[18:38] <Doow> Hi, I'd like to see if I can add a progress bar in the ubuntu dock to a program, any good tips on where to start?


[19:01] <tomreyn> hi! I'm on a new ryzen 1800x + radeon rx580 build with the hwe-edge kernel on 16.04.2. In general things work very well, but I've got some graphical artifacts which I do not know how to call / describ. in this game, strife (s2 games), when you move the camera to the side of an object, it will have a shadow: http://i.imgur.com/aBTVAgP.png When the camera is on top of the object, this does not happen (or not so much): http://i.imgur.com/EPSOu0z.p
[19:01] <tomreyn> ng
[19:01] <tomreyn> http://i.imgur.com/EPSOu0z.png
[19:02] <tomreyn> this only happens for some objects with glow effects, such as water and fire etc.
[19:05] <tomreyn> here'S a full screen image of the game (end of game screen) where you can also see these artifacts on the way marks on the top left and the rune stone on the right hand side http://i.imgur.com/jW2sKDA.png
[19:06] <tomreyn> this also happens with the default and standard hwe kernels. probanly rather agame specific (I have yet to find this out) or mesa bug.
[19:27] <tjaalton> try ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/updates for a newer mesa
[22:13] <tomreyn> tjaalton: "* WARNING: Do not use this PPA with enabled HWE stack."
[22:13] <tomreyn> i doubt that'd be a good idea then
[22:13] <tomreyn> oh wait that's edgers, sorry
[23:12] <tomreyn> so i tried ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/updates, but no luck. i'll keep it, though, maybe it'll help get fixes faster.


[02:15] <arooni> what to do if i'm trying to SSH into my ubuntu-server and it looks hung
[02:15] <arooni> reboot the vps?
[02:21] <ziyourenxiang> try ssh -v to see what's stuck
[03:38] <JanC> arooni: it might be lacking resources (RAM or CPU or sockets or file handlers or something else); rebootign usually "solves" that but you'd want to investigate afterwards what is causing it
[03:39] <JanC> of course the issue might also be somewhere in between you & the VPS
[04:25] <patdk-lap> or filesystem went readonly


[18:18] <mhcerri> hi, tyhicks! how are you? I'm applying to get my dkms upload rights and I was wondering if I could get your endorsement too. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarceloCerri/DkmsUploadApplication I appreciate any feedback, thanks!
[18:33] <tyhicks> mhcerri: hey mhcerri - I'm doing well! of course, I'll be happy to endorse you
[18:44] <mhcerri> thanks!


[21:31] <ghostcube> hi peoples
[21:33] <ghostcube> what has changed from 8.04 gspca modules to 8.10 modules i have a problem in supporting an guy changed to 8.10 now the logitech chipp isnt working
[21:36] <ghostcube> http://paste.ubuntu.com/135593/  dmesg


[02:14] <cmaloney> Evening
[02:15] <rick_h_> evening
[02:17] <cmaloney> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/youtube-declares-html5-video-ready-for-primetime-makes-it-default/
[02:17] <cmaloney> YAY!
[02:18] <cmaloney> Too bad I bet way too early on my bet with Wolfger
[02:21] <rick_h_> lol
[03:20] <cmaloney> http://www.rushbackstage.com/rushbackstage/collectibles/rush-fly-by-night-barstool.html
[03:21] <cmaloney> http://www.rushbackstage.com/rushbackstage/collectibles/rush-2112-barstool.html
[03:21] <cmaloney> Seriously, if they had the Caress of Steel barstool I might consider it
[03:21] <cmaloney> They have albums 1, 2, and 4


[17:01] <jamespage> o/
[17:01] <gnuoy> o/ (otp)
[17:01] <jamespage> tinwood, it might just be me and you - I think gnuoy and beisner are tied up
[17:01] <icey> o/
[17:01] <gnuoy> tinwood os out
[17:01] <gnuoy> * is
[17:01] <coreycb> o/
[17:02] <jamespage> ok lest start
[17:03] <jamespage> #startmeeting openstack-charms
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jun 22 17:03:00 2016 UTC.  The chair is jamespage. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[17:03] <jamespage> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[17:04] <jamespage> gnuoy move meeting to openstack-meeting channel
[17:04] <jamespage> gnuoy to update testing for multi-release upgrade testing
[17:04] <jamespage> #action  gnuoy move meeting to openstack-meeting channel
[17:04] <meetingology> ACTION: gnuoy move meeting to openstack-meeting channel
[17:04] <beisner> o/
[17:04] <jamespage> not sure on the other - lets wait and see
[17:04] <jamespage> anyway moving on
[17:04] <jamespage> #topic State of Development for next Charm Release
[17:05] <gnuoy> jamespage, sorry, yes. I still need to do both those actions
[17:05] <jamespage> ok so things are still moving forward; we have alot of momentum on the new layered charms atm so I'd like to target getting all layers, interfaces and new charms under git/gerrit by the end of next week
[17:05] <jamespage> #action gnuoy to update testing for multi-release upgrade testing
[17:05] <meetingology> ACTION: gnuoy to update testing for multi-release upgrade testing
[17:05] <gnuoy> SSL is almost ready ;land into the layers
[17:05] <gnuoy> eg Yuor layered charm will soon get SSL support for free!
[17:06] <jamespage> I think that includes charm-aodh, charm-designate, charm-barbican + subordinate + the designate-dns charm as well
[17:06] <gnuoy> yep
[17:06] <gnuoy> Documentation has been updated on enabling HA in layered charms hasn't it? or am I imagining that?
[17:06] <jamespage> also charms from icey and cholcombe: layered ceph-mon should be inbound - do you guys have other layers or interfaces we need to start mvoing?
[17:07] <jamespage> gnuoy, not yet
[17:07] <gnuoy> ok, np
[17:07] <jamespage> gnuoy, I'll do that after we move the guide - just raised the review for that
[17:07] <gnuoy> kk
[17:07] <jamespage> charms.openstack also needs to move over...
[17:07] <jamespage> anything else from anyone on development?
[17:07] <gnuoy> not from me
[17:08] <jamespage> coreycb, we need to get your dfs stuff landed - and the sriov support is also on my review list; then thedac's dnsha stuff
[17:08] <icey> ceph-base will be landing with ceph-mon hopefully
[17:08] <jamespage> busy day tomorrow methings
[17:08] <coreycb> jamespage, yes please thanks
[17:08] <icey> jamespage:  ^
[17:08] <coreycb> jamespage, I hope to have the rest of DFS systemd init on the way soon
[17:09] <jamespage> icey, ok - but I'm going to need you to drive the project-config changes for any new repositories - beisner and I have done most to date but we all need to know how!
[17:09] <icey> ack jamespage
[17:09] <jamespage> #topic Release Bugs
[17:09] <jamespage> #link https://goo.gl/HJjORI
[17:10] <jamespage> think we could all do with some regular triage time
[17:10]  * jamespage tables a motion
[17:10] <jamespage> how about a triage rota? commitment is two hours of triage on your allocated day?
[17:10] <gnuoy> +1
[17:10] <jamespage> that's what we're doing for pkgs now
[17:10] <jamespage> gnuoy, ok I'll work something up
[17:11] <gnuoy> I hate to say it but I think we should track that it's actually happening too
[17:11] <jamespage> #action jamespage to create a new triage rota and chase down participants
[17:11] <meetingology> ACTION: jamespage to create a new triage rota and chase down participants
[17:11] <jamespage> #topic Open Discussion
[17:11] <jamespage> okies - anything else from anyone?
[17:11] <coreycb> jamespage, any update on licensing?
[17:11] <jamespage> coreycb, yes!
[17:11] <jamespage> proceeding on repos where we can:
[17:11] <jamespage> https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:apache-license
[17:11] <jamespage> some easy +2's for landing if folk have cycles
[17:12]  * beisner updated 2 of those bugs as fix-released.  boom.
[17:12] <jamespage> I think I have three non-responders  - I'll chase again
[17:12] <jamespage> bdx is one of them :-)
[17:12] <gnuoy> 16.07 is creeping up, keep that in mind!
[17:12] <coreycb> jamespage, nice, getting there
[17:12] <jamespage> and then impact assess - it maybe that we have to exclude some repositories
[17:12] <jamespage> gnuoy, yah - so I think we have 3.2 weeks left of feature work (to mid July) and then freeze, test release right?
[17:13] <gnuoy> yeah
[17:13] <jamespage> okies - lets pick a date for freeze
[17:13] <jamespage> 14th July
[17:13] <gnuoy> have done
[17:13] <jamespage> ?
[17:13] <gnuoy> it's in the minutes
[17:13]  * gnuoy can't remember
[17:14] <jamespage> ok np
[17:14] <jamespage> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[17:14] <jamespage> +7 days, 1700 UTC
[17:14] <jamespage> #endmeeting
[17:14] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jun 22 17:14:34 2016 UTC.
[17:14] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-06-22-17.03.moin.txt
[17:14] <gnuoy> jamespage, thanks for stepping in at the last minute
[17:14] <beisner> thx jamespage
[17:14] <jamespage> ttfn - yw


[19:53] <mzz> Amaranth: if it's not working things to check include: is seahorse-agent running, is $GPG_AGENT_INFO set in whatever you want to find it, and does its value make sense
[19:54] <MTecknology> mac_v: bug 446582
[19:54] <Amaranth> mzz: maybe it works now, I haven't tried to debsign anything since yesterday
[19:55] <mzz> Amaranth: wild guess would be you using screen and not having GPG_AGENT_INFO set in it (keeping the session open across the logout/login)
[19:55] <Amaranth> mzz: Nope
[19:56] <mzz> aww.
[19:56] <commander_> did they fixed the sound bug?
[19:56] <Amaranth> commander_: WorksForMe(tm)
[19:56] <commander_> well i'll find out as soon as i upgrade
[19:57] <thiebaude> i dont have any problems with the sound
[19:57] <mzz> my karmic install makes sounds when I ask it to, if that's what you mean.
[19:57] <mzz> (I don't know what "the sound bug" is)
[19:57] <mzz> (too much sound?)
[19:58] <joaopinto> commander_, there was no generic sound problem afaik, so it's very unlikely that your problem was fixed
[19:58] <[31d1]_> the bug where your speakers make a 'pop' noise all the time?
[19:58] <mzz> it's looking pretty good, apart from a few new features I'm not sure I like yet.
[19:58] <joaopinto> commander_, btw, have you filed a bug report ?
[19:58] <thiebaude> when ever i log in the voulmn is at 50%
[19:58] <mzz> oh, is the separators in the presence/logout panel indicator being pseudorandom a known bug?
[19:58] <commander_> yep
[19:59] <mac_v> MTecknology: was this working correctly earlier? since when did this start happening
[19:59] <MTecknology> mac_v: I was using 9.04; then gentoo; then 9.10 - 9.10 is when I saw it
[19:59] <MTecknology> mac_v: it happens on a fresh profile too
[20:00] <mac_v> MTecknology: then you should tag it "regression-potential"
[20:00] <blue0488> I need help with the flash player I can watch shows but no pausing or doing full screen
[20:00] <MTecknology> mac_v: done
[20:01] <Amaranth> blue0488: bug 410407
[20:02] <Laney> I thought that was a bug in nspluginwrapper
[20:02] <JoshuaL> anyone else having bug 445747
[20:03] <cwillu_at_work> JoshuaL, login sound or the login-ready sound?
[20:04] <Amaranth> Laney: Nope
[20:04] <JoshuaL> login-ready sound cwillu_at_work
[20:04] <Amaranth> Laney: It happens with 32-bit, 64-bit, nspluginwrapper or not, with a variety of WMs
[20:04] <mac_v> JoshuaL: i dont think the sound theme controls that
[20:04] <Amaranth> Laney: Oh, and it happens in epiphany, firefox, and chromium
[20:04] <Laney> alright I had only heard of it on amd64 before
[20:04] <JoshuaL> mac_v, it did in 9.04
[20:04] <cwillu_at_work> JoshuaL, not familiar with the bug, but I could see that it's more of a design bug than an implementation bug
[20:04] <Laney> I just downloaded the .so from adobe
[20:05] <cwillu_at_work> JoshuaL, i.e., why should the sound scheme of one user affect the entire machine?
[20:05] <mac_v> JoshuaL: things have changed a *lot* in sound
[20:05] <JoshuaL> and i cant find a option elsewhere to turn of the login-screen ready sound
[20:05] <mac_v> JoshuaL: thats another bug
[20:05] <mac_v> ;)
[20:05] <cwillu_at_work> well, the real bug :p
[20:05] <jbwiv> has ext4 reached the level of stability that ext3 has?
[20:05] <Amaranth> Laney: It seems to not happen as often in firefox and epiphany and if you use metacity but other WMs and chromium trigger it easily
[20:05] <gnomefreak> jbwiv: its stable
[20:06] <MTecknology> jbwiv: I've had no issues with it since moving to it over a year ago
[20:06] <mzz> JoshuaL: me neither, but I haven't searched thoroughly yet
[20:06] <jbwiv> so is it recommended over ext3 now?
[20:06] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, yes; the issues with dataloss where handled (and actually affected several other filesystems as well, just not ext3)
[20:06] <[31d1]_> JoshuaL: for some reason login sound is one of the Startup Applications. You can uncheck it
[20:06] <MTecknology> jbwiv: I even didi the upgrade to it remotely
[20:06] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, yes
[20:06] <jbwiv> ok, thanks
[20:06] <gnomefreak> jbwiv: it is default and recommened
[20:06] <cwillu_at_work> MTecknology, btrfs is the new hotness :p
[20:07] <JoshuaL> [31d1]_, i was talking about the login-screen ready, not the login sound itself :)
[20:07]  * mac_v waiting for btrfs too \o/
[20:07] <[31d1]_> yeah, the little drum-roll noise thing, right? that's what im talking about
[20:07] <mac_v> JoshuaL: let me get you the bug #
[20:07] <MTecknology> cwillu_at_work: ya, but butter is full of fat..
[20:07] <cwillu_at_work> MTecknology, it's blazingly fast
[20:07] <Amaranth> cwillu_at_work: also ext3 now has the same "problem"
[20:07] <JoshuaL> ok
[20:07] <cwillu_at_work> and built in raid!
[20:08] <cwillu_at_work> (btrfs, not ext3)
[20:08] <mac_v> JoshuaL: Bug #437429
[20:08] <DopeGhoti> 'invalid'‽
[20:08] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/432620
[20:09] <darthanubis> can we get more testers on this bug^^
[20:09] <darthanubis> please?
[20:09] <mac_v> DopeGhoti: check the bug ;)
[20:10] <JazzplayerL9> I keep having my sound card disappear from the volume controls in gnome...running a VIA pico ITX system.  Anyone know where to look in the logs for what happened?
[20:10] <JoshuaL> mac_v, that is about the login sound, not the login-screen ready
[20:10] <mac_v> hmm...
[20:11] <Sam_Lars> darthanubis: I've never had that happden... is it only for jfs or xfs?
[20:11] <JoshuaL> but i have to go now, thanks so far for the help
[20:11] <JoshuaL> ciao
[20:12] <darthanubis> Sam_Lars, it appears both jfs and XFS
[20:12] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[20:12] <ActionParsnip> does anyone hava a process named psp running at the moment?
[20:12] <darthanubis> welcome back
[20:12] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip, yo
[20:12] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, no
[20:13] <ActionParsnip> a user on launchpad has asked a question stating that a process psp is chewing 100% cpu
[20:13] <darthanubis> ActionParsnip, no
[20:13] <michael_> hey, I'm on Jaunty and I want to try Karmic, I've updated my repositry with apt-get update, and the update manager GUI isn't telling me there's a new dist available, what must I be doing wrong?
[20:13] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, ask him what he installed :)
[20:13] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip, not me
[20:13] <Ian_Corne> update-manager -d michael_
[20:13] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: just upgraded to karmic
[20:13] <michael_> I've done that and it's up to date
[20:13] <Ian_Corne> but if you don't know how to find this out, karmic might not be for you :p
[20:13] <Ian_Corne> ah
[20:13] <darthanubis> michael_, your not reading the Beta page of Ubuntu, and not following the directions there of course
[20:13] <joaopinto> michael_, you should not change your sources, just use update-manager -d
[20:14] <darthanubis> Ian_Corne, BINGO!
[20:14] <joaopinto> and please make sure you understand the BETA tag
[20:14] <IndyGunFreak> any ideas why Empathy has no sound?.. my sound works perfectly otherwise
[20:15] <michael_> I understand the BETA tag, and I attend Ubuntu launches (Manchester) and I'm a PHP developer, and darthanubis, I have read the Beta page of Ubuntu and I've followed the instructions
[20:15] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, that psp is not related to the upgrade
[20:15] <mac_v> michael_: updated the repo as in? added the karmic repo?
[20:15] <darthanubis> michael_, and...?
[20:15] <joaopinto> michael_, so you did run update-manger -d ?
[20:16]  * darthanubis wait for it,,,,,,,,,,,,
[20:16] <michael_> mac_v is on to highlighting my brain cell count, wait for it *checks*
[20:17]  * darthanubis ...............
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: thats what i thought. ive asked him for a package list
[20:17] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, there is no psp binary provided by any package, per the command-not-found output
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: command not found doesnt suggest a package, but there are 17 similar (but it doesnt divulge them)
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: doesnt help its named the same as a handheld console either
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> :(
[20:22] <mzz> ActionParsnip: apt-file doesn't know about psp either, although apparently there's pspp
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> mzz: cheers dude :D thats awesome you did that
[20:24] <mzz> ?
[20:24] <IndyGunFreak> so i take it nobody is using empathy?
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> mzz: just saying thanks
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: I use carrier
[20:25] <IndyGunFreak> Carrier?
[20:25] <IndyGunFreak> never heard of it
[20:25] <mac_v> IndyGunFreak: empathy sounds, havent been added
[20:25] <IndyGunFreak> mac_v, can you add them manually?
[20:25] <mac_v> IndyGunFreak: Bug #437429
[20:26] <mac_v> oops! wrong links
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: its like pidgin but the devs listen to users
[20:26] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[20:26] <mac_v> IndyGunFreak: Bug #400485
[20:26] <IndyGunFreak> link?
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: rather than removing functionality and you having to live with it
[20:26] <IndyGunFreak> i'm not sure why that would be a low priority.. if they want folks to switch to it
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: http://funpidgin.sourceforge.net/
[20:27] <mac_v> IndyGunFreak: low == A cosmetic/usability issue that does not limit the functionality of an application
[20:28] <MTecknology> komputes: excited for class?
[20:28] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: they have icons for the chat protocol as well as resizable text input box
[20:28] <jbeitler> Has anyone gotten VMware 2.0 installed on 9.10?
[20:28] <MTecknology> komputes: sorry, wrong channel
[20:29] <mac_v> MTecknology: ubuntu-classroom has any thing going on? or was this something else :)
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: you can email the devs directly to request deature
[20:30] <joaopinto> IndyGunFreak, there are worse problems with empathy at this time, get into the queue :)
[20:30] <MTecknology> mac_v: packaging is coming up but it's still tbd
[20:35] <darthanubis> join #liferea
[20:37] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/+bug/379371
[20:37] <darthanubis> How can bugs get fixed if they are not even getting assigned?
[20:38] <joaopinto> darthanubis, feel free to help
[20:38] <joaopinto> !bugs
[20:38] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: a few ways but normally someone will assign themselves if they are going to fix it
[20:38] <darthanubis> joaopinto, what do you think I'm trying to do? Just pasting links for fun?
[20:38] <gnomefreak> liferea is in universe as i recall that means anyone can fix it
[20:39] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, "normally" is a strong word, sometimes is more apropriate :P
[20:39] <joaopinto> darthanubis, sorry, was looking for a link on how you could help with bugs
[20:39] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, anyone but that with the actual ability. People try to hard to be snarky. If I could fix it, it'd be fixed.
[20:39] <gnomefreak> joaopinto: i always do and its common practice
[20:39] <darthanubis> joaopinto, I don't need a link capt. I need help from those with the ability
[20:40] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, still, that is not "normal", because an high percentage of the bugs are kept unasiggned
[20:40] <joaopinto> darthanubis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs
[20:40] <darthanubis> are you serious?
[20:40] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: than i would say if you cant fix it at least try to find out what is causing it. if you cant read crash reports than they will get fixed when the maintainer or someone else gets to it :) and im not being snarky
[20:40] <darthanubis> really?
[20:40] <joaopinto> darthanubis, there is lack of manpower, maybe you can read those instructions and figure how to help
[20:40] <Berzerker> how do I format something as NTFS? (the option is grayed out in gparted)
[20:41] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: join #ubuntu-bugs and ask someone to look at it
[20:41] <darthanubis> joaopinto, maybe you can stop assuming I have not?
[20:41] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, I hit a wall, and now am trying to do the best I can at getting more eyes and hands on deck
[20:41] <arand> Berzerker: install eithr ntfs-3g or ntfsprogs, dunno which
[20:41] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, I've done and am doing that, I'm not new to this.
[20:41] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, how hard is carrier to compile from source?
[20:42] <naxa> i've just installed karmic beta and for some mysterious reason all my previously installed, hand-picked ~100 gdm themes won't come up randomly as gdm but i get this ugly nice new login instead... well... is it possible that my hand-picked themes aren't deleted? if yes how can i restore  :) thanks
[20:42] <IndyGunFreak> ohnevermind, it has ubuntu packages
[20:42] <Berzerker> arand, already installed
[20:42] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: this is not the channel for that. giv eme a minute let me see if i can find out real fast what happened but i would start with using a new profile and does it happen on all feeds
[20:42] <IndyGunFreak> well, maybe not
[20:42] <Pici> naxa: The new gdm does not support the same types of themes.
[20:43] <gnomefreak> naxa: gdm was overhauled and gconf is kind of borken atm
[20:43] <mzz> naxa: they're still there, the new gdm just can't use them.
[20:43] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, it does not even start anymore...goes straight to segfault
[20:43] <mzz> naxa: (even if there was ui to change themes it wouldn't be the same kind of theme)
[20:43] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: bug link again please
[20:43] <naxa> Pici, oh i see. it's good to know they're ok.
[20:43] <Berzerker> arand, ah got it, ntfsprogs is it
[20:43] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/+bug/379371
[20:43] <naxa> mzz, thanks
[20:43] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: thanks. try new profile
[20:43] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, u still here?.. i had to steap away for a sec
[20:44] <gnomefreak> i was hoping to start on OO.o but i will play with liferea in a fe wminutes
[20:44] <naxa> mzz, well, so, still, i would like to (automatically) recreate these themes, they look very nice. so is there a way? no problem if not perfect
[20:44] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, I've blown it away and reinstalled, new profile and all
[20:44] <mzz> naxa: I doubt it
[20:45] <naxa> mzz too bad too bad! so can you help me finding the new documentation for writing themes?
[20:45] <naxa> maybe i convert them manually
[20:45] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: jaunty or karmic?
[20:46] <darthanubis> Karmic of course
[20:46] <mzz> naxa: I doubt there is any yet, and I suspect the new ui isn't themable at the same level as the old one was
[20:46] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: of course would assume i know since your bug report was from jaunty.
[20:46] <naxa> mzz, oh too bad... will karmic work with the old one too?
[20:46] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: what version?
[20:47] <naxa> mzz, i mean can i revert to old gdm
[20:47] <darthanubis> oops sorry
[20:47] <naxa> i need those nice themes :)
[20:47] <mzz> naxa: afaik downgrading gdm would be painful at best
[20:47] <naxa> mzz, i see
[20:47]  * gnomefreak forgot to install it after moving profile over
[20:47] <darthanubis> I said of course because I'm in channel Karmic, sorry
[20:47] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, it appears version 1.6
[20:47] <gnomefreak> i was just getting the info from bug report
[20:47] <Lord-Readman> hello
[20:47] <darthanubis> Why 1.6 when the developmental verison is 1.7
[20:47] <Lord-Readman> if i upgrade from 9.04 to the beta
[20:48] <Lord-Readman> will the beta upgrade to the stable when its released?
[20:48] <naxa> maybe i should've read about this before :( the random very nice themes at startup was a point of using ubuntu for me, even if it's hard to beleive maybe :) it was a refreshing point of the day...
[20:48] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: can you run apt-cache policy liferea and just post the line marked installed
[20:48] <naxa> oh i should've read details of karmic better
[20:48] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: because it either didnt make the freeze
[20:48] <naxa> more carefully
[20:48] <naxa> well ok i'll see what can i doo
[20:48] <naxa> o
[20:48] <naxa> thanks, bye!
[20:49] <darthanubis> Installed: 1.6.0-1ubuntu2
[20:50] <Lord-Readman> if i upgrade from 9.04 to the beta, will the beta upgrade to the stable when its released?
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: sup
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: pretty easy
[20:50] <joaopinto> Lord-Readman, yes
[20:50] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: ok lets stick to #ubuntu-bugs
[20:50] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, ok.. i' just started downloading it.. guess i'll see if i run into any probs
[20:50] <gnomefreak> Lord-Readman: yes
[20:50] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, no doubt
[20:50] <Lord-Readman> kk
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: theres a 32bit deb, but 64bit needs to compile. I emailed them to tell them to make one
[20:51] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, where's the 32bit deb?.. i'm using 32bit
[20:51] <IndyGunFreak> only .debs i found on their site, was funpidgin.. which didn't seem to be related to carrier, from the description
[20:52] <grturner> does anyone know what cifs return code -512 means?
[20:52] <jbwiv> //msg nickserv
[20:52] <jbwiv> d#! it
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: hmm seems hard to find: to compile run: sudo apt-get install pidgin-dev
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: that should satisfy build deps
[20:54] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, yeah, thats actually what i'm doing now.
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/funpidgin/funpidgin/funpidgin-2.4.1/funpidgin_2.4.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb?use_mirror=heanet
[20:55] <IndyGunFreak> it seemed to be pretty closely related to pidgin, so i figured i'd install all the dependencies for pidgin
[20:55] <Berzerker> anyone else having trouble downloading add-on's for firefox?
[20:56] <Berzerker> they all stick on "connecting..."
[20:56] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, i downloaded that from their website.. but it doesn'jt look like thats the actual program(or is it...)
[20:56] <IndyGunFreak> why does it have two names, Funpidgin and CarrierIM?
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: i compiled due to 64bit-ness
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: so not sure
[20:57] <IndyGunFreak> ic
[20:57] <IndyGunFreak> i'll probbaly just do that to, once all the dependencies are downloaded
[20:59] <plazia> anyone had problems with their x-fi card not working? seems it's loaded the snd_ctxfi module but no sound. reloaded alsa and I hear the speakers click a little but still no sound.
[21:05] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, the source code i downloaded has no ./configure file
[21:05] <bais> hi koala's friends
[21:05] <bais> :)
[21:09] <Berzerker> anyone else having trouble downloading add-on's for firefox?
[21:09] <Berzerker> anyone else having trouble downloading add-on's for firefox?
[21:09] <Berzerker> eh...sorry
[21:09] <bais> berserker, which version of firefox? and which add-ons ?
[21:10] <bais> I'm using ff 3.0 with addons and 3.5 (shiretoko) with addons
[21:10] <bais> firebug + page speed, no script, adblock, downthemall, showip
[21:10] <Berzerker> I have 3.5, and I think I found out the problem
[21:11] <Berzerker> no that's not it
[21:11] <blue0488> is there any fix to the flash player not seeing the mouse?
[21:12] <Berzerker> there's a ubuntu firefox modifications pack that I think is causing the problem
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: you need to run autogen
[21:13] <plazia> anyone had problems with their x-fi card not working? seems it's loaded the snd_ctxfi module but no sound. reloaded alsa and I hear the speakers click a little but still no sound.
[21:18] <plazia> anyone had trouble mounting their NTFS partitions?
[21:19] <blue0488>  is there any fix to the flash player not seeing the mouse?
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> !ntfs3g | plazia
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> blue0488: compiz cam sometimes make flash clicks not work
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> s/cam/can
[21:22] <plazia> ActionParsnip, yeah the ntfs-3g is what ubuntu uses to mount the volumes/partitions... it worked in 9.04 transparently but now in nautilus when I go to click on mount media... I get a message saying no permission.
[21:23] <blue0488> that is the only way I can get full screen
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> plazia: i'd add an entry in /etc/fstab
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> blue0488: metacity --replace    then try again
[21:23] <plazia> ActionParsnip, thanks matey
[21:24] <Zeikfried> Is anyone running Karmic on an Intel 950 GMA?
[21:24] <naxa> i have just updated to karmiz and i miss the "log out, switch user, change IM state, reboot or shutdown" drop-down menu applet from the top right corner of my desktop... what was it called and is it gone in karmic?
[21:24] <arand> I worry about Bug #445067
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> !anyone | Zeikfried
[21:24] <mzz> naxa: is now called "indicator applet session"
[21:25] <mzz> naxa: (it's a different applet with similar behavior)
[21:25] <Zeikfried> Does* anyone run Karmic with an Intel 950 GMA chipset? Lol.
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> Zeikfried: ask your next question (the real one)
[21:25] <Zeikfried> =O
[21:26] <Zeikfried> Hey Parsnip.
[21:26] <Zeikfried> Didnt notice that was you, haha.
[21:26] <Zeikfried> Well...
[21:26] <mzz> Zeikfried: that's a common enough chipset that the release notes would mention it if it was completely impossible to install karmic on it.
[21:26] <jemark> Zeikfried, I have a Intel 965 GMA X3100
[21:26] <jemark> Zeikfried, with Karmic... and working very well.
[21:26] <Zeikfried> Well, i was running 9.04 and upped it to KDE4.3 last night and had an issue with my desktop completely dissapearing on me.
[21:26] <blue0488> ok metacity --replace worked thanks how do I undo it?
[21:27] <Zeikfried> I was curious if it was caused by not running 9.10.
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> blue0488: compiz --replace
[21:27] <naxa> mzz: thanKs
[21:27] <blue0488> ok cool thnx
[21:27] <naxa> Zeikfried, i have 845G
[21:27] <gh0st_> hello, i was reffered here due to karmic having ext4 by default so more people here might know whats up with my 9.04.
[21:28] <gh0st_> i really need help with my EXT4 drive. it keeps showing no free space :(   fsuck output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/288809/
[21:28] <Zeikfried> Is anyone getting any slowdowns or issues with the Intel chipsets so far?
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> Zeikfried: if you log in as a different user is it the same?
[21:29] <mzz> gh0st_: you're running fsck on /dev/sdb, not on a partition inside /dev/sdb
[21:29] <Zeikfried> Didnt make a new user profile in it.
[21:29] <naxa> my new karmic tends to clear the screen on bootup what previously wasn't cleared when the init writes things like "starting cupsd.... [ OK ]"... is it possible to turn off clearing the screen while booting?
[21:29] <mzz> gh0st_: are you sure that's what you, meant (is this some external drive without a partition table)?
[21:29] <Strogg__> google earth is slow on my eeepc with intel driver
[21:29] <Zeikfried> I downgraded back to 8.10
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> Zeikfried: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4  has a karmic repo too
[21:29] <Zeikfried> See that is what i was curious about.
[21:30] <bais> I'm on 9.04 and I'm working very well with a laptop
[21:30] <Zeikfried> Just didnt know how to put it, haha.
[21:30] <bais> I began with beta
[21:30] <gh0st_> mzz: this was a previous external that all 500gbs are on one partition (EXT4) ive since removed the drive from its case to install permenantly (Sata)
[21:30] <naxa> mzz, i miss the icon of the old applet. can you tell me how was it called and where can i find the datas of the applets? i would like to manually "reset" the icons of the indicator applet to resemble the old one
[21:30] <bais> and now I reach a good stability for working
[21:30] <naxa> mzz, or is it controlled by the iconpack
[21:30] <mzz> gh0st_: and you're sure there's actually no partition table? fdisk -l /dev/sdb gives garbage?
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> bais: get the latest updates
[21:30] <naxa> (sorry for lame questions:))
[21:31] <mzz> naxa: the icon you're getting depends on your presence state. I have no idea where they live.
[21:31] <Berzerker> anyone experiencing slow karmic servers?
[21:31] <gh0st_> fdisk output:                    http://paste.ubuntu.com/288818/
[21:31] <naxa> mzz, ok, thanks. it's just previously there was the "green running to the exit this way man" as the icon
[21:31] <bais> I'm updated, but I will not pass to karmic atm, I must work with my linux :)
[21:31] <mzz> gh0st_: so try fsck on /dev/sdb2, and what's the actual problem again?
[21:32] <naxa> now it's the icon for logout
[21:32] <bais> I'm using karmic on a vbox
[21:32] <naxa> i want it to be the icon for indicator applet
[21:32] <mzz> naxa: no, it depends on your presence status
[21:32] <salty-horse> can anyone confirm/deny this? install python-qt4 and run this: 'python -c "from PyQt4 import QtGui"' -- got an error?
[21:32] <naxa> mzz,  i see, but I'll try and set it not to depend actually
[21:32] <mzz> naxa: try clicking it, then set status -> busy, and watch the icon change.
[21:32] <naxa> mzz, ok
[21:32] <gh0st_> wow, thats the first time it executed correctly, thanks mzz, will post results if theres still issues
[21:33] <naxa> mzz, however i would like it to appear as the running man all the time, just different colors :)
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> !slow | Berzerker
[21:33] <Berzerker> !mirrors
[21:34] <Zeikfried> My next question.
[21:34] <Zeikfried> I am experiencing the mouse cursor stuck in teh middle of fullscreen applications issue, how would i go about fixing this problem.
[21:35] <gh0st_> mzz:    results http://paste.ubuntu.com/288819/         tried mounting again, still no free space
[21:35] <Zeikfried> Mainly during OpenGL and SDL applications.
[21:35] <naxa> i don't know what it makes compiz to run but i have intel 845G and glxgears is OK compiz is not, why is that?
[21:35] <Berzerker> ActionParsnip, how do I physically change the mirrors to use the new ones?
[21:35] <mzz> gh0st_: define "no free space", especially keeping in mind some space is normally reserved for root
[21:35] <naxa> i know that's an awful card but still i can play tux racer and compiz not working i can't understand
[21:36] <mzz> "physically change the mirrors"? :)
[21:36]  * mzz imagines Berzerker breaking into a datacenter
[21:36] <gh0st_> mzz: im missing well over 50gigs of free space. it says the drive is full when its mounted. i cant even add a text file to the drive. however, i know its not full. i checked in gparted
[21:36] <Berzerker> mzz, you know what I mean
[21:36] <Zeikfried> I couldnt get Compiz to run either.
[21:36] <gh0st_> it is a storage drive. NOT a boot drive, or a drive for an OS
[21:36] <joaopinto> gh0st, can you pastebin the message error during mount ?
[21:36] <Zeikfried> Installed both Compiz ad the control panel for it and still no luck.
[21:36]  * mzz might not have been 100% serious
[21:37] <gh0st_> there are no errors mounting
[21:37] <mzz> gh0st_: ok, so what are the numbers that aren't matching up? What does "df -h /dev/sdb2" say (after mounting it, obviously)?
[21:38] <gh0st_>  df -h /dev/sdb2    output    http://paste.ubuntu.com/288821/
[21:39] <ederico> hello, I just upgraded to 9,10 from 9,04 and I'm having audio problems
[21:39] <mzz> gh0st_: if the "used" and "size" numbers are accurate "free" being 0 is just because that space is reserved for the root user
[21:39] <ederico> audio is not working in my browsers, Amarok works, VLC doesn't
[21:39] <Berzerker> mzz, so do you know?
[21:39] <mzz> gh0st_: you can change the amount of reserved space using tune2fs, but I recommend you don't because a very full fs tends to fragment more
[21:39] <mzz> Berzerker: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:40] <Berzerker> mzz, apt still uses the regular ubuntu servers when I do that
[21:40] <void^_> gh0st_: you do realize a disk advertised as 500gb has only around 465gb?
[21:40] <AlanBell> I am seeing the beam process taking a lot of CPU
[21:40] <AlanBell> it is owned by couchdb
[21:41] <AlanBell> beam is part of erlang I think
[21:41] <gh0st_> 13 Gigs reserved for root? im starting to get a little bit over my head. i just want to use my drive again xD i dont plan on writing anything else to it, i just need to edit a txt file on there, but it wont even let mew do that. what is tune2fs? also, is there a way to "defrag" this drive?
[21:41] <mzz> gh0st_: defragmenting wouldn't give you more space.
[21:41] <cj> what would I need to put in my /etc/apt/sources.list in order to pull karmic from http://ubuntu-releases.eecs.wsu.edu/releases/karmic/ ?
[21:41] <AlanBell> if I do sudo /etc/init.d/couchdb stop it still carries on
[21:41] <AlanBell> any idea how to kill it?
[21:41] <cj> AlanBell: sudo pkill -9 couchdb ?
[21:41] <mzz> gh0st_: the amount of reserved space is a percentage of the size of the drive.
[21:41] <Berzerker> mzz, do you have to change every line to the mirror?
[21:42] <mzz> Berzerker: yes
[21:42] <AlanBell> it keeps changing pid
[21:42] <mzz> Berzerker: (you can use fewer lines than it has by default)
[21:42] <AlanBell> or respawning
[21:42] <mzz> AlanBell: respawning then.
[21:42] <mzz> AlanBell: which means you want to figure out what's respawning it and kill that
[21:42] <void^_> gh0st_: you should still be able to edit a file as root.
[21:43] <ederico> is there a way to revert to 9.04 from 9.10?
[21:43] <mzz> gh0st_: what void^_ says is correct, but this really looks like the drive's a bit on the full side, unless (again) the "used" number is not actually accurate.
[21:43] <mzz> ederico: I'm pretty sure that isn't supported
[21:43] <wastrel> gnome-termina
[21:43] <wastrel> l
[21:43] <gh0st_> i cant edit the text file that i need to regardless of sudo etc, and i am the owner of said file, it just keeps saying the drive is to full
[21:43] <plazia> hmmm alsamixer doesn't work but sudo alsamixer does. does that mean the sound device is only accessible to root and if so how do I make it accessible to users?
[21:43] <guntbert> !downgrade | ederico
[21:44] <ederico> thanks, tough luck
[21:44] <arand> gh0st_: why not delete/move something off the drive and try again?
[21:44] <ederico> I'm having trouble with audio, it works in Amarok but not in the browsers and VLC
[21:44] <mzz> plazia: being in the "audio" group might help
[21:44] <plazia> mzz ta mate. so just add my regular user to the audio group. you're a star
[21:44] <gh0st_> ill try copying a cople gbs off it, then deleting what i copied, but my tranfer rate is 1.7 mb/s for some reason :( and its SATA. so im pretty sure somethings up
[21:44] <gh0st_> couple*
[21:45] <mzz> plazia: (there may be a better fix, but I'd expect this to fix it)
[21:45] <gh0st_> make that 1.3mb/s
[21:45] <plazia> would have thought ubuntu would have put the normal user in that group.
[21:45] <plazia> but hey ho.
[21:45] <joaopinto> gh0st, 1.7 mb/s on SATA are you are concerned with disk space ?
[21:45] <mzz> gh0st_: might also want to run smartctl on the drive a bit and see if anything scary shows up.
[21:45] <mzz> gh0st_: and/or look at dmesg.
[21:46] <AlanBell> mzz: thanks, I used ps aux|grep couchdb to figure out all the processes owned by couchdb and killed them one by one. I think the heart process is the respawner, it keeps things going if they stall or stop.
[21:47] <paolob> Hi guys! due to some problem in upgrading, I had to manually remove/reinstall some package, and now I haven't the splash screen during boot. What package provides it?
[21:47] <AlanBell> I guess there is a bug there if /etc/init.d/couchdb stop doesn't actually stop it
[21:47] <arand> paolob: usplash I think...
[21:47] <arand> paolob: oh, ahgn on xsplash now
[21:48] <paolob> arand, xsplash?
[21:48] <arand> paolob: thought this was #ubuntu just then...
[21:48] <njbair> It seems that my Epson printer is no longer detected in Karmic. Is this a known issue?
[21:48] <arand> paolob: yup.
[21:48] <AlanBell> could someone with a handy karmic box try stopping couchdb and check with ps aux|grep couchdb to see if there are left over processes. If it isn't just me I will reproduce on a clean box and file a bug
[21:49] <gh0st_> wow. i cant copy anything over. the speed keeps dropping down to a crawl
[21:49] <gh0st_> like 20kb/s
[21:49] <mzz> gh0st_: recommend you stop copying and check dmesg
[21:50] <gh0st_> recent dmesg:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/288823/
[21:50] <arand> mzz: you think an additional forced fsck might do any good?
[21:51] <mzz> arand: I wouldn't expect that to affect slowness
[21:51] <mzz> gh0st_: anything interesting about sdb higher up in dmesg?
[21:51] <mzz> gh0st_: I'd also run smartctl -a /dev/sdb and look for anything scary
[21:52]  * mzz recently had a drive die without warning and is currently a bit paranoid about that kind of thing
[21:52] <gh0st_> sudo apt-get install smartmontools right?
[21:52] <mzz> yep
[21:54] <gh0st_> ffs. i cant install now. pc is going nuts. nothing is open for installing programs or updates or synaptic btw          error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/288829/
[21:56] <bais> ghost
[21:56] <bais> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[21:56] <bais> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[21:56] <bais> probably you have some program opened that is blocking apt archives
[21:56] <mzz> gh0st_: badness might have happened to the partition or drive /var is on. Was earlier dmesg output actually from the *command* dmesg or did you copy out of /var/log/dmesg?
[21:56] <bais> you must to kill them
[21:57] <gh0st_> yes, thats the error to get the tools to see if theres another error xD i cant believe this, this was a fresh install 2 hours ago
[21:57] <gh0st_> the command dmesg
[21:57] <mzz> gh0st_: is /var on sdb?
[21:57] <gh0st_> i dont understand that
[21:58] <gh0st_> o
[21:58] <gh0st_> yes, sorry
[21:58] <gh0st_> the gears had to turn for a bit
[21:58] <mzz> gh0st_: you said something weird is going on with /dev/sdb1 (the drive you're trying to create a text file on, etc). Is that the same drive as the one /var is on?
[21:58] <mzz> gh0st_: ok, if that partition is full I'm not surprised apt fails
[22:00] <gh0st_> no, /var is on my actual drive "sda"   the storage drive with the issues is only for storage. it has music and movies. it is "sdb"
[22:01] <mzz> odd for the problem to be spreading, unless this is some regular apt client you overlooked, or the drives are on the same controller and somehow affecting each other
[22:01] <mzz> if they *are* on the same controller I'd check if sda is back to normal with the other drive unplugged
[22:02] <gh0st_> im going to try to copy over much smaller files and work my way up to bigger ones until i free at least 3 gb's so we can troubleshoot more accuratly. sound good?
[22:02] <cellofellow> when did Ubuntu become a DVD distro? All the Karmic images here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/beta/ are DVD images.
[22:02] <mzz> well, I'd really want to run smartctl on the drive if it is misbehaving
[22:03] <cellofellow> oops, wrong mirror
[22:03] <gh0st_> thats the plan if i can free up space, maybe that lock will go away, then i can install/run the prog, but if not, i will have to restart and i will be back :)
[22:03] <mzz> gh0st_: the lock's not on sdb, iiuc.
[22:04] <arand> cellofellow: yea, you want releases.ubu...
[22:04] <gh0st_> so a restart or at least log on/off required
[22:06] <void^_> gh0st_: run lsof or fuser on the lockfile, if it doesn't show any processes just rm it
[22:06] <gh0st_> brb, relogging, computer is unusable
[22:07] <njbair> where should I go to get to the bottom of printer issues in karmic? My Epson printer is no longer detected.
[22:09] <ergo> hello
[22:09] <ergo> did anyone here had success using empathy and gg network ?
[22:10] <darkham> now network manager applet works with static connections...
[22:10] <darkham> nm wins!+
[22:10] <gh0st_> back
[22:12] <gh0st_> what was the smartctl command again? (tools are installed)
[22:13] <gh0st_> mzz?
[22:13] <mzz> gh0st_: smartctl -a /dev/sdb (might want to run it on sda too)
[22:14] <mzz> gh0st_: you can pastebin the output, there's an overall status near the top of it
[22:15] <gh0st_> command completed, and i have no idea what any of that means xD (ran on the problem drive)   http://paste.ubuntu.com/288842/
[22:17] <gh0st_> the only thing that jumps out at me is  Error: UNC 240 sectors at LBA = 0x0047f03f = 4714559
[22:19] <solarion> is xorg eating 100% cpu a known problem?
[22:20] <gh0st_> make any sence to you mzz?
[22:20] <arand> solarion: can have many odd causes
[22:21] <solarion> arand: it went away a day or two ago, then returned yesterday evening
[22:21]  * mzz frowns at Multi_Zone_Error_Rate
[22:21] <MrKeuner> hello, is there ubuntu supported java sdk
[22:21] <MrKeuner> for karmic
[22:22] <mzz> gh0st_: I'd "smartctl -t short /dev/sdb" it, wait 3 minutes, and run "smartctl -a /dev/sdb" again
[22:22] <wirechief_> MrKeuner: karmic is not supported, it has not been officially released.
[22:22] <mzz> MrKeuner: apt-get install default-jdk worked, so probably yes
[22:23] <gh0st_> running now
[22:23] <mzz> but what wirechief_ said, obviously
[22:23] <Berzerker> I'm having a problem, I can't download any firefox add-ons, just sticks at connecting.
[22:23] <MrKeuner> mzz, and which is the default jdk? iced tea sun or gjc
[22:23] <mzz> gh0st_: but again, I've recently had a drive die on me, so I'm inclined to jump at ghosts (no pun intended)
[22:24] <mzz> err, that wasn't actually english
[22:24] <gh0st_> xD
[22:24] <mzz> someone help me out here
[22:24] <mzz> MrKeuner: openjdk apparently
[22:24] <gh0st_> try re-installing firefox
[22:26] <mzz> MrKeuner: (you can figure this stuff out for yourself by using packages.ubuntu.com if you don't have karmic installed yet)
[22:26] <gh0st_> waited 3 minutes, executing sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb now
[22:26] <solarion> a-HA
[22:27] <mzz> ah, "jump at ghosts" actually *is* english?
[22:27] <MrKeuner> mzz, thanks
[22:27] <Berzerker> I'm having a problem, I can't download any firefox add-ons, just sticks at connecting.
[22:27] <Dai> so you said, less than 5 minutes ago.
[22:27] <gh0st_> newest result:    http://paste.ubuntu.com/288847/    thanks so much btw mzz
[22:28] <solarion> I'm hitting bug 439138
[22:28] <Dai> Berzerker: did you just update firefox?  restarting that could help.  you may also need to reinstall firefox completely, though i'm not sure, so don't quote me on that
[22:28] <mzz> gh0st_: Completed: read failure
[22:28] <mzz> gh0st_: that's not good :(
[22:29] <Dai> mzz: that and the big FAILING_NOW
[22:29] <gh0st_> dont tell me my drive is pooched i will litterally, not in haha lol computer terms CRY
[22:29] <solarion> unfortunately, the network suckage is unrelated
[22:29] <mzz> solarion: me too, occasionally
[22:29] <Dai> not a good thing to see
[22:29] <mzz> Dai: yeah, that's what made me have him run a selftest
[22:29] <mzz> gh0st_: strongly recommend you copy as much data as possible off that drive asap. You might have to use something like dd_rescue to do this
[22:29] <Dai> gh0st_: my recommendation is that if you can READ from it, get everything off of it as quickly as you can, because that drive is going to platter heaven
[22:30] <solarion> yes
[22:30] <Berzerker> Dai, yeah just restarted it, works now, thanks
[22:30] <gh0st_> :0
[22:30] <solarion> I seocond jumping ship
[22:30] <mzz> gh0st_: don't try anything else repairs-wise right now, just get everything you can off that drive
[22:30] <Dai> Berzerker: np
[22:30] <Berzerker> Dai, ahh, spoke too soon, xmarks isn't downloading
[22:30] <mzz> gh0st_: I'm actually currently using a drive that *was* failing similarly but "got better" after repeated runs of badblocks in destructive mode, but I would be *very* hesitant to trust such a drive with anything important.
[22:30] <Berzerker> Dai, netiher is stumbleupon...
[22:31] <gh0st_> excuse the profanity but FUCK! i have 500gb worth of stuff and only 200gb avail on this drive, brb im getting all important that i can NOW
[22:31] <kavurt> I say "sudo aptitude update" and get this: "Current status: 136 updates [+28], 619 new [-10]." What does "619 new" mean here?
[22:31] <braintorch> Hi. It seems, that 9.10 gnome-applets package does not contain mixer applet anymore. Does anybody know, is it just beta bug, or this applet was completely removed from karmic?
[22:31] <Berzerker> Dai, nope, still not working
[22:31] <Dai> hmm
[22:31] <mzz> gh0st_: might want to copy critical things off now, physically unplug the drive, get a replacement drive, and then copy the rest
[22:32] <solarion> of course, my jittery ssh session and and interrupted music stream don't keep the appleoids from spamming my syslog with invalid query packets
[22:32] <mzz> gh0st_: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html may be of interest if you decide to attempt "repairs" later
[22:34] <solarion> gh0st_: make sure you use "conv=noerror,sync" in your dd command and a block size of 512 (dd if=/dev/<disk> of=<output_file> bs=512 conv=sync,noerror)
[22:34] <solarion> that's the main thing
[22:34] <solarion> if you can, do that twice (two copies) and make one chattr +i (immutable)
[22:34] <mzz> braintorch: we had someone earlier with the same problem. There's a new applet (actually implemented as a notification area icon) that should be on by default and depends on pulse
[22:34] <Dai> solarion: if the drive's 500GB and he only has 200GB available, that's probably not going to work.
[22:35] <mzz> braintorch: so make sure pulse is running properly, and make sure the new applet (gnome-volume-control-applet) is running and you have a notification area for it.
[22:35] <solarion> then you can use e.g. fsck to clean up as much as you can, or something like foremost to find the various files floating around in the soup.
[22:35] <Dai> but normally i would agree
[22:35] <gh0st_> my other drive is filling up as we speak. every episode of mythbusters, every episode of House, Rescue me. im not even getting to the movies yet :(
[22:35] <mzz> solarion: I'd use dd_rescue
[22:35] <braintorch> mzz: yes, and this is a problem, if you want to remove pulseaudio
[22:35] <mzz> braintorch: correct.
[22:35] <solarion> Dai: available space is irrelevant; get a bigger drive now if you need it
[22:35] <solarion> mzz: I don't know of dd rescue
[22:35] <Berzerker-> Dai, still doesn't work....this is really pissing me off
[22:35] <gh0st_> transfer rate between 600 kb/s to 10 mb/s
[22:36] <mzz> braintorch: afaik there's no non-pulseaudio volume control thing available currently, although I suspect it wouldn't be impossible to port (forwardport?) it
[22:36] <Dai> Berzerker-: i dunno what to tell you
[22:36] <mzz> solarion: "apt-cache show ddrescue", it's very similar to dd but with a few tweaks that make it more convenient for this use case.
[22:37] <mzz> solarion: there's also http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html which has the same name but is a different program, and about as convenient for this as you can get
[22:37] <mzz> gh0st_: ^^^ that might be of use once you have a large enough drive available
[22:37] <braintorch> mzz: when I asked about it on #gnome channel somebody tells, that gnome 2.28.0 have a mixer applet, and ubuntu package maintainers just removed it from applets package
[22:38] <mzz> braintorch: I stand corrected. Someone should package that one then.
[22:39] <joaopinto> there is a gnome-volume-control-applet
[22:39] <joaopinto> which is the one used in karmic
[22:39] <gh0st_> thanks mzz, i saw that, im just in panic mode right now, im going to fill my root drive now with everything i can for important stuff, then unplug the drive for later, as i only have 10$ to my name :(
[22:39] <braintorch> orz That pushing users to PA doesn't make me happy
[22:40] <braintorch> joaopinto: yes, but you need pulseaudio to use it
[22:41] <joaopinto> braintorch, right, you are expected to be using it
[22:42] <test34> my logitech wireless headset stopped working with the latest update
[22:42] <skierpage> I used usb-creator in Kubuntu 9.04 to make a live USB of kubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso.  When I reboot with it, I get a syslinux "boot:" prompt.  Should this work?  Any troubleshooting pointers?
[22:43] <braintorch> joaopinto, mzz: thanks. Seems, I'll have to build sound applet manually.  The drive in my mother's system died last week. I still have to rescue her data (backups are massively stale)
[22:45] <mzz> which is why I have those ddrescue links around, I was using them myself yesterday
[22:45] <gh0st_> damn, that sucks. this portable drive of mine get used exclusivley (used to be over a network) for my wife and i to watch movies, shows (no cable) , game together (WoW and Diablo 2) and share music. it was practically the heart of all our entertainment/ our network. this sucks huge.
[22:47] <mzz> gh0st_: it's possible only a few kb are actually unreadable, but you really do need a new drive to recover to. If possible you'd even (temporarily) need twice the size of the current drive, so you can run fsck on a copy.
[22:47] <Berzerker-> test
[22:48] <villewitt> I'm having trouble with my Nvidia Go 7300 (atm using 185.18.36) and would like to know what the differences between Nvidia 96, Nvidia 173 and Nvidia 185 are. Any pointer?
[22:48] <mzz> (one advantage of smaller partitions: you need less extra space for this kind of recovery work)
[22:48] <NinjaPlimsolls> villewitt, get the recommended driver
[22:48] <NinjaPlimsolls> villewitt,  which is probably 185
[22:48] <villewitt> NinjaPlimsolls: I do have the recommended (according to "Hardware Drivers" that is...)
[22:49] <NinjaPlimsolls> villewitt, so what problems are you having?
[22:49] <gh0st_> i planned on getting a TB drive, but not this soon, i was hoping it would hold out a little bit longer till we had the $$'s. fingers crossed that i can at least get the games and shows. i vow to never use ext4 ever again
[22:49] <Wolfcastle> hello
[22:50] <NinjaPlimsolls> hi Wolfcastle
[22:50] <mzz> gh0st_: this is a hardware problem, your filesystem is unrelated
[22:50] <villewitt> Only one monitor online at a time - even when I use TwinView and can see a ~x2 sized screen/desktop
[22:50] <Wolfcastle> So I'm having problems installing the broadcom sta driver
[22:50] <solarion> gh0st_: you should buy a Seagate drive, so that my friends keep their jobs. :)
[22:50] <Wolfcastle> I go to system->hardware controllers
[22:50] <NinjaPlimsolls> villewitt, sorry, I have no experience of dual monitor setups :(
[22:51] <Wolfcastle> select the bcom driver
[22:51] <Wolfcastle> and when entering my password nothing happens
[22:51] <gh0st_> its caused me alot of headaches since ive tried it out, both os wise and using apache etc, everything else is just now caught up to ext4 yet.
[22:51] <villewitt> :p
[22:51] <gh0st_> as for seagate, id love to buy seagate, but there expensive!
[22:52] <solarion> there's maxtor
[22:52] <MCROnline_> villewitt are you using the nvidia X server settings?
[22:52] <solarion> (is just another Seagate brand)
[22:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> villewitt, all I know is the mystical genies that connect drive my 7950GT are working! :P
[22:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> &*
[22:52] <solarion> (note that I've heard lots of complaints about certain Seagate drives; check the reviews)
[22:53] <solarion> I think the only one I've had fail to date is my old lpatop's 160gb drive
[22:54] <mzz> thing is that drives don't live forever, and even if you actually check their health regularly they don't always give you a convenient warning well before data is actually lost
[22:54] <mzz> and I don't think distros do that health check for you by default
[22:54] <villewitt> MCROnline: I have tried different things... One which fails is: sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo X -configure && cp ./xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo reboot...
[22:54] <NinjaPlimsolls> mzz, indeedy, SMART can only predict failures based on previous records
[22:55] <NinjaPlimsolls> it cant predict an impending head crash
[22:55] <villewitt> and sudo nvidia-xconfig && sudo nvidia-settings
[22:55] <mzz> yep, and there seem to be failure modes that aren't quite as catastrophic as a head crash but still can't really be predicted
[22:56] <MCROnline_> villewitt: I noticed a peculiarity on my twinview.  It would only work if i restarted X each time i changed settings
[22:56] <villewitt> Then I get a strange behaviour when I try to use nvidia-settings to set twinview
[22:56] <NinjaPlimsolls> mzz, SMART certainly didn't predict me hotplugging a SATA drive and causing the controller board to short out :P I guess the arc across the molex was an indication eh!? ;)
[22:56] <MCROnline_> villewitt: are you after clone screens or a desktop extension?
[22:57] <villewitt> Extension or 2 separate X servers... not clone
[22:58] <MCROnline_> villewitt:  Silly question, but you did have the screens plugged in 1st before doing it yes?
[22:58] <mzz> NinjaPlimsolls: I tested a failed drive from another family member a while back, and found out my system wouldn't power up even with just the power connector connected to that drive. I'm glad it didn't manage to destroy my psu or anything else.
[22:59]  * mzz assumes it was shorting the power connector and his psu coped by not starting
[22:59] <villewitt> I have actually tried to set up things with first booting with a single monitor (laptop). Then before using nvidia-settings' auto-detect, plug CRT (2. monitor) in
[22:59] <NinjaPlimsolls> probably an earth fault
[22:59] <villewitt> also, I have tried with monitors added from boot...
[23:00] <MCROnline_> villewitt:  No. you must have them plugged in first.  Nvidia binary blob is fussy for some reason (thats how i have to do it on my nvidia laptop to a crt screen and my home pc here with my 24" screen and my projector)
[23:00] <villewitt> hmm - my hardware could have gone bonsai... Will boot into 8.10, 9.04 and debian to see if they can still use two monitors...
[23:01] <MCROnline_> villewitt.: I hope not :)
[23:01] <villewitt> plugged in first... ...meaning before driver init?
[23:01] <NinjaPlimsolls> villewitt, your hardware has been miniaturised and planted in a shallow container? ;)
[23:01] <MCROnline_> villewitt: Before boot
[23:01] <villewitt> k
[23:01] <mzz> certainly an interesting choice of euphemism there
[23:02] <NinjaPlimsolls> my hardware is deciduous
[23:02] <villewitt> I'm coding an OS at the University... But I can't get my second monitor on... There is something rotten happening... damn binary blobs!
[23:03] <MCROnline_> villewitt: oh yes, the eye candy is nice and all, but do anything out of the ordinary and you are toast :)
[23:03] <MCROnline_> villewitt: oh yes.. turn of compiz
[23:03] <mzz> mmm, they're just annoying if you're like me and actually do use the source for debugging purposes occasionally
[23:04] <MCROnline_> villewitt: it acted up with me here with 2 screens (it was ok as clone) but the 2nd screen was zoomed in far too much
[23:04] <villewitt> But it is as if my secondary monitor is never turned on - when I pull VGA out, it says missing connection...
[23:05] <tininek> hi, how can I install grub-pc and autodetect all my operating systems, I have no idea how to do this, and i can not boot any partition now
[23:05] <tininek> is there any option to scan for partitions in grub/pc_
[23:05] <villewitt> MCROnline: Are you telling me that the driver will turn the CRT out completly off do to compiz being on?!?
[23:06] <shadowhywind> Hay all, Just a random question, When ever I move my mouse to a firefox window or even say synaptics text field, My mouse theme will change, any ideas?
[23:06] <MCROnline_> villewitt: no, if you have compiz effects on and two monitors i find if i do what you want (stretch to 2nd screen) it screws with the image
[23:06] <tininek> !grub-pc
[23:06] <TLF> hello
[23:06] <TLF> is audacious broken?
[23:06] <tininek> !grub
[23:06] <tininek> !grub2
[23:07] <MCROnline_> I thought Grub2 wouldnt be installed if you did an upgrade?
[23:07] <tininek> well, i messed up everything MCROnline_
[23:07] <villewitt> oh, fair enough... But first I need the monitor to react... Small details such as strecthed images is just luxury :p Anyway thx, will try one last time with clean configs...
[23:08] <tininek> i just need whatever to be able to boot, now im on a live karmic pendrive
[23:08] <TLF> noone using audacious here?
[23:08] <shadowhywind> TLF: whats your problem with audacious?
[23:08] <tininek> TLF, try decibel
[23:09] <Wolfcastle> is there another way of installing the broadcom driver...besides from using hardware drivers in the menu
[23:09] <TLF> shadowhywind: some (most) mp3 starting at the middle of the song
[23:09] <TLF> in karmic, i mean
[23:09] <TLF> no problem with xine,mplayer,vlc
[23:09] <TLF> etc
[23:10] <shadowhywind> TLF: just to be "correct" you mean audacious2? right?
[23:10] <tininek> can i restore grub from a usb live? it seems it does not know where to install, as the /boot folder may be on the ram, not on the disc
[23:10] <TLF> shadowhywind: that's the only audacious on karmic :)
[23:11] <shadowhywind> TLF: I just tried a handful of files, and didn't have any issues
[23:11] <xorAxAx> hi, how can i adjust the volume of the mic? i dont find the volume controls anymore
[23:12] <mzz> xorAxAx: try system -> preferences -> sound (input tab)
[23:12] <TLF> shadowhywind: weird, then
[23:13] <TLF> shadowhywind: maybe a plugin is having issues with mp3 playing?
[23:13] <TLF> no problem with this decibel player, also
[23:13] <xorAxAx> mzz: no, i dont want to record the mic
[23:13] <MCROnline_> shadowhywind: maybe you got crossfading set up and the slider is too far to the right :)
[23:13] <shadowhywind> TLF: maybe, that or have you tried a different sound plugin
[23:14] <MCROnline_> shadowhywind: sorry, meant for TLF
[23:14] <mzz> xorAxAx: then I don't understand your question
[23:14] <TLF> weird
[23:14] <xorAxAx> mzz: i want to adjust the mic mixer volume
[23:14] <TLF> I deleted the audacious config dir and now it's fine
[23:14] <TLF> lol
[23:14] <xorAxAx> playback volume
[23:14] <TLF> thanks all :)
[23:15] <mzz> xorAxAx: hmm, I'm not actually sure how you're supposed to do that in the pulseaudio world. I'd just use alsamixer from a terminal if I was in a hurry
[23:16] <xorAxAx> mzz: that just gives me the pulseaudio master
[23:16] <xorAxAx> hell, this is broken
[23:16] <xorAxAx> can i get the old mixer app?
[23:16] <xorAxAx> whats the name
[23:16] <mzz> um, sec
[23:17] <mzz> xorAxAx: no pulseaudio master if I run alsamixer here
[23:17] <atrus> xorAxAx: what do you mean the volume of the mic? Do you mean the microphone being replayed on the speakers, or the level at which it's captured?
[23:18] <mzz> xorAxAx: should be able to pass it commandline switches to bypass pulse if you're currently getting pulse, but I can't tell you what they are since I'm not getting pulse.
[23:18] <mzz> atrus: former
[23:18] <beck-and-call> Could use some help migrating an Intel xorg.conf to Catalyst.  Can someone give me a hand for a sec?
[23:18] <atrus> xorAxAx: alsamixer -c<card num, usually 0> bypasses pulseaudio there.
[23:18] <sako> hey guys, are there complaints in here for gtk buttons not  working?
[23:18] <mzz> that's what I was going to try, but just plain "alsamixer" also works here, so I can't check.
[23:19] <shadowhywind> does any one have any ideas, on why my mouse theme would change the moment the mouse enters a firefox window?
[23:19] <skierpage> Has anyone used usb-creator to make a Live USB of a Karmic .iso ?
[23:19] <mzz> sako: nope!
[23:19] <sako> I am having trouble with the "wizards".. I can't click on the Next button since Ubuntu 9.10
[23:19] <mzz> sako: err, actually wait. bug 443004?
[23:19] <TLF> goodbye
[23:19] <sako> I have to hit space bar or enter
[23:19] <sako> yea
[23:19] <xorAxAx> atrus: i want the graphical one
[23:19] <sako> shit
[23:19] <xorAxAx> atrus: whats the name?
[23:19] <mzz> sako: "fix committed" though!
[23:19] <sako> mzz, that's it...
[23:20] <sako> weird?
[23:20] <sako> I just got all the updates
[23:20] <sako> maybe I have to restart?
[23:20] <mzz> sako: "committed" doesn't necessarily mean "available in karmic" right now
[23:20] <mzz> sako: check the bug for details
[23:20] <sako> ah yes
[23:20]  * mzz has no clue about it, it was just in his /lastlog buttons
[23:20] <sako> how did you find it so quick mzz?
[23:20] <atrus> xorAxAx: i suspect it doesn't exist anymore. you could try installing gnome-alsamixer if you want a gui
[23:21] <mzz> sako: searched my irc backlog (over the last 24 hours) for "buttons"
[23:21] <xorAxAx> atrus: thanks
[23:21] <sako> mzz, sick
[23:21] <sako> mzz, what program you use for that?
[23:21] <xorAxAx> next problem: i cannot activate standby in my shutdown menu. `pm-suspend` works, though
[23:21] <mzz> sako: irssi (just type "/lastlog buttons")
[23:21] <sako> sounds like a fun script to write :)
[23:21] <sako> wow
[23:21] <sako> ok time to get back on irssi
[23:22] <sako> brb :)
[23:22] <MCROnline_> sako: I have had issues with eclipse for the last 2 days, but ubotto just explained why :)
[23:22] <sako> MCROnline, same deal? buttons?
[23:23] <villewitt> MCROnline: removed xorg.conf, created a new, default one... looks fine so far. Now in nivdia-settings should I go for twinview or separate x servers first? (Which is more robust/safe)
[23:23] <MCROnline_> sako: well it wont start unless i switch theme to human (it complains about gtk themes if started from command line).  But essentially, yes
[23:23] <mzz> sako: "/lastlog somenick 10" and having a really short attention span is how I keep track of multiple conversations on irc in parallel
[23:24] <MCROnline_> villewitt: go for sel
[23:24] <MCROnline_> oops. seperate x screen for 2 destops
[23:24] <MCROnline_> if it crashes it crashes, i have not found one more robust than the other
[23:26] <villewitt> k, thx... Will try without Xinerama first...
[23:26] <sako> mzz that is awesome
[23:26] <DopeGhoti> mzz: thanks for that from here, too
[23:27] <MCROnline_> villewitt: Xinerama gives all the compiz issues here with 2 screens
[23:27] <villewitt> I turend off compiz this time... Just to see if it makes any diff
[23:28] <villewitt> ~turned
[23:28] <MCROnline_> villewitt: good idea, just to be sure
[23:29] <villewitt> apply, same to X configuration (to merge or not to merge)
[23:29] <villewitt> save...
[23:29] <MCROnline_> villewitt: i always choose not to as i dont trust merges :)
[23:29] <villewitt> I did save&merge
[23:29] <villewitt> :p
[23:30] <MCROnline_> villewitt: lol nvm :)  did you get the two displays up?
[23:30] <villewitt> Nope - havent applied/saved yet...
[23:30] <MCROnline_> villewitt: i will keep my fingers crossed for you :)
[23:30] <villewitt> This might be the disturbing part... How do you then proceed with your "makeing-nvidia-save-it"
[23:31] <scyx> will the iconset still change till the release? some icons seem blurred. but tbh i don't like the whole blackness that's going on in the karmic theme >_>
[23:31] <Berzerker> best music player?
[23:31] <sako> i love th new icons ;)
[23:31] <MCROnline_> villewitt: you have to open nvidia-settings with gksudo or change the icon to have gksudo in the command section to ensure it gets root permissions
[23:31] <sako> minimal and cool
[23:32] <villewitt> Ville does sudo nvidia-settings
[23:33] <sako> how can I see what packages are installed in apt-get
[23:33] <xorAxAx> 00:21:47 < xorAxAx> next problem: i cannot activate standby in my shutdown menu. `pm-suspend` works, though
[23:33] <MCROnline_> villewitt save will work then
[23:33] <xorAxAx> does anyone have an idea?
[23:33] <xorAxAx> how to debug it, check gpp etc.
[23:34] <villewitt> "Preview" has Device0, Device1 and Card0...
[23:34] <villewitt> Cant be correct...
[23:34] <MCROnline_> villewitt:  one card, card0, two x sessions device0 device1
[23:35] <MCROnline_> villewitt: do you have an image?
[23:35] <villewitt> 'driver "nvidia" ' listed 3 times, one in each
[23:35] <villewitt> http://pastebin.com/d1d9e9f72
[23:36] <villewitt> This has not been commited to disc - it's just the merge preview
[23:36] <MCROnline_> villewitt: seems good to me.  Two screens two x servers correct?
[23:37] <villewitt> Without merge: http://pastebin.com/d477e6c1e
[23:37] <villewitt> ...better I guess
[23:37] <scyx> and i'm sorry but the new netbook launcher goes completely against any kind of usability guidelines.. separate favourites/directories panels, way too thin scrollbar and locking up the whole screen every time you launch an app doesn't seem very user-friendly to me =/
[23:38] <MCROnline_> villewitt: looks ok to me :)
[23:39] <villewitt> Having saved I'll try both... Cu in 2 minutes...
[23:39] <MCROnline_> villewitt: good luck!
[23:40] <villewitt> Hope I don't need "luck" :p
[23:40] <MCROnline_> villewitt: so do i
[23:54]  * mzz considers patching indicator-applet-session to hide his username, which doesn't change all that often and he can usually remember


[10:07] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:07] <davem> howdy
[10:08] <terran> hungry
[10:08] <terran> I mean howdy
[10:09] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/615/detail/
[10:09] <czajkowski> terran: davisc ^^^^
[10:17] <terran> oooh
[10:17] <terran> I'll go
[10:18] <czajkowski> terran: do you know how to sign up and register
[10:21] <terran> I was already registered I just can't remember my password
[10:21] <terran> ah remembered it
[10:31] <czajkowski> terran: yay
[10:40] <ebel> yo yo yo
[10:47] <czajkowski> ebel: aloha
[10:54] <czajkowski> terran: davem know anyone looking for a job
[10:55] <davem> what kind?
[10:55] <czajkowski> support enginneers in the UK
[10:57] <terran> link to job description?
[11:00] <czajkowski> terran: see my blog :)
[11:01] <czajkowski> lcajkowski.com
[11:07] <terran> If I think of anyone who might be interested I'll let 'em know
[11:08] <davem> ditto
[11:09] <czajkowski> terran: davem cheers!
[11:12] <czajkowski> found a local pub
[11:12] <czajkowski> 0.99 pence for vodaka 1.20 for vodka and dash of coke
[11:14] <terran> what about pints
[11:15] <czajkowski> 2.25
[11:15] <czajkowski> :D
[11:16] <terran> muy interesante
[11:16] <czajkowski> thats Aldershot for ya
[11:17] <terran> is that where you live?
[11:18] <czajkowski> yup
[11:18] <czajkowski> and I work in Weybridge
[11:18] <czajkowski> so need to buy a car
[11:20] <terran> ooooooh Aldershot has a military museum
[11:26] <ebel> czajkowski: UK is cheeeeeeeeeap :D
[11:26] <ebel> tis deadly
[11:28] <czajkowski> aye tis
[11:28] <czajkowski> terran: it does, also my gym is a military gym
[11:32] <terran> cool!
[11:44] <ebel> czajkowski: sure it's not just a gay gym with lots of lads into army uniforms?
[11:44] <czajkowski> ebel: NO!
[11:44] <czajkowski> do not ruin this for me!
[11:44] <terran> :D
[11:44] <ebel> Have a look at their iPods.  I'm sure she'd be loving the armyness
[11:46] <czajkowski> terran: nope she went to the airshow I think before in Farnborough
[11:47] <terran> I went to the Duxford Battle of Britain one, davisc and I met her there
[11:47] <czajkowski> ah cool
[11:55] <czajkowski> moonpie: ping
[13:17] <czajkowski> anyone going to FOSDEM this year ?
[13:20] <ebel> nope
[13:20] <czajkowski> anyone seen patrick lately
[13:20] <czajkowski> ebel: see the pics from the quiz
[13:20] <czajkowski> look great
[13:20] <ebel> yeah :)
[15:07] <terran> czajkowski: what hotel you staying in in Brussels again? you told me before but I've forgotten
[15:31] <czajkowski> terran: um....
[15:32] <czajkowski> http://www.venere.com/nh-hotels/brussels/hotel-atlanta/
[15:32] <czajkowski> Ta da
[15:38] <terran> hmmm it's pretty far from the venue but close to town...
[15:38] <terran> I presume there'll be another big party in the delirium cafe
[15:42] <czajkowski> terran: aye it's literally a 10 mins walk from there
[15:42] <czajkowski> and around the corner from the bus stop
[19:07] <Belserusk> Hi guys. Does this websites command work for anyone? http://linux-software-news-tutorials.blogspot.com/2011/01/see-program-occupies-more-space-in.html
[20:03] <czajkowski> Team reports folks
[20:22] <tdr112> Day changed to 03 Jan 2011
[20:22] <tdr112> 13:49 < tdr112> would anyone else be up for doing last months team report ? i am mad busy with studying
[20:22] <tdr112> Day changed to 04 Jan 2011
[20:22] <czajkowski> ahhhh
[20:22] <czajkowski> tdr112: shall poke ebel or mike
[20:26] <czajkowski> Anyone going to FOSDEM please add your info to the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fosdem/2011
[21:24] <czajkowski> airurando: ping
[22:06] <airurando> czajkowski: Hi there
[22:06] <czajkowski> airurando: how are things with you ?
[22:06] <czajkowski> long time no chat
[22:07] <airurando> not too bad
[22:07] <airurando> though Christmas with illness in the house
[22:07] <airurando> how goes it with you?
[22:08] <czajkowski> airurando: oh noes? is everyone ok now ?
[22:10] <airurando> All coming around now, slow but sure. Orla was the only one who escaped :)
[22:10] <czajkowski> long xmas so
[22:10] <czajkowski> airurando: can you do the team report this month, tdr112 is caught up with college work ?
[22:12] <airurando> been out of the loop.
[22:12] <airurando> when is it due by?
[22:12] <airurando> is it for December?
[22:13] <czajkowski> it's the december one, we just need to have it done. for record sake
[22:13] <airurando> yeah I'll do it
[22:14] <airurando> When is it needed by?
[22:14] <czajkowski> next week
[22:15] <airurando> Grand, quiet month for ubuntu-ie.
[22:15] <airurando> techie quiz 3rd place
[22:16] <airurando> monthly meeting (missed by me)
[22:16] <airurando> Ububtu-ie podcast crew born.
[22:16] <airurando> anyone have anything else?
[22:17] <czajkowski> we have photos from the quiz
[22:17] <czajkowski> was on the python mailing list
[22:17] <czajkowski> tdr112: got a link tp the pics ?
[22:18] <tdr112> i dont have it handy
[22:19] <airurando> I think vicky lee tweeted it, I'll have a look also.
[22:20] <airurando> BTW happy new year to all.
[22:21] <tdr112> thanks airurando hope you are well
[22:26] <airurando> Hi tdr112
[22:27] <airurando> yep we are all OK, slowly recovering from flu (possibly swine flu)
[22:27] <airurando> found those pub quiz photos
[22:27] <airurando> http://www.flickr.com/photos/whykay/sets/72157625665064748/
[22:29] <tdr112> thats bad stuff
[22:31] <airurando> yip
[22:31] <airurando> santa had great difficulty this year


[03:43] <Hobbsee_> ouch, i found a rather critical bug
[03:46] <ajmitch> oh?
[03:53] <Hobbsee_> running a opengl screensaver, out of the standard kubuntu ones, will hardlock your machine after being left for a while
[03:54] <ajmitch> sounds more like a driver bug
[03:55] <Hawkwind> Or a hardware issue
[03:57] <Hobbsee_> worked on edgy.   i think.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> maybe i never checked that
[03:57] <Hobbsee> that's kinda why i havent filed a bug yet
[03:57] <Hobbsee> oh eys, it *sometimes* locks up
[03:58] <ajmitch> Hawkwind: knowing how Hobbsee treats her hardware, it wouldn't surprise me
[03:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it seems to still live
[03:59] <ajmitch> amazing
[03:59] <ajmitch> sounds sick?
[04:51] <Jucato> ouch
[04:51] <Jucato> :)
[04:52] <Jucato> Hobbsee: poked
[05:06] <Hawkwind> You can't, I ran away
[05:07] <Jucato> lol
[05:07] <Hawkwind> Though I'm sure that stick has magical powers too, so I'm pretty much in a world of trouble regardless
[05:12] <Hobbsee> exactly.
[05:50] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: What feature ?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: the "type / to search" in the kmenu
[05:52] <Hobbsee> and then it just greys out all hte menus that dont have it
[05:54] <Hawkwind> Ah, very nice
[05:55] <Hawkwind> That new kmenu(forget the name) that some SuSe has is superbly nice
[05:56] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: i'm sort of trying to upgrade to 10.2 as well, but havent figured out how yet
[05:56] <Hobbsee> to the rc, that is
[05:56] <Hawkwind> Ah.  I've never once touched SuSe so I can't help ya there
[05:57] <Hawkwind> Probably somewhere in YaSt though
[05:57] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:57] <Hobbsee> that appears to be huge though
[05:57] <Hawkwind> I really should try it out someday just to see
[05:58] <Hawkwind> If I do though, I want the KDE with that new kmenu.  Might actually make me somewhat like KDE a bit :)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> i found a vmware image for 10.1 with kde 3.5.4
[05:58] <Hobbsee> to be honest, i havent seen that much greatness yet
[05:58] <Hawkwind> Yep.  I have that on my harddrive.  Just never installed it
[06:04] <Jucato> hm... greatness... :)
[06:39] <Hobbsee> suse *doesnt* like 256mb of ram
[06:39] <Jucato> hehe
[06:39] <Jucato> on VMWare?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:41] <Hobbsee> and i cnat figure out hwo to change it
[06:42] <Jucato> vmware player?
[06:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: if you can find a .vmx file for the vm image, try to edit it. there's a line there with something like: memsize = "512"
[06:44] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:44] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[06:45] <Hobbsee> thanks Jucato
[06:45] <Jucato> np :)
[06:47] <Hawkwind> You can change the settings in the menus too
[06:47] <Hawkwind> No need to edit the file
[06:48] <Jucato> Hawkwind: on vmware-player?
[06:48] <Jucato> iirc, vmware-player doesn't have a menu for that
[06:49] <Hawkwind> Ah, maybe not in player
[06:49] <Hobbsee> suse doesnt seem to want to update - keeps freezing
[12:38] <Hobbsee> sebas: you around?
[12:39] <kwwii> Hobbsee: sebas is at a meeting and they are probably on a lunch break
[12:39] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ah right.  pity
[12:41] <\sh> moins
[12:42] <Hobbsee> hey \sh
[12:46] <kwwii> hi \sh
[12:49] <Hobbsee> kwwii: feel like fixing guidance-power-manager?  :P
[12:50] <\sh> sudo-ldap integration is quite nice...when it works ;)
[12:50] <kwwii> Hobbsee: I fixed the icons already :p
[12:50] <Hobbsee> haha.  when it works
[12:50] <Hobbsee> kwwii: yes, but now it does not run.  you could fix that too?  :)
[12:50] <kwwii> let me check my schedule ;-)
[12:51] <\sh> hobbsee: actually it works...right now, I'm introducing a new group for doing some build server stuff
[12:51] <kwwii> ohhh, sorry...no time
[12:51] <Hobbsee> \sh: yay!
[12:52] <Hobbsee> that *wasnt* the correct answer :P
[12:52] <\sh> Hobbsee: plan is, to introduce a ready to use ldap server solution for Ubuntu/Kubuntu for enterprise deployment
[12:52] <Hobbsee> \sh: nice :)
[12:53] <imbrandon> \sh: working with the #ubuntu-directory guys ?>
[12:53] <imbrandon> heya kwwii
[12:53] <imbrandon> ok got to run yall, cya in a few hours
[12:53] <\sh> imbrandon: that's an option I have to think about ;) but yes ;)
[01:03] <kwwii> hi imbrandon
[01:03] <kwwii> Hobbsee: that better be one long stick to reach me here in germany :p
[01:04] <Hobbsee> kwwii: it reaches montreal too, so it'll reach you, yes.
[01:04] <Jucato> who's python? :P
[01:04] <kwwii> :-)
[01:04] <Jucato> hi kwwii!
[01:04] <kwwii> howdy Jucato
[01:05] <Jucato> 3 more hours
[01:05] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> yeah, sucky timezones..
[01:06] <Jucato> I'm changing my timezone temporarily for a week :)
[01:06] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:06] <Jucato> hehe
[01:08] <Jucato> looks like sabdfl made another blog post
[01:11] <Jucato> too bad I can't be around for the Fresher's day :(
[01:12] <pip> Hello
[01:13] <pip> i set a folder to be a shared folder ,and running samba server and I can see others's sharing folders in my LAN with Konqueror as well as my sharing folder but I CAN"T open my sharing folder why ?
[01:13] <gnomefreak> on planet?
[01:13] <pip> I just want others in my LAN can use my data as if they use their local data
[01:14] <pip> when I open my sharing folder through Konqueror ,it says "the folder does not exist "
[01:14] <pip> so weird
[01:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes, on planet
[01:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: two, in fact
[01:15] <gnomefreak> reading it
[01:16] <pip> anything settings wrong ?
[01:16] <gnomefreak> has to figure out how to get my hackergotchi like everyone elses :( and a need a better pic
[01:16] <pip> other windows PC can't see my sharing folder,but I can see theirs'
[01:46] <pip> Hobbsee: Hi
[01:46] <Hobbsee> heya pip
[01:46] <pip> Hobbsee: do you use samba ?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> occasionally.
[01:47] <pip> Hobbsee: my konqueror is strange ,I can see other's (windows PC) sharing folders in Konqueror but I can not open my sharing folders
[01:47] <pip> why I think the settings of share folder is right
[01:49] <Hobbsee> no idea.  i think i've seen that though
[02:27] <sebas> Hobbsee: pong
[02:29] <Hobbsee> sebas: heya.  did you know that guidance-power-manager is broken under feisty?  i was hoping that someone would fix ti, and it seems like you wrote the original code
[02:29] <sebas> What does "broken" mean?
[02:29] <sebas> Something with missing icons? (That I know)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:31] <Hobbsee>   File "/usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/guidance-power-manager.py", line 39, in ?
[02:31] <Hobbsee>     from qt import QLabel
[02:31] <Hobbsee> ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initqt)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> sebas: ^
[02:31] <sebas> Interesting.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> sebas: new python-qt4 did that
[02:32] <sebas> What does kcmshell userconfig (for example) say?
[02:32] <sebas> Is it broken in the same way?
[02:32] <sebas> It doesn't look like something specific to powermanager though
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Pythonize constructor -- pid = 7653
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:32] <Hobbsee>   File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/userconfig.py", line 19, in ?
[02:32] <Hobbsee>     from qt import *
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initqt)
[02:32] <Hobbsee> error: ***failed to import module
[02:32] <Hobbsee> and that gives an error anyway, as if it's nto found
[02:32] <Hobbsee> so yes
[02:33] <sebas> Can you start a python shell (simply with "python") and then do "import qt"?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> >>> import qt
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:33] <Hobbsee>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initqt)
[02:33] <Hobbsee> same thing
[02:34] <sebas> Right, I've not really an idea (nor the time right now) to have a look at that
[02:35] <sebas> I'm in the middle of a 4 day meeting
[02:36] <Hobbsee> oh right, sorry :(
[02:36] <Hobbsee> thought it was specific to g-p-m
[02:36] <Hobbsee> sebas: enjoy your meeting :)
[02:36] <sebas> No problem. I wouldn't pong if I really couldn't afford the time (and I'd like to see it fixed as well)
[02:36] <sebas> Hehe, right ... thanks!
[03:14] <Hobbsee> fabo: ping?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> fabo: were you going to push transkode to debian?
[03:52] <allee> heh, kubuntu/mEDUXa for 325000 users: http://dot.kde.org/1164320348/
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian.  today is revu day.
[03:55] <bddebian> Ack..  Hi Hobbsee :-)
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[04:16] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: imbrandon do you know if there some works on kaffeine?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: tonio did for a while
[04:18] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: thanks :), I just found kaffeine-0.8.3 out
[04:19] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: nice!  packaged it yet?  :P
[04:19] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: haven't yet, if tonio_ has no time now, I can do it  :)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> go for it
[04:19] <Hobbsee> i think
[04:20] <freeflying_> :)
[04:25] <fabo> Hobbsee: i must fix an issue with transkode
[04:25] <Hobbsee> fabo: okay.  want me to archive the copy on REVU, you upload it to debian, then sync it across to ubuntu?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> fabo: i dealt with the mess that was icecc-monitor, btw
[04:26] <Hobbsee> fabo: we now sync that straight from debian
[04:26] <fabo> Hobbsee: and i've already done kaffeine
[04:26] <fabo> Hobbsee: k, you can archive the copy on REVU
[04:26] <Hobbsee> oh cool.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> pity freeflying left..
[04:27] <fabo> i've got strigi too pending ... 0.3.10 must be released today
[04:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> going to fix that linda error at the same time, i presume?
[04:27] <fabo> yes :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> may as well have it fixed in both distributions :)
[04:28] <fabo> kwlan 0.5.7 pending also :)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:35] <kwwii> mhb: ping?
[05:09] <mhb> kwwii: hi
[05:13] <mhb> hi everyone else, too
[05:13] <Jucato> hi mhb :)
[05:17] <DaSkreech> hi mhb
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hey mdz
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hey mhb
[05:18] <mdz> morning
[05:18] <Hobbsee> mhb: how well do dist-upgrades work between edgy and feisty?  or dont i want to know?
[05:19] <Jucato> Hobbsee: maybe they could set up a sort of testing day to test dist-upgrades, just for a reference point. Because we get updates in feisty almost daily, it would be hard to say that it works, but tomorrow it doesn't
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true.  however, Riddell isnt around this week
[05:20] <Jucato> yeah. so probably next week
[05:20] <Jucato> dist-upgrade wasn't problematic a few days ago when I upgraded in vmware, btw
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: just checking can't you just mute users giving problems in #ubuntu-classroom
[05:21] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yep, already done that to one
[05:23] <mhb> Hobbsee: I haven't tested it yet, going to start in December (i.e. after Herd CD 1)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ah right
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'm trying to paste questions - it's not easy!
[05:24] <Jucato> I know...
[05:40] <Jucato> getting chaotic again in there...
[05:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yep.  not many decent questions now either
[05:41] <Jucato> I'm having a hard time distinguishing which answers are "authoritative"...
[05:42] <Hobbsee> anyone with a cloak, or who's a dev.
[05:42] <Jucato> heh. I have to do a lot of /whois later when I try to make the transcripts
[05:43] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:54] <mhb> hmm ... can somebody guess how soon the next kubuntu meeting will be?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> nope
[05:55] <Hobbsee> whenever we set one
[05:55] <Hobbsee> mhb: add stuff to the agenda, and we'll have one when riddell gets back, or sometime after
[05:57] <mhb> Hobbsee: it's not that important, I just wanted to try to apply for the Kubuntu membership
[05:57] <Hobbsee> mhb: fun :)
[07:26] <allee> Anyone knows if someone works on merging Tonios digikam/showfoto split from 0.8.2 to 0.9-rc1?
[07:58] <kwwii> re
[07:59] <kwwii> mhb: carlosg was looking for you in #oxygen
[09:01] <Lure> imbrandon: you session is now?
[09:01] <Lure> s/you/your/
[09:43] <fdoving> Jucato: good question :)
[09:43] <fdoving> tvtime. bbl.
[09:44] <Jucato> fdoving: hehe :)
[09:48] <Jucato> heh
[09:48] <Jucato> I just wanted somethings to be out in public, something I can "quote" when people harass me :P
[09:49] <Jucato> lol
[09:49] <jdong> crimsun: sheesh you have a highlight on everything
[09:49] <jdong> alsa
[09:49] <jdong> kernel
[09:49] <jdong> pancakes
[09:49] <Jucato> rofl
[09:50] <crimsun> I'm going to alsa your kernel into a pancake for feisty, yes.
[09:50] <Jucato> hehehe
[09:50] <jdong> Jucato: might wanna stick "DEBIAN_FRONTEND="interactive" dpkg --configure -a" in klippy :)
[09:50] <crimsun> added to ignore list
[09:50] <Jucato> :P
[09:50] <jdong> crimsun: poke :)
[09:51] <DaSkreech> new?
[09:51] <DaSkreech>  the old ones got nuked?
[09:52] <jdong> DaSkreech: the mirror I'm using is giving me http/500
[09:52] <DaSkreech> ask in #ubuntu-xgl if it's temporary
[09:52] <DaSkreech> The server was in iraq or something
[09:55] <nixternal> QUESTION: What should I get my mom for Christmas?
[09:55] <nixternal> lets see you answer that one imbrandon ;)
[09:55] <gnomefreak> nixternal: ubuntu pc
[09:55] <nixternal> did that months ago
[09:55] <Hawkwind> nixternal: The winning lottery ticket
[09:55] <gnomefreak> can never have too many ubuntu pcs :)
[09:55] <nixternal> ya right, the winning lottery ticket is mine
[09:55] <gnomefreak> oh i forgot to check my numbers for sat
[09:55] <Hawkwind> nixternal: I do hope you'd share, atleast with your mom :)
[09:55] <nixternal> as i did too
[09:56] <Jucato> heh :)
[09:56] <nixternal> i will share with KDE and Kubuntu first, mom is second, or third depending on the order
[09:56] <nixternal> shoot, mom is fourth, forgot about me
[09:56] <Jucato> lol
[09:57] <nixternal> actually, kde and kubuntu would be second and third..im definitely first
[09:57] <jdong> nixternal: you want in on my black friday stash? ;-)
[09:57] <jdong> nixternal: I actually have a 32" LCD HDTV I don't really care much for
[09:57] <nixternal> grrr
[09:57] <jdong> getting all the freakin HDMI whatnot cables is more expensive than the TV :)
[09:57] <nixternal> i don't want to hear about black friday ever again
[09:58] <nixternal> black friday was almost black eye friday..to many crazy people with a thump wish
[09:59] <nixternal> the scroll wheels on the new microsoft mice...are by far the greatest invention ever known to man
[10:00] <jdong> nixternal: no way, the saitek eclipse is :)
[10:00] <nixternal> i messed with that..but the smoothness of the new ms mice...omg awesome
[10:01] <nixternal> no more clickity clickity feeling with the scroll wheel..it is smooth...almost feels like it should be broke it is so good
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Jucato: are you really still awake?
[10:03] <Jucato> of course
[10:03] <Jucato> dang, konvi just crashed...
[10:14] <ryanakca> hmm... can you use Qt in python?
[10:14] <Lure> ryanakca: PyQt
[10:14] <ryanakca> but I don't want to end up having learned python but not being able to use it :)
[10:15] <ryanakca> good
[10:15] <ryanakca> Lure: got a link?
[10:15] <ryanakca> nevermind, I'll google it :)
[10:15] <Lure> http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pyqt/
[10:15] <Lure> http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pykde/
[10:16] <ryanakca> thanks
[10:19] <ryanakca> The cost of a commercial PyQt license for a single developer is 350 (UK Pounds Sterling).
[10:19] <ryanakca> @.@
[10:19] <ryanakca> Erm... I take it that doesn't apply to open source developpers?
[10:27] <Lure> ryanakca: yep - free for opensource
[10:27] <Lure> ryanakca: same as qt
[10:30] <ryanakca> phew
[10:30] <ryanakca> that comes out to about 800$ CAD, more than I make in a year...
[10:41] <lotusleaf> Hi, I hope this is the correct place to ask this, I tried #ubuntu-motu several days ago but received no response. When I try to install "kdar" in Kubuntu Edgy, I receive the following message: "kdar:  Depends: libdar3c2a  but it is not installable" I noticed on the Ubuntu Forums someone else posted about this previously. Are there any plans for libdar3c2a to be available in Edgy? Thanks for reading
[11:01] <ryanakca> lotusleaf: maybe ask in #kubuntu ?
[11:01] <ryanakca> nevermind :)
[11:02] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: thx, I think I asked there, too but received no response
[11:02] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: actually, yes, I did several times for an hour or two
[11:02] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: but with no response ;) So this is my final attempt
[11:02] <ryanakca> lotusleaf: why not just package it yourself? and is kdar from a 3rd party repo? or is it in main/universe/multiverse
[11:03] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: I believe kdar is in universe, I think.
[11:03] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: well, I've thought of that, but this package was in dapper, and it's a pretty important one so I was curious why it wasn't in Edgy
[11:04] <ryanakca> lotusleaf: odd, I would file a bug against it in launchpad...
[11:04] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: thanks, I'll look into that =)
[11:05] <ryanakca> libdar64-4 and libdar-dev are available in the repos...
[11:05] <ryanakca> but that's probably not the same thing as libdar3c2a...
[11:05] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: yup & nope libdar has a different version for libdar64 :) but thx for checking
[11:06] <ryanakca> ah
[11:11] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: would I file this bug under a new product "kdar" or "libdar3c2a" ?
[11:11] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: it would be my first time on launchpad ;)
[11:12] <ryanakca> oh... I think it would be kdar
[11:12] <lotusleaf> k thx
[11:12] <lotusleaf> :)
[11:12] <ryanakca> dunno though
[11:14] <allee> lotusleaf: I assume that kdar just needs a rebuild.  c2a reminds on an old migration in debian.
[11:14] <lotusleaf> allee: thanks, so should I hold off posting to launchpad?
[11:14] <allee> lotusleaf: no
[11:14] <lotusleaf> allee: ok, thanks =)
[11:16] <allee> but if you're insterested in a quick&dirty solution:  sudo -i apt-get build-dep kdar; fakeroot apt-get -b source kdar; sudo dpkg -i kdar*.deb
[11:18] <fdoving> nite all.
[11:19] <allee> fdoving: nite
[11:19] <lotusleaf> allee: thx & gnite
[11:19] <lotusleaf> I get the message "
[11:19] <lotusleaf> "KDar does not use Malone as its bug tracker." on launchpad
[11:21] <lotusleaf> ryanakca: should I select "Bugs are tracked in Malone" for this new product?
[11:22] <allee> lotusleaf: you used the wrong links.   But I just saw it's already reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdar/+bug/62699
[11:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62699 in kdar "[edgy]  wrong dependencies in kdar" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:22] <allee> lotusleaf: feel free to add a comment and ask when it get's fixed in edgy ;)
[11:22] <lotusleaf> allee: oh, thanks very much =) ok, so I made kdar as product, did I make mistake and need to remove it?
[11:23] <lotusleaf> https://launchpad.net/products/kdar/
[11:23] <allee> lotusleaf: if you can yes ;)
[11:23] <lotusleaf> thx :)
[11:23] <allee> lotusleaf: you need to use product ubuntu then pkgs kdar
[11:24] <lotusleaf> allee: =) thx
[11:24] <allee> lotusleaf: lauchpad can be a monster, I know ;)
[11:24] <lotusleaf> allee: hehe, it's not bad, just my first time
[11:33] <lotusleaf> ok, I confirmed the issue thanks again ryanakca and allee
[11:47] <ryanakca> np lotusleaf
[11:47] <lotusleaf> :)
[12:12] <lotusleaf> ah, ha! it turns out I was correct in making https://launchpad.net/products/kdar after all
[12:13] <DaSkreech> Congrats
[12:13] <lotusleaf> now to find others to help confirm bug 62699 ;)
[12:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62699 in kdar "[edgy]  wrong dependencies in kdar" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62699
[12:14] <allee> lotusleaf: why was it right to create kdar product?


[08:12] <ara> good morning!
[09:06] <ara> Hello!
[09:07] <ara> There is a verification pending for 10.04.2 that requires a installation of the DVD to test the backported maverick kernel:
[09:07] <ara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-installer/+bug/607657
[09:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 607657 in debian-installer (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "Lucid point release installer must support LTS backported Kernels (affects: 2) (heat: 28)" [High,Fix committed]
[09:08] <ara> Is there anyone with a spare machine who could test this fix, please?
[11:25] <ara> hey jibel
[14:16] <jibel> Good afternoon ara!
[14:17] <ara> hey jibel, how are you doing?
[14:17] <jibel> ara, I'm good, what about you ?
[14:18] <ara> jibel, good, good thanks :)
[14:24]  * fader sits on iso.qa.ubuntu.com hitting F5 every 30s waiting for Alpha 2 testing to start.
[14:24] <fader> :)
[14:43] <ara> fader, :)
[14:43]  * ara needs to remember to bring her spare mini9 to the office tomorrow to help with some of the i386 testing
[14:44] <fader> ara: What office are you in?
[14:44] <davmor2> ara: you at millbank?
[14:45] <ara> no, no, my shared office
[14:46]  * fader thinks that is secret code for "lying in a hammock somewhere warm and sunny".
[14:47] <davmor2> fader: no it's a shared office so that would be lying in one of many hammocks somewhere warm and sunny
[14:54] <fader> davmor2: You seem to know an awful lot about this "office"... are you there too?!
[14:55] <davmor2> fader: no just reading between the lines, after seeing that photo of you there with the drink in the pineapple shell
[14:55] <fader> ara promised she wouldn't post those pictures!
[14:56] <davmor2> fader: But then you promised not to mention the office so you broke your promise first :P
[14:56] <fader> Hehe
[17:21] <bdmurray> jibel: Could we talk about my yelp test?
[17:21] <bdmurray> https://pastebin.canonical.com/42598/
[19:28]  * CensoredBiscuit is away: Oh baby, theres a shark in the water
[20:39] <jibel> bdmurray, Hello!
[20:39] <bdmurray> jibel: hi
[20:40] <jibel> bdmurray, how can I help with yelp ?
[20:40] <bdmurray> jibel: I've submitted a merge proposal now that talks about some of it
[20:40] <bdmurray> jibel: search doesn't work right now afaik
[20:40] <bdmurray> jibel: so one test is disabled and one fails
[20:41] <jibel> bdmurray, there is a merge proposal for mago and another for mago-testsuite, that's the same ?
[20:42] <bdmurray> jibel: right I mistakenly proposed it for merging with mago and fixed it
[20:44] <jibel> bdmurray, marjo likes tests that fails. Can you submit bug reports and tag them with mago. If it's a not a bug with the application but with ldtp not finding some component, then file it against ldtp.
[20:46] <jibel> bdmurray, if you think that the test is good but fails because the app is broken, that's fine. I'll reenable it.
[20:46] <bdmurray> jibel: should the bug be referenced in the test?
[20:46] <jibel> bdmurray, ideally yes.
[20:47] <jibel> even in the name of the test something like test_NameOfTheTest_LPnnnnnn():
[20:47] <jibel> this is the convention used in the qrt.
[20:48] <bdmurray> jibel: well the test should normally pass - it seems that yelp changed significantly since Dallas and now search is broken / missing
[20:48] <bdmurray> jibel: so its not a test for a bug but a test that is broken because of a bug
[20:50] <bdmurray> jibel: if that distinction seems worth while
[20:50] <jibel> bdmurray, apparently its a missing feature, when you run from the console and do a search, it displays a FIXME message.
[20:50] <bdmurray> jibel: right I thought I noted that in the mp
[20:52] <bdmurray> jibel: its bug 710901 if you want to confirm it
[20:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 710901 in yelp (Ubuntu) "search not implemented (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/710901
[20:54] <jibel> bdmurray, thanks. I'll merge as it is, don't bother about the name of the test. I'll add the bugnumber in comment.
[20:54] <bdmurray> jibel: and the other test is contingent on search returning something
[20:57] <bdmurray> jibel: oh and actually I'm pretty sure the disabled test is for bug 673355 (its hard to tell since I can't search)
[20:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 673355 in yelp (Ubuntu) "yelp crashes with Yelp:ERROR:yelp-document.c:275:yelp_document_cancel_page: assertion failed: (document != NULL && YELP_IS_DOCUMENT (document)) (affects: 1) (heat: 42)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673355
[20:59] <jibel> bdmurray, the new version of yelp is much faster. I can't get a 'loading ..' state when following links.
[21:01] <bdmurray> jibel: oh, hmm.  I guess that would only apply to < natty so maybe we should just remove it?
[21:02] <jibel> bdmurray, yes, I think so. they rewrote the application apparently.
[21:03] <bdmurray> jibel: yeah, not a good intro to desktop testing
[21:04] <jibel> bdmurray, heh, I didn't know that there was a good intro ;-)
[21:04] <bdmurray> jibel: well, that makes one wonder about the return on investment
[21:05] <jibel> bdmurray, we'll draw the conclusions at uds-o
[21:07] <bdmurray> jibel: ah, that's good to know