[02:02] <wangel> hello everyone.  I have a semi-noob question I think, heh
[02:02] <wangel> I was running mythtv on stand alone box.  Both frontend/backend and I had a 2nd frontend.  I decided to go a bit more advanced.
[02:03] <wangel> I built another computer to act as a standalone backend.  It's up and working, however ... I have 1 frontend streaming frmo it, and mythbackend is using 60% cpu in top
[02:03] <wangel> is this normal?
[02:03] <wangel> I can stop and restart mythbackend, and it will only use like 8% ... but it slowly seems to get worse?
[02:04] <wangel> for reference, the old box was an E4300 cpu.  The new box is an amd X4 640
[02:04] <wangel> 8 gigs of ram
[02:04] <wangel> and I'm using an hdhomerun
[02:04] <wangel> theo nly difference is the new backend doesn't have an nvidia card in it that's doing vpdau, but that should not matter?
[02:09] <wangel> maybe that's not a noob question, lol
[13:10] <wangel> hello all
[17:23] <baggar11> I seem to be getting audio drift on 720p channels in mythbuntu 12.04. Where should I be looking to track that down?
[17:24] <baggar11> It seems to drift after a couple minutes of viewing. If I pause and unpause, it syncs up again though
[17:24] <baggar11> for another couple minutes...
[17:28] <rhpot1991> baggar11: running autobuilds?
[17:28] <baggar11> nope, stock install
[17:30] <rhpot1991> baggar11: try that see if it helps
[17:33] <baggar11> doesn't the autobuild update mythtv to 0.26?
[17:36] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: ^ ?
[17:38] <rhpot1991> .25, .26, and .27 I think
[17:38] <rhpot1991> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-dev/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-common/view/head:/repos.db
[17:38] <rhpot1991> baggar11: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos
[17:38] <rhpot1991> if you are worried just backup your db first
[17:40] <tgm4883> whats the question?
[17:40] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: what version of mythtv is available for autobuilds on 12.04
[17:40] <rhpot1991> I think I got it already
[17:40] <tgm4883> up to 0.27
[17:41] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, that isn't a good link to look at though
[17:41] <tgm4883> http://download.mythbuntu.org/repos/repos.db
[17:41] <tgm4883> !repos
[17:41] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[17:41] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: our page needs to be updated then
[17:41] <rhpot1991> thats where I found that, in the faqs
[17:41] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, yea it does
[17:43] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, fixed
[17:43] <tgm4883> superm1, we do need to do an import of that file into -common though
[18:03] <wangel> so I got a ... wierd one.  I just built a Backend only system.  AMD X4 6400, 8gigs of ram etc.  The system seems fine for awhile, but if I am using 1 frontend to watch tv, the cpu jumps to like 60+% .. if I attach another frontend, the cpu goes to 110% and more and the video is jerky.  I'm on a gig network, sata drives, using an hdhomerun.   I can stop and restart the mythbackend service, reattach the frontends and cpu usage is like 3% or
[18:06] <wangel> X4 640 rather, sorry
[18:21] <superm1> tgm4883: doesn't it download on demand?
[18:21] <superm1> like when MCC is open
[18:47] <tgm4883> superm1, it downloads when you refresh it, but I'm pretty sure it needs a valid starting point
[18:47] <tgm4883> superm1, so if it doesn't have any values for raring, it will throw errors
[18:48] <tgm4883> superm1, rather, we should just fix it to auto-download if the file doesn't already exist
[18:48] <tgm4883> superm1, sound good?
[20:49] <superm1> yeah that sounds good
[20:49] <superm1> raring doesn't work for other reason too though :)


[18:39] <Joker[m]> I have the problem that suddenly flatpak apps didn't have sound anymore (chrome)
[18:39] <Joker[m]> someone knows how to fix this?
[18:39] <Joker[m]> Ubuntu 22.04
[18:41]  * Joker[m] uploaded an image: (34KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/iUoyDUuqtkzPTLpeWzosQnxP/image.png >
[18:42] <Joker[m]> the sound source is spawned, but no sound anymore
 "the sound source is spawned, but..." <- hmm works now, don't know why ...


[00:17] <dr_willis> Hmm.. Noticed a little bug. in nautilus file manager, select a file and 'cut'   go to another location and select paste.. it works. but the paste menu item is actually 'greyed' out as if its not supposed to be selectable.
[00:18] <trism> dr_willis: bug 973491
[00:19] <dr_willis> Hmm.. seems almost like the 6th menu item on the context menu is always greyed out.  then theres some  other items i seem to be noticeing this with also
[00:19] <dr_willis> like 'rename ....'
[00:20] <dr_willis> theres some 'organize by name..' item that seems totally out of place also.. ;)    - sure to be fixed soon i imagine.
[00:21] <trism> dr_willis: supposed to be fixed in gtk but I don't think it is in quantal yet
[00:29] <dr_willis> file manager progress. :) 3 steps forward 2 back .... oh wait.. thats computer/gui/everything progress
[00:30] <dr_willis> Now to figure out why vlc cant seem to play these videos that mplayer can.
[00:39] <dr_willis> also noticed somthing odd with ntfs-3g, it can aparently make files with names on a NTFS partiion that have characters in the names that windows does NOT like. :) when dual booted to windows, the videos wouldent even play, or let me rename, or move them.
[00:40] <dr_willis> seemed there was a : in the names in some cases, other times in think there was a , (i should of jotted down the names)
[01:54] <DracoDanLRPC> is 3.5.0-11 the latest kernel?
[01:54] <trism> DracoDanLRPC: -13 is the latest, with -14 in proposed
[01:54] <DracoDanLRPC> ugh, so my fucking build still wont auto-update to the latest kernel
[01:55] <DracoDanLRPC> whats the command again to fix the weirdo grub for ubuntu?
[01:55] <IdleOne> Please mind the language
[01:55] <DracoDanLRPC> oh, I don't mind at all
[01:55] <IdleOne> well, I do. Please don't swear in any Ubuntu channels
[01:56] <DracoDanLRPC> well I swear....
[01:56] <DracoDanLRPC> :-)
[01:57] <DracoDanLRPC> that was supposed to come across as having a particular southern draw, not just stating that "I do indeed swear"
[01:58] <DracoDanLRPC> dang I've turned into a lightweight, one captain and coke and I'm working on my Linux box, cussin in IRC, and talking to myself, it's just like the good ol days!
[01:58]  * DracoDanLRPC points out that he said dang instead of damn
[02:01] <DracoDanLRPC> so.... I ran "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" and the result is kernel 3.5.0-11, could someone please help me?
[02:02] <Daekdroom> DracoDanLRPC, have you tried apt-get dist-upgrade instead?
[02:02] <DracoDanLRPC> nope!
[02:02]  * DracoDanLRPC wants yum
[02:02] <DracoDanLRPC> one sec, coming back up....
[02:03] <DracoDanLRPC> what's the logical difference?
[02:04] <DracoDanLRPC> also, thanks, that fixed it!
[02:04] <Daekdroom> dist-upgrade is able to remove/install new packages in order to solve dependency issues.
[02:04] <Daekdroom> A kernel upgrade is pulled in as a dependency change for a metapackage ('linux', I think, in this case)
[02:10] <DracoDanLRPC> strange approach...
[02:10] <DracoDanLRPC> thanks again
[02:10] <Daekdroom> Not really a strange approach. It allows users to keep multiple kernel versions installed (in case an update breaks something)
[02:11] <DracoDanLRPC> yum install kernel-<version>-*
[02:11] <DracoDanLRPC> problem? just choose the old kernel from grub
[02:11] <Daekdroom> But that's exactly how it works in Ubuntu.
[02:11] <DracoDanLRPC> no problem? just remove the old kernel
[02:12] <DracoDanLRPC> oh, the command is the only thing I'm complaining about, it doesn't clearly descibe what is being done IMO
[02:12] <DracoDanLRPC> or maybe I'm just too set in my ways, lol
[02:13] <Daekdroom> Also, update-manager offers to install the kernel update packages by default, so...
[02:13] <DracoDanLRPC> THAT is the command I was trying to remember earlier!
[02:14] <Daekdroom> It is available through the system menu at top right of your screen..
[02:14] <DracoDanLRPC> lol
[02:14] <DracoDanLRPC> top right?  that's all black
[02:14] <Daekdroom> or it used to be, idk
[02:14] <DracoDanLRPC> just like the bootom right...
[02:14] <Daekdroom> don't you see the "power cog" at top right?
[02:14] <DracoDanLRPC> or anywhere that there isn't text :-P
[02:15] <DracoDanLRPC> sorry, trying to be funny here, I don't use a GUI, it's a server
[02:15] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[02:15] <DracoDanLRPC> heh
[02:15] <Daekdroom> Well, update-manager is a GUI, so it's for no use in a server.
[02:15] <DracoDanLRPC> yeah
[02:16] <DracoDanLRPC> there was another CLI update utility though...
[02:17] <Daekdroom> aptitude?
[02:18] <DracoDanLRPC> not sure, apt-get works well enoguh knowing the dist-upgrade options.
[02:18] <DracoDanLRPC> moving on, do you or anyone else have any experience with targetcli?
[02:19] <DracoDanLRPC> I was hoping the updates would fix the issue I'm having, but it doesnt...
[02:23] <DracoDanLRPC> GOOGLE FOR THE SAVE!
[02:24] <DracoDanLRPC> the instructions for this stuff sucks... bad
[02:55] <em> good evening
[03:34] <md_5> Any ideas on window titles being too big? http://screencloud.net/v/7taz I reckon its fontconfig or something
[03:37] <trism> md_5: maybe configure the window title font in myunity/gnome-tweak-tool?
[03:37] <md_5> o.O myuntity crashes on start now
[03:37]  * md_5 installs gone tweak
[03:39] <md_5> trism according to this my window title font is cantarell bold or something
[03:40] <md_5> Changed it to Ubuntu 11pt and now it looks normal :D
[03:40] <md_5> thanks trijntje
[03:40] <md_5> *trism
[03:40] <Daekdroom> The default is Ubuntu Bold
[03:40] <md_5> Daekdroom 11pt?
[03:40] <Daekdroom> Yep
[03:41] <md_5> yeah that works too
[03:41] <md_5> How do dynamic workspaces work?
[03:42] <jbicha> md_5: dynamic workspaces is a GNOME Shell feature, it doesn't do anything in Unity
[03:42] <md_5> okey
[03:52] <wxl> hey anyone here having trouble with add-apt-repository??
[03:53] <md_5> wxl no
[03:53] <wilee-nilee> wxl, Have you tried another server by changing it in software sources?
[03:54] <wxl> md_5: yeah i got some weird erorr when trying to do it with ppa:lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily
[03:54] <wxl> something about a module missing
[03:54] <wxl> if your'e specifying a particular ppa, doesn't it specify the server, wilee-nilee ?
[03:54] <wilee-nilee> wxl, can you pasetbin the apt-get command and all the text?
[03:55] <wxl> i knew you were going to ask that  :)
[03:55] <wxl> one sec
[03:56] <wilee-nilee> wxl, Ah I see add repository, you are right but the paste bin should give us the info we need.
[03:58] <wxl> wilee-nilee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1192019/
[04:00] <wilee-nilee> wxl, looks correct what distro and release are you running?
[04:00] <wxl> that looks correct? O_O never did that before. lubuntu 12.10
[04:01] <wxl> like it doesn't try to add the gpg for example
[04:02] <wxl> if i knew how to register it, i'd just do it and add to sources.list manually
[04:02] <wxl> but sadly, there's a little magic to that script XD
[04:06] <wilee-nilee> wxl, you can put the ppa in sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list   the save the key in home and add it in software sources. Not sure of that error though I could post my /usr/bin/add-apt-repository file for you to compare.
[04:07] <wilee-nilee> then*
[04:08] <wxl> wilee-nilee: there's no command line tool to register to the gpg key besides add-apt-repository, right? in any case, i'd love to see your version of the script
[04:10] <wilee-nilee> wxl, you just save the key in home or you can and add it to the list is software sources, I'm sure there is a command I forget where they are all stored, it is just a a ppa though
[04:10] <wilee-nilee> or=and
[04:11] <wxl> works for me, wilee-nilee. you got a pastebin for me? what version of python-software-properties do you have? that seems to be the package the script is in
[04:11] <wilee-nilee> wxl, since you are see an error related to this file it might help to compare, maybe. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1192027/
[04:11] <h00k> woah buddy. rsyslogd is going nuts.
[04:12] <wilee-nilee> wxl, mine is just a stock precise
[04:12] <h00k> gave me a nice 2.3gb file, chewing up my CPU :(
[04:12] <wxl> well that's no +1 XD
[04:13] <wilee-nilee> that is just my /usr/bin/add-apt-repository file
[05:23] <Adie_> :x
[05:24] <IdleOne> Adie_: from that screen shot you posted it looks like your graphics drivers are not installed
[05:24] <Adie_>  sure! It told me it was going to run in low display mode, or w/e
[05:24] <Adie_> though...
[05:25] <Adie_> in the middle of my update while I was still in 12.04, it broke like this
[05:25] <Adie_> and the restarted like this ^_^
[05:25] <Adie_> after the updates were complete
[05:25] <IdleOne> ok. can you try alt-F2 and type gksudo jockey-gtk
[05:26] <IdleOne> *in the little box IF it appears
[05:26] <Adie_> alt+f2 doesn't do anything, nor does ctrl+shift+f1
[05:26] <Adie_> perhaps because I can not leave focus from chrome?
[05:26] <IdleOne> ctrl-alt-f1
[05:26] <IdleOne> not shift
[05:26] <Adie_> that doens't do anything either
[05:27] <IdleOne> ok, reboot and at the login screen click on the gear icon and select Unity 2D
[05:27] <Adie_> okay, I will give that a try ^_^
[05:27] <IdleOne> that should give you a working desktop
[05:27] <Adie_> be back ^_^
[05:28] <IdleOne> then you can come back to this channel and maybe someone can help sort out the drivers issue
[05:31] <Adie> okay!
[05:32] <IdleOne> Got a working desktop now?
[05:32] <Adie> I didn't have an option for unity 2d, but I am in on gnome classic
[05:35] <Adie> ima try to install my drivers from AMD and see if that works =]
[11:03] <cebor> hi how can i upgrade to ubuntu 12.10 ? update-manager -d has no effect
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hey All
[12:04] <penguin42> Hey BluesKaj
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hi penguin42
[12:08]  * MCR1 is removing Kernel 3.6-RC4 again, because it still breaks SSL completely
[12:09] <MCR1> :-/
[12:09]  * MCR1 now suddenly remembers why he already removed 3.6-RC1 from Quantal
[12:13]  * MCR1 is back on 3.5 again and feeling better now
[12:13]  * bekks uses 3.6 rc4 :P
[12:15]  * MCR1 notes down: DO NOT USE KERNEL RELEASE CANDIDATES ANYMORE
[12:15] <MCR1> :P
[12:22]  * ikonia notes down please stop using /me commands
[12:22] <MCR1> hehe
[13:40]  * jokerdino pokes the room.
[13:40] <jokerdino> LO lost menu everywhere other than Unity.
[13:42] <penguin42> I can give that a go in a few minutes, just doing a few kernel bug reboots
[13:42] <jokerdino> good luck :)
[13:43] <penguin42> when you say 'everywhere other than Unity' you mean it works under Unity but not under other stuff ?
[13:43] <jokerdino> yes.. that
[13:43] <jokerdino> probably i phrased it wrong.
[13:43] <penguin42> what other stuff?
[13:43] <jokerdino> it doesn't work in xfce, lxdm and gnome-shell
[13:44] <jokerdino> haven't tested the rest of the zillion DE.
[13:44] <penguin42> ok, I run KDE so I'll give it a go in a reboot or two
[13:45] <jokerdino> cool thanks.
[13:49]  * penguin42 waits for the latest packages to download
[13:50]  * Daekdroom remembers he hasn't checked for updates yet today
[13:56] <jokerdino> bug #1044657
[14:30] <penguin42> jokerdino: Yeh get that
[14:31] <jokerdino> penguin42: you get the menu?
[14:31] <penguin42> jokerdino: No, I don't get the menu
[14:32] <jokerdino> good. the bug report above ^^
[14:44] <Bluefoxicy> heh can't log in from lightdm
[14:45] <Bluefoxicy> switched to gdm, which works.
[14:45] <penguin42> Bluefoxicy: What do your lightdm logs say?
[14:45] <jokerdino> i switched to gdm too, but not for the same reason
[14:46] <Bluefoxicy> penguin42:  nothing interesting
[14:46] <Bluefoxicy> it hangs is all
[14:49] <penguin42> Bluefoxicy: It might be time to admit lightdm just doesn't like you
[14:50] <Bluefoxicy> heh
[14:51] <Bluefoxicy> GDM is cool, the current lightdm theme is cleaner looking though (you could do the same in gdm...) and it looks like it has more features (at least, it looks like I can use network manager from inside it, didn't spot that in gdm)
[14:54] <jokerdino> Bluefoxicy: you can connect to networks from unity-greeter
[14:55] <jokerdino> and yeah, i seem to not dislike gdm for some reason
[16:41] <Bluefoxicy> jesus
[16:41] <Bluefoxicy> whatever's going on in gnome shell needs to stop
[16:41] <Bluefoxicy> when the screen locks it shows the time, and you have to click and drag it up to get to the log-in screen
[16:47] <penguin42> sounds like a tablet/phone style unlock
[16:47] <penguin42> because that is of course the only type of computers anyone uses any more
[17:23] <MonkeyDust> working with chroot for the first time - want to try and install quantal in it - where and how do i find a mirror?
[17:23] <penguin42> MonkeyDust: http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/GB.txt for example
[17:26] <jbicha> Bluefoxicy: you can also just press Esc to unlock
[17:36] <jtaylor> MonkeyDust: just do pbuilder-dist quantal amd64 create
[17:38] <Bluefoxicy> jbicha:  is this also how unity works?
[17:39] <Bluefoxicy> I can't tell what part's from the display manager, the screen saver, and the windowing system
[17:40] <jbicha> Bluefoxicy: no
[17:40] <jbicha> just moving the mouse is enough to quit the "screensaver" thing on Unity
[17:42] <jbicha> things are a bit tangled in GNOME Shell; Shell actually provides the login & lock screen (unless you run GDM in Fallback mode which looks like GDM 3.0)
[17:43] <jbicha> in Unity things are a little more separated, unity-greeter is the frontend for lightdm which handles login, gnome-screensaver does the locking although unity-greeter may handle that in the future too
[17:43] <Bluefoxicy> ok, why do I have gdm?
[17:43] <Bluefoxicy> it looks like it got installed when I upgraded to 12.10
[17:43] <Daekdroom> gdm is now a dependency for gnome shell
[17:44] <Bluefoxicy> ah
[17:44] <Bluefoxicy> Lightdm seems to just hang when I log into gnome-shell
[17:44] <Bluefoxicy> I assume this is related?
[17:44] <jbicha> could you pastebin your .xsession-errors ?
[17:45] <jbicha> lightdm should be able to log in to gnome-shell but maybe we're missing a dependency or something
[17:47] <Bluefoxicy> .xsession-errors goes back to last night apparently and this stuff happened this morning.
[17:48] <Bluefoxicy> anyway going to get a roof inspected
[19:01] <dmatt> I updated to beta 1 with fglrx on, now X does not work, how do I get back to open driver from CLI?
[19:03] <penguin42> dmatt: You should be able to with jockey-text
[19:03] <penguin42> dmatt: Something like jockey-text -l to see what you have and maybe jockey-text -d name  to disable it ?
[19:05] <alex_mayorga> Twitter is gone from "Settings" > "Online Accounts" =( What gives?
[19:05] <dmatt> penguin42: thanks, I'm just testing it in 12.04 and it says ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for AppIndicator3
[19:05] <penguin42> dmatt: Hmm don't know what that is
[19:06] <dmatt> I'm on Kubuntu, maybe something is missing?
[19:07] <alex_mayorga> Never mind, I went back to "All Settings" then back into "Online Accounts" and is there, strange
[19:08] <penguin42> dmatt: Hmm, I get that on kde as well - that needs reporting, however it still lists that kmod:fglrx is available
[19:09] <dmatt> penguin42: I was googling it too and it doesn't seem to be fatal error
[19:10] <dmatt> however, no man pages so what should be the command exactlt? jockey-text -d fglrx
[19:10] <dmatt> exactly
[19:11] <penguin42> dmatt: I'd expect jockey-text -l to list the installed drivers, e.g. kmod:fglrx and then jockey-text -d kmod:fglrx
[19:11] <dmatt> mine says xorg:fglrx
[19:12] <penguin42> dmatt: Mine isn't installed and this is on quantal
[19:13] <dmatt> anyway, I'm going to test it right now (reboot, as it is testing partition on the notebook I write from)
[19:13] <dmatt> thank you very much for help penguin42
[19:13] <penguin42> np
[19:44] <dmatt> penguin42: it worked
[19:45] <dmatt> but I could not reenable fglrx, even when i purged it
[19:45] <penguin42> dmatt: I don't run fglrx so I'm not sure of it's current state
[19:45] <penguin42> dmatt:
[19:46] <dmatt> says something is held and the version provided is similar to 10.04 - maybe there is no new version available at the moment
[19:46] <penguin42> is there an fglrx-update version listed as well?
[19:46] <dmatt> yes, thats what confuses me
[19:47] <penguin42> what happens if you try and install that?
[19:47] <dmatt> actually, fact that any fglrx is in jockey confuses me, if there is no version bump
[19:48] <penguin42> dmatt: I suspect it'll land soon; the closed graphics drivers normally land fairly late in the cycle
[19:48] <dmatt> I did not try that, but I would expect same error, it says something was held from previous version
[19:49] <dmatt> i'm gonna google it bit and maybe file some bugs, thanks
[20:11] <LLStarks> can i get some more confirmation for bug 1041756
[20:12] <LLStarks> it also crashes gnome-shell and unity
[20:18] <trism> didn't crash when run in gdb but pretty funny to watch
[20:22] <trism> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=41a79d6a35d18e9293fb6326cfac803d92b61f81 looks like it might be promising
[20:24] <potofcoffee> Hi. I upgraded my precise-amd64 install to quantal beta today. Everything went fine as far as the upgrade is concerned, but now I'm unable to log into unity because compiz segfaults. I first suspected my ati (fglrx) drivers, but I disabled them via jockey-text and still get a segfault. Any ideas?
[20:25] <potofcoffee> Here's what I get in syslog:
[20:25] <potofcoffee> Sep  8 14:56:29 patmos gnome-session[2969]: WARNING: Application 'compiz.desktop' killed by signal 11
[20:25] <potofcoffee> Sep  8 14:56:29 patmos gnome-session[2969]: WARNING: App 'compiz.desktop' respawning too quickly
[20:25] <potofcoffee> Sep  8 14:56:29 patmos kernel: [  467.192116] compiz[4302]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fadd09b49c4 sp 00007fff2990b790 error 4 in libc-2.15.so[7fadd0915000+1b2000]
[21:05] <txwikinger> Is do-release-upgrade -d not working?
[21:07] <trism> LLStarks: yep, ^ patch fixes the bug
[21:47] <jbicha> txwikinger: have you followed the instruction in the 2nd paragraph of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
[21:52] <maca> Hello, I'm in Ubuntu 12.10, using XFCE as desktop. My problem is the firewall configuration. I typed to INPUT chain to accept that protocols: lo, state established related, ssh, domain, http, https, and the rest for DROP action. I read the HowTo Configure Iptables from the documentation. When I tried to connect internet, don't connect, why? In the 12.10, have any change related to Iptables?
[21:58] <maca> It seems that nobody know about Iptables...
[22:02] <maca> In ubuntu 12.10, Are there any changes related Iptables???
[22:19] <penguin42> I'd not seen anything specific mentioned - what are you seeing?
[22:19] <NEone> hi
[22:19] <penguin42> maca: It might be worth changing iptables to log dropped packets and see what's happening
[22:19] <penguin42> NEone: Hi
[22:19] <NEone> Now if I install 12.10 Beta 1 on one physical harddisk (it's empty now) with the new full disk encryption option... Will it leave the second physical harddisk (it's NTFS and contains data for my Windows system) untouched? Or will that one be encrypted too?
[22:20] <penguin42> should be left
[22:21] <penguin42> NEone: the full disk encryption just changes the way the Linux stuff is installed (it builds a LUKS encrypted partitoion with LVM on top)
[22:23] <NEone> ok, will try that, then. And I plan to make 3 partitions: "/", "/home", "swap". There are options of making them primary partitions or creating just one extended partition and build the other partitions within that one as logical volumes. Which way of those is the best?
[22:30] <NEone> If I make a persistent install of 12.10 Beta 1 on my harddisk... Will I have to re-install next month? Or will I be able to upgrade to the final 12.10 release just with the apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade commands?
[22:32] <penguin42> upgrade should just work
[22:33] <penguin42> should just see updates coming in just like you do after an install
[22:33] <NEone> Great! Then it's worth to give the installation a try. Thanks a lot.
[22:33] <penguin42> NEone: As for partition options; you can use it use the default or you can do manual and specify it pretty much anyway you like; you might want to try the lvm setup - in that you only use one partition and linux splits it up
[22:35] <NEone> Great. Okay, I think my installation plan is ready now. ...This will probably gonna be a long night, LOL. See you. And thanks again for your help.
[22:37] <penguin42> hehe, good luck
[22:46]  * penguin42 wonders why the Kubuntu webcam app is called Kamoso when it could have been kheese
[22:48] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: LOLOLOLOL
[23:07] <penguin42> owncloud looks pretty neat
[23:16] <Debolaz> owncloud is pretty neat.
[23:16] <Debolaz> Though the sync client has a very nasty bug on Ubuntu.
[23:17] <Debolaz> http://bugs.owncloud.org/thebuggenie/owncloud/issues/oc-1601
[23:20] <penguin42> is there a matching ubuntu bug for that as well?
[23:24] <penguin42> hehe one of my bugs is on on the known issues
[23:24] <Debolaz> penguin42: Not that I'm aware of.
[23:25] <penguin42> probably would be a good idea if there was
[23:28] <Debolaz> I'm also not aware of any plans to integrate it with the ubuntu sync indicator planned for 12.10
[23:29] <penguin42> I wonder how it compares to something like the free versions of zimbra
[23:30] <Debolaz> Given that most of the hard work is done by the csync library, I was actually pondering implementing my own client for it for Ubuntu.
[23:30] <Debolaz> I've had this idea of separating the sync client from the indicator, which in the current client is the same process.
[23:32] <penguin42> you'd think you'd be able to do a sync without the desktop say?
[23:33] <Debolaz> Yes, the sync client would work equally well on a server as on a desktop. You'd just install the extra indicator on the desktop.
[23:33] <Debolaz> Its just a matter of finding time for it I guess. :)
[23:33] <penguin42> well not just servers - things like syncing back to your desktop while you add things while you're out
[23:34] <Debolaz> Could you give an example?
[23:35] <penguin42> you leave your desktop switched on (or use wake-on-lan to wake it up?) and you add things to your cloud from your phone or a web browser and it all gets sync'd back to your desktop
[23:35] <Debolaz> Then current sync client would do that now wouldn't it?
[23:36]  * penguin42 isn't sure - but if it's on the indicator, wouldn't that only happen if you had the desktop on/logged in?
[23:37] <Debolaz> Yes; Though since it's a non-system process, the same would be the case with my idea too.
[23:37] <penguin42> well you could still ssh in to do that or you could cron it
[23:37] <Debolaz> True.
[23:39] <Debolaz> Its a good point I guess.


[01:01] <ScottK> NCommander: I can look at the backport thing in an hour or two if you haven't.  What bug/package?
[01:03] <NCommander> ScottK, its in the backscrool
[01:03] <ScottK> NCommander: I'm too lazy to look.  If you want me to deal with it, the least you can do is scroll back for me.
[01:03] <stdin> bug 314554
[01:03] <NCommander> #314504
[01:03] <NCommander> whoops
[01:04] <NCommander> No wait
[01:04] <NCommander> I was right
[01:04] <NCommander> bug #314504
[01:04] <NCommander> ...
[01:04] <NCommander> oh come on
[01:04] <NCommander> woo@
[01:04] <NCommander> *!
[01:04] <DaSkreech> !info choqok
[01:04] <DaSkreech> !info choqok jaunty
[01:04] <DaSkreech> !info gwibber jaunty
[01:04] <DaSkreech> :-P
[01:05] <NCommander> !info hello jaunty
[01:05] <NCommander> Ok, so the bot working.
[01:06] <DaSkreech> Hooray someone packaged it! :)
[01:10] <seele> you know.. people are going to hate me for this, but the kde 4.2 notifications are kindof annoying
[01:10] <seele> theyre much bigger than they used to be
[01:10] <seele> youre forced to look at them
[01:11] <seele> you have to stop what you are doing because they cover everything
[01:11] <DaSkreech> seele: I just kill plasma When they get on my nerves
[01:11] <DaSkreech> :-)
[01:13] <crimsun> seele: hence my absolute incredulity at the idea of notifications, but i digress
[01:14] <crimsun> (i realise that i am an absolute corner case in that regard)
[01:14] <seele> youre threashold for wanting to know what is going on with your computer is just lower than others
[01:14] <seele> if someone gets a mail every minute, i'm sure they don't want notifications for new mail
[01:14] <seele> but people who don't probably like them
[01:15] <seele> i've got so many people on my contact lists that i get "this person is online" messages all the time
[01:15] <seele> (and i havent figured out how to turn them off)
[01:16] <DaSkreech> seele: Well you should like Jaunty then with sabdfl's new system
[01:16] <crimsun> well, the computer information is just displayed differently; i use multitail in another terminal emulator. if something's really absolutely important, i'll notice anyhow, because the consequences tend to be catastrophic (e.g., battery exploding, computer rebooting, etc.)
[01:16] <seele> DaSkreech: have you not been paying attention to any of the conversations that have been going on about that in here? :P
[01:16] <DaSkreech> Can't you just turn those off for Kopete ? I'm almost sure I saw abutton somewheer for that
[01:17] <DaSkreech> seele: aren't they supposed to kill the flood of notifications?
[01:17] <DaSkreech> That's kinda 1/2 the point of doing it right?
[01:17] <seele> DaSkreech: maybe some, but not all of them
[01:17] <DaSkreech> It manages floods of notifications and makes them intangible
[01:17] <DaSkreech> Then kill libknotify
[01:17] <seele> that's not going to stop frequency
[01:17] <seele> it's going to provide fewer icons in the task bar
[01:18] <seele> and might control some notifications so that they shouldnt happen.. which they probably shouldnt be notifications in the first place
[01:19] <DaSkreech> What bugs me with kopete is that if for some reason the notifications hit the edge of the screen then they stop the timer that removes them and you have to take them off manually
[01:58]  * ScottK solves that problem by not using kopete.
[02:46] <DaSkreech> I keep being tempted to try that approach
[02:47] <LaserJock> but Kopete is so nice otherwise
[02:48] <DaSkreech> Yes but it would be nice if it was amarok awesome
[03:31] <jjesse>  seele: i have taken some screenshots of kpackagekit in fedora for you will finish more of them tomorrow
[03:43] <DaSkreech> !info kpackagekit jaunty
[03:43] <DaSkreech> :-P
[04:40] <ScottK> DaSkreech: It helps I don't use IM.
[05:36] <torkiano> #ubuntu-bugs
[08:13] <pali> Hello, when I use suspend/hibernate from kmenu or /usr/sbin/pm-suspend (pm-hibernate), on resume doesnt lock kde4 desktop
[08:46] <Lure> is there a known fix for thsi debsign problem:
[08:46] <Lure> gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[09:04] <Lure> nevermind, solved gpg problem
[11:56] <freeflying> any news on the WML protocol of kopete in jaunty?
[11:58] <Riddell> what's WML?
[12:50] <yao_ziyuan1> i have a suggestion
[12:50] <yao_ziyuan1> currently, i can only enable "complex script input" when the system locale is set to chinese
[12:51] <yao_ziyuan1> i want the ubuntu way: even if system language is english, i can still enable complex char input (scim)
[12:53] <yao_ziyuan1> also, if system language is english, chinese characters in the taskbar are too light. and for small size chinese chars, wenquanyi-bitmapfont should be used.
[12:54] <yao_ziyuan1> i mean, there are two chinese fonts: wenquanyi-bitmapfont is a bitmap font for small sizes and wenquanyi-zenhei is a vector font good for large sizes
[12:55] <yao_ziyuan1> this is how ubuntu handles chinese displaying, and kubuntu should learn from it
[13:56] <aleite> Hello guys!
[13:56] <aleite> I compiled KDE from trunk. Does anyone know how to make kdm my default display manager?
[13:58] <apachelogger> #kde
[14:05] <Riddell> aleite: edit DAEMON= in /etc/init.d/kdm
[14:08] <aleite> Riddell: There is no kdm file on /etc/init.d
[14:10] <aleite> But there is a gdm file. Should I copy it to kdm and try to edit?
[14:12] <Riddell> aleite: can do
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: is dpkg asking whether to change init scripts?
[14:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: or just edit the gdm one
[14:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't follow
[14:13] <apachelogger> aleite: or just edit the gdm one
[14:13] <aleite> I am trying
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: will dpkg replace the file or will it ask what to do considering it differs from $installed gdm/kdm package?
[14:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: I expect it asks
[14:14] <apachelogger> ok
[14:14] <Riddell> depends if it considers the file a "conf file"
[14:14] <aleite> Could any of you paste your kdm file from init.d for me on pastebin? There are many gdm parameters that I don't now how to change on the gdm file
[14:14] <aleite> ?
[14:15] <Riddell> yes, it's listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdm.conffiles
[14:16] <Riddell> aleite: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdm
[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: question is if the same applies for gdm ;-)
[14:16] <Riddell> or just install kdm, which will set all the right bits
[14:16] <aleite> Thanks Riddell
[14:17] <aleite> If I install kdm, it will install all kdelibs and kdebase... I just want to use the one I compiled from trunk
[14:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: it does
[14:17] <apachelogger> kk
[14:19] <aleite> Well, I'll reboot my system.. see what happens
[14:23] <cbr> http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=839
[14:23] <cbr> me want
[14:23] <Tm_T> cbr: I have it
[14:24] <cbr> how?
[14:24] <sebas> Guys ... it does NOT work
[14:24] <Tm_T> simple, built from svn
[14:24] <Tm_T> sebas: I know
[14:24] <Tm_T> I have it, but I don't use it =)
[14:25] <Tm_T> I have been following it for months now
[14:25] <sebas> Yeah, don't spread it then, unless people want  to hack on it
[14:25] <sebas> It creates false expectations
[14:25] <Tm_T> I didn't spread, did I?
[14:25] <cbr> it doesnt work?
[14:25] <Tm_T> cbr: work in progress, heavily
[14:31] <apachelogger> sebas: I heared Tonio likes to package stuff that doesn't work ;-)
[14:32] <sebas> Yeah ... I'd be happier if it wouldn't be shipped until we say it works
[14:33] <sebas> I've already got a boatload of emails after my blogentry, telling me  that they want this and that, and that  I should think of a and b ...
[14:33] <Tm_T> haha
[14:33] <sebas> 95%  of those items we just didn't get around to yet
[14:33]  * apachelogger suspected something like that
[14:33] <Tm_T> sebas: sounds great =)
[14:33] <apachelogger> you know, the plasmoid managed to connect me once
[14:34] <apachelogger> I dunno how, but it did :D
[14:34] <Tm_T> apachelogger: it was me, not the plasmoid
[14:34] <apachelogger> omg
[14:34] <aleite> Hello guys!
[14:34]  * apachelogger starts build0ring kdelibs
[14:34] <apachelogger> aleite: welcome back
[14:34] <aleite> Well.. the script sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start worked
[14:35] <aleite> But it didn't start automatically
[14:35] <stdin> you need start-up links
[14:35] <smarter> sudo update-rc.d kdm default
[14:35] <aleite> And now phonon doesn't work.. and I can't mount external devices...
[14:35] <smarter> *defaults
[14:35] <stdin> "sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults 30 01"
[14:35] <smarter> better :]
[14:35] <apachelogger> aleite: that is the price of using trunk :P
[14:35] <aleite> ok...
[14:35] <aleite> I'll try
[14:36] <smarter> and there's a config file to change too
[14:36] <smarter> so that kdm is the default display manager
[14:36] <smarter> and gdm doesn't try to launch itself
[14:36] <apachelogger> /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[14:36] <aleite> apachelogger: but trunk is so much funnier.. :D
[14:36] <smarter> apachelogger: you're faster than me :p
[14:36] <aleite> I did that...
[14:36] <apachelogger> aleite: I know :D
[14:36] <apachelogger> smarter: you go package 4.1.4!
[14:37] <aleite> But now akonadi works perfectly!
[14:37] <aleite> That's good
[14:37] <aleite> :D
[14:38] <apachelogger> not that it would be useful though :P
[14:38] <smarter> apachelogger: I'll do once I've finished my homework && if ( $time != "10pm; utc+2" )
[14:38] <smarter> s/!=/</ even
[14:38] <apachelogger> smarter: $time >= I suppose?
[14:38] <apachelogger> =< is invalid in any language I know
[14:39] <aleite> Well.. I'll reboot again and see what happens
[14:39] <aleite> See ya
[14:40] <freeflying> Riddell: its wlm, mis-typed as wml :)
[14:42] <aleite> Hello guys
[14:42] <aleite> It Worked!!!
[14:42] <aleite> What a magic command , this update-rc.d thing
[14:42] <aleite> :D
[14:43] <aleite> Phonon still doesn't work but I think it is because I didn't compiled it with pulse-audio support
[14:43] <Riddell> freeflying: I still don't know what that is I'm afraid
[14:44] <aleite> smarter: thanks for the great tip
[14:44] <apachelogger> aleite: pretty much so if you are running ubuntu
[14:44] <freeflying> Riddell: msn protocol of kopete
[14:44] <freeflying> Riddell: now is called window live messenger
[14:45] <apachelogger> ~wp windows live messenger
[14:45] <kubotu> Results for windows live messenger: 1. Windows Live Messenger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_Messenger | 2. Windows Live Messenger IM Control: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_Messenger_IM_Control | 3. Windows Live Messenger - Simple English Wikipedia, the free ...: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_Messenger
[14:45] <kubotu> [1] Windows Live Messenger 8.5 conversation window
[14:45] <aleite> I still can't mount my external device.. I could when I used gdm
[14:45] <apachelogger> unlikely
[14:45] <apachelogger> KDE trunk doesn't have integration for that stuff yet
[14:45] <Riddell> freeflying: oh right, how confusing.  libmsn is still going through main inclusion, it needs a security review
[14:46] <aleite> What stuff?
[14:46] <freeflying> Riddell: thanks
[14:47] <aleite> org.freedesktop.Hal.device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy... it says when I try to my it
[14:47] <apachelogger> aleite: yeah
[14:47] <apachelogger> dolphin would have to authenticate that you are allowed to mount devices, which it can't do right now, because policykit-kde is not yet in trunk
[14:48] <aleite> I see... it worked with gdm because it used their policies... I guess
[14:49] <aleite> Where is policykit-kde? wasn't it on playground?
[14:49] <apachelogger> yes
[14:49] <apachelogger> aleite: it would be weird if it worked with gdm though
[14:50] <aleite> It does
[14:50] <apachelogger> the authentification is done by the component that needs the permissions, not the display manager
[14:50] <apachelogger> weird it is
[14:50] <aleite> When I login though gdm.. I just click the device on that plasmoid and bang... it mounts
[14:53] <aleite> Weird indeed
[14:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 314504 got a diff
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> Any core-dev around that could take a look at bug bug 314554?
[14:59] <Riddell> freeflying: I don't suppose you know of anyone looking at making a KDE frontend to ibus?
[15:00] <apachelogger> what is ibus?
[15:01] <sebas> Apple's local transportation system ;)
[15:01] <apachelogger> lol
[15:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: scim replacement
[15:03] <apachelogger> iSee
[15:05] <freeflying> Riddell: no, I don't
[15:06] <freeflying> Riddell: I still doubt if it can replace scim even it will be re-implenmented in c
[15:07] <Riddell> freeflying: why do you think it can't replace scim?
[15:09] <freeflying> Riddell: it use the oringin data type of dbus, I think its limiation for a input method, especially those complex, like japanese
[15:09] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/101691/
[15:11] <Nightrose> apachelogger: Qt version?
[15:11] <freeflying> Riddell: and compare with imbus, you will find it is not so mature as a framework http://code.google.com/p/imbus
[15:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: 44
[15:11] <Nightrose> apachelogger: can you send that to Ian? he b0rked that
[15:11] <freeflying> Riddell: btw, do you have any suggestion on scim-sunpinyin? :)
[15:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: If you think the diff in 314504 is good, feel free to upload.  I'll ack it then.
[15:13] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what way would be best?
[15:13] <Riddell> freeflying: convince upstream to licence as BSD?
[15:13] <Nightrose> apachelogger: email - everything else is mostly hopeless lately
[15:13] <Nightrose> :/
[15:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: what is the preferred changelog entry?
[15:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: Something like * Source backport of ....  Changes from Jaunty:
[15:15] <ScottK> And then the changes.
[15:15] <seele> Riddell: was Open Source Nigeria 2009 what you were talking about?
[15:15] <ScottK> The revision should be the current Jaunty revision with ~intrepid1 on the end.
[15:16] <Riddell> seele: yes
[15:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: uploaded
[15:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: Uploaded == attached the debdiff to the bug or == dput to the archive?
[15:22] <freeflying> Riddell: no other solutions? :)
[15:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: dput
[15:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: Great.
[15:22] <Riddell> freeflying: include the original form and the compiler in the package
[15:23] <seele> Riddell: certainly canonical would send you to talk about kubuntu there? :)
[15:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: Ack'ed.  Now if we just could find an archive admin to accept it.
[15:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: please accept choqok in intrepid-backports
[15:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: thx
[15:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does someone look at strigi already?
[15:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: + you should be doing 4.1.4 :P
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> don't think so, or at least they didn't tell me :P
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> + I did that yesterday before 4.1.4
[15:25] <apachelogger> :P
[15:25] <ScottK> Not /me
[15:25]  * apachelogger reviews strigi
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> yay, pbuilder actually created the pbuilder without failing this time, unlike last night
[15:26]  * apachelogger still thinks revu is better fitted for package updates
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: where is your magical kde dependency tree chart?
[15:27]  * ScottK thinks so too.
[15:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kollide/tmp
[15:27]  * JontheEchidna bookmarks
[15:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: got a buildlog for strigi?
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> nope
[15:30] <apachelogger> gotta wait until kde4libs is finished then
[15:33] <freeflying> apachelogger: prepareing ked-4.1.87?
[15:34] <apachelogger> 4.1.4
[15:40] <apachelogger> NCommander: btw, I just noticed that apparently the kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa is non-virtual
[15:41] <NCommander> wait ... what?
[15:41] <apachelogger> NCommander: k-m-4 seems to be building all arches, not just the main 3
[15:42]  * NCommander looks
[15:43] <NCommander> apachelogger, it doesn't seem to here
[15:43] <NCommander> apachelogger, what package are you looking at?
[15:43] <apachelogger> amarok-mysql-5.1
[15:43]  * Riddell gets onto the MIRs for qzion and qedje and google gears
[15:43] <apachelogger> at least it copied loads of debs when I copied to another ppa earlier
[15:44] <NCommander> I just see lpia, amd64, and x86
[15:44] <apachelogger> hm, maybe it was a bug in soyuz then
[15:44] <emonkey> apachelogger, btw sorry about the MIR for libmsn, i asked around for a security guy but didn't found any at all
[15:45] <apachelogger> emonkey: there is a ubuntu-security team @ lp
[15:45] <emonkey> which isn't contacted by now?
[15:46] <apachelogger> is, they are doing a review soonish
[15:46] <apachelogger> choqok on lpia intrepid-backports built \o/
[15:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: It'll still go to binary New.
[15:46] <emonkey> o nice, so that task dont need any further attention from me?
[15:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, the buildds are pretty busy, so there is no quick availability anyway
[15:47] <apachelogger> emonkey: nope
[15:47] <emonkey> apachelogger, ok thx
[16:06] <seele> is rc1 going to be packaged or just the 4.2 release?
[16:06] <seele> is there any way to unupgrade? heh
[16:07] <vorian> seele: it will be packaged after 4.1.4 is done
[16:07] <jjesse_> format and reinstall to un upgrade?
[16:08] <seele> jjesse_: i was hoping to avoid reinstalling.  i dont know where my cdrom is atm :)
[16:08] <seele> oh well.. i guess i'll have to deal with plasma crashing every 5 minutes until i find it
[16:08] <seele> i should know better by now to test on my work laptop
[16:08] <jjesse> seele: you coul create a liveusb and redo the install from there
[16:08] <jjesse> i use a liveusb to install to my dell mini
[16:08] <seele> jjesse: oh good idea
[16:09] <jjesse> dont know if the ubuntu liveusb crator works w/ kde only, i used the fedora one
[16:13] <_neversfelde> unetbootin is a nnice tool to create a liveusb with KDE
[16:22] <freeflying> Riddell: for sunpinyin, how about make a dfsg package? remove the whole data dir in source tarball
[16:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> ah, last release was a sync
[16:23] <Riddell> freeflying: does that leave anything useful?
[16:25] <freeflying> Riddell: users only need to donwload it from internet, then it works
[16:25] <freeflying> :)
[16:25] <Riddell> freeflying: if you think that would be useful to people then by all means do
[16:26]  * JontheEchidna steps away for a bit to prepare lunc
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> h
[16:38] <seele> jjesse: one thing i didnt think of.. can you downgrade kmail files once you import them to akanodi?
[16:42] <Riddell> seele: kmail doesn't actually use akonadi yet
[16:42] <Riddell> except for contacts
[16:42] <seele> Riddell: so it was just the contacts?
[16:42] <seele> ah hah.. ok
[16:42] <apachelogger> I think it didn't even import the contacts
[16:42] <Riddell> korganiser uses it too
[16:43] <seele> what was the giant import process int he beginning for?  just korg?
[16:43] <apachelogger> it just accesses them via akonadi, but they are not actually stored in it
[16:43] <cbr> will kmail still want mysql server?
[16:43] <apachelogger> seele: creation of the akonadi configuration to access the old resources
[16:43] <apachelogger> or I am wrong after all and your data have been eaten by akonadi
[16:44] <apachelogger> cbr: yes
[16:44] <cbr> :(
[16:44] <cbr> why can't it be integrated like in amarok or smth?
[16:44] <seele> Riddell: kuser looks unlikely for jaunty.  dont know if you need to take it off the list?
[16:44] <seele> hopefully for 4.3, but that doesnt matter to kubuntu
[16:45] <Riddell> we don't really have a list except the specs
[16:45] <seele> s/list/spec
[16:45] <Riddell> spec's don't tend to be edited once approved
[16:46] <seele> ok then
[16:53] <Lure> Riddell: I have seen that you did not merge digikam with debian/expiremental package - was this intentional, or should I do this for beta8?
[16:53] <apachelogger> why the heck is wiki.kde.org still alive?
[16:54] <cbr> will kde autodetect audiocd's? or well, detect them at all for that matter
[16:59] <Riddell> Lure: only that debian experimental is old, if it's worth the merge then please do
[16:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: this annoys me too
[16:59] <Riddell> cbr: I seem to remember apachelogger looking into that, needs a complex solid rule thing
[17:00] <apachelogger> Riddell, cbr: it should already do that it just doesn't have actions assigned ... well actions beside opening it with dolphin
[17:00] <apachelogger> these actions require "complex" solid rules
[17:01] <cbr> imo it didnt for me in beta1 or beta2
[17:01] <cbr> didnt even display in the "new stuff" plasmoid
[17:01] <apachelogger> might be something in the linux stack
[17:01] <cbr> vlc played it
[17:01] <apachelogger> cbr: the detection
[17:02] <apachelogger> if solid doesn't know about the CD, KDE can't do anything, so I guess the issue is in hal's device polling
[17:04] <cbr> it shows for a data cd.. damn, dont have an audio cd to try atm
[17:06] <cbr> also, hardware eject button functionality is abort for some reason
[17:07] <mluser-work> Are there currently problems getting Atheros wifi cards working with Jaunty?
[17:09] <apachelogger> cbr: would only happen if the device is locked I think
[17:12] <cbr> well i have it mounted and opened in dolphin
[17:12] <cbr> that shouldnt stop it though?
[17:17] <apachelogger> not sure
[17:17] <apachelogger> technically when it is mounted the device is locked
[17:18] <apachelogger> or rather, when an application accesses the mountpoint
[17:18] <Lure> Riddell: it would just make future merges easier (when they get our of lenny freeze)
[17:18] <Riddell> Lure: yeah, go ahead
[17:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: -- Installing: /tmp/buildd/kdebase-runtime-4.1.4/debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkaudiodevicelist.so.4.2.0
[17:25] <apachelogger> do you think that bump was intentional? KDE trunk also comes with 4.2.0
[17:25] <apachelogger> or actually does not
[17:27] <Riddell> hmm, mostly those .so versions are set globally
[17:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: kaudiodevicelist is the only lib with version in kdebase-runtime
[17:28] <apachelogger> it comes from phonon I suppose
[17:33] <Riddell> set_target_properties(kaudiodevicelist PROPERTIES VERSION ${GENERIC_LIB_VERSION} SOVERSION ${GENERIC_LIB_SOVERSION})
[17:38] <apachelogger> aaaahhhhhhhhhh
[17:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: my bad
[17:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you build it against a newer kdelibs?
[17:38]  * apachelogger kicks JontheEchidna for coming up with jaunty packages while we are doing intrepid packaging :P
[17:38] <apachelogger> yes
[17:38] <apachelogger> jaunty pbuilder
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> <.<
[17:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: at least strigi didn't flood my inbox with build failures ;-)
[17:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: And he didn't build with the wrong version of the tarball.
[17:40] <apachelogger> true ^_^
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[17:40]  * apachelogger restarts batbuild
[17:42] <apachelogger> Nightrose: amaork is becoming patch software
[17:42] <apachelogger> *amarok even
[17:45] <seele> we have a few french speakers here right?
[17:45] <seele> what does douloureux, triste, and grave mean?
[17:45] <seele> grave i think means serious?
[17:45] <seele> not sure about the other two
[17:45] <Riddell> something, sad and serious
[17:45] <Sput> painful ois the first
[17:45] <Sput> *is
[17:45] <ScottK> Sounds more German than French then.
[17:46] <Sput> no, that's not even remotely German :)
[17:46] <Riddell> so not positive words
[17:46] <Sput> the middle maybe
[17:48] <apachelogger> german borrowed the 2nd one from french doesn't exaclty mean the same anymore though
[17:48] <seele> i don't get how this song is supposed to be played "sad and painful".
[17:48]  * ScottK was being ironic about stereotypes and nationalities, not translating.
[17:48] <Sput> yeah, german "trist" is more "boring"
[17:48] <Sput> ScottK: I love how others think about us :)
[17:49] <seele> ugh.. and this one that is supposed to be serious sounds like the sad and painful one
[17:49] <seele> i guess i dont get french impressionism
[17:49] <seele> weirdos :P
[17:49] <ScottK> Sput: I actually know quite a few Germans and none of them fits the traditional stereotype.
[17:49] <Sput> :)
[17:50] <ScottK> These things lag.  It was probably a lot more true 50 years ago.
[17:50] <Riddell> seele: you need to play it while a dog knaws at your leg
[17:51] <ScottK> I do know that none of the German students that came to live with us (we've had 4) found the US to be at all like they expected.
[17:51] <seele> and stoned out of my mind on opium maybe.  otherwise the dog would be seriously pissing me off
[17:52] <ScottK> seele: Absinthe.
[17:52] <ScottK> It's legal in the US now, BTW.
[17:52] <seele> ScottK: that too
[17:52] <seele> yes, but it is insanely expensive
[17:52] <ScottK> Dunno.  I didn't buy any, just tried it at a friend's house.
[17:53] <seele> yeah, there are some bars here in DC who have it and we've seen it in the state store
[17:53]  * ScottK prefers to stick to Scotch.
[17:53]  * Sput has coffee
[17:53]  * Riddell coughs politely at ScottK
[17:53] <Sput> even though I know it will screw up my intestines again
[17:53] <ScottK> Right.  Coffee during the day and Scotch after the kids are in bed.
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> We have a liqour store right off the highway here. One step away from having a drive-through ;P
[17:54] <ScottK> Before I moved in 2006 the closest liquor store to our house had a drive through.
[17:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You're way to  young to know about such things anyway.
[17:55]  * ScottK starts to worry about getting in trouble for encouraging the delinquency of a minor.
[17:55] <ScottK> That is, or was, an actual crime.
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> It's like a huge store right next to the highway, pretty hard to miss
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> a state store, of course
[17:57] <ScottK> Well back in the day, when I was about your age the drinking age was 18 and you'd be pretty close.
[17:57] <seele> ScottK: oh come on youre not that old are you?  or did you live in west virginia
[17:57] <Sput> well, drinking age is 16 here and nobody really cares :)
[17:57] <ScottK> Yeah, that's one way the US and Europe are very different.
[17:57] <ScottK> seele: I grew up in Kansas.
[17:58] <ScottK> And yes, I am that old.
[17:58] <seele> lol
[17:58]  * ScottK has a younger brother who was legal for 6 months and then not for 2 1/2 years because the state legislature messed up the grandfather clause when they changed it.
[17:59] <Sput> undergrads coming from germany to the US have a lot of fun too
[18:00] <Sput> been drinking here for years, and then they get told they're too young to even enter a pub
[18:00] <ScottK> Yep.
[18:00] <ScottK> We had that with the ones living with us.
[18:00] <Sput> on the other hand, undergrads coming from the US to Europe usually try to kill themselves
[18:00] <ScottK> Yeah.
[18:01]  * ScottK has lived outside the US for nearly 3 years at different times and still does not at all understand Americans outside the US.
[18:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: you have a note about packaging libmal?  it's already been packaged and removed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394544
[18:02] <Riddell> and opensync seems not to have a stable release
[18:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: cmake complained about it at some point
[18:02] <apachelogger> that is all
[18:02] <Riddell> yeah, we can ignore it
[18:02] <Riddell> bug 314778
[18:03] <ScottK> Sput: Once when I was in Ireland I was told, "I'd always figured there were Americans like you, I'd just never met one."
[18:03] <ScottK> This was meant as a good thing.
[18:03] <Riddell> don't worry Americans, Obama will save your reputation I'm sure :)
[18:04] <ScottK> Well almost all my Americans abroad horror stories are pre-Bush, so that won't do it I don't think.
[18:06] <seele> i blame TV.  if all i knew of America was our media then i'd probably think theyre a bit strange too
[18:06] <jpds> seele: I think douloureux is painful.
[18:06] <ScottK> Yep.
[18:06] <jpds> Oh, damn, Sput already said that.
[18:06] <Sput> well, we used to love America over here, until Bush came and destroyed everything
[18:07] <seele> jpds: yeah, unfortunately i'm having a hard time understanding how to play this particular piece as "painful"
[18:07]  * apachelogger finds english weird thanks to it crowd :P
[18:07] <Sput> amazing how fast he managed to destroy the US' reputation in the world
[18:07] <seele> i dont think a dog gnawing on my leg is the right kind of pain
[18:07] <Sput> seele: no, that's bad education.
[18:07] <apachelogger> Sput: luckily obama held a speach in berlin now everything is good again? :P
[18:08] <Sput> no
[18:08] <Sput> and I don't think he'll be able or even willing to fix things
[18:08] <apachelogger> right the "ick bin ein bärliner" was missing
[18:08] <Sput> it's not like the US plan to give up their plans for world domination, obama will just try to package that message nicer
[18:08] <apachelogger> yummy berliners
[18:09] <ScottK> If that's a kind of sausage, then I'm in.
[18:09] <Riddell> it's a kind of doughnut, Nightrose bought one for me specially
[18:09] <Sput> no, it's a sweet roll filled with jelly and powdered with sugar
[18:09] <apachelogger> aye
[18:09] <ScottK> Oh.  That'd be good too.
[18:09] <Sput> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Berliner-Pfannkuchen.jpg/800px-Berliner-Pfannkuchen.jpg
[18:10] <ScottK> Yeah, I'd eat that.
[18:10] <Sput> so that explains the jokes that many germans still make about JFK saying "Ich bin ein Berliner"
[18:10] <Sput> even though we understood and loved his real message :)
[18:10] <seele> not much jelly in that jelly dounut
[18:11] <ScottK> seele: Agreed.  It'd do though.
[18:11] <Sput> seele: not supposed to
[18:11] <seele> ScottK: oh, i'm not saying i wouldnt eat it.  because i would
[18:11] <seele> Sput: sorry, i'm used to doing things super sized
[18:12]  * seele plays up the american stereotype
[18:12]  * ScottK recalls that coming up before
[18:12] <Sput> seele: well, the dough is tasting delicious by its own, I prefer being able to taste some of it without having everything covered in sweet jelly :)
[18:13] <apachelogger> hm
[18:13] <seele> thur's not enuf sugar in this thang.  pass tha cool whip mum
[18:13] <apachelogger> Sput: go search a pic of a mohnknödel :P
[18:13] <seele> oh and "Add Cheez Pleez"
[18:14] <apachelogger> .!!!~~~~>Bat build WARNING: either this package is in incredibly good shape, or there isn't enough data to gather for the report
[18:14] <apachelogger> I love that message
[18:14] <Sput> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1006/578950699_67e8c42256_o.jpg
[18:14] <Sput> lrn2google
[18:14] <seele> ugh.. 5 notifications just to open that link
[18:14] <apachelogger> Sput: that is an abomination
[18:14] <seele> now see.. that's got some filling in it
[18:15]  * apachelogger demands original viennese mohnknödel
[18:15] <Tm_T> apachelogger: how about karjalanpiirakka?
[18:16] <apachelogger> seele: imagine that thing about twice the size with about 80% jelly + butter and poppy seed on top of it
[18:16] <apachelogger> that is what you get in austria for dessert ;-)
[18:16] <apachelogger> in vienna anyway
[18:17] <seele> sounds good to me.  i like the sweets
[18:17] <apachelogger> Tm_T: looks way too healthy
[18:17] <Sput> I'm not a huge friend of sweet stuff
[18:17] <Sput> I like my chocolate with 99% cocoa too
[18:18] <seele> ah yeah, i'm a snob when it comes to chocolate.  i prefer the darker stuff and strongly dislike "candy" chocolate like hershey's
[18:18] <Sput> yep
[18:18] <Sput> dark++
[18:18] <apachelogger> that reminds me
[18:18] <apachelogger> to the batcave!
[18:18] <Sput> dark-with-chili++++
[18:19] <seele> oh yes, that is good.  i've had some with curry powder and macha tea too
[18:20] <jpds> Yay for fluid-width: http://www.kubuntu.org/
[18:22] <apachelogger> can't follow
[18:22] <ScottK-laptop> seele: I'm reminded of the Bill Cosby quote, "I am proud to be an American.  Because an American can eat anything on the face of this earth as long as he has two pieces of bread."
[18:23] <seele> Riddell: what does this mean (in the desktop team meeting minutes):  * Kubuntu/KDE app plans were not sufficiently fleshed out to assess
[18:23] <seele> status. This should be resolved by the next meeting.
[18:23] <seele> ScottK-laptop: ah haha and i had a sandwich today for lunch too :)
[18:24] <ScottK> It comes from an old stand up routine of his about a trip to Italy.
[18:24] <Sput> ScottK: "bread"
[18:24] <Sput> :)
[18:24]  * ScottK wishes he could remember which album it was on.
[18:25] <Riddell> seele: it means they don't know what'll happen or when, I did get an e-mail from rick spensor asking for more information but it's basicly up to dbarth what he wants the DX team to commit to
[18:26] <seele> hum
[18:26] <ScottK> Riddell: Is there an IRC channel or something to chat with these DX folks or are they just pitching patches over the transom?
[18:26] <Tm_T> ScottK: #ubuntu-desktop ?
[18:26] <Riddell> ScottK: macslow and tedg are on #ubuntu-devel, davidbarth doesn't seem to be on today
[18:27] <Tm_T> brrrrh
[18:27] <Tm_T> I hate this, so much to do, so little time
[18:27] <ScottK> Tm_T: Seems like a Gnome place.
[18:27] <Tm_T> ScottK: true, don't listen to me
[18:27] <Tm_T> just if I could do Ubuntu/KDE/whatever developing for living
[18:28] <Riddell> well it's all gnome so far, the most I think they'll do for this cycle is get kmail or whatever showing notifications on gnome
[18:28] <ScottK> Does Kmail do notifications?
[18:28] <Tm_T> does
[18:28] <ScottK> I seem to have managed to have that disabled.
[18:28] <Tm_T> new mail
[18:28] <apachelogger> it is off by default
[18:28] <ScottK> Ah.
[18:28] <Tm_T> for example
[18:29] <apachelogger> + it is not working in kontact
[18:29] <ScottK> That'd explain it.
[18:29] <apachelogger> dunno why though, very weird issue
[18:29] <Tm_T> apachelogger: uh?!
[18:29] <ScottK> At least on my 4.1.3 Kmail isn't working in Kontact.
[18:29] <Tm_T> apachelogger: does here
[18:29]  * Tm_T is using svn trunk
[18:29] <apachelogger> me too
[18:29] <ScottK> I click on the mail thingy in Kontact and Kmail opens up in a new window.
[18:30] <apachelogger> Tm_T: didn't work when I tried it a couple of days ago
[18:30] <Tm_T> apachelogger: how did it fail?
[18:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: if you have kmail in tray it will not embedd
[18:30] <ScottK> OK.  Must be that then.
[18:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: or in general if a kmail process is running that is not bound to kontact it will not embedd
[18:30] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hmm, does here
[18:30]  * ScottK isn't using Kontact much right now.
[18:31]  * Tm_T is using Kontact in a way that only Kmail has tray icon
[18:31]  * apachelogger isn't using kontact until it stopped crashing all the time again :P
[18:33] <Lure> apachelogger: it does not crash that often for me anymore (max once per week)
[18:33] <seele> apachelogger: imap :(
[18:33] <Tm_T> seele: what about it?
[18:33] <seele> that's one of the crash issues
[18:34] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[18:34] <Tm_T> something I could reproduce?
[18:34] <apachelogger> seele: pop3 looses data
[18:34] <seele> apachelogger: YIKES! i've never had that happen to me
[18:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: How so?
[18:34] <apachelogger> besides, I wouldn't want to download all that crap
[18:34] <apachelogger> seele, ScottK: see kdepim bugs in launchpad
[18:37] <Tm_T> hmm, we have meeting soon?
[18:38] <Riddell> none planned
[18:41] <seele> Tm_T: some guy didnt get his intrepid CD and used the email to reply to Mr. Jonathan
[18:41] <apachelogger> I did get mine, otherwise I probably would have to do the same
[18:42] <jjesse_> hrmm never got my intrepid ship it cds :(
[18:43] <Riddell> and annoy me by insisting on using titles?
[18:44]  * ScottK had to make two special requests. The first time got all Ubuntu.
[18:46] <Tm_T> seele: bah, cheating
[18:46] <Tm_T> ScottK: we always fail to get our special requests even when we go and spread ~800 discs or so
[18:47] <Tm_T> Riddell: we really should get sabdfl to Assembly next summer
[18:47]  * apachelogger hates when a notification times out so fast that apachelogger can't read it
[18:48] <seele> Tm_T: you mean Akademy?  not the e.V. Assembly?
[18:48] <Riddell> Assembly the big Finnish computer do I think
[18:48] <Tm_T> seele: I mean finnish computer event called Assembly
[18:48] <seele> ah, oops
[18:48] <Tm_T> 5 000+ people spending 4 days in one place with events, competitions and stuff
[18:49] <Tm_T> lots of old hacker and demo culture stuff going on
[18:50] <seele> like HOPE and CCC?
[18:51] <seele> except not as security focused
[18:51] <Tm_T> hmm, not at all like that I guess
[18:51] <Tm_T> seele: "huge lan party" some people say
[19:18] <ryanakca> Hurra, www.kubuntu.org is now fluid width :)
[19:18] <Tm_T> ryanakca: great news <3
[19:19]  * apachelogger doesn't notice anything
[19:19]  * JontheEchidna either
[19:20] <ryanakca> There's a max-width... make the window smaller
[19:21] <ryanakca> Hmmm... screenshot in the masthead goes down when it's too small... I should probably up the min-width by 100px; no?
[19:22] <ryanakca> Or just update the masthead to the current ``latest news''? 8.10 is two-month old news ;)
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> then I probably have a good resolution. :)
[19:24] <apachelogger> meee tooo
[19:26] <ScottK-desktop> ryanakca: Did you get the FAQ stuff I sent you in too?
[19:27] <ryanakca> ScottK-desktop: completely forgot about it, sorry, thanks for reminding me. I'll stick it in the wiki and add a link to it from the FAQ
[19:28] <ScottK-desktop> ryanakca: OK.  Some of that stuff I think should go in the FAQ proper, but but wiki is good for most.
[20:02]  * ScottK udates krusader.
[20:02] <ScottK> updates even.
[20:03] <d-miller> ls
[20:07] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hi
[20:08] <Tm_T> apachelogger: got any luck with Qt ?
[20:08]  * Tm_T still fails to make sense to it all
[20:09] <apachelogger> Tm_T: didn't came round to take a look at it yet
[20:09] <Tm_T> apachelogger: roger
[20:15] <jcastro> apachelogger: does choqok support identi.ca/laconica?
[20:16] <apachelogger> jcastro: not yet, but the developer said that he's probably going to implement them
[20:16] <jcastro> sweet
[20:16] <apachelogger> the design certainly supports it
[20:16] <jjesse_> apachelogger: it looks cool
[20:17] <jcastro> apachelogger: there's a ton of us on identi.ca already, we could use one more!
[20:17] <jjesse_> wasn't rgreening going to port gwibber to QT?
[20:17] <jcastro> iirc there was a branch someplace
[20:17]  * apachelogger is still too much influenced by Amarok, so <3 twitter :D
[20:17] <apachelogger> jjesse_: Qt
[20:18] <jjesse_> sorry :)
[20:18] <LaserJock> I would love to see a Qt identi.ca client
[20:19]  * ScottK loves it when that happens.
[20:19] <ScottK> Sat back down at the desk after being away for awhile and there was the end of the test build.
[20:22]  * ScottK 's wife detected an unauthorized facebook acount (via Google I think) belonging to $ELDEST_CHILD last night.
[20:23]  * ScottK just got done adjusting firewall rules and will now wait for $ELDEST_CHILD to wonder why she can't get to facebook.
[20:23] <apachelogger> internet access monitoring ftw
[20:23] <seele> ah hah
[20:23] <seele> i take it she's not going to leave her car for the test, is she
[20:23]  * apachelogger has about 5 social networking sites blocked due to request by $MOM
[20:23] <ScottK> ;-)
[20:24] <apachelogger> it also keeps me from getting dragged ;-)
[20:24] <apachelogger> +in
[20:24] <ScottK> $MIDDLE_CHILD thought she was safe making a myspace account from her friend's computer a couple of years ago.
[20:24] <ScottK> That didn't work out so well for her either.
[20:25] <ScottK> I always think it's funny hearing about kids knowing more about computers than their parents.
[20:25] <LaserJock> man, I've never had that temptation
[20:25] <seele> when $ELDEST_CHILD turns 18, does she get facebook back or does she have to go to panera to do it from free wifi?
[20:25] <LaserJock> I have a facebook account, but it seems so pointless
[20:25] <Tm_T> LaserJock: same problem
[20:25] <Tm_T> I just don't use it
[20:26] <ScottK> seele: She can live by her rules when she's self supporting.
[20:26] <LaserJock> if I want to waste time I hop on IRC
[20:26]  * ScottK knows a bit about that.
[20:26] <Tm_T> ScottK: glad I don't have that problem yet
[20:26] <apachelogger> LaserJock: lol
[20:26] <ScottK> My brother has 3 girls the oldest of which is 8.
[20:27] <seele> i hear kids are cute until theyre 12, and then youre just waiting for them to leave the house
[20:27] <ScottK> Every time I start with teenage daughter stories he puts his fingers in his ears and says, "I can't hear you."
[20:27] <Tm_T> seele: false
[20:27] <ScottK> 12 is a good average.
[20:27] <Tm_T> seele: they're cute until they're yours
[20:27] <seele> Tm_T: lol
[20:27] <Tm_T> except my daughter <3
[20:27] <seele> hah
[20:28] <ScottK> $ELDEST was advanced.
[20:28] <Tm_T> anyway, I have very good experience with kids
[20:28] <ScottK> OTOH, $MIDDLE is 14 and just getting there, so it balances out.
[20:28] <Tm_T> seele: nah, she'll learn it much earlier
[20:29] <seele> ScottK: and then you have the cute $YOUNGEST for a few more years at least
[20:30]  * Tm_T used to work with trouble childs
[20:31] <ScottK> seele: yes.  She seems to vacilate between 5 and 25.
[20:31] <ScottK> She has glasses too, as of Monday, so she's doomed to be smart.
[20:34]  * apachelogger once had glasses...
[20:36]  * JontheEchidna haz glasses
[20:37] <seele> looks like the rain stopped, gotta get some groceries
[20:37]  * Tm_T uses classes just to reduce brightness mostly
[20:37] <jjesse_> so smart people have glasses?
[20:37] <Tm_T> indeed
[20:38] <Tm_T> as my iq is around 150
[20:38] <jjesse_> hrmmm what about contacts? :)
[20:38]  * ScottK thinks so, he says as he looks at the screen through his glasses.
[20:38] <Tm_T> jjesse_: what contacts?
[20:38] <jjesse_> if i wear contacts does that make me as smart as people who wear glasses?
[20:38] <Tm_T> no
[20:39] <Tm_T> there's no ducktape involved
[20:39] <Tm_T> +t I guess
[20:40] <apachelogger> Tm_T: classes don't make you smart, neither do methods
[20:40] <Tm_T> I know (:)
[20:43] <apachelogger> time for some scooby-doo
[22:00]  * Lure just survived unbootable jaunty - luckly workaround from BusyBox helped
[22:33]  * Lure is happy, did new upload to universe after exactly 9 months since last one ;-)
[22:36] <Riddell> what's wrong with them having facebook accounts?
[22:36] <Riddell> ScottK
[22:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: IIRC you need parents permission if your underaged
[22:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Nothing.  The deal is though that we have to have access to them.  This new account we don't.
[22:37] <ScottK> Tm_T: Actually not.  You do need to be, I  think, 13.
[22:37] <Tm_T> ScottK: oh, interesting
[22:37] <nhandler> Tm_T: That is the requirement for most forums too
[22:37] <ScottK> This is more having hardass parents who keep an eye on things.
[22:37] <Tm_T> ScottK: some web services here in Finland have quite strict 16-18 age limits on that
[22:37] <Lure> Riddell: btw, when did digikam/kipi-plugins drop to universe?
[22:39] <Riddell> Lure: not sure, the comment in the seed file says #  * (digikam)  needs kdebase-kio-plugins
[22:46] <Lure> Riddell: probably because it is kde3, and intrepid was kde4-focused...
[22:46] <Lure> Riddell: anyhow, it helps me as I can upload myself ;-)
[22:47] <Lure> even though we have plently of kubuntu-coredev's now! ;-)
[22:48] <Lure> Riddell: where did kdeprint package go in kde4 and what replaces it?
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> it went bye-bye
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> kde4 apps now use the Qt4 printing stuff (not as featureful as kdeprint was, but...)
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> there is a kde-printer-applet that shows available jobs when things are being printed, and system-config-printer-kde takes care of configuration
[22:54] <Lure> JontheEchidna: ok, will remove it then from recommends


[18:21] <ricotz> mamarley, I am looking at 384.98
[18:21] <mamarley> ricotz: OK.  I hadn't even noticed it yet; I am still at work.


[00:20] <tsimonq2> oh god why...nightly job...
[00:20] <tsimonq2> :P
[00:21]  * ahoneybun looks at motels
[01:19] <tsimonq2> clivejo, yofel: hmm, ffmpegthumbs is unstable on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_16.04.3_yakkety.html because it seems to already be in Yakkety. I think it's safe to ignore. Thoughts?
[10:08] <sitter> yofel, maxyz: FYI this actually breaks qapt as it is using the dbus api to manage apt-xapian https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/apt-xapian-index.git/commit/?id=8ee50ce17b93b9f6fa0d7434526d4eb23493c10e
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:53] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[12:55] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[13:00] <clivejo> tsimonq2:  yes, ffmpegthumbs has been uploaded already
[18:00] <acheronuk> Evening :)
[18:01] <ahoneybun> hey acheronuk
[18:01] <acheronuk> aha. there are people lurking :P
[18:02] <soee> hiho
[18:02] <ahoneybun> yep
[18:02] <ahoneybun> I'm just trying to fix a snap
[18:02] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23059037/
[18:03] <tsimonq2> clivejo: \o/
[18:03] <soee> ok i gave my Battery & Brightness design changes draft to kai, they should land in 5.8 i think :)
[18:03] <ahoneybun> nice soee
[18:03] <ahoneybun> I don't have Plasma on my laptop atm to offer ideas
[18:03] <soee> :o
[18:08] <ahoneybun> yea soee I have Unity on my laptop
[18:08] <soee> you mad ? :D
[18:09] <acheronuk> Unity?
[18:09]  * acheronuk feels slightly queasy
[18:09]  * soee loves his activities shortcuts
[18:10] <ahoneybun> I very rarely use those
[18:11] <ahoneybun> well I did on the laptop
[18:11] <ahoneybun> either way the battery life is crap
[18:11] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: Unity is fine for 99% of things
[18:11] <soee> i cant leave with them :)
[18:11] <soee> maybe i could use virtual desktops
[18:11] <soee> but i like activities
[18:12] <ahoneybun> I have everything on one screen 99% of the time
[18:13] <soee> well i have main activity for default browser, chat etc. ; second activity for fullscreen IDE etc. ; and third for dev browser, console etc.
[18:14] <soee> and quick switch between them with shortcuts
[18:17] <ahoneybun> guess I'm not special then lol
[18:18] <santa__> ahoneybun: sorry to interrupt, you tested the xenial -> yakkety dist-upgrades, didn't you?
[18:19] <ahoneybun> it broke the time I did
[18:19] <ahoneybun> I 'm on a fresh install from yakkety daily
[18:19] <santa_> what broke?
[18:19] <ahoneybun> can't remember
[18:19] <ahoneybun> something about removing kubuntu-desktop
[18:19] <ahoneybun> libfkscreen6 over 7 maybe
[18:20] <santa_> ok, if you re-test it would be nice if you could save the console output and the sources.list
[18:20] <ahoneybun> I could do it in a VM if you want
[18:21] <santa_> I found a couple of things which would be nice to get fixed in the packaging
[18:21] <ahoneybun> our slideshow should be #1 or #2 tbh
[18:21] <santa_> ahoneybun: please do, I think apt-get puts skanlite on hold and I have in mind a possible solution for that
[18:21] <ahoneybun> apt-get?
[18:22] <santa_> yep
[18:22] <ahoneybun> s/apt/apt-get
[18:25] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: sed: -e expression #1, char 13: unterminated `s' command
[18:25] <tsimonq2> :P
[18:25] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: at the point of not caring
[18:30]  * ahoneybun heads out to unwind
[18:31] <BluesKaj-pi> ahoneybun,  have one for me :-)
 A cold hard root beer and video games
[19:46] <tsimonq2> santa_: corrected two typos in your description
[19:48] <santa_> tsimonq2: what descripton?
[19:48] <santa_> * description
[19:48] <santa_> sigh XD
[19:48] <tsimonq2> santa_: in the PR you just made
[19:48] <santa_> ah, ok, which ones?
[19:48] <tsimonq2> the latest one
[19:49] <santa_> I mean: which typos?
[19:50] <tsimonq2> debian -> Debian and thrird -> third
[19:50] <santa_> thank you simon
[19:50] <tsimonq2> np :)
[19:55] <ahoneybun> Debian should be debian I think
[19:56] <tsimonq2> no
[19:56] <tsimonq2> it's Debian policy
[19:56] <tsimonq2> or if you want to be specific
[19:56] <tsimonq2> Debian Policy
[19:56] <tsimonq2> NOT debian policy
[19:56]  * ahoneybun opened a can of worms
[19:56]  * tsimonq2 throws ahoneybun
[20:08] <genii> I wish i could put Xenial on this Asus K53T but it's basically unusable on this machine, unfortunately. Probably due to something with radeon
[21:06] <acheronuk> hmmm http://pyqt.sourceforge.net/Docs/PyQt5/pyqt4_differences.html
[21:11] <Vorap-8> Hello
[21:11] <clivejo> o/ Vorap-8
[21:11] <Vorap-8> \o clivejo
[21:11] <ahoneybun> clivejo: in the ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu package I fixed the slideshow test to work
[21:11] <clivejo> welcome to the mad house :P
[21:11] <ahoneybun> but it needs changes in a file
[21:11] <ahoneybun> kde_ui.py
[21:11] <Vorap-8> Okay
[21:11] <ahoneybun> which I have made, just need to test
[21:12] <ahoneybun> but ubiquity needs a fix first
[21:12] <Vorap-8> Okay gotcha
[21:12] <clivejo> ahoneybun: have you a branch on LP
[21:12] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity
[21:12] <ahoneybun> clivejo: for the slideshow part
[21:12] <ahoneybun> I can make one for the core ubiquity too
[21:12] <clivejo> you are doing it in QML?
[21:12] <santa_> "It's a madhouse ... or so they claim"
[21:12] <ahoneybun> clivejo: nope
[21:12] <ahoneybun> just using the html
[21:12] <ahoneybun> updating the qt4 to qt5
[21:14] <clivejo> Vorap-8 mentioned he knows a bit of python, so I wanted him to have a look see if he could make sense of it :)
[21:14] <ahoneybun> of course
[21:14] <Vorap-8> Cool
[21:14] <ahoneybun> just need to get the darn thing to build
[21:14] <Vorap-8> I got you
[21:14] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23059279/
[21:14] <ahoneybun> this is the issue
[21:15] <ahoneybun> they said in #ubuntu-installer they are fixing it
[21:15] <Vorap-8> Ah
[21:15] <acheronuk> so it's the kde_ui.py here? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/files/head:/ubiquity/frontend/
[21:15] <ahoneybun> ubiquity is a big package
[21:16] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: yea that seems to be doing the webview loading
[21:16] <acheronuk> from PyQt4 import QtCore, QtGui, uic
[21:16] <acheronuk> so   ^^^^ yes
[21:16] <ahoneybun> def _create_webview I think is where it starts
[21:17] <Vorap-8> Okay thanks
[21:17] <Vorap-8> I am looking at it right now
[21:18] <acheronuk> there is also this on the differences between pyQt5 and pyQt4 http://pyqt.sourceforge.net/Docs/PyQt5/pyqt4_differences.html
[21:18] <ahoneybun> yea I found that
[21:19] <ahoneybun> http://nullege.com/codes/search/PyQt5.QtWebKit
[21:19] <ahoneybun> very helpful
[21:19] <ahoneybun> name changes and such
[21:20] <ahoneybun> the source version has a dir the LP one does not have
[21:20] <ahoneybun>  /d-i/source
[21:20] <ahoneybun> apt source ubiquity gets everything and that
[21:21] <Vorap-8> okay
[21:21] <ahoneybun> you need that to build
[21:22] <Vorap-8> Ah
[21:22] <ahoneybun> I would build from the source version
[21:22] <ahoneybun> then if it works apply the changes to the LP one
[21:22] <ahoneybun> so it can be pushed
[21:23] <ahoneybun> mm opps
[21:24] <Vorap-8> Okay, I can't make any sense of this right now D:
[21:24] <ahoneybun> my bad
[21:24] <ahoneybun> LP has the d-i/source dir
[21:25] <Vorap-8> Uhu
[21:25] <ahoneybun> I know
[21:25] <ahoneybun> I'm still getting grabs on this
[21:26] <ahoneybun> Vorap-8: just be happy we only need to touch one file for now :)
[21:27] <Vorap-8> yeah
[21:27] <ahoneybun> clivejo: did packagekit ever go anywhere?
[21:28] <clivejo> ahoneybun: still stuck in proposed I think
[21:28] <ahoneybun> ok
[21:28] <ahoneybun> they are going to hate us with all our SRU's lol
[21:29] <clivejo> if you enable proposed on your LP PPA and upload to that, does it build?
[21:29] <ahoneybun> ?
[21:30] <acheronuk> clivejo ahoneybun packagekit made it to released
[21:30] <ahoneybun> ?
[21:30] <clivejo> recently?
[21:30] <ahoneybun> same issue here
[21:31] <ahoneybun> do we need this python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat?
[21:31] <ahoneybun> or is packagekit taking over?
[21:32] <acheronuk> clivejo: Saturday, maybe
[21:32] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23059599/
[21:32] <ahoneybun> getting this
[21:33] <acheronuk> 1.1.1-1ubuntu1 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit
[21:33] <ahoneybun> but what about that other package?
[21:33] <ahoneybun> do we need it?
[21:34] <clivejo> ahoneybun: you are trying to build it locally?
[21:34] <clivejo> what happens if you build the source and upload to LP?
[21:34] <ahoneybun> build what
[21:35] <clivejo> the source
[21:35] <clivejo> debuild -S
[21:35] <ahoneybun> I'm just trying to fix my broken package
[21:35] <ahoneybun> yea I gave you the link
[21:35] <clivejo> that link looks like its actually building it locally
[21:36] <ahoneybun> it is
[21:36] <ahoneybun> on my machine with debuild
[21:36] <clivejo> yes but what Im saying is to just build the source and let LP build it
[21:36] <clivejo> or build it in a chroot
[21:37] <clivejo> your local yakkety might be broken
[21:37] <ahoneybun> I'm trying that
[21:38] <ahoneybun> debuild!
[21:38] <clivejo> can you upload the source somewhere that I can have a look?
[21:38] <clivejo> tarball it?
[21:39] <ahoneybun> I'll put it on LP in a min
[21:41] <ahoneybun> clivejo: the thing is I need to build it local to test it on a VM
[21:42] <ahoneybun> I'm have it on https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu/ubiquity-kubuntu now
[21:42] <ahoneybun> trying to build it
[21:42] <Vorap-8> My mom just came in and yelled at me for still being up
[21:42] <ahoneybun> what time is it there?
[21:42] <clivejo> sorry Vorap-8
[21:42] <Vorap-8> 2342 ._.
[21:42] <Vorap-8> No worries
[21:43] <ahoneybun> almost 12am?
[21:43] <Vorap-8> Yes
[21:43] <Vorap-8> I don't know why she is so mad though
[21:43] <Vorap-8> School doesn't start until a week from now
[21:43] <Vorap-8> Anyhow
[21:43] <Vorap-8> I will have a look tomorrow
[21:43] <Vorap-8> And see if I can fix it than
[21:43] <Vorap-8> Sorry guys
[21:43] <clivejo> thanks for coming along
[21:43] <ahoneybun> np
[21:43] <Vorap-8> Always :)
[21:44] <clivejo> feel free to pop in here
[21:44] <clivejo> we are friendly bunch :)
[21:44] <Vorap-8> Absoutly. I will definatly do that :D
[21:44] <Vorap-8> Byye
[21:44] <ahoneybun> now to wait
[21:45] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/builders/lgw01-03
[21:48] <clivejo> failed on LP
[21:48] <clivejo> is this a GCC issue?
[21:48] <clivejo> santa_: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/279127389/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.ubiquity_16.10.9_BUILDING.txt.gz
[21:49] <ahoneybun> clivejo: that was the same error from local
[21:54] <santa_> clivejo: if that's the question it's possible that it started to fail to build after GCC 6 becoming the default
[21:55] <ahoneybun> in #ubuntu-installer is does sound like a big deal
[21:56] <acheronuk> https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-6/porting_to.html
[21:57] <acheronuk> -Wmisleading-indentation
[21:57] <acheronuk> A new warning -Wmisleading-indentation was added to -Wall, warning about places where the indentation of the code might mislead a human reader about the control flow:
[21:58] <clivejo> looks like Rik hit the nail on the head
[21:58] <acheronuk> and the log says "cc1: all warnings being treated as errors"
[21:58] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: care to explain in #ubuntu-installer?
[21:58] <acheronuk> so yes, fail in GCC6
[21:59] <ahoneybun> sounds like a grammar issue
[21:59] <clivejo> the warning can be disabled by adding -Wno-misleading-indentation to the build flags.
[21:59] <ahoneybun> so SHOULD be somewhat easy to fix
[21:59] <clivejo> have you tried adding that in the rules file?
[21:59] <ahoneybun> I will now
[22:00] <acheronuk> clivejo: or just be fixing the useless indentation
[22:00] <acheronuk> *just by
[22:00] <clivejo> I wouldnt know where to start
[22:01] <clivejo> but for a permanant fix thats what is needed
[22:01] <ahoneybun> I'll try my hand at it
[22:03] <clivejo> acheronuk: did you report it in #ubuntu-installer?
[22:03] <acheronuk> yes
[22:03] <clivejo> any replies?
[22:06] <acheronuk> not yet, but Aaron pinged the person who was talking earlier
[22:06] <ahoneybun> does that mean spacing could fix it acheronuk?
[22:07] <acheronuk> presumably, if you can fix this http://i.imgur.com/feVcLfN.png
[22:08] <ahoneybun> yea but how
[22:10] <ahoneybun> going to try spacing for now
[22:12] <acheronuk>  I think from line 264 to 286 the code needs one indent level removed?
[22:12] <acheronuk> perhaps?
[22:12] <ahoneybun> indent?
[22:13] <ahoneybun> building atm so can't edit it
[22:16] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: you see the lines of code are indented different amounts? 4 spaces at a time?
[22:16] <ahoneybun> maybe
[22:17] <acheronuk> I think those lines need moving one level of the indent to the left. i.e. 4 leading spaces removed
[22:17] <ahoneybun> need to understand the concept of indent
[22:18] <clivejo> readablilty
[22:18] <ahoneybun> well it looks fine to me but I know I'm wrong
[22:18] <clivejo> for us mere humans
[22:19] <clivejo> I thought goto statements were highly frowned upon
[22:19] <clivejo> for machines like yofel they aren’t much use :P
[22:19] <mamarley> https://xkcd.com/292/
[22:19] <ahoneybun> goto hell
[22:19] <ahoneybun> XD
[22:20] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: I see one space
[22:21] <ahoneybun> unless you mean spacing from the left
[22:24] <clivejo> is it building with the additional build flag?
[22:24] <ahoneybun> I did not try
[22:24] <ahoneybun> don't know where to put it in rules
[22:24] <clivejo> oh
[22:24] <ahoneybun> trying to edit wpa.c for now
[22:26] <clivejo> ok
[22:28] <ahoneybun> making the source for a change
[22:29] <acheronuk> trying in pbuilder
[22:32] <ahoneybun> clivejo: remember I know very little about packaging
[22:33] <clivejo> just thought it was the easier option to test your changes
[22:33] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: s/p/s/
[22:33]  * tsimonq2 runs
[22:34] <ahoneybun> going to build in one sec
[22:34]  * acheronuk has set tripwires and traps
[22:34] <clivejo> but if you fix that GCC6 complaint and make a merge request, Im sure the installer team would be very happy it builts in GGC6
[22:34] <acheronuk> Simon won't get far
[22:34]  * tsimonq2 gets into acheronuk's computer and runs sudo rm -rf /
[22:35] <acheronuk> evil evil evil
[22:35]  * clivejo ROFL
[22:35]  * clivejo remembers a time ahoneybun did that !
[22:35] <acheronuk> ok. that built it's .debs
[22:35] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: looks like I can sneak by your traps while you're fixing your system :P
[22:36] <clivejo> acheronuk: nice one!
[22:36] <clivejo> can you submit the patch upstream?
[22:36]  * ahoneybun wonders what acheronuk did
[22:36] <clivejo> he fixed the idents
[22:36] <clivejo> indents
[22:36] <clivejo> whatever!
[22:36] <ahoneybun> but I don't understand indents
[22:37] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: could I install that on a live image?
[22:37] <clivejo> they make the code more readable
[22:37] <ahoneybun> then run the installer
[22:37] <ahoneybun> clivejo: I understand that
[22:37]  * tsimonq2 wonders what would break if I installed the Qt packages (5.7) from Experimental onto a special sbuild and build a package
[22:37] <clivejo> when you start a new section of code in between the { } you indent it
[22:38]  * tsimonq2 hopes explosions
[22:38] <ahoneybun> then I did it wrong
[22:38] <clivejo> tsimonq2: upload them to a PPA
[22:38] <tsimonq2> clivejo: good idea
[22:39] <tsimonq2> clivejo: what packages do we have that are just Qt packages and not KDE specific?
[22:39] <ahoneybun> imho kde_ui.py should be renamed to qt_ui.py
[22:39] <clivejo> if / when you get them working we can test them in KCI
[22:40] <ahoneybun> since Lubuntu will use Qt as well
[22:40] <clivejo> like Rik did with Qt5.6
[22:40] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: thank you
[22:40] <tsimonq2> :)
[22:40] <ahoneybun> I did not do it
[22:40] <ahoneybun> just suggesting it
[22:40] <valorie> we don't package Qt stuff, do we?
[22:40] <tsimonq2> valorie: in our PPAs we have to
[22:40] <valorie> only KDE and our own stuff
[22:40] <ahoneybun> of course
[22:41] <valorie> tsimonq2: such as?
[22:41] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: upload the 64 deb somewhere for me to test please
[22:44] <acheronuk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23059847/
[22:46] <ahoneybun> I moved that == part up too
[22:46] <ahoneybun> looks like it works
[22:46] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu/ubiquity-kubuntu/+build/10619087
[22:48] <ahoneybun> going to try  it in a live session
[22:48] <valorie> wowzers!
[22:49] <ahoneybun> best part is that it should not effect anyone but us valorie
[22:49] <ahoneybun> so it should be merged with no issue
[22:49] <ahoneybun> even more so since it fixes it complety
[22:51]  * tsimonq2 remembers http://tsimonq2.net/kubuntusoundboard/
[22:52] <acheronuk> good stuff :)
[22:53] <tsimonq2> GOOD STUFF :D
[22:53] <valorie> best part is that our *team did it*
[22:54] <ahoneybun> we'll see if it fixes *our* issue
[22:57] <ahoneybun> mm can't install the ubiquity package
[23:03] <ahoneybun> no idea what I'm going
[23:03] <ahoneybun> I think it has to be in teh iso file
[23:05] <valorie> there is a tool to make your own custom Ubuntu ISO
[23:05] <ahoneybun> idk I might be doing this wrong too
[23:06] <valorie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[23:08] <ahoneybun> really old lol
[23:08] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: any idea how to test?
[23:11] <tsimonq2> clivejo: http://pad.ubuntu.com/5TzmlkNwgm
[23:11] <tsimonq2> clivejo: my work in uploading to a PPA
[23:14] <clivejo> arent there like 13 packages?
[23:14] <tsimonq2> I'm working on it manually
[23:14] <tsimonq2> so yes
[23:14] <tsimonq2> but slowly :)
[23:14] <clivejo> ah right
[23:14] <clivejo> nice one
[23:15] <valorie> tsimonq2: isn't stuff like that supposed to go into the ninja pad?
[23:15] <tsimonq2> clivejo?
[23:15] <clivejo> did you read those messages Rik said about bootstrapping Qt?
[23:15] <tsimonq2> no what?
[23:15] <clivejo> valorie: its not really normal Kubuntu workflow
[23:15] <clivejo> its in the README file
[23:16] <tsimonq2> ...what README?
[23:17] <ahoneybun> darm
[23:17] <ahoneybun> the installer is not starting at all
[23:18] <ahoneybun> running 'ubiquity' does nothing
[23:19] <ahoneybun> and gives me no output
[23:23] <ahoneybun> ohhh
[23:23] <ahoneybun> more PyQt4 around
[23:27] <tsimonq2> ooh fancy, dep waits... :P
[23:29] <ahoneybun> alright let's try this again
[23:38] <ahoneybun> valorie: at least we have this: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/yakkety/+merge/302978
[23:39] <valorie> NICER
[23:39] <valorie> -r
[23:40] <clivejo> Kubuntu is  community-produced Ubuntu flavor
[23:40] <clivejo> is that missing "a"
[23:41] <valorie> good catch!
[23:41] <tsimonq2> yeah I caught that too
[23:41]  * tsimonq2 kicks clivejo
[23:41] <tsimonq2> I was JUST about to say something :P
[23:41] <clivejo> arent these slides multi-lingual ?
[23:42] <clivejo> I would prefer seeing flavour instead of flavor
[23:42] <valorie> should be, if we get them submitted in time to get them translated
[23:42] <tsimonq2> clivejo: yay for failing on a dep wait :P https://launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/+archive/ubuntu/qt-5.7/+packages
[23:42] <ahoneybun> well only the first slide has been changed
[23:42] <valorie> clivejo: the standard is american english
[23:42] <valorie> dunno why
[23:42] <ahoneybun> I'd like to have a working slideshow first
[23:42] <ahoneybun> then worry about language and spelling
[23:42] <valorie> amen
[23:43] <clivejo> still, if I select English GB, Id expect to see the correct spelling!
[23:43] <valorie> as long as typos are gone by the time it works
[23:43] <valorie> clivejo: yes
[23:43] <ahoneybun> idk maybe
[23:43] <valorie> there should be english gb available
[23:43] <valorie> ahoneybun: typos look really bad
[23:43] <valorie> and grammar errors
[23:43] <ahoneybun> I'm reaching to other locos to translate the Manual
[23:43] <valorie> worse than not having it, IMO
[23:45] <tsimonq2> how to crash Google Chrome, visit this page... :P https://launchpadlibrarian.net/279139312/qtbase-opensource-src_5.5.1+dfsg-17ubuntu2~2_5.7.0+dfsg-3~yakkety~ppa1.diff.gz
[23:45] <tsimonq2> it diffs qtbase-opensource-src 5.5.1 and 5.7
[23:45]  * clivejo gulps
[23:46] <clivejo> santa_: libkipi merged and uploaded to staging-kdeapps
[23:46] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: don't visit that page then
[23:47] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I *know* jeeez
[23:47] <acheronuk> lol
[23:47] <tsimonq2> :P
[23:49] <ahoneybun> valorie: well I fixed that issue and took down my merge request
[23:49] <ahoneybun> they use .po files to translate
[23:49] <valorie> yup
[23:50] <ahoneybun> I hate LP when it comes to that
[23:50] <ahoneybun> VERY hard to understand how
[23:50] <ahoneybun> valorie: at this moment the slideshow will not change, unless that branch is merged
[23:50] <ahoneybun> so once it works, the slides will be the same
[23:51] <ahoneybun> no issue with grammar, spelling or translations
[23:51] <santa_> clivejo: thank you I have a similiar one for libksane, I'm about to submit it
[23:51] <valorie> cool
[23:51] <clivejo> santa_: :)
[23:51]  * valorie goes off to make dinner
[23:57] <acheronuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1613482
[23:58] <tsimonq2> clivejo: (just a thought that stays in my head :P) what if someone enabled my Qt 5.7 PPA RIGHT before the nightly build on the KCI PPA :P XD
[23:58] <tsimonq2> unless you think it's a good idea?


[01:43] <grentel> So I have the sources for a custom kernel based on linux-3.12.6...to build this custom kernel should I work from an older ubuntu or can I build it using the latest ubuntu?
[03:36] <root____1> infinity: talk about the sun
[08:57] <samiux> what if kernal module is updated/upgraded, the ubuntu box is required to be rebooted even livepatch is applied?
[09:04] <samiux> what if kernal module is updated/upgraded, the ubuntu box is required to be rebooted even livepatch is applied?
[14:16] <xnox> rtg, hi! there i regression of bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1557690 in the 4.8 kernels (yakkey + hwe-edge), I've opened bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe-edge/+bug/1661620
[14:16] <xnox> could that be fixed please? =)
[14:17] <xnox> i guess it's too late for 16.04.2 respin right =) i guess infinity would kill me.
[14:18] <rtg> xnox, huh, looks like it didn't get set for Yakkety
[14:19] <rtg> xnox, I'll make sure its set fr Zesty as well
[14:19] <xnox> rtg, it is set in zesty and xenial =) only yakkety affect (and apperantely somebody tried to use that)
[14:19] <xnox> *affected
[14:20] <xnox> if you set it harder / policy checking enforced that would be nice =)
[14:23] <rtg> xnox, looks like there is some weirdness with Kconfigs in Yakketty regarding NUMA. I'll get it sorted.
[14:23] <xnox> rtg, thank you.
[14:50] <rtg> xnox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+source/linux/+bug/1557690/comments/6
[14:56] <xnox> cool =)
[14:58] <apw> xnox, it is too late for the official last respin, whether there will be one is another question
[17:03] <rtg> tseliot, there is a 4.10 based kernel in ppa:canonical-kernel-team/ppa that is showing build failures against the usual nVidia DKMS packages
[17:03] <tseliot> rtg: this is a good time to tell me about those failures, as I am working on an update :)
[17:03] <tseliot> I'll look into them
[17:04] <rtg> tseliot, serendipity
[17:04] <tseliot> now, if only infinity approved nvidia-375 in zesty NEW... :P
[17:05] <mamarley> tseliot: I don't know how far you are along, but in ppa:mamarley/staging I have nvidia-340 and nvidia-378 packages with patches for 4.10.  Those patches disable the CPU hotplugging support in the driver though because it was broken and I don't know enough about it to fix it.
[17:06] <tseliot> mamarley: cool, I'll have a look at the patches then, thanks
[17:06] <mamarley> No problem