[17:30] <cupofbrew> it's in the ubuntu repository right?
[17:30] <MonkeyDust> !find virtualbox
[17:30] <OerHeks> virtualbox is a meta package
[17:30] <cupofbrew> What does that mean
[17:30] <ni291187> how can I install ubuntu on my mac
[17:30] <cupofbrew> trying to install 64 bit virtual box via the terminal
[17:31] <OerHeks> !metapackage
[17:31] <cupofbrew> i'm using 16.04
[17:31] <MonkeyDust> !mac | ni291187
[17:31] <nacc> cupofbrew: the answer is, though, the package name is (afaict), virtualbox
[17:31] <OerHeks> so no need for version numbers and such
[17:31] <nacc> cupofbrew: you will need to have multiverse enabled
[17:31] <cupofbrew> so sudo apt-get install virtualbox should do it?
[17:31] <nacc> cupofbrew: yes
[17:31] <cupofbrew> thanks
[17:32] <ni291187> I tried to install once but osx has gone and I couldn't use my keyboard
[17:35] <ducasse> ni291187: you might have better luck by simply googling "ubuntu install" and your specific mac model, the mac wiki pages are pretty old
[17:39] <monsterjamp> How do I get the latest opensource AMD GPU drivers?
[17:40] <zim> Hi all. Quick one. Ubuntu desktop 16.04 On command line when I ssh-add it no longer defaults to identity I have to ssh-add ~/.ssh/identity why?
[17:41] <Phryq> amnix yes
[17:41] <ducasse> zim: iirc, ssh-add looks for keys named id_<algorithm>, such as id_rsa by default
[17:41] <OerHeks> monsterjamp, i do not recommend the *beta* drivers from the AMD site. use the ones provided
[17:43] <monsterjamp> Nvm, I misread glxinfo. I thought the current drivers installed only supported OpenGL 3.0 but it supports OpenGL 4.1
[17:43] <OerHeks> monsterjamp, key is: 16.04 is LTS, so only stable packages are provided, as of 16.10 development takes a spin
[17:43] <Phryq> so I typed sudo apt install lxc; that's right?
[17:45] <ducasse> Phryq: yes
[17:49] <Guest25525> So, Most of the time I can't set my bluetooth speaker to A2DP sink, which is the only audio option that doesn't sound like garbage
[17:49] <Guest25525> Sometimes, if I spam the button long enough it lets me
[17:50] <Guest25525> Any advice on how to get this working without frustration?
[17:50] <yuken> Well, apparently I can't create any partitions under Kubuntu live CD... Windows 10, wat'r u doin
[17:51] <Phryq> so I did an 'apt get update', because there was an install error. But the update had a bunch of "failed to fetch" errors
[17:52] <nacc> Phryq: is there a reason you're specifically installing lxc (rather than lxd)?
[17:52] <nacc> Phryq: what was the 'install error'?
[17:52] <nacc> Phryq: (pastebin)
[17:53] <Phryq> oh, maybe I want lxd
[17:53] <ulyzze> How can I connect one PC to another using a LAN cable to provide it with Internet access just as a router would?
[17:53] <nacc> Phryq: you probably want lxd (which will pull in lxc2)
[17:53] <Phryq> the thing that virtualized other things really well
[17:53] <OerHeks> !ics
[17:53] <Phryq> so now I think I should uninstall lxc, yes?
[17:53] <Guest25525> Where can I go to ask about bluetooth speaker problems?  I keep getting nothing here
[17:53] <nacc> Phryq: neither lxc nor lxd virtualize
[17:53] <nacc> Phryq: they are container solutions
[17:54] <Phryq> like KVM?
[17:54] <nacc> Phryq: kvm is a virtualization technology/solution, yes
[17:54] <nacc> Phryq: lxc and lxd are not like kvm
[17:54] <Phryq> how are they different?
[17:54] <Phryq> Can I run another linux OS inside the container?
[17:55] <nacc> Phryq: lxc and lxd are container solutions
[17:55] <nacc> Phryq: depends on what you mean
[17:55] <nacc> Phryq: you can run in another OS' environment, but a container shares the host's kernel
[17:55] <nacc> Phryq: so it's not like you're actually running the other OS
[17:56] <Phryq> ok, so in the case I'm running an OS like Tails, which is deisgned for privacy. Will I somehow lose privacy by using a container rather than a VM?
[17:56] <szb> Guest25525, you could probably also ask in channels like #ubuntu-mate, #lubuntu and so on... That's probably something not specific to Unity, more Ubuntu in general, I guess. Unfortunately I have no idea how to help, sorry!
[17:57] <goju050207> Hey there
[17:57] <szb> Phryq, just to let you know: the Tails developers specifically state that running Tails in any sort of VM will basically make the OS's purpose useless.
[17:58] <ulyzze> How can I connect one PC to another using a LAN cable to provide it with Internet access just as a router would?
[17:58] <Guest25525> szb, Ok I'll try there
[17:58] <coovi> Hi
[17:58] <nacc> Phryq: containers are very different than VMs, I think that's something rather basic you should understand first
[17:58] <goju050207>  I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS but I am unable to visit my  bank website
[17:58] <ulyzze> goju050207: try another browesr?
[17:59] <mjayk> ulyzze, try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing sounds like what you want
[17:59] <goju050207> I have tries Chromium, Google Chrome
[18:00] <szb> goju050207, do you have any additional add-ons installed? Is there an error message when visiting the website?
[18:00] <ulyzze> Try to enable JS
[18:00] <goju050207> Java Script ?
[18:01] <ulyzze> yes
[18:01] <zim> ducasse: ty will try. identity has worked since I started using linux in 2000
[18:01] <goju050207> How ?
[18:01] <goju050207> Strangely TOR browser can visit my site
[18:01] <ulyzze> goju050207: there are many things that could be wrong. Do you get any error messages when you're trying  to?
[18:01] <goju050207> none
[18:01] <ulyzze> goju050207: 404?
[18:02] <Laurenceb> hi
[18:02] <Laurenceb> can anyone help me with bluetooth?
[18:02] <ulyzze> mjayk: I don't want to set up a network, I want to make Ubuntu OS provide connection like a gateway, same as router
[18:02] <ducasse> zim: you could try specifying it in a 'Host *' section in ~/.ssh/config
[18:02] <ducasse> ulyzze: that _is_ a network...
[18:03] <goju050207> I do not get any error message. After i click on the netbanking button Login page does not appear
[18:03] <szb> goju050207, can you open Firefox and type 'about:support' in your adress bar?
[18:03] <ulyzze> Nevermind, looks too complicated...
[18:03] <ulyzze> goju050207: it's possible the bank blacklists your ip. Can you change IP?
[18:04] <stan_man_can_> hey all. just installed ubuntu a couple days ago, i have sda and sdb, sda is a 120GB SSD I'm using for / and sdb is a 240GB ssd i'm using for /home. I have a 2TB mechanical drive formatted as EXT4 that i'm u sing for storage. I plugged it in and it's mounted at /media/user/storage -- is this normal? or if it's a drive that's always in there should it be somewhere else?
[18:04] <ducasse> goju050207: is it possible your bank uses java?
[18:04] <stan_man_can_> only asking because i know /mexia/{user}/ is also where usb drives and stuff get mounted, so not sure if it's meant for more of a temporary location or what
[18:04] <goju050207> yes now what
[18:04] <szb> goju050207, at the bottom there should be an item with "Javascript" -- does it say "true" or "false" ?
[18:05] <goju050207> why would it blacklist my ip ?
[18:05] <ducasse> !who | goju050207
[18:05] <ulyzze> goju050207: by mistake maybe
[18:06] <goju050207> that's ridiculous
[18:06] <ulyzze> goju050207: try using another browser, in another OS. You can use a live USB.
[18:07] <ulyzze> Another method would be to change the user agent using an add on
[18:07] <tdannecy> stan_man_can_: As far as I know, it mounted it in the correct location. It might also be in /mnt/somethingsomethingsomething too.
[18:07] <goju050207> szb: I have done as you told me , now what
[18:07] <szb> goju050207, scroll down, there should be "Javascript" listed somewhere near the bottom - does it say "true"?
[18:07] <stan_man_can_> tdannecy: that's fine i just wanted to make sure that /media isn't meant for temporary locations or something funny
[18:08] <stan_man_can_> tdannecy: thanks!!!
[18:08] <stan_man_can_> tdannecy!!
[18:08] <tdannecy> stan_man_can_: Not that I know of!
[18:08] <stan_man_can_> tdannecy++
[18:08] <stan_man_can_> dang no bot, okay well thanks anyways, cy 8a
[18:09] <goju050207> sbz: Java Script
[18:09] <Guest25525> stan_man_can_, I'm new too but I'm pretty sure you can choose to mount it somewhere else if you want also, like in a folder in home called sdc or something
[18:09] <goju050207> sbz: Incremental GC: true
[18:11] <szb> goju050207, okay, so Javascript is enabled. Does your banking website use Flash perhaps?? (I hope not!) Type 'about:plugins' in the adress bar. Is Flash listed there? It should also say 'enabled'!
[18:12] <OerHeks> with chrome he should be fine .. maybe some adblocker plugin?
[18:13] <goju050207> sbz: Shockwave Flash: enabled
[18:13] <Phryq> so should I uninstall lxc?
[18:13] <szb> OerHeks, he said he tried Chrome and Chromium and it didn't work either...
[18:13] <Phryq> I'm afraid to break something using the command
[18:13] <flax> Is gtx 1080 the fastest gpu you can use on linux?
[18:13] <ducasse> goju050207: again; is it possible your bank uses java?
[18:13] <stan_man_can> Anyone use Plex Media Server? The plex support docs say to download the .deb and run dpkg to install it, but if you google "ubuntu plex" they have repo's to do it. Not sure which is best...
[18:14] <OerHeks> stan_man_can, some .deb packages on websites contain the sources list & key, like chrome
[18:15] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, I'm not 100% sure if that's good or bad? Does that mean I should install the .deb>
[18:16] <Pantsu> stan_man_can: use your distro repo
[18:16] <Pantsu> stan_man_can: always
[18:16] <Pantsu> if you want a more up to date version then roll your own .deb
[18:16] <stan_man_can> Pantsu, I don't see it if I do sudo apt search plex
[18:17] <flax> is nvidia the best on linux
[18:17] <Pantsu> don't use upstream provided .deb
[18:17] <OerHeks> stan_man_can, if you refer to the plex site, they offer the mediaserver as package, not as repository https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/200288586-Installation
[18:17] <Guest25525> stan_man_can, small note, you don't need sudo for that
[18:17] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, Yeah I know they offer it as a package, but Pantsu just told me not to use it?
[18:18] <BluesKaj> flax, usually fewer prblems with nvidia in my experience
[18:18] <stan_man_can> Guest25525, ah thanks :)
[18:18] <OerHeks> i wouldn;t  either, but that was not the question
[18:18] <flax> amd driver does not seem to use most of the vram on my video card
[18:18] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, well it kinda sorta was? the original question was
[18:19] <stan_man_can> that they offer a .deb but if you google it some people say use this repo, not sure which to do
[18:19] <stan_man_can> http://www.htpcguides.com/install-plex-media-server-ubuntu-14-04/
[18:19] <OerHeks> as plex is not in our repos, you would need to add a PPA like https://launchpad.net/~plexapp/+archive/ubuntu/plexht
[18:19] <BluesKaj> flax, do you vdpau installed?
[18:19] <BluesKaj> have
[18:19] <Pantsu> stan_man_can: don't read outdated guides btw
[18:19] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, ah there we go, that's close along the lines of what I was hoping for
[18:20] <OerHeks> stan_man_can, nice tutor, but you rely on their repo and testing..
[18:20] <Pantsu> hmm plex isn't free software?
[18:20] <stan_man_can> Pantsu, sorry linked to the wrong one, https://www.htpcguides.com/install-plex-media-server-ubuntu-16-x-and-later/
[18:20] <stan_man_can> Pantsu, the software is free yes
[18:20] <Pantsu> free as in freedom, not free beer
[18:20] <Pantsu> as in you can't get the source
[18:20] <szb> stan_man_can, OerHeks link to the PPA might be your way to go IMHO, since you'll find everything packaged specifically for 16.04 (i assume that's what you're using) and in case there's any updates you'll receive those as well!
[18:20] <stan_man_can> Pantsu, ah
[18:21] <stan_man_can> szb, yeah that sounds like the best route
[18:21] <ducasse> stan_man_can: you might also want to check out emby, which is free software
[18:21] <Pantsu> that makes it a giant pain
[18:21] <OerHeks> szb +1 updates
[18:21] <Guest25525> Pantsu, i don't get that expression, you can do whatever you want with beer
[18:22] <BluesKaj> Guest25525, beer normally costs money
[18:22] <stan_man_can> ducasse, thanks I'll take a look. I'll most likely end up sticking with plex, we have everyone in our house setup on it (phones, xbox's, all that jazz) but always interested in checking out new software
[18:22] <Pantsu> Guest25525: you can't get the recepi
[18:22] <Pantsu> usually
[18:23] <Guest25525> Pantsu, but why would you want it? you can piss in the beer, drink the beer throw the beer at somebody, its ownership has completely transfered to you
[18:23] <Pantsu> Guest25525: you can't make more because you have no idea how it was made
[18:24] <stan_man_can> question while i'm here, whats the difference between apt and apt-get ?
[18:24] <Pantsu> and your ability to modify it is somewhat limited
[18:24] <Guest25525> Pantsu, ah, that makes at least some sense.  Free speach is limited too though so I still don't like the expression
[18:24] <stan_man_can> or more so, which one should I use? last time I used ubuntu I was using "aptitude"
[18:25] <BluesKaj> apt is a wrapper for apt-get , but all package managers use the dpkg  system
[18:25] <bipul> I found a very strange, i am the owner of a directory B/ i.e dr-xrw-r-x+ 2 bipul bipul 4096 Aug 24 23:43 B/ , and i would like to change it's File owner and Group owner field , from chmod i.e chmod student:controller B/
[18:25] <Melio> openjdk isnt in the ubuntu software repo
[18:25] <szb> stan_man_can, apt-get and apt are basically the same, with apt being the younger option (e.g. showing a fancy progress bar ^-^) but as far as i now apt's just a wrapper and they're basically identical.
[18:25] <bipul> It says chown: changing ownership of 'B/': Operation not permitted
[18:25] <stan_man_can> szb, awesome thanks
[18:25] <flax> use chmod
[18:25] <Pantsu> Melio: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openjdk
[18:25] <Melio> do i need to enable the repo just for openjdk? I would assume it's already in development sources
[18:25] <Pantsu> Melio: the webpage disagree with you
[18:26] <flax> 777
[18:26] <ducasse> bipul: try chown
[18:26] <Melio> why doesnt it come up when i use graphical gui searching
[18:26] <bipul> ducasse, chown: changing ownership of 'B/': Operation not permitted
[18:26] <szb> Melio, are you using the Software Center?
[18:26] <Melio> es. "ubuntu software"
[18:26] <bipul> sorry it chown not chmod*
[18:27] <Melio> i dono why t's called that it's pretty generic sounding
[18:27] <ducasse> bipul: then you would need to do that as root, i expect
[18:27] <bipul> ducasse, Why? , when i am the owner of the file?
[18:27] <Melio> i can do a search at the command line. but you would think it would be there on defualt install without adding source pointers
[18:27] <Pantsu> bipul: findmnt -T path/to/B
[18:28] <ducasse> bipul: but you're not the new owner
[18:28] <szb> Melio, yeah, Ubuntu Software has some serious bugs that need to be worked out... Not showing all available items in the repos is one of them, I'm afraid. I just use Synaptic!
[18:28] <nacc> bipul: read `man 2 chown`
[18:28] <nacc> bipul: only CAP_CHOWN processes can change the owner of a file
[18:29] <Melio> szb. there may not b a 16.04.x version
[18:29] <bipul> ducasse, I have created the file B , with bipul account.
[18:29] <Melio> which is why it doesnt show
[18:29] <nacc> bipul: owner of a file can change the group to any group they are a member of (but needs CAP_CHOWN to change to groups they are not member of)
[18:29] <bipul> Pantsu, /      /dev/sda1 ext4   rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered
[18:29] <nacc> Melio: if a package is in 16.04, it's probably in 16.04.x; what package are you looking for?
[18:30] <Melio> openjdk
[18:30] <szb> Melio, there definitely is one! They're all showing up when I search for 'openjdk' in Synaptic!
[18:30] <Melio> I bet if i fire up apt-get install openjdk it'll spot on get it
[18:30] <bipul> Yes, bipul is the member of controller group.
[18:30] <nacc> bipul: then you could change just the group
[18:30] <Melio> i'm going to finish letting my printer driver install
[18:30] <nacc> Melio: there is no 'openjdk' package anywhere
[18:31] <nacc> Melio: afaict, there is, e.g. openjdk-8 (srcpkg), openjdk-8-jre, etc
[18:31] <szb> Melio, I'm seeing "openjdk-8-jdk" and "openjdk-9-jdk"
[18:31] <nacc> Melio: as szb said, don't use "Ubuntu Software" for searching :)
[18:32] <tmi1> Hey, does anyone have any experience with grub randomly crashing during the selection menu? Often if I try to choose the third item (windows) grub will just crash when I've pressed down just once
[18:32] <bipul> nacc, http://paste.ubuntu.net/23085888/
[18:32] <_0xbadc0de> guys
[18:32] <_0xbadc0de> how can I unninstall mysql5
[18:33] <jatt> apt remove mysql5
[18:33] <stan_man_can> Ah the plex version on that app is super old
[18:34] <stan_man_can> well, 7 months,  but they've had a ton of updates in the meantime
[18:34] <Melio> i wonder what default-jre will do vrs the entire openjdk 8 install
[18:34] <nacc> _0xbadc0de: jatt: mysql5 is not a package name
[18:34] <nacc> _0xbadc0de: do you mean 'mysql-server' ?
[18:34] <jatt> apt remove <package>
[18:35] <nacc> bipul: have you logged out/in since you added bipul to controller?
[18:36] <nacc> bipul: also your directory has an acl on it, it seems
[18:36] <nacc> bipul: what does `getfacl B` report?
[18:36] <bipul> nacc, Do you have any answer?
[18:36] <robinson> hello world
[18:37] <robinson> hellow Grorco
[18:37] <ubuntuNewUser> hello
[18:37] <lewltrowl> Is unity default in 16.04 LTS?
[18:37] <robinson> yes it is
[18:38] <szb> lewltrowl, yes, Unity 7
[18:38] <lewltrowl> robinson: Allright, maybe a dumb question but how do i change DM when i login?
[18:38] <szb> tmi1, you could try BootRepair (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair#Getting_Boot-Repair), i always found it to be an easy and reliable fix for everything GRUB-related!
[18:39] <robinson> lewltrowl: haveyou installed an alternative desktop environment?
[18:39] <bipul> nacc, Does chown has has anythings to do with ACL ? anyway let me give you the details
[18:39] <nacc> bipul: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23085908/
[18:39] <lewltrowl> I want to use gnome :)
[18:40] <szb> lewltrowl, if you have XFCE installed, as an example, log out and next to your name on the login-screen there should be a little gear icon. Click it and it should let you chose a different desktop.
[18:40] <nacc> bipul: and my user is a member of that group
[18:40] <morbidsteve> hi
[18:40] <robinson> lweltrowl: first go to the terminal and type : sudo apt-get install gnome
[18:40] <szb> lewltrowl, as robinson pointed out, this only works if you already have another DE installed!
[18:40] <ubuntuNewUser> im running Ubuntu off a flashdrive just to try and see if i like it...I F'ing LOVE it. now i want to intall it on my hard drive but i want to create a separe partition for each OS. Which is the best software and how do i get it? remember i just started using linux 2 days ago...Damn "Mr.Robot"..any help?
[18:41] <mjayk> ubuntuNewUser, try gparted, thats what I use for that task anyway
[18:41] <morbidsteve> ubuntuNewUser, when you go to install through the USB live image, it will ask you about partitioning and do it for you
[18:41] <tmi1> szb, I'm just a bit worried that I would end up destroying something as all grub options work ... it's just the random hangs when trying to select something
[18:41] <bipul> http://paste.ubuntu.net/23085912/
[18:41] <szb> lewltrowl, also note that installing a different DE next to an existing one might pull in lots and lots of libraries and dependencies that can conflict with each other (although Unity and Gnome should go quite well with each other)
[18:42] <robinson> lweltrowl: then restart your machine . You should be able to choose hnome
[18:42] <bipul> Let me try with new directory.
[18:42] <robinson> lweltrowl: sorry gnome.
[18:42] <ubuntuNewUser> Morbidsteve mjayk, thankx guys
[18:42] <szb> tmi1, i know that feel, bro! ^-^ Have you recently installed any different hardware and/or drivers?
[18:43] <daku_> Alright, before I throw my computer out the window, is this a proper place to get help connecting a git repository to VS: Code on Ubuntu?
[18:43] <jatt> there is #git
[18:43] <daku_> Ah, thanks jatt, away I go
[18:44] <szb> tmi1, you could try running a simple "sudo update-grub" from the command line. This doesn't touch anything vital, but if there was a configuration changed somewhere along the line it might just help! (Just a wild guess as well since those crashes/hangs could be caused by a number of things)
[18:44] <tmi1> szb, indeed I have. A new GPU. But would grub even know anything about my GPU?
[18:44] <bipul> nacc, Epic Fail http://paste.ubuntu.net/23085913/
[18:45] <nacc> bipul: i already told you you can't change ownership (user) w/o sudo.
[18:45] <nacc> bipul: read `man 2 sudo` and the part i quoted earlier.
[18:45] <nacc> bipul: nothing epic about what you pasted.
[18:45] <szb> tmi1, I'm not really familiar with Grub, so I can't answer that. But take a look here: https://superuser.com/questions/273621/grub-freezes-on-the-selection-menu-after-video-card-swap
[18:45] <dharambe> HI IS THIS THE PLACE FOR UBUNTU HELP
[18:45] <tomreyn> yes, not the pace for caps lock, though
[18:45] <Smoht> YES SIR HOW CAN I HELP
[18:45] <tomreyn> *place
[18:46] <jatt> !caps
[18:46] <dharambe> Sorry. I was trying to set a new background photo with Ubtu 9.4
[18:46] <dharambe> and I can't get it to work
[18:46] <bipul> nacc, ok. So i may change the group ownership ?
[18:46] <szb> tmi1, mind you that thread is 5 years old! And the answer its linking to is even older... But it just shows that somehow hardware and Grub seem to be connected! :3
[18:47] <tmi1> ah, so at least it doesnt seem like a unique problem then :)
[18:47] <ducasse> dharambe: 9.04? it's been eol for years.
[18:47] <nacc> bipul: it seems like you should be able to, if you are a member of the target group
[18:48] <bipul> bipul has controller group, and he wanted to assign it, to a directory A
[18:48] <nacc> bipul: yes, what is your point?
[18:49] <nacc> bipul: you haven't shown that failing yet, without acls in play
[18:49] <nacc> bipul: and i showed you it working locally
[18:49] <bipul> And he fails to do so
[18:49] <bipul> bipul@bipul:~$ chgrp controller A/
[18:49] <bipul> chgrp: changing group of 'A/': Operation not permitted
[18:49] <nacc> bipul: please use pastebin
[18:49] <nacc> bipul: can you do exactly as I did in my paste? (subsituting controller for libvirtd if you want)
[18:50] <redrighthand> In 16.04, how do I name the virtual desktops, I have a 4x4 grid.
[18:50] <redrighthand> But only want to name a few of them
[18:50] <jatt> double click on the workspace name
[18:51] <redrighthand> where is that?
[18:52] <redrighthand> I hotkey around, and the launcher icon just brings up the grid with no names
[18:53] <tmi1> well, I think I'll head off to bed and try looking for the solution again tomorrow. Thanks for your ideas, szb
[18:54] <szb> redrighthand, if you're using Unity I'm tempted to think that this option doesn't exist there...
[18:54] <szb> tmi1, you're welcome! good look!!
[18:55] <tuxiano> Hi I installed darktable using snappy. Now I have issues opening files stored outside of my home directory (on a nfs drive). Is it somehow possible to extend the permissions of a snap app so that it can open such files.
[18:56] <bipul> nacc, Check this http://paste.ubuntu.net/23085951/
[18:56] <bipul> I hope something is wrong with my file system type
[18:57] <tuxiano> Same problem with vlc, too.
[18:57] <bipul> I found strange behavior i found.
[18:57] <bipul> I found strange behavior*
[19:00] <ducasse> tuxiano: try #snappy
[19:00] <stan_man_can> Is there any way to tweak what happens when you make a window full screen? I'm not a fan of having to hover over the top for the menu, also not a fan of the menu options extending past the quick menu bar...now that I think of it, would also be nice of the quick menu bar auto-hid
[19:01] <bipul> ducasse, You said something new owner?
[19:01] <tuxiano> ducasse: thx
[19:02] <szb> stan_man_can, you can install the 'unity-tweak-tool' for options like that!
[19:02] <ducasse> bipul: nacc already explained this for you
[19:02] <stan_man_can> szb, awesome thanks again
[19:03] <szb> stan_man_can, oh but concerning the menus, there's also an option in the regular settings under 'Appearance > Behavior'
[19:03] <szb> stan_man_can, you can set them to 'always show' there!
[19:03] <stan_man_can> szb, thank youuu
[19:04] <szb> stan_man_can, any time! :)
[19:05] <ubuntuNewUser> can i clone a disk using gparted?
[19:06] <bekks> ubuntuNewUser: I'd use clonezilla for cloning a disk.
[19:06] <bipul> gparted?
[19:06] <ubuntuNewUser> @bekks, thaks for the input
[19:07] <szb> ubuntuNewUser, gparted is able to clone single partitions, if I'm not mistaken, but not entire disks! Here's a quick tutorial on Clonezilla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzxL95GmmYk
[19:07] <bipul> nacc, ?
[19:07] <stan_man_can> Anyone have issues with the "AUto-hide" of the launcher? just turned that feature on and sometimes when i hover the launcher doesn't show
[19:11] <szb> stan_man_can, you could try upping the reveal sensitivity of your courser. But even on the most sensitive setting the launcher might not get revealed on the first try sometimes..... I don't know a fix for that! To be honest I think it's not really made for being hidden, since some opening or alert animations don't play too nicely with the launcher when it's hidden...
[19:12] <stan_man_can> szb, good to know thanks. yeah it's not a sensitivity issue sometimes you hover and it gives a glow at the edge but you gotta hover on/off a few times before it slides out. if it becomes too much of an issue i'll put it back to show
[19:13] <bipul> nacc, I did what you said, but no success.
[19:14] <ubuntuNewUser> im running Ubuntu on a flashdrive...how do i intall clonezilla ?
[19:14] <szb> stan_man_can, I just tried it and the keyboard shortcut seems to work quite nicely!
[19:16] <szb> ubuntuNewUser, try 'sudo apt install clonezilla' (you might not need 'sudo', not sure)
[19:16] <tripelb> "E: could bot get lock /var/lib/dpg/,lock ... is another process using it?"  I just booted it up. Last time it did this. Ibdid ps -aux bit then didnt know how to proceed. UB 16.04 re >sudo apt- get install handbrake
[19:16] <tripelb> npt
[19:17] <tripelb> not
[19:17] <exoalexander> excuse me i need some information on the upcoming Ubuntu 16.10 so i can prepare
[19:17] <exoalexander> yakkety yak
[19:18] <szb> exoalexander, just ask your question, if somebody sees it and knows the answer they will let you know! :)
[19:18] <exoalexander> ok
[19:18] <exoalexander> 1. will unity 8 take over
[19:18] <tripelb> exoalexander: Welcome it with an altar in your house with yellow flowers and two candles, best white.
[19:19] <szb> exoalexander, as far as I know it will not be the default Desktop for 16.10, but available to install!
[19:19] <OerHeks> exoalexander, not yet, with 16.10
[19:20] <bekks> Why not staying with 16.04 until 2021? :)
[19:20] <exoalexander> 2. is ubuntu going to get a gnome look
[19:20] <exoalexander> 2021 WTF!
[19:20] <OerHeks> ugh, themes .. sure someone will do that.
[19:20] <tripelb> i want to knpw what process has a lock on my administration directory already. just booted 16.04
[19:21] <Laurenceb> hi
[19:21] <szb> exoalexander, please ask all questions at once, otherwise it's difficult to follow you... Concerning your question: What is a 'Gnome look'?
[19:21] <tripelb> exoalexander: gnome-classic ftw
[19:21] <Laurenceb> Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Connection refused
[19:21] <exoalexander> 3. is beta one out tommarow
[19:21] <Laurenceb> suggestions welcome for what could cause such an error
[19:21] <exoalexander> ok
[19:22] <OerHeks> standard gnome3 desktop is available too.
[19:22] <tripelb> exoalexander: 10 is OCTOBER not September
[19:23] <exoalexander> 4. will a 8gig usb work
[19:23] <tripelb> my questio! I ask in good form and the man who cant read a calendar gets all the attention. /me whines
[19:24] <OerHeks> tripelb, "E: could bot get lock /var/lib/dpg/,lock ... is another process using it?"  .. this happens when softwarecenter/synaptic is open and you use terminal .. or updates are pending.
[19:25] <szb> exoalexander, Unity7 will stay the way it is and Unity8 will follow the same principals, but take a glimpse here: http://design.canonical.com/2016/08/convergent-terminal
[19:25] <OerHeks> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-releases-massive-mir-0-24-0-display-server-update-for-ubuntu-linux-os-507569.shtml
[19:25] <OerHeks> but not ready for production
[19:27] <melio> helps, can't kill -9 this process 21323 pts/17   00:00:00 dpkg-preconfigu <defunct>
[19:27] <szb> exoalexander, for question 4: I *think* an 8GB USB will be enough!
[19:27] <melio> any idea what i can do?
[19:27] <stan_man_can> Alright so I have a 2TB ext4 formatted drive installed in my box, it auto mounts to /media/{user}/storage can I just tell it to mount at like /storage or something?
[19:27] <melio> maby kill the parent process?
[19:27] <melio> stan_man_can, you can make a symbolic link
[19:27] <stan_man_can> or i guess /mnt/storage if that's any better?
[19:27] <varaindemian> should I use apt instead of apt-get when updateting and installing packages?
[19:28] <melio> i use apt-get
[19:28] <tripelb> N/M I would have rather learned but released it in the GUI. Dont UI nderstand how it could survive 2 reboots. laptop, 14.04.  b
[19:28] <melio> apt-get install keyword
[19:28] <melio> sudo will help
[19:28] <stan_man_can> melio, the issue i'm running into is it mounts in /media/{user}/ and i'm using plex as a media server, plex needs me to set 755 recursively on /media and i'm not sure that's safe?
[19:29] <szb> varaindemian, 'apt' and 'apt' get are doing the exact same thing (apt being a wrapper for apt-get) so it shouldn't make any difference!
[19:29] <stan_man_can> melio, well, on /media /media/bkilshaw /media/bkilshaw/storage
[19:29] <melio> stan_man_can, do you know the basics of file permissions, i would look up file permissions codex
[19:29] <melio> .filepermissions
[19:29] <tripelb> thanks OerHeks (I knew that and was perusing the output of ps aux for clues as to what to kill.
[19:29] <melio> .permissions
[19:30] <melio> .chmod
[19:30] <szb> varaindemian, sorry, i meant to say 'apt' and 'apt-get' are identical
[19:30] <melio> !chmod
[19:30] <melio> there
[19:30] <stan_man_can> melio, i understand the basics of it but if I set 755 on /media/user will that effect any other drives i plug in that get mounted there as well?
[19:30] <melio> stan if your box isnt on the internet it's safe
[19:30] <rypervenche> stan_man_can: Anything currently mointed will be affected.
[19:30] <melio> if it's front facing without a firewall, hosted server. don't do that
[19:31] <stan_man_can> melio, no it's my desktop at home behind my router so i guess it's alright
[19:31] <rypervenche> stan_man_can: It all depends on what is currently mounted and if you care about the permissions on those disks or not.
[19:31] <tomreyn> also if anyone else uses the computer, dont do it
[19:31] <melio> stan_man_can, sure. but it helps to put in a hardening ssh brute detector and ssh killer when people attack through the firewall
[19:32] <stan_man_can> rypervenche, this is the only thing mounted in there right now
[19:32] <melio> http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/popular-tools-for-brute-force-attacks/
[19:32] <stan_man_can> is there anything that translates drwxr-xr-x to the 775 or whatever
[19:33] <stan_man_can> trying to google but failing
[19:33] <yuken> I'm having troubles with wiping an LVM partition that Fedora has made. Any clue how I should go about doing it with an Ubuntu 16.04.1 liveCD?
[19:33] <stan_man_can> neermind eventually found http://chmod-calculator.com/
[19:33] <tomreyn> stan_man_can: or: man chmod(1)
[19:34] <melio> stan yes
[19:34] <szb> yuken, are you using GParted for that? Does it throw an error?
[19:34] <melio> stan_man_can, http://permissions-calculator.org/
[19:35] <yuken> szb, Kubuntu, so no GParted; the KDE Partition Manager. Yes, it does when trying to format it to ext4.
[19:35] <MrHall> Hello, when  i want install ubuntu xubuntu or lubuntu i have this error: " error 8 kernel must be loaded before booting"
[19:35] <yuken> (a blank ext4 partition)
[19:36] <tomreyn> yuken: why do you want to wipe it, to remove remainders of the data store don it, or because there are some issues creating a new file system or LV on it?
[19:36] <yuken> tomreyn, the former.
[19:36] <szb> yuken, I don't have much experience with that, but when partitions are giving me trouble and I can't fix it from within the system or from a Live CD I'll use the actual GParted Live CD! http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[19:37] <yuken> Can't, szb, internet issues.
[19:37] <tomreyn> okay, for the future, use full disk encryption instead, since wiping data written on platter or ssds is not guaranteed to succeed entirely
[19:37] <tomreyn> for now, i'd use the shred or wipe utilites
[19:38] <m_> hi
[19:38] <yuken> tomreyn, how would I go about using those?
[19:38] <tomreyn> one of them can work on block devices, but i forgot which
[19:38] <King> hi
[19:38] <wildmanron1> Hay i am woundering when my system goes into sleep mode dose it turn off the usb ports and not see the power switch i  have to hold the power swith down to shut down the system just so i can restart it to use it after it gose to sleep
[19:38] <MrHall> Hello, when  i want install ubuntu xubuntu or lubuntu i have this error: " error 8 kernel must be loaded before booting"
[19:38] <tomreyn> i dont remember the exact parameters, but it's oviouis from the manpages. look for "device"
[19:38] <Guest15910> hello
[19:39] <Laurenceb> hi
[19:39] <Laurenceb> can anyone here help me with bluetooth?
[19:40] <user1254> Laurenceb: what's the problem ?
[19:40] <Laurenceb> I'm trying to connect to a serial bluetooth module
[19:40] <yuken> Thanks, tomreyn. Don't know much about partitioning other than the basics, been having this issue for 3 hours at this point.
[19:40] <szb> wildmanron1, you should be able to configure this option in your BIOS! 'Wake on USB' or something similar!
[19:40] <Laurenceb> I've done this many times before, but this time it is failing
[19:41] <Laurenceb> sudo rfcomm connect 13 00:06:66:80:95:37 1Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Connection refused
[19:41] <Laurenceb> a problem with pairing?;
[19:41] <MrHall> i cant enter in linux installer :(
[19:43] <wildmanron1> there is a setting that turns on the usbs but the problem is it wont wake up from sleep mode you know in ubuntu 14.04 where it dosent get used for a while and it goes to sleep it wont wake up when i shake the mouse or touch the key board so i not sure whats going on
[19:44] <szb> wildmanron1, I'm quite positive that's because the option to wake from keyboard and mouse are disabled in your bios! I could be wrong, but you should check it!
[19:44] <lewltrowl> Hello i am trying to install the gnome panel extension via the extension website, i click install but when i refresh the page it says its not installed..
[19:45] <lewltrowl> What am i doing wrong?
[19:45] <yuken> tomreyn, wipefs -a /dev/sda8 (sda8 being the partition) seemed to work. Thanks.
[19:45] <szb> lewltrowl, there's another way, take a look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdqzxqDo7Sk
[19:46] <thor_> can i ask a quetion bout DVI here? im confused about the adapter solutions. If I have mini display port in my t540p, and a viewsonic monitor. the monitor is blurry when using VGA. will an adaptor cable mini dispalty to DVI solve the problem?
[19:46] <lewltrowl> szb: Thank you! :)
[19:46] <wildmanron1> ok i will go check it and get back to you is there any files or logs i can show to you that might tell you or someone what is going on i will be right back thanks for the hint
[19:46] <bekks> thor_: Thats nothing we can guarantee :)
[19:47] <Mojtaba> Hello, I am using system proxy by ssh, and the problem is that thunderbird gives me connection refused for gmail. Do you know what should I do?
[19:47] <Mojtaba> There is no TTY1-6 in Ubuntu 16.04LTS. (Do you know what should I do?)
[19:47] <szb> wildmanron1, I'm not very experienced with those things so I don't know if there are any logs for that! But just go thoroughly through your Bios and see if anything shows up! :)
[19:48] <thor_> bekks: haha.. okay. guess you are right. just wondering if any had encountered similar issue.
[19:50] <melio> ok what should i do, a printer driver locked up. should i use xkill
[19:50] <melio> lol
[19:50] <melio> i remember xkill wonder if it's installed
[19:51] <wafflejock> melio, if you see it in top you can just kill it by pid
[19:51] <melio> i couldnt find it in top
[19:51] <melio> it just froze. going to try again installing it. coulda been during a network fail and a bad hunk of code couldnt deal with finding a url
[19:52] <wafflejock> melio, what print driver? any idea what the process is called?
[19:52] <bipul> nacc, Yes,it works after making restart to my OS.
[19:52] <melio> epson workforce 325
[19:52] <melio> it might not even be available anymore
[19:53] <melio> website links might be bad to get them. i might have to do a manual compile or install of proprietary drivers
[19:54] <wildmanron1> Well it says that the wake on usb deal is on so I am not sure whats going on here but i have reinstalled ubuntu 14.04 twice and dose the same thing so i dont see it being a bad install it has something to do with after i did the 16.04 upgrade it wouldnt wake up then after that so i went back to 14.04 thinking it was just 16.04 but now 14.04 wont wake up and it use to work just fine now not so much
[19:54] <almenon> is there any tools for watching file changes that don't rely on fsevents?  I'm using ubuntu on windows, which does not support fsevents. :/
[19:55] <melio> wow
[19:55] <melio> or Ubuntu 8.04/8.10	All language
[19:55] <melio> 12-21-2011
[19:55] <melio> that's a kinda old driver
[19:55] <szb> wildmanron1, awww... Ok, I'm really sorry but then I don't know any other cause or solution. I was so sure that it was a Bios setting! :3
[19:56] <melio> i had this working before. used the add printer method.
[19:56] <melio> hmm
[19:56] <melio> maby the driver search name is wrong
[19:56] <melio> lemme see if i can adjust hat
[19:56] <melio> gtha
[19:56] <akik> Mojtaba: if the ttys don't appear automatically, you can change /etc/systemd/logind.conf (http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html)
[19:58] <wildmanron1> i checked all that before i posted but i checked it again after you said to look at that setting but it hasn't changed so what the world is cause it not to wake up now it doesn't make since
[19:58] <melio> i'm going to try the epson-escpr driver, it's opensource
[19:58] <melio> should work
[19:59] <melio> ESC/P-R
[20:01] <wryfi> i am trying to backport libsass from yakkety to trusty
[20:01] <wryfi> and it's barfing on something to do with aclocal
[20:01] <wryfi> it's trying to run `cd . && aclocal-, -Im4 --install --force`
[20:01] <wryfi> obvs aclocal- is not a valid command
[20:01] <wryfi> anybody help me track down what's going wrong?
[20:02] <szb> wildmanron1, maybe the answer in this thread can help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/485481/ubuntu-14-04-doesnt-wake-up-after-screen-is-locked-and-blank/770123
[20:03] <szb> wildmanron1, not quite the same problem, but the solution might be the same!
[20:05] <redrighthand> Does anyone know of a good open source ip cam surveillance system? Zoneminder and motion are the only ones I know off the top of my head
[20:07] <gnubug> tux99
[20:08] <wildmanron1> ok i will go check it out and i will get back to you and let you know what i find out thanks for at least trying to help I have been trying to find help for a week now not the worlds smartest on this stuff ether so thank you for trying to help me out i will post back what i figure out whats going on.
[20:09] <szb> wildmanron1, no problem, mate! That's the least we can do for each other here! Don't give up! :)
[20:10] <Guest25525> I'
[20:10] <melio> this printer driver installer in system settings is wacko
[20:11] <melio> I might have to reboot to make it work again. had a stray lock file that broke a update
[20:11] <melio> caused by it
[20:11] <melio> now i do a sudo apt-get update. and i get W: http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/op/stable/debian/dists/lsb3.2/Release.gpg: Signature by key E5220FB7014D0FBDA50DFC2BE5E86C008AA65D56 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
[20:11] <Guest25525> I'm having trouble with my bluetooth speaker on Ubuntu; I can't change the audio profile to High Fidelity playback (A2DP Sink) from Headset Head Unit (HSP/HFP)
[20:12] <juacado> is openjdk 9 stable, right?
[20:12] <melio> juacado, only way to know is to ask, or try it and tell us
[20:12] <wildmanron1> i just looked at the web page and that might work i will let you know also i wont give up i have run ubuntu for 5 years or so but i am still not that smart to fix it by my self but ya if this works i will let you know thanks sir
[20:13] <juacado> well melio, maybe I have to use a different syntax: is openjdk 9 stable?
[20:13] <tomreyn> yuken: wipefs is not amonogst the tools i suggested. it does not provide data protection, just deletes parts of the file system meta data.
[20:14] <wafflejock> Guest25525, I've had related problems with bluetooth intermittently typically solution for me was to kill pulseaudio and restart it myself for some reason when it's running in the user session it seems to work in terms of changing audio profiles
[20:14] <yuken> tomreyn, that is what I was looking for x-x.
[20:15] <tomreyn> yuken: okay, you told me something else earlier
[20:15] <wafflejock> Guest25525, you may also want to try out pavucontrol (pulse audio control) and/or blueman manager have had a bit more luck with those than the prebaked tools
[20:15] <tomreyn> former != latter ;-P
[20:15] <Guest25525> wafflejock, I tried killing pulseaudio with pkill and it came back immediately Also, I''m using both of those tools.  Pavucontrol is great but it hasn't helped
[20:16] <wafflejock> Guest25525, think you need to do pulseaudio -k to kill it.... I may have done some other config changes to stop it from auto restarting as well
[20:16] <eduardo_> I just installed ubuntu 16 and rhythmbox 3.3 doesn't work
[20:16] <Guest25525> wafflejock, Also, confusingly enough sometimes, if I spam changing to a2dp sink enough it will randomly work
[20:16] <eduardo_> tried already to uninstall it
[20:17] <wafflejock> Guest25525, yeah bummer it's been really flakey for me as well.. 16.04 seemed a bit better in some cases but other devices I just can't turn on the high fidelty at all... seems we're in the same boat
[20:17] <gnubug> I have a problem with my DNS settings and WLAN. After a fresh boot it works, but after I plugged in and then plugged out the LAN cable it doesn't work anymore. Any ideas?
[20:17] <Guest25525> wafflejock, It really sucks, I know the speaker isn't at fault cause it works from my phone just fine
[20:17] <tomreyn> eduardo_: "does not work" how?
[20:18] <tomreyn> eduardo_: does the graphical interface not show? if so, run it from a command line and check the output
[20:19] <eduardo_> tomreyn: yeah the graphical interface doesn't show up, i get his message now: rhythmbox: error while loading shared libraries: libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:19] <eduardo_> tomreyn: i guess i'll install that library
[20:20] <gnubug> I tried "sudo ifdown --force wlp3s0; sudo ifuo wlp3s0", but this doesn't help.
[20:20] <tomreyn> eduardo_: it should already be installed if it's a dependency of rhythmbox
[20:20] <tomreyn> eduardo_: unless you "tried to uninstall" using dpkg or otherwise removed files.
[20:21] <eduardo_> tomreyn: I used ubuntu software center to uninstall it
[20:21] <eduardo_> tomreyn: i might have some package problems
[20:21] <tomreyn> okay that woulödnt do any harm then
[20:21] <eduardo_> tomreyn: i had some error messages during installation
[20:21] <tomreyn> *that* might
[20:21] <Guest25525> wafflejock, Now It says its using a2dp sink but it isn't making any sound
[20:21] <Guest25525> wafflejock, making me hate ubuntu/linux
[20:21] <gnubug> I also tried "sudo dhclient wlp3s0" but this doesn't help either
[20:22] <tomreyn> eduardo_: ... depending on what these error messages were
[20:22] <eduardo_> tomreyn: that i might have to install some packages manually
[20:22] <Guest25525> wafflejock, And now its working, shoot me
[20:22] <wafflejock> Guest25525, yeah audio in general is a nightmare between alsa pulseaudio and jack things get really confusing really fast then add to that bluetooth and it's a no fun... it's probably my biggest remaining grievance unfortunately I can only complain with you :)
[20:23] <tomreyn> eduardo_: are you comfortable working with a terminal?
[20:23] <elricsfate> If someone would help me with this bug I'd really appreciate it because it's making my Laptop almost unusable
[20:23] <tomreyn> eduardo_: if so, we could try to make sure your installation is complete / up to date.
[20:23] <eduardo_> tomreyn: i'm downloading like 411 mb of archives
[20:23] <elricsfate> My trackpad is an entire flat section with no seperate area for the physical button. In the bottom left and right corner there are physical buttons but the area above it is still part of the sensing area
[20:24] <elricsfate> If I try to click while moving something it almost always causing my mouse to jump around to a completely unpredictable area
[20:24] <tomreyn> eduardo_: what kind of archives? i.e. how does this matter now?
[20:24] <elricsfate> Does anyone know of a possible fix for this issue? I've been trying to find one for days and it's making my Linux experience pretty shitty
[20:25] <eduardo_> tomreyn: how do i make it up to date?
[20:26] <eduardo_> tomreyn: I have worked as a unix system admin
[20:26] <eduardo_> tomreyn: mostly with solaris
[20:26] <tomreyn> eduardo_: oh great, so you are comfortiable with it. so start a terminal, type: apt-get update; apt-get -f install; apt-cache policy
[20:27] <tomreyn> if any errors, show the output of all commands
[20:27] <eduardo_> tomreyn: ok, thanks for your help
[20:27] <tomreyn> using a pastebin
[20:27] <tomreyn> if no errors, add: apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:27] <tomreyn> eduardo_: those apt-get commands need to be run using sudo or as root
[20:28] <tomreyn> i would have more suggestions, yet, but this is a good start
[20:29] <eduardo_> tomreyn: ok I'll see how it works
[20:29] <gnubug> I am not sure, if it is really a dns problem: ping <IP_ADDRESS> (google) works, but the same IP in firefox not, however <IP_ADDRESS> (router) works in both cases.
[20:29] <gnubug> Any idea what might be wrong here?
[20:30] <wafflejock> elricsfate, you want to look into xinput it can typically list out all the input devices, from there you can list the device properties then you can update the device properties
[20:30] <singam> hi
[20:30] <singam> guys use www.pazhanji.org to transfer ur files
[20:30] <wafflejock> elricsfate, you may need to reduce the active area on the touchpad or adjust other properties of the xinput to get it to stop doing that... what properties in particular I'm not entirely sure but can search on xinput to get details
[20:32] <wafflejock> elricsfate, once you figure out the xinput property that needs to be set just copy it so you can add it to run when you login
[20:32] <tomreyn> eduardo_: more suggestions: apt-get --purge autoremove; apt-get install apt-show-versions; echo 'Packages which need closer inspection:'; apt-show-versions | grep -Ev '(uptodate|not installed)$'
[20:32] <szb> elricsfate, this might be a place to start: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[20:33] <szb> elricsfate, if by any chance you have an ALPS touchpad, try this guy's solution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ctFuKmVl4
[20:36] <szb> wildmanron1, did you have any luck? :o
[20:36] <wildmanron1> ok I went and did the Grub deal and it still wont wake up
[20:37] <tomreyn> gnubug: if firefox is unable to access that *ip address* on the default http port then you are either blocked by the remote server, an intermediary (using a proxy) or firefox is havine some issue. i would suggest you try wget or curl as well
[20:37] <szb> wildmanron1, oh boy...... Back to the start maybe? A fresh install of 14.04? :/
[20:37] <wildmanron1> i did that last night twice
[20:38] <wildmanron1> still has same problem
[20:39] <wafflejock> gnubug, if you are trying to go by IP the server may not serve unless the request includes the domain name if they have some sort of virtual hosts where the server is looking for the name in the request
[20:39] <wafflejock> gnubug, for the record it does redirect me to google.com with that IP in firefox
[20:40] <szb> wildmanron1, I'm out of guesses, very sorry! :(
[20:41] <keini> hi
[20:41] <gnubug> tomreyn: But why does it work after a fresh reboot? I tried wget <IP_ADDRESS> it says ... resolving www.google.com ... failed: temporary failure in name resolution...
[20:42] <wafflejock> gnubug, elaborate on doesn't work in firefox? maybe check F12 network panel in there to see what's happening, for me the request for the IP responds with a moved permanently to http://www.google.com/
[20:42] <tomreyn> gnubug: so indeed you have a resoilver issue there. whats your resolvers if you don't mind disclosing them?
[20:42] <zodiac19> ah, so there is a chat for ubuntu users, And I got stuck in the kubuntu chat previously. would someone mind forwarding me to the coffee room/random discussion area
[20:42] <zodiac19> ?
[20:42] <wildmanron1> so i am thinking of trying to change the video card to a diffrent one and reinstalling and see what happens
[20:43] <wafflejock> zodiac19, #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:43] <zodiac19> thank you very much
[20:43] <wafflejock> zodiac19, no prob
[20:43] <wildmanron1> if it still dose it i think that tells me it is a motherboard problem
[20:43] <neredsenvy> Any new news about Unity 8
[20:44] <owen1> I downloaded http://andromouse.com/, chmod 755, and run ./"AndroMouse Server V5.jar -> './AndroMouse Server V5.jar: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error'   any ideas? (java version "1.8.0_101")
[20:44] <szb> wildmanron1, yes, I'm starting to think so too!
[20:44] <szb> neredsenvy, Unity8 will not be the default desktop for 16.10 but you'll be able to install and test-drive it!
[20:45] <wildmanron1> i will post back to you just as soon as i get it changed and reinstall the os again thanks for helping i will let you know keep your eye out for me
[20:45] <neredsenvy> I know that
[20:45] <tomreyn> owen1: use java -jar 'AndroMouse Server V5.jar'
[20:45] <neredsenvy> But no new news about unity 8 for like 2-3 months now
[20:45] <tomreyn> but be sure you know what this software does beforehand, i do not know it
[20:46] <neredsenvy> Was all hype jan-april than nothing
[20:46] <szb> wildmanron1, I might leave soon, but the best of luck to you!
[20:47] <szb> neredsenvy, i don't know what or how much is going on there, but you could check over at #ubuntu-unity
[20:49] <wildmanron1> i will keep my eye out for you but i will post back here to let someone know what happens maybe they can let you know if it worked or not thanks for all your help
[20:51] <gnubug> wafflejock: It says: "Firefox can't find the server at www.google.com. F12 network doesn't show much. Under headings you see "www.google.com" as Host, and there is a 205 ms timing for dns.
[20:51] <cmbn> hi
[20:52] <cmbn> is there a command that will do nothing no matter what arguments you give it?
[20:52] <jacres> hi everyone - does anyone have a link to a good example partitioning scheme for having windows and ubuntu installed to the same SSD, with /home on an HDD (and maybe /var).
[20:52] <gnubug> tomreyn: Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. How can I see what my resolvers are?
[20:52] <lordcirth> cmbn, why would you want that?
[20:52] <jacres> I'm coming from Arch
[20:52] <lordcirth> jacres, BIOS or UEFI?
[20:52] <jacres> mainly looking for recommended sizes
[20:53] <jacres> lordcirth: UEFI
[20:53] <jacres> and starting clean ;)
[20:53] <jacres> lordcirth: 250gb SSD, 3TB HDD
[20:54] <wafflejock> gnubug, yeah if nslookup www.google.com works, then the DNS on your system is fine, if wget or curl fails to get a response though then something is wrong either on the device or somewhere between the device and the server
[20:54] <wafflejock> gnubug, if you try with other devices on the network can eliminate things between the network and server
[20:54] <szb> jacres, this one is a little old and for Manjaro, but from what I recall it was quite thorough!
[20:54] <lordcirth> jacres, this seems useful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[20:55] <szb> jacres, whoops, forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=616wvkZuco4
[20:55] <owen1> tomreyn: thank you
[20:56] <jacres> szb: great thanks!
[20:56] <minimec> elricsfate: can you once do 'xinput' in a terminal and get the id (id=?) of your pointer device? Then do 'xinput list-props <id-number>' That should give you the proberties of your device. If you are on 16.04 the chance is, that you are using 'libinput'
[20:56] <jacres> lordcirth: thanks, will check that out
[20:56] <gnubug> wafflejock: nslookup www.google.com results in "server can't find www.google.com: REFUSED'
[20:56] <jacres> do you guys have ideas of recommended sizes for the partition?
[20:56] <awer> Hi, im running a pentest and cam across this code. Anyknow what  it is? or at least in what format? http://pastebin.com/LQDSKgrM
[20:57] <jacres> err partitions.. that's my main concern
[20:58] <gnubug> wafflejock: For other boxes in the network everything works, also on my laptop if I reboot it, but after I plug in a LAN cable and plug it out again, it doesn't work anymore. Did you see my initial description of the problem above? If not, I can repost it.
[20:59] <szb> jacres, for the /boot partition, if you want a separate one, I'll always go with at least 256 MB, better 512 MB! This is by far too much (I think around 128 MB is already plenty) but I have run out numerous times when upgrading/swapping kernels and if that happens (at least in Ubuntu) I was told by a developer that you're pretty much done! xD So better safe then sorry! Other than that I don't have any recommendations!
[20:59] <gnubug> Perhaps I could try to manually reset my DNS server. But I don't know how to.
[21:00] <OerHeks> awer, seek help in security or kali channel, this is not a pentesting support channel
[21:00] <jacres> szb: that makes sense - MB's are cheap these days ;)
[21:01] <jacres> szb: what about for /? And would you mount /var from the HDD as well?
[21:01] <jacres> along with /home
[21:01] <awer> OerHeks: ok thanks
[21:02] <bumblefuzz> how to I delete my swap partition?
[21:02] <MonkeyDust> bumblefuzz  you can disable it with swapoff -a
[21:02] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: do "sudo swapoff -a". then remove it from fstab and remove the partition
[21:02] <bumblefuzz> and it'll reclaim the space?
[21:02] <szb> jacres, for root I mostly go with 20-30 GB (way too much for my needs, but again: better safe then sorry ^-^)! To be honest, I never bothered with /var so I don't have an opinion on that!
[21:03] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: what will reclaim the space?
[21:03] <OerHeks> The partitionmanager reclaims it as free 3space, but does nothing with it.3
[21:04] <bumblefuzz> k1l_: right now my SSD shows 983 GB of space with 16 GB of swap... I don't need 16 GB of swap
[21:04] <bumblefuzz> I want that space back
[21:04] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: so what do you want to do with that space? if you delete the parittion there will be just unallocated space
[21:04] <OerHeks> go for it
[21:04] <jacres> szb: great, thanks! I might try and give / 50gb just to be safe
[21:05] <jacres> or is that insane
[21:05] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: if you want to put that space into the system or home partition, then you will need to run a live usb and resize the partitions
[21:05] <lordcirth> jacres, nothing wrong with 50GB.
[21:05] <bumblefuzz> ohhh
[21:05] <szb> jacres, depending on how much software you're going to install it might be anything from 'way too much' to 'barely enough'! :D But it's as good as any number, go ahead!
[21:06] <jacres> ;)
[21:06] <elricsfate> Trying suggestions now, thanks guys
[21:06] <bumblefuzz> ok, well thanks!
[21:06] <lordcirth> jacres, I have / and /home in btrfs subvolumes, 50GB partition total.  But I have a data dir as well.
[21:06] <wafflejock> gnubug, just scrolled back and see what you said now about the LAN cable strange though can try sudo /etc/init.d/dns-clean restart
[21:07] <wafflejock> gnubug, then sudo /etc/init.d/networking force-reload according to askubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/414826/how-to-flush-dns-in-ubuntu-12-04
[21:07] <elricsfate> ⎜   ↳ ELAN0501:00 04F3:3019 Touchpad          	id=12	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[21:07] <elricsfate> ⎜   ↳ ELAN0501:00 04F3:3019 Touchpad          	id=12	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[21:07] <elricsfate> Sorry for multiline
[21:07] <elricsfate> Doesn't look like it's either kind of touch pad you guys mentioned?
[21:08] <gnubug> wafflejock: there is no dns-clean on my system (I also tried service dns-clean restart)
[21:08] <wafflejock> gnubug, what version of Ubuntu I didn't catch that?
[21:09] <gnubug> 16.04.1 LTS
[21:10] <gnubug> wafflejock: Kernel: 4.4.0-34-generic
[21:10] <jacres> and for a swap, with 16gb ram - 8gb is more than sufficient? and should that be on SSD or best on HDD?
[21:10] <jacres> and PS - thanks for the help ;)
[21:11] <szb> jacres, a rule of thumb is that /swap should be the same size as your ram! But if you're not constantly rendering videos or doing heavy graphics stuff I think that 8GB is more than enough! You'll probably hardly run out of 16GB ram! :)
[21:11] <szb> jacres, thank YOU for letting me pretend I know stuff! :D
[21:12] <jacres> szb: haha! and is SSD preferred for swap? or HDD ok
[21:12] <elricsfate> IS there somewhere I can go to edit the mouse settings graphically?
[21:12] <professor_sadasd> should i add noatime for my ssd?
[21:12] <wafflejock> gnubug, yeah not sure answers all seems to say to install nscd and run it to clear them out (I may have dns-clean because this is an upgraded system or I may have been playing with dnsmasq on my laptop at some point)
[21:12] <minimec> elricsfate: There is an open bug for your device... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-lts-xenial/+bug/1558489
[21:13] <wafflejock> gnubug, can't find any answers that explicitly cover 16.04 though
[21:13] <Rarrikins> jacres: HDD should almost definitely be used. HDDs can handle repeated writes better than SSDs.
[21:13] <szb> jacres, SSD might give you a little quicker startup from hibernate/suspend, but you could use the HDD and thereby minimize the "wear and tear" on your SSD a little! If you really are going to need lots of Swap I think the HDD is almost the only way to go!
[21:14] <elricsfate> Yes, but that isn't my issue minimec
[21:14] <elricsfate> My issue is in regards to how the touchpad behaves, not that it isn't working,
[21:15] <Bray90820> Is the desktop version of ubuntuu EFI compatible
[21:15] <Bray90820> Specifically this
[21:15] <Bray90820> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[21:15] <gnubug> wafflejock: Maybe I should try that: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/163506/5289
[21:16] <gnubug> wafflejock: I am going to install nscd first...
[21:16] <k1l_> Bray90820: yes. the ubuntu isos do work with efi ootb.
[21:16] <k1l_> Bray90820: (as long as that is not a special 32bit image like its shipped on those microsoft tablets)
[21:16] <k1l_> *32bit uefi, not 32bit image
[21:16] <szb> Bray90820, the 64bit version is UEFI compatible, if I'm not mistaken. The 32bit version is not!
[21:17] <redrighthand> Whats the correct tool to use for samba mounting? smbmount or cifs?
[21:17] <k1l_> well, there is no reason to use 32bit OS on hardware that comes with uefi (so its quite new) anyway
[21:17] <Bray90820> k1l_: It it windows tablet but it's RemixOS compatible
[21:18] <Bray90820> What file on the live USB tigers the system boot
[21:18] <redrighthand> mount -t cifs or smbmount?
[21:19] <k1l_> Bray90820: then you need to look if there is a known way to get a linux running there.
[21:19] <gnubug> wafflejock: dns-clean not found again...
[21:21] <gnubug> wafflejock: At reboot I noticed two red "failed" messages, but it was to fast to read the content of the message. How can I read this messages from the running system again?
[21:21] <minimec> elricsfate: Sorry... I was wrong. There seems to be a workaround... There is a thread on ubuntuusers.de ( german ;) )  hey claim that you have to switch the touchpad from 'advanced' to 'basic'. Then make sure that you are using 'libinput' as driver, not 'synaptics' or 'evdev'. See the following link in the lower third...
[21:21] <wildmanron1> Ok  szb just so youy knw  have to gbuy a new card I thought had a spare one so i will have to wait till i get the new one thanks for your help
[21:21] <minimec> https://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/touchpad-ist-stockend-acer-aspire-e5-575g-56gu/#post-8457008
[21:21] <melio> heh
[21:22] <melio> my wife just said to a big ceo at a company "my husband is a FSF member, we know opensource and defend it"
[21:22] <melio> ha. go wife
[21:22] <melio> go linux!
[21:22] <elricsfate> minimec: again, there may be confusion as that isn't actually my issue :)
[21:23] <elricsfate> THank you regardless :)
[21:23] <k1l_> go #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[21:23] <szb> wildmanron1, haha, oh man, what an odyssey! This HAS to work out in the end! Sending good vibes! :D
[21:23] <melio> k1l_, GO ubuntu no one told me there was an offopic channel ;) thanks
[21:24] <OerHeks> or #ubuntu-discuss
[21:24] <minimec> elricsfate: Oh... I see now. I was indeed mixing two problems...
[21:25] <wildmanron1> Thanks bud i will try to post a let you note here when i get r done
[21:25] <wafflejock> gnubug, journalctl -b0, but very strange, by default there isn't dns caching that I'm aware of but nscd will do it and dnsmasq apparently has some caching
[21:26] <OerHeks> gnubug, is this bare metal or a VM??
[21:26] <bipul> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23086352/ What is the difference between 5 to 11 user groups mask and other field from 13 to 18 default user,group,mask and other field?
[21:28] <OerHeks> bipul, http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man5/acl.5.html
[21:29] <OerHeks> really helpfull for your homework
[21:29] <bipul> Thanks
[21:31] <tomreyn> gnubug: what's the output of: ls -la /etc/resolv.conf ; cat /etc/resolv.conf
[21:31] <gnubug> DerHeks: This is bare metal. I should add that I configured wifi via wpa_supplicant conf and /etc/interfaces by checking journalctl -b0 I just noted that network-manager is installed but it shouldn't I will try to purge it...
[21:32] <wafflejock> elricsfate, how far did you get here you listed the input devices right? did you list the properties? typically have had more luck with using xinput directly rather than trying to use GUIs for this kind of thing
[21:33] <tomreyn> i guess you just found the root cause, combined with possibly incorrect resolvers (AKA caching name servers).
[21:34] <gnubug> tomreyn: resolv.conf links to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf and contains nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> and search zyxel.com (the manufacturer of my router)
[21:34] <tomreyn> doh they ship that a sa search domain, naughty
[21:35] <tomreyn> but the <IP_ADDRESS> bit is fine as loing as you have dnsmasq running with the default configuration, which wou would get with network manager
[21:36] <OerHeks> see if that device is supported by openwrt or something
[21:37] <gnubug> dnsmasq is not installed. What does it do?
[21:37] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dnsmasq
[21:39] <tomreyn> if you have installed a caching resolver on your computer that would work, too
[21:39] <tomreyn> well whether or not it's caching really.
[21:41] <aryell> I know it is probably asked to death this question, but do you absolutly need the preallocated space on the ext4 partitions that is default made at installation
[21:41] <aryell> ?
[21:42] <k1l_> aryell: you mean the 5% reserve for root and backup inodes?
[21:42] <aryell> currently I;m at 1.5% for a fully partitioned 2 in number with a 320 hdd
[21:43] <on2pk> Hey guys.  I'm kinda wondering, is there a way to decouple displaylink and dvi providers?  I want to be able to use a USB monitor without a regular monitor also plugged in
[21:43] <aryell> i think that is it but linux ubuntu mate 16.04 selects it at lower then 5% for this time around
[21:43] <k1l_> aryell: i would keep that at that state. so you can access your system in recovery when its gone full accidently.
[21:44] <lordcirth> Probably because storage is bigger now
[21:44] <congiun> can someone help me a little
[21:44] <congiun> i have an issue
[21:44] <aryell> ok so root partion i should not touch with tune2fs
[21:45] <k1l_> yeah, 5% is too much today (5% from 1TB :/ ). but you need some reserve
[21:45] <aryell> is it the same with the home partition ?
[21:45] <k1l_> for plain media disks that is not needed
[21:45] <tripelb> aryell: k1l_ lordcirth here I  lurking and trying to learn and I cannot see who.what you are referring to...
[21:45] <gnubug> Since I purged network-manager I don't have wifi at all (on the fresh system I configured it via wpa_supplicant and /etc/interfaces, since some time later I installed gnome which also installed network-manager. Now I purged network manager and also gnome)
[21:45] <tripelb> oh further back. duh.
[21:45] <gnubug> After fresh install int also worked without dnsmasq
[21:45] <lordcirth> tripelb, the people who are talking about the same thing we are :)
[21:49] <aryell> it;s not really a problem right now but in 2 months I am going to get a 4TB hdd and partion it gpt with one ext4 partion and that allocation I think is going to kill me considering that it will not be a home partition but a simple storage drive automounted and shoftlinked to the home wich i allready have
[21:50] <aryell> I;m asking if i should tone it down to 0% for that drive only
[21:50] <aryell> tune2fs -m 0 /dev/sdx1 and so forth
[21:51] <aryell> it;s a single user pc so no other admins here :p
[21:52] <k1l_> aryell: as i said, for plain data parititons that is not needed
[21:52] <aryell> ok got it
[21:52] <aryell> thank you for the info
[21:53] <gnubug> wafflejock: I think now I was to fast by purging gnome and network-manager, now it doesn't even get LAN...
[21:56] <gnubug> Also wpasupplicant and iptables is gone... I guess I have to download the packages manually from my other box and install them with gdebi or dpkg... But what are the essential network packages I need?
[22:00] <gnubug>  What a mess. Any ideas of how to get my network back?
[22:04] <OerHeks> gnubug, with your purge action ? download the files and transfer them with usb to that machine, or reinstall.
[22:04] <OerHeks> !offline
[22:04] <OerHeks> and softwarecenter got that option too
[22:06] <elspru> hey guys, I tried to install proprietary nvidia drivers and it broke my installation, is there a way I can fix it?
[22:06] <elspru> it overwrote something in the uefi, set up some kind of shim. I tried uninstalling, but it seems the shim or w/e is still tehere..
[22:06] <lordcirth> elspru, did you install from a package or manually?
[22:06] <elspru> from a package
[22:07] <elspru> I'm wondering if there might be a way of updating the uefi image so it doesn't use the proprietary stuff
[22:07] <lordcirth> elspru, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:08] <elspru> lordcirth: thanks I'll try that
[22:10] <energizer> I can't scroll in terminal. When I try, it just prints 64;38;44M
[22:12] <gnubug> DerHeks: I just found the apt log file and try to reinstall the relevant packages via usb... will take some minutes...
[22:22] <iGoblin> l
[22:24] <gnubug> Ok, wifi is back, but no LAN
[22:25] <minimec> energizer: Do you use any software that can map mouse events as keyboard shortcuts? I had such a problem once with the 'imwheel' software.
[22:26] <energizer> minimec: not that im aware of
[22:26] <energizer> even when i click in the terminal it prints some characters like that
[22:33] <ente_> My ubuntu is running on a fully encrypted ssd. I received the error while booting: "alloc magic is broken". Now I am trying to fix it like suggested in (1). However I get the error "mount: /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root: can't read superblock". Is may ssd broken or does anyone have a hint what I should do/try?
[22:33] <minimec> energizer: Just came to my mind... I had the same problem with the terminal in combintation with 'imwheel'. I mapped PageUp/Down to the scrollwheel, to be able to scroll with the mouse, when using the irrsi chat software.
[22:33] <ente_> (1) https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2076908&p=12321359#post12321359
[22:33] <logical> Hi Is this chat also oriented for ubuntu mate?
[22:33] <gnubug> DerHeks, tomreyn, wafflejock: Here is the log of the purge action: http://pastebin.com/JswZ839T, I reinstalled via usb the packages whois, finger, iptables, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant and iputils-tracepath. This makes wifi work again, but LAN doesn't work. ifconfig even doesn't show up an lan interface.
[22:33] <k1l_> logical: general ubuntu help.
[22:34] <k1l_> logical: there is #ubuntu-mate but you can ask here, too
[22:35] <gnubug> What package is missing to make LAN work again?
[22:37] <logical> k1l_ thank you
[22:37] <gnubug> Wait, ifconfig -a shows an ethernet interface but ifconfig doesn't
[22:38] <bekks> Sure.
[22:39] <bekks> ifconfig shows interfaces that are up only, while -a shows all interfaces.
[22:39] <gnubug> ifup enp0s25 says: "Unknown interface enp0s25"
[22:39] <bekks> All you need to do is configuring an interface.
[22:39] <bekks> Pastebin "ifconfig -a" please.
[22:39] <bekks> Or screenshot it.
[22:42] <ente_> Does ubuntu have a tool to check if a SSD, which is not mountable, is broken?
[22:42] <bekks> What is the problem behind your question?
[22:42] <gnubug> http://pastebin.com/2mjmkASa
[22:43] <k1l_> ente_: what is the error when mounting? can you show the dmesg?
[22:43] <bekks> gnubug: ifup works for interfaces that have configuration in whatever config file only. You need either do that, or manually configure that interface.
[22:43] <logical> Hi, I know this is not a question for this chat but no one answers me on the #ubuntu-mate chat,  is it possible to open the applications tab, by pressing the windows key?
[22:44] <ente_> k1l_: dmesg | tail: http://pastebin.com/xbQPUcqN
[22:44] <k1l_> ente_: uh. you might want to look at smartmontools
[22:45] <gnubug> bekks: I will check my /etc/networking/interfaces...
[22:45] <bekks> ente_: either cabling is broken or the disk is broken.
[22:46] <ente_> bekks: no need for further checks (except the cable I will check)?
[22:46] <bekks> ente_: line 8 indicates that your disk is broken, severely. Replace the disk.
[22:46] <bekks> ente_: No need for further analysis after reading line 8 from your pastebin.
[22:48] <ente_> bekks: :( - at least my ssd only contains the system stuff. :)
[22:58] <Bray90820> Is it possible to boot ubuntu live usb from grub
[22:58] <gnubug> bekks: Indeed there was a line missing. I added an entry (dhcp) for this interface and now LAN works
[23:02] <gnubug> bekks: Now however I have an issue when switching from LAN to WLAN and back. For example if I unplug the ethernet cable the wifi connection doesn't work anymore (seems to use the wrong ip from the ethernet in my case the etnernet ip was <IP_ADDRESS> and the wifi ip <IP_ADDRESS> pinging an ip address says "From <IP_ADDRESS> ... Destination Host Unreachable"
[23:03] <gnubug> How can I make switching between wifi and ethernet work? Any suggestion? If you want I can pastebin my interfaces file.
[23:04] <bekks> gnubug: if you want that to be working, you need both interfaces to be controlled by networkmanager.
[23:05] <gnubug> is there no way to configure this manually?
[23:05] <OerHeks> you have an option in networkmanager to do that
[23:06] <OerHeks> just dhcp, or ip, or both and more
[23:07] <gnubug> just using /etc/.../interfaces and wpasupplicant maybe guessnet or something like that
[23:08] <root1_> hello mate
[23:11] <Bray90820> Is it possible to boot ubuntu live without using an external device because all I have is a micro USB port
[23:11] <rypervenche> Bray90820: It is possible, yes.
[23:12] <Bray90820> rypervenche: How would I go about it
[23:12] <Bray90820> Actually it would also work if I could boot the live usb from grub
[23:14] <rypervenche> Bray90820: You can put the ISO somewhere and have it mount via a loop device.
[23:15] <Bray90820> rypervenche: Note all I can boot right now is windows 10
[23:15] <Bray90820> well windows 10 and grub
[23:15] <rypervenche> Bray90820: It would be a lot easier to get a USB converter.
[23:16] <Bray90820> rypervenche: I actually have an on the go cable but the tablet won't allow me to boot from usb
[23:20] <Keitaro> someone know why after a few minutes when i want to install ubuntu dual boot its block?
[23:20] <Keitaro> it is on a asus
[23:20] <Keitaro> laptop
[23:29] <gnubug> Thanks all!
[23:56] <daemon55> does anybody know how to stop my laptop from freezing?
[23:57] <LordLaravel> take it out of the freezer,


[06:55] <xubuntu08w> not sure if i'm in the right place but i'm looking for help getting openoffice installed on my chaletOS. new to linux
[10:27]  * xubuntu95i says Hello to all
[10:55] <xubuntu40d> xxxxxxxx
[10:55] <dom7800> xxx
[10:56] <xubuntu40d> 19.04  bug    no left handed mouse
[18:16] <glitchd> hello everyone
[18:16] <diogenes_> hi
[18:16] <glitchd> im trying to figure out what file i need to edit in order to change the font color of my desktop icons..
[18:16] <glitchd> any and all help would be appreciated
[18:17] <diogenes_> font color?
[18:20] <glitchd> yes, font color of the desktop icons.
[18:21] <diogenes_> never heard of that...
[18:23] <glitchd> well dang.
[18:23] <diogenes_> glitchd, just curious, where did you get that weird idea of changing font color for the icons?
[18:24] <glitchd> the font color in the folders appears to be black, while the font color of the desktop icons seems to be a dark grey. so that has me thinking that there is a configuration somewhere that i could tweak to change the colors.
[18:26] <diogenes_> maybe they look like that because of your background picture, try to change it or even look in: settings > appearance > fonts and add Sub-Pixel order to RGB
[18:35] <glitchd> diogenes_, ok, thx for the help
[18:45] <xubuntu40d> only way i  know to get a left handed mouse doesn't work
[18:50] <xubuntu40d> lh mouse in 19.4 ??
[19:55] <Thr0r> Hi. I tried to install xubuntu alongside my win7. Created bootable USB and booted and the installation started just fine. But it did not detect my win7 OS so I did not install it. Then I tried the Ubuntu studio and that install detected my win7 OS and I installed studio. Grub dualboot works fine. But is it possible to get/install the xubuntu desktop when studio is installed? ..with all its look and menus look and all, or does that requi
[19:55] <Thr0r> re a full new install? I like the xubuntu better...
[19:56] <Thr0r>   I used xubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso and ubuntustudio-19.04-dvd-amd64.iso
[19:58] <Thr0r> I was told by #xubuntu devel that it is possible - but had to ask here how to..
[21:00] <Kumool> Thr0r: xubuntu is just ubuntu with an xfce flavoring
[21:01] <Kumool> Thr0r: you can probably apt get install xubuntu-core and its dependencies if you want that flavoring
[21:02] <Kumool> so no need to reinstall if you already installed buntu
[21:04] <Thr0r> ok, but why you say "probably" ? not sure? I do not have space for a full new install along side of studio
[21:04] <Kumool> oh, apparently ubuntustudio already has xfce (never installed it), i fail to see why you would want xubuntu then
[21:05] <Thr0r> just the looks and menus
[21:05] <Kumool> which ones?
[21:06] <Kumool> if you have xfce, you can install icon themes and so on
[21:06] <Kumool> separately
[21:07] <Thr0r> Everything that the install of xubuntu has, I run xubuntu from an usb and I like it more... But I cannot seem to find all that in studio
[22:48] <xubuntu77i> Hi
[22:48] <xubuntu77i> this is so cool
[22:48] <xubuntu77i> is anyone there?
[22:48] <Unit193> Some people, sure.
[22:49] <xubuntu77i> cool.
[23:09] <friendlyGoat> hello, i was wondering if anyone at all knows what this error is caused by and how to fix it. it appeared after i upgraded to 19.04.
[23:09] <friendlyGoat> iwlwifi 0000:00:0c.0: BIOS contains WGDS but no WRDS
[23:10] <friendlyGoat> ping me so i can notice please


[00:33] <catbus1> travnewmatic: so it didn't get an IP address from the MAAS?
[02:55] <travnewmatic> catbus1, it did get an ip address from maas
[02:56] <catbus1> but it didn't get pxe files from MAAS?
[02:57] <travnewmatic> its like the maas server gave up on it after a certain period of time
[02:57] <travnewmatic> timed out
[02:58] <travnewmatic> ERROR	Wed, 18 Feb. 2015 16:55:46	Failed to power on node — Timeout after 7 tries
[02:58] <catbus1> it failed to power on the node
[02:59] <catbus1> back to power control IPMI again
[02:59] <catbus1> does the node respond to the manual ipmipower command?
[03:02] <travnewmatic> umm that i have not tried
[03:02] <travnewmatic> the node powers back on
[03:02] <travnewmatic> but like i said it does this bootloop thing
[03:02] <travnewmatic> it never makes it out of the bios
[03:03] <travnewmatic> and then after a while it does
[03:04] <catbus1> that sounds like a firmware issue
[03:04] <travnewmatic> yeah
[03:04] <travnewmatic> we dont make much of use of the dracs on those models
[03:05] <travnewmatic> so keeping them up to date isnt a priority
[03:05] <travnewmatic> is it an outdated thing you suspect or a misconfiguration, or both
[03:06] <catbus1> outdated I think, I would update the firmware. Most of the time it fixes all the odd issues. Do you have any other server than 1950?
[03:08] <travnewmatic> many many other types
[03:08] <travnewmatic> but it'd require some rearranging
[03:08] <travnewmatic> all dell
[03:08] <travnewmatic> i was thinking to try another model
[03:09] <travnewmatic> but we have a ton of these older 1950's just sitting around
[03:09] <travnewmatic> so it'd be pretty cool if we could get it to work on those
[03:09] <travnewmatic> not to mention we have ram out the ass for those
[03:09] <catbus1> In the first phase, the discovery/enlistment phase, MAAS would set a new IPMI username/password so it can power control the node from that point on. All you need to do is commission it and it will be ready to be deployed. You don't have to manually power on/off or change any BIOS settings.
[03:09] <travnewmatic> right
[03:10] <travnewmatic> then that will be my task for tomorrow
[03:10] <travnewmatic> figuring out how to update the firmware in the 1950's
[03:10] <catbus1> sounds fun
[03:10] <catbus1> don't brick any
[03:11] <travnewmatic> :D
[03:11] <travnewmatic> is there a way to check the version?
[03:12] <travnewmatic> i think i found it
[03:14] <travnewmatic> actually nope i didnt
[03:21] <travnewmatic> so i walked out there and checked
[03:21] <travnewmatic> "Remote Access Configuration Utility Copyright 2006 Dell Inc. All Rights Reserved 1.21"
[03:22] <travnewmatic> Baseboard management controller revision 1.77
[03:22] <travnewmatic> Primary backplane firmware revision 1.05
[03:27] <catbus1> I am not familiar with Dell servers.
[03:29] <travnewmatic> poop
[03:30] <travnewmatic> theres also this http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=CH9TW
[03:43] <travnewmatic> actually this seems to be the most relevant http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=D8GP9
[03:43] <travnewmatic> so i'm either going to need to install windows on it
[03:44] <travnewmatic> or hope that red-hat version also works with centos and install that
[03:50] <travnewmatic> again thanks for the help, i'll see what i can figure out tomorrow
[03:50] <travnewmatic> yall have a good rest of the day
[15:09] <nashville> can anyone give me a hand i am implementing a maas server and it all works it is just SUPER slow on loading boot-kernel any ideas anyone?
[15:09] <kiko> nashville, yes, sure
[15:10] <nashville> kiko hello old friend
[15:10] <kiko> nashville, very slow tftp suggests a networking problem
[15:10] <nashville> hmmm
[15:10] <kiko> things to look for
[15:10] <kiko> ifconfig drops errors
[15:10] <kiko> switch configuration throttling udp
[15:11] <kiko> the latter is VERY common if you are using a "good switch"
[15:11] <kiko> everything that could mess up IP traffic could apply here
[15:11] <kiko> MTU issues
[15:11] <kiko> etc
[15:11] <nashville> i have actually gotten it to register a node but cant get it to commission and it took forever to register
[15:11] <kiko> tftp is particularly sensitive
[15:12] <kiko> because it's a udp-only protocol
[15:12] <kiko> tcpdump on the server side can give you some hints
[15:12] <nashville> ok thats what i have been thinking it is too
[15:12] <nashville> time to look at the switches
[15:12] <kiko> if you can replace the switches and cables one by one
[15:12] <nashville> mtu should be like 1500 im guessing
[15:12] <kiko> and you'll find it
[15:12] <kiko> normally on a lan it's 1500
[15:12] <kiko> but some people have weirder setups
[15:12] <nashville> its running on a hyper-v virtual machine
[15:13] <kiko> oh!
[15:13] <nashville> thats where my server is
[15:13] <nashville> i was kinda wondering if i have something about the vm wrong
[15:13] <kiko> http://www.altaro.com/hyper-v/troubleshooting-the-hyper-v-virtual-switch-part-1/
[15:13] <kiko> https://mssecbyben.wordpress.com/2014/11/02/losing-udp-traffic-in-a-hyper-v-environment-with-nvgre-and-cant-explain-why/
[15:14] <kiko> nashville, j^2 and I spent a day looking at related problems and ended up replacing the NIC on the maas host which was dropping packets like crazy
[15:15] <nashville> like inside the server you replaced the actual hardware?
[15:15] <kiko> yes
[15:15] <kiko> ifconfig showed the way
[15:15] <j^2> nashville: yep, we went through the whole 7 layers and it turns out it was a layer 1 problem
[15:16] <nashville> ugh thats nasty i really hope thats not it
[15:17] <nashville> ok for some reason when i do ifconfig as the maas user it gives me problems
[15:18] <nashville> that doesnt matter it happens on my working server
[15:22] <kiko> nashville, sudo ifconfig -a
[15:22] <kiko> nashville, as your user may lack the right caps
[15:44] <nashville> after some reading thanks kiko i think my problem is vmq gonna disable that and retest and ill let you guys know thanks kiko
[16:10] <kiko> nashville, let me know if it works and I'll release note
[16:25] <nashville> @kiko well that was it buddy disabled vmq in hyper-v (2012r2) and its BLAZING now
[16:25] <nashville> you are the man/woman kiko thanks a ton
[16:25] <kiko> nashville, it's those pesky windows people
[16:25] <kiko> heh
[16:25] <kiko> enjoy
[16:25] <kiko> nashville, how many nodes?
[16:25] <kiko> and why did you chose to run maas inside hyper-v?
[16:25] <kiko> are you a windows shop?
[16:25] <nashville> right now just ten but it is easily going to climb to the thousands
[16:26] <nashville> no actually i dont know why they did it that way
[16:26] <kiko> hmm
[16:26] <kiko> it does make testing easier
[16:26] <nashville> basically i think they bought the server and didnt know what to do with it so they put 2012 on there and hyper-v
[16:26] <kiko> but not running on the bare metal can make the networking a bit more complex
[16:26] <kiko> I see
[16:26] <kiko> who is they, procurement?
[16:26] <nashville> im just a contractor here so i dont know the whole story
[16:26] <nashville> more like "engineering"
[16:27] <nashville> heh
[16:27] <kiko> heh
[16:28] <nashville> this makes twice you have saved me during this project kiko let me know where you would like your beer sent
[16:29] <kiko> nashville, I want a blog post actually :)
[16:29] <nashville> i could do that... but kiko, honestly i basically followed exactly what you sent me
[16:29] <nashville> specifically:
[16:30] <kiko> I know! but a blog post that says "maas works great" and "here were the gotchas" is great publicity
[16:30] <nashville> http://www.altaro.com/hyper-v/troubleshooting-the-hyper-v-virtual-switch-part-1/
[16:30] <nashville> part two
[16:30] <nashville> oh
[16:30] <nashville> yeah i can def do that!!!
[16:30] <kiko> i.e. something like I did for dhcp/dns here: http://kiko.ghost.io/things-i-wish-id-known-about-nsupdate-and-dynamic-dns-updates/
[16:30] <nashville> when i get off tonight ill write one up and put it in the chanel so you can see it
[16:32] <kiko> cool thanks!
[17:08] <jamespage> roaksoax, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1423626 fyi
[17:08] <jamespage> roaksoax, I spent most of today helping a guy in #juju who could not get his LXC containers to get network addresses :(
[17:10] <kiko> jamespage, hmm!
[17:10] <jamespage> kiko, my exact comment was "!!!eeek"
[17:11] <kiko> jamespage, I bet roaksoax would say "d-i is going away"
[17:12] <kiko> jamespage, but the actual bug if I understand your comment is with d-i, which by using biosdevname to install causes the interface to be named "incorrectly" based on the commissioning data
[17:12] <kiko> I guess the easiest solution would for d-i not to install biosdevname
[17:12] <kiko> well, but is that easy?
[17:12] <jamespage> incorrect/inconsistent
[17:13] <jamespage> kiko, I'm not convinced that MAAS is doing anything wrong - maybe Juju should be using MAC address and not name to identity the primary network interface ?
[17:14] <kiko> jamespage, perhaps, though I'm not sure maas encodes the interface name in its own logic in places
[17:14] <kiko> or not sure maas doesn't encode
[17:14] <kiko> at any rate, perhaps asking if juju /could/ do that to begin with might be a good starting point
[17:15] <kiko> as it's the place where it could be made more robust
[17:15] <kiko> i.e. the theme of accepting inputs liberally
[17:17] <dimitern> there's no way to get the NIC name by MAC address at the time juju is generating cloud-init userdata for the node AFAIK
[17:18] <jamespage> dimitern, kiko: in the new world:
[17:18] <jamespage> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdPredictableNetworkInterfaceNames
[17:18] <kiko> dimitern, isn't the agent running and able to issue an ifconfig -a?
[17:19] <jamespage> not sure whether we'll have that on by default for vivid - I'll check
[17:20] <dimitern> kiko, the agent is not yet running as is the machine - this happens at allocate/deploy time
[17:20] <dimitern> kiko, the agent however might do that once the machine boots
[17:20] <dimitern> kiko, but that's a bit nasty - there should be a maas api for it :)
[17:23] <kiko> dimitern, the problem is that the interface name might have changed
[17:23] <kiko> dimitern, so while we could return to you what maas thinks the interface name on the node is
[17:23] <kiko> that might have changed from commissioning to install
[17:23] <kiko> as in jamespage's case
[17:23] <dimitern> kiko, that's a fair point
[17:24] <jamespage> kiko, dimitern: no plans to enable that specific feature for vivid/systemd
[17:26] <kiko> dimitern, well, whatever code /is/ running on the machine could figure out what the interface name is
[17:26] <kiko> dimitern, what is running on the machine? an ssh session?
[17:29] <dimitern> kiko, juju polls the machine addresses as they become known via the cloud api and then tries to connect via ssh to all of them
[17:30] <dimitern> kiko, in order to do the initial bootstrap (e.g.install mongod etc.) and then starts jujud
[17:31] <jamespage> kiko, dimitern: ouch - I think I just re-opened old wounds in #ubuntu-devel
[17:31] <jamespage> apparently this was enabled by default for server d-i installs under some protest from the foundations team
[17:32] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1347859
[17:34] <dimitern> "predictable" seems like the wrong term here :)
[17:36] <roaksoax> jamespage: yes, it might indeed be a juju issue
[17:36] <jamespage> dimitern, 'accurate'
[17:36] <jamespage> the card in slot 1 port 1 will always be addressed the same
[17:36] <jamespage> irrespective of what actually plugged into it
[17:38] <kiko> jamespage, except most motherboards have on-board nics that are routed who knows how ;)
[17:38] <dimitern> jamespage, btw - I've just deployed a amd64 trusty node using d-i in my maas, and unlike before I can see "apt-cache policy biosdevname" is installed, but the NICs are still called ethX
[17:38] <kiko> dimitern, right, so in that ssh session could we not inter the interface name based on the MAC?
[17:40] <dimitern> kiko, it will be rather late then - we could do it when bootcmds are run to dump some data somewhere (maybe even the correct /etc/network/interfaces using the correct names)
[17:40] <dimitern> kiko, I've commented on about this suggestion on the bug, be we need to investigate
[17:40] <kiko> dimitern, uhh.. right. I am now beyond my understanding of the process :)
[17:40] <kiko> thanks :)
[17:42] <dimitern> kiko, np :) thanks for the discussion - it was very useful
[17:42] <kiko> thanks to you
[17:55] <travnewmatic> morning maas crew
[17:58] <kiko> morning travnewmatic
[18:00] <travnewmatic> got a bit of actual work today
[18:00] <travnewmatic> then will attempt to update the ipmi firmware stuff
[18:01] <travnewmatic> i'll have some help, my coworker is onboard the maas bandwagon, so i'm optimistic
[18:08] <kiko> travnewmatic, at least somebody's trying to help :) where did you leave off?
[18:09] <kiko> to isolate the issue, are you already able to control a machine via IPMI manually?
[18:09] <travnewmatic> well maas does have some control over the hardware through ipmi
[18:09] <travnewmatic> it can turn the machine on
[18:09] <travnewmatic> and can turn the machine off
[18:09] <travnewmatic> but theres some miscommunication going on
[18:09] <travnewmatic> i mentioned the bootloops
[18:09] <kiko> what is the latest symptom?
[18:10] <travnewmatic> the machine will be off after having checked in with maas
[18:10] <kiko> travnewmatic, you're on 1.7.1, right?
[18:10] <travnewmatic> uuuuuh
[18:10] <travnewmatic> how to check?
[18:10] <travnewmatic> i know i'm at least 1.7
[18:10] <kiko> dpkg -l | grep maas
[18:10] <kiko> but you should be if you used the PPA
[18:11] <travnewmatic> 1.7.1
[18:11] <kiko> great!
[18:11] <travnewmatic> woohoo! :D
[18:11] <kiko> tell me about these fruit loops
[18:11] <travnewmatic> lol
[18:11] <travnewmatic> so the machine will be off after having initially checked in with the maas server
[18:11] <travnewmatic> in the maas interface i'll hit commission
[18:11] <kiko> by checked in do you mean what we call enlist?
[18:11] <kiko> and you've accepted it into your pool?
[18:11] <travnewmatic> yes, the stage before commission
[18:12] <travnewmatic> so i'll click commission
[18:12] <travnewmatic> the machine will turn back on
[18:12] <travnewmatic> go halfway through the bios, then turn off, and then turn back on again
[18:12] <kiko> so far so good
[18:12] <travnewmatic> and it'll do that a few times
[18:12] <kiko> through the bios? i.e. not even attempt to pxe boot?
[18:12] <travnewmatic> doesnt make it that far
[18:12] <kiko> okay
[18:13] <kiko> this could be an issue with the fact we're telling it to network boot
[18:13] <kiko> do the NICs have netboot functionality available/enabled
[18:13] <travnewmatic> mmmm i would assume so, as it has been able to pxe boot before?
[18:13] <travnewmatic> are those different things?
[18:14] <kiko> it has?
[18:15] <kiko> I see, enlist was able to pxe boot of course
[18:15] <kiko> okay
[18:15] <kiko> so if you power the machine on manually it does pxe boot
[18:15] <kiko> but if maas tells it to power on it gets stuck mid-boot
[18:15] <kiko> travnewmatic, would it be hard to video and dropbox the symptom?
[18:15] <kiko> or illegal
[18:16] <travnewmatic> lol i dont think it'd be illegal
[18:16] <travnewmatic> i'd be happy to do that
[18:16] <kiko> that makes it less fun but more effective I guess
[18:16] <travnewmatic> though i wonder if it would be better for us to invest more time into updating the firmware to be current
[18:17] <kiko> right, let's do that first
[18:17] <travnewmatic> mhm
[18:17] <kiko> and then if you are still stuck we should get a video and a model number so I can check with the certification guys
[18:28] <travnewmatic> for sure
[18:30] <travnewmatic> this is actually kind of cool
[18:30] <travnewmatic> to think that i could contribute to the development of a peice of software used by people all over the planet
[18:37] <kiko> that's rather the essence of free software
[18:37] <travnewmatic> yeah!
[18:37] <kiko> it's why practically all of us got into it, really
[18:37] <travnewmatic> mhm
[18:37] <travnewmatic> my buddy here at work contributes as well
[18:37] <travnewmatic> as we work at a data center
[18:38] <travnewmatic> we've got hardware and bandwidth out the wazoo
[18:38] <travnewmatic> so he set up a mirror
[18:38] <travnewmatic> centos in this case
[18:39] <kiko> did you know maas can now provision centos?
[18:39] <kiko> j^2 is working on a knife cookbook that gets it all up and running
[18:39] <kiko> it's slightly unfortunate that maas is the gutter where all your hardware and networking problems run to
[18:39] <kiko> so while maas itself is probably working, your hardware seems to have a mind of its own :)
[18:40] <travnewmatic> yeah, i'm not holding maas accountable for our old janky out of date servers
[18:40] <kiko> YET
[18:40] <travnewmatic> hahah
[18:40] <kiko> but soon :)
[18:40] <travnewmatic> right :D
[18:40] <travnewmatic> but the centos thing is kind of a requirement for us
[18:40] <travnewmatic> most of the servers we provision are either centos or windows
[18:42] <travnewmatic> well i guess we're lucky in that ubuntu seems to have a good partnership with dell
[18:45] <kiko> with all the major vendors in reality
[18:45] <kiko> but indeed, we should be able to get any issues resolved if the hardware is relatively well supported
[20:19] <travnewmatic> so the adventure begins
[20:19] <travnewmatic> kiko, do you have any experience with what we're about to attempt :D
[20:28] <travnewmatic> kiko, http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=XCVN0&fileId=3078071536&osCode=LNUX&productCode=poweredge-1950&languageCode=EN&categoryId=ES
[20:28] <travnewmatic> its doing its thing!
[20:29] <travnewmatic> keep your fingers crossed
[20:34] <travnewmatic> http://imgur.com/5wgYMVK
[20:36] <travnewmatic> its doing the boot looping before it gets out of the bios
[20:37] <travnewmatic> but the firmware is upgraded
[20:39] <travnewmatic> still loopin
[20:39] <kiko> hmm
[20:39] <travnewmatic> but i'm watching the log and no maas error
[20:40] <travnewmatic> theres the error
[20:40] <travnewmatic> Feb 19 14:35:31 tnewman3 maas.power: [INFO] plain-desire.local: Power state
[20:40] <travnewmatic> has changed from unknown to on.
[20:40] <travnewmatic> Feb 19 14:39:55 tnewman3 maas.power: [ERROR] Error changing power state (on)
[20:40] <travnewmatic>  of node: plain-desire.local (node-a20f1e7a-b876-11e4-8a8d-0015c5ef85ed)
[20:40] <travnewmatic> Feb 19 14:39:55 tnewman3 maas.node: [INFO] plain-desire.local: Stopping moni
[20:40] <travnewmatic> tor: node-a20f1e7a-b876-11e4-8a8d-0015c5ef85ed
[20:40] <travnewmatic> Feb 19 14:39:55 tnewman3 maas.node: [ERROR] plain-desire.local: Marking node
[20:40] <travnewmatic>  failed: Timeout after 7 tries
[20:40] <travnewmatic> gonna try an R210
[20:41] <kiko> travnewmatic, could you get an actual video of a boot-up (i.e. from the time maas triggers the commission power-on) and /msg that to me?
[20:41] <kiko> I need to split tonight but I'll look later
[20:41] <kiko> thanks
[20:42] <travnewmatic> shore
[20:42] <travnewmatic> you have a good night!
[20:42] <travnewmatic> will post results!
[20:55] <travnewmatic> i think my troubles may have been related to spanning tree portfast not being enabled
[21:10] <travnewmatic> everything worked good on the R210
[21:10] <travnewmatic> now trying it again on the 1950 with the updated firmware and spanning tree portfast enabled on the port
[21:28] <travnewmatic> kiko, we're golden
[21:28] <travnewmatic> it appears spanning-tree portfast was the culprit
[21:50] <travnewmatic> and it also works on servers that do not have upgraded firmware
[21:51] <catbus1> good news
[21:52] <catbus1> travnewmatic: so you have 1950 commissioned successfully now?
[21:52] <travnewmatic> indeed!
[21:53] <travnewmatic> so, to do, centos, static ip's, subnets