[13:24] <Matt-_> Hey... i have some problem reinstalling mysql. been looking at stackoverflow and done alot of things.. but it still seems that i cant completely my system of mysql
[14:26] <stevie86> Hi!
[14:27] <stevie86> How can I enable ssh access on lubuntu?
[15:53] <james1138> Two techy questions for the group about Lubuntu <32 bit version>. 1st - has anyone got Chromium and/or Firefox to view Netflix movies?? 2nd - has anyone who is using Lubuntu version 14.04 been able to get "Calendar-Indicator" to autostart at boot up?? Mine appears to crash... I meant do nothing. I can install the app and start it manually but not auto-start on each boot. Feel free on reply on-list or in private message.
[17:15] <techguyman> I got a question would lubuntu be a good choice for my system?
[17:16] <techguyman> its a 900 mhz with 512 mb of ram and a 30 gb hard drive
[22:32] <LuigiWriter> lubuntu mtp probe is trying to find a mtp device on my HP110-220z on buss six and has cycled up to number 185 which is not an mtp device. anyway to continue the install
[22:36] <LuigiWriter> Sorry, device 125. The process indicator indicates the installer is still slogging on trying to find this device and the skip button is greyed out.
[23:39] <LuigiWriter> The Lubuntu install is now completely stalled even though the process active indicator is still spinning. I need to get this machine up and running for my wife, any help appreciated. I have now posted this question at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mtp/+addquestion
[23:39] <LuigiWriter> Titled, "lubuntu mtp probe is failing to find a usb device and install is effectively stalled"
[23:41] <LuigiWriter> Is the "mtp probe" package maintained only by the Ubuntu project?
[23:41] <wxl> you got anything plugged into usb?
[23:47] <LuigiWriter> no
[23:48] <LuigiWriter> did not think I should on an install.
[23:48] <wxl> generally shouldn't
[23:48] <wxl> which iso are you using?
[23:52] <LuigiWriter> ISO downloaded to a DVD from the lubuntu site about two weeks ago.
[23:52] <wxl> which version? from which site?
[23:58] <Fr_Dae> LuigiWriter retry creat a clean luve USB with rufus and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.10/release/lubuntu-16.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[23:58] <Fr_Dae> monoboot or dualboot ?
[23:59] <Fr_Dae> and check your SMART stat disk and workbench it
[23:59] <Fr_Dae> i have a bad fillign with you error
[23:59] <LuigiWriter> downloaded from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu  and is a mono boot


[01:38] <Culiforge> coalwater, around?
[06:44] <r4y> I found a neat commandline program called audio-convert and instead of just converting one file at a time I want to convert all the audio files in one folder at a time. How do I do that?
[06:45] <r4y> I didn't think to man audio-convert
[06:45] <r4y> sorry
[06:45] <bioterror> make a shell script
[06:46] <bioterror> for example
[06:46] <r4y> I've never made a script before. I've read about it before
[06:46] <r4y> It doesn't have a man page
[06:48] <r4y> I did audio-convert --help
[06:51] <philipballew> I wonder if someone has a form post anywhere on this?
[06:52] <philipballew> does audio-convert have an irc channel as well?
[06:54] <philipballew> r4y, not sure if that helps
[06:59] <r4y> It's cool. I have a quicker way to do it now. I took a file, right clicked it chose open with and went down to use costume command and typed in audio-convert, then click cancel and then I highlighted all the audio files in a folder by holding down shift because the album art sometimes gets in the way. The control key can be used to highlight and un-highlight one file at a time.
[07:01] <r4y> It would be cool to remake this program which is a script into a costume script, so I don't have to choose what bit rate I want every time and what format and whether the tags get passed through, but I am happy.
[07:04] <r4y> There is no channel on freenode for audio-convert, but I have been using Ubuntu for a few years and I have never heard of audio-convert before. I have used soundconverter before many many times.
[07:06] <philipballew> r4y, alright, it might that their irc is just not on freenode
[07:06] <r4y> I found audio-convert to get the highest bit rate for converting audio files. I was going to use audacity but I wasn't sure what to pick for conversion so I started Googling around and I found audio-convert
[07:07] <r4y> Right, freenode is not the only network on the internet. I get it.
[07:08] <r4y> I meant irc network. Oops
[07:10] <r4y> Anyways, I am happy with audio-convert and I want to go. Thank you all for being here for the Linux people.
[07:11] <r4y> :) /
[09:42] <Culiforge> mornin hobgoblin
[09:46] <hobgoblin> hi Culiforge
[09:49] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, was it you that was helping me the other day along with urlin2u with my non booting system?
[09:49] <hobgoblin> mmm - possibly ...
[09:49] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, so many people, I can't keep track of them all :)
[09:50] <hobgoblin> lol - all I did was point you at pyschocat's minimal install pages it seems
[09:51] <hobgoblin> you still got problems?
[09:51] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, oh yeah, i remember now.
[09:52] <hobgoblin> use a client that keeps logs then you can look back :p
[09:52] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, yeah, still got problems.. coalwater and I tried a bunch of stuff. I had to leave him yesterday as he was reading the chat logs to see what all I've done so far
[09:53] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, apparently he had similar issues with his nvidia card but what worked for him doesn't work for me
[09:53] <hobgoblin> well if you want to restate the issues I can have a look - but I will be in and out
[09:55] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, sure: installed nvidia 8400gs, system installed restricted drivers, restart, system hangs at bootsplash with .pid error, reinstalled grub a couple of times through chroot, passed some commands to boot through grub
[09:55] <Culiforge> such as nomodesed and gfxpayload
[09:55] <Culiforge> nomodeset
[09:56] <Culiforge> edited xorg.conf, replaced xorg.conf...
[09:57] <Culiforge> hmm, may be more.. it all seems a blur by now.. it's been almost 2 weeks of trying to figure this out there's more I'm sure of it
[09:58] <hobgoblin> k - you know how to pastebin I assume - get me the xorg.log   - you can see it in log file viewer, or in a terminal do   cat /var/log/xorg.0.log
[09:59] <hobgoblin> let me also see your grub.cfg    cat /etc/default/grub
[10:00] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, ok
[10:00] <hobgoblin> dmesg might be worth a look as well - either log file viewer or cat /var/log/dmesg
[10:01] <hobgoblin> pastebin them all and I'll see if I can see anything - at the moment what graphics driver is it using - nouveau or nvidia
[10:02] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, getting logs now, others have asked for this as well http://paste.ubuntu.com/829922/
[10:05] <hobgoblin> I want current ones - I assume that is a current one - if you're doing a lot of this pastebinning - install pastebinit - then you can cat /etc/default/grub |pastebinit and it's done easily :)
[10:05] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, xorg log http://paste.ubuntu.com/831151/
[10:07] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/831152/
[10:07] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, sorry for the havy reading so early
[10:07] <hobgoblin> lol - give me a while to look and see if I Can see anythig
[10:08] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, don't know what driver it's using i'm not that savvy, thanks for your help hobgoblin
[10:09] <hobgoblin> nouveau :)
[10:10] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: can I have the /etc/default/grub you gave me a bootscript output
[10:11] <hobgoblin> is that actually a current one ?
[10:13] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, that should be the current
[10:13] <hobgoblin> k
[10:15] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: well they all look ok to me - is this the machine that you are talking to me on?
[10:16] <Culiforge> yeah but i'm on a live os right now
[10:16] <hobgoblin> does it not boot?
[10:16] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, I can access the drives but no boot
[10:16] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, not even recovery
[10:17] <hobgoblin> mmm
[10:17] <hobgoblin> so you still get the crash at bootsplash with the restricted drivers disabled?
[10:17] <Culiforge> yes
[10:20] <hobgoblin> ok - what happens when you boot recovery?
[10:20] <hobgoblin> do you get as far as the menu?
[10:21] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, well, wait.. disabled.. I'm sure we've disabled rest drivers but not certain. recover has same behavior
[10:21] <hobgoblin> do you have an xorg.conf? ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:22] <hobgoblin> also what version of buntu is this?
[10:22] <Culiforge> one sec. i'm not chroot'd so I have to find it through the file manager... 10.04
[10:23] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, xorg http://paste.ubuntu.com/831163/
[10:24] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, Prev. xorg http://paste.ubuntu.com/831165/
[10:25] <hobgoblin> ok - well I know for a fact that 10.04 and nvidia 8400gt works lol
[10:25] <hobgoblin> any reason why you are using 10.04
[10:26] <Culiforge> hobgoblin,  A thought just occurred to me... would it have anything to do with using badger repos?
[10:26] <geirha> ...what??
[10:27] <hobgoblin> thanks geirha - saved me doing it - never heard of those lol
[10:27] <geirha> You definitely don't want to use breezy badger repos
[10:28] <hobgoblin> oh lol
[10:28] <hobgoblin> yea - you'd not want to do thatr Culiforge
[10:28] <Culiforge> no, it's something else.. I'm looking it up now
[10:29] <Culiforge> http://badgerports.org/
[10:29] <geirha> That's for use with 8.04, you have 10.04, so you should remove that ppa
[10:30] <hobgoblin> no - you'd not want to do that either - what are you using them for
[10:30] <Culiforge> 10.01 http://badgerports.org/about.html
[10:30] <Culiforge> 10.04
[10:31] <hobgoblin> so they are mostly just mono things it seems
[10:32] <Culiforge> I used it for Mono to run Marcedit but am wondering if maybe the nvidia driver was taken from there
[10:32] <Culiforge> if that would be a possiblility or issue
[10:32] <hobgoblin> try renaming the xorg.cong to xorg.conf.bak and booting
[10:32] <Culiforge> did that yesterday
[10:33] <Culiforge> no joy
[10:33] <hobgoblin> mmm
[10:33] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: you any good with hardware?
[10:34] <hobgoblin> oh - also you say you are using a livecd - is that a 10.04 livecd?
[10:34] <Culiforge> hobgoblin,  Hehe, what do you mean "good" can I install a video card physically.. yes... no, it's a Parted magic liveos
[10:35] <hobgoblin> ok
[10:35] <Culiforge> I can flop over to a 10.04 live if I can find it...
[10:35] <hobgoblin> that would be useful - you could have a look at the xorg.conf if it has one and copy it over.
[10:36] <Culiforge> looking through the stack of live cd's ..... .....
[10:36] <hobgoblin> I would be inclined to disable the badgerports thing - do an update in the chroot you've been using if you can
[10:37] <geirha> aptitude search '~i nvidia' # will list all installed packages who's names contain "nvidia". apt-cache policy <package-name>  will tell you what repos a package is found in.
[10:37] <hobgoblin> if that's not a go - I would seriously start thinking about hardware problems if all the software help you've had is not getting anywhere
[10:37] <hobgoblin> I'd also be inclined to getting a newer version to try as well
[10:38] <hobgoblin> you shouldn't be having issues with that card - I've been using the same for a long time
[10:38] <Culiforge> I've got a 10.04 64bit... will that work?
[10:38] <Culiforge> not for chroot but for the xorg?
[10:39] <hobgoblin> should do
[10:39] <hobgoblin> geirha: what do you think
[10:39] <Culiforge> ooh, wait.. I've got a minimal disc as well
[10:40] <geirha> I don't think 10.04 has an xorg.conf by default
[10:41] <geirha> does the login screen work?
[10:41] <hobgoblin> yea :( so removing the xorg doesn't help either
[10:41] <Culiforge> geirha, login screen for ...
[10:42] <geirha> where you type in username and password for a graphical login
[10:42] <hobgoblin> geirha: crashes during bootsplash
[10:42] <Culiforge> geirha, no, can't get that far.
[10:42] <Culiforge> what he said
[10:43] <hobgoblin> a pid error
[10:43] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: actually - can you boot it and get the exact message
[10:44] <Culiforge> yeah, I (hehe) took a picture of it.. and put it on imagebin... a few days ago
[10:44] <hobgoblin> ok - lets have a look then :)
[10:45] <Culiforge> looking for it
[10:47] <Culiforge> ok, actually this is the behind the bootsplash from a recovery boot.. I'd have to reboot to get you the pid message http://imagebin.org/197268
[10:48] <Culiforge> which I can do if you also need
[10:50] <Culiforge> shall I?
[10:50] <hobgoblin> please
[10:51] <Culiforge> ok, will be switching chat to laptop and I'll be back in acouple min
[10:54] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, OK just gotta put it to imagebin and I'll be right with you
[11:16] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: all gone quiet ...
[11:17] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, yeah, sorry... had to switch to my son's windows laptop... slower than dirt when you run more than 2 programs and 3 tabs in chrome
[11:17] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, waiting for it to catch it's breath
[11:17] <hobgoblin> lol
[11:18] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, http://imagebin.org/197586
[11:21] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, crud!  I gotta run for a bit.. be back in 15-20
[11:21] <hobgoblin> k
[11:29] <hobgoblin> geirha: you got any ideas - I've not
[11:34] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, i'm in and out... if no ideas from here is it possible to rescue my system and reinstall?
[11:35] <hobgoblin> I would first  check the video card - take it out see if it boots ok with the onboard
[11:35] <hobgoblin> if you want to reinstall - backup
[11:36] <hobgoblin> I'd probably look to a newer version than 10.04 unless there's some specific reason why you are using it
[11:36] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, will do, tried that at first with no luck but that was almost 2 weeks ago
[11:37] <hobgoblin> you tried taking the card out?
[11:37] <hobgoblin> tried a memtest?
[11:37] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, yeah, when the issue first happened... yes, ran memtest.. no problems
[11:38] <hobgoblin> so a livecd boots but an install doesn't
[11:39] <Culiforge> right
[11:39] <hobgoblin> 10.04 is about when plymouth started to be used iirc - wasn't too good to start with
[11:39] <hobgoblin> I'd seriously look at a newer version
[11:41] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, whoozawhatsis.. I don't understand any of that... maybe later today i'll be on to find out what I need to backup. then reinstall a higher ver. then I'll dual boot fedora as well as I need that for work
[11:42] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, memtest just loops untill you stop it right?
[11:44] <hobgoblin> yes it does
[11:45] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: well I'll be about all day - ping me if you want
[11:56] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, will do, thanks for your help
[11:57] <Culiforge> geirha, thanks to you too
[12:06] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, ok, before I go to work.. I'll start backing up. What files/folders.. home for one right? anything out of / that will help me to retain installed program settings?
[12:09] <hobgoblin> about the only thing I keep from / is /etc/fstab
[12:09] <hobgoblin> personalised settings will be in /home
[12:09] <hobgoblin> though anything you might have server wise like apache etc I would have no idea about
[12:11] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, I do have a library catalog with apache mysql and a program called koha but I should be able to restore that easy enough. Mostly concerned about pics, vids and docs as part of my personal stuff
[12:13] <Culiforge> hobgoblin, so I'm using grsync 'cause it's right there.. should I just leave settings at default or to I need to preserve things like owner and permissions and group and whatnot
[12:13] <hobgoblin> assuming you have them in default places then they'll be in /home
[12:21] <Culiforge> ok, I'm out for the morning... tc all
[16:32] <e33> hi
[16:33] <e33> Hi, i have lenovo with ubuntu 11.10, i have issue with wireless, when i tried on of the posts regarding wireless, i got ERROR: Module acer_wmi does not exist in /proc/modules
[16:34] <e33> anyone can advise why cannot locate acer_wmi?
[16:54] <deper29> hey, can someone help me with this potentially? http://askubuntu.com/questions/72003/grub-invalid-arch-independent-elf-magic-after-11-10-install-on-macbook-pro-5
[16:54] <deper29> I don't know which drives I should be mounting. I don't have a macbook, but I do have that problem that is outlined there
[16:57] <phillw> hi deper29 there are not that many on here with Macs. You may well find more success asking on the Mac section on the main forum http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=328
[16:58] <deper29> anyone?
[17:00] <deper29> phillw, I don't have a mac, I do have a PC
[17:01] <deper29> I'm just curious which drives I should be mounting
[17:03] <phillw> deper29: are you dual booting?
[17:03] <deper29> yeah, windows
[17:03] <hobgoblin> deper29: without knowing exactly what went on in that askubunt thing - I would hazard a guess that sda3 was the / drive and sda1 the /boot
[17:03] <hobgoblin> check that against what you have
[17:04] <phillw> deper29: have a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/78095/grub-elf-magic-error-message-after-installation-how-to-get-dual-boot-option it covers a dual boot machine
[17:04] <deper29> hobgoblin, how can I see which ones I have?
[17:05] <deper29> er, which device partitions I have rather
[17:07] <phillw> deper29: sudo fdisk -l
[17:07] <phillw> will list your partitions
[17:15] <deper29> phillw, my internet connection is being very slow, I apologize
[17:15] <phillw> deper29: thats okay.
[17:15] <deper29> I am putting the output on pastebin
[17:16] <deper29> phillw, http://pastebin.com/hh7zs2QJ
[17:17] <phillw> deper29: the one to install grub onto is /dev/sda1
[17:17] <phillw> do boot from a live CD though!
[17:18] <deper29> I'm on a live one now :)
[17:18] <deper29> would i have to mount two drives as they did in their scenario? or just one?
[17:18] <deper29> just the sda1?
[17:20] <phillw> deper29: what does the command df show?
[17:22] <deper29> phillw, http://pastebin.com/38uNLp6Q
[17:22] <deper29> i mounted sda1 to /mnt
[17:23] <deper29> i can undo that if I need
[17:27] <phillw> deper29: that looks fine, now issue   sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sda1 /dev/sda    ( that is 2 of - before root, --root, not -root)
[17:27] <deper29> okay, I'll give this a shot
[17:30] <deper29> should directory=/mnt instead?
[17:30] <deper29> I did sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt earlier
[17:31] <phillw> yes, sorry I was not paying attention
[17:32] <phillw> I'm following a different set of instructions!
[17:33] <deper29> phillw, lol, that's okay. I don't think it worked :( http://pastebin.com/6DDRfctF
[17:34] <phillw> deper29: use the instructions at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1014708   (yours is dev/sda1, not dev/sda5 as in that example).
[17:36] <hobgoblin> I am fairly sure that you need a seperate /boot partition
[17:37] <deper29> so I should unmount sda1 for now?
[17:37] <deper29> then just restart at those instructions?
[17:37] <deper29> hobgoblin, what do you suggest for that?
[17:38] <deper29> phillw, followed the instructions. got the exact same thing :(
[17:38] <phillw> deper29: yeah unmount
[17:41] <deper29> still got that same thing though
[17:41] <deper29> said /mnt doesn't look like an EFI partition
[17:42] <hobgoblin> not sure tbh - not got much into it as yet and I've got some net issues here so can't get on search engines very well
[17:42] <phillw> deper29: re-issue df and pastebin, please.
[17:43] <deper29> i see :/
[17:45] <deper29> wait, I see the error
[17:46] <deper29> phillw, http://pastebin.com/0sPMH5c1
[17:46] <deper29> i unmounted the drive though. what should I be mounting for /dev/sda?
[17:47] <deper29> they have that in their example, but the error I get back when I do grub-install is "(is /dev mounted?)."
[17:48] <phillw> deper29: according to that paste, /dev/sda1 is not mounted anywhere....
[17:49] <phillw> sudo mkdir /media/sda1
[17:49] <phillw> sudo mount /dev/sda5 /media/sda1
[17:49] <phillw> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sda1 /dev/sda
[17:50] <phillw> oops!!! sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[17:52] <deper29> phillw, sorry I had done all of that stuff and then it didn't work so I unmounted then ran df. here is what I have now http://pastebin.com/ZWDxdHNa
[17:53] <phillw> :) it's mounted
[17:53] <phillw> deper29: sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sda1 /dev/sda should now work!
[17:53] <phillw> ARGGGGHH typo...
[17:53] <phillw> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/sda1 /dev/sda
[17:54] <deper29> http://pastebin.com/JMgArmr1
[17:59] <deper29> phillw, sorry, disconnected there
[18:00] <phillw> hi deper29 I've had a further dig & things are more involved than I thought.
[18:00] <deper29> oh no
[18:00] <phillw> I've never 'played' with Win7 and EFI
[18:01] <deper29> I see
[18:01] <deper29> so this is a lot more difficult then?
[18:03] <phillw> It is certainly more involved and beyond my knowledge. take a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1837235 to give you an idea! If there is not someone on here familiar with that scenario by honest advice is to post onto the main forum area in that section (don't tag onto that thread, start a new one!) Give as much info as you can and one the people familiar with the situation will reply.
[18:04] <deper29> okay, I will give that a shot. thanks a bunch for your help :) I really appreciate it!
[19:28] <congressmon> Hello... I have an issue with trying to install linux on both usb stick and/or usb hdd.. can anyone help me??
[19:29] <congressmon> It's like this machine won't let me install linux ... not even with the WUBI utility...
[19:30] <congressmon> Helloooooo
[20:05] <congressmon> Hello...
[20:06] <congressmon> I need help installing UBuntu 11.10 on a usb stick
[20:06] <congressmon> I've checked all the web resources... still hving problem with booting
[21:25] <s-fox> Hello
[21:26] <Unit193> Hello
[21:27] <s-fox> How are you?
[21:28] <Unit193> Alive so it seems, and you?
[21:32] <s-fox> Keeping busy, covering bodhi's job on the forum.


[01:17] <chilts> ibeardslee is all on his own today
[02:02] <ibeardslee> no, you seem to be here as well
[02:06] <chilts> yes, but not this morning :)
[02:35] <G> ibeardslee: thanks for your comments earlier in the week Re: Carbon, unfortunately Lenovo lost themselves a sale, I asked them to tell me the difference between two very similar warranty options, their response was "We'll treat you as a more loyal customer and put you further ahead in the queue for fixes"
[02:38] <ibeardslee> .. interesting take on things
[02:39] <ibeardslee> you do know that you probably can't easily get a Linux version from them directly?
[02:39] <ibeardslee> at least in NZ
[02:41] <G> ibeardslee: yeah, I wasn't really worried about that part, (I was going to dual boot anyway for a couple of things that would be annoying under KVM), but if they can't even describe their own policies well, they don't get $'s from me.
[02:42] <ibeardslee> heh
[02:42] <ibeardslee> make sure you let them know that
[02:43] <ibeardslee> and make sure that's not just what it was ;)
[02:45] <G> ibeardslee: yeah, well I think I'll put it off until at least 6th Gen Intel processors are included, but their website is horribly broken in parts too.


[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #103521 in rosetta "Anonymous search field shown while translating" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103521
[12:56] <Kmos> gnomefreak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/103515
[12:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 103515 in firefox "crashed with sigsegv" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[12:56] <Kmos> :)
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #103525 in rosetta "Font sizes (style classes) seem mixed up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103525
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #103527 in launchpad "Translation page for one text at a time shows "no title" instead of the correct title" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103527
[06:43] <jeffwheeler> Is it okay to register a test project with Launchpad, to use with a personal project for bug tracking and such, and it is not terribly likely it will grow much very soon.
[06:46] <jeffwheeler> I mean, is it okay to use it for personally tracking software?
[06:50] <radix> jeffwheeler: yes, it is definitely useful for that
[06:50] <radix> I've got two or three projects hosted there already
[06:50] <jeffwheeler> radix: thanks; I didn't want to be the only one rudely using it personally ;)
[06:51] <jeffwheeler> I got the impression it was only for larger projects...
[06:51] <radix> jeffwheeler: no, definitely not, use it for all of your projects
[06:51] <RAOF> Eh, jml & I used it for joybot.
[06:51] <radix> jeffwheeler: and tell everyone to use it :-)
[06:51] <RAOF> That's hardly "larger software" :)
[06:51] <radix> RAOF: hi!
[06:51] <RAOF> radix: Hey :)
[06:52] <jml> RAOF: actually, that reminds me, we should probably mark that as abandoned.
[06:52] <RAOF> Maybe.
[06:52] <RAOF> I don't quite want to call it abandoned, though.
[09:06] <Hidan> hmmmmmm
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #103611 in launchpad "a progress bar on the site if uploading a crash file through firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103611
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #103637 in rosetta "Wish: Zoom in on the translation part of the page when translating" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103637
[12:07] <mdke> where is the rosetta import queue? can't find a link to it
[12:10] <mdke> ah, there it is
[01:14] <mdke> danilos: my upload of basic-commands.pot to ubuntu-docs about an hour ago does't seem to have been imported, although I can't find it in the import queue (too many results!!). How long do these things generally take?
[04:31] <ubotu> New bug: #103751 in launchpad ""Bugs related to" my user account miss some bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103751
[04:52] <bada> hi! I've just registered my project that originally hosted by SF.net. Can set bazaar branch as the primary source RCS?
[04:57] <statik> bada: I think you can do that
[04:57] <statik> bada: which project?
[04:57] <bada> libiqxmlrpc
[04:57] <bada> statik: actually I have not yet exported CVS into bazaar
[04:58] <statik> bada: you can request an import, which will pull all your CVS history into a bazaar branch on launchpad
[04:59] <statik> bada: or if you prefer to create the bazaar branch yourself, you can do that and simply push it up to launchpad
[04:59] <bada> statik: yes, it would be great. will the whole revision history would saved?
[04:59] <bada> statik: I wanted to ask if I able do that :)
[05:00] <statik> bada: I believe so, yes. I think sometimes there is trouble with branches, but you should find the import very useful overall.
[05:00] <bada> statik: I though I have to export CVS to bazaar with tailor and then somehow upload it to launchpad. Is't it?
[05:01] <statik> bada: you can use tailor to do the conversion yourself, or you can just specify the CVS repo information and we will try to import it for you (likely next week)
[05:02] <statik> https://launchpad.net/libiqxmlrpc/trunk/+source
[05:03] <bada> statik: Is not imported branch would be just a mirror of CVS?
[05:03] <bada> statik: I mean imported this way
[05:04] <statik> bada: a CVS import into launchpad contains all the revision history. It is a mirror in the sense that the system will periodically pull in any new revisions from CVS
[05:05] <statik> bada: you will also be able to look back at old revisions using bzr
[05:06] <ddaa> thanks statik for that detailed explanation
[05:06] <bada> statik: I see. I wanted switch to bazaar as an only VCS. So I think importing by hands is more appropriate
[05:06] <ddaa> bada: depends
[05:06] <ddaa> do you branches in CVS?
[05:06] <ddaa> do you *use* branches?
[05:07] <bada> ddaa: I am only developer. Almost no. I use tags.
[05:07] <ddaa> So launchpad imports will no lose no data, except for the tags.
[05:07] <ddaa> Tags have only been added to bzr very recently.
[05:08] <statik> bada: you are in the hands of the true expert now, ddaa is the one who can tell you exactly how it works
[05:08] <bada> statik: anyway, thank you :)
[05:08] <ddaa> Besides, the Launchpad import tool is significantly more robust than tailor for CVS repos with weird stuff in them.
[05:08] <bada> ddaa: weird stuff?
[05:09] <ddaa> CVS is known as "conceivably versions something"
[05:09] <ddaa> there are many cases when repos that cvs itself can deal with will confuse conversion tools
[05:10] <ddaa> mainly, because of the mismatch between cvs's file-based approach, while bzr (and other modern systems) consider atomic whole tree changes.
[05:10] <ddaa> bada: anyway, if you prefer to use tailor you're welcome.
[05:11] <ddaa> Launchpad imports are good enough for a lot of import who want to transition to bzr, but it's not their main intended purpose.
[05:11] <bada> ddaa: btw, I have recently read many comparsions between bzr and other distributed vcss. they say bzr dramatically loose in performance. will this situation change in near future?
[05:11] <ddaa> It's changing right now.
[05:12] <bada> ddaa: Is my understanding right, that main intend is create trunk mirros?
[05:12] <ddaa> recent improvements http://bazaar-vcs.org/Performance/0.15
[05:12] <ddaa> the next release will focus on improving performance over the network
[05:13] <bada> ddaa: looks impressive, thank you
[05:14] <ddaa> bada: right, the main intent of launchpad imports is to allow people to use bzr when the upstream project uses cvs or svn.
[05:14] <ddaa> it's more convenient to work on patches than using a checkout and "cvs/svn update".
[05:14] <ddaa> It also allows people to play with bzr on their own code with little effort, so they can evaluate bzr.
[05:15] <ddaa> But it's also used by some people as a tool to make a one-off transition conversion.
[05:15] <bada> ddaa: so launchpad's main point is to support accident contributors rather than upstream ones?
[05:15] <ddaa> What's the distinction?
[05:16] <ddaa> A lots of upstream contributors do not have commit access to a project most of the time.
[05:16] <bada> ddaa: Ah, I see
[05:16] <statik> we want to support both, and make it easy for them to work together
[05:16] <ddaa> And even those who have, may prefer to use bzr to work on a big checkin.
[05:17] <ddaa> there are many other solutions in this problem space
[05:17] <ddaa> launchpad import is just a very low effort (for you) solution when it works and if you can wait a few days.
[05:18] <ddaa> for cvs, there's also tailor and bzr-cvsps
[05:18] <bada> ddaa:  I mainly wanted switch from CVS to any distributed vcs in order to be more independent from network
[05:19] <bada> ddaa: so, if I will fail do the transition myself, I may ask launchpad's support
[05:19] <ddaa> You're welcome.
[05:20] <bada> ddaa: just to make things clearer: what additional benefits I may get from switching SF.net to launchpad?
[05:20] <ddaa> hu...
[05:20] <ddaa> launchpad does not suck quite as much as SF.net...
[05:21] <ddaa> but statik may know how to answer this better than I.
[05:21] <ddaa> statik: ping!
[05:21] <statik> bada: launchpad does not currently have mailing lists, and SF.net does
[05:21] <bada> "does not suck quite"... direct translation to russian makes no sense :)
[05:22] <bada> statik: I see
[05:22] <statik> bada: but I think you will find the other things, like bug tracking and code hosting, work very very well
[05:22] <statik> bada: we are currently working on adding mailing lists
[05:22] <bada> statik: and I will need leave files hosting at SF?
[05:22] <ddaa> yeah, let's say that what launchpad does, it does pretty well (bug tracking, bzr hosting, answer tracker, translations)
[05:22] <statik> bada: I'm working on adding files hosting to launchpad right now
[05:23] <statik> bada: things like the answer tracker and translations are features Launchpad has which other systems do not
[05:23] <ddaa> but it has a few annoying holes: lack of real ML support, file hosting, no wiki or web hosting.
[05:24] <bada> ok, I think I start with bzr branch hosting. And then we will see :)
[05:24] <bada> thank you for good explanation!
[05:25] <statik> bada: excellent! I think you will be happy with it, and you can always ask for help here or on lp-users mailing list.
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #103777 in launchpad "Grey sidebars only shut after page is loaded" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103777
[06:27] <bada> whether recent bzr versions compatible with more old ones. I.e. need I upgrade my bzr-0.11 on my Ubuntu laptop in order to be able to work with launchpad-hosted branches?
[06:28] <radix> bada: I'm pretty sure you don't need to upgrade
[06:29] <bada> radix: I see, thanks
[06:29] <radix> bada: that is, it shouldn't be up to launchpad, but rather it should be up to the specific branch that's hosted on launchpad. if it's in dirstate-tags format, for example, you'll need to get a newer bzr
[07:50] <phanatic> when will launchpad support bzr 0.15 branches?
[07:50] <ryanakca> any lp admins/bzr gurus around? I think I've messed up my branch on the lp server...
[07:51] <ryanakca> with the command 'bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I get the following error:
[07:52] <ryanakca> bzr: ERROR: Lock was broken while still open<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- check storage consistency!
[07:56] <ryanakca> ryan@sigma:~/work/kcypher$ bzr break-lock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:56] <ryanakca> Bzrtools is not up to date with installed bzr version 0.15.0candidate3.
[07:56] <ryanakca> There should be a newer version available, e.g. 0.15.
[07:56] <ryanakca> Break lock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:56] <ryanakca> held by ryanakca@kubuntu(.)org on host cogito [process #5415]
[07:56] <ryanakca> locked 51 hours, 38 minutes ago? [y/n] : y
[07:56] <ryanakca> bzr: ERROR: rmdir failed
[07:56] <ryanakca> (I s/kubuntu.org/kubuntu(.)org )... any ideas?
[08:02] <ddaa> phanatic: soon
[08:02] <phanatic> ddaa: great :)
[08:03] <ddaa> it was delayed a bit because some non-trivial work needed to be done on the import system
[08:03] <ddaa> but jml should land code next week, and then it will probably be deployed the week after.
[08:04] <ddaa> so, a plausible ETA is Apr. 16th
[08:04] <ddaa> earlier if Steve consider it deserves an urgent production ugrade
[08:07] <ddaa> ryanakca: this session is hard to read here
[08:08] <ddaa> can you put it in a pastebin instead?
[08:08] <ryanakca> ddaa: sure
[08:09] <ryanakca> ddaa: http://pastebin.ca/427237
[08:11] <phanatic> ddaa: thank you for the detailed answer
[08:11] <ddaa> ryanakca: that's weird
[08:12] <ryanakca> if you want, you can just delete the branch and I'll reupload
[08:12] <ryanakca> it's still at commit 1
[08:12] <ddaa> well, you cannot delete branches :)
[08:12] <ryanakca> The internet connection at school died, so the push died. I have the branch on my key
[08:13] <ryanakca> ddaa: pitty
[08:13] <ddaa> however what you can do is sftp into the server, remove the .bzr and "bzr push --use-existing-dir"
[08:14] <ddaa> ryanakca: I know it's annoying, but deleting stuff from launchpad is a lot of work, and it never a priority for the project.
[08:14] <ddaa> so, removing .bzr and push --use-existing-dir should be essentially the same as deleting and creating again.
[08:15] <ryanakca> hurra hurra.... doesn't let me.
[08:17] <ryanakca> or not...
[08:17] <ryanakca> is there a way for me to ssh into it?
[08:17] <ddaa> use lftp
[08:17] <ryanakca> ... no rm 0fr
[08:17] <ddaa> lftp does
[08:17] <ryanakca> rm -fr *
[08:17] <ryanakca> kk
[08:18] <ddaa> nautilus does to...
[08:19] <ddaa> well... I see you have deleted the contents of branch-lock
[08:19] <ddaa> nevermind
[08:19] <ryanakca> well, some of the files
[08:19] <ddaa> hold on
[08:19] <ryanakca> but theres tmp.11sfqa7014, then 7-8 pending.1jds98q24r42 type dirs, which have files
[08:20] <ryanakca> and connected... *twiddles*
[08:20] <ddaa> deleted
[08:20] <ryanakca> thanks :D
[08:20] <ddaa> now, push --use-existing-dir
[08:21] <ryanakca> done
[08:21] <ryanakca> well, pushing
[08:21] <ryanakca> so... someone could, in theory, delete their branch with sftp & konqui?
[08:21] <ddaa> no
[08:21] <ryanakca> kk
[08:21] <ddaa> it deletes the contents of the branch
[08:21] <ryanakca> ah
[08:21] <ddaa> but the branch will still be there in the web ui
[08:21] <ryanakca> yeah
[08:22] <ddaa> all the difficulty comes from the fact that there is 1. filesystem data 2. database data that may be referenced from other database objects
[08:22] <ddaa> deleting 1 does not delete 2
[08:22] <ryanakca> yeah
[08:22] <ryanakca> sounds like a big hassle
[08:22] <ddaa> and deleting 2 can be difficult, but even then it would not delete 1
[08:23] <ryanakca> although, down the road, to save room on the gigantic hd's... maybe delete branches in +junk/ that have been inactive for 2+ years
[08:23] <ddaa> so 2 needs to be marked as "deleted" and all the the stuff that refers to it must know to ignore it
[08:23] <ddaa> and then 1 must be garbage collected
[08:23] <ddaa> hard disk usage is the least of our problems
[08:24] <ryanakca> ah
[08:24] <ddaa> it's much cheaper to slam another HD into a raid array than to pay a coder for weeks to get all this shit right
[08:25] <ddaa> especially since we only have top notch highly trained coders :)
[08:25] <ryanakca> or PB :)
[08:25] <ddaa> (and therefore rather expensive ones)
[08:25] <ryanakca> lol
[08:25] <ddaa> PB?
[08:25] <ryanakca> PeraByte
[08:25] <ryanakca> petabyte*
[08:26] <ddaa> I think the librarian is currently in the terabyte range
[08:26] <ryanakca> tera = billion, peta = billiard (thousand billion)
[08:26] <ryanakca> yeah
[08:26] <ddaa> oh sure
[08:27] <ryanakca> then you have exabyte, zettabyte, yottabyte
[08:27] <ddaa> high energy physics and biotechnologies produces insane amounts of data
[08:27] <ryanakca> yeah
[08:27] <ddaa> I think the biggest arrays are close to the exabyte
[08:28] <ddaa> but well... when we'll have a petabyte of bzr branches in launchpad
[08:28] <ryanakca> yotta = Septillion... and... that's the biggest/highest SI prefix
[08:28] <ddaa> we'll probably have some income to pay for it :)
[08:28] <ryanakca> lol
[08:29] <ryanakca> In a decade or two...
[08:29] <ddaa> something like that, not a problem worth worrying about for now
[08:29] <ryanakca> nope
[08:30] <ddaa> I think RedHat about about 10 years old
[08:30] <ryanakca> yeah
[08:30] <ddaa> And we definitely intend to outlive them :)
[08:30] <ryanakca> lol
[08:31] <ryanakca> hopefully
[08:31] <ryanakca> it's soo... boring? bland?
[08:32] <ryanakca> and... it's /very/ different from the ubuntu one... if not for the name, the ubuntu logo near the bottom of the page, and the legal copyright blurb, you wouldn't know they were related
[08:32] <ryanakca> lol
[08:32] <ddaa> so GNOME is a perfect fit
[08:33] <ryanakca> or fluxbox :)
[08:33] <ryanakca> cheers, and thanks :)
[10:36] <bdmurray> anybody around today or is a holiday?
[10:36] <bdmurray> er, is it
[10:41] <LaserJock> I'm around
[10:41] <LaserJock> but I don't count
[10:42] <bdmurray> well, of course you do, but not in terms of launchpad support / questions. ;)
[10:53] <mdke> bdmurray: holidays yeah
[10:54] <mtaylor> can I request a branch be removed on here... I tried registering one directly with the upstream SVN even though it said that doesn't work...
[10:54] <mtaylor> https://code.launchpad.net/~monty/dbt/osdldbt
[10:55] <mtaylor> wasn't there an option to register non-bzr branches before? (I use bzr myself, but I'm tracking upstream on a project...)
[10:56] <bdmurray> mdke: not for the us though
[11:02] <unfo> hi all, how do i forward a bug to an upstream devel mailing list so that list members can click "Reply to All" and replies will get into launchpad?
[11:18] <mtaylor> also... how would I get an upstream bug tracker added to the list?
[11:18] <mtaylor> I'm specifically thinking of bugs.mysql.com
[11:27] <unfo> mtaylor: i guess launchpad-users mailing list
[11:27] <unfo> mtaylor: actually, better yet, file a bug against malone.
[11:28] <mtaylor> unfo: cool. thanks
[11:46] <ryanakca> any way to rename https://launchpad.net/kcypher/ to https://launchpad.net/kcipher/ ?
[11:47] <unfo> one other thing I was wondering:  why is the launchpad devel wiki private?  why can't anyone view it without logging in?
[11:48] <unfo> (and edit it after logging in)
[11:49] <unfo> mdke: any clue?
[12:05] <Fujitsu> unfo: It most probably contains proprietary implementation details, and various other company secrets.
[12:06] <unfo> Fujitsu: so why not make some stuff private and the rest public?
[12:06] <unfo> TWiki can do that.
[12:06] <Fujitsu> That would be more complex, I guess.
[12:06] <Fujitsu> Indeed, we use that at work.
[12:07] <unfo> Fujitsu: may i ask: where do you work?
[12:07] <Fujitsu> Having a Moinmoin instance hiding behind Apache authentication is a whole lot easier and more reliable, I would imagine.
[12:07] <Fujitsu> unfo: A fairly small IT company which does the networking and general IT stuff for 50-60 medium-sized businesses.
[12:07] <Fujitsu> I do the Linux stuff.
[12:09] <unfo> if a small IT company can manage to run a semiprivate wiki, surely Canonical could if they devoted the resources to it.  :)
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #103905 in malone "Malone silently ignores bug comments from nonregistered users" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103905
[12:10] <unfo> all: I filed 103904 and 103905.
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #103904 in malone "Malone silently ignores bug reports from nonregistered users" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103904
[12:11] <unfo> Malone seems to be ignoring the emails I send from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(which is not a registered launchpad user) to bugs.launchpad.net.
[12:14] <SteveA> unfo: hi
[12:14] <SteveA> unfo: which wiki exactly are you talking about?


[00:05] <Noskcaj> amerigena, You will need a launchpad account either way, but the best option is the run "ubuntu-bug PACKAGE" for whatever package has the issue
[00:06] <amerigena> Thank you.
[00:07] <amerigena> I assume that I'm going to have to install apport on the machine running saucy that's experiencing the bug, correct?
[00:07] <amerigena> I'm new at this;sorry.
[00:09] <Noskcaj> amerigena, 1. It's fine to be new, we all were once. 2. try running the command first, i'm not quite sure what the default installed programs are
[00:09] <Noskcaj> If not, then you'll need to install apport
[02:27] <audrey> on xubuntu 13.04 when i try to log in with any de or window manager i get a black screen then i get kicked back to the login manager. tried gdm and it hangs at a blue screen with the progress circle spinning with no login window ever appearing. tried purging nvidia-325 drivers with no difference in results. how do i fix tihs?
[04:43] <arthurfiggis> hello :) i noticed that xubuntu isn't defaulting to mir in 13.10...and i'm glad for that really, because for one i use an intel on-board chip for video, and intel isn't supporting mir any more :( are there plans to default to it in xubuntu in the future though? it seems like wayland will be better supported, if you can at least choose that over mir i suppose it won't be so bad
[04:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> arthurfiggis, http://askubuntu.com/questions/285787/does-the-change-to-mir-affect-other-ubuntu-derivates-like-xubuntu-or-kubuntu
[04:48] <arthurfiggis> Poisoned_Dragon: Thanks for the link...but from that page: "Edubuntu, Xubuntu & Ubuntu Kylin have not yet announced whether they will switch to Mir. " not sure if that clears it up :)
[04:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, it's still a complicated discussion.
[04:49] <cfhowlett> arthurfiggis, I suspect this initiative may be quietly dropped ...
[04:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> Just have to wait and see, I suppose.
[04:50] <arthurfiggis> cfhowlett: i hope so...not necessarily because of the project itself, but i haven't heard of any other major distro, or even ubuntu derivative that intends to support it...that'd be a lot of work for the people behind said derivatives, but i guess if it came down to it the community would just wind up maintaining x/wayland themselves
[04:51] <arthurfiggis> i just always go with nvidia or intel for video and it seems like neither are intending to support mir either, so if i were stuck with mir there wouldn't be many options for video left :(
[04:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> I think it would be quite some time before you get "stuck" with Mir. A lot can happen between now and then.
[04:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> I wouldn't worry about it now.
[04:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> Especially if the ubuntu derivatives aren't in a hurry to adopt Mir.
[04:56] <arthurfiggis> Poisoned_Dragon: Well kubuntu certainly aren't, but i believe that's largely because (i think) kde doesn't actually run under mir...which is good reasoning, it seems like very little else does so far :) i'm using kubuntu now for that reason...wayland is what the community and the hardware manufacturers are getting behind for the most part
[04:58] <arthurfiggis> (sorry, apparently it's kwin that doesn't run under mir yet...but it's a fairly important component)
[07:02] <g2k> Hello?
[07:05] <cfhowlett> g2k, greetings
[08:47] <xubuntu044> Hey guys, do you think using Xubuntu will have less to no crashes to Ubuntu with Unity?
[08:49] <cfhowlett> xubuntu044, "fewer" crashes?  hard to say.  depends on your configuration and use.  BUT xubuntu is optimized for older, lower spec machines.
[08:49] <cfhowlett> as is lubuntu
[08:51] <xubuntu044> My machines specs, arn't bad its just that when I was using Ubuntu and at some points my whole machine froze but this has not happened once with any other distro or windows.
[09:38] <MoL0ToV> i just updated to saucy... a lot of errors for python3
[09:45] <kai_> hi
[09:46] <kai_> i just upgraded to 13.10 and when i try to login now all i get is the background wallpaper and that's it :/
[09:46] <kai_> any ideas on how to fix this?
[10:28] <fractalsea> Does anyone know how to set up clickpads so that the clickable area does no move the mouse around?
[11:46] <bingo> hello. Is there a way to add a volume control to task bar?
[11:46] <doflow_> See #5 on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[11:47] <bingo> but is there a workaround?
[11:47] <doflow_> see #5
[11:48] <bingo> ty
[11:48] <doflow_> np
[11:52] <qwertz__> any laptop users having trouble with power management in 13.10?
[11:53] <qwertz__> my laptop goes to sleep immediately after i close the lid or press the sleep button - i configured to it differently, though
[11:53] <qwertz__> is there anything i could do about that?
[12:00] <baizon> qwertz__: yes its a known bug
[12:00] <baizon> qwertz__: http://askubuntu.com/questions/362667/xubuntu-13-10-disabling-suspend-on-lid-being-closed
[12:01] <qwertz__> baizon, thanks!
[12:02] <qwertz__> hm, how does "Ask" translate to that config file's set of rules?
[12:03] <qwertz__> baizon,  do you think a bug fix is to be expected soon?
[12:05] <cfhowlett> qwertz_, before 14.04 for sure.
[13:12] <brainwash> qwertz_: here is the actual, bug report, bug 1222021
[13:13] <brainwash> it should be added to the askubuntu question
[13:26] <qwertz_> done
[13:43] <gdos> i get the following error message when trying to remove a package - http://pastebin.com/d2GsbqWN
[14:03] <Bosi> Hello everyone, I'm having trouble to stop xfce to reopen the applications that I left open when I shut down the pc. I already unmarked everything in Session and Startup, and I cleared out .cache/sessions/ with the command rm -rfv ~/.cache/sessions/ ... I thought it worked for a while, but it didn't... what else should I do?
[14:04] <knome> Bosi, have you unmarked the "save session" checkbox on the logout dialog?
[14:04] <Bosi> yup, everything is unmarked on that page.
[14:05] <knome> Bosi, you could try removing (backup!) ~/.config/xfce4-session
[14:06] <Bosi> ok
[14:06] <Bosi> thanks,
[14:38] <kai_> hi, i'd like to ask once more:
[14:38] <kai_> i just upgraded to 13.10 and when i try to login now all i get is the background wallpaper and that's it :/
[14:38] <kai_> any ideas on how to fix this?
[14:41] <GridCube> kai_, press alt-f2 and type: xfwm4 --replace
[14:42] <GridCube> if that doesnt work press alt-f2 and type xfce4-panel --restart
[14:42] <kai_> the problem is that alt+f2 does not work
[14:42] <kai_> interesting thing is that i can log in as guest user without problems
[14:45] <GridCube> kai_, then log in as guest. do gksu thunar, go to your user folder and rename the .config and .local folders to anything else, relog as your user and those folders will respawn, then replace the contents of those folders with the original ones on the settings you wish to preserve and see if things break
[14:49] <kai_> okay, seems to work except it didn't restore my old settings
[14:49] <kai_> but that's okay :)
[14:49] <kai_> GridCube: thank you!
[14:50] <GridCube> kai_, as ai said, if you renamed the folders then you can import the settings you miss
[14:50] <GridCube> do it carefully so you wont import back the bug file that broke your sessions
[14:52] <kai_> well, i moved the backups of .config and .local back to those names and now i can log in but my old settings weren't preserved
[14:53] <kai_> i'll just set up my few customizations again, not a big deal
[14:56] <GridCube> kai_, :) god speed then!
[15:08] <kai_> okay two more things:
[15:08] <kai_> the sound indicator plugin in the top doesn't show anything as well as the bluetooth indicator
[15:09] <kai_> when i click on the a tiny white rectangle appears, that's it
[15:09] <kai_> oops
[15:10] <kai_> i meant to write: when i click on the indicator icon
[15:12] <GridCube> kai_, very anoying known bug 1208204
[15:13] <kai_> GridCube: oh okay, so i guess i'll just wait and hope this will be fixed soon
[15:13] <GridCube> kai_, see comment 5 for an easy fix, comment 41 to a deeper fix, see bug 1238997 for a long term solution
[15:14] <GridCube> kai_, probably once the things on this ^  are pushed forward
[15:15] <kai_> GridCube: oh okay, that second bug report explains why the blueooth indicator doesn't work as well
[15:15] <GridCube> exactly
[15:15] <GridCube> nothing that has a gtk3 indicator will work
[15:59] <gdos> i get the following error message when trying to remove a package - http://pastebin.com/d2GsbqWN
[16:02] <TheSheep> !bugs | gdos
[16:04] <helpme> hi all I cannot seen to see an audio indicator on my panel
[16:04] <helpme> oe anything obvious in the panel add section
[16:05] <TheSheep> helpme: do you have the indicator plugin added?
[16:07] <helpme> I am not sure
[16:07] <helpme> sorry yes I definately have
[16:08] <helpme> lol sorry I lie
[16:09] <GridCube> helpme,  very anoying known bug 1208204
[16:09] <helpme> I have the notification plugin added
[16:09] <GridCube> see comment 5 for an easy fix, comment 41 to a deeper fix, see bug 1238997 for a long term solution
[16:09] <g2k> Hello all.
[16:11] <GridCube> !hi | g2k
[16:14] <helpme> thank you giving it a go
[16:16] <g2k> hi (was making a coffee, sorry)
[16:16] <Unit193> That's the best reason to be AFK.
[16:17] <g2k> I am looking for help
[16:17] <killer> hey
[16:18] <killer> how can I change theme in xubuntu, any theme manager or sothing
[16:18] <g2k> running xubuntu 12.04, I have downloaded a few mouse themes and told the settings to resize cursor to 36pixels but NOTHING i do will change the mouse cursor size.
[16:19] <g2k> menu>settings>window manager for window theme...
[16:19] <g2k> menu>settings>appearance for icons and such
[16:20] <GridCube> g2k, "If the cursor doesn’t follow the theme set for 11.04 and above, try chmod +x ~/.Xdefaults. .Xdefaults also must be executable for Xfce 4.8, this is a change from Xfce 4.6."
[16:20] <g2k> menu>settings>desktop too
[16:21] <g2k> what does ~/ mean??
[16:21] <GridCube> ~/ means /home/yourusername/
[16:21] <g2k> ok
[16:22] <GridCube> as we dont know what your username is ~/ is used to stand for any user name
[16:22] <GridCube> the terminal knows that aswell :D
[16:23] <g2k> do i chmod that as user or root?
[16:25] <GridCube> try your user first
[16:26] <g2k> ok, it didnt throw an error once i did it as user, so now what do i want do?
[16:28] <dont-panic> can anyone tell me the right way to switch to awesome wm?  I tried awesome --replace at home but it complained about the notification area and loaded xfcepannel over awesome wm
[16:31] <g2k> the cursor has still not changed size?
[16:32] <g2k> its big in an application, but shrinks back to normal when i focus the desktop.
[16:37] <GridCube> dont-panic, try killall xfce4-panel
[16:37] <GridCube> and then "awesome --replace"
[16:38] <dont-panic> I'm at work... I'll have to try in a moment... how do I change back if that doesn't have the desired effect?
[16:42] <dont-panic> GridCube: I'm at work... I'll have to try in a moment... how do I change back if that doesn't have the desired effect?
[16:44] <GridCube> alt-f2: xfwm4 --replace && xfce4-panel --restart
[16:45] <dont-panic> GridCube: is there a way to add it to the login page swo I can start a awesome session?
[16:48] <GridCube> dont-panic, i would ask on an awesome channel
[16:49] <GridCube> like in #awesome for example
[16:50] <rtdos> CGI is loaded by apache2 correct?
[16:55] <GridCube> sorry to put it this way, but have you at least trying to search that in google?
[16:55] <Kaapa> hey there
[16:55] <Kaapa> having lots of troubles after 13.10 upgrade :(
[16:56] <Kaapa> from skype messing up with sound to xfce shortcut keys not working..
[16:56] <Kaapa> not a pleasent experience
[17:00] <dont-panic> what's the system manager program called?  the one that opens up keyboard and mouse settings and screens.. settings manager?
[17:00] <Kaapa> xfce4-settings-manager
[17:01] <dont-panic> thanks!
[17:16] <rtdos> GridCube: were you talking to me or dont-panic? if me 'cause for some reason apache2 starts then stops on my system.
[17:20] <g2k> anyone know how to force cursor size globally on xubuntu 12.04?
[17:20] <dont-panic> GridCube: thanks for the help... I got it running now with no problems as far as I can see. Thanks!
[17:20] <GridCube> rtdos, thats a different question than the one you make
[17:20] <GridCube> dont-panic, nice to hear
[17:21] <rtdos> both questions were related.
[17:22] <GridCube> rtdos, in any case :) you might get better more informed support at #ubuntu-server
[17:22] <rtdos> ok...  :)
[17:24] <g2k> chown +x blah blah had no effect at all.
[17:26] <g2k> somebody  must know where the config files are
[17:30] <g2k> Does anyone know how to force cursor size globally on xubuntu 12.04?
[17:39] <GridCube> !patience g2k
[17:40] <GridCube> !patience | g2k
[17:41] <g2k> those places DO give solutions but NONE of the solutions work on my system, I don't know why, it's a pretty vanilla install of xubuntu. Sorry if I appear impatient (wasn't my intent)
[17:56] <GridCube> maybe set the cursor theme globally in xorg https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Cursor_Themes
[18:36] <Arpad2> I tried to upgrade to 13.10, but got error message 'Could not determine the upgrade'
[18:40] <rtdos> Arpad2: i had that same issue on one of my machines so i used the iso instead.
[18:41] <Arpad2> ok
[18:41] <Arpad2> I 'll try that way
[18:44] <m3kk> g2k'
[18:48] <xubuntu173> how can change language from en to ar
[18:49] <m3kk> Have you checked systemsettings xubuntu173
[18:49] <m3kk> Language and Local
[18:49] <m3kk> region perhaps
[18:50] <m3kk> "language support" direct from swedish
[18:52] <m3kk> How did one solve the grey volume-panel in 13.10 ? I cant remember what to search for
[18:53] <m3kk> indicator-plugin something?
[18:55] <GridCube> xubuntu173, go to the settings manager > language support. and add the AR language, then log out and relogin but choose a different locale from the login manager
[18:56] <GridCube> m3kk, bug 1208204, see comment 5 for an easy fix, comment 41 to a deeper fix, see bug 1238997 for a long term solution
[18:58] <pAt_> GridCube, what do you mean by long term support? Will this bug keep to be unfixed so long?
[18:58] <m3kk> GridCube, ill just wit for update thanks anyway .
[18:58] <GridCube> i didnt say support
[18:58] <pAt_> solution
[18:59] <GridCube> m3kk, sadly thats the best way unless someone goes and build a ppa for it
[19:00] <m3kk> GridCube, doesnt bother me too much anyway. Thanks for trying to help thou
[19:00] <GridCube> m3kk, a simple thing you can do is to add a launcher for pavucontrol to the panel
[19:01] <GridCube> pAt_, its a solution as far as the files that you compile and install here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/Gtk3Indicators arent replaced by an update
[19:04] <pAt_> GridCube, : so this will take place soon I guess, since there are many users out there, not being able to do such tasks :) I solved it already for me, thx.
[19:24] <fractalsea> Does anyone know how to set up clickpads so that the clickable area does no move the mouse around?
[19:50] <Bretos`> Unit193: as you wish
[19:50] <Bretos`> hello, I'm Bretos and I'm customising Xubuntu LiveCD to meet my needs. I want to disable mounting /dev/sda for normal user
[19:50] <Unit193> Bretos`: Cool.  OK, they could just reboot to change to defaults, but at least now you know fuse/gvfs is where to look.
[19:53] <m3kk> GridCube pavucontrol?
[19:56] <Kaapa> hey there
[19:56] <Kaapa> in 13.10, ass soon as I press the power button the laptop shuts down
[19:57] <Kaapa> instead of prompting the action (like it's configured to do in the settings)
[19:57] <Kaapa> anyone saw this?
[20:02] <bekks> Kaapa: Maybe some bios setting, too.
[20:05] <Kaapa> need to look.
[20:05] <Kaapa> thanks
[20:05] <Bretos`> ok another question, How can I make all Xubuntu's live cd live user's desktop icons disappear?
[20:11] <m3kk> Bretos`, right click on desktop, chopse desktop > icons >icon type: None
[20:11] <m3kk> anyone managed to get chromium reacts correct with magnetlinks? i must open firefox to do it
[20:15] <Bretos`> m3kk: yeah... but how to hide them by editing livecd
[20:16] <knome> Bretos`, look in the xfce configuration files
[20:19] <Unit193> (/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/)
[20:25] <vrkalak> Unit193, do I know you?
[20:25] <Unit193> vrkalak: A little, yep.
[20:26] <Bretos`> huh, Have never seen such a great question...
[20:26] <vrkalak> I do know you ..  :D
[20:26] <Bretos`> "Do I know you?" :D:D
[20:27] <vrkalak> english is not forte
[20:29] <vrkalak> english not is my forte ... I speak "linux"
[20:34] <knome> vrkalak, do you have a support question?
[20:36] <vrkalak> knome, sorry, i don't
[20:40] <knome> !chat | vrkalak
[20:54] <rtdos> anyone here use dwww and or dhelp to view documentation or man pages?
[21:08] <dont-panic> how do I make it so when I log in, it drops to cli?
[21:10] <dont-panic> basically I'm trying to stop xfwm4 and xfce-panel from starting and make awesome wm start instead
[21:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> It would be easier to consider using the ubuntu net install and not install a DE other than awesome.
[21:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> You may not even want the desktop manager. So, no LightDM
[21:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> Otherwise, you would have to remove the whole xfce DE and install awesome. Since awesome is still a DE having a a DM (LightDM) would still load to awesome. So, best to have no DM so that you get a CLI login prompt.
[21:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> then you can start awesome at your leisure.
[21:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, that's just me.
[21:32] <RJ45> I call upon the attention of Sysi:  !
[21:35] <RJ45> Sysi: IDK if you remember, but we (and a few others) were trying to get to the bottom of why my computer was randomly freezing completely beyond any intractability at-all,
[21:36] <dont-panic> Poisoned_Dragon: I'm at work.  I asked if I could reimage to debian... they said no
[21:36] <RJ45> well, not sure if this helps get to the bottom of things, but out of blind hope, I tried disabling everything to-do with Screensavers and Power Management in XFCE-Settings, and guess what, not a single freeze-up since! 0_0
[21:36] <RJ45>  22:32:54 up 3 days,  3:52,  1 user,  load average: 0.64, 0.55, 0.40
[21:36] <dont-panic> so now I gotta stick with xubuntu.  I wish you could choose awesome from the login screen
[21:38] <RJ45> Sysi: any clues what could be wrong?, maybe stupid motherboard offsets some clocks a tiny bit when awoken from suspend?, or something like that?
[21:38] <RJ45> also, anyone else, feel free to chime-in
[22:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> dont-panic, I think you can uninstall just xfwm4 and install awesome. Awesome is just a WM. Not a full DE.
[22:09] <dont-panic> Poisoned_Dragon: that'll effect other users though right?
[22:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> I believe so. :(
[22:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> maybe you should make a usb based live session for yourself.
[22:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> With Puppy, or something similar.
[22:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> That you can put the stick in any computer.
[22:11] <dont-panic> Poisoned_Dragon: too slow and too many programs we use for getting out of our network and time card stuff
[22:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> Hmm.
[22:12] <dont-panic> my work is retarded, I'm the only one who uses this computer but they insist on having other acounts on here so managers can tail logs and stuff
[22:12] <dont-panic> and no one ever tails that stuff
[22:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> heh
[22:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> Business at it's finest.
[22:12] <dont-panic> so I end up doing most of the stuff I wanna do from a server at home
[22:13] <dont-panic> +10 for tmux lol
[22:13] <dont-panic> it's b/c we're a internet security company in a call center building... gotta follow the rules that everyone else does, makes no sense
[22:14] <dont-panic> s/internet/email


[02:00] <Cheri703> ohh, I need my member cloak :)
[02:01] <Unit193> Paste LP :)
[02:02] <Cheri703> www.launchpad.net/~cheri703
[02:02] <Cheri703> I think...am eating a cupcake, hard to type
[02:02] <IdleOne> jussi tsimpson elky topyli ^^ Cheri703 is part of the family
[02:02] <Cheri703> :)
[02:03] <IdleOne> btw you get dish duty this week :P
[02:04] <Pici> hey, she wasn't the first person to ask for a cloak today.
[02:06] <IdleOne> hmm, I must revise the chores sheet in that case
[02:06] <IdleOne> Cheri703: your chores will be assigned shortly.
[02:07] <Cheri703> :)
[02:08] <Cheri703> I prefer laundry to dishes
[02:09] <IdleOne> ok, new chores... Pici gets dishes, Cheri703 gets laundry. I get to take the dog out AGAIN!
[02:10] <Cheri703> *generally* laundry is less potentially gross than dishes...not always, but at least it can be gathered up in non-sketchy clothes ;)
[02:11] <Cheri703> I should be around for a few more hours tonight, no real rush on the cloak or anything :) I forgot until just a bit ago
[03:34]  * rww Cheri703 (btw: IRCC and freenode people tend to be around during Europe timezones, you'll probably get faster cloak help in a few hours or tomorrow morning)
[03:34] <rww> ... that wasn't a msg
[03:35] <rww> Cheri703, see above, everyone else close your eyes and pretend I'm competent at IRC :(
[03:35] <Cheri703> hehe, yeah, I know about the european folks, I'll be back on tomorrow....as usual :)
[09:39] <Unit193> !no, opendns is <reply>To set up OpenDNS in Ubuntu, see https://store.opendns.com/setup/device/ubuntu/
[09:41] <Tm_T> !opendns
[09:42] <Tm_T> ubottu: ping
[09:43] <Tm_T> !opendns
[09:43] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, opendns is <reply>To set up OpenDNS in Ubuntu, see https://store.opendns.com/setup/device/ubuntu/
[09:43] <Tm_T> ah, there
[09:44] <Unit193> Thankie
[10:04]  * Unit193 ponders saying something about !f5
[10:22] <Unit193> !compositor-#xubuntu |Deadlink
[10:41] <jussi> !f5
[10:42] <jussi> lol, thats for release time
[10:42] <jussi> although, now we have to remove shipit
[10:42] <Unit193> It's not really worth saying, but there is no ShipIt anymore :P
[10:42] <jussi> hehe
[10:42] <jussi> !forget f5
[10:43] <jussi> Unit193: you got a replacement url for that xfce one?
[10:43]  * Unit193 is on page 20 of a local copy
[10:43] <Unit193> jussi: Testing? I'm sure
[10:43] <Unit193> !testing-#xubuntu
[10:43] <jussi> Unit193: no, the compositor one
[10:45] <Unit193> http://www.xfce.org/projects/xfwm4 good enough? "It provides its own compositing manager"
[10:46] <Unit193> It's almost 7am so I'm a little slower
[10:50] <jussi> Unit193: that doesnt help with how to enable the compositor...
[10:54] <Unit193> jussi: I don't happen to know of any other than https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce#How_to_enable_the_compositor_in_Xfce_4.6 :P  And that it's in Menu > Settings > Settings Manager > Window Manager Tweaks > Compositor
[10:54] <jussi> hehe
[10:57] <Unit193> Starting in version 5, !frostwire is only a bittorrent client
[10:58] <jussi> !frostwire
[10:59] <jussi> Unit193: care to provide a revised text for that one?
[11:03] <Unit193> ubottu: frostwire is a totally open source !bittorrent client, based on Vuze, the Azureus BitTorrent Engine.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:04] <Unit193> Best I could come up with (Sorry about -ops spam :P )
[11:07] <Unit193> http://www.frostwire.com/about Replaced LimeWire torrent with vuze and dropped LW gnutella, GUI still based on LW?
[11:12] <Unit193> And screen-#ubuntu-server is <reply>Screen is a window manager for terminal sessions, also useful over SSH. The 'byobu' package provides very useful additional utilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen
[11:16] <tsimpson> why is that #ubuntu-server specific?
[11:16] <tsimpson> !screen
[11:16] <Unit193> I didn't put that in, I'm just pointing something out?
[11:16] <tsimpson> it was mostly a rhetorical question
[11:17] <Unit193> Yeah, but I answered :D (I'll not do that)
[11:17] <tsimpson> so what's the difference/relationship between byobu and screen-profiles?
[11:18] <tsimpson> besides main vs universe
[11:20] <Unit193> Also known as: screen-profiles
[11:20] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/byobu
[11:22] <Unit193> It's in universe? Would you happen to be on Natty?
[11:23] <Tm_T> hmmm, I have never considered screen as "window manager" (:
[11:24] <tsimpson> Unit193: no, lucid
[11:24] <tsimpson> !info screen-profiles lucid
[11:24] <tsimpson> !info byobu lucid
[11:25] <Unit193> I guessed you were not on Oneiric or Natty
[11:25] <tsimpson> !forget screen-#ubuntu-server
[11:26] <tsimpson> !no screen is a window manager for terminal sessions, also useful over SSH. The 'byobu' package provides very useful additional utilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen
[11:26] <tsimpson> !screen
[11:28] <tsimpson> !frostwire
[11:28] <tsimpson> !no frostwire is a totally open source !bittorrent client, based on Vuze, the Azureus BitTorrent Engine. For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:29] <tsimpson> !p2p
[11:29] <tsimpson> !gnutella
[11:30] <tsimpson> !no gnutella is <reply> Some Gnutella clients: GTK-Gnutella (GTK, stand-alone), gifTui, giFToxic (GTK, based on giFT), Apollon (KDE, based on giFT), mldonkey-gui (GTK, based on MLDonkey), KMLDonkey (KDE, based on MLDonkey) - See also !P2P
[11:30] <tsimpson> !bittorrent
[11:30] <tsimpson> god I hate these "list of software: ..." factoids
[11:32] <Unit193> Packagename is deluge and GetDeb repos still have package frostwire4 and frostwire so while it's gone bittorrent, it seems you can still get the older one from somewhere (I wouldn't think it's maintained though)
[11:32] <tsimpson> !bittorrent =~ /TorrentFlux/!Frostwire (Java), TorrentFlux/
[11:33] <tsimpson> !no torrent is <reply> Some torrent clients: Transmission (GTK and terminal-based), Deluge-Torrent, Freeloader, BitStormLite, BitTornado-GUI (GTK), KTorrent (KDE), QTorrent (Qt), Azureus/Vuse (Java), !Frostwire (Java), TorrentFlux (web-based), bittornado, rTorrent, cTorrent, bittorrent, aria2 (terminal-based) - FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html - See also !P2P
[11:33] <tsimpson> someone needs to provide a web UI to factoid editing
[11:34] <tsimpson> *Someone who isn't me
[11:34] <Unit193> Heh, do you have time for anything BUT ubottu?
[11:35] <tsimpson> sometimes, I also sleep
[11:35] <tsimpson> but then I wake up screaming, after having a supy-nightmare
[11:35] <Unit193> How many times did someone recommend Limnoria? :P
[11:36] <Unit193> I've also seen that rbot that I'm sure someone has pushed too
[11:37] <tsimpson> the only reason we haven't move to rbot (or <insert other IRC bot here>) is because it would require rewriting all the plugins
[11:37] <tsimpson> which we plan to do anyway, but it's painful enough already
[11:38] <Unit193> Limnoria is like Gribble, updates/changes to Supybot is why I thought of that one (Had to see if it would even work myself)
[11:38] <tsimpson> we have considered forking suptbot, but I'd rather not stick my name on any of that code
[11:39] <Unit193> Haha! Yeah, seems rather heavy :P
[11:39] <tsimpson> besides, "supybot" is the one in the repositories, so that's what I'd rather use
[14:23] <dobey> hi guys. we're wondering what happened to the ubotu bot that was in #ubuntuone. it seems to have disappeared, and we really miss the bug info, and logging onto irclogs.ubuntu.com
[14:24] <jussi> dobey: hi, which bot name was it?
[14:25] <jussi> dobey: you still have logging (ubuntulo1 is there)
[14:25] <dobey> jussi: i think it was ubot4` maybe?
[14:25] <dobey> yeah, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/05/02/%23ubuntuone.html#t12:54
[14:25] <jussi> dobey: ahh, thats jpds' baby.
[14:26] <jussi> We will have to wait for him to be active.
[14:26] <dobey> hmm
[14:27] <dobey> jpds: ping :)
[14:34] <jpds> dobey: Back.
[14:35] <dobey> jpds: thanks!
[14:40] <dobey> cheers
[15:01] <Cheri703> any of the cloak people around? I need mine :) (unless I somehow got one and didn't notice?)
[15:02] <k1l> Cheri703: launchpad site?
[15:02] <Cheri703> www.launchpad.net/~cheri703
[15:03] <k1l> ircc ^
[15:03] <IdleOne> jussi tsimpson elky topyli
[15:05] <Mkaysi> ubot4 seems to be missing oneiric
[15:05] <ubot4> Mkaysi: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:06] <tsimpson> VorTechS, niko, tomaw: anyone around for a cloak request?
[15:06] <niko> yes
[15:06] <Mkaysi> [18:05:26] <GTRsdk> ubot4: info firefox oneiric
[15:06] <Mkaysi> [18:05:26] <ubot4> GTRsdk: 'oneiric' is not a valid distribution: hardy, jaunty, karmic, lucid, maverick, natty
[15:06] <Pici> Well at least it has jaunty and karmic ;)
[15:06] <tsimpson> niko: could you give Cheri703 an ubuntu/member cloak please
[15:07] <niko> done
[15:07] <tsimpson> thanks :)
[15:07] <niko> congrats Cheri703
[15:07] <Cheri703> thanks :)
[15:07] <IdleOne> yay Cheri703 \o/
[15:07] <tsimpson> and congrats to Cheri703 too
[15:07] <Cheri703> :)
[15:08] <Cheri703> thanks!
[15:08] <tsimpson> jpds: ubot4 missing oneiric ^
[15:08] <IdleOne> I wonder when m4v is going to apply for membership
[15:11] <m4v> I made too many contributions so writing a wiki page for it is too much work </s>
[15:12] <IdleOne> that makes sense in a universe of reverse logic like the Ubuntuverse
[15:25] <m4v> I'll apply sometime, is just that... eh.. I guess I really don't like writing wiki pages.
[15:26] <m4v> specially ones about myself.
[15:27] <tsimpson> no one like writing wiki pages
[15:27] <tsimpson> it's a hurdle that proves your determination ;)
[15:29] <m4v> oh, makes sense.
[15:31] <topyli> ah, Cheri703's thing is fixed, yay. sorry for my idling
[15:31] <Myrtti> tsimpson: there was some others as well, but I suppose they need to be online to be handled
[15:32] <tsimpson> yeah
[15:32] <Myrtti> savvas
[15:32] <Myrtti> just making a mental note
[15:35] <topyli> two problems with wikis: 1) creating and editing on sucks, and 2) all this time you know someone will break it anyway
[15:35] <topyli> Myrtti knows
[15:35] <topyli> s/on/one/
[15:35] <Myrtti> oh yeah
[20:00] <Unit193> jpds: Got a sec? ubot2` doesn't respond to !info cherokee, only ubot2`: info cherokee (Nick prefix)


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 hola
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[03:20] <ubptgbot> <Luther Mair> LutherB
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 Why there is no option to block call and message in UT?
 Which messenger do you suggest for ubport, fluffy chat or umatrix
 @deedend [Which messenger do you suggest for ubport, fluffy chat or umatrix], Fluffychat is a very good app in heavy development. Umatrix was kinda of an experiment, so I'd suggest to go with FC ;)
 Ok, thanks
 @Mikeee_128 [Why there is no option to block call and message in UT?], there is a third party proprietary method - I haven't tested this though - https://f-call-dev.blogspot.com/?m=1
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[07:24] <ubptgbot> <DANIEL WARDLAW> JOEK
[07:24] <ubptgbot> <DANIEL WARDLAW> [Edit] http://bit.ly/2YKSdbK?1547
 @Mikeee_128 [Why there is no option to block call and message in UT?], Well nobody implemented it so far, thats why ^^
 @deedend [Which messenger do you suggest for ubport, fluffy chat or umatrix], Does it have Telegram??
 @CthulhuPrelate [Does it have Telegram??], yes, there's the TELEports client for Telegram
 @CthulhuPrelate [Does it have Telegram??], Yes
[10:01] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Is there a good twitter client for UT ? I found some in the app store but none of them work well.
[10:07] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @fredldotme [yes, there's the TELEports client for Telegram], Be careful though. After the last update it crashed on my Nexus 5. Was unusable. Don't know if they fixed it. Im back on the obsolete Telegram client 'cox it works without glitches.
 @mark alexa [Be careful though. After the last update it crashed on my Nexus 5. Was unusable. …], That's not normal. I never had any issues like that
 🤔thats odd. I didn't have any problem with the upgrade (I also have a nexus 5)
 Try erasing everything and reinstalling agaib
 @mark alexa [Is there a good twitter client for UT ? I found some in the app store but none o …], IIRC "Tweet" was the best client but Rudi removed it. … You can try to build a click package using this repo that Anne17 cloned: https://gitlab.com/Anne17/tweet
 In fact. Teleports is working better and better with each new update
[10:13] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> I'm not switching back right now. This client works. The only setback I see is that it's no longer being worked on. I can't expect anything new.
[10:13] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @advocatux [IIRC "Tweet" was the best client but Rudi removed it. … You can try to build a cli …], Cheers !
 👍
 @mark alexa [I'm not switching back right now. This client works. The only setback I see is t …], What about trying to understand the reason why this is happening only to you?
 Instead of throwing the towel
 @NotKit [@Javacookies haven't seen you in porting channel :)], because I haven't really tried yet 😄
 @mark alexa [I'm not switching back right now. This client works. The only setback I see is t …], Did you close TELEports before upgrading?  That may have caused an issue.  One way around it is to clear everything using the tweak tool and then reinstall.  <= When/if you're ready to try again, of course.
[12:16] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Thank you for the tip and no, I dpwnloaded the update while the client was running in the background.
 @mark alexa [Thank you for the tip and no, I dpwnloaded the update while the client was runni …], While the client was running?  You mean TELEports was still open (in the background) when you upgraded?
[12:18] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @imraniqbal [While the client was running?  You mean TELEports was still open (in the backgro …], Yep
[12:19] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Didn't occurred to me that the clirnt wont walk it off if I upgrade it under its feet.
 That's what I meant about not closing TELEports before upgrading.  You'll be able to salvage it using the method I've outlined above.  And general advice is to close apps before upgrading them, to prevent any unnecessary conflicts/corruptions.
[12:20] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Roger that.
 @mark alexa [Didn't occurred to me that the clirnt wont walk it off if I upgrade it under its …], Maybe some apps aren't affected as much.  I've noticed apps that store data in databases really need to be closed first, to prevent issues.
 But even more ideal is if the apps could close themselves before the upgrade process, but I'm not sure how easy that is to implement...
 @imraniqbal [But even more ideal is if the apps could close themselves before the upgrade pro …], Yeah this is the right solution
 It was discussed months ago with krille in the fluffy channel on matrix because the same behavior happens when updating FC
 Yep, I came across that as well.
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 Anyone who knows how I can access a web UI on my UT device over bluetooth?
 don't want to have to fiddle with wifi networks all the time (nor disconnect my phone from the "actual" wifi network to access the UI)
 so bluetooth tethering?
 if so that's not supported currently
 might be worth a feature request?
 Hi all. I wanted to ask about treble project. Is it anyhow possible to make Ubuntu touch gsi 🤔?
 the main reason iirc why there is no ut gsi for android devices is due to android drivers
 there will be a gsi for non-android linux phones iirc
 I don't get what iirc mean
 [Edit] I don't know what iirc mean
 'if i recall correctly'
 Oh
[15:46] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Fuseteam [the main reason iirc why there is no ut gsi for android devices is due to androi …], Google Project Treble is about gsi for android devices.
 @Fuseteam ['if i recall correctly'], But technically saying, gsi would be possible with few vendor mods, right ?
 @John (Marlin) [Google Project Treble is about gsi for android devices.], I know but I bought myself new phone, I fought some1 will make ut od sailfish there but so far no luck. I am 2 stupid to port it myself
 @John (Marlin) [Google Project Treble is about gsi for android devices.], not exactly i think
[15:47] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Hangman228 [I know but I bought myself new phone, I fought some1 will make ut od sailfish th …], New phone is bad news for UT. So far not working on devices shipping with Oreo and up.
 @John (Marlin) [New phone is bad news for UT. So far not working on devices shipping with Oreo a …], So I guess, no ut 4 me :/. Thx 4 help anyway
 @Hangman228 [So I guess, no ut 4 me :/. Thx 4 help anyway], not yet anyway
 @imraniqbal [Did you close TELEports before upgrading?  That may have caused an issue.  One w …], Not even clickable can shut down teleports all the time. When I forget to unlock my phone and bring teleports in the forground it often leaves a hanging teleports process
 Pixel 1 and 2 didn't have ut. I fought if I save 500$ for dev , some1 will port it. But so far, I got scammed
 [Edit] Pixel 1 and 2 didn't have ut. I own pixel 3xl now. I fought if I save 500$ for dev , some1 will port it. But so far, I got scammed
 @Hangman228 [I know but I bought myself new phone, I fought some1 will make ut od sailfish th …], you can learn to port as there is work being done to get android 8 and up supported we just need more brains hehehehee
 @Flohack [Not even clickable can shut down teleports all the time. When I forget to unlock …], The recent versions of `clickable` do a better job at this now.
 @Fuseteam [you can learn to port as there is work being done to get android 8 and up suppor …], I was trying to port ut for note 8. All I did was hard bricking my device. Now it just lay at shelf
 @Fuseteam [you can learn to port as there is work being done to get android 8 and up suppor …], [Edit] I was trying to port ut for note 8. All I did was hard bricking my device. Now it just lay at desk
 So I won't do it again
 and well there's at least one porter that had zero knowledge that got reasonably far
 @Hangman228 [I was trying to port ut for note 8. All I did was hard bricking my device. Now i …], aaand i kinda doubt it's unrecoverable
[15:52] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Hangman228 [I was trying to port ut for note 8. All I did was hard bricking my device. Now i …], Nice thing about Pixel is that if you have fastboot, you can bring it back to life.
 @Fuseteam [aaand i kinda doubt it's unrecoverable], Need new motherboatd I think. Odin mode is dead. No recovery and no room. Phone just vibrates after 5 sec while holding powr button
 @John (Marlin) [Nice thing about Pixel is that if you have fastboot, you can bring it back to li …], I guess but i am 2 scared after note 8.
 @Fuseteam [aaand i kinda doubt it's unrecoverable], [Edit] Need new motherboatd I think. Odin mode is dead. No recovery and no rom. Phone just vibrates after 5 sec while holding power button and die
[15:53] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Hangman228 [I guess but i am 2 scared after note 8.], I am using Pixel XL with BootleggersROM, no GAPPS, and microG.
 have you tried asking about it in the porting group btw?
 @Hangman228 [Need new motherboatd I think. Odin mode is dead. No recovery and no rom. Phone j …], have you tried asking about it in the porting group btw?
 Here! Yes. I think that admin guided me what to do and what to watch on yr
 [Edit] Here? Yes. I think that admin guided me what to do and what to watch on yr
 But when i tried it, well. You see
 no this is not the porting group
 @John (Marlin) [I am using Pixel XL with BootleggersROM, no GAPPS, and microG.], I prefere du
 Give me sec
 the porting group is @halium
[15:55] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Hangman228 [Need new motherboatd I think. Odin mode is dead. No recovery and no rom. Phone j …], You can probably pick up a used motherboard for less than $100.
 and i meant about recovering the note8
 @Fuseteam [the porting group is @halium], Isn't halium and ut, 2 different things 🤔?
 @Fuseteam [have you tried asking about it in the porting group btw?], and i meant about recovering the note8
 @Fuseteam [and i meant about recovering the note8], Nah
 I just bought new phone
[15:56] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Hangman228 [Isn't halium and ut, 2 different things 🤔?], UT is based on halium. Have to get halium working to bring up UT.
 and there not that different ut porting efforts is done via halium
 @Hangman228 [Nah], i'm sure they can help you recover it, that way you'll have a device you can experiment with rather than experimenting on your daily driver
 @John (Marlin) [UT is based on halium. Have to get halium working to bring up UT.], From what I remember, I received "live porting" video on yt. Some1 was porting ut to Nexus 4 ( or 5 ) . I started doing same thing. 3 h later after flashing rom,dead
 @Fuseteam [i'm sure they can help you recover it, that way you'll have a device you can exp …], I don't think it's possible to fix it but ill try.
 never tried is never succesfull
[16:00] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Hangman228 [From what I remember, I received "live porting" video on yt. Some1 was porting u …], Of course there's a difference between porting and installing. UT is already ported to Nexus 5, which is what I have UT installed on. So if the video had you install UT for Nexus 5, of course it would brick the Note.
 @John (Marlin) [Of course there's a difference between porting and installing. UT is already por …], I was following guide with note 8 source
[16:01] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> Okay
[16:02] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> I'm not sure how long it will be before UT is updated to support newer phones with Oreo and up.
 the more brains to debug the sooner i guess :p
[16:08] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Hangman228 [I was following guide with note 8 source], Official porting guide is here: … https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/
 @John (Marlin) [Official porting guide is here: … https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/], Nah. I am not touching that again. All I wanted, was to ask if it's possible to port it as gsi but thx :p
[16:13] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Hangman228 [Nah. I am not touching that again. All I wanted, was to ask if it's possible to …], Yeah, too bad you got Pixel 3 XL. People are working on ports for Pixel XL and 2 XL.
 @Flohack [Not even clickable can shut down teleports all the time. When I forget to unlock …], Hmm, `$ pkill -f "teleports"` works pretty solid at my end (which is what `clickable` does), even when TELEports is inactive and the screen is locked.
 @Hangman228 [Nah. I am not touching that again. All I wanted, was to ask if it's possible to …], eeeh? i was hoping you'd recover and halium up the note 8 :p
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 Guys, what's wrong with this group? That's like 6th case on my memory when spam bot attacked ubports
 I think that one of the problems is that the group is open and the link to join the gruop is on the web page, so it can be indexed through internet
 Nothing estrange at all
 [Edit] Nothing strange at all
 But I've been in couple other groups that was open, and there was no such problem
 @noisebro [But I've been in couple other groups that was open, and there was no such proble …], they must not be interesting groups then
 @noisebro [Guys, what's wrong with this group? That's like 6th case on my memory when spam …], That wasn't a bot, that was a user and they've been banned :)
 @advocatux [That wasn't a bot, that was a user and they've been banned :)], Are you sure? There was a trick that allowed to use user api (not bot api), so a bot could look like a user
 @noisebro [Are you sure? There was a trick that allowed to use user api (not bot api), so a …], don't worry about it
 @dohbee [don't worry about it], As you say Deckard :3
 @Hangman228 [I was trying to port ut for note 8. All I did was hard bricking my device. Now i …], How far did you get?
 @Fuseteam [and well there's at least one porter that had zero knowledge that got reasonably …], That was me actually lol
 @Hangman228 [I just bought new phone], I happen to have repair firmware for a note 8, is yours a snapdragon or exynos variant cause that makes a difference
 @Tygerpro [I happen to have repair firmware for a note 8, is yours a snapdragon or exynos v …], Snap doesnt have open bootloader = cant do shit
 @Tygerpro [How far did you get?], I aint dev. I am just a dumdum who want something and have money. End up bricking phone😂😂
 @Tygerpro [I happen to have repair firmware for a note 8, is yours a snapdragon or exynos v …], [Edit] Snap doesnt have open bootloader = cant do anything
 @Hangman228 [I aint dev. I am just a dumdum who want something and have money. End up brickin …], I wouldnt call myself smart, but when i started my galaxy note 4 port, I knew absolutely nothing about porting, I managed to get a GUI on UT with it, had a few bricks along the way as well, I currently daily a note 8 but its snapdragon so Im
[18:26] <ubptgbot>  not trying to do much with it for now, I can always try to help you along
 I have repair firmware for a note 8 as well, I can always link you to it and see if you can get your note 8 working again
 @Tygerpro [I wouldnt call myself smart, but when i started my galaxy note 4 port, I knew ab …], Like I wrote before. My note 8 is lying in at the desk.... or else. After I bought pixel 3 xl, I gave up on porting stuff. 2 scared of breaking
 Well that is a possibility when your learning, but I bet it can be brought back
 After changing/fixing motherboard, yes. But ... Just no
 Thats all I'll say 😂
 I mean without going the whole new motherboard route, there are different modes for a note 8 to boot into
 Odin = no respond
 No recovery
 No system
 Phone just vibrate after 5 sec of holding power
 And ... no reaction
 Odin only works in download mode which requires a button combo not just the power button
 Exynos doesnt support fastboot
 @Tygerpro [Odin only works in download mode which requires a button combo not just the powe …], I know
 I am not that retarded 😂
 Lol, wasnt implying, at least wasnt trying to
 Out of curiosity do you still have the work that you did for your note 8?
 I had it on ubuntu while dual booting. I guess I still have it on external harddrive ( booting drive ) . I can boot into it later and check
 Theres also a EDL mode that arm devices have, Im not sure how to get a note 8 into that mode, but I do recall reading about it
 @Hangman228 [I had it on ubuntu while dual booting. I guess I still have it on external hardd …], Ok, I would like to take a look at your fstab file and see if I can figure out what happened
 @Hangman228 [Odin = no respond], Does your note 8 boot into download mode?
 Odin = odin mode = download mode
 I understand, but when you say odin doesnt respond, its not very clear, does the software not see the note 8 or does the note 8 not enter download mode
 Maybe again
 Download mode doesnt start at all. No led or anyrhing
 No recovery = same as download
 and no rom
 Ok, there is a method that can be employed to fix it, but it requires some knowledge to use
 Holding power make phone vibrate after 5 sec for 0,5 0 1 sec
 [Edit] Holding power make phone vibrate after 5 sec for 0,5 - 1 sec
 @Tygerpro [Ok, there is a method that can be employed to fix it, but it requires some knowl …], Like I said before, I just dont care ;)
 Ok, was just curious, Id be happy to pick up where you left off, but I dont have a exynos note 8 sadly, just a snapdragon
 Let it die in peace 😂
 Lol
 @Tygerpro [Ok, was just curious, Id be happy to pick up where you left off, but I dont have …], I dont think that will help. I just spend around 30 min copying what I saw on video with Ivan's source
 Well I can pickup where you left by using your manifest, and any other parts that Id find useful
 I'll try to boot on that harddrive ( if I still have ubuntu there ) and send what I find. Its 9pm and I am just lazy 😂, sory
 And quick question
 Will you need Ivan;s source for that?
 [Edit] Will you need Ivan's source for that?
 Not really, just the manifest and I can go from there
 And any files you changed with your port if you want me to try and see what happened with tours
 [Edit] And any files you changed with your port if you want me to try and see what happened with yours
 I'll check it tomorow
 Ok, no worries
 Liveeee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucx3HjGjhYw
 we do have assisted GPS still (at least, on qcom devices)
 Hey everyone, how's it going?
 I think google is trying to break up our streaming party ;)
 @wayneoutthere [I think google is trying to break up our streaming party ;)], Shadow banned
 woot :)  unity8
 what will muliple apps open look like when you scroll through the?
 [Edit] what will muliple apps open look like when you scroll through them?
 search for app by name is *awesome*  :) i look forward to that one big time.
 @wayneoutthere [what will muliple apps open look like when you scroll through them?], same as now
 ah, ok. so just missing the 'home scope' but otherwise will scroll through as now. thanks.
 the app spread (long swipe from right) and switching between last 2 apps (short swipe from right), are roughly unchanged
 we see all of you fine
 we never lost you
 no audio
 there ya go
 Florian audio gone. HA Muted!
 Nooooo not stickers. Where can I vote?
 @Taekky [Nooooo not stickers. Where can I vote?], Go back a bit in history here
 @Flohack [Go back a bit in history here], thank you. still a newbie..
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 we haven't even moved to 5.12 yet, so i wouldn't worry about 6, when we don't even know when it will actually be released
 @Fuseteam [if so that's not supported currently], That's a bummer, will look into opening a feature request :)
 woot. Pinephone
 oh lord
 @FinlayDaG33k [oh lord], what did we do :P
 make yet another cheap phone XD
 I mean, it's not too bad but the RAM and eMMC are fairly low...
 'cheap' puts more phones in more hands.  simple as that IMHO
 a cheap android/ios exit
 Yes they do... but there already exist plenty of them... so outside of the Pine64 branding, I don't see what would make this one better...
 @FinlayDaG33k [Yes they do... but there already exist plenty of them... so outside of the Pine6 …], it's not android
 It isn't a cheap Android phone that has a bootloader lock you cant remove
 but really if you don't like it then don't buy one. no need to rant about it :)
 Also, see it as a proof of concept for early developers. If this succeeds, there is no limit in improving the hardware specs
 @Flohack [Also, see it as a proof of concept for early developers. If this succeeds, there …], This, i do agree on.
 You cannot do a moonshot if you aren´t Google 😆
 @Flohack [Also, see it as a proof of concept for early developers. If this succeeds, there …], this ^
 @UniversalSuperBox [It isn't a cheap Android phone that has a bootloader lock you cant remove], Of all the cheap droids I owned, I can only think of one that can't unlock the bootloader...
 we can buy a UT device and quickly get rolling.  What happens if your N4 dies?  buy an N5? Where? this...
 @wayneoutthere [we can buy a UT device and quickly get rolling.  What happens if your N4 dies? …], Yes, that's true... … pardon my rant, I tend to think too much about the "consumer" spectrum rather than the 'developer" spectrum.
 thanks guys!
 👍🏼
 https://appear.in/ubports-chat
 thanks much
 https://whereby.com/ubports-chat
 first
 :P
 Can someone send me a telegram video note message? for testing in teleports?
 @FinlayDaG33k [Yes, that's true... … pardon my rant, I tend to think too much about the "consumer …], i suppose we need a flagship for the consumer spectrum which is probably further down the line
 @Fuseteam [i suppose we need a flagship for the consumer spectrum which is probably further …], Yea... probably
 man i love this community to think i manage to get to a point i can actually keep up with the devs to a degree _still got a long way to go tho
 [Edit] man i love this community to think i manage to get to a point i can actually keep up with the devs to a degree still got a long way to go tho
 though I think currently what makes UT "unviable" for the mainstream is the lack of 3rd party support... … mean, if Facebook, Snapchat, WhatsApp, Instagram etc. would bring their apps to UT it would be a lot easier to get people to UT...
 it's the main reason why I swapped back to Android anyways... a lot of the apps I "needed" (read: others force me to use) don't really run on UT
 there is supports those companies just haven't made app for ut
 [Edit] there is 3rd party app support those companies just haven't made app for ut
 the reason they cite would be 'not enough users'
 @Fuseteam [the reason they cite would be 'not enough users'], Which turns it all into a chicken or egg scenario :\
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 @FinlayDaG33k [though I think currently what makes UT "unviable" for the mainstream is the lack …], I find the Sailbook and Pesbuk webapps for Facebook on UT are better than what I had for Facebook on Andriod - and the UT webapps won't do things like turn on microphone without your explicit permission
 @FinlayDaG33k [though I think currently what makes UT "unviable" for the mainstream is the lack …], [Edit] I find the Sailbook and Pesbuk webapps for Facebook on UT are better than what I had for Facebook on Android - and the UT webapps won't do things like turn on microphone without your explicit permission
 True, but that's still only Facebook :\ … And oddly enough, people that I know are fine with not having a Facebook app as long as they can have WhatsApp...
 Another cool thing is our youtube app keeps on playing in the background (with the right setting) which is not the for the official android apps... ;-)
 [Edit] Another cool thing is our youtube app keeps on playing in the background (with the right setting) which is not the case for the official android apps... ;-)
 [Edit] Another cool thing is our youtube app keeps on playing in the background (with the right setting) which is not the case for the official android app... ;-)
 Thx for the nice Q&A btw.
[22:43] <ubptgbot> <Nathan Willson> Does anyone know why my phone loses connection every time I make a call?
 @hummlbach [Another cool thing is our youtube app keeps on playing in the background (with t …], I know for a fact it is possible on Android (how I often listen to music) but its either a premium feature of the official app or a alternative app feature
 Yes i was explicitly referring to the official app. And I should have said without having premium...
 @Nathan Willson [Does anyone know why my phone loses connection every time I make a call?], You mean mobile data connection?
[22:52] <ubptgbot> <Nathan Willson> Nope all of the signal dies.
[22:53] <ubptgbot> <Nathan Willson> @hummlbach [You mean mobile data connection?], Nope all of the signal dies.
 so you actually can't make calls?
[22:55] <ubptgbot> <Nathan Willson> @hummlbach [so you actually can't make calls?], I cannot.
[22:56] <ubptgbot> <Nathan Willson> I can text and surf web.
 Maybe you want to share which device and ota you're using and some logs...
[23:02] <ubptgbot> <Nathan Willson> Nexus 5 OTA-9
[23:02] <ubptgbot> <Nathan Willson> I don't know on the side of logs.
[23:05] <ubptgbot> <Nathan Willson> @hummlbach [Maybe you want to share which device and ota you're using and some logs...], Nexus 5 OTA-9. I don't know on the side of logs.
 If its an issue with your installation switching the channel to rc should probably fix it. Have you had android on it before and haven't had that issue? Maybe you should join the welcome and install group.
[23:16] <ubptgbot> <Nathan Willson> How do I get to the welcome and install group?
 @Nathan Willson [How do I get to the welcome and install group?], https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 @Nathan Willson [Nope all of the signal dies.], What carrier?
 @hummlbach [Yes i was explicitly referring to the official app. And I should have said witho …], yeah, that was a strange thing to put under the premimum.


[03:19] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[11:46] <wez> Evenin' lotuspsychje
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> hey wez
[11:47] <wez> What's crackin'?
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> upgraded my NUC to jammy this morning
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> only a very few questions did the trick
[11:50] <wez> I put Windows 11 on my NUC so I could game it
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> wich NUC do you have
[11:51] <wez> The one with the skull on it :P
[11:51] <wez> a couple of years old, i7 I think, AMD GPU of some description
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> ooh the gaming one :p
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> i got an i7 cube for business
[11:53] <wez> Yup, it games well
[12:32]  * lotuspsychje wonders why they didnt fix bug #1949183
[23:01] <oerheks> lols "i've provided support in this channel for 20 years"
[23:02] <enigma9o7[m]> thank you for your service
[23:03] <oerheks> i remember blei, had a huge argument with Ikonia..