 @Elias [It's totally wrong what you say, and I can't hear something like that without re …], again it was extensively discussed how they disable hyperthreading in the linux kernel to mitigate the vulnerability known as spectre and meltdown, but if your so inclined to believe these vulnerabilities are intentional backdoors by some shadow
[00:11] <ubptgbot> organisation that's up to you. … but it's not something most of the 3300 people are interested in.  … even less so if "operating systems can't mitigate it" in which case people would either have to live with it or avoid the device altogether. …  @libremax has made a forum post to keep track of these devices, feel free to add to it if you feel it's
[00:11] <ubptgbot> missing entries and/or information. … but again this group is about ubuntu touch and what that offers, that's what most of the 3300 people are interested in. you have been warned by an admin before, it is best to abide to the rules set by the group admins
 yes, again, this is not about Ubuntu Touch. Use of logical fallacies, such as jumping to conclusions, false equivalence, and appeal to authority will not make you right, nor on topic. if you insist on continuing to promote your paranoia as truth without evidence, and argue about off topic subject matter, i will have to take further action.
 as was answered before all that, Ubuntu Touch does not currently have full disk encryption; it is not trivial to add it; and there still bigger and higher priority things that need to be done first, which core devs are working on. but if you wish to work on things specifically relating to full disk encryption in order to move that along, f
[00:32] <ubptgbot> eel free to dive in and have at it.
 Everything I said was sourced, I challenge you to show me what is wrong with what I just said. … Whether it's an intentional or unintentional flaw isn't very important, that's why I didn't insist on it even though a lot of articles on the web talk about it. … You want to banish me just because you disagree with me.
 Flaws are only that. There is the overflow group if you want to discuss flaws in things we don't control.
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[03:03] <Budgii> Helo!
[03:03] <Budgii> Hello, even!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/macrezGj.webp
[03:03] <Budgii> I just install UBports on my pinephone. works great so far. One thing I notice, is I am unable to use the dongle that came with it to connect to a monitor with mouse and keyboard
[03:04] <Budgii> Anyone aware of this issue?
[03:35] <ubptgbot> Syvar1 was added by: Syvar1
 i believe that's a known issue but don't quote me on that
 feel free to look at the issue tracker at https://gitlab.com/ubports/pinephone
 ......think i got the addess wrong oops
 aha tis https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone
[04:09] <ubptgbot> lfpereiras was added by: lfpereiras
[04:28] <Budgii> ubptgbot: Fuseteam: sorry, i didn't see these! looking now
 was there an issue with one of the devel versions where all click apps are gone? at least the app drawer?
 This lookslike a  pretty cool multi-OS (including Ubuntu Touch) bootloader for PinePhone - https://twitter.com/xteeio/status/1325145392007184385?s=09
 [Edit] This looks like a  pretty cool multi-OS (including Ubuntu Touch) bootloader for PinePhone - https://twitter.com/xteeio/status/1325145392007184385?s=09
 @TotalSonic [This looks like a  pretty cool multi-OS (including Ubuntu Touch) bootloader for …], It doesn't boot any OSs for me
 @dohbee [yes, again, this is not about Ubuntu Touch. Use of logical fallacies, such as ju …], To be honest, I think this is unfair. I do not understand the technical part, but a) security IS part of UT, b) he did provide links (I can not tell if the content is good though). He did argue resonable and @fuseteam as an Xperia X user I am inte
[06:54] <ubptgbot> rested in this kind of information. There are many lenghty porting discussions here that are boring likewise for many users. BUT I do agree, that this group is not be the best place to keep in depth discussions alive.
 @TotalSonic [This looks like a  pretty cool multi-OS (including Ubuntu Touch) bootloader for …], woah
 amazing
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/T7Vz4kOp.webp
 Phones connect to cell towers. They are a tracking device. The hardware and OS is irrelevant to that fundamental fact. For clarity, yes, UT phones talk to cell towers!
 If one is so deeply concerned about being tracked better not use a mobile device at all. Or only use WiFi
 @Flohack [If one is so deeply concerned about being tracked better not use a mobile device …], Exactly. Or converse naked in the middle of a field, under five space blankets 😜
 whats a space blanket
 Emergency blanket
 (Photo, 733x1000) https://irc.ubports.com/XYa8WNva.png
 ah thx yesss ^^
 -_-
 Hey Florian, I think upgrading to OTA-14 broke bluetooth for me on angler.
 @Danfro [To be honest, I think this is unfair. I do not understand the technical part, bu …], Sure but this really isn't the appropiate place for it the overflow group is way more appropiate and there's a forum post about it here: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/866/security-meldown-spectre-and-ubports-smartphones-tablets?_=160495328768
[10:09] <ubptgbot> 0
 @SomeIrrelevantPerson0000 [Hey Florian, I think upgrading to OTA-14 broke bluetooth for me on angler.], Please feed back as a bug report. There have been some regressions with Camera, affecting ringtones
 @Stereofont [Please feed back as a bug report. There have been some regressions with Camera, …], Where do I do that?
 @Fuseteam [Sure but this really isn't the appropiate place for it the overflow group is way …], Agreed. Security in general is a much wider topic than just UT. That is why we have Overflow, for things that are off topic in this group
 @SomeIrrelevantPerson0000 [Where do I do that?], There is OTA14 call for testing blog
 Can you link me to it please? Would appreciate it.
 @Danfro [To be honest, I think this is unfair. I do not understand the technical part, bu …], [Edit] Sure but this really isn't the appropiate place for it the overflow group is way more appropiate and there's a forum post about it here: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/866/security-meldown-spectre-and-ubports-smartphones-tablets?_=16049
[10:14] <ubptgbot> 53287680 … Plus rodney has told him multiple times not to continue the discussion here... … And tbh the tinfoil hat flavor brings it a bit to the paranoid side, a vulnerability and a backdoor are two very different things
 @Stereofont [There is OTA14 call for testing blog], Can you link me to it please? Would appreciate it.
 @SomeIrrelevantPerson0000 [Can you link me to it please? Would appreciate it.], https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues
 Thanks
 No problem
 @SomeIrrelevantPerson0000 [Where do I do that?], https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch is a good place to start :3
 Hehe
 Oops lionel already linked ya xD
 @SomeIrrelevantPerson0000 [Hey Florian, I think upgrading to OTA-14 broke bluetooth for me on angler.], Remind me what Angler is?
 Nexus 6P
 Ahah. I think this reflects that for devices with very few users, we have a weak testing regime
 I just connected my bluetooth keyboard to my device, then UT Crashes and bluetooth never starts again. Tried `hciconfig` and `rfkill list` and bluetooth isn't even mentioned there either.
 @SomeIrrelevantPerson0000 [Nexus 6P], It makes your observations and feedback especially valuable
 But, I will push a bug report. I appreciate again.
 Thanks
 I've added it
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/vjPrsS2C.webp
 @SomeIrrelevantPerson0000 [I've added it], Sorry to hear. Will test at home
 I dont use bluetooth a lot
 @Flohack Voice note from Teleports on my BQ M10 HD
 (Voice, 15s) https://irc.ubports.com/BdotwSjd.oga
 Works! btw Dorset is a province of England 😃
 @dtarrant [<reply to media>], Lovely!
 I like your British accent a lot BTW
 And yes, voice notes can get people better connected, since its always better to hear ones voice than just read typing
 (Voice, 26s) https://irc.ubports.com/8TaG3QE6.oga
 For those whose first language is not English, voice notes may be much easier than writing. On the other hand, voice notes in English may be much more difficult to understand than written comments
 @Stereofont [For those whose first language is not English, voice notes may be much easier th …], inb4 people send chinese voice notes
 Test Voice Note from Nexus 4
 (Voice, 11s) https://irc.ubports.com/ssx3UnMY.oga
 Silence
 Nexus 4 can't record (known issue) :(
 PinePhone can play voice notes but can't record since not possible to permit microphone etc
 maybe try other telegram client
 like `mywebtelegram`
 @Flohack [If one is so deeply concerned about being tracked better not use a mobile device …], I totally agree with you, that's why I don't use a phone chip, but I use the "Linphone" application with the anonymous service https://dtmf.io/login in SIP protocol, so I can receive and send phone calls and SMS without anyone knowing who I am, I
[12:11] <ubptgbot> use the GlocallMe portable router to connect to the internet outside https://www.glocalme.com/FR/en-US/cloudsim/roaming_free_wifi_g4pro.  … or simply use disposable 4G chips. … That's why I don't use the pinephone, because the Linphone application doesn't work on the pinephone despite the efforts of "Joan CiberSheep".
 @Stereofont [Phones connect to cell towers. They are a tracking device. The hardware and OS i …], You are absolutely right ;) … But I thought about this problem and I found solutions before you even need to formulate it
 And I think I don't need to specify that I'm using a self-hosted VPN to connect to the internet from the smartphone.
 can we move the convo to https://t.me/ubports_overflow please
 [Edit] can we move the convo to https://t.me/ubports_OF please
 [Edit] can we move the convo to https://t.me/ubportsOF please
 @Fuseteam [can we move the convo to https://t.me/ubportsOF please], 👍 Interesting, but getting too specific and more general security based.
[12:48] <ubptgbot> Paulo pandryx was added by: Paulo pandryx
 When i installed Ubuntu Os Can i run command terminal ? like pc / laptop
 you can run command on a terminal but not exactly the same as PC. I mean not all commands will work out of the box like for example installing stuffs via apt
 Oke Thank u for information 🙏
 I"m sorry i want ask How Instal WhatsApp on Ubuntu Touch
 @YoviIhsanP [I"m sorry i want ask How Instal WhatsApp on Ubuntu Touch], Anbox
[13:50] <ubptgbot> Engr_MH was added by: Engr_MH
 @BlackHat17 [Anbox], Which at the moment is not functional. So a very bare-bones WhatsApp experience via Morph browser if you have an Android phone somewhere, running the official app constantly in the background
 @Stereofont [Which at the moment is not functional.  But, I think the issue is also cutting the sound in calls, it's like intermittent sound output. I only installed UT on Op3t to test the new installer and these issues stoped me from using it as dai
[14:18] <ubptgbot> ly driver.
 @Stefano0101 [Yes, I run into that issue too on Op3t. But, I think the issue is also cutting t …], If you can confirm in the bug reporter, that would be helpful
 @Stereofont [Which at the moment is not functional. So a very bare-bones WhatsApp experience …], Whatsweb in the open store gives you a fairly decent whatsapp web experience.
 The dark theme of whatsapp web looks better on UT
 @Stefano0101 [Yes, I run into that issue too on Op3t. But, I think the issue is also cutting t …], I make fresh install with devloper channel and evrything work fine
[16:02] <ubptgbot> Adil Mulla was added by: Adil Mulla
 Developer channel with the op3 and the only issue I have with notifications like that, is that the notification audio kinda cuts in and out, or at least doesn't play smoothly, but it still plays
[16:30] <ubptgbot> DI MATTEO marjorie was added by: DI MATTEO marjorie
[16:33] <ubptgbot> <taiebot taiebot> @dtarrant [Nexus 4 can't record (known issue) :(], Same here
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Developer channel with the op3 and the only issue I have with notifications like …], Same here. I wonder why, on Nexus 6P. Is that a Halium thing
 How to install(ubuntu touch) on not listed phones
 @Tipper365 [How to install(ubuntu touch) on not listed phones], Its not possible thats why there is a list?
 @Tipper365 [How to install(ubuntu touch) on not listed phones], you have to develop a port for any devices not on the supported list
[17:47] <ubptgbot> <Ganvix Gust> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/6NZgxZuI.wav
[17:47] <ubptgbot> <Ganvix Gust> Best ringtone ever for Ubports
 @YougoChats [The dark theme of whatsapp web looks better on UT], .....there's a darktheme?
[17:48] <ubptgbot> impreza233 was added by: impreza233
 Hello everyone 👋
 I have ported, with help, a Motorola phone to UBPorts.
 What could be the next steps to do?
 Can someone answer this guy? https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5140/problems-with-pinephone-builds
 @impreza233 [What could be the next steps to do?], What stage are you with porting?
 That's the forum thread if someone wants to test https://forums.ubports.com/topic/4838/motorola-moto-e-2015-4g-lte-surnia
 @Fuseteam [What stage are you with porting?], All the indicated in the thread
 @impreza233 [That's the forum thread if someone wants to test https://forums.ubports.com/topi …], Basically it works at 85-90%
 Hmmm guess you'll have wait for answers there then
 Thanks 😊
 @impreza233 [Basically it works at 85-90%], Ah guesd next is getting it in the installer maybe?
 @impreza233 [Basically it works at 85-90%], [Edit] Ah guess next is getting it in the installer maybe?
 @Fuseteam [Ah guess next is getting it in the installer maybe?], I don't know the steps, so I ask about that
 Are you in @ubports_porting?
 @Fuseteam [Are you in @ubports_porting?], Nop
 @Fuseteam [Are you in @ubports_porting?], [Edit] Nope
 Feel free to ask there too
 Perfect :)
 @Fuseteam [Are you in @ubports_porting?], BTW TELEports now supports joining groups with public and invite links :P
 @Flohack [BTW TELEports now supports joining groups with public and invite links :P], Not private groups?
 @Flohack [BTW TELEports now supports joining groups with public and invite links :P], [Edit] Not private groups?  Or I suppose invite links means to private groups?
 @imraniqbal [Not private groups?  Or I suppose invite links means to private groups?], yes
 Ah the t.me links, niiice
 Great 😊👍
 yesss
 Marius is that you 👀
 no no, I'm not a developer
 @Fuseteam [Ah the t.me links, niiice], Here you go, you can test it: https://t.me/UBportsOF.
 @McMarius11 [no no, I'm not a developer], 😂😂😂you got the reference
 @imraniqbal [Here you go, you can test it: https://t.me/UBportsOF.], works nicely woohoo
 @Fuseteam [😂😂😂you got the reference], Yes 😉👍
 @Javacookies [so bq phones does really have great battery? that's nice], I think it is the characteristics of the mobile in general, battery, screen, processor, etc ..... and Ut, hehehehehe …  Its right there in the settings
 oh wow how did i miss that
 the dialogs need some love tho hmm3
 [Edit] the dialogs need some love tho hmmm
[21:37] <ubptgbot> ianand007 was added by: ianand007
 Is there any way to install ubport gsi on Redmi 5a
 I flashed a rom then wiped all and formatted data too after that flashed ubports gsi then ramsidk , boot no console patch , and apparmor enabler then rebooted Redmi 5a it's on bottle bootloop  … I missed helium boot coz it wasn't available  I am still on bootloop
 you need halium-boot specific for you device
 [Edit] you need halium-boot specific for your device
 then it should works
 otherwise go back to android
[21:59] <ubptgbot> Viktor was added by: Viktor
 Can anyone make helium boot for Redmi 5a  … codename :- riva
[23:32] <ubptgbot> Jazzing_fabulously was added by: Jazzing_fabulously


[01:52] <ali1234> http://imagebin.org/163423
[05:56] <shauno> ali1234: curious, what am I looking at? (re: the graph type thing from hours ago)
[06:03] <ali1234> shauno: http://pastebin.com/MmDyP1sZ
[06:04] <ali1234> in short the lines are a damaged signal and the bars are the fixed signal
[06:04] <ali1234> i look for a way to get from a to b that doesn't take 4 and a half days
[06:06] <shauno> ah
[09:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Yall better show up now - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/05/23/yall-better-show-up-now/
[09:34] <AlanBell> shauno: doesn't avahi stay on the same subnet anyway?
[09:35] <AlanBell> ali1234: very impressive stuff
[09:54] <Apacheuk> Hello everyone, quick question is there a way to stop evolution from checking for email when the screen saver is enabled?
[09:57] <daubers> Morning
[10:32] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: you could write a plugin for that
[10:33] <brobostigon> o/
[10:45] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS:  I could do that :) was kinda hoping someone already had
[12:21] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[12:59] <penguin42> Myrtti: My thoughts exactly
[14:40] <nadiacutie> gtfuygvjhv
[15:05] <gord> geez, reading about the apple patents they were awarded against HTC last weekend really makes me think they are a vile company
[15:07] <penguin42> link?
[15:10] <gord> http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+Plot+to+Kill+Top+Android+Maker+HTC+Nears+Fruition+With+Win/article22173.htm
[15:14] <penguin42> gord: So the 1st one is something like spotting a phone number and raising an alert on spotting it?
[15:16] <penguin42> heck teh 2nd one is  pretty wide ranging and rather fundamental
[15:16] <penguin42> haha it references Byte
[15:16] <penguin42> both quite old - I suspect around the time of Newton?
[15:24] <gord> penguin42, pretty much
[15:24] <penguin42> gord: It's going to be difficult to find prior for those given how early they are
[15:26] <siya> sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-input-wizardpen
[15:26] <siya> No candidate version found for xserver-xorg-input-wizardpen
[15:26] <siya> ^^^ Any idea what could cause this?
[17:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andrew] GtkAction  HowTo and Why - http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2011/07/17/gtkaction-howto-and-why/
[17:14] <AlanJenkins> hey guys, anyone know the best way of forcing a package to uninstall via dpkg?
[17:15] <AlanJenkins> got a package that has a removal script that keeps becoming a zombie
[17:15] <AlanJenkins> so never completes
[17:15] <AlanJenkins> any recommendations?
[17:18] <directhex> AlanJenkins, you can remove the removal script, if you're desperate
[17:18] <AlanJenkins> yeah looks like that may be the only way
[17:18] <AlanJenkins> =/
[17:18] <gyyrog> hello
[17:18] <AlanJenkins> where do they normally hide directhex?
[17:18] <directhex> it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$packagename.prerm
[17:18] <AlanJenkins> kk
[17:19] <AlanJenkins> i'll move it to a diff name and try that
[17:20] <gyyrog> I need some advice. I am a UK citizen that has lived my entire life in the states. I am interested in moving to the UK and working for a while.
[17:20] <gyyrog> What is a good source to find IT related jobs out there?
[17:21] <AlanJenkins> ok that worked nice one directhex
[17:22] <AlanJenkins> just had to rm -R /home/NX and userdel nx afterwards in place of the prerm script =)
[17:22] <AlanJenkins> then just rm'ed the script after
[17:22] <AlanJenkins> fyi looks like nxserver free edition doesnt play well with ubuntu 11.04 (didnt in my case anyways) =)
[17:24] <DJones> gyyrog: There is a linux jobs mailing list, bt I'm stuggling to find a link for it
[17:24] <gyyrog> I have some apple certifications now. Is there much call for that out there?
[17:25] <gyyrog> In the US we have a lot of headhunter/placement services. Has anyone had a good experience with ones over there?
[17:26] <DJones> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ Worth keeping an eye on, no idea about about apple cert's, not something I've noticed being spoken about, maybe somebody else might have an idea though
[17:27] <directhex> apple certs. that's adorable.
[17:29] <gyyrog> :)
[17:29] <gyyrog> It was the only job I could find out of school
[17:29] <gyyrog> I live in rural norther michigan
[17:30] <gyyrog> The closest town that has more than 7,000 residents is an hour and a half drive away
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> they have internet there?! :P
[17:30] <gyyrog> Thanks DJones
[17:30] <gyyrog> sometimes
[17:30] <shauno> you're not far off where I was then.  spent a few years just outside petoskey
[17:31] <gyyrog> a lot of people still use dialup
[17:31] <gyyrog> I live in Petoskey!
[17:31] <shauno> seriously?
[17:31] <gyyrog> Yeah
[17:31] <gyyrog> Right down town on the same block as the 7-11
[17:31] <gyyrog> I work in Bay Harbor
[17:31] <gyyrog> A little Mac store
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> McStore?
[17:32] <gyyrog> shauno: what did you do out here?
[17:32] <shauno> went nuts & left :)
[17:32] <gyyrog> Thats what I am in the process of
[17:33] <gyyrog> It is beautiful up here, but little diversity of culture and next to no IT jobs
[17:33] <shauno> worked in a coffee shop on the other side of the bay for a few years.  moved back to europe at the first semi-sensible chance that came up
[17:33] <shauno> IT-wise you either work at the hospital, the tribe, or you leave
[17:35] <gyyrog> yup
[17:36] <gyyrog> maybe a school district
[17:37] <gyyrog> So leaving it is
[17:37] <gyyrog> I have been looking at Denver too, but I really feel the need for a substantial change
[17:38] <shauno> from petoskey, anything with a population is going to be a change :/
[17:38] <shauno> that is funny tho.  I was over there 5 years, and never realised there was more of us
[17:39] <gyyrog> I have met maybe 4 UK citizens over the years. My mom included
[17:39] <gyyrog> I grew up in Detroit, and lived in chicago for 3 years
[17:40] <shauno> there was 5 of us hiding in harbor springs :)
[17:43] <DJones> gyyrog: Whereabouts i the uk is your mom from?
[17:44] <gyyrog> uxbridge
[17:46] <gyyrog> I have some family in Bristol too
[18:16] <dude_> hello i'm having some trouble with xchat. could someone please help me? thank you
[18:23] <darren> ?
[18:24] <brobostigon> ?
[18:28] <AlanBell> !ask | dude_
[18:36] <dude_> AlanBell, lubotu3 thankyou for your hospitality. i'm new to irc and have been in some hostile channels before now that turn thier noses up at giga-noobs such as myself lol.
[18:36] <dude_> hello i'm having some trouble with xchat. could someone please help me? thank you
[18:36] <dude_> oops
[18:36] <jacobw> what trouble are you having with xchat?
[18:37] <dude_> I'm using Ubuntu 11.04 in Gnome 2.x and the tray icon has recently vanished. I have checked the box in >preferences>alerts but it still isn't there. i've also tried sudo-apt remove xchat. and autoremove after that. and i've deleted the .xchat from my home folder, reinstalled it and still it doesn't show. thanks
[18:41] <jacobw> you might not have a notification area on the panel
[18:41] <jacobw> the 'app indicators' applet is seperate from the notification area applet
[18:41] <jacobw> try adding a notification area to the panel
[18:49] <dude_> ok i'm going to try logging in and out to see if the changes worked
[18:54] <dude_> wish, i would like to thank you. that was the solution. another recommended me adding xchat to a whitelist using gconf-editor>desktop>unity. i had tried that but it was crass. your solution worked without it
[18:56] <popey> Evening everyone.
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> \o
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> Top Gear in 4 minutes :)
[18:56] <brobostigon> evening popey
[18:56] <brobostigon> :)
[19:04] <ujjain> kjlkjkj/win 32
[19:10] <gyyrog> They did a US version of Top Gear. It was no where near as good
[19:10] <dwatkins> as with Red Dwarf
[19:11] <shauno> protip: bbc america :)
[19:31] <AlanJenkins> anyone have any experience setting up neatx on ubuntu server 11.04?
[20:44] <GreenDance> Hi, I would like to run some server side commands, I was hoping to create a web interface to do them, but I've been told doing the commands via a web interface is very insecure, so would it be better to do them just via ssh instead?
[20:49] <andylockran> howdy
[20:57] <zleap> ok a bit off topic anyone seen this ok heres something funny,  goto google maps,  and type in china as stating point and then taiwan as your destination and check out step 48
[21:05] <siya> simple question: how to I switch from Unity to xfce?
[21:05] <siya> I installed xfce but didn't see the option of selecting it when logging out/in
[21:06] <siya> afaik I should be able to kill unity and start xfce, right?
[21:07] <zleap> you should be able to select xfce when you login,
[21:08] <dotwaffle> I'm fed up with my overheating Macbook Pro, and looking to get a new laptop. I'm assuming most laptops are now pretty much Ubuntu compatible out of the box, any recommendations? I'm more after looks than features, though playing 720p MKVs would be nice.
[21:09] <siya> zleap: some forum tells me to install xubuntu-desktop
[21:09] <zleap> ah
[21:09] <zleap> i thought you could select different window managers from the log in screen downt he bottom somewhere
[21:09] <siya> I suppose this is one of those "doh!" moments and I should hang my head in shame?
[21:09] <siya> so did I
[21:10] <siya> but nothing showed in the bottom bar. Maybe I should have rebooted
[21:11] <zleap> i would have thought logging out would be sufficient
[21:12]  * siya nods
[21:12] <siya> right trying again
[21:12] <siya> cheers
[21:13] <zleap> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1775832
[21:13] <zleap> np
[21:16] <zleap> HI
[21:19] <zleap> hi
[21:48] <reaper4334> Hey, has anyone here any idea on how to change MAC address of a wireless adapter using Broadcom drivers?
[21:48] <zleap> er can you change a mac address
[21:48] <oracology> reaper4334: try doing it through gnome network manager?
[21:48] <zleap> i thought it was hardwired in
[21:48] <oracology> zleap: you can spoof it i think.
[21:49] <zleap> ah
[21:51] <reaper4334> oracology: Thanks, I'll give that a try now. I tried using ifconfig but with no luck
[21:53] <oracology> reaper4334: verify through network manager afterwards. good luck ;)
[21:59] <reaper4334> oracology: unfortunately didn't work. even though the router has no address filtering, once I've changed it I can't connect
[22:00] <oracology> reaper4334: ah damn. try restarting?
[22:01] <reaper4334> I did :( I had the same problem with the terminal method using ifconfig, it seems it's just an issue with the drivers
[22:01] <oracology> reaper4334: ah sorry mate. i tried :(
[22:01] <reaper4334> oracology: thanks anyway, if it weren't for my stupid hardware your solution would work :P
[22:02] <oracology> reaper4334: np np. have a good night. i'm hittin' the sack.
[22:02] <reaper4334> oracology: thanks, you too :D
[22:20] <davmor2> hello all
[23:41] <JGJones> argh dammit...
[23:41] <JGJones> screwed up with rapid photo downloader somehow...and now my HDD is jammed full of duplicated photos....
[23:41] <popey> oops
[23:41] <JGJones> 200Mb free space...
[23:41] <JGJones> sigh
[23:42] <JGJones> aye...i'll leave it for tomorrow to sort all that out.
[23:44] <JGJones> before I do that...any recommendation on a image editor that can search for and remove duplicates based on checksums etc (by remove, move it to another external HDD...I wouldn't want to risk my photos!)


[11:04] <habermann24> i want to use user jobs. i have one in ~/.init/ ...
[11:04] <habermann24> but start hello_world does not find the job
[11:05] <habermann24> using ubuntu 11.10 .. any ideas?
[18:07] <JanC> kklimonda: does http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#instance answer your question?


[22:06] <Unit193> https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/thunar_4.15.2-1.html I neglected to note the other 4.15 uploads I've done, but there's some in experimental, some in NEW, and some not yet done.


[01:56] <infinity> happyaron: *poke*
[05:47] <pitti> Riddell: FYI, kopete regression on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html - seems the package is FTBFS now
[05:48] <pitti> Riddell: kdepim-runtime also keeps failing on ppc64el; seems it only succeeded twice, so a very racy test; ignore, I suppose?
[05:48]  * pitti sets it to "always failed"
[06:27] <pitti> Riddell: and http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/b/baloo-kf5/wily/armhf/ fails on the ABI compliance checker, this also looks real
[07:13] <pitti> sil2100: good morning
[07:13] <pitti> sil2100: thanks for the MP! as written there, I ran cron.daily.rtm last night; do the packages look ok to you?
[07:13] <pitti> sil2100: if so, I'll enable it in cron
[07:14] <pitti> sil2100: every Tuesday afternoon, I suppose
[07:16] <FourDollars> Why can I not see the latest trusty updates at https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager?
[07:21] <FourDollars> Not from https://code.launchpad.net/network-manager neither. :-(
[07:22] <seb128> FourDollars, those packages are not maintained in those vcs and the autoimporter are sometime suboptimals
[07:22] <FourDollars> seb128: I need to fix some issue on trusty. Do you know where is the bzr repo?
[07:23] <seb128> FourDollars, none afaik, just get the source package and do a debdiff including your change
[07:24] <FourDollars> seb128: I saw lp:~network-manager/network-manager/ubuntu, lp:~network-manager/network-manager/ubuntu.vivid, lp:~network-manager/network-manager/ubuntu.precise at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager. But no lp:~network-manager/network-manager/ubuntu.trusty. It is weird.
[07:25] <seb128> check with cyphermox when he's online, maybe he has a vcs...
[07:25] <FourDollars> OK.
[07:49] <FourDollars> cyphermox: hi
[07:50] <jamespage> cjwatson, pitti: I think I know the answer to this question - the latest heat and keystone uploads for wily have broken versioning - they have not built yet and are stuck in proposed - is it possible to remove the source packages from proposed an then correct? thus avoiding bumping epoch
[07:51] <pitti> jamespage: right, please avoid bumping epoch at all cost, it will make the package forever not syncable
[07:51] <pitti> jamespage: yes, we can remove them from proposed
[07:51] <jamespage> pitti, awesome - that would be most helpful
[07:51] <pitti> jamespage: but the next upload can't re-use the same version number
[07:52] <jamespage> pitti, it won't - the upstream version number will be corrected, but it will be lower than the current one from dpkg's perspective
[07:52] <jamespage> is that ok
[07:52] <jamespage> ?
[07:52] <pitti> jamespage: I'm not entirely sure; you'll find out at next upload :)
[07:52] <jamespage> current == the one in proposed
[07:52] <pitti> jamespage: oh, 0rc1 →  0~rc1 :)
[07:53] <jamespage> pitti, yes...
[07:53]  * jamespage sighs
[07:53] <pitti> jamespage: removed
[07:53] <jamespage> pitti, thankyou
[07:54] <pitti> time and again, having -proposed is so immensely helpful
[07:56] <jamespage> pitti, agreed
[08:08] <sil2100> pitti: thanks for the test run! I'll triple check them in a moment and give you a sign :)
[08:10] <pitti> sil2100: nice!
[08:10] <pitti> sil2100: btw, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html → seems qtmir and -gles were published prematurely? looks like they are missing a new mir?
[08:10] <pitti> same for unity-system-compositor
[08:11] <pitti> infinity: is bug 1435466 still actually a blocker?
[08:12] <pitti> infinity: block-proposed I mean
[08:44] <infinity> pitti: There was one FTBFS on arm64 that I saw float by that I wanted to make sure wasn't a regression on other arches too.  I think once I've had a chance to play with that, I'll lift the tag
[08:45] <pitti> infinity: ack, thanks; I mostly wanted to know whether it was still justified, but sounds like it is
[09:04] <happyaron> infinity: hey
[09:04]  * happyaron back from dinner
[09:10] <seb128> jamespage, zul, there is a trivial patch for a typo fix in the package description on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ironic/+bug/1451139 could you include it in the next ironic upload?
[09:18] <jamespage> seb128, yup
[09:19] <seb128> jamespage, thanks
[09:19] <seb128> jamespage, I'm assigning to you and unsubcribing sponsors, is that ok?
[09:25] <caribou> micahg: Got some bandwidth to sponsor the fix for LP: #1481737 ?
[09:45] <Riddell> pitti: I don't get the acc error in baloo, it's just running a dump of symbols isn't it? there's no actual comparison going on.  I can recreate the error but there's no output so I've no idea what it's problem is
[09:45] <cjwatson> jamespage: lower than a deleted package is OK, yes
[09:46] <Riddell> pitti: ah yes it's in logs/ "ERROR: can't access '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5BalooEngine.so'"
[09:46] <pitti> Riddell: I have no idea what abi-compliacne-checker does
[09:46] <pitti> Riddell: x86_64? it only fails on armhf
[09:46] <pitti> Riddell: but yeah, some verbose output certainly would be useful, to be able to see what to actually fix
[09:47] <pitti> Riddell: baloo-kf5 itself didn't change, so I suppose it's due to a dependency change
[09:51] <pitti> Riddell: ah, nevermind -- it fails on amd64 too (in fact, all platforms)
[09:54] <Riddell> pitti: so probably a problem in the test, I'll look at it after I do some beta candidates testing
[09:56] <Laney> You renamed the library
[10:23] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi folks, how do you feel about a pbuilder merge?
[10:23] <LocutusOfBorg1> http://debomatic-amd64.debian.net/distribution#wily/pbuilder/0.217ubuntu1/buildlog
[10:23]  * LocutusOfBorg1 feels crazy
[10:23] <LocutusOfBorg1> but well, the delta is soo less now
[10:24] <alkisg> didrocks: hi, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/u/ubuntu-mate-meta/ubuntu-mate-meta_1.134/changelog mentions that you added fcitx in ubuntu-mate-core,
[10:24] <alkisg> this now runs on login and breaks at least the greek keyboard layout, could it please be removed again, or at least downgraded to suggests or recommends?
[10:26] <didrocks> alkisg: I did refresh the metapackage on flexiondotorg's request (he added it to the seed)
[10:27] <alkisg> Thank you
[10:27] <didrocks> alkisg: let me point you to the commit, one sec
[10:27] <flexiondotorg> alkisg, Hi
[10:27] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: could you please have a look at that?
[10:27] <alkisg> Hello
[10:28] <flexiondotorg> alkisg, That was added to ensure Japanese users were supported.
[10:28] <flexiondotorg> What is the issue?
[10:28] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: is it necessary to run in all users worldwide?
[10:28] <didrocks> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-mate.wily/revision/18
[10:28] <alkisg> In Greece, the keyboard layout supports accented characters by pressing e.g. this: ";" + "a" = ά
[10:28] <didrocks> alkisg: recommends make sense, but IIRC, mate doesn't install recommends by default
[10:29] <didrocks> happyaron: this may be of interest for you ^ (fcitx issue with greek)
[10:29] <alkisg> Now if fcitx is installed, then this breaks, and produces this instead: ´α
[10:29] <flexiondotorg> Correct, Ubuntu MATE doesn't install recommends. I've manually resolved what is required in the seeds.
[10:29] <alkisg> So basically now with fcitx-bin preinstalled, we can't type in our language
[10:29] <didrocks> alkisg: I guess you have the same issue with the ubuntu desktop image, right?
[10:29] <alkisg> didrocks: ah I haven't tried it, I could check...
[10:29] <flexiondotorg> Sadly, there is still some package that I need to submit patches for.
[10:30] <didrocks> alkisg: do you mind trying? I think we can open a critical bug as it impacts all flavors installing it
[10:30] <flexiondotorg> Without doing that when the Ubuntu MATE seeds are parsed most of Unity get's pulled in.
[10:30] <alkisg> didrocks: I'll do so, but it's lunch time here, so I'll report back later on in the afternoon, in e.g. 5 hours
[10:30] <seb128> happyaron, ^fcitx creating compose issues, is that known?
[10:30] <didrocks> alkisg: that's fine :)
[10:31] <didrocks> seb128: already pinged him above
[10:31] <Laney> alkisg: Do you have /etc/xdg/autostart/fcitx-autostart.desktop?
[10:31] <happyaron> seb128: what compose issue?
[10:31] <seb128> happyaron, read backlog
[10:31] <didrocks> happyaron: please backlog, I pinged you
[10:31] <happyaron> ok
[10:31] <ogra_> alkisg, 5h ? wow, that even exceeds a typical spanish lunch
[10:31] <seb128> didrocks, oh, right, didn't notice that line
[10:31] <alkisg> ogra_: I like to hug a bit after lunch :P :D
[10:32] <ogra_> haha
[10:32] <Laney> TMI
[10:32] <flexiondotorg> seb128, didrocks fcitx-bin is only in the -live seed for ubuntu.
[10:32] <flexiondotorg> Where as I have it in the core package.
[10:32] <alkisg> Laney: in the process of troubleshooting, I removed fcitx-bin, which also removed the mate-core metapackage, I can reinstall it and check
[10:32] <flexiondotorg> So maybe all that is required is for Ubuntu MATE to move fcitx-bin into live.
[10:33] <happyaron> didrocks: well it's now using xkbcommon and should not have the problem of behaving differently to ibus
[10:33] <didrocks> happyaron: seems alkisg triggered some issue, I guess it worths a deep look
[10:33] <happyaron> Laney: that was fixed in debian yesterday, will syncpackage to Ubuntu today
[10:33] <happyaron> didrocks: will do
[10:37] <anestis> Laney: (this is alkisg on a client's pc): yes: fcitx-bin: /etc/xdg/autostart/fcitx-autostart.desktop
[10:37] <anestis> fcitx-bin      1:4.2.9-2
[10:42] <Laney> so I think with the next upload this will be removed and hopefully the bug won't happen for you any more
[10:42] <Laney> try removing it and restarting your session to see if no fcitx resolves the issue
[10:42] <Laney> but from what happyaro_n said it shouldn't happen anyway...
[10:42] <Laney> ho hum
[10:42] <alkisg> Removing fcitx does resolve the issue
[10:42] <alkisg> Thank you, I will test with newer images and report back
[10:43] <alkisg> I'll also test with the unity image, e.g. if we can't type our names in the installer it will be an issue...
[10:43] <alkisg> (i.e. if fcitx-bin is installed in the live image)
[10:44] <happyaron> don't have syncpackage command on this remote console, it's already handled in -3 at Debian
[10:44] <Laney> alkisg: try removing just that desktop file
[10:48] <alkisg> Hmmm I'm missing something... fcitx-bin 1:4.2.9-2 ==> `dpkg -L fcitx-bin | grep autostart` says that /etc/xdg/autostart/fcitx-autostart.desktop is there on one pc, and it isn't there on another...
[10:49] <alkisg> Maybe a package update happened without a version number bump?
[10:49] <Laney> It's deleted in that upload but the code to remove the file from upgrading systems was forgotten
[10:49] <Laney> that's what he handled in -3
[10:49] <alkisg> Gotcha :)
[10:50] <cjwatson> package updates without version number bumps aren't possible anyway
[10:51] <alkisg> Well, dpkg -L produces different results with the same dpkg -l version number
[10:51] <cjwatson> right, but as Laney says that's due to buggy conffile removal, not because there were two different packages with the same version number
[10:51] <alkisg> Ah, dpkg -L lists older conffiles that are not inside the .deb, I didn't know that, sorry
[10:54] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Is that fcitx-bin package sync/update going to happen and the images respun?
[10:55] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Is there a way I can set up a VM that will behave the same as the Launchpad build slaves?  I'm still trying to get to the bottom of this disk image/loop device issue.
[10:56] <Laney> flexiondotorg: It's an upgrade issue only, so not really interesting for images
[10:56] <Laney> indeed systems installed from the beta images won't have the problem
[10:56] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Ah, great.
[10:57]  * alkisg waves, bb with info about the live session etc later on. Thanks all! :)
[10:58] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: so, I'm also still trying to get to the bottom of it (along with everything else), but the VM I set up fails in a different and earlier place ...
[10:58] <cjwatson> + umount chroot/root/config
[10:58] <cjwatson> umount: chroot/root/config: umount failed: No such file or directory
[10:58] <cjwatson> haven't got to the bottom of that yet
[11:05] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: I mean, in theory it's https://dev.launchpad.net/Soyuz/HowToUseSoyuzLocally and you can start with a cloud image, which is what I did
[11:05] <cjwatson> and I grabbed a wily amd64 chroot
[11:05] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: I'm still working on it though
[11:07] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: OK, cool; I've just noticed that there is a 'sync' switch on kpartx (that isn't documented in the manpage: bug 1298292) that waits until the partitions are created, so I'm building a livecd-rootfs that uses that to see if it makes any difference.
[11:08] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: oh, I even read the source and looked for that
[11:08] <Odd_Bloke> We aren't using it when we do stuff on our Jenkins instance in kvm, but maybe it's just a timing problem that this will work around.
[11:08] <cjwatson>         if (!udev_sync)
[11:08] <cjwatson>                 dm_udev_set_sync_support(0);
[11:08] <cjwatson> that could certainly be very relevant
[11:09] <cjwatson> I didn't notice it because the cookie stuff further down looked unconditional
[11:26] <jamespage> cjwatson, are you aware of any issues in debian infrastructure that might be causing uploads done in the last 24 hrs or so in Debian to not be noticed?
[11:26] <jamespage> tracker, rmadison, launchpad are all stale compared to ftp.debian.org
[11:27] <Laney> jamespage: There was a bug in mirrors being updated
[11:27] <Laney> I just asked in #debian-mirrors
[11:28] <Laney> Supposed to be fixed nowish
[11:28] <jamespage> ack
[12:04] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: sorry for the build delay, it's almost there now - there's an outage somewhere in the scalingstack infrastructure, reported
[12:05] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: No worries. :)
[14:53] <pitti> apw, infinity, Laney: FYI, first stabs at live test logtail: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.html
[14:53] <pitti> page updates every 10 s (not by itself yet)
[14:53] <alkisg> didrocks, flexiondotorg, happyaron, Laney, I tested with the today's ubuntu wily unity i386 daily build, and while fcitx-bin was there in the live session, the autostart file wasn't there, so I didn't have a problem with that and the greek keyboard layout. So the problem I reported has already been tackled, thank you very much.
[14:53] <alkisg> The problem with unity-settings-daemon breaking the keyboard layout is still there, but that has been the case since 12.04, even with the dozens of bug reports filed for that, so I don't think that will be as easily fixed... let's hope it'll be fixed for 16.04. :)
[14:53] <pitti> apw, infinity, Laney: notice the amazing design, I spent two days on this!
[14:54]  * pitti adds a refresh header
[14:54] <Laney> pitti: handy
[14:54] <Laney> Do you store the full log as you go or just the tail?
[14:55] <pitti> Laney: just the tail
[14:55]  * Laney nod
[14:55] <pitti> Laney: right now the last 1 kB
[14:55] <pitti> I should probably bump that a bit
[14:56] <Laney> I was thinking of the way jenkins does it
[14:56] <pitti> Laney: well, I'd like to cap it a bit -- unlimited seems gross, as logs can sometimes get GBs
[14:56] <Laney> but anyway, this is cool - thanks
[14:56] <pitti> maybe 10 kB is right
[14:56] <pitti> Laney: there is lots missing there -- log size, design, auto-refresh, proper configuration, etc.
[14:57] <pitti> it's mostly just a prototype
[14:57] <apw> pitti, interesting
[14:57] <Laney> integration with the package page I suppose
[14:57] <pitti> libpng finished, I'll restart some new ones
[14:57] <pitti> Laney: that too
[15:00]  * pitti enables that for arm/ppc too
[15:00] <seb128> pitti, do you know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/1441008 is an issue with the avahi systemd unit or a systemd issue?
[15:04] <pitti> seb128: (meeting, bbl)
[15:04] <seb128> pitti, no hurry, enjoy!
[15:23] <pitti> seb128: replied to the bug
[15:24] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[17:28] <sil2100> pitti: argh, almost forgot to poke you - the langpacks look fine :)
[17:29] <sil2100> pitti: you can enable the weekly runs of the job
[20:24] <Unit193> infinity: I presume you didn't see my openbox debdiff? ;P


[02:19] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:55] <guiverc> `sudo apt update` and seeing "groovy-security" look weird
[05:56] <daftykins> xD
[05:56] <daftykins> so missed a trick not going with gyrating giraffe there
[06:06] <guiverc> alas no, nor any of the other 'fine' alternatives I saw offered/suggested/..
[06:06] <daftykins> :)
[06:07] <ducasse> good morning
[08:41] <marcoagpinto> Hey
[22:16] <Bashing-om> UWN628 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue628 . :D
[23:44] <daftykins> Eickmeyer: i see ubuntustudio.org has a TLS cert but isn't configured to redirect to https by default, not exactly critical but possibly a nice-to-have for the future?


[12:55] <codepoet> ok
[12:55] <codepoet> anybody here first?
[02:23] <zul> hey
[02:27] <DevinT> woah
[02:27] <DevinT> somebody's here
[02:27] <DevinT> ok
[02:27] <DevinT> well
[02:28] <DevinT> i know you and 3 other people are on the kernel team from launchpad, correct?
[02:35] <zul> yeah
[02:36] <DevinT> well, are you familiar with the acx100 driver?
[02:36] <zul> not really..
[02:37] <zul> whats the problem
[02:38] <DevinT> well
[02:38] <DevinT> i was wondering how i could become some sort of psuedo module maintainer for that
[02:39] <DevinT> i'm interested in helping out with the ubuntu kernel, and i was thinking that would be a great place to start, especially as it needs a lot of work
[02:43] <zul> DevinT: you might want to talk to BenC
[02:43] <DevinT> ok
[02:44] <zul> but all you really do is pull the git tree, make patches and push
[02:44] <BenC> yeah, read the wiki in the channel topic
[02:50] <DevinT> alright
[02:51] <makx> BenC: davej had some comments about enabled lapic.
[02:51] <makx> maybe you imported that setting from Debian as we have this also set.
[02:51] <makx> any comment on the matter.
[02:51] <makx> ?
[02:53] <makx> (i was quite happy for his acpi cut off pointer, did turn that off too in current tree, all the old boxes i've seen work with acpi=force)
[02:54] <DevinT> how lame haha
[02:55] <mjg59> makx: Enabled lapic ought to work fine now
[02:55] <DevinT> why 0.99.9abcdefg, just go to 1.0 already
[02:55] <DevinT> silly Linus
[02:55] <makx> mjg99: vanilla?
[02:55] <mjg59> makx: As far as I know, yes
[02:55] <mjg59> What's the issue?
[02:57] <makx> well i need to find time and see if some boot failures are corelated too UP_APIC
[02:57] <makx> mjg59: did you read latest davej blog?
[02:59] <makx> (not that i want to throw any flames, more interested in facts :)
[03:00] <mjg59> makx: Enabling local apic in the kernel used to enable it on boot regardless of what the BIOS did
[03:00] <mjg59> That changed in 2.6.10 or so - now the kernel only enables it if the BIOS has already enabled it
[03:00] <mjg59> That seemed to fix all the problems we saw
[03:00] <mjg59> Let me see if I can track down when that changed
[03:00] <makx> hmm definitely before git time. :)
[03:01] <BenC> makx: Haven't looked into it
[03:01] <zul> BenC: its just a rant
[03:01] <makx> zul: naah it had also nice info for me.:)
[03:03] <BenC> I need to setup a test partition on my g5
[03:10] <mjg59> makx: We've had no reported problems with enabling UP APIC
[03:50] <zul> makx: heh...im going to start a blog to respond
[03:51] <makx> zul: ok cool, but be nice ;)
[04:11] <fabbione>   YES! I know there are no i386 SMP packages. The 686 and k7 packages are
[04:11] <fabbione>      SMP enabled. In fact, they are also UP enabled "WHAT!?!? HUH!?!". Yes, SMP
[04:11] <fabbione>      on i386 now has the added benefit of killing lock ops dynamically on boot.
[04:11] <fabbione>      This is still in testing phase. I also need to fix a few things to get it
[04:11] <fabbione>      working for modules.
[04:11] <mjg59> EAT YOUR CRACK
[04:15] <fabbione> mjg59: i assume that's too much even for you
[04:15] <mjg59> Haha
[04:15] <mjg59> Linus has actually been talking about it - he seems to think it's kind of cool
[04:17] <fabbione> that patch is old as helll
[04:17] <fabbione> i think Ben did port it from 2.4 or something
[04:18] <fabbione> so i assume Linus is looking into our tree
[04:24] <dilinger> fabbione: hope there's a provides for the smp flavours :)
[04:25] <dilinger> or dummy packages or something
[04:25] <fabbione> dilinger: there is no need to do that in the kernel package
[04:25] <fabbione> we can handle that in linux-meta
[04:25] <dilinger> no?linux-image-686-smp
[04:26] <dilinger> that's what i've got installed; that will need to be sure to pick up -686 instead
[04:26] <fabbione> yeah
[04:26] <fabbione> linux-image-686-smp comes from linux-meta
[04:26] <fabbione> not from linux-source
[04:26] <dilinger> ok
[04:26] <fabbione> that one will pick up the right kernel
[06:05] <BenC> Linux colorless 2.6.15-2-powerpc #4 Mon Nov 14 10:58:05 EST 2005 ppc GNU/Linux
[06:06] <BenC> g4 booted flawlessly with new kernel
[06:07] <fabbione> BenC: cool
[06:07] <fabbione> so it did actually build
[06:07] <fabbione> or is it with a local version of kernel-package
[06:07] <fabbione> ?
[06:08] <fabbione> because i need a d-i with .15 to be able to install my powerbook
[06:08] <BenC> local mods to k-p
[06:08] <fabbione> or backport some git stuff to .12
[06:08] <fabbione> ok
[06:08] <BenC> we have to use ARCH=powerpc for ppc32
[06:09] <BenC> 15-1 wont work, I had to make a few fixes to .config for ppc32
[06:09] <fabbione> BenC: ok
[06:10] <fabbione> i need to ask benh if the ID changes have made linus tree
[06:10] <BenC> it's all in git if you want to do a build though
[06:10] <BenC> and I can dpkg-repack my kernel-package
[06:10] <BenC> is your powerbook G5?
[06:10] <fabbione> the problem is that to build d-i you need stuff in the archive, otherwise it's a bunch of hacks
[06:10] <fabbione> nope.. g4
[06:11] <fabbione> there are no powerbook g5 yet
[06:11] <fabbione> i am off for dinner
[06:11] <fabbione> bbl
[06:26] <BenC> later
[06:28] <dilinger> hm
[06:29] <dilinger> http://www.livejournal.com/users/kernelslacker/30664.html
[06:31] <zul_> dilinger: yeah saw it this morning
[06:39] <BenC> people getting mad at us is probably a good thing in that sense :)
[06:39] <BenC> we do have about half a dozen patches that need to be pushed upstream though
[06:42] <dilinger> yea
[06:42] <BenC> good thing is that a whole lot of patches got rm'd with 2.6.15
[06:42] <dilinger> now that i'm not doing debian kernel stuff anymore, i'm thinking i should start going through vendor kernels and pushing stuff upstream (maybe starting another kernel tree w/ those fixes)
[06:42] <BenC> mostly acpi of course
[06:43] <BenC> they are easy to find in our git tree
[06:43] <dilinger> yep
[06:43] <BenC> search git-log for "UpstreamStatus: Unsubmitted"
[06:56] <fabbione> clearly who did that review isn't aware that 90% of the patches we pull are from other upstreams
[06:56] <fabbione> specially the ACPI ones
[06:56] <fabbione> BenC: btw.. speaking of patches.. the megaraid split is my work
[06:57] <fabbione> something i did almost for fun
[06:57] <BenC> ah, so you lay claim to that code? :)
[06:57] <fabbione> code... well.. it's a patch...
[06:57] <fabbione> it does nothing fancy :)
[06:57] <BenC> is it needed?
[06:57] <fabbione> well yes
[06:58] <fabbione> some controllers are supported only by the old driver
[06:58] <fabbione> and viceversa
[06:58] <fabbione> so the patch does split per PCI ID's
[06:58] <fabbione> to support the largest amount of cards
[06:58] <fabbione> with no overlap between the two
[06:58] <fabbione> so they should be even able to load in parallel
[06:58] <BenC> to make it correct, I should probably make it so that it enables/disables the extra PCI id's depending on whether the new module is compiled
[06:59] <fabbione> hmmm that's an option
[07:01] <BenC> this new kernel doesn't seem as troublesome as I was expecting, but I don't have the varied hardware like our users do
[07:01] <BenC> atleast I can say "works for me" though :)
[07:01] <fabbione> BenC: i will be able to start testing on 8 boxes tomorrow
[07:01] <fabbione> modulo my fever going away
[07:01] <BenC> you should get some rest dude
[07:02] <fabbione> i have been in bed all day
[07:02] <fabbione> just too restless to stay there longer
[07:02] <fabbione> i needed a break :)
[07:04] <BenC> yeah, I can't just lay around all day either
[07:05] <BenC> need to restart X
[07:53] <zul_> hey...we both worked on that patch fabbione
[07:56] <fabbione> zul_: we did???
[07:56] <fabbione> probably
[07:58] <zul_> yeah..
[07:58] <zul_> the megaraid one if you are talking about
[07:58] <fabbione> yeah that one
[07:58] <zul_> i started it, you finished it :)
[07:59] <fabbione> right
[08:01] <fabbione> BenC: ^^^now you can blame zul for that patch :)
[08:03] <zul_> damn it
[08:04] <zul_> is this because of davej's blog?
[08:05] <fabbione> no.. you want to share credits and it's of course fine by me.. you also share the blames :P
[08:06] <zul_> nah i dont want blame i just want a share of the credit..you can have all of the blame ;)
[08:06] <fabbione> ehhe
[08:06] <fabbione> anyway i am out of here
[08:06] <fabbione> time to get more rest
[08:07] <zul_> toodles


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