[15:05] <dandrader> cnd, funny. it seems I gonna need an intra-application gesture ownership mechanism analogous to the touch ownership from XInput
[15:18] <cnd> dandrader, heh, what's going on?
[15:19] <dandrader> if a 3-touches gesture comes in, it will get two targets: a GesturalWindowSwitcher and the Compiz Window it hits
[15:19] <cnd> yeah
[15:20] <dandrader> once a tap-and-hold is recognized by the CompoundGestureRecognizer inside that GesturalWindowSwitcher
[15:20] <dandrader> the compiz window must stop reacting to that gesture
[15:20] <dandrader> otherwise it will move the window around while the window switcher is being displayed in front of it
[15:21] <cnd> yeah
[15:22] <dandrader> so I was thinking about making the GesturalWindowSwitcher claim exclusivity over that "hold" gesture so that the compiz window get a "you lost your gesture" event and no longer moves the window
[15:23] <cnd> it's annoying how many state machines have to be built for system gestures to work properly
[15:23] <cnd> c'est la vie
[15:23] <dandrader> I hope I'm making things as simpe as possible :)
[15:25] <cnd> yeah, it's tough


[04:15] <playenball> Finally got 17.10 tweaked to my liking but I am having two issues
[04:15] <playenball> I cant get Thunar to display video thumbnails
[04:16] <playenball> I also cant seem to get the boot splash screen to display at the right resolution of 1920x1080 for my display
[04:20] <berkiyo> Oh
[04:20] <berkiyo> hmm same here, I never cared about video-thumbnails
[04:20] <berkiyo> But I just realised, maybe it's the icon pack? (I doubt)
[04:21] <berkiyo> As for the boot-splash screen, what GPU do you have?
[04:22] <playenball> I have a hybrid intel/amd
[04:22] <playenball>  Card-1: Intel 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[04:22] <playenball>            bus-ID: 00:02.0
[04:22] <playenball>            Card-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Neptune XT [Radeon HD 8970M]
[04:22] <playenball>            bus-ID: 01:00.0
[04:22] <berkiyo> Hmm
[04:23] <berkiyo> Have you tried booting your laptop with the iGPU disabled (Intel GPU) if possible?
[04:24] <playenball> I hadnt thought of that. Ill give that a try. Its not a deal breaker......just anoying.
[04:28] <berkiyo> I have a dual display setup which I have the external monitor my primary when I plug my laptop in. Upon bootup, I just have plymouth (boot-splash) show on my laptop screen. I think this can be fixed if your BIOS/UEFI has an option to show post/bootsplash on VGA/HDMI/DP/internal display etcc..
[04:34] <playenball> Well disabling the iGPU didnt help
[04:43] <berkiyo> Are you using UEFI or Legacy to boot?
[04:43] <berkiyo> playenball, sorry for the late reply
[04:44] <playenball> UEFI
[05:09] <berkiyo> playenball: no idea man, I never investigated it but try doing some research regarding grub resolution
[05:09] <berkiyo> sorry about that
[05:11] <playenball> No big deal. Grub resolution was where I started. I had been searching for a few hours and hadnt found anything that worked. Thought maybe someone in here might have an idea.
[05:11] <playenball> The resolution isnt a problem in regular ubuntu.
[15:47] <PhoenixSTF> hey guys, is there going to be an update on the intel-microcode to fix the intelME vulnerability?
[18:17] <kgbme> new install, haven't been on xubuntu for a couple of years :( anything else critical, apart from enabling ufw and configuring sysctl.conf ?
[18:18] <kgbme> that is, if anyone's bothered. =)
[18:20] <pleia2> I haven't done those things, pretty much use it as it comes
[18:21] <kgbme> hm, sweet, but..:)
[18:21] <Unit193> Well, there's a bunch of things one can configure, it generally changes from person to person.
[18:21] <kgbme> oh hi Unit193 yea just curious if something critical is there that eye forgot :f
[18:21] <pleia2> just saying even what you listed is not critical for me, and many other users ;)
[18:22] <kgbme> pleia2: did u ever take a look at the file? :)
[18:23] <kgbme> plus someone is bashing our isp to dust last couple of days (configured the router, a little bit)
[23:06] <puff> good evening.


[00:06] <skellat> Noskcaj: Meh.  If the merges are allowed then I guess they aren't worried about having the CLA in place then for testdrive.  Don't worry that I brought it up at all.
[00:43] <pleia2> finally updated http://xubuntu.org/press/ thanks Unit193 for collecting links :)
[00:43]  * pleia2 on website bug triage duty now
[00:43] <Unit193> pleia2: Fantastic!  Sure.
[00:43]  * Unit193 figured he shouldn't just point out a bug you filed. :P
[00:46] <pleia2> it's been on my todo list for 4 weeks, too long ;)
[00:46] <Unit193> I had several other bugs I came up with, and provided info and or poked someone. :P
[00:47] <pleia2> well, all xubuntu-website bugs are triaged now anyway
[01:41] <Unit193> Would makeing them all at least BY NC ND, or maybe even BSD be a good idea?  (Attribution, NonCommercial, NoDerivs)
[01:41] <Unit193> Re: Desktop of the week.
[01:42] <pleia2> non-commercial is a non-free license, so no on that
[01:42] <pleia2> I'm thinking just BY
[01:43] <pleia2> (but BY even gets tricky if we want to toss it in a flier without attribution cluttering it up)
[01:43] <Unit193> Well, that gives the owner the most control.
[07:01] <knome> skellat, i was in the meeting where the dropping of A3 was planned, but... it was a long time ago and meh, i did expect the release schedule to be updated already
[07:02] <knome> skellat, so it isn't technically "without any input from us", it's just that people updated the official schedule page really late
[13:21] <skellat> knome: :-)
[15:35] <OvenWerks> bluesabre: are you around? I believe you are working on a menu editing tool for the user.
[15:39] <OvenWerks> Let me know what a good time to talk to you is. I am working on a similar project and have found something that may make things work better for you.
[15:40] <OvenWerks> I would at least like someone elses opinion and am not sure who else to ask.


[07:12] <inetpro> goeiemore
[08:31] <paddatrapper> hi superfly, inetpro
[13:29] <Kilos> hi guys, fighting a tough flu so sleeping most of the time, keep well and be good
[15:19] <superfly> hi paddatrapper, Kilos
[15:20] <superfly> Kilos: yes, lots of sleep
[15:30] <paddatrapper> Hi Kilos, superfly
[15:31] <Kilos> hi superfly paddatrapper chesedo inetpro and other lurkers
[15:38] <chesedo> hi Kilos superfly paddatrapper
[15:39] <chesedo> hope you get well soon Kilos
[15:39] <Kilos> ty chesedo so do i hehe
[15:39] <superfly> hi chesedo
[15:39] <Kilos> old man today
[16:03] <paddatrapper> Hi chesedo
[16:04] <paddatrapper> Kilos: certainly seems to be flu season. I'm also battling it
[16:04] <Kilos> eish worst one ive ever had
[16:04] <Kilos> a week now
[16:06] <paddatrapper> Eish. Mine isn't that bad. Hope you get well soon!
[17:30] <inetpro> good evening all
[17:30] <inetpro> oh hi Kilos as well even
[17:30] <inetpro> oh and*
[17:31] <inetpro> Kilos: you are so scarce even bushtech was asking about you yesterday :-)
[18:53] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:53] <Kilos> i will recover and be back to normal again
[18:55] <Kilos> sorry inetpro just hang in there
[19:21] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[23:41] <squish102> hey superfly, still in the US?
[23:55] <superfly> hey squish102, yep
[23:55] <superfly> not moving out any time soon
[23:55] <superfly> squish102: which state you in again?


[13:23] <psusi> where do you assign a bug that is caused not in a package, but in the way the iso was built?
[13:26] <rbasak> psusi: against the package that builds the iso I guess. That's ubiquity for the (Unity) desktop installer, not sure about flavours.
[13:26] <rbasak> I'm not sure if it's ubiquity actually, but it's a start. Can always be reassigned later.
[13:27] <rbasak> There's also live-build.
[13:35] <psusi> rbasak: that's the thing... ubiquity doesn't build the iso... it's just the installer so it doesn't seem like the right place for the bug, especially since it is only in how the lubuntu iso was built
[18:46] <asciiwolf> hello
[18:48] <asciiwolf> would it be possible to backport a small (but important) patch for one package to Xenial?
[18:51] <rbasak> asciiwolf: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[18:51] <asciiwolf> Here's a SRU bugreport for it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/playonlinux/+bug/1574805 - it includes the patch and a debdiff
[18:51] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1574805 in playonlinux (Ubuntu) "[SRU] GNOME Software catalog entry missing for PlayOnLinux in Ubuntu 16.04" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:52] <asciiwolf> What else I have to do? Thanks.
[18:53] <rbasak> asciiwolf: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure ?
[18:53] <rbasak> That's an itemised list of what you have to do.
[18:54] <asciiwolf> Yes, I did. But it is still not clear to me what else I have to do.
[18:57] <rbasak> That's all you have to do (and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Verification after the package lands in the proposed pocket)
[18:57] <rbasak> Which of those steps have you not completed?
[19:03] <asciiwolf> Well, to be honest, I'm not sure what I have to complete. Some of the points looks to be for package maintainers/developers or members of the SRU team, not for regular bugreporters like me... Or am I wrong?
[19:05] <asciiwolf> I have completed the first three points from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure + since the bug is already fixed in Yakkety, I have added a debdiff
[19:05] <asciiwolf> Now I'm trying to complete the fourth point - "Ask the Ubuntu bug control team to nominate the bug for the appropriate Ubuntu release(s)/series"
[19:06] <rbasak> You can do that by asking on this channel. Which Ubuntu releases? Just Xenial?
[19:07] <rbasak> What about step 1? The development task is not marked "Fix Released"
[19:07] <asciiwolf> yes
[19:07] <rbasak> OK, Xenial task added.
[19:07] <asciiwolf> well, that's probably my mistake... it was marked as fix released, but I changed it to "Confirmed" because it wasn't fixed in Xenial :-)
[19:08] <asciiwolf> so, my bad, sorry...
[19:08] <asciiwolf> thanks
[19:08] <rbasak> Refresh the bug - you'll see two lines now. One tracks the development release (currently Zesty) and the other Xenial now.
[19:08] <asciiwolf> I see
[19:09] <asciiwolf> I don't see the Zesty one though, just Xenial
[19:09] <teward> asciiwolf: the non-series'd one is the Development release (Zesty)
[19:09] <rbasak> The Zesty one isn't explicitly named. It's the top one against "playonlinux (Ubuntu)". You can change that one to Fix Released yourself (assumign it is)
[19:09] <teward> ^ that
[19:10] <asciiwolf> ah :-)
[19:10] <asciiwolf> done, changed it to fix released
[19:11] <rbasak> Step 2 looks done - the bug report is public.
[19:11] <rbasak> Step 3 is needed - the bug is missing a "[Regression Potential]" section.
[19:11] <rbasak> Step 4 I just did for you.
[19:12] <asciiwolf> ah, I didn't add the regression potential section because during my testing, I haven't found any potential regressions...
[19:14] <asciiwolf> I have added the regression potential section
[19:18] <rbasak> You can't really say "None". See the explanation in the procedure.
[19:19] <rbasak> For step 5, can you attach a debdiff suitable for Xenial? I don't see one in the bug. See the details in step 5.
[19:22] <asciiwolf> what's wrong with the one in the bugreport? "yakkety" in the changelog section?
[19:23] <asciiwolf> or something else?
[19:23] <rbasak> Yes, but also that the version number is already taken (by Yakkety)
[19:24] <rbasak> Also, it should have your name, not someone else's.
[19:25] <rbasak> (and then thanking yourself also would not make sense :-)
[19:32] <asciiwolf> Ah, I didn't make the yakkety package so I didn't want to give myself any credit for it :-) So where should my name be? Maintainer?
[19:34] <asciiwolf> (sorry for such stupid questions, this is my first SRU...)
[19:44] <rbasak> No not maintainer, just the tagline in the new entry in debian/changelog
[19:44] <asciiwolf> ah, ok :-)
[19:44] <rbasak> Asking questions is absolutely fine, as long as it's clear what you're asking. Thank you for helping us make Ubuntu better!
[19:58] <asciiwolf> :-)
[20:00] <asciiwolf> regarding the version number, I'm thinking about 4.2.10-2ubuntu2 but I'm not sure if it's okay since it's higher than the version number in yakkety (4.2.10-2ubuntu1)
[20:00] <teward> asciiwolf: if it's higher than the version number in yakkety you should do .1
[20:00] <teward> actually
[20:00] <teward> asciiwolf: mind looping me in on the specific bug please?
[20:00] <teward> so I have a basis to look at (rbasak is ahead of me here heheh)
[20:01] <asciiwolf> teward, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/playonlinux/+bug/1574805
[20:01] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1574805 in One Hundred Papercuts "[SRU] GNOME Software catalog entry missing for PlayOnLinux in Ubuntu 16.04" [Medium,Confirmed]
[20:02] <teward> 4.2.10-2ubuntu0.1 might work, since it's higher than Xenial but less than Yakkety.
[20:03] <asciiwolf> ok, thanks!
[20:04] <asciiwolf> by the way, is it safe to drop the "desktopfile-add-comment" patch... I think it's not needed since it's an empty file (the PlayOnLinux desktop file is patched directly in the debdiff)
[20:25] <teward> rbasak: ^
[20:27] <wxl> that versioning is strange. would we normally use ubuntu+1?
[20:28] <teward> wxl: A xenial SRU needs to have a version less than that in Yakkety but higher than that in Xenial
[20:28] <wxl> right. that part makes sense
[20:28] <teward> if they're prepping for a Xenial fix, and the Xenial package is 4.2.10-2 and the Yakkety has 4.2.10-2ubuntu1, then Xenial can become 4.2.10-2ubuntu0.1
[20:28]  * teward gives wxl the version chart for the bug at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/playonlinux
[20:29] <wxl> but if yakkety was 4.2.10-2ubuntu2, then we would use 4.2.10-2ubuntu1?
[20:29] <teward> wxl: but yakkety is -2ubuntu1
[20:29] <teward> not -2ubuntu2
[20:29] <wxl> teward: i'm talking hypotheticals, here, bub
[20:29]  * wxl files a bug against teward. more coffee needed.
[20:30] <teward> wxl: usually helps to say 'hypothetically speaking..." :P
[20:30] <teward> at this hour dinner would help more
[20:30] <wxl> teward: btw "if" often implies such a thing XD
[21:34] <asciiwolf> rbasak, I have uploaded a new debdiff and edited the Regression Potential section... Please, let me know, if everything is ok. Thanks :-)


[06:49] <ewet> HI, I'm still coming across this problem https://plus.google.com/+GrzegorzKarwowski/posts/hqJ2V9ZCC1U . SMB public shares are extremely slow in KDE 5 (Kubuntu 15.04). In the past I worked around it by deactivating kwallet. Setting "any" username/password in System-Settings/Connectivity doesn't work. What am I supposed to do?
[07:44] <ewet> no ideas?
[07:47] <valorie> ewet: have you searched the bugtrackers?
[07:48] <valorie> I've not heard others mention the problem
[07:49] <valorie> posting problems/bug reports to G+ seems a long way around the barn, so to speak
[07:49] <valorie> no bug # is mentioned in the G+ post
[07:57] <ewet> smbclient is behaving normally btw.
[07:59] <ewet> it might be related to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/550636. But I have really limited knowledge about KDE...
[08:25] <ewet> it might not actually just be related, that might be the bug. cifs-utils and smbclient work perfectly fine. It's just Dolphin its authentication mechanism.
[09:19] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:50] <chinychinchin> I cannot upgrade to lastest plasma 5 release in kubuntu 15.04 - anyone know why
[10:55] <chinychinchin> the latest release of kde has not been released  -  WHY?
[10:58] <hateball> chinychinchin: Because *ubuntu is not rolling release
[10:59] <chinychinchin> hateball: can you explain - since im a fedora/opensuse user - i have to use kubuntu a work
[10:59] <angel_30> guys I need help regarding the KDE DE
[11:00] <hateball> chinychinchin: It means that the version released with 15.04 (5.2) is what will be there until 15.10 is released
[11:00] <angel_30> Even with the debug symbols the packages used by the systray is still crashing like crazy
[11:00] <hateball> chinychinchin: If you want newer versions you'll have to use backports or a PPA
[11:00] <hateball> !ppa | chinychinchin
[11:00] <hateball> !backports
[11:01] <angel_30> uhm, is there really a problem on the system tray in Plasma 5.4 because it' still crashing like crazy in 15.04 vivid
[11:02] <chinychinchin> im using backports PPA but that does not have most recent release - i dont want to break labtop - so ill see if i can find good PPA
[11:07] <michael_p> hi
[11:08] <michael_p> i have tried 14:10 all i got was no signal from the monitor
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:09] <cutbudi> is amyone here with technical answers
[14:15] <BluesKaj> cutbudi,
[14:17] <cutbudi> hello tech people
[14:17] <BluesKaj> cutbudi, just tell us your issue
[14:18] <cutbudi> ok
[14:20] <cutbudi> i downloaded kubuntu latest version and it want properly up date, and I can not get clam anti virus to work
[14:24] <BluesKaj> cutbudi, how do you mean it doesn't work?
[14:24] <cutbudi> can anyone assist me?
[14:25] <cutbudi> well when I click on clam it want load
[14:29] <BluesKaj> cutbudi, which clamav did you install?  Clamav itself is a command line app...so you must have in the gui  version, correct ?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> installed the gui
[14:31] <cutbudi> not familiar with the gui...
[14:32] <BluesKaj> what are you clicking on then ?
[14:32] <cutbudi> when I tried downloading it from the site it says I have the latest version in my repository
[14:35] <cutbudi> hey blueskaj...Im gonna do a full reinstall...at the same time go run an errand....hope you can help me when I get back..
[14:36] <cutbudi> if its ok I will IM you
[14:36] <BluesKaj> cutbudi, install it from your packag manager
[14:36] <cutbudi> ok
[14:36] <BluesKaj> delete the version you downloaded
[14:37] <BluesKaj> always install from the package manager..that's the best policy
[14:37] <cutbudi> ok...is it ok to IM you in a couple of hours?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> just ask you question again when you come back ..i might not be here
[14:38] <cutbudi> ok kool thanks
[15:10] <yuriy> Hello
[15:10] <stuxnet> hi
[15:11] <yuriy> yesterday i've got big problems after i've gfot not enough memory on main disc
[15:12] <yuriy> i did free my disc but kubuntu starts working in very weird way
[15:12] <ss> hi guys
[15:12] <yuriy> so i boot my OS and it shows black screen
[15:12] <Guest28624> i have facing a issue can you help me out
[15:13] <yuriy> sometimes it loads some apps autostart, without kmenu
[15:14] <yuriy> sometimes simple screen without anything
[15:14] <Guest28624> few of my application icons are not coming with kubuntu 15.04....not even on search field on kubuntu default text editor...it shows black icon instead
[15:15] <yuriy> OS boots correctly when i delete .cache, .config, /var/tmp cacheches for the user
[15:15] <yuriy> but next boot could be with black screen again
[15:16] <BluesKaj> yuriy, have you enabled sddm with systemctl in the VT ?
[15:16] <yuriy> what do you mean VT?
[15:17] <horacy> Hello my question is: is KUbuntu 15.04 x64 compatible with Secure Boot???
[15:17] <yuriy> i think here is lightdm used
[15:18] <Guest28624> anyone here to answer my issue /
[15:18] <horacy> asking cause I have laptop whioch is locked to run only with secure boot enabled only :(
[15:19] <BluesKaj> yuriy, Virtual Terminal , ctl+alt+F1-F6 , odd because that problem seems to be with 15.04 , not earleir releases
[15:20] <BluesKaj> horacy, you can't change it he UEFI/BIOS ?
[15:20] <yuriy> yes, i use 15.04
[15:20] <yuriy> possibly you are right
[15:21] <BluesKaj> then you have sddm by default afaik
[15:21] <yuriy> ok
[15:21] <horacy> no its blocked only thing i can do is to turn into Legacy Bios Mode but than every os is freezing after some tiome of use :(
[15:22] <yuriy> so what i need to do to resolve that non stability
[15:22] <BluesKaj> horacy, make sure "quick boot " or whatever it's called on your pc is disabled too
[15:22] <yuriy> i even deleted fglrx driver
[15:23] <yuriy> some icons of some appps in kwin disabled
[15:24] <BluesKaj> yuriy, make sure you have the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver installed
[15:26] <yuriy> ok
[15:26] <BluesKaj> as a minimum
[15:26] <yuriy> already installed
[15:26] <horacy> unfortunatelly i dont have such thing only secure boot which is blocked thats all I can do :(
[15:26] <horacy> probably i have to reinstalll W8 now :(
[15:30] <BluesKaj> yuriy, open a terminal if you can , sudo systemctl enable sddm  or drop to a TTY/VT using ctl+alt+F1-F6 , and do the command there, then startx or reboot
[15:30] <BluesKaj> horacy, do see the grub menu ok
[15:31] <horacy> actuallu im before installing
[15:31] <horacy> i just needed an info about that is it working with SB or not
[15:32] <BluesKaj> horacy, it should work with secure boot if installed with UEFI method
[15:32] <horacy> ok thx
[15:32] <BluesKaj> !UEFI | horacy
[15:33] <horacy> so i will wait till i get some usb stick or dvd adn install it and yes i'm now on UEFI Bios Mode
[15:34] <BluesKaj> horacy, ok, hope it goes ok for you
[15:59] <bshah> okay a question.. how translations are packaged in the (k)ubuntu
[16:32] <DDR> Hi all, does anyone know why systemd asks for my disk encryption password every time my wifi reconnects?
[16:35] <sick_rimmit> DDR: I suspect it's looking for the WiFi Password, and needs to decrypt file maybe...
[16:38] <DDR> Could be, but it actually connects to the wifi fine.
[16:38] <DDR> (It is password-protected.)
[16:59] <mparillo_> DDR: Does this lead you anywhere: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344600
[17:00] <DDR> Since my network manager does remember, I don't think it'll lead anywhere... but I'll have a look as soon as I can, in an hour or so.
[17:15] <DDR> mparillo_: There was nothing relevant I could find there.
[17:16] <DDR> I haven't figured out what the disk password is actually needed for yet, either. Nothing seems broken, it's just very noisy about asking for it. Screws up my vim sessions and such, too.
[17:16] <DDR> (brb)
[18:41] <dev_> know any good channels?
[18:45]  * krytarik knows this one
[18:51] <vbgunz> I'm currently looking at 3 KDE crash dialog boxes on 15.04... I used systemctl to disable whoopsie, went into apport and disabled it, how do I stop these dialog boxes from popping up? KDE crash handlers are they?
[18:52] <vbgunz> I don't report the bugs, I never have enough information, I don't know what I did, it's pretty ridiculous. everything and its mother crashes every couple of minutes. honestly, just restart the application automatically? how can I do that?
[18:53] <vbgunz> drkonqi
[18:56] <cutbudi> Hello people...may I ask if anyone have any Ideas on how to harden kubuntu?
[18:57] <ikonia> as I told you in #ubuntu
[18:57] <ikonia> it is not a generic question
[18:57] <ikonia> it requires focus and a bit of background experience
[18:57] <ikonia> the best advice is what I already told you  in #ubuntu
[18:58] <ikonia> look at how you are using the system, remove what you don't know and restrict as best as possible access to the apps/services you are using
[18:58] <ikonia> sorry, remove what you don't "need" not "know"
[18:58] <cutbudi> Ikonia: please leavevme be, and stop following me....
[18:58] <ikonia> I'm not following you
[18:59] <ikonia> you're asking the same question  over and over - that is the answer I'm afraid
[18:59] <cutbudi> yes i am, but not you....
[19:00] <ikonia> ?
[19:00] <Tm_T> cutbudi: I can explain the same thing Ikonia just did if that helps
[19:02] <cutbudi> What ever you see me type dont answer..your begining to be a real pain....I do not wan anything from you...When I initially asked you that same question you were very less informative, and arrogant...now you want to spill your guts out
[19:03] <ikonia> it's exactly what I said in #ubuntu
[19:03] <ikonia> alomst word for word
[19:03] <ikonia> if you want help - calm down, listen to the info people are giving you
[19:04] <cutbudi> is there an ignore button in this chat room i can put ikonia on
[19:04] <ikonia> I'll solve that for you
[19:04] <cutbudi> ?
[19:06] <murthy_> cutbudi: What do you mean by harden?
[19:07] <ikonia> he can't talk, he's muted at the moment
[19:07] <Tm_T> murthy_: that means increasing security
[19:07] <murthy_> Tm_T: oh, right
[19:08] <murthy_> cutbudi: are you a developer?
[21:05] <Krixvar> TJ-: okay, so I have the partitions created by Windows (including an efi partition), a LUKS encrypted /boot, and a LUKS encrypted LVM
[21:05] <TJ-> Krixvar: I'll dupe that roughly :)
[21:05] <Krixvar> And a ntfs data partition but I don't think that matters right now haha
[21:06] <TJ-> I'll just create small empty partitions to simulate it
[21:06] <Krixvar> on a side note, the fact that I can make them all primary partitions is sweeet
[21:06] <Krixvar> okay
[21:06] <TJ-> 'primary' doesn't have any real meaning for GPT
[21:06] <Krixvar> Yeah, I suppose that's just what the KDE partitioner calls them
[21:06] <TJ-> The GPT usually has space for a minimum of 128 partition entries
[21:07] <TJ-> Yeah, because they're proper partitions not chained logicals in some sill 'extended' chain
[21:07] <TJ-> s/sill/silly/
[21:07] <TJ-> Right I'm at the partitioner ... Manual of course
[21:08] <Krixvar> Yup
[21:09] <Krixvar> So I select the partition I created inside the luks and make it /boot, then the ones inside lvm to appropriate root home etc
[21:09] <TJ-> I'm going to use gdisk to create the partitions; this partitioner is sooooo slow because parted re-reads everything each time a change is made
[21:09] <Krixvar> uh that's etcetera not /etc
[21:09] <Krixvar> sounds good
[21:10] <TJ-> Not so... the screen is garbled in the VM
[21:10] <Krixvar> uh oh
[21:10] <TJ-> All text looks like someone drew the vertical blinds across it
[21:11] <Krixvar> huh.. is there some sort of vm tools you can install? I'm only familiar with vmware really though
[21:11] <TJ-> Ahhhh... a real VT sorts it Ctrl+Alt+F1
[21:11] <Krixvar> hmm?
[21:12] <Krixvar> switching helped? From talking to you I'm being quickly reminded of how much I still have left to learn :P
[21:13] <TJ-> That never stops :)
[21:13] <Krixvar> haha that's true
[21:13] <TJ-> i'm installing openssh-server in the live environment so I can control it more easily
[21:14] <Krixvar> sounds good
[21:14] <Krixvar> oh huh so you're supposed to mount the efi partition into /boot apparently?
[21:15] <TJ-> The ESP should be at /boot/efi/
[21:15] <Krixvar> Okay, so I'd need to mount that before I start the installer?
[21:16] <TJ-> I'm not sure; you need to be careful that the installer doesn't try to format /boot/ and hit the ESP as well!
[21:17] <Krixvar> I'll make sure not to hit the format button
[21:17] <Krixvar> I figure since they're newly created partitions its not needed anyways
[21:17] <TJ-> It's not you... I don't trust the installer!
[21:17] <Krixvar> heh I agree
[21:17] <TJ-> The ESP is already a  FAT32 with boot files in for Windows
[21:18] <Krixvar> the partition manager says its efi
[21:18] <Krixvar> the kubuntu installer doesn't recognize it -.-
[21:20] <Krixvar> oh wait it says its fat32 now
[21:20] <Krixvar> odd
[21:20] <Krixvar> might have been gdisk that said that
[21:21] <TJ-> I'm having a slight argument because I'm not sure what the password is for the kubuntu user! Thought it was "kubuntu" but no
[21:21] <Krixvar> I believe its blank
[21:22] <Krixvar> in 15.04 at least, I doubt they would have anything set from earlier
[21:22] <Krixvar> I mounted efi into /boot/efi but I'm pretty sure the installer's going to tell me to unmount it so I can install to it
[21:22] <TJ-> Krixvar: Looking at /etc/shadow it doesn't look like it... on Ubuntu it's usually ubuntu/ubuntu with the user able to do sudo without a password
[21:23] <mr0everywhere> i am trying to set up a linksys ae6000 wifi dongle on a clean install of kubuntu 15.04 using this tutorial http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1897 and it pops an error on the make command saying gcc command not found
[21:24] <Krixvar> hmm yeah I'm seeing mixed answers about whether its blank or kubuntu
[21:24] <Krixvar> mr0everywhere: You can make sure gcc is installed with sudo apt-get install gcc
[21:24] <mr0everywhere> the computer it is on has no internet currently to be able to get it
[21:24] <mr0everywhere> how would i go about getting it from a windows computer?
[21:24] <genii> mr0everywhere: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[21:24] <Krixvar> Do you have access to another computer that does? You can manually download it
[21:25] <mr0everywhere> i have access on my windows computer but no linux
[21:25] <mr0everywhere> i have been doing everything via usb drive from one to another
[21:25] <genii> mr0everywhere: Use a livecd on the windows computer
[21:26] <Krixvar> mr0everywhere: genii's suggestion is probably easiest, if for some reason that's not possible you can download it here but you'd have to get all the requirements too http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/gcc
[21:26] <Krixvar> TJ-: any luck?
[21:26] <TJ-> Krixvar: This is the partition layout I've created http://imgur.com/XpecuqR
[21:27] <TJ-> Krixvar: ignore the EF02 ... there's not a good choice for luks/dm-crypt
[21:30] <Krixvar> TJ-: looks similar enough, main difference is that I have a separate /boot from the lbm
[21:30] <Krixvar> *lvm
[21:30] <Krixvar> and my efi partition is only 100mb because its tied between all the windows partitions and the partitioner kept crashing when I tried to move things to expand it
[21:33] <TJ-> Krixvar: me too. see http://paste.ubuntu.com/11817541/
[21:35] <Krixvar> ah cool, looks good then
[21:35] <mr0everywhere> i have a package and all of its dependencies on a usb drive, how do i go about installing them? they are all .deb files and there are some circular dependencies that i noticed
[21:35] <Krixvar> assuming the space in efi isn't an issue, I haven't read up too much on how much goes in it
[21:36] <TJ-> Krixvar: Commands issued so far http://paste.ubuntu.com/11817549/
[21:36] <TJ-> Krixvar: 128MB would be sufficient for ESP
[21:37] <Krixvar> TJ-: only have 104 because Windows is weird :/
[21:37] <TJ-> Krixvar: starting the installer now
[21:37] <Krixvar> Okay, I'm sitting at the manual partitioning
[21:38] <TJ-> There now
[21:39] <Krixvar> Cool, so I'll set lvm partitions to the right stuff, skipping swap since it fails consistently with this installer
[21:40] <TJ-> I've selected "/dev/mapper/VG-rootfs",  pressed Change, Use as "Ext4 ...", Format, Mount point "/"
[21:40] <Krixvar> Same here, should boot be ext4 or 2? The arch page was saying 2 for some reason
[21:40] <TJ-> Same for VH-home
[21:40] <TJ-> Ext4
[21:41] <Krixvar> Oky
[21:41] <Krixvar> *okay
[21:41] <Krixvar> What should I select for "device for boot loader installation?"
[21:41] <TJ-> Now selecting /dev/mapper/LUKS_boot ...ext4, format, /boot
[21:41] <Krixvar> I think I've been picking the wrong one which is what's caused it to fail
[21:43] <TJ-> Boot-loader, hmm, well for EFI here it'll be /dev/vda1 (the ESP partition) . I don't know why it offers /dev/vda since that'd only make sense for a BIOS install
[21:43] <Krixvar> Yeah, I've tried both options and it fails either way
[21:45] <TJ-> Trying to install now
[21:45] <Krixvar> Okay, I'll start mine selecting the efi partition
[21:47] <TJ-> 74% copying
[21:48] <Krixvar> Sort of unrelated, but there's no need to tell it to encrypt my home folder since its inside an encrypted partition and will be a single user device, right?
[21:48] <TJ-> yeah, no point in doubling it
[21:49] <Krixvar> Be back in a few minutes, mine just finished copying and I didn't have it do updates so it should be done soonish
[21:49] <Krixvar> thank you so much for the help
[21:50] <TJ-> In a terminal I'm running the command "tail -f /target/var/log/apt/history.log"
[21:50] <Krixvar> okay
[21:51] <Krixvar> Is there something specific to keep an eye out for?
[21:51] <TJ-> I just like to see *precisely* where its at
[21:51] <Krixvar> cool haha
[21:53] <mr0everywhere> is there a trick to download all dependencies without booting into linux
[21:53] <Krixvar> woot sitting on language packs -.-
[21:54] <TJ-> just passed that point
[21:54] <TJ-> 46%
[21:54] <Krixvar> I think the computer's connection dropped.. one sec
[21:54] <Krixvar> this one seems fine so I'm not sure what happened
[21:56] <TJ-> kernel being installed
[21:57] <Krixvar> there we go.. for once the wireless was more reliable than wired 0.o
[21:57] <Krixvar> installing kernel headers and whatnot now
[22:00] <Krixvar> From our discussion earlier, you said there's a point at which I need to get onto /target and do something right? Or is that not until after the bootloader installs
[22:00] <TJ-> I'm planning on waiting until the installer complains
[22:03] <Krixvar> Mine just broke
[22:03] <TJ-> OK, hit the failure
[22:03] <Krixvar> "The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot."
[22:03] <TJ-> I'm in a terminal now. /target/ is still mounted
[22:04] <Krixvar> yup
[22:04] <Krixvar> so as long as I don't hit okay and let the launcher closed I can do it manually right?
[22:07] <Krixvar> would it make any difference if I mounted the ESP to /target/boot/efi then ran grub-install?
[22:08] <TJ-> Hang on... I think I have it sorted
[22:08] <Krixvar> awesome, thanks
[22:08] <TJ-> OK, yes, just completing update-grub now
[22:09] <Krixvar> cool
[22:10] <TJ-> I'm assembling the command history for you
[22:11] <TJ-> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11817743/
[22:14] <Krixvar> Getting a syntax error near unexpected token 'do'
[22:14] <Krixvar> do I need to run this as a shell script?
[22:15] <TJ-> line by line would be better,. ahhh! you need to start with "sudo -i" to gain root!
[22:15] <TJ-> sorry, I forgot to grab that from the history
[22:16] <TJ-> I pulled the bash history files together into one and deleted the extraneous bits so those commands are verbatim
[22:16] <TJ-> I'm trying a restart now
[22:17] <Krixvar> Awesome, I'm running grub-install
[22:17] <TJ-> Don't you do this - it may not work!
[22:17] <Krixvar> so I've never used sudo -i, why doesn't running each command with sudo work but that does?
[22:17] <mr0everywhere> does anyone know how to share a network connection from windows 8 to kubuntu?
[22:17] <TJ-> sudo -i makes it easier when there's several commands
[22:18] <Krixvar> makes sense, I'm just confused why sudo [command] didn't work but it did when I did sudo -i first
[22:18] <Krixvar> alright, got grub installed, let me know about the reboot!
[22:19] <TJ-> We may need to force the cryptsetup modules into the initrd
[22:21] <Krixvar> okay
[22:21] <Krixvar> Shoot I may have to go in 15-20 minutes unfortunately
[22:23] <Krixvar> On the arch tutorial they're talking about configuring mkinitcpio, I've never heard of that for ubuntu
[22:23] <TJ-> No, that's the equiv of update-initramfs
[22:23] <TJ-> Creates the initial RAM disk (initrd)
[22:23] <Krixvar> ah
[22:24] <TJ-> OK, I've got stuck on boot. the GRUB EFI module doesn't appear to have the cryptodisk module built in
[22:24] <Krixvar> Is that something in the repositories?
[22:25] <Krixvar> I'm seeing that it should be GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=1 instead of GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y?
[22:25] <TJ-> This suggests the GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK wasn't acted on
[22:26] <TJ-> Rebooting into the Live env
[22:27] <TJ-> No, that is wrong. I've been using it for 2 years now, I'm the one that put the patch for it in GRUB
[22:28] <Krixvar> No way! Well I suppose you'd know best then :P
[22:29] <mr0everywhere> is there a way to share or bridge an internet connection from windows 8 to kubuntu?
[22:30] <TJ-> I'm just finishing off re-creating the chroot again
[22:30] <Krixvar> Okay
[22:30] <Krixvar> Did anything need to be done with crypttab?
[22:32] <Krixvar> Another possibility maybe.. the arch page has a few extra flags on grub-install:
[22:32] <Krixvar> # grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=grub --recheck
[22:33] <Krixvar> namely the efi directory seems potentially useful
[22:34] <TJ-> I'm actually running that command with --verbose now to check
[22:35] <Krixvar> cool
[22:36] <TJ-> OK: "grub-install --target=x86_64-efi /dev/vda1
[22:36] <TJ-> If you want to see what it does add "-v"
[22:36] <Krixvar> running now
[22:37] <Krixvar> Here for a bit more, but are you online often if we aren't able to finish this before I have to go?
[22:37] <mr0everywhere> is there a way to share an internet connection from a windows 8 computer to kubuntu via ethernet
[22:37] <TJ-> I'm around quite a bit at times
[22:37] <Krixvar> Cool
[22:37] <Krixvar> Okay, the command finished
[22:37] <Krixvar> mr0everywhere: Didn't see anything practical when I looked quickly. I'm not much of a networking guy, though
[22:38] <TJ-> I'm checking the log to ensure it inserted the cryptdisk module into grubx64.efi
[22:38] <Krixvar> okay
[22:39] <TJ-> looking good ")
[22:39] <Krixvar> sweet
[22:40] <TJ-> will do another reboot attempt in a moment
[22:40] <Krixvar> Thank you
[22:40] <TJ-> rebooting
[22:41] <Krixvar> Are there any resources you'd recommend to learn more about grub and possibly developing for it? Lower level software really intrigues me
[22:41] <TJ-> The source code :)
[22:42] <Krixvar> Good point ^_^
[22:44] <Krixvar> cloned a copy, I'll have to check it out soon :)
[22:45] <TJ-> It didn't boot fully again... think I'm missing something obvious
[22:45] <Krixvar> What is it breaking at?
[22:47] <TJ-> grubx64.efi starts but doesn't have the cryptodisk module built-in apparently - the cryptomount command isn't there anyhow, which is needed to open the encrypted /boot/
[22:47] <Krixvar> The only other step a lot of the pages are talking about is stuff involving crypttab
[22:47] <Krixvar> hmm okay
[22:48] <TJ-> That's for the OS, not GRUB
[22:48] <Krixvar> ah gotcha
[22:48] <TJ-> I've just run GRUB's 'lsmod' and cryptodisk isn't there but crypto is, yet in the build log I saw it included
[22:48] <Krixvar> weird
[22:48] <TJ-> So I may have started the wrong grub efi image :D
[22:49] <Krixvar> unfortunately I need to go for now, I'll check if you're online next time
[22:49] <Krixvar> thank you so much!
[22:49] <TJ-> Because I'm using a VM I have to manually boot grub from the EFI shell since the VM can't save EFI variables so there is no EFI boot menu entry retained
[22:52] <casa> ciaooo a tutti
[23:31] <mr0everywhere> i have a shared connection coming from a windows computer to my linux computer, but there is no network activity showing between the 2 devices. anybody know how to get the linux computer to play nicely with my windows 8 computer
[23:47] <Goobley> Hey, I was wondering how stable everyone's been finding 15.04. I moved over about a week ago (because it looks pretty) and have had a load of trouble since. Much worse screen tearing than I've ever had before (even with vsync), plasmashell crashing at least once every 2 hours, and just half an hour ago a bug which required me to delete .kde as I was logging in to a purely black screen (and failsafe wouldn't log in at all). Am I miss
[23:53] <mr0everywhere> anybody awake in here?


[01:50] <scientes> Spice is posting "ramdom:" ip addresses
[01:50] <scientes> please investigate
[01:51] <scientes> wait its just one
[01:51] <Jordan_U> scientes: Thanks, already looking into it.
[01:51] <Jordan_U> In fact, it's their own ip address.
[01:52] <scientes> maybe trying to get peoples ip addresses
[01:52] <scientes> but doesn't freenode already kinda give those out?
[01:52] <Jordan_U> For those not using cloaks (i.e. most users) yes.
[01:53] <scientes> live, i watched a 28c3 video recently
[01:53] <scientes> that was using irc to figure out attack hosts
[01:54] <scientes> cause i thought it was policy on freenode to not really give out vhosts willy nilly
[01:54] <scientes> *cloaks
[01:54] <h00k> Sure, you can get an unaffiliated cloak pretty easy
[01:54] <h00k> all you need to do is ask in #freenode
[01:57]  * scientes just realized he already had one
[02:12] <Jordan_U> !login
[02:12] <Jordan_U> @login
[02:12] <Jordan_U> @btlogin
[02:13] <Unit193> scientes: Something else you need?
[02:55] <h00k> taken care of
[02:56] <h00k> I think I missed something ubot-fr /queried me
[03:15] <lenovo> sakura sony sodc ittsme gold alog playfield island no fee middle america west lake big.BANGBANG
[03:18] <lenovo> construction amelia allie got paid from gold reserved sakura me song LogDraw itsme jp morgan!date time sign equal Andraw
[07:55] <Tm_Tr> hohum
[08:38] <Tm_Tr> \o/
[08:40]  * Myrtti shall miss the fish
[08:45] <elky> heh
[08:45] <elky> human Myrttis can still eat fish
[10:11] <bazhang> myhero was not making sense, was all over the map
[11:04] <bazhang> :/
[11:04] <bazhang> warning me about offtopic is offtopic
[12:10] <LjL> and so it was that April 1st officially ended
[12:10] <Pici> :P
[16:18] <Pici> keg-manager, hah
[16:18] <ikonia> I am the keg-manager, are you fule ?
[16:19] <ikonia> </broken ghostbuster quote>
[16:20] <mneptok> there is no Dana.
[20:57] <ikonia> do a whois on <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:57] <ikonia> I think there may have been a typo
[20:57] <ikonia> look at the description field
[20:57] <ikonia> descr:          TT ADSL-TTnet_dynamic_gay


[12:23] <kmon> good night
[12:29] <Lure> kmon: good night
[02:17] <jtshaw> good evening guys
[02:18] <jtshaw> (and gals)
[02:25] <raphink> hi jtshaw :)
[02:26] <jtshaw> heres a stupid question... is there a source repository kicking around for things like the installer?
[02:27] <raphink> well every binary package in dapper has its source in dapper too
[02:27] <raphink> ...
[02:27] <raphink> so if you get the deb-src for dapper you get the source of the latest version in dapper
[02:29] <jtshaw> makes sense
[02:29] <raphink> heh
[02:36] <Riddell> hi jtshaw
[02:36] <Riddell> jtshaw: which installer?
[02:37] <raphink> good question :)
[02:40] <jtshaw> well, what I'm trying to find is the code in the kubuntu installer that validates the usernames
[02:40] <jtshaw> because I believe it is slightly incorrect:)
[02:40] <jtshaw> but probably pretty easy to fix
[02:41] <raphink> you mean in debian-installer?
[02:42] <Riddell> apt-get source debian-installer
[02:42] <Riddell> although it's quite a complex beast
[02:46] <jtshaw> ya.. I'm sure this one piece can't be difficult to fix.. but it might take me the better part of my life to find it:)
[02:48] <jtshaw> I really need to find my POSIX book to make sure I'm not wrong before I do it though anyway
[04:07] <reconciliation> where to look for the khtml source?
[07:18] <seaLne> how do you remove things from the top of a bug in malone?
[07:19] <seaLne> #33173 for instance is listed as ubuntu aswell which it shouldn't be
[08:34] <Hobbsee> what's that?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> somethign to do with klik?
[08:35] <freeflying> mornfall: hi
[09:05] <Pygi> Lure: around?
[09:09] <Pygi> Tonio_: at least you around? ;)
[09:09] <Hobbsee> hi Pygi
[09:09] <Pygi> Hi hi Hobbsee
[09:10] <Pygi> what's up?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> looking at how to install descent 2
[09:12] <Pygi> ah ^_^
[09:17] <Pygi> Lure: wake up
[09:34] <Pygi> _ion: there?
[09:35] <Pygi> o joy, none of the people here
[09:36] <freeflying> Pygi: hi
[09:36] <Pygi> freeflying: hi hi
[09:37] <freeflying> Pygi:
[09:37] <Pygi> yes freeflying?
[09:37] <Pygi> Hi, Lure...
[09:38] <Lure> Pygi: hi - great day, isn't it ;-)
[09:38] <Lure> I did not notice that VPN is included - this is even better
[09:38] <Pygi> yes, great day, but I need to correct you on one things from the forum ;)
[09:38] <Lure> I have updated my post
[09:38] <Pygi> yes, that...please change to it ;)
[09:38] <Lure> done
[09:38] <Pygi> ah, you already did...that is great ;)
[09:39] <Pygi> now to get knetworkmanager in ;)
[09:39] <Lure> Riddell: since knetworkmanager was not yet in, what has to be done since we are in FF?
[09:40] <Lure> Riddell: do we need to go universe -> main route or can we get an exception on this?
[09:40] <Pygi> Lure: also, please change knetworkmanager to network-manager-kde on forum post
[09:41] <Lure> Riddell: is it just you that we need to persuade or we need to also make some wider marketing? ;-)
[09:41] <Lure> Pygi: OK, will clarify, however binary will still be knetworkmanager
[09:41] <Pygi> yes, I know ^_^
[09:42] <Lure> done
[09:42] <Pygi> great ^_^
[09:46] <Pygi> Lure: Network-manager 0.6.1 will land into official Dapper repository soon (today?).
[09:46] <Pygi> it is already there, it is in the building queue
[09:46] <Lure> Pygi: we will change that when apt-get upgrade will get it - currently even build queue cannot be seen in launchpad
[09:47] <Lure> Pygi: should we suggest to the users to do a clean install (purge test packages, configure again)?
[09:47] <Lure> it probably makes sense, in order to ensure that we have clean case
[09:47] <Pygi> Lure: I don't think there is a need for that ...
[09:48] <Lure> lot's of people anyway do it, therefore I am not too concerned anyway...
[09:48] <Pygi> conf files stayed the same, so no need ;)
[09:48] <Pygi> purgins is not really good
[09:48] <Lure> Pygi: only wpasupplicant changed...
[09:49] <Pygi> Lure: two patches were dropped from our version of n-m
[09:49] <Lure> VPN and which?
[09:49] <Pygi> 30-blacklist-devices.patch:
[09:49] <Pygi>      - Dropped; upstream implemented an nm_system_device_get_disabled()
[09:49] <Pygi>        function that we implement instead.
[09:51] <Lure> Pygi: n-m is waiting in build queue on dependancy (libnl-dev) :-(
[09:51] <Lure> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds?build_state=depwait
[09:51] <Lure> ok, but this one we picked from Debian (if I understand correctly)
[09:52] <Pygi> why is this missing? :-/
[09:52] <Pygi> we have one in our repo
[09:53] <Lure> not sure, maybe libnl1 source package (included couple of days back) does not provide it... :-(
[09:54] <Pygi> but they could have picked our ppc version at least...
[09:54] <Pygi> if not amd64 (which we don't have)
[09:57] <Pygi> Lure: according to that i386 edition is already in the repos?
[09:59] <Lure> Pygi: I think it is copies to archives only when all platforms pass build (at least i386, amd64, ppc)
[09:59] <Pygi> ah,yes, even i386 failed
[09:59] <Pygi> that is because libnl not yet in main
[10:15] <hunger> kaudiocreator is useless... it failed to grab 14 out of 22 CDs. cdparanoia has no trouble grabbing all of them whatsoever!
[10:16] <hunger> Plus kaudiocreator does not always start to actually grab the files... sometimes it just sits there with a list of jobs and twiddles its thumbs.
[10:19] <Lure> Pygi: libnl is approved, but not ready to be promoted (whatever that means)
[10:19] <Lure> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[10:20] <Pygi> Lure: I know...
[10:27] <Hobbsee> why oh why does pbuilder not depend on debootstrap?
[10:28] <Hobbsee> hmmm...it supposedly does.  i wonder why it didnt install properly then
[10:35] <Tm_T> hunger: yeah, I dropped kaudiocreator from my favourites list because of lacking paranoia
[10:35] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yay!
[10:52] <Pygi> Lure; arizbd=
[10:52] <Pygi> around*?
[10:56] <_ion> hobbsee: I should listen that some time. :-)
[10:56] <_ion> Hi .*
[10:56] <Pygi> _ion: hello _ion
[10:56] <Pygi> Congrats ^_^
[10:59] <_ion> Wow. :-)
[11:00] <Pygi> wow what? ;)
[11:01] <_ion> pe104602 < Pygi> Lure: Network-manager 0.6.1 will land into official Dapper repository soon (today?).
[11:02] <Pygi> _ion: bah, that's what I am congratulating you on ^_^
[11:03] <Pygi> _ion:https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-March/008171.html
[11:04] <_ion>      - Yes kids, this means we ship VPN support now.
[11:04] <_ion> Yay!!
[11:04] <_ion> Rules, rules, rules
[11:05] <Pygi> congrats _ion ;)
[11:06] <Pygi> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=856812&posted=1#post856812
[11:07] <Tm_T> agh
[11:08] <_ion> I wasn't the only one who worked on the package, so congrats to everyone who did. :-)
[11:08] <Tm_T> someone like to hold my hand awhile?
[11:08] <Tm_T> yay!
[11:08] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I try to do that Kopete package now
[11:09] <Tm_T> we'll see what I can get together
[11:11] <Pygi> _ion: bah ^_^
[11:12] <Pygi> yay, wpasupplicant in main, shipping
[11:13] <Pygi> not that it's good, but still :-/
[11:15] <Pygi> Tonio_, Lure: you need to drop the VPN blocking patch from Knetworkmanager
[11:15] <Lure> Pygi: we know - I am just waiting for NM-dev packages with VPN in order to be able to build
[11:16] <Lure> Pygi: this just means that we drop one big removal of code patch ;-)
[11:16] <Pygi> yes ;)
[11:16] <hunger> Lure: Will you rename the deb then, too?
[11:17] <hunger> Lure: Or will it stick with its name?
[11:17] <Lure> yes
[11:17] <hunger> Lure: Yes, we will rename it or yes, it will keep its name?
[11:17] <Tm_T> oh well...
[11:18] <Lure> package renamed, binary will stay ;-)
[11:19] <Lure> Hobbsee|Movie: good for you... ;-)
[11:20] <Hobbsee|Movie> :P
[11:20] <Hobbsee|Movie> on the laptop
[11:20] <Hobbsee|Movie> why watch on a big tv when my laptop is here?
[11:23] <Lure> Hobbsee|Movie: streaming over wireless? ;-)
[11:23] <Hobbsee|Movie> Lure: no, just a dvd in the dvd drive :P
[11:24] <Lure> Hobbsee|Movie: boring... ;-)
[11:24] <Hobbsee|Movie> hehe
[11:24] <Hobbsee|Movie> just remember about our wireless speeds...
[11:38] <Riddell> Pygi: hmm?
[11:40] <Tm_T> bear? you mean beer?
[11:40] <Pygi> s/bear/beer
[11:40] <Pygi> ;)
[11:40] <Tm_T> Riddell: enjoy your bears =)
[11:41] <Pygi> Riddel: we need to squeeze wpasupplicant on ubuntu CD, and put wpasupplicant and network-manager-kde on kubuntu CD
[11:41] <Pygi> you think you can do it? ;)
[11:42] <Riddell> Pygi: of course we can
[11:42] <Pygi> Riddell: thanks ^_^ and what do we have to get out because of that?
[11:43] <Pygi> btw. network-manager-kde first needs to hit the universe, then main, and then we can include it
[11:43] <freeflying> Riddell: shall we merge qt-3.3.6 from debian
[11:43] <Riddell> yes
[11:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: about Kopete 0.12, should I diff to current dapper package or what?
[11:44] <Riddell> freeflying: does it keep the immodule patch?
[11:44] <freeflying> Riddell: y
[11:44] <freeflying> Riddell: but the build-dep is not suitable to dapper
[11:45] <Pygi> Riddell: what will we need to drop from the cd in order to squeeze that in?
[11:46] <freeflying> Riddell: also they add the inputcontex crash patch
[11:49] <Riddell> Pygi: the CDs have ample space except powerpc live
[11:50] <Pygi> Riddell: hm, ok, can we drop something from ppc live in order to get this in? it's not so big packages, anyway
[12:14] <Riddell> Pygi: I did remove a bunch of language packs yesterday but it hasn't made any difference to the size, I think that CD is just determined to be oversized
[12:16] <freeflying> Riddell: why qt-3.3.6 build against xlibs-static-dev
[12:30] <Riddell> freeflying: they always do that with qt
[12:30] <freeflying> Riddell: merge or not ?
[12:31] <freeflying> - Font system
[12:31] <freeflying>         Improve startup time on systems with many installed fonts.
[12:31] <freeflying>         Improve Chinese, Japanese and Korean font handling.
[12:34] <Riddell> freeflying: we need to build some .debs and test them first, see if it causes any problems
[12:35] <freeflying> Riddell: right
[12:50] <raphink> Riddell: if someone began a spec on the wiki, can I overtake it?
[12:51] <Riddell> raphink: which spec?
[12:51] <Riddell> depends on the author and status
[12:51] <raphink> klik
[12:52] <raphink> the author is an almost anonymous guy
[12:52] <raphink> no history in Ubuntu
[12:52] <Riddell> yeah, you can 0wn that quite legitimately :)
[12:52] <raphink> how do I own it?
[12:52] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KlikIntegration
[12:53] <Riddell> edit the spec, bring it up to date and make it complete.  then before the ubuntu conference register it on launchpad
[12:53] <raphink> it's already registered on LP by this guy
[12:53] <raphink> so I guess once it's more complete on the wiki I can assign the drafting to myself
[12:53] <raphink> on LP
[12:54] <Riddell> well target it for edgy when that's possible
[12:54] <raphink> ok
[12:58] <raphink> Riddell: where do I put the pros and cons in a spec ?
[12:58] <raphink> in the scope section?
[01:00] <Riddell> in a rationale section
[01:00] <mornfall> eh klik
[01:01] <raphink> ok
[01:01] <mornfall> ever thought about security problem in a library that's distributed with klik and how it doesn't get fixed by ubuntu security updates?
[01:01] <raphink> that's what has to be discussed
[01:01] <mornfall> your system is updated now -- except the ton of libs in various klik packages
[01:02] <raphink> and I want to spec klik just because he can probably bring problems
[01:02] <raphink> better spec it then wait for a guy to provide a package that will bring lots of security issues
[01:23] <Riddell> tm	why?
[01:24] <Riddell> Tm_T:
[01:25] <Tm_T> dunno, somehow I feel it's more bad than good
[01:27] <Riddell> not much of a rationale :)
[01:27] <Riddell> we can't just remove sounds from KDE
[01:27] <Riddell> and suse's kdemm stuff isjust as bad
[01:28] <mornfall> what what?
[01:28] <mornfall> it's far too late for dapper either way :)
[01:28] <Riddell> and that too
[01:28] <mornfall> but i don't think ditching arts gives you anything
[01:28] <mornfall> i run arts because everything else sucks more
[01:28] <mornfall> like, amarok locking up with xine
[01:29] <mornfall> oh, what you need to do
[01:29] <mornfall> change autodetect to threaded oss as default driver
[01:29] <mornfall> and make sure to load oss emu
[01:29] <mornfall> solves most arts problems for me
[01:29] <mornfall> alsa userspace lib is probably not suitable for daemon usage
[01:30] <mornfall> it breaks far too often
[01:30] <mornfall> i'm not sure if everyone knows this so i better tell you :)
[01:32] <Riddell> how do we make sure to loade oss emu?
[01:42] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:46] <mornfall> raphink: you play wesnoth? :-)
[01:46] <raphink> sure
[01:46] <raphink> mornfall: why?
[01:46] <mornfall> raphink: but i so don't get how it's related to OOo :)
[01:46] <raphink> it's not
[01:46] <raphink> some people call it the "Ooo of RPG"
[01:46] <mornfall> is that an insult?
[01:46] <raphink> not at all
[01:46] <mornfall> sounds like one to me :)
[01:47] <raphink> Ooo is a great open-source app, available on most OSes
[01:47] <raphink> and so is wesnoth
[01:47] <mornfall> ooo is great?
[01:47] <raphink> well it's great for most users :p
[01:47] <Tm_T> =)
[01:47] <raphink> I don't like it
[01:47] <raphink> but well ;)
[01:47] <Tm_T> Wesnoth is too hard to me
[01:47] <raphink> Tm_T: practice ;)
[01:47] <mornfall> the only people i know use it do so because they think MS office is too pricey
[01:47] <raphink> Tm_T: I can mentor you
[01:47] <raphink> muahaha
[01:47] <Tm_T> =)
[01:48] <raphink> Tm_T: wanna play a game w/ me ?
[01:48] <raphink> :)
[01:48] <mornfall> i wouldn't ;-)
[01:48] <mornfall> playing against experienced player is way too frustrating for newbies :)
[01:48] <Tm_T> raphink: can't now
[01:48] <raphink> mornfall: wouln''t what?
[01:48] <raphink> I'm not experienced :p
[01:49] <raphink> mornfall: are  you?
[01:50] <Tm_T> raphink: how about ET with me? ;)
[01:50] <raphink> ET ?
[01:51] <Tm_T> Enemy Territory
[01:51] <raphink> this is open-source ??!
[01:51] <Tm_T> I doubt, but it's free
[01:52] <raphink> it's not in Ubuntu at least
[01:52] <Tm_T> free as, you don't have tp pay to play it
[01:52] <Tm_T> raphink: yeah, it's not inrepositories ;)
[01:52] <raphink> :p
[01:54] <Tm_T> http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/games/wolfensteinet/et-linux-2.60.x86.run.html
[01:54] <mornfall> raphink: i guess no
[01:55] <raphink> hehe
[01:55] <Tm_T> raphink: though, I bet there's better places to download that
[01:58] <mornfall> Riddell: uhm, kubuntu defaults to double-clicking?
[02:01] <mornfall> or anyone else for that matter :)
[02:03] <Tm_T> ?
[02:08] <Riddell> mornfall: no
[02:08] <Riddell> certainly shouldn't do
[02:10] <raphink> we talked about that already
[02:10] <raphink> at a meeting some time ago
[02:10] <raphink> and most people agreed on keepind default = single click
[02:11] <raphink> although I'm not sure to get how this goes along with the metabar
[02:11] <raphink> ;)
[02:11] <raphink> since you have to single-click on a file to get infos and actions on it in the metabar
[02:13] <raphink> hmm no
[02:13] <raphink> hehe
[02:14] <raphink> good too
[02:15] <mornfall> Riddell: will you have time for an upload today?
[02:15] <Riddell> mornfall: sure
[02:15] <mornfall> okey, i'll go home now and prepare it
[02:15] <raphink> mornfall: side note : you can ask me for uploads when you need one
[02:15] <raphink> too ;)
[02:16] <mornfall> raphink: okey :)
[02:16] <mornfall> laters
[02:16] <raphink> hmm
[02:16] <raphink> I don't have actions in the metabar
[02:16] <raphink> anyone can confirm that?
[02:17] <raphink> when i select a file, it lists no actions in the metabar
[02:20] <Riddell> raphink: confirmed
[02:21] <raphink> Riddell: now right click on the metabar and add the "copy" action for example
[02:21] <raphink> you"ll see that other actions will show
[02:21] <raphink> for example "convert to" for images
[02:22] <Riddell> I don't see that
[02:22] <Riddell> only Configure Metabar and Reload theme
[02:23] <raphink> yes
[02:23] <raphink> go to configure
[02:23] <raphink> then to the "actions" tab
[02:23] <raphink> and activate an action
[02:23] <raphink> and it will activate more than this single action
[02:26] <Riddell> yes, how broken
[03:26] <Riddell> fr	on dapper?
[03:27] <Riddell> freeflying: on dapper?
[03:27] <freeflying> Riddell: ya
[03:27] <Riddell> freeflying: got a URL?
[03:28] <freeflying> Riddell: URL?
[03:29] <freeflying> Riddell: seems debain guys includes all patches we have in dapper
[03:30] <freeflying> Riddell: debain's http://incoming.debian.org/qt-x11-free_3.3.6.orig.tar.gz
[03:32] <Riddell> freeflying: URL for your .debs, so I can test them
[03:32] <freeflying> Riddell: hem, buiding it
[03:33] <Riddell> ah, still building, ok :)
[03:33] <freeflying> Riddell: will you build it  :)
[03:33] <freeflying> maybe your amchine may build it more quickly
[03:33] <Riddell> I'm busy with kde 3.5.2, koffice 1.5 rcv1 and amarok 1.3.9
[03:34] <freeflying> s/amchine/machine
[03:34] <freeflying> ok,after finish , give you URL
[04:06] <freeflying> Riddell: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/immodule-qt/2006-March/000745.html --< new immodule patch for qt-3.3.5
[04:11] <Riddell> freeflying: it's not clear there, is he just merging dirk's changes or is he also adding his own fix?
[04:14] <freeflying> Riddell: seems just merge
[04:14] <Riddell> we already have dirk's patches
[04:18] <ubijtsa_> hmm.. is there a way, in the installer/preseed, to force/guide the use of a particular dhcp server ?
[04:18] <freeflying> Riddell: would u like give any advice on build kde4
[04:19] <Riddell> I've never built kde 4
[05:05] <freeflying> Riddell: any space for uploading qt-3.3.6?
[05:05] <Riddell> freeflying: revu
[05:06] <freeflying> Riddell: there only for source
[05:06] <Riddell> I think you can upload non-source to revu
[05:06] <Riddell> dput revu foo.i386.changes
[05:07] <seaLne> dosen't it get auto rejected?
[05:07] <Riddell> well, it's worth a shot :)
[05:07] <freeflying> raphink: ping
[05:19] <freeflying> Riddell: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/freeflying/
[05:46] <Lure_> _Sime_: bug 32915 is still there with 0.6.3
[05:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32915 in kde-guidance "Display applet does not start" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32915
[05:47] <Lure_> actually it is different stack trace, but same result ;-)
[06:05] <superstoned> Riddell: shall we merge qt-3.3.6 from debian [11:44]  <Riddell> yes
[06:06] <superstoned> this helps with performance in KDE, esp with latest fontconfig. cool!
[06:10] <superstoned> current version 2.3.2-1.1ubuntu5, but fontconfig devel is at version 2.3.94 - so 2.4 is still some time off. guess the reall performance improvements have to wait for dapper+1
[06:45] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: please see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdewebdev/+bug/36460
[06:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36460 in kdewebdev kimagemapeditor "Crash while starting kimagemapeditor" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[06:54] <kmon> I can't change the performance in klaptop, is this a known limitation, bug or do I have to change some settings somewhere?
[07:15] <danimo> hi Riddell
[07:15] <danimo> hi all
[07:15] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[07:37] <Riddell> danimo: hi
[07:37] <danimo> Riddell: I want to package klear
[07:38] <danimo> Riddell: it does have a debian directory, but I'd need some advice on how to go from there
[07:39] <Riddell> danimo: already done http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=924
[07:39] <Riddell> hi lamont
[07:39] <lamont> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/etc/kde3/ktalkdrc': No such file or directory
[07:39] <lamont> which didn't like a single ports architecture
[07:39] <lamont> hi Riddell :-)
[07:40] <Riddell> lamont: it's because it can't find /var/run/utmp, is there a reason that would have changed, or is different on the arches?
[07:40] <danimo> Riddell: and how do I build from there?
[07:40] <Riddell> danimo: grab the .orig, .dsc and .diff.gz
[07:40] <Riddell> dpkg-source -x *dsc
[07:41] <Riddell> cd klear-<tab>
[07:41] <Riddell> debuild
[07:41] <Riddell> may want to apt-get install devscripts to install debuild
[07:41] <lamont> Riddell: le huh?
[07:41] <danimo> Riddell: is there a all-in-one-package?
[07:42] <Riddell> danimo: not for source packages
[07:42] <Riddell> after debuild is run it'll make the .deb
[07:43] <Riddell> anyone on breezy want to test KDE 3.5.2?
[07:43] <_Sime_> danimo: is guidance and displayconfig 0.6.3 working for you now on dapper?
[07:43] <_Sime_> Lure: hi
[07:43] <danimo> _Sime_: I didn't dare to try it again :)
[07:43] <lamont> Riddell: interesting... the chroot on hppa lacks /var/run/utmp.  but it's present in the i386 chrot
[07:43] <danimo> _Sime_: I'm easily scared :)
[07:44] <_Sime_> danimo: it always backs up your xorg.conf. ;)
[07:44] <Riddell> lamont: I've never touched ktalk so it's always worked on debian and ubuntu buildds in the past
[07:45] <danimo> _Sime_: that I noticed
[07:45] <danimo> _Sime_: the gamma sliders still don't work
[07:45] <lamont> Riddell: apparently, it'll get removed from the i386/ppc/amd64 chroots sometime soonish... pkg will then be b0rked everywhere...
[07:46] <Lure> _Sime_: I am back - Konversation hung... :-(
[07:46] <Lure> _Sime_: seen my report with 0.6.3
[07:46] <_Sime_> Lure: yeah,
[07:46] <_Sime_> Lure: i'm going to have a look at it now.
[07:47] <Lure> Riddell: I can install 3.5.2 on breezy (have 3.5.1 currently), but will not get much testing until monday
[07:47] <Lure> Riddell: weekends are for Dapper, work is on Breezy (until Flight6 ;-))
[07:49] <_Sime_> Lure: can you run ScanPCI.py for me and email (or pastebin) the output for me.
[07:49] <Riddell> Lure: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ breezy main
[07:50] <Riddell> lamont: what's the reason for that and will it happen to debian too?
[07:52] <Lure> _Sime_: fails - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/620397
[07:52] <Lure> anybody else having problems with Konversation hangs (on 3.5.2)?
[07:52] <_Sime_> Lure: oh yes, of course.
[07:53] <Lure> _Sime_: I am doing something wrong, I suppose... ;-)
[07:54] <lamont> Riddell: don't mind me - I may or may not be correct in my statement about that...
[07:54] <lamont> although I'm completely at a loss to understand why no utmp results in not installing an rc file for ktalkd....
[07:55] <Riddell> lamont: ktalkd doesn't compile unless it finds /var/run/utmp
[07:55] <lamont> Riddell: it goes away because of the change to clean /var/run on boot
[07:55] <_Sime_> Lure: fix up this line "bus = PCIBus("ldetect-lst/")" in ScanPCI.py and make it point to where the directory containing the Cards+ file.
[07:55] <lamont> (or rather, to recreate the tmpfs that was /var/run the last time...)
[07:55] <Riddell> lamont: is that an ubuntu change or a debian change?
[07:55] <lamont> Riddell: and why, doesn't it compile?
[07:56] <lamont> dapper
[07:56] <lamont> although it wouldn't surprise me to find that change getting into debian as well
[07:56] <Riddell> right
[07:56] <lamont>  /var/run is (by policy) completely transient
[07:56] <lamont> across boots
[07:57] <Riddell> well ktalkd needs utmp to work so the programmers obviously thought it a silly idea to install it without a utmp on the system
[07:57] <lamont> and the existance of system files on the compiling machine shouldn't be affecting the binaries delivered to some enduser machine...
[07:57] <Riddell> but should be an easy enough fix to just ignore the utmp test in autoconf
[07:57] <lamont> but there's utmp on the enduser system
[07:57] <lamont> Riddell: please do make that change
[07:58] <Lure> _Sime_: better - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/620411
[07:58] <Riddell> will do, thanks for answering my questions
[08:01] <_Sime_> Lure: is that a pci card? are you using the drivers from ATI right now?
[08:03] <Lure> _Sime_: it is ATI FireGL V5000 PCI-Express card
[08:04] <Lure> _Sime_: I run "fglrx" currently - can switch to "ati" if you want...
[08:04] <_Sime_> Lure: driver?
[08:04] <_Sime_> Lure: no, that's ok.
[08:07] <cmvo> Lure: Hi! ati/radeon hangs here if I do not disable dri.
[08:28] <Lure> yes
[08:28] <Lure> I am there
[08:29] <_Sime_> Lure: now comment out that "try: entry.module...." block of stuff that is a few lines down.
[08:29] <Lure> yep, it works now
[08:30] <_Sime_> Cool.
[08:30] <_Sime_> it can't correctly detect your card, but at least it won't bug out.
[08:30] <Lure> _Sime_: thanks
[08:30] <_Sime_> it will just assume vesa.
[08:30] <_Sime_> Lure: no, thank you!
[08:30] <_Sime_> ok
[10:06] <Tm_T> argh
[10:06] <Tm_T> forgot to look packaging issues... oh well, it's day tomorrow
[11:01] <mornfall> hi, anyone around experiencing the kdesu/adept problem?
[11:10] <Pygi> Lure: around?
[11:12] <Lure> Pygi: yes
[11:13] <Pygi> look at the case ;)
[11:13] <Pygi> people asked for n-m 0.6.1
[11:13] <Pygi> now when they got it...
[11:13] <Pygi> now they want n-m CVS
[11:13] <Pygi> joy :-P
[11:14] <Lure> seen that - it is always like that... ;-)
[11:15] <mornfall> raphink: ping?
[11:15] <raphink> mornfall: yep?
[11:15] <mornfall> raphink: how much spare time you have? :)
[11:15] <raphink> depends
[11:15] <Pygi> Lure: yes, I know :-P
[11:15] <raphink> I'm working on an XML specif
[11:15] <raphink> but if it's important I can get rid of it for a time ;)
[11:16] <mornfall> raphink: well, it would be useful if someone (who can use debuild) could sanity-check adept before upload :)
[11:17] <raphink> hmm so you want me to check adept, test-build it and upload it?
[11:18] <mornfall> raphink: well, i am currently doing some testing myself, but i have been known to let stupid bugs into releases before
[11:18] <raphink> hehe
[11:18] <raphink> could you put the package on REVU so I can check it?
[11:19] <mornfall> what's revu :-)
[11:20] <mornfall> raphink: i usually just point at a .tar.gz source package ;-)
[11:20] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de
[11:20] <raphink> this is what we use to review packages
[11:20] <raphink> just give me your PGP key # and you can use dput to upload your package to revu
[11:20] <raphink> then I can check it there :)
[11:21] <mornfall> that's lame ;-)
[11:21] <mornfall> i'll think about it :-)
[11:21] <raphink> ok
[11:22] <raphink> mornfall: it's very useful as it allows several people to check the package and leave comments
[11:22] <mornfall> raphink: my prepare-upload do-upload timeframe is usually hardly enough for someone to make a comment :]
[11:23] <raphink> lol
[11:23] <raphink> yet yo'ure asking me to review ;)
[11:23] <raphink> so that means you're asking for comments
[11:23] <raphink> no?
[11:24] <mornfall> raphink: maybe :)
[11:24] <raphink> hehe
[11:24] <mornfall> hmm it started 5 times or so in a row
[11:26] <raphink> hehe
[11:47] <mornfall> laame -- i can't reproduce the kdesu hang at all
[11:56] <mornfall> hmm, how can i find out which adept version was in flight 4?
[11:56] <mornfall> bug reporters only rarely give package version, just the flight number
[11:58] <raphink> hmm ... dl the cd, extract it and look at the package version number ...
[11:58] <mornfall> very funny
[11:58] <raphink> or check the history on LP
[11:58] <mornfall> history of what
[11:58] <raphink> of the package versions
[11:58] <raphink> it has the dates of uploads iirc
[11:58] <raphink> and then you can compare with the date of release for DF4
[11:59] <mornfall> okey, that gives approximately "not latest"
[12:00] <raphink> well
[12:00] <mornfall> anyone know if klichota comes to irc? :)
[12:00] <raphink> I can't think of a better way yet


[00:10] <mpt> sjokkis, not as far as I know.
[00:12] <sjokkis> mpt: who could i talk to about that?
[00:12] <mpt> sjokkis, me, but not now, it's past midnight and I haven't had any birthday cake yet
[00:12]  * mpt -> exit
[00:12] <sjokkis> ok. talk to you later
[00:12] <sjokkis> happy birthday
[17:05] <djsiegel> hey doctormo
[17:05] <djsiegel> mpt: http://openetherpad.org/uxadvocates
[17:37] <mpt> djsiegel, neat
[17:37] <mpt> djsiegel, now turn off your computer and get well
[17:41]  * thorwil hopes some wiki software will learn from etherpad
[17:42] <seb128> djsiegel, mpt: what is uxadvocates about exactly?
[17:46] <mpt> seb128, "The User Experience Advocate is responsible for representing the interests of users within an open source project ...  Review usability and user research documents. Communicate user experience research to the project team. Review use cases ... Write and follow usability bug reports throughout the lifecycle of the project..." -- http://davidsiegel.org/announcing-ux-advocates/
[17:46] <seb128> mpt, ok, thanks
[17:46] <seb128> seems an interesting idea in any case ;-)
[19:30] <jcastro> anyone running the unity ppa want to help us test something real quick?
[19:34] <crimsun_> jcastro: what do you need?
[19:34] <jcastro> crimsun_: update/upgrade from the PPA (ken just uploaded new bits)
[19:35] <jcastro> and then fire up gedit, or another gtk app, and let me know if you see the global menu
[19:35] <jcastro> (you shouldn't have to set variables or any of that)
[19:35] <jcastro> and if you have a KDE app handy, fire that up, and switch between the apps, the menu should dynamically change
[19:36] <crimsun_> doesn't seem to show here.
[19:36] <jcastro> oh, after you are up to date you need to log  out and back in
[19:36] <crimsun_> did that.
[19:36] <jcastro> how about the KDE app?
[19:39] <crimsun_> same as in default lucid.
[19:39] <jcastro> :-/
[19:42] <jcastro> crimsun_: can you see if indicator-applet-appmenu is installed?
[19:44] <matumba> any eta on when this will be available for maverick (the PPA is for lucid, right?)
[19:44] <jcastro> matumba: it's building now
[19:45] <jcastro> matumba: probably the next hour or so?
[19:45] <jcastro> matumba: if you're on maverick I'd like to get some feedback on that too!
[19:45] <matumba> jcastro, will check it later then :-)
[19:46] <zniavre> looking for volunters to broke the system ?
[19:46] <jcastro> zniavre: yep, are you using the lucid unity ppa?
[19:46] <zniavre> not yet but if you point me to this repos i can
[19:47] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationMenu
[19:48] <zniavre> i already hav globalmenu do i hav to unistall it before?
[19:48] <zniavre> uninstall*
[19:48] <crimsun_> jcastro: I have it installed now (it doesn't seem to be an rdep of anything), logged out and back in, and same symptoms as prior.
[19:48] <jcastro> yeah probably
[19:49] <jcastro> kenvandine: does unity in the ppa depend on the appmenu stuff?
[19:49] <jcastro> it's supposed to
[19:49] <apachelogger> hellos, who would I be talking with about the proposed soundmenu?
[19:50] <kenvandine> jcastro, not yet
[19:50] <kenvandine> jcastro, talk to didrocks
[19:51] <kenvandine> apachelogger, ronoc
[19:51] <kenvandine> but i suspect he is gone for the day
[19:51] <apachelogger> I will try tomorrow then, thanks :)
[19:51] <kenvandine> np
[19:53] <jcastro> crimsun_: is appmenu-gtk installed?
[19:53] <crimsun_> jcastro: no, should it be?
[19:53] <jcastro> bratsche: should the dot have been fixed when you fixed checkboxes/radios? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/589793
[19:53] <jcastro> crimsun_: I think so.
[19:54] <jcastro> crimsun_: I'll file bugs on this.
[19:55] <bratsche> jcastro: I have no idea what this bug is about. :(
[19:56] <crimsun_> jcastro: great, installing both those packages (and their deps) Made It Work.
[19:56] <jcastro> bratsche: if you launch gnome-system-monitor, in View
[19:56] <jcastro> bratsche: there's a "dot" next to the menu entires
[19:56] <jcastro> bratsche: a "bullet" would be a more correct term I think
[19:58] <bratsche> jcastro: Yeah, I think this is related to radio/check stuff.  It looks like a radio menuitem.
[19:59] <jcastro> radios work now though (I closed that bug for you btw)
[19:59] <bratsche> Hmm, will have to look at this more in a little bit.
[19:59] <jcastro> crimsun_: awesome, thanks!
[19:59] <jcastro> no worries
[20:00] <crimsun_> huh, where is the Debian packaging for unity?
[20:00] <jcastro> it would be under netbook edition or something right?
[20:00] <jcastro> kenvandine: ^^
[20:01] <crimsun_> sorry, I'm being an imprecise dolt. What I meant was "Where is the bzr debian/ for unity?"
[20:01] <kenvandine> crimsun_, one sec
[20:02] <crimsun_> I resorted to "pull-lp-source unity maverick" in the meanwhile.
[20:03] <kenvandine> crimsun_, sorry... i am not doing well here... not sure where the bzr branch is for unity packaging
[20:03] <kenvandine> i would think it should be under ~ubuntu-desktop
[20:03] <kenvandine> another question for didrocks :)
[20:05] <crimsun_> doesn't appear under ~ubuntu-desktop's owned bzr
[20:05] <crimsun_> doesn't appear in maverick's unity debian/control, either
[20:06] <crimsun_> jcastro: do you have LP bug references for the missing dependencies that I can put into the changelog?
[20:06] <didrocks> hey jcastro
[20:06] <jcastro> crimsun_: I fired him an email instead, but thought he would be asleep
[20:07] <jcastro> didrocks: I think crimsun was in the middle of fixing it
[20:07] <jcastro> didrocks: but we can't find your packaging for unity
[20:07] <didrocks> jcastro: well, I can fix it in a second :)
[20:07] <jcastro> ok
[20:07] <didrocks> just tell me which package I should depend on
[20:08] <jcastro> indicator-applet-appmenu
[20:08] <jcastro> and
[20:08] <crimsun_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/448367/
[20:08] <crimsun_> that's the debdiff
[20:08] <jcastro> appmenu-gtk
[20:09] <didrocks> crimsun_: I will only depend on appmenu-gtk. Don't want an applet there :)
[20:09] <crimsun_> ok, sounds good
[20:09] <didrocks> crimsun_: and FYI, the dep is in ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings, not unity
[20:09] <didrocks> (and it's a recommends :))
[20:10] <crimsun_> didrocks: strange, but ok. I checked ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings, and it depends on unity, so I looked at the latter. :)
[20:11] <didrocks> crimsun_: it depends on unity and recommends indicator-datetime and libunity-misc0
[20:11] <didrocks> crimsun_: basically, we don't have metapackage in the ppa
[20:11] <crimsun_> i.e., it makes sense to stash them in -default-settings instead of unity, but it wasn't immediately clear to me
[20:11] <didrocks> so, in maverick, all the dep or in ubuntu-netbook metapackage
[20:12] <didrocks> I use the -default-settings as a dummy metapackage as it contains the unity session file :)
[20:12] <didrocks> (that was just FYI)
[20:12] <crimsun_> excellent, thanks for the information!
[20:12] <didrocks> you're welcome
[20:13] <didrocks> jcastro: beware! crack pushed :)
[20:14] <jcastro> jawesome
[20:14] <jcastro> didrocks: do you mean pushed to the PPA or just in bzr?
[20:14] <didrocks> jcastro: the ppa
[20:14] <jcastro> hero!
[20:14] <didrocks> :)
[20:14] <jcastro> didrocks: ok now you can stop working and go relax, yeesh!
[20:14] <jcastro> (seriously thanks!)
[20:15]  * didrocks hugs jcastro, you're welcome dude
[20:21] <matumba> i prematurely reported a bug, close at will: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/592772
[20:32] <vish> matumba: "prematurely" ?
[20:33] <kklimonda> matumba: you can close your own bugs - just click on its status and choose Invalid
[20:35] <matumba_> i meant that i'm not sure you even care about how unity behaves inside a GNOME session
[20:36] <vish> matumba_: ah , it is supposed to run the UNE session.  anyway , you can click on the drop down and close your own bugs
[20:38] <matumba_> vish, i know, i just left it open in case you'd still be interested in the crash - closing it then :-)
[21:05] <jbicha> starting Pidgin seems to crash the whole Unity/AppMenu thing, has this been reported already?