[03:56] <philballew> pleia2, Can I ask you a network question?
[03:58] <philballew> or anyone I guess
[03:58] <philballew> What would cause my laptop to connect to my wireless network at school, then though still connected after a few minutes tank and not load anything and not be able to ping anything.
[03:58] <philballew> Wanna figure out why it only does it with them and everywhere else my laptop works fine.
[03:59] <akk> I've had problems with some laptops and some connections where it would drop the connection every few minutes, then (usually) auto-reconnect.
[03:59] <akk> Which isn't an answer, because I've never figured out why -- it's not always on a low signal strength network.
[04:00] <akk> Does iwconfig say you're still associated with the accesspoint?
[04:01] <philballew> not checked. network manager shows that I am
[04:01] <akk> iwconfig is easy enough to run.
[04:02] <philballew> totally will next time it tanks
[04:02] <akk> I've found that often when gui thingies seem to indicate I'm connected, iwconfig says I'm not really associated.
[04:02] <philballew> I think it might be some dhcp thing
[04:02] <philballew> though not sure there
[04:02] <philballew> gui's are nice, but its just one more layer that can go wrong.
[04:03] <akk> With both guis and the cmdline tools, often there's no indication of failure to associate
[04:03] <akk> and the visible failure mode is that it gets in a loop trying to get DHCP.
[04:03] <akk> You'd think it would check first whether it was associated, but for some reason network tools often don't.
[04:04] <akk> I've learned that any time I see repeated failure to get DHCP, get to a shell and type iwconfig to check.
[04:05] <philballew> network logs might show some stuff as well?
[04:06] <pleia2> I've had problems with network manager and the network driver on the laptop I'm on, every time network manager rescans the network it tanks my connection (goes slow or disconnects entirely)
[04:06] <pleia2> it gets fixed in some kernels, then breaks again, the bug report is a tale of toil and sadness
[04:06] <pleia2> so I installed wicd and it's all ok
[04:07] <philballew> thats not maintained anymore iirc?
[04:07] <pleia2> not a clue
[04:07] <pleia2> maybe it's "done" so it doesn't need to be maintained :)
[04:07] <pleia2> the package is still in the repos and it works nicely
[04:08] <philballew> perfect. Seems like a good plan if it works for you
[04:08] <pleia2> philballew: /var/log/syslog will have details for what it's doing connection-wise with the access point
[04:08] <pleia2> requesting an address, etc
[04:09] <philballew> if its dhcp i might just set a static here and see if I can fix it there
[04:09] <pleia2> also might want to check that the DNS server is working ok, and whether you can still ping IP addresses (just not domain names)
[04:09] <philballew> route would show the ip's for that
[04:09] <pleia2> hm?
[04:10] <philballew> route in bash shows some network info
[04:10] <akk> I've had better luck with wicd than networkmanager too.
[04:10] <pleia2> so many DNS servers on wifi networks are broken or just can't handle the load, so I often reset the dns server to <IP_ADDRESS> when I'm at hotels and things
[04:10] <akk> I used to have good luck with /etc/network/interfaces and cmdline tools, but that broke in pangolin. :(
[04:10] <philballew> philip@PrincessLeia:~$ route
[04:10] <philballew> Kernel IP routing table
[04:10] <philballew> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[04:10] <philballew> default         <IP_ADDRESS>    <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    0      0        0 wlan0
[04:10] <philballew> <IP_ADDRESS>    *               <IP_ADDRESS>   U     2      0        0 wlan0
[04:10] <philballew> link-local      *               <IP_ADDRESS>     U     1000   0        0 wlan0
[04:10] <philballew> <IP_ADDRESS>   *               <IP_ADDRESS>   U     0      0        0 virbr0
[04:10] <philballew> philip@PrincessLeia:~$
[04:10] <philballew> thats what route is
[04:10] <akk>  /etc/network/interface doesn't work any more at least for WPA.
[04:11] <philballew> yeah akk I noticed that as well
[04:11] <pleia2> philballew: right, that will just show you what address it has assigned :) not why it's being broken/slow or whatnot
[04:11]  * philballew hides in shame
[04:11] <philballew> I see now what you mean
[04:12] <pleia2> there are also some ip tools, like: ip route
[04:12] <pleia2> can tell you where it's trying to go out by default
[04:12] <akk> On motel wifis with broken DHCP sometimes you can just guess an IP and set it with ifconfig
[04:12] <akk> but that's not likely to work on a college net (and of course if you're not associated it wouldn't work anyway).
[04:13] <philballew> my school here is trying to switch to ipv6 and are having a bad time
[04:14] <philballew> college here uses windows for their dns servers
[04:15] <philballew> oddly enough when I use my router in the dorm connected to the cat5 port all runs fine so it makes me think it might just be a wireless problem with them.
[04:15] <pleia2> yeah, seems like
[04:16] <akk> That's normal -- wireless is about 10000% more flaky than wired.
[04:16] <philballew> I'd ask the school sysadmins but I did just quit and make their work harder
[04:16] <philballew> also they just say "why are you running linux?"
[04:17] <philballew> I could just cary around a cat5 with me. might look kinda lame, but who cares
[04:18] <akk> If you're always somewhere where there's a cat5 port.
[04:19] <philballew> the library has them, but not everywhere. might have to do some troubleshooting.
[04:43] <jbermudes> philballew: I used to know a guy that always carried some cat5 with him. Whenever the wireless got flakey nobody was laughing at him
[04:43] <philballew> jbermudes, i could carry some, then rent it out when wifi goes down.
[04:45] <jbermudes> That's the American spirit!
[04:45] <toddcnb> I carry--------1         and sit back laughing!!!! :)
[15:51] <bkerensa> ;0
[16:02] <philballew> Gareth, did you ever get my email last week? I think the mail servers do not want us talking.
[16:44] <Gareth> philballew: I did.  haven't had a chance to respond.  I'll respond today.
[16:44] <philballew> no worries. take your time. Just want to make sure it did not fail on my end.
[17:56] <bkerensa> jeez
[17:56] <bkerensa> :s
[18:38] <bkerensa> pleia2: so I wonder if Canonical is having a cash crunch? First the Amazon Suggestions to bring more revenue.... Shorter UDS.... Now a donation splash page before people can download Ubuntu
[18:38] <bkerensa> ;p
[18:57] <pleia2> sure does seem like it :\
[18:57] <pleia2> but I don't really know
[18:58] <pleia2> I think the shorter UDS makes sense in general, 5 days is a lot even for us community folks and things really wind down on friday, and that's on top of sprints the prior week for a lot of canonical folks
[19:06] <bkerensa> pleia2: jorge just said it didnt save them money really
[19:07] <bkerensa> but imho even at group rates for hotel its still going to be like $100 per person for lodging and through in food thats close to the salary of a developer for a year
[19:07] <bkerensa> ;p
[19:07] <pleia2> I think $100/person savings is a bit of a drop in the bucket when it comes to full UDS spending (which last I knew was over a million)
[19:07] <bkerensa> yeah
[19:08] <bkerensa> but 70k is still a developer for a year :P
[19:11] <pleia2> I'm staying the extra day anyway, but I'm covering my hotel for friday night (at least as long as I'm using it, which is like 4AM)
[19:12] <bkerensa> :D
[19:12] <bkerensa> Well Enjoy Denmark :)
[19:12] <bkerensa> I will be remote participating each day
[19:12] <pleia2> I'm sure I will :)
[19:12] <bkerensa> philballew: we will tag team
[19:12] <bkerensa> :D
[19:13] <philballew> gonna probably sleep all afternoon and just be tuned to the screen while doing homework
[19:13] <philballew> gonna be interesting to see how much more I can mess up my sleep
[19:14] <philballew> schedule
[19:15] <pleia2> philballew: can you take care of post-meeting tasks for our meeting on sunday? :)
[19:16] <pleia2> was short, but we should keep track of it none the less
[19:16] <philballew> yeah, should be able to do it. might just do it right after the meeting so I dont forget
[19:16] <pleia2> I mean the one we had on sunday
[19:17] <philballew> oh, yeah. I can do that sure
[19:17] <pleia2> thank you \o/
[19:17] <philballew> can do it on weekend probably. Have hw this week
[19:17] <philballew> just got out of my Java class.
[19:19] <bkerensa> pleia2: you figure out who is publishing? Will they send summary announcements?
[19:19] <pleia2> bkerensa: UWN?
[19:20] <pleia2> akgraner, nhandler and JoseeAntonioR are filling in for me
[19:20] <bkerensa> kk
[19:20] <philballew> yeah, im working with jose on that I think
[19:21] <bkerensa> well hopefully Josee will ping and I can help with summaries
[19:22] <pleia2> they should be doing all coordination in #ubuntu-news like usual :)
[19:22] <pleia2> (the emails are really for folks who don't use IRC)
[19:23] <philballew> wait
[19:23] <philballew> people dont use IRC?
[19:24] <philballew> :)
[19:24] <akk> Even folks who use IRC may not be on at the right time.
[19:25] <pleia2> anyone is welcome to be added to the email list, we don't do it without people asking
[19:25] <philballew> im setting up a irc client on a always on desktop server currently
[19:25] <pleia2> so if they don't think they'll be on IRC during coordination and want to participate, they should let us know :)
[19:25] <philballew> I give away ubuntu cd's to people that add themselves to lists.
[19:36] <bkerensa> pleia2: Somehow I have one week to get 30 more people to our Release Party http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1964/detail/
[19:36] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu 12.10 Release Party | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[19:36] <bkerensa> :( only 16 so far
[19:38] <philballew> bkerensa, if you fly me up there ill come


[12:08] <gg_mobil> hello there
[18:29] <rgh> Eickmeyer: 20.04 jalv is missing jalv.gtk2 and other stuff
[18:29] <rgh> gtk3 broken too `suil error: Failed to open module /usr/lib/suil-0/libsuil_x11_in_gtk3.so (/usr/lib/suil-0/libsuil_x11_in_gtk3.so: kan gedeeld objectbestand niet openen: Bestand of map bestaat niet)`
[18:30]  * rgh sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/rfNviChUQOyBgIkaMZIsvnFA/message.txt >
[18:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> rgh: That's sync'd from Debian, and gtk2 is on the way out of the archives. There's nothing I can do.
[18:31] <rgh> :sadpepe:
[18:31] <rgh> ppa ?
[18:31] <rgh> because for development this is kinda the 'standard host'
[18:32] <rgh> if it works in jalv, I'm covered, so to speak
[18:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm trying to research this...
[18:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> rgh: Did you try jalv.gtk (without the 2)?
[18:34] <rgh> I did
[18:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> Strange.
[18:34]  * rgh sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/agyeNsEMBIshLaIMohmVHQDH/message.txt >
[18:34] <rgh> I'm gonna check with falktx, because I have his repos too
[18:35] <rgh> but I doubt jalv is in kx
[18:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> Looking at it, it's likely that the gtk2 version didn't build since gtk2 is going the way of the dodo. As far as the gtk3 version, I can't read what you pasted there because that's a foreign language to me.
[18:36] <rgh> Eickmeyer: `jalv.select` should that be in the repos ?
[18:36] <rgh> it's dutch .. best language ever
[18:36] <rgh> kids here speak it too, really easy
[18:36] <rgh> hold on
[18:37]  * rgh sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/TRebKOvaItdMCZeZzTToTeFr/message.txt >
[18:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> If it builds as an executable of jalv. It doesn't appear that the debian/control file has anything more than a jalv.deb binary built: https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/jalv/-/blob/master/debian/control
[18:38] <rgh> wait, is it libsuil ?
[18:39] <rgh> `suil error: Failed to open module /usr/lib/suil-0/libsuil_x11_in_gtk3.so (/usr/lib/suil-0/libsuil_x11_in_gtk3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)`
[18:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> That looks like a suil error, not related to jalv itself. My guess is there's a bug in suil.
[18:39] <rgh> ouch
[18:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> Failed to load module... maybe it's not installed?
[18:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> If that's the case, then it needs to be added as a dep.
[18:40] <rgh> checking
[18:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> libsuil-dev is a build-dep, so I don't know why it's not an actual dep.
[18:42] <rgh> maybe suil-libs
[18:42] <rgh> isn't installed
[18:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Did you try that?
[18:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Installing it, I mean.
[18:43] <rgh> can't install, needs qt4 stuff
[18:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> RIP
[18:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Let me figure out what's going on with suil.
[18:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> rgh: suil is updated to 0.10.8 in Groovy. Seems as though 0.10.6 might've had some X11 GTK size regressions that you're running into.
[18:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> If you wouldn't mind, file a bug against suil (ubuntu-bug suil) and I might be able to push an SRU for it.
[18:49] <rgh> I'll do, but tomorrow
[18:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> rgh: Sounds like a plan.
[18:49] <rgh> I'm getting tired now :-/
[18:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's all good. Just approaching Noon here.
[18:50] <rgh> it's still early here 20:50 , but I wanna watch a bit of tv and the alarm goes off at 03:30 am
[18:50] <rgh> like every day
[18:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yikes. Chill out and get some rest. :)


[20:58] <realtime-neil> Using the directions here (https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-quickstart) I can duplicate that workflow. But, if I change the iso from https://releases.ubuntu.com/focal/ubuntu-20.04-live-server-amd64.iso to https://releases.ubuntu.com/bionic/ubuntu-18.04.4-live-server-amd64.iso, it doesn't work.
[20:59] <realtime-neil> What's allowing the focal live server iso to work in this case? What does the bionic live server iso lack?
[21:00] <realtime-neil> I suspect something in the casper/initrd, but I can't say for certain
[21:17] <xnox> realtime-neil:  hi, multiple things in livecd-rootfs, how the squashfs are constructed, and how the initrd is built (casper), make many new features work in focal and not on bionic.
[21:17] <xnox> realtime-neil:  at the moment autoinstall is only supported on focal and up.
[21:18] <realtime-neil> ah, okay, gotcha
[21:18] <xnox> realtime-neil:  specifically cloud-init is configured differently, and ssh is missing.
[21:18] <realtime-neil> xnox:  is there a workaround I can use with bionic?
[21:18] <xnox> realtime-neil:  so far we were not tempted to backport all the things to bionic to enable autoinstall in bionic =/ as focal is so awesome, everybody should migrate to focal and totally will next month =) right :-) ?! =)
[21:19] <realtime-neil> xnox: RIGHT!
[21:19]  * xnox goes back to the fantasy land, where people adopt the new Ubuntu LTS the week before it ships point release.
[21:19] <realtime-neil> xnox: would it be absolutely insane to use the focal kernel-initrd pair to grab a bionic iso with the `url=` trickery?
[21:24] <xnox> realtime-neil:  that will get you about 70% there, but you will still need to patch bionic iso
[21:24] <xnox> realtime-neil:  i.e. the installer.squashfs needs cloud-init installed and the /etc/cloud/* stuff to be like it is in the focal iso
[21:25] <xnox> realtime-neil:  or you could open a feature request against launchpad.net/subiquity "please make autoinstall work in bionic, kthxbye"
[21:25] <realtime-neil> xnox: I can ask for things! I'm going to do it!
[21:29] <realtime-neil> xnox: is a feature request the same as a Bug, but with a nicer tone? I'm not seeing anything that identifies itself as "feature request".
[21:32] <xnox> realtime-neil:  it's just a bug yes =)
[21:32] <xnox> realtime-neil:  nicer tone, always welcome.
[21:33] <realtime-neil> Is this enough, or should I make a "real" bug? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subiquity/+question/692119
[21:33] <xnox> and then you can like casually mention mwhudson that community are requesting autoinstall support in bionic. and like do ^^^^
[21:34] <mwhudson> why am i in this channel!!
[21:35] <mwhudson> anyway, autoinstall for bionic would be possible but also a fiddle
[21:35] <realtime-neil> mwhudson: now you've got my curiosity piqued
[21:36] <realtime-neil> Also, I made this for you, mwhudson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subiquity/+bug/1889314
[21:45] <realtime-neil> xnox: yep, I'm 70% of the way there: booting qemu with the focal kernel-initrd pair and a url=http://myhost:3003/ubuntu-18.04.4-live-server-amd64.iso gives me "Unable to find a live filesystem on the network"
[21:47] <xnox> realtime-neil:  you can like speficy casper ignore uuid, or specify casper uuid = <bionic uuid> => there is a quick check to ensure one is trying to boot a matching kernel+initrd & iso pari.
[21:47] <xnox> *pair
[21:48] <realtime-neil> xnox: is that a kernel param? which uuid is it referencing?
[21:50] <realtime-neil> got it; added appends `live-media-path=/casper/ ignore_uuid`
[21:50] <realtime-neil> Sweet! That looks a lot better.
[21:52] <xnox> something something man casper something something or like http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man7/casper.7.html
[21:53] <xnox> ignore_uuid sounds a bout right
[21:59] <realtime-neil> I got as far as the disk partitioning; as soon as I confirm the suggested partitioning scheme, it throws "module bcache not found in directory /lib/modules/5.4.0-26-generic"
[21:59] <realtime-neil> I'm guessing that has something to do with the mismatch between the kernel I'm running and the live media I'm using
[22:17] <xnox> realtime-neil:  yeah indeed that will happen.
[22:17] <xnox> realtime-neil:  you could switch to terminal and install the modules for the matching kernel you booted.
[22:17] <xnox> realtime-neil:  i.e. add focal, apt update, install focal's kernel modules.
[22:43] <realtime-neil> xnox: in which part? the casper/installer.squashfs ?
[22:49] <xnox> hm.
[22:49] <xnox> realtime-neil:  you can replace the modules squashfs in casper/extra/* no?
[22:50] <xnox> realtime-neil:  with the right one? inside the bionic image.
[22:50] <xnox> replace it with the one from focal image?
[23:44] <realtime-neil> xnox: ah, okay got it; within the ubuntu-18.04.4-live-server-amd64.iso, replace the `casper/extras/modules.*` with the ones taken from the ubuntu-20.04-live-server-amd64.iso
[23:59] <xnox> realtime-neil:  i hope you understand that at this point you are trying to attach the Hand from the Adam's family, onto frankenstein from a different movie.


[00:39] <infinity> xnox: It was just announced, patience. :P
[00:40] <infinity> xnox: But there's some stuff to play with at https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[07:52] <pkern> Hi. We're looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1450442 right now... Will an update to trusty bump the ABI version? (So that we can uninstall the broken version globally but still get the update...)
[08:00] <tjaalton> pkern: no, it didn't bump the abi
[08:04] <pkern> The patch didn't, but I'm not sure about the update schedule here and if it will be coalesced with other patches?
[08:04] <tjaalton> according to git the abi wasn't bumped
[08:05] <tjaalton> -52.86 has the fix
[08:05] <pkern> Well, -50 and -51 were broken and -51 is what hit us, so it's -52.
[08:06] <tjaalton> ah
[08:06] <pkern> I don't see 86 :(
[08:06] <pkern> Just 85
[08:06] <tjaalton> oh right, there was a cve in between that bumped it
[08:06] <tjaalton> still building I guess
[08:06] <pkern> In a PPA and then copied?
[08:06] <tjaalton> not sure, apw?
[08:07] <pkern> Yeah, it's in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[08:09] <pkern> tjaalton: Thanks for the pointer to -52.86.
[08:09] <pkern> That helps. :)
[08:11] <tjaalton> yw
[09:26] <genkgo> We have a problem with HyperV and Ubuntu. The problems occurs during backuping up a VPS. We have the feeling it is kernel related. Filesystems goes read-only somewhere during backup. Kernel is 3.13.0-49. Our CentOS machine does not have this problem. It uses kernel 3.10.0-123.


[01:43] <Private_User> Maaz: tell Kilos, thanks I will have a look at that :)
[01:43] <Maaz> Private_User: I don't know who Kilos, is.  I won't see her until next year
[14:14] <Kilos> whew by then the rain is gone again
[14:14] <Kilos> haha
[14:14] <Kilos> not serious man
[14:14] <gremble> Haha the rain will always be here
[14:14] <gremble> :P
[14:14] <gremble> It is not like we live in a desert
[14:15] <gremble> xD
[14:16] <Kilos> lol at times we are close here in ptown
[14:16] <Kilos> when you werent even a twinkle in your dads eye we used to get 600mm plus here a year
[14:16] <Kilos> now we lucky if we get over 100mm
[14:39] <gremble> Weather patterns change
[14:39] <gremble> Such is life
[14:39] <gremble> :P
[14:51] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[14:51] <Kilos> whatsup?
[14:51] <Kilos> Maaz seen golynx
[14:51] <Maaz> Kilos: golynx was last seen 1 month, 11 days, 19 hours, 54 minutes and 54 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-10-01 11:56:49 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-10-01 12:43:12 PDT
[15:22] <Kilos> oh gremble im hopefully having better luck now
[15:24] <Kilos> took another scrappy 1TB drive and used gparted to check it and mark bad sectors, then parted it to 50g and 950g and installed kubuntu on the large partition
[15:24] <Kilos> and running the recoveries from it now
[15:25] <Kilos> all the bad blocks were in the beginning of the drive
[15:49] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[15:49]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[15:49] <Kilos> Maaz hurry
[15:49] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[15:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:57] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[15:57] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[16:34] <Squirm> hello all
[16:40] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[16:40] <Kilos> you still yawning?
[16:41] <Squirm> today
[16:41] <Squirm> today...
[16:41] <Squirm> today was something else
[16:42] <Kilos> good or bad
[16:45] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[16:46] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[16:46] <Kilos> wb where you been
[16:46] <Golynx> thanks , i've been around but busy other stuff
[16:46] <Golynx> how you
[16:46] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[16:47] <Golynx> i'm doing ok ty
[16:47] <Golynx> just irritated
[16:47] <Kilos> why now?
[16:48] <Golynx> i got 60 GB of free data to spend till March 2015, but at GPRS speed >:|
[16:49] <Kilos> eish
[16:49] <Kilos> late nights
[16:50] <Golynx> yeah its competitions with cellc, you can win 1GB or 2GB a day if you answer a question fast enough
[16:50] <Golynx> lucky i got all right so far :)
[16:51] <Kilos> thats nice, free data at any speed is good
[16:52] <Golynx> thank goodness for WGET! , i can tackle big downloads easilly
[16:52] <Kilos> hi z3r009
[16:52] <Kilos> yeah wget rocks
[16:52] <z3r009> surp,
[16:53] <Kilos> all good and you?
[16:53] <Golynx> but it feels good to swim in data for once , even if the network is slow :D
[16:53] <Golynx> hi z3r009
[16:53] <Kilos> yeah it sucks to have to watch every meg
[16:55] <Golynx> lucky i dont have to do that till end of 2015 :)
[16:55] <Kilos> you supposed to be making money with web designs man Golynx
[16:55] <Golynx> i also win around R 10 000 airtime :D
[16:55] <Kilos> wow
[16:55] <Kilos> 10,000?
[16:56] <Kilos> thats a lifetimes airtime for me
[16:56] <Golynx> Yeah i am busy with that and more stuff to help me make an income
[16:56] <Squirm> Kilos: lots and lots of issues
[16:56] <Kilos> eish Squirm
[16:56] <z3r009> today seems active.
[16:57] <Golynx> hehe, yeah R 500 you can win every 4 days or so until January
[16:57] <Kilos> what kind of questions
[16:57] <Golynx> but i got 3 sim cards so i win with all of them
[16:57] <Kilos> lol
[16:59] <Golynx> basically, you gotta watch an advert and at certain times of the day visit the website and answer the question based on the advert. Answer fast enough and you get the prize
[16:59] <z3r009> what's this?
[17:00] <Golynx> all prizes are gone around a minute or so though , so you really gotta be super fast :)
[17:18] <Kilos> Golynx tell him
[17:19] <Kilos> i can only answer questions about long ago stuff
[17:20] <Golynx> oh i thought he meant something else
[17:20] <Golynx> z3r009: if you got cellc just visit http://epic.cellc.co.za :)
[17:21] <Golynx> all info there
[17:21] <z3r009> cool i'll check that out
[17:54] <magespawn> good evening
[17:58] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:58] <Kilos> hi ManicPanic welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:59] <Kilos> golynx is that you
[18:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:03] <magespawn> silence is golden
[18:03] <Kilos> hehe hows it magespawn
[18:04] <Kilos> Golynx why you here twice with different nicks
[18:04] <magespawn> good and you Kilos? bit damp around here
[18:04] <Kilos> weve only had 12mm so far but its cool
[18:04] <Kilos> we need every drop
[18:05] <Golynx> Kilos: oh , probably other client connected
[18:06] <Kilos> haha manis panic
[18:06] <magespawn> indeed i am not sure how much we have had, but it feels like it is just enough to make every thing a little damp
[18:06] <Kilos> manic
[18:06] <Kilos> oh magespawn gparted goes further now i see
[18:07] <gremble> o/
[18:07] <Golynx> lol, cause i panic alot :D
[18:07] <Kilos> the bush guy told me last night
[18:07] <Golynx> when programming that is
[18:07] <magespawn> goes further?
[18:07] <z3r009> hmmm... sounds interesting...
[18:08] <Kilos> you format the drive to ext2 then click the fartition and tell it check and it finds bad blocks and marks them
[18:08] <Kilos> i just dont know what happens then if you format it to ext4 later
[18:09] <Kilos> but worth playing around with
[18:09] <Kilos> ha what did spinza do now
[18:10] <Kilos> try spam someone
[18:10] <Kilos> spinza what did you do
[18:10] <Kilos> who you spamming
[18:10] <spinza> ?
[18:11] <Kilos> <-- spinza<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left this server (Excess Flood).
[18:11] <spinza> Have no idea?
[18:11] <Kilos> you using hexchat?
[18:11] <Kilos> or xchat
[18:11] <spinza> hexchat + znc
[18:12] <spinza> why?
[18:12] <Kilos> there was someone here a while back who had that kinda prob, he had to turn something off
[18:13] <Kilos> when it logs into a few channels it tries to greet them all or something
[18:13] <spinza> hmm
[18:13] <spinza> might be znc
[18:13] <Kilos> so floods more than what irc accepts
[18:14] <Kilos> i forget now who it was
[18:14] <Kilos> hes kept part/joining all the time though till they klined him
[18:15] <Kilos> yours is once only looks like
[18:20] <gremble> Kilos: did you ever get that drive recovered
[18:20] <Kilos> it is still busy now gremble
[18:20] <Kilos> i explained earlier what i did
[18:20] <Kilos> didnt you read?
[18:21] <gremble> I saw something about a 1tb drive that had bad sectors
[18:21] <Kilos>  <Kilos> oh gremble im hopefully having better luck now
[18:21] <Kilos> [11/12/14 17:24] <Kilos> took another scrappy 1TB drive and used gparted to check it and mark bad sectors, then parted it to 50g and 950g and installed kubuntu on the large partition
[18:21] <Kilos> now running recovery from there
[18:22] <gremble> Ah ok
[18:22] <Kilos> at 35.5% now
[18:22] <magespawn> Kilos that is pretty cool stuff you doing there
[18:22] <Kilos> you know i love playing with hardware magespawn
[18:23] <Kilos> easier for me than learning html and stuff i have to remember
[18:23] <magespawn> indeed, but still relatively advanced
[18:23] <bushtech> is that something like a pyromaniac?
[18:23] <Kilos> i may be stupid but im not a fool
[18:23] <Kilos> hehe
[18:23] <Golynx> Humans aimed a craft ten years ago at a comet moving 30000mph, and landed it today. Amazing! I'm sure linux was involved :) https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/532594962362531840?p=v
[18:25] <Kilos> they spend all that money on stuff they cant use and leave starving peeps starving
[18:26] <Kilos> and others without free internet
[18:26] <Kilos> hehe
[18:26] <Golynx> Kilos: lol
[18:26] <Golynx> i assume you talking abour India
[18:27] <Golynx> about*
[18:27] <Kilos> find the costs of that exercise and youll see
[18:27] <Golynx> but India has the cheapest mission so far to Mars
[18:28] <Kilos> ya and 80% of their peeps are skeletons
[18:28] <Golynx> Kilos: yeah , must be in the Billions to land a probe on a comet is tough apples
[18:29] <Kilos> i can understand mining the moon or some close by planet but not something they cant use
[18:29] <bushtech> 1.5B Euro
[18:29] <Kilos> wow
[18:32] <Golynx> comets are full of materials and organic carbon matter most planets dont have, they wana see if a comet started life here on earth by doing that. Water also in comets
[18:33] <Kilos> so is the craft going to dig there and get samples of what it is made of
[18:33] <bushtech> yep
[18:33] <Kilos> and by the time they have the info where will the comet be
[18:36] <Kilos> naand inetpro
[18:36] <Kilos> if i dont rock his boat he stagnates
[18:36] <Golynx> comets move in an oval pattern around the Sun, so they will probably get a constant flow of info from what it finds
[18:36] <Trixar_za> If it can stay attached
[18:37] <Kilos> ok lets see if they get anything out of it in my lifetime
[18:38] <Golynx> Trixar_za: those drills looks pretty tough, maybe it will
[18:38] <Golynx> Kilos: i'm sure they will :)
[18:39] <Trixar_za> You mean the harpoons :P
[18:39] <Trixar_za> And it seems those are having problems deploying
[18:39] <gremble> It should get some viagra
[18:39] <gremble> It would help those harpoons deploy
[18:40] <gremble> and penetrate
[18:41] <Golynx> Trixar_za: yeah luckly they have a backup plan for a backup plan
[18:50] <inetpro> good evening
[18:50] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[18:51] <Kilos> hehe
[18:51] <Kilos> naand boetie
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: where are these big rains they talking about?
[18:54] <Kilos> inetpro i dont know, only floods we have had is air with all the wind
[18:54] <Kilos> how much did you get'
[18:54] <Kilos> they say more tonight and tomorrow
[18:54] <Kilos> we had 2 today
[18:55] <Kilos> so total of 14
[18:58] <inetpro> 5mm today
[18:58] <Kilos> ai! dit ook maar min ne
[18:59] <inetpro> yep, maar van gister al waarskuwings van vloede gesien
[18:59] <inetpro> van die weerburo
[18:59] <Kilos> ja maar niks nie
[19:00] <Kilos> ek seker hulle almal dronk by die werk
[19:00] <inetpro> hulle probeer net vir my bangmaak sodat ek vroeg huistoe ry
[19:01] <Kilos> lol
[19:20] <Kilos> gremble 40%  304 gig
[19:20] <Kilos> not sure if im going to have enough space again
[19:20] <Kilos> sigh
[19:21] <Kilos> mystifying how so much can be on a 100g partition
[19:21] <Kilos> and a newish one too, not data added over and over
[19:23] <gremble> Then something is probably happening that shouldn't be
[19:23] <gremble> Can't draw more than 100g from 100g
[19:25] <Kilos> well it is, maybe as magespawn says there are layers of data there but how they got there no one knows
[19:27] <Kilos> very weird because i bought it new and only put files there once, no formatting over and over or deleting and adding
[19:28] <Kilos> lets hope i have space to recover it all then we can see what all is there
[19:34] <magespawn> Kilos, i thought the drive was second hand
[19:34] <Kilos> nope its the new 1TB drive i got a month ago
[19:34] <Kilos> thats what is so mystifying
[19:35] <gremble> The new drive had bad sectors?
[19:36] <Kilos> nope
[19:36] <Kilos> i zeroed the wrong drive
[19:37] <gremble> Oh ok
[19:37] <Kilos> i normally zero from my working drive to sdb but this time i did it from a live dvd
[19:37] <Kilos> and chose wrong drive
[19:38] <magespawn> it will be interesting to see what it recovers then
[19:38] <Kilos> the one i wanted to zero is the one im using now
[19:38] <Kilos> yeah it will
[19:44] <gremble> night fellas
[19:44] <Kilos> night gremble
[19:44] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:59] <Kilos> magespawn i think im on to something
[20:00] <Kilos> you first have to run foremost
[20:00] <Kilos> that saves something in an output folder
[20:00] <Kilos> you can get properties of it though so who knows what all is in it
[20:01] <Kilos> then scalpel uses the foremost output to make a scalpel output folder
[20:02] <Kilos> now if foremost output is 300g then with scapels adding whatever you fill up your drive
[20:03] <Kilos> i might need a 2TB drive to be able to do it successfully
[20:03] <magespawn> i have read about those tools but never used them
[20:05] <Kilos> im enjoying this
[20:06] <Kilos> the answer seems to be to use a drive 3 or 4 times the size of the one you want to recover from
[20:07] <Kilos> ive no idea how you would recover from a 4TB drive
[20:10] <Kilos> scalpel looks at the headers and footers i think its called and fills in what foremost missed
[20:22] <Kilos> so basically you saving all the recovered info twice
[20:33] <Kilos> you must go sleep magespawn
[20:34] <magespawn> i will just now, busy filling in my CV
[20:37] <Kilos> sjoe you looking for another job?
[20:37] <Kilos> oh not lekker being away from home all week
[20:40] <magespawn> yes, but we have planned to move away from Hluhluwe at some point, and i do not want to wait until it is too late
[20:40] <Kilos> ah ok
[20:43] <Kilos> 51% done 381 gig
[20:43] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:44] <magespawn> lots of info, maybe the company just zero writes the drive and that is what you are recovering
[20:44] <SDCDev> lol
[20:45] <Kilos> lol
[20:45] <Kilos> no man there were pictures and videos recovered las time and lots of other stuff i have no idea what it could be
[20:46] <Kilos> i have also set scalpel to recover everything of all types so i could configure it to only recover data or pics etc
[20:50] <Kilos> thats actually an idea. one type at a time, then move them to storage somewhere else and get the next type
[20:50] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:52] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight. im just going to leave it running a get the surprise in the morning
[20:56] <magespawn> right time for bed, good night all


[01:47] <mhb> guess whos here! :o)
[01:49] <nixternal> who?
[01:49] <nixternal> :p
[01:54] <mhb> it is too early for santa claus
[01:54] <mhb> nixternal: hi, what happened while I was gone (one week, not that you noticed)
[01:55] <nixternal> I was somewhat gone as well for a funeral...my connection got fixed, we released the beta, and that is about all I can think of really
[01:57] <mhb> nixternal: awww. Vacations are way better than funerals.
[01:57] <nixternal> heh, tell me about it
[02:01] <mhb> nixternal: what are we doing at the moment? Any critical tasks to be done?
[02:01] <mhb> nixternal: or are we all slacking as usual and getting fresh ideas for the UDS?
[02:09] <mhb> nixternal: heh, bothering you too much, am I? Enjoy the rest of the day and sorry for that :o)
[02:10] <nixternal> slacking as usual
[02:10] <nixternal> hehe, you aren't bothering me, I am going back and forth between my steaks on the grill
[02:28] <mhb> nixternal: bon appetit then
[05:21] <DaSkreech> !hobbsee
[05:21] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Oh sorry ubotu
[11:47] <Jucato> anyone noticed a commnds file (ps?) in $HOME?
[01:56] <waylandbill> Jucato: not in my home.
[02:15] <Jucato> waylandbill: ok that was weird. coz I had the same file in both laptop and desktop. and the laptop after I upgraded to gutsy
[03:14] <marseillai_> hi
[03:14] <marseillai_> i'm cleaning my package for itest : http://itest.sourceforge.net/index.shtml and i don't know in wich section should i set it ?
[05:01] <Jucato> good morning Hobbsee :)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> heya!
[05:02] <Jucato> how was your sunday?
[05:02] <nixternal> yay power outtage
[05:02] <Jucato> oooh hello nixternal
[05:02] <nixternal> howdy
[05:02] <nixternal> heh
[05:03] <nixternal> howdy :)
[05:04] <Jucato> ok, I officially hate whoever either put W to close to Q or made Ctrl+W the default for Close window/tab
[05:04] <Jucato> "too close"
[05:04] <nixternal> heh
[05:05] <nixternal> konvi or irssi?
[05:05] <nixternal> in irssi, I just do /wc
[05:05] <Jucato> konvi. CtrL+W doesn't work on irssi :)
[05:07] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: howdy you misleaded blind child
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah, i've been bitten by that before too
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's been OK
[05:16] <nixternal> ummm, anyone else notice the + mouse cursor when you login?
[05:17] <Hobbsee> yeah, i did.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> no idea what that is
[05:17] <nixternal> OK, I thought I was going crazy for a minute
[05:20] <Jucato> hehe yeah
[05:20] <Jucato> I also hand a "commands" file in my $HOME
[05:21] <Jucato> which opened up in kghostview w/ a screenshot of my desktop
[05:21] <Tm_T> where's DaSkreech when you need him
[05:21] <Hobbsee> commands is from imagemagik
[05:25] <Jucato> Hobbsee: hm.. what's it doing there?
[05:34] <fritsch> Hobbsee: I found a bug in kblueplugd script, it is very obiously wrong, should i file a separate bug?
[05:38] <fritsch> Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m2075b735 import and x in totally wrong place
[05:43] <Hobbsee> fritsch: separate bug from what?
[05:43] <fritsch> Hobbsee: please have a look at the pastebin
[05:43] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no idea...but we need to look at upgrading that - pronto.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> fritsch: i did.
[05:43] <fritsch> Hobbsee: you see the import and the x? before #!/usr/bin/python
[05:44] <Hobbsee> ....oh wow.
[05:44] <Hobbsee> th'ats impressive.
[05:44] <fritsch> Hobbsee: just running kblueplugd on your system should terminate by this error
[05:46] <Hobbsee> fritsch: yeah, id' wondered why it was dying
[05:46] <fritsch> Hobbsee: kdebluetooth is heavily broken in 7.10 anyway, but svn version without debian patches is working correct, but this issue is already filed, but only marked as NEW till now
[05:47] <Hobbsee> fritsch: ah yes, it's https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebluetooth/+bug/146145
[05:48] <fritsch> Hobbsee: yes, this one - i pasted the kblueplugd issue in comment 3, but did not really know, if this was seen
[05:49] <Hobbsee> fritsch: mind fixing https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebluetooth/+bug/78155 as well?
[05:50] <fritsch> Hobbsee: you were the last uploader, so i thought going directly to you, with this python thing, would be better ;-)
[05:50] <Hobbsee> true
[05:51] <fritsch> Hobbsee: I can try compiling the kubuntu packages without the patches in debian and see if this is working for receving files and so on ...
[05:51] <fritsch> Hobbsee: then we would know, OUR patches make sth. wrong
[05:52] <Hobbsee> fritsch: yeah, our package looks to be in a bad way
[05:54] <Hobbsee> right, yuck
[05:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ping me when you're around please, @ kdebluetooth
[05:54] <Hobbsee> fritsch: i'm more inclined to take the debian package, and merge from it - and shove our changes back there.
[05:55] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i looked at the patches, i think the 08 patch could be wrong, i have a try
[05:55] <Hobbsee> if it's in the kde_extras, then...
[05:55] <Hobbsee> whichc is 08?  i dont have the source here
[05:57] <fritsch> Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m7cba86e5
[05:57] <fritsch> Hobbsee: it is just trial and error, but perhaps it helps - one patch should be wrong ;-)
[05:57] <Hobbsee> fritsch: indeed.
[05:57] <Hobbsee> fritsch: where are you, btw?
[05:58] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i just compile the package without this one - so i just start
[05:58] <fritsch> Hobbsee: there is also a patches.old directory - i moved it out of the way, but this looks very beta
[05:58] <Hobbsee> fritsch: unsure if there's any point, if we're just going to take debians, then add any of our non-crackful bits.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> yeah.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> fritsch: can you email me and remind me to look at this stuff tomorrow?
[06:00] <fritsch> Hobbsee: yes, i do
[06:02] <Hobbsee> cool, thanks
[06:02] <Hobbsee> hopefully i'll have time tomorrow
[06:09] <fritsch> Hobbsee: build the package without all the ubuntu changes, but it is still not working, i think we should merge again from upstream or take the debian package
[06:15] <fritsch> Hobbsee: debian unstable package is working on 7.10 - i write everything in a mail tomorrow
[06:15] <Hobbsee> cool, ok
[06:15] <Hobbsee> we'll want to take beta 8, though
[06:16] <fritsch> Hobbsee: svn is working, too
[06:16] <fritsch> Hobbsee: but not our version of it
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: ping
[06:20] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: hah, you're funny
[06:21] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: you thought I'm paid developer?
[06:23] <Jucato> lol
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: :-)
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Hey more paid developers is better for everyone :)
[06:28] <Tm_T> sure
[06:28] <Tm_T> but I
[06:28] <Jucato> wish
[06:29] <Jucato>  <Tm_T> but I wish
[06:29] <Jucato> right?
[06:30] <Tm_T> nope
[06:30] <Tm_T> more like "me? you gotta be kidding mate"
[06:31] <Jucato> hehe ok :)
[07:14] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Why would i be kidding?
[07:15] <Tm_T> well, I dont feel I would deserve it
[07:15] <DaSkreech> You got no skills? :)
[07:16] <Tm_T> more like, I get nothing done currently
[07:16] <Tm_T> skills is another story =)
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[07:25] <Tm_T> all I do is talk talk talk
[07:25] <Tm_T> some days not even that =)
[07:35] <DaSkreech> how do LTSdot releases work?
[07:37] <larsivi> It seems like the Fn key on my laptop stopped working a week or two ago, I guess after an update (running gutsy)
[07:37] <mhb> LTSdot? You mean like 6.06.1? those are updated live CDs with security fixes
[07:37] <larsivi> anyone else seen that, or heard of it?
[07:40] <DaSkreech> mhb: Right when do they get released
[07:40] <DaSkreech> is that on a aschedule?
[07:40] <mhb> I do not think so
[07:41] <DaSkreech> hmm ok
[07:41] <mhb> although they plan something else for this LTS
[07:42] <mhb> I have heard gossip about doing a regular release, then having an extended "bug fix" period, then release the LTS ... perhaps just gossip, I dunno
[08:31] <uga> guys, in the last kde update, something is running "import commands" as a system call, at the end of hte startup process of kde
[08:32] <uga> it seems to be a python importing method, but runs as a system call instead
[08:32] <uga> so it grabs a postrcript screenshot file called "commands"
[08:32] <uga> anyone knows what's up?
[08:33] <uga> right now I'm grepping the whole disk for this...
[08:33] <uga> its' easy to notice, since once you enter the desktop, the cursor turns into a "take screenshot" cursor
[08:33] <uga> a strange cross
[08:34] <nixternal> uga: it is known, and I believe fritsch created a patch for it
[08:34] <uga> ah, thanks
[08:35] <uga> do you know the whereabouts so that I can fix it here temporarily?
[08:35] <nixternal> that explains the goofy + mouse icon when you log in...there was an import in a python script for kdebluetooth was listed before the #! /usr/bin/python
[08:35] <nixternal> import is an imagemagick screen capture command
[08:36] <nixternal> /usr/bin/kblueplugd is the file with the issue
[08:38] <uga> nixternal: thanks, kdebluetooth. Yes I figured out it was the import command running, but not what was running it
[08:48] <hunger> When will bluetooth work again in kubuntu gutsy?
[08:48] <hunger>  /usr/bin/kblueplugd is borked but even fixing that does not allow me to use bluetooth here.
[08:59] <mhb> hunger: ask allee about that
[09:00] <hunger> allee: ping?
[09:00] <hunger> mhb: bluetooth has so many open bugs:-(
[09:08] <mhb> hunger: not my fault, I am afraid
[09:08] <hunger> mhb: I am not blaming you:-)
[09:09] <DaSkreech> I just defeated you  hahahaha
[09:09] <hunger> DaSkreech: Hi there!
[09:09] <DaSkreech> Seriously though
[09:09] <DaSkreech> Would decibel be useful in kate?
[09:10] <hunger> DaSkreech: If they want to communicate via kate, then yes.
[09:11] <hunger> DaSkreech: No idea why somebody would want that (maybe collaborative editing?) though:-)
[09:11] <DaSkreech> So kate could be gobby like with a decibel implementation?
[09:11] <DaSkreech> Bingo
[09:11] <DaSkreech> Oh another thing
[09:11] <hunger> DaSkreech: telepathy has tubes to tunnel dbus through IM. Might work with decibel (untested though).
[09:12] <DaSkreech>  does telepathy support short term short distance communication ?
[09:12] <hunger> DaSkreech: telepathy is basically a interface for IM protocols. It can support everything under the sun.
[09:12] <DaSkreech> Right
[09:12] <DaSkreech> But I'm asking if it can do discovery
[09:12] <hunger> DaSkreech: IIRC there is some bonjour based communication thingy for the OLPC.
[09:13] <DaSkreech> right
[09:13] <hunger> DaSkreech: that is a telepathy thing, too.
[09:13] <DaSkreech> that's telepathy based?
[09:13] <DaSkreech> Ok
[09:13] <DaSkreech> grr
[09:13] <DaSkreech> quit answering things before I ask them :-P
[09:14] <hunger> Where can I get the kde settings as set up during install? /etc/skel does not have .kde.
[09:15] <DaSkreech> so if kate could pipe the online/offline state of known contacts into a framework that allowed one-two click sharing of documents
[09:15] <DaSkreech> it's also feasible that it could do discovery of new people connected to a LAN and share documents with them as well?
[09:16] <hunger> DaSkreech: In principle that is possible. In practice that will need some work on decibel:-)
[09:16] <DaSkreech> Well the framework for kate doesn't even exost yet so...
[09:16] <DaSkreech> exist
[09:18] <hunger> Sorry, lost connection.
[09:19] <DaSkreech> I was just saying the framework for kate doesnt exist
[09:19] <DaSkreech> so no stress yet
[09:20] <DaSkreech> There isn't?
[09:20] <hunger> Nope.
[09:21] <DaSkreech> I just assume that if it's a kapp it has search
[09:24] <hunger> Ah, just takes a while for it to be registered by kmenuedit:-)
[10:14] <bddebian> Heya
[10:54] <DaSkreech> yo
[10:55] <_StefanS_> hey