[12:00] <funkyHat> mark_, did you see what ubotu said about ntfs?
[12:00] <mark_> funkyhat, I am still trying to get used to linux and before I completely switch over I am on a dual boot. My music is still on the NTFS partition. I did not just create one to put my music on so it would be a pain in the ass LOL
[12:00] <grayman> Dark-Druid, he has warty i think -_-
[12:00] <mark_> ubotu read my last to funkyhat
[12:00] <ubotu> mark_: I give up, what is it?
[12:00] <Dark-Druid> oh :)
[12:00] <kbrooks> ubotu: playwithbot =~ s/play with me/play with me in the channel/
[12:00] <ubotu> kbrooks: OK
[12:00] <funkyHat> mark_, i'll have ubotu send it to you as a /msg
[12:00] <Dark-Druid> sorry i'm pretty new to ubuntu ...
[12:00] <Phinite> I have a raid device in a server but I want to put Ubuntu on it.  unfortunately, after the os install, it simply doesn't boot correctly.  what do I need to look at?
[12:01] <pal> hi, is there anyone here who has configured bochs ?
[12:01] <tuxedo_kamen> Dark-Druid, I get this error: E: Impossvel encontrar o pacote j2sdk1.4
[12:01] <tuxedo_kamen>  <--- "impossible to find the package j2sdk1.4"
[12:01] <funkyHat> !tell mark_ about ntfs
[12:01] <pal> how do i configure it or where can i get config file for bochs?
[12:01] <mark_> funkyhat thanks
[12:01] <nalioth> ubotu: tell mark_ about ntfs
[12:01] <funkyHat> he already got it nalioth
[12:01] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: ubotu will help you
[12:01] <thalg> How can i install gdesklet in ubuntu whit APT-GET ???
[12:02] <Phinite> thalg: apt-get install ?
[12:02] <grayman> tuxedo_kamen, erm. did you find out wich ubuntu you have?
[12:02] <nalioth> thalg: "sudo apt-get install gdesklets"
[12:02] <Kartoffel> try with apt-cache search gdesklet if apt-get install can't find
[12:02] <thalg> Ok,
[12:03] <green_earz> hello and I hope some onecan help with my question. on the page >  http://www.tsf.org.za/index.php?option=content&task=blogsection&id=19   there a reference to " LearnLinux project " first pargrapha  but where do I find a link for this ? thanks all
[12:03] <guidan> sorry i still can't find  nautilus
[12:03] <tuxedo_kamen> hum... now I am havign a problem... despite clicking the download thing, the "Downloads" window is still empty!!! :|
[12:03] <Dark-Druid> tuxedo_kamen, sorry i guess i can't really offer any more help on the subject as i am pretty new to ubuntu and not totally sure what versions of java each release has or at what repositories carry what java packages..
[12:04] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: check your download directory
[12:04] <tuxedo_kamen> :| where is the default one?
[12:04] <Phinite> any help on booting to a highpoint 302?
[12:04] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: your home directory
[12:04] <pgA-PIN-> hey guys and gals could anyone tell me if I can run valve games on this linux OS? or do I have to pay for software to do it.
[12:04] <Phinite> I'd rather not raid it as i'd like to use the drives fully and then back them up
[12:05] <mark_> funkyhat, I have take the script you linked me to and saved it as a .sh file, which I think is what I was suppose to do. Can you confirm that?
[12:05] <tuxedo_kamen> nalioth, ok, thanks, just found it!
[12:05] <nalioth> mark_: which script is that?
[12:05] <thalg> Nope, i think I have some other adress in my sourses.list, but what adress ???
[12:05] <tuxedo_kamen> however, how can I make the downloads appear in the "Downloads" window?
[12:05] <funkyHat> mark_, just save it as the same filename as it had originally, although saving it as a .sh file shouldn't hurt
[12:05] <funkyHat> nalioth, the ntfs / fstab editor thingy
[12:05] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: if the download only lasts half-second, it wont show up
[12:05] <poningru> tuxedo_kamen: what are you talking about? in firefox?
[12:06] <pgA-PIN-> any idea on running valve games ?
[12:06] <tuxedo_kamen> yeah, but more than 60 MB don't take half-second! :|
[12:06] <nalioth> mark_: in *nix, it doesnt matter what suffix you use, but adding .sh to this on is ok (you still need to read it in a text editor)
[12:06] <tuxedo_kamen> poningru, yeah, i guess
[12:06] <Dark-Druid> tuxedo_kamen, depends on your connection :P
[12:06] <mark_> nalioth, funkyhat, I saved it as a .sh so now how do I run it
[12:06] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: did you get the file or the torrent?
[12:06] <funkyHat> mark_, read the file
[12:06] <tuxedo_kamen> fil,e 62 MB or something
[12:06] <kbrooks> mark_: sh foo.sh
[12:06] <funkyHat> kbrooks, he needs to read it first :P
[12:07] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: which ubuntu are you using? breezy or hoary?
[12:07] <tuxedo_kamen> hoary, I think
[12:07] <logan001101> what is the backport to download LIRC
[12:07] <pupil> how do I install jave runtime environment?
[12:07] <mark_> kbrooks, sadly I can't tell if you are helping or if that was a joke...
[12:07] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: did you open a terminal and type "lsb_release -a" ?
[12:07] <Almindor> how can I get libc sources is there a package?
[12:07] <_jason> !tell pupil about javadeb
[12:07] <mark_> funkyhat, nalioth, I see now thanks
[12:07] <kbrooks> mark_: i was helping
[12:07] <nalioth> ubotu: tell pupil about javadeb
[12:07] <logan001101> what is the backport to download LIRC
[12:07] <kbrooks> foo is just a example
[12:07] <tuxedo_kamen> -_- now I can't open a console! >_<
[12:07] <_jason> nalioth:  ha too slow
[12:07] <tuxedo_kamen> brb, sorry
[12:08] <funkyHat> mark_, kbrooks was helping :)
[12:08] <logan001101> what is the backport to download LIRC
[12:08] <mark_> kbrooks, I figured, it would have been the first time I had been ridiculed by an ubuntu user - felt like I was trying to learn on red hat again
[12:08] <kbrooks> funkyHat: lag? ;)
[12:08] <Almindor> how can I get libc sources is there a package?
[12:08] <ojpd> HELP!
[12:08] <funkyHat> kbrooks, only in my head
[12:08] <logan001101> HELP
[12:08] <logan001101> HELP
[12:08] <logan001101> what is the backport to download LIRC
[12:08] <kbrooks> ojpd: ask
[12:08] <ojpd> can anybody here help me please
[12:08] <pgA-PIN-> GAMES. I would like to run some Windows games on this linux OS . can anyone help me.
[12:08] <pgA-PIN-> I dont know how.
[12:08] <kbrooks> logan001101: dont repeat
[12:08] <_jason> logan001101:  if someone knows they will tell you
[12:08] <ojpd> I recently installed Breezy
[12:08] <kbrooks> ojpd: and?
[12:08] <ojpd> and my resolution is only 640x480
[12:08] <logan001101> ok find
[12:09] <kbrooks> ojpd: so set it
[12:09] <ojpd> it sucks coz back when i was using warty and hoary
[12:09] <tuxedo_kamen> hi
[12:09] <ojpd> i didnt have any probs
[12:09] <tuxedo_kamen> what was the command to see my version once again, please?
[12:09] <the--dud> hmm, ubuntu has no anon cvs?
[12:09] <ojpd> i cant set it coz the only option i have is 640x480
[12:09] <green_earz> haa I back again I think i found what I need > http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/index.html  and  thanks all
[12:09] <guidan> hi guys i'm trying to look for nautilus cd burn, i can find the folder but i can find the icon to excute it
[12:09] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: open a terminal and type "lsb_release -a"
[12:09] <eruin> anyone seeing nautilus crash on synaptic upgrades?
[12:09] <kbrooks> system ->  prefs -> screen res # tried that?
[12:09] <eruin> more specifically when applying changes?
[12:09] <Kartoffel> @pgA-PIN try wine
[12:09] <kevogod> ojpd: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg from terminal
[12:09] <ojpd> yeps! Tried that!
[12:09] <nalioth> guidan: see the File menu
[12:09] <tuxedo_kamen> LSB Version:    n/a
[12:09] <tuxedo_kamen> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[12:09] <tuxedo_kamen> Description:    Ubuntu
[12:09] <tuxedo_kamen> Release:        4.10
[12:09] <tuxedo_kamen> Codename:       warty
[12:09] <ojpd> ok il try it now
[12:10] <guidan> yes
[12:10] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: dont paste in here
[12:10] <the--dud> thought I'd look into some bugs... see if I could make some patches
[12:10] <kbrooks> tuxedo_kamen: pls dont paste in here
[12:10] <tuxedo_kamen> oh, ok, sorry -_-
[12:10] <kbrooks> tuxedo_kamen: you have warty sounds like
[12:11] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: read what ubotu just sent you (and consider upgrading. hoary is stable now)
[12:11] <tristanmike> nalioth, that is a sweet command
[12:11] <nalioth> tristanmike: which one is that?
[12:11] <djjason> I have a small problem...I am trying to run a shell script I created using tcsh and the script runs java.....but I always get a permission denied on the java/bin directory but I thought I had allready taken care of the permissions
[12:11] <icewt> anyone happen to know if there's a way to tell wget to download all *.mp3 -files that are linked in a certain webpage?
[12:11] <tristanmike> nalioth, to see the version, etc.
[12:11] <kevogod> Or you could wait until the 13th for Breezy.
[12:11] <nalioth> icewt: open a terminal, and type "man wget"
[12:12] <ojpd> how can I specify the Bus Identifier?
[12:12] <kevogod> ojpd, Leave it as the default.
[12:12] <tuxedo_kamen> -_- I tried his command, but it doesn't work either
[12:12] <aquarius> Is there a GUI CD burner that I can use to say "burn this list of files" which doesn't require me to know about SCSI 0,1,0-style device IDs and can do a burn unattended?
[12:12] <grayman> tuxedo_kamen, erm. its warty
[12:12] <ojpd> ok will try
[12:12] <grayman> tuxedo_kamen, no wonder
[12:12] <icewt> nalioth, i have. haven't found a way
[12:12] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: on warty warthog you'll have to visit the java wiki and build it yourself
[12:12] <tuxedo_kamen> it says something like.... the package is referenced by other one, but doesn't exit
[12:13] <grayman> tuxedo_kamen, you need to upgrade distro
[12:13] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: ubotu sent you the URL
[12:13] <ojpd> how much is 64mb of memory in kb?
[12:13] <kevogod> ojpd, Just leave it blank.
[12:13] <BioVorE> 64000 / 1024
[12:13] <kevogod> Actually, it is 64 * 1024
[12:13] <kbrooks> BioVorE: no, inaccurate measurement
[12:13] <icewt> nalioth, actually wget -r http://something and/or wget --mirror http://something should work, but in this particular case those don't seem to work
[12:14] <BioVorE> from sales man number
[12:14] <ojpd> use kernel frambuffer device interface??
[12:14] <ircuser9876> icewt: try something along the lines of  $ wget -r -nd --no-parent -A "*.mp3" http://www.site.com/mp3
[12:14] <mark_> what is the best DVD ripping program. I will also need to be able to burn the ripped file
[12:14] <tuxedo_kamen> hum, how can I upgrade to hoary?
[12:14] <nalioth> icewt: it can be done, my friend
[12:14] <mylastmorning> how do you run programs in wine?
[12:14] <mark_> tell tuxedo_kamen about horay upgrade
[12:15] <funkyHat> mylastmorning, generally double click on the program
[12:15] <ojpd> use kernel frambuffer device interface??  <-- yes or no???
[12:15] <tuxedo_kamen> :S he didn't tell me anything
[12:15] <mylastmorning> funkyHat, do I have to run wine while doing this?
[12:15] <funkyHat> mylastmorning, that should launch wine
[12:15] <tuxedo_kamen> ubotu, tell tuxedo_kamen about hoary upgrade
[12:15] <mylastmorning> ok thanks funkyHat.
[12:15] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: there is no such document
[12:15] <tuxedo_kamen> :S
[12:15] <tuxedo_kamen> so, how can I install it?
[12:16] <funkyHat> you can do it $ wine /path/to/app.exe but just opening the file in nautilus works just the same
[12:16] <kevogod> ojpd, No
[12:16] <kevogod> ojpd, Or yes, it don't really matter
[12:16] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: ubotu will send you a URL, and you can substitute 'hoary' for "breezy"
[12:16] <nalioth> ubotu: tell tuxedo_kamen about upgrade2breezy
[12:16] <propagandhi> tuxedo_kamen: its easy, update all references to warty to read hoary in the /etc/apt/sources.list file then do apt-get update and the apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:16] <httpdss> im wanting to install ubuntu on a 32MB RAM iMAC and i need some recomendations ... would xconfig (xfce4) work ok on so little ram ??
[12:17] <propagandhi> or sudo apt-get update etc
[12:17] <icewt> ircuser9876, thanks, i've already tried something like that though, but that's a bit different
[12:17] <edgarin> howto install library libgnomedb-2.so.3?????????????????
[12:17] <Stricklin> I still cannot install wine: "Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. E: Package wine has no installation candidate."
[12:17] <WiFiTux> anyone has a line for http proxy with apt-get? In apt.conf I assu,me?
[12:17] <nalioth> httpdss: buy more ram
[12:17] <ircuser9876> icewt: yeah, some sites seem to block all wget requests no matter what you do...
[12:18] <MMXGN> guys, when I am trying to install libfam0, libfam0-dev synaptic wants to remove the whole system, how can I avoid that?
[12:18] <WiFiTux> sososhomoone?
[12:18] <httpdss> nalioth: isnt there any WM which can work on 32MB RAM ??
[12:18] <MMXGN> (using breezy)
[12:18] <nalioth> httpdss: you can try *box
[12:19] <MMXGN> httpdss, wmaker
[12:19] <kevogod> ojpd, Still with us?
[12:19] <frank23> MMXGN: did you add strange repositories?
[12:19] <nalioth> httpdss: but i'd recommend more ram (it's cheap)
[12:19] <tuxedo_kamen> hum.... >_> listen... <_< hum... this is 500 MB of downloads, are you sure this will make my life with java easier?
[12:19] <ompaul> twm will
[12:19] <lakin> So, on the computer that my dad uses, (Hoary install from CD), whenever he runs firefox it puts a file called 'ver' with 1.0.2 on the desktop.   Any ideas why? And how I could fix that?
[12:19] <MMXGN> frank23, only the multiverse and stuff of breezy
[12:19] <tuxedo_kamen> (sorry to ask for this, but in portugal we have a monthly limit of 4 GB per month)
[12:19] <zeroverse> httpdss, use damn small linux
[12:19] <Dark-Druid> WiFiTux, you could try export http_proxy=http://yourproxy:port before running apt-get
[12:20] <propagandhi> tuxedo_kamen: how do you mean your life with java
[12:20] <frank23> MMXGN: it does the same for me in hoary
[12:20] <tuxedo_kamen> i just want to install the same java I have on university, and also install javadoc!
[12:20] <WiFiTux> Dark-Druid: nah, there is an option in apt.conf...
[12:20] <httpdss> k thx ...
[12:20] <Dark-Druid> tuxedo_kamen, you could maybe try downloading java from sun's website
[12:21] <tuxedo_kamen> i did that, but it doesn't seem to work!
[12:21] <WiFiTux> Dark-Druid: but that worked. :)
[12:21] <propagandhi> tuxedo_kamen: i installed from the sun website and it works fine for me
[12:21] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: visit shipit.ubuntu.com
[12:21] <propagandhi> tuxedo_kamen: its in your path right?
[12:22] <tuxedo_kamen> yeah, I installed it, but it doesn't work very good
[12:22] <`123> quick question: what do i have to do to get vlc or any other media player other than totem to play videos that are being accessed from another box?
[12:22] <propagandhi> tuxedo_kamen: and once you've visited that site, wait a few months and you'll have hoary
[12:22] <zeroverse> 123 how are you accessing them? through web interface or networking?
[12:22] <Dark-Druid> propagandhi, he might as well wait a few more days till breezy is available before ordering then :P
[12:22] <`123> networking
[12:22] <propagandhi> Hi _dr_nick_
[12:23] <_dr__nick_> hi everybody!
[12:23] <propagandhi> Dark-Druid: i totally agree
[12:23] <zeroverse> can't you just right click > properties > open with command line 'vlc'?
[12:23] <`123> no video
[12:23] <`123> :(
[12:23] <`123> i can hear sound fine, and if i copy it to this box i can view it perfectly fine
[12:24] <Phinite> is there a way, during install, to have the boot record written to a floppy?
[12:24] <tuxedo_kamen> i don't have a few months... I just need to install javadoc, I need to deliver this work by monday! :|
[12:24] <Dark-Druid> tuxedo_kamen, to get javadoc you need ant...
[12:24] <Dark-Druid> if i remeber correctly..
[12:24] <tuxedo_kamen> what's ant?
[12:25] <Phinite> a build tool.  quite handy actually
[12:25] <tuxedo_kamen> hum, how can I get it? synaptic?
[12:25] <Dark-Druid> the tool you use to build javadoc ...
[12:25] <Dark-Druid> how do you build javadoc documentation at the university?
[12:25] <zeroverse> 123, what exactly do you "open with"?
[12:25] <tuxedo_kamen> no idea, never tried it...
[12:25] <`123> yes
[12:26] <Dark-Druid> well in breezy ant is in synaptic
[12:26] <Dark-Druid> not sure if you have it or not..
[12:26] <Phinite> should be able to apt-get it though
[12:26] <Phinite> tuxedo_kamen: do an apt-cache search ant
[12:26] <zeroverse> 123, are you using breezy or an earlier version?
[12:26] <`123> horay 5.04
[12:26] <jrattner1> Anyone heard of you speakers making a noise when your phone is about to ring and ringing? (not purpesoley)
[12:27] <MMXGN> k solved it
[12:27] <zeroverse> and it says "vlc" not "vlc for GTK+"?
[12:27] <MMXGN> it was under libgamin0-dev
[12:27] <`123> vlc for gtk+, but i just type vlc in the command line option
[12:27] <Dark-Druid> jrattner1, is that a cell phone?
[12:27] <zeroverse> and it's not working?
[12:27] <zeroverse> with "vlc"?
[12:27] <zeroverse> just sound?
[12:27] <`123> no video :(
[12:27] <`123> yup, just sound
[12:27] <zeroverse> that's werid
[12:27] <Kyral> It should be VLC Media Player
[12:27] <`123> i only get video on totem :(
[12:28] <zeroverse> but if you copy it to your local machine, it works fine?
[12:28] <jrattner1> Dark-Druid, yes
[12:28] <`123> yes
[12:28] <Dark-Druid> jrattner1, its pretty normal i think ...
[12:28] <tuxedo_kamen> ok, I installed ant, what next?
[12:28] <jrattner1> but why would the cell phone interfere with the speakers
[12:28] <_dr__nick_> jrattner1: happens all the time here... try leaving it on top of a guitar amp...
[12:28] <Phinite> jrattner1: do you have bluetooth?  that messes with mine heavily
[12:28] <Dark-Druid> jrattner1, not sure of the physics .... something to do with frequencies i guess..
[12:29] <test34> jrattner1, your monitor could interfere with your radio, so I guess your cell phone could interfere with your speaker ;)
[12:29] <propagandhi> jrattner1: its totally common, it can also do it when your cell phone is communicating with the network - car stereo speakers etc get affected. Its just a part of life
[12:29] <jrattner1> Phinite, oh yeh, i have bluetooth but my girlfriends phone cause the interference as well
[12:29] <tuxedo_kamen> >_<
[12:30] <tuxedo_kamen> anyone, I just installed ant, now how can I install javadoc?
[12:30] <jrattner1> science is so crazy
[12:30] <Dark-Druid> tuxedo_kamen, sorry forgot to answer...
[12:30] <propagandhi> jrattner1: did you only just notice it does that?
[12:30] <zeroverse> 123 what speed is the network you're trying to transfer over?
[12:30] <Dark-Druid> tuxedo_kamen, its there.... you use ant javadoc to generate javadoc documentation
[12:30] <`123> 100mbps
[12:30] <Dark-Druid> of course i think you have to set up a proper ant build file ...
[12:31] <jrattner1> Propagandhi: I just got the speakers, they like mid range twenty dollar speakers from best buy
[12:31] <tuxedo_kamen> >_<
[12:31] <propagandhi> jrattner1: that could also be a contributing factor
[12:31] <tuxedo_kamen> i can't, it doesn't find build.xml
[12:31] <zeroverse> I'm mystified...but this might give you somewhere to start: http://www.videolan.org/doc/faq/en/index.html#id238615
[12:31] <Dark-Druid> tuxedo_kamen, that is the ant build file i just mentioned
[12:31] <war-totem> has anyone gotten battlefield 2 to work in ubuntu?
[12:31] <tuxedo_kamen> -_- sorry, but that sounds like chinese to me
[12:31] <`123> yeah, im stumped also :( forums and google have failed me :(
[12:32] <`123> ill check that out, thanks
[12:32] <Telonir> first question: ubuntu vs debian unstable?
[12:32] <Dark-Druid> hehe tuxedo_kamen maybe you should try the java channel or something :P
[12:32] <tuxedo_kamen> >_> any idea where is it?
[12:32] <Dark-Druid> Telonir, don't you think answers would be a little biased in this channel? :P
[12:32] <ompaul> Telonir, that is not a question, it is a sudo statement :-)
[12:33] <tuxedo_kamen> oh, nevermind >_>
[12:33] <Dark-Druid> tuxedo_kamen, not sure :P ... you could try and find some ant tutorials off google or something :P
[12:33] <ompaul> Telonir, is there a question in there, like which is better? or is it something else?
[12:33] <propagandhi> Telonir: obviously its a matter of opinion, but debian unstable is falling by the wayside
[12:33] <Telonir> Dark-Druid, dont care
[12:33] <propagandhi> Telonir: so i'd say ubuntu all the way
[12:33] <propagandhi> Telonir: and i've used most commonly used distros, i came back to ubuntu
[12:33] <Telonir> is it stable?
[12:34] <Dark-Druid> tuxedo_kamen, apparently i can't pm cause i am not registered
[12:34] <propagandhi> Telonir: i personally say YES
[12:34] <Telonir> ever used freebsd?
[12:34] <Dark-Druid> propagandhi, did you come crawling back? :P
[12:34] <propagandhi> Telonir: but like any distro, and even like M$ some people have problems here and there
[12:34] <ompaul> Telonir, there is a stable edition that is almost 6 months old, the next version is out 13th Oct, and yes I have used FreeBSD even the 5.x series
[12:35] <propagandhi> Dark-Druid: i came back with my head hanging down saying, I knew i should have stayed on ubuntu instead of madly testing every distro available to mankind
[12:35] <Phinite> I have just installed ubuntu onto a system that uses a raid controller and now at the reboot, it won't boot.  what can I do?
[12:35] <ompaul> Telonir, and I used 0.95 iirc
[12:35] <ompaul> or .99
[12:35] <Telonir> freebsd was great but made a lot of trouble with linux compat libs
[12:35] <propagandhi> Telonir: i have used FreeBSD- NetBSD-PCBSD, Suse, Slack, fedora, frugalware, ark, arch, a-linux you name it
[12:35] <Telonir> 5.10 preview=?unstable?
[12:36] <Suepahfly> anyone else here having problem with updateing firefox thrrough synaptic ?
[12:36] <nalioth> Telonir: it releases oct 13
[12:36] <Telonir> debian too?
[12:36] <djjason> can someone help...I am trying to run a java program through tcsh and I always get a permission denied error on the java/bin directory
[12:36] <propagandhi> Telonir: i love FreeBSD, but it just cant do everything i want easily, and i need to be productive
[12:36] <httpdss> Phinite: Check logs
[12:36] <Dark-Druid> propagandhi, you should try gentoo :P
[12:36] <ompaul> Telonir, offically yes unofficially it is rock solid afaics
[12:36] <propagandhi> Dark-Druid: i did
[12:36] <Telonir> nalioth, so whats with the preview thingie?
[12:36] <propagandhi> for a long time
[12:36] <Dark-Druid> ah ok :)
[12:36] <Dark-Druid> thats where i am coming from now..
[12:36] <propagandhi> Dark-Druid: but got sick of the compile time
[12:36] <propagandhi> and the temptation to tweak and fiddle to make the ultimate efficient OS
[12:37] <ompaul> Telonir, its RC
[12:37] <propagandhi> it just wasnt worth the time
[12:37] <Dark-Druid> propagandhi, yeah that was my main problem...
[12:37] <Dark-Druid> i loved tweaking and messing around..
[12:37] <kevogod> FreeBSD is more productive than Gentoo.
[12:37] <Telonir> release candidate?
[12:37] <Phinite> httpdss... given that I can't boot the computer, how?
[12:37] <propagandhi> when ubuntu is damn fast for me anyway
[12:37] <Dark-Druid> and ended up with a very unstable system
[12:37] <ompaul> Telonir, final rc at that
[12:37] <Phinite> that's the problem I'm having.
[12:37] <Phinite> I just want to boot
[12:37] <kevogod> Plus, their site was redesigned.
[12:37] <Telonir> freebsd has binary packages :)
[12:37] <zeroverse> prop, that's how i feel about all the distros.  Ubuntu (breezy) is the one distro that installed with zero problems--and that saves alot of time
[12:37] <propagandhi> i got so sick of having to rebuild the system around itself every time i made a significant change
[12:37] <Phinite> no ide drives, just serial ata
[12:37] <ompaul> Telonir, so has ubuntu about 17.5k of them
[12:38] <propagandhi> zeroverse: couldnt agree with you more
[12:38] <Telonir> well debian based stuf is bin-packages based...
[12:38] <propagandhi> and i like an OS that has good hardware detection, so i dont need to fiddle to get my best resolution etc
[12:38] <kevogod> FreeBSD has proprietary binary packages.
[12:38] <kevogod> There.
[12:38] <propagandhi> even gentoo has the ebuilds etc
[12:38] <ompaul> Telonir, are you trolling or is there a point to this?
[12:39] <Telonir> in fbsd its simple to use both binary and source
[12:39] <Telonir> going to try ubuntu
[12:39] <Phinite> can anyone help?  I really want to get this system up and running
[12:39] <zeroverse> right...i have a big lcd monitor and when i tested xandros out it wouldn't even boot!  ubuntu got the native res and mhz right on first boot.  I was impressed
[12:39] <propagandhi> Telonir: try it and you will be happy i believe
[12:39] <grayman> anyone else get an error in breezy when does System-> About Ubuntu?
[12:39] <ompaul> Telonir, so grab the live CD for 5.10 check it out
[12:39] <Telonir> tried so far: an old RH, freebsd,debian, and now fedora.
[12:39] <dmk> grayman, its a known bug. cant remember the number
[12:39] <Telonir> why live cd..?
[12:39] <propagandhi> zeroverse: same here, on Dell Inspiron 5150 (1400x1050) and HP DV4000 (1280x800)
[12:39] <grayman> dmk, ah
[12:40] <grayman> dmk, thought that it maybe me broke something again
[12:40] <Telonir> gonna try the real thing
[12:40] <httpdss> Phinite: does recovery mode work ??
[12:40] <ompaul> Telonir, great, I would say pop in 5.10
[12:40] <Phinite> how do I do that httpdss?
[12:40] <Phinite> from the install cd?
[12:40] <Phinite> is there a way?
[12:40] <misfit_toy> anybody else have their amaroK broken in the last 2 days? mine got whacked on tuesday's update
[12:40] <propagandhi> Telonir: i dont mind the redhat based systems to some degree, but the package tools are crap
[12:41] <zeroverse> ompaul i didn't get an error...there's just no doc to load it looks like
[12:41] <dmk> grayman, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16982
[12:41] <telemaco> has anyone problems with nautilus-sendto in breezy ?
[12:41] <grayman> dmk, thanks
[12:41] <ompaul> zeroverse, that was not for me :)
[12:41] <Telonir> fedora (imho) is slower than debian
[12:41] <zeroverse> ompaul, i think they'll have an "about" file ready on the realease date
[12:41] <Telonir> and its huge
[12:41] <Telonir> 2.4gb vs 1.1 on deb
[12:41] <misfit_toy> Telonir, yes it is, but it's a nice distro.
[12:41] <propagandhi> Telonir: absolutely, and way too bloated
[12:41] <httpdss> Phinite: from grub
[12:41] <Kartoffel> if I enable a client with Xhost, does this client also stay until the next reboot?
[12:42] <httpdss> Phinite: or lilo
[12:42] <Phinite> httpdss: I can't get to grub, it's not seeing a hard drive.  hmm, is there a way to make an ubuntu boot floppy in windows?
[12:42] <Phinite> that might get me there
[12:42] <ompaul> zeroverse, this seems a little left field for me, can you give me a context?
[12:42] <misfit_toy> so nobody here had amaroK nuked from the latest updates? I've removed and reinstalled and still get this wacky error:
[12:42] <misfit_toy> amaroK: [Loader]  Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp.
[12:42] <misfit_toy> amaroK: [Loader]  amarokapp probably crashed!
[12:42] <darkmodem> Hello all
[12:43] <mark__> Hey guys, could you tell me what a good DVD Ripping program is?
[12:43] <crimsun> misfit_toy: as I stated last night, it works fine here
[12:43] <mark__> Hey guys, could you tell me what a good DVD Ripping program is?
[12:43] <nalioth> mark__: dvdrip
[12:43] <misfit_toy> crimsun, thanks but I was hoping someone else had this issue. ;)
[12:43] <darkmodem> mark_> try drip
[12:43] <misfit_toy> weird
[12:43] <mark__> nalitoth, thanks, what do you think about darkmodem suggesting drip?
[12:43] <misfit_toy> wth is valgrind anyway? lol
[12:43] <crimsun> misfit_toy: apt-cache show valgrind
[12:44] <mark__> nalioth, thanks, what do you think about darkmodem suggesting drip?
[12:44] <Phinite> hmm, I could make an ubuntu boot cd, that might do it, manually edit the boot that way
[12:44] <nalioth> mark__: if it works, use it
[12:44] <propagandhi> Phinite: any live cd would do if you have one handy
[12:44] <tuxedo_kamen> hum, can anyone teach me how to use the path environment variables?
[12:45] <misfit_toy> crimsun, is that something that can be safely removed? could that be the issue? (valgrind)
[12:45] <mark__> nalioth, I do not see DVDRIP in Synaptic and that is the only way I know how to install a program
[12:45] <propagandhi> tuxedo_kamen: permanently modify or temporarily
[12:45] <nalioth> ubotu: tell tuxedo_kamen about cli
[12:45] <tuxedo_kamen> permanentely
[12:45] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: read up with what ubotu posted
[12:45] <crimsun> misfit_toy: valgrind is not installed by default
[12:45] <nalioth> mark__: do you have all your sources enabled?
[12:45] <Suepahfly> Don't know if you poeple have seen this, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1  the longest liveing 'bug' in Ubuntu :)
[12:46] <basti__> anyone got any idea why the sound in gaim sounds awful?
[12:46] <misfit_toy> oh well, I guess back to xmms for me, maybe it will fix itself some day, if a remove and reinstall doesn't fix it then something in the updates broke it. I haven't loaded anything here lately.
[12:46] <httpdss> Phinite: you could also try a floppy with grub on it
[12:46] <propagandhi> tuxedo_kamen: try looking at the second post or so here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1586.html
[12:46] <ompaul> Suepahfly, yeap it is being tackled every day in some little and big way
[12:47] <zeroverse> misfit toy you might also try beep-media-player
[12:48] <zeroverse> apparrently the guys at beep-media-player update the software much more often and you can still use your xmms skins if you want
[12:48] <tuxedo_kamen> -_-
[12:48] <darkmodem> I'm having a problem compiling a kernel..  When I do a 'make menuconfig' I get this: "gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc-3.4: command not found"
[12:48] <tuxedo_kamen> sorry to tell you this, but what the bot and everyone told me just sounded like chinese to me!
[12:49] <nalioth> darkmodem: edit your gcc-version.sh
[12:49] <Shorty`> apt-get install build-essential
[12:49] <Shorty`> :>
[12:49] <Shorty`> ah, that'd work too
[12:49] <mark__> nalioth, when I click on repositories I only see two items in there, Breezy Badger (bianary) and security updates (bianary)
[12:49] <Shorty`> :P
[12:49] <crimsun> he should really install gcc-3.4
[12:49] <darkmodem> cool.  thanks.  I thought I was on 4.0 anyway
[12:49] <thalg> How to install Icon-themes in Gnome ??
[12:49] <httpdss> Phinite: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/system/recovery/!INDEX.html
[12:50] <nalioth> ubotu: tell mark__ about sources
[12:50] <erirlar> hi, is there a cover downloader for gnome out here?
[12:50] <nalioth> darkmodem: you can install gcc-3.4
[12:50] <nalioth> erirlar: a what?
[12:50] <Telonir> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[12:50] <dmk> gcc-4.0 comes as default, install gcc-3.4
[12:50] <chavo> thalg, you can drag them to the theme details window
[12:50] <dmk> then you can export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4
[12:50] <propagandhi> darkmodem, if you are on 4.0 and you still have the error -  do 'export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4/' and then try again
[12:50] <thalg> Ok, tnx..
[12:50] <propagandhi> dmk: woops sorry
[12:50] <chavo> thalg, or decompress them in ~/.icons
[12:50] <erirlar> nalioth: a cover downloader for music albums
[12:51] <mylastmorning> how do you get the wmv codecs?
[12:51] <mylastmorning> anyone know?
[12:51] <nalioth> erirlar: i have no clue. try www.gnome-look.org or whatever it's called (maybe gnome-files.org)
[12:51] <Xenguy> !w32codecs
[12:51] <ubotu> from memory, w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy)
[12:52] <tuxedo_kamen> let me put this straight... >_> what file do i need to edit in order to add something to the path environment variable?
[12:52] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: your .bashrc
[12:52] <darkmodem> thanks propagandhi.  doing that now.
[12:52] <grayman> mylastmorning, codex for what?
[12:52] <tuxedo_kamen> and where can I find it?
[12:52] <grayman> tuxedo_kamen, home dir
[12:52] <Xenguy> tuxedo_kamen: or, for a global config, /etc/profile
[12:52] <nalioth> tuxedo_kamen: its in /home/tuxedo_kamen/
[12:52] <mylastmorning> for the wmv video format grayman
[12:52] <nalioth> Xenguy: not a good idea to change system files
[12:52] <grayman> mylastmorning, yeah, but for what player?
[12:53] <Xenguy> nalioth: not a good idea to customize your own boxen?  What do you mean - why?
[12:53] <dmk> mylastmorning, if you are using totem-gsteamer you will need it pitfdll plugin too
[12:54] <mylastmorning> I'm using totem.
[12:54] <mylastmorning> grayman, dmk I am using totem.
[12:54] <dmk> mylastmorning, default totem?
[12:54] <mylastmorning> yes dmk
[12:54] <agentfelix> is there a way to install ubuntu without creating a boot cd?
[12:54] <Phinite_2> that was fun
[12:54] <mahangu> agentfelix, any operating system needs to boot to install mate, even windows
[12:55] <dmk> mylastmorning, install gstreamer0.8-pitfdll too
[12:55] <tristanmike> mylastmorning, for wmv it's in the w32 codes, but it won't play new wmv and if you 64 bit, it doesn't play wmv9 yet, as I understand it
[12:55] <mahangu> agentfelix, you can probably boot from a floppy and THEN boot cd, but ull need a boot cd nevertheless
[12:55] <zeroverse> you can technically boot from a memory stick or over a network
[12:55] <basti__> how do I change which keyboard layout that is used at loginscreen ?
[12:55] <agentfelix> ok how can i make a ubuntu boot floppy
[12:55] <agentfelix> it wont boot from cd
[12:55] <mark__> nalioth I did what that link you sent me said to but it still does not give me the package in my screen. I think I deleted it off the list earlier today and I have to add with apt line, is that right?
[12:55] <agentfelix> i wrote 5.04 to a cd
[12:55] <darkmodem> hey propaghandi, what do I do with that 'export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4/'?  I tried it from a terminal but nothing happened..  do I need to paste that somewhere?
[12:56] <propagandhi> darkmodem: you just execute that
[12:56] <dmk> darkmodem, drop the trailing / though
[12:56] <darkmodem> that's what I thought..
[12:56] <propagandhi> so long as you have gcc-3.4 installed
[12:56] <darkmodem> k
[12:56] <propagandhi> yeah sorry left that / in
[12:56] <zeroverse> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28948.html << boot w/o CD
[12:57] <Shorty`> we use usb2 cdrom caddys
[12:57] <Shorty`> :>
[12:57] <Shorty`> for machines we can't be arsed installing cdroms in
[12:57] <zeroverse> agentfelix have you changed your bios so that it checks the cd rom first?
[12:57] <mylastmorning> tristanmike, where can i get w32 codecs?
[12:57] <mark__> how do I access sources.list?
[12:57] <mark__> how do I access sources.list?
[12:58] <basti__> mark__, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:58] <mahangu> agentfelix, im sorry i cant go in to that, studying for an exam, but someone here willl be able to help you
[12:58] <kevogod> How do you permanently block pop-ups in Epiphany, every time I turn them off, when I restart the program it changes back to the default value.
[12:58] <Kris_k> Trying to play a dvd movie but hte playback is all glitchy and slow, it says DMA is enabled and i have the FGLRX driver installed, x800 vidcard 64 bit cpu, Steaming Video plays fine
[12:58] <tristanmike> !tell mylastmorning about w32codecs
[12:58] <mahangu> mark__, ask once and wait, someone HAS seen you and will reply
[12:58] <green_earz> mark__: or apt-setup  and pick the edit option
[12:58] <airmikey> i get this error when i log into gnome: could not look up internrt address for ubuntu this will prevent gnome from operating correctly it may be possible to correct the problem by adding ubuntu to the file /etc/hosts.
[12:59] <basti__> how do I change which keyboard layout is used at loginscreen ?
[12:59] <mark__> mahangu, sorry I will wait before resending
[12:59] <darkmodem> hmm..  no luck with that command.  I hate to think that I need to downgrade my compiler
[01:00] <war-totem> airmikey, i had that problem in redhat, but it never affected anything
[01:01] <airmikey> i cant connnect to the internet
[01:01] <agentfelix> the website on how to install ubuntu without a floppy works but the file pages to download the needed files doesn't work.
[01:01] <Kris_k> Trying to play a dvd movie but hte playback is all glitchy and slow, it says DMA is enabled and i have the FGLRX driver installed, x800 vidcard 64 bit cpu, Steaming Video plays fine
[01:01] <agentfelix> doesn't anyone know how i can install ubuntu?
[01:01] <war-totem> airmikey, oh, one sec
[01:02] <mahangu> airmikey, go to System -> Admin -> Networking
[01:02] <mahangu> see if your network adapters are setup,
[01:02] <mahangu> are you on ethernet or wifi?
[01:02] <Kris_k> agentfelix did you try mirrors
[01:02] <mahangu> Kris_k, i had some problems, i switched to xine-ui
[01:02] <agentfelix> wasn't any
[01:02] <mahangu> works w/o a hitch
[01:02] <agentfelix> was only direct hot links
[01:02] <Kris_k> mahangu VLC and Mplayer are both playing it crappy
[01:03] <agentfelix> i have the ISO i used nero to BURN the image
[01:03] <mahangu> Kris_k, try xine-ui
[01:03] <airmikey> ok had to boot into openbox..gnome wont boot
[01:03] <Kris_k> mahangu i can get that to work its weird lol
[01:03] <mahangu> airmikey, jump back to console and do /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[01:03] <mahangu> or stop
[01:03] <mahangu> start
[01:03] <mahangu> Kris_k, heh, same problem yesterday, fixed with xine-ui
[01:04] <Kris_k> Mahangu i have the xine-ui but it complains something about the engine
[01:04] <war-totem> airmikey, try this cat /etc/hostname
[01:04] <mahangu> Kris_k, you need g-streamer, libdvdcss2 and libdvdnav2
[01:04] <mahangu> apt them
[01:04] <mark__> green_earz when I did apt-setup it told me I needed the Ubuntu CD, that didn't seem right so I did it the other way, but shoudl I be worried over the error?
[01:04] <mahangu> agentfelix, wont your bios support cd bootin?
[01:04] <war-totem> airmikey, cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts.backup
[01:05] <mahangu> mark__, open sources.list comment out the ubuntu cd line
[01:05] <mahangu> first link i think
[01:05] <mahangu> brb
[01:05] <bimberi> agentfelix: have you seen this method? - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto
[01:05] <war-totem> airmikey, actually look at this: www.thelinuxreview.com/entry.lxp?xpe=312
[01:05] <jmg> guys i need to rerun grub from a chroot but i am getting an error
[01:05] <mark__> mahangu, ok thanks
[01:05] <mark__> mahangu, I comment using # right?
[01:05] <jmg> mount: special device /dev/mapper/vg-home does not exist
[01:05] <airmikey> ok im in networking
[01:06] <agentfelix> its not my bios
[01:06] <agentfelix> just got the motherboard
[01:06] <war-totem> check out that website, it seems a lot of linux distros have the same problem
[01:06] <agentfelix> its a 2004 plus i flashed the bios with september updates
[01:06] <Lars_G> !java
[01:06] <ubotu> it has been said that java is to install both 1.4 and Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[01:07] <Kris_k> apt-get cant find those packages mahangu
[01:07] <mark__> ok so I just installed dvdrip with Synaptic and now I cannot find where to launch it
[01:07] <mahangu> Kris_k, universe
[01:08] <mahangu> i may have spelth them wrong
[01:08] <mahangu> mark__, gnome foot -> run
[01:08] <Kris_k> universe
[01:08] <mahangu> drip
[01:08] <jack-> which repository is opera in?
[01:08] <mahangu> or command line, drip
[01:08] <jrattner1> does breezy have better wifi support, not for hardware, but software wise that makes accessing wifi's easier
[01:08] <jack-> cant find it..
[01:08] <mahangu> jack-, opera is not in repos
[01:08] <jack-> oh
[01:08] <mahangu> ubotu tell jack about opera
[01:08] <jack-> thx
[01:08] <mahangu> np
[01:08] <mahangu> ok screw this, im getting distracted
[01:08] <mahangu> off to study guys, laters
[01:09] <mark__> mahangu, I typed gnome foot -> run and it said command not found
[01:09] <mahangu> mark__, try console
[01:09] <mahangu> or see if it's actually installed
[01:09] <mahangu> mark__, ask someone else here, im out, good luck! :D
[01:09] <Lars_G> Hi Seveas, how do you fare?
[01:09] <Ersai> is there something wrong with the apt archives?
[01:09] <mark__> mahangu, thanks buy
[01:09] <jrattner1> does breezy have better wifi support, not for hardware, but software wise that makes accessing wifi's easier?
[01:09] <mark__> Ok someone help me. I installed dvdrip and now I don't know how to run it
[01:10] <darkmodem> propagandhi - with that 'export' command, what file gets affected?  I'd like to see it.  /etc/ I presume?
[01:10] <grayman> mark__, you can find that package in synaptic and see what files and where it installed by right clicking and choosing options
[01:10] <Ersai> mark__ open a shell and type dvdrip --help or man dvdrip
[01:10] <bimberi> jrattner1: i understand it has networkmanager which makes managing wifi easier
[01:11] <mark__> Ersai thanks that worked,
[01:11] <jrattner1> bimberi, where did you find information about this?
[01:11] <jmg> guys what i need to do is access lvm from within my chroot
[01:11] <nalioth> whats a good program to see realtime network usage?
[01:11] <grayman> properties i mean
[01:11] <grayman> or that
[01:11] <jmg> i am getting this error /dev/mapper/vg-shockwave: not found or not a block device
[01:11] <bimberi> jrattner1: oh though lurking on some random irc channel called #ubuntu :)
[01:11] <Ersai> I am having problems accessing the apt archive. Is there something wrong with it?
[01:11] <budreefer> hallooo al
[01:12] <budreefer> all
[01:12] <budreefer> any1 home?
[01:12] <agentfelix> can anyone help me install ubuntu...with a reasonable logical answer?
[01:12] <jrattner1> bimberi, i hope WIFI software sucks right now, its very tedious to choose networks and such
[01:12] <budreefer> sure i can help u agentfelix lol
[01:12] <budreefer> what is your problem?
[01:12] <Kyral> define logical
[01:12] <budreefer> lol nice
[01:12] <windex> agentfelix, define reasonable, logical. i may not be able to help. :)
[01:12] <delltony> anyone mind pasting their repository list to a pastesite please for some reason i can't find mplayer plugin and other things and i have all my repositories in the DEFAULT breezy sources.list enabled
[01:12] <bimberi> jrattner1: FYI here's the wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager
[01:13] <budreefer> hey tell me something guys....with the default ubuntu install straight from the cd, why is there no prompt to input pass for root??
[01:13] <nalioth> ubotu: tell delltony about sources
[01:13] <jrattner1> thanks bimberi
[01:13] <stpere> budreefer, use sudo
[01:13] <budreefer> dunno sudo
[01:13] <agentfelix> i want to install ubuntu
[01:13] <Ersai> root doesnt use a password its disabled. use sudo -s to get a root shell instead
[01:13] <jack-> ubotu: tell jack- about opera
[01:13] <agentfelix> how do i go about that
[01:13] <delltony> thans
[01:13] <jack-> ubotu: tell jack- about sources
[01:13] <jmg> how can i reinstall grub from outside my chroot then
[01:13] <delltony> thanks even
[01:13] <budreefer> o nice
[01:13] <bimberi> jrattner1: yw :)
[01:13] <budreefer> any reason they disabled root?
[01:14] <Ersai> security and simplicity of one password to rule them all
[01:14] <nalioth> budreefer: safety
[01:14] <budreefer> yeah looks pretty sweet ;) thanks for help
[01:14] <nalioth> anyone know of a realtime network analyzer (wanna see whats talking to whom)
[01:14] <Ersai> budreefer: you can enable it by setting a password for it if you wish
[01:15] <budreefer> yeah thats what i did last time
[01:15] <budreefer> i just loaded my other linux
[01:15] <bimberi> root disabled also means less questions during the install :)
[01:15] <Ersai> nalioth: ethereal
[01:15] <budreefer> and used chroot then passwd
[01:15] <budreefer> but...
[01:15] <budreefer> even then the login says root is no good as a name
[01:15] <budreefer> not sure what is missing thar
[01:15] <green_earz> nalioth: iptraf
[01:15] <nalioth> Ersai: ethereal requires parsing at a later time. i dont wish to capture packets
[01:16] <Ersai> nalioth: ahh... shows you how much i know.
[01:16] <budreefer> how would you go about enabling root on my system?
[01:16] <budreefer> not that i really want it hehe
[01:16] <jrattner1> bimberi that think looks cool
[01:16] <Ersai> budreefer: sudo -c 'passwd'
[01:16] <Total> Whats up everyone
[01:16] <rob_p> nalioth:  tcpdump works for me.
[01:17] <bimberi> jrattner1: so do i - looking forward to trying it out myself :)
[01:17] <budreefer> sez the -c is an illegal option for sudo ;)
[01:17] <stpere> sudo passwd
[01:17] <Total> Does anyine know when Edubuntu is releasing?
[01:17] <Ersai> err -c is for su not sudo... sorry...
[01:17] <stpere> the password that will be asked is your current user password
[01:17] <budreefer> nice
[01:17] <budreefer> yeah i got that from using sudo just before thanks stpere
[01:18] <Kris_k> i can freaking compile anything or get anything with apt-get
[01:18] <nalioth> anyone know a network analyzer that shows the programs accessing the network?
[01:18] <Total> yes netsharechk
[01:18] <pawel> nice, finally got acpi, wifi, bluetooth and my printer working. :>
[01:18] <Ersai> kris_k: almost
[01:18] <basti__> how can I change the keyboard layout at login?
[01:18] <Kris_k> i cant *
[01:19] <cevizoglu> can ubuntu breezy boot from external usb2 on a thinkpad?
[01:19] <pawel> brb
[01:19] <nalioth> anyone know a network analyzer that shows the programs accessing the network?
[01:20] <crimsun> cevizoglu: yes
[01:21] <stpere> nalioth, sure
[01:21] <stpere> nalioth, netstat -p
[01:21] <`123> another quick question: ive been searching the ubuntu forums for problems similar to mine, and found two posts from people that had the exact problems that i have. the only problem is that they have 0 replies :( is the solution simple or is there no solution. http://tinyurl.com/ckfr4 http://tinyurl.com/82v23
[01:21] <crimsun> cevizoglu: it can also boot via pxe
[01:21] <Kris_k> This is the error i get when i ./configure xine-lib
[01:21] <Kris_k> For some reason, the requirements for building the X11 video
[01:21] <Kris_k> output plugins are not met. That means, that you will NOT be
[01:21] <Kris_k> able to use the resulting xine-lib to watch videos in a window
[01:21] <Kris_k> on any X11-based display (e.g. your desktop).
[01:21] <Kris_k> If this is not what you want, provide the necessary X11 build
[01:21] <Ersai> Why would i get an Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused) [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[01:21] <Ersai>  every time i try to do apt-update?
[01:21] <Kris_k> dependencies (usually done by installing a package called
[01:21] <Kris_k> XFree86-devel or similar) and run configure again.
[01:21] <mylastmorning> !repositories
[01:21] <ubotu> repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy))
[01:21] <rob_p> nalioth:  "netstat -tpln" will show you the pid/program name accessing the port, etc.  Does that help?
[01:22] <Kris_k> what are the requirements for building on X11 ?
[01:23] <zerouser> hello
[01:24] <zerouser> is it possible to upgrade from 5.04 to 5.10 without loosing configuration information?
[01:25] <rulebraker> im hoping i have come to the right place
[01:25] <rulebraker> is this the place for ubuntu support?
[01:25] <Ersai> apt is simply a connection to port 80 right?
[01:27] <stpere> damn.. my nvidia driver is locking down my machine
[01:27] <Dreamglider> is the post/topic
[01:27] <kbrooks> rulebraker: ask
[01:27] <rulebraker> does anybody know what to do when this happens when i run apt-get for anything (Segmentation Faulty Tree... 73%) i think i fixed it before by removing something but i cant remember what
[01:29] <Dreamglider>  i am updating from 5.04 to .10 from the link in topic > http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes , when it's done downloading will it install 5.10 like when on installs from the cd or what ?
[01:31] <nalioth> Dreamglider: yes
[01:32] <criticalmass120> hi
[01:32] <darkmodem> Thank you everyone for the lovery support.  I'm off to work!
[01:32] <criticalmass120> i just installed ubuntu
[01:32] <criticalmass120> for the first time
[01:32] <Dreamglider> nalioth, ok thanks
[01:33] <rulebraker> the only thing that apt-get will do for me without the (Segmentation Faulty Tree... 73%) is apt-get moo does anybody know how to fix this?
[01:34] <criticalmass120> does anyone know how i can change my wallpaper
[01:34] <criticalmass120> nm
[01:35] <splitta> /joiiin  #mandriva
[01:35] <dmk> see yous all later
[01:35] <rulebraker> well im off to search google (again) if anybody can help me then it would be appreciated
[01:35] <guidan> whats a good video editing software?
[01:36] <jmg> rulebraker: thats an old debian problem i ran into once
[01:36] <jmg> rulebraker: strace apt-get
[01:36] <rulebraker> kk i will see what happens
[01:37] <rulebraker> same nothing different
[01:37] <sambagirl> i just added a bunch of new stuff from synapsis
[01:37] <sambagirl> now i cannot logon to a root
[01:37] <sambagirl> saying an error
[01:38] <_jason> sambagirl:   you mean sudo?  or are you actually logging in as root?
[01:38] <sambagirl> i use the drop down option
[01:38] <grayman> erm. what drop down options?
[01:39] <sambagirl> i probably need to reboot after loading all htese things
[01:39] <bbzidane> is it me or is there problems accessing ubuntu.com sites?
[01:39] <_jason> sambagirl:  hoary or breezy?
[01:39] <sambagirl> over 2 gigs of new stuff from synaptics
[01:39] <`123> (hopefully) quick question: I've been searching the ubuntu forums for problems similar to mine, and I found two posts from people that had the exact problems that i have. The only problem is that they have 0 replies. Is the solution simple or is there no solution? http://tinyurl.com/ckfr4 http://tinyurl.com/82v23
[01:39] <grayman> sambagirl, thats doesnt matter
[01:39] <sambagirl> oh i dont know i tried to install breezy but it did not do
[01:39] <sambagirl> let me try something else.
[01:39] <sambagirl> brb
[01:40] <sambagirl> Details: Error reading file 'file:///usr/share/applications/gdmflexiserver.desktop': File not found
[01:40] <sambagirl> ohno
[01:40] <grayman> hrm
[01:41] <sambagirl> ls: Error reading file 'file:///usr/share/applications/gksu.desktop': File not found
[01:41] <grayman> warked before yu installed new stuff?
[01:41] <ErikHK> I have a default-installation of Ubuntu, and my processor is running @ 85-90% all the time, though I am only running gaim, Firefox, some xterm etc... what could take that much??
[01:41] <sambagirl> yes
[01:41] <zenwhen> ErikHK,
[01:41] <sambagirl> i heard about a war between gnome and kde. there was some kind of issue
[01:41] <zenwhen> run the command "top"
[01:41] <Dark-Druid> ErikHK, have you tried top?
[01:41] <zenwhen> and all will be revealed
[01:41] <sambagirl> where/
[01:41] <sambagirl> i cannot get shell
[01:41] <ErikHK> Dark-Druid, zenwhen: yes
[01:41] <grayman> sambagirl, what that have to do with the error?
[01:42] <sambagirl> oh never mind
[01:42] <ErikHK> nano takes alot! :O !!
[01:42] <Dark-Druid> ErikHK, and what seems to be at the top of the list?
[01:42] <ErikHK> nano! :D
[01:42] <sambagirl> it was just a thought
[01:42] <guidan> hi guys nautilus-cd-burner is installed, but i can't find it
[01:42] <criticalmass120> i got a fast question
[01:42] <Dark-Druid> nano??
[01:42] <criticalmass120> can anyone help me
[01:42] <criticalmass120> super fast
[01:42] <ErikHK> sambagirl: why nano??
[01:42] <sambagirl> where do i type in TOP
[01:42] <_jason> crimsun:  just ask
[01:42] <criticalmass120> how do u go about installing icons
[01:42] <sambagirl> nano?
[01:42] <sambagirl> what has nano to do with this?
[01:42] <Dark-Druid> how about using emacs or vi instead? :P
[01:43] <crimsun> _jason: mis-complete.
[01:43] <ErikHK> Dark-Druid: I like nano XD
[01:43] <_jason> crimsun:  yep sry!
[01:43] <grayman> actually vi is much better
[01:43] <sambagirl> Details: Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/gksudo" (No such file or directory)
[01:43] <sambagirl> everything is not working now
[01:43] <grayman> hrm
[01:43] <grayman> odd
[01:43] <grayman> what did you install?
[01:43] <sambagirl> ohmy god
[01:44] <_jason> grayman:  pm me why vi is better?  I was learning vi, then tried emacs and decided I preferred emacs...
[01:44] <Dark-Druid> sambagirl, sounds like something serious...
[01:44] <Dark-Druid> sure you haven't got a rm -rf /* somwhere in the background? :P
[01:44] <sambagirl> all kinds off games and astronomy, graphics, stuff from synaptics program add manager i just went thru and chose stuff looking interesting.
[01:44] <cevizoglu> vi is outdated, vim is much better
[01:44] <rulebraker> well i will try and sort apt-get out after compiling a new kernel ill be back
[01:44] <sambagirl> ham radio things, chemistry things, many games, all kinds of stuff.
[01:45] <sambagirl> just stuff
[01:45] <grayman> _jason, i was talking about vi is betetr than nano, but if vi is better than emacs... i prefer not to get into this
[01:45] <sambagirl> took hours to finish
[01:45] <eythian> sambagirl, ham radio stuff?
[01:45] <grayman> i dont see why it broke
[01:45] <sambagirl> yes
[01:46] <eythian> sambagirl, you're a ham?
[01:46] <_jason> grayman:  oh I thought you were a vi guy...  I am going to start learning one or the other and have decided on emacs, so I just thought i would hear your thoughts. :D
[01:46] <sambagirl> no my dad is
[01:46] <sambagirl> or he was
[01:46] <eythian> sambagirl, ah, OK.
[01:46] <sambagirl> my brother andi have his stuff
[01:46] <sambagirl> i mean i know morse code
[01:46] <eythian> sambagirl, heh. I have my license, and I don't know morse code :)
[01:46] <grayman> _jason, i do like vi and use it, but im not one of that maniacal fanatics that will kill when hear the word vi
[01:46] <sambagirl> .- -... -.-.--. . A B C D E
[01:46] <_jason> grayman:  lol ok cool
[01:47] <sambagirl> not a license it'sa Ticket :_
[01:47] <sambagirl> true?
[01:47] <sambagirl> 73's :D
[01:47] <eythian> sambagirl, yeah yeah :) I was trying to be less colloquial
[01:47] <sambagirl> QST
[01:47] <yarddog> vi is for the psychologically impaired
[01:47] <eythian> sambagirl, de ZL4TRS :)
[01:47] <HrdwrBob> yarddog: we don't do editor wars here
[01:47] <sambagirl> ahh he W8JCE
[01:48] <HrdwrBob> yarddog: take your troll elsewhere
[01:48] <sambagirl> wilber 8 juliet charlie echo :D
[01:48] <yarddog> HrdwrBob, i did not start it
[01:48] <Determinist> good evening lads
[01:48] <eythian> sambagirl, hehe :)
[01:48] <sambagirl> ok i  suppose i just do a format and start over i guess....sigh
[01:48] <yarddog> HrdwrBob, take it up with who started it, leave me alone please
[01:48] <grayman> sambagirl, erm. try breezy
[01:48] <sambagirl> i ttried it
[01:48] <HrdwrBob> whoever started it, there's no need for name calling
[01:48] <grayman> sambagirl, its kind of stable right now
[01:48] <eythian> sambagirl, you shouldn't have to reinstall to fix things.
[01:49] <HrdwrBob> and _jason that's an -offtopic only question
[01:49] <green_earz> sambagirl: instead of ham radio have a look at sip voip and asterisk
[01:49] <yarddog> HrdwrBob, name calling?
[01:49] <grayman> eythian, you even saw her errors?
[01:49] <Determinist> anyone here that managed to configure gmail pop3 access under evolution? thing doesnt support ssl for pop
[01:49] <eythian> green_earz, ham radio is a lot more fun if you're technically inclined.
[01:49] <eythian> grayman, I saw the tail end of them.
[01:49] <HrdwrBob> psychologically impaired, in any case, let's not continue to have pointless arguments and further disrupt/distract the channel
[01:49] <sambagirl> do private dialog
[01:49] <grayman> eythian, its like no sudo no anything...
[01:49] <sambagirl> hold on
[01:49] <sambagirl> well what happened?
[01:50] <eythian> grayman, no sudo or no gtksudo?
[01:50] <yarddog> HrdwrBob, not a problem, if you had not imposed, it would not have continued
[01:50] <sambagirl> Seveas said use Synaptics to do installs i did and now nothing works.
[01:50] <sambagirl> brb let me check on something.
[01:50] <eythian> sambagirl, synaptic should be safe.
[01:50] <grayman> eythian, thats what i said
[01:51] <eythian> hmm.
[01:51] <tristanmike> unless you have crummy backports that can break your system
[01:51] <tristanmike> like out of date ones, and stuff
[01:51] <eythian> tristanmike, even then, I think apt has some defenses against that, povided they're not too crummy
[01:52] <grayman> unless she accidently slected few packages for removal
[01:52] <tristanmike> eythian, ;)
[01:52] <guidan> can some one show me where i can find nautilus-cd-burner
[01:52] <guidan> plz
[01:52] <sambagirl> it wont let me open a .bin file now...uh oh.
[01:52] <sambagirl> brb
[01:52] <eythian> guidan, put a bland CD-R in.
[01:52] <sambagirl> something wrong
[01:52] <eythian> err, blank
[01:52] <guidan> and it should pop up?
[01:52] <sambagirl> BTW did anyone read artical comparing UBUNTU to Windows Vista?
[01:52] <sambagirl> in Info World.
[01:52] <mauriciogp> buenas a todos
[01:53] <mauriciogp> soy nuevo
[01:53] <criticalmass120> i cant install anything it says i got to be root
[01:53] <eythian> guidan, yep
[01:53] <criticalmass120> and my root pass is wrong
[01:53] <grayman> sambagirl, no, but i was translating windows vista article on MS from ms language to normal and i didnt like what i saw
[01:53] <sankosi> has anyone put ubuntu on an xbox?
[01:53] <guidan> oh no now my dvd rom dont open
[01:54] <guidan> got something to do with mounting.
[01:54] <bimberi> criticalmass120: use sudo to get root privileges
[01:54] <eythian> grayman, is there a dpkg command to check to see if a package is corrupted, and reinstall it?
[01:54] <sambagirl> Details: Failed to execute child process "gksudo" (No such file or directory)
[01:54] <criticalmass120> o
[01:54] <sambagirl> nothing works
[01:54] <bimberi> ubotu tell criticalmass120 about root
[01:54] <eythian> guidan, if you have a CD in there, right click on the icon and 'eject' (or 'unmount' I forget which)
[01:55] <grayman> eythian, dpkg -s
[01:55] <`123> where does samba mount drives by default?
[01:55] <guidan> unable to eject media
[01:55] <eythian> guidan, does it say why? Usually thats because it's busy.
[01:55] <guidan> it just say its busy
[01:56] <guidan> but i'm not using it
[01:56] <criticalmass120> how do i install deb packages
[01:56] <apokryphos> criticalmass120: man dpkg
[01:56] <criticalmass120> i am new to this
[01:56] <grayman> criticalmass120, local?
[01:56] <criticalmass120> i just installed it
[01:56] <criticalmass120> no i am a newbie to linux
[01:56] <eythian> guidan, do you have a window open showing it, or a program that is using something on it, or a terminal window that is in the cdrom directory?
[01:57] <criticalmass120> local what
[01:57] <grayman> criticalmass120, first try not to install anything that dont come in .deb, check synaptic and man dpkg
[01:57] <guidan> the only thing i have open is xchat
[01:57] <eythian> grayman, I don't think dpkg -s acutally goes and verifies the package isn't corrupted.
[01:57] <grayman> eythian, thats the only status that it gives
[01:57] <terasurfer> does anybody have a suggestion for what to do when gam_server prevents me from unmounting drives?
[01:58] <criticalmass120> o i was trying to install a .rpm
[01:58] <criticalmass120> it said it had to be a .deb
[01:58] <eythian> guidan, open a teminal and type 'eject'
[01:58] <green_earz> criticalmass120: the link should be of interest to you " Learn Linux - On Line " > http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/moodle/
[01:58] <criticalmass120> cool thanks
[01:58] <guidan> eythian can i past the result in here 3 line
[01:59] <green_earz> np
[01:59] <criticalmass120> but ubutno can install rpms right
[01:59] <eythian> guidan, paste it as one line, use '\' to seperate or something
[01:59] <criticalmass120> rpm -ivh filename.rpm right
[01:59] <guidan> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[01:59] <guidan> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[01:59] <guidan> eject: unmount of `/dev/hdc' failed
[01:59] <grayman> criticalmass120, i'd suggest not to install rpms
[01:59] <bimberi> criticalmass120: it can, but not that way, but what are you trying to install?
[02:00] <eythian> guidan, OK, something is using it. Do: lsof -n | grep cdrom
[02:00] <criticalmass120> just anything
[02:00] <criticalmass120> lol
[02:00] <Kris_k> Trying to play a dvd movie but hte playback is all glitchy and slow, it says DMA is enabled and i have the FGLRX driver installed, x800 vidcard 64 bit cpu, Steaming Video plays fine, is there a way to fix this without doing another player
[02:00] <grayman> criticalmass120, you can use alien to try and remake them to deb
[02:00] <criticalmass120> i got some icons
[02:00] <Dark-Druid> goodnight im off to bed
[02:00] <criticalmass120> i am trying to figure out howto install
[02:00] <bimberi> criticalmass120: you need to get to know synaptic then
[02:00] <green_earz> guidan: have you got any window open to the drive, if so close them.
[02:00] <bimberi> ubotu tell criticalmass120 about synaptic
[02:00] <guidan> no
[02:00] <criticalmass120> thanks
[02:00] <guidan> and it give me the same result
[02:00] <bimberi> criticalmass120: yw :)
[02:01] <guidan> after i type in lsof -n | grep cdrom
[02:01] <eythian> guidan, what do you mean 'the same result'? This should show up any programs accessing the cdrom.
[02:01] <guidan> gam_serve  6739     guidan   62r      DIR       22,0    2048     20480 /media/cdrom0
[02:02] <Alpha232> ok... i have been trying the live CD for a while now and finally got networking to work... i then install it, make the changes i need, and networking doesn't work. ARGH
[02:02] <Alpha232> does HH have issues with DHCP?
[02:02] <eythian> guidan, oh. It's gam_server. Hrm, hang on.
[02:02] <amias> evning all
[02:03] <guidan>  oxez  you from toronto?
[02:03] <oxez> guidan: nope, I live in Quebec
[02:03] <guidan> oh i see
[02:03] <oxez> cogeco cable :O
[02:03] <guidan> yes
[02:03] <guidan> haha
[02:03] <oxez> They suck as an ISP
[02:03] <SuseUX> ok, i'm impressed with Ubuntu 5.10
[02:03] <guidan> what can we do/
[02:03] <kbrooks> oxez: i use cogeco
[02:03] <kbrooks> they dont suck
[02:03] <lllmanulll> SuseUX, you should be :)
[02:03] <guidan> kbrooks where u from?
[02:04] <amias> i still cant get the mga_vid module to compile from the ubuntu sources , anyone got this working
[02:04] <kbrooks> peterborough
[02:04] <kbrooks> ontario
[02:04] <guidan> really
[02:04] <guidan> i have family there
[02:04] <sarkie> gi
[02:04] <oxez> kbrooks: pings in games are bad, every one I know who has cgo says that too
[02:04] <sarkie> hi
[02:04] <kbrooks> cool
[02:04] <oxez> anyway
[02:04] <Kris_k> Trying to play a dvd movie but hte playback is all glitchy and slow, it says DMA is enabled and i have the FGLRX driver installed, x800 vidcard 64 bit cpu, Steaming Video plays fine, is there a way to fix this without doing another player
[02:04] <SuseUX> lllmanulll, the install was very easy, one of the easiest installers out there
[02:04] <eythian> guidan, hrm, gam_server seems to be a very poorly documented program. You can probably get away with just killing it.
[02:04] <guidan> ok
[02:04] <lllmanulll> SuseUX, Yes, it is one of Ubuntu's main concerns, and I really think it's the right approach
[02:05] <lllmanulll> Moving towards average users
[02:05] <sarkie> Im trying to install mysql, do I need the client and server?
[02:05] <guidan> eythian: thanks it work now
[02:05] <sarkie> and do i install the 4.1s or the ones with the ubuntu icon next to it?
[02:05] <oxez> SuseUX: right
[02:05] <SuseUX> lllmanulll, cannot fault it, asks the questions that should be asked
[02:05] <guidan> but i still want to know where i can fidn the cd burner with out blank cd
[02:06] <kbrooks> sarkie: want me to check?
[02:06] <terasurfer> does anybody know how i can disable or avert gam_server long enough to umount a drive?
[02:06] <sarkie> kbrooks how?
[02:06] <kbrooks> checking as we speak
[02:06] <lllmanulll> sarkie, I guess you should install the ones with Ubuntu logos in priority, that's generally a good idea
[02:06] <Alpha232> i guess no one wants to help with a dhcp issue then... so be it... it just sucks that both windows machines boot up just fine but when i run the live CD's, dhcp doesn't work under ubuntu
[02:06] <sarkie> Alpha232, what is wrong
[02:07] <SuseUX> Cominng from Slackware, it was smooth transition
[02:07] <eythian> guidan, open a file broswer window (like home), go to 'places' in that, and it should be there
[02:07] <kbrooks> mmm strange
[02:07] <kbrooks> brb
[02:07] <LazyAngel> anyone knows the command to make fat32 partition un linux?
[02:07] <sarkie> but ubuntu is now my main os
[02:07] <green_earz> Alpha232: you could use etherconf to setup your network card and DHCP  its a commad line app. and are you behind a dhcp router ?
[02:07] <guidan> eythian:what folder u think its in?
[02:07] <criticalmass120> can u use kde for ubuntu
[02:08] <grayman> kubuntu
[02:08] <criticalmass120> o nm
[02:08] <criticalmass120> lol
[02:08] <criticalmass120> what about fluxbox
[02:08] <apokryphos> yes, you can
[02:08] <apokryphos> both
[02:08] <SuseUX> The installer is just great, no need to click and setup with GUI interface
[02:08] <Alpha232> green_earz:  is that installed on the live cd?
[02:08] <eythian> guidan, I don't know. I don't think it's a real folder. (the mac has a real folder, and it's a _stupid_ idea)
[02:08] <grayman> you can install them yes
[02:08] <apokryphos> installer is dang ugly, and pretty lacking, but it's not too difficult
[02:08] <grayman> and use
[02:08] <sarkie> can i use kde apps in gnome and vica versa?
[02:08] <apokryphos> yes
[02:08] <sarkie> thought so
[02:09] <grayman> you only need the libs
[02:09] <Alpha232> green_earz: like right now, i tried to do it manually by editing the interfaces file and adding iface eth0 inet dhcp
[02:09] <Nile> help!
[02:09] <SuseUX> anyone know what the nvidia panel is called in Synaptic?
[02:09] <whatsupwiththis> anyone else having problems with the live cd on mac?
[02:09] <lllmanulll> LazyAngel, That would be mkfs, but you need to find the right option for the file system
[02:09] <lllmanulll> LazyAngel, fat I believe ?
[02:09] <Alpha232> green_earz: that worked all of once and never again
[02:09] <eythian> whatsupwiththis, the one time I tried it it was real slow
[02:09] <guidan> eythian: i see 3 folder 1.nautilus 2.nautils-cd-burner 3.nautilus-sendto
[02:09] <mark__> hey guys - How do I delete a folder if its owner is root? I have the root password
[02:09] <lllmanulll> Nile, What's going on ?
[02:09] <sarkie> fair enough, only problem i had with synaptics is it not redownloading a file, had to manual remove it wish there was an otopin
[02:09] <whatsupwiththis> after it's setup, the screen is just blank
[02:09] <sarkie> mark__ sudo -s
[02:09] <Xenguy> mark__: rm folder
[02:10] <ColonelKernel> yeesh - I put some new cflags in and recompiled my kernel and my system is screaming fast
[02:10] <lllmanulll> mark__, You might want to do this with the command line
[02:10] <Nile> (lllmanulll): need help on installing ubantu
[02:10] <Xenguy> mark__: er rmdir folder
[02:10] <green_earz> Alpha232: sorry i know if its on the live cd. but you said that you have installed ubuntu on to the drive ?
[02:10] <Alpha232> green_earz: when i run dhclient manually, i see the DHCPDISCOVER, OFFER and REQUEST, but never get the ACK
[02:10] <ColonelKernel> thanks for your help yesterday
[02:10] <grayman> mark__, sudo rmdir folder
[02:10] <lllmanulll> Nile, decribe your problem :)
[02:10] <Xenguy> mark__: else -> rm -rf folder (careful!)
[02:10] <LazyAngel> is vfat the same as fat32?
[02:10] <eythian> wah? where do you see that? In mine, if I go to places from a nautilis window, there is CD/DVD creator, and it opens up empty.
[02:10] <green_earz> Alpha232: sorry i do not know if its on the live cd.
[02:10] <Nile> (lllmanulll): ermm, do i need to install it on a different hdd or something ?
[02:10] <Xenguy> mark__: s/folder/directory (this is *nix :-)
[02:10] <Alpha232> green_earz: lol well grub fscked up my Win2k install so i am trying to recover that first since my install cd's are in storage
[02:10] <kbrooks> eythian: drag
[02:10] <guidan> eythian: i see it in /usr/share/
[02:11] <lllmanulll> Nile, You can either install on a different hdd, or have several partitions on a same hdd
[02:11] <whatsupwiththis> anyone know why the live cd, after startup and all, the screen is just blank, but i hear responses from clicking
[02:11] <sarkie> Alpha232, in what sence it "fsked" up your win2k??
[02:11] <lllmanulll> Nile, Do you have WIndows already installed ?
[02:11] <guidan> what do u mean by places
[02:11] <eythian> kbrooks, I know :) I was explaining :)
[02:11] <eythian> guidan, huh?
[02:11] <kbrooks> eythian: dnd rules
[02:11] <Nile> (lllmanulll): if i have like four, C: D: E: and F:, so i can install it anyone of those ?
[02:11] <kbrooks> drag and drop
[02:12] <Nile> (lllmanulll): yep win xp is there
[02:12] <bimberi> LazyAngel: I think you need to specify it with something like "mkfs.vfat -F32 ...."
[02:12] <lllmanulll> Yes, that would be good
[02:12] <guidan> u told me to go to "place"
[02:12] <mark__> Xenguy when I do sudo -s
[02:12] <guidan> what u mean by that
[02:12] <Xenguy> guidan: s/u/you/
[02:12] <sarkie>  Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[02:12] <sarkie> <--odd i wonder if i need to restart for the service
[02:12] <mark__> Xenguy and then rmdir it says the dir is not empty
[02:12] <lllmanulll> Nile, First, save everything that is on F, for example, and prepare for everything on it to be deleted
[02:12] <whatsupwiththis> so how do i install it on a partition of an external?
[02:12] <kbrooks> guidan: menu on top
[02:12] <Alpha232> sarkie: well the grub loader won't even load right now after win2k started
[02:12] <lllmanulll> Then you can install ubuntu on this free space
[02:12] <guidan> ohh i c
[02:12] <kbrooks> sarkie: linux isnt windows
[02:12] <guidan> but i dont see it
[02:12] <eythian> guidan, open up, say, the home window. On that window there is a menu called 'places', in that menu there is an option called 'CD/DVD Creator'.
[02:13] <Xenguy> mark__: you need a 'force' and a 'recursive' then (careful!) -> rm -rf dir
[02:13] <Nile> (lllmanulll): so like i have to have one whole drive empty for installation ? and it wont mess with the data on other drives ?
[02:13] <eythian> guidan, it's not on the places menu at the top for some reason
[02:13] <guidan> theres no option in there
[02:13] <sarkie> kbrooks, yes but it still needs the services
[02:13] <Xenguy> mark__: you blow it away, it doesn't come back :-)
[02:13] <nicedreams> Can someone help me setup my SATA RAID using the software RAID durring the Ubuntu Hoary installation?
[02:13] <lllmanulll> Nile, Hmm, what do you mean by "drive"
[02:13] <oxez> sarkie: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart?
[02:13] <kbrooks> Nile: unless you tell iyt to that is
[02:13] <green_earz> Alpha232: you are better installing linux on to a box with out any OS on it untill you get more working skills with linux installing
[02:13] <Kris_k> Trying to play a dvd movie but hte playback is all glitchy and slow, it says DMA is enabled and i have the FGLRX driver installed, x800 vidcard 64 bit cpu, Steaming Video plays fine, it also messes up in XINE
[02:13] <guidan> i see desktop, home folder,computer etc..
[02:13] <mark__> Xenguy that worked perfectly thank you
[02:13] <eythian> guidan, hmm. Maybe it only appears if you've put a blank CD in before or something
[02:13] <Nile> (lllmanulll): err i meant a partition F: for eg.
[02:13] <Xenguy> mark__: yw
[02:13] <lllmanulll> Nile, I guess usually a drive is a whole hard disk : another drive is just another piece of hardware
[02:14] <sarkie> Alpha232, you cant load grub after installing win2k again, explain a bit more since you can repair your mbr from the 2k cd just need more info
[02:14] <lllmanulll> Nile, Yes, right
[02:14] <eythian> guidan, I think you've got the wrong meny
[02:14] <lllmanulll> Nile, Well, you just need some free space
[02:14] <kbrooks> nile: no drive letters in linux btw
[02:14] <Nile> (lllmanulll): kool, thanks a lot man
[02:14] <nicedreams> Kris_k: Try using VLC Player.  I started using that and it got rid of most of my video/dvd problems
[02:14] <guidan> ?
[02:14] <eythian> guidan, not the one at the top of the screen, one at the top of the Nautilus window
[02:14] <Kris_k> Nicedreams EVERY player does the same thing i tried vlc
[02:14] <Alpha232> umm green_earz, i am very familiar with installing linux, i've done it for quite a few years, this is the first with unbutu and a deb dist...
[02:14] <lllmanulll> Nile, And if your hdd is already partitionned into C, D, E, F, using F is good
[02:14] <mark__> Xenguy, Hey how do I install skype?
[02:14] <lllmanulll> Nile, No problem
[02:14] <guidan> i dont even see Nautilus window
[02:14] <kbrooks> lllmanulll: first off
[02:15] <LazyAngel> bimberi: thanks
[02:15] <Xenguy> mark__: I don't use non-free software (someone else might know)
[02:15] <lllmanulll> mark__, check out http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[02:15] <mylastmorning> anyone use wine?
[02:15] <bimberi> LazyAngel: yw :)
[02:15] <Xenguy> mylastmorning: #winehq
[02:15] <kbrooks> lllmanulll: when you boot with the ubuntu cd, you are in a temporary linux environment
[02:15] <mark__> Xenguy, I found it but Skype is free
[02:15] <Alpha232> green_earz: more that i should use a box without an os, not knowing what the install of HH would do...
[02:15] <Xenguy> mark__: not free as in freedom, no
[02:15] <lllmanulll> kbrooks, Is that a question ? :)
[02:15] <guidan> ohhh i see it
[02:15] <kbrooks> lllmanulll: hint: make him clear on mounting and stuff
[02:15] <eythian> guidan, :)
[02:15] <grayman> mylastmorning, what about wine?
[02:15] <Alpha232> green_earz: off to download a 2k boot disk, and then off to work for 8 hours of hell
[02:16] <kbrooks> lllmanulll: no not a question
[02:16] <guidan> eythian: thanks alot
[02:16] <eythian> guidan, np
[02:16] <mark__> Xenguy, eager to understand. Could you explain more
[02:16] <Xenguy> mark__: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html
[02:16] <mylastmorning> grayman, when I try to install flash mx 2004 it gives me a ikernal.exe error.
[02:16] <green_earz> Alpha232: yes learn on a spare box first. and all the best
[02:16] <Xenguy> mark__: good place to start :-)
[02:16] <guidan> eythian: just to let u know its under "GO"
[02:16] <guidan> hehe
[02:16] <kbrooks> green_earz: gone ;)
[02:16] <DualBoot4Life> Can somebody help me?
[02:16] <green_earz> ok
[02:17] <lllmanulll> DualBoot4Life, Sure :)
[02:17] <lllmanulll> DualBoot4Life, Just ask your question
[02:17] <grayman> mylastmorning, as i said earlier. wine is not stable and many apps wont work on it
[02:17] <kbrooks> DualBoot4Life: just ask
[02:17] <remyforbes777> how do you uninstall xorg and install xfree86
[02:17] <lllmanulll> remyforbes777, If you have Breezy, I wouldn't recommend that
[02:17] <mark__> Xenguy, I see now, free = open source right? Is Gizmo Project "free" then?
[02:17] <Xenguy> remyforbes777: you probably don't want to if you can help it
[02:17] <grayman> mylastmorning, or will work not in a way you expected
[02:17] <kbrooks> remyforbes777: do not do it in breezy
[02:17] <remyforbes777> i have ubuntu  64
[02:17] <eythian> guidan, oh. It's 'places' on mine
[02:17] <DualBoot4Life> I have my Pentium II system configured with 2 hard drives to boot either Windows 2000 or Ubuntu...
[02:17] <lllmanulll> mark__, Open source is not necessarily free as in "free beer"
[02:18] <kbrooks> mark__: Free Software != Open Source
[02:18] <remyforbes777> this is why i want to do it
[02:18] <DualBoot4Life> Is there a way I can mount m,y Windows drive in Ubuntu?
[02:18] <grayman> mylastmorning, and what flash you try to install?
[02:18] <kbrooks> lllmanulll: openn source is free as in speech
[02:18] <lllmanulll> kbrooks, right :)
[02:18] <grayman> mylastmorning, its for viewing or making flash?
[02:18] <remyforbes777> i have an amd laptop with an ATI video card, Knoppix uses Xfree86 vesa and it works fine
[02:18] <mylastmorning> making flash grayman
[02:19] <Xenguy> mark__: depends on who you talk to - I generally say 'yes' e.g. FOSS = Free and Open Source Software.  RMS (Richard Stallman) of FSF (Free Software Foundation) would chew me up and spit me out for using that phrase ;-)  To each their own
[02:19] <remyforbes777> ubuntu uses xorg and it freezes at login all the time
[02:19] <mark__> kbrooks, I will read further because I would like to understand. Meanwhile, I just ran killall gnome-panel, and the gnome anel did now start back up, solution?
[02:19] <kbrooks> mark__: huh.
[02:19] <Xenguy> mark__: I don't know about Gizmo
[02:19] <Confuzzled> Hey all
[02:19] <sarkie> darn mysql dont work
[02:19] <mark__> Xenguy, would you read what I asked kbrooks and help me out
[02:19] <Xenguy> mark__: try pkill instead
[02:19] <guidan> eythian: sorry to bother again but when i put a dvd video in i can't access the rom it says"Unable to mount the selected volume. The volume is probably in a format that cannot be mounted"
[02:20] <mark__> Xenguy, I need to start it back up not kill it again
[02:20] <Xenguy> mark__: ahh
[02:20] <eythian> guidan, umm. I don't know. I've never tried to play a DVD video on this.
[02:20] <mark__> Xenguy, go tit
[02:20] <eythian> guidan, I'll have a go
[02:20] <Confuzzled> anyone know how to get ubuntu to use the laptop mouse?
[02:20] <guidan> ok thank
[02:20] <mark__> Xenguy, I just had to type gnome-panel ... such a newb
[02:20] <guidan> take care
[02:20] <guidan> can any one else help me?
[02:20] <Xenguy> mark__: heh
[02:20] <mylastmorning> grayman, are you their?
[02:20] <kbrooks> whats with sigint and sigterm? interrupt and terminate are conceputally the same, no?
[02:21] <lllmanulll> guidan, Sure, about what ?
[02:21] <grayman> mylastmorning, well. looks like macromedia has some issues with making their software for linux
[02:21] <grayman> mylastmorning, what you mean?
[02:21] <eythian> kbrooks, sigterm is untrappable
[02:21] <guidan> lllmanulll: opening dvd
[02:21] <mark__> Xenguy, I take that back. When I close the console I launched gnome-panel from gnome-panel closes... work around please?
[02:21] <mylastmorning> you weren't replying grayman, I thought you might of went afk
[02:21] <grayman> no
[02:21] <grayman> i was investigating
[02:21] <Xenguy> mark__: append this -> &
[02:21] <lllmanulll> guidan, Have you tried to read it directly (with totem for instance) without mounting it ?
[02:22] <mylastmorning> grayman, do you have any solutions to solve my problem?
[02:22] <Xenguy> mark__: that backgrounds the job -- should work
[02:22] <guidan> lllmanulll: i try click open the drive itself
[02:22] <lllmanulll> mark__, gnome-panel &
[02:22] <mark__> nope
[02:22] <grayman> mylastmorning, one is dual boot. second is to find someone who had success installing flash on wine and third is try to find a linux equivalent
[02:22] <lllmanulll> guidan, Do you have the same problem with every DVD you try ?
[02:23] <nicedreams> Can someone help me setup a SATA linux software RAID with a fresh install of Hoary?
[02:23] <ubuntumark> hello room im wondering if anyone has good suggestions on books good for a newbie to linux? (besides the dummie and idiots book series)?
[02:23] <guidan> it give me this
[02:23] <guidan> Unable to mount the selected volume. The volume is probably in a format that cannot be mounted.:
[02:23] <guidan> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[02:23] <guidan>        missing codepage or other error
[02:23] <guidan>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[02:23] <guidan>        dmesg | tail  or so
[02:23] <lllmanulll> guidan, I mean, video dvds
[02:23] <guidan> yes
[02:23] <mark__> Xenguy, lllmaul, nope didnt't work
[02:23] <kbrooks> guidan: so try it
[02:23] <kbrooks> dmesg | tail
[02:23] <Xenguy> mark__: use the '&', and just leave the terminal open then
[02:23] <guidan> kbrooks try what?
[02:23] <mark__> lol
[02:23] <Seveas> guidan, please don't paste in here
[02:23] <grayman> mylastmorning, im trying to find something to help you tho
[02:23] <eythian> what repository is libdvdcss2 in?
[02:23] <Seveas> there are pastebins for that
[02:23] <kbrooks> guidan: i gave the command
[02:23] <guidan> seveas sorry
[02:23] <lllmanulll> mark__, Do you already have a panel running ?
[02:24] <Pickle_Weasel> there is no "terminal" option on breezy when you right click on the desktop, there is a package to enable this, but i forgot its name, does anyone know?
[02:24] <Seveas> eythian, http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[02:24] <Paradoxx> Seveas: are you one person?
[02:24] <lllmanulll> mark__, to remove the running panel : gnome-session-remove gnome panel
[02:24] <kbrooks> Paradoxx: yes he is
[02:24] <lllmanulll> mark__, But it is relaunched automatically
[02:24] <mark__> Xenguy, I knwo you don'y know skype but do you know why after I installed it and it is in the menu it still will not run when I click it.  lllmanulll, no panel is not running
[02:24] <guidan> kbrooks: can u give it again
[02:24] <nicedreams> Can someone help me setup a SATA linux software RAID with a fresh install of Hoary?
[02:24] <guidan> i didn't get it
[02:24] <Paradoxx> Seveas: lol, that seems like a weird question its just that, everytime i come to this channel he is here....
[02:25] <kbrooks> guidan: i already gave it, just after i said 'so try it'
[02:25] <Seveas> Paradoxx, no, I'm a bot :)
[02:25] <Xenguy> mark__: sorry, I won't support non-free software (to each their own ;-)
[02:25] <Pickle_Weasel> does anyone know the package name to enable the "terminal" option in a right click window?
[02:25] <Paradoxx> rather you are here...
[02:25] <eythian> Seveas, will that work in hoary?
[02:26] <Kris_k> Trying to play a dvd movie but hte playback is all glitchy and slow, it says DMA is enabled and i have the FGLRX driver installed, x800 vidcard 64 bit cpu, Steaming Video plays fine, it also messes up in XINE Tried VLC tried Mplayer
[02:26] <Seveas> eythian, no
[02:26] <nicedreams> Kris_k: try another window manager or gui.  I
[02:26] <Seveas> maybe hoary-extras has one for hoary...
[02:26] <mark__> Will anyone help me with an error I get after installing skype?
[02:26] <eythian> Seveas, OK. Where can I get libdvdcss2 for hoary?
[02:26] <nicedreams> Kris_k: I've had weird problems in Gnome from Hoary and when I use Fluxbox...everything always works
[02:27] <kbrooks> Seveas: are meta packages trivial to make? ;)
[02:27] <Seveas> maybe hoary-extras has one for hoary... <-- eythian
[02:27] <anethema> hey Kris_k, back again eh
[02:27] <anethema> hehe
[02:27] <nicedreams> Kris_k: Like I can't play quake if I'm in gnome, but it launches fine in Fluxbox
[02:27] <Seveas> kbrooks, extremely
[02:27] <Kris_k> im always here
[02:27] <bimberi> Pickle_Weasel: i think it's nautilus-open-terminal
[02:27] <anethema> i stil think your problem is DMA related if you can play dvd stuff from the hard drive, but not from a dvd-rom drive
[02:27] <Pickle_Weasel> thank you =)
[02:27] <bimberi> Pickle_Weasel: yw :)
[02:28] <anethema> i would look at your actual dvd device
[02:28] <nicedreams> Can someone help me setup a SATA linux software RAID with a fresh install of Hoary?
[02:28] <anethema> /dev/hdc or hdd
[02:28] <Kris_k> my dvd is still being crappy everybody instaid of trying to fix my prob is sending me to get diffrent progys or diffrent Guis so now my hd is filled with unesscary packages lol
[02:28] <eythian> Seveas, nope, it's 404
[02:28] <TedLemon> Is there an automated build system for Ubuntu, or is it more that everybody has a special package they know how to build, and it's build in pieces, collectively?
[02:28] <mark__> How do I install a .deb package?
[02:28] <TheWahbinator> dpkg -i packagename.deb
[02:28] <thrice`> mark__, man dpkg
[02:28] <anethema> dpkg -i <file>
[02:29] <bimberi> Kris_k: i think there's a package you can install to get rid of unnecessary packages :P
[02:29] <Kris_k> lol
[02:29] <nicedreams> Can someone PLEASE try to help me with this RAID
[02:29] <remyforbes777> anyone help me with my x problem
[02:29] <TedLemon> what's your x problem?
[02:29] <mark__> thrice, anethema says dpkg -i which one should I do?
[02:29] <CosmoDad> is there a documentation for people that want to switch from debian to ubuntu? something like "what changes for debian users"?
[02:29] <remyforbes777> >here it goes
[02:29] <anethema> everyone said dpkg -i
[02:29] <anethema> heheh
[02:29] <thrice`> mark__, dpkg -i file.deb
[02:29] <Seveas> eythian, what is 404?
[02:30] <eythian> Seveas, 404 file not found
[02:30] <Pickle_Weasel> for some reason when i go into repositories from synaptic, i don't have a check box next to them, how can i fix this?
[02:30] <bob2> nicedreams: you're using linux software raid, right?
[02:30] <Seveas> which file...
[02:30] <SuseUX> OMG
[02:30] <remyforbes777> i have an amd 64 laptop with an ATI video card, when boot knoppix , x works fine,
[02:30] <eythian> Failed to fetch http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/ubuntu-seveas/hoary-extras/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[02:30] <bob2> CosmoDad: "the gnome menus use sudo, and ubuntu is not generally compatible with Debian .debs"
[02:30] <nicedreams> bob2, yes   I am in the install where you partition the disks right now
[02:30] <TedLemon> nice
[02:30] <SuseUX> beagle just works :-)
[02:30] <bob2> CosmoDad: that's about it
[02:30] <remyforbes777> when i try to boot to ubuntu 64 on my hard drive , right at the ubuntu splash screen it locks
[02:30] <mark__> How do I list the files in a directory:?
[02:30] <TedLemon> which version?
[02:30] <Seveas> eythian, I never said it was on my server...
[02:31] <Seveas> !hoary-extras
[02:31] <ubotu> I heard hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[02:31] <TedLemon> breezy or hoary, I mean
[02:31] <remyforbes777> now looking in my log files, there seems to be a problem with x
[02:31] <bimberi> Pickle_Weasel: click on "Settings" in the repositories window and check "Show disabled software sources"
[02:31] <nicedreams> bob2, there is the option to configure software raid, but i'm more confused trying it that way
[02:31] <remyforbes777> hoary
[02:31] <bob2> nicedreams: perhaps it's not worth bothering with
[02:31] <TedLemon> hm, ok.   I had trouble making hoary work on my Sony too.
[02:31] <eythian> Seveas, ah :)
[02:31] <TedLemon> Have you tried burning a breezy colony 5 cd?
[02:31] <nicedreams> bob2, i need for a server i'm doing though
[02:31] <bob2> nicedreams: or you should explain which bit in particualr is confusing you
[02:31] <Pickle_Weasel> thanks again bimberi, i forgot all about that, i feel silly
[02:31] <remyforbes777> no
[02:31] <nicedreams> bob2, i've been making a lot of servers and I really need RAID for these people
[02:31] <sambagirl> ubuntu is all messed up
[02:32] <remyforbes777> they have that in 64 bit
[02:32] <CosmoDad> bob2: wow that's not much. If ubuntu is not compatible to .debs, how can you use debian's software basis?
[02:32] <kbrooks> sambagirl: oh? how?
[02:32] <TedLemon> I'd suggest you try that - it might work better.   I think they do, yes.
[02:32] <bimberi> Pickle_Weasel: yw, and don't :)
[02:32] <loku> hello peeps...
[02:32] <sambagirl> noting works now
[02:32] <bob2> CosmoDad: you don't
[02:32] <bob2> CosmoDad: you use ubuntu's
[02:32] <bob2> win: 46
[02:32] <TedLemon> I'm running breezy very happily on my Vaio now.   :')
[02:32] <remyforbes777> and whats it called again
[02:32] <nicedreams> bob2, Do I setup the raid then install ubuntu or do I install ubuntu on the first drive then copy it to the second drive and then try to raid it afterwards?
[02:32] <CosmoDad> bob2: I read that every ubuntu release is based in sid...
[02:32] <TedLemon> If only kmail wouldn't crash.
[02:32] <sambagirl> i installed all these things suing sanitptic and now nothing allows me to even logon root or anything.
[02:32] <sambagirl> whole desktop just not work.
[02:32] <loku> pls. help...how do i change the resolution of the login page
[02:32] <mylastmorning> grayman, where is the config of wine?
[02:32] <sambagirl> nothing works.
[02:32] <bob2> CosmoDad: indeed
[02:32] <sambagirl> Details: Failed to execute child process "gksudo" (No such file or directory)
[02:33] <TedLemon> but don't panic - that's the only thing I've had trouble with, which is pretty good all things considered.
[02:33] <sambagirl> these kinds of errors
[02:33] <remyforbes777> whats that called again Ted
[02:33] <grayman> mylastmorning, look in pm
[02:33] <predius_> can anyone recommend a good terminal font which works with utf8?
[02:33] <bob2> CosmoDad: ubuntu rebuilds almost every package from Debian and puts it on archive.ubuntu.com
[02:33] <eythian> sambagirl, open up a terminal and type 'which gksudo'
[02:33] <CosmoDad> bob2: so how's that done? are the .debs automatically transformed to ubuntu's format? and what's ubuntu's packaging format called, actually?
[02:33] <sambagirl> i must reinstall
[02:33] <HrdwrBob> predius_: the default
[02:33] <CosmoDad> bob2: ok
[02:33] <mylastmorning> what grayman, I don't understand.
[02:33] <TedLemon> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-5/
[02:33] <funkyHat> sambagirl, apt-get install gksudo :P
[02:33] <kbrooks> CosmoDad: the incompatibilites are namely in the depends
[02:33] <predius_> HrdwrBob: it's awful
[02:33] <sambagirl> i cannot open a terminal file not found errors and things.
[02:34] <grayman> mylastmorning, private message
[02:34] <dooglus> sambagirl: use a virtual console then
[02:34] <sambagirl> Details: Error reading file 'file:///usr/share/applications/gksu.desktop': File not found
[02:34] <bob2> CosmoDad: the format is identical
[02:34] <funkyHat> sambagirl, recovery mode (the boot option)?
[02:34] <kbrooks> CosmoDad: a debian package requests a earlier version of foo, a ubuntu package requests a latest version
[02:34] <bob2> CosmoDad: it's similar to how .debs from sid generally don't work on sarge (ie the dependences won't be satisfiable)
[02:34] <kbrooks> (example)
[02:34] <sambagirl> ???
[02:34] <TedLemon> bob, is there an overall build system, or do you just build individual packages?
[02:34] <eythian> OK, how do you make totem play DVDs?
[02:34] <remyforbes777> thanks Ted
[02:34] <sambagirl> virtual logon?
[02:34] <TedLemon> sure
[02:34] <sambagirl> recovery?
[02:34] <dooglus> sambagirl: press control-alt-F1, log in, type "type gksudo" then press alt-F7 to get back to X
[02:34] <CosmoDad> bob2, kbrooks: ok. so if I can't use .debs directly, what about software availability: is it much less than a debian rep?
[02:35] <kbrooks> CosmoDad: you can  use .debs
[02:35] <CosmoDad> kbrooks: oh I can?
[02:35] <bob2> CosmoDad: about the same
[02:35] <dooglus> you can use ubuntu .deb files, and some debian .deb files.
[02:35] <kbrooks> you just cant use *debian packages built for debian*
[02:35] <HrdwrBob> CosmoDad: the 'universe' repository has most software in it
[02:35] <bob2> TedLemon: hm? ubuntu uses an automated build system to build them all.
[02:35] <nicedreams> bob2, Do I setup the raid then install ubuntu or do I install ubuntu on the first drive then copy it to the second drive and then try to raid it afterwards?
[02:36] <CosmoDad> dooglus: what's the difference between a debian .deb file and a "debian package built for debian" ?
[02:36] <dooglus> you see, ubuntu uses the same extension as debian, but has broken binary compatibility!
[02:36] <HrdwrBob> nicedreams: setup raid in the installer
[02:36] <TedLemon> the reason I ask is that there are some bugs in kmail, and I'd like to fix them, but I totally don't grok how packages are built.
[02:36] <HrdwrBob> dooglus: no, that's incorrect
[02:36] <loku> anyone: how do i change login resolution for low resolution monitor
[02:36] <HrdwrBob> dooglus: 'binary incompatibility' is a misnomer
[02:36] <kbrooks> CosmoDad: ubuntu uses apt
[02:36] <dooglus> CosmoDad: the format is the same, but they are built against different versions of C and C++ libraries
[02:36] <nicedreams> HrdwrBob: So I pick "configure software RAID" in the installer?  I'm in the installer at the partitioner now
[02:36] <kbrooks> apt uses .deb
[02:36] <kbrooks> some packages depend on c/c++ libraries
[02:37] <Ersai_> what would cause ubuntu to reject my attempts to connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 on one machine and be fine on the one next to it?
[02:37] <nicedreams> HrdwrBob: Do I have to setup anything before that, because it erros out
[02:37] <bob2> CosmoDad: as above, the dependencies differ
[02:37] <bob2> Ersai_: sounds like a local problem
[02:37] <kbrooks> and they differ between ubuntu and debian
[02:37] <Ersai_> it is but im unsure of why
[02:37] <TedLemon> what kind of rejection are youg etting - connection timeout or connection refused?
[02:37] <Ersai_> there is no configuration difference between the two systems, except one is running windows and one is running ubuntu
[02:38] <Ersai_> refused connection
[02:38] <TedLemon> wow
[02:38] <CosmoDad> so are you ubuntu guys packaging stuff mainly by yourself, or are you waiting for debian packagers to bundle software so you can later "port" it to ubuntu?
[02:38] <kbrooks> CosmoDad: its not a "port"
[02:38] <kbrooks> CosmoDad: both
[02:38] <CosmoDad> kbrooks: that's why I quoted it
[02:38] <bob2> CosmoDad: much like debian,. ubuntu basically has everything you want in it already
[02:39] <CosmoDad> bob2: yeah I just wanna know how you do that
[02:39] <Ersai_> ok, booted up laptop with ubuntu on it on same network and it connects fine as well.
[02:39] <dooglus> CosmoDad: I think the vast majority of packages in ubuntu are re-builds of existing debian packages
[02:39] <TedLemon> CosmoDad, the difference is just what version of the software is being built, and also in some cases local configuration tweaks to present things ubuntu-style.
[02:39] <CosmoDad> bob2: I can't imagine there're as many ubuntu developers already as in debian
[02:39] <bob2> CosmoDad: what?
[02:39] <bob2> CosmoDad: ubuntu automatically rebuilds the debian source packages on ubuntu
[02:39] <CosmoDad> bob2: ... but I could be wrong, sorry if I
[02:39] <Xenguy> CosmoDad: there is interchange back and forth -- it's all based on the source code ultimately
[02:39] <bob2> CosmoDad: so it has every package Debian has, except for the oens that don't compile anymore
[02:39] <kbrooks> CosmoDad: those ubuntu developers contribute to debian too
[02:39] <TedLemon> Cosmodad: so it's not so much that there is any porting going on, as that the builds are for more current revs of the libraries, etc.
[02:39] <bob2> hm, not so much
[02:40] <kbrooks> without the source code, how could a package be built for a system?
[02:40] <kbrooks> a specific system
[02:40] <CosmoDad> kbrooks: true
[02:40] <kbrooks> with specific compile settings
[02:40] <TedLemon> Nono, a specific ubuntu build, not a specific computer.
[02:40] <bob2> CosmoDad: plus ubuntu has "multiverse", a section of the archive full of stuff Debian (mostly) doesn't have
[02:41] <kbrooks> bob2: whats the point of 'uni' and 'multi'?
[02:41] <CosmoDad> bob2: so that multiverse contains packages ubuntu people built that debian maintainers haven't ye?
[02:41] <CosmoDad> t
[02:41] <seife> Hi
[02:42] <seife> How do i switch from my speakers to my Headphones?
[02:42] <kbrooks> universal .. hmm, yup. what about for multiverse? what is the point of it?
[02:42] <bimberi> kbrooks: multiverse is nonfree aiui
[02:42] <Kris_k> how do you set dma again to yes ?
[02:42] <kbrooks> bimberi: or may be free
[02:42] <seife> How do i switch from my speakers to my Headphones?
[02:42] <kbrooks> *may*
[02:42] <GnuKemist> seife, I think you do that by pluging each device to the proper port in the back of your pc
[02:42] <lllmanulll> seife, Have you tried Sound & Video --> Volume control ?
[02:42] <kbrooks> Kris_k: hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[02:43] <bob2> CosmoDad: no, they're generally things debian people did, but didn't put in Debian (e.g. christian marillat's stuff)
[02:43] <seife> Both are plugged..
[02:43] <Ersai_> fixed it
[02:43] <GnuKemist> seife, have u unmutted them?
[02:43] <bob2> kbrooks: uni = unsupported free software, multi = unsupported non-free software
[02:43] <CosmoDad> bob2: oh ok, that's very convenient
[02:44] <kbrooks> bob2: then why 'multiverse' (the name)?
[02:44] <green_earz> CosmoDad: check out the link for dvd of deconf where mark shuttleworth gave a talk about debian and ubuntu > http://www.debian.org/events/2005/0710-debconf   the link for the dvd images is down at the moment
[02:44] <maxkelley> does anyone have an idea of when 5.10 is coming out?
[02:44] <GnuKemist> maxkelley, oct. 13
[02:44] <ken> EDENTIFY
[02:44] <CosmoDad> so ubuntu provides its own infrastructure of repository servers which are totally independent of deb reps?
[02:44] <ken> identify
[02:44] <Kris_k> man i tryed it in both dvd players it does the same thing :(
[02:44] <misfit_toy> what is the apt-get name to get beep media player skins?
[02:44] <sproingie> my goodness, those folks at opera are slick.  i expected just "a linux version"
[02:44] <Kris_k> works on windows so i dont think its the dvd drives
[02:44] <seife> i actually im not having sound on my USB headphones
[02:45] <sproingie> they have packaged for like every version of every major distro
[02:45] <amias> misfit_toy, you could use 'apt-cache search beep ' to find possible targets
[02:45] <bob2> kbrooks: it was made after universe did, and is supposed to be "beyond" that (lame pop physics joke)
[02:45] <kbrooks> sproingie: yeah very slick
[02:45] <ken> need help getting wine to run.... where is after I install it??
[02:45] <misfit_toy> amias, k thanks
[02:45] <bimberi> CosmoDad: yes - (<mirror>.)archive.ubuntu.com
[02:45] <kbrooks> bob2: it is!
[02:45] <CosmoDad> green_earz: cool I will
[02:45] <green_earz> np
[02:46] <Xenguy> ken: OPI: /join #winehq
[02:46] <GnuKemist> ken, type whereis wine
[02:46] <ken> what does opi mean..
[02:46] <kbrooks> OPI?
[02:46] <kbrooks> !opi
[02:46] <ubotu> kbrooks: What?
[02:46] <ken> where do I type it?
[02:46] <malv> ok, i updated to breezy, and now my soundcard doesn't show a master
[02:46] <Xenguy> ken: Of Possible Interest
[02:46] <Xenguy> ken: or type 'which wine'
[02:46] <GnuKemist> ken, open up a console window
[02:46] <malv> and consequently, I hear nothing from the speakers
[02:46] <ken> ok
[02:46] <eythian> ken: winehq.org , they have debs.
[02:47] <bimberi> CosmoDad: this page might be of interest too - http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship/
[02:47] <zeroverse> to open up "console window" go to applications > accessories > terminal
[02:47] <ken> already installed.... just can find it in menu.. or
[02:47] <GnuKemist> malv, how about pcm?
[02:47] <malv> pcm is there
[02:47] <malv> master is not
[02:47] <Xenguy> ubotu: OPI is er, from memory, that would be -> Of Possible Interest
[02:47] <ubotu> okay, Xenguy
[02:47] <CosmoDad> the main reason I'm thinking about switching to ubuntu is that I heard HP was building linux-"compatible" notebooks together with ubuntu devs
[02:47] <ken> ok thanks... kinda new to linux and stuff.. thanks
[02:47] <misfit_toy> hmmm, no beep skins in repos, oh well
[02:47] <CosmoDad> bimberi: thx I started reading that
[02:47] <GnuKemist> ken, sometimes an icons doesn't get created for the applications you install
[02:47] <Xenguy> !OPI
[02:47] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, opi is er, from memory, that would be -> Of Possible Interest
[02:47] <bimberi> CosmoDad: yw :)
[02:47] <cevizoglu> kewl, recovered ubuntu after a windows install :)
[02:48] <GnuKemist> misfit_toy, try to get skins for xmms
[02:48] <GnuKemist> misfit_toy, they both work
[02:48] <misfit_toy> GnuKemist, alrighty then, thanks
[02:48] <GnuKemist> mister_roboto, yw  =)
[02:48] <zblach> hey. i have a logitech wireless kb with media buttons. how do i use em with xmms?
[02:48] <GnuKemist> misfit_toy, yw
[02:48] <CosmoDad> so can anyone comment on whether HP notebooks and ubuntu support all hardware aspects like win32 does?
[02:49] <smo> I don't appear to beable to switch virtual terminals anymore .. regardless of option dontvtswitch in xorg.conf - am I missing some new detail with xorg?
[02:49] <GnuKemist> CosmoDad, I had a HP laptop and everything worked... the only thing I never cared to check were the function keys on top
[02:49] <zeroverse> well, i don't have a single HP component in my box and all hardware works
[02:50] <zeroverse> so i imagine if HP is going to work with any linux distros they won't have a very tough time getting things to work since they probably already do
[02:50] <cevizoglu> CosmoDad: you should check out the ubuntu laptop support wiki
[02:50] <amias> CosmoDad, take an ubuntu livecd to your local laptop shop and see what works
[02:50] <misfit_toy> GnuKemist, the weird thing is the only audio players that work since tuesday's update are totem and beep, xmms and amarok went on holiday. strange.
[02:50] <Xenguy> CosmoDad: linux-laptop.net
[02:50] <kurtbec> CosmoDad: if you want a laptop with good linux support I would take a look at an ibm
[02:50] <HrdwrBob> CosmoDad: dependsonthe model
[02:50] <HrdwrBob> but yes,IBM
[02:50] <VeRiTTo> HI
[02:50] <GnuKemist> misfit_toy, update to Breezy?
[02:51] <misfit_toy> GnuKemist, yeah
[02:51] <GnuKemist> misfit_toy, haven't taken the plunge yet
[02:51] <Xenguy> CosmoDad: thinkpads have a good track record
[02:51] <CosmoDad> kurtbec: I've had my experience with Thinkpads, there're quite well supported, just wondered if HP's linux campaign makes things even more smooth
[02:51] <GnuKemist> misfit_toy, if no solutions, file a bug
[02:51] <kurtbec> if only ibm had some better multimedia hardware it would be great but I guess that really isn't their target market.
[02:51] <amias> GnuKemist, its quicker and more stable on my laptop and desktop
[02:52] <kurtbec> CosmoDad: I'm working on an hp right now and I can guarantee it will be the last.
[02:52] <HrdwrBob> GnuKemist: snap :)
[02:52] <CosmoDad> kurtbec: how come?
[02:52] <misfit_toy> GnuKemist, yeah, I know...just wondered if anyone else has seen this.
[02:52] <VeRiTTo> HOw Can I download to manpages-es? but from windows
[02:52] <GnuKemist> amias, breezy?
[02:52] <breakthestate> does ubuntu come with any webcam software?
[02:52] <CosmoDad> cevizoglu: can you give me the URL of that wiki?
[02:52] <GnuKemist> HrdwrBob, hehe  =)
[02:52] <amias> GnuKemist, yup
[02:52] <CosmoDad> kurtbec: do you have one of the newer, "HP-Linux-supported" ones?
[02:52] <GnuKemist> amias, looking forward to the "jump" next Thursday
[02:52] <Xenguy> o/~ Let them eat war! o/~
[02:52] <kurtbec> CosmoDad: Its not quite two years old and I've had to replace the mousepad, the cdrom and now the screen is starting to flicker.
[02:53] <kurtbec> and I'm pretty careful with it.
[02:53] <amias> GnuKemist, tis nice , make sure you add usplash :)
[02:53] <VeRiTTo> HI
[02:53] <CosmoDad> kurtbec: that sucks
[02:53] <GnuKemist> amias, will remember that... I will then update my desktop too
[02:53] <VeRiTTo> help me please!
[02:54] <VeRiTTo> HOw Can I download to manpages-es? but from windows
[02:54] <cevizoglu> CosmoDad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[02:54] <erirlar> hi, is there a way that i can right klick on the desktop so that the gnome menu popps up?
[02:54] <CosmoDad> cevizoglu: thanks
[02:54] <cevizoglu> CosmoDad: cross-ref that with linux-laptop.net
[02:54] <kbrooks> VeRiTTo: packages.ubuntu.com
[02:54] <TedLemon> Weird, there doesn't seem to be a dchroot package for breezy.
[02:54] <bimberi> VeRiTTo: http://packages.ubuntu.com  - search then downoad
[02:54] <kbrooks> bimberi: Faster than u XD
[02:55] <kurtbec> CosmoDad: yes it does.  Ibm's are built like tanks.  Hopefully Lenovo continues to produce quality laptops because their ibm desktops have gotten really cheap since they started producing them.
[02:55] <bimberi> kbrooks: hehe, not hard, but it did type more :P
[02:55] <bimberi> but typoed :/
[02:55] <sambagirl> ok i did a live cd boot that other thing threw me
[02:56] <kurtbec> anyone recompiled their kernel and been able to keep the nice ubuntu splash in there?
[02:56] <sambagirl> someone said i could do recovery or type Top
[02:57] <cevizoglu> kurtbec: uhhh... the t series from ibm has had very few problems.. and that's with around 30 laptops over a couple years
[02:57] <CosmoDad> well guys thanks for the starter. Gonna try out ubuntu these days.
[02:57] <Xenguy> CosmoDad: recommended :-)
[02:57] <bimberi> CosmoDad: you jolly well should, after all that :)
[02:57] <kurtbec> cevizoglu: I agree t's are nice.
[02:58] <kurtbec> i said their desktops have gotten very cheap since Lenovo started building them not their laptops, yet...
[02:58] <sambagirl> so i must format and start over i suppose... losing everything...
[02:58] <jmg> cevizoglu: 30 laptops over a couple of years to me sounds lioke problems. :)
[02:58] <sambagirl> ok
[02:58] <VeRiTTo> but How to install manpages-es
[02:58] <erirlar> is there a way that i can right klick on the desktop so that the gnome menu popps up?
[02:58] <jmg> sambagirl: whats broken?
[02:58] <cevizoglu> jmg: for 30 people?
[02:58] <Seveas> VeRiTTo, apt-get install manpages-ed
[02:58] <Seveas> VeRiTTo, apt-get install manpages-es
[02:58] <jmg> cevizoglu: ahh.. lol
[02:59] <kbrooks> gparted
[02:59] <abidin> !
[02:59] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, abidin
[02:59] <abidin> dpasd
[02:59] <abidin> d
[02:59] <abidin> asd
[02:59] <abidin> asd
[02:59] <abidin> asd
[02:59] <abidin> asd
[02:59] <abidin> as
[02:59] <jmg> parted hosed my box
[02:59] <abidin> d
[02:59] <seife> How do i switch from my speakers to my Headphones?
[02:59] <jmg> !lart abidin
[02:59] <guidan> how do i use wine?
[02:59] <Xenguy> bye
[02:59] <sambagirl> everything
[02:59] <VeRiTTo> but i download manpages-es-extra_0.8a.orig.tar
[02:59] <kurtbec> drink it
[03:00] <TedLemon> First you take out the cork.   Then you pour it in a glass.
[03:00] <sambagirl> i guess i willl just format and start over.
[03:00] <breakthestate> so i'm reading the linux howto for webcams, my modules are already loaded i believe, what software should i use with my webcam, any suggestions?
[03:00] <cevizoglu> ubotu, AOL CD's are good for nothing
[03:00] <ubotu> cevizoglu: okay
[03:00] <TedLemon> Allow time for it to breathe.
[03:00] <sambagirl> bbl chao
[03:00] <cevizoglu> hehe
[03:00] <sambagirl> canont even do a root logon
[03:00] <kbrooks> jmg: not appropriate to lart
[03:00] <bimberi> VeRiTTo: it's available in ubuntu's universe repository
[03:00] <sambagirl> bye
[03:00] <Seveas> VeRiTTo, you thtow that away again
[03:01] <Seveas> and install the manpages with apt-get
[03:01] <kbrooks> whats gtkmm?
[03:01] <Xenguy> kbrooks: apt-cache show gtkmm
[03:01] <kurtbec> breakthestate: xawtv is a pretty common app to use with webcams.  usually comes with motv which has a better interface.  think there is also a gtk based on gtcam or something like that.
[03:01] <mylastmorning> hello?
[03:01] <TedLemon> does anyone here know how to set up a build environment hosted on breezy?
[03:01] <VeRiTTo> but this pc is not in ubuntu
[03:02] <Seveas> TedLemon, apt-get install build-essential
[03:02] <dooglus> TedLemon: install "build-essential"
[03:02] <Seveas> VeRiTTo, then why in earth are you asking questions in here?
[03:02] <breakthestate> kurtbec: thx, is there a default webcam dev name in /dev for ubuntu?
[03:02] <bimberi> VeRiTTo: then download via packages.ubuntu.com, transfer to ubuntu machine and "sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb"
[03:02] <TedLemon> Seveas, dooglus, so just build without chroot?
[03:02] <breakthestate> or is it just /dev/video?
[03:03] <Seveas> TedLemon, pbuilder is an easy chroot system
[03:03] <kurtbec> breakthestate: that or /dev/video0
[03:03] <TedLemon> ok.
[03:03] <VeRiTTo> because, My pc is not on internet, and this pc is far way from my house and here there is internet
[03:03] <Seveas> TedLemon, info on hoe to set it up can be found in the wiiki
[03:03] <breakthestate> kurtbec: hmmmmmmmm, maybe all my modules aren't loaded
[03:03] <TedLemon> Yeah, the wiki starts with dchroot, thus my confusion.   :')
[03:03] <Seveas> VeRiTTo, right, take bimberis advise then
[03:03] <kurtbec> what kind of cam breakthestate
[03:03] <lllmanulll> mylastmorning, hello :)
[03:03] <TedLemon> I will see if I can get going by saerching for pbuilder.
[03:04] <breakthestate> logitech quickcam
[03:04] <VeRiTTo> Seveas thanks!
[03:04] <kurtbec> breakthestate: dmesg tell you anything good?
[03:05] <breakthestate> kurbec: yeah
[03:05] <smo> Is there anything obvious in xorg that'd stop me switching to virtual terminals (besides the dontvtswitch that's designed to do that).  I haven't been able to do so since hoary, and it's wearing thin
[03:05] <dooglus> I installed a .deb package and then deleted the .deb file.  Can I somehow get a list of its dependancies now?
[03:05] <breakthestate> kurtbed: is there a pastebin people here use a lot?
[03:06] <dooglus> !paste
[03:06] <ubotu> [paste]  please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:06] <kurtbec> guess so... ;-)
[03:06] <mister_roboto> smo: I just now did it on my laptop that is upgraded to breezy. works here too on hoary. how are you trying to switch?
[03:06] <breakthestate> kurtbec: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2834
[03:07] <smo> mister_roboto: ctrl+alt+Fn (same way as I have for _years_)
[03:07] <bimberi> dooglus: dpkg -p <package>
[03:07] <smo> (Fn being F1, F2, etc, not a funky laptop function key)
[03:07] <mister_roboto> smo: hmmm... it just plain works on my two machines.   <shrug>  don't know what would break that
[03:07] <dooglus> bimberi: thanks.  i'll try that.
[03:07] <bimberi> dooglus: yw
[03:08] <seife> how do i install the msttfonts pack?
[03:08] <Madpilot> seife: isn't it in Multiverse repo?
[03:08] <mister_roboto> smo: sure you don't have a stuck shift, ctl or alt key or something?
[03:08] <Xenguy> seife: I couldn't find it last time I looked
[03:08] <bimberi> seife: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts (in multiverse)
[03:08] <amias> smo: i had that problem , go to System -> Preferences -> Keyboard  and change alt-win key behaviour in the shortcuts layout options tab
[03:09] <smo> pretty certain, they work for everything else (and switch just fine once gdm's stopped)
[03:09] <Xenguy> seife: let me know if you find them - I'm pretty sure I couldn't see them
[03:09] <dooglus> bimberi: it lists information, but conflicts with what 'debfoster' tells me.
[03:09] <mister_roboto> amias: good to know that little trick!
[03:09] <seife> Xenguy, i couldnt see too, ive been looking for em since two days ago.
[03:10] <seife> Madpilot, i got all my repositories updated
[03:10] <mylastmorning> does anyone not recommend installing Americas Army?
[03:10] <seife> I dont see the package.
[03:10] <Xenguy> seife: and multiverse is enabled for you?
[03:10] <bimberi> dooglus: sry, not sure about that :|
[03:10] <seife> I would like to know how to switch from speakers to headphones, ive both plugged, i just hear the speakers
[03:10] <amias> mister_roboto, it bugged me for ages !
[03:10] <smo> amias: Looks like that's getting me closer to the root problem .. every option I change in there, I get n error dialog feeding me "Error activating XKB configuration."
[03:10] <seife> Xenguy, how do i enable multiverse? you mean on the repositories?
[03:10] <Xenguy> seife: yes
[03:10] <seife> Yes. they are
[03:10] <Xenguy> seife: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:11] <breakthestate> kurtbec: ???
[03:11] <Xenguy> seife: sounds like the same problem I was experiencing
[03:11] <Xenguy> seife: and hoary, yes?
[03:11] <seife>  Xenguy: Yes.
[03:11] <Madpilot> seife: running Hoary or Breezy?
[03:11] <amias> smo, does your /etc/x11/xorg.conf file mention xkb ?
[03:11] <Xenguy> seife: nod
[03:12] <rob__> hey everybody
[03:12] <dooglus> I'm having a problem with debfoster: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2835  Can someone help me please?
[03:12] <smo> amias: Not at all
[03:12] <amias> smo, that'll be it
[03:12] <mylastmorning> QUESTION, when installing America's Army, what should the install path and the link path be?
[03:12] <seife> Madpilot, Hoary.
[03:12] <seife> Xenguy, hoary is f0x0red.
[03:13] <amias> mylastmorning, oh don't tempt me ;-)
[03:13] <mylastmorning> amias, do you know?
[03:13] <breakthestate> kurtbec: maybe i didn't load all the right modules?  i didn't find my USBID on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras?highlight=%28webcam%29
[03:13] <dooglus> mylastmorning: I think he was tempted to tell you just where you can 'install' america's army
[03:14] <rob__> quick questions: you know that program under System-Administration Menu called Boot, or Boot Manager that was part of Breezy for a while?  What happened to it?  What was that programs name?   How can I re-install it?    (I can modefy lilo pritty easily manually, but Grub is a whole new process)
[03:14] <Madpilot> seife: I'm still running Hoary too. Let me check if the msfonts are still around...
[03:14] <mylastmorning> dooglus, where should I install the link path???
[03:14] <thompa> anybody know how to add a port 8443?
[03:14] <mylastmorning> dooglus /usr/sbin?
[03:14] <amias> mylastmorning, no but i'm tempted to say back in america but its probably not the answer you wanted
[03:14] <dooglus> mylastmorning: I've not idea, sorry.
[03:14] <mylastmorning> crap
[03:14] <dooglus> thompa: what do you want to add it to?
[03:14] <mylastmorning> amias... do you know where to install link paths?
[03:14] <smo> amias: Restarted with those added; now I'm getting the same error dialog when I login to gnome  (altho xprop shows the settings have taken hold)
[03:15] <mylastmorning> amias, /usr/sbin?
[03:15] <thompa> usually i add it to the end of my ip address in a browser :8443
[03:15] <thompa> it opens plesk
[03:15] <kurtbec> breakthestate: have you tried a v4l viewing app?
[03:15] <breakthestate> kurtbec: would a restart help? does ubuntu attempt to autodetect usb devices and load the right modules if present?
[03:15] <dooglus> thompa: so what's the problem?
[03:15] <amias> mylastmorning, if you don't know where to put it then a safe bet would be to make a directory in your home dir and put there , minimal chance of damage
[03:15] <breakthestate> kurtbec: sry no, but i figured it wouldn't work since i can't find /dev/video*
[03:16] <seife> Madpilot, ok, im here waiting..
[03:16] <rob__> no buddy knows what I am talking about?
[03:16] <Lord_Maynoth> does anyone else have  problems after using synaptic to update their hoary install?
[03:16] <thompa> could not connect
[03:16] <amias> smo, breezy or warty ?
[03:16] <Lord_Maynoth> I have formated twice
[03:16] <mylastmorning> ok amias.
[03:16] <Lord_Maynoth> and evertime I update it screws it up
[03:16] <kurtbec> breakthestate: do you see v4l in the output of lsmod?
[03:16] <smo> breezy
[03:16] <amias> smo, or indeed hoary
[03:16] <thompa> do i need to sudo it or something?
[03:16] <Dr_Fate> I don't like the auto update reminder
[03:16] <rob__> Lord_Maynoth, my laptop randomly crashes on me when running synaptic (been running breezy fro a while)
[03:17] <kurtbec> breakthestate: reboot won't do any good.   closest thing you could do is unplug it from usb port and then plug it back in.
[03:17] <smo> amias: It's been like this since the transition to xorg.  I've been tempted to re-install, but for odd reasons I'm attached to a very particular version of lvm
[03:17] <dooglus> thompa: is 'plesk' installed and running?
[03:17] <Madpilot> seife: the ms ttf stuff seems to be gone from all the repos
[03:17] <thompa> yes
[03:17] <Lord_Maynoth> like my add/remove programs locks up
[03:17] <thompa> on a remote server
[03:17] <Lord_Maynoth> if I update using synaptic
[03:17] <Lord_Maynoth> anyone else get that
[03:17] <Lord_Maynoth> I posted in the forums
[03:17] <Madpilot> seife: you can double check packages.ubuntu.com if you like, but it does seem to be removed
[03:17] <Lord_Maynoth> and other people had the issue also
[03:17] <dooglus> thompa: can you connect to that server from any other machine?
[03:17] <Lord_Maynoth> but no one knew how to fix it
[03:17] <Lord_Maynoth> other than reformating and not updating
[03:17] <thompa> doodlus: I just did on my notebook
[03:18] <thompa> ill try it again
[03:18] <amias> smo, is it at all non standard ? (e.g. laptop , wireless keyboard , bluetooth , etc )
[03:18] <crimsun> Lord_Maynoth: does it occur with aptitude and apt-get as well?
[03:18] <seife> Madpilot, can u link me?
[03:18] <rob__> Lord_Maynoth: running both at once? dont they both use apt-get?
[03:18] <seife> Madpilot, can u link me?
[03:18] <Lord_Maynoth> yeah synaptic is just a front end for apt-get
[03:18] <Madpilot> seife: http://package.ubuntu.com and then search there...
[03:18] <crimsun> (no, it's a frontend for libapt)
[03:18] <Lord_Maynoth> my bad
[03:19] <Lord_Maynoth> I dont use apt-get its lame
[03:19] <thompa> man this is bad. i got some 6000 spam messages
[03:19] <Lord_Maynoth> :P
[03:19] <crimsun> please test with aptitude and see if you can reproduce it
[03:19] <Lord_Maynoth> if you look on the forums there are others also who can reproduce it
[03:19] <rob__> so does anyone know what that graphical Grub Boot Manager was called?   i would like to re-install it
[03:19] <smo> amias: Fairly normal .. MS internet keyboard, all ps/2 (I do like their hardware  hehe)
[03:19] <eythian> I have an address that I use with the wine app database and bug tracker, and it mostly gets spam offering cheaps microsoft and adobe products :)
[03:19] <Lord_Maynoth> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=64872
[03:20] <emma> rob__: it was a component in gnome-system-tools
[03:20] <thompa> mail server is fked totally now
[03:20] <mister_roboto> !grub
[03:20] <ubotu> [grub]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[03:20] <rob__> emma: thank you.
[03:20] <amias> smo, should be pretty normal i think
[03:20] <crimsun> that thread is less than helpful
[03:20] <emma> rob__: boot admin was disabled (not built) because it was not working properly
[03:21] <smo> amias: I'll be back in 5. Going to create a fresh user account to see if it's my settings or X's
[03:21] <erirlar> is there a way i can right klick on the desktop so that the gnome menu will pop up?
[03:21] <amias> smo, good idea
[03:22] <rob__> emma:  oh dear thats a problem, when it uninstalled for some reason my default grub settings were wiped out is there any replacement type program?
[03:22] <amias> erirlar, you could bind it to the windows key
[03:22] <erirlar> amias, how can i do that?
[03:22] <thompa> dooglus: no my plesk is broke. nevermind
[03:22] <dooglus> thompa: what is plesk by the way?
[03:22] <Chambers`> hmm..even with the upgraded Evolution, i still think there is somethig wrong
[03:23] <erirlar> amias, nevermind i got it ;)
[03:23] <amias> erirlar,  System->Preferences->Keyboard third tab
[03:23] <WhyvasLT> how do i get the kernel sources installed?
[03:23] <thompa> like cpanel
[03:23] <WhyvasLT> the one in synaptics is old
[03:23] <seife> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/x11/msttcorefonts <= im here, where do i download
[03:23] <dooglus> oh, right
[03:23] <thompa> its a control panel for domain admin or server admin etc
[03:24] <thompa> nice bright gui icons.
[03:24] <amias> WhyvasLT, 'sudo apt-get install linux-sources-x.x.xx' where x is the version you want
[03:24] <WhyvasLT> amias, thanks
[03:24] <amias> !kernel-sources
[03:24] <ubotu> amias: I give up, what is it?
[03:24] <apprentice> hello
[03:24] <kbrooks> amias: add it if you like
[03:24] <thompa> dooglus: i was testing an open relay and got spammed really bad it seems,  now smtp mail is broken
[03:25] <bimberi> seife: click on the word "all" in the download section (under "Architecture")
[03:25] <amias> ubotu, kernel-sources is 'sudo apt-get install linux-sources-x.x.xx' where x is the version you want
[03:25] <ubotu> okay, amias
[03:25] <Skelator> hey,... I'm on Breezy.... what do I need to do on 13th october?
[03:25] <Lord_Maynoth> format
[03:25] <Lord_Maynoth> :P
[03:25] <HrdwrBob> have a party
[03:25] <N17R0> rofl
[03:25] <dooglus> thompa: I guess that's what happens to open relays...
[03:25] <Lord_Maynoth> install windows98 instead
[03:25] <kbrooks> Lord_Maynoth: please don't joke around...
[03:25] <N17R0> im dist-upgrading atm
[03:25] <dooglus> thompa: still, if you ever run out of viagra...
[03:25] <Lord_Maynoth> just kidding
[03:25] <thompa> stupid mistake on my part
[03:25] <WhyvasLT> Couldn't find package linux-sources-2.6.12
[03:25] <amias> Skelator, sit back relax and watch the rest of the world catch up
[03:26] <N17R0> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[03:26] <N17R0> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[03:26] <rob__> Skelator: you could system - administration- update manager
[03:26] <seife> bimberi, i downloaded it, now what.
[03:26] <seife> where do i have to unpack those files
[03:26] <thompa> back to work seeya!
[03:26] <amias> WhyvasLT, try kernel-sources , linux-sources is there for breezy
[03:26] <WhyvasLT> ok
[03:26] <Lord_Maynoth> do you guys think they will auto-detect and mount your windows volumes by the time dapper drake comes out?
[03:27] <WhyvasLT> amias, same thing
[03:27] <crimsun> WhyvasLT: if you're on Hoary, you want linux-source-2.6.10
[03:27] <WhyvasLT> im on breezy
[03:27] <HrdwrBob> you probably don't wnat the full source
[03:27] <HrdwrBob> only the headers
[03:27] <crimsun> it's linux-source-2.6.12, then.
[03:27] <crimsun> not -sources-
[03:27] <eythian> seife: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[03:27] <WhyvasLT> crimsun, thanks
[03:28] <amias> WhyvasLT, have you run 'apt-get update' recently ?
[03:28] <bimberi> seife: are you doing this on an ubuntu system? why not enable the multiverse repository and use apt-get/synaptic and get and install it
[03:28] <bimberi> ?
[03:28] <WhyvasLT> never
[03:28] <laforge> /etc/X11/xorg.conf is suppose to point to where is breezy?
[03:28] <WhyvasLT> i use synaptics
[03:28] <WhyvasLT> synaptic
[03:28] <crimsun> laforge: it's not a symlink
[03:28] <laforge> crimsun what do you mean?
[03:28] <bimberi> seife: anyway, to install  -  "sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb"
[03:28] <crimsun> laforge: I mean it's a conffile; it doesn't "point" anywhere.
[03:28] <amias> WhyvasLT, do the update first to get the new package list , 2.6.12 is pretty new
[03:29] <laforge> well bimberi last night told me it should point to somewhere, crimsun
[03:29] <amias> WhyvasLT, and your cached package list is to old to know about it
[03:29] <crimsun> erm, what is it supposed to "point" to?
[03:29] <WhyvasLT> yeah it's working now
[03:29] <crimsun> it has dozens of configuration fields
[03:29] <bimberi> laforge: no, that's not right
[03:29] <WhyvasLT> i need this to compile ndiswrapper right?
[03:29] <WhyvasLT> or do i just need the headers?
[03:29] <laforge> bimberi: ?
[03:29] <crimsun> WhyvasLT: just the headers.
[03:30] <amias> WhyvasLT, dunno , never tried it
[03:30] <seife> bimberi, i cant dunno why
[03:30] <WhyvasLT> crap
[03:30] <crimsun> WhyvasLT: aren't you using ndiswrapper-source in Breezy?
[03:30] <seife> bimberi, explain me please i have the package and i dont know where to unzip
[03:30] <crimsun> WhyvasLT: better yet, why not just use ndiswrapper that's already compiled?
[03:30] <WhyvasLT> i just downloaded the current one off the website
[03:30] <crimsun> WhyvasLT: ndiswrapper-utils
[03:30] <joetheodd> !cedega
[03:30] <ubotu> help for cedega is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega and for a list of working games see http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[03:31] <bimberi> laforge: that forums page said to edit xorg.conf and modify the fonts section to point to the correct location of your fonts
[03:31] <Chambers`> hey guys, after setting up Evolution to use an exchange server, i get this error.  Anyone know what it means or how to fix? "Error while scanning folders in" Exchange Server Home" Could not connect to Evolution Exchange backend process: no such file or directory"
[03:31] <bimberi> seife: you don't need to unzip it.  just download the file somewhere and run the command i told you
[03:31] <ksmurf> I tried to add p4-clockmod for startup to init.d but it doesn't start? How do I do it or where can I find a how-to on adding modules(if that what this is)
[03:31] <laforge> bimberi: ohh, did check the forum page, just copyed what you sent, let me check it out
[03:32] <seife> i ran it
[03:32] <seife> Drectory dont exist
[03:32] <seife> Thats what it tells me
[03:32] <ksmurf> I have to modprobe every time and then powernowd
[03:32] <ksmurf> any ideas?
[03:32] <bimberi> seife:  please paste the command you ran and the error to a pastebin
[03:33] <bimberi> !pastebin
[03:33] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:33] <seife> ok sec
[03:34] <jsubl2> Chambers you on breezy
[03:35] <Chambers`> jsubl2: yes i am
[03:35] <Chambers`> with the latest updates
[03:35] <bimberi> laforge: from my reading of it you need to change the FontPath entries in xorg.conf from /usr/lib/X11/fonts to /usr/share/fonts (or whatever that page said).
[03:35] <don824chan> hey guys i have a slight problem trying to install a program called gmask, as it is only japanese
[03:35] <Chambers`> just d/led like 232MB worth this morning :P
[03:35] <jsubl2> Chambers`: check out this thread  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65293
[03:35] <Chambers`> ok, thanks
[03:37] <Pickle_Weasel> what's the firewall name?
[03:37] <don824chan> does anyone here speak japanese who can help me?
[03:37] <Pickle_Weasel> the built in one
[03:37] <Pickle_Weasel> i can't think of it
[03:37] <N17R0> firestarter?
[03:37] <bimberi> Pickle_Weasel: iptables? firestarter?
[03:37] <Pickle_Weasel> iptables, that's it
[03:37] <Pickle_Weasel> thanks once again ^.^
[03:37] <bimberi> :)
[03:37] <WhyvasLT> what package is the kernel headers?
[03:38] <WhyvasLT> kernel-headers-2.6.12 ?
[03:38] <bimberi> Pickle_Weasel: you've been asking Q's within my limited knowledge set :)
[03:38] <laforge> bimberi: my FontPath is set to /usr/share/X11/fonts/
[03:38] <Pickle_Weasel> haha, i know how that goes, i installed ubuntu, knew nothing about it, learned some basic things in a matter of 2 days, come in here for help, and ended up helping 5 people myself
[03:39] <don824chan> i think i'm following the instructions but i get tons of error messages when i try to "make" the gmask
[03:39] <bimberi> laforge: ah, and does that directory exist?
[03:39] <laforge> bimberi: yes
[03:39] <[troin] > hello
[03:40] <[troin] > i've got trouble with my ubuntu linux, It cannot connect to my wifi network
[03:40] <bimberi> laforge: darn, then that's probably not the issue then :/