[08:43] <Ninjas-Rezatm> you can't even tell that it's not Windows
[08:43] <badger> Ninjas-Rezatm, so it kept locking up?
[08:44] <jpvcx> Ninjas-Rezatm:does battle-net work?
[08:46] <joolz> jpvcx: the old theme works nicely. Hope it will not give any troubles, it has exactly the same name as the new one, and both are visible in the list
[08:46] <joolz> o well, if it stops someday i allways have runlevel 3 left :)
[08:47] <jpvcx> i haven't had any problems with the old theme...yet ^_^
[08:48] <bestadvocate> i want to get warcraft
[08:48] <bestadvocate> cant wait i bought some linux games there getting shiped to me :]
[08:49] <joolz> bestadvocate: nice :) I hope soomeday there will be quake 1 debs. q2 is nice and all, but not really the real thing imo
[08:49] <bestadvocate> I still have Civ call to power from back in the day when i bought Corel Linux (my first install)
[08:51] <ob> so about ubuntu annoying tendency to assume i'm a UK english speaker...
[08:51] <ob> where do i fix that?
[08:52] <ob> because i don't mine spelling analyze with an 's', but my co-workers might.
[08:52] <bestadvocate> I would just speak UK english and talk about colours
[08:52] <Kamion> install with US English? :)
[08:52] <ob> i *did*
[08:52] <Kamion> what does 'locale' say?
[08:52] <ob> abiword, dia, and a few others keep resetting to UK.
[08:53] <Kamion> sounds more likely to be a lack of US English translation in those programs
[08:53] <Ninjas-Rezatm> badger: it works fine
[08:53] <badger> 8)
[08:53] <Ninjas-Rezatm> jpvcx: yes, battle net works, even 4v4 just fine
[08:53] <Kamion> it's not uncommon for the English text for programs to be written in either British or American English depending on the author
[08:53] <FLeiXiuS> http://madpenguin.org
[08:53] <FLeiXiuS> the connection was refused
[08:53] <FLeiXiuS> is the site down>
[08:54] <ob> when gecko becomes a kpart for konqueror, i'm going to kde.
[08:54] <FLeiXiuS> whoops, wrong channel :-P
[08:54] <bestadvocate> wooohooo! i got rythmbox to work!
[08:56] <bestadvocate> ok ob thats great
[08:56] <bestadvocate> i dont like kde any more (easyer to make gnome look at act the way minimalistic way i like it
[08:57] <bestadvocate> I really am not a fan of the gnome or kde browsers as is though :]
[08:57] <lrn> I want to install to my gnome an addon like torsmo
[08:58] <lrn> i want something good :)
[08:58] <bestadvocate> wahts that ?
[08:58] <bestadvocate> what is torsmo
[08:58] <lrn> its placed in the desktop and show's u the system info,file sysyem cpu usage etc..
[08:59] <jpvcx> like system monitor?
[08:59] <ThreeDayMonk> I have two sound problems.  Although sound is working, the gnome panel applet doesn't work any more (it used to).
[08:59] <lrn> jpvcx no
[08:59] <ThreeDayMonk> I installed KDE - is it likely to be connected?
[08:59] <lrn> its show's u the on the desktop background the system info
[09:00] <bestadvocate> anyone have a better OGG ripper than the default Ubuntu one, one with quality control?
[09:01] <lrn> bestadvocate and jpvcx look
[09:01] <lrn> http://img92.exs.cx/img92/1752/drago.jpg
[09:01] <Treenaks> bestadvocate: it's planned for sound juicer..
[09:01] <lrn> right side down...
[09:01] <Treenaks> bestadvocate: there's a "Coming soon" thing in there
[09:01] <jpvcx> lrn:aah looks cool
[09:01] <lrn> not my pc
[09:01] <lrn> but i want it
[09:02] <bestadvocate> Treenaks: I would use it if they had it, but 6 meg songs is rediculous, i need a replacement
[09:03] <bestadvocate> lrn: was your goal to make me salvate because you succeded
[09:03] <cbaoth> I'm having some problems installing ubuntu on my powermac G4. The keyboard doesn't work once the kernel is loaded... is there a work around? Regular debian-installer doesn't work either FWIW.
[09:03] <lrn> bestadvocate i did`nt
[09:04] <jpvcx> lrn:http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/ thats the offical website right?
[09:04] <bestadvocate> so anyone know a good quality control ogg ripper that I can get untill sound juicer improves?
[09:05] <lrn> hmm
[09:09] <bestadvocate> its quiet in here
[09:10] <LinuxJones> bestadvocate, grip is very good
[09:10] <bestadvocate> is that in univers?
[09:10] <LinuxJones> ya
[09:10] <bestadvocate> cool I'll try it
[09:11] <mirak_> i just broke my install, well a bit ago, i just reinstalled
[09:11] <LinuxJones> bestadvocate, it's been a while since I used it :)
[09:12] <bestadvocate> :/ well hopefully its got more features than sound juicer
[09:18] <Skif> hrm... soundjuicer doesn't seem to be fetching cddb information for my CDs... is there a setting somewhere I should be checking to make this happen?
[09:18] <bestadvocate> no its a problem i have had too
[09:18] <Skif> oh, drat
[09:18] <bestadvocate> my workaround is to just start the cd player
[09:19] <Skif> I normally use abcde, but it's choking on some japanese cd players
[09:19] <bestadvocate> and then copy the song titles by hand
[09:19] <Skif> s/players//
[09:19] <Skif> I wonder if that'll work with i18n
[09:19] <ThreeDayMonk> is anyone using a usb audio device?
[09:20] <bestadvocate> im rather upset with sound juicer myself right now, i think its included with Ubuntu just because its so minimalistic
[09:20] <Skif> Yeah
[09:20] <Skif> The only reason I'm even trying it is that abcde is completely deleting all japanese characters in the song titles, and that's less than ideal when that's all there is. :)
[09:25] <FLeiXiuS> Lots of people browsing the forums today
[09:25] <FLeiXiuS> :-P
[09:25] <bestadvocate> really
[09:26] <bestadvocate> Ubunut is number 5 on the 1 month distrowatch ranking!
[09:26] <bestadvocate> just passed up knoppix
[09:27] <jpvcx> 22 people, maybe i should register ;)
[09:27] <mirak_> and that is up from 31 from 6 moths ago
[09:28] <will> okay, if i want to compile a new kernel for ubuntu, can i use the debian HOW-TO as a guide?
[09:29] <bestadvocate> i would think so, but the people at ubuntu provide a bunch of kernals so you really dont have too
[09:29] <will> bestadvocate: where do i find these?
[09:30] <bestadvocate> do you use synaptic?
[09:30] <Kamion> linux-image-*
[09:30] <will> ah, good starting point! its just i need to tweak the HDD drive in my pc, as its causing problems
[09:33] <JoePenguin> i kept seeing ubuntu on the web and finally had to look into it
[09:33] <mirak_> joepenguin, its good stuff
[09:34] <JoePenguin> i'm using vanilla debian now, but i've been a little dissatisfied lately. I'm looking for something with a little more polish.
[09:34] <wm_eddie> Ubuntu has plenty of polish
[09:34] <JoePenguin> but debian-based would be good :)
[09:35] <JoePenguin> i'll give it a try, i think
[09:35] <wm_eddie> JoePenguin: But the official release should be on the 20th.
[09:35] <bestadvocate> Watch out for that crazy splash screen!
[09:35] <JoePenguin> oh. i'll wait a few days then
[09:35] <Dethread> yes
[09:35] <jbroome> it'll eat your BRANE!
[09:35] <Dethread> the splash screen is....weird
[09:35] <wm_eddie> I could do without the splash screen...
[09:35] <cbaoth> No point in waiting, you can just dist-upgrade to the release packages.
[09:35] <jbroome> the splash screen is ... pointy
[09:35] <JoePenguin> is that when booting, or installing?
[09:35] <wm_eddie> Since I use my laptop in class, I need something worksafe...
[09:36] <jpvcx> booting
[09:36] <jbroome> it's not goatse.  it's fine
[09:36] <bestadvocate> lol jbroome
[09:36] <JoePenguin> sounds like something i would want to turn off
[09:36] <cbaoth> Urrgh.
[09:36] <cbaoth> upgrade, not distupgrade. ;_,
[09:36] <JoePenguin> i like to see all my boot messages without a splash screen, or at least of the option.l
[09:36] <Kamion> JoePenguin: we don't have bootsplash (yet)
[09:37] <CraHan> ok so I'm running ubuntu :)
[09:37] <mirak_> joepenguin, go to ubuntu.org, the picture on the right is the splash screen they are trippin about
[09:37] <CraHan> but (obviously)
[09:37] <wm_eddie> JoePenguin: They are talking about Gnome' splash screen.
[09:37] <CraHan> when inserting a cdrom, gnome doesn't mount it and show a cdrom icon on the desktop
[09:37] <JoePenguin> wow... i went to ubuntu.org and firefox crashed
[09:37] <CraHan> I can automount usb CF cards either
[09:37] <Dethread> that's not good
[09:37] <mirak_> crahan, it does for me
[09:37] <CraHan> *can't
[09:37] <BeanDip> Hi everybody, I'm BeanDip
[09:37] <CraHan> mirak_: yeah it obviously should
[09:37] <mirak_> crahan, ill test it right now
[09:37] <sg> anyone know any good howtos for debian/ubuntu and wlan/powerbook?
[09:38] <BeanDip> I am a new Ubuntu convert
[09:38] <BeanDip> and a linux vet
[09:38] <JoePenguin> BeanDip: your name reminds me that i'm getting hungry
[09:38] <Skif> Actually, you want ubuntulinux.org
[09:38] <Skif> ubuntu.org is a very different site
[09:38] <mirak_> crahan, sorry, im a newb, i didnt kow that it should, i thought it was a ubuntu tweak
[09:38] <bestadvocate> lol joepenguin, you should report to firefoxes bugzilla
[09:38] <CraHan> mirak_: but someone telling me: "it works for me" doesn't really help me :), I know it works for others since I'm observing it as a problem
[09:38] <BeanDip> just wanted to stop in and say thanks to the folks developing ubuntu
[09:38] <wm_eddie> JoePenguin: I just went to ubuntu.org and my firefox didn't crash :)
[09:39] <JoePenguin> oh ok. the splash screen is the one with those three half-naked people?
[09:39] <Dethread> http://www.ubuntufaq.org is still down :(
[09:39] <bestadvocate> yessir
[09:39] <jbroome> you know I just booted ubuntu and the splash screen wrecked my car, killed my cat, and impregnated my girlfriend.  It truely is the devil.
[09:39] <JoePenguin> and the login prompt in the middle. it looks like they are inviting you in to an orgy or something :P
[09:39] <BeanDip> I only have 1 problem with ubuntu and that is exactly what JoePenguin just mentioned
[09:39] <Treenaks> jbroome: ah so THAT's why the default theme is called "Human"
[09:40] <mirak_> beandip, so change it
[09:40] <Dethread> yes...which is why I went back to the older human theme
[09:40] <BeanDip> WTF is up with that queer-ass theme this month?
[09:40] <bestadvocate> lol
[09:40] <wm_eddie> BeanDip: It's not queer...
[09:40] <BeanDip> mirak_: I did, but it took me by suprise and had my co-workers laughing at my laptop
[09:40] <BeanDip> :P
[09:40] <wm_eddie> quite the opposite I assure you!
[09:40] <JoePenguin> hehe
[09:40] <mirak_> beandip, hahahaha
[09:40] <sg> it's a cool theme
[09:40] <bestadvocate> well the girls are hot
[09:40] <sg> bit more sexy than a fat penguin ;-)
[09:41] <bestadvocate> nothing is more sexy than a fat penguin!
[09:41] <BeanDip> it's rate as not queer if the girls were showing as much skin as baldy
[09:41] <BeanDip> it'd*
[09:41] <Dethread> I liked that picture of "sabrina" they used to have on the wiki page :)
[09:41] <Dethread> good thing I saved it before they took it off :)
[09:41] <wm_eddie> Dethread: hehe
[09:41] <mirak_> who is sabrina???
[09:41] <wm_eddie> mirak_: You missed it.
[09:41] <JoePenguin> wasn't that a tv show?
[09:42] <mirak_> wm_eddie, :(
[09:42] <Dethread> not that sabrina
[09:42] <BeanDip> JoePenguin: It was an Archie comics character turned into an even more lame TV show
[09:42] <BeanDip> :P
[09:43] <BeanDip> I just installed ubuntu on my laptop and it seems some changes were made to the repositories since my desktop installation.  I now cannot install mplayer due to missing libraries.  Also I cannot install Kino or transcode for DVD and media authoring due to similar reasons
[09:43] <BeanDip> is this a known problem?
[09:44] <bestadvocate> i have no idea how you even managed to get mplayer installed the first tiem
[09:45] <jpvcx> Beandip:what repositorie are you using for mplayer?
[09:46] <BeanDip> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[09:46] <bestadvocate> I reccomend this backround with the human theme :)  http://users.mercyhurst.edu/rmoreh59/www/pics/Debian-3-1.png
[09:46] <jpvcx> change it to testing
[09:46] <BeanDip> bestadvocate: it just worked fine on the 15 systems I set up for clients
[09:47] <Livewire-> does/will Ubuntu have Enlightenment
[09:47] <Livewire-> ?
[09:47] <jpvcx> so it should be deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[09:47] <BeanDip> Livewire-: it does
[09:47] <bestadvocate> Livewire-: no
[09:47] <wm_eddie> Livewire-: Ubuntu only officially supports Gnome.
[09:47] <BeanDip> none of the e17 based apps exist in the repositories, but all of E16 is there
[09:47] <bestadvocate> Livewire-: gnome is the only one suppoerted
[09:48] <Livewire-> Why do i see KDE base in Universe?
[09:48] <BeanDip> you have to add the universal sources though
[09:48] <Livewire-> i dont like KDE btw
[09:48] <Livewire-> but theres bits of it floating about
[09:48] <wm_eddie> Livewire-: What's in Universe isn't supported.
[09:48] <BeanDip> Livewire-: then don't use kde
[09:48] <Kamion> Livewire-: universe == the rest of Debian that isn't in Ubuntu
[09:48] <Livewire-> i see
[09:49] <LinuxJones> BeanDip, have you tried MainActor ?
[09:49] <BeanDip> Kamion: universe == SOME of the rest of debian
[09:49] <jpvcx> Beandip:did that solve your problem?
[09:49] <Kamion> BeanDip: all of Debian main, as long as it built.
[09:49] <BeanDip> LinuxJones: I don't intend to use a non free app
[09:49] <Kamion> BeanDip: which happens to be nearly all of it.
[09:49] <BeanDip> LinuxJones: I'd rather use cinellera or Kino
[09:49] <LinuxJones> ya
[09:50] <Kamion> BeanDip: BTW contrib and non-free aren't actually considered part of Debian; they're merely shipped by the Debian project
[09:50] <bestadvocate> anyone else have problems with the ubuntu cd crashing when booted on laptops?
[09:50] <rublind> Anyone willing to help me with my sound problem?
[09:50] <mirak_> rublind, lol
[09:50] <rublind> mirak_ no one has helped much. :P
[09:51] <mirak_> rublind, i wish i could.....ia m sorry
[09:51] <Livewire-> does anybody know of a LiveCD with Enlightenment on?
[09:51] <bestadvocate> rublind, i dont know anything myself ether
[09:51] <BeanDip> jpvcx: We'll see, I'm in the middle of an update on this laptop as it is
[09:51] <rublind> It's alright.
[09:51] <BeanDip> I will try the testing tree in a moment
[09:51] <Tzalidar> i recently did a reinstall on my computer, and i wonder if i can install ubuntu from the preview release disc and then do a dist-upgrade, or do i need to fetch the release candidate disc and install with it?
[09:51] <mirak_> livewire. google search for "live linux distro with enlightenment"
[09:51] <jbroome> Livewire-: it may be an option on knoppix
[09:52] <bestadvocate> I know of a distro that uses Enlightenemt only Livewire
[09:52] <BeanDip> Livewire-: I believe Knoppix as E
[09:52] <Kamion> Tzalidar: either's fine
[09:52] <mirak_> tzalidar, dist-upgrade will work
[09:52] <Livewire-> bestadvocate .. Evil Entity is dead if thats what you are about to suggest
[09:52] <Tzalidar> great :)
[09:52] <Tzalidar> as i thought
[09:52] <mirak_> tzalidar, yes
[09:52] <Tzalidar> hmm, wonder if i should do a custom install? :)
[09:52] <bestadvocate> dead, when did htat happen ?
[09:52] <BeanDip> are there any mirrors for the ubuntu apt sources?  I'm only pulling a papthetic 35kB/s donload from them
[09:53] <BeanDip> pathetic
[09:53] <bestadvocate> gd all the cool distros (except this one)\
[09:53] <mirak_> does ubuntu support netselect????
[09:53] <wm_eddie> BeanDip: I get that speed from non official ones.
[09:53] <jpvcx> BeanDip:http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[09:53] <Despair> rublind: have you put snd_emu10k1 in /etc/modules.conf, and rebooted? and it didn't make a difference?
[09:53] <Livewire-> ages ago.. the lead programms stopped working on it regularly
[09:53] <Livewire-> the build off the website is from 2002
[09:54] <Tzalidar> hmm another question, can i make hotplug not load the modules for my onbourd sound card
[09:54] <rublind> I did, and that changed nothing
[09:54] <wm_eddie> I always get nearly 400KB/s from the official apt sources.
[09:54] <Tzalidar> because i want to use my audigy card as primary withouth fiddling
[09:54] <bestadvocate> *tear
[09:54] <BeanDip> rublind: what sound card are you using?
[09:54] <rublind> Creative Labs, Audigy.
[09:54] <mirak_> tzalidar, rublind, you guys should work together
[09:54] <BeanDip> I have an Audigy2ZS platinum Pro working perfectly under ubuntu
[09:54] <LinuxJones> Tzalidar, add the module names to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:54] <bestadvocate> (i never got it to install, too many bugs, but i kept waiting for a new release
[09:55] <BeanDip> what problem are you running into?
[09:55] <rublind> Hotplug fun as Despair put it.
[09:55] <Livewire-> bestadvocate #evilentity
[09:56] <mirak_> livewire, haha its empty
[09:56] <Livewire-> whats funny mirak_?
[09:57] <Livewire-> were you not reading
[09:57] <Livewire-> [20:53]  <Livewire-> ages ago.. the lead programms stopped working on it regularly
[09:57] <Livewire-> [20:53]  <Livewire-> the build off the website is from 2002
[09:57] <Despair> rublind: I got CL cards working for 2 other people with the /etc/modules trick. I can't see why it doesn't work for you. :/
[09:57] <mirak_> livewire, i see your point, i thought you were just pointing to the room, not proving its dead
[09:58] <bestadvocate> i told them to make the undead less dead
[09:58] <BeanDip> Anyone  else in here play with the multiverse?  there are some good apps in there
[09:58] <Livewire-> theres a few people in the channel who still want to create an unbloated distro with a few progs using Enlightenment
[09:58] <Livewire-> but they lack direction/time ect.
[09:59] <bestadvocate> i lack knowledge
[09:59] <LinuxJones> Is the Live CD based on Gnoppix ?
[09:59] <BeanDip> I know Rasterman, he lacks direction and time in the extremes
[09:59] <Kamion> it's based on Morphix
[09:59] <Livewire-> LinuxJones: Morphix i think
[09:59] <BeanDip> Enlightenment 17 is a looooooooooong way off
[10:00] <jacob> When will Ubuntu 4.10 be released ?
[10:00] <tseng> jacob: oct 20
[10:00] <LinuxJones> Kamion, great Morphix makes for easy re-mastering :)
[10:00] <BeanDip> jacob: oct 20 2010
[10:00] <jacob> tseng, thanks
[10:00] <BeanDip> :D
[10:00] <bestadvocate> Enlightenment 1.7 needs a multimillion dollar corporation to fund it for no reason with no personal benefits
[10:01] <Livewire-> is making ur own Morphix easy?
[10:01] <bestadvocate> i dont know
[10:01] <BeanDip> bestadvocate: 1.7 definitely would, but since .17 is where they are at, maybe it won't take so much
[10:01] <BeanDip> there's a BIG diff between DR.17 and 1.7 :D
[10:01] <lamont> speaking of the live CD...
[10:02] <Livewire-> im interested in having a Firefox/Rythmbox/GAIM Morphix
[10:02] <Skif> lamont: got one yet :)
[10:02] <lamont> anyone fetched and verified the working nature of the poorly-named http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/warty-live-20041018-16.iso
[10:02] <lamont> ?
[10:02] <lamont> Skif: you'd want the home edition.
[10:02] <rublind> Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found <-- what does that mean? >_<
[10:02] <BeanDip> I see a dir for hoary on the apt source servers, is it possible to dist-upgrade and start using it?
[10:03] <jpvcx> BeanDip:tried that, didn't work
[10:03] <Despair> rublind: probably that you need to manually reset mixer settings, because it stores&loads them by card number, not name
[10:03] <BeanDip> jpvcx: how badly did it hose your system?
[10:04] <Despair> rublind: other possibility is that you broke something and it's not loading sound modules before trying to restore sound settings.
[10:04] <rublind> Despair, how would I load snd_emu10k1 ?
[10:04] <jpvcx> BeanDip: it complained that it could find the package (i 'am going to try it again to see if something happens)
[10:04] <jpvcx> *could not
[10:05] <Despair> `modprobe snd_emu10k1` to do it immediately. add it on a separate line in /etc/modules to have it load at boot.
[10:05] <rublind> Okay.
[10:05] <rublind> That didn't change anything Despair. >_<
[10:06] <Despair> actually, should be `sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1`
[10:06] <rublind> Okay.
[10:06] <BeanDip> d
[10:06] <tolstoy> Folks, is there a way to get sbcl (common lisp) to install via apt-get?
[10:06] <rublind> My volume control thing still doesn't work.
[10:07] <tolstoy> I can get tons of common-lisp packages, just no compiler!
[10:07] <Despair> rublind: any error messages?
[10:07] <rublind> Sorry, the module and/or devices could not be found
[10:07] <rublind> Or something similar
[10:07] <tolstoy> I've tried looking for a package list on the web site, so far no luck.
[10:07] <Despair> it did that when you tried to modprobe it?
[10:08] <rublind> No.
[10:08] <rublind> It said nothing when I modprobe'd it, but when I go to volume control, to check on it.
[10:09] <lamont> rublind: let me kick sbcl for you: it's currently dep-wait sbcl. :-(
[10:09] <rublind> What? >_<
[10:10] <BeanDip> rublind you need to modprobe the following modules and add them to your /etc/modules   snd-emu10k1 snd-enu10k1-gp snd-emu10k1-synth snd-seq-oss snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss
[10:10] <tolstoy> lamont, you mean me?
[10:10] <will> hi how do i change MIME associations?
[10:10] <BeanDip> that will give you audigy support and oss compatibility for the badly behaving apps
[10:11] <tolstoy> lamont, is there a way for me to detect that there's something wrong with a package, you know, in case I want to report it via bugzilla?
[10:11] <tolstoy> lamont, I'm not quite "up" on the apt-* toolset.
[10:11] <BeanDip> it has worked on every audigy based system I've set up which is mostly what my friends and clients use
[10:11] <BeanDip> so try that and tell me if it works
[10:11] <rublind> Okay, one minute.
[10:12] <Despair> BeanDip: ubuntu happily loads all those for me, without any tinkering. his problem is that hotplug is finding his builtin sound which he doesn't want to use, and setting that as primary device, and a lot of dumb apps are insisting on outputting sound to it, rather than the one he wants to use.
[10:13] <BeanDip> rublind: did you happen to disable your onboard sound card in the system bios?
[10:14] <Tzalidar> BeanDip, can i do that?
[10:14] <Tzalidar> that would be great, cuz i never use my onboard sound
[10:14] <Tzalidar> so on some distros (like ubuntu) where it is detected, it creates a lot of trouble
[10:14] <rublind> BeanDip, I looked.
[10:14] <rublind> There was no option.
[10:15] <will> any one know how to change file type associations under gnome?
[10:15] <subterrific> if you switch everything over to using ALSA, you can set which sound card is the default
[10:15] <BeanDip> Most sytem Bios options include one for enabling/disabling onboard sound
[10:15] <rublind> And when I did modprobe snd-emu10k1-gp it said snd_emu10k1_gp not found
[10:15] <Despair> Tzalidar: is your onboard sound using the `snd_intel8x0` module? if so, you can just add `snd_intel8x0` to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, and it shouldn't autoload anymore.
[10:15] <rublind> My bios is retarded. >_<
[10:15] <BeanDip> also you can specify which soundcard is used as the primary with an alias in /etc/modprobe.conf
[10:15] <Tzalidar> BeanDip: HORRAY! :)
[10:15] <rublind> Uh, okay.
[10:16] <BeanDip> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=MultipleCards
[10:16] <Tzalidar> great! :)
[10:16] <BeanDip> read that link to learn how to use multiple soundcards under linux and specify the order in which they are laoded and used
[10:16] <Tzalidar> i'll install ubuntu tomorrow i think, reinstalled my computer yesterday
[10:16] <BeanDip> if you still need help with it, I'll start sticking around this channel or you can find me on EFNet in #linuxwarez
[10:17] <will> DOES any one know how to change file type associations under gnome?
[10:17] <Tzalidar> thankz
[10:17] <wm_eddie> #linuxwarez?
[10:17] <wm_eddie> that's sad...
[10:17] <rublind> Thanks BeanDip
[10:17] <subterrific> will: right-click on file->properties->open with
[10:18] <BeanDip> wm_eddie: It's not a "warez" piracy channel
[10:18] <will> subterrific: i want to change a lot!
[10:18] <BeanDip> #linuxwarez is a channel dating back to 1994
[10:18] <wm_eddie> Gnome's 2.8's open with is strange.
[10:18] <wm_eddie> oh wow.
[10:18] <subterrific> will: that will change it for every file of that type
[10:18] <wm_eddie> Gnome's 2.6 open with was awesome, but really complicated.
[10:19] <bestadvocate> why do people keep postulating that Gnome is dead?
[10:19] <will> subterific: Thanks!
[10:19] <Tzalidar> hmm, first thing i need to test is if my usb stick gets mounted automagically :)
[10:19] <Tzalidar> that would be very cool :)
[10:19] <wm_eddie> bestadvocate: where?
[10:19] <BeanDip> the folks in #linuxwarez are some of the smartest and most helpful linux experts around, albeit the commeradery has grown between us to the point where it has become a daily hangout and talk-shit to eachother forum, but we are pretty much some of the most knowledgable linux folks on IRC
[10:19] <wm_eddie> Tzalidar: When you are installing have the usbsitck pluged in, and maybe it will.
[10:20] <bestadvocate> (one seccond booting google
[10:20] <BeanDip> wm_eddie: if you are looking for linux "warez" try #tuxwarez on EFNet
[10:20] <subterrific> wm_eddie: no need, it will work just fine
[10:21] <subterrific> the ubuntu kernel has everything enabled as a module
[10:21] <Tzalidar> mw_eddie, cool
[10:21] <BeanDip> Tzalidar: your USB Stick should, if it doesn't you can ask me and I'll help you setup an fstab entryto enable it to automount
[10:22] <BeanDip> ubuntu and gnome will probably automount it and recognize it as a digital camera (that has happened to alot of folks I know)
[10:22] <Tzalidar> BeanDip; yeah, a friend of mine got his usb drive working and automounted
[10:22] <BeanDip> bestadvocate: can you teach me to "boot google"?
[10:22] <BeanDip> rofl
[10:22] <Tzalidar> i just love gnome :)
[10:22] <bestadvocate> yes yes i can
[10:22] <wm_eddie> I think Miguel de Icaza said it best "Gnome is like a fine wine."
[10:23] <Tzalidar> goodnight everybody!
[10:23] <bestadvocate> first you must find the google Operating system
[10:23] <bestadvocate> then you must istall it
[10:24] <will> what cann you use to play .qt (apple quicktime) files with?
[10:24] <wm_eddie> totem-xine?
[10:24] <will> nope
[10:24] <wm_eddie> With win32dlls :)
[10:25] <BeanDip> will: totem-gstreamer or mplayer if you have the qt codecs installed
[10:25] <BeanDip> the w32codecs
[10:25] <baHam> how to open .iso's on linux without burning?
[10:25] <bestadvocate> i want the google operating system with the google browser
[10:25] <wm_eddie> baHam: mount it.
[10:26] <jbroome> mount -o loop
[10:26] <JoePenguin> baHam: mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/somewhere/
[10:26] <will> beandip: thanks dloading now!
[10:26] <CraHan> so what's not working when I insert a cd and gnome doesn't mount it?
[10:26] <CraHan> hal recognizes the cdrom
[10:26] <CraHan> I can mount it manually
[10:26] <CraHan> hotplug is running
[10:26] <CraHan> and hal/dbus are installed
[10:26] <BeanDip> baHam: mount -o loop foobar.iso /mountpoint
[10:26] <CraHan> as is gnome-volume-manager
[10:27] <BeanDip> rublind how is that audigy card coming>
[10:28] <BeanDip> oh, nevermind he's gone
[10:31] <will> why is gstreamer so sh*t?
[10:31] <|trey|> will: its not, you just don't have all the codecs needed  :/
[10:32] <mac> hello, does any one know from where I can download ubuntu kernel source?
[10:32] <|trey|> will: gstreamer is by far the best media system I have looked at technically... just, codecs are lacking
[10:33] <|trey|> mac: umm... synaptic?
[10:33] <|trey|> mac: install linux-source-<uname -r>
[10:34] <mac> i don;t have internet access from my linux box, that is why I need the source to activate acm module for my usb modem
[10:34] <tolstoy> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/sbcl/  <-- and yet apt-get can't see it.  Hm.
[10:34] <baHam> root@ubuntu:/home/baham/ut #  mount -o loop /home/baham/Unreal_Tournament_-_Linux.iso /mnt/cdrom
[10:34] <baHam> mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[10:34] <baHam> root@ubuntu:/home/baham/ut #
[10:34] <tolstoy> Ah, no debs in that directory.
[10:34] <aitrus> baHam: modprobe loop
[10:35] <BeanDip> baHam: echo loop >> /etc/modules
[10:35] <BeanDip> the
[10:35] <BeanDip> then
[10:35] <BeanDip> modprobe loop
[10:36] <baHam> the linux ut installer is telling me to mount the unreal tournament for linux cdrom..
[10:36] <mac> thanks tolstoy, I found it in the URL that you posted
[10:36] <baHam> I mounted the iso on /mnt/cdrom0
[10:37] <baHam> you think it's better if I burn it ?
[10:37] <aitrus> baHam: maybe you should ask #warez
[10:38] <baHam> asdasd
[10:38] <baHam> :D
[10:39] <BeanDip> aitrus: let's asume he has an iso backup of his original cd and help him
[10:39] <baHam> right :D
[10:39] <rublind> Does vnc come with ubuntu?
[10:40] <BeanDip> if he's got a warez copy leave it to his cdkey to put a kink in his day
[10:40] <__daniel> baHam, if you're brave strace the the ut-installer and have a look where he looks for the CD :-)
[10:40] <aitrus> BeanDip: okay.  baHam, get your original out and put it in the drive
[10:40] <__daniel> rublind, vino should be capable of it
[10:40] <BeanDip> baHam: try making a dir /mnt/cdrom
[10:40] <rublind> Okay, thanks.
[10:40] <baHam> I borrowed to my cousin, aitrus :)
[10:40] <BeanDip> and mounting the iso there
[10:40] <baHam> i tryied BeanDip
[10:40] <baHam> I think i'll burn it
[10:40] <baHam> :| I'll delete my debian sarge cd-rw
[10:40] <baHam> :>
[10:41] <BeanDip> then give me root access on you box via ssh and I'll fix it :D
[10:41] <baHam> ahaha
[10:41] <baHam> :>
[10:41] <BeanDip> ;)
[10:41] <tolstoy> mac, is there a way to get sbcl to deb form based on the info in that directory?
[10:42] <baHam> what d u say.. ibook or pwrbook ?
[10:42] <toyowheelin> how do you unmount something after using pmount
[10:42] <BeanDip> pwrbook
[10:42] <BeanDip> umount
[10:42] <jason> What do you want it for baHam
[10:42] <jason> ?
[10:42] <toyowheelin> humm ok
[10:42] <jason> and whats your budget?
[10:42] <baHam> humm
[10:43] <baHam> have 700$ anyways :D
[10:43] <baHam> waitin for more money
[10:43] <baHam> just for normal use.. ya know.. chat, forum, and work stuff ;> i'd prefer ib00k
[10:43] <__daniel> bye
[10:44] <jason> well I'd recommend a 14" iBook unless your doing photo editing in PS or video stuff
[10:44] <baHam> reboot :>
[10:44] <jimi> hi there
[10:44] <baHam> jason, I HATE PHOTOSHOP
[10:44] <baHam> GIMP >>>> ALL
[10:44] <jason> video stuff as in video editing not watching movies
[10:45] <baHam> now I'm gonna reboot cu in 1 min
[10:45] <jason> you can easily do that on iBook and you have a rocksolid battery life
[10:45] <jason> with an iBook
[10:45] <jimi> hum
[10:45] <jimi> are there cool video authoring tools on linux?
[10:46] <LinuxJones> jimi, not really no
[10:46] <jason> there is one like movie maker
[10:46] <jimi> :/
[10:46] <jason> I forget what its called
[10:46] <jason> nothing like Final Cut or anything
[10:46] <jason> hopefully soon though
[10:47] <jason> Linux needs better content creation tools
[10:47] <jason> The Gimp is Photoshop
[10:47] <jason> NVU is not Dreamweaver
[10:47] <jimi> yep
[10:47] <LinuxJones> There is MainActor but it is supposed to be very buggy and costs 200 dollars
[10:48] <jason> and there is nothing for pro video editing
[10:48] <baHam> hey
[10:48] <baHam> k3b doesnt recognize my burner ;_;
[10:48] <overflow> howdy
[10:48] <toyowheelin> sup overflow
[10:49] <toyowheelin> did you get X working?
[10:49] <siretart> jason: NVU?
[10:49] <overflow> yes
[10:49] <toyowheelin> cool
[10:49] <jason> sec
[10:49] <BeanDip> jason and LinuxJones: there is a very good PROFESSIONAL video editing suite for linux
[10:49] <overflow> =D
[10:49] <baHam> k3b doesnt recognize my burner ;_;
[10:49] <overflow> but its somethnig wrong
[10:49] <overflow> i installed my ati driver from apt-get and the gdm everything works well but i can't get opengl working :(
[10:49] <baHam> something like k3b on gnome ?
[10:49] <baHam> ;_;
[10:50] <toyowheelin> :/
[10:50] <jason> http://www.nvu.com/
[10:50] <BeanDip> http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
[10:50] <jimi> BeanDip : ?
[10:50] <LinuxJones> BeanDip, don't say Cinellera please :D
[10:50] <Dethread> ;_;
[10:50] <BeanDip> Cinelerra IS THE SHIT
[10:50] <jason> awsome
[10:50] <baHam> jason, something like k3b on gnome ? ;________;
[10:50] <LinuxJones> BeanDip, does it do DV ?
[10:50] <jason> xCDroaster is good
[10:50] <BeanDip> LinuxJones: yes it does
[10:50] <BeanDip> and quite well
[10:50] <jason> but k3b owns all
[10:51] <baHam> it doesnt recognize my burner..
[10:51] <LinuxJones> BeanDip, I have only heard that Cinellera crashes all of the time.
[10:51] <jason> at all or in Ubuntu?
[10:51] <baHam> ubutnu..
[10:51] <baHam> on debian it did
[10:51] <BeanDip> baHam: try gcombust, xcdroast, or fireburner
[10:51] <jason> do you have universe in your apt sources
[10:51] <jason> ?
[10:51] <baHam> jason, sure
[10:51] <overflow> i installed my ati driver from apt-get and the gdm everything
[10:51] <overflow>                   works well but i can't get opengl working :(
[10:51] <BeanDip> LinuxJones: only on a system not setup correctly
[10:52] <overflow> i installed my ati driver from apt-get and the gdm everything
[10:52] <overflow>                   works well but i can't get opengl working :(
[10:52] <overflow> i installed my ati driver from apt-get and the gdm everything
[10:52] <jason> you need some packages for it to get to work
[10:52] <overflow>                   works well but i can't get opengl working :(
[10:52] <overflow> i installed my ati driver from apt-get and the gdm everything
[10:52] <baHam> jason, like ?
[10:52] <overflow>                   works well but i can't get opengl working :(
[10:52] <jason> sec
[10:52] <will> is anyone good with WINE here?
[10:52] <Dethread> overflow, stop that please
[10:52] <jason> cdrao for one
[10:52] <overflow> up
[10:52] <overflow> sorry
[10:52] <overflow> lol
[10:52] <baHam> will, what do u need
[10:52] <baHam> jason, apt-get install cdrao ?
[10:52] <BeanDip> overflow please learn to type rather than cut'n'paste flooding the channel
[10:52] <jason> just search for cd-r in Synaptic
[10:52] <jason> under name and description
[10:52] <will> i want to run a program.... and i get errors all the time
[10:53] <will> is there an alternative?
[10:53] <overflow> lol sorry to all
[10:53] <BeanDip> will: use crossover office and/or transgaming's Cedega if you want good/stable wine
[10:53] <overflow> really sorry
[10:53] <jason> which program do you want run?
[10:53] <jason> some just wont run under wine
[10:53] <jason> or anything other than a full blown lowlevel emulator
[10:53] <joolz> what is the toplevel script for x / gnome? I want to insert ssh-agent so i don't have to type my password so often
[10:53] <baHam> jason, what to do in synaptic ??
[10:54] <BeanDip> will you can always run vmware and boot windows under linux
[10:54] <BeanDip> joolz: ~/.Xsession
[10:54] <joolz> BeanDip: ah. thanks
[10:54] <BeanDip> if you are loging in through gdm
[10:54] <BeanDip> or if you are under gnome
[10:54] <BeanDip> just open the session editor
[10:55] <joolz> BeanDip: i guess gdm, it's a default ubuntu
[10:55] <will> beandip: can i boot a version already on my pc?
[10:55] <will> win98
[10:55] <jason> meh you need cdrao for K3b but it isnt on the Universe repository
[10:55] <BeanDip> joolz then just click Computer>Desktop Preferences>Sessions
[10:55] <LinuxJones> BeanDip, what do you mean not set up correctly ?
[10:55] <BeanDip> will, yes
[10:55] <baHam> jason, it recognises my pioneer burner on the left but when I want to erase cd-rw, on burning device there is nothing ..
[10:55] <jason> search google for a .deb
[10:55] <joolz> session editor won't work, it waits for a few minutes
[10:55] <baHam> jason, it recognises my pioneer burner on the left but when I want to erase cd-rw, on burning device there is nothing ..
[10:56] <jason> yeah I think you still need cdrao
[10:56] <baHam> jason, how is the package called
[10:56] <will> beandip thanks will try!
[10:56] <BeanDip> LinuxJones, that is a question you should field to the cinellera mailing list, I do not have the time to go into helping you setup a professional HD Video editing workstation
[10:56] <jason> http://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/
[10:56] <BeanDip> although I am available for consultation if you want to hire me
[10:56] <jason> cdrdao sorry
[10:56] <jason> I spelled it wrong
[10:57] <jason> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/cdrdao/cdrdao-1.1.9.tar.gz?download
[10:57] <jason> download that
[10:57] <sean_> I was hoping someone could tell me how to tell gnutella that I am not behind a firewall so that I can connect
[10:57] <jason> and compile and make install it
[10:57] <baHam> jason, i installed it by apt-get
[10:58] <baHam> jason, what to do now ?
[10:58] <tvon|x31> Is there a problem with the cdrdao package?
[10:58] <LinuxJones> BeanDip, well I didn't really ask you to do that heh
[10:58] <jason> thats weird I dont have cdrdao on my universe repository
[10:58] <baHam> you do
[10:58] <jason> maybe its cuz im on AMD64
[10:58] <baHam> cdrdao
[10:58] <tvon|x31> ah, possibly
[10:58] <baHam> maybe..
[10:58] <tvon|x31> It is in universe
[10:58] <baHam> what to do know ?
[10:59] <tvon|x31> or maybe restricted, but I suspect the former
[11:00] <jason> yeah I don't know why there wouldn't be AMD64 binarys
[11:00] <jason> thats weird
[11:01] <toyowheelin> jason, what binarys are you tring to find?
[11:01] <phin> hmmm
[11:01] <jason> cdrdao
[11:01] <tvon|x31> cdrdao toyowheelin
[11:02] <toyowheelin> humm
[11:02] <phin> i wouldnt mind getting these hostap drivers working
[11:02] <phin> but im not having any luck
[11:02] <mirak_> any apps in the repository to use my tv tuner card???
[11:02] <tvon|x31> tvtime
[11:02] <toyowheelin> xawtv
[11:02] <mirak_> thnx
[11:02] <tvon|x31> np
[11:02] <mirak_> which of the 2 is better??
[11:02] <toyowheelin> tvtime prolly
[11:03] <mirak_> kk thnx
[11:03] <jason> tvtime won't tune my channels right, I'm on Canadian cable and I have an ATi TV Wonder
[11:03] <mirak_> umm, i get this when i open snaptic Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:03] <tvon|x31> tvtime is better
[11:03] <jason> anybody have a similar prob
[11:03] <jason> TVTIME uses dscaler plugins
[11:03] <jason> so it is superior
[11:04] <baHam> jason,
[11:04] <tvon|x31> jason: tvtime works fine with me except that the channel numbers are off by 1
[11:04] <tvon|x31> dscaler plugins?
[11:04] <mirak_> can anyone help me????
[11:04] <jason> thats what it does for me too but the channels are not finetuned
[11:04] <jason> they are off by one too
[11:04] <jason> dscaler is a really good tv de-interlacer for windows
[11:04] <jason> it is amazing
[11:05] <jason> people use it in home theatre pcs
[11:05] <tvon|x31> ah
[11:06] <jason> although I wish it was ported to Linux fully
[11:06] <jason> it is open source
[11:06] <jason> but it is based off DirectShow
[11:06] <jason> cedega wont run it either
[11:06] <baHam> when I reboot sometimes the mousewheel works, sometimes it doesnt -_-
[11:07] <jason> has your xserver been crashing baHam?
[11:07] <baHam> jason, nope
[11:07] <jason> hmm...
[11:07] <jason> what does your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 look like?
[11:09] <baHam> jason, you realize that I cant paste it here, right ?
[11:09] <BeanDip> baHam: just paste the section for the mouse
[11:09] <jason> yes please
[11:10] <baHam> Section "InputDevice"
[11:10] <baHam>         Identifier      "Configured Mouse"
[11:10] <baHam>         Driver          "mouse"
[11:10] <baHam>         Option          "CorePointer"
[11:10] <baHam>         Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
[11:10] <baHam>         Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"
[11:10] <baHam>         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[11:10] <baHam> EndSection
[11:11] <joolz> ahh that's better
[11:11] <phin> irssi rocks
[11:11] <joolz> and ssh-agent works fine now. i gave it priority 1, gnome didn't seem to like that. With prio 49 it's ok
[11:12] <jason> baHam im not sure that is the same as my config and works fine for me
[11:12] <joolz> xchat is ok, but i like to screen the app so i can restore it later
[11:12] <baHam> jason, hummmmmmmmmmmmm what do U have ?
[11:12] <jason> the only extra option I have is:
[11:12] <jason>  Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
[11:12] <phin> i just like the simplicity of irssi
[11:13] <jason> other than that is exactly the same
[11:13] <will> where can i get VMware from?
[11:13] <phin> there website
[11:13] <jimi> from their website
[11:13] <baHam> jason, yours is plugged into the ps2 or usb ?
[11:13] <phin> you can download a free trial
[11:13] <jimi> and ask for a 30 day key
[11:13] <jason> usb
[11:13] <jason> it is an MX500
[11:13] <baHam> jason, which mouse do u have?
[11:13] <baHam> i have mx510
[11:13] <baHam> it should be the same
[11:13] <baHam> ;|
[11:13] <jason> yeah
[11:13] <jimi> has anyone got creative audigy working?
[11:14] <baHam> jimi, I got a SIS working, I dont think creative should be harder..
[11:14] <jimi> mine seems to work but with alsa, when gnome use oss -> no sond
[11:14] <jason> jimi: do you have the latest OSS and Alsa drivers
[11:14] <jason> ?
[11:14] <jimi> i dont know, presently i cant use ubuntu for another reason
[11:14] <jason> sudo alsaconfig
[11:14] <jimi> alsa mixer is ok
[11:14] <tolstoy> since sbcl is in "universe," I can't report its invisibility to apt-get on bugzilla.ubunto.com?
[11:14] <jimi> i got sound with alsa
[11:14] <jason> oh
[11:15] <jimi> but not with gnome and gnome apps
[11:15] <jason> I know this may maybe it is turned down with the gnome sound panel?
[11:15] <jimi> hum
[11:16] <jimi> i think its worse.. when gnome need sound, it use pc-speaker beeps
[11:16] <jimi> =)
[11:16] <jimi> (like warning or alert sounds)
[11:16] <jason> yeah you need OSS installed
[11:16] <jimi> how i do that?
[11:17] <jimi> its not by default?? alsa is in kernel, i would prefer alsa
[11:17] <jimi> i though oss was deprecated
[11:17] <jimi> anyway, it suprised me such common creative soundcard not beeing installed =)
[11:18] <joem> oss emulation via alsa
[11:18] <jimi> oh ok
[11:18] <jason> sudo apt-get install alsa-oss
[11:18] <jason> that should work
[11:19] <jimi> thanks! i will try that
[11:19] <jimi> :)
[11:19] <jimi> ( when install process bug will be fixed :ppp )
[11:20] <jason> what install process bug?
[11:20] <jason> do you get an error?
[11:20] <jimi> in base-install, linux-386 package cannot be installed when nework is plugged
[11:21] <jimi> (dependencies error)
[11:21] <jimi> daniels told me someone was working on that (after i let him see the install process log)
[11:21] <jason> oh ok
[11:21] <jason> I guess you'll have to wait then unfortunantly
[11:22] <jimi> yeah :/
[11:22] <jason> it isn't corrupt media or is this a common problem?
[11:22] <sean_> Whats the P2P program called that starts with an A?
[11:22] <sean_> the name starts with an A
[11:23] <jason> Azurous?
[11:23] <jsc> azureus
[11:23] <jason> Apollon?
[11:23] <sean_> THATS IT thanks Jason lol
[11:23] <jimi> its weird
[11:23] <sean_> what name do you use to launch it?
[11:23] <jimi> it is like corruped media
[11:23] <jimi> but unplugging network everuthing is fine
[11:24] <aitrus> sean_: it isn't going to be in the apt repo cause it requires java
[11:24] <jason> you have to compile it from source
[11:24] <jason> it is part of the KDE project
[11:24] <jason> I wish Ubuntu had fully working KDE
[11:25] <sean_> hmmm sure seemed like it installed it to me
[11:25] <jimi> why java apps are not in repo? java licence problem?
[11:25] <Dethread> yes
[11:25] <Dethread> get azureus at http://azureus.sourceforge.net
[11:26] <jason> azureus is just a bit torrent client
[11:26] <Dethread> yes
[11:26] <jason> is that what you want jimi?
[11:26] <jimi> hum
[11:26] <jimi> its sean_ thats looking for azureus =)
[11:27] <jason> oh my bad?
[11:27] <sean_> No Im wanting to get Appolon working
[11:28] <sean_> I installed it with Synaptic
[11:28] <jimi> appolon?
[11:28] <sean_> I believe thats what it was called
[11:28] <sean_> Im looking for a P2P Application that will work
[11:28] <jimi> which p2p networks it can connect to?
[11:28] <sean_> for some reason Gnutella says it thinks Im firewalled
[11:29] <sean_> anyone know why it would say that?
[11:29] <sean_> I dont see anywhere that you can tweak settings
[11:29] <jimi> is there default firewalling rules in ubuntu?
[11:29] <jason> can you set it to passive mode?
[11:29] <jason> or non-passive
[11:30] <sean_> I says its set on Leaf mode whatever that means
[11:30] <jimi> some p2p are not really usable without a port... like *mule
[11:30] <sean_> I have amule too but it says it doesnt have any servers
[11:31] <sean_> where do I find information about assisgning it a port?
[11:31] <BeanDip> sean_: are you running both at the same time?
[11:31] <sean_> no
[11:31] <jimi> here is a good server : ed2k://|server|<IP_ADDRESS>|4661|/
[11:33] <sean_> sweet thanks Jimi
[11:34] <jimi> if it says "LowId", it means your NATed or Firewalled
[11:34] <jimi> and need a rule to open or map the emule port
[11:36] <sean_> it connected right up
[11:36] <jimi> cool
[11:36] <jimi> =)
[11:36] <jazzka> which software may I use to burn a cd with files + .cue file ??
[11:36] <jason> k3b
[11:37] <jbroome> k3b is the answer to all your questions
[11:37] <mirak_> what is k3b???
[11:37] <jason> a nero clone for Linux
[11:37] <jimi> k3b, best cd burner =)
[11:37] <jason> it is awsome
[11:37] <jbroome> i think it does dvds too, but i don't have the hardware to try it out
[11:37] <jason> yes it does
[11:37] <mirak_> is it in synaptic??
[11:37] <jimi> it burns dvd fine =)
[11:38] <jason> I use it for dvds
[11:38] <jason> yes
[11:38] <jazzka> but installing k3b installs lots of libraries
[11:38] <jazzka> kde libraries
[11:38] <jbroome> which is why you use synaptic to do it. :)
[11:39] <WW_> Is there a gnome (or non-kde) equivalent of Kile (the latex editor)?
[11:39] <mirak_> will it update to the gnome menue????
[11:39] <mirak_> k3b that is?
[11:39] <jason> no
[11:39] <Dethread> Mirak, I had to do it manually
[11:39] <jason> you have to add it in
[11:39] <Dethread> but it's easy
[11:39] <jimi> i noticed apt-getting things does not update menu entries
[11:39] <jimi> :/
[11:39] <mirak_> yeah, i guess ill be able to figure it out
[11:39] <jason> the command is just "k3b" without the quotes
[11:40] <WW_> jimi: Some do, some don't. Depends on whether the package follows the desktop standard.
[11:40] <jimi> ok
[11:40] <Cube-ness> hmm.. can somebody help me figure out how to share a printer on a network? like using cups
[11:41] <cardador> WW_: check out Lyx
[11:42] <sg_> Cube-ness, have you tried using the Computer->System Config -> Printing
[11:42] <Cube-ness> uh.. what else would i use?
[11:42] <Cube-ness>  hehe
[11:42] <Cube-ness> i can get the printer woprking locally.. but cannot connec tto it form other computers
[11:43] <sg_> Cube-ness, linux or windows computers
[11:43] <Cube-ness> linux
[11:43] <Cube-ness> all ubuntu machines
[11:43] <WW_> cardador: Right, I forgot about lyx.  I tried it once a long time ago, and didn't like something about it, but I'll give it another try.  Thanks.
[11:43] <mirak_> will the remote control for my tuner card work with tvtime?????
[11:44] <sg_> Cube-ness, odd, do you get an error of some form?
[11:44] <Cube-ness> hmm.. the connection get refused if i try to hit the print server machine with a browser at port 631
[11:44] <Cube-ness> do i need to explicitly open up port 631?
[11:44] <sg_> Cube-ness, is it showing up in syslong - hosts.deny perhaps?
[11:45] <cardador> WW_: you really should, i use it on a regular basis and im very satisfied
[11:45] <WW_> Is the CUPS system in ubuntu set up by default to use network browsing?
[11:46] <Dethread> when I do "nmap localhost" it tells me, that port 25 (smtp) is open. why is this, and how do I turn it off?
[11:46] <Cube-ness> whats the format for hosts.allow to let local machine in?
[11:47] <sg_> Dethread, /etc/init.d/postfix stop
[11:47] <aitrus> Cube-ness: ALL : <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:47] <sg_> Cube-ness, you can test it with ALL: ALL but that's insecure
[11:48] <Dethread> sg_ thanks
[11:48] <Cube-ness> sg_, still refuses the connect
[11:48] <Dethread> one question though, why was this installed/activated by default when isntalling ubuntu?
[11:48] <jazzka> can gnome burn .cue files?
[11:48] <sg_> Dethread, that'll only stop it for now - you'll need to remove the symlinks in /etc/rc3.d
[11:49] <sg_> Cube-ness, nothing showing in syslog?
[11:49] <inklingx> Dethread: or run rcconfig and disable the postfix service
[11:49] <Dethread> alright, thanks
[11:49] <Dethread> I still don't understand though, why this is there in the first place
[11:50] <Dethread> k
[11:50] <Cube-ness> sg_, nope
[11:50] <WW_> Cube-ness: Maybe you have to edit cupsd.conf on the computer to which the printer is attached.  Hopefully someone here who knows more than I can tell you how!
[11:50] <sg_> Cube-ness, hmm you could look in the cups config file
[11:51] <inklingx> Dethread: postfix is enabled so you can see local mail to your root account (eg errors, output of cron jobs, ...)
[11:51] <Dethread> ah ok, thanks for the info
[11:51] <mario> is boot-admin (part of gnome-system-tools) in ubuntu?
[11:54] <gotd0t> hi
[11:55] <Cube-ness> hmm
[11:55] <zenwhen> anyone else have issues playing mp3s in rhytmbox in ubuntu?
[11:55] <Cube-ness> still not working
[11:55] <gotd0t> i still cant get my NTFS partitions properly mounted
[11:56] <inklingx> zenwhen: look at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[11:56] <sg_> Cube-ness, looks like you can edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf there's a location sectoin at the bottom.
[11:57] <sg_> Cube-ness, you'll probably have to restart cups after you'be changed it.
[11:58] <WW_> Cube-ness: I found a printed copy of a cupsd.conf file that I saved, in order to do the same thing you are trying... but I haven't tried it yet.
[11:58] <sii> ubuntu refuses to detect the sound card (ac97 compatible) in a dell inspiron 8600 if the parallel port is enabled
[11:58] <WW_> Cube-ness: It looks like some key lines are:
[11:58] <sii> is this something for bugzilla or should i just ignore it?
[11:58] <WW_> BrowseAddress @IF(dc0)
[11:59] <gotd0t> is there anybody in here who can help me set up ubuntu so i can have read access to my NTFS partitions?
[11:59] <WW_> ... and in the <Location /> ... </Location> section, you might need:
[11:59] <WW_> Allow From 192.168.0.*
[11:59] <WW_> (assuming that is the appropriate IP range for your network)


[01:01] <sforshee> Laney: the new kernel will be ready to copy as soon as armhf publishes in the ppa
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[02:29] <Kamilion> Just curious if xen is going to see an update past 4.11 in an SRU, perhaps to 4.13, or at least cherrypicking the python3 scripts landing?
[02:30] <Kamilion> no biggie, i'd prefer not to ship python2 on my iso spin though.
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[05:55] <vorlon> ^^ unsatisfiable python2 build-deps; but is seeded on server and has python-twisted-core as a revdep also
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[06:20] <vorlon> sforshee: linux-signed in the queue seems to be a binary sync from the ppa, but it needs to be a source sync so that it gets the archived signed binaries AFAIU?
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[06:25] <vorlon> ummm ok, I tried the copy again without -b and I still see binaries in the queue
[06:27] <vorlon> and it's trying to build now in the archive. alrighty then
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[14:37] <RikMills> can someone hint software-properties past the crash/7.2.8-1ubuntu1 test failures, or retry the tests if it is likely to now find the missing ddebs?
[14:41] <cjwatson> RikMills: is it just failing because ddebs.u.c is outdated then?
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[14:42] <RikMills> cjwatson: Unable to locate package linux-image-5.4.0-24-generic-dbgsym
[14:42] <cjwatson> RikMills: if so, it's about 80% of the way through a multi-day catch-up job; worth trying again at some point tomorrow
[14:42] <cjwatson> I'll mention here when I notice that it's caught up
[14:43] <RikMills> cjwatson: ok. I would just like a fix from that blocked upload is 1st RCs, but it is not absolutely crucial
[14:43] <RikMills> thanks
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[15:45] <mapreri> FYI, the above libreoffice-dictionaries is because of LP#1873511
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[18:36] <hggdh> just a question -- how long after release can we expect to have 20.04 available on Azure?
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[20:24] <bdmurray> hggdh: I'm pretty sure right away but check with philroche
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[21:42] <vorlon> bdmurray: do you want to rule on pyhamcrest + twisted?  they're seeded, but pyhamcrest ftbfs in main due to python2 build-dep and both of them need updated to drop python2 support to be maintainable in focal
[21:42] <vorlon> bdmurray: so if not updated, we'd be trying to drop python2 support in SRU if they ever needed an update
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[04:17] <bigjools> jtv: why would maasserver tests do this?
[04:17] <bigjools> ImportError: cannot import name oauth
[04:17] <bigjools> I can't reproduce in bin/py
[04:17] <jtv> Isn't that the python-django-piston problem?
[04:17] <jtv> Where _on our dev systems_ you got this error if you installed python-django-piston, but on Q/A systems you didn't?
[04:17] <bigjools> grar
[04:18] <bigjools> I'll remove the egg and see
[04:18] <jtv> We ended up with the hypothesis that it was caused by mixing buildout and packages.
[04:18] <bigjools> yeah
[04:18] <bigjools> buildout's copy needs to be junked,we can't use it at all
[04:18] <jtv> Still a load of test errors?  Damn.
[04:24] <bigjools> down to 11 failures, 6 errors
[04:24] <bigjools>     from testresources import FixtureResource
[04:24] <bigjools> ImportError: cannot import name FixtureResource
[04:24] <bigjools> hmm
[04:27] <jtv> Latest version on pypy is from January; still has FixtureResource in __init__.py as before.
[04:28] <jtv> *pypi
[04:28] <bigjools> python-testresources 0.2.4-1ubuntu1 doesn't have it
[04:28] <lifeless> Uhm
[04:28] <bigjools> wtf
[04:28] <lifeless> so check what that ubuntu1 upload is
[04:28] <lifeless> someone may have uploaded without sending upstream
[04:29] <lifeless> trunk is :
[04:29] <lifeless> revno: 60
[04:29] <lifeless> tags: 0.2.5
[04:29] <lifeless> branch nick: trunk
[04:29] <lifeless> timestamp: Fri 2012-01-27 17:59:50 +1300
[04:29] <bigjools> yeah it should be in 0.2.5
[04:29] <bigjools> I have the egg with it in
[04:29] <bigjools> why is my buildout not picking it up
[04:29] <bigjools> oh god
[04:29] <lifeless> 0.2.5 is on pypi
[04:29] <bigjools> it's not packaged, that's all
[04:30] <bigjools> but I  thought buildout would pick the egg over the installed package based on version
[04:30] <bigjools> seems not :(
[04:30] <lifeless> nope
[04:30] <lifeless> it trusts you have it all, if you allow it to use system packages at all
[04:31] <bigjools> something in my quantal upgrade must have pulled it in
[04:36] <bigjools> Down to: FAILED (SKIP=1, errors=7, failures=2)
[04:37] <jtv> bigjools: need anything reviewed for that?
[04:38] <bigjools> no, removing the package fixed itg
[04:38] <jtv> Well, any of the fixes you came up with?
[04:38] <bigjools> jtv: can you look at the top error here
[04:38] <bigjools> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1218063/
[04:38] <bigjools> yeah, starting on fixes now :)
[04:38] <jtv> See?  I've been waiting for a chance to get in on this :)
[04:39]  * bigjools grabs a sandwich, back in 10
[04:50] <jtv> That top error is a Django-specified method in our XMLField getting hit by a signature change.
[04:51] <jtv> Looks fixable.
[04:57] <bigjools> yeah
[04:57] <bigjools> also means blue squad is not on quantal :)
[04:59] <jtv> Review? https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/quantal-get_db_prep_lookup/+merge/125632
[04:59] <jtv> I'm trying to test it on a quantal canonistack instance, but having some trouble getting set up.
[04:59] <bigjools> ok
[05:00] <jtv> Did you get buildout complaining that it can't find lxml 2.3.2?  I'm trying 2.3.5 instead.
[05:00] <bigjools> nope
[05:00] <jtv> (My fix does pass tests on precise)
[05:01] <jtv> Could you be unwittingly benefiting from caching or something?
[05:01] <jtv> Like lxml 2.3.2 not being available for quantal, but buildout using your existing egg oblivious to the upgrade?
[05:06] <bigjools> running tests with your branch
[05:06] <bigjools> I have 2.3.2 in cache
[05:06] <jam> I'm trying to run just 'make test', but it is failing because testscenarios has no attribute WithScenarios.
[05:06] <bigjools> morning jam
[05:06] <jam> hi bigjools
[05:06] <bigjools> jam: hehe - see my email to maas-devel
[05:06] <jam> this seems to only be in 'maastesting' vs 'maasserver' so I can skip it
[05:07] <bigjools> are you on quantal?
[05:07] <jam> bigjools: this is on precise, though, not Q
[05:07] <bigjools> ok
[05:07] <bigjools> do you have python-testresources installed?
[05:07] <bigjools> if so remove it
[05:08] <bigjools> jtv: approved
[05:08] <jtv> thx
[05:08] <bigjools> passes tests now
[05:08] <bigjools> well, that one does
[05:08] <jtv> Damn, there goes my momentary elation
[05:09] <bigjools> jtv: although, it seems to have made the NoRabbit errors go away too
[05:09] <bigjools> no idea how!
[05:09] <jtv> Urr
[05:09] <bigjools> 2 failures left
[05:09] <jtv> Well don't complain.  :)
[05:09] <bigjools> both apidoc
[05:09] <jtv> Yeah
[05:10] <jtv> And suspiciously dependency-no-longer-works-the-way-we're-used-to-like.
[05:10] <bigjools> whut?
[05:11] <jam> bigjools: 'make' installs testresources
[05:11] <jam> so it is listed as a dependency
[05:11] <bigjools> ha
[05:11] <jtv> Oh joy my canonistack instance is full
[05:12] <jam> I don't have it from 'apt-get install', though.
[05:12] <jam> so I should do 'apt-get install' and try to match that version to the one for buildout?
[05:12] <bigjools> jam: oh that is fine
[05:12] <bigjools> no, you need the buildout one
[05:12] <bigjools> the one we need is not packaged
[05:13] <jam> k
[05:14] <bigjools> jam: so I have no idea why you get that error then, it works fine here
[05:14] <bigjools> you could see which actual file it's importing to make sure it's the one you expect
[05:17] <jam> bigjools: the isolation doesn't seem to be working properly.
[05:17] <jam> it is loading the system testscenarios (which was later than the buildbot one)
[05:17] <jam> I'm surprised it loads from system before loading from buildbot
[05:17] <jam> note that I need testscenarios for other code
[05:17] <bigjools> apt-get remove python-testresources
[05:17] <jam> so I can uninstall it for now
[05:18] <jam> bigjools: apt-get remove python-testscenarios
[05:18] <jam> not resources
[05:18] <jam> however,
[05:18] <bigjools> oh
[05:18] <jam> I will need it to do u1db tests
[05:18] <bigjools> we set up buildout to prefer system packages
[05:18] <jam> so if bin/test would load from buildout cache before system, my life would be better
[05:18] <jam> bigjools: isn't the whole point that buildout should override system?
[05:19] <bigjools> it does, if you tell it to
[05:19] <jam> (use system if it matches, but use the custom defined one if present)
[05:19] <bigjools> I mean, it doesn;t compare versions
[05:19] <bigjools> so if you tell it in buildout.cfg you want that package, then it'll use it
[05:19] <bigjools> unless it's already installed
[05:20] <bigjools> I think it was done like this to reduce the dependency on pypi, otherwise it downloads a lot of stuff
[05:20] <jam> bigjools: I have testscenarios 0.3 installed in ~/.buildout/eggs
[05:20] <jam> I also have 0.2? installed in /usr/lib
[05:20] <jam> but when I run 'bin/test' it loads the system one
[05:20] <jam> not the buildout one
[05:20] <bigjools> yes that's expected
[05:21] <jam> bigjools: I'm pretty sure the 'reduce dependency on pypi' was that it wouldn't download packages whose versions you already ha
[05:21] <jam> had.
[05:21] <bigjools> sadly buildout does not compare versions :(
[05:21] <jam> bigjools: it did for me with ipython-0.12 vs ipython-0.12.1
[05:22] <jam> when versions.cfg said 0.12 and I had 0.12.1 installed globally
[05:22] <jam> it would try to download until I updated
[05:22] <jam> the versions.cfg to point to 0.12.1
[05:22] <jam> now, possibly at *runtime* it doesn't compare versions
[05:22] <jam> but it does seem to at 'make' time
[05:22] <bigjools> jam: it didn't download because you had a system one installed
[05:22] <bigjools> it ignores versions completely
[05:22] <jam> bigjools: it *did* download until I made the version in versions.cfg match the system one
[05:23] <jam> I'm quite sure about that
[05:23] <bigjools> oh?  lifeless ^ ?
[05:27] <lifeless> ?
[05:27] <lifeless> bigjools: whats up ?
[05:27] <bigjools> lifeless: version thing you mentioned earlier
[05:28] <lifeless> bigjools: if there is a pth file or egg metadata
[05:28] <lifeless> bigjools: if there isn't, I don't think it can tell, and that will depend on the package
[05:29] <jam> so I think what you want is for the 'build' step to say 'if you have the version in sys.path, use it, else download to the egg cach', and then the 'run' step to say 'if it is in the egg cache, use it, else use the system one'
[05:30] <jam> just found out today that there is a 'great firewall of UAE': http://www.du.ae/Documents/Annex%201-IAM%20Regulatory%20Policy%20ver%201%200%2029July2008.pdf
[05:30] <jam> I was a bit surprised that online dating is one of the blocked sites.
[05:30] <jam> "social networking" is listed, but isn't that facebook/twitter/g+ ?
[05:30] <jam> and those certainly aren't blocked
[05:30] <jtv> Yeah, blocked in many countries though.
[05:31] <jam> jtv: yeah fb was blocked in syria for a while, might even be now with the fighting
[05:31] <jtv> Usually all kids and subversives know how to get around it, but “decent” people get kept out of the 21st century.
[05:31] <jam> jtv: well the first blocked thing is places that let you get around blocking
[05:31] <jam> but there are lots of ways to do that :)
[05:32] <jam> but VOIP is also prohibited
[05:32] <jam> I guess because phone calls are expensive here, and they want to keep their monopoly
[05:32] <jam> (something like $0.40/min to call internationally)
[05:32] <jtv> Here too, as are VPNs.  We've had Google's appserver blocked, dropbox, twitter, youtube...  The consequences of blocking aren't usually taken into account because the people who do this are rarely fully aware of what they're damaging.
[05:33] <jtv> Didn't the UAE also have Etisalad with its infamous *.com SSL certificates?
[05:34] <jam> jtv: the main carrier here is Etisalat (has been for a long time) I hadn't heard about *.com though
[05:34] <jam> that's pretty worrying
[05:34] <jam> my *specific* carrier is the only competitor Du, but that is just because of whatever region I'm in
[05:34] <jtv> Yup.  Issued for the purpose of censorship.  Trusted by all clients, at least until a recent surge of awareness.
[05:35] <jtv> My understanding is that typically these countries regulate their incumbent carriers' censorship policies onto other carriers as well.
[05:35] <jam> jtv: the ultimate MitM attack, carried out by your provider, and government approved.
[05:35] <jtv> CA-approved even.
[05:35] <jam> which is why when the government does it, it is so much scarier than when j-random-citizen tries
[05:36] <bigjools> quantal is doing my head in, no sound at all today
[05:36] <jtv> Time to start thinking about dual-boot setups.
[05:37] <jtv> So that you can track which of your hardware is really, natively supported in the upgrade before you commit fully.
[05:38] <jtv> I got a message saying that I may not have a usable desktop after the upgrade.
[05:39] <jam> jtv: there is some way to get raw content out of django, though, as I think we're trying to do that for the xmlfield
[05:39] <jam> (for the file storage discussion)
[05:40] <jtv> You mean you support a choice of encodings in the xml, without re-encoding for storage purposes?
[05:40] <jam> jtv: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/custom-model-fields/https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/custom-model-fields/
[05:40] <jam> jtv: actually, we are just trying to make it so we can run custom xpath_* queries
[05:40] <jam> which isn't directly supported by django
[05:40] <jam> but it sounds like something that would let you do bytea as well.
[05:42] <bigjools> jtv: what did you think to my packaging suggestion?
[05:42] <jtv> It may have been something to do with the dynamicism of field conversions in django.
[05:42] <jtv> bigjools: saw the thread, but didn't look too closely.  Which was your suggestion?
[05:42] <bigjools> jtv: you need to read it
[05:42] <bigjools> it's a little involved
[05:42] <jtv> OK, I'll dig it up
[05:44] <jtv> jam: when you write field conversions in django, you get very little information about what the intended conversion is.  Basically you get “a value,” and it's up to you to figure out whether that needs any conversion.  Sometimes the conversion seems to go in unexpected directions, too.
[05:47] <jtv> bigjools: your suggestion sounds good to me — but then I never got around to understanding the distribution of responsibilities between maas-dns and maas-dhcp.  Until recently I thought maas-dhcp was de facto the seedling of the cluster-controller package.
[05:48] <jtv> (Small note: the provisioning server may require maas-cli, since it uses apiclient)
[05:48] <bigjools> gah
[05:50] <jtv> Meanwhile, my experiments on quantal suggest that we need: https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/quantal-updates/+merge/125634
[05:51] <bigjools> jtv: why do we need bzr?
[05:51] <jtv> Ohhhh — that's the one Gavin added for now-unclear reasons, innit
[05:51] <bigjools> commandant
[05:51] <bigjools> I think it can go, I asked on the list earlier
[05:52] <jtv> In any case, 2.5.1 will break the build and 2.6.0b2 doesn't.
[05:52] <bigjools> 2.5.1 works here
[05:52] <jtv> Cached?
[05:52] <bigjools> well - it gets downloaded
[05:52] <jtv> hmmm
[05:52] <jtv> On a fresh canonistack instance it said no distribution found.
[05:53] <bigjools> nfi then
[05:53] <jtv> Ahh, I think that was before I ran an upgrade on it.
[05:53] <bigjools> also, why are we specifying precise versions
[05:53] <bigjools> why not > <version>
[05:54] <jtv> Didn't know you could.
[05:54] <bigjools> or >=
[05:54] <jtv> I guess ideally at this stage, we'd be tracking Quantal's versions.
[05:54] <bigjools> I'd rather not be specific
[05:54] <bigjools> we have to QA it either way
[05:55] <jtv> Doesn't that carry a risk of accidentally relying on changes that are newer than what quantal has/
[05:55] <jtv> ?
[05:56] <bigjools> no, because we have to QA it
[05:56] <bigjools> we should only get specific when a particular problem is found
[05:57] <bigjools> otherwise we'll forever be amending versions in buildout.cfg
[05:58] <bigjools> versions.cfg even
[05:58] <jtv> So… want me to slap in a bunch of “>=” then?
[05:59] <bigjools> we need to review it, but don't do it now.
[05:59] <jtv> OK
[05:59] <bigjools> your point above would equally apply to relying on versions that are less than quantals
[05:59] <jtv> I do find I need a newer lxml though.
[06:00] <jtv> Yes, absolutely.
[06:00] <bigjools> ok
[06:01] <jtv> What was causing that piston error about _is_string again?  You had a fix for that, right?
[06:01] <bigjools> yeah remove your local piston egg and cache
[06:01] <bigjools> we need to remove it from buildout and put it in required-deps
[06:02] <jtv> Weird.  This is on a clean system.
[06:02] <jam> jtv: I'd be interested in voice chatting with you about: https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/node-nodegroup-api-ui/+merge/125624
[06:02] <bigjools> the only use of bzrlib that I can find is src/maascli/__init__.py:from bzrlib import osutils
[06:02] <jam> just to get an understanding of that system, and review your code while I'm there.
[06:02] <jtv> jam: OK — but I'll need a few moments to prepare.
[06:07] <jam> allenap: you are using osutils.get_unicode_argv(), but it seems to be the only use of bzrlib
[06:08] <jam> Is there a plan to use more? Or can we just split out that code rather than bringing in all of bzr as a dependency?
[06:08] <bigjools> yes I was wondering the same
[06:08] <jam> right, so it was certainly useful for commandant
[06:08] <jam> but now that we aren't doing that
[06:08] <jam> the dependency is quite small
[06:08] <bigjools> allenap won't be around for about 2 hours though
[06:11] <jtv> jam: ready now — name your medium
[06:11] <jam> jtv: whatever is your favorite :)
[06:12] <jtv> Face to face over coffee!?
[06:12] <jam> jtv: that would be best, I agree
[06:12] <jtv> Deal.
[06:12] <jtv> Until you get here, I'll set up a hangout.
[06:13] <jtv> jam: I've invited you.
[06:14] <jtv> bigjools: removing my piston egg didn't help, and I don't think I have a cache.  Wonder what else could be going on.
[06:14] <bigjools> jtv: clean and rebuild
[06:15] <bigjools> well just make check will do that
[06:15] <bigjools> this definitely fixed things for me earlier
[06:36] <jtv> Not for me.  :(
[06:40] <bigjools> jtv: have you installed the quantal python-django-piston?
[06:40] <bigjools> it has the fix in it
[06:40] <bigjools> for sure
[06:40] <jtv> I don't even see it in my available packages.
[06:41] <bigjools> you need 0.2.3-1ubuntu2
[06:42] <jtv> Guess I need some repository that isn't configured.
[06:42] <bigjools> like quantal? :)
[06:43] <bigjools> it's right there https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-django-piston/0.2.3-1ubuntu2
[06:44] <jtv> This is a quantal instance.
[06:44] <bigjools> apt-get update
[06:44] <jtv> I wonder why it doesn't pick up the existence of that package.
[06:44] <jtv> Yeah, been doing that.
[06:44] <bigjools> how are you trying to install?
[06:44] <jtv> dselect
[06:44] <bigjools> ?!
[06:44] <jtv> Nothing there with “piston” in the name.
[06:45] <bigjools> apt-get install python-django-piston
[06:45] <bigjools> if you want to query availability, use "apt-cache search <thing>"
[06:45] <jtv> !?  How can that work in apt and not dselect?
[06:45] <jtv> Oh shut up.
[06:45] <bigjools> dpkg -l <package> shows if it's installed
[06:45] <jtv> I know about apt-cache search, it's just a hassle compared to interactive pattern searching.
[06:46] <bigjools> don't use dselect
[06:46] <jtv> But why doesn't it see the package?
[06:46] <jtv> Oh God it has its own cached package lists…
[06:46] <bigjools> NFI
[06:46] <bigjools> I don't even have it installed
[06:47] <bigjools> friends don't let friends use dselect
[06:48] <jtv> I've been used to it for about a decade.
[06:48] <jtv> I found it friendlier than aptitude.
[06:48] <bigjools> don't use aptitide
[06:48] <bigjools> aptitude even
[06:49] <bigjools> while it works most of the time, it does have a different dependency resolver to apt, and apt is the reference
[06:52] <bigjools> jtv: https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/fix-quantal-piston/+merge/125638
[06:52] <jtv> Some people swear by aptitude's resolver, apparently.  Again, I'm more used to apt's.
[06:53] <bigjools> it can offer some interesting resolutions to conflicts, but they are likely to break things even more.
[06:53] <jtv> Reviewed.
[06:53] <bigjools> cheers
[06:53] <jtv> Had some weird trouble with the “lxml >= 2.3.2” in Precise, will try in Quantal.
[06:57] <bigjools> oh?
[06:58] <jtv> The error is one of those things that make you go “yes, and…?”
[06:58] <jtv> «Error: Picked: lxml = 2.3.5»
[06:58] <bigjools> :)
[06:58] <bigjools> oooooo I know
[06:58] <jtv> Let's turn that smile up-side down.
[06:58] <bigjools> we have explicit versions turned on iirc
[06:58] <bigjools> bugger
[06:59] <bigjools> allow-picked-versions = false
[06:59] <bigjools> bugger
[06:59] <bigjools> why, I wonder
[06:59] <bigjools> we really need to start uding system packages more instead of pypi
[06:59] <bigjools> using*
[07:00] <bigjools> morning rbasak
[07:00] <bigjools> argh
[07:00] <bigjools> morning rvba
[07:00] <rvba> Hi bigjools.
[07:02] <jtv> Hi rvba
[07:03] <rvba> \o jtv.
[07:03] <jtv> Yes, rbasak does raise the suspicion of queue-jumping.
[07:08] <bigjools> I have to reboot, because plugging in new usb device seems to still have a bug that is now about 4 years old which makes the mouse disconnect >:(
[07:08] <jtv> It'll get triaged any day now, I'm sure
[07:09] <bigjools> srsly annoying.
[07:09] <bigjools> brb
[07:13] <jtv> rvba: would appreciate your input on the django incantations I applied here → https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/node-nodegroup-api-ui/+merge/125624
[07:13] <rvba> jtv: ok, I'll have a look.
[07:13] <jtv> Thanks
[07:32] <bigjools> rvba: did you see my packaging suggestion around clusters etc?
[07:32] <rvba> bigjools: not yet.
[07:33] <bigjools> rvba: check out maas-devel
[07:35] <rvba> Reading it right now.
[07:35] <rvba> jtv: I've reviewed your branch.  Looks ok but I've got a few remarks.
[07:35] <jtv> Thanks for the additional notes.
[07:37] <rvba> bigjools: I've made some experiments on how to route tasks in celery yesterday btw.
[07:37] <bigjools> rvba: cool, all ok?
[07:38] <rvba> bigjools: yes, queue creation works, routing ok, broadcast messages ok.
[07:38] <mgz> jtv: thanks for fixing the get_db_prep_lookup thing
[07:38] <jtv> np
[07:38] <bigjools> good - I played around a long time ago and it was ok in my experiments so good to hear you went well too
[07:39] <jtv> I'm happy at last to have validation for my habit of “if it's somebody else's signature, accept *args & **kwargs and pass them in the upcall.”  :)
[07:42] <bigjools> GNARGH
[07:42] <rvba> bigjools: btw, when running the test suite on quantal, I've got only 2 failures, all related to the api doc.
[07:42] <bigjools> usb disconnection AGAIN
[07:42] <bigjools> rvba: yes that is all that is left now
[07:43] <rvba> bigjools: not so bad after all then :)
[07:43] <bigjools> rvba: that's because we've been fixing them all day ;)
[07:43]  * bigjools reboots AGAIN
[08:17] <allenap> jam, bigjools: Yes, bzrlib's there just for osutils. I considered breaking out that code. It's a big dependency, but I think it's fairly low priority to fix that.
[08:28] <jam> allenap: i guess bzr=2.5.1 fails on Q because bzr-2.6b? is there
[09:13] <mgz> jam, jelmer: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1218325/
[09:31] <mgz> when do I need to care about django model identity...
[09:31] <mgz>         self.assertEqual(xmlbytes, Node.objects.get(id=node.id).hardware_details)
[09:31] <mgz>         self.assertEqual(xmlbytes, node.hardware_details)
[09:31] <mgz> not equivalent
[09:34] <mgz> what I want it seems:
[09:34] <mgz>         self.assertEqual(xmlbytes, Node.objects.get(id=node.id).hardware_details)
[09:34] <mgz>         self.assertEqual(xmlbytes, node.hardware_details)
[09:34] <mgz> bah! cp
[09:34] <mgz>         node = reload_object(node)
[10:51] <jam> poke mgz for great justice
[10:52] <jam> and jelmer for goodness sake
[10:53] <mgz> jam, just about to nip out, but nearly there (despite django) with setting cpu_count/memory
[10:53] <allenap> jam: Yeah, I think so. It's not able to arrange for an earlier version of bzrlib because we allow site packages.
[10:53] <jam> mgz: just curious where your db patch is at, since I cant evaluate tags until we have the column
[10:54] <mgz> ah, I still need to actually propose the branch...
[10:57] <mgz> jam: pushed to lp:~gz/maas/temp and I need to run
[11:51] <roaksoax> morning
[11:51] <roaksoax> rvba: is the webui only to be meant installed on the region?
[11:52] <rvba> roaksoax: yes
[11:53] <roaksoax> cool
[12:24] <jam> I'm running into something strange with django.piston and nested fields
[12:25] <jam> It doesn't seem to restrict the output to just the fields that are specified
[12:26] <mgz> jam: sounds like more joy
[12:26] <jam> mgz: I'm trying to confirm w/ macaddress_set since that was doing ('mac_address',)
[12:26] <jam> but I can't seem to get it to only return just the 'name' and 'resource_uri' of the tag
[12:26] <jam> of related tags.
[12:29] <mgz> jam: I can't get UPDATE to work at all in a raw query...
[12:29] <jam> rvba: ^^ Specifically, I'm trying to expose tags, but just saying "NODE_DISPLAYED_FIELDS = (..., 'tags')" means the full tag gets exposed.
[12:32] <rvba> jam: can't you apply what we've done with 'macaddress_set' (in DISPLAYED_NODE_FIELDS)?
[12:33] <rvba> jam: DISPLAYED_NODE_FIELDS= (…, ('macaddress_set', ('mac_address',)),…)
[12:33] <jam> rvba: that doesn't seem to do what we think it does
[12:33] <jam> I can't confirm mac_address yet, as I haven't found a test that actually tests the values in macaddress_set
[12:33] <jam> however, if I put ('tags', ('name', ))
[12:33] <jam> I still get all the fields
[12:34] <rvba> jam: let me have a look at the code.
[12:35] <jam> rvba: lp:///~jameinel/maas/tag-list-api
[12:35] <jam> has a failing test
[12:35] <jam> that shows what fields are being exposed.
[12:36] <rvba> jam: cool, I'll have look.
[12:36] <jam> rvba: and I see tests about 'POST_limited_fields' but none of them seem to test the actual content of the macaddress_set field, just that it exists
[12:37] <rvba> jam: indeed.
[12:37] <jam> rvba: and I do feel like what we are doing *should* work, from places like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2215352/django-piston-how-can-i-exclude-nested-fields-from-handler-results-is-it-even
[12:38] <jam> and here: https://bitbucket.org/jespern/django-piston/wiki/FAQ#!why-does-piston-use-fields-from-previous-handlers
[12:39] <jam> but that doesn't seem to actually work
[12:40] <jam> jelmer: any update to where you got to?
[12:43] <mgz> okay, I think I have code ready for the tag stuff now jam
[12:46] <rvba> jam: I don't understand why it does not work.  I'll have to put my hazmat suit on and debug piston.
[12:47] <jam> rvba: so at least I'm not crazy
[12:47] <mgz> ...now kapil will wonder why you want to dress up as him...
[12:48] <rvba> haha :)
[12:51] <jam> mgz: https://code.launchpad.net/~jameinel/maas/tag-list-api/+merge/125697 up for review
[12:53] <rvba> jam: I got it.
[12:54] <rvba> jam: it's using TagHandler.fields.
[12:55] <jam> rvba: which I thought the definition in NodeHandler is supposed to override it for exposing tags on node
[12:55] <jam> if you know a way to do it, I would be fine turning the tags attribute into a simple list of names
[12:55] <jam> rather than a list of objects
[12:55] <rvba> jam: let me investigate some more…
[12:55] <jam> but we are using the default 'get' handler, and I don't know how to easily override it.
[13:08] <mgz> jam: I have put up some branches for review
[13:10] <rvba> jam: It does not seem to be possible to do that with piston (I even found a fork on github which adds this possibility https://bitbucket.org/liberation/django-piston); the only way is by adding a custom method like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1218559/
[13:10] <jam> rvba: well, that change looks good to me, so I'll go with that. Thansk
[13:10] <rvba> np
[13:11] <jam> rvba: which is opposite to what I read https://bitbucket.org/jespern/django-piston/wiki/FAQ#!why-does-piston-use-fields-from-previous-handlers
[13:11] <jam> but hey, tag_names actually works better for my purpose, I think
[13:13] <rvba> jam: right, but the code right here overrides the list of fields with the list from a registered emitter: https://bitbucket.org/jespern/django-piston/src/c4b2d21db51a/piston/emitters.py#cl-160
[13:20] <jam> rvba: well, update pushed. Your code actually nests the values because 'values_list' returns a list of tuples, but you can unwrap them and get it to work.
[13:20] <rvba> jam: ah, right.
[13:21] <rvba> jam: values_list('name', flat=True) will solve that for you :)
[13:44] <jtv> roaksoax, are you here?
[13:44] <jtv> It's about bug 1053295.  I must have missed a step in introducing that upstart file into the maas-dhcp package.
[13:50] <rbasak> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1054056
[13:51] <smoser> gracias
[13:51] <roaksoax> jtv: yep
[13:51] <jtv> Any idea what it might be?
[13:51] <roaksoax> jtv: yep :)
[13:51] <jtv> What is it?
[13:52] <jtv> (You're not getting to me.  Not at all.  :)
[13:52] <roaksoax> jtv: missing  dh_installinit --name maas-dhcp-server
[13:52] <roaksoax> jtv: i'll fix it
[13:53] <jtv> Ahhhh.  ¡Muchas gracias!
[14:12] <mgz> jam: https://code.launchpad.net/~gz/maas/populate_tags/+merge/125720
[14:12] <mgz> whoops, forgot to set prereq branch
[14:12] <guimaluf> where can I edit the cloud-init config for maas nodes?
[14:26] <mgz> jam: and lp:~gz/maas/_try_migrate_hardware_details is my attempt at doing that migration... which still seems unhappy, but I'll have to look at that later
[14:26] <mgz> ...without the leading underscore
[14:49] <roaksoax> rvba: https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/install_maas_local_celerysettings/+merge/125735
[14:52] <rvba> roaksoax: s/etc/contrib/
[14:52] <roaksoax> rvba: yeah already pushed another branch
[14:52] <roaksoax> rvba: and in the packaging side we need to handle upgrades, not only installations :)
[14:52] <roaksoax> rvba: i'll get that done though
[14:53] <rvba> roaksoax: cool, thanks a lot.
[14:56] <roaksoax> rvba: i'll approve myself the setup.py branch
[14:57] <rvba> roaksoax: approved :)
[14:57] <roaksoax> hehe :)
[14:58] <roaksoax> rvba: so there's 1 text conflict in debian/changelog, If you want you can fix that and push an updated branch or If you prefer I'll merge it myself against a local branch and resolve the conflict and push it back
[14:58] <rvba> roaksoax: I'll fix it, hang on.
[14:59] <rvba> roaksoax: I don't see the conflict.
[14:59] <rvba> roaksoax: if you're talking about ~rvb/maas/packaging.set-rabbitmq-creds, I've fixed the conflict yesterday.
[15:00] <roaksoax> rvba: did you pull the latest packaging branch?
[15:00] <roaksoax> rvba: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1218767/
[15:00] <rvba> roaksoax: hum, let me merge trunk again…
[15:05] <rvba> roaksoax: conflict fixed.
[15:06] <roaksoax> rvba: thanks! i'll test it one more time and get it merged
[15:06] <rvba> roaksoax: ta.  Please review/test it carefully as I'm really no packaging expert.
[15:06] <roaksoax> will do :)
[15:14] <roaksoax> rvba: https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/maas_local_celeryconfig/+merge/125745
[15:14] <roaksoax> rvba: packaging needs to be updated from celerysettings to celeryconfig
[15:20] <rvba> roaksoax: you're right.
[15:22] <guimaluf> where can I append some script to the cloud-init running on maas nodes?
[15:22] <roaksoax> smoser: ^^
[15:23] <smoser> guimaluf, you mean in commissioning?
[15:23] <roaksoax> guimaluf: cloud-init is only used for enlistment and commissioning. Not for deployed maas nodes
[15:23] <smoser> roaksoax, thats not true
[15:23] <smoser> cloud-init is used on install also.
[15:23] <smoser> juju provides cloud-init user-data to the provisioned nodes, it is available through the api
[15:23] <roaksoax> smoser: right, but what I mean is in already running nodes
[15:24] <roaksoax> smoser: i guess I should have said, not for already deployed maas nodes
[15:25] <smoser> roaksoax, well actually i think that is wrong too :)
[15:25] <smoser> cloud-init is installed, and active. it will run things as it it does on regular instances
[15:26] <roaksoax> smoser: right, but I dind't know that you can tell cloud-init, from maas, to do XYZ after the node was installed/configured
[15:26] <roaksoax> :)
[15:27] <guimaluf> exactly. so if I want to customize some new cloud-init script for new maas nodes, there is a way to do it, right?
[15:28] <roaksoax> smoser: so that's what I mean, after I have deployed a node with juju, it installed the service or whatever, does it continue to poll the mAAS meta-data server?
[15:30] <roaksoax> smoser: or for example, can i juju deploy something and tell it a cloud-config script to use?
[15:30] <guimaluf> in deed I never get maas nodes to reach metadata server and get the maas-server ssh-key.
[15:52] <roaksoax> rvba: i'll do the update if that's ok with you?
[15:53] <rvba> roaksoax: have you been able to test the changes to the postinst script?
[15:53] <roaksoax> rvba: yeah, it works
[15:54] <roaksoax> obviously changing s/celerysettings/celeryconfig
[15:54] <roaksoax> rvba: if you can change that real quick I'll merge your branch
[15:56] <rvba> roaksoax: you mean renaming the file in contrib/ right?
[15:56] <roaksoax> rvba: the file in contrib is already maas_local_celeryconfig.py
[15:56] <roaksoax> rvba: so packaging needs ot be updated accordingly
[15:56] <rvba> roaksoax: ah right.
[15:56] <roaksoax> rvba: so maas.install maas.links and maas.postinst needs update
[15:57] <rvba> roaksoax: ok, I'll update my branch.
[15:58] <roaksoax> rvba: cool, other than that it seems to work as expected
[16:00] <rvba> roaksoax: fix pushed.
[16:01] <roaksoax> rvba: BROKER_URL = 'amqp://maas_workers:T1A3Ksj5wiEfOe1VrDjl@localhost:5672//maas_workers'
[16:01] <roaksoax> so that's what I end up having in maas_local_celeryconfig
[16:01] <rvba> That's good.
[16:26] <roaksoax> allenap: ping
[16:29] <allenap> roaksoax: Yo.
[16:30] <roaksoax> allenap: so, what is the cli doing thus far? Can I alreay make changes to a node?
[16:30] <roaksoax> allenap: idk if you recall.. but during commissioning we need to be able to modify the node's information
[16:30] <roaksoax> allenap: and we were looking at having anonymous access
[16:30] <roaksoax> specifucally to set up the power_parameters for ipmi autodiscovery
[16:33] <allenap> roaksoax: It does basic stuff, including setting things. However, not everything works :-/ Bug 1052867 and bug 1052872 are pertinent here.
[16:34] <allenap> roaksoax: There's probably a view missing from the metadata API too, for the anonymous setting of power parameters.
[16:34] <allenap> I don't have a bug number for that.
[16:35] <roaksoax> allenap: alright, i guess we can look deeper into that next week
[16:39] <allenap> roaksoax: Cool, let's talk on Monday. Have a good weekend!
[16:40] <roaksoax> allenap: thanks you do aswell