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[00:06] <renosis> hi, I am trying to get dual monitors to work in kubuntu 11.10. I have an nvidia based video card, and within nvidia-settings,  I see both of my monitors listed under GPU 0
[00:07] <renosis> I am not sure what to do from here, but under X Server Display Configuration section in nvidia-settings, I get Unable to load X server Display Configuration page: Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0
[00:28] <adrian_berg> Since screwing around with Kubuntu trying to make it look good and more Ubuntu Unity like, I've come to the conclusion: fsck this
[00:29] <adrian_berg> lightdm now prevents me from rebooting and powering off the system from within KDE
[00:29] <adrian_berg> I can't reboot or shutdown from within in Lightdm
[00:29] <RedAshes> I am trying to install Kubuntu on my Dad's messed up windows machine without deleting the windows installing or changing any of the partitions.  I went to manual set up, and on the partition with windows (using the entire disk), I chose for it to use it, without formatting the partition, and make it an ntfs file system (the same file system already being used by the windows).  I make the mount point /windows instead of /dos.
[00:29] <RedAshes> Should I make the mount point /dos?  Will this mess up the windows install, or erase anything if I go ahead and click install now?
[00:29] <adrian_berg> This is pathetic
[00:29] <adrian_berg> I feel like I should just install Ubuntu and be happy, but I know QT/KDE is the way to go
[00:30] <adrian_berg> My system is looking nice
[00:30] <adrian_berg> Very much a Ubuntu/KDE theme that mixes nicely
[00:30] <adrian_berg> But it takes forever to boot
[00:31] <adrian_berg> and I can't shut the thing down outside of the command line
[00:32] <adrian_berg> And for some reason at installation I thought it would be fun to use some crazy 20 character password using crazy keys that nobody ever uses, typing that over and over is starting to get to me as well :)
[00:34] <RedAshes> hey, I have a computer here with 2 messed up copies of windows co-existing on it, on one partition.  I want to install Kubuntu to the SAME partition without deleting the 2 copies of windows on the same partition.  I have selected for it to not format the partition, and mount at /dos..  will this work without erasing anything?
[00:41] <Viktorious> Hi, I'm running the most recent Kubuntu version on virtualbox as a guest. I wanted to install all the updates, and now it's stuck at 56% for a while on the dpkg step.  There are 310 to install/upgrade and 206.4 mb of space to be used.
[00:42] <Viktorious> Is this normal, or do I need to do something...I think it's been at 56% for at least twenty minutes.
[00:50] <RedAshes> I want to install kubuntu on a partition with mount points /dos /window and /windows without formatting it and without deleting windows, is this possible of I set the mount point of the intallation to /dos and select to not format the drive?
[00:51] <adrian_berg> Love KDE always, but I'm heading back to Ubuntu so I can get some work done, but don't worry, I'll be back in the summer working on a KDE project
[00:51] <adrian_berg> bye now
[01:03] <Viktorious> Can anyone help answer my question please?
[01:04] <TAG> Oh cool, the plasma mobile stuff magically appeared in muon...
[01:07] <Resistance> Viktorious:  you need to be patient dude
[01:08] <Resistance> repeating your question every so often (say, if in 30 minutes nobody's addressed your question) might help
[01:15] <Kwashiorkor> Viktorious: you can break the installation and continue it later with no problem
[01:15] <Kwashiorkor> try it again
[01:15] <Viktorious> Okay
[01:16] <Kwashiorkor> maybe an internet connection problem
[01:16] <Kwashiorkor> maybe updates server problem
[01:16] <Viktorious> So, it's all right if I stop the dpkg process?
[01:16] <Kwashiorkor> i think so
[01:16] <Kwashiorkor> i would do it
[01:16] <Viktorious> Because it says it's dpkg which is talking up the time. A site told me to run sudo dpkg --configure -a, but I couldn't because the update process was using dpkg...
[01:16] <Kwashiorkor> and you are at vbox, no worries
[01:16] <Kwashiorkor> can start again if you want
[01:16] <Kwashiorkor> yes
[01:17] <Kwashiorkor> need to break it first
[01:18] <Linuxephus> Question: I've very recently noticed that port 68 on my Kubuntu 11.04 is active. From what I've researched, it's DHCP. Which leads to my question; is DHCP (port 68) set to active by default in Kubuntu 11.04? Footnote: I never noticed it in my GUFW settings until I installed gnome-network-admin package yesterday.
[01:21] <Kwashiorkor> Linuxephus: i dont know about default open ports, sorry
[01:24] <Linuxephus> Kwashiorkor: No worries. I'll gladly wait for one who does. I understand the concept of what I researched. I just need a more experienced user to help my apply what I researched so to speak.
[01:26] <Snowhog> Kwashiorkor: Port 68 is used by the DHCP client while port 67 is used by the DHCP server. You are using a router, yes?
[01:28] <Linuxephus> Yes, I am using the router in question. I just didn't know if the port 68 DHCP was a necessary function as I'd swear I've never seen it before when checking my firewall settings via GUFW.
[01:28] <Snowhog> Linuxephus: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_number#Examples
[01:31] <Linuxephus> Snowhog: In other words, it's active in Linux by default.  Would that assumption be correct?
[01:31] <Snowhog> Linuxephus: I'd say "yes".
[01:33] <Linuxephus> Snowhog: Which leaves another question: the context of what I've read concerning DHCP indicates it could be deactivated with-out problems. So what am I failing to understand should I be wrong?
[01:34] <Kwashiorkor> Snowhog: i'm not having any needings about these ports, was just saying "hello" to Linuxephus ;)
[01:37] <Linuxephus> Kwashiorkor: Then I humbly return the "hello" with a "greetings" of mine own.
[01:37] <Kwashiorkor> ;-)
[01:47] <Linuxephus> After re-reading said link in detail...my conclusion, as stated by you, is that it is a necessity, active (stealthed in my case) by default, regardless of any other means of internet connectivity. Correct me if I'm wrong. And my thanks for the link as well as putting 1+1=2 for me. I seem to find and learn something new everyday with Linux. Even though I've been an avid user for going on 3 years now.
[01:53] <deer3212> does anyone noticed any stability differance between 64 and 32 version?
[02:04] <EvilResistance> deer3212:  not really, you just need a processor that can handle the 64bit version, and most of em do nowadays
[02:05] <Kwashiorkor> 64-bit r0x j00
[02:06] <Kwashiorkor> nuff said...
[02:06] <Kwashiorkor> :P
[02:07] <Kwashiorkor> Viktorious: how was it with the installation problem?
[02:57] <deer3212> I get to manny plasma desktop crashes on 64 bit edition.....do we have a fix or something?
[02:58] <szal> deer3212: KDE version?
[02:59] <deer3212> 4.7.3
[02:59] <szal> upgrade to 4.7.4 from the Kubuntu PPA, it's fixed there
[03:01] <deer3212> there is a command line for that?  :)
[03:03] <szal> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:03] <deer3212> thank you
[03:05] <szal> !register | coolstar-pc
[03:08] <Guest97967> hola???
[03:10] <szal> !es | Guest97967
[03:14] <jimtendo> Anyone know where I can find some easy-to-follow example code of a kioslave? I can't seem to find any under KDE's WebSVN.
[03:16]  * szal thinks that would be a question more fitting for #kde
[03:20] <deer3212> can anyone recomand a good backup system for kubuntu?...(like ghost...something image based)...
[03:37] <Ilsy> Hello, all
[03:38] <deer3212> hi
[03:38] <szal> deer3212: tried Clonezilla yet?
[03:38] <Ilsy> where would be the best place to explore the options available to me for correcting an upside-down uvc webcam image?
[03:38] <Ilsy> in Kubuntu 11.10, that is....
[03:39] <deer3212> not yet....I clone only the partitiion or MBR too?
[05:15] <sythe_> deer3212: Just the partition, silly
[05:21] <deer3212> acronis has the option to backup the mbr too, that't why I asking.....I am afraid that after recovering grub  won't goanna recognize the os
[05:23] <deer3212> the problem with acronis....not very good with ext4
[05:47] <Kimlaroux> deer3212, it's easy to reinstall grub from a livecd, no need to backup the mbr
[05:47] <deer3212> good idea ;)
[09:21] <gribouille> hi
[09:22] <gribouille> I have a plasmoid that needs an icon, but the icon seems to be missing. how can I know the name of the missing file?
[09:35] <lengau> There's no easy way to do it, though you may be able to tell based on the package it's in.
[09:35] <lengau> What plasmoid are you referring to?
[09:55] <gribouille> lengau, veromix
[09:57] <lengau> gribouille: The only image file in that package is /usr/share/icons/veromix-plasmoid.png
[09:58] <lengau> What image is missing, and what versions of veromix and KDE are you using?
[10:01] <gribouille> lengau, the versiojn of plasma-widget-veromix is 0.13.0-1ubuntu1; the version of kde is 4.7.4; the missing icon is the one for the flash player (like this one: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/actions/flash.png)
[10:09] <lengau> gribouille: Hmm... I couldn't reproduce (though I'm trying the beta of KDE 4.8...). Do you have the file /usr/share/app-install/icons/flash.png?
[10:09] <gribouille> lengau, yes
[10:10] <lengau> gribouille are you on a 32-bit or 64-bit system?
[10:11] <gribouille> lengau, 32 bit
[10:12] <lengau> Do you have the KDE Flash settings package (adobe-flash-properties-kde)? That seems like the most likely place for KDE to get a Flash logo.
[10:13] <gribouille> lengau, when I open the veromix window and click on the icon for the flash player (the icon is a blank document, not the right one), it mutes the flash player and the right icon is displayed. when I click again, the player is unmuted and the wrong icon is displayed again
[10:14] <lengau> Ah, so it does see the icon, just not all the time...
[10:14] <lengau> The only thing I can think then, gribouille, is that it's a bug in veromix and should probably be reported.
[10:16] <lengau> Sorry :-(
[10:16] <gribouille> lengau, this bug didn't exist on maverick. it happened when I switched to oneiric, without changing the version ov veromix
[10:16] <lengau> Are you not using veromix from the repos?
[10:17] <lengau> Oh, wait.  I installed it from the repos, hoping it would solve the problem
[10:18] <lengau> gribouille, try purging and re-installing the package?
[10:18] <lengau> Ok.
[10:19] <lengau> Have you tried clearing your veromix settings? (~/.kde/share/apps/plasma/plasmoids/veromix-plasmoid/)
[10:19] <akis> hi all. does anyone can give me the knode installation command?
[10:19] <gribouille> lengau, ~/.kde/share/apps/plasma/plasmoids/veromix-plasmoid/ is empty
[10:20] <gribouille> akis, sudo apt-get install knode
[10:22] <akis> ok. thank. i installed it.
[10:23] <lengau> gribouille, then I'm afraid I'm out of ideas. Sorry. I don't imagine plasma-desktop-appletsrc would contain anything useful, so I don't know where else to look.
[10:24] <gribouille> lengau, what is plasma-desktop-appletsrc?
[10:32] <lengau> gribouille It contains some settings for various plasma widgets. Doesn't seem to have anything useful for Veromix though.
[10:32] <lengau> Anyway, bed time for me now. It's far too late over here.
[10:33] <gribouille> lengau, ok, thanks for your help
[11:25] <serge_> hei who knows programm for cleaning system for kubuntu?
[11:26] <SunTsu> serge_: er, whut? What "cleaning"?
[11:26] <serge_> cleaning system
[11:26] <Peace-> serge_: sudo apt-get autoremove ??
[11:27] <Peace-> serge_: sudo apt-get autoremove  && sudo apt-get clean ??
[11:27] <serge_> bleachbit but this programm for ubuntu
[11:34] <SunTsu> serge_: what exactly do you mean by cleaning?
 Free cache, delete cookies, clear Internet history, shred temporary files, delete logs
[11:38] <kerloi> Hi all. I'm not personnaly a kubuntu user buts that's the OS I installed for my parents. They are not 'advanced user' so I want them to only use the GUI. Since the last update the ubuntu 'muon logitheque' has changed and I can't find how to check for update.
[11:38] <SunTsu> rm -rf /?
[11:38] <kerloi> I can of course use the command line but, as I said, I prefer not for them ...
[11:38] <SunTsu> serge_: I don't know anything that does it
[11:39] <kerloi> By the way, kubuntu does not automatically notify for new update on the system tray (???)
[11:39] <serge_> SunTsu i found http://userbase.kde.org/Sweeper
[11:47] <joe11> even all :) hoping someone can help out a newbie.... trying to figure out how to rename of the pages in netbook view that appear in the top bar (eg Page 1, Newspaper Layout' etc)...
[11:53] <serge_> тест test
[11:53] <serge_> kubuntu is awesome
[12:11] <failureR> hi
[12:12] <failureR> im getting a weird error every time i try to run a kde program symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkio.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZTI15QTreeWidgetItem
[12:12] <failureR> does anyone know how i can fix that?
[12:14] <failureR> I tried updating and all that but it still gives the same error
[12:19] <failureR> google returns no results :S
[12:19] <soee> failureR, what KDE version ?
[12:19] <failureR> 4.7
[12:19] <failureR> im using kubuntu 11.10
[12:20] <soee> strange havent seen this error
[12:20] <failureR> soee: it looks like something in the ldpath is wrong, but i dont know what
[12:20] <Peace-> failureR: please kde version ? 4.7.x
[12:21] <failureR> Peace-: Peace- 4.7.3
[12:22] <Peace-> failureR: btw you coud upgrade to 4.7.4 there is a repository
[12:22] <Peace-> could
[12:22] <failureR> Peace-: do you know the url?
[12:22] <soee> even 4.8 RC1 - works great except kmix
[12:23] <Peace-> failureR: this is for kde 4.7.4 ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[12:23] <robin0800> soee: how do you get that?
[12:23] <Peace-> failureR: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[12:23] <Peace-> shoudl be fine
[12:23] <soee> robin0800, what ?
[12:23] <robin0800> soee: how do you get 4.8?
[12:24] <failureR> Peace-: I'll try that thanks
[12:24] <soee> robin0800, it is ine beta backports: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[12:24] <Peace-> robin0800: you need the beta repository
[12:24] <Peace-> btw kmix sucks
[12:24] <Peace-> :) remove kmix install veromix
[12:24] <failureR> thank you
[12:24] <soee> naah :D we must first solve problem with kmix -.-
[12:25] <Peace-> soee: well kmix has a bug that increase the cpu usage--- 100%
[12:25] <Peace-> i guess it's better kill it
[12:25] <Peace-> or remove it and install the new plasmoid veromix
[12:25] <soee> yeah i know thats what im talking about
[12:25] <Peace-> sudo apt-get instal plasma-widget-veromix
[12:25] <Peace-> sudo apt-get install plasma-widget-veromix
[12:26] <soee> any idea if kmix will be fixed in RC2 ?
[12:26] <Peace-> mmm i don't know
[12:26] <Peace-> i am working only on plasma panel right now :D
[12:26] <Peace->  am quite noob
[12:26] <soee> :)
[12:26] <Peace-> soee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_qR-7FQHxc
[12:27] <Peace-> :)
[12:29] <DoctorPepper> hi guys!!!
[12:29] <soee> Peace-, yeah iv seen it :)
[12:29] <Peace-> lol
[12:39] <DoctorPepper> can anyone help please , since  yesterday   i have a wierd  issue   with fsck fire automaticaly on /dev/sda1 the /boot partition on every boot  even after  a clean shutdown
[12:43] <szal> DoctorPepper: fsck ALWAYS runs on startup
[12:43] <szal> !hcl
[12:51] <DoctorPepper> szal: any idea
[12:53] <szal> DoctorPepper: for starters, I don't get the problem
[12:54] <DoctorPepper> szal: it seems  that /boot partition  doesnt unmount cleany  when  i shutdown  the  computer unless i unmount it  manually
[13:08] <soee> amarok is resources monster
[13:09] <soee> is there any way to configure it to make it more lightweight ?
[13:13] <Peace-> soee: use vlc :)
[13:13] <Peace-> soee: or juk
[13:13] <Peace-> or.. :D a lot of stuff
[13:16] <soee> hehe :) yeah using/testting Bangarang, YaRock and Tomahawk
[13:16] <soee> also Clementine lokks nice
[14:26] <Klaus_Dieter> hello world
[14:26] <Klaus_Dieter> after the recent upgrade on kubuntu akonadi will not try to login to an imap server any more
[14:26] <Klaus_Dieter> akonadi just says login failed while the server does not receive a login command
[14:26] <Klaus_Dieter> seems like things are broken with akonadi once again.
[14:26] <joe11> Does anyone know how to get rid of 'recently used' files?  Kinda defeats the purpose of True Crypt to an extent when my 'secret' containers are listed there when the one goes to select a file...
[14:28] <Klaus_Dieter> it looks like this bug: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kdepim-bugs/2010-September/041204.html
[14:30] <Klaus_Dieter> this used to work in the last version... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=249992
[14:56] <faLUCE> hi how can I format to fat 16 /dev/sdb (usb flash drive) ?
[15:00] <rotsy> kaiza e
[15:11] <faLUCE> fter rebooting mkdosfs worked. thansk
[15:21] <faLUCE> well, nothing solved. I have an old motherboard. when I try to boot from usb disk (formated as fat 32) it says "No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found" . I formated the usb disk as fat 16 and now it hangs om boot. what could I do
[15:21] <faLUCE> [16:21] <faLUCE> ?
[15:40] <marco__> hi
[15:51] <Pliskin> hey, I have a weird bug with some widgets on plasma (the calendar and the notification widget) and I have the feeling that I'm the only one experiencing it (did some research). I don't know if it's a kde bug or graphic driver related, so I'll post here
[15:51] <Pliskin> here's a screenshot : http://hapshack.com/images/NcEhJ.jpg
[15:53] <Pliskin> as you can see, the lines split in two or more
[15:55] <tAbu> Hi to all. I'm a newbie user of lucid lynx, I have the system crashing to the point i have to hard reset it, also sometimes on loading i can see graphic glitches  in pointer and icons, I'm using ATI radeon 9200, been searching in forums but could not find a thread I could understand...
[15:56] <BluesKaj> Hey All
[15:58] <soee> Pliskin, try to remove it from the panel and add new one od desktop
[15:58] <soee> see if it looks the same
[16:01] <Pliskin> soee looks the same
[16:01] <rajuramvani> i cant login in pc because when i am start pc the coming only console entire my username
[16:04] <soee> rajuramvani, try type: start x or startx
[16:04] <soee> Pliskin, what KDE verions ?
[16:04] <rajuramvani> kubuntu 10.10
[16:05] <Pliskin> soee kde 4.7.4
[16:05] <Pliskin> but I had the same bug with 4.7.3
[16:13] <soee> Pliskin, try to create new user accout
[16:13] <soee> than login there and see if there happens the same
[16:24] <Pliskin> soee ok thanks, I'll try that later
[16:40] <crissi> hello
[16:40] <crissi> its there a ppa for kde 4.8rc1?
[16:40] <soee> yes
[16:41] <soee> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[17:10] <crissi> soee.. thanks
[17:15] <jtheuer> hi, there is so many about backups .. I'm looking for a convenient,daily,incremental/differntial,encrypted backup software. i have ssh and/or webdav access to remote backup space... and I want to backup my package config, etc and parts of home/ any suggestions?
[17:21] <genii-around> !backup
[17:23] <genii-around> Probably rsync for the files, another cronjob which does something like dpkg --get-selections to a file which would store your list of currently installed packages
[17:41] <jtheuer> genii-around: does any of the solutions have a graphical "restore file from history" utility?
[17:43] <darkwaveguru> hi people, im a penetration tester by profession however i have always used windows, i switched to using kubuntu as my home system about a year ago and am wanting to set up a linux system for work ive found the backbox 2 OS but after using it for a couple of weeks prefur the KDE Desktop. I was just wanting an opinion on which way of getting KDE Backbox. Would i be better installing Backbox 2 then installing Kubuntu Desktop From the
[17:43] <darkwaveguru> repo or Installing Kubuntu 11.10 then adding the repo's from Backbox?
[17:44] <genii-around> jtheuer: I think SimpleBackupSuite and Bacula. I use just rsync cronjobs to back up, when I want to restore something i do it manually
[17:50] <jtheuer> yeah, backup mostly works, recovery is the crucial part ;-)
[17:55]  * Peace- doesn't do bakcup
[17:55] <Peace-> i use home separeted  from the system so...
[17:56] <SunTsu> Peace-: ... so things are gone as soon your harddisk fails
[17:56] <Peace-> SunTsu: my date are stored on external tera disk
[17:56] <Peace-> datas
[17:57] <SunTsu> Peace-: or as soon as you do rm -rf /tmp/ *
[17:57] <Peace-> i have 1 tera and 1 tera for backups but they are externals
[17:57] <Peace-> :)
[17:58] <SunTsu> Peace-: I was just pointing out that keeping data apart from the system is no replacement for having a backup solution
[18:22] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[18:30] <usuario> gdgdhsfdh
[18:41] <cosmic> Help me ..... Why can not I install trinity-desktop
[18:45] <genii-around> cosmic: Did you follow the instructions at http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#ubuntu ?
[18:46]  * genii-around ponders the old KDE3 desktop
[18:47] <cosmic> genii-around:  Err http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net oneiric/main Sources
[18:47] <cosmic>   404  file does not exist
[18:47] <cosmic> Err http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net oneiric/main i386 Packages
[18:47] <cosmic>   404  file does not exist
[18:47] <cosmic> Ign http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net oneiric/main Translation-en_US
[18:47] <cosmic> ????
[18:48] <SunTsu> cosmic: what are we expected to say about a repository someone else runs - or stopped running?
[18:49] <genii-around> cosmic: Looks like it might currently be offline then
[18:49] <genii-around> ( or missing files, etc)
[18:50] <cosmic> Is there another repository
[18:50] <cosmic> genii-around: Is there another repository
[18:51] <SunTsu> cosmic: how would we know? I for one can't tell what that repository may conatin just by the name of it
[18:51] <SunTsu> contain even
[18:53] <cosmic> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-v3.5.13/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/source/Sources  404  file does not exist
[18:53] <cosmic> ?
[18:54] <genii-around> cosmic: Yes, we already went through this. Why don't you join the #trinity-desktop channel and ask them in there?
[18:55] <cosmic> May the lunch break
[18:59] <cosmic> genii-around:  when you open you .. http://mirror.ets.kth.se/trinity/releases/3.5.13/    ????!
[19:01] <genii-around> cosmic: There is no support here for the KDE3 desktop or the trinity desktop PPA or anything to do with it. It is a separate project maintained by a single guy at Pearson Computing. He's the one you need to bug about problems with it.
[20:35] <kubb> hi guys, any idea why i should be getting mono sound on kubuntu with emu0404? thanks
[20:35] <kubb> i use medibuntu for the firmware
[20:45] <mateuszch> Hi
[20:45] <mateuszch> for some reason I can't explain, my kubuntu is crashing on shutdown
[20:46] <mateuszch> here is what dbg gave me: http://pastebin.com/G0kFEZDc
[20:46] <mateuszch> anyone knows what  might be the reason for such behavior of kde?
[20:47] <mateuszch> thanks in advance
[21:07] <ted_> anyone know where to find some kodak printer drivers?
[21:11] <ted_> I need a 64 bit driver for a kodak ESP 3 AIO printer
[21:27] <babalu> hi guys i'm having an error on kubuntu when trying to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 :( http://i.imgur.com/DEDWI.png
[21:27] <EvilResistance> you couldnt have just translated could you have?
[21:27] <EvilResistance> i'm not sure many of us actually speak/understand french
[21:27] <EvilResistance> or w/e language
[21:28] <WFeather> holy resolution batman !
[21:29] <bbz> b
[21:31] <babalu> EvilResistance: most of the message is in english
[21:31] <babalu> EvilResistance: well, half the message
[21:31] <babalu> EvilResistance: update-manager-kde was marked for suppression
[21:31] <EvilResistance> its that other half i want to know about ;P
[21:31] <EvilResistance> i see.
[21:32] <babalu> EvilResistance: The package 'update-manager-kde' is marked for removal but it's in the removal blacklist (sorry wrong channel on #ubuntu)
[21:32] <EvilResistance> babalu:  i see...
[21:33] <babalu> EvilResistance: i've removed this package and i'm trying again a 'do-release-upgrade', as someone suggested
[21:33]  * EvilResistance never had the issue, but...
[21:33] <EvilResistance> yeah that might work, i assume you did it via the terminal :P
[21:34] <babalu> ye, but i've also tried with the terminal when the package was still installed, and i had the same issue
[21:34] <babalu> let's see what happens now that the package is not there anymore
[21:34] <Tm_T> babalu: you have kubuntu-desktop package still installed?
[21:35] <babalu> Tm_T: how to know without installing/removing?
[21:35] <Tm_T> it would help to have it installed AFAIK
[21:37] <Tm_T> babalu: but for example "apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop" should say if it's installed
[21:37] <babalu> Tm_T: trying to install it, but getting an error E: faulty package
[21:38] <babalu> Tm_T: this command returns that it's installed: http://pastebin.com/gpxzNmPi
[21:44] <Tm_T> babalu: good (:
[21:50] <bbz> /server irc.cyber-gate.net
[21:51] <babalu> EvilResistance: Tm_T: it's upgrading now :)
[21:51] <Tm_T> babalu: good, good luck (:


[01:46] <johnlittle> poningru I've done a couple of sections
[02:55] <rjian> hello people
[03:25] <poningru_> did someone do uwn?
[03:25] <poningru_> frack
[03:27] <poningru> seriously no one?
[04:00] <rjian> good morning
[04:13] <elkbuntu> poningru, johnlittle said he did some on uwn
[04:14] <poningru> yeah but we need to do community news
[04:14] <poningru> but we need more stuff added in
[04:16] <elkbuntu> talk to john about it i guess
[04:17] <poningru> ... elkbuntu oh comeon you can come up with something right?
[04:17] <poningru> johnlittle: ping
[04:18] <elkbuntu> poningru, unfortunately not at the moment. got people coming around in half an hour for a bbq
[04:19] <poningru> :(
[04:19] <poningru> err have fun :)
[04:20] <Madpilot> greetings all
[04:20] <elkbuntu> poningru, i hope so.. maybe this fellow has some ideas
[04:20] <Madpilot> johnlittle, you know you can upload images directly to the wiki?
[04:28] <MenZa> Hey MAdpilot.
[04:28] <MenZa> Madpilot*
[04:30] <Madpilot> hi MenZa
[04:38] <johnlittle> madpilot: I just assumed that I couldn't. I'll go check it out
[04:39] <Madpilot> johnlittle, before you hit the Edit link, look in the dropdown menu to the right of it - one of the options is "Attachments"
[04:39] <johnlittle> cool. thx
[04:43] <johnlittle> I'm changing my UWN stuff now
[04:44] <poningru>  :)
[04:46] <johnlittle> done
[04:46] <johnlittle> madpilot: thx for the tip
[05:00] <Madpilot> np
[06:19] <johnlittle> johnlittle: ping
[06:19] <johnlittle> johnlittle: pong
[06:19] <nixternal> having fun?
[06:19] <johnlittle> lol
[06:19] <johnlittle> I just realized the UWN is  doc team project
[06:20] <nixternal> it was originally...it got changed to a marketing team project for one reason or the other
[06:20] <nixternal> you need to be in with the dev's for a lot of it, and you have to scour the heck out of all the mailing lists
[06:21] <johnlittle> yeah..been contributing where i can
[06:21] <nixternal> i used a feature in kontact, as i subscribe to all the mailing lists pretty much..and i have it create a report for the week of .... and then i have pretty much everything i need
[06:21] <johnlittle> should I edit the wiki then..it says its a doc team project
[06:21] <nixternal> general community news is the easiest...there was linux  world and ubucon this week, so those will be the 2 biggest stories
[06:22] <nixternal> then you need to add the latest edgy releases for each distro, dapper updates for each distro, and meeting minutes for each distro if there are some
[06:22] <nixternal> if there are no minutes, gotta read the #ubuntu-meeting logs and in a way make them yourself...that kinda stinks
[06:23] <nixternal> this week i didn't pay attention to much as the UWN was going to be handled by someone else, so i laid back a little and worked on some doc work and packaging..and now some sleep i think
[06:24] <johnlittle> Whos that someone else?
[06:24] <nixternal> i think matthewrevell, but i could very well be mistaken
[06:24] <johnlittle> right..but he is dealing with his dad
[06:24] <nixternal> thats right
[06:25] <nixternal> forgot about that
[06:25] <nixternal> well then, everyone could chip in
[06:25] <nixternal> hiya MitchM
[06:25] <johnlittle> I've dont three sections so far
[06:25] <johnlittle> done
[06:25] <johnlittle> I can do the general community news too
[06:25] <MitchM> enjoyed the e-mail you sent out to the mailing list nixternal
[06:25] <nixternal> heh, i send out many...which one?
[06:26] <nixternal> i was i bitching in it at all?
[06:26] <MitchM> "Step down considerably"
[06:26] <MitchM> i believe to be the subject
[06:26] <nixternal> thats the john baer one i think
[06:26] <MitchM> oh just stressed some good market points
[06:27] <MitchM> so how's the channel tonight? everyone alive and well?
[06:27] <nixternal> i actually had someone tell me that door-to-door isn't grassroots..i about fell out of my chair at the utter stupidity of the comment...door-to-door is where grassroots originated, before the word technology was even known ;)
[06:28] <nixternal> im just stopping in..i had a very exciting day at the air&water show in chicago
[06:28] <MitchM> ah very nice
[06:28] <nixternal> i got rid of the rest of my ubuntu disks, 200+...handed out who knows how many flyers..gave a speech today at a local university
[06:28] <nixternal> good stuff
[06:29] <MitchM> meh; the poor kid probably thought grassroots meant windows 3.1
[06:29] <MitchM> *nods head in shame*
[06:29] <nixternal> lol
[06:29] <MitchM> oh very nice nixternal...
[06:29] <MitchM> im trying to organize my local lug into another install fest
[06:29] <nixternal> i wanted to setup demo machines..but the electrical union in chicago wouldn't allow it
[06:29] <MitchM> bah...
[06:29] <MitchM> blast them.
[06:29] <nixternal> i have an install fest wednesday i believe
[06:29] <MitchM> expected attendance?
[06:30] <nixternal> i don't know what im going to do..i hope i get another shipment of disks in
[06:30] <nixternal> 100+
[06:30] <MitchM> yeah... we seem to be short on all our disks
[06:31] <nixternal> im hoping to make it strictly ubuntu..but i know the college lug will be there with their gentoo and slackware disks...they tried last time..and only had 15 or so, while me and the other Ubuntu Chicago guy had 80+, including a few women
[06:31] <MitchM> did you happen to see the YouTube video of the Ubuntu cd's being destroyed?
[06:31] <nixternal> ya, i could have used those
[06:31] <nixternal> ;)
[06:31] <MitchM> =) same
[06:31] <Madpilot> MitchM, link me?
[06:31] <MitchM> Oh geeze...
[06:31] <MitchM> let me look :-)
[06:32] <nixternal> lol
[06:32] <johnlittle> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RpoWKpAL9Q
[06:32] <MitchM> and there you go.
[06:32] <nixternal> fthat was quick
[06:32] <nixternal> he has it bookmarked
[06:32] <MitchM> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RpoWKpAL9Q (for posterity sake)
[06:32] <nixternal> johnlittle: how come that isn't posted on ubuntuvideo?
[06:32] <nixternal> i mean, that is an ubuntu video
[06:32] <MitchM> lol.
[06:32] <MitchM> typo... bah.
[06:33] <nixternal> you can't only show the positive, gotta show the negative as well
[06:33] <Madpilot> johnlittle, isn't Marketing 101 "There is no such thing as bad PR?" ;)
[06:33] <MitchM> is that a rule?
[06:33] <MitchM> :-)
[06:33] <johnlittle> madpilot: only if youre paris hilton
[06:33] <MitchM> lol.
[06:33] <nixternal> johnlittle: i take it you have seen the vw commercials where the car gets totalled?
[06:33] <MitchM> I was going to say something; but i decided not to
[06:34] <nixternal> there is a message behind it, turn the video into a message
[06:34] <johnlittle> id rather not popularize that activity
[06:34] <MitchM> like.... at the end make a penguin hack him to pieces?
[06:34] <MitchM> i finally understand nixternal...
[06:34] <johnlittle> i can spin it but id rather not highlight it
[06:34] <Madpilot> OK, the dumb laughing in the "soundtrack" of that just makes me snicker
[06:35] <MitchM> agreed
[06:35] <Madpilot> as is the fact that they're using an axe on carpet - their mom is going to ground them all... :)
[06:35] <MitchM> so I was going to buy a loco related domain name "locolinux.com" -- but I really have no purpose for it lol
[06:35] <MitchM> one of those _sweet_ preemptive strikes...
[06:36] <Madpilot> I was going to register "windowsvirusta.com" ;)
[06:36] <MitchM> =)
[06:36] <nixternal> heh, i have free vista cd's coming from msdn
[06:36] <MitchM> locolinux = cool double meaning though
[06:36] <MitchM> crazy for linux
[06:36] <MitchM> + you know
[06:36] <Madpilot> nixternal, you own an axe, right????
[06:36] <nixternal> haha yup
[06:36] <MitchM> lol!
[06:36] <johnlittle> the suse commercials are awesome: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kIKI2piZsWg
[06:36] <MitchM> Now that I _would_ post
[06:37] <nixternal> what self respecting hillbilly wouldn't own an axe ;)
[06:37] <MitchM> *raises hand*
[06:37] <MitchM> but i have a shotgun...
[06:37] <MitchM> that would make a nice twist
[06:38] <MitchM> "boom goes windows"
[06:38] <Madpilot> MitchM, shotgun + Vista CDs... obvious, really ;)
[06:38] <MitchM> lol.
[06:38] <Madpilot> "Shooting out windows"
[06:38] <nixternal> oh, i have plenty of firearms now...im a gun toting 20+ year nra member ;)
[06:38] <nixternal> haha
[06:38] <nixternal> Vista Skeet Shooting
[06:38] <MitchM> lol
[06:38] <MitchM> I like that idea
[06:39] <MitchM> My company subscribes to the windows action-pack
[06:39] <nixternal> the ubuntu dolls video is still kickin' butt
[06:39] <MitchM> if nothing else all our cd's have "microshaft" on them...
[06:39] <MitchM> hands*
[06:40] <johnlittle> windows smash: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6JtHDkM9JhM
[06:41] <MitchM> well
[06:42] <MitchM> not what I was expecting
[06:42] <MitchM> but still pleasing to the eyes
[06:45] <MitchM> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9BON5nd8Fg
[06:53] <Madpilot> short & strange: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bfLmkwHkA
[06:54] <Madpilot> nixternal, is that ^^^ the 'Ubuntu dolls' video you meant, or is there another one?
[07:15] <Madpilot> johnlittle, tomboy's actually already been covered in UWN - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue2
[07:15] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: tomboy as default part of the desktop is new
[07:15] <Madpilot> tru
[07:15] <Madpilot> true, even
[07:15] <Burgundavia> so you can briefly say it is and then link back
[07:16] <johnlittle> ok I'll kill it
[07:16] <Burgundavia> no, don't kill the whole section
[07:17] <johnlittle> I wasn't suggesting that..I'll do something else
[07:17] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[07:22] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: are you working on the weekly news?
[07:24] <johnlittle> burgundavia: I'm working on Ubuntu Video but was going to edit UWN in a few minutes
[07:24] <Burgundavia> very cool
[07:24] <Burgundavia> I am going to work on it later tonight
[07:24] <johnlittle> I've add three sections but need to edit the tomboy part
[07:24] <johnlittle> added
[07:25] <johnlittle> was about to add the golden penguin story but it was added to the fridge as I was working on it
[07:38] <johnlittle> Roblimo has given me permission to deep link his videos on linux.com and other sites so I'm working up a special page for folks without Flash
[07:38] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/linux_com_ubuntu_videos
[07:38] <Burgundavia> cool
[08:09] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: I'm done with UWN if that deskbar writeup works for you
[08:10] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Hrm lemme edit photo..nm
[08:12] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: ok, I will start editing and hopefully we can get this out
[08:13] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: I need about 2 minutes
[08:13] <Burgundavia> ok, will wait
[08:18] <elkbuntu> good to see some life in here today :)
[08:18] <Burgundavia> indeed
[08:18] <Burgundavia> hey elkbuntu
[08:19] <Burgundavia> I had a question for you, but I forgot what it was :(
[08:19] <elkbuntu> about the counter or the surveys?
[08:19] <Burgundavia> maybe the former
[08:20] <Burgundavia> the survey stuff should be combined with the /mystory stuff
[08:20] <Burgundavia> I have been speaking with Chris Kenyon here (he was at Ubucon)
[08:20] <elkbuntu> after the results are in, you mean?
[08:20] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:20] <Burgundavia> anyway, chat with him
[08:22] <elkbuntu> yeah, i am anticipating that the MarketingTeam/Research page can act as a hub for anyone to go to to get research information and stuff.. it's only young yet. andreas' other survey stuff is linked from there also
[08:23] <elkbuntu> i think maybe once it's established we might move it to just /Research or something also
[08:27] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Done. sry about the delay.
[08:27] <Burgundavia> no worries
[08:29] <elkbuntu> speaking of chris.. anyone know what the winning tshirt design was?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> no idea
[08:30] <elkbuntu> i havent heard/noticed anything since.. and it's been 11 days since the deadline :|
[08:30] <poningru> Burgundavia!!
[08:32] <Burgundavia> hey poningru
[08:32] <Burgundavia> ok, lets get this UWN out
[08:36] <poningru> so sorry about this /me was working on something for wikipedia
[08:37] <Burgundavia> no worries
[08:37] <Burgundavia> I am working on it now
[08:39] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Done. I forgot to add a sentence about adding deskbar to a panel. I can do that quickly once you've made your edits
[08:39] <poningru> Burgundavia: are you working on expo stuff?
[08:40] <Burgundavia> LWE? I was
[08:40] <Burgundavia> gnome booth, not Ubuntu one
[08:40] <poningru> Burgundavia: no talking about putting brief para about the expo in the UWN
[08:41] <johnlittle> the suse stuff is hilarious...poor guys
[08:41] <poningru> hehe yeah
[08:46] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: all yours
[08:47] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: yay
[08:47] <johnlittle> ;)
[08:48] <Burgundavia> let me know when you are finished, I will get this thing finished and out the door
[08:49] <elkbuntu> anyone know how matthewrevell and his father are?
[08:49] <Burgundavia> no, what was the issue?
[08:49] <elkbuntu> not really sure. he was waiting on test results the other day
[08:49] <elkbuntu> so sounds sort of evilly serious :(
[08:49] <Burgundavia> hmm, that is too bad
[08:50] <elkbuntu> yeah, cant help but to feel bad for them
[08:51] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[08:52] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: done
[08:52] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: please feel to proof it while I search for further content
[08:53] <elkbuntu> whats the url?
[08:53] <johnlittle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue10
[08:53] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue10
[08:53] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: hah, beat you ;)
[08:53] <elkbuntu> wow, nice synchronisation there
[08:53] <johnlittle> lol
[08:53] <elkbuntu> youse both got to me at the same second
[08:55] <elkbuntu> want me to edit out the errors, or write em down?
[08:55] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: edit them out
[08:55] <Burgundavia> I am currently in content searching mode, not creation
[08:56] <johnlittle> I'm in error creation mode ;)
[08:56] <Burgundavia> right
[08:56] <Burgundavia> I am perpetualy in that mode
[08:56] <elkbuntu> woohoo. finally loaded the edit page
[08:58] <Burgundavia> nixternal: UWN. got any content?
[08:58] <elkbuntu> hmm.. does: Jorge Castro and Corey Burger with Canonical's Malcolm Yates  sound better than: Jorge Castro and Corey Burger and Canonical's Malcolm Yates   ?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> is that not the same?
[08:58] <poningru> yeah
[08:58] <Burgundavia> yes, lots of ands are bad
[08:58] <Burgundavia> change as needed
[08:59] <poningru> elkbuntu: can we not go: Jorge, corey and canon's malcom
[08:59] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, drop the first 'and', just use a comma
[08:59] <johnlittle> dont forget to add names to the credits
[08:59] <poningru> what he said ^^^
[08:59] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, ok.. i barely passed english in highschool.. so im a bit cautious about jumping in on some things ;)
[09:00] <Madpilot> heh. English was the one course in high school I consistently did well in :)
[09:00] <poningru> elkbuntu: hehe me too, I only took one english course in college
[09:01] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, our exam was absolutely pathetic.. 'compare the symbols of light and dark between MacBeth and The Year of Living Dangerously'
[09:01] <poningru> I want to add couple of lines to each wiki page
[09:01] <poningru> err hold on
[09:02] <Madpilot> poningru, change the template for every page, you mean?
[09:02] <jenda> I'll be right with you to help out (if still possible)
[09:02] <jenda> Just got up.
[09:02] <poningru> Madpilot: sure
[09:02] <poningru> Madpilot: well yes and not
[09:02] <poningru> hold on i want to apply this patch to our wiki
[09:03] <poningru> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php?r1=15930&r2=16137&sortby=date
[09:03] <poningru> grr wtf
[09:03] <poningru> ok well he didnt do that patch correctly
[09:04] <poningru> but basically I want to add that
[09:04] <Burgundavia> poningru: we use moinmoin
[09:04] <poningru> getting ready for firefox 2.0 ;)
[09:04] <Burgundavia> right
[09:04] <poningru> oh
[09:04] <Burgundavia> anyway, who is currently editing? elkbuntu or poningru?
[09:04] <elkbuntu> i am.. slowly
[09:04] <Burgundavia> ok, no worries
[09:06] <johnlittle> She's renaming it Elbuntu's Weekly News
[09:06] <johnlittle> grr I'm buying a new keyboard in the morning
[09:08] <poningru> johnlittle: /me has a bunch lying around you can have one if you find a way to get it to you
[09:08] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, lol
[09:10] <johnlittle> poningru: thx..i have some corded ones in the closet but I'm going to go replace this wireless one with an upgraded model
[09:10] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: ping me when you are done
[09:10] <poningru> johnlittle: spoiled :p
[09:10] <johnlittle> lol
[09:11] <johnlittle> well i should be spending my money on women and beer tonight but I'm working on UWN..that alone is enough savings for a keyboard
[09:11] <elkbuntu> just hit save, Burgundavia
[09:12] <elkbuntu> so give the darn thing a few seconds to compute ;)
[09:12] <johnlittle> er minutes you mean
[09:13] <elkbuntu> basically just re-worded the first community news to flow a bit better
[09:13] <Burgundavia> ok, added new sections
[09:13] <elkbuntu> feel free to undo it all ;)
[09:13] <johnlittle> Corey and Melissa need to be added to the credits
[09:14] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:14] <elkbuntu> all i did was change words around...
[09:14] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: what is your last name?
[09:14] <elkbuntu> Draper
[09:14] <Burgundavia> added
[09:15] <Burgundavia> ok, what else do we need?
[09:15] <elkbuntu> ugh, i feel dirty.. just booted the laptop into 'the other OS' to refresh myself in the workings of the opencd :|
[09:15] <johnlittle> bad elk
[09:15] <elkbuntu> i sort of need refreshing before i try pimp it on sfd :P
[09:16] <johnlittle> Anything for the bug stats?
[09:17] <Burgundavia> right, will do that
[09:19] <poningru> elkbuntu: uh... you were kidding right?
[09:19] <poningru> draper I mean
[09:19] <poningru> elkbuntu: let me know if you need help with the opencd
[09:20] <Burgundavia> bug information added
[09:20] <johnlittle> nice
[09:21] <elkbuntu> poningru, i dont need help, i just need to refresh myself with what is where so i dont fumble and look like a moron
[09:22] <elkbuntu> poningru, and... what do you mean am i kidding about my surname?
[09:25] <Burgundavia> ok, need another round of feedback
[09:25] <Burgundavia> I think we are ready to print
[09:26] <elkbuntu> gimme a few to skim over the new bits
[09:27] <poningru> Burgundavia: where do you get the bug information?
[09:27] <poningru> not the security...
[09:28] <Burgundavia> lp
[09:28] <poningru> oh.. didnt know it had that capabliity
[09:28] <johnlittle> should the new apps in edgy be bulleted?
[09:29] <Burgundavia> it is very basic
[09:29] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:29] <johnlittle> it's kind of hard to read
[09:29] <Burgundavia> oh, right, that is a bug
[09:29] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you still editing?
[09:30] <elkbuntu> almost done
[09:30] <Burgundavia> we need to do this stuff in gobby
[09:30] <poningru> gobby?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> I will setup a gobby session on my server when I get home, to deal with it
[09:30] <Burgundavia> collaborative editor
[09:30] <poningru> woah
[09:31] <Burgundavia> allows us all to edit at the same time
[09:31] <elkbuntu> ok... i've hit save.. i keep forgetting to hit 'trivial change' to avoid spamming people :|
[09:31] <johnlittle> heh you can see Automatix in the screenshot for deskbar..should I redo it or does it matter?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> not really
[09:32] <johnlittle> good
[09:32] <rjian> hello people
[09:33] <johnlittle> hello person
[09:33] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, is there any more to be added or is it ready to roll?
[09:33] <Burgundavia> pretty much ready to roll
[09:33] <elkbuntu> :)
[09:33] <johnlittle> roll away
[09:33] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: you want to honours to send it this week?
[09:33] <Burgundavia> I will tell you when
[09:34] <Burgundavia> I am going minor wording edits
[09:34] <elkbuntu> probably undoing the edits i did :P
[09:34] <johnlittle> Burgundavia - How is it sent?
[09:34] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, got a dinner bell to ring?
[09:35] <johnlittle> lol
[09:35] <elkbuntu> "Come n' get it!"
[09:35] <Burgundavia> pretty much you copy the raw code and send it to ubuntu-news
[09:35] <Burgundavia> let me do a final edit and then we are good to go
[09:37] <rjian> Burgundavia: Do u have anysuggestion?? I will be conducting FOSS conference on my place this comming september...
[09:37] <Burgundavia> hmm, not really in a place to help you right now
[09:37] <Burgundavia> In a mall with free wifi and I need to get UWN out before it closes
[09:39] <rjian> hmmm
[09:39] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: can you edit the news template to be the same as the #9 (mostly the footer about being a marketing team effort)
[09:39] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: sorry, to be clear, just change the footer
[09:39] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu, johnlittle: final changes?
[09:40] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: No changes here
[09:40] <Burgundavia> ok, adding toc
[09:41] <rjian> hmmm maybe after may documentation i can participat here.. hehehe
[09:43] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: template edited
[09:43] <Burgundavia> thanks
[09:44] <Burgundavia> final final sanity check
[09:44] <johnlittle> image missing on the kubuntu post?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: you need to copy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue10?action=raw to an email and email it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:45] <Burgundavia> I will approve it through
[09:45] <Burgundavia> I killed the kubuntu thing
[09:45] <johnlittle> ah
[09:45] <Burgundavia> screenshot was not ready
[09:45] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you think we are good to go?
[09:45] <elkbuntu> sec..
[09:46] <elkbuntu> looks good to me
[09:47] <Burgundavia> ok, john, send that email
[09:47] <johnlittle> subject Ubuntu Weekly News #10?
[09:47] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:47] <Burgundavia> remeber to kill any signatures
[09:48] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: sent
[09:49] <Burgundavia> cheers
[09:49] <johnlittle> they can close the mall now
[09:49] <Burgundavia> dude, your paste was off
[09:49] <Burgundavia> please resend
[09:49] <johnlittle> eh I checked..what was wrong with it?
[09:49] <Burgundavia> cut off at the developer notes
[09:50] <Burgundavia> resend, it might be a mailman issue
[09:50] <johnlittle> yeah i see the whole thing in sent email...resending
[09:51] <Burgundavia> not seeing it yet
[09:51] <johnlittle> resent
[09:51] <Burgundavia> I hope it doesn't get stuck on the back of a slow truck *grin*
[09:52] <Burgundavia> ok I see the same error, but I trust you
[09:52] <johnlittle> yikes.
[09:52] <elkbuntu> sure it's not a mail client error?
[09:52] <johnlittle> I'm looking at my sent mail again..I show the whole thing
[09:53] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: umm, ick, you sent HTML email, but it did get through
[09:53] <Burgundavia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-August/000049.html
[09:53] <Burgundavia> well, that is it for me
[09:53] <Burgundavia> night everybody
[09:53] <elkbuntu> night Burgundavia
[09:54] <jenda> whoa, looks I came just late
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> bugger :(
[09:54] <jenda> Is there anything to help with left?
[09:54] <elkbuntu> dont think so...
[09:56] <jenda> Missed this, missed that... the leader of the Czech loco pung me a while ago and now he isn't there. That's what I call being absent from the right place at the right time.
[09:56] <elkbuntu> dont fret too much jenda. you cant be everywhere all the time
[09:56] <jenda> :)
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, :| i think you do enough to be able to miss 1 or 32 things
[09:56] <jenda> hehe
[09:57] <elkbuntu> exactly
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[10:00] <johnlittle> oh..one of the benefits associated with sending UWN appears to be getting the out of office replies people send
[10:00] <jenda> Shouldn't "the Novell team strong showing" be "the Novell team's strong showing" ?
[10:00] <elkbuntu> eeps.. i didnt notice that :|
[10:01] <jenda> I'll do it
[10:01] <elkbuntu> just on the wiki, yeah
[10:01] <jenda> done - and is it LinuxWorld Expo or LinuxWorldExpo?
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> former
[10:02] <elkbuntu> leave it as the former
[10:02] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue10
[10:02] <jenda> elkbuntu: 'leave it' is relative - it's there twice, each diff
[10:02] <johnlittle> LinuxWorld Expo
[10:02] <jenda> done
[10:02] <jenda> (see contents)
[10:02] <elkbuntu> ah ok
[10:02] <jenda> (err... "In this issue" section)
[10:03] <jenda> "both the Ubuntu community and Canonical had a strong showing."
[10:03] <jenda> Does that sound OK to you natives?
[10:03] <elkbuntu> yes
[10:03] <johnlittle> close enough
[10:03] <jenda> OK
[10:04] <elkbuntu> means the same thing
[10:04] <jenda> OK
[10:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> the USNs shoudl be dot points surely?
[10:05] <elkbuntu> although showing is like a broader way of saying it.. it goes beyond just people to everything
[10:07] <jenda> "due to be in Edgy" vs. "due for Edgy"?
[10:07] <jenda> And whoa. "Anecdotal evidence suggests an overwhelming number of visitors"
[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats the context?
[10:08] <jenda> for the 'due', the context is GNOME 2.16, due for Edgy
[10:08] <jenda> or due to be in Edgy
[10:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> due in edgy
[10:08] <johnlittle> due for edgy flows better
[10:09] <johnlittle> or in
[10:09] <jenda> I think the author of the anectotal evidence part meant to say that from what people said about what they saw, right?
[10:09] <jenda> OK, "in" it is
[10:09] <elkbuntu> eeks.. jenda.. you're giving me a complex here :P
[10:10] <jenda> En either case, he didn't mean 'anecdotal evidence'... or is it 'she'? ;)
[10:10] <jenda> Trust me in evidence - I'm studying law :-D
[10:10] <elkbuntu> dunno who put it in initially
[10:10] <johnlittle> Corey
[10:10] <johnlittle> I believe
[10:10] <jenda> It's not important, really... I'm trying to think of a better way of saying it, though.
[10:10] <jenda> Reportedly, ...
[10:10] <jenda> would that work?
[10:11] <johnlittle> I think anecdotal is better
[10:11] <jenda> It meens a different thing.
[10:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> athttp://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=15554 (at is part of url)
[10:11] <elkbuntu> jenda, it's a newsletter, not a legal briefing
[10:11] <johnlittle> It just means that their observation lead them to that conclusion. However, there's no hard scientific data to back it up.
[10:12] <jenda> Anecdotal evidence would be "My grandmother was at the booth, and she was using Ubuntu with Gnome... ad you know what? She said her best friend does too"
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, ++
[10:13] <jenda> OK, we could just use a layman's terms expression: "From what we heard" or "It seemed to those present"...
[10:13] <johnlittle> anecdotal is used properly IMO
[10:15] <jenda> anecdotal evidence involves a story (anecdote) - judges in general according to a specific case. (Windows is not vulnerable to viruses, because my PC never had one. (It also never had an internet connection))
[10:15] <jenda> But that's just me :)
[10:15] <jenda> I'll leave it there, teeth screeching.
[10:17] <elkbuntu> jenda, maybe the story is from corey's point of view.. he noted alot of ubuntu users so it's his anectode?
[10:17] <jenda> gah :
[10:17] <jenda> )
[10:17] <johnlittle> http://www.bartleby.com/61/41/A0294100.html
[10:17] <johnlittle> see #2
[10:17] <elkbuntu> ok.. we'll leave it now
[10:18] <jenda> It's not used right, I assure you, but then again, if it seems right to 3 out of four of us - and the one is me - it will seem OK to most other people out there, and the rest won't complain.
[10:18] <jenda> johnlittle: anecdotal  anecdotal evidence ... so let's change it to anecdotal reports
[10:19] <jenda> would you agree?
[10:19] <elkbuntu> jenda, i think you're taking it too much to heart..
[10:19] <jenda> :)
[10:19] <johnlittle> No. I wouldn't change it.
[10:19] <elkbuntu> it's already been sent out anyway
[10:22] <jenda> aha
[10:22] <jenda> :-D
[10:22] <elkbuntu> hehe
[10:22] <jenda> I'll come in time, next time... :)
[10:23] <jenda> No, I won't, I'll be away all of next weej.
[10:23] <jenda> damn, "week".
[10:23] <jenda> Now you all know what keyboard I use.
[10:23] <jenda> Or do you... perhaps other keyboards have the j and k next to each other too :)
[10:26] <elkbuntu> the middle row of a US layout keyboard: asdfghjkl;'
[10:27] <johnlittle> what about dvorak keyboards?
[10:27] <elkbuntu> no idea
[10:27] <johnlittle> worst invention ever
[10:28] <elkbuntu> no, that would be those silly 'no letters on the keys' keyboards
[10:28] <johnlittle> lol
[10:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> oi, whats wrong with hh keyboard?
[10:28] <jenda> hehe
[10:28] <elkbuntu> i need to look at my keyboard to remember where the special chars in my passwords are.. and i've had them for like 5 months now
[10:29] <jenda> elkbuntu, johnlittle, I've been using a modded dvorak for over a year, and before I got a keyboard that could switch keycaps around, I used a blank one :-D
[10:29] <jenda> Bottom row: ;qjkxbmwvz
[10:29] <jenda> hm
[10:29] <jenda> I just got a bit of feedback on UWN
[10:30] <elkbuntu> you're such a geek, jenda :P
[10:30] <johnlittle> Dang..when you're getting called a geek in a linux IRC room... :D
[10:30] <jenda> Did I say "heavily modded"? :-D
[10:30] <jenda> AND I'm a non-techie
[10:31] <johnlittle> I have robots that type for me
[10:31] <elkbuntu> techie != geek
[10:32] <jenda> Anyway...
[10:32] <jenda> The Czech LoCo team leader thinks that the UWN should be GPG signed, and should come from a @ubuntu.com adress (this part is just for the image)...
[10:32] <elkbuntu> that's a decent idea
[10:33] <johnlittle> Yep
[10:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> why sign it?
[10:33] <johnlittle> +1 nerd street cred
[10:34] <jenda> Yes.
[10:34] <jenda> :-D
[10:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> right....
[10:34] <johnlittle> lol
[10:34] <jenda> BTW, he says he just got a job offer from Canonical...
[10:34] <elkbuntu> well.. integrity is important these days
[10:34] <jenda> But he won't take it - he'll work for Google.
[10:34] <elkbuntu> what was the job offer?
[10:35] <jenda> Not sure
[10:36] <jenda> BTW - I'm really REALLY happy with the dvorak. All wrist strains gone, typing is ery quick and easy :)
[10:37] <jenda> OTOH, I had to add a second mode switch to have a four layer kbd - since I need Czech and French letters too ( )
[10:38] <jenda> Which leaves a lot of space for useless stuff
[10:38] <elkbuntu> lol
[10:39] <johnlittle> have you used the character palette app in gnome?
[10:40] <jenda> Nah, I used xmodmap, with a list of unicode chars on the web somewhere. Useful, if you ask me
[10:40] <jenda> I have most of the Greek  :)
[10:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, you could probablay gte some good smiles out of that
[10:42] <dsas> Hi
[10:43] <dsas> Could whoever sent out the UWN make sure it fits in 80 characters width or something? I have to horizontal scroll to read all the text.
[10:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> what mail client are yo uusing o_0
[10:43] <johnlittle> http://gadgets.fosfor.se/the-top-10-weirdest-keyboards-ever/
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> btw. does uwn get sent to a special list? or where?
[10:44] <dsas> thunderbird
[10:44] <dsas> Kamping_Kaiser: ubuntu-news
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, i'm not on that
[10:45] <jenda> whoa
[10:45] <jenda> my TB does that too
[10:45] <jenda> not good
[10:45] <jenda> OK, noted for next time...
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl. food :)
[10:45] <jenda> johnlittle: if, by any chance, it is you who sends it out next time, don't forget to line-break
[10:46] <johnlittle> Jenda: I doubt it. I was just filling in for Matthew and following the instructions I had.
[10:47] <johnlittle> Jenda: But noted...just in case
[10:47] <johnlittle> no idea
[10:49] <dsas> can't you have a subpage off of the marketing page that has that and other information about the UWN
[10:50] <elkbuntu> i think it was more because it was sent out html
[10:50] <elkbuntu> plain text usually wraps automatically afaik
[10:51] <jenda> It was?
[10:51] <jenda> Another mistake, IMO...
[10:51] <jenda> UWN should be plain text.
[10:51] <jenda> But that's just an opinion.
[10:52] <elkbuntu> im not sure john was aware...
[10:52] <dsas> I'm surprised that no-one else has pointed out it tbh. There were complaints on sounder when sabdfl started sending html email....
[10:53] <jenda> It's not a problem - but I'm thinking I'll make a UWN editor's policy page somewhere.
[10:53] <dsas> I suppose it was only sent out an hour ago. I assume I won't be the first complainee anyway :)
[10:53] <elkbuntu> jenda, probably a good idea
[10:53] <jenda> (And I'll leave it up to the big bosses to decide which of the things we come up with will really be an editor's policy)
[10:54] <elkbuntu> the main thing is to follow nettiquet or however the heck it's spelled
[10:55] <dsas> netiquette ;)
[10:56] <elkbuntu> i think xchat has it.. but i probably disabled it..
[10:56] <jenda> I would as well
[11:12] <johnlittle> Matthew is firing off emails..no word on his dad yet though
[11:13] <jenda> yep
[11:14] <elkbuntu> tell him we're all thinking of them
[12:00] <jenda> yo, folks, please review the first draft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[12:01] <Nookie> hi! is there anywhere where i can get BIG posters or something like that to put in my computershop to show that ubuntu exist??
[12:02] <dsas> jenda: I'd swap the line breaks for "always send in plain text"
[12:02] <jenda> OK
[12:02] <jenda> yes, of course ;)
[12:02] <jenda> Nookie: I'd love to say yes...
[12:02] <jenda> But no, not yet :(
[12:03] <jenda> It is one of the purposes of the proposed SpreadUbuntu project, which I'm in charge of, but we aren't there just yet.
[12:03] <Nookie> jenda: hehehe well ill be waiting for them... =) because with such stuff ubuntu will get even more attention =)
[12:10] <jenda> Yes indeed :)
[12:15] <jenda> elkbuntu, johnlittle... https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter
[12:17] <johnlittle> looks good. Although the person sending it may not have an ubuntu.com address
[12:17] <jenda> And, I'd like to create an ubuntu-marketing project in launchpad, to cluster together the products we have there.
[12:18] <jenda> I'm aware of that shortcoming, john...
[12:18] <jenda> hmm
[12:19] <jenda> Well, perhaps it should be sent by someone who does. No offence meant - you'll definitely see me supporting your membership once you candidate :). But for now, if, for example, we have a look at the fridge, only members can become editors.
[12:20] <johnlittle> I only sent it this week because I was asked to.
[12:25] <johnlittle> I think Corey was just being polite. I wouldn't expect this to happen again.
[12:28] <jenda> It's no problem really :)
[12:53] <jenda> MenZa: have that site anywhere on hand? ;)
[12:53] <jenda> nvm, gotta run
[12:54] <MenZa> sure jenda
[12:54] <MenZa> http://um.menza.org
[12:54] <MenZa> I still need to implement the counter though
[12:54] <jenda> OK, and ya think I could have the source, later on, to fill it up with the required content?
[12:57] <MenZa> sure.
[02:15] <jenda> back
[02:17] <jenda> johnlittle: ping
[02:19] <jenda> elkbuntu: ping
[02:24] <elkbuntu> jenda, semi-pong
[02:25] <jenda> semi-hello
[02:25] <elkbuntu> watchin a tv show.. ad-break at the moment
[02:25] <jenda> I was semi-thinking that I could semi-create a launchpad semi-product for the ubuntu-counter.
[02:26] <elkbuntu> hmm.. you mean make it semi-official?
[02:26] <jenda> nah
[02:26] <jenda> just give it more of a community interface
[02:26] <jenda> We have products for the other projects
[02:26] <jenda> https://launchpad.net/products/fridge
[02:26] <jenda> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-magazine
[02:26] <jenda> https://launchpad.net/products/spreadubuntu
[02:26] <jenda> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter
[02:26] <jenda> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-video
[02:27] <jenda> And I'd make you the owner there.
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure i see ht4 point in a product tbh
[02:27] <jenda> ht4 point?
[02:28] <jenda> :)
[02:28] <jenda> It allows bug reports and specs
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) the
[02:28] <jenda> in a unified way for all the stuff we have.
[02:28] <jenda> It's what is used for all other things, such as the main website.
[02:29] <jenda> When you fing a mistake on www.ubuntu.com, you report a bug
[02:29] <jenda> If you have a suggestion, you spec it.
[02:29] <jenda> Some for ubuntu-counter
[02:29] <elkbuntu> hmm..
[02:30] <elkbuntu> i suppose it's a worthwhile idea.. however.. im a little worried about the 'multiple cook' effect that could arise
[02:30] <elkbuntu> afk a few
[02:31] <jenda> what do you mean?
[02:34] <jenda> made it themselves for now
[02:42] <elkbuntu> what i mean is, i'm worried whether people are going to try put too much meaning into it, and try build it up to the point it loses it's relevance and integrity.
[02:44] <elkbuntu> i've already had to add button versions for each distrobution on the page because kubuntu people wanted to make a kubuntu version of the whole site, which would end up in splitting the stats and hence ruining their value
[02:44] <elkbuntu> maybe im being over-protective, i dont know
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont think so
[02:46] <jenda> No, your point is valid
[02:46] <jenda> OTOH, launchpad doesn't create _another_ place with info - it links to the relevant places, and when a bug is reported there, you are emailed.
[02:49] <elkbuntu> i do need to add support for translation yet, it is on my to-do list for the site.
[02:49] <jenda> So spec it :)
[02:50] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: typos, for example, or breakages.
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> well those might come as resultsof internationalisatoin, *shrug* as youwill
[02:52] <elkbuntu> do you think the counter needs an actual wiki page, rather than just a link from it? im not sure it does personally, just asking
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do you get info abouta channel?
[02:56] <jenda> /cs info #chan
[02:56] <elkbuntu>  /cs info #channel
[02:57] <elkbuntu> you need to look through the various channels chanserv is in
[02:57] <elkbuntu> it'll randomly echo the notices to you in one of them
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok
[02:58] <elkbuntu> afaik you can set xchat to make seperate dialogs for services
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> it does by default, i turned itoff
[02:59] <elkbuntu> there you go then
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, topic needs updating
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> UWN 10, not 9
[03:04] <jenda> it's not locked, KK :)
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok :)
[03:06] <elkbuntu> dont you have mode buttons enabled?
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> have whats?
[03:06] <elkbuntu> look under 'view'
[03:07] <elkbuntu> 4th option.. puts little buttons to represent the modes next to the topic bar
[03:07] <jenda> :)
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> well the user mode buttons are useless
[03:11] <elkbuntu> i dont have them there for their uses.. i have them there for quickly glancing to see if topic is locked or channels moderated :P
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure if i'm going to actually get use out of them
[03:27] <elkbuntu> the ban list button is quicker than going all te way to the menu ;)
[03:28] <MenZa> elkbuntu: put the RSS feed information in the meta of the counter :)
[03:29] <MenZa> And is it possible for you to make one which only displays users (just a number) and one with machines?
[03:30] <elkbuntu> yeah.. i suppose i could do that
[03:34] <elkbuntu> MenZa, just the number or in a sentance?
[03:34] <MenZa> Just the number :)
[03:42] <elkbuntu> MenZa, http://ubuntucounter.org/rss-users.php for users and http://ubuntucounter.org/rss-machines.php for machines
[04:10] <elkbuntu> wb jenda
[04:11] <jenda> gah, you actually made me get out of bed :)
[04:11] <jenda> but thx - got disconected somehow.
[04:11] <elkbuntu> sorry :(
[04:14] <jenda> It's OK
[04:15] <jenda> I was about to get up anyway. 4 PM isn't the right time to sleep :)
[04:24] <elkbuntu> lol
[04:24] <elkbuntu> just having a nap were you?
[04:26] <jenda> yep
[04:26] <jenda> :)
[04:49] <panickedthumb> I want to see too jenda :)
[04:49] <jenda> not here ;)
[04:54] <elkbuntu> o.O
[04:55] <jenda> hehe ;)
[04:55] <jenda> amazing what a typo can cause...
[04:55] <jenda> I meant #ubuntu-meeting
[04:55] <jenda> s/ark/e/
[04:57] <elkbuntu> lol
[04:58] <elkbuntu> is there a marketing meeting now?
[05:00] <jenda> no
[05:01] <jenda> I'm working on integrating the ubuntuforums with the rest of the community...
[05:01] <jenda> which includes educating forum staff about the workings.
[05:02] <jenda> hello dabear
[05:02] <dabear> hi
[05:03] <dabear> I'm beginning to have a lot of tabs open now :p
[05:04] <jenda> As long as it's less than 15, you're safe.
[05:04] <dabear> 12 actually
[05:04] <jenda> urgh, I just counted 30
[05:05] <dabear> maybe I should use tree view instead of tabs view in xchat?
[05:05] <jenda> which means 28 channels... but two of those I don't usually hang out in.
[05:05] <jenda> Yes, it helps a LOT
[05:05] <jenda> (BTW, this is strongly OT)
[05:05] <dabear> yeah :P
[05:06] <dabear> hm, why aren't there any OP's here?
[05:06] <jenda> there are
[05:06] <elkbuntu> freenode policy to hide
[05:06] <jenda> :-D
[05:06] <elkbuntu> w00t
[05:06] <dabear> hm.. ho did you do that?
[05:07] <dabear> how*
[05:07] <elkbuntu> magic
[05:07] <jenda> yup
[05:07] <jenda> you need the right scripts, the right access, and the right command
[05:07] <dabear> hm, how can you controll chanserv like that?
[05:07] <jenda> you need to have the access.
[05:08] <jenda> I registered this channel, so I have full access.
[05:08] <jenda> and then, even if you don't have any scripts, you can type: /msg chanserv op <nick>
[05:08] <jenda> err...
[05:08] <jenda> /msg chanserv op #channel <nick>
[05:09] <jenda> like that :)
[05:09] <dabear> :)
[05:09] <jenda> And, BTW, #ubuntuforums uses the same system now, dabear.
[05:10] <dabear> yeah, okay
[05:10] <dabear> hm.. when not OT-ing, what do you guys do on this channel, really?
[05:10] <jenda> We market.
[05:10] <jenda> :-D
[05:10] <jenda> Well, you might want to see the Marketing Team wiki: wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[05:11] <dabear> oh
[05:11] <dabear> http-it please? :P
[05:11] <jenda> we take care of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, the Fridge (but there is #ubuntu-fridge), www.ubuntuvideo.com, spreadubuntu and the ubuntu magazine
[05:12] <elkbuntu> and sort of the counter too.. :P
[05:12] <jenda> damn
[05:12] <jenda> I knew I forgot something :)
[05:12] <jenda> Sorry :-D
[05:12] <elkbuntu> that's ok
[05:12] <jenda> And it had to be the one that you, who is watching, created ;)
[05:13] <elkbuntu> no need to worry,im not evil or dangerous
[05:14] <elkbuntu> we're also embarking on some research projects too, one involving surveying users
[05:14] <dabear> so elks for humans isn't dangerous? *bad taste of humour*
[05:14] <jenda> Yes, that is a particularly interesting one.
[05:14] <dabear> aren't*
[05:15] <elkbuntu> dabear, not as dangerous as bears are :P
[05:15] <dabear> ah
[05:15] <elkbuntu> jenda will testify, i'm fairly harmless
[05:15] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: BTW, the Fridge has reported bugs on it... ;)
[05:15] <jenda> Definitely more harmless than Da bear.
[05:15] <elkbuntu> he's gone to bed almost 2 hours ago now
[05:18] <jenda> aha
[09:13] <jenda> PlHL: careful, you seem to be susceptible to D-C-C exploits
[09:21] <MenZa> PlHL: your connection is quite fucked.
[09:21] <nixternal> heh, port 8001 bud
[09:21] <nixternal> !language
[09:21] <nixternal> ;)
[09:21] <MenZa> -marketing :d
[09:21] <MenZa> But yes.
[09:21] <MenZa> 'scuse me.
[09:21] <MenZa> PlHL: that's your punishment for using Cybercity :D
[11:53] <johnlittle> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3000620033916829403
[11:55] <johnlittle> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7166235331884680229
[11:56] <jenda> Shpamma-lamma-ding-DONG
[11:57] <jenda> If only sound worked in my firefox :(


[08:54] <uzer888> Moin
[18:54] <pencilandpaper> Hi, is anyone out there?
[18:58] <pencilandpaper> Hmm, I guess not.  I had a few questions to ask.  I was hoping that someone may be able to help me out.
[18:58] <pencilandpaper> :(
[19:35] <JTa> Nope
[19:59] <Kilde> Can anyone here help me install my vinyl cutter using tuxplot?
[20:04] <pencilandpaper> Hi there JTa , I think that I may have found the answer man.  But I appreciate your reply. :)
[20:05] <JTa> you are welcome pencilandpaper...ya I didn't want all your questions to go unanswered! ; )  Tanks
[20:05] <pencilandpaper> Cool, and yw..thanks.


[07:09]  * artienne looks around
[07:10] <artienne> ehm.. if anyone's around i'd like to ask a question
[07:15] <artienne> well.. i'd like to ask a question anyway, but it'd be nicer if someone saw it and was able to respond..
[07:18] <artienne> i guess it's good to see that irc hasn't really changed in the last fifteen years
[07:27] <Noskcaj> artienne, try #ubuntu
[07:27] <Noskcaj> !support
[07:28] <artienne> right


[16:10] <cheez0r> roaksoax: smoser: would any of the other node commissioning processes (booting the nodes from a CD and enrolling them in the MAAS for instance) sidestep the issue I'm experiencing with DNS name additions for commissioned nodes?
[16:10] <cheez0r> I need a working process so that I can move forward- one node has been successfully added to DNS but the others I add do not get added no matter what I've tried.
[16:11] <smoser> cheez0r, i have to defer to roaksoax
[16:11] <cheez0r> smoser: I hear ya, I'm just stuck and need to be moving forward.
[16:12] <cheez0r> My main issue is that I don't know how to manually add DNS entries to dnsmasq- I can't find where it successfully populated the one node that works so that I can manually add the ten others I've got in my MAAS.
[16:12] <smoser> understanable
[16:12] <cheez0r> Any pointers there?
[16:13] <smoser> really, i have to defer to roaksoax sorry.
[16:13] <cheez0r> k thx
[16:14] <pmatulis> cheez0r: one feature of dnsmasq is the ability to use the host's hosts file.  not sure if that can help here
[16:14] <cheez0r> hrm, ok. I'll play with that, thanks.
[16:19] <roaksoax> cheez0r: yeah, you could do that or maybe in cobbler_hosts specify host/ip
[16:22] <pmatulis> roaksoax: as a summary, name resolution of the nodes is not working?
[16:22] <roaksoax> pmatulis: it is, but you need to specify an IP address for the particular system
[16:23] <cheez0r> I am doing the following: static IP assignments in /etc/dnsmasq.conf and static hostname mappings in /var/lib/cobbler/cobbler_hosts
[16:25] <roaksoax> cheez0r: what I would do is to edit all the systmes and add an ip-address in cobbler
[16:27] <cheez0r> can I just edit the .json files directly?
[16:31] <pmatulis> roaksoax: meaning the resolution configuration is done manually, right?
[16:35] <roaksoax> cheez0r: pmatulis you'd have to do it manually yes
[16:40] <roaksoax> cheez0r: you could do something like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1027131/
[16:41] <roaksoax> cheez0r: and run sudo cobbler sync after that
[16:41] <cheez0r> schweet, you're the man
[16:48] <cheez0r> hrm. I still can't run cobbler system dumpvars "nodename" successfully
[17:02] <roaksoax> cheez0r: sudo cobbler system dumpvars --name "node-XYZ"
[17:03] <cheez0r> that works, thanks
[20:30] <adam_g> is support for deploying ubuntu releases other than precise on the roadmap?
[20:31] <roaksoax> adam_g: it should be
[20:32] <roaksoax> adam_g: we were talking about it this morning with Daviey and smoser
[20:32] <adam_g> ah, okay
[20:33] <adam_g> im currently just assigning the 'precise-x86_64' profile to the desired distro i want
[20:34] <roaksoax> adam_g: yeah I guess for now we should be doing that
[20:35] <roaksoax> for now until we have it upstream
[22:55] <Daviey> adam_g: Yeah, i didn't realise it wasn't currently possible.. :(
[22:56] <adam_g> Daviey: i'm not sure what the limitation or blockers are on the maas side, but its currently hard-coded in the juju maas provider to only support precise
[22:57] <Daviey> adam_g: yeah, when it was outlined to me.. i thought 'oh yeah!'..


[07:45] <vish> nice :D  >   http://0pointer.de/blog/photos/brussels-cathedral.html
[07:54] <darkmatter> lol. "It's not currently possible and would need an entire rewrite of the  GTK libraries. I believe that basically an RGBA colourmap needs to be  enabled a core level for rounded-corners in menus to become reality. " <--- people should like. educate themselves before flapping their gums.
[08:45] <darkmatter> darn. I can't post a reply because the site croaked on send. they're conspiring to block my honesty and freedom of speech!
[08:48] <zniavre> good morning
[08:48] <zniavre> darkmatter,  wich website is it ?
[08:50] <darkmatter> gnome-look.  I wanted to politely inform them that anti-aliased rounded corners have been possible since the late '80's. all 2D
[08:53] <zniavre> i was thinking install rgba module again on my lucid but atm it's almost broken
[09:20] <zniavre> vish, all murine themes does that ?
[09:21] <vish> zniavre: yup , in almost every theme using a murrine engine
[09:21] <zniavre> ok (it's not my new progressbar concept)
[09:21] <vish> hehe :D
[09:23] <zniavre> :o)
[11:19] <kwwii> darkmatter: nonsense, with our client side deco patch and rgba patch we get nicely anti-aliased rounded windows
[11:19] <kwwii> in fact, we can have windows of any size
[11:23] <darkmatter> kwwii: I meant that it can be done with a simple algorithm. no need for any level of compositing. no need to over-complicate crap. that post was like "omg! it's impossible without compositing! you'd need to rewrite gtk for that!"
[11:23] <kwwii> darkmatter: this is all possible without compositing
[11:24] <kwwii> anyway, time for lunch
[11:24] <darkmatter> kwwii: that's my point. it doesn't even require rgba. the nab I wanted to reply to obviously missed the late '80s
[11:24] <kwwii> ;)
[13:21] <zniavre> vish,  it must be something wrong with nvidia driver packaging i m trying last from nvidia.com and it works as a charm (murrine theme)
[13:22] <vish> zniavre: hmm.. maybe. or maybe they added a few bits to the nvidia ubuntu to make the gtk-csd work... but it is definitely  something worth mentioning in the bug
[13:22] <vish> zniavre: but I'm using ATI , and i have problems too
[13:23] <zniavre> ...
[13:25] <zniavre> ok sorry
[13:31] <vish> zniavre: nothing to be sorry about ;)  .. you can mention it on the bug , it might work for someone else too
[13:33] <zniavre> https://launchpad.net/bugs/523108  in fact it was another one but it solved xorg cpu eating
[15:54] <Viper550> Okay, so new theme for next release?
[21:06] <thorwil> ooh, inkscape just removed 666 unused definitions!


[17:59] <CitadelCore> Hello all. I'm having a strange issue deploying a Juju controller on top of an OpenStack environment
[17:59] <CitadelCore> The subnet the controller is on issues IPv4 addresses via DHCP and IPv6 via SLAAC
[18:00] <CitadelCore> However, when it boots it does not acquire an IPv6 address as can be seen in the VM logs which results in the provisioning timing out
[18:00] <CitadelCore> If I simply reboot the VM, it then correctly acquires a V6 address. This doesn't happen when I manually launch an instance on OpenStack with the exact same subnet and image (Ubuntu 20.04)
[18:01] <CitadelCore> I'm honestly not sure if this is an issue with Juju or OpenStack
[18:11] <CitadelCore> Nevermind, I found the issue
[18:11] <CitadelCore> It needed the ICMPv6 ingress rule in the default security route to recieve RAs, which is not added by default
[18:11] <CitadelCore> Bootstrapping with `--config use-default-secgroup=true` fixed the issue