[09:49] <Seveas> Mantice, that's a world record
[09:49] <jb1_> mantice: "sudo apt-get install gkrellm" and then find it in the System Tools menu
[09:49] <Mantice> At least in linux nothing is truly broken :)
[09:49] <Rob_Dude> But, I've just been playing around with Ubuntu so far, I haven't even gotten vmware up and running...but I'm thinking now that I don't want to bother installing the XP VMs
[09:49] <[-DevinE-] > Rob_Dude=> yes linux is better
[09:49] <Madpilot> Agent_bob, really? every version of Gnome seems to get faster...
[09:49] <Rob_Dude> So, now I just don't know what to do
[09:49] <Mantice> Gnome is faster than kde
[09:49] <pontusen> Rob_Dude,  congrats, stay away from win :)
[09:49] <Mantice> Only cos kde loooks prityer
[09:49] <Seveas> Mantice, depends completely on your session
[09:50] <Mantice> yeah i supose
[09:50] <pontusen> Mantice,  fluxbox ownz it all
[09:50] <aslkzxmn> does anybody know how i can compile c file in my ubuntu
[09:50] <Seveas> you can create a lean KDE session and a bloated gnome one
[09:50] <Mantice> lol
[09:50] <Mantice> ok ok
[09:50] <Mantice> some linux geeks going to pwn mantice n00b :(
[09:50] <Seveas> Mantice, hehe
[09:50] <kameron> aslkzxmn, gcc
[09:50] <Seveas> Mantice, this really is not the channel for gnome vs kde bashing
[09:50] <Mantice> stupid smiley just cos i cant do it
[09:50] <[-DevinE-] >
[09:50] <[-DevinE-] > hehe
[09:50] <Mantice> noo
[09:50] <Rob_Dude> I know with Windows, you hear of people formatting their computers all the time.  I used to do it a lot, things would get...'dirty' so to speak.  Do people do that quite a bit with Linux?  Or does one install last you a very long time?
[09:50] <Mantice> hahah Il copy it
[09:50] <aslkzxmn> yup, but gcc is can`t
[09:51] <Mantice>   :)
[09:51] <kameron> wtf, that's one character... ... that's tight.
[09:51] <jb1_> Rob_Dude: installs last until your hardware gives out on debina-based distros
[09:51] <Mantice> Linux dont brake
[09:51] <aslkzxmn> i think it`s not installed, and i don`t have the cd to get it back
[09:51] <pontusen> Rob_Dude,  there is no need to format linux, nor windows, if you set it up properly.
[09:51] <kameron> Mantice, they accelerate!
[09:51] <Madpilot> Rob_Dude, one install can last a long time - I know people who haven't done a full install for years
[09:51] <jb1_> Rob_Dude: s/debina/debian
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Rob_Dude: you never need to do that in linux
[09:51] <Mantice> Yes
[09:51] <Mantice> Linux brakes for you
[09:51] <Mantice> Windows crash = burn = format
[09:51] <kameron> linux brakes for turtle crossing
[09:52] <Mantice> linux has auto brakes
[09:52] <Madpilot> no, penguin crossing
[09:52] <thoreauputic> Mantice: it breaks for you perhaps ;)
[09:52] <jb1_> lol
[09:52] <kameron> lol, Madpilot nice
[09:52] <Rob_Dude> Eh, I've tried quite a few different setups with windows and I still felt like formatting.  Granted, I never 'needed' to; but I liked to
[09:52] <Mantice>
[09:52] <pontusen> Mantice,  if you don't know how to treat windows, it sure will break. so will linux
[09:52] <Seveas> Rob_Dude, I never reinstalled Ubuntu (using it since sept. 04) except for one time when I broke it vigorously by removing a shitload of essential files
[09:52] <Mantice> I treat windows good only cos i know it inside and out
[09:52] <pontusen> Rob_Dude,  i know what you mean. start off fresh is nice :)
[09:52] <Seveas> Rob_Dude, even linux isn't foolproof (fools are always more stupid than you think)
[09:52] <[-DevinE-] > pontusen=>  right
[09:52] <Madpilot> kameron, I'm going to have to make a fake roadsign now - Tux & "Penguins Crossing"
[09:52] <bad_iNFO> can linux see SATA 3.0 RAID cards?
[09:53] <pontusen> Mantice,  then one wouldn't have to re-install win often
[09:53] <kameron> Madpilot, not if i beat you to it
[09:53] <Mantice> Shh Seveas
[09:53] <Agent_bob> Madpilot that's because you install each new software on new hardware.....?   M$ used to use the slogan in all their windows releases 'faster blah'  the only reason that each release was faster is because the hardware was dubbling in speed.... when installed side by side on one machine each new release performed slower and slower....     linux is not much different.
[09:53] <bad_iNFO> "arrays"
[09:53] <Mantice> ><
[09:53] <Mantice> My linux works fine
[09:53] <datr1x> is ubunto better/easier for a N00b than just straight debian I want to learn linux but dont know much about it yet
[09:53] <tuxcicles> except in your case Mantice, one install only last 12 hours
[09:53] <tuxcicles>
[09:53] <Seveas> Agent_bob, au contraire, gnome is getting faster and faster these days, and booting is also speeding up
[09:53] <Mantice> I screwd up xserver the GUI thing but these guys in here will allways help you out
[09:53] <Seveas> Agent_bob, (on the same hardware)
[09:53] <Syns> is there anything else i can use besides mplayer to play avi or mpeg, divx movies?
[09:53] <kameron> datr1x, compared to a deb install, i would say, yes, it's easier
[09:53] <bad_iNFO> i'm a noob as you call it and yes i find it very easy to use
[09:54] <Mantice> My Xserver crashed 3 hours after Install
[09:54] <Madpilot> Agent_bob, expect Dapper to be a fair bit faster than Breezy, even for those of us who just upgrade in place
[09:54] <bad_iNFO> but from what i understand debian is also
[09:54] <pontusen> Mantice,  and why?
[09:54] <Mantice> Because im a n00b :)
[09:54] <Rob_Dude> Syns:  I'm using 'vlc' and so far it seems pretty good.
[09:54] <datr1x> I'm just trying to use the local venacular ;-)
[09:54] <Mantice> Stupid wiki
[09:54] <Agent_bob> booting a window manager..... hehhhe
[09:54] <Madpilot> pontusen, because Mantice doesn't read directions :P
[09:54] <Syns> its text based though right?
[09:54] <pontusen> Mantice,  have a backup on a fresh installment = no need for a new install if(when) you break things
[09:55] <bad_iNFO> if being a newb is being someone willing to try new things, and not be scared of failing then yes i'm a noob, anyways someone answer my question
[09:55] <Mantice> I dont need backup this is going to go for years :)
[09:55] <Seveas> !noob
[09:55] <ubotu> hmm... noob is a four letter word, just like rtfm or jfgi. Don't use it
[09:55] <datr1x> I have installed debian but I can't get my nvidia display drivers to install
[09:55] <pontusen> bad_iNFO,  about the raid? yes
[09:55] <jb1_> bad_INFO: try this URL for info on SATA:  http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html
[09:55] <bad_iNFO> ty\
[09:55] <Agent_bob> Seveas well it may be   but i can't tell any improvement up to hoary.   maybe dapper is faster.  we will see.
[09:55] <Mantice> !rtfm
[09:55] <ubotu> Mantice: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:55] <Mantice> stupid bot lol
[09:55] <datr1x> it says cant find precompiled kernal
[09:55] <Syns> rob_dude, is it text based?
[09:55] <Seveas> Agent_bob, I was talking about breezy vs dapper (gnome 2.12 vs 2.14 and faster boot)
[09:55] <pontusen> Syns,  it can be
[09:56] <Mantice> Nothing wrong with noob
[09:56] <Mantice> !noobie
[09:56] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Mantice
[09:56] <pontusen> syns, but as default it's not, i recon
[09:56] <Revid> question: ok i just mounted a 2nd drive and I want to create a folder on the drive that my OS is on.  when i do mkdir it puts it on the drive that i just mounted.  how do i get back to just creating a new folder in /?
[09:56] <Mantice> How do I start gkrellrm?
[09:56] <pontusen> Revid,  like mkdir /foo  ?
[09:56] <bad_iNFO> wow great link thanks JBL
[09:56] <tuxcicles> Rob_Dude, ubuntu does quite a bit of things differently than ubuntu - and it has old apps compared to ubuntu - unless you use unstable - which always seems broken in debian
[09:57] <jb1_> bad_INFO: np. I had a discussion with the bot :)
[09:57] <kameron> Revid, change directories to the hard drive you want... cd /this/location
[09:57] <pontusen> tuxcicles,  "ubuntu does quite a bit of things differently than ubuntu" :(
[09:57] <kameron> tuxcicles, read what you wrote :P
[09:57] <bad_iNFO> so i should ask the bot questions?
[09:57] <bad_iNFO> i can do that?
[09:57] <Rob_Dude> lol
[09:57] <Mantice> yes
[09:57] <kameron> bad_iNFO, yes you can
[09:57] <Revid> pontusen, yes
[09:57] <Mantice> !why world circle
[09:57] <ubotu> Mantice: Do they come in packets of five.  Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:57] <Revid> kameron, if i go cd / i would think it would go to my main hd
[09:57] <Agent_bob> Revid man cd
[09:57] <tuxcicles> you know what i mean ( i think)
[09:57] <Madpilot> !msg the bot
[09:57] <ubotu> Please message the bot (me) in private, more info about the bot: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[09:58] <Mantice> OMG he has a cat called Mittens woot
[09:58] <kameron> Revid, it goes to the root of the filesystem
[09:58] <bad_iNFO> nice thanks dude
[09:58] <Rob_Dude> Can I get to a 'true' command prompt outside of Gnome somehow?
[09:59] <kameron> Rob_Dude,ctrl+alt+f1... and then ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to X
[09:59] <Rob_Dude> Ahh, awesome
[09:59] <Rob_Dude> Ty
[09:59] <Rob_Dude> (and lol, that's for posting how to get back before I went and got myself locked out)
[09:59] <Agent_bob> Revid / is the root partition unless you have chroot running or have pivot_root some place   one other thing that could happen.  you could mount another partition on /  which generally calls for a reboot....
[09:59] <Revid> kameron, so how do i change it to my OS hard drive?  i thought cd / would go to the root of my main filesystem but it just goes to the 2nd hd which i mounted at /backup
[09:59] <aslkzxmn> have the other idea ?
[10:00] <Madpilot> Rob_Dude, ctrl+alt+F1 thru +F6 are all text terminals - F7 is X (the GUI)
[10:00] <tuxcicles> Rob_Dude, or ctrl + f2 - f3 - f4 - f5
[10:00] <kameron> Revid, it shouldn't. cd / should take you to the root of your filesystem, assuming it's setup that way.
[10:00] <Rob_Dude> Nice, nice
[10:00] <Mantice> Can some one help me install a file
[10:00] <DaleStan> Agent_bob: apt-cache search <what>? rename and fileutils return nothing interesting. ... also setup apt to use the repos <-- Expand, please? I saw nothing that looked interesting (both grep and vgrep for repo) in either man apt.conf or /usr/share/docs/apt/examples/apt.conf
[10:00] <kameron> Revid, can you do 'cd /home' ?
[10:00] <Madpilot> Mantice, you should know by now just to ask... don't ask to ask
[10:01] <Revid> yes
[10:01] <Mantice> Yeah
[10:01] <Mantice> Hey
[10:01] <Mantice> !Cedega
[10:01] <Mantice> !Loves ubotu
[10:01] <ubotu> Mantice: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:01] <Seveas> Mantice, we people in here want to help and are offended by even the thought that we may not want to ;)
[10:01] <Rob_Dude> Crap, it's 3am....grrr
[10:01] <Revid> kameron, yes but i have a /home in my /backup folder so i dont know if it is the right one
[10:01] <aslkzxmn> for debian package how  to install the other program in console mode,
[10:02] <kameron> Revid, but that will be at /backup/home
[10:02] <Seveas> mv /proc/Rob_Dude /dev/bed && sleep
[10:02] <aslkzxmn> i just know in rpm
[10:02] <Seveas> !deb
[10:02] <ubotu> To install a .deb file: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb  (but note that the program you want might be installable using !apt from the !repos)
[10:02] <kameron> Revelation, type 'pwd' to print the working directory.
[10:02] <Seveas> !apt
[10:02] <ubotu> somebody said apt was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[10:02] <aslkzxmn> nice :)
[10:02] <Rob_Dude> I want to setup my computer before I go to bed so I can play with Linux remotely when I'm supposed to be doing work :P
[10:02] <Seveas> !no apt is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[10:02] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[10:02] <kameron> Rob_Dude, good call!@
[10:03] <[-DevinE-] > i wanna install a .deb how can i ?
[10:03] <Seveas> !deb
[10:03] <ubotu> To install a .deb file: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb  (but note that the program you want might be installable using !apt from the !repos)
[10:03] <blAckEn3d> dppkg -i deb
[10:03] <jb1_> Rob_Dude: of course. all ubuntu users log into their home machine from work at least 5 times a day :)
[10:03] <Mantice> ;( Ill just leave and do my windows thing :(
[10:03] <kameron> [-DevinE-] , dpkg -i package.deb
[10:03] <[-DevinE-] >  dpkg -i /PATH_TO PACKAGE/PACKAGE_NAME ?
[10:03] <[-DevinE-] > i know it 10x
[10:03] <Rob_Dude> Will I be able to telnet into my computer by default, or do I need to turn on?
[10:03] <kameron> [-DevinE-] , pretty much yes
[10:03] <Seveas> jb1_, I bring my home machine to work ;)
[10:03] <kameron> Rob_Dude, need to configure stuff like that
[10:03] <Seveas> (laptop)
[10:04] <Mantice> Where will it install the deb file?
[10:04] <Madpilot> Rob_Dude, use ssh, it's safer than telnet
[10:04] <jb1_> Rob_Dude: use and learn ssh. forget about telnet. it is evil.
[10:04] <Madpilot> !ssh
[10:04] <ubotu> it has been said that ssh is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto
[10:04] <Seveas> Rob_Dude, telnet is evil.
[10:04] <Rob_Dude> Is that in the inetd file I hear so much about?
[10:04] <kameron> Mantice, wherevere the .deb says
[10:04] <Seveas> Rob_Dude, apt-get install openssh-server
[10:04] <Agent_bob> Rob_Dude telnet ????     maybe ssh
[10:04] <Seveas> and use ssh
[10:04] <Rob_Dude> Ahh, ty, ty - good point.  Even on windows I had an ssh client
[10:04] <Seveas> Rob_Dude, putty
[10:04] <kameron> Rob_Dude, ssh is the de facto for unix
[10:04] <aslkzxmn> error while loading shared libraries: libnids.so.1.19 ....i get this message
[10:04] <braniff> telnet can burn in hell !!
[10:04] <Seveas> !find libnids.so.1
[10:05] <aslkzxmn> but i don`t have the cd
[10:05] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'libnids.so.1' (1 shown): (/usr/lib/{libnids.so.1|libnids.so.1.20}) in universe/libs/libnids1.
[10:05] <Agent_bob> tightVNC
[10:05] <Seveas> aslkzxmn, apt-get install libnids1
[10:05] <aslkzxmn> okay i`ll try
[10:05] <aslkzxmn> i get the problem from the soyrce..
[10:06] <Agent_bob> aslkzxmn setup your apt to use the repos.
[10:06] <kameron> !tell aslkzxmn about easysource
[10:06] <aslkzxmn> i don't have the cd, cause my computer doesn`t have cdrom drive
[10:07] <Mantice> package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[10:07] <Mantice>  Oh noes Im going to have to downgrade my kernal :(
[10:07] <Agent_bob> aslkzxmn so ?
[10:07] <Revid> kameron, i think the problem is that when i mounted /backup i mounted it to my root so everything i create in /backup gets created in /
[10:07] <aslkzxmn> how about the url...
[10:07] <Rob_Dude> Hmm, shoot....from work I'm only able to get outside of the Firewall if I'm using their web-proxy....this might not work as easily as I had thought
[10:07] <Rob_Dude> Grr
[10:07] <kameron> Revelation, haha, nicely done.
[10:07] <pontusen> Mantice,  just install the right kernel :P
[10:07] <Mantice> I thought I could run i386 files on my computer ?
[10:07] <kameron> Revid, haha nicely done
[10:07] <kameron> Revid, type "mount" without any options.
[10:07] <aslkzxmn> so i can download the lib directly
[10:07] <Agent_bob> aslkzxmn read act3    your pm window
[10:07] <aslkzxmn> okay
[10:07] <kameron> Revid, then paste it at:
[10:07] <kameron> !tell Revid about paste
[10:08] <aslkzxmn> thanks all
[10:08] <Mantice> pontusen, I thought amd64 was the right kernel
[10:08] <aslkzxmn> iam trying
[10:08] <Mantice> the program called Cedega dont have 64 bit one :(
[10:08] <pontusen> Mantice,  if you installed 64bits ubuntu, then you need amd64 kernel. however, you can emulate 32bits
[10:08] <Agent_bob> you are doing just fine. aslkzxmn
[10:08] <Revid> kameron, sc
[10:08] <Revid> kameron, sec
[10:08] <Mantice> How do I install it
[10:09] <Mantice> dpkg: error processing cedega_5.1_i386.deb (--install):
[10:09] <Mantice>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[10:09] <pontusen> Mantice,  "it"?
[10:09] <kameron> Mantice, the .deb of cedega SUCKS
[10:09] <Mantice> Fix it !   But I don't think that was your question ;)
[10:10] <Madpilot> Hmmmm, not personally, but I know people have
[10:10] <Agent_bob> !chroot
[10:10] <ubotu> chroot is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[10:10] <bad_iNFO> does anyone recommend making a seperae partition for home, usr and so on?
[10:10] <Madpilot> FlannelKing, :P
[10:10] <kameron> ponds, hmm, cool. i figured it would be a problem. i guess not. but you don't use the i386 deb do you?
[10:10] <bad_iNFO> sperate*
[10:10] <bad_iNFO> ugh
[10:10] <Madpilot> bad_iNFO, yes
[10:10] <pontusen> Mantice,  at least check the synaptic for some 32-bits emulator
[10:10] <Od1Mie2L> omg i'm so sleepy
[10:10] <Revid> kameron, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9425
[10:10] <Mantice> Kameron what would you advise me to do
[10:10] <Madpilot> bad_iNFO, one partition for root, one for user (one for swap if you want...)
[10:11] <Agent_bob> bad_iNFO i have, what you need ?
[10:11] <Mantice> I have 20 min to install it :(
[10:11] <kameron> Mantice, get the .tgz package
[10:11] <Hmmmm> Madpilot, the reason i ask is i can't boot my dapper box with the new kernel, however it works with the old one, minus audio
[10:11] <Mantice> You mean cedega-5.1.tgz ????
[10:11] <Mantice> I have that :)
[10:11] <Hmmmm> i was wondering if someone could help me fix the new kernel
[10:11] <kameron> Revid, yes, you mounted it to /. umount it.
[10:11] <Mantice> Whoooo whooo!
[10:11] <Rob_Dude> SPeaking of filesystem layouts and what not.  Does anyone have a link that sorta of discusses or explains what the default directories are intended to be used for?  /etc and /usr and /bin and well, I'm sure they all mean something but it's all greek to me
[10:11] <pontusen> Hmmmm,  what achitecture are you on?
[10:11] <Madpilot> Hmmmm, is there anyone on #ubuntu+1? That's the dapper channel
[10:11] <bad_iNFO> u have what i need bob?
[10:12] <bad_iNFO> huh?
[10:12] <Mantice> amd 64
[10:12] <kameron> Revid, sudo umount /dev/sda1
[10:12] <Hmmmm> pointy, im on a P4
[10:12] <Madpilot> Rob_Dude, there's a good picture I found a day or so ago - give me a minute
[10:12] <Rob_Dude> Thanks man, take your time
[10:12] <Hmmmm> Madpilot, that channel was of no help
[10:12] <pointy> ?
[10:12] <Hmmmm> i tried there earlier in the day
[10:12] <tuxcicles> bad_iNFO, definitely a separate home, so you can reinstall without loosing data
[10:12] <Revid> kameron, command not found
[10:12] <Mantice> Should I login as root
[10:12] <Mantice> and paste files in
[10:12] <bad_iNFO> what's good sizes?
[10:12] <Hmmmm> pontusen, , im on a P4
[10:12] <pontusen> Rob_Dude,  let me know if you don't find, i have a book that explains it quite good
[10:12] <FlannelKing> Rob_Dude, had the same question starting out.  Found this : http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/index.html
[10:13] <Rob_Dude> Thanks all
[10:13] <bad_iNFO> i made a 1000 meg swap
[10:13] <FlannelKing> pontusen, thats for you too, I suppose.
[10:13] <Madpilot> Rob_Dude, http://www.secguru.com/files/linux_file_structure.jpg
[10:13] <kameron> Revelation, ...try again
[10:13] <bad_iNFO> so i should make what size home, root?
[10:13] <Agent_bob> bad_iNFO oh, reccomend...   ah yes.   / 3g   /home 12g  /boot 100m  first primary.     but that is not by any means nessarry.     all you have to have is   / 1.8g+     most people like a swap partition.   i prefer a swap manager that can make a swap file "if and when" needed.
[10:13] <Mantice> Login to natulus and then paste the files from the tar file?
[10:14] <leshaste> I have a new driver for lm_sensors called smsc47m192.c. What do I need to do to include it in the kernel?
[10:14] <[aJ] > How can I mount a samba share so that it is the exactly the same as if it was a local directory? IOW allowing a user to preform chmod, chown, chgrp on files & directorys.
[10:14] <Madpilot> bad_iNFO, I'd say 5 or 10Gb for root, the rest for /home
[10:14] <pontusen> bad_iNFO,  1gb for swap is what you need, tops. /boot needs likte 32 MB or something, and let / holds at least 5-10 GB
[10:14] <tuxcicles> bad_iNFO, i like 7 gig for / - 21/2 x your memory for swap, and the rest home
[10:14] <Revid> kameron, shouldnt it be sudo unmount /backup ?
[10:14] <pontusen> tuxcicles,  ridiculus.
[10:14] <ian_> bad_iNFO: for a desktop box I say 100% as /
[10:14] <bad_iNFO> nice thanks everyone
[10:14] <Mantice> God bless my ubuntu, I fear it cant take what im about to do it
[10:14] <Rob_Dude> Last Q for the night for me:  Is Solaris a flavor/distro of Linux or is it an entirely different OS?
[10:15] <bad_iNFO> this is for a server someday lol
[10:15] <FlannelKing> Rob_Dude, Solaris is an entirely different OS
[10:15] <ian_> Rob_Dude: diff
[10:15] <bad_iNFO> i'm starting with desktop on it tho cause i'm a "noob" as i'm called
[10:15] <kameron> Revelation, it's not unmount, it's umount.
[10:15] <Rob_Dude> Gotcha
[10:15] <Rob_Dude> ty
[10:15] <kameron> Rob_Dude, it's a unix operating system by sun
[10:15] <pontusen> bad_iNFO,  just don't forget to learn new things! since ubuntu does most things for you, try to learn things anyway
[10:15] <kameron> Rob_Dude, the same company that does java
[10:16] <Revid> kameron, i got it unmounted, i was typing in unmount, didnt need the n
[10:16] <pontusen> java for president(not)
[10:16] <kameron> Revid, :P
[10:16] <Rob_Dude> Gotcha, hmm
[10:16] <kameron> Revid, so things back to normal?
[10:16] <pontusen> one shouldn't have the n in umount
[10:16] <Rob_Dude> I saw a presentation on it, and it sounded awesome
[10:16] <ian_> does anyone use vmware 5?
[10:16] <Rob_Dude> But, well, everyting sounds awesome when they are presenting it, lol
[10:16] <tuxcicles> Rob_Dude, if you want to make big money using internet servers, use solaris
[10:17] <FlannelKing> pontusen, Java needs to learn to calculate floats correctly, before it can run for president.
[10:17] <pontusen> Rob_Dude,  of course. it wouldn't be like "hey, check out our new, EVEN CRAPPIER shit we call OS"
[10:17] <Revid> kameron, gonna try to remount correctly, sec
[10:17] <leshaste> "You must use the 'separate compilation' option "  from http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/newdrivers.html..that's what I am trying to find instructions for
[10:17] <Agent_bob> pontusen or you could "sudo ln -s /bin/umount /bin/unmount "
[10:17] <ompaul> Rob_Dude, and they do star office the sibling of open office
[10:17] <pontusen> FlannelKing,  i do programming quite a lot both java and other languages, don't like quite some things in java...
[10:18] <kameron> Revid, sudo cat /etc/fstab, then paste it for me please
[10:18] <pontusen> Agent_bob,  or sudo ln -s /bin/umount /bin/iwanttofuckingunmountthisdrivenoooow  but it's really unnecessary... :)
[10:18] <FlannelKing> pontusen, thats because java treats its programmers like babies.
[10:18] <ompaul> pontusen, can you do less language please
[10:19] <Mantice> Ok Ive installed it how to i run it guys?
[10:19] <Agent_bob> why not use \ spaces in that  "_
[10:19] <k31th> ompaul: watsup dude
[10:19] <ompaul> k31th, nout tbh
[10:19] <Revid> kameron, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9426
[10:19] <Rob_Dude> Alright all - thanks for all the help; I'm off for the night
[10:20] <pontusen> ompaul,  #less myprogramminglanguages.txt   showss c, c++, java, qbasic, c#.
[10:20] <k31th> ompaul: ahh try configuring a box to use ldap as system auth :p
[10:20] <kameron> Revid, do you have a regular internat hard drive, or just removable ones?
[10:20] <ompaul> pontusen, in terms of where you mount disks that is
[10:21] <bad_iNFO> is there any advantages of using slackware instead of ubuntu on a dual processor server?
[10:21] <pontusen> ompaul,  :/
[10:21] <Revid> kameron, the one i want to backup is an internal sata
[10:21] <bad_iNFO> or is it all prefernce?
[10:21] <pontusen> bad_iNFO,  depends. how advanced do you want it to be REQUIERED?
[10:21] <Agent_bob> prefernce
[10:21] <tuxcicles> are there any good usenet binary downloader out there for gnome?  all I see is pan, and it is a memory hog in binary newsgourps
[10:21] <FlannelKing> bad_iNFO, its mostly preference.  One OS might do XX better than another OS, but really they're all fairly similar.
[10:22] <kameron> Revid, are sata drives recognized as a /dev/sda* ?
[10:22] <thebeanba1> what is the best filesystem to use with ubuntu?
[10:22] <leshaste> bad_iNFO: really the difference will only be in the kernel version and patches
[10:23] <leshaste> thebeanba1: for what purpose?
[10:23] <pontusen> Agent_bob,  FlannelKing, i disagree. take gentoo for example. it's quite A LOT more to do to get the distro up and running, that's not the case with ubuntu. and to maintain it...
[10:23] <FlannelKing> bad_iNFO, and all that XX / YY stuff is mostly user interaction, since the kernel is basically the same, so you won't find support for [hardware]  on only one distro. (all of this stuff is capable of exceptions, mind you)
[10:23] <ompaul> thebeanba1, debatable but in general ext3
[10:23] <leshaste> thebeanba1: ext3 is still fine for normal desktop use
[10:23] <bad_iNFO> ty
[10:23] <bad_iNFO> everyone
[10:23] <[aJ] > Is there a way to mount a smaba share so it is just like a regular directory
[10:23] <FlannelKing> pontusen, the userinterface is different, the capabilities are similar.
[10:23] <Revid> kameron, if i do sudo fdisk -l my main sata is sda* but the one i want to backup is sdb
[10:24] <pontusen> FlannelKing,  true.
[10:24] <kameron> Revid, makes sense.
[10:24] <tk> hmm I just came home and my sound isnt working.... but I suppose I actually need a reboot anyways so I'll be back heh
[10:24] <FlannelKing> pontusen, that's really all the flavors differ in, their choice of user interaction.  And that reconverges in the major areas even  (because they all have the same programs running, and the same choices of window managers, etc)
[10:24] <tuxcicles> [aJ] , yes
[10:24] <Agent_bob> as far as that goes.  ext2 is still fine for normal desktop use
[10:24] <ompaul> !samba
[10:24] <ubotu> somebody said samba was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[10:25] <kameron> Revid, sooo.. is everything all good, or are you still having a problem with soemthing?
[10:25] <sudharsh> mhi evry1..how do i know which version of gcc make is using
[10:25] <FlannelKing> sudharsh "gcc -v" at the command line
[10:25] <pontusen> gcc --version
[10:25] <Revid> kameron, i am able to mount sdb1 but not sdb2, unfortunetly all the data i need is on sdb2
[10:26] <kameron> sudharsh, gcc --version works too
[10:26] <Revid> kameron, when i try to mount sdb2 it says you must specify the filesystem
[10:26] <kameron> Revid, what happens when you try to mount sdb2?
[10:26] <sudharsh> ok is there anyway i caould override this
[10:26] <sudharsh> i am havin trouble building stuff withh gcc4
[10:26] <pontusen> FlannelKing,  true. And i wouldn't put a total beginner in a "geek" distro. you can most likely accomplish the same things on w/e distro.
[10:26] <kameron> Revid, you can do that by: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb /this/location
[10:26] <Mantice> Hey guys how to I fix support with with Game ?
[10:26] <Mantice> Gaim dont open in firefox no more :(
[10:27] <kameron> sudharsh, you can make your MAKEFILE use whatever gcc you want, by typing "make gcc=3.4" for example.
[10:27] <pontusen> Mantice,  gaim or game?
[10:27] <Mantice> Gaim
[10:27] <Syns> how can i broadcast video on yahoo
[10:27] <sudharsh> aah..i'll try tht thanx
[10:27] <Mantice> game later Gaim now :)
[10:27] <Syns> gaim has no option for it
[10:27] <Mantice> U sure
[10:27] <Mantice> Im sure of it
[10:27] <kameron> Mantice, yeah, why would gaim work in mozilla?
[10:27] <Mantice> Id right click and it would say open in Firefox
[10:27] <FlannelKing> I think he means when he clicks on links in gaim, they open in ff?
[10:28] <FlannelKing> Mantice, just update your browser choice
[10:28] <variant> lo all, im having a problem getting my belkin wireless usb to work with ubuntu dapper. i modprobe it but the device does not show up in iwconfig or the networking tool
[10:28] <pontusen> if it is like FlannelKing says, then change firefox to your preferred browser
[10:28] <variant> i compiled the driver from this page:
[10:28] <Mantice> I broke my firefox
[10:28] <Revid> kameron, wrong fs type
[10:28] <kameron> Revid, do you know the fs time?
[10:28] <kameron> type
[10:28] <Mantice> i use to right click in gaim and i could open in firefox or in a tab
[10:28] <Syns> gaim has no option for it
[10:28] <Syns> how can i broadcast video on yahoo
[10:28] <Revid> kameron, gotta be ext2 or ext3
[10:28] <kameron> Syns, don't spam your question please
[10:28] <Mantice> Now it just says open in browser and that dont work eather
[10:28] <variant> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/
[10:29] <kameron> Revid, did you try ext2 and ext3?
[10:29] <Revid> kameron, yes
[10:29] <variant> modprobe does not give an error
[10:29] <Syns> well i wouldnt if it didnt feel like i was being ignord
[10:29] <Protocol1> !ogle
[10:29] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Protocol1
[10:29] <Syns> at least say i dont know
 Revid, do you know t <--- could be missing mount point also.   mount sometimes gives a confusing error message.
[10:29] <Protocol1> !beer
[10:29] <pontusen> Syns,  could it be that no one knows? do you want 623 ppl to say "dunno"?
[10:29] <sunubuntu> synaptic:removed a package by mistake.The package is not listed.How do i install it back.Any ideas?
[10:29] <insidious> Syns, if everyone did that, there would be 10 people saying "I don't know"
[10:29] <Od1Mie2L> !milk
[10:29] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Od1Mie2L
[10:29] <Od1Mie2L> !tea
[10:29] <ubotu> Od1Mie2L: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:29] <Od1Mie2L> !coffee
[10:29] <Syns> i want at least someone thats active to say i dont know
[10:29] <pontusen> sunubuntu,  install it the way you did before?
[10:30] <sunubuntu> synaptic:removed a package by mistake.The package is not listed now.How do i install it back.Any ideas?
[10:30] <Od1Mie2L> !water
[10:30] <insidious> Syns, you can be sure your line gets read
[10:30] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Od1Mie2L
[10:30] <Od1Mie2L> !refresco
[10:30] <ubotu> Od1Mie2L: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:30] <Syns> not 600 people, just one person
[10:30] <Revid> Agent_bob, im not sure what you mean, what is t?
[10:30] <kameron> Syns: if nobody answers your question, they're not "ignoring" you, they don't know the answer.
[10:30] <Od1Mie2L> !cyanide
[10:30] <ubotu> Od1Mie2L: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:30] <sunubuntu> pontusen:the package is not in the list now
[10:30] <pontusen> sunubuntu,  1. don't spam your questions. 2. install it the way you did before?
[10:30] <ompaul> Syns, in IRC no one presumes to talk on behalf of others
[10:30] <pontusen> okey
[10:30] <insidious> Syns, there's no one spokesman, you can't expect one person to respond
[10:31] <kameron> Revid, what command exactly are you trying to issue?
[10:31] <pontusen> Syns,  on behalf of over 600 ppl, no, we don't have a clue.
[10:31] <insidious> Syns, not to be rude.  we'd help if we could :)
[10:31] <Madpilot> Syns, you want all 623 other people to say "I don't know"?
[10:31] <ompaul> pontusen, taking a chance there :)
[10:31] <Revid> kameron, i have data on this sata hd that i need to recover
[10:31] <tuxcicles> sunubuntu, you probably need to add the repository to your apt.sources list
[10:31] <pontusen> ompaul,  my 4 sec in the spotlights :P
[10:31] <Revid> kameron, it would not boot in fedora so if i could just backup the files i could install ubuntu on it
[10:32] <ompaul> okay I now declare it offtopic for a few mins at least
[10:32] <Od1Mie2L> 623.times { puts "i dunno, okay!!? jeez >:o" }
[10:32] <Agent_bob> Revid use the tab key when typing the options to mount so you can be sure they exist.      sudo mount /dev/sdb[tab]  /mnt/[dab]        using tab completion helps keep you from issuing commands that the system cant understand.
[10:32] <pontusen> Od1Mie2L,  way to go :)
[10:32] <kameron> Revid, yes, listen to Agent_bob there
[10:32] <Revid> Agent_bob, ok thanks
[10:32] <bad_iNFO> i have a dual processor 2 Ghz Xeon, i install the SMP kernal for i686 and it locks up on boot
[10:33] <bad_iNFO> any ideas?
[10:33] <kameron> Revid, you must specify an existing device and mount point, what Agent_bob suggest helps avoid that
[10:33] <Mantice> DAMIIITT
[10:33] <bad_iNFO> should hyper threading be enabled in my bios?
[10:33] <kameron> bad_iNFO, it'd probably help if you mailed me your processor.. then you don't have a working computer to worry about.
[10:33] <pontusen> bad_iNFO,  listen to kameron.
[10:33] <Mantice> Any one have idea on how to make Gaim open up links with firefox
[10:34] <pontusen> Mantice,  have ff as your default browser?
[10:34] <Mantice> How do I do that
[10:34] <Mantice> I thought that was windows only :)
[10:34] <sunubuntu> tuxcicles:but i am not able to add repositories.error:could not download all repository indexes.http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[10:34] <tuxcicles> Mantice, install the one that comes with ubuntu
[10:34] <Mantice> I did
[10:34] <Mantice> I fixed it
[10:34] <Mantice> I fixed the invalid links to
[10:34] <pontusen> Mantice,  you got it?
[10:34] <Mantice> Yeah
[10:34] <bad_iNFO> ok now what was that all about?
[10:34] <pontusen> great :)
[10:34] <bad_iNFO> lol
[10:34] <Mantice> How do I make it defult
[10:35] <kameron> sorry.. bad typo made me quit.. lol. anyways, bad_iNFO.. i could forward my mailing address to you if you like?
[10:35] <pontusen> Mantice,  edit -> preferrences -> check now
[10:35] <sunubuntu> tuxcicles:Pl. help?
[10:35] <ompaul> Mantice, I got the bot to send you a message
[10:35] <dsl506> howdy... how can i tell what hdd partition im using? eg. /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 etc?
[10:35] <cion> hey all is there a way to force trash to empty?
[10:36] <Agent_bob> dsl506 mount
[10:36] <[-DevinE-] > dos anyone know the time in new york ?
[10:36] <bad_iNFO> yeah ok, well seriously, im not mailing my computer anywhere lol
[10:36] <bad_iNFO> but still, any ideas?
[10:36] <Mantice> Bot send no msg :)
[10:36] <pontusen> cion,  i guess you don't have permission to empty the trash?
[10:36] <Agent_bob> dsl506 also sufo fdisk -l
[10:36] <cion> i have no permissions on gpl files
[10:36] <[-DevinE-] > sudo
[10:36] <sunubuntu> tuxcicles:Pl. help?
[10:36] <Mantice> www.google.com
[10:36] <ompaul> Mantice, it did now :-)
[10:37] <cion> pontusen and i got no permission on file itself
[10:37] <pontusen> cion, #sudo rm -r /home/foo/.trash/
[10:37] <dsl506> thanks agent_bob
[10:37] <Mantice> Enter key i will use it wisly my friend
[10:37] <kameron> [-DevinE-] ,  http://worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_NR.aspx
[10:37] <Revid> kameron, wierd, i can do "sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /crn and it works but when i do the same execpt for sdb2 i get error....
[10:37] <cion> pontusen can u explain to me the command?
[10:37] <ompaul> ;)
[10:37] <Revid> kameron, wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb2
[10:37] <bad_iNFO> i'm not on the server i'm triing to make work this is another linux box i have
[10:37] <kameron> bad_iNFO, not your whole computer, just the processor!
[10:37] <Mantice> Oh Poodlecake now X-chats broken :(
[10:37] <pontusen> cion, replace "foo" with your login nick(cion maybe?)  and then do that command. it will delete everything you have in .trash, ie in your trash.
[10:38] <bad_iNFO> lol kameron
[10:38] <kameron> bad_iNFO, sorry, no ideas.. i'd love to own a dual core xeon though :P
[10:38] <Agent_bob> Revid try without the -t arg   like i sujested first time.
[10:38] <kameron> Revid, and sdb2 is a sata drive?
[10:38] <sunubuntu>  i am not able to add repositories.error:could not download all repository indexes.http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1).Any help?
[10:38] <tuxcicles> sunubuntu, are you in india err sumpthing
[10:38] <bad_iNFO> i got both processor's for 200 bucks lol
[10:38] <bad_iNFO> :-P
[10:38] <pontusen> bad_iNFO,  that's maybe why they hang? ;)
[10:39] <sunubuntu> tuxcircles:ya
[10:39] <bad_iNFO> lol they work, i loaded windows
[10:39] <Revid> Agent_bob, sorry i forgot to say i tried thatalready, i get mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[10:39] <bad_iNFO> too verify
[10:39] <bad_iNFO> but i don't want to run windows
[10:39] <Revid> kameron, yes
[10:39] <Agent_bob> what makes you think it's  sdb2 anyway ?         Revid did you  sudo fdisk -l   to find the partition number?
[10:39] <bad_iNFO> i want to learn linux server stuff
[10:39] <Revid> Agent_bob, yes
[10:40] <bad_iNFO> it yay fun
[10:40] <pontusen> bad_iNFO,  well, you could try a livecd or try reinstall it
[10:40] <Revid> Agent_bob, should i paste fdisk -l info?
[10:40] <bad_iNFO> livecd???
[10:40] <Agent_bob> no no
[10:40] <bad_iNFO> that's an idea
[10:40] <pontusen> bad_iNFO,  like knoppix
[10:40] <cion> pontusen u sure bout the command u gave me?
[10:40] <GTX> ive installed some package which I didnt want and its added things to bootup, how do I remove them from boot?
[10:40] <bad_iNFO> ty fantastic idea
[10:40] <Agent_bob> is there something already mounted on your mount point Revid ?
[10:40] <kameron> Revid, yes, paste it at the link i gave you
[10:41] <sunubuntu> tuxcicles:Pl. help man.
[10:41] <Revid> kameron, i will paste my mount info for bob too
[10:41] <Agent_bob> k
[10:41] <tuxcicles> sunubuntu, well, i don't know what universe the package is you are trying to install, so if you would go and uncomment your universe - multiverse and backports - you are bound to find it - sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:41] <kameron> Revid, yeah, just throw it up there and send it to us
[10:42] <pontusen> cion,  i used sudo rm -r /home/pontusen/.Trash/    and you need to replace "pontusen" with your nick
[10:42] <cion> pontusen i did says no such file or directory
[10:42] <sunubuntu> tuxcicles:Thanks man.But i need that repository
[10:42] <bad_iNFO> what's the min req for ubunto
[10:42] <pontusen> cion,  with a big T in Trash?
[10:42] <bad_iNFO> CPU?
[10:42] <Revid> kameron, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9427
[10:43] <kameron> Agent_bob, ^^
[10:43] <tuxcicles> what r ya trying to install?
[10:43] <balayhashi> my printer works , I'm a happy man ! No more windows for me . c:\ it's formated as ext3 . peace everybody!
[10:43] <cion> pontusen ooooooooohhh right ;)
[10:43] <Agent_bob> bad_iNFO about 32m ram  200m hdd  dx486
[10:43] <sunubuntu> tuxcicles:pvm
[10:43] <cion> pontusen sorry, thx!!
[10:43] <pontusen> cion,  i think i misspelled it first time, my bad :P
[10:43] <GTX> ive installed some package which I didnt want and its added things to bootup, how do I remove them from boot?
[10:43] <cion> pontusen roger that thx for the help
[10:43] <pontusen> np
[10:44] <kameron> Revid, it looks like sdb2 is mounted just fine.
[10:44] <kameron> Revid, oh sorry, nevermind.
[10:44] <Agent_bob> bad_iNFO i might point out that the installer wont run in that size ram  but it can be installed and ran in that box.
[10:45] <sinaduel> how do I install rar for linux? I just downloaded the .tar.gz file
[10:45] <Revid> kameron, yeah that is sdb1 and i just unmounted it
[10:45] <kameron> Revid, 'sudo umount /dev/sdb1' first, because it's already mounted on /crn. then 'sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /crn'
[10:45] <tuxcicles> sunubuntu, i apt-cache'd and it is pulling up pvm fine under universe/devel
[10:45] <pontusen> sinaduel,  well, there's unrar
[10:45] <kameron> Revid, also, sdb2 is an LVM it says
[10:45] <pontusen> sinaduel,  and install it from the repos
[10:46] <Agent_bob> Revid yeah lvm
[10:46] <sinaduel> pontusen, repos?
[10:46] <Revid> kameron, ya i did "mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[10:46] <Revid> "
[10:46] <pontusen> sinaduel,  using the synaptic
[10:46] <Revid> kameron, whats lvm?
[10:46] <kameron> Revid, that's what's causing you problems. i don't know how to deal with lvms, i'll find out for you.
[10:46] <sinaduel> oh okay, thankyou
[10:46] <kameron> !tell revid about lvm
[10:47] <kameron> revid:  Logical volume management provides a higher-level view of the disk storage on a computer system than the traditional view of disks and partitions. This gives the system administrator much more flexibility in allocating storage to applications and users.
[10:47] <juanma_> alguien habla espaol
[10:47] <ompaul> !es
[10:47] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[10:47] <kameron> !es
[10:48] <Revid> kameron, so lvm is a filesystem like ext3?
[10:48] <kameron> a straight up cool hand look i see, ompaul  :P
[10:48] <kameron> luke*.. man my spelling sucks
[10:48] <ompaul> kameron, :)
[10:48] <kameron> Revid, yes, i suppose. i've never really got into it, just heard it mentioned a bit.
[10:49] <tuxcicles> sunubuntu, mine looks like 'deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy universe'
[10:49] <bad_iNFO> ext2 or ext3?
[10:49] <ompaul> Revid, it is much more flexable but really unless it is a professional requirement I would not bother
[10:49] <Agent_bob> last time i messed with lvm  my drive was like 'why the hell did you do that to me ????   i mad, and wont work any more ! "    hehhe so i kinda haven't been back to it sense.
[10:50] <ompaul> bad_iNFO, 3
[10:50] <bad_iNFO> ty
[10:50] <Revid> ompaul, do you know what the -t switch label is for it in mount?
[10:50] <Agent_bob> ext3 = ext2 + journal
[10:50] <CyberMad> i have error like this (when do ./configure of freeradius):  configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables
[10:51] <CyberMad> i already install the gcc
[10:51] <CyberMad> how to fix it?
[10:51] <Agent_bob> -t = type
[10:51] <Mabus06> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:51] <Mabus06> CyberMad: ^
[10:51] <ompaul> Revid ,  type of file system  - vfat or reiser or something else
[10:51] <foxpaul> does anyone know a way i can get rid of the spaces in a load of file names quickly?
[10:51] <CyberMad> Mabus06 thanks.. i will try it
[10:52] <tuxcicles> foxpaul, use pearl to rename them
[10:52] <Agent_bob> sudo mount /boot/initrd* -t cram $HOME/Desktop
[10:52] <afief> I am asked to login when i try to access my network drivier, yet no matter what i do, nothing works
[10:52] <Revid> kameron, i cannot find the filesystem type name, do you know where i should look
[10:53] <Revid> kameron, or is there a way to get a list of the filesystem types
[10:53] <kameron> Revid, i couldn't find it either, i'm looking into how to mount an lvm for you now, bare with me
[10:53] <ompaul> afief, did you use your own password?
[10:53] <Revid> kameron, ok thanks
[10:53] <afief> ompaul: yes, but it just keeps asking
[10:53] <kameron> Revid, man mount lists a bunch under the -t section, but doesn't say anything obvious about lbm
[10:53] <kameron> lvm*
[10:53] <ompaul> afief, what command did you try to execute?
[10:54] <Chousuke> Heh: 11:40 <@Rancid-> they should use this song for Ubuntu advertising | 11:41 <@Rancid-> "Do you know where the power lies and who pulls the strings? Do you know where the power lies? It starts and ends with (yo)u!"
[10:54] <sunubuntu> tuxcircles:I have told u the error that i am getting while updating repositories
[10:54] <afief> ompaul: none, places->Netowrk Servers under Gnome
[10:54] <ompaul> kameron, No manual entry for spelling :-)
[10:54] <kameron> ompaul, what?
[10:54] <ompaul> kameron, man my spell check as per you eariler :-)  lmb lvm
[10:55] <kameron> ompaul, oh, :P
[10:55] <afief> ompaul: any idea how i can still access my network driver? half an hour ago it worked normal
[10:56] <ompaul> afief, no idea I just had a look I don't have any boxes on this morning to log into
[10:56] <ompaul> afief, the obvious if it worked half an hour ago - are you still logged in? what has changed etc
[10:56] <foxpaul> Agent_bob, file?
[10:56] <tuxcicles> sunubuntu, yes, and it sounds like the server is down from what i can gather
[10:57] <afief> ompaul: ummm loged in yes, i executed some sudo commands, installed a game... nothing serious
[10:57] <Revid> kameron, how do i exit the manual
[10:57] <kameron> Revid, q
[10:57] <Revid> kameron, i wanna try reiserfs
[10:57] <kameron> Revid, giver
[10:57] <tuxcicles> sunubuntu, go here to generate a new sources.list, i would backup the one you got first though, try http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:58] <ompaul> Revid, there are lots of people who don't trust it
[10:58] <Agent_bob> foxpaul http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9436   an idea you might look at.
[10:58] <sunubuntu> tuxcircles:thanks man.i will try
[10:58] <cion> hey all can some1 explain to me what fluxbox and how to use it?
[10:58] <foxpaul> Agent_bob, cheers
[10:58] <ompaul> Revid, and I am one of them - if it goes screwy I have never been able to recover from it
[10:59] <Revid> kameron, what does giver mean?
[10:59] <Revid> ompaul, are you talking about lvm?
[10:59] <kameron> Revid, oh.. it means.. "go ahead and do it".. giver, as in 'give her'.. just a dumb redneck expression i guess?
[10:59] <Revid> kameron, ok
[10:59] <Revid> kameron, didnt work
[11:00] <ompaul> Revid, no reiser
[11:00] <cion> hey all if i install fluxbox can i remove nautilus?
[11:00] <Agent_bob> you can
[11:00] <Revid> ompaul, no, i saw that it is a supported filesystem type in the manual but alas it didnt work
[11:01] <kameron> Revid, no, i mean.. if you want to try reiserFS, why not give it a try.
[11:01] <cion> what do i need to do?
[11:01] <Revid> kameron, you mean try to mount with the reiserfs type?
[11:02] <kameron> Revid, no, i thought you meant "at some point in my linux life, i want to try out a resierFS drive".. but trying to use that type won't help.
[11:02] <ompaul> Revid, you need to take a partition wipe it an install it
[11:02] <kameron> Revid, it's possible that the drive is corrupt. did you have a bad crash or anything?
[11:03] <Revid> kameron, yes it was a problem in fedora, got alot of kernal errors
[11:03] <Protocol1> its good to have realplayer
[11:04] <Revid> kameron, i have the drive mirrored i am going to install that drive and try to mount
[11:04] <kameron> Revid, and all you want to do is recover the data, right?
[11:04] <Revid> kameron, yes
[11:04] <kameron> Revid, hmm, okay.
[11:04] <Revid> kameron, be back on in a few
[11:04] <kameron> Revid, how big is the drive?
[11:04] <kameron> Revid, okay.
[11:04] <Shinjan> hi folks
[11:04] <tk> ok... sound problem didnt go away... if I run an AVI file it seems like sound doesnt come back after I close the player
[11:05] <Revid> kameron, 80gb but only 1.5gb are in use
[11:05] <kameron> Revid, okay
[11:05] <kameron> Revid, you can also try asking around in #lvm, but there's only 25 people there, one of them being me, totally useless.
[11:06] <kameron> but i have to go for a bit, bbl Revid
[11:06] <simira> are there any way to boot without noticing the cd in the cd-rom (for automatic installation)
[11:07] <tk> any suggestions on sound dying after avi playback?
[11:07] <Agent_bob> simira have a floppy drive ?
[11:07] <simira> Agent_bob: no
[11:07] <tk> !RestrictedFormats
[11:07] <ubotu> rumour has it, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:07] <Agent_bob> simira can the box boot anything ?
[11:07] <tk> !freeformats
[11:07] <ubotu> There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[11:08] <simira> Agent_bob: usb probably, but that doesn't help much... we're using a mastered cd and a network preseed file
[11:09] <pontusen> wake me up... when september ends
[11:09] <Agent_bob> simira could you pull the hdd and cp the ubuntu partition from another installed system ?
[11:10] <Madpilot> pontusen, that's a great album :P
[11:10] <simira> Agent_bob: that's probably more work than a manual installation
[11:10] <pontusen> Madpilot,  it sure is :)
[11:10] <Protocol1> i see a lot of debian users converting over to this
[11:10] <Agent_bob> simira not if you can't boot the system...
[11:11] <simira> Agent_bob: I can boot the system. I just want to boot it without the cd after the first part of the installation
[11:12] <Agent_bob> simira oh.   well after the first part of the installation you should pull the cd at the reboot.  let it boot normal to finish the install
[11:13] <pontusen> ubuntu has grown quite much lately, or am I wrong?
[11:14] <Agent_bob> it helps us help you simira if you be specific about what you can and cannot do, and what you wish to acomplish.
[11:14] <simira> Agent_bob: yes, but then there was the "automatic" part of it. I am supposed not to attend the installation process at all
[11:14] <simira> pontusen: mostly since it started out, yes
[11:14] <pontusen> simira,  great :)
[11:15] <simira> Agent_bob: I want a complete automatic installation, from booting on the cd to the login prompt. Including a reboot not having a new boot from cd
[11:15] <balayhashi> is firefox <IP_ADDRESS> stable?
[11:15] <pontusen> balayhashi,  yes.
[11:16] <balayhashi> tks
[11:18] <Agent_bob> simira that would be a cery unlikely propasition.   you will have to tell the bios to boot the hdd first then the cd and make the hdd unbootable the first pass.   i.e.  force the bios to fail the hdd boot, drop through to cd boot,  then on reboot it will succeed at hdd boot.   not an easy task.
[11:18] <Hmmmm> hi guys, i get this error when i try and boot my ubuntu box: ALERT! /dev/hda does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[11:18] <Hmmmm> anyone have a fix?
[11:19] <Agent_bob> edit /etc/fstab   and set your root partition correctly   /          Hmmmm    use fdisk -l    to determine where the root fs is
[11:19] <pontusen> Hmmmm,  sure you do have a hda? and sure you have the needed modules in your kernel?
[11:20] <simira> Agent_bob: there are easier solutions to that, I know. But thanks for trying. I'll do some more reading myself.
[11:20] <r2ndom> how can i mount a windows share?  example:  i want to mount smb://WinXPBox/Shared mounted as /usr/Share/
[11:20] <Hmmmm> Agent_bob, looks like u'r right
[11:20] <Hmmmm> all of a sudden all my hdas have turned into sdas
[11:20] <CarinArr> uhm.. bit confused
[11:21] <Agent_bob> sata Hmmmm ?
[11:21] <Hmmmm> nope just regular ide
[11:21] <CarinArr> shouldnt' the kde package install all the kde stuff necessary to run kde?
[11:21] <Hmmmm> Agent_bob, i have no idea how it happened
[11:21] <pontusen> CarinArr,  yes?
[11:21] <Agent_bob> you enabled ide-scsi   ;)
[11:21] <Hmmmm> Agent_bob, i just upgraded from gbreezy to dapper, and this happened
[11:21] <CarinArr> cause it seems all it installed is /usr/share/doc/kde/*
[11:21] <CarinArr> no binaries or anything
[11:22] <Hmmmm> Agent_bob, I have an old kernel whih stil works, so im booted into that
[11:23] <Hmmmm> Agent_bob, hang on... i think i got that info wrong
[11:23] <Hmmmm> it was from another machine
[11:24] <vladuz976> isn't there a program like mathematica called octavio?
[11:24] <weex> does anyone know how i can check if modrewrite is compiled into apache?
[11:24] <Agent_bob> Hmmmm still if fstab is wrong fix it.  bottom line.
[11:24] <ompaul> Hmmmm, i had the bot send you a message
[11:24] <Hmmmm> /dev/hda4              16G   11G  3.5G  76% /
[11:25] <Agent_bob> vladuz976 search in the package manager
[11:25] <Hmmmm> ompaul, will keep that in mind... sorry about it
[11:25] <ompaul> np
[11:25] <Hmmmm> Agent_bob, the fstab looks okay. the weird thing is that thge older kernel works fine
[11:26] <GTX> lo guys, I installed this vchs control panel last night which installed all sorts of things, apache2, mysql and loads more. I cant seem to remove all the packages, But how can I remove them so they dont try to startup on boot
[11:27] <kos> why does middle click on a tab in Firefox paste instead of closing the tab?
[11:27] <Agent_bob> how do you know if the fstab is correct or not.... you are not in the failed system ?    but at any rate.   check you /boot/grub/menu.lst also but it should panic if root is wrong there.
[11:27] <bad_iNFO> does KDE have any good package managers?
[11:27] <Agent_bob> kos because middle click is supposed to paste.
[11:28] <Protocol1> !jdoom
[11:28] <ubotu> rumour has it, jdoom is a port of ID's Doom to Linux. The jDoom engine supports Doom, Doom II, Hexen and Heretic. Instructions for installation on Breezy can be found at http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/community-projects/yagisan-s-doomsday-for-debian-ubuntu
[11:28] <Hmmmm> Agent_bob, i am in the broken system. like i said, an older kernel (from breezy) works fine. the same settings edon't seem to work for the newer dapper kernel
[11:29] <Mabus06> Hmmmm: they don't call it unstable for nothing
[11:29] <Grarg> anyone familiar with digital cameras? mine's giving me problems on Ubuntu
[11:29] <kameron_afk> Mabus06, hahah
[11:29] <kameron_afk> Grarg, i use a fuji with ubuntu
[11:29] <Grarg> it's a Kodak easyshare C360
[11:30] <Madpilot> Grarg, have you tried gThumb?
[11:30] <Hmmmm> Mabus06, well im not blaming anyone, i just want to know how to fix it
[11:30] <Grarg> speicifically gThumb, no, but I'm guessing it's based of the same libs as digikam and such
[11:30] <Mabus06> Hmmmm: #ubuntu+1 is the dapper channel
[11:31] <Hmmmm> Mabus06, already tried that channel, everyone seems asleep out there
[11:31] <kos> Agent_bob, usually in ubuntu it doesnt
[11:31] <Grarg> when I connect my camera, I can get thumbnails and such, but get anything more from it, or to be able to save
[11:31] <Grarg> *... but I can't get ...
[11:31] <Hmmmm> i think i'll just compile my own kernel
[11:32] <Howitzer> aaaargh
[11:32] <Howitzer> i'm on smallband
[11:32] <Howitzer> i now have a dialup connection
[11:32] <Howitzer> damnit
[11:33] <Grarg> I get the error "An error occurred in the io-library ('Unspecified error'): Could not query kernel driver of device." from gThumb
[11:33] <Howitzer> it takes 5minutes, just to update the repositories :(
[11:33] <kos> where does ubuntu get the printer drivers database?
[11:34] <ompaul> kos from cups afik
[11:34] <ompaul> Howitzer, so # out the repos until you want to use them just do security and updates
[11:36] <Grarg> nm, gthumb works for some reason, despite the others not working
[11:36] <Grarg> thank you
[11:36] <ompaul> Howitzer, had the bot send you a message
[11:37] <Howitzer> ja
[11:37] <Howitzer> *y es
[11:38] <ompaul> Howitzer, ... :-)
[11:38] <Howitzer> eh
[11:38] <Howitzer> i don't
[11:38] <Howitzer> get
[11:38] <Howitzer> it
[11:38] <ompaul> don't hit enter after every word
[11:39] <Wolfwood> oder sterben
[11:39] <Howitzer> but i dont
[11:39] <Howitzer> ooooh
[11:39] <Howitzer> now i see
[11:39] <Wolfwood> Ja
[11:41] <Fredde> My router is spooky
[11:41] <Fredde> Sometimes it let med download torrents, and sometimes not
[11:41] <Wolfwood> Does it speak?
[11:41] <kameron_afk> Revid, hey you there?
[11:42] <Wolfwood> Is it called Damien?
[11:42] <Fredde> D-link 604
[11:44] <Madpilot> Fredde, I've got a DLink 604 as well, never had any trouble with it...
[11:46] <Revid>  kameron yeah
[11:46] <kameron> Revid, sudo apt-get install libdevmapper1.01
[11:46] <Revid> kameron, i put the other hd in which should have been mirrored via raid and no luck so far
[11:47] <skaja> how do i use apt-get i forgot
[11:47] <kameron> Revid, it should be already installed, but if not, then there's no way of mounting the lvm.
[11:47] <Revid> kameron, already newest version
[11:47] <kameron> skaja, sudo apt-get install packagename
[11:47] <cwillu> What's the command to look at syslog?
[11:47] <p0windah> first thing, you will only need html and JS to get hello world working
[11:47] <kameron> Revid, yeah.. thought so, just an idea.
[11:47] <Revid> kameron, k
[11:49] <Protocol1> is there any good popular multiplayer games for ubuntu?
[11:49] <Protocol1> someone name a few
[11:49] <pontusen> Protocol1,  vlc, mplayer, xine.
[11:50] <pontusen> games. my bad:/
[11:50] <Revid> kameron, did you see what that guy told me in the lvm room?  he said lvm can be any file system
[11:50] <kameron> Revid, yes, i know that. i am following along in lvm.
[11:50] <pontusen> Protocol1,  quake3,4, unral tornament.
[11:50] <pontusen> unreal*
[11:50] <kbrooks> I want to updqate my tomboy to 0.3.5.
[11:50] <kbrooks> Does dapper have this?
[11:50] <kameron> Revid, lvm is a manipulation of a filesystem.. you can 'stripe' any filesystem with lvm.. to enhance it's features. i know little about it though.
[11:51] <cwillu> anybody here familiar with the firefox/mozilla issues?
[11:51] <kameron> cwillu, what issue?
[11:51] <Protocol1> pontusen, let me guess im going to have to use cedega for that eh
[11:51] <pontusen> Protocol1,  nope. they are all native!
[11:51] <Protocol1> whoa
[11:51] <cwillu> firefox sluggishness being solved by installing the mozilla.org version, and how that might apply to mozilla itself
[11:51] <pontusen> Protocol1,  and doom as well.
[11:52] <Madpilot> Protocol1, Enemy Territory has a Linux version - so does America's Army
[11:52] <cwillu> I downloaded the mozilla gtk build a week ago;  I _think_ I'm running it via the quick+dirty way (unpacked into my home directory running it from therE)
[11:52] <Madpilot> kbrooks, check packages.ubuntu.com
[11:52] <cwillu> it appears to have the same issue though (memory leak)
[11:53] <kameron> cwillu, can't help you really.
[11:53] <thefish> anyone managed to softlink a dir into their ~/public_html? I have tried, but i get access denied and a log line saying .htaccess not readable. Even after touching an .htaccess in the dir, i cant get it... any ideas?
[11:53] <George> hi
[11:54] <George> I have tried to install dapper but it won't recognise my root filesystem. I think this is because the driver for my IDE chipset is compiled as a module
[11:54] <George> what option do I need to put in grub.conf to tell it to load that module?
[11:55] <xmaster> hi all
[11:55] <xmaster> howto enable on ubuntu 5.10. core.pid name formatted core dump files ?
[11:55] <Protocol1> Americas Army sounds good
[11:56] <Revid> kameron, boy this should not be this difficult.  maybe i just need to figure out a different route.  If I could verify the files exist on one of the drives I would setup fedora again and just mount from there
[11:56] <skaja> apt-get cant find the word games
[11:56] <kameron> Revid, i don't know if fc would help
[11:56] <kameron> skaja, sudo apt-cache search games
[11:56] <Revid> that is what it was originally setup on so i would think i could read the drive from it
[11:57] <Wolfwood> Why would America Army sound good?
[11:58] <kameron> Revid, maybe?
[11:58] <adriyel> hola room
[11:58] <kameron> word adriyel
[11:58] <adriyel> kameron...insomnia is SO cool.
[11:58] <redblade> Hi, what plugin would I need to play mp3's that are playing in a website?
[11:59] <kameron> adriyel, ofcourse man. you'll have plenty of time to sleep when you're dead.
[11:59] <adriyel> lack...of...fatigue.
[11:59] <skaja> are there other places i can get apt-get file list
[11:59] <adriyel> kameron, indeed. g/f will be pissed when she gets here though (its 0559 right now EST my time)
[11:59] <kameron> red-tag, install mplayer and the mozilla-mplayer plugin, it plays mp3s.
[11:59] <kameron> adriyel, i know, you told me in offtopic :P
[11:59] <adriyel> do make sure you've apt-get gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:59] <adriyel> kameron, indeed.
[12:00] <adriyel> ways to waste time...how shall I list thee...
[12:00] <Wolfwood> Trying to make Linux work right
[12:01] <xmaster> howto enable create core.pid name formatted core dump files on ubuntu 5.10 ?
[12:01] <adriyel> in Soviet Russia, work Linux make you
[12:01] <kameron> redblade, , install mplayer and the mozilla-mplayer plugin, it plays mp3s.
[12:01] <kameron> adriyel, hahahahaha
[12:01] <adriyel> kameron, broken record?
[12:01] <Wolfwood> I will try to remember that after I expatriate :P
[12:01] <kameron> adriyel, i said it to the wrong person last time.. the tab button often gets me sending things to the wrong person.
[12:01] <adriyel> or broken receivers?
[12:01] <Wolfwood> to Russia
[12:01] <Eiscreme> hi
[12:02] <adriyel> kameron, in win32, tab doesn't work here
[12:02] <kameron> adriyel, man, windows pwns
[12:02] <skaja> how do i install the linux fire wall?
[12:02] <kameron> no auto-tab to screw you up. maybe i should switch.
[12:02] <adriyel> expatriation....I'd rather go to China, so that a government can think for me
[12:02] <kameron> skaja, sudo apt-get install iptables
[12:02] <adriyel> kameron, lolz.
[12:02] <adriyel> kameron, I thought kernel had built in firewall
[12:02] <kameron> adriyel, it does, but if he wants more customizable rules.. might aswell get that.
[12:02] <adriyel> I've never used it...but...oh...well that explains a lot
[12:03] <Wolfwood> China gets a lot of negative press over here. No way of knowing how accurate it all is, anyway.
[12:03] <adriyel> Wolfwood...*blank stare*
[12:03] <THJ> GJC just took over as my default Java interpreter. i don't want this. how do i set it back to Sun Java?
[12:03] <adriyel> it's a communist country that supresses free speech
[12:03] <adriyel> wtf...are you smoking?
[12:03] <adriyel> THJ, restricted formats, install java.
[12:04] <adriyel> ubotu tell THJ about restricted formats
[12:04] <adriyel> gahhhh, stupid window
[12:04] <Wolfwood> I do not know - I just know I cannot get a decent keyboard layout right now.
[12:04] <adriyel> I have no shortcut for window switching in windows
[12:04] <adriyel> it's a 32-bit chat program with windows, and I can't use the windows key to switch windows inside windows
[12:04] <adriyel> wtf is wrong with my windows?
[12:04] <adriyel> ...
[12:04] <THJ> adriyel, i have a .deb of Sun Java that i made, i just reinstall that, then?
[12:05] <Hentai^XP> crtl-tab
[12:05] <adriyel> THJ....suuuuure.
[12:05] <Hentai^XP> oh wait wrong window
[12:05] <kameron> THJ, might aswelll
[12:05] <bimberi> THJ: try 'sudo update-alternatives --config java' first
[12:05] <Hentai^XP> thought thios was ##windows....
[12:05] <adriyel> Hentai^XP, one problem with that, it seems to use fuzzy circuit logic to determine which window it goes to
[12:05] <THJ> bimberi: ah, thanks, that was the sort of thing i was looking for
[12:05] <Hentai^XP> adriyel sorry thought this was ##windows at first
[12:06] <bimberi> THJ: np :)
[12:06] <adriyel> can I implement some sort of directionality to this?
[12:06] <adriyel> Hentai^XP, well, I was trying to be satirical, but it is true.
[12:06] <THJ> bimberi: thanks, that seems to have worked
[12:06] <adriyel> humorous, anyways.
[12:06] <Hentai^XP> adriyel for?
[12:06] <adriyel> my nose is cold
[12:06] <adriyel> coldness of the nasal passages. nose is cold
[12:07] <xmaster> hi, howto enable on ubuntu 5.10. core.pid name formatted core dump files ?
[12:07] <adriyel> exactly how does one get their eyes to cease burning?
[12:07] <kuja> How do I run something in the background and not have it die when the terminal is killed?
[12:07] <kuja> (gnome-terminal)
[12:08] <adriyel> kuja, don't start it in the terminal XD
[12:08] <adriyel> zomg...I just tried to escape to a terminal in windows.
[12:08] <adriyel> dang it.
[12:08] <kameron> kuja, run it from alt+f2
[12:08] <adriyel> I hate win32.
[12:09] <adriyel> evidently.
[12:09] <kuja> kameron: Still dies.
[12:09] <adriyel> using a terminal escape
[12:09] <adriyel> kills the proggie in windows
[12:09] <adriyel> I would venture a guess
[12:09] <kameron> kuja, no, it doesn't. alt+f2, then type in the app name, enter. i shouldn't die.
[12:09] <adriyel> as to say, that this is terminal number four.
[12:09] <kuja> kameron: The script I am attempting to run is in an infinite loop. I can get it to work in a terminal as long as I don't kill it. `ruby /.../...`
[12:09] <adriyel> kameron, see above, have a laugh at my stupidity.
[12:10] <kameron> adriyel, i didn't really get it, my ninja friend
[12:10] <adriyel> ok
[12:10] <kuja> kameron: Apparently dies... :(
[12:10] <kameron> kuja, .. what?
[12:10] <adriyel> how do you switch terminals kameron in Linux?
[12:10] <adriyel> now...think about that one
[12:10] <kameron> adriyel, ctrl+alt+f#
[12:10] <Protocol1> does ubuntu have SElinux on it?
[12:10] <adriyel> now think about how I just disconnected then came back
[12:10] <Eiscreme> big problem people ... there is no official MD5 Sum of Kubuntu ...
[12:10] <adriyel> kameron, only if you're using X n00b
[12:10] <kuja> kameron: The command I run is basically: `ruby script.rb`
[12:10] <kuja> Where script.rb goes on forever.
[12:10] <Eiscreme> http://ubuntu.intergenia.de/releases/kubuntu/5.10/
[12:10] <adriyel> it's alt-f# in pure terminal joy
[12:10] <Eiscreme> no MD5 suim
[12:10] <adriyel> now.
[12:11] <adriyel> when I tried to use terminal four
[12:11] <adriyel> what do you s'pose happened to my client?
[12:11] <kameron> adriyel, yes, i know that.
[12:11] <kameron> adriyel, i don't know, i haven't tried doing that before.
[12:11] <adriyel> stupid unix reflexes.
[12:11] <adriyel> it closed
[12:11] <adriyel> the program
[12:11] <kameron> adriyel, beisdes, i thought you were in win32?
[12:11] <adriyel> alt-f4 is an escape sequence
[12:11] <adriyel> kameron, yes I am, but I forgot that
[12:11] <kameron> adriyel, ohhh, hahahha.
[12:11] <adriyel> I am using blackbox for win32
[12:11] <adriyel> and I forget sometimes
[12:11] <adriyel> k?
[12:11] <adriyel> and then I cry
[12:12] <kameron> i didn't know they had it. it runs on top of the regular gui?
[12:12] <adriyel> not quite
[12:12] <adriyel> you have to kill explorer.exe
[12:12] <adriyel> rip it out
[12:12] <kuja> kameron: I run it with alt+f2, then I check back in terminal with `ps` to see if it's there. It isn't.
[12:12] <adriyel> and replace it with blackbox
[12:12] <adriyel> this doesn't always work.
[12:12] <colm_working> it's an explorer.exe replacement
[12:12] <adriyel> registry change is required.
[12:12] <kameron> kuja, yeah, because it's a script, not a program.
[12:12] <adriyel> touching the registry is like touching yourself...it feels good, but gets messy
[12:13] <kameron> lmfao
[12:13] <kuja> kameron: Eh? I don't get it.
[12:13] <kameron> i hate touching the registry. touching myself, is another story.
[12:13] <adriyel> example: "feel the power of 1337 registry hacking...omg windoze died"
[12:13] <kameron> kuja, a script is different from a program
[12:13] <kuja> kameron: Regardless of the terminology you're using, it's still an endless process, AFAIK.
[12:13] <adriyel> kameron, I'd rather muck around with a bsd daemon
[12:13] <kuja> kameron: What can I do?
[12:13] <kameron> kuja, do you know the difference between a script and a program?
[12:13] <adriyel> and that's comparable to sacrificing a goat
[12:14] <adriyel> HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
[12:14] <kuja> kameron: Interpreted code vs executable compiled code?
[12:14] <adriyel> Gangsta's Paradise, ACAPELLA
[12:14] <adriyel> lol, this is great
[12:14] <kameron> kuja, sure, more/less.
[12:14] <kameron> kuja, scripts require a shell, generally.
[12:14] <ompaul> adriyel, please take to #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:14] <kuja> kameron: Ah, I see.
[12:14] <skaja> i'm wondering where do i make ubuntu/gnome more nicer looking
[12:15] <Madpilot> !tell skaja about themes
[12:15] <adriyel> skaja system - preferences - themes
[12:15] <kameron> skaja, start by not using gnome
[12:15] <kameron> skaja, every gnome theme is ugly, period.
[12:15] <adriyel> skaja, that's like asking Gandhi to be fat...or Rush Limbaugh to think...it just don't happen man
[12:16] <kameron> truer words never spoken
[12:16] <kuja> kameron: I'm a little lost here though. Is it possible to get the script going?
[12:16] <Madpilot> skaja, the bot should have sent you a bunch of URLs - hunt thru to find a theme that suits you
[12:16] <adriyel> kuja, I think he is trying to say that it is
[12:16] <adriyel> Madpilot, much more satisfying to heckle GUI's
[12:16] <skaja> i had kde/gnome installed but forgot how to do it :-(
[12:16] <adriyel> can we make fun of KDE now?
[12:17] <adriyel> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:17] <kuja> adriyel: I can do whatever to my knowledge to try to make it work, but I'm still unsure of the right thing.
[12:17] <Madpilot> adriyel, on #ubuntu-offtopic, you can
[12:17] <kameron> kuja, yes, from a shell
[12:17] <adriyel> no fun.
[12:17] <Wolfwood> Whew, better
[12:17] <kuja> kameron: So an invisible shell, how so?
[12:17] <kbrooks> kuja: i think, xgl
[12:18] <kameron> kuja, lol.. dude, i said nothing of an invisible shell.
[12:18] <adriyel> xgl, bleh. AIGLX for life.
[12:18] <Wolfwood> KDE has always been a big stinkin' Windows clone to me
[12:18] <cwillu> is there any chance that even though I'm running mozilla from it's own folder, it's still using code from the ubuntu mozilla?
[12:18] <adriyel> kameron, make it a GHOST!
[12:18] <kbrooks> talk about it in #ubuntu-xgl
[12:18] <kameron> kuja, send me the script, or paste it at:
[12:18] <ndlovu> any idea how I can change the editor that crontab -e opens by default (currently mc I think)?
[12:18] <kameron> !tell kuja about paste
[12:18] <kameron> kuja, so i can take a look
[12:18] <adriyel> Wolfwood, and you'd rather have a big stinkin mac clone?
[12:18] <adriyel> I'll pass on both.
[12:18] <adriyel> *box for life.
[12:19] <kuja> kameron: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/hYtLvD99.html -- It's a Ruby script
[12:19] <Madpilot> folks - bash-the-GUIs can take place in #ubuntu-offtopic, please & thank you...
[12:19] <Wolfwood> Does that mean Gnome's a Mac clone?
[12:19] <kbrooks> Wolfwood: NO
[12:19] <Wolfwood> Then I don't get it
[12:20] <Madpilot> it means you can continue the chat in #ubuntu-offtopic :P
[12:20] <kbrooks> obey Madpilot please
[12:20] <skaja> mac osx uses bsd i think
[12:20] <Wolfwood> Oh quit attacing free speech
[12:20] <Wolfwood> Nutters
[12:20] <kameron> kuja, is it executable?
[12:20] <Wolfwood> Or free spelling :P
[12:20] <kuja> kameron: Yeah
[12:21] <kbrooks> Wolfwood: free speech is not applicable to IRC, homes, companies, or any private instution including schools
[12:21] <Wolfwood> Heh right
[12:21] <adriyel> kbrooks, actually, I go to a PUBLIC, school
[12:21] <Wolfwood> Free speech is permitted inside one's head ONLY
[12:21] <redblade> Hey I'm back
[12:21] <adriyel> one that mine and my parents' taxes paid for
[12:21] <kuja> kameron: You saying that... made me try ./path/to/script from ALT+F2...
[12:21] <adriyel> you know...public.
[12:21] <kbrooks> Wolfwood: the *government* can't arrest you for speaking out against the *government*
[12:21] <Wolfwood> I went to public school
[12:22] <kuja> kameron: And, works, apparently.
[12:22] <kameron> kuja, cool.
[12:22] <adriyel> public school censorship is bleh.
[12:22] <kameron> kuja, what ruby files do you need install to run a ruby script?
[12:22] <Wolfwood> Government can't technically arrest anyone..
[12:22] <ompaul> gents please  move the conversation to the channel #ubuntu-offtopic or Madpilot or I will enforce it and I don't want to op myself today, please
[12:22] <kuja> kameron: sudo apt-get install ruby
[12:22] <Wolfwood> I tried.
[12:22] <cwillu> whats the link to the firefox 1.5 instructions again?
[12:22] <Wolfwood> i know what I did - forgot my #
[12:22] <redblade> So anyway i got mplayer and mozilla plugin but it won't play the mp3
[12:22] <kbrooks> Wolfwood: show the ops you tried ;)
[12:22] <Madpilot> !ff1.5
[12:22] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[12:23] <cwillu> thx
[12:23] <Madpilot> np
[12:23] <ndlovu> can anyone help me figure out why my cron jobs are not running (or one in particular)?
[12:23] <redblade> Do I have to do something else now?
[12:23] <Eiscreme> People,  _PLEASE_ give me an official   MD5-Sum  for the  Breezy   CD  ISO of  "Kubuntu"
[12:23] <Eiscreme> there is none in any of the mirrors
[12:23] <kameron> kuja, script works for me fine now that i have the ruby packages installed.
[12:23] <cwillu> btw, if I start what I think is a mozilla.org build, go to about:, and see that it's still talking about ubuntu, does that mean I'm not running the program I think I'm running?
[12:23] <skaja> oh god i dont know should i get gtk2.x theam/style or 1.x styles/themes?
[12:24] <kameron> cwillu, probably
[12:24] <Madpilot> Eiscreme, no md5sum file at the mirrors?
[12:24] <ompaul> ndlovu, usually one of two problems the timing is wrong or the script carries no environment
[12:24] <redblade> the site (mine) requires quicktime to be played
[12:24] <Eiscreme> Madpilot: none
[12:24] <kameron> cwillu, unless the moz.org build is an ubuntu one
[12:24] <Madpilot> skaja, look for gtk2.x and Metacity stuff
[12:24] <cwillu> it's not
[12:24] <redblade> is quicktime available for Linux?
[12:24] <ndlovu> ompaul: what do you mean it carries no environment?
[12:24] <cwillu> downloaded from mozilla.org itself
[12:24] <Eiscreme> Madpilot: thats really bad .. but please notice that I am talking about  Kubuntu
[12:24] <ihavenohat> hey does anyone know why I can't get the players on the ubuntu live cd to play the .mp3 files from my usb memory stick
[12:24] <r3v3rs3pa> anyone know why my mp3 dvds are being listed as 0 files/folders... i believe they are burned in um, whatchamacallit, udf format is it?
[12:24] <kameron> ihavenohat, live-cd doesn't have mp3 support.
[12:24] <Madpilot> Eiscreme, it's mostly the same mirrors, though, I think?
[12:25] <ompaul> ndlovu, some assumption about paths or some such
[12:25] <r3v3rs3pa> i am on ubuntu
[12:25] <ihavenohat> thatnks
[12:25] <redblade> QuickTime?
[12:25] <Eiscreme> Madpilot: but different download directories
[12:25] <redblade> !quicktime
[12:25] <ubotu> from memory, quicktime is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information on quicktime support or just install the "libquicktime1" package.
[12:25] <Eiscreme> Madpilot: I got my ISO from here:   http://ubuntu.intergenia.de/releases/kubuntu/5.10/
[12:26] <Eiscreme> Madpilot: please do anything to give me an MD5-Sum  before I burn it
[12:26] <Eiscreme> please
[12:26] <Madpilot> Eiscreme, just a sec
[12:26] <ndlovu> ompaul: I've set the path so it should work, and I don't think there are timing issues (but could be wrong). are there logs that I can check to see if it's running at all?
[12:26] <Madpilot> Eiscreme, http://ubuntu.intergenia.de/releases/kubuntu/5.10/MD5SUMS
[12:26] <kuja> kameron: Yeah. works for me too. the ./path/to/script.rb did the trick.
[12:27] <Eiscreme> Madpilot: oh wow !!
[12:27] <Madpilot> Eiscreme, the md5sum files are always right at the top of the directories w/ the ISOs
[12:27] <Eiscreme> Madpilot: sorry
[12:27] <kuja> kameron: Though: sh path/to/script.rb doesn't
[12:27] <Madpilot> np
[12:27] <Eiscreme> Madpilot: I am very sorry for bothering you .. I really tried to find them
[12:27] <kameron> kuja, ./script
[12:27] <kuja> yeah
[12:27] <kuja> kameron: I don't quite understand the difference, yet.
[12:27] <Madpilot> Eiscreme, it's OK - I was about to tell you to file a bug against the mirror you used, for not having the md5sum files :P
[12:28] <Eiscreme> Madpilot: just one more question:   How can I verify the sums now?
[12:28] <kameron> kuja, i can't really explain it.
[12:28] <Madpilot> Eiscreme, which OS are you in right now?
[12:28] <Eiscreme> Madpilot: Mepis
[12:28] <Eiscreme> a debian based distro
[12:28] <ompaul> ndlovu, /var/log/syslog has some info
[12:28] <Madpilot> it should have the command-line md5 utils
[12:28] <r3v3rs3pa> whelp, i answered my own question udf support has to be built in most distros, i assume it is the same with ubuntu
[12:29] <Eiscreme> bash: md5: command not found
[12:29] <ompaul> r3v3rs3pa, udf?
[12:29] <kbrooks> question.
[12:29] <Eiscreme> Enth: Couldn't find package md5
[12:29] <r3v3rs3pa> err, ya my dvd's of mp3's show up as empty discs
[12:29] <Madpilot> Eiscreme, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto
[12:29] <kbrooks> tomboy should be included in dapper+1, no?
[12:29] <cwillu> one of these days, I'm going to remember that the current folder _isn't_ on the system path
[12:30] <ompaul> kbrooks, you should know to just ask :-
[12:30] <Madpilot> Eiscreme, you want the "md5sum" util
[12:30] <ompaul> kbrooks, http://packages.ubuntu.com/ the fountain of all knowledge
[12:30] <kameron> cwillu, it is, isn't it?
[12:31] <Eiscreme> Madpilot: cool I have it
[12:31] <Eiscreme> Madpilot: thank you very much once more :)
[12:31] <cwillu> no, you can't run an application in the current dir without prefixing it with ./
[12:31] <skaja> how do i install a new style
[12:31] <Madpilot> Eiscreme, just read the "Check the ISO" part on that page I gave you
[12:31] <david> Can't install applications via "Install Application" must use apt
[12:31] <david> because sudo seems to make problems
[12:32] <cwillu> not that I take issue with that, I'm just fighting against 15 years of dos
[12:33] <kameron> cwillu, oh.. yes.. i thought you meant you couldn't do that when you're in the dir.
[12:33] <skaja> ok did it
[12:34] <markitoxs> hello
[12:34] <markitoxs> does anyone know, how to solve a " abi version mismatch" problem?
[12:34] <kameron> word up markitoxs, welcome to the freenode party channel
[12:34] <oga> i need to know which directory ubuntu stores its kernel headers
[12:35] <thn1> Impossible d'afficher /media/usbdisk/Right Here Waiting.lrc.   There were no decoders to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins.  How do I get to the mp3 mass storage unit to work on ubuntu?
[12:35] <skaja> hay how do i get the debian menu image dont want the ubuntu image :-x
[12:35] <oga> what directory does ubuntu keep the kernel source code?
[12:36] <tonyyarusso> ubotu: tell thn1 about mp3
[12:36] <spiderman> good afternoon everybody. i am new in ubuntu and I've been trying to set upmy DSL Network for mroe than a week. UNfortunately, I simply cannot connect.....
[12:36] <Madpilot> need to get out of here - later, all. Have fun
[12:36] <mdeboer> oga: did you install them?
[12:37] <tonyyarusso> I officially hate my ISP!
[12:37] <oga> dang.... probably not...... (following cisco installation guide for VPN setup).... how do i get them...  synaptic / from CD ???
[12:37] <ompaul> spiderman, what are you using to create the dhcp leases?
[12:37] <mdeboer> oga: synaptic should be ok. look for linux-headers
[12:37] <oga> using Breezyk
[12:38] <oga> thanks
[12:38] <spiderman> ompaul: I don't understand, sorry.
[12:38] <ompaul> spiderman, what is your network configuration
[12:38] <spiderman> pppoe
[12:39] <spiderman> a
[12:39] <oga> and of course the question is now... what's the command to find out what kernel i'm using
[12:39] <tonyyarusso> oga: uname -r
[12:39] <skaja> there is somthing wrong with my apt-get it cant find nothing
[12:40] <spiderman> ompaul:pppoe
[12:40] <Delvien> hey guys how can i force a install of gstreamer-0.8misc ? everytime i apt-get update it tells me error cannot install
[12:40] <dobblego> CD/DVD Creator gives me "some files have invalid filenames" - is there any way to figure out *which* files?
[12:40] <ompaul> spiderman, not the question is your setup Internet - Router/Hub/device - Computer or Internet - Computer
[12:40] <Delvien> dobblego most times its too long of a file name, look for those
[12:40] <oga> mdeboer tonyyarusso much obliged
[12:40] <dobblego> Delvien, cheers (what a pain!)
[12:41] <spiderman> omapual:again, I don't know what you've just said
[12:41] <dejx> what's the runlevel for just console
[12:41] <dejx> not starting X at booting...
[12:41] <ompaul> spiderman, I cam asking you what way is your computer connected to the internet is it via a device (router) or not
[12:41] <cwillu> anybody know of an irc client that can sort/organize messages by sender?
[12:41] <dejx> ompaul, you're still online
[12:41] <dejx> :O
[12:42] <ompaul> dejx, according to rumour that is false :-)
[12:42] <tonyyarusso> Okay, it seems Gnome programs are having trouble accessing the internet, but irssi in a virtual terminal is just fine.  Any ideas?
[12:42] <dejx> if you remember you helped my yesterday, it was today actually
[12:42] <dejx> but i went to bed ;-)
[12:42] <Delvien> hey guys how can i force a install of gstreamer-0.8misc ? everytime i apt-get update it tells me error cannot install
[12:42] <ompaul> dejx, yes
[12:42] <dejx> my/me
[12:42] <cwillu> tony, is there a proxy involved?
[12:43] <funkyHat> tonyyarusso, system > preferences > network proxy
[12:43] <tonyyarusso> cwillu: What do you mean by sort?  For logs or something?
[12:43] <tonyyarusso> cwillu: No.
[12:43] <cwillu> no, like right now, everybody who's talking
[12:43] <dejx> so? what's the runlevel, anyone?
[12:43] <cwillu> rather than timestamp based
[12:43] <dobblego> it was the funny "AE" character in the Tool Aenima song (for those who know it)
[12:44] <anthony> hey, i have used linux (ubuntu 5.10rc and the release version) about 3 months ago, but i stopped shortly after, so i have forgotten pretty much all the commands, now could some one point me to the way of editing one's sources.list? i remembered it's something along the line of... sudo gedit something/sources.list
[12:44] <ompaul> dejx, 1
[12:44] <bimberi> anthony: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:44] <oga> if i want to use make i need to use binutils or something like that hey
[12:44] <rendi> !upgrade
[12:44] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade, Upgrading to dapper? Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html
[12:44] <ompaul> anthony, don't add in repos that are not for ubuntu
[12:44] <tonyyarusso> cwillu: I know Gaim can sort the buddy list by log size, maybe current activity, and you can get tabbed windows by group.
[12:44] <funkyHat> oga, if you want to use make do this: sudo apt-get intsall build-essential
[12:45] <dejx> thank you
[12:45] <anthony> bimberi: thanks
[12:45] <anthony> ompaul: i'm just enabling  the backport and the multiverse repository =)
[12:46] <bimberi> anthony: np :)
[12:46] <tonyyarusso> The best part about the internet connection thing is it's totally sketchy.  Up one minute, gone the next.
[12:46] <ompaul> anthony, okay
[12:46] <oga> funkyHat, thanks
[12:46] <dejx> # Runlevel 1 is single-user.
[12:46] <cwillu> what I'm thinking is, for example, in this room, there being a visible pane for each active chatter
[12:46] <dejx> but i want tty1,tty2,tty3
[12:46] <dejx> and this is a server, so, just not starting X
[12:46] <dejx> id:4:initdefault:
[12:47] <dejx> what num is there?
[12:47] <bigmoe> anyone know what is the package for compiling csharp in ubuntu
[12:47] <funkyHat> dejx, that's not a runlevel, just remove X from the startup scripts...
[12:47] <funkyHat> dejx, or uninstall X
[12:47] <cwillu> userPanes[ircMessage.user] .write(ircMessage.text) would be the idea
[12:47] <dejx> aha, ok
[12:48] <dejx> funkyHat, which runlever was previously
[12:48] <dejx> in inittab?
[12:48] <dejx> if you maybe know, cuz i changed and i dont remember now
[12:48] <funkyHat> i'll look in mine
[12:49] <funkyHat> 2
[12:49] <dejx> thank you
[12:49] <skaja>  Art Manager in not installed
[12:50] <ccooke> dejx: Debian distributions only define runlevels 0, 1, 2 and 6. Normal operation is runlevel 2.
[12:50] <ccooke> and Ubuntu inherits its approach from there
[12:51] <Curtman> How do I make automake/aclocal/etc default to using version 1.9, and autoconf/autoheader/etc default to 2.50?
[12:51] <ccooke> If you don't want X starting on bootup, then you can simply disable gdm in the 'services' panel (System -> Administration -> Services) or from the command line with 'sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove'
[12:52] <skaja> !tell skaja about firewalls
[12:52] <anthony> okay, what i would like to do now is do a clean "server install" of ubuntu, so just the base system, the reason for this is i don't want all the applications ubuntu pre-install on my computer (such as openoffice, xsane, evolution, etc.), yes i know i can remove them in synaptic packet manager but there might be unused dependencies left behind, and besides, i like to do a clean install =) so my question is: due to my lack o
[12:52] <anthony> f knowledge with the CLI, i would like to get the x windows system (GUI), gnome, and the synaptic manager up and running after the server installation, what are the packages i need to get in order to get these things (GUI, which is gnome, and synaptic packet manager) up and running? (i know if i do sudo apt-get build-dep xorg then it will install xorg and all of its dependencies, the problem is i don't know which "core" pa
[12:52] <anthony> ckages to install in order to get the GUI  up and running)
[12:52] <skaja> !tell skaja about firefox
[12:53] <funkyHat> anthony, you don't need to get build deps for anything.
[12:53] <ccooke> anthony: okay. Firstly, you want the base system and ubuntu-minimal
[12:54] <anthony> ok hold on  let me write these down, by the way, if there is a wiki or howto on this you guys can just direct me to there then i can just read up
[12:54] <dejx> for mysql
[12:54] <dejx> what the name of package to install with apt-get ?
[12:55] <funkyHat> anthony, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg gnome gdm synaptic
[12:55] <oga> I'm getting an error saying that "could not attach to driver. Is the kernel module loaded"....  any help?
[12:55] <bimberi> dejx: mysql-server, but check here ...
[12:55] <bimberi> !lamp
[12:55] <ubotu> lamp is, like, Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[12:56] <dejx> root@server:/etc/init.d# chmod -x xorg-common
[12:56] <ccooke> anthony: Secondly, there are nice command line tools which can help you work out this information
[12:56] <dejx> this will stop starting X at booting, right?
[12:56] <funkyHat> dejx, that will break things, don't do that
[12:56] <dejx> its only *x*
[12:56] <dejx> in init.d
[12:57] <funkyHat> dejx, sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[12:57] <funkyHat> as ccooke said earlier
[12:57] <ccooke> dejx: ... it will *break* things.
[12:57] <ccooke> dejx: use the update-rc.d funkyHat and I gave you
[12:57] <cwillu>  although that'd be one interesting way of breaking things... :)
[12:57] <funkyHat> hehe
[12:57] <dejx> ok:) i +x it back
[12:57] <anthony> funkyHat: thank you, just for reconfirmation if i do that after the server installation of the base system then it will install the gnome gui correct?
[12:58] <tonyyarusso> ubotu: tell skaja about firefox1.5
[12:58] <anthony> ccooke: could you clarify what are these "nice command line tools" that you are referring  to?
[12:58] <ccooke> anthony: sure.
[12:58] <ccooke> anthony: to see what packages a package depends on, you say:
[12:58] <funkyHat> anthony, yes, that will install the gnome gui, synaptic, the login screen(gdm) and the X server, and all dependencies of those packages
[12:58] <ccooke> anthony: apt-cache depends packagename
[12:58] <dejx> ok, lets reboot;)
[12:58] <ccooke> anthony: to see what packages depend on a package, you do:
[12:59] <ccooke> anthony: apt-cache rdepends packagename
[12:59] <funkyHat> anthony, actually, you may rather install gnome-core than gnome
[12:59] <funkyHat> anthony, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg gnome-core gdm synaptic
[12:59] <michael> #ubuntu-fr
[12:59] <funkyHat> the gnome package includes quite a few extras that you may not want, like gnome-office
[01:00] <kuja> Or simply... sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop :)
[01:00] <ccooke> anthony: you should also try 'apt-cache show packagename', which gives you all the metadata for packagename
[01:00] <gnomefreak> pssssst ubuntu-desktop ;)
[01:00] <funkyHat|away> kuja, anthony wants a minimal installation
[01:00] <gnomefreak> than he doesnt want gnome :(
[01:00] <ccooke> anthony: Also, if you're going for a minimal build, try installing debfoster.
[01:00] <kuja> funkyHat|away: Not exactly the priviledge on systems like Debian, Ubuntu, RedHat, or all non-Gentoo systems for that mater.
[01:00] <kuja> matter, even.
[01:01] <kuja> "minimal" is possible, but may not be satisfactory.
[01:01] <skaja> dont have a /opt dir
[01:01] <ccooke> anthony: it will allow you to prune things
[01:01] <funkyHat|away> skaja, sudo mkdir /opt?
[01:01] <Fredde> Has anyone here tried cedega for playing games?
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> I give up.  I'm going to bed and hoping my ISP gets its act together before I go online next, or I might just scream, probably at them over the phone.
[01:02] <kuja> Fredde: I have, but I don't like it. I'd rather just use Windows for that.
[01:02] <ccooke> kuja: ... I'd have to dispute that. The debian base system (which ubuntu uses) is a very good eample of a minimal system - it's small but you can a huge number of things with it.
[01:02] <Fredde> kuja: ok
[01:02] <kuja> ccooke: The base system, yes.
[01:02] <ccooke> it's not, say, an embedded system. But if you need one of those, you need to tailor it for your hardware anyway
[01:02] <kuja> ccooke: Once you start installing things, you don't have as much control on dependencies as you'd want, because it's all precompiled.
[01:03] <gnomefreak> all depends on how YOU define satisfactory (when spelled right)
[01:03] <ccooke> kuja: actually, you have all the control you need.
[01:03] <ccooke> kuja: precompilation is a nice thing which works for most people
[01:03] <kuja> Yes, I agree.
[01:03] <ccooke> but you should have deb-src lines, so you can recompile anything you need.
[01:03] <kuja> I'm not a fan of Gentoo, personally, it's really a PITA for my p3 500, and precompiled packages fit perfectly for this desktop.
[01:04] <oga> ok i'm trying to install a VPN link w/ Cisco & ubuntu , i've downloaded the linux-headers but it doesent seem to work i'm afraid I don't actually have the kernel source, which one do i need? uname -r gives "2.6.12-10-386" but synaptic does not seem to have that kernel source
[01:04] <anthony> funkyHat: thank you for your help!; ccooke: so i would be installing debfoster along with the xserver_org, gnome-core, gdm, and synaptic correct?
[01:04] <ccooke> oga: the -386 bit is the architecture
[01:05] <oga> ccooke: i know but there is no source for 2.6.12
[01:05] <test>
[01:05] <ccooke> oga: the package is linux-source-2.6.12
[01:05] <ndlovu> ompaul: I've checked my logs and the user's crontab just doesn't seem to be running. I've put the output of crontab -e (together with the relevant backup script) here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9443. Is there something wrong with it?
[01:06] <oga> and it was right there all the time, (i'm blind)
[01:06] <ccooke> oga: and it's in main. so, yes. It exists.
[01:06] <oga> i was just looking in the wrong place like a fool
[01:06] <anthony> ccooke: nevermind, i got it, thank you very much for your help also! and wish me luck =)
[01:07] <ndlovu> ompaul: the backup script works fine if I run it from the command line
[01:07] <skaja> how do i configer the firewall
[01:08] <gnomefreak> skaja: use firestarter
[01:08] <skaja> whats that
[01:08] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell skaja about firestarter
[01:09] <gnomefreak> how important is fileroller? is it safe to delete or is that what apt uses? is there a way to configure it?
[01:09] <ompaul> ndlovu, sorry I was off doing stuff - em how about including the path to mysqldump
[01:10] <gnomefreak> not even gonna ask :(
[01:10] <skaja> tony that did not tell me how to set it up
[01:10] <skaja> wow
[01:11] <skaja> err i ment gnomefreak
[01:12] <kuja> Ah damn. This would have been a good time to test my bot. I've always been waiting for a netsplit. They don't happen as often as they used to on FreeNode... grr
[01:12] <gnomefreak> skaja: its not going to due to everyones system being different but first you really  should install it
[01:12] <ompaul> gnomefreak, file-roller is part of gnome - so I imagine it could be removed, why are you thinking about removing it
[01:12] <skaja> it is instaal apt-get cant find it
[01:13] <gnomefreak> ompaul: when i download a tar it puts it into /tmp even though i direct it somewhere else
[01:13] <gnomefreak> !firestarter
[01:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter, which can be installed via synaptic.
[01:13] <Agent_bob> if i do an 'ifconfig' and it says nothing.   does that mean that ssh can not work ?
[01:13] <ndlovu> ompaul: hmm.. it seems it was the user path that was missing: 55 * * * * /home/user/.backupscr.sh seems to work. Thanks for the help!
[01:13] <gnomefreak> they didnt add the add:(
[01:14] <gnomefreak> !info firestarter
[01:14] <ubotu> firestarter: (gtk program for managing and observing your firewall), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-1.1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 384 kB, Installed size: 1904 kB
[01:14] <ompaul> ndlovu, ahh
[01:14] <gnomefreak> skaja: enable universe repo
[01:14] <Agent_bob> anyone know about sshd  that might help me trubble shoot my self ?
[01:15] <andrew_> ubuntu is cool i may even get rin of windoze
[01:15] <skaja> dont know how?
[01:15] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell skaja about universe
[01:16] <gnomefreak> skaja: enable multiverse while your there too
[01:16] <Agent_bob> networking support is where ?
[01:17] <ompaul> gnomefreak, it works perfectly for me, did some tests like created new archives
[01:17] <dooglus> ndlovu: is .backupscr.sh executable?
[01:17] <cwillu> it's sad when you stay up so late that you're actually getting up really early
[01:17] <ompaul> dooglus, he has it solved
[01:17] <dooglus> ok
[01:17] <ndlovu> dooglus: yep. working now
[01:17] <Agent_bob> tty23 [greg$~]  ssh -l greg localhost
[01:17] <Agent_bob> RossH: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection timed out
[01:18] <gnomefreak> ompaul: thats strange are you running dapper or breezy?
[01:18] <skaja> i have 5.10 what is the code name?
[01:18] <gnomefreak> breezy
[01:18] <gnomefreak> skaja: breezy badger is 5.10
[01:18] <andrew_> erm hello
[01:18] <skaja> thanks
[01:18] <dooglus> ndlovu: I wonder why ./.backupscr.sh wasn't working?
[01:18] <ompaul> gnomefreak, 5.10 breezy _was_ the name in pre production
[01:19] <Agent_bob> tty23 [greg$~]  ssh -l greg localhost
[01:19] <Agent_bob> RossH: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection timed out
[01:20] <nathanj> my tv card is detected fine but there is nothing @ /dev/video...?
[01:20] !lilo:*! Whoops, lost a small regional hub...affected users, about 350
[01:21] <dooglus> ompaul: check in /etc/lsb-release : "breezy" is still the code name
[01:22] <ompaul> dooglus, it should not be :-/ officially that name dies when it reaches the wire to change it would be a cause of serious pain
[01:22] <Agent_bob> how to get sshd and ssh to play on the same box ?
[01:22] <ompaul> but a good point and well made :)
[01:23] <gnomefreak> where would i find the conf file for fileroller other than gconf in home
[01:24] <dooglus> ompaul: also, http://ubuntu.com/download says: 'The Ubuntu team is proud to announce Ubuntu 5.10 "The Breezy Badger".'
[01:24] <ompaul> dooglus, have a look in this https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder archive for Re: On the subject of naming the Dapper successor month of Feburary
[01:24] <kbrooks> how do i use gdesklets!
[01:24] <gnomefreak> kbrooks: it should be in your menu
[01:24] <dejx> apt-get is very cool, is there any search function
[01:24] <dejx> like
[01:24] <kbrooks> gnomefreak: i launnched it
[01:24] <dejx> apt-get search hihi
[01:24] <Agent_bob> oh crap!   would this line in /etc/security/access.conf have anything to do with it ????    ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection timed out
[01:24] <tsw> dejx: apt-cache search
[01:24] <dejx> and it will found all
[01:24] <dejx> thank!
[01:24] <dejx> :D
[01:24] <gnomefreak> kbrooks: choose what you want (its kind of like a tree)
[01:25] <Agent_bob> -:ALL:ALL EXCEPT LOCAL
[01:25] <kbrooks> gnomefreak: i picked one
[01:25] <dooglus> ompaul: any particular URL?
[01:25] <ompaul> dejx, apt-cache search and when you want to know more apt-cache show
[01:25] <gnomefreak> dejx: apt-cache search packagename
[01:25] <Agent_bob> so if i change that to -:root:ALL EXECPT LOCAL  it should work ?
[01:26] <ompaul> dooglus, look for Jane Silber's post in Febuary https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-February/date.html from the archive link on that page
[01:27] <Agent_bob> ok thanks for all the help guys.  next time i'll just figure it out my self.
[01:28] <dooglus> ompaul: I see.  So they don't intend to call it "breezy" after launch, but did so, and continue to do so on the official site.
[01:28] <dooglus> ompaul: I'm not surprised :)
[01:29] <ompaul> dooglus, :-) no comment
[01:29] <omen> hi
[01:29] <kbrooks> what is missing from ubuntu?
[01:29] <omen> can anyone tell me how to install packages that arent in the SPM?
[01:30] <skaja> lots of stuff
[01:30] <funkyHat> ubotu, tell omen about repositories
[01:30] <gnomefreak> omen: what package?
[01:30] <CarinArr> omen, .deb packages?
[01:30] <kbrooks> skaja: like?
[01:30] <omen> the package for amsn 0.95
[01:31] <mdeboer> hi, i try to run xgl and compiz, following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto , but after run compiz --replace ...., my windows don't have a titlebar anymore. any idea what might be wrong?
[01:31] <kbrooks> omen: not packages
[01:31] <nathanj> how can i look at my current kernel config
[01:31] <kbrooks> i'm talking about
[01:31] <funkyHat> !info amsn
[01:31] <ubotu> amsn: (An MSN messenger written in tcl), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.94-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1946 kB, Installed size: 6976 kB
[01:31] <ndlovu> dooglus: sorry, was away... not sure why ./.backupscr.sh didn't work, but I suspect it doesn't use the user's home directory as the current directory. whatever you run must be explicit from the root or in the path
[01:31] <omen> i have version .94
[01:31] <omen> but i want to upgrade to 0.95
[01:31] <xxorg> hello
[01:32] <funkyHat> omen, do you have a .deb file for 0.95?
[01:32] <xxorg> how may I undelete some files from a linux partition?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> omen: its more work than its worth (what ive heard from people) funky no they dont
[01:32] <kbrooks> xxorg: cant.
[01:32] <skaja> ubuntu is a debian distro debian uses 13 cds ubuntu uses 1
[01:32] <shukhrat> hello people i recently install Ubuntu , how can i install MySQL ?
[01:32] <kbrooks> skaja: and?
[01:32] <xxorg> kbrooks: can't I?
[01:32] <omen> its just .package?
[01:32] <kbrooks> shukhrat: which mysql?
[01:33] <CarinArr> xxorg, how didyou delete it?
[01:33] <kbrooks> omen: its not hard to install .packages
[01:33] <gnomefreak> omen: its a .tar.gz iirc
[01:33] <shukhrat> MySQL 4.1 server
[01:33] <funkyHat> gnomefreak, looks like he has an autopackage
[01:33] <kbrooks> omen:
[01:33] <gnomefreak> ahhhhhhh that should be easy enough than
[01:33] <omen> how do i do it?
[01:33] <omen> im rather new
[01:33] <kbrooks> omen: go to autopackage.org
[01:33] <xxorg> I wanted to remove all the file in a directory
[01:34] <xxorg> and I made "rm * /directory/" :D
[01:34] <funkyHat> kbrooks, autopackages auto-install the autopackage manager don't they...
[01:34] <xxorg> so I deleted all the files in my $HOME
[01:34] <kbrooks> omen: the channel for AP talk is #autopackage
[01:34] <macewan> grrr, hate when totem takes over for .rm links in firefox
[01:34] <funkyHat> kbrooks, so no need to visit the site
[01:34] <CarinArr> xxorg, then you can't recover them with any standard tools
[01:34] <CarinArr> maybe be able to find a disk recovery tool or something tho.. no idea
[01:34] <kbrooks> funkyHat: dont understand
[01:34] <kbrooks> funkyHat:
[01:34] <dooglus> ndlovu: well, I made ~/script.sh and that runs when I run "./script.sh" from a crontab
[01:35] <kbrooks> http://www.autopackage.org/docs/howto-install/?PHPSESSID=673c8a527699a9b512da345886d753b7
[01:35] <CarinArr> xxorg, the more you use the drive the less chance you'd have of recovering it tho
[01:35] <funkyHat> omen, uninstall amsn, and then chmod +x packagename.package && sudo ./packagename.package
[01:35] <shukhrat> MySQL administrator doesn't work why ?
[01:35] <macewan> how do i reset it browser to use realplay instead of totem
[01:35] <xxorg> can I install the recovery software on the same partition?
[01:36] <ndlovu> dooglus: there's a cron guide here: http://esm2.imt-mrs.fr/~staffelb/guide_linux/part1/cron.html, which seems to agree with you. Must be something strange in my setup
[01:36] <funkyHat> kbrooks, ahh, that's easier to follow
[01:36] <kbrooks> funkyHat: does he really want to install from CLI? :)
[01:36] <funkyHat> hehehe
[01:36] <omen> thnx funky
[01:36] <funkyHat> omen, look at the link that kbrooks just posted: how to install without using the command line :)
[01:37] <CarinArr> xxorg, well you could but it probably wouldn't be a fantastic idea as you might overwrite it
[01:37] <CarinArr> i.e. overwrite the area where your stuff was before you deleted it
[01:37] <nyet1david> hi
[01:38] <dooglus> ndlovu: of course, it's best to specify the full path anyway.  I was just curious as to why it wasn't working.  what if you add a line to your crontab saying:    * * * * * pwd >> /tmp/pwd
[01:38] <dooglus> ndlovu: then wait a minute and look at /tmp/pwd to see what directory it is using
[01:38] <ndlovu> dooglus: lemme try that
[01:38] <nyet1david> can anyone help me install java in linux
[01:38] <_Rex> Hi
[01:38] <funkyHat> !java
[01:38] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[01:38] <ompaul> !java
[01:38] <CarinArr> heh
[01:39] <funkyHat> hehehe
[01:39] <dooglus> ndlovu: don't forget to take the line out again after, or it'll keep writing to /tmp/pwd every minute
[01:39] <shukhrat> HOW INSTALL MYSQL ? PEOPLE HELP
[01:39] <shukhrat> PLEASE
[01:39] <shukhrat> !
[01:39] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, shukhrat
[01:40] <funkyHat> shukhrat, sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[01:40] <funkyHat> !info mysql-server
[01:40] <gnomefreak> shukhrat: please turn the caps off
[01:40] <ubotu> mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-10ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 3471 kB, Installed size: 8796 kB
[01:40] <dooglus> shukhrat: TYPE "SUDO APT-GET INSTALL MYSQL-SERVER" INTO A TERMINAL
[01:40] <funkyHat> dooglus, lol
[01:40] <_Rex> !shipit
[01:40] <ubotu> shipit is, like, For free ubuntu CDs, visit https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[01:40] <_Rex> !info shipit
[01:41] <ndlovu> dooglus: it is /home/user. maybe it was just a timing issue then that was the problem...
[01:41] <skaja> ubotu tell skaja about universe
[01:41] <dooglus> ndlovu: you mean you wrote the crontab just after it was due to 'go off'?
[01:43] <ndlovu> dooglus: well, just before but it could have been *too* close
[01:43] <mod^> is K8 amd athlon64
[01:43] <dooglus> is there any way for a regular user without sudo access to use anacron to make sure jobs get run once a day?
[01:43] <takedown> !video
[01:43] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, takedown
[01:44] <LaMatita> firestarter block my internet connection. why this?
[01:44] <dooglus> LaMatita: it's a firewall.  that's what firewalls do.
[01:44] <kbrooks> LaMatita: firewals do that
[01:44] <ndlovu> dooglus: I've tried removing the /home/user and it's working as it should now. Actually the way I had it before was just to run the mysqldump command, and that wasn't working. that could have been the path though.
[01:44] <_Rex> What is the time it is necessary to receive free ubuntu CD?
[01:44] <ndlovu> dooglus: run the mysqldump command directly I mean, without a script
[01:45] <LaMatita> ok but firefox doesn't open some pages
[01:45] <Ng> dooglus: crontab -e
[01:45] <dooglus> ndlovu: your PATH is set to /usr/bin:/bin by cron.  mysqldump is in /usr/bin, so that should be OK
[01:46] <dooglus> Ng: that's for cron, not anacron.
[01:46] <skaja> thanks gnomefreak for the help
[01:46] <Ng> dooglus: anacron just runs cron jobs
[01:46] <drgreborn> hi all, just a quick qn, how do i install mingw? thanks you
[01:46] <LaMatita> there's a firestarter guide?
[01:46] <dooglus> Ng: I want to make sure a job runs once a day, even if the machine isn't on 24/7
[01:46] <shukhrat> dear all !!! mysql doesn't want install but anywhere many thanks !!!
[01:47] <shukhrat> i 'll try leter !
[01:47] <dooglus> Ng: I don't think "crontab -e" can solve that problem, but if it can, would you give details please?
[01:47] <Ng> dooglus: I guess you could stick the files in /etc/cron.daily/ and give the user permission to edit them
[01:47] <skaja> ok now how do i start up firestarter
[01:47] <dooglus> Ng: that gives the user complete root access, so I may as well give him sudo access.
[01:47] <dooglus> Ng: I'd rather not do that.
[01:48] <ndlovu> dooglus: that's what I thought also, but it wasn't working with " 55 * * * * mysqldump | bzip2 > backup.sql.bz2"
[01:48] <elkbuntu> skaja, most likely applications -> system tools
[01:48] <mdeboer> is anyone using dapper + gnome + xgl + compiz succesfully here?
[01:48] <elkbuntu> or type the word into a term
[01:48] <ufo> how do i mount ssh with sshfs?
[01:48] <shukhrat> russian ??? any Russian
[01:48] <ufo> in fstab
[01:48] <shukhrat> here ?
[01:49] <dooglus> ndlovu: is your machine up 24/7?
[01:49] <scav> mdeboer: , yeh
[01:49] <LaMatita> how can i set java 5 path?
[01:49] <Ng> dooglus: it's still possible because cron can specify what user to run as, so you could make a new cron.daily for that user, but it does sound like anacron should really be updated to offer user level anacrontabs too
[01:49] <Ng> but mostly anacron sucks, leave your machine on 24/7 ;)
[01:49] <ndlovu> dooglus: no, it's my personal laptop, so it's pretty random
[01:49] <mdeboer> scav: did you follow the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto ?
[01:49] <dooglus> Ng: anacron works well for me, but only as root.
[01:50] <skaja> brb
[01:50] <scav> no, the one on ubuntuforums
[01:50] <mdeboer> scav: i did, but after running compiz, my windows have no decorations
[01:50] <scav> did you install compiz-gnome?
[01:50] <mdeboer> yes
[01:50] <scav> try gnome-window-decorator
[01:50] <scav> before you launch compiz
[01:51] <mdeboer> brb
[01:51] <dooglus> Ng: can you explain further?  I can see that cron allows me to specify which user to run as, but it's anacron which can run things once a day, not cron, so how does that help?
[01:51] <mgdm> Is NetworkManager or something similar in Dapper? I'm trying to configure WPA in Breezy and it's a bit of a pain unless I drop to the CLI, which I hoped we were past :D
[01:51] <shukhrat> is it imposible install in ubuntu rpm files ?
[01:52] <variant> shukhrat: not impossible.. but why would you want to?
[01:52] <dooglus> shukhrat: it's possible, using 'alien', but you should try to find a .deb or build from source.
[01:52] <mdeboer> scav: same problem
[01:52] <Ng> mgdm: yes
[01:52] <IbeeX> Hello can somabady hellp me with ALSA config?
[01:53] <Ng> dooglus: have anacron call su - SOMEUSER run-parts /home/SOMEUSER/cron.daily/   or something like that
[01:54] <mdeboer> IbeeX: what is your problem
[01:54] <IbeeX> I have nforce4 epox motherboard with acl850 chipset
[01:54] <dooglus> Ng: ok, that should work.  thanks
[01:54] <elkbuntu> eeps i forgot how to escape sudo
[01:55] <JThomas> I switched to Linux from the Mac
[01:55] <IbeeX> and I can't get microphone working
[01:55] <JThomas> I highly reccomend that you tell any former mac users about Gdesklets as it allows you to create a very functional dock
[01:55] <mdeboer> Ibeex: with alsamixer?
[01:55] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: exit?
[01:55] <IbeeX> then I tried to install realtek driver for linux and it broke my ALSA
[01:55] <Spooksie> does anyone know Grub here
[01:55] <IbeeX> I tried and alsa mixer is OK microphone is unmuted
[01:55] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, too easy, ty
[01:56] <mdeboer> IbeeX: how?
[01:56] <gnomefreak> Spooksie: just ask your question please if they know they will answer
[01:56] <IbeeX> and then I culd't reinstall alsa from packages
[01:57] <Spooksie> having problems with Grub booting OSX, Have put in 'title OSx - root (hd0,0) - chainloader + 1' wont boot
[01:57] <IbeeX> asamixer and scrooll to mic settings and it say on and volume level is all the way up
[01:57] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, try installing xubuntu-desktop atm for some moderate non-fatal fun
[01:57] <mdeboer> IbeeX: yes, that should work
[01:57] <comptonGame> huh
[01:57] <comptonGame> dejx hi :9
[01:57] <dejx> ola
[01:58] <mdeboer> IbeeX: the drivers that come with the kernel should be ok. no need to install them seperately
[01:58] <IbeeX> but it is not working
[01:58] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: i have the beta xfce installed
[01:58] <mdeboer> IbeeX: are you sure it is not a hardware problem?
[01:58] <IbeeX> and then I didn't hade any sound
[01:58] <gnomefreak> im having fileroller issues
[01:58] <IbeeX> on Win XP it is workig
[01:59] <mdeboer> IbeeX: hmm...
[01:59] <flaxi> Now, I just installed ubuntu, and on my gnome desktop I have two icons: hdb1 and hda5 (my NTFS partitions), and when I try to open them, it tells me I don't have permission (for I am not root), so why are they there by default? How can I use those icons to access them?
[01:59] <stu> who just swore - "*** XP"! shame on ya
[01:59] <IbeeX> i tried to reinstall alsa-tools but nothing no sound
[01:59] <IbeeX> :)
[01:59] <mdeboer> IbeeX: i do not know this driver... better ask on the alsa mailing list
[01:59] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, i'm just waiting impatiently until repos finish behaving... i'm not brave enough to try smart update or whatever
[01:59] <zdenal> test
[01:59] <Jonnings> Can someone please tell me why Ubuntu refuses to accept that i use two different wlan settings? It works if i specify the key and remain in the "network settings" thingy, but when i press ok it goes back to my old settings.. sup?
[01:59] <IbeeX> also how do you manualy setup alsi in UBUNTU there is no alsaconfig ??
[02:00] <mdeboer> gotta go...
[02:00] <IbeeX> bye
[02:00] <Spooksie> having problems with Grub booting OSX, Have put in 'title OSx - root (hd0,0) - chainloader + 1' wont boot
[02:00] <Dieseldd> irc.freenode.net
[02:00] <pansonic> is there an "AlbumWrap" type programme for ubuntu?
[02:00] <CarinArr> are you sure osx are on hd0,0?
[02:00] <skaja1> why is ssh trying to connect with me
[02:00] <flaxi> Anyone?
[02:00] <Dieseldd> Simple Backup help requested...
[02:00] <Spooksie> CarinArr :
[02:01] <jetscreamer> Spooksie: #grub if you need
[02:01] <Dieseldd> Is simple backup part of the Ubuntu installation?
[02:01] <Spooksie> CarinArr : it was the 1st thing i installed on the hdd
[02:01] <shukhrat> looking for russians
[02:01] <stu> Jonnings - best to set a profile in the network settings with one wlan active and the other deactived - then vice vera. So when you need to switch its just the profile switch and either one card active or other
[02:01] <CarinArr> spooksie, you're probably better off in #grub like jetscreamer says
[02:01] <IdleOne> !ru
[02:01] <ubotu> Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. # russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[02:01] <Spooksie> no one is talking in grub
[02:02] <gnomefreak> i cant believe you cant change the path in fileroller :(
[02:02] <jetscreamer> Spooksie: just ask, and wait
[02:02] <flaxi> I just installed ubuntu, and on my gnome desktop I have two icons: hdb1 and hda5 (my NTFS partitions), and when I try to open them, it tells me I don't have permission (for I am not root), so why are they there by default? How can I use those icons to access them?
[02:02] <jetscreamer> sometimes you wait for a while
[02:02] <jetscreamer> sometimes not
[02:02] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell Spooksie about grub
[02:02] <gnomefreak> Spooksie: read the pm ubotu sent you
[02:02] <Spooksie> oki, if you installed something fresh on a hdd for the 1st time would that be hd0,0?
[02:02] <dooglus> gnomefreak: what path in fileroller?
[02:02] <jetscreamer> flaxi: ammend your fstab for access
[02:03] <gnomefreak> dooglus: its sent to /tmp i want /home
[02:03] <jetscreamer> Spooksie: that's actually really a trick question
[02:03] <dooglus> gnomefreak: when you extract?  or the temporary file?
[02:03] <jetscreamer> it depends
[02:03] <flaxi> jetscreamer, thank you
[02:03] <Jonnings> stu: "location" = profile? Is it possible then to add an extra wireless connection, even tho i only have 1 wireless card?
[02:03] <gnomefreak> all of them the tar goes there first than when i extract it from cli it stays there
[02:03] <Spooksie> is there any partition viewed in ubuntu? so i can see all the partitions?
[02:04] <gnomefreak> i want it like it used to be when i say save here it saves here
[02:04] <dooglus> gnomefreak: I don't quite get it.  what are you doing exactly?
[02:04] <jetscreamer> cat /proc/partitions, cfdisk, fdisk -l
[02:04] <gnomefreak> dooglus: when i download a tar it saves it in /tmp  i want it saved in /home
[02:05] <stu> Jonnings: ah - thought you meant 2 cards - have you got kubuntu installed or just using gnome?
[02:05] <skaja> is there a way to install lilo?
[02:05] <stu> reason is you could put kwifi on
[02:05] <gnomefreak> dooglus: i dont want fileroller to start automaticlly either
[02:05] <jetscreamer> Spooksie: apt-get install lilo
[02:05] <gnomefreak> skaja: yes
[02:05] <dooglus> gnomefreak: that doesn't sound like a file-roller issue.  file-roller didn't download the file and put it in /tmp did it?
[02:05] <jetscreamer> oops NOOO
[02:05] <Jonnings> stu: i use the stuff that comes with ubuntu 5.10
[02:05] <jetscreamer> that was for whoever
[02:05] <shukhrat> package should be filed - what it is mean ? when i trying install mysql it says package should be filed.
[02:05] <gnomefreak> dooglus: something is regaurdles of where i put to save it to
[02:05] <skaja> i like old school :p
[02:06] <dooglus> gnomefreak: what are you downloading with?
[02:06] <gean> hi all
[02:06] <gnomefreak> ff
[02:06] <Jonnings> stu: i connect to two wireless different network (one at work, one at home). It refuses me to specify a key for the net at work
[02:06] <dooglus> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:06] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:06] <Jonnings> stu: if i press Ok, that is
[02:06] <stu> if you go into synaptic and look for kwifi - OR go to ADD/Remove Applications and expand the internet section / system tools < cant remember which you can get kwifi and that'll handle the profiles nicely
[02:06] <Jonnings> im using the net at work atm, so it works nicely
[02:06] <gnomefreak> dooglus: my ff settings for downloads are going to /home but they are not they are going into /tmp
[02:07] <_jason> gnomefreak: isn't their an option if firefox's download prefs?
[02:07] <gean> is there any chance to use some GUI to enlarge my partition (10GB are free now, there will be no windows+wine on this laptop any longar...)
[02:07] <skaja> who wants to see somthing funny
[02:07] <gnomefreak> _jason: its set to /home/gnomefreak
[02:07] <_jason> skaja: in #ubuntu-offtopic, a lot of people :)
[02:07] <_jason> gnomefreak: does firefox just download to /tmp or do they open in fileroller?
[02:07] <dooglus> gnomefreak: I think that's because ff isn't "save"ing the download, it's "open"ing it.
[02:08] <dooglus> gnomefreak: did you tell it to open a .tar file once, and tick "always do this in future"?
[02:08] <gnomefreak> _jason: while its downloading i can open /tmp and see it than fileroller auto opens to extract it and in prefference for fileroller says path /tmp
[02:08] <gean> where can i get some information on partitioning and repartitioning
[02:08] <gnomefreak> dooglus: no i dont think i did
[02:08] <skaja> blocked connections port 445 service microsoft ds
[02:08] <flaxi> jetscreamer, what did you mean by ammend the fstab file? I just quickly read http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html, but cannot find anything about letting me a user access my NTFS drives... I mean, they're there, but im not root, so I can't access them
[02:09] <_jason> gnomefreak: but if you do nothing, does the file open in fileroller by itself when it finishes downloading?
[02:09] <dooglus> gnomefreak: and is this ".tar" or ".tar.gz" or what, the file you're trying to download?
[02:09] <roh> hi
[02:09] <jetscreamer> what is the ubotu factoid for the fstab
[02:09] <gnomefreak> tar.gz
[02:09] <jetscreamer> !fstab
[02:09] <ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the diskmounter file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter  See <partitions>.
[02:09] <gnomefreak> im in ff prefference and nothing is in the download actions part
[02:09] <flaxi> jetscreamer, they're already configured there
[02:09] <jetscreamer> flaxi: you add umask=000 in the most basic crude form
[02:09] <flaxi> ahhh
[02:10] <flaxi> thank you, that's what I was confused about
[02:10] <jetscreamer> flaxi: man mount search fmask & dmask if you want to get fancy
[02:10] <jetscreamer> see also uid & gid
[02:10] <drgreborn> Just a qn, is there a tutorial on setting up mingw on ubuntu?
[02:11] <jetscreamer> gnomefreak: yes it's save here or ask or open d/l manager, or something
[02:11] <h3ax> ..
[02:11] <h3ax> amfg
[02:11] <anthony> ccooke: it worked out perfectly =) i had to  install x-window-system-core though to make things work, i think the problem was with fonts, the xserver kept crashing on boot
[02:11] <gnomefreak> jetscreamer: its set to save in /home/gnomefreak but it wont save it there anything
[02:11] <h3ax> any one with a little time to help meh out ?
[02:12] <_jason> h3ax: just ask :)
[02:12] <jetscreamer> gnomefreak: sounds weird, what happens if you have it set to ask every time?
[02:12] <gnomefreak> good question let me try
[02:13] <jetscreamer> use wget :)
[02:13] <h3ax> I got ubuntu running on a VMware as GuestOS, its been starting just fine and running 24/7 also. now i am just getting BlackScreen when laounche procedures are finished... ie when it should show Login screen i just have black screen
[02:13] <h3ax> wow now i just got to get a glimpse of my login screen
[02:14] <h3ax> and it disappeard again tho =/
[02:15] <Howitzer> if i want to remove everything openoffice related, what term do i have to use in 'sudo apt-get remove xxxxxx' ?
[02:16] <jetscreamer> try openoff* ... or apt-cache search then use the lowest common denominator
[02:16] <snowblink> h3ax, click to enter the vm. Sounds like the screen saver might be kicking in.
[02:16] <Tiffany16> is there actually any way to write to an ntfs partition using ubuntu?
[02:17] <jetscreamer> Tiffany16: yes it could be done if you were desperate but you don't really want to
[02:17] <Tiffany16> why is that?
[02:17] <jetscreamer> Tiffany16: use a vfat dmz
[02:17] <jetscreamer> because it only writes to preexisting files atm
[02:17] <dooglus> gnomefreak: I see.  I get the same problem.
[02:17] <jetscreamer> no create
[02:17] <h3ax> snowblink, "click to enter" sorry but what ya mean by that ? its not screen saver couse its not reacting to mouse movement nor key clicks
[02:17] <jetscreamer> and still might hose you so i wouldn't try
[02:17] <jetscreamer> and i do some weird stuff
[02:17] <dooglus> gnomefreak: (well, with .tgz files I do - my web server won't server .tar.gz files for some reason)
[02:17] <Howitzer> wtf
[02:18] <Tiffany16> i see...
[02:18] <snowblink> h3ax, you're running vmware and saying the screen is going black?
[02:18] <Howitzer> when i try that, it wants to remove every language-support Oo
[02:18] <Tiffany16> oh well, ill forget that idea then...
[02:18] <rahul> hello
[02:18] <h3ax> yeah when i reach login procedure
[02:18] <Howitzer> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[02:18] <Howitzer>   aspell aspell-en aspell-nl dictionaries-common gnome-spell language-support-en language-support-nl mozilla-thunderbird-locale-nl myspell-en-gb
[02:18] <Howitzer>   myspell-en-us
[02:18] <snowblink> h3ax, when I see that happening, it is because nothing is happening in that vm.
[02:18] <Howitzer> oops
[02:18] <Howitzer> sorry
[02:18] <kos> is there any gui vpn client (pptp) ?
[02:18] <mirak> hi
[02:19] <mirak> I don't have the manpages
[02:19] <jetscreamer> Howitzer: me personally, i like dselect's feature that you can highlight a header/title/subsection and preform operations on the entire section
[02:19] <h3ax> Nothing happeninge ?
[02:19] <jetscreamer> try synaptic maybe
[02:19] <h3ax> happening
[02:19] <jetscreamer> the manpages for...
[02:19] <h3ax> well i got a glimpse of the login screen before and then it disappeard
[02:19] <h3ax> again
[02:20] <gnomefreak> im assuming ff should have asked me before downloading it
[02:20] <IdleOne> gnomefreak:  what did it download?
[02:20] <jetscreamer> when you tell it to open the d/l manager yeah think so gnomefreak
[02:20] <thng> how do I get a mass storage unit  under ubuntu loaded.  Regarding mp3, the following question arise regarding decoder not found.  Impossible to read the media.
[02:20] <snowblink> h3ax, if you switch to any tty, after some time it will go blank if you do nothing
[02:20] <_jason> gnomefreak: still no luck?
[02:20] <gnomefreak> jetscreamer: it never did it just started
[02:20] <jetscreamer> thng w32codecs maybe
[02:20] <gnomefreak> nope
[02:20] <snowblink> h3ax, how long before your login disappears?
[02:21] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: it doesnt matter what i download
[02:21] <h3ax> well it aint even showing.. i got a glimpse 0.1 sec like and the screen goes blac
[02:21] <h3ax> kk
[02:21] <h3ax> k
[02:21] <jetscreamer> gnomefreak: no idea. you could try moving the .mozilla or .ff or whatever in your home dir and start with a clean slate and see what happens
[02:21] <h3ax> but that was the only time i got a glimpse of it
[02:21] <h3ax> ..
[02:21] <h3ax> btw
[02:21] <shukhrat> by all
[02:21] <Zoroaster> is there a way to switch amongst workspaces using only the keyboard?
[02:22] <shukhrat> BYE ALL
[02:22] <jetscreamer> ctrl alt # here
[02:22] <jetscreamer> for desktops
[02:22] <jetscreamer> ymmv
[02:22] <Guardiann> shukhrat bye :)
[02:22] <jetscreamer> and i don't mean f#
[02:22] <Howitzer> can it hurt to remove language-support-en x language-support-nl?
[02:22] <h3ax> its right after bootup is done and its loading in Loginscreen
[02:22] <_jason> Zoroaster: you can set it to whatever you want in system > prefs > keyboard shortcuts
[02:22] <jetscreamer> not if you don't use that language
[02:22] <Zoroaster> _jason, thanks for the help
[02:22] <derek_> Hi!
[02:23] <cwillu> (left ctrl and alt)
[02:23] <h3ax> its not cause i am not "useing" it or makeing movements on the screen
[02:23] <derek_> Can someone please help me run a .java file on my Ubuntu system?
[02:23] <Tiffany16> is it possible to have multiple wallpapers for various virtual workspaces in ubuntu?
[02:23] <alynx> h3ax: You do get the text mode to work?
[02:23] <jetscreamer> Tiffany16: yes
[02:23] <h3ax> yeah i just booted recovery mode
[02:23] <Tiffany16> how?
[02:23] <h3ax> i am in root now
[02:23] <jetscreamer> Tiffany16: i just know it can be easily set up, i never wanted to though
[02:24] <IdleOne> !tell derek_  about java
[02:24] <Tiffany16> oh well
[02:24] <ufo> eny good synaptics touchpad conf util?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> should i get rid of the .mozilla or open .mozilla and get rid of firefox?
[02:24] <alynx> h3ax: i had a simmillar problem once. Had to edit my xorg.conf and change my grapichs driver
[02:24] <ccooke> Zoroaster: There's a default keyboard shortcut of ctrl-alt-left and ctrl-alt-right, too
[02:24] <jetscreamer> gnomefreak: just mv it, don't delete it, you might want it back
[02:24] <derek_> IdleOne, I've installed the java runtime using a .deb file ..it works in my firefox browser.. isn't that enough to run a .java file?
[02:24] <h3ax> alynx, ok. what did you have to do the the Conf ?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> jetscreamer: where am i mv it to?
[02:25] <jetscreamer> gnomefreak: and i'd mv the .mozilla to like .moz-bckup or something
[02:25] <jetscreamer> just rename it
[02:25] <Zoroaster> ccooke, this is what I was looking for, perfect, thanks, it works good
[02:25] <jetscreamer> mv==rename or move
[02:25] <pudland> !ubotu
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[02:25] <MetaMorfoziS> !directrendering
[02:25] <alynx> i have a gforce 6600GT and had to change the "driver" section from nv to nvidia , had to sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx first though
[02:25] <ubotu> MetaMorfoziS: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:25] <alynx> h3ax: i have a gforce 6600GT and had to change the "driver" section from nv to nvidia , had to sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx first though
[02:25] <h3ax> hmm i got the same card
[02:26] <chmod775> Folks I have a problem
[02:26] <gnomefreak> jetscreamer:  so i want to type mv rename .mozilla .moz-bckup?  that right command?
[02:26] <alynx> h3ax: well :) i think thats the problem
[02:26] <Howitzer> yeeha
[02:26] <Howitzer> no more openoffice!
[02:26] <chmod775> I have wireless netgear router
[02:26] <pudland> !dri
[02:26] <ubotu> pudland: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:26] <jetscreamer> gnomefreak: mv .mozilla .moz-bckup
[02:26] <Tiffany16> ouch
[02:26] <kameron> gnomefreak, mv .mozille .mozbackup
[02:26] <Howitzer> Abiword FTW!
[02:26] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[02:26] <chmod775> What is happening is that I am browsing on my neighbours connection
[02:26] <chmod775> instead of mine
[02:26] <jetscreamer> gnomefreak: spell it right though eh, unlike me
[02:27] <h3ax> sec ima try that out.. i just med Xorg in root and i shows me a white and black Dotted screen (like when the TV aint tuned on a usable frequenzy)
[02:27] <ccooke> Zoroaster: you can also assign shortcuts in the keyboard shortcuts panel - The unassigned ones are for shifting directly to a numbered desktop and for moving "up" a desktop (for when you don't have all desktops in a line)
[02:27] <kameron> gnomefreak, 'mv' moves files, but if the last string isn't a destination, it just renames it to that, or moves it and renames it
[02:27] <chmod775> I use a wirless netgear router but in network-admin SMC wireless device is detected
[02:27] <alynx> h3ax: try sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx and then edit your xorg.conf and replace nv with nvidia. Then restart x
[02:27] <chmod775> what should I do to configure my network ?
[02:27] <chmod775> I am kinda confused
[02:27] <alynx> h3ax: then tell me how it goes
[02:27] <pontusen> chmod775,  try net-setup eth0 ?
[02:27] <h3ax> sure will
[02:27] <gnomefreak> ok its renamed
[02:27] <mikul> what shall i change to be able to use my soundcard for more then just one program at the same time?
[02:28] <funkyHat> alynx, rather than editing xorg.conf he should run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:28] <jetscreamer> now it's a virgin
[02:28] <gnomefreak> so just try again see if it helped?
[02:28] <jetscreamer> yeah.. but you'd still have to change the d/l prefs... iirc it's set by default to go to the desktop gnomefreak
[02:28] <gnomefreak> ok yeah i figured that
[02:29] <alynx> funkyHat: maybe so , but i got it to work that way , so thats why I was saying it. If your method works better , thats fine
[02:29] <h3ax> funkyHat, so apt-get install nivida-glx