[15:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are the chromium dailies off?
[15:14] <micahg> chromium-browser 13 days ago Successfully built (from the daily PPA)
[16:21] <micahg> does anyone else see a larger gap between folders with thunderbird 10?
[18:34] <cousin_luigi> Hello.


[00:07] <Bundestrojaner> viewer|91144: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Oneiric_Installation_Guide#Hybrid_Graphics_and_Catalyst
[00:07] <Bundestrojaner> i guess that's the problem
[02:45] <cyberpunk21> Hey! Is it safe to upgrade from kde 15.10 to the latest 15.12? Is this going to change my current settings (completely)?
[03:28] <Zren> 5.12?
[03:28] <Zren> 15.12?
[03:34] <Guest59394> Hey
[03:34] <Guest59394> Anyone here?
[03:34] <Guest59394> I need some help configuring my kde
[04:57] <pigeta> hi all
[04:58] <pigeta> after upgrade to15.10 to16.04 i cant see videos on twicht.tv i can see only black screen
[05:17] <valorie> pigeta: are you missing flash?
[05:17] <valorie> have you tried a different browser?
[06:51] <Kenshiwara> Hello, everyone! please, can anyone help me with this question? (http://askubuntu.com/questions/763563/how-to-copy-files-from-one-directory-to-another-after-closing-the-dolphin-file-m)
[06:59] <valorie> Kenshiwara: why close dolphin?
[06:59] <valorie> if you want to do it quickly,  just do it in the commandline
[07:00] <valorie> mv ~/path/to/file /new/path/to/file
[07:07] <Kenshiwara> valorie: Thanks for your reply. Dolphin is still running and opened! it is just that closing the instance of it that displays the files to be copied causes the clipboard to get cleared instantly and thus preventing the pasting function. This issue does not happen with other file managers as i have been a Linux user for so long.
[07:24] <Kenshiwara> valorie: The problem was from my clipboard manager. It was not running at all with the OS. Enabling the clipboard manager solves the issue with Dolphin. Thanks anyway for your help!
[07:26] <FlameReaper-PC> How do I perform an upgrade to 15.10? The updater doesn't seem to "know" 16.04 is already out. Does setting "Check for LTS releases only" in software sources have something to do with this?
[07:27] <FlameReaper-PC> err
[07:27] <FlameReaper-PC> i mean
[07:27] <FlameReaper-PC> upgrade from 15.10 to 16.04.
[07:29] <valorie> FlameReaper-PC: yes
[07:29] <valorie> uncheck that and the new release will show up
[07:30] <valorie> although it's odd that would show up on 15.10
[07:35] <FlameReaper-PC> actually nevermind, it's in the discover app
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:26] <swimmer_> hi everyone: I installed ubuntu 16.04 and then, kde. Now i cant print with kde apps (kwrite, gwenview...) but can print with libreoffice. Do I need to install a specific package to be able to print?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> swimmer_, install kubuntu-desktop plasma-desktop
[11:32] <swimmer_> but I have the plasma-desktop installed
[11:32] <BluesKaj> kubuntu-desktop as well?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> ok, you must have it too since plasma-desktop is now integrated with it
[12:10] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: You know by chance if the plasma developers are intending to port kjots ???
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, to 16.04?
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, I'm already testing yakkety 16.10, and there's no listing in muon for kjots... yet
[12:32] <drbobb> hey got an issue with Kmail: the message list is unreadable! seems that the text colors blend right into the background. Tried changing KDE color scheme, to no effect.
[12:42] <drbobb> this is on a fresh install of 16.04
[12:47] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: That's bad. kjots was one of the best applications to store knowledge-snippets.
[12:51] <luisssss> Hello everyone, good morning to you all, i just find out the existence of Kubuntu Plasma Mobile, but it says that image can be install ona Nexus, my question is if there is or is going to be a version for samsung galaxy ace 4 cel phones?
[12:59] <luisssss> Hello everyone, good morning to you all, i just find out the existence of Kubuntu Plasma Mobile, but it says that image can be install ona Nexus, my question is if there is or is going to be a version for samsung galaxy ace 4 cel phones?
[13:04] <chron1cle> luisssss: my understanding is that it's pretty pre-alpha at the moment. maybe in the future?
[13:05] <luisssss> ook thank you very much
[13:07] <drbobb> nobody here uses kmail?
[13:08] <hateball> drbobb: perhaps more response in #kde
[13:18] <drbobb> hateball: nope.
[13:19] <hateball> drbobb: I've no other advice than to be patient then
[13:20] <chron1cle> i use kmail but don't have those issues? check kmail settings and set custom colors under appearence
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, just got an answer to your question : "no, that's one of the applications that the kdepim developers killed during the kf5 porting (at least for now)"
[13:21] <drbobb> things do improve once I switch the header list style in the view menu
[13:36] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: Darn ... :(
[13:36] <Smurphy> Thx.
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, yw
[13:41] <Guest45089> nice
[13:42] <BluesKaj> thomas__, nice ?
[13:42] <thomas__> :0
[16:59] <kaddi> hi guys. Recently upgraded to 16.04. Today I start up my computer and the network applet claims there's no device it can connect to anything.. This is however not true, I have wifi, bluetooth and lan on the machine and it worked rtight until the shutdown earlier today.
[17:00] <kaddi> I saw that the wifi was blacklisted by rkill, i unblocked the device no rkill, then did a sudo ifconfig wlan0 up, but it still doesn't seem to be running and I cna't connect to any networks
[17:00] <kaddi> how do i fix that
[17:02] <acheron88> try restarting networks and/or network manager. That usually resets the nm applet seeing wifi corrctly again for me at least
[17:03] <kaddi> how do I do that? the applet is plasma-nm, but that's not the name to call it buy?
[17:03] <kaddi> by
[17:04] <acheron88> 'sudo systemctl restart network-manager.service' is one restart that may do it
[17:05] <kaddi> thx
[17:05] <acheron88> may or may not works. depends on what exactly crapped out
[17:05] <kaddi> yeah that seems to have helped
[17:05] <kaddi> actually, I think the problem was multifold. just also got the request for the netowrk manager to access the wallet
[17:06] <kaddi> so it wouldn't have been able to identify with the network ebcause it didn't have the credentials if it had worked
[17:16] <corsario> buenas tardes
[17:16] <corsario> alguno me puede ayudar con el mount.cifs
[17:17] <corsario> por ahora tengo funcionando el del pc, pero el disco duro que tengo en el router como en el reproductor multimedia, no logro montarlo
[17:19] <BluesKaj> !es | corsario
[17:19] <corsario> thanks
[17:35] <ozberk> h
[17:35] <ozberk> hi guys
[17:36] <ozberk> I have a problem about sound there is no sound in my kubuntu system please people help meee
[17:39] <Smurphy> System Settings -> Multimedia -> Audio and Video
[17:39] <Smurphy> And check the Audio PLayback -> Music
[17:39] <Smurphy> Also - check how output Device is configured in "Audio Volume"
[17:54] <usermoddell> When I try to start the new Kubuntu 16.4 from the USB-Stick I get a black display. I copied the iso-file with dd an the right parameters on the stick.
[18:17] <FlameReaper-PC> 16.04 doesn't seem to register wacom tablet strokes for some odd reason.
[18:17] <FlameReaper-PC> It knows the tablet is in and moves the cursor accordingly, but I have a wacom graphic tablet and I need Kubuntu to play nice with it.
[18:30] <poua> hows new kubuntu 16.04 vs previous 15.xx
[18:31] <poua> last one i tried was i believe 15.04
[18:46] <zlo_> What;s up
[18:51] <ozberk> I checked
[18:51] <ozberk> now it is working
[18:58] <AciD`> hey, anybody having switched to 16.04 can confirm if plasmashell is constantly eating 15%+ of a cpu?
[18:59] <BluesKaj> AciD`, plasmashell is your desktop
[18:59] <AciD`> FlameReaper-PC -> my wacom tablet is recognized well
[18:59] <AciD`> BluesKaj -> yes?
[19:00] <BluesKaj> so it willuse some cpu
[19:00] <AciD`> it uses ~180Mio of ram, and ~15% of the cpu, constantly
[19:00] <AciD`> it was using far less before
[19:00] <AciD`> _far less_
[19:00] <AciD`> in the order or 1 or 2%
[19:00] <AciD`> *of
[19:00] <ozberk> ummm I have a dummy question
[19:01] <ozberk> how do I execute a .deb package by terminal
[19:01] <AciD`> hell, my whole system is constantly shugging 40% of my core i5, doing nothing more that typing or irc. That can't be right
[19:02] <BluesKaj> do you have FF open ?
[19:02] <AciD`> yep, but it uses close to nil
[19:03] <AciD`> plasmashell ~18%, chromium 7%, xorg 7%, steam 6%, kwin 1%
[19:06] <BluesKaj> sorry have to leave for a while
[19:09] <technocf> Hey, I just switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu and I went to install the additional drivers and I am getting "Collecting information about your system" continuously.  Ubuntu did it almost instantly, It's been open for ~8 minutes now.  I'm running Kubuntu 16.04 (downloaded it like an hour ago).
[19:15] <technocf> Anyone?
[19:16] <technocf> Might go back to Ubuntu.
[19:18] <viewer|92048> hi
[19:19] <viewer|92048> hi
[19:20] <viewer|92048> when kubuntu16.04 is going to available for upgrade to 14.04 LTS running boxes
[19:23] <marco-parillo> Does this sound like your bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1530523
[19:24] <marco-parillo> viewer|92048: I think by default when 16.04.1 is released.
[19:24] <viewer|92048> hey how to upgrade to 16.04 from 14.04
[19:24] <viewer|92048> i couldn't fnd any active link for support
[19:25] <marco-parillo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_14.04_LTS_or_15.10
[19:26] <marco-parillo> Personally, I save my real data (others save the entire $HOME) and do a fresh install.
[19:27] <soee> viewer|92048: can you try running  command: sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:27] <soee> viewer|92048: otherwise you should be infored about update when 16.04.1 is released
[19:34] <ozberk> guys need to ask you some questions. First I can't install dropbox due to a connection isssue yet my internet connection is fine as you can read. And about Spotify anyone use it I need help with the linux cilent
[19:39] <FlameReaper-PC> [02:59] <AciD`> FlameReaper-PC -> my wacom tablet is recognized well
[19:39] <FlameReaper-PC> it's recognized in mine too but it doesn't seem to register strokes for whatever reason
[19:39] <FlameReaper-PC> as in I press the stylus on the pad -> nothing happens
[19:48] <marco-parillo> ozberk: I once had an employer who blocked dropbox. Are you trying from work?
[19:51] <soee> i have the dropbox installed fine here
[19:52] <Unit193> Good for you.
[19:53] <ozberk> nope
[19:53] <ozberk> I'm tryin  from at home
[19:54] <ozberk> it says it can't connect to the server and suggests me to check my connection at the installation downloading dropboz phase
[19:55] <ozberk> dropbox
[19:58] <ozberk> hmmm also libre office can't connect to the google drive oh man too many options and half of them are broken
[19:58] <ozberk> lol
[20:27] <Pici> /25/25
[20:33] <ozberk> guys
[20:34] <ozberk> Trouble connecting to Dropbox servers. Maybe your internet connection is down, or you need to set your http_proxy environment variable. (Ubuntu Dropbox downloading error )
[20:34] <ozberk> how can I solve this
[21:11] <valorie> ozberk: I use a older but still useful tut for dropbox
[21:12] <valorie> sec and I'll get the link
[21:12] <valorie> https://www.nixternal.com/kde-and-dropbox/
[21:13] <valorie> I just scroll to the bottom and do the commandline stuff; quicker
[21:13] <valorie> I've followed it step by step though to understand all the commands
[21:15] <valorie> dropbox connects very reliably
[21:16] <valorie> in fact, I often check the icon to see if my problem is irc instability or internet connection, rather than clicking into the network manager for more information
[21:17] <AciD`> FlameReaper-PC -> well, it works for me
[21:58] <d9k_> Please, take a look at the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tortoisehg/+bug/1575919 updated from kubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 and qt4 qscintilla apps crash with segfault (somehow qt5 library loads instead of qt4)
[22:04] <rotten777> hey guys fresh install of 16.04 and trying to work out the integration with gmail and kaddressbook/kontact
[22:05] <rotten777> the docs reference a package that isn't found
[22:34] <goddard> how can i get the latest Qt libraries and ide?  Would that be KDE-Neon or some other manual way, or some kind of container?
[22:37] <Kubuvius> Is there a way to get video thumbnails working on Dolphin in 16.04
[23:23] <donatas> sveiki, turim cia lietuviu?
[23:23] <maxter> hey I'm trying to instal kubuntu 16.04 but when I download the iso and boot from it it doesn't give me the option to install
[23:25] <maxter> anyone?
[23:26] <goddard> that is odd
[23:27] <maxter> the only option to download is the desktop iso right?
[23:28] <ahoneybun> maxter does it boot right to the desktop?
[23:28] <maxter> yes
[23:28] <maxter> it boot right to the desktop
[23:28] <ahoneybun> I've seen that on a few machines
[23:28] <ahoneybun> VM and real hardware
[23:28] <ahoneybun> there is a widget on the desktop and a menu option to install
[23:29] <maxter> I'm booting from usb
[23:29] <maxter> I mean
[23:29] <maxter> If I hit enter it does give me some options but no install obtion listed
[23:29] <maxter> option
[23:39] <maxter> any one know how to solve this?
[23:41] <SergioEDuran1> Hi friends
[23:41] <SergioEDuran1> wich podcast manager ddo you recommend to me?
[23:42] <SergioEDuran1> better if I do not need to download the podcast but stream it
[23:45] <RansomTime> I use gpodder
[23:45] <RansomTime> but then I download my podcasts
[23:47] <SergioEDuran1> thanks RansomTime
[23:47] <SergioEDuran1> I wi see
[23:47] <SergioEDuran1> because gpodder is only for downloads


[19:50] <ajmitch_> morning
[20:32] <hads> morning
[20:41] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:42] <ajmitch_> I see they added in some extra funding options on that indiegogo campaign
[20:42] <ajmitch_> it'd annoy me if I'd put down $830 already :)
[20:44] <hads> What campaign?
[20:44] <hads> Oh
[20:44] <ajmitch_> the ubuntu edge one, http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge has it passing $5M now
[20:45] <ajmitch_> only relevant one for this channel ;)
[20:45] <hads> Did they add the lower reward options after the $830 one?
[20:47] <ajmitch_> yes, $625, $675, $725, $775
[20:47] <hads> That's rough.
[20:48] <ajmitch_> I know it'd slowed down a lot, but adding in cheaper options partway through is a bit rude
[20:49] <hads> If you contributed at the $830 Ubuntu Edge or $1,400 Double Edge levels before the new perks arrived, we’ll issue you a refund of the difference once the campaign is successful.
[20:50] <ajmitch_> ah, right down the bottom :)
[20:50] <ajmitch_> not quite so annoying then
[20:52] <ibeardslee> hmmmm .. hmmm ... do I, don't I
[20:53] <ibeardslee> Are they going to drop the idea of Ubuntu for Android for the likes of dedicated devices shuch as this?
[20:54] <ajmitch_> ubuntu for android isn't publically available yet anyway, so who knows?
[20:57] <hads> Indiegogo is a little annoying if you're using a foreign credit card. Since they charge you and if a campaign doesn't reach it's target they refund you then you'll be out the foreign exchange fees.
[20:58] <hads> Whereas Kickstarter doesn't charge the funds until the campaign copmletes.
[21:00] <hads> Wow, 4% gives Indiegogo nearly $1.3mil of the funds.
[21:00] <kcj> Morning.
[21:02] <hads> Plus payment fees of 3% so you lose 7% of the funds. Ouch.
[21:26] <ibeardslee> Well I'll have to wait until my credit card fills up again
[21:29] <ajmitch_> I filled up my credit card, but I'm resisting the call so far
[22:20] <Atamira> morning
[22:20] <Atamira> and nite


[00:00] <arraybolt3[m]> lxqt-config finished
[00:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): ^
[00:00] <tsimonq2> cool thanks
[00:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, glad we're redoing lximage-qt, Andrew's gotten ahead of the game on already 1.1.0'd it in Experimental. So now it's just a matter of Ubuntu differences and not a full-on upgrade.
[00:03] <arraybolt3[m]> s/on/and/
[00:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): OK, quick question. Andrew has version numbers like "1.1.0~" in his build deps, while we have just "1.1.0". I know the ~ means before, but what is it doing there, and how should I work around it?
[00:05] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or do I just clobber it?)
[00:05] <tsimonq2> Nah, clobber it
[00:05] <tsimonq2> Just unnecessary noise
[00:09] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master lxqt-notificationd_1.1.0-1_source.changes`
 "`$ dput ftp-master lxqt-archiver..." <- `lxqt-archiver_0.6.0-1_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental`
 "lxqt-config finished" <- Reviewing now
 "lxqt-config finished" <- Needs redoing. Andrew was there.
[00:12] <arraybolt3[m]> ...
[00:12] <tsimonq2> Feel free to force push over, I'm discarding my local copy
[00:12]  * tsimonq2 sends Andrew an email with the CodiMD link
[00:13] <tsimonq2> oh wait can't...
[00:13] <tsimonq2> hm
[00:13] <tsimonq2> well let's continue working around him
[00:13] <tsimonq2> and hope we get to everything first lol
[00:13] <tsimonq2> this is probably the only time we'll be doing this dancing
[00:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, hey, at least stuff is happening!
[00:14] <tsimonq2> I'm quick at banging these out and uploading them. :P
[00:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Probably quicker than me, but I'm helping some!
[00:19] <tsimonq2> `lxqt-notificationd_1.1.0-1_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental`
[00:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Building lximage-qt...
[00:22] <arraybolt3[m]> (Wow, you are fast! And I'm moving at near-breakneck speeds for me. Hopefully practice will equal speed.)
[00:22] <tsimonq2> Yes, yes it will :P
[00:22] <tsimonq2> I'm also blasting music and just cranking it out
[00:23] <arraybolt3[m]> That's what I do!
[00:23]  * arraybolt3[m] moves to desktop so I can do that
 let me take a closer look, i think i know what it does but i want to confirm. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> Rober: https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/commit/266e2478c60ac7c51e2a796218975b131be2d47a what do you think about this?)
[00:26] <tsimonq2> Thanks!
[00:27] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: lximage-qt :heavy_check_mark:
[00:27] <arraybolt3[m]> (Was waiting for Element to boot, so used IRC for a sec)
[00:29] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master lxqt-openssh-askpass_1.1.0-1_source.changes`
[00:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): OK, Andrew already has lxqt-about on 1.1.0-1. Do I add to the existing changelog entry, or start a brand-new one and bump the version number?
[00:33] <tsimonq2> Add to the existing entry
[00:33] <arraybolt3[m]> It's already accepted into Experimental.
[00:33] <tsimonq2> Only do new changelog entries if that one has actually been in the archive
[00:33] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't think I can actually do that.
[00:33] <tsimonq2> And e.g. lximage-qt I'm dropping that extra one
[00:33] <arraybolt3[m]> (Should've checked the tracker before asking.)
[00:33] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Oh yeah? Then bump the version and start a new one
[00:33] <arraybolt3[m]> -1.1 or -2?
[00:33] <tsimonq2> 1.1 is for stable releases
[00:34] <tsimonq2> -2 is cool
[00:34] <arraybolt3[m]> :+1
[00:34] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
[00:34] <tsimonq2> 😆
[00:36] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: `$ dput ftp-master lximage-qt_1.1.0-1_source.changes`
[00:38] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Andrew also did lxqt-policykit\
[00:38] <tsimonq2>  * arraybolt3: Andrew also did lxqt-policykit
[00:39] <arraybolt3[m]> So basically he decided to sprint and is a tad bit (ok, more than a tad bit) faster than I am.
[00:40] <tsimonq2> I mean, most really active Debian Developers are on the same time zone at DebConf right now
[00:40] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: You're a lot faster than when you first started, don't forget that.
[00:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Building lxqt-about...
 simon or aaron send me your sbuild calls you do for package builds i'm working on automating some shit and want to use examples that work fer ya
 also send me a repo we know works so i can test too xD
[00:45] <arraybolt3[m]> @teward001: I use "sbuild -d kinetic-amd64", or "sbuild --extra-repository <stuff> --extra-repository-key <stuff> -d jammy-amd64"
[00:45] <arraybolt3[m]> (WIth the extra-repository being the LXQt backports repo)
[00:46] <tsimonq2> yep about that, I also use shm schroots
[00:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): lxqt-about ready for review
[00:47] <tsimonq2> ack will look after I'm done with lxqt-session
 "arraybolt3: `$ dput ftp-master..." <- `lximage-qt_1.1.0-1_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental`
 "`$ dput ftp-master lxqt-openssh..." <- `lxqt-openssh-askpass_1.1.0-1_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental`
[00:59] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master lxqt-session_1.1.1-1_source.changes`
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): lxqt..." <- `$ dput ftp-master lxqt-about_1.1.0-2_source.changes`
[01:04] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, it is so cool watching the other person working in CodiMD.
[01:05] <tsimonq2> ikr :)
[01:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): lxqt-sudo ready for review
[01:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Andrew did NOT yet get to lxqt-sudo, fyi.
[01:08] <tsimonq2> I know, he did get to pcmanfm-qt though
[01:09] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt has been accepted into Ubuntu but not Debian. I'll let you do that
[01:09]  * tsimonq2 works on lxqt-sudo
[01:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Y'know, we don't have to wait for the dinstall if we have our local setup right (which I do).
[01:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Just have the local PPA setup, and make your GBP configuration in your home run an sbuild command that recognizes the local PPA.
[01:10] <arraybolt3[m]> That's the setup I have, works great so far.
[01:10] <arraybolt3[m]> I just load it with debs built from previous packaging sessions.
[01:10] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I thought we were waiting on dinstall but we're actually waiting on Debian's binary NEW queue
[01:10] <tsimonq2> Much more uncharted territory for me
[01:11] <tsimonq2> teward: We're hard-blocked on lxqt-globalkeys SONAME bump pkg rename in Debian ^^^^^^^
[01:11] <teward> hah
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess we do have to wait before uploading, but we can do the packaging.
[01:11] <teward> so you need to prod someone on the debian archive team then :P
[01:11] <teward> can't do anything about that
[01:11] <tsimonq2> teward: You said you know handwave people. I only know handwave people in Ubuntu :P
[01:11] <tsimonq2> also
[01:11] <tsimonq2> yes I already asked
[01:11] <tsimonq2> in #d-ftp
[01:12] <tsimonq2> but I'm lazy and impatient
 for sponsoring
[01:12] <tsimonq2> oh for SPONSORING
 not for binNEW acceptance
[01:12] <tsimonq2> damn.
 ye bage is a DD who can sponsor and such i know those people well, but not the debian archive admins
 though i can probably strongarm them if i have to i have better things to do
 like fixing my network xD
[01:12] <tsimonq2> pffft you don't need a network for anything duh
 *shoves simon into the abyss*
[01:13] <arraybolt3[m]> So... wait, why do we need help with the soname bump? I'm missing something, I thought Debian does whatever it does, we try to influence it, then make do with whatever they give us and fix stuff as best we can when it gets down to us.
[01:13]  * arraybolt3[m] tosses teward one of those rabid tasmanian devils
[01:15] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: lxqt-sudo> Be careful...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/226b73ed2c740f010a5e4470674c4fe756cdc12e)
[01:15] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, sadly, I have to go afk for a while (work to do in $PERSONAL_LIFE), so I've relinquished hold on qterminal. If it's still here when I get back, I'll do it.
[01:15] <tsimonq2> Go for it. I'll let you tackle that
[01:15] <arraybolt3[m]> ?! I spent so much time on the copyright files in Backports, I was certain they were good by default. Grr...
[01:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Fixed and pushed.
[01:16] <arraybolt3[m]> (The lxqt-sudo thing.)
[01:17] <arraybolt3[m]> And now I know to not ever be certain that anything is good by default.
[01:17] <tsimonq2> ty :)
[01:17] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master lxqt-sudo_1.1.0-1_source.changes`
[01:17]  * arraybolt3[m] goes afk, c ya soon
[01:17] <tsimonq2> cya
[01:17] <tsimonq2> okay before I go afk for the day, I'm getting some setting changes in backports
[01:17] <tsimonq2> if I can lol
[01:21] <teward> as foryou saying i don'tneed a network, i work remote for FT job now
[01:21] <teward> no internet, no work, no pay
[01:21] <teward> :P
[01:21] <teward> so *puts tsimonq2 into /dev/null*
[01:25] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ssh-ppa:lubuntu-dev/backports-staging lubuntu-default-settings_<IP_ADDRESS>.1_source.changes`
[01:25] <tsimonq2> teward :P
[01:26] <tsimonq2> `lxqt-about_1.1.0-2_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental`
[01:26] <tsimonq2> `lxqt-session_1.1.1-1_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental`
[01:40] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I've got yet more work before I can come back, sorry for the delay.
[01:40] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: All good, take your time
[01:40] <tsimonq2> You basically only have the hard stuff left
[01:41] <tsimonq2> Wellllll I guess I can knock out qterminal...
[01:41] <tsimonq2> dinstall will run soon
[01:42] <tsimonq2> guiverc, Leo K: ^^ on your Debian systems, watch for updates in Experimental and feel free to test as they come in. I'll put a formal call for testing on Discourse somewhere
[01:42] <tsimonq2> (Once it's all ready)
[01:48] <guiverc> ack; i watch (packages, upgrades etc) & use it myself normally at night  (different box in the kitchen; my other boxes are on stable so they won't see it); but post please in development please on discourse; debian feels offtopic in annoucements to me but development applies I feel
[01:52] <tsimonq2> `lxqt-sudo_1.1.0-1_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental`
[01:52] <tsimonq2> Will do guiverc
[02:04] <teward> *shivs tsimonq2 for obvious reasons*
[02:04] <teward> read your email and the reply to your request
[02:08] <guiverc> thanks tsimonq2
[02:28] <guiverc> thanks teward
 *burps* ye *goes to get sleep*
[02:35] <tsimonq2> Alright, I think I'm fried for now. See you all in a bit.
[03:26] <guiverc> oops, exploring fridge/planet issue & noticed Lubuntu still said Lubuntu uses LXDE there; sorry fix up finally.
[03:26] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: 👋
[03:30] <guiverc> (it's just one of many links that are very-outdated... we (lubuntu) weren't alone)
[16:40] <tsimonq2> Good morning
[16:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Good morning!
[16:43] <tsimonq2> Sup Aaron?
[16:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Nothing much, just starting my day so far. And you?
[16:44] <tsimonq2> Just about the same :)
[16:45] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: I updated Andrew with our progress last night and since he's at DebConf he'll be doing some NEW poking
[16:50] <tsimonq2> I'm still gonna be messing around here for a bit, if you need something reviewed please ping
[16:51] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. I'm gonna see about lxqt-config.
[16:57] <tsimonq2> On the bright side they should have my car today
[17:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Good news on lxqt-about, looks like we got there first and Andrew applied his changes over the top of ours, I checked the diff and everything's still just fine, so I'm just doing a quick build, if that works it's done.
[17:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): lxqt-config ready for review
[18:14] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-panel/issues/1792
[18:14] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: ack
[18:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Looking
[18:14]  * tsimonq2 reviews lxqt-config
[18:18] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: 👍 and left comment
[18:18] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: NACK on lxqt-config> Andrew got to it first, needs merging in
[18:19] <arraybolt3[m]> What does NACK mean?
[18:19] <tsimonq2> non-ack
[18:19] <tsimonq2> as in, -1
[18:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, I ensured all of Andrew's changes were merged in. I missed a changelog entry, didn't I?)
[18:20] <tsimonq2> Merge in the Git history too, not just the changes
[18:20] <tsimonq2> Otherwise I can't do a push without merging Salsa in
[18:20] <arraybolt3[m]> I deleted my repo, re-cloned from the main repo where Andrew had fiddled with it, and then checked to see what had happened. Looks like Andrew merged mine into his.
[18:21] <tsimonq2> And thus three-way merge mess :)
[18:21] <arraybolt3[m]> I also did "git merge debian/sid", it said "Already up to date".
[18:21] <arraybolt3[m]> So what step am I missing?
[18:21] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: https://tracker.debian.org/news/1345475/accepted-lxqt-config-110-1-source-into-experimental/
[18:22] <tsimonq2> So your new changes would need to be directly based on that
[18:22]  * tsimonq2 shrugs
[18:22] <arraybolt3[m]> OK that's weird. I literally deleted my Salsa fork and re-forked from the LXQt team one.
[18:22] <arraybolt3[m]> I didn't see any hint of what you just showed me.
[18:22]  * tsimonq2 has an RSS feed and several ways of monitoring such things :P
[18:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Weirder yet still, I can see Andrew's changes in Salsa, but for some reason my fork didn't show them at all.
[18:24] <arraybolt3[m]> 🤦♂OK, I can't read. I redid lxqt-about, not lxqt-config. -_-
[18:25] <arraybolt3[m]> That explains everything. OK, back to the drawing board...
[18:27] <tsimonq2> ah :)
[18:27] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Friendly reminder on more syncpackage lines.
[18:28] <tsimonq2> You may want to use the Kinetic column to track those
[18:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Will have in a bit
[18:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, nice!
[18:29]  * tsimonq2 was using Todoist for the longest time but switched back to TaskWarrior yesterday
[18:29] <tsimonq2> it's just... the bomb
[18:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): https://pastebin.com/sL9Xs16e syncpackage
[18:39] <tsimonq2> $ syncpackage -d experimental -f -s arraybolt3 lxqt-globalkeys
[18:39] <tsimonq2> The source package 'lxqt-globalkeys' status Superseded not in (Pending,Published) in experimental for pockets Release, Security, Updates, Proposed with status in Pending, Published
[18:39] <tsimonq2> Still in NEW
[18:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Thus the warning about that possibly being a problem. I figured something like that could happen.
[18:40] <tsimonq2> All other syncpackage requests sponsored.
[18:40] <tsimonq2> All good
[18:41] <tsimonq2> Taking further syncpackage requests as you have them
[18:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice, thank you!
[18:41] <tsimonq2> Of course :)
[18:41] <tsimonq2> Actually...
[18:41]  * tsimonq2 goes afk for a bit
[18:51] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Are you subscribed to l-devel?
[18:51] <tsimonq2> The mailing list
[18:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Yes.
[19:12] <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-devel/2022-July/001910.html
[19:13] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Did you get to qterminal yet?
[19:13] <arraybolt3[m]> sigh No, still fighting with a ton of other stuff...
[19:13] <tsimonq2> Got it, I'll take it
[19:13] <arraybolt3[m]> (Support session, plus libfm-qt and lxqt-config are all competing for attention.)
[19:14] <tsimonq2> heh
[19:27] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master .qterminal_1.1.0-1_source.changes`
[19:27] <tsimonq2> s/.//
[19:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Building lxqt-config...
[19:35] <arraybolt3[m]> (Wow, that package was a doozy. Glad it's almost done!)
[19:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): lxqt-config ready for review
[19:43] <arraybolt3[m]> (Hopefully got it actually done this time)


[00:14] <bryceh> infinity, lp #974750.  thanks again
[00:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 974750 in xdiagnose "Support gathering arbitrary display manager logs" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/974750
[02:03] <infinity> ScottK: I'm rejecting yofel's 4.8.2a uploads, since they are literally identical to their previous 4.8.2 counterparts.  If you'd like to sort that out and figure out WTF?
[02:03] <ScottK> Sigh.
[02:03] <ScottK> infinity: I think there's a reason for it.
[02:03] <infinity> (Like, no upstream changes, and the changelog were the 4.8.2 changelogs with s/2/2a/
[02:03] <infinity> )
[02:04] <infinity> I'd like to think that if the version bumped, the orig would at least be different?  I dunno.
[02:05] <infinity> Anyhow, one of those conflicted with an upload of yours that had an actual bugfix, so that sealed the deal for me. :P
[02:05] <ScottK> OK.
[02:05] <ScottK> I didn't check the queue, so I didn't see all of them.
[02:05] <ScottK> (after all, I was fixing, not releasing)
[02:06] <ScottK> The reason is that it was the a version in our PPA we use for pre-upload testing.
[02:06] <infinity> I'm unconvinced that s/4.8.2/4.8.2a/ debian/changelog && debuild -S qualifies as "releasing"...
[02:06] <ScottK> Right, I meant I wasn't doing Ubuntu Release stuff.
[02:06] <infinity> Yeah.
[02:06] <ScottK> Someone bumped the versions back down for the initial upload, but then that screwed up upgrades for PPA users.
[02:07] <ScottK> We get pre-final tarballs from upstream for packaging and if they have to respin them pre-release then we bump the version.
[02:07] <infinity> So this is artificial version bumps to smooth PPA issues? :/
[02:08] <ScottK> Yes, but it's for people who are our best testers.
[02:08] <infinity> No, not questioning the rationale, just how you got there.
[02:08] <ScottK> Since this is the final version for release anyone who installed the PPA packages will never see security updates, etc.
[02:08] <infinity> Surely, you could version the PPA stuff (in future) as 4.8.2~ ?
[02:08] <ScottK> Might be a good idea.
[02:08] <ScottK> For 4.8.2 we are where we are though.
[02:09] <infinity> Yeah, fair enough.
[02:09] <infinity> Please convey my apologies and have people reupload the no-change version bumps.
[02:09] <infinity> Now that I know what it's about.
[02:09] <ScottK> You can accept from rejected.
[02:09] <infinity> Is there a 4.8.3 on the horizon to paper over the oops? :P
[02:10] <infinity> I can for the one that didn't conflict with yours.
[02:10] <infinity> I guess you can reupload kde-workspace.
[02:10] <ScottK> I can redo mine.
[02:10] <ScottK> Yes, but it'll be a post-release micro-version update.
[02:11] <infinity> Anyhow, un-rejected kdepim-runtime, I leave -workspace to you.
[02:11] <ScottK> OK.
[02:14] <infinity> slangasek: Did you want to grab the pvr-omap4 debs and dpkg-deb -I/-c sanity check them/etc to make sure the output matches your source review?
[02:17] <infinity> jbicha: Your libcanberra changelog completely fails to mention one of the two added patches (the -lX11 one).
[02:17] <infinity> slangasek: Unless that's also your fault?  I notice his debdiff has one of your old changelog entries magically changing the timestamp by 6 minutes.  A case of bzr and archive being skewed?
[02:23] <jbicha> infinity: thanks, I'll reupload without that extra patch
[02:23] <infinity> jbicha: Are we sure it's not needed? :)
[02:25] <jbicha> ok, I could just add the patch to the changelog then
[02:26] <infinity> jbicha: Well, maybe it's not required.  I have no idea.  You tell me. :P
[02:26] <infinity> jbicha: If it's fixing a legit bug, please, add it to the changelog. ;)
[02:26] <infinity> I'll reject.
[02:30] <jdstrand> slangasek: thanks for the hamster-indicator deNEW
[02:30] <ScottK> infinity: It should be there now.
[02:31] <jbicha> infinity: hmm, here's an old libcanberra bug, wonder why it hasn't been fixed https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31454
[02:31] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 31454 in Unspecified "linking to libcanberra-gtkX fails because of missing -lX11" [Normal,New: ]
[02:32] <jbicha> I've been running my patch for 2 months and it's seemed ok, rodrigo's patch is a bit different though
[02:32] <ScottK> What was wrong with openchange?
[02:33] <infinity> ScottK: There were three of them. :P
[02:33] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.
[02:34] <ScottK> jelmer was over achieving.
[02:34] <infinity> jelmer might have been sliiiightly impatient.
[02:34] <ScottK> ;-)
[02:36] <infinity> jbicha: His is probably more correct, but yours does the same job.
[02:36] <infinity> jbicha: As for why the bug hasn't been addressed upstream, did you check the assignee? :P
[02:36] <infinity> *cough*
[02:37] <infinity> Was that my out loud voice?  Hrm.
[02:37] <jbicha> well it's his baby http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/libcanberra/
[02:38] <infinity> I'm going to avoid extending the metaphor to the ultimate "deadbeat dad" conclusion.
[02:38] <jbicha> lol
[02:45] <infinity> I wish we had the manpower to do forced queue reviews all cycle long.
[02:46] <infinity> I do wonder how much saner things would be if we could get away with it without slowing everything to a crawl.
[02:52] <Sarvatt> infinity: but then noone would accept gnome crack a month before release thats still in the middle of implementing new features and we'd be 6 months behind upstream
[02:52] <bryceh> haha, true!
[02:53] <bryceh> we'd have nothing to occupy our time after beta2 since we wouldn't have so many bugs from last minute packages
[02:54] <infinity> What a shame.  We could instead work on features for the next release.  That would be awful!
[02:54] <bryceh> terrible
[02:54] <Sarvatt> totally
[03:01] <Sarvatt> its totally ok to rewrite how suspend on lid close is handled in gnome to use xrandr that breaks proprietary drivers that fedora who does gnome doesn't care about a month before release after all, that wont cause any regressions
[03:01] <Sarvatt> whoops, some bitterness seeped through there, i'm sorry :)
[03:01] <infinity> I was going to say...
[03:02] <infinity> I believe ScottK has a shipment of tiny violins en route to me, I can share them with you.
[03:03] <bryceh> infinity, thanks, please send one each to every nvidia laptop owner
[03:04] <infinity> I'm an nvidia laptop owner.
[03:04] <infinity> But I never close my lid.
[03:04] <infinity> That way lies madness.
[03:07] <infinity> Why would people be implementing new features in randr anyway?  They'll just have to tear it out and rewrite it when wayland becomes the new hotness, like, next week.
[03:07] <bryceh> infinity, uh huh
[03:08] <infinity> Sorry, I've been hanging out with keithp all week, I'm infected.
[03:08] <infinity> It'll pass.
[03:11] <Sarvatt> infinity: they're making suspend on lid close require randr 1.3 features which proprietary drivers don't implement
[03:12] <Sarvatt> i think thats fixed in a distro patch now anyway though, was just violins :)
[03:12] <infinity> Sarvatt: Brilliant.
[03:13] <Sarvatt> its just fun coming across those things so close to release
[03:23] <ScottK> infinity: Yofel, not me.
[04:04] <slangasek> infinity: yes, I'm doing the binary new on pvr-omap4 as well
[04:08] <slangasek> infinity: libcanberra> I have no clue, honestly... how long ago was that?
[04:08] <slangasek> infinity: could be archive v. upload skew, certainly
[05:10] <skaet> jdstrand, Architectures are matching my understanding.
[05:11] <skaet> re: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Architectures
[05:46] <infinity> slangasek: I'm heading out, so don't have the time to look more closely, but at first glance, data/package_data_downloader.py looks like an exact copy of data/package-data-downloader?
[05:46] <infinity> (Maybe a symlink, I guess, debdiff doesn't deal well with those)
[05:47]  * infinity runs out for a zero-hour coffee with the locals.
[06:40] <fabrice_sp> Hi. To sponsor bug #949359, I used syncpackage, but nothing happened: is it still possible to sync package in universe?
[06:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 949359 in bluefish "new upstream bluefish version fixes major bugs: Freeze Exception" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/949359
[07:28] <tumbleweed> fabrice_sp: 09:05 -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bluefish  (precise-release/universe) [2.2.1-1ubuntu1 => 2.2.2-1] (no  packageset) (sync)
[07:28] <tumbleweed> fabrice_sp: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-April/035024.html
[07:40] <fabrice_sp> tumbleweed, I saw that email, but I thought that the deadline was final Freeze
[07:41] <fabrice_sp> and I found my sync request waiting in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1 (actually twice as I thought that it wasn't taken into account)
[07:42] <tumbleweed> fabrice_sp: we can't only freeze seeded parts of the archive. It's all or nothing
[07:42] <fabrice_sp> oh, ok
[07:47] <fabrice_sp> Shall I do something more for the sync or I just have to be patient and it will be processed when somebody will be available?
[08:31] <tumbleweed> fabrice_sp: just wait
[09:21] <Laney> impatience> confusion> (twice in the backscroll) You don't get mail for API syncs that land in unapproved, so it looks from your POV like nothing happened.
[09:21] <Laney> Irritating.
[09:22] <Laney> bug #830614
[09:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 830614 in launchpad "Email not immediately sent for copied packages which end up in NEW" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830614
[11:07] <jdstrand> skaet: thanks! you may want to double check that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Architectures is communicating what you want it to. I found it somewhat confusing and probably inaccurate for lpia
[11:55] <ev> does cdimage not live on antimony anymore (presumably nusakan now)?
[12:57] <mterry> Hello!  I have a couple changes to the Unity Greeter that John Lea requested that I was hoping to push in today.  Saw Kate's email and thought I'd run them by ya'll first.  Especially as they are visual changes (though small)
[12:57] <mterry> Let me dig up URLs
[12:58] <mterry> https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity-greeter/designfixups/+merge/100868 and https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/light-themes/greeter-white-border/+merge/100856
[12:59] <mterry> Basically, the changes slightly move the usernames down a bit.  Make the password entry box slightly bigger.  And make the focus color around buttons white instead of orange.
[13:02] <Laney> jbicha: ^^^
[13:29] <jbicha> mterry: ubuntu-docs doesn't document the greeter so minor tweaks are fine with me
[13:30] <mterry> jbicha, cool.  Is that enough to proceed on then?
[13:31] <jbicha> I guess so, the Release Team will give their +1/-1 by approving or rejecting the upload, right?
[13:32] <mterry> jbicha, fair enough  :)
[13:33] <Laney> I would say that you should document the uife in a bug
[13:34] <mterry> Laney, I didn't file a formal one, wasn't sure it needed it.  Do you mean I should file one or just document this IRC conversation?
[13:35] <Laney> both — the person who approves the upload might not necessarily read this conversation
[13:36] <mterry> Laney, right.  But you're saying I need a further +1 on a UIFe bug.  i.e. this conversation does not represent a UIFe?
[13:36] <ScottK> I didn't see any release team member approving the UIFe.
[13:36] <Laney> no, I'm saying it does, just that you should put it onto LP for auditing
[13:36]  * Laney will.
[13:36] <mterry> Laney, OK
[13:37]  * jbicha logs out for a few minutes
[13:37] <mterry> Laney, where's the line on what kind of UI changes need a UIFe?  Like, anything that would likely impact screenshots?
[13:38] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserInterfaceFreeze
[13:39] <mterry> Laney, right.  So I gather from your response that it's a hardline any-changes-at-all-no-matter-how-small
[13:41] <Laney> mterry: We/I usually don't know what the documentation contains, so defer to the people doing that work for their opinion, as happened here.
[13:41] <Laney> If it's in the default install then any change might impact their work, so it's a courtesy to check that.
[13:41] <mterry> Laney, k.  So always ask  :)
[13:46]  * ScottK pokes unseeded Universe stuff out of the queue.
[13:48] <astraljava> skaet: other: I apologise for realising this late the missing release mail from Xubuntu, you can find it here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001098.html
[13:51] <ScottK> OK.  Done.
[13:51] <ScottK> (but the queue is slow)
[14:08] <bjf> skaet: can i trouble an AA to pocket-copy linux-3.0.0-19.32, linux-backports-modules-3.0.0-3.0.0-19.12 and linux-meta-3.0.0-19.23 to -proposed please
[14:47] <skaet> astraljava,  thanks.
[14:48] <skaet> bjf, ack,   lets see if slangasek can help when he comes on line.  (if it hasn't been done by another AA already ;) )
[14:49] <bjf> skaet: thanks, -18 was pretty bad and the sooner the better :-)
[14:49] <skaet> gotcha.
[14:50] <ScottK> skaet: The pad needs clearing up for release, but I didn't mess with it since I didn't know what needed to be saved.
[14:51] <skaet> ScottK,   its got history enabled,  so feel free to clean up what you know is handled.
[14:51]  * skaet goes to get the link,  for that alternate view
[14:51] <ScottK> I didn't see what it started like for beta 2, so I'm not quite sure.
[14:52] <skaet> ScottK,   are we talking the freeze pad,  or ubuntu-release pad?
[14:52] <ScottK> The one that's in /topic.
[14:52] <ScottK> The release one.
[14:53] <ScottK> I guess the freeze one should be there too.
[14:53] <skaet> http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/ubuntu-release/latest - is history of the release images...
[14:53] <skaet> I'll clean it now,  since I'm in.
[14:54] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:54] <skaet> We'll start using it again,  when we turn off the cron job
[14:54] <ScottK> That would should probably have a pointer to the freeze one until then.
[14:54] <Laney> can we get -t in here?
[14:54] <skaet> I'll put the pad for the freeze archive up in the header later today.  agree makes sense to have it handy.
[15:03]  * skaet wondering if flooded the bot on #ubuntu-meeting...  anyone seeing what I put?
[15:03] <slangasek> infinity: yes, the .py was a symlink (so that it's importable for testing)
[15:06] <ScottK> skaet: FYI, I'll do Kubuntu since AFAIK Riddell is away.
[15:07] <skaet> thanks ScottK
[15:08] <slangasek> hey, who accepted flashplugin-nonfree?  It depends on the new version of update-manager still in the queue
[15:08] <slangasek> ScottK: ?
[15:09] <slangasek> sorry, it was sloppy of me to rely on the accept being delayed until the update-notifier had gone in
[15:09] <slangasek> (update-notifier, not update-manager)
[15:10] <ScottK> slangasek: That was me.  It was unseeded multiverse, so technically not frozen.
[15:10] <slangasek> yep - as I said, sloppy of me
[15:12] <slangasek> ScottK: any chance you can review u-n?  Otherwise I should do another flashplugin upload to revert
[15:12] <slangasek> (and sit on it until u-n is accepted)
[15:12] <ScottK> I'll take a look.
[15:13] <slangasek> thanks
[15:13] <slangasek> infinity made a start of it yesterday, but he's conferencing in California so I don't expect to see him for a while yet this morning :P
[15:17] <ScottK> slangasek: Did this get an ack from translations?
[15:17] <slangasek> bjf: looking at the kernel now
[15:17] <bjf> slangasek: cool
[15:18] <slangasek> ScottK: it did not; I reasoned that, since the only time anyone will see this message is in a case where the upgrade/install otherwise would have failed with an opaque error, untranslated is better than nothing.  But I can talk to them, in any case
[15:19] <ScottK> slangasek: They should be notified, but I agree it shouldn't block.
[15:19]  * ScottK wonders how long until this cron job generates an "Ubuntu phones home" scare.
[15:21] <slangasek> heh
[15:25] <ScottK> slangasek: There are several Makefile.in that vanish in your change.  That seems a bit surprising to me.  Is that expected?
[15:30] <slangasek> ScottK: hmm, it's not something I expected; let me have a closer look, it could be my screw-up or it could be a screw-up of the previous upload
[15:33] <ScottK> Thanks
[15:35] <slangasek> bjf: kernel copy done
[15:35] <slangasek> ScottK: btw, I think the new qt has regressed drag-and-drop in mumble; I need to muster my facts and file a bug on that
[15:36] <bjf> slangasek: thanks
[15:37] <ScottK> slangasek: OK.
[15:37] <ScottK> fabo: ^^^
[15:39] <fabo> slangasek: it seems to work for me
[15:40] <slangasek> fabo: are you using unity-2d?  it's specific to unity-2d
[15:40] <slangasek> unity-2d+mumble
[15:40] <slangasek> (I took a poll)
[15:40] <fabo> slangasek: ah true. I'm under KDE.
[15:41] <slangasek> please don't spend any time on it just yet, I'm going to narrow it down a little more (restart desktop; try to downgrade qt) before filing a bug
[15:41] <fabo> ok
[15:43] <slangasek> ScottK: beautiful; the u-n source package that was uploaded FTBFS due to missing files.  Please reject and I'll look at how that happened
[15:43] <ScottK> OK.
[15:43] <slangasek> sorry, I build-tested out of the branch, not off the .dsc
[15:44] <slangasek> ah of course, bzr-builddeb hook that calls autogen.sh, and ignores missing tools :P
[15:44] <slangasek> ScottK: thanks for the careful scrutiny
[15:44] <ScottK> slangasek: Done.  FWIW, from what I could tell from staring at the intended changes they seemed fine.
[15:45] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[15:45] <ScottK> slangasek: You'll be filing a bzr-builddeb bug, right?
[15:45] <slangasek> it's a bug in update-notifier's hook (specifically, its autogen.sh), not in bzr-builddeb itself
[15:45] <slangasek> so I have to file an mvo bug
[15:46] <ScottK> Oh.  OK.
[15:46] <ScottK> ;-)
[15:51] <jelmer> slangasek, infinity: sorry about the multiple sync requests earlier; I hadn't realized they were being manually approved now
[15:51] <slangasek> :)
[15:51] <jelmer> I guess the past few syncs during freeze I did were just acked very very quickly
[15:57] <slangasek> fyi, looks like there'll be another apt upload soon to make rosetta happy; we had stripped headers off the .pot files in the build tree to avoid build-time timestamp skew, and now rosetta doesn't like the headerless .pot files
[15:57] <skaet> ack
[15:58] <slangasek> (this is non-critical for release since the translations themselves haven't changed, so rosetta already has a perfectly good set of imported strings; but we should tidy up if possible)
[15:58]  * skaet nods
[16:02] <slangasek> ScottK: new u-n tarball uploaded, end-to-end build-tested this time
[16:03] <ScottK> OK.  I'll look in a few minutes.
[16:03] <slangasek> thanks
[16:03] <mdeslaur> could someone please take a look at virt-manager ^
[16:03] <mdeslaur> it's a simple regression fix for a recent patch
[16:06]  * slangasek takes virt-manager, to rebuild some of his karma
[16:06] <mdeslaur> hehe
[16:07] <skaet> :)
[16:11] <ScottK> waiting for it to get diffy.
[16:11] <skaet> slangasek,  in scanning the lang-packs in the queue,  they're pretty much looking like automatic updates.   Anything in particular I should be looking for other than anomolies?
[16:12]  * skaet would like to get them through before Tuesday,  when unity lands.
[16:15] <skaet> infinity,  could you take a look at the compiz ones in the queue (GLES2 related)?   your travel plans permitting.
[16:15] <slangasek> mdeslaur: accepting, though I would note that <IP_ADDRESS> is not the only possible loopback address that could be affected here
[16:16] <slangasek> mdeslaur: so perhaps a more robust fix is wanted long-term
[16:17] <slangasek> skaet: language packs are always automatic updates in at least some sense; the challenge is making sure we didn't wind up with mismatched pairs of packages uploaded, such that the packs for a language become uninstallable after accept
[16:17] <slangasek> and I don't know that we have any good tools for checking this
[16:18] <ScottK> slangasek: Accepted. Don't forget about notifying translators (if you haven't already).
[16:18] <mdeslaur> slangasek: yes, I agree. upstream's logic about what's local and what's not is pretty flawed.
[16:19] <slangasek> ScottK: thanks, drafting mail to ubuntu-translators now
[16:20] <ScottK> Great.
[16:22] <cjwatson> ev: it's been on nusakan for some months, yes
[16:23] <slangasek> cjwatson: bug #967348 came up in the lubuntu release report today; do you know what's going on there?
[16:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 967348 in lubuntu-meta "obconf is in the seed, but not in the ISO" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967348
[16:24] <cjwatson> I've got about one minute here, let me look quickly
[16:24]  * cjwatson takes bets on the germinate task being bogus
[16:26] <slangasek> :)
[16:27] <cjwatson> it's not a problem in current images AFAICS (from comparing livefs build logs), so don't worry about it for now.  I'll do some archaeology when I get a chance
[16:28] <cjwatson> it was probably something to do with lubuntu being schizophrenic about whether they want recommends or not
[16:28] <cjwatson> (they build with --no-install-recommends, but use () seed entries ...)
[16:28] <slangasek> cjwatson: ack, thanks for looking
[16:34] <skaet> slangasek, re: language packs,  ack.
[16:34]  * skaet --> traveling for a while now.   back on later.
[16:36] <slangasek> skaet: have set bug importances for a few on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects/opened, but the remaining 'undecided' ones for foundations are all duplicates of bugs that do have the importance set; I think this is a bug in the report.
[16:36] <slangasek> it even shows bugs as "new" when the master bug is "fix released"
[16:37] <slangasek> skaet: who maintains this report?  stgraber, or someone on QA?
[16:37] <skaet> slangasek,  jibel says he's just put in a fix about the duplicates.
[16:37] <slangasek> ok
[16:38] <skaet> lets see how it looks after that gets applied, and then if further clean up is necessary.
[16:38] <slangasek> so that list of open defects should get a lot smaller shortly
[16:38]  * skaet still thinks launchpad should shadow status of bugs from master to its duplicates... :P
[16:38] <skaet> thanks for looking at them slangasek.
[16:38] <slangasek> it does that for 'confirmed' status, and it's annoying as hell to get extra bug mail every time it does :-P
[16:39] <slangasek> no problem
[16:39] <slangasek> skaet: so as far as langpacks, given that the only affected images will be DVDs, I think it's best to just accept them all and look at uninstallability afterwards
[16:39] <slangasek> anything else will be a lot more effort right now for little gain
[16:40] <skaet> slangasek.  ok,  will do as soon as I get back on line.
[16:40] <slangasek> I can do it now if you like
[16:40] <skaet> slangasek,  while before daily build,   and I'd like to study them a bit.
[16:40] <slangasek> ok
[16:40] <skaet> thanks.
[17:11] <infinity> slangasek: s/conferencing/travelling and day-offing/
[17:21] <infinity> No one review/accept compiz-plugins until the above compiz is built and installed.
[17:21] <infinity> (Or just wait for my plane to land in 4 hours, and I'll do it)
[17:22] <infinity> Oh, nevermind, Oli actually gave it a properly-versioned build-dep.
[17:23] <ScottK> Who is doing the skype packages now?  I have an email I need to forward them.
[17:25] <micahg> ScottK: looks like mvo or slangasek from the last round of uploads
[17:25] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[17:27] <ScottK> It might be good if the maintainer field was updated in the skype packages to point at someone who still works at Canonical.
[17:29] <infinity> Probably. :P
[17:29] <infinity> skaet: You're not planning on accepting the langpacks by hand, are you?
[17:30] <infinity> skaet: I can just accept the mess in one go on ftpmaster.
[17:30] <skaet> infinity,   was planning on going through them as education for me mostly.
[17:30] <skaet> not a big overhead really.
[17:30] <infinity> That way lies madness.
[17:30] <skaet> lol
[17:31] <infinity> Manually auditing packages that are auto-generated (several hundred of them!) sounds like masoshism.
[17:31] <infinity> masochism, too.
[17:31] <infinity> Typing hard.
[17:32] <skaet> I was planning on looking at about 20-30 to get feel for pattern, then applying a bulk operation.
[17:32]  * skaet is not that much of a masochist
[17:32] <infinity> You can't do them in bulk by more than a few at t atime.
[17:32] <infinity> Web UI will timeout.
[17:32] <infinity> Which was why I was offering to just one-shot the mess with a wildcard. :P
[17:33] <skaet> infinity,  ok,  go ahead.
[17:33] <skaet> (and thank you)
[17:36] <slangasek> infinity: mmm, from the package relationships compiz really ought to have gone to -proposed
[17:36] <slangasek> fwiw
[17:37] <slangasek> ogra_: ^^ I guess that's your upload, so :)
[17:37] <ScottK> slangasek: You have mail.
[17:37] <slangasek> ScottK: reading, thanks
[17:37] <ScottK> Great.
[17:38] <slangasek> and yes, we should update the maintainer field; though I think I'll hold off on doing that until we have a permanent maintainer for it :P
[17:38] <ScottK> slangasek: How about making a role address that can be pointed to whomever when they show up.
[17:39] <slangasek> well, ideally the role address is "file a bug against the package in launchpad"
[17:39] <slangasek> since https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype will continue to work
[17:39] <ScottK> We still have maintainer address.
[17:40] <ScottK><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:41] <slangasek> there are many packages in partner which (now) each have different maintainers; creating a catch-all role address isn't going to make mailing the maintainer a more useful operation
[17:41] <slangasek> any more than mailing ubuntu-devel about a package in universe is
[17:43]  * skaet holding off on clicking accept on the langpacks she's looked at already to not much up infinity's bulk one.
[17:43] <infinity> skaet: Oh, they've all been accepted for a while.
[17:44] <infinity> skaet: The bot just suppresses them for sanity.
[17:44] <skaet> infinity,  weird,   still working on the upload queue web page.
[17:45]  * skaet goes and forces a refresh
[17:45] <skaet> yeah,  langpacks gone,  but the other bits are gone now too....
[17:46] <slangasek> which other bits?
[17:46] <slangasek> there are 12 packages in the queue
[17:46] <skaet> slangasek,   no packages in the unapproved queue now...
[17:46] <slangasek> there are
[17:47] <skaet> ok,  have I entered the twilight zone?
[17:47] <skaet> Show: uploads with names like:
[17:47] <skaet> The Unapproved queue is empty.
[17:47] <slangasek> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1
[17:47] <skaet> is what I'm seeing...
[17:47] <slangasek> shows 12 packages for me
[17:48] <skaet> yeah,  that was from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1
[17:48] <skaet> yes,  I have entered the twilight zone.
[17:48] <slangasek> cool
[17:48] <skaet> refreshed yet again and now 12 packages.
[17:48] <slangasek> bring us back some pig people
[17:48] <skaet> will do.
[18:06] <ScottK> Doing gnome-contacts
[18:06] <ScottK> Also evolution-mapi
[18:11] <skaet> Thanks ScottK.
[19:06] <cnd> skaet, I have a potential random corruption bug fix in bug 975356 for xorg-server
[19:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 975356 in xorg-server "Logging from signal context is unsafe" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/975356
[19:06] <cnd> we are building a test package in a ppa and will ask some people to test it out
[19:06] <cnd> but if all goes well I would like to get it in before final freeze
[19:07] <cnd> at this point, I'm just noting it for your reference
[19:08] <skaet> thanks cnd.    getting rid of random corruptions would be good.    want to avoid it landing with some things though.
[19:10] <skaet> so timing it in may be needed.
[19:10] <skaet> when fix is ready,  start the conversation off, and we'll figure out the best spot.
[19:28] <cnd> ok
[19:28] <superm1> skaet: when you get a chance, can you help review the myth* packages in unapproved, specifically the ones that should help bring our ISO size down (mythbuntu-live-autostart, mythbuntu-meta, mythbuntu-default-settings)?  was hoping to get at least those in for the next ISO spin to see if that's enough to get us back within limits.  the others are less critical to be reviewed before next ISO spin
[19:35] <skaet> superm1,  in a meeting, but will do it right after.
[19:36] <superm1> thanks!
[19:42]  * cjwatson turns bug 971735 into an FFe
[19:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 971735 in golang "[FFe] Update golang to Go 1 in Precise" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/971735
[20:00]  * doko supports the FFe
[20:01] <tumbleweed> it seems fairly no-brainer
[20:04] <cjwatson> (I'll have to wait a bit before I can actually use syncpackage on it - it's still in incoming)
[20:32]  * ScottK looks at python2.7.
[20:41] <ScottK> doko: I accepted python2.7. It'd be nice if the next time the documentation in debian/changelog on the differences from Debian could be at least slightly more verbose.
[20:43] <doko> ScottK, yeah, just forgot
[20:43] <ScottK> OK.
[20:44] <doko> there's still an opportunity to do this for the final release =)
[20:45] <slangasek> doko must like buying skaet beer
[20:46] <doko> I do. just approve the expenses ;-P
[20:47] <ScottK> slangasek: We've had three failed to upload due to alleged bzip2 integrity errors, all on armhf.  I have this sneaking suspicion it's not the packages that are broken.
[20:47] <ScottK> Maybe someone could have a look?
[20:48] <slangasek> ScottK: example?
[20:48] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/0.2.7-0ubuntu2/+build/3387899/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armhf.unity-greeter_0.2.7-0ubuntu2_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[20:48] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/0.2.7-0ubuntu2/+build/3387899
[20:48] <cjwatson> it's not the packages, and we've seen it before, but not debugged
[20:48] <ScottK> OK.  Just retry them then?
[20:48] <cjwatson> the solution is to get a webops to remove the chroot filecache and then retry
[20:48] <cjwatson> unfortunately I'm not sure there are any webops around over the Easter weekend ...
[20:49] <cjwatson> well
[20:49] <cjwatson> if you retry and manage to get a different builder, that would work too
[20:49] <cjwatson> are they all the same builder?  I could disable the busted one.
[20:50] <ScottK> They are all nasl
[20:50] <ScottK> If you could do that, it would help.
[20:51] <cjwatson> I've disabled it
[20:51] <cjwatson> I think
[20:51] <cjwatson> oh damnit
[20:51] <cjwatson> ok, actually disabled now
[20:52] <ScottK> OK.    I got the other two.
[20:53] <ScottK> Thanks cjwatson.
[20:55] <cjwatson> cool
[20:56]  * cjwatson checks for more in the API
[20:57] <cjwatson> I see 148 ...
[20:57] <ScottK> Ouch.
[20:58] <cjwatson> let me just sanity-check that
[20:58] <ScottK> I was using http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/ which lags, so I probably just saw the first few.
[20:58] <cjwatson> broken builders can fail lots of builds very quickly
[20:58] <cjwatson> I'd like to check that they're all nasl; the API doesn't tell me the builder so I'll have to quickly screen-scrape I think
[20:59] <ScottK> Probably many of those are from the rebuild.
[20:59] <cjwatson> I'm only checking in the rebuild
[20:59] <cjwatson> already checked the primary archive
[20:59] <ScottK> ok
[20:59] <cjwatson> >>> archive = lp.load('https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20120328')
[20:59] <cjwatson> >>> cpp = archive.getBuildRecords(build_state='Chroot problem')
[20:59]  * cjwatson breaks out BeautifulSoup
[21:03] <ScottK> cjwatson: The first retry succeeded, so definite progress.
[21:06]  * cjwatson waits for this to screen-scrape 148 LP pages ...
[21:08] <cjwatson> >>> [cp for cp in cpp if builder(cp) != 'nasl']
[21:08] <cjwatson> [<build at https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20120328/+build/3344376>, <build at https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20120328/+build/3339244>]
[21:09] <cjwatson> those two are different problems - hash sum mismatch on the archive, which is transient
[21:09] <cjwatson> so retrying the lot now
[21:10] <ScottK> I'm glad I noticed it before you vanished for the night.
[21:11] <cjwatson> should all be kicked now
[21:11]  * cjwatson <3 the API
[21:14] <cjwatson> avoiding that screen-scraping is probably a matter of http://paste.ubuntu.com/918003/ plus tests
[21:14] <cjwatson> which I'll sort out at some more convenient time
[21:15] <ScottK> Nice.
[21:15] <cjwatson> then it'd've been [cp for cp in cpp if cp.builder.name != 'nasl']
[21:22] <skaet> superm1,    have gone through the myth* ones,  looking reasonable to me.   approving now.
[21:22] <superm1> thanks skaet
[21:46] <slangasek> ^^ flashplugin-nonfree fixes a major regression in this morning's upload; evidently there was a latent bug in the update-alternatives handling that didn't show up on upgrades (bug #975426), so I'd appreciate having that reviewed asap
[21:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 975426 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-installer failed to install during system installation: no alternatives for mozilla-flashplugin." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/975426
[21:55] <slangasek> oh wait, technically that's not frozen anyway
[21:55] <phillw> slangasek: I've been following... <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1  /  <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3 the same release as I grabbed from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?no_redirect and installed via Alien?
[21:55]  * slangasek self-accepts :P
[21:56] <slangasek> phillw: I don't know
[21:56] <slangasek> it probably is, but why would you use alien for this when it's packaged in multiverse+partner :)
[21:57] <phillw> slangasek: because I did not know it was & used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[21:58] <phillw> so, some modifcations are required if you have moved things :)
[21:59] <slangasek> phillw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash "install Flash by going to the Ubuntu Software Center"?
[21:59] <phillw> slangasek: my very little tiny voice... but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats is the better apge?
[22:00] <phillw> s/apge/page
[22:00] <slangasek> phillw: the only mention I see of flash on there is a pointer to the subpage :)
[22:01] <phillw> slangasek: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#Easy_Install
[22:01] <phillw> one click links :)
[22:02] <infinity> I still see no mention there of alien...
[22:02] <phillw> infinity: there is none.
[22:02] <phillw> the links used to work
[22:03] <phillw> I'm told that flash has moved repos?
[22:05] <slangasek> no, it hasn't
[22:05] <infinity> phillw: flashplugin-nonfree has been in multiverse for most (if not all) of the history of Ubuntu.
[22:06] <hallyn> just popped in to make sure someone (daviey?) knows about bug 975240
[22:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 975240 in qemu-kvm "unaccelerated qemu is broken" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/975240
[22:07] <phillw> hmm, not really sure then. I'll reboot from a beta 2 system, but am sure flash is not available by default & needs an extra repo.
[22:08] <Daviey> hallyn: How about we fix bugs, rather than discover them :P.... Thanks for rasing, tracking.
[22:09] <Daviey> phillw: It used to be in partner aswell..
[22:09]  * Laney points Daviey at bug #970782 :P
[22:09] <cjwatson> At least as of Ubuntu 7.04, when we enabled multiverse by default, there's been some way to install Flash in packaged form by default.
[22:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 970782 in dovecot "[FFe] Please upgrade dovecot to version 2.0.19" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/970782
[22:10] <cjwatson> (And even before that I think there may have been some scheme to enable it when you asked for Flash.  I forget.)
[22:11] <phillw> cjwatson: infinity so, is there a way for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats to work in 12,04?
[22:12] <cjwatson> I don't really understand why they wouldn't already.
[22:13] <cjwatson> The link is to apt:ubuntu-restricted-extras; ubuntu-restricted-extras Depends: ubuntu-restricted-addons Recommends: adobe-flashplugin | flashplugin-installer
[22:13] <Daviey> Laney: jamespage has been working on a diff for that.. I'm not going to sponsor it, but have some follow up questions.. The earliest I expect to catch him is Monday, or Tuesday.  I'll disucss with him, before approving.
[22:13] <cjwatson> The repository containing adobe-flashplugin isn't enabled by default, but the repository containing flashplugin-installer (and everything else there) is.
[22:14] <cjwatson> Unless there's some multiarch problem on amd64, I suppose.
[22:14] <phillw> cjwatson: Okies, I'll boot up my 12.04 beta CD and double check, but it will be tomorrow.... bed time calls :)
[22:14] <Laney> Daviey: huh, OK, I thought it was ready since there's a branch.
[22:14] <Laney> and a build log
[22:14] <phillw> the chatter is that it does not work.
[22:15] <cjwatson> On amd64 I believe the dependency is just on flashplugin-installer.
[22:15] <cjwatson> The chatter needs to be accompanied by logs :-)
[22:15] <Daviey> Laney: Yeah, a branch without a MP doesn't show compelte intent IMO.  Thereofre, not happy to sponsor it in his absence.
[22:15] <phillw> cjwatson: that is what I am here for :)
[22:15] <Laney> as you wish
[22:15] <Laney> it keeps catching my eye
[22:16] <Daviey> Laney: it's on my radar now.. sorry for missing it.
[22:18] <slangasek> phillw: it is available, exactly as that page says, by installing the ubuntu-restricted-extras package; this requires only the multiverse repository and a network connection.
[22:19] <slangasek> in fact, people installing the ubuntu-restricted-extras package at install time and hitting a bug with the flash package is *why* I just mentioned it...
[22:19] <jbicha> phillw: this page works too https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-help/net-install-flash.html
[22:23] <phillw> slangasek: thanks, what needs adding to that page to get people to add multiverse?
[22:23] <Daviey> Laney: I'm actually happy with it, but i'd still like to check with james.. If you are keener, i wouldn't be upset if you sponsored :)
[22:24] <cjwatson> phillw: nothing, it's enabled by default
[22:24] <cjwatson> has been since 7.04
[22:24] <Laney> Daviey: I can't sponsor it, and I'm trying to shy away from thinking about the FFe (hence the ping :P)
[22:25] <cjwatson> furthermore, even if it weren't enabled by default, the form of that link is such that it ought to get enabled when the link is activated
[22:25] <cjwatson> (or enabled for that package only, whatever the exact semantics are, I forget - but in any case it's moot since multiverse is on by default)
[22:25] <phillw> cjwatson:  I'll go back to the chatter & try and formulate a bug as to why it is not working. As ever, thanks for the information.
[22:27] <cjwatson> sure - not trying to say there's no problem, just that, whatever it is, I think it's unlikely that the fix is to change the documentation
[22:28] <slangasek> well again, depending on when you were hearing this chatter, you may be talking about the bug that was just fixed
[22:29] <cjwatson> yep
[22:36] <cjwatson> urgh, autopkgtest + LP test suite == laptop running like molasses
[22:36] <Daviey> Let the cloud be with you.
[22:37] <cjwatson> 'cos what I want is more things to debug
[22:39] <Daviey> meanie.
[22:40] <cjwatson> also, #include <stdwetstringcomplaint.h>
[22:40] <cjwatson> roll on FTTC
[23:42] <cjwatson> MP submitted to add that builder property.


[00:04] <hallyn_> stgraber: have you considered rewriting lxc-ps in python?  (not asking you to, just wondering)
[02:12] <Fieldy> I installed xchat which pulled in a bunch of X11 libraries and so on which I no longer need since I uninstalled xchat... how do I get all those no longer needed depdnancies cleaned up and removed?
[02:12] <qman__> apt-get autoremove
[02:13] <Fieldy> qman__: i've done that and it lists a few things, but they are the same things as before I installed xchat and removed it, do I need to run something else to update that list?
[02:13] <qman__> no
[02:13] <Fieldy> hm
[02:13] <qman__> if it's not finding any more to auto remove
[02:13] <qman__> something is left that depends on them
[02:13] <qman__> did you manually mark any additional packages as installed?
[02:14] <qman__> as in, did you apt-get install anything else?
[02:14] <Fieldy> nah. i'll figure it out tomorrow, long work day, i could have very well made a mistake... one of many many systems :) thank you though I'll try with a clear mind later
[02:14] <Fieldy> thank you
[07:49] <oDiafanos> hello :) I have ubuntu-server 12.04.1 x86 with mysql problem(refuses to start) I found that it couldn't update mysql-server-5.5 so a moved /var/lib/mysql to a new location and I purged and reinstalled mysql-server.Installed and runing correctly. How can reinsert my sites dbs in the mysql again "the right way"??
[09:08] <ppisati> dude, is there an easy way to install a swift instance? e.g. juju/charm/etcetc
[10:10] <Enich> I am having a minor melt down here..   update-rc.d freeradius enable     seems not to be working,  my radius server needs to be manually started via sudo service freeradius start  after each reboot..   google and i have been all over it, but i cant seem to find the right solution.. anyone ?
[11:06] <Enich> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freeradius/+bug/1081509 <-- it seems there is more people with the problem..  anyone got a recommendation to how i can handle this issue.  it's starting to get to me
[11:09] <Enich> i saw that it expired, but the problem still exists.  i cant fiigure out what is going on
[11:09] <Enich> it verymuch seems like freeradius is starting before mysql  and therefor fails because it cannot connect and therefore shuts down or doenst finish the startuo
[11:10] <Enich> up
[11:22] <Braden`> Hello
[11:22] <Braden`> I have Ubuntu 12.10.x, and I am trying to upgrade to 13; however, when I do:  do-release-upgrade, it tells me that there are no new releases; however, I have it set correctly ("normal") in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades.  How do I fix this?
[11:41] <RoyK> Braden`: it really should work
[11:41] <RoyK> Braden`: try apt-get update first
[11:41] <RoyK> I've tried 12.10 -> 13.04 a few times without issues
[14:21] <roy2098> Hello! Can I ask opinion here of Ubuntu-Xen-ZFS all-in-one "mega-server" (12 drive bays for 6 zfs mirrors, two  internal bays for OS mirror)
[14:25] <RoyK> roy2098: zfsonlinux or zfs-fuse?
[14:27] <roy2098> RoyK: hmmm - let me check
[14:27] <irv> i have a hyperv VM with ubuntu server in it, i want to expand the VHD and then expand the partition mounted at /
[14:27] <irv> what's the correct way to do this? i know how to make the VHD larger
[14:27] <RoyK> roy2098: if you haven't installed zfsonlinux kernel, it's fuse
[14:28] <RoyK> roy2098: and I'd recommend not using that in production - write speeds are rather on the low side
[14:28] <roy2098> RoyK: Setting up Xen and XAPI (XenAPI) on Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS
[14:28] <RoyK> no idea
[14:29] <roy2098> RoyK: write speeds low compared to what? I have VMWare hypervisor with interconnect to NAS - THAT is slow
[14:29] <RoyK> irv: google parted - then use resize2fs (given you're on extN)
[14:29] <irv> yeah i believe it's ext4
[14:29] <irv> thx
[14:29] <RoyK> roy2098: write speeds with fuse are generally rather low compared to kernel-based drivers
[14:30] <RoyK> but then - zfs is cool :)
[14:30] <RoyK> only problem with zfs is that it doesn't re-balance the pool if you add more VDEVs
[14:30] <roy2098> RoyK: i think it is kernel-based - actually i know it is as i have installed on my current Ubuntu workstation and i need to pick xen kernel in order to use it
[14:31] <roy2098> RoyK: this all in one is only combination i know of (besides open indiana, illumos, smartos) that will enable zfs under everything
[14:32] <RoyK> then it's probably zfs-fuse
[14:32] <RoyK> freebsd has native zfs
[14:32] <RoyK> linux doesn't
[14:32] <RoyK> license issue
[14:33] <roy2098> RoyK: yes i know this but xen on fbsd not yet there
[14:33] <RoyK> ok
[14:33]  * RoyK uses KVM
[14:33] <roy2098> RoyK: kvm good stuff also i think
[14:33] <roy2098> RoyK all comes from same place
[14:33] <RoyK> I decided to run md over zfs on my home server because of MDs flexibility
[14:34] <roy2098> RoyK: not sure what md is... my whole thing is that zfs and large virtual machines are made for each other - ease of backup
[14:34] <RoyK> personally, I'd rather setup a dedicated storage box on native zfs and then use kvm/zen/vmware/something on another machine for virtualisation
[14:35] <roy2098> RoyK: well i have done just that elsewhere - nas4free as zfs storage
[14:35] <RoyK> and - don't enable dedup on zfs unless it's in a strict testing environment
[14:35] <roy2098> RoyK: dedup not enabled
[14:35] <RoyK> good
[14:36] <roy2098> RoyK: but performance of my setup not the same as if i had all vm machines on the hypervisor box itself
[14:36] <RoyK> roy2098: but really - better separate the functions - some omnios install for storage and linux for virtualization
[14:36] <RoyK> scales better
[14:36] <RoyK> multipath over separate 1Gbps links should scale well enough, we even use it for exchange
[14:36] <RoyK> over iscsi
[14:37] <bejer> Hi, anyone run into problems with apparmor, slapd and /etc/ssl/private ? - when I change the ownership of /etc/ssl/private to openldap it works correctly but when keeping it as root, slapd is not able to properly access the private key and will not start properly)
[14:37] <roy2098> RoyK: my nas4free mounts via nfs, it could also use iscsi - but consensus seems to be no perf diffs
[14:37] <RoyK> roy2098: shouldn't be much of a diff, although NFSv3 has more overhead - NFSv4 should be good
[14:38] <RoyK> local drives will always be faster, though, but the flexibility of using separate storage is the win
[14:38] <roy2098> RoyK: I just know from my initial testing that a vm right on vmware hypervisor data store very different than mounting storage
[14:38] <roy2098> RoyK: you are certainly correct
[14:38] <RoyK> roy2098: testing will probably show it's slower than local storage, but then, is it fast enough?
[14:38] <RoyK> it probably is
[14:39] <roy2098> RoyK: good enough for everyday database reads/writes, not great for large data loads though
[14:39] <RoyK> perhaps try with 10Gbps ethernet
[14:39] <roy2098> RoyK: 10G ether sure, when money's no object
[14:39] <RoyK> or aggregated 1Gbps links
[14:39] <roy2098> RoyK aggregated links may be better
[14:40] <roy2098> RoyK but here's the other thing - server will start out in basement of residence
[14:40] <roy2098> RoyK to move in 1 yr to datacenter
[14:40] <roy2098> RoyK "mega server" only 2U
[14:40] <RoyK> then the single 1Gbps link should suffice ;)
[14:40] <roy2098> RoyK = less cost in datacenter
[14:40] <Psi-Jack> How do you kill the status of an upstart job that claims to be in the state, start/killed, process 659?
[14:40] <RoyK> even if it's slightly slower than local drives for bulk transfers
[14:40] <Psi-Jack> I
[14:41] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to write an upstart job, so I'm in the process of mangling it to work as expected, but I can't proceed since I can't get it to clear that state,.
[14:47] <roy2098> RoyK: thanks for your help
[15:00] <RoyK> roy2098: just happy to help a roy - good luck :)
[16:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> question. I have ubuntu 12.04.2 server installed, but dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-headers shows linux-headers-generic-lts-quantal
[16:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> so whats the deal with that?
[16:52] <sarnold> ntzrmtthihu777: 12.04.2 was a hardware-enablement release that included the quantal kernel, xorg, and some other pieces, to provide better hardware support
[16:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> sarnold: ah, thankya. was not really concerned, but was curious about the reasoning.
[17:26] <GrueMaster> The real critical components to an LTS release are the gcc/glibc api and the kernel stability.  By switching up to the 3.5 kernel, but having it built on the 12.04 stack, you get more platform support without sacrificing overall stability (and I see it's benefit daily here at work).
[17:27] <GrueMaster> The rest of the package updates are mainly security updates and major bug fixes (rare, but happens).
[20:59] <jonconley> If I want to save a copy of pretty much every config file on all my linux servers along with all the changes, would that be looking into something like chef/puppet with a git repository for the config storage?
[21:01] <sarnold> jonconley: chef or puppet is if you want to -manage- all those files on all your systems. as I understand them, they wouldn't help much for the ones not managed within the system
[21:01] <sarnold> jonconley: look into etckeeper, see if that may be a better fit for what you want to do
[21:02] <mariop> Hi, i have to install ubuntu server 12.04.2 on an headless machine (no monitor, no keyboard). Lets say the machine is configured to boot anything (usb, cdrom, hd), how can i do this?
[21:03] <jonconley> sarnold: Thank you. That looks perfect. I was feeling chef/puppet might be overkill, at least for now. Is RANCID still the standard for networking device configs?
[21:04] <sarnold> jonconley: no idea on rancid, never heard of it :) but that probably says more about me than about rancid..
[21:04] <jonconley> sarnold: LOL. You are fine. It is old like me.
[21:04] <sarnold> haha
[21:05] <SpamapS> jonconley: you're kind of doing it backwards. Rather than duplicating all of the weirdness on one server onto another, what you want is to define what you want with something like puppet/chef/salt and then apply it to servers.
[21:09] <jonconley> SpamapS: They seem to have a rather steep learning curve. Which I am not opposed to, but I am taking on logstash+redis+git+elasticsearch for the current project and I am sick of trying to tweak a config here or there and later not being able to revert to what was working.


[12:35] <vasilis> hey,just one small question,how can i change the runlevel in upstart?
[12:52] <mbiebl> Keybuk: there are problems, compiling upstart on hppa
[12:52] <mbiebl> Seems, hppa does not support __thread
[12:53] <mbiebl> http://experimental.ftbfs.de/fetch.php?&pkg=upstart&ver=0.2.7-1&arch=hppa&stamp=1163110346&file=log&as=raw
[12:58] <mbiebl> Maybe we should abandon the usage of __thread in libnih
[01:07] <_ion> ...or use them if the compiler and system supports it?
[01:07] <_ion> +only
[01:11] <mbiebl> or so
[01:25] <Keybuk> mbiebl: hppa supports threads in feisty :p
[01:28] <mbiebl> Keybuk: Does it need gcc >= 4.2 on hppa?
[01:30] <Keybuk> not sure whether it's gcc or glibc
[01:34] <mbiebl> I'll ask the porters, how to deal with that appropriately. Probably it's just a simple #ifdef
[01:40] <Keybuk> probably
[01:41] <Keybuk> just define __thread to nothing
[01:42] <theCore> Keybuk, have you just presented upstart to Google folks?
[02:22] <Keybuk> theCore: no, why?
[02:23] <theCore> Keybuk, oh, ok. because I listened to Mark's talk and heard you talking about upstart
[02:23] <theCore> or maybe it wasn't you ...
[02:25] <Keybuk> it wasn't me
[02:25] <Keybuk> not during Mark's talk, anyway
[02:26] <theCore> it hard to tell who is speaking with VoIP :/
[02:26] <theCore> ok, thanks
[02:29] <Keybuk> I was talking in a little room just now
[02:31] <theCore> Upstart is really becoming one the big features of Ubuntu
[02:33] <thom> muh? it has the potential to do so; it doesn't actually do anything bar busting  cryptdisks yet ;-)
[02:38] <theCore> thom, :)
[02:38] <Keybuk> The Core was a cool movie
[02:39] <Keybuk> all the annoying characters die
[02:40] <mbiebl> One of the worst movies I've ever seen ;-)
[02:40] <Keybuk> oh, why?
[02:42] <mbiebl> Absurd story, bad effects, poor playing
[02:42] <Keybuk> but it's such fun
[02:43] <mbiebl> Well, if you see it from that angle, sure ;-)
[02:43] <Keybuk> how can you not love a film that actually called its magical element necessary for the plot "unobtanium" ?
[02:44] <Keybuk> heh @ imdb
[02:44] <Keybuk> # Incorrectly regarded as goofs: Since almost all of the "science" in the movie is entirely erroneous, we are prepared to accept that the movie's universe *must* have entirely different rules - it's the only possible explanation.  :P
[02:46] <Keybuk> theCore: no
[02:46] <Keybuk> I do actually like that movie
[02:46] <theCore> I do too
[02:48] <theCore> Keybuk, I just wondering, was it related to my nick at all?
[02:49] <Keybuk> well, theCore; The Core
[02:49] <theCore> oh
[02:50] <Keybuk> my brain is low on caffeine
[02:51] <theCore> once you choose a nickname, you're really stuck with it
[02:52] <theCore> I would had chosen something more sane, if I had expected that passion for free software
[02:53] <theCore> anyway...
[02:54] <theCore> (FYI, the Core is from the game Total Annihilation, which I used to love before coming to the world of Linux)
[02:55] <Keybuk> ahh
[02:56] <theCore> ever heard of that game?
[02:58] <theCore> you're making me remember a whole bunch of good souvenirs
[02:58] <thom> TA++
[02:59] <Keybuk> nope
[02:59] <Keybuk> my gaming knowledge probably slightly predates yours
[02:59] <Keybuk> (as my usual hostnames will attest)
[03:00] <theCore> I know there is an open source implementation out there
[03:00] <thom> total annihilation is probably entirely responsible for me failing my second year of uni
[03:01] <theCore> thom, lol
[03:01] <thom> many games went longer than 24 hours
[03:02] <theCore> thom, did you ever gotten into unit creation?
[03:02] <thom> nah
[03:03] <theCore> me neither
[03:03] <theCore> I remember that you had to script the units in COBOL
[03:04] <theCore> ugh!
[03:28] <theCore> thom, btw, did you ever heard about TA Spring (http://taspring.clan-sy.com)?
[05:37] !christel:*! This is your captain spealing, we hit a bit of turbulence there. We're now cruising at approximately 13,000 ft. Thank you for flying freenode air and have a good day ;)
[09:25] <AlexExtreme> hmm
[09:25] <AlexExtreme> how would i handle critical errors in upstart jobs? i.e, if udev fails, the boot process should be stopped
[09:25] <AlexExtreme> how would i do that?
[09:28] <phsdv> all jobs waiting for udev/started will never start, so booting stops automatically?
[09:28] <AlexExtreme> that's a point
[09:29] <phsdv> maybe you want to start sulogin?
[09:29] <AlexExtreme> that would be good
[09:30] <AlexExtreme> maybe i could raise a "boot-failed" event and have sulogin start on boot-failed ?
[09:32] <phsdv> yep, maybe that would help
[09:32] <AlexExtreme> k
[09:36] <phsdv> what about udev/failed event when a script exits with an error code. Does that exists already?
[09:36] <AlexExtreme> i don't know
[09:43] <AlexExtreme> Keybuk: when is the replacement-initscripts spec planned to be implemented? i mean, will it be done for feisty
[09:50] <AlexExtreme> Keybuk: the reason I ask is that I think it would be better to wait for ubuntu to switch to upstart jobs, then i have some idea of the best way to do stuff. i want to know how long i'd need to wait, if you see what i mean
[10:52] <mbiebl> Keybuk: hi
[11:04] <Keybuk> AlexExtreme: yes, feisty
[11:06] <mbiebl> Keybuk: what version of binutils do you ship in feisty?
[11:07] <mbiebl> The problem with TLS on hppa seems to be a binutils issue which is said to be fixed in 2.16.8
[11:07] <mbiebl> Argh, I mean 2.18
[11:08] <Keybuk> mbiebl: it was fixed within the week
[11:08] <mbiebl> You mean binutils?
[11:09] <Keybuk>  *** <IP_ADDRESS>.6-0ubuntu1 0
[11:09] <Keybuk>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[11:09] <Keybuk>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[11:10] <mbiebl> It's likely that TLS support will be a requirement for etch+1. As far as I could find out, hppa and m68k are currently not yet ready in Debian.
[11:11] <mbiebl> I was wondering, why __thread is needed at all, as upstart itself is not multithreaded.
[11:11] <Keybuk> mbiebl: libnih is used by more than upstart
[11:11] <mbiebl> Would you say it is safe to just remove it for upstart?
[11:11] <Keybuk> can you not just patch it out?
[11:12] <Keybuk> easy to make an autoconf macro for that
[11:12] <mbiebl> I'm not such an autoconf guru.
[11:13] <mbiebl> Would it be easy to write a test for it and check it during configure?
[11:13] <Keybuk> yes
[11:13] <mbiebl> Would I need a test compile for that?
[11:16] <Keybuk> yeah
[11:16] <Keybuk> look at AC_C_CONST for example
[11:16] <Keybuk> it #defines const to nothing if it does't exist
[11:19] <mbiebl> Were is that macro defined?
[11:19] <mbiebl> s/Were/Where/
[11:19] <theCore> Keybuk, does libnih is used elsewhere than in upstart?
[11:23] <mbiebl> http://www.nabble.com/libgomp-crash-fix-t2595290.html
[11:23] <mbiebl> Looks good, doesn't it?
[11:24] <mbiebl> Keybuk: could you include that check directly upstream?
[11:24] <Keybuk> mbiebl: yeah
[11:52] <mbiebl> Keybuk: I'll prepare patches against upstart and libnih. Shall I open a LP bug report or send it to you privately?
[12:05] <Keybuk> LP is fine
[12:05] <Keybuk> link it to the debian one