[00:00] <coreyman1> i thought it would work.
[00:00] <coreyman1> mabye i dont have the repositories
[00:00] <coreyman1> where do i edit those
[00:00] <codecyphix> just use adept
[00:00] <coreyman1> can i use adept from cmd line
[00:00] <coreyman1> or "terminal"
[00:00] <codecyphix> nope
[00:00] <mefisto__> coreyman1: apt-cache search pidgin
[00:01] <coreyman1> thx mefisto
[00:01] <coreyman1> ill try that
[00:01] <mefisto__> coreyman1: may sudo apt-get update  first
[00:01] <mefisto__> *maybe
[00:02] <coreyman1> update worked
[00:02] <coreyman1> thx.
[00:04] <DaSkreech> coreyman1: sudo apt-get update first
[00:04] <DaSkreech> ah right
[00:04] <coreyman1> DaSkreech little late.
[00:04] <coreyman1> :P
[00:05] <DaSkreech> Sorry just came back
[00:05] <vbgunz> Dr_willis: a great way to do a fsck check on the next boot is to tune2fs -C 21 if max-mount-counts is 20, correct?
[00:05] <vbgunz> on next boot, fsck should run?
[00:05] <vbgunz> yeah, thats got to be it
[00:06] <mefisto__> vbgunz: sudo touch /forcefsck   will force a check on next boot
[00:06] <Dr_willis> Theres some other way to force a fsck on the next reboot.
[00:06] <Dr_willis> I think theres a command that does what mefisto__  just said also. :)
[00:06] <Dr_willis> I normally boot a live cd and fsck the disks that way
[00:06] <vbgunz> mefisto__: ok, if I say that will that check *all* disk?
[00:06] <DaSkreech> force fsck must set off so many FBI alarms
[00:06] <mefisto__> Dr_willis: there's an option for the shutdown command that does it too
[00:07] <DaSkreech> coreyman2: What are you Multiplicity 2?
[00:07] <vbgunz> never seen the shutdown option that offers that
[00:07] <coreyman2> DaSkreech different machines
[00:08] <mefisto__> vbgunz: I think it's sudo shutdown -r -F now
[00:09] <wallshot> hello.  is there a way to update all packages that need updating without wasting the whole afternoon with this adept ui?
[00:09] <DaSkreech> wallshot: There is a upgrade button in adept
[00:09] <vbgunz> I just went through man shutdown and don't see the -F option
[00:09] <DasEI1> vbgunz: want to shutdown via trml ?
[00:10] <wallshot> there are like 200+ packages needing upgrade, and every time i click checkbox for 'upgrade this package' it goes unresponsive for 5-15 secs considering dependencies before i can move on to chekc box next to the next upgradable package
[00:10] <jamesjedimaster> wallshot: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[00:10] <mefisto__> wallshot: sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:10] <jamesjedimaster> from a konsole
[00:10] <DaSkreech> wallshot: click on Changes and click upgrade
[00:10] <DaSkreech> wallshot: Does a full upgrade of your system
[00:10] <vbgunz> what does it mean to halt the system?
[00:10] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: What does it sound like?
[00:10] <wallshot> ooooh i thought i had to add all the packages to the list of packages to be upgraded first
[00:11] <DaSkreech> wallshot: nope
[00:11] <vbgunz> I mean, does it have anything to do with standby, suspend to ram, suspend to disk?
[00:11] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: Nope :) it just stops
[00:11] <wallshot> oooh "upgrade" vs "apply changes"
[00:11] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, no
[00:11] <DaSkreech> wallshot: uh huh
[00:11] <wallshot> awesome thanks!
[00:11] <DaSkreech> Cool
[00:11] <XPS_M1330> I have kubuntu intrepid kde4.2, do I have qt4 or qt3 ?
[00:11] <vbgunz> DaSkreech: not sure, I ask because I never done it. never even heard of it but see it in man shutdown
[00:11] <mefisto__> XPS_M1330: probably both
[00:12] <devilsadvocate> XPS_M1330, both
[00:12] <devilsadvocate> XPS_M1330, ideally most of the stuff is using qt4
[00:12] <vbgunz> DaSkreech: stops... does that mean, I can shutdown completely, unplug, plug, boot up and start where I left off? thats something I been looking for lately.... settled on suspend to ram though
[00:12] <vbgunz> so I cannot unplug, plug, etc heh
[00:12] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, for that ou need to suspend to disk
[00:12] <devilsadvocate> windows calls that hibernation
[00:13] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: no it means it kils everything you are doing inclluding init
[00:13] <vbgunz> devilsadvocate: damn, it took me a week to get suspend to ram working... suspend to disk is still an utter nightmare :(
[00:13] <mefisto__> devilsadvocate: doesn't kde call it hibernation too?
[00:13] <XPS_M1330> thanks!
[00:13] <DaSkreech> when it's done everything on the computer has stopped. Essentially it's power down
[00:13] <devilsadvocate> mefisto__, my menu calls it suspend to disk
[00:13] <joshjtl> hi
[00:13] <devilsadvocate> mefisto__, no idea what it officially is
[00:13] <joshjtl> is kde 4.2 considered unstable still?
[00:14] <vbgunz> I frigging wish I could suspend to disk. I dual boot sometimes and then restart having to put everything back in place :/
[00:14] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, what be the problem with suspend?
[00:14] <mefisto__> devilsadvocate: "suspend to disk" is less confusing anyway. more descriptive
[00:14] <vbgunz> joshjtl: KDE 4.2.1 is considered stable I think
[00:14] <devilsadvocate> mefisto__, yeah
[00:14] <coreyman2> joshjtl i dont think its unstable, im running it now, i just downloaded kubuntu and it was default.
[00:14] <devilsadvocate> assuming people know the difference between types of memory :)
[00:14] <joshjtl> hmmm
[00:15] <vbgunz> devilsadvocate: I could neither suspend to ram or disk. to get suspend to ram working for me I had to provide the kernel parameter pci=nomsi (took me ages to find it) ... suspend to disk is simply still a nightmare. I cannot resume from it and suspending pretty much shuts down
[00:15] <joshjtl> in general though kde 4 is still very immature right?
[00:15] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, ftr, kde4 will try to restore your session post logout if you shutdown. basically it will open all the windows that were initially open and try to open the right files. it works for kde applications, some non-kde ones too
[00:15] <vbgunz> I love suspend to ram. effectively a very low powerstate in seconds and resume takes about 3 seconds and you're back
[00:16] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, yeah. thats basically what windows used to call sleep
[00:16] <devilsadvocate> actually a little better than sleep, but the same principle
[00:16] <vbgunz> devilsadvocate: last I tried it, it just sort of didn't do what I wanted. I think everything ended back up on desktop 1 and nothing resumed where I left it though I mostly play with screen and some terminal apps
[00:17] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, ah. then that wont be of much use to you :)
[00:17] <Dr_willis> terminal apps are not going to get rembered I imagine
[00:17] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, you dual boot to windows or some other linux?
[00:17] <joshjtl> does updating kde to 4.2 update the whole system to jaunty?
[00:17] <devilsadvocate> Dr_willis, nope
[00:17] <Szadek> is there a deb of stasks for kubuntu intrepid ?? =)
[00:17] <vbgunz> the suspend to ram but if possible disk would be the killer deal. unfortunately it took me so long to get the ram suspension working and suspend to disk is pretty much back at square 1. borked to hell :/
[00:18] <devilsadvocate> joshjtl, no.
[00:18] <DaSkreech> joshjtl: Depends on what you mean by immature
[00:18] <vbgunz> devilsadvocate: windows
[00:18] <Dr_willis> err,, thats sort of a main feature of screen..   I had been clicking checkboxes for like 20 mins when i said "this is rediculous, not even crazy gui-lovers would accept it being this tedious to upgrade all upgradable packages"
[00:19] <DaSkreech> wallshot: There is a better way
[00:19] <codecyphix> anyone get vmware working in jaunty?
[00:20] <Elone> do kubuntu have any speech recognition function?
[00:20] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, when you hibernate and restart, disable the splash screen on grub and watch what it says. there might be a more useful error message to figure out what is wrong. one of the first thing you would see (with quiet still on, i think) would be it trying to search for a resume image
[00:20] <joshjtl> ok i'm going to give 4.2 one more shot... if i find it unstable again i'm going back to gnome
[00:20] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, also, is your swap > ram ?
[00:20] <devilsadvocate> joshjtl, unstable as in?
[00:20] <vbgunz> devilsadvocate: I always pretty much turn off splash and quiet. my kernel def option in grub is vga=795 pci=nomsi
[00:20] <codecyphix> i think my computer understand when i curse at it. is that speech recognition?
[00:21] <jimdb_> When kde 4.2 writes to my he'd there is a big white circle made up of a bunch of smaller white circles. How do tell kde to not draw this?
[00:21] <vbgunz> devilsadvocate: but on every bootup I really dont see anything that sticks out :/
[00:21] <joshjtl> devilsadvocate: just crashing apps, and apps locking up
[00:21] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, hmm.
[00:21] <jimdb_> HDD*
[00:21] <devilsadvocate> joshjtl, that still happens on some occasions
[00:21] <joshjtl> brb
[00:22] <vbgunz> I can try suspending to disk now. maybe an update fixed it. I haven't tried in several days on Jaunty
[00:22] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, i usually see a few lines, about searching disk-by-uuid blah blah for resume image, and then resume image not found, and then resuming normal boot
[00:22] <DaSkreech> Writes to your what? Circles?
[00:23] <mefisto__> jimdb_: where do you see the circles? wish I had that. sounds cool :)
[00:23] <vbgunz> devilsadvocate: will try now *but* if I am not back in about 5 minutes it is because I set all my disk to fsck and the system shut down :/
[00:23] <jimdb_> Kde draws on the screen a large circle made up of smaller whit circle on the screen
[00:23] <cjae> Does anyone here use kaffeine?
[00:23] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, :)
[00:24] <jamesjedimaster> i use kaffeine for video playing
[00:24] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, and suspend to disk uses your swap to store the image, so swap size should be > ram size
[00:24] <vbgunz> devilsadvocate: before I go down. I have 6GB ram and 12GB swap
[00:24] <devilsadvocate> and nothing else should mount and fiddle with the swap or the resume image will get damaged
[00:24] <jimdb_> The large white circle slows down the screen redraw and having it flash is annoying
[00:24] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, sweet
[00:24] <mefisto__> 12GB swap? wow
[00:25] <vbgunz> I did the swap size thing just for suspending. would do anything for suspending but suspending to disk hates me :(
[00:25] <vbgunz> ok, will try
[00:26] <joshjtl> to update to kde 4.2 from cli, do I need to run apt-get dist-upgrade? or will apt-get upgrade be enough?
[00:27] <mefisto__> joshjtl: you'll probably see some packages "held back" so you'll need to dist-upgrade to get those
[00:27] <joshjtl> yeah I do, ok thx
[00:27] <cjae> jamesjedimaster: what version and such app and distro?
[00:28] <joshjtl> bbl
[00:28] <jamesjedimaster> cjae: kaffeine 0.8.6 on kubuntu 8.10
[00:28] <cjae> jamesjedimaster: I ask because I am using kde 4.2 and kaffeine .8.6
[00:29] <jamesjedimaster> cjae: what is your problem with it?
[00:29] <cjae> jamesjedimaster: can you see your slider bar very well
[00:29] <cjae> the skin is so light I barely see it and the problem get worse with tv out
[00:31] <cjae> 99% of ppl that use it at my house think it does not have a search bar until I point it out
[00:32] <jamesjedimaster> cjae: maybe your settings were changed
[00:34] <cjae> jamesjedimaster: you can see yours well? It is the default cause it was the same when I installed to another box
[00:35] <jamesjedimaster> cjae: yes, i can see it
[00:35] <coreyman1> ok on kubuntu kde 4.2 it loads the disk, the tools, the globe, and then hangs... how to fix? said something about privlages.
[00:35] <coreyman1> i just installed nvidia drivers and rebooted
[00:35] <coreyman1> and now its not loading.
[00:36] <mefisto__> can you alt-F2 ? alt-ctrl-F1-F6 ?
[00:36] <coreyman1> what is alt f2 and altctrl f1 f6
[00:37] <mefisto__> coreyman1: alt-F2 is krunner, a dialog where you can type commands etc
[00:37] <coreyman1> my bad, it's kde 4.1
[00:37] <coreyman1> k mefisto
[00:37] <coreyman1> no i cannot
[00:37] <coreyman1> i think im going to go into recovery mode and try installing the nvidia drivers again
[00:37] <mefisto__> alt-ctrl-F1 to F6 switches to a text console. alt-ctrl-F7 to switch back to X
[00:41] <cjae> anyone know where how to change the themes in kaffeine
[00:42] <White_Pelican> when will kde 4.2.1 be made avaialble to users of jaunty Alpha 5?
[00:43] <coreyman1> The following isntallation problem was detected while tryin to start KDE
[00:43] <coreyman1> No write access to '/home/coreyman/.ICEautority'
[00:44] <coreyman1> KDE is unable to start
[00:44] <mefisto__> White_Pelican: I'm running it now
[00:44] <White_Pelican> ty mefisto__ I was relying on the kubuntu web site for my info ;)
[00:48] <mefisto__> coreyman1: have you been doing things as root in kde maybe?
[00:49] <coreyman1> no
[00:49] <coreyman1> im going to try what is here.
[00:49] <coreyman1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136102
[00:50] <coreyman1> weird it could not find my failsafe terminal....
[00:53] <mefisto__> coreyman1: I think they mean booting in recovery mode maybe?
[00:53] <coreyman1> no they didnt, but i did anyway
[00:54] <coreyman1> and i changed directory to my home directory
[00:54] <coreyman1> and * " rm .Xauthority "
[00:54] <coreyman1> * " rm .ICEauthority "
[00:54] <coreyman1> so let's see what happens now.
[00:55] <coreyman> wow it loaded :P
[00:55] <coreyman> only thing i don't like now... is that i dont have a failsafe terminal
[00:55] <coreyman> how do i install that
[01:00] <DaSkreech> no failsafe?
[01:01] <mefisto__> DaSkreech: probably xterm is not installed
[01:01] <leo> hola comunidad
[01:02] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: ping
[01:02] <DaSkreech> leo: hola
[01:02] <DaSkreech> !es
[01:04] <patrizia> hey guys, all or most of my icons (shortcuts in the menu) have a big ? as the icon, how can I fix these? not doing it manually for each one...all the card games are like this and I know it wasnt like this before
[01:04] <coreyman1> so, i just moved a widget up to my second monitor and it dissapeared >.>
[01:05] <patrizia> also these same icons in the folder view have the filename instead of the game title
[01:05] <patrizia> like sol.desktop
[01:06] <coreyman1> no clue patrizia
[01:06] <patrizia> =( this is kde 4.2 btw
[01:06] <patrizia> on 8.10
[01:07] <coreyman1> having a little trouble with my desktop myself here :D
[01:07] <vbgunz> heh, suspend to disk is still a nightmare. I think my ralink2500 wireless card could be borking it? how do I properly blacklist it if necessary?
[01:07] <vbgunz> how can I troubleshoot it?
[01:07] <mefisto__> patrizia: I had my menu icons disappear and turn into ? and also no text describing the ? icons. this was after an update. after a logout/restart X/login it was back to normal
[01:07] <vbgunz> I would love to get suspend to disk working. anyone know what I can try?
[01:08] <patrizia> mefisto__: I tried restarting didnt change anything
[01:08] <DaSkreech> coreyman1: install xterm to get failsafe I think
[01:08] <mefisto__> patrizia: update/ugrade maybe?
[01:08] <coreyman1> thanks daskreech
[01:08] <mefisto__> *upgrade
[01:08] <DaSkreech> !suspend
[01:10] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, why do you think your wireless card could be causing the issue (just curious)
[01:10] <GWild> DaSkreech: Are you running Intrepid w/ KDE 4.2?
[01:11] <DaSkreech> GWild: Yes
[01:11] <vbgunz> devilsadvocate: its the only thing I see on a blackscreen before actually turning off. something along the lines of phy0 -> ralink unable to enter state 1 ? maybe that has something to do with it? am looking through dmesg now
[01:11] <patrizia> mefisto__: all is latest
[01:11] <GWild> any major issues?
[01:11] <DaSkreech> GWild: Nothing I'd call major
[01:11] <GWild> thinking of following the upgrade instructs in the topic
[01:11] <coreyman1> DaSkreech do you run nvidia dual monitor?
[01:11] <DaSkreech> coreyman1: No to both
[01:12] <coreyman1> ok :D
[01:12] <DaSkreech> GWild: Well do you know how to use irssi ?
[01:12] <GWild> DaSkreech: haven't used it (irc client?)
[01:13] <vbgunz> coreyman1: I run nvidia dual screen. twinview
[01:13] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, hm.
[01:13] <DaSkreech> GWild: Yes
[01:13] <DaSkreech> from the command line
[01:13] <DaSkreech> Just in case the rare thing happens and you break your desktop
[01:14] <GWild> DaSkreech: I was going to install from a terminal window, will that work as well IYO?
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Install what?
[01:14] <DaSkreech> KDE 4.2?
[01:14] <GWild> DaSkreech: Yes
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Yes that works but I've seen a few people have some X issues
[01:14] <DaSkreech> So I advocate being able to get here to get help ifsomehting goes wrong
[01:15] <DaSkreech> Can't think of one that I haven't seen solved eventually
[01:15] <DaSkreech> Though that did take 2 days :)
[01:15] <GWild> DaSkreech: understood - I can always fire up my other box and jump on IRc
[01:15] <DaSkreech> GWild: sure then go ahead
[01:15] <GWild> DaSkreech: Thanks for the input - think I'll tackle it tomorrow
[01:16] <vbgunz> I also see this WARNING: synaptics was reset on resume, see synaptics_resume_reset if you have trouble on resume ... but have no idea what see synaptics_resume_reset means and google told me to gfm :/
[01:16] <Tomasso> how do I know my graphics driver ?
[01:16] <GWild> DaSkreech: Out of curiosity - you ever get the BusyBox initramfs boot error?
[01:16] <Tomasso> the graphics dont work pretty well on my laptop
[01:16] <Tomasso> its an LGE50
[01:17] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, i think then perhaps it suspended fine but died on resume for some reason. the startup log might be of some use
[01:17] <GWild> DaSkreech: I googled an tried the work arounds, but to no avail.  The system boots, but I don't like it being so squirrely.
[01:17] <vbgunz> devilsadvocate: where is it? I am going through dmesg for clues atm. not finding much that makes sense to me :(
[01:18] <DaSkreech> GWild: yea I used to
[01:18] <ActionParsnip> Tomasso: the make / model doesnt mean much, the vga chip is whats important
[01:18] <vbgunz> devilsadvocate: so about 1 minute to shutdown sounds OK? I don't see anything on screen *except* for the rt2500 could not enter state 1
[01:18] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, im not sure :| i know its somewhere in /var/logs .. im not sure if the startup procedure from such initial stages is logged though
[01:19] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, yeah. it sounds ok to me. the rt2500 error doesnt sound like a potential showstopper to me
[01:19] <ActionParsnip> Tomasso: lspci | grep -i vga will tell you what chip it uses
[01:19] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, if you are bored you can remove quiet as well and see if something clicked. i figured out that my laptop fan was stucked causing me anguish only after i did that :P
[01:20] <mefisto__> Tomasso: and lshw -C display will give you more info, including the driver in use
[01:20] <vbgunz> devilsadvocate: thanks but I dont have quiet on boot
[01:20] <devilsadvocate> cpu clock was destabilizing and core temp was 80 something :P
[01:21] <devilsadvocate> vbgunz, sorry i cant be of more help
[01:21] <vbgunz> devilsadvocate: its cool. ideas are better than nothing :)
[01:28] <mefisto__> vbgunz: are you running jaunty?
[01:28] <vbgunz> mefisto__: yeah
[01:29] <mefisto__> vbgunz: I just found this (about synaptics_resume_reset) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kerneloops/+bug/330606
[01:38] <vbgunz> mefisto__: looking it over
[01:39] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: you called?
[01:39] <vbgunz> might be a flase positive indeed. not sure I dont even have or shouldn't have a synaptic tracking device if thats what the whole warning is referring too. very vague "see this" and no clue as to how :P
[01:40] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Solved thanks Return to your slumber oh mighty one
[01:42] <bartskde2> kde 4.2 is having a huge problem with mp4 files. trying to get to properties so I can change the default player for it and it locks dolphin and konqueror until I force them to terminate. any ideas?
[01:44] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: slumber? i wish! i would love noting better than to sleep right now, unfortunately, thats not happening
[01:44] <DaSkreech> bartskde2: huh?
[01:45] <mefisto__> bartskde2: it locks as soon as you see the properties sheet? or when you change default player?
[01:45] <DaSkreech> bartskde2: set them in Konqueror's file associations
[01:45] <bartskde2> I am trying to right click on the file and it locks up
[01:45] <ActionParsnip> bartskde2: right click file -> open with -> choose app. Select app and check tickbox for remember this preference
[01:45] <bartskde2> I can't right click the file it locks up
[01:46] <bartskde2> is it a problem with kde 4.2 and mp4 files? don't have the problem in GNOME
[01:46] <DaSkreech> I have an mp4 let me check
[01:47] <mefisto__> bartskde2: you can't right-click anything in dolphin/konqueror?
[01:47] <bartskde2> everything except mp4 files
[01:48] <DaSkreech> How many mp4 files do you have ?
[01:48] <mefisto__> bartskde2: try looking in file associations as DaSkreech said
[01:49] <bartskde2> That worked but that is something the developers should probably look at. I will fill out a bug report
[01:51] <Squidy> hello guys.. I'm using Intrepid + kde-4.2... I'm trying to install kdelibs5-dev (requisite to compile stasks).. but it conflits with kdelibs5 actually installed in the system... Is there a way to install that and compile stasks properly??
[01:51] <mefisto__> bartskde2: I'm running jaunty and it works fine here, so maybe it's been noted and fixed?
[01:51] <DaSkreech> I'm in Ibex and I don't see it
[01:54] <joshjtl> hi
[01:55] <DaSkreech> hi
[01:55] <joshjtl> why occasionally (or often) does opening a menu or a window even show up briefly as staticy lines?
[01:56] <mefisto__> graphics driver? compositing?
[01:57] <DaSkreech> joshjtl: It's bug that ubuntu and fedora introduced with X patches it will be gone in Jackalope
[01:57] <joshjtl> hmm using intel mobile, and compositing
[01:57] <DaSkreech> you can patch it now if you like as well
[01:57] <joshjtl> how can i patch it now DaSkreech?
[01:58] <DaSkreech> tamasrepus: Patiently waiting for the latest ! KDE 4.2.1 packages to filter into ! Ubuntu # Jaunty
[01:59] <DaSkreech> bah
[01:59] <DaSkreech> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/?p=211
[01:59] <DaSkreech> joshjtl: ^^
[01:59] <joshjtl> thx DaSkreech
[02:00] <joshjtl> anyone know how to remove opera taskbar icon?
[02:01] <DaSkreech> hmm ?
[02:02] <mefisto__> the systray icon?
[02:02] <joshjtl> mefisto__: yeah
[02:03] <mefisto__> joshjtl: opera --help says the option -notrayicon starts without it
[02:04] <joshjtl> huh?
[02:05] <mefisto__> joshjtl: starting opera like this: opera - notrayicon    should start opera without the tray icon
[02:05] <joshjtl> ahh thanks
[02:05] <joshjtl> hmm now i have to figure out how to edit the menu entry
[02:05] <joshjtl> ah got it
[02:06] <mefisto__> joshjtl: that should be -notrayicon (without a space after the hyphen)
[02:06] <joshjtl> yeah got it thx mefisto__ lemme logout to see if it works brb
[02:07] <mefisto__> do you need to log out to make menu changes stick??
[02:07] <joshjtl> ah yes it worked, thanks mefisto__
[02:10] <gundam_rx78nt1> hello. I have installed kubuntu 8.10. It is using kernel 2.6.27, how can I get kernel 2.6.24 installed?
[02:11] <DaSkreech> gundam_rx78nt1: pull a deb from an old distro
[02:13] <gundam_rx78nt1> DaSkreech, can I do that by changing my repositories or would I have to get it from a 8.04 dvd?
[02:13] <DaSkreech> gundam_rx78nt1: packages.ubuntu.com would be the least intrusive way
[02:13] <DaSkreech> gundam_rx78nt1: a DVd would work as well
[02:13] <gundam_rx78nt1> ok.
[02:15] <DaSkreech> Any reason you require that particular release?
[02:16] <brhad56> Should Dragon Player be able to play DVD movies?
[02:16] <DaSkreech> !dvd
[02:17] <DaSkreech> But honestly I dunno :)
[02:17] <mefisto__> brhad56: it's never worked for me
[02:18] <brhad56> I already installed the restricted formats.. I think. maybe I did it wrong.. but both Dragon Player and MPlayer don't seem to want to play them... It acts like it wants to, but just kind of hangs there
[02:19] <mefisto__> is there a kde4 version of kaffeine in the works? or is dragon meant to replace kaffeine?
[02:21] <DaSkreech> both
[02:23] <ghost> bonjour
[02:24] <DaSkreech> Hello
[02:24] <joshjtl> I am going to try to learn and port a theme based on this mockup: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=603348
[02:24] <Guest77428> french here ?
[02:24] <Guest77428> i need help plz :s
[02:25] <ErcUn> je cherche de l'aide svp ...
[02:25] <mefisto__> !fr | ErcUn
[02:25] <brhad56> I i figured it out.  I had to run the install-css.sh script
[02:25] <ErcUn> y a t il des francais ici ?
[02:25] <DaSkreech> !fr
[02:25] <DaSkreech> bah
[02:25] <brhad56> and ps, it does work with Dragon Player
[02:25] <ErcUn> !fr
[02:25] <ErcUn> plzzzzzzzzz
[02:26] <maco> ErcUn: #ubuntu-fr
[02:26] <DaSkreech> brhad56: Ok I wouldn't have suggested you use it anyway
[02:26] <ErcUn> maco thx ;)
[02:26] <DaSkreech> ErcUn: type /join #ubuntu-fr
[02:26] <brhad56> DaSkreech: You would recomend a different player?
[02:27] <DaSkreech> brhad56: The thing that makes Dragon compelling is that it doesn't allow you to do anything but watch a video.  Thanks.
[02:28] <gundam_rx78nt1> that will install the kernel?
[02:29] <DaSkreech> gundam_rx78nt1: minus header
[02:32] <Slartibartfast> gundam_rx78nt1: linux-image-2.6.24-23-generic should be a betetr choice
[02:32] <Slartibartfast> better*
[02:33] <Slartibartfast> :-) s/should/would/ ... sorry english is not my first language
[02:34] <gundam_rx78nt1> Slartibartfast, thanks. I am starting to download it.
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Slartibartfast: Either works in this instance
[02:34] <Slartibartfast> OK ... thanks
[02:34] <gundam_rx78nt1> the things I do to get my Alfa wireless working...
[02:34] <Slartibartfast> :-)
[02:35] <mefisto__> DaSkreech: either works? what do you mean?
[02:36] <DaSkreech> mefisto__: should be a better choice vs would be a better choice
[02:36] <gundam_rx78nt1> mefisto: gundam_rx78nt1: linux-image-2.6.24-23-generic should be a betetr choice } he could have used would also.
[02:36] <mefisto__> DaSkreech: oh, I thought you meant either headers or image package :)
[02:37] <DaSkreech> mefisto__: no Already said headers was not a good idea
[02:45] <fungos> can I install xen on kubuntu?
[02:46] <DaSkreech> !xen
[02:48] <joshjtl> hey, applied the patch according to: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/?p=211  logged out, still happening though
[02:48] <joshjtl> do i need to reboot for some reason?
[02:48] <UlaUlaUla> is it possible to install kde 4.2 on ubuntu ia64 hardy?
[02:48] <DaSkreech> SHouldn't need to
[02:50] <mefisto__> joshjtl: did you restart X ?
[02:50] <UlaUlaUla> is it possible to install kde 4.2 on ubuntu ia64 hardy?
[02:51] <joshjtl> mefisto__: logging out restarts x doesnt it?
[02:51] <mefisto__> no
[02:51] <joshjtl> oh ok i always thought it di
[02:51] <joshjtl> d
[02:51] <mefisto__> joshjtl: log out, then ctrl-E (I think)
[02:52] <joshjtl> brb
[02:53] <joshjtl> suhweet worked
[02:53] <joshjtl> thx thx
[02:54] <joshjtl> i thought it was a kde glich, i'm normally a gnome user, but try out kde every release... i want a good enough reason to keep it
[02:54] <joshjtl> and performance is key
[02:56] <Elone> how do you make adept-upgrade automatic?
[02:57] <joshjtl> hi, trying to do two things have tabs open relative (next to the current tab, and hide the "File Edit..." menu bar... can anyone help?
[02:59] <coreyman1> if i put computer in suspend, processor and video card are not used, correct, so they wont be getting hot, correct?
[03:01] <devilsadvocate> coreyman1, they are generally scaled down heavily, at times turned off
[03:01] <devilsadvocate> they should not get overly heated
[03:01] <coreyman1> cool.
[03:01] <devilsadvocate> UlaUlaUla, ia64 as in itanium?
[03:07] <Elone> how do you make adept-upgrade automatic?
[03:07] <mefisto__> Elone: you can automatically install security updates, but I don't know if you can automatically install all updates
[03:07] <Elone> oh ~
[03:07] <mefisto__> Elone: kdesudo software-properties-kde    then look in the updates tab
[03:07] <Elone> so i have to write a crontab for that ?
[03:11] <oinil> 阿
[03:14] <Squidy> I'm using Intrepid + kde-4.2... I'm trying to install kdelibs5-dev (requisite to compile stasks).. but it conflits with kdelibs5 actually installed in the system... Is there a way to install that and compile stasks properly??
[03:16] <joshjtl> anyone... opera?
[03:20] <joshjtl> ok i can hide menu, but still trying to have tabs open next to current
[03:25] <tanjir> what is the short cut for moving between desktops?
[03:25] <coreyman1> what is the command to install failsafe terminal?
[03:25] <coreyman1> tanjir, i move into empty space and scroll my mouse
[03:26] <coreyman1> oh nvm that's gnome.
[03:26] <joshjtl> coreyman1: works in kde too
[03:26] <coreyman1> oh ok joshjtl
[03:26] <tanjir> coreyman1: thanks... but i wanted something on the keyboard... can't remember :(
[03:27] <coreyman1> tanjir sorry.
[03:27] <coreyman1> anyone know what the failsafe terminal's technical name is
[03:28] <DaSkreech> tanjir: ctrl+Fn
[03:28] <coreyman1> what if you dont have Fn key.
[03:28] <tanjir> coreyman1: is it what u want? ctrl+alt+f1 to go and to come back ctrl+alt+f7
[03:29] <coreyman1> tanjir no, but i just did that and i didnt know i could to that... lol
[03:29] <coreyman1> i need the failsafe terminal..
[03:29] <coreyman1> when i choose session from login
[03:29] <coreyman1> failsafe terminal isn't installed.
[03:29] <joshjtl> anyone know hot to have opera use google suggest in the search bar?
[03:30] <coreyman1> why are you using opera >.>
[03:30] <joshjtl> coreyman1: because its qt
[03:30] <tanjir> coreyman1: no clue... i have always seen failsafe in session choser
[03:30] <joshjtl> and better than konqueror
[03:31] <coreyman1> tanjir it's in session chooser, just not installed.
[03:31] <DaSkreech> coreyman1: install xterm
[03:31] <coreyman1> im sorry, linux n00b, what is qt joshjtl
[03:31] <tanjir> DaSkreech: thanks... but nothing happens whn i press ctrl+Fn
[03:31] <DaSkreech> tanjir: Ctrl+F1 = Desktop 1 Ctrl+F2 = Desktop 2
[03:32] <coreyman1> thax daskreech
[03:32] <coreyman1> daskreech is there any way i can change the shortcuts to switch between desktops
[03:32] <DaSkreech> joshjtl: ironically you should probably google it
[03:32] <tanjir> DaSkreech: thanks :D
[03:32] <sound_fx> hello everyone, I just installed kubuntu on my laptop, and I'm trying to figure out how to get the wireless working, any tips?
[03:33] <DaSkreech> coreyman1: possibly look in kwin settings though I think that it's like that for the first 8 and you can customize the other 64
[03:33] <DaSkreech> !wifi
[03:33] <tanjir> sound_fx: can u see wlan0?
[03:33] <coreyman1> !kwin
[03:33] <coreyman1> DaSkreech: Kwin?
[03:34] <joshjtl> coreymon77: DaSkreech i have to no avail... which is the reason i ask in here
[03:34] <DaSkreech> coreyman1: alt+F3 -> Configure Window Behaviour
[03:34] <sound_fx> iwconfig, right? I don't see a wlan0
[03:34] <sound_fx> I have eth0 and eth1
[03:35] <DaSkreech> ifconfig -a
[03:35] <joshjtl> coreyman1: qt is an application development framework, basically what kde and its applications is built on... gnome on the other hand (and others like xfce) is built using gtk
[03:35] <DaSkreech> sudo it
[03:36] <coreyman1> joshjtl oh ok.
[03:36] <coreyman1> daskreech: i can't find shortcuts there.
[03:36] <sound_fx> Ok, no wlan0, eth0, eth1, lo, and pan0
[03:36] <sound_fx> oops, I meant only eth0, eth1, lo, and pan0
[03:38] <vbgunz> I finally got suspend to disk working too. well, somewhat. the second resume killed my networking. sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart|stop|start didn't do a thing about it :(
[03:38] <vbgunz> anyone know a way to really reboot the network?
[03:39] <DaSkreech> coreyman1: System Settings -> keyboard -> global shortcuts Try that
[03:39] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
[03:39] <vbgunz> DaSkreech, I got the suspend to disk working with another kernel parameter -> resume=/path/to/swap
[03:40] <DaSkreech> ok
[03:40] <vbgunz> DaSkreech: no matter what I do with /etc/init.s/networking, the network didn't start the second time *but* networking was fine on the first resume
[03:40] <vbgunz> init.d*
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[03:41] <DaSkreech> ok I'm gonna reboot
[03:41] <coreyman1> dascreech worked, thx
[03:43] <joshjtl> odd this really should be easier (adding google suggest to opera search bar) I still cant find a thing
[03:44] <vbgunz> hmm, am going to try pm-hibernate directly
[03:47] <jimdb_> Vbguns:  turn the power to the building off
[03:48] <sound_fx> oh, wireless magically worked
[03:48] <sound_fx> hah
[03:49] <vbgunz> hmm. pm-hibernate works directly *but* differently than selecting it from kickoff
[03:50] <vbgunz> leys see what happens if I try it again?
[03:51] <vbgunz> does anyone know what "no_console_suspend" is supposed to do?  I lost some shortcuts like Alt+F2, ^ESC, ^ALT+DEL ... what do I need to do to restart that ?
[04:29] <vbgunz> anybody know what could be wrong with my shortcuts ^ESC?
[04:30] <luke> s'up?
[04:31] <luke> Anyone home?
[04:32] <luke> Hello
[04:34] <luke_> sup?
[04:34] <PookyDooky> Hi
[04:35] <PookyDooky> Anyone here?
[04:35] <PookyDooky> I said, is anyone here?
[04:35] <PookyDooky> o___O
[04:41] <PookyDooky> hello?
[04:42] <goofey> ubottu: !question
[04:43] <PookyDooky> Ok
[04:43] <PookyDooky> Sorry
[04:44] <goofey> no worries!
[04:44] <andres_> hi
[04:44] <andres_> someone speaks Spanish?
[04:44] <PookyDooky> Alright, so I got Kubuntu right?  Well, I try to download the restricted extras but when its done installing and everything, it said, "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[04:45] <PookyDooky> Now everytime I try to download anything using add/remove, it wont let me because that message comes up
[04:45] <PookyDooky> andres_:  hola
[04:45] <andres_> hey hola!
[04:46] <andres_> que bueno que encontre a alguien!
[04:46] <PookyDooky> andres_:   Yo hablar muy poquito espanol
[04:47] <goofey> ubottu: !sp | andres
[04:47] <goofey> ubottu: !spanish | andres
[04:48] <andres_> gracias!
[04:52] <goofey> andres_: no problem
[04:53] <Hexen> que rollo
[04:56] <Hexen> ???
[05:36] <obuntu> I'm using gnome atm,downloaded updates (i was installed ubuntu from a live cd 6) and try to use kde now
[05:36] <obuntu> and i've another one question. This ubuntu installation is in a hd (secondary slave) and i've a windows os installed in my _unlinked_ primary hd. to use both and choice which os use,need i just to recable the primary hd and then edit grub from secondary hd?
[05:40] <yady_> hola
[05:52] <DasEI> obuntu: still active ?
[06:02] <cjae> anyone know a command to see the amount of memory a certain app is using at a time, I need to see if something has a memory leak
[06:04] <DasEI> try htop
[06:04] <DasEI> top also
[06:04] <DasEI> cjae ^
[06:06] <cjae> sorry had to make quick sandwich
[06:11] <cjae> DasEI: so if I launch the app and come back in 8 hours I should be able to see the number change and notice mem leak?
[06:12] <DasEI> cjae : just launch the app and watch htop in trml
[06:12] <obuntu> apt-get install amsn - why it isn't found?
[06:13] <DasEI> ountu:check /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[06:13] <bazhang> obuntu, what version of kubuntu
[06:13] <obuntu> eh dunno.
[06:14] <obuntu> how to check it?
[06:14] <bazhang> !version
[06:14] <bazhang> lsb_release -a
[06:14] <obuntu> Ubuntu 6.06.2 LTS
[06:14] <obuntu> mmm thought i've update it
[06:14] <bazhang> !info amsn dapper
[06:14] <obuntu> i would to use 8 not 6
[06:14] <cjae> DasEI: what if it leaks slowly
[06:15] <cjae> what about psaux
[06:15] <obuntu> and i would to use kde too. and i would to link a primary hd with win and choice which hd to use
[06:16] <DasEI> /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages are to be checked for probs , too, and leave htop open , too, so you can see
[06:17] <obuntu> i'm freezed at prev point
[06:18] <obuntu> this prev point: <ubottu> amsn (source: amsn): An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-1ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 2233 kB, installed size 7852 kB
[06:18] <DasEI> obuntu:I'm tireed now, so a quick shot: you can either set it in bios (which hd to boot from) or ad the win-hd to menu.lst of ubu-hd, which you then want to boot standard from
[06:18] <obuntu> isn't it about grub?
[06:19] <obuntu> oh yup menu.lst
[06:19] <DasEI> menu.lst is part of grub, yes, can also ask in #grub
[06:19] <obuntu> so, 1.recable the primary hd, and boot from second one and then edit the grub
[06:20] <obuntu> maybe. need more more practice
[06:21] <obuntu> thanks for now
[06:21] <DasEI> no, choose in bios to boot from the ubu hd and edit menu.lst (/boot/grub/menu.lst)
[06:21] <obuntu> ok. last question: how to update to kubuntu 8?
[06:22] <DasEI> cjae : conky is another way to have min/max consumption
[06:22] <DasEI> !update
[06:22] <matt> hi! does anyone use gnash with konqudorer?  I cant seem to get it working!!
[06:22] <DasEI> obuntu: I'd recommend a fresh install, especially if not to familiar with linux
[06:22] <DasEI> too*
[06:23] <obuntu> heh the point was that i haven't empty cd to burn os there
[06:23]  * DasEI is off now
[06:26] <obuntu> say thanks to dasei from myself
[06:26] <chronic> obuntu, r u British?
[06:26] <Tm_T> chronic: please use whole words
[06:26] <obuntu> i'm an engrishman
[06:27] <chronic> Tm_T, fu?
[06:27] <bazhang> !attitude | chronic
[06:27] <bazhang> oops
[06:27] <obuntu> bah..irc fight
[06:28] <obuntu> starting to hate these things
[06:28] <Tm_T> obuntu: no fights (:
[06:28] <ibuffy> can someone please help me with the asian fonts? http://bayimg.com/IanjOAabo , they never display correctly in web pages until i highlight them.. even then it doesn't last long
[06:28] <Tm_T> obuntu: we try to keep these channels friendly to all people
[06:29] <obuntu> updating
[06:29] <obuntu> no all people are friendly,especially on ir
[06:29] <Tm_T> I know, there's the try (:
[06:29] <obuntu> sigh
[06:30] <obuntu> anyway i didn't understood the amsn solution
[06:31] <obuntu> if i don't find it via adept and apt-get install...it shouldn't be avaible.
[06:31] <obuntu> right?
[06:32] <Slartibartfast> ibuffy: Do you have installed the ttf-arphic*  fonts?
[06:32] <obuntu> sigh! 4h to finish the upgrade
[06:32] <obuntu> then how can i work? sigh.
[06:33] <ibuffy> Slartibartfast: was afk. like your username :) fonts are installing right now
[06:33] <chronic> cause i like BIG BuTTs and i can not lie
[06:33] <Slartibartfast> ibuffy: OK :-)
[06:34] <obuntu> well at least i've time to chat
[06:34] <bazhang> chronic, stop that
[06:34] <ibuffy> chronic: i sing that song regularly to a different rthym in an opera voice, no lie.
[06:35] <chronic> bazhang, i like how your nick sounds
[06:35] <bazhang> !coc > chronic
[06:35] <ibuffy> rhythm*
[06:35] <bazhang> chronic, this is kubuntu support; do you have a support question?
[06:36] <obuntu> i just learn what means 'ubuntu'
[06:36] <bazhang> please take chat to #kubuntu-offtopic thanks
[06:37] <obuntu> oh nice. heh thanks
[06:37] <chronic> ibuffy, how can you preserve the rhythm of the song with opera voice?
[06:37] <ibuffy> ack, can i answer chronic's question? please! :)
[06:37] <obuntu> (but mine was just a one-line-joke: 'ubuntu means 'i don't know how to install debian')
[06:39] <obuntu> (tsk..none is laughing or smiling)
[06:39] <ibuffy> ack, slartibartfast!!!
[06:40] <ibuffy> am i supposed to specify them somewhere?
[06:40] <Slartibartfast> ibuffy: what ? :-)
[06:40] <ibuffy> i restarted firefox after installing them and still have the same results
[06:40] <Slartibartfast> no ... maybe need to restart X ? ... don't know
[06:40] <obuntu> to try to enable wifi,and get 'no device are avaible - wifi assistance will be now closed' means that i must startup the laptop (that is the machine where i would to get wifi on) and recheck that app?
[06:42] <obuntu> uff i never won this match,under windows too.
[06:42] <obuntu> my hope was that ubuntu could be a solution
[06:42] <bazhang> obuntu, what nic
[06:42] <obuntu> nic?
[06:43] <bazhang> wifi card
[06:43] <bazhang> obuntu, lspci in konsole -->paste.ubuntu.com
[06:43] <obuntu> ehmm card?? i just have a wifi router (alice gate 2+ wifi - if i spelled it as well)
[06:43] <obuntu> h right
[06:43] <ibuffy> Slartibartfast: i betcha i need to fc-cache
[06:43] <DarkriftX> how do i turn off the pc speaker again/
[06:44] <ibuffy> DarkriftX: mute?
[06:44] <Slartibartfast> ibuffy: thought the installation scripts took care of that
[06:44] <DarkriftX> erm.... no/
[06:44] <chronic> Tm_T, if u want people to behave, u should probably learn how to spell it, dog
[06:44] <DarkriftX> if that worked do you think i would be asking?
[06:44] <obuntu> how to select all the result? ctrl+a?
[06:44] <bazhang> chronic, take chat elsewhere
[06:44] <ibuffy> i did too but i didn't see it take place in the output ( Slartibartfast )
[06:44] <DaSkreech> !ot | chronic
[06:44] <obuntu> chronic stop trollin
[06:45] <ibuffy> Slartibartfast: well that didn't work
[06:45] <Slartibartfast> ibuffy: you can try anyway i think ... :-)
[06:46] <obuntu> http://rafb.net/p/9t9qpt76.html not sure i've pasted all
[06:46] <ibuffy> oh i did, see above o.O
[06:46] <ibuffy> i've had this problem since installing kubuntu.. nobody has found the solution yet
[06:46] <Slartibartfast> ibuffy: i have installed ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-ukai ttf-arphic-uming .... you too?
[06:47] <bazhang> obuntu, there seems to only be the ethernet controller
[06:47] <obuntu> wifi led is red
[06:47] <ibuffy> Slartibartfast: yes. i just figured it's a firefox problem. konqueror doesn't have this problem
[06:47] <Tm_T> chronic: please, behave, really
[06:47] <chronic> obuntu, wtf?
[06:47] <bazhang> obuntu, how many entries for ifconfig in konsole
[06:47] <Slartibartfast> ibuffy: Thats strange, because here FF doesn't have that problem either
[06:48] <Tm_T> chronic: and don't use that abreviation
[06:48] <obuntu> eth0 and lo
[06:48] <neptunepink> How do you use k3b to burn, like, non-mp3 CD's? Like, stuff that will play in my car?
[06:49] <chronic> Tm_T, no seriously dude, u misspelled behave on your kick ass kick message
[06:49] <bazhang> obuntu, then there seems to be no recognition of your wifi card (assuming you want to use wifi from that computer)
[06:49] <obuntu> mmm what a weird thing: a linux user bought this router for me,to enable wifi.
[06:49] <Tm_T> chronic: I know, still, behave
[06:49] <bazhang> chronic, please stop that
[06:49] <obuntu> not from here,this is a desktop,i want to use it in a laptop
[06:50] <chronic> ok, im not doing anything
[06:50] <bazhang> obuntu, you want to use ethernet? ie internet connections sharing?
[06:50] <obuntu> i think i'm using it now
[06:50] <obuntu> i want to get wifi in my home:)
[06:51] <obuntu> to use laptop downstairs heh
[06:51] <bazhang> obuntu, what does sudo dhclient eth0 return in konsole --> paste.ubuntu.com
[06:51] <obuntu> i dunno how to explain it
[06:51] <bazhang> obuntu, assuming you want ethernet connection on that desktop
[06:51] <bazhang> obuntu, if that is not the case then please explain more clearly
[06:52] <obuntu> http://rafb.net/p/mgMgaA20.html
[06:52] <obuntu> well,now i'm chatting so i'm sure eth0 is working :)
[06:52] <DarkriftX> how do i disable laptop sleeping on lid close?
[06:52] <bazhang> obuntu, you have a lease; can you visit a website?
[06:52] <obuntu> ehmm..yes
[06:53] <bazhang> obuntu, then no idea what you are trying to accomplish; internet connection sharing?
[06:53] <obuntu> the case is: i'm chatting here from a desktop using this wifi router. now i've got a laptop,so i want to enable wifi to use laptop
[06:54] <obuntu> and we tried a lot to enabled it from windows,never won that match
[06:54] <bazhang> obuntu, so why not boot the laptop and troubleshoot from the actual computer in question?
[06:54] <obuntu> you mean i must startup the laptop and retry with that wifi assistance app?
[06:54] <bazhang> obuntu, the laptop has kubuntu/ubuntu on it?
[06:55] <obuntu> i remember that the beauvier from windows was that i got this message while i'm trying to run wifi: 'acquiring network address' and that should means that router password is wrong,but i quintuple checked it
[06:55] <obuntu> no
[06:55] <obuntu> just win
[06:56] <obuntu> but i've a live ubuntu 6 cd
[06:56] <bazhang> obuntu, then how is this appropriate for #kubuntu ?
[06:56] <bazhang> obuntu, do you plan on installing ubuntu or kubuntu to it?
[06:56] <obuntu> i've installed ubuntu here to try to win this match via linux:)
[06:56] <obuntu> nah, i can't install os there. i think it's a general network question
[06:57] <obuntu> that is could be solved under linux too
[06:57] <obuntu> and yes,maybe i'm off topic now
[06:57] <bazhang> obuntu, so the upshot is that you want help to get wifi on a windows laptop?
[06:57] <obuntu> mm maybe. didn't thought about os atm,just about wifi,then sorry:)
[06:58] <bazhang> ##windows for windows support obuntu
[06:59] <obuntu> not sure it's related to os,sincerely. i think it's more related to the router / network. though
[06:59] <obuntu> anyway i'm starting to be rush. so better to stop chatting for a while
[06:59] <bazhang> nothing to do with #kubuntu
[07:00] <obuntu> yup,but i thought that issue could be easier fixed using a live cd in that laptop
[07:00] <bazhang> you could also try ##networking
[07:00] <obuntu> infact. maybe i'm off-topic for real here
[07:00] <bazhang> obuntu, it might well be, but since you dont have a livecd booted there, no way to know
[07:01] <obuntu> but my linux friend use to say 'use linux to fix issues then use windows when you got fixed it' hehe
[07:01] <bazhang> obuntu, and should you decide to do that, then get a more recent version of kubuntu or ubuntu
[07:01] <obuntu> i've a ubuntu 6 live cd
[07:01] <bazhang> right
[07:02] <bazhang> 6.06
[07:02] <bazhang> and the latest version is 8.10
[07:02] <Slartibartfast> obuntu: and i am running on the 9.04 developers branch ...
[07:02] <obuntu> yup 6.06
[07:02] <obuntu> :)
[07:02] <Slartibartfast> 6.06 is   from June 2006
[07:02] <obuntu> hehe
[07:02] <obuntu> i'm upgrading now as i wrote above
[07:03] <bazhang> obuntu, a newer version has a more recent kernel, and loads of improvements; come back for help once you get it booted on that laptop
[07:03] <cjae> what does apt use to get files ftp?
[07:03] <obuntu> sure,thanks for now
[07:03] <bazhang> np
[07:03] <obuntu> first time i got everything working:)
[07:03] <Slartibartfast> cjae: http ...
[07:04] <obuntu> at least here. and done it all alone:) eth0 setup too
[07:04] <obuntu> _celebration time_
[07:04] <Slartibartfast> see /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:05] <chronic> obuntu, congrats, and how many years have you been using pc?
[07:06] <bazhang> chronic, please take chat to #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:07] <maco> chronic: did you recently switch from Windows?
[07:07] <chronic> i haven't switched
[07:07] <maco> chronic: i talked to a friend and he said WDM is a Windows acronym
[07:07] <maco> but that it's like a DE
[07:08] <maco> ActionParsnip: hello
[07:08] <chronic> well see so you had to ask, better if u just kept your mouth shut in the first place, right?
[07:08] <maco> ActionParsnip: just telling chronic that one of my friends says WDM is the Windows name for a DE
[07:09] <maco> chronic: i *did* ask and you didnt give any description of what it does...
[07:09] <maco> chronic: i only said no such acronym exists in linux ;)
[07:09] <bazhang> chronic, this is a support channel for kubuntu
[07:09] <maco> bazhang: he was asking for a WDM like compiz without requiring 3d last night. none of us linux geeks could parse it.
[07:09] <ActionParsnip> maco: sorry dude
[07:10] <bazhang> heh dude
[07:10] <maco> bazhang: i think youre the only one that enforces "this is a support channel!" in here by the way
[07:10] <bazhang> maco, he is trolling and using bad language
[07:11] <bazhang> ie please dont feed :)
[07:11] <obuntu> you got patience:)
[07:12] <Tm_T> chronic: please, behave
[07:12] <cjae> can you bookmark a stream with amarok
[07:12] <chronic> Tm_T, im just being a little funny, relax
[07:12] <Tm_T> chronic: no, you're not funny, so stop
[07:13] <obuntu> later
[07:14] <cjae> can you bookmark a stream with amarok
[07:14] <chronic> Tm_T, i am funny, u just don't understand what i said
[07:14] <cjae> opps sorry for repost
[07:14] <bazhang> chronic, please take it elsewhere
[07:14] <Tm_T> cjae: no, I think you cannot, as stream is, well, stream
[07:18] <cjae> Tm_T: amarok - playlists - radio streams - right click add stream
[07:18] <cjae> just figured it out
[07:27] <Tm_T> cjae: aye, that's not bookmark though (:
[07:31] <cjae> Tm_T: what would you call it then
[07:32] <Tm_T> cjae: it's just collection item to me
[07:33] <cjae> ok
[07:33] <Tm_T> cjae: there's bookmarks in Amarok so you can get back to same place of that track
[07:33] <cjae> ah didn't know that
[07:36] <cjae> whos using konversation
[07:36] <cjae> how do I make the background black and my writing white
[07:41] <JoshuaRL> hello, ive got a problem with decoupling the dashboard from the desktop
[07:41] <JoshuaRL> im following this here:
[07:41] <JoshuaRL> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/09/howto-decoupling-dashboard-from-desktop.html
[07:42] <JoshuaRL> and i cant find how to do the first step
[07:42] <JoshuaRL> "First, zoom out on the desktop and select Add A New Activity from the toolbox. We will use this Activity for the dashboard. Now open a konsole window and do "kquitapp plasma"."
[07:43] <JoshuaRL> i cant find the toolbox, or where that option is
[07:43] <JoshuaRL> im on intrepid 64 with KDE4.2
[07:53] <login_> hey
[07:53] <login_> i need help.........
[07:53] <login_> i    would like to know how i install the java applet i just downloaded
[08:26] <tue> Hey, i just upgraded to kde 4.2.1 from 4.2.0, but now plasma dies on login. any other have this problem?
[08:28] <obuntu> if i try su it'll say that i'm typing the wrong password. is it normal?
[08:29] <lup0> obuntu: shouldn't you use sudo su?
[08:30] <obuntu> uh
[08:30] <obuntu> thanks
[08:30] <Slartibartfast> obuntu: just use sudo
[08:31] <obuntu> sudo su works, sudo requires an action
[08:31] <Slartibartfast> obuntu: sudo -i to become root
[08:32] <obuntu> mhmh
[08:32] <obuntu> tryin to install java
[08:32] <obuntu> mm to come back as user?:)
[08:32] <Slartibartfast> CTRL D
[08:33] <lup0> obuntu: or exit
[08:33] <obuntu> wow
[08:33] <obuntu> thanks
[08:33] <lup0> obuntu: isn't the openjdk enough? or the sun-jdk package?
[08:33] <obuntu> dunno
[08:34] <obuntu> this is my first day with kubuntu
[08:34] <lup0> obuntu: for java, you could just run sudo aptitude install openjdk-6-jdk
[08:34] <obuntu> you mean apt-get install
[08:34] <obuntu> eh
[08:34] <lup0> obuntu: do you need the compiler or is the runtime enough?
[08:35] <Slartibartfast> obuntu: :-) aptitude is another program which also can install things
[08:35] <obuntu> maybe just the reader
[08:35] <lup0> obuntu: sudo aptitude install openjdk-6-jre
[08:35] <obuntu> at least i'm just trying while i'm waiting to finish the upgrade
[08:35] <lup0> obuntu: aptitude also installs the recommended packages by default
[08:35] <obuntu> and maybe i should don't do nothing while it is finished
[08:36] <obuntu> (upgrade of os)
[08:36] <obuntu> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:36] <obuntu> maybe there's a fight between it and the upgrade tool
[08:36] <lup0> obuntu: you should wait for the upgrade to finish
[08:37] <obuntu> eh yup i SHOULD :)
[08:37] <obuntu> arf arf
[08:37] <obuntu> luckily it is an empty hd,i can destroy it:)
[08:38] <obuntu> i'm excited: this is a secondary hd. the primary one got windows, so i'm going to go to install kubuntu here,then recable the primary hd,then edit grub to boot from one of them
[08:39] <obuntu> and maybe got a dual boot at startup to choice which hd i'll use
[08:39] <obuntu> i feel like Stallman
[08:40] <obuntu> if the menu is in the top side of monitor,means that i'm using gnome,right?
[08:42] <obuntu> http://itpencil.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/kde2.jpg seems
[08:44] <obuntu> ok.I have another question now. Think i'm a windows user. Now,to copy and paste strings I usually do 'select -> middle mouse button' BUT the bad thing is that if i just middle clicking, it'll no replace the string with the pasted one,it just add it to the prev string,how do you do to use middle button in the right way?
[08:44] <obuntu> just right click copy->select all -> paste?
[08:45] <obuntu> for instance when i want surf web
[08:45] <obuntu> am i explaining well?
[08:49] <obuntu> maybe i'm not:)
[09:00] <smakus> k
[09:11] <amik> hi, does anyone know what to do when the kubuntu installer fails at grub-install?
[09:11] <ActionParsnip> amik: you coul dmanually install grub and hope the install was completed
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> amik: did you md5 check the iso you downloaded as well as verify the burned cd was ok on the first screen?
[09:12] <amik> I'm running the live cd from a usb (no cd drive on this machine), and I did verify it and everything is ok
[09:13] <amik> tried running "grub-install /dev/sda" manually (that's the command the installer shows as failed), and it still fails
[09:13] <ActionParsnip> !grub | amik
[09:13] <ActionParsnip> amik: that will guide you through reinstalling the boot loader
[09:14] <ActionParsnip> amik: if it doesnt work then i'd rerun the install process
[09:14] <amik> I reran the install process many times, using hardy amd64, hardy i386, jaunty alpha 5 i386
[09:14] <amik> always get the same error
[09:15] <ActionParsnip> amik: maybe your disk is bad, or your ram is bad, or the usb is bad
[09:15] <ActionParsnip> amik: you could also try some bootoptions
[09:15] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions
[09:15] <ActionParsnip> amik: to make the installer run nicer
[09:15] <amik> I ran memtest which showed no errors, the disk is from another windows box which works ok (it mounts and I see everything and chkdsk on windows showed no errors)
[09:16] <amik> usb stick I don't know how to verify, but it always worked, and seems to still...
[09:16] <amik> btw thanks for u replies :-)
[09:16] <amik> I just got a new pc and decided that this is my year of linux on the desktop
[09:17] <amik> but kubuntu seems to disagree :-/
[09:17] <amik> what are bootoptions? how and which do I use?
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> amik: fsck it like anything else
[09:18] <larsaam> Hi! How do I get the panel in kde4 to be blocked out? Seems like I can only center or left right align it?
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> amik: read the factoid
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions | amik
[09:18] <amik> oh sorry, missed that
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> amik: i'd suggest acpi off and no dma
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> amik: as a good start
[09:18] <amik> I'll read up some more (spending hours on this) - thanks
[09:20] <ActionParsnip> amik: gl man
[09:20] <Andry_WorkZ> could someone repost me some link to the known bug which doesnt allow you to have ethernet interfaces to work properly?
[09:20] <amik> thanks again!
[09:31] <wartalker> how to get my internet address
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> wartalker: www.ipchicken.com for wan ip, ifconfig for lan
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> Andry_WorkZ: thats a hugely wide statement
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> Andry_WorkZ: does the device have a driver installed for it?
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> Andry_WorkZ: do you have an ip address for the interface
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> Andry_WorkZ: is it wired or wireless
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> Andry_WorkZ: "ethernet interfaces not working" means next to nothing
[09:36] <kagalous> can someone assist me with something?
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> !ask
[09:42] <kagalous> im having issues installing wine.. im new to linux
[09:42] <kagalous> can someone assist me in installing it
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: http://www.winehq.org/download/deb
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: use the official wine repo
[09:47] <kagalous> didnt help
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: ok, i'll guide you
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> what is the output of: lsb_release -c
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: its a konsole command
[09:51] <kagalous> intrepid
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> ok cool
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> ok run this command: cd ~;wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[09:53] <Andry_WorkZ> ActionParsnip: I was told that until kde 3.5 it was fine, but after that you had a problem with ethernet interfaces
[09:53] <Andry_WorkZ> and it was a well known bug
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> Andry_WorkZ: ive heard some folks say this but its just a case of drivers, if you run lspci it will show you your hardware and you can websearch on how to setup your particular device using that info
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> Andry_WorkZ: if its a laptop, it can help to websearch that but the chip itself is most important
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: ok so far?
[09:54] <kagalous> it tells me no valid pgp dada found
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: that command i just gave you gives you the gpg key
[09:55] <kagalous> IT SAYS OK
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> thats good, lose the caps
[09:56] <kagalous> i did
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: ok now run this command: sudo wget http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/sources.list.d/intrepid.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> that wont say anything once its run
[09:56] <kagalous> it says its at 100% and now allowing me to do things
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> now run: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get  install wine
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: what is at 100%?
[09:57] <kagalous>  Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:57] <kagalous> is what i got when i did the install command
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: do you have synaptic open?
[09:57] <kagalous> not that i know of
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: or adept or running updates
[09:57] <kagalous> lol defently adept
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> then close adept, you can only have 1 application interfacing with the packages at one time
[09:58] <kagalous> would pausing the updates work?
[09:58] <kagalous> nvm i closed it
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: ok, thats your call
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: press the up cursor in terminal to get the install wine command again and press enter
[09:59] <kagalous> redo the install command?
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: yes redo it but use the cursor instead of retyping / repasting if you want
[10:00] <kagalous> k
[10:00] <kagalous> is installing i think
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: that will then get all the packages on the repo in your systems knowledge and install wine drom the wine repo
[10:00] <kagalous> what
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> you always need to run sudo apt-get update so that the new repositorys packages are known by your system
[10:01] <kagalous> ok?
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: its just n fyi
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: is wine installing now?
[10:02] <kagalous> i think so
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: well read the terminal, its output will tell you whats going on
[10:03] <kagalous> 61%
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> 61% of what?
[10:03] <kagalous> thats all it says
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> the line above will state the file name
[10:03] <kagalous> smbc client
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> !find smbc
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> !info smbclient
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: thats your system update
[10:04] <kagalous> ok
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: we'll make it easy, let all your updates finish so they dont bother you any more
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: then reboot and then install wine
[10:05] <kagalous> the updates are just program updates that i will never use
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: some will be libraries for apps, if you dont use the apps, uninstall them
[10:06] <kagalous> ok
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: the downside of ubuntu is it installs a tonne of apps and yuo probably wont use most
[10:06] <kagalous> ya
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> so you gotta sit and carve them out and it sucks
[10:06] <kagalous> im just trying to get wine so i can use my windows programs cuz there easier to use
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: what apps are you going to run?
[10:07] <kagalous> itunes, worms armagedan and a couple others
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: have you checked they will run with wine?
[10:08] <kagalous> i know itues does
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> oh god not itunes
[10:08] <kagalous> im just unsure about the games i want, i know i need crossover for eve
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> it may have a loki installer, or the developers may have released a linux installer
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> crossover is too rich for my blood
[10:10] <kagalous> my friend has it, he likes it a fair bit
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> its 40 USD
[10:10] <kagalous> and
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> closed source
[10:10] <kagalous> so
[10:11] <kagalous> what is ttf-liberation
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> sounds like a font
[10:11] <kagalous> oh lol
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: its a really bad idea to give people who help you for free attitude you know
[10:12] <kagalous> sorry
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> its ok
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> just chillax
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> 8D
[10:13] <kagalous> lol
[10:13] <kagalous> i am calm :)
[10:15] <kagalous> it is done now i think
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: ok then rerun the wine install command
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> if it says its already installed, you have it
[10:18] <kagalous> :)
[10:20] <kagalous> am i able to take a windows file off a partitioned drive and run it through wine
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: if its a very portable exe then yes, apps will need to be installed under wine
[10:21] <kagalous> hmm
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: just keep checking the appdb to se if what you want to install will fly
[10:22] <kagalous> appb?
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> !appdb
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: some apps dont work
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> like MSN live messenger
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> some people even run virtual box in seamless mode to get some win apps running
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> bugt its a hugely bloated way to get it to go
[10:24] <kagalous> so once ive installed a program in wine i should be able to open it straight through linux?
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: sure, theres a wine entry in kmenu for all your windows gumf
[10:25] <kagalous> how would i set this upo
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> or you can move it wherever you want if you want it more integrated
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: its done for you
[10:28] <kagalous> so this should work with 90% of the baic program i need/????
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> depends on what apps you are running
[10:29] <kagalous> okay
[10:29] <kagalous> is it suppost to be epicly slow?
[10:30] <noren> hi all
[10:30] <kagalous> lo
[10:30] <noren> can any one here help me out with the installation of opera 9.6 in kde4.4 i m using kubuntu
[10:30] <noren> oops kde4.2
[10:30] <tweak66> anyone tried installing gnomenu in ubuntu 8.1?
[10:31] <noren> !opera
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: again, depends on the app, some run awesome (doom3) some run badly, some run weird but have tweaks, some wont even install
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> kagalous: so your questions have no definate answers as it depends on the app
[10:31] <co-worker> hi all
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty | tweak66
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> oops
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> sorry tweak
[10:32] <co-worker> xd
[10:32]  * ActionParsnip facepalms
[10:32]  * kagalous giggles
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> !info gnomemenu
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> !info gnomenu
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> tweak66: do you have it currently installed?
[10:33] <tweak66> yes i do, and i just figured it out lol
[10:34] <kagalous> ty for the help :P
[10:34] <kagalous> :)*
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> tweak66: making your system look like vista.eeeeew
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> http://ubuntu.hamdi.web.id/uncategorized/gnomenu-14.html
[10:34]  * ActionParsnip vomits
[10:35] <noren> ActionParsnip: can u help me with installing opera in   kde4.2 ??
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[10:37] <co-worker> haha
[10:37] <noren> will check out therre
[10:37] <co-worker> where
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> co-worker: noren was talking to me
[10:44] <co-worker> fkn all
[10:44] <Elone> lol look at the time
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> 10:48am GMT
[10:46] <co-worker> sowhat
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> co-worker: good metallica song
[10:47] <nhnFreespirit> Hi
[10:47] <co-worker> Hi guy
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> !hi | nhnFreespirit
[10:48] <nhnFreespirit> Let me be the thousanth person to ask this (most likely) but is there a Qt 4.5 package availalbe?
[10:48] <nhnFreespirit> I need it to debug some Amarok bugs, but I would rather not build it myself on this machine.
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> nhnFreespirit: keep an eye on www.kubuntu.org   i'm unsure myself
[10:49] <co-worker>  KDE include Qt
[10:50] <nhnFreespirit> co-worker: yeah, but I need the newly released 4.5 version as apparently it causes some unique issues.
[10:50] <nhnFreespirit> that people seem to expect me to fix!  :-P
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> nhnFreespirit: could just code for every possibility ;)
[10:51] <co-worker> Good bye
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> !bye
[10:52] <nhnFreespirit> ActionParsnip: well... its sort of hard to fix a distinct bug if I cannot reproduce it. and it never happens with Qt 4.4.x ;-)
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> well if you have a spare millenia you could code for all possibilitys, one has to work, but by then we'll be on QT5
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> maybe
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> Qt 4.5, released on March 3, 2009. Major included features are QtCreator, improved graphical engine, improved integration with WebKit and OpenDocument Format read support. Mac OS X Cocoa Framwork support.
[10:54] <noren> ActionParsnip: thanks got that
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> noren: got opera now?
[10:56] <noren> ActionParsnip: ya but its not conecting to net ??? still have to configure it or what ??
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> noren: is it working offline?
[10:57] <noren> i am still trying to figure out
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> noren: check in the file meu
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> noren: do you need to use a proxy to get internet access?
[10:58] <noren> no i dont ; it not even opening google.com
[10:59] <noren> but it opened http://widgets.opera.com/search/?order=name&q=skins
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> noren: can you browse ok in other browsers?
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> noren: can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:01] <noren> yes i am able to do so in konqueror
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> noren: ok
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> noren: try clocing opera (as well as the thing in the system tray), then run: rm -rf ~/.opera; opera &
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> noren: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=256797  How to disable IPv6 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[11:04] <noren> what do u mean by clocing
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> noren: closing* (sp)
[11:06] <noren> so u want me to restart it
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> noren: after removing ~/.opera  yes
[11:08] <noren> rm -rf ~/.opera; opera & after i typed this it restarted
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> noren: thats great, is it ok now?
[11:09] <noren> no its same as before !!! do i have to disable the ipv6 mannually somehow !!
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> noren: read the links
[11:14] <noren> i have tried the first option leme reboot and then come back here again
[11:20] <noren> ActionParsnip: oh thanks it works now..... :)
[11:21] <noren> ActionParsnip: can i trouble u for one more small prombel ??
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> noren: sweet, welcome to opera. it rocks hard
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> noren: wassup
[11:23] <noren> every time i login my scree resolution fall backs to 840 X 600 and i have to reconfigure to 1024 X 728 ,,, is there some way i ca n make it default
[11:25] <Elone> y opera ? firefox bad?
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> noren: edit xorg.conf and make the left most resolution in the list be the option that gives 1024x768
[11:26] <noren> ok.. i had been using ff3 for a long time now some wanted to investigate the opera
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> noren: its a snazzy browser, if the page you want to view insnt opera nice, press F12 and you can make opera appear as a different browser for that site
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> noren: but i think opera is a better browser than firefox but thats my 2p worth
[11:34] <noren> ok thanks guys !bye
[11:34] <noren> quit
[11:41] <AndrewMohawk> hey guys..
[11:42] <AndrewMohawk> im running into the 2038 year problem within python on 8.04, is there anychance i can just upgrade something and fix this?
[11:44] <khurram> HI..
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> AndrewMohawk: i'd ask in #python
[11:47] <jk-> hi all
[11:47] <khurram> hi..
[11:48] <jk-> I seem to have a non-working plasma
[11:48] <jk-> (jaunty, recently did an apt-get upgrade)
[11:49] <bazhang> !jaunty | jk-
[11:50] <jk-> bazhang: ah, cheers.
[11:50] <AndrewMohawk> ActionParsnip: of course they told me to come here, but ive figured out the bug
[11:50] <AndrewMohawk> lets just hope none of us are running 32bit in 2038 :)
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> AndrewMohawk: i hope not, i'd hope we were on 2048 bit
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> or something high like that (boyles law)
[11:51] <jk-> AndrewMohawk: 64 bit machines still use 32 bit integers
[11:51] <AndrewMohawk> jk-: oh, so the bug affects 64bit as well
[11:52] <AndrewMohawk> its an interesting one at that
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> jk-: integer is a 32bit value, so an x bit cpu (x > 32) will use 32bit integers
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> afaik
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> actually scratch that
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> my bad
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> need coffe
[11:52] <AndrewMohawk> need more bits!
[11:52] <khurram> how to install Mozilla firefox in kubuntu...
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> khurram: sudo apt-get update; sudoapt-get install firefox
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> bahh
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install firefox
[11:53]  * ActionParsnip needs to chill
[11:53] <khurram> in english..
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> khurram: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install firefox
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> khurram: run that command in a terminal
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> well, konsole for kde
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> !konsole
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> khurram: english enough?
[11:56] <khurram> Thanks...
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> np bro
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> khurram: when its installed run: sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> khurram: then you will be fully updated
[12:05] <ubuntu_> salut
[12:05] <ubuntu_> es careva pe aici?\
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> !fr
[12:14] <JuJuBee> I just got a new laptop (ASUS G71G-A2) and when I try to boot kubuntu live CD (64Bit) the screen resolution is wacked... Think 1280x720...  Cant do an install cause I cannot see the bottom of the window for the install questions.  Any suggestions?
[12:16] <JuJuBee> Laptop has 17" (1900x1280) WUXGA screen and nVidia 9800M GS card
[12:16] <vasily122> try to move mouse  to bottom?
[12:16] <JuJuBee> I did... screen does not scroll
[12:17] <vasily122> while booting choice try to select low resolution?
[12:18] <vasily122> F4?
[12:21] <JuJuBee> Once kubuntu starts to boot?
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: try adding boot options to set the resolution, or rest the resolution in the live cd manually
[12:22] <JuJuBee> Ah, F4 Modes (Safe Graphics Mode)...
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: did you md5 check the iso you downloaded as well as check the cd for defects once booted to
[12:23] <vasily122> :)
[12:23] <JuJuBee> Disk is fine.
[12:23] <vasily122> imean the level of problem- x.org-kdm-kde etc
[12:26] <JuJuBee> vasily122: changing modes seems to be working.
[12:26] <JuJuBee> thnx for the suggestion.
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: try some boot options
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions | JuJuBee
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: it giving you a high res is a good sign you wont have to mess with drivers once installed (well for vga anyhoo)
[12:29] <JuJuBee> Hmmm system settings says res 1280x720 (0.0Hz)
[12:30] <LeeJunFan> no 4.2.1 packages yet? That's late for the kubuntu devs.
[12:31] <alex71> in Network connections I have this problem....Could not parse XML...how to solve ?
[12:32] <tue> Hello. anyone else is having the problem that plasma crashes on kde 4.2.1 on 8.10?
[12:33] <alex71> any idea?
[12:36] <jk-> tue: yep
[12:36] <tue> jk-: do you know of a fix?
[12:37] <jk-> nup, just poking around now..
[12:37] <tue> jk-: i have tried adding a new user but the problem persists. the output from the crash seems to indicate binary incompatible packages...
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> tue: are the crashes random or do they appen with certain activitties / program combinations
[12:37] <jk-> not sure it's an incompatibility
[12:38] <jk-> ActionParsnip: plasma just doesn't start for me.
[12:38] <vasily122> JuJuBee: did You visit ASUS site and search if any drivers for Your notebook?
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> ah, i gave up on plasma months ago. i'm a fluxbox kinda guy
[12:39] <tue> ActionParsnip: plasma cannot start at all. crashes when i run plasma from the console.
[12:39] <volodya> anybody knows what program is supposed to handle audio (mute,volume) buttons in kubuntu 8.04?
[12:40] <tue> volodya: kmix ?
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> tue: have you tried renaming plasmarc in your profile?
[12:40] <volodya> tue: strange, I did restart kmix, but the buttons don't work yet.
[12:40] <volodya> used to work an hour ago, then something happened :-(
[12:40] <jk-> tue: just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/338205
[12:40] <tue> ActionParsnip: i tried to create a completely new user, but it dsont change anything.
[12:41] <jk-> volodya: you may need to setup shortcuts
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> tue: ok, good test
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> tue: as its a completely new ~/.kde folder as well
[12:41] <volodya> jk-: well, everything did worked eariler today. Is there some kde service that is involved in routing shortcuts to right applications?
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> tue: put that bug in your favoruites and keep an eye on it
[12:42] <volodya> gee, somehow kmix reset all the shotcuts
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> tue: you may need to use a different WM if it interferes with productivity
[12:44] <jk-> ActionParsnip: the WM is working fine
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> cool
[12:45] <jk-> just no panel, background or desktop widgets
[12:46] <tue> jk-: you can run plasmoidviewer systemtray , then the computer is sort-off useable :-)
[12:46] <jk-> tue: heh, neat :D
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> jk-: not so bad then
[12:47] <jk-> tue: on the upside, qt4.5 and kde4.2.1 seem to be working better with general window rendering
[12:47] <tue> jk-: last thing i did yesterday was to do apt-get upgrade, first thing i did this morning in school was to start up the computer, on which i have both my textbook and maple, for a test in math and then see the thing didnt work :-) . NICE!
[12:47] <jk-> d'oh.
[12:50] <tue> jk-: your using jaunty? im still using qt 4.4.3.
[12:50] <jk-> tue: yeah, plain jaunty
[12:50] <jk-> tue: might be good to add that fact to the bug, if you could.
[12:50] <chetan> Hello ! I'm new to kubuntu. i just installed qt and am having some issues. can someone please help me out ?
[12:51] <jk-> (and see if you get the same valgrind backtrace)
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> chetan: wassup?
[12:53] <chetan> ActionParsnip: i have a problem saying -- XShape support cannot be enabled due to functionality tests!
[12:54] <chetan> i.e. while installing qt 4
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> wow...er...no idea man
[12:56] <chetan> thanks :)
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> http://www.qtcentre.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-3324.html
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> maybe that can help
[12:57] <chetan> checking it out. thanks ActionParsnip
[12:58] <jk-> tue: i miss my clock :(
[13:01] <tue> jk-: no luck at all?
[13:02] <jk-> nup.
[13:02] <Exilant> is marble supposed to work with gpsd?
[13:03] <Tm_T> Exilant: if it has plugin, yes
[13:03] <Exilant> i have gpsd running, but marble cannot read the current position
[13:03] <Exilant> ah, plugin
[13:03] <Exilant> is that in the repos?
[13:04] <Tm_T> Exilant: sorry, no idea
[13:15] <rmrfslash> Hey, does anyone have experiences to share w/ kubuntu on a Dell XPS?
[13:15] <rmrfslash> I want to know a few things.
[13:16] <rmrfslash> 1) Is the Wifi adapter supported immediately? 2) Does Kubuntu hibernate and resume successfully? 3) Any other glitchiness?
[13:16] <rmrfslash> oh
[13:16] <Tm_T> !laptop
[13:16] <Tm_T> rmrfslash: see if those pages has the information
[13:17] <rmrfslash> I saw the TestingTeam one
[13:17] <Tm_T> see the others too
[13:17] <rmrfslash> yup
[13:17] <rmrfslash> checking now
[13:17] <rmrfslash> thanks
[13:17] <Tm_T> rmrfslash: no problems
[13:18] <rmrfslash> I'm not excited about the "Suspend to RAM fails most of the time"
[13:18] <rmrfslash> EUGH!
[13:20] <rmrfslash> Why is suspend to RAM such a hassle ?
[13:20] <rmrfslash> Looks like many latops suffer from this.
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> rmrfslash: all that sort of thing is
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> rmrfslash: hibernat, standby
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> rmrfslash: i think its not worth it at all
[13:21] <rmrfslash> I have a Dell Latitude D820, I can testify that suspend works tempermentally
[13:21] <Tm_T> I believe it's mostly about HW manufacturers trying to protect something "unique" everybody has
[13:21] <rmrfslash> It most def is when you're on-the-go a lot
[13:22] <rmrfslash> I use suspend to RAM at least twice per day
[13:22] <Tm_T> rmrfslash: indeed, so use your right to vote with your money (;)
[13:22] <rmrfslash> one when my train gets into the station
[13:22] <rmrfslash> once when I leave the office
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> rmrfslash: i use laptops and can boot faster than most can "wake up" most need a coffee and some toast
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> and with less issues
[13:22] <rmrfslash> I understand that linux can boot fast
[13:22] <rmrfslash> :)
[13:23] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: well, I usually have laptops waking up in second or two
[13:23] <rmrfslash> that's not my point
[13:23] <rmrfslash> I like to leave things open and "resume" working on them later
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> rmrfslash: you have a recent docs tap and console has ~/.bash_history
[13:23] <Tm_T> rmrfslash: ActionParsnip: I would like to get you two to join us in #kubuntu-offtopic too
[13:23] <rmrfslash> not take the last several minutes of a train ride  (which is used polishing an email or something) to power off any VMs, save all my documents, shut them down, and then poweroff the machine
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: i have a meettng in 15 mins but i'll head in later
[13:24] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: thanks (:
[13:25] <rmrfslash> Tm_T: What is the topic of conversation here?
[13:25] <Tm_T> rmrfslash: Kubuntu support, as topic says (:
[13:25] <Tm_T> rmrfslash: I wasn't saying you were offtopic yet, just that we can discuss more freely there
[13:25] <rmrfslash> Tm_T: Ok, how do I get resume working reliably on a Dell XPS ;)
[13:25] <rmrfslash> kidding
[13:26] <Tm_T> 1522.04 < Tm_T> rmrfslash: indeed, so use your right to vote with your money (;)
[13:26]  * Tm_T likes to repeat (;
[13:26] <rmrfslash> what does that even mean?
[13:26] <rmrfslash> vote with my money
[13:27] <rmrfslash> Pay Kubuntu team to fix suspend to RAM?
[13:27] <rmrfslash> :D
[13:27] <Tm_T> rmrfslash: buy stuff that has Linux support (:
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> best way
[13:27] <rmrfslash> See, in my humble opinion...... well I'll save it for offtopic
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> shop smart, not what is cheapest or fastest
[13:28] <rmrfslash> ActionParsnip: when it comes to a laptop, it's always about what's thinnest, lightest and fastest, and reasonable cost
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> rmrfslash: get a netbook, those are kill er for ubuntu
[13:29] <rmrfslash> The Dell XPS, from my limited research is probably one of the better laptops you can buy.
[13:30] <rmrfslash> less than 1'' thick, HD display, light, and 2.1 Ghz Core 2 800MHz 3MB and 4GB memory w/ a 320GB 7200rpm for like $1000
[13:31] <rmrfslash> And they preinstall (and support) Ubuntu
[13:31] <rmrfslash> 8.04 of course.
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> depends on your needs, no point buying a ferrari if its just gonna drive to the shops and back
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> save some cash and use the surplus to go on holiday or visit the theatre
[13:32] <rmrfslash> Agreed. But when you need a ferarri, why settle for a pinto w/ suspend to ram support
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> depends which is more essential
[13:32] <rmrfslash> k
[13:33] <rmrfslash> you're right
[13:35] <Takahani> aptitude system is again completly broken because of the transition 4.2.0 to 4.2.1
[13:35] <Tm_T> Takahani: aptitude system?
[13:36] <Takahani> apt-get
[13:36] <Takahani> pacakge
[13:36] <Tm_T> broken how? and what release?
[13:36] <Takahani> he wants 4.2.1 version of some, and can't get them
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> use apt-get its glorious
[13:36] <Takahani> kubuntu intrepid
[13:36] <Takahani> i prefere patitude, but i'll get the same pb
[13:36] <Tm_T> Takahani: hmm, what repositories you have?
[13:36] <Takahani> cause the package aren't ready
[13:36] <Takahani> so i get a system half updated half bleeding
[13:37] <Tm_T> Takahani: yes, see, from what repository you get that 4.2.1 ?
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> Takahani: use apt-build if yu want awesomness
[13:38] <Takahani> i can't pastebin he say list of repositories is a spam !
[13:39] <Tm_T> Guest21617: are we rooted now?
[13:39] <Takahani> http://rafb.net/p/lYj8SX75.html
[13:39] <Takahani> here is the list
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> Takahani: use the pastebinit app
[13:39] <Tm_T> Takahani: ok, you're using experimental ppa repositories
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> yikes
[13:39] <Takahani> so this is not good ?
[13:40] <Tm_T> Takahani: issues like this are well expected
[13:40] <Tm_T> Takahani: no, unless you know what you're doing ofcourse
[13:40] <Takahani> ok, i might remove it, but will i get 4.2.0 also ?
[13:40] <Tm_T> Takahani: from backports
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> KDE 4.2 out http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[13:40] <Takahani> ah ok, they are in intrepid backport
[13:41] <Takahani> that's why i get this mess
[13:41] <drostie> :-D !! I just managed a working install of kubuntu to an encrypted drive! From the LiveCD!
[13:41] <drostie> ^______________^
[13:43] <Takahani> hmm, seem's better, but now i've got half of my package who coms from experiment package and are in 4.2.1, how can i downgrade them to 4.2.0 from intrepid backport ?
[13:45] <Tm_T> Takahani: I believe in aptitude too, but in synaptic atleast you can search by source and/or version number and then reinstall with forced version number
[13:45] <Takahani> Tm_T: yep, thaht was what i was looking for .. but it says he is going to uninstall kdebas, kdepim, etc ...
[13:46] <Takahani> Tm_T: which is not so much fun
[13:47] <Tm_T> Takahani: there's something else too still having wrong version then
[13:48] <Takahani> Tm_T: yeah maybe, cause when i say update and upgrade, i won't retrograde the version, but it should ...
[13:49] <Takahani> Tm_T: it's ok i'm gowngrading one by one from synaptic, i think it will work. Thanks for your help
[13:49] <Takahani> downgrading
[13:50] <zmay> hello, haveing some pc problems, when i turn on my pc, screen doesent wake up, and system shuts down automaticly after about 5s, then automaticaly turns on again after 5sec and shuts down etc... anybody know what it could be
[13:52] <obuntu> upgrade successsssssss!!!!!
[13:52] <obuntu> \o/
[13:53] <obuntu> the only problem i got it was about nvidia
[13:53] <obuntu> but solved it rmmod it
[13:53] <obuntu> celebration time now!|
[13:57]  * ActionParsnip cracks open a keg
[13:58] <ActionParsnip> zmay: can you boot a livecd ok?
[13:59] <assilva> ActionParsnip, ola
[13:59] <obuntu> i don't understand why can't i get skype+amsn
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> assilva: werd
[13:59] <assilva> ActionParsnip, ??
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: sudo apt-get install amsn
[13:59] <obuntu> no
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> assilva: just saying hi back
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: what is the output of the command?
[14:00] <assilva> ActionParsnip, conieces m4v?
[14:00] <assilva> ActionParsnip, ele espulsa personas por nada
[14:00] <obuntu> it's in italian. it says that it no find anything labeled amsn or skype
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> !es | assilva
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: ok, hmm
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> !info amsn
[14:00] <obuntu> kubuntu here
[14:01] <assilva> here ok
[14:01] <zmay> ActionParsnip: i cant even get to there, system shuts down before
[14:01] <assilva> m4v, look i here
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> zmay: then its a hardware issue, I'd suggest powering off, unplug power, open pc, remove cmos batter and leave it about an hour
[14:01] <obuntu> Ubuntu 8.04.2
[14:01] <assilva> m4v, and now?
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> zmay: you can also look at your capacitors to make sure they havent blown
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> assilva: http://www.amsn-project.net/linux-downloads.php
[14:02] <assilva> ActionParsnip, i already get
[14:02] <zmay> ActionParsnip: i will read motherboard manual for errors.. crap, and its new PC
[14:02] <assilva> ActionParsnip, it is better?
[14:03] <obuntu> uhm weird,other times it worked well using apt-get install
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> zmay: http://images112.fotki.com/v597/photos/8/897265/3471067/itorsonaP4Motherboard1600x1200-vi.jpg?1173521468
[14:03] <assilva> ActionParsnip, amsn dont accept my web cam
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> assilva: thats the amsn website which will give you amsn
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> !webcam | assilva
[14:03] <assilva> ActionParsnip, i use msn of windows
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> assilva: you could use the older msn client (not live) via wine but i dont know about cam
[14:04] <assilva> ActionParsnip, i use ubuntu
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> assilva: its not something i use, i think they are creepy
[14:04] <assilva> ActionParsnip, ok by
[14:04] <obuntu> no matters if i use gnome right?
[14:04] <obuntu> could be that the upgrade is gone bad?
[14:05] <assilva> obuntu, penis
[14:05] <obuntu> doubt it
[14:05] <obuntu> ?
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: you will need to satisy dependancies manually, you need to have the standard repos in your sources.lst file
[14:05] <assilva> obuntu, hi
[14:05] <assilva> ??
[14:06] <obuntu> i really dunno what you're trying to tell me
[14:08] <JuJuBee> I thought the nvidia restricted drivers was up to 180.x?  My system only shows 177
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: if you dont have standard ubuntu repos you will not find half the apps available as they are on the repos
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: not all cards run on the 180 driver
[14:08] <obuntu> how to fix it then
[14:08] <obuntu> this is my first day with linux
[14:09] <JuJuBee> ActionParsnip: how do I know if mine will?  It is 9800M GS
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: here are my intrepid sources: http://pastebin.com/f76574475
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: websearch: ubuntu nvidia-glx 9800M GS
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: you will see in the package repos what drivers support it
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: and if it is supported, the performance may not be as good in some drivers as others
[14:11] <obuntu> sorry but i'm starting to be more confused. what steps need i to follow using your pastebin file? and be patience please
[14:11] <c0nfuser> hey guys, i never tried kubuntu cause i am afraid that has high requirements
[14:11] <c0nfuser> which are the requirements of 8.10?
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: what is the output of: lsb_release -c
[14:12] <bazhang> !requirements
[14:12] <c0nfuser> !requirements
[14:12] <obuntu> Codename:       hardy
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: ahh ok
[14:12] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements c0nfuser
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> !info amsn hardy
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: can you pastebin me your /etc/apt/sources.list file please
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> !paste | obuntu
[14:14] <obuntu> open it using nano for instance?
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: we''ll do it the easy way
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.lst
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: copy the link it gives in terminal to the room
[14:15] <obuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/126716/
[14:15] <obuntu> hehe i know pastebin usage,luckily
[14:15] <obuntu> a thing well known:)
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> good
[14:16] <obuntu> nick Stallman
[14:16] <JuJuBee> ActionParsnip: I read that the 180.22 brings support for the 9800M GS in 2.6.28 kernel....
[14:16] <crackdown> hi
[14:17] <JuJuBee> Latest update brought me to 2.6.27-11
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: ok run: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:18] <obuntu> dum da dum
[14:18] <crackdown> Würd gern ein KDM 3 Thema verwenden, was muss man in der XML für KDE4 ändern ?
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: find the line that reads: # deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[14:18] <obuntu> done
[14:18] <bazhang> !de
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: ok chnage the word dapper to hardy and delete the # at the start of the line
[14:18] <obuntu> uncoment it?
[14:19] <obuntu> mmm
[14:19] <crackdown> hmm
[14:19] <crackdown> ok
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: yes uncomment and change the word dapper for hardy, do the same on the line below
[14:19] <obuntu> done,seems
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: pastebin the file again if you wish
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: so i can check it
[14:20] <jbwiv> guys, is "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main" still the proper place to get 4.2 on Ibex?
[14:20] <obuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/126721/
[14:21] <obuntu> you're my salvation ActionParsnip
[14:21] <obuntu> in 5 min i must go out
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: ok, looks good
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> save and exit gedit
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> back in terminal
[14:22] <obuntu> now i retry to apt-getting?
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install amsn
[14:22] <obuntu> oh
[14:23] <obuntu> naturally in two lines
[14:23] <obuntu> ?
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> no you can use a single line, the ; character runs them one after another
[14:24] <obuntu> Get:2 http://it.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages [4293kB]
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> you can have huge commands all on one line if you wish
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> yep thats it getting the package names and versions
[14:24] <obuntu> like in php ; delimit end of string
[14:24] <untiled> hi all, i wanna install "ipod-convenience" but when i try with "sudo apt-get install ipod-convenience" it return me with "python-gpod: Depend: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 is installed". How can I fix this issue?
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> sure
[14:24] <obuntu> 90% arf arf
[14:25] <obuntu> ok it installing amsn, now for skype i'll don't need update,right?
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: you had universe repo disabled with that line so you never got to use the main ubuntu apps, you may find you have a few updates to get
[14:25] <obuntu> i need to save this log
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> !skype
[14:25] <obuntu> mmm
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> untiled: what is the ouptut of: dpkg -l | grep python
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> untiled: use pastebin
[14:26] <obuntu> many thanks
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> obuntu: np man
[14:27] <obuntu> Skype is not available in any Ubuntu software repository, and therefore cannot be installed with Ubuntu's package management software such as Synaptic or apt-get without adding a repository containing Skype. There are two options - the Skype repository, or the Medibuntu repository.
[14:27] <alarm> hello, somewthing was wrong with the todays update. after updating the packages , i got 2 problems. konqueror wont start, and plasma-addons is being removed .i cannot install kdeplasma-addons as it depends on kdeplasma-addons-libs4
[14:27] <alarm> what went wrong with that update ?
[14:27] <untiled> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/126725/
[14:27] <obuntu> last thing: how to save this log (konversation)
[14:28] <obuntu> heheh ctrl+a ctrl+v in a plain text file?:)
[14:28] <obuntu> anciiient
[14:28] <obuntu> hehe
[14:29] <obuntu> sorry but i'm a bit excited to get ubuntu running
[14:29] <obuntu> gone
[14:29] <alarm> when trying run konqueror after the update i get this error: KCrash: Application 'konqueror' crashing... sock_file=/home/alarm/.kde/socket-rockpc/kdeinit4__0
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> untiled: well you have python                                     2.6.1-0ubuntu2
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> untiled: you could force install the app
[14:30] <untiled> ActionParsnip: how?
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> untiled: as its a very meanial app its fine andyou can uninstall it easily
[14:31] <alarm> anyone had problems with the updates today ?
[14:32] <untiled> ActionParsnip: how can i force the installation of ipod-convenience?
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> untiled: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get --download-only install ipod-convenience; sudo dpkg --forcec-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> untiled: thats one way
[14:34] <ActionParsnip> untiled: downloads the debs to your system then you go in and force them in
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> untiled: or: sudo apt-get --ignore-missing --install ipod-convenience
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> might work
[14:36] <untiled> ActionParsnip: they don't work, if i try with ipod-convenience it tell me that depend on python-gopd but python-gpod depend on python < 2.6
[14:37] <bejos> hi friend
[14:38] <bejos> does anyone have sis 672 vga driver for ubuntu 8.10?
[14:38] <jbwiv> guys, is "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main" still the proper place to get 4.2 on Ibex?
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> jbwiv: afaik, yes
[14:41] <jbwiv> ActionParsnip: ok, thanks. I'm just wondering because I've been running 4.2 for around 3 weeks now. I  love it, but it crashes at least twice a day
[14:41] <jbwiv> are you guys having these problems?
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> untiled: try: sudo apt-get install --yes --force-yes ipod-convenience
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> jbwiv: log a bug, when does it crash, is it random? are there alwatys certain apps than make it crash? have you read the system logs to se whats going on?
[14:43] <jbwiv> ActionParsnip: no, I haven't...but I should. It happens regularly with my default apps (xchat, firefox, pidgin, and netbeans) running. Would a crash log to /var/log/syslog?
[14:43] <untiled> ActionParsnip: it return me with python-gpod package integrity
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> jbwiv: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxLogFiles
[14:45] <jbwiv> it typically starts with the panel...apps that are running no longer show up in it. The, I can click the panel and the app crashes
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> untiled: you could manually download the deb from the repo, then install it nicely, satisfy deps til it moans about python then force install the last package
[14:45] <dvheumen> Hi everyone. I have an annoying little bug and I'd like to find out if it's fixable. When I choose 'Leave' in KDE 4.2 ... it takes about > 60 seconds before the shutdown dialog actually shows. Does anyone know anything about this?
[14:45] <jbwiv> ActionParsnip: ok, I'll take a look. Thanks
[14:45] <alarm> the problem that i have is that konqueror gives me an error KCrash: Application 'konqueror' crashing...sock_file=/home/alarm/.kde/socket-rockpc/kdeinit4__0 after the update , and wont run
[14:45] <untiled> ActionParsnip: ok, i'll try
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> alarm: does renaming that file help, if it makes things bad, rename it back
[14:46] <alarm> ActionParsnip,  i completely removed it, didnt change anything
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> alarm: renaming is better, you dont have a rollback method now if the file is neeed
[14:47] <alarm> and i see that today it was upgrated (from my dpkg.log) 2009-03-05 11:18:38 upgrade konqueror 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2 4:4.2.1-0ubuntu1~intrepid1
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> alarm: i would go deleting random files unless you know exactly what they are, you will break your system less
[14:47] <alarm> the point is on the log file i see also lines like 2009-03-05 11:18:38 status half-installed konqueror 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2 (what is half-installed? )
[14:47] <alarm> ActionParsnip,  i kept a back up, and place it back again , didnt change anything
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> alarm: try: sudo apt-get --reinstall install konqueror
[14:48] <alarm> ActionParsnip, i did allready , and all of its packages
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> alarm: then try: sudo apt-get --purge remove konqueror; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove; sudo apt-get clean; rm -rf ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc; sudo apt-get install konqueror
[14:50] <alarm> ok, i will do that
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> alarm: that will remove all of konqueror + deps + config in system and home dir and the reinstall it
[14:51] <untiled> ActionParsnip: it still have dependences issues
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> untiled: what do you have now?
[14:52] <untiled> ActionParsnip: libgpod0, and there isn't a canditate to installation on my repo
[14:52] <alarm> ActionParsnip, still the same error
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> untiled: sudo apt-get install  libgpod-common
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> alarm: then its a bug of some kind, you have a completely fresh install
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> !bug
[14:54] <alarm> it is strange. can i roll back in the version  konqueror 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2 that was running ? i dont know why to upgrade if its not running at all :)
[14:54] <untiled> ActionParsnip: it's just installed and at latest version
[14:55] <giarca> is that normale I couldn't install kde-plasma-addon because the 4.2.1 package is not yet in repo?
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> untiled: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6653276
[14:55] <alarm> giarca, i  got the same shit after the update
[14:55] <alarm> and "show desktop" widget just doesnt run either
[14:55] <alarm> that update was a mess
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> alarm: if you dont use konqueror, uninstall it
[14:56] <alarm> ActionParsnip,  i use it , i need flash runing , and firefox with flash is buggy
[14:56] <giarca> alarm: ok, I just want to know if was "normal" :)
[14:56] <alarm> giarca,  things that dont work are NOT normal :)
[14:56] <giarca> ActionParsnip: good hint... gonna remove it :)
[14:56] <giarca> alarm: yeah, I know...
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> giarca: if you read through: dpkg -l | less you'll probably see a tonne of fluff you can remove
[14:58] <alarm> ActionParsnip,  if you can help me with the problem that firefox and flash compatibility has, then i remove konqueror :)
[14:59] <BluesKaj> konq can't be removed without remove kubuntu-desktop
[14:59] <giarca> ActionParsnip: put the dump in a file so I can read it lately and purge my sistem :)
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> alarm: easy, ok are you 32bit or 64bit in ubuntu?
[14:59] <jbwiv> guys, is there a way to take a system that was configured and installed as a regular ubuntu system and completely convert it to Kubuntu, removing file associations and programs that were there in the original system but are no longer necessary? For example, if I download a pdf in firefox, it still opens in Evince...not Okular...
[14:59] <BluesKaj> removing
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> giarca: that too
[14:59] <alarm> 64bit
[15:00] <jussi01_> !purekde | jbwiv
[15:00] <BluesKaj> !pure kde | jbwiv
[15:00] <alarm> what happens with flash plugin (non-free), is that sometimes , instead of the flash applications i see just a gray thing. and i need to close the browser and try again and again
[15:01] <BluesKaj> jbwiv , google pure kde or pure kubuntu , you'll find a page with instructions
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> alarm: cd ~/; wget http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-<IP_ADDRESS>.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz; tar zxvf ./libflashplayer-<IP_ADDRESS>.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz; mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> alarm: thats step one
[15:01] <alarm> shall i frist remove the non-free that i got ?
[15:01] <giarca> alarm: check with ps xa if any istance of npviewer.bin is crashed and kill it
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> alarm: keep it on
[15:02] <alarm> giarca, thats not a solution dude, it happens many times
[15:02] <alarm> ok let me do that then
[15:02] <giarca> many times because you can have a crashed nsplunginwrapper
[15:02] <giarca> it happened sometimes to me too
[15:03] <alarm> i will try first what ActionParsnip  , i know i can restore it by killing npviewer, but thats not a solution as like 60-80% flash applications just crash
[15:03] <alarm> ActionParsnip,  did the first steps
[15:04] <alarm> created also the plugin dir
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> alarm: if you are using nspluginwrapper, remove that
[15:05] <alarm> ActionParsnip,  by removing nspluginwrapper it wants to remove also flashplugin-nonfree
[15:05] <alarm> is that ok ?
[15:05] <ActionParsnip> alarm: sure
[15:05] <ActionParsnip> just get it all out
[15:05] <alarm> ok , removed both
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> alarm: ok in the folder that came out of the archive you downloaded you will se a .so file
[15:06] <alarm> libflashplayer.so
[15:06] <alarm> true
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> alarm: you need to copy that file to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[15:06] <alarm> copy that in the plugin ?
[15:06] <alarm> okie
[15:06] <alarm> restart firefox ? thats it ?
[15:07] <ActionParsnip> yep
[15:07] <ActionParsnip> done and done
[15:07] <DaSkreech> alarm: hi
[15:07] <alarm> ok let me try it
[15:07] <ActionParsnip> alarm: try: www.rathergood.com/blode2
[15:08] <alarm> ActionParsnip,  sometimes it works sometimes not, youtube is the best site to test it. when it crash all i see in the part where the application is, is just a grey panel
[15:08] <alarm> seems to work :)
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> alarm: ok, try this: killall firefox; sudo find / -name nsplu*
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> oh
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> dont worry then
[15:09] <ActionParsnip> if it works dont fix it
[15:09] <alarm> what is npviewerplugin all about ?
[15:09] <ActionParsnip> you can delete the folder and archive from your home folder to tidy up
[15:09] <alarm> DaSkreech,  hey
[15:09] <ActionParsnip> there didnt used to be 64bit flash, infact its quite new
[15:09] <untiled> ActionParsnip: it still don't work, now i got to go, thank you a lot
[15:09] <ActionParsnip> alarm: so 64bit linux ran the 32bit flash through a wrapper
[15:09] <bejos> does anyone have sis 672 vga driver for ubuntu 8.10?
[15:10] <alarm> ah ok i see, thats why
[15:10] <alarm> hope they will be soon also some deb pagkage for java plugin without needing a work around
[15:10] <ActionParsnip> alarm: you may find there are stil the nsplugin files in your system which will need removing
[15:10] <alarm> ActionParsnip,  thank you a lot for your help
[15:11] <ActionParsnip> bejos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6841157
[15:11] <alarm> one more quick question if you dont mind. i looked in the shortcut keys but i could not find it. can i add a short cut key to show me the dekstop ? minimize all windows ?
[15:11] <ActionParsnip> bejos: seems to use the sis driver which is part of a stock ubuntu install
[15:12] <ActionParsnip> alarm: sure, run xev in terminal and press they keys, you will see it react if they are seen. make a note of the codes they generate
[15:12] <ActionParsnip> alarm: you can map stuff to those codes
[15:12] <ActionParsnip> !shortcut | alarm
[15:23] <roam> the latest kde4.2 upgrade breaks kdeplasma-addons
[15:24] <roam> on intreprid
[15:24] <tue> roam: plasma wont start for you either?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> I need some advice on some bashrc commands ..Ive been trying to make these commands work in /etc/bash.bashrc : http://www.peterbe.com/Disable-Caps-Lock-in-Linux , but they aren't working ...any ideas ?
[15:25] <roam> tue: it starts, afaict, but some plasmoids stop working
[15:25] <roam> like notes plasmoid
[15:25] <roam> this is from removing kdeplasma-addons packacke
[15:26] <tue> roam: okay, not the same problem that i have then... sorry. there seems to be some problems with plasma and this upgrade.
[15:26] <roam> and installing the new one wants to remove other packages like kate, kdebase-workspace-bin
[15:26] <roam> ksysguard
[15:26] <roam> and downgrade others
[15:26] <roam> which I don't dare to do.
[15:27] <ewjrwerwe> hello
[15:27] <ewjrwerwe> I have a question, if pingin to use yahoo messenger and talk to that how can you know what IP has to know how netstat or any port or what runs?
[15:28] <DaSkreech> ewjrwerwe: You want to know what port yahoo uses?
[15:29] <ewjrwerwe> in windows is 5101, but in ubuntu i dont know
[15:30] <ewjrwerwe> understand what I mean?
[15:31] <ewjrwerwe> if somebody knows what port users running on yahoo messenger when using pingin
[15:31] <Pici> Use netstat -tanp for active connections or use something like tcpdump or wireshark to sniff traffic
[15:31] <ewjrwerwe> and what use? iptraf or netstat-p
[15:31] <Pici> ewjrwerwe: Whatever you want
[15:32] <DaSkreech> ewjrwerwe: 5050 I think
[15:32] <ewjrwerwe> I want to know what ip address has useru that when using pingin talk on yahoo messenger, how am ip and port that runs
[15:32] <thor_> 5050 and 5051 for file transfer
[15:33] <ewjrwerwe> this is file trasnfer ? tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:34003     <IP_ADDRESS>:5050     ESTABLISHED 13750/pidgin
[15:33] <ewjrwerwe> 5050?
[15:33] <thor_> 5050 is for chat
[15:34] <ewjrwerwe> ok
[15:34] <ewjrwerwe> thanks very much
[15:34] <ewjrwerwe> ;)
[15:49] <venik> Can anyone tell me how to configure Krusader so that I could use it in root mode by typing alt-k?
[15:49] <venik> I am getting an error message telling me that some path is not set properly, but I do not kow how to set the path
[15:53] <venik> it says that krusader or kdesu are missing from the path
[15:54] <Wellark> does kubuntu have it's own channel dedicated to jaunty development?
[15:59] <martijn81> Wellark: do a /list
[16:02] <Wellark> martijn81: first of all using /list is concidered being bad behaviour and secondly I asked a simple question and I hoped to get a simple answer. thanks!
[16:03] <martijn81> Wellark: well, there is  #kubuntu-devel
[16:06] <Wellark> martijn81: sorry, I'm in a bad mood.
[16:06] <Wellark> martijn81: thanks!
[16:14] <Cliff`> Hi everyone. Wondering if anyone may be able to help me install Kubuntu. I downloaded & burned the ISO to a CD (actually did this twice from 2 different download locations). When I boot with the CD, the computer goes to the instllation menu, but when I select Install and hit Enter, nothing happens. This has happened on both my desktop computer and my laptop computer.
[16:16] <Cliff`> Also, on my desktop computer I have tried changing hard drives to see if it was the drive that was causing the problem and have used both SATA and IDE hard drives. The problem remains the same.
[16:16] <fcodiaz> sometimes, when seomething like that happens to me I added "noapic noacpi" to the boot command and then works
[16:17] <Cliff`> Where in the boot command do I add that?
[16:18] <obuntu> can i edit menu.lst to use win in the primary hd as default os? i'm in hd0,0 now,i think it is that, that i should add
[16:18] <fcodiaz> whem you start with the CD
[16:18] <fcodiaz> don't remember, but it's one of the F4, F5 or F6 key you have to press
[16:19] <fcodiaz> at the menu you will see these options at the bottom
[16:20] <Cliff`> Ok, I believe it is F4 and it shows a long line in the boot command. Do I add that to the end or somewhere in the middle of it?
[16:20] <fcodiaz> at the end will be fine
[16:20] <Cliff`> ok
[16:20] <Cliff`> I will try. thanks.
[16:20] <obuntu> i mean = (hd0,0) it is the actual hd?
[16:22] <torako> ah how handy
[16:23] <torako> i somewhat have a problem with kubuntu at the moment
[16:23] <obuntu> (hd0,1) is what?
[16:23] <torako> the problem is
[16:24] <torako> after i have restarted after updating
[16:24] <torako> i cannot move my mouse at all
[16:24] <torako> at the login screen
[16:24] <torako> ive ran recovery mode but that doesnt work
[16:25] <torako> (im using a clean Kubuntu installation right now)
[16:26] <torako> also, is it possible to upgrade to KDE 4.2?
[16:26] <torako> in 8.10?
[16:29] <Cuhsion> Uhhhhhhh
[16:29] <Cuhsion> Hello?!
[16:29] <larsaam> Cuhsion: scitzo?
[16:30] <Cuhsion> larsaam: what does that mean?
[16:30] <larsaam> Cuhsion: 4.2 is available from kde.org not in Kubuntu yet
[16:30] <Cuhsion> ahhhhhhh
[16:30] <Cuhsion> thank you
[16:30] <Slartibartfast> obuntu: (hd0,1) is the second partition on the first HD
[16:31] <Cuhsion> larsaam: ill download it directly
[16:32] <Cuhsion> isnt the topic at the top of the window (below the "file" toolbar) a bit old?
[16:33] <Cuhsion> since 8.10 is out now
[16:33] <rvvs89> Hello, does KDE4 have an equivalent to the media:/ kio slave from KDE3?
[16:37] <Cuhsion> rvvs89: I havent used KDE3 but 4 will very probably have a equivalent to the media:/ kio slave
[16:37] <stdin> Cuhsion: we put recent releases in the topic, 8.04.2 came out after 8.10
[16:37] <stdin> KDE 4.2 is available in intrepid-backports
[16:38] <Cuhsion> stdin: ah. I didnt know. Sorry
[16:38] <Cuhsion> stdin: I thought that .04.2 was released BEFORE .10
[16:38] <stdin> also, some people (who are insane IMO) don't like KDE 4, so 8.04.2 is the latest with KDE 3
[16:38] <Cuhsion> Aha
[16:38] <Cuhsion> that makes sense
[16:39] <stdin> Cueball: the .2 means it's the 2nd point release, as Ubuntu 8.04 is LTS and has a lot of updates
[16:39] <stdin> even though Kubuntu 8.04 is not LTS, we get special permission to also release a .2
[16:39] <Cuhsion> awesome
[16:39] <Cuhsion> can I download KDE 4.2 via Konsole?
[16:40] <stdin> yeah, you just need to make sure intrepid-backports is enabled in your sources.list
[16:40] <stdin> then do a normal "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:41] <rvvs89> Cuhsion: Perhaps, but if so then it does not have the same name
[16:41] <Cuhsion> if i do "dist-upgrade" wont that upgrade to 9.04?
[16:41] <stdin> no, the name is a bit misleading. it will just upgrade the packages
[16:42] <Cuhsion> ahhhhhhhh
[16:42] <Cuhsion> ok then :)
[16:42] <Cuhsion> thanks
[16:42] <Cuhsion> rvvs89: how do I edit the sources.list?
[16:43] <Cuhsion> is it similar to the way you edit it on ubuntu?
[16:43] <rvvs89> Cuhsion: With your favorite text editor
[16:43] <rvvs89> Cuhsion: As root
[16:43] <thor_> cuhsion: sudo pico <path to sources.list>
[16:44] <Cuhsion> what is the normal path to sources.list?
[16:44] <Cuhsion> *Kubuntu n00b*
[16:44] <stdin> /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:44] <Exilant> /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:44] <Cuhsion> thanks guys
[16:45] <Exilant> also, try locate sources.list or so, if you want to know where sth. is
[16:45] <rvvs89> Alternatively, why does the New Device Notifier panel widget always open devices in Dolphin, regardless of what the file associations are for directories?
[16:47] <Cuhsion> the "intrepid-backports" isnt in the sources list
[16:47] <Cuhsion> how would i add it?
[16:47] <stdin> add the line: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[16:47] <Cuhsion> and which part would i put it in?
[16:47] <stdin> just add it to the bottom of the file
[16:47] <Cuhsion> k
[16:48] <Cuhsion> thanks
[16:48] <stdin> then Ctrl-O to save and Ctrl-X to close. then run "sudo apt-get update" to refresh the package cache
[16:49] <rvvs89> I have to say, I'm very tempted to reinstall 8.04 because Konqueror is less functional in 8.10
[16:50] <Cuhsion> can a text editor open "sources.list"?
[16:50] <Cuhsion> im having a bit of trouble with Konsole
[16:50] <stdin> you can use Kate
[16:50] <Noughmad> yes
[16:50] <rvvs89> Cuhsion: Yes, any text editor
[16:50] <stdin> kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:53] <Cuhsion> ah it seems the backports are there
[16:53] <Cuhsion> all that for nothing....
[16:53] <Cuhsion> oh well
[16:54] <Cuhsion> just got to wait for Adept to finish
[16:55] <Cuhsion> so after i do "sudo apt-get update" then ill get KDE 4.2?
[16:56] <Cuhsion> or do I do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[16:56] <Exilant> both
[16:56] <Cuhsion> which one goes first?
[16:56] <Exilant> first update (fetches package lists) then upgrade (fetches packages)
[16:56] <Cuhsion> or doesnt it matter?
[16:56] <Cuhsion> oh right
[16:57] <Cuhsion> thanks
[16:57] <Cuhsion> :)
[16:57] <thor_> can anyone tell me if amarok can update my music library from ipod ?
[16:58] <Cuhsion> ooh, id like to know as well
[16:58] <Cuhsion> it would be easier
[16:58] <Cuhsion> oh.
[16:58] <Cuhsion> wait
[16:58] <Cuhsion> i thought wrong
[16:59] <thor_> i mean on ipod
[17:00] <jessica_> hola
[17:00] <Cuhsion> update the music library on Amarok from your ipod?
[17:00] <nachob> hola
[17:00] <Cuhsion> like, add songs from your ipod onto amarok
[17:00] <Cuhsion> ?
[17:01] <thor_> no...adding songs from amaron ON ipod
[17:01] <Cuhsion> Ah!
[17:01] <thor_> *amarok
[17:01] <Cuhsion> thats actually what i was thinking.
[17:01] <Cuhsion> sorry
[17:01] <Cuhsion> i suck.
[17:01] <Cuhsion> i really do.
[17:01] <thor_> my mistake :D
[17:02] <Cuhsion> thor_: are you sure?
[17:02] <stdin> best place to ask is #amarok
[17:03] <somethingclever> is htere a way to get rid of plasma and just have a desktop?
[17:03] <Cuhsion> stdin: woah. a amarok irc channel? would of never thought
[17:03] <somethingclever> like Mepis?
[17:03] <Cuhsion> somethingclever: another thing i want to know.....
[17:03] <stdin> Cueball: many projects have their own channel
[17:04] <stdin> somethingclever: you can not get rid of plasma, but you can have a "classic" style desktop (with KDE 4.2)
[17:04] <Cuhsion> somethingclever: like having a desktop without that gray window?
[17:04] <somethingclever> pretty much Cuhsion
[17:04] <Cuhsion> It would be nice to have a desktop without the gray window
[17:05] <cuznt> grey wondow/
[17:05] <somethingclever> i really like mepis8 though, its the first OS that makes me wanna switch from ubuntu
[17:05] <cuznt> what grey window
[17:05] <stdin> what grey window?
[17:05] <Cuhsion> ive not looked at it yet
[17:05] <Cuhsion> ill check it out
[17:05] <stdin> do you mean the folder view widget?
[17:05] <Cuhsion> stdin: i think so, yes
[17:06] <stdin> like I said, you can do that in 4.2
[17:06] <somethingclever> stdin: how?
[17:06] <stdin> right click the desktop -> Appearance Settings, change Type to Folder View
[17:06] <somethingclever> oh
[17:07] <Cuhsion> thanks stdin
[17:07] <stdin> :)
[17:07] <Slartibartfast> Now that kde 4.2.1 is out and already rolled into Jaunty, does somebody know  if this also will be soon available for 8.10 ?
[17:08] <stdin> it should be, 4.2.1 is in the kubuntu-experimental PPA now
[17:09] <Cuhsion> this is a bit off topic but does anyone know if theres a Berry Linux IRC channel?
[17:09] <Cuhsion> it would be handy to know
[17:10] <stdin> /msg alis help list
[17:10] <stdin> it'll let you search all the channels on Freenode
[17:10] <Cuhsion> ah
[17:10] <Cuhsion> thank you again stdin
[17:10] <stdin> so "/msg alis list *berry*" for instance
[17:11] <Cuhsion> nope.
[17:11] <Cuhsion> ):
[17:11] <Cuhsion> ill search around on google
[17:12] <stdin> they have a forum
[17:12] <Cuhsion> oh.
[17:13] <stdin> http://www.distrostop.org/forums/index.php?board=1116.0
[17:13] <Cuhsion> *jaw drops*
[17:13] <Cuhsion> ive been there
[17:13] <Cuhsion> NO-ONE. REPLIED.
[17:13] <tue__> Slartibartfast: Just a word of warning, i upgraded from 4.2.0 to 4.2.1 on kubuntu 8.10 and now plasma cannot start.. seems like there may be problems with the packages.
[17:14] <Slartibartfast> tue__: aha, thanks a lot for the warning
[17:14] <Cuhsion> OH!
[17:14] <stdin> tue__: report it in #kubuntu-devel
[17:14] <Cuhsion> someone. REPLIED.
[17:14] <Cuhsion> :D
[17:15] <tue__> stdin: There is allready a bug posted.
[17:16] <Slartibartfast> tue__: i have been upgrading Jaunty today and had no problems .... so this must be 8.10 specific
[17:17] <Slartibartfast> Don't know if the packages in the PPA repostories  are much different as what is officialy used in Jaunty
[17:18] <moisekapanda_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:18] <Cuhsion> hmmmmmmmm
[17:19]  * Cuhsion thinks, does this work
[17:19]  * Cuhsion thinks, yes, it does
[17:19] <husayn> HI guys
[17:19] <Cuhsion> handy.
[17:19] <Cuhsion> Hi
[17:19] <husayn> I have installed Kubuntu 8.10
[17:19] <husayn> with KDE 4.1
[17:19] <husayn> the problem is that ,........ that i cant see the Documents thing
[17:19] <husayn> how to accessss the documents folder , earlier it was easy in kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3
[17:20]  * Cuhsion is thinking whether or not he wants to upgrade to Jaunty
[17:20] <husayn> but in KDE 4 i cant see anywhere documents , Home, root these kinds of things
[17:21] <Cuhsion> husayn: have you looked in Dolphin?
[17:21] <Cuhsion> husayn: it would be at the side
[17:21] <husayn> how to open dolphin
[17:21] <husayn> from add widget ?
[17:22] <husayn> I open trash cane and then can access documentnts etc
[17:22] <Cuhsion> husayn: Click on the app. launcher
[17:22] <husayn> but first in KDE 3 i was having simple Documents , Home , Storage etc to click and check it out
[17:22] <Cuhsion> husayn: Dolphin is in the "Favourites" section
[17:22] <husayn> Dolphine file manager
[17:23] <husayn> I seee
[17:23] <husayn> thanks dude .........
[17:23] <husayn> secondly i want to know......
[17:23] <husayn> that i want to download widgets from internet
[17:23] <husayn> i want a CPU meter on the desktop
[17:23] <husayn> when i click Add widget , and click more widgets from internet , several wigets come but how to download them
[17:24] <husayn> I want a CPU widget on the desktop...... also showing my ram etc.
[17:24] <Cuhsion> husayn: Just click "install" to the right of the widger
[17:24] <Cuhsion> *wiget
[17:24] <Cuhsion> **widget
[17:25] <husayn> yes
[17:25] <husayn> wait....
[17:25] <JuJuBee> How do I change the size of the icons in the panel?  System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons -> Panel is set to 32 and grayed out.
[17:25] <husayn> yes ...... on all widgets i have clicked install
[17:25] <husayn> and then there is one button below ..... i.e. Close
[17:25] <husayn> i then close it ..... again i open widget window but cant see those widgets
[17:26] <Cuhsion> husayn: hmm
[17:27] <Cuhsion> husayn: k. does the little icon by the widget say "Uninstall"?
[17:27] <husayn> yes
[17:27] <husayn> when i double click it becomes uninstall
[17:27] <Cuhsion> husayn: then its installed. click Close and then close the Add Widgets window
[17:28] <Cuhsion> husayn: then open it again
[17:28] <husayn> okey let me check again
[17:28] <Cuhsion> husayn: search <insert widget name here>
[17:28] <Cuhsion> husayn: then add it.
[17:29] <husayn> i went to add widgets .. and the all widgets.........
[17:29] <husayn> nothing is coming........ all blank widgets
[17:29] <Cuhsion> husayn: it hasnt worked with me either.
[17:29] <Cuhsion> husayn: i downloaded "RamMeter"
[17:29] <husayn> let me check again
[17:29] <Cuhsion> husayn: It hasnt come up
[17:30] <Cuhsion> sorry husayn, but I dont know....
[17:30] <Cuhsion> stdin, do you know?
[17:31] <husayn> no problem
[17:34] <stdin> it looks like it's a superkaramba widget
[17:34] <Cuhsion> can someone convince me to upgrade to the latest Alpha of Jaunty?
[17:35] <LjL> Cuhsion: i could convince you not to
[17:36] <husayn> I want to access Shares on my Windows machine
[17:36] <husayn> earlier in KDE 3 i used to type \\<IP_ADDRESS> and the share came..
[17:36] <husayn> how to do in KDE 4
[17:37]  * Cuhsion is a n00b in all this lot, so don't ask him
[17:38] <makdaknife> husayn: maybe try smb://<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:39] <husayn> Thanks makdaknife
[17:39] <makdaknife> husayn: did that work?
[17:39] <husayn> ya
[17:39] <husayn> you people great
[17:39] <makdaknife> good :-)
[17:42] <Cuhsion> Someone please convince me to upgrade to Jaunty. Please. ._.
[17:42] <makdaknife> Cuhsion: why do you want to be convinced?
[17:43] <husayn> hey can you people tell me the difference b/w these hardy jaunty things
[17:43] <husayn> i dont understand...... all i know is Kubuntu 8.04 and 8.10 these kinds of things
[17:43] <makdaknife> Cuhsion: either do it or don't... its up to you
[17:44] <makdaknife> husayn: `the 8.04 and 8.10 are release numbers... they map onto the different codenames for each release
[17:45] <makdaknife> husayn: so hardy=8.04; intrepid=8.10 and jaunty is currently in development and will be the next major release
[17:45] <BentFranklin> upgrades are for masochists
[17:45] <nizza> i just upgraded kde to 4.2.1 and got this
[17:45] <nizza> konqueror(22052) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: searchproviders/.desktop not found"
[17:45] <nizza> KCrash: Application 'konqueror' crashing...
[17:45] <nizza> sock_file=/home/martijn/.kde/socket-jupiter-laptop/kdeinit4__0
[17:45] <nizza> when i load konqueror
[17:45] <Cuhsion> BentFranklin: You somewhat have a point
[17:45] <nizza> what is going on?
[17:47] <vishesh_> Hey I have this Intel G35 onboard graphic card. And I don't think the drivers are installed cause whenever I run an openGL application, it runs really sluggishly plus there is nothing about a graphic card in xorg. I have the xorg-intel ... package installed. Any suggestions ?
[17:48] <Slartibartfast> husayn every new release follow the alphabet ... Once there was Feisty, then cam Gutsy, Then Hardy ,,, now there is Intrepid, and the next will be Jaunty
[17:48] <White_Pelican> in kde 3, as you all remember, the "K" button was on the taskbar, in kde 4, what is it now called?
[17:48] <husayn> ohhhhhh I cee
[17:49] <husayn> actually i am a windows and cisco guy....... i have no idea about linux operating systems
[17:49] <Slartibartfast> After Jaunty Jackalope will come Karmic Koala :-D
[17:49] <Slartibartfast> You see :-)
[17:49] <Slartibartfast> It are just names ...
[17:50] <husayn> i cee like Windows xp and windows vista and windows 7
[17:50] <Slartibartfast> Yeah ... but with a little more consistency
[17:50] <koperton> Hi
[17:51] <Slartibartfast> i mean .. 95 me xp vista 7 doesn't have nothing in common ......
[17:51] <husayn> hummm i cee....
[17:51] <husayn> hey i wana ask a question
[17:51] <draik> !video
[17:52] <husayn> In my office... we have got Dell Optiplex computer with 1.8Ghz and 1GB ram , when i am running Kubuntu there , live cd , it gets stuck during the load process of KDE
[17:52] <vishesh_> You think any of you would be able to help me out ?
[17:52] <husayn> but in home my IBM t42 , 1.7Ghz with 1GB ram , its working fine
[17:52] <husayn> but in office ,....... i have tried the same on 2 different PCs both Dell optiplex... but i receive the same problem
[17:53] <martijn81> anyone else having problems with konqueror under kde 4.2.1?
[17:53] <makdaknife> husayn: yeah... except that microsoft has codenames as well... so think of Windows XP as something like Kubuntu 8.04 and 'Whistler' as something like 'Hardy Heron'
[17:53] <Cuhsion> Slartibartfast: KARMIC KOALA?!
[17:53] <Cuhsion> Slartibartfast: Thats just a little cool.
[17:53] <jbwiv> guys, is there a way to get Firefox to use dolphin when attaching/uploading files?
[17:54] <Cuhsion> Slartibartfast: Im giving Kudos to the person who made that name
[17:54] <BentFranklin> vishesh_: Don't ask to ask, just ask
[17:54] <Slartibartfast> Cuhsion: Yeah , as far as i know that will come after Jaunty jackalope :-)
[17:55] <Cuhsion> Slartibartfast: I thank you for telling me. Now, I must find the person who made that name
[17:55] <Slartibartfast> Google it and you'll see: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000536.html
[17:56] <Cuhsion> thanks
[17:56]  * makdaknife is holding out for the 'Zimmerframe Zebra' release
[17:56] <Pici> !koala
[17:56] <Slartibartfast> hehehe .. cool
[17:57] <Cuhsion> October?!
[17:58] <Cuhsion> Zimmerframe Zebra.....
[17:58] <maco> Cuhsion: what?
[17:58] <maco> Cuhsion: releases are usually in april and october...
[17:58] <Cuhsion> "[17:56] * makdaknife is holding out for the 'Zimmerframe Zebra' release"
[17:58] <Cuhsion> nice.....
[17:59] <makdaknife> :-) by that stage kde4 will kick-ass
[18:00] <maco> ...already does
[18:00] <Slartibartfast> yeah
[18:00] <makdaknife> maco: sure... still a bit buggy though
[18:00] <maco> makdaknife: just about all software has bugs
[18:00] <makdaknife> maco: sure... some software more than other
[18:01] <makdaknife> maco: I'm really enjoying kde4 btw... just think that it still needs a lot of work
[18:01]  * Cuhsion is wondering if 9.04 is any different than 8.10 except from a few bugs fixed, faster boot time and new versions of programs
[18:01] <maco> Cuhsion: not really
[18:02] <Slartibartfast> Cuhsion: new versions of programs bring new features
[18:02] <ubunturos> possibly, it ends up being that.
[18:02] <maco> ubuntu has that new notification thing that makes pidgin-on-kubuntu annoying. but kubuntu...pretty much just version updates i think. oh and kpackagekit replacing adept.
[18:04] <Slartibartfast> i noticed today kpackagekit installed complete automatically new software :-) ... really did not have to do anything
[18:04] <tue__> anyone knows about the current stability of jaunty alpha 5?
[18:06] <Cuhsion> I, too, would like to know about the stabillity.
[18:06] <Slartibartfast> tue__: well alpha 5 is already old and needds a lot of updates ... still a lot of problems.
[18:08] <Slartibartfast> Like i can not normally shutdown ... need to crash X with ctrl alt bksp to shutdown ..... nvidia problems
[18:08] <Slartibartfast> firefox seem to crash when shutting down ....
[18:08] <Slartibartfast> some applets crash
[18:09] <Slartibartfast> etc
[18:09] <Cuhsion> ...
[18:09] <Cuhsion> ill wait.
[18:10] <Cuhsion> how stable would the Beta be?
[18:10] <Cuhsion> oh wait
[18:10] <Cuhsion> ignore me
[18:10] <Cuhsion> next month is april
[18:10] <Cuhsion> ill just wait until then
[18:11] <Slartibartfast> Cuhsion: good choice :-)
[18:12] <Slartibartfast> on my laptop i also wait ... but on my desktop where i can choose from 4 operating systems to boot it is nice to test things out
[18:16] <ZmAY> i would like to format /dev/sda8 with reiserFS, what is the command.. sudo mkfs.reiserfs /dev/sda8  ?
[18:18] <makdaknife> ZmAY: pretty much...
[18:18] <ZmAY> is anything missing
[18:19] <makdaknife> ZmAY: not unless you want something specific
[18:20] <makdaknife> ZmAY: you could man mkfs.reiserfs
[18:20] <ZmAY> not realy, but if i run that command nothing happens
[18:21] <makdaknife> ZmAY: unfortunately I don't have anything that I can test that on
[18:22] <ZmAY> ok, tnx anywhy
[18:22] <JuJuBee> How do I install kde 4.2 for intrepid?
[18:23] <Shaman666> easy
[18:23] <Shaman666> backports
[18:23] <JuJuBee> Just select intrepid-backports under sources?
[18:24] <Shaman666> intrepid-backports to your sources
[18:24] <Shaman666> yep
[18:24] <JuJuBee> K, that was easy.  Thanks Shaman666
[18:25] <Shaman666> np
[18:25] <ubuntu__>  :)
[18:25] <anahata> hi :)
[18:27] <anahata> i'm talking to you from kubuntu livecd
[18:27] <anahata> soon i shall install the whole thing, dual booting with xp, so i'll probably be in here for help later on
[18:28] <makdaknife> ZmAY: i just created a small img using dd and tried mkfs.reiserfs and definitely got a load of clear output... something must be wrong on your side
[18:29] <makdaknife> cool see you later anahata
[18:31] <sheeple> hello friends.
[18:31] <anahata> no i'm not leaving yet :P
[18:31] <anahata> but i will soon here