[00:00] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  have you tried to run pppconfig?
[00:00] <Zappza> I want to run Ubuntu from my USB stick, however it isn't big enough for it to install. Therefore I thought about xubuntu, The only question I have, is wether the Update Manager is the same in xubuntu as in Ubuntu?
[00:00] <Zappza> And what are really the differences between the two versions?
[00:00] <Zappza> I really miss a comparison table to be hones
[00:00] <Zappza> honest*
[00:01] <belgarath_> Zappza Yep, they work the same!
[00:01] <belgarath_> Zappza:  Xubuntu rules... :)
[00:02] <Zappza> So the only difference is that xubuntu uses xfce instead of gnome? All the features are the same?
[00:02] <xxubuxx> yes, but everything looks normal, except maybe the string in answer to "connect" in the advanced options, which is \d\c, but the lines of explanations say it should normally be void
[00:03] <belgarath_> Zappza   Yes!
[00:04] <Zappza> Awesome :)
[00:05] <Zappza> One more question; I have already configured several boot-cds for the ISOlinux bootloader, is it a problem to just use the same options in kernel and append in the GRUB bootloader which ubuntu uses?
[00:05] <Zappza> I am planning to install xubuntu on the usb stick, and have options for booting some other live CD's in the same bootloader.
[00:06] <Zappza> Sorry if some answers are a bit stupid, this is one of my first experiences with Linux :P
[00:07] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  Some modems need special AT-commands to work properly.... for example US Robotics (my own experience) !?!
[00:08] <xxubuxx> i used a Trust modem, i don't know about the AT init string. but that wouldn't explain the first connection being LONG and then the next just hanging?
[00:13] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  Have you tried to decrease your cennection speed?  if a lower connection speed works maybe you should try to find AT for your modem? Just a thought.
[00:14] <xxubuxx> i just lowered the speed to 57600, i'll tell you in a few minutes :) also, i replaced the \d\c with nothing
[00:14] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  good luck!
[00:17] <xxubuxx> thanks :)
[00:18] <xxubuxx> :(
[00:18] <xxubuxx> no luck
[00:19] <xxubuxx> what did you say about lock-files?
[00:19] <xxubuxx> belgarath_: ^^
[00:21] <belgarath_> xxubuxx   I not 100% sure about Xubuntu but when I used ppp the ppp-connection always created a lock-file in /tmp and sometimes I had to remove these files by hand to get the ppp to work again
[00:22] <xxubuxx> i'll check, thanks :)
[00:23] <belgarath_> xxubuxx One curious  question !?!   Why are you still using modem?
[00:24] <xxubuxx> it's a eee pc i'm using because my main machine died and i'm waiting for parts to arrive
[00:25] <xxubuxx> err... where is /temp? :)
[00:26] <zoredache_>  /temp???? or /tmp
[00:26] <xxubuxx> oops, /tmp, yes, sorry
[00:26] <belgarath_> xxubuxx   ok!  :)
[00:27] <xxubuxx> i'm a windows user, so i'm having  trouble finding stuff in the hard drive with xubuntu
[00:27] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  dont forget to show hidden files as well!  (Ctrl+h)
[00:27] <xxubuxx> i have, but i still see no /tmp
[00:28] <xxubuxx> ah, found it
[00:28] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  ok
[00:28] <xxubuxx> belgarath_: what should i look for?
[00:30] <belgarath_> xxubuxx i am not sure. but hey I can try it out on my eeepc  wait a moment!!!
[00:30] <xxubuxx> there is a "ior" file in "lock" in gconfd-my_user_name
[00:31] <xxubuxx> thanks for being so helpful :)
[00:34] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  dont say hey to early, we have not solved anything yet! :)
[00:34] <xxubuxx> yes, but still ;-)
[00:35] <belgarath_> xxubuxx :)
[00:37] <xxubuxx> is there a way to show the date of files in long format instead of just "today"?
[00:41] <belgarath_> xxubuxx in thunar Ctrl+2
[00:41] <belgarath_> xxubuxx   = detail view in explorer
[00:42] <xxubuxx> hmmm
[00:43] <xxubuxx> well, i can't get the date in 2008-10-10, but i can live with that i guess
[00:44] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  i dont think you have problem with the lock file because you get online, right !?!
[00:45] <xxubuxx> i do... for 5 or 6 minutes, even though i'm doing NOTHING
[00:46] <belgarath_> xxubuxx ok then I am 100% sure you dont have a problem with a lock-file
[00:46] <xxubuxx> maybe i could paste my pppd config file somewhere so that it can be screened by experts? if only i knew how to find it
[00:46] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  yeah.. good idea...
[00:47]  * xxubuxx needs guidance to do that :(
[00:48] <belgarath_> xxubuxx ok. wait I have to find it first! :)
[00:48] <xxubuxx> hihihihi
[00:49] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  I believe it should be in /etc/ppp
[00:49]  * xxubuxx looks
[00:54] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  I dont think I can help you more....  try to find a AT INIT command for your modem and if you send files to gurus dont send pap-secrets without edit because it stores your user/pass in cleartext. Good luck!
[00:56] <xxubuxx> thanks for everything, belgarath_ :)
[00:56] <belgarath_> xxubuxx   nice chatting with you... bye!
[00:58] <xxubuxx> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/548632 this is my ppp config file
[00:59] <xxubuxx> if anyone feels like taking a look
[04:02] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know if a Fujitsu B6110D will work with Ubuntu?
[05:58] <threa1> hi all, I
[05:59] <threa1> m surre this is an often asked question, but internet searching hasn
[05:59] <threa1> t helped me out.
[05:59] <threa1> (blated apostrophee/enter)
[05:59] <threa1> i can adjust the acceleration behaviour of the mouse in 'mouse settings'
[05:59] <threa1> however, is there any way to adjust the linear sensitivity of the mouse?
[06:08] <homebrewcider> can anyone help please, have a friends computer fired up with a xubuntu live cd so we can get into his HDD, bloody windows and virus, need to access the data on there from my computer
[06:10] <threa1> whree have ou got stuck?
[06:10] <homebrewcider> that's all I've done
[06:10] <homebrewcider> need to know how to access it, to copy data across
[06:11] <homebrewcider> it's connected to the home network
[06:11] <homebrewcider> as am I
[06:14] <threa1> can you access your other computers (full) shared folder?
[06:14] <threa1> if your liv disc can see your networked computer, you;re home
[06:14] <threa1> just mount the hard drive you need to get stuff from and copy
[06:23] <homebrewcider> can't seem to access other computer, on the other computer I mounted the HDD okay, but can't seem to access it from this one
[06:27] <threa1> to be honest, Im pretty new to XFCE
[06:27] <threa1> more experienced with rescuing iwth kde
[06:28] <threa1> and new to *buntu too
[06:28] <threa1> so Im not sure exactly how to get samba(if that's what you
[06:28] <threa1> re using)
[06:28] <threa1> just right
[06:28] <threa1> the other way to do it
[06:28] <threa1> is copy to a USB stick or HDD using your live cd
[06:28] <homebrewcider> yeah, that's a last resort
[06:29] <homebrewcider> trying to do it right for starters
[06:29] <threa1> hehe
[06:29] <threa1> is your other computer linux or windows
[06:29] <threa1> the working one?
[06:30] <threa1> either way, if sharing is a problem between the two
[06:30] <threa1> you can start an SSH server on the live CD compy
[06:30] <threa1> then ssh in from your working one
[06:30] <threa1> and ccopy files through that
[06:30] <threa1> if you
[06:30] <threa1> you're un windows, winscp is pretty easy
[06:31] <threa1> filemanager and ssh client in one
[06:31] <threa1> (sorry about the typos, am new to this eee keyboard)
[06:32] <homebrewcider> my comp-good one linux, other-trashed windows running live cd
[06:37] <threa1> ok
[06:37] <threa1> also to be honest, i only have one linux box
[06:37] <threa1> so i
[06:37] <threa1> ve never had to share linux to linux so far
[06:37] <threa1> (but will change now :D)
[06:37] <threa1> but what do you think of the ssh option?
[06:40] <knome> ssh is overkill in LAN shares
[06:40] <knome> you'll almost never need secure transfers
[06:41] <knome> and ecnrypting takes bandwidth = slower speeds
[06:41] <homebrewcider> so any advice knome?
[06:41] <threa1> knome: correct
[06:41] <threa1> I
[06:41] <threa1> m just more familiar with ssh :$
[06:42] <threa1> in any case
[06:42] <threa1> new kernel time
[06:42] <threa1> see you gyus round
[06:45] <homebrewcider> any ideas?
[06:46] <knome> homebrewcider, hmm.
[06:47] <knome> can you wait a sec
[06:47] <homebrewcider> ok
[06:51] <knome> !samba
[06:51] <knome> you have read that?
[06:52] <knome> homebrewcider,
[06:53] <homebrewcider> checking
[06:54] <homebrewcider> other computer is a windows computer but runninga linux live cd atm
[06:54] <homebrewcider> that is the dilemna
[06:55] <knome> so do you need temporary or permanent solution?
[06:55] <knome> yes, samba is windows file sharing on a linux computer
[06:55] <homebrewcider> temp
[06:56] <knome> well i'd suggest a usb stick then, if you have one
[06:56] <homebrewcider> just to get the files off to copy and burn, then nuke the other computer
[06:56] <homebrewcider> gonna take ages via usb
[06:56] <knome> how much?
[06:56] <homebrewcider> would prefer to access via network and drag over
[06:56] <knome> how much data do you have?
[06:57] <homebrewcider> 30gig +
[06:57] <knome> k...
[06:57] <homebrewcider> photos, docs etc
[07:00] <knome> and what is actually the problem, can't you get samba installed or...?
[07:03] <homebrewcider> how do I install it on the live cd computer?
[07:06] <knome> normally?
[07:07] <homebrewcider> sudo apt-get?
[07:08] <knome> for example
[07:09] <homebrewcider> says already newest version
[07:09] <knome> then you have it
[07:10] <homebrewcider> but running command samba does nothing
[07:10] <knome> try applications -> system -> shared folders
[07:12] <homebrewcider> ok, folder is "shared" now
[07:15] <homebrewcider> can I mount it now
[07:22] <yinoneh> hi, just installed xubuntu-desktop, but it stuck on log-in. any ideas how to debug it ? thanks !
[07:23] <Travelerxxx> Hallelujja testverek
[10:57] <jean-louis> each time I boot on xubuntu I have to write compiz & to have windows borders
[10:58] <jean-louis> how to solve this problem ?
[10:58] <TheSheep> !compiz
[11:15] <jean-louis_> i can't synchronise the time, I choose a server but it doesn't work
[11:20] <jean-louis_> i can't synchronise the time, I choose a server but it doesn't work
[12:13] <yinoneh> hi, just installed xubuntu-desktop, but it stuck on log-in. any ideas how to debug/solve it ? thanks !
[12:41] <cody-somerville> yinoneh, how exactly is it stuck?
[12:49] <yinoneh> cody-somerville: upon hitting the 'Enter' on login, I see an empty screen
[12:50] <cody-somerville> yinoneh, At the login screen, click "sessions"
[12:50] <cody-somerville> and then select xfce4
[12:50] <cody-somerville> and then click oaky
[12:50] <cody-somerville> then login (make sure to click make xfce4 the default)
[12:50] <cody-somerville> and it should work
[12:50] <yinoneh> let me test (will logout gnome). Thanks
[14:06] <homebrewcider> anybody used lanshark?
[14:06] <TeXnicer> hm, the developer?
[14:06] <homebrewcider> file sharing program
[14:06] <TheSheep> !anyone
[14:08] <homebrewcider> anyone have any idea on how to use it, I can browse the folder I want to download from on the other computer, but when I click "download to" and click on a location, it says, "download complete" but it ain't where I wanted it
[15:25] <sunsetloungejc> who can help me with a broken system?
[15:26] <sunsetloungejc> simple question...if I reinstall from the "Recover" function on the CD, will I lose my data files?
[15:34] <sunsetloungejc> anybody home?
[15:36] <coldhak> if you're removing the partition or some such, yes
[15:36] <coldhak> should be able to reinstall just fine as long as you don't mess with your data partition. best back it up to be safe though
[15:38] <coldhak> if your data files are on the same partition as everything else, then yes, you'll lose it when you reinstall
[15:40] <sunsetloungejc> ok, quick ?....i've been tols that if I "sudo rm /home/username/.session" and rebbot, that gthis will fix the problem....correct?
[16:17] <sunsetloungejc> anybody here?
[16:18] <vinnl> !ask
[16:18] <vinnl> Yep :)
[16:18] <sunsetloungejc> .i removed /.xsession*, but that did not fix the problem.  I still get same message:  /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... Setting IM through im-switch for locale=en_US.  Start IM through /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/all_ALL linked to /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/default.  mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission Denied.
[16:19] <vinnl> When do you get that?
[16:19] <sunsetloungejc> on boot-up, after splash screen
[16:20] <TheSheep> let me guess, you removed writing rights to the /tmp directory?
[16:20] <sunsetloungejc> well, not sure.  "trying" to get Apache/mysql/Joomla installed...so probably
[16:21] <TheSheep> sunsetloungejc: what does 'ls -ald /tmp' say?
[16:21] <sunsetloungejc> 1 sec
[16:23] <sunsetloungejc> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2008-10-7
[16:24] <jean-louis> hi
[16:26] <Ahtenus> How can I see shared  folders in a windows network?
[16:29] <sunsetloungejc> Sheep, any hope for me?
[16:30] <favro> sunsetloungejc: I get - drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 4096 2008-10-08 01:26 /tmp - so you need to add rights back for group and others
[16:30] <TheSheep> sunsetloungejc: sudo chmod +t /tmp
[16:30] <TheSheep> sunsetloungejc: should help
[16:30] <sunsetloungejc> u RAWK!!!
[16:30] <TheSheep> and maybe sudo chmod a+rwx /tmp
[16:30] <TheSheep> but that +t is important
[16:31] <sunsetloungejc> 'k
[16:31] <sunsetloungejc> now reboot?
[16:32] <favro> a login should work
[16:32] <sunsetloungejc> :-X
[16:34] <sunsetloungejc> Whew!  I can live another day! (saved our daughter's pix)
[16:34] <sunsetloungejc> THANX!! THANX!! THANX!! THANX!! THANX!!
[16:35] <jean-louis> it there an easy way to add an application which is in a sub-menu on the desk bar ?
[16:35] <jean-louis> it's doesn't look possible to just drag and drop the icon of an application
[16:36] <sunsetloungejc> one more thing....(should be even simpler....
[16:36] <sunsetloungejc> I mistakenly unzipped some files to the /home/user folder.  and I can't remove them
[16:39] <TheSheep> sunsetloungejc: run thunar with 'gksu thunar'
[16:40] <sunsetloungejc> ok
[16:40] <sunsetloungejc> so i can now remove them?
[16:43] <sunsetloungejc> u ARE the Xubuntu Guru! :-D  forgive my newbie-ness
[16:45] <TheSheep> sunsetloungejc: careful with that axe, Eugene
[16:45] <Wrinkliez> is there any application that will uninstall any files or packages that came with a file?  it seems that whenever i do basic removal in add/remove, it doesn't clear all the files it installed
[16:47] <sunsetloungejc> Sheep...yes, sir. Absoultely, sir. No excuses, sir.
[16:49] <sbarg> Wrinkliez: if you're OK with the command line, try "apt-get autoremove".  From the apt-get man page...  "autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed.
[16:52] <favro> I've found sudo apt-get --purge package works the best
[17:02] <Wrinkliez> o okay
[17:02] <Wrinkliez> thanks sbarg
[17:02] <Wrinkliez> and favro :)
[18:17] <jean-louis> it worked perfect, thanks a lot
[19:35] <Ahtenus> So i want to connect my laptop with ati card to my tv via S-video how do i do that?
[19:44] <Ahtenus> Too bad no one here :(
[19:44] <bytor4232> Ahtenus: first you need the right cable.
[19:44] <bytor4232> Ahtenus: Then you can use xrandr to span your desktop onto the tv card.
[19:44] <bytor4232> Ahtenus: Or you can cold-boot your laptop with the cable plugged in and it should show up on your TV.
[19:44] <bytor4232> Ahtenus: At least thats how it works for me.
[19:45] <Ahtenus> ok I'll try rebooting..
[19:46] <bytor4232> Darnit
[19:46] <bytor4232> I said cold boot.  A warm reboot won't cut it in most cases.
[19:46] <bytor4232> Power off then back on.
[20:21] <cruzer> everytime i put in a cd (xubuntu/ubuntu/arch) it will go into the setup but it will either say that there is an error with the disk,"nobody cares", or just freeze
[20:22] <cruzer> ah
[20:22] <cruzer> anyone ever had a problem like this
[20:25] <belgarath_> cruzer: Are you trying to boot xubuntu from a cd?
[20:25] <cruzer> im trying to use the alternative install
[20:25] <cruzer> xubuntu says error cd
[20:26] <cruzer> i burned it a few times
[20:26] <cruzer> slow
[20:26] <cruzer> on different cd's
[20:26] <knome> does other cds work well?
[20:26] <knome> (with the same drive)
[20:26] <belgarath_> ok.. and you are sure that you have a working cd/dvd-player !?
[20:27] <cruzer> well
[20:27] <cruzer> i was able to use the windows xp installer
[20:27] <cruzer> and install xp on it
[20:27] <cruzer> with a cd
[20:28] <belgarath_> ok... sounds weird.  and your cdrom is a normal ide-drive ?
[20:29] <cruzer> well, its a laptop
[20:29] <cruzer> so i dont quite no
[20:29] <cruzer> *know
[20:33] <belgarath_> hm... this is a tricky one....  maybe try to disable/enable dma in bios.     can you boot on usb?  maybe you should try to put xubuntu on a usb-stick and install from that.
[20:33] <cruzer> yeah i was thinking about that
[20:33] <cruzer> would www.pendrivelinux.com be a good place to start?
[20:37] <bytor4232> I still think its a little non-intuitive to add a blank launcher, and have to fill it in manually or with appfinder.
[20:37] <bytor4232> er
[20:37] <bytor4232> sorry
[20:37] <bytor4232> wrong channel.
[20:49] <thinkmassive_> cruzer, did you check the md5sum of the iso?
[20:50] <thinkmassive_> maybe the download just got corrupted
[20:51] <cruzer> 4 in a row?
[20:54] <cruzer> oh wait
[20:54] <cruzer> how awesome is that
[20:55] <cruzer> xubuntu has wubi
[20:55] <cruzer> ill installfrom windows
[21:06] <nnull> im trying to use vino, do i need to run a command after i use vino-preferences to start the server or?
[21:20] <centaur5> It appears that Xubuntu ins't much lighter than Ubuntu. Is there something else that can be done or would I need a different distro for 450 mhz and 128 ram?
[21:25] <Genelyk> ram very slow
[21:25] <Genelyk> test  fluxbuntu :)
[21:25] <Odd-rationale> centaur5: or try puppylinux...
[21:26] <centaur5> Thanks, I have a bunch of old machines to fix up and donate and Xubuntu still doesn't run so well.
[21:28] <centaur5> Just out of curiosity. I thought Xubuntu was the answer to 98 being discontinued. Since it still requires basically as much RAM as Ubuntu what do you gain with Xubuntu?
[21:29] <TheSheep> it runs faster with that ram
[21:29] <TheSheep> plus it uses xfce, which is preferred by many people
[21:29] <TheSheep> just because it's xfce
[21:30] <Genelyk> xubuntu  is fasted with 256 ram
[21:30] <zoredache> I don't know, it seemes faster with 4GB :p
[21:30] <centaur5> Okay, I guess I'll continue looking into Fluxbuntu then cause it still takes so long to even browse the web.
[21:30] <Genelyk> for 128 ram  is fluxbox :) ,
[21:32] <centaur5> Do you think I can still network install Fluxbuntu and does it still use Ubuntu mirrors?
[21:33] <Genelyk> mmm
[21:35] <Genelyk> or test  antixmepis 7,5,  is based in debian and  attach synaptic
[21:37] <centaur5> Hmm...I don't think people would understand how fluxbox works looking at screenshots.
[21:37] <zoredache> you might get better answers about fluxbuntu on #fluxbuntu
[21:38] <centaur5> Thanks for your help.
[21:38] <zoredache> you could also look at jwm, or fvwm
[21:58] <floating> my full screen on youtube and others is not really a full screen
[21:58] <floating> the actual window with picture is almost smaller than default youtube pic, and the sides are just filled with white color


[00:43] <Ecchymosis> Adding the HMO
[00:43] <Ecchymosis> Sorry
[00:44] <Ecchymosis> Added the gnome3 team without a hitch
[22:33] <swiss> does anyone else have crashes left and right when trying to use Evolution in Gnome3?
[22:34] <swiss> i've just switched over to thunderbird for now, but i recall Evolution had nicer integration with everything
[22:54] <roasted> swiss: evolution does have nicer integration, but it's reliability to work worth a damn is very poor.
[22:55] <roasted> swiss: evolution took 12 hours to download a few hundred emails from my work's exchange server. Thunderbird, a few minutes.
[22:58] <swiss> my issue is that it crashes when i browse my emails too quickly


[02:06] <faekjarz> I'm upgrading my server from 16.04 LTS to 17.10, and i'm used to bring network interfaces up and down via ifup / ifdown. Now netplan seems to be the way to go - How do i bring IFs up and down with netplan?
[02:15] <sarnold> faekjarz: this kind of looks like you're supposed to use ip link set IFNAME up  style commands https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_configuration
[02:19] <faekjarz> sarnold: oh, i see, thank you
[02:20] <sarnold> faekjarz: heh, thanks for asking the question, I'd never found out how systemd-networkd is supposed to work before this :)
[03:25] <CryptoManiac> I have openvpn server running on Ubuntu 14. The server has its main IP address on eth0 and an additional IP from the host provider which I have assigned as an alias to eth 0:0. I've tried a lot of things so far to get my vpn traffic to see originate from the alias IP instead of the main server IP but it doesn't work. I edited the ufw before rules with these lines but still nothing...
[03:25] <CryptoManiac> https://pastebin.com/u5Z1XgPA
[03:27] <sarnold> CryptoManiac: a few wild guesses: try telling openvpn to bind to the specific IP address you want; or try assigning the IP directly to the interface without using the old "ip aliases" from oldentimes
[03:33] <drab> sarnold: after some conversations with zfs ppl, seems like the sync=always would have achieved the same as bcache
[03:34] <sarnold> drab: _really_?
[03:34] <drab> basically making the slog devices a cache in front of the platters
[03:34] <sarnold> drab: that's fasincating. DHE half the time suggests to people to use sync=disable  :)
[03:34] <drab> that seems the agreement, yes, because then all writes go to the slog/ssd like we were discussing
[03:34] <drab> sarnold: well I ddin't say they recommended that :P
[03:35] <sarnold> damned freenode
[03:35] <drab> just that there was agreement the result would have been what I was wanting to achieve
[03:35] <sarnold> seems I'm not in ##Zfsonlinux and missed the whole thing
[03:35] <CryptoManiac> didn't anyone perhaps reply to my query? I was DC.
[03:35] <sarnold> CryptoManiac: oh sorry, I missed the disconnect, I gave some wild-ass guess..
[03:36] <sarnold> CryptoManiac: a few wild guesses: try telling openvpn to bind to the specific IP address you want; or try assigning the IP directly to the interface without using the old "ip aliases" from oldentimes
[03:36] <CryptoManiac> ok
[03:36] <CryptoManiac> oh
[03:36] <drab> sarnold: after the convo I'm rethinking that indeed I wanna do that... to their point, if the writes are sync then it's already happening
[03:36] <drab> if they are async, then the app isn't waiting anyway, so latency is low
[03:37] <drab> basically it goes back to being a matter of losing data sort of, whihc wasn't what I was concerned with to begin with (at least for that <1sec sort of thing)
[03:37] <CryptoManiac> sarnold: Isn't the correct way still to assign an extra ip address to eth0:0 ? (That's what i meant by alias)
[03:38] <sarnold> CryptoManiac: just ip addr add ADDRESS dev eth0
[03:38] <CryptoManiac> ok
[03:38] <drab> my 2c go to that ip addrs + ovpn bound to it
[03:38] <drab> that should do it
[03:38] <CryptoManiac> thanks guys :-)
[03:39] <drab> basically what sarnold said as usual ;)
[03:39] <CryptoManiac> will give it a shot
[03:39] <sarnold> drab: nice to know my WAG matches your 2c :)
[03:39] <drab> trust in sarnold, listen to no one else
[03:39] <drab> :P
[03:39] <sarnold> that's pretty good odds, hehe
[03:39] <sarnold> lol
[03:39] <sarnold> there's so many things I've never done before.
[03:39] <drab> it's ok, it's important to give ppl confidence :P
[03:40] <drab> so anyway, I think I'm convinced enough to stop thinking about this bcache thing with zfs, at least for the standard servers
[03:40] <drab> I think it still makes sense for some much older machines with little memory
[03:40] <sarnold> drab: yeah, that sounds about right
[03:41] <sarnold> drab: hrm, really? the flushes to disk are all tuned to happen when memory pressure or five seconds or when the application requests a sync write..
[03:42] <sarnold> drab: fwiw I've heard arguments that it's worth restricting the size of l2arc on low-memory machines, since the kernel might have to keep a huge amount of l2arc metadata in RAM instead of the ARC ..
[03:43] <CryptoManiac> lol
[03:53] <drab> sarnold: will keep that in mind, thanks, right now I'm actually not even using l2arc as I'm doing mostly writes
[03:55] <sarnold> drab: aha :) I'm doing mostly reads, so l2arc is insanely good stuff
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:42] <Vamp898> Hi guys, i want to build a java package i can distribute in the company. I used the jdk1.8.0_152.tar.gz from Oracles homepage but make-jpkg keeps telling me "No matching packaging method was found for jdk1.8.0_152.tar.gz. Please make sure you are using a tar.gz or a self-extracting archive"
[09:42] <Vamp898> I tried to unpack it --> works fine, everything is there and java works --> repack it with tar czf --> no difference
[11:14] <chron0> how do I configure macsec with /etc/network means to come up at boot?
[11:14] <chron0> or do I have to disable the config and use some rc.local script to set it up?
[12:36] <chron0> or if no one ever used macsec, how do I put iproute2 commands into this config scheme?
[12:36] <chron0> like "ip link add link eth0 macsec0 type macsec"
[13:21] <daniman> Hey guys, i was installing ubuntu-server and the Ethernet doesn't work, no lights
[13:28] <Vamp898> found it --> the package is not allowed to be named different than the original package
[13:28] <Vamp898> so a simple "mv" fixed it
[18:11] <drab> chron0: in what ubuntu version? for 1604 you can use /etc/network/interfaces if-up commands
[18:12] <drab> chron0: https://askubuntu.com/questions/168033/how-to-set-static-routes-in-ubuntu-server
[18:12] <drab> for example, see how they use the route command to add static routes
[18:12] <drab> you can do the same with ip command if that makes sense
[19:28] <drab> is there a standard facility one can use to monitor log files and run arbitrary commands on certain string matches?
[19:35] <drab> that may be
[19:35] <drab> "swatch"
[19:45]  * lordievader wouldn't be surprised if logstash offers something along those lines
[20:34] <dpb1> drab: logwatch is a good swiss-army knife that you should be familiar with.  When you move to multiple systems, it can quickly get overgrown, but it's a good sinlge-to-handful of systems tool.
[20:35] <blizzow> I mounted a logical volume that I have formatted as ext4 on a server.  When I type "mount" at a command prompt, the mount is not listed.
[20:35] <blizzow> When I do a df -h, the mount isn't listed there either.
[20:35] <blizzow> It's also not listed in /etc/mtab.
[20:38] <blizzow> I am apparently senile and never mounted the directory.
[20:38] <blizzow> Never mind.
[20:40] <sarnold> :)
[20:42] <drab> dpb1: yeah, problem is, it doesn't seem to have a daemon mode
[20:42] <drab> swatch does
[20:42] <drab> I'm not actually looking for something to report on my logs, rather I need to make automatic a couple tasks and it so happens I can find the trigger in a log
[20:42] <drab> in fact, just in case someone has a better idea...
[20:43] <drab> I need to run some stuff against devices as they come online on the network
[20:43] <drab> I don't hvae fancy switches and stuff like that, and I'm not too worried about static ip assignments
[20:44] <drab> one way I thought I could do this was by tailing the dhcp server log and run a script when an was issued
[20:54] <dnegreira> are those devices linux devices?
[20:55] <drab> dnegreira: many, not all
[20:55] <drab> but for now even just getting the linux ones, would be good
[20:56] <dnegreira> 4why not run a service discovery daemon? or a simple connect to whatever service with the server announcing itself ?
[20:56] <drab> I mean at some point they will generate traffic so I supposed I could do something on the gw with iptables, there's patches for userland stuff
[20:56] <drab> dnegreira: not sure I get it, I cannot touch the clients, at least not right now
[20:56] <drab> that's part of the reason I'm trying to do it somewhere on the network
[20:56] <drab> ie, dhcp or gw
[20:57] <drab> places I know those nodes will reach out to/go through so that I can find out about them
[20:57] <dnegreira> then monitoring the lease files of the dhcp server would be a good start I guess
[20:57] <drab> yeah, that's what I was planning on doing witch swatch
[20:57] <drab> dnsmasq supports running a script on lease, but it also runs it when you restart it for all leases in the lease file, and that's not what I want
[20:58] <drab> so monitoring the log seems the simplest compromise
[20:58] <dnegreira> but what do you want to 'know' or 'do' when a device comes online ?
[20:59] <drab> for one inventory them, ie run nmap with fingerprinting to find out what they are etc
[21:00] <drab> and in some cases run ansible on them (they are desktop boxes built a long time ago before automation), after the run the problem goes away as ansible will install the update itself to be initiated from the host
[21:16] <dnegreira> sounds nasty :)
[21:18] <dnegreira> dont you have a way to run an inventory on those desktop boxes, for example to figure out their mac address and run the ansible stuff?
[21:18] <dnegreira> instead of having to run a script, to fingerprint, to figure out what kind of action you need to do on that box
[21:29] <drab> dnegreira: eventually they will all be in an inventory, yes, this is a temp manuver to rein the chaos in
[21:30] <drab> agents is unlikely to ever happen, since several are personal computers and many mobile devices I can't put anything on
[21:30] <drab> but, once I have an initial database I plan on going directly to ppl, can't just do that yet
[21:32] <drab> btw lxc testlab on raid0 ssds with ansible and base snapshot is so damn sweet, it's a whole new chapter in being able to test things
[21:32] <dnegreira> lxc/lxd rocks
[21:34] <drab> one thing I need to figure out is how to automatically create containers and generate mac addresses and have dnsmasq reserve a range for automatic assignments
[21:35] <drab> right now I'm still defining containers in ansible and autogen'ing stuff for them, which is not as fast as just going to the host and running lxc start xyz and having a container with self-assigned mac, ip and name started
[21:35] <drab> maybe named after the shorthash from git or something
[21:36] <sdeziel> drab: in /etc/default/lxd-bridge, add LXD_CONFILE="/etc/default/lxd-bridge-static-ips" and put the static IPs in that file (i.e: dhcp-host=foo,<IP_ADDRESS>)
[21:37] <drab> sdeziel: I've ripped out most of the default stuff, including the local dnsmasq if that's what you were referring to
[21:37] <sdeziel> drab: yeah, that trick was indeed relying on the dnsmasq as provided by lxd-bridge
[21:37] <drab> because on average I don't want automagic, only magic I put in (appreciate that for ppl magical defaults are useful tho)
[21:37] <chron0> drab yeah xenial
[21:38] <chron0> but so far it looks like there are still issues with macsec
[21:38] <drab> chron0: so /etc/network/interfaces with up/down statement like in the example should work
[21:38] <chron0> so I'm one step back again getting this to work
[21:38] <drab> chron0: I'd expect there to be, it's brand new
[21:38] <chron0> it's 10y old
[21:39] <drab> uhm, somehow I thought support from kernel 4.6
[21:39] <drab> but mayube I dreamt that up
[21:39] <chron0> nah, you're right about that
[21:39] <chron0> still 10y old
[21:39] <chron0> and 4.6 id also kinda old
[21:40] <chron0> config wise it seems to work out
[21:40] <chron0> but no traffic is flowing through
[21:40] <drab> about a year old, not old enough for bugs to be ironed out, especially in stuff that's not exactly used in most setups
[21:40] <chron0> only see the initial ARP broadcast
[21:40] <drab> anyway
[21:41] <chron0> ye, macsec has only very little in the field experience it seems :/
[21:42] <drab> btw anybody here uses icinga or something that
[21:42] <chron0> i personally I have no system with kernel <4.12 running
[21:42] <drab> 's not nagios?
[21:42] <chron0> but this is at work
[21:42] <chron0> and I have to stick to ubuntu there
[21:42] <drab> or even nagios for what I care tbh, all I can't find and are looking for is a simple lava-lamp like dashboard
[21:43] <chron0> try grafana instead
[21:43] <drab> well traffic light, green yellow or red, so that it's obvious if ppl shuold look at stuff or not
[21:43] <drab> chron0: I don't see how that helps me, the problem is parsing the failed hosts/services and changing a background of a webpage or something to put on a screen ala kiosk
[21:43] <drab> I'm not looking for a full dashboard
[21:43] <chron0> i c
[21:44] <drab> basically even the tactical interface is unusable from a distance, too much text/info
[21:44] <drab> right now I have a script that fetches the failed hosts/services from the api and makes a web page bg red or white and accept filters so I can avoid reporting on non important tnodes
[21:45] <drab> but it's clunky and if stuff fails more substantially or subtly, quite unhelpful


[01:33] <zul> Kano:
[13:40] <rtg> cking: there is info about the SRU process here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[13:41] <cking> rtg: thanks!
[13:43] <rtg> cking: if pitti agrees,  then we ought to package up dapper just for that one bug. I'm pretty sure it affects a bunch of folks.
[13:47] <cking> rtg: I've subscribed ubuntu-sru - I suppose this will prompt pitti into action on it - not sure how to "package up dapper" though.
[13:48] <amitk> rtg: can we still do a hardy kernel + lum upload for lpia only?
[13:49] <rtg> amitk: yeah, but not until after the point release freeze has thawed a bit.
[13:50] <rtg> cking: this is when you get to start learning Debian packaging.
[13:50] <amitk> rtg: what does that mean? We do want this in the point release w/o an ABI change...
[13:51] <amitk> cking: lucky man! :)
[13:51] <rtg> amitk: ok, so it _only_ affects lpia ?
[13:51] <cking> it was inevitable.
[13:51] <cking> oh joy
[13:52] <amitk> rtg: yes, since it only touches config.lpia. But a lum recompile is necessary because ABI is changing for lpia.
[13:53] <rtg> amitk: so that means a forced version bump on LUM?
[13:53] <rtg> e.g., that is what triggers a rebuild.
[13:54] <amitk> rtg: I have a LUM lpia-only patch that could be snuck in there to go with the version bump. Intel would be happy...
[13:56] <rtg> amitk: ok, so the issue is that there are already a number of SRU fixes pending in the Hardy repo. Steve is _not_ going to want those in the upload. What you have to do is prep a kernel and LUM upload that contains _only_ the lpia changes, then merge the changelog, etc, back into the master branch. Does that sound right?
[13:57] <rtg> these freezes are a real pain in the ass, but I understand why he wants it done this way.
[13:58] <amitk> rtg: correct. I can reorder that patches in the tree so only lpia ones are picked up... others will be 'floated' up towards the top.
[13:58] <amitk> it will requires a git push -f
[14:00] <rtg> amitk: well, now is as good a time as any.
[14:28] <BenC> amitk, rtg, cking: Not sure if you guys noticed, but 2.6.26 is default in intrepid now (or should be if the NEW process is done)
[14:29] <BenC> new lrm was uploaded last night
[14:29] <cking> BenC: Excellent
[14:30] <BenC> And you guys might enjoy the new Kconfig system is lrm
[14:30] <BenC> I'm going to use it as a basis for lbm in intrepid as well
[14:30] <BenC> basically it's a full Kconfig like in the kernel, and you can do "debian/rules updateconfigs" like in the main kernel after adding or removing kconfig options
[14:31] <BenC> even has an "-include .../autoconf.h" for the local results added to the build
[14:42] <cjwatson> I processed at least some kernel stuff through NEW earlier today
[15:00] <BenC> cjwatson: basically it was lrm and linux-meta
[15:00] <BenC> rtg: and to make you happy, lrm is now in git :)
[15:01] <BenC> Big fat note, is all of our firmware is now in lrm, and is installed via the linux-restricted-modules-common package
[15:01] <BenC> IOW, firmware is not versioned based on the kernel now
[15:02] <BenC> I'll do some documentation on this scheme later, but the simple description is, we will make an effort to version firmware by filename instead of installed duplicate copy of it for each kernel flavour/abi
[15:04]  * BenC thinks he is done with his rambling now
[15:05] <rtg> BenC: I versioned firmware for iwlwifi by changing the firmware file name in the source.
[15:08] <BenC> rtg: exactly...that's the preferred way, IMO
[15:21]  * pgraner notes BenC found coffee this AM
[15:22] <BenC> pgraner: No, I was _served_ coffee
[15:22]  * BenC keeps a tight leash on the little minions
[15:23]  * pgraner just remembered why he had kids, to get served ....
[15:28] <amitk> BenC: SELINUX is on by default in 2.6.26. Shouldn't we turn it off?
[15:30] <BenC> amitk: enabled or actually on and being used?
[15:30] <BenC> debian/config/amd64/config:CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM=y
[15:30] <BenC> debian/config/amd64/config:CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM_VALUE=0
[15:30] <BenC> I show it as being enabled, but turned off by default
[15:31] <BenC> debian/config/i386/config:CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_DISABLE=y
[15:32] <amitk> BenC: I didn't notice the BOOTPARAM_VALUE. That looks ok..
[15:32] <BenC> pgraner: I'm sure you remember being the channel changer when you were a kid....I vowed to have my own channel changers when I grew up, but then they came out with remotes
[15:32] <pgraner> BenC: yea now mine have become remote fetchers
[15:32] <BenC> hehe
[15:48] <BenC> amitk: drm-poulsbo keep/remove in intrepid?
[15:50] <amitk> BenC: remove
[15:50] <amitk> I will integrate it into the mobile kernel tree
[15:52] <BenC> thanks
[15:53] <BenC> Anyone have an atheros, broadcom 4312 or ltmodem they can test with intrepid kernel+lrm?
[15:53] <rtg> BenC: I might have a 4312
[15:54] <BenC> rtg: if you have any broadcom...maybe you can echo VEN:DEV into new_id for the driver and see if that works too :)
[15:56] <rtg> BenC: its a 4328
[16:13] <hallyn> rtg: did you have any questions about file capabilities?  Are you at all considering enabling them in the hardy kernel?
[16:18] <BenC> cjwatson: Any gotchas in d-i stuff in 2.6.26/intrepid kernel?
[16:19] <cjwatson> BenC: the 386 udebs aren't there
[16:19] <cjwatson> I've disabled the netboot/386 build for now
[16:21] <cjwatson> haven't found anything else so far, only found that five minutes ago ;)
[16:24] <BenC> cjwatson: I thought you didn't use those?
[16:25] <cjwatson> use which, the udebs, or the netboot/386 builds?
[16:26] <BenC> we moved -386 to linux-ports
[16:26] <cjwatson> yes, and that's fine, but it doesn't build the udebs any more
[16:26] <BenC> cjwatson: ok. I'll take a look at that
[16:27] <cjwatson> I believe some people do need to use them, or at least I'm not confident that they don't :)
[16:30] <rtg> hallyn: kirkland brought that one up earlier this morning. I have a couple other issues to run to ground, then I'll take a look at it again. I did see your comment in the report.
[16:32] <kirkland> hallyn: enabling for hardy kernel will be almost impossible, unless there's a security vulnerability.  enabling for Intrepid is what I think you're requesting....
[16:32] <hallyn> kirkland: i'm a demanding jerk
[16:32] <kirkland> hallyn: ;-)
[16:32] <hallyn> rtg: ok, thanks, whenever you get a chance
[16:33] <rtg> kirkland: as hallyn pointed out, it may well be a security vulnerability.
[16:33] <hallyn> huh, what did i point out?
[16:33] <kirkland> hallyn: in your bug comment
[16:33] <rtg> hallyn: remind which bug number it was
[16:34] <rtg> maybe I'm confusing things
[16:35] <rtg> we're talking about the SET_PCAP stuff, right?
[16:35] <kirkland> rtg: hallyn: bug #95089
[16:35] <kirkland> hallyn said: "CAP_SETPCAP is dangerous when CONFIG_SECURITY_FILE_CAPABILITIES=n because then it allows a task to grant capabilities to other tasks."
[16:36] <rtg> kirkland: right. I'll get to it as soon as kees and I are done with the -security uploads.
[16:36] <kirkland> rtg: it = discussing, or it = enabling?
[16:37] <hallyn> ah, excellent, i see chris friedhoff stumbled into a linked thread and wants to help :)
[16:37] <rtg> kirkland: "it" being a nonspecific promise of attention.
[16:37] <kirkland> rtg: ;-)  cool
[17:00] <BenC> IRC meeting time
[17:01] <BenC> Give me 2 minutes to prepare
[17:02] <mrec__> BenC: ping
[17:04] <BenC> Ok, sorry for the delay
[17:04] <BenC> amitk_, rtg, cking: You guys present and accounted for?
[17:05] <cking> Here
[17:05] <rtg> BenC: dude
[17:05] <BenC> Just to get started, the primary agenda for this meeting is to discuss what's happening in Intrepid now and in the coming months
[17:06] <BenC> So as of last night some time, 2.6.26-rc6 went default in intrepid
[17:06] <BenC> If you pay attention to the git repo's, you will notice that much of lum has moved back into the main tree under ubuntu/
[17:07] <BenC> There are a few drivers still left to move, and that will occur over the coming weeks
[17:08] <BenC> In addition, lrm has been uploaded for intrepid
[17:08] <BenC> All of our firmware has been moved to linux-restricted-modules-common package
[17:08] <BenC> This includes firmware that was in lrm and in lum
[17:09] <BenC> The only drivers in lrm at the moment are broadcom 4312 hybrid driver, madwifi (still 0.9.4) and ltmodem
[17:11] <cking> BenC: Are many of the lum modules been updated, e.g. lirc?
[17:11] <BenC> nvidia and fglrx are being moved to a DKMS style package and will be available separately
[17:11] <BenC> (and just to note, almost all of this is documented on the kernel team wiki, and was discussed at UDS)
[17:11] <BenC> Speaking of UDS/wiki, the specs from there will get fleshed out soon to provide more implementation details
[17:11] <BenC> rtg, amitk_, cking: Do you guys have anything to add?
[17:11] <BenC> cking: the ones in the tree already have been refreshed to the latest stable versions
[17:11] <rtg> BenC: nah, just working on SRUs for older kernels.
[17:11] <BenC> The ones left to move (lirc included) will also be refreshed
[17:13] <BenC> Well that's all I have...anyone want to add anything, or have any questions?
[17:13] <BenC> mrec__: did you have something for the meeting, or was that a general ping? :)
[17:14] <cking> BenC: Will the build for lrm be different to that of Hardy?
[17:14] <BenC> it is based on the lum/lbm packaging
[17:14] <BenC> but has the addition of better config handling
[17:15] <BenC> it is also in git
[17:16] <cking> Better all round then
[17:16] <BenC> yeah, should make working with all the kernel related trees more consistent now
[17:17] <BenC> We'll need a good doc refresh on the kernel team wiki to match the changes too
[17:17] <BenC> If no one else has anything to add...
[17:18] <BenC> Ok, meeting adjourned then
[17:18] <BenC> Thanks everyone
[19:13] <kees> infinity: you around?  rtg and I are trying to debug a security buildd failure on amd64 lbm
[19:34] <kees> rtg: does the amd64 failure match the prior one?
[19:36] <rtg> kees: no, its slightly different, but no less confusing. however, it does build locally under a gutsy chroot.
[19:37] <rtg> kees: I'm gonna package it with an ubuntu1 version and upload it to my PPA.
[19:38] <kees> rtg: okay
[19:40] <lamont> which suite?
[19:40] <rtg> lamont: gutsy?
[19:41] <lamont> package logic is flawed
[19:41] <lamont>           dpkg -x $(ls ../linux-backports-modules-$i\_*amd64.deb) \
[19:41] <lamont> so what happens when -nn.xx and -nn.yy exist in the parent directory???
[19:42] <lamont> one must never make assumptions about the contents of the parent directory, other than that maybe the deb we just packaged landed there
[19:42] <rtg> lamont: so dak must have a package alreay there that matches, right?
[19:42] <lamont> rtg: the buildd does
[19:43] <lamont> specifically, s/3/2/ in the package name... and they're both there.
[19:43] <rtg> lamont: I guess that explains why the previous version built ok.
[19:43] <lamont> yep
[19:44] <rtg> and why my local versions don't fail, since I clean first.
[19:45] <lamont> rtg: next time you're messing around in the build process, that '*' should be replaced with the version number... :-)
[19:45] <rtg> lamont: well, I think I have to do it for this version, un;ess you can remove older releases.
[19:46] <lamont> rtg: can do
[19:46] <rtg> lamont: looks like hardy has the same issue.
[19:46] <lamont> kees: do I need to figure out how to do the give back as well, I assume?
[19:47] <lamont> rtg: I doubt the source has ever been right...
[19:48] <kees> rtg: so the -15.12 failure was due to accidental changes outside of just abi bump, and -15.13 failed due to -15.12 existing?
[19:48] <kees> (and why only for amd64?)
[19:48] <lamont> meh.  what's the source package name?
[19:49] <rtg> lamont: linux-backports-modules-...
[19:49] <lamont> yeah... it's the ... that I'm curious about
[19:49] <lamont> and I see that I can tell that
[19:49] <rtg> linux-backports-modules-2.6.22
[19:50] <rtg> lamont: I should be able to reproduce this in a chroot.
[19:51] <lamont> given back
[19:51] <kees> lamont: cool, thanks muchly
[19:52] <lamont> rtg: yeah - in the same place where you said dpkg-source -x (parent of linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-2.6.22), say touch linux-backports-modules-2.6.22_foo.amd64.deb
[19:52] <lamont> and then cd into linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-2.6.22 and do a build
[19:53] <rtg> lamont: right
[19:56] <rtg> lamont: that also explains why the PPA always works, it creates xen instance from scratch
[19:56] <lamont> yep.
[19:57] <lamont> pls to fix before next upload, kthx. :-)
[20:05] <kees> geh, failed again
[20:08] <rtg> kees: did lamont not remove the enough debs?
[20:09] <lamont> meh
[20:09] <lamont> I thought I had
[20:10] <lamont> find: debian/updates-modules-2.6.22-15-generic-di: No such file or directory
[20:10] <lamont> updates-modules-2.6.22-15-generic-di will be empty
[20:10] <lamont> make: *** [binary-udebs] Error 1
[20:10] <lamont> not my doing
[20:10] <lamont> and that'd be why -15.12 was still sitting there...
[20:10] <lamont> looks like you _do_ get to fix it. :0)
[20:10] <rtg> kees: ok, gimme a bit.
[20:11] <lamont> that was the output from         kernel-wedge find-dups 2.6.22-15-generic
[20:11] <infinity> kees: Yeah, I'm around.
[20:12] <rtg> infinity: I think we're getting it figured out.
[20:14] <kees> rtg: let me know if I can help
[20:14] <rtg> will do
[20:16] <infinity> lamont: Err, eww.  It was using ../ ?
[20:17] <lamont> infinity: with a wildcard, no less.
[20:18] <lamont> because, I mean, why would there be files in the parent directory??? :-(
[20:18] <infinity> And, on a different note, why ARE there files there?
[20:18] <infinity> As in, why is there stuff built that's not in .changes?
[20:18] <infinity> linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-15-generic_2.6.22-15.13_amd64.deb
[20:18] <infinity> linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-15-rt_2.6.22-15.13_amd64.deb
[20:18] <infinity> linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-15-server_2.6.22-15.13_amd64.deb
[20:18] <infinity> linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-15-xen_2.6.22-15.13_amd64.deb
[20:19] <infinity> Tsk, tsk.
[20:19] <lamont> infinity: oh, those are from the build failure that followed
[20:19] <lamont> they're smashing them into .changes as they go.  why would they use dpkg-deb like everyone else??
[20:19] <lamont> and then the build fails, and they leave detris to trip on the next time,.
[20:20]  * infinity cries.
[20:20] <infinity> Okay, rebuilding.
[20:20] <lamont> otoh, if I fetch a whole bunch of source versions and for i in *.dsc; do dpkg-source -x && $appropriate_cd && debuild -B; done; it'll blow up
[20:20] <lamont> infinity: I gave back -15.13 and it blew up with the empty generic-di thing
[20:21] <lamont> which, I expect, will require a new upload
[20:21] <infinity> Ahh, I see.
[20:21] <infinity> Relying on an empty build directory is stellar, though.
[20:22] <rtg> lamont: actually, the  empty generic-di thing was the first build failure, and I don't understand it.
[20:22] <infinity> Cause, like, who ever builds in a directory with stuff in it?
[20:22] <rtg> infinity: did Fabio write this originally?
[20:22] <infinity> rtg: Is it based on LRM?
[20:22] <rtg> infinity: no, probably LUM
[20:23] <infinity> rtg: Ahh, I don't know if Fabio had much to do with LUM.
[20:23] <infinity> rtg: I thought that was Ben.
[20:23] <infinity> rtg: LRM was Fabio, then half rewritten by me.
[20:23] <rtg> infinity: could be. It likely came from Feisty, and I've just inherited it.
[20:24] <infinity> rtg: We have a saying for that around here... I think it goes something like "Sucks to be you."
[20:25] <rtg> infinity: such sympathy.
[20:25] <infinity> rtg: I'm known far and wide for my lovely demeanor and sympathetic ear.
[20:25] <rtg> infinity: hmm, I've noticed.
[20:25] <infinity> *cough*
[20:27] <lamont> infinity: remember to turn your head.
[20:29] <lamont> so now that I've finally upgraded to 2.6.24-19, how soon is the next kernel going to land and make me do it all over again?
[20:29] <rtg> lamont: a couple 3 weeks yet
[20:29] <lamont> kewl
[20:30] <infinity> rtg: The PPA upload you did a while ago seems to have worked...
[20:30] <rtg> infinity: its the clean xen instance creation.
[20:30] <infinity> rtg: Also, completely offtopic.  Now that -19- is out, have you rolled those hppa changes into git for -20-?
[20:31] <infinity> rtg: Err, a dirty chroot can't be causing "find: debian/updates-modules-2.6.22-15-generic-di: No such file or directory
[20:31] <rtg> infinity: glad you reminded me. need to do that still.
[20:32] <rtg> infinity: perhaps not, but its a condition that appears to be unique to the security buildd
[20:34] <infinity> rtg: Or, perhaps, unique to chroots using pkg-create-dbgsym and pkgbinarymangler?
[20:34] <infinity> rtg: (PPA doesn't, because it's not a primary archive)
[20:34] <rtg> nifinI'll have to take your word for it :)
[20:35] <rtg> infinity: I'll have to take your word for it :) even
[20:35]  * infinity grabs a chroot and does a test build for kicks.
[20:37] <infinity> rtg: For the record, the security chroot is as clean as can be.    Just testing to see if your PPA version fails the same way.
[20:54] <infinity> rtg: If so, I'll give you directions to reproduce locally. :)
[20:55] <infinity> rtg: Your PPA version built fine here.
[20:56] <infinity> rtg: So, whatever cruft you cleaned up, that fixed the bug.
[20:58] <infinity> rtg: (To reproduce, if you were so inclined, you'd need to untar a chroot from chinstrap:~adconrad, fiddle with resolv.conf and sources.list to be sane, install build-deps, "sudo chroot chroot-autobuild su - buildd", "cd /build/buildd" "dpkg-source -x /tmp *.dsc" (assuming you put the source in tmp), and then dpkg-buildpackage from there.
[20:58] <infinity> rtg: But might just be easier to take my word for it that "15.33 doesn't work, 15.33ubuntu1 does".
[20:59] <rtg> infinity: they ought to be identical except for 'ubuntu1'
[20:59] <infinity> rtg: They really aren't.
[20:59] <rtg> just to be clear, the version is -15.13, right?
[21:00] <infinity> Err, 13, not 33, yes.
[21:01] <infinity> Ugh, -15.13ubuntu1 has all sorts of binary cruft in it, though. :/
[21:01] <infinity> That said, it "works". :/
[21:01] <rtg> infinity: could be, I didn't debdiff it before uploading
[21:02] <infinity> I suspect this is what's making it "work":
[21:02] <infinity> linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/updates-modules-2.6.22-15-generic-di/DEBIAN/control
[21:02] <infinity> Though that just feels icky and wrong, cause that so looks like it should be autogenerated.
[21:02] <rtg> infinity: I'm pretty sure it is generated
[21:04] <infinity> Possibly not, though.
[21:04] <infinity> It doesn't get cleaned on debian/rules clean, at least.
[21:04] <infinity> And the package sure seems to be unhappy about it not being there.
[21:04] <infinity> *shrug*
[21:04] <infinity> Oh, wow, this clean target is retarded.
[21:05] <infinity> The package (and git, possibly) will develop cruft if people build with one arch, but clean with another.
[21:05] <infinity> (As is the case here... I'm cleaning on amd64, but have i386 cruft lying around)
[21:07] <infinity> And that's why there's cruft in the PPA source.
[21:07] <infinity> debian/d-i-i386 needs to be manually cleaned if you're on amd64, and vice versa.
[21:08] <infinity> (And same for the other arches, I guess)
[21:12] <infinity> rtg: Anyhoo.  If you just rm -rf debian/d-i-i386, fix the version number to -15.34, and regenerate control, upload, should be good.
[21:12] <infinity> rtg: (Or seems to be here)
[21:13] <rtg> infinity: ok, I about have the exact fine match pattern figured out.
[21:13] <rtg> s/fine/fuile/
[21:13] <rtg> you get the picture...
[21:14] <infinity> I hope it's better than that regex .;)
[21:14] <rtg> infinity: yep - it uses existing make variables that have all the info I need.
[21:20] <rtg> infinity: how about this: 'dpkg -x ../linux-backports-modules-$${i}_${pkgversion}-${revision}_${arch}.deb $(udebdir)/'
[21:41] <infinity> rtg: Assuming that works, it looks slightly saner.
[21:42] <rtg> infinity: it seems to, and its an exact match, no wild cards
[21:43] <infinity> Yay.
[22:35] <mario_limonciell> hi guys: is it possible to provide a blacklist for a module on the kernel command line itself? I didn't see anything in quick searches, but I was hoping so
[22:36] <mkrufky> ah, you're here now
[22:37] <mario_limonciell> yeah hi :)
[22:37] <mario_limonciell> multiple fires i'm unfortunately fighting simultaneously
[22:38] <mkrufky> i have a link for you ... any second
[22:38] <mkrufky> brb
[22:38] <mario_limonciell> argh: it looks like it was a brainstorm idea but it didn't happen yet http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/86/
[22:43] <kees> rtg: any closer to happiness on the l-b-m build?
[22:57] <rtg> kees: I finally got it to fail on my PPA. I gotta take off for awhile, but will work on it more tonight.
[23:00] <kees> rtg: yay reproduction!
[23:00] <kees> rtg: okay, cool


[08:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[09:21] <Zhigalin> Hi
[09:22] <BluesKaj> hi Zhigalin
[10:03] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning lordievader
[10:04] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj , how are you doing?
[10:05] <BluesKaj> good here, lordievader, and you?
[10:06] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[10:18] <user|77184> hi
[10:35] <john85> hello :)
[10:42] <BluesKaj> hi john85
[10:44] <john85> Hi again BluesKaj
[10:45] <john85> sorry I was just posting on the forums
[10:46] <BluesKaj> no need to be sorry
[10:48] <john85> hows u?
[10:49] <BluesKaj> good here,l and you?
[10:51] <john85> not so bad
[10:51] <john85> having a few issues
[10:54] <BluesKaj> could you expand on that
[10:55] <john85> ill give you a link to my post
[10:56] <john85> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?t=72191
[11:05] <john85> its not a major issue,  not until i decide to want to install more software anyway
[11:08] <BluesKaj> john85, which kubuntu arte you running ?
[11:09] <john85> 14.04
[11:09] <BluesKaj> oh 14.04 , ok
[11:12] <BluesKaj> well. the change from kde/plasma 4 to kde/plasma5 is quite a big one in terms of looks and features, some better some not so much IMO ...14.04 is very stable and if you're happy with it then i recommend keeping it
[11:12] <john85> ok
[11:17] <BluesKaj> john85, google earth requires the lsb-core app to run properly , install it and GE should run fine on 14.04, but remove the present GE app first, then start over.
[11:18] <john85> GE doesnt appear to have installed at all
[11:18] <john85> and I cant install anythign at the moment
[11:19] <john85> although i have not tried to install anything through xterm
[11:20] <john85> is there a command for installing the lsb-core?
[11:24] <BluesKaj> sudo apt install lsb-core
[11:26] <BluesKaj> just a regular konsole/terminal will do
[11:33] <john85> ok...i just tried installing audacity,  and I get a message saying i need to disable third party dependancies...how do I do that?
[11:33] <john85> sorry,  third part repositories
[11:33] <john85> *party
[11:40] <BluesKaj> john85, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please
[11:44] <john85> you lost me
[11:45] <BluesKaj> that's your repository list
[11:45] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[11:47] <BluesKaj> we need to see those 3rd party repositories
[11:50] <john85> ok,  i have taken a screen shot
[11:52] <BluesKaj> you can click on edit in the file, select all, then copy and paste to pastebin
[11:52] <john85> brb
[11:54] <john85> http://imgur.com/a/XqJwy
[11:54] <BluesKaj> forget the screenshot
[11:55] <john85> ok
[11:56] <BluesKaj> nevermind, just uncheck the 3rd party  lines there, then update
[11:57] <john85> k...updating....
[11:58] <john85> ok..finished...anything else i need to do?
[11:59] <BluesKaj> did you install some special apps from those 3rd party repos?
[11:59] <john85> only skype
[12:00] <john85> tbo not sure if skype was from any of those
[12:00] <BluesKaj> ok , open a konsole and run sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[12:01] <john85> done
[12:02] <john85> oh hang on...
[12:02] <BluesKaj> no errors?
[12:02] <john85> You might want to run ‘apt-get -f install’ to correct these.
[12:02] <john85> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[12:02] <john85>  google-earth-pro-stable : Depends: lsb-core (>= 3.2)
[12:02] <john85> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[12:03] <john85> should i do what it says?
[12:04] <john85> looks like google earth is there...somewhere, afterall
[12:04] <BluesKaj> sudo apt install lsb-core
[12:06] <john85> did something...but at the end got...
[12:06] <john85> Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[12:08] <john85> brb
[12:08] <BluesKaj> ok, try, sudo apt-get -f install , I forgot apt-get works better on 14.04 than plain apt
[12:12] <BluesKaj> if that doesn't work you may need to do,  sudo dpkg -r google-earth-pro-stable , or whatever the correct package name is, then  apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, again
[12:31] <john85> back
[12:31] <john85> sorry about that...at work and keep getting called down to shop floor
[12:34] <BluesKaj> sudo dpkg -r  removes the package
[12:35] <BluesKaj> may need to start from scratch to get rid of the errors
[12:35] <john85> well im not getting any more error messages from the software center :)
[12:36] <BluesKaj> after running apt-get -f install?
[12:36] <john85> after running sudo apt-get -f install
[12:37] <john85> and succesfully installed audacity
[12:37] <john85> think ill give google earth a miss though
[12:37] <john85> thanks for your help
[12:39] <BluesKaj> john85, don't forget to install lsb-core
[12:39] <BluesKaj> :-)
[12:39] <john85> ok
[12:40] <BluesKaj> the google earth will work very nicely on your laptop , it's very stable on 14.04
[12:41] <john85> im afraid i will end up going though all that again though
[12:42] <john85> might save this log actually
[12:42] <BluesKaj> maybe the pro version isn't ready for prime time :/
[12:43] <BluesKaj> I had a lot of tearing on google earth pro, on Kubuntu 17.0, but that's a devel OS and one expects problems
[12:44] <BluesKaj> 17.10
[12:44] <john85> i got a real scare a couple of weeks ago just after installing KDE
[12:45] <john85> wanted to gibe
[12:45] <john85> watnted to give another version of kubuntu a try
[12:46] <john85> I had to go into UEFI to change boot order so i could boot from CD,  but i must have clicked on something i shouldnt have,  no idea what,  but it rebooted and came up with...
[12:46] <john85> "preparing automatic repair"
[12:47] <john85> I just panicked and held down the power button to shut it down
[12:47] <BluesKaj> 14,04 LTS is avery good choice for a work machine
[12:47] <john85> went to turn the computer on again....nothing
[12:47] <john85> blank screen
[12:47] <john85> not even the HDD light blinked
[12:48] <john85> i said a four letter profanity..thinking the worse
[12:49] <john85> i tried a few times,  before leaving it for an hour and trying one more time before bed...when it fired up just fine
[12:49] <john85> so I have no idea what the problem was
[12:49] <BluesKaj> ok good
[12:50] <john85> i had a windows recovery disc (which is supposed to work even if the computer does not power up) but that was about as useful as a chocolate tea pot
[12:51] <BluesKaj> dunno much about uefi machines, I don't even use gpt tableor the uefi settings on my lenovo g500 laptop
[12:51] <john85> brb again
[12:51] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:53] <john85> back
[12:54] <john85> i have windows 8.1 on mine as well,  since i use programs like reason and FL studio for music production
[12:54] <john85> i have heard of wine,  but I know reason has issues running on wine
[12:58] <BluesKaj> reason ? no clue
[13:00] <BluesKaj> the few times we've recorded some tunes was with Reaper ...seemed to easy enough to use
[13:00] <BluesKaj> err easy enough
[13:00] <john85> music production package  https://www.propellerheads.se/en/reason :)
[13:01] <john85> have ypu heard of LMMS?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> no
[13:06] <BluesKaj> we're an old school rock and country-rock band ...basically a garage band actually :-)
[13:06] <john85> cool :)
[13:08] <john85> i had another question,  but cant remember what it was now :(
[13:11] <john85> so what is your band called?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> you mentioned anti virus ... as long as your windows install is well protected that's mostly what matters ...there aren't many viruses that affect linux ,,I haven't come across any in my 12 yrs of linux use...but linux can poas a virus to windows , so one has to be careful
[13:12] <BluesKaj> pass
[13:12] <john85> ok thanks
[13:13] <BluesKaj> our band doesn't have a name anymore, onr of core members who gave the band a name passed away last fall so we're withot a handle right now
[13:15] <BluesKaj> we used to be called "the house of battered men"   :-)
[13:15] <john85> i go by the name Prototype,  for a long time i didn't go by a name at all since I have only ever shared my music with one other person
[13:15] <john85> cool name
[13:17] <BluesKaj> we recorded a cd about 15yrs ago , but it was pretty rough around the edges sound-wise ...for internal use only :-)
[13:17] <john85> i only make music for myself...I'm not confident enough to share it
[13:18] <BluesKaj> yeah, I understand.
[13:24] <john85> i gtg....i need to get some work done
[13:24] <john85> thanks again for your help,  speak again soon i hope
[13:28] <user|61409> update kubuntu 16.04
[13:29] <user|61409> how to update kubuntu 16.04 ?
[13:29] <yellowfinluna> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[13:29] <yellowfinluna> put that into konsole
[13:29] <yellowfinluna> or terminal
[13:30] <user|61409> think you veryyr much
[13:30] <yellowfinluna> you're very welcome c:
 Good day everyone!
[18:51] <clivejo> hi
[21:17] <user|28999> how easy is Kubntu to install on Mac Sierra OS x


[00:14] <MindfreaK> Hello
[00:14] <MindfreaK> anybody here ?
[00:14] <knome> !anybody | MindfreaK
[00:15] <MindfreaK> I got a problem with my xubuntu , i installed the 12.04 LTS . I got an nvidia geforce 540m gt . Everything works like a charm but there is no opengl
[00:15] <MindfreaK> Additional drivers says there are none to install
[00:16] <MindfreaK> nvidia xserver settings says im not using nvida x driver
[00:16] <MindfreaK> i then changed the xconf but it just broke by changing my screen resolution to 600x600 or something like that
[00:17] <MindfreaK> the edited xconf was made by nvidia-xconfig command
[00:17] <MindfreaK> so now does sb know any solution ?
[00:23] <krytarik> Please see here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/84354/how-to-enable-3d-acceleration-with-an-nvidia-geforce-gt-540m - and particularly follow up there: http://askubuntu.com/questions/36930/how-well-do-laptops-with-nvidia-optimus-work
[00:27] <disty> hello
[00:27] <krytarik> Hi disty.
[00:28] <disty> hi, krytarik
[00:28] <disty> :-)
[00:36] <disty> I have no sound in my xubuntu.
[00:37] <disty> I don't know if it's a hardware issue or software.
[00:38] <zoredache> is volume up in the mixer?  Does the mixer show any input/output devices?
[00:41] <disty> It's up.
[00:42] <disty> I can hear with headphones.
[00:47] <disty> ALSA-MIXER playback.
[00:51] <disty> lspci | grep -i audio
[00:51] <disty> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[00:52] <disty> cat /proc/asound/cards
[00:52] <disty>  0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[00:52] <disty>                       HDA Intel at 0xe4624000 irq 45
[00:52] <SuperLag> Zelouille: there was an icon at the right, that had "Menu Bar" unchecked.
[00:54] <disty> Any idea, zoredache ?
[02:03] <Cheri703> fun discovery: if you put in the xubuntu live usb, it gives an option to upgrade from ubuntu 12.04 to xubuntu 12.10. I chose that. It erased my quassel logs and who knows what else, as well as failing to reinstall software I had. quite annoyed. Did not choose to overwrite, chose to upgrade, and it ate my data
[02:03] <Cheri703> and yes I know I *should* have backed up, but....when upgrading, one expects it to leave data in place and not completely wipe the partition
[02:05] <Cheri703> so >1 year of logs and various things I'm sure I'll discover later are now gone. Luckily the majority of my stuff was on the external hard drive. Apparently it only kept my home folder intact, everything else it wiped. I'm going to suggest that quassel rethink its storage location...
[02:07] <Unit193> Where does it have them now?
[02:07] <Cheri703> /var/lib/quassel/ some sqlite file
[02:07] <Cheri703> and apparently that gets completely wiped during an upgrade through the liveusb
[02:16] <Cheri703> ok screw it, it's being weird and I can't even open up the samba configuration, I'm just going to do a full wipe and reinstall >_< not what I had planned for the evening
[02:16] <Cheri703> any way to remotely monitor the installation?
[02:16] <Cheri703> so I don't have to sit in the other room while it runs?
[02:16] <Unit193> I do the ssh in, screen, and do-release-upgrade, but it appears that's not recommended. :P
[02:16] <Cheri703> it'll be from liveUSB
[02:18] <Unit193> You should technically be able to drop to a TTY, install x11vnc and use that, not done this though.
[02:18] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[02:18] <Cheri703> I'll try it, thanks
[02:18] <Cheri703> I just learned how to use the x11vnc to remote in before login tonight :)
[02:18] <Cheri703> I'll be off quassel for a while, because that's my server :s I'll get on webchat if I need to
[06:21] <bullgard4> I have got the directory /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32/Documentation/. How to obtain Documentation  for the 3.2.0 kernel?
[06:27] <krytarik> bullgard4, do you have that kernel installed then?
[06:33] <Unit193> bullgard4: What are you trying to get exactly?
[06:34] <Unit193> !info linux-doc
[07:15] <bullgard4> krytarik: Yes sir. And now please answer my question.
[07:16] <Zelouille> SuperLag: ok, sometimes the problem is simpler that it seems. I was wrong, sorry.
[07:17] <krytarik> bullgard4, if you want to find the documentation under a similar path, you'll obviously have to install that kernel's sources too.
[07:19] <bullgard4> krytarik: In Xubuntu installation goes via DEB program packages.. What DEB program package do you speak about?
[07:23] <krytarik> bullgard4, what Ubuntu version are you using then?
[07:24] <bullgard4> krytarik: Linux 3.2.0-37-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Jan 24 2013
[07:24] <bullgard4> i686 GNU/Linux
[07:25] <krytarik> Well, that helps too - it's the package "linux-headers-3.2.0-37-generic" then.
[07:27] <bullgard4> krytarik: No, it is not that package. It's the the package linux-source-3.2.0 which I found out in the mean time. And this package is installed. Still, there is a wrong Documentation installed.
[07:31] <krytarik> Well, then have a look at its filelist here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/i386/linux-headers-3.2.0-37-generic/filelist
[07:59] <SuperLag> Is there a Xubuntu version of the 13.04 beta available? or do you just have to get the standard version and install xubuntu-desktop?
[08:00] <Unit193> !cdimage
[08:00] <Unit193> !daily
[08:01] <SuperLag> excellent
[08:01] <SuperLag> thank you
[08:01] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[08:02] <Guest33894> awww im too slow
[09:51] <ronalds_m> hello, just installed xfce for ubuntu, how to get language settings for it to take english in interface only?
[10:06] <ronalds_m> also I want to take off the color behind icons used on xfce desktop, and blue color when I drag to select icons
[10:06] <ronalds_m> maybe somebody can help with these tweaks
[10:07] <well_laid_lawn> ronalds_m:  have you checked in the settings manager for language settings?
[10:07] <ronalds_m> yes
[10:08] <well_laid_lawn> and what happened? - I only have one language...
[10:08] <ronalds_m> it shows that I'm using english
[10:08] <ronalds_m> but it's my native in xfce menu
[10:08] <ronalds_m> for panel and other things
[10:09] <well_laid_lawn> ask again in a bit and someone that knows might be able to give an answer
[10:38] <xubuntu248> hey there, I just made the jump to linux xubuntu and I opted for not allowing 3rd party during installation
[10:38] <xubuntu248> how do I now install flashplayer for xubuntu please
[10:50] <bullgard4> xubuntu248: Install the DEB program package »flashplugin-installer«.
[10:52] <xubuntu248> thanks bullgard4....where can I find the DEB program package please
[10:53] <bazhang> !flash
[10:54] <bullgard4> Install the program »Synaptic«  by downloading the DEB program package »synaptic« and installing it. Synaptic will tell you where to find the DEB program package »flashplugin-installer«.
[11:12] <buc> hi everybody
[11:13] <moetunes> !info synaptic
[11:51] <root_> anyone using a plantronics usb headset? I've got a strange issue when I plug in the headphones, they are detected, show up in audio properties but at the same time disables my mouse. All but right click...strange. But when I unplug the headphones everything is back to normal
[11:51] <root_> i'll be back...logging out of root
[11:52] <zeroth_> back
[11:54] <baizon> zeroth_: check dmesg
[11:54] <baizon> if anything strange is happening
[12:00] <zeroth_> not really sure what I'm looking for. But I'm not exactly a linux expert. I'll google around and find some resources on dmesg output and how to read it
[12:17] <zeroth_> am I allowed to post dmesg output here for help?
[12:21] <TheSheep> zeroth_: pastebin it
[12:21] <TheSheep> zeroth_: see the topic for an address for the ubuntu pastebin
[12:27] <zeroth_> here is the paste if anyone wants to see if anything jumps out at them. I'm still looking around and getting familiar with the output.. http://pastebin.com/AJdeK5Yc
[12:35] <zeroth_> Maybe the problem is the device is using uhci_hcd? Just a thought
[12:38] <zeroth_> probably not...
[12:51] <Guest26846> alright gents how does this work
[12:52] <Guest26846> where do the noobs go
[12:52] <TheSheep> !hi | Guest26846
[12:52] <Guest26846> ok let me check that out first and i'll brb
[13:14] <heraclitis> why am i getting an edd error when installing xubuntu?
[13:14] <GridCube> edd?
[13:16] <heraclitis> enhanced disk drive
[13:17] <GridCube> no idea what that is, sorry
[13:30] <Guest26846> I shall return, thanks
[13:31] <bkos> KOUKOU
[13:32] <bkos> is it an english channel ?
[13:33] <GridCube> this is yes
[13:34] <GridCube> what is your language bkos ?
[13:34] <bkos> i'm french but no problem about english
[13:34] <GridCube> :)
[13:34] <GridCube> in any case for your information
[13:35] <GridCube> !fr
[13:35] <GridCube> :D
[13:35] <GridCube> but you are very welcome here
[13:36] <bkos> nice ! could be great to improve my english talkin with you guys :p
[13:36] <TheSheep> bkos: also, there is #xubuntu-offtopic for the informal chat
[13:37] <bkos> ok thanks, the installation 's done, must reboot, see you
[14:26] <witiko> I'm experiencing a behavior where my xfce4 mailwatch and audio volume plugins get wrong (not reflecting the theme) icons upon restart. Latest xubuntu, does anyone know if there is a way of fixing this petty but annoying bug?
[14:30] <baizon> witiko: have you tried to switch to another theme and then back to your old theme?
[14:30] <witiko> I did, these two icons go unaffected
[14:30] <witiko> When I add another mailwatch it respects the theme until another restart
[14:31] <baizon> witiko: have you tried to clear the .cache directory?
[14:31] <baizon> but back it up please
[14:33] <witiko> baizon: I'll give it a go
[14:38] <witiko_> Clearing the .cache folder helped. Thanks!
[14:40] <baizon> witiko_: nice to hear :)
[14:40] <witiko_> baizon: It must've been due to the update to 12.10 :)
[14:40] <baizon> indeed
[14:41] <baizon> thats often a solution :) (clearing .cache)
[14:46] <ronalds_m> why can't I 200% volume on xfce?
[14:47] <GridCube> because that would break your sound card
[14:47] <ronalds_m> right
[14:48] <ronalds_m> I installed xfce on ubuntu, it's working perfectly, but can't make sound louder
[14:48] <ronalds_m> from mixer
[14:49] <ronalds_m> I could do that in gnome/unity part
[14:49] <GridCube> ronalds_m, that depends on each program too
[14:50] <GridCube> you can get to 150% overall and 150% for each program
[14:51] <GridCube> 153 in fact
[14:51] <ronalds_m> yeah, but how to get those controls from standart ubuntu
[14:51] <GridCube> you clic on the speaker icon, go to settings...?
[14:52] <GridCube> no right clic, just clic
[14:52] <ronalds_m> ...
[14:52] <ronalds_m> I added gnome applet, just for having it in tray
[14:52] <GridCube> why?
[14:53] <ronalds_m> right click + sound preferences brings cut down ubuntu settings
[14:53] <GridCube> i dont know what that is
[14:53] <GridCube> neither understand why you use a gnome applet on xfce
[14:56] <ronalds_m> installing xfce goodies
[14:56] <GridCube> no need for that
[14:57] <GridCube> its just there on the plugins indicators
[14:57] <ronalds_m> mixer?
[14:57] <GridCube> no... just the plugin indicator, it contains the sound indicator
[14:58] <ronalds_m> dafaq
[15:00] <ronalds_m> where I can see sound for individual applications
[15:03] <ronalds_m> I found pulse audio mixer
[15:04] <GridCube> when you open pavucontrol
[15:04] <GridCube> it shows you the stream for each running application
[15:04] <GridCube> it wont show you streams for non running apps
[15:05] <ronalds_m> you still talking what you have
[15:05] <ronalds_m> what is pavucontrol
[15:08] <ronalds_m> whats interesting is that default terminal is terminator
[15:08] <GridCube> ronalds_m, http://i.imgur.com/SbKE33w.png?1
[15:08] <ronalds_m> I don't have plugin indicator
[15:08] <ronalds_m> I'm using xfce session not xubuntu
[15:08] <GridCube> what
[15:08] <GridCube> why not?
[15:09] <ronalds_m> I have notification area
[15:09] <GridCube> if you dont have that you dont have xubuntu pretty much
[15:09] <ronalds_m> I have ubuntu + xfce
[15:09] <GridCube> weeeeeeell then you dont have xubuntu ronalds_m
[15:09] <GridCube> thats not how it works
[15:09] <ronalds_m> I have xubuntu on my second pc
[15:09] <ronalds_m> that counts? :D
[15:10] <GridCube> ronalds_m, there you would have the plugin indicator then
[15:10] <GridCube> ronalds_m, do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and then login using a xubuntu session
[15:10] <GridCube> then we will continue to help you, else, it makes no sense
[15:10] <ronalds_m> ok sorry
[15:11] <ronalds_m> I like plain xfce
[15:11] <ronalds_m> I'm using win 2000 type and some xfce smooth theme
[15:12] <GridCube> ronalds_m, you can do that on xubuntu
[15:12] <ronalds_m> I'm happy right now
[15:12] <GridCube> there is no difference on those points
[15:12] <GridCube> right
[15:12] <GridCube> well then make a launcher for pavucontrol or something
[15:12] <GridCube> i cant help you more sorry
[15:12] <ronalds_m> I made a louncher
[15:13] <ronalds_m> for pulse audio
[15:13] <ronalds_m> mixer
[15:13] <GridCube> i dont know if thats the same as pavucontrol, but it might? no idea
[15:14] <ronalds_m> it's interesting how apps lounch instantly on xfce, rather than waiting in unity or kde
[15:14] <ronalds_m> maybe
[15:15] <GridCube> ronalds_m, alt-f2 and type pavucontrol
[15:15] <GridCube> see if its the same
[15:15] <ronalds_m> yes
[15:15] <ronalds_m> you were right about name
[15:16] <GridCube> then there you  have a tab named output devices, there you can up to 150%
[15:16] <ronalds_m> I have question about icon moving on desktop
[15:16] <GridCube> then each running app will have a stream on the first tab when running
[15:16] <GridCube> yes?
[15:17] <ronalds_m>  can I make all icons move and stay the same position
[15:17] <ronalds_m> similary to nautilus
[15:17] <GridCube> no idea
[15:45] <LJSeinfeld> Good morning -- Trying to figure out how to mount a smb (or afp) share in xubuntu.  I can access it with gigolo, but I don't know how to make it show up in the file manager (like in the mnt folder).. been googling around / trying things to no avail
[15:46] <GridCube> its gvfs-backends installed LJSeinfeld
[15:46] <GridCube> ?
[15:46] <LJSeinfeld> yes
[15:47] <GridCube> it should just be there then
[15:47] <LJSeinfeld> I'm not sure to test / check if it's running.. but I did install it in my attempt to figure this out on my own last night
[15:47] <LJSeinfeld> in /mnt ?
[15:48] <GridCube> http://i.imgur.com/iV5kzOi.png
[15:50] <GridCube> LJSeinfeld, ^ as show there it should just be smb:///
[15:50] <holstein> i just right-clicked and clicked "open" and it opened and showed me the path
[15:50] <GridCube> holstein, ?
[15:51] <holstein> in gigolo.. i mounted something, and right clicked on it, and the filemanger opened it, showing the path
[15:51] <LJSeinfeld> let me see here…
[15:51] <GridCube> oh right
[15:52] <GridCube> in my case the "Red" icon appears there, and i've never even configured a thing
[15:53] <LJSeinfeld> GridCube -- so in your example, what would be the path to that drive?
[15:54] <holstein> LJSeinfeld: can you right click on the share? in gigolo? and click "open".. do you then see the share open a file manger?
[15:54] <GridCube> smb:///WORKGROUP/SharedDirectory
[15:54] <GridCube> ? maybe?
[15:55] <LJSeinfeld> yep -- but I'm trying to have the drive appear as local to the file manager
[15:55] <GridCube> aaaaaaa
[15:55] <GridCube> thats different
[15:55] <GridCube> thats a whole lot different
[15:55] <LJSeinfeld> im betting..
[15:56] <holstein> LJSeinfeld: mount it where you like
[15:56] <LJSeinfeld> I've been trying for hours.. can't seem to get it to work
[15:56] <holstein> !mount
[15:56] <holstein> ^ i would just follow that, and mount it where i want
[15:57] <holstein> or, just use what gigolo is setting up.. or something more permanent
[15:57] <LJSeinfeld> I would like it to happen at boot, forever
[15:58] <holstein> LJSeinfeld: i would not use gigolo then..
[15:58] <holstein> maybe just samba...
[15:58] <LJSeinfeld> I'm pretty new to linux, more so to xubuntu…. so I could use a little help if you guys don't mind
[15:59] <GridCube> LJSeinfeld, add it to fstab
[15:59] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[15:59] <GridCube> http://askubuntu.com/questions/157128/proper-fstab-entry-to-mount-a-samba-share-on-boot
[16:00] <holstein> LJSeinfeld: the only suggestion i would have is to just wait.. just use gigolo, and wait til you are more comfortable.. think about how long you used windows before you auto mounted any shares at startup
[16:01] <LJSeinfeld> I have no problem with gigolo - but I need the drive to show up as local to the file system…
[16:01] <holstein> LJSeinfeld: it *is*.. its in the mountpoint that gigolo is putting it
[16:02] <LJSeinfeld> hmm… well, I can't find it…
[16:02] <LJSeinfeld> I've looked for a hidden .gvfs folder per various google searches… nothing
[16:02] <GridCube> holstein, its a smb:/// conection, not a mounted folder
[16:03] <holstein> LJSeinfeld: you can also mount manually.. or use one of the links above.. i personally dont use windows, and i havent setup samba in a while.. but anything is possible
[16:03] <holstein> GridCube: you can mount that though, correct?
[16:03] <GridCube> no
[16:03] <GridCube> not without smbfs
[16:03] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/84494/whats-the-easiest-way-to-mount-windows-share-as-a-local-folder-in-home-director
[16:04] <holstein> LJSeinfeld: smbfs is an option, correct?
[16:05] <LJSeinfeld> won't install via apt -- says I should use cifs-utils (which I have installed) instead
[16:05] <GridCube> LJSeinfeld, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cifs-utils/+bug/1095294
[16:05] <GridCube> see comment 3
[16:06] <LJSeinfeld> this is basically what i've been trying… can't seem to get it to work
[16:06] <LJSeinfeld> let me try again
[16:08] <LJSeinfeld> OK, so I created folder MediaRAID in /mnt
[16:08] <LJSeinfeld> and ran sudo mount -t cifs //plex/mediaraid /mnt/MediaRAID
[16:08] <LJSeinfeld> and got "error 22 invalid argument"
[16:08] <GridCube> porque mount?
[16:09] <GridCube> i mean, why mount?
[16:09] <GridCube> wouldnt it just be sudo cifs //blah/blah/blha /bleh/bleh?
[16:09] <GridCube> i have no idea of this though
[16:09] <LJSeinfeld> I don't know… I'm trying to follow the example given
[16:10] <LJSeinfeld> I do need it to show up at a mount point so it's local to the file system
[16:10] <holstein> yeah, and i have no easy way of testing it with an actual windows install present, or i would
[16:10] <LJSeinfeld> basically, I have a box that is on my LAN that needs to do work on a network share.  The programs need a path to the shared folder, so it needs to appear local
[16:11] <LJSeinfeld> locally
[16:11] <GridCube> wait
[16:11] <GridCube> try the ip, not just plex
[16:12] <LJSeinfeld> same error -- but the share does need a username and password
[16:12] <LJSeinfeld> let me try the other example and see what I get
[16:12] <holstein> i would have an open share, so you arent troubleshooting multiple issues at once
[16:13] <LJSeinfeld> not sure how to do that on OS X
[16:13] <LJSeinfeld> (which is where the drive lives)
[16:13] <holstein> osx can do ssh as well, if that is easier
[16:14] <LJSeinfeld> and have it show up as local  mount?
[16:14] <GridCube> LJSeinfeld, make an fstab entry like this:
[16:14] <GridCube> /servername/sharename  /media/windowsshare  cifs  username=msusername,password=mspassword  0  0
[16:14] <GridCube> and try to mount it by sudo mount /media/windowsshare
[16:15] <GridCube> there is an extra / at the begining of that line
[16:15] <LJSeinfeld> ok .. fstab is in /etc/fstab ?
[16:15] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/43363/how-to-auto-mount-using-sshfs
[16:15] <GridCube> yes
[16:16] <LJSeinfeld> so just put a line in like:
[16:17] <LJSeinfeld> weird… that got blanked out…
[16:17] <GridCube> yes, you put a / at the begining
[16:17] <GridCube> thats an irc command
[16:18] <LJSeinfeld> ahh.. right
[16:18] <GridCube> add a few spaces at the beginig and type again
[16:18] <GridCube> or 3 /
[16:18] <GridCube> //
[16:19] <LJSeinfeld> so   //plex/mediaraid  /mnt/MediaRAID cifs username=plex,password=mypassword 0 0
[16:19] <GridCube> sure
[16:19] <LJSeinfeld> 2 spaces between //plex/mediaraid and  /mnt…….
[16:19] <GridCube> in theory, if cifs its installed, that should, maybe work
[16:20] <GridCube> spaces are irrelevant, you can use tab or spaces, just no linebreaks
[16:20] <LJSeinfeld> single spaces are ok too then?
[16:20] <GridCube> for all that i know, yes
[16:20] <GridCube> i like to use tabs
[16:20] <LJSeinfeld> ok..
[16:21] <LJSeinfeld> I can just append to the end of my fstab
[16:21] <LJSeinfeld> ?
[16:21] <holstein> i do.. just back it up, and know how to restore using a live CD
[16:21] <GridCube> add a new line, put that in, hit enter to add an empty line
[16:22] <GridCube> P: well, yes, what holstein said makes sense
[16:22] <LJSeinfeld> Ok it's in there --- now what?
[16:23] <GridCube> now save the file
[16:23] <LJSeinfeld> did, ran sudo mount /mnt/MediaRAID… got error 22…
[16:23] <GridCube> oh boy
[16:24] <LJSeinfeld> lol… mounted network volumes automagically show up in os x under /Volumes/Blah
[16:24] <LJSeinfeld> just sayin' :D
[16:24] <LJSeinfeld> pulling my hair out …
[16:25] <LJSeinfeld> mount error(22): Invalid argument
[16:25] <LJSeinfeld> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs)
[16:25] <GridCube> ok its a kernel bug
[16:25] <GridCube> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832741
[16:26] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/995535
[16:28] <GridCube> you need a newer kernel
[16:28] <GridCube> or an older cifs
[16:28] <LJSeinfeld> how do I pull that off…
[16:28] <LJSeinfeld> just was going to ask how to downgrade cifs
[16:29] <GridCube> no idea
[16:29] <holstein> maybe just search cifs in synaptic and step it down.. or try the ssh share
[16:29] <GridCube> or try a newer kernel
[16:30] <GridCube> (in my opinion your best aproach)
[16:30] <holstein> GridCube: you think mainline?
[16:30] <holstein> !mainline
[16:30] <GridCube> that should do, its in the recommended solutions on lp
[16:30] <holstein> i remember running a mainline kernel for a while, to test something
[16:30] <GridCube> even thought that might break other things
[16:31] <holstein> yeah... again, knowing how to boot the current kernel, and recover.. keep the kernel that you have LJSeinfeld
[16:32] <LJSeinfeld> I'm gonna need a little newb-level help with this
[16:32] <LJSeinfeld> maybe easier to downgrade cifs?
[16:32] <LJSeinfeld> at least no chance of not booting then?
[16:33] <GridCube> yeah, the problem is, dependecies are a weird topic, if you downgrade something, it might need downgraded deps, that might mean that other apps would fail and so on
[16:34] <LJSeinfeld> same for moving kernel in another direction, no?
[16:34] <holstein> i would try it... as long as you have a decent idea how to recover.. or just do ssh
[16:34] <GridCube> P: but if its ppaed, you can ppa-purge
[16:34] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/43363/how-to-auto-mount-using-sshfs seems too easy
[16:34] <GridCube> !info ppa-purge
[16:34] <LJSeinfeld> looking at ssh..
[16:38] <Cheri703> at some point, I need some help with getting x11vnc set up, because it is NOT working pretty much at all for me :s
[16:46] <LJSeinfeld> lol first example of sshfs produces a mystery file in /mnt/MediaRAID… I click it and xbuntu asks me what I'd like to try and open it with
[16:46] <LJSeinfeld> … this should not have to be this difficult.
[17:15] <cindylo> hello everyone
[17:15] <cindylo> I got audio question
[17:16] <GridCube> !ask | cindylo
[17:17] <cindylo> anybody have an idea why my left laptop speaker has a crackling noise then playing music through it?
[17:19] <GridCube> nope
[17:20] <zeroth> have you tried plugging some headphones in to see if you still hear the crackling?
[17:22] <zeroth> or it's blown..
[17:26] <cindylo> indeed I have
[17:26] <cindylo> and it works fine with headphones
[17:26] <zeroth> then it's probably a driver issue.
[17:29] <cindylo> where would I get a realtek linux driver then?
[17:30] <zeroth> I've never had the issue..maybe someone else knows. Google would probably be quicker though.
[17:31] <cindylo> yea tried google
[17:31] <cindylo> and tried a solution I might have found but it didn't help
[17:32] <GridCube> cindylo, have you tried other os? like on a live cd?
[17:32] <GridCube> to see if its not a hardware issue?
[17:32] <GridCube> on notebooks the cable that sends sound to the speakers can sometimes move or cut
[17:33] <cindylo> nope not tried any other OS
[17:33] <cindylo> going to take a spare laptop speaker and rip this one apart and see if the other has the same issue
[17:36] <GridCube> thats under your own responsability
[17:37] <cindylo> oh trust me its not the first time I have ripped this thing apart ;)
[18:35] <misterjinx> does anyone know why there is no gnome-screensaver-settings package available ? i just installed gnome-screensaver but can't find a proper settings package so that i can alter any available settings accordings with my needs
[18:38] <misterjinx> nor does gnome-screensaver-preferences
[18:41] <baizon> misterjinx: http://askubuntu.com/questions/59577/replace-xscreensaver-with-gnome-screensaver-xubuntu
[18:43] <misterjinx> baizon: thanks, but that was the first place to searh for an answer to my question
[18:43] <misterjinx> i added manually that file, but without gnome-screensaver-preferences it's useless
[18:43] <baizon> there are no gnome-screensaver-preferences package
[18:43] <baizon> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnome-screensaver&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[18:44] <misterjinx> i've seen that :(
[18:44] <misterjinx> if it does not exist how one should be able to alter the settings ?
[18:45] <baizon> misterjinx: your answer... http://askubuntu.com/questions/204667/making-gnome-screensaver-auto-lock-in-xfce
[18:45] <baizon> misterjinx: because gnome-screensaver is combined with the gnome 3 power management
[18:46] <misterjinx> ok, i see. thanks :)
[18:46] <baizon> np
[22:17] <xUbuntuTr> hi there
[23:18] <gnoob> Hello, I wonder where I would make a small donation to Xubuntu?
[23:20] <Unit193> gnoob: You can't directly to Xubuntu, but you can either donate to Ubuntu or Xfce (I think.)
[23:23] <gnoob> OK


[00:23] <mparillo> Is there some kind of automated testing: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/413/builds/220260/testcases All cases tested by https://launchpad.net/~cheker Is he a bot or a hero to be executing every test on the daily build?
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all, Happy Friday!


[08:29] <rob^> Madpilot, did you end up writing that introduction blurb for the FAQ Guide?
[08:30] <Madpilot> rob^: it's half done, I'll stick something up to the doc-list in a couple of hours
[08:30] <rob^> ok cool
[08:30] <rob^> I'm going to open the FAQ Guide for review in the next few days
[08:39] <Burgundavia> http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[08:39] <Burgundavia> I need to work on the quicktour
[08:40] <Madpilot> cool. Hi, Burgundavia. You have net access again?
[08:40] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:41] <Burgundavia> trying to install breezy now
[08:41] <Burgundavia> first cd I burned didn
[08:41] <Burgundavia> 't boot, 2nd freezes at install
[08:41] <Madpilot> md5sums are your friends
[08:41] <rob^> or you can just use the verify thing on the cd
[08:42] <Burgundavia> the iso I downloaded is md5 correct
[08:42] <rob^> been a bit of talk about it lately on -devel mailing list
[08:43] <Burgundavia> so the next Ubuntu conference is in Montreal
[08:49] <Madpilot> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050814
[08:51] <Burgundavia> those are really gnome bounties
[08:51] <Madpilot> what, including the atomic wedgie one? ;)
[08:51] <Burgundavia> all the others
[08:51] <Burgundavia> I wish
[10:21] <Burgundavia> rob^, for the text editing stuff, I recommend alt-f2 to get run applications and then gksudo gedcit
[10:22] <rob^> most of the time people are in the terminal anyway
[10:22] <rob^> i just used a regex to replace vim with gedit
[10:22] <Burgundavia> but if you are launching a gui app, might as well make it fully gui
[10:23] <rob^> yeah, it neither here nor there though
[10:23] <Burgundavia> both are a total hack
[10:23] <rob^> yep
[10:23] <rob^> I'm gonna release it for review shortly
[10:24] <rob^> bbl
[10:56] <rob^> Madpilot, whats your full name?
[10:58] <mdke> rob^, you know that you don't have to release the whole thing for review at the same time, you can just mark the relevant sections "review" when you think the writing has finished. if sections need more writing you can mark them "help" and people will be able to help out
[10:58] <rob^> thats just it, the thing is just about finished
[10:58] <rob^> and ready for review
[10:59] <rob^> the only thing I am waiting for is a small introduction paragraph from Madpilot
[11:00] <mdke> ok if you want to do it like that
[11:07] <rob^> once I start marking things for review, what happens?
[11:08] <mdke> all sections should be marked as to what stage they are, so that people can see what needs doing, and contribute
[11:08] <mdke> i've been wanting to do some doc work for a while, so when some sections are marked for review, I will start doing some reviewing
[11:09] <mdke> when a section has been reviewed, it is marked as "finished" and when the whole document is finished, it is ready for release
[11:09] <rob^> they are all ready as far as I can see
[11:09] <rob^> cool
[11:11] <mdke> great
[11:11] <mdke> sooner you mark em, sooner we can help
[06:18] <Burgundavia> morning rob^
[06:18] <Burgundavia> morning robitaille even (bloody nick completion)
[06:22] <robitaille> yeah...these long nicks are a killer if someone else has a shorter nick :)
[06:28] <Burgundavia> robitaille, do you REJECT or DISCARD spam on -ca?
[06:31] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  I think I tend to discard. But I have no idea what is the difference between the two.
[07:09] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: i see you have a job again
[07:57] <highvoltage> channel has been quiet. how are things in ubuntu-doc-world?


[00:07] <rmg51> great
[00:08] <rmg51> no hibernate in 12.04 on Teddy's laptop
[00:11] <rmg51> now I don't know if I should upgrade my laptop
[00:35] <jedijf> rmg51: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
[00:35] <jedijf> fix teddy's first
[00:35] <rmg51> doing it now
[00:36] <rmg51> same thing I found
[00:51] <jedijf> rmg51: did it work?
[00:51] <rmg51> not yet
[00:52] <rmg51> I forget how to save in nano
[00:52] <EvilResistance> ctrl+w no?
[00:52] <EvilResistance> ctrl + o
[00:52] <EvilResistance> for "WriteOut"
[00:54] <rmg51> not working
[00:54] <EvilResistance> are you using nano or vi?
[00:54] <rmg51> they don't tell you where to save the file
[00:54] <EvilResistance> by default that is the case
[00:54] <EvilResistance> there is no 'Save As'
[00:55] <EvilResistance> if you're editing a file in a folder, and that file still exists and wasnt changed since you edited, it auto-overwrites
[00:55] <rmg51> nano
[00:55] <EvilResistance> hm
[00:55] <EvilResistance> in nano it automatically asks where to save
[00:55] <EvilResistance> even if editing a current file
[00:55] <EvilResistance> you sure you dont see it in thhe bar at thebottom?
[00:55] <rmg51> this is a new file
[00:55] <EvilResistance> it will be very close to the command-things
[00:55] <rmg51> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
[00:56] <EvilResistance> ah, well your new file will be saved wherever pwd is
[00:56] <rmg51> trying to get hibernation to work
[00:56] <EvilResistance> but it should ask what filename to use
[00:56] <EvilResistance> s/pwd is/pwd says you are/
[00:57] <rmg51> it's saved in home
[00:57] <EvilResistance> with the changes?
[00:58] <rmg51> yes
[00:58] <EvilResistance> so cp the changed file(s) with sudo to wherever they go
[00:58] <rmg51> where it goes is what I don't know
[00:59] <EvilResistance> You can also enable the hibernate option in the menus. To do that, use your favorite text editor to create /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/com.ubuntu.enable-hibernate.pkla. Add the following to the file and save:
[00:59] <EvilResistance> i think its stated right in there dude
[01:00] <rmg51> that's the part I don't think I fully understand
[01:01] <EvilResistance> how so?
[01:01] <EvilResistance> do this: sudo nano /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/com.ubuntu.enable-hibernate.pkla
[01:01] <EvilResistance> then edit the file as it says to
[01:01] <EvilResistance> then save it
[01:01] <EvilResistance> voila, that file's been edited
[01:01] <EvilResistance> (if you don't edit with sudo, it wont save but will need to be saved elsewhere)
[01:02] <rmg51> let me try again
[01:02] <EvilResistance> also, if you dont know what something means, you ask about it
[01:02] <rmg51> I just did
[01:02] <EvilResistance> (and ask specifically about what you don't know, and not a roundabout thing)_
[01:02] <jedijf> rmg51: control x
[01:03] <EvilResistance> right, ctrl+o to save, ctrl+x to exit nano
[01:07] <rmg51> this is where I get messed up
[01:07] <rmg51> I'm not sure what if anything I should name the file
[01:08] <rmg51> should it be the whole fist string?
[01:09]  * EvilResistance facedesks
[01:09] <EvilResistance> i'll let jedijf help you, i'm in an argument with a bugcontrol member
[01:09] <rmg51> /etc/polkit I suck at terminal :P
[01:19] <jedijf> the whole thing the first part is the path, the last part is the filename
[01:23] <rmg51> looks like it saved it right this time
[01:25] <rmg51> it's there
[01:25] <rmg51> just no hibernation
[01:26] <EvilResistance> might hav eto reboot first
[01:26] <EvilResistance> to refresh the settings
[01:26] <rmg51> just tried with log out
[01:27] <rmg51> didn't work
[01:27] <EvilResistance> can someone do me a favor?
[01:27] <EvilResistance> check and see if the quantal repos are responding
[01:27] <rmg51> trying reboot
[01:27] <EvilResistance> rmg51:  logout doesnt autorefresh system settings
[01:27] <EvilResistance> reboots do though
[01:27] <rmg51> doing it now
[01:29] <EvilResistance> jedijf:  can you check and see if the quantal repos respond to apt-get requests?  building a chroot for quantal is 404ing
[01:30] <rmg51> didn't work
[01:30] <jedijf> rmg51: you have to issue the command pm-blah blah
[01:30] <rmg51> still no hibernation
[01:30] <rmg51> not with the file
[01:31] <jedijf> did it show up in the power menu drop down?
[01:31] <rmg51> it's supposed to bring it back to the shutdown menu
[01:31] <rmg51> no
[01:31] <jedijf> yeah, i just read that
[01:32] <JonathanD> Evening.
[01:41] <rmg51> got it
[01:42] <rmg51> you need to save the file first then add the lines
[01:43] <rmg51> I just reedited it and took the /etc/polkit...... line out
[01:43] <rmg51> hibernation is now back on the menu
[01:43] <rmg51> I keep telling everyone I suck at command line
[01:47] <rmg51> works off the menu
[01:47] <rmg51> didn't work from the keyboard
[01:52] <rmg51> back to normal
[01:53] <rmg51> got it working from the keyboard
[10:03] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:25] <rmg51> morning
[10:25] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[10:30] <rmg51> yo
[10:31] <JonathanD> Whats up?
[10:32] <rmg51> getting ready to go for a walk
[11:51] <waltman> morning