[00:03] <fujin_> somerville32: you don't.. use something like x11vnc
[02:19] <nealmcb> Kamping_Kaiser: looks like gbindadmin is a bind gui admin tool....  of course it suffers from the many x11-on-the-server problems....
[02:28] <kgoetz> looks like i just learned something then *heh*
[03:23] <SeanConnery> Hi, is there any documentation on Jeos ?
[03:24] <Burgundavia> in what sense?
[03:25] <SeanConnery> Burgundavia, namely, besides providing less packages, how is it useful?
[03:25] <kgoetz> SeanConnery: its been optomised to run in vmware
[03:25] <SeanConnery> kgoetz, how?
[03:25] <Burgundavia> it is a very stripped down version of Ubuntu, designed to build stuff on
[03:25] <SeanConnery> right
[03:25] <kgoetz> SeanConnery: i dont know.
[03:25] <SeanConnery> makes sense
[03:26] <kgoetz> but the kernel has been recompiled at least
[03:26] <kgoetz> or thats th impression i got from the anouncements
[03:26] <nealmcb> SeanConnery: more documentation is in progress
[03:26] <SeanConnery> nealmcb, is there somewhere I can sign up to get more documentation when it is available?
[03:26] <nealmcb> it will probably show up at help.ubuntu.com
[03:27] <SeanConnery> I've been wanting something like this for a while actually
[03:27] <nealmcb> some discussion is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=549222&page=4
[03:27] <nealmcb> including my notes on the very cool in-progress "ubuntu-jeos-builder"
[03:28] <SeanConnery> nealmcb, sounds like what I've been wanting..
[03:28] <kgoetz> nealmcb: whats it do?
[03:28] <SeanConnery> so this ubuntu-jeos-builder lets you build the appliance, I assume
[03:28] <nealmcb> there are notes on it at the server team wiki - meeting 2 days ago
[03:28] <nealmcb> yup
[03:29] <nealmcb> 90 seconds to build a custom vm and start it running (with the right build-time optimizations)
[03:29]  * kgoetz will have to check his email
[03:29] <SeanConnery> how can I keep informed of developments :D
[03:29] <SeanConnery> not sure I can help besides feedback, but...
[03:29] <nealmcb> join the ubuntu-server email list
[03:29] <nealmcb> if there is interest we may have a dedicated email list in time
[03:29] <nealmcb> what do you want to do with it?
[03:30] <SeanConnery> make an appliance :-D
[03:30] <nealmcb> web deployment?  local use?
[03:31] <SeanConnery> its an application, not web
[03:31] <nealmcb> kvm/qemu?  vmware?
[03:31] <nealmcb> xen?
[03:32] <SeanConnery> vmware likely
[03:32] <SeanConnery> but if I can support xen, that would be good
[03:32]  * nealmcb like kvm
[03:32]  * nealmcb likes kvm
[03:33] <nealmcb> very flexible.  you can snapshot moments in time efficiently and resume them later
[03:33] <fujin_> OH MY?
[03:33] <fujin_> AN IDEA STOLEN FROM VMWARE??
[03:34] <nealmcb> I like free software also
[03:34] <fujin_> I prefer working, expensive software
[03:34] <kgoetz> fujin_: huh?
[03:34] <nealmcb> :-)
[03:34] <fujin_> kgoetz: </sarcasm>
[03:34] <nealmcb> but the qemu part also supports so many different architectures
[03:35] <nealmcb> of course there are lots of tradeoffs and different goals
[04:20] <SeanConnery> lets not forget that vmware is currently the king in the virtualization space when it comes to market cap/mindshare
[04:21] <SeanConnery> I hate firefox
[04:42] <SeanConnery> so nealmcb is the jeos iso just an install CD or is it supposed to be a vmware image
[04:42] <nealmcb> SeanConnery: it is an install cd for use in any sort of vm
[04:43] <SeanConnery> ok
[04:43] <SeanConnery> I'm installing it now
[04:43] <nealmcb> but without unnecessary hardware support modules
[04:43] <SeanConnery> I'm afraid
[04:43] <nealmcb> note that IIRC scsi is not supported
[04:43] <nealmcb> notes on that are in that forums thread I think
[04:43] <SeanConnery> does it matter for a VM?
[04:44] <nealmcb> sure - vmware provides virtual hardware, and the vm needs drivers to use it
[04:45] <nealmcb> but the ubuntu-jeos-builder was much more flexible, fast and useful for me
[04:47] <SeanConnery> where is this builder?
[04:47] <SeanConnery> can I see it?
[04:47] <nealmcb> see the links in that forums thread
[04:48] <SeanConnery> ok
[04:48] <SeanConnery> hmm
[04:48] <SeanConnery> seems like VMware uses SCSI
[04:49] <SeanConnery> oh nm, custom vm
[04:49] <SeanConnery> my cats are in my socks... bastards
[04:49] <nealmcb> I've heard that - haven't tried it - but I guess it can be changed
[04:50] <SeanConnery> nealmcb, where do you live?
[04:50] <nealmcb> boulder.  you?
[04:51] <SeanConnery> vancouver
[04:51] <SeanConnery> I was in Aspen this year
[04:52] <SeanConnery> nice place
[05:10] <SeanConnery> nealmcb, I see this link: https://code.launchpad.net/~nealmcb/ubuntu-jeos/nealmcb
[05:10] <SeanConnery> Is that what you meant?
[05:10] <nealmcb> yeah
[05:10] <nealmcb> though actually the trunk branch is more up to date now
[05:11] <nealmcb> and you can get the best code by just browsing that - it is just a single shell script
[05:12] <SeanConnery> what the heck
[05:12] <SeanConnery> its a shell script? thats awesome
[05:12] <nealmcb> simple and powerful
[05:12] <nealmcb> and still in development.....
[05:13] <SeanConnery> don't turn it into a configure script! :-)
[05:13] <nealmcb> a configure script?  for what?
[05:13] <SeanConnery> you know, ./configure && make && sudo make install
[05:13] <SeanConnery> the configure scripts are awful
[05:14] <nealmcb> well, it has that sort of thing in as part of the packaging, but you shouldn't see that
[05:14] <SeanConnery> ok, I'm gonna run this bad boy
[05:14] <nealmcb> and so far it is just a single shell script, with some dependencies
[05:15] <nealmcb> I really recommend the apt cacher in particular
[05:15] <SeanConnery> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3731057#post3731057
[05:15] <SeanConnery> is that what you're using there?
[05:15] <nealmcb> yup
[05:17] <nealmcb> it depends on qemu, debootstrap, parted
[05:18] <nealmcb> (qemu-img in particular)
[05:23] <SeanConnery> nealmcb, so why does the script need to be run as root?
[05:23] <nealmcb> good question.  I guess there are a few parts that need it
[05:24] <SeanConnery> ah, looks like you mount something or the other
[05:24] <nealmcb> I seem to recall some comments suggesting that may have been hoped to be unnecessary at some point but I forget
[05:29] <SeanConnery> 21:29:39 Setting target vm to "vmw6"
[05:29] <SeanConnery> 21:29:39 mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/sohail/src/jeos/ubuntu-jeos-gutsy-i386': File exists
[05:29] <SeanConnery> 21:29:39 ./ubuntu-jeos-builder: 556: qemu-img: not found
[05:29] <SeanConnery> 2
[05:30] <SeanConnery> seems to require qemu even if I'm setting to vmware? /me debugs.
 it depends on qemu, debootstrap, parted
[05:32] <SeanConnery> doh
[05:36] <SeanConnery> man this is getting a lot of packages...
[05:41] <nealmcb> SeanConnery: you mean during the building?  that is why apt-cacher is a huge help
[05:41] <SeanConnery> nealmcb, are those going to be in the final image then?
[05:41] <nealmcb> it is everything for a minimal install
[05:41] <SeanConnery> alsa?
[05:42] <nealmcb> yeah.  it is capable enough to add more packages, etc.  but I think stripping some of that out would make sense for many users
[05:42] <nealmcb> and you can add arguments to do all that
[05:43] <SeanConnery> I'd like to say ./ubuntu-jeos-builder --please-build-something-with-networking-and-I-can-login-k-thanx
[05:43] <nealmcb> sounds like a nice contribution ;-)
[05:43] <nealmcb> but I agree
[05:44] <nealmcb> busybox comes to mind, but that would be a radical change
[05:44] <SeanConnery> sure
[05:59] <SeanConnery> nealmcb, I think mine failed. Can I paste you the log somewhere so perhaps you know what went wrong?
[05:59] <nealmcb> sure
[05:59] <nealmcb> I like dpaste.com
[06:00] <nealmcb> did you use the trunk branch, or mine?
[06:01] <SeanConnery> http://www.freefilehosting.net/download/MzkyMjc=
[06:01] <SeanConnery> nealmcb, I used yours
[06:02] <nealmcb> hmm - may have been some vmware problems in that one -
[06:02] <nealmcb> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shawarma/ubuntu-jeos/trunk
[06:03] <SeanConnery> ok, will try that one
[06:03] <shortcakes> Hi, any idea why ubuntu 7.10 server install (sw raid tool) would not be able to delete existing raid1 devices from a previous suse install?
[06:03] <shortcakes> it says they are busy, yet they are not mounted
[06:05] <SeanConnery> hey nealmcb whats this launchjeos script you're using?
[06:06] <nealmcb> ahh - it is a little hack for qemu - put all the necessary arguments to run qemu.  I guess vmware users would know how to use that vmware description file
[06:06] <SeanConnery> oh
[06:06] <SeanConnery> k
[06:06] <SeanConnery> yes, I do
[06:06] <nealmcb> but I was thinking it would be nice to be able to tell folks "just run this"
[06:06] <nealmcb> for any vm system
[06:07] <nealmcb> but I only know kvm/qemu myself, and only a bit at that....
[06:07] <nealmcb> advice solicited.....
[06:07] <SeanConnery> well I figure its up to the user
[06:07] <nealmcb> soren is the main guy writing it....
[06:08] <nealmcb> for qemu, you need to know which disk to configure with which image on the command line, and that is a pain without the script helping
[06:08] <SeanConnery> ah
[06:09] <SeanConnery> what is probably most user-proof is that the builder script generates the runner script, if possible
[06:09] <nealmcb> right - that's why I added it
[06:09] <SeanConnery> with vmware its just as simple as opening the vmx file
[06:10] <SeanConnery> so, it can't be any more dum dum for me
[06:10] <nealmcb> shortcakes: the raid gurus may be around more actively in the next 16 hours or so
[06:10] <shortcakes> ok, ty
[06:14] <CrummyGummy> Hi all, My server has just filled up with relay-bin files in /var/lib/mysql. This has happened since I moved to Gutsy. What changes were made this time?
[06:14]  * CrummyGummy points to the last time when the same files were in /var/run....
[06:15] <CrummyGummy> I'm lying, its the latest mysql upgrade in Feisty...
[06:15]  * CrummyGummy reaches for more coffee.
[10:50] <Burgundavia> hmm, openldap 2.4 has just been released
[10:53] <avatar_> Burgundavia: package it for hardy
[10:54] <Burgundavia> avatar_: yep, that is going to happen
[10:55] <avatar_> does it have big advantages over 2.3. ?
[10:55] <Burgundavia> from what I understand, yes
[10:56] <avatar_> OpenLDAP 2.4 Change Log
[10:56] <avatar_> OpenLDAP 2.4.6 Release (10/31) Initial release for "general use"
[10:57] <avatar_> hmm, the announcement has more information
[12:16] <kraut> moin
[17:35] <roving_prole> hello all, is there a utility on US similar to authconfig on RHEL?
[17:36] <roving_prole> also, what's a good book for Ubuntu server administration?
[17:36] <roving_prole> I come from RHEL
[17:38] <DM|> omg hai guyz
[17:38] <DM|> :P
[17:38] <DM|> brb
[17:40] <ivoks> what does authconfig do?
[17:41] <roving_prole> it's an ncurses util to set up LDAP and Kerberos auth
[17:41] <roving_prole> all auth, actually
[17:41] <ivoks> there is auth-client-config
[17:41] <ivoks> it's not ncurses
[17:41] <roving_prole> ah, that sounds promising
[17:41] <ivoks> apt-cache show auth-client-config
[17:42] <roving_prole> Couldn't find it...
[17:43] <ivoks> what version of ubuntu is that?
[17:43] <roving_prole> not sure... how do I determine?
[17:44] <ivoks> lsb_release -r
[17:44] <ivoks> like on any other linux distribution
[17:44] <roving_prole> I always use redhat-version on RHEL, sorry
[17:44] <roving_prole> it's 7.04
[17:45] <ivoks> oh.. this tool is in newer version of ubuntu
[17:46] <roving_prole> ah, ok
[17:47] <roving_prole> thanks then.  I'll just find and edit all the config files manually, no big deal
[17:47] <roving_prole> is the Official Ubuntu book good for server stuff?
[17:47] <ivoks> you are setting up a client or a server?
[17:47] <roving_prole> a good resource, rather
[17:47] <roving_prole> server
[17:48] <ivoks> official book is mostly for a desktop, iirc
[17:48] <roving_prole> but I have another ubuntu server I was going to set up as a client
[17:48] <ivoks> we are planing some improvments on that area for 8.04
[17:48] <ivoks> we'll see if we could implement all planed :)
[17:49] <roving_prole> yeah, lots to do, I'm sure
[17:50] <roving_prole> you just get used to one distro, and the transition is bumpy sometimes
[17:50] <ivoks> problaby bigest change from redhat is 'no /etc/sysconfig' :)
[17:52] <roving_prole> oh yeah, I've noticed that... now I remember why I was looking for authconfig... there's a file that's updated by authconfig in /etc/sysconfig that tells the system to check kerberos first and then use shadow passwd
[17:52] <roving_prole> I don't remember the file, but that's what I was looking for on Ubuntu
[17:52] <ivoks> well, configuration of tools is the same
[17:52] <ivoks> i've used debian for a long long time
[17:53] <ivoks> and then went to RHCE exam...
[17:53] <ivoks> scored 100% :)
[17:53] <roving_prole> ha,nice
[18:08] <mathiaz> roving_prole: The Ubuntu Server Guide is a good ressource for starters
[18:09] <mathiaz> roving_prole: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/server/C/ for the version for Feisty (7.04)
[18:09] <ivoks> mathiaz: hi
[18:09] <mathiaz> hi ivoks :)
[18:09] <ivoks> i wanted to ask you something, but now i don't recall what :)
[18:10] <mathiaz> ivoks: well. I can give an answer then.... 42
[18:10] <ivoks> :)
[18:11] <ivoks> yeah...
[18:11] <ivoks> my plan for email stuff is like this:
[18:11] <ivoks> install dovecot, and in .postinst check if there is postconf from postfix
[18:12] <ivoks> if there is, check sasl setting, and if there is none, run postconf to set dovecot
[18:12] <ivoks> then copy /usr/share/dovecot/dovecot-sasl.conf to /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
[18:13] <ivoks> do you see any problems with that?
[18:13] <mathiaz> ivoks: hum... how can you be sure that postfix will be installed before dovecot ?
[18:14] <mathiaz> ivoks: does postconf work if postfix is not running ?
[18:14] <ivoks> that was the question i wanted to ask you :)
[18:14] <ivoks> we can pre-depend on postfix...
[18:15] <ivoks> btw, postconf works while postfix is offline
[18:16] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok. that's great then (postconf works while postfix is offline)
[18:16] <mathiaz> ivoks: I'm not sure pre-depends works (I have to look into that)
[18:17] <ivoks> it does... i used it one year ago
[18:17] <mathiaz> ivoks: would this break the case where dovecot is installed withouth postfix ?
[18:17] <ivoks> mathiaz: it could pre depend on postfix | mta?
[18:18] <ivoks> is there usecase where there is imap/pop service and isn't smtp?
[18:19] <mathiaz> ivoks: running a cluster of servers serving from an nfs mail spool.
[18:19] <ivoks> right...
[18:19] <mathiaz> ivoks: dovecot doesn't depend on an mta now. I don't think it would be well accepted to add that dependency.
[18:20] <ivoks> ok...
[18:20] <ivoks> and meta package is not an option?
[18:21] <mathiaz> ivoks: well - that would be my suggestion.
[18:21] <mathiaz> ivoks: I'd actually see this in the mail-server tasksel
[18:21] <ivoks> as a tasksel postinst?
[18:21] <mathiaz> ivoks: I think the postinst script from the task would be a great place to handle that sort of configuration
[18:22] <ivoks> right... it's easy for postfix, but we chould do some thing else for dovecot
[18:23] <maeth> hi, i have to internet connections on my place, i heard that i can do load balancing with a dual wan router, but is there a way to do it with my ubuntu server? , got the 7.04 release
[18:23] <maeth> sorry two internet connection :P
[18:23] <maeth> s
[18:24] <maeth> got 3 ethernet cards, got DHCP3 and internet sharing via firestarter
[18:25] <ivoks> mathiaz: i think i have a solution for dovecot too...
[18:25] <mathiaz> ivoks: shoot !
[18:25] <ivoks> mathiaz: /usr/share/dovecot already has some predefined profiles
[18:25] <ivoks> mathiaz: for ldap and sql
[18:26] <ivoks> mathiaz: i'll check what's that all about and integrate sasl.conf into dovecot
[18:29] <mathiaz> ivoks: is there a how-to/tutorial on what needs to be done ? I'm still confused about what needs to be done exactly.
[18:29] <ivoks> postdfix needs two lines
[18:30] <ivoks> dovecot needs more editing since we have to tell it to place auth socket into postfix chroot
[18:30] <nealmcb> maeth: do you have your own AS?  or do you just want to bind two channels to the same ISP?
[18:30] <ivoks> and enable it
[18:30] <ivoks> iirc, 3-4 line changes
[18:30] <ivoks> in dovecot.conf
[18:30] <maeth> nealmcb, AS? , ive got two internet cable modems connection, 2 fisical modems...
[18:31] <nealmcb> do they go to totally separate ISPs?
[18:31] <nealmcb> different cable companies?
[18:31] <maeth> nealmcb nop, the same company , but separted bandwith and diferent ips
[18:32] <nealmcb> as = autonomous system.  if you want to use two different connections, you end up with much much more complicated routing
[18:32] <nealmcb> and I bet that is true for two connections to the same cable company, but I'm not sure
[18:32] <maeth> nealmcb, k , but it seems this is not the case? :D
[18:32] <nealmcb> you'd have to ask the cable company....
[18:33] <maeth> arrr... :S k...
[18:33] <nealmcb> or that is my intuition....
[18:33] <maeth> its easier get a dual wan router isnt?
[18:34] <nealmcb> do they typically use T1 lines?
[18:35] <nealmcb> I suspect that in any case you need to work it out with the folks at the other end (cable company)
[18:37] <maeth> nealmcb, k ... thnx anyway ^_^!
[18:49] <DM|> So ... dumb question
[18:49] <DM|> what is a LAMP server?
[18:50] <ivoks> linux apache mysql php
[18:50] <DM|> ah i see
[18:50] <DM|> For an example, what could i use it for?
[18:51] <ivoks> nothing if you don't know what it is
[18:51] <DM|> lol yes, im breaking into the server world
[18:51] <mathiaz> !lamp
[18:51] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[18:52] <ivoks> you could use it to create new google :)
[19:24] <DM|> lol been a long time, whats the command to add a sudo password
[19:25] <DM|> in server
[19:32] <DM|> so... how do i shut down ubuntu-server
[19:33] <DM|> command line
[19:45] <lamont> postconf doesn't work before postfix is configured (postfix's postinst must run before postconf works
[19:45] <lamont> mathiaz: ivoks: ^^
[19:55] <mathiaz> lamont: hum.. Thanks.
[20:00] <lamont> once it's been configured once, then things tend to be golden
[20:59] <phaidros> DM|: halt or shutdown -h now
[21:01] <DM|> says i need root privs
[21:01] <DM|> when i Sudo it tells me mail error and that im not part of sudoers
[21:09] <Centaur5> DM|: add yourself to the admin group
[21:09] <DM|> command line, how would i do that
[21:10] <Centaur5> DM|: usermod -a -G admin user-name
[21:10] <DM|> thanks
[21:10] <Centaur5> no prob
[21:13] <Centaur5> Could anybody tell me the best way to have 2 eth cards on the same server offer DHCP?  Is there a way to bind interfaces to the DHCP server?
[21:14] <lamont> Centaur5: see /etc/default/dhcp or so
[21:14] <lamont>   /etc/default/dhcp3-server  even
[21:14] <lamont> and then man dhcpd.conf
[21:14] <Centaur5> That's great, I didn't know about that file.  :)
[21:15] <lamont> generally, I look at /etc/default/$package, and then /etc/init.d/$package to see what's going on
[21:15] <h4x0r7h1s> hey, I'
[21:16] <Centaur5> Yeah, I already have the server DHCP running I've just never setup 2 NIC's to offer them.
[21:16] <Centaur5> Thanks lamont, that was easy.  :)
[21:16] <h4x0r7h1s> hey, I'm trying to get Apache mod_jk to hook up to tomcat on a remote host but I'm always getting the error "jk_handler::mod_jk.c (1986): Could not find a worker for worker name=tomcat"
[21:17] <h4x0r7h1s> this happens usually because worker.list doesn't contain that worker name
[21:17] <h4x0r7h1s> it does now.
[21:17] <h4x0r7h1s> the config works on another server, which has apache and tomcat; this server has apache only, pointing to that server's tomcat on 8009 (ajp 1.3 connector) ...?
[21:18] <h4x0r7h1s> all the docs I'm finding keep talking about a local tomcat install but I don't want that.
[22:59] <Centaur5> Is it possible to have a mail server with a host name mail.domain.com also be a dns server for a local network for domain.bogus?
[23:45] <Nafallo> yes?
[23:45] <Nafallo> why wouldn't it?
[23:48] <Centaur5> I guess I just don't know how to assign 2 hostnames to a machine.  Just keep adding to /etc/hosts?


[09:49] <sabdfl> hi folks
[09:49] <sabdfl> just installed the UNR on an Acer Aspire, looks good!
[09:52] <lool> sabdfl: Good to hear
[09:52] <lool> There are major issues with the intel driver on some netbooks at the moment though
[09:52] <sabdfl> i'll send an installation report to the list
[09:52] <lool> Thanks
[09:52] <sabdfl> yes, wifi is busted here :-/
[09:52] <sabdfl> but i know that's a documented issue
[09:54] <lool> Hmm was actually thinking of one of the other intel drivers, the video one; I had issues with not merged realtek drivers up to alpha 6, but it's ok now
[10:04] <sabdfl> is it a known issue that indicator-messages is not installed?
[10:07] <davmor2> sabdfl: if you rmmod acer-mwi wifi should spring into life
[10:07] <lool> sabdfl: You mean the new notification system in general?
[10:08] <sabdfl> davmor2: *rmmod* ?
[10:08] <mdz> sabdfl: yes
[10:08] <davmor2> sabdfl: you can blacklist it if it works but yes
[10:09] <mdz> see bug 319825
[10:09] <sabdfl> interesting hardware approach by acer
[10:10] <sabdfl> lool: part of the notification system is a set of persistent indicators on the panel
[10:10] <sabdfl> to handle things like "joe just IM'd me, I want to reply"
[10:10] <sabdfl> we take away "buttons on notifications" but we add "persistent indicators"
[10:10] <sabdfl> the indicator applet is a gnome-panel host for those persistent indicators
[10:10] <lool> sabdfl: If there's no dependency between this and the alsdorf, we could include it
[10:10] <sabdfl> that's installed in my image
[10:11] <sabdfl> lool: there's no dependency
[10:11] <sabdfl> but they should both be installed
[10:11] <lool> Ok
[10:11] <sabdfl> the applet is installed and on the panel (yay!)
[10:11] <lool> Yeah I wondered why I couldn't do anything with it yesterday
[10:15] <lool> sabdfl: So I'm adding indicator-messages, evolution-indicator, and pidgin-libnotify to the seed; thanks
[10:15] <sabdfl> thanks lool, you rock
[10:15] <sabdfl> is the seed also published as a task?
[10:15] <lool> Yes
[10:15] <lool> Task-Description: Ubuntu Netbook Remix
[10:18] <lool> StevenK: ^^^ seed update
[10:18] <sabdfl> looks great, i just found it as mobile-netbook-remix
[10:18] <davmor2> lool: is that going to require a re-spin or will this be for after beta?
[10:18] <lool> davmor2: It's for post beta
[10:18] <davmor2> lool: phew
[10:18] <lool> davmor2: It needs an upload of mobile-meta and a respin
[10:18] <davmor2> lool: no, no after beta is fine with me :)
[10:19] <lool> StevenK: I wonder whether we should be tracking changes to the desktop seeds more effectively, perhaps either by matter of bzr merges or by having a common seed just like desktop-common, but for GNOME-ish seeds
[10:21] <lool> ogra: around?
[10:22] <lool> ogra: mdz said your imagewriter was great and we should consider having it in universe if usb-creator support is too late; do you know how we stand with usb-creator?
[10:22] <lool> ogra: (this started on #ubuntu-devel)
[10:31] <ogra> lool, yes, saw that, i havent done anything with -creator
[10:31] <ogra> lool, -imagewriter has a plasma frontend though (NCommander wrote it during UDS) while -creator is gnome only
[10:31] <lool> ogra: I would still recommend we work on merging these relatively close tools, but for jaunty could you pick up packaging of imagewriter?  or perhaps NCommander?
[10:31] <lool> (in universe is fine)
[10:31] <ogra> its packaged since intrepid (the gnome part)
[10:32] <ogra> just didnt make it into the archive because pitti didnt like my dd hack
[10:32] <lool> Eh
[10:32] <ogra> i *do* like it though
[10:32] <lool> Well could you work on fixing that or convincing him then?
[10:32] <ogra> and didnt like to change it
[10:32] <ogra> i'll try
[11:30] <davmor2> lool: AAO the linpus lite works in the same manner you need to press the button to wake it
[11:31] <davmor2> I replied to the list but mail is in queque to be approved I must not of changed mailing address :(
[11:35] <lool> davmor2: it doesn't really confirm whether it's a BIOS or userspace issue; the reverse would have proven the contrary though :)
[11:36] <lool> davmor2: It could be a BIOS bug or a BIOS know or an userspace bug
[11:36] <lool> It's certainly not hardware as it detects lid closure and doesn't respond to the power button as long as the lid is clsoed (for me)
[11:36] <davmor2> lool: iirc you had to do the same with xp too
[11:36] <lool> davmor2: That's interesting
[11:37] <lool> I guess this points strongly at a BIOS bug; I wish we had tools to point these out
[11:38] <davmor2> in fact if memory serves you had the flashy button on any acer you shut the lid on.  I'll double check the next time I'm in a computer shop :)
[12:13] <davmor2> lool has something happened to the install icon when I installed end of last week it was in favourites
[12:16] <lool> persia: ^ is this related to your recent changes?
[12:16] <davmor2> lool just reading sabdfl's mail
[12:19] <persia> lool, No.  The only change to casper I have pending is related to showing Install on MID, and I attempted an alternate development workflow, which ended up not being the right model.
[12:19] <persia> I've not otherwise changed it for some time, and the favourites change for UNR should have been there for quite a while.
[12:21] <davmor2> persia: wasn't in alpha 6 but was afterwards
[12:22] <lool> davmor2: No idea then
[12:22] <persia> davmor2, Right.  Ought still be there.
[12:22] <lool> favorites are handled in the launcher package
[12:22] <persia> No.
[12:23] <davmor2> lool:  I'll take a look after
[12:23] <persia> The install icon only appears in favourites because of casper hacks.
[12:25] <davmor2> lool, persia: downloading now about 5mins left
[12:25] <lool> I think favorites handling has changed; but there's no changelog
[12:26] <davmor2> make that 4minutes
[12:26] <persia> davmor2, Great.  Let me know if it isn't there, and stick casper.log in a bug.
[12:26] <davmor2> persia: np's
[12:31] <davmor2> transfering to usb now
[12:35] <ogra> sabdfl, the new notification system has probs with the clutter based launcher (the same probs you run into if you try to run compiz with the launcher, the composite handling of clutter clashes with other systems, njpatel can surely elaborate)
[12:36] <ogra> i think thats the reason why notifications are not there by default
[12:36] <ogra> lool, ^^^
[12:39] <ogra> (i'm only talking about notify-osd here btw ... we could probably add a gconf switch that anforces it to not run in composite mode (i.e. like it does in metacity), that should solve the probs)
[12:39] <ogra> *enforces
[12:40] <davmor2> sabdfl, lool, persia: The installer is it favourites next to pidgin
[12:41] <davmor2> It might benefit from being to right of the pidgin rather than the left
[12:41] <persia> That's where it belongs :)  Thanks for the confirmation.
[12:41] <persia> The order isn't preset: it comes from the sort order of the menu entry string values.  Since "Install" is before "Pidgin", it comes to the left.
[12:42] <davmor2> but I'm guessing it's cause it is in alphabetical that it is to the left
[14:23] <lool> ogra: this is not about the notification bubbles
[14:23] <lool> ogra: I've had this discussion with sabdfl already
[14:23] <lool> ogra: It's about the message indicator in the panel
[14:23] <ogra> lool, but we could make them work if notify-osd had a gconf key to switch to non-composite mode
[14:24] <lool> ogra: This is not about notify-osd
[14:24] <ogra> wouldnt look as pretty as composite ones, but we wouldnt lose the functionallity
[14:24] <ogra> i understand that
[14:25] <ogra> (thats why i added the line in brackets below :) )
[18:02] <ian_brasil> is there a how to on touch screens anywhere?


[00:00] <nomic> thought was somewhere else
[04:47] <xubuntu67o> from the website \o/
[04:47] <pleia2> that works :)
[05:04] <lionroars> does xubuntu support 3d haswell graphics?
[06:12] <cyborgcygnus> Ello. I forget how you share files over a network on xubuntu. I'm trying to share between to linux pc's, one xubuntu & the other linux mint xfce
[08:14] <borw3> Guys, in my laptop whenever I suspend and close the lid and open it some time later xubuntu refuses to display anything after the password input.
[09:33] <mall> Xhello!
[09:33] <mall>  I can't change screen brigthness on an asus eeepc 1001xpd! latest xubuntu. Any ideas?
[10:09] <mad_> Please verify or reject the following: Xubuntu 14.04 has 3-year support for all packages from the xubuntu repositories. But it also uses the standard ubuntu repositories and after three years, I will keep getting updates for kernel and most system-relevant packages for another 2 years. Correct?
[10:35] <mad_> Please verify or reject the following: Xubuntu 14.04 has 3-year support for all packages from the xubuntu repositories. But it also uses the standard ubuntu repositories and after three years, I will keep getting updates for kernel and most system-relevant packages for another 2 years. Correct?
[10:37] <|zer0|> just trying to update system and got error that /boot is full.  I have tried 'sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get clean' with no luck
[10:39] <mad_> First make sure /boot is mounted. A simple 'sudo mount /boot' should work. Then try 'df -h /boot' and tell us how big your boot partition is and how much data is on there.
[10:40] <|zer0|> says /boot is already mounted.
[10:41] <mad_> That is okay.
[10:41] <mad_> Now tell us what df says
[10:42] <|zer0|> size 236mb, used = 162mb, avail = 62mb
[10:42] <|zer0|> update is 83mb
[10:43] <mad_> Must admit that I am not running *buntu myself right now. But usually a kernel with some iniramfs etc. should be 10mb, maybe 20mb max. With 4-5 old kernels, needing more than 100mb space sounds kinda strange to me.
[10:43] <mad_> Which update? A kernelupdate that is 83mb? Sounds strange.
[10:45] <xubuntu59o> shooud i get 14.10or 14.04
[10:46] <|zer0|> doesnt have anything in technical description, it is xubuntu base = 64.1mb which includes a hap of updates
[10:47] <brainwash> running "sudo apt-get autoremove" should remove older kernels
[10:47] <mad_> xubuntu59o: 14.10 has more current software - most tools are at the state of about one month ago. 14.04 has software that is usually at least from the state from one year ago. But 14.04 is being update for the next 3 years, while 14.10 only for one afaik.
[10:47] <xubuntu59o> so 14.10
[10:48] <brainwash> 14.10 is still a development release
[10:48] <mad_> xubuntu59o: That means: If you plan to use more recent software and have no issus with updating the whole distro agian next year, go for 14.10. If you want the PC just installed and not bothered anylonger for 3-4 more years (just the standard automatic updates in the background), go for 14.04
[10:49] <mad_> zer0, sorry, cannot help you there.
 I get the following 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 31 not to upgrade
[10:49] <|zer0|> :(
[10:50] <|zer0|> google search time
[10:51] <mad_> Please verify or reject the following: Xubuntu 14.04 has 3-year support for all packages from the xubuntu repositories. But it also uses the standard ubuntu repositories and after three years, I will keep getting updates for kernel and most system-relevant packages for another 2 years. Correct?
[10:54] <bluesabre> mad_: correct.  Everything in the "main" archive will continue to be maintained for a total of 5 years. Xubuntu and Xfce packages will be maintained only for a three-year support cycle.
[11:00] <xubuntu59o> f u all i go OPEN SUSE
 thin I have igre out my issue  :)
[11:02] <|zer0|> think i have figured out my issue even
[11:02] <|zer0|> xubuntu59o = tool
[11:05] <facepalm> Don't feed the trolls.
[11:07] <|zer0|> Appears when I do sudo apt-get clean it is not removing old kernels, I found my current kernel using cmd: uname -a = kernel 3.13.0-16
[11:08] <|zer0|> I then used cmd: dpkg -l 'linux-*' | sed '/^ii/!d;/'"$(uname -r | sed "s/\(.*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/")"'/d;s/^[^ ]* [^ ]* \([^ ]*\).*/\1/;/[0-9]/!d;/^linux-\(headers\|image\)/!d'
[11:08] <|zer0|>  which showed me all kernels not in use.
[11:08] <|zer0|> then cleaned all unused using cmd: sudo apt-get purge -y linux-headers-<version>
[11:10] <|zer0|> boot now clean and update progressing
[11:43] <|zer0|> trying to log into alternate channel and getting "you need to be identified with services" I have already registered and identified myself into freenode, could there be another issue?
[11:44] <bazhang> -NickServ- |zer0| has NOT COMPLETED registration verification
[11:44] <bazhang> more help in #freenode
[11:46] <|zer0|> lets try again, thanks <bazhang>
[11:47] <|zer0|> |zer0| has now been verified. thanks again <bazhang>
[11:47] <bazhang> np
[12:17] <NeedaHelpida> hi
[12:20] <NeedaHelpida> so can make my Destop PC windows have 2 users same time so whoewer is siting on PC and watch indernet and other stuff and on second user i istall TeamViewer and Dropbox and Unity3d and connetc from my linux laptop whit wifi lan, the point is i dont want to use some shit stuff like wine to use Unity
[12:22] <NeedaHelpida> ???
[12:23] <koegs> NeedaHelpida: you should ask a windows-channel for that :)
[12:23] <NeedaHelpida> no no i am linux user
[12:23] <NeedaHelpida> just dont want to use wine
[12:24] <NeedaHelpida> anywey know any good windows channel
[12:24] <koegs> NeedaHelpida: #windows
[12:58] <nomic> i need the alternative (non graphical) install of 14.04
[12:59] <nomic> how do I connect to wlan0 from the minimal cd
[12:59] <nomic> I've got that (minimal cd is the alternative - non graphical) install
[13:00] <nomic> ive done it before I just don't know how on this - to get my wireless
[13:00] <nomic> depressed .. this should be simple
[13:01] <nomic> says configuring network with dhcp I just want it to connect through wireless
[13:01] <nomic> network confirugation failed
[13:01] <nomic> then I can't get through to the archive
[13:02] <nomic> previous net install worked
[13:02] <nomic> this is crap -- why have the deprecated the alterative install
[13:02] <nomic> was NEEDED
[13:03] <nomic> im moving to lubuntu
[13:03] <nomic> you do not care
[13:04] <voidfire> nomic
[13:04] <voidfire> maybe sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
[13:05] <nomic> i have booted the min install -- how can I do that
[13:05] <voidfire> dont u have a terminal?
[13:05] <nomic> what would that give me
[13:05] <nomic> I want it to conenct to my wlan0
[13:06] <voidfire> the ability to type the commant I told ya?
[13:06] <voidfire> your wlan0 is an interface
[13:06] <voidfire> u want your wlan0 to connect to wifi
[13:06] <nomic> bin/sh sudo not found
[13:06] <nomic> this is on the mini install
[13:06] <voidfire> let me see
[13:07] <nomic> why coulnd't they maintain the alterative instlal -- lubuntu does
[13:07] <nomic> is NEEDED
[13:07] <voidfire> i use xubuntu but idk
[13:07] <nomic> always was
[13:07] <voidfire> do
[13:07] <voidfire> apt-get install wireless-tools wpasupplicant
[13:07] <nomic> its gone on 14.04
[13:07] <voidfire> ifconfig wlan0 up
[13:07] <nomic> how can I apt-get if i'm not connected
[13:07] <nomic> understand
[13:07] <nomic> i booted the mini iso
[13:08] <nomic> there is nothing on it
[13:08] <voidfire> oh lol true
[13:08] <voidfire> iwconfig is in it?
[13:08] <nomic> im downloading lubuntu
[13:08] <nomic> 14.04 is dead to me
[13:08] <nomic> it won't install anymore on old kit
[13:09] <nomic> not happy really -- another ubuntu becomes unuseable
[13:10] <nomic> it was always the case that the graphical (alternative) install, was a fallback position -- enabling installation anywhere .. required, important -- suddenly, they decide not to use it anymore
[13:10] <nomic> thats the end of xubuntu for me
[13:30] <GridCube> nomic, at the level where you seem to be having problems, changing desktops wont make such a difference, you probably need to change distros allthogheter :) hope you have good luck
[13:36] <nomic> lubuntu
[13:36] <nomic> if xubuntu had alternative instlal would be able to use it
[13:59] <suncokret> nomic, do you use xubuntu?
[13:59] <nomic> yeah
[13:59] <nomic> til now
[13:59] <nomic> used it since 10.04
[14:00] <suncokret> i use lubuntu
[14:00] <nomic> well im watching it install now -- have had it briefly on machines before
[14:00] <nomic> > a year ago
[14:00] <nomic> I believe it is more widely used now -- mainstream .. ie. xubuntu is well down the rankings
[14:00] <suncokret> i like more LXDE than XFCE
[14:01] <nomic> hmm .. please tell me why
[14:01] <nomic> lubuntu 11th (distro watch) xubuntu 22nd
[14:01] <suncokret> i used windows xp before, and lxde is more similar to xp
[14:02] <nomic> well as if that is an advantage ?  xp is 15 years old
[14:02] <nomic> xp is nothing
[14:02] <nomic> xp is windows 95
[14:02] <suncokret> LXDE is lighter than XFCE
[14:02] <nomic> well good
[14:02] <nomic> cos .. I run old kit
[14:02] <suncokret> i use 32 bit lubuntu
[14:03] <suncokret> and it use just about 115MB of ram
[14:03] <nomic> wow
[14:03] <nomic> i just got the most amazing deal a 16gb hp workstation 4 core processor .. 1tb disk for £189
[14:04] <nomic> refurb ie. its old office stuff -- what I run
[14:04] <nomic> pleased because I get the 1tb disk also
[14:04] <nomic> never had a 1tb disk
[14:04] <suncokret> and now i don't need terminal in lubuntu, everything i can set from gui
[14:04] <nomic> well #i need a termnal
[14:04] <nomic> in genral
[14:05] <suncokret> so you more like xubuntu than lubuntu?
[14:05] <nomic> i don't know yet suncokret
[14:05] <nomic> i just hope it does a job -- because xubuntu won't install on this new machine
[14:05] <nomic> 14.04
[14:05] <nomic> 12.04 will
[14:06] <suncokret> i didn't see advantage in XFCE, it just eat more ram
[14:06] <suncokret> i use lubuntu 14.04 and it is best version of lubunu
[14:06] <suncokret> *lubuntu
[14:07] <nomic> i think it'll be similar enough to xubuntu
[14:07] <nomic> so I don't get problems
[14:08] <nomic> I really don't want to have to be tinkering about with the OS
[14:08] <nomic> I just want nfs ssh etc
[14:08] <nomic> few other things
[14:08] <nomic> does it have synaptic?
[14:08] <suncokret> what is nfs?
[14:08] <nomic> network filing system
[14:08] <suncokret> it have synaptic
[14:09] <knome> you can install all the applications which are available in the repositories in any flavor
[14:09] <nomic> whats your 32 bit machine
[14:09] <suncokret> yes, diference is only in gui
[14:09] <suncokret> and some programs
[14:09] <suncokret> for example file manager
[14:10] <nomic> nautilus will work?
[14:10] <suncokret> it will, but default is pcmanfm
[14:10] <suncokret> but i use double commander
[14:10] <suncokret> it is best file manager for linux
[14:10] <knome> can you take the general preferences/flavors/computers discussion to #xubuntu-offtopic, please?
[14:19] <nomic> ah well lubuntu won't install either
[14:22] <Wollie88> nomic, why is it not installing ? are you getting an error ?
[14:23] <nomic> it installs then it just gives me a blank screen (wont boot)
[14:23] <genii> !nomodeset
[14:29] <nomic> how do I reset that if I can't get in?
[14:30] <Hedgework> nomic: Alt+F1 may drop you to a usable terminal
[14:30] <nomic> doesn't
[14:31] <Hedgework> nomic: Okay, I missed the beginning, are you on an install of xubuntu right now, or booting from the livecd?
[14:31] <nomic> I try to install 14.04 ..it won't even boot the install
[14:32] <nomic> its  a hp workstation xw6400 with 16gb ram, that ran 12.04 .. same machine with 4gb of ram, installs xubuntu 14.04
[14:32] <nomic> maybe I swap the graphics card
[14:32] <Hedgework> nomic: You're trying to do 64bit, I assume?
[14:32] <nomic> cos I have another graphics card
[14:33] <nomic> yeah
[14:33] <nomic> ill swap graphics crd from other machine to see if it's that
[14:33] <nomic> maybe gets me forward (idea)
[14:33] <nomic> brb
[14:33] <Hedgework> Could be.  Otherwise, we can try other things, but I'm at work for ~7 more hours, so my ability to help is limited.
[14:39] <nomic> hey thanks
[14:40] <nomic> thinking .. more likely to be graphics card than ram ... same machine with less ram diff graph card runs 14.04
[14:40] <nomic> am trying it now will report back .. inst. x 14.04
[14:45] <nomic> YES.
[14:45]  * Hedgework cheers
[14:45] <Hedgework> Glad you got it working.
[14:45] <nomic> i get further -- which means it installs .. was some diff graphics card .. I have been getting stnadard type .. this machine came with something I didn't ercognise -- luckily .. before I bought the machine I bought a replacement graphics card to try to get previous machine working
[14:45] <nomic> so its all good
[14:45]  * nomic continues to use xubuntu
[14:45] <nomic> thanks
[14:45] <Hedgework> :)
[14:46] <Hedgework> np
[14:46] <nomic> wut do you work at hedgework
[14:46] <nomic> programming?
[14:46] <Hedgework> nomic: infosec
[14:46] <Hedgework> nomic: so I code some, do the sysadmin thing some, and a bunch of other stuff.
[14:47] <knome> nomic, please take the non-support questions to #xubuntu-offtopic.
[15:28] <mad__> Anyone else experincing issues with grub not being installed correctly with the current xubuntut 14.04 image?
[15:36] <genii> mad__: Nope. I installed a couple days ago now on my Acer D260 hard drive no issues, and also onto a USB stick without issue. No EFI there though
[15:58] <xubuntu65w> Hi all, I got graphic card issue on an hp compaq 6910p  the screen goes blank at random times and will not go back on until I do a hard reset since a few updates, it is frustrating because even when I just do some codding for a nes projeck it goes blank...
[19:29] <knosys> Im a bit scared. After installing few packages , i realized that i dont really need them. So i --purge remove them. But bash tell me that a lot of dependency packages will not be removed until i "apt-get autoremove"
[19:29] <knosys> so i did that
[19:30] <knosys> and its doing a long proccess, and things im reading are scary like: found /dev/sda5 on ...
[19:30] <knosys> its a bad idea to perform "apt-get autoremove" for cleaning dependence packages i dont need anymore?
[19:31] <genii> knosys: No, it's fine.
[19:31] <knosys> thanks
[19:31] <Unit193> I like apt-get autoremove --purge; apt-get autoclean
[19:32] <knosys> one question, i was trying to installing qt4. In website , where i read i need it they dont specify what package. And there is a lot. I need it to compile a little application. The thing its.. there is qt4-dev , and lot of more things. each of them have different lot of packages
[19:32] <knosys> i feel i could mess my system just trying wich one would be
[19:32] <knosys> you guys know what can that website mean with "qut4"?
[19:32] <knosys> qt4*
[19:33] <brainwash> that website? which one?
[19:35] <knosys> https://code.google.com/p/ip-changer/wiki/INSTALL
[19:35] <knosys> there
[19:35] <knosys> its a little program that change the target IP of a game, to connect it do different game-servers
[19:38] <brainwash> it's quite old
[19:38] <knosys> the other one uses wxWidgets... and oh lord.. thats was complicated to install for me
[19:39] <knosys> :P
[19:39] <knosys> last time i tried i brokeup the OS, messing with /etc/enviroment and ./profile
[19:40] <knosys> the ~/.profile i mean
[19:41] <brainwash> well, you will have to install the dev packages then, qt4 and libboost
[19:41] <brainwash> maybe it's worth to set up a virtual machine and test it
[19:42] <brainwash> or boot into live mode
[19:42] <knosys> if i have to do it
[19:43] <brainwash> this way you won't mess with your actual system
[19:43] <knosys> wich one would you choose? the one i already told you, or this one? https://code.google.com/p/linux-tibia-ip-changer/
[19:44] <brainwash> the second one, it's python
[19:44] <knosys> maybe ok, thanks you
[19:45] <knosys> withouth maybe*
[20:41] <brent2> Nominating this for inclusion in the official repos: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/10/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings-gui.html
[20:44] <elfy> brent2: we postponed that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-features
[20:44] <elfy> maybe 15.04
[20:50] <brent2> darn
[20:50] <brent2> it's nice!
[20:50] <brent2> how come it's postponed elfy ?
[20:51] <elfy> not sure - time perhaps
[20:52] <elfy> wrong channel really - if you want to know why - best thing would be to ask in xubuntu-devel
[20:53] <knosys> Hey guys, any of you have installed wxWidgets on trusty?
[22:59] <xubuntu968> who clicked the irc link on installer, works
[22:59] <xubuntu968> I'm installing xubuntu in a VM because I assume it will be less shit than ubuntu with 3d
[23:01] <xubuntu968> the list of sofrware listed during install is depressing
[23:59] <roninn> I'm trying to connect to with x11vnc to a xubuntu machine, but I only get a black screen after connecting, that doesn't response to user input
[23:59] <roninn> any ideas


[02:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 803 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/09/04/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-803/
[02:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Empowering government innovation: a secure path to open source excellence @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/empowering-government-innovation-a-secure-path-to-open-source-excellence
[12:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 803 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/09/04/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-803/


[09:19] <PaulW2U> blogosphere summaries completed
[16:30] <pleia2> PaulW2U: yay :)
[16:31] <pleia2> layover in NYC, I'll have a look at status when I'm seated somewhere
[17:39]  * pleia2 gets to it
[17:47] <tsimonq2> pleia2: Count me in. ;)
[17:48] <pleia2> tsimonq2: there are a couple summaries that need written (phone and press), around to pitch in?
[17:53] <tsimonq2> pleia2: Yep, working on it.
[17:54] <pleia2> ty
[18:02] <tsimonq2> pleia2: Looks good to me.
[18:04] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue485
[18:05] <pleia2> shipped off to editors