[00:04] <Arcorann_> There are timers you can plug the power cable into, though I guess those might be easier to disable than hiding the charger
[06:19] <john86> i heard lubuntu changed the underlying system
[06:20] <john86> what is happening to PCManFM?
[06:29] <john86> Well, I found it out myself: seems it has been superseded by PCManFM-Qt, which is used on 18.10 and later.
[06:29] <john86> Yeah, I am running behind...
[06:30] <john86> ~$ cat /etc/issueUbuntu 18.04.5 LTS \n \l
[06:30] <john86> Apart from some freezing problems, I really really love PCManFM.
[06:30] <john86> Hope I will get the same, or better experience with PCManFM-Qt.
[06:31] <john86> Guys responsible for this software....KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !!!
[06:44] <guiverc> john86, GTK2 is dead (used only by gimp which hasn't completed port to GTK3 yet) Pcman the creator of `pcmanfm` ported it to GTK3 and blogged about slowness/heaviness; it was then re-ported to Qt meaning pcmanfm-qt is where development now is. LXDE devs joined with RazorQt creating new LXQt project
[06:45] <guiverc> the LXQt work isn't really new, they started years ago, Lubuntu's last four releases have used LXQt
[06:47] <sublim20> hey all, im running lubuntu, and im trying to install mono.  on the webpage of mono, it indicates two different install methods.  one for ubuntu, and another for debian.  which should i use?
[06:47] <sublim20> https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin
[06:51] <guiverc> sublim20, Lubuntu is a Ubuntu flavor, so the Ubuntu method
[06:52] <sublim20> guiverc, thank you.  i thought so, but wanted to check
[06:52] <guiverc> Lubuntu is an official flavor, so you're welcome to use #ubuntu here (the base of Lubuntu, Ubuntu and other flavors are all identical; the desktop on top of Ubuntu base is the difference).  You're welcome
[06:53] <sublim20> guiverc, what do you mean by 'flavor'?
[06:53] <guiverc> Look up ubuntu.com yourself, ie. https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[06:53] <sublim20> heh.  thanks for the response guiverc.
[06:54] <sublim20> *feels dumb for asking now* :p
[06:55] <guiverc> not a problem, better to ask than be unsure or in the dark (even if just potentially)
[06:56] <guiverc> If you download a flavor ISO, it'll be from ubuntu.com (a dead giveaway if using a fake, they'll download from elsewhere)
[06:56] <guiverc> (in case you're confused; if you go to lubuntu.me to download an iso, you select, then download comes from cdimage.ubuntu.com as all Ubuntu flavors do)
[07:48] <murlidhar> ok should i install the alternate or the desktop ... am using core 2 duo processor . its a 2009 pc.
[07:55] <tomreyn> murlidhar: if you want 20.04, i thinkt here's just the desktop available.
[07:55] <tomreyn> how much ram do you have, if you know?
[07:57] <murlidhar> tomreyn:hi. no idea how much ram i have
[07:57] <murlidhar> tomreyn:i dont mind installing an earlier version.
[07:57] <tomreyn> it should say in the bios
[07:58] <murlidhar> can i not find using any terminal command?
[07:59] <tomreyn> sure: free -g
[07:59] <murlidhar> tomreyn: everything is zero here
[07:59] <tomreyn> "total" "Mem" is installed ram
[08:00] <tomreyn> hmm, just    free -h
[08:00] <murlidhar> 1.9
[08:00] <tomreyn> that is... not much
[08:01] <murlidhar> old pc   2009
[08:01] <tomreyn> yes, sure. i'm just meaning to dicourage you from running a desktop and multi-tab web browser there
[08:02] <murlidhar> i dont' use the desktop much. now i just want to edit pics in rawtherapee app .
[08:03] <murlidhar> not sure if upgrading the ram will help, dont want to put money on my desktop to upgrade. looking for a cheaper solution.
[08:03] <tomreyn> hmm, you can try. i haven't used it but assume a raw image editor could use much ram
[08:04] <murlidhar> currently i am using lubuntu n it is much easier to run than say ubuntu
[08:04] <tomreyn> maybe you can get some ram for free or really cheap pre-owned?
[08:05] <tomreyn> if you can afford to, start saving for a new computer, though, since those core 2 are old, draw good amounts of power.
[08:05] <murlidhar> yeah i will try but dont want to give up before trying to upgrade my lubuntu ... its an old version and i am not able to upgrade it.
[08:06] <tomreyn> is there an error message?
[08:06] <murlidhar> yes
[08:06] <tomreyn> do you want help with it?
[08:06] <murlidhar> sudo apt-get upgrade gives errors
[08:07] <murlidhar> not able to install any app either. it is giving me errors. like if i do sudo apt-get install rawtherapee it gives me errors
 Switching to Qt version of Lubuntu requires clean install, there is no in-place upgrade. … Remember to backup your data!
[08:08] <tomreyn> can't help you with out seeing those error messages
[08:08] <tomreyn> oh right, no in-place upgrade for some lubuntu releases
[08:08] <murlidhar> ok let me pastebin it. ... where do u think i should pastebin ? i dont remember those websites where we could pastebin it
[08:12] <kc2bez> !paste
[08:12] <murlidhar> tomreyn:https://pastebin.pl/view/e152fce4
[08:12] <murlidhar> kc2bez:thanks. i googled it :)
[08:13] <tomreyn> murlidhar: so what are you running now? lsb_release -ds
[08:14] <tomreyn> the problem seems to be with teh discord package, not rawtherapee
[08:15] <murlidhar> says ubuntu 19.04
[08:15] <murlidhar> but it is running lubuntu
[08:21] <tomreyn> murlidhar: uh that's been eol for a while
[08:21] <tomreyn> !19.04
[08:23] <tomreyn> i think you'll need to do the fresh install first of all
[08:24] <tomreyn> if you intend to keep using 19.04 a little more before you do, with its outdated and insecure software, you can use "sudo dpkg --purge discord" to try and get rid of the problematic package.
[09:00] <murlidhar> tomreyn:yes thats why i was asking if i need to install alternative or desktop version
[09:47] <john86> @guiverc Thanks for your answer. I've been testing 20.04 now in a virtual box. PCManFM-Qt looks great there. One of these days I will promote my desktop system top 20.04.
[09:47] <john86> Lubuntu that is :-)
[10:13] <Olympos> Dear Sirs, until yesterday I used Lubuntu 18 version with the capacity to shift languages from English to Greek and vice versa with a simple click on a  relevant icon (flagged) on my screen but now with the installed Lubuntu 20 version the icon is gone and I cannot write a message in Greek. What can I do to restore this language shift capability?y
[10:13] <Olympos> screen
[10:15] <LimeOn> Hello, you want to "see" your programs in greek or just "write" with the specific chracters of the greek language?
[10:18] <Olympos> I only want to also use the Greek characters in my e-mails to Greeks with a simple click on a screen icon as before.
[10:18] <LimeOn> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.8/keyboard_and_mouse.html
[10:18] <LimeOn> check the tab "keyboard and layout"
[10:18] <LimeOn> you can add greek as a secondary layout and switch between with a key(that you can select)
[10:20] <Olympos> Thank you very much for your help! I will follow your instructions!
[10:30] <LimeOn> If that does not work, there's algo another application called fcitx
[10:30] <LimeOn> also*
[10:32] <Olympos> Unfortunately, it did not work!
[10:33] <LimeOn> i found that the 1st option toggle key didnt worked for me either
[10:33] <LimeOn> with that you should change them with that window i think
[10:33] <LimeOn> try fcitx, i managed to press the "toggle keys" and write a character with the other layout
[10:36] <Olympos> Why shifting languages in the key board with the latest Lubuntu version is now impossible?
[10:40] <LimeOn> i have no idea of that, i just knew where the option was :)
[10:40] <Olympos> What can I do now?
[10:41] <Olympos> If you want to write an e-mail in Greek what will you do?
[10:42] <LimeOn> you can switch them ammnually
[10:42] <LimeOn> manually*
[10:42] <LimeOn> entering in keyboard and mouse> keyboard layout
[10:42] <Olympos> How? I am not an expert in computers!
[10:43] <LimeOn> is just write in the menu "keyboard and mouse"
[10:43] <LimeOn> open the icon with that name
[10:43] <LimeOn> now in the window that appears, there's a "big button" called "keyboard layout"
[10:44] <LimeOn> you choose that one and you will see that you have some buttons, called "add","up","down"
[10:45] <LimeOn> if you press the one that says "add" a new tab will appear and you can choose greek there
[10:45] <LimeOn> then you will see the different greek layouts supported
[10:46] <LimeOn> you choose the one you want(or try add one and check if that is the one you want)
[10:46] <Olympos> In the menu "keyboard and mouse" there is no layout for any languages!
[10:47] <Olympos> I cannot see in my menu what you describe!
[10:47] <LimeOn> you dont see the icon called "keyboard and mouse" in your menu?
[10:48] <LimeOn> or you dont see the option to add the layout?
[10:48] <Olympos> Are you on TeamViewer?
[10:48] <LimeOn> nope
[10:49] <Olympos> I do not see the option to add the layout!
[10:49] <LimeOn> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.8/keyboard_and_mouse.html
[10:49] <LimeOn> check in the linkthe 4th image
[10:50] <LimeOn> that is what you should see
[10:51] <LimeOn> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/_images/keyboardlayout.png (this is the image)
[10:53] <Olympos> I do not see what is described in the link. How can I get there? Do you go there via the preferences menu or in another way?
[10:55] <LimeOn> Olympos: you need to open the menu bar(the one with the bird) and where says "search"(just above the icon) you put "keyboard and mouse"
[10:56] <LimeOn> you will see only one result, the icon of the app is a keyboard
[11:00] <Olympos> what I see there is quite different from what I see in the link on the subject! The only option I am given is to type something on a  window
[11:01] <LimeOn> can you share a image of it?
[11:01] <Olympos> What I see is the exactly same with what I see going there via the preferences menu!
[11:02] <LimeOn> you can also acces to the app via preferences>lxqt settings>keyboard and mouse
[11:02] <Olympos> How can I make you see what I see in my screen on the subject?
[11:03] <LimeOn> i think that you have in your keyboard a key called prnt screen or print
[11:03] <LimeOn> if you press that one you take a picture of your screen
[11:06] <Olympos> I did press that  print key! What is next to do? Did you get a photo of my screen?
[11:07] <LimeOn> you will see the photo in a new window
[11:07] <LimeOn> and you must save it somewhere in the computer
[11:09] <Olympos> I saved it!
[11:09] <LimeOn> nice
[11:09] <Olympos> What next?
[11:09] <LimeOn> you should upload it now
[11:09] <LimeOn> https://imgur.com/upload i think that here you can upload it without registration
[11:10] <LimeOn> simply by drag the photo there
[11:14] <Olympos> Did you get it?
[11:14] <LimeOn> you need to share the link
[11:15] <LimeOn> after upload the photo they will give you a link
[11:16] <LimeOn> to do so, after the message "upload complete" you should make a right click on the image and choose "copy image location"
[14:41] <simbol-ae> hello
[14:42] <akem> Hi.
[17:13] <Olympos> At last, I found what we were looking for but the system did not follow my instructions because of the Fcitx Input Method !!! In conclusion, the Lubuntu 20 version must be updated with the option to shift languages on the keyboard with a simple click or touch on a certain pair of keys like Alt+Shift
[17:17] <Olympos> Any other suggestions for shifting languages on the keyboard with mouse?
[17:20] <Olympos> Will  Lubuntu 20 allow the use of an additional language on the keyboard with mouse, as Lubuntu 18 version?
[17:33] <LimeOn> you solved the problem?
[17:33] <LimeOn> any other input system will overwrite the toggle key of the keyboard and mouse app
[17:41] <LimeOn> Olympos: i found the way
[17:41] <LimeOn> by deafult, an app called iBus is whom defines the keys to change the languages
[17:41] <LimeOn> i managed to change from arab to english with shit+space for example
[17:42] <LimeOn> شس غخع ؤشى سثث
[17:42] <LimeOn> as you can see
[17:44] <LimeOn> You need to open iBus app(you can find it in the search bar of the menu)
[18:10] <Olympos> I did not see iBus on the menu!
[18:11] <Olympos> How can I find iBus app?
[18:15] <LimeOn> In the search part
[18:15] <LimeOn> above the bird menu button
[18:16] <LimeOn> you will see a result called "iBus preferences"
[18:17] <Olympos> Should I write something there in the empty space?
[18:52] <Olympos> Hello!


[04:58] <infinity> jbailey : You'd complain about 700 USD a month?
[04:58] <infinity> jbailey : I pay about 1250 AUD per month in Melbourne.
[04:59] <dilinger> jbailey: my rent is double that :/
[04:59] <infinity> jbailey : Which is a LOT more than 700 USD.
[05:18] <zul> heh my mortagage is more than that :)
[05:31] <fabbione> morning
[05:31] <zul> hey
[05:34] <fabbione> hey zul
[05:34] <zul> how is it going?
[05:34] <fabbione> dunno... just woke up
[01:09] <jbailey> infinity: In a neighbourhood that I moved out of because there was a shooting?  Yes, the price is higher than I'd like to pay.
[01:18] <fabbione> jbailey morning
[01:18] <jbailey> Heya Fabio
[01:22] <fabbione> hmm i have the feeling that .12 is slightly slowest on disk I/O
[02:01] <fabbione> zul: nice changes in the kernel dude.. but i would love if you can cover a bit more than i386....
[02:02] <fabbione> can you give me the basic infrastructure to add -dbg for amd64 and possibly the other arches?
[02:02] <fabbione> (skip ppc for now since we need to make the ppc -> ppc64 transition first)
[03:21] <zul> hey
[03:32] <zul> fabbione: i dont have an amd64 to test...so im not sure kdb will work on amd64
[03:32] <zul> but i can do a config for 1,3 though
[03:32] <fabbione> zul: just prepare what you think is right
[03:32] <zul> ok
[03:32] <fabbione> also for ia64/sparc/hppa
[03:32] <fabbione> we will get people to test them later
[03:33] <fabbione> but if they are not there, it will take too long to explain them the process
[03:33] <zul> okie dokie..
[03:33] <zul> for 1,2 or 1,3?
[03:33] <fabbione> 1.3
[03:33] <zul> morning btw ok
[03:33] <fabbione> i might need to get 1.2 out pretty soon
[04:08] <zul> possible free laptop...hell ya ill join :)
[04:20] <zul> lol...wallace and grommit
[07:38] <zul> fabbione: see this? http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-May/007830.html
[07:39] <zul> im thinking no..
[10:00] (zul/#ubuntu-kernel) i can probably throw up a debug kernel for you later tonight on my website
[10:00] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-kernel) yes please.
[10:00] (fabbione/#ubuntu-kernel) acx sucks..
[10:01] (fabbione/#ubuntu-kernel) you can problably enable the debugging for that driver
[10:01] <Mithrandir> I know that acx sucks.  That's even more of a reason to have that card.


[13:31] <LinDol> hi all
[13:31] <LinDol> :)
[14:17] <LinDol> have a good night :)
[14:17] <LinDol> bye see again.
[18:53] <octoquad> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1405441
[18:53] <octoquad> quite a few of these around, however I can reproduce this consistently.
[20:45] <darkxst> octoquad, any reports of it happening without gksudo?
[21:05] <darkxst> also I can't reproduce here, your using vivid?
[21:17] <octoquad> yes
[21:17] <octoquad> sorry, I tested in 14.04.1 VM
[21:17] <octoquad> but on vivid
[21:18] <octoquad> it also happens with sudo
[21:19] <darkxst> I can't reproduce on vivid
[21:20] <octoquad> I haven't tried vivid only trusty
[21:20] <darkxst> so It is probably fixed in 3.14
[21:20] <octoquad> ok, let me check as well
[21:20] <darkxst> maybe https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=f7d1394a03e6d02cd5c67f9c85a142e33f14566f
[21:21] <darkxst> its crashing generating the user list for owner combo box, though the trace was missing glib symbols so I can't see more
[21:22] <octoquad> Ok, so what happens with this bug report? New process for me to learn :)
[21:22] <darkxst> well you want to fix it?
[21:23] <octoquad> absolutely!
[21:23] <octoquad> :)
[21:23] <darkxst> you could try build nautilus with the above patch
[21:25] <octoquad> ok, wow, awesome. Going to need some resources though, I have no idea where to start
[21:25] <darkxst> do you know how to build a debian package?
[21:26] <octoquad> I've read a few pages on the wiki, debbuild right?
[21:27] <octoquad> confirmed, not present in vivid
[21:28] <octoquad> as well the other bug I found which crashes nautilus if a folder is not owned by root
[21:28] <darkxst> debuild -S (to build the source package)
[21:29] <darkxst> there are numerous ways to build binary packages sbuild is probably the best
[21:29] <octoquad> ok
[21:30] <darkxst> no idea if that is documented anywhere, but it is detailed here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-October/037726.html
[21:31] <darkxst> anyway to create a patch you put the patch in a file in debian/patches/ and add the filename to debian/patches/series
[21:31] <darkxst> then use quilt push <filename> to check that it applies
[21:32] <darkxst> then add a new changelog entry using 'dch -i'
[21:33] <darkxst> build source with 'debuild -S'
[21:33] <darkxst> build binaries with sbuild
[21:35] <octoquad> hmm, ok, from what I read and my understanding, i don't have to have this running in the target release, I can use vivid for example and do this.
[21:35] <octoquad> correct?
[21:35] <Noskcaj> darkxst, If you have the time, could you refresh revert_media-keys_fix_battery_key.patch for g-s-d 3.15.1
[21:35] <octoquad> hey Noskcaj
[21:36] <darkxst> octoquad, yes you can have trusty sbuild chroot on your vivid
[21:36] <octoquad> sweet!
[21:36] <Noskcaj_> hey octoquad
[21:36] <octoquad> It's pretty late my side, but I'm going to see how far I get
[21:38] <Noskcaj_> Just a tip that took me a long time to learn , you need a blank newline at the end of debian/patches/series for it to work properly
[21:39] <octoquad> thanks, I have ensure newline option enabled in sublime text for EOF.
[21:41] <octoquad> darkxst, thanks for giving me a shot at this! This is one of the main reasons I joined the team, to hopefully help out with bug fixes and packaging
[21:42] <octoquad> btw, I just installed fedora to test that bug, I really like the idea that they open Gnome help when you first login.
[21:44] <darkxst> octoquad, getting started guide?
[21:44] <octoquad> yes
[21:44] <darkxst> I wanted to include that, but its 100MB!
[21:44] <octoquad> yowza!
[21:44] <octoquad> probably because of the videos
[21:44] <darkxst> and translated videos as well
[21:44] <octoquad> whoa, but that's really cool
[21:45] <octoquad> I'm not sure if we should go to the polls for that one
[21:45] <octoquad> haah
[21:45] <octoquad> *haha
[21:46] <octoquad> might be interesting to see if the community thinks it's a good idea. It comes in handy when you are passing on Ubuntu Gnome to a friend and they are trying it out for the first time, or new to linux.
[21:46] <darkxst> octoquad, we won't fit it on the image!
[21:48] <octoquad> is that a response due to time or file size limit for ISO?
[21:48] <darkxst> size limit for ISO
[21:49] <octoquad> yeah it's a bug lol
[21:49] <octoquad> glad to see the daily images are up again, should I send a call out to QA for testing for the upcoming alpha 2 milestone this week?
[21:49] <darkxst> we have a limit of 1GB so people can use 1GB USB keys
[21:49] <octoquad> nice, didn't know that.
[21:50] <darkxst> and currently images are at about 1GB which is not ideal
[21:52] <darkxst> octoquad, core3.14 update is still stuck in proposed I think
[21:53] <octoquad> oh ok, I have seen some gnome related updates in the last few days, but they came from main
[21:53] <darkxst> octoquad, some things got through
[21:53] <darkxst> but others got stuck behind libical transtition
[21:56] <octoquad> quick question, I'm trying to run sbuild --dist=trusty --arch=amd64 -c trusty-proposed+restricted-amd64-sbuild <dsc>
[21:56] <octoquad> but get zsh: parse error near `\n'
[21:56] <octoquad> and bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[21:58] <octoquad> or is <dsc> a placeholder for a description?
[21:59] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I'm sure I dropped that patch previously?
[22:01] <octoquad> brb
[22:09] <darkxst> Noskcaj, actually that should have been dropped with the upower transition I suspect, so do drop it
[22:10] <darkxst> octoquad, it is a file
[22:11] <darkxst> with .dsc extension
[22:11] <darkxst> it is created when you run debuild -S
[22:13] <darkxst> Noskcaj, so it should also be dropped in vivid
[22:20] <octoquad> thanks darkxst, busy reading the sbuild guide on debian wiki
[22:21] <octoquad> where do obtain these *.dsc files though for ubuntu based packages?
[22:21] <octoquad> I see you can also grab a package via repositories so trying that at the momen
[22:21] <octoquad> t
[22:22] <darkxst> octoquad, pull-lp-source nautilus trusty
[22:23] <octoquad> nice :)
[22:24] <darkxst> though once you have modified the packaging you need to generate them with 'debuild -S'
[22:24] <darkxst> which may fail if you don't have a gpg key setup
[22:24] <octoquad> I do have one setup in launchpad
[22:25] <darkxst> octoquad, locally
[22:25] <octoquad> ah
[22:26] <darkxst> as long as your local gpg can find it and email matches what you use in debian/changelog it should work
[22:27] <octoquad> is there anyway to use apt-cacher inside a sbuild-chroot?
[22:27] <darkxst> octoquad, it will automatically use apt-cacher-ng
[22:28] <octoquad> and this is why I love linux :)
[22:29] <darkxst> it also use tmpfs, so provided you have enough RAM, the build will happen all in RAM
[22:29] <octoquad> lovely, I have 8GB
[22:30] <Noskcaj> I should set my gaming PC up with a VM. it's got 16
[22:30] <octoquad> nice
[22:31] <octoquad> Noskcaj, what games do you play?
[22:31] <Noskcaj> DotA (1100 hours), a bit of borderlands and cs: go
[22:32] <Noskcaj> Do you play much of anything?
[22:32] <octoquad> nice, got given stick playing dota a while back, everyone was so upset with me (super noob in the house)
[22:32] <Noskcaj> :)
[22:32] <darkxst> octoquad, but really the real advantage of sbuild is it give a build exactly the same as the official archvie builders
[22:33] <Noskcaj> octoquad, We should play some time
[22:33] <octoquad> yeah I do, I play alot of BF3 at the mo, just started just cause 2, dead island: epidemic etc
[22:33] <octoquad> old skool gamer, quake days :) doom, heretic, duke nukem etc
[22:33] <octoquad> haha
[22:34] <octoquad> really like warcraft, warhammer 40,000 etc
[22:34] <Noskcaj> back when duke nukem was good
[22:34] <octoquad> yeah
[22:34] <octoquad> falutza on steam, add me
[22:35] <octoquad> darkxst, so would this be as close to the build systems that canonical use?
[22:35] <darkxst> octoquad, yes
[22:35] <octoquad> Noskcaj, sure, only play on weekends
[22:36] <octoquad> darkxst, very cool, I like this...
[22:36] <Noskcaj> The we'll have to play some time in a few weeks, since i'll be away 10th-24th with no internet
[22:36] <Noskcaj> Have a air force cadets promotion course to go to
[22:37] <octoquad> ...I had a problem with the key, I think its fixed now i ran sbuild-update --keygen
[22:37] <octoquad> Noskcaj, whoa, that's cool
[22:38] <Noskcaj> :)
[22:38] <octoquad> is it ok if I ask which air force?
[22:38] <Noskcaj> It's going to be terrible, but on the other cadets stuff we fly planes, shoot guns, etc.
[22:38] <Noskcaj> Australian
[22:39] <Noskcaj> I'm still 15, so it's not the real air force
[22:39] <darkxst> octoquad, oh core did land this morning. wait for the 20150108 image then you can put out a call for testing
[22:39] <octoquad> btw darkxst and Noskcaj how is Australia? I've been thinking of immigrating, but so far New Zealand is where I want to be (I don't know why though lol)
[22:40] <octoquad> darkxst, awesome, will do
[22:41] <Noskcaj> octoquad, only major flaw i know of is the rural internet speeds
[22:41] <darkxst> octoquad, and the heat in some areas!
[22:41] <octoquad> we have that problem here, and worse, no fixed line internet in rural areas, but mobile all good
[22:42] <octoquad> One of my DJ friends moved there recently, he posted a picture a few days with the temperature in the car, I think it was 43 or 47 degrees that's insane
[22:42] <Noskcaj> Not everywhere is like that, what city was he in?
[22:43] <octoquad> Perth
[22:43] <octoquad> 5 Jan: 47 degrees
[22:44] <Noskcaj> There's a reason the only thing that happens in the western half of australia is mining
[22:44] <Noskcaj> Way too hot and dry
[22:44] <octoquad> here in Durban on the 5th was 34 degrees so I think I might be able to handle an extra 13 haha
[22:47] <octoquad> darkxst, are patches prefixed with anything I see git_*,0001-*, 0[0-9]_*, ubuntu_*, zg_* etc
[22:48] <Noskcaj> 000* or 0* for debian ones normally
[22:48] <Noskcaj> git_ for ones from git
[22:48] <Noskcaj> ubuntu_ for ubuntu only
[22:48] <Noskcaj> revert_ for git reverts
[22:49] <Noskcaj> There's no real convention, but doing that helps
[22:52] <octoquad> Since it comes from git i'll use git_nautilus-property-dialog-fix-user-list-for-owner-change.patch should be ok right?
[22:55] <Noskcaj> yep
[22:56] <octoquad> ok, I ran quilt push filename: I get "Patch ../patches/03_translations_list_update.patch does not apply (enforce with -f)" i'm assuming it's ok to use -f
[22:56] <Noskcaj> did you already apply it?
[22:57] <Noskcaj> can you please paste the full log too
[22:57] <Noskcaj> -f means force, which can break things
[22:57] <octoquad> yeah, that's why I'm hestitant to force any command
[22:58] <octoquad> paste service?
[22:58] <octoquad> pastebin or ubuntu paste
[22:58] <Noskcaj> either
[22:59] <octoquad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9690134/
[23:01] <octoquad> it's the very first patch listed in the series file and patch is present
[23:03] <Noskcaj> looks like the file you're patching isn;t
[23:05] <octoquad> ah, changing to root of folder works
[23:05] <octoquad> patch does not apply :(
[23:06] <darkxst> octoquad, I tested it on git and applied, so probably conflicts with one of the other patches and needs a rebase
[23:08] <darkxst> although I used the wrong branch!
[23:08] <octoquad> haha
[23:09] <darkxst> no, it applied cleanly on 3.10 also
[23:09] <octoquad> can you send me the diff you used?
[23:10] <darkxst> how did you get the patch?
[23:12] <darkxst> http://pastebin.com/FEdkXx4k
[23:12] <darkxst> that should apply cleanly in nautilus package
[23:13] <darkxst> (taken straight from git)
[23:20] <octoquad> I used this one you sent earlier: https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=f7d1394a03e6d02cd5c67f9c85a142e33f14566f. I think should just checkout the actual repo instead. I think I copied it from commit f7d1394 (patch) link
[23:22] <darkxst> copying from the patch link should work fine
[23:25] <darkxst> I gotta head off now
[23:25] <octoquad> ok, this is what I get: http://pastebin.com/h4GVnQtB
[23:26] <octoquad> I'll pick this up tomorrow, it's late my side as well
[23:28] <darkxst> octoquad, idk what you have done, it definitely worked here
[23:28] <octoquad> lol, ill keep trying, great way to learn anyway. It must be something silly
[23:30] <darkxst> all I can think is you somehow messed up formatting of the patch file
[23:36] <octoquad> correct, spaces vs tabs issue
[23:36] <octoquad> just downloaded the file instead of copy paste
[23:37] <darkxst> octoquad, yeh be careful of that, make sure you editor doesnt automatically modify any whitespace etc
[23:38] <darkxst> at best its annoying to review diffs, at worst it breaks things
[23:39] <octoquad> yeah, I have it set like that globally, mainly for PHP, but i'll fix it tomorrow for patch files.


[00:09] <Takyoji> It would be nice if there was a Firefox addon for forcing the web browser to access specific domains ONLY using HTTPS, and never with HTTP
[00:09]  * _diablo agrees
[00:09] <Takyoji> As a way to circumvent things like SSLstrip
[00:16] <kermit> yeah.. some sites support https but constantly send you to http anyway (facebook)
[00:18] <Takyoji> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12714
[00:18] <Takyoji> True
[00:19] <Takyoji> Just more in terms of Gmail, Launchpad, etc
[00:34] <kermit> Takyoji: cool! thanks!
[00:35] <Takyoji> Haven't tried it yet myself though
[00:35] <kermit> it works for facebook
[02:30] <Takyoji> It would also be interesting to have some type of a patrolled DNS system as well
[02:30] <Takyoji> of when the IP address of a domain resolves to something else
[02:30] <Takyoji> or outside of a specific IP range
[02:31] <Takyoji> especially if hell breaks lose with root DNS servers
[02:31]  * Takyoji wears a tinfoil hat
[02:42] <Takyoji> I think I need to poke around with Assembly more.
[02:43] <Takyoji> in terms of a project that it could be used for, etc
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> I don't mind the purple and stuff all that much really, but moving the minimize/close buttons to the left deserves lynching.
[03:03] <Takyoji> It's almost like some people are implicitly sabotaging Lucid or something. :P
[03:03] <tonyyarusso> "Hey, let's screw with the muscle memory of EVERY USER EVER!"  "Yeah!"
[21:31] <Takyoji> Thoughts? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-gets-new-themes-logo-more.html
[21:31] <Takyoji> I'm favourable of it
[21:32] <Takyoji> also, the controls are back on the right side: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/worried-ubuntu-1004-will-have-left-hand.html
[21:36] <Takyoji> also, as I was looking at the new plymouth screen, it looked like it the background was black (when viewing on a CRT at schewl), and apparently at my desktop it appears as purple.
[21:37] <Takyoji> But hey, there's finally a theme set down for 10.04, thus that means someone can certainly make the countdown image now
[22:11] <Obsidian1723> they made minmize, expand and close back on the right vs the left side of the windows?
[22:12] <Takyoji> It's back on the right side again
[22:21] <_diablo> thank god
[22:22] <Obsidian1723> good..otherweise I wouldnt upgrade.
[22:22] <Obsidian1723> That was Nautilus that did that right?
[22:23] <_diablo> nope. ubuntu
[22:23] <_diablo> in prep work afaik
[22:32] <Obsidian1723> so its back t o normal.. god, when programmers try to "improve" things that DO N O need it... I swaR...
[22:33] <_diablo> :)
[22:38] <Obsidian1723> Lewts just reinvent the wheel every release. If I wnated that, Id use Windows.
[22:38] <Obsidian1723> -w
[22:40] <Takyoji> but yea, tabs in nautilus are back at the top again, rather than the bottom.
[22:41] <Obsidian1723> why cant they just leave it alone?
[22:42] <Obsidian1723> what tabs?
[22:43] <Takyoji> in the nautilus file browser, for tabs of different folders open in the same window.
[22:43] <Obsidian1723> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cant they pulow?t them back at the top like they be
[22:44] <Takyoji> It is at the top
[22:44] <Obsidian1723> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cant they put them back at the top like they belong?
[22:44] <Obsidian1723> ok, then what is at the bottom? Guess Im confused.
[22:44] <Takyoji> Then changed it to the bottom, then they changed it to be back at the top
[22:45] <Takyoji> within the development of Lucid
[22:47] <_diablo> they keep trying to mess with things, and everyone tells them to leave it the same, so they change it back
[22:50] <Takyoji> but yea; any thoughts in regards of the new Ubuntu logo?
[22:51] <Takyoji> also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand2
[22:51]  * Takyoji wonders if tonyyarusso is alive/alert
[22:54] <_diablo> ugly imo.
[22:54] <_diablo> why stick it in a superscript circle?
[22:54] <_diablo> it makes it harder to see and looks messy
[22:55] <Takyoji> it could be placed differently yes; but I find interest in the font and simpler color palette.
[22:56] <Takyoji> but at the same time it does seem a bit *cough* familiar *cough* http://fedoraproject.org/
[23:20] <Takyoji> one thing that annoys me quite a bit though is that they pushed these updates right on the day of the UI freeze.
[23:20] <Takyoji> (today)
[23:21] <Takyoji> so that they can hold the excuse of "well, we can't change it now" when people complain
[23:22] <Takyoji> when it should have been released to the public at least a few days prior
[23:22] <Obsidian1723> I wont cpmplain. I'll just use Debian.
[23:23] <Takyoji> :P
[23:23] <Obsidian1723> Many wqill just leave. If they wanna be Mac, Im gone.
[23:25] <Takyoji> Ubuntu OS X. :P
[23:26] <Obsidian1723> *vomit*
[23:26] <Obsidian1723> Just run FreeBSD
[23:26] <Takyoji> It just makes me shudder whenever I see a commercial with IE6..
[23:26] <Takyoji> Just want to bash my head into this table
[23:28] <Obsidian1723> IE6? IIs that new? I'm on IE 2.0
[23:28] <Obsidian1723> heh
[23:30] <Takyoji> http://ie6funeral.com/
[23:31] <_diablo> ugh. I can't deal with FreeBSD. Because it's free gratis, not free libre :)
[23:31] <Takyoji> BSD licensing is "open source compliant". :P
[23:31] <Takyoji> unless if I missed the memo
[23:32] <Takyoji> of course it can be closed however, yes
[23:34] <Obsidian1723> http://futurist.se/gldt/gldt1003.svg
[23:35] <_diablo> free software != open source
[23:41] <kermit> Obsidian1723: nice
[23:42] <Takyoji> Seen the image before; it's used on Wikipedia
[23:44] <Obsidian1723> yeah thats the new one.
[23:48] <Takyoji> ahh
[23:48] <kermit> nor does free software or open source neccessairly equal open system
[23:49] <kermit> of the 3, i care most about open systems
[23:50] <kermit> if i have the term right?   .. things that are designed to work, with no aspects designed to impede you.


[04:26] <MagicFab> I have a question about the CC tonight
[04:26] <MagicFab> Is it OK to invite people from local orgs related to OSS, Linux ?
[04:32] <ogra> MagicFab, its a public meeting ...
[04:32] <ogra> invite whoever you want
[04:32] <MagicFab> tks., just checking
[10:01] <\sh> good evening
[10:01] <sivang> evening \sh , early a bit no?
[10:01] <sivang> (+1hr before meeting)
[10:02] <\sh> really?
[10:02] <sivang> let's see 10UTC = midnight israel time, meaning one more hour to go
[10:02] <\sh> someone banged my wlan
[10:02] <sivang> \sh: you mean, broke into it?
[10:03] <\sh> no..same signalstrength, same channel, and my laptop here switched between the networks...the other one is closed...and mine is only secured by macaddresses
[10:03] <\sh> oh yeah 22utc
[10:03] <\sh> damn
[10:06] <ajmitch> hm?
[10:06] <ajmitch> which meeting?
[10:06] <ajmitch> ah, CC, nothing for me to worry about today :)
[10:08] <Seveas> T minus 52 minutes
[10:08] <Treenaks> Seveas: *BOOM*  ?
[10:08] <ajmitch> 3am NZDT is painful
[10:09] <ogra_dinner> not in germany
[10:09] <Seveas> ajmitch, just go to bed early and wake up at 2:45
[10:09] <ajmitch> hah
[10:09] <Seveas> no one will notice you're not dressed :)
[10:09] <Treenaks> Seveas: he's not jdub
[10:09] <Seveas> badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerMUSHROOM
[10:09] <Treenaks> cloud?
[10:09] <ajmitch> I've got work a few hours after that
[10:09] <ogra_dinner> shhhnaike
[10:09] <Seveas> :)
[10:25] <Ju> Hi everybody
[10:26] <MagicFab> Hello - I figured I'd better be early
[10:27] <Seveas> 33 minutes to go :)
[10:27] <MagicFab> Yeah. I have to leave in 2hrs. though :( seing the last CC log is over 6 hrs. ;)
[10:28] <Seveas> no way
[10:28] <Seveas> little over 3 hours iirc
[10:28] <Seveas> but this onw ill be *much* shorter
[10:29] <Ju> just to know is there an irc contact for ubotu ? cool be nice to have an instance for locateam chans
[10:29] <Treenaks> Ju: I think it's Seveas ;)
[10:29] <Seveas> you can easily set one up - apt-get install blootbot
[10:29] <Seveas> Treenaks, *for ubotu*
[10:29] <Treenaks> blootbot? :)
[10:29] <Ju> ok, thanks
[10:30] <Treenaks> did a Dutch guy write it?
[10:30] <Seveas> no :p
[10:30] <ogra> Treenaks, developing nationalism ?
[10:30] <ogra> :)
[10:30] <Treenaks> ogra: no, but "bloot" is Dutch for naked :)
[10:30] <Seveas> ogra, bloot is dutch for naked ;)
[10:30] <ogra> hehehe
[10:31] <mdke> Seveas, did you consider removing the "extra extra" type comments from ubotu?
[10:32] <Seveas> mdke, I don't run that bot
[10:32] <mdke> oh, who does?
[10:32] <Seveas> cafuego
[10:33] <Seveas> I just run the bugzilla bot
[10:33] <Ju> it's a very nice bot, btw
[10:37] <juliux> hi
[10:38] <Seveas> hi
[10:49] <mitsuhiko> hi all
[10:49] <GnuKemist> hello
[10:49] <juliux> hi mitsuhiko
[10:50] <mdke> hi mitsuhiko
[10:51] <mitsuhiko> hi mdke :)
[10:51] <mdke> you're up to membership? jeez that is a bit overdue
[10:52] <mitsuhiko> jep :)
[10:52] <Seveas> GnuKemist, you're Og Maciel, right?
[10:52] <GnuKemist> Seveas: yup
[10:52] <GnuKemist> how are ya?
[10:53] <Seveas> GnuKemist, just poke jdub to add a link to the brazilian planet on planet.ubuntu.com
[10:53] <Seveas> no need for CC intervention there
[10:53] <GnuKemist> Seveas: will do... actually, I had emailed him quite some time ago
[10:53] <GnuKemist> but this is not what I meant
[10:54] <Seveas> I don't think they'll simply let you put your planet on their servers...
[10:54] <GnuKemist> I mean to have the domain point to a pc under Ubuntu.org
[10:54] <GnuKemist> gotcha
[10:54] <Seveas> neither will they do that
[10:54] <GnuKemist> Seveas: I see
[10:54] <Seveas> for locoteams there are the ubuntu-CC.org domains
[10:54] <Seveas> in your case ubuntu-br.org
[10:55] <GnuKemist> Seveas: will talk to segfault then
[10:55] <Seveas> so poke smurfix to point planet.ubuntu-br.org and/or planeta.ubuntu-br.org there if you want that
[10:55] <GnuKemist> Seveas: been trying to get a hold of smurf for some time as well
[10:55] <mitsuhiko> Seveas: or zed :)
[10:55] <GnuKemist> maybe tonight
[10:55] <mitsuhiko> GnuKemist: smurf is ill
[10:55] <Seveas> mitsuhiko, aww :/
[10:55] <GnuKemist> mitsuhiko: oh... sorry to hear
[10:55] <Seveas> that's not good
[10:56] <Seveas> GnuKemist, are you ok with removing that item from the agenda now you know what to do?
[10:56] <smurf> I'm still alive though
[10:56] <GnuKemist> Seveas: sure thing  ;)
[10:56] <mitsuhiko> smurf: oh. good to hear :)
[10:56] <GnuKemist> smurf: hi...
[10:56] <Seveas> smurf, good to see you :)
[10:56] <smurf> GnuKemist: just send me mail with the server IP
[10:56] <GnuKemist> smurf: what is your email?
[10:57] <\sh> smurf: good to see you...hope you are feeling better then yesterday
[10:57] <smurf> and don't forget to actually configure it to serve that domain *before* you tell me to turn it on, because I will check that it does ;-)
[10:57] <smurf> \sh: somewhat :-/
[10:57] <GnuKemist> smurf: no prob
[10:57] <smurf> GnuKemist<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:57] <GnuKemist> smurf: thanx
[10:58] <\sh> smurf: but it's only a cold? or something more serious?
[10:59] <smurf> \sh: It is, but forget the "only".  Missed you in Montreal
[11:01] <kjcole> Saluton!
[11:01] <mako> i missed me in montreal
[11:02] <ogra> mako, we too
[11:02] <Seveas> 23:02 - any sign of elmo Kamion and/or sabdfl yet?
[11:02] <elmo> I'm around
[11:03] <ogra> ah
[11:03] <sivang> mako !
[11:03] <Seveas> welcome elmo :)
[11:03] <mako> greetings everyone
[11:03] <mdke> hiya
[11:03] <mitsuhiko> hi all
[11:03] <GnuKemist> mako: hello
[11:03] <mako> i turn into a pumpkin in a little under an hour
[11:03] <kjcole> Woopsie.  23:03?  UTC? I was hoping for 22:00 UTC.
[11:04] <mdke> it's 22
[11:04] <MagicFab> Hello
[11:04] <Seveas> it's 22:00 UTC now
[11:04] <ogra> mako, could we get a pic of this ?
[11:04] <mako> ogra: absolutely not
[11:04] <ogra> or better a shortcut :)
[11:04] <smurf> awwww...
[11:04] <elmo> sending SMS pings
[11:04] <Seveas> cool, ICMP over SMS :)
[11:04] <mako> elmo: thanks dude.. i was about do it :)
[11:05] <Seveas> mako, David Larlet got accepted last time but had not joined ubuntu-members on launchpad back then. He has joined that team now, but needs to be approved. Would you be so kind? :)
[11:05] <Kamion> my mobile's out of charge, so good luck trying to SMS me ;)
[11:06] <ogra> heh
[11:06] <Simira> :-)
[11:06] <mako> alrighte
[11:06] <kjcole> Seveas: I'm just an Ugly American.  I don't "cotton" to all this international brotherhood B.S.  (Re: UTC) ;-)
[11:06] <mako> Kamion: i turn into a pumpkin in an hour so we should ge through the voting stuff quickly
[11:06] <Seveas> s/last time/25 oct (http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20051026.124102.e648e759.en.html)/
[11:06] <Kamion> ok
[11:06] <elmo> I'll ring sabdfl in a couple of minutes, but given his laptop is in the office and he isn't, I think we should assume he can';t make it
[11:06] <mdke> matthew east
[11:07] <Simira> Seveas : ey, I didn't even know you were you...
[11:07] <Seveas> Simira, neither did I ;)
[11:07] <Kamion> mpathy is again not here, so let's skip that item
[11:07] <mako> alright.. it's gonna be rush rush for me since i turn into a pumpkin in one hour :)
[11:07] <bhuvan> bhuvan: Bhuvaneswaran
[11:07] <mhz> MauricioHernandez is here
[11:07] <Simira> Seveas : you didn't know who you were?
[11:08] <juliux> Kamion, he said that you can kick this itme
[11:08] <Seveas> RolandoBlanco isn't here either
[11:08] <ogra> mhz, hey ! :)
[11:08] <mako> alright then, loco team introductions
[11:08] <mhz> Seveas: said it is 'not possible to be here'
[11:08] <Seveas> So mhz is the first on the agenda (Chilean team)
[11:08] <mhz> ogra: thx for inviting me
[11:09] <ogra> Seveas, what about Latin american Team ?
[11:09] <Seveas> mhz, can you tell us a bit more about your team?
[11:09] <mhz> yup
[11:09] <Seveas> ogra, see the notes at RolandoBlanco in the proposed members
[11:09] <ogra> Seveas, yes, sorry, missed it
[11:09] <Seveas> mhz, then please do :)
[11:10] <mhz> ChileanLoCoTeam was meant to spread Edubuntu and Ubuntu. However, in Chile, there's someone (i still can't find his email) who is using ubuntu.cl
[11:10] <mako> mhz: that's an issue we can handle
[11:10] <mako> smurf and jane know all about that :)
[11:10] <Amaranth> i made it to one, finally!
[11:10] <mhz> So, personally, I do feel 100% cmmited to Edubuntu. Mainly because, there are plenty of LUGs in LA
[11:10] <mhz> and Spain
[11:10] <ogra> jane == silbs, not JaneW :)
[11:11] <mako> ogra: yes, sorry :)
[11:11] <sivang> Amaranth: lol
[11:11] <MagicFab> ubuntu-es is pretty active
[11:11] <mhz> Seveas: our plans are simple, yet agressive
[11:11] <mako> mhz: overlapping LUGS and loco teams are perfectly alright
[11:11] <mhz> Seveas: we can work together with any LUG that wants to work hard, no problem.
[11:12] <mako> people need/want local community and supporst on a number of different locality issues
[11:12] <ogra> mhz is one of the most active promoters for edubuntu in whole latin america i guess
[11:12] <mhz> mako: oh, i didnt know it
[11:12] <mako> mhz: sure, they exist :)
[11:12] <mako> Seveas: it's fine
[11:12] <mdke> mhz, who is in the team?
[11:12] <mako> right, what sort of membership and interest that you have
[11:13] <mhz> mako: Seveas however, I am very honest and I believe LA needs much more help on educational areas than linux related. So yes, I can spread Ubuntu. Nevertheless, my passion is Edubuntu :)
[11:14] <mhz> mdke: so far, Sergio Vergara (student of Chemestry), Rodrigo Morales (tecnocimiento guy who is the Biz plans guy), Victor Moral (tecnocimiento guy who is the IT expert and web developer), Me.
[11:14] <mhz> the 4 of us are well commited to ICT on education
[11:14] <MagicFab> mhz: I could be liaison with Colombia
[11:14] <mdke> cool
[11:15] <kjcole> mhz: ICT?
[11:15] <mako> mhz: well, that sounds great
[11:15] <mdke> mhz, there is an Ubuntu forum on ubuntu.cl, is that anything to do with your team?
[11:15] <ogra> btw, this is mostly the work of the chilenian team: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdLabelAndSlip
[11:15] <mhz> However, I do participate a lot in CDSL (www.cdsl.cl) and they would help us on this. For EdubuntuChilean Tour, we have already contacted ColegioInteractivo, and institution that works with over 1000 teachers in Chile
[11:15] <mako> mhz: but you should welcome to working with other people from chile who want to tackle other issues
[11:15] <mhz> mdke: nop
[11:16] <mako> mhz: so that we don't *have* to have competing locos :)
[11:16] <mdke> mhz, it looks quite well developed
[11:16] <mako> mhz: if you have a primary intersting one area or two, that's great
[11:16] <mhz> mdke: so far, I only know them via forum. I have never klnown of any InstallFest organized by them
[11:16] <mhz> mako: absolutely
[11:16] <mako> but it's good to be willing to work with people have have other ubuntu interests
[11:16] <mdke> mhz, perhaps you can join forces with the organisers of it
[11:16] <mako> cool
[11:16] <mhz> mako: the diff. is how commited people are in the end, on daily basis.
[11:17] <mhz> mako: sure, I am trying to get his leader email (they were off line for long period)
[11:17] <mdke> great stuff
[11:17] <mhz> CDSL and us, are organizing install fest for next saturday
[11:17] <mako> great stuff
[11:18] <Seveas> cool, install fests rock
[11:18] <mhz> mako: and so far, we have not heard from them. I guess it's mainly because they live in diff areas (we are divided by regions)
[11:18] <mdke> mhz, did you try posting to the forum?
[11:18] <mhz> yup, last week
[11:18] <mako> well, in interests of time, we shoudl move on
[11:19] <mdke> good
[11:19] <mhz> no answer yet
[11:19] <mhz> but i know i will
[11:19] <mdke> mako is going orange
[11:19] <ogra> whhops
[11:19] <mhz> Seveas: we are planing also HowTo Fests
[11:19] <mitsuhiko> hehe
[11:20] <mdke> mako, you wanna move on?
[11:20] <kjcole> mhz: Nice. Keep good records of those.  Might come in handy for others.
[11:20] <Seveas> mhz, sounds great, good luck with all that and when you have other interesting stuff to report, don't hesitate
[11:20] <mako> yes, lets do it :)
[11:20] <Seveas> next would be rolando blanco
[11:20] <mako> new member candidates
[11:20] <Seveas> but he can't make tuesdays, can we schedule a meeting on wednesday for once?
[11:20] <mhz> kjcole: sure. At least on IRC I am reporting as much as we can :)
[11:21] <mako> Seveas: we can :)
[11:21] <MagicFab> mhz: pictures, pictures, pictures :)
[11:21] <Seveas> mako, great, shall I do that for next meeting and coordinate it a bit with him?
[11:21] <mako> Seveas: we need to run it by other people
[11:22] <mhz> MagicFab: sure. form next saturdays
[11:22] <mako> Seveas: we also need tdo shift the times back and forth
[11:22] <mako> Seveas: we've been having too many late meeting times
[11:22] <mako> Seveas: but we can do that at the end of hte meeting
[11:22] <mako> lets move on
[11:22] <Seveas> juliux, you're up
[11:22] <mdke> JuliusBloch
[11:22] <juliux> yes i am here
[11:22] <mako> juliux: alright, do you know the drill?
[11:22] <ogra> juliux, youre no member yet ? o_O
[11:22] <juliux> ogra, no
[11:22] <kjcole> Mako: Late is a relative term. ;-) (5:22 PM here)
[11:22] <Seveas> please give a 3-line intro about what you did, what your plans are and your vision on Ubuntu
[11:23] <juliux> at the moment many people in Germany heard something about ubuntu, but don't know what  exactly it is. my dream is that everybody knows what ubuntu is. so i have  decided to present ubuntu on fairs in Germany and tell the people what ubuntu is and to make my dream a little bit more real.
[11:23] <mdke> nice wiki page
[11:23] <mhz> :)
[11:23] <Seveas> mitsuhiko, bhuvan, mhz please prepare such a 3-liner so you can paste it when you're up
[11:23] <mhz> okidoki
[11:23] <\sh> oh...juliux and mitsuhiko are great workers in things like ubuntu and promoting it
[11:23] <bhuvan> Seveas, ok
[11:23] <juliux> in the past i have do many support for ubuntu in Germany
[11:23] <mitsuhiko> Seveas: i've prepared one :)
[11:23] <ogra> juliux is organizing a lot in the german community ... preparing booths and presence at fairs
[11:24] <Seveas> awesome
[11:24] <ogra> he's busy in #edubuntu as well
[11:24] <mdke> great work juliux
[11:24] <juliux> thanks mdke
[11:24] <Kamion> I'm impressed by the pile of stuff there
[11:25] <\sh> he is one of the founding members of ubuntu Deutschland e.V. and works on wiki.ubuntuusers.de...he is awesome
[11:25] <juliux> hm i think i can do more, but i have to study
[11:25] <GnuKemist> juliux: if you don't mind me ask, how do you pay for your travelling?
[11:25] <\sh> (same applies to mitsuhiko)
[11:25] <juliux> GnuKemist, i paid it my self
[11:25] <GnuKemist> juliux: wow
[11:25] <mdke> wiki.ubuntusers.de is exceptional
[11:26] <GnuKemist> juliux: I have done the same as far as buying and burning CDs to give out...  awsome!
[11:26] <ogra> he organized my talk at linuxtag.de at dec 3rd
[11:26] <mdke> oh dear
[11:26] <juliux> ogra, no linuxtag.de is the one in march next year
[11:26] <mako> juliux: have you been involved in the gnome community fo much longer?
[11:26] <mdke> unleashing ogra on the public
[11:26] <mdke> -1
[11:26] <mhz> Seveas: my 3 lines are ready
[11:26] <mitsuhiko> mine too :)
[11:26] <juliux> mako, yes
[11:26] <\sh> he convienced me to do a "Photo With A MOTU" at the Essener Linuxtage fair ,)
[11:26] <juliux> mako, the last few years
[11:27] <mdke> \sh, LOL
[11:27] <dholbach> \sh: hehe :)
[11:27] <juliux> \sh, psst
[11:27] <mitsuhiko> hehe
[11:27] <dholbach> \sh: he did the "interview with a motu" too :)
[11:27] <juliux> ogra, the right url for december is http://essen.linux-tage.linec.de/
[11:27] <ogra> mdke, come on, i'm not *this* ugly :)
[11:27] <mdke> ogra, :D
[11:27] <mako> juliux: great, i'm glad that you've moved over to this community :)
[11:28] <Seveas> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Spiele_Ubuntu <-- you don't mention xmoto, kobo deluxe and xgala ;)
[11:28] <Seveas> but that wiki is indeed exceptional
[11:28] <Seveas> VERY informative
[11:28] <Kamion> ok, happy to approve juliux if elmo and mako are
[11:28] <mako> right
[11:28] <mitsuhiko> Seveas: Spiele is outdated, we move it into the german holarse wiki
[11:28] <ogra> even if i develop a bread of wisdom now (according to makos definition)
[11:28] <mdke> Seveas, that wiki is flair
[11:28] <mitsuhiko> AFIAK
[11:28] <mako> juliux: i appreciate you contributions
[11:28] <juliux> thanks a lot
[11:28] <elmo> ack
[11:28] <ogra> *beard
[11:28] <mako> you've got a thumbs up from me
[11:28] <GnuKemist> juliux: congrats!
[11:28] <mako> sounds good
[11:28] <mdke> welcome juliux
[11:29] <dholbach> excellent, juliux :)
[11:29] <ogra> congratds juliux
[11:29] <mako> Armin Ronacher
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> juhuu :)
[11:29] <Seveas> juliux, welcome aboard, don't forget to do the launchpad/signing ritual
[11:29] <juliux> Seveas, i have done this
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> Since the beginning of november
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> 2004 i'm ubuntu user. One month after my first contact with ubuntu and linux
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> Since Dezember the Admin of ubuntuusers.de beside Sascha Morr.
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> I work on the Portal Software and try to answer user questions. My account
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> there is named "blackbird" and with about 3000 posts i'm one of the most
[11:29] <\sh> juliux: finally u made it, dude :) congratulations :) welcome aboard :)
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> active authors.
[11:29] <mdke> mitsuhiko is a god
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> lol
[11:29] <mdke> he has written loads of cool wiki things for the german wiki
[11:29] <\sh> yeah...he is young, he is fresh, he works for ubuntu even during his schooltime...
[11:30] <mdke> and is very helpful in the locoteam area in sharing ideas and such
[11:30] <mitsuhiko> \sh: *psst* don't tell ^^
[11:31] <mako> mitsuhiko: that's impressive :)
[11:31] <mako> not the schooltime thing
[11:31] <\sh> and he is friendly, community orientated..and the best what you can get for ubuntu...smurf, juliux, mitsuhiko, and sascha are the base of the most of the ubuntu work in germany...
[11:31] <mako> i'm actually in a research group meeting RIGHT NOW :)
[11:31] <mitsuhiko> :)
[11:31] <mako> (but my group all uses ubuntu so it's tolerated)
[11:31] <juliux> \sh, there are much more in germany
[11:32] <\sh> juliux: i know...but you are one of the big guns
[11:32] <mako> mitsuhiko: so ubuntuusers.de has been around for a while, right?
[11:32] <mako> how long have you been at it?
[11:32] <mitsuhiko> mako: since Dec. 2004
[11:32] <mitsuhiko> user founded it 2 days after the warty release
[11:32] <mitsuhiko> so. somewhere in october 2004
[11:32] <Seveas> Anmeldungsdatum  	19.11.2004
[11:33] <Seveas> (according to the forum profile :)
[11:33] <mitsuhiko> Seveas: jep. that's true :)
[11:33] <smurf> mitsuhiko has been very active for quite some time, I'd be happy to sponsor hi for membership just on his consistency ;-)
[11:33] <mako> wow,
[11:33] <mdke> yeah the guy is good
[11:33] <mako> smurf: that's good to hear :)
[11:33] <Seveas> I think it says enough :)
[11:33] <mdke> long overdue for membership
[11:33] <Seveas> Beitrge insgesamt  	 3182 [2.85% aller Beitrge / 8.62 Beitrge pro Tag]
[11:33] <Kamion> ok, sure, I'm happy, plenty of material and recommendations
[11:33] <elmo> ack too
[11:34] <mako> looks like sustained and sustained contributions to me
[11:34] <mako> looks great
[11:34] <Seveas> mitsuhiko, welcome aboard
[11:34] <GnuKemist> mitsuhiko: congrats!
[11:34] <mako> looks great :)
[11:34] <mitsuhiko> thx
[11:34] <mako> bhuvan: hey there
[11:34] <mako> i think you're up
[11:34] <\sh> mitsuhiko: congratulations :)
[11:34] <bhuvan> yes
[11:34] <juliux> mitsuhiko, congratds
[11:34] <bhuvan> wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bhuvan. I belong to docteam. I've submitted many patches to docteam svn repository. I've also contributed couple of wiki pages. I've also made changes/corrections to many wiki pages.
[11:34] <bhuvan> i'm one of the maintainer for ServerGuide for Dapper. I've already prepared the  spec and got the appropral from team members.  w.u.c/ServerGuide
[11:35] <bhuvan> Currently, I'm preparing the server guide for Dapper with the help of my team mates.
[11:35] <mako> bhuvan: where are you from?
[11:35] <bhuvan> india
[11:35] <mako> bhuvan: where about?
[11:35] <bhuvan> india, chennai (chennai is a metro in south india)
[11:35] <mdke> i would like to support bhuvan too. He has been helping around the docteam for a while now, and has submitted several helpful patches. He is enthusiastic and has excellent team-working. he learns fast and is patient, and is contributing steadily in the docteam
[11:35] <mako> bhuvan: sure, i know :)
[11:35] <bhuvan> mako, cool
[11:36] <mako> mdke: thanks, that's helpful
[11:37] <Seveas> bhuvan, any other interests beside documentation?
[11:37] <Kamion> bhuvan: how much of the server guide do you think can be sourced (modified or otherwise) from existing documentation?
[11:37] <mako> bhuvan: how long have you been involved? where do you want to take ubuntu?
[11:37] <bhuvan> i'm interested in MOTU. but, as i wish to learn new stuff, i prefer documentation for some time before moving to MOTU
[11:37] <Kamion> (er that sounds like a bit of a leading question, that's not the intent, just a simple question)
[11:38] <mdke> Kamion, we will be relying heavily on the debian guide i imagine
[11:38] <bhuvan> Kamion, so far i've referred redhat. sure, we may make use of debian document
[11:39] <Kamion> yeah, that or the HOWTOs (minus all the "if you're running <this> system from 1997, do this, otherwise ..." stuff)
[11:39] <\sh> bhuvan: why the redhat documentation?
[11:39] <mako> i would be surprised if the debian document didn't offer us good things we could use
[11:39] <mdke> oh btw, if you want an idea of the quality of his work, check out the SubVersion and Mailman wiki pages that he has done
[11:39] <mdke> mako, from what I've seen, it definitely does
[11:39] <bhuvan> mako, for the past 3 months. i've been using ubuntu for the past 2 months
[11:39] <mako> nice
[11:40] <Seveas> it's good that people who are new to ubuntu immediately contribute
[11:40] <Seveas> shows dedication :)
[11:40] <mako> wait.. you've been writing documents for longer than youv'e been using it
[11:41] <Kamion> hmm, I could proofread that, but it's basically clear and simple documentation, and my command of Indian languages is hardly excellent so ... :)
[11:41] <bhuvan> Seveas, i'm used to debian though
[11:41] <mdke> Kamion, for a first and immediate contribution, it is so much better than a lot of wiki pages that spring up :)
[11:42] <\sh> Kamion: come on learn hindi :)
[11:42] <Kamion> mdke: yeah, certainly
[11:42] <Kamion> (BTW Subversion is spelt thus, no capital V)
[11:42] <mdke> yeah that looks like some fake camelcase ;)
[11:42] <bhuvan> Kamion, no!
[11:42] <bhuvan> seems, it must be spelled SubVersion
[11:42] <bhuvan> one of the SVN developer suggested that change
[11:42] <Seveas> it should be spelled bazaar-ng ;)
[11:43] <\sh> .oO(correct spelling should be subVersion, and bzr is now called DomVersion)
[11:43] <mako> bhuvan: well, i'm thrilled with your contributions
[11:43] <bhuvan> mako, ok
[11:43] <mako> and, as Seveas said, i'm happy to see you contributing already
[11:43] <Kamion> bhuvan: odd, that's not the way it was spelled when I used to be on subversion-devel, and it's not how http://subversion.tigris.org/ spells it
[11:43] <Kamion> but anyway
[11:43] <bhuvan> Kamion, ok
[11:44] <mdke> bhuvan, do you have commit access for the docteam svn repo yet?
[11:44] <Kamion> detailed quibbles aside :-), I'm fine with bhuvan for membership
[11:44] <bhuvan> as i work for CollabNet, i referred my developer over here .. he suggested couple of changes to that document, its one of them ..
[11:44] <elmo> me too
[11:44] <Seveas> bhuvan, welcome on the Ubuntu ship
[11:44] <Kamion> maybe there's been a policy change
[11:44] <GnuKemist> bhuvan: congrats!
[11:44] <Seveas> congratulations!
[11:44] <bhuvan> mdke, not yet
[11:45] <mhz> bhuvan: congrats
[11:45] <ogra> congrats bhuvan
[11:45] <Seveas> MagicFab, you're next
[11:45] <bhuvan> oh, thankx
[11:45] <mako> bhuvan: personally, i'd prefer to see a little more sustained contribution
[11:45] <mdke> bhuvan, right let's sort that out. elmo is that to be rt'ed?
[11:45] <\sh> congrats bhuvan
[11:45] <Seveas> (for the people who are puzzled, look 6cm down on the agenda)
[11:45] <juliux> congrats bhuvan
[11:45] <mako> but yeah, that's great :)
[11:45] <elmo> mdke: yeah
[11:45] <mako> bhuvan: so stay involved dude :)
[11:45] <MagicFab> I am here
[11:45] <bhuvan> sure, thankx
[11:45] <mdke> mako, you will, I have the feeling that this guy is here to stay
[11:45] <mako> bhuvan: keep up the good work :)
[11:45] <Seveas> MagicFab, the 3-line introduction please
[11:46] <mdke> bhuvan, nice work
[11:46] <mako> Seveas: how else is on the stack?
[11:46] <Seveas> FabianRodriguez (Wasn't there 8/11) - Confirming I'll be there as MagicFab - -- FabinRodrguez 2005-11-22 15:48:13
[11:46] <MagicFab> Mhh... I have a bit more than 3 lines
[11:46] <mako> i gotta run in like 5 minutes
[11:46] <MagicFab> WikiPage:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FabianRodriguez - stuff I find significant in bold. I am originally from Colombia, have been living in Quebec Canada since I was 16 while visiting family there yearly - so I've known about the horrors of remote support of proprietary software, webcams etc. :) You may remember me from UBZ when I told the true story of having converted my parents' PC to Ubuntu only.
[11:46] <mdke> bhuvan, can you come into -doc for a while?
[11:46] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[11:46] <ogra> Seveas, doesnt that depend on the DPI setting ?
[11:46] <Seveas> mako, only this and a few non-voting things
[11:46] <Seveas> ogra, sort-of
[11:46] <mako> Seveas: perfect
[11:46] <MagicFab> I currently work full-time as an Open Source software solutions consultant, focusing on security and migration issues in Montreal. Curiously, I am the first link in U. Marketplace - NorthAmerica :) I have strong links to the local community and I am mostly interested in advocacy/marketing (events, etc.), local support & training and new users introduction / migration to Gnu/Linux.
[11:47] <mako> MagicFab: have you been doing much ubuntu business?
[11:47] <MagicFab> I'd say Debian so far. My first Ubuntu server proposal is out this week :)
[11:47] <mako> that's nice
[11:48] <MagicFab> Ah, wait, several custom training sessions, yes.
[11:48] <Seveas> MagicFab was at UBZ, any UBZ-ists you talked to there MagicFab ?
[11:48] <mitsuhiko> Kamion: i'm waiting for some work of the art team
[11:48] <MagicFab> Sivang, at a BOF
[11:48] <mdke> elmo, what do you need, email address, gpg # and preferred nick?
[11:49] <MagicFab> any UBZers here ? I personally know hub (not here) - also go to meet Corey Burger
[11:49] <elmo> mdke: s/nick/username/ but yes, that'll work
[11:49] <Simira> MagicFab : a lot of us were there
[11:49] <kjcole> MagicFab: I was there, but more of a lurker...
[11:49] <mako> MagicFab: many of your contributions have been in the last month or so
[11:49] <ogra> MagicFab, i was there
[11:50] <\sh> MagicFab: many of us ... ogra, \sh, kamion, elmo ....
[11:50] <mako> which is great, but i like to look for slightly more long term contributions
[11:50] <mako> MagicFab: do you have any testimonials from existing developers?
[11:50] <MagicFab> mako: I've been on since 4.10
[11:50] <mako> MagicFab: right, i understand you've been using ubuntu until 4.10
[11:51] <mako> but our job is to recogized a series of sustained and significant contributions
[11:51] <Amaranth> whoops, gotta go
[11:51] <Simira> g'night
[11:51] <mako> Simira: good night
[11:51] <ogra> night Simira
[11:51] <GnuKemist> night
[11:51] <MagicFab> mako: well, I do this full time and some of the stuff has not been online - like advocacy in Colombia
[11:51] <mako> MagicFab: you do what full time?
[11:52] <MagicFab> mako: OSS consulting, training and migration from Win to Linux
[11:52] <mdke> :))
[11:52] <mako> yes, i understand that, and i understand your committment to ubuntu
[11:52] <Seveas> MagicFab, what we are looking for are contributions to Ubuntu - not to OSS in general
[11:52] <mako> but i'm trying to gague contributions to the ubuntu community
[11:52] <MagicFab> I'd say 1/2 of what I do is Mozilla related, 1/2 is now Ubuntu
[11:52] <mako> MagicFab: ok.. but the nature and extent of those is not known to me or obvious from my wiki page
[11:53] <mako> sorry, from your wikipage
[11:53] <mako> MagicFab: do you have any other members who can give you testimonials
[11:53] <MagicFab> sivang could, he's here
[11:53] <MagicFab> Some of you may see me on IRC
[11:54] <MagicFab> Corey Burger too
[11:54] <Seveas> I never really saw you in #ubuntu actually
[11:54] <MagicFab> ONe of my main projects is a doc to accompany Ubuntu CDs, a work in progress for more than a year
[11:54] <mako> Seveas: that's fine though, you rarely see me there either :)
[11:54] <mako> using irc is by no means a requirement
[11:54] <mako> MagicFab: cool :)
[11:54] <mako> that sounds great
[11:54] <MagicFab> https://secure.fabianrodriguez.com/files/ubuntu-fr.pdf
[11:55] <Seveas> mako, no but he said that some would, and I'm in there 'sometimes' :)
[11:55] <mako> MagicFab: in any case, i'd suggest we postpone this until you can collect a few testimontials
[11:55] <mako> Seveas: sorry, missed that
[11:55] <Ubuntuser_BA> Hello Folks/1
[11:55] <mako> MagicFab: and keep working on the directly commmunity engaged projects you've started in the last month or so
[11:56] <david`bgk> MagicFab, why don't you get yann and me in touch for french documentation ?
[11:56] <MagicFab> ? last month ?
[11:57] <david`bgk> yes for your CDs accompany
[11:57] <mako> MagicFab: the stuff that is down with "oct 2005"
[11:57] <mako> in any case
[11:57] <ogra> hmm, is there a reason we skipped mhz's membership Seveas ? he's above MagicFab on the agenda
[11:57] <david`bgk> we're interested in this
[11:57] <mhz> Seveas: Can I paste my lines once last candidate is introduced? when you asked me to introduce myself I thought that to be invited here is because work was already recognized :)
[11:57] <MagicFab> Well, I can't see how it's considered recent or last month
[11:58] <Kamion> MagicFab: mako's referring to the marketing team work I think?
[11:58] <mako> yes
[11:58] <mako> MagicFab: i'm not suggesting that ALL of your contributiosn started last month
[11:58] <Seveas> ogra, he didn't put himself on the list and the 'covered in recent meetings' is usually not treated, but he made a note there
[11:58] <Kamion> if the public speaking work goes back some time, I'm happy to consider that a contribution; we've taken members on the basis of advocacy before
[11:58] <MagicFab> david`bgk: if you're in ubuntu-fr I think we're already in touch
[11:58] <ogra> mhz, wait until mako/Seveas call you
[11:58] <mako> i'm suggesting that some of the most directly community-engaged projects, like marketing team stuff, is relatively recent
[11:58] <mhz> ogra: ok, thx.
[11:59] <mako> MagicFab: i'm more comfortable postponing this
[11:59] <ogra> Seveas, i dont see MagicFab either in the above list
[11:59] <sivang> Seveas: MagicFab also participated in a BOF and spec I was in charge of and gave some good ideas
[11:59] <mako> MagicFab: it may just be that you need to do a better job documenting this
[11:59] <Seveas> sivang, nice, put that in a wikipage
[11:59] <mako> yes
[11:59] <mako> and we need to do this before the meeting
[11:59] <david`bgk> MagicFab, yes of course we are, you have been added to the planet a week ago
[11:59] <MagicFab> mako: I'd love to - I spent quite some time on the my wiki page. How can I improve that ?
[11:59] <mako> MagicFab: work with me in the next two weeks
[11:59] <sivang> Seveas: I should add it?
[11:59] <mako> MagicFab: and lets see how we can improve it
[12:00] <mako> i'm happy to do it offline
[12:00] <mako> right now, i'm going to turn into a pumpkin
[12:00] <Seveas> mako, wait
[12:00] <mako> Seveas: ?
[12:00] <Seveas> one more candidate (I missed it on the agenda)
[12:00] <mdke> mhz
[12:00] <mako> right
[12:01] <mhz> mdke: wait until Seveas calls me?
[12:01] <mako> please, go ahead, i'll reconnect ASAP and comment on the log.. take votes from the other two :)
[12:01] <Seveas> mhz, your wikipage mentions very little Ubuntu contributions
[12:01] <mako> if i'm lucky, it will be in ~10 minutes
[12:01] <Kamion> I've seen mhz around on the Edubuntu project for quite some months
[12:01] <mako> otherwise, 2.5h
[12:01] <mdke> mhz, go ahead now
[12:01] <mako> if you get kamion and elmo to agree, i doubt you will get a fight from me :)
[12:01] <mhz> Seveas: Debian user for 3 years and Ubuntu since warty. My first commitment is to freedom of access because knowledge is key for sustainable development. Education is one of the most important areas to achieve such development. Ergo, Ed/Ubuntu is the key actor in my plans:
[12:01] <mhz> Edubuntu Chilean Tour + Fairs of free Technology.
[12:01] <mhz> So far I edit some wiki stuff in edubuntu.org, I keep www.tecnocimiento.cl/EdubuntuChile and I am coordinating the EdubuntuCdLabelAndCdCover and EdubuntuStudyContents.
[12:01] <mhz> Also, I have installed Ubuntu in 2 medium sized-companies servers and over 25 desktops, and edubuntu in over 16 machines now, 3 of them at a university.
[12:01] <Kamion> although I'm not sure the wiki page reflects that as much as it might do
[12:01] <mhz> On december one article I wrote on Ubuntu for Education, for a Education Magazine, will be handed to over 1000 schools. Also, I'll present Ubuntu and Edubuntu on a local TV show for teens.
[12:01] <mako> alright guys.. ttys
[12:01] <mhz> I am sure ogra and JaneW can give good testimonials of my contributions, so far.
[12:01] <ogra> Seveas, he did nearly all of the wiki stuff for edubuntu, is very active in the edubuntu community
[12:01] <mako> alright guys, see you soon
[12:01] <Kamion> FWIW I tend to skip over the "life story" bits of people's wiki pages :)
[12:02] <mdke> bye mako
[12:02] <Seveas> ogra, that's a nice + for him
[12:02] <ogra> he does a great job promoting edubuntu in latin america
[12:02] <mhz> Kamion: thx for that


[04:09] <akgraner> Nivex, I'll send your request into my boss...:-) and see what he says
[14:13] <Nivex> *sigh* multiarch doesn't make much sense to me yet, but I have a very specific use case
[14:14] <Nivex> I'm trying to install zsnes. When I do, it wants to rip out the 64 bit version of the libraries it needs and put in the 32 bit. I want it to install the 386 alongside.
[14:20] <Nivex> http://dpaste.org/xqhuD/


[12:08] <gary_poster> bac frankban call in 2
[12:08] <bac> ok
[12:09] <bac> let's hope roadrunner is nicer to me today
[12:09] <gary_poster> I had trouble with cable in the afternoon and evening when I had it
[12:10] <gary_poster> morning was usually better
[12:15] <frankban> gary_poster: https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/lpsetup/load-library/+merge/105212
[12:22] <bac> gah
[12:22] <bac> i have nothing else
[12:22] <gary_poster> bac, lol that was abrupt
[12:22] <bac> gary_poster: ^
[12:22] <gary_poster> ok cool
[12:23] <gary_poster> actually the effect was "I've got nothing" follwed by immediately hanging up :-)
[12:53] <frankban> ssh to lxc for avant-garde people: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/979800/ ;-)
[13:39] <gary_poster> frankban, sorry!  I am trying to dig into the issues with the data center lxc setup and lost track of time.  Want to have a call?
[13:57] <gary_poster> bac, hey.  You have a chance to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/lpsetup/load-library/+merge/105212 ?  I'm happy to
[13:58] <bac> gary_poster: i will now
[13:58] <gary_poster> thanks bac
[14:14] <bac> hi frankban, your MP looks good.  i have a question about lines 77 and 78.  they don't seem to be exercised and are unused.  It seems it could be simplified, renamed, and used instead of the lambda at line 84 and at line 98.
[14:14] <frankban> bac: looking
[14:17] <frankban> bac:  they simulate the OSError raised by _load_library (line 30) when the library is not found in the usual location
[14:18] <frankban> bac: this way the except block can be tested by test_host_multiarch_path
[14:19] <frankban> (the except block starting from line 32(
[14:19] <bac> so it is actually being triggered by line 97?
[14:20] <bac> ok, i understand now
[14:20] <frankban> bac: yes, the loader multiarch_loader is called two times, and the first time raises an OSError
[14:23] <frankban> thanks bac
[15:08] <frankban> gary_poster: maybe, in the lxc patch,  I should drop the AGPL header in lp-lxc
[15:08] <frankban> sorry, lxc-ip
[15:10] <gary_poster> frankban, we should do that but I think I need official blessing for that.  Lemme check with flacoste in a sec.  on call now
[15:10] <frankban> gary_poster: lxc uses GNU LGPL, which is quite different.
[15:14] <gary_poster> ack frankban. asked on launchpad-ops.  I think he is on call too
[15:15] <frankban> thanks gary_poster
[19:25] <gary_poster> bac, hey.  Karyn is away & my MIL is here & our baby has a 104.2 fever.  I need to go out and get tylenol for her, and then go to thr dr soon after.  could we have a rain check for tomorrow?
[19:26] <bac> sure.  sorry to hear about the fever.  that's mighty high.
[19:26] <bac> hope she's better soon
[19:26] <gary_poster> thanks bac


[01:25] <olly_> according to the IRD, my important dates are "Error 500: javax.el.ELException: java.lang.NullPointerException "
[01:44] <G> olly_: my calendar says NullPointerException falls onthe 7th of July this year ;)
[01:45] <olly_> oddly enough, that's why I'm visiting the site
[01:47] <G> annoyingly they've processed my IR3 without looking atthe correction I sent them, oh well


[11:05] <djbeirut> after installing mythtv backend yesterday i am suffering from major packet loss on my vps. what can the reason be?


[02:40] <rockerst1r1990> pls help when installing from source...when do i need make install and then when do i use sudo make install??
[02:44] <rockerst1r1990> im having trust issues with this one specific software.lol
[02:44] <rockerst1r1990> pls help when installing from source...when do i need make install and then when do i use sudo make install??
[03:00] <sting84ray> Newbie:  problem with kodi installation. running on linux system not sure now what I did.  but system crashes cannot power off or exit everything is freezing.  I added fusion fresh start and the program does not do anything.  can you help?
[03:01] <sting84ray> hello rimd2r
[08:03] <efloid> i just read about how the leader of kubuntu resigned last year.  kubuntu should be disbanded and people should be redirected to neon.  its not fair because ppl don't know about kubuntu's status
[08:05] <lordievader> I think I heard Riddel himself say that Kubuntu doesn't have a leader, never had one.
[08:26] <valorie> efloid: the *founder* of Kubuntu left
[08:27] <valorie> one of the leaders, yes
[08:27] <valorie> Neon is a different product, for a different set of users
[08:27] <valorie> and i'm a part of both teams, although much more involved in Kub. than neon
[08:28] <valorie> efloid: if you want to know our status, read kubuntu.org, as usual
[08:28] <valorie> you can't make me stop working on kubuntu, LOL
[08:29] <valorie> off to sleep now though
[08:35] <efloid> thank you guys for kubuntu
[08:36] <efloid> i guess kubuntu is the more stable release which makes sense
[08:36] <efloid> its good to have both
[08:36] <efloid> but i wish it would be easier to use the neon archive with yakkety
[08:40] <acheronuk> efloid: That is Neon's choice, insofar as they choose to only build their packages on and for the LTS ubuntu releases
[08:43] <acheronuk> which I can see the logic for, as they are only concerned with new KDE, and building for ubuntu releases that will only be around for 9 months is a lot of effort for no real gain
[09:59] <yossarianuk> Hmm - i'm getting segfaults when trying to use virt-manager for any vm's - i think its nvidia driver related
[09:59] <yossarianuk> i.e virt-manager loads fine, however when I click on a vm (KVM) virft-manager crashes
[10:00] <yossarianuk> virt-manager[21155]: segfault at 80 ip 00007f09e7077285 sp 00007fff0f3c6148 error 6 in libnvidia-eglcore.so.375.20[7f09e63ec000+1649000]
[10:30] <yossarianuk> i'd avoid nvidia 375.20 driver for time being - screen locking also breaks
[10:32] <acheronuk> there are bad reports on it, so I have been avoiding
[10:38] <yossarianuk> yeah, its the most unstable verison in years...
[10:38] <yossarianuk> new version should be out in about a week though
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:27] <hazamonzo> Howdy BluesKaj
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Hey hazamonzo
[11:28] <hazamonzo> Brb
[11:38] <IrcsomeBot1> Kai Sen was removed by: Kai Sen
[11:42] <Hazamonzo1> ugh pain...
[11:42] <Hazamonzo1> Just installed Kubuntu 16.10 on VirtualBox. For whatever reason the keyboard is being picked up okay and I can move the mouse on the guest OS but I can't click / select anything in the Kubuntu UI
[11:43] <Hazamonzo1> However it was working up until a quick restart
[11:43] <Hazamonzo1> Has there been any big changes to the underlying Kubuntu UI that might be cause#ing me issues?
[11:45] <Hazamonzo1> Any thoughts BluesKaj ? :)
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hazamonzo1, no, I'm not much on VMs. They never quite measure up , so I use OSs on real partitions
[12:00] <BluesKaj> less convenience, but I prefer reality
[12:02] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Fair enough
[12:02] <hazamonzo> I kinda have something working now although its a little unstable
[12:11] <yossarianuk> you could try KVM instead - works well aside from proper 3d unless you use passthrough (then its the fast 3d you can get in a vm at present)
[12:11] <yossarianuk> *fastest*
[12:36] <yocs0000> nyone who can help here? firefox behaves very strangely .... every time you install a pacakge which can open a pdf, it changes the association in the browser, even f you have chosen the option to save or "ask always" .... what is wrong with it?
[12:41] <lordievader> Sounds a bit like a system config is being replaced.
[12:43] <yocs0000> lordievader: it is really weirrd, and I found some bugs logged
[12:43] <yocs0000> lordievader: but in the system config, the association is correct .... so it is only firefox association that is screwed
[12:44] <lordievader> Indeed
[12:46] <yocs0000> lordievader: mmmm ....  Besides this is more a topic for #kubuntu-offtopic ;)
[12:53] <yocs0000> lordievader: I mean for kubuntu of course .... non in general.
[12:53] <yocs0000> lordievader: to install on the kubuntu laptop.
[12:53] <lordievader> yocs0000: Yes, but it is not really Kubuntu support ;)
[13:14] <yocs0000> lordievader: the other issue I have is that when I use muon, after I have installed a pacakge the search function does not work anymore
[13:14] <yocs0000> lordievader: whatever I put in the search box return and empty result page
[13:14] <lordievader> I'm sorry, I have no experience with Muon.
[13:14] <yocs0000> lordievader: yes, I do by hands .... but my wife does not
[13:15] <lordievader> yocs0000: What I mean is that I cannot help you...
[13:16] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, that's a bug with muon, I see the same problem, relaunching muon usually solves it
[13:16] <BluesKaj> well, it's not solved , but it's a workaround
[13:20] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: thank you .... yes, at the moment we are rlaunching every time.
[13:23] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, also muon yakes a while to reload the reopos and package lists after using install or removal options, check the progess bar on lower right corner after executing, make sure it's closed before doing another search
[13:23] <BluesKaj> takes a while
[13:23] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: yes, already doing so, but it does not seem to address the issue
[13:24] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, yeah, it's a hit and miss bug
[13:24] <BluesKaj> intermittent
[13:25] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: you are right .... do you know what causes it/
[13:25] <yocs0000> ?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> I wish i did
[13:44] <v100231> Hi, I am trying to install Kubuntu on a notebook with Nvidia 1060 and Intel HD 530 dual graphics. I am able to boot to the install screen with the nomodeset option, but the installer crashes with the message "dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name 1.48 was not provided by any .service files"
[14:18] <petersaints> #fedora-kde
[14:51] <AceKing> I just installed Kubuntu 16.04 on a laptop. I am having trouble with the WiFi not showing up. It is a RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter. I went to this page https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new/issues/134 and followed the directions, but still nothing. Can someone help?
[14:53] <lordievader> AceKing: Is the wireless nic detected?
[14:53] <AceKing> lordievader: No
[14:54] <lordievader> AceKing: Could you pastebin the output of 'sudo lspci -k'?
[14:56] <AceKing> lordievader: https://paste.kde.org/pnf6mf5lf
[14:56] <lordievader> AceKing: Could you pastebin the output of 'sudo iw list'?
[14:57] <AceKing> lordievader: https://paste.kde.org/pp5p5ftzp
[14:58] <lordievader> AceKing: Phy0 is not the RTL?
[14:58] <AceKing> lordievader: I'm sorry, I don't understand the question
[14:59] <lordievader> AceKing: Nevermind, what is the output of 'ip link'?
[15:00] <AceKing> lordievader: https://paste.kde.org/py7mlmn55
[15:13] <lordievader> AceKing: What happens when you run 'sudo ip l s wlo1 up && sudo iw dev wlo1 scan'?
[15:15] <AceKing> lordievader: https://paste.kde.org/p4umbg0ct
[15:15] <lordievader> Allright, I don't see any problem. What is the problem?
[15:17] <AceKing> I cannot get onto WiFi. If I try to put a check in the box for WiFi it sometimes will come up, and most of the time wont.
[15:17] <AceKing> When I first start the laptop, I have no connection unless I hardwire in.
[15:18] <hateball> AceKing: rfkill list
[15:18] <hateball> see if it is hard/soft blocked
[15:19] <hateball> also realtek chipsets are generally terrible
[15:19] <lordievader> hateball: It can scan ;)
[15:19] <lordievader> AceKing: Seems to me it is not activated, does the network manger manage it?
[15:19] <AceKing> https://paste.kde.org/pt3i7kwo1
[15:21] <AceKing> I cannot see it in the network manager. Even when I click the checkbox, it's hit or miss whether or not it comes up.
[15:22] <lordievader> AceKing: Do you see it after you restart the network manager? (sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager; Might interrupt your network connection)
[15:23] <AceKing> lordievader: No
[15:23] <lordievader> AceKing: Interesting, what is in /etc/networking/interfaces?
[15:25] <AceKing> https://paste.kde.org/pfrbkmsay
[15:27] <lordievader> Could you run 'sudo journalctl -u NetworkManager -o cat >/tmp/nm.log' and pastebin the /tmp/nm.log?
[15:29] <AceKing> https://paste.kde.org/povhtnzfk
[15:31] <lordievader> AceKing: Is the ethernet device available under NetworkManager?
[15:31] <AceKing> lordievader: yes
[15:31] <lordievader> AceKing: This is a laptop right?
[15:31] <AceKing> Yes
[15:32] <lordievader> If I read the logs correctly the device wlo1 should be available under the NetworkManager.
[15:32] <lordievader> There is even a succesful connection to 'DS9' logged.
[15:33] <AceKing> It's probably from before we restarted the connection.
[15:33] <AceKing> Sometimes it will connect, and sometimes it wont show at all
[15:33] <lordievader> Are you able to connect right now, or not?
[15:33] <AceKing> No
[15:34] <lordievader> Hmm, does 'sudo iw dev wlo1 scan' give output?
[15:35] <AceKing> command failed: Network is down (-100)
[15:35] <lordievader> Interesting, does it provide output after running 'sudo ip l s wlo1 up'?
[15:36] <AceKing> No
[15:36] <IrcsomeBot1> ortni was removed by: ortni
[15:37] <lordievader> AceKing: Interesting. at 15 minutes ago it was able to.
[15:38] <AceKing> lordievader: I know. And what's funny is I just saw a popup saying that I connectred to DS9, which is my router
[15:38] <lordievader> AceKing: Could you pastebin the output of 'ip a'?
[15:38] <AceKing> lordievader: for the hell of it, I just tried unchecking the WiFi and rechecking it. Lost everything again
[15:38] <lordievader> Hahaha
[15:39] <lordievader> I get the feeling NetworkManager fails in managing the wireless nic properly.
[15:39] <AceKing> https://paste.kde.org/pa7rcqk1w
[15:40] <lordievader> Still in 'down' state.
[15:40] <AceKing> lordievader: if that's the case, is there a fix?
[15:40] <lordievader> 'sudo ip l s wlo1 up' does not change that?
[15:40] <lordievader> AceKing: I think that is the case, I have no proof ;)
[15:41] <AceKing> lordievader: No, didn't change
[15:41] <lordievader> AceKing: Could you rerun the 'sudo rfkill list' command?
[15:43] <AceKing> https://paste.kde.org/pl7lqrzjo
[15:46] <lordievader> Do things happen after 'sudo rfkill unblock all'?
[15:46] <lordievader> Not really sure what that acer-wireless does.
[15:47] <AceKing> Nothing happened after I ran that
[15:47] <lordievader> Didn't become available in NetworkManager?
[15:47] <AceKing> No
[15:48] <lordievader> Hmm
[15:48] <AceKing> And if I try to tick the WiFi box, it hilights for a second, then goes away
[15:51] <lordievader> AceKing: Have you read this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/590414/wifi-problems-with-rtl8723be-in-ubuntu-14-04
[15:52] <AceKing> lordievader: Not that one
[15:53] <lordievader> Might be worth to try out.
[15:53] <AceKing> lordievader: Thank you. I will give that a shot. I appreciate all of your time today
[17:43] <doni> aaaaaaaaaaa
[17:47] <doni> HEEEY
[17:47] <doni> any programer here??
[17:53] <doni> CAN SOMEONE HELP ME !?!?
[18:02] <acheronuk> !ask
[20:00] <mpo42vr> !ops
[20:01] <menace> what is the normative way on kubuntu/kde to send a notification to all users (which are logged in, like with multiseat)?
[20:01] <menace> or as administrator?
[20:01] <mpo42vr> !ops I'm getting spammed with private messages
[20:02] <menace> because kdialog does not work when i am another user or a script
[20:03] <menace> somebody's spamming on freenode?
[20:04] <genii> mpo42vr: Please don't do that unless there's some actual emergency in the channel
[20:04] <menace> i keep getting messages about some ostergard or like that
[20:04] <ikonia> how is that ANYTHING to do with this channel
[20:04] <genii> mpo42vr: Use /ignore theirname
[20:05] <mpo42vr> It is about a user of this channel
[20:05] <mpo42vr> I think you should remove these people
[20:06] <ikonia> it's about a freenode staff member in 50 channels
[20:06] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with this channel
[20:06] <valorie> mpo42vr: please visit #freenode and report it
[20:06] <kloeri> mpo42vr: set umode +R to avoid the spam
[20:06] <ikonia> and you know this - hence why you didn't call the ops in any of the other channels you're in
[20:06] <mpo42vr> freenode staff
[20:06] <mpo42vr> I see
[20:07] <mpo42vr> ikonia: I know this?
[20:07] <ikonia> well you only called the ops in this channels
[20:07] <ikonia> not any of other channels you share with the user in question,
[20:07] <mpo42vr> This is the only channel I'm in
[20:08] <genii> mpo42vr: No, you're also in #freenode, where they are originating
[20:08] <ikonia> doesn't look that way
[20:08] <menace> anyways...
[20:08] <mpo42vr> I just joined because of the span, kids
[20:08] <mpo42vr> You are super smart
[20:09] <mpo42vr> But what do I expect from ikonia
[20:09] <ikonia> you know me ?
[20:09] <ikonia> if so - then you must know how to use the ops trigger properly
[20:10] <mpo42vr> An ikonia special
[23:11] <lenswipee> hi looking for a distro that will run an old computer designed for winXp. suggestions
[23:14] <genii> Puppy
 lubuntu?
[23:45] <lenswipee> hi looking for a distro that will run an old computer designed for winXp. suggestions
[23:49] <valorie> lenswipee: as genii said, try puppy
[23:51] <lenswipee> only puppy?
[23:52] <hggdh> lenswipee: puppy, xubuntu, lubuntu, mint
[23:54] <porlosmuertos> cool
[23:56] <lenswipee> which is the fastest of those 4?
[23:56] <hggdh> lenswipee: your guess. You will need to experiment
[23:58] <lenswipee> im sure that data is avaiable
[23:59] <hggdh> lenswipee: probably, but I do not have it.


[14:15] <cmaloney> morning
[14:16] <cmaloney> waiting for my sim to arrove
[14:30] <rick_h__> woot
[14:30] <cmaloney> waiting for the words "out for delivery"
[14:31] <rick_h__> hah, and then waiting all day from there
[14:31] <cmaloney> yeeeep
[14:44] <cmaloney> Sorting complete. So close.
[14:44] <rick_h__> lol
[14:44]  * rick_h__ says something about watched pots
[14:46] <cmaloney> Heh
[14:46] <cmaloney> Don't judge me
[14:46] <cmaloney> and I get email notifications so it's all good
[14:46] <rick_h__> noooooo, no judging :)
[14:46] <cmaloney> not having to refresh the page.
[14:47] <rick_h__> not that I haven't hit reload on a page a few times a day :P
[14:47] <cmaloney> Oh, I rknow
[14:47] <rick_h__> but it is funny
[14:51] <cmaloney> :)
[15:09] <cmaloney> Out for Delivery! Yay!
[16:38] <rick_h__> yay!
[16:43] <gamerchick02> rick_h__ yay!
[16:43] <gamerchick02> what are we celebrating?
[16:43] <rick_h__> gamerchick02: that cmaloney has things marked "Out for Delivery"
[16:43] <gamerchick02> OH
[16:43] <gamerchick02> YAY!!!
[16:44] <gamerchick02> that's awesome
[17:10] <cmaloney> woo woo!
[17:10] <cmaloney> Not here yet but sooon. Soooooon.
[17:13] <gamerchick02> what did you order cmaloney?
[17:13] <gamerchick02> new hardware?
[17:26] <jrwren> cmaloney: i like your email.
[17:27] <jrwren> cmaloney: i'm hoping the ending is more along the lines of Lady Mary getting stabbed to death by her younger sister, who was sick and tired of her stupidity.
[17:52] <gamerchick02> are we writing Downton fanfic?
[18:44] <jrwren> i guess I was.
[18:44] <jrwren> but 1 sentence only.
[18:44] <jrwren> otherwise i end up writing myself into the story and it ends poorly
[18:51] <_stink_> you kill yourself in all of your fiction?
[19:43] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: new phone
[19:43] <cmaloney> waiting on sim card
[19:43] <cmaloney> jrwren: thats pretty dark
[19:43] <cmaloney> ;)
[19:50] <gamerchick02> YAY new phone
[19:51] <gamerchick02> sorry got lunch/dinner
[19:51] <gamerchick02> or as they could say... linner
[20:10] <jrwren> cmaloney: you know me. Dark.
[20:20] <gamerchick02> dark like the best chocolate? :)
[20:55] <cmaloney> the eagle has landed


[11:38] <sudip> a newbie question - If a package is added to the "lto-disabled-list", then will the package be automatically rebuilt after the "lto-disabled-list" has been updated?
[11:43] <sudip> also, is it preferable to disable from "lto-disabled-list" or from d/rules ?
[18:43] <ginggs> sudip: someone will need to retry the builds after the new lto-disabled-list is published
[18:45] <ginggs> packages in main should ideally be fixed, or LTO disabled in the package
[18:45] <sudip> ginggs: ok, so packages in Universe then go via lto-disabled-list. and how is it handled if I have to disable LTO in a package in Mantic?
[18:46] <ginggs> packages in universe should also ideally be fixed, or failing that, added to lto-disabled-list (to avoid adding delta)
[18:50] <ginggs> sudip: at a guess, i'd say we'd want to "fix" it the same way we fixed it in noble
[18:51] <ginggs> that being said, it doesn't look like we've SRU'd lto-diabled-list in the past
[18:52] <sudip> ginggs: I dont know the fix for Noble yet. There is a segfault when python tries to import, and from the coredump I get bad call flags of _PyExc_SystemError.lto_priv.0. So I disabled LTO in d/rules to test and that worked.
[18:56] <ginggs> sudip: i think we'd want a fix in noble before we SRU.  what is the package in question?
[18:56] <sudip> LP: #1994145
[18:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1994145 in mirage (Ubuntu) "Mirage segfaults immediately when run" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1994145
[18:57]  * sudip has added the stacktrace in the upstream issue
[19:15]  * sudip will check back later what ginggs suggests