[00:24] <xubuntu488> some bory can i help me
[00:25] <xubuntu488> i have a laptop acer aspire one 3100
[00:25] <xubuntu488> and i want install xubuntu because is more fast and my laptop have only 512Mb memory
[00:26] <xubuntu488> I need drive of my camera the others drives is ok but the drive camera is empty
[00:52] <wayne__> hi. I have been using gnome on ubuntu 10.10. upgraded to 12.04 and can't stand it even gnome classic isn't right. want to switch to xbuntu. can I install xbuntu and keep my home partition?
[00:52] <ruien> ubuntu should have a "xubuntu-desktop" package which you can apt-get
[00:52] <ruien> I haven't tried it before personally; I always have used xubuntu
[00:53] <ruien> however, i've heard it works
[00:53] <wayne__> I can try that first.
[00:54] <wayne__> thanks
[02:13] <WhitePelican> I'm running Precise and am having issues with vlc playing my dvd's
[02:14] <WhitePelican> I get the following error:
[02:14] <WhitePelican> Playback failure:
[02:14] <WhitePelican> DVDRead could not open the disc "/dev/dvd".
[02:14] <WhitePelican> Your input can't be opened:
[02:14] <WhitePelican> VLC is unable to open the MRL 'dvd:///dev/dvd'. Check the log for details.
[02:14] <WhitePelican> I have libdvdcss installed
[02:14] <WhitePelican> can someone help me?
[02:14] <wendell> xfce.4.10
[02:16] <GridCube> WhitePelican, https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/xubuntu#TOC-Multimedia-support:-complete-it
[02:16] <GridCube> that might help you
[02:16] <WhitePelican> ty
[02:19] <WhitePelican> I installed it and it still fails
[02:24] <GridCube> WhitePelican, did you installed the restricted extras?
[02:24] <WhitePelican> yes I did
[02:24] <GridCube> mmhm
[02:24] <GridCube> doesnt parole plays dvd's
[02:25] <GridCube> it apparently does...
[02:25] <WhitePelican> yes it does, but why doesn't vlc or xine?
[02:25] <GridCube> WhitePelican, are you sure you have the correct path to the player?
[02:25] <GridCube> i mean to the disk
[02:25] <WhitePelican> yes
[02:26] <GridCube> WhitePelican, http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/9405/cddvd-drive-not-working-vlc-error-solved/
[02:28] <WhitePelican> I'll try that
[02:30] <WhitePelican> that worked :)
[02:30] <WhitePelican> at least in vlc
[02:30] <WhitePelican> strange to have to do that
[02:30] <WhitePelican> thnls for your help
[02:30] <WhitePelican> thanks*
[02:30] <GridCube> :D i just googled :P
[02:30] <WhitePelican> :)
[02:38] <WhitePelican> that actyally helped with xine too
[02:39] <WhitePelican> actually*
[03:14] <ttenorio> galera, tem como instalar o drive amd hd 6310 legal no xubuntu?
[03:15] <ttenorio> guys, is to install the drive in xubuntu amd hd 6310?
[03:19] <Unit193> !es
[03:22] <ttenorio> es la instalación de la unidad de AMD HD 6310 legal en Xubuntu?
[04:51] <Mokura> Apparently I must have scared something, since my /var/log is taking up about 8 GB of space on a 20GB hard drive.
[04:51] <Mokura> How in the world should I resolve this?  Googling gets me a lot of stuff about log rotation, which I'm not sure how to do.
[04:52] <Mokura> ...the kernel log being about 3.7GB of that.
[05:44] <frankbro> Anyone has an awesome thunar context menu script that has dropbox and/or tortoisehg?
[05:45] <Satellite_> Hi, has anyone else had Steam just sitting at 'Connecting' after a fresh install of Xubuntu 12.04?
[05:47] <frankbro> Satellite_, I had an issue like that with wow tho. I typed "export WINEDEBUG=warn+all" and started from terminal and it magically worked. Try it maybe.
[07:18] <xubuntu130> Too tired to continue tonight, but has anyone gotten compiz to work without killing window manager using nvidia binaries?
[07:18] <xubuntu130> xubuntu 12.04
[07:18] <xubuntu130> BTW, new at this IRC stuff
[07:53] <flux242> hi, I've installed vim but it seems like I cannot change the colorscheme in the xfce4-terminal. Is it a bug or a feature of the 12.04 release?
[07:54] <AxD09> edit ~/.config/Terminal/terminalrc and remove all the color lines for default colors
[07:55] <flux242> do you mean all colorpalette entries?
[07:55] <AxD09> not sure... might wanna make a backup
[07:59] <flux242> doesn't seem to help
[07:59] <AxD09> You weren't trying to change the terminal color scheme?
[08:01] <flux242> I was definitely trying to change the scheme
[08:02] <AxD09> hmm worked for me. You can change the terminal color scheme from preferences.
[08:02] <flux242> what works for you?
[08:03] <AxD09> modifying the terminalrc and removing the predefined 12.04 colors
[08:03] <flux242> I'm talking about vim colors you know?
[08:03] <AxD09> so not the terminal color scheme? vim's color scheme
[08:04] <flux242> vim's color scheme is not changable in the xfce4-terminal
[08:05] <AxD09> no clue. never had to change vim's color scheme
[08:05] <flux242> it worked for me before
[08:05] <flux242> something has been changed in the terminal
[08:06] <AxD09> here's somethin on a quick google - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1669675
[08:12] <flux242>  I've tried the xterm and it doesn't work there too. strange
[09:46] <xubuntu515> how to install program on xubuntu
[09:46] <xubuntu515> ????????????????
[09:46] <xubuntu515> o day co ai la nguoi viet nam khong ????
[09:47] <xubuntu515> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[09:47] <Os_Maleus> xubuntu515: You can use the synaptic package manager. this is a graphical interface.
[09:48] <xubuntu515> with terminal ???
[09:48] <baizon> xubuntu515: sudo apt-get install <app>
[09:48] <Os_Maleus> xubuntu515: you can also use the "sudo apt-get install [program-name]" in the terminal
[09:49] <xubuntu515> how to open root
[09:49] <Os_Maleus> or you can do that with aptitude as well. also in the terminal.
[09:49] <xubuntu515> Root ???
[09:49] <Os_Maleus> (x)ubuntu doesn't have a root profile.
[09:49] <xubuntu515> sudo nautilus ???
[09:49] <Os_Maleus> You are root.
[09:49] <xubuntu515> ok
[09:50] <baizon> xubuntu515: root access is sudo -i
[09:50] <Os_Maleus> no explicit root profile!
[09:50] <Os_Maleus> that is what makes ubuntu more secure.
[09:51] <Os_Maleus> but if You are not familar with the things, I would use only the 'sudo' without the "-i"
[09:51] <Os_Maleus> or even better the 'gksudo'.
[09:52] <xubuntu515> gksudo = sudo ??
[09:52] <Os_Maleus> it is a sudo that protects Your graphical dependencies.
[11:08] <xubuntu-vader> hi
[11:10] <aquix> hi. your death star runs xubuntu?
[11:10] <xubuntu-vader> yes
[11:10] <aquix> seems about right
[12:41] <saitax> hi i have ploblem with automounting from devices. How can i put it off. I have put off in my userprofil and in Storage medias that my system dont automount devices.
[12:41] <saitax> Where should i do it else?
[12:46] <aguitel> anyway to install xfce 4.10 in 12.04?
[12:46] <laite> Hi, sorry to bother once again but I _really_ would like xubuntu if I only could get HDMI audio to work: problem is that audio+video works through HDMI if 1) TV is on during boot, or 2) I take HDMI cable off and plug it back in immediately
[12:47] <laite> but if I boot with TV closed and then just turn it on, only video works - not audio
[12:47] <Unit193> aguitel: Not officially, and not supported, but there is a PPA for it.
[12:47] <laite> even aplay -D ... does nothing on HDMI channel
[12:48] <laite> is there way to 'virtually re-plug' HDMI cable?
[12:49] <aguitel> Unit193, this ppa? ppa:mrpouit/ppa
[12:49] <Unit193> Yep
[12:50] <aguitel> Unit193, is xfce 4.10pre
[12:56] <jacky> 105
[13:01] <Unit193> That's as close as you get, later on it'll be in xubuntu-dev/
[13:02] <Unit193> https://plus.google.com/112064450121097287690/posts/hcgQQ2hqJit
[13:03] <grimnik> hi anyone here who is willing to help me out with tar.gz files?
[13:04] <grimnik> ./configure doesnt work anyone got some help on that?
[13:04] <knome> grimnik, are you trying to build something?
[13:04] <grimnik> yes
[13:05] <Unit193> Should have a readme.
[13:05] <knome> in that case, start by installing the build-essential package
[13:05] <knome> that helps a lot, and usually the config scripts throw verbose errors
[13:07] <xubuntu310> Hi, I need urgent help. Anybody around?
[13:07] <knome> !anyone
[13:07] <grimnik> knome ... installed build-essentials    ./configure still isnt working :s
[13:08] <knome> grimnik, then start reading what it outputs
[13:08] <xubuntu310> I suspended my computer with Xubuntu 12.04. It didn't wake up. Not even after rebooting (by pressing the power button).
[13:09] <xubuntu310> It doesn't get to Bios, so I can't even use a livecd.
[13:09] <grimnik> bash: ./configure: Files or directory not found  ... this is what i find wierd
[13:10] <xubuntu310> It's an Acer Aspire T660-SB7H
[13:11] <xubuntu310> So, is there any way to ensure I get to BIOS, to "reset" it, or something? I don't really know what to do now :(
[13:11] <ochosi> xubuntu310: a hardware reset (holding the power-button for ~10sec) should _always_ work (unless it's a hardware problem)
[13:12] <aquix> xubuntu310, try pressing   shift on boot for grub,   or  del   for bios.    Depends on the bios, they uses different keyboard shortcuts.
[13:13] <grimnik> knome when i type ./configure it outputs : bash:  ./configure: File or Directory does not exist
[13:14] <ochosi> grimnik: then you're either in the wrong directory or the build works differently with your tarball
[13:14] <knome> grimnik, as Unit193 says, please find a readme file and read it
[13:14] <xubuntu310> ochosi aquix: My BIOS shows a screen, it's not arriving even there. It looks like it tries to read from disk, and get's stuck there.
[13:15] <ochosi> xubuntu310: sometimes bios takes long after a hardware reset, can take more than a minute, how long have you waited?
[13:15] <aquix> the bios flash screen should say what keys to press to enter  bios?
[13:15] <grimnik> ochosi, knome  im doin what the install readme tells me to do and im in the right directory,  it seems my terminal doesnt see ./configure as a vallid command  ...
[13:15] <xubuntu310> ochosi: I think more, but I will wait more. Thanks
[13:16] <ochosi> xubuntu310: np
[13:16] <ochosi> grimnik: what exactly are you trying to build?
[13:16] <knome> grimnik, in that case, contact the one who created the package
[13:17] <grimnik> knome qjoypad-4.1.0.tar.gz
[13:17] <aquix> ochosi, you have extracted the tar.gz to a folder  and work from there?
[13:17] <aquix> grimnik,  sorry ochosi  :)
[13:18] <ochosi> aquix: np ;)
[13:18] <grimnik> aquix yes that step worked fine the files is extracted into /tmp
[13:18] <knome> grimnik, i'm reading the readme file, and it's not saying to run ./configure
[13:19] <knome> grimnik, would you please try again reading the file?
[13:19] <knome> grimnik, section 2.2 "installation"
[13:19] <grimnik> knome k indeed it sai
[13:19] <ochosi> grimnik: read the INSTALL.txt file, it has detailed build-instructions
[13:19] <xubuntu310> ochosi: It looks like it is a harsware problem. I'm going to try to reset the BIOS by removing the battery. Thank you for the help.
[13:20] <ochosi> xubuntu310: hm, that's odd. sorry to hear and good luck
[13:20] <grimnik> knome k indeed it says to run ./config ... same deal doesnt do nuts
[13:20] <aquix> tmp?   don't use that folder, extract it to a new folder in your download folder instead. Best to leave /tmp alone for the system.
[13:21] <ochosi> grimnik: are you in the src subdir?
[13:21] <ochosi> grimnik: it definitely doesn't do nothing, here it just complains about missing dependencies
[13:21] <aquix> xubuntu310, , if your really stuck see if you can find a button for a cmos reset.
[13:22] <grimnik> ochosi k that helped me further ... still got some errors but i think i can manage from here thx all :)
[13:23] <ochosi> grimnik: yw
[13:28] <xubuntu310> aquix: I found the jumper and did it. It's dead. If suspending is not possible, they should remove the suspending button by default.
[13:30] <knome> i don't think any OS can probe for broken hardware, if that is what you mean
[13:31] <xubuntu310> I want to think it was not because of linux. But everything worked fine las months, until I tried to suspend. So it sure looks like it was because of that.
[13:31] <xubuntu310> *last
[13:31] <aquix> xubuntu310, but you could get into bios now?
[13:32] <aquix> yeah, suspend/hibernate problems pop up from time to time. what you get for being a OS maverick :)
[13:32] <xubuntu310> aquix: No.
[13:33] <xubuntu310> I really like linux, and after the Unity hell Xubuntu looked so nice and worked so flawlesly. I'm using it on my netbook without complaints.
[13:34] <xubuntu310> And I don't really care if I can not suspend. But don't leave the button there, if it doesn't usually work.
[13:34] <xubuntu310> Well, thanks everybody. Leaving now. Bye
[13:34] <aquix> take care
[13:39] <grimnik> woot got my gamepad working and i can map the keys to keyboard  ^^  leaving now thx again to everyone i annoyed xD
[13:49] <saitax> hi i have ploblem with automounting from devices. How can i put it off. I have put off in my userprofil and in Storage medias that my system dont automount devices.
[13:49] <saitax> What should i do it else?
[13:53] <aquix> saitax, you want to mount  a hard drive on startup?
[13:54] <saitax> no when i plug in a usb storage drive
[13:54] <saitax> it will automount
[13:54] <saitax> but i dont want that is automount
[13:54] <saitax> i want manual mount it
[13:55] <aquix> ah
[13:55] <xubuntu334> hi
[13:56] <aquix> saitax,  and you turned it of in 'Removable drives' in settings?
[13:56] <saitax> jep
[13:57] <saitax> and in my user profile
[13:58] <aquix> user profile?   (new to xfce)
[13:59] <saitax> in systemsettings/users there you can set off automount medias
[13:59] <saitax> this  i have done
[14:01] <aquix> saitax, sorry. I have no idea. It should work just turning of automount.   You don't have any entries for it in /etc/fstab   that mounts the drive?
[14:01] <saitax> no in fstab i have only my local drives
[14:05] <ochosi> saitax: are you talking about usb-drives?
[14:05] <saitax> jep
[14:06] <aquix> saitax,  looks like you can turn it of with dconf-editor    http://askubuntu.com/questions/42575/how-to-disable-mounting-of-external-drive-at-boot
[14:06] <aquix> thats for ubuntu and gnome3 but I found the options in dconf here on xubuntu 12.04
[14:07] <saitax> aquix  ok thanks i will read it and try
[14:07] <aquix> np
[14:09] <ochosi> saitax: tbh for me changing the setting in thunar's external volume settings always worked
[14:10] <saitax> in xubuntu 11.10 it works also for me.
[14:10] <saitax> aafter i ve done the update it doesnt work :-)
[14:10] <saitax> to 12.04
[14:11] <aguitel> how install themes  in xfce ?
[14:11] <ochosi> saitax: still works for me in 12.04 (clean install though)
[14:11] <saitax> i have done allthough a clean install
[14:12] <ochosi> aguitel: download the tarball from the interwebs, then extract into ~/.themes and then change theme in the appearance-dialog
[14:12] <aguitel> ochosi, there is no .themes folder in my system ,i create ?
[14:12] <Sysi> yup
[14:21] <aguitel> bisigi themes are working in xfce ?
[14:22] <aquix> bisigi is gtk2 themes, so don 't think so
[14:22] <aquix> nice pack tho
[14:24] <ochosi> xfce is all gtk2
[14:25] <ochosi> but most gnome-applications have been ported to gtk3
[14:28] <aquix> hmmmm, looks like bisigi will be ported to gnome 3.  I was sure the project was discontinued last year.
[14:29] <aguitel> i cannot add bisigi ppa in 12.04
[14:32] <aquix> aguitel, ir you look in the drop down menu here, presice isn't supported   https://launchpad.net/~bisigi/+archive/ppa
[14:32] <aguitel> aquix, ok
[14:34] <aguitel> aquix, read this:http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/03/how-to-install-bisigi-themes-under.html
[14:35] <Fumo-desu> Guys, sorry for my poor english :) Greetings to all there. Is there a someone who's speakin' russian?
[14:36] <aguitel> Fumo-desu, i think mr putin are
[14:36] <Fumo-desu> :D
[14:36] <Fumo-desu> Very funny.
[14:36] <Fumo-desu> Seriously :)
[14:37] <knome> !ru | Fumo-desu
[14:37] <aguitel> everybody english
[14:38] <Fumo-desu> Okay.
[14:38] <aquix> aguitel,  I'm not sure that will work with xfce, but you could try.
[14:39] <Sysi> loco channels do all flavours, if anybody has ansver
[14:40] <aguitel> aquix, i installed
[14:40] <aguitel> aquix, nice
[14:44] <aguitel> how install libreoffice ?
[14:45] <Sysi> with package manager
[14:45] <aguitel> under command line?
[14:45] <aguitel> i never use gui
[14:45] <Sysi> apt-get update ; apt-get install libreoffice libreoffice-gtk
[14:45] <aguitel> Sysi, ok
[14:48] <Marzata> aguitel: you use LO in terminal?
[14:48] <Sysi> sounds like emacs
[14:54] <astraljava> No, asked for how to _install_ in command line.
[14:57] <aguitel> Marzata, what is LO ?
[14:58] <Marzata> aguitel: LibreOffice, no?
[14:58] <aguitel> Marzata, yes
[15:52] <Ariel_Calzada> hi i'm using terminator and midnight commander, when i press F10 it shows the "right click menu" how can i solve this problem?
[15:56] <knome> Ariel_Calzada, check terminators settings
[15:56] <Ariel_Calzada> knome: how?
[15:56] <knome> Ariel_Calzada, at least xfce4-terminal has a setting to disable those keystrokes
[15:56] <knome> no idea, i don't know terminator
[15:57] <knome> but i'd start from the menus
[16:01] <Ariel_Calzada> knome: that's the doubt there's no menu
[16:01] <Ariel_Calzada> :D
[16:04] <theluckymike> I installed xubuntu on my gf laptop, but there is 1 very wierd lag - when system is idle it just don't work - nothing works there. When I move mouse all proceses start to work normally
[16:10] <GridCube> O_o
[16:10] <GridCube> first time i ever heard of that
[16:11] <theluckymike> yea ;/ but anyway - when i try to launch something, for example firefox - if I click on icon and don't move mouse - nothing happens, at the moment when I press any key on keyboard or move ouse it launches emediatly
[16:12] <GridCube> theluckymike, let me do some resarch
[16:13] <theluckymike> GridCube shoud I add some bugreport or smth? I dont have experience with that, but I couldnt find answer on forums ;/
[16:13] <GridCube> theluckymike, yes, yes you should
[16:20] <theluckymike> GridCube I think il try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1358228 just found it..
[16:22] <GridCube> theluckymike, that does look like your problem
[16:22] <GridCube> but in any case, please report it
[16:22] <GridCube> its important to keep track of this issues
[16:22] <theluckymike> were and how I should do it?
[16:23] <GridCube> theluckymike, the problem apparently is in the kernel level, correct?
[16:24] <GridCube> yes, kernel
[16:24] <GridCube> then do this, on a terminal write: ubuntubug kernel
[16:25] <GridCube> and it will compile information about the kernel and your system and send it to launchpad
[16:25] <GridCube> do  you have an account on launchpad?
[16:29] <theluckymike> i think not
[16:30] <theluckymike> GridCube https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14646 this could be that bug?
[16:30] <GridCube> i really have no idea what that all means
[17:04] <n2diy> I'm going to dabble with HTML, any suggestions for the best WYSIWYG HTML editor?
[17:05] <GridCube> !best
[17:05] <GridCube> i like geany
[17:40] <theluckymike> yee, im in my xubuntu system again
[17:40] <theluckymike> :D
[17:42] <GridCube> :D
[17:42] <GridCube> stuff works now?
[17:42] <theluckymike> GridCube, can u give me that link again plz?
[17:43] <GridCube> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14646
[17:43] <GridCube> this one?
[17:43] <GridCube> or this one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1358228
[17:43] <theluckymike> i have to find out how to completely turn off pcmica
[17:43] <theluckymike> ohh thx
[19:01] <_jay> quick question, is there a way to make the window drag points bigger? Resizing them requires surgical precision atm
[19:01] <chamPAIN> Just switched to Xubuntu and I have script that needs to read a file from the /tmp folder. It fails, and I can't cat that file. Are there any special properties to the /tmp folder or files therein?
[19:01] <_jay> *btw just installed it, seems very nice besides that :)
[19:03] <GridCube> !faq | _jay
[19:03] <_jay> ok thanks
[19:03] <GridCube> _jay, http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/  Number 3
[19:05] <chamPAIN> At the tail end of the script is the following error: http://sprunge.us/IKcb. It's because nothing is being passed to dig for the reverse host lookup (option -x).
[19:06] <chamPAIN> When catting the filename in the tmp folder no such file error is returned.
[19:07] <GridCube> wouldnt know chamPAIN
[19:08] <chamPAIN> No problem. Let me know if you've ever had any program run across tmp write issues. I'll try my hand around and see what else I can find.
[19:15] <GridCube> chamPAIN, i dont understand your error log
[19:15] <GridCube> it says ERROR: cannot reach vps6966 (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[19:15] <GridCube> can you reach that from your system?
[19:16] <chamPAIN> Yes, I'm able to get there. http://sprunge.us/GdJO
[19:17] <chamPAIN> Part of the script fails if it can't create the connection and that error is part of the script that lets me know it's not working.
[19:18] <GridCube> yes i see that, you should check the "powepanel" that says there in the error log
[19:18] <GridCube> :P
[19:19] <chamPAIN> Yeah, I see what you mean. There's a lot going on in this script. PowerPanel lets me know that the server is active and operational. I can get into it. Rather this is a tool I use to shorthand the login process.
[19:19] <GridCube> :P
[19:19] <GridCube> i dont know
[19:21] <chamPAIN> Thanks for the effort. I can't expect you to know about this tool. I was wondering if there was any known issues with writing tmp files. I'm still cracking at it.
[19:22] <GridCube> chamPAIN, i think that your error is more about a conectivity issue than a writing permission
[19:23] <chamPAIN> I'd be tempted to agree with you. Save that this script works with SSH to log in to a server. If I make every step by hand: finding the credentials, the hostname, and logging in, I can get in ok.
[19:23] <chamPAIN> What I see is that the initial hostname works ok, then it tries to pass that information to the login part of the script via a temporary file.
[19:24] <GridCube> chamPAIN, i know this isnt the "best" solution, and might do more harm that good, but tried running your script with sudo?
[19:24] <chamPAIN> Haha, yes!
[19:25] <chamPAIN> Figured that would blow away any permissions issues, like you did. But it didn't work.
[19:25] <GridCube> then again, i think its a conectivity issue, not a permission one
[19:26] <chamPAIN> I can see how that makes sense. Until I can rule it out completely I'll keep it in mind.
[19:30] <chamPAIN> Script relied on traceroute.
[19:30] <chamPAIN> It wasn't installed.
[19:30] <chamPAIN> LOL
[19:30] <chamPAIN> Fixed.
[19:30] <GridCube> :P
[19:30] <GridCube> told you :3
[19:31] <chamPAIN> You were right! Thanks. Have a hilarious picture: http://i.imgur.com/ZKnlQ.jpg
[19:42] <peterk1664> can anyone help me with installling xubutu 12.04, i kepp getting and error msg halfway through the install
[19:45] <GridCube> peterk1664, what error?
[19:46] <peterk1664> it says that to contue the installation i must run from cd and investigate from there
[19:47] <GridCube> peterk1664, are you connected from the installer now?
[19:47] <GridCube> can you share a screenshot of your error?
[19:47] <GridCube> !imagebin
[19:48] <peterk1664> no im not on it at the moment, ill get the details and come back
[19:51] <ochosi> peterk1664: a potential problem is an invalid download, you could check the md5 sum of your download or if you burnt a cd, you could check whether there was a problem with that
[19:53] <peterk1664> iv downloaded and burnt a couple of times but with the same result
[19:54] <ochosi> right
[20:21] <xubuntu607> Hello gentlemen
[20:21] <baizon> welcome xubuntu607
[20:28] <xubuntu607> Xubuntu 12.04 installation is finished. See you all on the other side
[20:43] <aquix> Does anyone have any good links to read up on xfce and xubuntu?
[22:16] <lalo> hola
[22:16] <bryguy_> helllloo
[22:16] <lalo> no Spanish
[22:16] <bryguy_> mines english
[22:16] <lalo> ok thanks
[23:43] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/news/brainstorming-the-12-10-release/
[23:48] <GeminiDomino> I just did a clean install of xubuntu 12.04 desktop, and it won't let me login to the gui. I know the user/pass is right because if I switch out to the CLI, I can login to the shell. When I login to the gui, though, the screen goes black for a second, then reloads to the login screen
[23:48] <GridCube> :( yes i know that
[23:49] <GridCube> the only way i know of fixing that is replacing lightdm with gdm
[23:49] <AxD09> Did you change the lightdm.conf?
[23:49] <GeminiDomino> AxD09: Me? No, I haven't touched it. It's literally the first boot after install
[23:50] <AxD09> ah, was just a thought. If the config has invalid lines in does the same to me.
[23:50] <GridCube> GeminiDomino, as said, i've seen this before, as said, the only workaround i know, its to replace lightdm with gdm
[23:50] <GeminiDomino> GridCube: I believe you. I just have to figure out how to set up my wireless card without GUI access in order to get GDM
[23:51] <GridCube> oh
[23:51] <AxD09> shouldn't be hard if the card is recognized
[23:51] <GridCube> GeminiDomino, from a tty launch sudo startx -- :2
[23:52] <GeminiDomino> I'll try that
[23:53] <GridCube> it should launch you a xterm session and you should be able to launch nm-connection-editor
[23:53] <GeminiDomino> AxD09: Dunno if it is or not. It's a broadcom, which has been historically a PITA
[23:53] <GridCube> even more GeminiDomino if you had network while installing it should be working, hopefully
[23:54] <AxD09> iwconfig should list recognized cards
[23:55] <GridCube> GeminiDomino, you could, you know cable it for a while :P
[23:55] <GeminiDomino> yeah, it's working. So I should just have to "apt-get install gdm" and remove lightdm?
[23:56] <GeminiDomino> damn. Getting the GDM login now, but the same result
[23:57] <GridCube> i would first: sudo service lightdm stop
[23:57] <GridCube> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get purge lightdm && sudo apt-get install gdm
[23:59] <GeminiDomino> nope, no dice... dammit all
[23:59] <AxD09> doesn't sound like the problem is the login manager


[05:46] <dholbach> good morning
[05:46] <fabrice_sp> morning
[05:48] <dholbach> hiya fabrice_sp
[05:48] <fabrice_sp> Hi dholbach
[05:49] <fabrice_sp> isn't it a bit early for you also?
[05:49] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[05:49] <dholbach> 6:50 here
[05:49] <fabrice_sp> The same here
[05:50] <dholbach> I get so excited in the morning because of work with all you guys that I can't go back to sleep ;-)
[05:52] <fabrice_sp> \o/ dholbach
[06:08] <porthose> dholback: ping
[06:08] <dholbach> porthose: I'm "dholbach" :-)
[06:08] <dholbach> porthose: what can I do for you?
[06:09] <porthose> during your busy day today
[06:09] <porthose> would you sponsor an FFe for me?
[06:09] <dholbach> porthose: is the FFe ACKed already?
[06:09] <porthose> yes +2
[06:09] <dholbach> great, bug number?
[06:10] <porthose> #263405
[06:10] <dholbach> bug 263405
[06:13] <dholbach> porthose: I saw that in the sponsoring queue for a while and thought "ah yeah, that's emgent's apache-related project - why doesn't he take care of it"..... seems that I'm mistaken (rapache <-> ampache)
[06:13] <dholbach> I'll take a look at it in a bit
[06:13] <porthose> k thanks :)
[06:36] <dholbach> porthose: uploaded
[06:36] <porthose> dholback: thanks :)
[06:36] <dholbach> "dholbacH" :-)
[06:37] <porthose> aaahhh ooppps sorry :-[
[06:37] <dholbach> don't worry - I just wondered, why you don't use tab-completion there :-)
[06:38] <porthose> didn't know about it, will have to read more  about it:-[
[06:39] <dholbach> which IRC client do you use?
[06:39] <dholbach> typing   "dhol<tab>"    should auto-complete the name for you
[06:39] <porthose> oohh ok
[06:40] <porthose> pidwin I think the one that comes with hardy
[06:40] <dholbach> ah ok
[06:42] <porthose> hey it's 0100hr here give me a break the brain is dead :)
[06:42] <dholbach> I wasn't complaining :)
[06:42] <porthose> Im still brain dead hehe :)
[06:43] <porthose> dholbach:  thanks and good night :)
[06:46] <wgrant> dholbach: Do people mispronounce your name like that IRL too?
[06:46] <dholbach> wgrant: "Holbach" is not very easy for native English speakers
[06:46] <wgrant> I hope I have it right.
[06:46] <dholbach> "holback" is pretty common there
[06:46] <wgrant> Ew.
[06:47] <dholbach> I don't mind :)
[06:47] <dholbach> I guess they have more problems with "Sébastien Bacher" :)
[06:47] <dholbach> everybody says "Sebastian" and doesn't bother to pronounce "Bacher" at all :)
[06:48] <dholbach> or just "Seb"
[07:04] <jml> dholbach: isn't there a lot of variation in Germany for pronouncing 'Holbach' though?
[07:17] <dholbach> jml: there's just two groups of people, some say "Hohlbach" (long o) and others say "Hollbach" (very short o)
[07:18] <persia> dholbach: Are there not also variations in pronunciation of 'ch': while it's rarely 'k', I'd expect that it would move from the back of the throat through the middle of the mouth, depending on region.
[07:18] <jml> what about the 'ch'? I've been told that Kölners make it sound like the English "sh"
[07:32] <dholbach> persia: "Bach" is a pretty common word - it's "brook" in English, so everybody gets it right
[07:33] <persia> dholbach: Oh, I was sure it was "right", just for different values of "right".  An example from English would be the wide variety of ways to pronounce "creek"
[07:38] <dholbach> jml: "ch" can be "ç" or in the Köln region a bit more like "ʃ", but also "ʜ" (the throat sound in the "ch" of "Bach")
[07:38] <dholbach> I hope I got the phonetics right
[07:38] <dholbach> this is how I pronounce my name: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJzM2LNOtWU :-)
[07:47] <jml> dholbach: is this a cunning trick to get me to upgrade some packages?
[07:48] <dholbach> jml: :-)
[07:49] <jml> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyEl3w7SFK4&feature=related is actually more my speed :)
[07:49] <dholbach> jml: I should have taken the "MOTU - Getting Started" one.... you're right :)
[07:49] <dholbach> hehe
[07:50] <jml> I now have at least three motives for becoming a MOTU, I should really get my act in gear.
[08:50] <iulian> Good morning.
[09:57] <pochu> hi all
[09:57] <pochu> is there anybody from motu-release?
[10:02] <TheMuso> pochu: Yep.
[10:02] <pochu> hi TheMuso
[10:03] <pochu> TheMuso: is it neccessary to write a bug report for every upload saying it's bug fix only, attaching the changelog entry? I thought it wasn't neccessary but it's been pointed to me that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess says that (under the motu-release bug fix only section)
[10:04] <TheMuso> pochu: I can't remember off hand, I jsut refer to the docs in cases where I am not immediately sure.
[10:05] <pochu> TheMuso: ok, I'll mail ubuntu-motu@ to clarify it
[10:05] <Hobbsee> pochu: if you don't, i doubt you'll get caught up regardless.
[10:05] <pochu> TheMuso: thanks
[10:05] <persia> pochu: I've always felt that that clause only applied in cases where there was a new upstream version, to confirm, but it's leftovers from when we had an explicit UpstreamVersionFreeze
[10:07] <pochu> I don't think writing a bug report has any value if I can upload without anybody reviewing it
[10:07] <pochu> it's just an annoyance
[10:08] <Hobbsee> pochu: i agree with you, but got overruled.
[10:10] <norsetto> pochu: if you write it in the changelog entry is enough, bug report is only necessary for things that do not get uploaded directly (like syncs, or sponsoring requests)
[10:11] <persia> pochu: Filing a bug report for something you're fixing has value for documentation purposes.  It allows one to provide significantly greater verbosity about the issue than one would want to include in debian/changelog
[10:12] <persia> Note that it's not appopriate in all cases, but can be useful in some.
[10:15] <pochu> norsetto: I see. in those cases (e.g. sync request) is it necessary to put the upstream changelog diff, or just saying it's a bug fix only release is good enough?
[10:15] <norsetto> pochu: the more you document the more is obviously better
[10:16] <persia> pochu: The basic rule of thumb is to provide enough documentation that nobody can complain that you did it wrong later.
[10:16] <iulian> RainCT: ping
[10:17] <pochu> persia: that makes sense
[10:17] <norsetto> pochu: what persia said can also be said in shorter words "CYA", a useful acronym in real-life (tm) too
[10:18] <pochu> heh
[10:18] <persia> Well, it's also interesting for changelog readers.  I read changelogs, and I much prefer to see quick snippets, and only read the details if they interest me.
[10:19] <persia> I don't like the habit of some people pasting all of NEWS into the changelog: it no longer makes narrative sense.
[10:19] <pochu> I still would like to be able to request syncs or upload new revisions or whatever without having to put a changelog.diff in a bug report, so could we update the policy? :)
[10:20] <persia> pochu: It's considered best practice to put a debian/changelog diff in a sync request, even when we're not in a freeze.
[10:20] <persia> For new upstream revisions, it's not hard to copy the content into the description when filing a bug, and you'll want to cover yourself anyway.
[10:21] <pochu> persia: right, I'm talking about the upstream ChangeLog, sorry
[10:21] <persia> For most uploads, the debian/changelog is going to get posted to several relevant bugs anyway.
[10:21] <norsetto> pochu: and don't get yelled at by those nasty archive admins
[10:21] <pochu> heh, in this case it was a contributor :)
[10:21] <persia> pochu: I think that belongs in the bug, so I can view it easily without having to download and extract the package if I have questions.
[10:22] <pochu> but he was backed up by policy, so I can't complain ;)
[10:22] <persia> pochu: Also, especially because of the hack in CDBS to not ship upstream changelogs, I need to get it somewhere.
[10:22] <pochu> right
[10:22] <persia> pochu: So, while I understand you don't want to post it, please do, because I might want to read it.
[10:23] <persia> (and that's as a *user*, not as a developer)
[10:23] <pochu> so if consensus is to have it there, I'll try to do it
[10:23] <persia> I'm not sure it should be in policy: just because I want to read it doesn't mean you shouldn't have a policy debate, but it's at least a use case for having it.
[11:00] <iulian> git show 5fe08835
[11:00] <iulian> Ooups
[11:00] <iulian> Fail
[11:05] <pochu> mail sent about FFe
[11:16] <didrocks> hi, I try to find from which package /usr/include/netinet/in.h is installed from
[11:16] <didrocks> $ dpkg-query -l /usr/include/netinet/in.h give me "no package corresponding to ..."
[11:16] <didrocks> I don't really see why :)
[11:17] <torkel> didrocks: dpkg -S /usr/include/netinet/in.h
[11:18] <didrocks> what's the difference beetween the two commands?
[11:19] <torkel> didrocks: dpkg-query -l wants a package name not a file in the package
[11:19] <torkel> s/the/a
[11:19] <didrocks> yes, I misread the man, sorry :/
[11:19] <didrocks> thanks a lot torkel, it worked :)
[11:21] <norsetto> didrocks: you may want to use apt-file if you don't have the package installed
[11:22] <didrocks> norsetto: apt-file search <file>, isn't it?
[11:22] <norsetto> didrocks: indeed
[11:22] <didrocks> norsetto: thanks, very useful :)
[11:28] <persia> Note that apt-file may be out of date (as Contents.gz isn't updated with everypublisher run), and often doesn't work early in a cycle (as there is yet no Contents.gz).
[12:44] <nhandler> Is anyone else here receiving an error message when they try and install kdebase-runtime?
[12:57] <iulian> Wow - octaviz takes ages to build!
[12:58] <iulian> On my lappy of course, no idea if it takes so much time on other machines.
[15:23] <nxvl> bash-completion is the package in charge of making all the non-commands completions? or there is another package?
[15:23] <Hobbsee> nxvl: command-not-found
[15:24] <persia> nxvl: You'll want to look in all of bash, bash-completions, and command-not-found
[15:24] <nxvl> what i want is to type 'apt-get inst' then tab and it completes 'install'
[15:24] <nxvl> is that what those packages are for?
[15:25] <nxvl> oh!
[15:25] <persia> nxvl: I think that's in bash-completions, but some completions are in bash directly.  Look at the packages to determine which is correct for apt-get
[15:25] <nxvl> command-not-found is that awesome magical package that tell me what to install to get that command?
[15:25] <nxvl> awesome!
[15:25]  * nxvl HUGS Hobbsee and persia
[15:26]  * persia doesn't like command-not-found because it keeps making suggestions for "les" when I'm not sure whether I want ls or less.
[15:32] <superm1> persia, make an alias in your bashrc for les -> less
[15:32] <superm1> persia, that's what i did a log time ago for sl
[15:33] <slytherin> nxvl: bash-completion is the one you are looking for. And many packages install completion logic. ex pbuilder.
[15:39] <_ruben> superm1: got a question about dkms .. im failing to find out if dkms can be used for distributing binary packages .. all 'docs' ive seen on it, show "build-on-install" .. and i dont want to have to build it on all machines i want a certain 3rd party kmod
[15:39] <superm1> _ruben, yes you can distribute prebuilt kernel modules with it
[15:39] <soren> Which package do I file FFe's against when it's about a new package?
[15:39] <superm1> _ruben, there are options when building to only include the binary or only the source instead of both
[15:39] <soren> Just file it against "ubuntu"?
[15:40] <_ruben> superm1: hmm .. must've been missing that then
[15:40] <_ruben> superm1: which doc/link/whatever do you suggest for getting started with dkms?
[15:40] <superm1> _ruben, but be wary of shipping with just the binary module, particularly because newer kernel ABI's are added to Ubuntu.
[15:41] <superm1> _ruben, a combination between the manpage and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/DkmsDriverPackage
[15:41] <tillux> heya there. is there a way to create a gtk/whatever gui in order to replace an existing ncurse one?
[15:41] <_ruben> superm1: ah, hadnt checked the man page (shame on me) .. the h.u.c url looks familiar though
[15:42] <superm1> _ruben, and http://linux.dell.com/git/?p=dkms.git;a=blob;f=debian/HOWTO.Debian;h=532e5b9d996e97d678eddfe807a79a746abcd6ba;hb=HEAD gives a small overview
[15:42] <superm1> that howto is in the package's /usr/share/doc directory of course
[15:42] <superm1> but the man page will tell you a lot of options that aren't discussed in other howtos
[15:43] <superm1> so yeah shame on you :)
[15:43] <ssaboum> hi everyone
[15:43] <_ruben> superm1: i'll go hide in shame now :)
[15:48] <ssaboum> hi rain
[15:49] <ssaboum> i worked on the branch of revu about email subscription
[15:49] <ssaboum> if you want to check it out
[16:01] <norsetto> RainCT ^^
[16:06] <bddebian> Heya gang
[16:11] <compengi> hello all. i'm interested in learning how to build dep packages and joining your team. i followed a video guide from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Videos everything went just fine, untill i was going to run "debuild -S -sa" i received an error debuild: fatal error at line 1247: dpkg-source -b ed-0.9 failed. any ideas?
[16:18] <directhex> need the complete error log
[16:18] <directhex> in isolation that doesn't say enough
[16:21] <compengi> okay. 1 second
[16:22] <compengi> directhex, http://paste.ubuntu.com/46274/
[16:26] <norsetto> compengi: looks like you have a (editor backup ?) binary file left into debian
[16:28] <compengi> norsetto, i don't really know what you mean. i was just following the steps as the video showed
[16:28] <nxvl> has someone see this error before -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/46277/
[16:29] <slytherin> compengi: check if there is any file with extension .swp in debian/ directory
[16:29] <compengi> norsetto, and in debian there is only those files "changelog  compat  control  copyright  rules"
[16:30] <norsetto> compengi: how did you edit changelog? The log you showed us show that your have a binary file called debian/.changelog.swp which should't be there
[16:30] <norsetto> compengi: thats becuase its a dot file, use ls -a to see it
[16:30] <compengi> norsetto, yeah true. it's there. why was it created?
[16:32] <norsetto> compengi: how would I know? My guess is that its a backup file but its just a guess
[16:32] <compengi> norsetto, i see.. and should it be deleted?
[16:32] <norsetto> compengi: yes
[17:46] <ykphuah> after I do apt-get source foopackage, how do I let apply the debian/patches and do a configure, but stop there, without doing make
[17:52] <slytherin> ykphuah: depends on what patch system is used. If it is dpatch then inside source do 'dpatch apply all' I am not sure about other patch systems.
[17:52] <slytherin> ykphuah: You can find out which patch system is being used using command 'what-patch'
[17:53] <ykphuah> slytherin: it uses quilt, so I have generated a patch of my own... which should be applied after all the patches in debian/
[17:53] <ykphuah> slytherin: and now I want to test out the patch.
[17:54] <ykphuah> slytherin: so I just quilt push -a, apply my own patch, then do dpkg-buildpackage?
[17:55] <asomething> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems#quilt
[17:55] <slytherin> ykphuah: I don't understand why are you trying to apply patch manually. But yes, quilt push -a should do.
[17:55] <asomething> ykphuah: with quilt there's a couple extra step
[17:57] <ykphuah> ok, actually, I fixed one of the bugs/annoyances in network-manager, what I did from beginning is, do "apt-get source network-manager", then "dpkg-buildpackage", this will make sure my source directory is applied with those debian/patches, and configured with the correct flags, and then I start editing the source codes.
[17:57] <ykphuah> after I edit the source codes, I do make and make install for testing.
[17:58] <ykphuah> and after I finish doing testing this way, i generated a patch.
[17:58] <ykphuah> move the path I modified as "new", then I do "apt-get source network-manager" again, move that to "old", then I do quilt push on the "old"
[17:58] <ykphuah> and do a diff, take out the parts that I changed.
[17:58] <ykphuah> now I end up with a simple .patch file, which I would like to test.
[17:59] <ykphuah> I have went thru the URL for PatchSystems before, but I haven't really find a page that tells me how to simplify what I described above.
[17:59] <ykphuah> Was I doing it totally wrong way?
[17:59] <ykphuah> i wanted to submit this patch to the launchpad for review.
[17:59] <slytherin> ykphuah: I am not entirely sure that procedure is correct. I suppose dpkg-buildpackage will deapply all patches once it is done with build.
[18:02] <ykphuah> so is there a way to ask dpkg-buildpackage stop halfway?
[18:02] <ykphuah> i assume it does a couple of steps -> patch, configure, make, make install
[18:02] <ykphuah> is there a way to get it to stop halfway? i have read the man pages but couldn't seem to know how.
[18:03] <slytherin> ykphuah: What do you exactly want to do? Test your patch right?
[18:04] <slytherin> ykphuah: I have a doubt that the way you created your patch is right.
[18:04] <ykphuah> slytherin: i want to learn what's the proper way of creating a patch for reviewing in launchpad.
[18:04] <slytherin> ykphuah: But I am no expert in quilt so please wait for someone else to answer.
[18:04]  * slytherin likes dpatch more.
[18:05] <laga_> quilt is teh awesome IMHO. dpatch is a bit clumsy ;)
[18:05] <ykphuah> slytherin: well, so dpkg-buildpackage knows to call quilt or dpatch?
[18:05] <persia> !patch
[18:05] <laga_> although i should use its patch editing more
[18:06] <persia> ykphuah: There are a number of different ways to produce patches in the right format.  The link ubottu just provided is probably the best overview.
[18:06] <slytherin> laga_: quilt is too complex for me.
[18:06] <persia> In the specific case of network-manager, it's probably best to present your fixes as a bzr branch.
[18:06] <persia> (this is not typically true, but that package is special)
[18:06] <laga_> slytherin: i used it for a big patch series of about 150 patches
[18:07] <laga_> and it was awesome for that :) no packaging task, tho
[18:07]  * ykphuah goes off to read the two links
[18:07] <slytherin> ykphuah: Or probably talk directly with asac on #ubuntu-devel to discuss the fix.
[18:09] <sebner> huhu persia :)
[18:10] <slytherin> What is the procedure for request upload permission for a specific package?
[18:11] <persia> slytherin: Apply to the technical board.  It's never yet been approved except in cases where MOTU have access to specific packages in main, or for a single kernel developer.
[18:11] <slytherin> persia: what is the mailing list of technical board?
[18:12] <persia> slytherin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:12] <slytherin> thanks
[18:31] <ScottK-laptop> brandon|work: Do you still have the new upstream tarballs of endeavour2 and avscan?  Upstream has disappeared and I'll need those to be able to backport clamav from Intrepid to Hardy.
[18:44] <brandon|work> ScottK-laptop, possibly, my dev computer crashed a couple weeks ago, but I might have them in backups
[18:44] <brandon|work> if not, I can remake them
[18:51] <ScottK> brandon|work: That'd be great.  Now that 0.94 is in the Intrepid archive (and in Main) and the libclamav4 -> libclamav5 transition is done, I want to start working on the backport.
[18:52] <brandon|work> ok, I will get it up by the end of the weekend (sooner if I have the backups)
[18:55] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks.
[20:24] <karooga> hi, how do I get someone to review on revu?  does it happen automatically?  or do I need to be patient for someone to take a look after FeatureFreeze?
[20:26] <geser> karooga: you need to be very patient
[20:26] <laga_> yeah, unfortunately :/
[20:28] <karooga> geser: no prob.  Docs online just don't specify if it's of the polling or interrupt variety. :-)
[20:29] <geser> karooga: do you have an exception to get this package into intrepid? if no, then don't expect much review before the intrepid release
[20:32] <karooga> geser: no no exception for intrepid.  (Just a first time package / packager...)
[20:47] <norsetto> geser: how important is it that we do this switch to openjdk-6 for intrepid ?
[20:54] <geser> norsetto: I don't know if it's a release goal (do we have any for universe?). But openjdk-6 is the default JRE so it would be really nice if the -java package use it (especially when they use the non-free sun-java-* packages now)
[20:55] <norsetto> geser: sure, I understand its nice, I'm just trying to understand the benefit of allowing this versus the potential of breaking things
[20:56] <norsetto> geser: is there a need to patch upstream sources for this?
[21:00] <geser> depends on upstram but afaik no, either it compiles with it or not (if it doesn't compile yet it still build-depends on sun-java-*)
[21:03] <geser> norsetto: but I'm no java expert, I more a upload bitch for slytherin :) He knows more about java packaging than me.
[21:04] <norsetto> geser: ok, then please talk with him because I think it would be sensible to only sync with Debian when no new upstream version is involved, and to patch our packages when it is (or, justify properly the FFe, which I don't find is the case for those he raised so far).
[21:08] <geser> norsetto: will do
[21:10] <norsetto_> geser: sorry, got disconnected, have I lost anything?
[21:14] <geser> norsetto_: no, I just wrote that I will talk with slytherin
[21:14] <norsetto_> geser: ok thx, I really appreciate your help
[21:17] <Adri2000> norsetto_: hi
[21:17] <norsetto_> Adri2000: hi there
[21:19] <Adri2000> norsetto_: regarding your ngircd sru verification, the update fails only if ngircd is not running right?
[21:20] <norsetto_> Adri2000: indeed, after a reboot for instance
[21:21] <norsetto_> Adri2000: I must say, I haven't tested if it would work when the daemon is running, but as long as /var/run/ngircd is there it should work
[21:25] <Adri2000> norsetto: yeah, it works when it is running. that's how I tested
[21:25] <Adri2000> norsetto: anyway thanks for catching, I'll fix that now
[21:26] <norsetto> Adri2000: thx to you; btw my patch is just a proposal, you may obviously find something better
[23:09] <nhandler> Is anyone else here receiving an error message when they try and install kdebase-runtime?
[23:09] <goshawk> hi
[23:09] <ScottK> nhandler: #kubuntu-kde4 is probably a better channel for that question.
[23:10] <goshawk> if someone has free time, can please review this? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=dsss
[23:10] <nhandler> Thanks ScottK


[20:29] <Mmike> A new version (/usr/share/unattended-upgrades/20auto-upgrades-disabled) of configuration file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades is available, but the version installed currently has been locally modified
[20:30] <Mmike> except that it was not :)


[06:53] <luna_> good morning
[07:57] <GunnarHj> Hello team,
[07:57] <GunnarHj> The Firefox black window is a pretty bad issue IMO, and I just posted an idea to the bug report:
[07:57] <GunnarHj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1987976/comments/84
[07:57] <GunnarHj> Any chance it will be fixed before the release?
[07:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 1987976 in mutter (Ubuntu) "firefox black window" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[08:40] <lissyx> GunnarHj, as you can see in the history it's complicated
[08:44] <GunnarHj> lissyx: Right. What I propose is apparently a workaround. But given the nature of the issue, maybe that would be motivated?
[08:44] <lissyx> GunnarHj, you say xwayland fixes?
[08:45] <lissyx> the reports where suggesting the contrary
[08:48] <GunnarHj> lissyx: Do they? I didn't read every comment, but for me I have the issue on wayland, not x11, and I read somewhere that the FF snap needs xwayland.
[08:50] <GunnarHj> lissyx: The fact that the xrefresh command in the autostart script fixes it for me would confirm that, wouldn't it?
[09:50] <lissyx> I dont know
[09:50] <lissyx> honestly, the landscape of snap issues is really difficult to navigate
[09:51] <lissyx> there are so many issues reported which are lacking feedback, informations
[09:51] <lissyx> it's hard  to know what is valid and what is not
[09:51] <lissyx> Firefox Snap uses XWayland on the release version, but Wayland on beta and nightly
[09:51] <lissyx> they both have issues, differents
[09:51] <lissyx> and the black window thing is not specific to snap ...
[09:52] <lissyx> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1788205
[09:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1788205 in Core "X11+Xwayland: black window when launched. Possibly caused by Xwayland-on-demand or Firefox race condition when switching between composited/non-composited X11" [S2, New]
[09:52] <lissyx> and to add, I am failing to reproduce many of those issues, so it's hard to investigate what happens ...
[11:18] <KGB-0> vala tags 4029269 Rico Tzschichholz upstream/0.56.7 * Upstream version 0.56.7 * https://deb.li/OyaG
[11:18] <KGB-2> vala upstream/latest d045e0d Rico Tzschichholz * pushed 26 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3hWHM
[11:18] <KGB-2> vala upstream/latest 047b5cd Rico Tzschichholz vala/valagirparser.vala * girparser: Apply "instance_idx" metadata for delegates * https://deb.li/83py
[11:18] <KGB-2> vala upstream/latest dd242e4 Rico Tzschichholz vapi/ gio-2.0.vapi metadata/Gio-2.0.metadata * gio-2.0: Add missing type-argument in ListStore.find_with_equal_func_full() * https://deb.li/3oPz4
[11:18] <KGB-2> vala upstream/latest b1dbced Rico Tzschichholz (6 files in 3 dirs) * vala: Check type-argument count of interface prerequisites * https://deb.li/SPuV
[11:19] <KGB-2> vala upstream/latest c2c5800 Rico Tzschichholz codegen/valaccodebasemodule.vala vala/valasemanticanalyzer.vala * Use already available glib_ns instead of root_symbol.scope.lookup ("GLib") * https://deb.li/3byRg
[11:19] <KGB-2> vala upstream/latest a565581 Rico Tzschichholz vala/valasymbol.vala * vala: Improve Symbol.to_string() to include TypeParameters * https://deb.li/3g1QN
[11:19] <KGB-2> vala pristine-tar b3c97a0 Rico Tzschichholz vala_0.56.7.orig.tar.xz.delta vala_0.56.7.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for vala_0.56.7.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/iOgvx
[14:18] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey Gunnar, how are you?
[14:20] <seb128> GunnarHj, do you know how https://help.ubuntu.com/bitlocker is ending up redirecting to https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#13-additional-installing-ubuntu-alongside-windows-with-bitlocker ?
[14:20] <seb128> GunnarHj, that's what we want but not what is in https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/help.ubuntu.com/help.ubuntu.com/view/head:/.htaccess#L49 , I'm just trying to understand how things are working
[14:39] <KGB-0> gnome-boxes signed tags a731548 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/44.1-1ubuntu3 * gnome-boxes Debian release 44.1-1ubuntu3 * https://deb.li/3TqnD
[14:39] <KGB-2> gnome-boxes ubuntu/lunar 5754b40 Jeremy Bicha debian/patches/ series preferences-Save-manual-edit-configs-on-CHANGES_DONE_HINT.patch * Cherry-pick patch to fix Edit Configuration feature * https://deb.li/L1Dg
[14:39] <KGB-2> gnome-boxes ubuntu/lunar 29dad09 Jeremy Bicha debian/ control control.in * Depend on libvirt-clients to fix inability to create virtual machines * https://deb.li/31gsl
[14:39] <KGB-2> gnome-boxes ubuntu/lunar 443b44b Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package gnome-boxes version 44.1-1ubuntu3 * https://deb.li/3iyzx
[15:22] <GunnarHj> seb128: It means that some sysadmin added some other redirect which overrides the one in .htaccess without letting the ubuntu-core-doc team know.
[15:22] <GunnarHj> Otherwise that .htaccess file was honored until recently, when they upgraded Apache. ATM they have moved all the dirctives — temporarily, I hope — to a <directive> section on the server level.
[15:22] <GunnarHj> Talking about those redirects, btw, any chance we can do something similar with https://help.ubuntu.com/rst? Nobody maintains the static page we put up, and it causes confusion.
[15:23] <seb128> GunnarHj, I will check, need to drop IRC for now though
[15:23] <seb128> thank you for the reply!
[16:15] <GunnarHj> lissyx: Without arguing about the problems you mention, can you reproduce the Firefox black window issue in a wayland session in 23.04? If you can, does the file I proposed help?
[17:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: Isn't the "Firefox opens black window on wayland" issue important enough to fix before release? I think I found a workaround:
[17:42] <GunnarHj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1987976/comments/84
[17:42] <GunnarHj> But I don't know how to proceed. If it's considered a reasonable solution, which package should provide such a file?
[17:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 1987976 in mutter (Ubuntu) "firefox black window" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[17:50] <jbicha> GunnarHj: does your Firefox issue happen with a clean Ubuntu 23.04 install?
[17:51] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Yes. Just reproduced it by installing yesterday's daily build.
[17:52] <jbicha> I believe it's unreproducible for most people; otherwise the ISO tests would have more failures
[17:54] <jbicha> the thinking is that it's a race condition? I might have seen it occasionally. I think restarting Firefox might have cleared it up for me
[17:55] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Possibly. I have a NVIDIA card, and I see it on wayland both with the NVIDIA and the Nouveau driver.
[17:56] <GunnarHj> jbicha: It might be a race thing, yes, and running xrefresh makes sure that xwayland is ready when needed.
[17:56] <jbicha> this isn't a new bug for 23.04 or gotten significantly worse for 23.04, right?
[17:57] <GunnarHj> True. But for me it became worse during the lunar dev. cycle.
[17:57] <jbicha> and the specific issue you are trying to fix is specific to the GNOME sessions since they are using Wayland?
[17:58] <GunnarHj> Yes. That's why the proposed file is only run on GNOME. (Haven't tested on Plasma (Wayland).)
[17:58] <jbicha> the Launchpad bug report is too noisy for us to work with. Could you open a new mutter bug since I'm guessing that's where we might want to handle this?
[17:59] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Sure, I can do that.
[18:02] <jbicha> I'll defer to Daniel or Marco about whether to use that workaround, and if we do, whether it needs to land now or can land as a Lunar SRU
[18:02] <GunnarHj> Ack.
[18:24] <Trevinho> mhmh, I feel it would be better to try to fix this in xwayland better
[18:25] <Trevinho> I got it happening reliably in my machine few weeks ago, now it seems to happen less
[18:42] <seb128> GunnarHj, the bug say 'affects 5 people' and it's the first time I see it mentioned, I think you are unlucky but it affects not enough people to be worth respinning the images/delaying
[18:42] <seb128> we should SRU a fix when we have one though
[18:43] <seb128> also shouldn't nvidia default to xorg session?
[18:46] <Trevinho> seb128: it's quite easy to reproduce though, just killall Xwayland and start firefox again
[18:46] <Trevinho> it's not just nvidia
[18:47] <Trevinho> I think it doesn't appear in some setups because something else tries to start XWayland first
[18:48] <seb128> Trevinho, other topic but since you are here, did you have an indicator package update ready or should I go with it?
[18:49] <Trevinho> seb128: go with it please :)
[18:49] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks :)
[18:52] <GunnarHj> Trevinho: Addressing the root cause is always better. ;) If you have something else which enables Xwayland, you may not notice. And killing Xwayland sounds as a plausible way to make the issue surface. But possibly few users are affected, as seb128 says.
[18:53] <GunnarHj> jbicha, seb128, Trevinho: I started to write a new bug report. Is it meaningful to submit it?
[18:59] <GunnarHj> seb128: I can control the session on the login screen. And with the Nouveau driver it defaults to wayland even with a NVIDIA card.
[18:59] <seb128> ah right, using nouveau
[19:00] <seb128> GunnarHj, report a new bug if you can since jbicha suggested it would help to have a conversation
[19:00] <GunnarHj> Ok, will do.
[19:01] <seb128> Trevinho, did you manage to build indicator-messages? the tests fail here
[19:01] <seb128> well I guess you built the source and not the package
[19:01] <Trevinho> seb128: nope, i saw they did in CI though...
[19:01] <Trevinho> I just built manually what I needd without tetsing
[19:01] <Trevinho> looks like a dbus-run-session or smth is missing, but...
[19:01] <Trevinho> could be more than that
[19:03] <seb128> Trevinho, no, I'm building on my normal session so dbus&co is there
[19:03] <seb128> bah, no, stupid test doesn't enforce the locale but fail in !english
[19:07] <GunnarHj> bug #2016918
[19:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Bug 2016918 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Firefox snap opens a black window on wayland" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2016918
[20:17] <Trevinho> GunnarHj: I think https://gitlab.gnome.org/3v1n0/mutter/-/commit/b16c3aff248b8839340de4785738879b678f45ba fixes it
[20:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit b16c3af in 3v1n0/mutter "display: Set compositor selection earlier on XWayland"
[20:17] <Trevinho> I've not time to build a new pkg now, but if you  do please let me know :)
[20:20] <GunnarHj> Trevinho: Nice! I can apply, build and test. If successful, is it ok to upload?
[20:21] <Trevinho> GunnarHj: I may want to include also a test and few cleanups, but after that yes
[20:21] <Trevinho> GunnarHj: test case is as simple as kill Xwayland and run firefox..
[20:21] <GunnarHj> Trevinho: Ok, I start with the test part.
[20:23] <GunnarHj> Trevinho: I'm not the one who would write the test. Over my head unfortunately.
[21:58] <Trevinho> GunnarHj: tested code is in https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/2970 not sure if your test gave any result though :)
[21:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Merge 2970 in GNOME/mutter "display: Set compositor selection earlier on XWayland" [Opened]
[21:59] <GunnarHj> Trevinho: Yes, I tested it successfully: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/2016918/comments/1
[21:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 2016918 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Firefox snap opens a black window on wayland" [High, In Progress]
[22:00] <Trevinho> GunnarHj: if you've time, can just pick the whole patch I sent upstream, that comes with unit tests
[22:02] <GunnarHj> Trevinho: Oh, you've already done that? Then I'll grab that instead. Do I have a green light to upload with that in place?
[22:02] <Trevinho> GunnarHj: give some x11-session only tests too, otherwise I'm good
[22:03] <GunnarHj> Ok, will do.
[22:06] <Trevinho> GunnarHj: another test to do is killining XWayland and GDK_BACKEND=x11 gtk3-widget-factory (or gedit)
[22:06] <Trevinho> see https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/2472#note_1574515
[22:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Issue 2472 in GNOME/mutter "Timing/race condition with Xwayland-on-demand breaks firefox & confuses gedit etc" [Opened]
[22:06] <Trevinho> it should not have bad decorations
[22:10] <GunnarHj> Trevinho: Not sure what you mean by decorations.
[22:16] <Eickmeyer> GunnarHj, Trevinho: I see bug 2016918, assuming that will need respins?
[22:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Bug 2016918 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Firefox snap opens a black window on wayland" [High, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2016918
[22:17] <Eickmeyer> (anything affecting Desktop affects Edubuntu)
[22:17] <GunnarHj> Eickmeyer: Hopefully... ;)
[22:18] <Eickmeyer> Roger that.
 "Treviño: Not sure what you..." <- The windows corners? 😅
[22:29] <Trevinho> GunnarHj: I'd mark your new bug as duplicate though. Maybe leaving open for Firefox.
[22:35] <GunnarHj> Trevinho: I see nothing odd in the screenshot at https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/2472#note_1574515 But maybe I'll see it if it shows up. :/
[22:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Issue 2472 in GNOME/mutter "Timing/race condition with Xwayland-on-demand breaks firefox & confuses gedit etc" [Opened]
[22:35] <GunnarHj> Trevinho: Right, let me mark the new bug as duplicate. Not needed given that the issue now is about to be fixed.


[03:18] <swift110-phone> hey
[04:08] <princedimond> whats up?
[04:08] <princedimond> anyone have experience with obsidian fserv for xchat/hexchat?
[04:14] <swift110-phone> im great
[04:14] <swift110-phone> what's that
[09:17] <peaches> morning!
[09:51] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[10:09] <peaches> it's my b-dau!
[10:18] <teddy-dbear> :-D
[10:19] <teddy-dbear> HAPPY BIRTHDAY 8-)
[12:15] <icey> ahoy
[12:24] <teddy-dbear> o/
[22:27] <ChinnoDog> peaches: happy birthday!
[22:46] <peaches> thank you ChinnoDog
[22:46] <peaches> >:D


[11:26] <ikt> they just don't make cpu's like they used to
[11:26] <ikt> lowered the fan speed down
[11:26] <ikt> installed folding at home so all 6 cores are at 100% cpu usage
[11:26] <ikt> and the heat coming out of the pc has barely risen :/
[11:26] <ikt> need to get some pentium 4's up in here
[12:22] <head_victim> ikt: I'm trying to revive my p4 as we speak :/ Hence the webchat
[12:34] <ikt> oo
[12:35] <ikt> what are you going to use it for?
[22:46] <head_victim> ikt: it's just an IRC/IM box running Lubuntu that I use for email and web browsing
[22:55] <ikt> ah that's cool
[22:56] <head_victim> It's quickly getting to the stage I'm seriously considering replacing it with a mini itx atom or something, I'm sick of having this one in pieces to fix something
[23:15] <ikt> :(
[23:16] <ikt> I wonder if you can purchase new hardware that is about the same power for like $50
[23:19] <ikt> mucking around with my android phone
[23:19] <ikt> flashed it from 2.1 stock htc rom to cyanogenmod 6
[23:19] <ikt> phone has been brought back to life
[23:21] <ikt> could use it to sit in irc all day but would dc when I take it away from wifi
[23:24] <head_victim> I could buy a whole new pc for around 500 that would overpower it but if I'm spending that much (it's about as cheap as you can get a whole pc to be these days) I may as well get a low power itx dual core atom that would save my power but should still be enough to run what I use it for
[23:25] <head_victim> I just bought a Motorola Defy yesterday, I'm yet to set it up. Going to see if I can get my local sync over bluetooth working but until I have the 2+ pc's that are strewn around the lounge sorted I don't want to start any other tech projects
[23:30] <ikt> yeah I know what you mean
[23:30] <ikt> especially about the ultra low power pc
[23:30] <ikt> I went to build a similar system as a torrent box
[23:33] <head_victim> I'd have to do some real tests but I'm sure a dual core atom could run what I need on a cut down system like Lubuntu without much of a performance hit. Would save heaps of power


[02:44] <n-iCe> hi
[02:44] <lynorian> hi n-iCe
[02:45] <n-iCe> how you doing
[02:45] <lynorian> good this channel is for support do you have any way I can help you?
[02:46] <n-iCe> I don't even use ubuntu
[02:46] <n-iCe> or lubuntu in this case
[02:46] <n-iCe> :p
[05:37] <JohnDoe_71Rus> hi. lubuntu 18.04 and old netbook acer ao725. The touchpad is disabled at the boot and i need use Fn+f7 key to enable it. I want working touchpad at boot
[06:04] <guiverc_d> JohnDoe_71Rus, I can't help (i use only desktops), but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse contains information that may help you
[07:47] <hycann> h
[09:35] <kubokeke> hi
[11:40] <adcax> can anyone suggests a lightest ubuntu flavour? the newest lubuntu lags on my old laptop
[11:42] <adcax> please suggest a lighter ubuntu flavor. Latest version (with LXQt) 18.10 is not running properly on my old laptop
[11:42] <guiverc_d> adcax, lubuntu is generally regarded as the lightest, however you can also misused a desktop & make it perform worse than another if you use inappropriate apps on it (eg. use GTK+ apps on a Qt base and you've caused your memory to have duplicate libs wasting memory..)
[11:43] <guiverc_d> I tested Lubuntu 18.10 on a 1gb single core pentium M - and I was happy.  but with only 1gb of memory, I'd be careful with the apps I used...
[11:44] <adcax> ok thanks
[11:45] <guiverc_d> I also tested Xubuntu (GTK+) on the same laptop -- if I wanted GTK+ apps, Xubuntu would possibly be a better choice; but I did prefer Lubuntu on it (with Qt base)
[11:45] <guiverc_d> (Lubuntu 18.04 with LXDE may also be another choice... with it's longer LTS life)
[11:46] <guiverc_d> my point is you need to consider the DESKTOP (& its base) with apps you intend using; esp. with limited ram... with enough ram you can ignore the libs (& memory they require)
[12:19] <Mead> I have 18.04, if I run the command "apt full-upgrade" would this install a newer version of lubuntu?
[12:35] <apt-ghetto> No, it takes the repos defined in /etc/apt/source.list your added sources
[22:12] <wxl> Abraham (use a nickname/username for IRC people to be able to mention you easier), try adding -o=APT::Install-Suggests=false to your apt command
[22:13] <wxl> is that with my suggestion?
 inkscape is installed
[22:19] <wxl> horray :)
 but I need that package
[22:20] <wxl> you need python-uniconvertor?
 @wxl [<wxl> you need python-uniconvertor?], Yes
 the application has a bug
[22:21] <wxl> that package hasn't been available since 16.04 :(
 @wxl [<wxl> that package hasn't been available since 16.04 :(], :'(
 Any suggestions?
[22:22] <wxl> i think there may be a snap package.. you could try that perhaps
[22:23] <wxl> python-uniconvertor is broken in upstream debian, too
[22:24] <wxl> what's really strange though is that it's a *SUGGEST*, which is the lowest form of "dependency." it's not even a dependency, technically. it's an enhancement.
[22:25] <wxl> i.e. inkscape should work just fine without it
[22:25] <wxl> the other thing i can tell you, is that this problem should exist across every flavor of ubuntu and debian and all of their derivatives
 suggests can be wierd?
[22:29] <Eickmeyer> Suggests can be outdated and not even factor anything that actually exists or not.
[22:29] <wxl> that
 @wxl [<wxl> i.e. inkscape should work just fine without it], the application closes because of that error
[22:30] <wxl> how do you know it's because of that error and not some other problem?
 The weird thing is that in my work I have Lubuntu 18.04 LXTQ and inkscape works fine but in Lubuntu 19.04 no
[22:34] <wxl> different versions of inkscape.. not necessarily weir
[22:34] <wxl> d
 @wxl [<wxl> different versions of inkscape.. not necessarily weir], ok
[22:35] <wxl> so what is the error? and how do you know it's related to uniconvertor?
 when I copy and paste images that error appears
[22:36] <wxl> what error?
 and inkscape seems to need it for svg images
 give me a second and I translate the error
[22:47] <lynorian> oh seems there is a github fork that has emerged after orignial maintainer left
 You must install the UniConvertor software. … For GNU-Linux: install the python uniconverter package. … For Windows: Download it from … https://sk1project.net/modules.php?name=Products&product=uniconvertor&op=download and install it in the Python location on your system
 I did not know, I did not know it
 @lynorian [<lynorian> oh seems there is a github fork that has emerged after orignial maint …], I did not know, I did not know it
[22:55] <lynorian> @ajedrezAbraham I was not talking about inkscape more stuff iwth the manual
 👍
[22:57] <wxl> @AjedrezAbraham https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/437143
[22:58] <wxl> tl;dr save to svg and you should be able to get around the issue
[22:58] <wxl> otherwise try the snap https://snapcraft.io/inkscape
[23:00] <Eickmeyer> Another option is to ask someone on #inkscape on irc.
[23:00] <wxl> i suspect it won't go well
[23:00] <wxl> "tell your distribution to fix their packages"
[23:01] <Eickmeyer> wxl: I've only ever once encountered that.
[23:02] <wxl> Eickmeyer: oh what blissful world you must live in :)
[23:05] <lynorian> wxl the github fork somewhat works
[23:06] <lynorian> I think I should rename the LXDE branch as 18.04
[23:07] <wxl> i agree (also -> devel)
 @lubuntu_bot I will try to install UniConvertor from https://sk1project.net/viewpage.php?page_id=26
[23:09] <wxl> @AjedrezAbraham that's really old and targeted at the *10.04* version of ubuntu. i would NOT suggest it
 @wxl [<wxl> @AjedrezAbraham that's really old and targeted at the *10.04* version of u …], This package: … python-uniconvertor-2.0rc4_20190402_ubuntu_18.10_amd64.deb
 sudo dpkg -i python-uniconvertor-2.0rc4_20190402_ubuntu_18.10_amd64.deb
 sudo apt install -f
 it worked 😃
[23:21] <wxl> yay
 XD
[23:22] <wxl> Eickmeyer: if you have any intention of caring about that and have people to bug about it it looks like they may not know where the upstream is?
[23:40]  * Eickmeyer is confused
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> wxl: if that package is needed for some workflows, then it might be worth getting the github fork packaged.
[23:42] <wxl> Eickmeyer: well, inkscape XD it looks like debian can't find the upstream source
[23:42] <Eickmeyer> wxl: I'll ask about it.
[23:43] <Eickmeyer> Expecially since it directly affects Ubuntu Studio.
[23:45] <wxl> well thanks because it doesn't lubuntu XD


[01:56] <krytarik> guiverc: Sorry for being a bit late on this, sometimes the feeds mangle with actual human messages here wrt notifications, and unless I get pinged.. :3  Also, removing the code tags from all the links in the draft currently..
[01:57] <guiverc> ack & thanks
[02:20] <krytarik> I believe WordPress is just trying to kill itself over it..
[02:24] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Gdoc - seen anything offical for ubuntu releasing 20.04.4 ?
[02:25] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I used https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2022-February/000277.html for fridge post (krytarik is fighting/trying to repair formatting with currently)
[02:27] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Great ! But I must wonder how in the world I missed it !
[02:27] <krytarik> guiverc: I just had to re-create the draft btw, because after saving it wouldn't even open the editor on it anymore, and it keeps on doing something really weird on the new one too..
[02:28] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I didn't get an email telling me about it; noticed it via browser & manually looking
[02:29] <guiverc> krytarik, i had issues on it (list; libera/users/uf/askubu & help-shape-ubuntu, about-ubuntu too.. ) but mostly it showing in different [code] font
[02:30] <krytarik> Well, it's repeating the content all over currently..
[02:30] <guiverc> in the end i just got it to look ~right & ignored the [code] itself
[02:30] <guiverc> okay, yeah I see it :(
[02:33] <guiverc> i can have a play/look again krytarik ; fresher eyes (even if i don't understand the code/foramtting like you do)
[02:33] <krytarik> Ah, I think the internal headers and footers might be confusing it.. because I mistakenly copypasted header to footer in some places..
[02:34]  * guiverc done that too many times; usually ^A delete & start again  :)
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[02:44] <krytarik> guiverc: I believe I restored it the way it was minus the code formatting.. just wondered though wrt to the categories, we don't seem to usually do Planet on the release announcements, do we?
[02:45] <krytarik> And it only took an hour.. thanks, WordPress!
[02:45] <guiverc> yes I believe we do..  it's one place I check for the annoucement post 'publish'
[02:45] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/08/27/ubuntu-20-04-3-lts-released/
[02:47] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/04/23/ubuntu-20-04-lts-focal-fossa-released/  (both news, planet, release)
[02:48] <krytarik> Ah, I can see in the trash that your original draft had Release and Planet - while I thought the other one was News..
[02:50] <guiverc> looking back at 16.04 by lyz/pleia2; She used 'development' & 'planet'  (I'd not use development unless maybe alpha/beta; likewise later 16.04.1 etc)
[02:52] <guiverc> okay to publish it krytarik? (20.04.4)
[02:52] <krytarik> Yep yep, and sorry for delaying you on this.. twice. :D
[02:52]  * guiverc will add planet though
[02:53] <krytarik> Yep, do that.
[02:53] <guiverc> not a problem krytarik , thank you for patience & your fight with wordpress (which is NEVER fun)
[02:53] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/02/25/ubuntu-20-04-4-lts-released/
[02:54] <krytarik> Huh, there are many posts about public releases where the Development category was set.. :3
[02:56] <krytarik> If you'd like, feel free to flip it in those cases to the usual threefoldness.
[02:57] <guiverc> :)  not now, I got a puppy who is waiting for his walk in ~3 mins
[02:58] <krytarik> That is, most of them don't even have the Release category in these cases, while a single other one does.
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[04:17] <guiverc> removed 'development' from https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2017/08/05/ubuntu-16-04-3-lts-released/
[04:18] <guiverc> removed 'development' from https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2017/08/05/ubuntu-16-04-3-lts-released/ & added 'release'
[04:20] <guiverc> removed 'development' from https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2016/08/05/ubuntu-14-04-5-lts-released/
[04:21] <guiverc> removed 'development' from https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2016/07/21/ubuntu-16-04-1-lts-released/
[04:22] <guiverc> removed 'development' from https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2016/04/21/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-released/
[04:23] <guiverc> removed 'development' & added 'release' to https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2016/02/18/ubuntu-14-04-4-lts-released/
[04:24] <krytarik> You could do this in bulk btw.. >_>
[04:24] <guiverc> maybe, but I'd have to work out how!
[04:24] <guiverc> 'development' removed from https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2015/02/20/ubuntu-14-04-2-lts-released/
[04:25] <krytarik> Are you doing quick edit at least? :3
[04:25] <guiverc> 'development' removed from https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2015/08/06/ubuntu-14-04-3-lts-released/
[04:26] <guiverc> searching for tag; most appear correct (to me); edit the release ones..  so manual
[04:28] <guiverc> tag/development/release https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/07/25/ubuntu-14-04-1-lts-released/
[04:29] <guiverc> tag/dev/release https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/07/17/ubuntu-13-10-saucy-salamander-end-of-life-reached-on-july-17-2014/
[04:30] <guiverc> drop 'devel..' from https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/05/17/ubuntu-12-10-quantal-quetzal-end-of-life-reached-on-may-16-2014/
[04:30]  * guiverc ignoring alpha & beta released
[04:32] <guiverc> removed 'release' from my ^ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/07/17/ubuntu-13-10-saucy-salamander-end-of-life-reached-on-july-17-2014/  (it was an EOL notice - sorry)
[04:32] <guiverc> tag/devel/release https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/10/17/ubuntu-13-10-saucy-salamander-released/
[04:34] <guiverc> tag /devel/release https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/04/26/ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin-released/
[04:36] <guiverc> tag s/devel/release https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/07/21/ubuntu-10-04-3-lucid-lynx-lts-released/
[04:37] <guiverc> @ at beginning of my list :)
[04:40] <krytarik> There is still a 10.04.2 release post left, but otherwise yeah I think you got 'em all.. thanks!
[04:41] <guiverc> yeah sorry, i probably didn't refresh but after removing on & viewing next page caused it to be missed
[04:41] <krytarik> Also, I've started to wonder what use the News category is really.. particularly since it's not consistently applied.
[04:42] <krytarik> And if we did consistently apply it, then I think it'd be basically on every single post..
[04:44] <guiverc> community posts tend not to use it (removal of membership rights..)
[04:52] <krytarik> Yeah, so I guess the category does have some merit at least..
[05:05] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS Released @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/02/25/ubuntu-20-04-4-lts-released/ (by guiverc)
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[05:10] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:55] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Hey, you around, dude?
[05:55] <LaserJock> sure am
[05:56] <sbalneav> Cool.
[05:57] <sbalneav> I'm starting to get to the point where I'm going to start adding a lot to the handbook over the next few weeks.
[05:57] <sbalneav> Now that the main development cycle's done.
[05:57] <sbalneav> Anything you'd like me to keep in mind while I'm adding content?
[05:59] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:59] <LaserJock> not entirely sure
[05:59] <sbalneav> ok.
[05:59] <LaserJock> it'd be nice to be able to do things as topics
[06:00] <sbalneav> Right, that's what I was thinking of, but I don't know what that means in practical terms. I.e., I add things to THIS file instead of THAT one, etc.
[06:03] <tidalbobo> hay. i have a problem with edubuntu installation on a p3 PC
[06:04] <tidalbobo> after installing any Educational applicvations will not start. i get message saying that "your computer type is not recognised(i386)"
[06:04] <LaserJock> well, I don't think that's a big deal right now
[06:04] <tidalbobo> has any one got this experiance?   need some help pls
[06:04] <LaserJock> I think it's more keeping it mind while you're writing
[06:04] <LaserJock> that we need logical chunks
[06:06] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:07] <LaserJock> that seems like a 64bit/32bit mismatch or something
[06:08] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I was thinking the other day of having an Edubuntu Bug Squashing Day sometime soon
[06:08] <sbalneav> It was today.
[06:09] <sbalneav> I've killed 3 :)
[06:09] <LaserJock> I noticed
[06:09] <LaserJock> we've got a lot of LTSP bugs too though
[06:09] <LaserJock> I'd really like to have our edu apps in good shape for release
[06:10] <sbalneav> I'm certainly happy to help with any edu apps I can.  Any particularly thorny ones sticking in your craw?
[06:11] <sbalneav> tidalbobo: What's the output of "uname -a" on your box?
[06:12] <sbalneav> Gcompris seems to have a lot of bugs.
[06:13] <sbalneav> "use gcompris on logout".  Man, THAT one needs a bit more info.
[06:13] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:16] <sbalneav> tidalbobo: Still with us?
[06:16] <tidalbobo> sbalneav: it was installed from the CD i got from SHIPIT service.
[06:17] <sbalneav> OK, so, what version did you get? An 64 bit version, or an i386 version?
[06:17] <tidalbobo> sorry right now i dont have access to the system, but all i did was simple install the CD i got. i presume its the correct one, as the CD says its for x86 intel boxes
[06:19] <tidalbobo> definityly 32 bit. the cd casing says its for intel pentium.  Also my cpu is detected correcly as P3 coppermine i686.
[06:20] <sbalneav> OK, so what's the exact error message you're getting, when you try to click on which application?
[06:20] <tidalbobo> but what makes me wonder is that GNOME is the window manager. for GCompris and Educational suits dont you need to have KDE running?  is this the reaon?
[06:20] <tidalbobo> sbalneav: let me give u a discription of the situation.
[06:21] <sbalneav> Please do.
[06:22] <LaserJock> tidalbobo: you don't need KDE
[06:22] <tidalbobo> The installation is successful.  I can login and do most of the things. Openoffice runs, all games work etc.  How ever the "educational"  menu is missing.
[06:22] <LaserJock> tidalbobo: did you use the Desktop CD?
[06:22] <LaserJock> or wait, nevermind
[06:23] <LaserJock> tidalbobo: you'll need to get the Classroom Server Addon CD for the educational apps
[06:23] <tidalbobo> When i go to "add applications", and try to add GCompris or some educational application, i get the error saying that my computer (i386) is not supported.  This happens only for certain applications. Others work fine
[06:23] <LaserJock> ok, I know the problem then
[06:23] <LaserJock> easy fix :-)
[06:23] <tidalbobo> i used the stanalone version. yes, it should be the desk top CD.
[06:24] <tidalbobo> ;)  u do? wonderfuk
[06:24] <LaserJock> it's actual the Server CD
[06:24] <tidalbobo> wonderful.  pardon the typo
[06:24] <LaserJock> but you did the Workstation install I'm guessing
[06:24] <tidalbobo> yes.
[06:25] <LaserJock> OK, and did you have it hooked to the internet while installing?
[06:25] <tidalbobo> no. i couldnt get the modem to work.  so no internet
[06:26] <LaserJock> ok, that's the problem
[06:26] <LaserJock> so is it possible for you to download an .iso somewhere?
[06:28] <LaserJock> tidalbobo: the problem is that the educational apps aren't shipped on the 1st CD anymore
[06:29] <LaserJock> tidalbobo: so you need to either download them or get the Classroom Server Addon CD
[06:29] <sbalneav> tidalbobo: What kind of modem do you have?
[06:34] <tidalbobo> its a rockwel
[06:35] <tidalbobo> ok.   if thats the case, can i get the addon CD and install that on top of the existing installation?  then i should ba able to get the applications to work?
[06:35] <sbalneav> Ah, a winmodem.
[06:36] <LaserJock> tidalbobo: yes, the Addon CD is for just that
[06:37] <tidalbobo> grate.  i can do that.  what got me misled was the error message saying that "my computer was not suppotred"  i think ill suggest the error message be changed to refelect the true nature
[06:37] <tidalbobo> my contribution to edubuntu development
[06:37] <LaserJock> tidalbobo: yes, I have no idea why that does that
[06:37] <LaserJock> it's an odd message
[06:39] <tidalbobo> yes. ill try you recomendation.   then will put a bug/issue on the dev list so that someone can look in to it.  Since edbuntu is targetted at educators, who might not be gurus in linux, some problem like that can easliy defeat them during the installation itself..
[06:40] <tidalbobo> not a good way to start
[06:40] <tidalbobo> sbalneav: thank you
[06:41] <sbalneav> np
[06:41] <LaserJock> tidalbobo: it works fine unless you don't have internet available during install
[06:42] <LaserJock> but I kinda think this *has* to be a general Ubuntu issue
[06:42] <LaserJock> I don't see why it would be edubuntu-specific
[06:43] <tidalbobo> i think the warning is from the pakage-manager. 1st of all, it does not seem to recongnise my syste. hence the message identifing it as a i386. Am i correct?
[06:44] <LaserJock> no, I don't think it's really anything like that
[06:44] <LaserJock> that's the weird part
[06:44] <LaserJock> It knows your system just fine and that it is i386
[06:45] <tidalbobo> oh.. then im lost. if thats corerct, why does the message say "not supported" ? mysterious
[06:46] <LaserJock> yes, that's what I'm saying
[06:46] <LaserJock> the message doesn't say anything that correct :-)
[06:46] <LaserJock> the real problem is that you don't have the repositories enabled
[06:46] <LaserJock> and it's looking for your CD to install the apps
[06:47] <LaserJock> but a lot of the edu apps aren't on the CD
[06:48] <tidalbobo> i see.
[06:49] <LaserJock> but it shouldn't show you apps that you can't install
[06:50] <LaserJock> I think we need to stick some documentation somewhere about that
[06:50] <LaserJock> I've seen it at least 3 times in here
[06:51] <tidalbobo> well if its a thing that keeps on repeating, better to address the issue once and for all.
[06:51] <tidalbobo> i agree with you.
[06:52] <LaserJock> I'll have a chat with the Add/Remove Applications guy when I get a chance
[06:52] <LaserJock> and see what's going on with that
[06:54] <tidalbobo> sbalneav: thanks
[06:54] <tidalbobo> will update you on what happens on my box
[06:55] <sbalneav> Well, late here, and my holidays are over.
[06:55] <sbalneav> Back to work tomorrow :(
[06:55] <sbalneav> I'm off to bed.
[06:55] <sbalneav> Night all!
[03:09] <sbalneav> Morning all
[09:33] <LaserJock> ogra, RichEd-1: my CMPC arrived this morning :-)
[09:41] <LaserJock> sbalneav: around?
[09:43] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Yessir!
[09:43] <sbalneav> What for can I do you?
[09:47] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ok, so what are your ideas for documentation
[09:47] <LaserJock> I was a bit preoccupied the other day
[09:48] <LaserJock> I'm guessing first thing is to go through the Handbook and "fix" anything
[09:48] <LaserJock> I know I need to put in new shots for the Addon CD
[09:50] <sbalneav> Cool.
[09:51] <sbalneav> Well, I need to add a TON of documentation on LTSP, on all the new features, i.e. scalability support, etc.
[09:51] <sbalneav> I'd like to have a section on lockdown and desktops using Sabayon and Pessellus
[09:52] <sbalneav> Maybe list some different network topology strategies for Edubuntu classroom setups. With pictures.
[09:53] <sbalneav> What's  a good package for drawing network diagrams?  I usually use Dia.  That good enough quality for the handbook?
[10:00] <LaserJock> sbalneav: that'd probably work fine
[10:01] <sbalneav> I know we'd like to get some more edu apps documentation in there.
[10:01] <sbalneav> Is Will still around?
[10:01] <LaserJock> kinda'ish I think
[10:02] <LaserJock> he was off surfing for a while ;-)
[10:02] <sbalneav> Who else is contributing to the handbook these days besides you, me and Will?
[10:03] <ogra> sbalneav, it can get annoying at times
[10:03] <sbalneav> I love it!
[10:03] <sbalneav> Meeting now, afk.
[10:05] <LaserJock> sbalneav: umm, nobody much
[10:09] <LaserJock> ogra: is there a way to like save the Windows XP image on the CMPC?
[10:10] <ogra> boot it as ltsp client and dd the disk to an image from commandline ?
[10:10] <LaserJock> have you tried that before? that sounds that might work ok
[10:11] <ogra> i actually never tried it with XP
[10:11] <ogra> but it worked with the metasys image i have
[10:11] <ogra> (didnt try to restore any of the others yet)
[10:12] <LaserJock> I've got my CMPC here at the lab connected to the uni VPN, quite interesting
[10:12] <LaserJock> but of course I want to blow away Windows and get something better on there
[10:27] <LaserJock> ogra: do you dd images over to get *buntu on there?
[10:27] <ogra> yes
[10:28] <ogra> even thoug i could just cp them on a partition as well
[10:28] <ogra> as image files
[10:28] <LaserJock> so do you boot it as a thin client over a patch cable?
[10:28] <ogra> right
[10:28] <ogra> then i log in on console and fiddle with what i like
[10:29] <LaserJock> stupid LTSP question, but how do you tell it where the "hard drive" is?
[10:29] <LaserJock> since you're working on the server
[10:41] <ogra> i'm not
[10:41] <ogra> i'm logging in locally :)
[10:41] <ogra> and use /dev/sdb :)
[10:41] <LaserJock> ohhhh
[10:41] <ogra> or was it sdc ?
[10:42] <LaserJock> not sda?
[10:44] <ogra> not here afair
[10:44] <ogra> i must admit i havent booted the thing since some weeks now
[10:45] <ogra> anyway, i was gone already ... damned nightly ad-hoc meetings ...


 I have to restart on a daily basis
 it use to be that I would restart a couple times a year
[01:27] <bazhang> thats his issue
[01:27] <bazhang> all due to unity, or so he says
[01:27] <elky> he was giving snark before the kick too.
[01:28] <bazhang> yeah, that was pre-kick
[01:29] <elky> the wife calling him at work thing too
[01:31] <ikonia> lvleph: hello
[01:34] <lvleph> hello ikonia
[01:34] <ikonia> what do you need from the operators
[01:35] <lvleph> I was going to complain about being booted for no reason, but I seriously don't care
[01:35] <ikonia> ok, then please /part this channel
[01:35] <elky> lvleph, considering you've already been apologised to for the tab-complete accident, and had someone offer to personally address your technical issue, everything is quite above board as I see it. If we were to start firing volunteers for such accidents, we'd have to shut the channel down and then you _would_ have to find elsewhere.
[01:35] <elky> So please, go enjoy your holiday period.
[01:35] <lvleph> Well the issue was also that I was told I was off topic multiple times even though I said the issue was with unity in ubuntu
[01:36] <ikonia> lvleph: you're not bothered, so no point discussing it
[01:36] <ikonia> please /part the channel
[01:37] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu gentoo used to be "thesarge" just being a pain and arguing when asked basic questions to actually get info to help him
[01:37] <elky> New rule in #u. nobody can have the first 3 letters of their nick similar to another :P
[01:37] <bazhang> gentoon
[01:37] <elky> That would surely solve everything
[01:38] <IdleOne> I usually tab after the first 3 letters
[01:38] <bazhang> he just got unbanned  a couple of days ago, too, for self-admitted "trolling"
[01:38] <IdleOne> not sure why i didn't this time
[01:53] <bazhang> yeah he's in full rant mode in PM
[01:57] <gentoon> I need another op besides bazhang
[01:57] <gentoon> He is being unfair
[01:58] <gentoon> I had a guy repeatidly asking me the same question he already knew the answer too, and I answered him each time.
[01:58] <gentoon> and all I said was that he was trolling me once
[01:58] <gentoon> and bazhang said to stop and I never called him another name after, or said he was trolling and now I am banned?
[01:59] <bazhang> gentoon, ikonia was simply asking for clarification. nothing more.
[02:00] <gentoon> I can show you him acknowledging he knew it was a USB drive 3 times in the logs
[02:00] <gentoon> and he asked 3 times in a row and I answered each time.
[02:00] <gentoon> He was baiting me because earlier he was upset with me.
[02:00] <bazhang> the ban was removed much too much early in your case gentoon
[02:00] <gentoon> No it wasnt
[02:00] <bazhang> that has been remedied.
[02:01] <gentoon> The ban was over, This new ffense warrants no new ban
[02:01] <gentoon> I want another op
[02:01] <gentoon> Dude you just ignore me when I tell you he asked me 3 times in a row and I answered each time?
[02:02] <gentoon> How is that just asking for clarification?
[02:02] <gentoon> Please tell me that?
[02:02] <bazhang> gentoon, consider that we deal with more than one issue at a time
[02:02] <gentoon> He was only dealing with me it was 3 times ina  minute...
[02:02] <gentoon> Are you serious rught now?
[02:03] <bazhang> we are in more than a single channel...
[02:03] <ikonia> if you like I'll explain what I was trying to ask you
[02:03] <gentoon> He forgot 3 times in one minute while the answer was still on his screen 2 times?
[02:03] <gentoon> I know what you were asking me
[02:03] <gentoon> and I answered you 3 times.
[02:03] <bazhang> gentoon, the ban has been reinstated.
[02:04] <ikonia> it's a common mistake,
[02:04] <gentoon> bazhang: No the ban time I was assigned was over
[02:04] <ikonia> I didn't forget, I was just trying to clarify you where mounting the read/write image from the thumdrive and not the image from the media you where running from, as your IRC name is "live session user" suggesting you where running on a live media
[02:04] <gentoon> You are issuing a new ban for nothing
[02:04] <ikonia> but I'll leave that with you
[02:05] <gentoon> Yes I understood that and told you it was read/write the first second and 3rd time you asked me
[02:05] <gentoon> you were just trying to bait me
[02:05] <gentoon> bazhang: Dude you are only banning me because I am African American and I am sick of it.
[02:06] <ikonia> no-one knows your race
[02:06] <gentoon> I am forwarding your PM's to the other opers.
[02:06] <gentoon> He does
[02:06] <gentoon> From PM
[02:06] <ikonia> please don't forward pm's please make an official complaint
[02:06] <ikonia> if you feel it's warrented
[02:06] <gentoon> Dont worry about what I do
[02:07] <ikonia> ok, then we are done
[02:07] <ikonia> bye
[02:07] <gentoon> I know how to deal with freenode I have been here 3x as long as you
[02:07] <gentoon> and have had 4 users k lined
[02:07] <ikonia> what a pointless comment
[02:07] <ikonia> freenode doesn't run the ubuntu channels, so good luck with that
[02:07] <gentoon> They still enforce descrimination rules from their TOS on any channel
[02:08] <gentoon> You should read more
[02:08] <ikonia> sure sure
[02:08] <ikonia> good luck with that
[02:08] <gentoon> You dont believe me?
[02:08] <ikonia> I'll let you get on with your complaint
[02:08] <ikonia> bye
[02:08] <gentoon> Plus its soo easy to ban evade here
[02:08] <ikonia> ok, bye then
[02:08] <gentoon> I have 3 bots in #ubuntu
[02:08] <gentoon> and ill showly get all 68 of them in there
[02:09] <gentoon> Stop talking
[02:09] <ikonia> please /part the channel and raise your concerns with who you think appropriate
[12:28] <alabd> Good day all , wouuld someone remove my ban from #ubuntu ? it's long time ..
[12:54] <ikonia> alabd: I'm sorry, but that's how it needs to stay at the moment
[12:54] <alabd> no problem ,
[12:55] <ikonia> thanks
[12:56] <alabd> when should i ask for it ikonia
[12:56] <ikonia> alabd: to be honest, when how you use IRC changes
[12:57] <ikonia> we've explained why how you use IRC doesn't work in #ubuntu, and you still use this approach
[12:57] <ikonia> so there doesn't seem to be any reason to allow you use #ubuntu while you still approach IRC in the same way
[12:57] <alabd> what's the problem with my use ?
[12:58] <ikonia> I'm not going through this with you again
[12:58] <ikonia> but the bottom line is inability to listen, withholding information, changing the problem
[12:59] <alabd> no really ,i dunno , and i'm asking just to know ...so i'll be thankful if you notice me this in private if i did so in other channels
[13:00] <ikonia> I've seen you in other channels, which is why I know your approach hasn't changed
[13:00] <ikonia> yestrerday someone refused to help you any more unless you paid him money - that was a good guy, who just had enough of trying to work with you
[13:00] <ikonia> that's just an example
[13:00] <ikonia> we often found that situation in #ubuntu with you
[13:00] <ikonia> and it's still happening
[13:01] <ikonia> a guy pointed you to #ubuntu today.....as he didn't want to deal with you again
[13:01] <ikonia> again, that's not good
[13:01] <ikonia> I'm not trying to be rude, but those are the reasons we removed you from #ubuntu and it's still an issue today
[13:01] <alabd> ok , i don't get  really, what was my fault yesterday
[13:01] <alabd> you mean i should pay him money ?
[13:01] <ikonia> I think that's half the issue, you don't see the isuse you create
[13:02] <ikonia> no, you should not give him money
[13:02] <ikonia> it hilights that you where taking up / wasting so much of his time that he didn't want to help you any more until you bought his services
[13:02] <alabd> ok he/she could stop helping me for free , what is the problem here? really don't get
[13:04] <ikonia> the problem is you frustrate people to that level and waste so much of the channels time that people refuse to help any more unless you pay them money (as an example only)
[13:04] <ikonia> alabd: I suggest you continue using other support channels
[13:06] <alabd> ikonia: i don't understand your reasons , maybe i'm faulty but can't get .. maybe not , i really wana know ... he/she asked me to pay , form that moment i didn't asked him/her again ...also i didn't ask in channel again ..iirc ...
[13:06] <ikonia> alabd: lets leave it there
[13:13] <ikonia> alabd: could you please /part the channel
[13:13] <alabd> just to be sure myself i checked logs ... he/she asked me to give him/her logs..then said  alabd: I won't comment further on this issue without more info.  At least not for free. ...the i said : :P i'm installing pastebinit on server man , w8.....then i gave him/her configs ..and then  he/she solved my problem ..
[13:15] <ikonia> alabd: yes, you gave him configs after he refused to help any more
[13:15] <ikonia> it shouldn't get to that stage
[13:18] <alabd> i think you ikonia are pessimistic about me , i really could not gave him/her config file sooner ... becuase i should install pastebinit after installing pastebin did not work well , he/she gave me a solution >  (09:51:53 PM) ***: alabd: | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:18] <ikonia> I am pessimistic about you, yes
[13:18] <ikonia> for the reasons I've just said
[13:19] <ikonia> so that's why the ban will stay
[13:19] <alabd> yes it took time for me .. but it was not because of my bad understanding of using irc channel ...
[13:19] <ikonia> well, it's not going to change a this time
[13:21] <alabd> i don't want argue more on this , but you see sometimes human judge faulty ... if you need check my behavior more , no problem ,check more , thank you for attention ,
[13:22] <ikonia> ok. bye
[13:22] <alabd> bye
[13:36] <elky> holy... he got through that conversation without saying "humble"?
[16:56] <TheLordOfTime> someone read -offtopic
[16:56] <TheLordOfTime> before someone causes epicragenuke to go off in there.
[16:57] <TheLordOfTime> thank you.
[23:06] <bkerensa> Happy Holidays!