[12:47] <ubotu> players is, like, totally, Audio/MP3 Players: amaroK, Banshee, Beep-media-player, JuK, Rhythmbox, XMMS ; Video players: Totem, Xine, Mplayer, VLC
[12:47] <snoozix> apokryphos: i hate these "have to built a database" players. my mp3 collection changes every 2 minutes.
[12:47] <snoozix> apokryphos: i know all of them.
[12:47] <apokryphos> snoozix: I don't know any of them that *have* to build a database
[12:48] <snoozix> apokryphos: i just don't want it their way.
[12:48] <snoozix> apokryphos: xmms fits my needs perfectly.
[12:48] <arrinmurr> xmms is great :)
[12:48] <kosh> I prefer amarok since it can do output with xine and xine can do 7.1 audio easily
[12:48] <snoozix> apokryphos: if there would be a player that's nearly as cool as foobar2000 for windows, i would consider rethinking about that.
[12:49] <apokryphos> snoozix: but have you tried all of them? I personally recommend amaroK and/or JuK
[12:49] <apokryphos> arrinmurr: it really really isn't
[12:49] <snoozix> xmms does exactly what i want and the crossfader plugin is absolutely configurable and fits my needs perfectly.
[12:49] <snoozix> apokryphos: again, i am INTO it. don't blame me.
[12:50] <snoozix> apokryphos: yes i have tried all of them.
[12:50] <apokryphos> kosh: what 7.1 audio files do you have exactly? ;-)
[12:50] <apokryphos> snoozix: never tried it, so couldn't really comment.
[12:50] <apokryphos> kosh: though yes, xine engine is a big plus in general for me.
[12:50] <snoozix> apokryphos: it's great and works with absolutely low latency once you set it up correctly. it's a honour to use it.
[12:50] <kosh> apokryphos: I have a 7.1 speaker setup, if I play with normal output the signal is not upmixed correctly, however xine will do it right
[12:50] <apokryphos> snoozix: many of the others have perfectly well working fading options
[12:50] <apokryphos> without all the ugliness I might add
[12:51] <snoozix> nobody ever needs more than 2 speakers to listen to music.
[12:51] <kosh> xmms though  I find is just too tiny for me to even read the stuff in it
[12:51] <kosh> snoozix: I do have some 5.1 audio discs
[12:51] <apokryphos> snoozix: well "I just like it" I'm not going to argue with
[12:51] <snoozix> apokryphos: maybe. i tried all of them and switched back to xmms latest 1 day after checking it out.
[12:51] <apokryphos> snoozix: then I bet you didn't try them properly
[12:51] <snoozix> apokryphos: and i mean it for real, i don't talk senseless shit just to keep up a stupid discussion :)
[12:52] <endo602> is there a place I can ask general linux questoins?
[12:52] <snoozix> apokryphos: i did.
[12:52] <arrinmurr> apokryphos: xmms plays many formats (all the formats i need anyway), it has the winamp look and it's lightweight - what else does one need? ;)
[12:52] <kosh> snoozix: ah so no sub for music ever then?
[12:52] <endo602> like how do i shut off the caps lock key?
[12:52] <kosh> snoozix: what about movies? I guess we don't need surround either? or have you ever listended to some bach music in the original quadraphonic sound?
[12:52] <apokryphos> winamp look is why everyone uses it, and it's a little silly. It's really worth trying the others to get a proper view of the competition
[12:52] <snoozix> kosh: i recommend a GOOD soundcard and 2 excellent speakers.
[12:52] <snoozix> kosh: no subwoofer plastic throwaway stuff pretending to be hifi. it's lame.
[12:52] <apokryphos> arrinmurr: well personally I find it tremendously ugly (X menus? Come on now), and ultimately lacking in features
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: definitely NO!
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: DISagreed.
[12:53] <apokryphos> what?
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: the winamp look is a shame. i don't like it.
[12:53] <endo602> is there a way to use microsoft onenote 2003 on kubuntu?
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: i like the player itself.
[12:53] <apokryphos> snoozix: good for you =)
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: it's NOT why i use xmms.
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: in fact.
[12:53] <apokryphos> snoozix: what exactly is good about the player?
[12:53] <snoozix> apokryphos: it just works.
[12:53] <endo602> its small
[12:53] <apokryphos> so do the others
[12:53] <endo602> no frills
[12:54] <apokryphos> juk is reasonably small; beep is smaller
[12:54] <endo602> just plays music
[12:54] <apokryphos> so the ugliness is a plus?
[12:54] <apokryphos> ok.....
[12:54] <snoozix> apokryphos: beep is xmms with gtk2. nothing else.
[12:54] <kkathman-zzzz> lol
[12:54] <endo602> kkathman-zzzz:  is there a way to shut off my caps key for good?
[12:54] <apokryphos> snoozix: exactly! So why would you use xmms.  I dont think so
[12:55] <snoozix> apokryphos: they are a DISEASE and make life MUCH harder for me.
[12:55] <apokryphos> X ones are probably worse
[12:55] <apokryphos> but true -- I don't like them neither
[12:55] <endo602> that sux
[12:55] <apokryphos> snoozix: what's wrong with juk?
[12:55] <kkathman-zzzz> endo602:  wouldnt that be a bit radical if you had to write a letter?
[12:55] <endo602> i can disable temporarily
[12:55] <endo602> why?
[12:55] <kkathman-zzzz> uhm, proper nouns?
[12:56] <endo602> caps lock key
[12:56] <kkathman-zzzz> ohh caps LOCK
[12:56] <endo602> i can use shift
[12:56] <kkathman-zzzz> hehe
[12:56] <endo602> yeah sorry
[12:56] <snoozix> apokryphos: i can't think of any reason why "Home" should be /home/myname and not /home. i can't figure out why there isn't "." and ".."  I hate them too, as I said =)
[12:56] <arrinmurr> apokryphos: well, i don't need any cool features. and the look of the menus? who cares? amaroK is maybe nice, but it's like 5x as heavy as xmms. oh well, luckily there are many players for people to choose from, but i'll always be there to defend xmms anyway ;)
[12:56] <endo602> small laptop keyboard
[12:56] <kkathman-zzzz> hehe
[12:57] <apokryphos> snoozix: there was a really good movie clip recording demonstrating some frustration caused with gtk file open dialog
[12:57] <snoozix> apokryphos: i had hours of discussions about that silly gtk2 file selection dialogs. if programmers think their users are idiots, only idiots will use their software. that's the way things are.
[12:57] <snoozix> apokryphos: and it IS the way things are.
[12:57] <apokryphos> arrinmurr: fine and dandy; as I said, I won't argue with "I just like it". amaroK is not the only player out there; JuK is a featureful alternative that is quite lightweight.
[12:58] <apokryphos> snoozix: alright Linus :P
[12:58] <snoozix> apokryphos: they are the worst "life easier making" stuff i had to work with since starting using linux. gtk2 developers should be arrested lifelong for this piece of SHIT.
[12:58] <arrinmurr> apokryphos: i bet it's still heavier than xmms :/
[12:58] <apokryphos> snoozix: alright alright -- language please.
[12:58] <kkathman-zzzz> geez
[12:59] <endo602> what do you guys think is wiser a dual boot partition with linux and kubuntu or a linux box with a wm windows?
[12:59] <apokryphos> arrinmurr: I bet mpg321 is lighter than xmms too ;-)
[12:59] <endo602> vm windows
[12:59] <snoozix> apokryphos: sorry, but you try to get me in your way and i don't feel like trying out software i know i'm frustrated of a few hours after trying. and i just would need a cool eq. nothing else.
[12:59] <apokryphos> your last rant was pretty wasted though -- I said from the out-take that I detest gtk file open dialog too :)
[01:00] <kosh> I have to admit I can't see any realy difference in resource consumption between amarok and xmms
[01:00] <snoozix> mpg321 is a hacked up mpg123. i recommend everyone to compile it's own mpg123 and throw away that deb stuff. it has more latency and some keyboard bindings don't work.
[01:00] <endo602> kkathman-zzzz: you out of ideas?
[01:01] <arrinmurr> apokryphos: actually, it seems to be ~2x as heavy as xmms :D
[01:01] <apokryphos> arrinmurr: what? JuK?
[01:01] <arrinmurr> apokryphos: mpg321
[01:01] <snoozix> amarok doesn't play correctly, it jitters and jumps all the time.
[01:01] <apokryphos> I very much doubt that
[01:01] <snoozix> drrt-drrz-drrttzz-drrttz
[01:01] <apokryphos> snoozix: what engine, and what file format?
[01:02] <snoozix> great.
[01:02] <arrinmurr> apokryphos: well, that's what top says
[01:02] <snoozix> cool player.
[01:02] <snoozix> apokryphos: mp3 with alsasink
[01:02] <apokryphos> snoozix: obviously if you're getting that then you've encountered a bug (or you're doing something wrong), the player isn't actually like that.
[01:02] <snoozix> apokryphos: i don't think i'm doing anything wrong.
[01:03] <kosh> top is not accurate for memory usage
[01:03] <apokryphos> snoozix: you on breezy?
[01:03] <kosh> snoozix: I would use the xine output
[01:03] <snoozix> apokryphos: yes.
[01:04] <snoozix> kosh: i just try it out, yeah.
[01:04] <callie> I use amarok xine and im more than satisfied with it
[01:04] <apokryphos> snoozix: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.8.php
[01:04] <kosh> snoozix: amarok works fine but gstreamer needs a lot of work
[01:04] <apokryphos> it will probably get that with kde 4 =)
[01:05] <callie> g streamer needs ditching, or at least removing until its half way usefull
[01:05] <apokryphos> it's not that bad, really :D
[01:05] <callie> erm
[01:05] <callie> it doesnt play mp3's properly
[01:05] <apokryphos> does here
[01:05] <kosh> it plays mp3s fine
[01:05] <snoozix> ok it works. so why can't i just have a single window with a playlist? why is the current playlist entry pulsating? why do i have to get used to this home/current/content/collection (dont want it) tabs?
[01:06] <snoozix> why can't it read id3 info when i CLICK on a track?
[01:06] <snoozix> argh
[01:06] <apokryphos> snoozix: (i) you can (ii) it's called the "now playing affect" -- might be alterable, (iii) you don't.
[01:06] <snoozix> and i really don't like the interface :(
[01:06] <dipnlik> snoozix: use mp3blaster instead
[01:06] <callie> its all jittery on mine and i dont think i should have to tweak the hell out of it or have super computer to work
[01:06] <apokryphos> sure
[01:06] <dipnlik> snoozix: or make a player with all you like
[01:07] <snoozix> dipnlik: xmms works as i want it to. it's good.
[01:07] <dipnlik> snoozix: so......... use iiiiiiiiit! :)
[01:07] <callie> xmms is great if you run at 1024x768
[01:07] <snoozix> dipnlik: i just tried to figure out why i don't like that other stuff because i got caught in that silly discussion.
[01:07] <callie> otherwise its tiny
[01:07] <snoozix> dipnlik: i am here to discuss things :)
[01:07] <snoozix> dipnlik: don't blame me. i know what i'm using and why.
[01:08] <callie> snoozix, if you like it and it works that all the reason you need, surely thats why we're all using Kubuntu in the first place
[01:09] <snoozix> callie: i'm using ubuntu with apt-get install kde, so where's the matter? :)
[01:09] <kosh> well at higher rez xmms is just not usable
[01:09] <snoozix> kosh: not really true.
[01:09] <snoozix> kosh: depends on the skin you use.
[01:09] <callie> snoozix, i was agreeing with you
[01:09] <sniff> has anyone had problems with faulty menus in kde. Like you click on TOOLS and then go to a submenu but it doesn't display?
[01:10] <snoozix> kosh: the default is not easy to read then, that's right.
[01:10] <snoozix> kosh: see it positivy, it doesn't take much space on your desktop then :)
[01:10] <snoozix> callie: i know, but i wasn't with you :)
[01:10] <dipnlik> sniff: there is one image viewing program that has a Tools item but no subitems
[01:10] <callie> snoozix, I think you're confusing 'discuss' with 'argue needlessly'
[01:11] <snoozix> and i WILL keep up those discussions until people stop trying to get me to software i don't like just because i need a player with a GOOD octave equalizer like 31, 62, 125hz and so on.
[01:11] <dipnlik> sniff: can't remember what it was, kuickshow, gwenview, something like that
[01:11] <kosh> snoozix: I have 4 monitors and I don't keep the audio player visable anyways
[01:11] <snoozix> callie: hehehe
[01:11] <kosh> snoozix: I just load it up to set a collection of songs to play
[01:11] <snoozix> kosh: i got 3 and sometimes i really search xmms on my desktop, yes :)
[01:12] <snoozix> kosh: but it's not that problem with virtual desktops and a taskbar wm.
[01:12] <snoozix> at least amarok now plays mp3s. not bad.
[01:12] <tristan_> hello
[01:13] <snoozix> i think i will use it for 2 or 3 days and then shift back to xmms :)
[01:13] <snoozix> hi tristan_
[01:13] <snoozix> np: police - de do do do, de da da da :)
[01:13] <snoozix> allright, gotta do stuff. cu all in 6 hours or so.
[01:13] <snoozix> and anyways, thanks a lot for helping me :)
[01:14] <tristan_> I have created a startup script in /home/tristan/.kde/Autostart which should automatically launch my xmodmap but it just open it with kate everytime I launch kde... anyone knows why?
[01:14] <paines> trappist, ist it executable ?
[01:14] <tristan_> My file is called xmod and looks like that :       #!/bin/sh
[01:14] <tristan_>       xmodmap /etc/xmodmap.conf
[01:14] <paines> ups
[01:14] <dipnlik> tristan_: chmod +x on your file ?
[01:14] <paines> in mean tristan_
[01:15] <tristan_> Already +x for user, group and other
[01:16] <paines> tristan_, look into ~/.xsession-errors for error messages
[01:16] <tristan_> Does the file xmod need to belong to me or to root?
[01:17] <tristan_> Would this be an answer...
[01:17] <tristan_> kdecore (KLibLoader): WARNING: KLibrary: /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_keyboard.so
[01:17] <tristan_> : undefined symbol: init_keyboard_layou
[01:17] <AMelsen> Anyone who can tell me what I need to install and do to connect to our network printers here at work? Shared from a Windows 2000
[01:18] <tristan_> But I don't understand because if I type xmodmap /etc/xmodmap.conf it works fine
[01:23] <Finite9> window redrawing/moving windows is a bit sluggish--how can I make it run faster?
[01:24] <kosh> Finite9: faster graphics card, however in another few months if you have a card capable of hardware accelerated opengl you should be able to use xgl which gives a huge speedup
[01:24] <kosh> Finite9: since it offloads just about all the x stuff to the graphics card
[01:25] <callie> kosh, whats that a part of?
[01:25] <callie> kde upgrade?
[01:25] <kosh> callie: it is an x thing not a kde thing
[01:25] <callie> cool
[01:28] <cion> does amarok uses gstreamer plugins like on gnome?
[01:29] <arrinmurr> cion: yes, if that's what you want
[01:30] <cion> i mean i just installed
[01:30] <cion> kubuntu
[01:30] <cion> do i have to follow same procedures as for ubuntu?
[01:31] <ita> hi all .. finally you see a happy ita
[01:31] <ita> *happy smile (not on drugs but on kubuntu)*
[01:32] <arrinmurr> cion: yeah, i guess you should install the same gstreamer packages if you want to use amarok with gstreamer. i'd just install amarok-xine and use it though
[01:32] <cion> italiano?
[01:32] <cion> oh ok
[01:32] <cion> so installing amarok-xine fixes all the  mp3,wma problems?
[01:33] <ita> mi padre e .. io sono nato in germania
[01:33] <arrinmurr> cion: i don't know about wma
[01:33] <cion> arrinmurr ok where can i get more info
[01:34] <cion> ita piacere, io sto a Roma
[01:34] <arrinmurr> cion: you could just install amarok-xine and try it. if it's not enough for your needs, just install the gstreamer packages then, following:
[01:34] <arrinmurr> !restricted
[01:34] <ubotu> [restricted]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[01:35] <cion> ok got it
[01:35] <cion> thx man
[01:45] <ita> i have another noobsh question .. i used to run fc3 .. there i could open "terminals/shells" .. inside there was a bash running but it was more configurable (optic only), i had "colors" .. and i could start kde stuff .. now i only have xterm .. i looks ugly, starting kde stuff makes it go "cannot open display" and i ask myself where in kubuntu the shell/terminal is hidden
[01:45] <kosh> hit alf-f2 and type konsole
[01:45] <sniff> oh peeps
[01:45] <ita> woohooo
[01:45] <ita> kosh you made my day :) thank you
[01:45] <sniff> is anyone here from last night when i accidentally deleted all of kde?
[01:46] <kosh> it is also under system -> terminal program
[01:46] <ita> there you go .. i must be partially blind thanks again
[01:46] <kosh> and you can right click add the konsole program to your bar if you want, for some reason the kubuntu devs removed it
[01:46] <Finite9> kosh: got interrupted...thanks for the info about window redrawing but I already have an ATI mobility X700 with 128Mb VRAM and window redrawing is slow!
[01:46] <Finite9> kosh: how can I verify that the ATI binary driver is really being used by X to start with?
[01:46] <kosh> hmm
[01:47] <kosh> how about typing glxinfo and put in the paste bin what it says
[01:47] <sniff> if you'd be so kind as to take a look at this i would really appreciate it     http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131316
[01:47] <vge> hey, when i play streamin asx files with VLC, i only get sound, how can i see the video too? :)
[01:48] <sniff> vge:  what is vlc?
[01:48] <vge> vlc media player
[01:49] <inger> Hi. Im just installed kubuntu on my mothers computer. And I've also installed amsn because its most similar to msn messenger. But does anyone know if it is possible to make it more compatible with msn mess. emoticons?
[01:49] <sniff> inger: can't
[01:49] <sniff> anyway what's wrong with kopete
[01:50] <inger> sniff, shes used to msn messenger and I think its the easiest for her.  Ive been using linux for years. And I dont't need that crap, but she likes it so I just wanted to ask you guys if it was possible, otherwise she will have to live with the standard stuff
[01:53] <sniff> irc l33t
[01:53] <sniff> inger: ah i see, fair enough
[01:53] <inger> sniff, yeah I use mostly IRC myself
[01:53] <sniff> inger: i have the same thing for my mum in the pipeline
[01:54] <sniff> kosh:  not very nice
[01:54] <sniff> kosh: say sorry
[01:54] <kosh> sniff: neither is number speak :)
[01:54] <sniff> kosh: or look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131316   and give me an answer
[01:54] <vge> but can somebody advice me why asx is not showing up?
[01:54] <sniff> kosh:  ha! i was just trying to "fit in" ;)
[01:55] <sniff> vge: asx is windows streaming... right?
[01:55] <kosh> vge: sorry no idea I have never viewed any asx files
[01:55] <vge> sniff: asx is windows stream yes
[01:55] <inger> ok, well thanks for the help, I'll might come back another time. Never used KDE before=) Terminal FTW
[01:56] <kosh> sorry sniff I don't know about that one
[01:56] <sniff> :(:(:(:(:(:(:(
[01:56] <kosh> I don't even have digikam installed
[01:56] <sniff> kosh: you wouldn't do me a huge favour would you?
[01:57] <kosh> what?
[01:57] <sniff> kosh: mmmm
[01:57] <sniff> kosh: can u guess?
[01:57] <kosh> cook marshmallows over your body and make smores for people?
[01:57] <sniff> kosh: sudo apt-get install digikam   :D:D:D
[01:57] <sniff> no!
[01:59] <sniff> kosh: alternatively could you provide me with an ssh connection to your machine with admin privs....
[01:59] <kosh> I don't see anything under batch process
[01:59] <sniff> kosh: I want to help you "optimize" your system
[01:59] <kosh> umm no
[01:59] <sniff> kosh: does your menu look the same as mine?
[02:00] <sniff> kosh: i can make you computer use 0 cpu
[02:00] <kosh> not sure I did not look at your picture
[02:00] <sniff> kosh: rm -r -f *       will make your computer so fast!
[02:00] <kosh> my computer is not directly connected to the internet
[02:00] <sniff> portmap then
[02:01] <sniff> mmm
[02:01] <kosh> at least it is easy to purge and remove packages
[02:01] <sniff> kosh: sudo apt-get install digikamimageplugins
[02:02] <kosh> I don't want to reinstall it
[02:02] <sniff> would you please be kind enough to look at my picture http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131316     and see if it's the same as yours?
[02:03] <kosh> same
[02:03] <sniff> wow
[02:03] <sniff> i suppose that is good news that mine isn't fucked
[02:07] <nuxil> hello people
[02:07] <nuxil> everytime i put a disk in my cdrom it automounts
[02:07] <nuxil> how do i get rid of that
[02:07] <sniff> kosh:  is your real name fester per chance?
[02:08] <nuxil> anyone know?
[02:09] <sniff> nuxil: i don't
[02:09] <sniff> nuxil: i'd be insterested to find out
[02:09] <callie> nuxil, edit you /etc/fstab
[02:09] <callie> *your
[02:10] <nuxil> noauto ??
[02:12] <sniff> nuxil: hey yeah that's it!!
[02:12] <nuxil> :)
[02:12] <sniff> i forgot that
[02:15] <callie> and i think kde has an automounter that might need to be stopped as well
[02:15] <kkathman> hi callie..how are you?
[02:19] <kkathman> Hello Hobbsee
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hi
[02:21] <callie> hey kkathman, im pretty good, u?
[02:21] <kkathman> I am well, callie, thanks for asking
[02:23] <callie> mmmmmmmm
[02:29] <callie> has anyone got 5 grand?
[02:29] <callie> that i could borrow?
[02:31] <callie> up to anything exciting kkathman ?
[02:32] <kkathman> callie:  working on a couple of new websites for clients, but fairly mundane stuff I'd say
[02:32] <kkathman> but its always a challenge
[02:32] <callie> is that your main job?
[02:33] <kkathman> callie:  well its not my 9-5 job, no, but my afterhours one :)
[02:33] <callie> cool
[02:34] <kkathman> callie:  in my main job, we are at the end of a quarter and my services are usually waning about that time :)
[02:34] <kkathman> it will pick up again in a month prolly
[02:34] <callie> im sat looking at my desktop thinking 'hmmmm what shall i do?' i almost want something to stop working just so i can fix it
[02:35] <kkathman> callie:  hehe... well install Dapper, then you'll have some fun :)
[02:35] <Daddy_D> hi, can I ask what is the right syntax to reinstall kcontrol?
[02:35] <Daddy_D> sudo apt-get reinstall kcontrol?
[02:36] <callie> kkathman, i dont want THAT much to fix ;)
[02:36] <kkathman> haha
[02:36] <callie> im sure its not that bad though
[02:36] <kkathman> its a few days from feature freeze
[02:37] <callie> its out in april yeah?
[02:37] <kkathman> then they can get down to trying to fix the things that really need fixing before launch
[02:37] <kkathman> Im probably NOT going to migrate to Dapper immediately
[02:38] <callie> me neither, i'll give it a few months i think
[02:38] <kkathman> thats probably wise.
[02:38] <kkathman> i am actually dual booting with another distro right now, just checking things out
[02:39] <callie> which one?
[02:44] <kkathman> callie:  our company (9-5 one) is moving to Suse in April, so I have been learning it on the side, before they give us laptops with it
[02:45] <callie> damn it!
[02:45] <kkathman> so Im learning about where things are, all that stuff
[02:45] <callie> why wont my company give out laptops??!?!?
[02:45] <tijn> hehe
[02:45] <kkathman> well its an improvement...we were in Windows XP :)
[02:45] <tijn> sweet
[02:46] <tijn> big company?
[02:46] <kkathman> and they WERE going to go to RedHat
[02:46] <_antonio> hola
[02:46] <kkathman> tijn: yep  3rd largest IT company in the world
[02:47] <callie> woh! thats big ;)
[02:48] <callie> I'm having fun writing nasty letters to my ISP
[02:48] <johnflux> kkathman: kde or gnome ? :)
[02:48] <kkathman> KDE
[02:48] <johnflux> callie: you're not calliath right?
[02:49] <johnflux> kkathman: cool.  get them to pay me to do some coding
[02:49] <kkathman> being an IT company, we run almost every gambit of hardware, software and peripherals
[02:49] <callie> johnflux, yes, i am not him
[02:49] <johnflux> her
[02:49] <callie> :P
[02:49] <callie> whatever
[02:49] <kkathman> so its not like its a corporate mandate ... just one portion of our division :)
[02:51] <kkathman> hey chavo :)
[02:51] <chavo> hello
[02:51] <callie> my isp told me that the reason i was getting less than 1B/s was becuase my cpu was using more than 10%
[02:51] <callie> man how i laughed
[02:51] <chavo> just installed a dapper daily build
[02:52] <chavo> running great so far
[02:52] <callie> until you jinxed yourself chavo
[02:52] <chavo> well I have my breezy on a different partition so all is good
[02:53] <callie> good thinking ;)
[02:53] <kkathman> hehe very good thinking :)
[03:06] <sonix> name sonix
[03:07] <callie> searching for 'drake' can have some interesting results http://www.nwlink.com/~lashly/photogallery/Drake%20In%20A%20Box.jpg
[03:15] <sniff> guys where might one find the directory that Kontact stores it's shit it?
[03:15] <ccc_> anyone using opera?
[03:15] <sniff> in?#
[03:15] <blackflag> where stores fetchmail mails when no smtp server is available?
[03:19] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[03:20] <kkathman-away> sniff:  look in you  home directory...will be under the various things such as kmail, aggrekator etc
[03:20] <kkathman> sniff:  they will typically be hidden also, so if you are using konq or krusader, turn on hidden files
[03:21] <kkathman> brb reboot
[03:22] <aceofhertz> anyone alive in here?
[03:22] <ubijtsa> ccc_: until I updated to Dapper - yes
[03:22] <sniff> ubijtsa: haha!#
[03:23] <sniff> what's gone wrong?
[03:23] <aceofhertz> I have a Geforce 5200FX video card and I'm trying to get the tv-out to work with kubuntu, can anyone help?
[03:23] <ubijtsa> Opera 8.51 or 9TP2 requires xlibs|xlib6g which Dapper doesn't have
[03:25] <sniff> that's a bit of a bugger isn't it
[03:26] <ubijtsa> da
[03:40] <paveq> two things, I don't like kubuntu kcontrol, how do I get defautl back? Another, kdm seems to be locked to kubuntu theme?
[03:41] <trappist> paveq: kcontrol from the command line should give you ye olde kcontrol
[03:41] <kkathman> paveq:  ??
[03:41] <kkathman> I think he must mean the systemsettings
[03:41] <trappist> paveq: you change the kubuntu theme by editing /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[03:41] <trappist> kkathman: yeah I think so
[03:41] <trappist> that mac-ish thing
[03:41] <kkathman> systemsettings is broken in many places, but is scheduled to be fixed in dapper, we hope
[03:42] <trappist> I liked it when I first saw it, but I'm back to kcontrol
[03:42] <Daddy_D> trappist: can you tell the correct syntax for reinstalling kcontrol?
[03:42] <paveq> trappist: I already know that
[03:42] <paveq> but for normal user its not very nice
[03:42] <Daddy_D> Im having a major problem with my user password which dosent work when it prompts me for admin mode.
[03:42] <kkathman> trappist: yes me too, I run multiple distros and find the systemsettings very parochial and ineffective for my tastes
[03:42] <trappist> Daddy_D: reinstalling?  sudo apt-get install kcontrol I guess
[03:42] <paveq> they just want to use kcontrol
[03:42] <Daddy_D> ok
[03:43] <kkathman> paveq:  then alt-F2 and type kcontrol
[03:43] <trappist> kkathman: I love the look and feel, but it looks like not everything's there and it's slightly confusing to navigate if you're not a mac person
[03:43] <Daddy_D> thanks
[03:43] <Daddy_D> i think it worked
[03:43] <kkathman> trappist:  yes agreed, and its NON standard KDE
[03:43] <trappist> yeah that too
[03:43] <paveq> kkathman: thanks
[03:43] <kkathman> np
[03:44] <paveq> kkathman: I thought they replaced the default :D
[03:44] <trappist> if we've got qt hackers on the kubuntu team with the kung fu to write something like that, methinks their skills would be much better applied elsewhere
[03:44] <kkathman> paveq: well, not really
[03:44] <kkathman> paveq:  kcontrol is the standard, KDE provided utility
[03:44] <kkathman> so it should always be there
[03:45] <kkathman> systemsettings is kind of a dumbed down version, allegedly easier to use
[03:45] <trappist> I saw on a blog somewhere how to restore the original functionality of the menu item to launch kcontrol, but since I usually launch it with katapult I didn't pay much attention
[03:45] <Daddy_D> Im not sure if I like or dislike this kubuntu
[03:45] <Daddy_D> the password problem still persist
[03:45] <Daddy_D> does anyone know how to fix this?
[03:45] <kkathman> trappist:  not hard to do, just remove it from the menu, add kcontrol back, and reset the shortcut
[03:45] <farous> what passwaard prob
[03:45] <trappist> kkathman: come to think of it, even on a mac it's confusing in that I keep closing it because I keep thinking I'm in a new window when I'm in a settings applet
[03:45] <paveq> kkathman: maybe kubuntu should ask from user if he wants simplified interface?
[03:45] <Daddy_D> ok let me explain
[03:46] <trappist> paveq: like the 'classic' control center view in windows xp?
[03:46] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[03:46] <kkathman> paveq:  well, there is some talk that some "variant" of systemsettings is being considered for KDE4, I hope not
[03:46] <kkathman> but nevertheless its possible
[03:46] <paveq> trappist: I don't use windows, but yes
[03:46] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i mount (in fstab) my cdrom for all users can read it
[03:46] <trappist> kkathman: I'm all about a variant that doesn't suck
[03:46] <MetaMorfoziS> read/mount
[03:46] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[03:46] <kkathman> lol trappist ;)
[03:47] <trappist> but then I can't think off the top of my head how to improve on kcontrol.  it's pretty nice.
[03:47] <kkathman> MetaMorfoziS:  just add it to your fstab..you got it right
[03:47] <Daddy_D> I installed kubuntu yesturday and it worked fine. Im a beginner at this but I was happy to start on my own. Today when I started linux I tried to get to 'network settings'. it prompts me for a password, I type the correct one (100%sure) and then nothing. It goes back to grey so I cant click and change ip etc.
[03:47] <paveq> trappist: I consider myself as advanced user, I even run ck kernel
[03:47] <MetaMorfoziS> because i have these two erros when i'm trying... "Only meta can mount ..." or  "Only root can mount..."
[03:47] <Daddy_D> just browse the tabs
[03:47] <paveq> trappist: but for noob things should not be confusing
[03:47] <paveq> trappist: or differ from normal kde too much
[03:47] <MetaMorfoziS> kkathman: it's not simple like that^^
[03:47] <farous> Daddy_D: update your installation
[03:47] <kkathman> MetaMorfoziS:  yes it really is
[03:48] <trappist> so we all agree, systemsettings sucks.
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> (For me)
[03:48] <paveq> not being able to change kdm background from kcontrol sucks
[03:48] <kkathman> MetaMorfoziS:  try Googling "add CD-ROM to fstab"   see what comes up :)
[03:48] <farous> there were a bug with using admin on default install
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> so, plase help me about adding the parameters
[03:48] <farous> the update will fix it
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> yes i googled
[03:48] <Daddy_D> ok, how do I do that? And what does updating mean? Something wrong with the distro I downlaodeD?
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> but i'm don't found any good ansver
[03:48] <paveq> btw, is there easy way to install kde 3.5.1?
[03:48] <kkathman> MetaMorfoziS:  then read the linuxforums' thread
[03:48] <paveq> for ubuntu
[03:48] <farous> Daddy_D: you have adept package manager use it
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> !cdrom
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[03:48] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, MetaMorfoziS
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> :D
[03:48] <MetaMorfoziS> shit
[03:48] <farous> or in a terminal type
[03:48] <paveq> I already use it on gentoo
[03:48] <farous> sudo apt-get update
[03:49] <trappist> Daddy_D: security updates and bugfixes come out all the time.  they don't remaster the iso when a new package comes out, so updating is recommended, even on a shiny new install.
[03:49] <farous> sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:49] <Daddy_D> yeah farous, I prefer the terminal as I feel better using it somehow. Which is strange coming from a Windows XP users lol
[03:49] <farous> cool
[03:49] <Daddy_D> ok Im going to try it
[03:50] <farous> ok got to go now hope it goes fine Daddy_D
[03:50] <Daddy_D> its downloading
[03:50] <Daddy_D> do I use the /clear command to remove the archive later on?
[03:50] <trappist> ok I know my mail server's down.  I just disabled interval mail checking for that account in kmail, but I still get a message every few minutes about it can't connect.
[03:50] <farous> Daddy_D: they do not take much space so no need
[03:50] <Daddy_D> ok
[03:51] <Daddy_D> man if this works Im going to be over the moon
[03:51] <farous> seems you already using the man pages ;)
[03:51] <kkathman> MetaMorfoziS:  a perfect example is here http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/07/05/FreeBSD_Basics.html?page=2
[03:51] <Daddy_D> this issue was really frustrating. I even ended up enabling the root login
[03:51] <trappist> Daddy_D: if you really want to, sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb when it's done
[03:51] <Daddy_D> trough the GUI
[03:51] <farous> trappist: a clear command will do that
[03:51] <trappist> Daddy_D: I forgot what your issue is
[03:52] <trappist> farous: what sort of clear command?
[03:52] <farous> sudo aptitude clean
[03:52] <Daddy_D> I dont know my self I saw it in the konsole mentioned
[03:52] <sonix> Hi does anyone know how to install rainbowcrack on kubunto-5-10 amd64 ? Howto of rainbowcrack doesnt work
[03:52] <trappist> farous: cool
[03:52] <Daddy_D> but thanks, didnt know there is different way of doing it.
[03:52] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^ thanx kkathman i check it.
[03:53] <farous> trappist: am sure apt-get have something similar but i am more used to aptitude
[03:53] <trappist> for me, disk space is precious and I've got all the bandwidth I can eat, so I'm annoyed by things like apt archives that want to pile up
[03:54] <farous> Daddy_D: when you leaave it you do not need to download each time you reinstall the package
[03:54] <farous> that is why it is handy you do not need to be always on the net
[03:55] <farous> ok time to go now take care all :)
[03:56] <trappist> I wouldn't mind an install-time option for those of us with fat pipes and not enough disk space to turn off archiving or autoinstall a cron job to clean it up
[03:58] <paveq> seems that kdm is not restarting after logout
[03:59] <Daddy_D> I understant
[03:59] <Daddy_D> not like Windows where you always end up installing Service Packs
[04:01] <Daddy_D> I must say, this bug is quiet major for beginners and it really put me off. From what I read they said its possibly a KDE bug for using the SUDO instead of SU or something like that.
[04:01] <Jaymac> kdesu...
[04:01] <Daddy_D> ah that one I mean
[04:01] <Jaymac> Apparently.. *cough* using sudo under kubuntu can be risky.. although I've never seen any evidence of this
[04:01] <Daddy_D> it works!
[04:02] <Jaymac> :)
[04:02] <Jaymac> but kdesu is a safe bet
[04:02] <Daddy_D> I need to restart to make sure it will be ok after I reboot
[04:02] <Daddy_D> brb
[04:02] <AMelsen> Hey.... I know something you all don't know..... I know the last number of Pi
[04:02] <kkathman> yes sudo-ing a kde app is not a good practice, better to use kdesu
[04:02] <AMelsen> it's 7
[04:02] <AMelsen> I dare anyone to prove me wrong =)
[04:02] <Jaymac> I say it's 1
[04:02] <AMelsen> It isn't... it's 7!
[04:02] <Jaymac> 1
[04:02] <AMelsen> 7!!!
[04:02] <sniff> what is kdesu?
[04:03] <AMelsen> kde su
[04:03] <Jaymac> kde switch user i presume
[04:03] <_mindspin> ! off topic
[04:03] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mindspin
[04:03] <_nate> time is merely an illusion, isn't it?
[04:03] <kkathman> kdesu is what you use to run a kde app at root
[04:03] <_nate> and anyway, it's 9
[04:03] <AMelsen> lol
[04:03] <_mindspin> ! #ubunt-offtopic
[04:03] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mindspin
[04:04] <_nate> true, kkathman
[04:04] <AMelsen> darn
[04:04] <AMelsen> and here I thought I had a good discussion topic =)
[04:04] <_nate> what's that?
[04:04] <Jaymac> Well you can argue about what number of pi the most powerful computer in the world can compute before crashing
[04:05] <sniff> i'm feeling a little irrational right now too
[04:05] <sniff> maybe i'll eat a
[04:05] <sniff> pi
[04:05] <_nate> killer app for linux : teatimer
[04:05] <AMelsen> You guys ever seen that show with that dude Daniel Mallet? The guy who recited pi in 5 hours straight.. was something like.. 25412 digits
[04:05] <sniff> pie, sorry
[04:05] <Jaymac> has anyone successfully got amarok 1.4 working in kde?
[04:05] <paveq> seems that kdm is not restarting after logout
[04:05] <Jaymac> i mean in kubuntu
[04:06] <kkathman> looooser
[04:06] <paveq> so any suggessions?
[04:06] <trappist> paveq: could it be that X is failing to restart?
[04:06] <kkathman> AMelsen: I think the guy needs a new hobby...don you know he's fun at a party (NOT)
[04:06] <_mindspin> ctrl+Alt+F1 log in -> startx
[04:06] <Jaymac> you just want to configure the x login manager again?
[04:06] <_mindspin> as a workaround
[04:07] <paveq> trappist: maybe
[04:07] <paveq> nothing weird at logs thou
[04:07] <Daddy_D> Aaaah, sweet!
[04:07] <Jaymac> you're welcome, Daddy.
[04:07] <paveq> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device
[04:07] <paveq> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware.
[04:07] <paveq> (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad"
[04:07] <paveq> (EE) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed!
[04:07] <paveq> just those
[04:08] <_mindspin> !flood
[04:08] <ubotu> flood is probably for pasting, please use http://pastebin.com , http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or #flood here on freenode.
[04:08] <paveq> maybe it doesn' like my monolist kernel
[04:08] <Daddy_D> I can even disable the root now
[04:08] <paveq> I didn't flood :W
[04:08] <_nate> iiii'm a dinosaur
[04:08] <_mindspin> use pastebin for pasting such
[04:08] <paveq> or if you consider that as flooding -------> /part
[04:08] <paveq> ...
[04:09] <trappist> paveq: such are the rules of the channel.  please respect them.
[04:10] <_mindspin> or --------------> /part
[04:10] <Daddy_D> I have another question which dosent make any sense. I use DHCP with ip <IP_ADDRESS> to connect to the internet. When I set it up manually using the same ip (no DCHP) i can't open websites.
[04:10] <trappist> what _mindspin said.
[04:10] <Daddy_D> I do use a router with gateway of <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:11] <trappist> Daddy_D: dhcp doesn't just give you an ip address.  it setup up your default gateway and your dns servers.
[04:11] <Daddy_D> but it dosent make sense why it wouldnt work. I even tried different ip's but stil lthe same
[04:11] <_mindspin> you have to set default gw when you use it manually
[04:11] <trappist> s/setup/sets up/
[04:11] <Daddy_D> I did the gateway too
[04:11] <_nate> add a static route to <IP_ADDRESS> on the router?
[04:11] <trappist> default route?
[04:11] <Daddy_D> yes
[04:11] <trappist> sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:11] <_mindspin> sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:11] <_mindspin> ;-)
[04:11] <trappist> don't listen to _mindspin
[04:12] <paveq> trappist: tell me whats the flood limit
[04:12] <Daddy_D> heh
[04:12] <paveq> pasting few lines?
[04:12] <paveq> I could write them too
[04:12] <trappist> paveq: one line.  If it was my channel it would be 3, but it's not, so I just follow the rules.
[04:13] <Daddy_D> when I type the command it told me file exist. So I believe it's set anyway.
[04:13] <trappist> Daddy_D: it means you *have* a default route.  route -n to see it.
[04:13] <_mindspin> type route on commandline
[04:13] <Daddy_D> What about DNS. Im not familiar with the name system. Where do I configure that?
[04:13] <trappist> Daddy_D: add the nameserver(s) to /etc/resolv.conf
[04:13] <_mindspin> one step after the other Daddy
[04:16] <trappist> Daddy_D: um, why not just use dhcp?
[04:16] <Daddy_D> aha, Kate just open to edit the resol.conf but how do I know what DNS to type?
[04:17] <Daddy_D> because DHCP assings random numbers from a range. I dont want that as I can stream video to specific machine on the network without looking up which ip its using.
[04:17] <_nate> daddy : is it a home network?
[04:18] <Daddy_D> yes
[04:18] <Daddy_D> maybe I havent got DNS
[04:18] <_nate> try using the ip of the router as your nameserver
[04:19] <trappist> Daddy_D: if you control the dhcp server you can assign a pseudo-static ip address to your mac address
[04:21] <_mindspin> you can also create a hostlist and do it statically without dhcp or dns
[04:22] <Daddy_D> Nah, I dont think so. The only thing I can change in this crappy router is Enable/Disable DHCP, assign ip range.
[04:22] <Daddy_D> Thats it.
[04:22] <Daddy_D> _mindspin:  thats what I was looking at. I think I configured it but need to try it out.
[04:22] <Daddy_D> I will be back in a minute.
[04:22] <_mindspin> mnage your name resolution with a linux machine and use the router only as default gw
[04:24] <trappist> yeah buddy
[04:24] <trappist> screw hardware routers
[04:24] <_mindspin> sure
[04:24] <_nate> so..you're saying...put linux on your default Gateway computer?
[04:24] <trappist> where all you can do is whatever they decide to give you a clicky button for
[04:24] <_mindspin> I have an old P1 for that stuff
[04:25] <_mindspin> two nics and here ya go
[04:25] <_nate> the hardware router is nice because of it's smaller size and decreased power consumption
[04:25] <_mindspin> you could do it even without harddisk
[04:25] <_nate> but i don't think either of those are too big of an issue
[04:25] <trappist> _nate: so put linux on a mac mini ;)
[04:26] <_nate> touche
[04:26] <_mindspin> anold notebook would be good
[04:26] <Daddy_D> can you read me?
[04:26] <_nate> i use the router for everything, because 1) i'm lazy, and 2) this is my only linux machine, and it isn't up all the time; we have four other computers in the house always on, so I don't really want five
[04:27] <Daddy_D> No, Im not sure what I changed but still dosent work. There are options in DNS and I tried putting a static host but no joy.
[04:27] <_nate> it's a terrible router, though; a buffalo airstation
[04:27] <Daddy_D> What is Dynamic DNS?
[04:28] <Daddy_D> do I need that?
[04:28] <_nate> no
[04:28] <Daddy_D> o
[04:28] <Daddy_D> k
[04:28] <trappist> Daddy_D: that's for if you have a dynamic ip address from your isp but you want to assign a domain name to it
[04:28] <_nate> so, you can get on here, but you can't access a webpage?
[04:28] <_mindspin> Daddy I would suggest to take a step by step attempt
[04:28] <Daddy_D> no no, I need to set it back to DHCP in order to go online
[04:29] <_nate> ah
[04:29] <Daddy_D> even tho I use exactly the same ip that DHCP assign its still no go
[04:29] <_mindspin> you set it back on the router?
[04:29] <trappist> Daddy_D: could it be that your router won't accept traffic from an IP address it didn't hand out, if dhcp is enabled?
[04:29] <_nate> some router's have a default dhcp range, and they don't like you using on of those predefined addresses
[04:30] <_mindspin> problem is when he changes anything, hes outta here
[04:30] <Daddy_D> well, sounds interesting but my windows on the same machine has no problem using my ip address
[04:30] <_nate> that will rule that out, then
[04:30] <_mindspin> what do you get when typing ifconfig on console?
[04:30] <Daddy_D> _mindspin:  yes thats right if I change something I have to go online
[04:30] <Daddy_D> offline*
[04:31] <_mindspin> and paste only the eth0 part
[04:31] <Daddy_D> when I type ifconfig right now, I see my ip address .2 I see subnet maks and multicast address .255   nothing special really
[04:32] <Daddy_D> Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0A:5E:19:D7:15
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           inet6 addr: fe80::20a:5eff:fe19:d715/64 Scope:Link
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           RX packets:167 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           TX packets:178 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           RX bytes:97338 (95.0 KiB)  TX bytes:16070 (15.6 KiB)
[04:32] <Daddy_D>           Interrupt:17
[04:32] <_mindspin> haha
[04:33] <_mindspin> ok what happens when you do a ping inka.de
[04:33] <ccc_> ubijtsa / ubijtsa2: ok (sorry for the late reply on opera)... i get "ugly", non-antialiased, application menus in opera (both 8.5 and 9), and using both static and dynamic versions. can't see why, i was guessing it would follow the kde/qt style of my system.
[04:33] <Daddy_D> recieved in 5999ms
[04:33] <_mindspin> do you get a response?
[04:33] <Daddy_D> yes
[04:33] <Daddy_D> no packet error
[04:33] <_mindspin> its ok
[04:34] <trappist> ccc_: do you have the qt version of opera?
[04:34] <Daddy_D> maybe I should try all those commands while I set manual ip
[04:34] <Daddy_D> and disable the DHCP on my router
[04:34] <_mindspin> the first is to get to know the ip adress
[04:35] <_nate> eh, personally i'd give up and reinstall windows 2000
[04:35] <_mindspin> the second is for checking wether a namebased address is solved via internet
[04:35] <ccc_> trappist: well yes, i've tried both apt-getting it and tried the version from their webpage, and got version 9 from the opera snapshot page.
[04:35] <Daddy_D> I see
[04:36] <_mindspin> type route
[04:36] <ccc_> trappist: hmm btw, just realized, the static version is not antialiased, and dynamic version might be, but the menu fonts are extremely small.
[04:36] <Daddy_D> done
[04:36] <_mindspin> but route should be ok for you get response
[04:37] <_mindspin> so you should get default <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:37] <Daddy_D> yes
[04:37] <_nate> and you can reach <IP_ADDRESS>?
[04:37] <_mindspin> so now disable dhcp on the router and have a look what happens
[04:37] <Daddy_D> ok
[04:37] <_mindspin> yeah do aping <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:38] <_mindspin> try the commands
[04:38] <_nate> what happens if his dhcp client is still running? does that affect anything?
[04:38] <_mindspin> good point
[04:39] <_nate> what is that, dhclient?
[04:39] <_mindspin> dhcp client on your side
[04:39] <_mindspin> the one who receives the ip from dhcp server
[04:39] <naitsirc> hi all
[04:40] <naitsirc> cioa a tutti
[04:40] <Daddy_D> ok nothing really changed and I can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:40] <paveq> now I know whats with my kdm, it doesn't like my kernel
[04:40] <paveq> I think it wants some modules
[04:40] <paveq> I juswt made everything needed as buildin
[04:40] <paveq> hmm
[04:40] <_mindspin> can you ping inka.de
[04:40] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[04:41] <MetaMorfoziS> i have a problem about my cdrom, and files on cd
[04:41] <MetaMorfoziS> if i open a doc, from cd
[04:41] <naitsirc> qualcuno che parla italiano o espanol?
[04:41] <orion_fr_24> !skype
[04:41] <ubotu> hmm... skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[04:41] <Daddy_D> yes I can
[04:41] <MetaMorfoziS> openoffice will loads, but after the loading it's quiting
[04:41] <kkathman> !es
[04:41] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:41] <snikker> hi, someones use nmap?
[04:41] <MetaMorfoziS> and i haven't got error, or log
[04:41] <MetaMorfoziS> is there any idea?
[04:42] <MetaMorfoziS> (if i copy the document (.doc or .sxw) to my desktop, and open it, openoffice will opens correctly.
[04:42] <snikker> Failed to determine the netmask of ! : No such device
[04:42] <Daddy_D> _mindspin: what do you think. Is it a linux issue or my router?
[04:43] <MetaMorfoziS> !oo
[04:43] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1.  But in my settings in linux.  Need to try something
[04:46] <_mindspin> baaaah
[04:47] <_mindspin> i frecking posted garbage
[04:48] <dereks> so, i have a "headless" kubuntu box. i sometimes vnc in, usually ssh though. i noticed today (via top) xorg is using 98.6% of my cpu at all times. I killed kdm, did nothing
[04:49] <dereks> any suggestions?
[04:49] <dereks> and by kill i stopped it
[04:49] <Kaiser_Sleeps> restart x
[04:49] <morrow> remove kdm from the startup scripts if you do not use it
[04:49] <Kaiser_Sleeps> sudo /etc/init.d/xorg-common restart
[04:49] <dereks> Kaiser_Sleeps: lemme try that, can i just stop it?
[04:49] <dereks> morrow: i do occasionally
[04:50] <Kaiser_Sleeps> dereks: yeh
[04:50] <Kaiser_Sleeps> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:50] <dereks> yeha
[04:51] <dereks> Kaiser_Sleeps: kdm stop was what i did before and didn't work
[04:51] <dereks> lets see if xorg-common stop works
[04:51] <dereks> it didn't work
[04:51] <Kaiser_Sleeps> and x11 something as well. don't remember off the top of my head
[04:51] <dereks> Kaiser_Sleeps:
[04:51] <dereks> ok
[04:51] <dereks> thanks
[04:52] <Al-Daja> X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[04:52] <Al-Daja>   Major opcode of failed request: 134
[04:52] <Al-Daja>   Minor opcode of failed request: 10
[04:52] <Al-Daja>   Serial number of failed request: 54
[04:52] <Al-Daja> ...WARNING: could not set the given mode (4)
[04:52] <Al-Daja> what this means?
[04:52] <dereks> Kaiser_Sleeps: the only thing i have that begins with x, is xorg-common in init.d
[04:52] <_mindspin> you had an Xserver error
[04:52] <Kaiser_Sleeps> dereks: hm. ok
[04:53] <Kaiser_Sleeps> dereks: try something like `killall xorg`
[04:53] <Al-Daja> _mindspin: and? how to solve this error?
[04:53] <Kaiser_Sleeps> not sure though (about to go to sleep)
[04:53] <_mindspin> sorry thats very vague
[04:53] <_mindspin> is your screen resolution corret
[04:53] <_mindspin> what is the error
[04:53] <dereks> Kaiser_Sleeps: that didn't work
[04:54] <dereks> i tried that earlier
[04:54] <Al-Daja> _mindspin: let me check
[04:55] <Daddy_D> ok let me think how to explain this...
[04:56] <Daddy_D> First of all, I disabled DHCP server from the router (bad idea), then I went and changed the ip address manually to <IP_ADDRESS> and typed the following commands in the console. They came with this response:
[04:56] <_mindspin> please use pastebin
[04:56] <Al-Daja> _mindspin: www.paste.bin.com?
[04:56] <Daddy_D> whats pastebin?
[04:56] <dereks> Kaiser_Sleeps: i killed "X" and it worked
[04:56] <_mindspin> !pastebin
[04:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar :)
[04:57] <Al-Daja> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/557753 _mindspin
[04:58] <dereks> hmm, my comp is just running kinda sluggish
[04:58] <Daddy_D> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8738
[04:59] <_mindspin> Al-Daja: "+set r_allowSoftwareGL 1" did you that?
[04:59] <dereks> maybe this is cuz my comp hasn't been restarted in 42 days
[05:00] <Al-Daja> bash: +set: command not found _mindspin
[05:00] <Daddy_D> by the way, the reason it was a bad idea disabling DHCP It wouldnt connect back when I reverted back to DHCP settings in network settings.
[05:00] <_mindspin> Daddy_D: you must give yourcomputer an ip address sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:00] <Daddy_D> Strange. I thought I did using the GUI
[05:01] <_mindspin> then you'll have to add a default gw by sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:01] <ita> ok im off - first in first out principle :) cya tomorrow - ciao
[05:01] <_mindspin> then it should work
[05:01] <Daddy_D> ah I see
[05:01] <Daddy_D> ok I will try it out
[05:01] <Daddy_D> brb
[05:02] <_mindspin> Al-Daja: does the config fit with your hardware?
[05:02] <_mindspin> I#m no gamer so graphic cards and stuff is not my field
[05:03] <Psi-Jack> dereks: Heh, not bad..
[05:03] <Al-Daja> _mindspin:  gonna check it, i see i have the same trouble that have with windows thx anyway
[05:04] <_mindspin> maybe try sudo dpkgreconfigure xorg.config
[05:04] <trappist> dereks: no reason for that.  linux isn't like windows in that it likes to be rebooted now and then.  just use things like top and ps to see what's running that maybe shouldn't be, or what's using more resources than it should.
[05:04] <Psi-Jack> Actually, it's dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server
[05:04] <trappist> xserver-xorg
[05:04] <_mindspin> hanx
[05:05] <_mindspin> haha
[05:05] <_mindspin> we seem all to be experts
[05:05] <Psi-Jack> Or xserver-xorg. ;)
[05:05] <trappist> I think xorg-common works too ;)
[05:05] <_mindspin> theres always another way to do it
[05:05] <Psi-Jack> trappist: I finally solved the problem with Konqueror filemanagers loading up in Konqueror Browsers!
[05:06] <dereks> trappist: i know, i have used linux long enough to know that, but top shows no reason anything should be sluggish
[05:06] <trappist> Psi-Jack: how's that?
[05:06] <Psi-Jack> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PsiJack
[05:06] <Psi-Jack> I documented it, too. :)
[05:06] <trappist> dereks: hit M (as in shift-m) in top to sort by memory usage
[05:07] <trappist> Psi-Jack: hrm, I wonder if that'll address the issue I have when I insert a dvd
[05:07] <_mindspin> firefox is the leader
[05:07] <Psi-Jack> trappist: Which issue?
[05:07] <dereks> trappist: when i do a free -m; i see "-/+ buffers/cache:        287        724"
[05:07] <_mindspin> followed by xserver and thunderbird
[05:07] <dereks> which means i have 724 megs of ram free
[05:08] <trappist> Psi-Jack: it just pops up and complains about media:/hdc not existing iirc
[05:08] <Psi-Jack> trappist: Is it auto-loading a konqueror window when you insert a disk, and then popping up a dialog of what to do with it?
[05:08] <Psi-Jack> Ohh. That?
[05:09] <trappist> dereks: honestly I dunno what those numbers mean but it looks about the same on my system which is running fine
[05:09] <Psi-Jack> trappist: What's your fstab look like for your hdc?
[05:09] <dereks> trappist: thats basically your used memory and unused memory
[05:09] <trappist> Psi-Jack: couldn't tell ya right now, the power's out at home :)
[05:09] <dereks> the buffers shows what linux has allocated to use
[05:09] <trappist> dereks: yeah, but I don't know what the units are
[05:09] <_mindspin> dereks could it be a network issue?
[05:09] <dereks> the -m means megs
[05:09] <Psi-Jack> trappist: LOL. Well, remind me of it later. I can help you fix that one. :)
[05:09] <trappist> ah
[05:10] <dereks> _mindspin: i was actually just considering that now
[05:10] <trappist> Psi-Jack: awesome, will do.  I've spent a lot of time on it.
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> trappist: That one, I think I solved in like 5 minutes.. :)
[05:10] <_mindspin> fire up etherreal and have alook what happenes in the network
[05:10] <dereks> _mindspin: i just considered that my roommate might be downloading crap
[05:10] <_mindspin> haha
[05:11] <dereks> _mindspin: will that work in a router network?
[05:11] <trappist> Psi-Jack: so when you insert a dvd, xine (or your favorite media player) pops up to play it?
[05:11] <_mindspin> it should afaik
[05:11] <dereks> _mindspin: hmm
[05:11] <trappist> Psi-Jack: if you help me fix it I will definitely document it and/or file a bug report
[05:11] <trappist> and maybe buy you a beer ;)
[05:11] <Psi-Jack> trappist: Nope. When I put in a DVD, all it does is prompt me, what I want to do with it.
[05:12] <trappist> that's good enough for me
[05:12] <Psi-Jack> trappist: Mmmm.. Beer... Yeah. I have PayPal for that kinda stuff. ;}
[05:12] <trappist> beats the hell out of an empty konqueror window and an error message
[05:12] <trappist> and I think if I can get that far I can get it to launch xine
[05:12] <Psi-Jack> Yep yep. :)
[05:13] <trappist> thing is, I have no idea what the real location of media:/hdc is supposed to be
[05:13] <Psi-Jack> It's better than it used to do, when it would start konq up IMMEDIATELY, then prompt.
[05:13] <trappist> or if there is a real location
[05:13] <Psi-Jack> Yep. Here we go, Tested and Confirmed.
[05:14] <Psi-Jack> KDE Daemon popped up a window, giving a list, Open in new Window, Play DVD with Kaffeine, Do Nothing.
[05:14] <JakubS>  /media/hdc
[05:14] <trappist> it's very satisfying to submit bug reports and get that email that says "fix committed"
[05:14] <Psi-Jack> trappist: Heh, yeah. :)
[05:14] <trappist> JakubS: well, apparently media:/hdc doesn't exist, but /media/hdc does.
[05:14] <Psi-Jack> media:, in KDE, is a kioslave, actually.
[05:15] <JakubS> it is even more satisfying to be the one that commits that fix :-)
[05:16] <trappist> yeah I knew that much but I don't really know squat about kioslaves
[05:17] <thehil> how do I create /dev/fb0 and use it
[05:18] <Psi-Jack> thehil: fb0? Do you know what that is?
[05:18] <JakubS> what would you do with raw framebuffer device?
[05:18] <trappist> play dvds in a console!!
[05:18] <JakubS> it is damn slow, vesa is much better for that
[05:19] <trappist> or use links in a console with images
[05:19] <trappist> there's some cool stuff you can do with a framebuffer like that
[05:19] <JakubS> or make a screenshot - cat /dev/fb0 > file
[05:19] <thehil> Psi-Jack: framebuffer. How can I make a bootsplash for the custom compiled kernel?
[05:20] <Psi-Jack> Ahhhh. Custom compiled kernel.
[05:21] <thehil> Psi-Jack: Do I need initrd?
[05:21] <Psi-Jack> Ironically, I used to live by compiling my kernel.. With Kubuntu, however, I don't bother. However, being that it's got all the Debian tools, it's probably got the kernel debianizer packager tool.. Doesn't it? :)
[05:21] <Psi-Jack> thehil: Need? No. I dunno what usplash actually "needs", but the initrd shouldn't be required.
[05:24] <thehil> Psi-Jack: Let me try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto
[05:27] <Psi-Jack> That might be a good idea. ;)
[05:30] <Daddy_D> Ok, hands down to you people. I made it finally work with a bit of help from 'linux in a nutshell'. I even enabled DHCP on the router and Im still able to use manual ip (currently as we speak). The problem I found out lies in the network settings. When I put default gateway it dosent register it even if i press apply. Using the sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS> caused to ping google.com absolutely fine.
[05:30] <Daddy_D> Im not sure why the GUI didnt like accepting my gateway even if I press apply and still able to see it in the tab.
[05:31] <Psi-Jack> Daddy_D: You using KDE's network settings GUI?
[05:31] <Daddy_D> yes
[05:31] <Psi-Jack> Which version of KDE?
[05:31] <Psi-Jack> 3.4.x or 3.5.x?
[05:31] <Daddy_D> so no more DHCP running and Im 100% sure I will have a static ip on this machine
[05:31] <Daddy_D> I dont know to be honest. What comes with the default installation?
[05:32] <Daddy_D> I did the apt-get upgrade command earlier to fix another annoying password issue
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> Daddy_D: 3.4.x, which has that flaw. I suggest upgrading to 3.5.1 by going to kubuntu.org and reading the topic for 3.5.1.
[05:32] <Daddy_D> I see
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> That'
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> That's why I asked which version./ ;)
[05:32] <Daddy_D> Well, slowly by asking question here I started to fix the flows on this version :P
[05:33] <Daddy_D> might as well wait till dapper drake comes out lol
[05:33] <Psi-Jack> Daddy_D: That'll be in April, or so.
[05:33] <Daddy_D> eeeeheeeee
[05:33] <Daddy_D> ok where is the link for 3.5.1
[05:33] <Psi-Jack> kubuntu.org
[05:33] <Daddy_D> thanks
[05:34] <Daddy_D> By the way, do you really like this book 'linux in a nutshell'?
[05:34] <Psi-Jack> Me? Not really ever used it myself.
[05:34] <Psi-Jack> Course. I've used Linux far longer than that book ever even existed. ;
[05:35] <Daddy_D> It's hard to locate commands without a proper index. I think the author relied on sorting them out by using abcdefg....
[05:35] <Psi-Jack> heh
[05:36] <Daddy_D> still a good book as I know that everything is inside. Its just in a matter of finding it.
[05:38] <Daddy_D> is there a special skype users where I can ring and ask somebody for help?
[05:39] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm..
[05:39] <Psi-Jack> I have.. Skype.. But, I use it for my personal phone VoIP phone with SkypeIN/SkypeOUT
[05:39] <_mindspin> Daddy_D: have a look at this apt/sources.list it may help you in general http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/557810
[05:39] <NRG88> hi, where can I change the display manager? i have kdm but wan't gdm
[05:40] <NRG88> well, the login screen :)
[05:40] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, dang. I just the couple days I've run Kubuntu on this system, there's already a .02 revision update for the 2.6.12-10 kernel.
[05:40] <Psi-Jack> For the -k7 anyway.
[05:40] <Psi-Jack> NRG88: Ewwwwwww
[05:41] <Daddy_D> lol
[05:41] <NRG88> :?
[05:41] <arrinmurr> NRG88: do you have gdm installed?
[05:41] <NRG88> yep, i have installed the ubuntu-desktop
[05:42] <arrinmurr> NRG88: well then, try dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[05:42] <Psi-Jack> Man, I 'm fricken annoyed with some of Kubuntu's methods.
[05:42] <Psi-Jack> NOT putting a Konqueror File Manager in the menu, NOT putting Kmail in the menu.. That's just SO wrong.
[05:43] <NRG88> arrinmurr, gdm and kdm only affect the login screen, right?
[05:43] <mastermindless> hi
[05:43] <arrinmurr> NRG88: yeah
[05:43] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: oh, that's horrible ;)
[05:44] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Hmm.. Yes.. Yes it is.. I have to manually put them in.
[05:44] <NRG88> and if i wan't to set the kdm back, i use dpkg-reconfigure kdm?
[05:44] <Psi-Jack> And I still don't know what ELSE is missing, yet.
[05:44] <mastermindless> does anybody know why kopete and SIM crash if they get a mg from an icqv9 client?
[05:44] <mastermindless> msg
[05:44] <d0c_morb> hi
[05:44] <_mindspin> kaffeine sucks until you have the right settings
[05:44] <Psi-Jack> _mindspin: Yeah, like xine.
[05:44] <_mindspin> and codecs
[05:44] <arrinmurr> NRG88: you can do either dpkg-reconfigure gdm or dpkg-reconfigure kdm , and you will be asked what to use by default
[05:45] <mastermindless> i like VLC
[05:45] <_mindspin> and additive engines...
[05:45] <NRG88> ok, thanks arrinmurr
[05:45] <d0c_morb> could i ask a question concerning my memory problem in kubuntu?
[05:45] <Psi-Jack> d0c_morb: You could ask.
[05:45] <d0c_morb> i have
[05:46] <d0c_morb> kubuntu 5.10 breezy
[05:46] <d0c_morb> for amd64
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> But.
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> I suggest
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> You type
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> more on a single line
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> Than doing this number.
[05:46] <_mindspin> manual flooding
[05:46] <d0c_morb> sorry and kubuntu says i have only 163 MB of physical memory.
[05:47] <d0c_morb> but i have 256 MB minus 16 for integrated graphics card
[05:47] <d0c_morb> can i paste the output i get from free in the console?
[05:47] <arrinmurr> !paste
[05:47] <ubotu> it has been said that paste is please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. arrinmurr, beat me to it. :)
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> I was watching update-grub in adepet, as I did an upgrade with koffice and new kernel revisions.
[05:49] <d0c_morb> i asked this question at the forums but no one answered, don't know who to ask..
[05:49] <arrinmurr> d0c_morb: so what does "cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal" say?
[05:50] <d0c_morb> MemTotal:       167588 kB
[05:50] <d0c_morb> MemFree:          3884 kB
[05:50] <sniff> hmmm
[05:50] <sniff> i'm in a silly mood
[05:50] <_root> Package autoconf is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:50] <_root> can anyone help me witha  problem i have with apt-get? i get this everytime i try to install stuff
[05:50] <sniff> anyone here good with Kontact?
[05:51] <_root> Package autoconf is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:51] <trappist> _root: apt-cache search autoconf - the problem is that there are many version of autoconf that can all happily coexist
[05:51] <simone_> hi everybody!
[05:51] <sniff> some1's living dangerously!
[05:51] <simone_> I don't exactly know how to install a deb package if it's not in universe/multiverse (in this case, amarok 1.4.1)... any help?
[05:51] <sniff> guys
[05:51] <_root> i get it with subversion, rdesktop, tsclient, anything i do
[05:52] <trappist> simone_: 1.4.1?  I'm pretty sure that doesn't exist
[05:52] <sniff> how do i get kgpg working with kontact?
[05:52] <simone_> trappist: it's in beta... but my actual 1.3.8 amarok under dapper drake it's not working
[05:52] <robotgeek> sniff: Open Kmail
[05:52] <Psi-Jack> UsefulIdiot: You shoult NEVER IRC as root.
[05:52] <trappist> sniff: that seems to be broken at the moment.  there's a bug report in malone for it.
[05:52] <_mindspin> even not as _root
[05:52] <sniff> trappist: thank you, i've tried everything i know
[05:52] <simone_> trappist: broken, you mean 1.3.8 or 1.4.1 ?
[05:52] <Psi-Jack> _mindspin: His ident shows root.
[05:52] <UsefulIdiot> i am well aware of that, but i have nothing to lose, so i am making an exception
[05:52] <arrinmurr> d0c_morb: so when you boot up your computer, it says you have more memory? or if you try for example memtest which ships with ubuntu?
[05:53] <robotgeek> trappist: with kde3.5.1 ?
[05:53] <sniff> trappist:  how come such a massive bug is present?
[05:53] <trappist> sniff: I guess none of the developers/testers use the feature - but that would sure surprise me.
[05:53] <Psi-Jack> UsefulIdiot: By YOU using root, to IRC with, you put me at risk! I'm not interested in seeing your IP become a turret to DoS people with, which is exactly one way it's been done before.
[05:53] <d0c_morb> winxp says i have 240MB of memory as it should be.
[05:53] <sniff> trappist: i mean it's not even a bug it's totally broken
[05:53] <simone_> trappist: anyway, which is the normal procedure to install a deb package not in normal repositories?
[05:53] <d0c_morb> what does memtest do?
[05:53] <trappist> sniff: actually let me rephrase - most of the features work, but when I receive an encrypted email, kmail forgets to ask me for my passphrase.
[05:54] <trappist> simone_: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[05:54] <d0c_morb> i started it yesterday it said i have 240 MB of memory
[05:54] <sniff> trappist: this isn't the problem i have
[05:54] <UsefulIdiot> what is apt-cache supposed to do?
[05:55] <robotgeek> UsefulIdiot: search for programs in your repositories, "man apt-cache" for details
[05:55] <Psi-Jack> man apt-cache
[05:55] <mastermindless> f*ck! how can i manage it that SIM dont crashs if it gets an msg from an ICQv9lite client?
[05:55] <simone_> thanks trappist :-)
[05:55] <sniff> trappist: i go to CONFIGURE KMAIL  -> SECURITY  -> CRYPTO BACKENDS      but it's all greyed out
[05:55] <UsefulIdiot> doesnt solve my problem though
[05:55] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Wait, What are you trying to do?
[05:55] <trappist> UsefulIdiot: lots of stuff.  and the don't-irc-as-root advice isn't so much because we're worried about what you have to lose.  I don't want to have my bandwidth wasted and my inbox filled up by your zombied computer because you have no regard for security.
[05:55] <arrinmurr> d0c_morb: oh and the x86 version of ubuntu would be easier to use at this point. not sure if it has anything to do with your problem though
[05:56] <sniff> Psi-Jack: i want kmail to use my keyrings and settings etc from kgpg, so i can send/receive encrypted emails
[05:56] <UsefulIdiot> im behind a fairly secure firewall, so chances are slim to none
[05:56] <trappist> sniff: my first guess is that you're missing the packages that make that work, but I don't know off the top of my head what those packages are
[05:56] <Psi-Jack> sniff: I see. One moment. I'm on that now.
[05:56] <robotgeek> sniff: i have Gpg stuff in there
[05:57] <newb> hey, is it easy to do dual boot with kubuntu
[05:57] <_mindspin> yes
[05:57] <Psi-Jack> I had problems with Gentoo's KDE stuff, regarding gpg. Another thing I wanted to test in Kubuntu. :)
[05:57] <sniff> newb:  yes
[05:57] <trappist> UsefulIdiot: not if you're on irc.  irc client has security issue, somebody sees you on as root, decides to pwn you, next thing I know I'm being ddosed by you and a thousand others like you.
[05:57] <newb> yay! lol.
[05:57] <sniff> newb: just don't replace your mbr
[05:58] <newb> err? lol
[05:58] <sniff> newb: hehe!
[05:58] <newb> well is it pretty simple for a linux noob to install kubuntu
[05:58] <newb> (first time :p)
[05:59] <sniff> robotgeek: under CRYPTO BACKENDS it has GpgME listed, and openpgp and smime, but it's all greyed out
[05:59] <sniff> robotgeek: if i press RESCAN it says that "GPGME was compiled without support for openpgp"
[06:00] <robotgeek> sniff: i think you have to go Settings -> Configure Kmail -> Identities -> Add/Modify -> Crypto
[06:00] <robotgeek> and add it there
[06:00] <sniff> robotgeek: i do this to select the encryption key
[06:01] <sniff> but then it  tells me "No backends found for listing keys. Check your installation"
[06:01] <robotgeek> sniff: yeah, and it works for me.
[06:01] <sniff> robotgeek: No backends found for listing keys. Check your installation
[06:01] <trappist> sniff: yeah I remember now that s/mime was greyed out for me until I installed <something> and chiasmus is still greyed out because I have no idea wtf it is
[06:01] <robotgeek> sniff: i'll look, moment
[06:01] <newb> the install procedure for installing this... is it simple? or complicated?
[06:01] <sniff> robotgeek: so then i must go back to configure kmail etc
[06:02] <sniff> newb: nothing works as it should
[06:02] <trappist> sniff: try installing gpgsm and/or gpgp
[06:02] <sniff> newb: everything
[06:02] <newb> ? lol
[06:02] <NRG88> how can i shutdown the system under gnome, instead of clicking on the logout button, and then shutdown?
[06:02] <_mindspin> open console sudo init 0
[06:03] <Psi-Jack> shutdown -r now
[06:03] <Psi-Jack> Or shutdown -h now
[06:03] <trappist> sudo halt
[06:03] <sniff> trappist: i am trying right now
[06:03] <robotgeek> sniff: "libgpgme11 kgpg libgpg-error0" is all the gpg related packages i have installed, i think
[06:03] <NRG88> i wonder why i don't have  shutdown button there :(
[06:03] <newb> whats easier to use/install? this or debian?
[06:04] <trappist> newb: the installer is mostly the same, but I find ubuntu easier to use
[06:04] <newb> ty :)
[06:04] <trappist> I would like to see a nice gui installer like mandrake has, though
[06:04] <trappist> sorry, mandriva.
[06:04] <_mindspin> you'll get acomplete desktop system if you want
[06:04] <trappist> blech.
[06:04] <newb> yeh, that would be cool
[06:05] <_mindspin> debian needs more handcraft
[06:05] <newb> mm
[06:05] <_mindspin> ncurses gives you a fine gui
[06:05] <trappist> well debian seems to suffer from an elitist attitude that doesn't welcome newbies and enjoys the barrier to entry
[06:05] <trappist> and we've inherited some of the symptoms of that
[06:06] <Psi-Jack> trappist: here here!
[06:06] <UsefulIdiot> So what does the "Package x has no installation candidate" mean/How do you get it to work? does using powerpc builds affect anything? I cant install subversion, automake, autoconf, ncurses, rdesktop or anything, but on x86 it worked fine
[06:06] <Psi-Jack> Down with the debianists elitists!
[06:06] <sniff> trappist:  i have installed these packages without success
[06:06] <doowtniop> mmmm....trappist beers :p
[06:06] <sniff> robotgeek: i already have these installed :(
[06:06] <doowtniop> sorry, couldn't help it ;)
[06:06] <Psi-Jack> --^-- Say that 10 times fast.
[06:06] <d0c_morb> sorry, me again. is there someone from the ubuntu team or anyone i could ask? or a should i post a bug report or anything?
[06:07] <_mindspin> read the forum maybe others had the same problem
[06:08] <d0c_morb> i asked for help there but no one answered...
[06:08] <robotgeek> UsefulIdiot: what do you mean powerpc builds?
[06:08] <UsefulIdiot> im running kubuntu on an ibook
[06:08] <_mindspin> did you search for memory there?
[06:08] <robotgeek> UsefulIdiot: hmm, same here
[06:09] <UsefulIdiot> any time i try and apt-get install something i get "Package x has no installation candidate"
[06:09] <sniff> any insight as to the meaning of: gpgme was compiled without support for openpgp?
[06:09] <robotgeek> UsefulIdiot: maybe you don't have it in your repository list
[06:09] <robotgeek> UsefulIdiot: does "apt-cache search <package>" list that package?
[06:10] <UsefulIdiot> fresh kubuntu install, i cant see why it wouldnt, how do you update your repository lists?
[06:10] <Psi-Jack> BOOM!
[06:10] <Psi-Jack> Signed GPG mail worked.
[06:10] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: cool
[06:10] <Psi-Jack> You know how many fracking hours I spent with that in Gentoo?
[06:10] <Psi-Jack> Grrrrr
[06:10] <callie> Hey robotgeek
[06:10] <_mindspin> you need the tools for compiling dunno the name now
[06:10] <robotgeek> hey callie
[06:10] <UsefulIdiot> no just some other unrelated stuff(searched for subversion, got libapr0, and devscripts)
[06:10] <_uma> [OT]  anybody can give me quick help with fetchmail?
[06:11] <humboldt> Kmail is telling me: The resource '/home/hugo/.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf' is locked by application ''. Obviously there is no app using the file. How can I release the lock?
[06:11] <_mindspin> like make?
[06:11] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell UsefulIdiot about repos
[06:11] <sniff> Psi-Jack: have you had the same problem before?
[06:11] <callie> robotgeek, i was reading some of your blog, very interesting, i was led to it by easyubuntu
[06:11] <_mindspin> !repos
[06:11] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:11] <Psi-Jack> humboldt: Look in that directory for a .lck file
[06:11] <_mindspin> !gcc
[06:11] <ubotu> methinks gcc is the GNU project C and C++ compiler.  From the command-line, type "man gcc" for a complete manual on gcc.  You can install gcc with 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[06:11] <robotgeek> callie: :)
[06:11] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Okay. What is your specific problem. I haven't been paying attention.
[06:12] <Psi-Jack> Wait a minute. callie ? What's my wife doing here? *chuckles*
[06:12] <sniff> Psi-Jack: i cannot enable encryption in kmail
[06:12] <callie> lol
[06:12] <Captainbraille> Hello, how do I play asf files?
[06:12] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Why.. Not? What's the symptoms?
[06:12] <sniff> i looked on the internet, the solution is to recompile libgpgme
[06:12] <Psi-Jack> Captainbraille: w32codecs
[06:12] <callie> is callie a common name in the states, im asuming thats where you are
[06:12] <callie> ?
[06:13] <sniff> is sum1 able to tell me hwo to recompile libgpgme please?
[06:13] <Psi-Jack> callie: Common? Not really very common, but it does exist here and there. ;)
[06:13] <_mindspin> in germen its Kalli for karl
[06:13] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Do you have KDE 3.5.1?
[06:13] <Captainbraille> Psi-jack: how do I find that?
[06:13] <Psi-Jack> !Seveas
[06:13] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:13] <_mindspin> !codecs
[06:13] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[06:13] <Psi-Jack> Captainbraille: That repository.
[06:14] <Psi-Jack> I recommend ONLY Seveas' for that.
[06:14] <sniff> Psi-Jack: I got to CONFIGURE KMAIL -> SECURITY -> CRYPTO BACKENDS
[06:14] <callie> i use callie as an abreviation of Caliban, which is a handle i used to use until 9/11 where upon lots of poorly read americans kept booting me out of rooms thinking that it had some link with Taliban
[06:14] <snoozix> re.
[06:14] <vge> whats a good samba browser to kubuntu?
[06:14] <sniff> Psi-Jack: but they are all unusable (greyed out)
[06:14] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Which version of KDE?
[06:14] <_mindspin> vge konqueror
[06:14] <Psi-Jack> vge: Konqueror, Mozilla Firefox
[06:15] <vge> ic
[06:15] <callie> and i am in fact, contrary to to public belief, male
[06:15] <Psi-Jack> vga: What about Interface Contorollers?
[06:15] <Psi-Jack> callie: Oh? Well, then you're not my wife! :)
[06:15] <sniff> Psi-Jack:  not sure the standard one in breezy
[06:15] <callie> indeed
[06:15] <humboldt> how can I get a desktop search app in kubuntu?
[06:15] <callie> unless you're in alabama?
[06:16] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Upgrade to KDE 3.5.1 from kubuntu.org's article near the bottom of the page now.
[06:16] <Psi-Jack> It fixes LOTS of problems, and gets you current. ;)
[06:16] <sniff> Psi-Jack: how i upgreade?
[06:16] <trappist> LOTS of problems
[06:16] <humboldt> doodled seems to depend on fam but ubuntu-desktop default is gamin. Therefor the installer wants to delete all kde!
[06:16] <VincentMX> hi
[06:17] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Add the repository to your sources.list, a fetch updates, and full upgrade, in Adept.
[06:17] <Psi-Jack> Very easy.
[06:17] <trappist> only 2 really annoying problems remain here
[06:17] <humboldt> Psi-Jack: Is KDE 3.5.1 available for breezy or only for dapper?
[06:17] <Psi-Jack> trappist: The media:/hdc and what?
[06:17] <robotgeek> for breezy and dapper
[06:18] <_patrick> humboldt: both
[06:18] <Psi-Jack> humboldt: Actually, only for Breezy.
[06:18] <Psi-Jack> Err, Okay, maybe there is a Dapper one too.
[06:18] <humboldt> Did anybody notice any problems with apt lately???
[06:18] <trappist> on one machine, my imap address book is always empty (even though it's really not) and on another every time I start kmail I have to enter all the send/receive passwords for every account AND my kwallet password
[06:18] <_patrick> how do I ghost someone?
[06:18] <humboldt> It seems the nomenclatur has changed but apt does not fully support it yet!
[06:18] <sniff> Psi-Jack:
[06:18] <sniff> !kde
[06:18] <ubotu> from memory, kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[06:19] <sniff> !kde 3.5
[06:19] <ubotu> kde 3.5 is, like, at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[06:19] <Psi-Jack> trappist: KWallet is annoying like that. To fix that, disable the wallet, configure Kmail to store passwords.
[06:19] <sniff> !kde 3.5 repos
[06:19] <ubotu> sniff: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:19] <sniff> lol
[06:20] <callie> damn i forgot, i was going to say Namaste Robotgeek Gee
[06:20] <_mindspin> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[06:20] <robotgeek> callie: heh, namaste :)
[06:20] <Psi-Jack> _mindspin: Thats for 3.5.0, not 3.5.1.?
[06:20] <callie> I noticed you are tamil and I know some tamils here in london robotgeek
[06:20] <_mindspin> could be
[06:21] <_mindspin> its my source
[06:21] <Psi-Jack> It is.
[06:21] <Psi-Jack> It's for 3.5.0
[06:21] <robotgeek> callie: nice :)
[06:21] <Psi-Jack> kde351 will get 3.5.1
[06:21] <callie> yes they are robotgeek
[06:21] <Psi-Jack> And kde-latest will keep you on the latest tree.
[06:21] <callie> more kitten that tiger ;)
[06:22] <_mindspin> you would recommend 3.5.1 ?
[06:22] <robotgeek> _mindspin: yes, it's nice, and i havent had any issues with it yet
[06:22] <sniff> slright
[06:22] <sniff> ialready had kubuntu latest in my sources
[06:22] <sniff> just hadn;t done the upgrade
[06:22] <sniff> !ubuntu-desktop
[06:22] <ubotu> ubuntu-desktop is probably a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when ugprading.
[06:23] <robotgeek> callie: maybe we should take more in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[06:23] <_mindspin> what do you mean with "yet" how long are you on 3.5.1?
[06:23] <Psi-Jack> _mindspin: Oh hell yes.
[06:23] <robotgeek> _mindspin: heh, s/yet//
[06:23] <callie> yeah sorry guys
[06:25] <Psi-Jack> Mmmm.
[06:25] <Psi-Jack> I'm gonna make a KMail signature script that uses fortune. :D
[06:26] <Psi-Jack> Interesting signature footnote: You will be run over by a beer truck.
[06:27] <tafsen> When I star Kaffeine it comes a setup-screen or something, and it's freeze.
[06:27] <tafsen> *start
[06:27] <sniff> hey! there is one really cool feature of kmail
[06:28] <Psi-Jack> Nice.. Got my little ~/bin/signature.<name> going, now. Muahaha
[06:29] <sniff> i attached a .log file from a ./configure i did to email to a friend so he can see what went wrong. The file was 1mb, just as i was going to click the send button I noticed the COMPRESS selection. I clicked it and the size was instantly reduced to 12k! That's soooo cool, it's totally integrated
[06:30] <sniff> kmail just gzipped the f*ck out of it
[06:30] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Yep yep yep. Almost all the KDE stuff does great things. You know Kontact, right? It just swallows Kmail into it, rather than making a completely new piece of software to do that. (Gnome decided to make Evolution, which was completely seperate from everything else they started doing)
[06:31] <tafsen> ..
[06:31] <sniff> mmm
[06:31] <sniff> Psi-Jack:  i got a prob with   my contacts though
[06:31] <Psi-Jack> I have a problem that you have a problem with your contacts!
[06:31] <sniff> Psi-Jack: all my contacts are in thunderbird, how do i import them to Kontact?
[06:31] <sniff> Psi-Jack: lol!
[06:32] <sniff> the only other thing that gets my goat at the moment is this encryption business
[06:33] <sniff> encryption support should be buikt into kmail
[06:33] <sniff> with strong integration with kgpg
[06:33] <robotgeek> sniff: i remember that it worked right out of the box for me
[06:33] <sniff> that's strange
[06:33] <Psi-Jack> sniff: Why? The tools are made and used. This is the Unix way, and it's a very good way. It requires much less reinventions of the wheel.
[06:33] <sniff> last night i did a fresh install of kubuntu
[06:33] <Psi-Jack> The wheel is already round!
[06:34] <snoozix> grat
[06:34] <callie> damn
[06:34] <sniff> i installed kbuntu
[06:34] <sniff> then added kgpg to it
[06:34] <snoozix> amarok keeps crashing more often than it plays a song correctly.
[06:34] <snoozix> very cool.
[06:35] <callie> lol
[06:35] <sniff> * dfg
[06:35] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[06:35] <callie> snoozix, you really want to hate amarok dont you?
[06:35] <snoozix> callie: i want to listen to music.
[06:35] <Psi-Jack> I never have a problem with amaroK...
[06:35] <Psi-Jack> I've run amaroK, literally for 2 days straight, non-stop.
[06:35] <snoozix> callie: i don't make my opinion about any software just because i'm in a bad mood or something, could you please figure that?
[06:36] <humboldt> kde 3.5.1 does not provide an updated kubuntu-desktop package
[06:36] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: with x-fading?
[06:36] <Psi-Jack> snoozix: x-fading?
[06:36] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: crossfading.
[06:36] <Psi-Jack> Oh. Ummm. Lemme check.
[06:36] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: beautiful soft fades between 2 songs.
[06:36] <callie> snoozix, you could try having a bit more of a sense of humour and not being so defensive
[06:36] <sniff> oh i thought it was x11 fading or something
[06:36] <humboldt> Does kde 3.5.1 already support gstreamer as backend?
[06:37] <Psi-Jack> No. No crossfading.
[06:37] <snoozix> callie: i just want working software. i think that's not a joke or something.
[06:37] <Psi-Jack> humboldt: KDE doesn't use gstreamer. Individual parts of KDE applications however might.
[06:37] <callie> geez
[06:37] <sniff> damn! it's getting on for 2 am here
[06:37] <snoozix> callie: is it so unnormal that i just want to listen to music?
[06:37] <callie> snoozix, chill
[06:37] <humboldt> is there some desktop search app for kde 3.5.1 and is it in kubuntu breezy?
[06:37] <snoozix> callie: don't try to calm me down, thank you :)
[06:38] <sniff> humboldt: there is one
[06:38] <sniff> humboldt: called
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> I am trying the amaroK crossfading feature now.
[06:38] <sniff> humboldt: bernard
[06:38] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: which engine do you use? xine-engine with alsa?
[06:38] <callie> snoozix, i couldnt care how calm you are, i just dont see the need to your knickers in a twist
[06:38] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: stereo 2.0 arrangement?
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> xine-engine with alsa, yes.
[06:39] <Psi-Jack> Yes, Stereo 2.0. It's music, afterall, wanted to keep it on the front 2 channels ONLY. :)
[06:39] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: so tell me if crossfading works for you
[06:39] <Psi-Jack> I use Kaffeine with 4.1 :)
[06:39] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: i only have 2 channels. i have a very good stereo and i think 2 channels is the best to listen to music.
[06:40] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I could always dmix it to all the rear speakers, but I don't.
[06:40] <Psi-Jack> It just uses my 2 fronts and my sub.
[06:41] <snoozix> callie: as just said, the current state of audio players with linux keeps me frustrated. i got a large collection of music and it's my big hobby to maintain it, keep it sorted, tagged and so on and i just want a music player that completely integrates seamless into my LIFE and my style of living. i want to live with my audio player. it's enough that i have to work on my linux and on my desktop all the time. my music player should NOT be tha
[06:41] <snoozix> t way, it should just do what i want it to.
[06:41] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[06:41] <Psi-Jack> Ummm
[06:41] <snoozix> callie: thanks a lot for recommending me stuff and software.
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> amaroK's cross-fader SUCKS.
[06:42] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: right.
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> amaroK didn't crash.  Right.. It ... Tripped up the end, and beginning between the songs.
[06:42] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: beginning volume of second song is 0%
[06:42] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: it sucks too.
[06:42] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: it has been fixed
[06:42] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: and the latency is pain.
[06:42] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: that's exactly what i'm talking about.
[06:42] <callie> snoozix, i feel the same way, i think the audio side of linux in general needs a lot of work, or rather a bit more focus but screaming at me isnt going to help your cause much
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: I was just testing it to see if amaroK would die, or not, like snoozix complains of. ;)
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> And it does.
[06:43] <callie> snoozix, you're talking to a sounds engineer here
[06:43] <callie> -s
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> It croaks the music itself. ;H
[06:43] <snoozix> callie: i am NOT screaming, i'm in a good mood except that i've been to the hospital fo 4 hours to get infusion in my blood :)
[06:43] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: the crossfading has been fixed in the latest amarok
[06:43] <robotgeek> snoozix: take some rest, and get off irc :)
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: Cool. Not a big thing, to me. ;)
[06:44] <callie> im sorry snoozix i thought all those caps letters where shouting, my fault
[06:44] <snoozix> callie: and i just complain about the current state of audio players in linux, why can't it just be the way i want it to. i'm not a programmer, i'm just addicted to good music :)
[06:44] <Psi-Jack> I never used the crossfader till snoozix complained about it. ;)
[06:44] <snoozix> callie: ehehehe :)
[06:44] <callie> there is
[06:44] <snoozix> robotgeek: i won't - thank you, i feel like typing 300 letters a minute and drinking some wine and listening to "the police" or so :)
[06:44] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: Yes.
[06:45] <Psi-Jack> xine's EQ engine still lacks, though.
[06:45] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: where is it, i've been looking for ages. lol
[06:45] <sniff> GUYS GUYS GUYS
[06:46] <sniff> kde 3.5 upgrade OK
[06:46] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: Tools menu, Equalizer
[06:46] <snoozix> if it comes to mp3 players, i begin to think of winamp. it's a good player and i like it a lot. xmms is cool, too. there is no other player that i could think of that satisfies me. foobar2000 is great, too. ok. that's it. why isn't there a foobar2000 for linux? that'll be great yeah :)
[06:46] <sniff> kmail has crypto options enabled
[06:46] <jpatrick> sniff: we know
[06:46] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: thanks, never struck me to look there
[06:46] <sniff> :(:(:9
[06:46] <sniff> bleh bleh bleh
[06:46] <Psi-Jack> hehehe
[06:46] <sniff> but i'm so happy, aren't you happy for me?
[06:46] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: I reveal all obvious secrets.
[06:47] <sniff> the windows look different though, kinda more 3d
[06:47] <snoozix> callie: and please please don't think my opinions are fittable for all people. they just show off what _i_ _currently_ think about those stuff, maybe in 1 week i will have completely different views.
[06:47] <Psi-Jack> sniff: yep. Much better.
[06:47] <sniff> Psi-Jack: so do you know how to get contacts from tbird into kontact?
[06:47] <callie> snoozix, dude, i'm on your side here
[06:47] <snoozix> callie: :)
[06:47] <callie> you just need to bring it down a peg
[06:48] <Psi-Jack> snoozix: Have you tried running amaroK in dual-window mode, instead of that one huge media window?
[06:48] <snoozix> callie: my english is not that good but i can imagine what that means :)
[06:48] <robotgeek> sniff: export contacts from thunderbird, and import it in kontact?
[06:48] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: no. should i try that?
[06:48] <Psi-Jack> snoozix: You might like the feel of it better. ;)
[06:48] <snoozix> Psi-Jack: i tried it one year ago or so.
[06:48] <sniff> i will
[06:48] <sniff> try
[06:48] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: are you talking about the winamp mode?
[06:48] <sniff> wow Kopete looks like gold now
[06:49] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: The "xmms" mode, yes.
[06:49] <callie> but i understand, its frustrating, you shouldnt need all these different daemons and sound engines and blah blah blah, how about just one that works, out of the box
[06:49] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: hmm, i probably won't use that.
[06:49] <callie> but then we get into windows territory
[06:49] <robotgeek> but that's just me
[06:49] <Psi-Jack> robotgeek: I like it, because I can watch it more easily, and it doesn't consume my entire screen. :)
[06:50] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[06:50] <Psi-Jack> Interesting. /media actually does do something.
[06:50] <robotgeek> Psi-Jack: i don't see my amarok ever, it's just in my system tray
[06:50] <callie> brb
[06:50] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: but please keep that down in here :)
[06:50] <Psi-Jack> I have the OSD enabled. :D
[06:51] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: I didn't plan to abuse it. Just wanted to try it once. :)
[06:51] <snoozix> i don't like that xmms style window.
[06:51] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: On! You! Are you the amarok guy that was in #kde a couple days back? :D
[06:51] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: on #kde ?
[06:51] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Hmm, I guess not.
[06:52] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: I'm only on #kde-devel sometimes
[06:52] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: I made wind that Kubuntu was an excelent distribution, but it was still not in mature states yet.
[06:52] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: that was in #amarok
[06:53] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Oh! It was.. Sorry, I use channels quite, intensely. LOL
[06:53] <jpatrick> me too
[06:53] <snoozix> banshee crashes when i try to start it.
[06:53] <snoozix> hm
[06:53] <jpatrick> lots of *-devel channels :P
[06:53] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Well, I put up a new Wiki for my own KDE Tips & Tricks that fixes some of Kubuntu-packaged KDE faults. :)
[06:54] <jpatrick> :)
[06:54] <Psi-Jack> What kinda things are people, KDE-wise, complaining about? :} I need some ideas to enhance that wiki, based on what people need, and not just what I see.
[06:55] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: And what's that meeting about? Is it an IRC meeting?
[06:55] <sniff> Psi-Jack: what should i choose for PREFERRED CRYPTO MESSAGE FORMAT under my identity?
[06:55] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: yes 8 o'clock (UTC) tonight :: #ubuntu-meeting
[06:56] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Is it for both Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[06:56] <jpatrick> it's a Kubuntu meeting :)
[06:56] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, okay. Wanted to make sure.
[06:56] <Psi-Jack> Is everyone welcome? I wasn't sure. ;)
[06:56] <snoozix> everyone except me :)
[06:57] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: feel free to add things to the agenda https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[06:57] <jpatrick> (if you plan to talk about your topic)
[06:57] <sniff> Psi-Jack:
[06:57] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: I might just do that. ;)
[06:58] <Psi-Jack> And why does kubuntu.org have an invalid SSL cert? :p
[06:58] <jpatrick> hmm, new cloak and now lots of lags
[06:58] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: because it was meant for ubuntu.com
[06:58] <spriet> \query u3xn5
[06:59] <snoozix> \bleh
[06:59] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Aha.. That makes sense.  I am actually fully using Kubuntu, even on my servers.. It still has it's annoyances, but it's a lot better than spending 4 days trying to get Gentoo, OpenLDAP, and SASL working nicely with each other. Never could get OpenLDAP and SASL to do a proper LDAPv3 SASL bind.
[07:03] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: I knew you'll crack in the end
[07:03] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Heh. You were right. I was running kubuntu off a spare HDD, and last night, I did the whole cp -a to the primary HDD. :)
[07:04] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: wanna help out and become an elite kubuntu dev?
[07:05] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Have you ever looked in the ebuilds of Gentoo? My name has been stamped in them in the past.. What this is saying, is if I can help make things better, I will do so. As time allots.
[07:06] <jpatrick> cool
[07:06] <Psi-Jack> Right now, I'm investigaing this never-creating help search index problem. :/
[07:07] <Psi-Jack> The Application Manuals always come up "Missing"
[07:07] <Psi-Jack> AHA!
[07:07] <Psi-Jack> htdig failed!
[07:08] <jpatrick> :/
[07:08] <sniff> Psi-Jack: i have that prob right now, i want to read the kontact man
[07:08] <sniff> cannot find index.html
[07:08] <MetaMorfoziS> i have this
[07:09] <MetaMorfoziS> meta@kisgep:~$ 3ddeskd: glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible! 3ddeskd: Please configure hardware acceleration.  Exiting.
[07:09] <MetaMorfoziS> what i need?
[07:09] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: And adept REALLY needs to be fixed. :/
[07:09] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i set up direct renderign?
[07:09] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: Dapper's adept ROCKS
[07:10] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Had the console debconf issue been fixed?
[07:10] <jpatrick> think so
[07:10] <Psi-Jack> When debconf comes up, now, it will not allow the initial use of it. This /should/ be fixed in Breezy until Dapper comes out.
[07:11] <Psi-Jack> That kind of bug, I consider a show-stopper.
[07:12] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: report it then
[07:13] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: fixes are welcome :)
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> 10 4. ;)
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> I'm not a C/C++ programmer, however.
[07:13] <jpatrick> I am
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> I do everything BUT C/C++/mono
[07:13] <jpatrick> Python is my other fav
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> heh
[07:14] <Psi-Jack> Mostly interpretted languaged.
[07:14] <Psi-Jack> Blah, I can not type today. :/
[07:14] <jpatrick> https://launchpad.net/people/jpatrick <- me
[07:14] <Psi-Jack> Finally! KDE Help Center has an index! Yay!
[07:15] <jpatrick> :)
[07:16] <Psi-Jack> Nice karma. :)
[07:16] <Psi-Jack> And no bounties.
[07:16] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: that's just i18n
[07:17] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[07:18] <Psi-Jack> Agenda speaks of desktop indexing.. Or something.
[07:18] <Psi-Jack> Doesn't KDE have it's own indexing agent for that kind of thing?
[07:18] <davtaine> killer
[07:19] <spriet> hiho iam newbee ...how to install skype.deb  ????
[07:19] <Psi-Jack> !seveas
[07:19] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:19] <Psi-Jack> spriet: Use that repo mentioned.
[07:20] <Psi-Jack> It has a functional Skype package, with the skype_dsp_hijacker which if you have problems with Skype not releasing the DSP device, that hijacker will correct it.
[07:20] <Psi-Jack> Speaking of which.
[07:20] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: You know how to deal with Debian-style packaging, yes?
[07:20] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: yes
[07:21] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: I'm a Master of the Universe
[07:21] <jpatrick> see /topic
[07:21] <jpatrick> :)
[07:21] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: I'm trying to help seveas out by fixing the skype-dsp-hijacker further, and I need to know how to make use of /etc/defaults/skype-dsp-hijacker, to tell the package manager it's a conf file, and all.
[07:21] <spriet> it works thy
[07:21] <spriet> thx
[07:22] <Psi-Jack> I've already helped Seveas fix the hijacker engine up a bit, I just need to finish it. ;)
[07:22] <spriet> kubuntu is nice :-) i like it better the Suse!!!
[07:22] <Psi-Jack> Unless you specifically BUY SuSE, SuSE is crap.
[07:23] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: err...
[07:23] <Psi-Jack> Development of that nature tells me, they only care about money, and not a good product. So I will never use SuSE.
[07:23] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: shame that stuff's closed up
[07:23] <Psi-Jack> Yep. :)
[07:23] <jpatrick> right
[07:24] <jpatrick> <- out to supper
[07:24] <Psi-Jack> The Evaluation of SuSE gives SuSE absolutely /no/ justice.
[07:30] <DjDarkman> hy ,if i want to try dapper ,where can i upgrade to the beta ,wich repository?
[07:31] <Psi-Jack> Change all distribution names from breezy to dapper, in sources.list, and apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:31] <Psi-Jack> Beware, apt-get is upgrade-friendly, but /not/ downgrade friendly, and Dapper is, as you know, beta.
[07:32] <Psi-Jack> Actually, technically, still unstable.
[07:32] <richard1> how I use the printer epson 777i in ubuntu?
[07:32] <Psi-Jack> richard1: One moment.
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> richard1: The Stylus Color 777?
[07:36] <richard1> Psi-jack: yes
[07:36] <richard1> 777i
[07:36] <Psi-Jack> richard1: You will need the gimp-print driver to use that perfectly.
[07:36] <Psi-Jack> http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_Color_777
[07:37] <cptflam> can you select the packages to be installed by kubuntu during the installation
[07:37] <cptflam> ?
[07:37] <Psi-Jack> If you simply installed the gimp-print package, CUPS might recognize it, and be able to set it up in KDE's Control Center for printers.
[07:37] <Psi-Jack> cptflam: Nope.
[07:37] <cptflam> crap
[07:38] <Psi-Jack> cptflam: You can, however, use server install to do a bare minimum.
[07:38] <cptflam> the install is larger than my disk and thus is stuck midway
[07:38] <cptflam> oh
[07:38] <cptflam> ok
[07:38] <cptflam> i'll try that thanks
[07:38] <Psi-Jack> cptflam: When you boot the CD, hit F1 before it boots the installer.
[07:42] <fit4lfe> having problems with dapper on xwindows
[07:42] <fit4lfe> can't seem to get xwindows to work
[07:42] <Psi-Jack> No such thing as xwindows.
[07:42] <fit4lfe> at all
[07:42] <JF1976> try startx
[07:42] <fit4lfe> i did
[07:43] <fit4lfe> it flashes the splash screen then nothing
[07:43] <fit4lfe> error telling me that can't find /dev/input/mice
[07:44] <JF1976> try Xorg
[07:44] <JF1976> what mouse you got ?
[07:44] <fit4lfe> usb
[07:44] <fit4lfe> worked fine with breezy
[07:44] <JF1976> do a lsusb
[07:44] <JF1976> to see if your device is detected!
[07:44] <fit4lfe> k
[07:44] <fit4lfe> then what
[07:45] <fit4lfe> brb
[07:45] <JF1976> if its detected then you will need to find info about setting the device inyou xconfig
[07:48] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, security.ubuntu.com down?
[07:49] <trappist> Psi-Jack: I've heard it is
[07:49] <Psi-Jack> Darnet.!
[07:49] <erhan_R> hi
[07:49] <Psi-Jack> I need it.
[07:50] <Psi-Jack> Is there a us mirror?
[07:50] <erhan_R> leave
[07:50] <Psi-Jack> erhan_R: Um, No!
[07:50] <hugo_> kubuntu seems to bedown
[07:51] <Riddell> hugo_: power outage in the data centre apparantly
[07:51] <Psi-Jack> !easysource
[07:51] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:52] <_spriet> where can i get packages which dont list at adept?
[07:52] <_spriet> i need libqt3c102-mt
[07:52] <Psi-Jack> _spriet: Like, what?
[07:52] <Psi-Jack> Why do you need that?
[07:52] <_spriet> for installing skype
[07:52] <Riddell> !skype
[07:52] <ubotu> skype is, like, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[07:52] <Psi-Jack> No you don't. Use Seveas'
[07:53] <Psi-Jack> That is a Debian specific skype package. Seveas' fixes that dependancy problem.
[07:54] <spriet> ok thx i try
[07:55] <Ashex> I should be able to edit the Grub Loader on my external if I boot off my linux thumbdrive, right?
[07:56] <Psi-Jack> You have a linux thumb drive?
[07:56] <Psi-Jack> Bootable?
[07:56] <Ashex> yup
[07:56] <Psi-Jack> Nice! How big is the storage?
[07:56] <MetaMorfoziS> is there anyway to make a bootable, kde based ubuntu under 512mb?
[07:56] <Ashex> I have about 100 mb left on the thumbdrive, the build is about 150
[07:56] <MetaMorfoziS> (to boot it from an usb drive)
[07:57] <Ashex> I wrote a tutorial for it: www.chipnick.com/thumbdrive-linux
[07:57] <Psi-Jack> Ashex: 256mb thumb drive then?
[07:58] <Psi-Jack> Ashex: And the answer to your question, yes. As long as your partition is supported by your thumbdrive's provided kernel. ;)
[07:58] <MetaMorfoziS> hoh i go check it
[07:58] <Psi-Jack> Ashex: Then again..
[07:58] <Psi-Jack> Ashex: You can live edit the boot loader settings, from within grub, if all you need to do is make a correction.
[07:58] <Ashex> Psi-Jack: okay
[07:58] <Psi-Jack> Just remember if you do that, once you get booted back to normal, edit the menu.lst
[07:59] <Ashex> Psi-Jack: i'm using a tut to install to external, and I need to modify a couple settings, all the bootable options need to be hd0,0 instead of hd1,0
[07:59] <Psi-Jack> Ahh I see
[08:00] <Psi-Jack> The guy that wrote that Blog, looks like a proper geek.
[08:00] <Ashex> at the link?
[08:00] <Psi-Jack> Yeah
[08:00] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[08:00] <Ashex> you're so kind :p
[08:00] <Psi-Jack> Hehe, is that you?
[08:00] <Ashex> Yup
[08:01] <Psi-Jack> It wasn't an insult, BTW.
[08:01] <Ashex> I didn't take it as one :p
[08:01] <hugo_> are there any mirrors for http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest?
[08:01] <Psi-Jack> If I were to call you a nerd, THAT would be an insult. LOL
[08:01] <MetaMorfoziS> it's feather
[08:01] <jpatrick> hugo_: yes
[08:01] <MetaMorfoziS> i want ubuntu
[08:01] <MetaMorfoziS> or kubuntu...
[08:02] <MetaMorfoziS> is it possible?
[08:02] <MetaMorfoziS> isntall kubuntu an 512 thumbdrive?
[08:02] <Ashex> I'll eventually have a ubuntu thumbdrive edition.
[08:02] <Ashex> Install it as a server
[08:02] <hugo_> jpatrick: where? kubuntu.org is offline therefor I can't find one. And the source-o-matic does not provide me with one for .ca.
[08:02] <MetaMorfoziS> full bootable isn't possible?
[08:02] <MetaMorfoziS> plug & boot?:( :)
[08:03] <Ashex> MetaMorfoziS: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80811
[08:03] <hugo_> jpatrick: do you know any?
[08:03] <Ashex> Someone in that thread installed the server version onto a 512 stick
[08:03] <spriet> wrong password on console? ive installed kubuntu few minuets ago whats wrong?
[08:03] <spriet> how to become super user?
[08:04] <Psi-Jack> spriet: sudo su -
[08:04] <Ashex> hmmm
[08:04] <Ashex> I think I'm going to reinstall kubuntu
[08:04] <jpatrick> hugo_: no, but they are listened
[08:04] <Ashex> I've screwed up my partitions
[08:04] <spriet> yre thx it works
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> how soluted the partiotioning?
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> i think simple drives aren't partitionable
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> (for swap and ext3)
[08:06] <Ashex> I've got way too many partitions on the drive
[08:07] <Ashex> and windows doesn't detect all the ntfs partitions on it
[08:07] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[08:07] <MetaMorfoziS> and, what is the size of kde?
[08:07] <Psi-Jack> How long will security.ubuntu.com be down. :/
[08:07] <MetaMorfoziS> how many mb-s?
[08:08] <JasonR_> Does anyone know what I put in Xresources to change setting in Konsole? "konsole*background: Gray10" doesn't do anything.
[08:09] <Psi-Jack> Ahh!
[08:09] <Psi-Jack> It's finally back up.
[08:10] <Psi-Jack> T-minus 50 minutes for Kubuntu Meeting
[08:10] <feistel> hi
[08:10] <feistel> how I can execute a command everytime a apt-get database is modified (p.e.: a package is installed, a package is removed, ...), something line in apt.conf
[08:10] <feistel> ?
[08:10] <feistel> any suggest?
[08:10] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Hey. Who can I talk to about getting a !Psi-Jack trigger? :D
[08:10] <jpatrick> what?
[08:11] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: For the bot, to be able to send people to my Wiki KDE Tips & Tricks page.
[08:11] <jpatrick> !ubotu
[08:11] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[08:11] <jpatrick> ^^
[08:12] <Psi-Jack> feistel: Using Post-Invoke?
[08:12] <Psi-Jack> feistel: man apt.conf about Post-Invoke
[08:12] <feistel> Psi-Jack: how? please!
[08:12] <Psi-Jack> feistel: manpage, read it. Understand it. Live it. Breath it.
[08:13] <feistel> jajaj , ok!
[08:13] <feistel> thanks
[08:15] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Well... That didn't work. LOL
[08:15] <jpatrick> read the usage page
[08:16] <Psi-Jack> !Psi-Jack
[08:16] <ubotu> Psi-Jack: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:16] <Psi-Jack> ubotu: !Psi-Jack
[08:16] <ubotu> !psi-jack is probably Psi-Jack's KDE Tips & Tricks page to further enhance your KDE experience: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PsiJack
[08:16] <Psi-Jack> That's the part I on't get. LOL
[08:17] <Psi-Jack> !psi-Jack
[08:17] <ubotu> it has been said that psi-jack is Psi-Jack's KDE Tips & Tricks page to further enhance your KDE experience: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PsiJack
[08:17] <Psi-Jack> Aha!
[08:19] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: I can't believe dpkg's bot actually STILL had my info from eons ago.
[08:19] <Psi-Jack> [psi-jack]  a Debianite of the GNU generation. Heavily into GTK and Gnome-based X11 applications. <-- That was before I fell in love with KDE. LOL
[08:20] <jpatrick> ok
[08:22] <laserman> if I install kubuntu, does the boot loader let me have a chioce of booting to root or my user account? I am ruuning live right now.
[08:22] <Psi-Jack> laserman: You don't "boot" to a user. It brings you to a login.
[08:23] <trappist> unless you boot to rescue mode, in which case you're root.
[08:23] <Psi-Jack> Correct.
[08:23] <laserman> at the login, can I choose between root and user?
[08:23] <Psi-Jack> laserman: You have to login as your user, then sudo to root. The root password is disabled, by default.
[08:23] <stjepan> hello
[08:23] <trappist> laserman: basically you don't login as root, ever.  you enter your username and password, but iirc the username is prepopulated for you.
[08:23] <laserman> ok, thanks
[08:23] <Psi-Jack> trappist: I login as root. :p
[08:24] <stjepan> do you know any really really wonderful eyecandies for KDE, except baghira?
[08:24] <trappist> stjepan: katapult
[08:24] <laserman> is it fairly easy to setup to dualboot to XP and kubuntu?
[08:24] <jpatrick> laserman: yes
[08:24] <stjepan> baghira is just wonderful, it rocks, but osx like desktop isnt very functional :(((
[08:24] <Psi-Jack> trappist: In fact, I setup a root password, because had I not, and LDAP issues arose, I would not be able to fix my system easily. ;)
[08:25] <JasonR> Anyone here use Xresources to config KDE?
[08:25] <trappist> Psi-Jack: yeah it's a little worrisome, all the things you can break that will lock you out if you don't have a root password
[08:25] <Psi-Jack> JasonR: Hmmm, Does KDE itself even USE xrdb resources?
[08:25] <JasonR> I don't know.
[08:25] <stjepan> what is in your opinion, the most functional desktop?
[08:25] <Psi-Jack> The answer is, No.
[08:25] <Psi-Jack> I don't think KDE uses xrdb at all.
[08:26] <JasonR> Psi-jack: So there is no way to configre Konsole with zrdb then?
[08:26] <JasonR> :-(
[08:26] <Psi-Jack> JasonR: Try #kde. I'm asking over there about xrdb now.
[08:26] <Psi-Jack> Waiting for a reply.
[08:26] <JasonR> Psi-Jack: Thanks, I will ask there.
[08:27] <Psi-Jack> But, I don't think KDE even considered xrdb in their design. They should've, but I don't think they did.
[08:27] <Psi-Jack> But, Then again.
[08:28] <stjepan> I want a nice desktop style where I can easy and quicly access to everything. With osx style functionality is very low. Windows style - good but ugly and boring. Any ideas?
[08:28] <Psi-Jack> xrdb is old and delapitated. And probably should die, just like the X Font Server.
[08:28] <Psi-Jack> stjepan: kde-look.org?
[08:28] <erhan_R> hey
[08:29] <spriet> jo cool skype is running :-)
[08:29] <_spriet> but how to recieve emails?
[08:30] <_spriet_> which program is to reciev emails?
[08:30] <_spriet_> on kubuntu
[08:31] <_martin_> KMail should do the trick. Otherwise ThunderBird will do
[08:32] <_spriet_> and this use smtp and pop?
[08:33] <Tm_T> _spriet_: ofcourse
[08:34] <trappist> <3 kmail
[08:34] <trappist> I left and went with mutt for like 3 years, but I finally came back
[08:36] <Ashex> CRRRAAAPP
[08:36] <Ashex> the kubuntu install went a little crazy on me
[08:36] <jpatrick> ...
[08:36] <Ashex> I partitioned a 30gb ext3 for it to use
[08:36] <Ashex> it decided to use the 60gb ntfs parition
[08:37] <Ashex> >.<
[08:37] <Ashex> Guess I'll just give it a 90gb partition...
[08:37] <Ashex> At least I kept most of my important stuff on my other partition
[08:38] <_spriet_> cool it works to...makes fun Kubuntu very cool and easy to configure
[08:38] <_spriet_> thx
[08:38] <_spriet_> for help
[08:42] <nabz> hey guyz, wheres mozilla firefox on this?
[08:45] <arrinmurr> nabz: you can install it with Adept or with the command "sudo apt-get install firefox" , or if you want the latest version:
[08:45] <arrinmurr> !firefox1.5
[08:45] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[08:45] <nabz> ty
[08:51] <Ashex> you think if I switched out the little IDE cable inside an external with a full sized cable, I can get two HD's in it?
[08:53] <nabz> ahh, firfox is a pain to install. lol
[08:53] <nabz> fire*
[08:53] <nabz> i dont have any previouse versions installed either :(
[08:53] <kkathman> nabz its easy to install actually
[08:53] <nabz> im new to linux. lol
[08:53] <kkathman> just dont read the crap they tell you to
[08:53] <kkathman> just download it to you home directory, untar it, and set a symlink to /usr/bin
[08:54] <nabz> symlink?
[08:54] <kkathman> yah
[08:54] <kkathman> !symlink
[08:54] <ubotu> symlink is probably ln -s /path/to/file/or/dir /path/to/link
[08:54] <nabz> home/nabz/
[08:54] <nabz> ?
[08:54] <nabz> or just /home
[08:54] <robotgeek> kkathman: why don't ypu edit the wiki with your directions?
[08:55] <kkathman> robotgeek: cuz, admittedly, if you are a firefox user, and have a bunch of extensions and themes, you have much more to do..if you are a newbie, its very quick and easy
[08:56] <nabz> kkathman. shall i download it to: /home/nabz/
[08:56] <robotgeek> kkathman: maybe i should do it, cause i did it in my $HOME, following the exact same instructions. :)
[08:56] <kkathman> nabz:  I downloaded mine to ~/downloads
[08:56] <kkathman> yah it works like a champ
[08:56] <nabz> hmm iv done it to /home/nabz/, does it matter?
[08:56] <robotgeek> all my extensions were saved too
[08:57] <hugo_> kubuntu is down again
[08:57] <jpatrick> hugo_: sysadmin blew up
[08:57] <kkathman> robotgeek:  they should be actually
[08:57] <robotgeek> kkathman: i mean, they kept working and all
[08:58] <kkathman> robotgeek:  they should actually because a new install wont have those directories
[08:58] <kkathman> and you can repeat the download over and over
[08:58] <kkathman> for each update
[08:58] <nabz> kkathman. could you guide me trough installing ff please :)
[08:58] <robotgeek> kkathman: i mean, my extensions from ffox 1.7 worked great
[08:59] <kkathman> nabz:  I just did actually :)
[08:59] <kkathman> its that simple
[08:59] <nabz> lol, not for a newbie :(
[08:59] <nabz> ok so iv downloaded it to /home/nabz
[08:59] <nabz> now im lost
[08:59] <nabz> lol
[08:59] <jpatrick> !firefox1.5
[08:59] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[08:59] <kkathman> jpatrick no!
[08:59] <kkathman> sigh
[08:59] <nabz> lol
[09:00] <kkathman> nabz  jpatrick will talk you through then
[09:00] <nabz> lol.
[09:00] <kkathman> hes a big wig here anyway :)
[09:00] <kkathman> Im not
[09:00] <robotgeek> wiki is down, <sigh>
[09:00] <nabz> lol, hes not talking :(
[09:00] <kkathman> pm him
[09:00] <nabz> and that wiki thing is complicated lol
[09:00] <robotgeek> nabz: do you have it downloaded?
[09:01] <nabz> yeh
[09:01] <robotgeek> since i don't have the directions, it's going to be a lot tougher!
[09:01] <nabz> lol
[09:01] <hugo_> can't connect to security.ubuntu.com either
[09:01] <nabz> wiki's directions are complicated
[09:01] <nabz> lol
[09:02] <nabz> robot u trying to  install ff aswell?
[09:02] <kkathman> i forgot Im not supposed to walk people through things anymore I apologize
[09:02] <robotgeek> nabz: nope, i wanted to help you
[09:02] <robotgeek> kkathman: heh, go ahead.
[09:02] <nabz> ahh
[09:02] <kkathman> nope jpatrick can...he seems to have a better way
[09:03] <nabz> iv downloaded it. now i dunno what to do lol
[09:03] <robotgeek> kkathman: he probably did not notice your earlier conversation
[09:03] <kkathman> I PMd him
[09:04] <nabz> doo i have to untar it?
[09:04] <jpatrick> right now in a meeting
[09:05] <nabz> k
[09:05] <_martin_> Open Adept -> Search for FireFox -> Select -> Install?
[09:05] <nabz> ty
[09:07] <CarstenP> hi i try to install a .deb file under kubuntu, but i always get an errormessage, what am i doing wrong?
[09:07] <nabz> says i already got ff installed? :S
[09:08] <CarstenP> no
[09:08] <nabz> .deb files are for debian arnt they?
[09:08] <CarstenP> hmmm the error message is in german... :(
[09:08] <nabz> lol
[09:08] <CarstenP> i thought kubuntu is some sort of debian?
[09:08] <_martin_> Ubuntu/Kubuntu is based on Debian
[09:09] <nabz> ahh
[09:09] <CarstenP> i try to install the newest bittorrent version (4.4.0) i already have 4.2 installed.
[09:10] <CarstenP> he tries to overwrite bittorrent.mo in LC_MESSAGES, but he cant.
[09:10] <robotgeek> CarstenP: you need to uninstall your older package
[09:12] <nabz> i dont get how to install firefox :(
[09:13] <_martin_> Search and find it in Adept -> Press the link -> Install Package -> Commit changes
[09:13] <CarstenP> hmm i think i foobared it.
[09:13] <nabz> yeh but it says firefox is already installed
[09:13] <nabz> but its not in the kde menue
[09:13] <nabz> menu*
[09:13] <robotgeek> nabz: try alt + f2, firefox
[09:14] <nabz> could not run command
[09:14] <CarstenP> nabz: i installed firefox too, but i foobared a lot while installing it. when is start is from console i get a lot error messages. i wouldnt suggest installing FF
[09:14] <nabz> :( ff is my fav browser. lol
[09:15] <_martin_> Should be easier than a piece of pie to install it, something must have gone haywire
[09:15] <nabz> i downloaded the latest one, extracted it. its got a .sh file in it,, now i dunno what to do lol
[09:15] <CarstenP> there was a whole wiki entry on installing it.
[09:16] <_martin_> Still is
[09:16] <nabz> yeh but its complicated :(
[09:16] <_martin_> Just copy / paste into Konsole
[09:16] <CarstenP> it tried to follow everything but i made a mistake, now it is a bit broken. same story as my bittorrent now, which refuses to work :(
[09:16] <nabz> i did. get all this junk and errors
[09:16] <robotgeek> _martin_: the wiki is down
[09:16] <_martin_> Ouch
[09:16] <CarstenP> nabz: same with me.
[09:16] <_david> hello, I'm installing kubuntu right now, but ut hangs at "Testing network repository" at 50%, while it first said that bringing the network up succeded, I tried switching to the second console but it can't find the ping command, do you know what to do?
[09:17] <nabz> i thaught it would be pretty simple, jus like run the run-mozilla.sh file
[09:18] <nabz> oo, if i press firefox it starts up firefox! :D
[09:18] <CarstenP> yeah i thought that too. but it isnt that easy
[09:18] <_martin_> ^^
[09:18] <CarstenP> is it the right version?
[09:19] <nabz> but how do i propa instal it.
[09:19] <nabz> 1..5.0.1
[09:19] <CarstenP> i have 2 ff versions too
[09:19] <robotgeek> nabz: that's about it, it's installed
[09:19] <nabz> lol i didnt do anything but extract the file? lol
[09:19] <CarstenP> what can i do when adept wont start anymore?
[09:20] <_david> Isn't there some kind of way to test if the network is up in the kubuntu install?
[09:20] <nabz> i mean like firefox isnt in the kde menu, nor desktop. how could i install it there?
[09:20] <_mindspin> CarstenP: try kynaptic
[09:20] <robotgeek> nabz: did you add the dpkg-divert stuff?
[09:20] <nabz> lol no. i jus extracted the .tar file
[09:21] <CarstenP> _mindspin: kynaptic -> command not found :(
[09:21] <nabz> i just installed linux like wen i came in here so yeh.. im a newbie here. :(
[09:21] <robotgeek> nabz: just follow the directions to the end, and you'll be fine
[09:21] <_mindspin> sudo apt-get install kynaptic
[09:21] <nabz> i ran sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
[09:22] <nabz> says its already the newest version
[09:22] <nabz> i dont understand this bit: Install it to /opt/firefox:
[09:23] <_david> I cant believe this, why the fuck isn't the ping command on the install cd
[09:23] <nabz>  # extract tar into /opt (you should make sure /opt already exists)
[09:23] <nabz>  sudo tar -C /opt -x -z -v -f firefox-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz
[09:23] <nabz>  # remove the package if you no longer require it
[09:23] <nabz>  rm firefox-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz
[09:23] <robotgeek> _david: please mind your language
[09:23] <_martin_> Just skip the parts with #
[09:24] <nabz> but  sudo tar -C /opt -x -z -v -f firefox-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz  doesnt work. hmm
[09:24] <_martin_> Are you in the same folder as the tar.gz file??
[09:24] <_david> you probalby divided it in ping-lib ping-minimum and ping-dev but forget to include the command..
[09:25] <nabz> dunno what folder im in. lol
[09:25] <nabz> im in the konsole
[09:25] <nabz> nabz@ubuntu:~$
[09:25] <CarstenP> how can i show all processes that are currently running ? ps -efa ?
[09:25] <_martin_> Where is your FF file? On the desktop?
[09:25] <nabz> home/nabz
[09:25] <_martin_> type: cd /home/nabz
[09:26] <nabz> bash: cd/home/nabz: No such file or directory
[09:26] <Ashex> is it possible to install Kubuntu to my external through VMware?
[09:26] <_martin_> Include space between cd and /home/nabz
[09:26] <nabz> ok it did nothing. lol, is that right?
[09:27] <nabz> it like wen to the next line sorta thing
[09:27] <_martin_> That's good
[09:27] <nabz> ah now sudo tar -C /opt -x -z -v -f firefox-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz worked
[09:27] <_mindspin> type pwd
[09:27] <_martin_> Yup :P
[09:27] <nabz> damn i closed the instructions lol
[09:27] <_martin_> Hehe
[09:28] <nabz> got it
[09:28] <nabz> wow theres alot left to do. lol
[09:29] <robotgeek> nabz: only if you have extensions/plugins installed, so not too much
[09:29] <nabz> ah i dont have anything. lol
[09:30] <CarstenP> wow
[09:30] <CarstenP> i got bittorrent to work. it was installed under /usr/bin/bittorrent
[09:30] <CarstenP> it is even version 4.4 !!! it just looks like the kde menu item is broken
[09:32] <CarstenP> it looks like the bittorrent command is not in the path. how can i add it to the path?
[09:32] <nalioth> CarstenP: the kde menu editor doesnt work?
[09:33] <_david> CarstenP: type echo $PATH to see what dirs are in your path, /usr/bin should be in there
[09:33] <nabz> why cant i copy text from the current browser?
[09:34] <CarstenP> nalioth: yeah, but under command it says only 'bittorrent' after changing that to 'usr/bin/bittorrent' it worked again
[09:34] <_david> nabz, how do you copy?
[09:34] <nabz> rigt click copy, and ctrl+c
[09:34] <nabz> and edit+copy
[09:34] <_david> nabz, ok strange, should work, try selecting it and clicking your middle mouse butten where to paste it
[09:35] <nabz> that worked
[09:35] <nabz> ty
[09:35] <_david> CarstenP: are you sure you didn't mess with the t's and r's ? :)
[09:35] <CarstenP> _david: /usr/bin is in the path. strange.
[09:35] <jaydp> hey nabz or anybody i tried to install firefox using the same command. Its giving "unexpected eof in archive"
[09:36] <farous> CarstenP: what is strange about that?
[09:36] <CarstenP> _david: could be :) but i seem to have repaired that with my leet KDE skills :)
[09:36] <nabz> which command u up to?
[09:36] <nabz> woot firefox runs with alt+f2 :D
[09:36] <jaydp> the sudo tar -C /opt ...
[09:36] <nabz> does that mean it sinstalled?
[09:37] <nabz> are u in the same folder
[09:37] <nabz> as the .tar
[09:37] <jaydp> i`m in the folder containing my tar file
[09:37] <jaydp> yup
[09:37] <nabz> sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
[09:37] <nabz> you done that?
[09:38] <jaydp> no
[09:38] <nabz> try that first.
[09:38] <CarstenP> how can i add programs to the alt+space thingie?
[09:38] <jaydp> ok thanks
[09:38] <_spriet_> how to use a ntfs usb external harddrive?
[09:38] <_martin_> The programs linked to Katapult might require a reboot of the system to work
[09:38] <nabz> anyone know how i can get firefox in my kde menu? lol
[09:39] <CarstenP> nabz: right klick on the K-symbol
[09:39] <CarstenP> nabz: its menu editor
[09:39] <nabz> ty :)
[09:39] <CarstenP> <- leet kde skills.
[09:40] <_david> hey cool configuring apt... is now on 75% testing the security repository (after ~20 minutes), does this mean that internet is working?
[09:42] <CarstenP> can i use the ubuntu 0.9.8 wine .deb on my kubuntu?
[09:42] <nabz> whats the best client for msn messenger?
[09:43] <_martin_> Kopete imo
[09:43] <Hobbsee> CarstenP: yes, you should be able to
[09:43] <_david> since your on kde probalby kopete
[09:43] <nabz> how can i order the contacts by online / offline tho?
[09:43] <nabz> its not in the help file or nothnig :(
[09:43] <_spriet_> how can i open a NTFS partition
[09:43] <_spriet_> ?
[09:44] <robotgeek> !ntfs
[09:44] <ubotu> ntfs is probably the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[09:44] <CarstenP> Hobbsee: thanks
[09:44] <_spriet_> thank you
[09:44] <nabz> how can i order the contacts by online / offline on kopete?
[09:45] <_david> nabz, don't know, but you can tell it not to show offline contacts
[09:45] <nabz> ah how?
[09:45] <_david> let me see, 1 moment
[09:45] <nabz> found it
[09:45] <nabz> :)
[09:46] <_david> oki :)
[09:46] <nabz> ty
[09:46] <CarstenP> the wine manual tells me to use synaptic. i dont have synaptic, is synaptic a tool that i should use on kubuntu or not?
[09:46] <_david> it robotgeek a bot?
[09:46] <_martin_> Settings -> Hide offline users
[09:46] <robotgeek> nope _david
[09:46] <_mindspin> kynaptic is kubuntus synaptic
[09:46] <CarstenP> _mindspin: thanks
[09:46] <jpatrick> _mindspin: no, adept
[09:47] <_david> you aren't, int that case sorry for my language a couple minutes ago, was a bit agry.. sorry
[09:47] <_mindspin> adept is for adepts
[09:48] <nabz> on Konversaation, can u connect to more tan one server?
[09:49] <arrinmurr> yes
[09:49] <nabz> how?
[09:49] <_david> nabz: yes you can, see File->Serverlist
[09:49] <nabz> ah yeh
[09:50] <Blippe> why are xine exchanged in favor of gstreamer?
[09:52] <Parkotron> What exactly are you referring to Blippe?
[09:52] <jaydp> hey nabz is ur firefox running?
[09:52] <tafsen> Im following this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=AddingJavaSupport , but I can't manage to find java-package with apt
[09:53] <_martin_> Think Muktiverse is down
[09:53] <_martin_> Multiverse*
[09:53] <ragna> mmm multiverse is working for me =O, only one sent me an error
[09:54] <arrinmurr> tafsen: http://seveas.theplayboymansion.net/seveas/dists/breezy-seveas/java/
[09:54] <Blippe> actually I was looking for a good descrition of xine and gstreamer, and found (on wikipedia, so the probability that it is true might be low) that gstreamer was going to be incoporated in kde4, and as far as I understand, most kdeprogs uses xine (primarily) for video...
[09:55] <Blippe> or uses xine as the preset...
[09:55] <_david> Blippe: kde4 with have phonon which is a layer on top of the audio system, so it can use both xine and gstreamer (it's up to the user) it might well be that gstreamer will be the default tho
[09:57] <Parkotron> Kaffeine uses gstreamer by default at the moment.
[09:57] <Parkotron> Personally, I prefer Xine because it lets you skip past all the warnings a the beginning of DVDs.
[09:59] <Blippe> so phonon is a soundserver?
[09:59] <Blippe> mediaserver?
[09:59] <Blippe> scratch that, i will google it
[09:59] <_david> Blippe: phonon will be a layer between all kde apps that use sound or media and for instance gstreamer, xine, etc
[10:00] <CarstenP> _david: does that mean that i can use kaffeine and xmms at the same time and have both playing sound?
[10:00] <_david> CarstenP: yeah, although that is currently also possible (I dont' know if it defaults to that) that will cerainly be true
[10:01] <nabz> whats the best ftp program?
[10:01] <_david> nabz, I think konqueror, just type a ftp link in it
[10:02] <nabz> mmm
[10:02] <_david> konqueror = the default file manager web browser of kde.. :)
[10:02] <nabz> want somthing like flash fxp on windowx
[10:02] <CarstenP> _david: perhaps my kubuntu is bugged, i can currently only have one application that is doing sound, even if i enabla the kde sound system i only have system sounds,but no sounds on scummvm for example. when will the new kubuntu version come out?
[10:02] <_david> sorry, I don't know that program
[10:03] <arrinmurr> nabz: filezilla
[10:03] <_david> CarstenP: in april but that will not have phonon yet, since it only in the early fases of development
[10:03] <nabz> is that a propa ftp client?
[10:03] <_david> phonon is for kde4 which will be released in 2007
[10:03] <CarstenP> oh . 2007 . that is like. a really long time
[10:04] <arrinmurr> nabz: http://filezilla-project.org/nightly.php
[10:04] <_david> CarstenP: your problem should be solvable but I don't have enough kubuntu knoledge to help you with it
[10:04] <_mindspin> carsten it could depend wether you use alsa or oss or jack or whatever soundserver
[10:05] <Blippe> i thought about creating a mediaplayer to get an understanding for the mediastructure under the hood on my system, and with all that free time i have, my plan is to be finished around 2012...
[10:06] <_david> hehe :)
[10:06] <_adam> I am having trouble playing mp3s on kubuntu. I am missing something.
[10:06] <_adam> Any help?
[10:06] <jpatrick> 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[10:06] <_david> adam you should read the faq on kubuntu.org
[10:06] <Parkotron> Firstly, what are you trying to play them in?
[10:06] <_david> !mp3
[10:06] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:06] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.13 Stopped
[10:07] <andreas_4> what's a good program to tag and rename mp3's/ogg's under linux? Preferably with support for CDDB
[10:07] <_adam> Thanks. I am looking into it.
[10:07] <NRG88> hi, how can i run dos programs (like turbo pascal) with dosemu?
[10:07] <_david> andreas_4: cant amarok do that?
[10:07] <arrinmurr> andreas_4: kid3 or easytag
[10:07] <andreas_4> it -can-, and so can xmms
[10:07] <andreas_4> but it's cumbersome
[10:07] <andreas_4> thanks arrinmurr
[10:07] <andreas_4> I'll try those out
[10:08] <robotgeek> !info dosbox
[10:08] <ubotu> dosbox: (A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA graphics, sound and DOS), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.63-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 368 kB, Installed size: 1000 kB
[10:08] <ragna> anyone knows hot to fix the one sound per time??
[10:08] <ragna> hot = how*
[10:11] <CarstenP> _mindspin is there a good websites that explains how to use the right soundserver and configure the applications to use that soundserver?
[10:11] <NRG88> thanks robotgeek, i'll try it out
[10:11] <_mindspin> i 've read an article some weeks ago but it was in a paper magazine
[10:12] <_mindspin> lemme think
[10:12] <_mindspin> CarstenP: are you german?
[10:13] <CarstenP> _mindspin: Ja? :)
[10:13] <_mindspin> then try www.linux-magazin.de
[10:13] <_mindspin> thats where I've read that article
[10:14] <_mindspin> or try the german kubutu sites, I think they have something for that
[10:14] <_mindspin> even a good sources.list for media
[10:14] <_mindspin> codecs and such
[10:15] <_mindspin> or try #kubuntu-de
[10:15] <NRG88> robotgeek? how can i use the mouse in my GUI while using dosbox to?
[10:16] <NRG88> when i run a program
[10:16] <robotgeek> NRG88: no clue, never used it.