[09:52] <gigcs> I have question????
[09:52] <polpak> darksoul: there are worms that can compromise certain daemons.. But those are mostly out of date servers. If you keep up to date with your security updates and manage your firewalls right it's hard to get infected with anything
[09:52] <Hhhhh> thoreauputic, I meant to ask how well it is working, like for example, is flash working well in breezy 64-bit?
[09:52] <th3flawl3ss1> ok, i need to run the macromedia suite so im guessin thats not the greatest
[09:52] <darksoul> polpak: sould i install the firewall?
[09:52] <thoreauputic> Drelives: well, if /tmp isn't too full of files, trial and error I guess
[09:52] <polpak> derrickw: actually, the directx support is making great strides
[09:52] <onkarshinde> All the pacakge lists on my machine will be deleted on every reboot. Has anyone else faced this?
[09:52] <Hhhhh> thoreauputic, I'm trying to evaluate against other distros
[09:52] <derrickw> polpak - it's still poor
[09:52] <apes> darksoul, linux is secure by default -- unless you mung it up yourself
[09:52] <polpak> darksoul: use synaptic to get "Firestarter"
[09:52] <thoreauputic> Hhhhh: issues with flash and java etc
[09:52] <lancer285> derrickw, I have a buddy on Warcraft that's using Wine (not cedega) to play it
[09:53] <polpak> darksoul: it makes managing your firewall very easy
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Hhhhh: and of course win 32  codecs
[09:53] <apes> darksoul, viruses on linux are pretty much useless, because they wpmt have root privs
[09:53] <darksoul> apes: somone will hack it at some point --never think that its inpossible...but its VERY hard.. lol
[09:53] <Hhhhh> thoreauputic, are there work arounds?
[09:53] <Drelives> thoreauputic, ok....let's put to work....i'll come back to annoy you guys later....ghghgh
[09:53] <polpak> darksoul: linux has a built in firewall, you just have to configure it properly.
[09:53] <onkarshinde> thoreauputic: Can you help me with my one particular problem?
[09:53] <darksoul> polpak: were?
[09:53] <derrickw> lancer285 - i don't know, i tried to play fallout 2 in wine and it runs like hell.
[09:53] <polpak> darksoul: where what?
[09:53] <apes> darksoul, there have been worms in server software, but no viruses in recent history
[09:53] <theoddbo1> i tried to play fallout2 in vmware it sucked there too :)
[09:54] <thoreauputic> Hhhhh: I don't run 64 bit, but I believe the method involves a 32 bit chroot
[09:54] <lancer285> derrickw, Yah I don't know. that's just what he said. I use wine for my script writing software, and it runs great.
[09:54] <darksoul> apes: it prob wont happen. im just not overuling the possiblity
[09:54] <foxgamer> I am having a problem with ubuntu. Can anyone spare some time to help?
[09:54] <gigcs> i sign packageS HowTo.
[09:54] <darksoul> polpak: this "built in" firewall
[09:54] <derrickw> lancer285 - yes, but the prolem is the directx support, hence fallout not running well
[09:54] <polpak> foxgamer: just ask your question
[09:54] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: try disabling daily updates in synaptic
[09:54] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: if it's what I think it is
[09:54] <polpak> darksoul: it can be controlled via commandline using the iptables command
[09:54] <th3flawl3ss1> so how do i install wine or cedega?
[09:55] <lancer285> derrickw, yah, makes sense .
[09:55] <onkarshinde> thoreauputic: I never enabled it.
[09:55] <polpak> darksoul: but I suggest using Firestarter to make it much easier
[09:55] <darksoul> polpak: i got a freekin 8mb download connection, and no matter what i do, no matter were, its slower then 1mb
[09:55] <lancer285> th3flawl3ss1, check out transgaming.com
[09:55] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: it's eneabled by default :)
[09:55] <foxgamer> Thank you polpak :) I have been trying for several days and have scrutinised the forums to get my ati graphics card working with 64bit ubuntu. Has anyone managed this yet?
[09:55] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: turn it off
[09:55] <onkarshinde> Synaptic gives me error 'Could not stat something' on every reboot. It happens only for universe and multiverse.
[09:55] <polpak> th3flawl3ssl: cedega is subscription based software available from transgaming.com
[09:56] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: only those repos? That sounds different then
[09:56] <darksoul> polpak: well they need money...we need the real companys that are rising for linux..
[09:56] <lancer285> is there a way to globally edit an ID tag of a bunch of mp3s?
[09:56] <polpak> foxgamer: I use ATI, but not 64bit ubuntu.. sorry I can't be of more help
[09:56] <onkarshinde> thoreauputic: I know someone who has faced this problem before. But he is not logged in.
[09:56] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: I had an issue where anacron tried to access th e network with apt even when I wasn't connected
[09:56] <gigcs> Please answer.
[09:57] <foxgamer> Setting it up on 32bit was easy enough. I didn't have a problem. But with 64bit? It seems impossible!
[09:57] <polpak> darksoul: I wasn't complaining about paying. I was just pointing him to the appropriate location
[09:57] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: result - the error you describe
[09:57] <darksoul> polpak: i know...im just wondering why so little people make games in linux...
[09:57] <lancer285> darksoul, cause according to M$ linux isn't ready for the desktop
[09:58] <onkarshinde> thoreauputic: Do you mean I have to stop anacron? And why the hell it is doing that?
[09:58] <Hopelessness> darksoul: Because there's not too much money to be made in it?
[09:58] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: no, i mean you have to sop synaptic auto updating
[09:58] <thoreauputic> *stop
[09:58] <darksoul> lancer285: right now its not ready for games..it IS ready for the desktop.
[09:58] <polpak> darksoul: lots of reasons, but none of them terribly good.
[09:58] <darksoul> personaly i think linux sould make its own code like direct 3d....
[09:58] <lancer285> darksoul, my games run faster in linux than they do in windows. Better fps, they load faster, etc
[09:59] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: butthat's assuming your problem is the same as the one I debugged here
[09:59] <polpak> darksoul: nah.. openGL is sufficient
[09:59] <Madpilot> darksoul: OpenGL works just fine...
[09:59] <darksoul> since linux is not based on m$ at all...
[09:59] <polpak> darksoul: but wine is working to get a d3d api working under linux
[09:59] <apes> how to turn off system beeping?  bell-style none in .bashrc does not work
[09:59] <onkarshinde> thoreauputic: I will try. Not at home currently.
[09:59] <thoreauputic> apes:  xset b off
[09:59] <apes> thoreauputic, in .bashrc ?
[10:00] <thoreauputic> apes: or set it in gnome - under sounds IIRC
[10:00] <thoreauputic> apes:  I just type it in the terminal :)
[10:00] <apes> thoreauputic, but does it get saved?
[10:01] <thoreauputic> apes: not that way, no
[10:01] <darksoul> i installed this virus scanner..were is it
[10:01] <apes> thoreauputic, using the GUI tool worked -- but nice to know when i dont have a GUI
[10:01] <thoreauputic> apes: I guess you can put it in .bashrc
[10:01] <gigcs> i want gpg into package
[10:01] <BlackDalek> i don't get it.
[10:01] <polpak> darksoul: virus scanner?
[10:01] <darksoul> A virus scanner for Linux/Unix systems
[10:01] <darksoul> Aegis is a virus scanner for Linux/Unix systems with a simple and intuitive
[10:01] <darksoul> user interface.
[10:01] <thoreauputic> apes: doesn't work in tty - for that you need to use setterm
[10:01] <darksoul> so do i just type in Aegis in terminal
[10:02] <polpak> darksoul: try looking under the system menu?
[10:02] <BlackDalek> everytime I try to install ubuntu I get - problem installing software. one or more packages failed to install etc....
[10:02] <polpak> darksoul: I'm not sure, I've never used it.. Or heard of it for that matter.
[10:02] <darksoul> polpak: yup not there
[10:03] <polpak> darksoul: applications->system tools?
[10:03] <darksoul> polpak: its not anywere on menus
[10:03] <BlackDalek> then I select OK to continue and I get Ubuntu 5.10 "breezy badger" ubuntu tty1. ubuntu login:
[10:03] <thoreauputic> apes: see here >>  http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_NoBeep
[10:04] <thoreauputic> apes: gentoo wiki can be useful too ;-)
[10:04] <HaNazir> how do i reset my passwords if i'm locked out of my accounts
[10:04] <darksoul> !aegis
[10:04] <ubotu> darksoul: I haven't a clue
[10:04] <mr-russ> HaNazir: how locked out?
[10:04] <BlackDalek> everytime I try to install ubuntu I get - problem installing software. one or more packages failed to install etc.... then I select OK to continue and I get Ubuntu 5.10 "breezy badger" ubuntu tty1. ubuntu login:... after I login I end up with a sort of command prompt myname@ubuntu:~$ What am I doing wrong?
[10:04] <darksoul> polpak: i just uninstalled it lol
[10:05] <mr-russ> HaNazir: boot from cd, mount you hdd partition, chroot to it.  passwd myuserwithforgottenpassword
[10:05] <thoreauputic> BlackDalek: sounds like maybe a bad disc
[10:05] <polpak> darksoul: you can use dpkg-query -L pkgname
[10:05] <polpak> darksoul: to show you what files a given package installs
[10:05] <darksoul> polpak: whats your fav program?
[10:06] <polpak> darksoul: for what?
[10:06] <BlackDalek> thoreauputic: what? the hard disk bad or the install CD bad?
[10:06] <thoreauputic> BlackDalek: install disc
[10:06] <darksoul> polpak: gnome/linux
[10:06] <polpak> darksoul: depends on what I want to do
[10:06] <polpak> darksoul: my favorite text editor is jedit
[10:06] <darksoul> polpak: your game
[10:07] <thoreauputic> BlackDalek: or possibly X can't be configured in which case you would run  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know where the real keymap files are for gnome?
[10:07] <polpak> darksoul: NWN is probably the only game I really play much of anymore
[10:07] <darksoul> polpak: what?
[10:07] <fatehaze> i'm installing on a powerbook, but i get an error during the base files installation
[10:07] <polpak> darksoul: NeverWinter Nights
[10:07] <BlackDalek> thoreauputic: the Hard disk is only 3Gb in size... does the default ubuntu installation even fit of my hard disk? I thought it said 2Gb was enough...
[10:07] <darksoul> polpak: and is there anything like FlashMX on here?
[10:07] <darksoul> polpak: ah
[10:08] <polpak> darksoul: a flash-player you mean?
[10:08] <thoreauputic> BlackDalek:  yes 3GB is enough
[10:08] <darksoul> polpak: no a flash maker
[10:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone explain to me why reinstalling breezy from disc fixed tons of problems that upgrading from hoary caused?
[10:08] <thoreauputic> BlackDalek: the default install is aroun 1.8 or 1.9 GB
[10:08] <polpak> darksoul: I don't think so.. Macromedia controlls the rights to the format, and nobody has bothered to violate their patent.
[10:09] <darksoul> BROKEN_LADDER: well for one...it recomplies it right
[10:09] <fatehaze> the installation of the base system fails at about 67%
[10:09] <mustard5> fatehaze, does it give an error message?
[10:09] <derrickw> i think i'm going to try to run warcraft iii under wine
[10:09] <derrickw> just for kicks
[10:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> darksoul recompiles?  no.
[10:09] <fatehaze> yeah, i forgot it :P  i'm reinstalling now, I'll have it in a sec
[10:09] <polpak> derrickw: warcraft 3 works great
[10:09] <darksoul> BROKEN_LADDER: yes...and it also has new core files to my understanding..
[10:09] <polpak> derrickw: that's the other game I play
[10:10] <BlackDalek> is there anyway for me to resume the installation process or do I have to reformat and start from scratch again?
[10:10] <derrickw> polpak - can i use your cd key? i don't know where mine is
[10:10] <darksoul> BROKEN_LADDER: oh and it also deletes anything that will cause tons of problems
[10:10] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: I'm guessing when you upgraded you didn't have ubuntu-desktop or maybe ubuntu-base installed on your old system
[10:10] <polpak> derrickw: ... I use mine for online play. Can't give it away
[10:11] <derrickw> polpak - well i wasn't planning on playing online, but fine
[10:11] <HaNazir> mr-russ: how would i mount it? mount /dev/hda?
[10:11] <apes> installed Ubuntu -- sound worked on first boot -- no changes -- now fails!!!
[10:12] <BlackDalek> is there anyway for me to resume the ubuntu installation process or do I have to reformat and start from scratch again?
[10:12] <polpak> darksoul: did you install firestarter?
[10:12] <thoreauputic> apes: check all your volume controls
[10:12] <darksoul> polpak: yes
[10:12] <apes> thoreauputic, yeah
[10:12] <thoreauputic> apes: alsamixer or use the GUI and check to see all the channels
[10:12] <BlackDalek> it seems there are not enough hours in a day to install ubuntu.
[10:12] <polpak> BlackDalek: I would certainly advise formatting and installing again incase something was corrupt. Possibly try redownloading and burning the CD also
[10:13] <mr-russ> HaNazir: still there?
[10:13] <thoreauputic> BlackDalek: make sure the md5sum is right for your ISO
[10:13] <darksoul> polpak: what makes linux not boring after awhile..couse im on my computer almost 24/7
[10:13] <apes> thoreauputic, yep all mixers on
[10:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> thoreauputic of course i had those installed.  how would it work if i didn't?
[10:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> darksoul so why weren't those things upgraded in apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:14] <mr-russ> HaNazir: how did you format your hdd when you installed ubuntu?
[10:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> and where the hell are the keymap files in breezy?
[10:14] <mustard5> apes, what are you using to test the sound?
[10:14] <polpak> darksoul: learn to write programs, and then make your own games =)
[10:14] <mr-russ> HaNazir: I don't even know the defaults for ubuntu.  I installed it for the first time today.
[10:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> they're just totally gone
[10:14] <derrickw> polpak - i found one online
[10:14] <darksoul> BROKEN_LADDER: you didint configure your sources right, or there were conflicts from hoary
[10:14] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: erm - it still works - for instance I had an old pentium here with fluxbox and no ubuntu-desktop I upgraded to breezy
[10:14] <apes> mustard5, well should at least do it during login but also tried an ogg file
[10:14] <polpak> derrickw: congrats
[10:14] <darksoul> polpak: were do i learn to make programs and games?
[10:14] <apes> mustard5, it worked before i rebooted
[10:14] <mr-russ> polpak: yeah, writing games.  That's not always as easy as it looks.
[10:15] <apes> mustard5, and nothing was changed
[10:15] <mustard5> apes, k
[10:15] <polpak> mr-russ: depends on the game =p
[10:15] <derrickw> polpak - i'm thrilled to see if WINE emulates this at all. it would be nice to actually test my 3d card. i see the nvidia logo at boot, so apparrently the driver is there, but the only 3d app i've run thus far has been glxgears
[10:15] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage that pulls in beeded deps for gnome etc
[10:15] <mr-russ> polpak: it's probably the legacy code we have over at stratagus that makes it harder :)
[10:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> thoreauputic ummm..okay.
[10:15] <polpak> derrickw: there are a lot of 3d accellerated games available in universe which run natively
[10:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> polpak accelleration..in LINUX?  pffft..get outta town!
[10:16] <darksoul> polpak: were do i learn to make programs/games, mostly on linux for now
[10:16] <derrickw> polpak - PLANET PENGUIN RACER
[10:16] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: lots of people who didn't have that package had troubles
[10:16] <derrickw> darksoul - the book store
[10:16] <apes> mustard5, only think i did was turn off system bell
[10:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> thoreauputic like i couldn't log out of my session back to the gdm..my monitor just died
[10:16] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: this is discussed in the wiki page about upgrading
[10:16] <darksoul> derrickw: no..that wouldent really help me..since its outdated..isint there a website or somthing...
[10:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> thoreauputic anyway, i'm doing great now.
[10:16] <derrickw> darksoul - to teach you how to make games/
[10:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> thoreauputic i didn't see that wiki page, but i did spend hours in the help forums and in here.
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> thoreauputic maybe if you had told me this in the morning, i would have saved some major work
[10:17] <darksoul> derrickw: yea
[10:17] <polpak> darksoul: the first think you'll want to do is learn a programming language
[10:17] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: great:) next time you dist-upgrade check for the upgrade notes
[10:17] <derrickw> darksoul - learn to program?
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> darksoul c++ is nice.
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> thoreauputic link?
[10:17] <darksoul> polpak: what do you use?
[10:17] <polpak> darksoul: I recommend starting with something like Python. It is pretty quick to learn
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> thoreauputic maybe it will explain where the heck the keymaps went.
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> keymapping in gnome is a nightmare
[10:17] <darksoul> polpak: was it easy? lol
[10:18] <polpak> darksoul: I program in python, C, C++, and Perl
[10:18] <thoreauputic> !tell BROKEN_LADDER about breezy
[10:18] <derrickw> polpak - how did you address the issue of warcraft iii not detecting a disk in the drive?
[10:18] <darksoul> polpak: were do i get the guides lol
[10:18] <apes> i shut off system bell and now sound wont work?~?
[10:18] <johan_> hello! when i installed ubuntu, the setup never asked for what root password i wanted, what is the default password for root then? :P
[10:18] <thoreauputic> apes: not related
[10:18] <derrickw> darksoul - for the love of god just go buy a book. python for dummies or something
[10:18] <theoddbot> johan_: sudo -s instead of su
[10:18] <apes> thoreauputic, you wouldnt think
[10:19] <johan_> ok thx
[10:19] <derrickw> johan - the default root password is the password of the first user you created
[10:19] <polpak> derrickw: Well cedega has support for copy protection. Or you can get a no-cd crack
[10:19] <thoreauputic> apes: the system bell is not part of the sound system (alsa etc)
[10:19] <darksoul> derrickw: shutup its almost 1:30am, tell me a damn place that is still open
[10:19] <derrickw> darksoul - you're not going to start programming games tonight anyway
[10:19] <bimberi> ubotu tell johan_ about root
[10:19] <johan_> oook :D
[10:19] <darksoul> derrickw: no shit, but at least i could get a look at the code
[10:19] <derrickw> darksoul - google is your friend
[10:20] <johan_> no, i know what root is, but i never got to set root's password, but now i know
[10:20] <johan_> thx
[10:20] <bimberi> johan_: btw there is no root password, the account is disabled by default
[10:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> google = big brother
[10:20] <darksoul> derrickw: omg another person who always says that =/....but your right it is your freind lol
[10:20] <See_ME_HERE> Hello everyone?
[10:20] <polpak> darksoul: here's a good place.. http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html
[10:20] <Cryptid> thoreauputic, i need ur help the Breezy installation disk says 350mb of disk space is enough for installing ubuntu where as i have a 2 gb HD from which around 175mb is used as swap partition, when i tried installing ubuntu the base installation is completed without any problem but when the second stage comes (installing packages) after around 30-40% is completed it gives a error saying it ran out of disk space what do i do????
[10:21] <darksoul> thanks
[10:21] <gteppel> SANE just provided support for the HP Scanjet 2300c, it doesn't look like that newest version of sane made it into the breezy release, what is the best way to get support for this scanner, build from source??
[10:21] <polpak> decent walkthrough and tutorial of the language
[10:21] <See_ME_HERE> is someone can confirm about serial attach scsi for ubuntu?
[10:21] <apes> thoreauputic, if bell and sound != related, why does this only change affect the sound!??
[10:21] <johan_> omg, ubuntu seems very nice!! i just finished the install for about 10 minutes ago, it seems clean, fast and really nice :D
[10:21] <polpak> darksoul: once you familiarize yourself with the language you can look into starting with some text base game development
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Cryptid: hmm - sounds like you have actually run out of space - I thought 1.8 GB was enough but maybe not for breezy
[10:22] <derrickw> darksoul - or be l33t like me and write games in PHP
[10:22] <derrickw> actually i've just got too much free time =(
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Cryptid: probably the /var/cache/apt/ is filling up with packages
[10:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> the app registry doesn't have a gui? jesus h.
[10:23] <thoreauputic> Cryptid: you might have to do a server install and add apps afterwards
[10:23] <Cryptid> thoreauputic, how do i add apps later?
[10:23] <johan_> but, i have two monitors, for the moment im trying to install the ati driver, but are there any other way to get multiple monitors work on with a radeon 9600?
[10:23] <thoreauputic> Cryptid: you use apt or aptitude
[10:23] <apes> ANyone figure out why my sound only worked on first boot?
[10:24] <polpak> BROKEN_LADDER: synaptic ?
[10:24] <Cryptid> how much space does the server installation require?
[10:24] <thoreauputic> apes: the fact that one followed the other doesn't prove causality
[10:24] <Chameleon22> what app do i need to convert ogg to mp3?
[10:25] <gigcs>  gig
[10:25] <apes> thoreauputic, of course not
[10:25] <thoreauputic> apes: did you try reversing the system bell thing?
[10:25] <apes> thoreauputic, yes
[10:25] <thoreauputic> apes: also you might  have turned off something like system sounds, or changed nultimedia settings?
[10:25] <bimberi> Chameleon22: audacity can do that
[10:25] <apes> thoreauputic, nope
[10:26] <gigcs> How To sign package debian .
[10:26] <dooglus> derrickw: what's the URL for the linux creatures?
[10:26] <Chameleon22> bimberi, thanks will check it out
[10:26] <derrickw> dooglus - i forgot. it's called docking station
[10:26] <derrickw> polpak - is reign of chaos the name of the original warcraft 3?
[10:26] <polpak> derrickw: yes
[10:26] <thoreauputic> apes: well, it's hard to say without more info - and what you need is someone like crimsun to diagnose your problem
[10:26] <bimberi> Chameleon22: np. there might be better ways, but its the one i know of :)
[10:26] <polpak> derrickw: The Frozen Throne is the expansion
[10:26] <dooglus> derrickw: thanks.  got it.
[10:27] <thoreauputic> apes: try the users mailing list ?
[10:27] <Cryptid> thoreauputic, will just inserting the cd be enought to start the package manager,, coz usually when the ubuntu cd is detected when inserted it gives an option of starting the package manager rite?
[10:27] <thoreauputic> Cryptid: erm - sorry that doesn't make sense to me
[10:27] <apes> thoreauputic, only thing i can think of are tese IBM T42p sound buttons which are not mapped in Ubuntu correctly -- and setting them manually fails
[10:27] <apes> maybe they shut off the sound internally
[10:28] <derrickw> polpak - finding no cd cracks is becoming a pain
[10:28] <thoreauputic> later all - stuff I have to do here
[10:28] <polpak> derrickw: yeah, that's why I just used cedega
[10:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> polpak no, i mean the place you set mime associations
[10:29] <derrickw> polpak - i don't have cadega
[10:29] <Cryptid> thoreauputic, usually when u insert the Ubuntu installation disk ur promted by an option of launching the pacakage manager,,, so if i install the server version of Ubuntu then insert the cd will i be able to install the apps?
[10:29] <fatehaze> ok, back
[10:29] <fatehaze> this is the error i get when trying to install the base system on my powerbook
[10:30] <fatehaze> an error was returned while trying to install the initrd-tools package onto the target system
[10:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> i wish gnome had that menu bar in task bar feature like mac os and kde. :(
[10:30] <|3lack|ce> just to let y'all know for those of you who're still around that helped me as ubuntu earlier..thanks. I got it installed :)
[10:31] <See_ME_HERE> serial attach scsi (SAS) everyone? already test it?
[10:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> sata?
[10:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh no..
[10:34] <derrickw> is it possible to install os x under linux?
[10:34] <mr-russ> how common are updates to packages in universe?
[10:34] <mr-russ> given they are not supported by ubuntu developers.
[10:36] <crimsun> mr-russ: not terribly common.
[10:36] <cyphase> would anyone be interested in an all-in-one download manager?
[10:36] <crimsun> i.e., there has to be a security update or a major one-line bugfix
[10:36] <cyphase> nothing fancy..
[10:36] <nalioth> derrickw: if you have apple hardware you can run Mac On Linux (mol)
[10:36] <nalioth> cyphase: sure we would
[10:37] <cyphase> but it would support http, ftp, sftp, bittorrent, edonkey links, etc
[10:37] <mr-russ> crimsun: so who maintains those packages.
[10:37] <mr-russ> sorry is these are dumb questions.  new to ubuntu.  not new to linux.
[10:38] <bimberi> mr-russ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[10:38] <crimsun> mr-russ: we do.
[10:38] <crimsun> (we being MOTU)
[10:39] <mr-russ> ah, so it's like the debian model, and core packages are commercially supported by ubuntu.
[10:39] <frogzoo> See_ME_HERE: Looks pretty new - compile your own kernel maybe? see http://linux.adaptec.com/sas/
[10:41] <crimsun> mr-russ: s/commercially//
[10:41] <crimsun> mr-russ: though yes, you can purchase actual support contracts
[10:41] <mr-russ> okay, so it's nobody's fault if something goes wrong with the other packages.
[10:42] <crimsun> correct, universe & multiverse are "best effort"
[10:42] <crimsun> granted, we push fairly hard with our limited group
[10:42] <nalioth> mr-russ: the motu team does a fine job
[10:42] <bimberi> hear hear!
[10:43] <kittykat_> huh?
[10:45] <e1sbaer> I've a problem connecting my BT-Mouse and -Keyboard at systemstartup
[10:45] <mr-russ> I'm just checking.  I know who to contact and how to go about supplying patches too when I need a package updated.
[10:45] <mr-russ> thanks all who comments, you have all been a great help.
[10:45] <fatehaze> I get the following error when trying to install ubuntu on my powerpc:
[10:45] <fatehaze> I get the following error when trying to install ubuntu on my powerpc:
[10:45] <mr-russ> s/comments/commented/
[10:45] <fatehaze> an error was returned while trying to install the initrd-tools package onto the target system
[10:45] <polpak> mr-russ: #ubuntu-motu I find most helpfull
[10:45] <fruud> anyone wanna help me ?
[10:46] <mr-russ> polpak: I've joined there.  I think I will be hanging out there a bit.
[10:46] <mr-russ> it's probabl less "busy" than this channel.
[10:46] <polpak> mr-russ: considerably so
[10:46] <frogzoo> fruud: don't ask - just state your problem
[10:46] <fruud>  cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/ruby-gnome2 co -P modulename   ( What do i type on Modulename ?! )
[10:47] <nalioth> fatehaze: what hardware is that?
[10:47] <e1sbaer> how can I connect BT-HIDs at startup?
[10:47] <fatehaze> it's a g4 powerbook
[10:47] <leagris> fatehaze, did you check the integrity of the CD used for installation ?
[10:47] <frogzoo> fruud: oh dear, I really don't know if you're up to what you're trying to do
[10:47] <fatehaze> yup, checksum checks out
[10:47] <fruud> ?
[10:47] <drcode> hi all
[10:47] <fruud> frogzoo,  ?
[10:47] <nalioth> fatehaze: check the md5 of your iso image and burnt disc
[10:47] <drcode> I have some strange problem
[10:47] <nalioth> ubotu: tell fatehaze about verify
[10:48] <leagris> fatehaze, you can do this with md5sum and compare with the reference md5
[10:48] <drcode> on the top of the screen I see long names
[10:48] <fatehaze> checksum checks out
[10:48] <drcode> like firefox - www.google.com
[10:48] <drcode> somthing like that
[10:48] <drcode> where I Can fix it
[10:48] <phanter> hello, where can I find and how do I install the gnomebaker audio plugin?
[10:49] <nalioth> fatehaze: burn the disc on the slowest burn speed
[10:49] <polpak> drcode: I don't see what the problem is....
[10:49] <fruud> What do they mean on "modulename" ????? ( cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/ruby-gnome2 co -P modulename )
[10:49] <leagris> fatehaze, then initrd thing is used to build a bootstrap ram disk image providing drivers and modules to run the hardware on your computer
[10:49] <frogzoo> fruud: why not just stick with synaptic?
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i change the default gnome setup for new user accounts; and don't say /skel
[10:49] <fruud> ??
[10:49] <leagris> fatehaze, on reason that may fail in building the initrd image is with insufficiant RAM
[10:49] <drcode> sorry
[10:49] <drcode> I Am in xfce
[10:50] <polpak> fruud: apt-get install ruby-gnome2
[10:50] <fatehaze> there's about a gig on my powerbook
[10:50] <fruud> ty.
[10:50] <polpak> fruud: or rather sudo apt-get install ruby-gnome2
[10:50] <mrtwister> hi, upgrading hoary -> breeze. questions. 1. where is backports (repositories)? 2. mplayer? :)
[10:50] <fatehaze> would my partition setup affect that?
[10:50] <fatehaze> i still have osx on another partition
[10:50] <fruud> could not find package
[10:50] <nalioth> leagris: most new apples dont have any hardware limitations such as that
[10:50] <nalioth> mrtwister: backports is empty atm
[10:50] <fatehaze> i set aside a 15gb partition, and used the ext3 journal system... that sound correct?
[10:50] <leagris> fatehaze, that may b a possibility but I know nothing about the particularity with powerpc and powerbook setups sorry
[10:50] <nalioth> ubotu: tell mrtwister about backports
[10:51] <mrtwister> hi, upgrading hoary -> breeze. questions. 1. where is backports (repositories)? 2. mplayer? :) at present, in hoary, i just compiled mplayer. 3. have i to remove gnome settings etc under user account to get breezy settings ?
[10:51] <polpak> fruud: use synaptic
[10:51] <nalioth> fatehaze: did you create a / and a "new world bootstrap" or did you just create some free space and let the installer do it?
[10:51] <fruud> polpak, whats thta ?
[10:51] <fruud> that*
[10:51] <mrtwister> nalioth, empty atm?
[10:51] <nalioth> ubotu: tell mrtwister about mplayer
[10:51] <fatehaze> i did what you just said, with a / root and newworld boot
[10:52] <nalioth> mrtwister: there are no programs backported yet, the repo is open, toh
[10:52] <fatehaze> and a swap
[10:52] <polpak> fruud: your package management tool.. Click on System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager
[10:52] <fruud> ty
[10:52] <nalioth> fatehaze: i'm thinking it's a bad burn of the cd. burn it again on the slowest speed (and dont use Disk Utility)
[10:52] <polpak> do a search for ruby-gnome2
[10:52] <fatehaze> roger that
[10:52] <fatehaze> thanks guys!
[10:53] <phanter> the plugin handeling file type audio/mpeg is not installed. What can I do about this?
[10:53] <fruud> polpak, there is no "ruby-gnome2" in synaptic
[10:53] <fruud> :(
[10:53] <polpak> yes there is
[10:53] <polpak> fruud: you using Breezy?
[10:53] <darkness> Hello?
[10:53] <fruud> ya
[10:54] <curious_kitty> i'm using breezy too
[10:54] <darkness> Hello everyone.
[10:54] <polpak> fruud: it's there.. Let me find the section
[10:54] <bwb> hello
[10:54] <fruud> ok
[10:54] <nalioth> !info ruby-gnome2
[10:54] <ubotu> ruby-gnome2: (GNOME-related bindings for the Ruby language), section universe/interpreters, is extra. Version: 0.13.0-2ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 60 kB
[10:55] <fruud> polpak, i get this when im trying to setup, (setup.sh: line 4: ruby: command not found
[10:55] <fruud> )
[10:55] <nalioth> fruud: it's in universe
[10:55] <fruud> ok
[10:55] <nalioth> fruud: do yourself a favor and enable universe and multiverse
[10:56] <fruud> .. how ? :(
[10:56] <polpak> fruud: read the getting started guide
[10:56] <fruud> ok
[10:57] <darkness> Can anyone sugest a nice IDE for C++?
[10:58] <darkness> I have looked around but avn't found anything that isn't a huge download.
[10:58] <apes> darkness, KDevelop
[10:58] <Decadent> is there a program similar to netlimiter for ubuntu??
[10:58] <darkness> How big is the download?
[10:58] <apes> darkness, or Eclipse 3 woth the C++ plugin
[10:58] <nalioth> ubotu: tell fruud about repos
[10:58] <polpak> darkness: There's several, most notably, Eclipse and  Codeblocks
[10:58] <darkness> Thanks.
[10:58] <nalioth> Decadent: trickle
[10:59] <Decadent> ok thanks
[10:59] <Decadent> :)
[11:00] <darkness> I must say, i am finding ubuntu a very good os.
[11:01] <nalioth> darkness: so do we
[11:01] <darkness> Lol, i would have thought so!
[11:01] <reedbeat> hi, i want to run xasane without getting root, iam using a parallel scanner, how can ig ret access as normal user?
[11:01] <darkness> I have only been using it for a few days. NO problems at all apart from installing some things.
[11:02] <J_Element> can any one help me with this command " iptables -t -net -APOSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE "
[11:02] <J_Element> its not working...
[11:02] <nalioth> reedbeat: use sudo
[11:02] <J_Element> its giving this message " iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `-net': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
[11:02] <J_Element> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded"
[11:02] <reedbeat> hi nalioth, i dont want to use sudo
[11:03] <reedbeat> becaue it saves pics with root rights
[11:03] <reedbeat> and than i dont see anything as normal user
[11:03] <polpak> J_Element: get Firestarter
[11:03] <nalioth> xsane shouldn't require superuser privleges
[11:03] <polpak> J_Element: makes setting up your firewall rules much eaiser
[11:03] <gilligan_> hi
[11:03] <gilligan_> anyone here using the Gorilla icon theme?
[11:03] <reedbeat> iam using a parallel scanner, maybe thats the point?
[11:04] <polpak> J_Element: course I misread what you were trying to do
[11:04] <fruud> thanks for the help guys. over and out.
[11:04] <polpak> J_Element: which is set up masqurading ;p
[11:04] <reedbeat> xsane says when starting with normal user: no device found
[11:04] <reedbeat> as root, it finds the scanner
[11:05] <Renski> reedbeat: find the file for the scanner, and change its permissions
[11:05] <gilligan_> I'm having probs with Gorilla (and some other icon themes) -- the correct icons exist for various mimetypes but they just aren't being displayed.. like I get a 'blank paper' icon instead of a cd icon when inserting any kind of CD
[11:05] <polpak> reedbeat: your normal user probably doesn't have permissions for the device
[11:05] <polpak> reedbeat: you just need to find out what the device is and change the permissions for it
[11:05] <J_Element> polpak,
[11:05] <reedbeat> polpak: ok, how can i find out the device?
[11:05] <J_Element> i need to masquerade :S please any one ...
[11:05] <reedbeat> is it in /proc ?
[11:06] <J_Element> can any one help me with this command " iptables -t -net -APOSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE "
[11:07] <nalioth> J_Element: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[11:09] <darkness> I think i might go with codeblocks
[11:11] <darkness> By everyone. Thanks too those people who suggested a IDE for me.
[11:12] <afd_> hi! why is gnome-terminal not recording the bash history and how can I enable it? It sucks to type a lot of commands and not be able to find them later with reversed search
[11:12] <mrtwister> afd_, it recording, by default. i not know how to turn off for example :)
[11:13] <mrtwister> afd_, use xterm, aterm, mrxvt for a whil then :)
[11:13] <Habbie> euh
[11:13] <Habbie> that won't help
[11:13] <Habbie> as it's not gnome-terminals fault
[11:13] <mrtwister> Get:514 http://lt.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe openoffice.org-bin 1.1.5-0ubuntu1 [41.8MB]
[11:13] <mrtwister> 26% [514 openoffice.org-bin 10024184/41.8MB 23%]
[11:13] <mrtwister> i upgrading hoary to breeze
[11:14] <mrtwister> why they downloading openoffice 1-5, not 2.0?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> afd_, using bash terminal you should beable to hit the up arrow
[11:14] <darksoul> is there a way to password-protect a partion..or encrypt it with a password on it?
[11:14] <nalioth> mrtwister: please dont paste in here (see the /topic)
[11:14] <afd_> gnomefreak, what bash terminal are you refering to?
[11:14] <nalioth> mrtwister: oOo2 doesnt exist yet for ubuntu
[11:14] <mrtwister> nalioth, ok, thx
[11:14] <afd_> mrtwister, I would, but I like multiple tabs
[11:14] <polpak> mrtwister: cause OO 2.0 was released after breezy was locked?
[11:14] <mrtwister> afd_, mrxvt have
[11:15] <nalioth> mrtwister: it will appear in backports, i'm quite sure
[11:15] <mrtwister> afd_, and multi-aterm
[11:15] <polpak> darksoul: to what end?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> afd_,  as far as i know there is only 1 bash terminal
[11:15] <darksoul> polpak: i want to encrypt the entire partion with a password, its only 250mb or somthing like that
[11:15] <mrtwister> darksoul, use bestcrypt
[11:15] <mrtwister> darksoul, but it making virtual partition
[11:16] <gnomefreak> afd_, open terminal and type bash that will make sure your using bash
[11:16] <mrtwister> darksoul, which present as file and you can encrypt
[11:16] <darksoul> ?
[11:16] <darksoul> were do i get bestcrypt
[11:16] <mrtwister> darksoul, google for bestcrypt or apt-cache search for it
[11:16] <mrtwister> darksoul, it is commercial btw
[11:17] <mrtwister> darksoul, but month trial available
[11:17] <afd_> gnomefreak, yeah, i do that for root, sudo bash :)
[11:17] <darksoul> no then..
[11:17] <darksoul> thats not secure to me then lol
[11:18] <polpak> darksoul: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/06/07/2036205
[11:18] <darksoul> polpak: thanks
[11:19] <darksoul> polpak: your still here..
[11:19] <polpak> yeah, I need to go to bed
[11:19] <polpak> ;p
[11:20] <NegativeSoul> hi
[11:20] <darksoul> i would..but its to late now
[11:20] <gnomefreak> too late here too or i would be still in bed :(
[11:21] <darksoul> mm ill prob skip school just to sleep
[11:23] <gnomefreak> afd_,  im sorry i cant think of anything that would cause the up arrow not to recall commands
[11:24] <gnomefreak> unless ofcourse the key board is not configured right
[11:25] <topyli> of if the history size is set at 0 :)
[11:25] <sazwerx> helloo.. how to use "Terminal Server Client"? when i'm trying to connect to my Window$ computer, i'm always get "Connection Refused".. FYI, my firewall in Window$ has allowed port for "Remote Desktop".. Anyone has clue?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> its 5:30 am i dont get a clue till atleast 8am :(
[11:28] <darkness> Hi, can anyone try to help me install codeblocks?
[11:29] <darkness> I have downloaded it, and the file is codeblocks-1.Orc2_mingw.exe
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER>
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER>
[11:30] <darkness> When i double click it, a message comes up saying "Couldn't display "/home/darkness/Desktop/codeblocks-1.2orc2_mingw.exe"."
[11:31] <nicola_> hi all. I've a little question: how I can delete an app from the gnome-panel?
[11:31] <gardin> hello!, i'm trying to install the ati drivers as in the tutorial on ubuntuforums.org, but when i try the command sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 module-assistant build-essential fakeroot dh-make debconf libstdc++5 gcc-3.3-base
[11:31] <gnomefreak> they make .exe files for linux?????????
[11:31] <topyli> darkness: that's a windows installer. no worky. get the source
[11:31] <gardin> it doesnt find the package module-assistant
[11:31] <darkness> Oh bugger. Ok, i'll go get the source.
[11:32] <nalioth> darkness: why are you running a windows executable?
[11:32] <darkness> Because i have only just started to use linux, and i had no idea i was trying to install a windows exe.
[11:32] <nicola_> HELP: I can't delete an app to the gnome panel
[11:33] <reedbeat> hi, where can i find the devicefile for parallelpoprt in ubuntu?
[11:33] <nalioth> darkness: np, friend. make sure you install "build-essential" before you tackle the source code
[11:33] <gardin> apt-get doesnt find the package module-assistant that it says i need to install in the ati driver tutorial on ubuntuforums...
[11:33] <reedbeat> tried /dev/port
[11:33] <reedbeat> or is it /dev/?
[11:33] <topyli> nicola_: that's one of the strangest sentences i've ever heard
[11:33] <gnomefreak> nicola_,  try sudo apt-get remove <packagename>
[11:34] <gnomefreak> nicola_, thats if you want it gone from pc
[11:34] <reedbeat> i want to set permissions for my parprt scanner
[11:34] <reedbeat> sorry "parport"
[11:34] <nicola_> I can't delete an app from application/office menu of the panel
[11:34] <topyli> reedbeat: that's /dev/lp or lp0 or some such
[11:34] <reedbeat> ok, thx!
[11:35] <nicola_> I've searched for a config file for gnome2 where these info was stored but unsuccesfully
[11:35] <gnomefreak> nicola_, you just want it gone from menu you can use smeg to do that
[11:35] <gnomefreak> nicola_, use applications menu editor
[11:36] <LathropWells> I Love Ubuntu! :)
[11:36] <darkness> So do i!
[11:36] <topyli> reedbeat: best way to run a parallel scanner is to use saned, then connect to it as a user through the "net" sane interface
[11:36] <reedbeat> ok, ill check this
[11:36] <nicola_> gnomefreak: application menu editor? how can I find this apps?
[11:37] <nalioth> nicola_: right click on your menu
[11:37] <gnomefreak> click on applications than system tools  or right click your menu
[11:37] <reedbeat> chown and chmod on /dev/lp0 dindnt work, xsane doesnt find the scanner , as root it works
[11:38] <topyli> reedbeat: yeah, i'll bet my pants you'll end up reading about saned eventually :)
[11:38] <nicola_> nalioth: if I right click on my menu, I can only add the launcher on the panel but not remove or modify icon for example
[11:38] <darkness> HEy, do i download codeblocks-1.0-rc2/src.rpm?
[11:38] <reedbeat> topyli: right, yoop.
[11:38] <gnomefreak> nicola_, right click where it says applications
[11:38] <_native_> how come there are no fluxbox themes available?
[11:38] <nalioth> nicola_: you are using breezy?
[11:39] <_native_> in the repos.
[11:39] <nicola_> nalioth: yes, I'me using breezy
[11:39] <nalioth> _native_: visit deviantart.com for them
[11:39] <_native_> okie
[11:39] <gnomefreak> <<<assuming she is using gnome
[11:40] <gnomefreak> or he
[11:40] <nalioth> nicola_: as gnomefreak says, right click on the applicatins menu, or system tools > applications menu editor
[11:42] <pavelich> it says i dont have permission to write to my floppy when i try to drag and drop
[11:42] <pavelich> what do i doo
[11:43] <nicola_> ok nalioth, but in this menu I can't change icons
[11:43] <gnomefreak> nicola_,  i thought you wanted to get something out of the menu not change icons
[11:44] <curious_kitty> my new breezy takes quite a long to boot, and i would like to build a kernel iage
[11:44] <curious_kitty> image*
[11:44] <nicola_> yes, I wanted to delete an launcher and to modify icon to another
[11:44] <nalioth> nicola_: sure you can (on mine it works)
[11:44] <darkness> Grrr, installing things isn't as easy as i thought.
[11:44] <nalioth> darkness: whats up?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> nicola_, if you mean the icons to the right of the word system right click the icon you want to change and click properties than left click the picture in properties
[11:45] <darkness> Trying to install codeblocks C++ ide, and i am not sure which file to download, and how to install it.
[11:45] <nalioth> darkness: get the "source code" usually in a .tar.gz format
[11:46] <darkness> Ummm, i have a .tgz a source .rpm and a .spec file
[11:46] <nicola_> In menu Applications->office I've openoffice2 installed (and also openoffice1). I want delete openoffice1 (and now I've deleted them) but also change icon to openoffice2
[11:47] <El-Presidente> how can I clear apt-get so it stops downloading something everytime I run it
[11:47] <nicola_> If I find a config file for the gnome-panel, with vim or some other editor I can perform these operations quickly
[11:47] <gnomefreak> El-Presidente,  what is it downloading and what command are you using?
[11:47] <nalioth> El-Presidente: apt-get or synaptic?
[11:47] <ompaul> El-Presidente, what are you saying, there is a "broken" package there ?
[11:48] <El-Presidente> yeah
[11:48] <El-Presidente> im using apt-get
[11:48] <darksoul> hey if your running two servers, how much can a gui slow it down (gnome)
[11:48] <nalioth> El-Presidente: apt-get is supposed to download. that is it's purpose
[11:48] <ompaul> El-Presidente,  sudo apt-get remove broken-name
[11:49] <El-Presidente> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:49] <El-Presidente> keep getting that
[11:49] <nalioth> El-Presidente: what pkg is this on?
[11:49] <darksoul> try sudo killall name
[11:49] <ompaul> El-Presidente, paste the output into paste.ubuntulinux.nl and let use see what is happening
[11:49] <El-Presidente> webmin-apache
[11:50] <El-Presidente> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4523
[11:51] <Myk3> hey is there a reason when i add the univers and multi in 5.10 and do a update it fails?
[11:52] <topyli> nicola_: are you sure you are uninstalling the programs, and not just deleting random icons? :)
[11:52] <ompaul> El-Presidente, try this  >> sudo touch /etc/webmin/update.conf <<  then run the command
[11:53] <El-Presidente> ahh ompaul -- legend :D
[11:53] <El-Presidente> ty
[11:53] <ompaul> El-Presidente, np
[11:54] <Steinbeck1> does ubuntu's installation allow make it easy to dualboot for windows or am i going to need partition magic or another program to do it?
[11:55] <nalioth> Steinbeck1: it automajically fixes you up for dual bootig
[11:55] <soundray> Steinbeck1, Ubuntu will make a bootloader entry so you can select your OS at boot.
[11:55] <Steinbeck1> good:)
[11:56] <ompaul> Steinbeck1, not using windows I know very little about that - however it does have the tools to help with it but make sure you defrag your windows several times each time you do it you can recover more
[11:56] <nicola_> hi topyli: I don't wont uninstall some pkg, I wont modify my gnome-panel via command line
[11:56] <soundray> Steinbeck1, if Windows occupies the whole of your hard drive, you're going to have to repartition it.
[11:56] <Steinbeck1> why would I need to defrag?
[11:57] <ompaul> Steinbeck1, to try and get as much of the data at the "front of the disk" at the one time - thus making it easier for Linux to install
[11:57] <topyli> Steinbeck1: it will be safer to resize your windows partition if your stuff is neatly arranged
[11:57] <gnomefreak> Steinbeck1, because windows doesnt use space like it should it will put things all over the hard drive instead of in a section
[11:57] <LathropWells> Hi Steinbeck1 - if you are resizing defrag will help you get all the space  - a fragment nr the disk edge keeps resize conservative
[11:57] <topyli> nicola_: ok, you can edit the menus with an editor, they're just xml files
[11:57] <LathropWells> "a solid block" of data
[11:57] <Steinbeck1> ok thank you
[11:57] <ompaul> so more defrags = more linux room
[11:57] <topyli> nicola_: in /usr/share/applications i think
[11:57] <LathropWells> more defrags more linux room. :0
[11:58] <LathropWells> :)
[11:58] <ompaul> it compacts better with less room for it to be spread over
[11:58] <gnomefreak> more defrag not only more linux oom but allows windows to run faster :) 2 good reasons to defrag
[11:58] <Steinbeck1> ive downloaded the X64 version is there support for all the programs in linux in x64?
[11:58] <soundray> What's the back end of the partitioner in the Ubuntu installer?
[11:58] <ompaul> gnomefreak,  windows running is a reason? :-)
[11:58] <topyli> Steinbeck1: linux installers might also break stuff when resizing ntfs if you're a very unlucky person
[11:58] <gnomefreak> lol ompaul good point
[11:59] <jimcooncat> I'm looking for a command line tool or proc entry that will report the ppp connection speed, like "48k" or "52k" for a dialup modem. I've tried several monitor programs and don't see this figure, just traffic values. Anyone?
[11:59] <nalioth> Steinbeck1: there is not (i assume you have the amd64 disc)
[11:59] <topyli> Steinbeck1: i'd arrange some empty space before installing linux
[11:59] <nicola_> topyli: do you know also the file name?
[11:59] <darkness> I cannot figure out how to install anything on ubuntu. Does anyone know of a good tutorial on this problem?
[11:59] <gnomefreak> Steinbeck1,  support for ubuntu = forums mailing lists or here
[11:59] <LathropWells> Steinbeck - I am likely to get into trouble for saying this...  - get the 32 bit version if you are new to linux - 64 bit in my opinion just isn't ready fir a new user
[11:59] <nalioth> darkness: what is up?
[11:59] <darkness> Well, it ain't really a problem, but for me it is
[11:59] <Steinbeck1> nalioth, yes
[11:59] <Steinbeck1> im burning it right now
[11:59] <topyli> nicola_: every entry is in its own file called something.desktop IIRC
[12:00] <gardin> when i installed the ati-driver as in the how-to on ubuntuforums, i try to dpkg -i fglrx... but there is no such file as fglrx-control... as in the tutorial???
[12:00] <nalioth> Steinbeck1: support for popular format audio/video is quite lacking at this time on amd64
[12:00] <Habbie> ompaul, games, other windows-only applications
[12:00] <soundray> darkness, have you tried System - Administration - Synaptic Package Manager ?
[12:00] <Steinbeck1> so i should probally just go back and download x32?
[12:00] <nalioth> Steinbeck1: for maximum entertainment, i'd suggest using the i386 install disc and upgrading afterward to the i686 kernel
[12:00] <gnomefreak> Habbie, you dont really NEED windows for those they will run on linux
[12:01] <Habbie> gnomefrea, not all of them; but then again, that argument seems just as valid for cad-software, which was ompaul's point
[12:01] <ompaul> Habbie, I have been saying something like what I said for over 10 years almost 11 at this stage - so I know these things exist  :) I just don't "get the requirement"
[12:01] <nalioth> darkness: join #kubuntu-offtopic for a quick tutorial in installing things
[12:01] <Habbie> ompaul, how is CAD any different?
[12:01] <ompaul> Habbie, there is no replacement for Auto CAD
[12:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> i got my keymap stuff workin
[12:02] <Steinbeck1> nalioth, is it difficult upgrading kernels?
[12:02] <BROKEN_LADDER>
[12:02] <ompaul> Habbie, it is unfortunately the industry standard
[12:02] <Habbie> ompaul, and autocad doesn't run on linux?
[12:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> Steinbeck1 not if you use apt-get. lol
[12:02] <ompaul> correct
[12:02] <gnomefreak> ompaul, wont auto cad run using wine?
[12:02] <Habbie> ompaul, how about Wine?
[12:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> Steinbeck1 apt-get install kernal-blah
[12:02] <nicola_> topyli: tanks a lot. Now I can modify all I want from my gnome-panel menu
[12:02] <Steinbeck1> what is apt-get?
[12:02] <Habbie> 'google says' it runs in wine
[12:02] <ompaul> Habbie, great
[12:02] <xxMEL0Nxx> Hi all
[12:03] <ompaul> well will later
[12:03] <gnomefreak> apt-get is a text version of synaptic
[12:03] <Steinbeck1> im sorry im new to linux
[12:03] <nalioth> Steinbeck1: not at all
[12:03] <xxMEL0Nxx> I'm having some issues sharing the printer with another ubuntu box
[12:03] <Renski> Theres a gui version of apt-get ?
[12:03] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Renski about synaptic
[12:03] <Habbie> Renski, synaptic
[12:03] <xxMEL0Nxx> can anyone help me?
[12:03] <Renski> ty
[12:03] <gnomefreak> synaptic is the package manager for ubuntu
[12:04] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, there is no way to tell in advance.
[12:04] <Steinbeck1> an installer?
[12:04] <LathropWells> Steinbeck - Ubuntu is graphical for everything you are likely to want to do. - some find typing commands "Relaxing"? - lol
[12:04] <gnomefreak> synaptic= grafical version of apt.
[12:04] <nalioth> darkness: we can go over how to install things in #kubuntu-offtopic , if you wish
[12:04] <Steinbeck1> ok thanks
[12:04] <[nige] > hey all
[12:04] <gnomefreak> i find commands faster :)
[12:05] <Renski> ditto
[12:05] <LathropWells> (Uh-oh - ducks the flame war.)
[12:05] <gnomefreak> lol no flaming here :)
[12:05] <darkness> Ahhh, i am now installing everything in the synaptic package manager.
[12:05] <gnomefreak> use whatever your comfy using is my moto
[12:05] <darkness> But i don't see how that will give me a C++ ide..
[12:06] <LathropWells> lol - Graphical is good. - especially if you are acusomed to the redmond OS
[12:06] <nalioth> darkness: install kdevelop
[12:06] <gnomefreak> C++ ide = anjuta, kdevelop, so on and so forth
[12:06] <darkness> Is that on it?
[12:06] <nalioth> darkness: enable universe and multiverse and you'll find most anything you want
[12:06] <LathropWells> << - I will learn to program kernel modules when the next kernel programming for dummies is published.
[12:06] <nalioth> ubotu: tell darkness about repos
[12:06] <Renski> LathropWells: what is this "the OS who must not be named?"
[12:06] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, what's the problem?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> anjuta is just like kdevelop but you dont need any kde packages to run it
[12:07] <LathropWells> Some OS from the north west of the United States?
[12:07] <Renski> exactly
[12:07] <ceej> is there anyway u can get information off another partition?!
[12:07] <topyli> nicola_: ok, hack away! =)
[12:07] <xxMEL0Nxx> I can't print from my laptop
[12:07] <darkness> Nalioth: What is univererse and multiverse.. Apart from the obvious.
[12:07] <pc12> ko
[12:08] <LathropWells> ceej - do you mean copy files or disk structure?
[12:08] <xxMEL0Nxx> I run the lpstats -t
[12:08] <nalioth> darkness: patented formats software and non gpl stuff
[12:08] <darkness> Ok, how do i do that?
[12:08] <xxMEL0Nxx> and it shows the printer, but when i try to print from the laptop nothign happens
[12:08] <gnomefreak> darkness, they are repos to give you more package selection
[12:08] <ceej> LathroWells:For say just getting some files off
[12:08] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, so you have a printer physically connected to a desktop?
[12:08] <xxMEL0Nxx> yes
[12:09] <nalioth> darkness: you read what ubotu sent you
[12:09] <xxMEL0Nxx> and its working correctly
[12:09] <darkness> OK, ubotu just told me some links. I'm guessing he is just a bot.
[12:09] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, and you can print from the desktop?
[12:09] <gnomefreak> darkness,  go to www.freewebs.com/joeboxer and click on linux tab :)
[12:09] <xxMEL0Nxx> yes i can
[12:09] <darkness> After i have finished installing these things, i'll check it out
[12:09] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, just checking.
[12:09] <LathropWells> 17,000+ plus free apps and growing. - thats a lot isn't it?
[12:09] <gnomefreak> nc*
[12:09] <nalioth> sneaky sneaky varmints
[12:10] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, have you set up the printer on the laptop via System - Admin. - Printing?
[12:10] <xxMEL0Nxx> yes, i have also edited the cups.conf
[12:10] <xxMEL0Nxx> but nothing
[12:11] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, which one and why?
[12:12] <drakeoutlaw> hi all, which is the preferred dhcp server for ubuntu dnsmasq or dhcpd
[12:12] <BROKEN_LADDER>
[12:12] <lcore> BMP player 0.9.7 ubuntu 5.10 output plugin set to alsa kkeps stopping music when screensaver turns on. Any suggestions on howto fix this?
[12:13] <xxMEL0Nxx> I did read the FAQ and it says that i needed to change the et/cups/client.conf
[12:13] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, can you point me to that FAQ pls.
[12:13] <LathropWells> !faq
[12:13] <ubotu> methinks faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide is: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation or http://help.ubuntu.com
[12:13] <xxMEL0Nxx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-31236fe6767d32d8849819b22f0da7da5026023b
[12:13] <darkness> ahhh, the www.freewebs.com/joeboxer link isn't right. Comes up with the page not found thing Freewebs likes to give you
[12:14] <gnomefreak> joeboxernc
[12:14] <gnomefreak> i forgot the nc
[12:14] <gnomefreak> www.freewebs.com/joeboxernc
[12:14] <darkness> Ahh, thank you.
[12:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> can someone do me a huge favor
[12:14] <ceej> LathroWells: ?
[12:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> please send me the file /etc/X11/xkb/symbols slash us
[12:15] <LathropWells> Hi
[12:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> pretend that slash is a real slash
[12:15] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, you made those changes on the desktop?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> lol @ pretend
[12:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> to blah ak brokenladder.com
[12:15] <ceej> do you know if there's some way i can view another partition and get files from it?
[12:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> at
[12:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> blah at brokenladder.com
[12:15] <xxMEL0Nxx> yes
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> please someone
[12:16] <xxMEL0Nxx> in the client i put the server ip
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> i cnat tzpe
[12:16] <xxMEL0Nxx> when i restart the cupsd it found the printer
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> i cannot type
[12:16] <xxMEL0Nxx> but i cant print
[12:16] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, have you looked at the files in /var/log/cups ?
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> help me
[12:17] <dooglus> BROKEN_LADDER: which version?  breezy, hoary or dapper?
[12:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> breezy
[12:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> htnka tzo
[12:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> errr
[12:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> thank zou
[12:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> thank you
[12:19] <dooglus> BROKEN_LADDER: I put it herE: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/4524
[12:19] <drakeoutlaw> BROKEN_LADDER: ok sent to you
[12:19] <boss_> hello
[12:19] <xxMEL0Nxx> in client it says Job queued on E210 by me
[12:19] <drakeoutlaw> BROKEN_LADDER: ok sent to you
[12:19] <boss_> ho start ssh on ubuntu ?
[12:19] <boss_> plz
[12:19] <boss_> help me..someone
[12:19] <dooglus> boss_: run "ssh" from command line
[12:20] <Zukero> just type ssh in a command line
[12:20] <xxMEL0Nxx> in server processipprequest: 5 status code=0
[12:20] <Zukero> boss_ : you may need to apt-get it
[12:20] <boss_> ....
[12:20] <boss_> aha
[12:20] <boss_> 10x man
[12:20] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, sounds like you were printing an empty file
[12:20] <dooglus> boss_: u cn use synaptic if u lk
[12:20] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, or like you were using the wrong driver on the client.
[12:22] <xxMEL0Nxx> How can I change the driver?, If i delete the printer it appears again, and I cant change the driver from there
[12:22] <buntu_total> people hear speak english not indonesian ?
[12:22] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, when you test, do you use the "print test page" button?
[12:23] <xxMEL0Nxx> yes
[12:23] <ompaul> buntu_total, this is normal is there a #ubuntu-id ?
[12:23] <xxMEL0Nxx> also i send a document from writer
[12:23] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, do you see all those tests in the job queue?
[12:23] <buntu_total> wups wrong chanel guys :)
[12:23] <darkness> Ok, how do i install multiverse and universe again?
[12:24] <ompaul> !tell darkness about repos
[12:24] <nalioth> ubotu: tell darkness about repos
[12:24] <xxMEL0Nxx> no
[12:24] <boss_> e vreun roman paici ? :D
[12:24] <xxMEL0Nxx> in server nothing happens
[12:24] <ompaul> darkness, read the message the bot send you
[12:24] <xxMEL0Nxx> in the client it says queing job
[12:24] <darkness> Thanks.
[12:25] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, I mean the "Jobs" item in the printer's context menu.
[12:25] <xxMEL0Nxx> no
[12:25] <xxMEL0Nxx> nothing appears
[12:25] <galotzas> nalioth,  send it to me also plz  (repos)
[12:25] <nalioth> ubotu: tell galotzas about repos
[12:26] <galotzas> thanks pal
[12:26] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, can you try setting up a new printer
[12:26] <xxMEL0Nxx> going to try
[12:27] <Belnet> holas
[12:28] <ubuntu> hi
[12:29] <ompaul> lo
[12:30] <darkness> Ok, i have done what the link tells me to do. Enabled the universe. Do i just look for kdevelop in there and then install it?
[12:31] <ompaul> darkness, yes it will be called kdevelop3 in ubuntu5.10
[12:32] <nalioth> darkness: enable multiverse, also
[12:32] <darkness> Thank you.
[12:32] <viviersf> any reason why dma / 32 bit is off on my pc ?
[12:32] <darkness> When i was choosing whatever they are called, it only said community maintained universe or something.
[12:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> dude, that keymap file was from breezy?
[12:33] <ompaul> darkness, that is not an issue
[12:34] <darkness> OK.
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> can someone please send me a breezy version of /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/us at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> pleeeeez
[12:34] <xxMEL0Nxx> nothing
[12:34] <darkness>  have found kdevelop, only thing is there are a few of them.
[12:35] <emgee_> Hey people! How do I get Azureus up and running on breezy with java not being in the repositories?
[12:35] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, can you select "Generic - Raw" as the driver for the printer you've added.
[12:35] <emgee_> I've tried to install java from java.com, but that doesn't work..
[12:35] <xxMEL0Nxx> yes
[12:35] <darkness> I just clikd kdevelop3.... It wanted to install a ferw different things, i'm letting it. The worst thing that can happen is that i have to reinstall.
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> nice sugar mill dude!
[12:35] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, does it work then?
[12:35] <topyli> emgee_: sure it works. but there are packages too
[12:35] <xxMEL0Nxx> let me try
[12:36] <ompaul> darkness, read what it says, you will take the all so you don't have to look back if you want to
[12:36] <ircrob> When will vlc be updated?
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> can someone please take 2 seconds to send me a file.  i'd appreciate it.
[12:36] <Steinbeck1> does ubuntu automatically configure sound?
[12:36] <darkness> Well people, i think you very much for your help. Especially nalioth and ompaul. I will go and make a cup of coffee and let it download.
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> Steinbeck1 you can configure it however you want ti
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> it
[12:36] <topyli> Steinbeck1: it tries to
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> alsamixer
[12:36] <darkness> I got everything i need for it. I think and hope. It's just downloading now.
[12:36] <darkness> I'll most likely be back if i need your help.
[12:36] <ompaul> BROKEN_LADDER, that does not exist here :-)
[12:36] <ari123> is there an prog in ubuntu to burn dvd iso ?
[12:37] <ceej> is there anyway way of getting files from the windows partition from ubuntu?!
[12:37] <mjr> ari123, should work just by right-clicking in nautilus and selecting burn
[12:37] <topyli> ari123: the file manager
[12:37] <Steinbeck1> so ubuntu configures it or do I have to>
[12:37] <Steinbeck1> ?
[12:37] <nalioth> ari123: k3b
[12:37] <ompaul> ari123,  growisofs  if you want to do other stuff command line thing
[12:37] <nalioth> Steinbeck1: ubuntu configures everything (for the most part)
[12:38] <Steinbeck1> ok good
[12:38] <ircrob> ari123: growisofs
[12:38] <topyli> Steinbeck1: it configures all your hardware. if something doesn't work out of the box, it's a bug :)
[12:38] <xxMEL0Nxx> It says "Network host '<IP_ADDRESS> is busy' will retry in 30 secs
[12:38] <Steinbeck1> ok sounds good..linux is going to be better than i thought
[12:39] <Steinbeck1> i keep hearing horrible stories about it
[12:39] <xxMEL0Nxx> but the server is not busy
[12:39] <xxMEL0Nxx> and nothing shows in error_log
[12:39] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, try restarting cups on the server.
[12:39] <djp> can anyone point me in the direction of a good installation guide for breezy badger?
[12:40] <ompaul> Steinbeck1, it is not windows so people who approach it as if it was and do not want to learn anything will have a bad time - consider this if you move makes of car you can find the indicator in a different place you get on with your life -in the most part it is people who do not want to learn how to do something and just want to learn things by rote that have problems with computers in the first place
[12:40] <nalioth> ubotu: tell djp about breezy
[12:40] <topyli> djp: here: insert cd, reboot, press enter
[12:40] <xxMEL0Nxx> same
[12:40] <djp> topyli, :)
[12:40] <xxMEL0Nxx> if I stop the server it says the same
[12:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone have breezy?
[12:41] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, when you've started it, can you confirm that it's running by doing 'ps | grep cupsd' on the server?
[12:41] <ompaul> BROKEN_LADDER, yes but that file does not exist
[12:41] <soundray> xxMEL0Nxx, sorry, ps ax | grep cupsd
[12:42] <djp> nalioth, it is not an upgrade actually. a complete fresh install. i am downloading the iso now
[12:42] <xxMEL0Nxx> yes cupsd -F pid 16747
[12:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> ompaul of course it does
[12:42] <nalioth> djp: then see topyli's instructions
[12:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  8191 2005-11-14 03:22 us
[12:43] <codepoet> can anybody direct me though some proper instructions to submit suggestions to developers, or to even get CVS access?
[12:43] <ompaul> BROKEN_LADDER, you saying I (A) have a us kbd and (B) can't use ls ?
[12:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> /etc/X11/xkb/symbols
[12:43] <djp> nalioth, and nothing will need fixing on install?
[12:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> hamare lia ig beer credo
[12:43] <djp> topyli, nalioth, everything will be wroking without the need for a bit of twiddling so to speak?! ;)
[12:43] <nalioth> djp: nothing should need fixing. the isntaller has a built in ntfs resizer for making free space
[12:44] <ompaul> BROKEN_LADDER, sorry - I can't use ls :-) left out the leading /
[12:44] <nalioth> djp: if you want to avoid 'twiddling' you dont need to be running linux
[12:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> ?
[12:44] <xxMEL0Nxx> now it says that the printer is idle in the client
[12:44] <ompaul> BROKEN_LADDER, /etc etc are not the same
[12:44] <djp> amazing! i have had no end of fixing, altering, configuring to do with the latest debian release (3.1 sarg)
[12:44] <xxMEL0Nxx> but as soon as I send a print test
[12:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> djp indeed.  linux won't be hassle free for years
[12:44] <topyli> djp: that's the plan. things can always go awry but let's worry about it then :)
[12:44] <ompaul> BROKEN_LADDER, send you it as a tar ball in a sec
[12:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> no tar ball
[12:44] <xxMEL0Nxx> the network host busy message shows again
[12:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> thx
[12:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> ompaul are you going to buy me a beer?
[12:45] <LathropWells> Is there a handy way to record .pls streams from the command line?
[12:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> ompaul in my kitchen i have ajwaan, fenugreek, methi, tamarind, asafetida, and many other goodes.
[12:45] <djp> topyli, do i still need to download and install smeg in order to muck around with gnome under breezy, as i did with hoary?
[12:46] <kbrooks> ls etc == ls ./etc # ENOENT as in "No such file or directory"
[12:46] <topyli> djp: oh, you can tweak ubuntu, break it, fix it and so on, just like debian if you wish to :)
[12:46] <soundray> LathropWells, .pls = playlist ?
[12:46] <LathropWells> << FAXes BROKEN_LADDER a "Falt" Pepsi. - ;)
[12:46] <topyli> djp: no, smeg is in by default
[12:46] <kbrooks> if you're not in /.
[12:46] <xxMEL0Nxx> im going to give up
[12:46] <LathropWells> soundray - yes i think that is it.
[12:46] <LathropWells> *flat
[12:46] <ceej> how do you find where your windows partition is..... thought it was /dev/hda1 but i was wronge
[12:46] <ceej> mount: special device /dev/hda1
[12:47] <codepoet> can anybody direct me though some proper instructions to submit suggestions to developers, or to even get CVS access?
[12:47] <djp> BROKEN_LADDER, well some distros are better than others for people like myself. i must admit that ubuntu has been one of the most comfortable installs for me in the past, both hoary and the release previous (whos name escapes me right now)
[12:47] <LathropWells> ceej - fdisk -l
[12:47] <ceej> mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[12:47] <ceej> *
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> warty
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> breezy is the best by far
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> but it has a few problems
[12:47] <hyakuhei> breezy has broken networking
[12:47] <ceej> LathropWells: that didnt do anything
[12:47] <djp> topyli, sounds good. looking forward to breezy then... ;)
[12:47] <hyakuhei> not sure why
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> breezy has terrorized my keymaps
[12:48] <BlackDalek> I have not been able to get anywhere with my installing of ubuntu.
[12:48] <ceej> i'm doing this at the moment: sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[12:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> ompaul thx
[12:48] <BlackDalek> it just won't work.
[12:48] <ompaul> k
[12:48] <ari123> is there a way to transform a ntfs patition to fat or ext without loosing data ?
[12:48] <ceej> but my windows partion isn't at /dev/hda1 so i need to find out where it is, but have no idea ;/
[12:49] <Kao|Sleep> anyone know how to import mail messages from Thunderbird to KMail?
[12:49] <LathropWells> ceej - Psst. - give in to the easy way i know you want to... - lol - grab the "Winmac_fstab" script
[12:49] <LathropWells> !winmac_fstab
[12:49] <ubotu> LathropWells: What?
[12:49] <LathropWells> !ntfs
[12:49] <ubotu> I guess ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[12:49] <ceej> LathropWells: what does that do?
[12:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> ompaul it worked!  thank you !!
[12:50] <LathropWells> ceej - It will find all partitions and mount them - then edit the fstab list so they are remounted automatically on reboot.
[12:50] <gardin> is there write-support for ntfs now? :P i haven't tried it, but i heard that there was only read support for a time ago...
[12:51] <ceej> LathropWells: so i can view them from ubuntu?
[12:51] <Kao|Sleep> gardin: i had write support in an early version of the 2.6 kernel..
[12:51] <Kao|Sleep> was extremely alpha tho...
[12:51] <Kao|Sleep> and it did work :)
[12:51] <soundray> ari123, no, there isn't.
[12:51] <gardin> ok hehe
[12:51] <LathropWells> ceej - Yes, - it is very easy to use, - better you can use it as an example to learn BASH scripting.
[12:52] <KaoticEvil> gardin: i wouldnt trust it with data that i didnt *really* need tho
[12:52] <BlackDalek> my ubuntu installation gets up to the 'installing packages' bit, reaches 71% and freezes at 'configuring: xserver-xorg' Why? this happens every time I get to this point in the installation.
[12:52] <ceej> LathropWells: sudo apt-get install Winmac_fstab
[12:52] <ceej>  ?
[12:52] <KaoticEvil> anyone know how to import mail messages from Thunderbird to KMail?
[12:52] <ceej> sorry  sudo bash winmac_fstab?
[12:53] <gardin> but isn't win vista going to use something like WinFS, (just to make it harder for linux to access windows files :P)
[12:53] <LathropWells> it is a text file. - you download it and then change it to executable - google winmac_fstab  - when you see Seveas page grab it. or follow ubotu
[12:53] <KaoticEvil> gardin: yes, ive heard that Vista is going to use a whole new FS...
[12:53] <LathropWells> ubotu tell ceej about ntfs
[12:53] <Habbie> winfs has been cancelled or postponed
[12:53] <KaoticEvil> Habbie: really?
[12:53] <ceej> cheers
[12:54] <KaoticEvil> i wasnt aware of that..
[12:54] <gardin> Habbie: ok? so they'll use ntfs?
[12:54] <Habbie> KF: WinFS generated a lot of excitement and then had to be dropped from this release. Did WinFS play a role in the schedule?
[12:54] <Habbie> http://news.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-0&fp=4378103518d11fb6&ei=zHp4Q-WYMLf26QHF_51L&url=http%3A//www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/47876/Windows_47876.html&cid=0
[12:54] <Habbie> gardin, I guess :)
[12:54] <Habbie> http://news.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=us/3-0&fp=4378103518d11fb6&ei=zHp4Q-WYMLf26QHF_51L&url=http%3A//www.windowsitpro.com/Windows/Article/ArticleID/47841/47841.html&cid=0
[12:54] <nalioth> Habbie: y'all take the windows talk to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[12:54] <LathropWells> ceej - editing text has it's place, - good to learn. - so much more fun to boot up and do something fun right away. - lol
[12:54] <Habbie> nalioth, it's talk about accessing windows partitions from ubuntu ;)
[12:55] <HiddenWolf>  but, but, can't you run windows on ubuntu? :P
[12:55] <gardin> Habbie: yea probably :P maybe they'll disable fat32, ms evil-style :P
[12:55] <gardin> sure
[12:55] <BlackDalek> i think that is just isn't possible to install ubuntu onto the system I am trying to install it to.
[12:55] <KaoticEvil> HiddenWolf: with VMWare, yes
[12:55] <nalioth> HiddenWolf: qemu will allow that
[12:55] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: vmware is commercial, qemu is F/OSS
[12:55] <HiddenWolf> KaoticEvil, nalioth google for "joke"
[12:55] <KaoticEvil> qemu?
[12:55] <KaoticEvil> never heard of it..
[12:55] <nalioth> !info qemu
[12:55] <ubotu> qemu: (fast processor emulator), section universe/misc, is optional. Version: 0.7.0-4ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1783 kB, Installed size: 5332 kB
[12:56] <kbrooks> I need help.
[12:56] <KaoticEvil> :O
[12:56] <ceej> LathropWells: workd a charme thanks
[12:56] <LathropWells> You can buy windows ntfs drivers for linux - erm - but why???
[12:56] <nalioth> kbrooks: friend, just ask your question
[12:56] <LathropWells> ceej - np - "Linux Community" ;)
[12:56] <BlackDalek> ubuntu simply does not work on my system - what is another good linux I can try instead of ubuntu?
[12:57] <HiddenWolf> BlackDalek, define "not work"
[12:57] <ceej> :)
[12:57] <newtolinux> I am in the installing ubuntu on my other computer..im trying to resize the hdd through the guided partitioning option and it keeps failing and says i need to resize manually, ive tried manually but the changes wont seem to apply..any ideas?
[12:57] <gardin> BlackDalek: Ubuntu has become my favourite on 1 hour, i just installed it, and it's great :D
[12:57] <BlackDalek> "not work" as in it can't be installed on my system.
[12:57] <kbrooks> I need SVN server to auomatically start
[12:57] <HiddenWolf> BlackDalek, why not? what goes wrong?
[12:57] <kbrooks> on bootup
[12:57] <LathropWells> gardin - Welcome to Ubuntu! :)
[12:58] <BlackDalek> my ubuntu installation gets up to the 'installing packages' bit, reaches 71% and freezes at 'configuring: xserver-xorg' Why? this happens every time I get to this point in the installation.
[12:58] <KaoticEvil> anyone know how to import mail messages from Thunderbird to KMail?
[12:58] <newtolinux> I currently have windows xp installed on a 120gb drive
[12:58] <HiddenWolf> BlackDalek, burned the cd yourself?
[12:58] <BlackDalek> yes
[12:59] <mahangu_> in breezy, my fat disks are mounted as root, and i cant write to them without doing sudo nautilus /media/hdaX
[12:59] <mahangu_> any work around?
[12:59] <KaoticEvil> BlackDalek: probably a bad burn... try reburning at a slower speed..
[12:59] <soundray> kbrooks, svn as in Subversion?
[12:59] <BlackDalek> it dies installing the packages from the hard drive.
[12:59] <kbrooks> soundray: Yes.
[12:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> now i can type habeero
[12:59] <newtolinux> any ideas?
[12:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> or caon city, colorado
[12:59] <KaoticEvil> mahangu: edit /etc/fstab and add user to the lines mentioning your fat drives..
[12:59] <LathropWells> BlackDaleck - you can check it with a md5summ app md5summer or Filealyzer - both are free.
[01:00] <BlackDalek> it seems to copy the packages from the CD to the hard drive OK, it just freezes at 71% every timewhile installing them from the HD
[01:00] <BlackDalek> i don't have the ISO file anymore. only the CD
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> BlackDalek, press escape during install, and look for "media integrity check"
[01:00] <soundray> kbrooks, is there a svn related file in /etc/default ?
[01:00] <LathropWells> BlackDalek, - my bet is a fingerprint.
[01:01] <J_Element> i need to masquerade :S please any one ...
[01:01] <J_Element> can any one help me with this command " iptables -t -net -APOSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE "
[01:01] <HiddenWolf> What VT does the installer print it's messages on again?
[01:01] <HiddenWolf> F4?
[01:01] <kbrooks> soundray: No
[01:01] <soundray> kbrooks, in /etc/init.d ?
[01:01] <mahangu_> KaoticEvil, evil umask=0?
[01:02] <kbrooks> soundray: no
[01:02] <BlackDalek> is it just me or does ubuntu take 4 hours to install for everyone.?
[01:02] <Zukero> just you
[01:02] <LathropWells> lol - newsflash "Sony is not releasing CD's with anti-piracy program - scolded by the government Homeland Security Agency - Apparently Hackers have written exploits using it already.
[01:02] <ceej> how do you cd into a dir that has a space i.e Adobe Photoshop
[01:02] <nalioth> BlackDalek: just you
[01:02] <ceej> without using cd Photoshop*
[01:02] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ceej about cli
[01:03] <hyakuhei> I have the java 1.5 jdk running fine on breezy, how do i get firefox to use java though?
[01:03] <nalioth> ceej: cd "directory directory"
[01:03] <Zukero> ceej
[01:03] <nalioth> ceej: or cd directory\ directory
[01:03] <Zukero> put  \ before the space
[01:03] <Zukero> or use tab
[01:03] <BlackDalek> I've attemped to install this thing 4 times today and it has taken up the entire day.
[01:03] <Zukero> to auto complete path name
[01:03] <KaoticEvil> mahangu: huh?
[01:03] <nalioth> BlackDalek: is your cd good?
[01:03] <Zukero> BlackDalek : how fast is your cpu/cd drive ?
[01:04] <BlackDalek> nalioth: i have no idea if the CD is good.
[01:04] <ceej> thank you
[01:04] <nalioth> BlackDalek: at the installer menu, as was suggested above, click 'esc' and check media integrity
[01:05] <BlackDalek> zukero it's a celeron 266Mhz... I don't know the speed of the CD-ROM, all I know is it's about 6 years old
[01:05] <soundray> kbrooks, I don't know much about svn, but it seems that there isn't a server as such, just modules for apache2.
[01:05] <Zukero> ah
[01:05] <LathropWells> BlackDalek, - HiddenWolf has the hot tip. - use the media intgritycheck included as an option F# key "Media Integrity Check"   - 1.8mhz machine 33mins.
[01:06] <Zukero> so maybe it's quite normal
[01:06] <kbrooks> soundray: svnserve ...
[01:06] <Zukero> took 2 hrs on a PII with 2x CDROM
[01:06] <Steinbeck1> jeusus thats old
[01:06] <BlackDalek> when I press esc and check media integrity, what does that do?
[01:06] <mustard5> BlackDalek, it checks the CD for errors
[01:07] <Habbie> BlackDale, in my experience, nothing much
[01:07] <LathropWells> BlackDalek, -  xubuntu-desktop - will speed things up quite a bit. - don't worry.
[01:08] <Steinbeck1> will a x64 processor run a x32 linux operating system?
[01:08] <Habbie> Steinbeck, yes
[01:08] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, yes
[01:08] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, its has its advantages doing it that way too
[01:09] <LathropWells> No Execute Bit locking. is just one.
[01:09] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, with regards to what applications will work on your system, you will have more available
[01:09] <soundray> kbrooks, there is a generic way to install system services. Check out /etc/init.d/README.
[01:09] <Steinbeck1> ok
[01:09] <BlackDalek> well, I don't have time to try install again tonight. I will try this media integrity check thing another time... and if I dtill get nowhere I will download the CD again.
[01:09] <Steinbeck1> does linux generally run faster than windows?
[01:09] <Steinbeck1> or about the same
[01:09] <LathropWells> it keeps exploits from ruining your day. - hackers have a tough time bufferoverflowing your machine. with the noex bit
[01:09] <serfserver> hello
[01:10] <Habbie> noex bit is mostly marketing fluff
[01:10] <serfserver> there is some package that I use to have in gnome, it was in system admin, something like network config
[01:10] <Steinbeck1> well thats always good:)
[01:10] <serfserver> How do I get this back, what package? It use to configure the networks dhcp etc
[01:11] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, I dare not make that value judgement :)
[01:11] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, there is potential for it to be faster :D
[01:12] <soundray> Steinbeck1, it's difficult to compare execution speeds fairly under different OS's. I'd say subjectively, there won't be a noticable difference.
[01:12] <fruud> how do i setup my root pasword ? cant login on ROOT from login screen
[01:12] <mustard5> fruud, root login is disabled by default
[01:12] <Habbie> !tell fruud about sudo
[01:12] <Steinbeck1> ah ok
[01:12] <LathropWells> !sudo
[01:12] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:12] <Steinbeck1> well atleast its not 100 bucks
[01:12] <mustard5> fruud, you log in as a user and have superuser privileges
[01:12] <LathropWells> lol true - better you can see source code and alter it to your liking.
[01:13] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, this is true :)
[01:13] <serfserver> How do I get this back, what package? It use to configure the networks dhcp etc
[01:13] <Habbie> LathropWe, users don't do that.
[01:13] <kbrooks> soundray: do i really *have* to rtfm?
[01:13] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, its a lot of fun to tweak and play with your system too, if you like tweaking :)
[01:13] <Steinbeck1> itll take some getting used to
[01:13] <Steinbeck1> i have no understanding of the operating system
[01:14] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, it will be like starting with windows from scratch :)
[01:14] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, we have a lot of people around to help you if you have questions though
[01:14] <fruud> one guy helped me b4 to enable to logon as root from login screen :O
[01:14] <Steinbeck1> i started with windows 3.1..but i have a feeling this will be much more challenging
[01:14] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, you've come to the right place ;)
[01:14] <soundray> kbrooks, sorry. I've waited for quite a while before replying to you. There don't seem to be any SVN experts hanging out today... :)
[01:14] <fruud> how do i renew my root psw ?
[01:14] <kbrooks> soundray: svnserve
[01:14] <mustard5> fruud, the instruction are at the wiki link someone provided above
[01:15] <darkness> HEllo everyone.
[01:15] <kbrooks> soundray: i need that to autostart
[01:15] <aftertaf> serfserver: you can do it manually too ;)     edit /etc/networking/interfaces
[01:15] <nalioth> fruud: you should not have a root password
[01:15] <Steinbeck1> yes i heard the community support for ubuntu was good
[01:15] <kbrooks> for anonymous svn.
[01:15] <fruud> ok.
[01:15] <ktogias> fruud, as root run passwd
[01:15] <aftertaf> Steinbeck1: first class, mate ;)
[01:15] <asmz> hello.
[01:15] <kbrooks> ktogias: dont suggest that
[01:15] <serfserver> k
[01:15] <soundray> kbrooks, I understand that, but I can't save you rtfm.
[01:15] <darkness> How do you compiler a c++ program in Kdevelop?
[01:15] <ktogias> kbrooks, why not?
[01:16] <kbrooks> ktogias: you  dont understand sudo
[01:16] <kbrooks> ubotu: tell ktogias about sudo
[01:16] <aftertaf> serfserver: i dont know what its called, but you can do it manually, gives you a bit extra knowhow.....
[01:16] <Steinbeck1> does the os give you a generic video driver or the official drivers(i use ati's x800)
[01:16] <darkness> ubotu: tell darkness about kdevelop
[01:16] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, I would go through your hardware and check for hardware compatibility too
[01:16] <nalioth> ktogias: you are thinking of other distros than ubuntu, we use sudo here (and have no root account)
[01:16] <LathropWells> Ubuntu has a GUI for everything most users want to do. - simple to use - or go geek wild and type everything just like a hacker from the movie "War Games"
[01:17] <aftertaf> Steinbeck1: depends.......
[01:17] <aftertaf> w00t
[01:17] <LathropWells> lol
[01:17] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, personally I think ati can be a bit of a pain.  Depends on the which type of ati really
[01:17] <darkness> Hey, could anyone tell me how to compiler a C++ program using kdevelop or using the terminal.. IF that is how you do it.
[01:17] <Steinbeck1> well its already installing so
[01:18] <Steinbeck1> crossing my fingers
[01:18] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, there is a generic driver, VESA, that will get you going if your ati is being finicky during install
[01:18] <ktogias> if there is no root account password (i also work with sudo) why should someone whant to 'renew his root password'?? I suggested he knew what he wanted to do....
[01:18] <Steinbeck1> why is ati so difficult?
[01:18] <kbrooks> nalioth: the root account is *disabled*. he can *access* it with sudo -s
[01:18] <asmz> Excuse my bad english. I need some help with the eagle-sub driver; i'm using a Hauwei MT810 USB modem, and i can't make it works using the normal configuration. The module charges, but it doesn't detect the modem, like it's not plugged in mi computer.
[01:18] <nalioth> ktogias: there are lots of howtos out there that refernece 'root', in ubuntu we use 'sudo' for superuser duties
[01:19] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, I am not too sure, being a nvidia person.  I just cringe at all the ati people struggling with their driver installs
[01:19] <Steinbeck1> mustard5, :(
[01:19] <ktogias> ok
[01:19] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, depends on what model ati you have :)
[01:19] <Steinbeck1> i use x800
[01:19] <soundray> kbrooks, have you googled? I found http://stonetable.org/wiki/index.php/WorkingWithSubversion
[01:20] <LathropWells> !display
[01:20] <ubotu> from memory, display is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[01:20] <LathropWells> !ati
[01:20] <ubotu> I guess ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[01:20] <pc22> whats the difference between 386 and 686 kernel?
[01:20] <Steinbeck1> aslong as I can get the higher resolutions and can play videos im fine
[01:21] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, you making a dual boot system or full linux?
[01:21] <Steinbeck1> ive got another computer with windows..so im full
[01:21] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, full install makes life easier :)
[01:22] <Steinbeck1> yes i figured it would
[01:22] <Steinbeck1> hows linux support for wireless cards and routers?
[01:23] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, not too bad in Breezy Badger
[01:23] <Steinbeck1> good
[01:23] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, check if you hardware is listed in here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[01:23] <Steinbeck1> mustartd5, do you know if vesa supports higher resolutions?
[01:24] <Steinbeck1> mustard5, i havent got the card yet, still need to get it
[01:24] <kbrooks> Steinbeck1: also, its not linux, its the linux distributions
[01:24] <Steinbeck1> i just bought this other computer and before than didnt need a router
[01:24] <nalioth> Steinbeck1: vesa supports more resolutions than your vid card can create
[01:24] <Steinbeck1> other computer is on the other side of the house so need to go wireless
[01:24] <kbrooks> they have a tool called "ndiswrapper"
[01:24] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, I don't know for sure.  I can run my desktop on 1280 x 1024 with VESA
[01:24] <soundray> kbrooks, have you found the URL useful?
[01:24] <Steinbeck1> ok thats fine
[01:24] <Steinbeck1> just didnt want to be stuck at 640x480
[01:25] <jouni__m> Hi, does anyone have experience asus p5p800 motherboard?
[01:25] <LathropWells> Steinbeck - You have ati?
[01:26] <darknature> can anyone explain why when firefox can not play some music or a video on a website...it crashes
[01:26] <Steinbeck1> latropwells, yes ati x800
[01:26] <LathropWells> Steinbeck - nice card.
[01:26] <Steinbeck1> with a x64 so i see problems right off the bat
[01:26] <Steinbeck1> yes its a good card
[01:26] <Steinbeck1> also have a geforce 7800gtx ko
[01:26] <Steinbeck1> on my newer one
[01:26] <AngryClip> darknature, its a security umm feature
[01:27] <AngryClip> :P
[01:27] <Steinbeck1> computer*
[01:27] <kbrooks> soundray: modifying the init script atm
[01:27] <crube> Hey I was wondering if anyone knows a good HowTo that could tell me how to get KDE and Gnome installed at the same time and not showing each other's programs.
[01:27] <jouni__m> could anyone help buying pci firewire card?
[01:27] <darknature> hmm how do i modify this security feature
[01:28] <deFrysk> crube, gnome has a menu-editor whre you can comment out/in applications
[01:28] <AngryClip> darknature, launch ff from the command line, then make it crash and show us the error message it outputs
[01:28] <deFrysk> crube, I'm sure kde also has an symilar menu editor
[01:28] <deFrysk> similar*
[01:28] <darknature> command line you mean in the terminal?
[01:28] <AngryClip> yeah darknature
[01:28] <crube> deFrysk,  I'll look into that.
[01:29] <nalioth> ubotu: tell darknature about cli
[01:29] <crube> deFrysk, you dont happen to remember the name of that editor.
[01:29] <nalioth> crube: you can ask about kubuntu things in #kubuntu
[01:29] <nalioth> ubotu: tell crube about smeg
[01:30] <deFrysk> crube, in gnome its applications > Systemtools >applications menu editor
[01:30] <crube> nalioth well this is actually a little bit of both. I'm using ubuntu but I want to test kde as well without having to mess anything up.
[01:30] <crube> deFrysk, thanks.
[01:30] <J_Element> how can i install my intel sound card using ubuntu :O
[01:30] <deFrysk> crube, also known as nalioth says : smeg
[01:30] <J_Element> im quite new on this
[01:31] <J_P> hi all
[01:31] <LathropWells> crube - you can install kubuntu-desktop with out too much extra fuss. - except the 100meg+ download.
[01:31] <AngryClip> crube, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop *should* work
[01:31] <nalioth> crube: kde has a built in menu editor, ask in #kubuntu
[01:31] <AngryClip> but I haven't tested it
[01:31] <pc22> is their any advantage to me running 686 kernel on my P4?
[01:31] <nalioth> pc22: do you have more than 768mb ram?
[01:31] <kbrooks> but how?
[01:32] <AngryClip> pc22, if it has HT tech, then you will want to use the smp kern
[01:32] <nalioth> kbrooks: visit -motu or -devel
[01:32] <LathropWells> crube - on the initial sign-in password screen there will be an option to switch back and forth betwen gnome and kde.
[01:32] <pc22> 256 ram pnly
[01:32] <pc22> only
[01:32] <nalioth> pc22: do you have ht or dual core?
[01:32] <crube> LathropWells, allright.
[01:32] <dooglus> can I run GNOME without nautilus?
[01:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to change the person icon on the xscreensaver login?
[01:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> doobie_ of course.
[01:32] <nalioth> dooglus: not really
[01:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> absolutely he can.
[01:32] <dooglus> nalioth: why?
[01:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> just don't run it.
[01:32] <nalioth> dooglus: nautilus draws your desktop
[01:32] <AngryClip> dooglus, that sounds like a question for #gnome, but I doubt it
[01:32] <dooglus> I don't run it - it seems to run itself
[01:32] <kbrooks> well, its in main, nalioth
[01:32] <crube> Well it's downloading now. I'll get to test it in about 15 minutes
[01:33] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: and have a broken gnome?
[01:33] <J_Element> can any one help regarding samba file sharing ?
[01:33] <dooglus> I never use it.
[01:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> dooglus you could easily set another program to draw your wallpaper.
[01:33] <J_Element> it keeps setting default network group to Ms home :S
[01:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> nalioth broken? lol
[01:33] <pc22> Nalioth no
[01:33] <dooglus> BROKEN_LADDER: the wallpaper is hidden behind other windows anyway.  I never get to see it
[01:33] <chriss_> hi, i am searching for a linux-distri for my son (12). Goals are gaming and education. my computer is very old  - Pentium 105 Mhz, 32 MB RAM . So what can you recommend me.
[01:33] <nalioth> pc22: then no, using the 686 kernel wont do a thing for you
[01:33] <Habbie> chriss_, edubuntu?
[01:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> dooglus even if you did want to see it, there are programs besides nautilus that could draw it for you.
[01:33] <Habbie> chriss_, although 32MB RAM is really not much
[01:34] <HiddenWolf> Habbie, I doubt that'd run nicely
[01:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> dooglus you don't put icons on your "desktop" do you?
[01:34] <nalioth> dooglus: it's not just wallpaper, it's the right-click functionality, the panels usage and such
[01:34] <LathropWells> crube - erm - Psst. - you can even try XFCE4 or Enlightement Desktop and get this IT'S ADDED AUTO-MAGICALLY!  - this was enough to make me have to sit down and take a few slow breaths - lol
[01:34] <dooglus> BROKEN_LADDER: I believe you can just set the root window to have a picture on it without needing a program to be constantly running
[01:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> dooglus yup
[01:34] <HiddenWolf> chriss_, you will need to jump through some hoops to find something that's snappy on that pc
[01:34] <dooglus> nalioth: I think the panels are a separate program (called 'gnome-panel')
[01:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> dooglus i really wouldn't get rid of nautilus, but if you want to, go for it.
[01:34] <nalioth> dooglus: nautilus and gnome are like explorer and windows  (they both draw and run the interface)
[01:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> dooglus yup
[01:34] <HiddenWolf> chriss_, let alone work nicely for a small child.
[01:34] <nalioth> dooglus: i said usage of gnome panel
[01:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> nautilus is totally optional
[01:35] <dooglus> nalioth: explorer does a bit more, I think.  maybe nautilus+gnome-panel == explorer, or something
[01:35] <chriss_> Habbie: i heared from edubuntu but i dont think it will run on my computer
[01:35] <nalioth> dooglus: it's your box, have fun
[01:35] <Habbie> chriss_, I doubt that too
[01:35] <dooglus> nautilus is using 30Mb that I could be using for other stuff is all...
[01:36] <HiddenWolf> chriss_, even xfce/xubuntu won't run too happily. you might want to resort to more minimalistic graphical interfaces.
[01:37] <dooglus> does anyone understand the session management in GNOME?  I'd like to make a new session, and remove nautilus from it, so I don't mess up the working default session.  can I?
[01:37] <chriss_> i think i have to search distrowatch.com to find what i am looking for
[01:37] <Steinbeck1> ok...i cant get a gui up
[01:38] <Steinbeck1> it saying something is wrong with xserver
[01:38] <nalioth> Steinbeck1: did you choose VESA?
[01:38] <Steinbeck1> it chose everything for me
[01:38] <Steinbeck1> so i have no idea
[01:38] <nalioth> Steinbeck1: then in a console, do what ubotu says, and choose the VESA driver
[01:38] <nalioth> !xcfg
[01:38] <ubotu> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:38] <tshepo> i need somebody to help with installation of freemind
[01:38] <paolob> Hi guys! Anyone knows if openoffice 2.0 will be released for breeze? If so, when?
[01:39] <sexcopter8000m> hi, have a friend who might like to try ubuntu, but she's in halls of residence and you have to connect via a proxy server. how does that work in ubuntu?
[01:39] <tshepo> I am having issues with java actually
[01:39] <Steinbeck1> ok hold on i have to go to the other side of the house, so ill write it down
[01:39] <nalioth> paolob: most likely it will appear in backports
[01:40] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, k
[01:40] <nalioth> sexcopter8000m: in your ~/.bashrc put "http_proxy=x.x.x.x:port"  <enter> "export http_proxy"
[01:40] <aftertaf> sexcopter8000m: and for the apt repositories, there is a file to cretae too
[01:40] <paolob> nalioth: any idea when will it be there?
[01:40] <tshepo> when i try to run freemind java gives me this message: java.awt.IllegalComponentStateException
[01:41] <marlun> Is there a application which reads pdf files and also have the feature to highlight text? I'm using Evince (which came with ubuntu) now and does not seem to be able to do it?
[01:41] <sexcopter8000m> nalioth, ok, so what does one put for the settings in "system -> admin -> networking"?
[01:41] <tshepo> then freemind never opens
[01:41] <tshepo> anyone out there with ideas?
[01:41] <holycow> wow, xorg is using 891 mb or virtual memory
[01:41] <holycow> *hmmmm*
[01:41] <Steinbeck1> ok command is entered
[01:41] <nalioth> sexcopter8000m: i have no idea, let me look
[01:41] <sexcopter8000m> and nalioth, this proxy requires a login, where does that info go?
[01:41] <Steinbeck1> put my password in and at some screen
[01:42] <aftertaf> sexcopter8000m: shell need to create a file called apt.conf in /etc/apt
[01:42] <aftertaf> sexcopter8000m: and put this line (change where needed)   Acquire::http::Proxy "http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8090";
[01:42] <sexcopter8000m> ok, cool aftertaf
[01:42] <tshepo> where can i get java specialist to help me
[01:43] <tshepo> or is there a better group you can recommend
[01:43] <Nali0ths_dog> nalioth should know better then to run a gui
[01:43] <J_Element> any one can help with how to see my domain when im using file sharing for windows ?
[01:43] <kbrooks> tshepo: The java group, straight down the hall, right, and then right again at the deadend. Only joking ;)
[01:43] <Nali0ths_dog> sexcopter8000m, nalioth will be back in a moment, his network-admin crashed his computer
[01:44] <kbrooks> #java
[01:44] <Steinbeck1> im at a ubuntu configuration screen asking if i want to autodetect the videocard or manually do so
[01:44] <LathropWells> nalioth - hm - no idea you had a pet.. what is this?
[01:44] <sexcopter8000m> lol, ok Nali0ths_dog
[01:44] <ompaul> Nali0ths_dog, what are you barking on about :-)
[01:44] <Nali0ths_dog> Steinbeck1, just click through until you get to the driver section
[01:44] <sexcopter8000m> paolob, as far as i know breezy has OOo2.0....
[01:44] <dooglus> paolob: breezy was frozen a few months back.  openoffice 2.0 isn't in breezy.
[01:44] <kbrooks> Nali0ths_dog: you ARE nalioth
[01:44] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, when you get to the driver section choose VESA and just choose default for everything else
[01:44] <HiddenWolf> sexcopter8000m, no, 1.9.something
[01:45] <paolob> sexcopter8000m: it has RC1 or 2
[01:45] <ompaul> sexcopter8000m, the last of the betas but it might as well be 2.0 it is close but not the cigar
[01:45] <HiddenWolf> dooglus, there are test packages that'll move to dapper soon.
[01:45] <soundray> kbrooks, how did you work that out? :)
[01:45] <HiddenWolf> ompaul, not nearly close, I hope. :P
[01:45] <dooglus> HiddenWolf: sure.  but he was asking when it will be in breezy.
[01:45] <Steinbeck1> ok I chose vesa
[01:45] <Steinbeck1> and its asking for a pci bus identifier
[01:45] <ari123>  the pb of writing on ntfs partition affect also hard drive that are on a NAS ?
[01:45] <LathropWells> HiddenWolf - well don't just tease us - what packages???? - grin
[01:45] <kbrooks> soundray: he told me
[01:45] <kbrooks> Steinbeck1: next
[01:46] <HiddenWolf> dooglus, backporting generally happens when the stuff hits the devel distro. :P
[01:46] <nalioth> sexcopter8000m: i only deal with console settings, usually, and have no clue about network-admin
[01:46] <mahangu> why isnt kismet in the breezy repos?
[01:46] <sexcopter8000m> nalioth, ok, no worries, heh
[01:46] <soundray> ari123, no, not usually.
[01:47] <borup> mahangu: it is'
[01:47] <nalioth> sexcopter8000m: what i was typing when my machine shut off, was that google has many howtos on using proxies in linux
[01:47] <kbrooks> nalioth: are they that evil
[01:47] <nalioth> sexcopter8000m: all the pertinent info on proxy user/pass and all that rot are in the how tos
[01:47] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, choose the default
[01:47] <nalioth> kbrooks: my console progs dont kill my box
[01:47] <holycow> i'm just curious, is it normal for xorg to end up using large amounts of virtual memory after several days of use?  it starts to really hit home when i'm swapping many windows as its paging stuff out, even though i have 512 megs of ram (its using 891 megs of virtual ram for some reason and 178 or resident which should be fine)?
[01:48] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, choose defaults for everything else in fact
[01:48] <ompaul> kbrooks, they are a step away from the command line that they could be
[01:48] <ompaul> kbrooks, that step can be very big
[01:48] <soundray> holycow, no, that isn't normal.
[01:49] <Steinbeck1> x is up:)
[01:49] <dtamas> how can I record mp3 from online radio stream under ubuntu?
[01:49] <kbrooks> ompaul: who is "they"
[01:49] <kbrooks> ?
[01:49] <holycow> soundray, i thought so, this is a phenomenon i've only seen on breezy
[01:50] <holycow> lets try this again
[01:50] <Steinbeck1> ive got the resolution at 1600x1200 how do i bring it down?
[01:50] <ompaul> kbrooks, they are the commands they could be :)
[01:50] <ompaul> kbrooks, guis are not the command lines they could be ...
[01:50] <LathropWells> CTRL+ALT+NUMKEY+
[01:50] <LathropWells> CTRL+ALT+NUMKEY-
[01:50] <soundray> holycow, try using another Xserver perhaps.
[01:50] <kbrooks> Steinbeck1: xrandr :) or system -> prefs -> screen resolution
[01:51] <nalioth> Steinbeck1: streamripper
[01:51] <Steinbeck1> ok thanks :)
[01:51] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, too easy ;)
[01:51] <nalioth> dtamas: streamripper
[01:51] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, as usual ati disappoints ;)
[01:51] <LathropWells> soundray - i think you are right i had that in ram problems in hoary with 3 desktops installed.
[01:52] <Steinbeck1> ok
[01:52] <Steinbeck1> how do i get my sound up and running
[01:52] <Steinbeck1> or check it?
[01:52] <gimmulf> !alsa
[01:52] <ubotu> well, alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[01:52] <LathropWells> Steinbeck - right click on the speaker icon
[01:52] <holycow> much much better
[01:52] <holycow> it seems we have found a memory leak in xorg somewhere
[01:52] <holycow> *hmmm* how to track it down
[01:52] <LathropWells> Steinbeck1, likely it is muted
[01:52] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, speaker icon is top right corner
[01:52] <Steinbeck1> ok
[01:53] <soundray> holycow, first suspect is the Xserver.
[01:53] <hunger> Is there a way to force cpu freq to give me all the power it got?
[01:53] <nalioth> kbrooks: it never crashes unless i'm in the middle of something that took a lot of time to set up
[01:53] <soundray> hunger, yeah, uninstall it.
[01:53] <holycow> soundray, ah! alrighty, now that i have a starting point i can begin my googling/testing
[01:53] <holycow> thanks soundray
[01:53] <Steinbeck1> how do i unmute it?
[01:53] <Steinbeck1> it was all the way down
[01:53] <hunger> soundray: Normally I do want it:-)
[01:53] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, double click on it
[01:54] <soundray> holycow, good luck.
[01:54] <Steinbeck1> brought it up...but ihave no audio file to check it
[01:54] <LathropWells> nalioth - install a keylogger - j/k ;)
[01:54] <Steinbeck1> ok will do
[01:54] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, try testing with the System>>preferences>>multimedia selector
[01:54] <dtamas> nalioth: are there a GUI frontend?
[01:54] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, after you have made sure your volume settings are working
[01:54] <soundray> hunger, over here it switches to max frequency on demand. Isn't that the default behaviour?
[01:55] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, or turned up I should saay
[01:55] <nalioth> dtamas: xstreamripper, kstreamripper, probably some more
[01:55] <Steinbeck1> ok i hear static :)
[01:55] <Steinbeck1> ok ill check mutimedia selector
[01:56] <ari123> i can write to nas ntfs formated drive from linux *
[01:56] <hunger> soundray: It does most of the time... but not when qemu needs the power.
[01:57] <mrtwister> upgrading to breezy... strange message about locale       LANGUAGE = "en_LT:en",
[01:57] <mrtwister> i am in lithuania, but en_LT is impossible :)
[01:57] <Steinbeck1> ok
[01:57] <Steinbeck1> esd works..but alsa dosent
[01:58] <Steinbeck1> and i also checked video test and they didnt work
[01:58] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, come back to that later :)
[01:58] <soundray> hunger, you can temporarily disable freq scaling with /etc/init.d/cpufreq stop .
[01:58] <hunger> soundray: Ah! adding "-n" to the OPTIONS in /etc/default/powernowd fixes it:-)
[01:58] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, you have a lot of configuration left to do yet with other stuff :)
[01:59] <Steinbeck1> yes
[01:59] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Steinbeck1 about sound
[01:59] <hunger> soundray: qemu runs way faster with 2.1GHz then with 400MHz;-)
[01:59] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, you got internet up straight away?
[01:59] <Steinbeck1> i need a router
[01:59] <soundray> hunger, okay, you're on powernowd, that's good...
[01:59] <Steinbeck1> its not hooked up yet
[01:59] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, k
[01:59] <mustard5> I would work on internet connection
[01:59] <Steinbeck1> do i need to be connected?
[02:00] <LathropWells> how do you measure your CPU Frequency?
[02:00] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, you using wifi?
[02:00] <Steinbeck1> not yet
[02:00] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, no wifi card in yet?
[02:00] <hunger> LathropWells: There are applets for that in both Gnome and kde (somewhat hidden there).
[02:00] <Steinbeck1> no not yet
[02:00] <soundray> LathropWells, there's a CPU freq. monitor for the panel.
[02:00] <Steinbeck1> this computer is hooked up the cable modem and i have no router
[02:00] <LathropWells> Ah - ok. - Thank You
[02:00] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, k, well most of the stuff you need to get your system up and running is online
[02:01] <Steinbeck1> ah ok...i guess ill tear everything down then
[02:01] <soundray> LathropWells, but real men do 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' I guess.
[02:01] <ompaul> LathropWells,  cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz
[02:01] <Steinbeck1> how do i shut it down?
[02:01] <Steinbeck1> same?
[02:01] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, System>>Log out
[02:01] <hunger> soundray: It's in /sys nowadays IIRC:-)
[02:02] <fbest> Hi, I'm encountering a kernel panic when attempting to install 5.04, 5.10 and the latest Drake as well - my machine has a DPT i2o SCSI RAID controller card in it, and I seem to be encountering the same error reported in this bugzilla bug report: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17897 ...any suggestions on how to get around this? From what I gather it loads a DPT driver and an i2o driver and they clash with each other brutally
[02:02] <Steinbeck1> will it be a problem if i use my 21 inch monitor thats already on this desk?
[02:02] <LathropWells> soundray -thats cool. - Thanks
[02:02] <winston> help my Ubuntu wont start after login and I dont know how to debug
[02:02] <LathropWells> Ompaul guru
[02:02] <Steinbeck1> i dont really feel like tossing monitors around
[02:02] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, you got me on that one :)
[02:02] <mustard5> Nalioth, can Steinbeck1 switch monitors easily?
[02:03] <krischan> Hi. I am looking for applications to bulk rename files. The only graphical solution seems to be Krename. Does anybody know good alternatives?
[02:03] <LathropWells> Steinbeck - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is easy enough. - just run it after the switch.
[02:04] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, there you go
[02:04] <Steinbeck1> ok will do
[02:04] <ompaul> LathropWells, I am far from a guru, but I have a torch :-) so let me remove some gloom :)
[02:04] <hunger> krischan: mmv works great for me... no GUI though.
[02:04] <Steinbeck1> ill be back in a minute
[02:04] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, k
[02:04] <soundray> krischan, 'for i in * ; do something ; done'
[02:04] <hunger> soundray: Wow! qemu really rocks now that it got 5times the cpu freq:-)
[02:04] <winston> Cant start X after login on Breezy, can anyone help me debug
[02:04] <krischan> hunger: what can mmv do?
[02:05] <hunger> krischan: mass move files.
[02:05] <soundray> hunger, I'm not surprised.
[02:05] <krischan> soundray: of course, do-it-yourself is always a solution. But I'm interested to know if there's a decent application, like the bulk rename tool of Total Commander (Windows).
[02:06] <hunger> How do I set a http-proxy for apt?
[02:06] <LathropWells> winston - likely the answer is in the command  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    - i will help where i can.
[02:06] <mustard5> hunger, I'll show you a link one tick
[02:06] <LathropWells> winston from Orwell's 1984?
[02:07] <hunger> mustard5: Thanks!
[02:07] <soundray> krischan, guess I'm old fashioned that way, but I've come to trust my bash one-liners...
[02:07] <mustard5> hunger, down the bottom of the page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[02:07] <winston> lathroWells ok will try, yes from the novel and im adapting it to comic book using my ubuntu
[02:07] <oxigen> hi
[02:07] <oxigen> my gnome panel died :(
[02:08] <fbest> no experience with the i2o issue?
[02:08] <oxigen> am I alone with this problem?
[02:08] <LathropWells> winston - reading the link might be faster than my typing. give ubotu a chance to earn his keep.
[02:08] <LathropWells> !display
[02:08] <ubotu> [display]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[02:08] <oxigen> last update seems fatal
[02:08] <hunger> mustard5: Hmmm. I checked the apt.conf man page. It lists a config file entry to do it there. Well, if the env-var works, I'll stick with that.
[02:08] <krischan> soundray: for you and me, programming a bash script is an option, but not for the ordinary user. I am curious to know if there already exists a decent app for this particular problem.
[02:09] <mustard5> hunger, I have searched for the apt.conf file and couldnt find it
[02:09] <mustard5> hunger, do you have one in /etc/apt?
[02:10] <oxigen> it was bad idea to upgrade to breezy I think...
[02:10] <oxigen> old debian bugs are on the way, or something ... :(
[02:10] <mustard5> oxigne, what exactly died in your gnome panel?
[02:11] <oxigen> mustard5: gnome panel
[02:11] <winston> lathroWells ok damned still same prob
[02:11] <LathropWells> winston - What do you see?
[02:11] <oxigen> mustard5: I can not get konsole
[02:11] <hunger> mustard5: It should go into /etc/apt/apt.conf.
[02:11] <winston> lathroWells I tried even reinstalling but ubuntu keeps the configs even when formating
[02:11] <mustard5> oxigen, you on kde?
[02:11] <oxigen> mustard5: and the rest of the programs
[02:12] <hunger> mustard5: I created it... but the http proxy setting is ignored.
[02:12] <mustard5> oxigen, forget I said that
[02:12] <hunger> mustard5: apt-config dump lists it, so the setting should work.
[02:12] <mustard5> hunger did you close your terminal?
[02:12] <winston> well I went trhough the reconfiguration and am back to same prob...
[02:12] <gardin> im using the radeon driver supplied by X.org, and i'm trying to get Xinerama to work, i get the same picture on both monitors, except only one of them show the mouse, in Xorg.0.log it says that X finds my primary monitor on DVI, and my sec on VGA, whats wrong? is there any good tutorial?
[02:12] <mustard5> hunger, oh you are talking about apt-conf?
[02:12] <mustard5> hunger, soz
[02:12] <J_Element> any one can help me about mouting my drives & cd rom
[02:12] <soundray> krischan, you're implying something about non-DAU solutions not being decent?
[02:13] <winston> LathropWells I get a window telling me that my session lasted less than 10 seconds
[02:13] <hunger> mustard5: I was. Using http_proxy env var now as suggested by the howto you pointed out to me.
[02:13] <LathropWells> winston - where i got tripped up was in the bus ID# and then later with enabling "Frame Buffer" -
[02:13] <soundray> krischan, sorry, don't mean to turn this into a flamewar.
[02:13] <Astxist> took me awhile to get mp3s playing though
[02:13] <gardin> J_Element: mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom, if hdc is your cdrom
[02:13] <oxigen> I have working breezy mirror on other disk, can I repair broken breezy that way?
[02:13] <mustard5> hunger, I played with my system for ages before I found out how to do it :)
[02:13] <mustard5> hunger, I added that to the guide ;)
[02:13] <winston> LathropWells when i view detail i see xsession setup with (...)
[02:13] <LathropWells> winston read the debug report offered it will give you some good info.
[02:13] <hunger> mustard5: Thanks:-)
[02:13] <soundray> krischan, I don't have to look after any users, so I guess that's lucky.
[02:14] <J_Element> dont get it
[02:14] <fbest> any suggestions on where to head next for i2o expertise??
[02:14] <krischan> soundray: no problem, neither do I.
[02:14] <mustard5> hunger I was so pleased to see it being used hehehe ;)
[02:14] <hunger> mustard5: That setting works for wget as well by the way (and some other console webbrowsers).
[02:14] <jamie> ok im up
[02:14] <J_Element> i cant see my partitions from windows
[02:14] <mustard5> hunger, k
[02:14] <J_Element> u get my point ?
[02:14] <hunger> mustard5: even though it is underdocumented in wget's man page as well;-)
[02:14] <mustard5> hunger, :)
[02:15] <mahangu> "Couldn't stat source package list http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages"
[02:15] <mahangu> i also cant seem to find kismet
[02:15] <LathropWells> J_Element - give ubotu's link a peek winmac_fstab - will find and mount all available partitions automatically.
[02:15] <LathropWells> !ntfs
[02:15] <ubotu> somebody said ntfs was the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:15] <J_Element> LathropWells,  ?
[02:15] <hunger> OK, back to playing with xen...
[02:16] <mahangu> !repos
[02:16] <ubotu> well, repos is How to add repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[02:16] <J_Element> how do i do that
[02:16] <jamie> ubotu, if you dont mind can you send me that link so i can get alsa up?
[02:16] <ubotu> Not a clue, jamie
[02:16] <winston> LathropWells /etc/gdm.PreSession/Default/: running: /usr/bin/x11/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utump -x >/var/lib/gdm/ :0.Xservers> -h >> -l >:0> >winston>
[02:16] <LathropWells> J_Element - winmac_fstab.sh is a very nice script that will find and enable all parttions auto matically.
[02:16] <J_Element> yeah where can i get that
[02:17] <winston> LathropWells > are supposed to be quotes
[02:17] <Steinbeck1> forgot to change my name :)
[02:17] <fbest> ...so total NADA on i2o issues?
[02:17] <winston> I cant make any sense out of this
[02:17] <sianis> hi all!
[02:17] <sianis> is there an nVidia guru?
[02:17] <LathropWells> winston - i have don't know enough to help. - maybe someoine has the answer.
[02:18] <winston> ok I have to get to work anyways thanks
[02:18] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, welcome back :)
[02:18] <winston> will try later
[02:18] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, you online on ubuntu?
[02:18] <Steinbeck1> for a minute there i didnt think i could get my ethernet up
[02:18] <Steinbeck1> but yea i got it
[02:18] <Steinbeck1> had to activate eth0
[02:18] <J_Element> LathropWells,  where do i get it ?
[02:18] <mustard5> ah ok, you got it working on ubuntu on your own?
[02:18] <sianis> i install factory nVidia driver for my 6600 GT
[02:19] <Steinbeck1> yea
[02:19] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, well done :)
[02:19] <LathropWells> winston - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the tol to use.
[02:19] <sianis> when boot X i see the nVidia logo
[02:19] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, ok you probably want to install software now?
[02:19] <sianis> and i can start the glxgears
[02:19] <Steinbeck1> well fix alsa
[02:19] <Steinbeck1> yea
[02:19] <Steinbeck1> drivers first:)
[02:19] <Steinbeck1> if it is a driver?
[02:19] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, hmm..I'm not sure aobut how to proceed with alsa
[02:19] <LathropWells> J_Elelment - follow the link ubotu has or google Seveas  winmac_fstab
[02:20] <sianis> but the gears move slow, and program not report the FPS
[02:20] <Habbie> sianis, glxgears -printfps
[02:20] <sianis> how can I test my VGA card ?
[02:20] <oxigen> I found the same problem with possible solution: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14853
[02:20] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, no it won't be a driver I dont think..drivers are built into the kernel
[02:20] <winston> LathropWells thanks will try it
[02:20] <LathropWells> tell J_Element about !ntfs
[02:20] <Steinbeck1> yea i didnt think so
[02:20] <LathropWells> ubotu tell J_Element about !ntfs
[02:20] <J_Element> lol
[02:20] <soundray> sianis, it's probably an aliasing effect.
[02:20] <Steinbeck1> is alsa needed for music?
[02:20] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, its a configuration issue of some kind
[02:20] <sianis> Habbie:  thx .... 32972 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6594.219 FPS
[02:20] <sianis> 34366 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6873.105 FPS
[02:20] <J_Element> no one told me any thing :D
[02:20] <sianis> is it good?
[02:20] <Steinbeck1> or will esd work?
[02:20] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, alsa will let you play two devices at once
[02:21] <Steinbeck1> ahh to programs?
[02:21] <Steinbeck1> two(*
[02:21] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, esd will work for single app running the sound device
[02:21] <paolob> Guys, I found the openoffice2 packages for breeze, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80392
[02:21] <soundray> sianis, it's wonderful. You'll have great fun with tuxracer :)
[02:21] <sianis> i thing it's works fine
[02:21] <Steinbeck1> why is alsa not installed default?
[02:21] <sianis> soundray:  thx i try it! :)
[02:21] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, for the most compatibility
[02:21] <Steinbeck1> gotcha
[02:21] <LathropWells> Steinbeck Alsa is installed by default.
[02:22] <Steinbeck1> just not configured?
[02:22] <sianis> 63661 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12732.101 FPS i think it was good buy , i change from ATI 9600 :)
[02:22] <LathropWells> Steinbeck - it should be. - i had no problems
[02:22] <LathropWells> AC97 sound
[02:22] <Steinbeck1> let me get the error for you real quick
[02:22] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, yeah, its sets up with ESD and OSS by default in config
[02:22] <Steinbeck1> i use soundblaster 24bit live
[02:23] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, eewwww,,, that rings a bell
[02:23] <LathropWells> Steinbeck - Your machine makes me jealous - lol
[02:23] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, I might do a search on the forums for 24bit soundblaster, I have read something about them
[02:23] <Steinbeck1> well dont ask me about the one i was using before:)
[02:24] <topyli> mustard5: esd lets you play multiple sounds at once. that's what sound servers are for! it's another matter that not all apps are esd-aware
[02:24] <Steinbeck1> its running on a 4800x2
[02:24] <J_Element> LathropWells,  i got the script how do i use it ?
[02:24] <Steinbeck1> it says it failed to construct test pipeline for ALSA
[02:24] <mustard5> topyli, ah ok..thanks :)
[02:25] <Steinbeck1> so i dont need alsa?
[02:25] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, personally I would set them both to ALSA regardless
[02:25] <Steinbeck1> ok
[02:25] <LathropWells> J_Elelment - you can right click and set the permissions as Executable or you can type "chmod +x winmac_fstab.sh" in the terminal than execute it.   .sh is important.
[02:26] <topyli> mustard5: so basically, gnome users set up esd and then tweak it for two weeks to get all their games and stuff to work :)
[02:26] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, I actually turn off the sound server in system>>preferences>>sound  as it gives me problems, you might not have the same issue though
[02:27] <ceej> how can i get into ~/.wine using the ubuntu desktop?
[02:27] <ceej> never mind lol
[02:27] <Dany2> can somebody translate me what is on http://accessrunner.sourceforge.net/index.shtml
[02:28] <Dany2> ?
[02:28] <LathropWells> ceej - CTRL+H  will show hidden files in your /home/username  dir
[02:28] <oxigen> deleting file .recently-used in home solved problem with gnome panel crash! :) I like big ubuntu community!
[02:28] <sianis> thanks the help Ubuntu Team
[02:28] <sianis> bye bye
[02:28] <Steinbeck1> the sound is to loud even when i turn the volume down is much as i can
[02:28] <ceej> LathropWells: :)
[02:28] <LathropWells> Take cianis see you soon.
[02:28] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, double click on the sound icon and open up the more advanced configuring tool
[02:28] <LathropWells> ilol i stil canned spell
[02:29] <J_Element> LathropWells, chmod: cannot access `winmac_fstab.sh': No such file or directory
[02:29] <Steinbeck1> ok thats better
[02:30] <nalioth> LathropWells: make sure you are in the same dir as the winmac_fstab
[02:30] <topyli> Steinbeck1: turn down your speaker volume ;)
[02:30] <LathropWells> lol - oops i should of said "sudo chmod +x" - you can right click and use the gui too. either way.
[02:30] <Steinbeck1> yes i just figured that out:)
[02:30] <Dany2> can somebody help me installing accessrunner driver 4 modem adsl usb??
[02:30] <DevinT> Mark Shuttleworth is my fucking hero
[02:31] <Steinbeck1> what do i need to do to get alsa configured?
[02:31] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, I would say its done personally
[02:31] <Steinbeck1> ok good
[02:31] <Steinbeck1> hmm whats a good p2p so i can download music
[02:31] <LathropWells> J_Element - how is it going now?
[02:32] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, well there are a few steps to complete before we do that :)
[02:32] <Steinbeck1> ok
[02:32] <J_Element> not so good
[02:32] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, open up synaptic package manager in System>>Admin>>
[02:32] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, put your user password in
[02:32] <ompaul> DevinT, have you read this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[02:32] <J_Element> so i should type this in the terminal  sudo chmod +x
[02:33] <LathropWells> J_Element - Okay, let me know what you are seeing.
[02:33] <Dany2> can somebody help me installing accessrunner driver 4 modem adsl usb??
[02:33] <J_Element> chmod: too few arguments Try `chmod --help' for more information.
[02:33] <Steinbeck1> ok
[02:33] <mustard5> ubotu: tell Steinbeck1 about synaptic
[02:33] <Steinbeck1> its up
[02:33] <DevinT> ompaul: Yes.
[02:33] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, find the PM from ubotu about synaptic
[02:33] <Steinbeck1> ok
[02:33] <mustard5> ubotu: tell Steinbeck1 about repositories
[02:34] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, read how to add extra repositories
[02:34] <DevinT> ompaul: why do you ask?
[02:34] <Steinbeck1> ok will do
[02:34] <mustard5> ubotu, from the second message from ubotu
[02:34] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, mustard5
[02:34] <mustard5> doh
[02:34] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, when you have them all enabled and working we can start downloading stuff
[02:35] <zion115> HI
[02:35] <ompaul> DevinT, nothing much just the language you used to declare him a hero
[02:35] <sianis> re
[02:35] <zion115> Hey can any1 tell me which debugger is running on ubuntu kde ?
[02:36] <J_Element> LathropWells,  can i talk to u in ur prvt window
[02:36] <sianis> i have an other question
[02:36] <DevinT> ompaul: hrm you're right. i'm sorry about that
[02:36] <J_Element> perhaps u can help me better ?
[02:36] <LathropWells> J_Element - once the file is mad executable you can use it by clicking on it. - Ubuntu puts shortcuts for all of your drives and partitions on the desktop.
[02:36] <sianis> i did a ext2 partition
[02:36] <zion115> any1?
[02:36] <J_Element> yeah but i didnt see the shortcuts
[02:36] <sianis> how can i mount it up with fstab, how all user can be read and write it?
[02:37] <J_Element> it gave me an option to run in terminal
[02:37] <J_Element> and i said yes
[02:37] <LathropWells> J_Element - likely better to stay in channel more people more ideas for a solution.
[02:37] <J_Element> and it didnt show me the drives
[02:38] <ompaul> DevinT, i don't get offended that easily but you could consider signing it
[02:38] <LathropWells> J_Element - hm - well, you can take a peek at what is on the disk the old fashioned way. please use fdisk with care   "sudo fdisk -l" that is l=list
[02:39] <J_Element> root@Jabak:/home/jabak # /dev/hda1 bash: /dev/hda1: Permission denied
[02:40] <ompaul> J_Element, stick sudo in front of it
[02:40] <ompaul> J_Element, stick sudo in front of it  >> sudo fdisk -l <<
[02:40] <bob2> er
[02:40] <mustard5> looks like he is in root already
[02:40] <Steinbeck1> what is adept?
[02:40] <ompaul> ohh
[02:41] <J_Element> it showed me the partitions
[02:41] <J_Element> how do i mount them bro ?
[02:41] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, adept is a package manager for kde I believe
[02:42] <ompaul> adept  This package contains the GUI PM based on the libapt-front API
[02:42] <ompaul>  and KDE libraries. Currently beta version.
[02:42] <ompaul> J_Element, paste the result in paste.ubuntulinux.nl and we can help more
[02:42] <LathropWells> J_Element sudo mount -t VFAT -o ro /dev/hda1 /media/hda1   - peek at the winmac file it will have a few examples
[02:42] <LathropWells> even a few for macintoshes
[02:43] <deFrysk> adept is an overconfigurable package manager
[02:43] <zion115> hello
[02:43] <mustard5> welcome zion115
[02:44] <zion115> im trying to run call of duty multi player works fine but sp says thers a debugger running ???
[02:44] <Steinbeck1> ok im getting an error when adding some lines into the repositories
[02:44] <LathropWells> ompaul - lol - see you in a bit. - can ya bring me a sandwich?
[02:44] <Steinbeck1> can i post it?
[02:44] <nalioth> Steinbeck1: what kind of errors?
[02:44] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, no
[02:44] <nalioth> Steinbeck1: use a pastebin
[02:44] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, use the pastebin
[02:44] <nalioth> !paste
[02:44] <ubotu> from memory, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[02:44] <deFrysk> Steinbeck1, only in pastebin
[02:44] <LathropWells> Steinbeck try http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[02:44] <LathropWells> !paste
[02:45] <zion115> mustard5 you know of a debugger running in background of ubuntu KDE?
[02:45] <mustard5> zion115, no sorry
[02:45] <zion115> ok thnx anyway
[02:45] <mustard5> :)
[02:45] <LathropWells> ubotu tell Steinbeck about flood
[02:46] <LathropWells> lol @ deFrysk
[02:46] <Steinbeck1> ok i used patebin
[02:46] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, show us the URL
[02:46] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, after you submit
[02:47] <deFrysk> Steinbeck1, now give us the url ;)
[02:47] <Steinbeck1> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/428967
[02:47] <LathropWells> my ESP is hindered by a tinfoil hat.
[02:47] <mustard5> thanks
[02:47] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, something radically wrong with your sources.list :)
[02:47] <Steinbeck1> lol
[02:48] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, you seem to have added a url?
[02:48] <pl_ice> hi ya
[02:48] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, ok..lets do this the easy way
[02:48] <Steinbeck1> probally i added all the lines in "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto"
[02:48] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, ok can you open up a terminal?
[02:49] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, its in applications>>accessories
[02:49] <Steinbeck1> yea i got a terminal up
[02:49] <pl_ice> guys, anyone knows how i can check mail from cli ? pop3 ...
[02:49] <mustard5> ok enter this command   sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:50] <Steinbeck1> ok a document popped up
[02:50] <Steinbeck1> sources.list
[02:50] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, it has stuff in it?
[02:50] <LathropWells> Steinbeck i am guessing there is extra white space/linefeed  in your apt sources list  - restore your backed up list and add each and test them one at a time.
[02:50] <Steinbeck1> yes
[02:50] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, ok go to this link in your browser http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325
[02:50] <zion115> hello again
[02:50] <LathropWells> add a line at a time and tst each one singly as you add it.
[02:51] <Steinbeck1> ok
[02:51] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, take the contents of that link and copy it over the top of your old sources.list
[02:51] <Steinbeck1> do i delete the current one?
[02:51] <pl_ice> anyone ? ...
[02:51] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, just the sources.list you see in the box
[02:51] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, yep  paste it over the other completely replacing it
[02:51] <zion115> probably a stupid question but if i run 1024 X 768 is the 1024 the width or the height of my screen?
[02:52] <LathropWells> << - admits to linux wimpdom for using synaptic to manage his apt sources list.
[02:52] <Steinbeck1> ok done
[02:52] <gardin> zion115: width
[02:52] <zion115> thanx
[02:52] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, save an close gedit
[02:52] <gardin> np
[02:53] <Steinbeck1> its worse now
[02:53] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, now type this command in terminal     sudo apt-get update
[02:53] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, you gotta wait for the next step ;)
[02:54] <Steinbeck1> ok its updating
[02:54] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, k
[02:54] <Steinbeck1> sorry
[02:54] <Steinbeck1> im a newb..ha
[02:54] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, close synaptic btw
[02:54] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, as synaptic is a front-end gui for apt-get
[02:54] <pl_ice> guys, anyone knows how i can check mail from cli ? pop3 ...
[02:54] <Steinbeck1> ok i got 2 lines of errors
[02:54] <mustard5> Steinbeck1, so you have to use either on or the other
[02:55] <Steinbeck1> do i need to re do it?
[02:55] <mustard5> lock file?
[02:55] <Steinbeck1> yea
[02:55] <gardin> will ubuntu + gnome work well on a 600Mhz p3 320MB laptop? since i like it's great on my other computer:D