[08:56] <AlanBell> curious stuff on planet.ubuntu-women.org at the moment
[09:14] <elky> Someone might have forgotten she's syndicated
[09:15] <elky> Haven't seen her around for quite a while.
[09:33] <AlanBell> I am not complaining, just an observation of mild surprise
[11:18] <czajkowski> morning
[11:18] <elky> AlanBell, you're not the only one to observe with surprise.
[11:23] <czajkowski> I wish the feed Yolynne Medina  had actually had content on the planet rather than linking to her page
[11:24] <czajkowski> Romana Branden  has been busy blogging alright, last week the same about 5 posts in one go
[11:26] <czajkowski> Meeting orla who took part in the UW  Play day competition http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/07/03/june-ubuntu-hour-and-meeting-orla/


[11:55] <Neepu> Hi, im trying to setup openstack with conjure-up, but have trouble because of proxy settings. Can anyone please help me out?
[11:56] <Neepu> Do i need to create a juju controller with juju bootstrap --config http-proxy=....?
[11:56] <stokachu> Neepu: conjure-up --help, there are options to enter proxy
[11:57] <cnf> Neepu: proxies are a pain
[11:57] <cnf> Neepu: if you set http-proxy, make sure the proxy can access all openstack services or your openstack won't work
[11:58] <Neepu> right ty for quick answers
[12:02] <Neepu> Hm.. that didn't work out. Still recieving "2017-07-10 14:04:06,492 [ERROR] conjure-up/openstack-novalxd - common.py:36 - Error bootstrapping controller: ['ERROR Get https://<IP_ADDRESS>:40179/1.0: Service Unavailable']"
[12:05] <cnf> what needs a prozy?
[12:05] <cnf> proxy
[12:05] <Neepu> the deployment stage, juju bootstrapper
[12:05] <cnf> so for the juju command to connect to the cloud provider?
[12:06] <Neepu> I was assuming the IP was external, but it might be locally
[12:06] <Neepu> but i think my HW is capable of virtualization hmm
[12:06] <cnf> Neepu: because juju bootstrap --config http-proxy supplies proxy settings to the controller
[12:06] <cnf> NOT to your juju command
[12:06] <Neepu> i ended up using conjure-up --http-proxy
[12:07] <cnf> so you need export http-proxy="http://proxyip:port"; juju bootstrap...
[12:15] <Neepu> https://pastebin.com/DvYnkZHR
[12:15] <Neepu> does this make any sense, for anyone?
[13:29] <Neepu> Hi. Can anyone please help me setup conjure-up openstack? I'm having trouble connecting to my juju controller. It's stuck connecting.
[13:30] <stokachu> Neepu: what does `conjure-up.lxc list` show
[13:30] <Neepu> nothing, my .cache/conjure-up/conjure-up.log says this:
[13:30] <Neepu> connecting to LXD remote "remote": "<IP_ADDRESS>:41641"', 'ERROR Get https://<IP_ADDRESS>:41641/1.0: Service Unavailable', '15:29:04 DEBUG cmd supercommand.go:459 error stack: ', 'Get https://<IP_ADDRESS>:41641/1.0: Service Unavailable', 'github.com/juju/juju/tools/lxdclient/client.go:278:
[13:31] <stokachu> Neepu: so you dont have any containers running, meaning your controller is not available, can you `rm -rf ~/.local/share/juju`
[13:31] <stokachu> and retry conjure-up openstack
[13:33] <Neepu> again.. stuck connecting to LXD remote "remote": "<IP_ADDRESS>:41641" :(. I'm running behind a proxy, but i assume that doesn't matter given that the IP is the container IP (on a All-in-one setup)
[13:35] <Neepu> https://pastebin.com/x6mmUqj1
[13:36] <stokachu> Neepu: i added some more lxd fixes in edge, can you do `sudo snap refresh conjure-up --edge`, and then re-try?
[13:38] <Neepu> will do sec
[13:40] <Neepu> same error
[13:42] <Neepu> I'm running this inside a virtual server, would that make any difference?
[13:43] <stokachu> Neepu: shouldnt, whats the output of `conjure-up.lxc config show`; `conjure-up.lxc network list`; `ip addr`
[13:44] <Neepu> https://pastebin.com/4iw2aBwn
[13:44] <stokachu> ok that all looks fine
[13:45] <stokachu> Neepu: what about just running `conjure-up.lxc launch ubuntu:16.04 test1`
[13:46] <Neepu> error: Get https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/streams/v1/index.json: lookup cloud-images.ubuntu.com on <IP_ADDRESS>:53: read udp <IP_ADDRESS>:55334-><IP_ADDRESS>:53: read: connection refused
[13:46] <stokachu> ok
[13:47] <stokachu> export HTTP_PROXY=http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80; export HTTPS_PROXY=http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80; export http_proxy=http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80; export https_proxy=http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80
[13:47] <stokachu> Neepu: ^
[13:48] <Neepu> mi missing HTTPS_PROXY
[13:48] <Neepu> im* might be it.. :-p
[13:49] <stokachu> Neepu: that worked?
[13:49] <Neepu> going to reboot and see whether that helps. if it does, your help is very appreciated
[13:49] <stokachu> ok
[13:50] <Neepu> written the vars to my /etc/enviroment
[13:50] <stokachu> ok cool
[13:53] <Neepu> https://pastebin.com/ydCv6nVY
[13:55] <Neepu> no effect :(
[13:56] <Neepu> but given that i get errors at even this, i assume my proxy is at fault?
[14:07] <stokachu> Neepu: yea it's some sort of proxy error
[14:07] <stokachu> Neepu: not specifically a lxd/conjure-up/juju error
[14:16] <Neepu> hmm
[14:16] <Neepu> dns requests works fine when using curl -v etc
[14:16] <Neepu> but conjure-up doesn't
[14:16] <Neepu> regardless of proxy settings set
[14:16] <stokachu> well neither does lxc
[14:16] <Neepu> aye
[14:17] <Neepu> just tried lxc config set core.proxy_http http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:12] <cnf> how do i use juju to replace a broken machine? o,O
[15:25] <triccardisystran> kjackal: ping regarding https://github.com/juju-solutions/bundle-canonical-kubernetes/issues/286
[15:58] <cory_fu> stub, stokachu, tvansteenburgh: https://code.launchpad.net/~johnsca/juju-wait/+git/juju-wait/+merge/327122
[16:35] <kjackal> thank you  triccardisystran you will hear from us soon


[00:02] <jonnich> every time I think I understand a little more about ubuntu/linux in general...something opens up and I feel like I know nothing
[00:03]  * _marx_ chuckles
[00:03] <_marx_> that's "a good thing"
[00:03] <_marx_> yesterday was the first time I'd tried ubuntuone
[00:04] <dobey> haha
[00:04] <dobey> sounds like every other day for me :)
[00:04] <jonnich> I just tried it today, but it doesnt work for me
[00:04] <jonnich> sounded like a cool idea
[00:04] <_marx_> jonnich: "apt-cache show screen"
[00:05] <_marx_> screen is like a window manager for terminal apps
[00:05] <_marx_> which is a lame description...
[00:06] <jonnich> how would I use that with irssi?
[00:06] <jonnich> I can look at the website...
[00:06] <jonnich> I'm using xchat at the moment
[00:07] <_marx_> xchat is my fav of the gui clients
[00:08] <_marx_> empathy and pidgin don't cut it to me
[00:09] <jonnich> empathy doesnt seem that great to me and its now the standard for karmic
[00:09] <jonnich> I could be missing something tho
[00:09] <_marx_> gtalk video chat works in empathy
[00:13] <dobey> empathy might be ok if i could use it
[00:13] <_marx_> why can't you use it?
[00:17] <dobey> well when i tried the other day, it crashed
[00:17] <dobey> and kept crashing
[00:18] <dobey> and it didn't seem to  combine buddies correctly
[00:18] <dobey> and i don
[00:18] <dobey> err
[00:18] <dobey> i don't have time to deal with it
[00:19] <jonnich> pidgin seems to have more features...
[00:19] <dobey> heh
[00:20] <dobey> pidgin-facebookchat in karmic broke the world for me too
[00:20]  * _marx_ has had empathy crash but not repeatedly
[00:20] <dobey> i still haven't gone and cleaned up that mess yet
[00:20] <dobey> _marx_: it was having a probleme with one of my msn accounts
[00:20] <dobey> and it just kept crashing for the same thing
[00:21] <_marx_> ah dobey someone, can't recall who, in nc loco team was working on msn for empathy
[00:23] <dobey> perhaps
[00:23] <dobey> don't know
[00:23] <dobey> don't have time to mess with it :)
[00:24] <_marx_> roger that
[00:24]  * _marx_ wanders away to pay attention to wife
[00:24] <_marx_> she has a job interview tomorrow
[00:27] <jonnich> how does that status thingy work?
[00:28] <dobey> how do you mean?
[00:28] <jonnich> when marx said "wanders away to pay attention to wife"
[00:28] <jonnich> it wasnt displayed as a regular message
[00:28] <jonnich> but more like a status
[00:30] <lamalex> /me
[00:30] <dobey> oh no that was an action
[00:30] <lamalex> jonnich: ^
[00:30]  * jonnich oh ok
[00:30] <lamalex> or /action
[00:30] <jonnich> thanks
[00:31] <jonnich> guess I'm just the from the generation stuck on "status" messages
[00:34] <_marx_> jonnich: you do "/me some text" universal on all irc clients
[00:34] <jonnich> _marx_, thankyou
[00:39] <_marx_> jonnich: np, pass it on, little things like that are what makes linux strong(er)
[00:45] <dobey> using /away is more like a'status' message
[00:45] <jonnich> sdkjsd
[05:18] <Bloxxy> Hi; when I installed the client just now, it said that when I launch it, it should open a page going to the window to setup a computer; it did not. It just launched the client, and now I have no idea how to fix it
[08:00] <fixxxer_> Hi
[08:00] <fixxxer_> I am a tester for Ubuntu one
[08:00] <fixxxer_> I am having some issue
[08:00] <fixxxer_> Is someone here?
[08:01] <fixxxer_> Helloooo!!!
[08:01] <fixxxer_> someone here?
[08:02] <fixxxer_> I am not able to add a new computer to my account
[08:02] <fixxxer_> I just installed ubuntuone on another computer. The initial one was installed on my laptop.
[08:03] <fixxxer_> it doesnot show me an option "Add Computer"
[08:03] <fixxxer_> even when I click on the client in the notification area
[08:03] <fixxxer_> I have tried to restart the computer as well
[08:03] <fixxxer_> is anyone here? its awfully quiet here
[08:06] <fixxxer_>  Hi
[08:09] <fixxxer_>  I am a tester for Ubuntu one
[08:09] <fixxxer_>  I am having some issue
[08:09] <fixxxer_>  Is someone here?
[08:11] <fixxxer_> I am not able to add a new computer to my account
[08:11] <fixxxer_>  I just installed ubuntuone on another computer. The initial one was installed on my laptop.
[08:11] <fixxxer_>  it doesnot show me an option "Add Computer"
[08:11] <fixxxer_>  even when I click on the client in the notification area
[08:11] <fixxxer_>  I have tried to restart the computer as well
[08:16] <fixxxer_> :(
[08:16] <JanC> fixxxer_: stay around for some time, people will read your questions later
[08:16] <JanC> duh
[12:41] <ziroday> Hi! When starting U1 for the first time no web page opens up offering to Add the computer to my account. I'm running Jaunty and I've set my default browser to firefox-3.5, any ideas why this is happening?
[12:42] <ziroday> That and when running ubuntuone-client-applet I get http://pastebin.com/m45e792f4
[12:45] <aquarius> thisfred, hey
[12:45] <aquarius> where did you and CardinalFang get to last night?
[12:46] <thisfred> aquarius: the eagle has landed
[12:46] <thisfred> aquarius: 0.4 is merged and working, with the bits that I needed split out for the server split out
[12:47] <aquarius> man, you guys rock.
[12:47] <aquarius> so 0.4 is ready for packaging?
[12:47] <aquarius> is there anything that's (a) not in 0.4 and (b) needed for karmic?
[12:47] <thisfred> aquarius: mostly the Cardinal, I would say :)
[12:47] <aquarius> (does 0.4 have the turn-on-oauth-all-the-time thing in?)
[12:48] <thisfred> aquarius: that I'm not sure of, CardinalFang?
[12:48] <thisfred> I think we have almost if not complete feature completeness
[12:49] <thisfred> aquarius: I have a branch which does authentication on the cloud, which was surprisingly easy (after stealing your code wholesale)
[12:49] <thisfred> now I have to make API to add users there
[12:49] <aquarius> it ought to be easy. If it ain't easy we're Doing It Wrong
[12:49] <aquarius> adding users might be harder :P
[12:49] <thisfred> which is a little bit tricky, but should be doable tdoay
[12:49] <aquarius> are you adding users to .ini or to the _users db?
[12:49] <thisfred> aquarius: to the _user db, and then
[12:50] <thisfred> you can PUT values directly into the ini over http
[12:50] <thisfred> so that takes care of the credentials
[12:50] <aquarius> superb
[12:51] <thisfred> And I think I can just reuse the OAuthCapableRequest stuff for that
[12:51] <aquarius> hope so; that'd why I built it that way!
[12:51] <thisfred> which is why we love you so much :)
[12:58] <aquarius> well, hopefully the FangMeister can give us an update once it's some sort of sane time there :)
[13:22] <aquarius> thisfred, did you see that the couch team are freezing and releasing 0.10? is everything we need in it now? I think it is
[13:25] <thisfred> aquarius: yeah, no known snafus
[13:25] <aquarius> win
[13:25] <thisfred> aquarius: per db auth will be in 0.11 obviously, but that's server
[13:25] <aquarius> *nod*
[13:25] <thisfred> also, all_docs_by_seq is going away, maybe as early as 0.11
[13:25] <thisfred> but we don't use it in desktopcouch
[13:30] <aquarius> *nod* I saw that one
[13:46] <aquarius> dobey, ping?
[13:46] <marjolein> Hi, just joined ubuntu one and
[13:46] <marjolein> I am having trouble getting my computer registered.
[13:47] <marjolein> I end up with the following python error: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'key'
[13:48] <marjolein> Full error: http://pastebin.com/m6a582942
[14:11] <urbanape> morning, folks.
[14:12] <urbanape> Anyone have a clue as to why I can see my bookmarks in the display view, but when I click on an individual item, I get "The document could not be retrieved: missing"
[14:12] <urbanape> If I open up the actual bookmarks.couch file, I can even see the contents (among all the binary soup)
[14:13] <aquarius> erm
[14:14] <aquarius> you've tried refreshing a few times, I imagine?
[14:14] <urbanape> I have
[14:14] <urbanape> the overview shows I have 16 records in that database, which is correct, 15 bookmarks and the view.
[14:14] <urbanape> totaling 64KB
[14:15] <marjolein> Could anyone help me with the following bug? ubuntu one doesn't even work: http://pastebin.com/m6a582942
[14:32] <dobey> aquarius: pang
[14:32] <aquarius> dobey, ah, no worries, I was goig to ask how I actually test the oauthdesktop stuff so I can fix the UnknownLoginError, but I think I've worked it out now
[14:33] <dobey> ah ok
[14:33] <dobey> marjolein: what version of the ubuntuone-client package do you have?
[14:47] <marjolein> dobey: 0.94 r203
[14:53] <dobey> marjolein: ok. there will be a new version in the PPA shortly which should work. that version doesn't support OAuth 1.0a which is deployed on the server now, and would result in a failure like you're seeing. oauth-login.log should have more info about your specific failure
[14:54] <marjolein> dobey: Is there an ETA on shortly? (Is it hours or days?)
[14:54] <CardinalFang> aquarius, yes, oauth on.  I need testing for the packages.
[14:55] <dobey> marjolein: today.
[14:55] <dobey> so hours
[14:56] <marjolein> ok perfect!
[14:56] <marjolein> Keep the good work coming!
[14:57] <rodrigo_> jcastro: around?
[14:57] <dobey> thanks
[15:00] <jcastro> rodrigo_: yessir
[15:02] <vds> MEETING BEGINS say "me" to get us started!
[15:02] <teknico> me
[15:02] <vds> me
[15:02] <rodrigo_> jcastro: the other day a guy came home to fix my washing machine, and we talked about ubuntu (he's an ubuntu user). so the other day he came again, and he told me some of his ubuntu friends wanted to create a local community here (in Navarra, a region in Spain), so what should I do?
[15:02] <CardinalFang> me
[15:02] <aquarius> me
[15:02] <rodrigo_> jcastro: oh, meeting now, let's talk after it
[15:02] <rodrigo_> me
[15:02] <jblount_> me
[15:03] <dobey> me
[15:04] <teknico> let's go
[15:04] <teknico> DONE: implemented editing contacts (#406315), talked with markgsaye about the contacts schema and handling
[15:04] <teknico> TODO: fix bugs, add tests and docs for adding/editing contacts (#406315), improving the contacts web ui with jblount (#399664)
[15:04] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:04] <teknico> next: vds
[15:05] <vds> DONE:still working on the branch to fix #416050  #418061 and #428029
[15:05] <vds> TODO: finish the mentioned branch, investigate problem with multiple email address
[15:05] <vds> BLOCKED: no
[15:05] <vds> CardinalFang all yours
[15:05] <CardinalFang> DONE: Wrung hands until desktopcouch auth worked.  Prepared 0.4 release.  Made packages.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> TODO: Test packages; installing virtual env now.  Get upload to Ubuntu ready.  Talk someone into making desktopcouch-tools default in Karmic.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> The Rock Star, aquarius.
[15:05] <aquarius> ⚀ DONE:  get dc-records-oauth tested and merged into trunk (bug #415375); work out why oauth wasn't working and fix it; turn on oauth for desktopcouch by default (bug #416413)
[15:05] <aquarius> ⚁ TODO:  fix UnknownLoginError and make it be known (bug #376087); test android phone sync
[15:05] <aquarius> ⚂ BLOCKED:
[15:05] <aquarius> ⚃ BUG COUNT:https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~sil/+assignedbugs?field.tag=ubuntuone-karmic - 2
[15:05] <aquarius> rodrigo_ in da haaaaaaause
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • DONE: Vacation. Dealt with huge amount of unread mail. Tomboy <-> one.u.c syncing. Discussed events/tasks record format on dc mailing list
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Start upstream discussion for adding social services accounts config to about-me. Talk to Ara about writing mago tests for evo-couchdb. Propose couchdb-glib/evo-couchdb for GNOME 2.29. Store UUIDs for postal addresses. Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). openSUSE/Fedora packaging with aquarius. More tomboy syncing fixes. Notes web UI
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:05] <rodrigo_> jblount go!
[15:06] <jblount> DONE: Fixed dev, landed tabs in pqm, chat with teknico and SteveA about contacts web ui
[15:06] <jblount> TODO: Do work! I need to do another branch that moves the rest of the nav to the tabs, work more on bug #402837
[15:06] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nope
[15:06] <jblount> dobey: tag
[15:06] <dobey> ☺ DONE: Fixed #397005, Successful rollout, 0.95.0 released/proposed
[15:06] <dobey> ☹ TODO: Expense receipts, Schedule time off, #374890, #375066, #376787 BLCK: None.
[15:06] <dobey> hrmm
[15:06] <dobey> bad irssi
[15:07] <teknico> urbanape?
[15:09] <dobey> did he say me?
[15:09] <teknico> no, he didn't
[15:09] <jblount> Yeah, I'm not certain he's around.
[15:10] <teknico> vds, close this?
[15:10] <vds> EOM
[15:10] <vds> thank you all!
[15:10] <rodrigo_> jcastro: so, what should I do then? Get in contact with the .es loco?
[15:10] <teknico> jblount, ok, you can now stop pretending not to look at my TODO ;-)
[15:11] <urbanape> me
[15:11] <urbanape> woops
[15:11] <vds> urbanape: np, just go :)
[15:12] <urbanape> DONE: Checked in and pushed a branch that fixes bug #404193, bug #408282, bug #406839, and bug #396186.
[15:12] <urbanape> TODO: Figure out why I can't access individual records in Couch.
[15:12] <urbanape> BLOCK: None, thank the maker.
[15:13] <urbanape> rmcbride, it's not quite ready for testing, I think, because I'm still getting weird Couch behavior after the records show up there.
[15:13] <urbanape> I don't know why, even though I can see the bookmarks in the display view, I can't access them individually.
[15:13] <rmcbride> hmm
[15:15] <jcastro> rodrigo_: yeah, there's a list, one sec
[15:15] <jcastro> rodrigo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpanishTeam
[15:15] <rodrigo_> cool thanks
[15:16] <jcastro> rodrigo_: and you might want to encourage them to start with a global jam: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[15:16] <jcastro> rodrigo_: that would get them a bunch of experience working with everyone in ubuntu already and it's very low-barrier
[15:17] <rodrigo_> jcastro: great
[15:17] <urbanape> restarting my desktopcouch doesn't seem to alleviate the problem, either.
[15:40] <urbanape> blowing away the couch database and re-starting FF to prime the bookmarks db does the same thing.
[15:45] <marjolein> by the way did I just read that you guys are working on an Android client or something?
[15:47]  * urbanape stabs the Firefox error console. Stab stab stab stab.
[15:51]  * dobey is feeling stabby too
[15:51] <urbanape> hmm, manually creating a new record in Couch seems to have jiggled things into a state where I can visit the different bookmarks, now.
[15:53] <lucio_> inheritance is overrated
[15:58] <urbanape> nevertheless, still waiting for that rich uncle to kick the bucket.
[16:07] <urbanape> grumble grumble
[16:13] <dobey> heh
[16:27] <orpras> I am getting an error I would like help with, it is regarding ubuntuone, do I post it here?
[16:35] <dobey> orpras: you may sure
[16:47] <aquarius> I'm off, because I need to tidy my house ready for it being valued tomorrow for sale...
[16:47] <aquarius> ttfn, all
[17:10] <thisfred> CardinalFang: I have a new and approved branch of dc. It's a minimal fix, but my server branch depends on it.
[17:10] <thisfred> CardinalFang: also you're not in the other IRC channel anymore
[17:42] <kenvandine> statik, any status on splitting couchdb's initscript out?
[18:02] <CardinalFang> thisfred, is there something else to do in fix-create-contacts ?  0.4 has that disabled, yes?
[18:02] <CardinalFang> The test, I mean.
[18:04] <thisfred> CardinalFang: I'm not sure what you mean by todo: that fix is needed to make the server code work at all. I think we can reenable the test too, since it seems to work. I did not disable it myself in 0.4.
[18:04] <thisfred> server == cloud_server
[18:05] <thisfred> CardinalFang: ah I see, it was not disabled, but made to pass always
[18:05] <thisfred> I can make it work probably
[18:05] <CardinalFang> Yeah, line 63.
[18:07] <thisfred> CardinalFang: I just reenabled it, and it works now
[18:07] <thisfred> I had to fix the script anyway
[18:07] <CardinalFang> thisfred, wonderful.  Thank you.
[18:07] <urbanape> rmcbride, you aboot?
[18:07] <thisfred> CardinalFang: pushing
[18:08] <rmcbride> urbanape: yea
[18:08] <urbanape> I just pushed lp:~urbanape/bindwood/complete-sync and I believe it's in a good state for testing.
[18:08] <rmcbride> urbanape: cool. I'll have a look
[18:11] <urbanape> Hmm, dangit. I was just about to say I'd tried most of the interactions, but one at least still gives me trouble (creating a new bookmark from scratch -> "New Bookmark")
[18:11] <urbanape> but I've tried other stuff: Bookmark this Page, creating new documents in Couch, updating bookmarks in Firefox, updating records in Couch, deleting bookmarks in Firefox, marking documents as deleted in Couch.
[18:13] <urbanape> ah, I see why.
[18:13] <urbanape> bleah. A maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
[18:15]  * CardinalFang sometimes types "thijsfred" and has to fix it.
[18:16] <CardinalFang> thisfred, I don't see your push yet.  I'll land it as soon as it shows up.
[18:17] <thisfred> CardinalFang: that's because I forgot to save and committed and pushed nothing... Good news is that when I saved, the tests *did* actually pass ;)
[18:17] <thisfred> pushed for realz now
[18:18] <CardinalFang> Woot.
[18:35] <urbanape> rmcbride, fixed it and pushed a new revision to the same url.
[18:35] <urbanape> *whew*
[18:35] <rmcbride> urbanape: cool. Pulling/rebuilding
[18:36] <rmcbride> urbanape: any tips on how to use? It always seems to install fine but I never know what to do after. Just install on two machines on my account and see if the book marks sync?
[18:38] <CardinalFang> thisfred, you needed a commit message in your merge proposal, which becomes the commit message when tarmac merges&commits your branch.  I added one.
[18:38] <CardinalFang> rodrigo_, ^  you should add one to  notes-record-type .
[18:38] <thisfred> CardinalFang: oh yes, I keep forgetting that,sry
[18:38] <thisfred> and thanks
[18:39] <thisfred> it should just take the latest commit message on the branch. Then it would always read "oops forgot to bzr add" or something similar for me ;)
[19:08] <urbanape> rmcbride, sorry, stepped away for a sec
[19:09] <urbanape> yeah, if you want to see lots and lots of debugging info on javascript error console, you can start firefox from the command line with: $ BINDWOOD_DEBUG=1 firefox &
[19:09] <urbanape> it looks for that environment variable to determine whether or not to spew out stuff.
[19:09] <urbanape> Now, I don't think desktopcouch is syncing with the Cloud, yet, so you'd need to manually get the two machines' desktop couch instances to replicate to one another.
[19:10] <urbanape> the way I've tried this before is:
[19:10] <urbanape> set it all up on one machine first to see that it's working.
[19:10] <urbanape> on the second machine, trash all my FF bookmarks and get the Couch there to replicate from the first one.
[19:10] <urbanape> that will seed it with all the bookmarks.
[19:11] <toros> hi
[19:11] <urbanape> Then, Bindwood will be pulling from that Couch (assuming it all got set up properly there, too)
[19:11] <urbanape> and you should see all your bookmarks come back to life.
[19:11] <urbanape> (albeit in probably a different order)
[19:11] <urbanape> that's still to come.
[19:13] <urbanape> hi, toros
[19:13] <toros> just a quick question: will ubuntu one compatible with xubuntu?
[19:14] <toros> I've just tried installing ubuntu one on xubuntu, but it doesn't seem to work at the moment
[19:16] <urbanape> Our hope is that it will be compatible with any of the various *buntu and derivatives.
[19:17] <joshuahoover> toros: i've had it working on xubuntu but we don't officially support xubuntu
[19:17] <toros> joshuahoover: ohhh... what's the trick? ;)
[19:18] <joshuahoover> toros: i haven't tested it recently...let me update my test install here and see how it goes...i'll post here once i have some news for you
[19:18] <toros> thank you
[19:21] <joshuahoover> toros: taking a little bit...getting all the latest updates :)
[19:26] <urbanape> rmcbride, I've got to run a little errand. I should be back in an hour or so
[19:26] <rmcbride> urbanape: OK
[19:26] <urbanape> well, maybe a bit more.
[19:26] <urbanape> in fact, actually, I'll take my lappy with.
[19:28] <joshuahoover> toros: ok, i have all the latest xubuntu 9.04 updates and the latest ubuntu one client...rebooted and copied a file into on of my ~/Ubuntu One folders...i got a notification the file was updating and then another to tell me all files were updated....so far, it looks like things are working
[19:29] <toros> joshuahoover: maybe I'm just stuck with adding my computer...
[19:29] <dobey> everyone is stuck adding their computer right now
[19:29] <toros> ohhh
[19:29] <joshuahoover> toros: yeah, dobey is right...sorry, i thought you were past that point
[19:29] <dobey> if you already have a valid access token though, it should work ok
[19:30] <joshuahoover> toros: so you never were prompted to add your computer before?
[19:30] <dobey> and fixes for the "adding my computer" problems will be available very soon
[19:30] <toros> joshuahoover: no, it's a new xubuntu installation
[19:31] <toros> and it's not very important, I'm just testing Xubuntu Karmic
[19:32] <joshuahoover> toros: i see...well, unfortunately, you're going to have to wait for us to get the fix out before you'll be able to get past that point...but it should work ok for you, though i haven't tested with xubuntu 9.10 so far
[19:33] <toros> joshuahoover: okay, no problem. It's just one of my test virtual system and I was just curious... :)
[20:06] <willytax> hey...need help, can someone help me?
[20:07] <willytax> I failed to register my pc the first time (when the browser page pops up)
[20:07] <willytax> and now I can't get that page again!
[20:13] <joshuahoover> hi willytax
[20:14] <joshuahoover> willytax: we're actually in the process of getting a fix out right now
[20:14] <willytax> a fix for this problem?
[20:14] <joshuahoover> willytax: yes
[20:15] <willytax> ok, so guess I've to wait
[20:15] <willytax> thanks!
[20:15] <joshuahoover> willytax: the issue you're having is affecting everyone needing to finish the install process...my apologies for the hassles
[20:17] <dobey> yeah, sorry 'bout that
[20:17] <willytax> and There isn't a way to get the page again? (i.e. delete some config files etc..) I tried to find some config file in my home dir, but nothig
[20:17] <dobey> willytax: no, it's a software problem :)
[20:18] <willytax> Ok
[20:18] <dobey> willytax: update will be available soon to fix the problem though
[20:18] <willytax> thanks for the answer anyway!
[20:19] <willytax> ok, I'll wait for the update, thanks!
[20:19] <willytax> bye bye
[21:15] <urbanape> rmcbride, back. Did you have a chance to try it out?
[21:16] <rmcbride> urbanape: I did indeed. I had several interesting errors, however now that I look at the console they've scrolled out of history and I'll have to recreate them
[21:17] <rmcbride> urbanape: I'm testing the updated client package right now on teh other machine, so I'll try to keep which machine is doing what straight :)
[21:17] <rmcbride> Bindwood: Problem saving updated bookmark to Couch:  message: 'Bindwood.couch is undefined', reason: 'undefined', description: 'undefined', error: 'undefined'
[21:17] <rmcbride> urbanape: mostly ending in messages like this ^
[21:18] <urbanape> erm?
[21:18] <urbanape> weird.
[21:18] <urbanape> looking
[21:20] <urbanape> So, that happens when a bookmark changes, and is trying to propagate it back to Couch.
[21:20] <rmcbride> Looks like, yea
[21:20] <urbanape> I've updated the code so that there's one shared CouchDB instance
[21:20] <urbanape> (Bindwood.couch)
[21:20] <urbanape> why it would be undefined at that point, I can't say.
[21:20] <rmcbride> hmm
[21:21] <urbanape> I've been trying to unearth an old firefox extension that writes the JS Error log out to an actual file.
[21:21] <urbanape> Frankly, I want to kick Firefox' Error console in the teeth.
[22:11] <urbanape_> rmcbride, other than those, did it seem to work properly?
[22:16] <rmcbride> urbanape: those were the only types of issues I saw yes
[22:19] <urbanape_> rmcbride, k. I'm going to go ahead and propose the branch
[22:19] <urbanape_> I'd like for aquarius to take a look, but he's long gone by now.
[22:19] <rmcbride> urbanape_: sounds good
[22:20] <rmcbride> urbanape_: I'm pretty much EOD now. Broken PPA Buildd's == no updated client release today
[22:20] <urbanape_> yup
[22:20] <urbanape_> I'll see about setting up another instance locally and try to get them to talk to each other.
[22:20] <urbanape_> should be fun
[22:21] <rmcbride> Indeed. If I wasn't working on testing the client so much today I'd have worked a bit more on that scenario. I think I understand what I saw in the logs in context of how things are goign to work though
[22:22] <urbanape> I'd like to know how your Bindwood.couch got set to undefined.
[22:22] <urbanape> I don't see how that happens in the code.
[22:22] <urbanape> I also hate that you can't select multiple lines in the Firefox error console.
[22:22] <urbanape> makes it about useless to share logs.
[22:25] <rmcbride> yea


[19:34] <lwizardl> hello
[19:34] <lwizardl> anyone around ?
[20:03] <rhpot1991> !ask
[20:03] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.


[00:29] <celesteh> I seem to be having some odd kind of networking issue.  I can do IRC and some chat protocols and I can traceroute to, say, yahoo.com with no trouble, but I can't seem to load a web page.
[08:05] <diplo> Morning all
[08:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning.
[08:08] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer: I thought you guys had already employed someone for a job with you, or is this another one on top of that now ?
[08:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: We did, but unfortunately it didn't work out.
[08:13] <kvarley> Where is the recommended location to install user apps to?
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> kvarley: Is it just for you, or shared between other users?
[08:14] <kvarley> TheOpenSourcerer: Doesn't matter
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Well it does.
[08:14] <kvarley> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm the only user account on the machine
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just for you, stick it your own ~/bin
[08:14] <kvarley> Where would the location be for multiple users?
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> to be shared I generally stick them under /opt
[08:14] <kvarley> Ok :)
[08:15] <kvarley> What is ~/.local/share/ for?
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> /usr/local is another common location
[08:15] <kvarley> I have no write access to /usr so I'll stick it in ~/bin. Thanks TheOpenSourcerer
[08:15] <diplo> :( TheOpenSourcerer
[08:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> kvarley: This might be useful: https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/en/LSB
[08:16]  * kvarley HATES opera
[08:16] <kvarley> It sets itself at the default browser when you install it
[08:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: yes.
[08:17] <kvarley> How can I stop Opera being the default browser?
[08:18] <kvarley> I'm running XFCE on Ubuntu Mini
[08:19] <dogmatic69> kvarley: what do you want as the default?
[08:19] <kvarley> dogmatic69: Firefox
[08:19] <dogmatic69> open ff, settings, set as default
[08:19] <kvarley> I have several browsers installed because I'm a web developer. Every time I install opera on a new install of linux it takes over - so annoying
[08:20] <dogmatic69> edit -> preferences ->advanced
[08:20] <dogmatic69> there is a check there.
[08:21] <kvarley> dogmatic69: Makes no difference
[08:22] <diplo> Settings > Default Applications ?
[08:22] <kvarley> dogmatic69: It sets itself in the gnome-www-browser variable which overrides it
[08:23] <kvarley> Fixed
[08:23] <kvarley> If anybody else has the same issue - http://askubuntu.com/questions/116080/thunderbird-uses-the-wrong-browser
[08:51] <knightwise> hey everyone
[08:53] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:36] <JamesTait> Happy World Theatre Day, everyone! :-D
[09:41] <AlanBell> http://www.dabs.com/products/techair-15-6--grey-orange-envelope-case--check-bundles-for-free-retractable-mouse--8HW7.html?utm_source=retention%20email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email260313&utm_content=i800
[09:41] <AlanBell> special ubuntu colours \o/
[09:48] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:53] <bigcalm> That mouse looks horrible
[09:53] <AlanBell> what mouse?
[09:54] <AlanBell> oh, that one
[09:54] <bigcalm> http://www.dabs.com/products/techair-mini-notebook-mouse-7M68.html?prev=8HW7
[09:56] <popey> it looks free
[10:02] <bigcalm> This ps2 to USB adapter isn't sending | or \. Looks like I'm going back to the Alienware kb that came with the machine :S
[10:04] <bigcalm> Ah well, Hayley will be pleased
[10:12] <DJones> How stable is 13.04 now, with beta freeze due tomorrow, I'm debating whether to upgrade and help test for the last month, no unusual hardware on the laptop, i3 using built in intel graphics
[10:15] <AlanBell> 13.04 has been stable all the way though the cycle, however I did lose my desktop background yesterday
[10:16] <bigcalm> Anybody finding gmail (not google apps) IMAP slow to respond the last couple of days?
[10:19] <DJones> AlanBell: Ah well, i'll give it a go
[10:19] <popey> bigcalm: what do you connect to gmail with?
[10:19] <bigcalm> popey: Thunderbird
[10:19] <popey> gosh
[10:19] <popey> why not use the web UI?
[10:20] <SuperMatt> why oh why is creating an email server so tricksy?
[10:20] <SuperMatt> All I want is a simple gui for setting it up
[10:20] <popey> email is hard, lets go shopping!
[10:20]  * AlanBell connects to gmail with thunderbird
[10:20] <popey> you probably want roundcubeemail or that one that starts with z I can never remember
[10:21] <bigcalm> popey: with several emails accounts, using a client keeps them all in one place
[10:21] <AlanBell> zentyal
[10:21] <SuperMatt> I do want roundcube, but I have to set up postfix and dovecot first ;)
[10:21] <popey> gotcha
[10:21] <AlanBell> did canonical ever do anything with zentyal?
[10:22] <bigcalm> Roudecube was nice, the last time I used it about 6 years ago
[10:22] <DJones> Hmmh, "Warning: Failed to read mirror file" after running do-release-upgrade -d & entering password
[10:23] <bigcalm> DJones: change your software sources to the main server?
[10:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: http://www.zentyal.com/news/zentyal-to-offer-a-linux-alternative-to-smb-it-infrastructure-with-support-from-canonical/
[10:24] <AlanBell> yeah, I meant beyond the joint press release
[10:24] <DJones> bigcalm: It is set to Main server
[10:24] <bigcalm> DJones: apt-get update before hand?
[10:24] <bigcalm> DJones: I'm grasping at straws here :)
[10:25] <DJones> Trying anyway
[10:26] <SuperMatt> hmmm... zentyal looks like what I need
[10:26] <DJones> seems to be running now
[10:31] <SuperMatt> dang, zentyal doesn't work with quantal :(
[10:37] <andylockran> hey all
[10:38] <andylockran> how goes things?
[10:38] <andylockran> Canonical's Landscape - could I use this to manage any ubuntu servers (eg, hosted on rackspace, bitfolk or other services)?
[10:43] <popey> yes
[10:56] <bigcalm> SNOW!
[10:58] <DJones> bigcalm: You seem surprised at snow
[10:59] <bigcalm> DJones: more disappointed than surprised
[11:01] <DJones> Heh
[11:01] <DJones> Its just stopped here, been snowing since I woke up, but not enough to stick
[11:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:07] <DJones> Upgrade failed, had to run sudo apt-get -f install to get it to continue
[11:11] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[11:16] <redtape-renegade> good morning folks.
[11:19] <xnox> Bon Jovi in Hyde Park tickets are £75              /0_0\
[11:19] <xnox> i guess they can....
[11:32] <davmor2> xnox that is cheap in comparison to some prices
[11:33] <bigcalm> 12 is small in comparison to some numbers
[11:33]  * bigcalm grins
[11:39]  * redtape-renegade looks at the real price of an X51 these days ::: | http://goo.gl/JQDTk = $1 K
[11:43] <diplo> xnox: Its why I've stopped going to there concerts
[11:43] <diplo> So yeah they can, but they're losing a fair few people, most of mates refuse to pay that much now
[11:44] <xnox> the tour is called "Because We can" as well....
[11:45] <BigRedS> heh
[11:47] <andylockran> playing with xslt for the first time in years ; what fun!
[11:49] <bigcalm> redtape-renegade: contact Dell directly, talk to a sales rep and you'll get a discount as they want to make a sale. My boss did just that and bought that machine for much less than £800 exVAT
[11:51] <bigcalm> redtape-renegade: consider that the case doesn't really allow for much in the way of upgrading. Though I was able to fit an extra SSD in an empty space
[11:58] <kvarley> popey: How long did it take for your Google order to dispatch?
[12:02] <redtape-renegade> bigcalm: Your right, .. your right, however ..
[12:03] <redtape-renegade> I would and have contacted Dell over some of it's more adaptable desktops which I have used in the past, for work (vostro etc) ..
[12:05] <redtape-renegade> However, the X51, is something that is slightly defective by design .. because of what you said .. Soo I was comparing the advert to the auction.com sites for who had , had enough and therefore was willing to get rid .. and what price that allowed for coming out of the same country. Namely the US.
[12:06]  * redtape-renegade makes a coffee before he brings out his cards, today.
[12:10] <redtape-renegade> bigcalm: Yeah, I don't think that I will go for a 'games-box' just yet as there are a lot of "Steam - boxes" coming out this year, and I hope my trip to the CES next year will find a good one :)
[12:11] <bigcalm> redtape-renegade: I'm happy with it for work and play: http://www.myrant.net/2013/02/17/multi-screen-with-ubuntu-unity/
[12:12] <bigcalm> But then, work was paying :)
[12:13] <redtape-renegade> After all it's not for ipython .. its for the Steam-pipe, or whatever comes down that shute.  I usually by a new Linux Box for the fact that it needs to be in the Ubuntu Friendly webpage.. but that only because I talk to it's co-organiser.
[12:13] <redtape-renegade> opening...
[12:14] <redtape-renegade> Is that yur site bigcalm ??
[12:14] <bigcalm> redtape-renegade: yes
[12:15] <redtape-renegade> it's very good.
[12:15] <bigcalm> Thanks
[12:15] <bigcalm> Theme isn't mine if that's what you were thinking
[12:15] <bigcalm> Content is though :)
[12:15] <redtape-renegade> how do you keep the hardware freecycle stuff conveyor belt .. as full as it is ?
[12:16] <bigcalm> redtape-renegade: that page is somewhat old. I haven't updated it for a long time. It's never gained any interest. Easier to just use freecycle on yahoo groups
[12:17] <redtape-renegade> yes i do have several a/c's there and have done the same .
[12:17] <redtape-renegade> although in America the prefered brand is yoohoo :D
[12:18] <redtape-renegade> Anyway, The point I wa trying to make was.. If , as it's looks for your blog, that you've put some time into this | May I propose that you get involved with these guys ::
[12:19] <redtape-renegade> wwwcentup.org .
[12:19] <redtape-renegade> www.centup.org
[12:19] <redtape-renegade> I have found them to be a bloggers dream.
[12:21] <bigcalm> redtape-renegade: I only blog about something when it comes to mind. Really I use it as a place to remember things I've done in the past
[12:22] <redtape-renegade> Even if it's just for 'your' amusement (the blog) .. I would say that if a potential high earner stumbles over your website / rant .. and thinks .. well I like the cut of this man's jib .. then . there may well be grounds to attain other 'interesting things' that you perhaps would like to show on your blog but would normal go for .. but things that others are intested in having etc ... Well this is your solution ..
[12:22]  * redtape-renegade notes he may have mentioned this idea before , dunno ?
[12:23] <Myrtti> "woops" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/27/gchq_plain_text_password_reminder/
[12:23] <redtape-renegade> #Anyhow  , just a thought.
[12:23] <bigcalm> redtape-renegade: thanks for the info
[12:24]  * redtape-renegade wonders what ever happened to "Web-Rings" animations that were all over linus sites as Links as a roulette wheel in th 90's ?
[12:24] <redtape-renegade> **Gnu/linux sites ..
[12:25] <aquarius> how do I know which model of HP Microserver I have? So I can know which hard drive I can put in it...
[12:25] <redtape-renegade> its snowing hard here ...
[12:27] <redtape-renegade> BTW .. London Transport are giving away freepost badges for ppl who may be pregnant and want a seat of comfort whilst travelling. I gues the badges work for Women with a Bump on any public transport . Let me know if you want the details . I got two .. and they sent those Outside The U.K. !!
[12:28] <redtape-renegade> .. they just arrived in the post !
[12:34] <redtape-renegade> .... anyway . That's my rant over |
[12:35] <redtape-renegade> bigcalm: I'll PM you ..
[12:36] <Lord-Readman> I am finding it really hard to try and get the cpu usage of mysqld via commandline so I can use it in a script
[12:36] <Lord-Readman> ps -eo pcpu,pid,user,args | sort -r -k1 | grep -i '/usr/libexec/mysqld' | awk '{print $1}'
[12:36] <Lord-Readman> this only prints the lifetime average, and along with the grep command of 0%
[12:36] <Lord-Readman> any ideas?
[12:36] <mungbean> mysqltop
[12:37] <redtape-renegade> bigcalm: Are you reading my P/Message ??
[12:38] <redtape-renegade> perhaps your too buzy .................... ?
[12:41] <redtape-renegade> Anyway here's the new ponycar on the block :: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/22/review_renault_zoe_bev_electric_car/page2.html
[12:42] <redtape-renegade> perhaps it's one for discussion .. as /that/ seems to be all everyone gets hot under the collar, about here.
[12:46] <DJones> Hmmh, no sound after update, speaker is set at nil & can't change, no devices showing in output for sound, but aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav plays sound
[12:48] <aquarius> ha! it is an N36L according to the HP website.
[12:48] <popey> kvarley: couple of days
[12:48]  * popey has an N36L
[12:48] <aquarius> OK, #ubuntu-uk, recommendations for 1TB or larger SATA 3.5" hard drives?
[12:48] <popey> they are all the same for hard drives
[12:48] <aquarius> popey, ya, mine was yours, remember? :)
[12:48] <popey> i have 4x2TB in mine
[12:48] <popey> oh yeah :D
[12:49] <aquarius> I have 1x1TB, and it's nearly full, so I need another drive.
[12:49] <popey> wondered where that went
[12:49] <aquarius> popey, you would think it would say "n36L" somewhere on it. Which it does not. And the HP website doesn't tell you either, even if you put the serial number in, unless you poke around extensively. Still, I know now, at least :)
[12:50] <aquarius> blimey, 2TB drives are only seventy quid now?
[12:50] <popey> 	Version: AMD Athlon(tm) II Neo N36L Dual-Core Processor
[12:50] <popey> from dmidecode ^^
[12:50] <popey> yeah madness isnt it
[12:50] <popey> someone somewhere may have said something about hard drive size limits on the N36L
[12:50] <popey> but I dont know who or where
[12:50] <popey> Google will know
[12:50] <aquarius> oh yeah dmidecode. I walked downstairs !
[12:51] <popey> retro
[12:52] <aquarius> aha http://n40l.wikia.com/wiki/Hard_drives sounds useful.
[12:53] <aquarius> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-Barracuda-inch-Internal-Drive/dp/B006H32Q3S/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1364388732&sr=1-2 looks like the thing. We like Seagate drives, right?
[12:53] <diplo> I've got seagates in mine
[12:53] <diplo> been up and running 2 years or more now and fine
[12:54] <diplo> need two more, ebuyer just sent an email for 2TB drives for £62.99
[12:54] <aquarius> er! unbrilliant amazon reviews on that drive.
[12:56] <aquarius> and the WD ones on that page are all Green at Amazon, which it says to not use
[12:56] <aquarius> hrm.
[12:57] <mgdm> the guy sitting opposite me has talked about having Red drives in his
[12:57] <mgdm> but he also talked about having to RMA one of them, so...
[12:57]  * popey scans what's in his microserver
[12:57] <BigRedS> We've had reasonable life out of Greens but no raid card likes them
[12:57] <BigRedS> they take forever to spin up and do something once they've been given an instruction
[12:58] <aquarius> maybe a http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hitachi-Deskstar-2000GB-Internal-Drive/dp/B004E9SGO0/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1364389056&sr=1-1 then.
[12:58] <popey> "Deathstar"
[12:58] <aquarius> I don;t know much about hitachis.
[12:59] <redtape-renegade> That's no Pale Moon... http://www.palemoon.org/palemoon-portable.shtml
[13:00] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5652203/  that's what's in my microserver
[13:00] <aquarius> aha, you have some samsung spinpoints. the wiki mentions those
[13:01] <popey> i do indeed
[13:01] <aquarius> 160 quid, mark you
[13:01] <aquarius> which is about twice what I want to pay :)
[13:03] <aquarius> looks like the hitachi for me!
[13:03] <aquarius> eleven quid delivery??
[13:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:07] <diplo> Actually I have the Hitachis aquarius
[13:07] <aquarius> diplo, ah, sweet. that's encouraging then
[13:07] <aquarius> I am getting over delivery being so outrageous, since the alternative is cheaper delivery and a more expensive drive, heh
[13:08] <diplo> Tried ebuyer?
[13:10] <SuperMatt> anyone know how to get postfix to process an alias before the final email address?
[13:10] <SuperMatt> or maybe disable the email account for a system account?
[13:11] <popey> SuperMatt: /etc/aliases
[13:12] <SuperMatt> yeah, but the problem is that it's sending the email to a system account with the same name as my alias
[13:12] <SuperMatt> unless
[13:13] <SuperMatt> maybe postfix hasn't imported my new aliases file?
[13:14] <SuperMatt> that was it :D
[13:15] <mgdm> SuperMatt: did you run 'newaliases'?
[13:17] <SuperMatt> I did not
[13:17] <SuperMatt> it's all done now :)
[13:20] <kvarley> popey:I ordered sunday night, still waiting for dispatch. I'm just used to amazon & ebuyer who dispatch immediately I guess
[13:20] <DJones> Has anybody had an issue on 13.04 where they can't get to software sources
[13:21] <kvarley> DJones: Does running "software-properties-gtk" in terminal give you any info?
[13:22] <DJones> kvarley: http://pastebin.com/Q9Sj3Dgn
[13:23] <popey> works here DJones
[13:24] <popey> try "sudo apt-get install --fix-policy" - anything missing?
[13:24] <DJones> Seems to fixing quite a few things
[13:31] <kvarley> OT: Anybody know where I can learn about Python for the web? Is Django the best way to go?
[13:32] <Myrtti> Django has unicorns.
[13:32] <Myrtti> so clearly it's the best way to go.
[13:32] <DJones> popey: Thats solved a couple of issues with the indicator applets, but can't get to Software & Updates from System Settings
[13:33] <kvarley> Myrtti: Hehe true. My concern is that the documentation seems poor. Aside from the first app tutorial, you're on your own. The book is outdated.
[13:34] <Myrtti> oh god, now the pink fluffy unicorns dancing on a rainbow started to play in my head
[13:34] <DJones> Starting software center also won't let me get to software sources
[13:35] <Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky3Ordfqn88 I'll get my revenge by getting it to play in yours too.
[13:35] <kvarley> Myrtti: hehe
[13:36] <DJones> selecting software sources in software centre (running from terminal) gives this error http://pastebin.com/28LdUUQj
[13:37] <bigcalm> Myrtti: that was horrible
[13:37] <redtape-renegade> Myrtti: Haha ..
[13:38] <redtape-renegade> .. and with 1800 likes to 82 'un-likes' .. it's a winner !
[13:41] <redtape-renegade> Woow .. Thy're really pushing the boundaries of StarwarS under the "Art2-D2's" on Amazon these days :D |  http://goo.gl/cH0Xj
[13:43] <redtape-renegade> Myrtti: I click and subscribed to the 'unicorn' channel .. only to find a more annoying one .. on Spot.fx |  http://goo.gl/ys7QS
[14:01] <DJones> Problem solved, opened synaptic, and ran "Mark all upgrades" and the "Apply" appears to solved it anyway, the upgrade did fail part way through originally
[15:17] <mungbean> anyone know how to troubleshoot suspend problems?
[15:17] <mungbean> consistently fails
[15:24] <popey> mungbean: suspend fails or wake does?
[15:27] <mungbean> popey: i think i've seenboth, certainly justearlier, tried to suspend and the stopping xXXX service messages were on screen but couldn't ctrl-alt-f1 etc
[15:28] <mungbean> usually have to power off
[15:28] <awilkins> Is there a web app or piece of javascript that will play back shell sessions?
[15:28] <awilkins> Like a video, but without the hideous overage of bandwidth?
[15:31]  * awilkins finds bsdutils script / replay commands
[15:48]  * awilkins has found the marvellous http://shelr.tv which fulfils his need to unleash shell sessions on the world
[15:49] <awilkins> sudo apt-get install shelr and off you go...
[15:49] <popey> mungbean: stock ubuntu?
[15:50] <SuperMatt> running my own email server \o/
[15:50] <SuperMatt> and I've donated to geary ;)
[15:50]  * popey signs up SuperMatt to various spamming services
[15:50] <SuperMatt> you wouldn't dare!
[15:51] <mgdm> SuperMatt: come across 'swaks' yet in your travels?
[15:51] <mgdm> probably a bit late, but it's nice for debugging
[15:51]  * awilkins signs SuperMatt up to various spam blocklists
[15:51] <SuperMatt> D:
[15:51] <SuperMatt> WHY U DO THIS?
[15:51] <SuperMatt> mgdm: swaks?
[15:52] <mgdm> SuperMatt: http://www.jetmore.org/john/code/swaks/
[15:52] <SuperMatt> I did not
[15:53] <mungbean> popey: sort of..stock ubuntu was installed, yes
[15:53] <mungbean> added a couple of DEs, and have encryped home i think
[15:53] <SuperMatt> mgdm: I think I'm going to step away from my configuration now
[15:53] <ali1234> there's little to no point trying to debug suspend problems unless you're willing to fix kernel drivers
[15:55] <SuperMatt> I do wish that setting up a mail server was a little bit easier. I understand the need for the bajillion options, but I don't understand why the default isn't "allow receiving from all, sending must be authenticated"
[15:56] <awilkins> Is the default "only stuff on this machine can send" though?
[15:57] <SuperMatt> it is, yes
[15:59] <mungbean> ali1234: it worked once
[16:00] <SuperMatt> ooh, looks like postgrey is easy to install
[16:00] <SuperMatt> I might have fun with that later
[16:17] <mungbean> X server just hung ,although can ssh in http://paste.ubuntu.com/5652673/
[16:36] <kvarley> Is it possible to manipulate the apps installed within the ISO image for Ubuntu?
[16:38] <awilkins> kvarley, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW676T1hpEA
[16:39] <kvarley> awilkins: Can that be manipulated via CLI too?
[16:39] <awilkins> I don't know
[16:39] <SuperMatt> ok, all I need now is to some how link my owncloud webdav contacts with roundcube
[16:45] <kvarley> popey: Am I allowed to make a site similar to SuseStudio but for Ubuntu? Would that cause any obvious copyright issues?
[16:59] <directhex> kvarley, yes, i do that for work, to make a custom iso
[16:59] <directhex> things like java & skype by default
[16:59] <directhex> no unity
[16:59] <kvarley> directhex: Thank you :)
[16:59] <kvarley> directhex: I'm considering launching a service themed around that topic
[17:01] <popey> there is a debian one already
[17:01] <popey> which might be a good base
[17:01] <kvarley> Oh and expect it to all be MIT licensed \0/
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> Debian One? Is that like Ubuntu One?
[17:01] <kvarley> Haha
[17:05] <shauno> SuperMatt: "receiving from all" is a difficult default, without specifying who you're receiving for.  if you just assume local users at any domain, you're going to get bombarded with spam quickly
[17:05] <SuperMatt> indeed
[17:06] <shauno> they're tricky business.  any default has to be a very defensive default
[17:16] <^aDaM-iPhone> lo all
[17:59] <sebsebseb> hi
[18:17] <davmor2> well that was one task that lasted far too long
[18:30] <czajkowski> peeka boo
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> howdy czajkowski
[19:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod!
[19:50] <madpup_uk> Hi all
[20:12] <SuperEngineer> Made I laugh!  http://theravingrick.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/time-killer-extrordinaire.html
[20:13] <mungbean> anyone got thoughts on this? http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/pass-a-perfect-shell-based-password-manager/
[20:14] <daubers> Anyone have any idea why my mouse pointer is really really not smooth when moving across the screen?
[20:15] <AlanBell> clean the ball? </retro>
[20:15] <daubers> It's optical :)
[20:23] <mungbean> woops forgot to upload my joulo data
[20:47] <czajkowski> davmor2: sup
[20:49] <SuperEngineer> daubers: clean the table?
[20:50] <AlanBell> or dirty the table, shiny surfaces are more of a problem
[20:50] <brobostigon>  /win 5
[20:52] <daubers> Nah, looks like a rendering issue
[20:53] <daubers> Get the same problem with a wacom tablet
[21:37] <StevenR_> hrm. How do I add the testing kernel suggested here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1160582
[21:42] <ali1234> StevenR_: download these
[21:42] <ali1234> linux-image-3.2.41-030241-generic_3.2.41-030241.201303201717_amd64.deb
[21:42] <ali1234> linux-headers-3.2.41-030241-generic_3.2.41-030241.201303201717_amd64.deb
[21:42] <ali1234> linux-image-extra-3.2.41-030241-virtual_3.2.41-030241.201303201717_amd64.deb
[21:43] <ali1234> install each one with sudo dpkg -i
[21:43] <ali1234> reboot and select the kernel at grub menu
[21:44] <ali1234> actually you probably dont need linux-image-extra
[21:50] <StevenR_> ali1234: seem to have a cyclic dependency
[21:50] <ali1234> well try installing them in a different order
[21:50] <StevenR_> nevermind. need linux-headers-3.2.41-030241_3.2.41-030241.201303201717_all.deb
[21:51] <ali1234> oh yeah, forgot that one sorry
[22:06] <MooDoo> evening all
[22:19] <redtape-renegade> Hi MooDoo
[22:19] <redtape-renegade> Hey Everybody o/
[22:19] <redtape-renegade> Had a bad day ?
[22:20] <redtape-renegade> Call Anthony .. http://www.anonymous.se/wp/?p=104
[22:20] <redtape-renegade> later..
[22:22] <redtape-renegade> #happy-times
[22:25] <StevenR_> ali1234: thanks. got them installed. Crashes after 1 min of uptime though :( (well, X11 does. ssh still works)
[23:03] <ali1234> anyone feel like giving me some armchair legal advice?
[23:03] <ali1234> i'm being asked to become a director of a LTD company
[23:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: I might end up needing to do that for my BTC business
[23:06] <Azelphur> be interested to know what you find out
[23:10] <popey> Evening all.
[23:14] <popey> ali1234: wassup?
[23:17] <ali1234> we're setting up a LTD for drum off... they want me to be a director
[23:17] <ali1234> and i'm worried about getting sued
[23:27] <AlanBell> what is drum off?
[23:27] <amayer> where is the "correct" place to install a program. i just compiled a program for the first time and would like it to be accessable to everyone one the system
[23:30] <AlanBell> ali1234: the point of a limited company is that your liability is limited to the share capital (unless limited by guarantee) so you are possibly better off having it to avoid personal liability
[23:31] <AlanBell> but as a director you have various responsibilities and if you screw up badly enough you could be barred from being a director for a while
[23:31] <ali1234> AlanBell: drumoff.tv <- explains it
[23:32] <AlanBell> who is involved with the company? how many people?
[23:32] <ali1234> me and two others are looking at being directors/shareholders
[23:32] <ali1234> i know these people very well and i'm not woried about them suing me
[23:34] <ali1234> but i'm worried about scenario: company gets sued, has no money -> insolvency, liquidators sue us for "wrongful trading"
[23:34] <AlanBell> if there is only a little bit of money involved then it is best to reduce that to zero, and have a way so that no money changes hands and no company is required
[23:34] <AlanBell> if there is a worthwhile amount of money then a limited company is the way to do it
[23:35] <ali1234> we need to pay musicians etc
[23:35] <ali1234> and we'll sell the recordings at the end
[23:35] <AlanBell> ltd company it is then
[23:37] <ali1234> yeah there's no question about needing the company
[23:37] <ali1234> the question is just do i want to be a director or not?
[23:37] <ali1234> i think on balance the answer is probably yes
[23:38] <AlanBell> yeah, probably
[23:39] <AlanBell> three £1 shares to start it?
[23:41] <^aDaM> lo
[23:41] <ali1234> hmm, why £1
[23:42] <ali1234> the current plan is 300 £1 shares
[23:42] <ali1234> because we've each put around £100 into setting everything up
[23:42] <AlanBell> that works too
[23:43] <ali1234> does it really matter how much the original shares are worth though?
[23:43] <ali1234> we're going to end up putting more money in later
[23:43] <AlanBell> just when you pay a dividend you pay it "per ordinary share"
[23:45] <AlanBell> you can loan the company money, and it can pay it back to you
[23:46] <AlanBell> rather than issuing more shares and buying them
[23:47] <ali1234> so liability is limited to "share capital" - if the company already spent all the share capital, that means there is no liability?
[23:47] <AlanBell> it is worth getting the accounting right for the initial shares though, some people mess that up
[23:47] <ali1234> or does it mean liability is always £100 each no matter what the company bank balance is?
[23:47] <AlanBell> erm, it means you stand to lose the £100 each that you have put in or something, if the company has spent it then it is gone
[23:48] <ali1234> and how do people mess it up, exactly?
[23:48] <ali1234> so the former then
[23:49] <AlanBell> when you set up a company you normally get 1 share certificate and 1 £1 share issued, which just looks like an irrelevant technicality
[23:49] <AlanBell> until you want to pay dividends and it isn't clear who owns the share and there should be one each
[23:50] <AlanBell> some people start out thinking directors get dividends, but they don't, shares get dividends.
[23:50] <ali1234> yeah, i think we've done that part right
[23:50] <ali1234> because it's 50% of the reason we're doing it
[23:51] <AlanBell> yup