[00:00] <Planetary> jwill: well I am collecting info to use on it later, it is not at this location. also what do I do after compiz purge? sudo halt  then boot back up?
[00:00] <Daughain> OK, so I move fast......
[00:00] <jedix> you in KDE?
[00:00] <Daughain> Me?? No. never got a KDE option.
[00:00] <jwill> Planetary: Oh, I guess.
[00:00] <jwill> Daughain: What were the options?
[00:01] <Planetary> jwill: thanks for your help!
[00:01] <Daughain> My acct and the 'other' default.
[00:01] <jedix> okay, hold on
[00:01] <jwill> Daughain: http://www.gnome.org/~chrisime/random/pix/gdm-Screenshot.png
[00:02] <jwill> Daughain: See the "Session" menu?  You need to click that.  There should be entries like "Gnome," "KDE," "Failsafe...," etc
[00:02] <jwill> Daughain: Gnome will be selected.  You need to select KDE, then login.
[00:02] <jedix> Daughain: run "dpkg-reconfigre kdm" and chose kdm as your default display manager
[00:02] <jwill> jedix:  You don't need KDM
[00:02] <jwill> jedix: He just didn't find the session menu
[00:03] <Daughain> I dont get any options like that.
[00:03] <Daughain> Lemme log out again and see spomrthing.
[00:03] <ed__> hi
[00:04] <jwill> Hmm, I don't see a session menu: http://i37.tinypic.com/wraxxl.jpg
[00:04] <jedix> man, changing to kdm will fix this
[00:04] <jwill> Yeah
[00:05] <jedix> if it works
[00:05] <jedix> if not, he's going to be pissed
[00:05] <jwill> I've had some bad experiences with that.
[00:05] <jwill> jedix: Installing KDE on top of GNOME Ubuntu is often less than ideal...
[00:06] <jedix> nod
[00:07] <jedix> think he'll be back?
[00:07] <jedix> terminator style
[00:08] <jwill> We'll see.
[00:10] <jwill> jedix: He probably found KDE, and is looking for an IRC client.
[00:11] <jedix> haha
[00:12] <Daughain> Ok, found kde......And not hapy with it so far...
[00:13] <jwill> Daughain: If there's something you don't like, chances are you can change it so you do.
[00:13] <jwill> Daughain: KDE is awesome like that.
[00:13] <jwill> jedix: He's back.
[00:13] <Daughain> I sure as hell hope so, since it doesnt wanna log into my wireless network.
[00:13] <Daughain> I had to plug this brat back in to log on.
[00:14] <jwill> Well, you would have to set it up again, since it doesn't share settings with the GNOME network manager
[00:14] <Daughain> Asks for the damn password three times.
[00:15] <Daughain> Now, how do I get it to dosplay my temp settings?
[00:15] <jwill> Daughain: There's a plasmoid for that
[00:15] <Daughain> .........A     WHAT?!!?!?
[00:15] <jwill> Daughain: Trust me, thay're made of awesome.
[00:15]  * Daughain chuckles...
[00:16] <jwill> Daughain: Right click on desktop, unlock
[00:16] <Daughain> A plasmoid is something made up of plasma........That concept on my computer just worries me, considering the temps involved in plasma.
[00:16] <jwill> Daughain: select "add widget"
[00:16] <Daughain> Ok, there.
[00:16] <jwill> Daughain: They're just KDE4 applets, like on your panel in gnome
[00:16] <jwill> Daughain: Except they can be on your desktop as well
[00:17] <jwill> Daughain: Type "temp" or something in the search, or scroll down to find it
[00:18] <jwill> Daughain: There's one included in the kubuntu-desktop packages, or you can get a different one from kde-look.org
[00:18] <jwill> Daughain: ...which you can access from the "add widget" window
[00:18] <Daughain> OK, so how do I get these installed and finctioning??
[00:19] <Daughain> I highlight the thing, and click on add...Nothing happens.
[00:19] <jwill> Daughain: Just drag it onto the desktop
[00:19] <Daughain> Ah...Tooo simple for me,. I see. =)
[00:19] <Daughain> brb
[00:19] <jwill> Daughain: This is my desktop: http://imagebin.ca/view/dq1CCQq2.html
[00:19] <jwill> Daughain: Lot of cool plasmoids and stuff around
[00:21] <jedix> my thinkpad circe 2002 isn't up to running many plasmoids
[00:21] <Daughain> Ok, I dont want this crap all over my desktop....One of thre things I liked about gnome was al this was on a toolbar.....Can these things be relocaTED TO ATOOLBAR?
[00:21] <Daughain>  Sorry for the caps.
[00:22] <ed___> hello
[00:22] <Fanfare> Daughain: plasmoids life where u drop them...
[00:22] <Daughain> Thanks Fanfare....Think I need to tinker some more here... =)
[00:22] <ed___> can anybody help me with a compiling-related issue?
[00:23] <jwill> Daughain: Yeah, if you want a traditional desktop, right click on desktop, select "Desktop settings"
[00:23] <Fanfare> ed___: ask!
[00:23] <jwill> Daughain:  and change "desktop activity type" from "desktop" to "folder view"
[00:23] <Daughain> jwill......Dunno about traditional.....I just find some things about the gnome environ useful...
[00:24] <jwill> Daughain: I mean icons from your desktop folder on your desktop, rather than plasmoids
[00:24] <Daughain> Ummmm........I'll get back to you on that, jwill, I neeed to gfet oriented first I think. =)
[00:24] <Daughain> And, since this laptop has an overheat issue, I need to get my temp setings working first.=)
[00:24] <Daughain> brb
[00:28] <Daughain> Trying to find a temp widget that shows digital, not analog.
[00:30] <Daughain> jwill  which weather widget is that you use?
[00:30] <Daughain> Say that ten times fast.....
[00:31] <jwill> Daughain: Weather Forecast, included in kubuntu
[00:32] <Daughain> How do you get the clock to display 24 hr format?
[00:34] <chalcedony> jwill, how do you set that up?
[00:36] <Fanfare> Daughain: in systemsettings its part of your localisation...
[00:36] <jwill> chalcedony: The weather?  Click the wrench icon in the handle that slides out (desktop needs to be unlocked)
[00:40] <jonftle> evening all, can anybody help me out with some PulseAudio issues under Kubuntu 9.10? My audio doesn't work reliably. I installed PulseAudio Manager, and found out that it doesn't see any of my hardware devices. Any ideas?
[00:44] <jwill> jonftle: Doesn't KDE use phonon in place of pulseaudio?
[00:45] <Daughain> Now to find where system settings went....
[00:45] <jwill> jonftle: I was under the impression that having pulseaudio installed in KDE was a very bad thing
[00:46] <jonftle> jwill: I really don't know one way or the other, but under my System Settings > Multimedia, I show a PulseAudio device that doesn't work
[00:46] <jonftle> jwill: I also show an HDA Intel device that doesn't work either
[00:47] <jonftle> jwill: Funny thing is, I get system startup shutdown noises, gStreamer often works, and I can usually get audio out of VLC and FLash video, but they aren't reliable
[00:48] <jwill> jonftle: I had a problem with sound in kubuntu.  I only got system sounds, and kde app sounds (eg amarok).  Nothing else worked.
[00:48] <jwill> jonftle: Turned out PCM is muted by default in Kubuntu, just to screw with you.
[00:49] <jwill> jonftle: Run alsamixer, see if PCM is muted (up key to turn volume up, make sure it says eg '99', not 'MM'
[00:49] <jonftle> jwill: Already found that one out and fixed it. I have sound, just not all the time, as if my sound devices aren't properly detected at startup. And as far as the system is concerned, none of my audio devices work at all. I get errors when i test them
[00:49] <teezett> can someone tell me how to activate the broadcom wlan driver in kubuntu netbook remix
[00:50] <jwill> jonftle: Nope, I'm wrong.  Pulseaudio is normal and good.
[00:50] <jwill> jonftle: I have no idea.
[00:51] <jonftle> jwill: I ran AlsaMixer - had no idea that this was even here, and everything seems to be just fine
[00:52] <jonftle> jwill: But it still doesn't work, and like i said, the system actually thinks that my devices aren't working, even though they are. so i dont think that its a volume issue, you know what i mean?
[00:54] <jwill> jonftle: A safe assumption, probably.
[00:54] <Daugha|n> This working now?>
[00:54] <jwill> Daughain: Presumably?
[00:54] <jonftle> jwill: well thanks for your help
[00:55] <jwill> jonftle: Sorry, don't know anything about your problem.
[00:55] <Daugha|n> Apparently.... =) Ok got my wireless back. =)
[00:57] <Daugha|n> OK, so why is it the time in systems settings shows a 24 hr, but it wqont set it as 24 hr on the desktop?
[00:59] <brunoboto> oi
[01:00] <devilsadvocate> jonftle, i assume you've already tried changing the priority of your audio devices?
[01:02] <devilsadvocate> jonftle, in case pulseaudio is being a bitch you can try moving it down and making alsa or hda or whatever get the higher priority
[01:02] <devilsadvocate> that worked for me before
[01:02] <Daugha|n> Ok, slowly getting used to this.....
[01:02] <jonftle> devilsadvocate: I have tried doing so from the Multimedia section of System Settings. Problem is, the system seems to think that neither of my devices work. However, they clearly do, most of the time. So when I hit the Test button for either device, I get a message in knotify that  they don't work
[01:02] <Daugha|n> jwill;   Once I get my bearings, this is kinda fun to tinker with. =)
[01:02] <jwill> Daughain: You need to logout/in to update localization stuff.
[01:02] <jwill> Yeah
[01:02] <jonftle> devilsadvocate: and when I go into the PulseAudio manager, under Devices, the only thing that it recognizes are Dummy Output devices
[01:02] <devilsadvocate> jonftle, hm
[01:02] <Daugha|n> jwill;  I couldnt find a way to edit the time to 24 hr.
[01:02] <Daugha|n> =(
[01:02] <devilsadvocate> jonftle, you havent tried doing anything with jack, have you?
[01:02] <jonftle> devilsadvocate: I have not
[01:03] <Daugha|n> Though, smething seems to have gone right with the last install.....My audio s working better. =)
[01:03] <jonftle> devilsadvocate: Just a little more info - when I go into the pavucontrol GUI, under Configuration, PulseAudio tells me that there are no cards available for configuration
[01:20] <jschall_> when i drag an application link from the menu into the "desktop" folder plasma widget thing, it doesn't do anything.
[01:20] <jwill_> o_O
[01:20] <jschall_> so say i want konqueror in my desktop folder, how would i get it there?
[01:21] <jwill_> jschall_: Dragging from the default menu to a folderview?
[01:21] <jschall_> jwill_: yes
[01:21] <jwill_> jschall_: No menu that asks you to copy or link?
[01:21] <jschall_> No.
[01:22] <jwill_> That's odd.
[01:22] <jwill_> jschall_: Try from menu to dolphin
[01:22] <coreyB> is there a way to set a usb drive as all 777?
[01:22] <jschall_> did
[01:22] <jschall_> didn't work
[01:23] <jschall_> wait
[01:23] <jwill_> jschall_: Try going to "applications:" in dolphin
[01:24] <jwill_> coreyB: Don't know.  But that's more a general linux question.  Probably could try a bunch of channels.
[01:24] <coreyB> oo :D
[01:24] <jwill_> coreyB: #ubuntu, at least.  Lots more people there.
[01:25] <coreyB> heheh
[01:25] <coreyB> i did lol
[01:25] <jwill_> D:
[01:25] <jwill_> coreyB: Oh, you could maybe set fstab to mount it in a folder in your home dir
[01:25] <jwill_> If you're booting with it.  Otherwise you'd have to do it manually?
[01:26] <jwill_> coreyB: Wait, do you just mean set the contents to 777 recursively, not the drive itself?
[01:26] <coreyB> everything
[01:26] <coreyB> on the driver
[01:26] <jwill_> coreyB: Filesystem?
[01:26] <coreyB> drive*
[01:26] <coreyB> ntfs
[01:27] <jwill_> coreyB: ntfs doesn't support real permissions
[01:27] <coreyB> OO
[01:27] <Daughain> coreyB,   What ya need?
[01:27] <coreyB> ok this is gonne be long to explain
[01:27] <jwill_> coreyB: They have windows permissions, but I don't know of a linux util that ca change those.
[01:28] <surfergirl> hi
[01:28] <jwill_> coreyB: I think setattr is the DOS command to change windows permissions, but I might be wrong
[01:28] <Daughain> Monring, surfergirl
[01:29] <Daughain> One misspelling and they run away....
[01:29] <coreyB> i tried the crossover channel to install crossover games on my external hard drive, worked fine, then i had to symlink something so that everything i installed within crossover would stay on my external HDD, then when i launched crossover it said i didn't have owners permission
[01:29] <jwill_> coreyB: And your external drive is NTFS formatted?
[01:29] <coreyB> yes
[01:30] <jschall_> jwill_: sorry, had a phone call. anyway, it works if i drag it into dolphin on my home directory. it DOESNT work if i drag it into dolphin on desktop:
[01:30] <jwill_> jschall_: Check the permissions on your desktop
[01:30] <jwill_> jschall_: directory
[01:31] <jwill_> coreyB: I'm pretty sure NTFS doesn't have any linux permissions, but crossover might read windows permissions, or something?
[01:31] <jschall_> jwill_: kde doesn't seem to use ~/Desktop, though. anyway, drwx-xr-x
[01:31] <jwill_> jschall_: Wait, what?
[01:32] <Daughain> coreyB,  I dont know of any way to reset the permissions wihtout reformatting to ext3....
[01:32] <jschall_> jwill_: oh, i guess it does. yeah, i can drag it into ~/Desktop and it works
[01:32] <jwill_> jschall_: But not when Dolpin is actually in ~/Desktop?  Weeeird
[01:33] <Daughain> IS it a bought external, or a 3.5 with a housing?
[01:33] <jschall_> jwill_: just cant drag it into the widget or into the desktop: folder that opens in dolphin when i right click the widget and click "open with dolphin"
[01:33] <coreyB> Daughain:  okie dokie, lemme copy over this 6 gb archive file lol
[01:33] <CrissiD> ok..  im having audio issues after suspend and resume
[01:33] <Daughain> coreyB,  I dont wana hear it, I'm usualy looking at at least 100G when I need to copy. :P
[01:34] <CrissiD> have to reboot to get the audio back
[01:34] <CrissiD> ive tried killing kmix
[01:34] <jwill_> coreyB: You probably know reformatting it will delete everything, but I thought I'd warn you just in case...
[01:34] <jschall_> jwill_: yes, i can drag into dolphin when dolphin is on ~/Desktop, just not when dolphin is pointed to desktop: like it is when i right click the widget and hit "open with dolphin"
[01:34] <CrissiD> and restarting it
[01:34] <CrissiD> but didnt work
[01:34] <jschall_> jwill_: that's weird =/
[01:34] <coreyB> indeed i do :P
[01:34] <Wei> question, how do I change mouse's speed for KDE 4.3.4?
[01:35] <jwill_> Wei: System Settings --> Mouse
[01:35] <jschall_> jwill_: fixed the problem
[01:35] <Daughain> Yea, well, my next step is 1T on the LAN, and I need to keeo it NTFS for the one windows box I got.
[01:35] <jschall_> jwill_: widgets were locked
[01:35] <jwill_> jschall_: ?
[01:35] <jwill_> jschall_: Lol, I guess.  But why would that affect it?
[01:35] <jschall_> jwill_: dunno but it did
[01:35] <jwill_> jschall_: I can drag menu items in with locked widgets.
[01:36] <jschall_> jwill_: well, maybe it was a fluke
[01:36] <jwill_> jschall_: You should probably report that as a bug.  If you can get it to happen again.
[01:36] <coreyB> okie dokie Daughain give me about 4  minutes so you can help me :P
[01:36] <jschall_> yeah i will
[01:36] <CrissiD> any ideas as to what to try next
[01:36] <Daughain> coreyB,    I can try to help....My advice being worth what ya pay for it.
[01:36] <jwill_> :D
[01:37] <jwill_> You might even say it's worth less than that.
[01:37] <Daughain> jwill;   :P:p:P
[01:37]  * Daughain grins.
[01:37]  * coreyB grins
[01:38] <Wei> jwill_: I have keyboard & mouse under systemsettings.
[01:38] <coreyB> 3 gb to go, then i gotta wait 5 minutes to download crossover
[01:38] <jwill_> Wei: Right, that's it.
[01:38] <Daughain> Lemme get a movie going, CrissiD
[01:39] <Daughain> Dammm....I need an ipod or iphone to tinker with again....
[01:40] <Daughain> CrissiD,   What was going on when the sound stopped?
[01:40] <jwill_> CrissiD: I gave up trying to make suspend behave properly under linux.
[01:40] <jwill_> It always breaks something
[01:41] <CrissiD> usually am watching a video or some sort of flash..   but its not just flash that doesnt have sound when i get back up and runnings.. its everything..   then it pops back on as soon as i hit the reboot button
[01:41] <CrissiD> so i get to hear the pretty goodbye jingle of kubuntu
[01:41] <CrissiD> lol
[01:41] <jwill_> CrissiD: Hmm.   I didn't think they would use numbers instead of GUI slide bars for mouse speed setting
[01:42] <CrissiD> ive checked that as well, no mutation is going.
[01:43] <Daughain> You on a laptop, CrissiD ?
[01:43] <CrissiD> desktop
[01:44] <JonathanD> It seems to me like something is grabbing sound and gets released when she reboots.
[01:44] <Daughain> OK, I know tere is a bug in the swap partitions that can cayuse sspend issues on laptops......Not sure if it affects desktops too, though, it might.
[01:44] <Daughain> Not sure of a fix out for it yet either.
[01:44] <jwill_> Wei: Sliders would make sense.  Given how often peopel want to adjust mouse speeds, that interface is waaaay too arcane.
[01:44] <JonathanD> (I'm CrissiD's husband, and sitting next to her)
[01:44] <CrissiD> he's way more tech advanced than I am , for sure.
[01:44] <JonathanD> sound comes back just as she reboots it.
[01:45] <jwill_> JonathanD: You're sure it's not just that system sounds work, while flash, etc don't?
[01:45] <Daughain> JonathanD,   See my comment on the swap part.
[01:45] <Wei> en and that is gonna confuse the hell out of newbies
[01:45] <coreyB> hey Daughain how do i format it as ext3? (im on kubuntu 9.10)
[01:45] <jwill_> Wei: File a usability bug?
[01:45] <JonathanD> jwill_: seems not to me. No sounds work included other appliations.
[01:46] <JonathanD> Daughain: SOmething in launchpad for it?
[01:46] <Daughain> Ummm....Gparted
[01:46] <Daughain> JonathanD,  I don;t know of a fix yet. Last I heard ya just had to live with it.
[01:46] <coreyB> okie dokie brb, coffee
[01:46] <CrissiD> fun
[01:46] <CrissiD> its a pita
[01:46] <CrissiD> for sure
[01:47] <JonathanD> Daughain: annoying :) Her PC uses too much juice to just leave running :)
[01:47] <Daughain> JonathanD,   Unless you know a developer. =)
[01:47]  * Daughain nods..
[01:47] <maco> someone asked for a developer?
[01:47] <JonathanD> Heh, I know a few ;)
[01:47] <maco> oh. flash. ugh.
[01:48] <Daughain> maco;  JonathanD   could use some help.
[01:48] <Daughain> lol
[01:48] <CrissiD> well when we first installed the upgrade, the flash wasnt working,  but got the fix for that and it works great
[01:48] <JonathanD> maco: my wifes PC loses sound when it suspends. Works again after a reboot. Also plays the shutdown sound.
[01:48] <CrissiD> but the suspend issue is the problem
[01:48] <maco> if my laptop weren't broken, i could tell you the command to kill all applications currently using audio then reload sound drivers...which is a workaround for when flash hogs the sound card
[01:48] <maco> JonathanD: that's a broken driver then
[01:49] <maco> ubuntu-bug linux
[01:49] <JonathanD> it's an AC97
[01:49] <JonathanD> I believe.
[01:49] <JonathanD> probably intel
[01:49] <maco> try linux-backports-modules-alsa-karmic-generic if youre on 9.10
[01:49] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[01:49] <maco> intel and ac97 are two different specs
[01:49] <maco> that package will get you a newer sound driver which *may* have a quirk for your hardware
[01:49] <jwill_> Hello phoenix_.
[01:49] <maco> if not, "ubuntu-bug linux" to file a bug about it
[01:50] <maco> i really need to learn to fix audio bugs
[01:50] <JonathanD> thanks maco
[01:50] <Daughain> If I was at girls system., I owuld have some questions for ya, maco.
[01:50] <JonathanD> maco: audio bugs are probably the most annoying thing around.
[01:50] <maco> will pester flatmate to teachme when i get home from holiday
[01:50] <maco> Daughain: what about girls?
[01:50] <coreyB> alright
[01:50] <JonathanD> They make us look bad ;)
[01:50] <coreyB> Daughain:  should i do ext3?
[01:50] <maco> Daughain: oh, your girlfriend's computer?
[01:50] <Daughain> maco my girls computer is doing some strange things with sound..... But..
[01:51] <Daughain> coreyB,   ext3..Ya. Linux format. I forget the name of the newer one.
[01:51] <coreyB> ext4?
[01:51] <Daughain> no..Reis...something.
[01:51] <coreyB> alright Daughain primary, or extended?
[01:51] <jwill_> Daughain:  4
[01:51] <Daughain> I dont think ext4 has enough support just yet.
[01:52] <jwill_> Daughain: It's a filesystem, and the devs are calling it stable.
[01:52] <Daughain> jwill_,   I know its stable, I just dont know that it is well enough known. I'm not sure 9.04 or older support it.
[01:52] <jwill_> Daughain: Which means it's absurdly stable.
[01:52] <phoenix_> i am using ext4
[01:52] <jwill_> Daughain: Oh, right.
[01:53] <coreyB> Daughain:  primarmy partition, or extended partition?
[01:53] <Daughain> And, he *is* talking about portable media.
[01:53] <phoenix_> secondary
[01:53] <JonathanD> Daughain, maco, thanks for the help :)
[01:54] <Daughain> JonathanD,  No prob.
[01:54] <Wei> does anyone have a recommendation of cool looking icons?
[01:54] <Daughain> coreyB,   I;d make it extended.
[01:54] <jwill_> Wei: Oxygen.
[01:54] <maco> Daughain: Reiser
[01:54] <Daughain> maco;  Yeah, thats it.=)
[01:54] <maco> *cough*MurderFS*cough*
[01:55] <Wei> jwill_: default == boring...
[01:55] <coreyB> Daughain:  should i check Round to cylinders?
[01:55] <jwill_> Nuno Pinheiro is an awesome iconer.
[01:55] <Daughain> coreyB,   I usualy dont.
[01:55] <jwill_> Maco: Lol.
[01:55] <phoenix_> anyone using vlc
[01:55] <Wei> jwill_: any icon set done by him?
[01:56] <Daughain> coreyB,   I'm also not familiar with crossover, either.
[01:56] <Wei> phoenix_: me
[01:56] <jwill_> maco: Although some might consider that in poor taste :S
[01:56] <phoenix_> i have some problem, can you help me
[01:56] <jwill_> Wei: He's the main guy working on Oxygen.
[01:56] <Daughain> phoenix_,   Mebbe, ask.
[01:57] <phoenix_> i enabled the single instance setting in vlc. when i open a video after another, the taskbar element of vlc does not close
[01:58] <jwill_> phoenix_: Screenshot?
[01:58] <phoenix_> sure
[01:58] <phoenix_> wait
[01:59] <jwill_> imagebin.ca works
[02:00] <coreyB> Daughain:  i formatted it, but i cant browse into it
[02:00] <Daughain> coreyB,   have you mounted it?
[02:01] <coreyB> it says, "An error occured while accessing 'data'. the system responded:org.freedesktop.Hal Device.interfaceLocked." the enclosing drive for the volume is locked"
[02:01] <phoenix_> how can i send the snapshot
[02:01] <jwill_> coreyB: Probably because you were just formatting it
[02:01] <jwill_> phoenix_: imagebin.ca works
[02:01] <jwill_> coreyB: Did you close the formatting program first?
[02:02] <coreyB> no
[02:02] <coreyB> should i close it now?
[02:02] <Daughain> liol
[02:02] <Daughain> It would help.
[02:02] <coreyB> oo
[02:03] <phoenix_> http://imagebin.ca/view/4p9o7UFb.html
[02:05] <jwill_> phoenix_: I've had this problem in gnome, as well.  I think it's a VLC bug.
[02:05] <Daughain> Ok, I need to find a digital readout for my temps. That plasmoid thing fails miserably for my needs... =(
[02:05] <jwill_> Daughain: There're lots of others.  kde-look.org
[02:05] <phoenix_> what is the media player that you are using now
[02:06] <jwill_> phoenix_: I use VLC.  It's not that bad a bug.
[02:07] <phoenix_> ya
[02:07] <jwill_> phoenix_: You could try Dragon, but it's _really_ basic.
[02:07] <jwill_> super double plus basic
[02:07] <Daughain> jwill;   Gonna take a look....
[02:07] <phoenix_> i tried dragon, but i dont like the time seeker and the volume bar
[02:08] <jwill_> Yeah.  VLC works.
[02:08] <phoenix_> i had previously been using the kmplayer in windows
[02:10] <phoenix_> how can i access the yahoo chat room list in kopete
[02:12] <Daughain> Whats kopete?
[02:12] <phoenix_> a instant messenger in kubuntu 9.10
[02:12] <jwill_> Daughain: Pidgin for KDE
[02:12] <Daughain> Ah...
[02:13] <jwill_> Daughain: I guess you GNOME people use empathy now...
[02:13] <phoenix_> i am using pidgin, but why not kopete
[02:13] <Daughain> jwill;   Umm....No....Tried empathy and cant stand it.
[02:13] <jwill_> Yeah, it's kinda lame.  But I think the integration will be used well in gnome 3.
[02:14] <Daughain> I'l prolly still be using pidgin. =)
[02:15] <Daughain> I think what I want to find is a dock that shows the temps and such......Trying to find one..
[02:21] <jwill_> Daughain: For KDE?  I think there's one near the top of the top-rated sort.
[02:22] <jwill_> Daughain: Pretty pretty: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Daisy?content=102077
[02:22] <Daughain> jwill_,   I didnt see a dock stle one yet.....dl'd a couple of tohers to try t =)hough. Still looking.
[02:22] <jwill_> Daughain: Found one ^
[02:22]  * Daughain chuckles.
[02:22] <Daughain> No too sure about this konqueror yet.....
[02:23] <Daughain> Whats that dasiy thing?
[02:24] <jwill_> Daughain: A dock.
[02:24] <Daughain> OK, thT is pretty......
[02:24] <jwill_> Daughain: I use Chrome.  Firefox has a pretty good kde theme, as well.
[02:25] <Daughain> I use firefox, but currently knoqueror is defailt......Havent gotten aorund to editing that yet.
[02:26] <Daughain> Need to try chrome one of these days.
[02:26] <jwill_> It has extensions now.  I like it.
[02:26] <phoenix_> chrome is very good
[02:27] <phoenix_> my fav is the adblock extension
[02:27] <Daughain> I just javent gotten around to it. Chrme came out for linux, and i had to do a couple of reinstals.....Only had this install running for a few days now. =)
[02:27] <jwill_> I avoid adblock, because it kills the internet dead.
[02:28] <phoenix_> sometimes
[02:28] <jwill_> I mean that all internet services and websites are supported by advertising.  If everyone used adblock, the internet would suck.
[02:29] <Daughain> And, occasionaly there is something interesting on those ads.
[02:29] <phoenix_> but the heavy swf takes time, sometimes spywares too
[02:29] <jwill_> Can't say that's ever happened to me ever.
[02:29] <jwill_> phoenix_: Linux.
[02:30] <phoenix_> in windows
[02:30] <phoenix_> i dont know if linux is virus free
[02:31] <phoenix_> i am new to linux
[02:31] <jwill_> Well, there aren't very many viruses for linux, and it's generally more secure than windows.
[02:31] <Daughain> Nothing is truly virus free,, buit, linux is about as close as ya can get. =)
[02:32] <Daughain> Each distro effectively needs a different vrus, which definitely helps.
[02:32] <jwill_> Yeah.  Linux is just as vulnerable to hackers, etc if not secured properly.  The difference is, most linux distros are secure by default.
[02:33] <jwill_> Put this way, every OS is equally vulnerable to stupidity.
[02:33]  * Daughain chuckes...
[02:33] <Daughain> Too true.
[02:33] <phoenix_> ya
[02:34] <Daughain> konquerer definitely sucks.
[02:35] <phoenix_> i dont get thumbnail preview for video files in dolphin. why
[02:36] <phoenix_> the two reasons i dont like konquerer are the new tab button, that is far from easy access and the drop down list bug
[02:37] <phoenix_> anyone using kubuntu
[02:37] <jwill_> phoenix_: Konqueror is endlessly configurable.  You can adjust the new tab button
[02:37] <jwill_> phoenix_: I'm using kubuntu.
[02:38] <jwill_> I'll use konqueror if a version using webkit comes out.  I love the KDE integration, but it just fails at so many sites...
[02:38] <phoenix_> are you using dolphin or konqueror as your file browser
[02:38] <jwill_> Dolphin, but they're pretty much the same.
[02:39] <phoenix_> do you get the thumbnail preview for video files
[02:39] <jwill_> They use the same kpart.  The only difference is in the reduced config options in dolphin, and the lack of webbrowsing.
[02:40] <jwill_> phoenix_: Nope.  Funny, though I saw something about the util it used to render previews.
[02:41] <Daughain> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/thin+system+monitor+crystalclear?content=48340
[02:41] <phoenix_> i tried installing the required libs and still i am not getting the thumbnail preview
[02:41] <Daughain> Thats what I want.
[02:42] <Daughain> If I can figger out where the hell it dl'd to....
[02:43] <jwill_> How about this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/yasp+Yet+Another+Systemmonitor+Plasmoid+?content=94144 ?
[02:43] <jwill_> Daughain: The one you were looking at is for a KDE3 technology
[02:43] <jwill_> Daughain: Which you could use, but would probably integrate poorly with plasma.   Its also the only one I have found that loads as a docking bar.
[02:45] <jwill_> You're going to rue this day.
[02:45] <Daughain> Why?
[02:46] <Daughain> I'm a mechanic, if I had any clue how to make these things myself, I would.
[02:48] <jwill_> RUE!
[02:48] <Daughain> Is KDE 4 also known as superkaramba?
[02:48] <jwill_> I think it's a third party KDE3 dock of sorts.
[02:49] <jwill_> I never tried it back in the KDE3 days.
[02:50] <Daughain> OK...brb, need to go see if I can fix girls issue....
[02:50] <Wei> yasp looks good. :)
[02:56] <jwill_> It's weird... but every "yet another..." plasmoid seems really good.
[03:03] <gatsu> dfs
[03:05] <Daughain> oK, back to looking into that dock.
[03:12] <Daughain> jwill;  Yeah, not too sure about that one, even though it fits wat I need.
[03:15] <Izinucs> I have the Facebook widgit loaded and managed to click the "full screen" link at the bottom.. How do I get it back in the "mini" mode?
[03:16] <jwill_> Daughain: Say "jwill_;", not "jwill;", as it doesn't get detected by my IRC client
[03:16] <jwill_> Yeah, daisy looks very early in development.
[03:16] <Daughain> jwill_,  Ok, I just typed not tabed that last time.
[03:17] <Daughain> Izinucs,  With a hammer?? =)
[03:18] <jwill_> Izinucs: You might need to delete the config for that plasmoid
[03:18] <jwill_> Izinucs: I really don't want to try it with mine...
[03:20] <clicker4721> is somebody on here that's kind ofa guru with kontact and kopete that might bother chatting with me for a few short questions?
[03:21] <Daughain> Ok,none of these are installing......
[03:25] <jwill_> clicker4721: Not a guru, but might be able to help.
[03:25] <jwill_> Daughain: ?
[03:26] <Daughain> jwill_,   Oi?
[03:26] <Daughain> I need more sources for widgets.....
[03:26]  * Daughain grins.
[03:27] <Daughain> jwill_,   I know nothing about kopete. =)
[03:28] <jwill_> Daughain: I meant "what's not installing?"
[03:29] <Daughain> jwill_,   Just tried instaling the two widgets I dl'd and none seem to want to, cant find em in the list, so, I gacve up.  Need to find more sources to use via 'add widget' function.
[03:30] <clicker4721> Question: How do I add contacts using the Facebook plugin for Kopete?
[03:31] <Daughain> I'm thiking the problem is due to most of the widgets I need are karamba based, and not working right in KDE4.
[03:31] <jwill_> Daughain: You need to get them as *.deb to install them, I think
[03:31] <jschall> it'd be nice if you could right click windows to close them in "present windows"
[03:31] <jwill_> Daughain: It's simpler to just use the browser in the "add widgets" window
[03:32] <jwill_> Daughain: Bottom left button (install more widgits)
[03:32] <clicker4721> jwill: Question: How do I add contacts using the Facebook plugin for Kopete?
[03:32] <Daughain> jwill_,   Thats what I was reffering to, but, I only have kde-look showing as a source. =(
[03:32] <jwill_> clicker4721: Remember the underscore (jwill_).  Um, I don't know.
[03:33] <jwill_> Daughain: Yeah, that's it.  Just sort by rating or search in the text box.
[03:33] <jwill_> clicker4721: Does the add contact button not work?
[03:33]  * Daughain nods..
[03:33] <Daughain> jwill_,   Yeah, tried that, and none of the sytem monitor type widgets are even showing.,'
[03:34] <Daughain> I even have superkaramba already installed....
[03:34] <clicker4721> jwill_ yes the button works it just doesn't connect to Facebook or something, because I can connect on the website but not in Kopete.
[03:35] <Daughain> Care to be more specific, clicker4721 ??
[03:36] <clicker4721> Daughain Facebook plugin for Kopete. I can add contacts, but I can't talk to them. Oh! So do I add their email or their name?
[03:36] <Izinucs> Daughain: jwill_ .. sorry it took a while to get back.. thanks for answering.. I found the solution was to "x" the widgit then re-display it.
[03:36] <jwill_> Izinucs: Lol.
[03:37] <Daughain> clicker4721,   There is a very good chance you need to yes.   I would say at the least a username would be needed.
[03:38] <Daughain> clicker4721,   Wihtout a username, no ap can tell if a person is online.
[03:39] <clicker4721> Daughain one logs into facebook with an email but is recognized by all by their name. i just dont know which im supposed to use
[03:39] <clicker4721> Daughain to find them in Kopete
[03:39] <Daughain> clicker4721,    So pick an option and try it? =)
[03:40] <Daughain> Thats how I learned most things in linux. =)
[03:40] <clicker4721> Daughain I guess if that's all I can do...I'll try. Yeah, same here...even though I'm still a noobie to Linux, I do know it's all about trial and error from my programming days.
[03:40] <clicker4721> in Windows
[03:41] <Daughain> clicker4721,    What makes you think I'm *not* a newb? =)
[03:41] <clicker4721> Daughain your talk about making widgets
[03:42] <clicker4721> Daughain one doesnt mess with plasma in windows
[03:42] <Daughain> clicker4721,   Im not *making* anything. =)  If I could, I owuld be doing it, not hoping someone else has made what I need. =)
[03:42] <Daughain> clicker4721,   I have a fast learning curve is all.
[03:43] <Daughain> I just started tinkering with KDE about 4 hours agp.
[03:44] <Deathvalley122> can someone tell me what kwin is?
[03:44] <clicker4721> Daughain I just glanced and saw your talk of widgets. I wasn't eavesdropping. One kinda has to have a fast learning curve to be successful in Linux coming from Windows. Yeah, I've learned a lot more about Konsole in one month than I thought I would in one year. Four hours!?! Great Scott, what is your profession!?!
[03:44] <Daughain> Mechanic.
[03:45] <clicker4721> Deathvalley122 part of the kde desktop manager i think
[03:45] <Deathvalley122> it's eating resources on my pc any solutions on this?
[03:45] <clicker4721> Daughain Good gosh! Working on like Spacecrafts, no doubt!
[03:45] <Daughain> Deathvalley122,   Are you in a KDE environ?
[03:45] <Deathvalley122> yes
[03:46] <clicker4721> Deathvalley122 not use KDE? LXDE
[03:46] <Daughain> clicker4721,   Nope, semis, auto's and such.
[03:46] <Deathvalley122> no kde I am using
[03:46] <Daughain> KDE *s* more resource intensve......What is it doing??
[03:46] <clicker4721> Daughain Well, you sure do catch on incredibly fast!
[03:46] <Daughain> Hogging ram?
[03:46] <Daughain> clicker4721,   Its all logic.
[03:46] <clicker4721> Deathvalley122 I meant try using LXDE instead.
[03:47] <Deathvalley122> it's at 38.8 load time
[03:47] <Daughain> Computrers are a hobby for me.
[03:47] <clicker4721> Daughain Yeah, anything with computers is logic and order and flow. Pretty much. Computers are my life, as I'm still a student. :P
[03:48] <Daughain> Deathvalley122,   How many cores?
[03:48] <Daughain> clicker4721,   So is thermodynamics.
[03:48] <Deathvalley122> hyper threading ... I believe
[03:48] <Daughain> And running 38.8% average load?
[03:49] <Deathvalley122> yea
[03:49] <clicker4721> Daughain Thermodynamics! Hahaha! From the little I know about it, it just says stuff can't just disappear. Hee hee.
[03:49] <Deathvalley122> actually it just now jumped :S
[03:49] <Daughain> Hmmm.....That sounds alittle high, yeah....
[03:49] <Daughain> Deathvalley122,   Up or down?? =)
[03:50] <Deathvalley122> up
[03:50] <jwill_> Deathvalley122: Is KWin is using lots of CPU, or RAM?
[03:50] <Daughain> clicker4721, It doesnt, ust changes.
[03:50] <Deathvalley122> ram
[03:50] <jwill_> Deathvalley122: How many MB?
[03:50] <Deathvalley122> 2GB
[03:50] <jwill_> O_O
[03:50] <Deathvalley122> actually
[03:50] <Deathvalley122> it's eating cpu too
[03:51] <jwill_> Press alt + F2 and type killall kwin
[03:51] <Deathvalley122> I did that once already and I couldn't do anything ...
[03:51] <jwill_> Yeah
[03:51] <Deathvalley122> like it froze stuff
[03:51] <clicker4721> Daughain Yea, that's what I thought. But, if you want to screw with our skimpy understanding of the matter, throw in antimatter, darkmatter, and darkflow. And the fact that our Sol transforms matter into energy. We don't know near as much as we'd like to believe.
[03:51] <jwill_> It's not a good idea
[03:51] <Daughain> OK, I defnitenly need a better sys monitor on this system.
[03:52] <Daughain> clicker4721,   What do you thin the basics of IC engines is?
[03:52] <jwill_> Deathvalley122: There's not really any way of restarting it short of using a cirtual console
[03:52] <jwill_> virtual*
[03:52] <Deathvalley122> yea
[03:52] <Daughain> clicker4721,   Basic thermodynamics, and, thats also the key to higher perfomance of an engine...
[03:52] <jwill_> Guess who just found that out the hard way?
[03:52] <jwill_> :D
[03:53] <clicker4721> Daughain Kinetic energy on the particular level. More pressure on it, more pressure from it.
[03:53] <Deathvalley122> I just don't uderstand why it's doing it ...
[03:54] <Daughain> clicker4721,   Also need to take into account your intake and exhaust flows, as well as any turbulence in thiopse flows......Al factors that affect the whole. Not to mention proper swirl of gasses in the chambers....
[03:54] <Daughain> clicker4721,  You can bump compresion and lose power. =)
[03:54] <clicker4721> Daughain Speaking of chambers, nature calls. Must be going now, and thanks for the intriguing conversation.
[03:54] <Daughain> clicker4721,   Lol, np, see ya later.
[03:56] <Daughain> Why does every monitor I want have to be for KDE3.x?!?!
[03:56] <Deathvalley122> I wonder if it's possible to restart it's resource
[03:57] <Daughain> Deathvalley122,    Ummmmm.....logout? =)
[03:58] <Deathvalley122> more like reboot
[03:58] <Deathvalley122> but I dunno
[03:58] <Daughain> Either way......logout will cancel the current kde environ, which should also kill kwin
[03:58] <webbb82> hey im in karmic and everytime i add a ppa with add-apt-repository  then hit apt-get update i keep getting W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/file-browser-applet-dev/ppa/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[03:58] <webbb82> every ppa i add does this
[04:00] <jwill_> webbb82: Have you tried adding them manually, like you had to in the good old days (4 months ago)?
[04:00] <Daughain> webbb82,   #ubuntu would prolly be a better place to ask about that.
[04:00] <webbb82> im in there but its so busy its hard to get anyone to see what i ask
[04:00] <genii> webbb82: http://ppa.launchpad.net/file-browser-applet-dev/ppa/ubuntu/dists/ doesn't have Karmic as a dist
[04:01] <jwill_> genii: That explains so much.
[04:02]  * Daughain chuckles.
[04:02]  * Daughain has had those days too.
[04:06] <angus> ...
[04:11] <Daughain> OK, I just need to make my own damn widget.
[04:11] <Daughain> jwill_,   How do I do that. =)
[04:13] <genii> Daughain: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/GettingStarted
[04:13] <Daughain> genii,   Thanks, thats what I need. =)
[04:14] <genii> Daughain: The example there uses C++ , dunno if you program at all. If not it might be pretty muddy for you
[04:15] <Daughain> What else is new?? None has written anything like what I need that I can use, so, guess I learn programming.
[04:16] <jwill_> :D
[04:16] <jwill_> Daughain: If you're going to learn, Python is better than C++ to start with.
[04:17] <jwill_> Daughain: Actually, you can do a lot using javascript, I think.
[04:17] <jwill_> Daughain: Which is barely even programming!
[04:17] <Daughain> Dunno anything about nay of those. =)
[04:17] <jwill_> Supposedly you can make a plasmoid with HTML, CSS, and Javascript.  Which is what webpages are made of.
[04:17] <jschall> i'd recommend starting with python then
[04:17] <jschall> or brainfuck
[04:18] <jwill_> jschall: Lol.
[04:18] <jschall> brainfuck is the best language to start with
[04:18] <jwill_> I second that motion.
[04:18] <pheron> omfg niggernet
[04:18] <Daughain> brainfuck, that sounds like something to do in the bedroom.... =)
[04:18] <Daughain> ??????!!!!??
[04:18] <Daughain> niggernet?????
[04:18] <jschall> it'd be pretty awesome to somehow make a plasma widget in brainfuck
[04:18] <genii> Daughain: It's a real language
[04:18] <maco> STOP please
[04:18] <pheron> Yes my current provider
[04:19] <maco> yes, brainfuck is a programming language that looks more like line noise than perl does
[04:19] <genii> pheron: However, yours isn't.
[04:19] <pheron> yes it is 0.0
[04:19] <pheron> just cuz im trolling someone on a VPN doesnt mean i dont ahve nigger net
[04:19] <maco> pheron: please do not use the N word here
[04:19] <jwill_> jschall: You make the bindings, and I'll make the plasmoid :D
[04:19] <jschall> maco: but is brainfuck ok to use?
[04:20] <jschall> serious question
[04:20] <jschall> srsly
[04:20] <maco> jschall: normally the F word is not ok, but im "ehhh" about the programming language's name
[04:20] <genii> pheron: If you persist with the rascism, I'll have to boot you. Last warning to desist.
[04:20] <Daughain> OK, anyone got a link for this brainfuck thing? I gotta see this.
[04:21] <maco> genii: too late
[04:21] <maco> Daughain: google?
[04:21] <maco> on the other hand, this isnt a programming channel
[04:21] <crimsun> oh, Sanford, NC. No wonder.
[04:21] <maco> crimsun: memories of home?
[04:21] <jwill_> Daughain: http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-brainfuck-101.html
[04:21] <jschall> Daughain: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/factor.b.txt
[04:21] <genii> maco: It's late here, I'm slow on the draw tonight
[04:21] <crimsun> (not to stereotype blatantly or whatever)
[04:21] <jschall> Daughain: there's a program
[04:21] <jschall> Daughain: in bf
[04:21] <crimsun> maco: home was nowhere close
[04:21] <jwill_> jschall: Beat ya
[04:21] <maco> crimsun: same state...
[04:22] <crimsun> maco: pittsburg and hurricane are in the same state ;-)
[04:22] <crimsun> H
[04:22] <maco> crimsun: or is this like PA's "alabama in the middle" with post-1950 ideas of racism in the east (philly) and west (pittsburgh)
[04:22] <Daughain> jschall,   Gonna go take a look.
[04:24] <Daughain> I see the reason for the name of the language.
[04:42] <pinkisntwell> can someone help with this error? it crashes plasma-desktop:    http://pastebin.ca/1737844
[04:43] <Guest52607> does anybody knows how to uninstall apache2 when build/installed from the source
[04:43] <Guest52607> ?
[04:48] <danielq> hi, I can't view my DVD from DVDrom under Kubuntu 9.10. any ideas?
[04:52] <Daughain> danielq,   Care to be a little more specific?
[04:52] <phoenix_> jwill
[04:53] <jwill_> You forgot the _
[04:53] <jwill_> So it didn't summon me
[04:53] <Daughain> lol;
[04:53] <jwill_> phoenix_
[04:54] <danielq> Daughain: I installed Kubuntu lately. I inserted a DVD which was able to read under winxp before but now not for Kubuntu 9.10
[04:54] <danielq> I see nothing from the DVD
[04:54] <phoenix_> i am using pidgin now, i am not able to hear the voice brodcasted
[04:55] <Daughain> danielq,   I dunno shit bout kubuntu, specifically, but... What app are you using to watch the dvd?
[04:55] <genii> danielq: Was it a data dvd or a movie dvd?
[04:55] <danielq> Daughain: just use file browser. i just wanna view the data
[04:56] <danielq> it is just a data dvd
[04:56] <Daughain> SO, it doesnt mount in dolphin?
[04:56] <danielq> right!
[04:57] <Daughain> What computer?
[04:57] <genii> Likely thinks iso9660 and not udf
[04:57] <danielq> IBM T60 laptop
[04:57]  * Daughain chuckles..
[04:58] <Daughain> danielq,  is it an install dvd?
[04:59] <jwill_> phoenix_: I have never tried using audio/video in pidgin.
[04:59] <danielq> Daughain: no, it is not a install dvd. i tried different kinds of DVDs
[04:59] <phoenix_> oh
[04:59] <jwill_> phoenix_: Ekiga was bad enough.  I don't ever want to go there again.
[04:59] <danielq> Daughain: when i inserted an CD, it was mounted right away
[04:59] <phoenix_> i heard that some laptops are not compatable with some os
[04:59] <jwill_> I shamefully use Skype.
[05:00] <Daughain> danielq, you might need to check your hardware and see if you have the right driver instaled for it.
[05:00] <phoenix_> i tried installing win xp to toshiba laptop . it failed
[05:00] <Daughain> phoenix_,   LOL
[05:00] <genii> danielq: In Konsole, what reports back when you issue command:  grep scd0 /etc/fstab
[05:00] <phoenix_> but , we lost skype cast
[05:01] <Daughain> Konsole???
[05:01] <danielq> genii: it returns nothing
[05:01] <Daughain> Nothing?
[05:02] <danielq> right. nothing returned after typing grep scd0 /etc/fstab
[05:02] <genii> Usually some line like: dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0              would be expected
[05:02] <jwill_> Daughain: KDE Terminal
[05:02] <Daughain> Ummm......sudo grep scd0 /etc/fstab
[05:03] <Daughain> jwill_,   What was wrong with gnome term???
[05:03] <jwill_> Daughain: It's gnome.
[05:03] <Daughain> jwill_,   LOL
[05:03] <danielq> i opened the file /etc/fstab. there was no "scd0" there
[05:05] <danielq> there are only two entried, one for / , one for windows
[05:05] <Daughain> windows?
[05:05] <Daughain> fstab lists hardware interfaces...
[05:06] <danielq> windows was on /dev/sda1 during installation
[05:06] <danielq> i installed windows xp before installing linux
[05:06] <Daughain> Ah....
[05:06] <jwill_> Are you suuuuuure you have a cd drive? :D
[05:06] <Daughain> Good question now.
[05:06] <danielq> yes, i just inserted a CD 30 seconds ago, and it is readable
[05:07] <jwill_> So it's not, for example, unplugged?
[05:07] <Daughain> danielq,   try scd1
[05:07] <danielq> unplugged?
[05:07] <jwill_> It worked in windows a few miutes ago?
[05:08] <jwill_> Daughain: He said there wasn't anything but windows and linux partitions there.
[05:08] <danielq> no, worked in Kubuntu, reading CD
[05:08] <danielq> there wasn't scd1
[05:08] <Daughain> Wait, are you using wubi, or d you have a seperate linux oartition?
[05:08] <jwill_> Wait, so it worked, and now it isn't?
[05:09] <Daughain> Partition.
[05:09] <danielq> i mean CD works, DVD doesn't work
[05:09] <jwill_> Oooooooooh
[05:09] <danielq> yes, i have separate linux partition
[05:09] <danielq> in the file fstab, i have only four lines:
[05:10] <danielq> 1. proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[05:10] <danielq> 2. UUID=49399f01-0b38-48e6-8443-06fca5f3c39b /               ext3    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:10] <danielq> 3. UUID=9EE4A0BBE4A09755 /windows        ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       0
[05:10] <danielq> 4. UUID=e535fef3-8752-4d28-b2c4-b6ffbd0eb1e7 none            swap    sw              0       0
[05:10] <danielq> others are comments
[05:11] <jwill_> ~.~
[05:11] <Daughain> No commenting for any removable media........
[05:11] <jwill_> Has it ever worked?
[05:11] <danielq> i just installed linux a few days ago. it never worked. :)
[05:12] <Daughain> Ummm....Not surprising....linux doesnt see the drive.
[05:12] <jwill_> What is surprising is that it works for CDs.
[05:12] <jwill_> Very much so.
[05:12] <Daughain> No, very confusing. =)
[05:13] <jwill_> Indeed.
[05:13] <danielq> so what do i need to do to make it work?
[05:13] <jwill_> How about we call it a feature?
[05:13] <Daughain> lol
[05:13] <jwill_> You were using too many DVDs anyways.  This is the eco-green-plastic-use-reduction feature.
[05:14] <Daughain> jwill_,   I may need to remember that one....
[05:14] <jwill_> danielq: I really don't know.  This is probably one for the kernel hackers.
[05:15] <genii> I'd recommend something like: echo "/dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0" | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
[05:15] <jwill_> Maybe if we say "If only a developer were here" really loudly, one will show up?
[05:15] <jwill_> genii: Just adding an entry?  Is that healthy?
[05:15] <Daughain> jwill_,   genii is right, I was trying to remember the syntax. =)
[05:15] <genii> Then with dvd in there:  sudo mount -t udf /media/cdrom0
[05:16] <genii> Then see if it's file contents are in that dir with ls or file browser
[05:16] <jwill_> danielq: Do what the genii man says.
[05:16] <jwill_> nice*
[05:16] <danielq> one moment, trying...
[05:18]  * genii makes more coffee
[05:20] <Daughain> jwill_,   That thin-client you said I would rue using?
[05:20] <danielq> i saw that it made some progress. it is reading hard and spinning. but still no luck
[05:21] <jwill_> Huh?
[05:21] <Daughain> danielq,   Give it a few minutes....
[05:21] <jwill_> You mean karamaba, the kde3 dock?
[05:21] <jwill_> danielq: Was it doing that before?
[05:21] <genii> danielq: Did you do the:  sudo mount -t udf /media/cdrom0
[05:21] <genii> ?
[05:21] <Daughain> Ya...I have it ounted and running....Just need to figure out what sensor package I should be using for cpu temps.
[05:22] <danielq> yes, i did two commands
[05:22] <jwill_> Daughain: http://www.techthrob.com/2009/03/02/enabling-hardware-sensors-in-linux/
[05:22] <genii> danielq: Hm. does: ls /media/cd*                show cdrom0 or just cdrom?
[05:22] <danielq> for the second command, it is udf??
[05:23] <Daughain> jwill_,   I have lmsensors installed and was running that fine in gnome.....
[05:23] <jwill_> Daughain: But aptitude is better than apt-get
[05:23] <genii> danielq: For DVD, filesystem is udf, for CD, filesystem is iso9660
[05:23] <jwill_> Daughain: Ah.  Well, I said you'd rue this day.
[05:23] <Daughain> jwill_,   It may just be an issue with the scripting on the theme....
[05:23] <danielq> ls /media/cd* gets:
[05:23] <danielq> /media/cdrom
[05:23] <Daughain> jwill_,    I didnt think 9.10 supported apttude.
[05:23] <danielq> /media/cdrom1
[05:24] <danielq> /media/cdrom0
[05:24] <jwill_> Daughain: Huh?  I've been using it for a few weeks.
[05:25] <Daughain> jwill_,   OK, I said I wasnt sure. :P  I been using at-get for just as long. Anyway, already have those sensor packages installed.
[05:25] <genii> danielq: OK, so when you issued the mount command, the right drive spun? (You have more than one drive)
[05:26] <danielq> yes, the right drive spun. It looked like that way
[05:26] <jwill_> Daughain: This is a pretty fresh install.  Was using OpenSuSE before now.    Recommend then to comment out  the line we added, you can open it with: kdesudo kate /etc/fstab                 and put a # at front of last line in there
[05:28] <jwill_> Daughain: Yeah, I really can't stand anything that doesn't use debian (.deb) packages.
[05:29] <danielq> gennii: ok, it is commented out now
[05:29] <Daughain> jwill_,   Why?
[05:29] <genii> danielq: To see what drive is what, we can manually pop it out from software like: sudo eject -t /dev/scd0
[05:30] <Daughain> jwill_,   And why were you using opensuse then?? =)
[05:30] <jwill_> Daughain: Probably just because I'm used to it.  Ubuntu was the first distro I used, and I used only it for about a year.
[05:30]  * Daughain nods.
[05:30] <genii> danielq: Then we know if tray of correct drive slides out we have right /dev/name
[05:30] <jwill_> Daughain: I was trying distros that were supposed to be better for KDE (Kubuntu is terrible in that was, though less so now than historically).
[05:31] <Daughain> jwill_,   Why not try mint, then?
[05:31] <amstan> jwill_: i had positive experience with opensuse
[05:31] <danielq> nothing happened after sudo eject -t /dev/scd0
[05:31] <jwill_> Daughain: It's not really a real distro
[05:31] <amstan> Daughain: is mint kde friendly?
[05:31] <danielq> genii: what is next to try, scd1?
[05:31] <jwill_> Daughain: Just Ubuntu with a few extra packages.
[05:31] <amstan> what repos does it use?
[05:31] <Daughain> jwill_,    Ah, ok....
[05:32] <Daughain> amstan,   I thought it was....Guess I was wrong.
[05:32] <jwill_> Daughain: Although I haven't tried KDE on Mint.  I tried GNOME, but it felt very unprofessional.  All the stuff installed, and weird little utils...
[05:32] <genii> danielq: First see if it is somehow mounted by the system. Just put: mount                            and see if it shows a line with scd0 or scd1  or /media/cdrom /media/cdrom0 /media/cdrom1
[05:33] <danielq> genii: no, no scd0, scd1 or any cdroms
[05:34] <Daughain> jwill_,   I started with 9.04, al of two weks before Karmic was released. =) So, I tried upgrading, that failed miserably, so, went with a clean install and been quite happy since. =)
[05:35] <jwill_> Daughain: I've never had upgrade work as intended.  I think they should strongly discourage it, at least to warn first time users.
[05:36] <jwill_> Daughain: OpenSuSE does that, saying upgrading isn't supported.  Do it at mortal risk to your computer's well-being.
[05:37] <Daughain> jwill_,   Yea, that would prolly be a good idea. Re-installs dont bother me, so, it wasnt a big deal, but I can see your average windows user trying it and getting seriously upset.
[05:38] <genii> danielq: OK. It's a puzzler then. Should have popped ONE of the drive trays
[05:38] <amstan> yeah.. i hate that as well too
[05:38] <amstan> stop telling ppl to dist-upgrade
[05:38] <amstan> teach them to partition /home and make a script that can handle an existing home
[05:39] <maco> um, why?
[05:39] <maco> clean installs dont delete /home
[05:39] <jwill_> A working dist-upg would be a miracle from on high.
[05:39] <amstan> maco: clean installs crash if there's a populated /home
[05:39] <maco> choose manual partition, choose to reuse the same /, choose not to format it, and there ya go, /home is saved
[05:39] <maco> amstan: since when?
[05:39] <amstan> i have to rename my old home folder every time
[05:39] <amstan> maco: ubuntu did it
[05:39] <maco> amstan: is this a lucid bug?
[05:39] <amstan> idk..
[05:39] <maco> works fine on karmic
[05:39] <amstan> didn't work for me
[05:40] <maco> i did it on my computer with kubuntu karmic and 3 other people's with ubuntu karmic
[05:40] <amstan> idk if i can reproduce it
[05:40] <amstan> maybe it was jaunty
[05:40] <maco> i didnt do a jaunty installfest, so cant comment on that
[05:40] <maco> but hardy, intrepid, and karmic, it has worked for me
[05:40] <genii> danielq: If you put a movie DVD in there, does it show files on it? (not a data dvd)
[05:41] <danielq> no, I tried just now.
[05:41] <genii> Looks like missing udf support or so
[05:42] <danielq> btw, i tried " sudo eject -t /dev/scd0" again. it is spinning for minutes and then stops
[05:42] <danielq> genii: anything to do with "make menuconfig"?
[05:43] <genii> danielq: You remade your kernel recently?
[05:43] <danielq> yes, i did
[05:43] <genii> danielq: Maybe you forgot to include kernel support for UDF 2.5
[05:44] <danielq> on menuconfig?
[05:44] <jwill> Error 5: dependency not met: gawk not found in path
[05:45] <maco> mawk
[05:45] <maco> mawk is the default awk-substitute, not gawk
[05:45] <jwill> D:
[05:45] <jwill> Quassel default bindings
[05:45] <genii> danielq: Yes, when you gave the paramaters to compile your kernel
[05:45] <jwill> Just seeing what it does
[05:45] <jwill> Resuming in non X mode: glxinfo not found in path
[05:45] <jwill> System:    Host jackson-desktop Kernel 2.6.31-16-generic i686 (32 bit) Distro Ubuntu 9.10 karmic
[05:45] <jwill> CPU:       Quad core Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 (SMP) clocked at 1596.00 MHz
[05:45] <jwill> Graphics:  Card nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] tty res: N/A
[05:45] <jwill> Disks:     HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (80.1% used)
[05:45] <FloodBotK2> jwill: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:45] <jwill> Info:      Processes 188 Uptime 9:07 Memory 848.8/2012.9MB Client Quassel [M] v0.5.0 (dist-638987e) inxi 1.0.17
[05:46] <benjamin_> what's the name of that GUI app for modifying hard drive partition mounting stuff in fstab?
[05:47] <genii> danielq: Does: modprobe -l | grep udf                         show a udf kernel module somewhere?\
[05:48] <danielq> genii: i checked "make menuconfig" and found that UDF is missing. yes
[05:48] <genii> danielq: I'd suspect that is likely your problem then
[05:48] <danielq> i corrected it now and need to reboot and tell you the results in a few minutes
[05:50] <genii> That seemed not enough time for him to have recompiled his kernel. Well, maybe, if all the other files didn't need remaking i suppose and udf was the only newly touched.
[05:52] <jwill> Hey, could someone say something containing " help " please?
[05:52]  * genii can't help making more coffee
[05:53] <benjamin_> I need help finding the program I asked about
[05:53] <Daughain> benjamin_,   I cant help ya, I use a text editor.
[05:53] <daverag> Help!  Since I updated my system my clock is stuck to UTC time, I can't even select a timezone because none other than UTC exists
[05:54] <jwill> Thanks.
[05:54]  * Daughain chuckles.
[05:54] <jwill> Yay!
[05:54] <Daughain> I take it a trigger works, jwill ?
[05:54] <jwill> Indeed.
[05:55] <Daughain> Cool.......One of these days I will see if scripting for xchat is an option for me.
[05:55] <Daughain> What, if anything, looks wrong with this line;  text x=396 y=0 sensor=program program="sensors | grep CPU | grep Temp | awk '{print $3}'" line=1 color=255,255,255 fontsize=11 font="Albany" interval=1000
[05:56] <jwill> Daughain: Nothing?
[05:56] <Daughain> jwill,   That was not the answer I was hoping for, but, it was te one I wasa expecting.
[05:56] <jwill> Daughain: I can't get sensors working either.  I don't think it has anything to do with your script.
[05:57] <Daughain> I can get sensors fine via term....
[05:57] <Daughain> But, the sensors-applet I dont think works in KDE
[05:59] <jwill> Same
[05:59] <surgy> can someone tewll me where "settings" is in anjuta?
[05:59] <Daughain> Irritating.......No temps means no kde.
[05:59] <jwill> It might just need a restart of plasma
[05:59] <Daughain> anjuta?
[05:59] <jwill> and/or everything
[05:59] <Daughain> Actualy, thikn I am gonna restart this session and see what happens.
[06:00] <Daughain> brb
[06:00] <daverag> Anyone?  I guess I could reinstall the time-zone database but how?
[06:04] <surgy> can someone tewll me where "settings" is in anjuta? (in order to configure for the allegro library)
[06:04] <jwill> daverag: What's the problem, exactly?
[06:04] <daverag> there's only one timezone in my time/data config, UTC
[06:04] <daverag> since I updated hours ago
[06:05] <jwill> How do you know that... IF YOUR CLOCK WASN'T WORKING?
[06:05] <daverag> I never said it wasn't working
[06:05] <jwill> So, anyways.  That's kinda weird.
[06:05] <Daugha|n> Still no sensors........
[06:05] <jwill> Yeah, I know, just off?
[06:06] <daverag> No it says 6:05 am it should say 1:05 am
[06:06] <daverag> I would normally change the timezone in systemsettings Date/Time, but there's only UTC
[06:06] <jwill> daverag: So here there's only one timezone? http://imagebin.ca/view/PJWarA.html
[06:08] <jwill> It's pretty funny that KDE IRC users are like 90% of the people who use imagebin.ca
[06:09] <jwill> If you look at the recently posted images
[06:09] <daverag> more like http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2012/snapshot1m.png
[06:09]  * Daugha|n chuckles..
[06:09] <genii> daverag: Did you reboot since latest upgrade?
[06:09] <daverag> yes
[06:10] <surgy> can someone tewll me where "settings" is in anjuta? (in order to configure for the allegro library)
[06:11] <jwill> daverag: Weird, that's different from my Date & Time system settings module...
[06:11] <daverag> maybe because I used dist-upgrade
[06:11]  * Daugha|n chuckles..
[06:12] <Daugha|n> We were ust discussing that....
[06:12] <jwill> Ooooh, you're using kubuntu 10.04 beta, or whatever they're on now?
[06:12] <jwill> Baaaaaad idea
[06:12] <jwill> Unless that's in a virtual machine, and you're just testing.
[06:13] <jwill> daverag: So that is 10.04?
[06:13] <daverag> I thought dist-upgrade was all patches, I didn't expect to jump to 10.04
[06:14] <jwill> daverag: do "cat /etc/issue" in terminal
[06:14] <daverag> 9.10
[06:14] <jwill> Oh, you didn't upgrade to 10.04, then.
[06:14] <jwill> That's pretty bloody weird, though.
[06:15] <jwill> Compare: http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2012/snapshot1m.png to http://imagebin.ca/view/PJWarA.html
[06:15] <genii> daverag: Is tzdata installed?
[06:15] <genii> danielq: Any joy with udf dvd reading yet?
[06:15] <daverag> yes but i'll try reinstalling it
[06:15] <jwill> genii: Look at the screenies... his time and date system settings module is completely different from mine
[06:16] <danielq> genii: no, still not. i couldn't find the udf module now
[06:16] <danielq> it is not in /lib/modules/.....
[06:17] <danielq> genii:  how do i install udf module? because i already selected it from menuconfig, and make , make install. it should be there
[06:17] <jwill> Well, that's it for me.  Later people.
[06:17] <genii> danielq: make modules ?
[06:19] <danielq> genii: ah, i missed this command! let me try it.....
[06:20] <genii> danielq: 1:20 in the morning here, I'm leaving soon. Returning in 9 hours for a period of 7 hours though, if you still haven't resolved by then. Custom kernel makes it trickier to figure out the prob
[06:21] <danielq> genii: i still can't see it in /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>/kernel
[06:22] <danielq> genii: ok, i'll try to figure it out. you have a nice sleep. :)
[06:33] <Planetary> well my original Audigy 2 seemed to stop working. so i am using onboard sound now. it works great except you tube (flash) goes quite while vlc is playing. I am searching now. any ideas?
[06:33] <Daugha|n> None here.......I still have one system that cant play audio from flash at all. :P
[06:36] <Planetary> do you have 2 sound cards on the computer
[06:36] <Planetary> ?
[06:37] <Daugha|n> On that one, yes.
[06:40] <devguy> hi where do i go to log a bug?
[06:40] <Daugha|n> dUNNO.
[06:42] <Planetary> Daugha|n: ya flash didnt work for me either when i left the Audigy in there even though I had the onboard as prefered (media system settings). flash worked when I took the audigy out and  told the system to forget about it. maybe have your offboard card as the prefered one?
[06:42] <Daugha|n> It is, though there are apparently some issues going on there.......
[06:43] <Daugha|n> I dont get to spend much time on that system as it is the old ladys.
[06:44] <Daugha|n> And, right now, tyring to get lmsensors working in KDE.
[06:46] <TheAncientGoat> Hmm, sound doesn't seem to work in chrome, nor does my audio-out on my laptop :/
[06:46] <jschall> is there anything like the windows vista/7 feature that microsoft has been advertising to death recently where you can drag a window to one screen edge and it'll fill half the screen? That's a configuration that I do all the time and I've been having to resize the window manually
[06:47] <Daugha|n> jschall,  No frigin clue. If ya drag a window to the edge of a ubuntu screen, it opens another workspace.
[06:47] <Planetary> jschall, ill guess compiz may be able to do that. maybe the group feature?
[06:48] <Planetary> if not i wouldnt be surprised if it shows up someday
[06:48] <jschall> i'm sure compiz can do it but i like using kwin's compositing
[06:48] <Daugha|n> Ok, KDE is different....
[06:49] <Planetary> ok well i guess my sound problem is gone haha
[06:49] <Daugha|n> lol
[06:49] <TheAncientGoat> jschall: Its comming in kde 4.4
[06:50] <Planetary> doooon doon dooooonnnnnn
[06:50] <TheAncientGoat> "Aero snap" is ms'es name for it
[06:50] <Planetary> 9,10 is 4.3 right?
[06:50] <TheAncientGoat> Yep
[06:51] <Planetary> so 10.04 will ahve 4.4?
[06:51] <TheAncientGoat> But you can upgrade to 4.4
[06:51] <Planetary> ohhh
[06:51] <TheAncientGoat> If you don't mind having an even more buggy setup ;)
[06:51]  * Daugha|n chuckles.
[06:51] <Planetary> oh i dont think i should i just got everything working all happy
[06:52] <Daugha|n> Anyone here now howto get lmsensors working in KDE?
[06:52] <Daugha|n> know, even.
[06:54] <Planetary> Daugha|n, is that where it monitors temps?
[06:55] <Daugha|n> Planetary,   Yup.
[06:56] <Planetary> ah, I only have had some sensors on my laptop working in 9.04, then when i upgraded to 9.10 the values got messed up.  so i dont have much to offer. did you try the kde widget? thats what I did
[06:57]  * Daugha|n chuckles...
[06:57] <Daugha|n> The stock widget us uselesss for me,......Installed a 3rd party one, but the temp sensors dont display properly...
[06:58] <Daugha|n> I know how to have it work in gnome, just trying to figure it out in kde.
[06:58] <Daugha|n> lmsensors and sensors-aplet are the installs.
[06:59] <Planetary> ya not sure, I dont know how that stuff works
[06:59] <Planetary> well good luck though
[06:59] <Daugha|n> I just havent figgered it out in kde. =)
[06:59] <Daugha|n> If ya want it for gnome, let me know.
[06:59] <Planetary> i wonder if it has been done before?
[07:00] <Daugha|n> Considering most of the 3rd party monitors I;ve seen are for 8.04 or earlier, so.....
[07:01] <Daugha|n> The kde one just has this crappy analog dial that can barey be read.
[08:17] <Guest40253> how to reinstall firefox!    My firefox born CPU in 99% often
[08:18] <BitchLustig> say me boys and girls
[08:18] <coreyB> hey anyone here?
[08:23] <BitchLustig> bbbbbbbbbb
[08:23] <BitchLustig> I killed my mozilla profile
[08:24] <petsounds> BitchLustig, switch to arora or G chrome :-)
[08:27] <jussi01> BitchLustig: could you please change your nick to something more family friendly? thanks. :)
[08:28] <osos> i have to say chrome was a pleasant surprise.
[08:28] <osos> even the beta.
[08:30] <DeutscheLustig> "~/.mozilla/firefox$ rm -R *"     I performed that command and ...  And one website born my CPU again!!!  Swearing is not allowed in here and we ask that you dont do it.
[09:00] <jussi01> DeutscheLustig: so please, have a read so you know hat is the right way to behave in here.
[09:00] <DeutscheLustig> ok  sorry
[09:17] <hvralpha> can anyone help to get my hp printer installed in kubuntu 91.0 kde 4.3.4
[09:28] <coreyB> the aero snap feauture in windows 7, how do i get it in kubuntu 9.10?
[09:52] <jal> ll
[10:04] <Riddell> bbroeksema|work: you pinged?
[10:10] <bbroeksema|work> Riddell: yesm about Virtuoso
[10:10] <bbroeksema|work> its needed for Soprano, kdesupport
[10:11] <Riddell> bbroeksema|work: I'm told my packages work if you install them and restart nepomuk
[10:11] <bbroeksema|work> Riddell: it needs at least one backend but according to strueg the other don't really make sense anymore for trunk
[10:12] <bbroeksema|work> "My packages" ?
[10:13] <robwlo531> hi
[10:16] <robwlo531> I just dist-upgraded a Kubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 and forgot to edit lilo.conf before reboot. now the old kernel panics when booting and I can't start Kubuntu no more. I know that by using a live CD + terminal I can some how remount the / and /boot partitions to run /sbin/lilo and make it work again. However, I just don't find the forum thread/blog entry anymore where I read about this a year ago. Can anybody help me here?
[10:25] <ubuntu_> thanks
[10:29] <brian_> hi, i noticed that strigi-related files were hogging up lots of space on my hard disk--is it ok to simply delete the stuff in ./strigi/clucene?
[10:30] <brian_> one of my concerns is that when i tried to remove strigi from kpackagekit, various other important dependencies would also need to be removed, apparently
[10:32] <bbroeksema|work> Riddell: With "my packages" do you mean packages for kdesupport, which are suitable for trunk development?
[10:37] <Riddell> bbroeksema|work: my virtuoso packages https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa
[10:38] <bbroeksema|work> Riddell:  Ah, cool did you put them there yesterday?
[10:39] <bbroeksema|work> Riddell: also, how do I install them?  Best of Linux OS's still have sound problems. :P
[11:25] <memenode> and some are getting utterly sick of it
[11:25]  * memenode is considering switching to Windows 7
[11:29] <Deathvalley122> how do you update kdelibs?
[11:33] <ghostcube> memenode: use jackd
[11:34] <ghostcube> :P
[11:35] <Deathvalley122> can someone look at my bug I am having?
[11:35] <Deathvalley122> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=221353
[11:38] <bbroeksema|work> Riddell: The libxml2 package on your page is required for strigi right? How do I install that one in stead of the on I currently seem to have installed?
[11:48] <memenode> ghostcube, uh.. jackd conjures messy images in my head :P
[11:48] <ghostcube> ???
[11:48] <memenode> like virtual cables going all over the place hooking this or that..
[11:48] <ghostcube> yeah
[11:48] <ghostcube> soft patch bay
[11:49] <memenode> yeah
[11:49] <memenode> eh frankly I'm so frustrated by the OS situation today..
[11:49] <memenode> MS finally made a decent OS, but I don't like NTFS, I don't like lack of native workspaces support, I love dolphin and kate and customizable panels and widgets in KDE4..
[11:50] <memenode> but I just hate the fact that under all this beauty Linux is still not up to the task on the very basics of computing, a little too often
[11:51] <memenode> and I can't afford a Mac at this time.. so.. I'm doomed to this mess of trying to somehow merge these two worlds..
[11:51] <karmic> Just wait until rain turn to sunshine,cause I hate to spend, my life, my life, my life, my life
[11:51] <karmic> Duckin one-time
[11:52] <karmic> Just wait until rain turn to sunshine,cause I hate to spend, my life, my life, my life, my life
[11:52] <karmic> Duckin one-time.Please understand my history a man of many acts,Livin Thug Life, comin equipped, with many gatsed.Maybe I was just a Lost Soul, trapped in time,even though we had hope for dreams that never came.Yet and still we all feel pain!!
[11:52] <memenode> heh
[11:53] <fujimitsu> wht do you think OSX is
[11:53] <memenode> UNIX done right
[11:53] <memenode> :P
[11:54] <memenode> and maybe the only OS in the existence that actually works the way a 21st century OS should work
[11:54] <fujimitsu> you sound like a mac fanboy already.. anyhow, thats offtopic for this channel
[11:55] <memenode> eh I know
[11:56] <memenode> (K)Ubuntu is on its way there I guess.. but it's still "on its way" :P
[11:56] <memenode> for like.. a decade
[11:57] <memenode> we always eagerly await the next release thinking this is gonna be it..
[11:57] <memenode> and hell why not.. even if I use Win7 I'm not gonna stop checking it out.. and hoping :D
[12:14] <richiguada> hello
[12:14] <richiguada> I have a question
[12:15] <richiguada> My computer only stay in 800x600
[12:15] <richiguada> How I can put it in 1024x768?
[12:17] <richiguada> eeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyy!
[12:35] <sfmunoz> hola
[12:43] <richiguada> hola sfmunoz
[12:43] <logicsniper> Trying to play a dvd and keep getting this message "Could not open location; you might not have permission to open the file
[12:44] <richiguada> what do you talk logicsniper?
[12:44] <logicsniper> ?
[12:47] <logicsniper> What do you mean richiguada?
[12:47] <richiguada> Who do yu talk?
[12:49] <logicsniper> I don't understand what it is you're asking :/
[12:49] <Vroomfondle> I think they're asking what language you speak.
[12:50] <logicsniper> oh
[12:50] <logicsniper> English
[12:53] <richiguada> a ok
[12:54] <richiguada> Vroomfondle, I have one question
[12:58] <richiguada> Vroomfondle??
[13:40] <skeblow> cau
[13:41] <cheeko> guys i just installed kubuntu im not able to install any thing
[13:42] <cheeko> i just tried installing firefox web browser which is not installed and it says its already installed
[13:43] <cheeko> even search in the software add\remove renders 0 results for every thing
[13:43] <cheeko> please help me
[13:52] <deleteme> how to start vnc on unbutu
[14:02] <Ridikuel> Hallo
[14:30] <wjt_> hjhj
[14:48] <phoenixz> Once having KDE4.4 installed, is there a way to revert to KDE4.3 without install? I have a test machine and I don't want to have to reinstall it, if possible..
[14:49] <phoenixz> KDE4.4 was installed from PPA repo..
[14:50] <petsounds> phoenixz, to my knowledge. you can't.
[14:55] <theseus> Hi, I have a problem with my update from today. I made a dist-upgrade and removed kdepim. Now if I try to reinstall kdepim I get an error for many packages that depends on old packages (kmail, kontact,...) (How can I chose another output language than I coult post my output)
[14:59] <theseus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/351812/ here is my sources.list ans the error that I get (in german)
[14:59] <llutz> theseus: sudo apt-get -f install
[15:00] <Kolia> phoenixz: why would you revert? in case of problem?
[15:00] <theseus> llutz: same error :-(
[15:01] <phoenixz> Kolia: KDE4.4 vs KDE4.3 is about 400% slower on that machine, dunno why... Typing text sometimes is like.. typing 10 characters without seeing any change.. and 3 seconds later, those 10 characters appear.. I now want to start using the machine a bit more and as it is now, its practically useless..
[15:03] <theseus> Are there any other comands I could try, or other things I could do?
[15:03] <Kolia> phoenixz: wow! have you update your graphic driver in the same time?
[15:04] <phoenixz> Kolia: Nope.. Machine is a laptop, Dell D620 with Intel 945 graphics set.. Anything I'd need to do to fix that?
[15:05] <theseus> If I try to install kontact (for example) I get: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu6) aber 4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic1 soll installiert werden
[15:05] <theseus>  perhaps this is helpful
[15:05] <phoenixz> Kolia: Thinking about it.. I recall KDE4.2 having something similar with intel chipsets.. or better, I think it was Kubuntu 8.10.. I had to update the kernel to 2.6.31 to fix that problem back then.. dunno if its related..
[15:09] <phoenixz> Kolia: Anything I could do to speed up 4.4, or to revert it to 4.3?
[15:09] <Kolia> phoenixz: have you tried booting with an older kernel?
[15:10] <Kolia> phoenixz: i had a lots of problem recently with the last kernels
[15:12] <phoenixz> Kolia: mmmm, could always be kernel, ofcourse, but the problem showed up once I installed new KDE4.4, I don't recall it also had a new kernel installed with that update
[15:12] <Kolia> well if you have older kernels still installed and visible at startup in grub, just try older ones in case.
[15:13] <cram1> anyone have any tips for configuring printers kde4??
[15:14] <Kolia> cram1: have you checked the userbase? userbase.kde.org
[15:14] <phoenixz> Kolia: Will do,,,
[15:14] <Kolia> phoenixz: you should report a bug else
[15:14] <cram1> no ????
[15:14] <phoenixz> Kolia: Checking KDE channel now
[15:14] <Kolia> phoenixz: someone might be able to tell you how to trace the problem
[15:15] <Kolia> yep i see ;)
[15:15] <Kolia> cram1: have a look maybe you'll find something there. if not try the kde mailing-list, there are always some help there :)
[15:16] <Kolia> cram1: you can also try #kde.  also try to precise your questions because nobody will answer you if you ask for general help
[15:17] <cram1> i was able to config a network printer and print a test page but after that it stopped working and i can not find any advanced options for my printer
[15:19] <Kolia> cram1: you should really also try asking on the kde mailing list. printing is generally not a popular topic on IRC :/
[15:26] <pinkisntwell> kubuntu messed up my system real good.
[15:27] <pinkisntwell> I had windows vista on it, i then installed kubuntu along with it. it worked first, then it updated itself and broke plasma-desktop. now i see that it messed up the windows installation too and i can't login into windows
[15:27] <pinkisntwell> that's great
[15:27] <pinkisntwell> is anyone round to help?
[15:28] <devilsadvocate> pinkisntwell, it _cant_ mess up your windows
[15:28] <devilsadvocate> pinkisntwell, do you mean you cant boot into windows or log in to it?
[15:28] <pinkisntwell> well it did though, it was probably the resize during the installation
[15:28] <pinkisntwell> if i try to boot into windows it looks like it loads but then it cuts off and the computer restarts
[15:29] <pinkisntwell> it does that a few times then it gives you the option to try to fix the problem, it tries but it says it can't
[15:29] <pinkisntwell> that's just great
[15:30] <pinkisntwell> i just resized the windows partition, didn't do anything else with it, i didn't even mount it into kubuntu or anything
[15:31] <theseus> Is there anything I could try to reinstall kdepim if I get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/351812/ param -f doesn't work :-(
[15:31] <pinkisntwell> devilsadvocate: so can it mess my windows after all or not?
[15:33] <devilsadvocate> pinkisntwell, typically, it shouldnt. but then, i havent tried resizing ntfs from linux in a long time, so i cant say for sure
[15:33] <pinkisntwell> devilsadvocate: so let me tell you then that it __can__ mess up your windows
[15:33] <pinkisntwell> anyway where can i get some help?
[15:33] <pinkisntwell> i tried the kde mailing list and they can't help
[15:35] <Kolia> pinkisntwell: which kubuntu version by the way?
[15:35] <pinkisntwell> 9.10
[15:35] <pinkisntwell> just downloaded 2 days ago
[15:35] <devilsadvocate> pinkisntwell, i'd start by mounting your ntfs drives on linux and backing up any data you might have that is accessible
[15:37] <pinkisntwell> i keep regular backups of my important data
[15:37] <pinkisntwell> so that's done
[15:37] <pinkisntwell> any other ideas?
[15:38] <Kolia> pinkisntwell: do you have older kernels installed?
[15:38] <pinkisntwell> yes i tried the older kernel as well, same thing
[15:39] <Kolia> what if you boot in recovery mode? any error message?
[15:39] <pinkisntwell> no
[15:39]  * Pilum nods.
[15:40] <Kolia> pinkisntwell: try with a new user
[15:40] <pinkisntwell> hmmm i already deleted all the config files for plasma-desktop
[15:40] <pinkisntwell> and it still crashed
[15:41] <Kolia> pinkisntwell: try with a new user
[15:41] <pinkisntwell> you think a new user will help?
[15:41] <Kolia> it costs nothing
[15:41] <pinkisntwell> ok how do i try that?
[15:41] <Kolia> you can reach systemsettings?
[15:41] <pinkisntwell> if you give some way to do that through alt+f2, yes
[15:41] <Kolia> alt+f2 -> systemsettings  might work :p
[15:42] <pinkisntwell> wait a minute
[15:43] <Kolia> then, advanced tab, user management -> create a new user   (sudo adduser username   may do the same by the way, not sure)
[15:43] <pinkisntwell> when you start kde you get a little window with the icons that fade in as each component is loading right?
[15:43] <Kolia> yes
[15:43] <pinkisntwell> then what is started?
[15:43] <pinkisntwell> that's as far as i get, then it fades to black
[15:43] <pinkisntwell> so what runs immediately after that?
[15:43] <Kolia> dunno
[15:44] <Pilum> Hello. I recently installed kubuntu 9.10 on my Dell Vostro 1510 with a GeForce 8600GT and I'm having trouble configuring a dual screen setup. Firstly, if I boot the PC with the external screen connected, the laptop's screen is completely disabled, that is to say I'm not able to enable it in the display settings. Nor am I able to configure multiple monitors there (it claims that "you do not appear to have this configuration"). I've been messing ab
[15:44] <Pilum> out a bit with xrandr trying to do it manually and I've tried with different nvidia drivers (and now without any of them) without success. I've been altering Xorg.conf so it has a Virtual setting of 2560 1024 but this doesn't seem to have any effect. When I call xrandr I get "xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1280x1280 (desired size 2560x1024)" - would anyone be able to point me in the right direction for how to solve this? TIA.
[15:44] <pinkisntwell> ok then how do i change to that user without breaking anything?
[15:45] <Kolia> well just logout or restart and at login , log with this user?
[15:46] <Kolia> Pilum: have you tried nvidia-settings ?
[15:46] <pinkisntwell> i don't get a login screen during the startup
[15:46]  * Kolia has to leave very soon...
[15:46] <Pilum> nvidia-settings claimed that I didn't have any drivers.
[15:46] <Kolia> Pilum: you have an nvidia card?
[15:46] <Pilum> As I said, I have a GeForce 8600GT
[15:47] <Kolia> Pilum: alt+f2 then start to type "hardware" to go to the hardware driver config window
[15:47] <Kolia> try to install latest driver?
[15:47] <Kolia> pinkisntwell: huh? you've set up auto-login?
[15:47] <pinkisntwell> yes
[15:47] <pinkisntwell> before everything broke
[15:48] <Pilum> I have tried installing the latest driver.
[15:48] <petsounds> !envyNG
[15:49] <Kolia> Pilum: from the hardware driver dialog i pointed you?
[15:50] <Pilum> It comes up blank now. Which is hardly surprising since I uninstalled all nvidia packages in a desperate attempt to see if it might work.
[15:50] <pinkisntwell> how can i change users then?
[15:51] <chewale> help me,
[15:52] <chewale> intel gma 500 kubuntu 9.10 acer aspire one
[15:52] <Pilum> Trying the envyng-qt thing now. Rebooting.
[15:52] <chewale> video driver need
[15:52] <chewale> intel gma 500 kubuntu 9.10 acer aspire one
[15:54] <pinkisntwell> how can i change users?
[15:55] <Pilum> That did the trick. Thanks petsounds.
[15:55] <chewale> intel gma 500 kubuntu 9.10 acer aspire one
[15:55] <petsounds> Pilum, you're welcome
[15:57] <chewale> intel gma 500 kubuntu 9.10 acer aspire one
[15:57]  * Kolia is leaving a moment
[16:05] <theseus2> Apparently I have a major depency Problem on my machine thins the todays upgrade. Is there any way to get a clean reinstall of kde without reinstalling kubuntu? If I try to install kubuntu-desktop I get a depency error with kdebase-desktop-bin (since today I had a kde installation in which i could log in)
[16:28] <shappie> Hi, when i reboot i loose my desktop effects (kubuntu 9.10). I once solved this problem by disabled some check at boot but i can't find it anymore... Anybody got an idea?
[16:34] <pera> o
[16:44] <shappie> I allready figured it out.
[17:01] <deltaray> What is the name of the screensaver process?
[17:01] <deltaray> For some reason I can't lock my screen
[17:02] <deltaray> This is on KDE 4.3 on Ubuntu 9.10
[17:04] <deltaray> Nevermind, I just installed xlock. Wow, haven't used that in 10 years.
[17:18] <joaquin> hello
[17:18] <joaquin> does anybody there?
[17:19] <Kolia> !ask
[17:19] <chj> hi
[17:19] <joaquin> hi everyone
[17:20] <chj> in 9.10, how does one interrupt the GRUB sequense?
[17:20] <chj> There is no "esc" possibility
[17:20] <genii> chj: shift
[17:21] <chj> just shift? it does nothing, i'm afraid
[17:21] <chj> tried both right and left
[17:21] <skiwithpete> hi
[17:21] <skiwithpete> I've just installed Kubuntu 9.10 - but the restricted drivers that were available during the Live CD don't seem to have carried over to the install.  where can I find them again to enable them?
[17:22] <genii> chj: With grub2 you hold down the shift key until the menu shows, then you can edit or select which entry as before with grub1
[17:22] <skiwithpete> basically, i don't know why the restricted drivers icon hasn't appeared again in the bottom panel, but its not there, and the wireless doesn't work
[17:23] <iconmefisto> skiwithpete: hardware drivers
[17:23] <skiwithpete> I've googled it, but no luck telling me how to find it
[17:23] <iconmefisto> skiwithpete: in the system submenu
[17:23] <chj> genii:  ah, thanks!
[17:23] <skiwithpete> thanks iconmefisto
[17:23] <genii> chj: np
[17:24] <skiwithpete> it says no propritary drivers in use on the system
[17:24] <roofman2008> hi]
[17:24] <skiwithpete> how can I get my broadcom wireless to work?
[17:25] <coreyB> you might have to manually download them, do you have a ethernet cord you can plug in?
[17:25] <skiwithpete> it was working on the live!!!
[17:25] <skiwithpete> I don't have an ethernet cable :(
[17:25] <coreyB> oo
[17:26] <coreyB> my suggestion is get a ethernet cord, plug it in the router, then download some updates
[17:26] <chj> has anyone else had problems installing the proprietary ATI driver?
[17:26] <skiwithpete> ok, cheers
[17:26] <chj> my computer suffered an xorg crash
[17:28] <chj> sometimes, after a fresh install, KDE asks if I would like to activate the restricted drivers
[17:28] <chj> what is the command to start this dialouge?
[17:29] <coreyB> chj,  click the start thing near the bottom and type in hardware drivers and hit enter
[17:29] <petsounds> jockey-gtk?
[17:30] <chj> coreyB: thanks, i'll try.
[17:31] <bobu8u89u8uo8uoy> Is there a way to adjust /mute  Flash volume independently of system volume?
[17:31] <jmgartner> I'm running a dual-head configured through xorg.conf - big desktop, not xinerama. It works fine on my login, but not from any ather logins. It gets jacked and has to be reconfigured after someone else logs in. any ideas how to make it work across all logins?
[17:33] <rackIT> btw: kde 3x
[17:34] <chj> coreyB: Thanks, I found it -- it displays the ATI/AMD proprietary graphics driver, but nothing happenes if I try to "Activate", any ideas?
[17:34] <chj> the button does not respond at all, it seems.
[17:35] <skiwithpete> coreyB, found a network cable and am updating, hopefully this will do it.  Cheers for the help
[17:35] <coreyB> it could take a while, it has to download em, took me about an hour becuase of my slow download :(
[17:35] <BluesKaj> chj, that usually means it's already active
[17:36] <chj> BluesKaj: perhaps, but it says that "no restricted drivers are active on this system" (or something to that effect)
[17:36] <chj> also, there is no 3D
[17:36] <coreyB> hey BluesKaj do you have any idea how to set kubuntu 9.10 to download lal updates automatically?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> lal ?
[17:37] <coreyB> lal?
[17:37] <coreyB> oh
[17:37] <coreyB> any idea how to set kubuntu 9.10 to download all updates automatically*
[17:37] <chj> i've just startet "sudo jockey-kde -e xorg:fglrx" and I see an outbound HTTP connection, perhaps it's doing it's stuff... :-)
[17:37] <coreyB> typos :P
[17:38] <chj> "it's doing its stuff", even.
[17:39] <BluesKaj> oh sry coreyB , uhm I never tried , I suppose there are scripts that one can create .sh to run in /etc/init.d  and update rc.d , but I just update after every login
[17:46] <iconmefisto> chj: you should use kdesudo for gui programs
[17:46] <coreyB> does anyone record with gtk-recordmydesktop?
[17:47] <iconmefisto> chj: there's also jockey-text, which can be less troublesome than the gui
[17:47] <Kolia> coreyB: i did it some day, why?
[17:48] <coreyB> Kolia,  well i wanted to record a video which i did, with sound etc, and i started playing a game, but the game was moving way to fast on the video
[17:48] <coreyB> any idea how to fix it, Kolia?
[17:48] <Kolia> coreyB: well i never managed to get good quality from it :/
[17:48] <coreyB> oh i get great quality lol
[17:49] <Kolia> just the speed is wrong?
[17:49] <coreyB> yuppers
[17:49] <coreyB> so the video was moving WAY to fast, and the audio and video were out of sync
[17:49] <coreyB> i tried with 22 fps, video moved way to fast, tried with 16, still moved to fast
[17:49] <Kolia> coreyB: maybe check the option of recordmydesktop?
[17:50] <Kolia> gtk-recordmydesktop is just the GUI for recordmydesktop command tool
[17:54] <|sysop|> hi
[17:55] <|sysop|> I got a cheap 2.4 ghx keybaord from micro center ($10) and the keyboard works, the mouse works, but the multimedia keys dont.
[17:56] <|sysop|> I tried xev and I dont get anything when I press them, plenty of codes when I press any key but those
[17:56] <|sysop|> any idea?
[17:56] <|sysop|> s
[18:02] <skiwithpete> coreyB, thanks again for the help, it found the drivers, and is now working 100%
[18:06] <shappie> Anybody got an idea why if i get a notification (for updates of kopete for example) the text doesn't fit the button?
[18:06] <coreyB> oo :)
[18:07] <jwill> shappie: Screenshot?
[18:07] <shappie> So if i get an update notification and i want to click on the view & update button (or something like that), the bottom of the text in de button disappears.
[18:07] <shappie> jwill, i will try to make on ;)
[18:07] <WilliamBuell> I have Ubuntu 9.10 - the DVD draw insists on remaining open. If I close it, it will pop open after a minute. When I power down and reboot, It may stay shut for a day, but suddenly problem is back. I can live with it. But it is puzzling
[18:08] <jwill> WilliamBuell: Lol...
[18:08] <shappie> Wow thats a weird problem.
[18:08] <WilliamBuell> really, indeed weird!
[18:09] <WilliamBuell> i mean, i leave the computer on 24/7 .. it works fine... an i could leave the drawer open... but it is so puzzling... must be some simple solution
[18:09] <jwill> WilliamBuell: I've had a problem where it tries to close as soon as I open it.  Trying to take discs out feels like feeding a shark.
[18:09] <shappie> jwill: lol
[18:09] <shappie> Does KDE got a simple image editor?
[18:09] <jwill> Gwenview for photos, kinda
[18:09] <WilliamBuell> jwill:  i had that shark problem initially during attempts to install... but not once installation was complete
[18:09] <shappie> Ok.
[18:09] <genii> WilliamBuell: If you did something like use the old paper-clip trick to forcibly remove a disc once, the drive sometimes gets confused as to it's tray state.
[18:10] <jwill> I used kolourpaint in kde 3 for a MSpaint-like program
[18:10] <WilliamBuell> i never had to do that paperclip trick
[18:10] <WilliamBuell> what, is there a reset pinhole
[18:10] <shappie> jwill: I wish to blur something on the screenshot. Looks like gwenview can't do that?
[18:10] <jwill> Maybe if you did that, it would be confused, but in the right way?
[18:10] <WilliamBuell> where would i stick the paperclip
[18:11] <jwill> shappie: For blurring, you probably need something like the gimp.  I'd just erase it. Or draw a black square over it.
[18:11] <genii> WilliamBuell: There is on most drives a small hole you can stick a straightened out paperclip and it releases discs (when the drive is powered off)
[18:12] <genii> The hole is usually below the tray and most often to the right side
[18:14] <shappie> jwill: I got a good screenshot now, you got a good site to upload it?
[18:14] <jwill> imagebin.ca
[18:14] <jwill> the pastebin plasmoid also does images
[18:14] <jwill> fast
[18:15] <shappie> http://i47.tinypic.com/10opi7a.png
[18:15] <shappie> i found this one :)
[18:15] <shappie> you see the text: "chat" in the notification box?
[18:15] <jwill> shappie: Looks like a theme thing
[18:16] <shappie> Its not a kopete problem because the update notifier does the same (file transfer info to...) so it looks like its a problem with kde (or my pc).
[18:16] <WilliamBuell> i dont see any holes, but i just inserted an old driver cd with ethernet drivers, and it took it and opened a directory window.... so that will keep it closed
[18:16] <shappie> jwill: ok.
[18:16] <shappie> I'm using glassified plasma theme.
[18:16] <WilliamBuell> thanks for the offers of advice
[18:16] <jwill> shappie:  try a diff one and see if it fixes it
[18:17] <shappie> I'm going to check it right away!
[18:18] <shappie> The default Air theme buttons are fine!
[18:19] <jwill> You might be able to set notifications to use one theme, and everything else use glassified
[18:19] <jwill> System Settings --> Advanced tab --> Desktop Theme Details
[18:19] <shappie> I will look there, thank you!
[18:19] <jwill> Make sure to set plasma theme to (customized) after changing that
[18:19] <jwill> And I've got to go.  Hope it works.
[18:27] <Planetary> How do i get to the login screen? I have auto login on, it skips the login screen
[18:28] <genii> Choose logout from shutdown options?
[18:31] <Planetary> oh ya well I cant do that. when I login the screen goes black in 5 seconds... im left with the cursor. I tried to tell the window manager to use compiz as default and got this as a result
[18:31] <Planetary> i uninstalled compiz too from the terminal
[18:32] <shappie> You can get to a console?
[18:32] <shappie> I guess Alt + F2 or something is the console then type this: kwin --replace
[18:34] <Planetary> I dont have time after i login... it goes black
[18:34] <shappie> Mmm ok.
[18:34] <fujimitsu> boot in recovery mode
[18:35] <Planetary> if i log into terminal it cant cennect to x server
[18:35] <Planetary> ok how do i do that again? f2 at grub?
[18:35] <fujimitsu> you can start X from terminal by typing kdm start
[18:35] <shappie> In grub you should ha a recovery option.
[18:36] <fujimitsu> on grub2, while booting press shift
[18:36] <Planetary> ok thanks ill try that now
[18:36] <fujimitsu> press and hold .. btw
[18:38] <Planetary> in root kdm start doesnt do anything
[18:39] <Planetary> ill try recovery mode
[18:39] <Planetary> ok in recovery mode
[18:39] <fujimitsu> drop to root shell
[18:41] <shappie> Is there a good tool to map my mouse keys?
[18:41] <shappie> I got an logitech MX revolution with some extra buttons which arent working right now.
[18:42] <Planetary> fujimitsu, ok in root shell, what should i do?
[18:42] <kevin59> Hello, I'm looking for the konqueror introduction page file to modify it but can't find it. Do anyone know where it is ?
[18:43] <fujimitsu> if you wanted to start X try kdm start
[18:43] <cm> hi i cannot change my default ethernet config
[18:43] <cm> i create one for my own
[18:44] <cm> i am selecting it, it is working
[18:44] <cm> but when i restart the kubuntu
[18:44] <cm> it made again Auto eth0 default
[18:44] <Planetary> fujimitsu, kdm start  still goes to black
[18:45] <cm> and i cannot see the config Auto eth0 in the list
[18:45] <cm> is there anybody help me
[18:46] <Planetary> cm, not sure. someone will help
[18:47] <cm> it is so basic question
[18:47] <cm> where is default Auto eth0 in ethernet connections
[18:47] <newbie123abc> Hi all
[18:47] <newbie123abc> why i can't control HDMI output by kmix?
[18:48] <Planetary> cm, you looked in network manager
[18:48] <cm> yes i looked
[18:49] <cm> but there wasn't
[18:49] <BluesKaj> kmix is for audio , hdmi is for both video and audio outputs
[18:49] <shappie> cm: I can't find a config there either.
[18:50] <shappie> newbie123abc: What videocard do you have?
[18:50] <newbie123abc> shappie: one sec
[18:51] <newbie123abc> shappie: 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[18:51] <Planetary> cm, making a new wired conection and have it set to connect automaticaly doesnt work?
[18:52] <BluesKaj> newbie123abc, make sure your spdif is not muted in alsamixer
[18:52] <cm> Planetary no it doesn't work. When i restart comp. it resetting itself to Auto eth0.
[18:52] <fujimitsu> Planetary: try  dpkg-reconfigure kdm  from that root shell
[18:52] <shappie> Wow my kubuntu crashed (again).
[18:52] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: how can i do that?
[18:53]  * genii thinks about kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec-intelhdmi.ko
[18:53] <shappie> It keeps repeating the last part of the music im listening and its totally freezed.
[18:53] <newbie123abc> BlueEagl1: there is no spdif
[18:53] <Planetary> fujimitsu, i got it to not go black screen. but its eating my processor
[18:53] <fujimitsu> Planetary: you might still benefit from reconfiguring it
[18:54] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: shappie: over Gnome all works fine!
[18:54] <shappie> Anybody got an idea why my pc crashed?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> newbie123abc, alt+f2 , type konsole , then type alsamixer in the konsole , use the m key to unmte and the arrow keys to select the ctrls as well as moving the vol up and down , don't max the vol , 75% is plenty
[18:54] <Planetary> fujimitsu, ok well now i got terminal up and kwin --replace now its all happy. what does reconfigure do
[18:55] <newbie123abc> BlueEagl1: in alsamix. there is no spdif control
[18:56] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj:  : in alsamix. there is no spdif control
[18:56] <fujimitsu> very well then, if you're back to normal now, dont do it .. dpkg-reconfigure gives you back 'default' settings
[18:56] <BluesKaj> look again with the arrow keys< >
[18:56] <cm> is there anybody need dns for his/her kubuntu?
[18:56] <cm> the only one me?
[18:58] <shappie> It crashed again. Now KDE tells me he can't find some of my sound devices anymore. Its my onboard realtek..
[18:58] <shappie> Although he calls my onboard realtek a HDA intel.
[18:59] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: in alsamixer, there is no spdif control
[19:00] <fujimitsu> shappie: are there any options for audio drivers in kickoff>applications>system>hardware drivers
[19:00] <Planetary> fujimitsu, Thanks for your help
[19:00] <BluesKaj> newbie123abc,  look again with the arrow keys, there may not be a vol ctrl , but there is probly a box with s/pdif
[19:00] <fujimitsu> you did all the work, Planetary
[19:01] <DexterF> hi
[19:01] <Planetary> yes but i wouldnt know what to do entirely
[19:01] <BluesKaj> newbie123abc, make sure the spdif box shows 00
[19:01] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: Master >             Headphon                 PCM                  Front                 Front Mi              Front Mi                 Mic                 Mic Boos                IEC958                 Beep
[19:01] <fujimitsu> ;)
[19:02] <Planetary> have a good day all! peace
[19:02] <DexterF> after upgrading from 8.04 to 9.10 volume is too low. master/pcm/slider-in-app all cranked to max, still not really loud.
[19:02] <iconmefisto> IEC958 is the digital output
[19:02] <BluesKaj> newbie123abc, do you have an HDMI cable connected ?
[19:03] <newbie123abc> iconmefisto: but, i can't control that
[19:03] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: yes
[19:03] <BluesKaj> newbie123abc, what is the device connected to the other end of the HDMI ?
[19:03] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: I'm using it as disply, too.
[19:04] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: monitor
[19:04] <ubuntu_> nabend
[19:04] <BluesKaj> newbie123abc, what graphics card ?
[19:05] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[19:06] <BluesKaj> newbie123abc, an HDMI output on a laptop , are you sure or is it just a IEEE monitor connector ?
[19:07] <newbie123abc> HDMI man
[19:08] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: i can hear sounds and to see on display
[19:10] <BluesKaj> if the display has a remote then use that , make sure your pcm is at 75% and make sure in kmix the IEC958 output isn't muted
[19:12] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: the trouble is kmix control doesn't work.
[19:13] <BluesKaj> click on the speaker icon , then on the mixer button in kmix
[19:13] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: so
[19:14] <BluesKaj> then you have something wrong on your soundcard , wrong driver perhaps ?
[19:14] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: i don't know.
[19:15] <BluesKaj> newbie123abc, in the konsole , aplay -l , what card is listed there?
[19:16] <rackIT> I'm running a dual-head configured through xorg.conf - big desktop, not xinerama - KDE 3x - It works fine on my login, but not from any ather logins. It gets jacked and has to be reconfigured after someone else logs in. any ideas how to make it work across all logins?
[19:18] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.ca/1739144
[19:19] <BluesKaj> newbie123abc, in the konsole, lspci | grep audio
[19:19] <BluesKaj> have to narrow it down
[19:20] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[19:20] <BluesKaj> !intelhda | newbie123abc
[19:21] <bentob0x> is it possible to have a different wallpaper for each desktop on 4.3?
[19:22] <hamzac4rys> hi, anyone experienced long wait on logout process ?
[19:22] <iconmefisto> good luck newbie123abc, those soundcards can be a pain
[19:22] <iconmefisto> bentob0x: yes it's possible
[19:24] <hamzac4rys> anyone experienced long wait on logout process ?
[19:27] <iconmefisto> bentob0x: click the cashew (top right of desktop) and zoom out, then click configure plasma (click the spanner button if you don't see a menu) and make sure "different activity for each desktop" is ticked
[19:30] <bentob0x> wow
[19:30] <bentob0x> almost got lost there
[19:30] <bentob0x> k thx iconmefisto
[19:30] <iconmefisto> bentob0x: at least that's how I think I remember doing it
[19:32] <newbie123abc> BluesKaj: which model is the mine
[19:32] <newbie123abc> ?
[19:34] <jwill> ?
[19:36] <SiVA_> what's a decent FTP gui that supports SFTP and SSH keys?
[19:37] <iconmefisto> konqueror and dolphin can do it SiVA_
[19:39] <SiVA_> iconmefisto: konq can do sftp?
[19:40] <jwill> SiVA_: I think you just type sftp:, then the hostname/password info
[19:40] <jwill> SiVA_: In the address bar.
[19:40] <iconmefisto> SiVA_: put in something like sftp://user@<IP_ADDRESS>:22/home/user
[19:41] <SiVA_> my ssh key is password protected... wonder if it will handle that too
[19:41] <SiVA_> (still trying to open connection)
[19:41] <jwill> sftp:username@server
[19:48] <hamzac4rys> anyone experienced long wait on logout process ?
[19:49] <jwill> hamzac4rys: Yeah
[19:49] <jwill> Yesterday.    If you have KDE, you almost certainly don't.
[20:00] <Daughain> Are there any conflicts tween compiz and KDE?
[20:00] <Daughain> That was my next question... =)
[20:00] <jwill> I've heard some bad stuff about it, but I've never looked into it
[20:01] <Daughain> I can always uninstall kde...
[20:01] <BluesKaj> yeah, Daughain I guess  it's morning if you're just waking up , and I can tell by your mood it must be :)
[20:01] <Daughain> BluesKaj,   My mood is always like this. =) Morning, is just my usual greeting, no matter how long I have been awake.
[20:02] <Daughain> 20 year habit.
[20:02] <jwill> Daughain: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=78831
[20:02] <BluesKaj> compiz and kde seem to be fairly compatible , but I guess it depends what effects you like
[20:03] <jwill> If you want windows that wobble... I guess compiz is the way to go.
[20:03] <Daughain> If my graphics is u to it, I wanna see what all compiz has.....If my graphics isnt, well, not gonna bother.
[20:03] <jwill> You could just enable desktop effects in kde.  It's mostly on par with compiz.
[20:04] <jwill> Oh right, it's even got wobbly windows now.  Most useless effect ever...
[20:04] <Daughain> But, whats the fun in that? I have a new toy, I wanna play withit. =)
[20:04] <mediaprodigy> Is Kubuntu better than Ubuntu? Why?
[20:04] <BluesKaj> wobbly windows doesn't require compiz
[20:04] <genii> !better
[20:04] <Daughain> mediaprodigy,   Better question is, what are the differences, other then KDE being pre-installed. =)
[20:04] <jwill> Lots of people prefer KDE to GNOME.  Ubuntu uses GNOME, Kubuntu uses KDE.
[20:05] <jwill> Nice, genii.
[20:05] <mediaprodigy> is this just a graphical difference..
[20:05] <Daughain> If you are used to gnome, you may take a bit to get orietned in kde......Took me a few hours to adapt.
[20:06] <BluesKaj> if you like the cube revolve effect , use compiz
[20:06] <jwill> Well.  KDE SC is a bunch of software with a different design philosophy than Gnome, and stuff.  http://www.kde.org/whatiskde/
[20:06] <Daughain> BluesKaj,   Thats what I wanna see.)
[20:07] <Daughain> See ya in a bit, kidz, time to go do stuff.
[20:07] <jwill> BluesKaj: KDE does have that effect... but I think it's got some issues.
[20:07] <BluesKaj> whiz bang effects to impress windows users :)
[20:07] <jwill> :D
[20:07] <BluesKaj> jwill, really ? din't realize that
[20:08] <mediaprodigy> i once heard someone say if you want KDE use windows.. i do not understand why they said that?
[20:08] <jwill> BluesKaj: Yup.  Desktop -> Desktop Effects -> All Effects -> Desktop Cube
[20:08] <planetary> will gnome screensaver work in kscreensaver? i loaded k screensaver with teh extras from x screensaver and there isnt much
[20:08] <jwill> mediaprodigy: People used to say KDE3 was a windows clone.  Now those people say it's a mac clone.  Truth is, it's really not.  At all.
[20:09] <coreyB> jwill,  whats a good dvd player?
[20:09] <mediaprodigy> i just finished installing ubuntu then someone mentioned kubuntu..
[20:09] <mediaprodigy> so i have been curious
[20:09] <coreyB> aahha
[20:10] <jwill> planetary: There are lots more if you install kscreensaver
[20:10] <jwill> planetary: They're just not included with kubuntu for some inane reason.
[20:10] <jwill> coreyB: VLC
[20:10] <coreyB> yeah
[20:10] <coreyB> i just realized VLC.
[20:10] <jwill> :D
[20:11] <iconmefisto> smplayer is not bad too (mplayer frontend)
[20:11] <BluesKaj> yeah jwill , I found it but i don't get the cube effect just revolving flat panel
[20:13] <planetary> jwill, i seem to have kscreensaver installed.  along with xsavers and xsaversextra
[20:15] <jwill> BluesKaj: Not enough desktops :D
[20:16] <planetary> jwill, and there is like 10-15 things, i know there is more. My xubuntu computer has a ton not sure where they came from...
[20:16] <jwill> planetary: Weird.    Did you just install it?
[20:16] <planetary> yes
[20:16] <jwill> planetary: Oh, you do have them.
[20:16] <jwill> planetary: You probably want an xscreensaver screensaver... don't think it plays well with kscreensaver
[20:17] <planetary> ok worth a shot.
[20:17] <jwill> planetary: It should be under Settings on Kickoff
[20:17] <planetary> yep
[20:17] <jwill> Since you have it installed
[20:18] <ward__> Hello I'm having some problems with my sound. somethimes it's working and sometimes not... always need to reboot until it works
[20:18] <BluesKaj> jwill, got it , 4 desktops it is :)
[20:18] <jwill> BluesKaj: I have three.  Triangular prism ftw.
[20:18] <BluesKaj> hehe
[20:19] <jwill> ward__: Does it stop working after suspend?
[20:19] <planetary> jwill: do i want xscreensaver or xscreensaver gl. gl right?
[20:19] <mediaprodigy> so everyone here chose Kubuntu just because?
[20:19] <ward__> jwill: not noticed before
[20:19] <mediaprodigy> they liked KDE
[20:20] <ward__> jwill: what can I do to find out my problem?
[20:20] <BluesKaj> mediaprodigy, kubuntu has better eye candy IMO , and gnome is more cartooney looking
[20:21] <mediaprodigy> graphics is the only difference i have been able to see from just looking at the too
[20:21] <planetary> i concur
[20:21] <planetary> xfce and gnome for me
[20:21] <mediaprodigy> BluesKaj: i was wondering if there was a strategic advantage
[20:21] <planetary> i mean kfce and kde
[20:22] <jwill> mediaprodigy: Um.  No.  KDE is more configurable, better integrated, buggier, has nepomuk, etc etc
[20:22] <BluesKaj> strategic ? for desktops ? ...hmm , kde is more verstaile I think
[20:22] <jwill> ward__: Well, can you tell me more?
[20:22] <planetary> jwill do i want xscreensaver gl?
[20:23] <jwill> planetary: Huh?
[20:23] <ward__> jwill: looks like it is a problem with amarok
[20:23] <ward__> jwill: flash videos give sound
[20:23] <jwill> ward__: But amarok doesn't?
[20:23] <SiVA_> any reason why konqueror and krusader are not reading settings from my .ssh/config file? These config settings are ready properly when I use ssh from the command line...
[20:23] <planetary> jwill: there is a choice between xscreeensaver and xscreensaver gl. gl is for kde right?
[20:24] <jwill> ward__: So the songs play, etc, but there isn't any sound?
[20:24] <iconmefisto> planetary: gl will look fancier
[20:24] <ward__> jwill: indeed
[20:24] <BluesKaj> think I'll relax in the easy chair for a while bbiab , on the lappy
[20:24] <jwill> planetary: GL means it's accelerated by the graphics card
[20:24] <ward__> jwill: but youtube videos give sound
[20:24] <planetary> ohhhhhhhhhhhh ok thanks jwill
[20:24] <jwill> ward__: So amarok never makes any sound, but flash works?
[20:24] <jwill> ward__: Does anything other than flash make sound?
[20:25] <iconmefisto> ward__: do you have more than one soundcard?
[20:25] <ward__> iconmefisto: nope only 1 card
[20:25] <ward__> jwill: I'll try some other program
[20:25] <jwill> ward__: Sometimes flash hogs the sound output, so it's the only thing that can make sound
[20:26] <ward__> jwill: looks like VLC player is giving sound with movies
[20:27] <jwill> ward__: If you're playing mp3 files, do you have mp3 codecs installed?
[20:27] <dasKreech> jwill: possibly
[20:28] <jwill> dasKreech: ?
[20:29] <dasKreech> Ah never mind directed question :) I thought it was general
[20:29] <jwill> :D
[20:30] <Tm_T> hi dasKreech
[20:30] <dasKreech> hi Tm_T
[20:30] <dasKreech> How are you doing?
[20:31] <Tm_T> fine, busy with amarok bugs
[20:31] <dthacker> hello.  I'm attempting to upgrade follwing instructions here: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.2.1  When I enter the "deb" command followed by the URL, it says sudo: deb: command not found.  Pointers please?
[20:31] <Tm_T> dthacker: I think it's not command but line for sources.list
[20:32]  * dthacker feels sheepish
[20:32] <dthacker> Tm_T: ok.  I'll go add it and refresh.  Thanks!
[20:33] <Tm_T> dthacker: np (:
[20:37] <Laeborg> Is there anyway I can get a bash script to send info to an eggdrop and then eggdrop write that on a specific channel?
[20:38] <jwill> Laeborg: #bash
[20:41] <dthacker> hmmm gnupg is complaining about unsafe ownership. owner is dthacker:dthacker  What's wrong?
[20:43] <llutz> dthacker: permissions are not 600?
[20:44] <dthacker> llutz: 700,  I'll fix it.
[20:48] <coreyB> anyone here?
[20:49] <BluesKaj> nope
[20:49] <coreyB> i cant get this dang dvd to work in vlc, or any other media player, (i bought it from blockbuster) and it wont play >:(
[20:49] <coreyB> any ideas?
[20:49] <jeisma> hi everyone. im on a gateway ML3109 and im trying to get my wireless to work.
[20:50] <jeisma> i installed its windows driver and when i run ndiswrapper -l, i get this:
[20:50] <jeisma> net8185 : driver installed
[20:50] <jeisma> 	device (10EC:8185) present
[20:50] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu |  coreyB
[20:50] <jeisma> but when i go to sys --> admin --> network, no wireless card shows up
[20:51] <ilumi> how can i make the command line easier to read (colors for directiories and such)
[20:52] <BluesKaj> coreyB, you need kubuntu-restricted-extras, libdvdcss2 for starters
[20:53] <coreyB> hmm
[20:55] <jwill> coreyB: I think libdvdcss is what you need to play old-style-encryption dvds
[20:55] <iconmefisto> ilumi: look at .bashrc in home directory
[20:55] <coreyB> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 right>?
[20:56] <jwill> coreyB: Yeah
[20:56] <jwill> ilumi: #bash
[20:56] <hansen> any idea why the sun java stuff has not been updated in karmic? (error I get when trying to install the browser plugin: sun-java6-plugin: Depends: sun-java6-bin (= 6-15-1) but 6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04 is to be installed)
[20:57] <jwill> hansen: Just install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package.  It includes java.
[20:57] <jwill> jeisma: What wireless card do you have?
[20:59] <coreyB> working now, thanks jwill
[20:59] <jwill> Cool
[20:59] <hansen> jwill: thanks, and done. Firefox still says it uses IcedTea as java plugin. Anything else I need to do?
[21:00] <jwill> hansen: Weird.  Well, icedtea is just an open source version, I believe
[21:00] <hansen> I think IcedTea/OpenJDK is incomplete, I'm missing the IAIK security classes
[21:00] <jwill> hansen: You could try removing it if you really need the closed source one
[21:01] <jwill> hansen: I should probably do that too, since I have a java programming class this semester...
[21:01] <jeisma> jwill: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20)
[21:01] <jeisma> jwill: when i do iwconfig, wlan0 doesnt show up
[21:01] <hansen> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: iaik/security/provider/IAIK
[21:02] <jwill> jeisma: This is supposed to work with linux: http://hardware4linux.info/component/17400/
[21:03] <jwill> jeisma: It didn't work before installing ndiswrapper?  It should be a last, desperate resort.
[21:03] <jwill> hansen: Try uninstalling the ice tea package?
[21:04] <Daughain> Ok, how the hell do i figure out if my graphics card supporta AIGLX?
[21:04] <jeisma> jwill: well anytutorial i readonline about my gateway ml3109, they all used the same process to get the wireless card to work
[21:04] <jeisma> jwill: which was installing the window driver with ndiswrapper
[21:04] <jeisma> jwill: so you're suggesting i download this driver from here?
[21:04] <jwill> hansen: Do "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[21:05] <jwill> jeisma: No.
[21:05] <jwill> jeisma: The module should be in ubuntu repos, I think
[21:05] <jeisma> jwill: so i can go into adept and download it?
[21:06] <hansen> uninstalling the icedtea plugin package results in a firefox without java
[21:07] <jwill> jeisma: Can't see it.  Apparently not.
[21:07] <jwill> hansen: Oh, the firefox plugin, not the commandline java
[21:07] <jeisma> jwill: Out of ideas then? It worked with 7.10. Im on 8.04.
[21:08] <hansen> yes, the browser plugin, "applet edition" I think they call it these days
[21:08] <jwill> jeisma: Um.  Any reason for being that far behind?  I bet it would work on 9.10 out of the box.
[21:08] <jeisma> jwill: When I tried installing it, my laptop would always freeze.
[21:09] <jwill> jeisma: Gateway laptops are terrible for linux, in my experience...
[21:09] <Daughain> Actually, mine didnt do to bad with the Karmic install......Jaunty was a pain, though.
[21:09] <jwill> jeisma: Anyways, I'm not sure about supporting a 3 year old distro
[21:10] <jwill> jeisma: I barely remember anything from that long ago.
[21:10] <danielq> hi, anyone knows Wireless "Access point: Not-assiciated" problem: I recompiled my kernel and now the wifi is not working. I could scan the access points and selected one. but then internet is not connected. it was okey yesterday before i recompiled.
[21:10] <hansen> hmm, none of the java runtimes I have installed have any iaik jars -- I wonder where I can get that from...
[21:10] <jwill> You could try doing the install from sun itself
[21:10] <jeisma> jwill: so no idea why wlan0 wont show up when i type iwconfig?
[21:10] <jwill> No idea
[21:11] <jwill> Presumably it means that it's not being detected :D
[21:13] <Gremnon> In a KDE session, how would I start the Gnome Services
[21:13] <Daughain> jeisma,   You have hwinfo installed?
[21:18] <Daughain> jeisma,   ??
[21:20] <Gremnon> kind of hate to repeat when it's so quiet... but... in a KDE session, how would I start the Gnome Services?
[21:21] <Daughain> Gremnon,   I would have answered if I knew an answer.=)  The nly way I know is to logout and start gnome from the login page.
[21:22] <Gremnon> well, the problem is, I don't want to start gnome itself, just the services, because Nautilus isn't remembering any file assoc's in KDE
[21:23] <Daughain> Gremnon,   Still no clue, I havent gotten around to settign up my lan on this config.
[21:23] <Gremnon> ah well. guess I'll have to wait and keep hoping
[21:23] <Gremnon> unless I can find the KDE irc channel, but it seems they don't have one
[21:24] <Daughain> #kde
[21:24] <Gremnon> ... now why doesn't that show up when I search for it...
[21:24] <Daughain> That I couldnt tell ya either. =)
[21:31] <hansen> is there still a 32bit firefox package for karmic amd64?
[21:32] <sven_oostenbrink> I am so going beserk here.. I have a bunch of scanned documents as images, I need to increase brightness and contrast for those.. I tried just about every friggin program to do so, digikam, crash, gwenview, can't,  fspot, cant, picassa, can but wont... argh! How can I just simply batch modify brightness and contrast on images?!!?
[21:33] <chj> sven_oostenbrink: I'm not sure, but perhaps imagemagick would work? I use it to batch resize and so on
[21:33] <sven_oostenbrink> chj: Just heard about convert yeah, taking a look at that
[21:34] <chj> i
[21:34] <chj> i'm having problems importing photos with digikam 1.0.0 in 9.10, digikam segfaults.
[21:34] <chj> this is described on the digikam web page: "Warning Ubuntu Karmic contains Digikam 1.0.0beta 5 which crashes while importing pictures, please install a more recent version from updates/backports."
[21:35] <chj> please, how do i "install a more recent version from updates/backports"?
[21:35] <chj> is this something i have to add to the repositories?
[21:40] <mb74> hi all. does anybody know how to redirect an existing X11-window?
[21:40] <iconmefisto> chj: you can add backports from kpackagekit settings
[21:40] <iconmefisto> chj: I think it's called unsupported updates, just tick the checkbox
[21:41] <Wei> hmm question, does anyone know a good program that can add cover jpeg information to a mp3 file?
[21:42] <chj> iconmefisto: thanks, i'll try to figure it out :-)
[21:43] <miki> Guys, I need someone with Ubuntu on Mac, to conffirm this bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/502736
[21:44] <sven_oostenbrink> chj: Trying convert -contrast 150 -modulate 70 PAGO\ DE\ NOV\ 09A.jpg, but it gives the error "convert: unable to open image `150': No such file or directory @ blob.c/OpenBlob/2439." What am I doing wrong?
[21:45] <sven_oostenbrink> chj: according to documentation, thats how I have to specify it, but it keeps giving this error
[21:45] <jwill> Wei: You mean in the tags, or something?
[21:45] <jwill> Wei: Amarok autofetches cover art, as do most modern media players
[21:46] <chj> sven_oostenbrink: perhaps "-contrast150" without the space?
[21:46] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: Could you paste the exact line you entered?
[21:46] <Wei> jwill: Is there an amarok addon that can edit tags?
[21:46] <chj> it looks like convert is reading "150" not as an option, but as the file name
[21:47] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: convert -contrast 150 -modulate 70 PAGO\ DE\ NOV\ 09A.jpg
[21:47] <jwill> Wei: What do you mean by cover tag?
[21:47] <chj> or, perhaps, try to put the 150 into ""
[21:47] <chj> i'll d/l imagemagick and try
[21:48] <chj> you are missing an output filename, i think
[21:48] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: Just checked imagemagic channel, its -contrast-stretch
[21:49] <jwill> Yeah, just saw that in man
[21:49] <jwill> contrast doesn't take an argument
[21:49] <jwill> chj: convert is imagemagick
[21:49] <chj> convert -contrast 150 -modulate 70 765x.jpg newfile.jpg
[21:49] <chj> this works
[21:49] <chj> the newfile.jpg differs
[21:50] <chj> but it still prints an error message
[21:50] <chj> to STDOUT
[21:50] <jwill> chj: the man page doesn't mention an input for the contrast option
[21:52] <chj> ah, right
[21:52] <chj> so only the -modulate diffs in newfile
[21:52] <chj> sven_oostenbrink: oh well, did -contrast-strengt work
[21:53] <wesley> I keep getting error conversion failed in devede
[21:55] <jwill> wesley: Could try #ubuntu, since that's a gnome application
[21:57] <sven_oostenbrink> chj: contrast-strength is not an option, AFAIK
[22:05] <BluesKaj> wesley, more detail , what kind of file are you trying to convert?
[22:06] <wesley> BluesKaj .mkv 720p it worked before
[22:06] <BluesKaj> wesley, converting to burn a dvd  with?
[22:07] <wesley> devede
[22:07] <wesley> I tried to downgrade mplayer and mencoder but not worked
[22:09] <BluesKaj> does devede downconvert from 720p to standard dvd for your tv system , where you are located ?
[22:09] <wesley> yes it does
[22:10] <sven_oostenbrink> chj: well, convert doesnt work either! after the convert, I end up with an equal looking image! Im going nuts here, how frigging dificult can it be to modify image brightness or contrast!??!
[22:10] <BluesKaj> then the file you are trying to run is probly corrupt
[22:10] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: It's mocking you.
[22:11] <wesley> hmmm I guess if that would be case because I have nvidia
[22:11] <BluesKaj> nvidia has nothing to do with it wesley
[22:11] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: No difference at all?  Like you tried the diff command?
[22:11] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: I think its a cruel joke yeah.. not a single program can do it, for whatever reason, so far...
[22:12] <wesley> yes but I use vdpau those from a ppa because kubuntu doesnt have it in mplayer, so I downgraded to ubuntu versions
[22:12] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: the image is different yeah, its smaller.. but visually, it looks the same..
[22:12] <iconmefisto> sven_oostenbrink: tried with kipi plugins in gwenview?
[22:12] <jwill> Or digikam
[22:13] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: digicam crashes on brightness if you believe it
[22:13] <jwill> It should work, sven_oostenbrink
[22:13] <jwill> Lol.
[22:13] <wesley> lets see I will use a saved file which dvd I finshed succesful before
[22:13] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink, paste the exact command here so I can try it on an image?
[22:13] <sven_oostenbrink> iconmefisto: just installed kipi plugins.. lets see what crash comes up now :)
[22:14] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: convert in.jpg -modulate 30 out.jpg
[22:14] <jwill> What about the contrast command?
[22:14] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: convert in.jpg -constrast-stretch 2%x98% out.jpg
[22:14] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: not so fast!
[22:14] <wesley> oh here I was messing my system up, its indeed some file, but which one?
[22:15] <wesley> how can I know which files are corrupt
[22:15] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: Good news, I get the same error
[22:16] <jwill> convert: unable to open image `in.jpg': No such file or directory @ blob.c/OpenBlob/2439.
[22:16] <jwill> convert: unrecognized option `-constrast-stretch' @ convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/1019.
[22:16] <sven_oostenbrink> iconmefisto: oh, yeah, gwenview plugins... batch image processing, increase contrast.. gives me no configuration option, and once I execute, it returns me images that also look the same.. can you imagine Im going nuts here?
[22:16] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: well, in.jpg is an example, obviously you have to put an image name of an image you already have..
[22:16] <roofman2008> hi
[22:16] <sven_oostenbrink> roofman2008: hi
[22:17] <sven_oostenbrink> and its -contrast-stretch, not -constrats-strech
[22:17] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: I just downlaoded a random image and called it that for speed
[22:17] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: ^^^
[22:17] <iconmefisto> sven_oostenbrink: ok, did you try imagemagick gui? display image.jpg will open it. click in the window to get the menu to pop up
[22:17] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: I just pasted your command without reading it :D
[22:17] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: sorry, my bad
 jwill: convert -contrast 150 -modulate 70 PAGO\ DE\ NOV\ 09A.jpg
[22:18] <roofman2008> as
[22:19] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: Your value just wasn't large enough
[22:19] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: isnt it convert -contrast-stretch?
[22:20] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: http://imagebin.ca/view/f9V3PH.html
[22:20] <jwill> with command convert in.png -contrast-stretch 2%x10% out.png
[22:20] <jwill> It works!
[22:20] <roofman2008> asd
[22:20] <roofman2008> hi
[22:22] <jwill> roofman2008: hi
[22:22] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: hey.. I think I found the problem.. my filename has spaces in it.. I escaped those with \ but it seems like convert chokes on those..
[22:22] <sven_oostenbrink> roofman2008: hi again, may we help you?
[22:22] <roofman2008> hi
[22:23] <roofman2008> i need help mu irc
[22:23] <roofman2008> has problems
[22:23] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: when I did it with in.jpg and out.jpg it suddenly worked
[22:23] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: That's... odd
[22:23] <sven_oostenbrink> roofman2008: what are you using? konversation? quassel? xchat?
[22:23] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: it is yeah...
[22:23] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: Paste the command you used?
[22:23] <roofman2008> quassel on kubuntu
[22:24] <jwill> roofman2008: What sort of problems?
[22:24] <roofman2008> suddenly i  find my self dc and my internet is online
[22:25] <jwill> dc?
[22:25] <jwill> disconnected?
[22:25] <sven_oostenbrink> roofman2008: I can already recommend you to try konversation.. I switched from Quassel to konversation today and finally my headaches are gone.. :) No flame to quassel, its just that.. konversation works, doesnt hog CPU, is fast, etc..
[22:25] <jwill> kde4?
[22:25] <sven_oostenbrink> roofman2008: same thing there.. quassel disconnects like every 30 minutes or so, dunno why
[22:26] <sven_oostenbrink> roofman2008: jwill: agqain, try konversation
[22:26] <roofman2008> so i try to say hello
[22:26] <roofman2008> to check
[22:27] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: crap, it really is the spaces! The original file name was PAGO\ DE\ NOV\ 09.jpg (in) PAGO\ DE\ NOV\ 09A.jpg (out)..I copied that to in.jpg, tried the same thing to out.jpg, and it worked! Tried the same for PAGO........ again, and it failed again..
[22:29] <iconmefisto> sven_oostenbrink: what about using "quotes" around the filename?
[22:30] <sven_oostenbrink> iconmefisto: : tried it, failed.. I replaced the spaces for _ and now it converts correctly... for some reason, when file names have spaces, imagemagick convert chokes and does not transform..
[22:31] <iconmefisto> sven_oostenbrink: kolourpaint4 is another option
[22:31] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: Bug?
[22:32] <sven_oostenbrink> iconmefisto: Well, right now that I have found the problem, I think I can fix it with just avoiding spaces..
[22:36] <BluesKaj> iconmefisto, quotes only works in the cli not a gui
[22:36] <iconmefisto> sven_oostenbrink: I just tried a file with a space in it using imagemagick gui: display image\ file.jpg    and it works
[22:39] <Novice> Does anyone know how to get a Belkin N1 Wireless USB TO WORK ON KARMIC?
[22:39] <Novice> sry for caps
[22:40] <WilliamBuell> I am an Ubuntu newbie, but I got the belkin working,... I blogged everything I did step by step at wordpress. Can't remember the details now
[22:41] <jwill> Novice: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsBelkin#USB
[22:42] <jwill> Novice: Not sure which one is N1
[22:42] <BluesKaj> too bad you didn't boomark the site, I've been trying to get my usb belkin to work
[22:42] <WilliamBuell> i just looked at my tag cloud for wifi http://williambuell.wordpress.com/tag/wifi/
[22:42] <WilliamBuell> so, whatever i did is somewhere in there
[22:43] <WilliamBuell> i had to struggle and then suddenly, mystically, it worked
[22:43] <Novice> jwill: yeah I found that site too but I have never used ndiswrapper before
[22:43] <jwill> Novice: Oh, you have to use ndiswrapper?  I've heard terrible things about that.
[22:44] <Novice> jwill: mine is the F5D8051 it says something about ndis+netmw245 any clues as to what that is
[22:45] <jwill> Novice: I think ndiswrapper allows you to run windows drivers.  So presumably you get that driver and run it under ndiswrapper
[22:45] <mauri> i've a problem updating kdepim-runtime-data
[22:45] <Novice> jwill: pretty sure ndiswrapper is standard issue on ubuntu theese days
[22:46] <Novice> jwill: do you think it would be safe to download that driver from say mediafire?
[22:46] <jwill> Can't you get it from the manufacturer site?
[22:47] <WilliamBuell> try putting the belkin in different usb slots.... also try rebooting ubuntu with the usb in different slots
[22:47] <WilliamBuell> i didnt need to use ndiswrapper
[22:47] <Novice> jwill: no clue
[22:47] <WilliamBuell> but, i do know that in the synaptic manager there are different things to install that have to do with wifi
[22:47] <sfears> i wasn't able to get ndiswrapper working with 9.04.. took a while but my wirless card just started working.. i used to have to use ndiswrapper in 8.10
[22:47] <Novice> WilliamBuell: how is that there are no linux drivers for belkin
[22:47] <WilliamBuell> i mean you can keep trying it out
[22:48] <WilliamBuell> i have a feakin belkin working right now.... dont know how i did it, but it started working
[22:48] <jwill> Novice: It's Belkin's call as to wether they want to support 1% of their customers
[22:49] <jwill> Sometimes they just don't support linux users.
[22:49] <WilliamBuell> every step i did during 20 install and reinstall attempts is documented at my wordpress
[22:49] <Novice> jwill: yeah I am fine with that understanably was just wondering how WilliamBuellw got his to work
[22:49] <WilliamBuell> i reinstalled wubi ubuntu about 20 times on windows, playing around
[22:49] <jwill> WilliamBuell: Are you sure ndiswrapper isn't installed?
[22:49] <WilliamBuell> and i did a full ubuntu from cd about 4 times
[22:50] <WilliamBuell> i cant really be sure about anything.... it took me 100 man hours to get the thing working
[22:50] <WilliamBuell> i tried everything under the sun, and finally the install worked
[22:51] <WilliamBuell> if you search youtube, you will find tutorials about usb wireless and ndiswrapper