[00:00] <apachelogger> well
[00:00] <valorie> the login to Amazon from Amarok is completely open to the buyer
[00:00] <apachelogger> do we have a version that is in-your-face yet?
[00:01] <valorie> sucks that the fsf is bagging on us, because of Canonical
[00:01] <valorie> when we are a community supported flavor
[00:02] <yofel> hm, it is disturbing that the article doesn't mention Unity even once
[00:02] <ScottK> valorie: Yes.  We have none of that.
[00:03] <valorie> and no way to respond to his blog
[00:03]  * valorie is not a big fan of the present-day Stallman
[00:04] <valorie> I give him credit for his early work, but I don't think he's helping, these days
[00:04] <valorie> and too often, the opposite
[00:06] <ScottK> In this case (which is somewhat rare) I agree with him.
[00:07] <valorie> sure, but we're being tarred with that brush
[00:07] <valorie> I don't like that one bit
[00:08] <valorie> people still listen to him
[00:08] <valorie> oh well, I've got to get the post office before they close
[00:09] <maco> valorie: ive heard someone say "i pay attention to stallman the way a ship's captain pays attention to a light house. good to know where it stands, but you dont want to be in the same place"
[00:11]  * ScottK knows who that was too.
[00:11] <ScottK> Either that or someone that copied it.
[00:16] <ronnoc> It's hypocritical to say that Ubuntu is evil, when he earlier said that open source software, even on proprietary platforms, is a good gateway to free software ideals. At worst, this is merely the inverse of that idea. Much to do about nothing, IMHO.
[00:17] <ronnoc> Besides, didn't Ubu make the Amazon lense entirely viluntary?
[00:17] <ronnoc> *voluntary
[00:17] <ScottK> ronnoc: It's on by default and even local searches get sent to Canonical if you haven't disabled all online lenses.
[00:18] <ScottK> You can't turn off just the search stuff, it has to be all the online stuff in lenses or none of it.
[00:18] <ronnoc> hmmm
[00:18]  * ronnoc hasn't used stock Ubuntu in years
[00:19] <ScottK> If I were to use the local search functions on Unity for $WORK, I would almost certainly immediately violate the terms of more than one consulting contract.
[00:19] <ScottK> It's just not a serious concept for people who use computers for work.
[00:20] <ronnoc> Hence the flood of new users to Kubuntu and spin-offs like Mint
[00:22] <ScottK> yofel: Another 4.9.4 regression (see packagers).
[00:23] <yofel> great...
[00:23] <yofel> I won't look at those today, can do it tomorrow morning
[00:24] <ScottK> Great.
[00:39] <valorie> maco: agreed
[01:20] <ScottK> Riddell: knavalbattle section should not be libs.  I overrode it to games, so please fix on the next upload.  The package description is a bit sparse as well ...
[01:26] <ScottK> Riddell: debian/copyright in ksnakeduel lists the wrong copyright holders.  I'll accept it, but please fix.  It should also be section games.
[01:28] <ScottK> Riddell: picimi also has the wrong copyright holders and section.  Please fix it as well.
[01:46] <yofel> ScottK: as pykde4 requires SIP from raring - do I need to backport python-qt4 as well? or will backporting it break something as the python3 versions are different?
[01:52]  * yofel backports and hopes for the best
[01:54] <yofel> hm, I need to backport pyqt anyway
[02:24] <yofel> erk
[02:24] <yofel>  Missing build dependencies: python3-all-dev (>= 3.2.3-6~)
[02:24]  * yofel calls it a day - good night
[06:17] <rbelem> danimo, what do you think about use libcap-ng in icecc?
[06:18] <rbelem> danimo, i started a patch doing that https://github.com/rbelem/icecream/tree/libcap-ng
[06:20] <rbelem> danimo: what do you think?
[06:20]  * rbelem snoozes
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:29] <yofel> dolphin patches for 4.9 are imported
[16:27] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks.
[16:30] <ScottK> Riddell: You have a ubiquity merge request I've asked you to review (not sure how closely you read that type of mail)
[16:51] <Riddell> ScottK: thanks added to my todo
[16:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you get my comments from my New review of your games packages yesterday?
[16:53] <Riddell> ScottK: mm yes but I should also have that on my todo thanks
[16:53] <Riddell> added now :)
[16:53] <ScottK> Great.
[16:59] <yofel> ScottK: would you be so nice to look at the quantal backport for python-qt4 in ninjas? I have no idea what needs to be done there without breaking something.
[16:59] <ScottK> I'll try and have a look.  I'm not sure I remember.
[17:00] <Riddell> if it's hassle to backport then it can be missed out
[17:00] <yofel> it needs a newer python3 version than we have in quantal
[17:00] <yofel> Riddell: without it we don't get pykde
[17:00] <Riddell> not many people need the latest and greatest pykde I'd think
[17:00] <yofel> hm, ok, then only kate needs to be fixed to be happy with the old pykde
[17:00] <ScottK> yofel: I'd skip it unless it's essential.
[17:01] <yofel> I don't know. If we don't really need the new pykde, then I would skip sip/pyqt/pykde altogether
[17:01] <ScottK> The solution (I remember now) is the fixed dh_python3 and we don't want to mess with that in our PPA
[17:01] <ScottK> That's best if you can manage it.
[17:02] <yofel> only kate is stuck in depwait, if the rest will work with the old one we're fine
[17:02] <ScottK> IIRC most of that was driven by the switch to python3.3 and that's not relevant.
[17:02] <yofel> I'll remove the python stuff
[17:13] <ScottK> I went through the 4.9.90 packages in the archive and retried everything that needed it.
[17:33] <shadeslayer> ohai
[17:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thanks for that
[17:34] <ScottK> The ubuntu-build script is full of awesome.
[17:36] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apart from being awesome, it's also buggy
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ~ » ubuntu-build kate raring status
[17:40] <shadeslayer> powerpc: Successfully built.
[17:40] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No.  That's correct
[17:40] <shadeslayer> lolwot
[17:40] <ScottK> You want the status in raring-proposed
[17:40] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kate/4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1/+build/4046243
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ohh
[17:41] <shadeslayer> it ... okay
[17:41] <ScottK> Do what I mean, not what I say is not a bug.
[17:48] <shadeslayer> I assumed it would just take the most recently uploaded version
[17:50] <yofel> 4.9.90 for quantal ready for testing. Noting obviously broken here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/ppa/4.9.90p.html
[17:50] <yofel> !testers
[17:50] <yofel> it's in ninjas
[17:51] <shadeslayer> raring ftw  :P
[17:51] <yofel> i'm installing it here on my desktop right now.
[17:54] <yofel> meh, need to backport digikam
[17:56] <yofel> and I didn't fix the kajongg deps for quantal o.O
[18:48] <Tm_T> yofel riddell et al, if you add to !testers call "| test foofoo from barbaz" we get all the information in the hilight (:
[18:49] <yofel> I keep forgetting about that...
[18:49] <Tm_T> np
[19:27] <simplew> i have many applications appearing in gnome session, why werent these .desktop files set to appear only in KDE desktop?
[19:28] <yofel> which ones? Most kde applications run fine in gnome
[19:29] <simplew> yofel: theres many, yes but having equivalent gnome apps and als have kde apps listed shouldnt happen
[19:29] <ScottK> simplew: Apps are generally DE independent.
[19:30] <yofel> No, that's fine. There are people that run amarok in gnome for example
[19:30] <ScottK> The only things that should be KDE only are things tied to the DE/workspace.
[19:30] <simplew> yofel: this its confusing...
[19:31] <yofel> why? We have no reason to prevent people from using nautilus in KDE or dolphin in gnome. What's used by default is just a DE setting. If a use wants to override that, let him do it
[19:32] <yofel> s/a use/a user/
[19:32] <kubotu> yofel meant: "why? We have no reason to prevent people from using nautilus in KDE or dolphin in gnome. What's used by default is just a DE setting. If a user wants to override that, let him do it"
[19:32] <shadeslayer> actually
[19:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: unless something changed, using nautilus in KDE is a bad idea
[19:32] <shadeslayer> takes over plasma-desktop
[19:32] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:33] <shadeslayer> atleast that's what it did 4 years ago
[19:33] <yofel> not sure how it's in gnome3
[19:33] <yofel> but yeah, back then you needed --no-desktop
[19:33] <ScottK> Probably  takes over more now that Gnome is an OS.
[19:33] <simplew> yofel: :)
[19:33]  * yofel assumed that they took the desktop out of nautilus
[19:34] <yofel> wait, that's gnome-shell now, isn't it?
[19:34] <simplew> yofel: ?
[19:34] <yofel> simplew: just wondering what manages the desktop in gnome these days. In gnome2 it was nautilus. I think in gnome3 it's gnome-shell
[19:35] <ScottK> FYI, I'm checking out the Python 3 patch for kpythonpluginfactory and will upload an ubuntu2 of pykde4 if I get it worked out.
[19:35] <ScottK> jbicha would know.
[19:36] <yofel> I need to try that gnomebuntu thing one of these days
[19:40] <simplew> yofel: well im just poking around in gnome to see how it goes, im not an expert :)
[19:41] <simplew> yofel: but i thought that if there are apps equivalent in gnome to kde, that the kde apps should appear only kde
[19:41] <yofel> nope, the user is free to use either one
[19:42] <simplew> yofel: im using dolphin in gnome though...
[19:43] <simplew> nautilus is a mess...
[19:44] <simplew> and im in konversation also :D
[19:56] <yofel> digikam finally finished building
[20:00] <shadeslayer> hah
[20:00] <shadeslayer> futurama has this sound in one of their episodes which sounds exactly like my mac when it boots
[20:00] <yofel> *sigh* - yet another mac fan spotted
[20:01] <shadeslayer> the kind that spins?
[20:01] <ScottK> Someone should tell Apple so they can sue.  Their valuable intellectual property is being tarnished.
[20:02] <yofel> well, that too. I meant fan as in fanboy though :P
[20:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hehe
[20:02] <ScottK> shadeslayer: re the notes on the pad: The polikit-qt thing with pykde is not new.
[20:03] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[20:03] <shadeslayer> I put it in there before I knew what the issue was
[20:03] <shadeslayer> forgot to remove
[20:03] <shadeslayer> apparently polkit qt is too new
[20:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: could you upload a new hupnp release?
[20:04] <yofel> note: the things you can ignore are documented in cmake-ignore.json in the automation folder
[20:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Give me the .dsc link
[20:04] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/hupnp_1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc
[20:05] <yofel> yay, overwrite errors FTW -.-
[20:05] <shadeslayer> oh drat, I just realized that there are new copyright years from the diff
[20:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^ Want me to fix those before you upload?
[20:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.  Please.
[20:06] <shadeslayer> okay, will do and send you a new link later
[20:20] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Any luck on KTP and the gstreamer transition?
[20:21] <shadeslayer> Uhh ... I asked George to email the Kubuntu Devel ML
[20:21] <shadeslayer> but I guess he hasn't gotten around to it
[20:22] <yofel> *sigh* - you still can't restart normally after updating to 4.9.90
[20:22] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I can't comment because I don't really have an idea as to what needs to be done ... he's the best guy to answer that email
[20:22] <yofel> what provides the logout/shutdown/restart/etc. confirmation menu?
[20:23] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Please follow up with him then.
[20:23] <shadeslayer> yeah pinged him agan
[20:23] <ScottK> You're our KTP guy so ...
[20:23] <shadeslayer> *again
[20:23] <ScottK> Thanks.
[20:23] <shadeslayer> right
[20:27] <yofel> printer config seems to work, so I guess we're fine using pydke 4.9
[20:27] <yofel> *pykde
[20:28] <yofel> anyway, except that you can't reboot after update, 4.10 works fine here in quantal
[20:53] <yofel> I'm copying the quantal packages to the beta ppa, we can continue the testing there
[21:03] <yofel> !testers | Please test 4.10 from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta for quantal
[21:05] <Tm_T> I just installed 4.90.* from ninjas
[21:05] <Tm_T> suffice?
[21:06] <ScottK> yofel: The new print thing is in C++
[21:06] <ScottK> Tm_T: It's in raring proposed.
[21:07] <ScottK> kdeplasma-addons won't build until we get a fixed marble.
[21:08] <yofel> Tm_T: for quantal? yeah, that's fine
[21:08]  * yofel just didn't recieve any response yet
[21:09] <shadeslayer> ->sleep
[21:09] <yofel> nini shadeslayer
[21:18] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [932177] XFCE (and other non-GNOME) desktops do not initialise gnome-keyring correctly / WARNING: gn... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/932177 (by Paul Bogmat)
[21:41] <jussi> Welll, this 4.10 beta appears to work well
[21:43] <jussi> Any particular test cases I need to run?
[21:45] <yofel> "It works" is probably good enough for the beta. But if you have a laptop, try the touchpad config and see if it still works. (Or any pykde app for that matter)
[23:21] <afiestas> has anyone tried the rarin alpha?
[23:21] <afiestas> I'm trying to install it, and so far it is stuck in the page after selecting the lang


[00:05] <roaksoax> bigjools: around?
[00:05] <bigjools> roaksoax: in body, perhaps
[00:05] <roaksoax> bigjools: heh :) just coming back to life?
[00:05] <lifeless> bigjools: the flesh is here the spirit is lacking
[00:05] <lifeless> ?
[00:06] <bigjools> I am sat at my desk but nobody is home!
[00:06] <bigjools> sleepless nights do that :(
[00:06] <roaksoax> boomer
[00:07] <roaksoax> bigjools: so there's a bug in packaging
[00:07] <bigjools> annoying, because it's the first night in ages where it's not been roasting hot
[00:07] <bigjools> roaksoax: /o\
[00:07] <bigjools> A BUG, OH NOES!
[00:07] <roaksoax> bigjools: when cluster controller puts MAAS_URL as http://localhost/MAAS
[00:07] <roaksoax> which breaks
[00:07] <roaksoax> pxe booting
[00:07] <bigjools> that would yes
[00:07] <roaksoax> (enlistment, commissioning)
[00:07] <roaksoax> bigjools: other than that tested maas/1.2 in raring
[00:08] <roaksoax> and works like a charm
[00:08] <bigjools> woohoo
[00:08] <bigjools> did syslinux get fixed?
[00:08] <roaksoax> bigjools: nah
[00:08] <bigjools> you used quantal's :)
[00:08] <roaksoax> bigjools: nah
[00:08] <bigjools> heh
[00:08] <roaksoax> bigjools: :) the only thing is that it didn't localboot
[00:08] <roaksoax> which is external from maas
[00:08] <bigjools> you used magic pixie dust
[00:09] <bigjools> ah
[00:09] <roaksoax> bigjools: which im gonna look at tomorrow
[00:10] <roaksoax> bigjools: now im gonna upload that to raring
[00:10] <roaksoax> bigjools: as soon as what i proposed for merging gets uploaded
[00:10] <bigjools> roaksoax: nice
[00:10] <bigjools> when's the next techboard meeting?
[00:10] <roaksoax> bigjools: now since lp:maas/1.2 is 1.2, does it make sense to upload as maas-1.2~bzrXYZ?
[00:11] <roaksoax> bigjools: yes after I upload, wait for tech board meeting
[00:11] <bigjools> roaksoax: +1 on the version
[00:12] <roaksoax> bigjools: so when I upload trunk, i was thinking on maas-1.2+bzrXYZ
[00:12] <bigjools> mmmmm
[00:12] <bigjools> I don't know
[00:13] <bigjools> you were talking about a version bump for raring
[00:13] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah so i thought about this ~|+ since you mentioned you werent sure about the version bump
[00:13] <roaksoax> bigjools: we could call it 1.3~
[00:14] <bigjools> sounds ok
[00:14] <bigjools> we can make a 1.3 branch when releasing into 13.04
[00:14] <roaksoax> ok cool
[00:14] <roaksoax> i'll do that then
[00:14] <roaksoax> bigjools: so I'd just like https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/ipmi_versioning_support_lp1086162 and https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/ipmi_versioning_support_lp1086162_1.2 in
[00:14] <roaksoax> to upload to raring :)
[00:15] <bigjools> one sec!
[00:17] <roaksoax> bigjools: alright so it iwll be 1.2+ (instead of 1.2~)
[00:17] <bigjools> yeah makes sense
[00:19] <roaksoax> cool
[00:19] <roaksoax> alright so TB is next :)
[00:20] <roaksoax> bigjools: and if they accept we will make it before 12.04.2
[00:20] <bigjools> roaksoax: both approved with a small change
[00:21] <roaksoax> cool thanks
[02:45] <roaksoax> bigjools: the hjenkings issue seems unrelated
[02:45] <roaksoax> WebDriverException: Message: u'Message: \'Can\\\'t load the profile. Profile Dir: /tmp/tmpcmDMBI Firefox output: Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":1014".\\n*** LOG addons.xpi: startup\\n*** LOG addons.xpi: checkForChanges\\n*** LOG addons.xpi: No changes found\\n\' \n-------------------- >> begin captured stdout << ---------------------\n    \n    Starting Firefox\n\n--------------------- >> end captured stdout << ----------------------'
[02:45] <bigjools> roaksoax: yeah
[02:45] <bigjools> it's broken yet again
[02:46] <roaksoax> there was a jenkins breakeage due to a security update (or so i heard)
[02:46] <roaksoax> bigjools: do you want me to fix the formatting issue?
[02:46] <bigjools> roaksoax: please
[02:47] <bigjools> I don't think this is related to that, it's having trouble starting an X frame buffer
[02:48] <roaksoax> bigjools: to the security update?
[02:48] <bigjools> I think so
[02:49] <roaksoax> yeah that's what I mean,t it might be related to the security update
[02:50] <roaksoax> bigjools: this has already been merged btw: https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/ipmi_versioning_support_lp1086162_1.2/+merge/143194
[02:50] <bigjools> ok
[02:51] <roaksoax> bigjools: https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/fix-formatting-issue-1.2/+merge/143226
[02:51] <roaksoax> https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/fix-formatting-issue/+merge/143227
[02:51] <roaksoax> i'm approving them myself
[02:51] <bigjools> no worries
[02:51] <bigjools> I wonder what the heck jenkins and tarmac are doing then?
[02:52] <roaksoax> yeah
[02:52] <roaksoax> did it fail in trunk? or unle in 1.2?
[02:52] <bigjools> waaaat
[02:53] <bigjools> wtf
[02:53] <bigjools> it said it wasn't merging it, and then did!
[02:53] <roaksoax> yeah it did merge it
[02:54] <bigjools> not good
[02:54] <roaksoax> indeed
[02:54] <roaksoax> things went crazy
[02:55] <bigjools> I emailed matsubara
[02:56] <roaksoax> ack
[15:37] <roaksoax> rvba: howdy!! I was wondering what's that "generator" option in pserv.yaml
[15:42] <rvba> roaksoax: hi, let me check.
[15:42] <rvba> roaksoax: it's the url used by the TFTP server to contact the MAAS API to fetch the PXE configs.
[15:43] <roaksoax> rvba: ok cool
[15:43] <roaksoax> so there's a bug in packaging
[15:43] <roaksoax> on upgrade it replaces maas_cluster and sets MAAS_URL as localhost
[15:43] <roaksoax> localhost/MAAS
[15:43] <roaksoax> which cases PXE to break
[15:46] <rvba> roaksoax: Looks like a bug indeed… I'm surprised that Julian did not witness that when he did the upgrade testing…
[15:47] <roaksoax> rvba: so this should help: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1534585/ makes sense?
[15:48] <roaksoax> argh didn't work
[15:51] <roaksoax> i know why!
[16:24] <spideyman> Hi
[16:25] <spideyman> where does the config template path come from? /usr/share/provisioningserver/pxe?
[16:42] <roaksoax> spideyman: huh?
[16:43] <roaksoax> spideyman: i think you want /usr/share/pyshared/provisioningserver/pxe
[16:43] <roaksoax> rvba: still around?
[16:44] <rvba> roaksoax: yep
[16:44] <roaksoax> rvba: could you pelase review: https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/update_maas_url_on_upgrade_raring/+merge/143352
[16:44] <roaksoax> https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/update_maas_url_on_upgrade_precise.sru/+merge/143350
[16:44] <roaksoax> https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/update_maas_url_on_upgrade_quantal/+merge/143351
[16:44] <roaksoax> same change on all
[16:44] <roaksoax> has been tested works as expected
[16:44] <rvba> ok
[16:44] <roaksoax> rvba: thanks!! :)
[16:45] <spideyman> roaksoax: ah, thanks sorry
[16:56] <rvba> roaksoax: when does the bug manifests itself exactly?
[16:56] <rvba> roaksoax: simply when the cluster package gets upgraded?
[16:56] <roaksoax> rvba: yes
[16:57] <rvba> k, ta
[16:57] <roaksoax> rvba: say you have raring installed, and then you upgrade, maas_cluster.conf ends uip with MAAS_URL=http://localhost/MAAS
[16:57] <roaksoax> so when a node PXE boots
[16:57] <roaksoax> it tells it look for your preseed in url=http://localhost/MAAS
[16:57] <roaksoax> which is wrong :)
[16:59] <roaksoax> rvba: so the fix is basically 1. "update MAAS_URL always (install and upgrade from the debconf db)" or if nothing is set in 1. check whether the cluster has been installed alongisde the region, and use the value set in MAAS_DEFAULT_URL
[17:00] <rvba> All right, your fix seems sane but I'll recreate the problem first just for safety.
[17:00] <roaksoax> sure
[17:00] <roaksoax> rvba: the package that fixes this is in ppa:maas-maintainers/experimental
[17:01] <roaksoax> rvba: and I saw this after upgrading all my MAAS systems (2) and being unable to enlist
[17:07] <rvba> roaksoax: why did the upgrade change the original value?
[17:09] <roaksoax> rvba: the root cause of this is that in 1.2 branch and trunk the url used for the preseeds is the value in maas_cluster.conf (MAAS-URL), however in previous versions (currently released) thius is obtained from DEFAULT_MAAS_URL
[17:11] <roaksoax> rvba: this is the commit http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers/maas/1.2/revision/1332
[17:16] <rvba> roaksoax: so if we're upgrading and the region controller is on another machine, the value of the url will be in te debconf db right?
[17:20] <roaksoax> rvba: yes
[17:21] <roaksoax> rvba: so on upgrade, it will be upgraded correctly
[17:21] <rvba> k
[17:30] <rvba> roaksoax: I'm sorry but I don't really understand the problem… if the cluster is installed alongside the region, then http://localhost/MAAS is a valid url to use to reach the MAAS server.
[17:31] <roaksoax> rvba: yes, now try to enlist a node
[17:31] <roaksoax> rvba: it will PXE boot, then it will fail to find the meta-data server
[17:31] <roaksoax> because the argument that passes the url for the metadata
[17:32] <roaksoax> will be http://localhost/MAAS/metadata/XYZ
[17:37] <rvba> I've installed a 1.2 package from scratch and I still have MAAS_URL=http://localhost/MAAS in /etc/maas/maas_cluster.conf
[17:37] <rvba> (I can't test enlistment just new because there is a problem with the lab)
[17:38] <roaksoax> rvba: ok so add ppa:maas-maintainers/experimental and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:38] <roaksoax> that should upgrade MAAS
[17:38] <roaksoax> and MAAS_URL should be http://XYZ/MAAS
[17:44] <rvba> roaksoax: it's really weird, the url passed to the node is still computed using DEFAULT_MAAS_URL for the nodes in the master cluster's network.
[17:59] <rvba> roaksoax: I'm sorry but I need to think a little bit more about the bug you've fixed, I've summarized what I think about the problem on the MP but I need to step out now.  I'll have another look at this tomorrow.
[18:00] <rvba> roaksoax: sorry for the delay but maybe we will find a more elegant way to fix this.  I have to talk to Julian tomorrow morning about something else also we will have a look at your MP too.
[18:03] <roaksoax> rvba: cool, but i'm gonna upload this regardless
[18:03] <roaksoax> cause this "fix" only works when region controller is installed
[18:03] <rvba> roaksoax: ok
[18:04] <roaksoax> otherwise
[18:04] <roaksoax> upgrades will be broken
[18:04] <roaksoax> rvba: i'll catch up with julian about this tonight
[18:05] <roaksoax> rvba: but thanks for taking a look at it :)
[22:56] <spideyman> Hi
[22:57] <spideyman> I just updated from the latest quantal maas-maintainers daily build archive and I can no longer set kernel_opts for nodes
[22:58] <bigjools> spideyman: can you file a bug describing it please
[22:58] <spideyman> bigjools: I'm not sure if it's something I missed, I also don't see the global kernel paramaters Web UI option anymore
[22:59] <spideyman> bigjools: was there a change to this?
[22:59] <spideyman> bigjools: sure, although I'm not sure if it's a bug, or something I didn't update/install
[23:00] <bigjools> what version did you upgrade from?
[23:00] <spideyman> well, both before and after said 1.4.1
[23:01] <bigjools> the option is there somewhere, I can't remember offhand where though!
[23:02] <spideyman> it was here: http://localhost:8080/MAAS/settings/
[23:02] <spideyman> and tag.create(kernel_opts="<whatever>") isn't excepted
[23:03] <bigjools> if you are around later I can take a look


[08:52] <Scary_Guy> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=285597 Help, I'm having this issue but in Ubuntu.
[08:57] <Scary_Guy> https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo Nevermind, fix at bottom
[13:37] <cmaloney> interesting
[14:36] <jrwren> cmaloney: does H'un (Lacerations) by Bright Sheng count as modern classical?
[14:37] <jrwren> I'm usually with you re: modern classical, but I got to hear a live performance and when I looked it up later, I can't believe it didn't win the pulitzer for which it was nominated
[14:39] <cmaloney> jrwren: I have no idea what that is. :)
[14:40] <cmaloney> I think you're more in-tune with modern classical than I am
[14:41] <jrwren> I don't even know how it is defined.
[14:41] <cmaloney> For me, if it's on Naxos then sure. :)
[14:41] <cmaloney> and if it's on Naxos Jazz then it's not. ;)
[14:41] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=praYBiHyfCk
[14:42] <jrwren> sadly, I didn't find the recording nearly as compelling.
[14:42] <cmaloney> But yeah, it has all of the hallmarks of classical
[14:43] <cmaloney> and modern classical
[14:47] <cmaloney> I can appreciate the music, but I'm not sure I like it. :)
[16:24] <wolfger> a much greater loss than Kissinger: Shane MacGowan, the irascible frontman of The Pogues, has died at age 65
[16:40] <jrwren> like my buddy said, given his lifestyle, its kind of amazing he lived to 65
[16:42] <wolfger> heh. I'm sure.
[16:43] <wolfger> Keith Richards still kickin', though
[16:43] <wolfger> Ozzy, too.
[16:43] <wolfger> Some things just don't make sense.
[16:51] <jrwren> alcohol is VERY BAD
[16:51] <jrwren> worse than a lot of drugs.
[16:51] <jrwren> we were lied to as children


[00:08] <PsynoKhi0> Hi, due to the instability of Hardy on my low low end test machine I've downgraded to Gutsy, and I stumbled upon this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12824/
[00:08] <PsynoKhi0> is this a definite bug?
[00:17] <PsynoKhi0> btw the CPU in both cases doesn't support throttling
[00:39] <crimsun> martyn: hmm, are you implying that sound is not audible through speakers?
[00:39] <martyn> Yep - that is correct.
[00:39] <martyn> Works fine through headphones.
[00:39] <crimsun> please download and run the alsa-info.sh script.
[00:40] <crimsun> (linked from both https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems and my LP profile)
[00:49] <crimsun> martyn: just ping me if you need further assistance.
[00:53] <martyn> crimsum http://pastebin.ca/1021413 - not sure how to ping you so if you are still about here is the pastebin link (it was on a box that was switched off - I needed to put it on, install ssh, vsftp and then copy the alsa-info.sh across.
[00:54] <crimsun> I'm here, just scrambling across different workstations
[00:57] <martyn> OK - sorry for not been able to ping you - not sure how to do that. Only just started using the IRC resource!
[00:57] <crimsun> that's ok, it's just: crimsun: ping
[00:59] <martyn> crimsun: ping - ok - I'll know for next time.
[00:59] <crimsun> great
[01:01] <crimsun> hmm
[01:01] <crimsun> it looks like that paste was cut off at line 279
[01:03] <crimsun> martyn: please rerun the script using --debug
[01:07] <martyn> crimsun:ping http://pastebin.ca/1021421 Here is the re-run script report
[01:07] <crimsun> ok, sec.
[01:08] <martyn> Looks like same thing?
[01:08] <crimsun> huh, well.  Yes.
[01:08] <crimsun> are you sticking with gutsy for any particular reason?
[01:09] <martyn> Not at all... it is an older system but just haven't got around to uploading it. I have Hardy on other systems and will happily dist-upgrade...
[01:09] <martyn> .. sorry .. upgrading it...
[01:10] <crimsun> ok, because a newer ALSA driver should resolve that.
[01:11] <martyn> alright - will be a long process because it isn't the fastest system about (Acer Travelmate 2200). Thanks for advice. Will feedback if you are still about/awake when it is done.
[01:11] <crimsun> I'm EDT (-0400 GMT/UTC)
[01:12] <martyn> Oh - Ok... makes sense. It is 1:12am here! (UK).
[01:33] <LeFish> hi! would anyone be so kind and help me with my internet navigator keyboard under xfce?
[01:34] <LeFish> i really did try pretty much anything i know and the special keys just wont work
[01:42] <mackes> xubuntu rocks
[01:42] <mackes> I mean really- It is the best lean disto on the market.
[01:43] <mackes> PIII 600 MHZ, with 256, or 512 is just perfect for this distro, and Its like having a new machine with Vista once you add the right theme, and codacs
[03:03] <nubuntu_> guys, how do i install open office on xubuntu from terminal?
[03:04] <nubuntu_> in the documentation it says it should already be installed, but it wasn't on this machine.
[03:05] <litlebuda> nubuntu_, wait a sec im serching to see what pakage you have to install
[03:06] <nubuntu_> litlebuda, thanx.
[03:06] <litlebuda> nubuntu_,  sudo apt-get install openoffice.org
[03:06] <nubuntu_> litlebuda: i couldn't get it in add/remove nor from synaptic.
[03:07] <nubuntu_> k, lemmie try, thx
[03:07] <litlebuda> nubuntu_, it shoul be in synaptic
[03:07] <litlebuda> thats how i saw
[03:07] <litlebuda> the package name
[03:08] <nubuntu_> thats what i thought... there were 'parts' of open office there, but i din't see the selection for whole suite.
[03:08] <litlebuda> its all there
[03:08] <litlebuda> if you select this one it will automagically select all the others :)
[03:09] <nubuntu_> litlebuda: look what i get in terminal: Package openoffice.org is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:09] <nubuntu_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:09] <nubuntu_> is only available from another source
[03:09] <nubuntu_> E: Package openoffice.org has no installation candidate
[03:09] <nubuntu_> nubuntu@nubuntu-desktop:~$
[03:09] <litlebuda> use synaptic
[03:10] <nubuntu_> but what package name?
[03:10] <litlebuda> and seach for openoffice
[03:11] <litlebuda> its openoffice.org
[03:11] <litlebuda> i think :)
[03:14] <nubuntu_> litlebuda: i get a list that starts with openclipart-openoffice.org, and several individual openoffice package components (none the principal ones like presentation, office, spreadsheet, etc...)  could something be amiss in my software sourcelist?
[03:15] <litlebuda> wait a sec
[03:16] <litlebuda> just below  openclipart-openoffice.org is openoffice.org
[03:16] <litlebuda> at least here it is
[03:23] <litlebuda> nubuntu_, got it ?
[03:24] <nubuntu_> no, i checked my software sources and ubuntu archive was not checked (don't know how that happened).  i reloaded it, and now the terminal is loading openoffice.  thanks for your help.  bbl, gotta go pick someone up (cab driver)
[03:24] <litlebuda> ok
[03:24] <litlebuda> no problem
[04:08] <darthanubis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=704453
[04:08] <darthanubis> I would like to know why?
[04:37] <darthanubis> Bug #181703
[05:43] <nubuntu_> can someone please refresh my memory on how to set up menu to completely delete files rather than moving them to trash?
[05:54] <nubuntu_> also, how do i get a sound volume control up into my panel?
[05:58] <nubuntu_> knock, knock
[06:16] <nubuntu_> can someone please refresh my memory on how to set up menu to completely delete files rather than moving them to trash?
[06:16] <nubuntu_> also, how do i get a sound volume control up into my panel?
[06:17] <nubuntu_> sil vouz play
[06:17] <nubuntu_> por favor, please
[06:17] <drash> hi nubuntu, for the sound volume control, right-click panel > add item ..
[06:19] <nubuntu_> drash, a window came up axing me for a device, what does xubuntu want here?
[06:19] <nubuntu_> wait, i tink it just wanted 'default'
[06:19] <drash> probably your sound card device
[06:20] <drash> that should work if you got only one sound card yes
[06:20] <drash> gdluck
[06:21] <nubuntu_> drash, ok, think i got it.  i just installed the suite of utilities that come bundled with 'disk usage analyser' but none showed up in menu, any clue why not?
[06:21] <drash> no sorry, unfamiliar with those utilities
[06:22] <drash> items not showing up in the menu though can be fixed by analysing the appropriate .desktop file(s) that package installed ..
[06:23] <nubuntu_> k, thanks
[06:23] <drash> .. and adjusting the line that starts with "Categories" to something xubuntu understands
[06:23] <drash> no prob
[06:24] <drash> check how some of your working menu items describe themselves, they're in /usr/share/applications
[06:26] <nubuntu_> maybe over my head
[06:26] <drash> nah, take it slow, it's only text files
[06:29] <drash> if you paste the content of the .desktop file to paste.ubuntu.com I'll be glad to have a look
[09:29] <Vencabot> Hey, Xubuntu! :D I was wondering if there was any way to keep Xubuntu's (Xfce's?) default screensaver from seeing the computer as idle when a gamepad is being used as input. Anyone know?
[09:30] <Vencabot> A lot of Googling has come up empty. Seems like I'm one of few people having this problem.
[10:18] <harry_> howdy all!
[10:19] <TheJudasPriest> hm.. how long does it normally take to install xubuntu on a ten-year-old system?
[10:22] <TheJudasPriest> as long as it takes to get a reply around here it seems
[10:31] <rollingdownthedr> TheJudasPriest: depends on the memory you have mostly
[10:31] <TheJudasPriest> 128MB i believe
[10:32] <rollingdownthedr> TheJudasPriest: should be about an hour or so - depends on if it gets hung accessing the net...
[10:32] <TheJudasPriest> hah! the machine im putting it on isnt networked yet so..
[10:35] <rollingdownthedr> TheJudasPriest: well - less than an hour I would think
[10:35] <TheJudasPriest> cheers RDTDR
[10:39] <rollingdownthedr> :)
[11:29] <TheJudasPriest> well got it up and runnning
[11:30] <TheJudasPriest> everything seems great except.. it wont play any audio CD
[11:31] <drash> did you install any additional packages Priest ?
[11:31] <TheJudasPriest> no sir. only the base installation
[11:31] <TheJudasPriest> (used the alternate CD)
[11:32] <drash> you might want to do that first, i'll check my bookmarks for a nice overview , brb
[11:32] <drash> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[11:33] <drash> has lots of good stuff for audio and video
[11:34] <TheJudasPriest> cheers mate. the only thing stopping me, really is that the machine isnt hooked up to the net
[11:34] <drash> ow that's for another day the i suppose, yw
[11:35] <TheJudasPriest> yes sir
[11:35] <drash> could it be that you have to "unmute" the speakers ? also a common thing we tend to forget ..
[11:35] <TheJudasPriest> uh let me go check
[11:36] <drash> happens all the time, gdluck
[11:37] <TheJudasPriest> well this is embarassing...
[11:37] <drash> let us now how it went, we'll whistle some tunes if it doesn't work
[11:37] <TheJudasPriest> how the heck do i unmute it?! theres no audio controller like there is in GNOME
[11:38] <drash> you can add one to the xfce panel on top
[11:38] <TheJudasPriest> well im in the settings manager and in the sounds menu
[11:38] <drash> right-click and go for the 'add item' option
[11:39] <TheJudasPriest> but it only gives me a drop down with the options of 'default' and an amalgam or letters and numbers which is probably my audio setup
[11:39] <TheJudasPriest> brb
[11:39] <drash> yes that sounds like what you're after
[11:39] <drash> ok
[11:41] <Ben_Cs> hello. i have a problem on Hardy that wasn't on 7.10: i have no subtitles. not in vlc and not in Totem. although dragging the subtitle file onto a played movie on vlc shows subtitles, but then the movie can't be paused/controlled. please help!
[11:42] <TheJudasPriest> well.. it seems that attempting to drag volume control to the panel only adds a tiny space
[11:43] <drash> after adding it to the panel you can right click again but now look for properties
[11:44] <drash> Hi Ben_Cs, checked Totem's preferences for subs ?
[11:45] <Ben_Cs> drash: yes. naming the subtitle the same works for totem, but doesn't help VLC
[11:46] <drash> in vlc the settings are burried somewhere deep (check the 'show advanced options' in right bottom corner)
[11:46] <drash> it works, question of going through all those options, vlc has loads
[11:47] <Ben_Cs> drash: auto load subtitles is marked
[11:47] <drash> in vlc ?
[11:47] <Ben_Cs> drash: yes
[11:47] <drash> i'll check my settings, brb
[11:48] <TheJudasPriest> grr
[11:48] <drash> no go Priest ?
[11:49] <TheJudasPriest> the volume control just refuses to show up
[11:49] <drash> ah yes, it works if you open the 'add item' stuff again, but instead of hitting 'add' you drag it onto the panel
[11:50] <TheJudasPriest> yes ive been dragging it
[11:50] <drash> well that's the end of my help-desk-rope i'm afraid :)
[11:50] <Ben_Cs> subtitles auto detection paths:    ./Subtitles, ./subtitles             is it ok?
[11:51] <drash> Ben_Cs: yes, simplest thing is to make sure the movie and sub is in the same folder anyway
[11:51] <TheJudasPriest> thanks anyway, drash!
[11:52] <drash> you're welcome
[11:52] <drash> Ben_Cs: did you activate any of those overlays and made sure they can see a font for drawing the subtitles on screen ?
[11:53] <drash> mine uses freetype2 renderer and a bit further down this has a separate entree where i gave it a path to a nice screen font
[11:56] <Ben_Cs> drash: i have Default
[11:57] <Ben_Cs> oh never mind i gotta go
[11:57] <Ben_Cs> thanks anyway
[11:57] <drash> ok bye
[11:57] <drash> no prob
[11:57] <TheJudasPriest> seems to have another problem.. wont mount the cd rom drive
[11:58] <drash> did you try to mount it 'manually' from a console ?
[11:58] <TheJudasPriest> nope, only trying through the GUI
[11:59] <drash> in Thunar ? the volume management or what is it called again ?
[11:59] <TheJudasPriest> i added a device mounter to the top panel and have been clicking on it through there
[12:00] <drash> yes that's a rather confusing panel app, could never use it myself
[12:00] <TheJudasPriest> oh well, ill stop trying with it then
[12:00] <drash> open Thunar and check the prefs there, it's easy
[12:01] <TheJudasPriest> trying now
[12:01] <drash> only takes a second, look for the advanced tab on the right, below is a link to the volume management enabler
[12:07] <TheJudasPriest> well its all enabled
[12:08] <drash> that's a start, i just thought of something i had to do after upgrading gutsy to hardy
[12:08] <drash> the new pulseaudio system ..
[12:08] <drash> do you have the pulseaudio daemon running ?
[12:09] <drash> system monitor shows that kind of info btw
[12:09] <TheJudasPriest> no clue. this is the first thing ive tried to do (apart from changing the themes to human)
[12:09] <TheJudasPriest> ill go check
[12:10] <TheJudasPriest> only a dbus daemon running
[12:10] <kripz> got xubuntu 8.04 amd64 + opera 9.5 beta 2 amd 64, can i get/use java?
[12:10] <TheJudasPriest> no pulseaudio
[12:10] <drash> you can launch one via a console, key in "pulseaudio -D"
[12:11] <TheJudasPriest> without quotations
[12:11] <drash> yes indeed, forgot to add that
[12:11] <TheJudasPriest> kay
[12:13] <TheJudasPriest> hmm
[12:13] <TheJudasPriest> well i keyed it in and told me it wasnt installed so i keyed in the command to install it and im guessing i need to be networked to do so
[12:14] <drash> could be, i upgraded the lot from a gutsy xubuntu, thought pulse came standard on hardy ..
[12:15] <TheJudasPriest> oh no...
[12:15] <TheJudasPriest> when i was burning the image in Ubi it had an error right at the end of burning
[12:15] <TheJudasPriest> could this be what was missing?!
[12:15] <drash> could very well be
[12:15] <TheJudasPriest> yarrr!
[12:16] <TheJudasPriest> so in simple terms i have to wait until im networked till i can get audio up and running?
[12:16] <drash> you can always try to put the cd back in and instead of installing ther's an option at the first screen to test the crc on the iso and burn stuff you did ..
[12:17] <TheJudasPriest> yes i tested the integrity of the disc before i installed and it said everything was 100% Okay
[12:18] <drash> confusing .. without connection there isn't much i can think off i'm afraid
[12:19] <TheJudasPriest> i should have a wireless network card before the end of the week so its no big drama
[12:19] <drash> pretty sure though PulseAudio is on xubuntu 8.04, that's the one you're using ?
[12:19] <TheJudasPriest> yes sir. alternate Cd installation (if it makes any difference)
[12:20] <drash> no none that i know off, but then again, i'm only dabbling in xubuntu myself with trial and loads of error
[12:21] <TheJudasPriest> not like im a linux noob myself either (been onboard since Fedoa Core 3) but this is my first shot with XFCE
[12:23] <drash> yes it's those tiny little differences that make it hard at first, at least you seem to have the xorg.conf etcetera covered, took me a week to get compiz going grrr
[12:23] <TheJudasPriest> every distro has its own form of initiation
[12:24] <drash> spoken as a true Priest haha
[12:25] <drash> have you tried the #ubuntu channel btw ? Seems to be more active than this one
[12:26] <TheJudasPriest> havent been on there to talk about xubuntu. you think id get my questions answered?
[12:26] <drash> have seen loads of questions there that looked slightly off-topic, but pulse and audio topics shouldn't be a problem i think
[12:27] <drash> give it a shot, more eyes on a problem can't hurt
[12:27] <TheJudasPriest> of course not
[12:36] <TheJudasPriest> well
[12:36] <TheJudasPriest> that was futile
[12:40] <drash> sundays maybe .. can't seem to find a simple solution myself at the moment grrr, ah well, maybe it's time for a bbreak
[12:40] <kripz> using xubuntu 8.04 amd64 and opera 9.5b2 amd64, how do i get java working?
[12:42] <TheJudasPriest> yeah just getting a dark french coffee and turning in the old system
[12:44] <drash> kripz: you can activate java via Synaptic
[12:45] <kripz> drash, which package?
[12:46] <drash> i'll check, there are a few options, brb
[12:46] <drash> sun-java6-bin
[12:47] <drash> that's the official java from sun, also sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin
[12:49] <kripz> drash, i cant see sun-java6-plugin?
[12:50] <drash> kripz: you must activate some extra repositories for that, proprietary driver etc..
[12:51] <drash> Via Synaptic GUI or manually uncommenting some lines in your sources.list ..
[12:52] <drash> after that it should show up
[12:52] <kripz> drash, everything is ticked for repositories except for source
[12:52] <kripz> and http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu is checked
[12:53] <drash> i'll check where that package is coming from, brb
[12:54] <drash> it's from the multiverse repo
[12:55] <kripz> maybe im missing some sources from the third-pqrty tab
[12:56] <drash> could be, but both other java packages mentioned also come from multiverse repo, a bit strange
[12:59] <kripz> drash maybe the plug in only appears for x86?
[13:00] <drash> yes that's a possibility, i'm not sure
[13:02] <drash> the plugin is also installable if you point you're firefox (or other mozilla browser) to sun's website
[13:02] <drash> that's an alternative route untill you can clear-up the repo confusion
[13:09] <TheJudasPriest> well
[13:10] <rolldownthedrive> a well is a hole in the ground :)
[13:10] <TheJudasPriest> a well is the stone wall surrounding the hole in the ground?
[13:11] <rolldownthedrive> not all wells are surrounded by stone walls...
[13:11] <TheJudasPriest> oh?
[13:11] <TheJudasPriest> well arent you just mister knows-wells-all-too-well
[13:12] <rolldownthedrive> ask any african
[13:12] <rolldownthedrive> that was a generalisation
[13:12] <TheJudasPriest> no one here is offended
[13:12] <TheJudasPriest> wait.. Xubuntu is supposed to be the one for Africans and stuff
[13:13] <rolldownthedrive> xubuntu is for anyone - ubuntu is an african word is all
[13:13] <TheJudasPriest> yes but Xubuntu runs on the lower end PCs and all that jazz
[13:14] <rolldownthedrive> how'd the install go TheJudasPriest
[13:14] <TheJudasPriest> ah all well and good except pulseaudio was being stubborn
[13:16] <rolldownthedrive> pulseaudio bites!
[13:16] <TheJudasPriest> just wasnt installed
[13:16] <TheJudasPriest> couldnt mount the CD drive..
[13:16] <TheJudasPriest> couldnt get to the volume control
[13:16] <TheJudasPriest> and thats about all
[13:17] <rolldownthedrive> tried typing    alsamixer     in a terminal?
[13:17] <TheJudasPriest> ergh
[13:17] <TheJudasPriest> ill boot her up and try it out
[13:17] <rolldownthedrive> k
[13:20] <pteague> is there a way to find out how much ram is attached to a video card?
[13:20] <rolldownthedrive> pteague: try   sudo lshw   - it gives lots of info
[13:22] <pteague> that's what i'm currently looking at & i don't see anything on this 1
[13:23] <drash> pteague: sysinfo also has a tab with info on your graphics card i believe
[13:23] <pteague> & not seeing anything on the other... i'm getting clock speed
[13:23] <drash> no, sorry, that doesn't show it either
[13:24] <TheJudasPriest> thanks RDTD
[13:24] <TheJudasPriest> well.. now audio CDs arent mounting so i cant try it out
[13:25] <drash> Priest, try "sudo mlocate *.wav", there's bound to be something on there that you could use to test sound
[13:26] <pteague> well, my old compaq armada e500 (500mhz intel, 128mb ram, ati rage mobility) worked pretty good yesterday as a frontend... watched all of the 1st indiana jones movie & got through most of the 2nd movie until suddenly mythtv exited... i'm guessing it got to hot
[13:26] <TheJudasPriest> will try it out now
[13:33] <TheJudasPriest> all right!
[13:33] <TheJudasPriest> cool cool stuff
[13:34] <TheJudasPriest> party time
[13:34] <drash> :)
[13:34] <TheJudasPriest> its all working now! thanks alot RDTD
[13:34] <TheJudasPriest> ill work on getting those audio cds to mount tomorrow
[13:34] <drash> warn your neighbours lol
[13:35] <TheJudasPriest> five channels of HELLL
[13:35] <TheJudasPriest> yeah you get that really satisfied feeling when you get soemthing to work on linux
[13:36] <drash> yes that's true, i've redone the sealing a few times this week .. glowing like a child when i saw compiz the first time
[13:36] <TheJudasPriest> you got the flame drawing and all that up?
[13:37] <drash> yep, altough there's still alot to configure
[13:37] <TheJudasPriest> i dont think my old system can hack that
[13:37] <TheJudasPriest> but its on this one and its killer
[13:37] <rolldownthedrive>  q/msg ubottu !mount
[13:37] <rolldownthedrive> oops
[13:38] <drash> the new compiz fusion splash is cool indeed
[13:38] <rolldownthedrive> !bot
[13:38] <TheJudasPriest> hm
[13:38] <TheJudasPriest> !bot
[13:38] <TheJudasPriest> damn
[13:38] <rolldownthedrive> !tab
[13:39] <TheJudasPriest> <Jenny Talz>
[13:39] <TheJudasPriest> what the
[13:39] <TheJudasPriest> well id best some shuteye
[13:39] <TheJudasPriest> letterman aint on tonight so no use in staying up
[13:40] <rolldownthedrive> I'm off to watch the motogp myself :)
[13:40] <TheJudasPriest> righto
[13:40] <TheJudasPriest> night lads
[13:40] <TheJudasPriest> oh wait
[13:40] <TheJudasPriest> before i go
[13:40] <TheJudasPriest> whats the offtopic xubuntu channel?
[13:40] <drash> cya TheJudasPriest
[13:41] <rolldownthedrive> #xubuntu-offtopic
[13:41] <rolldownthedrive> night all
[13:41] <TheJudasPriest> excellent
[13:41] <TheJudasPriest> nighty night
[13:46] <kripz> anybody got links to guides on installing java x86 on xubuntu amd64??
[13:50] <drash> kripz: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=343, but you might seen that already ..
[14:18] <kripz> wooo success
[14:18] <kripz> extracted java x86 to a random folder, installed opera x86, changed the java path and it worked
[14:24] <drash> :) smart thinking
[14:52] <PsynoKhi0> Hi
[14:55] <PsynoKhi0> Hardy wasn't hanging quite often on my K6-2 machine, especially under load, so I went back to Gutsy which doesn't have any issues, and I've found something curious http://pastebin.com/m44f6986b
[14:55] <PsynoKhi0> oops
[14:55] <PsynoKhi0> Hardy WAS hanging* sorry
[14:58] <PsynoKhi0> Is the acpi implementation in Hardy having issues with older CPUs?
[16:45] <daftpunk> Could someone tell me how to uninstall firefox?
[16:46] <daftpunk> not through synaptic package manager
[16:46] <daftpunk> but terminal
[16:46] <daftpunk> please
[16:46] <daftpunk> I have a problem I can not install any add-ons to firefox
[16:47] <daftpunk> it just says that installation terminated due to unknown error. After that it show in Add-ons as installet but the Addon is not working. And I can't ninstall it either
[16:47] <daftpunk> aNY ideas please?
[16:51] <MiKa|> sudo apt-get remove firefox
[16:51] <MiKa|> or maybe not 'firefox'
[16:51] <MiKa|> i dont really know
[16:51] <MiKa|> maybe 'mozilla-firefox'
[16:52] <Stroganoff> at first i'd remove the profile directory
[16:52] <Stroganoff> mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-backup
[16:53] <daftpunk> let me try
[16:53] <daftpunk> thank you guys
[16:54] <daftpunk> and next? just remove it?
[16:55] <daftpunk> I used Firefox3 Beta uninstalled it and installed firefox2
[16:55] <daftpunk> Could that cause the problem (although I can't see why)
[16:57] <daftpunk> OK i will try to install it back now
[16:59] <daftpunk> Setting up firefox-2 (<IP_ADDRESS>+2nobinonly-0ubuntu1) ...
[16:59] <daftpunk> Please restart any running Firefoxes, or you will experience problems.
[16:59] <daftpunk> cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/firefox-2/firefox-2-restart-required.update-notifier': No such file or directory
[16:59] <daftpunk> dpkg: error processing firefox-2 (--configure):
[16:59] <daftpunk>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[16:59] <daftpunk> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[16:59] <daftpunk> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[16:59] <daftpunk> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:59] <daftpunk>  firefox-2
[16:59] <daftpunk> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:00] <daftpunk> installation comes up with this. any ideas why?
[17:03] <xodiak> Morning. Trying to install an audacious skin. (also happens with other basic tasks) but I do not have the permissions in the directory to extract the files. This happens all the time and I have to go into terminal and "su" to do most anything with directories.
[17:05] <daftpunk> i think you just need to change permissions
[17:05] <xodiak> as su in a terminal window?
[17:06] <daftpunk> I think, I'm a newbie as well but I came accross this already
[17:06] <daftpunk> just a sec
[17:06] <xodiak> yeah, that was it. I did chmod 777 Skins
[17:06] <TheSheep> xodiak: gksu thunar
[17:06] <TheSheep> xodiak: but don't overuse that
[17:07] <xodiak> TheSheep: thank you. I remember reading about that. (only been using this OS for a week. sorry for the newbness.
[17:08] <xodiak> daftpunk: thanks for that too it also worked.
[17:09] <daftpunk> np at all
[17:10] <daftpunk> Can somebody tell me where are all the firefox add-ons saved?
[17:10] <daftpunk> I have a serious problem with firefox
[17:10] <TheSheep> daftpunk: in .mozilla/firefox/random-name-of-your-profile/extensions
[17:11] <daftpunk> thanks
[17:11] <daftpunk> will it solve the problem If i just delete everything? :D
[17:12] <TheSheep> no idea about the nature of your problem, so can't tell
[17:13] <daftpunk> Problem is that addons that didnt work on firefox-2 are now showing under firefox 3 as installed and they don't work and I can't uninstall them. reinstaling firefox does not solve the problem.
[17:17] <drash> daftpunk, there are two config settings you can try to change, extensions.checkCompatibility and extensions.checkUpdateSecurity, put them both to 'false'. Install 'nightly tester tools' if you don't already have it and from the restart on you can activate or de-activate your add-ons
[17:17] <drash> if the keys don't exist, put them in as new via about:config
[17:28] <xodiak> question: I'm having to run Xubuntu (or Xfce I guess) because I'm doing this on a really old system. What is the lightest, less of a resource hog web browser?
[17:30] <PsynoKhi0> Dillo is very lightweight, though lacks a quite a few functions
[17:30] <PsynoKhi0> you could go for w3m too, which is textbased
[17:31] <xodiak> I don't know if I want to go that light.
[17:32] <xodiak> I'll give Dillo a try to check it out though.
[17:32] <PsynoKhi0> well, what are the specs or your old comp?
[17:32] <PsynoKhi0> or = of
[17:33] <xodiak> 450Mhz / 640 mb ram / 64 mb video
[17:33] <PsynoKhi0> oh boy
[17:33] <PsynoKhi0> 640 or 64 MB RAM?
[17:34] <PsynoKhi0> Opera would run nice on that I'd say
[17:34] <xodiak> 640
[17:34] <xodiak> Yeah, opera has been better than Seamonkey and Firefox so far.
[17:34] <PsynoKhi0> if we stick to programs available from the official repo at least
[17:35] <PsynoKhi0> I've tried  Kazehakase though found it a bit rough still
[17:36] <xodiak> I'm really liking opera. But if I get too many tabs open, the system slows down a bit
[17:37] <PsynoKhi0> Konq-E didn't impress me... NetSurf might be an option
[17:38] <xodiak> downloading netsurf now
[17:40] <xodiak> thanks people.
[17:45] <godlygeek> is it just me, or should openoffice.org depend upon, or at least recommend, a dictionary?
[17:46] <godlygeek> i consider myself a pretty fluent linux user, and needed google to help me figure out that i needed to install myspell-dictionary-en to get spellchecking working..
[17:47] <godlygeek> and i think it only affects those of us who are xubuntu users, since ubuntu users have OOo preinstalled with dictionaries
[18:04] <Stroganoff> what's the matter?
[18:10] <godlygeek> hm?  was that addressed to me?
[18:11] <godlygeek> (i don't know if people were talking before i joined... :) )
[18:14] <godlygeek> my complaint is just that installing openoffice.org-writer, and every package that it depends on or recommends, spell checking flat out doesn't work...
[18:15] <godlygeek> it's a packaging gripe with OOo, i guess, but since it's a problem that only users for whom OOo and its dictionaries weren't automatically installed will bump into...
[18:16] <godlygeek> which, afaik, means only xubuntu users and ubuntu server edition users...
[18:24] <Stroganoff> godlygeek try installing language-support-xx
[18:25] <godlygeek> fair enough, that clearly would have done the trick...
[18:25] <godlygeek> but, how would i have known to do that?
[18:26] <godlygeek> i'm not so much worried about me, so much as the people i'm trying to convince that ubuntu makes linux usable for the (only slightly above) average end-user...
[18:27] <PsynoKhi0> godlygeek: was it an alternate cd install?
[18:27] <godlygeek> no, desktop cd - though it was a beta install that i dist-upgraded
[18:27] <godlygeek> when hardy final came out, i mean
[18:36] <godlygeek> well, if this isn't a problem that other people have, i suppose i'll shut up about it.  :)
[18:36] <godlygeek> thanks anyway, PsynoKhi0, Stroganoff
[18:36] <PsynoKhi0> np heh
[19:14] <Stroganoff> well, myspell and hunspell are "recommended" packages to openoffice, so..
[19:29] <Madsy> Any decent articles on how to configure the xfce menu?
[19:34] <TheSheep> try the xfce help
[20:04] <crazycat75vr> hallo
[20:25] <holyguyver_> How do I set it up so that my home folder is on a shared partition?
[21:17] <biro> hi all, I'm having major trouble with thunar on a clean install of xubuntu 8.04. It keeps freezing when I show/hide hidden files either from the menu or ctrl+ h
[21:18] <biro> can anyone suggest where to start looking for the problem?
[21:19] <ubuntunovice> I just tried to play a mp3 using totem... the codec was not installed.. synaptic automatically started and a couple of codecs which can be installed appeared.. I clicked twice and the codecs were installed! THIS IS GREAT STUFF!!! Finally linux has become userfriendly.. what I was wondering is how does synatpic know it has to start up? does Totem give a signal to synaptic? or how does it work...?!
[21:21] <TheSheep> ubuntunovice: yes, totem has a plugin for that
[21:21] <ubuntunovice> cool
[21:22] <ubuntunovice> this is hot stuff... the end of windows I believe...
[21:22] <ubuntunovice> computers could be hundreds of euros cheaper if the big manufacturers would turn to ubuntu!
[21:22] <TheSheep> nah, Windows ended in 2002
[21:22] <ubuntunovice> that would be a big sales argument!
[21:22] <TheSheep> it just takes a lot of time to die off for such a giant
[21:22] <ubuntunovice> well..... still 99% of home pcs have windows on it
[21:23] <ubuntunovice> but really... was it that difficult? Why couldn't Redhat do something like ubuntu does now? I bought redhat 7 and it was crap!!
[21:23] <TheSheep> ubuntunovice: MS has still a lot to say, consider http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/145059/no_change_in_xp_plan_despite_ballmer_comment_microsoft_says.html
[21:23] <ubuntunovice> it just didn't work..
[21:23] <TheSheep> sorry, wrong article
[21:24] <TheSheep> ubuntunovice: this one http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/145719/microsoft_to_limit_capabilities_of_cheap_laptops.html
[21:24] <TheSheep> ubuntunovice: they are ready to start *paying* vendros to include Windows
[21:25] <TheSheep> vendors*
[21:25] <ubuntunovice> can hardly believe that.. how would they make money then?
[21:26] <TheSheep> ubuntunovice: selling windows-only apps, like ms office
[21:27] <TheSheep> ubuntunovice: they already record only loses from selling windows, they get money from office and xbox
[21:27] <ubuntunovice> how do you know that?
[21:27] <TheSheep> ubuntunovice: just read news, there was a yearly summary published by then in January
[21:28] <TheSheep> by them
[21:28] <TheSheep> of course, those loses might be fake, to save on taxes
[21:29] <nikolam> does going to the console (Ctrl+Alt+F1, F2, Fn) works for you? I use 8.04/64bit and it does not
[21:30] <TheSheep> nikolam: it works, at least with the Intel driver
[21:30] <TheSheep> nikolam: 64bit here too
[21:31] <nikolam> I use prop. laest fglrx (ati/amd)
[21:32] <nikolam> also, since 6.10 Ctrl+Alt+Fn does not work on liogin screen
[21:32] <nikolam> i suppose it it due to fglrx
[22:52] <trollboy> Howdy, I'm running hardy and for some reason my desktop went away
[22:52] <trollboy> the base color is still there, but I can't right click and all my icons are gone
[22:52] <trollboy> what's more xchat says I can't load a transparent bg
[22:52] <trollboy> anyone encounter this before?
[22:55] <drash> hi trollboy .. might be that your desktop got lost, try "xfdesktop" from a console
[22:58] <trollboy> sudo first?
[22:58] <godlygeek> no.
[22:59] <trollboy> ok.. well...
[22:59] <trollboy> is doing something
[22:59] <trollboy> no output, but hasn't returned the prompt yet either
[22:59] <godlygeek> it won't.  did it give you your desktop back?
[22:59] <trollboy> yes
[22:59] <trollboy> yes it did
[23:00] <drash> can you right click and get the menu ?
[23:00] <trollboy> yes
[23:00] <drash> you need to re-activate some stuff i think
[23:00] <trollboy> how would I go about doing that?
[23:00] <drash> settings > desktop
[23:00] <trollboy> ok?
[23:00] <trollboy> Allow Xfce to manage the desktop is checked
[23:01] <drash> settngs > settings manager actually, in there look for desktop
[23:01] <godlygeek> then, in the terminal, you can press CTRL-z  then  "bg<enter>"  then  "disown<enter>"  and you should be back at a prompt, and "jobs" shouldn't report anything.
[23:01] <drash> that shloud do it
[23:02] <trollboy> thanks
[23:02] <trollboy> anyway to prevent this in the future?
[23:03] <godlygeek> if you can figure out a way to prevent program crashes, you'll make a lot of money...  :)
[23:03] <trollboy> lol
[23:03] <godlygeek> xfdesktop crashed, which meant it was removed from the session...
[23:03] <trollboy> its what I do all day long
[23:04] <trollboy> right, but I rebooted and it still was gone
[23:04] <godlygeek> all you could do is add it back into the session (what you just did)
[23:04] <godlygeek> or delete the session and start a new one
[23:04] <godlygeek> sure, but sessions get saved between reboots.  ever left a file browser open when you shut down, and noticed it pop back up when you logged back in?
[23:05] <godlygeek> it's the "Save session for future logins" thing on the exit menu.
[23:07] <godlygeek> i believe, though i'm not certain, that if you had ever unchecked that when logging out, things would have been fixed when you logged back in.
[23:09] <trollboy> nice
[23:09] <trollboy> thanks
[23:44] <n-iCe> what's the best xubuntu version?
[23:50] <godlygeek> n-iCe: they're all good.  those of us in here prefer xubuntu, obviously.  :)
[23:50] <n-iCe> but 7.10 is better than 8.04 ?
[23:50] <godlygeek> oh, wait, the best *xubuntu* version?  what do you mean?  Hardy vs Gutsy vs Feisty?
[23:50] <n-iCe> Cuz I tried to install 8.04 and all crashed
[23:50] <n-iCe> couldn't make it work
[23:50] <n-iCe> yeah
[23:51] <godlygeek> 8.04 is the newest and the one that will be officially supported for the longest as of right now.
[23:52] <godlygeek> what crashed for you?  the installer, or the desktop after the install?
[23:52] <n-iCe> ALL
[23:52] <n-iCe> Just didn't start up
[23:52] <godlygeek> the installer didn't start up at all?  that's odd.
[23:52] <godlygeek> what type of machine are you running on?
[23:52] <n-iCe> The pc after update rebooting
[23:53] <godlygeek> after installing for the first time from a CD?
[23:53] <n-iCe> from updates manager
[23:53] <n-iCe> I have the 6.06 cd
[23:53] <n-iCe> then upgraded to 6.10 > 7.04 then 7.10
[23:53] <n-iCe> or something like that
[23:53] <n-iCe> I loved 7.10, but like eveybody i wanted more, then creashed
[23:54] <n-iCe> lazzy to upgrade again though
[23:54] <godlygeek> so, nothing at all comes up when you try to boot now?
[23:55] <godlygeek> or, have you reinstalled 6.06?
[23:55] <n-iCe> reinstalled
[23:56] <godlygeek> ah.  well.  not much anyone can do to help you, then.  :)
[23:57] <godlygeek> 8.04 works fine for most people, though...
[23:57] <godlygeek> if you try to upgrade again and it fails again, see if the people either here or in #ubuntu can help you fix it rather than reinstalling.


[00:48] <bluesabre> good evening all
[00:49] <knome> hell
[00:49] <knome> o
[00:49] <knome> :|
[00:58] <bluesabre> :(
[00:58]  * bluesabre sobs uncontrollably in the corner
[00:59] <knome> again?
[00:59] <bluesabre> :'(
[00:59] <knome> now what is it this time?
[00:59] <bluesabre> you being a bully :P
[01:00] <knome> right?
[01:00] <bluesabre> :D
[07:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1533200
[07:22] <flocculant> not sure what's causing that - but I guess we don't want to have that for 3 years ...
[07:22] <flocculant> or rather than not sure - can't remember what ochosi said about it ...
[07:24] <flocculant> or even if I misremember that :(
[09:42] <Unit193> flocculant: Dang, bummer you got stuck with the CC meeting. :/
[09:42] <Unit193> Go well?
[09:43] <dholbach> Unit193: I don't think it was that much of an ordeal...
[09:45] <dholbach> flocculant did a great job explaining what's currently happening in the xubuntu world and which issues are currently most pressing.
[09:49] <Unit193> dholbach: Hah, nothing personal.  Just a bummer it was just him and none of us were there either.
[09:49] <Unit193> Howdy.
[09:51] <dholbach> ah ok :-)
[09:51] <Unit193> Though you guys might look just as scary in the morning as knome. ;)
[12:00] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'll see if I can get a good look at that this weekend
[12:02] <bluesabre> flocculant: can you kick the tires on https://launchpad.net/~catfish-search/+archive/ubuntu/ppa catfish-daily? I'll probably go ahead and push out 1.4.0 this weekend if things seem to check out
[12:02] <bluesabre> and work on the greeter, see what I can fix
[12:02] <bluesabre> it's one of the worst kinds of bugs, everything is working until it stops
[12:02] <bluesabre> :D
[12:56] <flocculant> Unit193: hah - no-one scares me :p
[12:57] <flocculant> bluesabre: anything in particular this catfish fixes? or just have at it
[12:58] <flocculant> and yes I understand that with the bug ...
[12:59] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll have a see at catfish when I'm really home later - I'm away from early tomorrow till Monday/Tuesday after that
[13:00] <flocculant> Unit193: and yea - was ok - other than Daniel and Michael :p
[14:51] <slickymasterWork> !team | Meeting in ten minutes
[14:56]  * dkessel will be on the road during the meeting
[15:00] <slickymasterWork> #startmeeting
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Feb  5 15:00:01 2016 UTC.  The chair is slickymasterWork. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:00] <slickymasterWork> Welcome all to the Xubuntu community meeting.  The agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[15:00] <slickymasterWork> So, who's here for the meeting?
[15:01]  * micahg is here
[15:01] <slickymasterWork> welcome micahg :)
[15:01] <slickymasterWork> anyone else?
[15:01] <jfaust> jfaust is here.  first meeting for me
[15:02] <slickymasterWork> welcome jfaust :)
[15:02] <jfaust> thanks!
[15:04] <slickymasterWork> unfortunately it seems that we won't have quorum to proceed with the meeting
[15:04] <slickymasterWork> there's just me and micahg here, from team
[15:04] <slickymasterWork> unless any other members show up
[15:05] <jfaust> I'm curious about the process.  Planned to just observe (and contribute if I could).  Happy to hang out for awhile and wait for others.
[15:06] <slickymasterWork> I'll give it another 10 minutes to see if anyone shows up
[15:07] <slickymasterWork> if not I'll reschedule it
[15:08] <slickymasterWork> ?
[15:08] <slickymasterWork> but as long as you're here now jfaust, did you already have a read at http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/
[15:09] <slickymasterWork> it's a good starting point for you
[15:10] <jfaust> Yes, I have read (most of) the contributor information.  Trying to test 16.04 now
[15:11] <slickymasterWork> great
[15:13] <jfaust> unfortunately I missed the recent meeting about testing. still not 100% how best to focus my efforts...
[15:14] <slickymasterWork> jfaust, here is the backlog of that meeting -> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/31/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t16:00
[15:15] <jfaust> oh, that's great!  Will definitely check it out.  Thanks!
[15:15] <slickymasterWork> sure jfaust, no problem
[15:16] <slickymasterWork> #info due to the lack of quorum the meeting is postponed and slickymaster will reschedule it
[15:17] <slickymasterWork> #action slickymaster to reschedule next Xubuntu Community Meeting
[15:17] <meetingology> ACTION: slickymaster to reschedule next Xubuntu Community Meeting
[15:18] <slickymasterWork> #endmeeting
[15:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Feb  5 15:18:00 2016 UTC.
[15:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-02-05-15.00.moin.txt
[15:18] <slickymasterWork> thanks micahg and jfaust for showing up
[15:19] <jfaust> slickymaster, thanks for your help!  Will try to attend the next meeting.
[15:20] <slickymasterWork> are yo subscribed to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, jfaust?
[15:20] <slickymasterWork> if not, I advise to subscribe it
[15:20] <slickymasterWork> + you
[15:21] <jfaust> Yes, I am subscribed to the mailing list.  Hope to transition from a lurker to a contributor :)
[15:27] <slickymasterWork> you're more than welcome jfaust
[15:34] <slickymasterWork> Minutes are up
[16:57] <flocculant> jfaust: basically - the question I have is - What position are you in to test? hardware? virtual? the dev version? the released stable version only?
[17:00] <jfaust> hi flocculant.  I have a daily build (~1 week old) running in a virtual machine.  Just trying sotware and settings that I typically use.  I have a lot of thunar crashes in 15.10. haven't tried reproducing them in 16.04
[17:02] <flocculant> jfaust: ok
[17:02] <jfaust> flocculant: build is actually 3 weeks old.
[17:02] <flocculant> let me gather my thoughts while the kettle boils
[17:07] <flocculant> jfaust: ok so - in vm you could check the latest thunar and try reproducing - add this ppa
[17:07] <flocculant> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging?field.series_filter=xenial
[17:07] <flocculant> make sure you're updated first though
[17:07] <slickymasterWork> hey flocculant
[17:07] <slickymasterWork> :P
[17:07] <flocculant> then update/upgrade should drag the new thunar and power manager in
[17:08] <flocculant> power manager changes won't be apparent in vm
[17:08] <flocculant> xenial is pretty stable atm - unless you're mad enough to use the proposed repos
[17:08] <flocculant> perhaps consider a dual boot
[17:09] <flocculant> I do that - data is in other partitions
[17:09] <flocculant> testing of the ppa thunar is important currently
[17:09] <flocculant> hi slickymasterWork :)
[17:09] <flocculant> jfaust: did you see http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/ ?
[17:10] <flocculant> there are 3 qa sections there
[17:10] <slickymasterWork> flocculant, did you read the backlog yet?
[17:10] <flocculant> yep
[17:10] <slickymasterWork> ok
[17:10] <flocculant> knew there was meeting - knew I'd be driving :)
[17:11] <slickymasterWork> I'll reschedule it during the weekend
[17:11] <slickymasterWork> you won't be around, I know ;)
[17:12] <flocculant> :D
[17:12] <jfaust> flocculant: upgrading now, will take a while :) i have read the contributor info., but still a little unsure about where to start.  will check it out again
[17:13] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: not back till monday/tuesday but no work next week at all
[17:13] <flocculant> jfaust: right
[17:13] <flocculant> jfaust: tbh if you can the best place to start is run a dual boot. Then use the xenial one all the time - then fall back if something breaks
[17:13] <slickymasterWork> you lucky you, flocculant
[17:13] <slickymasterWork> :P
[17:14] <flocculant> jfaust: I've had little to write home about since cycle start tbh
[17:14] <jfaust> flocculant: I will focus on thunar.  The crashes in 15.10 are not reproducible for me.  Mostly when renaming files or moving into subfolders.
[17:14] <jfaust> I will consider a dual boot.  definitely see the benefit of running 16 as primary
[17:15] <flocculant> jfaust: finally - being around on IRC and seeing what's current - and checking those things is useful to us hugely
[17:15] <flocculant> jfaust: ok - that'd be really helpful indeed - I'm sure there are people who do so - but we rarely get any feedback
[17:16] <jfaust> flocculant:  sounds good.  still new to IRC.  forgive me lapses in etiquette :)
[17:16] <flocculant> oh and also - nothing to stop you running through the priority and mandatory testcases on http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/350/builds/105268/testcases
[17:17] <flocculant> jfaust: :) basically enough - assuming you want people to treat you well - treat them the same and you'll be fine :D
[17:18] <flocculant> jfaust: aah cool - I see you on the testers team, when you say you're subscribed to mailing list - do you mean the dev one? that'd be the one to be using
[17:18] <jfaust> flocculant: sounds great!  thanks for pointing out the testcases.  i think that's what i've been looking for.
[17:19] <flocculant> they are a good way to break yourself into testing
[17:19] <jfaust> flocullant: i am on the dev mailing list also
[17:20] <flocculant> but what we call exploratory testing is much better - and just a fancy name for 'installing and using the dev release on hardware normally' :)
[17:20] <flocculant> jfaust: k - the testers/dev list is where 99% of the qa focus is
[17:21] <flocculant> and finally finally - if you do have questions - anyone should be able to help you somehow - even if pointing you to who to ask
[17:22] <flocculant> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-qa/+members#active should be the best bets
[17:22] <flocculant> their IRC names are on their LP pages - mine is the same there as here :)
[17:23] <flocculant> sigh
[17:23] <flocculant> so really I shouldn't say finally till the night arrives ...
[17:23] <jfaust> flocculant: ok, my plan will be to knock out the test cases first and then do more exploration.  thank you so much for all the help! I need to unplug now.  bye
[17:24] <flocculant> jfaust: thanks for the interest :)
[21:32] <ochosi> evening all
[22:04] <flocculant> hi ochosi if you're still with us :)
[22:06] <slickymaster> o/
[22:21] <ochosi> hey flocculant
[22:22] <ochosi> slickymaster: sorry i couldn't make it for the meeting
[22:22] <flocculant> hey ochosi :)
[22:22] <slickymaster> no problem
[22:22] <ochosi> flocculant: i saw some of the backlog, havent had time yet for all of it
[22:22] <slickymaster> no one did :P
[22:22] <ochosi> so in case you wanna give me a quick summary, that wouldn't make me angry ;)
[22:23] <slickymaster> I'll reschedule for next week, ochosi
[22:23] <ochosi> slickymaster: thanks!
[22:23] <flocculant> ochosi: might want to read http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/02/04/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t17:41
[22:23] <slickymaster> sure
[22:24] <flocculant> ochosi: not much in backlog here afaik
[22:24] <flocculant> I did CC meeting - brought up usc/g-s, fonts and core
[22:25] <flocculant> other than that - just said we were all cool as cucumbers (as always) and knew where the CC was
[22:25]  * slickymaster likes cucumber
[22:25] <slickymaster> in salads
[22:27]  * flocculant realises that ochosi would know that if he goes to the log first :p
[22:29] <flocculant> ochosi: not sure if you'll see this in backlog - I'm away till Monday/Tuesday
[22:30] <ochosi> k
[22:30] <ochosi> read the backlog now
[22:30] <flocculant> :)
[22:31] <ochosi> thanks for bringing up our issues
[22:31] <ochosi> good to know we can keep using droid
[22:31] <ochosi> the alternatives are okayish, but not exactly thrilling
[22:31] <flocculant> yea for sure
[22:32] <flocculant> I'm not in the least arty but I wasn't thrilled
[22:32] <ochosi> and about the -core issue, i'm not sure i got the gist of that
[22:33] <ochosi> hey knome
[22:33] <knome> hey ochosi
[22:34] <flocculant> ochosi: I was mostly interested from qa pov there tbh - if it's too late - it can be finished, but I'll not be signing it off untested
[23:50] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:52] <slickymaster> hey bluesabre
[23:53] <knome> 'lo
[23:54] <bluesabre> hey slickymaster


[00:56] <Konqi> Client: IRCA 2.16.4 • OS: ROSA Fresh Desktop 12.4 release 2021.1 for x86_64 • CPU: 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-12450H (689MHz) • Memory: Physical: 15,0 ГиБ Total (14,1 ГиБ Free) Swap: 7,5 ГиБ Total (7,5 ГиБ Free) • Storage: 65,3 ГБ / 483,0 ГБ (417,6 ГБ Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Alder Lake-P GT1 [UHD Graphics] @ Intel Corporation 12th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers
[00:56] <Konqi> • Uptime: 1m 4s
[00:56] <Konqi> 4000$
[00:59] <Konqi> نعنع
[00:59] <Konqi> kubec.I-lulu.sip
[01:07] <oerheks> stop that spam, rosa is not kubuntu
[01:07] <oerheks> !ot > Konqi
[01:56] <Konqi> Client: IRCA 2.16.4 • OS: ROSA Fresh Desktop 12.4 release 2021.1 for x86_64 • CPU: 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-12450H (400MHz) • Memory: Physical: 15,0 ГиБ Total (14,0 ГиБ Free) Swap: 7,5 ГиБ Total (7,5 ГиБ Free) • Storage: 65,9 ГБ / 483,0 ГБ (417,0 ГБ Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Alder Lake-P GT1 [UHD Graphics] @ Intel Corporation 12th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers
[01:56] <Konqi> • Uptime: 2m 31s
[02:26] <Konqi> wget http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/39/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-39-1.5.iso
[06:09] <Konqi> yes | cp -r /usr/bin/* /bin/
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[18:15] <iomari891> greetings, AFter my last update and reboot, all my desktops in plasma are black. I can move my cursor and cairodock shows but the plasma panel dock is not there and right clicking on black desktop does nothing. Any ideas what might be wrong?
[20:14] <anri> hi
[20:14] <anri> anyone here?
[20:28] <Guest550> yo
[20:28] <anri> yyooooo!
[20:28] <Guest550> hi
[20:28] <anri> whats up
[22:04] <Spring> Is there any proper way to disable the Ctrl+Alt+F4 hotkey that exits the desktop environment?
[22:04] <Spring> (if not is there a way to regain the DE after being triggered?)
[22:25] <Dragnslcr> Spring- should Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get back to the desktop
[22:27] <Spring> Dragnslcr, hmm, doesn't do anything.
[22:28] <Dragnslcr> Try the other virtual consoles, F1-F7
[22:28] <Dragnslcr> Google says you can disable the hotkeys to switch virtual terminals - https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/34164
[22:28] <Spring> Ah, F1 did it. Thanks.
[22:29] <Dragnslcr> I'd be cautious about doing it, though, since it can be really useful having access to a console if something goes wrong with your desktop
[22:31] <cbreak> newer ubuntu seem to put the GUI on F2, older ones had it on F1 I think
[22:31] <Spring> if the hotkey weren't so similar to Alt+F4 it'd be better since I sometimes accidentally trigger it due to the key placement
[22:34] <cbreak> there are worse things to press, like alt-printscreen-b (after some preparation :))
[23:43] <mybalzitch> alt-sysrq-ssssub
[23:43] <mybalzitch> err scroll lock?
[23:45] <mybalzitch> nvm
[23:57] <eatyourglory> Do we need to do anything about this new vulnerability?


[02:52] <DanaG> hah: the Heron pic is named "elephant"
[08:52] <DanaG> /part #ubuntu-artwork Ooh, that thing has numbers on it.
[08:52] <DanaG> /part #ubuntu-artwork Ooh, that thing has numbers on it.
[08:52] <DanaG> what the heck?
[08:52] <DanaG> /part #ubuntu-artwork Ooh, that thing has numbers on it.
[08:52] <DanaG> /part #ubuntu-artwork Ooh, that thing has numbers on it.
[23:34] <xivulon> hi all, was thinking of revamping ubuntu-installer.org with some artwork
[23:34] <xivulon> for the 8.04 launch. if any of you wants to help please let me know
[23:35] <xivulon> xivulon on gmail
[23:36] <xivulon> hmm need more coffee: http://wubi-installer.org


[23:34] <haroldv> My ubuntu is very slow to load
[23:35] <tomreyn> was it faster previously, or is it a new install? if it was faster before, what changed in between?
[23:36] <jbase> I'll go get an apple while its installing :)
[23:37] <haroldv> I execute this command "sudo systemd-analyze blame
[23:37] <haroldv> "
[23:38] <haroldv> How can I show the result ? because I don't remember the command
[23:39] <haroldv> Hi
[23:40] <haroldv>  31.291s dev-sda2.device
[23:40] <haroldv>          29.200s systemd-journal-flush.service
[23:40] <haroldv>          18.721s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[23:40] <haroldv>          17.483s dev-loop43.device
[23:40] <haroldv>          17.483s dev-loop46.device
[23:40] <haroldv>          17.481s dev-loop47.device
[23:40] <tomreyn> !paste | haroldv
[23:41] <haroldv>          13.018s dev-loop22.device
[23:41] <haroldv>          12.876s dev-loop14.device
[23:41] <haroldv>          12.780s dev-loop24.device
[23:41] <haroldv>          12.771s dev-loop21.device
[23:41] <haroldv>          12.756s dev-loop23.device
[23:41] <jbase> tomreyn: its working now, thank you very much for your help! :)
[23:41] <tomreyn> jbase: you're welcome
[23:42] <jbase> I was tempted to do a fresh install, but I knew I had to nail it, now I've learned something useful! I just love linux and love to learn new stuff. :)
[23:42] <tomreyn> jbase: you have pending security updates, be sure to install them soon and reboot, if needed.
[23:43] <jbase> tomreyn, you mean the IRC client?
[23:43] <tomreyn> kernel updates
[23:44] <tomreyn> $ rmadison linux-image-generic -s xenial-updates
[23:44] <tomreyn>  linux-image-generic | <IP_ADDRESS>.156 | xenial-updates | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, s390x
[23:44] <jbase> oh, ok