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[06:12] <dowson_> Hi, while trying to setup launchpad, I get the following error:
[06:13] <dowson_> $ bzr --no-plugins cat http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/utilities/rocketfuel-setup > rocketfuel-setup
[06:13] <dowson_> bzr: ERROR: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/.bzr/repository/packs/abccead16fd611e1473706f5f6170373.pack is redirected to http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80/videoplayer/abccead16fd611e1473706f5f6170373.pack?ich_u_r_i=e569ed64709aa12b4388ab15efbec59f&ich_s_t_a_r_t=0&ich_e_n_d=0&ich_k_e_y=1345088922750663092468&ich_t_y_p_e=1&ich_d_i_s_k_i_d=7&ich_u_n_i_t=1
[06:13] <dowson_> Yesterday, I was able to download the rocketfuel-setup script once, but then after a couple of failed attempts at running the installation, I noticed that I wasn't able to download it any more
[06:14] <dowson_> I've checked my /etc/hosts, and ensured that it doesn't redirect requests locally, and I'm using a clean VMware Ubuntu 12.04 installation.
[07:18] <infinity> dowson: Sounds like a captive portal or other icky ISP madness.
[08:27] <snkt> hello
[09:18] <snkt> can anyone help me... ethtool doesnot work...
[09:18] <snkt> I am getting " No data available"
[09:18] <snkt> can anyone help me....
[09:19] <snkt> I am using ubuntu11.10 core image for ARM
[11:38] <rbasak> snkt: sounds like ethtool may not be supported by your kernel/NIC driver. Try mii-tool. If that also doesn't work, you probably need to figure out what you need to do with your kernel (which isn't part of Ubuntu Core itself, I don't think)
[11:39] <snkt> rbasak, Can you please help me... which are the supports required in kernel.... I have already configured kernel .... but still unsuccessful
[11:41] <rbasak> Sorry, I don't think there's any general answer to your question.
[13:06] <suihkulokki> can someone update device-tree-compiler to latest in saucy and provide stable update to raring as well?
[13:34] <rbasak> suihkulokki: I just asked on ubuntu-devel. You should follow bug 1194183. I'm not sure about an SRU to raring, since I'm not sure that it'll meet SRU policy. But it could definitely be backported if someone does the work. First step though: sync to Saucy.
[13:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1194183 in device-tree-compiler (Ubuntu) "v1.4.0 released upstream" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1194183
[13:35] <rbasak> suihkulokki: and if someone could check that the update won't break qemu, that would help :)
[16:30] <rbasak> suihkulokki: looks like xnox has synced it, so 1.4 is in saucy now.
[16:43] <suihkulokki> rbasak: ok, thanks


[15:45] <Idhan>  java applications such as netbeans, use a very funny font.. is there any way to improve them? can I at least set antialiasing ?
[15:47] <Idhan> I don't mean the editor of java by the way...
[15:48] <Idhan> I mean java applications in general..


[13:06] <daker> hi antdillon
[13:38] <antdillon> daker, Hey there
[13:47] <daker> antdillon: thanks for the svg files but we are still missing a few things
[13:47] <daker> i am trying to fix bug 1243396
[13:47] <daker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-html5-theme/+bug/1243396
[13:47] <daker> i am using a png file taken from the desing team blog here is the actual result http://i.imgur.com/nl4beub.png
[13:48] <daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntu-html5-theme/fix.1243396/+merge/207710
[13:48] <daker> here the squircle i am using http://design.canonical.com/wp-content/themes/design-blog-theme/assets/img/team-squircle.png
[13:48] <daker> is*
[13:48] <daker> i need this in svg and the medium radius format too
[14:10] <daker> also we would like to replace all the png files to svg
[14:24] <antdillon> daker, I was waiting for the sass stuff to land to replace the usage of pngs in the css and replace with the svg's I added
[14:25] <antdillon> daker, I'll send you a SVG  of the squircle although jouni said it might be better to just use css border-radius for now because the svg will not work for a rectangle image
[14:32] <antdillon> daker, We can't put the inner shadow in a SVG because it will be rasterised
[14:33] <daker> ah i see
[14:34] <antdillon> daker, I can get you an SVG of the shape and you could try apply an inset shadow to the image container which is masked by the SVG
[14:35] <daker> so can you send a high res of the squircle(this http://design.canonical.com/wp-content/themes/design-blog-theme/assets/img/team-squircle.png) ? the normal/medium radius
[14:36] <daker> the one with the grey in the corners not the white
[14:36] <daker> i mean just a png files for now
[14:37] <antdillon> daker, Which size you looking for? Double?
[14:37] <daker> or if you can send a psd or something that would be better
[14:38] <daker> ya double & triple so i can test
[14:38] <antdillon> daker, Sure, designer is on it
[14:39] <daker> perfect, thank you guys :)
[14:39] <antdillon> daker, You sure were still going for the bbezier curves? Jouni suggested moving to a CSS only solution for now
[14:40] <daker> i am still unable to reproduce the same shape in CSS
[14:41] <daker> and the inner shadow is another story
[14:42] <antdillon> daker, Send you an email with the squircle
[14:42] <daker> sure
[14:43] <antdillon> daker, Jouni asked could we replace it with simple border radius until there is a better solution. We can talk about it at the next catch up I guess
[14:44] <daker> ok perfect


[01:01] <Xman> help plz
[04:38] <xivulon> evand, this morning I fixed a couple of bugs in my code, you may want to pull again, it should mount an ISO on disk and copy the preseed file (did not check fix_preseed yet)
[04:41] <xivulon> as a side plus, the livecd initrd, works nicely as hd-media, which makes the testing process quicker
[04:55] <xivulon> evand, I was reading your email, partman ignoring partitions that are already mounted will be an issue for the stand-alone installer, since that will have to mount the partition which hosts the ISO file
[04:55] <xivulon> which will usually be the same partition where to create the image files
[04:59] <cjwatson_> special-casing that (if it's necessary at all) should be a simple matter of programming, I wouldn't get hung up on it
[04:59] <evand> hrm
[05:00] <cjwatson> I don't think partman has such code anyway
[05:00] <cjwatson> ubiquity installs a partman hook to unmount anything that's mounted and needs to be reformatted
[05:00] <cjwatson> you may be thinking of the old os-prober bug that ignored mounted partitions, but that's fixed now
[05:00] <evand> probably
[05:03] <xivulon> cjwatson, when we create a loop image there is no need to format the hosting partition, only to make sure that is r/w
[05:04] <xivulon> did not check the code, but it would help if that was not unmounted or skept if already mounted
[05:11] <cjwatson> I don't think we attempt to format it at the moment
[05:11] <cjwatson> it may still try to mount it
[05:11] <cjwatson> on phone
[05:12] <xivulon> what I mean, is if it is a problem when the hosting partition is already mounted
[05:13] <xivulon> by the way as mentioned earlier, I fixed some of my code, so you may want to pull it.
[05:25] <saispo> cjwatson: i fixed my build error but now when the .raw is created when i try to boot on it isolinux start and i have boot:, i lost my splash in isolinux and my menu entry
[05:25] <saispo> anyidea ?
[05:30] <xivulon> cjwatson, I misread your comments above, if partitions are unmounted only when they need to be formatted, then it's fine!
[05:31] <xivulon> cjwatson, by the way did you start working on the sysctl init.d script, if not I'll try to have a look tonight?
[08:14] <cjwatson> blackskad: any progress on bug 38442? You said you were going to look at it
[08:15] <blackskad> cjwatson: I'm working on it
[08:15] <blackskad> I'm still looking for a way to adapt the size to the screen resolution
[08:17] <cjwatson> is there anything I can do to help (that doesn't involve putting in equivalent time to fix it myself :-))?
[08:18] <blackskad> well, I'm having an exam tomorrow, but will have plenty of time afterwards
[08:18] <blackskad> so I'll take a look at what still needs to be done tomorrow
[08:20] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[08:22] <blackskad> would it be possible to get it in gutsy if I'm a little fast?
[08:22] <blackskad> I know ufv is in place
[08:23] <blackskad> but it's a bug, isn't it :)
[08:57] <cjwatson> should be


[03:51] <Unit193> I'm not really fond of how d/rules does it, but everything else looks fine enough.
[08:07] <bluesabre> Unit193: is there a better way to go about it?
[08:16] <bluesabre> (keeping translations intact)
[08:55] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Release xubuntu-default-settings 22.10.1 @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/2a6a03da5b3311ed3167bbb67799227583bcdd0b (by bluesabre)
[09:01] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: debian/xubuntu-wallpapers.links: Link to development wallpaper @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-artwork/commit/99d844454dcea82c6d740f261b449cd04d1e9f2d (by bluesabre)
[09:01] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: xubuntu-text.plymouth: Bump plymouth-text version number for kinetic @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-artwork/commit/486770e1793ea03361b0d1714b9f7d9fa689489b (by bluesabre)
[09:01] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: Release xubuntu-artwork 22.10 @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-artwork/commit/f3e12b8efa98ac82cd33c07816903ad09d1392f2 (by bluesabre)
[10:30] <bluesabre> Some light asset work in case somebody wants to recolor some dots... in particular, I have no idea how to edit the palette on the 16bit assets. https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-artwork/pull/11
[17:19] <Unit193> Very good question. :3


[00:00] <BUGabundo> /var/snapshots$ sudo btrfs subvolume snapshot / ./20110312
[00:00] <BUGabundo> gotta love #BTRFS
[00:00] <UndiFineD> hey Omega
[00:06] <weird0{}> is that a flash drive filesystem ?
[00:10] <weird0{}> i notice there are no propietary ati drivers through hardware manager.  is there another way ?
[00:11] <BUGabundo> /var/snapshots$ sudo rsync -avhP ./20110312/ /media/2TB/20110312/laptop/
[00:11] <BUGabundo> this is gonna take a while
[00:11] <BUGabundo> I wonder if I can mount an external drive and create a snapshot directly on it
[00:11] <BUGabundo> considering both drives are BTRFS
[00:26] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, wondered what's your take on this whole canonical vs. gnome crapstorm that's happened in the past few days?
[00:26] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: no opinion formed yet.... been busy with Life
[00:27] <BUGabundo> and much more worried with joaopinto POV expressed on getdeb ML
[00:27] <bjsnider> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/654
[00:27] <bjsnider> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/03/collaborations-demise.html
[00:28] <bjsnider> both sides have been publicly throwing bombs at each other since thursday
[00:28] <Daekdroom> POV?
[00:28] <bjsnider> point of view
[00:34] <BUGabundo> back
[00:34] <BUGabundo> yeah I've read both posts bjsnider
[00:35] <BUGabundo> and knowing personally aseigo and what he thinks of gnome.....
[00:35] <bjsnider> the comments on both posts are actually more important than the posts themselves
[00:36] <bjsnider> what about what the gnome guys think of aseigo, and kde?
[00:46] <BUGabundo> [  938.034694]     fat_bmap_cluster: request beyond EOF (i_pos 644841)
[00:46] <BUGabundo> this can't be good :\
[00:49] <dasen1> Hi guys, does anyone have  problem with running deluge in the latest natty code?
[00:59] <ikt> heya, does anyone know how to resize dash?
[01:01] <Daekdroom> ikt, you can make it fullscreen or use the size it comes as, as far as I know
[01:03] <ikt> Daekdroom, so if it's full screen, how do I un-full screen it :s
[01:03] <Daekdroom> ikt, I don't know how. It doesn't seem possible.
[01:08] <ikt> hrmm
[01:10] <danyR> ikt: you can use dconf-editor, found in the package dconf-tools
[01:14] <dasen1> does anyone here use deluge?
[01:14] <ikt> dasen1, yep
[01:14] <ikt> danyR, thanks :)
[01:14] <dasen1> ikt: do you have any  problem running it under natty?
[01:15] <ikt> dasen1, what type of problems?
[01:15] <danyR> ikt: you need to change the form-factor under desktop/unity/ :)
[01:16] <dasen1> ikt I get a segmentation fault, the version is 1.3.1-1ubuntu1
[01:17] <danyR> dasen1: just for curiosity, try running it like this: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 deluge
[01:17] <dasen1> it worked!!!
[01:18] <dasen1> what was the problem, and what does that command do?
[01:18] <danyR> dasen1: it's a known bug, currently in progress. affects other apps, like software-center
[01:18] <danyR> dasen1: I don't have the bug report here, but it's not on your side, it'll be fixed by an update. it's pretty dark and deep linux stuff :)
[01:19] <dasen1> ok
[01:19] <dasen1> thanks a lot!
[01:19] <danyR> dasen1: got the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/259219
[01:22] <dasen1> do you think this bug will be resolved by the time natty gets out?
[01:23] <danyR> dasen1: Absolutely :)
[01:23] <danyR> this is clearly a release-blocker bug: it would be impossible for natty to be shipped with this bug
[01:24] <dasen1> ok, cool
[01:24] <dasen1> :)
[01:24] <dasen1> thanks again guys
[01:41] <BUGabundo> man
[01:41] <BUGabundo> btrfs IS NOT stable....
[01:41] <BUGabundo> at least not on this kind of workload
[01:41] <BUGabundo> 2nd kernel panic of the night
[01:42] <penguin42> give it 3 or 4 years
[01:42]  * penguin42 pats his ext[34]
[01:43] <BUGabundo> penguin42: please do btrfs subvolume snapshot <source> [<dest>/]<name> on ExtFS :P
[01:46] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I think I can just about do it with an lvm snapshot?
[01:46] <BUGabundo> not as fast
[01:46] <BUGabundo> this is very low level
[01:58] <arand> partman failed to load the partitioning step when running the alternate CD, has anyone been able to install on a system with an already present LVM configuration, or is LVM the crux here?
[01:59] <arand> Also, still no LVM support in ubiquity?
[02:03] <penguin42> arand: Are the lvm tools there - i.e. if you vgdisplay or the like does it show?
[02:05] <arand> penguin42: Yea, well the syslog shows that partman detects the lvm setup seemingly ok
[02:06] <arand> penguin42: I posted the bug link in -bugs and the logs are attached to it... I don't see what's going wrong though..
[02:06] <penguin42> arand: I knowthere is a bug (bug I thought it was for the non-alternate) for the install failing if there were existing unrecognised partitions - but I don't know if it's related
[02:07] <arand> I wonder if the unassociated pv messes with things..., that's next on my list to check if nothing else pops out
[02:09] <penguin42> arand: I'd bring the volume groups up by hand - I think there is a vgchange -a that needs doing somewhere along the line, and then see what happens
[02:10] <Fluttershy> does anyone know what might be causing the date/time editor to not be updating to the new one in a3?
[02:54] <josh1> I am trying 11.04 and I am trying to install it, but the install is taking like 2hrs, this is the xubuntu version, any idea why? oh this is alpha 3
[02:59] <josh1> how long are installs taking you guys?
[03:04] <josh1> has anybody have problems installing alpha 3
[03:06] <Fluttershy> it took me about 1.5 hours to updgrade from Maverick
[03:07] <josh1> Mine has been running for atleast 2 hrs and it is a fresh install off of a flash drive
[03:07] <Fluttershy> I don't think xubuntu is supported here, though
[03:07] <josh1> hmm, there isn't a support channel for natty xubuntu?
[03:07] <josh1> I tried xubuntu+1, nothing there
[03:08] <Daekdroom> I believe this is the channel
[03:08] <Fluttershy> I wouldn't know, sorry; what about regular #xubuntu?
[03:09] <Daekdroom> Definitely not there
[03:09] <josh1> nobody is talking there, I can't get anybody to answer questions about regular xubuntu there either
[03:10] <josh1> I would install the ubuntu version of natty, but I have had better luck running xfce on my laptops
[03:10] <Fluttershy> xubuntu is pretty small-scale compared to ubuntu/kubuntu, especially since there's competition in lubuntu
[03:10] <josh1> gnome and unity are too much for my laptops to handle
[03:11] <Fluttershy> how old are they? I have Ubuntu Natty running on my netbook just fine
[03:11] <josh1> lubuntu is ok, but I have never felt that it was a good fit, not exactly polished, xubuntu seemed better
[03:12] <Daekdroom> Xubuntu is no longer known for being light.
[03:12] <josh1> p4 with 512 ram (old one), new one is a netbook (cr-48 from google)
[03:12] <Daekdroom> It's not as heavy as ubuntu or kubuntu, sure.
[03:12] <josh1> actually it is pretty light here, runs much better on the p4 laptop
[03:13] <josh1> I can get it down to 100mb of ram or less  at boot by just turning off some startup apps
[03:17] <josh1> is there any benefit to using the 64bit version if I have less than 3 gigs of ram?
[03:18] <Fluttershy> I'm of the opinion 64bit versions are rarely beneficial
[03:19] <Daekdroom> Nope.
[03:19] <Daekdroom> Unless you like enconding videos, compiling etc
[03:21] <josh1> I have x64 of 8.04 on my desktop (4 gigs of ram) but I didn't know if I would benefit on my laptop
[04:15] <EvilPhoenix> where can i get a copy of the alpha (for testing purposes on a non-production machine)?
[04:16] <rww> EvilPhoenix: the links are on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha3 , which you probably also want to read.
[04:44] <coz_>  hey guys
[04:56] <espen77> are there any themes with transparent top for the windows?
[05:14] <Blue1> will the new release of ubuntu (11.04) support gnome 3 or no?
[06:05] <edgy_> Hi, my ubuntu/gnome windows doesn't have the border in top where I can move the window and close it! It seems related to my home config file. how can I reset this to default?
[06:34] <visual1ce> hi
[06:36] <visual1ce> my gaming system is sitting doing nothing... i'd like to run the natty live cd - is there a script or something that runs programmes/tasks repetitively and if/when an error occurs automatically sends a report to canonical?
[06:36] <visual1ce> i wonder if it will run raid ICH10r
[06:39] <head_victim> visual1ce: I don't think I installed it so it should be default, in the System Menu there is a "System Testing" program that does some tests and offers to send them back to the developers if that's what you mean
[06:39] <visual1ce> thx
[07:28] <throughnothing> anyone here running natty on a macbook?
[07:54] <arand> Has anyone here successfully been able to launch partman (partitioning step of d-i) on a already-LVM system past alpha3? I am not and want to figure out if it's due to the LVM or something else...?
[08:16] <zzillezz> no lvm here arand, sorry
[08:26] <magn3ts> It might make sense to include instructions on enabling internet time...
[08:26] <magn3ts> ... or better yet jsut prompting to install support like hte Share settings does for Samba...
[08:30] <magn3ts> I just look foward to nautilus being replaced.
[12:00] <stojabreak> New X.org is in Synaptic ?
[12:08] <coz_> hey all
[13:18] <stiannes> Is anyone else having trouble installing vim on amd64?
[13:20] <yofel> works fine here
[13:20] <stiannes> K
[13:21] <stiannes> I'm trying to translate the error-message from my native language, but it makes no sense
[13:21] <stiannes> Can you change the language of aptitude without changing the system language?
[13:22] <arand> I don't know if you can run a program with LOCALE= first ..
[13:28] <stiannes> arand: I can set the locale settings manually for a terminal session. That fixed it ;)
[13:28] <stiannes> vim : Depends: vim-common (= 2:7.3.035+hg~8fdc12103333-1ubuntu3) but 2:7.3.035+hg~8fdc12103333-1ubuntu4 is to be installed
[13:29] <stiannes> Is there a quick-fix for wrong deps?
[13:30] <zniavre> good afternoon
[13:30] <arand> That sounds like some parts of vim have been published but others not, dunno if you can specify to install the older version
[13:30] <zniavre> im right now using natty + nouveau driver + unity-2d with compiz , im wondering why i can't use unity (3d) ?
[13:32] <Crashbit> zniavre: your natty is updated ?
[13:32] <arand> stiannes: hmm, was published 5 days ago, so doubting my suggested reason.
[13:35] <arand> stiannes: And looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/vim_7.3.035%2Bhg%7E8fdc12103333-1ubuntu4_amd64.deb it seems to depend on ..4, so I don't know what's going on in your case
[13:36] <robin0800> zniavre, don't think unity 2d uses compiz?
[13:39] <weld> zniavre: I had to install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental to get unity running with nouveau, but i had many freezes
[13:41] <stiannes> arand: For some reason, my vim package, using "apt-cache show vim", is showing lubuntu3, not 4.
[13:42] <arand> stiannes: might be a muckup in lubuntu
[13:45] <stiannes> arand: But why isn't my system getting version 4 if it's released 5 days ago?
[13:49] <zniavre> robin0800,  it was just a "test
[13:49] <zniavre> weld,  i did that too but unity does not want to start, do i need to uninstall unity-2d ?
[13:50] <zniavre> when unity (3d) seems to start the desktop is empty (no launcher , no panel, only the terminal.desktop i put into the desktop)
[13:51] <weld> zniavre: can you open the terminal from there and run unity?
[13:51] <weld> i didn't have unity-2d installed, but i think it shouldn't matter
[13:52] <zniavre> weld,  yes i can open it but it's unusable i can't type in it
[13:53] <weld> zniavre: you can switch to a tty? then you can do 'DISPLAY=:0  unity' and see what it says
[13:53] <zniavre> let me try it bbsoon
[13:57] <arminmarth> Hi there - I recently updated to 11.04 and the time applet has disappeared in Unity... anybody have any ideas?
[13:58] <ikt> reformat reinstall
[13:58] <Daekdroom> ikt, >.>
[13:58] <arminmarth> i.e. in the top notification area, there's no time clock displayed
[13:59] <zniavre> it freeze the computer :o(
[13:59] <zniavre> it does a kind of restarting of unity and it freeze
[13:59] <ikt> arminmarth,  is indicator-datetime installed?
[14:00] <weld> zniavre: i struggled with that problem too, so i installed the nvidia driver again for now
[14:00] <zniavre> it works?
[14:00] <weld> yes
[14:00] <zniavre> the newest one for recent hardware ?
[14:01] <arminmarth> no it's not -- i'll install it now?
[14:01] <weld> zniavre: you can use jockey-text to install it from terminal
[14:02] <weld> for me it shows only the nvidia driver at the moment
[14:02] <zniavre> ok
[14:03] <zniavre> i should install it first
[14:05] <weld> the big problem with the nvidia driver for me is that i can't use ttys because they are completely off-screen, just the first line or so is showing at the bottom
[14:06] <zniavre> is nt posible to setup the tty resolution ?
[14:06] <weld> zniavre: did you have the nvidia driver installed before on that pc?
[14:06] <zniavre> yes
[14:06] <zniavre> 173.14.28
[14:06] <arminmarth> OK ikt, I've installed indicator-datetime ; stupid question, but how do I configure it?
[14:07] <weld> you might check if the nouveau module is blacklisted still from the nvidia driver
[14:07] <zniavre> doncf-editor no for datetime-indicator
[14:07] <zniavre> ?
[14:07] <weld> look in /etc/modprobe.d/ if there's a file with nvidia.. blacklist nouveau or smth
[14:07] <weld> a file named like that, i mean
[14:09] <zniavre> there is not
[14:09] <zniavre> no luck with unity :o(
[14:11] <weld> zniavre: you should especially check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see which driver is actually used
[14:11] <zniavre> nouveau is used
[14:12] <weld> i havent tried nouveau since a few weeks now, so I can't say if it works for me
[14:13] <edgy> Hi, I cannot start gnucash from my kde but can do this from gnome, any hint, how to track this problem?
[14:13] <weld> it used to, when i last tried, but with freezes
[14:13] <ikt> arminmarth, not sure sorry, i'll check when i get back
[14:16] <arminmarth> ikt: thanks, I've installed indicator-datetime and i've launched indicator-datetime-preferences and checked "Show a clock in the menu bar" but still nothing -- might need to log out and back in
[14:21] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:27] <penguin42> hey
[15:14] <edgy> what's the situation of nvidia card now, I am getting black lines or strips in the menus, shall I install from jockey?
[15:14] <Bauldrick> wifi - broadcom bcm4312 just stopped working after upgrade.. i read about reverting to B43 driver, is that the only way?
[15:15] <arand> edgy: It seems to work very well for me just now, 8600gt.
[15:31] <edgy> arand: nice, I was new to nvidia, so just jockey and would install, what if something goes wrong, how can I go back? which package to remove?
[16:48] <alex_mayorga> my panels keep disappearing on restart, tips?
[16:48] <alex_mayorga> this is on regular desk, not unity
[17:03] <pentester> any of you try natty yet?
[17:04] <penguin42> yeh, that's why we're here
[17:04] <pentester> how are you liking it, im not not a fan at the moment
[17:04] <penguin42> a bit flaky for me
[17:05] <pentester> its almost a, how can we make it look just like apple's os
[17:08] <Blue1> will the new version have support for gnome 3, or are the full steaming unity?
[17:08] <penguin42> yeh, although I think some of the reason is to make it work with touch displays which I have some sympathy with, and Unity is a LOT better than it was a month ago - I just think it needs that same order of improvement again
[17:08] <Daekdroom> Blue1, Unity doesn't replace GNOME, and Ubuntu 11.04 is shipping GNOME 2.32 anyway
[17:09] <Blue1> Daekdroom: it is my understanding they will replace gnome with unity
[17:09] <Daekdroom> Blue1, nope
[17:09] <Daekdroom> Blue1, they're going to use Unity instead of Gnome shell, which is part of Gnome.
[17:10] <Blue1> Daekdroom: ahh good == there is been a lot of flak about gnome vs ubuntu in slashdot recently
[17:10] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Isn't the problem the Gnome 3 transition?
[17:10] <Daekdroom> penguin42, it's a tough transition, indeed, but I think they'd use Unity nevertheless
[17:10] <Blue1> i found unity to be pretty pathetic, but then that's just one guys opinion
[17:11] <Daekdroom> I'm used to it, but I might migrate to Gnome shell because it looks neater.
[17:11] <Blue1> Daekdroom: i have debian in a vbox atm, looking at that
[17:12] <Blue1> let me scroll to the top and see when the beta is out
[17:13] <Blue1> end of march beta 1 will be released
[17:13] <pentester> im running 11.04 in vm at the moment and honestly i hate the new top panel. seems like there trying to condense things and add more, what seems unneeded
[17:14] <penguin42> pentester: The actual moving the menus into there seems actually a good idea - gets me a lot more screen space back; but it's quite touchy
[17:14] <Blue1> pentester: are you able to customise the look of unity at all?  I couldn't change am/pm, background pics, etc - no max/min -- and no multi-tasking
[17:14] <Daekdroom> penguin42, it's not really necessary in big monitors
[17:15] <Daekdroom> and if you have a non-maximized window close to the bottom, it stays too far.
[17:15] <marenostrum> Hello. Lucid here. Is there anybody who uses Firefox 4.0 RC (downloaded from Firefox sites) or Firefox (Minefield) 4.0b13pre from ppa? With those versions I can't view videos from Youtube site. Flash videos from some other sites are viewed. My flash player version: adobe-flashplugin <IP_ADDRESS>0lucid1 .
[17:15] <Daekdroom> marenostrum, Lucid support is in #ubuntu
[17:16] <Blue1> ff 64 bit continues to crash my system in 10.10  - but worked flawlessly in 10.04
[17:16] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Yeh, but it works well on this <--- machine which is a laptop and I have 3 separate IRC windows and a terminal open
[17:16] <Daekdroom> I have a LCD 22" in 1080p =/
[17:16] <marenostrum> Daekdroom, I'm asking because its related with Firefox 4.0 which will be in the next release. I just want to know if this is a bug from Mozilla side or not.
[17:16] <Daekdroom> marenostrum, nothing wrong with Flash in here
[17:17] <marenostrum> Daekdroom, Thanks. I got it.
[17:17]  * yofel is getting flash64 crashes with minefield, not that frequently though
[17:18] <Daekdroom> za
[17:18] <nit-wit> marenostrum, yes minefield
[17:18] <Blue1> marenostrum: latest flash here:  http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html
[17:18] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Yeh this ---> machine has the 24" 1080p monitor, that <--- machine is the laptop :-)
[17:19] <marenostrum> Blue1, thank you.
[17:19] <Blue1> marenostrum: welcome
[17:20] <marenostrum> nit-wit, can you view Youtube videos with no problem?
[17:21] <nit-wit> marenostrum, yeah I missed the lucid i'm on Maverick, did you install the restricted extras
[17:21]  * penguin42 can watch flash except not fullscreen (on my radeon) - I've got a reliable kernel panic I can trigger by full screen video plus switching desktops
[17:22] <Daekdroom> every once in a while in my radeon I get kernel oopses because of a GPU lock up, but I'm using xorg-edgers
[17:22] <marenostrum> nit-wit, Anyway, if there's no problem and if its telated with me, that's not important. lets forget about it. Thanks a lot.
[17:22] <marenostrum> *related
[17:23] <nit-wit> there is a good flash checker FF plugin. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/flash-aid/  good luck
[17:23] <marenostrum> nit-wit, Thanks. I'll give it a try.
[17:47] <aroman> anyone know how I can trick ubiquity into showing it's panel?
[17:53] <thofke> I thought I'd give 11.04 a try and installed it on a USB-stick, but when I try the unity interface it just shows the desktop-background without menu etc... Compiz et al. is not crashing. Why can't I use unity? (On a side not: I tried to turn on compiz recently on 10.10 but it didn't function, I did not mind, but I know it worked on 9.10, I believe)
[17:53] <thofke> Moreover, when nothing crashes how am I supposed to file a bug-report?
[17:54] <Daekdroom> How long do you wait before you conclude that it's not showing up?
[17:54] <thofke> about 10 minutes
[17:54] <Daekdroom> Compiz/Unity is taking a hell lot long to start
[17:54] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[17:54] <Daekdroom> Well, not that long
[17:54] <thofke> I had dinner in the meantime ;)
[17:55] <thofke> Checked in between
[17:56] <thofke> I tried alpha-3 as Live-USB also, and with that one compiz crashes but it says that it cannot apport due to low memory...
[17:57] <thofke> Can it be a hardware problem, as compiz is also not functioning in 10.10? Or is there somewehere a regression creeped in between 9.10 and now?
[18:00] <thofke> I must admit that this laptop is from I believe 2004...
[18:04] <Daekdroom> thofke, what's the videocard?
[18:04] <Daekdroom> I remember reports of problems with Intel i915
[18:05] <thofke> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300]
[18:05] <Daekdroom> Hm, it should be fine.
[18:08] <thofke> Right, I have seen a report on the net from a X300 owner with a functioning unity.
[19:50] <zniavre> im still stuck on unity2d + nouveau, unity regular session does not load fully
[19:51] <Daekdroom> zniavre, nouveau doesn't have 3D support.
[19:52] <zniavre> Daekdroom,  strangely i can use compiz and/or metacity composite but not unity (3d)
[19:52] <Daekdroom> zniavre, composite is 2D
[19:52] <zniavre> what compiz is?
[19:53] <zniavre> please*
[19:53] <Daekdroom> I believe both.
[19:53] <Daekdroom> But I'm not sure
[19:53] <zniavre> it's what i believe too
[20:28] <throughnothing> does natty ship with gtk3?
[20:29] <Daekdroom> throughnothing, not by default, but it's available in the repos
[20:29] <throughnothing> hmm, everytime i log in gnome-power-manager crashes, and if i run it manually i get this:
[20:30] <throughnothing> Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported
[20:30] <throughnothing> i don't think I intentionally installed anything gtk3
[20:32] <throughnothing> Daekdroom, any ideas?
[20:32] <Daekdroom> Nope.
[20:32] <Daekdroom> Do you use any PPAs?
[20:33] <throughnothing> Actually, I had tried the gnome3 ppa to test gnome-shell, but it didnt work, and I tried to remove everything from that PPA, and now have it removed
[20:33] <throughnothing> but maybe it hosed some stuff
[20:33] <throughnothing> iiinteresting
[20:33] <throughnothing> so i did sudo aptitude search gtk3
[20:33] <bjsnider> use ppa-purge to remove it
[20:34] <throughnothing> bjsnider, i did that
[20:34] <throughnothing> so i think there was some lingering stuff from gnome3 though
[20:34] <throughnothing> i removed all the gtk3 stuff that was installed, which force-removed gnome-power-manager and ubuntu-desktop
[20:34] <throughnothing> then i re-installed ubuntu-desktop and gnome-power-manager
[20:34] <throughnothing> and now it seems to be running fine....
[20:35] <xAndromeda> lol
[20:38] <throughnothing> mayb not the best solution....hehe
[20:41] <throughnothing> bjsnider, ahh actually ppa-purge looks like what i need
[20:41] <throughnothing> i had just removed them from ubuntu-software-center, thought it was the same thing
[20:57] <george123> why i cant view unity DE in 11.04 64bit live cd?
[20:57] <arand> no accelerated video drivers?
[20:58] <george123> arand: what 's this?
[20:59] <george123> arand: I mean how do i activate them?
[20:59] <arand> george123: Make sure universe is enabled, and the use the additional hardware drivers application (jockey-gtk)
[21:00] <george123> arand: from hardware drivers?
[21:00] <yofel> actually, restriced needs to be enabled for them
[21:00] <yofel> *restricted
[21:01] <yofel> george123: what graphics card do you have?
[21:01] <george123> geforce 9400 gt
[21:01] <yofel> yep, that needs the nvidia drivers installed, I don't know if that will work on the live cd though
[21:03] <george123> yofel: So, do I have to install 11.04 alpha 3?
[21:03] <arand> The experimental nouveau might work better for a no-restart test, if they work that is
[21:04] <yofel> george123: try arands suggestion, if they don't work, you will have to install it to test it (virtualbox4 has 3D support I think too if you want to try it that way)
[21:04] <george123> ok
[21:14] <arand> george123: Also, persistent usb will let you instal drivers and reboot in to use them and test thusly.
[21:23] <zgr> Hello I'm using natty and have some troubles with indicator applet. Time to time volume control and keyboard layout icons disappears or behave weird, same thing with bottom gnome-panel and I'm constantly receiving messages that some program (usually aptdaemon and compiz) has crashed. Any way to fix that issues?
[21:41] <DanaG> hmm, anyone here try both KDE and Gnome on a tablet PC (that is, a real Wacom)?
[21:42] <DanaG> Last time I tried both, neither was quite as nice as Windows 7, to be honest.
[21:42] <DanaG> I know there's CellWriter for Gnome... is there a KDE native equivalent?
[21:42] <DanaG> I also found that the large size (in pixels) of Oxygen was helpful.
[22:39] <DanaG> argh, cdimage.ubuntu.com is being extremely slow.
[22:39] <DanaG> 122 kilobytes per second.
[23:03] <magn3ts> Natty's torent tracker's throwing a 400...
[23:55] <kklimonda> any idea if I can test gnome shell in virtualbox?


[00:04] <blahdeblah> rfm: thanks
[01:46] <ChmEarl> blahdeblah, you need dom0 at xen-4.15.x or higher to handle zstd compressed kernels like in Jammy or any Fedora 34+
[01:58] <blahdeblah> ChmEarl: Yeah, seems that way.  Which means a jammy domU on a Debian bullseye dom0 is no-go.
[01:58] <ChmEarl> blahdeblah, wait till you try and debootstrap a jammy domU
[01:59] <ChmEarl> since jammy has zstd built into dpkg, but Bullseye does not
[02:00] <blahdeblah> I guess this accelerates my plans to move from Xen to KVM on my VM host. :-)
[02:04] <ChmEarl> blahdeblah, I'm in xen-4.16.2 with qemu-7 on Bullseye now with Alma9 & Jammy VM's
[02:05] <blahdeblah> Custom-built xen packages?  Doesn't seem like there's a 4.15+ backport
[02:05] <ChmEarl> and a focal VM has my buildroot for all Debian/Ubuntu builds
[02:06] <ChmEarl> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/xen/debian/bullseye-nmu/4gx-q7/setup/xl-info-deb11.multi
[02:11] <ChmEarl> blahdeblah, if you need to debootstrap Jammy, do it from a Focal VM
[13:27] <JornS> I've got an issue on a box with two nic's, one with a public ip and one private ip. Both are configured for static ip's using netplan, but the internal one only replies to pings form the same subnet - assuming I'll need to add routing manually? config similar to this one (just sanitized the ips) https://pastebin.com/x8s8k9g4 If I remove the enp12s0
[13:27] <JornS> config, enp1s0 works and replies just fine
[13:47] <ahasenack> JornS: have you set ip_forwarding to 1? That's /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[13:50] <JornS> should I? the box shouldn't route, fw or nat anything, I'm just trying to have it listen to two distinct networks and reply to traffic from them? I'm guessing that the server is sending the ping replies out over the public interface instead of just using the same it received the ping on...
[13:53] <JornS> haha, echoing 1 to ip_forward makes it send every other response on that nic
[13:54] <JornS> https://pastebin.com/C4rckX0T
[13:54] <ahasenack> I misunderstood your diagnostic then
[13:54] <ahasenack> diagnosis
[13:54] <ahasenack> you said the internal one only replied to pings on the same subnet
[13:55] <ahasenack> which is expected if routing isn't being done
[13:55] <JornS> yes, indeed
 perhaps we should petition for sshd to drop it's `d` because with this change it's not a daemon anymore, just a server that spins up and shuts down on request: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/sshd-now-uses-socket-based-activation-ubuntu-22-10-and-later/30189/5 </troll> 🤪
[13:57] <ahasenack> I there is even an alias, so both ssh and sshd works from a systemctl perspective
[13:57] <diddledani> nice
[13:57] <diddledani> (I actually think it's a good idea to make the change)
[13:58] <diddledani> let systemd borg everything ;-)
[13:58] <ahasenack> I dislike the fact that /etc/ssh/sshd_config no longer controls the port number, for example
[13:58] <ahasenack> it can be very confusing
[13:58] <ahasenack> you edit that file, issue your normal restart, but the port it's listening on doesn't change
[13:59] <diddledani> yes, that's a bit of a pain - what we need is for systemd to allow a helper script to parse things like that out of pre-existing disperate configuration files to allow for fallback if a system is old or the admin hasn't heard about the changes and is now confused how to configure it
[14:00] <ahasenack> another systemd feature is needed, you say? :)
[14:01] <diddledani> yes, yes I do ;-p
[14:01] <diddledani> I, for once, welcome our new programmatic overlords
[14:01] <diddledani> one*
[14:02] <diddledani> although getting it going in WSL2 was a pain, as was getting it going in docker containers
[14:06] <sdeziel> JornS: you have 2 gateway4 clauses which could explain the round robin routing behavior I think
[14:07] <JornS> yeah, I just tried adding routes to the netplan config instead, seems netplan isn't too happy about gateway4 clauses at all :P
[14:07] <JornS> "`gateway4` has been deprecated, use default routes instead. See the 'Default routes' section of the documentation for more details."
[14:08] <JornS> (awesome that netplan.io is updated and current in it's suggestions /s )
[14:08] <ahasenack> yesterday I lost access to a VM because I had an indentation error in the netplan file
[14:08] <ahasenack> two spaces were all it took to force me to do some acrobatics and get back into the vm
[14:09] <sdeziel> ahasenack: I hear you... there is `netplan try` that can be handy sometimes
[14:09] <JornS> yeah.. like, I understand the need to modernize network config, but yaml...
[14:09] <JornS> lol
[14:09] <JornS> oh well, thanks anyway :)
[14:09] <ahasenack> sdeziel: I thought I had run `generate` first
[14:09] <ahasenack> if I did, and it failed, I didn't see it
[14:09] <ahasenack> I then rebooted
[14:09] <ahasenack> and kaput
[14:10] <sdeziel> JornS: yeah, `gateway4` and `gateway6` are deprecated but that's what Jammy's installed put in the file...
[14:13] <sdeziel> ahasenack: `netplan generate` and `netplan try` fail very differently on indentation error, that is despite the fact that `try` is supposed to call `generate` behind the scene...
[14:14] <ahasenack> really?
[14:15] <sdeziel> ahasenack: that said, `generate` only translate the YAML into systemd-networkd *ephemeral* configs so if you missed the reported error and rebooted it was too late
[14:15] <ahasenack> yes
[14:15] <ahasenack> I probably just missed the error
[14:15] <ahasenack> I reproduced it now, and generate does fail:
[14:15] <sdeziel> ahasenack: `generate` vs `try` output: https://termbin.com/dxzj
[14:16] <ahasenack> I rarely use `try`, just the generate + apply combo
[14:31] <ahasenack> I was using netplan to configure wireguard, and found two bugs already
[14:31] <ahasenack> so I don't really see any advantage in using netplan
[14:31] <ahasenack> unless for some readon you cannot install wireguard-tools
[14:31] <ahasenack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1987842
[14:31] <ahasenack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1987343
[14:32] <ahasenack> this latter one is probably more on systemd-networkd's shoulders, but netplan could still add the routes itself
[14:32] <ahasenack> at least the behavior is documented on systemd-networkd's manpage
[14:33] <ahasenack> so its user (netplan in this case) should add the missing routes I think
[14:33] <ahasenack> s/user/consumer/
[14:34] <JornS> >:/
[14:34] <JornS> tried redoing the config with routes - to, same issue as far as I can tell: https://pastebin.com/d3BtYy1f
[14:35] <JornS> (I'm more than willing to learn how-to-netplan, but it seems pretty... yolo so far :P)
[14:38] <sdeziel> JornS: can you describe the issue again (sorry) because the paste you shared looks good to me
[14:39] <sdeziel> JornS: the only thing that caught my attention is the private NIC uses a /24 but a /16 route. Not an issue per say but maybe a typo?
[14:39] <JornS> hmm.. good point, I'll see if changing that makes any difference!
[14:42] <JornS> I've got two interfaces, enp1s0 (private net) and enp12s0 (public internet). as soon as I add the public interface, the private one stops responding to ping/traffic from routed networks on the private one (my servers in the same subnet can still ping the private ip, but I'm unable of getting any replies over my wg-interface in subnets "surrounding"
[14:42] <JornS> it...
[14:47] <sdeziel> JornS: that wg-interface doesn't show in the `ip a`, ... output in the paste making it harder to understand
[14:48] <JornS> the wg-interface is on my local machine, not the server :P
[14:50] <sdeziel> JornS: and what's the source IP address of packets showing up at the server?
[14:50] <sdeziel> JornS: when you ping over Wireguard that is
[14:54] <JornS> 14:53:08.017245 IP <IP_ADDRESS> > logingest.domain.tld: ICMP echo request, id 5, seq 6, length 64
[14:56] <sdeziel> JornS: OK so <IP_ADDRESS> falls outside of <IP_ADDRESS>/24 so it will be routed through <IP_ADDRESS>. You can confirm by running this on the server: `ip route get <IP_ADDRESS>`
[14:57] <sdeziel> JornS: if `ip route get` confirms this, the question is then: can <IP_ADDRESS> reach <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[14:57] <JornS> that gave me: <IP_ADDRESS> dev enp1s0 src <IP_ADDRESS> uid 0
[14:57] <JornS>     cache
[14:57] <JornS> 104 is the ip of the server itself, not the gw
[14:58] <sdeziel> yeah, I'm working with an old paste though where a /16 route was in place. Would you mind pasting the newer version with `ip` commands and the netplan conf?
[14:58] <JornS> sure!
[14:58] <JornS> two secs
[15:01] <JornS> https://pastebin.com/eRmSBWSN
[15:03] <sdeziel> JornS: OK so that explains why the kernel wants to do a direct reply not route anything
[15:04] <JornS> ok?
[15:04] <sdeziel> JornS: in your tcpdump, do you see an `ICMP echo reply`?
[15:06] <JornS> nope
[15:06] <sdeziel> JornS: is there a firewall on the server?
[15:07] <JornS> not that I'm aware of at least... this is a plain ubuntu server install, so I don't think there's any ufw or anything like that running
[15:08] <sdeziel> JornS: hang on, the `ip r` shows a route for <IP_ADDRESS>/16 but that's not coming from netplan
[15:08] <sdeziel> and the <IP_ADDRESS>/16 that should be there is missing
[15:25] <JornS> thanks!
[15:25] <JornS> I'll try to figure that out
[20:30] <mybalzitch>   System load:                      6.23974609375
[20:44] <sdeziel>   that's almost 2π
[20:55] <ahasenack> there's a bug for that
[20:58] <ahasenack> hm, maybe it was just someone mentioning it, I can't find a bug now
[21:32] <znf> Is anyone else seeing this on Ubuntu 22.04? https://pastie.dev/wi4WV9.yaml
[21:32] <znf> this is a fresh deployment on Vultr
[21:33] <znf> but I can reproduce it anywhere else with 22.04
[21:33] <znf> what I'm hinting at is the "" "" "" "" "" crap
[21:43] <mybalzitch> yep
[21:43] <mybalzitch> mines got a whole lot of that
[21:53] <sdeziel> same here, the worker processes has it
[23:20] <tomreyn> this looks like someone overdid it when some quoting related vulnerability needed to be fixed.


[14:08] <ChinnoDog> http://www.dcfoodies.com/2011/07/dc-restaurant-week-summeraugust-2011.html
[14:08] <ChinnoDog> I need a dinner date.