[20:52] <MadsRC> Basicly VNC is a bunch of jpeg/gifs being send over the network, which is why it isn't smooth
[20:52] <MadsRC> Hehe, let me know how it goes :P
[20:53] <andyfied> i will
[20:54] <andyfied> i think one of the main reasons is i have to login to the DE on my file server to be able to vnc to is, where i would rather have it in a different room without a monitor
[20:55] <andyfied> first i have to wait for cygwin to dl
[20:55] <MadsRC> Why do you even have a DE on a file server?
[20:55] <andyfied> it didn't start as a file server
[20:55] <MadsRC> And couldn't you just use putty for x11 forwarding to windowz
[20:55] <MadsRC> Ah :P
[20:56] <mike-irssi> vnc is awful
[20:56] <Pici> X11 forwarding is slow, even locally.
[20:56] <andyfied> putty's help told me to get cygwin
[20:56] <MadsRC> any other idea what to use instead of vnc and x11 forward?
[20:57] <andyfied> that's all i've read about so far
[20:57] <compdoc> vnc4server always worked well for me on the lan, and a little sluggish over a vpn. x11vnc is a good choice too. Unfortunately, I havent been able to make vnc work with the last version of Ubuntu. They dont have a 2d version of unity anymore
[20:58] <andyfied> speed isn't a big issue since i'm just doing to the de to check up on a few bits that i don't know how to do in the terminal
[20:58] <compdoc> x11rdp is a great choice too, which is what I use anymore. mostly
[20:58] <MadsRC> Hmm, I'll have to research those :P
[20:58] <andyfied> vino comes with *buntus anyway so it's easy to fire up and see how it goes
[20:59] <MadsRC> Need something with the same performance/smoothness as Windows RDP
[21:00] <compdoc> thats what gets me - vino works, but vnc4server and x11vnc dont because the xstartup file requires a working .session
[21:00] <MadsRC> Think I'm gonna try X11 Forward and if that is too slow, I'll try NX Technology instead
[21:02] <compdoc> well, someone will figure it out. meanwhile, x11rdp works great
[21:02] <gordonjcp> MadsRC: what exactly are you trying to do?
[21:04] <timg_> hi, i try to setup a port tunnel of a port tunnel, it's quite easy, i want to access a mysql server behind a dmz. so i MUST tunnel throught the dmz and than i must tunnel from the dns to the server? the dms itself had acceess to the server ...
[21:04] <MadsRC> I need near-native performance for a server used to do GPU calculations and GNS3 simulations. Unfortunately the GNS3 can't be done in the terminal so I'd have to have a small graphical interface (Not unity or xfce or even ldxe, lighter than those) and present it remotely
[21:05] <gordonjcp> MadsRC: how well that works is going to be a function of your network connectivity
[21:05] <prx> hey, my headphones jack is not playing anything, i recently installed KDE... never had that issue before
[21:05] <prx> i cant see any headphones or speakers under kmix
[21:05] <OerHeks> timg_, "behind a DMZ" ?? DMZ = Demilitarized Zone = no obstacle, no firewall
[21:05] <compdoc> timg_, just need one tunnel, and if dns doesnt work, use the ip address directly, if possible
[21:06] <MadsRC> Partly true. Windows RDP gives better useability than a VNC session, so it's not 100% network uplink. But for the sake of argument the machine is sitting behind a Tier 1 Service Provider with a 1gig up and 1gig down.
[21:13] <a7i3n> Not alot going on here lately
[21:14] <prx> can anyone help? ;/
[21:21] <andyfied> prx: i'm not good with audio myself, have you had any joy on the forums so far?
[21:22] <EUSKEPTIC> anyone using picbuntu on mini pc rockchip 3066?
[21:27] <korylprince> hello all. Anyone here experienced trouble with bnx2 drivers and bonding on newer kernels?
[21:27] <bekks> !anyone | korylprince
[21:29] <korylprince> Okay... I have a few servers using the bnx2 driver on 12.04. I'm bonding two such interfaces together in mode4 (lacp). This works fine on the linux 3.2. However when upgrading to the lts-raring kernels, as soon as the system boots it just freezes.
[21:29] <bekks> korylprince: And why do you suspect bonding to be responsible for your freezes?
[21:30] <korylprince> It's the only common denominator. I can have both NICs plugged in with IP addresses and it works fine. As soon as I try bonding on a 3.8 kernel the server freezes within a few seconds, often spitting a bnx2 debug message
[21:30] <korylprince> (Usually the message says something about the "Copper" being disconnected.)
[21:31] <bekks> korylprince: Which message in particular?
[21:31] <korylprince> If I start the server on a 3.2 kernel it flies.
[21:31] <korylprince> bekks: give me a second and I'll pull it from the logs
[21:32] <bekks> korylprince: And did you setup the switch to provide LACP, too?
[21:33] <korylprince> bnx2 0000:0b:00.0 eth0: NIC Copper Link is Down
[21:34] <korylprince> that's the last thing it will spit out
[21:34] <korylprince> bekks: yes. Everything works fine if I'm booting in a 3.2 kernel. As soon as I reboot into a 3.8 kernel is when I have problems.
[21:36] <metasansana> Where can I find configuration information about prompt.cfg and txt.cfg on install isos?
[21:37] <hassen> isn't there a way to reset ubuntu to the state of being freshly installed?
[21:37] <bekks> hassen: No.
[21:37] <korylprince> bekks: also note that it doesn't matter what bonding mode I use. I've put it in other modes with the same result.
[21:38] <hassen> bekks, what about this one:  rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity
[21:38] <bekks> hassen: Thats only removing your personal configs, but not restoring the config of the system.
[21:38] <hassen> does that command remove the update packs i've installed?
[21:39] <bekks> hassen: No. It removes files.
[21:39] <hassen> software update
[21:39] <ertyuiz> hi
[21:39] <hassen> like language packs
[21:39] <bekks> hassen: "No".
[21:39] <hassen> ok, see.
[21:39] <hassen> i se*
[21:40] <ertyuiz> how to change user on ubuntu ?
[21:40] <TJ-> korylprince: Which BNX device is it? Does it have the latest firmware? I've seen reports of similar issues solved with a firmware update.
[21:40] <ertyuiz> once connected ?
[21:40] <andyfied> ertyuiz: log out then back in again
[21:40] <ertyuiz> command ?
[21:41] <korylprince> TJ-: Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet
[21:41] <korylprince> TJ-: That's my next step
[21:42] <ertyuiz> sorry i mean
[21:42] <ertyuiz> how to change user taking his profile?
[21:42] <hassen> but how to restore the system language's pack to its initial state?
[21:42] <bekks> ertyuiz: That doesnt make sense. Please rephrase.
[21:43] <bekks> hassen: Uninstall all language packs you've installed since installation of the system.
[21:43] <Cheryl_c> ubuntu installation does not give me dual boot screen with windows7
[21:43] <bekks> !dualboot | Cheryl_c
[21:43] <hassen> bekks, the problem is that i forgot which ones exactly were enabled,should I just leave 'english' and get rid of that?
[21:43] <ertyuiz>   how to change to an other user with loading the first user profile  ?
[21:43] <bekks> hassen: Thats your choice :)
[21:43] <hassen> bekks, lmao
[21:44] <hassen> Cheryl_c, is win7 already installed?
[21:44] <andyfied> ertyuiz: to log out you'd use exit
[21:45] <andyfied> then log back in again
[21:45] <bekks> ertyuiz: do you mean "sudo"?
[21:45] <ertyuiz> no
[21:45] <bekks> ertyuiz: then it doesnt make sense to "change to an other user with loading the first user profile". What are you actually trying to do?
[21:46] <ertyuiz> just want to load my first user's profil from my second user interface
[21:46] <bekks> ertyuiz: Thats not possible.
[21:47] <bekks> ertyuiz: either use one user, or the other.
[21:47] <ertyuiz> can we do something with /etc/profile
[21:47] <bekks> ertyuiz: No.
[21:47] <fishscene> ertyuiz: Are you trying to do something like a "default profile"?
[21:48] <ertyuiz> ssh user@ubuntu loadfirstuser's /etc/profile
[21:48] <ertyuiz> ???
[21:48] <bekks> ertyuiz: No.
[21:48] <ertyuiz> so what is the equivalent of that command ?
[21:48] <lilVaratep> any good books out there for learning ubuntu?
[21:48] <Cheryl_c> hassen: windows7 already installed but corrupted. I want to install ubuntu on a separate partition so that I can still see my files
[21:49] <bekks> ertyuiz: IF yiou just want to source the profile of another user, just run ". /home/seconduser/.profile"
[21:49] <bekks> ertyuiz: after closing the terminal, that "change" will be lost.
[21:49] <hassen> Cheryl_c, did you install ubuntu now?
[21:49] <Cheryl_c> hassen: twice
[21:50] <ertyuiz> ok perfect i get
[21:50] <ertyuiz> thanks a lot
[21:50] <hassen> Cheryl_c, hang on sec
[21:51] <Cheryl_c> when I go to reboot the ubuntu installation it brings up the broken win7 partition
[21:51] <hassen> Cheryl_c, do you see grub rescue > in the corrupted boot screen?
[21:51] <glitsj16> lilVaratep: you can get a free manual on http://ubuntu-manual.org/ for starters
[21:52] <Cheryl_c> hassen: no
[21:53] <hassen> Cheryl_c, how did the issue happen at the beginning,elaborate iot
[21:53] <hassen> 6it
[21:53] <hassen> it
[21:55] <Cheryl_c> hassen: I formatted the windows partition by mistake. I can see all my files with ubuntu but do not have a repair disk
[21:55] <hassen> Cheryl_c, you installed ubuntu in another partition,other than win7's oe?
[21:55] <hassen> *one?
[21:56] <TJ-> korylprince: You could also try: "modprobe bnx2 disable_msi=1"
[21:56] <Cheryl_c> hassen: yes
[21:57] <able> I have a Microsoft Surface Pro 2 and while the keyboard works fine during install it stops working at first boot
[21:57] <hassen> Cheryl_c, open terminal and type  "sudo apt-get install syslinux"   press enter then type  "sudo dd if=/usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin of=/dev/sda"
[21:57] <able> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64811
[21:57] <hassen> Cheryl_c, win7 MBR is corrupted
[21:57] <hassen> that's what happened
[21:57] <able> Is there any way to could configure the installed system to use the reduced drivers used during install?
[21:57] <korylprince> TJ-: I've been down that road already... No dice...
[21:57] <hassen> Cheryl_c, then restart
[21:58] <lilVaratep> is it better to go with a LTS version of ubuntu or the most recent version?
[21:58] <lilVaratep> for personal use and development
[21:59] <tgm4883> lilVaratep, for development, latest/dev (depending on what you are developing on)
[21:59] <hassen> Cheryl_c, after restarting, try win7,if you can't boot to ubuntu while you can with win7, reinstall ubuntu in another partition as usual,and you'll be fine with the GRUB
[21:59] <tgm4883> lilVaratep, usually I run ubuntu+1 in a VM when it's released, and progressively install it on more machines as time goes on
[22:00] <TJ-> korylprince: Have you mirrored the switch ports and captured traffic on the link to see what happens immediately before it drops?
[22:01] <korylprince> TJ-: hadn't thought of that. Will try that if firmware update is unsuccessful.
[22:02] <Cheryl_c> hassen: output says "no such file or directory"
[22:03] <hassen> Cheryl_c, check what have you typed,maybe you issed a letter?
[22:05] <q0> What's wrong with the world ? I tried writing BSD image to pendrive with startup creator, gives me "Failed" error, I try with unetbootin, it works but after boot it says not enough memory to load kernel ???
[22:05] <hassen> yep..that's it gentlemen..uninstalling all languages but english solved it
[22:06] <hassen> the thing is when first updating the languages list,I lost connection
[22:06] <q0> are there any alternatives to startup creator other than unetbootin
[22:06] <hassen> so troubles started happening
[22:07] <ZujkisNx> Hi! :) What command i should write if would want to open ping in terminal window on system startup? After startup i want to see that terminal window on my screen.. (:
[22:08] <hassen> q0, linuxpendrive's YUMI and UUI
[22:08] <AgentElman> is there anyway to install vmware 10 on  3.10
[22:09] <OerHeks> q0, dd could do it too, but maybe it is a BSD issue, bad download?
[22:09] <AgentElman> on 13.10
[22:09] <ikonia> AgentElman: there are insructions on the vmware website on how to install
[22:10] <AgentElman> thats not going to help much
[22:10] <ikonia> AgentElman: why ?
[22:10] <AgentElman> looking for a patch
[22:10] <ikonia> AgentElman: that's not what you asked
[22:10] <ikonia> AgentElman: you asked is there a way to install it - yes, follow the vmware instructions
[22:11] <ikonia> AgentElman: if you need/want something else, please clarify
[22:11] <AgentElman> its installed the module wont update correctly
[22:11] <ikonia> won't update ?
[22:11] <ikonia> AgentElman: please try to be clear about the problem you want help with
[22:12] <q0> dd all the way
[22:12] <q0> i can watch the world burn with dd
[22:12] <ikonia> q0: who are you talking to ?
[22:12] <q0> thanks for the tip, it helped :)
[22:12] <q0> my selves.
[22:15] <SteveBell> hi all. I have file system chaos. any idea how to clone a HFS+ drive to a ext4 drive?
[22:16] <ikonia> SteveBell: mount the hfs disk, mount the ext4 disk, copy the files
[22:18] <SteveBell> ikonia: thing is if I mount the hfs disk only the first of two partitions does show under ubuntu
[22:18] <ikonia> SteveBell: you mount partitions manually - each one, not the disk
[22:19] <SteveBell> ah ok. didn't know.
[22:19] <derik> how i see how much memory is free?
[22:19] <ikonia> derik: free -m
[22:19] <derik> whant means -/+ buffers/cache:
[22:20] <ikonia> file system cache basically
[22:20] <k1l> derik: linuxatemyram.org
[22:20] <ikonia> man free for more info
[22:20] <SteveBell> ikonia: so journaling has to be disabled? http://superuser.com/questions/84446/how-to-mount-a-hfs-partition-in-ubuntu-as-read-write
[22:20] <ikonia> SteveBell: basically it's "no write support, but read should be fine"
[22:20] <derik> ikonia this is from ram or is separatly
[22:20] <k1l> oh, its linuxatemyram.com actually.
[22:20] <ikonia> derik: from ram
[22:24] <SteveBell> ikonia that's great news. I only need read from that hfs+ drive
[22:25] <SteveBell> is there a GUI option to mount partitions or do I have to use the terminal?
[22:25] <ikonia> SteveBell: you'll find it easier for what you are doing to use the terminal
[22:28] <pulsar78> what a good way to backup/restore because i used dd and the restore is taking forever *sigh*
[22:28] <andyfied> rsync is quicker than dd
[22:28] <ikonia> pulsar78: just wait
[22:28] <raub> pulsar78: it depends on what you are trying to backup
[22:29] <ikonia> rsync is only good for data, not partition layout
[22:29] <ikonia> it depends on your needs
[22:29] <raub> ikonia: exactly
[22:29] <SteveBell> hfsprogs is installed. but how do I know which /dev/sdx# and mountpoint to enter?
[22:29] <Rallias> Is it possible to set some IP address's in my dhcp server as windows only and some as linux only?
[22:29] <ikonia> Rallias: you can map ip to mac
[22:29] <raub> Rallias: assign IPs based on MACs perhaps?
[22:30] <ikonia> Rallias: you can't really do os detection very easy
[22:30] <Rallias> raub, ikonia, The problem is, some computers run both windows and linux with dual-boot...
[22:30] <pulsar78> complete disk restore
[22:31] <ikonia> Rallias: why do you need different ip's depending on OS ?
[22:31] <ikonia> Rallias: why not just let dhcp manage the subnet
[22:31] <raub> Rallias: then look at udp traffic for the telltale for each OS and go from there
[22:31] <pulsar78> the problem is: the gzip is just 4gb, the dd inside is 120gb
[22:31] <Rallias> ikonia, Because linux enables the use of straight-up ipsec, while windows makes it difficult to use ipsec without l2tp.
[22:32] <ikonia> Rallias: I don't see what that has to do with dhcp ?
[22:32] <ikonia> Rallias: seperate vlans would fix that
[22:32] <raub> pulsar78: dd boot partition; rsync rest
[22:32] <Rallias> ikonia, iptables filtering.
[22:32] <ikonia> Rallias: so ?
[22:32] <ikonia> Rallias: apologies, I'm not seeing a problem
[22:33] <pulsar78> raub: k, will look into that, tnx
[22:33] <Rallias> ikonia, I'm trying to encrypt my wireless with a protocol ontop of WPA2 to allow for increased security, and blocking non-enciphered traffic.
[22:34] <ikonia> Rallias: ok, so again I'm still not seeing a problem
[22:34] <SteveBell> ikonia do you know how to find out the dev/sbd number for a hfs partition and the mountpoint?
[22:34] <ikonia> SteveBell: you can mount them where ever you want
[22:35] <raub> SteveBell: fdisk? /proc/mount?
[22:35] <SteveBell> ikonia: so sth like sudo mount -t hfsplus -o force,ro /dev/sdb2 /media/mntpoint
[22:35] <SteveBell> ?
[22:35] <ikonia> SteveBell: looks good
[22:37] <SteveBell> ikonia: but it says media/mntpoint does not exist
[22:37] <ikonia> SteveBell: then make it
[22:40] <SteveBell> not sure how that would work. create a mountpoint.
[22:41] <SteveBell> like sudo mkdir /mnt/external
[22:42] <wassup> hi
[22:42] <Anden> SteveBell: yeah, for starters you'll need an empty directory to mount against
[22:42] <Anden> hi
[22:43] <wassup> is ubuntu using chromium or chrome?
[22:43] <wassup> or, at least, which is found by default in the repos?
[22:43] <rypervenche> wassup: Chromium.
[22:43] <k1l> wassup: standard is firefox. but chromium is in the repos.
[22:43] <SteveBell> ok it seems I've created a mountpoint with sudo mkdir /media/mntpoint
[22:43] <wassup> hm
[22:43] <Anden> good
[22:43] <SteveBell> so then I tired sudo mount -t hfsplus -o force,ro /dev/sdb2 /media/mntpoint
[22:43] <wassup> thanks, guys
[22:44] <wassup> chromium apparently has some flickering problems for me atm, while chrome works perfectly fine, yet I'm not really fond of moving to a closed version
[22:44] <SteveBell> but it says either /dev/sdb2/ is already mounted or /media/mntpoint is in use. then it says mtab says /dev/sdb2 is already mounted with one of the ext drives
[22:45] <k1l> SteveBell: what does "mount" give you?
[22:45] <k1l> put it into a pastebin
[22:45] <Anden> yeah or: mount | grep sdb2
[22:45] <Sach> Using Ubuntu 12.04. Why can't I see all the wireless connections available to me?
[22:46] <koell> how can i hide folders?
[22:46] <Beldar> Sach, Any wifi witches on the computer?
[22:46] <k1l> koell: put a "." in front of the name
[22:46] <Anden> Sach: it limits the list but there is an entry that shows the rest of it.
[22:46] <Beldar> switches*
[22:47] <Mike3620> I keep running chmod 0666 /dev/null but it keeps on dropping the permissions for everyone but the owner eventually how do I fix this.
[22:47] <Anden> Sach: it says "more networks" or something i think
[22:47] <koell> k1l: i know this method. i need one without the dot in front of :)
[22:47] <SteveBell> mount http://pastebin.com/7zCUrKkR Anden K1|
[22:47] <Sach> Beldar: Yes, it's turned on, which is why I can see a few networks, but not all.
[22:47] <SteveBell> so sbd2 is indeed already used by one of the ext partitions
[22:47] <pulsar78> yeeee., it only took 3097 seconds
[22:47] <raub> koell: hiding dir or its contents?
[22:47] <Mike3620> So I constantly have to re do sudo chmod /dev/null
[22:47] <Mike3620> Or users get a permission denied error
[22:48] <k1l> SteveBell: sdb2 is already mounted in /media/suppenkasper/Backup and is ext4
[22:48] <Mike3620> ^0666
[22:48] <SteveBell> yep
[22:48] <Beldar> Sach, hmm available to you, not sure what that means exactly, can you link and sign in at all?
[22:48] <SteveBell> k1l: so question is what is the sdb name for the hfs drive?
[22:48] <k1l> SteveBell: so no wonder it says its already mounted
[22:48] <koell> ok solved. :)
[22:49] <k1l> SteveBell: "sudo fdisk -l"
[22:49] <Beldar> Sach, I general ubuntu is a bit weak on signal pickup might be the problem.
[22:49] <Anden> SteveBell: do you understand how linux names your partitions? i.e. sda1, sdb1
[22:50] <Sach> Beldar: my home wireless is the one I want to connect to wirelessly.  I can see it on on laptop, but not this current one.
[22:50] <SteveBell> Anden: not really but it seems sda sdb etc are separate drives while the numbers are the partitions?
[22:50] <derik> when i login in console i recive: Memory usage: 32% but after that when i type free -m i get: Mem: Total:490  used: 373 and free:117   373 isn`t 32% from 490. What is wrong ?
[22:50] <Anden> SteveBell: exactly
[22:51] <SteveBell> so I see sda1,2 and 5 and that then must be the hfs drive
[22:51] <SteveBell> cool. thanks guys. I'm noting all those commands down so I have that available the next time I need that
[22:51] <Anden> hfs is a file system which applies to one of the partitions, of course all the partitions could have a file system
[22:51] <Beldar> Sach, Is the wifi working can you link to ant wifi signal?
[22:51] <Beldar> any*
[22:52] <korylprince> derik: free shows cached memory as used. the last number you see is the cached memory
[22:52] <Anden> Sach: but you see other wifis, not just yours? or none?
[22:52] <Sach> Beldar: yes, the wifi is working.  I can see my neighbor's wifi but not mine.
[22:52] <derik> thanks korylprince
[22:52] <SteveBell> Anden do those names change? or will sda1 be sda1 if I re-connect that drive in 6 months?
[22:53] <korylprince> derik: cached memory can be freed quickly if it is needed, so a good idea of how much free memory you have is to take the "free" memory and subtract the "cached" memory
[22:53] <Beldar> Sach, Right, however do you know that you can sign into a wifi network, just knocking out variables here.
[22:53] <k1l> SteveBell: that numbers are written into the partition table. they stay the same until something really breaks
[22:53] <Anden> SteveBell: it may change. depends on what order the drives are connected in
[22:54] <Sach> Beldar: yes, I am certain.
[22:54] <Anden> SteveBell: you have UUIDs that will always stay the same though
[22:54] <Beldar> Sach, Lets identify the wifi card as well if you run lspci in the terminal what is the hardware?
[22:54] <korylprince> SteveBell: The partition number will always be the same, but the drive letter may change. i.e. sda3 might be sdc3
[22:54] <SteveBell> ok. understood. Anden you want all that output?
[22:55] <Beldar> Sach, Cool I assume certain means that in this install you have accessed a wifi network.
[22:55] <Anden> Sach: is your wifi access point by any chance 5GHz but your machine only supporting 2.4GHz?
[22:55] <Sach> Beldar: yes, for over 8 months or so
[22:55] <Anden> SteveBell: what output?
[22:55] <Sach> Beldar: http://pastebin.com/0JTEuwaX
[22:56] <SteveBell> sorry confused posts. ignore pls.
[22:56] <Anden> ok
[22:56] <SteveBell> so tried again with correct drive name and it still says mountpoint in use
[22:57] <SteveBell> so can I just sudo mkdir /media/mntpoint2 ?
[22:57] <Beldar> Sach, Cool, not sure myself why you would not see the home network, I see a broadcom card, have you seen the broadcom wiki just for a reference is all.
[22:57] <Anden> Sach: have you tried restarting your access point? sometimes mine glitches out and does not appear to all my devices perfectly. always gets fixed by a restart lol
[22:58] <Sach> Anden: how do I restart the access point?
[22:58] <Sach> Beldar: I'll have a look
[22:58] <Anden> pull its power cord and put it back in Sach
[22:58] <SteveBell> or sudo mkdir /media/external ? any name should do?
[22:59] <Anden> SteveBell: any name would work but there is a chance your drive was autmaitcally mounted and you dont need to do it manually
[22:59] <Anden> SteveBell: i wasnt in this from the start so i dunno though
[22:59] <SteveBell> Anden if that's the case I don't see it
[22:59] <SteveBell> my issue is mounting a hfs+ partition to read from
[23:00] <Anden> SteveBell: but you found the right sd name didnt you. what was it?
[23:00] <SteveBell> can I change the terminal to english or have everything I copy from it be english?
[23:00] <SteveBell> sda1
[23:01] <SteveBell> if I'm not mistaken but since that was the biggest partition and that is what I'm looking for that should be correct
[23:01] <highrise2357> Hello. I have a question regarding what to do after accidentally deleting /usr/lib/share/applications/
[23:01] <Anden> you sure? sda1 ought to be a system drive
[23:01] <Anden> but it could be of course
[23:02] <zoey666> Hi.  Is it possible to install Ubuntu in an existing luks encrypted partition without having to erase it?
[23:03] <SteveBell> ok you are right. so it is sdb1 but oddly I see only one partition ofr that GPT system. but it is hfs+ (osx journaled) so maybe that's an issue? (anden)
[23:04] <t3kst> hello
[23:05] <Anden> SteveBell: according to the pastebin you linked before i can see 3 partitions and they are all ext4
[23:05] <k1l> SteveBell: fdisk cant read gpt disks
[23:05] <highrise2357> Am I correct in saying that I didn't actually damage the applications themselves, just the desktop icons?
[23:05] <Anden> SteveBell: sda1 sdb1 and sdb2 are ext4 on your system so it's none of them
[23:05] <SteveBell> Anden:  http://pastebin.com/VyePmJdz
[23:06] <k1l> SteveBell: stop mounting blindly partitions
[23:06] <SteveBell> Anden that is then the other external drive. that is the ext4 drive is where I want to write to while I need to read from that hfs+ partition
[23:06] <osbin> good evening locking for tut how make ready fully for work wine
[23:06] <k1l> SteveBell: first check which partition you actually want to mount
[23:07] <k1l> osbin: that depends on the program and wine. best is to ask the wine specialists:
[23:07] <k1l> !wine | osbin
[23:07] <SteveBell> ok sda then is the internal drive sdb the ext4 external and I'm still looking for the hfs drive which won't show up since fdisk does not know hfs.
[23:07] <highrise2357> Is there a way I can open a terminal in the gui from the login screen?
[23:08] <Anden> SteveBell: look, first you need to understand that there is no such thing as an ext4 or hfs drive. if you have only one partition on a drive technically you could say that. but it really applies to the file systems. not the drive
[23:08] <k1l> !pastebin | SteveBell  please put the sudo fdisk -l output there
[23:08] <SteveBell> so how to check for the hfs+ partition name?
[23:09] <zoey666> Hi.  Is it possible to install Ubuntu in an existing luks encrypted partition without having to erase it?
[23:10] <Anden> SteveBell: if we can get sudo fdisk -l output we'll help you get that name
[23:11] <highrise2357> Is there a way to open a terminal in the gui without an icon?
[23:11] <highrise2357> as all of my icons are gone
[23:11] <highrise2357> because I accidentally deleted /usr/lib/applications
[23:11] <zoey666> Hi.  Is it possible to install Ubuntu in an existing luks encrypted partition without having to erase it?
[23:11] <Anden> highrise2357: ctrl + alt + t
[23:11] <highrise2357> thank you
[23:12] <SteveBell> ok I think I understand. not drive but file system is what I'm talking about if talking about a drive with two ext4 partitions e.g. here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/8GdrGgjj
[23:12] <Anden> highrise2357: also ctrl + alt + f1 should always work if ctrl + alt + t does not
[23:14] <k1l> SteveBell: use gdisk instead of fdisk for the gpt disk. (like sudo gdisk -l)
[23:15] <highrise3357> okay, back from gui this time
[23:16] <SteveBell> sudo gdisk -l says command not found k1l
[23:16] <k1l> then install gdisk
[23:16] <Anden> SteveBell: maybe you need to install it? sudo apt-get install gdisk
[23:17] <KI7MT> I'ts in the standard repos, but why is it any better than fdisk?
[23:17] <k1l> KI7MT: fdisk cant handle gpt tables
[23:17] <Anden> it works with GPT and not just MBR
[23:17] <KI7MT> Ok.
[23:18] <SteveBell> Anden true and done. http://pastebin.com/kFZiQQEi
[23:18] <Fredx> I need to upgrade plex server
[23:18] <Fredx> is this correct command
[23:18] <Fredx> sudo dpkg --update-avail plexmediaserver_<IP_ADDRESS>.278-ac16513_amd64.deb
[23:19] <k1l> SteveBell: put a "/dev/sdb" afterwards
[23:21] <SteveBell> http://pastebin.com/LTziFUcm k1l but with 3TB that is the ext4 file system no?
[23:22] <highrise3357> it appears apt isn't detecting the missing /applications folder
[23:24] <k1l> SteveBell: is this the 3tb drive? are there 2 partitions on it? one 2tb and one 0,7tb?
[23:24] <SteveBell> yep
[23:24] <SteveBell> but that appears already fine read and writeable since ext4
[23:25] <k1l> what drive is this? are you sure its hfs? (the apple file system?)
[23:25] <Anden> SteveBell: can you do: ls /dev/sd*
[23:26] <SteveBell> "/dev/sda  /dev/sda1  /dev/sda2  /dev/sda5  /dev/sdb  /dev/sdb1  /dev/sdb2"
[23:27] <Anden> SteveBell: strange. but you are sure your partition is really hfs? formatted with a mac?
[23:28] <glicks> howdy
[23:29] <glicks> hey quick question, when i run python in the shell, it runs python 2.7.  Is there anyway to have the defualt be python3.3 when i run python
[23:29] <glicks> ?
[23:29] <glicks> it looks like python launches python 2.7 and python3 launches python3
[23:30] <SteveBell> hehe yes. Well I'm sure that drive is connected and spinning. I also know that I clone my internal os x partition to that drive and that I formatted in os x as os x journaled which is HFS+ if I'm not mistaken? Anden
[23:31] <tgunr> not sure if this is a perl or ubuntu question but, can I install an older perl (5.8.5) onto a 12.04 server install to run an older perl application?
[23:31] <korylprince> glicks: replace /usr/bin/python with a symbolic link to the python3.3 executable. I don't imagine it's a good idea though. Lot's of system utilities depend on the fact that python is python2
[23:31] <Anden> SteveBell: yeah. i think the partition you are looking for is sda5
[23:32] <Anden> SteveBell: try sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda
[23:33] <k1l> the old sda paste is gone. but i dont see a hfs partition so far. at least not on sdb
[23:33] <Anden> well thats why i think it's on sda
[23:33] <KI7MT> glicks, probably not the best choice to make pt3 the default, rather, just call py3 in the shebang /usr/bin/env python3 or there abouts.
[23:34] <Anden> sda1 sdb1 and sdb2 are all mounted and ext4 according to the old paste k1l
[23:34] <k1l> i think that maybe the cloning was not successfull
[23:34] <Anden> i think it's sda2 or 5
[23:34] <SteveBell> Anden k1l http://pastebin.com/sBR8yufW
[23:35] <k1l> no hfs on sda, too
[23:36] <SteveBell> ah so maybe the issue is that CArbon copy cloner creates a bootable section on that drive?
[23:36] <k1l> so i think we are hunting a ghost here
[23:36] <Anden> oh yeah... sda5 is his swap isnt it. sorry
[23:36] <SteveBell> http://www.bombich.com/software/docs/CCC/en.lproj/troubleshooting/what-makes-a-volume-bootable.html
[23:36] <highrise3357> Do I need to reinstall all of my packages?
[23:36] <highrise3357> or is there a simpler method
[23:36] <SteveBell> so maybe that boot section makes the drive not findable for gdisk?
[23:37] <Anden> SteveBell: i'm suspecting the partition may not be there at all
[23:38] <Anden> SteveBell: anyway i gotta go eat. hope you sort it out. good luck
[23:38] <SteveBell> Anden: to move this forward does it help if I connect taht drive and do sth similar under OS X? so at least we get some info about that drive?
[23:39] <Beldar> SteveBell, You might consider running the boot script it will give a you a detailed picture of what is there including any gpt remnants or gpt stuff as well as msdos.
[23:39] <SteveBell> ok enjoy your mean!
[23:40] <SteveBell> ok, I'll ask on the CCC support site if they had a similar case and how to best deal with that situation. alternatively I would have to buy extFS to make ext drives readable under os x for 40$.
[23:41] <KI7MT> Dont ya just love Mac ..
[23:42] <nail> buona sera
[23:42] <nail> !lista
[23:42] <nail> !alias
[23:43] <SteveBell> KI7MT: well the issue is on both sides. it's just that most files systems are incompatible. hfs is as bad on ubuntu as ext is on OS X.
[23:44] <bekks> SteveBell: Do you have two computers?
[23:44] <KI7MT> Indeed, they all have their share issues. At least I dont have to shell our $$ for the Ubuntu ones :-)
[23:45] <SteveBell> bekks: yes. OSX is my main working system. an old netbook is where  I put on ubuntu and now it happily servers as my media center
[23:45] <bekks> SteveBell: Well, then you can use network shares to access files.
[23:45] <SteveBell> bekks:  I setup samba and that works for transferring files
[23:46] <bekks> SteveBell: then you dont have to buy anything ;)
[23:47] <KI7MT> Could also use sshfs
[23:50] <KI7MT> Could be kinda tricky to setup if the drives are all on same machine though.
[23:52] <bekks> KI7MT: thats why you have two computers - one for the hfs drives, obe for the ext drives :)
[23:53] <m1chael> i'm dealing with a very frustrating issue... when i plug in a 1tb external USB to my laptop running xubuntu 13.10, the desktop freezes (but everything else works, apps, browsing web, etc..)... and the desktop unfreezes when i unmount and disconnect the usb drive..... (i can browse the data just fine on the drive even when the desktop is frozen)
[23:54] <magnulu> hello folks - having a hard time finding answers on the net, so I turn here
[23:54] <KI7MT> If it's 2 different boxes, MacFUSE works well from what Iv'e read.
[23:55] <magnulu> I have an i3 with hd4400 graphics, and I run xubuntu 13.10 - how can I make sure I am running the correct drivers? intels drivers download page does not state that they support 13.10
[23:55] <SteveBell> k1l: bekks and all thanks for the help. off to bed here...
[23:55] <SteveBell> KI7MT:  yes I might check that out. it seems to work but not trivial in the setup. needs some extra tweaking from what I read.
[23:56] <KI7MT> SteveBell, chek this when you have a moment: https://library.linode.com/networking/ssh-filesystems#sph_install-prerequisite-packages
[23:56] <derik> you recomand to activate swap on a 512 mb vps ?
[23:57] <bekks> derik: of course.
[23:57] <SteveBell> KI7MT: bookmarked. good start for tomorrow when I'M more awake :)


[00:24] <maetthew>  configuration files for Konsole are located? [22:46:06]
[00:24] <maetthew> 01:04 < maetthew> nvm [22:47:58]
[00:24] <maetthew> 01:04 < ***> Playback Complete.
[00:24] <maetthew> 01:04 -!- Channel #kubuntu created Sun Nov 26 07:42:42 2006
[00:24] <maetthew> 01:04 -!- Irssi: Join to #kubuntu was synced in 28 secs configuration files for Konsole are located? [22:46:06]
[00:24] <maetthew> 01:04 < maetthew> nvm [22:47:58]
[01:17] <Edisto> anyone know a work around for the super key constantly breaking where I can't get the popup menu?
[07:34] <fluca1978> hi, I've got a problem after upgrading to kubuntu 18.10: I cannot print anymore to windows printer that worked before. Using cups and specifying the printer as smb://username:password@windowMachine/printer always returns NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[07:35] <fluca1978> I can connect to the printer via smbclient and therefore credentials are fine
[07:35] <fluca1978> I've diffed the printers.conf before and after the upgrade and they are the same
[07:35] <fluca1978> any suggestion?
[07:56] <fluca1978> if I try to connect with smbclient and print I got the same
[07:56] <fluca1978> smb: \> print tmp/test.pdf
[07:56] <fluca1978> NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED opening remote file test.pdf-8299
[08:11] <Roenie_> interesting puzzle, fluca1978
[08:14] <Roenie_> so you've given that username the right to a shared printer,
[08:14] <Roenie_> if you give that same user access to a specific folder share,
[08:14] <Roenie_> can it be accessed?
[08:15] <Roenie_> becuase if not, the issue is a wider one with smb as a whole
[08:15] <Roenie_> and not necessarily related to printing
[08:18] <fluca1978> Roenie_: yes, I can access other shares, but they are on other hosts, we have an host doing only printing.
[08:18] <Roenie_> just thinking out loud here: I'd check my group policy on the windows system for NTLM(v2) (sorry I can't remember exactly where it is in gpedit) - you can define what methods the windows system accepts, and in my experience, accepting multiple modes instead of just one and making sure the other system uses that, doesn't always work well.
[08:19] <fluca1978> Roenie_: I don't have access to the server, and by the way, it was working yesterday and not today after _my_ ubuntu upgrade
[08:20] <Roenie_> I'm no expert on smbclient, but is it possible NTLMv1 support was dropped?
[08:21] <fluca1978> Roenie_: that could be a possibility
[08:30] <Roenie_> To re-enable the poorer NTLM encryption
[08:30] <Roenie_> set '--option=clientusentlmv2auth=no' on your smbclient command line, or
[08:30] <Roenie_> set 'client ntlmv2 auth = no' in your smb.conf
[08:33] <Roenie_> @ fluca1978
[08:41] <fluca1978> Roenie_: Unknown parameter encountered: "clientusentlmv2auth"
[08:41] <fluca1978> and settin gin cmb.conf does not have any result
[08:54] <Roenie_> fluca1978: check man smbclient for: -max-protocol
[08:55] <Roenie_> (looks like they changed how it handles ntlm versions again)
[08:56] <Roenie_> you probably want to try --max-protocol SMB2
[08:57] <Roenie_> or 3 ;-)
[09:10] <fluca1978> Roenie_: using --max-protocol NT1 (!) made it working, while SMB2 made not
[09:10] <fluca1978> now, how can I instrument cups to use such protocol?
[09:35] <Roenie_> fluca1978: whoa, NT1 is supposed to be the default (at least in the version that's in the kubuntu 18.10 repo)
[09:35] <Roenie_> and.. good question :) not a clue
[09:39] <Roenie_> I suspected that would be the next hurdle
[09:42] <Roenie_> I've only started used cups recently after finally having bought a network printer at home, so it's not a share in the first place
[09:42] <Roenie_> and stuff like this is the reason
[09:47] <Roenie_> the fact that network printers are 10 times better than usb printers was just a bonus
[09:48] <Roenie_> I can't believe how good it is
[09:49] <Roenie_> (Brother MFC-L5750DW)
[10:00] <fluca1978> Roenie_:The value default refers to the latest supported protocol, currently SMB3_11.
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:39] <IrcsomeBot4> Avinash was added by: Avinash
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[21:12] <new2linux4ever> hi everybody
[21:12] <new2linux4ever> what happened to the version 17.04?


[00:01] <pleia2> sure, glad you got it all sorted :)
[00:25] <Corey> pleia2: I'll be there this evening. Whee.
[00:26] <pleia2> Corey: cool, see you in a couple hours then, bringing key to sign?
[00:26] <Corey> pleia2: Ooh, good call.
[00:33] <Corey> pleia2: Reviewing http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html
[00:33] <pleia2> Corey: I tend to go by http://www.phillylinux.org/keys/terminal.html
[00:33] <pleia2> so I just bring my ID and printed fingerprint
[00:37] <Corey> Hmm, 2048 bit key.  Good enough. :-p
[00:38] <pleia2> I went all the way to 4096, my key from 2003 was 1024 and useless now, it is very sad (particularly because that's the fingerprint I have on my business cards)
[00:56] <bkerensa> pleia2: Some people take keys really serious :P just saying
[00:56] <pleia2> bkerensa: as they should, it's a web of trust
[00:56] <pleia2> if people don't care it doesn't mean a whole lot
[00:58] <akk> Do you have to start all over getting signatures when you go to a longer key?
[00:58] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah but so very few people use keys in the grand scheme of things. I would say a good majority of people who use the internet have no idea what a key is and better yet could not name a algorithm of the top of their head
[00:59] <bkerensa> I wish keys had wider adoption and were more of a standard
[00:59] <pleia2> akk: yes, but if you write a transition statement and sign it with both keys the people who signed your key previously can then decide whether they trust the transition statement and sign your new one
[00:59] <akk> I went to a keysigning in 2007, got lots of signatures, think I've used the key twice since then (and neither time did the signatures help).
[00:59] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/gpg/key-transition_20110517_asc.txt
[00:59] <pleia2> ^^ my transition statement
[01:00] <bkerensa> akk: Yeah exactly.... I would bet that if anything key use has declined over the years
[01:01] <pleia2> bkerensa: I wish more people used them, but in all honesty I only ever really use mine for signing debian packages (it's a requirement)
[01:01] <pleia2> I haven't used it for email in years
[01:01] <bkerensa> yeah
[01:01] <bkerensa> see if your doing packaging and foss dev work then a key is essential
[01:01] <akk> I've never managed to get mutt to do anything useful with email signatures (like check against keyservers).
[01:01] <bkerensa> :D
[01:01] <pleia2> I had mutt all set up for the whole thing back in the day, it was fun
[01:02] <pleia2> now I use gmail and gave up :)
[01:02] <akk> Oh, yeah, I've used my key to sign software packages (is that the same key? I'm always confused about when I'm using a GPG key vs. an ssh key)
[01:02] <bkerensa> keys actually are a major headache for me personally because people new to Ubuntu love to ask me to teach them how to generate a key and sign the CoC
[01:03]  * bkerensa uses a key for Amazon EC2 and for root to two boxes but thats all :D
[01:11] <jtatum> two different keys :)
[01:12] <jtatum> ssh key only does ssh and that's it
[01:12] <jtatum> and you can't use a gpg key to connect to an ssh session
[01:13] <jtatum> kinda seems dumb actually. shouldn't they support gpg keys for ssh?
[01:14] <akk> ssh can do a lot, though -- like repository access (I have an ssh key I use for that)
[01:15] <akk> I had to generate a special one with a password for gnome svn (now git)
[01:15] <jtatum> yes - when ssh is the underlying protocol :)
[01:16] <akk> so the process is quite a lot like making a gpg key and it's easy to forget which is which
[01:17] <jtatum> hm, apparently there's a tool called gpgkey2ssh, which is part of gnupg-agent
[01:18] <jtatum> and it may or may not be deprecated according to http://old.nabble.com/gpgkey2ssh-td30025315.html
[01:19] <akk> oh, great, that clears things up :)
[01:20] <jtatum> lol
[01:20] <jtatum> sorry :)
[01:36] <Corey> pleia2: Do I need to bring my passport to dinner? :-p
[01:36] <pleia2> Corey: just a a single form of gov't ID is fine (drivers license?)
[01:37] <Corey> pleia2: So far this year it's gotten me into Mexico, Morocco, Germany, Israel, and... your web of trust. :-p
[01:37] <pleia2> lol
[01:37] <pleia2> I don't have a stamp
[01:37] <pleia2> :)
[01:37] <Corey> pleia2: Make one!
[01:37] <Corey> Republic of pleia. Official motto: Subsisto Sermonem Statum
[01:38] <pleia2> haha, hey!
[01:42] <pleia2> Corey: wanna meet at montgomery and market and walk over?
[01:42] <pleia2> (not sure where you are at the moment :))
[01:44] <Corey> pleia2: Sure!  I'm in the FlatIron building.
[01:44] <Corey> Sutter and Market.
[01:44] <pleia2> ok cool, say 6:15?
[01:46]  * pleia2 will wear bright green linode shirt
[01:46] <pleia2> well, any much of this green is bright
[01:46] <pleia2> green green
[01:54] <Corey> pleia2: k.   Just about to head to class
[18:35] <philipballew_> you live in CA?
[18:35] <sadsun> aye, it is, I was amazed at the statistics
[18:35] <sadsun> no, I am in the Netherlands
[18:35] <philipballew_> ah, i see
[18:36] <philipballew_> well, its off to class now
[18:36] <sadsun> half past seven here, that's why^^
[19:05] <jtatum> things are still a little quiet here sadsun :) speaking very generally, i think we tend not to be morning people :)
[19:05] <sadsun> np :)
[19:12]  * akk has her head buried in code
[19:18] <sadsun> need a snorkel?
[19:22] <akk> yeah, that might help :)
[19:23]  * sadsun polishes his snorkel from spit and hands it over to Akk
[19:24] <sadsun> what are you working on?
[19:27] <akk> sadsun: config parsing -- trying to get a program to save user prefs and read them back in again later.
[19:28] <akk> Getting a mapping program to remember its zoom level when you save a site, actually.
[19:28] <nhaines> akk: it's better if you enforce your preferences on the user.
[19:28] <nhaines> Much easier to code that way.
[19:28] <akk> That much is true, anyway. :)
[19:29] <sadsun> cool, which mapping program are we talking about?
[19:30] <akk> mine, pytopo -- http://shallowsky.com/software/topo/
[19:33] <sadsun> awesome, so you use googlemaps as well? or just the code?
[19:33] <akk> There! Just had to whip a regexp into shape.
[19:34] <akk> This isn't related to google maps -- it's a program you run on your local machine, and I've never tried to get it to use google maps data because I think that may violate google's TOS.
[19:34] <akk> It uses openstreetmap data, or any local maps you care to store.
[19:34] <nhaines> akk: I'm pretty sure it does.
[19:35] <jyo> jtatum: How are we looking for the Ubuntu Hour tomorrow?
[19:36] <sadsun> I see, neat
[20:18] <jtatum> jyo: it's on like donkey kong
[20:18] <jtatum> sent an email to the list yesterday. so far no attendees on the loco page but i'll be there anyway :)
[22:01] <philipballew> jtatum, How often is your hour?
[22:08] <pleia2> philipballew: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours#Current_Ubuntu_Hours
[22:08] <pleia2> monthly
[22:10] <philipballew> haha. thanks pleia2 :)
[23:26] <jtatum> ^^^ that :)
[23:27] <nhaines> I really do need to come up with a landing page for my UH.


[12:33] <didrocks> I might be late/missing the MIR meeting, I have nothing special either way
[12:57] <cpaelzer> hiho
[12:58] <cpaelzer> pre-meeting ping for doko, cyphermox, jamespage, sarnold, joeubuntu, didrocks
[12:58] <joeubuntu> hey cpaelzer !
[12:58] <jamespage> o/
[12:58] <jamespage> good afternoon/morning/evening/<insert your time of day here>
[13:05] <cpaelzer> hmm nobody is starting this
[13:05] <cpaelzer> cyphermox: doko: are you busy (not sure if you are in the release Team)
[13:05] <joeubuntu> Libheif and Zsys are still in queue and being worked on if that helps.
[13:05] <cpaelzer> like didrocks I'd have nothing special from my POV today
[13:06] <cpaelzer> thanks joeubuntu
[13:06] <cyphermox> cpaelzer: hey
[13:07] <cpaelzer> It feels today things will be done in <5 min, but that doesn't have to be bad
[13:07] <cpaelzer> lets get this started ...
[13:07] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[13:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 15 13:07:15 2019 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[13:07] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[13:07] <cpaelzer> we had no actions of last week AFAIK
[13:07] <cpaelzer> therefore no review of those
[13:07] <cpaelzer> also the NEW MIR queue is empty
[13:07] <cpaelzer> we can skip that section as well
[13:08] <cpaelzer> joeubuntu: already stated that "Libheif and Zsys are still in queue and being worked on if that helps."
[13:08] <cpaelzer> which is great
[13:08] <cpaelzer> that only leaves
[13:08] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[13:08] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[13:09] <cpaelzer> nothing new, last touch was abootimg whcih we talked about last week
[13:09] <cpaelzer> whcih makes me think we can directly go to
[13:09] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[13:09] <cpaelzer> so, anything other than too many pressing release issues atm?
[13:10] <cpaelzer> didrocks: and I stated already that we have nothing for this week
[13:10] <cpaelzer> semes no one else either
[13:10] <cpaelzer> 5 ... 4 ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... 1 ...1 ... arr bug
[13:10] <cpaelzer> ok, who said this can't ever be quick and simple
[13:10] <cpaelzer> thats it then for today I think
[13:10] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[13:10] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 15 13:10:51 2019 UTC.
[13:10] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-10-15-13.07.moin.txt
[13:11] <cpaelzer> fix some Eoan bugs everyone :-)
[13:12] <joeubuntu> bye :)
[13:22] <didrocks> was short and effective :)


[03:47] <ChinnoDog> Peeps. I have ordered some equipment from Newegg with 2 day shipping just moments ago. What day will it arrive on?
[05:13] <bts3685|vps> ChinnoDog: late sat, but prolly monday
[09:18] <rmg51> Morning
[12:05] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> bts3685|vps: I got a ship notification at 1:46pm. So, you think it will be here by Monday? My cable modem is in that box. I guess I can get cable install on Tuesday then? Maybe Wed to be safe.
[18:37] <ChinnoDog> oh. Cox has Internet self install kit. That works best.
[19:03] <bts3685|vps> ChinnoDog: yah, honestly the field techs don't do shit, at least the louisiana cox techs
[19:04] <bts3685|vps> they plug the cable modem in and call the CO/POP and give them the MAC. that's it
[19:04] <ChinnoDog> I can do that. I have a degree in that.
[19:05] <ChinnoDog> I also bought an Asus RT-N66U I am going to install DD-WRT on. It is N and not AC but the egg gave me a good deal.
[19:13] <bts3685|vps> AC is pretty awesome (my AP cluster has it) but i see a lot of issues on windows machines (they refuse to associate to a closer AP, for instance).
[19:14] <bts3685|vps> you might wanna go with openwrt, though! i'm loving it more and more. you can even use their buildroot and compile your own custom firmware to same some space
[19:14] <ChinnoDog> I'm too lazy to compile my own custom firmware.
[19:14] <bts3685|vps> also has newer kernel versions than dd-wrt iirc. stable uses 3.4.x i think
[19:14] <bts3685|vps> aw c'mon, it's easy
[19:14] <ChinnoDog> lazy++
[19:15] <bts3685|vps> jthan has infected your motivation, i see
[19:15] <bts3685|vps> (this is where pennbutt would pipe in and tell us that jthan is lazy)
[19:20] <ChinnoDog> "ubuntu-districtofcolumbia" expired from "Approved Loco Teams" team. Does that mean DC is no longer an official LoCo?
[19:31] <bts3685|vps> would seem it
[19:41] <ChinnoDog> sad trombone


[07:12] <mup> PR snapd#13306 closed: spread.yaml: set default kernel channel to beta <Run nested> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13306>
[09:23] <mup> PR snapd#13312 opened: cmd/snap-update-ns: prepare snap-update-ns for ensure-dir mounts <Created by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13312>
[09:53] <mup> PR snapd#13309 closed: aspects: reject null values for all types  <Squash-merge> <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13309>
[09:53] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4410 opened: Update official docker image <Enhancement> <Created by VladRassokhin> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4410>
[10:08] <mup> PR snapd#13313 opened: aspects: support boolean type in aspect schemas <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13313>
[12:18] <mup> PR snapd#13314 opened: o/backend: move unlocking snap run inhibition lock after auto connections <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by ZeyadYasser> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13314>
[12:33] <mup> PR snapd#13078 closed: wrappers: install snapd .desktop files on core <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by robert-ancell> <Merged by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13078>
[13:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#4409 closed: chore(deps): update craft-providers to 1.18.0 <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4409>
[14:24] <mup> PR snapd#13315 opened: tests: skip layout-change test in all arm devices <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13315>
[15:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#4087 closed: python v2 plugin: support building parts conforming to PEP 518 <Created by brlin-tw> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4087>
[16:44] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4411 opened: Store spread tests failing <Bug> <Created by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4411>
[16:49] <mup> PR snapd#13316 opened: gadget: prevent failures when updating kernel/gadget on UC16/18 <Run nested> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13316>
[16:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#4405 closed: build(deps): bump urllib3 from 1.26.17 to 1.26.18 in /docs/.sphinx <Dependencies> <Python> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4405>
[21:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#4404 closed: build(deps): bump urllib3 from 1.26.17 to 1.26.18 <Dependencies> <Python> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4404>


[01:04] <mrd_> help me iam not able to sync any contat to u1
[01:04] <mrd_> help me iam not able to sync any contat to u1
[01:04] <mrd_> help me iam not able to sync any contat to u1
[01:04] <mrd_> help me iam not able to sync any contat to u1
[01:04] <mrd_> help me iam not able to sync any contat to u1 from facebook
[15:36] <Mrokii> Hello. I have a problem with Banshee which complains that my "Purchased Music" folder is not subscribed (which it is, according to the Ubuntu One Client). Therefore, Banshee doesn't download my purchased music.
[15:46] <Mrokii> I must say buying music via Banshee is almost constantly annoying. It never seems to work right out of the box.
[16:05] <Mrokii> Oh well. I guess that was the last time I tried buying music over the Ubuntu One Store. Bye.


[01:56] <smoser> blackboxsw: well, its that there is no python
[01:56] <smoser> in rawhide
[01:56] <smoser> well, we could buildpend on python2 and use python2.
[01:57] <smoser> thats probably the easiest path out of it... to just build python2 for fedora, but we really want to be doing python3 there.
[01:58] <blackboxsw> yet on successes I also see the missing python log
[01:59] <blackboxsw> https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/blackboxsw/cloud-init/fedora-rawhide-i386/00776423-cloud-init/build.log.gz
[01:59] <smoser> all by myself tomorrow :)
[01:59] <smoser> wll that is odd.
[01:59] <blackboxsw> yet in this success case the diff is logged from sh instead of /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.v0 etc
[01:59] <blackboxsw> BUILDSTDERR: sh: /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory
[01:59] <smoser> i think that is just an error in their build system
[01:59] <smoser> that it didn't catch failure
[02:00] <blackboxsw> get a few of those and then it goes on building
[02:00] <smoser> if you're saying that url is a success
[02:00] <smoser> hm...
[02:00] <blackboxsw> yeah the last one was a success and continued building perBuilding target platforms: i686
[02:00] <blackboxsw>  "
[02:03] <blackboxsw> it's strange, I'll try kick off a build myself from tip pre-get-linux-distro   to see if it passes. here's the proper "pass" linked logs from cloud-init-dev's run before my changeset landed in tip<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:04] <blackboxsw> that differs from my local failed build attempt https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/blackboxsw/cloud-init/fedora-rawhide-i386/00776423-cloud-init/build.log.gz
[02:05] <smoser> how'd you local build ?
[02:13] <blackboxsw> I local built a source rpm and uploaded it via copr UI in the "new Build" dialog ./tools/run-container  --source-package centos/7
[02:14] <blackboxsw> ok gotta run
[02:14] <smoser> oh. right. ok. i didn't understand that as "local"
[13:23] <caribou> smoser: I just pushed modifications for my MR. For some reason Jenkins did not trigger after the failed build
[13:23] <caribou> but I have one issue that I'd like to bounce by you people
[13:25] <caribou> The network config gets generated on each boot, but, even though I see bring_up=True, the network config does not get applied (i.e. the IPv6 portion of it)
[13:31] <caribou> I traced it down to _write_network_config that returns the result of _supported_write_network_config, which always happens to be an empty list
[13:35] <caribou> Since _bring_up_interfaces() scans that list, it never brings up any device
[13:35] <caribou> I hope I'm making some sense
[13:57] <smoser> caribou: you have to be in a group to get it to autmatically run for you
[13:57] <smoser> dont know if you're in it or not.
[13:58] <caribou> well, usually it runs on each new commit
[13:58] <caribou> the first one failed then I fixed & pushed again
[13:58] <smoser> caribou: bring_up=True should actually be removed.  we dont do anything with it now, and i think its not really supposed to get called (but i'd have to dig to remember)
[13:58] <smoser> it was kind of garbage from long time a go.
[13:58] <smoser> what is supposed to happen is that cloud-init in local mod renders the networking configuration
[13:59] <smoser> and then the operating system brings it all up as it would if that was writtenb efore the boot.
[13:59] <caribou> hmm, that'll explain it, I moved it back to DEP_NETWORK
[14:00] <caribou> hmm, then that means that I still need to rely on EphemeralDHCP since I need to fetch the metadata to the the IPv6 info
[14:02] <smoser> caribou: yes. you do need to use ephemeraldhcp
[14:03] <smoser> caribou: maybe some background info ...
[14:03] <smoser>  - local runs before networking is brough up by the OS
[14:03] <caribou> got that
[14:03] <smoser>  - cloud-init.service runs *after* networking is brought up by the OS
[14:04] <smoser>  - we want to guarnatee that things that need networking can use it when the OS says it is up.
[14:04] <smoser>  ie, we do not want cloud-init to go bouncing the interfaces
[14:04] <caribou> k
[14:05] <smoser> so we write networking before the OS brings it up and let the OS bring it up
[14:05] <smoser> with future events we may have cloud-initn bounsing networking
[14:05] <caribou> So the use of EventType is to assure that the network_config in the ds will run at each boot and not on the initialone
[14:05] <smoser> or otherwise telling the OS to apply new networking of some sort.
[14:05] <smoser> right.
[14:05] <caribou> ok got it
[14:06] <caribou> I'll fix it up as such & push again
[14:06] <caribou> thanks for the details
[14:06] <smoser> users of scaleway will by default have cloud-init render networking on every boot
[14:06] <smoser> they will be able to disable that
[14:06] <smoser> but should they do that... then they wont get networking rendered on boot, and bad things might happen.
[14:06] <smoser> the reason we allow them to disable that behavior.
[14:07] <smoser> a.) cloud-init has not behaved like this in the past (backwards compat desire)
[14:07] <smoser> b.) they may have other ways of building things on top . perhaps they bring up a vpn or something, and cloud-init would cause issues with that if it modified the networking configuraitoin on reboot.
[14:08] <caribou> good, understood
[14:32] <caribou> Grrr, I accidentaly delete my MR branch off LP :-(
[14:33] <caribou> smoser: any chance of tying a new branch on the original MR ? Or I should just close this one & create a new one ?
[14:44] <smoser> caribou: "tying a new branch?"
[14:45] <smoser> i suspect if you just push the branch again with same name it might work
[15:12] <caribou> smoser: doesn't look like it, maybe I try ro resubmit
[15:18] <smoser> ok
[15:30] <caribou> smoser: sorry, had to delete & resubmit it was referring to the dead branch
[15:37] <smoser> caribou: i'll get a look at that today.
[21:18] <powersj> smoser: are you using blackboxsw's gce instances?
[21:22] <smoser> powersj: no.
[21:22]  * powersj blows them away then