  It seems to be there.
[07:10] <darkxst> infinity, not to mention beta 1 has been and gnome ;)
[16:02] <wxl> infinity: oops, meant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta2
[17:18] <infinity> wxl: That would be me, yes.
[17:19] <infinity> darkxst: Can't decide if that was a terrible pun or a strange typo.
[17:20] <wxl> infinity: ok, trying to get started ahead of time because i'm going to be gone next week as well as gilir so i will need to elect a replacement
[17:22] <infinity> wxl: Well, it's a wiki, feel free to copy and waste from the previous beta and empty the fields. :P
[17:23] <wxl> infinity: yes, dear. :)


[03:35] <Gredeu> i have a valid user account on ubuntuforums.org however it won't allow me to retrieve a password reset.  its a valid account.
[03:37] <Gredeu> i get the best assistance or ubuntu on the forums.
[03:40] <Gredeu> i also want to use the forums for privacy reasons
[05:48] <bkerensa> Is there any reason I'm forced to login to forums to view certain threads?
[05:49] <zenrox> no idea
[05:49] <bkerensa> =/
[05:49] <zenrox> thought thay were all open to read
[05:49] <bkerensa> just a little time consuming to sometimes to view something and be prompted
[05:49] <bkerensa> thats what I thought too
[05:49] <bkerensa> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=309749
[05:50] <bkerensa> is a example of a thread that talks about tray docking and it prompted me =/
[05:50] <zenrox> Hello, zenrox You are browsing a READ only archive of the main support categories pre 4/21/2008. You will not be able to post or reply any threads in this section. Be aware that some of the information is outdated and may cause problems to a current installation.
[05:50] <zenrox> you have to be loged in to read the old stuff
[05:50] <bkerensa> odd :P
[05:50] <bkerensa> I guess they do that to reduce traffic consumption?
[05:51] <zenrox> and i am loged in
[05:51] <zenrox> not only to protect new users
[05:52] <zenrox> makes sence why thay would do that
[05:52] <bkerensa> well I have been prompted on newer threads in the past too like stuff thats only a few months old
[05:52] <zenrox> hmm odd
[05:53] <zenrox> i just keep myself loged in i dont have that prob
[05:53] <bkerensa> :D well my browser clears every time I close it and plus I have Bleachbit set to run in cron twice daily to wipe all temp data :D so thats not gonna be easy for me
[05:54] <zenrox> should just set it to ignore that website
[05:54] <zenrox> or that cookie
[06:07] <Aquix> bkerensa   why do you have  cron to run bleachbit twice a day?
[06:08] <bkerensa> Aquix: I like a clean system :D
[06:08] <bkerensa> Aquix: Chrome doesnt delete as much data as it suggets in fact it leaves tidbits so the only way to fully nuke stuff is via bleachbit or shred
[06:09] <bkerensa> I dont like wipe my free space but I do have it say to nuke chrome, firefox and a couple other trivial things now and then
[06:09] <bkerensa> like rotated logs
[06:10] <Aquix> I see. afraid someone will look at your computer?
[06:14] <bkerensa> no I just dont like leaving cookies for tracking purposes
[06:14] <bkerensa> plus I dont like the idea of having the risk of someone being able to login to an account if I leave traces of data
[06:14] <bkerensa> :D
[06:14] <bkerensa> ie: Bank Acct, etc
[06:17] <Aquix> I just stay logged out from google, and for the bank I log in with my cellphone. Cookies or not, there are enough companies doing ip tracking anyway.
[06:46] <bkerensa> Aquix: Well I have LastPass + YubiKey so I'm pretty secure but just for safety :D
[06:49] <Aquix> better things for safety out there. Get noscript and better privacy  addons
[13:33] <s-fox> Hello.
[17:50] <kpsu> hey
[17:52] <kpsu> anyone uses recorditnow here?
[17:53] <kpsu> records desktop
[17:53] <kpsu> having some issues enabling the "ffmpeg-recorder" plugin
[17:53] <FTMichael> I don't, sorry. Try http://ubuntuforums.org/ too


[05:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:11] <enick_997> Good morning
[07:51] <EriC^^> morning all
[07:55] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^
[07:55] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:55] <EriC^^> lordievader: hey, good thanks, you?
[07:56] <lordievader> Doing allright here :)
[07:56] <EriC^^> :)
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:07] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[11:07] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[11:07] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader, fine here, and you?
[11:07] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[11:49] <ducasse> hi all
[11:54] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse
[11:59] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - everything well?
[12:03] <ducasse> 4 more days until the dark tower premiere - happy-happy, joy-joy!
[12:03] <BluesKaj> fine here ducasse, and you?
[12:05] <ducasse> all well :) thinking about going out and do some yard work while the weather is good.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> now that the rain has stopped, and the lawn is finally dry I can finally mow the grass , it's very shaggy after a week of rain
[12:11] <ducasse> the forecast says 3+ days of nonstop rain are coming up, so it's probably a good idea to do it now
[12:13] <ducasse> going out, bbl
[17:59] <nicomachus> anyone wanna do me a favor?
[18:00] <nicomachus> Looking for anyone that has -old-dkms kernel files in /boot, and need to know which version of Ubuntu is removing them and which isn't (if any)
[18:01] <nicomachus> There are some interesting things going on... background here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/616512/purging-old-kernels-fails-to-remove-old-initrd-files/647311?noredirect=1#comment1503157_647311 in that first reply and the comments on it. I am @portugalthephilosoph there
[18:07] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Think'n . /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal introduced with the 3.13 kernel ??
[18:10] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Nope, vivid : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/apt/vivid/revision/193/debian/apt.conf.autoremove#debian/apt.conf.autoremove .
[18:11] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: I'm not sure, the fix to remove those files was supposedly not in dkms version <IP_ADDRESS>-1.1, which is the current version for xenial.
[18:12] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: that still doesn't seem to handle the old-dkms files.
[18:13] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: I would not try to appky it to older kernels . I do not have any idea of all the hooks that the scripts call when autoremove is invoked .
[18:15] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: ' dpkg -l dkms ' >> <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubu all in updated xenial .
[18:16] <nicomachus> hmmm... 'dpkg -l dkms' here gives 'dpkg-query: no packages found matching dkms'. that's nice.
[18:18] <nicomachus> and 'dkms --version' gives: The program 'dkms' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing sudo apt install dkms
[18:18] <nicomachus> what
[18:18] <nicomachus> now I'm really confused.
[18:22] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Depending on what needs dkms ( display drivers ! ), might be good to install the dkms package .
[18:25] <nicomachus> I'm just wondering how I don't have it... and when that happened.
[18:25] <nicomachus> I know I did at one point.
[18:25] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Hosed up nvidia driver install ?
[18:27] <nicomachus> No nvidia drivers on this laptop.... just integrated intel graphics. My home HTPC, which also no longer has the dkms package, is running the radeon driver.
[18:32] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Maybe now it is a nvidia requiremnt only ?? see: ' spt show dkms ' . Strange here that Dell owns the rights ? " Homepage: http://linux.dell.com/dkms" wow ?
[18:32] <daftykins> O_O
[18:47] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om, https://github.com/dell/dkms/blob/master/dkms
[18:50] <BluesKaj> interesting that it can be freely distributed and mofified under the free software foundation, almost seems like a contradiction when there's a copyright on it
[18:51] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: yea, I'm on a Dell laptop though. So I figured it would be kinda necessary here....
[18:54] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Let me go back and look at your post . I will say that I have a 3.19 kernel that is installed in 17.04 ( upgrade) that autoremove will not touch .
[18:55] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: I deleted a few comments there with logs and added that dkms was removed my machines at some point.
[18:58] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: In BluesKaj's link is a hint as to why " Requires bash 3 or above." .
[18:59] <nicomachus> LOL, this is interesting: https://askubuntu.com/questions/938606/dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-upgrade
[19:03] <daftykins> :>
[19:08] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: I can buy thge 'df' explanation . As I say I have no idea of all the hooks that are called; but for sure all have to be valid ones .
[19:09] <nicomachus> I just love that someone actually came up with a solution to explain it.
[19:10] <daftykins> it is quite impressive to connect the dots
[19:10] <daftykins> and also shows a knowledge of just how lazy users are
[19:13] <Bashing-om> daftykins: But, only inquiring minds want to know :)
[19:27] <oerheks> can one call this a vulnerability?
[19:27] <oerheks> this is just 1 example, df
[19:28] <daftykins> nah, everything can be alias'd wrong and cause drama
[19:29] <oerheks> is an alias check part of clamav?
[19:30] <daftykins> no idea :>
[19:30] <daftykins> all AV is a joke :D
[19:31] <oerheks> if not run from a live-iso, sure.


[00:13] <melodie> good night
[00:15] <infinity> apw: Going through the xenial history ended up being one of those bisects we hate:
[00:15] <infinity> linux-image-4.2.0-19-powerpc64-smp_4.2.0-19.23_powerpc.deb -- good
[00:15] <infinity> linux-image-4.3.0-0-powerpc64-smp_4.3.0-0.9_powerpc.deb -- bad
[00:15] <infinity> apw: So, yay, that's a huge chunk to drill through between them still.
[00:16] <apw> man o man that is a lovely one
[00:17] <apw> we likely have mailine builds in between but it will turn out to be -rc1
[00:20] <infinity> Probably.
[00:22] <infinity> I still need to understand why that ISO didn't work.
[00:22] <infinity> Or maybe I don't need to, because it doesn't make sense.
[00:35] <infinity> apw: https://git.kernel.org/linus/f15838e9cac8f78f0cc506529bb9d3b9fa589c1f
[00:37] <infinity> apw: Please to cherrypick, thanks.
[00:43] <infinity> apw: Pretty please.
[00:49] <infinity> Based on the CC, I'd assume it'll come in via Greg's tree "sometime", but I'd rather that be now. :P
[05:04] <hallyn> lol i've not had a /. account in 15 years, but they found me for their we 've been bought ut email
[05:10] <hallyn> but so i guess my thought wasn't to paper over bugs in the lxc monitor, but rather to make sure you can still list containers and figure out what's going on
[05:13] <hallyn> all right lemme set up a clean system and see if the guy's recipe works for me.  (thogh it seems unlikely)
[05:24] <hallyn> guess i'll leave this running for a few hours.  no hang so far.
[05:34] <stgraber> hallyn: I think you meant for ^ to go to #lxc-dev :)
[06:14] <hallyn> doh
[06:14] <hallyn> my channels done moved
[09:05] <apw> infinity, ack
[09:07] <apw> b 7
[10:32] <caribou> apw: from what I can gather, DASD kernel dump is not triggered automatically but requires operator intervention
[10:51] <apw> caribou: ahh ok, such is life then
[11:46] <cpaelzer> caribou: apw: https://github.com/qemu/s390-tools/blob/master/etc/sysconfig/dumpconf
[11:46] <cpaelzer> caribou: apw: I don't know if we have this in our s390-tools/utils package yet
[11:46] <cpaelzer> caribou: apw: but in genereal one can set dump-on-panic instead of operator intervention
[12:01] <apw> cpaelzer, oh thats better indeed
[12:02] <cpaelzer> apw: yeah, testers usually configure that as step #1 to capture anything that might happen
[12:26] <apw> caribou, did you get access to that s390x instance yet ?  if so would you be able to get me a dmesg off it (for an unrelated bug)
[12:27] <caribou> apw: I should still have access to xnox's instance, lemme check
[12:30] <caribou> apw: just emailed it to you
[12:33] <apw> caribou, thanks
[13:43] <Odd_Bloke> When will linux-hwe-{generic,virtual}-trusty stop pointing at linux-image-{generic,virtual}-lts-utopic?
[13:47] <apw> Odd_Bloke, weeeeel it should alread point to -lts-vivid, but perhaps that ship has sailed
[13:48] <apw> bjf, ^ we should prolly make a plan on how that changes, what the criteria is
[14:32] <apw> xnox, as this could be host tools fooking up the key or the kernel fooking up the key, i have built a cross compiled kernel which would therefore have used the x86 userspace to build the key... would you be able to boot the s390x kernel here sometime:  http://people.canonical.com/~apw/master-next-xenial/
[14:49] <infinity> apw: It should probably change at the same time as point releases go out (since that's when we officially recommend people use the newer HWE stack), but clearly that's not been happening. :P
[14:50] <apw> infinity, right i think the same official position, which did not occur for -v
[14:58] <infinity> apw: Nor -w.
[15:00] <apw> oh yeah, whoops
[17:21] <xnox> apw, BAD
[17:21] <xnox> [    0.687893] Problem loading in-kernel X.509 certificate (-74)
[17:21] <xnox> Linux DEVAC02 4.4.0-14-generic #30~masternext201603151358 SMP Tue Mar 15 13:59:23 UTC 2016 s390x s390x s390x GNU/Linux
[17:21] <apw> ok so not likely to be userspace tools breaking it as those were HOST compiled in that build
[17:22] <xnox> apw, i have rhel system that loads the keys fine...
[17:23] <xnox> apw, here is the config from it http://paste.ubuntu.com/15393512/ if that at all relevant.
[17:25] <xnox> i don't see anything....
[17:26] <apw> xnox, no indeed, i'll start adding debug, i can see nothing obvious
[17:27] <xnox> apw, anyway i can make things faster for you? would you want an ubuntu libvirt-qemu VM or some such?
[17:27] <apw> xnox, if you are happy to test kernels that works for me
[17:27] <xnox> apw, ok =)
[17:29] <xnox> apw, any point in me fetching and trying an older kernel (e.g. 4.3) to check if things used to work back then?
[17:31] <apw> xnox, yep, thats is a good idea, find me a first broke if you can
[17:31] <apw> and i'll add some printks
[17:42] <apw> xnox, ok first debug: http://people.canonical.com/~apw/lp1557250-xenial/
[18:10] <xnox> apw, call trace at http://paste.ubuntu.com/15393871/
[18:10] <xnox> load_system_certificate_list
[18:10] <xnox> or do you want more things from console too?
[18:11] <apw> [    0.678674] preparse -> ret=-74
[18:11] <apw> that is the info i wanted, the call trace it the new bits tim added, so we find out this is happening in the wild if it comes back
[18:11] <apw> rtg, your warn_on_once is working
[18:13] <rtg> apw, getting some stack traces ?
[18:14] <apw> rtg, yep, on s390x where we know it is broke
[18:14] <rtg> apw, did you find any encryption configs that need enabling ?
[18:15] <apw> rtg, nope, still debugging it with xnox
[18:16] <xnox> rtg, yeah no configs diff that we can spot (i compared with e.g. rhel config where certs are loaded)
[18:17] <xnox> apw, is there any vanilla kernel i can try, to see if things are dire upstream? (but i guess we kind of know that now...)
[18:18] <apw> xnox, for s390x ?  no
[18:24] <xnox> ok, i got to go =(
[18:24] <xnox> apw, talk to you later.
[18:25] <apw> xnox, no worries, i'll shove you a new debug kernel and you can get to it when you do
[18:25] <TJ-> is there any plan to include trim/discard support in the zfs driver?
[18:35] <apw> TJ-, is there a bug associated with that ?
[18:35] <apw> so i can check
[18:35] <TJ-> on Launchpad, or on the ZFSonLinux project?
[18:36] <TJ-> I've been following the upstream work and the merge proposal *finally* looks to be ready: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/pull/3656
[18:37] <apw> xnox, there is a new debug kernel in the same place ... have fun
[18:37] <apw> TJ-, if its not a standard feature i am not expecting it to be something on our radar at this time, this being the first lts with this in, its not clearly its a good plan to have anything experimental in there
[18:38] <TJ-> apw: right; it might be worth flagging up in prominent docs about lack of discard/trim support for those that are intending deploying it to SSD systems
[18:39] <TJ-> especially as a major use-case appears to be for supporting containers etc.
[18:39] <apw> TJ-, i am sure anyone buying into zfs would know, but possible i guess
[19:18] <jdstrand> jsalisbury: fyi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1547619/comments/28
[19:19] <jdstrand> jsalisbury: that is *not* the one you mentioned in #27, but rather the one from #24
[19:32] <jsalisbury> jdstrand, thanks for the update.  I'll build the next test kernel
[19:36] <jdstrand> thanks!
[20:38] <smoser> hey
[20:38] <smoser> how much do we care ?
[20:39] <ohsix> 4
[20:39] <smoser> out of 9 ohsix
[20:39] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15395889/
[20:40] <smoser> how much do we care about the stacktrace above ^
[20:40] <smoser> coupled with host kernel dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/15395901/
[20:40] <smoser> that is trusty on xenial through vagrant.
[20:41] <smoser> in the guest this would cauase a hang: cat /proc/8248/cmdline
[20:43] <smoser> rtg, ^ ? i suspect its "not much".
[20:46] <apw> smoser, is taht really on 3.13.0-32 ?  thats like 50 releases behind
[20:46] <rtg> smoser, it is hard for us to do much with vbox
[20:47] <apw> and we had known issues with vbox back in the old days
[20:47] <apw> smoser, why is it booting such an old kernel anyhow ?
[20:47] <smoser> apw, that is a good point.
[20:47] <smoser> the user was booting that old kernel because they did an iso instll (through a tool called packer)
[20:48] <smoser> and the only isos that install a 3.13 get you that level
[20:48] <apw> hrm, so they may have a bit of a chicken/egg issue
[20:50] <smoser> yeah, could be. but in this case it wasnt the intsaller trying to install a newer kernel. the vagrant box that was published had the very old kernel there.
[21:49] <apw> and this is why the pre-canned binary form for things is not a good idea
[23:08] <apw> tjaalton, isnt broadwell supposed to used thei915 you added ??
[23:08] <apw> tjaalton, does not on my lappy
[23:09] <infinity> Is it?  I thought the i915 backport was for skylake.
[23:13] <apw> i think i saw tjaalton say it was for more than skylake


[01:53] <aedend> I think I have znc setup correctly now
[02:29] <cyberanger> aedend: ssl?
[02:29] <aedend> cyberanger, I think so...
[02:32] <aedend> are you talking about the settings for znc?
[02:39]  * Unit193 shrugs.
[02:41] <cyberanger> aedend: Both how you connect to znc, and how znc connects to irc
[02:42] <aedend> cyberanger, It says I'm using a secure connection
[02:43] <Unit193> cyberanger: Guessing not first.
[02:44] <aedend> I use ssl to connect to znc and znc connects to chat.freenode.net 6697
[02:45]  * Unit193 is wrong. \o/
[02:46] <aedend> cyberanger, are you seeing something that would suggest I have it configured wrong?
[02:49] <cyberanger> No, Just bringing it up
[02:49] <cyberanger> You mentioned having it setup, thought it was something you'd want
[02:54] <aedend> I've got all this setup but I don't understand the benefit
[02:55] <Unit193> IRC addicts.
[02:55] <aedend> If I close this client, since I have znc setup I'll still be connected?
[02:55] <Unit193> And you'll see backlog, right.
[02:56] <aedend> ok.
[02:57] <aedend> to test this I just joined ##linux (its pretty busy). If I close this client and come back in 10 minutes
[02:57] <aedend> I should see everything that took place while I was gone
[03:06] <aedend> yeah... I've got something setup wrong. That didn't work
[03:34] <aedend> decided to destroy my droplet and start over...
[03:37] <Unit193> 0_o
[03:39] <aedend> just easier than trying to backtrack hours of configs
[04:17] <cyberanger> Hrm
[04:18]  * cyberanger just fixed his tts issue on android
[04:18] <cyberanger> Read it to me pro seems to no longer work, SpeakMe does
[04:19] <cyberanger> No to set pushbullet back up fully
[04:21] <cyberanger> aedend: do you know which version your running?
[04:32] <aedend> cyberanger, version of what?
[04:32] <cyberanger> znc
[04:32] <aedend> I deleted the droplet... configuring it again atm
[04:32] <cyberanger> Oh right
[14:06] <average_guy> after playing with squid config a bit realized I really don't want all my web traffic flowing through my server seems dangerous
[14:11] <aedend> as opposed to flowing through what?
[14:12] <average_guy> residential gateway (comcast router)
[14:13] <average_guy> the proxy sends traffic thru sever to get cached and on to the client, I dont wanna rek my server
[14:15] <aedend> I'm new to networking but can yo not set up ufw policies
[14:21] <average_guy> If I firewall out the traffic, the proxy would do nothing and if I let the traffic in to be cached there would be who-knows-what on my server
[14:23] <average_guy> think imma call it good and leave it alone a bit, It does transmission, quassel, owncloud, cups, samba, mumble and a couple other things well atm
[14:23] <average_guy> i should quit while i'm ahead
[14:25] <aedend> I guess I was thinking you could set up what traffic you wanted to allow and block everything else.
[14:26] <aedend> can fail2ban jail cached stuff ?
[14:26] <average_guy> I knew what a proxy was, I just didn't think real hard before I started tryin to put it on
[14:26] <aedend> which proxy did you intall
[14:27] <average_guy> squid
[14:28] <average_guy> well squid3, but yeah, I just really don't need it
[14:29] <average_guy> I don't worry about security much but I try not to make my, server expecially, an easy target
[14:31] <aedend> you could monitor your squid proxy access log, if you see a lot of unwanted attempts you could filter those ip's with fail2ban?
[14:32] <aedend> or are we just not on the same page here :/
[14:32] <average_guy> but what if the desired web content IS the malicious code
[14:33] <average_guy> it would go in there and I wouldn't know till it was too late
[14:34] <average_guy> I don't care if the windows pc's get rekt, the server backs them up, I cant lose the server
[14:35] <average_guy> so just seems dangerous to have anything I didnt specifically order going to it
[14:46] <aedend> I agree. And I'm learning all this as I setup my own vps. I was under the impression that fail2ban can be configured with application specific policies to jail unwanted stuff
[14:49] <aedend> without first allowing unwanted traffic in to determine what to ban
[14:50] <average_guy> I'm not an expert either but my problem is with it allowing port 80 traffic in for cache there would be know way to tell good from bad
[14:52] <aedend> sample fail2ban apache policy  https://paste.debian.net/314368/
[14:53] <average_guy> hmm, that does look nice
[14:54] <aedend> here is another one, maybe give you some ideas.  https://paste.debian.net/314370/
[15:01] <average_guy> I broke something :(
[15:02] <average_guy> transmission is running but the client can't connect to it
[15:02] <average_guy> ugh
[15:10] <average_guy> fixed, still dunno why it suddenly broke tho
[15:11] <average_guy> so, the fail2ban policy looks like it can monitior what I have cached and make sure it dosent do anything funny?
[15:12] <aedend> average_guy, I'm not sure. I'm learning as I go setting up this droplet.
[15:13] <average_guy> lol, thats cool I figuring it all out too, linux is a toy to me
[15:14] <average_guy> I have cloud backups of everything important in case I DO rek stuff up
[15:15] <average_guy> wife calls linux my 'nerd game"
[15:22] <aedend> I know the feeling, It's more of a toy for me as well. I really don't have a need for anything I'm doing. I just like learning about it
[15:23] <aedend> plus, I get sucked in when something doesn't work. It becomes personal almost lol, like I have to figure it out
[15:24] <average_guy> it IS facinating. I have been obsessed with computers since they became commercially available
[15:24] <average_guy> I have server hardware and fibre and all kinds of stuff, I like making big complicated SAN configs n stuff just to do it
[15:25] <average_guy> to know how things work
[15:25] <aedend> lol, ok, well, I'm not there yet. Once I start doing something I get caught up in knowing everything about it
[15:26] <aedend> Which is why it takes me so long to get stuff working.
[15:27] <average_guy> I have the plug on unlimited free hardware so I feel almost obligated to do something with it
[15:27] <aedend> I'll start of configuring a firewall, but then I'll start reading about how ufw works, which leads to iptables, which leads to..
[15:27] <aedend> average_guy, you _should_ feel obligated. It is your duty :)
[15:31] <aedend> I get sidetracked. To access my droplet I use ssh (of course). But instead of just connecting I started reading on how ssh-agent works
[19:21] <cyberanger> aedend: you may want to look at mosh too
[22:18] <cyberanger> average_guy: foxyproxy
[22:18] <cyberanger> or PAC files
[22:20] <average_guy> oh woiw, I never seen foxyproxy before cyberanger. Reading now
[22:24] <cyberanger> It's what I use, I want a few specific URI's to go to the UK, to pass a geoip check there
[22:24] <cyberanger> the rest stays in the US, or over tor
[23:42] <aedend> sooo, I got this vps. What now?? If I could owncloud configured so I could not rely on icloud, that would be great
[23:42] <aedend> *get


[13:11] <cmaloney> morning
[13:12] <rick_h_> morn
[13:16] <jrwren> mourn
[13:16] <rick_h_> mourn for your soul...for it is not yet friday
[13:18] <jrwren> hahahaah.  oooh! this friday is the best one all year so far!
[13:43] <cmaloney> what's happening this Drifay?
[13:45] <jrwren> i'm on vaca the following week. no work for a while! ;)
[13:58] <rick_h_> jrwren: doing anything away/fun?
[13:58] <rick_h_> jrwren: or stay-cationing it up?
[13:58] <rick_h_> jrwren: speaking of, wtf. How do you get so many date nights lately? Did you win free childcare for the year? :P
[13:58] <jrwren> staying...
[13:58] <jrwren> rick_h_: the kid is old. she spent a week with grandparents.
[13:58] <jrwren> rick_h_: now she is at summer camp.
[13:59] <rick_h_> jrwren: how old now?
[13:59] <jrwren> 9yo
[13:59] <jrwren> in a few yrs she'll be good to stay home alone. date night all the time! ;]
[13:59] <rick_h_> lol
[13:59] <rick_h_> we were joking about needing to get our kid driving so he can pick us up from the bar
[13:59] <jrwren> hahahaha
[14:00] <jrwren> that beats calling an uber.
[14:00] <rick_h_> "best wine tour evar!"
[14:00] <rick_h_> well, not a ton of uber out here
[14:00] <jrwren> yeah, I can imagine.
[14:01] <jrwren> rick_h_: i took my kid to bfast at a cafe a couple weeks ago and it reminded me of the Baldwin Cafe. Ever go there?
[14:01] <rick_h_> no, /me goes to look up
[14:02] <jrwren> at the corner of baldwin and walden
[14:02] <rick_h_> yea, just see it
[14:02] <jrwren> it was the only place around when I was growing up.
[14:03] <jrwren> My sister tells me it is now the setting of a TV show.
[14:16] <cmaloney> really?
[14:18] <jrwren> yeah, some indie show that airs at 3am.
[14:18] <jrwren> cmaloney: google it, you will see.
[14:19] <cmaloney> *eyeroll*
[14:19] <cmaloney> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4900308/


[02:13] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:14] <guiverc> G'day lotuspsychje
[02:14] <lotuspsychje> heya guiverc
[02:19] <guiverc> roughly every fornight I reboot & boot into my other OS (ubuntu development & lts), and am just back in devel after awhile (update etc) on LTS.  I reboot (from noble) & get grub, select lts etc...  all good, then reboot again & return to GRUB & STUNNED-MULLET-expression, I always reackon grub has changed after using LTS (on this box)..   does that sound reasonable?  or I'm just losing what little of my mind I have left  (I don't see that
[02:19] <guiverc> behavior on other boxes.. i wonder if the update-grub causes the change; expect change only on grub-install I don't use unless required)
[02:27] <lotuspsychje> not sure i follow what happens exactly guiverc whats the bottleneck exactly?
[02:31] <lotuspsychje> you got a box with 2 ubuntus?
[02:33] <guiverc> most of my boxes are dual boot.. LTS & development/latest a common combination (always have a backup should I stuff my used version..)
[02:34] <guiverc> no problem.. just grub appears to change AFTER i boot jammy & `apt full-upgrade` -- which seems to alter the grub look after reboot.. given I reboot only fornightly; I don't see if often & maybe just confuse how grub looks on this box contrasted with others I boot far more regularly...
[02:34] <guiverc> & thanks lotuspsychje
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> you mean you get a grub menu? or what changed?
[02:35] <guiverc> the appearance of grub changes; the lubuntu-grub-theme was very apparant after using LTS; I'd not noticed it at all before booting LTS (this install was made with xubuntu media)
[02:36] <lotuspsychje> ah
[02:36] <lotuspsychje> think thats gonna be a case for EriC^^ :p
[02:37] <guiverc> maybe just my mind got distracted.. I'd need to reboot & try again (when updates are available).. & i'll wonder the same thing in 12-16 days probably  (when I'm next due to do same thing, unless prompted to do it sooner for some reason)
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> i had a grub issue on my nuc once it wasnt entering grub, so i changed it so the menu appears with a 5sec timeout
[02:43] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: So, I think I know what's going on. Every now and then, a security upgrade to grub happens, and it installs over the old one (in either your boot/efi/EFI or your MBR), which will alter the look to your grub depending on if it were changed between the LTS or the dev release.
[02:44] <guiverc> that would explain what I see Eickmeyer , esp. as I DO NOT always notice it & thus can pick pattern.. if after some updates (plus my irregular timely reboot/switch) I would not notice the pattern thus the stunned-mullet bewilderment I'm expressing.
[02:45] <guiverc> (that maybe makes little-no sense sorry..)


[00:00] <ddecator> micahg, if you're around it's a firefox bug ^
[00:01] <bcurtiswx> ddecator: i put back to private for now
[00:01] <ddecator> bcurtiswx, alright thanks
[00:01] <micahg> ddecator: yeah, we can't do anything until the retracer looks at it, so if you see something public with a coredump, make private and explain why
[00:02] <ddecator> can bugsquad make them private? i thought bugcontrol had to do that
[00:02] <hggdh> anyone that has access can
[00:02] <ddecator> good to know
[02:00] <Roxyhart0> hi ddecator, i see my report of bug unasigned...nobody is cheking this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/522482
[02:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 522482 in samba (Ubuntu) "Domain Members can not join to Samba DC (ubuntu 9.10). (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[02:01] <ddecator> Roxyhart0, micahg probably just forgot to this morning. i can remind him when he gets back, otherwise someone else on here might see this and be able to look over it as well
[02:03] <Roxyhart0> thanks a lot, i really need solve this problem soon
[02:03] <ddecator> anyone familiar with samba here?
[02:28] <ddecator> micahg, did you get a chance to look at that samba report this morning?
[02:29] <micahg> ddecator: yeah, unfortunately it doesn't look like the same bug that I was refered to last night
[02:29] <micahg> needs more research
[02:29] <ddecator> Roxyhart0, ^
[02:30]  * micahg double checks the upstream bug
[02:31] <micahg> well, I might have been looking at the wrong upstream bug, but the one I was looking at certainly isn't it
[02:33] <bcurtiswx> backporting is harsh :P
[02:37] <Roxyhart0> is this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/522482
[02:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 522482 in samba (Ubuntu) "Domain Members can not join to Samba DC (ubuntu 9.10). (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[02:37] <Roxyhart0> look very similar to the before
[02:37] <micahg> Roxyhart0: it looks like the old bug that ddecator posted?
[02:37] <micahg> or the one in the message?
[02:38] <ddecator> micahg, yah, i didn't really look at it, Roxyhart0 found it as a possibility so i thought i'd put it on there for you to look over
[02:38] <ddecator> idk anything about samba so i had no idea if it was related or not
[02:38] <micahg> Roxyhart0: how familiar are you with samba?
[02:40] <Roxyhart0> no too much bu i got running 3 server just domain member server, this one is domain controler
[02:41] <micahg> Roxyhart0: if I show you the changelog for 3.4.1, you think you can tell me which bug is yours?
[02:42] <Roxyhart0> ait a min
[02:46] <ddecator> so my guess is, if a bug -seems- to be fixed in lucid, but the exact cause of the bug in karmic isn't known, then it can't be marked "fix released" since we can't know for sure that one was?
[02:46] <Roxyhart0> it is similat t this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/164544
[02:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 164544 in samba (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Error while join to domain (Unable to create machine account)" [Undecided,Triaged]
[02:48] <micahg> ddecator: right
[02:48] <ddecator> thought so, thanks micahg
[02:48] <micahg> Roxyhart0: here's the changelog for 3.4.1, if you can tell me which bug, I can see about making you a test package to see if it's fixed: http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.4.1.html
[02:51] <Roxyhart0> i think is this onw, but i can not even join my ourn PDC...maybe this one as well    o Fix Winbind authentication issue (bug #6646).
[02:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 6646 in trac (Ubuntu) "trac: merge new debian version" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6646
[02:51] <Roxyhart0> i try to join my windows client i i couldnt...i just translate the ldp database form the old server to this new one
[02:52] <micahg> Roxyhart0: that's what I thought too, but the fix is due to a timeout
[02:57] <Roxyhart0> sorry what do you mean?
[03:00] <micahg> idk, I'm not that familiar with samba
[03:00]  * micahg can make a test package and you can see if it helps
[03:06] <Roxyhart0> :( please dont tell me that
[03:08] <Roxyhart0> there are new than can be a update relaible like you said yesterday?
[03:09] <micahg> Roxyhart0: if it works, then I can see about pushing it through normal update channels, I don't know if this wil fix your issue, so I can't propose it...
[03:10] <micahg> I can push to a PPA for you to test with if you want
[03:10] <micahg> this will be the only change
[03:10] <Roxyhart0> ah ok
[03:15] <micahg> Roxyhart0: i386 or amd64?
[03:16] <micahg> nm, they're all going :)
[03:16] <Roxyhart0> i have both
[03:16] <micahg> Roxyhart0: should be ready in about a half hour
[03:17] <Roxyhart0> thanks a lot!!!
[03:17] <micahg> Roxyhart0: remember, this is a test, so I would do it off hours :)
[03:20] <Roxyhart0> i am not using samba at the moment ...i think is whould not broke my slapd configuration?
[03:20] <Roxyhart0> shouln't i mean
[03:21]  * micahg doesn't know...that's the problem :)
[03:21] <micahg> the patch is 5 lines: https://bugzilla.samba.org/attachment.cgi?id=4667&action=edit
[03:21] <micahg> https://bugzilla.samba.org/attachment.cgi?id=4667
[03:25] <Roxyhart0> sorry what it means? the solution or i need to wait for the half hour that you say?
[03:40] <micahg> Roxyhart0: the package will be ready in about 15 minutes
[03:40] <Roxyhart0> thanks a lot
[03:47] <PRab> I just read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance and am now trying to decide what to assign to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/522425
[03:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 522425 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install crashes after choosing custom partitions. (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[03:48] <PRab> does high make sense because "Makes a default Ubuntu installation generally unusable for some users"
[04:34] <micahg> Roxyhart0: the package is in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/patch-test
[04:35] <nigelb> how often does package status update itself?
[04:35] <nigelb> the qa.ubuntu.com site..
[04:37] <micahg> the graphs approx every hour
[04:37] <micahg> the stats I think are out of date
[04:38] <micahg> nigelb: bug 520802
[04:38] <nigelb> yea.  been wondering how the numbers dont go down after 1 week of working on old bugs
[04:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 520802 in ubuntu-qa-website "sidebar stats not updated since 2010-01-23 (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520802
[04:39] <nigelb> micahg: ah, thanks :)
[04:39] <nigelb> micahg: shall I confirm?
[04:39] <micahg> nigelb: go ahead :)
[04:39] <micahg> maybe someone will fix it :)
[04:40] <nigelb> micahg: probably poke brian?
[04:41] <micahg> nigelb: probably tomorrow :)
[04:41] <nigelb> hm :)
[04:41]  * micahg figures everyone's busy
[04:41] <nigelb> micahg: the bug I fixed yday got sponsored :)
[04:41] <micahg> nigelb: great :)
[04:42] <nigelb> yeah, its busy days
[04:42] <nigelb> release time is getting closer
[04:42] <Roxyhart0> micahg, so what i nee is copy this two lijnes in one file and then do apt-get update ?
[04:43] <micahg> Roxyhart0: on karmic you can use sudo add-apt-repository
[04:44] <Roxyhart0> ok, sorry abot thw qautions but i forgot whow is cal the file where i need to add this lines ...:S
[04:44] <Roxyhart0> how is called
[04:45] <micahg> Roxyhart0: you can just do sudo add-apt-repository ppa:micahg/patch-test
[04:45] <Roxyhart0> sorry the splelling im sleeping
[04:45] <Roxyhart0> thanks
[04:46] <micahg> Roxyhart0: it'll add a file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that you can either edit or delete when you're doen testing
[04:47] <Roxyhart0> okis
[04:52] <Roxyhart0> ok, i just did the command that you say, so i should just restart samba?
[04:52] <micahg> Roxyhart0: no, that just adds the ppa
[04:52] <micahg> you need to upgrade samba to the package in my ppa
[04:53] <micahg> Roxyhart0: make sure you don't grab my phpmyadmin version :)
[04:56] <Roxyhart0> sorry micahg but it is the first time that in do it. Is just see you file, what i need to do now?
[04:56] <micahg> Roxyhart0: apt-get update
[04:56] <micahg> then upgrade the samba pacakge
[04:58] <Roxyhart0> it is doing now
[04:59] <micahg> I was just warning not to grab phpmyadmin as that's teh prerelease version
[05:03] <Roxyhart0> ok, it is done
[05:04] <Roxyhart0> so just restart samba :S
[05:04] <Roxyhart0> ?
[05:04] <Roxyhart0> what about phpldaoadmin i am using that ...
[05:10] <micahg> Roxyhart0: I don't have that packaged in tehre, so not to worry
[05:11] <micahg> Roxyhart0: doesn't the install restart it?
[05:11] <Roxyhart0> no apparently
[05:11] <micahg> Roxyhart0: I guess so
[05:14] <Roxyhart0> :( i just restart samba and i did again net rpc join -Uuser%pass and i got the same problem :(
[05:15] <Roxyhart0> do i nee reboot the server?
[05:15] <micahg> Roxyhart0: yeah, so it's probably not that fix
[05:16] <micahg> Roxyhart0: I would downgrade the package to be safe then
[05:16] <micahg> and get rid of my ppa in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[05:16] <Roxyhart0> what do you mean take off the package?
[05:17] <micahg> Roxyhart0: I suggest asking in #ubuntu-server tomorrow and show them the changelog for 3.4.1 and see if they know which bug it is
[05:17] <micahg> Roxyhart0: install the karmic version of samba
[05:17] <Roxyhart0> i did they dont say nothing and i got 2 bosses ask my for that now
[05:20] <linshine> anyone using karmic, update-motd?
[05:22] <micahg> Roxyhart0: I might be able the latest samba to my PPA
[05:25] <micahg> no, I can't do that easily
[05:28] <micahg> Roxyhart0: I'll ask on the ML to see if there are any samba people in bugsquad
[05:32] <micahg> Roxyhart0: posted
[05:33] <micahg> Roxyhart0: I wish I could do more, but I have to work on some other stuff
[05:33] <micahg> Roxyhart0: I'll let you know if someone replies to the request or hopefully, you'll see updates in teh bug :)
[05:50] <Roxyhart0> im big troubles now
[05:52] <micahg> Roxyhart0: why?
[05:53] <Roxyhart0> my boss are in my office
[05:54] <micahg> and they want it fixed?
[05:59] <Roxyhart0> yes
[06:00] <Roxyhart0> because the old server crush...and i am configurating this new server but the rest of the server that was file filver can not connect to this one which is PdC so every services is down
[06:01] <micahg> Roxyhart0: oh, that's bad, I didn't know it was that serious
[06:01] <micahg> I would've sent the mail yesterday
[06:01] <Roxyhart0> i mean i got domain member server and clients that cant not see file serves at all
[06:01] <Roxyhart0> and print server
[06:02] <Roxyhart0> because i didnt know that was a bug
[06:03] <Roxyhart0> and i was asking and asking differents forums and googling it
[06:04] <micahg> Roxyhart0: I can only backport up to 3.4.3 easily, but there are security concerns as well
[06:07] <Roxyhart0> like what?
[06:08] <micahg> there have been several vulnerabilities found and patched since that release
[06:09] <Roxyhart0> uff
[06:13] <kklimonda> I'd say if it is that urgent you could build the current samba package from lucid and give it a go
[06:14] <micahg> kklimonda: source format 3 :(
[06:14] <kklimonda> argh
[06:14] <Roxyhart0> what i can do?
[06:18] <kklimonda> Roxyhart0: you'll probably have to build samba from source if no one steps in
[06:19] <kklimonda> Roxyhart0: you couldn't get no one from #ubuntu-server to take a look at it?
[06:23] <Roxyhart0> micahg what do you recomend i can do?
[06:24] <micahg> Roxyhart0: I can try to build 3.4.3 for you with the security patches until we can figure out what the issue is...
[06:24] <micahg> Roxyhart0: is anyone using the system now?
[06:25] <Roxyhart0> just ldap which is in the same machine
[06:25] <Roxyhart0> if it doesn broke ldap I can try
[06:25] <micahg> so, we can test a version to see if it works without worrying?
[06:25] <Roxyhart0> yes
[06:25] <Roxyhart0> samba is not working so we can try
[06:26] <Roxyhart0> but is it doesn ruin ldap
[06:26] <micahg> idk, that's the problem
[06:27] <Roxyhart0> if i cant do wbinfo -u is it because i cant join my PDC to the domain?
[06:27] <micahg> idk, I wish I had answers
[06:27]  * micahg normally works on firefox bugs
[06:28] <Roxyhart0> can i install a samba PDC in a machine different to the LDAP server?
[06:28] <micahg> you can try asking in #ubuntu-server, idk
[06:28] <kklimonda> Roxyhart0: yes
[06:29] <kklimonda> samba doesn't really care where ldap server is as long as it's configured correctly
[06:45] <Roxyhart08> micahg can you or sombody work in my bug?
[06:46] <micahg> Roxyhart08: if someone gives me a patch, I'm happy to make a package, alternatively, I can try to build a later version for you, but I can't do it right now...I need to finish up some work
[07:08] <Roxyhart08> please
[08:35] <edakiri> how can I add the package update-initramfs as being affected by a bug?
[08:54]  * abogani waves
[08:55] <abogani> Sorry to bother you. Could anyone renew my membership to BugSquad Team? Thanks!
[09:08] <thekorn> abogani, you need to talk to one of the teams administrators
[09:10] <abogani> thekorn: I already sent emails on every team admin: No replay.
[09:10] <abogani> s/replay/reply
[09:16] <thekorn> abogani, what's you lp login? abogani I guess?
[09:16] <abogani> thekorn: Exactly.
[09:18] <thekorn> abogani, looks like your membership expires in 2011, so no need for an action right now
[09:18] <thekorn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/378223/
[09:20] <abogani> thekorn:  Do you have done something?
[09:20] <thekorn> abogani, no, nothing
[09:21] <abogani> thekorn: I really received that: "On 2010-02-18, seven days from now, your membership
[09:21] <abogani> in the Ubuntu BugSquad (bugsquad) Launchpad team
[09:21] <abogani> is due to expire."  <-- It is automatic email message form LP.
[09:23] <thekorn> yes, you recieved this message 7 days ago, and someone must have renewed your membership since then
[09:26] <abogani> I know from my membership in other Team that LP should notify it (renew approved) to me.... I never received the notification. In any case it is also good.
[09:26] <abogani> thekorn: Thanks and sorry for disturb.
[09:26] <thekorn> no problemo ;)
[09:29] <thekorn> bdmurray, hi, I just checked the list of administrators of the bugsquad team, out of curiosity, do you know why sfllaw is still admin of this team, I have not seen him around for a long time,
[09:30] <thekorn> not sure if it makes sense to have him as admin
[09:30] <thekorn> bdmurray, nice presentation, btw
[09:37] <Roxyhart08> hi micahg is not here but he worte me that: <micahg> Roxyhart0: I can only backport up to 3.4.3 easily, but there are security concerns as well
[09:38] <Roxyhart08> how i can get from ubuntu 9.10
[09:38] <Roxyhart08> ?
[10:02] <Roxyhart08> somebody there?
[10:06] <BUGabundo_remote> nope, no one
[11:45] <RoadRunnR> hi, i need a bit of help and review of a very strange bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/453330
[11:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 453330 in bash (Ubuntu) "[Karmic] pipes are somewhat brocken (affects: 1)" [Medium,Incomplete]
[11:46] <RoadRunnR> it's filed under bash, but it really could be almost anything kernel, libc, gzip, tar or bash...
[12:07] <kamusin> :)
[12:37] <radoe> RoadRunnR: Does not seem to be a bash problem, happens with sh and ksh to. Also, it does not fail all the time, I have cases (on the same system) where it works.
[12:41] <RoadRunnR> radoe: the problem seems a bit random, once it has happened on one of my systems, it continues to occur until i reboot the box, then sometimes it will be ok and sometimes it still happens
[12:48] <radoe> RoadRunnR: I have some "cycles" when I run it from the same shell: it starts working a few times, then fails a few times, works again, fails again and so on. But i can't see a common pattern whether it fails or works.
[12:49] <RoadRunnR> radoe: if run some more tries, in about 5% of the cases it works for me, but only one time, followed by 10 to 20 non working runs
[12:51] <RoadRunnR> radoe: i used the simplified case: tar tvzf - < data.tar.gz ; echo $?
[13:06] <RoadRunnR> radoe: from my nonworking tracing, it seems that gzip tries to write to the pipe to tar, but can't deliver all the data, but tar decides is has gotten everything from gzip and terminates, at this point the pipe between tar and gzip is broken and a SIGPIPE error occurs
[13:07] <RoadRunnR> if the working case, gzip is able to deliver all data to tar in one go and exits before tar tries to exit, so the pipe is properly closed and everything is fine
[13:07] <radoe> RoadRunnR: looks a little bit like http://bugs.debian.org/533356
[13:07] <RoadRunnR> this would point to a problem with how tar is handling the pipe
[13:08] <radoe> RoadRunnR: and yes, I see the same SIGPIPE throwing up to the shell in the nonworking cases.
[13:11] <radoe> RoadRunnR: I will reassign this bug to tar, link the debian bug report and adjust the subject?
[13:11] <RoadRunnR> radoe: or more like this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=532570
[13:11] <ubot4> Debian bug 532570 in tar "tar - relies on standard SIGPIPE behaviour" [Grave,Fixed]
[13:12] <RoadRunnR> radoe: just installed the lucid version of tar on my test systems, now it is working everytime
[13:15] <RoadRunnR> radoe: could also be http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=525818
[13:15] <ubot4> Debian bug 525818 in tar "tar: closes file stream before real EOF" [Normal,Fixed]
[13:16] <radoe> RoadRunnR: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=525818
[13:16] <radoe> RoadRunnR: O yes, you got this too.
[13:17] <RoadRunnR> ;-)
[13:17] <RoadRunnR> radoe: i'll have to leave now, got an appointment, thanks for your help on this! :-)
[13:18] <radoe> RoadRunnR: most likely it is #525818
[13:42] <kyubutsu> having issue resuming from suspend, screen too dim on ac power. what package is associated with that
[13:43] <edakiri> kyubutsu: there is a setting in the power panel.  have you done a bug search yet?
[13:43] <kyubutsu> i want a hint about package for that reason
[13:44] <edakiri> good reason.
[13:44] <edakiri> 1 moment
[13:45] <BUGabundo_remote> for gnome gnome-power-manager
[13:45] <BUGabundo_remote> kyubutsu: ^^^^
[13:45] <kyubutsu> 10-4
[13:45] <BUGabundo_remote> you gonna need a debug log
[13:46] <BUGabundo_remote> the steps are on the GPM wiki
[13:46] <BUGabundo_remote> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager
[13:47] <kyubutsu> input gpm or gnome-power-management dont return anything about it on launchpad search.. i'll check that link too
[13:52] <kyubutsu> duh.. spelling matters .. search ok for gnome-power-manager
[14:03] <kyubutsu> so far i think i got bug 451282 .. need further testing as far as adjusting brightness levels after resuming and etc
[14:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 451282 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "display is fully dimmed after resume from suspend (affects: 26) (dups: 4)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451282
[14:07] <BUGabundo_remote> that's a dupe
[14:07] <BUGabundo_remote> but I guess its up to mpt to look at them
[14:08] <kyubutsu> well this dupe has 4 dupes
[14:08] <kyubutsu> anyhow, it accurately describes my issue
[14:22] <kyubutsu> should i use $ubuntu-bug when the bug actually happens?
[14:23] <BUGabundo_remote> won't help
[14:23] <BUGabundo_remote> and just make spam to it
[14:23] <BUGabundo_remote> use the debug wiki, collect what it asks, add to the bug
[16:29] <bdmurray> thekorn: I've unmade him an admin, thanks for pointing this out.  Additionally, thanks regarding the presentation!
[16:40] <nigelb> Can someone change bug 521474 to Wont Fix.  Upstream says they only include ogg vorbis support and cbc seems to have removed them
[16:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 521474 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "CBC Radio 1 & 2 Live Feeds need updating (affects: 1)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521474
[16:41] <genii> The moveable divider between nicks and text doesn't become moveable unless I first move the hand icon to the right then back again onto the divider. Is this by design?
[16:42] <genii> Sory, meant for #quassel
[16:44] <nigelb> hggdh_: ^
[16:44] <hggdh_> nigelb: looking
[16:45] <nigelb> :)
[16:45] <hggdh_> nigelb: where is the comment in the bug about that? ;-)
[16:45] <nigelb> hggdh_: in the upstream bug
[16:45] <nigelb> gnome 609916
[16:45] <ubot4> Gnome bug 609916 in Internet Radio "CBC Radio 1 & 2 Live Feeds need updating" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609916
[16:45] <hggdh_> yes, but it is not refected locally...
[16:46] <hggdh_> reflected
[16:46] <hggdh_> adding it in, and marking wontfix as requested
[16:46] <nigelb> thank you :)
[16:49] <nigelb> hggdh_: that is one bug down :p
[16:49] <nigelb> been working on the rhythmbox bugs for a week now and I've closed only 2 ;)
[16:50] <hggdh_> nigelb: when upstream closes a bug, but it is not refrected down to us, we should add a local comment about it -- otherwise all people will see is 'closed with no reasoning'
[16:50] <hggdh_> yes, I know, it is in the upstream bug, but we are in LP...
[16:50] <nigelb> I hoped you'd add it ;)
[16:50] <hggdh_> oh boy, I simply cannot write reflectde right :-(
[16:50] <hggdh_> dammit
[16:50] <nigelb> lol
[16:51] <nigelb> bdmurray: um, status.qa.ubuntu.com is not getting updated?
[16:53] <bdmurray> ogasawara: ^ the xml files are a bit stale
[16:53] <nigelb> okay, the graphs are but not the information on the sidebar
[16:53] <bdmurray> nigelb: that's a bug right?
[16:53] <nigelb> yep
[16:53] <bdmurray> nigelb: I mean there is a bug number for that ;-)
[16:53] <nigelb> we already logged one I believe
[16:54] <nigelb> bug 520802
[16:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 520802 in ubuntu-qa-website "sidebar stats not updated since 2010-01-23 (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520802
[17:16] <Laibsch> Can somebody confirm bug 523298 on different hardware or otherwise give some valuable hints for triage?
[17:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 523298 in ubuntu "suspending the lid on an ASUS 1001P cuts off USB (affects: 1)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/523298
[17:39] <bdmurray> mvo: could you look at bug 288912?
[17:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 288912 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Two spaces in "About 1 hour remaining" (affects: 1)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/288912
[17:51] <charlie-tca> Ummm, somewhere along the way, we seemed to have removed all trouble-shooting techniques and response information for the alternate images.
[17:59] <seb128> bdmurray, why did you raise the packagekit bug as a canonical desktop team one?
[17:59] <seb128> bdmurray, it's only a warning, not affecting the default installation and has 0 duplicate
[18:03] <bdmurray> seb128: because it seemed to have been fixed and then unfixed
[18:04] <seb128> hum ok
[18:04] <seb128> I will let pitti comment on this one ;-)
[18:08] <mvo> bdmurray: looking
[18:13] <bdmurray> ogasawara: hey there, the xml files for status.qa.ubuntu.com are a bit stale
[18:14] <ogasawara> bdmurray: was about to check on that
[19:30] <ogasawara> bdmurray: pkg stats should be up to date now
[19:30] <bdmurray> ogasawara: cool, there was a bug about that if you want to close it
[19:31] <ogasawara> bdmurray: do you have the bug# by chance?
[19:31]  * ogasawara scrolls back
[19:32] <bdmurray> bug 520802
[19:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 520802 in ubuntu-qa-website "sidebar stats not updated since 2010-01-23 (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520802
[19:33] <ogasawara> bdmurray: thanks (power was out at home so I couldn't get to my machine with the backlog)
[20:22] <hggdh> bdmurray: what do you think should be done for bug 523327?
[20:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 523327 in bughugger (Ubuntu) "bughugger crashed with AttributeError in __init__() (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/523327
[20:49] <bdmurray> hggdh: so the httplib2 bug is not fixed in 0.6.0 or at least that patch is not in it
[20:49] <bdmurray> hggdh: additionally I think (2) should be a couchdb bug report
[20:58] <hggdh> bdmurray: yes, I agree, but I do not know enough about bughugger & couchdb to be sure. I will split them
[22:14] <hggdh> micahg: how to debug fairefox 3.6 failure to start?
[22:15] <micahg> hggdh: try a new profile
[22:15] <micahg> hggdh: or try safe mode
[22:15] <hggdh> trying profilemanager now
[22:17] <hggdh> yes, bad profile
[22:17] <hggdh> is there any way of recovering part of the profile?
[22:17] <micahg> hggdh: you can try --safe-mode
[22:17] <hggdh> will do
[22:18] <hggdh> yay, safe-mode works. So now to pinpoint the issue...
[22:18] <micahg> hggdh: it's an addon then
[22:18] <hggdh> sounds like
[22:18] <hggdh> oops -- safe-mode defaulted to the new profile
[22:18] <micahg> heh
[22:19] <micahg> run profile manager and tell it to ask every time
[22:19] <hggdh> yes
[22:29] <hggdh> micahg: interwsting -- (1) run firefox --safe-mode, do nothing & close; run firefox -- it runs, do nothing & close; (3) run firefox again -- it fails
[22:29] <micahg> hggdh: it might not have closed
[22:30] <seb128> hggdh, uninstall greasemonkey
[22:30] <micahg> oh, right. that's that ug
[22:30] <micahg> *bug\
[22:30] <hggdh> oh
[22:30] <hggdh> will try it now
[22:33] <hggdh> no, not greasmonkey
[22:34] <micahg> then the greasemonkey bug might not be greasemonkey, but soemthing else..
[22:34] <seb128> uninstalling the xul...greasemonkey package worked for several users
[22:34] <seb128> it worked there
[22:34] <seb128> it might not be specific to greasemonkey though
[22:35] <hggdh> still trying, and reducing my add-ons drastically ;-)
[22:35] <micahg> seb128: can you tell me if bug 452938 is the same as bug 410407?
[22:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 452938 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Left mouse button click in (java|flash) does not work. (affects: 18)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452938
[22:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 410407 in flashplugin-nonfree (Debian) (and 8 other projects) "Clicking on items in Flash player does nothing [READ DESCRIPTION] (affects: 636) (dups: 39)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410407
[22:35] <seb128> it seems similar
[22:37] <micahg> seb128: is it worth merging, or should I just subscribe to upstream gnome?
[22:38] <hggdh> after I removed the prism* packages, it seems to be working now
[22:38] <micahg> hggdh: yeah, prism from archive isn't compatible with 3.6
[22:39] <hggdh> yes, but it should not fail firefox
[22:39] <micahg> hggdh: well, idk what code is in there, it might
[22:39] <hggdh> there is that, yes
[22:39] <micahg> I'll be updating to beta 3 soon
[22:39] <hggdh> adding GM back now, and testing
[22:40] <hggdh> yes, seems to be working. Interesting that prism had been there for a while
[22:42] <hggdh> ah well. Go figure. At least I was able to save my profile :-)
[22:42] <seb128> micahg, no real opinion
[22:42] <seb128> you can merge the bugs I guess
[22:43] <micahg> seb128: which way?
[22:43] <seb128> micahg, whatever is easier
[22:43] <seb128> or keep the one with the better comments open
[22:43] <micahg> seb128: k, thanks
[23:40] <Roxyhart0> Goog Morning micahg any news?
[23:40] <Roxyhart0> good
[23:42] <micahg> Roxyhart0: I was going to ask you the same thing...seems like you got some answers last night
[23:42] <micahg> unfortunately, no one responded on the ml
[23:43] <micahg> hggdh: you know anything about samba?
[23:43] <Roxyhart0> nah, i just wanted to update to 3.4.5
[23:43] <Roxyhart0> i just download the package but i dont know how install it
[23:43] <hggdh> micahg: not yet, not much (don't have that many Windows to work with)
[23:43] <hggdh> ml...  let me have a look
[23:44] <micahg> hggdh: bugsquad
[23:44] <micahg> Roxyhart0: the checkinstall package can make a deb for you I think
[23:44] <hggdh> go tiy
[23:44] <hggdh> got it
[23:47] <hggdh> micahg: there are two fixes that *might* be related to the bug
[23:48] <hggdh> 6650 and 6646
[23:48] <hggdh> this seems to be the issue -- authentication fails
[23:48] <micahg> Roxyhart0: By the way, an update was pushed to karmic-proposed today with some fixes
[23:49] <Roxyhart0> ok, i will try
[23:49] <Roxyhart0> that first
[23:50] <micahg> well, the patch for 6650 is small
[23:52] <micahg> hggdh: can you see if this matches the bug desc: https://bugzilla.samba.org/attachment.cgi?id=4582
[23:54] <Roxyhart0> no still the same problem!!!
[23:55] <Roxyhart0> i am wondering if i am the only person that have this problem or is something else, my samba is working and validating users and group the only problem is i cant join machines to the domain, even the PDC
[23:55] <hggdh> micahg: it might -- the patch resolves an user authentication failure. Per the bug, the OP is trying to join the domain. The auth failure might be due to user auth
[23:56] <micahg> Roxyhart0: well, I can try to add teh patch hggdh suggested to see if it fixes it
[23:56] <Roxyhart0> please...
[23:56] <hggdh> note that this all depends on having winbind running or not
[23:56] <Roxyhart0> yes is running
[23:57] <micahg> well, than 6650 won't fix it as that's for when winbind isnt' running
[23:57] <hggdh> then this is not it
[23:57] <Roxyhart0> ??
[23:58] <hggdh> next bug is more cryptic, I need to read more
[23:59] <micahg> hggdh: maybe you can take over trying to help with this bug, I have a few things to finish this evening
[23:59] <hggdh> will do
[23:59] <micahg> hggdh: if you find a patch, I'm happy to throw an update together
[23:59] <micahg> hggdh: thanks :)
[23:59] <hggdh> welcome
[23:59] <Roxyhart0> for that problem?
[23:59] <Roxyhart0> my bug?


[00:31] <chilts> scud missile?
[00:31] <chilts> I think our first is gonna pop on my Dad's birthday (1st Oct)
[00:32] <chilts> 4 weeks 'til EDD
[01:49] <snail> chilts: have you done the antenatal thing?
[02:03] <chilts> snail: yeah, had two lots of Sundays a few weeks back
[02:04] <snail> chilts: i recommend working on keeping the group going. Theo is now eight months old and the antenatal group has been really, really good
[02:04] <chilts> sounds good ... I think we'll be having a meet up sometime after all the babies have arrived
[02:04] <chilts> though I think we may try and see a couple of others before that
[02:11] <snail> chilts: also a good group to talk about which shops have baby equipment sales on this week
[02:12] <snail> oh, and grats, by the way
[02:12]  * olly gets a glimpse into a whole different world
[02:13] <chilts> snail: thanks :)
[02:15] <snail> chilts: also it's a great group to share baby photos with without turning off all your current friends
[02:15] <snail> chilts: and just in case no one has warned you: you know they look like aliens when they come out, right?
[02:17] <hads> heh
[02:19] <chilts> snail: yep, we saw lots of alien types in the antenatel classes, though I kinda expect it'll be weird in a few different ways :)
[02:52] <snail> chilts: they're all weird in different ways, they're people after all
[03:10] <ibeardslee> don't they just start off as noisy poo machines?
[03:11] <snail> ibeardslee: for the first couple of days it's not poo but tar; after that they become poo machines
[03:12] <snail> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meconium
[03:13] <snail> chilts: have you done the 'i really shouldn't have google imaged that' thing yet?
[03:54] <chilts> snail: I do that all the time
[03:54] <chilts> wait, what?
[03:54] <chilts> :)
[03:55] <chilts> but yes, we've talked about all that stuff and I've seen much of it with my neices and nephew anyway :)
[19:05] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:01] <Atamira> morning
[20:18] <snail> morning
[20:18] <snail> i'm guessing the bad power / lightening strike was campus-local rather than wellington wide?
[20:20] <ibeardslee> must have been
[20:20] <ibeardslee> although there seem to be other problems going on related to the breeze
[20:20] <ibeardslee> power is out to the signals on the Hutt Valley train line
[20:24] <snail> to be honest the bad power here could have been construction
[20:26] <ajmitch> morning
[21:06] <mwhudson> morning
[21:10] <snail> chilts: following up from yesterday, I recommend a breast-feeding app. my wife lives and dies by one
[22:56] <chilts> morning
[22:56] <olly> morning
[22:56] <chilts> snail: ah, yeah, I've seen a few people use one of those
[22:56] <chilts> which one do you use?
[23:01] <mwhudson> i made a nice graph of phoebe's feeding times over the first few months using an app's csv export and R :)
[23:03] <mwhudson> http://michael.hudsondoyle.geek.nz/o.png
[23:05] <thumper> heh
[23:05] <thumper> we always fed on demand and didn't try to limit to specific times
[23:05] <thumper> worked for us
[23:05] <mwhudson> right
[23:06] <snail> chilts: i believe that they're all pretty much functionally equivalent; pick one that works well on your platform and let the other half pick the shiny
[23:06] <thumper> mwhudson: looked like there was time on the 14th of sept where she fed for 6 hours
[23:06] <mwhudson> but spotting trends is still fun for a geek :)
[23:06] <thumper> well, 3-4
[23:06] <mwhudson> thumper: i presume that's a "forgot to stop the app" incident :)
[23:06] <thumper> :)
[23:07] <mwhudson> it's clear from that graph how quickly she stopped feeding between 2100 and 0300 or so
[23:07] <snail> mwhudson: babies sleep better when in physical contact with an adult for the first couple of months (before they have their own themo-regulation). we had a couple of multi-hour feeds
[23:07] <mwhudson> (mostly)
[23:08] <snail> the physical contact thing got harder when he learnt that we were two people and i wasn't the one with milky goodness
[23:24] <snail> chilts: you may also want to set up a photo app on the same device with single-click send to a social media group on the platform of your choice. I strongly suggest you set up a 'people interested in flood of baby photos' group before the sleep deprivation sets in
[23:25] <olly> and 'people interested in floods of pictures of sleep deprived adults'


[00:00] <ali1234> yep, reproduced
[00:00] <popey> cool
[00:00] <popey> i am gonna pounce on the compiz/unity devs tomorrow
[00:01] <ali1234> i misread that as "punch"
[00:01] <popey> maybe
[00:01] <bigcalm> :D
[00:02] <ali1234> any chance you can get them to fix the white box bug?
[00:02] <popey> which bug?
[00:03] <ali1234> looking for it. i have like 200 bugs
[00:03] <popey> yeah, was just looking for it
[00:03] <ali1234> an lp search suuuuuuucks
[00:03] <bigcalm> Maybe that's why mrevil is recruiting
[00:03] <ali1234> bug 869628
[00:05] <ali1234> it's not rare at all
[00:05] <popey> i just discovered another bug
[00:05] <ali1234> after a while it happens with any and all minimized windows
[00:05] <popey> i have firefox full screen on one desktop, terminal on another, alt tab between you get a white box just before the desktop switches
[00:05] <ali1234> like when i was just culling firefox and terminals, over half of them were white boxes
[00:08] <popey> haha your bug
[00:08] <ali1234> white boxes?
[00:08] <popey> i love how you rm /var/crash/* ☺  I have to do that too
[00:09] <popey> oh _that_ bug
[00:09] <popey> yes, I get that
[00:10] <ali1234> damn is that my etc passwd as well? i need to be more careful when screenshots
[00:10] <ali1234> ha, you only just noticed the bug? was it not obvious that there was a problem fromt he screenshot?
[00:10] <popey> no, i had noticed it but accepted that it happened
[00:10] <ali1234> oh, "just got used to it"
[00:10] <popey> well rationalised it
[00:11] <popey> figured it was because compiz can't preview a minimised window
[00:11] <ali1234> it can though
[00:11] <popey> and throws away the old one
[00:11] <popey> or sommat
[00:11] <ali1234> it's supposed to
[00:11] <ali1234> sometimes the previews are really out of date as well
[00:11] <ali1234> like sometimes when downloading a big file, the ff download window still shows partial, when the file finished ages ago
[00:12] <ali1234> now that i think about it, i;m not sure if compiz can preview minimized or not
[00:12] <ali1234> if it can't, you'd think that someone would have mentioned that when the whole idea of the switcher came up
[00:12] <ali1234> cos it makes it terribly hard to actually use
[00:13] <popey> right, i can reproduce that really easily
[00:13] <ali1234> it might explain why unity always unminimizes every window of a group before displaying the switcher though
[00:13] <popey> so i can show someone
[00:13] <ali1234> which in itself is quite annoying
[00:13] <popey> just minimising my irc and opening a new terminal then alt-tab and wait for previews
[00:14] <ali1234> i think those are my two top bugs right now
[00:14] <ali1234> not switching to the workspace with most of the window on it, and white boxes
[00:14] <ali1234> i noticed a lot of my other bugs getting fixed recently so that's good
[00:15] <ali1234> i think all the other bugs i have are multi monitor only
[00:15] <ali1234> or design issues that have no chance of getting changed
[00:15] <popey> multi-monitor is a big focus for them
[00:15] <popey> i know that, was having a chat about it today
[00:15] <popey> problem is it involves a huge number of people
[00:15] <ali1234> well issue number 1 is there's no launcher on the second monitor
[00:16] <ali1234> is there a tag or something that i should add to multimonitor specific bugs?
[00:17] <ali1234> all these real dual head bugs are a bit trivial, just mildly annoying, you know
[00:19] <i-pink> hii
[00:19] <i-pink> how i can get the audio levels?
[00:20] <i-pink> someone here?
[00:20] <popey> ali1234: multimonitor
[00:20] <popey> bug 843958 for example
[00:20] <i-pink> i'm mean like a value in bash
[00:21] <popey> i-pink: try pacmd ?
[00:21] <i-pink> sudo apt-get install pacmd ??
[00:22] <i-pink> i get "Welcome to PulseAudio! Use "help" for usage information"
[00:22] <popey> so do I.
[00:22] <i-pink> i typed "help" and i get bunch of commands
[00:23] <popey> hmm, not as useful as I had hoped, most of the info is quite technical
[00:23] <popey> what do you mean by 'audio levels'
[00:23] <popey> like you see in alsamixer?
[00:23] <i-pink> like vu meter
[00:24] <ali1234> you just want a visible vu meter on the screen?
[00:24] <i-pink> no no
[00:24] <popey> ahh
[00:24] <zleap> i have a simple css thing on my website that displays photos and on hovering over it make that photo bigger slightly works in firefox FAILS in IE 8 under XP  firefox - win
[00:25] <popey> write better CSS ☺
[00:25] <popey> ali1234: ping me daytime tomorrow and I'll go poke someone about those bugs
[00:25] <i-pink> popey, i want to send "1 logic" in serial when i get more than X dB sound in my mic
[00:26] <zleap> hmm,  i got the code from a website,  i am not worried about IE i don't use it,
[00:26] <ali1234> i just tagged a few multimonitor bugs
[00:26] <zleap> i just got XP installed on my other PC and thought I would see if my website worked properly
[00:26] <ali1234> one of them was unity 2d though
[00:29] <Azelphur> Haha, some pirate website is hotlinking images from a friend of mine, so he's replaced the image with a big "WE ARE TOO CHEAP TO PAY FOR OUR OWN BANDWIDTH" banner :D
[00:29] <bigcalm> I give up for the night
[00:29] <bigcalm> Night peeps
[04:40] <ohno> Is anyone here?
[04:40] <ohno> i need help
[08:06] <popey> Morning
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: good news? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16493929
[08:08] <daubers> Morning
[08:08] <ts2> probably just re-branding and buzz-words
[08:08] <popey> its interesting
[08:08] <popey> believe it when i see it
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> well sure, it's the government
[08:09]  * daubers wonders how long it'll take them to put together an outreach campaign to get local businesses to help them achieve this
[08:10] <ts2> the reason "IT" is boring is because (when I was at school) it was 90% "How to use Microsoft Office"
[08:10] <ts2> and once we use FrontPage to make a web page
[08:18] <popey> it still is ts2
[08:22]  * daubers wonders if his book will arrive today
[08:22] <daubers> I have some awesome visualisations to achieve
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> daubers: which book?
[08:23] <daubers> MartijnVdS: This one http://glbook.gamedev.net/GLBOOK/glbook.gamedev.net/boglgp2/index.html
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> daubers: ooh shiny
[08:25] <daubers> I'm going to have to train people in weird parts of the world soon on how to make NAS systems performant (including network stuff) so want to make some awesome visualisations to make it stick
[08:25]  * daubers is hoping for a free trip to Oz \o/
[08:25] <DJones> Morning
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> \o DJones
[08:26] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Free trips to Oz are always nice to get :)
[08:26] <DJones> Put the red shoes and click your heels daubers
[08:26] <daubers> DJones: Nah, mums shoes don't fit me
[08:26] <DJones> I can lend you some of my wifes, anywhere between an 7.5 and 9 shoe size
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> you have multiple wives?
[08:27] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Seems like it at times, going on the amount of earache I ger
[08:27] <DJones> get
[08:27] <daubers> DJones: Too small again... looks like it'll need to be a plane ticket after all
[08:30] <daubers> If there's an oggcamp this year, I might put a talk together based on my training materials
[08:49] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[08:52] <brobostigon> o/ MartijnVdS
[09:10] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:11] <DJones> virgin broadband users ->
[09:11] <DJones> 09:07 <    DJones> There's lava in this cavern as well
[09:12] <DJones> Grr http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16491614?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
[09:12] <DJones> Doubling customer broadband speeds
[09:13] <popey> ali1234: showed both those compiz bugs to the compiz and unity guys.. their reaction was a bemused 'woah!'
[09:13] <popey> I am assigning them to dbo (Jason Smith)
[09:14] <popey> although on the subject of white boxes he said 'hey dude, stop minimising shit!'
[09:14] <popey> and 'just use 9 desktops, that what I do!'
[09:21] <popey> bug 869628
[09:32] <JamesTait> Good morning, everyone! :D
[09:36] <daubers> Exciting book has arrived \o/
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[09:49] <czajkowski> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16493929
[09:49] <occupy64k> That's a very good idea
[09:50] <occupy64k> It's in keeping with the Rushkoff narrative
[09:52] <occupy64k> Also I expect that it has something to do with people who grew up in the 1980s being in positions of political influence.
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> Too bad Dutch politicians never learned about Dijkstra :(
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> we'll be stuck with Excel and Word education for a LONG time
[09:55] <occupy64k> Teaching kids Word and Excel is preparing them for a world which really no longer exists
[09:57] <occupy64k> In the 1980s wordprocessing and spreadsheets were about the only "serious" things which computers could do
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> It's not on the agenda of any party in .nl
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> Bashing immigrants is much more important, it seems :(
[09:57] <occupy64k> My dutch friends would concur with that
[10:05] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Everyone needs a scapegoat!
[10:06] <occupy64k> Anyway I hope they do start teaching CS in schools
[10:07] <occupy64k> It's relatively easy for kids to learn programming.  Learning French or German is much harder.
[10:08] <gordonjcp> occupy64k: python!
[10:08] <occupy64k> See the Douglas Rushkoff book "program or be programmed"
[10:08] <gordonjcp> occupy64k: re people growing up in the 80s occupying politics
[10:08] <occupy64k> python is good
[10:10] <gordonjcp> I'm really keen to see what the next few years bring, particularly when those of us in our mid-to-late 30s who remember Black Monday and the guts dropping out of the stock market in a second
[10:10] <occupy64k> http://youtu.be/JKAzZocdQ1Y
[10:11] <gordonjcp> even the most staunchly large- and small-C conservatives I know that are about ages with me are really, really keen to keep things building so high and then falling
[10:12] <occupy64k> The flash crashes are profitable for quote stuffers
[10:41] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:42] <silner> Hello s-fox
[10:42] <s-fox> Hello silner , how are you?
[10:42] <silner> Not bad
[10:43] <silner> Haven't been on IRC in a while though and forgotten most of the chans I used to use
[10:43] <silner> If I was smart I woulda saved a list :)
[10:45] <s-fox> Haha
[11:19] <bigcalm> Does vbox allow you to run 64bit OSs?
[11:20] <bigcalm> It's been a while since I've messed with virtual machines
[11:20] <awilkins> bigcalm, Yes, vbox lets you run a 64-bit OS, as long as your CPU supports hardware virtualization
[11:20] <bigcalm> *shrug* :)
[11:21] <bigcalm> How would I check that?
[11:21] <awilkins> 1) Try it and if it fails with an error about vtx, it doesn't work
[11:22] <awilkins> 2) Look in your BIOS (a lot of units are shipped with it disabled by default)
[11:22] <awilkins> You'd be surprised how many units are shipped with it disabled (out of spite, I think, in the server market - they don't want you virtualizing servers and buying less hardware without paying for the privilege)
[11:23] <bigcalm> This is a workstation
[11:23] <awilkins> Most modern CPUs *support* it, but whether it's enabled on your hardware is another question
[11:24] <bigcalm> Acer Veriton M460
[11:24] <bigcalm> Good point
[11:24]  * awilkins has no clue
[11:24] <awilkins> try cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:25] <awilkins> But I have no idea which flags you need to support it :-)
[11:25] <awilkins> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/linux-tip-how-to-tell-if-your-processor-supports-vt/
[11:25] <awilkins> vmx
[11:26] <bigcalm> vmx is listed on all 4 processors
[11:26] <davmor2> morning all
[11:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod how's life?
[11:26] <bigcalm> Shame this machine can only support up to 4gb
[11:26]  * popey pokes jnick_tait with a stick
[11:27] <awilkins> bigcalm, It is deficient in slots? A laptop?
[11:27] <bigcalm> How little a HD can I get away with for MS Windows Server
[11:27] <bigcalm> awilkins: mobo doesn't support more than 4gb
[11:27] <jnick_tait> jnick_tait bleeds from recently popey inflicted stick wound
[11:27] <popey> http://www.moderncat.net/2011/02/25/introducing-urbancatdesign-new-line-of-modern-cat-furniture-from-the-netherlands/
[11:27] <awilkins> bigcalm, Erk... I've seen reports that Windows 7 now eats about 16GB for it's base  install, so I shudder to think how much disk the server edition needs
[11:27] <popey> CATS!
[11:27] <popey> and DESIGN!
[11:28] <bigcalm> :(
[11:28] <awilkins> bigcalm, Give it as large an image as you can tolerate, and make it dynamic
[11:28] <bigcalm> Looks like I'm going to have to hook up the spinning rust againt
[11:28] <awilkins> That way at least it only eats as much as it uses
[11:28] <bigcalm> Yes
[11:29] <bigcalm> I have 25gb free on my ssd. The ISO download is 4gb
[11:29] <awilkins> Ow
[11:29] <awilkins> Get a 32-bit SD card to put it on?
[11:29] <awilkins> Sorry, 32GB
[11:29] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:30] <bigcalm> I also have a 320gb usb hd not in use. Not sure it would like it though
[11:30] <awilkins> I know the feeling, I have a 64GB SSD for my working image... working on a storage-hungry Java application and feeling the itch to trade up to 128GB
[11:30] <awilkins> Which now costs what the 64GB one did when I bought it
[11:31] <awilkins> I love SSDs for portable external work drives though
[11:31] <bigcalm> I have a 120gb ssd on order from Amazon. But that's going in the laptop
[11:31] <awilkins> I'd gone through three spinning rust units due to headcrashes before I bought it
[11:31] <bigcalm> At least the 4gb ISO is downloading at 3.7mb/s
[11:32] <bigcalm> Look forward to that doubling some time in the next 18 months. Thank you VM ;)
[11:32] <awilkins> Heh, yes, hooray for 30Mbit/s * 2
[11:32] <awilkins> Not sure what I'd DO with 60Mbit/s
[11:32] <bigcalm> Download ISOs
[11:32] <awilkins> There must be some ulterior motive for them, maybe they are doing their own media-on-demand business
[11:33] <awilkins> Or they are just feeling the pressure from BTs offering
[11:33] <bigcalm> That's already the case
[11:33] <awilkins> There is a limit to the number of ISO images I can profitably use in a day
[11:33] <bigcalm> As well as catch up tv (iplayer et al), there is tv and film on demand (depending upon your tv package size)
[11:34] <awilkins> I have the base one
[11:34] <awilkins> And I don't have a set-top box
[11:35] <awilkins> We are a FreeView / MythTV house
[11:35] <bigcalm> popey: cool link :)
[11:35] <bigcalm> awilkins: ah, fair enough
[11:36] <awilkins> We very occasionally use iPlayer but otherwise the TB of storage in the MythTV box is enough
[11:37] <awilkins> Well, I say "enough", but I think if I shoved another TB in there, wifelet would fill THAT with cheesy old Doris Day movies too.
[11:37] <bigcalm> Would she watch them?
[11:38] <awilkins> Or yet another production of Pride and Prejudice (what IS it about that thing that women love?)
[11:38] <bigcalm> My mum seems to record everything on telly and watches a little
[11:38] <awilkins> bigcalm, The watching is optional. I think I may have to adjust my auto-expiry policy to start expiring unwatched content though.
[11:38] <bigcalm> The fantasy I think. The hope that they too could live that life
[11:39] <Dave2> Argh, Pride and Prejudice. I think I must subconsciously know when it's being discussed somewhere.
[11:39] <awilkins> They want years of crippling emotional frustration and systematized gender repression where their only worth is their ability to attract a husband with a good income... odd
[11:40] <bigcalm> The clothes are pretty and they don't have to work
[11:41] <awilkins> Yeah... I also have issues with the social strata portrayed in these things ; it's pretty much the period equivalent of a Hello magazine shoot of the 1%
[11:41] <awilkins> At least Dickens got into the gritty end of things
[11:43] <awilkins> "The clothes are pretty and they don't have to work" ; that also seems to apply to the gentlemen (although I do like some of their coats)
[11:45] <awilkins> Kickstarter project : Movie - "Pride and Extreme Prejudice" : a modern 21st century girl is time-travelled back to the 18th century and starts the gender revolution slightly earlier than planned....
[11:46] <bigcalm> :D
[11:46] <awilkins> (then breaks down in tears and admits that all she really wants is to be cared for by a gentleman who earns £50,000 a year and looks good in a wet shirt and tight jodphurs climbing out of a lake)
[11:47] <bigcalm> Oh dear :)
[11:50] <bigcalm> This doesn't look good
[11:50] <bigcalm> usb hd isn't showing up
[11:51] <bigcalm> I would tail -f /var/log/messages, but it doesn't exist :S
[11:53] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:53] <bigcalm> USB cable was plugged into the machine but not into the drive :)
[11:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: D'oh
[12:12] <bigcalm> Windows setup cannie cope
[12:12] <bigcalm> This is eating my day :(
[12:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: It's windows what did you expect?
[12:17] <bigcalm> I don't know what to expect from anything any more
[12:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: Muhahaha
[12:18] <bigcalm> I'm tired but will now throw myself at the mercy of the wii fit
[12:41] <awilkins> bigcalm, Usually log messages about drive insertions will also end up in /var/log/kern.log
[12:42]  * awilkins hates setting up Windows, always some problem with storage hardware
[12:42] <awilkins> And then the inevitable 10 reboot cycles for updates
[12:42] <awilkins> Locating driver packs online
[12:42] <awilkins> *sob*
[12:58] <daubers> Urgh.. fibre glass insulation is horrid
[13:01] <awilkins> daubers, Yes.
[13:02] <awilkins> Squirrels got into our loft and made a mess of ours too
[13:02] <daubers> I've just been in the roof of a house I'm looking at buying
[13:02] <awilkins> Made nests out of it. I hope they itched.
[13:02] <daubers> so now I itch
[13:02] <gordonjcp> fibreglass itchulation
[13:03] <awilkins> Replaced it with the stuff that comes in mylar bag/roll
[13:03] <awilkins> Was half price in local DIY shop
[13:03] <awilkins> Well, by replaced I mean "supplemented what little scraps the bastard squirrels left"
[13:04] <awilkins> The squirrels... are no longer an issue.
[13:09] <daubers> awilkins: 12 bore?
[13:09] <awilkins> daubers, Cage trap + peanut butter
[13:09] <daubers> heh
[13:30] <dewar_> hello
[13:30] <daubers> Hello
[13:30] <dewar_> Im running linux and need some help
[13:30] <daubers> dewar_: Ask away :)
[13:31] <dewar_> I have ubuntu distro installed and running fine
[13:31] <dewar_> i had it all set up to run kde and that works great
[13:31] <dewar_> then i installed the LXDE and have that working and its fantastic
[13:31] <dewar_> but now dont know how to get back to kde
[13:32] <daubers> did you install lxde from the software center?
[13:32] <daubers> (or from apt-get on the command line)?
[13:32] <shauno> you should be able to select a 'session' at the login screen; after you select a user (or type in your username), but before you've completed the login, the option will be present
[13:32] <dewar_> from the muon softwar center
[13:33] <daubers> dewar_: As shauno says, there should be a "session" option at the login screen
[13:33] <dewar_> ok ill have a look thanks
[13:33] <shauno> sorry, didn't mean to jump ya there.  just too far long to type on this
[13:34] <daubers> shauno: No probs :)
[13:34] <daubers> shauno: Phone?
[13:34] <shauno> nah, just spent enough time off work that having full-travel keys again is interesting
[13:35] <dewar__> that was easy
[13:36] <dewar__> cool
[13:36] <dewar__> thanks, there lots to learn but its a lot of fun
[13:36] <shauno> awesome.  I'm not sure 'session' is the most intuitive name, but once you know it's there .. :)
[13:39] <davmor2> tonytiger: good news for you dude http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/corel-aftershot-pro-brings-lightroom-competitor-to-linux/
[13:40] <tonytiger> davmor2: No great change really. It's only a re-badged version of Bibble, which I already use.
[13:41] <davmor2> tonytiger: :( here I am trying to help out you semi pro photographers and that's the thanks I get ;)
[13:42] <tonytiger> davmor2: :)
[13:43] <tonytiger> Actually, Corel buying Bibble raises more questions about long term support for Linux, as Corel haven't exactly embraced it for their other apps.
[13:43] <shauno> neat - I didn't know Corel still existed
[13:44] <shauno> they've tried on & off over the years, but it never seems to end well.  they even had their own distro at the end of the 90s
[13:44] <bigcalm> Anybody know how to successfully add a rss feed to linkedin? I don't have an account nor do I wish to. A client seems to be struggling with the feed I created
[13:44] <davmor2> tonytiger: I'm waiting for corel linux 2 to make you eat those words ;)
[13:47] <Dave2> I must admit, I didn't realize Corel were still around.
[13:50] <davmor2> tonytiger: you're right though they are identical
[13:53] <tonytiger> Well, very similar. Aftershot has had a bit of UI polish
[14:09] <gord> sometimes get the feeling that all my android apps are just fixing what should be basic functionality
[14:09] <gord> had to pay £4 for something that would block unknown calls
[14:10]  * MartijnVdS gives gord the SDK
[14:12] <awilkins> Providers don't want that built into the platform... they wouldn't be able to offer it as a chargeable service...
[14:13] <awilkins> When you see the list of things that providers charge even ${local_currency}1 for you cry inside as a techy
[14:13] <awilkins> I mean, some of them, they must have made a choice and blocked or disabled them so they can charge you to switch them back on...
[14:33] <bigcalm> That puts an end to my attempts of installing windows small business server. It requires a minimum of 160gb free space
[14:35] <gordonjcp> wtf
[14:35] <gordonjcp> *how* much?
[14:36] <bigcalm> That's what I thought
[14:37] <bigcalm> It didn't get that far to tell me when trying to install on a vbox, so I booted up my old workstation to try and install it on a physical machine
[14:38] <bigcalm> For amusement, I then rebooted the machine to see what I had installed on it already - 8.04 LTS
[14:38] <bigcalm> I haven't used that machine for almost 4 years now
[15:02] <bigcalm> I found a 500gb drive, installation continues!
[15:10] <AdvoWork> just done a fresh install of 11.04 on a laptop. Im trying to change the desktop back to the classic. It says search for Login screen and change it that way, yet i can't find that option. Searching for Login only shows the user accounts sections. Any ideas please?
[15:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] YO - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/11/yo/
[15:13] <daubers> AdvoWork: Should be a sessions option on that screen, it will be in there
[15:13] <daubers> at the bottom
[15:14] <popey> AdvoWork: you need to logout
[15:14] <popey> to get the login screen
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> You need to click "Start" to shut down!
[15:26] <bigcalm> ?
[15:26] <bigcalm> Which OS are you using?
[15:27] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS is such a tease
[15:28] <AlanBell> AdvoWork: on the login screen you should by default have a cog icon to the right of the username which allows you to select the session type
[15:28] <AlanBell> I think you need to install the gnome-session-fallback package to get the classic look
[15:32] <shauno> does the session thing still do the trick where it doesn't show up until you've already selected a user?
[15:33] <popey> no
[15:33] <shauno> haven't seen lightdm yet, but that used to be my favourite gotcha with gdm
[15:44] <AdvoWork> AlanBell, ive logged out, and on the left hand side i see the username listed, and a cog. I click that but nothing happens(no menu's) or anything else either
[15:44] <AlanBell> AdvoWork: hmm, interesting, it should look like this: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2011/08/return-to-ubuntu-classic-desktop-in-ubuntu-11-10/
[15:44] <AdvoWork> but also from that screen, i cant press the button to close the computer, or the sound etc. Its like it has crashed, yet i can still type and move the mouse
[15:45] <AdvoWork> AlanBell, i get the same login screen, but no options. Let me reboot and try again just incase
[15:46] <AdvoWork> now i can click on the cog, but the only options I get are Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D
[15:46] <daubers> Are you on 11.10?
[15:47] <AlanBell> AdvoWork: ok, did you install gnome-session-fallback?
[15:47] <AdvoWork> AlanBell, only just spotted that, trying now. and daubers yeah
[15:47] <daubers> ah! Thought you where on 11.04 initially, that had gnome-session-fallback by default, 11.10 doesn't
[15:50] <ali1234> how could i make a shell script that kills all other running instances of itself?
[15:51] <ali1234> ah i can use killall --older-than
[15:53] <AdvoWork> that worked thanks, but now my System menu is missing Applications Places then normally System. Can I reenable that somehow? Im looking for Update Manager
[16:03] <jutnux> Hello gents
[16:03] <jutnux> and ladies
[16:04] <AlanBell> nice recovery jutnux ;)
[16:04] <AlanBell> AdvoWork: sorry, not sure about that one
[16:04] <jutnux> Yes, I forgot daubers was in here ;)
[16:04] <jutnux> Haha, I don't want to be perceived as sexist ;-)
[16:05] <jutnux> Aww, my Sister is asking me about keyboard shortcuts. Next step, Ubuntu.
[16:08] <AdvoWork> how can i access gconf-editor if Alt + F2 wont worjk?
[16:08] <jutnux> AdvoWork: Cntrl+Alt+T
[16:09] <jutnux> type gksudo gconf-editor
[16:10] <AdvoWork> jutnux, that crashes it for some reason "unable to locate theme engine in module_path pitxmap
[16:11] <jutnux> sudo aptitude install gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[16:11] <jutnux> apt-get
[16:11] <jutnux> not aptitude, my bad
[16:11] <jutnux> See if that works, it should work anyway though.
[16:22] <dewar____> hi, whats the quickest way to swich sessions in lxde?
[16:40] <jutnux> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S9a5V9ODuY
[17:25] <dogmatic69> how can I remove the d flag on file permissions?
[17:27] <AlanBell> that means it is a directory
[18:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Social Ubuntu TV - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/11/social-ubuntu-tv/
[18:11] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[19:28] <jutnux> Sherlock is so gooooooooooood
[19:36] <davmor2> popey: I didn't know you had done an advert for moneysupermarket.com everyone will start calling you Brian you know
[19:40] <davmor2> Tell me this isn't popey http://www.thedrum.co.uk/news/2012/01/06/moneysupermarket-launches-new-epic-ad-set-las-vegas :D
[19:42] <AlanBell> I was going to tell you to stop being so silly
[19:42] <AlanBell> but then I watched it
[19:43] <jandro> does anyone know of a good alternative to torrentflux-b4rt with multi-user support and is web-based? cheers
[19:43] <jacobw> christ
[19:43] <jacobw> that's scary
[19:47] <gord> no crazy eyes
[19:47] <jacobw> http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/01/11/1332222/british-schoolchildren-to-get-programming-lessons
[20:27] <kvarley1> Is it possible to start an X environment from an SSH session?
[21:52] <gord> ugh ubuntu events, my hotel wifi is currently measured in bytes per second =\
[21:53] <brobostigon> :(
[21:57] <gord> apparently not enough internet to run google plus really
[21:57] <brobostigon> wow.
[21:57] <brobostigon> can you get 3g/hsdpa/lte/4g etc?
[21:58] <gord> at like £2 a meg yeah ;)
[21:58] <brobostigon> ouch
[22:00] <gordonjcp> gord: :-)
[22:02] <gord> phones just sitting there disconnecting and reconnecting. the poor thing, it'll drain its battery
[22:02] <mattt> think it's a sign you should go out and drink :)
[22:15] <gord> coffee? at the starbucks down the road? that has free wifi?
[22:17] <mattt> DRINK
[22:50] <mgdm> I'm going to recompile Adium without that %^$£ Attention button
[22:51] <mgdm> it's pointless and too easy to hit
[22:56] <AlanBell> one hour to get your bids in http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-beta-board-01-limited-series-10-/180786868894?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a17bcb29e


[03:46] <zul> good day folks
[03:47] <crimsun> hi
[03:57] <crimsun> dpatch posted for #15031
[05:29] <makx> hello
[05:29] <makx> i've some questions regarding the ubuntu linux package
[05:29] <makx> does it use kernel-package?
[05:30] <makx> how's initramfs-tools integrated?
[05:30] <fabbione> makx: yes.. it uses k-p
[05:30] <fabbione> and initramfs is integrated via k-p
[05:30] <makx> fabbione: cool so there are patches to use initramfs-tools
[05:31] <fabbione> it's one liner.. but it is also configurable
[05:31] <fabbione> meaning that we share the same config with Debian
[05:31] <makx> nice :)
[05:31] <fabbione> except that we default to initramfs
[05:31] <fabbione> debian to initrd
[05:31] <fabbione> users can override the default
[05:31] <fabbione> (in both)
[05:31] <makx> ok that would help also in debian for the transition.
[05:32] <makx> thanks for the info fabbione!!! :)
[05:32] <fabbione> makx: the transition is not painful, but you need to get klibc to work all arches
[05:32] <fabbione> otherwise it's useless to use mkinitrd
[05:33] <fabbione> for what we know: sparc/i386/amd64/ppc are good with klibc
[05:33] <fabbione> but ia64/hppa no
[05:33] <fabbione> (sparc building with gcc3-3)
[05:33] <makx> well mips/mipsel should work too
[05:33] <fabbione> so there are still several problems around
[05:33] <makx> yes libgcc troubles on sparc
[05:33] <fabbione> yeah.. gcc-4.0 is borked to death
[05:34] <fabbione> i have no idea about mips/+sel
[05:34] <fabbione> never ever seen one of these machines
[05:34] <makx> no idea i like the new gcc warnings + optimization, but sure it bites on low level stuff.
[05:35] <fabbione> yeah
[05:35] <fabbione> and it bites hard
[05:36] <makx> klibc build fine on alpha/s390
[05:37] <makx> no idea if it works altough.
[05:37] <fabbione> yeah the build is not really the problem
[05:37] <fabbione> it's get them to work
[05:37] <fabbione> on sparc it did build fine
[05:38] <fabbione> except it was builded with the wrong options
[05:38] <fabbione> building it properly was a FTBFS
[05:38] <fabbione> due to gcc-4.0
[05:38] <fabbione> so it took a while
[05:38] <fabbione> it's important.. extremely important that you do a kernel upload with initrdtools...
[05:39] <fabbione> and the next one change to initramfs with no other changes
[05:39] <fabbione> mark the line clearly
[05:39] <fabbione> because if klibc is borked, it looks like a kernel OOPS
[05:39] <fabbione> so you need to be able to recognize that
[05:39] <makx> nice advice indeed.
[05:39] <fabbione> by a very specific version number
[05:40] <fabbione> well we did go trough this on our own .. that's why
[05:40] <makx> well 2.6.13 forces initramfs-tools a bit with !devfs.
[05:40] <fabbione> we don't have 2.6.13
[05:40] <fabbione> but the point is
[05:40] <fabbione> you still have .12, right?
[05:40] <makx> well it's only the config removed.
[05:40] <makx> but not allowed to touch .12 atm because of d-i beta.
[05:41] <fabbione> if so.. before uploading .13
[05:41] <fabbione> take some extra time to switch .12
[05:41] <fabbione> and merge the changes later into .13
[05:41] <fabbione> so you have exactly the same good known codebase
[05:41] <fabbione> with the init* change
[05:42] <makx> where could i ask scott ot add intramfs-tools and klibc for patch monitoring?
[05:43] <makx> s/ot/to/
[05:44] <fabbione> i think they are monitored automatically...
[05:44] <fabbione> but you can just mail him
[05:44] <makx> well currently not, ok i'll do.
[05:45] <fabbione> probably because there are no differences between Debian and Ubuntu
[05:45] <fabbione> if there are no diff, there is no dir
[05:46] <makx> naa, there are. :-P
[05:46] <makx> small bits...
[05:48] <makx> i know them usually, but those diff's are nice checker. :)
[06:01] <jbailey> makx: At the moment they're not inherited from Debian, so I don't think they'll be monitored.
[06:01] <jbailey> makx: That can change after breezy easily enough.
[06:02] <jbailey> My first upload after Breezy releases will call it 1.0, turn it into a non-native deb, and also make it share nice between the two of us.
[06:06] <zul> ooh...when we will see nilfs 1.0 in the ubuntu kernel ;)
[06:06] <fabbione> what's that????
[06:07] <fabbione> nullfs??
[06:07] <fabbione> very useful  to redirect all the spam :)
[06:08] <jbailey> It's for people who miss the good old days of there being random sparse blocks in the middle of files ;)
[06:19] <fabbione> eheh
[06:33] <makx> jbailey: scott told me that it will happen after breezy.
[06:33] <makx> didn't knew the patches were bound to released packages, but it makes sense. :)
 Known Bugs
 The system hangs on a disk full condition.
[06:53] <dilinger> ^ nilfs
[07:01] <zul> fabbione its on slahdot
[07:08] <lamont__> W: linux-source-2.6.12 source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1
[07:08] <lamont__> heh
[07:09] <crimsun> It's probably too late to apply the patch in #15031, right?
[07:10] <crimsun> oops on boot for people with an ALC880 codec using the Intel High Definition audio driver
[08:07] <zul> well it looks like im on going to be there for the firstday at ubz
[08:15] <lamont__> zul: cool!
[08:15] <lamont__> first day == 30 or 29?
[08:41] <zul> the ubuntulove day
[08:41] <zul> wouldnt miss my second love ;)
[10:58] <jbailey> zul: Yay!  You can come out drinking with me. =)
[11:12] <zul> hehe..
[11:12] <zul> i have to work the next day though
[11:19] <zul> later


 iamges are gone
 So, I can easily parse tasks, but I don't have the time to investigate how the api works
 I know there can be loaded as json
 likde this https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/conduit_edit/
 but how to connect, to phab to load this files is something I don't have the time to do it.
 @HMollerCl wxl: As Phab is in an LXD container once we're 'satisfied' with the configuration a weekly 'copy' job is going to run that will copy the *entire* Phab instance's container from the system it's now on over to three LXD instances I mantain as 'backups' - this way we have full data copies rather than having to rely on the ph
 that way instead of having to redeploy Phab and then redeploy the data to it, we just copy the container over, turn it on, and "everything works" again
 it's an LXD approach to backups :P
 but so far has worked for my LXD clusters at large (15+ containers and counting!)
 this also works if we want to spin a second dedicated 'backup' system as well
 because we can just `lxc copy lubuntu-main:... local:` to copy from the 'main' server back down to a backup server, and vice versa.
 What's lxd?
 @HMollerCl [What's lxd?], https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/introduction/
 ^ we're using lxd containers :P
 which was Simon's suggestion :P
 Aaa, OK thanks!
 so while the 'host' system has a single IP address
 that system has an nginx instance that actually handles the SSL certs, etc.
 and hands off to the 'backend' containers for phab, etc.
 but each actual *service* sits independent of each other within their own containers so as not to 'pollute' the host system's libraries, etc.
 but that also means we can independently move thes ervices to other servers without having to do a from-scratch deployment :P
 I DO have to ask stgraber how to live-migrate though, we've got a couple of headaches with regards to LXD and the snap where live migration doesn't work anymore...