[12:06] <Riddell> infinitezeros: why did you change the topic?
[12:06] <Hobbsee> allee: yes - it worked fine till i fubar'ed my install, and hence reinstalled
[12:07] <Hobbsee> now it's worked once, and i'm trying to get it to work again, but it seems very tempramental
[12:07] <allee> Hobbsee: ipw2200 driver?
[12:07] <infinitezeros> i didnt do it on purpose riddell.... im sorry its my irc client
[12:07] <infinitezeros> will try to set it right hold on
[12:07] <Hobbsee> allee: no, it's a netgear wg511 v2 card - works with ndiswrapper
[12:08] <Hobbsee> that better?
[12:08] <Riddell> thanks Hobbsee
[12:08] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:08] <infinitezeros> thanks hobbsee
[12:09] <Hobbsee> :) no problems
[12:09] <allee> Hobbsee: mhmm, okay. I have to rmmod/modprobe ipw2200 when I use wpa.
[12:09] <Hobbsee> allee: i tried out the 0.11rc1 version of ndiswrapper, or whatever it is - not sure if that's the problem.  but i'm very tempted to get knetworkmanager from cvs and try that as well - kwifimanager has a tendancy to lie!
[12:10] <Riddell> I don't think knetworkmanager is in CVS
[12:10] <Hobbsee> ah ok - i had it working, until i cancelled out of the wpa test thing, which you're supposed to be able to do
[12:10] <Hobbsee> i thought that's how you'd said you'd gotten it...
[12:11] <sebas> BTW, the guidance team just showed that it took _only_ten_minutes_ from bugreport to '
[12:11] <sebas> fix is in svn'. :-)
[12:11] <Hobbsee> wow!
[12:11] <Riddell> I should have reported it to bugs.kde.org, then you would have made the stats :)
[12:11] <sebas> Heh :>
[12:11] <sebas> Next time then.
[12:11] <sebas> Are playground bugs valid?
[12:11] <Riddell> sure
[12:12] <luka74> allee: did you try hwcrypto=0 option - it helped me on ipw2200
[12:12] <sebas> Aye!
[12:13] <allee> luka74: no. But I'll try on time.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> testing...
[12:13] <Riddell> so new release of guidance or shall I patch?
[12:16] <sebas> A patch is fine, I guess.
[12:16] <sebas> It's otherwise really only that space.
[12:16] <Riddell> ok, will do
[12:16] <sebas> +single
[12:16] <Riddell> tomorrow though, bedtime now
[12:16] <sebas> And we've got it in svn already too.
[12:16] <sebas> Ok.
[12:16] <sebas> Sleep well (here too).
[12:19] <Hobbsee_> heh night sebas and Riddell
[12:19] <Hobbsee_> hi Mez
[12:20] <Mez> hey Sarah
[12:24] <Hobbsee> hmm...newer version of wpa supplicant here...
[12:28] <Hobbsee> ping?
[12:40] <Mez> pinging me ?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> was trying to see if my network connection was there at all.  if i was pinging you, i'd say Mez: ping
[02:45] <freeflying> Hobbsee: hi
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying :)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> done :)
[03:33] <freeflying> Hobbsee: where?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto
[03:34] <Hobbsee> freeflying: ^
[03:34] <Hobbsee> oh crud!  i'd forgotten about the kubuntu meeting hehe!
[03:35] <freeflying> Hobbsee: cool , I'd translate it into Chinese
[03:35] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> you can
[03:35] <freeflying> Hobbsee: meeting?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> see /topic or fridge.ubuntu.com
[07:53] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[08:31] <mornfall> hmm, anyone with an idea why is libapt-front still in dep-wait?
[08:32] <mornfall> blocked by ia64?
[08:48] <freeflying> I need package more packages ,anyone will give me advice
[09:01] <freeflying> Hobbsee: it's quite early for me .  :)
[09:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:01] <Hobbsee> 4am or something?
[09:02] <freeflying> Hobbsee: y, 4:00 AM
[09:02] <Hobbsee> ycuk
[09:02] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:02] <jsgotangco> :/
[10:06] <Tonio_> heya
[10:18] <hunger> please move the kde-guidance displayhw script to later in the bootup sequence (see #32268).
[11:05] <raphink> nope
[11:05] <raphink> oops
[11:08] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[11:09] <viviersf> Riddell, hello, i have to remember what i wanted to ask :/
[11:11] <Riddell> mornfall: libapt-front is fine but adept tried to build before libapt-front was compiled
[11:12] <mornfall> Riddell: libapt-front is failed on ia64 (says launchpad)
[11:12] <mornfall> possibly due to tagcoll being b0rked on the arch
[11:14] <Riddell> mornfall: ia64 is just broken like that
[11:14] <mornfall> aha
[11:16] <Riddell> hmm no, it is due to broken tagcoll
[11:18] <mornfall> right, i meant why is ept in dep-wait
[11:20] <Riddell> just because it tried to build before libapt-front was done
[11:20] <Riddell> we'll need to wait for infinity to wake up to ask for it to be given back
[11:20] <seaLne> didn't kdevelop used to have licenses in it so you could select GPL from the new project wizzard?
[11:20] <mornfall> ahum
[11:20] <mornfall> okey
[11:20] <Riddell> seaLne: sounds about right
[11:21] <Riddell> seaLne: could be another case of the kdevelop->kdevelop3 rename breaking things
[11:22] <seaLne> cause it means you end up with no license automatically inserted and have to edit every file manually
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: netswitch is packaged, I'm currently packaging gnetswitch, and I should get a tarball for knetswitch today
[11:38] <Riddell> cool
[11:38] <Riddell> these fonts do look big now with the DPI set
[11:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: kubuntu-default-settings will set all fonts to 9 by defualt
[11:39] <Tonio_> 8 or 9 depending
[11:39] <Tonio_> but the actual default for you is 12 I think no ?
[11:39] <Tonio_> I think 9 is a good compromise, but I personnaly prefer 8, what do you think ?
[11:39] <Riddell> 11 I think
[11:39] <Tonio_> 11 by default ??????
[11:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: any idea what gnome uses?  would be good to do the same
[11:39] <Tonio_> gnome is 9 I think
[11:40] <Tonio_> and 10 for rare things
[11:41] <Tonio_> osx and windows are the equivalent of 9 and 8 respectively
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png
[11:44] <Tonio_> that's 9 and I can confirm I have exactly the same size with gnome
[11:46] <seaLne> in ubuntu is there any similar concept to /etc/rc.local ie a way of things getting run at startup without aving to write init scripts??
[11:46] <Riddell> looks nice
[11:47] <Riddell> seaLne: I don't think so (could well be wrong)
[11:48] <seaLne> yeah, bah
[11:49] <seaLne> hmm /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[11:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm correcting the amarokrc today and will send you the kubuntu-default-settings package tomorrow
[11:51] <Riddell> hunger: when does /usr become available?
[11:53] <seaLne> Riddell: a proper way seems to be placing scripts in /etc/rc.boot
[12:28] <Riddell> _Sime: I'll change displayconfig-hwprobe.py to S37, so it's after mountall
[12:49] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[12:49] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell
[12:50] <Riddell> you should add a list of package you've touched to your wiki page
[12:50] <Riddell> packages
[12:50] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[12:50] <Hobbsee> *tries to remember what they are*
[12:54] <Hobbsee> ah ha!  now i'm remembering them
[12:55] <_Sime> Riddell: good
[12:59] <Hobbsee> updated :)
[01:15] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[01:16] <Riddell> hi freeflying
[01:16] <freeflying> Riddell: you have uploaded qt?
[01:18] <Riddell> freeflying: yes
[01:20] <freeflying> Riddell: I prepare apply for devel membership , will u give me any advice
[01:21] <Riddell> freeflying: the guy who reported that kde crashed on logout said the new qt fixed it so looks like those patches do the stuff
[01:22] <freeflying> Riddell: yeah, but after kde-3.5.1, i've not experienced that crash
[01:23] <Riddell> freeflying: your packages often need some corrections, I'm not sure if you should go for devel membership yet, dunno
[01:23] <freeflying> Riddell: so I need more experience :)
[01:30] <hunger> Any estimation on when kubuntu will suspend again?
[01:44] <hunger> doko: Worked for me.
[01:44] <hunger> doko: Was awfully slow for the last couple of min though.
[01:50] <luka74> Riddell: another issue with new kpowersave - it wants to remove powernowd
[01:50] <luka74> but powernowd is needed by *ubuntu-desktop :-(
[01:51] <luka74> (this is with 0.5.7 packages I was trying to repackage from debian)
[01:52] <hunger> luka74: maybe they can remove that in ubuntu-devel, too. They use gnome-power-manager now which at least offers a gui to config it.
[01:54] <luka74> it looks like I will need to install Ubuntu once - just to understand how it works.. ;-)
[01:54] <hunger> luka74: Pretty well wrt. power management.
[01:54] <hunger> luka74: it is gnome though... so the other apps suck.
[01:55] <luka74> the problem is the kpowersave has so many features that steps on Ubuntu implementation...
[01:56] <Riddell> luka74: yeah, that's why I want to strip out all those features and just use the ubuntu ones :)
[01:56] <hunger> kpowersave looks really good.
[01:56] <luka74> that seems to be getting harder and harder with each release of kpowersave
[01:57] <luka74> Riddell: have you see another forwarded e-mail - it seems that there are just two incompatible views
[01:57] <luka74> on how PM should be implemented
[01:57] <hunger> And it does not want my laptop to suspend to RAM
[01:58] <Riddell> hunger: if pmi is failing I think your problem is with the ubuntu scripts, not KDE
[01:58] <Riddell> well, could be linux, not just the scripts of course
[01:58] <hunger> Riddell: /etc/acpi/sleep.sh works fine.
[01:59] <hunger> Riddell: acpid recognizes the suspend button, too.
[01:59] <Riddell> hunger: and pmi?
[02:06] <hunger> Riddell: pmi action suspend does a suspend/resume cycle (as does pmi action hibernate).
[02:06] <hunger> Riddell: The box does not stay down.
[02:07] <hunger> Riddell: The same happens nowadays with /etc/acpi/sleep.sh:-(
[02:07] <hunger> Riddell: So this no longer is a kubuntu issue.
[02:21] <hunger> Tonio_: Plus the decissions reached will be documented, so we do not need to repeat the discussions all the time.~.
[02:21] <hunger> Sorry for that!
[02:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: now that moodin is in main you can add the kubuntu moodin splash and kdm theme to k-d-s
[02:22] <Riddell> if you haven't already
[02:28] <viviersf> what moodin ?
[02:28] <viviersf> *whats
[02:30] <Tonio_> hunger, Riddell : it is done for a month at least ;)
[02:31] <Tonio_> hunger: what's the problem ? sorry but I missed something I think ;)
[02:32] <robotgeek> hey Tonio_ Riddell
[02:33] <Tonio_> robotgeek: ?
[02:34] <robotgeek> hey Tonio_ , just saying hi
[02:35] <Tonio_> ah okay...... sorry but I'm actually between 10 things........ my brain doesn't follow correctly ;)
[02:35] <robotgeek> Tonio_: sorry to disturb, just could not resist!
[02:35] <Tonio_> ;)
[02:43] <Riddell> viviersf: a fancy splashs screen for KDE
[03:59] <allee> Riddell: your guidance commit. changelog says 35, but in diff 18 is replace by 37.  I hope the changelog is wrong ;)
[04:01] <Riddell> it should be 37
[04:01] <Riddell> yeah, my mistake, but no harm done
[04:06] <jpatrick> Tonio_: ping
[04:23] <jpatrick> me
[04:23] <freeflying> jpatrick: cool.thx
[04:23] <jpatrick> where is it?
[04:23] <freeflying> revu
[04:24] <jpatrick> well. which one?
[04:34] <jpatrick> Riddell: can you appect http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1917 ?
[04:53] <jpatrick> hello jjesse
[04:58] <jjesse> hello jpatrick
[05:14] <Tonio_> jpatrick: pong
[05:14] <Tonio_> sorry to be so late ;)
[05:14] <Tonio_> crazy day for me
[05:14] <jpatrick> Tonio_: no problem
[05:14] <Tonio_> jpatrick: did you upload kleansweep finally ?
[05:15] <jpatrick> Tonio_: just wanted you to know, you are cleared to upload kleansweep
[05:15] <Tonio_> hum
[05:15] <Tonio_> I don't like to upload my own stuff ;)
[05:15] <Tonio_> but I will lol
[05:17] <jpatrick> Tonio_: it's fun ;-)
[05:17] <Tonio_> uploaded
[05:17] <jpatrick> you'll get an email...
[05:17] <Tonio_> good ;) I really wanted kleansweep in ubuntu, it's a very very good application
[05:18] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I already uploaded stuff, just that in my vision, my stuff should be uploaded by the latest approving motu ;)
[05:18] <Tonio_> strange to upload own stuff
[05:18] <jpatrick> can you look at kwin-style-crystal?
[05:19] <jpatrick> latest improving motu?
[05:20] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I will in a few minutes yes
[05:24] <Tonio_> jpatrick: kwin-style-crystal is nice according to the debian folder
[05:24] <Tonio_> but I'm not fine with those cpp files without any licence information
[05:24] <Tonio_> that's a major issue, because it make those sources not GPL
[05:25] <Tonio_> I can't put a YES on that..... you should contact the upstream to get a corrected tarball, and then you'll get a yes immediatly
[05:25] <jpatrick> too bad FF is tommorrow...
[05:25] <Tonio_> I know..........
[05:25] <jpatrick> can't we upload?
[05:28] <jpatrick> how about kautoclick?
[05:45] <Tonio_> jpatrick: need confirmation, but personally I would advocate this....
[05:45] <Tonio_> a licence issue isn't a small one
[05:45] <jpatrick> it's GPL on kde-look.org :)
[05:47] <Tonio_> yes bt the only legal way to gpl a source is to put the licence info in the source files I think........
[05:47] <Tonio_> even the copying file isn't enought
[05:47] <Tonio_> I'm looking at kautoclick
[05:48] <jpatrick> :/ ok, I'll ask someone else
[05:50] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I'm sorry with this, but I need to sure on that point what to do....
[05:50] <Tonio_> jpatrick: looking a kautoclick
[05:51] <Tonio_> what 's on the bottom of the copyright file ?
[05:51] <Tonio_> "This manual page.........."
[05:51] <jpatrick> was written by me
[05:52] <Tonio_> I know that :)
[05:52] <Tonio_> but why putting that in copyright ?
[05:53] <Tonio_> but okay, that's not an error
[05:53] <jpatrick> because it's under my copyright?
[05:53] <Tonio_> the package looks nice ;)
[05:53] <jpatrick> :)
[05:54] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I'm building, but that sounds nice :)
[05:54] <Tonio_> just that the copyright file could be a bit more "clear"
[05:54] <Tonio_> just puting the copyright info for the man and a Licence section concerning "the all application and debian/bla.docbook"
[05:54] <Tonio_> for example
[05:55] <jpatrick> I copied what was at the end of debian/kautoclick.1.docbook
[05:56] <Tonio_> I know ;) just that it is not necessary, but anyway, all infos are here, so the copyright is valid
[06:00] <Tonio_> jpatrick: advocated
[06:00] <jpatrick> yay!
[06:01] <Tonio_> I just added a little comment concerning the copyright file, which could be more clear in my view
[06:02] <Tonio_> jpatrick: hum........ I lost that ! the man page isn't cleaned at the end of build....
[06:02] <jpatrick> what? it's in clean::
[06:03] <Tonio_> clean/kautoclick::
[06:03] <Tonio_> 	rm -f kautoclick.1
[06:03] <Tonio_> it is in oups
[06:03] <Tonio_> doesn't work for me
[06:03] <Tonio_> clean:: might work
[06:03] <Tonio_> that's not a big issue, but for future package ;)
[06:03] <Tonio_> I always use clean::
[06:08] <jpatrick> right, reuploaded
[06:08] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I just modified my comment also, there is still a little problem I missed concerning the .desktop file
[06:09] <Tonio_> it is important to patch the .desktop file, adding GenericName and install it in XDG directory
[06:09] <Tonio_> I revued too fast... sorry
[06:11] <jpatrick> usr/share/applications/kde ?
[06:11] <Tonio_> yep
[06:12] <Tonio_> and the .desktop requires "GenericName" and "Categories" at least
[06:12] <jpatrick> I'm doing that :)
[06:12] <Tonio_> thanks :)
[06:12] <Tonio_> with that done, I will ad a YES, no pb, the package is very nice apart from taht
[06:23] <jpatrick> Tonio_: oKay, finished (I think)
[06:24] <Tonio_> is it on revu ?
[06:24] <jpatrick> yes
[06:24] <Tonio_> let me check
[06:26] <Tonio_> jpatrick: okay for the clean section, just build and it is removed
[06:26] <Tonio_> jpatrick: what about the .desktop file ? I don't see any install directive on rules and no patch
[06:27] <jpatrick> it hasn't updated yet :s
[06:27] <Tonio_> ah okay ;)
[06:27] <jpatrick> ok now
[06:28] <Tonio_> jpatrick: the .desktop file still misses Categories
[06:28] <jpatrick> d'oh
[06:29] <Tonio_> that's important because this is what defines where will the icon go in the K menu ;)
[06:29] <jpatrick> "Categories=Qt;KDE;"
[06:29] <Tonio_> also, the GenericName is what appears in the K menu nearby the application name
[06:29] <Tonio_> so the description is supposed to give a very short descrtive of the application
[06:30] <Tonio_> for example : Adept (Package Manager)
[06:30] <Tonio_> means that GenericName is set to "Package Manager"
[06:30] <Tonio_> otherwise, the entry in the K menu will be a bit crapy
[06:30] <Tonio_> that's all, the package is very clean ;)
[06:30] <jpatrick> :)
[06:31] <Tonio_> sorry for bugging you with this, but the .desktop is very important, because you see it's content directly in the K menu
[06:32] <jpatrick> yep
[06:40] <jpatrick> Tonio_: ok, I've finished
[06:41] <Tonio_> jpatrick: cool ;)
[06:43] <jpatrick> oh finally, kcontrol-kdmtheme got in
[06:46] <Tonio_> jpatrick: 2 patches named kubuntu_01
[06:46] <Tonio_> and concerning the .desktop :
[06:46] <Tonio_> s/Categories=Qt;KDE;/Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility;
[06:47] <Tonio_> that'll make it go in the Utilities section of the K menu
[06:47] <Tonio_> also, s/GenericName=A simple KDE Application/GenericName=Task Automation
[06:48] <jpatrick> what about the i18n's?
[06:48] <Tonio_> because I don't think seeying "Kautoclick (A simple KDE Application)" in the K menu is nice
[06:48] <Tonio_> hum
[06:48] <Tonio_> yes, that's a problem, and what I do is generally add GenericName and GenericName[fr]
[06:49] <Tonio_> then send the patch to upstream
[06:49] <Tonio_> I don't another solution
[06:49] <jpatrick> brb - supper
[06:49] <Tonio_> I don't <have>
[06:49] <Tonio_> the problem is that a generic comment like "A simple KDE Application" will make the K menu crappy.......
[06:50] <Tonio_> if you look at kde stuff, you will see they have all languages directly in the .desktop file
[06:58] <Tonio_> hunger: ping ?
[06:58] <hunger> Tonio_: Yes?
[06:58] <Tonio_> hunger: I didn't understood your comment at 14:21 ;)
[06:59] <hunger> Tonio_: If it is about that thing I said earlier with your name in front: forget it.
[06:59] <Tonio_> yes, I just wanted to understand :)
[06:59] <Tonio_> okay, no pb
[06:59] <hunger> Tonio_: I was sending ssh-escapes to recover a stuck session and somehow those got bitchx to do something on the other end of the seemingly dead line:-(
[07:00] <Tonio_> hunger: totally agree ;)
[07:01] <hunger> Is that going to get used for kubuntu?
[07:01] <Tonio_> hunger: I would personally hope, but well, that can be complicated cause there is already ubuntu stuff on that point
[07:02] <Tonio_> but according to my tests, kpowersave is really interesting
[07:02] <hunger> Tonio_: That is fine for gnome...
[07:02] <Tonio_> maybe for dapper+1
[07:02] <Tonio_> are they using it actually ?
[07:02] <hunger> Tonio_: But breaking kubuntu for that is not nice:-(
[07:02] <Tonio_> yes
[07:02] <hunger> Tonio_: Yes. ubuntu-desktop is using it.
[07:03] <Tonio_> anyway, we may discuss that at tomorrow's meeting :)
[07:03] <Tonio_> not for daper, but could be interesting for dapper+1 maybe
[07:03] <Tonio_> and what about ubuntu's gnome
[07:04] <Tonio_> is powersave used actually ?
[07:04] <hunger> Tonio_: I use it (as far as possible in KDE).
[07:04] <hunger> Tonio_: Worked better in breezy...
[07:04] <Tonio_> Ididn't test it on dapper, only breezy ;)
[07:05] <hunger> Tonio_: dapper's kernel breaks ksysguard's reporting of cpu frequency, etc.
[07:05] <Tonio_> argh
[07:06] <Tonio_> is that due to .15 version of the kernel, or is that specific to ubuntu ?
[07:06] <hunger> Tonio_: I did even try to switch to gnome since things work better there... but then I ended up very depressed trying to configure gnome.
[07:06] <hunger> Tonio_: From what I understand it is an issue with kernels > 2.6.14.
[07:06] <Tonio_> it'll be fixed with the next version of kde then
[07:07] <Tonio_> we just have to wait
[07:07] <hunger> Tonio_: ksysguard checks some file in /proc...
[07:07] <hunger> Tonio_: I do not believe in that yet.
[07:07] <hunger> Tonio_: Ksysguard is serioulsy lacking love for AGES now.
[07:09] <Tonio_> hunger: that'll not be a problem with kde4
[07:09] <Tonio_> but till then........
[07:09] <hunger> Tonio_: Yes... KDE4 is the promissed land... :-)
[07:10] <Tonio_> hehe
[07:11] <hunger> Tonio_: ... and if they really are going to switch to dbus in favour of dcop then I'll be happy if it does not crash too often.
[07:13] <Tonio_> hehe
[07:13] <Tonio_> the only problem with kde4 is that it is supposed to be so perfect and developped so quickly that I just wonder "I on earth are they gonna do ???"
[07:13] <Tonio_> s/I/how
[07:14] <hunger> Tonio_: They won't:-)
[07:14] <Tonio_> hunger: possible, yes
[07:14] <hunger> Tonio_: It will be a huge mess, like all mayor version changes.
[07:15] <hunger> If dapper somehow manages to get stable till april then I'll stick with that till kde 4.1 (or downgrade to breezy).
[07:15] <Tonio_> hunger: I really hope we're wrong, but I think that inevitable
[07:16] <hunger> Tonio_: I do hope, too... and my curiousity will kill me anyway... I'll probably end up with beta versions of the beast (in spite of what I just said).
[07:16] <Tonio_> hehe
[07:17] <Tonio_> hunger: I have to let you, going back home
[07:17] <jjesse> are you really having that many issues with dapper?
[07:17] <hunger> Tonio_: I claimed to not switch to dapper before it went stable... and here I am.
[07:17] <hunger> Tonio_: Bye.
[07:18] <hunger> jjesse: At the moment I have serious regressions and nothing I am euphoric about.
[07:18] <jjesse> hunger i really have had no problems except of my own causing :)
[07:18] <hunger> jjesse: Things like shutdown causing a hang of the system, suspend broken, etc. make the system hardly useable.
[07:19] <hunger> jjesse: I can not exclude that those problems are of my own making either.
[07:19] <hunger> jjesse: But I'm pretty certain they are not;-)
[07:19] <jjesse> hunger: ive run it on old hard ware and on vir=tual machines
[07:19] <jjesse> it runs just as stable for me as breezy
[07:19] <hunger> jjesse: This laptop is about 1yr old... not brand new either.
[07:20] <jjesse> my laptop is a dell inspiron 5150
[07:20] <hunger> jjesse: Thinkpad T43p.
[07:20] <hunger> BBL.
[07:42] <jpatrick> moodin in main!!!
[07:42] <robotgeek> yay! awesome!
[07:45] <jjesse> is the new adept installer a part of flight4? or not in yet?
[07:46] <mornfall> probably not in
[07:46] <mornfall> considering it wasn't even built today morning
[07:46] <jjesse> d'oh jumped the gun :)
[07:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes, just get me to upload
[07:46] <jpatrick> okay, sir
[07:47] <mornfall> jjesse: it is built now though (mod ia64)
[07:47] <mornfall> not on my mirror yet tho
[07:47] <jjesse> wow why is cdimage so slow :( :(
[07:48] <jpatrick> jjesse: lots of people?
[07:48] <jjesse> are there  local mirrors/
[07:48] <mornfall> jigdo++
[07:49] <jpatrick> Riddell: can you advocate kautoclick ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1922 ) Tonio_'s not around any more...
[08:02] <jpatrick> hello kmon
[08:02] <kmon> hello jpatrick
[08:02] <kmon> thanxs for packaging kdm theme manager ;)
[08:02] <jpatrick> it's in dapper now
[08:02] <kmon> yep
[08:03] <kmon> just read the mail sent to the list
[08:03] <jpatrick> :-)
[08:05] <kmon> http://kubuntu-es.org/ is down
[08:05] <jpatrick> I know
[08:05] <kmon> I know ;)
[08:07] <kmon> Is there any wiki page for kubuntu suggestions for feature releases? I've found a page named kubuntu comments, but I don't know if devs read it...
[08:10] <Riddell> the wiki pages need their six monthly tidy up at some point
[08:10] <Riddell> kmon: please start a page KubuntuDapperPlusOneIdeas
[08:10] <Riddell> link to it from Kubuntu
[08:16] <jjesse> feature freeze is comming up soon? so i can lock in changes to docs?
[08:17] <jpatrick> jjesse: that's doc freeze (I think)
[08:17] <jjesse> doc freeze is in march?
[08:17] <robotgeek> yup, march 23'rd or so?
[08:17] <jpatrick> hey Tonio_
[08:17] <Tonio_> hi
[08:17] <Tonio_> jpatrick: can I revu again ?
[08:18] <jpatrick> Tonio_: yes
[08:18] <Tonio_> okay, ;)
[08:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: done
[08:26] <Tonio_> jpatrick: few modifications on the .desktop, not obvious, but nicer I think
[08:27] <Tonio_> those .desktop with generic information result a dirty K menu....
[08:27] <Tonio_> I prefer en good english information than a french generic "a simple kde application"
[08:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm packaging knetswitch
[08:28] <Tonio_> but unfortunately, I have nothing to test
[08:28] <Tonio_> and I will not be there tomorrow
[08:28] <Tonio_> I will simply upload on revu and hope all is nice
[08:29] <jpatrick> so what's french for task automation?
[08:31] <Tonio_> it is written on the comment :)
[08:31] <Tonio_> Automatisation de Tches
[08:32] <Tonio_> not required, but would be nice :)
[08:32] <kmon> Ok. I'm finishing the inital draft of the page
[08:32] <kmon> :)
[08:33] <kmon> I've made diferent sections depending on the mayor features of kubuntu (system settings, guidance, desktop and adept.)
[08:34] <kmon> I've name it kubutuFeratureIdeas since it could be a place for discussing goals for dapper+1 +2 ... etc. I don't know if I'm mising something else...
[08:34] <kmon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeatureIdeas
[08:35] <kmon> It's properly linked from main kubutu wiki page.
[08:35] <kmon> I hope you like it, I've added some initial ideas so the page doesn't look to dull.
[08:36] <jpatrick> did you mean Future?
[08:36] <kmon> Sorry if there are mistakes, but english is not my native english
[08:36] <kmon> languahe
[08:36] <kmon> errr
[08:36] <kmon> language
[08:36] <jpatrick> no pasa nada
[08:36] <kmon> yes
[08:37] <kmon> do'h
[08:37] <kmon> how do I change the name of the page?
[08:37] <jpatrick> yo se lo que es apprendre una lengua sin saber nada al principio
[08:38] <kmon> ok
[08:38] <kmon> fixed
[08:39] <kmon> (my problem is that I'm forgeting english... I used to have a pretty good knowledge of it)
[08:39] <jpatrick> how do I fixed this kdepot thing?
[08:40] <kmon> Ok. It's done, the page is now here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFutureIdeas
[08:41] <jpatrick> kmon: we have Keep for a backup tool
[08:41] <jpatrick> kmon: and for cron there's kcron
[08:41] <kmon> but they aren't included in the main installation
[08:42] <jpatrick> I think Keep is
[08:42] <kmon> do you want to remove them?
[08:42] <kmon> me
[08:42] <kmon> do you want me to remove them?
[08:43] <jpatrick> since they're there, you could
[08:44] <Riddell> kcron is a bit dated
[08:44] <Riddell> Keep has been added very recently
[08:44] <Riddell> kmon: just add notes
[08:45] <kmon> I've added a comment to those entries saying keep and kcron already are in the distro.
[08:47] <Riddell> toma: new rsibreak tonight?
[08:47] <toma> yes, the tarball is ready, and the debian folder as well, just waiting for allee now.
[08:48] <allee> toma: working on it ;)
[08:58] <jpatrick> Tonio_: reuploaded
[08:59] <Tonio_> jpa great ;)
[09:00] <luka74> kmon: I have added some suggestions for laptop support
[09:00] <kmon> luka74: great!
[09:01] <kmon> now we need some developers to do it ;)
[09:01] <luka74> I am wondering if so-called Win key could be better utilized by default
[09:03] <jpatrick> Alt-F1
[09:03] <luka74> I do not want to mimic other operating systems, but just to use this real estate ;-)
[09:04] <kmon> I use win+tab to launch kompose
[09:05] <luka74> Global shortcuts where initial letters would indicate function (WIn+S for Kat search, Win+M for maximize...)
[09:06] <luka74> kompose
[09:10] <kmon> time to leave...
[09:10] <kmon> good bye
[09:10] <luka74> bye kmon
[09:12] <Tonio_> jpatrick: advocated :)
[09:12] <jpatrick> (finally)
[09:12] <jpatrick> ;-)
[09:12] <Tonio_> jpatrick: but you didn't remove the generic "a simple kde application" informations for other language ;)
[09:12] <jpatrick> now to find someone else
[09:12] <Tonio_> that's a personnal point of view, it is not a reason not to accept a package
[09:13] <Tonio_> but if I were italian, I wouldn't like that entry ;)
[09:13] <jpatrick> better than seeing english...
[09:14] <jpatrick> I'll remove them
[09:15] <Tonio_> jpatrick: that's not a requirement
[09:15] <Tonio_> well I prefer a correct information in english that a generic in the good language that doesn't mean anything, no ?
[09:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee!
[09:15] <jpatrick> hey hey Hobbsee !
[09:15] <Tonio_> but as I say, that is absolutly not required, ust a personnal opinion :)
[09:16] <Riddell> they're still on the non-member bits of the agenda
[09:16] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!
[09:16] <Hobbsee> oh good
[09:16] <jpatrick> all for Hobbsee and robotgeek
[09:16] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:16] <Tm_T> ?
[09:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploading netswitch, gnetswitch and knetswitch on revu
[09:16] <Tm_T> what?
[09:16] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: phew, just in time!
[09:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, will take a look
[09:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: Unfortunately I can't test, cause my internet access is broken
[09:16] <Riddell> everyone go to #ubuntu-meeting to cheer on Hobbsee :)
[09:17] <Tonio_> and I will not be there tomorrow
[09:17] <jpatrick> and robotgeek
[09:17] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[09:17] <Tonio_> I'm gonna be disconnected in 5 minutes...........
[09:17] <Riddell> and robotgeek :)
[09:17] <robotgeek> :)
[09:17] <jpatrick> can I upload kautoclick?
[09:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: what happens in 5 mins?
[09:17] <Riddell> jpatrick: did you fix my comment?
[09:18] <jpatrick> well not the kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff one :(
[09:18] <Tonio_> my neightborhood disconnects his wifi than I use temporary.........
[09:18] <Tonio_> stupid French telecom..........
[09:19] <Tonio_> I too at home, but french telecom has cut my access by error, and it'll take about 1 days for them to repair...........
[09:20] <jpatrick> but I did the rest
[09:21] <Hobbsee> ...please dont tell me that what i'm seeing is true...
[09:22] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: heh
[09:22] <robotgeek> it's true
[09:22] <Hobbsee> it cant be...
[09:22] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: what?
[09:22] <Hobbsee> really
[09:22] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: one word:  sorush20
[09:22] <jpatrick> oh bollocking hell
[09:22] <jpatrick> (sorry)
[09:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:22] <jjesse> whats wrong about sorush20?
[09:22] <jpatrick> but that guy's annoying
[09:23] <Hobbsee> jjesse: you've never seen how that guy behaves in meetings?
[09:23] <jpatrick> jjesse: kubuntu meeting he put us off
[09:23] <jjesse> i missed most of the last kubuntu meeting
[09:23] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: look at the logs, that's not the only time he's tried
[09:23] <jpatrick> we'll flood us to death
[09:24] <jpatrick> he*
[09:27] <jpatrick> bye Tonio_ ...
[09:27] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: if it's sorush20, we'll kick him out
[09:27] <Hobbsee> hehe *waves to the remnant of Tonio_*
[09:28] <Hobbsee> no, this is just because of it being too early in the morning, and lack of food, nothing unusual, and i'll find some breakfast to eat durign the meeting tomorrow
[09:28] <Hobbsee> but that's probably a good idea hehe :P
[09:32] <jpatrick> we should ask if we can add "*@ubuntu/member/*" to the lists...
[09:32] <Hobbsee> in which lists?
[09:32] <Hobbsee> *is confused*
[09:32] <jpatrick> op lists
[09:32] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[09:33] <Hobbsee> that's probably a decent idea actually
[09:33] <jpatrick> probably too late to add to agenda now
[09:35] <Riddell> jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py
[09:36] <jpatrick> does not applty because it's not there :/
[09:37] <jpatrick> s/applty/apply
[09:37] <Riddell> yes it is
[09:37] <_Sime> how can I remove a package and ignore dependances? (i.e. I don't want the dependant packages to be removed too?)
[09:38] <jpatrick> not on 1924
[09:38] <jpatrick> ah kautoclick one
[09:39] <Hobbsee> _Sime: apt-get remove package?
[09:39] <Hobbsee> apt-get doesnt remove the dependancies, IIRC
[09:39] <_Sime> Hobbsee: yeah, but that will also remove kde-desktop.
[09:39] <_Sime> oh
[09:39] <Tm_T> blah! https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-February/006634.html
[09:39] <Tm_T> why I don't find that package
[09:39] <Hobbsee> well, yeah...
[09:40] <_Sime> Hobbsee: you were right, it only uninstalled the kde-desktop meta-package. :-)
[09:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:41] <_Sime> cool, I just kicked out my old self-made test .deb.
[09:41] <jpatrick> Tm_T: nah, it's GTK :P
[09:42] <Tm_T> jpatrick: still I wanted to test it
[09:42] <jpatrick> Riddell: sorry about that, fixed it
[09:43] <jpatrick> Tm_T: look for it at launchpad
[09:43] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: uh oh...the scary bit...
[09:44] <jpatrick> he was ready
[09:44] <jpatrick> science team?
[09:44] <jpatrick> what about us?
[09:45] <Tm_T> jpatrick: ty
[09:46] <Tm_T> jpatrick: eh, only sources this far or... hmm
[09:46] <jpatrick> hmm
[09:47] <robotgeek> jpatrick: soon with kubuntu too :)
[09:47] <jpatrick> robotgeek: ;)
[09:47] <jpatrick> Tm_T: dude: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/sysinfo
[09:48] <jpatrick> it says binary packages
[09:48] <jjesse> robotgeek: i think you got enought support :)
[09:48] <jpatrick> none there
[09:48] <jpatrick> lots
[09:48] <robotgeek> heh
[09:48] <Hobbsee> hehe lucky
[09:49] <Tm_T> jpatrick: dude: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/i386/sysinfo
[09:50] <jpatrick> I know that :P
[09:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:57] <Tm_T> jpatrick: apt-get source -b helps ;)
[09:58] <jpatrick> :P
[09:58] <Tm_T> nothing can stop me!
[09:59] <robotgeek> phew!
[09:59] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[10:00] <_Sime> Riddell: I've been pestering you about this for a while, but will we see a "restart X server" option on the login screen? (kdm?)
[10:00] <Tm_T> I doubt
[10:01] <Tm_T> but yeah, I think that kind of stuff should be accessible with mouse
[10:01] <Riddell> _Sime: doesn't kdm have one by default?  in which case it should just be a case of working out how to add it back
[10:01] <Tm_T> Riddell: I never seen it
[10:05] <Tm_T> jpatrick: hehe, sysinfo... running ;)
[10:05] <robotgeek> jpatrick: :)
[10:05] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: +25!
[10:05] <Tm_T> ?
[10:06] <jpatrick> or anywhere I see him
[10:06] <Hobbsee> please do!
[10:06] <_Sime> Riddell: I've updated my dapper here, and I don't have the option. It must be a config somewhere...
[10:06] <Tm_T> jpatrick: what?
[10:06] <_Sime> Riddell: mandriva had it last time I looked.
[10:06] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: are you sitting in on the meeting?
[10:07] <Tm_T> #ubuntu-meeting?
[10:07] <Tm_T> ...apparently not
[10:07] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: really?  i didnt know that one!
[10:08] <jpatrick> Riddell mentioned it once
[10:08] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: well, you have one now!
[10:08] <Hobbsee> oh wow!
[10:10] <jpatrick> go me!
[10:10] <robotgeek> go jpatrick !
[10:10] <Hobbsee> do i answer sorush20
[10:10] <Hobbsee> 's question?
[10:10] <jpatrick> yes
[10:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: confirm what I said (if I'm right)
[10:11] <Hobbsee> you're more or less right
[10:12] <jpatrick> 1 more!
[10:12] <Tm_T> good night ->
[10:12] <jpatrick> night Tm_T
[10:12] <Hobbsee> night Tm_T
[10:13] <Hobbsee> for goodness sake, sorush20 shut the $%^&^&%$ up!
[10:13] <jpatrick> congrats Hobbsee !
[10:13] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: :D
[10:14] <robotgeek> yay Hobbsee !
[10:14] <Hobbsee> yay!!!!
[10:14] <jpatrick> too late
[10:14] <Riddell> :)
[10:14] <luka74> congrats to Hobsee and robotgeek
[10:14] <luka74> ;-)
[10:14] <robotgeek> thanks luka74 :)
[10:15] <Hobbsee> thanks luka74 :D
[10:16] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: and?  at least you dotn get asked all these nasty questions about what you're going to do next year/this year yet hehe
[10:17] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: you weren't at TechBoard!
[10:17] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: techboard?
[10:17] <jpatrick> where you become MOTU or core-dev
[10:17] <jpatrick> wait I'll find you the log
[10:17] <Hobbsee> ah, fair enough
[10:19] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: here it is: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-02-14.html (I start around 9:39)
[10:20] <jpatrick> Riddell: final verdict kautoclick?
[10:20] <jpatrick> :)
[10:22] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: didnt know it was on, i might have not been awake for it anyway
[10:24] <jpatrick> anyway Kubuntu Meeting tommorrow :)
[10:24] <Hobbsee> ah yes, another time to get up nice and early...
[10:24] <Hobbsee> i found some old wiki specs for tomorrow, not sure if we want to discuss them in the meeting or not - it may well be for tonio_'s reference
[10:26] <Hobbsee> s/tomorrow/kubuntu - it's still too darn early!
[10:26] <robotgeek> jpatrick: wow, looks tough!
[10:26] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperRoadmap - that one
[10:27] <jpatrick> robotgeek: they have a way of like stretching time
[10:27] <jpatrick> hmm
[10:28] <jpatrick> "Time permitting we will create initial packages for KDE 4 to let KDE developers have an easy way to get a KDE 4 environment running."
[10:28] <allee> Riddell: rsibreak 0.5 ready.  Upload to a webspace or revu?
[10:28] <Riddell> allee: revu please
[10:29] <allee> 'k
[10:29] <Riddell> then we need to find out what the current UVF policy is
[10:29] <Riddell> toma: is there a good changelog?
[10:29] <Riddell> preferably highlighting important fixes :)
[10:29] <jpatrick> send mail to ubuntu-motu
[10:29] <allee> Riddell: changelog is svn commit log. NEWS is a summary of changes/bugfixes
[10:29] <allee> Riddell: so NEWS is what you looking for
[10:30] <toma> Riddell: NEWS at http://www.omat.nl/drupal/?q=node/23 as well
[10:30] <jpatrick> you'll need a diffstat too
[10:31] <Riddell> jpatrick: kubuntu_01_kautoclick.diff still fails to apply
[10:31] <jpatrick> arg!
[10:31] <jpatrick> it should be kautoclick-0.1/src/kautoclick.desktop at the top
[10:32] <Riddell> it's not
[10:32] <jpatrick> it should
[10:32] <Riddell> use a pbuilder
[10:32] <Flosoft> is there a Synaptic clone for the console?
[10:32] <Riddell> Flosoft: sounds like a #ubuntu/#kubuntu question
[10:32] <jpatrick> the console?
[10:33] <Flosoft> terminal
[10:33] <Hobbsee|away> aptitude/apt-get probably
[10:33] <jpatrick> that's not a synaptic clone
[10:33] <luka74> Flosoft: aptitude
[10:33] <Hobbsee|away> true
[10:34] <Flosoft> I used Yast before :S
[10:34] <luka74> probably as close as it gets
[10:34] <Flosoft> so I am looking for a nice console frontend to browse and see the status of debs
[10:34] <allee> rsibreak uploaded to revu but not on the webpage yet
[10:34] <seaLne> the patch discussed on the kde bug tho dosen't sound like we have
[10:34] <luka74> aptitude hac curses interface for install
[10:34] <luka74> s/hac/has/
[10:36] <_Sime> Riddell: /etc/kde3/kdmrc => AllowClose=true, turns that option on for the kdm screen.
[10:37] <seaLne> so you can close the login dialog?
[10:43] <jpatrick> Riddell: works now :)
[10:53] <allee> rsibreak: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1930
[10:54] <allee> toma: I've added a short note in revu.  Suggestions for changes/additions?
[10:56] <toma> allee: no, its ok.
[10:56] <allee> 'k
[11:05] <Hobbsee> ack, i see we got the font upgrades...
[11:06] <allee> luka74: curious: your '147' dpi monitor.  What's the width/height in mm ?
[11:09] <luka74> will check log...
[11:09] <allee> luka74: no, no.  I'm interested what a ruler shows you
[11:10] <luka74> Image Size:  331 x 207 mm
[11:10] <allee> ah, and if xorg driver find the same is interesing too :)
[11:10] <luka74> That is it (also with ruler)
[11:10] <luka74> (I just did not recalled by head)
[11:10] <Hobbsee> how does one set that setting in particular?  in xorg.conf?
[11:10] <allee> luka74: so xorg driver and reality match in your case?
[11:11] <luka74> Hobbsee: in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[11:11] <allee> DisplaySize x-in-mm y-in-mm in section monitor # See my wiki homepage ;)
[11:11] <allee> luka74: NO :)
[11:11] <luka74> ;-)
[11:11] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[11:11] <luka74> I was just teasing allee
[11:11] <luka74> ;-)
[11:11] <luka74> Hobbsee: allee is right
[11:12] <luka74> yes, but only with fglrx
[11:12] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[11:12] <Hobbsee> the updates keep mucking up my fonts every once in a while, as tonio_ changes them, so i may as well do it properly
[11:12] <luka74> "ati" does not detect mt display (cannot make it work), while "radeon" does partially
[11:12] <luka74> Breezy did work with "ati"
[11:13] <allee> luka74: promis to never cheat with DPI and I hug you too ;)
[11:14] <luka74> promise!
[11:14] <toma> width? height? why not just set a dpi?
[11:14] <luka74> Fact is - you still need DPI.
[11:15] <luka74> I have changed it down to 100 to make it look good with default font sizes
[11:15] <luka74> I am now scared that Tonio changes will just make my default fonts tiny (at pt will be reduced)
[11:16] <luka74> disclaimer: only on very high resolution monitors
[11:16] <allee> toma: please, stop saying this!  It hurts me!
[11:16] <luka74> mine is 1920x1200 on 15.4" of 331x207 mm
[11:17] <toma> allee: you are not going to walk in this trap twice in a row, are you?
[11:18] <allee> toma: simply reading hurts, I've no chance
[11:19] <allee> luka74: sorry, your dpi is really 147 dpi.  I have a 144 dpi dell laptop and reduzing font size worked fine.
[11:20] <luka74> allee: true, fglrx/X.org detection work great, only how this DPI is then used later might be an issue
[11:21] <luka74> I need to free-up another partition, as I plan to install Ubuntu/GNOME for first time just to see the diff
[11:21] <allee> luka74: well, the default font size with correct dpi is a bit big.  But almost all users used it here (incl. me) for a while and are now happy with it.  Much more relaxing
[11:21] <luka74> and hopefully learn something - but it looks like Tonio is getting there
[11:22] <allee> luka74: but a bit smaller would be no problem for most people too ;)
[11:22] <luka74> allee: I hate that some forms are just to small because of huge font - this is IMHO just ugly
[11:23] <allee> luka74: only one I know is the login window.  Are there more (then layout if broken)
[11:25] <luka74> there are plenty of cases that default was just ugly - this is why I always swith to 100 dpi for fonts immedeately
[11:26] <luka74> but I am looking forward to test changes to defaults done by Tonio
[11:26] <allee> luka74: afaiu default will now be 96 dpi :(
[11:27] <luka74> whatever, I just want it to look better ;-)
[11:27] <Riddell> allee: _Sime's script rounds it to something sensible
[11:27] <luka74> Riddell: can you define "sensible"?
[11:27] <allee> luka74: when your bored, accept default dpi and use a smaller pt size for fonts  100/147 ~ 2/3  10 pt -> 7 or 6 pt
[11:28] <Riddell> rounded to 96 or 120 or larger
[11:28] <luka74> allee: the problem with that approach is that this does not change all apps, so it is huge manual work
[11:29] <luka74> Riddell: does this mean we will be able to manually set it from GUI too?
[11:30] <robotgeek> allee: i am totally lost on font-sizes
[11:30] <luka74> allee: I could agree - this would explain why so much fuzz about it
[11:30] <Riddell> luka74: not yet
[11:30] <allee> luka74: I know about the problem.  But let's concentrate what's broken and how to best fix it
[11:31] <luka74> the fact is also that you have now people with low and high resulution displays
[11:31] <luka74> and low resolution is just nothing bad (until you see high res display)
[11:31] <luka74> ;-)
[11:32] <allee> luka74: Yes. your high res and a cheap low res monitor (75dpi) are a factor or two.  See my Wiki homepage, how absurd a fix dpi can be
[11:33] <allee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AchimBohnet
[11:33] <luka74> allee: one of reasons for my complete switch from Windows to Kubuntu was that XP sucks in this respect
[11:34] <allee> luka74: yeah!
[11:34] <jshadow> Hello all
[11:34] <luka74> XP does fonts well, but such in screen element size (not to mention resized raster icons)
[11:34] <luka74> s/such/suck/
[11:35] <allee> luka74: fwiw:  Using a fixed dpi is what windows used by default :)
[11:35] <allee> s\/used/uses/
[11:36] <jshadow> I have a somewhat basic question. I'm working on a plugin for katapult and it compiles but it's not linking right. From what I understand it's an issue with moc. What tool should I be using to generate a makefile that takes care of the moc?
[11:38] <toma> jshadow: did you include the moc in the .cpp?
[11:41] <jshadow> no, but I'm getting "undefined reference to vtable" errors, and a google search suggested moc, this is my first qt app so I'm a little confused
[11:43] <jshadow> I guess what I'm asking is how should I have generated the makefile in the first place, and then maybe I can read up on that tool
[11:43] <toma> jshadow: include the moc at the bottom of your cpp: setuptiming.cpp:#include "setuptiming.moc
[11:43] <toma> rerun configure
[11:44] <jshadow> k, but the standard configure for katapult won't find my plugin, where should I be modifying this?
[11:45] <jshadow> right now I'm just using a hand written makefile
[11:47] <toma> jshadow: the moc is auto generated, because it is needed for the cpp and so you dont need to add anything to a makefile
[11:47] <toma> jshadow: but this is more something for #kde-devel i think
[11:47] <jshadow> ok, well thanks, this gets me in the right direction
[12:00] <Hobbsee> allee: where abouts do i set this displaysize?
[12:01] <allee> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AchimBohnet  for this FAQ ;)
[12:01] <Hobbsee> oops
[12:01] <Hobbsee> i did go look, really i did!
[12:02] <Hobbsee> string not found
[12:02] <allee> Hobbsee: it's must my frequently given answer. Problem is not may ask this question as they should do :)
[12:02] <Hobbsee> oh grr!  i'm looking in the wrong file!


[12:14] <Burgwork> ivoks: probably because nobody has filed an MIR
[12:14] <Burgwork> I took a look at its security record
[12:14] <Burgwork> doesn't look too scary, for a php app
[12:14] <ivoks> :))
[12:14] <Burgwork> I need to do an MIR for asterisk at some point as well, so I will do zabbix
[12:15] <ivoks> that would be great addition for next LTS
[12:16] <Burgwork> the latest asterisk also supports snmp
[12:18] <Burgwork> pretty much all options for running asterisk right now suck, because of lack of security support
[12:18] <Burgwork> and given asterisk has a history of remote DoS issues...
[12:20] <ivoks> i didn't spend too much time with asterisk
[12:20] <ivoks> tried, worked, left it :)
[12:20] <ivoks> i would probably work with it, but i've left that company :D
[12:21] <Burgwork> we have an ancient 1.x cvs version of asterisk some consultant setup for us
[12:21] <Burgwork> running on White Box EL 3
[12:53] <theacolyte> I'd rather hand configure MIB/OID/SNMP than deal with it
[03:08] <firecrotch> Hi everyone, I'm wondering if you could direct me to a guide to optimizing the services on my server
[09:53] <[miles] > morning guys
[09:53] <[miles] > anyone awake?
[09:55] <lionel> morning [miles]
[09:55] <[miles] > bonjour lionel
[09:55] <[miles] > ;)
[09:55] <lionel> :)
[09:55] <[miles] > lionel: dude, I'm currently manually updating our 6.06 LTS servers...
[09:55] <lionel> hehe. security updates ?
[09:56] <[miles] > lionel: When I was using SLES, I could automatically configure it to update
[09:56] <[miles] > lionel: in ubuntu, is there a particlar package to help do this, or is it just cron-tastic :)
[09:56] <lionel> what do you mean by automatically ?
[09:57] <[miles] > well, auto-update
[09:57] <[miles] > it would download and install all updates (SLES)
[09:57] <ivoks> yes
[09:57] <lionel> there is a unattended-upgrades package
[09:57] <[miles] > ah
[09:57] <[miles] > ok nice
[09:57] <ivoks> i'm not sure this is smart thing to do :)
[09:57] <[miles] > ah ok
[09:57] <lionel> I would not do it also :)
[09:57] <[miles] > maybe a cron notifiying me of availble updates would be better
[09:59] <[miles] > I was amazed last night... in 7 years working with linux, I have never seen any reference to "dialog" in bash scripting... then, I happend to download an ebook on linux programming, and low and behold, it's showing how to create ncurses menus in bash using dialog...
[09:59] <[miles] > saves having to code them in C
[09:59] <ivoks> you can do it with cron
[10:00] <ivoks> but you would have to create your own script
[10:00] <[miles] > aye
[10:00] <[miles] > thats fine, I don't mind doing that...
[10:00] <ivoks> there is /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log
[10:00] <lionel> cron-apt could do it
[10:00] <ivoks> so you could parse it
[10:00] <ivoks> or that, right :)
[10:00] <[miles] > ivoks: you class that package as unstable?
[10:00] <lionel> it downloads and send a mail saying updates are available
[10:00] <ivoks> [miles] : unattended-upgrades?
[10:00] <[miles] > nod
[10:01] <ivoks> [miles] : no; it's great package; the idea iss unstable :)
[10:01] <[miles] > jaja
[10:01] <[miles] > :)
[10:01] <ivoks> default behaviour of this package is to download only
[10:01] <[miles] > ah ok
[10:02] <[miles] > I must stream-line a few things here, there is too many UBS's now
[10:02] <[miles] > like apt-proxy or what ever its called
[10:03] <ivoks> lionel: feisty's version has "Unattended-Upgrade::Mail" mail notification
[10:03] <lionel> Oh cool
[10:03] <lionel> thanks for the info
[10:03] <[miles] > can someone gimme a clue as to how / where I configure this unattended-upgrades please?
[10:04] <ivoks> [miles] : /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades"
[10:04] <ivoks> without last "
[10:04] <[miles] > thanks
[10:04] <[miles] > ahhh heres another q4u all
[10:04] <[miles] > I use Prozilla as a download manager... as it's fast multi-part downloader
[10:05] <[miles] > can I configure apt to use it in anyway?
[10:05] <[miles] > I guess apt uses wget no?
[10:08] <ivoks> well, you can allways do --print-uris
[10:08] <ivoks> and then feed your prozilla with urls :)
[10:09] <[miles] > :)
[10:09] <[miles] > ivoks: I can't find any info on what options I can feed this autoupdater
[10:10] <ivoks> sure you can
[10:10] <ivoks> less /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade :)
[10:11] <[miles] > :O
[10:15] <[miles] > fuck, I need coffee... time to hit a bar
[10:15] <[miles] > bbiab guys
[10:15] <[miles] > thanks for the info btw
[10:21] <gawdzilla> Is there an ircd webadmin type tool like admirc ?
[10:23] <gawdzilla> hopefully for ircd-hybrid
[10:37] <gawdzilla> Is there an ircd webadmin type tool like admirc ?
[10:44] <[miles] > gawdzilla: I don't know of one
[10:44] <[miles] > gawdzilla: you hit sourceforge?
[10:44] <gawdzilla> yup
[10:44] <gawdzilla> and anope forums
[10:45] <[miles] > gawdzilla: one second... you want an admin interface to control an irc server? correct?
[10:46] <gawdzilla> yup
[10:46] <[miles] > right, gimme a min
[10:46] <gawdzilla> nickserv chanserv and so on
[10:46] <[miles] > I'm just asking in another channel
[10:47] <gawdzilla> bot maintenaince would be nice but I'd settle for minimalistic service control
[10:47] <gawdzilla> thanks
[10:50] <[miles] > sorry, the guys I thought might know... don't
[10:50] <[miles] > gawdzilla: ask in #freenode ?
[10:51] <[miles] > gawdzilla: surely someone there will know....
[10:51] <gawdzilla> OK, thanks for the suggestions
[10:51] <[miles] > gawdzilla: it's the only thing I can personally think of... asking there
[10:51] <[miles] > gawdzilla: does it have to be irc server?
[10:51] <[miles] > gawdzilla: jabber servers are cool
[10:52] <gawdzilla> Yes since I'm already running it
[10:52] <gawdzilla> tho later a migration to jabber with an irc bridge could be interesting
[10:54] <[miles] > gawdzilla: I personally install jabber servers normally
[10:55] <gawdzilla> yes they have many interesting interfaces toother protocols
[10:56] <[miles] > nod
[11:02] <[miles] > lionel: still there?
[11:03] <lionel> [miles] : yep
[11:03] <[miles] > lionel: do you happen to know, the next LTS release?
[11:03] <lionel> no
[11:03] <[miles] > lionel: with 5 year support on server.
[11:03] <[miles] > lionel: ah ok
[11:03] <lionel> it is not planned obviously
[11:03] <lionel> I heard some times ago that it would be every two years
[11:04] <[miles] > ok
[11:04] <lionel> so feisty+2 may be a LTS...
[11:04] <lionel> feisty will not be and feisty+1 will probabily not be
[11:05] <[miles] > k
[11:05] <[miles] > lionel: you work for Canonical?
[11:06] <lionel> no :)
[11:06] <[miles] > :)
[11:06] <[miles] > contributor?
[11:07] <lionel> yep, only contributor
[11:07] <lionel> (small contributor ;))
[11:08] <[miles] > jeje
[02:07] <davekempe> was someone here asking about securing PHP apps for shared hosting?
[02:15] <shawarma> davekempe: There was some talk about in on the mailing list. Maybe here, too.
[02:15] <davekempe> yeah i cbfed posting to mailing list, but was going to suggest apparmour
[02:15] <davekempe> need to test it some more, but it should be in fiesty
[02:16] <shawarma> cbfed?
[02:16] <ajmitch> "can't be bothered" :)
[02:16] <davekempe> :)
[02:16] <shawarma> huh?
[02:17] <shawarma> That becomes "cbfed" how?
[02:17] <davekempe> lol
[02:17] <ajmitch> replaced bothered with another word
[02:18] <shawarma> fish? finger? fenestrate?
[02:18] <shawarma> fantasise?
[02:18] <ajmitch> fish
[02:18] <shawarma> Oh, good.
[02:18] <shawarma> Then I get it.
[02:19] <shawarma> :-p
[02:20] <davekempe> anyway. what do you guys think of apparmour?
[02:21] <ajmitch> not a huge fan, though I can see a few people using it
[02:22] <davekempe> why not a fan?
[02:23] <ajmitch> path-based MAC, weak & messy
[02:23] <ajmitch> labelling is more complex, causes more complex policy, but is more complete in that regard
[02:28] <davekempe> all security is compromise
[07:04] <theacolyte> join #cacti
[07:04] <theacolyte> !
[08:57] <jjesse> is there a feisty download for ubuntu server x86?
[08:57] <jjesse> i see a daily for amd64 and also sparc but no x86
[09:00] <fabbione> jjesse: if you are looking for daily build, there was a bug on our cdimage publisher.. so today image might not be there
[09:00] <fabbione> otherwise just download Beta release and dist upgrade
[09:01] <jjesse> fabbione: is that from cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/ ?
[09:02] <fabbione> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ <- those are daily build
[09:02] <fabbione> and i386 is missing
[09:02] <fabbione> http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ <- beta release
[09:02] <jjesse> ah sorry
[09:02] <jjesse> silly me
[09:02] <fabbione> no problem
[10:22] <theacolyte> ooo, reading the instructions on upgrading to 7.04 -- nice work on that, very easy :)
[10:23] <shawarma> Is there a guide for upgrading servers?
[10:24] <theacolyte> yup
[10:24] <theacolyte> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[10:24] <theacolyte> err sorry
[10:24] <theacolyte> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades


[07:43] <ogra_> stgraber, "Daily rebuild quota reached for product." ... i got that for touch on the iso tracker ... thought you might want to know about it :) (i started a build directly on nusakan now)
[08:56] <apw> ogra_, i wonder when the day starts, as it is pretty early relative to UTC
[08:58] <ogra_> apw, well, i never know if he is in switzerland or canada TZ :)
[08:59] <apw> ogra_, well i was more thinking of the day for the quota system :)
[08:59] <ogra_> hah
[12:37] <Chipaca> any MOTUs around?
[12:49] <apw> Chipaca, there are bound to be, but they will likely be more responsive to a specific question
[12:49] <Chipaca> apw: asked more specifically in #ubuntu-motu
[12:49] <Chipaca> not getting any love there though :)
[12:55] <rbasak> Chipaca: you need to give it more than a few minutes :) Looking.
[12:55] <Chipaca> rbasak: I am nothing if not impatient
[14:53] <infinity> ogra_: Daily quotas are intentional, so no one flavour decides they're so important that they can choke out all the infrastructure's resources.
[14:53] <ogra_> infinity, interesting ... its not like we did build more than two images a day
[14:54] <ogra_> 3 at times ... but rarely
[14:54] <infinity> ogra_: It's possible it's intentionally but also broken. :)
[14:54] <ogra_> hehe
[14:54] <infinity> s/intentionally/intentional/
[14:54] <ogra_> that is why i pinged stgraber about it
[15:01] <infinity> ogra_: "Living in the past will be possible in the near future"... Hah!
[15:05] <infinity> ogra_: Wow, and my brain decided to quote you backwards.  I might need to wake up.
[15:05] <ogra_> haha
[15:54] <rtg> stgraber, I've corrected the openipmi version that you objected to and have re-uploaded.
[17:17] <robru> cjwatson, ping about platform-api again. I hit publish on the silo but it doesn't seem to have made it into proposed, likely because of that version issue. any way to fix it?
[17:48] <infinity> "That version issue"?
[17:54] <robru> infinity, yeah sorry, was talking with cjwatson about this yesterday
[17:55] <robru> infinity, what happened is, platform-api was supposed to build v1.2.0 in a ppa, but because the ppa had an old, deleted v2.0.0 in it, citrain screwed up and built 2.0.0 anyway. then *I* screwed up and published that, but it got stuck in -proposed. cjwatson deleted it from -proposed already, so I then rebuilt 1.2.0 correctly and published that, but the upload to -proposed was rejected
[17:55] <robru> or at least i assume it was rejected, because it's not in proposed. i don't get rejection mails...
[17:56] <robru> infinity, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dFVHQ3FuMDJGLUZCamJfSjYzbWh3Wnc&rm=full&pli=1#gid=37 here's the status showing platform-api not in proposed along with the rest of the silo
[17:58] <infinity> robru: How do I determine what PPA that's in, so I can try a manual copy?
[17:58] <infinity> Oh, it's at the top.
[17:59] <robru> infinity, that link I gave has a link to the PPA, but also here: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-019 yeah ;-)
[17:59] <robru> infinity, silos are always https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-0##, I have a saved search for that ;-)
[18:01] <infinity> robru: Was accepted just fine on a manual copy.  So either your original attempt was before it was deleted, or something else went wrong.  Without the emails, it's hard to tell. :/
[18:01] <infinity> robru: Copied now, though.
[18:01] <robru> infinity, great, thanks.
[18:02] <robru> infinity, yeah, I tried to subscribe to the team that gets the jenkins rejection emails but nobody approved me for that, not sure who to ping
[18:02] <robru> infinity, i believe cjwatson did the deletion yesterday, so i doubt there was a race between his deletion and my upload (an hour ago). something else is wrong i guess, but at least this is an isolated case
[18:55] <cjwatson> robru: There's no sign of a copy attempt in the Launchpad logs before infinity did a manual copy
[18:56] <cjwatson> robru: So something must have been confused on the CI side, but I can't say I know what
[18:57] <robru> cjwatson, thanks for checking. here's the log, I guess it didn't copy: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-019-2-publish/32/console
[18:57] <cjwatson> robru: Right, that's a citrain refusal
[18:58] <cjwatson> robru: It points to the "ignore version destination" option which sounds like it would have been plausible
[18:58] <cjwatson> robru: But if you were using that and it still didn't work then I guess it's a citrain bug
[18:58] <robru> it's funny how many individual things had to go wrong for us to get to this state. one landing was in one silo, but then got moved to a different one. the next landing in the first silo contained one of the same projects as the previous landing.  also this would not have been a problem if upstream hadn't bumped the upstream version number
[18:58] <cjwatson> robru: FWIW if it *had* been a Launchpad copy error then you would have got mail about it as the publisher
[18:59] <robru> cjwatson, yeah, i had that option checked
[18:59] <robru> ah
[18:59] <cjwatson> (regardless of any team that gets jenkins rejection mails)