[01:56] <phunyguy> hey in mdadm, what does "2 near-copies" mean on a RAID10 array?
[03:09] <Patrickdk> it's the type of raid1
[03:09] <Patrickdk> basically means, normal raid1 where each disk is identical
[03:09] <Patrickdk> where far, would be kindof useful for high seeks
[05:30] <kernel13> is there a way to generate preseed file from existing server..just like kickstart file in centos. i need for cobbler.thanks
[06:42] <linuxgeek_> RoyK, looks like there was a physical connectivity issue. we plan to wire the ports and check.
[06:43] <abhishek__> I want to install ubuntu-server in blade that will go for production.Please give me tips for partition
[06:43] <abhishek__> I am planning to give /boot swap and / partitions only
[08:04] <sebastianlutter> I need to install nginx, but I need to avoid that it tries to start on port 80 / 443 while it installes (ports are already used). Is there a way to tell apt-get that it should NOT start the service after installation?
[08:16] <dasjoe> sebastianlutter: imho the cleanest way would be to manually configure nginx to use a different port before installing it, by having /etc/nginx/sites-available/default exist before starting the install
[08:42] <sebastianlutter> dasjoe, very nice, thanks
[10:00] <irgendwer4711>  hello, anyone using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS with openssl/postfix, having this error in log: "ccs received early"? seems to be related with CVE-2014-0224
[10:05] <irgendwer4711> TLS encrytion could be worthless!
[10:08] <cfhowlett> irgendwer4711, might ##linux know more?
[10:08] <irgendwer4711> this is an ubuntu problem
[10:08] <cfhowlett> irgendwer4711, it's a LINUX problem.
[10:09] <irgendwer4711> old debian squeeze hasnt this problem, this use 0.9.8o
[10:09] <irgendwer4711> openssl
[10:09] <cfhowlett> !openssl
[10:09] <cfhowlett> !ssl
[10:12] <irgendwer4711> what are you doing
[10:14] <irgendwer4711> maybe youre right, should write it to #linux
[10:14] <cfhowlett> irgendwer4711, this helps???  http://askubuntu.com/questions/478042/how-to-patch-the-vulnerability-cve-2014-0224-in-openssl
[10:15] <irgendwer4711> ubuntu fixed that, but wrong
[10:21] <irgendwer4711> cfhowlett: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/0.9.8k-7ubuntu8.18
[10:21] <irgendwer4711> there they tried to fix this
[10:22] <cfhowlett> irgendwer4711, I don't have enough knowledge to advise in meaningful fashion.  sorry.
[10:24] <irgendwer4711> mdeslaur: maybe we asked him :-)
[10:33] <rbasak> jamespage: ping
[10:34] <rbasak> irgendwer4711: are you sure your log message is a real problem?
[10:34] <irgendwer4711> yes
[10:34] <rbasak> Why?
[10:35] <irgendwer4711> rbasak: TLS got  useless
[10:35] <rbasak> So you're saying that TLS doesn't work at all?
[10:35] <irgendwer4711> rbasak: in this case, I think so. postfix is sending this mail without TLS
[10:37] <irgendwer4711> rbasak: maybe NSA wrote this crappy bugfix ;-)
[10:37] <rbasak> irgendwer4711: can you confirm that downgrading to the package version prior to the security update makes TLS work again? In that case you may have a security regression.
[10:37] <rbasak> If so, then please file a bug detailing steps to reproduce, and the security team will take a look at it.
[10:38] <irgendwer4711> rbasak: noone of them online now?
[10:38] <rbasak> My only reservation is that it may be that the TLS configuration you have is incompatible with current best-practice (because I haven't seen it).
[10:38] <rbasak> Sometimes the security team have to make hard choices when issuing security updates.
[10:38] <irgendwer4711> rbasak: my config worked well until openssl-0.9.8k-update
[10:38] <rbasak> So I think it's best to first detail steps to reproduce, and then the security team can take a look.
[10:38] <irgendwer4711> wrote a mail :-D
[10:39] <rbasak> You can find the security team in #ubuntu-hardened, but really I think they'll want steps to reproduce to be able to look into it.
[10:39] <irgendwer4711> they just need a ubuntu 10.4.4 tls with running postfix
[10:39] <rbasak> Also, they have a process for triaging bugs to make sure these things don't get missed. Emails and IRC messages don't end up in a queue to look at.
[10:40] <rbasak> Please provide steps to reproduce. Really. See http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html for reasons why.
[10:40] <irgendwer4711> first I try at #ubuntu-bugs
[10:40] <rbasak> #ubuntu-bugs is for triaging bugs, not for reporting them. See the channel topic there.
[10:40] <irgendwer4711> hm no #ubuntu-hardend
[11:20] <pmatulis> morning
[12:52] <bentech4you> hi, anyone please help me to get it work. i am always getting invalid user
[12:52] <bentech4you> i have followd http://www.linuxintro.org/wiki/Guacamole
[12:54] <bentech4you> any help please
[13:05] <ikonia> bentech4you: that sounds like you need to talk to the guacamole people as the auth looks like it's internal tot he app
[13:06] <ikonia> which is the war file you deployed in tomcat
[13:06] <ikonia> bentech4you: I assume you read the part that says "it is not possible to login yet" and you have to go down approx 10 steps to configure the users
[13:16] <bentech4you> guacamole.war file.
[13:16] <bentech4you> i renamed to that . i am getting login page from this. but user is not able to login to that
[13:18] <bentech4you> yea , i have created all config files too https://sourceforge.net/p/guacamole/discussion/1110834/thread/83f6d29c/
[13:24] <ikonia> bentech4you: that's not what I said
[13:32] <bentech4you> yea i configured user also
[13:32] <bentech4you> i have pasted my user conf file on that link
[13:34] <ikonia> so then it's an application problem
[13:34] <ikonia> an application that's not part of ubuntu
[13:34] <ikonia> so take it to the guys who support it
[13:34] <ikonia> more so as you've changed the names of the war files and made changes to the process in that document
[15:51] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:57] <fridaynext> I've got my Hackintosh plugged into an APC UPS.  Is there a way to share that signal with my Ubuntu 14.04 box running NUT?
[17:02] <RoyK> fridaynext: should be quite possible, but then, NUT isn't my strongest side :P
[17:02] <fridaynext> RoyK: I just found a tutorial online that should help me figure it out.
[17:02] <fridaynext> RoyK: thanks though.
[17:33] <Fishscene> Are there any known issues with isc-dhcp-server on Ubuntu Server 14.04 and Virtualbox
[17:34] <Fishscene> err… narrowing that down a bit… The other day, I tried setting up an LTSP server standalone and configured virtualbox with an Internal network. But for the life of me, I could not get it to hand out DHCP addresses.
[17:35] <jhobbs_> use wireshark or tcpdump to debug how far traffic is making it
[17:36] <jhobbs> watch for dhcp requests on your server, if you don't see them there, figure out why it's not seeing them
[17:36] <jhobbs> if you do, figure out why it's not responding
[17:36] <Fishscene> hmm.. I hadn't thought of that. I'll try that out if my VM rebuild yields the same issue.
[17:40] <streulma> hello, in my VPS template, the /var/cache directory is deleted. How can I restore this?
[17:40] <sarnold> Fishscene: check dmesg for apparmor DEN lines, dhcp is .. funny
[17:41] <sarnold> streulma: on my system /var/cache is root:root 755
[17:41] <streulma> sarnold: the WHOLE directory is away
[17:42] <sarnold> streulma: I hoped whatever needed it would re-create their own dirs within when needed..
[17:42] <streulma> no sarnold :( apt-get update fails and dpkg also
[17:42] <sarnold> streulma: if not, here's the rest of the dirs in mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8047132/
[17:46] <streulma> sarnold, only apt directory is for the moment important
[17:47] <sarnold> streulma: if it needs more still: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8047158/
[17:48] <streulma> sarnold and debconf because dpkg is also broken :)
[17:48] <streulma> I don't know why they remove cache dir in Debian and Ubuntu template
[17:49] <streulma> CentOS has the fault that yum is broken, more, python is broken...
[17:49] <streulma> I repaired, and after a while it was the same, again broken
[17:49] <sarnold> streulma: /var/cache/debconf/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/8047175/
[18:35] <mdeslaur> QEMU security update call for testing: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2014-August/006955.html
[19:09] <sarkis> how can i see what version of the kernel will be installed with apt-get? i tried apt-cache policy linux-general
[19:15] <RoyK> sarkis: it'll normally just upgrade the current kernel to a newer subversion (unless something has changed recently)
[19:25] <rberg> 'aptitude show linux-image' will show what versions are available
[19:28] <rberg> or sometimes I use 'apt-get upgrade -d' just to see whats being downloaded
[19:57]  * keithzg totally forgot about the /var/www/ -> /var/www/html/ switch in Debian, was super confused when a bunch of internal websites ceased working after upgrading from 12.04 -> 14.04 today, haha
[20:05] <Lord255> hi all, i have insalled firefox to my server, i have a win client, i use putty to connect. xming installed on my pc and x11 fwd is enabled in putty. when i try to run firefox it goes to defunct. do you have any advices whats wrong or something?
[20:07] <sarkis> hmmm how can i upgrade the version of the kernel?
[20:07] <sarkis> somehow one of my machines has 3.5.x and others are on 3.2.x
[20:08] <Lord255> apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:08] <sarkis> maybe this is an issue with --dry-run
[20:08] <sarkis> but i do apt-get dist-upgrade --dry-run
[20:08] <sarkis> i don't see it trying to grab 3.5x
[20:09] <dasjoe> sarkis: your machines are on different kernels because one of them is using a different HWE stack, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[20:09] <sarkis> how the hell
[20:11] <dasjoe> Lord255: I'd try connecting with http://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/ as I've had more success with MobaXterm than a manual setup
[20:12] <dasjoe> Lord255: also make sure your /etc/ssh/sshd_config contains "X11Forwarding yes"
[20:15] <Lord255> fwd in sshd conf is ok. i will try the one which you have sent.
[20:38] <Lord255> dasjoe: it goes to deunct as well
[20:38] <keithzg> Lord255: Have you tried anything lighter than Firefox?
[20:39] <sarkis> dasjoe: thanks, that was it, not sure how the hell it happened though
[20:39] <sarkis> dasjoe: i mean both are still reporting it as 12.04.4 yet that 1 box does have -quantal
[20:40] <Lord255> however it opened the window now
[20:40] <Lord255> if that prog works why xming doesnt?:o
[20:40] <Lord255> and idk why a defunct irefox appears
[20:41] <keithzg> X11 on Windows == a nightmare hell ride ;)
[20:41] <Lord255> lol :D
[20:53] <Icabash> Hello, I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu Server x86 on one of my machines - The install hangs and does not continue when it reaches "load debconf preconfiguration file". Any advice on how to get this working?
[20:53] <Icabash> I've got the install screen up right now, so I'm happy to give any information required to solve this problem :)
[21:06] <Icabash> Ah, I just tried the installation again. Now it's stopping with the message: "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted. This probably means that the CD-ROM was not in the drive. If so you can insert it and try again.
[23:52] <Matt3o12> Hello.
[23:53] <Matt3o12> Is it save to remove the root password (`passwd -d root`) on my Ubuntu server? When I installed the server, I was given a root password but I wonder whether it is necessary to use root since I still can use sudo.
[23:54] <sarnold> Matt3o12: should be be safe; my /etc/shadow has root:!:..
[23:54] <sarnold> Matt3o12: and if things ever go really wrong you can always boot into init=/bin/sh and fix whatever needs fixing
[23:55] <Matt3o12> And what about user mod -s /usr/sbin/nologin ?
[23:57] <sarnold> hrm, I wouldn't, I'd worry about a program running as root deciding what shell to use with getpwent or similar
[23:59] <Matt3o12> And is it save to allow ssh connections without a valid public (and just with a password)? I'm worry about losing all data on my computer...


[04:38] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[04:49] <Kilos> morning inetpro  barrydk  mazal  and others
[05:00] <mazal> Môre oom
[05:11] <Kilos> sjoe ek groet hier en tara wat 4nm is en nhaines wat 11nm is
[05:11] <Kilos> hele wereld hier gedek nou
[05:14] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[07:09] <Kilos> hmm... such silence
[07:48] <Squirm> Morning
[07:48] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:53] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[07:54] <TinuvaMac> good morning Kilos? How goes on this amazing tools day?
[07:54] <Kilos> lol whats the amazing tools day
[07:55] <Kilos> im struggling with repos , 3 different repos give failed to fetch messages
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://www.onedayonly.co.za/medical-marijuana-5g-bankie-of-the-finest.html?utm_source=OneDayOnly&utm_campaign=e911e56662-01_April_20153_31_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_34763bf86d-e911e56662-400194505&mc_cid=e911e56662&mc_eid=41244ed95b
[08:02] <Kilos> We're obviously not selling weed today. This is just our way of drawing your attention to a few charities who desperately need your support.
[08:02] <Kilos> and good morning ThatGraemeGuy
[08:02] <Squirm> Kilos: I think you forget what the date is
[08:03] <Kilos> oh ya
[08:03] <Kilos> is that why the repos are failing on some packages as well
[08:07] <Kilos> i need to restart. wbb
[08:10] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:12] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[08:12] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:12] <Kilos> always at work, dont you go home anymore?
[08:13] <psyatw> well, I spend about 9-10 hours a day at work
[08:13] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:13] <psyatw> and then I often go to meetups in the evening
[08:13] <Kilos> what kinda meetups
[08:13] <Kilos> you young okes are naughty
[08:13] <psyatw> technology, languages, entrepreneurship
[08:13] <psyatw> haha
[08:13] <Kilos> aha
[08:14] <Kilos> i believe you but millions wouldnt
[08:14] <psyatw> I think Dublin has a unique landscape for that
[08:14] <psyatw> it's very small but there are so many things going on here
[08:15] <psyatw> I can go to most of these places on foot, usually it only takes me 15-30 minutes to get there
[08:15] <Kilos> nice so you get some exercise as well
[08:15] <psyatw> that's a good thing too indeed
[08:15] <Kilos> lol
[08:15] <psyatw> but I walk to and from work anyway
[08:15] <psyatw> and often I also go home for lunch
[08:16] <Kilos> good keep it up
[08:16] <psyatw> yes, I will
[08:17] <psyatw> did I mention the hackathon I went to on Saturday?
[08:18] <Kilos> no
[08:18] <psyatw> I got to speak to an Ubuntu developer working for Canonical
[08:18] <psyatw> and he showed me the Ubuntu phone
[08:18] <Kilos> cool
[08:18] <psyatw> yeah
[08:18] <Kilos> who is he?
[08:18] <Kilos> and why isnt he here?
[08:18] <psyatw> just the Twitter app crashed on both phones, I don't know if that was bad luck or what
[08:18] <psyatw> Gerry Boland
[08:19] <psyatw> hmm
[08:19] <psyatw> he's from Ireland
[08:19] <Kilos> i dont care
[08:19] <psyatw> so I guess he is in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-ie
[08:19] <Kilos> you also there now but you here
[08:19] <psyatw> let me see if I can catch him online
[08:19] <Kilos> oh ok
[08:21] <psyatw> I don't see him or I don' t recognise him
[08:21] <psyatw> don't*
[08:21] <Kilos> lol np
[08:31] <Kilos> hi lin
[08:35] <TinuvaMac> 09:54 Kilos: lol whats the amazing tools day <--- news sites are all annoying
[08:36] <Kilos> lol
[09:01] <lin> see www.gentoo.org for an example
[09:01] <lin> lol
[09:13] <Kilos> i struggle enough on normal days
[09:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://com.google/
[09:13] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> also http://maps.google.com/ and click pacman view
[09:16] <Kilos> where is pacman view
[09:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> bottom left
[09:18] <Kilos> there arent enough roads in this area it says hehe
[09:18] <Kilos> i never liked pacman
[09:18] <Kilos> too clever for me
[12:24] <Squirm> Lol
[12:24] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: yeah - It's cool
[12:24] <Squirm> Maybe have been playing last night :p
[12:25] <Squirm> Around my house
[15:24] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[15:24] <magellanic> hey
[15:31] <Kilos> Maaz  seen cantide
[15:31] <Maaz> Kilos: cantide was last seen 2 months, 28 days, 1 hour, 5 minutes and 49 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-03 16:25:21 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-03 17:15:44 SAST
[15:33] <Kilos> found him https://www.facebook.com/karl.wortmann
[15:33] <Kilos> now he cant get away
[16:10] <Squirm> 'lo
[16:16] <Kilos> hi Squirm  i restart
[16:16] <Squirm> restart what?
[16:16] <Squirm> Oh
[16:16] <Squirm> ok?
[17:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:39] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[17:39] <Kilos> fixit
[17:50] <Kilos> today was a bad da in za. no one even had coffee
[17:50] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[17:50]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:50] <Kilos> hoi
[17:52] <Kilos> i got a one year old problem that for some reason i never asked for help before
[17:52] <Kilos> kubuntu problem
[17:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:54] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[17:54] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:17] <magellanic> installed windows 8 today, after years.
[18:17] <inetpro> magellanic: and?
[18:17] <inetpro> good evening
[18:17] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[18:17] <inetpro> and pong as well
[18:18] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <Kilos> inetpro  tell me what to do to make songs play properly here please
[18:19] <inetpro> vlc
[18:19] <Kilos> they all choppy on vlc amerok mplayer and some more
[18:19] <magellanic> amazing, switching all home PCs. you can see why linux can't compete as a desktop
[18:19] <inetpro> magellanic: lekker grapjas
[18:20] <magellanic> heya inetpro. grapjas?
[18:20] <inetpro> magellanic: you don't know the word grapjas?
[18:21] <Kilos> thats like roger federercompeting with rafael nadal
[18:22] <magellanic> inetpro: nope
[18:22] <magellanic> Kilos: it is?
[18:22] <Kilos> grapjas=joker
[18:22] <inetpro> ai! Kilosm where does he come from?
[18:22] <magellanic> hehe okay, I tried.
[18:22] <Kilos> compare apples with apples
[18:22] <magellanic> april 1 didn't work, windows is still crap
[18:23] <Kilos> win 8 isnt too bad if you add the start button and panel
[18:23] <inetpro> oh shucks!
[18:23] <magellanic> :p
[18:24]  * inetpro forgot the date
[18:24] <Kilos> lol
[18:24] <Kilos> my music being choppy isnt a joke
[18:24] <Kilos> dunno why i let it ride so long
[18:24] <inetpro> was supposed to sleep all day
[18:25] <Kilos> you did
[18:25] <inetpro> some of the jokes are just annoying
[18:26] <Kilos> fix my kde man im tired of playing songs on windows
[18:26]  * inetpro prefers to stay below the radar on a day like today
[18:27] <magellanic> what do you mean choppy?
[18:27] <Kilos> bits missing
[18:27] <Kilos> like stuttering
[18:27] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't have such problems
[18:27] <Kilos> ya inetpro  but why do i?
[18:28] <magellanic> tried different players?
[18:28] <magellanic> just to sese
[18:28] <inetpro> murphy lives with you in the same house
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <Kilos> mplayer amerok vlc
[18:29] <magellanic> what sound card and driver?
[18:29] <Kilos> and dragon player
[18:29] <Kilos> onboard sound
[18:30] <magellanic> lspci and paste it on pastebin
[18:31] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info/md989
[18:33] <magellanic> you have 2?
[18:33] <Kilos> 2 what?
[18:34] <magellanic> sound cards
[18:34] <Kilos> oh do i
[18:34] <magellanic> lspci -vv and paste
[18:34] <Kilos> thats lekker, where is the other one
[18:35] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info/4p8gz
[18:37] <Kilos> oh maybe other sound is in the graphics card
[18:38] <Kilos> hdmi thing
[18:42] <magellanic> what hdmi thing
[18:46] <Kilos> the 210 graphics card has a hdmi socket in it as well
[18:47] <Kilos> i think its hdmi
[18:47] <magellanic> seems like that then, comes up as nvidia "cardexpert" device
[18:47] <Kilos> i dont understand high definition sound
[18:48] <magellanic> have you tried playing with alsa mixer settings, sometimes that does it
[18:48] <Kilos> i cant use that, it uses a funny cable
[18:48] <Kilos> ya i tried alsa player too
[18:49] <Kilos> oh settings no i havent looked in there
[18:49] <magellanic> try alsamixer on the terminal
[18:49] <magellanic> q to quit
[18:49] <magellanic> pick the right card
[18:51] <Kilos> it only shows one
[18:52] <magellanic> which one
[18:52] <Kilos> Card: HDA Intel PCH
[18:52] <magellanic> f6 to select a card
[18:52] <Kilos> Chip: Realtek ALC662 rev3
[18:53] <magellanic> adjust volume, if it works, should be the right one
[18:53] <Kilos> it was on default i moved it to 0 because 1 is nvidia
[18:54] <magellanic> esc to quit sorry, not q
[18:56] <Kilos> turned master volume down but sound still distorts
[19:02] <Kilos> maybe i must remover the nvidia card and use everything from onboard and see
[19:02] <magellanic> might be worth a try
[19:02] <Kilos> maybe they are clashing
[19:03] <magellanic> they seem to be using the same driver
[19:03] <Kilos> i cant remember if unity also had sound probs here, can try that as well
[19:04] <magellanic> grep intel /etc/modprobe.conf/*
[19:04] <magellanic> curious
[19:04] <magellanic> grep intel /etc/modprobe.d/*
[19:04] <Kilos> grep: /etc/modprobe.conf/*: No such file or directory
[19:04] <magellanic> rather
[19:05] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info/r3mz4
[19:06] <magellanic> okay, nothing interesting
[19:08] <magellanic> try this, https://askubuntu.com/questions/138266/distorted-and-choppy-audio
[19:08] <magellanic> first answer there
[19:08] <Kilos> ok
[19:17] <Kilos> i remember somewhere in the past having to disable auto mute as well, but no idea when
[19:18] <Kilos> will only see what happened after restart. but not now
[19:18] <magellanic> see second answer on that post
[19:18] <Kilos> ty magellanic
[19:18] <magellanic> second answer is about auto mute
[19:19] <Kilos> ive done both so well see tomorrow
[19:19] <magellanic> cool
[19:19] <Kilos> if it doesnt work ill try removing graphics card
[19:20] <magellanic> then you might get graphics issues :p
[19:20] <Kilos> very frustrating, i must go play taras songs on windows
[19:20] <Kilos> lol
[19:21] <magellanic> I told you, win8 hey, it's the future
[19:21] <magellanic> :p
[19:21] <Kilos> lol
[19:21] <Kilos> not for me ty
[19:21] <Kilos> im just playing with it so i can help kids
[19:32] <Kilos> inetpro  what sound card do you use?
[19:32] <Kilos> maybe i must save for a graphics card without the hdmi sound built in
[19:36] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


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[02:04] <iceroot> hi, what is the ressource to open bugs against ubuntu.com?
[02:12] <dlentz> iceroot, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+filebug
[02:13] <iceroot> dlentz: thanky ou
[02:13] <iceroot> y
[02:13] <dlentz> yw
[08:19] <rbasak> How should backports bugs be triaged? I can documentation neither in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports nor https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage. This is bug 986649.
[08:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 986649 in puppet "puppet agent can't obtain catalogs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986649
[08:21] <rbasak> And maverick is EOL anyway. Is this a Won't Fix due to that?
[08:23] <micahg> rbasak: well, if there's a bug, you can add a task for the respective $RELEASE-backports project, the main thing would be determining if the source of the backport is also affected in which case you'd leave the distro task open
[08:24] <micahg> or target to whichever series is affected if appropriate
[08:24] <micahg> yeah, maverick bugs are EOL, but that same backported version is in natty and oneiric
[08:24] <micahg> and lucid as well
[08:24] <rbasak> micahg: OK I'll do that - thanks!
[08:29] <micahg> rbasak: adding a task to maverick-backports at this point is useless (I hope I didn't imply that should be done)
[08:29]  * micahg removes
[08:29] <rbasak> Oh OK, I misunderstood
[08:30] <micahg> supported releases are fine to do that :)
[08:30] <micahg> the question is does it affect the other releases or not
[08:31] <rbasak> micahg: I was going to ask the reporter. Shall I go ahead and do that?
[08:31] <micahg> yeah, you can do that with a note about EOL for Maverick, would probably be good if someone could test this on oneiric
[16:55] <njin> ubuntu-wubi
[18:25] <alex_mayorga> Is there a way to recover a bug report that never managed to show a Launchpad window?
[21:41] <dcampoy> Hi. I just update my ubuntu to 12.04 and now I'm unable to make it boot again. I'm here to find a workaround to let me work again
[21:42] <dcampoy> At first time I get: "Failed to create PTY"-error that is already reported and has as workaround add --no-log as kernel parameter
[21:43] <dcampoy> but the boot still keep failing but without any error now.
[21:44] <dcampoy> Has anybody a clue?
[21:46] <rbasak> dcampoy: I think you want #ubuntu+1 for 12.04 support.
[21:46] <rbasak> (sorry I don't know the answer)
[21:47] <dcampoy> @rbasak thanks. Let's try :)
[21:47] <meetingology> dcampoy: Error: "rbasak" is not a valid command.
[22:09] <txomon|home> can someone have a look in bug 975197
[22:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 975197 in linux "Can't avoid mounting in boot time" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/975197
[22:10] <txomon|home> it is a very blocking feature, that can't be changed but booting from CD and modifying the fstab file
[22:24] <bdmurray> Setting up memtest86+ (4.20-1.1ubuntu1) ...^M
[22:24] <bdmurray> /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 1: /etc/default/grub: splash”#: not found^M
[22:24] <bdmurray> dpkg: error processing memtest86+ (--configure):^M subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 127^M
[22:29] <txomon|home> ?
[22:49] <bdmurray> misclick
[22:49] <txomon|home> ah oki


[04:50] <alexmcwhirter> Hey guys, im having issues with nodes failing to fully PXE boot. They get stuck at IP-Config requesting an IP address from the MAAS server but never getting a response. The cluster controller doesn’t ever see these requests either.
[04:52] <alexmcwhirter> A bug report was opened for similar issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1327412
[10:34] <jtv> rvba: I wonder if that migration (1) shouldn't break in the database anyway because it updates a column that was added in the same transaction, and (2) won't cause trouble updating a field that _on the model_ hasn't been added yet.
[10:36] <jtv> In SQL terms, what I'd expect that migration to do is: update the node table using a left outer join with the tag table where the tag is for the fastpath installer; and set the newly added column to one value or the other depending.
[10:37] <jtv> Instead, it loops over all nodes, queries the tags table for each, updates a model field that hasn't been fully added yet, then writes back that one node.
[10:44] <jtv> It was this MP wot did it: https://code.launchpad.net/~blake-rouse/maas/add-boot-type-to-node/+merge/227234
[10:56] <jtv> rvba: I'm working on that broken migration.
[10:57] <bigjools> thanks jtv
[10:57] <bigjools> rvba: I'll review your branch if you review mind :)
[10:57] <bigjools> mine*
[12:53] <rvba> bigjools: well, it's always the same question I have with twisted: how to *start* the damn thing. What am I doing wrong here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7841796/ ?
[12:53] <bigjools> rvba: looking
[12:54] <bigjools> rvba: aiee
[12:55] <bigjools> rvba: you don't need the callLater
[12:55] <rvba> bigjools: well, I tried without first
[12:56] <rvba> bigjools: what you see now is the hole I ended up in after trying different things
[12:56] <bigjools> basically it's going to be hard the way the code is written
[12:56] <bigjools> because of inline callbacks
[12:56] <bigjools> the function won't exit until it's finished
[12:56] <bigjools> but you need to do assertions while it's running
[12:57] <rvba> Indeed, but the function yields at various points.
[12:57] <bigjools> I forgot what it's calling
[12:57] <rvba> Isn't that enough to let us do the checks we want to do?
[12:57] <bigjools> power_action, right
[12:58] <bigjools> no, because it yields to the reactor
[12:58] <bigjools> let me show you something I did recently
[13:02] <bigjools> rvba: also fwiw I think you need some test refactoring to reduce the boilerplate
[13:08] <bigjools> rvba: move the clock.advance() to the first statement after the "for"
[13:09] <bigjools> advance just runs the reactor for one iteration so you need to do that to get your callLater to run
[13:09] <bigjools> the test now fails because it's actually incorrect :)
[13:57] <rvba> bigjools: doens't seem to work.
[13:57] <rvba> doesn't*
[13:57] <bigjools> rvba: it doesn't work because your test is wrong
[13:57] <rvba> ah :)
[13:57] <bigjools> it needs updating to cope with this
[13:58] <bigjools> rvba: you could try advance(0), I've never done that though
[13:58] <bigjools> for the first iteration I mean
[13:59] <rvba> bigjools: I've tried that first actually.  Ni dice.
[13:59] <bigjools> rvba: 0.1 then
[13:59] <bigjools> :)
[13:59] <bigjools> you just need to spin the reactor once to get the callLater to run
[13:59] <bigjools> but not enough to get the retries to start yet
[14:01] <rvba> I've tried that too :)
[14:01] <bigjools> rvba: what happened?
[14:05] <rvba> bigjools: the first check failed because nothing had been called.
[14:06] <bigjools> rvba: weird.  did you try 1?
[14:07] <rvba> bigjools: with 1 it fails during the second check.  Maybe my test has a problem… let me have another look…
[14:07] <bigjools> rvba: yes, there is a problem, it's not taking into account the initial calls I think
[14:36] <rvba> bigjools: it doesn't look as if clock.advance is doing its job: the code inside the loop in change_power_state() only gets called once.
[14:36] <bigjools> rvba: the balance of probability is that your code is buggy then :)
[14:37] <bigjools> rvba: give me a few minutes to finish my branch and then you can have my full attention
[14:37] <rvba> bigjools: either that or I'm not using the right magic formula in my test.
[14:38] <rvba>     raise mismatch_error
[14:38] <rvba> MismatchError: !=:
[14:38] <rvba> reference = [call(context-key-4XklLw=u'context-val-TYmWJk', power_change=u'on')]
[14:38] <rvba> actual    = [call(context-key-4XklLw=u'context-val-TYmWJk', power_change=u'on')]
[14:38] <rvba> : after <function get_mock_calls> on <Mock name='mock().execute' id='140383727837328'>: calls do not match
[14:38] <rvba> Nice
[14:39] <bigjools> wat
[15:05] <rvba> bigjools: I've pushed the latest version of the code to lp:~rvb/maas/retry-power-changes
[15:05] <rvba> ./bin/test.maas src/provisioningserver/rpc/tests/test_power.py:TestPowerHelpers.test_change_power_state_pauses_in_between_retries
[15:08] <bigjools> rvba: it works now?
[15:08] <rvba> Obviously not :)
[15:08] <bigjools> rvba: ok I'll take a look
[15:09] <rvba> The clock.advance doesn't seem to have any effect on the tested method resuming its execution.
[15:09] <bigjools> rvba: test.maas for pserv tests?
[15:09] <rvba> The call* to clock.advance
[15:09] <bigjools> use test.pserv!
[15:09] <rvba> It works.
[15:09] <bigjools> it's slow
[15:10] <rvba> Can you run just one test with test.pserv?
[15:10] <bigjools> rvba: provisioningserver.rpc.tests.test_power:TestPowerHelpers.test_change_power_state_pauses_in_between_retries
[15:10] <bigjools> rvba: bin/test.pserv provisioningserver.rpc.tests.test_power:TestPowerHelpers.test_change_power_state_pauses_in_between_retries
[15:10] <bigjools> sigfh
[15:10] <bigjools> notice how quick it is ;)
[15:10] <rvba> Okay, cool.
[15:11] <rvba> True, it's quick
[15:13] <bigjools> rvba: would your DNS CNAME removal branch easily backport to 1.5?
[15:14] <rvba> bigjools: I think so; the interface hasn't been changed, only the internals.
[15:14] <bigjools> yeah I thought as much, thanks
[15:20] <rvba> bigjools: if I debug what happens when I reach the clock.advance in the test, I can see that right after existing the twisted code, the code runs the second execution of the loop… in other words, *nothing* calls the method under test again.
[15:22] <bigjools> rvba: put a breakpoint at the end of the method and see if it's reached
[15:22] <rvba> bigjools: it's not
[15:22] <rvba> did that
[15:22] <bigjools> pok
[15:22] <bigjools> so it exits at the yield
[15:23] <rvba> bigjools: reading the twisted code, I wonder if Clock is the right tool to use here.  It seems it's only meant to write unit tests that use callLater
[15:23] <bigjools> nah it's fine
[15:23] <bigjools> hmmm so when I tested something similar in my own code I patched out deferToThread
[15:24] <bigjools> so you're creating threads in here
[15:25] <rvba> Damn, that did the trick.
[15:25] <bigjools> haha
[15:25]  * rvba can't believe it.  Let me put a breakpoint and see it with my own eyes.
[15:26] <bigjools> I suspect Clock() won't work with threads
[15:32] <bigjools> rvba: I would patch out deferToThread so it just returns defer.succeed
[15:32] <rvba> self.patch(power, "deferToThread", maybeDeferred) is what I did
[15:34] <bigjools> same thing
[15:34] <bigjools> nearly
[15:44] <bigjools> rvba: so did you get it working?
[15:44] <rvba> bigjools: the test passes
[15:44] <bigjools> hurrah
[15:45] <rvba> I'm seeing if I can't break that giant function into smaller pieces that could be unit tested separately.
[15:45] <rvba> Well, I'm sure I can but the question: will the resulting code still be readable?
[15:45] <rvba> the question is*
[15:45] <bigjools> I am sure an engineer of your high calibre will do just fine :)
[15:46] <bigjools> rvba: I was thinking, you might not need the callLater.
[15:46] <bigjools> make the test use inlineCallbacks
[15:46] <schegi_> question on the virsh power settings for a node can anyone help? i configured them like this 'power address'<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and 'power id' vm1 but it does not power on the vm. running 'sudo -u schegi virsh -c<EMAIL_ADDRESS>start vm1' where schegi is my maas user works.
[15:47] <bigjools> schegi_: http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/nodes.html#virtual-machine-nodes
[15:48] <bigjools> rvba: then you can yield the first result, followed by advancing the clock after that.
[15:49] <rvba> bigjools: yeah, I'll try… let me see if I can break the methods into smaller pieces first…
[15:49] <rvba> method*
[15:49] <bigjools> rvba: good call.
[15:49] <bigjools> will be much much easier to test
[15:49] <schegi_> bigjools, already found that but the problem is that running the command from the console powers on the machine. starting the vm by maas doesnt work
[15:50] <bigjools> schegi_: two things to check then, 1. is the cluster celery process running? 2. look in its log for errors
[15:54] <schegi_> bigjools, seems that the login to the virsh console somehow fails http://pastebin.com/QfH9Ybqa
[15:55] <jpds> maas has a broken piece in trusty.
[15:55] <jpds>  /var/log/maas/rsyslog has the wrong permissions by default.
[15:57] <bigjools> schegi_: can't help you with that, sorry
[15:57] <bigjools> jpds: someone filed a bug the other day
[16:01] <rvba> bigjools: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7842616/ (a first version with a tiny bit extracted); I think it can be done better.  Is there a better pattern that having sub-methods like what I've done with doer() and checker()… I could go all the way and get rid of the inlineCallbacks entirely…
[16:02] <rvba> I'm starting to see why twisted is fun :).
[16:03] <jpds> bigjools: Do you have the bug handy/
[16:06] <bigjools> jpds: sorry, not to hand
[16:07] <bigjools> busy atm, will look in a bit
[16:07] <bigjools> rvba: one mo
[16:16] <bigjools> rvba: ok I can look now
[16:17] <bigjools> rvba: you could enhance retries() to take a sequence
[16:17] <bigjools> but up to you
[16:18] <rvba> bigjools: what do you mean by that?
[16:18] <bigjools> rvba: the retries util that gavin wrote just takes fixed intervals
[16:19] <bigjools> a fixed interval, I mean
[16:20] <rvba> bigjools: I'm doing something different here: there is no global timeout.
[16:20] <bigjools> ok
[16:22] <rvba> bigjools: the thing I don't like in my code is the need to encapsulate actions into tiny methods that take no arguments (checker and doer).
[16:23] <bigjools> rvba: presumably you're doing that so it's easier to monkey patch?
[16:23] <rvba> bigjools: no, only to have something contained to pass to retry()
[16:30] <bigjools> rvba: my brain is starting to shut down for the day, I might not be much more help!
[16:31] <rvba> bigjools: you've been very helpful thus far!  I'll refine my code a bit more so that it marks the node as broken when the template execution fails.
[16:31] <bigjools> sweet
[16:32] <bigjools> rvba: TDD is generally even more important when writing twisted code
[16:32] <rvba> bigjools: right, I can see that now.
[16:32] <bigjools> rvba: and sometimes I eschew inlinecallbacks in favour of passing deferreds around just to make tests easier
[16:33] <bigjools> it's quite nice being able to add a test callback on one of the deferreds from the code being tested
[16:33] <rvba> bigjools: not just that.  In this particular case, not using inlinecallbacks means dealing with errors that need to be treated the same way but are happening at various point in the callback tree is easier.
[16:34] <rvba> points*
[16:34] <bigjools> right
[16:34] <bigjools> rvba: the downside means you end up writing lambdas or inline functions
[16:34] <rvba> Indeed.
[16:49] <rvba> bigjools: another thing is that using the Deferred pattern (vs inlineCallback) forces you to think in terms or success vs. failure.  It structure the code paths around that distinction.
[16:49] <rvba> s/terms or/terms of/
[16:50] <bigjools> rvba: well yield is more like normal python
[16:50] <bigjools> exceptions and so on, so not sure about that.
[16:50] <rvba> bigjools: if you compare my code vs the previous version, handling failures in the "deferred" version comes more naturally.
[17:14] <allenap> bigjools: Do you know why the MAAS Daily Builds PPA appears to be fairly out of date?
[17:14] <allenap> Or am I misunderstanding?
[17:15] <allenap> I want a package built from trunk.
[17:15] <allenap> For Trusty.
[17:15] <bigjools> hang on
[17:15] <allenap> I /could/ build it myself.
[17:16] <bigjools> allenap: it got switched to utopic
[17:16] <allenap> bigjools: Oh.
[17:17] <bigjools> allenap: dailies for trusty are in here https://launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers/+archive/ubuntu/experimental/+packages
[17:17] <allenap> bigjools: Can we build trunk packages for Trusty and Utopic?
[17:17] <bigjools> allenap: it's complicated :)  can't upload the same thing twice to a PPA, so we'd have to reversion stuff in the recipes to include the series info
[17:18] <bigjools> this situation needs reviewing I think
[17:19] <allenap> Yeah. My lack of knowledge means I resent the arcane dark art of packaging even more.
[17:19] <bigjools> allenap: I've been building my own lately
[17:19] <bigjools> since I made it *so* easy ;)
[17:21] <bigjools> allenap: talking of which, can you remember why, after installing packages, pserv fails to start with:
[17:21] <bigjools> /usr/bin/twistd: Unknown command: maas-pserv
[17:22] <bigjools> plugin not found, obviously, but why
[17:23] <allenap> bigjools: No, sorry, but I can help diagnose. Not now - kids have just returned and need feeding - but after 8pm.
[17:23] <bigjools> allenap: at 8pm I'll be semi-comatose.  better leave it to tomorrow
[17:24] <allenap> bigjools: Okay.
[17:24] <bigjools> thanks
[17:24] <allenap> Bye!
[17:24] <bigjools> look at the time!
[17:24] <bigjools> I keep thinking "team call in 5 minutes..."
[17:29] <bigjools> allenap: oh ah I see what's up, plugin failed to load
[17:29] <bigjools> exceptions.AttributeError: 'Settings' object has no attribute 'WORKER_QUEUE_DNS'
[17:29] <bigjools> but why... question for tomorrow!  good night
[18:12] <schegi_> got still problems with powercontrol of an virsh vm node. already configured my maas user to be able to perform pwd-less virsh command in the terminal, but doing the same via maas is not possible.
[18:15] <schegi_> e.g commissioning node would not start node with power settings<EMAIL_ADDRESS>id: vm1, but performing virsh -c<EMAIL_ADDRESS>console vm1 in the terminal starts node. celeryd is running and log says provisioningserver.custom_hardware.virsh.VirshError: Failed to login to virsh console..
[19:42] <Waruii> hi. I have a newly installed on a mainly vanilla 14.04, but maas does not import images. pserv.log tells me "AssertionError: MAAS_URL is not set.  This probably means that the script which started this program failed to source maas_cluster.conf", but access rights look fine to me
[19:44] <Waruii> I also see repeatedly two(!) instances of HttpClientFactory (http://localhost/MAAS/rpc/) booting up and being stopped immediately
[20:08] <jseutter> Waruii: I remember seeing the same error with my maas install but I don't remember how I fixed it.  From looking at https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/troubleshooting.html, sudo dpkg-reconfigure maas-region-controller may be what you need.
[20:09] <jseutter> Waruii: on my install, I have maas_cluster.conf:MAAS_URL=http://localhost/MAAS
[20:10] <jseutter> sorry, that's in /etc/maas/maas_cluster.conf
[20:21] <Waruii> jseutter: config says the same for me. just did the dpkg-reconfigure to no avail
[20:36] <jseutter> Waruii: Are you trying to install maas from packages on an existing 14.04 install?
[20:38] <jseutter> Waruii: If so, check your installed packages against mine - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7843901/
[20:39] <Waruii> installed the "maas" metapackage after a vanilla 14.04 installation
[20:43] <jseutter> Waruii: did you do the sudo add-apt-repository cloud-archive:tools before installing the maas metapackage?
[20:44] <Waruii> does not ring a bell
[20:45] <jseutter> Waruii: I had a couple of failed attempts, it finally worked for me when I followed https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/install.html closely.  It could be that the maas packages in the standard archive do not work as well as the ones in the cloud archive
[20:46] <jseutter> Waruii: actually
[20:47] <jseutter> Waruii: On my system, the cloud-tools archive has been disabled by distUpgrade, so I must have gotten maas working on 12.04 and then done a dist-upgrade to 14.04.
[20:47] <jseutter> nuts.
[20:52] <Waruii> I thought I followed it but I will give it another try … tomorrow ;)
[20:52] <Waruii> thx though!
[20:55] <jseutter> Waruii: That add-apt-repository command is described as optional in the docs, so if one way doesn't work you could try the othre
[20:56] <jseutter> other


[00:10] <PriceChild> I've lost a channel :/
[00:11] <jdong> PriceChild: that's what.... forget it
[00:11] <PriceChild> Found it, -meeting
[00:12] <LjL> whops, he's lost another
[00:13] <PriceChild> Oi, that was mean!
[00:13] <LjL> PriceChild: nah, i was just wondering how long it'd take you to find this one again
[00:14] <PriceChild> lucky i was checking /win list
[00:16] <jdong> well you can't /win em all.
[00:16] <jdong> :D
[00:18] <LjL> hmm, i thought ompaul had gone to bed
[00:18] <LjL> seems not
[00:20] <PriceChild> jdong: that was baaaaaaaaaad :P
[00:37] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> hello
[00:37] <Pici> Kamus_H_Zwisch: How can we help you today?
[00:37] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> a staff wants to close all unoficial #ubuntu* channels
[00:37] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> :(
[00:37] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> nope
[00:37] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> just expressing
[00:37] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> :D
[00:38] <Pici> Well, we own the #ubuntu* namespace, so I don't see why thats an issue.
[00:38] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> why he do that?
[00:38] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> :(
[00:38] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> please
[00:38] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> make my channel official
[00:39] <PriceChild> Kamus_H_Zwisch: I have never expressed that intention. We do occasionally close unofficial channels that may confuse new users or for other reasons. You can read freenode policy on channel naming here: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming
[00:39] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> not mine
[00:39] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> but you understand
[00:39] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> PriceChild: sorry, the other people in the channel said that
[00:39] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> PriceChild: i loged just a few minutos ago
[00:40] <PriceChild> Kamus_H_Zwisch: next time, ask me if its true before telling people I said it in several public channels? :)
[00:40] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> ok
[00:40] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> sorrry for that
[00:40] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> :D
[00:40] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> PriceChild: but i think a #ubuntubrasil-orkut channel will not confuse new users
[00:40] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> is a little different
[00:40] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> :D
[00:41] <PriceChild> Kamus_H_Zwisch: I don't believe I've said anything about that channel?
[00:41] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> PriceChild: is like i said. the i jsut logged a few minutes ago
[00:41] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> :D
[00:41] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> PriceChild: thanks fou your attention
[00:42] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> atention
[00:42] <PriceChild> Kamus_H_Zwisch: so lets not be too hasty to claim things :)
[00:42] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> ok
[00:42] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> :D
[00:43] <nalioth> Kamus_H_Zwisch: the behaviour in #ubuntubrasil-orkut does not follow the Ubuntu guidelines
[00:44] <nalioth> kicking staff members doing their jobs is not acceptable
[00:44] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> nalioth: i'm not a op
[00:45] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> nalioth: but i'll pass to  ops
[00:45] <PriceChild> Kamus_H_Zwisch: I am already talking to the op.
[00:45] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> uhh
[00:45] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> i see now
[00:45] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> i'm a op
[00:45] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> strange...
[00:46] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> 5 minutes ago i'm just a common user
[00:46] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> realy strange
[00:46] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> oO
[00:46] <nalioth> we have no problem with #ubuntu* channels run in accordance with the Ubuntu and frenode guideliens, Kamus_H_Zwisch
[00:47] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> nalioth: thanks :D
[00:47] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> uhh
[00:48] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> i'm now ah messenger oO
[00:48] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> pnordico asked to say: pricechild don't said good things
[00:49] <LjL> didn't he say that it was not what pricechild had said?
[00:50] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> uh?
[00:50] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> my english is not very good
[00:50] <_thomas__> LjL, right
[00:50] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> _thomas__: traduz
[00:51] <LjL> what's the price of bananas to do with this? :o)
[00:51] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> LjL: br?
[00:51] <LjL> no
[00:51] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> bananananana
[00:52] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> oO
[00:56] <mneptok> personally, i don;t really see the point of making the channel official. i mean, we don't have #ubuntu.us-facebook
[00:56] <mneptok> what do we do, open a new channel for every potential social networking site?
[00:56] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> mneptok: don't ask me
[00:58] <anthony> mneptok: not to mention kinds of fruit.  And Spanish presidents.
[01:00] <mneptok> i do owe Orkut a debt of gratitude. my experience there has kept me off MySpace and Facebook, for which i am eternally grateful.
[01:00] <LjL> Kamus_H_Zwisch: the operators of your channel aren't doing themselves a favor. if you want to do them a favor, read the freenode guidelines ( http://freenode.net is the starting point) and the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
[01:00] <Pici> icesword: How can we help you this evening?
[01:00] <icesword> no,
[01:00] <icesword> thank you
[01:00] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> LjL: i see that. but they are a little bit stupids and likes a fight
[01:01] <Pici> icesword: Please see the topic then, this is not a 'hang-out' channel.
[01:01] <icesword> i am wondering if a person is ops
[01:01] <LjL> Kamus_H_Zwisch: well, that's not in the spirit of the code of conduct.
[01:01] <Pici> icesword: /msg chanserv access #channel list
[01:01] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> LjL: try to explain to they
[01:01] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> :(
[01:01] <icesword> he told me he is,but no his name in there
[01:01] <Pici> icesword: who?
[01:01] <icesword> heehe,i won't tell you
[01:01]  * mneptok summons nalioth and his Giant Baseball Bat Of Explanations
[01:02] <LjL> icesword, it's much better if our users know who are the real operators - the ones they can summon for help when things are not right.
[01:02] <LjL> if someone is pretending to be an operator, you'd do the community a favor by pointing it out.
[01:03] <icesword> heheh,no he isn't pretending,
[01:03] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> kkkkkkkk
[01:03] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> hahahahaha
[01:03] <icesword> i just asked ?then he answered yes
[01:03] <LjL> icesword: well, you said he said he is an operator.
[01:03] <icesword> doesn't hurt anyone
[01:04] <AndrewB> LjL: though, if somebody is doing something in good spirit then why should it be pointed out. Say somebody is trolling and somebody take it upon themself to catalyze.. then surley there is no harm done..
[01:04] <LjL> icesword: well... yes, it does, because if someone is asking for an operator, it generally means they need an operator - not someone posturing
[01:04] <icesword> i see
[01:04] <LjL> AndrewB, so i'll say i'm a staff member next time someone asks? :)
[01:05] <icesword> you guys know #ubuntu-uncensored
[01:05] <anthony> why?
[01:05] <AndrewB> Hmm I suppose, and technically pulling ranks isn't going to do anything. /me fades off to the background
[01:06] <icesword> why what?
[01:06] <anthony> why do you ask?
[01:06] <icesword> curiosity
[01:06] <LjL> i've heard of it.
[01:06] <icesword> they pulled me into it,just now
[01:06] <icesword> hehhe
[01:06] <AndrewB> LjL: I didn't completely read my backlog.. apologys ;)
[01:06] <LjL> what do you mean "pulled"?
[01:06] <mneptok> icesword: "pulled you in?"
[01:07] <icesword> thet asked me to join
[01:08] <anthony> Asked how?
[01:08] <LjL> icesword, and so you asked him (the one who asked you to join) if he was an operator?
[01:08] <anthony> Please provide the context and methods so we know what you mean.
[01:08] <icesword> no,he is not
[01:09] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> thanks for you atention
[01:09] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> i'll sleep now
[01:09] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> good night
[01:09] <icesword> it doesn't hurt anyone
[01:10] <AndrewB> nn Kamus_H_Zwisch
[01:10] <icesword> anthony, just because people want to be there
[01:10] <mneptok> icesword: this person claimed to be an op in #ubuntu* channels, or in ##ubuntu-uncensored?
[01:11] <icesword> wait,not in #ubuntu,and not claim,just he answered yes
[01:12] <Pici> icesword: ops are channel specific, not network specific.  i.e. I'm an op in #ubuntu, but not #fedora
[01:12] <icesword> he answered yes in uncensored
[01:12] <mneptok> icesword: so if you ask me "do you have a fish?" and i answer "yes," i can reasonably say that "i never claimed to have a fish?" c'mon ....
[01:13] <icesword> why treat it so seriously,doesn' t hurt anyone
[01:13] <Pici> icesword: you're the one who brought it up...
[01:13] <icesword> ok,let 's drop it then,have a rest
[01:13] <LjL> icesword, there are two operators in ##ubuntu-uncensored... :)
[01:14] <icesword> so ...?
[01:15] <LjL> icesword, so when you want to see if someone really is an operator, you can simply type /msg chanserv access #channel list - like i've just done to see that there are two
[01:15] <icesword> and this will not bring ops' attention ,right
[01:15] <LjL> no
[01:16] <icesword> ohhh,bad
[01:16] <LjL> no i mean - it will not bring their attention
[01:16] <icesword> ok
[01:19] <LjL> icesword, a question, why did they ask you to join?
[01:20] <icesword> hehhe,i understand ,they are pulling people,just makes it a popular channel
[01:20] <LjL> i see.
[01:21] <anthony> icesword: how did they find out you might be interested?  Did you say something that would have drawn their attention?  What channel were you in at the time?
[01:21] <icesword> heheh,you begin again,is this really important
[01:22] <LjL> well it's curiosity
[01:22] <LjL> you were curious too
[01:22] <icesword> hmm
[01:22] <anthony> icesword: Actually, yes.  Not so much for you individually, but there have been some trends that the Freenode staff are trying to follow, and if you can share this kind of information it would be greatly helpful to both them and us.
[01:23] <icesword> i was at #debian just now
[01:23] <anthony> Right before you were messaged with the invitation?
[01:23] <anthony> Was the person who invited you also in #debian?
[01:24] <icesword> eng
[01:24] <anthony> I don't understand - what's "eng" mean?
[01:24] <icesword> aye,yes =we said en or eng
[01:25] <anthony> ah
[01:26] <anthony> icesword: Perhaps if you aren't comfortable sharing here, you'd be willing to provide more details on your encounter just to the Freenode staff - you'll find them in #freenode.
[01:39] <tomaw> icesword: what's up?
[01:40] <icesword> tomaw, what,i said nothing
[01:42] <tomaw> icesword: aye.  anthony suggested you may be more comfortable sharing with network staff, of which I am one :)
[01:43] <icesword> you are one what,network staff?
[01:45] <tomaw> yes, a member of freenode network staff.
[02:11] <mneptok> that was anticlimactic
[02:16]  * nalioth plugs mneptok toothbrush into a 220v socket
[02:22] <nickrud> hey jack. I saw you're gonna be teaching this year. Didn't know you were a teacher. What?
[02:39] <ubotu> soldats called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[03:05] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud, yep.. need to make some extra money to pay off some medical bills.  hope the job doesnt kill me.. :)
[03:05] <nickrud> if the job doesn't the kids probably will
[03:06] <Jack_Sparrow> THanks.. that helps
[03:08] <nickrud> heh :) You'll probably enjoy it again, if your presence here means anything
[03:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Ill still try to stop in as often as I can..
[03:09] <nickrud> that's what I saw. my email's on launchpad, keep in touch
[04:09] <Ttech> "Aferedahock> ##Linux , #Archlinux & #ubuntu : friendly atmosphere. Nice chatters and ops required."
[04:09] <tritium> Thanks for reporting that, Ttech.
[04:09] <Ttech> ;P
[04:09] <Ttech> lol
[04:09] <Ttech> hahhaahh
[04:09] <Ttech> lmao
[04:09] <Ttech> echo?
[04:09] <Ttech> well bye
[04:10] <tritium> Ttech: ?
[04:10] <Ttech> I was jut in Ubuntu
[04:10] <Ttech> ;P
[04:10] <tritium> Yes, I know.
[04:10] <Ttech> lol
[04:11] <tritium> What's funny, Ttech?
[04:11] <Ttech> tritium,  how you said that
[04:11] <Ttech> the thanks
[04:11] <Ttech> like I was not even in #ubuntu
[04:11] <Ttech> ;P
[04:11] <Ttech> lol
[04:11]  * Ttech runs before I get #ubutnu ops mad at me
[04:11] <tritium> Ttech: no, as I said, this is the proper place to report it, not #ubuntu
[04:12] <Ttech> yes
[04:12] <Ttech> And then you said it like I was not in #ubutnu
[04:12] <Ttech> when I first said it
[04:12] <Ttech> never midn
[04:13] <tritium> I have no idea what you're trying to say.
[04:19] <mneptok> udd bant ger ong basz
[04:20] <tritium> Ttech: wil there be anything else?
[04:21] <tritium> mneptok: you're silly
[04:22] <mneptok> welg me, you girgik hulra
[04:39] <nickrud> tritium gotta remember, he hangs out in -offtopic ;)
[04:40] <tritium> nickrud: oh yeah, that's right ;)
[04:46] <mneptok> "hangs out" is a bit strong.
[04:46] <tritium> mneptok: care to translate what you said above?
[04:46] <mneptok> i mean, i can take some humor at my expense. but let's not be *nasty*, hm? ;)
[04:48] <mneptok> Ttech: are you almost done in the bathroom?
[04:51] <mneptok> eeek!
[04:52] <Hobbsee> mneptok: don't kick.  remove
[04:52] <mneptok> too late
[04:52] <Hobbsee> ...
[04:56] <Ttech> mneptok, sorry. :)
[04:56] <Ttech> Was away
[04:56] <Ttech> ;P
[04:59] <tritium> Hobbsee: is there any rhyme or reason to who has access level 10 vs. 5 in this channel?
[05:06] <tritium> mneptok: might you know?
[05:10] <mneptok> tritium: no ideer
[05:14] <anthony> tritium: I think it's based on where they are an op.
[05:14] <tritium> anthony, mneptok: thanks, I'm chatting with nalioth about it
[05:14] <anthony> tritium: ah, 'k.
[05:14] <tritium> :)
[08:24] <crackerjackz_> i was banned about an hour ago
[08:24] <crackerjackz_> just wondering why
[08:24] <crackerjackz_> was it cuz i said the F word or because i left with a negative attitude?
[08:26] <crackerjackz_> or some other reason
[08:28] <jussi01> crackerjackz_: Who was it that banned you? you will need to speak to them.
[08:28] <jussi01> @btlogin
[08:28] <fotoflo> herm, still banned on ubuntu
[08:29] <crackerjackz_> im not sure
[08:29] <crackerjackz_> i got really frustrated because i kept burning the ubuntu disk, and it would start loading the kernal then it would tell me it was missing a file
[08:30] <crackerjackz_> i got frustrated and said " F it" and quit the IRC
[08:30] <crackerjackz_> any ways
[08:30] <crackerjackz_> i figured maybe if i downloaded it on my other computer and tried burning it then it would work
[08:30] <crackerjackz_> so here i am....on my other computer
[08:31] <crackerjackz_> i never meant to offend any body or make any one mad
[08:32] <jussi01> !guidelines | crackerjackz_: I would suggest a read of these, while you wait for the peron who banned you. Im just lloking up who that is.
[08:32] <ubotu> crackerjackz_: I would suggest a read of these, while you wait for the peron who banned you. Im just lloking up who that is.: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[08:32] <crackerjackz_> well i wasent saying f it torwads you guys
[08:32] <crackerjackz_> i think who ever banned me took it the wrong way (if thats the reason they banned me)
[08:32] <crackerjackz_> its late
[08:33] <crackerjackz_> by f it i just mean f it
[08:33] <crackerjackz_> ill do it later
[08:33] <crackerjackz_> its late
[08:33] <crackerjackz_> im tired
[08:33] <crackerjackz_> meant**
[08:34] <stdin> we have a policy to keep language family-friendly, so no 'f' words at all please
[08:35] <crackerjackz_> ok
[08:35] <crackerjackz_> i never meant to offend any one =[
[08:39] <ikonia> considering he's still banned on #ubuntu - he looks quiet active in there
[08:39] <crackerjackz_> ??
[08:42] <ikonia> crackerjackz_: I was commenting that your in the #ubuntu channel even though you said you've been banned
[08:42] <crackerjackz_> ikonia i went in there to ask why i was banned, and i was directed to go here
[08:42] <crackerjackz_> just havent closed it out
[08:43] <crackerjackz_> better?
[08:43] <ikonia> crackerjackz_: you may want to do that reasonable quick,
[08:43] <ikonia> people can consider that ban evading
[08:44] <crackerjackz_> ok
[08:44] <crackerjackz_> isnt there some sort of log you can look at to see who banned me
[08:45] <jussi01> crackerjackz_: were you banned with this name? or another?
[08:46] <jussi01> ahh, seems it was ompaul.
[08:46] <crackerjackz_> the name i was banned under was " crackerjackz "
[08:47] <jussi01> you will need to speak to him.
[08:47] <crackerjackz_> hes not here is he
[08:47] <jussi01> no. try again in a few hours
[08:47] <crackerjackz_> i still dont really understand why i got banned though
[08:47] <crackerjackz_> what i did wasent really bad
[08:48] <ikonia> crackerjackz_: from what you've said, some pretty rude swearing
[08:48] <crackerjackz_> i said f it and then closed out BitchX
[08:48] <ikonia> crackerjackz_: pretty rude
[08:48] <jussi01> crackerjackz_: I really suggest you come back in a few hours and talk to ompaul.
[08:48] <ikonia> swearing and running away
[08:48] <ikonia> yes, best advice
[08:48] <crackerjackz_> well i mean
[08:48] <crackerjackz_> it wasent directed torwards any of you
[08:49] <crackerjackz_> my train of thought when i said was like screw it ill try tomorrow its late im tired
[08:49] <crackerjackz_> yes i should have probably added those other two sentences
[08:49] <crackerjackz_> and it wouldnt have sounded so bad
[08:49] <crackerjackz_> but i wasent thinking
[08:49] <ikonia> crackerjackz_: someone pasted you the irc guilde lines, even "screw it" wouldn't really have been an acceptable way to behave
[08:49] <ikonia> crackerjackz_: rad the guidelines that where posted above
[08:50] <crackerjackz_> i wouldnt have said it if i would have known
[08:50] <jussi01> crackerjackz_: please. comeback and talk to ompaul. until he gets here, there is very little we can do.  And yes, please read the guidelines.
[08:50] <crackerjackz_> can i just idle here?
[08:50] <Jucato> nope
[08:51] <crackerjackz_> but i was only baneed from the channel #ubuntu
[08:51] <crackerjackz_> not from #ubuntu-ops
[08:51] <Jucato> I mean, you'll just have to come back later to check if he's around
[08:51] <jussi01> crackerjackz_: its a good idea to read /topic :)
[08:51] <crackerjackz_> o
[08:51] <crackerjackz_> op only channel?
[09:06] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu (gast)
[09:06] <Madpilot> dealt with.
[09:07] <Madpilot> bleh. not on irc for ages, and I get to kb when I do come back...
[09:07] <ikonia> it's a warm welcome back
[09:07]  * jussi01 huggles Madpilot
[10:09] <jussi01> hrm... what does that mean? (SendQ exceeded)
[10:09] <ikonia> I was just wondering that when you quit
[10:10] <jussi01> ikonia: thats my testing quassel core. Ive no idea what just happened to it.
[10:11] <ikonia> I'm googling,  saw you leave and wondered what that message was
[10:11]  * jussi01 goes to check the bash out put...
[10:11] <Jucato> http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/chanlist/trouble.html
[10:12] <jussi01> hrm
[10:13] <kloeri> jussi01: sendq exceeded means that the ircd's queue to your client got full
[10:13] <Jucato> heheh sendQ = send queue :)
[10:13] <kloeri> yeah, clever eh? :)
[10:13] <jussi01> hehe
[10:14] <jussi01> kloeri: what can i do to avoid that?
[10:14] <kloeri> excess flood is when your client send information faster than the server can process it
[10:14] <ikonia> almost like sendmail and mailq
[10:15] <kloeri> jussi01: can't really do anything about sendq exceeded other than not clogging up your line with too many torrents :p
[10:15] <ikonia> naughty jussi01
[10:15] <ikonia> ;)
[10:15] <Jucato> or typing /list over and over again :)
[10:15] <kloeri> there's a fairly simple technique you can use to avoid sending text too fast however
[10:16] <jussi01> yes?
[10:16] <kloeri> yeah, /list can be pretty bad as it sends the full list of (public) channels with no filtering server side
[10:16] <jussi01> kloeri: that client is on a webserver, probably the issue.
[10:16] <kloeri> if you want to avoid sending text too fast you can take advantage of knowing how big the buffer is (1500 bytes is a safe bet)
[10:17] <jussi01> ahh, exceelent :)
[10:17] <kloeri> so for every 1500 bytes you just ping yourself and wait for the pong before sending anymore (that way you know the buffer is empty again)
[11:14] <Lynoure> Don't kickban me for this, but could someone fix the !o4o to be a bit clearer? If nothing else, the word order is really bad.
[11:14] <PriceChild> !o4o
[11:14] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flame(channel) spam, wars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, spreading propaganda, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Policy)
[11:15] <PriceChild> Lynoure: what do you suggest?
[11:15] <Lynoure> PriceChild: I don't dare to suggest anything, but I have no idea what "turn into flame(channel) spam" means
[11:15] <Lynoure> maybe it's in the wrong place?
[11:17] <PriceChild> Lynoure: have you heard of the term 'flaming' ?
[11:17] <Lynoure> "turn into flame wars" sounds more logical
[11:17] <Lynoure> Yes, been on irc 18 years now.
[11:18] <Lynoure> but never heard of flame(channel)
[11:19] <PriceChild> the brackets are there to mean "could turn into flame spam or channel spam I think.
[11:19] <Lynoure> Actually, I think not
[11:20] <PriceChild> or to say channel is another word for it
[11:20] <Lynoure> Looks more like a misplaced replace
[11:21] <Lynoure> But, if that's how it is supposed to be, and you find it clear and understandable, not my place to criticize.
[11:25] <Lynoure> I'm a bit nervous to say this, in fear of getting banned, but I know that's not the point of the text it was originally supposed to be at. It was meant to be added to the list of inappropriate things.
[11:26] <Lynoure> I mean, the "(channel) spam" bit.
[11:27] <Lynoure> oh well.
[11:32] <PriceChild> grrr why would we ban? :/
!
[11:34] <jpatrick> PriceChild: I think sev got annoyed with her suggestions :(
[11:36] <jpatrick> afternoon Pici
[11:38]  * Pici is reading irclogs.ubuntu.com, forgot to re-open irssi last night
[12:18] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, J-_ said: !stats is <reply> Statistics for this channel can be found at http://nullcortex.com/irclogs/ubuntu-offtopic.html
[12:20] <Pici> No, I'd rather keep those unofficial.
[12:22] <jpatrick> what, logging -ot channels?
[12:42] <Pici> jpatrick: My bot sits in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic because I am (slowly) developing a new bantracker, since it was already sitting in the channels, I thought, hey, why not log and generate stats for them too.
[12:42] <Pici> I already do this for a few other channels the bot is in.
[12:42] <Pici> Anyway, I dont want a factoid for it.
[12:44] <jpatrick> Pici: ahhh, thought it was someone else
[13:01] <jpatrick> Pici: I say kick
[13:01] <jpatrick> ah, good, he's gone
[14:24] <jussio1> Pici: hei, I have a curiosity question?
[14:25] <Pici> jussio1: surely
[14:25] <jussio1> Pici: is there a reason you told someone not to /msg ubotu guidelines?? when you kicked?
[14:26] <Pici> Not?
[14:26] <jussio1> Linuturk [n=linuturk@fluxbuntu/developer/Linuturk] has left #ubuntu+1 [requested by Pici: "please don't /msg ubotu guidelines"]
[14:26] <LjL> i suppose he meant "please don't: /msg ubotu guidelines"
[14:26] <Pici> jussio1: er... should have been a comma or a period between those two.
[14:26] <jussio1> heh
[14:26] <Pici> whoops
[14:26] <jdong> lol
[14:26] <jdong> close enough :)
[14:27] <LjL> please don't /kick jdong
[14:27] <jussio1> :P
[14:37] <LjL> nalioth, close that channel please.
[14:38] <jussio1> yay, we love op impersonators dont we... :/
[14:38] <LjL> (while muted:)
[14:38] <LjL> [15:38:12] <PriceChildEMO> bazhang, them ask to him to getout of our channel
[14:39] <jussio1> oh, really...
[14:44] <LjL> !staff
[14:44] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[14:44] <LjL> i would like if you could investigate the status of #ubuntubrasil-orkut - as well as check "PricechildEMO" and "Mantega" in #ubuntu
[14:46] <LjL> [15:44:28] <PriceChildEMO> LjL, fuck off
[14:46] <Pici> *gasp*
[14:46] <LjL> just keeping you updated since they're muted
[14:46] <LjL> [15:45:15] <Mantega> I'm still here [15:45:18] <Mantega> assholes
[14:46] <Pici> Thanks, I didn't feel like staying opped just to watch the show
[14:49] <PriceChild> I fail.
[14:50]  * Pici pats PriceChild
[14:53] <Pici> !ping
[14:53] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[14:53] <jpatrick> "< ~tech_tard> JUST TRYIN TO TY ASS" ?
[15:01] <PriceChild> was told not to use caps, he's saying he was only trying to thank someone
[15:01] <Pici> and I removed him
[15:17]  * PriceChild looks over into -proxy-users
[15:18] <LjL> PriceChild: yes, he's joined from mibbit there :)
[15:22] <zewb> i just got banned for saying "santa maria"
[15:23] <Jack_Sparrow> NOthing about a cat in your pants or not staying on topic or ban evading?
[15:23] <zewb> it was a joke
[15:23] <zewb> jesus christ
[15:23] <LjL> [13:41] ***<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[15:23] <LjL> [16:13] <zewb> tengo el gato en mis pantalones
[15:23] <LjL> [16:13] <zewb> SANTA MARIA
[15:23] <LjL> [16:14] <zewb> hello
[15:23] <zewb> lol
[15:24] <LjL> [16:14] <Kungo> zewb...be carefull that is a very bad word
[15:24] <LjL> [16:14] *** zewb has left #ubuntu (requested by LjL: "You should have known better, bye")
[15:24] <LjL> [16:20] ***<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[15:24] <LjL> [16:20] <zewb> why was i just banned?
[15:24] <LjL> [16:20] <LjL> zewb, ask in #ubuntu-ops, and you're ban evading by the way
[15:24] <LjL> [16:21] <zewb> since when is santa maria a bad word?
[15:24] <LjL> [16:21] <zewb> im ban evading because i was banned by racists for expressing my spanish heritage
[15:24] <LjL> [16:21] *** zewb has left #ubuntu (requested by LjL: "You should have known better, bye")
[15:24] <LjL> come back when you've grown up, bye
[15:24] <zewb> this is abuse
[15:24] <zewb> i was making a joke
[15:24] <zewb> relax
[15:24] <LjL> !etiquette
[15:24] <LjL> !coc
[15:24] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubotu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense...
[15:24] <LjL> !guidelines
[15:24] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[15:24] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[15:25] <zewb> are you seriously going to ban me for saying i have a cat in my pants in spanish?
[15:25] <LjL> no, i'm not going to ban you
[15:25] <PriceChild> zewb: lets calm down. #ubuntu is a very busy channel.
[15:25] <zewb> well then unban me
[15:25] <LjL> no
[15:26] <elkbuntu> zewb, ban evading is a quite serious offense on this network
[15:27] <PriceChild> zewb: What is the purpose of #ubuntu?
[15:27] <zewb> what if the ban was completely unnecessary?
[15:27] <zewb> sorry, i just tried to liven things up with some humor
[15:27] <LjL> zewb, you've been banned enough times to know what is not acceptable.
[15:27] <LjL> come back in a month, bye
[15:27] <elkbuntu> zewb, you were clearly only there to disrupt
[15:28] <zewb> i was not
[15:28] <zewb> i come here to help people with their ubuntu-related issues
[15:28] <PriceChild> zewb: What is the purpose of #ubuntu?
[15:29] <zewb> don't patronize me
[15:29] <elkbuntu> since you seem think you've got so much humor, why not humor pricechild by answering his question
[15:31] <zewb> this looks like a textbook case of a severe moderator power trip
[15:32] <LjL> zewb: you've been kicked on: Sep 22 2007, Sep 23 2007, Sep 24 2007, Sep 27 2007, Sep 29 2007, Oct 21 2007, Oct 24 2007, Dec 07 2007, Dec 11 2007, Mar 09 2007, Mar 20 2007
[15:32] <Pici> zewb: We are being civil here, please try to cooperate.
[15:32] <zewb> oh ok, just kick me, that will prove me wrong
[15:32] <LjL> can you seriously think we're going to waste any more time with you?
[15:32] <LjL> no, you can't.
[15:32] <PriceChild> he will just evade that
[15:32] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, then it goes to the staff :)
[15:32] <PriceChild> :/
[15:34] <Pici> zewb has joined #ubuntu
[15:34] <jpatrick> awooga
[15:35] <zewb> what is the point of this?
[15:35] <zewb> im obviously not going to joke around anymore
[15:35] <zewb> why continue to kick me over and over?
[15:35] <Pici> zewb: You have a history of doing this, what makes you think that we're going to believe you this time
[15:35] <Pici> ..
[15:35] <z3wb> please, just give it a rest
[15:35] <z3wb> it's over
[15:39] <z3w8> can we just have a calm discussion about this?
[15:39] <Pici> zewb: You have a history of doing this, what makes you think that we're going to believe you this time
[15:39] <jpatrick> +d zewb
[15:39] <Pici> yes
[15:40] <LjL> don't say that in here
[15:40] <elkbuntu> time for a staff ping?
[15:40] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu (sexy (is back))
[15:41] <elkbuntu> five bucks zewb and sexu are in cohorts
[15:41] <Pici> sexy /is/ back. /me points at mneptok
[15:41] <elkbuntu> sexy*
[15:41] <zweb> let's just talk about this
[15:41] <elkbuntu> !staff
[15:41] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[15:41] <LjL> !staff
[15:41] <elkbuntu> :)
[15:42] <zbew> :D
[15:42] <elkbuntu> LjL, stay opped
[15:43] <zwerb> i have aspergers syndrome
[15:43] <zwerb> its not my fault
[15:43] <zwerb> ok
[15:43] <zwerb> there i said it
[15:43] <TheSheep> zwerb: 90% people in irc have it :)
[15:44] <zwerb> i know
[15:44] <kloeri> zwerb: stop evading bans please
[15:44] <jpatrick> LjL: +b *.hsd1.tx.comcast.net
[15:44] <LjL> no
[15:44] <Pici> lets ban texas.
[15:45] <Jucato> +b zwerb* ? :)
[15:45] <LjL> he's changing those as you can see
[15:45] <Pici> I think he wants to see how many times he comes back.
[15:46] <LjL> rather, i don't want to ban by <something that might let him stay out>, because i've already done that in #ubuntu
[15:46] <elkbuntu>  /mode +b z*!z*@* :Þ
[15:46] <LjL> he'd better not realize he can get in *there*
[15:47] <kloeri> you could try banning *!n=zewb@*
[15:47] <LjL> yes, that would be the <something that might let him stay out>
[15:47] <LjL> you can see chanserv did that in #ubuntu
[15:48] <elkbuntu>  /mode +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would work too
[15:48] <LjL> fellows
[15:48] <LjL> this channel is looooggged
[15:48] <LjL> why don't we give out regular expression classes for trolls too
[15:49] <Pici> But I can do /bans for channels I dont have access to...
[15:49] <LjL> Pici: if they're -s, yup you can
[15:49] <LjL> i think he's given up for the time being
[15:49] <elkbuntu> once staff spoke, yeah
[15:50] <mneptok>  /mode +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:50] <mneptok> ?
[15:51] <LjL> mneptok: see the c-76 (and others i didn't ban)
[15:51] <LjL> but anyway, really, i know how to ban
[15:51] <LjL> and i did that in #u
[15:51] <LjL> here i'd rather know what he's trying to do
[15:52] <mneptok> "win"
[15:52] <mneptok> and don;t try to figure out what that means, as it's pathetic.
[15:52] <LjL> i wouldn't have had a doubt on that :P
[15:53] <elkbuntu> that isp loves the number 98...
[15:54] <LjL> and 76
[15:54] <LjL> at least for texas
[15:55] <elkbuntu> yep
[15:55] <LjL> i'm not going to /who the whole comcast though, i've had enough exploding computers already
[15:56] <elkbuntu> seriously, so many of them have 98 in them *multiple* times
[15:57] <Pici> The #ubuntu ban is working fine.
[16:05] <elkbuntu> and he doubled his kick count within an hour. impressive
[16:05] <elkbuntu> s/doubled/more than doubled/
[16:38] <zuub> hello friends
[16:39] <jussi01> zuub: hi, how can we help?
[16:39] <zuub> well, a user by the name of LjL has been making sexual advances towards me
[16:40] <jussi01> LjL: ahh, ok.
[16:41] <ubotu> Slart called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[16:42] <jpatrick> Pici: smallfoot in +1
[16:42] <Pici> I know
[16:58] <Uixla> Hello!
[16:58] <Uixla> Can someone unban zewb?
[16:59] <Mez> @btlogin
[16:59] <Pici> Uixla: Are you zewb?
[16:59] <jpatrick> Mez: just scroll up
[17:00] <Mez> jpatrick, ah yes
[17:01] <LjL> Uixla, no
[17:02] <LjL> bonjour bascule
[17:02] <jpatrick> hi bascule, how may we help you?
[17:02] <Uixla> :(
[17:02] <bascule> hi
[17:03] <bascule> there was an incident last night in here involving someone called icesword
[17:03] <LjL> true
[17:03] <bascule> i felt that the descrition he gave could only really apply to me
[17:03] <LjL> bascule: what description?
[17:03] <bascule> I did not PM him or mention -uc in anyway
[17:04] <bascule> thedescrition that someone 'him' had claimed to be an op and had pulled him in to -uc
[17:05] <LjL> bascule, claiming to be an op is different from being an op... don't worry, we don't jump to certain conclusions that quickly despite rumors
[17:05] <bascule> his english was poor and it was a fractured conversation
[17:05] <Pici> Indeed.
[17:06] <bascule> OK, I just wanted to go on the record has having turned up an explained this was not me, I did not PM him or even mention any other channel to him
[17:06] <LjL> bascule: i tend to believe you, if that's any comfort.
[17:06] <bascule> thanks ljl
[17:06] <bascule> it actually is
[17:08] <mneptok> 4~~
[17:08] <mneptok> sorry, birds.
[17:08]  * mneptok gets them onto his lap
[17:08] <Mez> mneptok, are you freenode staff now ?
[17:08] <bascule> there is nothing else really, thanks for listening, and if my presence in any mainstream channels is causing anxiety or distress atbout my motives there is no need, I am just there
[17:08] <Mez> mneptok, wtf ?
[17:09] <Pici> Mez: ?
[17:09] <Mez> Pici,  ? ?
[17:09]  * Mez is confused.
[17:09] <mneptok> uh?
[17:09] <Pici> Just because he isnt making sense doesnt mean that hes staff
[17:09] <mneptok> what?
[17:09]  * Mez goes to sleep
[17:09] <mneptok> Pici++
[17:09] <Mez> Pici, no I thought he was staff cause LjL said earlier for him to look at the bans just after he'd said the guy had stopped cause staff had spoke
[17:10]  * Mez is still confused thoguh
[17:10] <mneptok> Mez: kleori
[17:10] <mneptok> bleh. kloeri.
[17:10] <jussi01> wow, arent we all having a fun day.
[17:10]  * mneptok waves for the /notice trigger
[17:10] <Mez> mneptok,  ?
[17:10] <mneptok> Mez: it was kloeri that spoke
[17:11] <Mez> mneptok, seriously, can I have some of whatever youre on ?
[17:11] <Pici> Mez: kloeri is staff.
[17:11] <mneptok> Mez: kloeri spoke. zewb stopped. LjL made the staff comment. and i have now said kloeri's nick so many times that he'she has gotten a /stalker notice.
[17:13] <Mez> :P
[17:13] <mneptok> and the "4~~" was one of my 3 cockatiels, roaming around my keyboard
[17:13] <Mez> now it all makes sense
[17:14] <Pici> I read that as cocktails
[17:14] <Mez> mneptok, I liked it better when you were just being strange
[17:14] <Mez> Pici, me too ;)
[17:14] <mneptok> Mez: noticed i never said i wasn't. i just pulled you further into my Zone Of Confusion.
[17:15] <mneptok> 13:12 <+Mez> now it all makes sense  << think about that. hide the knives, and really think about that.
[17:16] <mneptok> when my life makes sense, please explain it to me.
[17:16]  * Mez hasnt got time
[17:16] <Mez> am too tired...
[17:16] <Mez> I should have slept more last night
[17:17] <jpatrick> mneptok: what's a stalker /notice?
[17:18] <mneptok> jpatrick: i'm assuming kl.oeri has a /notice on mention of their nick. and i kept using it.
[17:18] <jpatrick> mneptok: ah, away_hilight_notice.pl most likely
[17:46] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jman said: who is jussi01?
[17:46] <jpatrick> ...
[17:46] <jpatrick> ubotu: tell Jman about yourself
[17:46] <jussi01> heh
[17:51] <pleia2> LjL: you about?
[17:51] <LjL> yes
[17:55] <jpatrick> hi crackerjackz, how can we help you?
[17:55] <crackerjackz> im looking for ompaul
[17:55] <crackerjackz> i think thats his name
[17:56] <crackerjackz> he banned me from #ubuntu
[17:56] <jpatrick> he's not here at the moment, you'll have to wait
[17:56] <crackerjackz> there seems to some sort of misunderstanding
[17:56] <crackerjackz> alright
[17:56] <jpatrick> one moment please
[17:56] <crackerjackz> to be**
[17:56] <crackerjackz> ok
[18:01] <jpatrick> hmm, can't find you in the bantracker, sorry, best wait till he comes back
[18:02] <crackerjackz> it happened about 4 am
[18:02] <crackerjackz> 5 am
[18:02] <crackerjackz> maybe 3 am
[18:02] <jpatrick> same nick as right now?
[18:02] <crackerjackz> somewhere in that ball park
[18:02] <crackerjackz> yes sir
[18:02] <crackerjackz> different IP though
[18:02] <crackerjackz> not sure which IP it was
[18:03]  * jpatrick is not a sir :)
[18:03] <crackerjackz> sorry jpatrick
[18:09]  * jpatrick hugs crackerjackz
[18:18] <crackerjackz> =]
[18:18] <crackerjackz> hugs not drugs
[18:19] <jpatrick> crackerjackz: "2008/03/28/#ubuntu.log:06:22:30 < crackerjackz> fuck it"
[18:19] <crackerjackz> yes
[18:19] <crackerjackz> thats what i said
[18:20] <jpatrick> yes, it's not allowed in #ubuntu, hence why ompaul banned..
[18:20] <mneptok> !language > crackerjackz
[18:20] <crackerjackz> yes i know
[18:20] <crackerjackz> when i said f it though
[18:20] <crackerjackz> my train of thought was
[18:20] <crackerjackz> f it
[18:20] <crackerjackz> its late
[18:20] <crackerjackz> ill worry about it tomorrow
[18:20] <crackerjackz> the comment wasent directed torwards any one in the chat
[18:21] <jpatrick> it was just an expression of surprise, I can see
[18:21] <mneptok> that doesn;t matter
[18:21] <mneptok> it's a *language* policy, not a motivation policy
[18:21] <crackerjackz> i know
[18:21] <crackerjackz> i know that now**
[18:21] <jpatrick> crackerjackz: well, I'll tell ompaul when I see him, don't worry :)
[18:22] <crackerjackz> ok
[18:22] <crackerjackz> thank you jpatrick
[18:22] <crackerjackz> it wont happen again
[18:22] <jpatrick> wb popey
[18:22] <crackerjackz> please explain to him what i meant about the f it comment
[18:22] <jpatrick> crackerjackz: you're welcome
[18:22] <popey> ta
[18:22] <crackerjackz> i dont want him thinknig it was directed torwards any one
[18:22] <mneptok> crackerjackz: i doubt he thinks that
[18:23] <crackerjackz> mneptok ok good
[18:24] <jpatrick> crackerjackz: well, have a good nights sleep and don't worry
[18:26] <crackerjackz> well im gonna go ahead and stay up the extra few hours so i can actually get on a sleep schedule
[18:27] <crackerjackz> i finally did get ubuntu working though =]
[18:27] <jpatrick> first time on Linux?
[18:27] <crackerjackz> well a friend of mine setup gentoo on my computer about 5-6 months ago through SSH from 3 states away
[18:27] <crackerjackz> and iv been learning on that
[18:27] <crackerjackz> but this is the first time on ubuntu
[18:28] <crackerjackz> (put ubuntu on my moms computer)
[18:28] <crackerjackz> got tired of formating her windblowz box every 2 months
[18:29] <crackerjackz> from what iv heard ubuntu is pretty user friendly so i figured it would be perfect for her
[18:29] <jpatrick> well, welcome to Ubuntu :)
[18:29] <crackerjackz> thank you
[18:30] <crackerjackz> jpatrick can you see the ctcp that i did on my self?
[18:30] <Pici> No, we can't see that.
[18:30] <crackerjackz> [14:28:29] CTCP VERSION reply from crackerjackz<EMAIL_ADDRESS>KVIrc 3.2.6 'Anomalies' 20070627 - build Sun Jan 13 08:42:31 UTC 2008 - i686-bcfikopsxAGTZ - Linux (2.6.22-gentoo-r8)
[18:31] <jpatrick> crackerjackz: ctcp's are usually a bad idea
[18:31] <crackerjackz> i know
[18:32] <crackerjackz> im pretty confident in my security though
[18:32] <jpatrick> hey ompaul, just the guy we wanted! :)
[18:32] <crackerjackz> =]
[18:33] <jpatrick> ompaul: you banned crackerjackz yesterday in #u, because he said the f word, when he said it in the sense of surprise, could you look into it?
[18:33] <crackerjackz> ompaul my train of thought when i said it was like
[18:34] <crackerjackz> f it, its late im tired ill worry about it later
[18:34] <ompaul> crackerjackz, <crackerjackz> fuck it ... I know remember it was not 12 hours ago
[18:34] <crackerjackz> it wasent directed torwards any one
[18:34] <ompaul> ehh its not late
[18:34] <ompaul> it is 18:34 you are dealing with a 24/7 thing
[18:34] <ompaul> crackerjackz, got your web browser handy?
[18:34] <crackerjackz> ompaul yes
[18:35] <ompaul> crackerjackz, I'll take 10 of your minutes so you can understand my thinking
[18:35] <ompaul> !guidelines
[18:35] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[18:35] <jpatrick> ompaul: we've shown him !guidelines...
[18:35] <crackerjackz> ok
[18:35] <ompaul> ack
[18:35] <ompaul> crackerjackz, read it yet?
[18:35] <crackerjackz> not all of it
[18:35] <crackerjackz> still reading
[18:36] <ompaul> what do you feel the core idea behind it is?
[18:37] <crackerjackz> well i feel that there are plenty of words in the english dictionary to get my point across i didnt really need to use vulgarity
[18:37] <crackerjackz> so i understand your posistion
[18:37] <crackerjackz> its a family oriented channel
[18:37] <ompaul> would it be fair to say: don't annoy others and keep in mind that other people have other levels of acceptable behaviour so please consider them
[18:38] <crackerjackz> can you rephrase that not sure i follow that
[18:38] <ompaul> multi parts then
[18:38] <ompaul> don't annoy others
[18:38] <ompaul> others have different values
[18:39] <ompaul> others have different ideas of what acceptable behaviour
[18:39] <ompaul> please don't annoy / offend them - their culture may not be yours
[18:39] <ompaul> then we can go forward with a level of common interest
[18:40] <crackerjackz> understandable
[18:40] <ompaul> i.e. supporting / using software and asking questions about it ;-)
[18:41] <ompaul> so would you say that was a fair summary of the ideas in that document?
[18:42] <crackerjackz> indeed
[18:42] <crackerjackz> aside from no spamming and flooding
[18:42] <crackerjackz> but i guess that would go right along with annoying
[18:43] <ompaul> crackerjackz, if you try to join #ubuntu you will not find the way barred have a good weekend
[18:43] <crackerjackz> ???
[18:44] <ompaul> the ban is lifted
[18:44] <ompaul> have a good way
[18:44] <ompaul> have a good day
[18:44] <jpatrick> LjL: bots acting up
[18:44] <jpatrick> mode/#ubuntu [-b ljl!*@*] by FloodBot2, FloodBot3, FloodBot1
[18:44] <crackerjackz> you mean i can go back in #ubuntu?
[18:44] <LjL> jpatrick: they're not really acting up, although they shouldn't all do that...
[18:45] <ompaul> crackerjackz, yes
[18:45] <jpatrick> crackerjackz: yes, you can
[18:45] <crackerjackz> ompaul thank you
[18:45] <jpatrick> LjL:  mode/#ubuntu [+J 2,5] by FloodBot2, FloodBot3
[18:45] <jpatrick> hmm
[18:45] <ompaul> jpatrick, that is normal
[18:45] <jpatrick> ompaul: ok
[18:45] <LjL> that's the main reason they're there :)
[18:45] <ompaul> neither sees it so they do it at the same time
[18:45] <ompaul> hehe
[18:46] <LjL> ompaul: actually they see it...
[18:46] <ompaul> crackerjackz, is there anything else
[18:46] <LjL> ompaul: unless they happen to decide to do it at *exactly* the same time, before each other's reaches the server
[18:46] <ompaul> ack
[18:46] <crackerjackz> ompaul not that i can think of at the moment
[18:46] <ompaul> crackerjackz, cheers
[18:47] <crackerjackz> =]
[18:47] <jpatrick> !idle | crackerjackz
[18:47] <ubotu> crackerjackz: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[18:48] <crackerjackz> indeed
[18:48] <crackerjackz> thanks =]
[19:22] <jpatrick> grr, this jojojo's been trolling for a while..
[19:23] <ompaul> jpatrick, not any more
[20:16] <jpatrick> anyone see what JDS is typing in #ubuntu?
[20:16] <LjL> likely to be koi-8 russian
[20:19]  * jussi01 creeps behind the desk to hide from LjL's @
[20:19] <jussi01> :)
[20:29] <jussi01> heya Pricey_
[20:30] <jussi01> :(
[20:33] <Gary> he is playing with utf8 jussi01 :p
[20:33] <Gary> and failing, hehehe
[20:33] <jussi01> hehe
[20:33] <PriceChild> Gary: I don't want to have to restart :(
[20:33] <Gary> fail
[20:33] <Gary> I had no choice
[20:33] <LjL> PriceChild: you're trying to read koi-8? :P
[20:34] <PriceChild> nope
[20:34] <Gary> he just wants to see the little love hearts Seveas does to him
[20:34] <jussi01> PriceChild: may I pm for a moment? (if you have time?)
[20:35] <PriceChild> of course
[20:40] <LjL> Gary: oh, his ubuntu has a broken heart?
[20:42] <Gary> LjL: no, he just misses the pretty hearts Seveas sends him
[20:43] <LjL> so his system doesn't render the heart character correctly
[20:43] <LjL> that's a broken heart in my book
[21:40] <Gary> LjL: suppose so
[21:57] <jpatrick> I'm forward banning  pgquiles_ to ##fix_your_connection in -motu
[22:01] <jpatrick> will remove first thing tomorrow morning
[22:03] <LjL> 104... are they exploit happy in some of the channels he's in?
[22:06] <jpatrick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61422/
[22:06] <jpatrick> must be the -windows one
[22:20] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, crackerjackz said: ubotu that is way over my head
[22:21] <LjL> i concur
[22:50] <PriceChild> I haven't done very well this past day or so.
[22:50] <LjL> hm?
[22:50] <jdong> PriceChild: it's not you
[22:51] <PriceChild> jdong: I hate hearing that...
[22:51] <jdong> PriceChild: do you get that a lot?
[22:52] <PriceChild> Obviously being a geek I never get that far, but I hate hearing it.
[22:53] <mneptok> i love Ubuntu, i'm just not *in love* with Ubuntu.
[22:53] <mneptok> i think we'd do better as friends.
[22:53] <mneptok> or the classic, "i'm saving myself for Steve Jobs."
[22:54] <LjL> or the classic, OHNO IT'S MNEPTOK, RUN
[22:55] <mneptok> i can smell the fear and panic on the wind. it's ... intoxicating ...
[22:56] <zenwhen> Hello
[22:56] <zenwhen> I am not going to cause a big fuss.
[22:56] <zenwhen> But I am rather unhappy.
[22:57] <PriceChild> Hey zenwhen :/
[22:57] <zenwhen> If people cannot be critical of those who govern a community, then there is no community.
[22:58] <zenwhen> thats really all I have to say.
[22:58] <LjL> zenwhen, "being critical" doesn't equal spending your day doing propaganda, though.
[23:00] <zenwhen> The term propaganda is soooo subjective.
[23:00] <PriceChild> zenwhen: have you kept up to date with the surrounding events in this channel?
[23:00] <zenwhen> yes
[23:00] <LjL> zenwhen, well, for starters, i subjectively call sending PMs about another channel to whoever enters a channel - propaganda
[23:00] <PriceChild> zenwhen: so do you understand why I placed the ban?
[23:01] <zenwhen> No
[23:01] <zenwhen> Was it based on what she said in the channel?
[23:01] <zenwhen> Or a PM?
[23:01] <PriceChild> zenwhen: so could you PM me so we can discuss things, or read our channel, before we go about critisizing me here in a logged channel?
[23:02] <zenwhen> I really do not want to get in a huge debate.
[23:02] <PriceChild> Yes I probably shouldn't have done what I did, however I would appreciate you hearing my reasoning before saying such things in here.
[23:02] <zenwhen> I have so much else to do.
[23:02] <zenwhen> I'm sorry.
[23:02] <PriceChild> meh, me too
[23:03] <zenwhen> I just wanted to put that out there. I'm going to be very soured on the whole IRC aspect of the community if people start getting banned left and right in #ubuntuforums. Thats not why I wanted that channel to exist.
[23:03] <zenwhen> I wanted it to be so much different than that.
[23:03] <zenwhen> Im just gonna go clean my yard. Bye for now.


[00:30] <KGB-0> gnome-user-docs ubuntu/master f6d4c81 Gunnar Hjalmarsson * pushed 77 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/1cG4
[00:30] <KGB-0> gnome-user-docs ubuntu/master acb6abf Fran Dieguez gnome-help/gl/gl.po * Update Galician translation * https://deb.li/3ocrU
[00:30] <KGB-0> gnome-user-docs ubuntu/master fd980eb Fran Dieguez gnome-help/gl/gl.po * Update Galician translation * https://deb.li/ScvA
[00:30] <KGB-0> gnome-user-docs ubuntu/master 0bada02 Andre Klapper gnome-help/gl/gl.po * Fix broken markup in Galician gnome-help translation * https://deb.li/3bXti
[00:30] <KGB-0> gnome-user-docs ubuntu/master 544c4da Fran Dieguez gnome-help/gl/gl.po * Update Galician translation * https://deb.li/3VXjD
[00:30] <KGB-0> gnome-user-docs ubuntu/master 02da833 Andre Klapper gnome-help/C/translate.page * gnome-help: Replace i18n mailing list URL by GNOME Discourse * https://deb.li/DXcg
[00:31] <KGB-0> gnome-user-docs signed tags baf8fd6 Gunnar Hjalmarsson ubuntu/44_rc-1ubuntu1 * gnome-user-docs Debian release 44~rc-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3LF4l
[08:21] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:35] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[08:40] <bittin> morning
[11:29] <lissyx> ricotz, a new patch is there, can you test?
[11:33] <ricotz> lissyx, already did, and it still fails
[11:33] <lissyx> ricotz, did you notified that on the bug?
[11:34] <ricotz> lissyx, since the patch changed multiple times since yesterday, I am not sure when to report anything
[11:35] <lissyx> I dont know, serge told me this morning at 0730 that he did update yesterday everning the patch and was waiting on your feedabck
[11:35] <lissyx> but you can see, 0730 => 1230
[11:35] <lissyx> huge delay.
[11:36] <ricotz> https://phabricator.services.mozilla.com/D172149 and I was waiting for his response to jcristau's comment
[11:37] <lissyx> it's marked as done, so I think it's good
[11:38] <ricotz> I see, jfyi https://launchpadlibrarian.net/655305516/buildlog_ubuntu-lunar-armhf.firefox-trunk_112.0~a1~hg20230310r656092-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~umd1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:38] <lissyx> how to verify which version of the patch was applied from that log
[11:38] <ricotz> so this might still be some ubuntu specific behaviour masked by the buildsys layers
[11:39] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcefiles/firefox-trunk/112.0~a1~hg20230310r656092-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~umd1/firefox-trunk_112.0~a1~hg20230310r656092-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~umd1.debian.tar.xz
[11:39] <lissyx> no git web ?
[11:40] <ricotz> debian/patches/D172149.diff
[11:40] <ricotz> sorry no, I haven't pushed this yet, while it doesnt work
[11:59] <seb128> new GNOME stack migrated out of proposed!
[12:42] <ricotz> lissyx, fyi https://github.com/xtensor-stack/xsimd/pull/908/files/88f57b72acc78274fa4835e5fd12f7aa8b8955a7
[12:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Pull 908 in xtensor-stack/xsimd "On some platforms __ARM_NEON is enough to decide we have Neon support" [Open]
[12:43] <KGB-2> gnome-builder pristine-tar 8513317 Jeremy Bicha gnome-builder_44~rc.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-builder_44~rc.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-builder_44~rc.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/RUys
[12:46] <KGB-2> ghex signed tags 78c2173 Jeremy Bicha upstream/44_rc * Upstream version 44~rc * https://deb.li/70Lh
[12:46] <KGB-2> ghex upstream/latest 3376605 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 10 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3rh6c
[12:46] <KGB-2> ghex upstream/latest 9ee97f4 Christian Kirbach po/de.po * Update German translation * https://deb.li/3MftG
[12:46] <KGB-2> ghex upstream/latest d2006f3 Balázs Úr po/hu.po * Update Hungarian translation * https://deb.li/IfqF
[12:46] <KGB-2> ghex upstream/latest 446dc86 Anders Jonsson po/sv.po * Update Swedish translation * https://deb.li/3e0w1
[12:46] <KGB-2> ghex upstream/latest faa289f Asier Sarasua Garmendia po/eu.po * Update Basque translation * https://deb.li/3k9od
[12:46] <KGB-2> ghex upstream/latest 5abe487 Sabri Ünal po/tr.po * Update Turkish translation * https://deb.li/i7UrV
[12:49] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master b98e372 Gunnar Hjalmarsson debian/changelog * Add additional bug reference * https://deb.li/p0Ig
[12:51] <KGB-0> gnome-settings-daemon pristine-tar 92413fd Jeremy Bicha gnome-settings-daemon_44~rc.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-settings-daemon_44~rc.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-settings-daemon_44~rc.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/dHWU
[12:59] <KGB-0> gnome-settings-daemon signed tags 14cfc3a Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/44_rc-1ubuntu1 * gnome-settings-daemon Debian release 44~rc-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3198F
[12:59] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master fc043d8 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 35 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3pfL7
[12:59] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master c8b13b7 Alan Mortensen po/da.po * Update Danish translation * https://deb.li/090j
[12:59] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master a7060ce Мирослав Николић po/sr.po * Update Serbian translation * https://deb.li/ipUCR
[12:59] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master b71e241 Balázs Úr po/hu.po * Update Hungarian translation * https://deb.li/iQT6d
[12:59] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master 1e72b28 Matej Urbančič po/sl.po * Update Slovenian translation * https://deb.li/xHhI
[13:00] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master d6e5b0b Quentin PAGÈS po/oc.po * Update Occitan translation * https://deb.li/3l9yA
[13:24] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master f79af39 Jeremy Bicha debian/patches/series * Temporarily disable triple buffering patch * https://deb.li/3Pfry
[13:24] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 7c9c246 Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package mutter version 44~rc-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/sHwG
[13:24] <KGB-2> mutter signed tags f765b59 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/44_rc-1ubuntu1 * mutter Debian release 44~rc-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3n9YM
[15:23] <ricotz> hello sru-team, please take a look at libreoffice waiting in kinetic/unapproved-queue (the build with the following autopkgtests run will take quite some time, it would be nice to have those running over the weekend)
[15:23] <ricotz> sorry wrong channel
[15:45] <GunnarHj> Hi jbicha, Salsa is in a bad mood today, but this is what I tried to call your attention to:
[15:45] <GunnarHj> https://salsa.debian.org/gunnarhj/gnome-user-docs/-/commit/8f48bdb9
[15:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 8f48bdb in gunnarhj/gnome-user-docs "d/watch: Make uscan see also alpha|beta|rc releases"
[15:56] <lissyx> ricotz, have you been able to give a try to https://github.com/xtensor-stack/xsimd/pull/908#discussion_r1132363749 ?
[15:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Pull 908 in xtensor-stack/xsimd "On some platforms __ARM_NEON is enough to decide we have Neon support" [Open]
[16:18] <jbicha> GunnarHj: yeah, I did the same thing where I found the commit you made on your branch :)
[16:25] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Does it make sense, or were such releases excluded intentionally?
[16:26] <jbicha> GunnarHj: I commented on your merge proposal
[16:27] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Yeah, just saw it.
[18:20] <KGB-0> glib signed tags d87ff82 Jeremy Bicha upstream/2.76.0 * Upstream version 2.76.0 * https://deb.li/3eY4z
[18:20] <KGB-2> glib upstream/latest be90b7f Jeremy Bicha * pushed 23 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/pYRn
[18:21] <KGB-2> glib upstream/latest 58a3243 Alexander Shopov po/bg.po * Update Bulgarian translation * https://deb.li/3j367
[18:21] <KGB-2> glib upstream/latest 2dad35f Piotr Drąg po/pl.po * Update Polish translation * https://deb.li/158U
[18:21] <KGB-2> glib upstream/latest e75ba52 Marek Černocký po/cs.po * Update Czech translation * https://deb.li/3B7tF
[18:21] <KGB-2> glib upstream/latest 406143b Ondrej Holy gio/gfile.c * gfile: Fix file size detection when copying on btrfs * https://deb.li/Z7qi
[18:21] <KGB-2> glib upstream/latest 4e62e55 Philip Withnall gio/ gfile.c gpollfilemonitor.c * gfile: Check ETag attribute is present before trying to get it * https://deb.li/3LYwh
[22:29] <xypron> jbicha: the latest upgrade (44~beta-1ubuntu1) of gnome-shell renders Gnome unusable at least on RISC-V LP #2011271.
[22:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 2011271 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gdm3: 'Oh no! Something has gone wrong.'" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2011271
[22:57] <jbicha> xypron: do you want to give 44rc a try once it finishes building? https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/arch2
[23:12] <xypron> jbicha: I will give it a try