[02:22] <alazare619> anyone in here an actual ubuntu builder im using the ubuntu livecd-rootfs/live-build scripts could use a little assitance
[05:24] <pitti> Good morning
[06:02] <Roj> hi how i can use Gwibber in my apps?i need resource :(
[06:04] <RAOF> Roj: What do you want to do?
[06:06] <Roj> i went to create unity lens for it :)
[06:06] <RAOF> How will this be different from the existing unity lens for it?
[06:08] <Roj> like pading lens
[06:08] <Roj> to seatch user in facebook or etc
[06:08] <RAOF> I'd start with unity-lens-gwibber
[06:09] <Roj> :( have lens for it?
[06:10] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:19] <Roj> you think i can use it in my app for submit in The Ubuntu App Showdown?
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[09:22] <dholbach> didrocks, care to join us again? :)
[09:22] <didrocks> dholbach: oh sure :)
[09:24] <iulian> Uh-oh! Sounds like a fancy party. Can I join you guys? :-)
[09:40] <ev> mpt: do you think we should try to fold the Help buttons into the main interface? http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/Screen%20shot%202012-07-05%20at%2010.20.15.png They can get quite long though (see the Extended_description entries in /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat).
[09:45] <sladen> ev: 'needs your help' and '[help]' terminology confusion too
[09:45] <ev> sladen: yeah, the text is very much a work in progress
[09:45] <ev> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#debconf
[09:46] <ev> ^ is the design I'm slowly moving towards
[09:46] <ev> ah and indeed he's already covered this
[09:47] <sladen> ev: *nod* sounds like it's already designed; the text from the second-level dialogue would simply be placed in the main area as 'Long description in smaller print'
[09:47] <sladen> (if I understood correctly)
[09:48] <sladen> and 'Mailname of your system:' would be the 'Short description above'
[09:52] <bob235> hi, is this the right channel to ask about the qualtal debian import freeze?
[09:53] <bob235> i see from the qualtal release plan that 5 july is the debian import freeze
[09:53] <cjwatson> yes
[09:54] <bob235> i'm hoping to get the latest version of rabbitmq-server into qualtal
[09:54] <bob235> if i miss the deadline today have i missed the boat?
[09:54] <cjwatson> are you the Debian maintainer?
[09:54] <bob235> there is a sync request bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rabbitmq-server/+bug/1018001
[09:55] <cjwatson> manual sync requests can be processed after Debian import freeze
[09:55] <bob235> yes i'm the debian maintainer
[09:55] <cjwatson> the only thing this freeze affects is that we won't run auto-syncs after today
[09:55] <sladen> bob235: you can do it manually later.  Tomorrow is the end of automatic syncs
[09:55] <cjwatson> so no, you have not missed the boat
[09:56] <bob235> phew, that's good news!
[09:56] <bob235> so what do i need to do manually later?
[09:56] <cjwatson> I'd rather leave it up to somebody like roaksoax or Daviey to check the manual sync request
[09:57] <bob235> ok, so i don't need to panic, and wait for Daviey to pick it up?
[09:57] <cjwatson> inded
[09:57] <cjwatson> *indeed
[09:58] <bob235> thanks for your help. i'll sit tight until that happens then
[09:58] <ev> sladen: exactly
[09:59] <ev> I was just spending too much time staring at the first mockup
[10:12] <cjwatson> stgraber: can the lttng-ust source package be replaced by ust 2.0.4-1 from Debian?  Noticed this while running auto-sync.
[10:16] <Fudge> hi can i report broken links on developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/
[10:17] <mpt> ev, are the Help buttons showing the "long description" part of the Description field?
[10:17] <mpt> If not, where are they getting their text?
[10:17] <mpt> And if so, I showed where the long description goes in the wireframes.
[10:17] <ev> mpt: yes - sladen and I were discussing that around 10:45
[10:17] <ev> indeed
[10:18] <ev> mpt: back and continue for the buttons?
[10:18] <mpt> ev, just Continue unless you want to implement back/forward navigation
[10:18] <ev> or was your intent to not treat it like an assistant at all?
[10:18] <seb128> @pilot in
[10:19] <ev> mpt: I'm asking because there's already back/forward navigation there
[10:19] <ev> as debconf does let you back up through questions
[10:20] <mpt> ev, I know, I'm asking you if you want to implement that in this cycle. If so, I'll add it to the design
[10:20] <ev> mpt: ah, apologies
[10:20] <ev> this would probably be so much easier if I just walked the 10 feet to you
[10:21] <ev> yay, sorted
[10:22]  * mpt giggles at the maximizable Help alert
[10:22] <ev> :)
[10:22] <mpt> I bet that looks just stunningly beautiful when maximized
[10:27] <sladen> empty space is beautiful
[10:32] <ev> mpt: for what it's worth, we're blocked on the compiz merge until we have that plan for dealing with applications hanging and coming back: https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/compiz/call-apport-on-hangs/+merge/113436/comments/243748
[10:33] <ev> if we can recreate the wonderful Firefox experience of ZOMG XUL IS HANGING! that would be ace :)
[10:35] <ev> mpt: ps. since you were curious: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/Screen%20shot%202012-07-05%20at%2011.34.14.png
[11:27] <dupondje> cyphermox: cjwatson: noted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1021122 ?
[11:29] <cjwatson> dupondje: that's an entertaining arrangement of links
[11:29] <cjwatson> lrwxrwxrwx root/root         0 2012-07-04 14:56 ./usr/bin/apt-add-repository -> add-apt-repository
[11:29]  * cjwatson digs
[11:49] <cjwatson> dupondje: fix uploading now
[12:01] <dupondje> cjwatson: great :)
[13:11] <seb128> cjwatson, hey, do you know what's the status on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/+bug/926340? it's assigned to you and on the LTS .1 list?
[13:11] <cjwatson> not got anywhere as yet, sorry, but I thought glatzor had indicated some kind of progress there
[13:12] <seb128> cjwatson, he asked you for a patch review mid june so I wondered if you had looked at the patch yet
[13:13] <cjwatson> he did?  argh
[13:14] <stgraber> cjwatson: hmm, I'm a bit surprised the Debian maintainer didn't also change the source name in the process, but yeah, the binary packages are the same so lttng-ust should be replaced by ust
[13:14]  * cjwatson looks
[13:14] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[13:25] <ScottK> stgraber: I didn't check if you dealt with avogadro or not, but we decided I'll fix it in python-qt4 in Debian.  If you fixed avogadro, no need to revert.  It'll be happy either way.
[13:28] <stgraber> ScottK: I uploaded avogadro yesterday afternoon
[13:28] <ScottK> OK.
[13:29] <ScottK> So for your purposes it's solved no matter what I do.
[13:32] <stgraber> right
[13:38] <cjwatson> seb128: replied now
[13:38] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks ;-)
[13:47] <apw> mvo, yo ... been playing with squid-deb-proxy and IPv6, finally figured out that the IPv4 records with IPv6 addresses make sense as that field refers to the broadcast channel we used to obtain the address and says nothing about the address itself
[13:47] <hallyn> cyphermox: libnl3 FTBFS waiting on source-highlight, which looks like it is published since apr 30.  any idea?
[13:48] <apw> mvo, anyhow, have put some patches together to advertise, prefer, a
[13:48] <cjwatson>     libnl3 |    3.2.7-4 |       quantal | source
[13:48] <cjwatson> source-highlight |    3.1.6-1 | quantal/universe | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc
[13:48] <cyphermox> is source-highlight in universe?
[13:48] <cyphermox> ah
[13:48] <cyphermox> so we'll have to file a MIR
[13:48] <apw> mvo, anyhow, have put some patches together to advertise, prefer, and use IPv6, under bug #1021298; branch attached
[13:48] <cjwatson> listed on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt
[13:49] <hallyn> cyphermox: d'oh, shoulda checked that
[13:49] <cyphermox> np
[13:49] <hallyn> cyphermox: i do have a hard time believeing that 'source-highlight' could be crucial to building libnl3...
[13:50] <cyphermox> hallyn: it's likely for the docs; if you want you can try to disable it ;)
[13:50] <Laney> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657254
[13:51] <hallyn> cyphermox: i'll give it a shot.
[13:52] <mvo> apw: \o/
[13:52] <mvo> apw: I have a look  now
[13:53] <apw> mvo, i have tested it here, but only on an ipv6 enabled network, in theory it should work using link locals anyhow if you have them or fall back to ipv4
[13:53] <apw> mvo, so some testing on a normal network is in order before upload
[13:54] <ScottK> apw: It's not going to slow things down if there's no IPv6 is there (RFC 6555, Section 3.2 warns about this).
[13:55] <apw> ScottK, no the new code does fewer lookups so it should be quicker overall, it scans the same list twice picking any advertised v6 addys first, then falling back to ipv4
[13:55] <apw> ScottK, and as avahi is link local anyhow, in theory you should be always able to use the link-locals if they exist
[13:56] <apw> ScottK, but ... it does need some combintation testing before its released
[13:56] <ScottK> OK.  I get nervous about people 'fixing' stuff to look at IPv6 first as it's often gone astray in the past.  I'm glad you've thought it through.
[13:57] <ScottK> Besides, how often to I get to refer to an RFC titled "Happy Eyeballs"?
[13:57] <apw> ScottK, i am worried enough still :)  but also unless we try things we'll not get things fixed at all, and thats a worry with ipv4 creaking so
[13:57] <apw> ScottK, heh there is that indeed.
[13:57] <ScottK> Agreed.
[13:58]  * apw sees .eu has 3 weeks till it joins .ap
[13:58] <didrocks> ev: hey, did you get any more info on why I got all those errors on errors.ubuntu.com with my credentials?
[13:58] <didrocks> ev: it's really making hard using it :/
[13:59] <ScottK> Recently I got an RC bug in Debian on opendkim due to IPv6 problems.  It turns out it works ~fine, but the documentation for use with IPv6 was sorely lacking.  I get the impression real people are starting to use it.
[13:59] <ScottK> (it being IPv6)
[14:00] <apw> mvo, i wonder if i should be using the IPv6/IPv4 fields to 'enable' use of addresses in that realm ... as a hint we as a consumer have ipv6 for instance
[14:00] <ev> didrocks: I sadly haven't gotten to it yet. I don't suppose you could grab someone in #webops and see if you can pair through the issue? I imagine you'll have much more success than me trying to vaguely convey what's happening on your connection to them.
[14:00] <ev> didrocks: as the openid stuff is not something I build yet
[14:01] <ev> (it's currently an apache module, whereas in the future I hope to move to something like django-openid-auth, if I can rip the notion of writing to tables from its brain)
[14:02] <didrocks> ev: I'll try a losa ping
[14:02] <apw> mvo, ScottK, if you use squid-deb-proxy could you paste me the output of: avahi-browse -kprt _apt_proxy._tcp
[14:02] <ScottK> I don't.  Sorry.
[14:02] <apw> i can use those to test the algorithm
[14:02] <apw> np
[14:32] <xnox> dholbach: $ reverse-depends adept \n No reverse dependencies found
[14:32] <xnox> is there a removal bug?
[14:33] <dholbach> at least none https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive is subscribed too
[14:33] <dholbach> to
[14:34] <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/~scarneiro/ubuntu/quantal/adept/fix-invalid-brace.expansions/+merge/111331 is how I found out about it (which can be rejected then)
[14:34] <dholbach> and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673085 in Debian, maybe for reference
[14:34] <ScottK> If the rdepends are gone, I'll remove it.
[14:35] <xnox> ScottK: do it ;-)
[14:35] <xnox> dholbach: ScottK: i was about to $ import-bug-from debian 673085 + subscribe ubuntu-archive ;-)
[14:35] <melodie_> Hi
[14:35] <ScottK> Save yourself the trouble.
[14:35] <xnox> thanks =)
[14:36] <melodie_> I have a few questions related to services in relation with bum package and chkconfig package. I wonder where would the right chan be ? the #ubuntu : no way, full with users now and impossible to get a hint
[14:37] <ScottK> xnox: Gone.
[14:37] <xnox> =)
[14:37] <ScottK> dholbach: ^^^
[14:37] <dholbach> fantastic - thanks
[14:37] <dholbach> can anyone reject https://code.launchpad.net/~scarneiro/ubuntu/quantal/adept/fix-invalid-brace.expansions/+merge/111331 because adept was removed from the archive?
[14:38] <xnox> dholbach: I will with a comment
[14:38] <ev> mpt, seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/errors/+bug/1021326
[14:38] <seb128> ev, thanks
[14:39] <ev> sure thing
[14:39] <stgraber> dholbach: rejected
[14:39] <dholbach> thanks
[14:39] <stgraber> xnox: I don't think you can actually reject a branch, all you can do on a UDD branch is post a review. You need to be part of ~ubuntu-branches to actually reject a MP
[14:40] <xnox> stgraber: it does offer me the reject option.... let me try
[14:40] <xnox> stgraber: nah, can't be asked, will try some other time.
[14:40] <melodie_> I'll rephrase : I tried to configure ssh for it to be started at boot in a Lubuntu precise but I could not find a tool for that in the distro and didn't know what file to look at. So I tried this package : http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/chkconfig
[14:41] <xnox> melodie_: surely you want to install openssh-server..... or use @reboot cron job.... or write your own upstart job to do this
[14:42] <ScottK> Installing the server is both necessary and sufficient.
[14:42] <melodie_> it appears after trying that it is not only buggy for the path : it looks for /sbin/insserv whereas this file is in the /lib tree directory, but when for a test I create a symlink to please him, the command I launch then complains that it is not an Upstart Job
[14:42] <xnox> melodie_: try !askubuntu website in the future
[14:42] <melodie_> so I thought there are at least 2 bugs :
[14:42] <melodie_> one related to the program, one is that this program might be removed from the repos as becoming irrelevant : what do you think ?
[14:43] <melodie_> I am not trying to solve just one issue, but to see what I could do to help improve Ubuntu
[14:44] <ScottK> Since chkconfig doesn't know about upstart, I think it's unlikely to work on Ubuntu.
[14:44] <melodie_> askubunty might help me find a solution as ubuntu-fr.org can : I read French more comfortably, but there I found bum which does not solve because I can't find the ssh service in it. (and I don't know if this is a bug yet)
[14:45] <melodie_> xnox, and I have installed openssh-server, thanks. :)
[14:46] <melodie_> xnox, I don't want to write jobs or scripts, I don't code, I don't know how to do that, I can edit files, and click on buttons sometimes too. ;)
[14:46] <xnox> melodie_: i didn't ask you to code, but add configuration.
[14:46] <melodie_> and if there is a more relevant chan to discuss about the packages meant to ease the management of the services
[14:47] <melodie_> xnox, this is it : I am currently seeking for a tool or the info on which file to edit ?
[14:47] <xnox> melodie_: $ sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[14:47] <xnox> reboot
[14:48] <xnox> ssh-server is started on boot
[14:48] <xnox> what is your question?
[14:48] <melodie_> what is the file where it is written ?
[14:48] <xnox> melodie_: no need to write a file.
[14:48] <xnox> but if you want details
[14:48] <melodie_> yes, I would like to have details
[14:49] <melodie_> I can start ssh with console, but knowing better the new programs managing the services would be nice too
[14:49] <xnox> melodie_: $ ssh host; doesn't start ssh.... it creates a client session
[14:49] <xnox> melodie_: /etc/ssh/sshd_config is the sshd (server) settings
[14:50] <xnox> started by upstart using $ /etc/init/ssh.conf
[14:50] <xnox> melodie_: do you want server or client to be started on boot?
[14:50] <melodie_> I am thinking...
[14:52] <melodie_> I use both and confuse both too. I have a remove machine : squirrel, which I wanted to connect to the local machine "copernic" to send a file to it. I couldn't. I randomly installed the ssh-server and didn't retry since I was trying to find a tool where to configure the jobs at start, and was wondering why I can't set it up the way I want with gui tools
[14:53] <melodie_> suppose the server on "copernic" will allow connecting the remote "squirrel" to it ? (when I say remote it is still on a lan anyhow)
[14:54] <xnox> melodie_: on squirrel do $ apt-get install openssh-server
[14:54] <xnox> melodie_: on local machine open a folder -> file Connect to server -> select SFTP -> type squirrel your username and password
[14:55] <xnox> done
[14:55] <melodie_> xnox, squirrel already has it (a very old Archlinux install which is full with all what's needed)
[14:55] <xnox> melodie_: please go to #ubuntu this is nothing to do with development
[14:55] <xnox> melodie_: ask "how to connect to remote ssh server"
[14:55] <melodie_> xnox, sure. (all works now)
[14:56] <melodie_> xnox, what about the chkconfig package ? Should not I go somewhere (launchpad ? bug section ?) to say that it is not needed in the repos anymore ?
[14:56] <seb128> xnox, hey
[14:57] <melodie_> xnox, thanks, anyhow I know how to connect with ssh, sshfs and so on. I just wonder why it is so hard to find a gui to configure the services.
[14:57] <melodie_> I mean, one which offers the choices for all services installed.
[14:57] <xnox> melodie_: dunno. ask on #ubuntu-server. I am fine with editing files.
[14:57] <seb128> xnox, I'm doing some sponsoring ... you maintain mdadm right? do you plan to do a SRU update soon? I'm wondering if I should sponsor the fix from bug #946758 to precise or let that to you for a SRU (since I saw other issues are milestoned for 12.04.1)
[14:57] <xnox> seb128: yes?!
[14:58] <melodie_> xnox, ok I try, thanks
[14:59] <seb128> xnox, tldr ; should I upload https://launchpadlibrarian.net/109290854/mdadm.debdiff
[14:59] <xnox> seb128: no.
[14:59] <xnox> seb128: let me read now =)
[15:00] <seb128> xnox, yes, no ... you are a binary man :p
[15:00] <xnox> seb128: is there a bug or anything? this is just a launchpadlibrarian
[15:00] <seb128> xnox, the bug was in the first sentence I wrote
[15:00] <seb128> xnox, after the "hey"
[15:00] <xnox> ah
[15:00] <xnox> sorry to much highlight on the screen
[15:00] <xnox> =)
[15:00] <seb128> xnox, no worry ;-)
[15:01] <xnox> seb128: i believe that bug fix is already part of my sru, but it got rejected. So i only need to add a changelog entry and fix up the sru and re-upload.
[15:01] <xnox> seb128: i was planning to do it today or tomorrow.
[15:02] <seb128> xnox, ok, good, I will unassign sponsors and assign the bug to you
[15:02] <seb128> xnox, works?
[15:02] <xnox> seb128: so please don't upload... unless you claim to reproduce it and test it.
[15:02] <xnox> seb128: sure =)
[15:02] <seb128> xnox, it's all yours then, thanks ;-)
[15:03] <hallyn> cyphermox: libnl-3 seems to build find without source-highlight
[15:12] <cyphermox> hallyn: cool
[15:12] <hallyn> cyphermox: i don't have upload rights, do you mind making that change?
[15:12] <Laney> wait
[15:12] <Laney> the Debian bug said that it tried to download from the internet without that BD
[15:12] <Laney> hallyn: did you build in such an environment?
[15:13] <hyperair> it looks like bug #785822 which is the last remaining bug requiring verification-done for banshee can't be verified because nobody who experienced the bug in the first place is present to verify that it's fixed.
[15:13] <cyphermox> hallyn: that changes things a whole lot, should try building it in a PPA
[15:13] <Laney> wait, maybe I'm misremembering
[15:13] <seb128> hyperair, you can testify that there is no regression
[15:13] <seb128> which is good enough to verification-done it
[15:14] <hyperair> okay.
[15:14] <cyphermox> (and anyway, it would be a good idea to try to build some of the reverse-depends in case something changes that breaks them)
[15:14] <hallyn> sure, will try in ppa.  or i could just try in a container sans networking, iiuc
[15:14] <Laney> yeah
[15:14] <Laney> I think it might not be this bug I'm thinking of, though.
[15:15] <hallyn> pushed, will ping when done :)
[15:15] <Laney> also it might be easier in the long run to MIR source-highlighting, should be relatively innocuous
[15:18]  * hallyn goes to look at the code
[15:27] <Roj> hi have any why to run python code from glade web browser?
[15:28] <Roj> write code in html tag and can run with glade web browser
[15:34] <melodie_> bye, and thanks
[15:42] <Roj> hi have any why to run python code from glade web browser?
[15:47] <hallyn> cyphermox: Laney: fwiw libnl-3 built fine in ppa (https://launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+archive/virt)
[15:48] <hallyn> still going to look at the source-highlight source code (looked over its new bugs for starters)
[15:48] <Laney> cool
[15:48] <hallyn> but it seems i messed up cgroup-lite, so fixing that first :)
[15:49] <hallyn> general q - awk being in /usr/bin not /bin, i would assume that has come up before?  (for bootup for systems with separate /usr)
[15:50] <hallyn> i assume i should work around that, moving awk to /bin is not doable?
[15:50] <cjwatson> work around it - there should be enough other tools in /bin to make it workaebl
[15:50] <cjwatson> *wowrkable
[15:50] <cjwatson> oh bah, I give up
[15:50] <hallyn> :)
[15:50] <cjwatson> hate typing on systems under load
[15:51] <hallyn> yeah i don't mind working around it, just seems like there would be lots of boot scripts using awk...
[15:51] <hallyn> thanks
[15:51] <cjwatson> shouldn't be, they should all already have run into the same problem :)
[15:51] <cjwatson> not many things have to worry about being run before /usr is mounted
[15:52] <slangasek> also, becomes a non-issue once we implement foundations-q-usr-merge
[15:52] <cjwatson> exactly
[15:54] <hallyn> oh no, no 'logger' command either
[15:55] <slangasek> fwiw, moving awk to /bin is particularly knotty because it's an alternative provided by two separate packages
[15:55] <hallyn> and no tail
[15:55] <slangasek> so we shouldn't really do that
[15:55] <hallyn> slangasek: right, it didn't look pretty
[15:55] <hallyn> but, no tail?
[15:57] <slangasek> tail is not in the category of "things required in order to mount filesystems" :)
[15:57] <ogra_> for reading the end of the log after the mount failed !
[15:58] <hallyn> 'required', guess not.  i was just using it to skip the first line of /proc/cgroups
[15:58] <slangasek> where are you getting a log?  rsyslogd is on /usr :P
[15:58] <hallyn> i'll use the '#'
[15:58] <ogra_> heh
[15:58] <cjwatson> sed -n '2,$p'
[15:58] <cjwatson> hallyn: ^-
[15:59] <hallyn> leading '#' might actually be more reliable.  will think on it
[16:00] <dobey> how does one run "make check" in override_dh_auto_test when using cmake?
[16:01] <dobey> it seems to do the cmake in a subdir, and none of the env vars have that path in them :-/
[16:09] <debfx> dobey: doesn't dh_auto_test do that already?
[16:11] <dobey> debfx: well i would like to use a different make target than check
[16:12] <debfx> dobey: you could call dh_auto_build -- <TARGET>
[16:16] <dobey> debfx: thanks
[16:40] <hallyn> gah.  i left logger still.  though only in failure paths.  is there a good replacement for 'logger' for during early boot (pre-/sys) ?
[16:40] <seb128> @pilot out
[16:47] <SpamapS> hallyn: upstart?
[16:50] <stgraber> hallyn: just going with echo should be good enough, the output will go to /var/log/upstart/cgroup-lite.log
[16:50] <hallyn> SpamapS: going by the cookbook, it seems i'd jsut be writing to /dev/kmsg
[16:50] <hallyn> stgraber: oh, so maybe is hould do that in all cases even if logger is available?
[16:50] <hallyn> is that pretty new?
[16:51] <stgraber> yeah, I don't see any specific reason to write to syslog when we have per-job logs now
[16:51] <stgraber> was introduced in 12.04
[16:51] <stgraber> before that job output would just be lost
[16:51] <hallyn> stgraber: no wait.  is that only in the upstart job itself, or also for scripts called by the upstart job?
[16:51]  * hallyn tests
[16:52] <stgraber> any output to stdout/stderr cause by the job should end up there (including anything that it spawns)
[16:52] <stgraber> *caused
[16:53] <hallyn> not seeing a /var/log/upstart
[16:53] <vibhav> I was having a look at http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gksu-polkit/gksu-polkit_0.0.3-1/changelog#version0.0.2-2
[16:54] <hallyn> oh i still need console output then
[16:54] <vibhav> and noticed https://merges.ubuntu.com/g/gksu-polkit/gksu-polkit_0.0.2-2.1ubuntu1.patch doesnt have gksu-polkit (0.0.2-2.1) unstable; urgency=low , Am I missing something?
[16:54] <hallyn> no, no help
[16:54] <vibhav> Actually, the debian/changelog doesnt have gksu-polkit (0.0.2-2.1) unstable; urgency=low
[16:54] <stgraber> hallyn: that's weird... you should definitely have /var/log/upstart (a directory) on your system and /var/log/upstart/<job>.log for any job that outputs something
[16:54] <stgraber> hallyn: unless for some reason your system booted with --no-log
[16:55] <hallyn> proc/cmdline: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-2-generic root=LABEL=cloudimg-rootfs ro console=ttyS0
[16:55] <stgraber> hmm, you really should have /var/log/upstart/ then :)
[16:56] <hallyn> lemme mkdir it
[16:56] <hallyn> still no file in there
[16:56] <stgraber> try "sudo initctl notify-disk-writeable"
[16:56] <hallyn> i do see my precise host has it
[16:56] <ogra_> infinity, any idea what we can do about the flash-kernel unmount thing ? thats a longstanding bug we had in the old version and something i even ran into with rootstock at times
[16:57] <hallyn> stgraber: still no /var/log/upstart/*
[16:57] <hallyn> stgraber: but, i guess i'll assume that is a configuration bug, or an upstart bug in quantal - the point remains i should have 'console output' in the cgroup-lite.conf, and use 'echo' ?
[16:57] <stgraber> jodh: ^ (hallyn doesn't have /var/log/upstart on his system even though he didn't boot with --no-log)
[16:58] <ahasenack> smoser: hi, just so you know, https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/897688 backfired
[16:58] <vibhav> Also, what is the dh_python2 equivalent of XS-Python-Version = all?
[16:58] <ahasenack> smoser: dpb has one of those stupid ISPs with wildcard domains
[16:58] <stgraber> hallyn: you shouldn't need "console output" as logging is the default for any version of upstart that supports it
[16:58] <ahasenack> smoser: that respond to foo.bar.stupid.domain.my.isp with a valid ip showing some standard "domain not found" html page
[16:58] <hallyn> stgraber: excellent
[16:58] <stgraber> hallyn: so just moving from these logger calls to echo should do the trick
[16:58] <ahasenack> smoser: and the machines he fired up with cloud-init ended up pointing at ubuntu-mirror.localdomain, which didn't work, of course
[16:58] <hallyn> so i'll just switch to echo and call it good.  thanks
[16:59] <infinity> ogra_: It's recurred in 3.0?  Cause I thought we had is nailed in precise.
[16:59] <infinity> ogra_: /is/it/
[17:00] <ogra_> infinity, well, you were the last person editing bug 1014139
[17:00] <ogra_> :)
[17:01] <infinity> ogra_: Oh, I was just reassigning some initramfs-tools bugs, but yeah, that's clearly with 3.0
[17:02] <infinity> ogra_: I guess we need to look at what we mangled in 2.x and forward-port the violence.
[17:02] <ogra_> i also saw the issue here personally when upgrading my ac100
[17:03] <infinity> xnox: Hey!
[17:03] <ogra_> haha
[17:04] <ogra_> we have a filesystem specialist now, i always forget :)
[17:04] <xnox> infinity: hello!
[17:04]  * xnox was offline for an hour due to xchat crash
[17:04] <infinity> xnox: Has anybody yelled at you about your mongodb and qpid-cpp uploads yet?
[17:04] <xnox> infinity: ogra_: what did I miss? =)
[17:04] <xnox> infinity: micahg did =)
[17:04] <ogra_> infinity, i think we used a sledgehammer like umount -l back in 2.0
[17:04] <ogra_> or something similarily bad
[17:05] <infinity> xnox: Can you revert the disabling of armhf on the former?
[17:05] <infinity> xnox: As for the qpid-cpp one, did you disable the entire testsuite (as the changelog suggests), or just some network tests?
[17:05] <xnox> infinity: yes, that's what micahg told me to do. And you mean reverting disable of *armel* right?
[17:05] <infinity> xnox: Err, armel, not armhf.  Whatever.
[17:06] <infinity> xnox: I removed the problematic binaries for you for now.  Keep in mind that disabling building on an arch doesn't actually remove binaries anyway, so wouldn't have done what you wanted regardless.
[17:06] <xnox> infinity: qpid-cpp I think i disabled it out-right =) but now that we have a boost1.49 binary, i can re-enable all of it back :P
[17:06] <ogra_> xnox, heh, sorry, i thought infinity's ping was related to the mount issue we have in flash-kernel :)
[17:06] <infinity> ogra_: Nothing all that bad about lazy umounts.
[17:07] <ogra_> apart from the fact that the "physical" mount might still be there ?
[17:07] <xnox> ogra_: well I have a panda in a box, but haven't booted it yet.
[17:07] <ogra_> -l only updates mtab, no ?
[17:07]  * xnox has nothing against pandas or animals in general BTW
[17:07] <ogra_> just make sure you have enough bamboo in your storage :)
[17:07] <infinity> flash-kernel (2.28ubuntu34) oneiric; urgency=low
[17:07] <infinity>   * Avoid races between umount and rm of the mountpoint with umount -l
[17:08] <infinity> That seems to be the last thing the changelog has to say about it.
[17:08] <ogra_> yeah, that sounds like the "fix"
[17:08] <infinity> ogra_: No, it does more than update mtab.  It detaches the filesystem, and cleans up once it's no longer busy.
[17:08] <ogra_> i still dont like to hide a race behind a lazy unmount
[17:09] <ogra_> but i invested plenty of time to track down the race in the past and failed
[17:09] <ogra_> evcen if you run lsof in the script, the open files are gone already
[17:11] <gema> ogra_: http://www.weather.com/weather/videos/news-41/top-stories-169/108-tai-chi-pandas-in-the-rain-29461
[17:11] <infinity> ogra_: Yeah, looks like exactly the same race, just relocated to a different spot in the code.
[17:11] <ogra_> right
[17:12] <infinity> ogra_: -l should fix it.  You could also try to forceful syncs, but I don't see the point.  This is exactly what -l is for.
[17:12] <ogra_> ok
[17:12] <ogra_> well, i would like to know whats going on, this bothers me
[17:12] <ogra_> gema, LOL
[17:13] <vibhav> if XS-Python-Version=all , Then can I set X-Python-Version=$smallest_python_version_number ?
[17:13] <infinity> ogra_: It'll bother you less if -l fixes it and you never see another bug report. ;)
[17:14] <ogra_> heh, i still *know* its there
[17:14] <infinity> (It certainly stopped bugging me after we fixed it in oneiric)
[17:14] <ogra_> its like that stripe of duct tape holding your engine in place in the car ...
[17:14] <jtaylor> vibhav: just drop it in that case
[17:14] <ogra_> it might still work but its an ugly solution
[17:14] <ogra_> and you know its there under the hood
[17:15] <infinity> ogra_: Meh.  It worked in oneiric/precise, and no one complained, so I declare that it *is* the right solution. :)
[17:15] <vibhav> jtaylor: Remove XS-Python-Version ?
[17:15] <ogra_> heh, ok
[17:15] <vibhav> Without using x-p-v?
[17:15] <infinity> ogra_: Mostly because I don't want to try to hunt down all the things that might, potentially, be keeping that mountpoint open for a brief period.
[17:15] <jtaylor> vibhav: yes, assuming your converting something to dh_py2
[17:15] <vibhav> jtaylor: yeah, thanks
[17:16] <ogra_> infinity, yes, and several people tried that in the past
[17:16] <infinity> ogra_: In all seriousness, anything that might be keeping a file open there will be a child of flash-kernel, so the lazy umount will complete and clean up as soon as f-k is done, which is close enough to what we want anyway.
[17:37] <nemo> Hm... Is this just my system, or is 12.04 a bit broken in package deps?
[17:37] <nemo>  trac-wikiprint : Depends: python-pil but it is not installable
[17:37] <nemo> E: Package 'python-pil' has no installation candidate
[17:41] <jtaylor> nemo: bug 982669
[17:42] <jtaylor> looks like a simple fix
[17:46] <nemo> jtaylor: maybe, but sure doesn't seem like it was made :-p
[17:47] <nemo> oh well. looks like I need to do my own source build it seems
[17:48] <jtaylor> I'll fix it
[17:59] <jtaylor> hm looks like a bug in dh_python2, nice ...
[18:00] <ScottK> How so?
[18:00] <jtaylor> it considers python-pil a valid dependency even though it has no installation candidate
[18:00] <jtaylor> in debian the package does not exist anymore so it is not affected
[18:00] <jtaylor> in ubuntu it only "exists" due to those two depending on it
[18:01] <ScottK> Does it think that because it's in requires.txt?
[18:01] <jtaylor> yes, it guesses it to python-pil
[18:01] <jtaylor> which it only does if python-pil exists
[18:01] <jtaylor> actually its a but more strange it should only accept the guess if its installed
[18:02] <jtaylor> how does it consider it a valid guess
[18:02] <ScottK> IDK and POX is mostly offline at Debconf.
[18:06] <jtaylor> :( dig through the source then
[18:07] <hallyn> Laney: cyphermox: i just dunno.  debian bug 657254 does say that libnl3 was FTBFS with asciidoc and without syntax-highlight.  it builds fine in ppa without.  But MIRing syntax-highlight is a bit daunting bc it depends on boost-defaults
[18:08] <Laney> is that bad?
[18:08] <Laney> and I was thinking of another bug I had yesterday with the internets thing
[18:09] <jtaylor> hm dh_python2 does not validate its guesses at all
[18:09] <hallyn> is which bad?  needing to MIR boost?  it's a huge chunk of c++ templates near as i can tell...
[18:09] <jtaylor> how can that be
[18:09] <Laney> boost-defaults. it's already in main
[18:12] <hallyn> Laney: yeah, i'm mixing up my packages - meant libboost-regex-dev
[18:12] <hallyn> hm
[18:12] <hallyn> so it'll be promoted as soon as something in main uses it, bc its source pkg is in main?
[18:13] <cjwatson> yeah, moving binaries to main doesn't need paperwork
[18:13] <Laney> not sure what the main situation is with boost-defaults
[18:13] <cjwatson> boost-defaults source is in main
[18:13] <Laney> I see that package has never been in main
[18:13] <cjwatson> uh
[18:13] <cjwatson> boost-defaults |   <IP_ADDRESS> |       quantal | source
[18:13] <Laney> the binary
[18:13] <cjwatson> oh, right.  but in any case MIRs are per source package ...
[18:13] <hallyn> right
[18:13] <Laney> so nothing in main has ever BDed on that. mildly curious, but doesn't matter
[18:13] <hallyn> point being, i was worryin gover nothing - thanks :)
[18:13] <ScottK> And boost-defaults isn't the right source.
[18:14] <ScottK> Or it's not the only one.
[18:14] <hallyn> eh?
[18:14] <Laney> for libboost-regex-dev?
[18:14] <jtaylor> ok, debian is affected it just got build with a dh_python2 version that does not have this "feature"
[18:14] <jtaylor> time to file 2 rc bugs
[18:14] <jtaylor> maybe 3, this behavior is very weird
[18:15] <ScottK> hallyn: nevermind.  libboost-regex1.49-dev is already in Main.
[18:15] <Laney> haha
[18:15] <Laney> good old boost.
[18:16] <ScottK> It's OK.  xnox is in charge of boost now.
[18:16] <hallyn> ok - i think i'll file MIR for syntax-highlighting then
[18:16] <hallyn> (just looking through some of the .c files first for sanity)
[18:17] <Laney> it should be easier as it's only a BD, not something users will get installed for them
[18:17] <ScottK> jtaylor: Which package are we on?
[18:17] <jtaylor> ScottK: trac-wikiprint, trac-odtexport
[18:18] <hallyn> Laney: and especially as there should be no setuid-root programs or daemons :)
[18:18] <hallyn> of course there are comments like "Currently this looks like a security hole"
[18:19] <Laney> heh.
[18:28] <cjwatson> stgraber: ust> thanks - maybe you could syncpackage it if you've checked Ubuntu diffs?  I feel less comfortable auto-syncing things when they're at all complex
[18:31] <stgraber> cjwatson: I'll have a quick look, and run syncpackage. I believe jbernard used the upstream lttng packaging so it should be identical to what we have currently (except for the source name)
[18:34] <stgraber> cjwatson: diff looks good. Only problem I see is that we won't have armel and armhf binaries but I'll change that after the sync
[18:35] <stgraber> jbernard: what's the reason for not going with arch any for these? IIRC lttng-ust builds just fine on armel and armhf and I didn't see any problem with it when I smoke tested on my pandaboard
[18:37] <barry> jdstrand: apparmor py3 uploaded?
[18:40] <jdstrand> barry: you bet. I was going to ask infinity to bin deNEW it since we added python3-libapparmor
[18:40] <barry> jdstrand: awesome
[18:40] <barry> thanks!
[18:40] <jdstrand> (I'd do it, but I uploaded it, so I can't)
[18:42] <jdstrand> infinity: hey, when you get a chance, can you deNEW apparmor? python3-libapparmor was added (and it should go to main)
[18:42] <jdstrand> looks like they all build
[18:42] <jdstrand> built
[18:47] <infinity> jdstrand: Done.
[18:47] <jdstrand> infinity: thanks! :)
[19:08] <cnd> infinity: I have a package rename, and I need to transition rdepends on to the new package as soon as possible
[19:09] <cnd> I've uploaded the new package "evemu", would you be able to review and approve it for me?
[19:10] <ScottK> cnd: Does it have a transitional package with the old name that depends on the new one?
[19:11] <infinity> cnd: ^
[19:11] <infinity> cnd: That may matter for LTS->LTS upgrades... Unless it's just a library.
[19:12] <infinity> Oh, and it kinda is.
[19:12] <infinity> Except for the python bindings.
[19:12] <highvoltage> xnox: btw, we're traveling from miami to managua at the same time. so this is just to let you know that I've marked you as my designated travel buddy.
[19:12] <xnox> highvoltage: ok. Who are you? =))))
[19:13] <Laney> The One and Only High Voltage
[19:13] <xnox> xnox: found you on pad.lv
[19:14] <highvoltage> Laney said it. well we met at UDS but at least I remember you and should be able to identify you in a crowd :)
[19:15] <xnox> highvoltage: Hmmm. Now I remember you! =)
[19:15] <xnox> get excited and make things =)
[19:15] <highvoltage> :D
[19:15] <xnox> highvoltage: ok, I have now mapped you in person from UDS to the irc nickname =)
[19:16] <xnox> canada, eh?! =)
[19:16] <highvoltage> xnox: oui
[20:15]  * Laney paws at stgraber
[20:15] <Laney> have you seen stuff like http://paste.debian.net/177883/ before?
[20:15] <Laney> lxc got itself into a bad way somehow
[20:16] <stgraber> Laney: haven't seen that one yet, no. What kernel are you using?
[20:17] <Laney> Linux iota 3.5.0-2-generic #2-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jun 26 14:11:06 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:20] <stgraber> Laney: anything special you had to do to trigger that?
[20:21] <Laney> I'm not sure how I triggered it
[20:21] <Laney> I had a container up today, stopped it, suspended & unsuspended a few times, tried to start it again now and it didn't come up, and then saw this in dmesg
[20:22] <stgraber> it's definitely a kernel bug and looks like a bug somewhere in the network namespace code (based on that refcount entry for the loopback device)
[20:22] <stgraber> hallyn: ^
[20:23] <Laney> i'm being spammed by that message now :)
[20:23] <stgraber> Laney: ubuntu-bug linux
[20:23] <Laney> aye aye
[20:23]  * hallyn reads up
[20:24] <hallyn> oh sigh
[20:24] <Laney> "This is not an official Ubuntu package."
[20:24] <Laney> erm.
[20:25] <hallyn> cyphermox: filed the MIR for source-highlight, fwiw
[20:25] <cyphermox> cool, thanks!
[20:25] <hallyn> Laney: hm, try linux-image-generic?  else ask on #ubuntu-kernel
[20:26] <hallyn> i'm checking the git tree to see what has changed recently
[20:26] <Laney> yeah that worked, thanks
[20:28] <hallyn> Laney: wait, do you have cgroup-bin installed?
[20:29] <Laney> nope
[20:29] <hallyn> ok :)
[20:29] <Laney> I do have cgroup-lite, if that means anything
[20:29] <hallyn> you seem to actually be hung on a mutex, so i was wondering if a task might have been kept frozen after suspend
[20:29] <hallyn> yeah, it measn your good wrt that
[20:33] <Laney> bug #1021471
[20:33] <Laney> help me think of a better title :P
[20:33] <hallyn> 'stuck on mutex_lock creating a new network namespace when starting a container'
[20:34] <hallyn> Laney: thanks i was just going to ask you the # :)
[20:34] <hallyn> odd i don't see any changes in net/core/net_namespace.c that woudl cause this
[20:35] <hallyn> [26205.684141] unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 1   doh
[20:36] <hallyn> that rings an atonal bell
[20:38] <hallyn> feh, gotta be a buggy net driver
[20:38] <Laney> :)
[20:39] <hallyn> i'll wait and see if kernel team has an obvious idea, and if not by tomorrow take a closer look
[20:39] <Laney> i'm going to have to reboot, so i'll lose the broken state until and if it recurs
[20:40] <hallyn> Laney: if it's not too late, can you first do an lsmod?
[20:40] <hallyn> just wondering if you have any "special" network drivers
[20:40] <Laney> yep
[20:40] <Laney> apport didn't do that?
[20:40] <hallyn> actually that should be in your log info alraeady
[20:40] <hallyn> yeah should have, nm, boot away :)
[20:40] <hallyn> thanks
[20:41] <Laney> did it anyway just in case: http://paste.debian.net/177888/
[20:41] <Laney> brb
[20:48] <BenC> When will things in quantal-proposed be moved to main (IOW, when will the buildd's pick up on it)?
[20:48] <BenC> Mainly, there are two build failures in quantal universe that will be fixed with the latest build of thunderbird that is in proposed
[20:49] <BenC> …on powerpc
[20:49] <infinity> BenC: How do the buildds relate?
[20:50] <BenC> infinity: the rebuild I asked for on enigmail didn't make use of thunderbird 14, it still pulled in 11.0
[20:50] <infinity> BenC: If you just mean "when will stuff get copied to the release pocket?", it's waiting on the e-d-s transition in -proposed to be complete.
[20:50] <infinity> BenC: You should have uploaded that to proposed, if you wanted it to build against proposed. :P
[20:50] <infinity> BenC: Oh, it's just a retry.
[20:50] <infinity> In that case, yeah, just wait.
[20:50] <BenC> right
[20:51] <infinity> Tbird is caught in a transition, it'll be out soonish.
[20:51] <BenC> Ok, thanks
[20:51] <infinity> But thanks for the subtle reminder that I should fix armel at some point, now that you fixed PPC to make me look bad.
[20:55] <BenC> My job is done then
[20:56] <infinity> BenC: :P
[20:56] <infinity> BenC: When the ARM hardware in my house gets faster than my PPC hardware, watch out.
[20:56] <BenC> My actual objective is to indirectly fix arm by making it inferior to an all but forgotten architecture :)
[20:57] <tedg> slangasek, So I'm a bit confused about bootloaders :-)  For x86 on non-Secure Boot systems are we using GRUB2 ?
[20:57] <slangasek> tedg: yes
[20:57] <infinity> BenC: Heh.  Well, I'm sure you're indirectly fixing ARM here and there by fixing generic build failures, and the odd char-signedness issue.
[20:57] <tedg> slangasek, And then for x86 secure boot systems it's efiboot
[20:57] <slangasek> tedg: efilinux
[20:58] <tedg> Ah, yes.  Sorry.
[20:58] <BenC> infinity: I actually thought that the two fixes I dropped for tbird would fix armel, but I never looked at the problem in the log
[20:58] <tedg> slangasek, And then ARM is uboot no matter if it's crazy MS thing or not?
[20:58] <slangasek> tedg: if it's crazy MS thing, we don't get to boot on it anyway on ARM ;)
[20:59] <BenC> Unpacking libschroedinger-1.0-0:powerpc (from .../libschroedinger-1.0-0_1.0.11-2_powerpc.deb) ...
[20:59] <tedg> Heh, great.  Reduces the amount of work for me!  ;-)
[20:59] <BenC> I'm certain I'm in unfamiliar territory now...
[20:59] <infinity> BenC: No, the armel build is very ARM specific, it's that it's building some bits for v7 when it shouldn't.
[20:59] <infinity> BenC: I just need to find some "free time" to hunt those down and purge them with fire.
[21:00] <BenC> infinity: Ah, free time…the days of my youth
[21:00] <tedg> slangasek, So is it possible that a system would have both efilinux and grub installed but only be using one of them, or would they conflict?
[21:00] <tedg> slangasek, Like at the packaging level.
[21:00] <infinity> BenC: Oh, speaking of porting issues and targetting the wrong CPUs...
[21:01] <infinity> BenC: I know you don't directly care, since your product is based on a Freescale CPU that, I assume, has Altivec, but when you're doing PPC fixes here and there, can you look out for things enabling Altivec by default and disable that? :P
[21:01] <infinity> BenC: (Of course, if it's runtime selection, that's perfectly cool, just not build-time)
[21:01] <BenC> Actually, I've run into that already, and this particular CPU doesn't have altivec
[21:01] <infinity> BenC: Oh, snazzy.  Then you're on my side.  Good.
[21:01] <hallyn> infinity: does that mean you know where to look for the tbird and ffox armel FTBFS?
[21:01] <slangasek> tedg: they would not conflict at the packaging level...the actual in-use bootloader gets written to a special EFI boot partition
[21:02] <infinity> hallyn: Yeah, I know vaguely what's wrong, I just haven't had the time to fix it.
[21:02] <BenC> So I'm killing them softly, as if they were -msse or similarly stupid things to have on ppc
[21:02] <infinity> BenC: Excellent.  If things can do runtime selection, obviously, that's awesome, but yes, thanks for killing the compile-time stupidity as you spot it.
[21:02] <hallyn> infinity: rockin', cause i didn't know how to tell if the code was wrong, or the toolchain flags (specified processor)
[21:02] <tedg> slangasek, So, how do I know which bootloader was used to boot the system?
[21:03] <infinity> hallyn: It's a twisty maze of configure breakage, nothing specifically wrong with the code.
[21:04] <slangasek> tedg: that's a good question
[21:04] <slangasek> tedg: but I'm not sure it's actually the right question :-)
[21:04] <slangasek> tedg: what is it you really want to know?
[21:05] <tedg> slangasek, Well, two things.  How do I determine if I want to change the boot parameters which one I should change?
[21:05] <slangasek> tedg: right - so I would say they *both* need to be changed
[21:05] <hallyn> jinkeys, libcommons-compress-java wants a non-existing package ( libxz-java )
[21:05] <tedg> slangasek, Then the other would be, how do I check to see if the last boot was successful.
[21:05] <tedg> slangasek, i.e. fail, then fallback, I want to report the fail.
[21:06] <tedg> slangasek, But, if I change both and call the "install" routine for both wouldn't that install each of them in order into the magic EFI partition?
[21:06] <slangasek> tedg: ah - so actually, we're going to have a shim bootloader in front of all of this
[21:07] <slangasek> tedg: and *that* is the one installed to the magic EFI boot path
[21:07] <slangasek> tedg: and it will be <handwavy> able to detect whether SB is enabled, and select the correct bootloader based on this
[21:07] <tedg> slangasek, That's only in the Secure Boot situation, right?
[21:07] <slangasek> well
[21:07] <slangasek> how do you know a machine is in the Secure Boot situation or not?
[21:07] <tedg> Could efilinux and grub be installed in the non-SB situation?
[21:08] <tedg> I don't, I'm hoping you'll tell me ;-)
[21:08] <slangasek> you only know two things: 1) the machine we're installing on does or does not claim to implement Secure Boot in firmware, 2) Secure Boot is currently enabled
[21:08] <slangasek> do you want the machine to stop booting on a firmware upgrade?
[21:08] <slangasek> or when the user toggles the setting?
[21:08] <slangasek> if not, we need to start installing the whole kit'n'kaboodle whenever we're doing EFI
[21:09] <tedg> So I guess I need to know whether we're BIOS or EFI then?
[21:10] <tedg> Could a non-EFI system have efilinux installed?
[21:10] <tedg> Seems like they could...
[21:10]  * tedg is thinking bad things would happen...
[21:11] <hallyn> is there a way to tell who sync'd a particular package?
[21:11] <hallyn> don't see that info in the publish history
[21:12] <Laney> quantal-changes / api
[21:13] <Daviey> hallyn: Wanna write,  lp-sync-blame-and-finger-point-perhaps-berate ?
[21:13] <hallyn> trying to tell whether whoever syncd libcommons-compress-java was planning to sync and MIR libxz-java (which it now depends on)
[21:14] <Daviey> hallyn: Mr Page.
[21:19] <hallyn> ah thanks
[21:19] <hallyn> jamespage: are you working on sync request for libxz-java ?
[21:19] <jamespage> hallyn, nope - want me to?
[21:20] <hallyn> jamespage: libcommons-compress-java is currently waiting for it.  but that measn it'l lbe waiting until it's both sync'd and MIRd.
[21:20] <jamespage> hallyn, marvellous
[21:21] <hallyn> jamespage: so i dont know if libcommons-compress-java should be / can be built without it
[21:21] <hallyn> jamespage: but if possible, yes please :)
[21:21] <hallyn> eh, i personally prefer to try and build without it, but that sounds anti-java and probably impossible
[21:23]  * ScottK finds nothing against being anti-Java in the CoC.
[21:23] <hallyn> oh hey, look at that.  libgweather-3-dev is sitting in quantal-proposed
[21:23] <hallyn> i apparently need to read up, i thought q-proposed would mainly be used during freezes?
[21:24] <hallyn> ScottK: i just meant that i wasn't sure you could disable parts of a java package like that (as with configure flags during a regular build)
[21:25] <ScottK> Well, being anti-Java myself, I was just being careful to make sure we weren't starting to establish a precedent that being anti-java was somehow 'bad'.
[21:26] <hallyn> heh
[21:27] <hallyn> i don't admit to being anti-java, but am eccstatic jamespage is willing to look at it :)
[21:27] <stgraber> hallyn: -proposed is also used for transitions to prevent skew (currently the case for the eds transition)
[21:28] <hallyn> stgraber: in the case of libgweather vs evolution that sems to have failed :)
[21:28] <infinity> hallyn: sync request for libxz-java?
[21:28] <infinity> hallyn: Wouldn't it need to exist somewhere to sync it?
[21:28] <hallyn> infinity: it's in sid
[21:28] <infinity> Not by that name...
[21:28] <hallyn>  libxz-java | 1.0-1 | sid | all
[21:28] <infinity> Oh, that's built from xz-java.
[21:28] <infinity> Which is in Ubuntu.
[21:29] <hallyn> d'oh
[21:29] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ rmadison -S xz-java
[21:29] <infinity> libxz-java |      1.0-1 | quantal/universe | all
[21:29] <infinity> libxz-java-doc |      1.0-1 | quantal/universe | all
[21:29] <infinity>    xz-java |      1.0-1 | quantal/universe | source
[21:29] <jamespage> hallyn, so its just that it eithe needs an MIR or we need to disable it
[21:31] <hallyn> jamespage: yup
[21:33] <hallyn> robert_ancell: hi - i notice libgweather is in quantal-proposed.  is that just while awaiting some testing?
[21:33] <hallyn> (evolution's build is hung waiting for that version)
[21:33] <robert_ancell> hallyn, no, it just needs the archive admins to release it to quantal
[21:34] <hallyn> robert_ancell: cool, thanks
[21:34] <robert_ancell> infinity, who clears out quantal-proposed?
[21:36] <infinity> robert_ancell: Me, if your transition is done.
[21:36] <Laney> hm
[21:36] <Laney> why didn't the depwait get cleared by the quantal libgweather3-dev?
[21:36] <Laney> quantal-proposed*
[21:37] <infinity> It only got published recently, people might be impatient.
[21:37] <Laney> I guess I don't know how long whatever spells makes that happen are cast
[21:38] <infinity> Laney: They happen post-publishing, so there's a bit of an irritating delay.
[21:38] <hallyn> infinity: i'm pretty sure the FTBFS list i'm looking at is from this morning...  i'm afraide i have no concept how long one should normally wait
[21:38] <hallyn> don't mean to be a pest
[21:38] <infinity> Laney: dep-wait mangling is another thing on the long list of "could be done a lot better".
[21:38] <infinity> hallyn: I only let gweather through NEW a little while ago.
[21:38] <Laney> As long as it's not a bug with using proposed, I'm willing to not care
[21:39] <infinity> It *shoudln't* be a problem with pockets, since I'm pretty sure we've hit dep-waits that DTRT in security before.
[21:39] <infinity> But I kinda want to wait a bit and make sure now. :P
[21:39] <infinity> Oh, yeah, it's working.
[21:39] <infinity> You can tell from the other awesome LP bug.
[21:40] <infinity> (Trying to give-back a package that's dep-wait on something currently in the locked/being-cleared set causes a UI timeout instead of an error)
[21:40] <hallyn> yay, cjwatson has requested jbigkit MIR so i don't haveta
[22:35] <infinity> robert_ancell: So, to confirm, e-d-s-in-proposed is all done?
[22:39] <infinity> robert_ancell: gnome-panel being universally FTBFS could be an issue.
[22:39] <robert_ancell> infinity, I uploaded an e-d-s with a fix
[22:40] <robert_ancell> (it was a dependency missing on a -dev file)
[22:40] <robert_ancell> just waiting for publishing before rebuilding gnome-panel
[22:40] <infinity> robert_ancell: Check, I see that.
[22:40] <infinity> robert_ancell: So, it's safe to say that when gnome-panel's done, you're good to go?
[22:40] <infinity> (Well, gnome-panel, and evo...
[22:40] <infinity> )
[22:40] <robert_ancell> yup
[22:40] <robert_ancell> yeah, once all the gears have cranked
[22:42] <infinity> Alright.  When it's all built and published, I won't ask again, then, I'll just do.
[22:43] <robert_ancell> infinity, what is the criteria for moving from -proposed?  Just all the dependencies have built successfully?
[22:45] <infinity> robert_ancell: Normally, the criteria would be "it won't make anything in the release pocket break".
[22:45] <infinity> robert_ancell: Well, and "all arches have built".
[22:45] <infinity> robert_ancell: Thunderbird/armel gets a pass on that, since it's also not built in release.
[22:59] <cyphermox> infinity: I rather perhaps waiting a bit more
[22:59] <infinity> cyphermox: ?
[22:59] <cyphermox> libreoffice should theoretically also be rebuilt; I want to check on it
[23:00] <cyphermox> there's still going to be a few more packages that will need fixing after too
[23:00] <infinity> libreoffice is already 17 transitions behind, I'm not sure it matters here.
[23:00] <cyphermox> fair enough
[23:00] <infinity> Well, unless moving these packages makes libreoffice uninstallable.
[23:00] <infinity> If it does, then we have to wait.
[23:01] <ceti331> hi
[23:01] <cyphermox> let me finish up nautilus-sendto then
[23:02] <ceti331> Greetings, i'm trying to compile compiz\plugins\expo ; link error "cannot find -lcomposite" "cannot find -lopengl".
[23:02] <ceti331> any idea what i've missed ?
[23:02] <infinity> ceti331: apt-get build-dep compiz
[23:02] <ceti331> ok
[23:02] <ceti331> sudo apt-get build-dep compiz
[23:02] <ceti331> oops
[23:03] <ceti331> ok thats installing tonnes
[23:03] <cyphermox> infinity: libreoffice-evolution has no reverse-depends, it's probably fine
[23:04] <infinity> cyphermox: rdeps aren't the issue, it's if it becomes uninstallable itself.
[23:04] <infinity> Which it currently isn't, despite depending on NBS stuff.
[23:04] <cyphermox> well, libreoffice-evolution does have a versioned depends on libreoffice-core, so it would
[23:04]  * xnox did libreoofice-evolution ever worked?!
[23:04] <infinity> So, I don't see that changing.
[23:05] <infinity> cyphermox: Erm, I'm not sure I see how that would matter.
[23:05] <cyphermox> but I suspect very few people have libreoffice-evolution installed, since it isn't depended on by anything
[23:05] <infinity> cyphermox: I don't follow your logic.  Yes, all of libreoffice has versioned deps to the rest, so...?
[23:06] <cyphermox> so I'm getting mixed up in logic
[23:06] <cyphermox> l-evolution depends on libebook-1.2-12; that's what is going to be a problem
[23:06] <infinity> Sure, but libebook-1.2-12 is already NBS, isn't it?
[23:06] <cyphermox> I see that now
[23:07] <infinity> Yeah, it is.
[23:07] <infinity> So, as long as the new e-d-s libs don't conflict with the old ones, we're fine.
[23:07] <ceti331> Ok. still same problem. it installed a lot of new stuff; i did cmake in a new plugin build directory
[23:07] <cyphermox> infinity: libreoffice-evolution is already not installable.
[23:07] <infinity> ceti331: You might want to check the topic.  This isn't really the right channel for this.
[23:08] <infinity> cyphermox: That's patently untrue.
[23:08] <cyphermox> infinity: I certainly can't install it now
[23:09] <ceti331> whats the best channel
[23:09] <cyphermox> well, not without breaking a lot of things
[23:09] <infinity> apt-get install libebook-1.2-12 libreoffice-evolution <-- Works here.
[23:10] <cyphermox> infinity: it wants to remove evolution-data-server libfolks-eds25 here
[23:11] <infinity> Oh, because e-d-s breaks libebook-1.2-12.  Argh.
[23:11] <infinity> A) Britney appears not to check for that.
[23:11] <infinity> B) WHY DOES IT DO THAT?!
[23:11] <infinity> (The breaks, I mean)
[23:11] <cyphermox> yeah
[23:11] <infinity> I guess because the library depends on the server version.
[23:12] <infinity> Silly design.
[23:12] <infinity> So, yeah.  You're right.  libreoffice-evo is just busted anyway.
[23:12] <cyphermox> that particular thing didn't change in this transition though
[23:12] <infinity> So, we won't make it worse.
[23:12] <infinity> Sweetshark: Seriously, are we going to see a new LibreOffice soon?  It's falling woefully behind in several library transitions.
[23:15] <cyphermox> infinity: my guess is at least for libreoffice-evolution, if upstream hasn't done the porting yet (and I suspect they didn't), it's going to need a substancial amount of work
[23:15] <infinity> cyphermox: Has the API for libe* changed that drastically?
[23:15] <cyphermox> enough to be painful
[23:16] <cyphermox> enough that I spent four hours porting indicator-datetime with varying amounts of success, and gave up on evolution-exchange
[23:16] <infinity> Fun.
[23:17] <infinity> Stick apw on it.  He was a wizard with the libpoppler porting effort. ;)
[23:18] <cyphermox> evolution-exchange will get fixed by upstream, if it hasn't been already since yesterday
[23:43] <ceti331> whats the right channel for asking about a compile problem
[23:48] <jbernard> stgraber: I had restricted urcu's arch to only those supported at the time, so I matched ust and ctl to match.
[23:48] <jbernard> stgraber: bug now that I look again, there's no reason to set to all
[23:48] <jbernard> stgraber: ill make that change change will my next upload
[23:48] <jbernard> stgraber: which should be within the next day or so
[23:49] <jbernard> stgraber: er, there's no reason to not set to all. sorry


[05:35] <babbustaman> Are there any way of connecting outlook/onedrive account in the same easy way as google account? (through system settings - online accounts)
[05:57] <valorie> babbustaman: not that I know of, but now that gdrive is done, surely someone could write a plugin for onedrive
[05:57] <valorie> nice idea
[05:57] <valorie> you might advocate for that with the dolphin devels either in their channel or mail list
[05:58] <valorie> hmmm, or just in #kde-devel
[05:58] <valorie> doesn't seem to be a dolphin chan
[06:02] <babbustaman> k. thanks. will do.
[07:07] <Robner> hi
[07:07] <Robner> I have been searching the web and the repository via apt, but had no success
[07:08] <Robner> is there any open source "wireframe" software for Linux?
[07:08] <Robner> I must show a design idea for a website to somebody
[07:08] <deknos-M> i saw one promoted on hacker news/ycombinator
[07:08] <deknos-M> but i do not know the name
[07:09] <Robner> deknos-M, thank you - it's a starting point
[07:09] <Robner> deknos-M, I will add these terms to my google search
[07:10] <deknos-M> hth
[07:27] <lordievader> Good morning
 Good Morning!
[09:56] <lordievader> 👋
[11:36] <vidal72-M> hi, on kubuntu bionic clicking on *.desktop launcher file shows launch feedback icon for a while but then stops with no action. Launching apps from menu works. Any ideas?
[12:18] <user|24890> Hi, I have just installed kubuntu on my laptop, but i have an issue with the animations, they are laggy and make my laptop look like it has come from 1995
[12:19] <user|24890> whenever i move my mouse of select a new window, xorg goes to 90% cpu usage for a few seconds
[12:21] <diogenes_> user|24890, what graphics do you have?
[12:22] <user|24890> Nvidia 1050
[12:23] <user|24890> I tried fiddling a bit with the drivers but none really made a difference
[12:25] <diogenes_> user|24890, run: glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[12:25] <diogenes_> paste here the result.
[12:27] <user|24890> OpenGL renderer string: llvmpipe (LLVM 8.0, 256 bits)
[12:27] <user|24890> it's a single line
[12:28] <diogenes_> user|24890, that's bad and that's why you're getting lag.
[12:29] <diogenes_> user|24890, what kind of manipulations you did that you managed to break your gpu drivers?
[12:29] <user|24890> absolutely none, it's a fresh install
[12:29] <diogenes_> how new is the pc?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:29] <user|24890> the laptop is 2 years old (I'm on dual boot and windows works perfectly)
[12:30] <diogenes_> user|24890, pastebin the output of: inxi -G
[12:30] <diogenes_> but not here.
[12:30] <diogenes_> !pastebin
[12:32] <user|24890> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rRNDKmsgPp/
[12:34] <diogenes_> user|24890, and how you said you did "absolutey" nothing if you did something, you did try to install the nvidia driver and it failed.
[12:35] <user|24890> I don't remember doing that, though i did check the install drivers on install
[12:37] <diogenes_> it won't install the nvidia driver simply by checking a tickbox, in any case, i'd recommend to either purge the nvidia driver completely and if the pc boots fine, then we gonna see what we do further, if not, then re-installation.
[12:37] <user|24890> Okay ! Thanks
[12:37] <user|24890> i'll try that
[12:40] <BluesKaj> user|24890, is this an O?ptimus hybrid gpu laoptop
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Optimus?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> !Optimus
[12:48] <user|24890> Absolutely no clue. It's an MSI gl62M, so i'm gonna go with a no
[12:54] <diogenes_> it is an optimus.
[12:55] <Karesto> Okay (i'm the user|xx890)
[12:57] <Crell> Hi folks. Screen issue with 19.04. My computer is up and running, but when I plug it into an external monitor (USBC dock), I see only the background on both displays. The apps are still running and if I  undock it again I get everything back on the laptop screen, but nothing is showing up on either display when docked.
[12:58] <Crell> I cannot open settings, either, as that opens wherever the other windows are hiding so I cannot use it while docked.  I've not had anything like this happen in a very long time.  Any idea what to do with it?
[12:58] <Crell> Even the task bar is not showing, as it's presumably on another location off-screen.
[14:10] <aceoflove21> hello all/ admin
[14:11] <aceoflove21> can i ask my kubuntu 19.4 problems here ?
[14:57] <Sean99997> Hey there. I’m sorry if this is the wrong place. I’m need of a little help.
[14:58] <Sean99997> Can anyone shine some light on my machine and help me get back into login?
[16:52] <Karesto> Hi ! I'm back with more issues. Since my old install didn't work, i reinstalled it with different settings without drivers. And it's worse, kubuntu fails booting and shuts down if i do not boot in nomodeset, and if i do, i get the unable to bind to codec message. Any solutions ?
[16:55] <diogenes_> Karesto, boot with nomodeset and install the driver.
[16:56] <Karesto> I cannot boot with nomodeset as it just stops on the unable to bind codec message
[16:57] <diogenes_> Karesto, if you said it's a new install it means the live iso booted ok?
[17:01] <Karesto> Well i just installed it but i cannot boot it
[17:02] <diogenes_> so the live iso booted ok?
[17:03] <Karesto> I can install from it but not run it (gets stuck)
[17:06] <diogenes_> when you booted from usb, did you get to the desktop? you seen the wallpapper, the menu, the icons?
[17:07] <Karesto> Yes. No icons on the desktop, just the popup for the install
[17:07] <Karesto> And the wallpaper of course
[17:10] <diogenes_> that means the open source driver works well with your hardware. Did you pick to install 3rd party software during the installation?
[17:11] <Karesto> No
[17:12] <diogenes_> did you preserve your /home directory from the previous installation?
[17:13] <Karesto> (I did pick up the full version with apps and stuff)
[17:13] <Karesto> No. Erased everything on the partition
[17:14] <diogenes_> did you pick to update while installing?
[17:14] <Karesto> Yes
[17:15] <Karesto> I can try to reinstall without
[17:16] <diogenes_> well my theory is the update is the cause of your troubles because, if an iso boots fine from usb and you install it offline without any addons, then it will boot fine as well from your hdd.
[17:18] <Karesto> It still has the issue when i try the "try kubuntu" button it does end up stuck on a loading screen (kubuntu with 4 dots under it)
[17:18] <diogenes_> ohhh
[17:19] <diogenes_> that's what i was asking about.
[17:19] <diogenes_> in that case it indeed has issues with your hardware.
[17:20] <Karesto> It did happen to me before when installing the 18.04
[17:20] <diogenes_> what version you tried?
[17:20] <Karesto> Right now it's the 19.04
[17:20] <Karesto> But on the 18.04 one i managed to boot when i use the nomodeset option
[17:21] <diogenes_> so nomodeset doesn't help in 19.04?
[17:22] <Karesto> No
[17:23] <Karesto> It gives me this issue
[17:23] <Karesto> hdaudioC0D2: Unable to bind the codec
[17:23] <Karesto> That i am unable to solve
 Proud of the Kubuntu Team for Releasing KDE Plasma 5.12.9 soo fast!!!
[17:24] <diogenes_> Karesto, is that the last line it hangs on?
[17:24] <Karesto> Yes
[17:24] <Karesto> I ve waited about 15 mins
[17:26] <diogenes_> Karesto, try to boot without nomodeset, replace it with acpi=off
[17:28] <Karesto> Okay i ll do
[17:29] <denza242> Does KDE Connect require the versions to match?
[17:30] <denza242> i've been having trouble with it for a while
[17:30] <denza242> mainly that it won't connect
[17:34] <Karesto> It does boot. Mousepad doesn't work but i guess it's a driver issue. Do i try to install nvidia ?
[17:35] <Karesto> It seems smoother than before (even if it takes a bit of time to boot)
[17:35] <diogenes_> Karesto, first of all open driver manager and see what drivers are recommended.
[17:37] <Karesto> What s the command line for it
[17:38] <diogenes_> it's in the menu (should be), type driver.
[17:40] <Karesto> Nvidia driver metapackage from nvidia driver 390.
[17:40] <Karesto> Same but from 41i
[17:40] <Karesto> 418* (recommended)
[17:40] <Karesto> Using X.org server
[17:40] <diogenes_> get the recommended one.
[17:41] <Karesto> Done
[17:41] <Karesto> And then ?
[17:42] <diogenes_> did it install?
[17:42] <diogenes_> select and hit apply.
[17:42] <diogenes_> it will install it.
[17:43] <Karesto> It didn t say anything about install but i did hit apply and ok
[17:43] <diogenes_> screenshot.
[17:51] <Karesto> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/s88odUE9SC836xAXfBKK?signature=455f2d45e4b3fbac9a50f61291670b05a637598c8238bb3deec9de1c041be11b&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE1NjkzNDkyNjF9
[17:53] <diogenes_> Karesto, click ok and look for nvidia-settings in the menu.
[17:53] <diogenes_> wait
[17:53] <diogenes_> is the blue line done?
[17:54] <Karesto> Nvidia settings is an empy white box
[17:54] <diogenes_> the blue line is showing you the installation progress.
[17:54] <Karesto> What blue line ?that bottom line is just to scroll
[17:55] <diogenes_> did you scroll to the bottom?
[17:55] <Karesto> Yes
[17:55] <Karesto> I ll screen again to be sure
[17:56] <diogenes_> ok now reboot and boot normally without nomodeset and without acpi=off, also it would be better if you shutdown and then start it again.
[17:57] <Karesto> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/aBZTUjwrSNiymst9DJa8?signature=35f33de3c4e6df70bf43e4f2743a0ccefeb62b006b0538b72357059daaeba094&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE1NjkzNDk3NjB9
[17:57] <Karesto> There we go
[17:58] <diogenes_> ok shutdown, boot normally.
[18:02] <Karesto> Kubuntu logo appears for a few seconds then a black screen
[18:03] <diogenes_> Karesto, nothing more?
[18:03] <Karesto> Nope
[18:03] <diogenes_> ctrl+alt+f1
[18:05] <Karesto> I tried removing the nomodeset in grub (it was automatically there so i had my doubts) and now it seems like it booted !
[18:05] <diogenes_> Karesto, ok now run: cat /etc/default/grub
[18:06] <Karesto> Yes
[18:06] <diogenes_> find GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT, see if nomodeset is there.
[18:07] <Karesto> It is
[18:07] <diogenes_> run: sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[18:07] <diogenes_> remove nomodeset, hit ctrl+o, press enter, hit ctrl+x
[18:07] <Karesto> Done !
[18:08] <diogenes_> now run: cat /etc/default/grub
[18:08] <diogenes_> and paste here the entire line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT....
[18:08] <diogenes_> or a screenshot.
[18:09] <Karesto> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT = "quiet splash"
[18:09] <diogenes_> now run: sudo update-grub
[18:10] <Karesto> Done
[18:10] <diogenes_> now reboot again and it should boot fine, after reboot come back and we gonna check a few things.
[18:14] <Karesto> Yep. Working fine so far
[18:14] <diogenes_> run: glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[18:14] <diogenes_> paste here what you get.
[18:15] <Karesto> I'm back on laptop now
[18:15] <Karesto> what was the line ?
 run: glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[18:16] <Karesto> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GTX 1050 Ti/PCIe/SSE2
[18:17] <diogenes_> cool, now you are oficially fine.
[18:20] <Karesto> Yay ! Thanks a lot
[18:20] <diogenes_> yw


[00:07] <mwhudson> rbasak, nacc: i pasted a fairly horrifying but apparently working script to the bug
[00:09] <nacc> mwhudson: rbasak: tyvm
[00:09] <nacc> someday i'll find time to get back to it :)
[00:09] <nacc> rbasak: the nice part about your idea is that `uupdate` already does it for us (the unpack somewhere) ... we can control it a bit, possibly.
[00:10] <nacc> rbasak: alternatively, the user can provide us the tarball to use in theory
[00:43] <mwhudson> ararararagh the python upstream tokenize changes broke pylint it seems?
[03:38] <mwhudson> talking of the importer, it seems to be lagging, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/astroid/2.0.4-1 hasn't been imported 12 hours after upload
[05:41] <lathiat> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dh-python/+bug/1794229
[05:41] <lathiat> i created a bug for thjat
[05:41] <lathiat> maybe that was premature?
[05:41] <lathiat> just read the convo above
[05:42] <lathiat> (affects astroid and alembic)
[09:22] <alterjsive> is fake raid 1 supported by ubuntu?
[09:45] <sladen> alterjsive: mirroring, yes:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[09:52] <alterjsive> sladen: so if it stopped working , I should file a bugreport? I used fake raid 0 without problems for years. it just worked without any extra configuration.
[09:53] <alterjsive> out of the box
[09:53] <alterjsive> now boot fails after a kernell update.
[09:53] <alterjsive> if I switch back to my old kernell version, it boots fine.
[09:54] <sladen> alterjsive: okay, that is a bug, yes
[09:54] <sladen> alterjsive: what is the before-kernel (working), and the after-kernel (not working)
[09:56] <alterjsive> sladen: sorry, i'm not sure, it took me a while to figure out it's not my hardware. I thought it was just a harware faillure. I even bought new ssd's
[09:56] <alterjsive> sladen: I will file a bugreport tonight, thx
[09:57] <sladen> alterjsive: it needs hard facts ... version number before and after.  Exact partition arrangement, and how Grub is configured
[09:57] <sladen> alterjsive: yes, please file a bug in Launchpad with the instructions of exactly what happens
[10:01] <alterjsive> sladen: ok, will do.
[15:36] <alterjsive> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1794318
[15:38] <alterjsive> anything I need to add?
[15:40] <alterjsive> bbl going home.
[15:50] <xnox> alai, you didn't mention
[15:52] <alai> xnox, wrong nick i guess?
[15:53] <xnox> alai, yes, alterjsive quit by the time i did autocomplete.....
[15:53] <xnox> sorry
[15:53] <alai> np at all
[18:54] <mdeslaur> infinity, kees, stgraber, slangasek: tech board meeting in 5 min
[22:34] <xnox> doko, i am confused by python's autopkgtests.
[22:34] <xnox> e.g. test_tls1_3 (test.test_ssl.ThreadedTests) ... skipped 'test requires TLSv1.3 enabled OpenSSL'
[22:35] <xnox> is seen in python2.7 test, triggered by openssl, both of which are from proposed, and do have TLSv1.3
[22:35] <xnox> i wonder, if i'm missing something.
[22:36] <xnox> i'll retry all of them with all-proposed=1 but it would be nice to go over the "regressions" tomorrow, to figure out what's missing.


[04:22] <perlooooooooo> hello i would like to know what is th best way to interact with a database in java , except JDBC, is there any framework easy to use and easy to deploy?


[00:10] <erichammond> spicyWith (departed): Rather than address me (I'm in and out) spell out the whole question so that anybody on the channel can respond and provide support.
[13:05] <hallyn> kim0: I need to go run errands, but new updated spice packages are at ppa:serge-hallyn/spice2.  If you have time, please give them a shot!
[22:03] <hallyn> kim0: all right, this time for real :)  when it's done building, this version of kvm-spice is working for me (from local sbuild)


[18:10] <Schuyler> hello
[18:11] <Schuyler> can anyone tell me why 'sudo initctl start $job' might hang?
[18:11] <Schuyler> I'm trying to run a Ruby app using Thin and I'd like to use upstart to supervise it.
[18:13] <Schuyler> here's the /etc/init/app.conf
[18:13] <Schuyler> https://gist.github.com/661448
[19:03] <JanC> Schuyler: my guess would be that it doesn't detect that the app is running
[19:03] <Schuyler> it doesn't seem to even start the app.
[19:04] <Schuyler> if I run that /usr/bin/thin command line manually, it works.
[19:04] <Schuyler> upstream initctl just hangs.
[19:05] <JanC> did you check with 'top' or 'ps' whether it runs or not ?
[19:06] <JanC> there are some issues in the current release of upstart with detecting if a service runs or not
[19:45] <Schuyler> JanC, I think I got it figured out.
[19:45] <Schuyler> However, I had to reboot.
[19:45] <Schuyler> I ran strace and initctl was blocked on reading/writing to a socket.
[19:45] <Schuyler> it had hung on a call to poll()
[19:45] <Schuyler> rebooting fixed the hanging problem
[19:46] <JanC> if you have been trying different settings, upstart sometimes gets confused  ;)
[19:46] <JanC> at least, IME


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[01:02] <faraway> hi i run ubuntu-server 12.04.5. I have installed ruby-2 using the „brightbox“ repos. Now I would like to use the dep of nginx to install the latest version on nginx.
[01:02] <faraway> The problem I have now brigthbox also contains nginx and that that source is listed befor the one of nginx.org
[01:04] <faraway> As far as i understand i could use Pinning to set the priority, but I’m not sure how I would do that correctly
[01:04] <faraway> If i check the result with „apt-cache policy nginx“ it does not seem to work.
[01:15] <sarnold> faraway: apt_preferences(5) has the pinning documentation
[01:15] <faraway> never mind  found the problem did use the wrong information for Pin: origin
[01:19] <sarnold> aha :)
[05:42] <z1haze> can someone help me with finding a list of directories that begin with a certain name who's last modified date is longer than 2 days?
[05:43] <z1haze> i have come up with this so far: find . -type d -mtime +2 | egrep 'DIM_MYST*
[05:43] <z1haze> ' but i dont want it to be recursive
[05:44] <cryptodan>  -depth Process each directory's contents before the  directory  itself.
[05:44] <cryptodan>               The -delete action also implies -depth.
[05:45] <z1haze> so like -maxdepth 1 ?
[05:45] <cryptodan>  -maxdepth levels  Descend at most levels (a non-negative integer) levels of directories below the command line arguments.  -maxdepth 0 means only apply the tests and  actions  to  the  command  line arguments.
[05:46] <z1haze> are you literally pasting definitions?
[05:46] <cryptodan> man find
[05:46] <z1haze> i didnt come here to read a manual i came for more intuitive help
[05:46] <cryptodan> thats how you get help in linux is using the man command
[05:47] <cryptodan> and if you cannot find it there use google then come to chat here
[05:47] <z1haze> i understand what the descriptions say, i just am having trouble with interpretting it correctly
[05:47] <cryptodan> so I am sorry if I didnt satify you wanting the actual work done for you
[05:47] <z1haze> i didnt ask you to do any work for me
[05:48] <z1haze> never mind dude, thanks #ubuntu-server. always a pleasure
[09:46] <Guest6251> hi! I have a serious problem with 14.04 LTS.
[09:47] <Guest6251> Apache installed, no firewall. TCP port 80 is up and apache serves for 2-3 days (not large traffic)
[09:47] <Guest6251> after that all tcp connections stuck in 'SYN_RECV' state
[09:47] <Guest6251> and by all I mean all
[09:48] <Guest6251> no ping, no port80 afterwards
[09:48] <Guest6251> I have to reboot it, and it comes back working
[09:48] <Guest6251> what's worth checking?
[10:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:52] <xperia> hi all i am trying to use ipset on my ubuntu server but keeps getting the error message "ipset v6.20.1: Kernel error received: set type not supported"
[13:52] <xperia> before it worked however. what did get wrong ?
[13:57] <bekks> xperia: Which Ubuntu are you on exactly? And which kernel are you on exactly?
[13:57] <xperia> bekks: Kernel is 3.13.0-35-generic and Ubuntu version is 14.04
[14:02] <bekks> Maybe you should try the current kernel, then. Just run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and try again.
[14:07] <xperia> bekks: i got the tip from the netfilter people to check the dmesg log file and look what is written ! Damn the Module was not Loaded anymore => "Request for unknown module key 'Magrathea: Glacier signing key: a28db5fd6e299cce4947dacaa66f459db4acce24' err -11 ip_set_hash_ip: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout"
[14:07] <xperia> wtf !
[14:08] <bekks> No need to cuss :)
[14:15] <gblfxt> !! ubuntu server channel sullied w naughty language! how could you!
[14:16] <udit_> how i install this certificate mydomainname_com.crt COMODORSADomainValidationSecureServerCA.crt COMODORSAAddTrustCA.crt AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt on nginx
[14:17] <udit_> i am using ubuntu 14.04 x64
[14:17] <udit_> which command i use to install those certificate
[14:17] <udit_> i used comodo positive ssl
[14:23] <lnxmen> Hi
[14:23] <lnxmen> Would anyone help me with postfix and receiving emails?
[14:24] <lnxmen> I set home_mailbox to "/var/mail/"
[14:24] <lnxmen> But this folder is empty.
[14:25] <gblfxt> ... postfix is a mta, not retriever...
[14:26] <lnxmen> So, what should I install to receive mails?
[14:30] <xperia> lnxmen: courier or dovecot
[14:38] <lnxmen> xperia: Okay, thank you.
[14:38] <lnxmen> Do you think I may use this tutorial? https://rtcamp.com/tutorials/mail/server/postfix-dovecot-ubuntu/
[14:38] <lnxmen> (Yes, I want to configure roundcube also)
[14:40] <bekks> lnxmen: I'd use this one: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Mail_Server_setup
[14:41] <lnxmen> bekks: thanks, I will read both.
[14:41] <lnxmen> (firstly I am trying to understand what I am supposed to do.)
[14:43] <gblfxt> what is your purpose? you just trying to get mutt working and host a domain? :D
[14:43] <lnxmen> I am trying to set up fully working mail server with GUI.
[14:44] <lnxmen> But I always read tutorials before executing commands.
[14:45] <bekks> With GUI?
[14:45] <bekks> What do you need a GUI for on a mail server?
[14:45] <gblfxt> like squirrelmail?
[14:46] <bekks> Thats no "GUI" fpr a mailserver.
[14:46] <bekks> Thats a webbased mail user agent.
[14:46] <gblfxt> yah, mta on squirrelmail is madness!
[14:46] <gblfxt> im not sure you want a mta at all
[14:57] <lnxmen> bekks: roundcube?
[14:57] <bekks> lnxmen: ?
[14:57] <bekks> A full sentence would be helpful when asking questions :)
[14:59] <lnxmen> You asked "What do you need a GUI for on a mail server?"
[14:59] <lnxmen> I don't know if it's a GUI for mail server itself.
[15:00] <bekks> No.
[15:00] <lnxmen> Okay. Is that hm... web based user agent?
[15:01] <lnxmen> Generally, you know what I want.
[15:01] <bekks> Basically, yes.
[15:01] <bekks> No, we dont know that.
[15:01] <bekks> Do you want a webbased mail user agent or do you want to administer your mailserver graphically?
[15:01] <lnxmen> that first
[15:01] <ubuntuaddicted> time appropriate greetings
[15:02] <lnxmen> Sorry, for my mistake.
[15:02] <bekks> lnxmen: "that first" is an invalid answer to a question containing "or" :)
[15:02] <lnxmen> this *
[15:02] <bekks> ubuntuaddicted: time appropriate greetings back
[15:02] <ubuntuaddicted> i have a LAMP server running (Ubuntu) and I don't want mythweb to be the default web page. can anyone help me figure out why when I go to http://localhost that it takes me automagically to mythweb?
[15:03] <lnxmen> bekks: As you can see, English is not my native language. I need to polish it up.
[15:04] <ubuntuaddicted> i have multiple sites now, like owncloud and phpmyadmin so I think i just need to adjust some conf file but not sure which one
[15:04] <bekks> ubuntuaddicted: What else do you want to be the start page? :)
[15:06] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, i suppose just some dumb text file that says, welcome to ubu's server
[15:06] <lnxmen> Check /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf
[15:06] <bekks> ubuntuaddicted: And what is the actual goal behind that?
[15:07] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, the goal would be because people "may" find out my IP, i don't want it to auto show them what i have running
[15:08] <gblfxt> no goal! https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpatorjk.com%2Fsoftware%2Ftaag%2F&ei=PkCxVIvmE8nkoASx3ILwAQ&usg=AFQjCNGzACLjDY01jvntK_b3Sw2iXHqHQA&sig2=IJYf-mMEnsvovxM1V3R0LA
[15:08] <bekks> ubuntuaddicted: are you running that on a server in the internet - or at home?
[15:08] <gblfxt> terrible link, patorjk.com/software/taag/
[15:09] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, um, both.
[15:09] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, i have a linode server and i have a home server
[15:09] <bekks> ubuntuaddicted: And both are running mythtv?
[15:09] <bekks> Which server are you talking about, actually?
[15:09] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, no sorry, only the home one is
[15:09] <ubuntuaddicted> im talking about my home server
[15:10] <lnxmen> a2dissite 000-default.conf?
[15:10] <bekks> So unless you deliberately enable port forwarding in your router, your home network will not be exposed to the outside world. No need to worry.
[15:10] <ubuntuaddicted> i found 000-default-mythbuntu.conf. thanks guys
[15:10] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, i am forwarding port 80 for my owncloud server
[15:10] <bekks> You arent.
[15:10] <bekks> I just tried ;)
[15:11] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, not yet. lol
[15:11] <bekks> You dont expose anything to the internet at all - no need to worry.
[15:12] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, understood but i am exposing owncloud to the internet.
[15:12] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, try again
[15:12] <ubuntuaddicted> if you want
[15:12] <bekks> "Internal Server Error".
[15:13] <ubuntuaddicted> not sure what you mean. im in my lan and mythweb works. what are you attempting to access may i ask?
[15:14] <ubuntuaddicted> there may be a DNS entabglement because i'm in the process of doing a lot of things
[15:14] <ubuntuaddicted> *dns conflict
[15:14] <ubuntuaddicted> ownloud doesn't work and i know that. but mythweb "should" be working
[15:14] <bekks> ubuntuaddicted: I am just trying to access port 80 of the IP I can see for you.
[15:15] <ubuntuaddicted> can you PM me the IP you think i am please
[15:17] <bekks> ubuntuaddicted: I am just using the address shown by "/whois ubuntuaddicted"
[15:17] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, nmap -P0 to my home IP shows port 80 open
[15:18] <bekks> But either you misconfigured your portforwarding or you broke your webserver setup.
[15:22] <ubuntuaddicted> what's the ubuntu package for apache2 and mod_auth_host?
[15:23] <bekks> ubuntuaddicted: No package needed, but some more configuration needed: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/howto/access.html
[15:24] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, ok, i'm using Allow from localhost for mythweb
[15:24] <bekks> And you have to deny all the rest :)
[15:25] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, i guess i'm a little confused by apache2 and virtual websesrvers
[15:25] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, i have Order allow,deny first
[15:25] <bekks> Then you should not expose anything to the internet before you get all that working.
[15:26] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, agreed. thanks for the top
[15:26] <ubuntuaddicted> *tip
[15:26] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, as you found out, i wasn't forwarding port 80. :)
[15:26] <bekks> :P
[15:27] <ubuntuaddicted> thanks for the help
[15:27] <ubuntuaddicted> im in the process of switching from .htaccess to htdigest and it's fun.
[15:27] <ubuntuaddicted> *ssarcasm
[15:28] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, i thought ubuntu had some file for default It Works. that's what i remember years ago when I setup my first LAMP server
[15:32] <streulma> Ubuntu Server hangs in boot
[15:32] <streulma> maybe root-device not found?
[15:33] <streulma> hangs after Freeing Initrd memory
[15:42] <bekks> ubuntuaddicted: And what are you trying to achieve, actually?
[15:43] <bekks> streulma: Try booting without "quiet splash" kernel options.
[15:43] <streulma> bekks, that he does
[15:43] <streulma> but gangs
[15:44] <streulma> hangs
[15:44] <streulma> I did an fsck
[15:44] <streulma> and tons off Illegal blocks
[15:44] <streulma> and inodes setting to 0
[15:44] <streulma> there was a power cut
[15:44] <streulma> on vps
[15:44] <streulma> the data is on storage server
[15:46] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, host owncloud for collaborating with the my global clients, host a jitsi videobridge for global HD video conferencing, and be able to access my mythtv server from the WAN. for now.
[15:51] <udit_> how to create empty .crt file in ubuntu 14.04 x64
[15:54] <bekks> ubuntuaddicted: So whats your downstream/upstream bandwidth, just for my curiousity?
[15:55] <bekks> udit_: An empty certificate?
[15:56] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, 30Mbps/5Mbps for livestreaming to youtube and hitbox (undefined for when i move my nginx server to a datacenter) and another line that's 2Mbps/5Mbps for ubucraft
[15:56] <udit_> yes after creating file i enter the code
[15:57] <udit_> using nano
[15:57] <udit_> please help me
[15:57] <bekks> udit_: I am not interested in your internet server's bandwidth :)
[15:57] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, i have a lot going on so the answer isn't so straight forward
[15:57] <bekks> udit_: But 5MBit/s only for "global clients" and "video conferencing" is pretty low.
[15:58] <bekks> ubuntuaddicted: You have only one interbnet access at home, do you? So that question is answered very easily.
[15:58] <streulma> bekks 60/6 !
[15:58] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, it's enough for plenty of people where they send a 640x360 h264 stream to me
[15:58] <streulma> bekks: the most I must can from provider is 30 :D
[15:58] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, i have 2 internet lines
[15:58] <udit_> please anybody tell me how to create empty .crt file in ubuntu 14.04 x64
[15:59] <bekks> udit_: "touch filename.crt"
[15:59] <ubuntuaddicted> udit_, touch foo.crt
[15:59] <bekks> udit_: What are you actually trying to achieve?
[15:59] <ubuntuaddicted> udit_, it's probably best if you link us to the tutorial you're following so we have some context and can better help
[16:00] <udit_> i am try to setup ssl
[16:00] <udit_> comodo ssl
[16:00] <bekks> udit_: Then you dont need an empty certificate, but a valid one.
[16:01] <udit_> after creating empty certificate i add the code that given by comodo
[16:01] <bekks> Which sounds broken.
[16:01] <bekks> A valid certificate doesnt contain "code".
[16:03] <udit_> -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- +Q8FADiZNjui9DdjeHmWAeSIRGa0lGMw35VPqPUznBQYFf0wuLFTGD4XLzubTuq yITyO4WKdYenOvj5mRfLoca5ZGKtetmwfij1g+fsJAvdatViSuLdc/ZaQcgIyN0h 3WzFl9vVztDXoKKScjvJH3dy6AA22+zsApT3rnRBAjHzsbW0Vw+/HIIXYUxUohSJ wnG9IHhUrsYWUXbdbrDhKS+FTn/z31UaWyLqhGkXj42pQhvyeMvfGag6FgRYe52M howCzdiK6HnItuCI3inB8qV1zVkaJLsCAwEAAaOCAeEwggHdMB8GA1UdIwQYMBaA FJCvajqUWgvYkOoSVnPfQ7Q6KNrnMB0GA1UdDgQWBBROlpwFyEog46GdOrB370Q3 G3ZhVzAOBgNVHQ8
[16:03] <udit_> code is look like this
[16:04] <ubuntuaddicted> udit_, just my opinion, but posting your certificate on irc isn't a good idea
[16:06] <udit_> how i create mydomain_com.crt file and add this code inside it ? and the file should be in this /etc/nginx/ssl/
[16:06] <udit_> thanks but i don't add the full code
[16:07] <udit_> this is the small part of code
[16:09] <udit_> please tell me how i do it that
[16:11] <bekks> Open an editor, insert that certificate, and save it as your desired file.
[16:11] <bekks> No need to create an "empty .crt" before.
[18:15] <mucus> bam, here i am!
[18:15] <mucus> my server was hacked early this morning! :(  so i nuked it and am starting fresh! :)
[18:15] <mucus> what can i do to make sure my new install is real securelike?
[18:16] <Patrickdk> don't turn it on
[18:16] <mucus> i didn't
[18:16] <Patrickdk> I mean, the new one
[18:16] <mucus> -_-
[18:17] <Patrickdk> the moment you power on a system, it's insecure
[18:17] <mucus> barring that
[18:17] <Patrickdk> the moment you plug in a network cable, it's less secure
[18:17] <Patrickdk> don't run a webserver or any other service on it?
[18:17] <Patrickdk> the more stuff you open, the more insecure it is
[18:17] <Patrickdk> the more software you have to check and lock down
[18:17] <mucus> now let's suppose i /do/ want to host some servers on it.
[18:18] <Patrickdk> like what?
[18:18] <Patrickdk> we could spend the next 3 years securing your server
[18:19] <mucus> i want to run a mc server, forum/website software currently
[18:19] <Patrickdk> isn't mc closed source? no way to secure that
[18:20] <Patrickdk> the best you can do is chroot it, apparmor it, and anything else you can do
[18:20] <Patrickdk> same really for a forum/website
[18:20] <Patrickdk> it won't stop any of those from being hacked
[18:21] <Patrickdk> but should contain it, assuming you do update your server, and don't leave an exposed local priv escelation vaunerability unpatched.
[18:22] <mucus> hm
[18:23] <mucus> can't i create a virtual machine on the server and host my mc server there?
[18:23] <mucus> so even if someone gets in through it there's little they can do to truly muck me up?
[18:23] <Patrickdk> assuming your server supports it
[18:23] <Patrickdk> and that still doesn't close or stop soemthing inside the vm hacking into the host still
[18:23] <Patrickdk> just changes the paths of vaunerability to do it
[18:23] <mucus> i'm rather dense, and very green to all linux.
[18:24] <mucus> how's the lightest way to create a vm instance?
[18:24] <mucus> lightest/best/more secure
[18:24] <mucus> one or more of those options
[18:59] <pmatulis> mucus: maybe start with LXC containers
[19:00] <mucus> thanks!
[19:01] <ubuntuaddicted> Patrickdk, i just noticed your comment about not turning on a server if they want it secure. that's funny as hell and made my day
[19:02] <mucus> i also thought it was clever
[19:02] <ubuntuaddicted> mucus, im familiar with hosting mc. i'm the owner of ubucraft
[19:02] <ubuntuaddicted> owner, creator, the man. ;)
[19:02] <mucus> i'm starting a small roleplay server
[19:03] <ubuntuaddicted> mucus, ah cool
[19:03] <mucus> and setting it up to be unlike vanilla minecraft
[19:03] <mucus> what with dirt taking 7 minutes to break by hand
[19:03] <mucus> and swimming not getting you across large bodies of water
[19:03] <mucus> and other stuff
[19:03] <ubuntuaddicted> want to hop into my murmur server or teamspeak server to chat about it?
[19:03] <mucus> i dislike voice chat very much
[19:03] <ubuntuaddicted> text chat is so archaic but ok
[19:04] <mucus> text chat is newer than voice chat.
[19:04] <ubuntuaddicted> since it's very specific, maybe we should go into a private room?
[19:04] <ubuntuaddicted> no
[19:04] <ubuntuaddicted> we've been writing on walls since before caveman. lol
[19:05] <mucus> we've been grunting since before writing
[19:05] <ubuntuaddicted> xD
[19:05] <Patrickdk> not sure about that
[19:05] <ubuntuaddicted> im a realist. sometime too much so
[19:05] <bekks> Some people still grunt :P
[19:05] <mucus> i still grunt
[19:05] <bekks> ^
[19:05] <ubuntuaddicted> sadly that's true.
[19:06] <ubuntuaddicted> "some people still grunt" i was referring too.
[19:06] <ubuntuaddicted> mucus, anyway, so you want to host a spigot server on ubutnu 14.04.1?
[19:07] <mucus> i was already hosting spigot on 14.10
[19:08] <ubuntuaddicted> i would already suggest against that because 14.10 isn't an LTS release but that's just my opinion
[19:08] <mucus> ah
[19:09] <ubuntuaddicted> not to mention, depends what settings you have for apt on whether you break your server
[19:10] <RoyK> mucus: kvm vm's aren't very heavy
[19:11] <bekks> Depends on the config.
[19:11] <mucus> RoyK i'm liking the concept of these lxc containers
[19:11] <RoyK> mucus: you do until you try to make something like an nfs server
[19:11] <mucus> i don't even know what an nfs server is
[19:12] <RoyK> then that's not a problem ;)
[19:12] <RoyK> since the kernel is shared on lxc, not all things work as planned
[19:12] <RoyK> I just use KVM
[19:12] <RoyK> or vmware at work
[19:13] <RoyK> it's a little more overhead for real virtualisation, but IMHO it's worth it, the isolation is total
[19:39] <ubuntuaddicted> RoyK, lxc, where is this? i need this in my life. :)
[19:41] <Patrickdk> like on every linux kernel for awhile now :)
[20:31] <thor77> hi, i want to use this (https://github.com/munin-monitoring/contrib/blob/master/plugins/nginx/nginx_vhost_traffic) munin-plugin, but for this to work, the munin-user needs to read this files, what's the easiest way to achieve that? current file-permissions: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9707429/
[20:32] <thor77> *the munin-user needs to read the nginx-log-files
[20:39] <Patrickdk> munin-user should NEVER had to read that
[20:39] <Patrickdk> just fix your plugins
[20:39] <Patrickdk> you DO know how to USE munin right?
[20:40] <thor77> no
[20:40] <thor77> its not my plugin
[20:40] <thor77> this plugin cant work without the nginx-logfiles
[20:41] <thor77> what do you mean with "use munin right"?
[21:43] <pmatulis> a toast to those who grunt
[21:43] <mucus> grng
[21:54] <am11> hello, is there a list which tells which version of Ubuntu (or any linux distro) corresponds to which *default* version of toolchain (gcc, g++,gcc-c++, glibc)?
[22:02] <RoyK> am11: guess not
[22:02] <RoyK> am11: most distros update their gcc* things regularly
[22:03] <am11> RoyK: I am particualy looking for Ubuntu which is bind to gcc v4.5.x.
[22:03] <RoyK> hm... debian wheezy is at gcc 4.7
[22:04] <am11> The requirement is v4.5.x. Our code does not compile below it.
[22:04] <RoyK> ubuntu 14.04 is at 4.8
[22:05] <am11> Yes! which will defeat the purpose. The binary wouldn't run with old glibcs.
[22:05] <RoyK> seems ubuntu 12.04 is at gcc 4.6
[22:05] <mucus> what is gcc?
[22:05] <RoyK> mucus: the compiler
[22:05] <bekks> mucus: GNU compiler collection
[22:05] <mucus> thank you
[22:06] <RoyK> am11: guess 4.5 should be quite safe with most distros
[22:06] <RoyK> unless you're in redhat/centos land where rhel6 uses 4.4
[22:07] <am11> RoyK: we need to compile with minimum possible version, which is 4.5. And changing the gcc version is a real PITA. (except for if you are using fedora mock: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Using_Mock_to_test_package_builds  which doesn't have 4.5 either)
[22:07] <RoyK> but then, i guess rhel7 etc uses newer stuff
[22:08] <RoyK> I use RHEL/CentOS a lot at work
[22:08] <RoyK> but I don't like it :P
[22:11] <am11> RoyK: we have a nodejs parckage, which has C++ addon. so before publishing our npm we compile the binaries. For windows, VS2013 just do fine. For Mac, the univeral binaries. On linux however, if we build with glibc/gcc/g++/gcc-c++ later versions, it doesn't provide backward compat. So we need to compile with minimum version of glibc, which doesn't have problem with C++11 code we are
[22:11] <am11> using as well as provide massive coverage (especially servers running old CentOS 5.5, 6 etc.)
[22:13] <am11> last time we had to make alot of changes in the code to compile with gcc 4.4.7. Now we are confirmed that the minimum compiler requirement is v4.5, so i cannot find any distributn which has 4.5. It is either 4.4.7 or 4.6+. :)
[22:13] <am11> That is the entirety of my sad story.
[22:13] <RoyK> 5<6, so 4.6 should do
[22:14] <RoyK> what sort of software is this?
[22:14] <am11> 4.8 can also do it! but that wont work on older OSes
[22:15] <RoyK> 4.6 is rather old
[22:15] <RoyK> so it should work with most distros
[22:16] <am11> which means, there is no linux distribution which has gcc 4.5 without going to lengths of trouble to downgrade or upgrade or mock gcc.
[22:17] <RoyK> redhat/centos 6 has gcc 4.4
[22:18] <RoyK> and there's a lot of installed machines on those OSes
[22:19] <RoyK> supporting RHEL/CentOS 5 shouldn't be primary
[22:19] <RoyK> rhel5 will last another year before support ends
[22:20] <RoyK> omg, we've been infected by Stuxnet!
[22:21] <bekks> RHEL5 supports ends in 2017 :)
[22:27] <Stuxnet> This is not really a server specific question but if I've uninstalled a package why would the service still be listed in /etc/init.d? (albeit with a
[22:27] <Stuxnet> [?] status
[22:27] <Stuxnet> Do i need to purge it?
[22:28] <Stuxnet> nvm just answered my own question.
[23:44] <xperia> hi all. i have this iptables line => iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dports all -j myipchan that gives me this error message iptables v1.4.21: invalid port/service `all' specified
[23:44] <xperia> how can i fix that so i am still able to block all traffic from a ip adress on all ports with iptables ?
[23:53] <bekks> Block the IP.
[23:53] <bekks> You dont have to specify any ports.