[11:56] <kps> after installing ubuntu mate pc still booting automatically to Windows 10
[11:57] <Akuli> kps, are you the same kps that was here yesterday?
[11:57] <Akuli> and you're sure you've disabled fast boot in windows 10?
[11:58] <kps> yes i'm that guy who contacted here yesterday also.
[11:58] <kps> yes fast startup already disabled
[11:58] <Akuli> if your computer is new maybe there's a secure boot thing in the bios?
[11:59] <Akuli> you need to disable that because grub and ubuntu are not verified by microsoft
[11:59] <kps> bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi
[11:59] <kps> ^^also didn't work
[12:00] <kps> how can i disable secure boot ?
[12:00] <Akuli> check if your secure boot is turned on... but if it has worked before i don't think thats the problem
[12:00] <Akuli> when your computer boots hit a key to get to its settings
[12:00] <Akuli> usually its esc or f2 or something
[12:00] <kps> then
[12:00] <kps> mine f2
[12:00] <Akuli> find the secure boot there and disable it
[12:01] <alkisg> kps: have you booted with a live cd now?
[12:01] <Akuli> i need to go
[12:01] <kps> i can biit from live usb stick if it can help
[12:02] <alkisg> OK try what Akuli said, if it doesn't help, we'll see later for the live method
[12:03] <kps>  i can  boot from live usb stick if it can help
[12:04] <kps> how can i post pictures here
[12:04] <kps> just want to show that there are not any option tjere like that
[12:05] <alkisg> Google for "paste image", then upload the image somewhere, finally paste the url here
[12:05] <alkisg> E.g. http://ctrlv.in/
[12:05] <alkisg> bbl...
[12:09] <kps> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5keDEiRA-GnSzFOVjBTVEJhOWM
[12:10] <kps> here are three pics showing things under - advanced,boot,security boit menus
 are you there ?
[12:18] <kps> alkis georgopolous /
[12:21] <ouroumov_> can you access GRUB kps ? (holding shift or Esc while booting)
[12:21] <kps> yes
[12:21] <ouroumov_> And you have the Ubuntu Option there?
[12:21] <kps> with live usb stick ^
[12:21] <ouroumov_> hm
[12:21] <kps> without live usb nothing comes there
[12:22] <ouroumov_> can you run the command "lsblk" in a terminal and paste the output to pastebin.com then give the link?
[12:23] <ouroumov_> (In the live usb)
[12:25] <kps> wait
[12:33] <kps> http://pastebin.com/dn9VfuLL
[12:33] <kps> ouromov_   here is that file
[12:34] <kps> btw i don't know how to use pastebin so if something is wrong i did please bear with me then
[12:35] <ouroumov_> No it's ok, however lsblk from the live does not quite give the information I wanted
[12:35] <kps> so what should I do now
[12:37] <ouroumov_> There should be an "Installation Help" section somewhere in the Welcome splash screen live version
[12:37] <ouroumov_> With something about "boot repair" and some instructions
[12:38] <kps> okay
[13:07] <kps> hey guys after using boot repair to bring the grub for loading ubuntu from hdd now only ubuntu is showing  to be one option for os
[13:07] <kps> Windows 10 is not there to be selected   please please help me now
[13:12] <kps> is anyone here to help me
[13:16] <kps> hey where you all are please help here
[13:16] <ouroumov_> hey
[13:17] <kps> please buddy help me
[13:17] <ouroumov_> You don't have a W10 boot option when you go into the GRUB?
[13:17] <kps> no
[13:17] <kps> it's just showing ubuntu and other two options like advanced or something else
[13:17] <ouroumov_> That shouldn't happen, did you use the fix recommended by bootrepair?
[13:18] <kps> yes
[13:18] <kps> i choosen sda3 which was the partition in which I installed  ubuntu
[13:18] <ouroumov_> You're logged into Ubuntu from your disk or from your USB right now?
[13:19] <kps> from hdd
[13:19] <ouroumov_> open a terminal and type "sudo update-grub"
[13:19] <kps> and it's showing C partition having windows files
[13:21] <kps> after that?
[13:21] <kps> it's showing windows 10 in sda1 and again found Windows 10 in sda2
[13:21] <ouroumov_> reboot, see if it fixed it
[13:23] <kps> yes it has detected Windows 10 but showing 2 Windows  that is sda1 and sda2
[13:23] <kps> so which should i choose to load win10
[13:24] <ouroumov_> I don't know. One of the option is probably the recovery. Try the first option, then the other
[13:25] <kps> okay I'm trying  by the way is there a way to delete one of them?
[13:25] <ouroumov_> Yes, but don't ask me how, maybe ask the forums
[13:25] <kps> deleting the option  i mean
[13:25] <kps> okay
[13:25] <ouroumov_> We have a nice community @ https://ubuntu-mate.community/
[13:26] <kps> btw thanks alot
[13:26] <kps> thank you very much
[13:26] <ouroumov_> yw
[13:37] <Tintomatic> I upgraded my laptop with Intel graphice from 14.04 to 16.04, and now Compiz is very broken (window trails and other problems).   Actually there are a few useful things I find useful.  Are you suggewsting that Compiz is no longer adequatly supported?
[14:07] <swift110> I love wobbly windows
[14:24] <alkisg> Tintomatic: google for "disable sna"
[14:24] <alkisg> It might help with the glitches
[14:27] <Tintomatic> thanks! will try it
[14:42] <Guest87346> Hello, I have wifi problems in my clean install of Ubuntu mate 16.10 i also tried Xubuntu 16.04. Same there. Its very unstable and I only get like 1 of 5 bars connection. Even tho the wifi stand right in front of the laptop
[14:54] <ouroumov_> hi Guest87346
[14:55] <ouroumov_> Guest87346, standard troubleshooting procedure is lshw -C network --> get model of NIC and driver, then google with "Ubuntu" prefix
[14:58] <hog> hey anyone of you know viperfx like equalizer for ubuntu ?
[15:09] <swift110> hey all
[15:27] <APoliTech> Just a heads up about the magnet link for 16.10 alfa 2. if you use the magnet link you will get 15.10
[15:44] <ouroumov_> APoliTech, can you post that on the Forum? I think @lah7's the one handling the links
[15:44] <ouroumov_> He's not on IRC afaik
[16:03] <ali1234> flexiondotorg: is the official raspberry pi 2 server image made with your flavour maker?
[16:04] <ali1234> this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/16.04/release/ubuntu-16.04-preinstalled-server-armhf+raspi2.img.xz
[16:04] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, No. But I am planning to get my stuff integrated into the official stuff.
[16:04] <ali1234> okay. does the flavour maker support device tree overlays?
[16:05] <ali1234> because the official image doesn't
[16:11] <Codfection> hello
[16:11] <Codfection> just wanna ask.. for programming.. the tools are same as ubuntu (unity) or different?
[16:11] <Codfection> as it is handled by community
[16:16] <n0de01> Hi! Does anyone having freezing issues while using eclipse on Ubuntu Mate Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS ?
[16:20] <alkisg> Codfection: the same
[16:20] <Akuli> eclipse is supposed to freeze :D
[16:20] <Akuli> i mean... its eclipse
[16:20] <Codfection> really?
[16:20] <Akuli> not really
[16:20] <Codfection> there is bug in ubuntu mate ? Akuli
[16:21] <Akuli> Codfection, its 16.04, i'm not surprised that its buggy
[16:21] <Akuli> if its buggy
[16:24] <Codfection> Akuli, u said eclipse is supposed to lag o
[16:24] <Codfection> on ubuntu mate
[16:24] <Codfection> thats why I asked
[16:24] <Akuli> not really :)
[16:24] <Codfection> only steam is not working for me
[16:24] <Akuli> i've never actually used it because i've heard its slow
[16:24] <Akuli> also, i'm happy with geany
[16:25] <n0de01> Sometimes there's even seems to be bug while installing system software updates from Software updater utility
[16:25] <Akuli> Codfection, you probably want to type steam to the terminal, then copy-paste the errors  you get to google
[16:26] <Codfection> I hate ubuntu
[16:26] <Codfection> full of bugs
[16:26] <Codfection> :(
[16:26] <Codfection> love mate desktop thou
[16:27] <Codfection> I have tried using ubuntu
[16:27] <Codfection> on vm
[16:27] <Codfection> it lags
[16:28] <Codfection> ubuntu mate works fine :P
[16:29] <Codfection> guys wanna ask u.. is i5 laptop enough or do I need i7 laptop? for vm
[16:33] <Akuli> Codfection, what is that in megaherzes?
[16:35] <Codfection> sorry?
[16:37] <Akuli> for example this processor is 2x2.93MHz
[16:37] <Akuli> what are your processors you're talking about, and how much ram do the computers have?
[16:45] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, Yes, the Flavour Maker support devicetrees
[16:47] <ali1234> okay thanks
[18:47] <ken_> remove an application in linux terminal
[18:47] <ken_> how to do that
[18:49] <ken_>  how remove an application in linux terminal
[18:50] <ouroumov> sudo apt remove <package_name>
[18:50] <DarkPsydeLord> depending on what exactly you want to remove
[18:51] <ken_> libre office
[18:52] <ken_> Building dependency tree
[18:52] <ken_> Reading state information... Done
[18:52] <ken_> E: Unable to locate package libreOffice
[18:52] <DarkPsydeLord> then sudo apt-get remove --purge libreoffice
[18:52] <DarkPsydeLord> should work
[18:54] <ken_> libreoffice is still there
[18:57] <ouroumov> ken_, there's no caps in libreoffice
[18:58] <ken_> yes
[18:58] <ouroumov> You used one in your earlier command
 E: Unable to locate package libreOffice
 E: Unable to locate package libreOffice
[19:01] <Akuli> sudo apt-get purge libreoffice; sudo apt-get autoremove --purge; sudo apt-get autoclean
[19:01] <Akuli> and its done
[19:01] <ken_> Reading package lists... Done
[19:01] <ken_> Building dependency tree
[19:01] <ken_> Reading state information... Done
[19:01] <ken_> E: Unable to locate package libreOffice
[19:02] <ouroumov> You still have the Upper Case "O" ken_
[19:02] <ouroumov> Ubuntu is case sensitive, alright?
[19:02] <ouroumov> ls != Ls
[19:03] <ken_> ok
[19:04] <DarkPsydeLord> maybe use everything in one line
[19:04] <DarkPsydeLord> sudo apt-get remove --purge libreoffice && sudo apt-get autoremove
[19:05] <ken_> do] password for ken:
[19:05] <ken_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[19:05] <ken_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[19:06] <Akuli> ken_, you have another terminal open with apt-get running
[19:06] <ouroumov> You probably have the GUI software updater or something like that (synaptic?) with a lock on the ring
[19:07] <Akuli> is he just trolling or did he really write libreOffice twice?
[19:07] <ken_> no
[19:07] <ouroumov> He's new
[19:08] <DarkPsydeLord> well sometimes you cant see those mistakes specially after several hours of coding or reading
[19:08] <DarkPsydeLord> or baking specially that last one
[19:09] <ken_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:09] <ken_> Reading package lists... Done
[19:09] <ken_> Building dependency tree
[19:09] <ken_> Reading state information... Done
[19:09] <ken_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:14] <DarkPsydeLord> are you sure you still have libre office installed?
[19:14] <DarkPsydeLord> please run dpkg --get-selections | grep libreoffice
[19:16] <ken_> yes
[20:42] <john> anyone running dev version?
[20:47] <Guest55167> hello?
[20:48] <Guest55167> is there a special developmental irc?
[21:00] <mate|86737> any dev people online?
[21:02] <mate|86737> is upgrading dev ver via synaptic advisable? or is it preferable to use apt-get upgrade or software boutique or what
[21:02] <mate|86737> they each have very different results, and I'd like to not break packages if possible
[21:05] <Sebastien> mate|86737, it's the same channel, just hang out here, and be idle
[21:05] <Sebastien> someone will help you maybe
[21:05] <mate|86737> okay, cool. thanks
[21:05] <Sebastien> i would prefer to use sudo apt-get update then u pgrade
[21:05] <Sebastien> i would prefer to use sudo apt-get update then upgrade
[21:05] <mate|86737> usually I would
[21:05] <mate|86737> but there are packages being kept back
[21:05] <Sebastien> why wouldn't you this time?
[21:06] <Sebastien> ok
[21:06] <Sebastien> remove them ?
[21:06] <Sebastien> replace them, or update them
[21:06] <mate|86737> well there are also a few more changes in alpha 2
[21:07] <mate|86737> such as cheese being reintroduced
[21:08] <mate|86737> it's been a while since i've done testing
[21:10] <mate|86737> i guess i'll just use synaptic
[22:37] <ubuntu-mate> Hello
[22:38] <ouroumov> hi ubuntu-mate
[22:38] <ubuntu-mate> Anyone are be there?
[22:38] <ubuntu-mate> Hi!
[22:38] <ouroumov> ^^
[22:39] <ubuntu-mate> My computer can't find OS on HD
[22:39] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, you're booted in the live session after having performed the installation?
[22:40] <ubuntu-mate> with gparted I see all patition, and all its fine
[22:40] <ubuntu-mate> Run live session
[22:41] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, what option did you pick during the install? "Erase disk and install" / "Something Else" ?
[22:41] <ubuntu-mate> I want repair, without reinstall
[22:41] <ubuntu-mate> I dont run install
[22:41] <ubuntu-mate> But I can o this
[22:42] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, what option did you pick during the install? "Erase disk and install" / "Something Else" ?
[22:42] <ubuntu-mate> wait
[22:43] <ubuntu-mate> I have the follow options to pick...
[22:44] <ouroumov> no
[22:44] <ubuntu-mate> Update Ubuntu 14... to Ubuntu 16.04...
[22:44] <ouroumov> Please don't do that, just tell me what you remember choosing
[22:44] <ouroumov> What?
[22:44] <ouroumov> So this is an upgrade, not a clean install?
[22:44] <ubuntu-mate> Is seens
[22:45] <ubuntu-mate> Erase Ubuntu
[22:45] <ubuntu-mate> Install Unbuntu
[22:45] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate: what is your native language?
[22:45] <ubuntu-mate> Erase Disk and install
[22:45] <ubuntu-mate> Portuguese
[22:46] <ubuntu-mate> In the installation I have Upgrade to pick
[22:46] <ubuntu-mate> But... Is safe?
[22:46] <sslove> se quiseres, explica em pt
[22:46] <ubuntu-mate> Ok
[22:47] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, I can't understand your problem, but there's a local channel you can use: #ubuntu-pt
[22:47] <ubuntu-mate> Voce perguntou se quais sao as opcoes
[22:47] <ubuntu-mate> que tenho
[22:47] <ubuntu-mate> para escolher
[22:47] <ubuntu-mate> Entendi
[22:47] <sslove> ja fiseste a installacao?
[22:47] <ubuntu-mate> Nao
[22:48] <ubuntu-mate> To na Live Session
[22:48] <ubuntu-mate> (Estou)
[22:48] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, sslove: can you please chat on #ubuntu-pt ? Here is supposed to be English only as it's an official non-localized Ubuntu support channel
[22:48] <sslove> ok, can u send a screenshot of your gparted with missing os?
[22:48] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[22:48] <sslove> sure, let's resume in english
[22:48] <ubuntu-mate> one moment
[22:49] <sslove> ouroumov, thanks for ur help and suggestion for #ubuntu-pt
[22:49] <ouroumov> yw
[22:50] <ubuntu-mate> How I send a picture?
[22:50] <sslove> a link to imgur maybe?
[22:50] <ubuntu-mate> maybe
[22:51] <ubuntu-mate> https://postimg.org/image/fpiokzftz/
[22:52] <ubuntu-mate> I was had a Windows 7 in one of this patitions
[22:53] <ubuntu-mate> And I deleted
[22:53] <sslove> well, what do u see in the file manager?
[22:57] <sslove> just because u deleted ur win7 doesn't mean u can't recover any data, there are tools for that, but if you have all of ur important data backed up already, maybe don't worry about it.  either way you'll need to reinstall windows if u really need it. do u plan on ur ubuntu mate being your main OS?
[23:00] <ubuntu-mate> Yes
[23:00] <ubuntu-mate> I dont need anymore Windows
[23:00] <sslove> i am guessing windows was in sda1 right?
[23:00] <ubuntu-mate> Right
[23:01] <sslove> sda 6 is ur ubuntu 1404 and sda7 ur home partition?
[23:01] <ubuntu-mate> no
[23:01] <ubuntu-mate> 6 is home partition
[23:02] <ubuntu-mate> and 7 system file
[23:02] <ubuntu-mate> Dont laugh of me
[23:02] <sslove> ok, uv got a small home partition and seems backwards to me
[23:02] <sslove> everything is backed up?
[23:02] <ubuntu-mate> hahaha
[23:03] <ubuntu-mate> No
[23:03] <ubuntu-mate> Nothing
[23:04] <sslove> unless ur doing a lot of gaming/steam where the system partition can grow very large because of games, u should be fine with a system partition of 30gb or even less
[23:04] <ubuntu-mate> But if is only solution
[23:05] <ubuntu-mate> Understood
[23:05] <ubuntu-mate> The home partition is need more MD than system patition?
[23:06] <ubuntu-mate> MB*
[23:06] <ouroumov> Yes
[23:06] <ubuntu-mate> GB*
[23:06] <ubuntu-mate> Oh ok
[23:06] <ouroumov> System is for your programs. /home is for your data
[23:06] <ubuntu-mate> I dont know this
[23:06] <sslove> well, backup ur stuff, if u can, then if u wanna preserve all the apps and themes/icons and settings and everything, get aptik, create a backup folder for aptik, once that is done, delete the system partition, grow the home partition...
[23:06] <sslove> how much ram have u got?
[23:07] <ubuntu-mate> 4gb
[23:07] <ubuntu-mate> Ah ok... I understood
[23:08] <ouroumov> Your SWAP partition is a little small for 4GB - you won't be able to hibernate
[23:09] <ubuntu-mate> Is better more than 4GB, right?
[23:09] <sslove> ul want to move the swap partition to the very beginning, next, make a boot partition, about 500-600mb, then a system partition, about 30gb unless ur a gamer, then if u have extra space after ur new system partition and between home, u might wanna consider moving the home partition to the left, then install, and download aptik and use the 1 click restore, you're good to go
[23:10] <sslove> is it a hd or ssd?
[23:10] <ubuntu-mate> Im not a gamer, Im a programmer
[23:10] <ubuntu-mate> Is ssd
[23:10] <sslove> oh i see, then it doesn't matter afaik
[23:10] <ubuntu-mate> Man, this are very good tips
[23:11] <ubuntu-mate> Or woman..
[23:11] <sslove> but hd's better to put whatever u want fast access to in the beginning (left) of the drive
[23:12] <sslove> but since u have ssd, i don
[23:13] <sslove> but since u have ssd, i don't think it matters where swap is
[23:13] <ouroumov> sslove, it's funny: I had never thought about that but now that you mention it it's kind of obvious that the swap should be near the center of the drive.
[23:13] <sslove> yea ur swap should match ur ram, so ram can write to it
[23:14] <sslove> yea, smaller diameter, faster rotations/access
[23:15] <sslove> and naturally u want that for swap. i always put swap first and boot 2nd because i want those fast and they're small partitions anyway. i used to make boot partitions as small as 200mb, but u must remember to autoremove and purge kernels often, after upgrades
[23:16] <sslove> where u from umate?
[23:16] <ouroumov> I learned something today: thanks.
[23:16] <ubuntu-mate> I heard: "If you have a small swap, it better speed of your cpu"
[23:17] <sslove> hahaha, cool
[23:17] <ubuntu-mate> But is seems not true
[23:17] <sslove> i don't see the connection
[23:17] <ubuntu-mate> mmmm
[23:18] <sslove> where r u from and what programming do u do?
[23:19] <ubuntu-mate> Im from Brazil, I programm one software to Virtual Office.
[23:19] <ubuntu-mate> In this moment
[23:19] <sslove> cool, where in br?
[23:19] <ubuntu-mate> I already do many programs
[23:20] <ubuntu-mate> In Sao Paulo, SP
[23:20] <ubuntu-mate> And you?
[23:20] <sslove> i don't know what virtual office is/means
[23:20] <ubuntu-mate> Is a Type of Coworking Centers
[23:20] <sslove> i'm a culinary artist from NYC
[23:20] <ubuntu-mate> Serious?
[23:20] <sslove> working in asia now
[23:20] <ubuntu-mate> No...
[23:21] <ubuntu-mate> Is crazy
[23:21] <ubuntu-mate> Cool
[23:21] <ubuntu-mate> hahaha
[23:21] <ubuntu-mate> What you do with Linux?
[23:21] <sslove> as much as i can
[23:22] <sslove> mostly just an enthusiast, but i participate and contribute money to projects i like
[23:23] <ubuntu-mate> If you dont bother
[23:24] <ubuntu-mate> show me a pics of your art
[23:24] <ubuntu-mate> Very cool
[23:26] <sslove> i am a culinary artist, a chef by another name except i don't work in restos, i work freelance. my art is creating new dishes, but i dabble in other arts too, just a creative person. i think programming is creative too, well at least it's creating, and i'm sure some solutions require creativity, altho programmers are not usually considered artists
[23:27] <ubuntu-mate> ohhh is very true
[23:27] <ubuntu-mate> hahaha
[23:28] <ubuntu-mate> I try sometimes develop some art with I do
[23:28] <sslove> i want to learn programming actually, just at least so i can study code and submit patches or squash bugs or maybe someday  participate in cool projects, or hack/fork my own shit
[23:28] <ubuntu-mate> Great
[23:28] <ubuntu-mate> haha
[23:28] <ubuntu-mate> Very nice
[23:29] <sslove> i am loving this release of U-MATE
[23:30] <ubuntu-mate> IS the first time that I try install
[23:31] <ubuntu-mate> cause bug hd, shure
[23:31] <ubuntu-mate> But, is seems very light
[23:31] <ubuntu-mate> I like cooking too
[23:32] <ubuntu-mate> But I cooking food from "Minas Gerais"
[23:32] <ubuntu-mate> Is a state of Brazil
[23:32] <ubuntu-mate> Polenta With Chicken
[23:32] <sslove> makes my old netbook nice and fast and modern again, but when i use unity on my slightly newer netbook, with 2gb ram, i realize how much extra polish unity has, and i love the HUD most of all. i was looking for something in an app with so many menu items, and i couldn't find it, with HUD it would take a second to tap alt and search. U-MATE 16.10 is working on a HUD, smart move, that shit is the most killer feature ever
[23:33] <ubuntu-mate> Chicken with okra
[23:33] <ubuntu-mate> hahaha yes is true
[23:34] <sslove> yea my mate install on my netbook is about 300mb or less at idle, not bad. atom 1.6ghz and 1gb ram, lol
[23:34] <ubuntu-mate> sweet corn bread with cloves and cinnamon
[23:34] <sslove> yea is minas gerais the culinary capital of brasil?
[23:34] <ubuntu-mate> No
[23:34] <sslove> mmm that sounds good
[23:35] <ubuntu-mate> In Brazil, we have a many kind of colinary
[23:35] <ubuntu-mate> From Bahia
[23:35] <ubuntu-mate> From Minas
[23:35] <ubuntu-mate> From Sao Paulo
[23:35] <sslove> i was in ceara, and wasn't impressed with the food there
[23:35] <sslove> in a small city
[23:35] <ubuntu-mate> The capital of colunary is Sao Paulo
[23:36] <ubuntu-mate> But like NY
[23:36] <sslove> a lot of the churrasco was, um, pretty much always very overcooked
[23:36] <ubuntu-mate> Cause the financial center
[23:36] <sslove> lol, dry hard meat not my favorite
[23:36] <sslove> i should check out sp
[23:36] <sslove> if i can
[23:36] <ubuntu-mate> hahaha Dry hard meat?
[23:36] <sslove> someday
[23:36] <ubuntu-mate> Carne seca?
[23:36] <ubuntu-mate> hahaha
[23:37] <ubuntu-mate> Come to SP!
[23:37] <sslove> i'm sure there are talented chefs and cooks throughout the country tho
[23:38] <ubuntu-mate> Stay in my apartament
[23:38] <sslove> oh man that would be sweet
[23:38] <ubuntu-mate> My ap, localized i center of Sao Paulo
[23:38] <sslove> i sent u a pm, send ur info there
[23:38] <ubuntu-mate> in*
[23:39] <ubuntu-mate> nice
[23:39] <sslove> do u see it?
[23:40] <ubuntu-mate> Yes
[23:41] <ubuntu-mate> I talked you u there
[23:42] <sslove> yea man, many things i love about this ubuntu mate, crazy nice once i tweak it to my liking, but it has superseded mint, it includes the mint menu (minus the ability to install software from the menu, what' the fuck is up with that), a dock, gdebi, the awesome welcome app and software boutique with ppa's. global menu(top menu), mate dock, etc. so nice, but still no HUD, oh well.
[23:45] <ouroumov> sslove, MATE menu was probably forked before that feature was implemented in Mint menu
[23:46] <ouroumov> And yeah, as you pointed there's a HUD in alpha testing now thanks to flexion.org
[23:53] <sslove> yea that's awesome
[23:54] <sslove> hey anyone here know why the 'advanced menu' (mint menu innit?) doesn't install software searched from the menu like mint menu does (or at least used to)?
[23:55] <ouroumov> I'm off to sleep, see ya.
[23:56] <sslove> gnight


[00:02] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: about unity not being reloaded... It's weird that pstree shows it as a child of gnome-session instead of init, I thought it was reloaded by upstart actually... but it doesn't seem the case..
[00:02] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: looking better I found why
[00:02] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session contains the word compiz
[00:03] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: but... /usr/share/upstart/sessions/unity7.conf has a "raw grep" for compiz on that file
[00:03] <Trevinho> thus we're still running unity7 via gs!
[00:04] <Trevinho> when moving to upstart (i.e. removing that compiz check), then all goes as it should using upstart, and thus killing unity reloads it forever
[00:04] <Trevinho> olli: ^
[00:05] <olli> Trevinho, what does that mean
[00:06] <Trevinho> olli: that we are currently (for a mistake I think) running unity7 via gnome-session, and this leads not to get the respawns on compiz crashes
[00:07] <olli> Trevinho, ok
[00:07] <Trevinho> for some reason it has been working for long time, then a change on the ubuntu.session file in gnome-session caused this to change
[00:08] <olli> Trevinho, might be good to update the bug with that finding
[00:08] <Trevinho> I think we should SRU the thing at this point :/
[00:08] <olli> and then I think you can call it a day
[00:08] <olli> yeah, this is SRY material
[00:09] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: what's the compiz mention in RequiredComponents actually does? Launch it if it's not there? or what? As the unity upstart file was checking if compiz was mentioned there (as exec file I think)
[00:10] <robert_ancell> Trevinho, I'm not 100% sure but it used to launch them
[00:10] <robert_ancell> Trevinho, our required component list should probably be blank since we use upstart but there's some side effects probably
[00:11] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: yeah... so what we should fix is unity at this point, making it to run with upstart in any case... then if this fails for some reason will g-s do that
[00:11] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: if g-s doesn't arrive first of it...
[00:12] <robert_ancell> Trevinho, yeah, they're both trying to keep the process alive
[00:12] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: yes, but g-s seems not to be reliable as upstart is
[00:12] <robert_ancell> g-s must die :)
[00:13] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: and I will help to do that :)
[00:13] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: as for its removal btw, (related to the ML), unity needs to also update its session managements... As we rely on it for events right now (mostly for the power-button press thing)
[00:14] <robert_ancell> Trevinho, yes, we will probably find lots of things relying on these sorts of interfaces when we remove them (found a bunch of them in unity-greeter)
[00:28] <infinity> robru: Should be able to hit it now.
[00:30] <robru> infinity, ok, published
[00:30] <infinity> \o/
[00:30] <robru> olli, hit publish, should be in proposed soon
[00:31] <infinity> robru: Accepted, thanks.
[00:31] <robru> infinity, thank you
[01:09] <Trevinho> robru: FYI I've all prepared to get the fix to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1308800 as well
[01:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1308800 in Unity "Unity doesn't respawn all the times on crashes" [Critical,In progress]
[01:10] <robru> Trevinho, what? are you saying I have to build that in a new silo in time for release as well? infinity ^^ ??
[01:10] <Trevinho> robru: I was wondering of SRUing it at this point
[01:11] <Trevinho> robru: unfortunately I noticed it just an ~ hour ago
[01:12] <robru> Trevinho, I'm not building it without an ack from management because this is just too close to the deadline for me. i'm literally having anxiety attacks about this.
[01:12] <Trevinho> robru: well, you don't need to build the fix... you can just test it by your own
[01:12] <Trevinho> robru: it's just about modifing a conf file
[01:12] <Trevinho> or two if you prefer
[01:13] <robru> Trevinho, but still, the package would need to be rebuilt in order to get this in the release right now
[01:13] <olli> robru, that's an SRY
[01:13] <Trevinho> robru: yep... that's why I said of SRUing it, but it's up to release team... as it still might be important
[01:13] <olli> Trevinho, let's play safe
[01:14] <robru> olli, yeah
[01:14] <robru> olli, unity *just* hit release pocket btw
[01:14] <olli> robru, saw that, thx
[01:34] <rickspencer3> olli, I just did a dist-upgrade, got a new lib-unity-core, restarted, and def. can't repro the crasher in the greater
[01:49] <kieppie> I'm wondering if it's possible to extend my dektop over network to my TV or something via DLNA - i.e. use my 'DLNA renderer' in a similar manner as simply plugging in my HDMI cable
[08:03] <Laney> morning
[08:03] <apw> Laney, moin
[08:03] <Laney> hey apw
[08:03] <Laney> how's life in the seat of power?
[08:03] <Laney> assuming you are there :P
[08:04] <seb128> hey Laney apw
[08:04] <Laney> hey seb128, how goes?
[08:04] <seb128> looks like there was some unity lock screen fun yesterday evening
[08:04] <seb128> Laney, good! you? how was tha clown climbing? :p
[08:05] <Laney> was good!
[08:05] <apw> "fun" indded :)
[08:10] <mlankhorst> morning
[08:26] <mlankhorst> yeah Laney, so far I just saw a fixed issue
[08:27] <Laney> hmm?
[08:27] <mlankhorst> worst case is that you're hitting it :P
[08:27] <Laney> well you got it too
[08:27] <Laney> so can try the patch?
[08:27] <mlankhorst> I guess the fix is not in 10.1.0 yet, might be in 10.1.1
[08:28] <Laney> those mutual conflicts are annoying
[08:29] <Laney> another affect is that it means liboxideqtcode0's changelog in /usr/share/doc is a broken symlink
[08:29] <Laney> if you have -extra installed
[08:31] <mlankhorst> yeah
[08:31] <Laney> effect
[08:31] <Laney> grr
[08:38] <mhr3> seb128, ping? some time ago you reported that apps don't show up properly, right? do you remember against what did you open it?
[08:39] <seb128> mhr3, hey
[08:40] <seb128> mhr3, bug #1223933 ?
[08:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1223933 in libunity "sometimes the dash home list "no result matching your query" string" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1223933
[08:40] <mlankhorst> Laney: suspecting https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75279 -- will be fixed in 10.1.1 though :P
[08:40] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 75279 in Driver/nouveau "XCloseDisplay() takes one minute around nouveau_dri.so, freezing Firefox startup" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[08:40] <Laney> mlankhorst: can/will you try it?
[08:40] <mlankhorst> yeah
[08:41] <Laney> mhr3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1308037 was my one from the other day
[08:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1308037 in unity (Ubuntu) "No results from application lens" [Undecided,New]
[08:42] <mhr3> seb128, Laney, thx
[08:42] <seb128> mhr3, yw!
[08:42] <Laney> someone commented with a possible dupe in that one too
[08:42] <Laney> so there's three for you :P
[08:44] <seb128> mhr3, since you are looking at bugs, could you add bug #1194465 to your list/ping whoever is working on that?
[08:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1194465 in unity-scope-gdrive (Ubuntu) "scope-runner-dbus.py crashed with SIGSEGV in auth_session_remote_object_destroyed_cb()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1194465
[08:45] <seb128> mhr3, is that a signon/mardy thing?
[08:45] <mhr3> seb128, yep
[08:45] <seb128> mhr3, can you reassign/ping him or should I do it?
[08:46] <mhr3> seb128, feel free to
[08:47] <mhr3> seb128, it's been a while anyway really touched that
[08:47] <mhr3> davidcalle, even you did ;)
[08:47] <seb128> mhr3, would be good for you to refresh your knowledge of that code then ;-)
[08:48] <mhr3> seb128, there's no refresh, i never touched it :)
[08:48] <Laney> fresh
[08:48] <seb128> mhr3, opportunity to learn then!
[08:48] <seb128> mhr3, stop being that lazy ;-)
[08:48] <mhr3> seb128, it's called delegating :)
[08:49] <seb128> lol
[08:54] <Laney> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1128
[08:54] <Laney> looks beardy
[09:09] <mlankhorst> [ 4883.702555] nouveau E[   PFIFO][0000:01:00.0] read fault at 0x00134f5000 [PAGE_NOT_PRESENT] from PGRAPH/DISPATCH on channel 0x005f72f000 [memcheck-amd64-[18054]]
[09:09] <mlankhorst> progress, I guess :P
[09:13] <mlankhorst> now a different crash :s
[09:38] <mlankhorst> ok got it
[09:39] <mlankhorst> Laney: it's an entry level issue, you should be able to fix it. :D
[09:39] <Laney> ¬_¬
[09:40] <mlankhorst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1300411
[09:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1300411 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in pushbuf_flush()" [Medium,New]
[09:41] <seb128> xclaesse, hey, could you have a look to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662672#c9 ?
[09:41] <ubot2> Gnome bug 662672 in Chat "wrong count of unread messages and text missing" [Normal,New]
[09:46] <mvo> mpt: hi, there is a certain chance that the apt-get update progressbar jumps around might get solved by fixing apt
[09:46] <mvo> mpt: (I thought you might want to hear about this as iirc its one of the things that look unpolished)
[10:08] <mpt> mvo, as I understand it, any repository referred to in sources.list can itself refer to any number of other repositories, correct?
[10:20] <mvo> mpt: I don't think this is the case (unless I misunderstand something). there will be a bunch of files that get download and before the Release file is parsed what files is a bit uncertain, but once the Release file is fetched apt has a pretty good idea what needs to be fetched, it was just not making good use of that information :/
[10:23] <mpt> mvo, oh, excellent! So we need to use an indeterminate progress bar only while reading the Release file. Then we can allocate ~5% of the determinate bar to reading the sources, ~45% to downloading packages, and  and ~50% to installing packages.
[10:25] <mvo> mpt: yeah, that is the plan, adding a state "gathering data" or something for the very early fetching and once the release file is there, the data should be pretty accurate (modulo corner cases like right now we don't have the size of the translations file in our release file, but that is a bug that will get fixed)
[10:42] <rickspencer3> seb128, jasoncwarner what's the word on the street? how does the release look today?
[10:42] <seb128> rickspencer3, hey, looking good (finger crossed that there isn't another screenlock issue or similar)
[10:43] <rickspencer3> seb128, for sure!
[10:45] <seb128> ogra_, stop trolling on the desktop list!
[10:45] <ogra_> seb128, lol
[10:45] <ogra_> well, tomorrow is a holiday here ... so its "kind of friday" :)
[10:46] <seb128> ogra_, what people are saying is that they don't want to have a non-good-enough-to-get-work-done solution pushed on them over what they have it's working
[10:46] <seb128> ogra_, like "don't force a metro UI on my windows, I need to get work done"
[10:47] <seb128> ogra_, nobody said we don't want system-images, but we don't want them today if it means you can't install e.g the gimp anymore because it has no click and there are no solution to install debs
[10:48] <seb128> ogra_, the day we can switch without undermining our desktop experience we should/are going to do it
[10:48] <ogra_> seb128, well, IMHo we need to start from the bottom ... not at the UI level
[10:48] <seb128> right
[10:48] <seb128> but we need to swap the pieces only when they are ready
[10:48] <seb128> not say "ok, no libreoffice or gimp for you anymore for the next 1.5 years until we reach feature parity"
[10:49] <ogra_> which is why i point out that we should first get the plumbing layer ready while unity8 desktop development should be done in parallel ... but only land when its done
[10:49] <seb128> right
[10:49] <ogra_> we just need to re-package them as click ;)
[10:49] <seb128> nobody argued against that
[10:49] <ogra_> will make the tablet people happy too ;)
[10:49] <seb128> we need to get click working on the desktop unity first
[10:49] <ogra_> indeed
[10:52] <rickspencer3> seb128, and desktop team, I hope it's not premature to say congrats on 14.04
[10:52] <seb128> ogra_, oh, and I don't believe that you not going to be online at some point tomorrow, to read reviews and troll a bit
[10:52] <rickspencer3> I've been using is since October, of course, but ...
[10:53] <seb128> rickspencer3, thanks ;-)
[10:53] <rickspencer3> it's been working really well
[10:53] <ogra_> seb128, lol
[10:53] <seb128> ;-)
[10:53] <tseliot> seb128: hi, do we map the touchscreen input onto a display output (in 14.04)? If so, what part of the desktop deals with it?
[10:53] <seb128> rickspencer3, yep, we are quite happy with how this cycle went as well
[10:53] <ogra_> yeah, you guys did an awesome job
[10:53] <ogra_> !!
[10:53] <rickspencer3> that's great
[10:55] <tseliot> seb128: I'm asking because of bug #1287341
[10:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1287341 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Touchscreen controls both screens in dual-monitor setup" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1287341
[10:56] <seb128> tseliot, I don't think we map those no
[10:56] <seb128> tseliot, that bug/the upstream one referenced basically have the context
[10:57] <seb128> tseliot, bregma said the kernel doesn't provide us enough info to do clever matching
[10:57] <seb128> Laney, so, release notes ... seems like neither robert_ancell nor bregma edited them. I think I'm going to have a look after lunch, just checking if you started thinking about those to not dup work
[10:58] <tseliot> seb128: ok, I'll look into this issue. Maybe I'll work on a fix myself
[11:00] <Laney> seb128: just loaded that
[11:03] <seb128> tseliot, that would be great
[11:03] <seb128> Laney, ok, let me know if you start on it/what sections you add
[11:03] <seb128> bregma might still want to add the notes for unity
[11:03] <seb128> quite some features to cover there ;-)
[11:03] <Laney> It's got a little paragraph
[11:03] <seb128> but first lunch
[11:03] <seb128> bbiab
[11:36] <apw> Laney, let me know when you are done with the release notes ...
[11:37] <Laney> apw: sec
[11:38] <apw> Laney, don't rush, just bored of hitting refresh :)
[11:42] <Laney> apw: ok, there you go
[11:57] <Laney> seb128: added a couple of bugs, but couldn't think of that many
[11:58] <seb128> Laney, you just edited known issue, not "what changed"?
[11:58] <Laney> yep
[11:58] <Laney> what do you want to put in there?
[11:58] <seb128> ok, I'm going to try to complete the what changed
[11:58] <Laney> type ahead find in nautilus
[11:58] <Laney> $updates to things
[11:58] <seb128> need to look at what we did
[11:59] <Laney> could add libreoffice
[11:59] <seb128> but stuff like traditional menus for defaults apps, improved settings
[11:59] <seb128> libreoffice
[11:59] <seb128> unity has a ton of stuff
[11:59] <Laney> there's already a unity section
[11:59] <seb128> I should look at the top 10 trusty features websites featured
[11:59] <seb128> cool
[12:01] <seb128> hum, who added it?
[12:01] <Laney> not sure, I edited it a little bit
[12:01] <Laney> hoping bregma can do it properly
[12:02] <seb128> we can probably add some stuff, like new decorations with live resizing, smaller launcher icons configuration from settings
[12:02]  * Laney is adding some features atm
[12:02] <seb128> yeah, same here
[12:02] <Laney> I didn't know what was worth adding
[12:02] <Laney> like what's too minor, I thought live resizing would be not important enough
[12:02] <Laney> don't write over my lock :P
[12:03] <Laney> maybe wait until I'm done otherwise it's likely we will write the same thing
[12:06] <seb128> sure
[12:07] <Laney> bah, someone else edited it meanwhile
[12:07] <seb128> Laney, https://plus.google.com/+System76/posts/68DEWHK9Sba
[12:07] <seb128> Laney, use that maybe?
[12:07] <Laney> asac!
[12:07] <asac> Laney: did i cause a conflict?
[12:07] <Laney> no but you did break the lock
[12:08] <Laney> in that sense every edit is a conflict
[12:08] <asac> ?
[12:08] <asac> hmmmmmmmm
[12:08] <asac> Laney: you can just kill my changes if thats easier
[12:08] <Laney> it's ok
[12:09] <asac> sorry
[12:09] <asac> Laney: i will leave it alone for a while now.
[12:09] <Laney> moin wasn't too bad about it
[12:09] <Laney> it merged the changes and showed me the bits that i'd edited
[12:09] <asac> nice
[12:09] <asac> yeah think the doc is long enough that conflicts shouldnt be too hard
[12:11] <seb128> Laney, bregma: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/trusty/view/head:/ubuntu-help/C/whats-new.page can also be used as inspiration
[12:12] <Laney> yeah
[12:12] <seb128> Laney, do you know if we aim the notes to 13.10 updaters or 12.04 ones?
[12:13] <Laney> I'm done for now
[12:13] <Laney> I think it's for this release, there's more marketing stuff for LTS upgraders
[12:13] <seb128> k
[12:13] <Laney> I made sections for LO and Xorg
[12:13] <Laney> if Sweetshark and mlankhorst want to fill those in if they have anything to put
[12:14] <seb128> that would be nice
[12:14] <seb128> Sweetshark, libreoffice 4.2 marketing speech on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes ? ;-)
[12:14] <Laney> Just put a few bullets, don't make it really long
[12:15] <seb128> yeah, I was mostly joking with "marketing speech" ;-)
[12:15] <Laney> :P
[12:15]  * seb128 notes don't joke too much with Sweetshark he's able to write a book on libreoffice awesomeness
[12:15] <mlankhorst> not much for xorg tbh
[12:16] <Laney> /mesa/drivers/whatever
[12:16] <mlankhorst> 'tries to break less in optimus configs, probably'
[12:16] <seb128> that's a good one
[12:16] <seb128> didn't you get support for dri3 and stuff?
[12:17] <Laney> any hybrid graphics things?
[12:17] <mlankhorst> the kernel doesn't support it yet, I think.
[12:17] <Laney> is is that what optimus is
[12:17] <mlankhorst> and from what I read on the mailing list some of it is still sketchy
[12:17] <Laney> ALL the is
[12:17] <mlankhorst> optimus = driving your intel card from your nvidia card
[12:19] <Laney> well, delete the section if you don't have anything interesting to put
[12:19] <Laney> if you know any bugs that you want the 2 people who read release notes to be aware of then put them in the bottom bit
[12:19]  * Laney lunches
[12:20] <mlankhorst> no I fixed most of them before release, I guess nouveau webapps counts :P
[12:20] <mlankhorst> but not worth putting in release notes
[12:23] <Sweetshark> seb128: argh.
[12:23]  * Sweetshark starts the bullshit bingo generator.
[12:26] <Sweetshark> seb128: thats still news against 13.10 only, not LTS->LTS, right?
[12:26] <seb128> Sweetshark, correct
[12:29] <Trevinho> Laney: when back could you update the Unity part on the release note to include something liike http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7267693/ ?
[12:31] <seb128> Trevinho, it's a wiki, just edit it?
[12:31] <Trevinho> seb128: it's immutable to me :(
[12:31] <seb128> Trevinho, are you logged in?
[12:31] <Trevinho> seb128: I guess they locked it for release
[12:31] <Trevinho> seb128: yep
[12:32] <seb128> no they didn't
[12:32] <seb128> you might need to be an ubuntu member or something
[12:32] <seb128> you are not member?
[12:32] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, well now I can go in :o
[12:32] <Trevinho> seb128: I do
[12:32] <seb128> go in = edit?
[12:32] <Trevinho> weird, it was immutable before...
[12:32] <seb128> weird
[12:32] <seb128> well, as long as it's back ;-)
[12:33] <Trevinho> seb128: well, it still is, unless I don't edit manually the URL...
[12:33] <Trevinho> seb128: it turns out that SSO was messed, :)
[12:34] <Trevinho> seb128: that text looks fine to you, btw?
[12:34] <seb128> Trevinho, yes, that looks fine to me
[12:35] <seb128> Trevinho, note that is already an Unity section with some of those items,so just update that
[12:36] <Trevinho> seb128: yes, I read it but it was a little too concise... :)
[12:36] <seb128> Trevinho, right, I'm just trying to make sure you saw it and don't duplicate (e.g update/delete the previous content)
[12:53] <Sweetshark> seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes#Ubuntu_Desktop_Features <- better?
[13:10] <Laney> hmm
[13:10] <Laney> I don't think all of those things need to be listed
[13:10] <Laney> lemme edit a bit
[13:15] <Laney> what is a 'windows disposition layout'?
[13:18] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[13:18] <seb128> Sweetshark, "falt icon theme" ... ?
[13:18] <seb128> Sweetshark, is that supposed to be "flat" or?
[13:18] <Sweetshark> seb128: eh, falt -> flat
[13:18] <seb128> k
[13:18] <seb128> I was wondering if that was some tech word I didn't know
[13:18] <seb128> Sweetshark, be careful if you edit, Laney comment suggested he's doing that as well
[13:18] <Sweetshark> seb128: grumble, page is immutable anyway
[13:18] <seb128> though he was speaking about unity
[13:18] <seb128> so maybe no conflict
[13:19] <Sweetshark> ah, no. I had a magically disappearing login.
[13:19] <Laney> it's better to just wait
[13:19] <Sweetshark> interesting.
[13:19] <Sweetshark> Laney: will do.
[13:19] <Laney> it tells you if someone's editing the page when you go in there
[13:21] <Laney> Sweetshark: gogogo
[13:21] <Laney> well, if this ever saves
[13:21]  * Laney stares at the wiki
[13:22] <tedg> And the wiki stares back at Laney.
[13:22] <jdstrand> bregma: hey, chrisccoulson wants to fix bug #1307709
[13:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1307709 in Oxide "webbrowser-app does not start in Unity 8 preview session" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307709
[13:22] <Laney> it's bored its way into my soul
[13:22]  * tedg wonders who will blink first
[13:23] <jdstrand> bregma: but he gets a black screen on starting unity8
[13:23] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson, bregma: discuss amongst yourselves :)
[13:25] <Laney> hahah I love the list of spreadsheet functions
[13:29] <asac> i dont understand this bug
[13:29] <asac> i was old it was tested yesteday
[13:29] <ogra_> asac, seems the desktop session doesnt use the unit8 upstart job
[13:29] <asac> ok seems its an old bug actually
[13:30] <asac> so guess desktop testers hav alreayd worked around this
[13:30] <asac> ogra_: sure, i know that. but its not a regression from our upload last night
[13:30] <ogra_> asac, definitely not
[13:30] <asac> but multiple people confirmed yuesterday
[13:30] <asac> that the oxide landing desktop plan was good
[13:30] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/webapp-container
[13:30] <asac> "restart your browser
[13:30] <asac> "
[13:30] <qengho> larsu: My messaging indicator is full. I suspect the client is dumb. Have any debugging advice, to make sure?  http://i.imgur.com/RM2nQ45.png
[13:32] <larsu> robru: stop bothering qengho so much!
[13:32] <qengho> I KNOW, RIGHT?
[13:33] <larsu> haha
[13:33] <larsu> I recently fixed a bug which had this symptom
[13:33] <larsu> does smuxy offer messaging menu integration as a plugin?
[13:33] <larsu> and you turned it off and on a lot?
[13:33] <larsu> (while talking to robru?)
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, bregma, NM, I got it to display by undocking my laptop and then restarting
[13:35] <bregma> chrisccoulson, one of either Mir or unity8 does not yet support multimonitor configurations
[13:35] <bregma> I dunno which, gonne need fixing this cycle
[13:35] <chrisccoulson> bregma, heh, i guessed :)
[13:35]  * bregma is going to be busier than ever
[13:35] <chrisccoulson> also, it doesn't like my touchpad. when i touch my touchpad, the cursor wanders towards the top left of the screen
[13:36] <qengho> larsu: There is, AFAIK, no plugin here, and I certainly wasn't toggling anything. It's full now, just as a matter of course.
[13:43]  * Sweetshark wouldnt have thought that tedg reads german philosophers ...
[13:44] <tedg> Sweetshark, I am the über-Texan
[13:44] <Sweetshark> lol
[13:45] <Sweetshark> sounds great. after all everything is bigger in Texas ;)
[13:46] <tedg> Yes, except our Eiffel Tower, but it has a cowboy hat on top to make up for it.
[13:49] <larsu> qengho: okay probably the client is buggy then. Can you call ListSources() on it's com.canonical.indicator.messages.application bus interface and paste the result?
[13:49] <Sweetshark> tedg: well, its been 138 years since the tallest building of the world stood in my hometown, so I guess we are out of the race already for a long time ..
[13:50] <tedg> Sweetshark, Clearly the solution is that the building needs a cowboy hat on top!
[13:54] <Sweetshark> tedg: That might raise some conflict. The building is a church, and while the spire is still standing the rest of it was bombed away by cowboys in operation gomorrah.
[13:55] <Sweetshark> tedg: But in general, that would indeed be the obvious solution.
[13:56] <tedg> Sweetshark, So you're saying what should happen here is that Texas should give an epic cowboy hat as a sign of peace and understanding, so that they'd feel compelled to put it on.
[13:57] <Sweetshark> tedg: that would work. ;)
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> bregma, how do I run a terminal in the unity8 preview?
[14:02] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, using the terminal app ?
[14:03] <ogra_> (or isnt that available)
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, where's that installed from?
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> nothing shows up in the session and I didn't find anything in the archive
[14:03] <ogra_> usually from the appstore ...
[14:03] <ogra_> search for terminal in the apps scope
[14:03] <tedg> I don't think click is on the desktop image
[14:03] <tedg> chrisccoulson, Just a sec, let me find the apps PPA
[14:04] <tedg> chrisccoulson, ppa:ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/daily
[14:04] <chrisccoulson> tedg, thanks
[14:05] <tedg> chrisccoulson, There's a metapackage touch-coreapps
[14:05] <bregma> chrisccoulson, try clicking on the "Terminal" app, the latest update should launch OK
[14:06] <chrisccoulson> bregma, yeah, i need to install it first :)
[14:06] <bregma> chrisccoulson, also, you need to do what tedg suggests
[14:06] <chrisccoulson> bregma, i can't scroll the list of apps btw
[14:06]  * tedg finds that installing apps is just a gateway drug to using them
[14:06] <bregma> chrisccoulson, it sounds like you need to invest in a nice touchscreen
[14:07] <bregma> all the cool kids are doing it
[14:07] <pmcgowan> bregma, does it not work with mouse events?
[14:07] <chrisccoulson> bregma, or canonical needs to invest in one for me ;)
[14:07] <chrisccoulson> pmcgowan, no, it's pretty broken here with a mouse
[14:07] <chrisccoulson> and my cursor doesn't stay still when i tap the touchpad either
[14:08] <pmcgowan> thats seems like a problem
[14:08] <chrisccoulson> it's virtually unusable here :/
[14:08] <bregma> I use a mouse here because I can't stand trackpads, and I have no problems using a mouse
[14:08] <pmcgowan> ok good
[14:08] <pmcgowan> will load it up in a bit and see
[14:08] <bregma> the touchscreen on this test system is too flaky to rely on it, too
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> oh, the terminal only opens in the sidestage, giving my about 29 characters of width :/
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to cry in a minute
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> can i make that wider?
[14:10] <pmcgowan> dont think so
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> i can't use a 29 character width terminal that I can't scroll :(
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> and tmux doesn't work in it either, so i can't even run that and drop to a tty to debug oxide :/
[14:28] <bregma> chrisccoulson, edit /usr/share/applications/com.ubuntu.terminal_terminal.desktop and remove the line X-Ubuntu-StageHint=SideStage
[14:28] <bregma> after that, things work swimmingly
[14:29] <bregma> I don't know why someone thinks terminal in a side stage is a good idea, perhaps they need to be thrashed
[14:30] <chrisccoulson> ah, thanks. will give that a try
[14:30] <bregma> they must be beaten about the head and shoulders with a blunt object until they confess to their conspiracy of progressive obstructionism
[14:30]  * bregma is done rambling for the nonce
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> aha, now I can't type anything in to it. i seem to get a random character every few keypresses
[14:32] <tedg> bregma, I think you should submit a patch ;-)
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> is there any way to switch between apps?
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> without a touch device?
[14:34] <olli> chrisccoulson, you pull the screen to the right with the mouse
[14:34] <olli> similar to the swipe on the phone/tablet
[14:34] <olli> that'll get you to the app scope
[14:35] <olli> and you can switch to another app from there
[14:35] <chrisccoulson> olli, it doesn't do anything here
[14:36] <bregma> chrisccoulson, are yuo using a mouse or a trackpad?  Edge swipes are impossible with a track pad.
[14:37] <bregma> well, difficult
[14:37] <chrisccoulson> bregma, yeah, i've tried a mouse too
[14:37] <bregma> I have separate buttons on mine, so I can get edge swipes to work using two hands, but my other machine has a clickpad and it's nigh-on impossible
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> in fact, i wonder if this has just frozen
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> i don't even get the odd random character on the terminal like i did before
[14:38] <bregma> that sounds ominous
[14:38] <bregma> can you pull down indicators?
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> no
[14:39] <bregma> hashtag sadface
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> i just killed the terminal app, and the screen hasn't updated
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> so it seems pretty dead
[14:39] <bregma> that sounds like the shell is hung
[14:39] <bregma> if you can;t switch to a VT, you'll want to reboot
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> i can switch to a VT. i killed the user init, which seems to have done the trick
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> although, it's left most processes running
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> i think i'm going to need to reboot :/
[14:41] <Laney> you might be able to loginctl kill-session
[14:41] <bregma> or service lightdm restart
[14:42] <tedg> chrisccoulson, If you send sigterm to Upstart it'll bring down all it's children and shutdown.
[14:43] <bregma> it appears there are many ways to skin a cat
[14:46] <chrisccoulson> ok, i think we have success
[14:46] <chrisccoulson> oh, maybe not
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> i can reproduce the crash i was looking for, and can now switch back to the terminal (the swipe seems to work now i've restarted)
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> but i can no longer get keyboard input in the terminal to debug it
[14:55] <bregma> hey tedg I'm trying to run Qt Creator in my Unity 8 Desktop Preview session but it apparent fails because its subprocesses are not allowed to connect or something, what's the best approach to analysing that problem
[14:55] <bregma> ?
[14:55] <pmcgowan> bregma, how can that work?
[14:56] <tedg> bregma, Uhm, I'm not sure analysis is needed. Fixing is :-)
[14:56] <pmcgowan> wow
[14:56] <tedg> bregma, We need to get cgroups working for apps and all that contained. And then for QtCreator they really need to use Mir trusted sessions, but those don't really exist yet.
[14:57] <tedg> It's a manpower issue really.
[14:57] <bregma> well, it starts OK but you can't do much yet
[14:58] <tedg> bregma, So the solution is convince management we need to work on all the pieces there :-)
[14:58] <tedg> I can map it out, but it's a non-trivial amount of work.
[14:59] <bregma> tedg, can you map it out and send me the map, so we can at least see the lay of the land over the next cycles?
[14:59]  * bregma wonders how well emacs will run under unity 8....
[15:00] <tedg> bregma, Uhm, sure. I think the big question early on is whether we're going to do the work to get cgroups working under Upstart or wait until we move to systemd for that.
[15:00] <tedg> I figured we'd have that discussion in Malta.
[15:01] <tedg> The trusted session stuff is ongoing, it's needed for lots of things. Online accounts and Pay just to mention two.
[15:01] <bregma> tedg, yes, discuss it there but we need to plan an agenda before we arrive
[15:01] <tedg> Getting QtCreator to use it is a larger question, and something I have less visibility into.
[15:02] <tedg> bregma, Well, I think it depends a lot one which of the "systemd now" vs. "systemd later" camps wins.
[15:02] <bregma> well, I have a fullscreen green screen terminal, vim, and the autotools so I'm good to use Unity 8 full time as my development environment but the weaker among you will have to wait for an IDE or whatever it is kids use these days
[15:02] <tedg> If we're doing systemd in the short term, clearly that's the right choice. But I'm not clear on what the timeline is there yet.
[15:03] <bregma> tedg, I just want to know how many ducks I have before trying to put them all in a row
[15:04] <Laney> mlankhorst: did you fix that entry level bug? :P
[15:05] <mlankhorst> Laney: nope, but I did get nouveau to spew some useful debugfs info now
[15:08] <tedg> bregma, I think those are the three basic rocks. Of course there are details within them.
[15:57] <mlankhorst> Laney: fun part of that bug: every time I try it I get a different type of crash :(
[16:04] <mlankhorst> but this might be nvc0 screwiness, do you encounter the same crash every time you try it?
[16:05] <Laney> Rather not crash my system right now :(
[16:06] <mlankhorst> tomorrow's fine too, just ping me please ;P
[16:06] <WIlli-Smith> Hi guys, I need your help, how can I edit welcome message in terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1), Is there any file to edit? Thanks
[16:07] <mlankhorst> afk, grabbing some food
[16:37] <kenvandine> Laney, have you see bug 1309015 ?  i'm wondering if your fix for bug 1306569 might have exposed this
[16:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1309015 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Settings crashed on updates page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309015
[16:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1306569 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Can't update clicks from store with u-s-s #287 on mako" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1306569
[16:38] <kenvandine> Laney, i think it crashes when that signal should be getting emitted
[16:38] <kenvandine> of course getting a retrace would be useful
[16:38] <Laney> kenvandine: I saw it come in but haven't looked at it
[16:38] <Laney> gatox: can you look?
[16:38] <Laney> kenvandine: I don't really know the code there
[16:39] <kenvandine> understand
[16:39] <kenvandine> i'm just suspecting the previous bug was keeping us from hitting this crasher
[16:39] <kenvandine> so fixing that might have uncovered that
[16:39] <Laney> likely, click updates were quite nonfunctional before
[16:39] <kenvandine> indeed
[16:41] <Laney> kenvandine: maybe retrace it and assign it to gatox
[16:42] <Laney> if you are able
[16:42] <gatox> Laney, does this happen on the desktop too?
[16:42] <kenvandine> sure
[16:43] <gatox> Laney, my problem is that in the desktop i can only test it using a mock server.. i don't have a device
[16:43] <Laney> I don't know how to meaningfully run the updates panel on the desktop
[16:43] <kenvandine> i started to look at it, but not familiar with that code at all
[16:43] <kenvandine> gatox, i hit it when i think the popover should have been fired
[16:44] <kenvandine> gatox, i think it might happen when there are both click updates and system updates
[16:44] <kenvandine> and it auto downloads the system update
[16:44] <Trevinho> Laney: we've some important fixes to land which are ready since some days... I would have loved to do an SRU on day-0 (today), but it seems not doable, so for when can we prepare the first one?
[16:44] <Trevinho> seb128: also ^
[16:45] <gatox> kenvandine, i'll take a look at the code, but the auto download and some other things can not be properly reproduce on desktop
[16:45] <Laney> Trevinho: you can upload it whenever and it'll get reviewed whenever ;-)
[16:45] <kenvandine> gatox, yeah... not easy to confirm a fix
[16:45] <Laney> Probably Tuesday at the earliest now
[16:45] <Laney> make sure you have a proper SRU bug attached to it
[16:45] <Laney> gatox: you should get hold of a device if you can
[16:45] <Laney> speak to thostr
[16:45] <Trevinho> Laney: yes, what's the plan I mean? We prepare SRU builds on CI-train as always?
[16:46] <Laney> I don't know how that works
[16:46] <Laney> maybe a CI train person can tell you
[16:46] <Trevinho> ok
[16:47] <Trevinho> Laney: this is another quite high btw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1308850 (with the classic one-liner fix)
[16:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1308850 in Unity "Dash is visible on top of the lockscreen after screen monitor auto locks" [High,In progress]
[16:47] <Laney> Maybe some SRU team people will be around tomorrow or so to help with processing stuff
[16:47] <gatox> Laney, i already did, but i don't think that is going to be happen for now
[16:47] <Laney> the release team kind of hands over to them after the thing is out
[16:48] <Laney> there's overlap in personnel, of course
[16:48] <didrocks> Laney: if you review the scope click in unapproved (just to not have it laying there for weeks) I'll answer to Trevinho! Deal? :p
[16:48]  * didrocks starts a black trade market
[16:49] <Trevinho> ahah ;D
[16:49]  * Laney runs
[16:49] <didrocks> Laney: not fast enough, caught you! :)
[16:49] <didrocks> Trevinho: joke apart, just do as usual, but ensure you have bug fixes only and attach a SRU bug to it
[16:49] <didrocks> Trevinho: I would advise to not diverge your branches until you introduce the first feature which will go to U
[16:50] <didrocks> (we will ensure things going to trusty-updates will be copied of u)
[16:50] <didrocks> and the train is looking at trusty-updates as the final destination
[16:50] <didrocks> making sense?
[16:54] <Trevinho> didrocks: yes, we actually prefer not to use a different branch from trunk for the next weeks since we mostly have bug-fix only things
[16:54] <Trevinho> didrocks: also if they won't be all 1-line fixes, I tell you :P
[16:55] <Trevinho> didrocks: but the LTS deserves them
[16:56] <didrocks> Trevinho: only fixes ;)
[16:57] <Trevinho> didrocks: fixes they are... :)
[16:57] <seb128> Trevinho, you can land a SRU whenever you get it ready
[16:57] <seb128> not sure when it's going to be reviewed/approved in the queue then
[16:59] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, but now that we've the CI-train, do we need to prepare the packages on the PPA, then request the SRU with them and when approved we can upload it?
[16:59] <Trevinho> seb128: or what? As before we had a different way to deploy stuff and distro was taking care of the upload as well
[17:01] <Laney> The train can upload the SRU, that's what didrocks just said
[17:01] <Laney> so just do it as new-normal
[17:02] <bregma> Trevinho, uploads are automatic but the SRUs will still need review in the queue before it can migrate out of the -proposed pocket
[17:02] <bregma> as I understand it
[17:02] <Trevinho> bregma: yeah, that's the same I got
[17:03] <Laney> yep
[17:03] <Laney> they often don't have the fastest turnaround so there might be increased silo pressure ...
[17:03] <Laney> we'll see
[17:03] <bregma> once we shift aways from landing everything in trunk, it gets murkier
[17:03] <didrocks> Laney: I can do the double copy trick
[17:03] <didrocks> let's see how it goes
[17:04] <Laney> these updates sound important enough to be done quickly anyway
[17:04] <didrocks> yeah
[17:04] <bregma> either we'd need to do old-fasioned dput upploads or ci-train would need to evolve
[17:04] <Laney> ci bullet train
[17:04] <bregma> one bullet
[17:04] <Laney> nah, ci tgv
[17:04] <Trevinho> lol
[17:04] <Laney> then i'd get to hear their cool jingle every day
[17:06] <didrocks> ta ta' TA
[17:21] <ogra_> didrocks, can you record that ? i want that as my alarm sound for the landing meeting :)
[17:22] <didrocks> ogra_: ahah, sure!
[18:27] <davmor2> mvo_: oh I like apt list I'll keep that :)
[18:28] <mvo_> davmor2: :) great to hear
[18:28] <mvo_> davmor2: I hope I can smugle in tab completion via a SRU for apt and its new commands
[18:29] <davmor2> mvo_: let me file a bug to say it's missing then it's not a feature it's a bug fix right :D
[18:29] <mvo_> davmor2: haha, true!
[18:33] <davmor2> mvo_: pressie https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1309141
[18:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1309141 in apt (Ubuntu) "Apt is missing tab complete on things like list search etc" [Undecided,New]
[18:35] <mvo_> davmor2: very nice, thank you
[19:17] <sarnold> Sweetshark: the trusty release notes say libreoffice now has "document search for left-to-right languages " -- should that be right-to-left? searching in ltr languages seems like something that would have worked two decades ago :)
[21:33] <Laney> haha! seb128 did one more upload than me this cycle
[21:34] <stgraber> Laney: where are the stats again? I thought I had bookmarked that one. (expecting to be pretty far behind this cycle... didn't upload much)
[21:34] <Laney> oh I was querying UDD
[21:35] <stgraber> ah ok, I remember someone had a fancy page with graphs at one point
[21:35] <Laney> but you're right, there are some graphs
[21:35] <Laney> tumbleweed made it
[21:36] <Laney> stgraber: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/ubuntu-activity/
[21:37] <stgraber> that's the one
[21:38] <Laney> xnox uploaded a lot
[21:39] <stgraber> oh yeah, he probably should be top uploader or something considering he's twice in the top10 :)
[21:39] <Laney> indeed
[21:39] <sarnold> :)
[21:39] <xnox> =) stgraber, Laney, and all of us have a few things in the "daily release" slice of the pie as well.
[21:40] <Laney> yeah that's harder to get data out of
[21:40] <stgraber> xnox: that's what you get for changing your name ;)
[21:40] <xnox> stgraber: i know. =) i've tried bribing stefanor, but alas he didn't twiddle the script for the name change.
[21:42] <xnox> mvo is quite high up, given how little time he invested =)
[21:43] <sarnold> hunh, which dialog box did I just interact with?
[21:43] <Laney> I suck at sql
[21:43] <Laney> was trying to make a combined xnox report but I can't get the results to merge
[21:43] <sarnold> it popped up and stole focus just as I hit <enter> in irc...
[21:44] <Laney> erk
[21:44] <Laney> ah there, I had group by wrong
[21:45] <Laney> http://udd.debian.org/~laney/xnox.txt
[21:46] <xnox> Laney: nice =)
[21:48] <sarnold> .. now if only we could get Dimitri and Dmitrijs to work together, just imagine what we could do..
[22:24] <Sweetshark> sarnold: thanks, fixed
[22:25] <sarnold> Sweetshark: thanks :)


[01:04] <wxl> rad backdrop jose :)
[01:04] <jose> :D
[01:09] <wxl> should we point people at existant information to prepare themselves for actually working on the jam or do they usually involve how-to presentations?
[01:11] <jose> will answer on air in a min
[01:12] <wxl> and for that matter, i was sort of thinking of making our loco focused on iso testing and bug triage. should i plan on supplying virtual machines?
[01:12] <wxl> i'm just bring it up as they come. no rush :)
[01:15] <wxl> :)
[01:43] <wxl> thanks everyone!


[00:40] <infinity> wxl: They can happen any time after UI bits are frozen, but before that, it's a bit daft, since your screenshots might not match reality.


[14:38] <dholbach> Day 2 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starts in 22 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[20:11] <TLoT> for apport, when it collects data on the installer on the ISO, when it crashes, does it automatically private the bug?
[20:11] <TLoT> or am i confusing the crash collector with the error reporter?
[20:11] <TLoT> (12.04.1 LTS installer crashed)
[21:00] <yofel> how does one hide upstream bug comments inside a launchpad bug?
[21:00] <yofel> (the imported ones)
[21:22] <hggdh> yofel: I do not think you can
[21:23] <yofel> :/
[21:23] <yofel> well, thanks anyway


[20:32] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue772 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue772 :D


[02:35] <snadge> i got my oneiric box working again.. yay..  by apt-get install unity-2d ;)
[02:35] <snadge> good show old chaps!
[02:36] <snadge> im starting to realise that neither compiz nor metacity is a suitable solution going into the future
[02:36] <snadge> they're old ideas, being bludgeoned into doing new things
[02:37] <snadge> linux desktop needs a way of disabling desktop compositing, when an application grabs the gl context in a window
[02:37] <snadge> similar to how windows does it ;)
[02:37] <snadge> im assuming this and probably a million other things im not aware of, is what has motivated wayland
[03:11] <bjsnider> wayland requires things the proprietary drivers don't have and may never have
[03:11] <bjsnider> so if you use wayland you have to use the most unstable and feature-lacking graphics drivers
[03:12] <rww> meh, radeon's more stable for me than fglrx :P
[03:12] <rww> but in general, indeed.
[03:53] <snadge> my oneiric box is working with unity-2d now.. so im just going to leave it like that
[03:54] <snadge> i think that works better with xbmc anyway.. compiz just gets in the way
[04:55] <Viper550> Okay, just for fun, I threw Oneric in a VM
[05:00] <Viper550> Its looking nice, though the switch to Gnome 3 has crippled thing
[05:00] <Viper550> s
[09:50] <timClicks> i upgraded to oneiric, however the gnome-appearance-properties executable isn't on the system
[09:51] <bazhang> !info gnome-appearance-properties
[09:52] <bazhang> gnome-control-center   <---- in that timClicks
[09:53] <timClicks> bazhang, ty.. the "appearances" menu is missing...
[09:54] <bazhang> capplets-data  <---- timClicks what about that
[09:55] <timClicks> from bash?
[09:57] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install capplets-data
[10:17] <robin0800> bazhang, if i use that command it says its been replaced by gnome control centre
[10:39] <antihero> Argh, Musicbrainz Picard utterly destabilises my system in Oneiric
[10:39] <antihero> I'm not even sure how, even killing the process doesn't help that much
[12:09] <gunni_> I just upgraded to oneiric and now my desktop does not start. When starting in recovery console mounting of root partition fails and gets mounted readonly. When trying to remount it fails with "cannot change data mode on remount" Any Ideas?
[12:16] <jamesbond2> gunni_: are you getting black screen?
[12:18] <Stoken> *klopf klopf*
[12:20] <Stoken> wenn ich mit firefox surfe, kann ich keine anderen Anwendungen daraus öffnen.  On ctrl+Alt+F7 i get the kubuntu boot splash screen
[12:25] <jamesbond2> there is a bug with mountall https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/mountall/+bug/807306
[12:26] <penguin42> gunni_: When you say the splash screen is on f7 - do you mean the boot splash or do you mean the login (kdm) screen ?
[12:30] <Stoken> hey guys whats going on, iǘe one question?
[12:30] <Stoken> does exist an offtopic ubuntu channel in english, can some one give me add ?
[12:32] <gunni_> penguin42: The boot splash, it does not get to kdm
[12:33] <penguin42> gunni_: OK, then I don't think it's 807306 - that normally gets to kdm and doesn't let you do anything
[12:34] <penguin42> gunni_: Can you go back to what's happening in your recovery console
[12:35] <gunni_> pengui42: Sorry i dont understand your question.
[12:35] <Stoken> iǘe got ubuntu 10.10 on my netbook, if i opened firefox, i can´t use my menulist for opening other apps? can someone helps?
[12:35] <penguin42> gunni_: You said when you try recovery that you get a problem with not mounting your filesystem
[12:36] <penguin42> Stoken: This channel is for discussion of 11.10 only, try #ubuntu for older versions please
[12:37] <Stoken> hmm, okay i know, i understand, i think i update ubuntu, and came back with new and other problems, okay?
[12:37] <penguin42> Stoken: If you have problems in 11.10 please come back - but it's alpha and many things break
[12:38] <Stoken> hmmm thats not good, but i think netbooks are dead technologie, better is tablet for this kind of using, mobile Devices!
[12:39]  * penguin42 likes his netbook
[12:42] <Stoken> ^^
[12:42] <gunni_> penguin42: Yes, it at some point stops saying ... ahh wait, i got into fstab with a live cd, deleted the options data=writeback and discard, and now at least the recovery kernel boots ... i now check and bb in few minutes
[12:43] <Stoken> cu dudes, hava nice day,or night, whatever
[12:46] <gunni_> penguin42: So it still does not boot in normal mode, black screen, but i can ssh into it
[12:46] <penguin42> gunni_: OK, which graphics card?
[12:46] <gunni_> nvidia
[12:47] <gunni_> before upgrade with nvidia-blob
[12:47]  * penguin42 doesn't do nvidia himself - I remember yofel saying something about a clash between nouveu and the nvidia driver
[12:48] <penguin42> any other nvidia users about to help gunni_ ?
[12:49] <gunni_> penguin42: But its a good hint. I see errors in Xorg.log, so i will check that.
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:55] <dr_willis> installing the nvidia driver normally blacklists the nouveu driver i think
[12:56] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, really ?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> I reinstalled the nvidia-current driver from the tty yesterday and there was a list of messages saying the novuveau missing something or other
[12:58] <BluesKaj> was missing something
[13:01] <BluesKaj> I think yofel mentioned thathe blacklisted the nouveau and reinstall,ed the nvidia-current because it has priority ...my nvidia driver isn't installed despite my efforts
[13:02] <BluesKaj> nvidia-current , that is
[13:04] <gunni_> pengui42: You gave a good hint. I now uninstalled nvidia-current removed xorg.conf, and can at least log in again. Now i can go on. Still dont know what was causing the mount problem.
[13:08] <dr_willis> nvidia drives shouldent be affecting mounting of devices at all.
[13:08] <dr_willis> magic? :)
[13:10] <dr_willis> i had issues with older versions of nvidia drivers for an older kernel fighting with the newer versions for a different kernel - yesterday..  still not sure why it did it.
[13:12] <gunni_> dr_willis: No, i think that was a second problem not depending on the other.
[13:21] <gunni_> Does anybody has a hint on getting the nvidia-current to work. After installing nvidia-current oneiric still loads nouvea module, and so nvidia gives errors
[13:41] <root_> exit
[13:44] <yofel> if someone sees the folks with nvidia issues again tell them to file a bug, my bug 811701 is supposedly fixed and I personally don't have any issues here anymore.
[13:47] <root_> yofel , here do I blacklist the nouveau driver ?/etc/modules/somefile ?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> forgot that irssi doesn't auto assign your nick at login
[13:51] <yofel> someone added it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[13:51] <yofel> try that
[13:52] <BluesKaj> yofel , thanks ..will try
[14:20] <BluesKaj> ok , nvidia-current is in full use , including desktop effects . I blacklisted the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau driver...thanks yofel :)
[14:21] <yofel> :D
[14:22] <BluesKaj> wonder why the blacklist is required tho...is there a bug filed on this?
[14:25] <yofel> well, mine was duped, file a new one
[14:27] <BluesKaj> yofel, what about just filing the workaround on the same bug
[14:27] <Daekdroom> I think it's the nvidia-current driver that should blacklist nouveau
[14:28] <Daekdroom> Or Xorg should try to load them in a proper order.
[14:28] <yofel> BluesKaj: mine's *closed*, so no point in doing that
[14:28] <BluesKaj> ok yofel
[14:28] <yofel> Daekdroom: it does, but that for some reason isn't picked up
[14:28] <yofel> (maybe because the blacklist file is a symlink)
[15:33] <David12> Is kernel 3 available in any Ubuntu flavour ?
[15:36] <Ian_Corne> yes
[15:37] <BluesKaj> David12,  this one
[15:38] <BluesKaj> David12, correction 3.0 was released a day or 2 ago , officailly
[15:38] <David12> it comes with alpha 2
[15:38] <David12> it's all good.
[15:40] <_gunni_> The acutal kernel in Ubuntu 11.10 is 3.0-rc7, so its nearly 3.0
[15:43] <David12> which is still 3 so don't be so pedantic
[15:44] <BluesKaj> we always have correction trolls hanging around
[15:44] <David12> uhm
[15:44] <David12> i think we call those the sterotypical linux users
[15:45] <David12> you know much about developing for android under linix ?
[15:45] <David12> linbux*\
[15:45] <David12> fffuuuu
[15:45] <BluesKaj> nope , these guys don't help much , they sit there waiting to jump on some trivial mistake
[15:46] <David12> uhmm
[15:46] <David12> i'm looking to buy a laptop
[15:46] <BluesKaj> I don't mind being corrected for a meaningful mistake
[15:46] <David12> totally baffled on what to buy
[15:47] <BluesKaj> David12, make sure the wifi and graphics are ubuntu friendly , like broadcom and nvidia. stay away fro intel peripheral hardware
[15:48] <David12> It's going to be running Gentoo
[15:48] <BluesKaj> ok, well if you like hair shirts :)
[15:49] <David12> GFX dont concern me much
[15:49] <David12> WIFI does though, needs to be linux friendlu
[15:49] <David12> friendlz
[15:49] <David12> omg.
[15:49] <BluesKaj> this isn't a gentoo support channel..go ask them
[15:50] <David12> who asked for Gentoo support ?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> uhm ..
[16:00] <_gunni_> Hey, i am no "correction troll" .. just wanted to help, as i for example depend on a fix that got into the kernel after 3.0-rc7, but it seems stereotypical for linux users to insult people ...
[16:07] <BluesKaj> _gunni_, don't be insulted , most ppl don't go into that much detail (hence my comment and I've been called worse names myself)) ...anyway 3.0 is officially released so the problem should be fixed by now
[18:56] <vince> im installing some packages from apt-get and from source tgz's
[18:56] <vince> is this dangerous in the long run?
[18:58] <penguin42> vince: Depends what source tgz's - things can get a bit confused if you overwrite bits of the apt packages with stuff you build from source
[19:04] <vince> im trying to do ruby on rails install, and the tut says it would prefer to use a more recent version of ruby
[19:05] <penguin42> vince: Look to see if there is a backport
[19:06] <yofel> as long as you remember what you used from what it's ok, things installed in /usr/local will override stuff installed in /usr - even if /usr/local has an older version than the system
[19:10] <vince> ok im just concerned that the source install wont be recognized by the package manager and maybe things could get ugly
[19:11] <gnomefreak> is anyone else having fglrx issues? not working at all kind of issues
[19:12] <gnomefreak> also looks as if zeitgeist-daemon is still crashing
[19:14] <gnomefreak> if anyone has ideas on ati 3d drivers other than fglrx please let me know
[19:22] <utusan> looks like not all apps are showing up and even search shows none.  I installed clementine and there is a clementine.desktop
[19:22] <utusan> how do you refresh this list? which file is this search looking at?
[19:27] <gnomefreak> anyone see this? http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2011/05/ubuntu-1110-will-provide-post-release.html
[19:30] <gnomefreak> utusan: not sure in unity in gnome2.x you could refresh menus IIRC
[19:30] <gnomefreak> brb smoke and think
[19:31] <utusan> applications I have removed are still showing up so I know it didn't refresh
[19:31] <utusan> gnomefreak, do you which file/folder it looks at?
[19:32] <utusan> *know
[19:34] <coz_> where are we today with nvidia  ?
[19:35] <yofel> WFM, but people still get issues with it it seems
[19:35] <coz_> yofel,  oh ok,, darn,, no unexpected I suppose,, I can wait :)
[19:35] <coz_> sorry
[19:36] <chat4life> yeah having problems wit ubuntu 11.04 so what's up with ubuntu 11.10
[19:36] <coz_> yofel,  thought you were speaking to me
[19:36] <chat4life> with
[19:36] <yofel> coz_: I was actually ^^
[19:36] <coz_> yofel,  ah ok then my statement stands :)
[19:38] <gnomefreak> utusan: no sorry
[19:39] <gnomefreak> yofel: any chance you know where i can get working fglrx drivers? either of the X PPAs have it manybe
[19:39] <coz_> chat4life,  well being alpha 2,, Iw ould expect problems at this point
[19:39] <yofel> gnomefreak: I did hear about the driver discussion around UDS, like this we can at least get bugfixes for the drivers in
[19:40] <gnomefreak> yofel: about the upgradable drivers after release?
[19:40] <yofel> yes
[19:40]  * gnomefreak needs working fglrx drivers now though
[19:40] <yofel> from my general channel observation you're not the only one with fglrx issues
[19:41] <gnomefreak> it looks like fglrx brings in the Radeon drivers. so for 3d fglrx is the only choice
[19:44] <gnomefreak> is it me or does everyone have a blank "startup apps" window?
[19:44] <nit-wit> gnomefreak, it is till you add stuff
[19:45] <nit-wit> gnomefreak, sorry wrong answer.
[19:45] <nit-wit> thought I was on #windows. Doh
[19:48] <gnomefreak> it used to have items in it that you were able to disable/enable but looks like being blanks enables everything and from the window there doesnt see a way to disable an app just add them or edit the command you used
[19:52] <trism> gnomefreak: lp 803917
[19:53] <gnomefreak> trism: thanks
[19:55] <gnomefreak> crap unity crashed now i have no window controls :( i guess ill be back soon
[19:58] <gnomefreak> i lost the reboot option from the shutdown menu
[19:59] <coz_> are we going onto gnome3 this coming release?
[20:01] <gnomefreak> we started trasition in natty
[20:01] <gnomefreak> unity == gnome3
[20:01] <chat4life> hate ubity & gnome 3
[20:01] <gnomefreak> well sort of anyway
[20:01] <chat4life> unity
[20:02] <coz_> gnomefreak,  ah ok
[20:03] <gnomefreak> ok i lost restart option i lost my name in the upper panel and i gained a battery icon that i dont need on a desktop
[20:03] <gnomefreak> simple little things i miss
[20:19] <rww> nice. I booted a Kubuntu daily ISO and the first thing I see is "We are sorry, Kwin closed unexpectedly..."
[20:22]  * gnomefreak cant find greasemonkey in the archives :(
[20:23] <rww> I'd imagine it got removed in the Great Mozilla Plugins Purge
[20:24] <rww> yup, looks like
[20:24] <gnomefreak> hmmmm i should have been emailed about that
[20:24] <rww> happened back in January
[20:24] <gnomefreak> oh  thanks
[20:36] <coz_> apparently on gnome3  ctrl+alt+delete no longer brings up t he shutdown dialog UI  but rather the log off   dialog ui,, any keybinding/ command to bring that up?
[20:51] <gnomefreak> hit it 2x and it will reboot system
[21:10] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:19] <gnomefreak> wth
[21:22] <BUGabundo> hey hey gnomefreak
[21:22] <gnomefreak> hi BUGabundo  ill be back a bit later
[21:47] <jakemp> When I add an external 1920x1200 monitor to my 1600x900 laptop, I get a black bar along the top third of my laptop screen.
[21:47] <jakemp> using HD3000 graphics on a Lenovo T420
[21:54] <dr_willis> seeing a dead zone? of 1920-1600 pixles tall? (320 pixles?)
[21:54] <dr_willis> You could try the monitors tool and see if you can aligh the 2 monitors at the top.
[22:03] <jakemp> They are aligned at the top, I can always see all of the menus and use them
[22:03] <jakemp> I can see the cursor
[22:04] <jakemp> but when i move a window to the black space or the second monitor, It goes behind the black
[22:12] <dr_willis> sounds like a dead zone.. but ive never had it do that befor. I only use Nvidia cards however.
[22:12] <dr_willis> the black zone is on the smaller of the 2 monitors also?
[22:13] <jakemp> yes
[22:14] <dr_willis> if you drag a window to the black space.. does it go behind the black also?
[22:15] <jakemp> yes
[22:15] <jakemp> but the cursor is always visible
[22:16] <dr_willis> sounds like some program/window may be actually 'on top' of the others...
[22:16] <dr_willis> want to try a more radical test? :)
[22:16] <jakemp> might it crash my machine?
[22:17] <dr_willis> install a totally different window manager like 'icewm' and see if it has teh same issue with icewm, or try some other window managers. It may be a driver bug. in which case it should affect them all the same..
[22:17] <trism> jakemp: possibly related to lp 808685 I see the same thing when I change monitors in unity lately, it doesn't affect unity-2d or the various gnome sessions here though
[22:17] <dr_willis> You are running  alpha software.. it can crash at any time. :)
[22:17] <dr_willis> trism:  so it seems to be a Unity specific issue then?
[22:18] <trism> dr_willis: unity or compiz would be my guess
[22:18] <dr_willis> that was the point of my tests. to try to narrow it down to being a unity issue.
[22:21] <jakemp> gonna try a new WM
[22:21] <jakemp> but I moved to the alpha mostly because it was more stable than 11.04 was
[22:22] <dr_willis> i noticed that also.. :) sort of scary
[22:23] <trism> jakemp: lp 810971 seems to have a similar issue too, and more lively discussion
[22:24] <jakemp> Also, clicking on a link/or right clicking->open in browser doesn't work in XChat
[22:27] <jakemp> It works in unity 2D
[22:27] <jakemp> no bar, second screen is fully usable.
[22:33] <dr_willis> Hmm. if i fullscreen firefox here. it goes all white.
[22:33] <jakemp> Okay, back to unity 3D, I had the second monitor plugged in when I logged out and back in, now everything works.
[22:38] <jakemp> dr_willis, I had a similar issue on my old nvidia laptop, but with all of my applications
[22:38] <dr_willis> Just a quick Q. is the default firefox theme like all pale and washed out looking to you? Seems rather Ugly here. I thought im using the defaults..
[22:39] <nit-wit> how about a screenshot
[22:42] <dr_willis> Hmm - when i fullscreen other apps now - they go all white on me also..
[22:42] <dr_willis> screenshot comming up.
[22:42] <dr_willis> !screenshot
[22:43] <dr_willis> http://imagebin.org/164707
[22:47] <nit-wit> I removed the onerirc yesterday I had but I use the silvermel addon most of the time, does look funky.
[22:47] <dr_willis> even the gnome file manager looks weird..
[22:47] <dr_willis> http://imagebin.org/164708
[22:48] <dr_willis> been exploring dark themes for firefox to make it even readable in the menus and stuff. but the web sites evebn look washed out/fonts all grey on white
[23:09] <jakemp> My screenshot doesn't look like the screenshots of lp 810971 or lp 808685 http://imagebin.org/164713
[23:09] <jakemp> should I make a post it on the one that looks closest to mine?