[00:10] <bluebomber> I passed LPIC101 at SELF!
[00:11] <bluebomber> Woohoo! :)
[01:43] <ejv> was it hard?
[01:57] <munz> congrats bluebomber! hard?
[03:13] <cjohnston> bluebomber: congrats
[03:14] <bluebomber> Thanks!
[03:14] <bluebomber> Yes. I barely passed o.O
[15:19] <dantalizing> morning
[15:30] <itnet7> morning!
[15:30] <itnet7> cjohnston: I am not sure if I met the guy from Maitland? What's his name or nick?
[15:53] <nigelb> dantalizing: ping
[15:55] <nigelb> dantalizing: do you have comments to add for https://launchpad.net/~dantrevino
[15:55] <nigelb> argh
[15:55] <nigelb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/668555
[15:56] <nigelb> today is bad paste day.
[15:56] <dantalizing> oh i have all kinds of comments for https://launchpad.net/~dantrevino
[15:57] <dantalizing> thx nigelb
[16:01] <itnet7> ROFL
[16:02] <dantalizing> nigelb mhall119 i have a question
[16:02] <dantalizing> oops meeting
[16:02] <dantalizing> bbl
[16:03] <nigelb> sure
[16:03] <nigelb> hehe
[16:35] <dantalizing> nigelb: mhall119 so.... why is some of this stuff not being hosted on something like Google App Engine?  Besides the burning desire to run *on* Ubuntu, and the NIH syndrome, it would be cool to get some of the built in scalability/reliability from GAE.
[16:35] <dantalizing> GAE runs some django-like bastardization
[16:36] <nigelb> dantalizing: well, mainly because of private data.
[16:36] <nigelb> the sponsorship data is private and internal to Canonical.
[16:38] <dantalizing> kinda flimsy, but it was more of a rhetorical question. i didnt figure they'd want to move. and i'm certainly not in a better position than others to determine the "right" way to architect thier stuff
[16:38] <dantalizing> just seems like a good alternative
[16:38] <dantalizing> and probably cheaper
[16:38] <dantalizing> less ubuntu win though
[16:39] <nigelb> yeah
[16:39] <nigelb> but this way we have people who have access to that machine
[16:40] <nigelb> since I've never used GAE, I don't know what kind of access we get when deployed to it
[16:40] <dantalizing> definitely not physical or remote access, but thats kinda the point
[16:40] <dantalizing> throw your app up, scale it
[16:41] <dantalizing> anyway ... just throwing it out there
[16:41] <nigelb> I don't think we've ever had scaling problems
[16:41] <nigelb> Most of our issues were that some things are just wrong.
[16:42] <nigelb> almost all of summit is code hacked together, and then someone prays that it runs
[16:42] <dantalizing> thats the only way to fly
[16:42] <nigelb> Until recently, we didn't event write code for it until a few weeks before UDS ;)
[16:42] <dantalizing> i heard mhall119 was gonna put an api u
[16:42] <dantalizing> up
[16:43] <nigelb> Yeah, I talked to mhall119 about that last night. But realistically, it might not happen this cycle.
[16:43] <dantalizing> because he's a slacker
[16:43] <nigelb> nah, because I'm the summit guy now
[16:43] <dantalizing> oooo
[16:43] <dantalizing> nice
[16:43] <nigelb> and I've got too much on my plate to write an API too in the next 4 - 5 months
[16:43] <dantalizing> congrats/good luck
[16:44] <mhall119> yeah, nigelb was gonna add an API
[16:44] <mhall119> not me
[16:44] <nigelb> If I can find the time, definitely, I'd love to have it.
[16:44] <dantalizing> it should be a requirement for all webapps
[16:44] <nigelb> It would be nice to subscribe to sessions and have notify-osd notify you when the next session is due
[16:44]  * mhall119 hates Mono

[16:45] <nigelb> mhall119: why are you working with Mono?
[16:45] <mhall119> nigelb: can't you do that with the ical + (evolution|thunderbird)?
[16:45] <mhall119> nigelb: attempting to write a quick Tomboy plugin for pastebinit
[16:45] <nigelb> mhall119: personalized icals are hard aren't they?
[16:45] <nigelb> mhall119: Ohhhh, nice
[16:45] <mhall119> nigelb: summit already has personalized icals
[16:47] <nigelb> mhall119: Oh.
[16:47] <nigelb> mhall119: In which case, I can tick that dream as "fulfilled"
[21:39] <Shadowchaser> hello all
[21:48] <Shadowchaser> got a few questions to ask anyone kinda new to ubuntu so still on learning curve
[21:55] <Shadowchaser2> Hello


[01:37] <dashua> kwwii, Ah no worries.  Thx. :)
[03:07] <mrdoob> mac_v: you there?
[05:39] <mac_v> dashua: hmm... you made the border darker , it works but the think the lighter one was better ,can pixmaps be used for the bottom border? to avoid the jagged edge?
[05:39] <mac_v> i think*
[11:18] <mrdoob> good morning
[11:37] <mrdoob> mat_t: so there you have the lit version
[11:38] <mrdoob> Hopefully people can see that there is more on that design than "Oh! it's purple!", and hopefully people will do their own colour version that suit better Ubuntu.
[11:46] <thorwil> mrdoob: your user list is damn sleek and it connects to the background thanks to the well placed shadow. instead of being somewhat of an alien object
[11:48] <mrdoob> :D
[11:48] <mrdoob> yeah, shadows make things easier
[11:48] <mrdoob> than spotlights
[11:50] <mrdoob> I'm not 100% happy with it how the panel looks tho, not totally resolved
[11:50] <mrdoob> but it can be worked out
[11:53] <thorwil> last time i tried to open a psd in gimp it wasn't possible at all
[11:53] <thorwil> but this one opens in gimp 2.6.6
[11:54] <thorwil> as result i mainly see green from Layer 4 and a mix of elements, though
[11:56] <thorwil> mrdoob: is Layer 4 supposed to have some special layer mode / effect applied to it?
[11:57] <mrdoob> uh, I can't remember which one it is, and I don't have photoshop here :S
[11:57] <mrdoob> plus, gimp doesn't have folders
[11:57] <mrdoob> (as far as I know)
[11:57] <mrdoob> I usually only name folders
[11:58] <mrdoob> how the he..
[11:58] <mrdoob> ok ok, I'll leave gimp alone
[11:58] <thorwil> yes. that's why i ask, because i can only guess a feature that gimp can't map was used
[11:59] <thorwil> Layer 4 is just a complete fill in olive green with some variation in the middle and top right
[11:59] <mrdoob> ah
[11:59] <mrdoob> yes
[11:59] <mrdoob> that's supposed to be like that
[11:59] <mrdoob> It's just a texture
[12:00] <mrdoob> to give some colours
[12:00] <mrdoob> it's supposed to be used in overlay or something like that
[12:00] <mrdoob> that was originally a sand picture
[12:00] <mrdoob> that I blurred a lot
[12:01] <mrdoob> It should be bigger (if you move it to the left)
[12:11] <mat_t> mrdoob: hi
[12:12] <AnAnt> Hello, is there an intention to make a theme for new GDM in ubuntu ?
[12:12] <mat_t> AnAnt: yes, we're just about to start working on it
[12:13] <mat_t> mrdoob: I love the depth and the gdm styling, the bg color is "a bit" over the top :)
[12:15] <mat_t> mrdoob: would be nice to see a version with a more gentle background
[12:15] <thorwil> i'm working on one
[12:15] <AnAnt> mat_t: is there a repository or wiki that I can look at ?
[12:16] <mat_t> AnAnt: are you interesting in helping with technical implementation or design?
[12:17] <AnAnt> mat_t: I want to make a theme, but I dunno how
[12:17] <mat_t> thorwil: great
[12:17] <AnAnt> mat_t: what do you  mean by technical implementation ?
[12:18] <mat_t> AnAnt: I'd probably ask thorwil or mac_v to help you get started
[12:18] <AnAnt> thorwil: is your work available online ?
[12:19]  * mat_t > lunch
[12:19] <AnAnt> I want to know how to make a theme for new GDM
[12:19] <thorwil> AnAnt: are you familiar with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?
[12:20] <mrdoob> mat_t: I'm not going to do anything more. Feel free to play with gimp/photoshop to reach a version that you like.
[12:20] <AnAnt> thorwil: ah, looking at it now, thanks
[12:21] <mrdoob> mat_t: but glad to know you liked the style
[12:23] <AnAnt> thorwil: these are just mockups, right ?
[12:23] <thorwil> yes
[12:27] <AnAnt> thorwil: aren't there any actual themes that I can take as an example ?
[12:29] <AnAnt> usplash isn't used at startup anymore ?
[12:30] <thorwil> AnAnt: sure. but i'm not sure about changes and incompatibilities between the used gdm versions
[12:31] <AnAnt> thorwil: where can I get them ?
[12:31] <thorwil> AnAnt: can't help you with that
[12:32] <AnAnt> well, is there a wiki where I get info how to make a theme for new GDM ?
[12:34] <thorwil> AnAnt: i would simply search for gdm documentation and check whether it applies to the version that will be shipped with karmic
[12:36] <mac_v> AnAnt: AFAIK the new theme is not very customizable , it is hardcoded
[12:36] <mac_v> gdm *
[12:37] <AnAnt> mac_v: ah, you mean those themes will be hardcoded into GDM ?
[12:37] <AnAnt> so branding won't be easy
[12:39] <mac_v> AnAnt: the gdm code had been changed more than a year ago by upstream, ubuntu had not implemented the new gdm to allow users select the themes , the gdm graphical tool is being done as an ubuntu initiative > Bug #395299
[12:40] <mac_v> AnAnt: so users, as of now, wont be able to easily toggle gdm themes
[12:40] <AnAnt> mac_v: aha, thanks
[12:41] <AnAnt> mac_v: does that also apply to boot splash ? I read on this wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot), that it won't be usplash, but rather X based
[12:43] <mac_v> AnAnt: yes default is only xsplash ,  but you can change it ;) to usplash if you want , the xplash coding isnt fully clear ... BTW, what is it you are actually looking for?
[12:44] <mac_v> AnAnt: changing only for personal use ? or to make themes for users?
[12:46] <AnAnt> mac_v: for users
[12:46] <AnAnt> mac_v: I'm working on a distro based on Ubuntu
[12:48] <mac_v> AnAnt: if you want to change the default for your distro , you could do that , but the users selecting/changing the themes for gdm is not easy ; xsplash i'm not sure
[12:50] <mac_v> AnAnt: which distro, may i ask ?
[12:50] <AnAnt> sabily
[12:51] <AnAnt> mac_v: so, how can I change boot splash from xplash to usplash ?
[12:52] <mac_v> AnAnt: i'm not sure of that, most of others here wouldnt know the technical details either , you could ask #ubuntu+1 ,someone might know
[12:53] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[12:53] <mac_v> AnAnt: my guess would be just replace xsplash with usplash
[12:53] <mac_v> np
[12:54] <mac_v> mrdoob: gave up on the boot ? ;p
[13:25] <mat_t> mrdoob: no worries, thanks a lot for your input!
[13:28] <mac_v> mat_t: could you add some intro to this page? as to how it should be directed and stuff > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Login
[13:37] <thorwil> http://www.blendernation.com/tutorial-painting-time-lapse-by-david-revoy/
[13:38] <mat_t> mac_v: there you go
[13:39] <mac_v> mat_t: thanx :)
[13:40] <mac_v> mat_t: you might wanna inform the mailing list about this page, to get more ideas
[13:41]  * mac_v going to be killed soon ;p
[13:44] <mrdoob1> mac_v: no no, haven't give up the boot. It's just that I have other things to do, learning Android/OpenGL ES at the moment :D
[13:44] <mrdoob1> mat_t: you're welcome, I hope I was any use
[14:23] <thorwil> mac_v: i said you should talk with mat_t, not get him to do all the work ;)
[14:24] <mac_v> thorwil: sssh!
[14:24] <mac_v> :0
[14:25] <mac_v> thorwil: actually i didnt know what direction he would want :( , also the mail to the list is out of my league
[14:47] <mat_t> thorwil: that was just ctrl+v, not to worry :)
[14:50]  * mac_v was feeling bad for over-burdening mat_t :/
[14:50] <mac_v> hmm...
[14:53]  * SiDi yawns
[14:54]  * mat_t does not undertake any tasks that actually involve work
[14:54] <mat_t> (with few exceptions)
[14:54] <SiDi> like, when it's Canonical who asks ? :P
[14:57] <mac_v> mat_t: could you send the mail to the list about the gdm ideas? :)
[14:57]  * mat_t has a bit of a weak spot for sabdfl, true
[14:57] <mat_t> mac_v: no
[14:57] <mac_v> ah well...
[14:57] <mat_t> ;)
[14:58] <mat_t> mac_v: I'll get kwwii to do some work when he gets back from his undeserved holidays
[14:58] <mac_v> lol
[14:59] <mac_v> mat_t: he was here yesterday
[14:59] <SiDi> mat_t: we can manage to not let him leave France, and then you're forced to work
[15:00] <mat_t> SiDi: sounds great
[15:07] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mrdoob_07_tw_splash.png
[15:08] <SiDi> That's... bright
[15:09]  * thorwil wonders if SiDi is, too
[15:09] <mac_v> thorwil: needs more shadow
[15:09] <mac_v> for the logo
[15:11] <mrdoob> thorwil: maybe you should put your iteration under the comments to avoid confusion
[15:12] <mrdoob> interesting edit by the way
[15:12] <mrdoob> a shame the throbber (however it's spelled) is lost in the f0f0f0 range :S
[15:13] <thorwil> mrdoob: dang, i actually meant to place that after the comments
[15:13] <mrdoob> :]
[15:15] <mrdoob> a benefit of using only black/grey version of the logo
[15:16] <mrdoob> is that the integration with the environment is cheap, if you think about light refraction
[15:16] <mrdoob> in your design the logo perhaps doesn't fit much because the environment doesn't get affected by it
[15:16] <mac_v> thorwil: hehe... i think the boot fits perfectly for mint linux
[15:17] <mrdoob> meaning this: http://graphics.ucsd.edu/~henrik/images/imgs/cbox_spectral.jpg
[15:18] <thorwil> mrdoob: i tried all white. didn't work. all black is too harsh
[15:18] <thorwil> mrdoob: there actually is slight coloration from the background on the logo
[15:18] <thorwil> mrdoob: you wouldn't see much in the other direction with real objects in such a setting
[15:19] <mrdoob> well on the bottom
[15:19] <mrdoob> actually
[15:19] <mrdoob> I should have also shared the 3D file I did for generating the background...
[15:19] <mat_t> thorwil: uh, everything but green please... :)
[15:19] <mrdoob> what's with the competition with Mint?
[15:20] <thorwil> mat_t: no lighter brown tones, no orange, no yellow. no purple or pink. to cold tones and now also no green
[15:20] <thorwil> great
[15:20] <mrdoob> haha
[15:21] <mrdoob> mat_t: sounds like a proper client
[15:21] <mat_t> :)
[15:21] <mrdoob> thorwil: an idea I had to avoid all the colour bullshit thing would be to make it multicolour
[15:21] <mrdoob> something like this
[15:21] <mrdoob> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/UbuntuColorsIcons?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=themesthumb.png
[15:22] <mrdoob> more subtle of course
[15:23] <thorwil> mrdoob: i have been a proponent of a 2 or 3 tone approach since long. actually my edit contains green, beige and blue tones
[15:24] <mrdoob> ops... str_replace("buillshit","annoyance");
[15:24] <thorwil> mrdoob: no, it was right and now is wrong ;)
[15:25] <mrdoob> haha
[15:25] <mrdoob> svn revert
[15:26] <thorwil> i thought a bit about a non-center position for the logo. golden section. following account selection would be tricky to layout, though
[15:27] <mrdoob> that is tricky if you don't have much control of the target resolution
[15:27] <thorwil> mrdoob: you mentioned a 3d file. blender?
[15:27] <mrdoob> center is safe
[15:27] <mrdoob> thorwil: unfortunatelly 3dsmax :(
[15:28] <mrdoob> I could have done it in blender, I haven't used to it yet, can I import .svg to blender?
[15:28] <thorwil> yes
[15:29] <mrdoob> uhm, right, I wasted more time installing illustrator for converting the .svg to .ai and then importing on .max than learning blender and importing .svg
[15:29] <mrdoob> :(
[15:29] <thorwil> not sure about that
[15:29] <thorwil> first steps into blender are hard
[15:29] <mrdoob> but it isn't much, it's a wall/floor with round connection
[15:30] <mrdoob> and 3 lights
[15:30] <mrdoob> at first I had the logo in 3d too, but I redid then I rendered the background alone and redid the logo/shadow on photoshop
[15:30] <mrdoob> to have more control
[15:31] <thorwil> just yesterday i started to do the same in blender
[15:32] <thorwil> light setup showed to be tricky
[15:32] <thorwil> have to cut and get other things done :/
[15:37] <mrdoob> know the feeling :)
[16:17] <mrdoob> natewiebe13: hello
[16:17] <natewiebe13> hey
[16:21] <mrdoob> how did you ended up doing the video?
[16:23] <natewiebe13> blender
[16:23] <natewiebe13> haha
[16:24] <natewiebe13> i didnt care about quality, just about getting the point across
[16:40] <mrdoob> natewiebe13: oh, didn't know blender could do that
[16:40] <mrdoob> the problem is, I don't think you make it clear enough to show your point
[16:40] <mrdoob> the boot eats 80% of your video
[16:40] <mrdoob> and that's the fastes boot I did
[16:41] <mrdoob> so your part goes too fast and is hard to understand what you're trying to communicate
[16:41] <mrdoob> (I think)
[16:57] <natewiebe13> i know.. i havent had time to change it yet.. i had 10 minutes to throw something together and throw it up
[16:58] <natewiebe13> when i have time. im going to redo it
[17:01] <mrdoob> cool
[17:11] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[17:23] <natewiebe13> mrdoob: have you seen MadsRH edit to your iteration 6?
[17:24] <mrdoob> yep
[17:24] <mrdoob> I'm starting to think that it's way to saturated
[17:33] <natewiebe13> a bit, but it think that the ubuntu logo needs to be colored and not just black
[17:33] <natewiebe13> kind of like thorwil's edit
[17:33] <natewiebe13> but i very much like the mockup
[17:34] <mrdoob> :)
[19:58] <natewiebe13> mac_v: i like your splash's
[19:59] <natewiebe13> mac_v: but i think you should do an orange one.. MadsRH's is too dark/saturated, if you were to do an orange one.. i think it would be the best.. but good job btw.
[20:07] <mac_v> natewiebe13: mat said he didnt want tan or brown  , and orange falls a bit close , anyway ,if the design team wants to do an orange one the surely could do one , but they seems to have some other plans
[20:08] <natewiebe13> yeah.. i really dont like what they've been spitting out
[20:08] <natewiebe13> madsrh and mrdoob have the best ones (also said by many comments) why dont they just listen to the community?


[01:40] <StudioUser33> i have a kernal question which may be stupid but here goes. im running ubuntu studio 22.04.3 LTS is is it possible to upgrade to the newest lowlatency kernal safely.
[01:43] <Eickmeyer> StudioUser33: The newest lowlatency kernel in the repos, and you should have it if you've upgraded.
[01:45] <StudioUser33> see heres the thing im running 5.15 cause 5.19 has some kinda issue and i cant boot using it. but i was thinking if i could upgrade to 6 then maybe it would be ok
[01:46] <StudioUser33> i know lts isnt on 6 but if i couold use the 6month release cycle kernal then maybe that would be a route i could explore
[01:47] <StudioUser33> sorry the 9month
[01:49] <StudioUser33> like i said tho might be a stupid question but i was curious
[01:51] <Eickmeyer> StudioUser33: linux-lowlatency-hwe should be in the repos.
[01:51] <Eickmeyer> That should get you 6.2.
[01:57] <StudioUser33> its been a while i just wanna make sure. so run sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency-hwe-6.2
[01:58] <StudioUser33> thanks for ya help it was much appreciated
[22:46] <spectacular> hello, I have a fairly new laptop, only about 2 months old (MSI Raider GE76 HX 13V).  I put Ubuntu Studio on it - 23.04. It was working absolutely perfectly. Then, presumably because of a routine upgrade which gave it a different kernel (?) the audio from the internal speakers has completely stopped working. earphones plugged into the earphone jack, or via bluetooth, work perfectly. But nothing I try fixes this
[22:46] <spectacular> problem with the speakers. Very frustrating since I remember this laptop had amazing sound! And it died just when I needed it, too!


[00:22] <dhaker> help
[04:20] <mup> Bug #1591142 changed: snapd leaks files in /tmp <Snappy:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591142>
[04:20] <mup> Bug #1604356 changed: symlink creation over and over on install, creates file too long situation <Snappy:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604356>
[08:31] <lifeless> whats the right place to report bugs on images? specifically the generic amd64 image doesn't boot under hyper0v
[14:34] <mup> PR snapd#2358 closed: tests: decrease the number of expected featured apps <Created by fgimenez> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2358>
[15:44] <eekfonky> I have just taken the plunge to install snappy on my Pi3. How do I make Docker start at boot and where can I edit the fstab to mount my external HD?
[15:49] <Chipaca> lifeless: i think that's lp:snappy still
[15:49] <Chipaca> eekfonky: docker should start on boot automatically
[15:50] <Chipaca> eekfonky: i'm not sure about mounting. Probably easiest is to drop a .mount unit in /etc/systemd/system
[15:51] <Chipaca> eekfonky: if this were a device you were building, i think it's the kind of thing that goes in the gadget.yaml
[15:56] <eekfonky> Cool, So Docker is sorted (although I have to use sudo and cannot do a usermod -aG) As for mounting I think it goes in the /writable section, but I don't want to tamper with it in case I break it
[15:59] <eekfonky> Do I need to add another fstab in /writable? or make a soft link? Is there a procedure for this? I am not sure how to write a .mount for the /etc/systemd/system. I know how to add a service like NZBget but mounting a drive...any advice?


[17:15] <ikmaak> ubports for pinephone works great, it just blocks the screen with a swiping tooltip that does only let me in again temporarily after logging in again
[17:18] <ikmaak> i just disabled unlocking with password, and now i am really stuck :P
[17:21] <ikmaak> it stopped, dunno why


[04:29] <Unit193> slangasek: But alas it is needed for Ed25519 keys in net-ssh.  Anywho, you can sync the package now if you'd like.
[04:31] <slangasek> Unit193: done, thanks
[04:31] <Unit193> As I said, thank *you*
[10:48] <doko> xnox: are you aware of anything which needs given back for numpy installability?
[10:51] <xnox> doko, i was only aware that cython is broken and needs to be rebuilt somehow; the rest should just work
[10:52] <xnox> doko, and it looks like you are fixing cython
[10:53] <doko> right
[11:08] <jamespage> doko: that dep8 failure for defusedxml looks like a similar timeout issue I hit with OVS - resubmitted test jobs will keep an eye on them
[12:15] <LocutusOfBorg> people, vlc-3 master-daily ppa is FIXED. please use and test, and bother to me in case you are not happy with it
[12:15] <LocutusOfBorg> https://code.launchpad.net/~videolan/+recipe/master-daily
[12:16] <LocutusOfBorg> I fixed it some days ago, but today I would like to have some broader feedback if possible
[12:21] <LargePrime> hello regarding https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/libgnutls30 gnutls version is 3.6
[12:22] <LargePrime> http://gnutls.org/news.html has had updates for almost a year
[12:22] <LargePrime> how can i help get gnutls updated?
[12:23] <LargePrime> sorry ubuntu version s 3.5.6.  latest is 3.5.15
[12:23] <juliank> LargePrime: What's your need for an update?
[12:23] <LargePrime> bug fixed.  gnutls has a tls bug
[12:24] <LargePrime> juliank,
[12:24] <juliank> There are always two options: Backport the bug fix or (if the update is not too invasive and bug fix only) update to a later bug fix release.
[12:24] <juliank> But the latter needs far more convincing than the former
[12:25] <juliank> Or well, it might get stuck for months because it's a big update nobody wants to review or something
[12:25] <LargePrime> do you mind explaining why one would back port a bug fix for a bug fix of the same version
[12:26] <ogra_> LargePrime, do you have the CVE number for the bug ?
[12:26] <juliank> LargePrime: The less stuff you change the less stuff you can break.
[12:26] <LargePrime> um, checking ogra_
[12:27] <juliank> Also less stuff to review.
[12:27] <ogra_> (there were definitely quite a bunch of CVE fixes to the package)
[12:27] <juliank> There was a security update in June corresponding to 3.5.13
[12:27] <juliank> there were no reported security issues since then
[12:29] <ogra_> yeah https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3318-1/
[12:29] <juliank> A good first step would be upgrading artful from 3.5.8 to 3.5.15
[12:29] <LargePrime> https://gitlab.com/gnutls/gnutls/issues/223
[12:31] <LargePrime> wat do
[12:31] <juliank> So, pick the relevant commits out of there, put them into patch files, prepare an update with that for artful, and then it can be updated in zesty as well.
[12:33] <juliank> Or merge 3.5.15 from debian unstable to artful
[12:33] <juliank> and then cherry-pick the commits into zesty
[12:33] <juliank> 4 commits, even, https://gitlab.com/gnutls/gnutls/merge_requests/433/commits
[12:34] <juliank> ehm, https://gitlab.com/gnutls/gnutls/merge_requests/434
[12:34] <juliank> A first step is to write a bug report in launchpad :)
[12:35] <juliank> Preferably directly following the template at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#SRU_Bug_Template
[12:37] <juliank> I'm not sure if a new 3.5.x release would qualify for zesty, it depends on if you consider "Added support for IDNA2008 for internationalized DNS names." from 3.5.9 a feature or a bug fix I guess.
[12:38] <Odd_Bloke> artful is in feature freeze now, so you'd also have to determine it there as well.
[12:39] <juliank> and of course it's a critical piece of software, so cherry-picking individual commits seems like a more sensible choice.
[12:39] <juliank> Odd_Bloke: true
[12:46] <juliank> Debian fixed the bug in question in 3.5.8-5+deb9u3
[12:47] <juliank> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-gnutls/gnutls.git/commit/?h=gnutls28_09_stretch&id=aebb4e1b78758d6395e17a3137f2c67a2fb7a334
[12:51] <LargePrime> does that mean i still should file a bug report?
[12:51] <juliank> LargePrime: Yes, of course, without a bug report, there can be no update to a stable release :)
[12:52] <juliank> The patches from Debian apply to zesty, so it seems fairly trivial
[12:53] <juliank> We should also pick the AES GCM breakage on aarch64 as in https://gitlab.com/gnutls/gnutls/commit/228b18dfbf934d8924d3305dc24d7b0162352eba
[12:56] <juliank> LargePrime: Let me know the bug number then, I might just take care of this
[12:57] <LargePrime> kk
[13:01] <LargePrime> Timeout error
[13:01] <LargePrime> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[13:01] <LargePrime> We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience.
[13:01] <LargePrime> Trying again in a couple of minutes might work.
[13:01] <LargePrime> (Error ID: OOPS-11dfb04dc9e16f2f531d539566a9206c)
[13:04] <cjwatson> when it says "try again in a couple of minutes", it's correct
[13:04] <cjwatson> (this is a known occasional issue that generally goes away within 10 minutes or so)
[13:05] <juliank> launchpad is the only service I know that times out a lot
[13:06] <juliank> well, a lot is probably below 10%, but still
[13:06] <juliank> It's more fun if it times out during autopkgtests and breaks them :D
[13:07] <cjwatson> it's a long way under 10% :)
[13:07] <juliank> cjwatson: Maybe it's about 1%?
[13:08] <cjwatson> most other services just let pages take forever to render and degrade service for everyone else; timing out is a deliberate strategy to avoid that (though obviously any timeout is a bug)
[13:09] <cjwatson> we issue about 800 timeouts a day at the moment
[13:11] <LargePrime> happened again.  i have to re do the bug each time, right?
[13:11] <cjwatson> back button doesn't retrieve it?  usually does for me
[13:13] <juliank> cjwatson: I mostly use Google and Facebook services, so it's not really an accurate representation of normally scaling services :D
[13:13] <LargePrime> "libgnutls30" does not exist in Ubuntu. Please choose a different package. If you're unsure, please select "I don't know"
[13:13] <LargePrime> um
[13:13] <juliank> LargePrime: It's gnutls28
[13:13] <juliank> there's some weird naming going on there
[13:13] <cjwatson> unless our stats are egregiously lying to me, that's <0.01% of requests timing out
[13:15] <juliank> 99.99% availability seems OK
[13:15] <LargePrime> what is the cli ubuntu pastebin ?
[13:15] <cjwatson> pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:15] <rbasak> LargePrime: pastebinit
[13:16] <LargePrime> cause i have libgnutls30
[13:16] <cjwatson> libgnutls30 is a binary package produced by the gnutls28 source package
[13:16] <cjwatson> bugs are grouped by source package
[13:18] <cjwatson> LP's search widget next to "in what package did you find this bug?" will find gnutls28 for you, though
[13:18] <LargePrime> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnutls28/+bug/1714506
[13:19] <LargePrime> juliank,
[13:19] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/tmp/gnutls28-search.png
[13:19] <LargePrime> assuming it gets patched, how soon would it be pushed out?
[13:20] <juliank> LargePrime: a few weeks
[13:20] <juliank> at the earliest
[13:20] <LargePrime> great
[13:20] <LargePrime> i guess i could build it?
[13:21] <juliank> LargePrime: I mean, the update goes into -proposed early, you can then install it from there and it needs to be validated to enter the normal -updates thing
[13:21] <juliank> There's a mandatory period of 7 days from proposed to updates
[13:22] <juliank> (IIRC)
[13:22] <juliank> also needs manual review for being accepted into -proposed which probably won't happen this week
[13:23] <cjwatson> security updates may take a different route though
[13:25] <juliank> cjwatson: Yes, but that's not security related
[13:25] <juliank> cjwatson: Well, not a security update
[13:25] <cjwatson> OK
[13:25] <juliank> It's a "cannot connect to server" kind of update
[13:29] <juliank> So, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnutls28/+bug/1707172 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnutls28/+bug/1714506
[13:31] <juliank> I'm not happy with the AES256-GCM one the test is to run yes in gnome-terminal and wait for it to crash
[13:36] <juliank> found the original bug report with a better test case :D
[13:50] <xnox> doko, infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1714514 is this known?
[13:51] <juliank> Hmm is there a way to mark a macro that expands to an attribute as deprecated in gcc?
[13:51] <juliank> APT_CONST expands to __attribute__((pure)) now, but I'd also like a pragma or something that says "hey, APT_CONST is deprecated, use APT_PURE instead."
[13:52] <juliank> Maybe __attribute__((pure)) _Pragma("Use APT_PURE")?
[13:53] <juliank> Ehm, _Pragma("GCC warning \"Use APT pure\"")
[13:54] <doko> xnox: no, is using -C a real world example?
[13:54] <xnox> doko, yes, unfortunately.
[13:55] <xnox>  509      AC_MSG_WARN([Default pre-processing command '$CPP' do not preserve
[13:55] <xnox>  510                     comments. Please define an appropriate pre-processor
[13:55] <xnox>  511                   with --with-cpp, or you will only be able to use ACSL
[13:55] <xnox>  512                   annotations in already pre-processed files])
[13:55] <xnox> it's this frama-c thing this is analysis tool crazy thing
[13:55] <doko> juliank: isn't gnome using some depracted thing for functions? maybe have a look at glib or gtk
[13:55] <xnox> doko, i will try to work around this issue, as i don't think it needs -C whilst building a file that includes math.h
[13:55] <xnox> doko, but this works on all other arches =/
[13:55] <juliank> doko: Probably __attrribute__((deprecated)) but I want to mark the macro as deprecated, not the function using the macro :(
[13:56] <juliank> But the pragma seems to work
[13:57] <doko> ahh, ok
[14:42] <doko> jamespage: left a comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xclip/+bug/1713617
[14:45] <jamespage> doko: ta
[14:46] <LargePrime> juliank, thanks
[14:50] <doko> jamespage: pyperclip doesn't run tests for python3
[14:50] <seb128> bdmurray, I +1ed https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/update-notifier/ngettext-livepatch/+merge/329982 but I'm going to let you handle the merge/upload if it's fine?
[14:51] <seb128> bdmurray, the code is fine, I'm just not going to get to handle the vcs/upload this week
[14:56] <doko> coreycb, rbasak: highlighing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libssh2/+bug/173783  because ubuntu-security-bugs and ubuntu-server are a bug subscriber
[14:58] <doko> nmap has an embedded ssh2 copy anyway
[15:43] <coreycb> doko: was that meant for me?
[15:43] <doko> coreycb: if you are ubuntu-server, yes
[15:44] <nacc> doko: coreycb is not :)
[15:46] <coreycb> doko: i'm a member. i just wasn't sure if it was meant for security team.
[15:47] <doko> coreycb, nacc: both teams are subscribed, I just want to at least ONE party involved, not no party
[15:47] <coreycb> doko: thanks
[15:59] <rbasak> niedbalski: looking at bug 1657256. Is there a bug filed against Percona with the patches you're applying here please?
[15:59] <rbasak> Percona upstream I mean.
[16:09] <niedbalski> rbasak, there is no, as power isn't an official architecture supported by percona upstream, they just support intel.
[16:12] <rbasak> niedbalski: then could you please link instead to their rejection of the patches or some published general rejection policy from them? Then the question will be answered to anyone trying to find the upstream bug link.
[16:12] <rbasak> niedbalski: also it just FTBFS. Please could you take a look?
[16:13] <Mmike> rbasak, it's mentioned here: https://www.percona.com/services/support/mysql-support/supported-platforms
[16:13] <Mmike> rbasak, last line: "All hardware platforms are i686 and x86_64 only."
[16:13] <Mmike> percona only cares about intel
[16:13] <rbasak> Mmike: that doesn't say "we will reject patches regarding other architectures" however.
[16:14] <rbasak> "Enterprise and Premier Percona MySQL Support includes the option for additional operating systems support"
[16:14] <rbasak> Mmike: that suggests they would be happy to accept patches for other platforms, since some of their customers are paying for support for those.
[16:14] <Mmike> rbasak, I think we tried that in the past, there are some bugs from pxc-5.5 in trusty, we had similar conversations then...
[16:14] <Mmike> sec, I can ping someone on #percona to point me to proper documentation about that
[16:14] <rbasak> In any case, please just leave a public paper trail of their rejection.
[16:15] <rbasak> If it isn't in a public policy, then just submit the patches publicly and link to that. They can reject as they wish.
[16:15] <niedbalski> rbasak, OK, i will do that, submit and link a reference to it.
[16:15] <rbasak> I don't think pre-empting that with "they won't accept them" is acceptable unless there's some publicly available citation in support of that statement.
[16:15] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:17] <rbasak> I'm not trying to create pain for you every time. If they reject once saying they don't support ppc64el, then that's fine. Every future time you need to patch, you could just copy and paste a link to that statement from them.
[16:17] <niedbalski> rbasak, makes perfect sense to me.
[16:18] <rbasak> Thanks. To be clearer, I should've said "saying they don't *accept patches for ppc64el-specific bugs*".
[16:18] <rbasak> Since "support" is quite an overloaded term and doesn't necessarily mean that.
[16:19] <niedbalski> rbasak, FTBFS seems related to compiler warnings that weren't enabled before (?), doesn't seems related to the patch itself, might be related a recent bump in gcc versions?
[16:20] <rbasak> niedbalski: yeah. A gcc transition happened I hear :-/
[16:21] <rbasak> I'm interested to hear what this channel think. In general I think that compiler warnings intended for upstreams and that don't represent real bugs being turned to errors isn't appropriate for distributions.
[16:22] <niedbalski> rbasak, I am quite sure that this will break the build regardless of the patch, trying a pristine build.
[16:22] <rbasak> niedbalski: agreed. Seems likely.
[16:23] <rbasak> I think a minimal distro patch that stops warning->error for non-bugs is OK to fix this. The challenge is to make sure it doesn't overreach such that it accidentally suppresses real problems (now or in the future).
[16:24] <rbasak> niedbalski: you might find https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid3/3.5.23-5ubuntu1 helpful - ahasenack had to fix squid3 for similar reasons.
[16:28] <niedbalski> rbasak, ok the pristine build of the package also fails , so any subsequent rebuild of percona will break.
[16:28] <niedbalski> rbasak, what's your suggested approach for this?
[16:33] <rbasak> niedbalski: sorry I pre-empted your test a bit. The last two lines I just said :)
[16:38] <rbasak> slangasek: could you accept Xenial NEW certbot-related packages with your AA hat please? Or do you consider my SRU hat acceptable for that? No idea about actual ACLs but Launchpad's UI suggests that I can.
[16:38] <rbasak> I've just double checked the certbot packages in Xenial's queue (both new and unapproved) and I think they're ready for proposed.
[16:39] <rbasak> The ones in unapproved should go last.
[16:39] <rbasak> (not strictly required but that we can back out more easily if the stuff in NEW is rejected)
[16:39] <rbasak> So python-certbot, python-certbot-nginx and python-certbot-apache from NEW please.
[16:41] <rbasak> bmw: sorry I've been slow in getting round to this. I need an Ubuntu archive admin to release the packages (as they're technically new due to the project rename). I hadn't requested it as I wanted to double check everything first - now done.
[16:41] <rbasak> (see above)
[16:43] <slangasek> rbasak: can you give me a list of the packages by name that are "certbot-related", or a bug # that has all the relevant bug tasks?  I'm fine policy-wise you using your SRU hat to accept new packages that are already in later series; however last I knew the acl didn't actually allow it
[16:43] <slangasek> rbasak: (that's why folks who process kernel SRUs have an honorary AA bit)
[16:46] <bmw> rbasak: no problem
[16:46] <bmw> thanks for the update and moving things along
[16:54] <kasperi> hi, is that gnome shell theme that was shown in didirocks blog coming to ubuntu 17.10?
[16:54] <kasperi> https://didrocks.fr/2017/08/25/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-8/
[16:55] <rbasak> slangasek: bug 1640978, for xenial new, just python-certbot, python-certbot-nginx and python-certbot-apache from NEW please.
[17:00] <niedbalski> rbasak, ok, I will address the build errors via a different LP bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/percona-xtradb-cluster-5.6/+bug/1714554) , proposing a patch for suppressing the warning->errors inducted by the new gcc version, so you can continue working on bug 1657256 subsequently. is that ok for you?
[17:01] <rbasak> bmw: BTW, did you mention that you had an amendment to the test script you suggested? Feel free to amend https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/Certbot/TestScript, or alternatively feel free to maintain that somewhere else (eg. in an upstream repo). I intentionally didn't formally make that part of our exception so that it can be tweaked easily.
[17:01] <rbasak> If you move it we can link to the new location instead.
[17:15] <slangasek> rbasak: and you've already checked that the delta between later releases and what's uploaded to xenial is sane? (so I can just rubber stamp this?)
[17:29] <rbasak> slangasek: yes. I scripted the generation of it, and nacc reviewed the generating for me.
[17:30] <slangasek> rbasak: ok (and surprisingly, sru-review actually gave me a diff).  accepted
[17:30] <rbasak> Thanks! FTR, the backport generation scripts are at https://anonscm.debian.org/git/letsencrypt/python-certbot.git/tree/?h=rbasak-guest/backport-tools
[17:47] <bmw> rbasak: apparently I don't have permission to edit the TestScript page
[17:48] <bmw> if we can land my edits and continue hosting it there that's preferable to me, otherwise, I can host it somewhere
[18:05] <slangasek> bmw: edit rights should only require you to log in, no special privileges beyond that
[18:08] <bmw> slangasek: I am logged in but at the top of the page it says "Immutable Page" and if I choose "Load" from the Action dropdown and try to upload a new version, it says I am not allowed
[18:09] <slangasek> curious
[18:19] <rbasak> bmw: you may need to belong to some special Launchpad group. I know there have been spam issues in the past.
[18:20] <rbasak> bmw: would you mind asking in #canonical-sysadmin please? Give them your Launchpad ID, etc. I'll happily lurk there and help out if needed.
[18:20] <rbasak> "special Launchpad group" -> "I'm not a spammer" group. If so I'm sure we can get you added :)
[18:22] <bmw> will do!
[18:24] <niedbalski> rbasak, ^^
[21:10] <smoser> slangasek, i'd appreciate input on https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+git/initramfs-tools/+merge/330043
[21:11] <smoser> theres 2 things there... a.) general support for functional dns in initramfs after dhcp
[21:11] <smoser> b.) non-tested attempt to write netplan configs from the 'ipconfig' otuput files... thus affecting the real-root network configuration from the initramfs configuration, including dns.
[21:11] <smoser> or xnox ^
[21:11] <smoser> i have to run.


[03:15] <thewrathjr> hey all
[03:20] <thewrathjr> anyone here?
[03:28] <Vantrax> no
[03:28] <Vantrax> we are all hiding:P
[03:28] <Vantrax> whats up thewrathjr
[03:28] <thewrathjr> ha ha Vantrax
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[03:28] <thewrathjr> did you guys need a php script to have people submit news stories?
[03:29] <thewrathjr> i said iw ould do that for a team but forget what team? lol:)
[03:30] <nhandler> thewrathjr: It was this team. You had talked with boredandblogging about it
[03:31] <Vantrax> lol, write that stuff down
[03:32] <thewrathjr> i know
[03:32] <thewrathjr> i was going through alot. i am moving on june 6 so i thoguht it got logged by didnt
[03:32] <thewrathjr> nhandler thank you so much it hought itw as this team but not 100% sure
[03:33] <nhandler> You are welcome thewrathjr. As a note, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge
[03:34] <thewrathjr> we said name, e-mail, link to story and an area to add notes?
[15:48] <thewrathjr> hllo all