[12:02] <transgress> the package called kdelibs-dev?
[12:02] <transgress> or kdelibs-devel?
[12:03] <kkathman> I added the marillat and backports respos today, and then went and check for updates to ubuntu and there were like 19... and I remembered about my changes...hmmmm better not install those :)
[12:03] <Kisain> sorry back had to solder my wireless mouse :(
[12:03] <kkathman> that would be bad
[12:03] <_chavo> transgress, not sure of the package name
[12:04] <transgress> wowser... that's a lot of packages to be added
[12:04] <transgress> neato
[12:05] <Kisain> i have a few files on my desktop i can't delete why?
[12:06] <Kisain> it says canot move to trash :?
[12:06] <transgress> Kisain: like what?
[12:06] <Kisain> files that i created form installs
[12:06] <Overdrive> Hi does anybody know how to set up 96dpi fonts in Kubuntu ?
[12:07] <Kisain> any idea how to delete them?
[12:07] <transgress> rm -f?
[12:07] <KaiL> Riddell: the device icons?
[12:07] <Kisain> and the name of the files?
[12:07] <_chavo> Overdrive, add -> Xft.dpi: 96 to ~/.Xresources
[12:07] <projectmayhem> hi guys
[12:07] <transgress> Kisain: yes
[12:07] <Kisain> kk
[12:08] <KaiL> eh
[12:08] <_chavo> you'll have to log out and in for it to take effect
[12:08] <KaiL> Kisain: the device icons?
[12:08] <_chavo> but 100 dpi will look much nicer
[12:08] <projectmayhem> newbie here, was wondering how to install QT libraries (i've been trying to install some programs from kde-apps.org and have had little success because they all get hung up on the check for QT during configuration)
[12:08] <transgress> _chavo: so after i make install then this window decoration should be done then right?>
[12:09] <_chavo> transgress, yes
[12:09] <Kisain> no
[12:09] <_chavo> it will install the windeco and some color schemes
[12:09] <Kisain> it says that gproftpd is a dir
[12:09] <kkathman> projectmayhem: first, have you updated your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:09] <Kisain> but it's on my desktop :/
[12:09] <Overdrive> _chavo: Can I please have a bit more detail as im a noob
[12:09] <projectmayhem> kkathman since when?
[12:09] <projectmayhem> kkathman only changes i have made were the ones  on ubuntuguide
[12:10] <kkathman> projectmayhem: well since you installed...i.e. removed the CD ROM and uncommenting out the other lines
[12:10] <projectmayhem> kkathman yes
[12:10] <kkathman> projectmayhem: sounds like you did
[12:10] <transgress> bleh wtf it errored out on me
[12:10] <_chavo> Overdrive, do this -> echo "Xft.dpi: 100" > ~/.Xresources
[12:10] <kkathman> projectmayhem: ok, well are you familiar with the apt-cache search command?
[12:10] <Overdrive> _chavo: at console ?
[12:10] <projectmayhem> a little, but i'm not exactly sure which packages i'm looking for
[12:11] <_chavo> yes
[12:11] <kkathman> projectmayhem: better to teach you how to fish, than give you dinner....
[12:11] <Kisain> how to remove gproftpd floder(it says it's a dir) from my desktop?
[12:11] <projectmayhem> kkathman amen. any help is much appreciated :)
[12:12] <kkathman> projectmayhem: go to a shell and type apt-cache search qt  (since you are looking for a qt library)
[12:12] <projectmayhem> kkathman just did that, i must be psychic!
[12:12] <projectmayhem> kkathman then just look for the qt-libs package or something to that extent?
[12:12] <kkathman> projectmayhem: that will prolly give you a big list from which to choose....you'll want the library....probably something like libqt or something
[12:13] <kkathman> projectmayhem: yep...sometimes its hit and miss
[12:13] <kkathman> then when you find it...do your sudo apt-get instal <package name>
[12:13] <kkathman> oops   I mean install
[12:13] <projectmayhem> kkathman thx, 'preciate it
[12:14] <kkathman> np
[12:15] <projectmayhem> also the link to the kdelibs-data fix doesn't work in my browser...
[12:15] <_chavo> Overdrive, then run this -> xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources
[12:15] <_chavo> you may have to log ou and then back in for all apps to pick it up though
[12:16] <kkathman> projectmayhem: did you run that script to fix the kdelibs problem?
[12:16] <Overdrive> thanks will try
[12:16] <projectmayhem> kkathman i can't get to the script
[12:16] <kkathman> projectmayhem: this one http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[12:16] <projectmayhem> kkathman the web page doesn't load up so i can't download the script
[12:16] <KaiL> what?
[12:17] <kkathman> huh?
[12:17] <projectmayhem> uh it is a web page to download the script, right?
[12:17] <KaiL> uuhm...
[12:17] <KaiL> that doesn't look good
[12:17] <projectmayhem> says the link couldn't be found
[12:17] <KaiL> can anybody ping 3dots.de? (that's the server)
[12:18] <projectmayhem> "moba.linuxfaqs.de could not be found. Please check the name and try again"
[12:18] <KaiL> projectmayhem: file comes over dcc
[12:18] <projectmayhem> thank you kail
[12:18] <KaiL> this sucks...
[12:19] <KaiL> I can't even get my spam :(
[12:19] <kkathman> projectmayhem: I copied the web site and put it in Firefox and it downloaded for me
[12:19] <Kisain> brb gotta feed my nic fit
[12:19] <transgress> grar why are there no kde themes in the repos?  xfce, icewm, gnome... all there... but no kde
[12:20] <projectmayhem> kkathman very very weird...
[12:20] <kkathman> KaiL: do you know why?
[12:20] <_chavo> transgress, I think baghira is in there
[12:20] <projectmayhem> oh well, now its not giving me permission to run the script, even after i've chown 777d it about a bazillion times....
[12:20] <KaiL> no, just asked the admin
[12:20] <KaiL> looks like the DNS server is off
[12:20] <projectmayhem> nvm nvm
[12:21] <projectmayhem> fixed that
[12:21] <transgress> baghira is the osx looking one right?
[12:21] <_chavo> yep
[12:21] <kkathman> transgress: yes
[12:21] <transgress> ah found them... kdeartwork
[12:21] <kkathman> transgress: did you find where to put the theme file?
[12:21] <Overdrive> _chavo: Seems to have done the trick thanks
[12:21] <_chavo> cool
[12:21] <projectmayhem> thank you so much for the bug fix help guys
[12:22] <KaiL> hmm, there's more off
[12:22] <_chavo> Overdrive, that will work for any windowmanager also.
[12:22] <transgress> kkathman: i think you just put them where ever and use the theme manager
[12:22] <kkathman> ahh ok
[12:23] <ArdieM> my homedir folders are getting doubled when i set "show hidden files" why ?
[12:24] <projectmayhem> hmm... can anyone help me out with this error? "checking for KDE... configure: error:
[12:24] <projectmayhem> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[12:24] <projectmayhem> So, check this please and use another prefix!checking for KDE... configure: error:
[12:24] <projectmayhem> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[12:24] <projectmayhem> So, check this please and use another prefix!"
[12:24] <KaiL> projectmayhem: apt-get install kdelibs-dev
[12:24] <projectmayhem> oooh sorry bout the double-paste...
[12:24] <projectmayhem> kail thanks
[12:24] <transgress> projectmayhem: #flood
[12:25] <projectmayhem> transgress ?
[12:25] <transgress> if you are gonna paste a lot of shit, paste it in #flood
[12:25] <projectmayhem> transgress sorry
[12:25] <_chavo> he said it was an accident
[12:26] <transgress> projectmayhem: it's all good... just letting you know
[12:26] <_chavo> the old CTRL-V button got sticky :)
[12:26] <transgress> _chavo: i wasn't bitching... just letting him know...
[12:27] <projectmayhem> _chavo actually i read the post wrong... hit shift+insert and it skipped down a line so i thought it didn't paste so i hit control+v and turns out both of them work!
[12:30] <projectmayhem> uhh so another dumb question... trying to build my first program here, what do i do after i configure? (i know it has to do with make but my memory is blanking)
[12:32] <_chavo> projectmayhem, make is next
[12:32] <projectmayhem> _chavo thanks. then i ./install?
[12:32] <_chavo> then make install, or sudo make install if you're installing systemwide
[12:33] <projectmayhem> ok thanks
[12:34] <projectmayhem> getting some weird error messages here when i try to make
[12:35] <projectmayhem> something "all recursive" or to that extent...
[12:36] <projectmayhem> all i know is that recursion gave me a big headache in computer-science
[12:36] <projectmayhem> oh well. thanks for the help guys, seeya later
[12:40] <KaiL> 10m cross cable for 2 computers standung ath the same table - is that a waste of cable? ;)
[12:45] <KaiL> hell, I need a second TFT
[12:46] <KaiL> this CRT (the test PC...) filles my half table
[12:46] <ArdieM> is kubuntu eglish only ?
[12:46] <KaiL> no
[12:46] <KaiL> for german: apt-get install kde-i18n-de
[12:48] <KaiL> ...and language-pack-de
[12:48] <KaiL> it *should* get installed on system installation
[01:10] <ArdieM> what do  i had to install to get it in german ?
[01:10] <KaiL> for german: apt-get install kde-i18n-de language-pack-de
[01:12] <whappd|zzz> How can i change the default system character encoding?
[01:20] <dolny> say i installed kubuntu yesterday's night and ... wow
[01:20] <dolny> say great distro!
[01:21] <ArdieM> yes it is
[01:22] <KaiL> in fact
[01:23] <KaiL> ever needed to configure something manually, which also could be done automatically?
[01:23] <KaiL> I needed 2 times on 11 systems (+2 times driver compilation)
[01:23] <dolny> yesterday i removed fedora
[01:23] <dolny> because after compiling the kernel
[01:24] <dolny> with ati driver support
[01:24] <dolny> and ntfs
[01:24] <dolny> the kernel worked, but the new features (ntfs, fglrx) didnt'
[01:24] <dolny> and kde works crappy like hell
[01:24] <dolny> on fc3
[01:26] <KaiL> on u(k)buntu things are called bugs, people never expect to work on any Linux:
[01:26] <KaiL> system being fully configured after installing
[01:27] <dolny> brb
[01:27] <dolny> ill switch from irssi to xchat
[01:28] <dolny> hi again :)
[01:29] <KaiL> welcome back
[01:30] <dolny> hm
[01:32] <dolny> kail
[01:32] <dolny> do you use (k)ubuntu?
[01:32] <KaiL> yes
[01:32] <dolny> i love the thing that you can configure kde to such degree
[01:32] <KaiL> on every PC I can get in my fingers :)
[01:33] <KaiL> the next candidate sits just left to me, it only needs a cdrom/dvdrom
[01:33] <dolny> :)
[01:33] <dolny> its 1:33 in the night here
[01:33] <dolny> doh
[01:34] <KaiL> not that much earlier ~500km west from you *g*
[01:34] <dolny> :)
[01:35] <dolny> listening to Nirvana - Lounge Act on Amarok (wow, what a great audio player!)
[01:35] <dolny> still, my audio cds don't work :/
[01:35] <KaiL> that's not good
[01:35] <KaiL> cd volume to low or so?
[01:36] <KaiL> and has no cd to test around
[01:36] <dolny> i don't know, really, tried many things, but the volume was ok i think
[01:37] <dolny> for what :) ?
[01:38] <KaiL> having some noise here :)
[01:38] <KaiL> bang..
[01:38] <dolny> oops
[01:38] <KaiL> having some noise here :)
[01:38] <dolny> :}
[01:38] <dolny> right now - tom waits
[01:39] <KaiL> TV starts to bacome a very bad solution, after MTV has bought VIVA and they also only send trash-shows and play hiphop...:(
[01:40] <dolny> well
[01:40] <dolny> i was born too late
[01:40] <KaiL> oh, and jamba adverts.... *grr*
[01:40] <dolny> i am a great fan of that seattle boom
[01:40] <dolny> at the beggining of 1990s
[01:40] <dolny> y'know alice in chains and stuff (nirvana, early pearl jam)
[01:41] <KaiL> ah
[01:41] <dolny> and generally, i would prefer to be born earlier
[01:41] <KaiL> but it won't help you to get to the USA in the 80s ;)
[01:41] <dolny> ;]
[01:42] <dolny> i never thought kubuntu would be so cool
[01:43] <dolny> i had problems with mandrake, fc3
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> ack help! heh i tried to morph hoary into breezy and when i did apt-get upgrade its screwed up my locales
[01:43] <dolny> i know they are
[01:43] <dolny> newbie distros
[01:43] <dolny> but still, kubuntu ownz ;)
[01:43] <dolny> more stable
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> ok its deletes some of the locales
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> where do you set the locale variables in kubuntu/debian again?
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> or how
[01:44] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: uhm? didn't do that here
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> i was usin en_GB.UTF-8
[01:44] <KaiL> try dpkg-reconfigure locales
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> and it doesnt exist anymore
[01:45] <KaiL> ..for the first
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> but en_GB does
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[01:45] <KaiL> maybe everything is UTF-8 now?
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> oh goodie
[01:45] <KaiL> ah..
[01:45] <KaiL> apt-get -f install
[01:45] <KaiL> I guess you had fun with kdelibs-data ;)
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> apt-get -f install says i need to use apt-get -f install
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> sweet...
[01:46] <KaiL> and something else?
[01:46] <KaiL> about overwriting...
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> not bout overwriting tho
[01:46] <KaiL> kdelibs-data -> knetworkconf? :)
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_>   libc6-dev: Depends: linux-kernel-headers (>= <IP_ADDRESS>-0) but 2.5.999-test7-bk-17 is to be installed
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_>   libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13) but 2.3.5-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[01:47] <KaiL> oh, something new..
[01:47] <dolny> I had some probs with kdelibs-data, fortunatelly that didn't screw up my whole system, fixed it by looking at ubuntuforums thread
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_> amazin...
[01:47] <dolny> *fortunately
[01:48] <dolny> kdelibs-data issue sucks ;/
[01:48] <loren> hmmh im wondering if anyone's been able to completly integreate a grub bootsplash, mainly erm... not showing "any" code whatsoever
[01:48] <KaiL> dolny: I have writen a script for that fix ;)
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> pfft
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> my systems completely broken
[01:48] <KaiL> not really
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> yeh it is
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> i cant use anything cause my locales are screwed
[01:48] <loren> hm
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> even VLC complains my locales is screwed
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> and wont play movies (why?)
[01:49] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: you have breezy in sources.list?
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> i can still use konversation tho :D
[01:49] <loren> :)
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> kail yeh i just did sed -i s/hoary/breezy/g
[01:49] <loren> what is breezy?
[01:49] <KaiL> strange
[01:49] <KaiL> and did a apt-get update after..?
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> apt-get update
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> apt-get upgrade
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> and then it downloaded loads of packages and bombed out installing libc6
[01:49] <KaiL> trat's strange
[01:50] <KaiL> why doesn't it want to upgrade linux-kernel-headers
[01:50] <KaiL> try "apt-get install linux-kernel-headers"
[01:50] <_ReDRuM_> ignores it
[01:50] <_ReDRuM_> sort of
[01:50] <KaiL> ignores?
[01:50] <_ReDRuM_> just complains of
[01:50] <_ReDRuM_>  libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13) but 2.3.5-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[01:51] <KaiL> dpkg -P libc6-i686
[01:51] <_ReDRuM_> i knew this flashy apt package manager would haunt me
[01:51] <KaiL> ...let's move that out of the way for the first
[01:51] <_ReDRuM_> ubuntu base depends on it so it wont remove (removing libc6 on a running system? you sure? :P)
[01:52] <KaiL> ubuntu-base is only a metapackage, that doesn't matter
[01:52] <_ReDRuM_> k ill kill that then
[01:52] <_ReDRuM_> and hope removing libc6 doesnt blow up my system
[01:52] <KaiL> we can reinstall both later
[01:52] <loren>  is there a difference between bootsplash and grub splash?
[01:52] <_ReDRuM_> yeh but everythin uses libc6 heh
[01:52] <KaiL> it's only the i686 version, so we just call back to i386 :)
[01:52] <_ReDRuM_> ahh
[01:52] <ArdieM> i want a big terminal as my background
[01:53] <ArdieM> how do i do that
[01:53] <ArdieM> *can i do
[01:53] <KaiL> ArdieM: maximize konsole? :)
[01:53] <ArdieM> :9
[01:53] <ArdieM> no i heard that it is possible with eterm
[01:54] <KaiL> man eterm (or Eterm?) might be a place to find out then :p
[01:54] <_ReDRuM_> still wont let me install kernel headers
[01:54] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: what now?
[01:54] <_ReDRuM_> spews loads of erroes about the locale
[01:54] <KaiL> the locales doesn't matter
[01:54] <_ReDRuM_> trying to overwrite `/usr/include/asm/bootsetup.h', which is also in package amd64-libs-dev
[01:54] <_ReDRuM_> wtf
[01:54] <_ReDRuM_> why do ieven have that installed
[01:55] <_ReDRuM_> woo
[01:55] <_ReDRuM_> now its installing
[01:55] <KaiL> removes that amd64 one?
[01:55] <_ReDRuM_> and making the utf 8 locales :)
[01:55] <_ReDRuM_> yeh did
[01:55] <_ReDRuM_> dunno why it was there
[01:55] <_ReDRuM_> i dont have an amd64...
[01:55] <KaiL> that package only exists for i386
[01:56] <KaiL> maybe some cross compiler or so
[01:56] <_ReDRuM_> its back on track now
[01:56] <_ReDRuM_> thanks :D
[01:56] <dolny> damn
[01:56] <KaiL> now reinstall ubuntu-base ;)
[01:56] <dolny> there's no deb installer for azureus ;) ?
[01:56] <_ReDRuM_> did heh
[01:57] <_ReDRuM_> dolny: you dont want it its a whore heh
[01:57] <KaiL> did that reinstall these amd64 stuff?
[01:57] <_ReDRuM_> always makes my x server crash
[01:57] <dolny> sorry for interrupting guys
[01:57] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: no...
[01:57] <KaiL> interesting
[01:57] <KaiL> "This package contains runtime libraries for the amd64 (x86_64) architecture, configured for use on an i386 Debian system running a 64-bit kernel."
[01:57] <_ReDRuM_> probably apt-get build-dep or something did it
[01:58] <KaiL> sounds like for using amd64 functions in a 32bit OS or so
[01:58] <fsapo> hi all, i just installed kde on my ubuntu, but i cant manage how to show the folder on the left side of konqueror.. how do i do it?
[01:58] <_ReDRuM_> i definately dont need it :)
[01:59] <KaiL> fsapo: F9
[01:59] <_ReDRuM_> dolny: think there is an azureus package in multiverse too btw
[01:59] <fsapo> KaiL, lol.. thanx ^^ didnt think that would be that easy
[01:59] <_ReDRuM_> maybe not tho
[02:00] <dolny> redrum: thanks, ill compile it i think
[02:00] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: uhm, no
[02:00] <_ReDRuM_> dolny: dont need to do that just download the bins from the azerues sourceforge page
[02:00] <KaiL> I have every silly package base enabled and don't have it available
[02:00] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: heh
[02:00] <_ReDRuM_> actually maybe u SHOULD compile it since mine screws up the X server with worrying frequency
[02:01] <fsapo> KaiL, and how do i configure it to use double click to open files?
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> theyve almost got the stage with gcj will be able to compile azureus
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> that will be sweet
[02:01] <KaiL> what is azureus btw?
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: bittorrent client written in java
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> probably the best client in terms of features
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> and the worst too cause its written in java
[02:01] <dolny> ok installed it
[02:01] <KaiL> fsapo: uhhm
[02:01] <KaiL> I don't even know, if you can
[02:02] <dolny> azureus works 100000x faster than my windows ABC client
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> dolny: you noticed those bastards screwing up torrents lately with fake pieces so you have to download 3 gig just to get a 300mb file?
[02:02] <fsapo> i dont like opening files with a single click =/
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> abc is horrid too
[02:02] <dolny> say no?
[02:02] <KaiL> dolny: a fast java app? can't be true ;)
[02:02] <dolny> i download only music things
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> bitcomet on windows is the best client i ever used
[02:02] <dolny> concerts etc
[02:02] <dolny> www.onemoresolo.net
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> oh im gettin that downloadin tv series
[02:02] <dolny> and www.dimeadozen.net
[02:03] <dolny> damn!
[02:03] <dolny> NAT error
[02:03] <dolny> while testing 6881
[02:03] <dolny> for azureus
[02:03] <_ReDRuM_> forward the port
[02:03] <dolny> in fedora core you had to allow that port in firewall
[02:03] <dolny> but here:/
[02:03] <dolny> im a linux newbie
[02:03] <dolny> how
[02:03] <dolny> ?
[02:03] <_ReDRuM_> is azureus not on your linux box?
[02:03] <KaiL> you sit behind a router?
[02:03] <dolny> no, not behind a router
[02:04] <_ReDRuM_> is azureus on the same machine the internet connection is on?
[02:04] <dolny> yes
[02:04] <KaiL> that's strange then
[02:04] <_ReDRuM_> you got a firewall running there?
[02:04] <dolny> and kubuntu doesnt have a firewall
[02:04] <_ReDRuM_> iptables? shorewall?
[02:04] <KaiL> as ubuntu doesn't run a firewall
[02:04] <dolny> yes but its set to allow all i mean, its stopped
[02:04] <Diablo-D3> shorewall rocks.
[02:04] <dolny> yeah i have it
[02:05] <_ReDRuM_> you have shorewall? well set that up to allow traffic on port 6881
[02:05] <_ReDRuM_> i cant help u with shorewall i rolled my own firewall script
[02:05] <Diablo-D3> someone is running bt?
[02:05] <dolny> ill remove shorewall for now
[02:05] <_ReDRuM_> dolny is
[02:05] <Diablo-D3> thats easy
[02:05] <Diablo-D3> bt with shorewall is very easy
[02:06] <_ReDRuM_> tell him how to do it with shorewall then :P
[02:06] <dolny> i believe, but im so sleepy, dont have time to play with it now
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> ACCEPT  net       $FW           tcp   6881:6999 -         -         -       -
[02:06] <dolny> ill install it tommorow
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> that goes in the file called 'rules'
[02:06] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> and remember to change net to your internet interface group
[02:07] <_ReDRuM_> *opens his own firewall script*
[02:07] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: I just thought the same
[02:07] <_ReDRuM_> allowed_services="22 6881:6889"
[02:07] <_ReDRuM_> thats how u do it in my script :P
[02:07] <KaiL> "iptables made easy" sounds like a graphical frontend or so.....:)
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> forward_hosts="delta:udp:6667 bravo:tcp:61333"
[02:08] <dolny> ill check that tommorow
[02:08] <dolny> i uninstalled it for today
[02:08] <dolny> but god dammit
[02:08] <dolny> why do i get a nat error
[02:08] <dolny> on a linux without a firewall
[02:08] <KaiL> sucking ISP?
[02:08] <dolny> it worked on fedora core 3
[02:09] <_ReDRuM_> dolny: NAT error = not sure, could either be cause the port is blocked or cause your azureus is reporting dodgy LAN ips
[02:09] <_ReDRuM_> ud have to look for azureus help to answer that
[02:09] <dell500> does anyone here know if SHN format (and FLAC and OGG) are supported in K3B to burn to an audio cd??
[02:10] <KaiL> what is SHN?
[02:10] <fsapo> is there any way to put a shortcut bar on the top of my desktop in kde? i was used to gnome and i am missing my shortcuts :(
[02:11] <dell500> SHN is a lossless audio format (The Dead, Phish, Widespread, Ratdog ... just a few bands that record in this)
[02:11] <KaiL> fsapo: you can add child panels (rightclick on the existing panel ->add -> panels..)
[02:11] <KaiL> dell500: aha
[02:11] <KaiL> well, just try :)
[02:11] <dolny> dunno
[02:13] <dell500> KaiL, SHN doesn't work, but i think FLAC was fine
[02:13] <dell500> it added to the list...
[02:13] <KaiL> OGG should work too
[02:13] <KaiL> MP3 of coz
[02:13] <Diablo-D3> s/OGG/Vorbis/
[02:14] <Diablo-D3> btw, Ive never seen shn before
[02:14] <transgress> ogg?  in what
[02:14] <Diablo-D3> and I dont think there is a plugin for it for any popular linux player
[02:14] <KaiL> transgress: k3b
[02:14] <transgress> oh
[02:14] <Diablo-D3> k3b should be able to burn vorbis oggs
[02:14] <transgress> yeah
[02:14] <whappd> I can't remember the name of it, but isnt there a menu updating tool for KDE (separate from kmenuedit) ?
[02:15] <KaiL> kappfinder?
[02:15] <KaiL> that one with the 1500*300px window? :)
[02:16] <dolny> ok guys
[02:16] <dolny> the azureus client works flawlessly
[02:16] <dolny> it just reported an nat error but works
[02:16] <dolny> and downloads
[02:16] <dolny> as for the ogg etc
[02:16] <dolny> dont burn OGG format to audio
[02:16] <dolny> its too lossy
[02:16] <dolny> try to get FLAC
[02:17] <dolny> it a compressed wav
[02:17] <dolny> (probably you know that)
[02:17] <Diablo-D3> everything is compressed PCM.
[02:17] <whappd> KaiL, thats it! thanks
[02:17] <dolny> but flac is much better
[02:17] <Diablo-D3> and yes, we all know flac is a lossless format.
[02:17] <dolny> ok ;)
[02:17] <Diablo-D3> and we all know vorbis is a lossy format
[02:17] <Diablo-D3> dolny: whats really going to bake your noodle, is that ogg is just a container format
[02:17] <Diablo-D3> and you can have flac in ogg.
[02:18] <dell500> i like the way flac sounds, but SHN is REALLY nice too
[02:18] <_ReDRuM_> ogg is an audio codec
[02:18] <_ReDRuM_> ogm is the container
[02:18] <dell500> i'm listenin to some dead and it's clear as hell
[02:18] <dell500> like if you were front and center
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> _ReDRuM_: wrong.
[02:18] <dell500> www.etree.org
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> ogg is a container format.
[02:18] <_ReDRuM_> not unless its changed in the past 4 years
[02:18] <dell500> supports SHN
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> changed? dude, that never existed.
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> ogg was always xiph's container format
[02:19] <_ReDRuM_> hmm. it blatently did exist
[02:19] <transgress> do you have to restart kde to get the transparencies on windows working?
[02:19] <_ReDRuM_> cause i still have .ogm movies
[02:19] <_ReDRuM_> from 2001
[02:19] <Diablo-D3> I didnt say ogm wasnt a container format
[02:19] <KaiL> did anybody in here installed (k)ubuntu on a i586 system?
[02:19] <dolny> Torrent details for "Tom Waits - Amsterdam 11-21-04 - PAL DVD with upgraded audio".
[02:19] <KaiL> (K6 or so)
[02:19] <dolny> ahh
[02:19] <dolny> :)
[02:19] <Diablo-D3> ogm is a shorthand extension meaning "ogg with video in it"
[02:19] <transgress> dolny: umm?  we care?
[02:19] <_ReDRuM_> eh if you say so i cant say i ever read xiphs web page.
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> _ReDRuM_: so, please, quit passing around wrong information.
[02:20] <dolny> goodnight guys
[02:20] <_ReDRuM_> why dont you quit passing arround irrelevent information
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> ogg is a container format, vorbis and flac and speex are all audio codecs.
[02:20] <_ReDRuM_> who gives a damn about an ogg codec
[02:20] <_ReDRuM_> shut up this is linux channel
[02:20] <dolny|zZz> :)
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> And on ignore you go.
[02:21] <Diablo-D3> Buhbye now.
[02:21] <_ReDRuM_> oh no.
[02:21] <transgress> kind of like i'm on ignore too
[02:21] <_ReDRuM_> arrogant little prick isnt he
[02:21] <_ReDRuM_> bet hes 15
[02:21] <_ReDRuM_> neways
[02:22] <dell500> does k3b accept plugins or anything??
[02:22] <transgress> yeah i already told him he was a dipshit a good few times... he did however respond to things i said after he "put me on ignore"
[02:22] <_ReDRuM_> rofl
[02:22] <Diablo-D3> dell500: I think there are k3b plugins
[02:22] <Nub> HELP: ubuntu doesn't see Microsoft PCI Adapter MN-130 #2 (nic card)
[02:23] <transgress> see in reality _ReDRuM_ he can't stand the thought of not knowing what we say about him, so he doesn't put us on ignore, but instead bites his tongue when we talk about him... makes him feel somehow victorious
[02:24] <_ReDRuM_> i cant be bothered to talk about him :)
[02:24] <KaiL> Nub: MS ever made NIC cards?!
[02:24] <Nub> yeah
[02:24] <Nub> and i happen to use one
[02:24] <Nub> and ubuntu happens to not like it
[02:24] <Nub> or something of that sort
[02:25] <KaiL> how is it named in lspci?
[02:25] <Nub> uhh
[02:25] <Nub> dunno, dunno what that is either
[02:26] <Nub> i'm booted in windoze right now so i could use the internet
[02:26] <KaiL> kde menu -> system -> info center -> pci devices
[02:26] <KaiL> ah, oh :)
[02:26] <Nub> oh
[02:26] <whappd> what is Synaptic Smart Upgrade?
[02:26] <Nub> i think i remember it saying Microsoft PCI adapter
[02:27] <Nub> when i go to Network settings it doesn't show
[02:27] <_ReDRuM_> neways i got to catch some shuteye
[02:27] <_ReDRuM_> thanks for the help kail
[02:27] <_ReDRuM_> nite transgress, others
[02:27] <KaiL> hmm
[02:28] <Nub> maybe it's a driver issue or something?
[02:28] <Nub> where does ubuntu store drivers btw?
[02:28] <Nub> usr/src/linux-2.6/drivers?
[02:29] <Nub> atleast thats what i figured but the folder linux-2.6 or anything of the sort doesn't exist in that context
[02:29] <transgress> Nub: check /lib
[02:29] <Nub> hmm ok thanks
[02:29] <transgress> Nub: /lib/modules/2.6*/
[02:30] <KaiL> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/ to be more exact, but that doesn't help
[02:30] <KaiL> https://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-install-list/2003-November/msg00133.html
[02:30] <KaiL> in short: you need to hack in driver source code
[02:30] <KaiL> damn...
[02:30] <KaiL> he should get better hardware
[02:31] <KaiL> that tulip shit sucks, broke ACPI S3 for a friend
[02:32] <KaiL> even RealTek is better ;)
[02:33] <Nub> sorry about that
[02:33] <KaiL> Nub: wb
[02:33] <Nub> thanks
[02:33] <KaiL> you should get a better card
[02:33] <Nub> ok so now i know where the drivers are so i should be able to make the driver work
[02:33] <Nub> unfortunately this is the better card
[02:34] <KaiL> better than what?
[02:34] <Nub> i recently purchased it as an upgrade from some POS nic i was using before
[02:34] <transgress> wow
[02:34] <KaiL> even RealTek 8139 makes less problems :)
[02:34] <transgress> i just got spam in chinese
[02:34] <Nub> actually i correct myself
[02:34] <KaiL> if you want something GOOD, look for intel  or 3com
[02:35] <Nub> i was using my motherboard's onboard Logitek 1394
[02:35] <Nub> atleast that's what i recall
[02:35] <Nub> and it crapped out on me
[02:35] <transgress> KaiL: define good?
[02:36] <KaiL> transgress: performance, stability, cpu load...
[02:36] <Nub> ha, my CPU is such crap anyway
[02:36] <transgress> herm... i've noticed absolutely no problems with my stuff
[02:36] <KaiL> realteks are getting slower, if you have a REALLY slow PC
[02:36] <KaiL> intel not
[02:37] <KaiL> might be interesting again with GBit and some better CPUs
[02:37] <Nub> while i have your attention
[02:37] <Nub> another question
[02:38] <Nub> i'm using an nVidia GeForce 5600 Ultra with dual sony monitors, which works fine with my xp, linux doesn't seem to recognize my second monitor
[02:38] <Nub> and it doesn't seem to want to allow me to use a higher resolution than 640
[02:39] <transgress> Nub: you install the nvidia drivers?
[02:39] <Nub> which frankly makes KDE pretty damn impoosible to use
[02:39] <KaiL> you need to configure the second head manually
[02:39] <KaiL> uhm, 640 on the first head?
[02:39] <Nub> yeah
[02:39] <Nub> nvidia drivers, i thinks so
[02:39] <Nub> my second monitor just spews crap, my first isn't much better at 640
[02:40] <Nub> manually, sounds like fun
[02:40] <Nub> any idea how i'd go about doing that?
[02:40] <KaiL> it should detect at least the first one
[02:41] <Nub> it sees the first monitor
[02:41] <Nub> but it only allows 640 res
[02:41] <KaiL> that's not what I call "detecting" ;)
[02:42] <KaiL> is that some very old and/or cheap one?
[02:42] <Nub> no
[02:42] <Nub> in xp it's running 1280
[02:42] <KaiL> then it should give us ddc data, I wonder, why it doesn't do that on Linux
[02:43] <KaiL> but ddcprobe seams to get confused with dualhead - hmm
[02:44] <KaiL> I could now speculate, what's going wrong there, but without you being on Linux it's quite difficult to fix it
[02:44] <Nub> well then i'll try to get my NIC working first
[02:44] <Nub> and come back here on nix to fix the other problem
[02:44] <KaiL> might be better
[02:45] <KaiL> I guess it's the same very small problem as I had with my 19" CRT
[02:45] <Nub> first i'm supose to be writing an essay for school, unfortunately that's supose to take priority
[02:45] <KaiL> there Xorg was just configured to a too low maximum resolution
[02:48] <Nub> when i'm done bullshitting my way through a comparison of "To a Mouse" and "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" i'll be back
[02:50] <KaiL> ...what do we learn now? with a PC full of crap, you can even break ubuntu :)
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> whats the name of that gnome gui package manager
[02:51] <KaiL> synaptic
[02:51] <Diablo-D3> thats right =P
[02:55] <KaiL> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/wf/1081850622.jpg << nice, a PCI Express GBit card
[02:55] <KaiL> that's what I call small...
[02:57] <Diablo-D3> I cant believe this
[02:58] <Diablo-D3> there are no packaged c64 emulators
[03:02] <pussfeller> whats up with this gam server anyways, what is it
[03:02] <pussfeller> its hogging a mount and I cant umount it
[03:05] <chavo> pussfeller, gamin or gam_server is what keeps directories refreshed in konq.
[03:05] <chavo> you can kill it
[03:05] <chavo> it should respawn
[03:20] <Nub> i'm back
[03:20] <Nub> KaiL
[03:21] <Nub> so retarded problem, i found the tulip directory but it does not contain tulip_core.c
[03:21] <Nub> maybe that's a retarded question
[03:21] <Nub> but it's still a question
[03:21] <Nub> where is it?
[03:21] <Nub> the only thing in tulip is a bunch of .ko files
[03:22] <Nub> i understand that it's a c file, is that something that would only be included in the source? how would i go about getting the source
[03:40] <amaro> anyone here tried installing Kexi?
[03:40] <amaro> dpkg gives me errors because some of the library names are exactly the same versions.. but, the libraries have the name ubuntu in them, and it kinda doesnt know that they are exactly the same
[03:44] <kkathman> wazzup peeps :)
[03:47] <mikerobi> my gtk theme resets to the default every time i log in to kde, how do i fix this?
[03:52] <kkathman> mikerobi: gtj theme?
[03:53] <kkathman> oops
[03:53] <kkathman> gtk? in KDE?
[03:53] <kkathman> hmm
[03:57] <nate_> hi there folks
[03:58] <kkathman> hey nate_ :)
[03:58] <nate_> kkathman: how goes it?
[03:58] <kkathman> not bad..not bad at all
[03:58] <nate_> cool
[03:58] <kkathman> u?
[04:00] <nate_> I'm doing just fine, thanks
[04:00] <nate_> about to go work on a website
[04:02] <kkathman> yah I did that all weekend
[04:02] <kkathman> got it to an eval point for the client
[04:02] <kkathman> awaiting their feedback
[04:03] <kkathman> nate_:  you do all your dev on Linux?
[04:05] <ThomasWinwood> Hmm. KDE looks a lot like my configured GNOME look.
[04:05] <nate_> kkathman: oh, this is just a Wolfenstien clan website, nothing like proffessional.  And yes, I do all mine on linux.  If its FF compatible, its Windows compatible.
[04:05] <kkathman> rofl
[04:06] <kkathman> do you do your own graphics nate_ ?
[04:06] <nate_> kkathman: check out my test site: bd.quaketheism.org
[04:06] <ThomasWinwood> I was rather expecting a bar across the bottom of the screen with a K on it and some other gubbins like that.
[04:06] <nate_> kkathman: one of my clanmates is an artist
[04:06] <nate_> kkathman: he does all of the art-work
[04:06] <kkathman> uhmm.. well thats what mine had
[04:06] <kkathman> THomas...if yours doesnt, you might need to check it out
[04:06] <kkathman> brb
[04:06] <nate_> kkathman: ummm, hmmm, connection refused
[04:08] <nate_> weird, I'll have to talk to the admin about that
[04:09] <ThomasWinwood> Does there exist a screenshot of what I ought to be seeing when I first start up KDE?
[04:09] <nate_> gonna download the whole site in case something bad is happening
[04:11] <ThomasWinwood> Seems it's still running gnome-panel. Can anyone advise?
[04:11] <nate_> kkathman: do you keep current, dev, and retired copies of your sites?  I'm trying to make an efficient way to keep old copies of the site and a reference of the current site
[04:11] <mr_roboto> anyone have suggestions on a gui irc client that can tile or detach windows? not real happy with ksirc or kvirc
[04:11] <nate_> kkathman: and a copy thats under development
[04:11] <nate_> mr_roboto: does xchat?
[04:11] <mr_roboto> umm didn't try that one! :)
[04:13] <mikerobi> kkathman: the theme used by gtk apps I run in kde
[04:14] <mr_roboto> nate: yes, xchat allows you to detach the tabs. i'll play with that one for a bit. thankx
[04:14] <nate_> mr_roboto: if you want, search in synaptic for irc, there's LOADS of irc clients
[04:16] <ThomasWinwood> Why is my system still loading GNOME stuff after I told it to use KDE? Am I missing something subtle here?
[04:17] <nate_> ThomasWinwood: what gnome stuff?
[04:18] <ThomasWinwood> gnome-panel, gnome-cups-daemon...
[04:18] <ThomasWinwood> gnome-keyring-daemon... list goes on.
[04:20] <nate_> ThomasWinwood: did you load kdesktop and kubuntu-desktop?
[04:20] <ThomasWinwood> Yes.
[04:20] <ThomasWinwood> I used the kubuntu-desktop metapackage and kubuntu-live.
[04:21] <nate_> what?
[04:21] <ThomasWinwood> Search in synaptic for "kubuntu" and there's kubuntu-live and kubuntu-desktop. I got both.
[04:22] <nate_> did you select kdm?  there should have been a prompt at some point asking whether you wanted to use kdm of gdm
[04:22] <nate_> i believe thats your problem
[04:22] <ThomasWinwood> Yep, selected kdm.
[04:22] <nate_> did you reboot?
[04:23] <ThomasWinwood> Yep.
[04:23] <ThomasWinwood> I'm using Konversation now. But it's loaded the GNOME menus etc.
[04:23] <nate_> what did your login screen look like?
[04:24] <ThomasWinwood> Uh.
[04:24] <nate_> was it all yellow, or was it slick lookin blue?
[04:24] <ThomasWinwood> Slick blue.
[04:24] <ThomasWinwood> I know what you mean.
[04:24] <nate_> hmmm, i have noooo idea
[04:25] <nate_> see, I would think using gdm would load all the desktop management processes, like gnome-cups, etc.
[04:25] <nate_> ThomasWinwood: oh, but if you're using a program based upon gnomes libraries (Qt?) then it should look like gnome
[04:26] <nate_> ThomasWinwood: maybe someone more knowledgable here can help ya out :(
[04:27] <ThomasWinwood> Should I remove all the GNOME stuff?
[04:27] <nate_> ummm, i would say no
[04:27] <nate_> but what do i know
[04:28] <nate_> i'd try finding the root of the issue before i start just hackin away
[04:32] <nate_> argh
[04:34] <amaro> mr roboto you got no boto
[04:35] <Diablo-D3> domo arigato mr roboto
[04:36] <amaro> ohh.. ya, that one
[04:37] <amaro> hehehe
[04:37] <ThomasWinwood> I found the problem.
[04:37] <ThomasWinwood> I hadn't set session type to be KDE.
[04:37] <mr_roboto> is "you got no boto" japanese too?
[04:44] <nate_> ahhh
[04:49] <amaro> mr_roboto, no it isn't
[04:49] <amaro> hehehe
[04:53] <ThomasWinwood> I think KDE can grow on me.
[04:57] <transgress> like a fungus
[04:58] <ThomasWinwood> Heh.
[05:01] <ThomasWinwood> Okay. I'm downloading the Kubuntu install CD so I can burn it and use it.
[05:02] <transgress> cool
[05:07] <_marco> habla triste
[05:11] <Overdrive> Is there any way to hide all the info stuff when Kubuntu is booting up ?
[05:13] <Overdrive> Is there any way to hide all the info stuff when Kubuntu is booting up ?
[05:18] <Overdrive> Or is there a way to turn off the pop-ups when you hold the cursor over the taskbar buttons ?
[05:20] <kkathman> Overdrive...why do you want to hide it?
[05:21] <kkathman> Overdrive..you can turn off the popups in the control center -> Desktop -> Panels ->Appearance and uncheck "Enable Icon Mouseover effects"
[05:21] <Overdrive> Which one are we talking bout the popups or the boot process stuff
[05:22] <verden01> anyone got 3D working with their Ati Radeon card?
[05:24] <Overdrive> kkathman: Cheers for that, do you know off any good ways to speed up the boot up proccess
[05:24] <kkathman> Overdrive, not really...its really based on your processors speed and memory
[05:25] <Overdrive> kkathman: CPU AMD 2400XP+ Ram 1024 MB DDR 400 and it seems to take about 1-2 mins startup
[05:25] <kkathman> I have 1g memory and an AMD 2500+ CPU and it takes about 30 secs to boot to the splash screen
[05:26] <Overdrive> I wonder if it is because i dual boot
[05:26] <kkathman> hmm maybe thats about right then
[05:28] <Overdrive> just 4 curiosity i will time it from selection from grub
[05:29] <kkathman> ok
[05:33] <kkathman> welcome back
[05:33] <Overdrive> kkathman: From Grub it took 50s to get to logon screen
[05:35] <kkathman> Overdrive: Thats not bad...about right
[05:36] <Overdrive> kkathman: Oh ok well is there a way to enable automatic logon ?
[05:36] <kkathman> Overdrive: there might be but Im not aware of it
[05:36] <chavo> Overdrive, you use kdm or gdm?
[05:37] <Overdrive> kdm
[05:37] <kkathman> chavo he's trying to cut his boot time and I guess a transparent login..settings in the x.org?
[05:38] <chavo> go to Control Center -> System Administration -> Login Manager
[05:38] <kkathman> I dont know that startx has to call the sessions menu, so maybe you could get around it
[05:38] <chavo> then enable Administrator Mode
[05:38] <chavo> Then click on tthe Convenience Tab, you can enable auto-login from there
[05:39] <chavo> You can also enable passwordless local logins
[05:39] <kkathman> wow chavo..thanks man, that was very educational I appreciate that :)
[05:39] <chavo> no problem :)
[05:40] <chavo> gdm will do auto logins as well.
[05:40] <Overdrive> thats what I thought but it just has in red writing 'Attention Read Help'
[05:41] <chavo> Overdrive, you have to hit the Administrator Mode button
[05:41] <Overdrive> did that put the password and it goes back there
[05:43] <chavo> Overdrive, ok that's a little kubuntu bug, hold on a sec.
[05:44] <chavo> Overdrive, try running -> sudo kcontrol from the command line
[05:45] <Overdrive> done that
[05:46] <Overdrive> chavo: Thanks done that will try out later
[05:48] <Overdrive> Another thing that has been bugging me is when I restart or shutdown I get a dialog box saying 'could not start process cannot talk to klauncher' any ideas ?
[05:48] <Kisain> evnin all
[05:56] <sirukin> wow
[05:56] <sirukin> I'm impressed....
[05:57] <Overdrive> Can anbody help, whenever I restart or shutdown I get a dialog box saying 'Could not start process cannot talk to klauncher'
[07:04] <kkathman> doo dah
[07:04] <kkathman> wonder if Tm_T has gotten back yet?
[07:54] <verden01> Hi
[07:55] <verden01> is there anyway i an automatically reconfigure my display config
[08:19] <Draken9999> Gday everyone, I am using Kubuntu and kppp to connect to the net and using an init string to force 56000 speed but im only managing to get 1.5kb/s (I can get a full 5kb/s through my phone line using windows)
[08:20] <Draken9999> what are some possible solutions to make the actual speed better?
[08:23] <verden01> gday mate
[08:34] <overdrive> Hi people I think i broke my kubuntu the only way i can get in is through the recovery option at GRUB
[08:37] <overdrive> when i try to start normally i get the message 'No write access to /home/ross/.ICEauthority' kde cannot start any ideas ?
[09:00] <Tezkah> errr
[09:00] <Tezkah> hey everybody
[09:01] <overdrive> Can somebody please help me
[09:03] <overdrive> My KDE locks up as soon as i click on something
[09:04] <Tezkah> that's because your mouse isnt supported
[09:04] <Tezkah> let me guess
[09:04] <Tezkah> logitech
[09:05] <Tezkah> actually I have no idea, I'm a newb
[09:05] <overdrive> me 2, no everything was working fine untill i changed to auto login now its fudged
[09:06] <Tezkah> ah, can you change it back from autologin?
[09:06] <overdrive> tried that with no luck the only way i can do anything is through recovery mode
[09:09] <overdrive> there must be someway to fix it, dont want to have to reinstall
[09:10] <Tezkah> yeah, reinstalling is usually not the best option
[09:10] <Tezkah> hmm, settings perchance...
[09:12] <overdrive> i changed them back b4 i couldnt even start KDE got the message No write access to /home/ross/.ICEauthority
[09:14] <Tezkah> ah, that really sucks
[09:14] <Tezkah> but I have no idea
[09:15] <overdrive> yeah im totally pissed right about now
[09:16] <Tezkah> so it was working fine
[09:16] <Tezkah> you set it to auto login?
[09:16] <Tezkah> and then it did this?
[09:17] <overdrive> yeah after i restarted
[09:40] <dolny|zZz> damn! i installed ati drivers and the x cant initialize opengl ;/
[09:49] <dolny|zZz> anybody alive?
[09:50] <overdrive> no
[09:55] <dolny|zZz> is there a debian package for SDL_mixer?
[09:55] <dolny|zZz> ok nvm i know
[10:43] <fsapo> hi all, anyone knows how to open files with double click and select it with a single click in konqueror?
[11:04] <verden01> hey
[11:06] <verden01> hey i f___ed up my xorg .conf does anyone know a fix?
[11:07] <Riddell> dpkg-reconfigure xserver
[11:07] <Riddell> or something like that
[11:26] <seren> ne1 out their?
[11:26] <verden01> thanx
[12:26] <Chameleon22> under system menu->remote places->secure shell ... if i setup a connection and ask to store the password how can i remove the password that is being stored ? there is actualy no bloodey option !
[12:27] <Chameleon22> never mind, i am an idiot
[12:28] <Chameleon22> actualy no, disregard that idiot comment. Where does it store the password?
[01:20] <fsapo> hi all, is there any kind of applet to show my cpu, memory and network usage? i ve installed one that came with kde but i want to see the process, memory usage for each process and this kind of stuff
[01:23] <Riddell> fsapo: I believe ksysguard can do that
[01:23] <Riddell> I just like knetload and kcpuload
[01:30] <fsapo> Riddell, hum.. i ll take a look, thanks
[01:34] <whiskers> wow that took all night..but i finally got xiopen webserver, php4, and mysql integrated and running with phpmyadmin manager......so win98 is just about finished....now i can focus on linux
[01:38] <whiskers> so MS will be hit from both directions...they will be hit from people running enterprise software on win98 and they will also get competition from linux with LAMP
[01:38] <whiskers> this is fun
[01:40] <whiskers> i don't know who is going to want to buy their XP
[01:52] <whiskers> it is just too bad i don't have any use for an integrated web server with a database.....but maybe somebody will if they know it can be done.
[01:57] <whiskers> i guess i will partimage a partition of this stuff and call it win98 third edition
[01:59] <whiskers> but of course it is already free for those who bought it long ago....and just to let people know it still has considerable power.
[02:14] <alitoch> hi
[02:14] <alitoch> whiskers> almost everybody uses windows xp, unfortunately...
[02:16] <whiskers> alitoch, well that is very unfortunate for them...but not everybody....there are lots of linux and win98 people.
[02:17] <whiskers> and neither group wants to change.
[02:17] <alitoch> i didn't say everybody, I said almost... :)
[02:18] <alitoch> win98 is not as bad as xp, but it is still something we can't really call an OS
[02:18] <whiskers> win98 is one of the fastest most efficient os's in the world...and boots quickly
[02:19] <alitoch> Sometimes I go insane when I see people I know giving me quite stupid arguments like "it is beautiful" or "changing my OS is too complicated, I used to be using that" and when they call me after to do After-Buy service by phone when they encounter problems with Microsoft's OS...
[02:19] <whiskers> plus it is already paid for....so people who bought it don't have to lose their economic sunk cost.
[02:19] <alitoch> win98, efficient???
[02:19] <alitoch> lol, let me laugh
[02:20] <alitoch> no, it is not paid... they get it with the computer...
[02:20] <whiskers> alitoch, damn efficient...and very very fast
[02:20] <alitoch> I don't really think so, whiskers
[02:21] <alitoch> It is sure it is much more efficient than XP, but... the way it is managed is not very efficient
[02:21] <whiskers> and no problems with having to know passwords...or getting the right file permissions or any of that other crap
[02:21] <alitoch> There is no app repository like in Linux, ther user manager is awful...
[02:21] <alitoch> know passwords ? You set it at ubuntu installation (for the root user), then you just have to use sudo !
[02:22] <alitoch> sorry, I've gotta go to eat
[02:56] <kkathman> morning all (or whatever time it is where you are ) :)
[03:09] <ArdieM> how can i autostart this: exec Eterm --borderless --scrollbar=off --buttonbar=off --trans --geometry 200*300+0+0 ?
[03:16] <kkathman> ArdieM: I dont know of any way to start an application in KDE automatically on boot in a certain Desktop. You can, however put an icon on the kicker or an icon on the panel to click and start it
[03:22] <jkd> hello
[03:22] <jkd> I'm having problems
[03:22] <jkd> after I do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:25] <jkd> http://pastebin.com/281649
[03:44] <closure> hello
[04:07] <closure> http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT2127420238.html
[04:08] <closure> looks like we are ahead of the pack... or right with the masses?
[04:11] <KaiL> depends on how they asked
[04:11] <KaiL> if you have a list where to make a cross, we are debian
[04:11] <KaiL> if you need to tell manually, I miss ubuntu
[04:18] <closure> KaiL, i meant we are debian and we are kde
[04:19] <closure> we've combined all the top parts
[04:19] <KaiL> ah, yes :)
[04:19] <closure> into one
[04:19] <closure> so i was saying we're ahead of the pack but right with the masses
[04:19] <closure> >8-P
[04:20] <KaiL> quite interesting the increase with KDE between 2003 and 2004
[04:20] <KaiL> in 2005 we'll have kubuntu, have KDE3.4... I think, this will go even more to the top
[04:22] <closure> yeah
[04:22] <closure> kubuntu isn't getting the publicity it deserves though i can't figure out why
[04:22] <KaiL> most people think it's only some kind of early beta
[04:22] <closure> everybody speaks of ubuntu and it seems as if people get the impression that gnome is the only option
[04:33] <bretzel> Hi all: I have troubles with Kdevelop + svn usage ( ttrying to commit: klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'svn+http'.
[04:33] <KaiL> wobei relativ viele sich das "kubuntu-desktop"-Paket auf ihr ubuntu packen
[04:33] <KaiL> oh - EN
[04:33] <KaiL> there are many people installing "kubuntu-desktop" on their ubuntu system..
[04:34] <bretzel> KaiL: I am one of those people ...
[04:35] <closure> lol
[04:35] <KaiL> kdevelop + svn...
[04:35] <KaiL> afair there was a bugreport
[04:35] <KaiL> ...if that helps ;)
[04:36] <bretzel> I saw the bugs report but only when creating new projects with svn support. I didn't know SubVersion was totally unusable with kdevelop: it is the protocole at KDE level as I said in my initial message
[04:37] <KaiL> try to catch Riddell, as he must have it repaired on his local system at least ;)
[04:38] <_ReDRuM_> afternoon folk
[04:38] <bretzel> But anyway, It is not that important tho :-) I can live with cmd-line for svn commits! - Okay, I will try to speak to Riddel then :-) thank you Kail for your help :-)
[04:39] <bretzel> Riddell: I see you in this channel -- AFK ?
[04:40] <closure> bretzel, is kdevelop what you would use to make a frontend for a command line app?
[04:41] <_ReDRuM_> is there anyway to increase the width output of dpkg -l ?
[04:41] <_ReDRuM_> cause i cant see some of the package names
[04:41] <bretzel> closure: ? no I asked if it is known that Kdevelop with subversion doesn't work
[04:41] <closure> bretzel, i can read i asked if that's an app to create front ends never mind
[04:43] <bretzel> closure: You mean create a front-end app using KDevelop ?
[04:43] <\sh> closure: kdevelop is kdevelop, what u mean kdevdesigner or qtdesigner
[04:43] <\sh> closure: and cli-frontends?? u mean something like dialog? take a closer look on kommander (on the quanta webpages)
[04:47] <closure> \sh, i have no idea i'm just curious what app would design a simple frontend for a command line app
[04:52] <bretzel> \sh: Then Kdevelop + kdevdesigner ( it is embedded ) I assure you that you will be in paradise :-)
[04:53] <bretzel> closure: Oops I my \sh's reply  was for you ( sorry \sh )
[04:54] <KaiL> Riddell: ping? your new kdelibs-data package still "eats" /etc/kderc
[04:56] <bretzel> Riddell: ?
[05:04] <bretzel> Riddell not here :-(
[05:05] <bretzel> Btw: Kdevelop-kubuntu doens' have CVS integration too :-( even if I have all the CVS stuff with kde kioslave-dcop etc... installed ...
[05:06] <_ReDRuM_> anyone else having problems with kde apps resolving hostnames?
[05:06] <_ReDRuM_> seems to have happened since i upgraded to breezy
[05:07] <_ReDRuM_> firefox and gtk apps are all working fine
[05:07] <_ReDRuM_> so oddly is conversation tho so that cant be it
[05:08] <bretzel> _ReDRuM_: Doh! breezy ? upgrade ? ouch! good luck!  it is too early for breezy...
[05:08] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[05:08] <bretzel> :-)
[05:08] <_ReDRuM_> i did it cause i thought there was a bug in openoffice
[05:09] <_ReDRuM_> but actually it was just takin 20 seconds to open a menu on right click cause its written badly and i have 9000 fonts
[05:09] <bretzel> Me want CVS or SVN working in KDevelop! None of them works :-(
[05:09] <_ReDRuM_> surely breezy cant be that bad... :)
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> also - why does some of the apt packages when you try to use apt-build to recompile them ignore the optimization flags :/
[05:10] <bretzel> _ReDRuM_: I wonder how stuff can be more up-to-date than with Ubuntu/Kubuntu 5.04 ...
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> is there a guide to what your supposed to do it manually if you dont use apt-build?
[05:11] <_ReDRuM_> cause im getting sick of my laggy buggy X server
[05:11] <_ReDRuM_> and when i compiled it myself before it worked fine so probably if i rebuild it it will work fine in kubuntu too
[05:11] <bretzel> _ReDRuM_: I wish I had time to put my hands on deb builds and developments ... Not enough free time ... :-(
[05:11] <_ReDRuM_> grim :/
[05:13] <bretzel> have a good day all leaving IRC for other duties ..
[05:13] <apokryphos> They still haven't put that Kubuntu tab on the ubuntu site; bah :P
[05:14] <_ReDRuM_> hmm... anyone got opinions on current java vms?
[05:14] <_ReDRuM_> sun vs ibm vs blackdown?
[05:14] <apokryphos> Riddell: Re: those suggestions I put in to the ubuntu webmaster some time ago... he said he was going to forward it to you guys...
[05:14] <Riddell> apokryphos: hmm, not much use forwarding it to me
[05:15] <apokryphos> Riddell: I told him I'd got you to check that it was in order before it was sent; can't entirely make out what he's saying though now. I think he's waiting to hear from you guys...
[05:16] <apokryphos> it's a shame to have not had that Kubuntu tab on there all this time...
[05:16] <_ReDRuM_> ... anyone know a better way to do "dpkg -l '*pkg*pattern*'
[05:16] <Riddell> apokryphos: can you forward what he wrote to me?
[05:16] <_ReDRuM_> cause it cuts off the names of the matching packages
[05:16] <apokryphos> Riddell: sure, one sec.
[05:18] <apokryphos> Riddell: Actually, it's very short so I'll paste. After I sent the original email, he says "I'll forward this to the Kubuntu team."
[05:18] <apokryphos> I wasn't asking for permission. I just am not really in a position to update the page and write the new text.
[05:18] <apokryphos> told him I'd got you to check it through already, and he said the above ^
[05:27] <apokryphos> Riddell: well anyhow, I'll leave it to you ;-). I think it's worth pushing for the Kubuntu link; would be really nice to have a direct link to the Kubuntu site so the connection is clearer. :)
[05:27] <Riddell> apokryphos: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/kde is updated
[05:28] <apokryphos> Oh, nice.
[05:28] <apokryphos> Someone should delete those comments, as they apply to the previous version of the article...
[05:29] <apokryphos> well, the earliest ones do
[05:29] <apokryphos> anyhow, adios. Will likely be on more in a month or so.
[05:34] <Tm_Balor> hullo
[05:51] <fsapo> hi.. i m with a problem in kaffeine.. it is running fine but when i close it, it stays running on background and using 100% of my cpu, what could be the problem?
[05:55] <Riddell> fsapo: unfortunatly the kaffeine in hoary is broken like that, the one in breezy is better
[05:55] <fsapo> breezy?
[05:56] <Riddell> the unstable version
[05:56] <fsapo> Riddell, where can i find the repositories for it?
[05:57] <Riddell> change hoary to breezy in /etc/apt/sources.list  but mind that things might break with breezy
[05:57] <fsapo> ok, thanks
[05:58] <spjoe> is a sun javasdk for amd64 available?
[05:58] <KaiL> or get a fixed kaffeine from here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27670
[05:58] <whappd> spjoe, yes
[05:59] <spjoe> where?
[06:00] <whappd> spjoe, JDK1.5.03 exists for Linx AMD64 -- you can get it from Sun's download page: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[06:00] <whappd> Linux*
[06:00] <spjoe> hmm u are sure their is an amd64 version?
[06:01] <whappd> I'm positive.
[06:01] <whappd> It's explicitly listed on the actual download page, which you will see after accepting the license agreement.
[06:01] <whappd> on the page i linked you to, click "Download JDK 5.0 Update 3"
[06:02] <whappd> that will prompt you to accept the license agreement
[06:02] <whappd> say yes, proceed, and you'll see downloads for Windows, Linux, Solaris, Solaris x86, Linux AMD64, and Solaris AMD64.
[06:03] <whappd> You obviously want the Linux AMD64 one.
[06:08] <ThomasWinwood> In K3b, how do I tell it to set a CD image as bootable?
[06:14] <larkhill> mouse problem - every now and then the pointer jumps around the screen clicking things, anyone any pointers on this, thx
[06:39] <larkhill> mouse problem - every now and then the pointer jumps around the screen clicking things, anyone any pointers on this, thx
[07:10] <ghetek1> After installing ubuntu, what it the command to change it into kde?
[07:10] <jjesse> did you install ubuntu or kubuntu?
[07:10] <whappd> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:10] <ghetek1> ubuntu
[07:11] <ghetek1> is that is?
[07:11] <ghetek1> *it
[07:11] <jjesse> nod apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:11] <ghetek1> wow, thats easy
[07:11] <ghetek1> thank you!
[07:11] <KaiL> just installing kubuntu would have been even more easy ;)
[07:16] <ghetek1> (installing kubuntu) =exact same? (installing ubuntu with apt-get install kubuntu-desktop)
[07:20] <KaiL> except you have only kde, no gnome then ;)
[07:23] <Gothlom> hi
[07:23] <Gothlom> anybody online?
[07:23] <Gothlom> anybody speaking german?
[07:24] <Gothlom> hello???
[07:24] <_oli> jo wasn
[07:24] <Gothlom> ah :)
[07:24] <Gothlom> hallo
[07:24] <_oli> hi
[07:25] <Gothlom> ich hab ne frage zu kubuntu
[07:25] <_oli> wasn
[07:25] <Gothlom> und zwar.. ich hab gelesen das kubuntu auf debia basiert..
[07:25] <Gothlom> ist da auch apt mit invovliert?
[07:25] <jjesse> kubuntu is a distro that doesn't have gnome install it at all
[07:25] <Gothlom> involviert
[07:25] <_oli> na sichi
[07:26] <ghetek1> ah ok
[07:26] <ghetek1> thank you to the room
[07:26] <Gothlom> das ist fein :) also ist es quasi debian nur mit sudo statt dem ursprnglichen root
[07:26] <jjesse> http://www.kubuntu.org/
[07:26] <Gothlom> richtig?
[07:26] <jjesse> and also check out the FAQ: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php
[07:27] <_oli> naja wenn du so willst
[07:27] <Gothlom> gut
[07:27] <Gothlom> danke:)
[07:27] <_oli> gucks dir einfach an es lohnt sich
[07:28] <Gothlom> hab schon nen paar andere ausprobiert... eigentlich ne menge..
[07:28] <Gothlom> ich fand immer yoper am besten... nur leider stoct da im moment die entwicklung...
[07:28] <Gothlom> wenns jemand kenn...
[07:28] <Gothlom> t
[07:31] <Gothlom> vielen dank fr die ausknfte.. cya
[08:27] <reagleBRKLN> anyone using kat with kubuntu? (desktop searching)
[08:27] <reagleBRKLN> i.e. http://www.cis.uni-muenchen.de/~heller/techtips/kde-search/
[08:28] <reagleBRKLN> the .deb doesn't work with ubuntu deps
[08:30] <sirukin> hmm
[08:30] <sirukin> submit a working deb when you're done
[08:31] <KaiL> hmm, build with qt 3.3.4, we are using 3.3.3...
[08:32] <reagleBRKLN> yea, there's a couple of deps that are ahead of us
[08:45] <buti> hi
[08:46] <buti> noatun is broken. any ideas?
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> that ataxic is always in here when i join
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> hi ataxic
[09:02] <_ReDRuM_> never says much either :)
[09:13] <reagleBRKLN> don't understand...
[09:13] <reagleBRKLN> urd:/usr/src> dh_make kat-0.4.4
[09:13] <reagleBRKLN> The directory name must be <package>-<version> for dh_make to work!
[09:14] <reagleBRKLN> since deb-make was deprecated, haven't figured out how to build a pkd
[09:27] <Slike> hello, i know how to use synaptic or apt with online software resources, but how do I install a single deb-file I have on my hdd (opera, ubuntu-download)?
[09:29] <crimsun> sudo dpkg -i foo.eb
[09:29] <crimsun> s/.eb/.deb/g
[09:30] <Slike> thx a lot :)
[09:30] <Slike> works :p
[10:04] <ataxic> _ReDRuM_:-)
[10:05] <ataxic> _ReDRuM_: are you from england?
[10:07] <tim_h> where should I set LANG for having my native language in non KDE apps?
[10:20] <AMIGrAve> is kubuntu supposed to be installable on a 64Mo i386 ?
[10:43] <somerville32> Hello
[10:44] <somerville32> Hello
[10:44] <somerville32> I can
[10:44] <somerville32> *I can't get sound to work :(
[10:44] <Tezkah> does it work on the livecd?
[10:45] <somerville32> I don't have a livecd
[10:47] <somerville32> I've been googling all day
[10:47] <somerville32> and I can't find a solution
[10:50] <whiskers> wow that phpmyadmin is nice on win98....except i don't see a backup database option
[10:50] <Tezkah> anyone run a mobile athlon?
[10:50] <somerville32> Anybody know the solution to my problem?
[10:51] <Tezkah> somerville32: what kind of sound card, has it always been like that, etc?
[10:51] <somerville32> Yes, I just install kubuntu yesterday, it has always been like this.
[10:51] <whiskers> i guess i need to still do one more thing for win98....and that is to get a working copy of mysqladmin on win98...
[10:52] <whiskers> because last time i checked mysqladmin would create backups of the databases
[10:52] <Tezkah> do you know what kind of soundcard it is?
[10:52] <somerville32> I'm trying to remember the command to display the sound cards
[10:54] <Tezkah> does ubuntu partition ntfs drives fine?
[10:54] <Tezkah> or should I use somethinglike partition magic first
[10:54] <whiskers> Tezkah, partition magic is a commercial program
[10:55] <Tezkah> yeah, I know that
[10:55] <Tezkah> but does the ubuntu installer work fine for paritioning NTFS drives?
[10:56] <whiskers> Tezkah, well i hate commercial programs....but i mean if you are going to use one why not True Image...and related tools from Acronis....they do seem more advanced and integrated....but i hate commercial programs
[10:56] <Tezkah> heh, well, its just that I already have Partition Magic
[10:56] <Tezkah> and I know that NTFS is a bitch
[10:56] <Tezkah> but I assume the installer will guide me through the partitioning process, right?
[10:56] <whiskers> Tezkah, yes there have been many disasters from people trying to repartition it
[10:57] <whiskers> Tezkah, i just would not mess with it.
[10:57] <Tezkah> what do you mean?
[10:57] <Tezkah> I'm running Windows XP
[10:57] <Tezkah> and I'm basically forced to dual boot
[10:57] <whiskers> Tezkah, i mean you don't need it and you don't need to be running xp
[10:57] <somerville32> Sound Drive: 3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA V1.06 emulation code) Kernel: Linux box 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i6868 Configu Options: 0      Installed Drivers: Type 10: AlSA emulation   Card config: Ensoniq AudioPCI ENS1371 at 0xd000, irq 10   Duio devices: 0 ES1371 DAC2/ADC (Duplex)   Synth Devicesw: Not enabled in config  Midi devices: 0" Es13171   Timers: 7 : system timer   Mixers: 0: TriTech id 3
[10:58] <whiskers> somerville32, what command did you use for that info
[10:58] <somerville32> I used KInfoCenter
[10:58] <somerville32> Under Sound
[10:59] <whiskers> somerville32, that is a very nice readout
[10:59] <somerville32> And Under PCI
[10:59] <somerville32> I see this:
[10:59] <whiskers> somerville32, does gnome have anything like that
[10:59] <somerville32> Dunno, I don't use gnome
[10:59] <whiskers> somerville32, well i don't use kde...except for qt
[10:59] <Tezkah> KDE, whooooo
[10:59] <Tezkah> whiskers: isn't kubuntu... just ubuntu+kde?
[10:59] <somerville32> 0000:00:14.0 Multimedia audi controller: Ensoniq ES137 [AudioPCI-97]  (rev 06)
[10:59] <whiskers> somerville32, but does gnome have a readout like that
[11:00] <somerville32> Subsystem: Ensoniq Creative Sound Blaster AudioPC164V, AudioPCI128
[11:00] <somerville32> Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 64, IRQ 10
[11:00] <somerville32> I/O Ports at d000 [size=64]
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> that...
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> somerville32: woohoo
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> you have a soundcard like mine
[11:00] <somerville32> Capabilities: <available only to root>
[11:00] <whiskers> when kde gets scrollable menus...then i might consider it....but i just can't stand the splattered menus all over the screen
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> whats the problem?
[11:01] <somerville32> I can't get any sound
[11:01] <Diablo-D3> run alsamixer
[11:01] <Diablo-D3> and unmute main and pcm, and turn the volume up
[11:01] <somerville32> You can't get sound either? at all?
[11:01] <Diablo-D3> no, alsa mutes new devices by default.
[11:02] <somerville32> They weren't muted
[11:02] <somerville32> but I turned them up
[11:02] <amaro> if a certain package needs a certain library with a lower version than the one installed. What should I do? Should I install both?
[11:02] <somerville32> Still no sound
[11:02] <somerville32> I'm using XMMS
[11:02] <Diablo-D3> amaro: yeah, you can apt-get install thatpackage=package-version
[11:02] <Diablo-D3> somerville32: what output plugin are you using for xmms?
[11:02] <somerville32> ALSA
[11:03] <somerville32> 1.2.10
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> somerville32: which audio device?
[11:03] <amaro> Diablo-D3, it won't destroy anything else, right? it's like downloading another .dll file with another name..
[11:03] <somerville32> hw:0,1
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> somerville32: change to hw:0,0 and see if it fixes it
[11:04] <Diablo-D3> amaro: eh, no, its not like that. But it shouldnt destroy anything
[11:04] <somerville32> Couldn't open audio
[11:04] <somerville32> Please check that:
[11:04] <somerville32> <blah blah blah>
[11:04] <Diablo-D3> somerville32: does your es1371 have both front and rear audio jacks?
[11:04] <amaro> Diablo-D3, ok thank you
[11:04] <somerville32> No
[11:04] <somerville32> But I have two sound cards
[11:04] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[11:04] <somerville32> One built in, and one PCI
[11:04] <Diablo-D3> does the built in one work?
[11:04] <somerville32> I don't think so ;)
[11:04] <Diablo-D3> damn
[11:05] <Diablo-D3> because, I'd like to mention, es1371's built by any manufacturer suck in audio quality
[11:05] <somerville32> It looks like linux doesn't even pick it up, anyhow
[11:05] <whiskers> dern...i don't see a nice readout on gnome like you have on kde
[11:05] <Diablo-D3> do you have a "default" audio device in the alsa menu?
[11:05] <whiskers> dern i wonder what the low level command is to get that info
[11:06] <somerville32> Yes
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> try that one
[11:06] <somerville32> What about the mixer device?
[11:06] <somerville32> (I get the can't open audio dialog again)
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> mixer device wont make it stop working
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> it just changes which device the volume slider changes
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> er, rather, which volume mixer
[11:07] <somerville32> Ok, should I use software or hardware volume control?
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> doesnt matter, but I suggest you use hardware
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> just for sound quality reasons
[11:08] <Tezkah> yeah, I was using the kubuntu live CD, and there was some pops in the audio, and konsole froze
[11:09] <Diablo-D3> somerville32: Im wondering if alsa just hates your card
[11:09] <Diablo-D3> somerville32: because there are literally thousands of es1371s out there working fine with linux
[11:12] <Tezkah> KDE Plastik is so beautiful
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> yeah it is
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> and lipstik can look just like plastik
[11:13] <Diablo-D3> configure lipstik to use "Inverted gradients (plastik style)"
[11:13] <Tezkah> lipstik?  hmm, I'll have to check it out
[11:13] <Diablo-D3> lipstik is the default kubuntu theme.
[11:16] <Tezkah> oh, hmm, I did try the liveCD
[11:16] <Tezkah> but I thought it was just plastik
[11:16] <Diablo-D3> what, with that whacked gradent? I think not ;)
[11:17] <Tezkah> http://www.blackpanther.hu/modules/FanClub/images/lipstik-style1.jpg thats lipstik?
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> yup
[11:17] <Tezkah> http://people.uleth.ca/~ryan.reamsbottom2/desktop.jpg
[11:17] <Tezkah> buhh
[11:17] <Tezkah> that is my current windows desktop
[11:17] <Tezkah> hahaha
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> though, wtf is with that fugly color scheme
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> kubuntu defaults to lipstik + plastik color scheme
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> and btw, XP is ugly
[11:18] <Tezkah> yeah, this is Media Center 2005 style
[11:18] <Tezkah> XP is ugly out of the box
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> yeah, it doesnt look good until you theme it like win2k
[11:21] <Tezkah> but the liveCD looked excellent
[11:21] <Diablo-D3> afk food
[11:21] <Tezkah> although the setup part of it was stretched past the bottom of my screen
[11:28] <Tezkah> dose anyone know the root password on the livecd?
[11:33] <whiskers> well i really don't know how you people can stand kde with all those splattered menus all over the screen....their apps are nice but their desktop is crap
[11:36] <whiskers> but on the other hand half the stuff on gnome isn't working because of fundamental problems
[11:39] <Riddell> Tezkah: there is no root password
[11:39] <Tezkah> hmm
[11:39] <Tezkah> I tried to su into root
[11:39] <Tezkah> but it woudln't let me
[11:39] <Riddell> Tezkah: sudo ls
[11:40] <Tezkah> C:\Documents and Settings\Ryan>sudo ls
[11:40] <Tezkah> 'sudo' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
[11:40] <Tezkah> operable program or batch file.
[11:40] <Tezkah> heh, just kidding, I'll have to check it out when I reboot
[11:40] <Riddell> I wonder what an external command is


[12:06] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop depends on all edubuntu desktop apps as well as all ubuntu-desktop apps
[12:06] <ogra> (plus edubuntu-artwork in the next few days)
[12:06] <yvesC> thanks. i will test that as soon as wget finished download iso
[12:06] <ogra> :)
[12:06] <ogra> thanks for testing
[12:08] <yvesC> thanks for working ;)
[12:11] <bdoin> ogra: thanks for your work on gcompris
[12:12] <ogra> you're welcome ...
[12:12] <ogra> it will still need a lot of testing... i dont play every board to test ;)
[12:17] <ogra> yay
[12:17] <magnon> hm
[12:17] <ogra> ?
[12:17] <magnon> is there any cool ways to do the iso install without burning? :P
[12:17] <magnon> dunno if I have cds
[12:18] <ogra> hm
[12:19] <magnon> nvm, found :)
[12:20] <ogra> CDRW is great for testing CD releases ;)
[12:20] <magnon> with my current wallet I cant even afford a single cd :)
[12:21] <ogra> ouch
[12:21] <Burgundavia> what is this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanDo
[12:21] <ogra> i'd ask EldarOmuraliev
[12:22] <magnon> I'll get a confirmation tomorrow however on a major training thingy that'll net us some profit and me some saslary :P
[12:22] <magnon> salary*
[12:22] <ogra> i wonder what for he needs multiverse
[12:23] <ogra> in advance ?
[12:23] <magnon> couple of weeks
[12:23] <ogra> cool :)
[12:24] <magnon> as I own 1/3 of it, I can pay out about whenever I want so :p
[12:25] <ogra> heh
[12:25] <magnon> we're just attempting to save up so we can afford up to half a year of paying running costs... but if we have guaranteed income, that pot can be diminished temporarily
[02:40] <magnon> nooooo
[02:40] <magnon> I got the 64bit image
[02:40] <magnon> :P
[02:41] <ogra> so get the matching hardware ...
[02:41] <ogra> :)
[02:41] <magnon> you know, I'll just download the i386 one :)
[02:41] <ogra> he
[02:41] <ogra> h
[07:06] <yongaik> hello
[09:11] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW
[09:11] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco
[09:18] <jsgotangco> doing good?
[09:21] <JaneW> yep, and you?
[09:29] <jsgotangco> not bad
[09:29] <jsgotangco> just keeping myself from being bored heh
[09:35] <JaneW> jsgotangco: good
[09:35] <jsgotangco> maybe i should do something crazy
[09:46] <JaneW> jsgotangco: like?
[09:47] <jsgotangco> break the build like yesterday
[09:48] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[09:48] <JaneW> jsgotangco: step AWAY from the build!
[09:50] <jsgotangco> oh it did break yesterday but got fixed
[09:50] <JaneW> jsgotangco: and don;t forget I will see you at UBZ (right?) so this is no idle threat ;)
[09:50] <jsgotangco> JaneW, UBZ if sponsorship goes through...
[09:50] <JaneW> jsgotangco: holding thumbs
[09:51] <JaneW> are you on the list?
[09:51] <jsgotangco> im burning the disc right now i can test later
[09:51] <jsgotangco> JaneW, list? UBZ wiki page yes
[09:52] <JaneW> jsgotangco: great.
[09:57] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[09:58] <JaneW> ogra: have you seen http://art.ubuntu.com/?
[10:00] <jsgotangco> wow nice
[10:03] <JaneW> jsgotangco: are you head of the docteam?
[10:03] <jsgotangco> no, we have no head
[10:04] <jsgotangco> i do their clean up
[10:04] <JaneW> ok
[10:04] <JaneW> well how amenable are you to bribes?
[10:04] <JaneW> ;)
[10:04] <jsgotangco> oohhh
[10:04] <jsgotangco> depends on who bribes
[10:05] <JaneW> I'll put your name on the 'recommended for sponsorship' list
[10:05] <JaneW> if you make sure edubunut's doc are sorted :P
[10:05] <JaneW> s/doc/docs
[10:05] <jsgotangco> JaneW, all docs are sorted
[10:05] <jsgotangco> im almost done in About Edubuntu
[10:06] <jsgotangco> Release Notes will be done by jbailey and I will edit it further
[10:09] <jsgotangco> other than that, its all cookbook if my test goes well
[10:09] <JaneW> ok
[10:12] <JaneW> what's your contry code?
[10:12] <jsgotangco> PH
[10:12] <JaneW> ta
[10:12] <jsgotangco> what for?
[10:12] <JaneW> the list
[10:13] <JaneW> Coming from?
[10:13] <jsgotangco> ahh
[10:13] <jsgotangco> i'm going to struggle with jet lag if i get there
[10:13] <JaneW> nothing's guaranteed, but at least you are on the internal list now
[10:13] <jsgotangco> wow so there's an internal list...
[10:14] <jsgotangco> i'll be speaking in LinuxWorld next week you wanna see the slides?
[10:15] <JaneW> sure
[10:15] <JaneW> jsgotangco: well there's a list on the Canonical wiki, but the list on the ubuntu wiki will be fed into that
[10:16] <jsgotangco> wow what does the canonical wiki for if we have an ubuntu one? internal issues?
[10:18] <jsgotangco> JaneW, we can probably ship the basic docs (about, release notes) and push cookbook after release
[10:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco: just process and procedure stuff, leave, contact details, expense forsm that kind of stuff
[10:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco: everything else is public
[10:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: PING
[11:03] <ogra> JaneW, i saw art.ubuntu.com during development ;)
[11:03] <ogra> morning
[11:04] <JaneW> hi
[11:04] <JaneW> ogra: I am amending the license on our wiki and u/l our wall papers to the art site
[11:04] <ogra> great :)
[11:05] <jsgotangco> guys im almost done with About Edubuntu i will just fix the xslt script so we'll have an HTML by tommorow or unless ogra is willing to use xml docbook for yelp?
[11:29] <JaneW> I'm stuck...
[11:34] <jsgotangco> hmmm looks good
[11:38] <jsgotangco> ogra, do you happen to have release notes just in case?
[11:38] <jsgotangco> or is there still a need?
[11:41] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'll write some... but dont have anything yet
[11:41] <jsgotangco> ok no rush if you want to, i can just merge them with About Ubuntu as a section
[11:52] <ogra> hmm, we should incorporate art.ubuntu.com in the mozilla default page
[11:54] <ogra> doesnt look like we'll have new icons in breezy :/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HumilityIcons
[11:57] <JaneW> ok I u/led all wallpapers, they are awaiting approval/moderation
[11:57] <JaneW> next time ppl must submit it themselves, so they can be listed as the designer. I had to put that in the notes this time.
[11:58] <ogra> sigh http://www.linuxkongress.at/index.php?id=197
[12:01] <JaneW> ogra: ?
[12:02] <ogra> sharing one stage with jimbo wales and markus gamenius...
[12:02] <ogra> (makes me feel small :) )
[12:03] <jsgotangco> i felt so small during UDU
[12:05] <ogra> heh
[12:05] <ogra> but you're doing beig work here... no need to :)
[12:05] <jsgotangco> come to think of it UDU felt like just a few weeks ago
[12:05] <ogra> s/beig/big
[12:05] <ogra> yup
[12:06] <JaneW> ogra: ditto for you ^^^
[12:06] <JaneW> ogra but you're doing beig work here... no need to :)
[12:06] <ogra> yes, but these people are known... i'm fresh ...
[12:06] <JaneW> cool
[12:07] <ogra> they have a name ...
[12:07] <JaneW> so you can surprise them
[12:07] <ogra> hopefully :)
[12:07] <JaneW> anyway you are Mark's replacement
[12:07] <JaneW> so no pressure ;)
[12:07] <jsgotangco> replacement
[12:07] <JaneW> at LinuxKongress
[12:08] <jsgotangco> hey you have doko with you
[12:08] <ogra> ok, thats easy... i just have to swing back and forth while talking and and hit the palm of my one hand with the edge of the other.... and i need a cool dressup :)
[12:08] <jsgotangco> Markus Gamenius -> skolelinux?
[12:09] <JaneW> ogra: you need a shirt that says
[12:09] <ogra> yup
[12:09] <JaneW> 'I only date blondes'
[12:09] <ogra> hehe
[12:09] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:09] <ogra> i'll ask mark if he borrows it to me :)
[12:09] <jsgotangco> ogra, well i got to speak to 200 students last week...
[12:09] <JaneW> vkipedia
[12:09] <jsgotangco> and probably 300+ on linuxworld next week
[12:10] <ogra> jsgotangco, i have no prob speaking to 1000 people.... if its not in german ...
[12:10] <JaneW> does German have a W sound?
[12:10] <jsgotangco> ekk
[12:10] <ogra> sure... W
[12:10] <jsgotangco> speaking in german you don't want?
[12:10] <ogra> speaking german hard is
[12:11] <jsgotangco> even if you're already one?
[12:11] <ogra> at least if you are completely used to use english for all technical stuff you do...
[12:11] <jsgotangco> ah right
[12:11] <jsgotangco> i can understand that if i speak in my native tongue
[12:11] <ogra> i have to think about the right german meaning of the words all the time
[12:12] <jsgotangco> at least in german you have some words translated already..it shows that your language is evolving as needed
[12:13] <ogra> yes, but i tend to end up in cant mixing up german and english ... that doesnt leave a good impression to native german speakers :)
[12:14] <jsgotangco> ahh
[12:14] <ogra> i'll learn some german vocabulary during UBZ i think :)
[12:18] <JaneW> ogra: speak in English then...?
[12:18] <JaneW> ogra: Mark and I certainly would have
[12:18] <JaneW> ogra: sorry I punted you as a Greman then ;)
[12:18] <JaneW> I mean German
[12:18] <JaneW> not Gremlin ;)
[12:18] <ogra> hehe
[12:19] <ogra> lets see.. i'll look at my audience first...
[12:19] <ogra> and decide then about the right lang
[12:19] <JaneW> ogra: I had the same problem at varsity, I went to an Afrikaan speaking varsity (YUK)
[12:19] <JaneW> but ended up knowing some technical terms only in afrikaans and had trouble knowing how to describe some things in english!
[12:19] <ogra> but vat least that sounds funny :)
[12:20] <ogra> (for germans)
[12:22] <jsgotangco> afrikaans
[12:22] <jsgotangco> i haven't heard of afrikaans even once
[12:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I hate it
[12:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: derived from Dutch, French etc etc and made up basically
[12:24] <jsgotangco> ahhh like esperanto except it grew by itself
[12:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: we were forced to learn it in school, the 'old South Africa' was very much afrikaans run
[12:24] <jsgotangco> at least you can use afrikaans
[12:25] <jsgotangco> i was taught latin in school and nobody uses it except catholic priests
[12:25] <JaneW> jsgotangco: it is surprisingly helpful for understanding Dutch, German, even Norwegian etc, but when spoekn no one else really understands it
[12:25] <JaneW> jsgotangco: in it;s early days it was called 'kitchen dutch'
[12:25] <JaneW> so it's a kind of bastardised version
[12:25] <JaneW> or 'kombuis taal'
[12:26] <jsgotangco> hmm just like french in some african states except that its not really french?
[12:26] <JaneW> jsgotangco: it's now one of our 11 official languages
[12:26] <jsgotangco> 11?
[12:26] <jsgotangco> wow
[12:26] <JaneW> it used to be one of 2
[12:26] <JaneW> yep 11
[12:26] <jsgotangco> jeezz that's hard
[12:26] <JaneW> although English is still the lingua franca
[12:27] <jsgotangco> i understand that it must be history related that's why it grew to 11
[12:27] <JaneW> yes most monority groups are now recognised
[12:27] <JaneW> and if you go to court etc you are allowed to converse in your native language
[12:28] <jsgotangco> and schools?
[12:28] <JaneW> they will have a primary language
[12:28] <JaneW> and will teach at least one other
[12:29] <JaneW> so you'll be taught in say English
[12:29] <JaneW> and then may learn Afrikaans or zulu or xhose too
[12:29] <jsgotangco> the remaining language doesn't seem useful outside though
[12:29] <JaneW> (and then there's ALSO French, Itialian, German, Latin etc as options in high school)
[12:30] <JaneW> no but with many illiterate ppl here, you have to respect their lanaguage
[12:30] <JaneW> it's the only way some can communicate
[12:31] <JaneW> for instance I think one of the lagunages is San (or what ever their language is called)
[12:31] <JaneW> which is the Koi San 'bushman' language
[12:31] <JaneW> it's all some of them can speak
[12:31] <jsgotangco> to be honest, the only thing i knew about ZA back then was the movie called The Gods must be Crazy
[12:32] <jsgotangco> but now we have Charlize Theron so its much better
[12:32] <JaneW> lol
[12:33] <JaneW> yes, and Mark Shuttleworth :P
[12:33] <JaneW> and Nelson Manadela
[12:33] <jsgotangco> i'd rather see Charlize naked than the two
[12:33] <JaneW> LOL
[12:33] <JaneW> jsgotangco: no doubt you have (if you have seen any of her movies)
[12:33] <JaneW> South Africa has 11 official languages: Afrikaans, English, Zulu, Xhosa, Swati, Ndebele, Southern Sotho, Northern Sotho, Tsonga, Tswana, and Venda. In this regard it is second only to India in number.
[12:33] <JaneW> The country also recognises eight non-official languages: Fanagalo, Lobedu, Northern Ndebele, Phuthi, South African Sign Language, Khoe, Nama and San. These non-official languages may be used in certain official uses in limited areas where it has been determined that these languages are prevalent. Nevertheless, their populations are not as such that they require nationwide recognition.
[12:34] <JaneW> ok so San is not an official language (it's too small)
[12:34] <jsgotangco> South African Sign Language?
[12:34] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yep *shrug*
[12:34] <JaneW> jsgotangco: again in court you could request to be addressed in that manner...
[12:35] <jsgotangco> heh what a nice legal loophole
[12:38] <JaneW> lol
[12:38] <JaneW> Many white South Africans also speak other European languages, such as Portuguese, German, and Greek, while many Asians and Indians in South Africa speak languages such as Gujarati and Telugu.
[12:38] <JaneW> that's why we are called the rainbow nation :)
[12:38] <jsgotangco> what are most asians there? chinese?
[12:39] <JaneW>     * African/Black79.0 percent
[12:39] <JaneW>     * White9.6 percent
[12:39] <JaneW>     * Coloured8.9 percent
[12:39] <JaneW>     * Indian/Asian2.5 percent
[12:40] <JaneW> no there are indian, malay, chinese
[12:40] <JaneW> far more indian that chinese though
[12:40] <jsgotangco> ahh
[12:40] <JaneW> lots of hindu Indians in Durban
[12:40] <JaneW> Cape Town has more Moslem/Malay ppl
[12:41] <JaneW> and Chinese are probably more concentrated around JHB and the centre of the country
[12:41] <JaneW> historically groups were brought in to buidl railways etc
[12:41] <jsgotangco> most of the people from british colonies prefer to go to british influenced lands
[12:42] <jsgotangco> i was reading some stuff from wikitravel about cape town and it still has some warnings not to go to townships as much as possible especially if you obviously look different
[12:43] <JaneW> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_africa
[12:43] <JaneW> pretty interesting
[12:43] <JaneW> jsgotangco: it's about being sensible
[12:43] <JaneW> I have been into towships several times
[12:43] <JaneW> but it does depend how it's done
[12:43] <jsgotangco> right you can get assaulted anywhere anyways
[12:44] <jsgotangco> 3 capitals?
[12:44] <JaneW>  they object to fancy airconditioned tour busses coming to stare and the dissappear again
[12:44] <JaneW> we went on a really interesting township 'crawl'
[12:44] <JaneW> local tour operator, who lives in the area
[12:45] <JaneW> and donates a percentage back to that commnity
[12:45] <JaneW> and everyone was very friendly and warm to us
[12:45] <JaneW> we had a wonderful time
[12:45] <JaneW> yes 3 capitals
[12:45] <JaneW> there were 4 before I think
[12:45] <jsgotangco> what the
[12:45] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:45] <jsgotangco> hmm
[12:45] <JaneW> including Pietermaritzburg
[12:46] <jsgotangco> there seems to be a country inside ZA
[12:46] <JaneW> each of the 4 provicnces had a capital and they could decide which was THE capital so they all got responsibilities
[12:46] <jsgotangco> Lesotho?
[12:46] <JaneW> yes there are several
[12:46] <JaneW> Lesotho, Swaziland
[12:46] <jsgotangco> gyahh just invade them :)
[12:46] <jsgotangco> oh yeah
[12:46] <jsgotangco> swaziland
[12:47] <jsgotangco> it was in our foreign news
[12:47] <jsgotangco> 50,000 bare breasted virgins parade before the king
[12:47] <JaneW> oh right the others were 'homelands; and are now part of SA again
[12:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: that's the one
[12:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: highest per capita rate of HIV infections in the world... scary!
[12:47] <jsgotangco> ohh
[12:48] <jsgotangco> forget the invasion then
[12:48] <JaneW> we are a peace loving nation
[12:48] <JaneW> we don;t invade ppl
[12:48] <JaneW> (pointed look over at the states)
[12:48] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:48] <JaneW> I'll stop now befire I get myself into hot water ;)
[12:48] <jsgotangco> over here we have a big problem on some small rocks
[12:48] <jsgotangco> everyone in the region is claiming part or whole
[12:49] <jsgotangco> its called the spratleys =)
[12:49] <JaneW> we have that here too
[12:49] <JaneW> land redistribution
[12:49] <jsgotangco> not as big as the spratleys i bet
[12:49] <JaneW> where land was taken away from native ppl
[12:50] <JaneW> and now they are claining it back
[12:50] <JaneW> claiming
[12:50] <jsgotangco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratley_Island
[12:51] <JaneW> lunch time
[12:51] <jsgotangco> i gotta go for dinner
[12:51] <jsgotangco> later
[12:58] <magnon> finally
[12:58] <magnon> managed to download the i386 iso and burn it correctly :P
[01:58] <highvoltage> JaneW: PONG
[02:00] <JaneW> highvoltage: hello, I already did what I was going to ask you to do...