[07:06] <mborzecki> morning
[07:17] <mardy> mborzecki: hi!
[07:31] <mborzecki> mardy: heya
[07:55] <mborzecki> mvo: hi, can you squash merge https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11094 ?
[07:55] <mup> PR #11094: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: fix snap-device-helper device allow list modification on cgroup v2 <Squash-merge> <cgroupv2> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11094>
[07:58] <mvo> mborzecki: sure
[07:58] <mborzecki> thank you!
[07:59] <mvo> mborzecki: and cherry pick I pressume?
[08:03] <mup> PR snapd#11094 closed: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: fix snap-device-helper device allow list modification on cgroup v2 <Squash-merge> <cgroupv2> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11094>
[08:03] <mborzecki> mvo: yes please
[08:08] <pstolowski> morning
[08:13] <mup> PR snapd#11087 closed: osutil/strace: try to enable strace on more arches <Created by xnox> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11087>
[08:37] <mborzecki> mvo: hm i think i'll do cherry picks to opensuse/fedora/arch, but not quite sure what to do about ubuntu and debian packages, unless we're planning a point release soon?
[08:39] <mvo> mborzecki: we may need one with the single reboot changes
[08:48] <mborzecki> ah, fine then
[09:02] <mardy> hi pstolowski
[09:53] <mborzecki> mvo: i'm looking into https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/cannot-launch-snap-applications-with-cgroup-v2/27700 so i took an impish cloud image and when i log in, there is no session bus
[09:55] <mborzecki> mvo: so that means, you cannot run snap app in the cloud image, because there's no way to create a transient scope for the app
[09:58] <mvo> mborzecki: uh, that is interesting, I wonder if foundations/cpc have an opinion here and also how this was not caught in testing, it sounds like cpc image tests should include running lxd or something
[09:58] <mvo> mborzecki: it's strange that noone complained about this yet also
[10:00] <mborzecki> mvo: idk, jsut pulled in current impish image, i think it's the dbus-user-session package that is missing, from what i can see it was included in 20.04 cloud images
[10:01] <mvo> mborzecki: I think we need to reach out to sil2100 or someone close to him about this
[10:01] <mvo> mborzecki: which reminds me that we also need to land the bigs for 11058 that allows the lxd people to look at why the namespace stuff is now broken :(
[10:02] <mvo> (basicly 3cb8e8b513e91d0b392dcb7a63aeac9fe0e9d789 needs to removed from that LP)
[10:05]  * mvo pushes an update to this PR
[10:05] <mborzecki> mvo: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/vZrBr6H7KP/ so this is what i get (even with dbus-user-session installed now)
[10:06] <mvo> mborzecki: does dbus-user-session rquire a reboot/relogin?
[10:07] <mborzecki> mvo: i logged out and back in
[10:07] <mvo> mborzecki: :(
[10:08] <mvo> mborzecki: let's try to reach someone from foundations
[11:59] <mup> PR snapd#10892 closed: tests: add (strict) microk8s smoke test <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10892>
[11:59] <mup> PR snapd#11111 opened: packaging/ubuntu, packaging/debian: depend on dbus-session-bus provider <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11111>
[12:04] <mup> PR snapd#11103 closed: o/snapstate: refactor disk space checks <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11103>
[12:58] <mup> PR snapcraft#3600 opened: remote build: use channel defaults (CRAFT-568) <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3600>
[13:34] <mup> PR snapd#11110 closed: daemon: write formdata file parts to snaps dir (2.53) <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11110>
[13:39] <mup> PR snapd#11058 closed: interfaces/udev: fix installing snaps inside lxd in 21.10 <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11058>
[13:44] <mup> PR snapd#11041 closed: HACKING.md: document building the snapd snap and splicing it into the core snap <Documentation> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11041>
[13:54] <mup> PR snapd#10570 closed: tests: new spread tests analyzer tool <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Closed by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10570>
[14:25] <mup> PR snapd#11112 opened: asserts: change behavior of alternative attribute matcher <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11112>
[14:44] <mup> PR core20#122 opened: static/writable-paths: set safer options for tmpfs mounts <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/122>
[17:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#3600 closed: remote build: use channel defaults (CRAFT-568) <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3600>
[17:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#3601 opened: autotools v1 plugin: set correct file permissions for scripts (CRAFT-666) <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3601>
[18:24] <mup> PR snapcraft#3602 opened: spread: fix electron from npm test <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3602>
[18:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#3601 closed: autotools v1 plugin: set correct file permissions for scripts (CRAFT-666) <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3601>


[00:50]  * thumper stretches
[00:50] <thumper> that is some tests passing now...
[00:50] <thumper> time to take the dog for a walk
[01:24] <mwhudson> anastasiamac: building a new juju-mongodb3.2 now in my ppa \o/
[01:24] <mwhudson> at least half the time on the update was spent getting confused by dos line endings, grr
[01:59] <anastasiamac> mwhudson: m sure they'd ab lots ppl very happy :) tyvm!
[04:36] <axw> thumper: apart from the two things I've commented on your PR, it looks fine to me
[04:37] <thumper> axw: the pubsub one?
[04:37] <axw> thumper: sorry yeah
[04:37] <axw> thumper: and they're not showstoppers, just my preference to avoid reflection, and I think the channel stuff could be simplified but otherwise it's ok
[05:32] <menn0> thumper: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5303/ pls
[05:50] <thumper> menn0: done
[06:51] <rogpeppe2> axw: ping
[06:52] <axw> rogpeppe: pong
[06:52] <rogpeppe> axw: hiya
[06:52] <rogpeppe> axw: i was just wondering about user-namespaced model names
[06:53] <rogpeppe> axw: if there are two models with the same name in a controller but under two different user namespaces, how would i switch to each?
[06:53] <axw> rogpeppe: juju switch owner/model
[06:53] <axw> rogpeppe: it was done and dusted, but got backed out as it broke a CI test. waiting on a change to CI being merged before landing again
[06:54] <rogpeppe> axw: ah! that's why i don't see it!
[06:54] <rogpeppe> axw: i thought you'd done something but couldn't find it
[06:54] <axw> rogpeppe: should be back in tomorrow I think
[06:54] <rogpeppe> axw: cool
[06:55] <axw> assuming master remains unblocked
[06:55] <rogpeppe> axw: did you update the docs for juju switch too?
[06:55] <axw> rogpeppe: hmm not sure now, but I don't remember doing it. I'll make sure they're up to date when I re-land
[06:55] <rogpeppe> axw: thanks
[07:26]  * dimitern is going offline for ~30m (scheduled power cut)
[09:15] <hoenir> so if the fix is commited why does it appear on this ? http://juju.fail/
[09:16] <mup> Bug #1606487 opened: apt-mirror does not override security.ubuntu.com for controller <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606487>
[09:34] <dimitern> hoenir: because it's not Fix Release yet
[09:34] <dimitern> should be once 1.25.7 is out
[09:43] <axw> fwereade_: what's wrong with OpenParams? I'm hesitant to change only because it's consistent with just about every other param struct we use
[09:50] <fwereade_> axw, it's not specific to Open
[09:51] <fwereade_> axw, it's naming the type for one of its uses, instead of for what it really *is*
[09:52] <axw> fwereade_: environs.New shouldn't even exist. it's just a short-cut around the global provider registry, and EnvironProvider.Open
[09:52] <axw> fwereade_: if it didn't exist, it would be specific to Open :/
[09:53] <axw> fwereade_: trying to think of another name. Definition doesn't really sit right with me, because I don't think credentials define an environ
[09:53] <fwereade_> axw, yeah, nor with me
[09:54] <fwereade_> axw, so if you can't think of anything better, go for it -- but I still really doubt this type will be used *exclusively* when calling Open
[09:55] <hoenir> thanks dimitern
[09:56] <axw> fwereade_: I'm trying very hard to make Open be the only thing that cares about creds/cloud definition, so I really hope it is. I'll ponder, but otherwise I think I'll defer renaming until we have another user - it would probably be clearer what to call it then anyway.
[09:57] <fwereade_> axw, ack, thanks for pondering :)
[09:58] <fwereade_> axw, tyvm for all the recent refactoring, btw, it is gruelling to review but well worth it
[09:58] <axw> fwereade_: cool, and thanks for reviewing. pretty gruelling to change too :p
[09:58] <axw> I'm especially not looking forward to adding cloud/creds into OpenParams
[09:58] <fwereade_> axw, ha, yeah
[09:59] <axw> only 65 call sites
[09:59]  * fwereade_ shudders gently
[10:01] <mup> Bug #1606506 opened: juju should tell maas to use a kernel with all required features <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606506>
[10:04] <axw> mgz: any chance of a review on the juju-ci-tools MP?
[10:10] <mup> Bug #1606506 changed: juju should tell maas to use a kernel with all required features <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606506>
[10:16] <mup> Bug #1606506 opened: juju should tell maas to use a kernel with all required features <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606506>
[10:21] <dimitern> dooferlad: cheers for the write-up!
[10:21] <dimitern> dooferlad: I got a bit carried away suggesting and commenting :)
[10:21] <dooferlad> dimitern: thanks!
[10:21] <dooferlad> dimitern: no worries!
[10:22] <dimitern> dooferlad: it also helped me get into the right train of thought w.r.t. the sprint prep around IPAM
[10:22] <dooferlad> dimitern: would you like to hop into a conversation with macgreagoir and me?
[10:22] <dooferlad> dimitern: just in a hangout
[10:23] <dimitern> can do in 2m though
[10:23] <dooferlad> dimitern: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/release-team
[10:23] <dooferlad> dimitern: see you when you get here
[11:13] <babbageclunk> dimitern: ping?
[11:18] <babbageclunk> fwereade_: you around?
[11:21] <dimitern> babbageclunk: I am, but I'm just going out - will be back ~1h though
[11:22] <babbageclunk> dimitern: Ok cool - will go for a run now. Talk to you later!
[11:22]  * babbageclunk goes for a run.
[11:40] <frankban|afk> fwereade_: hi, can I ask you a question a bout controller's and model's config?
[12:29] <rogpeppe> axw: ping
[13:25] <katco> everyone, pencils down. we can stop working on juju. emacs has solved the problem: https://github.com/cjohansson/emacs-ssh-deploy
[13:25] <mup> Bug # opened: 1606566, 1606568, 1606569, 1606571
[13:43] <natefinch> dooferlad: looks like we screwed windows when we dropped most of our ciphersuites
[14:02] <dimitern> rick_h_: standup ?
[14:05] <katco> frobware: standup?
[14:19] <jam1> mgz: I just filed https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/5870 but it doesn't look like reviewboard picked it up
[14:19] <dimitern> babbageclunk: wanna chat in the other HO (networking tests)?
[14:19] <dimitern> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/networking
[14:19] <babbageclunk> dimitern: oh, yes please! See you there.
[14:25] <frobware> balloons: sorry I missed our meeting; was debugging IPv6 and my network lost it!
[14:25] <frobware> katco: ^^ ditto
[14:25] <katco> frobware: lol that is a good excuse! :)
[14:55] <anastasiamac> jam1: reviewed
[14:59] <jam1> thanks anastasiamac, still hasn't shown up
[15:00] <jam> (on Reviewboard)
[15:01] <anastasiamac> jam: i have seen some proposals that behave this way. I've reviewed on github, You should b good to land \o/ Do we want to backport it to 1.25 too?
[15:02] <jam> anastasiamac: did we backport the other 'status' changes? Like putting the 'model' 'controller' sections?
[15:02] <jam> if so, then yes
[15:03] <anastasiamac> jam: m not sure if model/controller exist on 1.25
[15:03] <anastasiamac> :)
[15:04] <anastasiamac> jam: if address/port order change needs to be backported, it'll need to handcrafted (!) rather than cherry-picked \o/
[15:33] <babbageclunk> dimitern: ipAddressDoc doesn't have mac address! Should I use linkLayerDeviceDocs to populate the interfaceInfo?
[15:34] <babbageclunk> dimitern: duh, reading that it's obvious - of course an ip address doesn't have a mac address.
[15:34] <dimitern> babbageclunk: yeah :)
[15:55] <mup> Bug #1606611 opened: test log spammed with TLS handshake <logging> <tech-debt> <testing> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606611>
[16:00] <dimitern> any reviews welcome btw: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/5871
[16:02]  * dimitern is outta here
[16:04] <mup> Bug #1606611 changed: test log spammed with TLS handshake <logging> <tech-debt> <testing> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606611>
[16:10] <mup> Bug #1606611 opened: test log spammed with TLS handshake <logging> <tech-debt> <testing> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606611>
[16:11] <mup> Bug #1606617 opened: juju not using image-stream-url for container images <lxd> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606617>
[16:23] <mup> Bug #1606617 changed: juju not using image-stream-url for container images <lxd> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606617>
[16:26] <mup> Bug #1606617 opened: juju not using image-stream-url for container images <lxd> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606617>
[17:02] <frobware> rick_h_:  With my ipv6 only environment now working (huzzah) my first bootstrap using the manual provider failed (boo!).  Will start to accumulate my setup notes tomorrow.
[17:41] <mup> Bug # changed: 1440097, 1455629, 1572634, 1572637, 1573286, 1584626, 1592537, 1600539, 1602231, 1603133, 1603585, 1604006
[17:59] <natefinch> dude our tests suck
[18:26] <natefinch> gaahhhh
[18:44] <mup> Bug #1606658 opened: local charm does not deploy updated version after removing application and deploying application <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606658>
[18:50] <katco> looks like github is acting up
[18:51] <katco> annnd we're back
[20:23] <mup> Bug #1606684 opened: upgrade-charm fails to upgrade local charm <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606684>
[20:50] <mup> Bug #1606663 changed: cannot juju ssh to lxd machine in non-default model <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606663>
[21:20] <mup> Bug #1606569 changed: transient "agent is lost" <oil> <oil-2.0> <v-pil> <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606569>
[21:20] <mup> Bug #1606658 changed: local charm does not deploy updated version after removing application and deploying application <juju-core:New for anastasia-macmood> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606658>
[21:41] <katco> perrito666: ping
[21:41] <perrito666> katco: pong
[21:42] <katco> perrito666: hey is that offer to get connected up to my environment's mongo still good?
[21:42] <perrito666> katco: always </snape>
[21:42] <katco> hehe
[21:50] <mup> Bug #1606706 opened: MachinerSuite.TestMachinerMachineAssignedUnits fails intermittently <intermittent-failure> <test-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606706>
[21:59] <thumper> oh poop
[21:59] <thumper> I had assumed that the factory method for creating machines with volumes actually took all the params into account... but it appears not to
[21:59] <mup> Bug #1606709 opened: manual provider shows started machine as "pending" <manual-provider> <status> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606709>
[21:59] <thumper> or at least it removes the pool name
[22:14] <thumper> ah... go, sometimes you suck badly
[22:14] <thumper> ffs
[22:14]  * thumper thinks
[22:24] <thumper> nope, that was me
[22:29] <mup> Bug #1606711 opened: When add-machine exits with nonzero status, rerunning add-machine can produce a duplicate <add-machine> <ci> <intermittent-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606711>
[22:34] <perrito666> bb just in time for standup
[22:40] <menn0> thumper: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5308/ pls
[22:58] <thumper> menn0: shipit
[22:58] <menn0> thumper: thanks
[23:16] <thumper> perrito666: ping
[23:41] <thumper> volume export tests passing, now to work in imports after lunch


[01:36] <sophie-w> Today:
[01:36] <sophie-w> - tested out mate-notification-daemon on Miriway (it works, which I added to the Miriway forum post)
[01:36] <sophie-w> - started working on making CI work on all resolutions
[06:12] <RAOF> Hm. What fool didn't add any logging in the output platform selection, and now has no good way to work out what's happening?
[07:03]  * RAOF considers proposing all objects in Mir derive from an interface containing only `virtual auto name() const -> char const* = 0`
[08:23] <RAOF> Today:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/2c7a459963f44945eeef23e0ce38d54d09eaa955>)


[00:11] <bwright> Hello.
[02:30] <xAndromeda> kinda wierd but i just noticed that my rightclick menues are really slow at opening sub menues
[02:31] <xAndromeda> actually jsut dropdown menues with submenues in general
[02:31] <xAndromeda> like i have to wait 2-5 seconds for it to load then its snappy again
[03:20] <rainstake> Tried to reinstall caine-from-deb with sudo apt-get install -f, but I am given a message that says 'caine-from-deb_0.1.6a_i386.deb', anyone know the fix?
[03:21] <rainstake> I mean, I get the message that 'could not open 'caine-from-deb_0.1.6a_i386.deb', anyone know the fix?
[03:55]  * jade_qq a
[03:56] <jade_qq> hi,all,i have a problem.i can open a website begin https,but can't http,how can i do ?thanks
[03:56] <zkriesse> jade_qq: Sounds like an issue with the site itself
[03:57] <jade_qq> i can open https://gmail,but can't http://google
[03:57] <zkriesse> hmm
[03:58] <zkriesse> What browser are you using
[03:58] <jade_qq> chrome
[03:58] <jade_qq> i usr wget,it echo no route to host,but i can ping
[03:59] <jade_qq> inlu@RD-AAA:/etc$ wget www.google.com
[03:59] <jade_qq> --2011-03-06 11:58:46--  http://www.google.com/
[03:59] <jade_qq> Resolving www.google.com... <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:59] <jade_qq> Connecting to www.google.com|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... failed: No route to host.
[03:59] <jade_qq> qinlu@RD-AAA:/etc$
[04:01] <jade_qq> what happened?
[04:10] <jade_qq> help~~~
[05:27] <bringit645> what's the best way to start coding in ubuntu?
[06:32] <rainstake> any one know how to solve the following error message: "package in incosistent state"
[06:32] <rainstake> I was trying to uninstall caine-from-deb
[07:26] <ray_> I know that Hotmail is microsoft but why doesn't hotmail usually display pictures using Firefox with Ubuntu?
[07:26] <ray_> You might say to use gmail
[07:26] <ray_> well I have a gmail account
[07:26] <ray_> it's just not with my family
[07:27] <ray_> Well, it doesn't matter
[07:27] <ray_> see ya
[08:19] <albert_> hi need some help here. has anyone install ubuntu into acer 4738z?
[08:23] <albert_> i can't continue installation because unavailable driver
[08:23] <albert_> like "intel tco watchdog timer driver"
[08:24] <bioterror> hmmm
[08:25] <albert_> and "input driver event debug module"
[08:26] <albert_> and "broadcomsta wireless driver"
[08:26] <albert_> and "pc speaker beeper driver"
[08:26] <bioterror> albert_, you dont get into a desktop+
[08:26] <bioterror> it doesnt boot?
[08:27] <albert_> sorry i dont get you
[08:27] <bioterror> do you get into "desktop" and you can click the installer
[08:27] <bioterror> or does it hang during the "boot up sequence"
[08:28] <albert_> now i am in the desktop with two icon on the left top conner
[08:28] <bioterror> yes
[08:28] <albert_> one of which is the install unbuntu 20.20
[08:29] <albert_> sorry 10.10
[08:36] <albert_> nothing happen when i click the icon
[08:38] <bioterror> albert_, can you boot and check the integrity of the disc
[08:38] <bioterror> "Check disc for defects"
[08:39] <albert_> do u mean the disc i installing from
[08:40] <bioterror> yes
[08:41] <albert_> i am installing from a thumbdrive
[08:41] <bioterror> okay
[08:41] <bioterror> usb
[08:41] <albert_> ok let me try frist
[08:41] <bioterror> you could check the md5checksum of the .iso file
[08:50] <Bipul`> bioterror,  i need a help
[08:50] <bioterror> what
[08:52] <bioterror> Bipul`, what's your problem
[08:53] <Bipul`> can i pm you bioterror
[08:58] <albert_> bioterror- i've just did a new boot disk using ubuntu for netbook but still the same.
[08:59] <albert_> currently i am downloading a new iso of the ubuntu desktop
[08:59] <bioterror> can you check the md5sum of it?
[09:00] <bioterror> to be sure that the iso file is okay
[09:00] <albert_> sorry i do not know how to do that
[09:06] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[09:06] <albert_> thanks
[09:10] <albert_> dir
[09:25] <albert_> bioterror- thanks for all the help. but things are still the same. i have to logoff now
[09:25] <albert_> again thanks
[09:26] <albert_> i will come back again later
[09:26] <albert_> bye
[09:54] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[09:54] <kristian-aalborg> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1701138 <--- does my pic show?
[09:56] <ikt> heya kristian-aalborg :)
[09:56] <kristian-aalborg> hey ikt
[09:57] <ikt> I can't see any picture :s
[09:57] <ikt> you are talking about your forum avatar?
[09:57] <MrChrisDruif> kristian-aalborg: if you're talking about your avatar....it doesn't show ;)
[09:58] <kristian-aalborg> dammit
[10:05] <kristian-aalborg> ah, nm... I got it
[10:07]  * kristian-aalborg is beautiful
[10:08]  * MrChrisDruif thinks no-one should brag <_<"
[10:08] <kristian-aalborg> I take that as a "yes, he is" :P
[10:09] <MrChrisDruif> I would take it as "Meh, could be worse"
[10:09] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[10:11] <MrChrisDruif> 9×16 Medieval <= I like this one (not through the complete list)
[10:13] <MrChrisDruif> t is also nice
[14:15] <alexMocanu> hi everybody
[14:16] <alexMocanu> simple question about how memory is allocated when running your program...
[14:16] <alexMocanu> so suppose you have a local variable int i; somewhere in your source code. when you compile it, will there by allocated memory for it even though you may not use that variable at all in your program?
[14:30] <tsimpson> alexMocanu: usually, yes
[14:31] <alexMocanu> tsimpson well what are the exceptions then?
[14:31] <tsimpson> well, the compiler _may_ detect that it's never used and get rid of it, but it may not
[14:32] <tsimpson> you could use -Wunused or -Wunused-variable when compiling to get warning about that kind of thing
[14:57] <alexMocanu> ok, cheers tsimpson!
[14:57] <xyclo> evilduanedesign,??
[14:57] <xyclo> haha i like that
[14:57] <xyclo> is that an non-helpful duanedesign??
[14:57] <xyclo> a
[14:59] <xyclo> Question, evilduanedesign: About fglrx, if you remember our chat the other day, would these Gentoo instrucitions work with Ubuntu
[14:59] <xyclo> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T400
[15:06] <xyclo> ...
[15:11] <xyclo> ...
[15:16] <xyclo> ...
[15:17] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install fglrx
[15:17] <bioterror> sudo Xorg -configure
[15:17] <bioterror> sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:17] <bioterror> sudo reboot
[15:20] <bioterror> actually
[15:20] <bioterror> ubuntu has that driver thingie in the menu
[15:20] <bioterror> I dunno what that's called as I'm not running vanilla 'buntu
[15:21] <JoeMaverickSett> (on the panel) System > Administration > Additional Drivers
[15:26] <xyclo> thanks bioterror
[15:26] <xyclo> it is not that I don't know how to do it
[15:27] <xyclo> it does not work
[15:27] <xyclo> we had a long back and forth with duanedesign the other day
[15:28] <xyclo> we tried lots of things, and ended looking at bug reports...
[15:28] <bioterror> which ati card you have?
[15:29] <bioterror> I have 4350 and no problems with radeonhd and catalyst
[15:29] <xyclo> mobility radeon hd3400
[15:29] <xyclo> lenovo t400
[15:29] <xyclo> let's see the catalyst...
[15:29] <bioterror> what's wrong with the radeonhd?
[15:29] <xyclo> It is installed
[15:29] <xyclo> but I cannot activate it
[15:30] <xyclo> it conflicts with the kernel
[15:30] <xyclo> hm
[15:30] <xyclo> Catalyst? How do I check? I think I installed 11.2
[15:31] <xyclo> oh!
[15:31] <xyclo> It might have worked this time...
[15:31] <xyclo> I'll be back after restart
[15:31] <xyclo> Thanks!
[15:44] <xyclo> Hi again
[15:44] <xyclo> fglrx
[15:44] <xyclo> is working
[15:44] <xyclo> great!
[15:44] <xyclo> Bad thing is that it works with the generic kernel, but not the rt one
[15:45] <xyclo> I need the rt one for low latency + no xruns  with my FW audio interface...
[15:46] <xyclo> I guess I can use video intensive apps with generic and audio with rt, when I need them...
[15:46] <xyclo> Thanks
[15:48] <holstein> xyclo: try -lowlatency
[15:49] <holstein> i assume you are in lucid?
[15:53] <xyclo> hi. holstein
[15:53] <xyclo> I just switched (back) to Maverick
[15:54] <xyclo> You know why?
[15:54] <xyclo> the torrent link to 10.04 64bit is broken...
[15:54] <xyclo> So I got lazy...
[15:54] <xyclo> Anyway,
[15:55] <xyclo>  I'll give the lowlatency a try
[15:55] <holstein> what -rt kernel are you using then?
[15:55] <xyclo> It did not seem to work nearly as well as rt.
[15:55] <xyclo> As I said, I just switched back
[15:55] <holstein> you want https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[15:55] <xyclo> I have not even installed rt
[15:55] <xyclo> yep
[15:55] <holstein> why do you need it?
[15:55] <holstein> realtime synths?
[15:55] <xyclo> xruns go down dramatically
[15:55] <holstein> right
[15:55] <xyclo> yep
[15:56] <holstein> OK
[15:56] <xyclo> yoshimi, remember?
[15:56] <holstein> :)
[15:56] <holstein> now i do
[15:56] <xyclo> but I'll see
[15:56] <xyclo> I have more ram now
[15:56] <xyclo> and 64bit
[15:56] <xyclo> although same sound card
[15:56] <xyclo> firewire ESI-PRO Quatafire
[15:56] <xyclo> works great
[15:56] <holstein> cool
[15:56] <holstein> i found in natty
[15:56] <xyclo> but lots of xruns...
[15:56] <xyclo> hm...
[15:56] <xyclo> what?
[15:56] <holstein> -lowlatency performed as well as -realtime
[15:57] <xyclo> aha!
[15:57] <holstein> with my presonus firepod
[15:57] <xyclo> I am so anxious waiting for Natty
[15:57] <holstein> xyclo: what chipset do you have?
[15:57] <xyclo> chipset...
[15:57] <xyclo> let's see
[15:57] <holstein> run lspci
[15:57] <holstein> if you *dont* have a texas instruments chipset
[15:57] <holstein> you can stop beating your head against the wall
[15:57] <holstein> and just get something with TI chip
[15:58] <xyclo> Intel Corp Mobile 4?
[15:59] <xyclo> Does that make sense?
[15:59] <xyclo> holstein, something with TI chip?
[15:59] <holstein> yup
[16:00] <holstein> firewire TI chipset
[16:00] <holstein> thats what you want
[16:00] <holstein> for example
[16:00] <holstein> when i run modest JACK settings
[16:00] <holstein> with -generic kernel
[16:00] <holstein> say, something in the 20+ms range
[16:00] <holstein> i dont get xruns
[16:00] <holstein> unless im opening and closing big apps
[16:00] <holstein> like ardou
[16:00] <holstein> r
[16:00] <xyclo> right
[16:00] <xyclo> nice!
[16:00] <holstein> but not idle xruns
[16:00] <holstein> BUT
[16:01] <holstein> with a funky chipset
[16:01] <holstein> you'll just get them
[16:01] <holstein> nothing you can do about it really
[16:01] <xyclo> I see...
[16:01] <xyclo> Well, for my next interface purchase I'll remember that!
[16:02] <xyclo> Hey, what system do you run?
[16:02] <xyclo> I mean Ubuntu, Arch...
[16:02] <xyclo> ubuntu-beginners... duh?
[16:02] <holstein> ubuntu on most everything
[16:02] <xyclo> ok
[16:20] <xyclo> hey, holstein, the low latency I get from abogani as well? for Maverick??
[16:20] <holstein> yeah
[16:20] <holstein> you can add that PPA anyways
[16:20] <holstein> AFAIK
[16:20] <xyclo> yes, I have it
[16:20] <holstein> i just DL'd the .debs
[16:20] <xyclo> but for Maverick?
[16:20] <webjadmin> Wow, I missed xChat. :D
[16:21] <holstein> xyclo: thats the way i did it
[16:21] <xyclo> ok
[16:21] <xyclo> you also run 10.10?
[16:21] <holstein> and i was told you can just add the lucid or natty one
[16:21] <xyclo> aha
[16:21] <xyclo> I thought I ran into some trouble originally, to instell rt maybe, and that's why I switched to 10.04
[16:21] <xyclo> install
[16:22] <holstein> maybe
[16:22] <xyclo> we'll see...
[16:22] <holstein> i assure you its your chipset though
[16:22] <holstein> ask Strayfolk
[16:22] <holstein> next time you see 'em in #ubuntustudio
[16:23] <holstein> had a ricoh chip set
[16:23] <holstein> was trying all kinds of things
[16:23] <holstein> rtirq
[16:23] <holstein> kernels
[16:23] <holstein> you name it
[16:23] <holstein> TI chip set is what did it :)
[16:24] <xyclo> Actually with rt I get 0(0) xruns throughout
[16:24] <xyclo> using 48kHz, ~10ms
[16:24] <xyclo> 4ins, 8outs
[16:25] <xyclo> so, not bad
[16:25] <JackyAlcine> Hey, is Snort good for security?
[16:25] <JackyAlcine> Or is there a better one?
[16:25] <holstein> xyclo: 10ms is find
[16:25] <xyclo> but rt has quite a few limitations I see
[16:25] <holstein> fine*
[16:25] <xyclo> fine, yes
[16:25] <xyclo> no complaints
[16:25] <holstein> if you need lower latency
[16:25] <xyclo> just rt...
[16:25] <holstein> move closer to your speakers ;)
[16:25] <xyclo> hahah
[16:26] <holstein> i can get 1.2 stable
[16:26] <holstein> but i hardly ever do that
[16:26] <xyclo> well, firepod...
[16:26] <xyclo> don't have the money right now. In between jobs.
[16:26] <xyclo> Long between too...
[16:27] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695893
[16:27] <holstein> ^^ might be relavant to you
[16:29] <xyclo> it seems so
[16:30] <Eriam> hello
[16:31] <Eriam> i need a lot of help from a patient person :)
[16:31] <Eriam> can i find such a person here ?
[16:31] <xyclo> plenty, Eriam
[16:31] <Eriam> good :D
[16:31] <Eriam> thank god
[16:31] <Eriam> so guys... my problem goes like this
[16:32] <xyclo> thank the admins better :)
[16:32] <Eriam> windows user here .. so ...
[16:33] <Eriam> i want to install LAMP ... on a ubuntu 10.10 desktop ... not server cause im used to GUI + i dont have experience with the linux command lines at all
[16:33] <Eriam> all the sites i found that say how to install apache and the rest .. tell me that i just have to use sudo apt-get install apache2 for example
[16:34] <oCean> Eriam: as i tried to point out, there is an easy way: use the 'tasksel' command
[16:34] <Eriam> but when execute the command ... it says it cannot find the thing ...
[16:34] <oCean> Eriam: tasksel is a tool that installs multiple related packages as a co-ordinated "task" onto your system
[16:34] <JoeMaverickSett> Eriam: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9030439/InstallingALAMPServer.pdf that pdf shows you how :)
[16:35] <Eriam> is tasksel a basic application in a desktop version of ubuntu or do i use synaptic to bring it ?
[16:35] <JoeMaverickSett> !tasksel
[16:35] <oCean> Eriam: first, you have to install it: "sudo apt-get install tasksel"
[16:35] <oCean> after that, "sudo tasksel install lamp-server" will do it all for you
[16:36] <Eriam> well ... im gonna try that after the update module applies all the modifications ...
[16:36] <Eriam> I must sound like a real moron to u guys :))
[16:36] <JoeMaverickSett> Eriam: that pdf was from a ubuntu-classroom session.
[16:37] <JoeMaverickSett> Eriam: no, you don't sound like one. :)
[16:37] <oCean> Eriam: but, as ikonia told you in #ubuntu, on https://help.ubuntu.com you'll find a guide that introduces you to the basics of Linux.
[16:38] <holstein> Eriam: check out http://www.turnkeylinux.org/lamp
[16:38] <holstein> i used to run some of these appliances in virtual box :)
[16:38] <Eriam> im gonna look into that too ... it's a lot of info at once
[16:40] <oCean> Eriam: yes, a lot of info. I really would recommend installing LAMP using tasksel, (more info https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel)
[16:40] <Eriam> will try that in a moment... installing pidgin on it now ...  then im gonna reset the system so as the updates take effect then im gonna try installing LAMP through that
[16:44] <Eriam> so ... theoreticaly after i use tasksel and manage to install LAMP , webHTB ... the network shaping tool... it should work ... i guess
[16:48] <oCean> Eriam: I'm not sure what your goal is, but if you're a beginner at linux, don't expect everything to work automagically. You really should learn the basics
[16:50] <Eriam> yeah i know that ... but im kinda forced to do it ...
[16:50] <Eriam> so i got lamp to install
[16:50] <Eriam> finaly somtheing works ^^
[16:51] <oCean> !yay
[16:55] <Eriam> :))
[17:01] <xyclo> holstein, I cannot even see abogani's ppa in maverick...
[17:02] <xyclo> available series: Lucid & Natty
[17:03] <xyclo> I'll have to wait a month to make pc music (till Natty)... Back to guitar I guess
[17:03] <holstein> xyclo: just DL the debs
[17:04] <holstein> http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/
[17:04] <holstein> xyclo: ^^ that worked for me in maverick
[17:05] <holstein> i got the idea from http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick
[17:06] <holstein> xyclo: you added the PPA ?
[17:06] <holstein> and ran sudo apt-get update?
[17:08] <Eriam> so ... i installed the LAMP ... now how can i start the processes ?
[17:09] <oCean> Eriam: most likely they are running. And setup to run after you boot
[17:09] <Eriam> how do i start mysql ^^ ?
[17:09] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[17:09] <holstein> maybe read ^^
[17:11] <xyclo> holstein, yep
[17:11] <holstein> xyclo: what about sudo apt-cache search linux-lowlatency ?
[17:11] <holstein> no good?
[17:11] <xyclo> returns nothing
[17:11] <holstein> how did you add the PPA ?
[17:12] <xyclo> synaptic. Repos. Other Software
[17:12] <holstein> try - sudo apt-add-repository ppa:abogani/ppa
[17:13] <xyclo> I can see it in that list, but not under "Origin" in main Synaptic page
[17:13]  * xyclo is doing as instructed...
[17:13] <oCean> Eriam: probably running. Type ps axuww | grep sql to check
[17:14] <xyclo> holstein, "Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~abogani/+archive/ppa: HTTP Error 502: Bad Gateway
[17:14] <xyclo> "
[17:14] <holstein> OK
[17:15] <holstein> xyclo: go and get rid of that PPA
[17:15] <holstein> if its still in your sources
[17:15] <holstein> from before..
[17:15] <Eriam> this is rly getting on my nerves
[17:15] <Eriam> :-<
[17:16] <holstein> Eriam: check out http://www.turnkeylinux.org/lamp
[17:16] <holstein> setting up mysql is not trivial
[17:16] <holstein> i did it once, to say that i could :)
[17:17] <holstein> xyclo: OK
[17:17] <holstein> this is the PPA you should try
[17:17] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kernel/
[17:17] <holstein> sudo apt-add repository ppa:kxstudio-team/kernel
[17:17] <holstein> you can try that linux-realtime-31 kernel
[17:19] <trinikrono>  Eriam is it just a test server?
[17:21] <Eriam> so i got lamp up ..
[17:21] <Eriam> and i wanna use a software that helps me to do some network shaping
[17:21] <Eriam> from here https://www.webhtb.ro/how-to/details/?q=3
[17:22] <holstein> Eriam: i would suggest trying what you got
[17:22] <holstein> and using those tools as-needed
[17:23] <Eriam> yeah but... what tool does ubuntu desktop have for network shaping ?
[17:24] <holstein> wondershaper came up
[17:24] <holstein> http://ubuntu-snippets.blogspot.com/2008/07/easy-network-traffic-shaping-on-your.html
[17:24] <holstein> for me in google
[17:25] <holstein> personally, ive never felt like i needed it
[17:25] <holstein> Eriam: are you having complaints?
[17:25] <holstein> about the traffic to your server?
[17:26] <Eriam> im trying to get the server up so as to limit the trafic on a network ... i was told that that tool is newb friendly
[17:27] <holstein> well, i would say im not really a noob anymore
[17:27] <holstein> and nothing you have asked about so far is something i would consider newb-friendly
[17:27] <Eriam> so i figured...
[17:27] <holstein> but, why do you need it?
[17:27] <Eriam> still ... im gonna continue trying ..
[17:28] <Eriam> to limit download/upload speed of usesers on the network im in
[17:28] <holstein> Eriam: i use ddwrt on my routers
[17:28] <holstein> i think there are som advanced tools like thta in there
[17:31] <holstein> Eriam: im not clear on why you need mysql
[17:31] <holstein> for packet shaping
[17:32] <Eriam> it's a requierment for the application
[17:32] <holstein> seems like you can just install wondershaper
[17:33] <holstein> per machine
[17:33] <Eriam> it's easyer this way than to distribute that on every machine... those use windows
[17:35] <Eriam> im gonna have a great headache tonight if i manage 2 to this
[17:35] <Eriam> can you suggest a pdf or something like a tutorial on how to use ubuntu ? with commands and thing like that ? like a manual ... not a help file ?
[17:37] <holstein> the wikis are helpful
[17:37] <holstein> if you know what you are looking for
[17:38] <trinikrono> Eriam: did you ever see the server guide
[17:38] <holstein> Eriam: hey, http://www.turnkeylinux.org/forum/general/20101116/appliance-mastershaper-network-traffic-shaper
[17:38] <holstein> http://www.mastershaper.org/index.php/Main_Page
[17:38] <holstein> :)
[17:39] <xyclo> holstein, question: If i install thr rt kernel, and fglrx does not work with it, it should still work when I run on my current generic kernel, right?
[17:40] <holstein> xyclo: should
[17:40] <xyclo> nice
[17:40] <holstein> like dual booting
[17:40] <holstein> in a way
[17:40] <holstein> i do that on a laptop
[17:40] <holstein> the wifi doesnt work with -realtime
[17:40] <xyclo> exactly, it's what I thought
[17:41] <holstein> i dont use 3d on my production machine anyways
[17:41] <xyclo> really? wifi worked with abogani's rt kernel
[17:41] <xyclo> but well...
[17:41] <holstein> eh, i dont use networking either
[17:41] <holstein> usually *
[17:41] <xyclo> haha, what DO you do then...
[17:41] <xyclo> Bass, right?
[17:41] <holstein> make music :)
[17:42] <holstein> well thats my day-job
[17:42] <holstein> bass
[17:43] <xyclo> nice
[18:14] <JackyAlcine> How do you auto-identify in xChat?
[18:16] <holstein> this might be a script for you JackyAlcine
[18:16] <holstein> http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?p=10110
[18:16] <Cheri703> JackyAlcine: on the "network list" you choose your network, choose edit, and just put in the password...
[18:16] <Cheri703> at least initially, if it's for later, then yeah, try what holstein suggested: )
[18:16] <Cheri703> * :)
[18:17] <JackyAlcine> Cheri703, thanks. :D
[18:18] <Cheri703> yep
[18:18]  * Cheri703 uses xchat :)
[18:45] <Eriam> can someone tell me how can i install a program that is already downloaded ?
[18:45] <Eriam> after it's extracted
[18:46] <holstein> Eriam: there should be a readme
[18:46] <holstein> it really depends on the program
[18:46] <holstein> what its dependancies are and what-not
[18:46] <evilduanedesign> Eriam: is the program not available in the repositories?
[18:47] <Eriam> no ... so guys ... i came early.er with the problem.. i managed to install all it's dependencies
[18:47] <holstein> yeah ^^ apps in the repos are always the best/easiest way to go
[18:47] <Eriam> and modified the rc.local file
[18:47] <Eriam> meh ... now it tels me that i have 2 go to /var/www
[18:48] <Eriam> went there
[18:48] <Eriam> and executed the wget command to download the file from the given link
[18:48] <Eriam> and it says that the link is not good
[18:48] <Eriam> but still i managed 2 download the file with firefox
[18:49] <Eriam> problem now is that i cant copy it's contents in var/www from home/username/downloads ....
[18:50] <holstein> you have to sudo copy thing into var
[18:50] <holstein> probably have to sudo wget thing into var
[18:50] <holstein> maybe, cd /var/www
[18:51] <holstein> sudo wget whatever
[18:51] <Eriam> what does wget do more precisely ?
[18:51] <holstein> it gets things
[18:51] <holstein> from www
[18:51] <holstein> DL's
[18:52] <Eriam> and what is the copy comand from a folder to another ? is it something like sudo copy "home/user/ etc/file.x" to "var/www" ?
[18:53] <holstein> cp
[18:53] <holstein> probably need -R
[18:53] <holstein> cp -R
[18:53] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=439580
[18:53] <aveilleux> Eriam: You'll have to also chown www-data:www-data file.x
[18:55] <evilduanedesign> xyclo: you got flgrx working?
[18:56] <bioterror> evilduanedesign, ofcourse, I was around :D
[18:57] <evilduanedesign> lol
[18:58] <bioterror> but I dunno what he did :--)
[18:58] <evilduanedesign> bioterror: we could not get it to work with the RT kernel for nothing
[18:59] <bioterror> mystical realtime
[19:01] <holstein> yeah, it wont
[19:01] <holstein> AFAIK
[19:02] <holstein> theres a patch for the nvidia proprietary drivers
[19:03] <holstein> -lowlatency should work fine though
[19:03] <holstein> in both ways
[19:03] <holstein> decent latency
[19:03] <holstein> and 3d :)
[19:04] <holstein> testing in natty looks good with the -realtime kernel
[19:05] <holstein> hopefully, we generally wont need a -realtime kernel anymore
[19:08] <evilduanedesign> holstein: i think the last bug we were at was bug 573748
[19:09] <evilduanedesign> Launchpad bug 573748 in fglrx-installer "[MASTER] fglrx does not build on 2.6.33 kernel and higher" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/573748
[19:09] <holstein> evilduanedesign: thats not RT specific then right?
[19:10] <holstein> *in a couple minutes when that page loads, i'll read for myself ;)
[19:12] <evilduanedesign> holstein: actually i think this is it :P
[19:13] <evilduanedesign> Launchpad bug 159941 in fglrx-installer "fglrx driver does not work in RT kernel" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159941
[19:13] <holstein> sounds about right
[19:13] <holstein> no one is maintaining that kernel anyways
[19:13] <evilduanedesign> i have too many bugs in my history
[19:13] <evilduanedesign> aha
[19:13] <holstein> in testing, we are going to go with the -lowlatency
[19:13] <holstein> with ubuntustudio
[19:13] <holstein> in natty
[19:14] <holstein> either via PPA or in the repos
[19:14] <holstein> not sure if anyone will maintain a realtime one
[19:15] <holstein> hopefully, the -generic one will be suitable by 12.04 or so
[19:15] <holstein> that will be awesome :)
[19:20] <xyclo> Hey evilduanedesign
[19:21] <xyclo> I see you guys had a whole discussion on the issue already
[19:21] <xyclo> My take is that it won't work with the rt kernel
[19:22] <xyclo> And now, apparently I cannot come back from standby...
[19:32] <holstein> xyclo: with the RT kernel?
[19:32] <holstein> yeah, that not really what that kernel is about
[19:33] <holstein> IF you need to do both, -lowlatency is the way to go
[19:33] <MrChrisDruif> Both? Vid and rt?
[19:34] <MrChrisDruif> Than -lowlatency I'd guess
[19:34] <holstein> MrChrisDruif: both have your cake, and eat it to ;)
[19:34] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[19:35] <MrChrisDruif> Yammy, cake...I could eat that....even now :P
[19:48] <ubuntu42321> what is ext4 used for?
[19:49] <pleia2> it's the default filesystem for ubuntu since 9.10
[19:50] <ubuntu42321> im trying to resize my ubuntu partition and I have an extended and I have ext4
[19:50] <ubuntu42321> which part is ubuntu on?
[19:50] <pleia2> ext4
[19:51] <ubuntu42321> ok, now, I'm on a livecd and when I run sudo update-grub2 I get an error.
[19:51] <ubuntu42321> Do I need to chroot in order to run OS-Prober?
[19:52] <ubuntu42321> and update-grub2?
[19:52] <pleia2> what is the error?
[19:52] <pleia2> you can chroot, but it usually finds it
[19:53] <ubuntu42321> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo update-grub2
[19:53] <ubuntu42321> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
[19:53] <pleia2> ah
[19:53] <ubuntu42321> mhm :P
[19:54] <ubuntu42321> I have two drives and I'm resizing Ubuntu to run on SDA. I have win7 on SDB so I need to let grub2 know this after the partition is done resizing.
[19:57] <ubuntu42321> Do you know how to do that?
[20:17] <xyclo> holstein, I have not tried with the kxstudio rt kernel yet
[20:17] <xyclo> I am installing a bunch of other stuff now
[20:18] <holstein> xyclo: firewire will probably still require lowlatency or realtime
[20:19] <holstein> -generic still has issues in natty with firewire
[20:19] <holstein> getting RT privs*
[20:20] <MrChrisDruif> privs?
[20:20] <xyclo> do you know another ppa for a lowlatency kernel (in Maverick)
[20:20] <xyclo> privileges, right?
[20:20] <holstein> yeah, whatever you want to call it
[20:21] <xyclo> niceness?
[20:21] <xyclo> don't know
[20:21] <holstein> xyclo: you really shouldnt have to mess with that anymore either
[20:21] <xyclo> yeah, I heard the podcast...
[20:21] <xyclo> hehe
[20:22] <holstein> http://imagebin.org/141459
[20:22] <holstein> xyclo:
[20:22] <holstein> thats what is loosely proposed
[20:22] <holstein> hopefully for natty
[20:23] <holstein> we dropped the nice tweak from there
[20:24] <xyclo> nice (pun intended)
[20:24] <holstein> paultag and ailo are working on it :)
[20:27] <xyclo> chapeau to them then
[20:51] <Screw> hi all
[20:51] <MrChrisDruif> Hai Screw :)
[20:53] <Screw> how's things here?
[20:56] <ubuntu42321> oh, things are fine. Just resizing my partition
[20:56] <ubuntu42321> I need help chrooting into it though and updating grub2
[20:58] <MrChrisDruif> Screw: Things are well....bit tired
[20:59] <Screw> I experienced an interesting thing. I turn off X11 'cause I thought my laptop would be better battery time. However it became warmer. The  proprietary ATI driver didn't work on console and didn't put on powersaving mode my graphics card.
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> That's indeed interesting
 Did you run out of space?
[21:00] <ubuntu42321> Nope. I got another HDD.
[21:01] <ubuntu42321> I dual-boot 10.10/win7x64
[21:01] <ubuntu42321> I want sda to have ALL ubuntu and sdb to have ALL windows.
[21:01] <ubuntu42321> before, sda was split in half
[21:01] <ubuntu42321> Its about to be done resizing in two minutes.
[21:01] <MrChrisDruif> What is the current set up then ubuntu42321?
[21:01] <ubuntu42321> Now, I need to know how to chroot in and update grub2.
[21:02] <ubuntu42321> Current setup?
[21:02] <MrChrisDruif> With partitions and such...
[21:02] <ubuntu42321> SDA will be done resizing in twenty seconds.
[21:03] <ubuntu42321> SDB has win7x64 on it. SDA will have 10.10x64 on it.
[21:03] <ubuntu42321> It's checking for errors now.
[21:04] <ubuntu42321> SDA1+2 -used to- have win7x86 on it, while sda 3+5 had 10.10x64 on it.
[21:04] <ubuntu42321> I deleted sda1+2 and resized sda3 and then sda5 to the rest of the drive.
[21:04] <ubuntu42321> using gparted
[21:05] <ubuntu42321> now, I have sda3 and sda5 as my ubuntu
[21:06] <ubuntu42321> sdb is my win7
[21:06] <MrChrisDruif> root and home?
[21:06] <ubuntu42321> Right now, I need to update grub 2.
[21:06] <ubuntu42321> MrChrisDruif, i dont know if it's seperated into root and home.
[21:07] <MrChrisDruif> What are sda3 & 5? Is one swap?
[21:07] <ubuntu42321> one is extended and one is ext4
[21:07] <ubuntu42321> how do i check if one is swap or not? I dont think I made a swap space...
[21:08] <ubuntu42321> I can provide screenshots or whatever you need me to do. I just want to get this fixed :P
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> Extended is a partition to put multiple partitions on it...
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> *IF* I'm not mistaken
[21:09] <ubuntu42321> Ok. So, do I need to change that?
[21:09] <ubuntu42321> How do I make ubuntu primary on sda?
[21:11] <ubuntu42321> I'm going to just try and reboot.
[21:11] <ubuntu42321> idk what grub is doing or if it changed at all but here we go!
[21:16] <RealEyes> ok
[21:20] <Screw> Does ubuntu4321 have ubuntu live cd or we can see him tomorrow? :)
[21:20] <RealEyes> Screw, I am him.
[21:20] <RealEyes> I have livecd
[21:20] <RealEyes> The resize worked and I'm able to get into linux no problems.
[21:21] <Screw> :)
[21:21] <RealEyes> But, look at this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/cwMQaJGK
[21:21] <MrChrisDruif> Great to *see* you RealEyes :)
[21:21] <RealEyes> ;D
[21:21] <RealEyes> os-prober and update-grub2 dont *see* my sdb w/ win7 on it
[21:23] <MrChrisDruif> Meh :P
[21:24] <RealEyes> haha! So, how do I get all these to play nice together?
[21:25] <MrChrisDruif> Ow...*I might know*....<_<"
[21:25] <RealEyes> >.>;
[21:26] <RealEyes> I might try the way you know.
[21:26] <MrChrisDruif> You probably need to fix Windows
[21:26] <RealEyes> fix it how?
[21:26] <MrChrisDruif> Just grab a Windows installer cd and boot to it...say you want to recover windows...
[21:26] <MrChrisDruif> Then back in ubuntu do sudo update-grub(2?) again
[21:26] <RealEyes> lmfao
[21:27] <MrChrisDruif> What? :-/
[21:27] <RealEyes> uh, yeah, I dont' have a windows CD.
[21:27] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[21:27] <MrChrisDruif> Lol
[21:27] <RealEyes> I have win7 on a usb stick
[21:27] <RealEyes> bootable
[21:27] <Reaper50435> can anyone help me setup a brother MFC-490CW printer/scanner
[21:28] <RealEyes> MrChrisDruif, you think I should do that?
[21:28] <RealEyes> Maybe it's something wrong with the HDD in /sdb
[21:29] <RealEyes> it was set up for raid before and I haven't messed with it since. I dont have raid on my pc
[21:30] <MrChrisDruif> RealEyes: I'm not really sure, but I think the resizing had borked Windows up a bit.....boot to an installer (CD or USB ;)) of Windows should be able to fix the problem
[21:30] <RealEyes> I will try and I shall return with news!
[21:44] <Screw> good night
[21:54] <fredhami> How do you set the Internet Content setting in Ubuntu? In Windows you go to Internet option from the control panel and select the Content tab.
[21:56] <fredhami> hello?
[21:56] <pleia2> I'm not sure what "Internet Content" is
[21:57] <pleia2> can you explain?
[21:57] <fredhami> I try one sec
[21:58] <MrChrisDruif> Internet Content.....like filter?
[21:58] <fredhami> IT lets you prevent you children accessing inapporiate material over the Internet
[21:58] <fredhami> does ubuntu have something like that
[21:58] <fredhami> ?
[21:59] <pleia2> not by default
[21:59] <pleia2> Dan's Guardian is probably the most popular
[21:59] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DansGuardian
[21:59] <fredhami> you can download Dan Guardian from SOftware Center?
[22:00] <MrChrisDruif> fredhami: Set up OpenDNS, that way you can filter that content...and get a great speedboost to boot (can be relative that speed boost)
[22:00] <pleia2> fredhami: yes, it's in the software center
[22:00] <pleia2> it takes some configuration though
[22:01] <fredhami> WHat is OpenDNS?
[22:01] <MrChrisDruif> An alternative to your ISP's DNS servers :)
[22:01] <fredhami> Is this available on the SOftware CEnter too?
[22:02] <fredhami> and can it filter the content that accessible on the internet
[22:02] <MrChrisDruif> http://www.opendns.com/
[22:02] <MrChrisDruif> And you set it to filter that content....and for all PC's at once :)
[22:03] <fredhami> where do I setup it up from?
[22:03] <MrChrisDruif> It's all explained on the website :)
[22:03] <fredhami> www.opendns.com?
[22:05] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, but without the question mark :)
[22:05] <fredhami> So I have two options here I can set up Dan Guadian from the SOftware CEnter or set OpenDNS from it website www.opendns.com
[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> I think there are more options, but those two are probably tour best shot :)
[22:06] <fredhami> thankyou Ill check it out
[22:08] <fredhami> i am planning to buy a netbook and install Ubuntu on it and sometimes my kids cans use it and I dont know how to block content on Ubuntu
[22:13] <MrChrisDruif> Well, Firefox "might" have some content filtering options, not sure....no need for me.....single with no kids <_<"
[22:16] <MrChrisDruif> I could suggest Lubuntu, if you think Ubuntu is to slow for the netbook :)
[22:21] <einoensio> Hello everyone. I would like to have soundcard with 5.1 sound in AGP slot and i was just wondering what card work in ubuntu 10.10
[22:23] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know einoensio, but I think most will work....just select the right output :)
[23:37] <kristian-aalborg> trying to figure out if I should remove/ disable AppArmor for speed... any suggestions?
[23:39] <MrChrisDruif> What does AppArmor do?
[23:47] <fredhami> hay I tried to setup the internet content blocker with OpenDNS but there is some configuration involve.  WHat is the other application available in the SOftware Center called somthing Guardian and is it easier to install and use?
[23:48] <MrChrisDruif> Dan Guardian pleia2 suggested, but I don't know if it's easier
[23:49] <fredhami> thanks I check it out again
[23:49] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome fredhami
[23:49] <MrChrisDruif> :)
[23:51] <fredhami> I doing a search for Dan Guardian in the software center search box and its not finding it.
[23:52] <fredhami> maybe its under some other catorgory
[23:52] <fredhami> ?
[23:54] <fredhami> MrCHrisDrif could you help me on this


[02:11] <ChinnoDog> I hate evolution-alarm-notify.
[02:30] <ChinnoDog> Maybe it will be better now that I did "gsettings set org.gnome.evolution-data-server.calendar notify-with-tray true"
[02:38]  * ssweeny tries to figure out what that does
[02:50] <ChinnoDog> Supposedly the calendar event notifications will appear in the tray instead of an ugly separate window that gets in the way. Will see how ugly the tray notifications are.
[09:30] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[18:15] <ChinnoDog> It is depressing to see the teddy bot greeting filling the channel every day for the past... idk how long now. So many years.
[19:33] <waltman> Who says teddy's a bot?
[19:35] <waltman> afaict teddy-dbear is a sentient teddy bear who loves chocolate
[20:01] <teddy-dbear> and chocolate chip cookies!! :-D
[20:03] <teddy-dbear> ChinnoDog: should know better. we have been to the same events!
[20:13] <ChinnoDog> Every day at 5:30am on the dot though? lol
[20:14] <ChinnoDog> teddy-dbear: I know you are a real person. I also know you must have scripted the greeting for it to be so consistent.
[20:34] <teddy-dbear> type it the night before
[20:34] <teddy-dbear> just watch the clock in the morning


[04:39] <slimsag> Hi everyone, where would be the proper place to request libxcb v1.11 for Ubuntu 14.04 (which ships with libxcb v1.10)?


[00:42] <guillaume_> ogra you there?
[00:44] <stgraber> guillaume_: it's 01:42 at GMT+1
[00:45] <LaserJock> he'll be on in the morning in Germany
[00:45] <guillaume_> hehe allright
[00:47] <guillaume_> I submitted the bug report
[00:48] <guillaume_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/188223
[00:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188223 in ltsp "CHROOT will not upgrade" [Undecided,New]
[00:48] <LaserJock> I saw it
[00:48] <LaserJock> :-)
[00:48] <guillaume_> k
[00:49] <guillaume_> i was wondering if it was good practice to use the pastebin in a bug report
[00:49] <stgraber> no, not really
[00:50] <stgraber> usually you create a text file, then attach it to the bug
[00:50] <guillaume_> is the pastebin reseted once in a while?
[00:50] <stgraber> some pastebin doesn't keep the history for long
[00:50] <guillaume_> ok ill attach a text file then
[00:54] <guillaume_> ok while i am here
[00:55] <guillaume_> this bug was discovered while I was actually trying to make a LT2600 work with edubuntu
[00:55] <guillaume_> I managed to make my wyse s10 work but the lt2600 still isnt working
[00:56] <guillaume_> obviously like with most thin client, the xorg -configure doenst work
[00:56] <guillaume_> so I have to point to a xorg.conf file in the the lts.conf file
[00:57] <guillaume_> the wyse s10 and the lt2600 both use amd geode processor
[00:57] <guillaume_> so specifying the amd driver solved it for the s10 but not for the lt2600
[00:58] <guillaume_> the lt2600 has a amd geode lx800 processor
[00:58] <guillaume_> it just hangs when trying to start the xserver on the client
[00:58] <guillaume_> screen goes black and keyborad stop responding
[00:59] <guillaume_> I feel like I am talking to myself...
[00:59] <stgraber> sort of :) I'm busy testing the remaining ISOs for Alpha4 (to be released today)
[00:59] <guillaume_> ok
[01:00] <guillaume_> btw i tryed testing the alpha3 and it could not buil the ltsp chroot for some reason
[01:00] <guillaume_> I only tried the 64 bit version
[01:09] <guillaume_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/151503
[01:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151503 in ltsp "ltsp scripts dont work properly if chroot basedir is a symlink" [Wishlist,In progress]
[01:10] <guillaume_> could my problem be this?
[01:12] <stgraber> is you chroot basedir a symlink ?
[03:23] <IsleVegan> is there an issue booting an ebox 3800 (via 800 mhz) from a dual processor amd64 x2 with edubuntu 7.10. the thin client gets an ip address via dhcp from one of the server's 2 ethernet cables then I get "pxe-t01: file not found" and then "pxe-e3b: tftp error - file not found" and then "PXE-M0F: Exiting Intel PXE ROM"
[03:24] <IsleVegan> this might be relevant: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2006-August/000214.html
[03:24] <IsleVegan> ?
[03:38] <IsleVegan> should i do this: "sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/amd64" and then this "sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386"? does the amd64 folder need to be removed?
[03:40] <LaserJock> that would create a i386 chroot
[03:40] <IsleVegan> i'm new to ltsp / edubuntu
[03:40] <IsleVegan> i use ubuntu / xubuntu at home
[03:40] <IsleVegan> but this is new to me
[03:40] <LaserJock> and I don't do much with LTSP so I might not be much help :-)
[03:40] <IsleVegan> ok
[03:41] <IsleVegan> that's what this room is for, right?
[03:43] <IsleVegan> i have the ethernet cable going directly from the thin client to one of the server's ethernet ports, wasn't sure if that would work without a hub / switch or crossover cable between but if it gets a dhcp address i guess it's ok
[03:43] <IsleVegan> right?
[03:57] <LaserJock> actually, you could also ask the #ltsp channel
[03:57] <LaserJock> ahh
[03:57] <LaserJock> you need a switch or crossover cable
[03:57] <LaserJock> it won't work directly over a regular ethernet cable
[04:08] <IsleVegan> hmm
[04:12] <LaserJock> IsleVegan: I ran into that when I first tried LTSP
[04:12] <LaserJock> then I got a crossover cable and it worked
[04:15] <IsleVegan> well, it did get a dhcp address the way it is connected
[04:15] <IsleVegan> i don't have a crossover cable or switch here, just a router, and i'm not sure if the router can do that
[04:17] <IsleVegan> so, i'm trying it this way for now, until i can get a switch / crossover cable, i guess
[04:33] <IsleVegan> it booted up to the spinning gnome cursor
[04:33] <IsleVegan> saw the EDUBUNTU graphic
[04:33] <IsleVegan> now there is just the spinning cursor in the middle of the display, then a flash and a brief moment of the login screen then repeat
[04:34] <IsleVegan> and it's repeating continuously, like there might be a gui / x / gdm issue?
[04:44] <sickonnet> hiii
[04:44] <sickonnet> how to make support for printer on ltsp gutsy
[04:49] <LaserJock> IsleVegan: that could be. You might want to email edubuntu-users (you can find it on http://lists.ubuntu.com)
[04:54] <IsleVegan> ok, thanks, but you learned something too. that it is bootable when connected directly, possibly with the right hardware
[04:58] <IsleVegan> YAY :-)
[10:44] <Erik1> i installed ubuntu desktop from a cd i burned from the dowload site of ubuntu. it installed ok and I added some stuff with synaptic. All this yesyerday evening. Now I boot up and my installation shows I have EDUBUNTU. what's the deal here ???
[13:22] <Nubae> I have a silly question (maybe)... If I have a fat client environment (ltsp with whole edubuntu environment in it) can I update that environment via synaptic from the fat client itself... or does it have to be done in the chroot on the server?
[13:27] <laga> um. if you're using squashfs, you can't update it from the client
[13:31] <Nubae> yeah am, so how could I change it to so that is possible?
[13:32] <laga> you can change your client to boot from the chroot iself, eg export it over NFS. i think you can do that by setting an environment variable somewhere..
[13:32] <laga> but to be honest, i wouldn't do that
[13:32] <Nubae> what I'm ideally looking for is, start up via ltsp from server with full ubuntu environment (local apps, devices, etc) but still be able to centrally manage...
[13:32] <laga> a) NFS doesn't work well with unionfs
[13:33] <laga> b) NFS is slower for booting
[13:33] <laga> IIRC
[13:33] <laga> what do you want to manage centrally?
[13:33] <Nubae> installations
[13:34] <Nubae> of apps, user management, etc... as much as possible really
[13:34] <laga> ah
[13:35] <Nubae> what about loading a generic part via squashfs and then the rest via nfs?
[13:35] <laga> well, why don't you just do that on the server and run ltsp-update-image?
[13:35] <Nubae> the machines are all the same
[13:35] <laga> how do you save files on the fat client, btw?
[13:35] <Nubae> memory stick, nfs mounted home
[13:35] <laga> ah
[13:36] <Nubae> but its not ideal yet... it works, but with many issues
[13:36] <laga> if my patches are accept for hardy, you'll be able to have a writable layer on top of the squashfs. well, actually, that's what's happening currently, but the changes are discared as soon as you reboot
[13:37] <Nubae> wow, that is cool indeed
[13:37] <laga> is does have its issues, too. eg you shouldn't run the package manager on the fat client or you'll run into issues as soon as you update the squashfs.
[13:38] <Nubae> yeah, its all new territory...
[13:38] <laga> Nubae: my suggestion for you right now is that you just chroot into the chroot, apply your changes, exit, and run ltsp-update-image
[13:38] <laga> that's cumbersome but the cleanest way i can think of
[13:38] <Nubae> thats what I currently do ;-)
[13:38] <laga> ah.
[13:39] <laga> disclaimer: i have never really used LTSP, i just hack it for fat client support
[13:39] <Nubae> oh cool, well I'm testing fat stuff a lot at the moment...
[13:40] <Nubae> I tried a full edubuntu-desktop apt-get but that didnt work out in the startup phases.... the init scripts freeze the startup
[13:40] <Nubae> so I tried a minimal install with a xfce desktop, and taht worked
[13:40] <Nubae> authenticating via ldap
[13:40] <laga> ldap? cool, never used that
[13:41] <laga> i suggest you search the wiki, there's a switch that'll let you use NFS
[13:42] <Nubae> I'm just working on a fat client howto... I'll show you when its done, maybe you can advise me on what should be changed
[13:42] <laga> but be warned, it's likely that it'll break unionfs with the current gutsy kernel. it should be fixed in the kernel that currently is in gutsy-proposed.
[13:42] <Nubae> I'll do that...
[13:42] <laga> Nubae: um
[13:42] <laga> Nubae: never mind. even if you use NFS; you'll still not be able to commit changes. i think
[13:42] <laga> not with unionfs on top of that
[13:42] <Nubae> its not that important... I was just wondering...
[13:43] <Nubae> apt-getting the chroot is easy enough
[13:43] <laga> yup
[13:43] <Nubae> i just hate having to build the image every time
[13:43] <Nubae> sometimes teh changes are so minimal
[13:43] <laga> Nubae: my "fat clients" are really just media centre pcs (mythtv frontends for mythbuntu), so it's a lot less complicated
[13:43] <laga> Nubae: i hear ya.
[13:44] <laga> i love it when i run ltsp-update-image instead of ltsp-update-kernel, too :/
[13:44] <Nubae> so how are your clients fat, just kernel and module changes?
[13:45] <laga> Nubae: "fat" means, by my definition, that the client does all the work
[13:45] <laga> eg video display
[13:45] <Nubae> yeah right, local apps and local devices
[13:46] <Nubae> so you installed the entire edubuntu-desktop successfully in the chroot?
[13:46] <laga> no. i installed mythbuntu-desktop. :)
[13:46] <laga> i created a plugin for ltsp-build-client
[13:46] <laga> based off the kiosk mode
[13:47] <Nubae> ah ok, I'm not sure what mythbuntu is
[13:47] <laga> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-diskless/annotate/laga%40prometheus-20080202002313-zpo3cpwwduycc4iy?file_id=30mythtv-20080117192245-pp5zhqeqyyhjciwx-1
[13:47] <laga> Nubae: a HTPC distribution based on ubuntu and mythtv
[13:47] <laga> Nubae: think tivo on steroids
[13:48] <Nubae> ah, and you autologin so no need for authentication?
[13:48] <laga> kind of
[13:49] <laga> i created a --mythbuntu-copy-user-credentials switch which just copies user and password from the user running ltsp-build-client
[13:49] <laga> you can also just pass in a password using --mythbuntu-user-credentials user:pass
[13:50] <Nubae> hmmm... you're script is a good base for other fat environments
[13:51] <laga> thanks. as i said, i just added stuff to the kiosk mode :)
[13:51] <laga> Nubae: what's still missing are the changes i mentioned earlier to have a persistent copy-on-write branch to preserve files over reboots
[13:52] <Nubae> so on startup, what do you not boot from ltsp-client-core?
[13:52] <laga> you mean what i'm not using from it?
[13:52] <Nubae> yeah, did u blacklist anything?
[13:53] <laga> i don't remember what it does, i just remember i don't need it
[13:54] <laga> i think it sets up stuff like sound and local devices
[13:54] <Nubae> I run into problems with ltsp-client-core on startup... system freezes bootup process, but cant pin point exactly where
[13:54] <Nubae> just know its around the ltsp-client-core setup phase
[13:55] <laga> remove it temporarily and try again
[13:55] <laga> as you can see i removed it completely
[13:56] <Nubae> EARLY_PACKAGES="ltsp-client"  - what does that do?
[13:57] <laga> it tells ltsp-build-client to install ltsp-client before most of the other packagres i assume
[13:59] <laga> i also added RC6_WHITELIST="reboot alsa-utils" because i don't want to be yelled at when volume settings are not preserved across reboots
[13:59] <Nubae> yeah, guess that makes sense... well, I'm doing this at the moment: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/fati386 apt-get install edubuntu-addon-light gdm network-manager gnome-mount firefox openoffice.org
[14:00] <Nubae> that and ldap
[14:00] <laga> yeah, that works as well i suppose
[14:00] <laga> you just have all the ltsp-specific stuff still in there
[14:00] <Nubae> but somewhere between that and apt-get install edubuntu-desktop something breaks
[14:00] <laga> do you get a error message when booting or when installing?
[14:01] <Nubae> not installation wise, but trying to startup... I cant get to the error messages
[14:01] <Nubae> I took out quiet and splash from pxelinux.cfg
[14:01] <Nubae> goes through, almost to the end, and then just sits there... can't even login with root...
[14:02] <laga> remove the ltsp-client-core startup links in /etc/rc2.d/ and try again.. not sure if it helps. also get a backup so you don't break anything :)
[14:03] <Nubae> hehe, I have 3 fat chroot at the moment, all in various stages
[14:04] <Nubae> I tried moving the rc2.d ltsp-client-core startup up after gdm
[14:04] <Nubae> that didnt help
[14:04] <laga> do you actually need ltsp-client-core?
[14:04] <Nubae> well, haven't really thought about it, maybe, maybe not
[14:04] <Nubae> I'm gonna take a look at it... but still, I think its stopping before it gets to that
[14:09] <Nubae> whats the best way to test this, take out startup scripts from the runlevels?
[14:09] <laga> rm :)
[14:09] <Nubae> u mean mv ../someplaceforbackup/
[14:09] <Nubae> :-)
[14:12] <laga> sure.
[14:12] <laga> %)
[14:13] <Nubae> well, you're script has given me some ideas... I'll start with a howto though... then move to a script :-p
[14:13] <laga> i'm glad it's helping you
[14:14] <laga> i hope i can submit my initramfs patches this weekend so you (I ;)) can have persistent directories for changes
[14:14] <Nubae> so what's your audience for this mythtv thing?
[14:15] <laga> everyone who uses mythbuntu ;)) heh
[14:15] <laga> it's for everyone who has a TV card and wants to have a powerful PVR to record things for him
[14:16] <Nubae> ah mythbuntu is a distro?
[14:16] <laga> it's also for people who want to have a complete media centre solution, eg it also has a UI to put on the TV
[14:16] <laga> yes
[14:16]  * Nubae is a little slow today
[14:17] <laga> :)
[14:17] <Nubae> hmmm, I just took out ltsp-client-core and system freezes at Starting up log daemon
[14:18] <Nubae> I don't get it... I'm gonna have to document every detailed change and then rebuild the image until I get to what is doing this
[14:19] <laga> :/
[14:19] <laga> maybe you can install a sshd
[14:19] <laga> and log in
[14:19] <Nubae> I've tried that, I can't even ping the machine when it gets to the freeze point
[14:19] <laga> :/
[14:20] <laga> i wonder if that's caused by unionfs
[14:20] <Nubae> if I could log in as root i could check the logs
[14:20]  * laga tends to blame unionfs for everything
[14:20] <Nubae> maybe, but why?
[14:20] <Nubae> hehe, yeah skapegoat is always good
[14:20] <Nubae> if there is a solution on the horizon
[14:20] <Nubae> :-)
[14:21] <Nubae> thats why I thought, startup with unionfs, then move over to nfs
[14:21] <laga> :)
[14:21] <laga> if it was unionfs, the new kernel in gutsy-proposed would likely help
[14:21] <laga> don't blame me if it doesn't help, though :)
[14:22] <Nubae> whats gutsy-proposed?
[14:22] <laga> if you check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:23] <laga> you can see it says things like http://some.mirror/ubuntu gutsy main restricted
[14:23] <laga> if you add another line saying "gutsy-proposed" instead of just "gutsy", you get stuff from gutsy-proposed. it contains packages which might eventually come into gutsy-updates once they're deemed stable enough.
[14:23] <laga> hint hint: they might break  stuff :)
[14:24] <Nubae> righto, ok, didnt know that repository existed
[14:24] <laga> i'm assuming you're running gutsy.
[14:24] <Nubae> I'm gonna install alpha4 now anyway, so I'll test with that
[14:24] <Nubae> yeah I am
[14:25] <laga> not sure if alpha4 is fixed yet
[14:26] <Nubae> fixed? whats wrong with it? I have a recent daily build ogra told me is stable enough
[14:26] <laga> ah
[14:26] <laga> well, with regards to unionfs. if that ever was your problem, that is
[14:26]  * laga ponders
[14:26]  * laga thinks hard
[14:27] <Nubae> yeah sure gonna try it, I need a solution, because I have 21 dual core intel pcs with 2 gigs of ram sitting here running as ltsp thin clients
[14:27] <laga> not, that really shouldn't be the problem. unless you boot from nfs instead of squashfs
[14:27] <laga> haha :)
[14:27] <laga> nice setup
[14:27] <Nubae> yeah, the school has been moaning at me for a while now about this
[14:27] <Nubae> bandwidth lockups with multimedia, flash, shockwave
[14:28] <laga> :/
[14:28] <Nubae> ah, and they are laptops, lol
[14:29] <laga> laptops.. school..
[14:29] <laga> let me guess, they're chained to the desks?
[14:30] <laga> they computer lab at my school were a bunch of durons on VIA boards running win 98 or ME
[14:30] <laga> i often wished i could just raid the place with some ltsp ninjas
[14:32] <Nubae> yep chained indded
[14:33] <Nubae> they spent over 1000 euros per laptop, just to see them used as thin clients chained to desks
[14:33] <Nubae> bought because the 'looked good'
[14:33] <laga> it's not much better if they're fat clients chained to desks
[14:33] <laga> ouch.
[14:34] <laga> a used thin client + new LC display  is like 300€ i guess..
[14:34] <Nubae> I just bought 20 old p3 500mhz for 200 euros
[14:34] <Nubae> sorry 400
[14:34] <Nubae> in total
[14:35] <laga> nice
[14:35] <Nubae> many companies are just trying to get rid of their older stuff and will even pay people to do it... I fantasised about starting a ltsp based company that did something with that
[14:36] <Nubae> u know, took from the rich and gave to the poor :p
[14:36] <Nubae> call it robinhoontu
[14:37] <laga> hehe
[14:37] <laga> i think there's something like that in the US...
[14:38] <laga> http://freegeek.org/
[14:38] <Nubae> r u in the US?
[14:38] <laga> no
[14:38] <laga> germany
[14:39] <Nubae> ah, I'm in Spain myself... think it will be some time before something like that is possible here
[14:41] <laga> yup
[14:44] <laga> spain. </jealousy>
[14:44]  * laga goes out a bit :)
[14:47] <Nubae> South of Spain even ;
[20:15] <Guil-T> i have a thin client with a geode gx processor, it suport good rez and all but graphics are extremely slow
[20:15] <Guil-T> are there some tweeks i can try to boost performance
[20:16] <Guil-T> even the desktop is slow and choppy
[23:11] <markvandenborre> I have a bit of trouble with undisciplined users not closing down their sessions
[23:11] <markvandenborre> and load going up to > 10
[23:11] <markvandenborre> the human approach doesn't seem to be working yet
[23:12] <markvandenborre> I wonder if it would be useful to kill all processes with uid > 999 every night
[23:12] <markvandenborre> no one is ever doing anything late at night
[23:12] <markvandenborre> or would you suggest other, more gentle stopgap solutions
[23:20] <stgraber> markvandenborre: you may want interested in xterminator, haven't used it though but it looks like what you are looking for
[23:21] <stgraber> https://edge.launchpad.net/xterminator
[23:21] <stgraber> s/edge\.// if you are not beta tester
[23:31] <markvandenborre> stgraber: will have a look
[23:33] <markvandenborre> the thing is it doesn't need a lot of idle users
[23:33] <markvandenborre> to make the load go up incredibly high
[23:33] <markvandenborre> idle or logged out ones
[23:33] <markvandenborre> so if 2 or 3 are still there, this one is not a solution
[23:34] <markvandenborre> 2 or 3 nautilus instances, I mean, because the load will go up to > 3, 4, 10 sometimes
[23:34] <markvandenborre> but thanks for the suggestion anyway
[23:34] <markvandenborre> !
[23:35] <markvandenborre> (btw, this is rather beefy hardware, dual quadcore xeon with 4Gb of ram and 15k rpm hardware raid 5 disks
[23:35] <markvandenborre> )
[23:35] <markvandenborre> so that's not the problem either