[00:00] <sarnold> sorry bobdobbs :( I'm pretty sure that was the name of the thing I used to use for levels and such back when I ran kde, but that was *ages* ago
[00:00] <bobdobbs> sarnold: yeah, google tells me that kmix is a gui. For some reason it'll install, but just not run on my system. odd.
[00:01] <bobdobbs> Pavucontrol runs. But it doesn't give me a way to test or switch audio inputs.
[00:01] <bobdobbs> I mean, it shows the inputs, but doesn't give me a way to set which input to use.
[00:02] <bobdobbs> huh. I found kmix in the kde menus. So I ran it. And the kde toolbar dissapeared
[00:02] <sarnold> uhhhhhoh.
[00:02] <bobdobbs> and ps tells me that kmix isn't running
[00:02] <bobdobbs> that's just wieeeeeeeeeerd
[00:02] <sarnold> probably best to plan on a reboot in the very near future.
[00:03] <bobdobbs> yeah. might do that now
[00:03] <bobdobbs> ciao
[00:34] <Luke2020> ive installed ubuntu using WSL for windows. is there away to turn off the annoying beep when you hold backspace on the terminal and all the text has already gone?
[00:40] <rjwiii> Luke2020: Try this: https://www.reddit.com/r/bashonubuntuonwindows/comments/4vuj41/disabling_beep_on_terminal/
[00:44] <Luke2020> Yeah that worked thanks :p
[00:44] <Luke2020> so annoying :p
[01:19] <jescis> I'm going to try archlinux, thank you all! :-)
[01:25] <harryguerrilla[m> bobdobbs: Audacity has its own audio input selection.  It may not be picking up the same default input as pavucontrol.  You should, however see the mic when you click the dropdown menu to the right of the microphone icon just above the waveform display.
[03:21] <independent> Can anyone point me to a proot version used by termux with the --link2symlink parameter working on any architecture
[04:48] <fling> How to figure out which commits are for shiftfs?
[04:49] <fling> Exporting patches from focal works.
[04:49] <fling> I'm able to apply patches touching shiftfs.c to sources up to 5.4.48.
[04:49] <fling> But applying them to 49 results in a warning.
[04:49] <fling> Looks like there should be some 5.4.49 compat patch?
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> fling: to know more about kernel commits you might wanna talk to the #ubuntu-kernel crew
[05:14] <billybigrigger> how do i properly set my dns settings in 20.04, network manager shows <IP_ADDRESS> which is my pfsense box, but resolv.conf and resolvctl show differently
[05:15] <billybigrigger> i havent used ubuntu in 6 or so years so im out of touch with all the changes....10 years ago i would have set my resolv.conf and been done with it
[05:17] <billybigrigger> basically every other host on my network is reporting a local domain of lan, ie when i ping my chromecast it comes back with chromecast.lan, my ubuntu machine is the only one reporting .local now, even though i could access services via knox.lan a few days ago
[05:23] <chx777> hi
[05:26] <chx777> i use ubuntu and i want to open a video file with other application than the default application but this application is not in the application list...why is that?
[05:27] <chx777> can i add it manually?
[05:40] <Maik> chx777: what is 'this application'?
[05:41] <chx777> kodi
[05:43] <Maik> chx777: ubuntu 20.04?
[05:43] <chx777> yes
[05:45] <Maik> hmmm... couldn't find anything on the web yet about kodi not showing in the menu.
[05:45] <Maik> Never used it myself by the way.
[05:45] <ktosiek> billybigrigger: DNS is normally handled by systemd-resolved, not resolveconf - so if you don't have a good reason to use resolveconf it's safer to remove it.
[05:45] <chx777> never used kodi?
[05:46] <ktosiek> billybigrigger: your /etc/resolv.conf should be a link to /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf, and it should show a local address as the nameserver (something like <IP_ADDRESS>)
[05:47] <Maik> chx777: nope, never used it. Try starting it from the terminal.
[05:47] <ktosiek> you can get the actual current settings from systemd-resolve --status
[05:47] <akemhp> Maybe Kodi can be opened with a video file parameter? I know it's supposed to put all your files in a database.
[05:47] <akemhp> can't*
[05:47] <billybigrigger> ktosiek ya heres that output
[05:47] <billybigrigger> https://paste.mozilla.org/rcm8L4hD
[05:48] <billybigrigger> but pinging the machine still returns knox.local
[05:48] <akemhp> You have to set some directories inside kodi so it scans the dirs and add the files to its database.
[05:48] <billybigrigger> i fixed it at the router level, i've wasted enough time doing a simple task :P
[05:48] <chx777> is there a way to add an application in the application list manually?
[05:49] <chx777> to the play with other application list
[05:49] <ktosiek> yeah, I was just going to suggest it might be a problem with your router :-) That output is a bit strange, as there's no Link-specific entry, only the Global one
[05:51] <chx777> the reason i want to use kodi is that it supports upnp to stream directly to tv
[05:52] <chx777> i want to find an application with option like " cast to device" in windows media player
[05:53] <billybigrigger> ktosiek oh no, its not a router problem
[05:53] <billybigrigger> only machine on the network that is buggered is this 20.04 install
[05:53] <dpreacher> is there any way i can get an internet restricted ubuntu machine to install some packages from a ppa? my only option is that i can send files to it from another machine that has internet access but no ubuntu
[05:55] <guiverc> dpreacher, you can always (`wget`) download them on web connected box, save to media, walk to box then (`dpkg`) install then manually... you'll need to download all *depends* requirements though
[05:56] <guiverc> the walk (sneaker-net) could be replaced by `scp` if local traffic is allowed
[05:57] <dpreacher> guiverc: well since i don't have ubuntu..how would i get the urls for the package and dependencies?
[05:57] <dpreacher> the tranfer part is sorted...only getting the packages
[05:58] <guiverc> if you know the release, you can find out package versions you'll download from packages.ubuntu.com for any supported release
[05:59] <dpreacher> 16.04 LTS and i need packages from ppa...i dunno what the full url to the ppa is. usually articles only mention ppa name for apt add repository
[06:01] <guiverc> that detail allows you to view packages too; normal checks you perform to ensure 3rd party suorce is properly maintained, supports my release etc.. checks you do before adding any 3rd party source & risk pollution to your system
[06:02] <guiverc> dpreacher, adding what detail you have into a search engine usually goes to launchpad site anyway
[06:09] <Maik> chx777: do you actually have kodi installed?
[06:34] <Taggnostr> hello
[06:36] <Taggnostr> I'm on 19.04 and wanted to upgrade to 20.04, but when I tried do-release-upgrade I got "an upgrade from disco to focal is not supported".  I understand that I can't skip over 19.10, but is there a way to tell do-release-upgrade to install 19.10 first, and then do it again for 20.04?
[06:37] <Taggnostr> or is there a better method to upgrade (I always used do-release-upgrade)?
[06:41] <guiverc> Taggnostr, the upgrade utilities won't upgrade to EOL releases.. You haven't said if desktop or server, but esp. if desktop I'd upgrade via re-install; select existing partitions ensuring you don't format, it'll note your packages, wipe system direcotires, install, then add back your additional packages without touching user files (unless you format).. backup anyway
[06:42] <Taggnostr> guiverc, thanks for the reply, it's on a desktop machine
[06:42] <guiverc> that method is also FAR FAR faster....
[06:42] <guiverc> the install I mentioned is via "Something else"
[06:43] <Taggnostr> so I just create a live usb and use that to reinstall from scratch?
[06:43] <guiverc> (Manual Partitioning if Lubuntu, Manual. etc)
[06:43] <guiverc> it's not from scratch (that would be erasing what's there), using something else, selecting existing partition(s) and ensuring you don't have format checked, it'll upgrade existing install as I said
[06:44] <Taggnostr> but I would do it from the live usb, right?
[06:45] <guiverc> yep, download ISO, validate ISO & write to install your install media (20.04 will auto-validate the media on boot)
[06:46] <Taggnostr> I guess I'll give that a try then, I hoped there was a simple command that I could run
[06:47] <guiverc> commands only upgrade as intended, ie. 19.04 to 19.10 .. you've missed the intended path
[06:48] <guiverc> (there are hacks where you treat it as if debian, but that can result in a broken system and is not recommended; upgrade tools do more than the debian method to ensure a stable system)
[06:49] <Taggnostr> yeah, I thought I could still do 19.04 -> 19.10 -> 20.04 using do-release-upgrade, but I guess I'm too late
[07:10] <soreau> I need the first package here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+missingpackages why is it missing?
[07:11] <soreau> I tried to do-release-upgrade on my bananapi and flash-kernel failed with 'Unsupported platform.'
[07:12] <soreau> 18.04 has this package, 20.04 apparently does not
[07:16] <Taggnostr> guiverc, so I boot from the live USB, start the installation, then instead of selecting "use all disk" I do manual partitioning, I select / with ext4 fs as the location, add a swap partition, and then install?
[07:19] <zmagii> Sup all.
[07:19] <zmagii> I have a somewhat funny request / question.
[07:19] <guiverc> Taggnostr, yes it's the "Something else" option in `ubiquity` (used by standard Ubuntu)   key is to select existing partitions & ENSURE FORMAT is not ticked/checked.. if ticked it'll erase your data
[07:19] <guiverc> maybe I should have capilized NOT as well
[07:19] <albech> Anyone here who is a champ in mail headers and SPF that will have a look at mail to see why the SPF is not being validated?
[07:19] <zmagii> If I create a partition formatted to exFat, but protect it with LUKS, would other partitions / OSs like Windows or macOS be able to see or use / decript it?
[07:20] <zmagii> gnome-disk-util gives the option to use LUKS on exFat
[07:20] <Taggnostr> guiverc, ok, I'm actually using kubuntu so the installer might be a bit different (I came here because my initial question applied to any *ubuntu)
[07:21] <zmagii> I guess formatting to exFat and encrypting with veracrypt would make more sense, since veracrypt is cross platform.
[07:21] <guiverc> it's Manual Partitioning or someting like that in Kubuntu (a skin over `ubiquity`)
[07:22] <guiverc> you'll recognize it..
[07:22] <Taggnostr> guiverc, yes ( https://youtu.be/b46RC0tE1qw?t=40 shows the manual partitioning :)
[07:23] <Taggnostr> I'm trying to figure out if I currently only have / and swap and what are the sizes, but I don't see the swap in df -h
[07:24] <Taggnostr> I think the swap was supposed to match the amount of RAM?
[07:24] <guiverc> Taggnostr, `grep swap /etc/fstab` may show you're using swap file; but should also show any partition used as well
[07:25] <guiverc> Taggnostr, no swap can vary on your system & how used.. swap > RAM if you hibernate, but few of us do that today; most today have loads of ram & smaller swap space
[07:25] <Taggnostr> it shows /dev/mapper/data-swap none            swap    sw              0       0
[07:25] <Taggnostr> I never hibernate and I have 16GB of RAM
[07:26] <Taggnostr> htop says Swp 5MB/10GB
[07:26] <guiverc> you're using LVM which may complicat things..
[07:26] <geirha> swapon -s  and  free -h   can tell you about your swap
[07:27] <Taggnostr> guiverc, / and the /home are not under lvm
[07:27] <guiverc> I can't recall when I last used the re-install to upgrade with LVM sorry & if I did anything different Taggnostr
[07:27] <guiverc> :)
[07:28] <Taggnostr> those two commands seem to confirm that I have 10GB of swap
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> Taggnostr: you can also tweak your system more after installation
[07:29] <Taggnostr> so I think I should set / as ext4 and use all the space for /, and add 10G of swap, and figure out how to tell it not to touch the other partitions
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> i always go for the partitioning ubuntu suggests by default, as guiverc says
[07:38] <mort> Where do I report ubuntu 20.10 beta bugs? Just as normal bugs in launchpad or?
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> mort: there is #ubuntu+1 to ask about existing bugs
[07:39] <mort> ah, thanks
[08:01] <Taggnostr> guiverc, I give it a try to check, and when I do "manual partitioning" it shows me the current partition table, with all the partitions I currently have.  As far as I understand I have to select the one where I have the os currently installed, select / as mount point and check "format", then select the one where my home is, select /home but leave "format" unchecked, and I'm not sure if I have to specify the mount point for all the
[08:01] <Taggnostr> others (lvm) partitions too
[08:02] <Taggnostr> the swap is also already there, so I probably need to select and specify "swap", and I don't need to create a new one
[08:03] <guiverc> I always select ALL partitions & have them mount where you want them, otherwise with a desktop install, and with a seperate /home, it'll be creating a /home on your / partition... select all as you had them (ie. same mount points)  Boot your existing & write them down on scrap paper, mount points & sizes (for verification)
[08:04] <Taggnostr> I just took a photo of df -h :)
[08:04] <Taggnostr> the lvm partitions are specified in fstab, and I created a backup of that in my home, so in case I miss something I should be able to restore them from there
[08:06] <Taggnostr> so you suggest to specify the mount point for all the existing partitions directly from the "manual partitioning" window, checking "format" only for /, right?
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | Taggnostr see also
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> !lvm
[08:11] <dandersson> I have a bug report at Launchpad <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pip/+bug/1833229> that has been marked as "Fix released", though that only applies for 20.04 and later -- my main problem concerns 18.04.
[08:11] <dandersson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Bug%20statuses says on the "Fix released" status: "If the bug stills affects an older Ubuntu release, please nominate it for that series. Otherwise people won't know it isn't fixed there!". How can I do that? I don't see an option at Launchpad to denote a specific version.
[08:21] <lesshaste> how can I type ë in ubuntu?
[08:21] <Taggnostr> guiverc2, I'm going to try to specify the mount point for all the existing partitions directly from the "manual partitioning" window, checking "format" only for /
[08:22] <Taggnostr> lesshaste, I guess it depends on the keyboard layout and/or compose system you use, here I do altgr+: followed by e
[08:22] <guiverc2> you don't need to even format / ; system directories get erased on / if not foramtted.  if you format it won't restore your additional apps/packages
[08:22] <lesshaste> Taggnostr, altgr+e just gives me e
[08:23] <Taggnostr> altrgr+: and then just e, altrgr+' and then e gives me é
[08:23] <Taggnostr> guiverc2, what do you mean?
[08:24] <guiverc2> just select the partition, and don't format it.  It'll cause the installer to note your added packages (those added post-install), then erase system directories, install, then add back your additional packages (if available on new release; Qt4 is now EOL so packages that used it won't be there, likewise python2 is now EOL thus ...).  If you format / it'll skip noting your additional packages
[08:26] <Taggnostr> guiverc2, cool, I didn't expect it to be able to do that, so it means I just specificy all the mount points, and leave everything unchecked on the "format" column, right?
[08:26] <guiverc2> yep.. I suggested NO-format for all partitions  (though my word choice can hide my intention on occasion)
[08:28] <Taggnostr> lesshaste, when you do altgr+: (or altgr+' or altgr+`), nothing appears, until you type another character (like e).  You have to release altgr+: before typing the e.  When you type the e it will combine the diacritic you selected with altgr with the character you typed after that
[08:28] <Taggnostr> guiverc2, ok, I'm going to try
[08:28] <Taggnostr> in the meanwhile thanks for the help! :)
[08:29] <guiverc2> you're most welcome
[08:29] <Taggnostr> :)
[08:43] <Taggnostr> hello again
[08:45] <Taggnostr> guiverc, I selected all the mount points and left the format column unchecked, but when I do "install now" it says "No EFI System Partition was found.  This system will llikely not be able to boot successfully, and the installation process may fail. Please go back and add an EFI System Partition,  or continue  at your own risk"
[08:46] <Taggnostr> how/where should I add it? and shouldn't it be there already?
[08:47] <tuxakadjseb> An EFI partition is necessary with a 'UEFI BIOS'.
[08:47] <guiverc> you'll need to specify the EFI partition, ie. /boot/efi to whatever you had that (usually small 256-512mb maybe)
[08:48] <Taggnostr> I don't have any /boot in the old partition table
[08:49] <guiverc> efi is mounted as /boot/efi  (even if you don't have a unique /boot partition)
[08:49] <guiverc> if unsure, boot your old system & look, or look at your photo
[08:52] <Taggnostr> I have a 120G SSD divided in 20G for / and 100G for /home, then two HD under lvm, and in the table they are sda1 and sdb1, sda is all used, but sdb has 2 chunks of free space (1MB and 2MB)
[08:52] <Taggnostr> guiverc, I checked the photo and there is no /boot anywhere, so I guess I don't have any partition for that
[08:53] <guiverc> not /boot, /boot/efi which is different
[08:53] <Taggnostr> no /boot/efi either
[08:54] <Taggnostr> at least not in fstab/df or the partition table that I see from the installer
[08:54] <Taggnostr> I also tried all the options for "device for boot loader installation", and got the same error message for all of them
[08:56] <Taggnostr> guiverc, should I boot back into my old system and look for /boot/efi?
[08:57] <guiverc> I would.. the system will require EFI to be used if in UEFI mode (not legacy/mbr).. if your system is in legacy/mbr it won't matter (ie. mode set in bios/uefi settings)
[08:58] <Taggnostr> I could check that too
[08:58] <Taggnostr> fwiw I don' have any other OS on this machine, so no dual boot
[08:59] <dpreacher> guiverc: thanks
[09:03] <Taggnostr> the "secure boot" option in the bios is set to "other os", which apparently means "get the optimized function when booting on Windows non-UEFI mode, Win visa/xp, or other ms secure boot non-compliant OS.  Only on Windows UEFI  mode that MS secure boot  can function properly", and the only other option is windows UEFI mode
[09:05] <Taggnostr> guiverc, it also has the "auto compatibility support module" enabled, that "automatically detects the bootable devices and the add-on devices"
[09:06] <guiverc> sorry Taggnostr I'm too busy currently
[09:07] <Taggnostr> guiverc, ok, I'll try to figure it out :)
[09:07] <guiverc> ask generally and others here maybe able to help
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> Taggnostr: talk to Eric when he joins, he's our uefi wizard
[09:09] <Taggnostr> lotuspsychje, what time is he usually online?
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> Taggnostr: europe timezone, he will appear soon
[09:10] <Taggnostr> ok, I just checked and I don't seem to have any /boot/efi
[09:20] <Taggnostr> I'll give it another try later today
[09:39] <thatcroatian> hi guys, im using (Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS), im in a cafe and it wont connect to the cafes open wifi, i tried doing it manually with iwconfig and then dhclient, but nope, my phone connects normally, any ideas why and who to resolve?
[09:39] <thatcroatian> how*
[09:49] <sub526> Hi all, I'm having ubuntu 18.04 LTS machine, suddenly its not booting into GUI mode, only terminal is available.  As per /var/log/apt/history.log the last command executed is "apt upgrade".. Is there a way to recover it to boot to GUI mode?
[09:51] <thatcroatian> sub526: im a complete noob, but what happens if you type startx?
[09:52] <sub526> thatcroatian: Running 'startx' shows the GUI
[09:54] <thatcroatian> sub526: then i think you could just add a script to /etc/init.d/ for starting x on startup
[09:54] <thatcroatian> https://serverfault.com/a/116884
[09:54] <thatcroatian> i found this after a quick google, but you should wait for someone more experienced to confirm or answer
[09:56] <sub526> thatcroatian: Sure, thanks for your help
[10:49] <alichtman> Hey, so I've got an issue with libffi.so.7 after updating my system. I can't launch Terminal or Software Updates, but some apps work fine (Spotify, Discord, urxvt, etc). The relevant traceback is here: https://ibb.co/thV52ps
[10:50] <alichtman> I tried reinstalling python3 and python3.8 with apt, and that didn't fix the issue
[11:08] <the-noob> hello
[11:08] <the-noob> ubuntu 18, WSL, trying to reinstall python 3
[11:08] <the-noob> https://pastebin.com/5n9QBh3j
[11:09] <the-noob> `apt --fix-broken install` complains about `Could not read response to hello message from hook [ ! -f /usr/bin/snap ]` too...
[11:09] <summonner> the-noob, did you do as it suggested?  Try 'apt --fix-broken install'
[11:10] <the-noob> yes
[11:10] <felixi> Hi. I installed node from nodesource repository. How do I make user-local installation of angular or whatever with npm? I want everything to install in my home directory. Does that make sense? :)
[11:11] <k_sze> Does anybody know what edition of Wubi input method is provided by the ibus-table-wubi package? There are 3 official editions: 86, 98, and New Century.
[11:12] <summonner> the-noob,   https://askubuntu.com/questions/1123159/broken-apt-on-wsl-18-04  looks like it's your problem
[11:13] <summonner> the-noob, so make a backup of the file instead of rm-rf
[11:13] <the-noob> felixi: everything you install with npm is local
[11:13] <felixi> the-noob: thanks :) I just found out i just have to not use -g flag :D
[11:13] <the-noob> unless you are refering to 'global' vs per project installs
[11:13] <the-noob> I would advise against global installs
[11:14] <the-noob> you'll end up with a 'but it works on my computer' because a dependency is globally installed but when you ship it will be missing
[11:15] <felixi> ok. Thanks for the advice :)
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all, Happy Friday!
[11:17] <wyoung> o/
[11:17] <the-noob> summonner: thanks, got a bit further but now --fix-install ` /var/lib/dpkg/info/python3-minimal.postinst: 5: /var/lib/dpkg/info/python3-minimal.postinst: py3compile: not found`
[11:17] <wyoung> BluesKaj: Happy Friday!  is it beer o'clock yet?
[11:18] <BluesKaj> wyoung, not yet, it's coffee o'clock tho :-)
[11:19] <wyoung> BluesKaj: ah, you must be in the past :)  It's past 9PM here.
[11:20] <BluesKaj> wyoung, 7:20AM here
[11:20] <the-noob> I found the SO post about fixing py3compile but `sudo dpkg --configure -a` => Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[11:21] <wyoung> ah yes, too early for beer :)  How's the Ubuntuing coming along?
[11:22] <independent> vncviewer <IP_ADDRESS>:3 PASSWORD:qweqweqw <= Free DEMO https://git.io/JUWOC
[11:23] <realies>     amazon-ebs: E: The repository 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates InRelease' provides only weak security information.
[11:23] <realies> is apt broken?
[11:23] <funnybunny2> What is the proper package to get glx.h?
[11:24] <funnybunny2> libglx-dev?
[11:24] <funnybunny2> So many: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=glx
[11:32] <funnybunny2> If I install a graphics driver, should I already have glx.h?
[11:34] <funnybunny2> Looks like it's mesa-common-dev
[11:39] <funnybunny2> What is the difference between libgl1-mesa-glx and libglvnd-dev?
[11:45] <justabeginner> I couldn't get able to record audio from microphone.
[11:46] <justabeginner> microphone is enabled but no audio being recorded with app
[13:42] <Lutin> is there a network issue with the latest docker and 20.04 ? Some containers are rebooting all the time and i think it's a network issue
[13:43] <jpds> Lutin: Do you have a log file that supports that theory?
[13:43] <Lutin> jpds journal... even the working ones are rebooting all the time now
[13:46] <Lutin> jpds https://defuse.ca/b/ILQi4EDJ
[14:05] <zyeri> hey is there an entry I can add to the installer boot params to mount a second drive? (cdrom for an iso, or floppy) to get preseed/cloud-init/whatever files to the installer without modifying the installation image itself
[14:06] <zyeri> tried grabbing cloud-init files from over the network, but the static ip config I gave it in the boot params didn't take and dhcp isn't an option on the vlan I'm having to use
[14:37] <savoca> test
[14:37] <TomyWork> can anyone without HWE installed (usually that means people with a non-LTS version) tell me if they can install the "xpra" package without APT suggesting to remove half the system?
[14:42] <Mrokii> Hi. Not sure if this is quite the correct room, but is Linux/Ubuntu capable of displaying HDR? And if so, I'd need recommendation for a (not too expensive) graphics-card (nvidia preferred), that is capable of delivering HDR.
[14:42] <Mrokii> I'm not familiar with HDR and such.
[14:43] <TomyWork> Mrokii, google "nvidia linus torvalds"
[14:45] <TomyWork> i mean it's from 2012, but the situation is, afaik, unchanged, in that there is still only a binary driver from nvidia
[14:45] <Mrokii> tonsofpcs: I don't really care what he has to say. Their graphics-cards have always worked fine for me, and I have no problem using their closed-source drivers.
[14:47] <TomyWork> well at the very least make sure you get a discrete GPU, not one of those mobile nvidia optimus solutions with the chip switch
[14:48] <TomyWork> cause i had that on my last work laptop and it only ever barely worked if i disabled the nvidia chip completely
[14:49] <TomyWork> fortunately, my current work laptop has no nvidia chip
[14:50] <TomyWork> but seeing as you are talking about a graphics card, you probably mean a discrete gpu
[14:50] <Mrokii> TomyWork: I'm not really familiar with graphics-cards, so I don't know anything about that chip switch. I'm looking for one for my tower.
[14:51] <Mrokii> Currently I have a "GeForce GTX 750 Ti".
[14:52] <TomyWork> as in the graphics chip from 2014?
[14:53] <Mrokii> I guess so.
[14:54] <olabaz> Hi, I'm on 20.04 and I just installed i3 and I'm trying to switch to it by logging out but there is no button to press. I have checked /usr/share/xsessions/i3.desktop exists. Any ideas?
[14:55] <TomyWork> Mrokii, how old is your mainboard and cpu and all? there could be compatibility problems if you get a recent graphics card. there have been 3-4 PCI express standards since
[14:55] <TomyWork> i'm not even sure your mainboard's PCIe slots could handle the power draw
[14:56] <mason> Mrokii: FWIW, GTX 750 Ti is still going to be pretty reputable.
[14:56] <TomyWork> Mrokii, and your power supply might not have the required connectors for a recent graphics card. all things you should consider before upgrading
[14:57] <TomyWork> your power supply is probably also too weak
[14:57] <mason> Mrokii: Can you restate your goal? Your GTX 750 Ti should be overkill for just about any video-playing application.
[14:58] <mason> Mrokii: It's many times faster than a lot of VEGA graphics people use today for that stuff, as an example.
[14:58] <TomyWork> mason, there are HDR games
[14:58] <mason> TomyWork: Right. That's why we need to know what he wants to do.
[14:58] <TomyWork> probably games :)
[14:58] <Mrokii> TomyWork: I upgraded the motherboard, CPU and power supply not too long ago. The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-AB350 Gaming 3, the CPU is a Ryzen 5.  I was using a GTX 660, almost identical to yours, until a few months ago, playing AAA games from Steam unproblematically.
[15:00] <ioria>  olabaz reboot
[15:00] <olabaz> ioria: ok i'll give that a shot. There's no way to just reset cache?
[15:01] <Mrokii> mason: My original question was, basically, if I should get a new graphics card that is HDR-capable (since I just got a new, bigger monitor which, as it happens, also supports HDR10). AS I have no clue about HDR I don't know if that is even relevant on Linux at the moment.
[15:01] <ioria>  olabaz don't remember atm
[15:01] <olabaz> ok brb
[15:01] <mason> Mrokii: Keep your current card. It's just fine. Don't switch until you encounter something you want to do that you can't.
[15:02] <TomyWork> well he wants hdr :)
[15:02] <Mrokii> mason: That's the thing, how would I know if I'd be missing out on something if my card isn't capable?
[15:02] <TomyWork> https://developer.nvidia.com/high-dynamic-range-display-development according to this, HDR is only supported starting with the 900 series
[15:02] <Mrokii> TomyWork: Indeed.
[15:04] <TomyWork> https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/hdr-video-playback/79355 this is from a month ago
[15:04] <olabaz> ioria: ok that worked thanks
[15:06] <Mrokii> TomyWork: Thanks for the info. :)
[15:07] <mason> Mrokii: You'll know if you're missing out because something won't actually work. If you just want to buy a new card, go for it. I did recently, for kicks. I got a 1660 Super and love it.
[15:13] <Mrokii> mason: Maybe I'll do just that, for the kicks. :-D I just had a look at the 1660 Super and it looks nice, also in the "right" price range for me. I'll see.
[15:22] <ioria> olabaz, you're welcome
[15:34] <dust> device-mapper: reload ioctl on osprober-linux-sdb7  failed: Device or resource busy
[15:35] <dust>  /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem.
[15:35] <dust> Sourcing file `/etc/default/grub'
[15:35] <dust> Sourcing file `/etc/default/grub.d/init-select.cfg'
[15:35] <dust> Generating grub configuration file ...
[15:35] <dust> grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem.
[15:35] <dust> zfs is the fs
[15:36] <zen_coder> how can I install clang-format in version 10.0 for ubuntu 18.04?
[15:40] <ioria> !info clang-format-10 bionic
[15:41] <RonWhoCares> Is someone able to provide the Ubuntu 20.04 steps for this?   https://askubuntu.com/a/797456/453336
[15:45] <roue_> hello
[15:45] <luna_> hey
[15:46] <roue_> I have a friend with a weird dpkg --configure error. For several packages it reports "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10". this is happening for sysstat, grub-pc, samba-common, rsyslog and unattended-upgrades.
[15:47] <roue_> I don't know what happened to this system before he pulled me in to look.
[15:47] <roue_> also, the apt sources list seems to think it's trusty, but /etc/os-release reports xenial, so maybe he broke a dist-upgrade somehow?
[15:48] <roue_> I've tried dpkg --configure -D200 sysstat as well at apt-get remove sysstate and apt-get install sysstat .
[15:48] <roue_> this root shell history doesn't show a dist-upgrade attempt as far as I see.
[15:48] <roue_> any suggestions would be appreciated.
[15:53] <dust> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1245549/ubuntu-20-04-on-zfs-cant-update-kernel-bpool-missing?r=SearchResults
[15:53] <dust> any answeres for this for existing installations?
[16:26] <SleePy> So I was upgrading my ubuntu install and the screen session crashed..  I can't reconnect to the screen session as its lost, but the dpkg process still exists.  Any way to reattach to that?
[16:28] <SleePy> I was in the middle of a shell session fixing a config file when it crashed.  So would be nice if I could get it to resume where I was working
[16:28] <bparker> google reptyr
[16:42] <the-noob> hello
[16:43] <the-noob> trying to ... anything... apt complains about broken mariadb
[16:43] <the-noob> https://pastebin.com/5zvG8gAM
[16:46] <bparker> try apt purge mysql-client-core-5.5
[16:46] <bparker> and/or dpkg-reconfigure -a
[16:49] <the-noob> dpkg-reconfigure -a => Unknown option: a
[16:50] <the-noob> purge does `Note, selecting 'mariadb-client-core-10.3' instead of 'mysql-client-core-5.5'` and ends up with the same error
[16:54] <bparker> what about apt-get -f install
[16:54] <bparker> with nothing after it
[16:56] <the-noob> same error as in pastebin, error processing archive.. maria..
[17:00] <the-noob> all hail --purge
[17:00] <the-noob> sudo apt remove --purge mariadb-client mariadb-server-core-10.3 worked
[17:22] <Gh0sta> Sorry if this question has been asked too many time
[17:22] <Gh0sta> can I create different users using Gnome, KDE, Plasma, etc
[17:24] <Greenfrog> explain a bit more do you have all those desktops on one installation?
[17:32] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: no
[17:32] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: I just have Ubuntu installed at the moment
[17:33] <Greenfrog> any one of those allows for multiple users to be created
[17:33] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: What I was thinking to achieve is this, each user login will open up a new interface?
[17:33] <Gh0sta> or is that not even possible?
[17:33] <Greenfrog> thats alittle different
[17:33] <Greenfrog> i'm not sure but i dont thinks so
[17:34] <Greenfrog> each of those desktops is a gui that sits on the top of ubuntu
[17:34] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: ahh
[17:34] <Greenfrog> i would expect you would have conflicts if you tried
[17:35] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: so installing multiple GUI over same Ubuntu wouldn't help?
[17:35] <Greenfrog> i dont think you can
[17:35] <Greenfrog> its like one or the other
[17:35] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: oh bummer
[17:35] <Greenfrog> its sorta like trying to get 2 children to share one toy
[17:36] <Greenfrog> they both want control
[17:36] <rfm> I've done both xubuntu (xfce) and ubuntu (gnome) on the same machine.  no reason to believe KDE wouldn't work
[17:36] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: how about if I try one GUI and doesn't like it and wants to go back to the original Ubuntu?
[17:36] <Greenfrog> you can try most anything what results you get is in question
[17:37] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: but is it easy to undo every change that distro has made?
[17:37] <Gh0sta> rfm: oh tell me more
[17:37] <rfm> the login screen allows the user to choose which desktop session for each login...
[17:38] <Greenfrog> rfm: so multiple desktops is possible?
[17:38] <rfm> worked for me last time I tried (which was bionic days)
[17:38] <rfm> don
[17:38] <rfm> dont think it
[17:39] <rfm> s different now
[17:39] <Greenfrog> he's asking to install kde and gnome together
[17:39] <Gh0sta> Yes :)
[17:40] <Greenfrog> not just switching user desktips
[17:40] <Greenfrog> tops
[17:42] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: and am I also right in thinking that I don't have to install Kali Linux to try some of the apps it has? I can download them on Ubuntu and use it that way?
[17:42] <Greenfrog> i dont think the os has that choice, but it would be up to you to choose a compatable desktop
[17:43] <Greenfrog> almost all of the apps that have been checked out and compatible with ubuntu are in the software repository
[17:44] <Greenfrog> if you start using something designed for another os even if its for a linux destro, i'm thinking unless you reall know what your doing you might be asking for trouble
[17:45] <Greenfrog> but if you wanna experiment gohead
[17:45] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: oh
[17:45] <Greenfrog> you might end up crashing the os and need to reinstall
[17:46] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: oh that I can afford
[17:46] <Greenfrog> ok
[17:46] <Gh0sta> not using this as my daily driver just yet
[17:46] <Greenfrog> i understand i did the same
[17:46] <Gh0sta> just experimenting on it, until I am 100% confident that I won't mess things up :')
[17:47] <Greenfrog> user error is always possible :)
[17:47] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: very true!
[17:47] <Greenfrog> there are a couple of good rules for good reasons when using linux/ubuntu
[17:48] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: I am all ears! go ahead please
[17:48] <Greenfrog> stick with your distro repository
[17:48] <Greenfrog> dont install ppa's
[17:48] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: that I have learned on day 1
[17:48] <Gh0sta> :)
[17:48] <Greenfrog> unless you really understand the terminal commands dont start using it
[17:49] <Greenfrog> or if you do
[17:49] <Greenfrog> do something simple
[17:49] <Greenfrog> the more complicated it gets the more room you have for potential errors
[17:49] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: that is very true
[17:50] <Gh0sta> hence even if I did something silly, I can start from scratch again :)
[17:50] <Greenfrog> the command like is a very/ most powerful tool but has the most potential to destroy your os if not used correctly
[17:50] <Gh0sta> using this system as a standalone, aiming it to break it somehow :D
[17:51] <Greenfrog> well, then that leaves you room to experiment and learn
[17:51] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: I learn faster when I break things
[17:51] <Greenfrog> we all do  :)
[17:51] <Gh0sta> haha
[17:51] <Gh0sta> easy to un-learn anything which have done harm
[17:51] <Greenfrog> i remember when ppl first started to jailbreak ipods
[17:52] <Gh0sta> Classic!
[17:52] <Greenfrog> some ppl made a mistake and bricked the device
[17:52] <Gh0sta> I have always JB my iOS devices until very recently
[17:52] <Gh0sta> stopped doing it, as we get everything now in the default iOS
[17:52] <Greenfrog> i dunno if thats permenant but i heard it was possible
[17:53] <Gh0sta> Bricked devices can be repaired as it is just the software and not the hardware has been damaged
[17:53] <Greenfrog> i understand
[17:54] <Gh0sta> I have spend a long time away from my passion
[17:54] <Gh0sta> busy in making money and all
[17:54] <Gh0sta> now I think I have made it to the otherside, I am interested to reinstate for which I was made
[17:54] <Greenfrog> being?
[17:54] <Gh0sta> doing something in IT
[17:55] <Greenfrog> ah
[17:55] <Gh0sta> I have always been very close to computers since childhood
[17:55] <Greenfrog> my passion too, just no good at it
[17:55] <Gh0sta> but never had a chance to study it or make a living out of it
[17:55] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: I take it you are from Germany?
[17:56] <Greenfrog> no
[17:56] <Greenfrog> never been there
[17:56] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: oh excuse me than :)
[17:56] <Greenfrog> sok :)
[17:56] <Greenfrog> there may be a possibility my forefathers may have been
[17:57] <Greenfrog> what made you think that?
[17:57] <Greenfrog> just curious
[17:59] <Greenfrog> well it appears you may have been more right than i thought
[17:59] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: not sure!
[17:59] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: I had a gut feeling :D
[17:59] <Greenfrog> It is entirely safe to install as many window managers as you want. ... but you can also simply install the few packages you want. You can also run KDE packages under Gnome, Unity, Enlightenment and vice-versa. They are just apps using specific libs, there is no restriction on what you run.
[18:00] <Greenfrog> well, i learned something :)
[18:00] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: that's sound promising
[18:00] <Gh0sta> :)
[18:01] <Greenfrog> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/40443/is-it-safe-to-install-kde-along-with-gnome
[18:02] <felixi> a question. Is it possible to install stuff into your home? With dependencies and stuff. Like with ./configure you can use --prefix if you don't like /usr/local
[18:02] <Greenfrog> what makes me curious is it didnt exactly say they can coexist. do you get that?
[18:03] <Greenfrog> felixi: i dont know enough to comment, wait till someone takes your question
[18:03] <stark_contrast> I have two installations of 20.04 and neither have had any available package updates for a looong time. I can't tell if anything is wrong. Advice?
[18:04] <Greenfrog> when did you install them?
[18:04] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: Thanks for the link
[18:05] <Gh0sta> Greenfrog: I will get on with it1
[18:05] <Greenfrog> k, enjoy :)
[18:05] <Greenfrog> stark_contrast: when did you install them?
[18:06] <Greenfrog> and how long is along time?
[18:06] <|subz3r0|> longer than a short period of time
[18:07] <oerheks> time to do a proper update, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade # and reboot
[18:08] <|subz3r0|> stark_contrast: did you check the logs? if not - do it. -> less /var/log/apt/history.log
[18:11] <stark_contrast> I installed them 1+ years ago, and no updates for maybe 1+ months.sudo apt update says nothing available. sudo apt upgrade does nothing either.
[18:11] <stark_contrast> Is there a command to find out what was upgraded most recently?
[18:14] <oerheks> pastebin the output of your update command on paste.ubuntu.com please
[18:19] <stark_contrast> Pasted output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NxbnhKhhBw/
[18:20] <oerheks> very poor list of repos..
[18:20] <oerheks> check your update settings?
[18:20] <stark_contrast> The /var/log/apt/history.log is 0 bytes, dated Aug 1
[18:22] <genii> stark_contrast: Try /var/log/dpkg.log
[18:24] <oerheks> this is what mine looks like: you disabled a lot of repos
[18:24] <oerheks> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rMPgcMGqgK/
[18:25] <oerheks> no updates at all ...?
[18:32] <stark_contrast> Ok. Now I see that my dist upgrade commented out all my other sources. I re-enabled the ones in /etc/apt/sources.list.d and the update is better.
[18:33] <oerheks> :-)
[18:33] <oerheks> have fun!
[18:33] <oerheks> ( do not forget to reboot after a kernel or core component)
[19:01] <revolve> Anyone know how to deal with getting stuck at dev/sda1: clean, 552599/6111232 files, 7119295/24414464 blocks
[19:02] <revolve> Anyone know how to deal with getting stuck at "/dev/sda1: clean, 552599/6111232 files, 7119295/24414464 blocks" during boot?
[19:04] <oerheks> disk is unmounted with force/ dirty ..
[19:05] <oerheks> or, there is a bad block, one could check with fsck .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[19:06] <revolve> Anyone know how to deal with getting stuck at "/dev/sda1: clean, 552599/6111232 files, 7119295/24414464 blocks" during boot? I can ctrl+alt+f2 to a tty and `startx` from there but how do I get the machine to just boot to gdm like it used to?
[19:06] <oerheks> no, i don't.
[19:06] <oerheks> cross posting is not nice.
[19:06] <revolve> would running fsck from a live distro fix it or is it something else?
[19:07] <oerheks> yes, see the wiki
[19:07] <revolve> thanks
[19:18] <bparker> revolve: if that's all you see, that seems to suggest you have bigger issues, like, why is there not even a login prompt?
[19:19] <bparker> or maybe somehow you have a console= kernel line that's set to one that doesn't have a getty setup on it
[19:19] <bparker> > yes, see the wiki <- um no, that is not related at all
[19:20] <bparker> revolve: perhaps gdm was disable on bootup? you can try "sudo systemctl enable gdm" and then reboot to confirm
[19:20] <oerheks> ?
[19:21] <oerheks> bparker, sure it is related, to check the health of the drive
[19:21] <bparker> oerheks: the fact that 1. the output from above was already *from* fsck, and that it said there were no problems, means the issue is not related to fsck or their disk and 2. that just happened to be the last thing that was printed and isn't part of the problem
[19:21] <bparker> more likely is some config was changed
[19:22] <bparker> whether accidental or not
[19:22] <oerheks> interesting thought. fsck often finds a bad block.
[19:38] <th_> need that emoji picker to work across all apps
[19:38] <pavlos> jwash: did you ever get rid of that grep apt process?
[19:39] <TJ-> 20.04, X server, Xbuntu - sometimes for no apparent reason the touchpad device movement messages stop arriving. Buttons continue as before. No suspend/resume involved. No obvious clues to cause or indications in logs to why. I seem to recall once that switching VT resolved it but that only solved it once so probably coincidence. Any suggestions on what to dig into next?
[19:40] <sarnold> pavlos: btw that 'grep' was always just finding itself
[19:40] <sarnold> pavlos: bash starts it before starting the ps process, then ps sees it and reports it, and then grep finds itself and reports that
[19:40] <sarnold> pavlos: everything working as expected, completely normal
[19:45] <pavlos> sarnold: ok, thx
[19:46] <sarnold> :)
[19:59] <zamba> how do i remove ecryptfs?
[20:01] <sarnold> zamba: have you already copied out all the data you want to keep?
[20:20] <zamba> yup
[20:36] <HikaruBG> hi guys!
[20:36] <bparker> o/
[20:37] <HikaruBG> I have the following problem: I need to sync my /home/user folders from two diffrent Ubuntu workstations so I have centralized file/worskation experience on both of them
[20:37] <HikaruBG> how do I do that?
[20:38] <bparker> rsync is one of many ways
[20:38] <HikaruBG> do I need another UBUNTU server in order to use it as a /home/user server??
[20:38] <bparker> but kinda need more info
[20:38] <oerheks> HikaruBG, use a cloud service? or run your own nextcloud for this.
[20:38] <HikaruBG> bparker: I need the sync to run once both workstations are on the same network
[20:38] <bparker> lik do the workstations always need to have the exact same folder at all times? or is some delay between syncing ok?
[20:38] <plexdave> hello! I am trying to install an audio production system on 20.04 and for the life of me I cannot figure out how to install jack-mixer
[20:39] <HikaruBG> bparker: some delay between the workstations is OK
[20:39] <bparker> rsync in crontab should work then
[20:40] <bparker> but you need to figure out what to do when there are conflicts
[20:40] <HikaruBG> I need to have centralized users place, in order I decide to get new workstation
[20:40] <bparker> like the same file name with different content between 2 machines
[20:40] <bparker> what should happen then
[20:40] <HikaruBG> i need that one to be able to transfer all the work files and software from the other ones
[20:40] <bparker> sorry I don't really understand
[20:41] <bparker> if they're on the same network, maybe NFS is better suited for you
[20:41] <bparker> then there is no issue with delay or arbitration
[20:41] <bparker> they all share the same data
[20:42] <HikaruBG> for instance. I used to work in a factory, where if a workstation goes down, the IT team brings the user new one and they have the same programs/files, even desktop background image...  no losses.
[20:42] <HikaruBG> The only difference - they were using Microsoft Windows.
[20:42] <HikaruBG> Is there such user database in Linux?
[20:42] <bparker> that sounds more like NFS then, or SMB shares
[20:42] <bparker> typically that is done with NFS on *nix
[20:43] <HikaruBG> bparker: thanks!
[20:43] <HikaruBG> I will take a look at the NFS
[20:45] <HikaruBG> Quick question though... Can I have all this set up, so the /home/user filespace lives on another computer, so once new user is created, no matter if I decide to upgrade their workstation, they will keep all the workfiles and the software they were using before
[20:48] <HikaruBG> bparker: disregard my last question...  NFS is exactly what I need :)
[20:48] <HikaruBG> thank you bparker
[21:24] <oerheks> just noticed; google chrome updates itself in the background, the control chrome icon truns into a green arrow, and shows message it has an update available, applied after relaunch
[21:24] <oerheks> unow running Version 85.0.4183.102 (Official Build) (64-bit)
[21:25] <jeremy31> oerheks: Google chrome adds a repo to the list and updates at the same time as the other repos
[21:25] <oerheks> jeremy31, yes, until today.
[21:25] <oerheks> it can update itself.
[21:25] <oerheks> like a snap, i guess.
[21:26] <jeremy31> oerheks: I will keep an eye out for that
[21:26] <oerheks> This is new behaviour, that is why i mention it
[21:26] <oerheks> thanks.. i should have made a screenshot of the icon and menu item
[21:26] <oerheks> :-(
[21:29] <bray90820> Would sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdd make a bootable backup?
[21:30] <TJ-> bray90820: not if the system uses UEFI since that addds a menu entry into the motherboard memory
[21:30] <sarnold> I think I would expect it to, that's after all how we make our bootable usb sticks..
[21:30] <bray90820> That is a good point
[21:30] <bray90820> Thanks
[21:30] <oerheks> bray90820, no, the copied partitions should have their own unique ID. update-grub to fix that.
[21:31] <TJ-> bray90820: you'd need to copy the /efi//EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi to /efi/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI
[21:32] <bray90820> So I run DD then copy that file and I should be good?
[21:32] <TJ-> bray90820: and the associated files from that same directory - and possibly deal with some hard-coded paths in that GRUB core image too
[21:32] <TJ-> bray90820: you can test it by trying to boot the cloned 'disk' in a virtual machine
[21:32] <bray90820> So then is there a better way to make a bootable backup of ubuntu?
[21:33] <TJ-> bray90820: the Ubuntu part is fine; its' the link with the system mobo firmware menu in NVRAM that is the issue
[21:34] <TJ-> bray90820: so if you use the /EFI/BOOT/ path that is the "removable media boot path" and is looked for by firmware without requiring an entry in mobo's NVRAM
[21:34] <TJ-> bray90820: works for USB flash devices, CD/DVD boot, etc.
[21:34] <bray90820> Yeah Idk what you mean by that
[21:39] <TJ-> bray90820: UEFI stores the boot entries on the motherboard, so to boot from removable devices UEFI spec mandates a standard path to look for a boot loader which is /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI for 64-bit AMD/Intel architecture
[21:40] <TJ-> bray90820: because for removable media obviously there won't be an entry stored in the motherboard NVRAM
[21:41] <bray90820> TJ I was going to make a backup on a sata drive with a dock and boot it internally with sata so would the entry be needed?
[21:42] <TJ-> bray90820: boot in from the same system? you'd need a new entry added to the system's firmware menu pointing to that device. You'd use efibootmgr to add that manually
[21:44] <jelly> no LTS release upgrade yet, eh?
[21:44] <bray90820> So I would run dd then use efibootmgr?
[21:45] <oerheks> jelly, nope.
[21:45] <oerheks> some LVM issues holding back, probably more.
[21:46] <bray90820> oerheks: What LVM issues?
[21:46] <bray90820> That's really good to note
[21:48] <bray90820> TJ-: would I run dd then use efibootmgr because that I can do
[21:48] <oerheks> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-1-lts-point-release-status-tracking/17604
[21:49] <TJ-> bray90820: yes
[21:49] <bray90820> Thanks
[21:50] <oerheks> i do not spot the lvm thingy there, probably fixed.
[21:50] <bray90820> Do you by chance know of any samba issues with 20.04.1
[23:19] <linux-ninja> Whenever I tried to do "apt-get update" it gets stuck on "0% waiting for headers"....this is a clean installation...any clues what is causing this?
[23:22] <sarnold> linux-ninja: I first suspect that you may be using a proxy, or your ISP may be using a proxy, that is screwing with your traffic
[23:22] <linux-ninja> no proxy
[23:22] <linux-ninja> it was working fine earlier today and then it stop working
[23:24] <linux-ninja> sarnold, it justs get stuck on that "0% waiting for headers"
[23:24] <sarnold> linux-ninja: can you ping the archive server you've got configured?
[23:25] <alichtman> Hey, so I've recently run an update and rebooted later, only to find an issue with libffi. Terminal fails to open with the error "ImportError: libffi.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory." Can someone point me in the right direction for installing libffi v7?
[23:25] <linux-ninja> it looks like its fetching from "us.archive.ubuntu.com/****
[23:25] <linux-ninja> IP address <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:26] <linux-ninja> I can ping it
[23:26] <sarnold> alichtman: sudo apt install libffi7   should do the job
[23:27] <sarnold> linux-ninja: okay.. how about wget http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal-updates/InRelease ?
[23:28] <alichtman> sarnold: Unable to locate package libffi7
[23:28] <alichtman> I tried that already, unfortunately
[23:28] <linux-ninja> sarnold, stuck at "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... "
[23:30] <sarnold> linux-ninja: okay.... my next Usual Steps are to either fire up tcpdump / wireshark / tshark and try to spot what's wrong on the wire, or use strace and try to spot what's wrong with the syscalls... I'm going to guess that tcpdump kind of path may make more sense at the moment
[23:31] <alichtman> sarnold: I'm on 20.10, not 20.04. I have a feeling that is what's causing the problems
[23:31] <sarnold> alichtman: which ubuntu release are you on? it looks like libffi7 is in focal, but bionic is libffi6 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libffi
[23:31] <sarnold> alichtman: ohhhhh
[23:31] <linux-ninja> sarnold, looks like "Resolving wget (wget)... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution."
[23:31] <sarnold> alichtman: what the HECK happened there... wow
[23:31] <alichtman> I definitely jumped on the beta release a bit too early
[23:31] <linux-ninja> how do I adjust the entires under /etc/resolv.conf under release 20.04 LTS?
[23:31] <linux-ninja> entries*
[23:31] <sarnold> alichtman: please do file a bug report on this one :)
[23:31] <linux-ninja> looks like a symlink
[23:32] <alichtman> linux-ninja: $ vim /etc/resolv.conf
[23:32] <linux-ninja> alichtman, thats a symlink and wont allow to change it
[23:32] <sarnold> linux-ninja: that's complicated these days :) read the systemd-resolved(8) manapge to learn the four different ways that /etc/resolv.conf is used by systemd-resolved ..
[23:32] <alichtman> sarnold: Can you point me in the right direction for that? I'm a bit of an Ubuntu newbie (<6 months)
[23:33] <alichtman> oh nvm think I found it
[23:33] <linux-ninja> sarnold
[23:33] <linux-ninja> looks like a lot of stuff has change under 20.04
[23:35] <sarnold> linux-ninja: so, I don't think this is necessarily productive approach to solving your problem (a) the system isn't reporting an error in resolving the name, right? (b) it can apparently ping the archive hosts, it just can't http to the archive hosts
[23:35] <linux-ninja> right
[23:36] <TJ-> linux-ninja: system choosing IPv6 and there being no IPv6 path is often the cause
[23:36] <linux-ninja> TJ, checking
[23:37] <TJ-> linux-ninja: another issue can be if there is a local squid-deb-proxy server advertising itself on the network via mDNS *and* your client has squid-deb-proxy-client installed
[23:38] <sarnold> TJ-: ooh
[23:38] <linux-ninja> TJ, this is a plain vanilla installation with nothing install on it
[23:38] <linux-ninja> :-)
[23:38] <TJ-> linux-ninja: but from reading back, I'd suspect your ISP is operating a transparent HTTP proxy that is modifying returned data in some way
[23:38] <sarnold> can any other hosts on your network wget that InRelease file?
[23:39] <alichtman> sarnold: Filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libffi/+bug/1895360
[23:39] <alichtman> oh hey that's mine
[23:40] <TJ-> linux-ninja: try "sudo apt-get -o Debug::Acquire::http=true update" for more info
[23:40] <sarnold> alichtman: sweet thanks
[23:40] <alichtman> Do you have any suggestions for what I should do rn?
[23:41] <alichtman> I need a working system a few hours from now
[23:41] <alichtman> Worst case, I have TimeShift backups but I'd love to just plug in the missing library
[23:41] <devslash> After I log into Ubuntu Server, it shows a screen with info like disk usage, cpu temp, how many new packages can be updated etc. What command is it running to show that info ?
[23:42] <TJ-> alichtman: check what versions of libffi are still available with "apt list -a 'libffi*' "
[23:42] <TJ-> devslash: it uses motd
[23:42] <linux-ninja> TJ, this is what I am getting back: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HN3kfCctwd/
[23:42] <TJ-> !info motd | devslash
[23:42] <bparker> devslash: never seen that but I use gnome-system-monitor
[23:43] <TJ-> hmmph!
[23:43] <linux-ninja> TJ, here is a longer snip: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jHvcSJmkmC/
[23:43] <TJ-> ahhh, motd id ins basefiles
[23:43] <alichtman> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8gj7xT485b/
[23:43] <TJ-> devslash: so basefiles and update-notifier-common
[23:44] <devslash> basefiles is the actual command that shows that motd like message
[23:44] <alichtman> Doesn't look like libffi7 is available :/
[23:45] <TJ-> linux-ninja: might be worth asking/reporting in #canonical-sysadmin
[23:46] <sarnold> alichtman: you could try installing these alongside: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libffi/3.3-4/+build/18885702
[23:46] <TJ-> alichtman: that's the bonus of using a dev version in production!
[23:46] <devslash> i dont have a binary called update-notifier
[23:47] <linux-ninja> TJ, I am suspecting something is up with updates
[23:47] <alichtman> haha I've certainly learned my lesson about running non-stable releases
[23:47] <alichtman> thankfully this is just my home workstation
[23:48] <alichtman> sarnold: sorry, stupid question but how do I actually install what you linked?
[23:49] <TJ-> alichtman: there should be a (buried) link to the .deb packages against the build info
[23:49] <sarnold> alichtman: wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libffi/3.3-4/+build/18885702/+files/libffi7_3.3-4_amd64.deb and then dpkg -i the file
[23:49] <alichtman> you're a legend
[23:49] <alichtman> thanks
[23:49] <sarnold> well, it hsan't worked yet...
[23:49] <sarnold> don't be so quick :)
[23:50] <alichtman> :)
[23:50] <alichtman> I HAVE A TERMINAL AGAIN!
[23:51] <alichtman> I stand by what I said earlier
[23:51] <TJ-> you had a terminal TERMINAL earlier!
[23:51] <alichtman> thanks TJ + sarnold
[23:51] <sarnold> alichtman: YAY! :D
[23:51] <TJ-> or a terminated terminal?
[23:51] <sarnold> throw it out the window and see it hits terminal velocity :)
[23:52] <TJ-> alichtman: now you have to keep track of when is the correct time to remove libffi7 because later it might cause issues in reverse :D
[23:52] <alichtman> oh god
[23:52] <TJ-> alichtman: check that installing it didn't overwrite the plain libffi.so symlink that libffi8 previously owned - if it did, you now have to managed that manually
[23:52] <sarnold> probably you'll forget about it for years until you see it in ubuntu-security-status output or something and wonder why it's still installed...
[23:52] <alichtman> It did not
[23:53] <alichtman> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rkB8rGvW3w/
[23:54] <alichtman> Here's what I've got now. Sorry for the mangled ascii icons


[00:00] <ncweber> You could say that about Ubuntu Touch
[00:00] <kjcole> ncweber: Yeah, I was just pointing out the link betwixt Sailfish and Jolla.
[00:01] <ncweber> Oh, I've been keeping an eye on them, and Tizen too.
[00:01] <ncweber> Choice is good.
[00:02] <kjcole> I got my only cell phone when I went to Google IO and they gave it to me for free, along with a month of free service. When the service expired, I did not renew.  So, although I read about Tizen, et al occasionally, I don't follow closely.
[00:04] <ncweber> I try to keep abreast of varying things going on in the open source mobile space.
[00:04] <ncweber> It's a bit tricky with my sparse free time.
[00:05] <kjcole> I keep waiting for a true daylight readable screen -- e.g. Pixel Qi (http://www.pixelqi.com/) or Mirasol (http://www.qualcomm.com/mirasol) -- along with an open OS and a sane data plan.
[00:05] <ncweber> Heh, the holy grail of mobile devices.
[00:08] <ncweber> Well, I'm going to take off, so to speak.
[01:00] <marcoceppi> ack! sorry


[06:17] <RikMills> mmikowski: nothing in particular.
[06:18] <RikMills> https://kde.org/announcements/frameworks/5/5.98.0/
[06:18] <RikMills> if anything stands out to you
[06:18] <RikMills> oh, someone on TG reported plasma crashes when adding desktop widgets with 5.95
[06:19] <RikMills> apparently recently fixed, so likely fix is in 5.98
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:05] <KhairulAizatKama> Hi
[14:05] <mparillo> I am looking forward to the Plasma Beta, and trying zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/kinetic-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync without success. Assuming it is working for somebody else, I will assume some office firewall / proxy issue.
[14:25] <RikMills> mparillo: yeah, works here
[17:01] <mparillo> OK, either my office or my realtek wireless
[18:01] <mmikowski> ok Rik, we'll give it a once over
[19:30] <valorie> anyone who wants to go to Akademy *should go*
[19:30] <valorie> ask for funding from the U. Community Fund
[19:30] <valorie> they have always given me all the money I asked for
[19:31] <valorie> it is amazing fun
[19:31]  * valorie is not traveling overseas this year
[19:32] <valorie> btw in case anyone asks about losing the ability to use a mic in zoom -- it changed my settings!
[19:32] <valorie> had to call up alsamixer to get the mic turned off mute
[19:32] <valorie> grrrr at zoom for messing with my computer
[19:33] <valorie> I've heard the same complaint from Win users
[21:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: SRU bug 1989611 is next for plasma-distro-release-notifier
[22:09] <mmikowski> RikMills: Will be reviewing Frameworks update tonight and tomorrow.


[01:00] <pleia2> hi everyone, Americas board meeting should be starting now but it looks like neither of the folks on the list are here at the moment
[01:00] <pleia2> kombuchakip? dhillonv10?
[01:01] <pleia2> we'll be here for a half hour if either of them comes by, but then we'll have to call it a night
[01:06] <dinda> pleia2: ok, i
[01:06] <dinda> pleia2: I'm around if needed
[01:07] <pleia2> ok, I'll ping you if they show up :)
[01:07]  * pleia2 has an ubuntu hour to skip off to after the meeting anyway
[01:30] <pleia2> ok folks, I think we're going to wrap this up
[01:30] <nhandler> Sorry for anyone who showed up to support any of the applicants
[01:30] <pleia2> thanks for coming anyway :)
[09:59] <czajkowski> /c
[10:00] <jpds>  /j
[10:34] <soren> /?
[14:52] <pitti> skaet: good morning! meeting is in 8 mins, right?
[14:55] <tsimpson> Pici: fridge says it stars in an hour
[14:55] <tsimpson> err, pitti
[14:55] <tsimpson> (tab-fail)
[14:55] <Pici> tsimpson: its okay, I'm used to getting pitti's hilights.
[14:56] <pitti> * Time: 1500UTC - 1630UTC
[14:56] <pitti> that's what the email invitation said
[14:56] <pitti> (and that also was the usual time for many, many months)
[14:57] <pitti> tsimpson: I guess the fridge isn't UTC based?
[14:57] <tsimpson> pitti: it _should_ be, butt google has UTC fail recently
[14:58] <tsimpson> I think it gets confused about DST changes
[15:00] <apw> yep, 15:00 is now
[15:07] <ogra> pitti, in 1h
[15:07] <ogra> as usual
[15:07] <pitti> ogra: depends on the definition of "as usual" :) 1500 UTC was "as usual" during summer
[15:07] <pitti> and also in the previous winter
[15:08] <ogra> well, i got an invitation from skaet that says 17:00 local time for me
[15:08] <pitti> gcal is broken
[15:08] <ogra> i usually trust evolutions TZ translation here
[15:08] <pitti> ogra: the email invitation said 1500 UTC
[15:08] <ogra> more than gcal
[15:08] <apw> * Time: 1500UTC - 1630UTC
[15:08] <pitti> but anyway, she's not here yet, so I guess we postpone it to later
[15:09] <skaet> pitti,  sorry about the calendar glitch.   I was expecting it to start in an hour....
[15:09] <apw>  apw@dm$ date -u
[15:09] <apw> Fri Nov 19 15:08:58 UTC 2010
[15:09] <apw> skaet, that is cause you believed the crap google cal tells you :)
[15:09] <ScottK> o/
[15:09] <apw> it has never been right since you guys moves the time of the DST transitions off the time the rest of the world does them
[15:09] <skaet> apw,  indeed...   silly me,  believing the tools work.   sigh.  should know better.
[15:09] <apw> :)
[15:10] <ScottK> apw: Well that's over now, so I think that's not it.
[15:10] <apw> ScottK, is it?  ok
[15:10] <ScottK> I think.  Doesn't Europe switch first?
[15:10] <ScottK> US switched last weekend.
[15:10] <ScottK> (or was it two weeks, I've lost track)
[15:11] <apw> yeah we switched when you used to do ... having aligned with you :)
[15:11] <ScottK> Of course.
[15:11] <skaet> see y'all back here in an hour, ok?
[15:11] <ScottK> At least it's not like Argentina where the legistlature has to decide it every year.
[15:12] <pitti> skaet: why not start now?
[15:12] <skaet> don't think marjo & victorp are around...
[15:12] <ogra> pitti, because i have my page not ready yet :P
[15:12] <pitti> skaet: if not, do we officially move it later one hour just for today, or for subsequent meetings as well?
[15:12] <victorp> skaet - hi
[15:12] <skaet> pitti,  all subsequent ones.
[15:13] <victorp> my calendar shows that it starts in 45min
[15:13] <apw> skaet, have you checked if the hour after is empty too ?
[15:13] <victorp> busy now
[15:13] <apw> victorp, your calendar is wrong sadly ... google is hopeless with DST handling
[15:13] <victorp> apw - yes it is
[15:14] <victorp> the sad fact still remain that I am book in another meeting :)
[15:14] <apw> skaet, ok on the fridge its at 16:00-17:00 UTC
[15:16]  * skaet shakes head head - its showing on mine (and I set it, as 10am)...
[15:17] <skaet> I'll go in, and re-create it now that all the time zones have settled down, and see if we can get it on everyone's calendar properly.
[15:18] <skaet> sorry 'bout the glitch.  :(
[15:19] <skaet> pitti, ScottK, ogra, victorp, apw - will see you back here in ~40 mins.    thanks for your patience.
[15:19] <charlie-tca> I am starting to severely dislike these calendars. They seem to fail often
[15:19]  * skaet nods
[15:28] <soren> skaet: Secret trick: If the calendar you're using doesn't let you set UTC as your timezone, try setting it to Iceland. They follow UTC (and have no DST).
[15:31] <soren> skaet: That's TZ="Atlantic/Reykjavik", by the way.
[15:31]  * skaet hugs soren - good tip!
[15:32] <soren> skaet: The problem is if it's been scheduled in a TZ that has DST. Then the UTC time of it changes as that TZ moved in and out of DST. Mass confusion ensues.
[15:57]  * skaet has gone in and recreated the calendar entry - it should be showing up at 16:00 UTC ... fingers crossed.
[15:57] <skaet> which should be in about 3 minutes from now.....
[15:58] <ogra> 2
[15:59] <ScottK> 1
[15:59]  * marjo waves
[15:59] <skaet> #startmeetin
[15:59] <ogra> GOOOOOO ! :)
[15:59]  * pitti throws a g
[15:59] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:59. The chair is skaet.
[15:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:00]  * joshuahoover waves
[16:00] <skaet> morning all,  sorry about the calendar glitches....
[16:00]  * charlie-tca waves - observing
[16:01] <skaet> welcome to kickoff for Natty release planning.
[16:01] <skaet> Release Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[16:01] <robbiew> o/
[16:02] <zematynnad> o/
[16:02] <skaet> on the agenda,  there are a variety of actions that have caried over from the UDS BOF.
[16:02] <skaet> most are for me, and are in progress ;)
[16:03] <ScottK> skaet: FWIW, I'd prefer the term lessons learned over post-mortem.
[16:03] <skaet> just wondering if anyone had comments about the NattyReleaseSchedule?
[16:03] <skaet> ScottK,  no problem - will change it.
[16:04] <marjo> skaet: another term is "retrospective"
[16:05] <skaet> Thanks marjo,  will work with "lessons learned",  have heard it used a bit more in other places.  :)
[16:05] <sconklin> could you post the agenda link please?
[16:05] <jdstrand> o/
[16:05] <skaet> is cjwatson around?
[16:05] <ScottK> skaet: IIRC we were going to add the Linaro freeze to the schedule.
[16:05] <marjo> sconklin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2010-11-19
[16:05] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2010-11-19
[16:06] <skaet> all,  the link is in the meeting invite as well for future reference.
[16:06] <cjwatson> hi
[16:06] <skaet> ScottK,   Linaro invite is on the NattyReleaseInterlock page
[16:07] <skaet> hi cjwatson, before natty alpha1, merge cron jobs (still limited cron jobs) - where are we with this?
[16:07]  * skaet just going through the action items, before going into the round table.
[16:08] <cjwatson> skaet: not sure I understand what that means.  do you remember more detail?
[16:08] <ScottK> skaet: I'm reasonably certain most people will just look at the release shcedule.
[16:08] <skaet> cjwatson, hmm, not handy - will take it up with you offline then.
[16:09] <cjwatson> skaet: if it means cdimage cron jobs, that's all don
[16:09] <cjwatson> *done
[16:09] <cjwatson> but I don't know if that's what it means
[16:09] <skaet> ScottK,  if so, will work with JamieBennett to get it added in
[16:09] <skaet> cjwatson, thats likely it, will double check later.
[16:10] <skaet> On to Team Updates Section now...
[16:10] <ScottK> skaet: Is there supposed to be an A-1 work item iteration in the schedule (it seems odd to start with 2)?
[16:10] <ScottK> skaet: There was an item in the overview we needed to discuss
[16:11] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/677209
[16:11] <skaet> ScottK, when I asked about that A-1 vs. A-2, was told we don't make commitments for A-1,  only going in for A-2, which is why its listed as such.
[16:11] <ScottK> OK.
[16:12] <pitti> we still use some a1 milestoning for stuff that really needs to land early, FWIW
[16:13] <pitti> but that can be considered "team-internal planning" only
[16:13] <skaet> ScottK,  re: 677290,  cjwatson is aware of it.   Not sure there's a solution known - but agree need to figure something out.
[16:14] <ScottK> skaet: OK.  All the items in the related bug are about the bug tracker.  I think that have access to the Ubuntu archive is a rather more urgent and serious matter.
[16:14] <skaet> cjwatson, robbiew ?
[16:14] <cjwatson> aye
[16:15] <cjwatson> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[16:15] <cjwatson> Most specs are in place now.  A lot of our work is carried over from previous cycles, so we didn't have so much drafting to do this time round, although there are a few significant additions.
[16:15] <cjwatson> A selection of interesting things that have been happening over the last couple of weeks in foundations, aside from the usual bringing up of the archive, CD images, merges, and the like:
[16:15] <cjwatson>  * early development work on flicker-free boot
[16:15] <cjwatson>  * gcc linking changes, dealing with associated build failures
[16:15] <cjwatson>  * preliminary patches for notifying plymouth about upstart state changes
[16:15] <cjwatson>  * primary and ports builds consolidated into single directories on cdimage
[16:15] <cjwatson>  * pushing the grub/btrfs licensing question a bit further up the hill with relevant external licence holders
[16:15] <cjwatson>  * python2.7 build failure work
[16:15] <cjwatson>  * software-center ratings-and-reviews work
[16:15] <cjwatson>  * training new team member on upstart
[16:15] <cjwatson> One thing I should note is that Ubuntu 10.04.2 is not all that far away.  If you have bugs you want to get fixed there, get them into the SRU process as soon as possible!
[16:15] <cjwatson> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-10.04.2
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-10.04.2
[16:15] <cjwatson> I think that's all
[16:15] <cjwatson> 677209: I'm going to try changing the owner to ubuntu-archive today
[16:16] <cjwatson> in fact, right now.  let's see what blows up.
[16:16]  * skaet LOL.... wasn't quite ready to go there, but .... ok,  lets head in.
[16:16] <cjwatson> oh, sorry!  I thought you were asking for the foundations update
[16:16] <skaet> lol
[16:16] <skaet> no worries.
[16:17] <marjo> skaet: feels like a first release meeting :)
[16:17] <skaet> [TOPIC] Team Updates
[16:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team Updates
[16:17] <cjwatson> ForbiddenAttribute.  poo.
[16:17] <cjwatson> I'll ask for a LOSA to do it.
[16:17] <skaet> next week - concerned that Alpha1  is week after, and its also Thanksgiving weekend.
[16:18] <skaet> cjwatson are we in good enough shape, we can cancel the meeting or should I hold it?
[16:18] <pitti> cjwatson: I guess python2.6 is meant to disappear from a standard install by final natty? or is there a different plan for 2.6/2.7?
[16:19] <skaet> Also,   just want people to know we'll be starting up a bi-weekly meeting to discuss SRU and 10.04.2 LTS next monday, and 10.04.2 won't be covered in this meeting.
[16:20] <cjwatson> skaet: up to you, Thanksgiving doesn't affect me :)
[16:20] <cjwatson> pitti: ScottK will know current thinking better than I.  I think we want to avoid multiple Python versions on the CDs though
[16:20] <ScottK> pitti: We need to see how 2.7 goes.  Plan is to make a final decision before feature freeze.
[16:20]  * jdstrand won't be here, but also won't have anything to contribute in the highest of all likelihoods
[16:20] <pitti> ScottK: so it'll be one or the other?
[16:20] <skaet> cjwatson,  ok.   Will cancel it formally, but if it looks like an ad-hoc is needed, we can use this slot, for those around...
[16:21] <ScottK> pitti: We may have to support both, but only one needs to be on the CD (although .so duplication in extensions and such will still cost space)
[16:21] <pitti> ScottK: understood, thanks
[16:21] <skaet> Other piece of news,  is that we'll be opening up o-series and p-series as planning place holders in next month.
[16:21] <skaet>     * These are for assigning bugs and workitems to (so they don't get lost, and can be revisited in and organized fashion at the start of each cycle).
[16:21] <skaet>     * Nothing can be uploaded to o-series (or p-series for that matter) until the start of the next release cycle.
[16:21] <skaet>     * More communication will be coming out.
[16:22] <pitti> ScottK: at least we'll have some more potential space savings for the next cycle again :)
[16:22] <ScottK> Yep
[16:22] <pitti> skaet: \o/
[16:22] <pitti> great help for bug targetting
[16:22] <ScottK> barry has been discovering some undocumented gotchas in 2.7, but nothing that's a show stopper so far.
[16:22] <skaet> pitti: indeed.   :)    Thanks to jml and launchpad team for helping with this.
[16:23] <skaet> ok... moving on to the roundtable...
[16:23] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA update
[16:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA update
[16:23] <marjo> hi folks!
[16:23]  * skaet o/
[16:23] <marjo> in case you missed the memo, Quality Is A Major Focus For Natty!
[16:24] <marjo> * Blueprints Review
[16:24] <marjo> All blueprints and work items approved and some already done.
[16:24] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa.html
[16:24] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa.html
[16:24]  * pitti makes a note that work item chart URLs sohuld use ~platform now
[16:24] <marjo> pitti: ack
[16:24] <ogra> but but ... the credits !
[16:24] <marjo> * Would like to introduce Jean-Baptiste Lallement (jibel). He's taken over testing lead from ara. Thank you to ara for all her excellent work in previous releases!
[16:25] <skaet> thanks ara, and welcome jibel   :)
[16:25] <jibel> Hi all
[16:25] <marjo> * Natty Test Plan
[16:25] <marjo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-qa-n-testplan
[16:25] <marjo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/NattyTestPlan
[16:25] <marjo> Please review and provide feedback; it's not too late
[16:26] <skaet> marjo,  will do.  thanks.
[16:26] <marjo> As part of jibel's work, please take a look at the following
[16:26] <marjo> * Desktop Automated Testing Results
[16:26] <marjo>  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/#unity
[16:27] <marjo> i think it's quite a nice format, but as usual, if you have any enhancement requests, please just ask
[16:27] <pitti> that's quite impressive!
[16:27] <marjo> we want the QA reports to be useful and meaningful so we can use the data for decision making
[16:28] <pitti> lots of script errors, but I guess these are being worked on?
[16:28] <marjo> pitti: i agree and thx on behalf of the qa team
[16:28] <marjo> pitti: ack
[16:28] <fader_> Minor suggestion: it might be nice to highlight failed cases a bit more (change the color of the number or the background of the table cell?)
[16:29] <pitti> marjo: can we link failures with bugs?
[16:29] <marjo> fader_ ack and thx
[16:29] <pitti> fader_ +1
[16:29] <marjo> pitti: have received similar suggestion from skaet
[16:29] <marjo> will consider both to make it easy to link failed tests directly to bug reports
[16:29] <skaet> marjo, is everything ready to start the testing  of the alpha1 images, the week after next?
[16:29] <jibel> pitti, thats mainly scripts that are not compatible with unity (app menu, indicators, ...) they need a rewrite.
[16:30] <pitti> jibel: ah, I see
[16:30] <marjo> skaet: yes, will be ready, mostly setting up iso tracker (that's SOP)
[16:30] <skaet> marjo, jibel:  cool.  :)
[16:31] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:31] <marjo> here's the QA Dashboard
[16:31] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~marjomercado/qadashboard.html
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~marjomercado/qadashboard.html
[16:32] <marjo> It's under development, so looking for feedback as always
[16:32] <marjo> skaet: that's it from QA team
[16:32]  * skaet looks around for hands...
[16:32] <marjo> thx all!
[16:33] <skaet> thanks marjo.
[16:33] <apw> skaet, ? hands for ?
[16:33] <charlie-tca> o/
[16:33] <skaet> raising hands for questions....  ;)
[16:33]  * charlie-tca raises hand
[16:33]  * apw looks stupid
[16:34] <skaet> charlie-tca, goahead, then we'll move on to Hardware Cert
[16:34] <charlie-tca> It seems like it is going to be hard to test alpha1 for accessibilty, since I don't have a good image to even complete a test case yet
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Is that something that was planned for alpha1 or 2?
[16:36] <dbarth> charlie-tca: do you mean with unity or the classic desktop?
[16:36] <marjo> charlie-tca: if necessary, can postpone to alpha-2
[16:36] <dbarth> unity won't have a11y support until a2
[16:36] <cjwatson> good image> what's the problem?
[16:36] <apw> in what way is the image not good ?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> either. Classic and unity are both failing right now
[16:36] <marjo> if functionality not there
[16:37] <charlie-tca> it doesn't install/login
[16:37] <cjwatson> period, or just with a11y?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Natty won't install with nvidia at all
[16:37] <cjwatson> anyone know if this is just a general problem?
[16:37] <cjwatson> I can try a kvm test today
[16:37] <apw> charlie-tca, bug number ?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> also won't login for most of us if we do get it to install
[16:38] <charlie-tca> duh
[16:38] <cjwatson> if the images are just entirely broken then obviously we need to fix that for a1
[16:38] <apw> cjwatson, i've booted but not installed the lives from a couple of days ago
[16:38] <charlie-tca> I don't have the bug number
[16:38] <pitti> cjwatson: yesterday's image just loops with X start in kvm, haven't had time to investigate yet
[16:38] <pitti> and I didn't try yet on real iron
[16:38] <apw> pitti, that is a kernel issue, and only affects kvm
[16:38] <apw> we have the fix committed for that
[16:38] <pitti> ah, cool
[16:38] <charlie-tca> I can get a desktop, but can not run the install. It fails everytime. I will run it again and get a bug for it
[16:39] <skaet> charlie-tca, cjwatson, apw - is Bug #661568 related?
[16:39] <tgardner> apw, should we respin natty rather then wait for -rc3 ?
[16:39] <charlie-tca> no
[16:39] <cjwatson> fixing kvm asap would be good, I do 95% of my development testing there
[16:39] <apw> tgardner, am now thinking i should yes, likely we'll get an -rc by monday
[16:39] <cjwatson> (though obviously not a whole lot just recently)
[16:39] <charlie-tca> My original question was a11y. Got that answer.
[16:40] <tgardner> apw, I can take care of it.
[16:40] <apw> tgardner, will push that today
[16:40] <skaet> okie.   Looks like it surfaced a bigger problem though... so thanks for raising ;)
[16:41] <skaet> moving on...
[16:41] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification  - victorp?
[16:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware Certification  - victorp?
[16:41] <victorp> yes
[16:41] <victorp> I guess I can give you a quick summary of what our plans are
[16:42] <skaet> :)
[16:42] <victorp> we plan to start doing *weekly* testing for Natty starting after alpha1
[16:42] <victorp> the reason for moving from daily to weekly is that we were not finding as many bugs as we should and we are going to concentrate on improving that
[16:43] <victorp> we are also doing SRU testing for maintenance releases so all of that needs to be juggle on the same lab time
[16:43] <victorp> we are creating a gcal to track what happens when
[16:43] <victorp> also we are trying to consolidate all our reporting into a generic hw-cert account on people.c.c
[16:44] <victorp> that is about it
[16:44] <victorp> ah yes, we will also do boot metrics
[16:44] <skaet> victorp, will you be doing a run with the candidate images, before Alpha1, - so we get a baseline with it?
[16:45] <victorp> skaet: we could, although I was expecting Alpha1 to be the baseline
[16:45] <victorp> we need some stability before we can do automated testing on large amount of systems
[16:46] <victorp> also - on the people side of things, Ara will be the lead
[16:46] <victorp> but she is travelling today
[16:46] <skaet> victorp,  it would be good to do a sample of them at least - so we know where we are and can warn folks if necessary.
[16:46] <victorp> skaet - everything is negotiable ;)
[16:46] <victorp> ok - if you believe there is value lets work together to schedule some
[16:47] <skaet> victorp,  :)    Thanks!
[16:47] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:47]  * skaet looks around for o/ s  ;)
[16:48] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security Team - jdstrand
[16:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security Team - jdstrand
[16:48] <jdstrand> o/
[16:48] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:48] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[16:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[16:48] <jdstrand> Our bps and work items should be up to date. With the exception of apparmor items, most of our work for this cycle came from bringing forward lucid and maverick bps that were postponed.
[16:49] <jdstrand> though apparmor did have several brought forward too...
[16:49] <jdstrand> Beyond that, there is not a lot to report. Kees is reworking the packaging on AppArmor and fixing various 2.6 bugs (this is part of our long term goal/hope to get apparmor in Debian). jjohansen and I are looking at ipc mediation and dbus confinement, and as a team we are getting to our merges and security fixes for natty.
[16:49] <skaet> thanks jdstrand.  :)
[16:49] <skaet> any questions?
[16:50] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel Team Update - apw
[16:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Team Update - apw
[16:50] <apw> o/
[16:50] <skaet> :)
[16:50] <apw> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[16:50] <apw> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:50] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-1.html
[16:50] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:50] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:50] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-1.html
[16:50] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:50] <apw> The burndown is still in flux as new work items are still appearing which is affecting the overall burndown line.  This should resolve in the next week.
[16:51] <apw> Of the bugs called out on the agenda the first is actually an ARM bug.  Of the remainder investigation is ongoing, fuller details are available on the status page (first link above); all seem to be limited to a small number of users.  The main distro blueprints are all at a very early stage but progress is being made, everything planned for natty-alpha-1 seems to be on track currently.
[16:51] <apw> The main distro kernel is now rebased forward to mainline v2.6.37-rc2 and uploaded.  Recent updates have re-enabled aufs support and the live-cds are now booting succesfully (at least for i386 and amd64).  Which ARM kernels we will have and at which versions are still in the air at this time.

[16:51] <skaet> apw,  thanks.   :)   will adjust the tracking of that first bug.
[16:52] <skaet> any questions?
[16:52] <ogra> that bug should also be whishlist ;)
[16:53] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations - cjwatson  ( see above log )
[16:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations - cjwatson  ( see above log )
[16:53] <ogra> (not a critical SRU task)
[16:53] <skaet> ogra, ack.
[16:54] <skaet> there were some questions on the foundation team's status already above.
[16:54] <davmor2> cjwatson: just to confirm charlie-tca issues on the installs. I left a note on #ubuntu-release last night,  for me plymouth doesn't seem to stop,  All I get is the Ubuntu and the dots below cycling.  If I drop into tty I can stop plymouth and manually start gdm but gdm doesn't appear.   I then ran out of time to do anything and have been too busy today
[16:56] <skaet> any other questions, comments?
[16:56] <skaet> moving on then...
[16:56] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team update - robbiew?
[16:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team update - robbiew?
[16:57] <robbiew> not much to update in this week
[16:57] <robbiew> sorting out blueprints
[16:57] <robbiew> mostly done there
[16:57] <robbiew> have prioritized
[16:57] <robbiew> but still need to finish up targeting to milestones
[16:57] <robbiew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/NattyBlueprints
[16:58] <skaet> thanks
[16:58] <robbiew> plan to work on a REAL status page for next time
[16:58] <robbiew> ;)
[16:58] <skaet> :)
[16:58] <skaet> any update on bug#600174?
[17:01] <cjwatson> 600174 looks like a server bug?
[17:01] <cjwatson> oh, sorry, we moved on to server already
[17:01] <skaet> :)
[17:01] <cjwatson> davmor2: thanks
[17:02] <skaet> any other questions for server team?
[17:02]  * skaet notes she needs to pick up pace... meeting running long.
[17:03] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team Update  - pitti?
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Team Update  - pitti?
[17:03] <pitti> Most blueprints are drafted, approved, and have proper WIs, except for:
[17:03] <pitti> - other-desktop-n-set-default-paper-size-correctly: Needs lots of research, will probably not make natty in its entirety
[17:03] <pitti> - appdevs-desktop-n-app-sandbox: Allison Randal's spec, just landed under the desktop umbrella, but not being worked on by the desktop team
[17:03] <pitti> - packageselection-desktop-n-donations-for-free-software-through-software-center: Being worked on by foundations and online services
[17:03] <pitti> We are on track for natty WIs so far.
[17:03] <pitti> Alpha-1 chart is a bit behind, but we expect to land the WIs in time still. This particularly affects the unification of desktop and netbook seeds/CDs, and landing the new compiz-based Unity (which is happening as we speak).
[17:03] <pitti> e already landed the new compiz 0.9, which broke everyone's configuration and key bindings, but will give us early feedback about hardware compatibility and performance.
[17:03] <pitti> On that front, I bootcharted compiz 0.9, and it's quite a bit faster than 0.8 (maverick) indeed, mostly due to not having to parse tons of XML.
[17:03] <pitti> ttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus has the details about the currently tracked RC bugs.
[17:03] <skaet> cool
[17:03] <pitti> sorry,
[17:04] <pitti> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[17:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[17:04] <pitti> Wrt. CD space savings, all planned package mangling stuff is in now, and reasonably working. On that front we mainly need package rebuilds now.
[17:04] <pitti> Perl elimination has turned out to be much harder than anticipated; first because it's against the spirit and letter of the Debian Perl policy, and also raised some discussion with upstream. Hardest problem here is apparmor-utils, which has a very long perl lib dependency chain. So let's not count on Perl removal in Natty, but I think the current optimizations should already get us quite far.
[17:04] <skaet> ok
[17:05] <skaet> any update on the bugs listed in the agenda?
[17:06] <pitti> skaet: they are in the wiki page
[17:06] <pitti> do you want me to paste?
[17:06] <pitti> there is nothing that stands out as a blocker or discussion worthy IMHO
[17:06] <skaet> pitti,  no need.   Will read up after the meeting.
[17:06] <skaet> just needed to know if blocker or discussion worthy ;)
[17:06] <skaet> thanks pitti
[17:07] <skaet> any other questions?
[17:07] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One Team
[17:07] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[17:07] <joshuahoover> no big news to share...details are in the link above...
[17:07] <joshuahoover> work on desktopcouch, choosing which folders to sync on each computer, and integration with zeigeist is all actively in-progress
[17:08] <joshuahoover> the other blueprints are either being finalized or are in queue to be worked on next
[17:08] <joshuahoover> our burndown charts will be fixed after today (need to create proper source tasks)
[17:08] <joshuahoover> that's about it
[17:08] <joshuahoover> any questions?
[17:08] <skaet> thanks joshuahoover :)
[17:08] <dbarth> joshuahoover: are you guys using libzg btw? ie know that it's moving to gdbus?
[17:09] <joshuahoover> dbarth: not sure, i'll have to check
[17:09] <dbarth> joshuahoover: get in touch with kamstrup, he'll tell you all about it
[17:09] <joshuahoover> dbarth: cool, thanks!
[17:09]  * skaet looks around for more questions...
[17:10] <skaet> ok, moving on...
[17:10] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu team update
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu team update
[17:10] <skaet> ScottK or Riddell - who's doing the honors?
[17:10] <Riddell>  * Qt 4.7.1 and QtWebKit 2.1 in
[17:10] <Riddell>  * ScottK still working on ARM workaround for Qt
[17:10] <Riddell>  * Experimentally swiched to gstreamer for phonon backend
[17:10] <Riddell>  * turned on Raster painting engine in Qt
[17:10] <Riddell>  * KDE SC 4.6 beta 1 due next week
[17:10] <Riddell>  * https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[17:11] <Riddell>  we fixed one problem with Qt on ARM but now there's another it seems
[17:11] <ScottK> Qt is fixed, but GCC is broken and it's Qt that suffers.
[17:12] <ogra> poor gcc everyone blames it :)
[17:13] <skaet> :)
[17:13] <skaet> thanks Riddell.  any questions?
[17:14] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience
[17:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience
[17:14] <dbarth> hi
[17:14] <skaet> hi
[17:14] <dbarth> The status report is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus
[17:14] <dbarth> the details are there but in general
[17:14] <dbarth> blueprints and milestones set in details for the next 2 iterations
[17:14] <dbarth> Unity landed today in Natty
[17:15] <skaet> cool.
[17:15] <dbarth> yeah :-)
[17:15] <dbarth> we're on track with the feature dev. to have all of the launcher and panel again with the compiz version
[17:15] <skaet> let the testing begin....
[17:15] <dbarth> try it out, you'll see how faster it is
[17:15] <dbarth> at the Unity Foundations level (aka Ayatana)
[17:15]  * ogra would like to see if it works with GLES :)
[17:16] <dbarth> the work on porting dbusmenu over to gdbus is almost finished
[17:16] <dbarth> libzg is ready; dee to follow
[17:16] <dbarth> ogra: yeah, again patches welcome
[17:16] <dbarth> last
[17:17] <dbarth> QA: we've connected the dots i think with the QA team
[17:17] <dbarth> and the integration of test plans and teams is going well
[17:17]  * ogra isnt a graphics developer else i would be in another team ;)
[17:17] <marjo> dbarth: ack & thx
[17:18] <dbarth> and on the HW front, we should do the same with victorp next week to make sure we track the compatibility of Unity on a wide range of machines
[17:18] <skaet> :)
[17:18] <skaet> thanks dbarth.     any questions?
[17:18] <dbarth> and we have tarmac and daily builds running now
[17:18]  * skaet oops...
[17:18] <dbarth> that's it for DX
[17:18] <dbarth> ;)
[17:19] <skaet> thanks dbarth,  sorry about being too quick there...
[17:19] <skaet> any questions?
[17:19] <dbarth> nw
[17:19] <skaet> [TOPIC] User Experience Team Update
[17:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  User Experience Team Update
[17:20]  * skaet looks around..  not sure we've got representation here....
[17:20] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team Update - ogra
[17:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team Update - ogra
[17:21] <ogra> wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[17:21] <ogra> the team was mostly busy with spec preparation and writing
[17:21] <ogra> OMAP4 daily images build again after Bug 674146 was worked around temporary
[17:21] <ogra> OMAP3 kernel status is not clear yet, while we would like to use linaros kernel, we need confirmation from kernel and security teams for 18 months support
[17:21] <ogra> Swork on SRU bugs has been done
[17:21] <ogra> The FTBFS list on qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs is full of KDE issues caused by Bug 673085 (thanks ScottK for working on a fix)
[17:21] <ogra> The dove architecture has officially been dropped out of official archive builds
[17:21] <ogra> image status:
[17:21] <ogra> they are building, not much QA has been done at this state of the release
[17:21] <ogra> specs:
[17:22] <ogra> Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html
[17:22] <ogra> A1: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm-natty-alpha-1.html
[17:22] <ogra> Bugs:
[17:22] <ogra> mainly SRU bugs we are working on
[17:22] <ogra> thats it :)
[17:23] <skaet> thanks ogra.  :)    questions?
[17:23] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU Team Update - ScottK
[17:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU Team Update - ScottK
[17:23] <ScottK> Hello
[17:23] <skaet> Hello
[17:24] <ScottK> Lots of enthusiasm about working on fixing stuff for the toolchain changes on Natty.
[17:24] <skaet> cool
[17:24] <ScottK> I think a number of people have their head around the no indirect linking changes and are helping others learn how to fix them.
[17:25] <skaet> that's nice to hear.
[17:25] <ScottK> I'm a bit concerned about the changes to -no-as-needed where order now matters in a way it didn't before.
[17:25] <ScottK> (sorry, I'm a bit fuzzy on the details myself)
[17:25] <skaet> I'm not sure I understand...
[17:25] <ScottK> It would be useful if someone who really understands the issue would write up a tutorial.
[17:26] <ScottK> There was another change added to linker behavior where it's pickier about the order now.
[17:26] <ScottK> cjwatson: can you help me here?
[17:26] <cjwatson> basically symbols are processed left-to-right
[17:27] <cjwatson> (traditional unix linker semantics)
[17:27] <ScottK> As is usual with gcc, it's just now enforcing what was always that "correct" way to do it, but a lot of sofware is buggy and I don't think people know how to deal with it.
[17:27] <cjwatson> if you have foo.c which uses symbols from libbar, then the link line needs to be foo.c -lbar not -lbar foo.c
[17:28] <ScottK> Yes.  That's the one.
[17:28] <cjwatson> doko did say that he might turn it off, but I think it would be good to leave it in place for a while
[17:28] <cjwatson> it's not as though the changes are making software worse
[17:28] <skaet> does it make sense to ask doko to do a write up, we can point folks to?
[17:28] <ScottK> It would be nice if someone who understands this well would write up a tutorial on it.
[17:29] <ScottK> cjwatson: I'm not arguing to turn it off at this point, I'd like to do what we can to broaden the set of people that can help fix things.
[17:30] <skaet> [ACTION] skaet - find someone to write up a tutorial on increasing strictness of linker and ways to fix it.
[17:30] <MootBot> ACTION received:  skaet - find someone to write up a tutorial on increasing strictness of linker and ways to fix it.
[17:31] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:31] <ScottK> That's all.
[17:31]  * skaet hmm,  should probably rephrase the action a bit more, but that's the jist.  ;)
[17:31] <skaet> thanks ScottK.
[17:31] <skaet> any questions?
[17:31] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro Update - JamieBennett?
[17:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Linaro Update - JamieBennett?
[17:32] <JamieBennett> All it quiet in Linaro land :)
[17:32] <skaet> congrats on getting the release out :)
[17:32] <JamieBennett> Thanks !
[17:32] <skaet> quiet is good.
[17:32] <JamieBennett> No images atm and lots of work on planning
[17:32] <skaet> when and where will your blueprints be available?
[17:33] <JamieBennett> They are spread over several projects, not ideal
[17:33] <cjwatson> skaet: http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking covers most of it, but the ordering issue needs to be added
[17:33] <JamieBennett> we are writing a tool to collate and show this information
[17:33] <skaet> cjwatson,  thanks!
[17:33] <JamieBennett> So lots of work-item-tracker changes are planned
[17:33] <cjwatson> doko: ^- could you make sure the ordering issue shows up in ToolChain/DSOLinking at some point?
[17:34] <skaet> JamieBennett, cool.   Looking forward to seeing the collated info.
[17:34] <JamieBennett> skaet: yeah, if the tracking stuff comes off soon, we should have some really good tools
[17:34] <skaet> excellent - bounce me a link, when you've got some prototypes.   :)
[17:35] <JamieBennett> will do
[17:35] <skaet> thanks JamieBennett.
[17:35] <skaet> any questions?
[17:35] <skaet> [TOPIC] open floor - new issues, questions, etc. ....
[17:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  open floor - new issues, questions, etc. ....
[17:36] <skaet> sorry all about the google calendar glitches.   Can anyone confirm for me, its now correct in Europe and UK?
[17:37]  * skaet looks around....
[17:37] <skaet> ok,   feels like this meeting should end then now.
[17:37] <pitti> if 1600 UTC is supposed to be the new meeting time, it looks correct to me now
[17:38] <skaet> thanks pitti.   yup,  thats what we were aiming for.
[17:38] <pitti> (but please let's move it back again in March, otherwise this will go too much into Friday evening)
[17:38] <skaet> pitti.   ok. will do.  :)
[17:38] <pitti> thanks everyone!
[17:38] <skaet> thanks everyone.
[17:38] <skaet> #endmeeting
[17:38] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:38.
[17:39] <skaet> thanks everyone.   Sorry it ran so late today.
[17:40] <marjo> thx skaet
[17:40] <skaet> thanks marjo
[17:41]  * skaet has put on her thinking cap, and will try to get this a little more efficient next time.
[17:41] <marjo> skaet: don't let the qa guy run on and on
[17:41] <skaet> lol
[17:42] <marjo> skaet: he likes to ask for feedback
[17:42] <skaet> :)
[17:43]  * skaet heading off for some lunch now...