[03:30] <callmepk> good morning
[03:31] <jamesh> morning callmepk
[03:32] <callmepk> morning jamesh
[03:55] <duflu> Morning callmepk and jamesh
[03:55] <callmepk> morning duflu
[06:50] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:04] <jibel> morning all
[07:07] <marcustomlinson> hi
[07:11] <duflu> Hi jibel and marcustomlinson, and seb128 again
[07:49] <seb128> hey jibel, marcustomlinson, duflu
[08:01] <Laney> \o\o\o\/o/o/o/
[08:25] <luna_> heya
[08:38] <seb128> tseliot, hey, could you check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-340/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 ? half of the reports are files conflict as bug #1887230
[08:38] <seb128> that's probably something that needs addressing
[08:40] <tseliot> seb128: I can have a look later
[08:40] <seb128> tseliot, thanks
[10:18] <mertgor> Hi People!
[11:41] <ricotz> heya
[11:43] <ricotz> looks like vala is blocked in groovy-proposed, seems automake-1.16 is at fault here
[11:53] <Laney> FAIL: t/vala-mix2.sh
[11:53] <Laney> sounds like a ricotz thing to me!
[11:55] <mertgor> I think that there are many topics on discourse, but where to start ?
[11:57] <ricotz> Laney, ooh
[12:07] <seb128> mertgor, hey, what do you want to start?
[12:11] <mertgor> seb128, i started with my friend to the GNOME Challange activity, so Ubuntu comes with GNOME, i can examine GNOME on Ubuntu, does it works for you ?
[12:11] <mertgor> seb128: i'm interested in GNOME extensions
[12:12] <seb128> mertgor, yes, what are you trying to do? work on fixing some bugs or doing code improvements?
[12:13] <mertgor> seb128: i told to my friend, that some extensions do not support new GNOME versions, so i can fork if it is possible and make it up to date fro the new GNOME versions
[12:14] <mertgor> seb128: fixing bugs, and improvement also in other words
[12:14] <seb128> mertgor, is that part of https://www.gnome.org/challenge/ ? if so it looks like submitions are closed by now?
[12:14] <mertgor> seb128: i'm not the team leader but i'm there
[12:14] <seb128> k
[12:15] <mertgor> seb128: There is an Open Source Community in Turkey, and a Slack instance and a GNOME Challange GitHub organization, that works together afaik
[12:15] <mertgor> *Slack instance is for GNOME activity
[12:16] <mertgor> but this is offtopic and not directly related with Ubuntu
[12:16] <seb128> right
[12:16] <mertgor> I think that Ubuntu fixes and changes some parts of GNOME such as dock
[12:18] <mertgor> I can run 18.04 on a vm Qemu, so i can test this release, when i have enough network connection limit the new release
[12:30] <jibel> Laney, re kubuntu bug I mentioned yesterday, the fix is actually trivial https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZZVS4yD5df/
[12:30] <jibel> I'll push directly to master if you're ok
[12:39] <seb128> Laney, ricotz, it doesn't seem a vala update regression though, https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/a/automake-1.16/groovy/amd64  it had similar failure with 0.48.7
[12:40] <ricotz> seb128, yeah, this looks to be caused by a stricter gcc 10?
[12:41] <seb128> the log isn't verbose on the details of the failure so difficult to say
[12:41] <seb128> but yeah, the first failure was with gcc 10 when the previous successful one was gcc 9
[12:42] <seb128> ricotz, http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/automake.git/commit/?id=74b9f0bb?
[12:43]  * seb128 cherry pick that one
[12:43] <ricotz> haha exactly
[12:54] <mertgor> seb128: I assume that Ubuntu has an integration across different teams, for example #ubuntu-hardened is one of the teams that i have been following since 2016. But I just wanted to learn how you work for the Ubuntu. So i can pass my security issues to #ubuntu-hardened quickly
[13:04] <seb128> mertgor, the IRC channel are open, anyone can write there
[13:06] <mertgor> seb128: yes Thanks
[13:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-04
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug  4 13:30:38 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:30] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks (out), duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney , marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[13:31] <kenvandine> o/
[13:31] <hellsworth> o/
[13:31] <marcustomlinson> \o
[13:31] <jibel> \o
[13:31] <Trevinho> o//
[13:31] <seb128> quite a reactive audiance today :-)
[13:31] <seb128> let's get started then!
[13:31] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
[13:31] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:32] <seb128> some libreoffice ones on the list today
[13:32] <seb128> bug #1888504
[13:32] <hellsworth> right so looks like a real problem.. haven't reproduced. do yall think it's work a deeper look?
[13:33] <oSoMoN> is this an upstream bug, or ubuntu-specific?
[13:33] <seb128> while better touch support would be desirable I don't think that would quality as a rls issue
[13:33] <seb128> we know the touch screen experience is suboptimal, that includes the desktop itself and apps
[13:33] <kenvandine> not touch screen
[13:33] <kenvandine> touchpad
[13:33] <hellsworth> it seems to only affect one person but not sure if ubuntu-specific
[13:33] <seb128> oh
[13:33] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[13:34] <seb128> I didn't even know that 2 fingers scrolling to left of right was a thing on a touchpad :p
[13:34] <hellsworth> well it was filed with the touchpad
[13:34] <hellsworth> oh right that's what ken said
[13:34] <seb128> right, I parsed that wrongly
[13:34] <mertgor> Today is my first day so i'll keep listening only
[13:34] <seb128> mertgor, welcome and not problem!
[13:35] <seb128> k, anyway it's a one report and there is other way to scroll
[13:35] <seb128> I vote -1 for nomination
[13:35] <kenvandine> agreed
[13:35] <oSoMoN> yup
[13:35] <Laney> lol
[13:35] <Laney> I don't like the second half of that
[13:35] <Laney> the other ways to scroll are way worse if touchpad is broken
[13:36] <Laney> if we applied that elsewhere it would S U C K
[13:36] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, I'd ask the reporter if they can reproduce with an upstream build, to triage the bug properly
[13:36] <hellsworth> ok good idea oSoMoN thanks
[13:37] <seb128> Laney, second half of what?
[13:37]  * seb128 lost context
[13:37] <Laney> your reason for declining the nomination
[13:37] <seb128> sorry, I'm not a touchpad user, ignore my opinion
[13:37] <Laney> ok
[13:38] <Laney> yes you can go click the little arrow or use the scroll bar
[13:38] <seb128> or the keyboard
[13:38] <seb128> arrows
[13:38] <Laney> but if it's true that touchpad scrolling is broken that would be quite major
[13:38] <kenvandine> should be easy to try to reproduce
[13:38] <kenvandine> just need a laptop
[13:38] <Laney> so I would disagree strongly with "there are other ways" being a good rationale
[13:38] <seb128> k, let's start fresh then
[13:38] <Laney> not saying if it is true or not in this case
[13:38] <seb128> do we believe it's specific to libreoffice or a touchpad problem?
[13:39] <hellsworth> unknown
[13:39] <kenvandine> the reporter said other apps behave as expected
[13:39] <seb128> also I'm not on bionic to test atm
[13:39] <kenvandine> including libreoffice writer
[13:39] <kenvandine> just calc and draw had problems
[13:40] <hellsworth> how bout i go off and investigate it a bit then
[13:40] <seb128> I feel like we are wasting time bikesheeding there
[13:40] <Laney> :/
[13:40] <seb128> if touchpad support was broken in bionic we would know by now
[13:40] <oSoMoN> I think it needs further triaging before we can determine whether it's rls material
[13:40] <seb128> or if that was an issue lot users cared about
[13:40] <Laney> misunderstanding my point
[13:40] <Laney> whatever
[13:40] <Laney> carry on
[13:40] <hellsworth> ok then can we leave the tag and revisit next week? or later in the week?
[13:40] <seb128> well, my rational is that if we didn't hear from it in 2 years then it's probably not a rls issue
[13:40] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: figure out if this is upstream or not first
[13:41] <kenvandine> two figure scroll is working on focal
[13:41] <kenvandine> in calc, i just verified
[13:41] <hellsworth> ok thanks. i'll go see if it's in upstream on a bionic vm
[13:41] <seb128> k, so let me do my vote again, hopefully we don't do any other bikeshedding on the rational (or maybe I should just note give a rational and a -1 if that helps?)
[13:42] <seb128> -1, if touchpad support was broken in bionic we would know by now
[13:42] <Laney> stop calling it bikeshedding
[13:42] <Laney> that is rude
[13:42] <seb128> shrug
[13:42] <seb128> langs now
[13:42] <seb128> I think I stop there and let someone else handle that meeting
[13:42] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug  4 13:42:50 2020 UTC.
[13:42] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-08-04-13.30.moin.txt
[13:42] <seb128> kenvandine, please take over
[13:43] <seb128> :)
[13:43] <kenvandine> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-04
[13:44] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug  4 13:43:59 2020 UTC.  The chair is kenvandine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:44] <kenvandine> #topic rls-bb-bug
[13:45] <kenvandine> i don't think there are other bb bugs
[13:45] <hellsworth> there was one more bb-incoming on LO though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1889460
[13:45] <hellsworth> looks like the user noticed missing ubuntu languages when setting $LANG
[13:46] <kenvandine> oh, missed that
[13:46] <hellsworth> missing fonts, not languages
[13:47] <hellsworth> i think it's a small enough problem that i would vote -1 but would love to hear others thoughs
[13:48] <kenvandine> i'd be interested in knowing if it only affects libreoffice
[13:48] <hellsworth> ok what is another app that uses the ubuntu thin font?
[13:48] <kenvandine> like  fc-list
[13:49] <kenvandine> does the result change for the different LANG
[13:49] <hellsworth> ok i can check that on bionic too
[13:49] <kenvandine> probably -1 though
[13:50] <kenvandine> although, fonts are important in a word processor :)
[13:50] <hellsworth> would it be -1 from you even if it is missing from fc-list?
[13:50] <kenvandine> if it's missing in fc-list then it isn't a libreoffice bug
[13:51] <hellsworth> well that's true
[13:51] <kenvandine> the reporter says it was reproduced on kubuntu 20.04.1 livecd
[13:51] <kenvandine> so not just bionic
[13:51] <hellsworth> right
[13:52] <hellsworth> but i only tagged it as bionic because seemed like enough to get a conversation going about it
[13:52] <kenvandine> i can't repro it on 20.04 though
[13:52] <kenvandine> -1 and maybe investigate more
[13:53] <hellsworth> ok sounds good
[13:53] <kenvandine> #topic rls-ff-bug
[13:53] <hellsworth> -1 is fine with me but i'll take a look at a bionic vm with fc-list
[13:53] <oSoMoN> that sounds reasonable, -1 and further triaging
[13:53] <marcustomlinson> should bugs be confirmed/triaged before being tagged incoming
[13:53] <seb128> you can also check in gnome-font-viewer if it's listed
[13:53] <oSoMoN> that would help making a decision in the meeting
[13:53] <kenvandine> it could help
[13:53] <kenvandine> but that can be hard if you don't have the release or hardware handy
[13:53] <hellsworth> ok sorry guys. then i will triage before tagging in the future.
[13:54] <oSoMoN> that's not a strict requirement, just makes things easier
[13:54] <hellsworth> thanks seb i'll check gnome-font-viewer too
[13:55] <kenvandine> oh, bb-tracking looked fine
[13:55] <kenvandine> more LO bugs on ff-incoming
[13:55] <kenvandine> bug 1888186
[13:56] <hellsworth> right sorry i was going through new bugs yesterday..
[13:56] <hellsworth> so this one seems bad but no one else seems to have the problem
[13:57] <kenvandine> yeah, this would have been reported by others
[13:57] <oSoMoN> I think that one needs working with the reporter to try and understand what causes this problem, but -1 because it obviously doesn't affect everyone
[13:57] <hellsworth> ok
[13:57] <seb128> -1 from me
[13:57] <hellsworth> -1 then and i'll work with the reporter
[13:57] <kenvandine> agreed
[13:57] <kenvandine> bug 1889051
[13:58] <hellsworth> does that sound like it would be related to the wayland usage?
[13:58] <oSoMoN> that looks like an upstream bug
[13:58] <oSoMoN> the dialog window is just too tall
[13:59] <seb128> not likely wayland, probably just a small vertical resolution
[13:59] <seb128> like 720 pixels
[13:59] <kenvandine> it would be useful to know the resolution
[13:59] <kenvandine> i'd say send that one upstream
[13:59] <kenvandine> but maybe ask for their screen resolution first
[13:59] <kenvandine> so you have all the info
[14:00] <hellsworth> done and thanks
[14:00] <kenvandine> hellsworth: can you handle updating the tags on all those bugs?
[14:00] <hellsworth> yes
[14:00] <kenvandine> thanks
[14:01] <kenvandine> ff-tracking looks under control
[14:02] <hellsworth> i think that's all of the LO bugs i added yesterday
[14:02] <kenvandine> #topic rls-gg-bug
[14:03] <kenvandine> we have two bugs under incoming but they look like they've been triaged and assigned
[14:03] <seb128> right
[14:03] <seb128> jibel, could you check if the kernel on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1875199 fixes the issue for you?
[14:04] <kenvandine> should we drop incoming from those?
[14:04] <jibel> seb128, it doesn't
[14:04] <seb128> jibel, can you comment on the bug saying so?
[14:05] <seb128> so Hui might have another look
[14:05] <jibel> yes
[14:05] <seb128> thx
[14:05] <jibel> I tried 5.8 too and still no sound
[14:06] <kenvandine> seb128: should we drop incoming from those?  or are we leaving them tagged so we discuss every week?
[14:06] <seb128> kenvandine, yes, the gdm one probably should be targetted, the pulseaudio one we dicussed in the past and didn't have an agreement, I'm not going to comment either way today
[14:06] <kenvandine> ok
[14:06] <seb128> it does sound like a kernel issue to me though
[14:06] <seb128> or hardware specific
[14:06] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:07] <jibel> not sure it's kernel if you kill pulseaudio and uses alsa directly then there is sound, but this meeting is not the right place to discuss these details
[14:08] <kenvandine> gg-tracking looks like things being handled
[14:08] <kenvandine> #topic aob
[14:08] <kenvandine> oh, i skipped something
[14:09] <kenvandine> transitions?
[14:09] <oSoMoN> that's a long list :/
[14:10] <seb128> lot of blocked on icu transition
[14:10] <seb128> and some libreoffice retries
[14:10] <hellsworth> libreoffice is holding some things up too. asked for some reruns of tests (thanks kenvandine )
[14:10] <seb128> I think the only thing that needs looked at is dee/riscv
[14:10] <kenvandine> ok, lets move along to AOB
[14:12] <kenvandine> anything?
[14:12] <kenvandine> going once
[14:12] <seb128> (not from me)
[14:12] <kenvandine> going twice
[14:12]  * kenvandine drops the mic
[14:12] <kenvandine> #endmeeting
[14:12] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug  4 14:12:49 2020 UTC.
[14:12] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-08-04-13.43.moin.txt
[14:12] <kenvandine> thanks everyone
[14:12] <seb128> thanks kenvandine
[14:12] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[14:13] <oSoMoN> thanks
[14:13] <hellsworth> thanks. sorry for hijacking the meeting with lo bugs
[14:13] <seb128> and sorry every for loosing my temper earlier, it has not been the best day :-/
[14:13] <seb128> ups, ctrl-W in IRC doesn't do what it does in an editor :p
[14:14] <mertgor> seb128: do you have connection issues ?
[14:14] <seb128> I was saying that lack of sleep + constent noise + headache got me
[14:14] <seb128> mertgor, no, just wanted to delete a word and pressed ctrl-W which closed the tab
[14:14] <seb128> wrong muscle memory
[14:14] <hellsworth> seb128: it happens and i hope you feel better soon.. headaches are the worst :)
[14:14] <marcustomlinson> seb128: I know the feeling
[14:14] <seb128> hellsworth, thanks!
[14:15] <mertgor> seb128: Understood, Thanks, i learned muscle memory from my si-fu Wing Chun dojo , anyways back to topic :)
[14:16] <mertgor> seb128: i hope that you'll be better, sometimes i feel like you and make the same Ctrl-W
[14:16] <seb128> lol, thanks
[14:20] <Laney> seb128: apologies then, should have recognised and backed off, I wanted to challenge on the policy but it was not a good time
[14:21] <mertgor> seb128: so i'll follow kernel, hardenining teams for contributing to the Ubuntu Desktop, then server-side juju, maas and server channel, i learned that today, that approach, i need to understand how Ubuntu works, Thanks for your help
[14:22] <Laney> mertgor: not all teams are using IRC for meetings, some are on discourse
[14:22] <Laney> just FYI
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, thanks, and sorry for using an offensive wording I didn't intend to be insulting
[14:23] <Laney> e.g. https://forum.snapcraft.io/
[14:30] <mertgor> Laney: Thanks, i'm following discourse, day by day
[15:39] <seb128> Laney, 'removing libace-6.5.8/6.5.8+dfsg-2/amd64 from testing makes ivtools-bin/2.0.2a1-1/amd64 uninstallable '
[15:39] <seb128> Laney, the 'from testing' could probably be tweaked for Ubuntu, want that as a proper bug report?
[15:39] <seb128> or I guess I could try to do a mp tomorrow
[15:51] <Laney> feel free, it should say 'the target', that's what they are converging on upstream
[15:54] <Laney> in some places it's a bit hardcoded still
[15:59] <Laney> looks like it can read it from the release file, but we don't have that available there
[15:59] <Laney> check pkglists in britney1, it might be possible to fix that to output in a different way which makes Release available
[16:00] <Laney> then _update_suite_name() could work


[03:26] <drkokandy> Is it just me or is the Ubuntu community at large really different than in 2015
[03:29] <drkokandy> Did something bad happen
[15:30] <thafreak> Lol, I saw on twitter some one complaining about freenode, finally checked my irssi client
[15:30] <thafreak> Figured I'd reconnect :)


[02:41] <hylian> hello all
[08:07] <MoL0ToV> hi to all! ubuntu 17.04 is available, but xubuntu 17.04 no. When is planned to release xubuntu 17.04?
[08:07] <MoL0ToV> (i want to reinstall all pc with 17.04 on my network, a school)
[08:07] <smerz> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/17.04/release/
[08:08] <MoL0ToV> is LTS?
[08:09] <smerz> 16.04 is latest LTS release
[08:09] <smerz> and i would recommend going for that tbh ;-)
[08:10] <MoL0ToV> this summer i must reinstall all pc with latest lts release. is possible that for summer the LTS is  17.04?
[08:10] <smerz> no LTS release are every two years
[08:11] <smerz> 14.04 was LTS. 16.04 is LTS. next LTS will be 18.04
[08:11] <MoL0ToV> 18.04 when is planned to be released?
[08:12] <smerz> 18 is the year. 04 the month
[08:12] <smerz> so april 2018
[08:12] <MoL0ToV> so i must install 16.04 lts
[08:13] <MoL0ToV> 16.04 has libreoffice 5.x ?
[08:15] <smerz> just started libreoffice calc: Version: <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:30] <MoL0ToV> ok thx
[11:20] <sorinello_> smerz, what's wrong with non LTS releases ?
[11:21] <sorinello_> I am using xubuntu since 14.04 and I always migrated to the latest release after 1-2 days after release. Never had any issues
[11:31] <smerz> i prefer older releases for stability
[11:31] <smerz> even LTS i would wait like 6 months before upgrading. but that's personal experience/preference
[11:38] <knome> sorinello_, nothing necessarily; whether you should use them or not depends on what you are looking for
[11:55] <sorinello_> knome exactly, but in my opinion unless you are not using on any critical system, you shouldn't worry about being on an older versions. The benefits of newer software outnumber the benefits of having an older version in most cases
[11:58] <smerz> that's a matter of opinion :-)
[12:00] <Spass> sorinello_: Some people don't need to have the newest version of software (not counting security upgrades of course) and don't need to upgrade whole system two times a year
[12:01] <Spass> you're a Linux enthusiast so it's fun for you, but it may not be fun for everyone
[12:02] <sorinello_> well yes, I am en enthusiast. most of the release don't come with nothing new, but this, latest, 17.04 for example comes with a greatly improved version of terminal, which I already enjoy and use
[12:02] <Spass> plus, I have some problems/bug on 17.04 which aren't a big problem for me, but I would not recommend 17.04 for a new user, I would recommend 16.04.2
[13:39] <kblin> hi folks
[13:40] <kblin> I'm running 16.04 on my dell XPS laptop, and am pretty happy with it in general, but there's one bug that is really, really annoying:
[13:41] <kblin> when suspending the laptop, sometimes (like once every week or two) after logging back in all my open windows are closed
[13:41] <kblin> it looks like they were killed, because e.g. firefox comes back up apologizing for having crashed
[13:41] <pmjdebruijn> you mean ,as in the applicatinos aren't running anymore
[13:42] <kblin> yeah,
[13:42] <pmjdebruijn> did you check dmesg?
[13:42] <kblin> I basically log in to what looks like a blank desktop
[13:42] <pmjdebruijn> is there any correlation to how long you've been logged out?
[13:42] <kblin> but it's certainly not a restart, at least according to uptime
[13:42] <kblin> nope
[13:42] <pmjdebruijn> any errors in dmesg?
[13:44] <kblin> hmm, nothing immediately around the wakeup log entry
[13:44] <kblin> but a bit later there's something about drm being stuck on the render ring
[13:45] <kblin> I guess that'd be it, then
[13:45] <kblin> didn't think of checking the kernel log, it looked like a userspace issue :)
[13:53] <kblin> hm, annoying
[13:53] <kblin> the kernel message tells me to use the latest kernel
[13:53] <kblin> er no, the kernel message tells me to report the bug
[13:53] <kblin> the bug report guidelines say "just use the latest kernel"
[14:05] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[14:05] <pmjdebruijn> can you pastebin it?
[14:05] <pmjdebruijn> which kernel do you have
[14:06] <pmjdebruijn> since 16.04 can use the hardware enablement stacks
[14:06] <pmjdebruijn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[14:08] <kblin> pmjdebruijn: yeah, I found that one as well and just rebooted to get to the latest regular kernel so I could clear out some space in /boot
[14:09] <kblin> kernels have gotten rather large in the past years, and my probably too conservatively-spaced /boot can only hold two at a time
[14:17] <kblin> let's try on the HWE kernel and xorg\
[14:49] <pmjdebruijn> kblin: uhm? only two?
[14:49] <pmjdebruijn> presumably you have a rediculously small /boot?
[14:49] <pmjdebruijn> 1GB is generally fine for /boot


[00:32] <rehman> hello everyone, anyone facing or faced problem with Gigabyte on board display for widescreen?
[00:33] <rehman> i am using GA-G41M Gigabyte motherboad, and on board display, but i not able to configure resulation of 1399x768
[00:33] <rehman> any work around?
[11:40] <Bacta> Hai all!
[20:58] <tsimpson> bodhi_zazen: poke
[21:02] <bodhi_zazen> zup tsimpson ?
[21:02] <tsimpson> bodhi_zazen: have a second for a /msg?
[21:04] <bodhi_zazen> yes so long as it is fast, otherwise I will be available in a half hout
[21:05] <tsimpson> it'll only take a sec


[12:26] <pygi> keltorsori: do the forwarding bits?
[12:27] <keltorsori> gonna find out in a minute. still trying to find more info
[12:29] <pygi> I just think you could do iptables forwarding bits, and it should work
[12:30] <keltorsori> seems like a bit more work than i remember...i'll figure it out hopefully
[12:57] <keltorsori> ok, i've got the stupids today. anyone able to help me get eth0 up?
[12:57] <keltorsori> i've got two nics, just did a fresh install
[12:57] <keltorsori> configured eth1 only during the install
[12:57] <keltorsori> need to get eth0 up now
[12:58] <keltorsori> clients are booting off eth1 just fine
[03:05] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:50] <jono> hey sbalneav
[03:50] <sbalneav> Hello jono
[04:56] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/handbook/C/
[04:56] <nixternal> ^^ new handbook layout if you are interested...i am closer to getting what we want i think
[04:56] <nixternal> a little tweaking and it will be gold
[04:58] <nixternal> actually, i may have just fixed the chunk
[04:59] <nixternal> wo0t
[04:59] <nixternal> give me one secone to upload the new
[05:00] <nixternal> now look at it
[05:00] <nixternal> do you like the last one, or this one better?
[05:05] <sbalneav> nixternal: That a svn repo?
[05:05] <nixternal> once we say yay to a layout, im going to copy over all of the current content intot he correct files, upload them to the doc server and the binary server..this way here, they can get worked on there, and i can just copy over to the doc
[05:06] <nixternal> not yet sbalneav, it is local
[05:06] <sbalneav> So only HedgeMage can see?  Or can I see somehow?
[05:06] <nixternal> you can see it
[05:07] <nixternal> sbalneav: you have been commiting all of the ltsp i assume to the binaryredneck svn server right?
[05:07] <sbalneav> Yes.
[05:08] <HedgeMage> nixternal: hang on let me look
[05:08] <nixternal> ok...that is what i will do then...i will get all of your content into the layout, and get them on both servers, that way there you can just work from them, and i can copy over tot he doc server when needed for the time being as well
[05:08] <HedgeMage> nixternal: I like how it looks right now
[05:08] <nixternal> the layout i have has a file for each chapter or <sect1> docbook way
[05:09] <sbalneav> So I should keep updating to binary redneck?
[05:09] <nixternal> ok HedgeMage, i figured that was what you wanted
[05:09] <sbalneav> Or send patches?
[05:09] <nixternal> sure sbalneav, go ahead for the time being..it is nothing for me to copy over right now
[05:09] <sbalneav> k
[05:09] <HedgeMage> nixternal: what's easier for you, the two repo method or the patch method?
[05:09] <nixternal> that way it doesn't slow you down
[05:09] <nixternal> two repo for right now, until they are both synched, then we will switch over 100% to the doc svn
[05:10] <nixternal> this way i will be able to work the doc svn into shape, and not interfere with the work that sbalneav has done
[05:10] <nixternal> it should only be a day or 2 i am hoping to have them synched
[05:10] <HedgeMage> okay, cool
[05:11] <sbalneav> I've been going through the touch slog of synching up the lts.conf options that Edubuntu implements into the docs.
[05:11] <sbalneav> s/touch/tough/
[05:12] <HedgeMage> you both rock :)
[05:20] <nixternal> alrighty..time for some more messin' around..the race is over ;)
[05:26] <HedgeMage> :)
[05:26] <HedgeMage> nixternal: who won? my dad was supposed to call me.
[05:26] <nixternal> kasey
[05:26] <nixternal> every girls favorite racer
[05:28] <HedgeMage> lol
[05:46] <nixternal> what are we going to do with the Student Control Panel?  Stick it in Part 4?
[06:21] <HedgeMage> nixternal: Well, I don't know anything about it? isn't it an ltsp only thing?
[06:22] <nixternal> actually, i believe it is...so i think it will be fine in part 4 as well
[06:22] <nixternal> or pt2 post install section
[06:23] <HedgeMage> if its ltsp only it should go in ltsp post-install
[06:23] <nixternal> will do
[06:58] <nixternal> ooh docbook is making me mad right now...it validates perfectly, and as soon as i copy over and tweak the scp portion...it just dies...and the funny thing is, the local xml file validates for proper xml structure...but the entire build divebombs
[06:59] <nixternal> i was on a roll to have everything complete by tomorrow, but this one little bug is gonna cause me to drink ;)
[07:41] <nixternal> don't you hate when the problem at hand is right in front of your face ;)
[03:16] <pygi> bddebian: hey ho
[03:17] <bddebian> Hi pygi
[04:41] <fbtab> greets all
[04:41] <fbtab> what method is recommended for automated installations? fai?
[04:41] <fbtab> i tryed seeding, certain things didnt work, tryed ks, other things didnt work..
[04:47] <pygi> ogra: you have a sec?
[04:59] <fbtab> i must say, i totally like the themeing behind edubuntu, very nice
[06:06] <juliux> ogra, ping
[06:20] <juliux> can i build an extra kernel for the ltsp chroot?
[07:20] <cbx33> ping Amaranth
[07:25] <Amaranth> cbx33: pong
[07:26] <cbx33> hey dude you in #beryl?
[07:26] <cbx33> hoping you can help me out
[07:26] <cbx33> :p
[07:26] <cbx33> my generic nvidia module is broken
[07:27] <cbx33> as of about 2 days ago....I was using your repos
[07:29] <cbx33> Amaranth, any ideas?
[07:29] <cbx33> I was following this
[07:29] <cbx33> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/nVIDIA
[07:29] <highvoltage> hey cbx33
[07:29] <cbx33> does where it says about getting it from the nvidia site
[07:29] <cbx33> and recompiling on kernel updates
[07:30] <Amaranth> cbx33: using deb http://amaranth.selfip.com/ edgy lrm
[07:30] <cbx33> how do you do that....just rerun the script?
[07:30] <Amaranth> right?
[07:30] <cbx33> hi highvoltage
[07:30] <cbx33> deb http://amaranth.selfip.com edgy lrm
[07:30] <cbx33> yup
[07:30] <Amaranth> yeah
[07:30] <cbx33> the module doesn't load on the generic kernel
[07:30] <Amaranth> make sure l-r-m-2.6.17-10-generic and nvidia-glx are up-to-date and installed from that repo
[07:30] <cbx33> 2 secs
[07:31] <cbx33> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-386     <IP_ADDRESS>-11~amaranth                  Non-free Linux 2.6.17 modules on 386
[07:31] <cbx33> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-generic <IP_ADDRESS>-11~amaranth                  Non-free Linux 2.6.17 modules on x86_64 gene
[07:31] <cbx33> ii  linux-restricted-modules-common            <IP_ADDRESS>-11~amaranth                  Non-free Linux 2.6.17 modules helper script
[07:31] <cbx33> ii  nvidia-glx                                 1.0.9625+<IP_ADDRESS>-11~amaranth         NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[07:31] <Amaranth> weird
[07:31] <Amaranth> any errors when you try to load the module with generic?
[07:31] <cbx33> yes
[07:32] <cbx33> error using install command for module nvidia
[07:32] <Amaranth> *boggle*
[07:32] <cbx33> was working before the kernel image update a few days ago
[07:32] <Amaranth> weird
[07:32] <Amaranth> oh, .33 breaks things for some people
[07:33] <Amaranth> i haven't rebooted yet, still using .31
[07:33] <cbx33> ahhh....
[07:33] <cbx33> :(
[07:33] <cbx33> what do you suggest?
[07:33] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[07:33] <cbx33> is compiling the driver my self easy?
[07:33] <Amaranth> I just make packages, I have no idea how any of it works
[07:33] <Amaranth> compiling the driver probably won't make a difference
[07:33] <cbx33> sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9625-pkg1.run
[07:33] <cbx33> ah
[07:33] <cbx33> ok
[07:34] <cbx33> so I guess I wait then?
[07:34] <Amaranth> but all you need is your kernel headers, gcc, and the .run file
[07:34] <cbx33> ok
[07:34] <cbx33> then do I rerun that script everytime they update the kernel?
[07:34] <Amaranth> then just run that command you pasted and hit enter a couple times
[07:34] <Amaranth> every time they bump the ABI
[07:34] <Amaranth> which probably won't happen anymore for edgy unless a security fix requires it
[07:34] <cbx33> hmmm
[07:35] <cbx33> if I wanted to....how would I go back to the edgy repos?
[07:35] <cbx33> for the nvidia and restricted modules stuff?
[07:35] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[07:35] <Amaranth> i haven't installed them like that since sarge
[07:36] <Amaranth> well, since sarge was testing
[07:36] <cbx33> well i kinda meant....is it possible to stop using your repo?
[07:36] <cbx33> could I just uninstall the pacakges...disable your repo....apt-get update.....and then reinstall
[07:36] <Amaranth> oh, yeah
[07:36] <cbx33> and do we know if .33 is going to get fixed?
[07:37] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[07:37] <cbx33> ok
[07:37] <cbx33> thanks Amaranth
[07:37] <cbx33> sorry to have troubled you
[07:37] <Amaranth> someone has to figure out what's broken and report it first
[07:38] <cbx33> hence why I'm thinking of taking a backstep
[07:38] <cbx33> my dual core is useless at the mo
[07:38] <cbx33> cos I'm only using 386 :S
[07:51] <juliux> hi all
[07:52] <juliux> did somebody knows if it is possible to build an extra kernel for the ltsp chroot
[08:07] <highvoltage> hey juliux
[08:07] <juliux> hi highvoltage
[08:08] <highvoltage> juliux: you can build it and place it in /var/lib/tftpboot
[08:08] <highvoltage> you can then just specifiy the new kernel in teh dhcpd.conf file
[08:08] <juliux> highvoltage, ah cool, i need a kernel with isa support
[08:08] <highvoltage> wow, the current ubuntu kernels doesn't have it?
[08:09] <highvoltage> heh, I suppose very very few people use any isa devices these days.
[08:24] <crimsun> CONFIG_ISA=y
[08:24] <crimsun> CONFIG_EISA=y
[08:25] <highvoltage> juliux: ^^^
[08:25] <juliux> sorry
[08:26] <juliux> we have here a surfstation
[08:26] <highvoltage> geez, crimsun is really everywhere :)
[08:26] <juliux> and the kernel boots up but then comes an error etho not found
[08:26] <highvoltage> juliux: what card is it? it's probably that the kernel module for that card is not available?
[08:27] <juliux> we testit with one intel an a 3com card booth isa
[08:36] <juliux> highvoltage, i will post the error message later, we have an ubuntu-de meeting at the moment
[10:14] <pygi> HedgeMage: !!!
[10:14] <HedgeMage> hi pygi
[10:15] <nixternal> hi! ;)
[10:15] <pygi> how is you?!
[10:15] <HedgeMage> hi nixternal
[10:16] <HedgeMage> I'm good, just trying to get family stuff covered so I can work on handbook and on next week's workshop I'm giving
[10:16] <nixternal> my lord all of my football picks are hurting
[10:16] <pygi> nixternal: :P
[10:17] <pygi> I've been trying to sleep lately, no go :P
[10:17] <nixternal> hehe
[10:17] <nixternal> i keep putting my schoolwork off, as getting the handbook functioning has been rather addictive
[10:17] <pygi> :P
[10:18] <pygi> I have two exams this week, and I already said I'll fail them =P
[10:18] <pygi> it won't be good for my uni career :P
[10:19] <pygi> nice HedgeMage :)
[10:20] <HedgeMage> heh
[10:20] <nixternal> ya, i have about 6 presentations to give at the Ubuntu Chicago Conference here in 2 weeks as well
[10:20] <nixternal> this month has been a busy one...plus I have all of the documentation for Ichthux as well
[10:20] <pygi> same here, October, 28
[10:20] <nixternal> ya, oct 28 for chicago meeting as well
[10:20] <pygi> :P
[10:20] <nixternal> and then the 29th i have a LUG meeting i have yet organized
[10:21] <nixternal> i put my name on the officer list, and it seems they voted and elected me the president
[10:21] <HedgeMage> hehe :)
[10:21] <nixternal> now, i can't just say no, i don't want to do that
[10:21] <pygi> :P
[10:21] <pygi> well, hello mr. president :)
[10:21] <nixternal> i really don't, but i figured i will give them 6 months to a year and hand it over
[10:21] <nixternal> ya, i asked if there was a pay raise involved ;)
[10:22] <nixternal> HedgeMage: you see my email i sent?
[10:22] <pygi> nixternal: I have some bad things involved with phrase "mr. president" :P
[10:23] <nixternal> i like my mr. president, it just seems the rest of the world doesn't ;)
[10:23] <nixternal> he is a persistant little bugger
[10:23] <HedgeMage> nixternal: nope, haven't checked yet
[10:23] <HedgeMage> brb tt calls
[10:23] <nixternal> hehe
[10:23] <pygi> well, if the folks who present you computer science in uni every day call you mr. president, you'd stop loving it :P
[10:23] <nixternal> i think HedgeMage should change her nick to TT_Rules_Me
[10:24] <nixternal> hehe, i hide from them when i am at school
[10:24] <nixternal> i am labeled "The Ubuntu Guy"
[10:24] <pygi> oh, this folks haven't got around to part that I use ubuntu or anything related yet :)
[10:24] <nixternal> they love and hate me at the same time. Their install fests were roughly 10 people...then i joined, brought in Ubuntu, and we have had 3 back to back with more than 100 people, which a majority want Ubuntu installed
[10:25] <pygi> I have to use Windows in uni :-/
[10:25] <nixternal> but i have taken over the slackware mentality they (5 of them when I joined) had, and showed them it isn't about Slackware, it isn't about Ubuntu, it is about Linux, and supporting and helping others with their Linux quest
[10:26] <nixternal> pygi: i would have to as well, but i use LiveCDs now ;)
[10:26] <pygi> nixternal: well, considering I was almost kicked out when I mentioned linux, I don't wanna play with using liveCD's :P
[10:26] <nixternal> hehe
[10:35] <nixternal> hmm...switching over from the "original" handbook layout to the "new" layout is tricky for 2 files, sect-ltsp-ltsconf.xml and sect-ltsp-theory.xml...i don't know where to merge them in with
[10:35] <nixternal> i think that sect-ltsp-ltsconf.xml should be part of the p2-client.xml file as it seems the lts.conf is for the workstations
[10:36] <nixternal> the ltsp-theory could be merged in with p2-intro.xml or create a p2-theory.xml and add one more section to the chapter layout
[11:04] <pygi> nixternal: hm, right
[11:29] <nixternal> binaryredneck svn updated with all of the new files, redid the directory structure, and added a README to the root directory....so 'svn up' if you are using HedgeMage's svn ;)
[11:29] <pygi> I'm afraid of doing any activities right now
[11:30] <pygi> my hardware seems to be randomly failing :-/
[11:31] <cbx33> excuse my stupidity here people
[11:31] <cbx33> how can I find out pacakges that were installed from a certain repo?
[11:31] <cbx33> nixternal, cool
[11:34] <nixternal> ok..now i think i can start adding some content ;)
[11:47] <cbx33> nixternal, where are the images stored now
[11:47] <cbx33> oh and I see a typo
[11:47] <nixternal> Installiol?
[11:48] <nixternal> they are stored in the images/ directory in root ;)
[11:48] <cbx33> hmmm
[11:48] <cbx33> yes
[11:49] <cbx33> Installionl
[11:49] <nixternal> i fixed that..the one in the handbook.xml file
[11:49] <nixternal> i noticed it looking at the html that was built


 @clivejo, I'll poke again
[00:08] <clivejo> please do
[20:27]  * valorie is out and about again today....
[20:37] <wxl> how long did you guys keep the poll open for council members?
 a week, but I think only that short as it was late being done!
 normally would be 2 weeks I think
[20:40] <wxl> ok
[20:40] <wxl> thanks
[21:29] <tsimonq2> ls
[21:29] <tsimonq2> Whoooooops
[21:29] <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, clivejo: Ping
[21:30] <tsimonq2> I want to start integrating automated testing into ka
[21:30] <acheronuk> ?
[21:30]  * acheronuk hides
[21:30] <tsimonq2> Now's your time to stop me before I get too far ;)
[21:31] <tsimonq2> Once we get to over 50% testing coverage I'd like to make it a mandatory part of the process
[21:31] <acheronuk> what time is the meeting tomorrow?
[21:32] <tsimonq2> Cual?
[21:32] <tsimonq2> (Which?)
[21:32] <acheronuk> https://kubuntu.org/event/awareness-promotion-marketing/?instance_id=2
[21:33] <tsimonq2> Oh bah marketing, I
[21:33] <tsimonq2> *I'll leave that to y'all
[21:33]  * tsimonq2 ducks out
[21:33] <acheronuk> lol
[21:33] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: can maybe talk other stuff like this after though
[21:33] <tsimonq2> Please oh please Rick s/QT/Qt/g
[21:34] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Is that time in UTC?
 @Sick_Rimmit is it?
[21:35] <acheronuk> I guess so, as I am now on UTC
[21:35] <tsimonq2> Lucky you!
[21:36] <acheronuk> makes things so much easier!
[21:36] <tsimonq2> Yeah I should be able to make it...


[00:00] <slangasek> pkg-config itself doesn't dictate filesystem placement.  is it autoconf? cmake?
[00:00] <nacc> slangasek: it's at 9, which i think should be fine?
[00:01] <nacc> slangasek: simple (relatively) Makefile, no autoconf afaict
[00:01] <nacc> i wonder if ineed to tell it libdir or something (rather than just prefix)
[00:01] <nacc> slangasek: i can dig into it, np
[00:04] <slangasek> no autoconf> yeah that'll be why
[00:04] <slangasek> debhelper doesn't do automatic things with pure make because variable names aren't portable
[03:06] <themill> BTW are you sure you want xchat in bionic?
[03:35] <nacc> themill: already discussed
[03:35] <nacc> slangasek: ack
[03:38] <themill> ok
[11:26] <Unit193> xnox: Sorry to ping.  Looks like you were indeed interested in that upload.  Now regarding src:dnsval that was removed in Debian in 2016, so bet it can go too.