system with a PVR 500.  Before I was running 8.04 and it worked perfectly.  Now under 9.10 my reception is crappy.  Low channels are staticy and unwatchable, channels about 10 are watchable but grainy.  Yet the channel scanner finds all the channels and it clearly records content, just not well.
[04:00] <tate> My settings are for USCable
[04:00] <tate> So it's not a case of setting for broadcast or something.
[14:02] <rhpot1991> HDHR for 124.99 on newegg, anyone who doesn't own one yet, go buy one
[14:02] <rhpot1991> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815327005&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL031610&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL031610-_-EMC-031610-Index-_-VideoDevicesTVTuners-_-15327005-LP4D
[14:03] <Zinn> [www.newegg.com] Newegg.com - SiliconDust HDHomeRun Network-based Dual Digital HDTV Tuner Ethernet Interface - TV Tuners & Video Devices
[18:12] <jolaren> Hey. I just setup samba from the mythbuntu control center. Where can I find the service in my network?
[22:00] <chan__> hoping that someone might be able to help me with a strange problem that I am having
[22:08] <chan__> i'm new mythbuntu and have installed it on a Dell GX620 I have installed the ATI propriety drivers FGLRX graphics driver....but I when ever I play a dvd I get a horizontal split screen that plays the movie on both screens....i have ati radeon graphics driver which has a digital out which goes into two monitors
[23:46] <riri> I want to have my movies on one computer and view them on another, running mythbuntu. the computer running mythbuntu is able to mount directories with samba. what's the proper way to setup this in terms of mount directory and pointing mythtv to the videos directory? It seems that mounting the movies directory at the non mythbuntu machine and pointing the mounted path at from mythtv's setup yields some problems...


[08:16] <flocculant> bluesabre: yep - done that, also split the 'changes' on the release notes - makes more sense like that
[09:21] <flocculant> ochosi: \o/ latest xubuntu-icon-theme > http://i.imgur.com/4KAQxx2.png
[09:23] <flocculant> assuming that we don't get that in during the next few days - sru material? in which case I'll create a bug for it now so I can put it on the note
[09:44] <flocculant> rather I need to report it anyway for the note if it's unlikely to land :)
[09:50] <Nairwolf> hi, I'm happy to know this bug is not only for me : 1570901
[09:50] <Nairwolf> the bug with ubiquity.
[09:53] <flocculant> Nairwolf: so am I :D
[10:01] <Nairwolf> I would like to clarify some technical terms. For example, with mugshot, you have mugshot which the name of the application, and you have "about me" found in the menu. What is the exact term for "about me", is it the "nickname" of the application Mugshot ?
[10:03] <flocculant> About Me is the launcher name, mughsot is the application name
[10:03] <Nairwolf> launcher name, thank you ;)
[10:03] <flocculant> you could edit About Me's name and call is flibbertygibbet if you wanted :)
[10:03] <Nairwolf> Yes, I know that.
[10:03] <flocculant> :)
[10:04] <Nairwolf> As I'm currently working on translations, I was looking for the exact english term.
[10:04] <flocculant> aah right :)
[10:05] <Nairwolf> but launcher name isn't really easy to translate into french. I need to find a better name, or I will ask to french translators how they translate that.
[10:09] <Nairwolf> flocculant: Are you able to explain me this choice about Mugshot ? The first installed user and any added admin users will be able to change any field. Normal users can change their image and most of the fields, this type of user will not be able to change phone numbers.
[10:09] <Nairwolf> It's from this article : http://xubuntu.org/news/small-details-personal-information-integration/
[10:09] <Nairwolf> I'm wondering why a normal user isn't able to change phone numbers. do you know why ?
[10:09] <flocculant> not really
[10:10] <Nairwolf> ok
[10:10] <flocculant> bluesabre> [02:25:53] flocculant: new mugshot in -staging... did what I could, phone numbers are now disabled for non-sudoers (same limitation as in the Users & Groups app)
[10:10] <flocculant> Nairwolf: ^^
[10:12] <Nairwolf> okay, I will ask to bluesabre. I'm interested to know why it's disabled.
[10:38] <flocculant> Nairwolf: I don't think it's disabled as such - more a limitation elsewhere affecting mugshot
[10:57] <flocculant> I guess if you're going to send a mail to the team - best to make sure you include the XPL ...
[10:57] <flocculant> sorry for the mail spam peeps
[11:04] <Nairwolf> flocculant: yes, I was also thinking there is a limitation somewhere. That's why I'm interested to understand why...
[11:04] <Nairwolf> lunch time, see you later
[11:20] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: the explanation is a bit like this... 1) AccountsService does not enable changing of phone numbers (https://fedorahosted.org/sssd/wiki/DesignDocs/AccountsService), and 2) `chfn` requires a password to change your details and does not have a non-terminal prompt.  The SudoDialog I made provides a graphical prompt and is used in Mugshot depends on checking your password with sudo... if you're
[11:20] <bluesabre> not in sudoers (and non-admins are not), that will fail
[11:21] <bluesabre> so if you're not in Sudoers, I have no way of getting a user's password to change their details
[11:23] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: you can find Mugshot's current French translations at https://translations.launchpad.net/mugshot/trunk/+pots/mugshot/fr/+translate - it looks like "About Me" was translated to "À mon sujet"
[11:23] <bluesabre> hey flocculant
[11:33] <bluesabre> flocculant: I may have a fix for libreoffice... testing this morning
[11:33] <flocculant> \o/
[11:34] <flocculant> bluesabre: would we be able to get that in?
[11:34] <bluesabre> we can try
[11:34] <flocculant> also see my pinging of Simon re the icons :_
[11:34] <flocculant> :)
[11:34] <bluesabre> saw that
[11:34] <bluesabre> will try that too
[11:34] <flocculant> aah okey doke :)
[11:34] <bluesabre> "release goals" - we're picky
[11:34] <flocculant> yup
[11:37] <flocculant> which is as it should be this late just in case it explodes all over everyone I guess :p
[11:38] <flocculant> ha ha - I'm going to have divide +2's by 2 then :)
[11:42] <bluesabre> :D
[11:46] <bluesabre> to fix it, I'm basically adding a pre-populated config with only the theme set in skel
[11:46] <bluesabre> should just work
[11:46] <bluesabre> but we know how these things go
[11:48] <flocculant> indeed :)
[11:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: I guess I really should do a xubuntu-icon-theme bug anyway
[11:58] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes please, so I can link it to the upload
[11:58] <flocculant> oh boo
[11:59] <flocculant> stupid ppa warning ...
[12:01] <bluesabre> cool, seems to work
[12:02] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1571317
[12:02] <bluesabre> thanks
[12:02] <bluesabre> tested by making the default elementary, logging in as guest, seeing elementary as default, changing to galaxy, logging in as guest, seeing galaxy as default
[12:02] <bluesabre> good sign
[12:02] <flocculant> I'll add it to note for now - just in case it's not landed - this is one of those things I *would* forget on Thursday
[12:03] <bluesabre> :D
[12:03] <flocculant> apart from anything else - I only boot the laptop to check things for Simon :p
[12:09] <flocculant> sigh ... wiki
[12:11] <bluesabre> -- Wiki wiki means "quick" in Hawaiian. (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/wiki)
[12:11] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[12:11] <flocculant> no ubuntu wiki on Hawaii then :p
[12:11] <bluesabre> "Ubuntu Wiki" means slow in Open Source
[12:11] <flocculant> LOL
[12:13] <flocculant> this one's great - login (cos it's decided that even though you logged in 10 minutes ago - that's long enough) change a page, save it, clear the message - login to wiki to edit something else, rinse repeat until bored
[12:13] <flocculant> which is 2 minutes in this case - I'll go post something on rt.ubuntu instead
[12:14] <bluesabre> flocculant: xubuntu-default-settings approved
[12:14] <bluesabre> stgraber is around, so I should get those icons uploaded quickly as well
[12:14] <flocculant> \o/
[12:17] <bluesabre> oh man, lots of new icons since the last xubuntu-artwork upload
[12:17] <bluesabre> I only want those network ones
[12:17] <flocculant> oh really ...
[12:18] <bluesabre> ah
[12:18] <bluesabre> hm
[12:19] <bluesabre> confused
[12:19] <bluesabre> :D
[12:20] <bluesabre> the commits don't seem to line up with the upload date, not making sense of this
[12:21] <flocculant> I'm guessing that ochosi added something more recently than 2 days ago - cos originally his change didn't help, updating today and it did
[12:22] <bluesabre> I uploaded last time on Mar 15, but I've got hundreds of changed icons compared to https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/commits/master
[12:23] <flocculant> can't comment on that :)
[12:23] <bluesabre> weird
[12:24] <flocculant> not really - I wouldn't understand so I won't comment :p
[12:25] <bluesabre> maybe my last upload didn't actually include the changes I wrote in the log
[12:25] <bluesabre> nope, they do
[12:27] <bluesabre> hundreds was incorrect
[12:27] <bluesabre> thousands
[12:27] <bluesabre> https://paste.ubuntu.com/15893211/
[12:28] <flocculant> blimey
[12:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: ping
[12:28] <flocculant> mmm
[12:28] <bluesabre> :D
[12:29] <flocculant> I wonder then if the ppa icon theme is unnecessary
[12:29] <bluesabre> seems valuable to me
[12:30] <flocculant> ok - didn't know if the 'thing which makes the lock' ok was there previously
[12:30]  * Unit193 sighs at skel. :(
[12:30]  * flocculant sighed at wiki first
[12:30] <Unit193> But yeah, I checked, no other places it looks.
[12:31] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, lo only uses its registry file
[12:31] <Unit193> Nothing in xdg and just one file in etc (I straced..)
[12:34] <bluesabre> anyway, I can drop all those changed files except the network one and toss the package into -staging
[12:34] <bluesabre> *ones
[12:34] <bluesabre> I'm no good at plural today
[12:34] <flocculant> :)
[13:05] <bluesabre> xubuntu-artwork uploaded to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging - should build shortly
[13:11] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok
[13:15] <flocculant> bluesabre: artwork for the icon update is that?
[13:15] <bluesabre> flocculant: yup
[13:16] <flocculant> k - I'll check the lappy later on
[13:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: so if I check http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html later for default-settings later today and it's gone does that mean it's out of proposed?
[13:18] <flocculant> if it does - when I see that - I'll trigger a rebuild for us and check :)
[13:22] <bluesabre> flocculant: most likely
[13:23] <flocculant> ok - I'll check that all later
[13:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: or when https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/16.04.6 says its in release
[13:23] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks :)
[13:24] <flocculant> wandering off for a bit now
[13:24] <bluesabre> flocculant: if the ppa -artwork fixes things for you (or seems to keep them fixed, probably need to log out/in) we can get that uploaded as well
[13:24] <bluesabre> alrighty
[13:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: ack  - as soon as I know either I'll put it in here :)
[13:25] <bluesabre> great
[13:25] <bluesabre> going to go watch a movie now and chill for a bit
[13:25] <bluesabre> ping, I'm around
[13:25] <flocculant> much the same :)
[13:26] <Nairwolf> flocculant: The default menu on xubuntu is called whisker menu, right ?
[13:28] <flocculant> flocculant: yup
[13:32] <Nairwolf> ok
[13:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: first one was quick :) ppa artwork installed, xubuntu-icon-theme @16.04.2 > lock icons on wireless and strength look fine here - I can see it all with glasses off ;)
[13:46] <Nairwolf> xfwm do not have english wikipedia page...
[14:03] <Nairwolf> In this webpage : http://gottcode.org/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/ , they say that whisker menu is an alternate application launcher. Does it mean that Whisker isn't the launcher menu by default on Xfce ?
[14:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: it's a race \o/ let's see if it get's there before the rc build lands at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/359/builds :D
[15:31] <flocculant> must be something else - it's gone from excuses, it looks like it's in the release pocket, but it's not showing up anywhere else yet :)
[15:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: rebuilding 64bit only
[15:42] <krytarik> flocculant: That's because it's not arch-specific - and I see it here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xubuntu-default-settings/
[15:54] <flocculant> right - not sure it would have actually been there when it wasn't anywhere else - all appears to be catching up now
[15:58] <flocculant> at least the image is building with 16.04.6 :)
[16:03] <bluesabre> back now
[16:05] <bluesabre> flocculant: good to hear, I'll get that uploaded shortly
[16:05] <flocculant> bluesabre: just zsynced - checking live - installing from new iso
[16:06] <flocculant> so then that should be the LO bug fix released
[16:07] <bluesabre> correct
[16:07] <flocculant> mmm
[16:08] <flocculant> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/254235177/buildlog_ubuntu_xenial_amd64_xubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz showsxubuntu-default-settings all 16.04.6
[16:08] <flocculant> the zsynced one still shows .5
[16:12] <bluesabre> boo
[16:12] <flocculant> having another go :)
[16:13] <flocculant> maybe current wasn't properly synced with todays .1 build
[16:13] <flocculant> oh and the try/install dialogue is back :)
[16:14] <flocculant> right version of it now
[16:23] <PaulW2U> flocculant: install option still doesn't work here, boots to a vt then to desktop  :(
[16:24] <flocculant> bluesabre: confirm the LO fix
[16:25] <flocculant> PaulW2U: not sure what's been going on with the images over the last day or so - but the 64 bit that's showing on Final installs
[16:25] <PaulW2U> not for me
[16:25] <flocculant> there's been some strangeness
[16:26] <flocculant> PaulW2U: mmm
[16:26] <flocculant> PaulW2U: the 20160417.1 iso?
[16:27] <flocculant> first time I synced it - it was old - didn't actually try it - second time it was up to date
[16:27] <PaulW2U> flocculant: yes 17.1 ISO
[16:33] <flocculant> PaulW2U: not a clue then tbh as I'm installing from the image again here :)
[16:33] <flocculant> but if you choose the install option at the very first menu you could do so - it lands at the livesession
[16:34] <flocculant> in infinity's words "That sounds delighfully broken."
[16:35] <flocculant> there's a global rebuild going on now btw
[16:37] <PaulW2U> flocculant: agreed, I can start an install from the desktop but not the main menu
[16:37] <flocculant> ok - cool - I was a bit concerned then :)
[16:38] <flocculant> if I'm trying to prove something like I was with default-settings I'm going to boot to desktop first just to make sure it has what I'm expecting
[16:47] <flocculant> mmm - this time from Install at the first menu I'm installing
[17:48] <drc> 3 builds today, huh?  Problems or just finalizing things?
[17:50] <flocculant> drc: I rebuilt to check -default-settings change
[17:50] <flocculant> then there was a global one from -release team :)
[17:53] <ochosi> hey flocculant
[17:53] <ochosi> so wait, my patch worked after all?
[17:53] <ochosi> (for the icons)
[17:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: +1000 for getting that LO theme bug fixed!
[17:55] <flocculant> ochosi: yea not sure what was up there - it definitely hadn't previously - I did another update - fixed now *shrug*
[17:55] <ochosi> well as long as it's fixed and bluesabre can get it uploaded, it's all good ;)
[17:56] <flocculant> yup
[17:56] <flocculant> just waiting on -release for that now :)
[17:58] <ochosi> nice, so at least two bugs less in the imagea
[17:58] <flocculant> yep :)
[17:58] <ochosi> now thunar is our biggest whoopsie i guess?
[17:59] <flocculant> ochosi: thanks for your reply re team member - did mail whole team now
[17:59] <ochosi> or are there any other biggies?
[18:00] <flocculant> yea - thunar is pretty much it - cursor loss on suspend isn't much fun for those affected
[18:00] <ochosi> but that was graphics card/driver related if i recall correctly, right?
[18:00] <flocculant> yea
[18:00] <ochosi> right..
[18:00] <ochosi> always problems with that
[18:00] <flocculant> seemingly affects intel
[18:00] <ochosi> meh
[18:00] <ochosi> so it'll affect me :'(
[18:00] <flocculant> ...
[18:01] <flocculant> at least the work round is pretty painless ... ctrl+alt+f1 then ctrl+alt+f7
[18:01] <ochosi> yeah, but still
[18:02] <drc> biggie == 1) affects a bunch of people or biggie == the one whoopsie that will affect me and I need a fix, NOW! ? :)
[18:02] <flocculant> drc: indeed :D
[18:03] <flocculant> #xubuntu will be full of #2 next week
[18:03] <flocculant> I shall crosscheck LP name against bugs reported before last month :p
[18:04] <flocculant> ochosi: pretty sure it's https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815135
[18:04] <flocculant> but not quite sure enough to add it to the LP bug :D
[18:11] <ochosi> well you can always add it so we have it on the radar
[18:11] <flocculant> ok :)
[18:13] <flocculant> though I guess lightlocker is completely wrong and it should be xserver-xorg-video-intel
[18:13] <flocculant> because apart from anything it only happens after you've unlocked
[18:15] <ochosi> yeah
[18:15] <ochosi> bbabl
[18:26] <flocculant> ochosi bluesabre - x-artwork looks like accepted at least :)
[19:25] <drc> huh, just dl'd the 17.2 ISO, dd'd it to a usb stick, booted it. Touching nothing, it boots thru to the desktop (no try/install choice).Hitting enter and going thru the menus, I can go straight to install.  Is this the way it's supposed to work in this Brave New World?
[19:25] <flocculant> nope
[19:26] <drc> whoopsie (type 1 or 2?)
[19:26] <flocculant> it's the way it does with bug someone reported that I can't find at present :)
[19:27] <flocculant> bug 1570901
[19:27] <flocculant> the one I'm banging on about on the testing mails
[19:29] <drc> Why does Canonical feel they have to break ubiquity with each release?
[19:29] <drc> s/break/improve/
[19:30] <Unit193> drc: Jenga?
[19:30] <flocculant> not sure what's the issue here enough to know
[19:50] <flocculant> should really s/swissbot/bossybot :p
[19:51] <flocculant> or change ATTN to hey guys ...
[19:56] <Unit193> Well it's a notice, so not as nosiy as a msg, can ignore it too. :D
[19:56] <flocculant> sigh - so is the change to xubuntu-artwork through? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xubuntu-artwork/?C=M;O=D
[19:56] <flocculant> that makes me think it is
[19:57] <flocculant> if someone would be good enough to tell me one way or the other I'll rebuild both now
[19:57] <Unit193> (Though I can change 'ATTN' to anything.)
[19:57] <flocculant> Unit193: yea - I know you said that last time I joked about swissbot :p
[19:57] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork is a better link.
[19:57] <drc> Or "Hey you guys" (re: The Electric Company)
[19:58] <drc> or Goonies :)
[19:58] <flocculant> Unit193: thanks - and I assume if it was in -proposed it would say so against the 16.04.2 line?
[19:59] <flocculant> drc: :)
[19:59] <Unit193> flocculant: It'd have two, what's in release and what's in proposed, aye.
[19:59] <flocculant> cool - so I can rebuild and it will get the icon fix?
[19:59] <Unit193> In theory.
[20:00] <flocculant> you're not helping me here :D
[20:02] <Unit193> Hah, lucky me: xubuntu-artwork 16.04.1
[20:03] <flocculant> :)
[20:17] <Unit193> Yep, installer still craps out.
[20:25] <flocculant> still don't know whether to believe http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xubuntu-artwork/?C=M;O=D or http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xubuntu-artwork&suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names
[20:28] <Unit193> The first is the actual archive, second is just a user interface.
[20:29] <flocculant> well
[20:29] <flocculant> not spending anymore time on this tonight
[20:29] <Unit193> G'night.
[20:30] <flocculant> bluesabre: if you want to you can trigger a rebuild for us at tracker - then any more rebuilds we have to go through will be global ones - thanks
[20:30] <flocculant> back tomorrow :)
[20:31] <flocculant> ochosi: I guess I need to do one for the mailing list too? if so - that'll be in the morning as well
[20:31] <Unit193> ochosi: I even sent one, sooo. :P
[20:31] <ochosi> flocculant: nah, i'll just do an announcement and then that's it
[20:32] <ochosi> unless you wanna do the announcement, which is totally fine by me :)
[20:32] <ochosi> (i already write enough email @work)
[20:51] <ochosi> anyway, night y'all
[23:36] <drc> huh...is exaile going to be in the 16.04 repos?
[23:46] <Unit193> !info exaile xenial
[23:46] <Unit193> :3
[23:46] <drc> I know that.  I was wondering if it was going to be added at the last minute :)
[23:47] <drc> If not, any idea why it was dropped (I assume ther is a reasonable reason...just not one I like :)
[23:48] <Unit193> Oh, I see: RoQA; depends on gstreamer 0.10
[23:48] <drc> and  gstreamer 0.10's bben depreciated?
[23:49] <Unit193> A bit ago, and now removed from the archive finally.
[23:50] <drc> Well, that makes the decision easy.


[01:34] <cbilljones> im trying to install yesterdays daily build in virtualbox; at the moment it says "ready when you are..." last line in term is "nov 24.. ubuntu ubiquity{2422}: step_before = stepUserInfo" seems stuck
[01:43] <cbilljones> im going to try again, if it fails again ill try on an actual harddisk
[01:44] <charlie-tca> cbilljones, it will fail on hardware too
[01:44] <charlie-tca> The alternate image will install, the desktop image will fail
[01:45] <cbilljones> charlie-tca, gah ok, downloading alternate then
[01:45] <cbilljones> thanks
[01:45] <charlie-tca> Heh, two dvd-r coasters a day here.
[01:45] <cbilljones> i use usb drive :P
[01:47] <cbilljones> 1.5 hours till next attempt, dang slow internet :(
[01:47] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that too
[01:48] <charlie-tca> Takes me between 4 and 6 hours to rsync images everyday now
[01:48] <cbilljones> damn :(
[01:49] <cbilljones> is compiz+unity in the daily yet?
[01:50] <charlie-tca> I don't know for sure. I believe unity is, but not sure if compiz is working yet
[01:52] <cbilljones> charlie-tca, ok ill no soon; better install to hardware i guess so i can have 3d accel
[01:55] <Jordan_U> charlie-tca: I know when I use zsync to download daily images I usually only have to download a small percentage of the image for the changes. rsync should be just as efficient, but there are many more http mirrors than rsync ones, so it might still be faster (less load on the server).
[01:56] <charlie-tca> Jordan_U, it is very efficient, but my connection is a lot slow
[01:57] <charlie-tca> faster I get here is 150Kb/s
[01:57] <charlie-tca> and much of the time, I am lucky to 80
[01:57] <Jordan_U> charlie-tca: Also, if you use grub2 then you can just boot the daily image from the iso on your hard drive, on real hardware and without constantly copying to a flash drive.
[01:58] <Jordan_U> charlie-tca: CDs are going to way of floppies :)
[01:58] <cbilljones> jordan_U, the sooner the better in my opinion, lol
[01:58] <charlie-tca> Um, then it will be time for me to quit. When I can't boot from USB, and don't already have an image on the hard drive, it will become useless, right?
[02:03] <charlie-tca> I know I am the only one that can't use USB yet, but ...
[02:03] <cbilljones> im sure CD will be around till you get a mobo that can ;)
[02:04] <BLZbubba> i haven't tried 10.10 yet, does it still use upstart?  if so, will 11.04 be getting rid of it?
[02:05] <BLZbubba> i would also suggest that 11.04 replace 10.04 as the LTS since it is so unreliable
[02:05] <cbilljones> next LTS is 12.04; i dont see a reason to change cycle :|
[02:06] <charlie-tca> I don't see the issues with 10.04.  It is faster than konqueror
[06:49] <lolcat> And what it untidy? and how is it bether than gnome?
[06:51] <rww> lolcat: I'm not sure why you're comparing nautilus and konqueror...
[06:52] <rww> Kubuntu 11.04's going to use Dolphin, like 10.10 does. Ubuntu 11.04's going to use Nautilus isn't it? Or is that switching to some Unity thing? Either way, not Konqueror.
[06:53] <lolcat> Im just saying, Nautilus isn't bad
[06:53] <lolcat> what is unity, how is it like?
[06:53] <rww> Couldn't say, I haven't used it on 11.04.
[06:54] <rww> (and 10.10's is very different, from what I hear)
[06:59] <rww> ta
[08:10] <Cork> how do you get around the "dbfilter_handle_status: ('ubi-migrationassistant', 141)" when running the 11.04 desktop installer?
[13:41] <phoenix_firebrd> i am trying ubunu 11.04 daily builds. in the sound settings, under output tab i see a setting called "connector" . what does this setting do or change?
[13:42] <phoenix_firebrd> anyone there?
[15:28] <Gulfstream> I upgraded to Natty. I have lost the bar above the windows that had the minimize, maximiza, and close buttons. How do I get it back?
[15:32] <jussi> Gulfstream: I dont know about natty, but does "metacity --replace" or "compiz --replace" help?
[15:35] <Gulfstream> I typed in "metacity" and the window bars popped back. then I closed terminal and the process was killed =/
[15:38] <charlie-tca> hm, that is called the change to unity
[15:39] <charlie-tca> try choosing gnome session when loggin in
[15:41] <jussi> Gulfstream: alt+f2 ;)
[15:42] <Gulfstream> alt+f2 didn't bring the mini terminal up before when the bars were missing... :-(
[15:46] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: you need to delete your compiz configure file
[15:46] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: ~/.compiz
[15:50] <Gulfstream> what would the command for that happen to be?
[15:52] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: ctrl-alt-f2
[15:53] <Gulfstream> I don't think there should be the ctrl part...
[15:54] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: it will take you to tty
[15:57] <Gulfstream> is it possible to do this in Synaptic and completely remove compiz?
[16:05] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: up to you
[16:07] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: this problem is because of compiz 0.9.2 is not compatible with 0.8's configfiles
[16:08] <Gulfstream> so if I am using metacity, does compiz effect anything?
[16:12] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: y
[16:13] <Gulfstream> wzssyqa: I want to make sure it is safe so I don't wreak my Ubuntu installation
[16:13] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: then why upgrade to natty?
[16:14] <Gulfstream> wzssyqa: Because I accidentally upgraded to Maverick
[16:15] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: then why not stay on maverick?
[16:16] <Gulfstream> wzssyqa: Because I missed the parts I had on Lucid that Maverick lacked... Natty seemed to have what I wanted
[16:17] <xray7224> I'm upgrading to natty ;)
[16:17] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: what does maverick leak?
[16:21] <Gulfstream> wzssyqa: I would like to tell you but I don't want to make some people form a mob because of what I would say
[18:57] <hunger> yofel: Which version is your apt at? I think apt was one of the last things that got updated.
[18:57] <yofel> 0.8.9ubuntu3
[18:57] <yofel> I just ran aptitude, and that gave me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/536007/
[18:57] <hunger> yofel: I am still at 0.8.8ubuntu3... I'll download and upgrade that manually.
[19:00] <hunger> yofel: Arg!
[19:00] <hunger> yofel: Apt choked on the skype repo.
[19:00] <hunger> yofel: Removing that repo gets me 267 packages to update.
[19:00] <yofel> :/
[19:01] <hunger> yofel: The broken skype repo was never an issue before. I have that for *AGES* (since back when it used to work:-)
[19:01] <yofel> mvo: ^
[19:05] <yofel> hey, we got vim 7.3 :D
[19:49] <mvo> hunger: oh ? could you please file a bug for that
[20:07] <dsv> i booted 2.6.32-26-generic and my wifi stopped working. broadcom STA here. any ideas?
[20:08] <yofel> dsv: maverick support is in #ubuntu (you could try #ubuntu-beginners too)
[20:11] <bjsnider> maverick uses a newer kernel than that
[20:11] <bjsnider> he might be on lucid
[20:13] <yofel> er right, that's lucid..
[23:11] <MaximLevitsky> I have a suggestion
[23:12] <MaximLevitsky> Currently its possible to have a live USB disk, but itsn't a real installation, more like a live CD
[23:13] <MaximLevitsky> I suggest to make it possible simply to install ubuntu on a USB stick normally
[23:13] <MaximLevitsky> I know its possible but cumbersome
[23:15] <IdleOne> !usb
[23:15] <IdleOne> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[23:15] <IdleOne> ask and ye shall receive
[23:15] <IdleOne> :)
[23:18] <MaximLevitsky> IdleOne: thats isn't what I want
[23:18] <MaximLevitsky> With this the usb stick still has squashfs RO file, etc
[23:18] <MaximLevitsky> I want to have ubuntu on the usb as if it was on hardware
[23:18] <MaximLevitsky> single ext4 partition
[23:19] <MaximLevitsky> but I hate installing it there from a live cd
[23:19] <MaximLevitsky> which of course I can do
[23:19] <charlie-tca> Can't you just leave it plugged in then and use it like any other drive?
[23:20] <MaximLevitsky> charlie-tca: don't understand
[23:20] <charlie-tca> depending on the stick itself, you don't have to use it as a removable drive. You can plug it in and use it as a hard drive.
[23:21] <MaximLevitsky> charlie-tca: sure, but that isn't what I try to acheeve
[23:21] <MaximLevitsky> I want to have a mobile, always usable linux installation
[23:22] <MaximLevitsky> I just had a unpleasent corruption on my desktop, had to boot from usb stick
[23:22] <MaximLevitsky> And the default ubuntu sucks somewhat
[23:23] <MaximLevitsky> for example I would like to install custom kernel to the stick
[23:23] <MaximLevitsky> with all these caspers, etc, it all makes it harder
[23:23] <MaximLevitsky> Of course one of these days I just boot my system from live disk and install on usb stick
[23:24] <MaximLevitsky> It just was a suggestion to you to make that easier
[23:25] <charlie-tca> What about http://ubuntu-rescue-remix.org/
[23:25] <MaximLevitsky> users should even be able to install ubuntu on sticks in such way using windows
[23:25] <tonyyarusso> wait, what?
[23:25] <tonyyarusso> You can install Ubuntu on USB drives, and you can't do so with Windows last I checked.
[23:26] <MaximLevitsky> In summary I want to point out that I think that liveCD and liveUSB are very different
[23:26] <tonyyarusso> MaximLevitsky: To install to a USB drive, just select the proper disk device when partitioning.  It's easy.
[23:27] <MaximLevitsky> Of course, but my suggetion was to make it possible to do that without boot from liveCD
[23:27] <tonyyarusso> I don't understand.
[23:28] <tonyyarusso> You want to install an Ubuntu system on a USB drive, yes?
[23:28] <MaximLevitsky> Yes
[23:28] <MaximLevitsky> I run ubuntu now too
[23:28] <IdleOne> you mean download the iso, save it to the usb, boot from it and install the system to the usb
[23:28] <tonyyarusso> Okay, so what's stopping you?
[23:28] <MaximLevitsky> No, thats what I want:
[23:28] <MaximLevitsky> 1. download the iso
[23:29] <MaximLevitsky> 2. run installer from that iso using my ubuntu system and install it to the usb drive as if it was hard disk
[23:29] <MaximLevitsky> boot from usb stick and use it as if it was hard disk
[23:30] <tonyyarusso> Oh, you want to be able to run the installer as if it was a program, not a fully booted environment, having nothing to do with USB disks or not.
[23:30] <MaximLevitsky> Something like that, even better to have the 'installer' as a package on the system
[23:31] <MaximLevitsky> a part of usb-creater


[05:30] <flocculant> jbicha: we likely to see an update to gvfs before release? bug 1739537
[05:30] <ubot5`> bug 1739537 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "mtp volume is not removed when unplugging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1739537
[08:18] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:27] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:29] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[08:36] <duflu> seb128, I was hungry so snacked. Fine now :) You?
[08:36] <seb128> I'm good :)
[08:37] <dupondje> Hi guys. Small question, what could be the cause that gnome-terminal laggs my whole pc when there is fast output in it (like when I tail -f some logfile)
[08:39] <dupondje> gnome-terminal goes to like 60% cpu :s
[08:49] <duflu> dupondje, that sounds familiar but I can't fine the Ubuntu bug reports. You would have more luck looking upstream closer to the source: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=gnome%20terminal%20performance
[08:49] <duflu> I also can't *find* them
[08:56] <duflu> dupondje, maybe https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778926
[08:57] <duflu> One surprising side-effect of using Wayland instead of X11 is that there is now no 2D acceleration where previously there was in Xorg. So some simple things like clearing a rectangle to a colour or scrolling could be much more CPU intensive with Wayland
[08:58] <duflu> So I discovered when working on GTK performance issues in 17.10
[08:59] <dupondje> That seems the be the issue indeed :) Cause its since I'm using a new laptop with HiDPi
[08:59] <dupondje> 2D acceleration still needs to be added or ?
[09:01] <duflu> dupondje, OK then two separate issues. (1) Please subscribe to that bug. (2) I don't think 2D acceleration is planned at all, AFAIK. Devs would probably prefer instead that more people used OpenGL instead of software blitting. Fortunately GTK4 does exactly that, compared to GTK3
[09:02] <duflu> And Qt already does. So only GTK3 is a problem really
[09:02] <duflu> Only GTK3 on Wayland is a problem really
[09:04] <duflu> dupondje, solving the problem you describe is one of the main goals of GTK4, as far as I have heard
[09:05] <dupondje> but gtk4 is for 20xx? :D
[09:05] <duflu> Yes, probably this century
[09:06]  * duflu has no idea on the timeline for that
[09:06] <dupondje> so until then we have to live with gnome-terminal eating 60% cpu? :D
[09:07] <duflu> dupondje, if you scroll fast enough then yes. You have to keep in mind the computer will and must display each frame accurately. So if you scroll really fast it's like asking the machine to play a 3D game with software rendering
[09:11] <duflu> That's what GPUs are *mostly* for. To avoid that bottleneck and push hundreds of millions of unique pixels to the screen each second, more efficiently than a CPU can
[09:18] <duflu> Then there is the argument that it's not really an important bug. If your terminal is scrolling so fast that it uses significant CPU then it's already too fast to read, and not useful. Maybe redirect your output so it doesn't scroll
[09:22] <dupondje> well partly agree :) thing is, it worked fine, and now (on wayland) its broken, which is not cool ofcourse
[09:30] <duflu> dupondje, yeah I experienced similar when testing window (actually just decorations) redraw performance. It was much faster with X11 vs Wayland
[09:30] <duflu> But that's somewhat intentional. No fast path exists for GTK3 on Wayland yet
[09:35] <dupondje> in fact its better to stay on X11 then :)
[09:35] <dupondje> in this stage
[09:38] <duflu> dupondje, there are benefits and drawbacks. It's also possible gnome-terminal just contains some bug that is fixable without needing GTK4 acceleration
[09:39] <duflu> But in general you can't animate in software a largish window like a terminal that is scrolling without using noticeable CPU
[12:08] <LyzardKing_> willcooke: Hi! I'm the maintainer for ubuntu-make. I just updated the wiki.ubuntu.com page to reflect the recent changes (snap, ppa, and other details.). At the moment the updated ppa is on my personal launchapd account. Is the ubuntu team interested in keeping instead the ubuntu-desktop ppa (aka the old one...)?
[12:40] <jbicha> flocculant: do you mean for bionic or for artful? (gvfs)
[12:56] <alexarnaud> jbicha: Hello, do you plan to package BRLTTY 5.5 for Ubuntu 18.04 ? Do I have to fill a bug for that ? It's braille display driver for GNU/Linux.
[12:59] <jbicha> alexarnaud: I'm not working on brltty now
[13:02] <alexarnaud> I know but who is in charge of this package ? Do you plan to migrate the BRLTTY package from main to community to use the Debian package ?
[13:04] <alexarnaud> The new BRLTTY release 5.5 comes in April 2017 and Ubuntu BRLTTY package stays on 5.4.
[13:04] <jbicha> no, brltty needs to stay in main
[13:05] <jbicha> lots of people are on holiday now
[13:06] <jbicha> maybe ask in #ubuntu-devel in January, maybe you can find someone from the Foundations Team to work on doing the merge (updating the package)
[13:07] <jbicha> you can file a bug if you like. If you do, add the tags upgrade-software-version and needs-debian-merge
[13:08] <alexarnaud> OK :), to be honest I don't exactly why BRLTTY needs to be in main. But you're more experienced than me. I just want to inform you about the current situation of BRLTTY on Ubuntu. As I've to help blind people to use Ubuntu since few months I think it could better to have an up-to-date BRLTTY package on 18.04.
[13:08] <alexarnaud> Thanks, I'll do that.
[13:22] <jbicha> it needs to be in main so that it can be used in the installer
[13:54] <alexarnaud> Oh, thanks for the explanation.
[17:27] <flocculant> jbicha: bionic :p
[17:27] <jbicha> flocculant: sure, we'll package a new release eventually
[17:28] <jbicha> gvfs follows the GNOME release schedule so if we package GNOME 3.28, that's around February https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointTwentyseven
[17:29] <flocculant> jbicha: okey doke - thanks for the info
[17:29] <flocculant> was a bit disconcerting when I had a bunch of phones and tablets apparently :p
[17:34] <kenvandine> heber, popey just invited you to be a mentor, can you please accept it?
[17:42] <heber> kenvandine, sure let me check
[21:13] <robert_ancell> jackpot51, hello, looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/1699216
[21:23] <robert_ancell> jackpot51, I updated the bug with some feedback.
[22:02] <jackpot51> Thanks robert_ancell
[22:02] <jackpot51> I will get to work on updating it
[22:15] <robert_ancell> jackpot51, note I haven't got confirmation from the original authors that is a valid use of account type but it seems reasonable to me. The other option was a CreateUser2 method that took params arg of type "a{sv}" so we could add any other future options into it.
[22:16] <jackpot51> That makes sense


[05:19] <guest42315> 𝓐𝓱, 𝔀𝓱𝓪𝓽 𝓪 𝓯𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓯𝓸𝓻 𝓢𝓬𝓲𝓮𝓷𝓬𝓮!
[06:17] <guest42315> is OTA6 landing today?
[08:19] <mzanetti> guest42315, no
[09:01] <guest42315> mzanetti, 𝓸𝓱 𝔀𝓮𝓵𝓵, 𝓶𝓪𝔂𝓫𝓮 𝓷𝓮𝔁𝓽 𝔀𝓮𝓮𝓴
[09:01] <mzanetti> didn't even know one could change font in here
[09:01] <guest42315> mzanetti, http://antglove.com/erger/
[09:20]  * guest42315 𝖎 𝖓𝖊𝖊𝖉 𝖇𝖑𝖔𝖔𝖉!
[10:05] <cimi> tsdgeos, ping
[10:06] <tsdgeos> cimi: hi
[10:06] <cimi> tsdgeos, just realised we might have a bug in card anyway, if you set cardData["background"]["type"] to "color" you still have a gradient
[10:06] <tsdgeos> cimi: in the current card?
[10:06] <cimi> tsdgeos, yup
[10:09] <tsdgeos> give me a sec i destroyed my dev env
[10:14] <tsdgeos> cimi: even if there's a bug doesn't mean you should not fix the other bug :D
[10:15] <cimi> tsdgeos, yeah, just saying
[10:15] <tsdgeos> i may have broken that
[10:15] <tsdgeos> let me log
[10:15] <cimi> tsdgeos, because I changed my code a little in the branch, and something is still wrong
[10:15] <cimi> tsdgeos, backgroundMode: cardData && typeof cardData["background"] [10:17] <tsdgeos> or was broken for a long time :D
[10:17] <tsdgeos> since last year at least
[10:19] <cimi> yeah
[10:26] <tsdgeos> cimi: does that work?
[10:31] <cimi> nope
[10:35] <cimi> tsdgeos, I tried putting console.log("card type", cardData["background"]["type"]); \n\ inside the getColor function of that card, and always says cardData["background"] is undefined
[10:35] <cimi> tsdgeos, I am wondering if it ever worked
[10:35] <tsdgeos> well you get gradient or not
[10:35] <tsdgeos> do you?
[10:37] <cimi> tsdgeos, but is always the same color
[10:37] <tsdgeos> wht do you mean it's always the same color?
[10:37] <cimi> tsdgeos, and to be honest, if cardData changes the color won't change
[10:37] <cimi> tsdgeos, the function getColor(0) (1) is not a binding, so is only evaluated at creation
[10:38] <tsdgeos> correct
[10:38] <tsdgeos> that's enough
[10:38] <cimi> tsdgeos, I am not sure when cardData is set
[10:38] <cimi> tsdgeos, is it set before the creation?
[10:39] <tsdgeos> i don't know
[10:39] <cimi> nevermind let me see
[10:40] <tsdgeos> cimi: so you're using the tests?
[10:40] <tsdgeos> because in the tests the color is now driven by cardData but by the template
[10:41] <cimi> tsdgeos, I just realised the test use background "elements"
[10:41] <cimi> let me see
[10:41] <cimi> 5 mins
[10:46] <cimi> tsdgeos, I pushed, test pass now
[10:47] <tsdgeos> tests were passing before too, does it actually work?
[10:49] <tsdgeos> seems it does :)
[10:49] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, hiho, could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/volumeSliderNotification/+merge/268518 for me? should be straightforward
[10:50] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, there's a bug report attached to it
[10:50] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, for more explanation
[10:50] <tsdgeos> sure
[11:25] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: commented on it
[11:25] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, ty
[13:22] <mterry> mzanetti, We have an EdgeDraggable (or something) class that I remember you(?) mentioning doesn't work with mice?
[13:23] <mzanetti> mterry, DDA
[13:23] <mzanetti> mterry, well, all of them
[13:23] <mzanetti> mterry, ah nice. You looking into the emulator issue?
[13:23] <mterry> mzanetti, yeah kgunn mentioned it.  I assume it's not an easy fix?
[13:24] <mterry> mzanetti, (other solution is to disable demo in emulator if we can detect it...)
[13:24] <mterry> But that's gross
[13:24] <mterry> I think we disabled the edge demo in Desktop mode
[13:24] <mterry> For that same reason
[13:24] <mzanetti> yeah... would prolly go for that, given the timeline
[13:24] <mzanetti> yeah
[13:24] <mzanetti> but.
[13:24] <mzanetti> will still be a problem with bringing in the launcher
[13:24] <mzanetti> or the right edge
[13:25] <mzanetti> we might need to run unity8 with -mousetouch in the emulator
[13:25] <dandrader> greyback, mzanetti, about the mousePointer branches: we need a lot of its code in any case as it has the code that makes window borders change the cursor shape and adds the needed API to enable QML to select cursor shapes not available when using Qt's API
[13:25] <mzanetti> dandrader, yep, saw the comment on the MP
[13:25] <mterry> mzanetti, how do we handle launcher/right edge on Desktop?
[13:25] <dandrader> greyback, mzanetti, is the guy making the mir cursor work also doing qtmir & unity8 stuff?
[13:25] <mzanetti> mterry, launcher can be revealed with mouse hovering... I just remember
[13:26] <mzanetti> mterry, the phone spread is not there on desktop, there's the desktop stage
[13:26] <mzanetti> mterry, but I assume we want the phoneStage on the emulator
[13:26] <greyback> dandrader: I don't have good answers for that yet, we need to figure that out next week
[13:26] <mterry> mzanetti, honestly, -mousetouch sounds like a good solution.  The emulator is emulating the phone, were things are touch events
[13:26] <mzanetti> mterry, proper fix would really be to make the emulator convert mouse to touch
[13:26] <greyback> dandrader: you're right, lots of the code there is useful still
[13:26] <mzanetti> mterry, yeah, -mousetouch should do
[13:28] <mterry> mzanetti, so I guess if we can detect it, our upstart job should pass that
[13:28] <mzanetti> mterry, yes
[13:28] <mzanetti> mterry, oh, also:
[13:28] <mterry> rsalveti, do you know how an upstart job (or anything) might detect it's running in an emulator?
[13:28] <mterry> rsalveti, specifically, our Touch emulator
[13:28] <mterry> Not just any emulator  :)
[13:28] <mzanetti> mterry, I heard that it starts in windowed mode. we probably want to override usage-mode with Staged
[13:29] <mzanetti> mterry, just like we do windowed override for desktop
[13:29] <mzanetti> mterry, as we can't know how many mice keyboards people have plugged, we always want it in staged
[13:29] <mzanetti> I guess
[13:29] <mzanetti> for now at least that would do
[13:29] <mzanetti> until we ship pocket desktop
[13:30] <mterry> Hrm.  That's not a command line option, so that would need detection in C/qml
[13:37] <mterry> It looks like maybe the emulator sets ANDROID_PRODUCT_OUT
[13:38] <scriptmonkey00> wondering if anyone can give me some advice on the best way to turn a shell script into an icon on my Unity desktop...
[13:38] <scriptmonkey00> as-is when I doubleclick on it, it just opens it to edit
[13:39] <mzanetti> mterry, getprop should hel
[13:39] <mzanetti> p
[13:41] <mterry> mzanetti, ah fair
[13:46] <mterry> kgunn, I just went through the emulator with a mouse... and it seemed to work?
[13:46] <mterry> kgunn, on vivid
[13:46] <mterry> +overlay
[13:47] <kgunn> mterry: no change ?
[13:47] <kgunn> so vivid+o+silo9
[13:47] <kgunn> ?
[13:47] <mterry> kgunn, oh didn't grab silo9...  does that make it worse?
[13:48] <kgunn> mterry: that's interesting, well, there is a mir fix in there for "screen config reporting"
[13:48] <kgunn> and there's some uitk fix in there
[13:48] <kgunn> (for shader stuff i think)
[13:49] <mterry> kgunn, will try with 9.  where is the report of it not working?
[13:50] <kgunn> mterry: davmor2 irc
[13:52] <kgunn> greyback: so the qtmir proposed fix, check for children....2 ques, are tp's always and forever children ? (wondering if there is some odd case where we did a custom thing and they are not)
[13:52] <kgunn> second, do we not have children in cases other than tp ?
[13:52] <kgunn> it's qwidget call basically right?
[13:53] <kgunn> or sorry qabstractitemmodel
[13:53] <greyback> kgunn: TPs are always children to a session. TP allow data to be shared from one thing to another, so TP need to have a "thing" to share data with
[13:53] <greyback> kgunn: atm, the only children are TPs
[13:55] <kgunn> greyback: browser tabs ?
[13:56] <greyback> kgunn: nope
[13:58] <kgunn> greyback: do you have silo16 on? try browser tabs....specifically open 2, then try to get it into the mode where they are both shown (as in you can choose from what you see)
[13:58] <kgunn> if that makes sense
[13:58] <kgunn> having trouble here
[13:58] <kgunn> on arale
[13:58] <mterry> oh I was testing old emulator image
[13:58] <kgunn> mterry: yeah, wonder if mir might have "regressed" something
[13:58] <kgunn> ?
[13:58] <kgunn> like you were on an old mir
[13:59] <mterry> kgunn, old ubuntu-touch image/channel
[13:59] <kgunn> hmmm...but if you loaded silo9 you would get the new one
[13:59] <mterry> kgunn, testing rc-proposed now
[13:59] <greyback> kgunn: working for me, the bottom swipe up shows me the 2 tabs, and I can select as usual
[14:00] <kgunn> greyback: so, launched clock...tp comes up, don't select, put clock to background, for like a long time (my phone might have even gone into suspend)
[14:00] <kgunn> wake, bring clock fwd
[14:01] <kgunn> select accept
[14:01] <kgunn> clock app goes blank(white) and eventually crashes
[14:01] <kgunn> damn have a 1on1...will check for crash log tho
[14:02] <greyback> trying
[14:14] <greyback> kgunn: ok, similar steps, clock did vanish when I tapped on it. Logs indicate it crashed.
[14:16] <greyback> dunno why yet. Would be flabbergasted if due to that patch, but let's see if I can repro without
[14:19] <mterry> kgunn, ok can reproduce with latest everything + silo9
[14:38] <kgunn> greyback: are you testing on mako or arale ?
[14:39] <kgunn> curious
[14:39] <greyback> kgunn: arale & krillin
[14:39] <kgunn> greyback: are you really not having any trouble with the browser tabs ?
[14:39] <kgunn> bottom swipe
[14:40] <greyback> kgunn: nope, it's fine
[14:40] <kgunn> greyback: what image are you on ?
[14:40] <kgunn> i'm on 95
[14:40] <rsalveti> mterry: what do you want to check?
[14:40] <greyback> kgunn: 95
[14:41] <rsalveti> if you're running on the emulator?
[14:41] <mterry> rsalveti, I think I got it...  getprop ro.hardware == goldfish?
[14:41] <mterry> mzanetti, -mousetouch doesn't fix the issue for me...
[14:43] <mzanetti> ouch
[14:43] <rsalveti> mterry: yes, you can check if the hardware name starts with goldfish, or by checking if you have 'qemu=1' at /proc/cmdline
[14:43] <rsalveti> that's how we check for the emulator in a few scripts we have
[14:47] <mterry> rsalveti, starts with goldfish, not equals?
[14:48] <greyback> kgunn: have reproduced that trust-helper+clock-app crash on vanilla image
[14:49] <rsalveti> mterry: do you have the emulator running? I need to check if the x86 version has _x86 appended to it
[14:49] <rsalveti> creating the image here to check
[14:49] <rsalveti> if you have it around, just call getprop and paste me the output
[14:49] <mterry> rsalveti, it doesn't
[14:49] <mterry> rsalveti, ok, will pastebin
[14:50] <mzanetti> mterry, so if -mousetouch isn't doing, what's the issue then?
[14:50] <mterry> rsalveti, paste.ubuntu.com/12135961
[14:50] <mterry> mzanetti, not sure...  so it's not even letting me drag from left in tutorial mode
[14:51] <mterry> mzanetti, which is even worse than the DDA issue we had when we disabled parts of the greeter on the desktop
[14:51] <rsalveti> mterry: yeah, hardware will be goldfish for both
[14:51] <mzanetti> odd
[14:51] <rsalveti> [ro.build.product]: [generic_x86]
[14:51] <mterry> mzanetti, in that situation, we could drag from left, but not do the more fancy right-edge tutorial
[14:51] <kgunn> greyback: this is what i'm seeing
[14:51] <rsalveti> that would be the one that has _x86, which is usually the one we use when checking for different devices
[14:51] <kgunn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL3Z8oCtKkY
[14:51] <mterry> mzanetti, I also can't swipe greeter away if I force it to be in phone usagescenario
[14:51] <rsalveti> mterry: so ro.hardware should be all good
[14:51] <mzanetti> but dragging from left (launcher at least) is a touch-only DDA  too
[14:52] <mterry> mzanetti, is it?  maybe it didn't used to be?  but ok
[14:52] <rsalveti> and in case you don't want to use getprop for that, you can just check for 'qemu=1' at /proc/cmdline
[14:52] <mterry> rsalveti, ok thanks
[14:52] <greyback> kgunn: weird
[14:53] <mterry> mzanetti, so we can check for emulator using goldfish.  If we pass -devicename=goldfish or whatever, we can have a different DeviceConfiguration for it or do whatever we want in qml
[14:53] <mterry> mzanetti, so I'll try skipping the whole tutorial instead of just part of it
[14:53] <mterry> mzanetti, but i'm not sure we want it to be in phone usageScenario since we can't swipe greeter away
[14:54] <mzanetti> but that's the whole point of it... emulating the phone
[14:54] <greyback> and that used to work
[14:55] <kgunn> but it's more phone like than being absolutely useless atm :)
[14:55] <mzanetti> kgunn, what's that browser thing?
[14:56] <mterry> mzanetti, I'm not sure why -mousetouch isn't working
[14:56] <mterry> mzanetti, presumably that would fix this
[14:56] <mzanetti> yeah... we should try to find that...
[14:57] <kgunn> mzanetti: see video link ^^^
[14:57] <mzanetti> yeah, I watched the video, and can see the tabs are not animating smooth, but what's the context?
[14:59] <mzanetti> cannot repro the browser thing btw
[14:59] <kgunn> mzanetti: iiuc, the tab should stall on a short swipe, showing all tabs open
[14:59] <kgunn> to choose
[14:59] <kgunn> but good news
[14:59] <kgunn> virgin image does the same thing for me
[14:59] <kgunn> and it might be the user
[14:59] <kgunn> or maybe something landed overnight
[14:59] <mzanetti> yep. that works here, both with virgin o krillin and with silo 16 on mako
[15:00] <kgunn> i flashed rc-prposed....wonder, that is likely not the same as our ota6 phone image
[15:00] <kgunn> since they took a snapshot of ppa
[15:01] <kgunn> hmmm anyhoo...maybe it's just my thumb it doesn't like
[15:05] <tsdgeos> cimi: another regression in our shapes13 branch
[15:06] <mterry> mzanetti, kgunn: ok, have branch to skip tutorial.  will file MP now
[15:06] <mzanetti> mterry, how about the right edge then?
[15:08] <mterry> mzanetti, I haven't fully looked into why drags aren't working
[15:08] <mterry> mzanetti, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/fix-emulator-tutorial/+merge/268607
[15:08] <mterry> mzanetti, that is just a very dumb "skip tutorial entirely in desktop mode" MP
[15:09] <mterry> mzanetti, if we fix drags in emulator and can put it back in phone mode, presumably the tutorial will also work again
[15:09] <mzanetti> yeah, very likely
[15:10] <mterry> oh gosh, I don't know if tests pass with that branch, let me check
[15:10] <mterry> mzanetti, presumably the desktop tutorial was also broken then without this MP
[15:11] <mterry> mzanetti, since it seems we grew the usage of the problematic drag code
[15:11] <mzanetti> at least I didn't hear any complaints
[15:11] <mzanetti> but might well be, yes
[15:12] <kgunn> mzanetti: bfiller says "like silo 17 is building for the fix to qtmir for the ghosting apps that we think is causing the content-hub/MMS crash of https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486890"
[15:12] <mzanetti> kgunn, yep, I'm building that one
[15:12] <kgunn> k
[15:12] <kgunn> didn't know if he jwent and did that himself
[15:13] <mzanetti> kgunn, I've tried reproducing their isse, I couldn't see the crash they're talking about, but the ghost surfaces are definitely involved there
[15:17] <kgunn> mzanetti: are you and gerry ready to say +1 on silo 16 ?
[15:18] <kgunn> i'm seeing 1 or 2 issues, but i think they're rotation related...unrelated to tp change
[15:18] <greyback> kgunn: I'm happy to +1 it
[15:22] <kgunn> wtf.... ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer doesn't have shell rotation ?
[15:22] <tsdgeos> mterry: do we realy want to turn on the screen when getting notifications?
[15:22] <kgunn> but ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu does...
[15:23] <greyback> I've no idea what ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer is, but it seems ancient/broken
[15:23] <mterry> tsdgeos, I'm not 100% sure, but couldn't think of why we'd show something we don't want the user to see
[15:23] <kgunn> greyback: we advertise it on ubuntu public wiki as "good for app devs" cause it has all the extra stuffs
[15:23] <tsdgeos> mterry: because he's not looking?
[15:24] <mterry> tsdgeos, ?
[15:24] <tsdgeos> mterry: the screen is off, means that most probbly the person is not looking at the phone
[15:24] <greyback> kgunn: really? Ok, we'd better get someone to look at it
[15:24] <tsdgeos> how often are you looking at your phone when the screen is turned off?
[15:25] <mterry> tsdgeos, ... I mean the point is that your phone beeps or vibrates and the screen comes on.  Like you get an SMS or something
[15:25] <mzanetti> kgunn, yes, +1 here too
[15:25] <mterry> tsdgeos, like how all phones work  :)
[15:25] <mterry> tsdgeos, we do this today
[15:25] <tsdgeos> mterry: really?
[15:25] <mterry> tsdgeos, that branch is about consolidating code branches
[15:25] <tsdgeos> the phone i use doesn't do that
[15:25] <tsdgeos> one for phone calls
[15:26] <tsdgeos> the rest just beeps and that's it
[15:26] <mterry> tsdgeos, for example, we don't do it on telegram message right now (or any push messages) but we should treat them the same as SMS
[15:26] <tsdgeos> s/one/only
[15:26] <mterry> tsdgeos, well android and ios do it.  We do it for SMS and calls
[15:26] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, the phone you use has a notification LED that makes everyone blind when looking at it
[15:26] <tsdgeos> mterry: that was my other question, you say "unify"
[15:26] <tsdgeos> but there's no more branches?
[15:27] <tsdgeos> i thought unification meant there would be code removed from somewhere else?
[15:27] <mterry> tsdgeos, once we land this we could go and add branches to the places that currently turn the screen off and remove them
[15:27] <kgunn> greyback: one thing, did you see why clock crashed ?
[15:27] <mterry> tsdgeos, but it's harmless to do it twice in the meantime
[15:27] <mterry> tsdgeos, I suppose I could make the branches now
[15:27] <tsdgeos> mterry: ok, you meant "turn the screen on and remove them" and not off, right?
[15:27] <mterry> tsdgeos, I just wanted to get opinions on this first
[15:27] <mterry> tsdgeos, right...  not on-then-off.  I meant turn the screen on and then go and remove the duplicate lines of code
[15:28] <tsdgeos> ok
[15:28] <greyback> kgunn: something weird going on. Here's my stacktrace: https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/7ec19558-4730-11e5-a7eb-fa163e707a72 - crashed somewhere in dbus of all places
[15:28] <greyback> kgunn: hoping not clash between libdbus-cpp & qtdbus
[15:29] <tsdgeos> mterry: and why we don't do it for confirmation? because they are "ok i did something you asked" and thus not that important?
[15:29] <mterry> tsdgeos, right.  That's like volume change notifications.  For which we don't turn the screen on today intentionally.  I wanted to keep that behavior
[15:29] <tsdgeos> oki
[15:30] <tsdgeos> mterry: i agree that unifying on one place makes sense
[15:30] <tsdgeos> i'll comment on that and we can wait for more comments
[15:30] <kgunn> greyback: minor nit, do we expect a TP to hold the screen on eternally  ?
[15:30] <greyback> kgunn: no
[15:31] <kgunn> i see that
[15:31] <kgunn> and....
[15:31] <kgunn> i left it there for many minutes
[15:31] <kgunn> > 5min
[15:31] <kgunn> i finally hit accept
[15:31] <kgunn> and the recording does not continue
[15:31] <greyback> that's USC's job to timeout the screen
[15:31] <kgunn> ....and now camera app seems frozen
[15:31] <greyback> ah, camera app may be keeping dsplay on
[15:32] <greyback> which is thinks it is justified to do, as it is focused
[15:37] <kgunn> but hmmm...
[15:37] <kgunn> this is messed up
[15:37] <kgunn> shell responsive but camera not
[15:37] <kgunn> at all
[15:38] <mzanetti> kgunn, now stop breaking things :D
[15:39] <mterry> mzanetti, ok I think I fixed the only test broken by my emulator-tutorial branch
[15:39] <mzanetti> ack
[15:40] <mterry> (it's hard to tell, we seem to have multiple failures in trunk, right?)
[15:41]  * mterry wants to make sure it's not just my crazy machine
[15:41] <mzanetti> mterry, we shouldn't have
[15:42] <mzanetti> mterry, but ci being broken atm makes it a bit hard to tell (there's ongoing efforts to fix ci)
[15:42] <dandrader> greyback, and easy one for you: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtubuntu/ensureDBusClipboardReady/+merge/268612
[15:44] <greyback> dandrader: ok. you got some comments on ghostApps iin the mean time
[15:45] <dandrader> greyback, yeah. saw the e-mail. guess this has higher priority
[15:45] <dandrader> (ghostApps, that is)
[15:46] <dandrader> greyback, "or crashed of its own accord" <- how can an app crash of its own accord? :)
[15:46] <greyback> dandrader: yes yes
[15:46] <dandrader> I see it can end/stop/close of its own accord, but crashing...
[15:46] <greyback> :)
[15:47] <kgunn> @unity anyone know how to "reset" say camera app to reprompt for trusted prompts
[15:47] <dandrader> greyback, but I get your point
[15:47] <greyback> kgunn: delete ~/.local/share/CameraSomething/trust.db
[15:47] <kgunn> ta
[15:48] <greyback> CameraService
[15:48] <mzanetti> kgunn, actually, to repro this bug you want also ~/.local/share/PulseAudio/trust.db
[15:48] <greyback> dandrader: cool
[15:48] <greyback> I tend to nuke ~/.local/share/UbuntuLocationService/trust.db too
[15:48] <greyback> then reboot
[15:48] <mzanetti> kgunn, and to verify if we dodn't break other trusted sessions you might want ~/.local/share/LocationService/trust.db
[15:49] <mzanetti> yeah.... that: find ~/.local -name trust.db -exec rm {} \;
[15:56] <kgunn> mzanetti: greyback so on either the audio or camera TP within camera app, if you leave for a while...then hit accept
[15:57] <kgunn> camera app becomes unresponsive and camera service spins ~50%
[15:57] <greyback> kgunn: I think I got similar with vanilla image tho
[15:58] <greyback> it's as if they timeout if they don't get a reply within certain time
[16:00] <kgunn> greyback: yes...
[16:00] <kgunn> confirmed
[16:00] <kgunn> so mzanetti greyback i am now +1 also
[16:00] <kgunn> on the silo 16
[16:01] <kgunn> i see same bugs on virgin image i see
[16:01] <mzanetti> kgunn, cool.
[16:01] <mzanetti> kgunn, maybe we should write those bugs down tho
[16:03] <greyback> dandrader: mzanetti found ghost with ghostApps, I confirmed, I added steps to repro in the MR
[16:04] <kgunn> ack, will log
[16:12] <dandrader> greyback, related to those 3 bugs or is it a different, forth, use case?
[16:12] <greyback> dandrader: the symptoms are the same, and steps to repro very close to one of the bugs
[16:13] <greyback> since i can't repro on arale, there still may be a race in there somewhere
[16:35] <o> _O


[00:00] <n2deep> and as far as I know that is what LXC does
[00:06] <RoyK> n2deep: why virtualbox when kvm is so cool?
[00:07] <RoyK> !kvm
[00:07] <RoyK> btw, lxc is ok, too, but I prefer isolating VMs properly so that if something happens, it happens to that VM alone
[01:36] <n2deep> RoyK: I'm waiting for KVM on OpenIndiana to level off a little bit before I explore that deeply.
[01:38] <n2deep> RoyK: I've explored zones on OS/OI, now I'm exploring LXC on Linux, since LXC seems to have matured recently.
[02:39] <SpamapS> n2deep: LXC still has a long way to go to catch up with things like OpenVZ.. but its quite cool and quite useful right now. :)
[02:44] <JoeCoder> Hello.  I used certtools to create a private key and certificate request, traded the request with my ssl provider for a cert and chain file; all this works great with apache.  but when I modify /etc/postfix/main.cf to point to the private-key and cert files, it acts like it doesn't even read them.  Inspecting the cert in thunderbird shows Organization=Courier Mail Server
[02:45] <JoeCoder> this is my main.cf:  https://gist.github.com/589c9e2d23617b4230c0
[02:45] <JoeCoder> my changes are at the very bottom
[02:45] <JoeCoder> the paths are valid
[02:45] <JoeCoder> mail.log records these errors:
[02:46] <JoeCoder> imapd: couriertls: read: error:14094412:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert bad certificate
[02:47] <JoeCoder> any ideas?
[02:50] <JoeCoder> wait, duh.  Those settings are for smtp
[02:50] <JoeCoder> thunderbird complains about the cert on opening the inbox, not on sending.
[02:51] <JoeCoder> so I think I need to be configuring courier and not postfix?
[02:51] <JoeCoder> one wonders how i got this far and am still asking questions like that.
[02:56] <JoeCoder> can I use one private key / certificate request to get certificates for multiple domains?
[02:58] <qman__> only if you get a wildcard cert, which costs a small fortune
[02:58] <qman__> you can use the same key but you have to buy a separate cert for each domain, and each needs its own request
[02:59] <JoeCoder> so far, startssl has been giving me certs for multiple domains for free
[02:59] <JoeCoder> but each one needs a different request--that's what I wanted to know.
[03:00] <qman__> yeah, I got one through them too
[03:00] <qman__> a little difficult to get set up compared to others, but free is free, and they've definitely got security in mind
[03:00] <JoeCoder> I thought it was difficult too; but it was the first time I setup a cert with anyone.
[03:02] <qman__> most of the difficulty is in the fact that most browsers don't have client certificates implemented properly / well
[03:02] <qman__> and client certificates have been around for ages, most people just don't use them
[03:03] <JoeCoder> IE still complains that the domain name doesn't match the common name, but other browsers work
[06:06] <axisys> how do I improve this mount command to give www-data (uid=33/gid=33) the full privilege? ``mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /storage'' ?
[06:07] <axisys> mount -t ext4 -o uid=33,gid=33 /dev/sdb1 /storage did not work.. aparently not valid option for ext4 per man page
[06:14] <axisys> how to mount ext fs as non-root user?
[06:24] <andol> axisys: Why would you want to do that, instead of actually setting the permission within the mounted filesystem?
[06:25] <axisys> andol: because I was not thinking.. sorry
[06:25] <andol> axisys: Common mistake :)
[06:32] <blendedbychris> any idea how to fix a server that simply powers down after a reboot command instead of powering back on
[12:08] <ironm> Hello. does anyone run mysqld_multi on MariaDB 5.5.24 / ubuntu-server 11.10 or 12.04?
[16:54] <smw> Is there any type of ubuntu server certification?
[17:38] <njin> Hallo, can you tell if this is a bug ?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1010786
[17:39] <njin> I cannot understand what is meaning
[17:46] <djdan2k8> Hi im looking for some advice i need to downgrade my version of php from 5.3 to 5.2 on my Ubuntu vps using plesk any help would be great
[17:51] <sergevn> hi
[18:00] <pmatulis> djdan2k8: normally you get one version per ubuntu release.  otherwise you need to use a PPA or have some kind of hybrid release config in sources.list
[18:02] <LordOfTime> djdan2k8:  you'd need a PPA with the lower version, why does 5.3 not work for you?
[18:02] <LordOfTime> (5.2 is old and has security flaws)
[18:02] <njin> bug 1007371
[18:03] <LordOfTime> njin:  is this your bug?
[18:03] <njin> no, are reports without package assigned
[18:03] <LordOfTime> ah
[18:03] <LordOfTime> well this one doesnt seem to be a bug report
[18:03]  * LordOfTime si on bug sqwuad
[18:03] <LordOfTime> is*
[18:03] <njin> and i don't know server side
[18:03] <LordOfTime> squad*
[18:04]  * LordOfTime grabs a few bugcontrol people
[18:04] <djdan2k8> it is because of a joomla plugin i need to use dosnt support 5.3
[18:04] <LordOfTime> djdan2k8:  so find a newer plugin?
[18:04] <LordOfTime> djdan2k8:  i dont think Joomla supports 5.2.x after a while
[18:04] <djdan2k8> there isnt one
[18:05] <LordOfTime> did you make sure Joomla itself supports 5.2.x still?
[18:05] <LordOfTime> afaik they were planning on phasing out 5.2.x support
[19:56] <docmur> My email server can send email but not receive email, when I try to send email from google to my server I get 554 5.7.1  ( as the error code ).
[19:56] <docmur> I don't know what to check
[19:59] <guntbert> docmur: are you experienced with managing mail servers?
[20:00] <docmur> not at all
[20:00] <docmur> this is my first time trying to set one up
[20:01] <guntbert> docmur: then don't try with a publicly available one!!   just do it in a private network to get your feet wet
[20:03] <docmur> I'm just using gmail to see if my mail server can receive emails, which is what the issue is, I can send them fine but I can't get them in
[20:05] <docmur> well I'm getting the same error if I try to send a message from a computer on the same network
[20:05] <guntbert> docmur: please stop the server - open mail relays can get you in serious trouble - they are the tool for spammers
[20:14] <shauno> docmur: there should be more text in that error message that'd tell you.  usually 'client access denied' (the receiving server didn't accept connections), or 'relay access denied' (which is a good thing, you're just denying one destination too many)
[20:16] <docmur> This is the section of the log where I send the mail out and can't get a message back from gmail http://pastebin.com/07cCejCM
[20:19] <shauno> that reads like (line 20) you're not either authorative or allowing relaying for kw-flipcup.ca  (which is a sensible default.  out of the box you want to accept nothing, and then allow the bare minimum)
[20:21] <docmur> I figure thats the issue, I just don't know what to change,  I know in /etc/postfix/main.cf there is relay_host but every guide I find never sets that value
[20:21] <guntbert> shauno: don't you share my view that is is a bad idea ™  for an inexperienced person to set up a publicly available mail server?
[20:21] <shauno> if you're the only server accepting mail for that domain, it'd be mydestination = I believe (but google that)
[20:21] <docmur> How is it publically available??  You still have to get to the mail server to even make an account
[20:22] <docmur> which is behind the firewall
[20:22] <docmur> you can't just access it openly
[20:22] <shauno> guntbert: he appears to have a sane default to work from.  it's not accepting *any* inbound, which is a sane place to start from
[20:22] <docmur> so do this:   relay_host=$my_destination
[20:23] <guntbert> docmur: how do you expect gmail to send any mails to your server when it is behind a firewall?
[20:24] <docmur> you open the required ports and only the required ports
[20:25] <docmur> this is my main.cf file ( edited of course ) http://pastebin.com/FNbcHaAa
[20:26] <guntbert> docmur: if you open the required port (25) then your server is publicly available - keep that in mind
[20:27] <guntbert> shauno: you are right, but a sane default doesn't necessarily stay sane when someone fiddles with the config
[20:28] <docmur> well in either case nothing can get to the server right now so no harm
[20:29] <shauno> he's right to worry.  if you start accepting relaying for anyone you're not authorative for, you end up on dns blacklists.  which is a pain for you, and your upstream host
[22:41] <pacci> !list
[23:19] <Womkes> been working for 3 days now on how to get KVM working with DRBD block device under ubuntu
[23:19] <Womkes> cant find any tutorials on this matter
[23:19] <Womkes> ive tried vmbuilder and virt-manager
[23:19] <Womkes> nothign works
[23:25] <RoyK> Womkes: dunno, but with VMs, wouldn't it be better to setup the redundancy on the VM side instead of using DRBD, which, IMHO is meant for iron?
[23:25]  * RoyK is off to slee
[23:25]  * RoyK is off to sleep


[00:12] <cprofitt> anyone here know how to figure out why my printer will not add under 13.04?
[00:14] <cprofitt> It detects ok, but then I get a message 'Failed to add new printer' and no more information.
[00:17] <balloons> cprofitt, :-(
[00:18] <cprofitt> think I found the applicable bug
[00:18] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1101213
[00:18] <cprofitt> yep, that one worked for me
[00:20] <cprofitt> that one would be a bad one to get to release
[00:21] <balloons> weird
[00:21] <balloons> I have an hp that works
[00:21] <cprofitt> my HP worked, just not throught the exposed GUI
[00:22] <balloons> ohh
[00:22] <balloons> lol..
[00:22] <balloons> it's plugged into my wife's machine
[00:22] <balloons> even though it sits next to mine
[00:22] <balloons> hahah
[00:23] <cprofitt> so system-config-printer worked, but the gnome control center did not
[05:30] <pitti> Good morning
[06:05] <balloons> guten morgen pitti
[06:06] <balloons> wie geht?
[06:07] <pitti> hey balloons! gut, danke! und Dir?
[06:08] <balloons> gut.. mon hands? es kalt :-)
[06:09] <pitti> haha
[06:09] <balloons> ;-) my german is 4 days worth of exposure from before last UDS ;-)
[06:10] <balloons> I love the way german sounds.. it has such a soothing cadence to it
[06:24] <pitti> balloons: FYI, it's "Meine Hände? Sie sind kalt" (my hands? they are cold)
[06:25] <pitti> balloons: really, soothing? with our rather hard vowels and consonants they chose German to alert and train dogs :)
[06:25] <balloons> ahh. yes, some french slipped in there.. I do know meine ;-) no idea if it was mein or meine Hände :-)
[06:26] <pitti> mein is singular, meine is plural
[06:26] <balloons> pitti, yes, I guess call me crazy.. I think it sounds cool.. It's not a lullaby though :-)
[06:26] <pitti> (or singular feminine)
[06:26] <balloons> ahh, danke
[06:26] <balloons> wow.. meine is plural and singular feminine
[06:27] <balloons> hmmm
[06:27] <balloons> guten nacht pitti.. it's time for me
[06:28] <pitti> sleep well!
[07:20] <Noskcaj> balloons, what's happened to the classroom sessions in my absence? i'm confused
[07:20]  * balloons pretends he's asleep
[07:20] <balloons> Noskcaj, i thought you all switched the times
[07:20] <balloons> perhaps phillw did
[07:21] <Noskcaj> yeah, something like that. i was away from the internet for 3 days
[07:22] <balloons> gotcha
[07:59] <zyga> good morning
[08:00] <jibel> good morning
[08:34] <dholbach> good morning
[08:39] <Noskcaj>  evening dholbach
[08:51] <dholbach> hi Noskcaj
[14:50] <smartboyhw> phillw, ping
[14:52] <phillw> hi smartboyhw
[14:52] <smartboyhw> phillw, now I will set my session on 6th Feb, 2012
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Oops 2013:P
[14:54] <phillw> smartboyhw: good :) Noskaj popped on earlier, at least he now knows our sessions are not today :)
[15:01] <smartboyhw> phillw, LOL
[15:06] <smartboyhw> phillw, balloons PING (respond now)
[15:08] <smartboyhw> gema also
[15:09] <smartboyhw> phillw, balloons gema I just realized that 30th January 2013 is when Ubuntu Developer Week will be held.
[15:09] <smartboyhw> No way we are gonna get into their way
[15:09] <smartboyhw> Guess we need to delay it till certain time
[15:25] <gema> smartboyhw:
[15:25] <gema> pong
[15:25] <gema> smartboyhw, phillw I don't mind delaying it another week
[16:06] <balloons> yes, I'm not sure who moved the sessions to next weds
[16:06] <balloons> phillw, do you know?
[16:07] <balloons> since udw is going on at the same time, we should probably pick a different day
[17:20] <zyga> balloons, hey
[17:21] <balloons> hey zyga
[17:21] <zyga> balloons: any update on friendly topics? I wasn't able to track things today
[17:21] <balloons> zyga, not yet
[17:21] <balloons> most folks aren't about yet
[17:22] <zyga> ping me if something shows up, I'll start posting parts of the friendly prototype for review
[17:22] <balloons> kk
[17:34] <antarus> Is the UI for Utah just jenkins, or is there a separate UI?
[17:50] <balloons> antarus, there is no UI persay for utah..you define a job, and the output is written to a file.. jenkins is used as a nice way to view the output and execute the jobs.. you could utilize something else if you wished
[17:51] <antarus> is this junit XML output then?
[17:56] <balloons> antarus, josepht could tell you more
[17:57] <balloons> if he's about :-)
[17:58] <balloons> what are you looking to do
[17:58] <balloons> ?
[18:01] <antarus> mostly curious
[18:01] <antarus> we currently use autotest for our QA / testing efforts
[18:01] <antarus> and I think we have a..healthy dislike of it
[18:22] <balloons> ahh..
[18:22] <balloons> well, utah has a mailing list.. you could certainly get your questions answered by asking on there as well
[18:23] <balloons> antarus, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-utah-devel
[18:24] <antarus> ok, thanks ;)
[19:40] <xnox> antarus: i think it's yaml.
[19:40] <xnox> antarus: not junit xml.
[19:40] <josepht> antarus: xnox is correct
[19:47] <zyga> antarus: heh
[19:47] <zyga> antarus: there's a milion tools for automatic testing out there
[19:48] <zyga> antarus: I believe that plars has experience with autotest
[20:35] <balloons> phillw, ping
[20:38] <phillw> hi balloons
[20:38] <phillw> got a re-sched for Jackson.
[20:38] <balloons> ahh, yes
[21:45] <dkessel> good evening!
[21:51] <balloons> hey dkessel
[21:51] <balloons> how does tonight find you?
[21:52] <dkessel> it finds me... positively tired :)
[21:52]  * dkessel has had his first diving lesson today
[21:53] <balloons> ohh.. fun! but tiring
[21:53] <balloons> I've been there.. I hope it's a good tired ;-)
[21:55] <dkessel> yup :) prost!
[21:55] <balloons> thomi, you about mate?
[21:55] <Noskcaj> dkessel, i assume you didn't do a handbrake turn in your first lesson. i had to.
[21:55] <thomi> balloons: yup, sure am
[21:55] <thomi> what's up?
[21:55] <dkessel> handbrake turn?
[21:56] <dkessel> *looks that up*
[21:56] <Noskcaj> dkessel, drift?
[21:56] <Noskcaj> go sideways while turning
[21:57] <Noskcaj> do any of you guys know about ssd suport in ubuntu?
[21:57] <dkessel> ah.... no, none of that today. diving in a circle at 3 m depth in the pool was the maximum :)
[21:59] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:02] <balloons> Noskcaj, a little
[22:03] <balloons> hello SergioMeneses :-
[22:04] <SergioMeneses> balloons, hey hey!
[22:04] <Noskcaj> balloons, other than the stuff listed here http://www.howtogeek.com/62761/how-to-tweak-your-ssd-in-ubuntu-for-better-performance/ do you have any suggestions?
[22:05] <SergioMeneses> I have email from Carla! o0
[22:05] <alesage> balloons, did you get a hangout invite?
[22:05] <balloons> I did not
[22:11] <dkessel> hmm. i should probably enable trimming
[22:12] <Noskcaj> dkessel, good idea, and move all your  temp files
[22:14] <dkessel> mhh i don't know... wouldn't that use up my memory too much? i only have SSDs on my netbooks with little RAM...
[22:16] <dkessel> who is the guy on the "ubuntu might become a rolling release after 14.04" g+ hangout? http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Ubuntu-Canonical-erwaegt-Umstellung-auf-Rolling-Release-1789862.html
[22:17] <dkessel> should be someone from canonical, probably?
[22:19] <Noskcaj> dkessel, i was assuming you have a second drive. i have a 1TB caviar black as well as my new agility 3
[22:20] <Noskcaj> rolling release, that sounds interesting. but isn't ubuntu partly rolling anyway?
[22:22] <dkessel> well the development version is :)
[22:23] <dkessel> uds-s
[22:23] <dkessel> oops
[22:23] <phillw> dkessel: I prefer to wait for announcements at UDS... there is that much 'chatter' about what ubuntu is and is not going to do keeps the 'new news' people in updated blogs :D
[22:25] <dkessel> phillw, speaking of UDS, the web site does not say yet when or where the next one will be. around what time is that announced normally?
[22:28] <phillw> dkessel: It's not been announced yet... No doubt there will be many "breaking stories"... but stay tuned to http://uds.ubuntu.com/ for the facts :)
[22:29] <dkessel> phillw: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-s/ says "oakland, california" ;)
[22:30] <phillw> dkessel: I was going to say, I expect USA for UDS-S :D
[22:30] <phillw> may be you can raise a bug report :P
[22:31] <dkessel> phillw: too bad, I would've loved to attend a UDS once :) if that would even be possible...yeah... i'd file a bug "UDS-S will not be in europe"
[22:32] <phillw> dkessel: they are in EU about 1 / 3 times, so it should be back in EU about 14.10
[22:35] <dkessel> ...that leaves some time for me to make sure i get the possibility to attend ;)
[22:35] <stgraber> phillw: it's more like 1/2 actually, we only had one exception ever where it happened twice in a row in the US
[22:39] <stgraber> (for those I attended, it's been: Boston, Prague, Mountain-View, Barcelona, Dallas, Brussels, Orlando, Budapest, Orlando, *Oakland, Copenhagen)
[22:41] <phillw> stgraber: I sit corrected :)
[22:41] <stgraber> my memory is a bit fuzzy for those before that as I was only attending remotely, but I think it was: Montreal, Paris and Mountain-View
[22:41] <balloons> :-)
[22:41] <balloons> dkessel, we do sponsor folks
[22:41] <balloons> but yea, you just missed the copenhagen one
[22:41] <stgraber> I can't remember what was before Montreal though, might have been Sidney
[22:41] <balloons> probably close to you
[22:41] <balloons> btw, that guy in the hangout video is daniel holbach
[22:41] <phillw> One day, they will hold one in London where the UK Canonical office is :)
[22:41] <balloons> great chap
[22:42] <balloons> he does ubuntu developer stuff, but dips into qa to help out on the autopkg test
[22:42] <dkessel> yeah, copenhagen would have been possible :) ah, that is daniel :) yeah, we had email contact - and some here during the autopkgtest hackfest
[22:42] <balloons> ohh btw.. thomi just shared some good news dkessel
[22:42] <stgraber> phillw: extremely unlikely, the first few Ubuntu meetings back in 2004/2005 were in the UK but they've moved to cheaper locations since
[22:42] <balloons> /usr/share/doc/python-autopilot/html/index.html has the autopilot docs.. the website is missing them because of a build error
[22:42] <balloons> until it gets corrected, have a look there
[22:42] <stgraber> it's even getting rare to get internal company sprints in London as flying people abroad is cheaper apparently :)
[22:43] <phillw> stgraber: yeah, they should try manchester :)
[22:43] <balloons> I was wondering where they all went
[22:43] <dkessel> balloons, oh nice - thanks for the hint
[22:43] <balloons> yea.. I'm seriously floored
[22:44] <dkessel> ... and good job! to thomi :)
[22:44] <balloons> yes, uk oddly enough is more expensive..
[22:44] <thomi> :)
[22:44] <balloons> sadly the others aren't about.. i'll mail everyone
[22:46] <phillw> balloons: from a read back of logs, were you chatting to the lap-top testing team?
[22:46] <balloons> at some point
[22:46] <balloons> lol
[22:48] <SergioMeneses> balloons, :O
[22:49] <SergioMeneses> and what happened?
[22:49] <balloons> SergioMeneses, carla is going to contact you
[22:49] <dkessel> thomi, which autopilot version should the docs say in the bottom left corner? 0.1 or 1.1?
[22:50] <balloons> your going to be part of the session
[22:50] <thomi> dkessel: let me check, one sec
[22:50] <SergioMeneses> balloons, sure, Im answering her email back
[22:50] <phillw> SergioMeneses: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom#Section_4
[22:51] <SergioMeneses> phillw, we are working on that
[22:51] <SergioMeneses> :)
[22:51] <SergioMeneses> we shall met tomorrow
[22:52] <phillw> SergioMeneses: that is great news. Whilst I'm not the the admin for the sessions, it seems to have been a bit of mission creep for me :D
[22:52] <thomi> dkessel: there's a small bug in the docs - it's not reading the version number from the package.... Should be easy enough to fix though.
[22:52] <thomi> dkesselhowever, the docs in /usr/share/doc/python-autopilot/ are generated for each build, so they're *guaranteed* to be relevant for the version of autopilot that you have insstalled
[22:53] <balloons> phillw, haha!
[22:53] <SergioMeneses> phillw, jajaja a bit!
[22:55] <dkessel> thomi, sorry to say that - but what about the API docs? ;)
[23:01] <dkessel> ah well. good night. i should really be in bed already


[07:17] <mvo> if someone from the SRU team could look at the aptdaemon upload, that would be awsome, this should reduce the amount of crashes on errors.ubuntu.com quite a bit and also one issue around ubuntu software-center when downloading psychonauts
[09:08] <cjwatson> mute queue new ubuntu-release
[09:08] <cjwatson> mute queue new quantal-release
[09:08] <cjwatson> too slow
[09:09] <cjwatson> ummute queue new ubuntu-release
[09:11] <xnox>  ^^    cjwatson, still a typo
[09:11] <xnox> coffee?
[09:11] <Laney> can anyone execute those commands?
[09:11] <Laney> unmute queue new ubuntu-release
[09:11] <Laney> hoho
[09:12] <xnox> what about unmuting quatnal-release?
[09:12] <cjwatson> xnox: no that was deliberate
[09:12] <cjwatson> correcting my earlier typo
[09:12] <Laney> "ummute"
[09:12] <cjwatson> I'll unmute quantal-release in a few minutes once it's cleared
[09:12] <cjwatson> oh doh
[09:23] <cjwatson> unmute queue new quantal-release
[10:18] <jibel> there's no daily Ubuntu desktop build.
[10:21] <jibel> 12th finally built late afternoon yesterday
[13:58] <jibel> can anyone look why there is no desktop image today ?
[14:02] <cjwatson> jibel: Same as yesterday; blocked on powerpc livefs builds.  I talked with webops about that yesterday and they found that royal needs a replacement disk and took it down.  I'd hoped that that would mean that the trigger would just quickly fail, but evidently not.
[14:02] <cjwatson> jibel: I've disabled those builds with a bigger stick now.
[14:03] <jibel> cjwatson, thank you
[14:03] <cjwatson> And I've killed the blocked processes, so I think you should get builds fairly soon.
[14:35] <skaet> infinity,  is there a bug number or some specific reason we haven't gotten Ubuntu armhf+omap4 builds sinc 6/10?
[14:37] <cjwatson> Which product (preferably URL)?
[14:38] <cjwatson> Ah, you said Ubuntu, never mind
[14:38] <knome> ah, i thought she meant red hat...
[14:38] <knome> :)=
[14:40] <cjwatson> skaet: I can't see exactly why.  The ssh trigger to celbalrai.buildd for the livefs build fails after one second, but it doesn't seem to produce any output
[14:40] <infinity> Special.
[14:40] <cjwatson> Nothing useful in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/quantal/ubuntu-omap4/
[14:40]  * skaet nods
[14:41] <infinity> Looks like all triggers to celbalrai are dying, it's not just ubuntu-omap4.
[14:41] <infinity> Which is slightly less puzzling, actually.
[14:41] <infinity> Path of least resistance is probably just to bounce the machine.  I'll talk to IS.
[14:41] <skaet> k
[14:42] <infinity> Although, it's very much alive.
[14:42] <infinity> Weird.
[14:42] <infinity> I'll look into it in a sec.  Multitasking all over and haven't had coffee.
[16:24]  * infinity notes that the "kernel PPA copying" section of sru-report doesn't actually point out which arches are built/building/failed, which makes it pretty dangerous, if someone just copies blindly without checking.
[16:33] <ogra_> infinity, hmm, did you talk to jani before changing linux-ac100-meta ? i had the impression he didnt want the 3.1 one as default yet
[16:34] <infinity> ogra_: Nope, but we've already spoken about it.  I may have been overzealous because I was trying to clean out NBS...
[16:34] <ogra_> ah
[16:34] <infinity> ogra_: (On the other hand, I'm not sure why one would upload a kernel if they thought it might not work...)
[16:34] <ogra_> well, afaik the current 3.1 has console issues
[16:34] <ogra_> not sure they are solved already
[16:35] <ogra_> the new binary driver requires 3.1
[22:43] <stgraber> no need to look at the new newt binary, another upload is coming with a proper version number
[22:45]  * slangasek rejects it to be complete
[22:45] <slangasek> ETA on the next one? :)
[22:45] <stgraber> they're built, just need to wait for LP to notice ;)
[22:45] <slangasek> cool
[22:46] <stgraber> slangasek: ^
[22:47] <slangasek> those are still ~ppa1 ;)
[22:47] <stgraber> and I just uploaded the non ~ppa1 version, now that my test build in the archive succeeded :)
[22:47] <slangasek> right, that's what I meant by "next one"
[22:47] <slangasek> rejectzored
[23:01]  * micahg hugs stgraber
[23:03] <stgraber> slangasek: that's all of them ^