[01:57] <mup> PR snapd#11652 closed: tests: update snapd testing tools <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11652>
[06:08] <mborzecki> morning
[06:32] <mardy> mborzecki: hi! Historical question: has there ever been a time when snap-confine was running under some other user than root (I mean, before we started using sc_set_effective_identity())?
[06:34] <mardy> I'm asking because we are *sometimes* calling chown() on newly created directories, which seems weird
[06:35] <mardy> like for example you did here: 73e89cf8cae423bca52df128e2f8d3508068f55c
[06:35] <mardy> wasn't snap-confine running as root back then?
[06:38] <mborzecki> mardy: iirc that was done as part of suse review, the problem was that all of s-c would run as root as it's a setuid binary, so they requested to limit as-root operations only to what is really necessary
[06:39] <mborzecki> hence the code flips between uid/gid a number of times
[06:48] <mardy> mborzecki: yes, that makes sense. I'm just wondering why we added chown after mkdir, if the mkdirs already are done as the root user
[06:48] <mborzecki> mardy: whcih place?
[06:50] <mardy> mborzecki: I'm working on a branch with some cleanups, and one of them would be this: https://github.com/mardy/snapd/commit/b1b668b065790b1d741add95c476300c3894fecb
[06:50] <mborzecki> mardy: the directory could have eisted before, potentially with the wrong permissions
[06:50] <mardy> mborzecki: but if you have a look at the commit I mentioned before (73e89cf8cae423bca52df128e2f8d3508068f55c), you'll see that some of those chowns were added by you
[06:51] <mardy> mborzecki: but the code there calls chmod only if the directory did not exist :-)
[06:52] <mborzecki> mardy: ah right, heh, should have been `res != 0`
[06:53] <mborzecki> mardy: possible that this part was running under the real uid at some point
[06:54] <mborzecki> hm but then mkdirs would fail i think
[06:54] <mborzecki> mardy: so maybe a bug after all
[06:56] <mardy> mborzecki: but the comment there explicitly says that the chown needs to be done only if we created the dirs, so the "==" is consistent with that
[06:57] <mardy> I saw a comment (or maybe it was a commit message) that stated that we rely on packaging doing the right thing. I think that the current assumption is correct, and that the chown is not needed
[07:00] <mborzecki> mardy: ok, i see now, take a look at commit 82c8083d64b9af5d35d7b7cfb11d6faeb800e375
[07:01] <mborzecki> mardy: now we're flipping both uid and gid, but before we only changed uid, hence mkdir would give ou a directory owned by `0:<user's-gid>`
[07:03] <pstolowski> morning
[07:05] <mardy> mborzecki: oh, that's interesting (and so cool when the git history is so explicative!), thanks!
[07:05] <mardy> pstolowski: hi!
[07:39] <mup> PR snapd#11786 opened: Mount support cleanups <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11786>
[07:54] <mborzecki> mardy: so there are going to be some wsl2 specific files under /var/lib/snapd/lib/
[07:54] <mborzecki> ?
[08:06] <diddledani> Mardy, is that a response to my pr yesterday, or has someone else been working on wsl2, also?
[08:07] <diddledani> mborzecki: if the is a response to my wsl2 pr then maybe we will get wsl libs in that dir. I've marked my pr as draft to get feedback for now: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11785
[08:07] <mup> PR #11785: RFC: WSL2 GPU support in strict confinement <Created by diddledani> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11785>
[08:11] <diddledani> Mardy once your pr merges I'll reabse and make changes to my code to match the same usage of the sc_nonfatal_mkdir etv
[08:19] <mup> PR snapd#11787 opened: portal-info: Add CommonID Field <Created by 3v1n0> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11787>
[08:25] <mardy> diddledani: AFAIK no one else is working on WSL2, I just created my PR after seeing yours
[08:26] <diddledani> mardy: I'd like to see the sc_mkdir_and_mount_and_bind function(s) abstracted out to a shared helper location with the nvidia specifics removed (ie. call to `sc_nv_version();` and `sc_probe_nvidia_driver(&version);` bits done in the nvidia files with the mount and bind method simply mounting and binding rather than checking nvidia versions and stsuff
[09:05] <mardy> diddledani: that would make sense, but we can work on it later
[09:19] <mup> PR snapd#11788 opened: secboot/keymgr: extend unit tests, add helper for identify keyslot used error <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11788>
[10:11] <svip> mardy: I think I know what the problem is.  If pwd is $HOME, and I play the file, it works.  But if I change pwd to the directory the file is in (on sshfs mounted directory), it fails.
[10:12] <svip> I am still not sure of what the problem, but I do have a workaround now.
[10:19] <mardy> svip: mmm... can you please try starting other snaps while your CWD is somewhere in the sshfs tree? I wonder if this might be a generic problem with snaps
[10:20] <svip> I've experienced this problem with omxplayer-pi and vlc-pi, but they are both by the same developer, so they might simply share the same issue.
[10:20] <svip> Do you have any suggestion of a snap I could try?
[10:21] <mardy> svip: the hello-world one :-)
[10:21] <mardy> if that works, then we can try something more complicated, like the chromium one
[10:23] <svip> mardy: hello-world fails the same way.
[10:23] <ogra> there should be nothing special in either of the snaps (i'm the maintainer)
[10:24] <svip> mardy: Could it be the way I mount the sshfs volume?  I simply do the sshfs command without any flags.
[10:24] <svip> The external drives just happen to use the same user as me.
[10:34] <mardy> svip: wow, that's cool, in a way. Let me search if we already have a bug for this
[10:36] <mardy> svip: I cannot find anything, would you be so kind to file one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd Or I can do it, if you don't have time
[10:37] <svip> I can do it.
[10:40] <diddledani> sshfs is fuse-based right? the default for fuse filesystems is to block "other users" including root, so snapd will be unable to access the CWD when launching a snapped app
[10:41] <svip> diddledani: How do I allow others to read from the sshfs mounted directory?
[10:41] <diddledani> svip: add `user_allow_other` or `allow_root` in `/etc/fuse.conf`
[10:42] <diddledani> sorry I got that wrong
[10:42] <diddledani> add `user_allow_other` to `/etc/fuse.conf` then you need to use the `allow_root` option when mounting the fs
[10:43] <diddledani> with `user_allow_other` in `/etc/fuse.conf`, run this to mount `sshfs -o allow_root user@server:/source /destination`
[10:43] <svip> diddledani: That works!  Thanks.
[10:43] <diddledani> oh, you might not need `user_allow_other` in `/etc/fuse.conf` if you mount with that command
[10:44] <diddledani> ref: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/17402/why-does-root-get-permission-denied-when-accessing-fuse-directory#:~:text=It%27s%20the%20way%20fuse%20works.%20If%20you%20want,fuse%20filesystem%20with%20allow_other%20or%20allow_root%20as%20options.
[10:44] <svip> Well, considering it's just me on this machine (a Raspberry Pi), I wouldn't be too worried.
[12:01] <mardy> diddledani: too bad I was not looking at this chat, I just reached the same conclusion. I still think that we could improve this part a bit though, and make snap-confine more transparent about the user (who should not know about these details)
[12:25] <mup> PR snapd#11789 opened: interfaces: opengl: add rules for NXP i.MX GPU drivers <Created by IsaacJT> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11789>
[12:37] <mup> PR core-build#58 closed: initramfs: add neccessary modules for rockchip emmc and sdcard <Created by JeffyCN> <Closed by > <https://github.com/snapcore/core-build/pull/58>
[12:50] <mup> PR snapd#11790 opened: tests: core20 preseed/nested spread test <Preseeding 🍞> <Run nested> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11790>
[14:42] <mup> PR snapcraft#3740 opened: repo: enable package repository architectures <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3740>
[15:21] <mup> PR snapd#11762 closed: interfaces: tweak getPath() slightly and add some more tests <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11762>
[18:12] <mup> PR snapd#11599 closed: tests: use new snaps.name and snaps.cleanup tools <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11599>
[19:17] <mup> PR snapcraft#3740 closed: repo: enable package repository architectures <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3740>
[20:32] <mup> PR snapd#11791 opened: tests: fix the system-snap-refresh test <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11791>


[12:52] <mpt> mdke, the contents pane in Yelp
[12:52] <mdke> mpt: can you be a bit more specific? you mean the start page?
[12:52] <mpt> No, I mean the pane that normally takes up the left third of Yelp's window
[12:53] <mdke> and do you mean "all the time", or "for the documents that don't have subsections"
[12:53] <mpt> for the documents that don't have subsections
[12:53] <mpt> which, in the topic-based world, is many of them
[12:54] <mdke> well, we have two or three
[12:54] <mdke> I don't know what the answer is. Did you file a bug about it already? we could ask them to hide it for documents which have no sections
[12:55] <mpt> ok, I will
[12:55] <mdke> mpt: you think it should simply take up the whole window with the text?
[12:57] <mpt> Definitely
[12:58] <mdke> ok
[01:28] <LaserJock> oh, nifty a commit bot
[01:29] <mdke> LaserJock: bhuvan spotted it, it's taken about 6 months to get it to join :)
[01:29] <LaserJock> interesting, there is a CIA-1 in another channel I frequent ;-)
[01:30] <mdke> yeah, we added the hook to the svn repo ages ago but the guy who adds the bot went MIA and only just got to it now
[02:35] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3711 kubuntu/C/office/office.xml: missed one type :)
[02:35] <nixternal> yeah, I can spell
[03:46] <crimsun> it's impressive that "Redhat" is still used instead of "Red Hat"
[03:47] <crimsun> (meaning that someone needs to fix that typo)
[03:49] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3712 kubuntu/C/about-kubuntu/about-kubuntu.xml: fixed Redhat typo just for crimsun
[03:49] <crimsun> excellent. "Updated to revision 3712"
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> What's CIA-4 ?
[03:52] <crimsun> nixternal: next typo, same file, references "10,000" when it should be over "16,000"
[03:52] <crimsun> (I'll send a diff ;)
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> Isn't it more like 20,000 now?
[03:54] <crimsun> closer to 17,000
[03:55] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3713 kubuntu/C/about-kubuntu/about-kubuntu.xml: yet another typo found by the master of everything Ubuntu, the great crimsun himself
[03:55] <nixternal> ;p
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: Correct me if this is an inaccurate way of checking, but 'apt-cache search "" | grep "" -c' gives 21080.
[03:57] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: it's inflated.
[03:57] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: From what?  (I don't really know what that does - LjL gave me the command.
[03:58] <crimsun> apt-cache stats's Normal shows all Package names, including virtuals
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> oh, so things like ubuntu-desktop are in that number.
[03:58] <crimsun> yes
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> Any switch to avoid that?
[03:58] <crimsun> though ubuntu-desktop is a meta and not a virtual
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> What's the difference?
[03:59] <crimsun> the former's a package that depends on other packages for convenience; the latter's a dependency reference
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> a "dependency reference"?
[04:00] <crimsun> for instance, both exim4 and postfix provide the mail-transport-agent
[04:41] <niru> hello all
[04:41] <niru> I want to help in documentation who is going to give me work
[04:44] <nixternal> what kind of work are you looking for?
[04:45] <niru> I am intrested in both documentation work as well as translation
[04:45] <nixternal> GNOME, KDE, or Xfce side? or heck even the Edubuntu side?
[04:45] <niru> nixternal:just now I have subscribed to ubuntu-doc mailing list
[04:45] <niru> nixternal:GNOME and KDE
[04:46] <niru> nixternal:And among that I will prefer GNOME
[04:46] <nixternal> right now we are in the middle of switching over the typical docs you have seen for the past 2 years into a topic based help system instead of a handbook type layout
[04:46] <nixternal> for the GNOME side, you would want to speak with mdke which I am sure is currently sleeping as he is in the UK
[04:46] <nixternal> are you familiar with DocBook XML? SVN?
[04:47] <niru> nixternal:I heard about DocBook and SVN we are using
[04:48] <niru> nixternal:but indepth no
[04:48] <niru> nixternal:I shall learn those
[04:49] <nixternal> as for the translation side, I myself am not 100% familiar with it, but you would want to go https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+translations and try to work with your language
[04:49] <niru> hello bhuvan
[04:49] <bhuvan> hello niru
[04:50] <niru> nixternal:what about docs
[04:50] <niru> nixternal:are you going to give me tasks
[04:51] <nixternal> we don't hand out tasks, you find something you are comfortable with, and create patches against the current documentation, and then one of the team members will upload if approved
[04:54] <niru> nixternal:ok
[04:56] <bhuvan> niru: if you are interested to contribute, please see if you can contribute patches for server guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerGuide
[05:38] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3714 generic/serverguide/C/network-auth.xml: Patch by Lionel Porcheron for openldap server.
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3715 ubuntu/Makefile:
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * Include a new target for status to display latest status report in
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  doc.ubuntu.com. This will help the new contributors to know the
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  current status of each section.
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * Remove unused variables.
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * Add status target in "all" section so it'll be displayed in
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  doc.ubuntu.com website.
[05:51] <tonyyarusso> mmm, botspam!  hehe
[05:51] <bhuvan> :)
[05:53] <LaserJock> well, at least it isn't so quiet in here :-)
[05:53] <LaserJock> shows somebody is working ;-)
[06:06] <somerville32> Weeee :)
[09:04] <mdke> ugh
[09:24] <LaserJock> hi mdke
[09:24] <LaserJock> it's too late here
[09:27] <Burgundavia> it is morning there, as sure as it is morning here, LaserJock
[09:43] <mdke> bhuvan: good job!
[09:43] <bhuvan> mdke: openldap thing or status?
[09:44] <Burgundavia> openldap?
[09:45] <mdke> bhuvan: the latter.
[09:45] <mdke> btw, did you guys know that bdmurray (of docteam fame) has sneakily gone and got a job at Canonical?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> cool
[09:45] <Burgundavia> what is he doing?
[09:45] <mdke> QA
[09:46] <Burgundavia> nice
[09:46] <Burgundavia> where is he based?
[09:46] <mdke> germany?
[09:46] <mdke> ogra said he met him at the airport
[09:46] <Burgundavia> we need more QA people, so that rocks
[09:46] <Burgundavia> ogra is at canonical distro sprint
[09:46] <Burgundavia> so bdmurray could be from anywhere
[09:47] <mdke> I thought it was at the starting airport rather than finishing airport, but still
[09:47] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[09:48] <mdke> hmm, perhaps not :)
[09:48] <mdke> google suggests Oregon
[09:49] <Burgundavia> what are you basing that off of?
[09:49] <mdke> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/2492
[09:50] <Burgundavia> hmm, that makes two ODSL employees we have stolen
[09:50] <Burgundavia> as Kees Cook came from their as well
[09:50] <Burgundavia> s/their/there
[09:51] <mdke> nice
[09:51] <mdke> gotta go to work :/
[09:51] <mdke> cya
[10:42] <mpt> mdke, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399318
[10:42] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 399318 in docbook "Articles with no <section>s should not have contents pane or previous/next links" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[10:59] <bdmurray> Yes, I am from Oregon.
[11:00] <bdmurray> and thanks mdke
[11:42] <mpt> darn, no time for help writing today
[04:27] <willvdl> nixternal, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release says 6.10 yet to be released
[04:46] <nixternal> willvdl: thanks, I deleted that page. I started working from that page before we decided to switch to /release/Kubuntu
[04:49] <willvdl> sweet
[04:49] <willvdl> nixternal, release/Kubuntu on wiki or www?
[05:08] <nixternal> wiki
[05:11] <willvdl> you planning a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases/Kubuntu?
[07:35] <jenda> mdke: Looks like I have a replacement, so I soon won't need doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing
[07:35] <jenda> mdke: I'd like it to stay static for as long as posible, though, because we have plenty of links going that way.
[07:52] <mdke> jenda: sure
[07:53] <mdke> mpt: confirmed
[07:54] <mpt> ta
[07:56] <jenda> mdke: thx
[09:02] <popey> mdke: do you know of any list of big things to come in feisty?
[09:02] <popey> s/things/changes
[09:03] <popey> so far I have the gnome control centre, and switchable desktop bling
[09:03] <popey> anything else?
[09:03] <mdke> popey: not really, scott's blog has a few relevant posts; otherwise, the specs?
[09:03] <popey> ahh
[09:03] <popey> true
[09:04] <popey> the gstreamer auto-codec download thing wont make it to feisty will it?
[09:04] <mdke> I'm not sure
[09:50] <popey> mdke: any news on s.u.c?
[09:50] <popey> and/or is there anything we can do?
[09:50] <mdke> no :(
[10:22] <LaserJock> mdke: can wiki pages on wiki.u.c be made immutable? and if so is it easy?
[10:22] <mdke> LaserJock: yes, and yes :)
[10:22] <mdke> or rather
[10:22] <mdke> yes, and no
[10:23] <mdke> LaserJock: you'd have to request that access control be activated in the wiki's configuration, and that a group of administrators be set up who can make pages immutable and edit them
[10:23] <LaserJock> hmm, too much work
[10:24] <LaserJock> I just wondered if it was trivial
[10:24] <mdke> fraid not
[10:24] <mdke> it's easy enough on help.u.c/community
[10:27] <LaserJock> we are starting to get some policy type pages in MOTU and I thought if it was trivial I might make them immutable
[10:28] <LaserJock> instead I think I'll just have a nice warning at the top and leave it at that
[10:31] <LaserJock> mdke: is creating a category on a wiki as simple as just using [Category<Category>]  in your doc?
[10:32] <mdke> LaserJock: you simple create a page called CategoryLaserjock (I presume there is a template)
[10:33] <LaserJock> excellent


[14:13] <sj> hello there
[14:25] <sj> anybody here knows if there is going to be a training session on package/packaging ? (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training_
[14:26] <sj> anytime soon
[17:40] <helghareeb> and the rest comes


[00:14] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 407748
[00:14] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 407748 in Breakpad Integration "Ubuntu 7.10 Crash report submission failed: problem with the SSL CA cert" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407748
[00:18] <lidb> asac, Hello, how to resolve the rpath problem when built with xulrunner 1.9
[05:14] <lidb__> how to resolve the rpath problem when built with xulrunner 1.9
[09:30] <asac> Ubulette: for cairo: seb is fine with us uploading it. do you have a diff.gz as well? or just the debdiff?
[09:31] <asac> Ubulette: please bump shlibsversion though
[09:31] <asac> (if you didn't do it yet)
[09:32] <armin76> bumb
[09:33] <asac> bumb
[09:34] <asac> armin76: does gentoo have releases?
[09:34] <armin76> hahaha
[09:34] <asac> or is it a constantly rolling head?
[09:34] <armin76> yes :P
[09:34] <armin76> 2008.0 should be out this month
[09:34] <armin76> and i say _should_
[09:35] <armin76> because 2007.1 was supposed to get out on november but was cancelled :)
[09:35] <asac> huh ;)
[09:36] <armin76> so yes, but you don't need to switch to a release when its released
[09:36] <armin76> like switching from gutsy to hardy
[09:36] <armin76> its all auto
[09:36] <asac> ok so you cannot stick to an old release?
[09:36] <armin76> well, you can, if you don't upgrade your system globally :)
[09:37] <armin76> in fact a lot of ppl never upgrade their system because they don't know :P
[09:37] <asac> ok,l but support for previous releases is instantly dropped when a new release comes out?
[09:37] <asac> oh
[09:37] <asac> well ... then its still "switching" imo
[09:37] <armin76> yeah, more or less
[09:38] <armin76> but all packages are available to all the releases
[09:38] <armin76> except some core packages, like glibc and stuff
[09:39] <armin76> but two profiles are maintained atm
[09:39] <armin76> so, for example, with 2006.1 on alpha, you were blocked on glibc-2.3
[09:39] <armin76> with 2007.0 there's no glibc block
[09:40] <asac> ah ok
[09:40] <asac> i understand
[09:40] <asac> (a bit)
[09:40] <armin76> yeah, its a bit weird :P
[09:41] <asac> hehe ... i always thought that wierd can be bidirectionally translated to gentoo :)
[09:41] <asac>  wierd <=> gentoo ;)
[09:41]  * asac hides
[09:41] <asac> ok, but thanks for educating me
[09:41] <armin76> its more easy than debian :P
[09:41] <armin76> or ubuntu, at least the development part :)
[09:41] <asac> yeah ;)
[11:11] <asac> hi carlos. thanks for the mail
[11:11] <carlos> asac: you are welcome
[11:11] <carlos> today I will fix all issues with the import/export process
[11:11] <carlos> and provide you again with updated files
[11:11] <carlos> are you able to test your scripts with that file?
[11:12] <phoenix24> Hi!
[11:13] <phoenix24> asac: How should I download sources from CVS ?
[11:13]  * phoenix24 is confused about the TAGS & RELEASES.
[11:17] <phoenix24> for fireftp, you specified a TAG, what does it mean =>  export -D "26 Feb 2006 00:00 UTC"
[11:52] <asac> carlos: have you seen my comment about the line feed gltich?
[11:52] <carlos> asac: yeah, that's one of the things I'm going to fix today
[11:58] <asac> ok
[17:07] <armin76> [reed]: checkin!
[17:24] <cwong1> asac: ping
[18:29] <phoenix24> ubotu: bug #198780
[18:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198780 in firefox-3.0 "firefox crashes immediately on opening webpage" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198780
[18:29] <phoenix24> cool ubotu!!
[19:05] <Ubulette> hi
[19:05] <asac> hi
[19:05] <asac> gnash + network-manager uploaded
[19:06] <asac> right in time for a6 :) ... i am sure there will be no regressions (cough)
[19:07] <Ubulette> still no cairo ?
[19:08] <asac> 10:30 < asac> Ubulette: for cairo: seb is fine with us uploading it. do you have a diff.gz as well? or just the debdiff?
[19:08] <asac> 10:31 < asac> Ubulette: please bump shlibsversion though
[19:08] <asac> 10:31 < asac> (if you didn't do it yet)
[19:09] <Ubulette> i've bumped it. do you want the full diff ?
[19:10] <asac> yes please
[19:10] <Ubulette> will do
[19:11] <armin76> bumb!
[19:16] <Ubulette> hm, asac, full debdiff right ? not diff.gz of 1.5.12
[19:17] <asac> nono ... just diff.gz ... and open a bug to track that
[19:17] <asac> or not
[19:17] <asac> i don't mind
[19:17] <asac> but diff.gz for me ... i think i already have the debdiff
[19:20] <Ubulette> it's the same as my debdiff then
[19:20] <Ubulette> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5317/
[19:20] <asac> [reed]: i get an X61 tomorrow ;)
[19:20] <asac> Ubulette: how can it be the same
[19:20] <asac> the debdiff was a diff against a debian dir ... while a diff.gz is the _complete_ debian dir (at least) afaik
[19:21] <Ubulette> sorry, i meant it brings nothing more compared to the debdiff but nm, i'm upping it
[19:21] <asac> for review the debdiff is better... for applying the diff.gz is easier for me imo
[19:22] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/cairo_1.5.12-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[19:24] <armin76> asap!
[20:04] <[reed]> asac: cool
[20:04] <[reed]> asac: since upgrading to hardy, hibernate doesn't work, and I'm having weirder wifi issues with DNS resolution not working at random times
[20:05] <[reed]> oh, and then it just died randomly today
[20:05] <[reed]> pretty sure it's a gnome-power-manager bug not monitoring power correctly
[20:05] <[reed]> and failing to notify me
[20:17] <asac> [reed]: i will see tomorrow
[20:18] <asac> i guess i will volunteer to test alpha6 CDs ;)
[20:18] <asac> ISO testing
[20:18] <asac> [reed]: which USB instructions did you use?
[20:26] <phoenix24> bug 194894
[20:26] <phoenix24> bug #194894
[20:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194894 in firefox "Hardy's Firefox reports "version 1.9b3" in "about:"" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194894
[20:27] <phoenix24> Firefox About-Dialog says: "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9b3) Gecko/2008021416 Firefox/3.0b3"
[20:28] <phoenix24> is this a valid bug ?
[20:41] <[reed]> asac: don't remember... one of the ones you mentioned
[20:42] <[reed]> phoenix24: that's an interesting bug
[20:43] <[reed]> phoenix24: not seeing it on nightlies
[20:43] <[reed]> hmm
[20:44] <phoenix24> [reed]: I was about to traige that, but was already triaged :(
[20:58] <Ubulette> [reed], remember our ff3 is built with libxul
[20:59] <[reed]> yeah, we use libxul, too
[20:59] <[reed]> just not exactly the same way
[20:59] <[reed]> afaik
[20:59] <Ubulette> i mean, with --with-libxul-sdk
[21:00] <Ubulette> i don't think you do that
[21:02] <Ubulette> http://beuno.com.ar/archives/57
[21:03] <asac> yay ... an atm just ate 700 EUR
[21:04] <Ubulette> lol
[21:04] <asac> i guess you know what mood i have
[21:04] <Ubulette> how could it ate your money, it's supposed to give it to you, not take it from you
[21:05] <asac> yes ... i asked for 1k ... then suddenly 300 k came out ... i took them
[21:05] <asac> next i looked and saw a bunch of 50 EUR bills
[21:05] <asac> i tried to reach for them ... managed to grab a corner, but suddenly the money was pulled back in
[21:05] <asac> and the lid closed
[21:05] <asac> so kind of ETOOMANYBILLS
[21:05] <asac> not funny
[21:06] <Ubulette> aahahahaha (sorry)
[21:06] <[reed]> asac: call your bank?
[21:06] <asac> well ...  i called them ... they say things will be fine
[21:06] <Ubulette> check your account on the web
[21:06] <asac> though i somehow doubt it
[21:06] <[reed]> "they say"
[21:06] <asac> yeah ... but its in the middle of the night and nobody will come
[21:07] <asac> (middle of the night for banks)
[21:08] <Ubulette> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode08:Brainstorming
[21:08] <Ubulette> i wish tb3 and sm2 were --with-libxul-sdk ready
[21:15]  * phoenix24 CVS is driving me nuts!
[21:16] <Ubulette> IE 8b1 gets 17/100 on acid3, ff3 b4 gets 64
[21:17] <[reed]> 64?
[21:18] <[reed]> should be 66-68
[21:18] <Ubulette> maybe, 64 was b3 or something
[21:18] <Ubulette> The server at acid3.acidtests.org is taking too long to respond.
[21:26] <Ubulette> when built with --with-libxul-sdk, ff3 doesn't install .idl/.h on make install
[21:27] <Ubulette> ie the browser part of the sdk
[21:29] <Ubulette> [reed], is that something known ? ^^
[21:30] <[reed]> I haven't seen a bug on that
[21:30] <[reed]> check first
[21:30] <[reed]> and then file one
[21:30] <Ubulette> kind of tricky to check
[21:31] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 374278
[21:31] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 374278 in Build Config "xpidl can't find IDL files for java when building firefox with --with-libxul-sdk" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374278
[21:32] <Ubulette> nope
[21:32] <Ubulette> can't find anything
[21:33] <Ubulette> [reed], what component is that ?
[21:34] <[reed]> Core :: Build Config ?
[21:34] <[reed]> cc benjamin
[21:36] <Ubulette> ok
[21:44] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 421168
[21:44] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 421168 in Build Config "firefox using --with-libxul-sdk doesn't install .idl/.h on make install" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421168
[21:55] <armin76> yuck, java
[21:56] <Ubulette> Benjamin answered "it's by design"
[21:58] <asac> Ubulette: can you prod me about that again tomorrow or so
[21:58] <Ubulette> about what ?
[21:58] <asac> i have to ask him something i cannot phrase right now
[21:58] <asac> missing idl+.h
[21:58] <Ubulette> oh
[21:58] <Ubulette> ok
[21:58] <Ubulette> it's WONTFIX now
[21:59] <asac> yeah ... but thats bullshit imo
[21:59] <Ubulette> yep, me too
[21:59] <Ubulette> do we know of anything needing those idls ?
[22:00] <asac> not sure ... maybe all are indeed "private"
[22:01] <asac> but i would guess that there are idls that extensions might want to interface wit
[22:01] <asac> h
[22:03] <Ubulette> bug 198049
[22:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198049 in firefox-3.0 "firefox-3.0-dev contains only documentation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198049
[22:03] <Ubulette> that's what I was trying to fix
[22:58] <asac> Ubulette: RMs poked at me to reduce the documentation redundancy by linking to equal files in depending packages
[22:59] <asac> thinks like copyright is duplicated everywhere
[22:59] <Ubulette> yep
[23:00] <asac> if you look at /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk:243
[23:00] <asac> you see that cdbs already tries to do that, but it appears it doesn't work for indirect depends nor depends build in the same run
[23:01] <asac> background: as usual CD space is scarce and we are currently far beyond what would fit onto it ;)
[23:01] <Ubulette> it's 29k * n, still not very huge
[23:02] <asac> well
[23:02] <asac> every K counts ;)
[23:02] <asac> MPL is probably duped as well?
[23:03] <asac> oh and we have this bogus README dir in doc as well
[23:03] <asac> thats definitly a stupidity thing of debhelper i would guess
[23:03] <asac> $ find /usr/share/doc/firefox/README/
[23:03] <asac> /usr/share/doc/firefox/README/
[23:03] <asac> /usr/share/doc/firefox/README/mozilla
[23:03] <asac> /usr/share/doc/firefox/README/mozilla/README.build
[23:04] <asac> hehe README.build is just 87 bytes ;)
[23:04] <asac> i see that MPL == copyright ... so just ignore that comment
[23:04] <Ubulette> yes, i know that. it wanted to fix that since the beginning but i never got the chance
[23:05] <Ubulette> you patched cdbs in ff2
[23:05] <Ubulette> just to add -type f or something like that
[23:05] <Ubulette> we don't care about README.build anyway
[23:07] <Ubulette> hm, tb3 with system xul is failing earlier than i expected
[23:07] <asac> why do you try ;)
[23:07] <asac> i mean they don't even try to fix that atm afaik
[23:08] <asac> like seamonkey devs: first features; second something; last: libxul :)
[23:09] <asac> Ubulette: look at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/network-manager/0.6.5-0ubuntu7
[23:10] <asac> apparently launchpad _can_ parse changelog contributors (we should include the mail)
[23:10] <asac> its just a matter of associating tht in +packages ... or maybe +contributions
[23:10] <asac> (the latter doesn't exist yet)
[23:11] <asac> anyway, i guess dch should be fixed to copy the email too
[23:11] <asac> unfortunately its perl ;)
[23:12] <asac> /usr/bin/dch ... is it line 982 where this needs to be fixed?
[23:13] <asac> oh its 1086 i guess
[23:14] <asac> Ubulette: like http://paste.ubuntu.com/5331/ ??
[23:15] <Ubulette> not sure $EMAIL is the right one
[23:15] <Ubulette> but the syntax is correct
[23:15] <asac> hmm ... wasn't the right place
[23:15] <asac> nothing changed if i run dch -r
[23:17] <asac> i changed name and email and still got http://paste.ubuntu.com/5333/
[23:18] <Ubulette> i'll have a look later, i'm on something else right now
[23:18] <asac> ha 1038 :)
[23:18] <asac> $lastmultimaint :)
[23:19] <asac> unfort lastmaintemail is not parsed
[23:23] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5336/
[23:23] <asac> thats the patch i gues
[23:24] <asac> no idea why i added $lastmaintemail to my (...) at the top
[23:25] <asac> the regexp most likely is stupid as well ;)
[23:27] <Ubulette> use /^ --\s+(.*?)\s+<(.*?)>/ instead
[23:33] <Ubulette> bug 139543
[23:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139543 in firefox "firefox .deb overwrites firefox.cfg which stores systemwide settings such as startpage, proxy" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139543
[23:33] <Ubulette> our /etc/ff3 stuff is totally broken
[23:38] <Ubulette> asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-devscripts/  was parsed correctly
[23:40] <Ubulette> asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/mozilla-devscripts  how come you have 2500 pt and I only have 24 ??? wtf?


[06:31] <dpm> good morning
[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[07:32] <ajmitch> dholbach: hi, that app brancher looks useful
[07:33] <dholbach> nice :)
[07:34]  * ajmitch had mostly just done manual imports into branches
[07:36] <dholbach> bug 1011532 is something I need to deal with somehow
[07:36] <dholbach> 1010830 might be good to get sorted out too, before putting the importer into cron
[07:40] <ajmitch> in a few cases the submitter has a branch already
[07:40] <ajmitch> it'd be cool to parse the initial comment & look for a lp: ;)
[07:50] <dholbach> ajmitch, can you file a bug about that?
[08:08] <ajmitch> ok
[08:14] <dholbach> thanks
[08:16] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[12:31] <dholbach> can somebody help me make a decision on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/apps-brancher/+bug/1012098?
[14:45] <dpm> cielak, did you resubmit harmonyseq to myapps
[14:45] <dpm> ?
[14:47] <cielak> dpm: I have never thought I need to, developers who wanted to have their app copied from oneiric to precise were asked just to drop an e-mail
[14:48] <dpm> cielak, yeah, I'd recommend to resubmit, the apps are not copied automatically
[14:51] <cielak> dpm: I have asked ajmitch recently about the status of harmonyseq, and I had an impression that there is a really good progress - do I need to resubmit it even though?
[15:00] <dpm> cielak, afaik, it's up to the app developers to resubmit their apps for a new distro series. I'm mentioning it because I had a look through the queue and say yours as 'Published' on https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/arb/?state=Published rather than on 'Pending Review' (https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/arb/) - of course, I'm just an outside observer, so if ajmitch is doing the review, he's got the final say and knows what he's talking about :)
[15:00] <dpm> so you might want to double check with him
[15:02] <cielak> dpm: right, it seems it will indeed be the best to get in touch with him - yet thanks for making me aware of this potential issue :)
[15:03] <dpm> np ;-)
[15:44] <dholbach> can somebody please have a look at lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/vm-lens and see if I made the changes correctly?
[15:44] <dholbach> (r2-5)
[16:44] <dholbach> ajmitch, wendar, highvoltage: ^
[17:17]  * highvoltage is checking it out now..
[17:18] <highvoltage> dholbach: I'm a bit foggy on this, are unity lenses supposed to be in usr/bin/? (there's a usr/bin/unity-lens-vm in there)
[17:19] <highvoltage> (well, in the resulting binary package, at least)
[17:19] <dholbach> I compared it with the askubuntu package and that's how I came up with it
[17:19] <highvoltage> ok
[17:21] <highvoltage> the copyright file (and other related files) are now allowed to go into the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ directory, which we encourage now, but it's probably not strictly necessary
[17:21] <dholbach> that'll make the package easier to review :)
[17:23] <highvoltage> dholbach: looks good to me
[17:24] <dholbach> highvoltage, also the usr/bin/ thing?
[17:28] <highvoltage> dholbach: well, I'm a bit fuzzy on that, I know there's *an* exception for unity lenses, just not sure which it is, but I guess that's it. but if ajmitch/wendar/stgraber can confirm then it will get a +1 from me
[17:28] <highvoltage> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pnn9e/
[17:28] <highvoltage> I hate it when people do that
[17:30] <stgraber> highvoltage, dholbach: everything that can should go in /opt, exceptions are the dbus service file, the lens/scopes files and the usual /usr/share/doc/<package name>/ stuff
[17:30] <stgraber> anything outside of /opt needs to be properly namespaced using the package name to avoid any potential conflict
[17:30] <dholbach> stgraber, highvoltage: I just updated the branch - is it better now?
[17:30] <stgraber> (/usr/share/doc/<package name>/ does it by design, the others should use <package name>_ as filenames, or similar)
[17:31] <stgraber> dholbach: I'll let highvoltage look at it, I'm quite busy this week and need to get some lunch if I want to still be somewhat productive this afternoon
[17:32] <dholbach> stgraber, bon appetit
[17:33] <highvoltage> dholbach: that looks perfect
[17:33] <highvoltage> dholbach: (although I haven't tested the actual lens)
[17:33] <dholbach> perfect
[17:34] <dholbach> how would I follow up in the discussion with the updated app?
[17:38] <dholbach> highvoltage, ^
[17:39] <highvoltage> dholbach: the right place for that is probably https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/807/
[17:40] <dholbach> ok
[17:40]  * highvoltage adds link to bzr branch to there
[17:40] <dholbach> on the feedback page?
[17:40] <highvoltage> yep
[17:41] <highvoltage> oh I see I can't just add comments...
[17:42] <highvoltage> dholbach: I guess you're asking more for the submitter than yourself?
[17:42] <highvoltage> I'll put it to vote on the arb list, I think you're on there, at least
[17:43] <dholbach> yes, I'm on there - it just wasn't clear to me where discussion happens
[17:43] <dholbach> and where I'd say "here's a branch, can somebody double check?"
[17:48] <asomething> comments on the feedback page don't send any email to the list. I think there's a bug for that somewhere
[17:49] <dholbach> ah yes
[18:03] <highvoltage> dholbach: I send an email to the list putting it to a vote
[18:03] <highvoltage> s/send/sent/g
[18:04] <dholbach> highvoltage, you're a hero
[18:05] <dholbach> it was nice to see that it wasn't actually that hard with a good example to look at
[20:35] <ajmitch> highvoltage: did you see a file in /usr/bin in the AU lens?
[20:53] <highvoltage> ajmitch: dholbach fixed it in the last revision
[20:54] <ajmitch> in the au lens or the vm lens?
[20:55] <highvoltage> oops, vm lens
[20:55] <highvoltage> ajmitch: au lens?
[20:59] <ajmitch> highvoltage: askubuntu lens, sorry
[20:59] <ajmitch> for some reason my laptop just locked up...
[20:59] <ajmitch> or at least X did, I can still ssh in
[21:03]  * ajmitch doesn't like the look of those errors in syslog


[00:47] <ScottK> yofel: Yes.  Yes you do.  Granted.
[02:01] <em> Here's a little ditty bout jackyalcine... An all american kid who was detached from the screen. Oh yeah...
[02:02] <jalcine> Lol, I'm actually thinking about nabbing me a server so I could have a 'central' screen, so to speak.
[02:03] <em> jalcine: just to be sure, you know the melody im singing that too right?
[02:04]  * jalcine shakes head no.
[02:08] <em> jalcine: listen to this while reading my alternative lyrics -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feeHTm-dYGg
[02:12] <em> little ditty about jacky alcine...  When you see him bouncin you will know where you are.. Oh yeah... Oh yeahhhhh they say chat goes on.... Long after the day that jacky's connection was gone.. Oh yeah...
[02:12] <jalcine> em: could you help me on one tiny thing? :)
[02:12] <jalcine> http://www.jackyalcine.co.cc/blog/2012/03/speak-to-me-willis-speechcontrol-and-linux/
[02:15] <dantti> apachelogger: ping
[08:35] <Riddell> DWonderly: £10 for good reference!  :)
[08:35] <Riddell> DWonderly: what's your hope, to do docs work?
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[16:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[16:11] <apachelogger> dantti: ping
[16:11] <apachelogger> dantti: or pong ^^
[16:12] <dantti> apachelogger: lol, I have changed p-m to be low latency for printers, I was wondering if you could help me find the DBus api that cups had, but I find out be using dbus monitor...
[16:13] <dantti> apachelogger: the only problem is that the jobs when changed cups does not emit any signal
[16:13] <dantti> but it's cool that I don't have to keep probing cups for printers at least...
[16:14] <apachelogger> dantti: also there is qdbusviewer
[16:14] <apachelogger> and qdbus
[16:15] <dantti> but it CUPS DBus api sucks, it register the interface emit the signal and bye...
[16:15] <dantti> so qdbusviewer can't see it
[16:36] <ronnoc> Riddell: Ping
[18:43] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdetoys] Philip Muškovac * 108 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[19:07] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdewebdev] Philip Muškovac * 112 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[19:13] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/blinken] Philip Muškovac * 23 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[19:28]  * JontheEchidna deletes 3.3 GiB of old kernels
[19:55] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/cantor] Philip Muškovac * 22 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[20:12] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kalgebra] Philip Muškovac * 32 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[20:48] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/gwenview] Philip Muškovac * 40 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[20:51] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kalzium] Philip Muškovac * 32 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[20:58] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kamera] Philip Muškovac * 25 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[21:04] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kanagram] Philip Muškovac * 23 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[21:17] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kbruch] Philip Muškovac * 26 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[21:22] <ronnoc> .031 KDE Telepathy tarballs are released
[21:22] <Riddell> kubotu where's your release to needs-packaging interface?
[21:22] <Riddell> ronnoc: pong?
[21:23] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kcolorchooser] Philip Muškovac * 20 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[21:23] <ronnoc> Riddell: Good evening. I found out today that PMC wwnt to beta. Also, I bugged the only known PPA maintainer for PMC and he released it already. Going to test as soon as coffee is brewed :)
[21:23] <ronnoc> *went
[21:24] <ronnoc> Riddell: Thought you might like the news
[21:28] <BluesKaj> ronnoc,  what's PMC ?
[21:30] <Riddell> ronnoc: what is PMC?
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> Plasma Media Center
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> or Private Military Corporation
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> but I think the former makes more sense here ;-)
[21:31] <ronnoc> lol. yea the former :p
[21:31] <ronnoc> https://launchpad.net/~nuovodna/+archive/nuovodna-stuff
[21:33] <BluesKaj> :)
[21:34] <ronnoc> Plasma Media Center...Sorry was away making coffee :)
[21:34] <BluesKaj> what doe the PMC consist of ?
[21:34] <BluesKaj> does
[21:35] <BluesKaj> media players etc ?
[21:35] <ronnoc> Yepp. Like Xubuntu or XMBC. Basically KDE's own media front-end
[21:35] <ronnoc> http://www.sinny.in/
[21:36] <Riddell> ronnoc: oh awesome, is that making any progress then?
[21:36] <ronnoc> Riddell: Lots apparently! Refer to the link above :)
[21:36] <Riddell> we should get that into ~kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[21:37] <ronnoc> They felt confident enough about it to put it into Beta. So I'd agree. But again, I'm going to test tonight.
[21:37] <Riddell> yeah let me know how well it really works
[21:37] <ronnoc> If anyone wants to test it, keep in mind it requires plasma-active from plasma mobile ppa
[21:38] <Riddell> it didn't work at all last I tried but if ksinny has been working on that could well have changed
[21:40] <ronnoc> Riddell: I'll let you know wshortly
[21:40] <ronnoc> *shortly
[21:40] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer] Philip Muškovac * 30 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[21:41] <BluesKaj> ronnoc,  Riddell this looks promising .I use this pc as our HT media-server. I'm going to investigate this further , for sure.
[21:42] <Riddell> it would be a nice feature for kubuntu and KDE generally, I'd love to get a media centre before unity does :)
[21:42] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: We've been waiting a long time for this since Aseigo announced it 3 years or so ago :)
[21:43] <ronnoc> Riddell: Did Ubuntu TV fizzle already?
[21:43] <BluesKaj> ronnoc,  ok what about soundservers etc , are we still tied to pulseaudio and phonon
[21:44] <BluesKaj> ?
[21:44] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: I'm not sure TBH
[21:44] <ronnoc> You could ask over on #plasma-mediacenter :)
[21:45] <Riddell> ronnoc: I believe it's still in development but they're focusing on the android stuff, there were demos at fosdem, ask tsdgeos when he's around
[21:46] <Riddell> yes we use alsa <- pulseaudio <- phonon <- application
[21:46] <BluesKaj> ok ,np ..I ran xbmc for a while but it overwhelms one's options ...to many menu layers for my taste , so i;ve ben sticking with vlc since it plays mostly everything
[21:47] <BluesKaj> so pc's are slowly falling by the wayside ...all the real edgy stuff is being dev'd for phones now
[21:47] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: The real usage cases for XBMC, Xubuntu, and PMC are for "10' interfaces" usually. Meaning using a remote and a bigger display.
[21:48] <ronnoc> *Mythbuntu - NOT Xubuntu x.x
[21:48] <BluesKaj> ronnoc,  yup, this pc is connected to pour plasma TV and I'm in my easy chair with wireless KB and mouse
[21:49] <BluesKaj> our
[21:49] <BluesKaj> halfway there :)
[21:49] <ronnoc> very nice!
[21:50]  * ronnoc goes to dig out the missing IR receiver and installs LIRC for testing *hopefully* testing
[21:51] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegraphics-thumbnailers] Philip Muškovac * 23 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[21:52] <BluesKaj> well, I'm retired and a bit sedentary , so it fits my daily life , mostly
[21:54] <BluesKaj> anyway looking forward to trying pmc ..a bit reluctant atm tho , ronnoc , but I'll keep my eye on it
[21:55] <BluesKaj> ok ...bbl , dinner
[21:59] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kgamma] Philip Muškovac * 20 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[22:12] <Riddell> afiestas: awesome wine!
[22:17] <d_ed_> FYI, KDE Telepathy 0.3.1 is out and public. We're not making an announcement today in case people think it's just an Aprils fools.
[22:17] <d_ed_> packaging should be identical to 0.3.0
[22:18] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kgeography] Philip Muškovac * 22 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[22:19] <Riddell> d_ed_: same week as SC 4.8.2,  bit of a clash!
[22:20] <d_ed_> they're just copying us.
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> I'm planning a Muon release today, too :P
[22:26] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/khangman] Philip Muškovac * 21 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[22:27] <Riddell> it's all go
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> We might wanna nab http://commits.kde.org/kdelibs/61e27b31f8f4b10e1378ba700345acecc3b6c9c5 for bug 948973
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I'll do that whilst waiting for kde mirrors to propogate my tars
[22:40] <snele> on upgrading from oneiric to precise, updater wants to install brasero!?? is this normal? http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2B/ix/2pymzn6m/snapshot39.png
[22:43] <d_ed_> snele: it's probably just upgrading it?
[22:43] <d_ed_> snele: run "apt-cache policy brasero" from a command line, and pastebinit somewhere.
[22:43] <d_ed_> btw, nice desktop
[22:44] <snele> d_ed_: thanks :)
[22:44] <snele> http://paste.kde.org/450278/
[22:46] <d_ed_> whoa. That is weird then.
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> could it be because you're using the gtk updater?
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> I'd know the padding on GTK buttons anywhere. :P
[22:46] <snele> i ran "kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade"
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> weird
[22:48] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kig] Philip Muškovac * 24 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[22:51] <d_ed_> I guess I could run rdpends now, and someone could run it on precise - then we take the difference.. and you'll have one of those apps.
[22:53] <snele> JontheEchidna: when there are system updates, notification icon appears in systray. but if i use apt-get to install updates, update notification don't dissapear from systray
[22:53] <snele> can you make it to dissapear? :)
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> maybe
[22:54] <snele> i think kpackagekit did that
[23:00] <CIA-42> [kdelibs] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog patches/series) Add kubuntu_fix_nepomuk_utils_crash.diff cherry-pick from KDE's 4.8 branch.


[05:30] <Kilos> morning everyone
[05:30] <Kilos> and inetpro
[06:50] <magespawn> good morning Kilos
[08:41] <andrewlsd> Morning peeps
[08:43]  * andrewlsd lurks via Kiwi web IRC as andrewlsd_2
[11:13] <Callum_> afternoon!
[18:23] <inetpro> good evening
[18:24] <Callum_> sup :)
[18:28] <the_calhax> anyone know anything about macs?
[18:41] <MaNI> sure, do you have something more specific you want to ask?
[18:43] <the_calhax> MaNI, how can I reinstall the OS from a flash drive? I get this error when I use the recovery partition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqBOZWeJaDM&t=170s
[18:49] <MaNI> easiest is of course if you have two macs, but if you need to do it from linux IIRC you can just convert the dmg to an iso (dmg2img -v -i /path/to/image_file.dmg -o /path/to/image_file.iso)  and then use DD to write it to the flash drive (sudo dd if=/path/to/image_file.iso of=/dev/sdx)


[00:22] <imbrandon> hrm do i need to recompile the kernel for a new fs driver or just get the headers ?
[00:22] <crimsun> neither.  The headers are installed by default.
[00:23] <crimsun> (also presuming you've just grabbed source and are compiling modules)
[00:23] <imbrandon> hrm well no this is a not included module , expirmental fatx fs
[00:25] <imbrandon> i've done _very_ little kernel hacking specialy the "ubuntu way" so i'm kinda winging it here
[00:25] <crimsun> depending on the invasiveness, you may well need to patch the source
[00:26] <imbrandon> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41773/
[00:27] <imbrandon> here is what i have
[00:28] <imbrandon> i was hoping to just compile it with the headers and modprobe it, but something is telling me it wont be that simple
[00:29] <imbrandon> ( btw this patch was ripped from a fedora6 kernel svn )
[00:30] <crimsun> ok, on a slow connection
[00:31] <imbrandon> np, i'm on a slow computer ( 200mhz ) so this might take a while :)
[00:33] <imbrandon> i'm reading through the customcompile wiki now
[00:34] <crimsun> right, that's not going to just drop in easily
[00:38] <imbrandon> hrm the wiki says grab apt-get source linux-source , which grabs the meta package and no source tar only a debian/ dir with the various configs
[00:38] <crimsun> you want `apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)`
[00:39] <crimsun> (linux-source's source package is linux-meta, not linux-source-2.6.22)
[00:40] <imbrandon> ahh darn wiki
[00:53] <imbrandon> crimsun, after i do that can i just debuild it ?
[00:54] <imbrandon> what about lrm and the other meta stuff
[00:55] <crimsun> imbrandon: you can use the packaging infrastructure, yes.  Just pull source for l-u-m/l-r-m/l-b-m and do the fun.
[00:56] <imbrandon> erm but if the configs are in the linux-meta but the source is in linux-image-*
[00:56] <imbrandon> i'm a bit confused
[00:57] <imbrandon> i have both apt-get sourced in diffrent dirs, and the patch seemed to apply to the -image- fine
[00:57] <imbrandon> but i'm trying to build it the exact ubuntu way ( sa as to redistribute or upload ot a ppa maybe )
[01:01] <imbrandon> so i'm assuming i need to debuild (-us -uc) the linux-image then install it then rebuild the meta ?
[01:02] <zul> imbrandon: what are you on about? :)
[01:03] <imbrandon> haha zul i'm trying to do some leg work for you
[01:03] <imbrandon> i got a patch, but i'm clueless how to build a proper ubuntu kernel, only the old vanilla way
[01:04] <zul> oh thanks :)
[01:04] <zul> well i could create a debdiff for you
[01:04] <imbrandon> zul did you see the fatx.img gave you
[01:04] <zul> imbrandon: nope thats from work puter, im at home now
[01:05] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/fatx_test.img.gz
[01:05] <imbrandon> its 260mb uncompressed, its a streight dd of one of my xbox memory cards
[01:05] <imbrandon> so it might have some game saves on it
[01:05] <imbrandon> infact i know it does
[01:06] <crimsun> imbrandon: are you using wiki/KernelCustomBuild?
[01:06] <imbrandon> crimsun, i was, seems some steps are missing
[01:06] <zul> downloading now
[01:07] <imbrandon> zul here is the patch, you might have to cherry pick just the fatx fs though and watch out for the included config , that will make the kernel only boot on a xbox
[01:07] <imbrandon> http://www.not404.com/system/files/<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2
[01:08] <imbrandon> shouldent be hard to just grab the fs/ though out of that i assume
[01:08] <zul> imbrandonL is it the whole thing? or just the patch?
[01:08] <imbrandon> its a pretty small patch
[01:08] <imbrandon> just the patch
[01:09] <imbrandon> its actualy a patch to include fatx AND make the kernel boot on an xbox if #ifdef X86_XBOX = y , i was looking to just grab the FS
[01:09] <imbrandon> if possible
[01:09] <imbrandon> ( the other stuff is some pci patches
[01:09] <imbrandon> )
[01:09] <zul> so you just want the fatx stuff?
[01:09] <imbrandon> yup
[01:10] <zul> ok gimme a bit
[01:10] <imbrandon> basicly so ubuntu can read fatx hdd's and memory cards ( usb devices ) ootb
[01:11] <imbrandon> this is actualy being looked at upstream on lkml but i'm trying to preempt it a bit
[01:11] <zul> ill make a patch for lum-2.6.22
[03:11] <Nafallo> anyone here?
[03:11] <Nafallo> regarding usbsuspend
[03:18] <mjg59> Which aspect of it?
[04:52] <imbrandon> anyone know why i would get this .... debian/scripts/misc/oldconfig: line 66: /home/brandon/files/xbox/kernel/ubuntu-image/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/scripts/misc/splitconfig.pl: Permission denied
[04:52] <imbrandon> when running the updateconfigs
[04:53] <imbrandon> *debian/rules updateconfigs
[04:55] <imbrandon> ( and yea i ran it with sudo fwiw )
[05:01] <imbrandon> ahh it wasent +x , doh
[07:55] <kraut> moin
[08:53] <thr1lljockey> is there something special i need to do somewhere to boot a custom kernel *without* a ramfs/initrd?
[08:53] <nevion_> afaik you just put it in its own section in grub without the initrd option
[08:53] <nevion_> and it should boot fine
[08:54] <n2diy_> thrilljockey owes me a beer.  ?
[08:55] <nevion_> whatever happened with this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/133636
[08:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133636 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy] hdaps module does not load on Thinkpad T61P" [Low,New]
[08:55] <nevion_> it was so close to being fixed... and then it just stopped..
[08:56] <thr1lljockey> i get a panic at root device mount
[08:57] <nevion_> make sure you had your needed fs modules compiled in
[08:57] <thr1lljockey> cannot open root device "UUID=blahblah"
[08:57] <nevion_> as well as any other thing you need to read off the hd
[08:57] <nevion_> consider starting with ubuntu's configuration and slowly triming it down to yours
[08:58] <thr1lljockey> everything necessary is compiled-in (aside from uuid support, evidently)
[08:58] <Mithrandir> the kernel doesn't do UUID mounting natively.
[08:58] <Mithrandir> so you need to pass root=/dev/whatever
[08:58] <Mithrandir> but why do you want to avoid initramfs?
[08:58] <thr1lljockey> working on an embedded install
[08:59] <thr1lljockey> and i guess my latent instincts for defiance beg the question, 'why do i need one?'
[08:59] <thr1lljockey> hehe
[09:01] <nevion_> anyone know what the status is with x86_64 getting config_no_hz set?  From what I can see, its been available and functional for a while
[09:01] <Mithrandir> because it makes it easier to rescue a broken system, it adds uuid support, etc.
[09:02] <thr1lljockey> with the ability to boot from a livecd, for example, i'm not convinced i need a 'recovery-boot' option
[09:02] <thr1lljockey> (personally, of course...)
[09:02] <nevion_> keeps you from having to compile kernel n^2 times
[09:02] <nevion_> so you can find out what modules you need to have loaded at boot time easier
[09:03] <nevion_> so its not needed... but adds convenience in that sense
[09:03] <thr1lljockey> i know there's a wealth of reasons from a distribution standpoint; i'm not trying to be antagonistic or anything
[09:03] <thr1lljockey> i just prefer not to use them myself is all
[09:04] <thr1lljockey> and thanks for the tip about uuid being handled in the initrd, i fixed menu.lst and i'm up and running now
[09:04] <Mithrandir> not initrd.  initramfs.
[09:04] <Mithrandir> Ubuntu hasn't used initrds since 5.10
[09:05] <nevion_> conceptually the same, but different details, right?
[09:05] <thr1lljockey> sorry, old habit
[09:06] <Mithrandir> quite different.  tmpfs instead of ramfs, no pivot_root, for instance.
[09:06] <thr1lljockey> initramfs is faster and causes less litter in kernelspace, isn't it?
[09:06] <Mithrandir> much less stuff done in kernelspace.
[09:06] <nevion_> damn though, I'm having a hell of a time finding any info about x86_64 and tickless/dynticks/config_no_hz
[09:08] <thr1lljockey> i thought tickless systems were basically broken until .24?
[09:09] <nevion_> I read some blurb about that in july from linus... but ingo molnar's had it working since that time pretty much
[09:09] <thr1lljockey> btw n2diy_ yes i owe you a beer
[09:09] <nevion_> I think redhat's picked it up by now, not too sure
[09:09] <thr1lljockey> there's likely a backport
[09:09] <nevion_> like I said, I've had a hell of a time getting details
[09:12] <n2diy_> thrilljockey Cool, GL!
[09:15] <maks_> thr1lljockey: initramfs get control much early, you can costumize them much better if you wana checkout latest intramfs-tools git clone git://git.debian.org/git/kernel/initramfs-tools.git but pay attention it does not yet have the dpkg trigger set as dpkg has not merged that feature
[09:19] <thr1lljockey> thanks! i'm willing to be convinced that initramfs is not as undesirable as i used to think... i'll look into it
[10:05] <imbrandon> zul_, bro i got fatx working :)
[10:05] <imbrandon> ping me when your round
[10:22] <Whoopie> hi, I've a short question: when compiling a custom kernel, do I need to add the apparmor patch to it?
[10:26] <amitk> Whoopie: why do you say so? Apparmor is in LUM
[10:29] <abogani> Hi All, Someone know and could tell me if Ubuntu Gutsy kernel support "Filesystem Capabilities" ? Thanks in advance!
[10:31] <Whoopie> amitk: yes, but I have built a <IP_ADDRESS> kernel, and I'd like to know if the apparmor module is needed.
[10:31] <Nafallo> Suggestion: Enable USB autosuspend by pressing the U key or adding
[10:31] <Nafallo> usbcore.autosuspend=1 to the kernel command line in the grub config
[10:31] <Nafallo> [    0.000000] Unknown boot option `usbcore.autosuspend=1': ignoring
[10:32] <maks_> Whoopie: if you care about security you'd want to use selinux anyway
[10:37] <Whoopie> maks_: but ubuntu is based on apparmor, isn't it?
[10:37] <Whoopie> and there're some rules for cups.
[10:37] <Mithrandir> Whoopie: there's no requirement to use apparmour with Ubuntu.
[10:39] <Whoopie> Mithrandir: so it's not activated by default? why do we have /etc/apparmor and /etc/apparmor.d ?
[10:41] <Mithrandir> Whoopie: note: requirement.  As in, you can run without it.
[10:43] <amitk> Nafallo: see bug #85488
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85488 in sane-backends "some usb_devices fault if usb_suspend enabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85488
[10:44] <amitk> Nafallo: autosuspend was disabled for all non-hub devices
[10:50] <Nafallo> amitk: so I can't enable it by force?
[10:59] <pina> is it just me or ubuntu's aptitude's TUI is obtuse and IMO, counterintuitive
[11:00] <Mithrandir> you're at least way offtopic for this channel
[11:00] <pina> i know.
[11:00] <Mithrandir> (and I find it quite nice)
[11:00] <pina> just playing around with the kernel andf the pkg manager
[11:00] <pina> my complaints are largely semantic:P
[11:00] <amitk> Nafallo: No you can't. Upstream decided this. http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git;a=commit;h=e818eec4b546562fb1215a8756805eadb0c390c2
[11:01] <Nafallo> amitk: cheers.
[11:09] <Whoopie> Mithrandir: ok, thanks.
[11:25] <amitk> Nafallo: you can actually force it
[11:25] <amitk> I was reading the code incorrectly
[11:25] <Nafallo> oh?
[11:26] <amitk> find /sys -name autosuspend
[11:26] <amitk> type ^^^ command
[11:27] <Nafallo> hehe. so /etc/sysctl.conf rather then /boot/grub/menu.lst then? ;-)
[11:29] <amitk> Nafallo: umm.. no. /etc/sysctl.conf can only address runtime parameters in /proc/sys
[11:29] <Nafallo> ah right... so /etc/rc.local?
[11:29] <amitk> yeah
[11:33] <Nafallo> oki, added. lets see if it blows my computer up or not :-)
[11:43] <thr1lljockey> i think this is the best channel to ask in... do the process accounting tools in the "acct" package support v3 format?
[11:51] <Kano> hi
[11:52] <Kano> how about adding
[11:52] <Kano> http://people.redhat.com/heinzm/sw/dm/dm-raid45/dm-raid45-<IP_ADDRESS>-20070724.patch.bz2
[11:52] <Kano> it has been reported serveral times in your bug tracking system, just was nerver fixed
[11:53] <Kano> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/97655
[11:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97655 in linux-source-2.6.20 "dmraid45 target please" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[11:54] <Kano> patch applies cleanly, adds one module, which definitely works
[11:55] <Kano> if someones does not get raid 5 working it is an issue with dmraid package, which needs to load the additional module
[11:56] <Kano> the needed changes are mentioned in the bug report
[11:57] <Kano> someone needed an additional sleep before dmraid -ay however
[12:13] <amitk> Kano: could you mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with the request. IRC requests might get lost
[12:13] <Kano> ok
[12:19] <Kano> sent
[13:15] <abogani> Nobody know if Ubuntu kernel support "Filesystem Capabilities"
[13:15] <abogani> ?
[13:18] <cofeineSunshine_> fuse?
[13:19] <abogani> cofeineSunshine_: No File Posix Capabilities (http://www.friedhoff.org/fscaps.html)
[13:19] <cofeineSunshine_> duno
[13:21] <zul> abogani: IT MIGHT
[13:24] <abogani> zul: Ok, Sorry. for bother
[13:26] <zul> abogani: sorry caps was on
[13:26] <abogani> zul: :-)
[14:41] <EtienneG> just curious: as CFS was introduced in 2.6.23 (IIRC), we do not have it in gutsy, right ?
[14:42] <zul> correct because we use 2.6.22
[14:48] <abogani> EtienneG: RT have CFS
[14:48] <EtienneG> abogani, zul, thanks for the insight guys
[15:08] <surface> i have facing a problem, when i log off from desktop to kdm ( using kubunu ), monitor screen turns black, all keyboard lost function, is it a kernel issues?
[15:08] <Angelus> hello guys
[15:08] <Angelus> i want to report this issue about the ubuntu kernel
[15:10] <Angelus> im using the amd64 arch, the vesafb module is not compiled in ubuntu's kernel, and the booupsplash is enabled. this will result in the monitor turning off till the login sscreen apears .or a blank picture.. on some cards. many people are expiriencing this issue. the only fix i could find is compiling you're own kernll with the vesafb enabled. please fix it.
[15:11] <EtienneG> Angelus, I have heard about that
[15:12] <EtienneG> have a bug been filed in Launchpad ?
[15:12] <Angelus> EtienneG:  i filled a bug, and the fix too
[15:12] <EtienneG> Angelus, bug # ?  I am interested in subscribing
[15:12] <Angelus> but i reported it here because, newusers sometimes will find it hard tocompile there own kernel
[15:13] <Angelus> and its the only posible way to fix it
[15:13] <Angelus> EtienneG: this is the fix i wrote. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/156225
[15:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156225 in kubuntu-default-settings "Fix For the bootup splash on Gutsy." [Undecided,New]
[15:14] <EtienneG> Angelus, thanks, not a dev myself so i cannto help further but I will subscribe to the bug and monitor it
[15:14] <Angelus> ok
[15:15] <Angelus> well i hope some devs will read it because its an issue that many people are encountering, and sometimes they don't install kubuntu/ubuntu because when the monitor turns off they just reboot . they don't know that its a bootupsplash issue.
[15:16] <EtienneG> indeed
[15:17] <Angelus> brb , training
[18:52] <zul> BenC: ping has imbrandon talked to you about fatx?
[18:56] <imbrandon> zul, not yet, i got that from the lbm changelog
[21:27] <Yannovitch> hello
[21:27] <Yannovitch> is somebody there ??
[21:28] <Yannovitch> i would like to know if you plain to put as soon as possible alsa version 15
[21:28] <Yannovitch> because i ve lot of problems with my soundcard under linux
[21:28] <Yannovitch> and version 15 will solve that
[21:58] <Lutin> hi there


[13:03] <apuimedo> jamespage: gnuoy: I'm getting lxc deployment failures on 1.25.0
[13:03] <apuimedo> any idea?
[13:03] <apuimedo> it worked on one of the machines provided by maas, doesn't work at all in another
[13:03] <apuimedo>         agent-state-info: lxc container cloning failed
[13:04] <apuimedo> (I have to say that it is for precise, I don't know if that matters)
[13:11] <suchvenu> Hi
[13:11] <suchvenu> We have upgraded to latest 1.25 version of juju where unitnames are created in sequential order
[13:12] <suchvenu> Previously we had used the following code in amulet test , unit_manager_0 = d.sentry.unit['charmname/0']
[13:12] <suchvenu> Now using unit_manager_0 = d.sentry['charmname'][0]
[13:12] <suchvenu> which is working right
[13:13] <suchvenu> we had also used juju action in amulet as follows
[13:13] <suchvenu>  uuid = d.action_do('ibm-db2/0', 'download', {"username": config.get('
[13:14] <suchvenu> How do we correct this for the 1.25 version of Juju ?
[13:14] <suchvenu> I mean how to provide the unit name ?
[13:27] <Icey> is it possible to use config values for some settings, unless a specific relation exists? I'd like to support using an external database provided by juju through a relation, OR a config specified one, and I'd like the relation to override the config
[13:31] <apuimedo> cherylj_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1441319
[13:31] <mup> Bug #1441319: intermittent: failed to retrieve the template to clone: template container juju-trusty-lxc-template did not stop <canonical-bootstack> <cisco> <cpec> <deployer> <landscape> <lxc> <oil> <regression> <systemd> <upstart> <juju-core:Triaged by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441319>
[14:10] <apuimedo> cherylj_: added logs
[14:18] <roadmr> heya folks, I think I found a bug with juju not firing the leader-elected hooks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1519994
[14:18] <mup> Bug #1519994: leader-elected hook never fires <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519994>
[14:31] <Prabakaran> Hello Matt,
[15:25] <suchvenu> hi
[15:25] <suchvenu> I want to give a juju action on a unit name as juju action do charmname/0 download
[15:26] <suchvenu> With latest version of Juju the unit names are increasing in sequential order, How can I give the unitname in juju action ?
[15:27] <suchvenu> Can anyone pls help
[15:42] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: what do you mean get the unit name?
[15:42] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: you can just use `juju status ` to find the unit name
[16:56] <suchvenu> Hi MArco
[16:57] <suchvenu> I want to add juju action in amulet test and want to give the unit name there. For each deployment the unit name changes as charmname/0, charmname/1 etc
[16:57] <suchvenu> So i may not know which is the unitname i need to give in juju action in amulet test
[16:58] <suchvenu> before for getting the unit manager in amulet we used to call unit_manager_0 = d.sentry.unit['charmname/0']
[16:58] <Prabakaran> Can anyone help me how to deploy openjdk layer charm available in the link https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-openjdk as i am not able to find the deployment steps in the README.md file.
[16:59] <suchvenu> But now with latest version of Juju 1.25, this gives an error as the unit names keeps increasing as charmname/1, charmname/2 etc
[16:59] <suchvenu> We could get the unit name with this comamnd now : unit_manager_0 = d.sentry['charmname'][0]
[17:00] <suchvenu> Similarly for juju action, how do we do it ?
[17:00] <suchvenu> marcoceppi, are you able to understand my query ?