[12:03] <Nacholugli> hy
[12:03] <Nacholugli> how i can update kde?
[12:12] <nox> Hey
[12:13] <bryan> hi all
[12:13] <nox> Hi
[12:14] <nox> I am having trouble with changing my display manager. Can anyone help me?
[12:14] <canen> nox, maybe
[12:14] <nox> canen: =)
[12:15] <nox> I want something called Entrance login manager installed, but when I use that start command, it doesn't work. Not even from CLI right now it seems 0_o
[12:15] <nox> I think I might need that app reinstalling
[12:16] <canen> what error message do you get?
[12:16] <nox> Nothin
[12:16] <nox> g*
[12:16] <nox> No output whatsoevery
[12:16] <nox> -y*
[12:16] <canen> what is in /etc/X11/default-display-manager?
[12:16] <nox> I seem to be mistyping a lot tonight ;) Sorry about that.
[12:16] <nox> Uhm, just a sec
[12:16] <canen> i am not even sure if that is used
[12:17] <nox> /opt/e17/bin/entrance
[12:17] <nox> And before it was /usr/bin/kdm, where KDM worked
[12:18] <canen> maybe entrance just isn't working
[12:18] <nox> canen: Indeed. That seems to be the problem. I get that fixed first ;)
[12:19] <canen> having some network config problems here
[12:19] <nox> canen: Oh?
[12:19] <nox> What sort?
[12:19] <canen> i can connect to the internet but i have to use dhcpclient
[12:20] <nox> 0_o
[12:20] <canen> kubuntu did not find an iterface
[12:20] <nox> Well, thats not good. Got some weird card?
[12:20] <canen> and apache, svn and such don't work,connection timeout
[12:20] <canen> on G3
[12:20] <nox> =(
[12:20] <canen> debian worked fine before
[12:21] <iNiku> canen: what do you mean, kubuntu did not find an interface?
[12:21] <nox> I don't know what I should say, really, I aint great at Linux networking. If it had been Windows, I could help, but not Linux.. =[
[12:21] <iNiku> there's got to be an interface if dhclient works and you have internet connectivity
[12:21] <canen> iNiku: sorry, i meant device
[12:22] <nox> brb
[12:22] <canen> never said there wasn't one just saying what kubuntu is saying
[12:22] <holli> hi
[12:22] <canen> hey
[12:22] <holli> i need some help with cups on dapper
[12:22] <holli> it seems that its broken
[12:22] <holli> it always ask me for a password but nothing is accepted
[12:22] <holli> any hints?
[12:23] <iNiku> canen: you mean the kde network config tool tells you you have no interfaces so you run dhclient manually?
[12:23] <canen> holli: sorry
[12:23] <canen> yeah
[12:23] <pipitas> no idea what your Dapper setup is -- but it may keep asking because the password is not *set* at all
[12:23] <holli> canen: ?
[12:24] <pipitas> holli: try "lppasswd -a root" to set the password first
[12:24] <pipitas> holli: or "lppasswd -a your_user_name"
[12:24] <canen> iNiku: i get this when trying to (re)start networking
[12:24] <canen> * Reconfiguring network interfaces...                                                       ifdown: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory
[12:24] <canen> ifup: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory
[12:25] <canen> sorry about the mess, does kubuntu have a pastebin?
[12:25] <iNiku> canen: hmm, that is strange. I'm not sure who or what creates that file
[12:25] <iNiku> !tell canen about pastebin
[12:26] <iNiku> do you have the /var/run/network directory?
[12:26] <holli> i had tried that but no success
[12:26] <canen> iNiku: nope
[12:27] <canen> but i don
[12:27] <canen> 't know what creates it either :)
[12:27] <goldenear>  I've made a .deb package for the latest version of Twinkle. The issue is that the package doesn't automatically create an entry/icone in the kde menu.
[12:27] <iNiku> canen: what about /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:27] <goldenear> what's the best way to do it ?
[12:28] <canen> iNiku: yeah, i have that. had to edit manually
[12:28] <iNiku> canen: okay, can you pastebin it?
[12:28] <holli> the cups error log says: cupsdAuthorize: pam_authenticate() returned 7 (Authentication failure)!
[12:29] <canen> iNiku: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13805 nothing special in it
[12:29] <canen> pretty standard
[12:30] <holli> could it be that the package is broken in kubuntu dapper?
[12:30] <pipitas> holli: what *action* do you want to conduct when it asks you the password?
[12:30] <iNiku> canen: yeah, looks good. but even if you try ifup eth0 manually, you get the same error?
[12:30] <canen> iNiku: yep
[12:30] <holli> i would delete a printer at web interface
[12:31] <holli> then i tried various usernames/password
[12:31] <pipitas> holli: post the output of  "grep -v ^# /etc/cups/cupsd.conf|grep -v ^$" to a paste service
[12:31] <iNiku> canen: hmm. you do have /var/run, though?
[12:31] <holli> my user, root (i had tried to set a password there), lpadmin, ...
[12:31] <iNiku> canen: what does ls -ld /var/run say?
[12:32] <canen>  yes it exists
[12:32] <pipitas> holli: post the output of  "grep -v ^# /etc/cups/cupsd.conf|grep -v ^$" to a paste service [it will contain your cupsd.conf without the comments]
[12:32] <canen> iNiku: owned by root and others can read and enter
[12:33] <holli> http://pastebin.com/712497
[12:33] <iNiku> canen: writable by root, too?
[12:33] <canen> yes
[12:34] <canen> iNiku: could resolv.conf be the culprit?
[12:34] <HymnToLife> iNiku> root can write everything anyway
[12:34] <HymnToLife> even files CHMODed to 000
[12:34] <goldenear> could somebody help me ?
[12:35] <iNiku> canen: no
[12:35] <goldenear> does anybody here has ever made a .deb ?
[12:35] <HymnToLife> !justask
[12:35] <ubotu> - Ask your question and we'll try to answer it.
[12:36] <iNiku> canen: try creating the directory manually
[12:36] <iNiku> and then try ifup/down
[12:36] <goldenear>  I've made a .deb package for the latest version of Twinkle. The issue is that the package doesn't automatically create an entry/icone in the kde menu.
[12:37] <goldenear> how to do it ?
[12:37] <iNiku> I just straced ifup, seems it expects the directory to be there
[12:37] <HymnToLife> goldenear> then create it yourself, if you know the command to run
[12:37] <goldenear> do I have to add the .desktop file by hand in the .deb ?
[12:37] <iNiku> it just tries to create the file but if the directory is missing, it won't create it
[12:37] <ClayG> what is the right way to install a printer?
[12:37] <goldenear> HymnToLife: what do you mean ?
[12:38] <HymnToLife> goldenear> you can ask shortcuts to run commands in your menus can't you ?
[12:38] <HymnToLife> !tell ClayG about printer
[12:39] <canen> iNiku: it worked
[12:39] <canen> iNiku: thanks
[12:39] <iNiku> canen: cool :)  would be interesting to know what happened to your /var/run/network in the first place, though
[12:40] <canen> iNiku: that's just one of many issues i had
[12:40] <iNiku> new install?
[12:40] <iNiku> or did you upgrade from breezy or something?
[12:41] <goldenear> HymnToLife: at the moment, I've made a twinkle.desktop file and put it in /usr/share/applications
[12:41] <canen> upgraded from debian, had problems, reinstalled keeping the home dirs intact
[12:41] <goldenear> HymnToLife: but I would like the .deb to do it for me when installing
[12:41] <HymnToLife> hmm
[12:42] <iNiku> canen: reinstalled breezy?
[12:42] <iNiku> or dapper?
[12:42] <canen> dapper
[12:42] <iNiku> you have homes on a separate partition, so you basically did a clean install?
[12:42] <iNiku> (not sure if there even is any other way...)
[12:42] <canen> i am still having the timestamp is future problem with sudo
[12:43] <canen> yeah it was clean
[12:43] <iNiku> and this is right after the reinstall?
[12:43] <canen> what was?
[12:43] <iNiku> your problems
[12:43] <HymnToLife> canen> take a DeLorean :D
[12:43] <canen> :)
[12:43] <canen> iNiku: yeah
[12:44] <brandon_> is there a quick way to refresh the k menu so that new applications appear?
[12:44] <iNiku> canen: no updates or anything like that?
[12:44] <canen> no, couldn't do anything
[12:44] <iNiku> wow, strange
[12:44] <HymnToLife> canen> seems something changed the system clock
[12:44] <canen> i had to use the rescue option at  boot and chroot to give the root user a password
[12:45] <iNiku> so sudo isn't working at all?
[12:45] <canen> HymnToLife: it's a know problem, let me see if i can find the bug report
[12:45] <canen> iNiku: it does
[12:45] <holli> annay idea
[12:45] <holli> ??
[12:45] <canen> after each reboot i have reset the clock as root before sudo works
[12:46] <iNiku> canen: do you have some files in /var/run/sudo with strange timestamps perhaps?
[12:46] <iNiku> canen: rm -rf /var/run/sudo/* as root
[12:47] <iNiku> see if that does anything... although it's possible that it happens at bootup anyway, dunno
[12:47] <canen> could be the problem but i won't know until i reboot
[12:47] <iNiku> what do you change your clock to?
[12:47] <canen> i just change the time
[12:47] <canen> let me find the report
[12:48] <iNiku> to some time in the future?
[12:48] <canen> no, to the current time
[12:48] <HymnToLife> yeah but in comparison to the old one
[12:48] <iNiku> and does date show a time in the past before you do that?
[12:48] <HymnToLife> in the past I think rathr
[12:48] <canen> iNiku: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/28961
[12:48] <canen> same issue
[12:49] <iNiku> you're on a mac?
[12:49] <canen> yeah
[12:49] <canen> i am more concerned about apache not working :)
[12:50] <iNiku> canen: so what did you answer to the bios clock in UTC question when installing?
[12:51] <canen> i used the live cd
[12:51] <iNiku> or does it really not ask that on a mac?
[12:51] <canen> no it's not
[12:51] <canen> i did set it to no in in /etc/default/rcS
[12:52] <iNiku> have you tried with both yes and no?
[12:52] <iNiku> and does it make any difference?
[12:52] <canen> it was yes before
[12:52] <canen> and no, it doesn't
[12:53] <iNiku> hmm.
[12:53] <iNiku> okay, I'm clueless.
[12:53] <iNiku> what's the problem with apache?
[12:53] <ZankLappy> Anyone will to help me fix problems with my laptop display being rendered slightly to high? IE: My taskbar is 10 pixels above the bottom of the screen and my maximized windows are cut off at the top.
[12:54] <canen> connection timing out
[12:54] <goldenear> could somebody help me with my .deb file ?
[12:54] <ZankLappy> Wow, I wrote that sentence horribly.
[12:54] <canen> iNiku: to be honest i haven't looked too much into it, was busy (work)
[12:55] <iNiku> canen: the apache thing?
[12:55] <canen> yeah
[12:55] <canen> ping localhost doesn't work
[12:55] <canen> that makes no sense
[12:55] <iNiku> how does it not work?
[12:56] <canen> 100% packet loss
[12:56] <iNiku> lo is up, though?
[12:56] <canen> it was
[12:56] <canen> must have messed it up when fixing the earlier error
[12:57] <iNiku> hehe. ping localhost working now?
[12:57] <canen> :)
[12:57] <ZankLappy> Is there a bot in here that can help me get proper codecs installed? I was referred to this channel by a friend.
[12:57] <iNiku> ZankLappy: codecs for what?
[12:57] <iNiku> !nonfree
[12:57] <ubotu> iNiku: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:57] <ZankLappy> video playback
[12:58] <ZankLappy> thanks
[12:58] <iNiku> hmm, what's the keyword again
[12:58] <iNiku> don't thank me yet :)
[12:58] <ZankLappy> lol
[12:58] <canen> iNiku: it's official, I am tired
[12:59] <ZankLappy> !codes
[12:59] <ubotu> ZankLappy: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:59] <iNiku> !restrictedformats
[12:59] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[12:59] <iNiku> ZankLappy: that's the one you want
[12:59] <iNiku> canen: it happens :)
[01:00] <canen> iNiku: i am gonna call it day, here any. heading home
[01:00] <ZankLappy> iNiku: Thanks, for real this time. ;)
[01:00] <canen> thanks a million
[01:00] <iNiku> np :)
[01:00] <canen> cool channel, got to visit more often
[01:01] <canen> i am off
[01:01] <iNiku> yeah, lots of helpful people here
[01:01] <ZankLappy> wow, that page is a lot of work...
[01:01] <ZankLappy> I am going to hafta tackle that over the weekend
[01:01] <iNiku> ZankLappy: you can be selective about it. there's everything there
[01:01] <ZankLappy> sweet
[01:02] <ZankLappy> My display on my laptop is being rendered too high
[01:02] <ZankLappy> any ideas on how to fix it? I already tried all the settings in the control
[01:03] <iNiku> which laptop and what's the video card in it?
[01:03] <iNiku> have you tried searching the ubuntu wiki?
[01:03] <ZankLappy> Drawn is a better word to describe it. The taskbar is too high off the bottom of the display causing the top of my windows hard to use since they are off screen
[01:04] <ZankLappy> gateway laptop
[01:04] <ZankLappy> ati mobility
[01:05] <ZankLappy> this is an old laptop, pentium 3
[01:05] <iNiku> so your whole display is offset vertically?
[01:05] <winXperts> question, anyone has a deb for scribus 1.3.3?
[01:06] <iNiku> ZankLappy: did you search the ubuntu wiki? another place to look could be www.linux-laptops.net
[01:06] <iNiku> sorry, www.linux-laptop.net
[01:07] <chip42> i ended up choosing my laptop based on those reports. great resource :)
[01:07] <ZankLappy> iNiku: correct, the whole screen is offset. I will try those two
[01:07] <ZankLappy> I lucked out with this one: $15
[01:07] <iNiku> not bad :)
[01:07] <iNiku> chip42: yeah, lots to read though
[01:07] <pipitas> holli: ping
[01:08] <ZankLappy> specially since my last laptop was a pentium 1 with 64 mb of ram
[01:08] <iNiku> chip42: I just checked. there are like 15 entries for my laptop model in there :)
[01:08] <chip42> iNiku: thats the method i used.. i already had a brand / price in mind.. i went through the list and looked for something with lots of successes :)
[01:09] <ZankLappy> http://jrv.oddones.org/solo.html   <---- My new laptop
[01:09] <iNiku> hehe
[01:09] <winXperts> what type of solo is it?
[01:09] <iNiku> too bad you still have to be so careful when choosing hardware for linux
[01:10] <iNiku> although things have come a long way in the past few years
[01:11] <ZankLappy> yes they have
[01:11] <ZankLappy> leaps and bounds
[01:12] <VideoToaster> Hey everybody, anybody here had trouble with Kaffeine not finding audio CDs? I get "No AudioCD in drive or wrong path to drive." It provides a drop-down, but there are no options in it. Any ideas how to fix it? I'm running Dapper.
[01:16] <ZankLappy> Anyone know of a program that can turn my rt2500 wireless chipset into an AP for linux?
[01:16] <ZankLappy> I know there is softAP for windows
[01:20] <iNiku> ZankLappy: you could set it up yourself if you like
[01:21] <iNiku> but there are probably packages that can do it automatically
[01:21] <ZankLappy> really?
[01:21] <Ahmuck> i need a some assistance removing a package
[01:21] <Ahmuck> i am trying to remove cacti, but i am getting errors and it is not removing entirely
[01:22] <Ahmuck> http://pastebin.com/712578
[01:23] <Ahmuck> what must i do to purge cacti from my system ?
[01:23] <Ahmuck> re-install ?
[01:23] <iNiku> ZankLappy: configure the wifi card into AP (master) mode and configure bridging between it and your wired interface
[01:23] <iNiku> that's about it for a basic AP config
[01:24] <iNiku> never done it myself but it should work
[01:25] <ZankLappy> iNiku: ah, ok. I think my problem is that kubuntu uses the latest greasemonky drivers for the rt2500 chipset and they do not support softAP yet (or ever :( )
[01:26] <VideoToaster> Anybody here had trouble with Kaffeine playing audio CDs?
[01:30] <iNiku> I think you mean serialmonkey, but okay :)
[01:32] <ZankLappy> iNiku: yes, lol
[01:34] <lwizardl> hi
[01:35] <lwizardl> using bash prompt (terminal) how do i add write access to a folder /var/www for a user i keep getting permission denied
[01:36] <ZankLappy> chmod?
[01:36] <lwizardl> i keep getting too few arguments
[01:36] <Ahmuck> today i re-arranged /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:37] <Ahmuck> and when it re-booted, i no longer had a kubuntu option list, only windows
[01:37] <Ahmuck> what did i do wrong ?
[01:37] <iNiku> lwizardl: what's the command you're trying to use?
[01:38] <lwizardl> chown -R <user>
[01:38] <ZankLappy> Thanks for your help iNiku. I need to go. Later!
[01:39] <iNiku> lwizardl: well firstly, that will make the whole directory tree owned by the specified user so no one else will be able to write to it anymore (by default)
[01:39] <farruinn> Hi, how do I make khelpcenter aware of documentation in /usr/local/kde/share/doc?
[01:39] <iNiku> secondly, if that's what you actually want, the syntax is "chown -R <user> <directory>"
[01:40] <lwizardl> its a web server folder all i'm trying to do is make it so i can upload my files to the directory
[01:40] <iNiku> if you want several users to be able to write there, you should use a group
[01:40] <mah> Gn8
[01:41] <lwizardl> i only have 1 user on the pc (me) but how do i do it for a group just in case
[01:41] <iNiku> chgrp -R www-data /var/www
[01:42] <farruinn> I've installed a program from source to /usr/local, but when I run help from the program khelpcenter says the requested helpfile could not be found
[01:43] <iNiku> chmod -R g+w /var/www
[01:43] <iNiku> then add yourself (and any other who need to write there) to the www-data group
[01:47] <lwizardl> iNiku, thanks
[01:48] <farruinn> I tried 'khelpcenter file:/path/to/index.docbook' but it says, "WARNING: Main template file name is empty." - is something missing?
[01:55] <farruinn> meh, I'm reading it in yelp now
[02:09] <spikeb> why doesn't kubuntu use the same style layout for panels as xubuntu and ubuntu?
[02:18] <VideoToaster> spikeb:  That's just not the way KDE lays out its panels by default.  I personally like it the default way.
[02:18] <spikeb> it's a bit jarring coming from the other *ubuntus though
[02:42] <_pedro> Good night everybody
[02:43] <_pedro> I have got a question
[02:43] <_pedro> How can I know my ip adress?
[02:45] <firephoto> _pedro:  <IP_ADDRESS> ? maybe
[02:45] <_pedro> ?
[02:45] <_pedro> I am a newbie
[02:45] <firephoto> _pedro has joined this channel (n=pedro@114.Red-83-44-87.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net).   lol i was just going by this.
[02:45] <_pedro> I mean to the numbers to open ports
[02:46] <_pedro> do you know?
[02:46] <firephoto> if you're connected directly ifconfig should show your ip, or your local ip if you need that
[02:46] <_pedro> I  usually did it in windows with ipconfig command
[02:46] <_pedro> I probed that
[02:47] <_pedro> but I thought the numbers must start with 192....
[02:47] <_pedro> and they don't start like that
[02:47] <_pedro> is it right=
[02:49] <Ahmuck> netstat -l ?
[02:50] <_pedro> well
[02:50] <_pedro> the command show me information
[02:50] <_pedro> but not the one I look for
[02:52] <_pedro> do you know what I mean?
[02:52] <Ahmuck> nmap yourself
[02:52] <_pedro> how?
[02:52] <Ahmuck> http://www.insecure.org/nmap/
[02:53] <Ahmuck> use adept to install nmap
[02:55] <_pedro> I have installed yet
[02:55] <_pedro> What do I must to do?
[02:58] <Ahmuck> use knmap or nmapfe as well
[02:58] <Ahmuck> you would need this
[02:58] <Ahmuck> you did this through adept ?
[03:01] <Ahmuck> Starting Nmap 3.95 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2006-05-11 20:07 CDT
[03:01] <Ahmuck> Interesting ports on localhost (<IP_ADDRESS>):
[03:01] <Ahmuck> (The 1667 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
[03:01] <Ahmuck> PORT     STATE SERVICE
[03:01] <Ahmuck> 80/tcp   open  http
[03:26] <NoobSauce> I have a question regarding kubuntu installation. I tried burning 3 kubuntu CD's (6.06 dapper) and none of them will boot. I've tried a debian netinst which works, and I have the boot order correct and everything, so I'm at a loss at to what the problem could be
[03:26] <NoobSauce> does this version of kubuntu have a problem? Should I try another version?
[03:57] <tokennrg> anyone know a fast kubuntu mirror on the east coast of the US
[04:39] <_john_> hm
[04:39] <_john_> all right so yesterday I upgraded john to kubuntu breezy. Every time a window is minimized it disappears. and I cant find it on the panels. ps aux |grep    still shows the program running but there is no way to get the window back
[04:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> _john_: Are you sure that you have the taskbar applet running?
[04:40] <_john_> is there more than one task bar applet??? got a clock , 4 desktops, and 5 app icons beside the K icon
[04:41] <_john_> a trash can and some other icons up there too
[04:41] <_john_> i even ran the desktop pager but that is of no help
[04:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> Rught click on the panel and press "Add Applet..."
[04:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> Then search for 'taskbar'
[04:42] <_john_> oh joy oh bliss
[04:42] <_john_> so if that wasnt hte task bar already what do you call it?
[04:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> That was a panel.
[04:43] <_john_> so that strip across the top with all the icons is called a panel
[04:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> The panel holds the different applets, which, if you haven't guessed, do different things.
[04:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yep
[04:44] <_john_> hmmm linguistically back wards but that has rarely been reason enough to use the languatge that the audience already understands
[04:45] <_john_> the task bar is broken up into panels some have applets some dont
[04:45] <_john_> icons sitting up there do not make an applet, they are just links
[04:45] <_john_> the trash can is not an applet it is a link to a directory with bells and whistles
[04:46] <_john_> the menu is not an applet its a menu
[04:46] <_john_> which of those things at the top is actually an applet??
[04:47] <_john_> hm the clock? it is active I suppose thus it is doing something
[04:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> The applets are just little things that reside in the panel. The only things that aren't are the program shortcuts
[04:49] <raf> hello all, I want to configure grub to dual boot with 2 hard disks (1 master HD for linux/1 slave HD for windows), I've tried so many way to do that, but windows doesn't boot, only linux
[04:49] <raf> could someone help me?
[04:54] <Ahmuck> raf, i crashed my kubuntu setup by reording my grub/menu.lst
[04:55] <_john_> so this panel concept is foreign to end users , why create such confusion , how often does this get asked about in this channel.
[04:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> _john_: You're the first I've seen.
[04:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> By default the taskbar is already on the panel.
[04:57] <raf> Ahmuck: do you remember me? I do some questions to you
[04:57] <raf> what means "crashed my kubuntu setup"?
[04:58] <_john_> ok so how can I set the 'task bar' to always be on ? should this not be a default setting?
[04:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> Like I said, it is a default setting. Not sure why it wasn't on for you.
[04:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> It should stay on once you put it on.
[04:58] <raf> maybe what happened to you is the same that what happened to me
[05:08] <raf> Ahmuck: are you there?
[05:15] <_john_> hey there before the upgrade to breezy the JuK player worked fine. now with a list displayed, when I click on play , nothing happens
[05:16] <_john_> is aRts for sound config ???
[05:17] <_john_> the aRts control applet wont load
[05:18] <\etc\bin> hi room
[05:19] <_john_> so I just ran amoaroK off the multimedia menu and it tried to load then disappeared, any ideas whats wrong or how I may fix this??
[05:26] <raf> could someone help me with grub?
[05:47] <eimajenthat> howdy
[05:47] <raf> could someone help me with grub?
[05:48] <eimajenthat> just been taking Kubuntu Dapper for a spin.  I like what I see for the most part, but I have a minor question.
[05:50] <eimajenthat> In KSysGuard, when I'm idle, I show most of my system memory as being used by yellow (cached something), is this a function of running in a liveCD, or is this memory not really used?
[05:50] <mustard5> raf, what is the problem?
[05:50] <eimajenthat> or am I using 482 mb to idle?
[05:51] <raf> well
[05:51] <raf> I edited my menu.lst
[05:51] <mustard5> k
[05:51] <raf> to dual drive/dual boot
[05:51] <eimajenthat> uh oh
[05:51] <raf> it doesn't work
[05:51] <raf> linux boot, but windows doesn't
[05:51] <mustard5> raf, can you elaborate on 'doesnt work'?
[05:52] <raf> but now, linux doesn't have network
[05:52] <mustard5> so your changes didnt change anything?
[05:52] <raf> ok, I explain
[05:52] <raf> forget the network stuff
[05:52] <raf> hello all, I want to configure grub to dual boot with 2 hard disks (1 master HD for linux/1 slave HD for windows), I've tried so many way to do that, but windows doesn't boot, only linux
[05:52] <mustard5> k
[05:53] <mustard5> raf, can you pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[05:53] <mustard5> !pastebin
[05:53] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[05:53] <raf> not exactly because i haven't network on linux, so now I'm on windows
[05:53] <mustard5> raf, ah ok
[05:54] <raf> to boot windows I must disconnect phisically the linux drive
[05:54] <mustard5> so did you do the mapping trick with grub to trick windows into thinking it was on the primary drive?
[05:54] <raf> no :!
[05:54] <mustard5> ah well :)
[05:54] <raf> map (hd0) (hd1)?
[05:54] <mustard5> let me pastebin my menu.lst for you persual then :)
[05:55] <raf> ok
[05:55] <raf> I remember a few of my menu.lst, I'll pastebin it
[05:55] <mustard5> I've just included the part relevant to windows...
[05:55] <mustard5> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13822
[05:56] <raf> http://raf.pastebin.com/712905 :$
[05:57] <mustard5> ok..so check mine out for the map stuff
[05:57] <raf> ok
[05:57] <mustard5> you need that part if windows is on the slave
[05:58] <raf> what about a rootnoverify command?
[05:58] <raf> root tries to mount the drive, right?
[05:58] <mustard5> I have no idea...I can look it up in the grub troubleshooting page though
[05:58] <raf> ok
[05:58] <mustard5> I don't have rootnoverify..so I wouldnt think its necessary
[06:00] <mustard5> Similar to root (see root), but don't attempt to mount the partition. This is useful for when an OS is outside of the area of the disk that GRUB can read, but setting the correct root device is still desired. Note that the items mentioned in root above which derived from attempting the mount will not work correctly.
[06:00] <mustard5> thats the stuff on rootnoverify
[06:00] <mustard5> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[06:00] <raf> well, is it posible that if I modify the menu.lst, the networking on linux doesn't work?
[06:01] <mustard5> raf, I can't see how they can be related
[06:01] <raf> it doesn't make sense but that's what happened to me
[06:02] <raf> linux was working perfectly, I edited menu.lst, I installed the second drive, reboot, I choose Linux, and networking doesn't work
[06:02] <mustard5> raf, at this stage I have no idea..try it with new menu.lst options for windows and see how you go
[06:02] <pyrobob> I got a small problem
[06:03] <pyrobob> when I try to run configure files, I get an error saying the C compiler cannot create executables
[06:03] <raf> yes, I'll that, I need dual boot because I need to disconnect and connect the hard drives to acces to linux or windows
[06:03] <mustard5> raf, yeah..not a very practical situation :)
[06:04] <raf> well, I'll be back soon
[06:04] <mustard5> k
[06:04] <raf> thanks
[06:04] <mustard5> pyrobob, sounds beyond my knowledge that one, unfortunately
[06:04] <pyrobob> I remember downloading somthing to fix that on my older HDD (Before I reinstalled Linux on a bigger one)
[06:04] <mustard5> pyrobob, what are you compiling?
[06:04] <pyrobob> but I don't remember what it was
[06:04] <pyrobob> StepMania
[06:05] <mustard5> you asked in #ubuntu?
[06:05] <pyrobob> not yet
[06:05] <pyrobob> was getting ready to though
[06:05] <mustard5> k
[06:26] <raf> I'm back!! I HAVE DUAL DISK / DUAL BOOT / Linux/Windows!!!!
[06:26] <raf> thanks
[06:26] <raf> well, now my network on linux :$
[06:26] <raf> it doesn't work
[06:27] <raf> it was working very well, but not now
[06:28] <macd__> jeez@my wan link rite now
[06:36] <raf> could someone help with linux networking?
[06:36] <glick> hey has anyone played civ4 with cedega?
[06:38] <jmg> guys where has my kopete history gone?
[06:50] <word> My locales install is broken and reconfiguring doesn't work...ideas?
[06:54] <word> Anyone know what i can do to fix my locales install?
[06:55] <_john_> Any suggestions for activating Juk. I recently upgradedto Breezy and know this software wont play the tunes in the play list...
[06:57] <word> Try amarok never used or heard of juk so can't help ya there.
[06:57] <_john_> Thanks will give it try
[06:59] <word> My locales package is broke any ideas...anyone???
[07:03] <crimsun> word: more context, please? breezy? dapper?
[07:06] <word> breezy
[07:07] <crimsun> word: is it a problem with /using/ or /generating/ locales?
[07:08] <word> it's fine it just shows up as broken in apt-get and if i try to update / do anything with adept it wants to remove it
[07:09] <word> i wonder if just upgrading to dapper would fix this? I was thinking of doing it anyway soon. :-/
[07:13] <word> crimsun: you there?
[07:14] <crimsun> word: yes, I'm just hopping between channels (I'm in ~50)
[07:15] <crimsun> word: try ``sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install''
[07:15] <word> sudo apt-get -f install trys to remove it i'll try update
[07:16] <word> crimsun: yah it trys to remove some kde language packages and ubuntu-minimal
[07:17] <crimsun> word: hmph, did you try to install something from outside the K/Ubuntu repos?
[07:18] <word> yes and no :-/ tried installing ircp-tray i believe but it had dependencies outside the kubuntu repos
[07:21] <word> crimsun: installing dapper would fix this...that is if it has an 'upgrade' option :-/ haven't looked into it
[07:23] <crimsun> word: pastebin the entire output from the apt-get -f install command
[07:24] <stevekl> I asked this before but how do I make EVERY SINGLE THING konquerer shows me in detail view?
[07:24] <stevekl> I hate the 'big icon' thing
[07:24] <stevekl> but every time I change the view mode and save the profile it keeps reverting back
[07:26] <word> crimsun: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/712974
[07:27] <word> should probably be asking the people who make konversation that question stevekl
[07:29] <crimsun> word: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:31] <word> crimsun: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/712975
[07:33] <crimsun> hmm, that seems fine
[07:33] <crimsun> you need to remove whatever you installed externally
[07:35] <word> externally?
[07:36] <raf> hi
[07:36] <raf> please, I need help
[07:36] <word> hello
[07:36] <Hobbsee> !+ask
[07:36] <ubotu> Just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model and output of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org is important.
[07:37] <raf> my network is gone
[07:37] <word> is it plugged in?
[07:37] <raf> yes
[07:37] <raf> look,
[07:38] <raf> I boot linux, and type ifconfig
[07:38] <raf> but it returns nothing
[07:38] <raf> so
[07:38] <raf> I type  "ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>" without commas
[07:39] <raf> after that I can access my router
[07:39] <raf> I see that the router is connected to internet
[07:39] <raf> but I can ping any IP nor URL
[07:39] <raf> I can browse
[07:39] <raf> I can't browse
[07:39] <raf> sorry
[07:39] <word> crimsun: Can i  temporarily lose some really important installs and then reinstall them? like ubuntu-minimal?
[07:40] <word> was it working previously?
[07:40] <raf> if i do "ping some_url" it returns "Network is not reachable" but I can access my router at <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:40] <raf> yes, it was working previously
[07:40] <word> what were you doing when it stopped working?
[07:41] <raf> everything I can do,
[07:41] <word> no no what were you doing prior to it stopping working
[07:41] <raf> but It doesn't work
[07:41] <raf> ooh
[07:41] <raf> I edited /grub/menu.lst
[07:41] <raf> yes, it's truth
[07:41] <word> did you try undoing that?
[07:41] <_patrick> Was having a great time with my Kubuntu linux. Then all of a sudden after trying to fetch a repository my Adept Package manager crashed. Now it won't boot up.
[07:42] <raf> I can't do that because I've edited so much :$
[07:42] <word> _patrick: that's really odd..
[07:42] <_patrick> Yea, I never usually have any problems.
[07:42] <word> raf try unplugging your router for 15 seconds (sounds odd but mine stops working all the time and i have to do this)
[07:43] <_patrick> Except a few installation issues.
[07:43] <raf> my router is working properly, I'm connected with that router, but in windows
[07:43] <crimsun> word: yes
[07:43] <crimsun> word: just be sure to reinstall kubuntu-desktop afterward
[07:43] <_patrick> It said to try to type apt- setup and then apt-get to try to restore it.
[07:43] <raf> so, the router is not the problem
[07:44] <word> so the ones listed in the current pastebin aren't entirely nescesary to maintain a functioning system? at least temporarily?
[07:44] <word> first pastebin*
[07:44] <raf> I have dual disk/dual boot linux/windows, In windows does work, in linux doesn't
[07:44] <_patrick> I did and it kept asking for an ubuntu cd. So I put one in and it didn't respond to it.
[07:45] <word> I think there's a repair option on the ubuntu cd? maybe...
[07:46] <word> crimsun: so the ones listed in the first pastebin aren't entirely nescesary to have kubuntu working at least temporarily?
[07:46] <_patrick> Maybe there is, but I've never had to try anything like this before. It has all ran so well.
[07:46] <crimsun> word: they are, but you can reinstall them
[07:46] <raf> word: is there a network repair tool in the Kubuntu CD?
[07:46] <crimsun> word: make sure you back up important stuff first if you're going to dist-upgrade
[07:47] <raf> so, what can I do? can I simply reconfigure the network?
[07:47] <_patrick> I'll check its contents
[07:47] <word> i will what time abouts are you going to be on tommorrow in case I have problems doing this (too late tonight)
[07:47] <word> raf: probably
[07:48] <raf> :O
[07:48] <renato> anybody up?
[07:48] <_patrick> I can't tell for sure from the directory. Is there a way to go back a day or so in the configuration to a clean desktop operation.
[07:48] <stevekl> Does anyone happen to know what username/password windows XP expects when you try to mount, through samba, a share on a windows machine?
[07:48] <raf> could you help me?
[07:50] <renato> stevekl, are you trying to hack into other computers, or is it that you can't access your windows partition?
[07:50] <_patrick> I would hate to do so, but maybe there is a way to download the components of the package manager and reinstall it?
[07:50] <stevekl> renato: Not hacking, it's my dad's machine, and from other windows machines, you can just mount his network share without putting in a username or password
[07:50] <stevekl> and I was wondering why I can't do that from samba, because samba is asking me for a password and all that
[07:51] <renato> I used to have a similar problem, but to access my own windows partition
[07:52] <stevekl> did you ever find out what it was expecting?
[07:52] <renato> the admin password you use when installing windows
[07:53] <bimberi> stevekl: (wildly guessing) "guest" with no password
[07:53] <renato> plus, someone said to me he just unmounted the partition and mounted it back up again
[07:53] <renato> and that did the trick
[07:54] <renato> but yours is a whole different thing
[07:54] <stevekl> Well you'd think it wouldn't involve passwords since another windows machine can mount it without putting in a password
[07:54] <jake_> is there a howto somewhere on modifying the kubuntu initrd?
[07:55] <jake_> I figured out how to extract it, and I made the changes I want, but I'm not sure how to rebuild it
[07:55] <renato> does anyone know if I can use wine to access already installed apps on another partition?
[07:55] <raf> please, help me on configure my network on linux
[07:56] <renato> and not reinstall them in kubuntu
[07:56] <jake_> renato I belive you can, though I haven't tried it
[07:56] <stevekl> renato: Well you can always run the application through SSH
[07:56] <stevekl> You can even run GUI applications through ssh
[07:56] <renato> what's ssh?
[07:57] <stevekl> oh boy
[07:57] <stevekl> secure shell
[07:57] <renato> ha ha
[07:57] <stevekl> it allows you to log into a machine which is running an ssh server
[07:57] <jake_> I just came back from Gentoo, Kubuntu is amazing... grown leaps and bounds in the past few months
[07:58] <jake_> I'm never switching again :)
[07:58] <renato> even solaris sucks next to kubuntu
[07:58] <jake_> just wish I could modify the initrd
[07:58] <jake_> cand find any docs
[07:59] <renato> and let's say I want to run spss, that's on my windows partition, how should I do that?
[07:59] <stevekl> Well actually
[07:59] <stevekl> You said 'partition' and I read 'another machine'
[08:00] <renato> yeah, I thought so
[08:00] <stevekl> so ssh wouldn't work for that
[08:00] <stevekl> sorry
[08:00] <stevekl> it's 2 am :(
[08:00] <renato> it's ok
[08:00] <renato> I found it strange
[08:00] <jake_> renato: why not just try it?
[08:01] <renato> so, my original question was, can I use wine to use apps already installed on a windows partition without having to reinstall here
[08:01] <renato> jake, what would be the correct syntax then?
[08:01] <jake_> just goto the dir your app is in and wine it
[08:02] <jake_> if it doesn't work, then just reinstall it in Linu
[08:02] <jake_> x
[08:02] <renato> k
[08:06] <stevekl> I wonder if I can get 'mount' to use the current logged-in user for the username= field
[08:07] <renato> how do I go back one directory?
[08:07] <renato> cd what?
[08:08] <stevekl> cd ..
[08:08] <renato> doesn't work
[08:08] <stevekl> It should...
[08:08] <stevekl> what do yo mean 'doesn't work'
[08:08] <stevekl> Are you getting a permissions error
[08:09] <stevekl> If you mean 'back one directory' as in 'go UP one directory' then cd ..
[08:09] <stevekl> if you mean, 'go back to the directory I was in before', there's a way to do that but I forget at the moment
[08:09] <stevekl> 'man cd' will tell you how in any case
[08:11] <renato> bash: cd..: command not found
[08:11] <renato> I know
[08:11] <renato> thanks
[08:11] <renato> whole bash isn't working
[08:12] <renato> not even the clear command
[08:12] <renato> man, I swear one day I alone will wipe out the internet
[08:12] <renato> not on purpose of course
[08:16] <renato> bad idea, tremendous load on the machine
[08:16] <renato> lol
[08:17] <renato> it looks for, and tries to import all of the dll libraries that spss uses
[08:18] <renato> the cooler fan went berserk
[08:18] <renato> I think the processor was choking to death
[08:18] <aftertaf> most likely :/
[08:19] <_marek> hello
[08:20] <renato> one of the features that they use to "sell" linux, specially debian based distros is it's impeccable management of power and resources
[08:20] <aftertaf> :)
[08:20] <aftertaf> when it works :P
[08:20] <renato> but I personally think windows does better on this machine
[08:20] <renato> with linux, the fan's almost always running full throtle
[08:21] <renato> and the battery runs out in a few minutes
[08:21] <renato> and it's overall hotter
[08:21] <renato> and I don't mean that in the nice way
[08:21] <_marek> never used linux on a laptop... so i don't know how much it uses
[08:22] <renato> looks nicer and lets me run GRASS natively
[08:22] <renato> big plus
[08:22] <aftertaf> renato, lol. ask on ubuntu... to check your power management is correctly installed....
[08:23] <renato> I'm afraid to touch it
[08:23] <renato> when I try to it stops working and I have to format and re-install the distro
[08:23] <renato> that bad
[08:24] <_marek> whow... what processor do you use
[08:24] <_marek> speed
[08:24] <renato> um 1.4 I think
[08:24] <renato> or around that
[08:25] <renato> it's a cheap celeron one :-)
[08:25] <_marek> well i now use a desktop pc with 1.0 and it works perfect....
[08:25] <aftertaf> i have ubuntu on a 500mhz p3
[08:25] <aftertaf> and it works good.
[08:25] <_marek> k
[08:25] <renato> I know, because I have an old p2, and it works fine there
[08:26] <aftertaf> weird...
[08:26] <_marek> :S
[08:26] <aftertaf> !google linux laptops
[08:26] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, aftertaf
[08:26] <renato> ok
[08:27] <_marek> well... i have to go... see ya
[08:27] <renato> as I said before, one day I'll wipe out the entire internet, by stupidly clicking on the wrong thing
[08:29] <PyroMithrandir> anyone here know how to take a screenshot of the kdm login screen?
[08:30] <HnZeKtO> hi all
[08:31] <maxtor> i need some help
[08:31] <HnZeKtO> is it normal to have 2 procs of kdesktop, kicker and khotkeys?
[08:32] <HnZeKtO> (in a single user env)
[08:32] <maxtor> i install kubuntu when i finished it, i had a error message: checking battery state.. SOMEBODY know something about it??
[08:32] <maxtor> help
[08:32] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, use vnc
[08:34] <raf> could someone help me on my sound card in Kubuntu?
[08:35] <noiesmo> raf, what type of card and whats the issue
[08:36] <raf> the issue: I can't hear anything
[08:37] <raf> type of card: intel 810
[08:37] <raf> lspci returns: 0000:01:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Rockwell International: Unknown device 4310
[08:37] <noiesmo> raf, do lsmod |grep snd
[08:38] <raf> lsmod |grep snd returns nothing
[08:38] <noiesmo> raf, does it show devies using snd
[08:38] <raf> no, it doesn't
[08:39] <noiesmo> raf, your card has not been picked up by kernel no driver loaded
[08:39] <raf> :|
[08:39] <raf> so? what can I do?
[08:39] <raf> how can I load the module? where is it?
[08:39] <raf> sorry, I'm a newbie on linux
[08:39] <noiesmo> raf, you'll have to have a look at alsa site
[08:40] <noiesmo> raf, may be more help there or specific howto on your card
[08:40] <raf> ok
[08:40] <noiesmo> raf, maybe there are issues with that card I'm not 100% sure
[08:41] <aftertaf> intel810 is the chipset of the MoBo....
[08:41] <aftertaf> buildin soundcard?
[08:41] <raf> yes
[08:41] <aftertaf> try dmesg
[08:41] <raf> lspci returns: 0000:01:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Rockwell International: Unknown device 4310
[08:42] <aftertaf> and dmesg?
[08:42] <raf> just type dmesg?
[08:43] <aftertaf> yep
[08:44] <raf> nothing about intel nor snd
[08:44] <raf> dmesg returns nothign about intel nor snd nor sound
[08:45] <aftertaf> :/
[08:45] <raf> dmesg just returns so many lines like this:
[08:45] <raf> [4295882.243000]  atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
[08:45] <raf> [4295882.342000]  atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
[08:45] <scheuri> hi all
[08:46] <noiesmo> raf, what version of kubuntu are you running and kernel
[08:46] <raf> Linux haus 2.6.12-9-386 #1 Mon Oct 10 13:14:36 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:46] <raf> Kubuntu 5.10
[08:47] <metatag> kubuntu rocks
[08:47] <aftertaf> yeah :)
[08:47] <metatag> adept does not!
[08:47] <metatag> :P
[08:47] <aftertaf> raf, i know thers a small risk with this... but i'd upgrade to dapper.....
[08:47] <aftertaf> even at this stage before release i find it stabvler than breezy....
[08:49] <raf> I don't know what are you talking about :D what's breezy and dapper? :\
[08:49] <aftertaf> raf, your current version of ubuntu is breezy.
[08:49] <raf> releases, builds?
[08:49] <aftertaf> you can go to dapper (the next release) before its released.
[08:49] <aftertaf> !dapper
[08:49] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support :)
[08:49] <aftertaf> !breezy
[08:49] <ubotu> Breezy is the current stable version of Ubuntu. If you would like to upgrade to it, the guide to upgrading to Breezy is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[08:50] <aftertaf> i had that keycode problem when on breezy too.
[08:50] <noiesmo> raf, have a look at this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems?highlight=%28sound%29
[08:50] <aftertaf> plus others.......
[08:50] <raf> ooh
[08:51] <raf> noiesmo: ok, I'm going to look at that url
[08:51] <noiesmo> raf, np
[08:52] <raf> ok, so, I have breezy, and I need dapper?
[08:52] <renato> okay, big choice: openoffice; gnumeric, abiword and the whole gnu suite; or Koffice?
[08:52] <raf> If I have breezy, why I should upgrade to    breezy?
[08:53] <aftertaf> raf, IMHO, dapper is more stable than breezy.
[08:53] <raf> oh
[08:53] <renato> I'd wait the month it's gonna take dapper stable to come out
[08:53] <aftertaf> a vote, anyone? :D
[08:54] <renato> wow, it's two am. damn daylight savings
[08:54] <scheuri> aftertaf: is it beta...DO NOT consider it "stable" and recommend it to unaware users (that is my opinion)
[08:54] <aftertaf> where u at?
[08:54] <renato> Guacamole
[08:54] <renato> I mean Guatemala
[08:55] <aftertaf> scheuri, i understand......     just that i find it now, more stable than breezy stable was...
[08:55] <renato> soooo, choice of office suit, anyone?
[08:55] <renato> suite*
[08:55] <aftertaf> with regard to random erros and little config probs...
[08:55] <raf> unware user!
[08:56] <scheuri> aftertaf: that might be possible...yes...but there is still a lot of packages to dl everyday
[08:56] <aftertaf> but i did digress.... nothing  guarantees it will solve your sound pbs, or not break your system...
[08:56] <aftertaf> scheuri, i'll think clearer after this coffee.... :D
[08:56] <renato> debian distros are specialists on breaking systems
[08:57] <raf> I did sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0
[08:57] <raf> but nothing happens
[08:57] <scheuri> aftertaf: heh...;)$
[08:57] <renato> it will probably probe you
[08:57] <renato> lol
[08:57] <renato> sorry, couldn't help it
[08:57] <renato> I apologize
[08:57] <renato> it's years of not sleeping
[08:58] <aftertaf> lol
[08:59] <renato> why do people go gray there >>>>
[08:59] <scheuri> renato: probably when they are "away"
[09:00] <renato> k
[09:00] <renato> thx
[09:01] <renato> is there a livier channel on irc?
[09:02] <renato> well, I hope you all enjoy a pleasant day or night, whatever the case might be
[09:02] <renato> love your kubuntu
[09:03] <renato> and get it fixed, :)
[09:03] <renato> byd
[09:03] <renato> I mean bye
[09:08] <rothgar> I am trying out kubuntu instead of ubuntu and was wondering what a text editor is (sorta like gedit)
[09:08] <aftertaf> kate
[09:08] <aftertaf> kedit?
[09:09] <rothgar> sweet, kate worked
[09:09] <aftertaf> :)
[09:10] <scheuri> kate is able to do more than kedit...fyi
[09:10] <aftertaf> hehe ok.
[09:10] <scheuri> or...is more powerfil
[09:10] <scheuri> powerful
[09:10] <aftertaf> yeah
[09:10] <scheuri> arrr...where is MY coffee...;)
[09:10] <aftertaf> real code editor
[09:10] <rothgar> kedit said command not found
[09:15] <fatejudger> when I log into KDE, it keeps switching screen resolutions for some reason
[09:15] <fatejudger> it's really strange
[09:16] <fatejudger> it also happens when I log out
[09:16] <aftertaf> whats the defrault in xorg?
[09:16] <fatejudger> it's a whole slew of resolutions under default
[09:16] <fatejudger> would you like me just to post the whole xorg.conf?
[09:16] <aftertaf> lol
[09:16] <fatejudger> I'm serious
[09:16] <fatejudger> take a look
[09:16] <fatejudger> hold on
[09:16] <aftertaf> post to #aftertaf
[09:17] <aftertaf> spelt right, though :)
[09:17] <fatejudger> aftertaf: http://pastebin.com/713057
[09:17] <fatejudger> better than flooding a user created channel...
[09:17] <aftertaf> loolking :)
[09:19] <aftertaf>  virtual 1400 1050
[09:19] <fatejudger> virtual?
[09:19] <aftertaf> that is probably why.
[09:19] <fatejudger> that's what needs to be set?
[09:19] <aftertaf> try disabling it and try again
[09:19] <fatejudger> disabling virtual?
[09:19] <aftertaf> no, you have it.
[09:19] <aftertaf> line 136 on pastebin
[09:19] <aftertaf> # it
[09:19] <fatejudger> right, I should comment it out
[09:20] <aftertaf> :)
[09:20] <aftertaf> try...
[09:20] <fatejudger> gotta restart X then
[09:20] <metatag> !seen mornfall
[09:20] <fatejudger> brb
[09:20] <ubotu> mornfall <n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall> was last seen on IRC in channel #kubuntu, 14d 11h 50m 51s ago, saying: 'oneone'.
[09:20] <metatag> sudo shutdown -r now
[09:20] <metatag> sudo rm -rf /
[09:21] <scheuri> metatag: what are you trying to do? list the most inappropriate commands for new users? ;)
[09:21] <metatag> scheuri: am trying these commands on irc
[09:21] <fatejudger> aftertaf: nope, works great
[09:22] <scheuri> metatag: heh...;)
[09:22] <metatag> scheuri: someone told me to try these
[09:22] <fatejudger> aftertaf: wtf
[09:22] <aftertaf> fatejudger, it worked?
[09:22] <fatejudger> aftertaf: that wasn't a complete sentence
[09:22] <metatag> scheuri: I might get op status if i do
[09:22] <fatejudger> aftertaf: nope, but it works great the first time I start X
[09:22] <scheuri> metatag: suuuuure
[09:22] <fatejudger> aftertaf: then it changes resolution
[09:22] <fatejudger> aftertaf: and screws up
[09:22] <metatag> scheuri: nothing happens
[09:22] <aftertaf> what is the best resolution your monitor can do?
[09:23] <fatejudger> aftertaf: it starts at 1024x768, then briefly switches higher, then goes back to normal during the splash screen
[09:23] <fatejudger> aftertaf: once I log out it's permanently messed up though
[09:23] <scheuri> metatag: that is because it isnt supposed to...somebody fooled you badly
[09:23] <fatejudger> aftertaf: I'm not sure
[09:23] <fatejudger> aftertaf: 12something
[09:23] <aftertaf> 1200 * sth?
[09:23] <metatag> scheuri: where do i have to type in these commands?
[09:23] <fatejudger> aftertaf: 1280x1024, maybe bigger
[09:24] <scheuri> metatag: NOWHERE...the second command you had would DELETE everything on your harddisk and the first on would shutdown your machine
[09:24] <rothgar> anyone know how I can test to see if my capture card is installed?
[09:24] <aftertaf> metatag, who gave you those commands?
[09:24] <metatag> whizkidz from #mauritius
[09:24] <fatejudger> lol
[09:25] <aftertaf> fatejudger, ok. remove all those lines below 1024...
[09:25] <fatejudger> what were the "commands"?
[09:25] <fatejudger> aftertaf: tried that
[09:25] <aftertaf> all the modelines.
[09:25] <fatejudger> aftertaf: wait, which ones?
[09:25] <aftertaf> yeah, but anyway, get rid of 'em... clutter :)
[09:25] <aftertaf> backup your xorg first tho
[09:25] <metatag> aftertaf: he said i would get op status
[09:25] <tackat> how do I get the KDE api docs installed in Kubuntu so that I can browse them in KDevelop Assistant?
[09:26] <metatag> aftertaf: but nothing happens
[09:26] <fatejudger> aftertaf: that doesn't really fixd anything
[09:26] <metatag> aftertaf: it does not help really
[09:26] <aftertaf> metatag, either you're joking, or this guy took you for a sucker.....
[09:26] <metatag> am jokin I guess
[09:26] <scheuri> metatag: oh well
[09:27] <metatag> aftertaf scheuri : how old are you?
[09:27] <aftertaf> hi nalioth_zZz :] ] ] ] ] ]
[09:27] <scheuri> metatag: old enough to not laugh about those kinda jokes in a channel with a lot of people seeking for help
[09:27] <metatag> scheuri: are you mad at me?
[09:28] <metatag> scheuri: am sorry
[09:28] <aftertaf> fatejudger, remove all those modelines...
[09:28] <scheuri> metatag: no, don't worry...i just dont find it funny...:)
[09:28] <metatag> scheuri: you are kind hearted I know
[09:28] <aftertaf> lines 105-114
[09:28] <metatag> scheuri: god bless you
[09:28] <scheuri> metatag: dont try me now, mate...;)
[09:28] <metatag> scheuri: do you know how to cook?
[09:29] <scheuri> metatag: uhm...well...I wont starve...
[09:29] <metatag> scheuri: heard we can make coffee on emacs.. anyone tried?
[09:29] <scheuri> metatag: no doubt...I heard emacs can do e v e r y t h i n g...;)
[09:29] <metatag> scheuri: I can't make out how people make coffee on emacs
[09:30] <metatag> scheuri: you like vi or emacs better?
[09:30] <scheuri> metatag: actually...me neither...but I am sure there are some manuals on google...
[09:30] <scheuri> metatag: I prefer vi actually, but haven't worked with emac enough to say I dont like it
[09:30] <metatag> scheuri: why do you prefer vi? coz of the footprint?
[09:31] <fatejudger> aftertaf: I did
[09:31] <scheuri> metatag: well, I am used to it....that is all
[09:31] <metatag> scheuri: do you know any good software to make ERD diagrams on Linux?
[09:31] <fatejudger> aftertaf: but that won't really help
[09:31] <aftertaf> and did you remove the corresponding entries in line 137 (modes...)
[09:31] <aftertaf> ?
[09:31] <fatejudger> aftertaf: done
[09:32] <metatag> scheuri: ???
[09:32] <scheuri> metatag: frankly...no...but if you find one, plleeeaassse let me know..I am looking for on or two as well....dia is not really a choice
[09:33] <aftertaf> and no chage fatejudger ?
[09:33] <metatag> scheuri: yeah! I ended up using class diagrams to emulate erds.. but it sucks
[09:33] <aftertaf>  +n
[09:33] <fatejudger> aftertaf: lemme restart X then
[09:33] <metatag> scheuri: are you into website development?
[09:34] <aftertaf> metatag, scheuri ... kivio?
[09:34] <scheuri> metatag: not too much
[09:34] <scheuri> aftertaf: yes, possible...but it is not directly designed to do ERD right?
[09:34] <metatag> aftertaf: kivio?
[09:34] <aftertaf> whatis ERD exactly?
[09:34] <scheuri> aftertaf: haven't tried it too long though, might give it another try
[09:34] <metatag> aftertaf: is that on kde?
[09:34] <aftertaf> yep
[09:35] <fatejudger> aftertaf: STILL broken :(
[09:35] <aftertaf> grrr
[09:35] <fatejudger> aftertaf: I still don't see how that would have fixed anything
[09:35] <scheuri> aftertaf: good question...do you speak german? I just know the german words for it...:)
[09:35] <aftertaf> nope :)
[09:35] <metatag> aftertaf: ERD: Entity Relationship Diagrams
[09:35] <aftertaf> thx :)
[09:35] <scheuri> metatag: ...thanks
[09:35] <scheuri> :)
[09:35] <metatag> scheuri: why thanks?
[09:36] <aftertaf> fatejudger, same resolution problem? repaste xorg
[09:36] <scheuri> metatag: because I didnt know the english words for ERD
[09:36] <metatag> scheuri: oh! no problem
[09:36] <metatag> scheuri: so what do you cook?
[09:37] <scheuri> metatag: uhmmm...all sorts of pasta, eggs, rice...mostly making salads though...but why do you want to know?
[09:37] <fatejudger> aftertaf: http://pastebin.com/713074
[09:37] <fatejudger> aftertaf: my xorg.conf on this machine looks like crap compared to the one on my other desktop
[09:38] <metatag> scheuri: wanted to know what geeks eat
[09:38] <metatag> scheuri: you are a geek right?
[09:38] <scheuri> metatag: LOL...thanks for considering me a geek
[09:38] <metatag> scheuri: do you like KFC?
[09:39] <scheuri> metatag: not really...neither mcdonalds and stuff...but occasionally I end up there with friends
[09:39] <aftertaf> fatejudger, try #ing the modeline  "1400x1050 line
[09:40] <metatag> scheuri: do you eat popcorn often?
[09:40] <metatag> scheuri: do you like regular expressions?
[09:40] <scheuri> metatag: by all due respect, but if you really want to talk privately do that in a private chat not on public channel
[09:41] <metatag> scheuri: ah ok
[09:41] <metatag> sorry
[09:41] <scheuri> np
[09:41] <fatejudger> aftertaf: I don't see how that's going to help
[09:41] <metatag> fatejudger: so it he knows his stuff
[09:41] <aftertaf> fatejudger, and remove the entry in the modes part of line 127
[09:42] <aftertaf> looool
[09:42] <aftertaf> i don't not that much... just educated guessing. from experience, a bit
[09:42] <metatag> aftertaf: how long have u been on gnu/linux?
[09:43] <aftertaf> a year on ubuntu.... 2 years before that regularly breaking and reinstalling debian.
[09:43] <fatejudger> aftertaf: that isn't going to make a difference
[09:43] <metatag> aftertaf: wish i had all your experience
[09:43] <fatejudger> aftertaf: you're just elimintaing one possible resolution
[09:43] <aftertaf> 1400* is a big large IMHO...
[09:44] <aftertaf> too large for your monitor.
[09:44] <fatejudger> aftertaf: yes it is, but it doesn't matter
[09:44] <aftertaf> for most people's monitor.
[09:44] <fatejudger> aftertaf: the idea is to keep it on a single resolution
[09:44] <fatejudger> aftertaf: a default one
[09:44] <aftertaf> one other possibility. backup your xorg.conf and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[09:44] <metatag> fatejudger: try ctrl + alt + -
[09:45] <metatag> hi _tomi
[09:46] <fatejudger> aftertaf: yeah, I was thinking of trying that
[09:47] <fatejudger> aftertaf: it shouldn't be that difficult to figure out though
[09:47] <aftertaf> nope... but weird.
[09:47] <fatejudger> aftertaf: I may just ask again tomorrow when more people are on
[09:47] <fatejudger> definately weird
[09:47] <fatejudger> but maybe someone else has experienced it
[09:47] <fatejudger> I hate CRT monitors
[09:47] <aftertaf> cant you setup kdm to use a certain resolution???? im sure
[09:48] <fatejudger> the xorg.conf files for LCDs are much better
[09:48] <fatejudger> aftertaf: not that I know of
[09:48] <aftertaf> try system settings thingy
[09:48] <aftertaf> systemadmin> connexion manager
[09:50] <fatejudger> you mean login manager?
[09:50] <fatejudger> that doesn't have any sort of option for that
[09:51] <aftertaf> no it doesnt... sorry. i imagined it.
[09:51] <metatag> ok gtg back to work pals! thanks aftertaf! thanks scheuri
[09:51] <aftertaf> :)
[09:51] <scheuri> welcome
[09:52] <metatag> aftertaf scheuri: wat do you do for a living?
[09:52] <scheuri> metatag: study...
[09:52] <metatag> scheuri: pHD?
[09:52] <aftertaf> IT
[09:52] <scheuri> metatag: IT
[09:53] <metatag> scheuri: kewl
[09:53] <aftertaf> i'm an admin. but i work as a tecchie most of the time.
[09:53] <metatag> aftertaf: to they allow u spend time around here?
[09:53] <aftertaf> nope.
[09:53] <aftertaf> i'm at home now :)
[09:53] <aftertaf> on shifts
[09:53] <scheuri> metatag: ...you know...those with beards, unshaved, greasy hair, dark eyes, eating pizza all day long, knowing s*x only from the internet...nerds...;)
[09:54] <aftertaf> lol
[09:54] <metatag> aftertaf: kewl
[09:54] <aftertaf> scheuri, hope you're wrong.....
[09:54] <metatag> scheuri: hehe true geeks
[09:54] <scheuri> aftertaf: ...well...self sarcasm and irony is needed in IT, right? ;)
[09:54] <aftertaf> thazt would mean i'm in bad shape with my woman......
[09:54] <metatag> a+ mates
[09:54] <rothgar> anyone use mythtv with kubuntu?
[09:55] <scheuri> aftertaf: ..totally...you are a traitor...;)
[09:55] <fatejudger> aftertaf: alright, well thanks for your help, I think I'll try and tackle this problem tomorrow
[09:55] <fatejudger> I'll cya
[09:55] <aftertaf> ok
[09:55] <raf> aftertaf: well, my sound card doesn't work yet :'(
[09:55] <aftertaf> then again..... way things are, i might be in bad shape with my woman.... remains to be confirmed.... :/
[09:56] <scheuri> aftertaf: uh...well...as I said...self irony and self sarcasm...always need...:)
[09:56] <raf> I looked at "debugingsoundproblems" page, installed the module, and still nothing
[09:56] <aftertaf> totally.
[09:56] <aftertaf> raf, you installed the module?
[09:56] <raf> yes
[09:56] <aftertaf> ok. can you modprobe it?
[09:57] <raf> modprobe intel8x0
[09:57] <raf> sorry
[09:57] <raf> modprobe snd_intel8x0
[09:57] <aftertaf> ok and no error?
[09:57] <raf> no
[09:57] <raf> lsmod shows the module
[09:57] <aftertaf> what happens when you open xmms?
[09:58] <raf> i don't have xmms
[09:58] <aftertaf> apt-get it ;)
[09:58] <raf> I have amarok
[09:58] <raf> ok
[09:58] <raf> apt-get -i xmms?
[09:58] <scheuri> aptitude install xmms
[09:59] <raf> can I use adept?
[09:59] <scheuri> (why is everyone using apt-get?)
[10:00] <aftertaf> lol scheuri old typing habits
[10:00] <raf> apt-get xmms?
[10:00] <aftertaf> sudo aptitude install xmms
[10:00] <raf> how can I get xmms with apt-get
[10:00] <raf> aah
[10:01] <scheuri> aftertaf: ...;)
[10:02] <raf> what's aptitude? :D
[10:02] <aftertaf> !aptitude
[10:02] <ubotu> aptitude is another front-end to apt, like apt-get, adept and Synaptic.  Unlike them, aptitude remembers what dependencies were installed with a package and can remove them if you uninstall. It also has a (somewhat buggy) text-mode interface.
[10:03] <raf> oh
[10:04] <raf> xmms turns my pc into snail
[10:04] <raf> well, xmms doesn't play anything
[10:04] <scheuri> raf: I prefer aptitude because it is a bit more powerful than just apt-get...but it is up to you....;)
[10:06] <aftertaf> raf, install aumix
[10:06] <aftertaf> same method.
[10:06] <aftertaf> then type aumix in console, see if it works.
[10:06] <raf> ko
[10:06] <raf> ok
[10:06] <raf> I have vlc
[10:07] <aftertaf> good too
[10:07] <raf> ok
[10:10] <raf> oss_set_volume(): Failed to open mixer device (/dev/mixer): No such device
[10:10] <raf> :'(
[10:12] <aftertaf> raf, ask on #ubuntu
[10:12] <aftertaf> cant help you... dont know what's wrong.
[10:13] <raf> ok, thanks
[10:13] <raf> really, thank you very much
[10:13] <aftertaf> and tell them what you've done so far.... modulewise
[10:15] <raf> ok
[10:25] <vicks> my katapult in dapper wont start. anyone  knows whats up with that?
[11:20] <scheuri> bye all
[11:27] <khaije> greetings good folk, whats a good place to get detail about how chroot works, and how to properly use it?
[11:28] <Vampis> man chroot
[11:28] <Vampis> ;)
[11:28] <samuli> safe bet.
[11:29] <khaije> i... well... i actually haven't done that yet... i googled first
[11:29] <khaije> ah'll be bahk
[11:37] <chewie_> hi :)
[11:37] <chewie_> why are the http://at.archive.ubuntu.com dapper servers soo slow ?
[11:37] <chewie_> i need minutes to get the headers in adept ?
[11:38] <macd> network issues somewhere I suppose
[11:39] <chewie_> does anyone have the same problem ?
[11:39] <macd> try a different countries mirrors
[11:39] <chewie_> i tried with my chello account and at the university ..
[11:39] <macd> I dont use those repos, so I wouldnt actualy know
[11:39] <chewie_> @macd thx :)
[11:41] <Nookie> Is there any chance that YAST may be implemented in future versions of kubuntu?
[11:42] <macd> no, Id think not since SuSE/Novell developed that and its proprietary
[11:42] <macd> but ask in #kubuntu_devel
[11:42] <macd> but ask in #kubuntu-devel rather
[11:42] <Nookie> ahh thanx macd ;-)
[11:43] <hastesaver> Nookie, how is YAST better than apt?
[11:43] <macd> YAST being a configuration utility and apt being package management
[11:43] <macd> Im not sure how one would even compare the 2
[11:43] <Nookie> hastesaver: not much at all except for people who dont know how to configure their graphic cards and other hardware!
[11:44] <hastesaver> oh, sorry... I was thinking of yum :(
[11:44] <macd> :P
[11:44] <macd> all gravy
[11:48] <chewie_> hey .. is there a list of dapper drake apt source mirrors
[11:48] <Nookie> !sources
[11:48] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:49] <chewie_> because  i think the at. archives a down or something .. it would be a good idea to know where they are hosted
[11:49] <chewie_> wow thx :)
[11:49] <hastesaver> Also,
[11:50] <hastesaver> !easysource
[11:50] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:57] <HymnToLife> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 <= I knew from beginning Dapper was evil :D
[11:58] <macd> its actualy 999 but whos counting
[11:59] <khaije> btw YAST has been gpl'd http://slashdot.org/linux/04/03/19/0052214.shtml
[12:00] <macd> ty for the info.
[12:00] <macd> I wasnt aware
[12:00] <khaije> np :)
[12:00] <macd> I wonder how well it performs on other distros
[12:00] <macd> might be worth looking into
[12:01] <khaije> yast is nice, but imho they waited just a little too long to make it free, it's not as sexy when there are so many other powerful easy tooks
[12:02] <Nookie> ahhh yes but how many new users know how to install graphic drivers and how many new users know that they should edit xorg.conf and configure it????
[12:02] <khaije> the question would be, how much better is yast than kcontrol... ?
[12:02] <samuli> nookie, basicly all you need to do is apt-get right stuff from the repos.
[12:02] <Nookie> well you can not say khaije that they are same thing
[12:03] <samuli> althought that doesn't work very well, but on the other, I don't think yast works any better.
[12:03] <Nookie> they are but there is differences =)
[12:03] <tes> kl
[12:03] <khaije> Nookie: ok correction kcontrol *and* synaptic
[12:03] <samuli> because it's the drivers that suck and there's not much yast can do about it :)
[12:04] <macd> kcontrol lets you confugre and test gfx card drivers
[12:04] <Nookie> macd: not all
[12:04] <macd> its real slick, but of course in dapper ati fglrx is broken
[12:04] <Nookie> macd: my intel card wasn't aloved to test =(
[12:04] <macd> at least I cant make it work for anything short of compiling the kernel myself
[12:05] <macd> Nookie: yeah Ive seen some cards that wont let you test, but they are most likely fbdev
[12:06] <Nookie> ahh yes =)
[12:06] <khaije> i've got a few question about chroot, is there a more appropriate channel for the question?
[12:06] <macd> not really, whats the Q?
[12:07] <khaije> i've trolled some doc's and man's but i still don't quite understand the proteection/isolation it provides
[12:07] <macd> you might find some over zelous people in #linux
[12:07] <khaije> macd: ?
[12:08] <macd> ohhh, it creates a closed enviorment that needs no external dependancies to run
[12:08] <macd> if that sheds some light, ad the the exact mechanisms in place, better answered by a maintainer
[12:09] <khaije> is the only protection of the file system?
[12:10] <khaije> for example, if i changed to root in a chroot, could i kill other system procs?
[12:10] <macd> basicly, I mean this isnt a flask/selinux based architecture'
[12:10] <macd> no you couldnt, ony those which you spawned
[12:11] <khaije> is there any differnce between chroot and solaris zones? (I *think* thats what the're called anyway)
[12:11] <macd> in thier implementation there are, but the end result is very very similar
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> If you can get root in a chroot it is very easy to get root on the main system
[12:13] <nuxil> hi all
[12:13] <khaije> via the re-chroot right h3sp4wn ?
[12:13] <nuxil> how is ubuntu compared to debian sid?
[12:13] <nuxil> *kubuntu
[12:13] <khaije> nuxil: sweet
[12:14] <nuxil> sweet as in sugar :?
[12:14] <nuxil> khaije, i really got wizer now :P
[12:14] <samuli> nuxil, more 'bleeding edge'
[12:15] <macd> Ive seen some chroot implementaton that were better than others
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> khaije: If you get root in the chroot you can usually quite easily get root in the main system
[12:15] <nuxil> as in more unstable ?
[12:15] <samuli> and the repos are better maintained imo. debians repos just add much confusion with all that stable, testing etc.
[12:15] <samuli> nuxil, no. It's stable.
[12:15] <nuxil> you see im usnign fc5 .. and i need to get rid of it.. cos it really suxz..
[12:16] <samuli> :P
[12:16] <khaije> nuxil: there are many differences, but i'd recc kubuntu to anyone
[12:16] <nuxil> you it came down to eighter (K)ubuntu or deb sid
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> the BSD jail implimentation is alot more solid - If you are just using chroot to run services then you can just make them statically linked and not run as root
[12:16] <samuli> I'd say kubuntu.
[12:17] <samuli> I had debian etch just until recently and it was kind of a mess.
[12:17] <macd> Im real partial to selinux/tbsd if I really want to lock something down
[12:18] <nuxil> but it basicly the same as deb? right? same initstyle and uses apt as the pkg tool?
[12:18] <samuli> thought it might've been because the new sarge just came out.
[12:18] <samuli> nuxil, yeah.
[12:18] <samuli> same apt-get, aptitude and synaptic etc.
[12:18] <nuxil> ok
[12:18] <khaije> h3sp4wn: to launch a chroot you need to be superuser... so how does one enforce a user, especially when there is no /etc/passwd
[12:19] <macd> thats the whole problem surrounding the dac security model
[12:19] <nuxil> ok you convinced me.. im going to grab a copy
[12:19] <macd> thats why we love the mac model
[12:19] <khaije> h3sp4wn: i think i don't understand the difference between a vm and chroot?
[12:19] <samuli> try dapper instead of breezy nuxil.
[12:19] <macd> ohh no
[12:19] <macd> :P
[12:19] <macd> Id try breezy first, then upgrade to dapper if you want
[12:20] <samuli> :P
[12:20] <macd> dapper might sour someone rite off the bat
[12:20] <nuxil> samuli whats the diff?
[12:20] <khaije> macd: i actually just need it to install 32bit apps (for now) but i can't stand using tools i don't understand
[12:20] <h3sp4wn> khaije: A chroot has in just enough for the program running inside it to run running
[12:20] <samuli> nuxil, dapper is the 'testing' equivalent to debian.
[12:20] <macd> khaije: we all should think that way, wed have alot less problems down the road
[12:20] <samuli> and breezy is the stable, but dapper is just about to be released and to me it's been stable as a rock anyways.
[12:20] <nuxil> samuli ok ic.. but are there issues wirh it?
[12:21] <macd> it does have some X issues, and wifi issues
[12:21] <macd> other than that, its pretty solid
[12:21] <nuxil> ok..
[12:21] <khaije> dapper is due in 1 & 1/2 months isn't it? thats not too long to wait, then it'll be like christmas in july :p
[12:21] <nuxil> lol
[12:21] <macd> yeah dapper for play, breezy for productivity
[12:21] <samuli> khaije, sooner than that me thinks.
[12:21] <nuxil> im more of a playfull guy :p
[12:22] <macd> I dont know, with 80 updates a day pushing to dapper, its hard to see that dwindling
[12:22] <khaije> samuli: ya, i wasn't sure and didn't want to make promises that the ubuntu dev's would hold me to, that would make me cry
[12:22] <khaije> macd: when you said you prefer the mac model, what did you mean?
[12:23] <samuli> nuxil, if you were considering debians unstable, you're probably comfortable with dapper.
[12:23] <nuxil> where do i get dapper then?
[12:23] <nuxil> http://kubuntu.org/download.php is only showing me breezy
[12:23] <macd> khaije: let me toss you a url instead of typing massive amounts of txt
[12:23] <khaije> macd: ty :)
[12:23] <samuli> nuxil, check the topic man.
[12:24] <samuli> ;)
[12:24] <nuxil> :\ ok .. got it.
[12:24] <samuli> I'd take the live-cd instead of text-mode install.
[12:25] <macd> http://www.scs.stanford.edu/05au-cs240c/notes/l13.pdf
[12:25] <macd> thats pretty decent
[12:25] <nuxil> next Q is ,, i have a amd64,, should i stick to 32 bit platform or go for 64 bit?
[12:25] <samuli> muchos more fun to install when you can browse the web and stuff while waiting.
[12:25] <macd> I mixxed mac and dac though in my last statement
[12:25] <HymnToLife> nuxil> depends on the software you need
[12:25] <nuxil> well i need java.. flash.. mplayer mythtv etc etc
[12:26] <DeBert> Hi, is it possible the use 2 dictionaries in KDE? I want a spelling checker for my native language Dutch, and English.
[12:26] <khaije> macd: np, i'll look it over
[12:26] <HymnToLife> methinks Flash and Java are a PITA to install on 64 bits
[12:26] <macd> methinks that too
[12:26] <nuxil> HymnToLife, cant i jail em to 32 bit?
[12:27] <khaije> methinks flash is bloat
[12:27] <HymnToLife> nuxil> you mean install them in a chroot ?
[12:27] <HymnToLife> it's even worse
[12:27] <nuxil> yes
[12:27] <nuxil> lol ok
[12:27] <nuxil> so its best to stay on 32 for now
[12:28] <khaije> i need to install citrix for work, so i'm in the same boat nuxil
[12:28] <samuli> what about w32codecs then?
[12:28] <samuli> do they work on 64bit?
[12:29] <HymnToLife> samuli> yes
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> khaije: Citrix is ok if everything is available as published applications
[12:29] <HymnToLife> but they're pretty useless IMO, I never use those crappy formats
[12:29] <samuli> I have my music as flac and movies in xvid.. so I guess i don't either.
[12:30] <HymnToLife> Vorbis / x264 here :)
[12:30] <khaije> h3sp4wn: Citrix is okay, but it's easy to get impatient w/ closed source apps conspicuosly lagging behind our esoteric standards, agree?
[12:31] <khaije> by that i mean a 64bit version
[12:31] <khaije> btw h3sp4wn have you compared it against NX?
[12:31] <nuxil> wee.. dl at 400KB/sec :)
[12:31] <h3sp4wn> khaije: I think citrix performs better
[12:32] <HymnToLife> nuxil> 10,000% faster than me :D
[12:32] <nuxil> lol
[12:32] <khaije> interesting, it's an undeiably mature offering
[12:33] <h3sp4wn> khaije: I haven't citrix for a few years but metaframe on windows 2000 even over ADSL was faster than NX seems to be over lan
[12:33] <kosh> I like X over lan
[12:33] <samuli> it's funny how I get like 500-600kB/s from archive.ubuntu.etc.. that's in the us, right?
[12:33] <kosh> I have used citrix, vnc, that windows remoting thing etc and just pure X over lan has always been faster and more responsive
[12:33] <HymnToLife> perkele
[12:33] <HymnToLife> dialup sucks
[12:34] <HymnToLife> I get 3 kbps :D
[12:34] <samuli> lol
[12:34] <nuxil> voi vitto.. you got dialup
[12:34] <samuli> I hope you don't have dapper installed :
[12:34] <kosh> ssh -X user@server and then run any apps you want and they will just appear local transparently
[12:34] <h3sp4wn> kosh: citrix can do X as well and its protocol is alot more efficient (needs Solaris though)
[12:34] <kosh> even over dsl I prefer regular remote X with ssh
[12:34] <HymnToLife> samuli> as a matter of fact I'm on Windows ATM :D
[12:35] <kosh> h3sp4wn: citrix can not do as well, I can just ssh to another box and run any given app that I want, I don't need to deal with special clients,servers etc
[12:35] <samuli> hymtolife, ever tried to net install debian? that'd be much kudos for you :)
[12:35] <HymnToLife> samuli> I did
[12:35] <HymnToLife> well, I downloaded the 14 ISOs, I guess it's about the same :D
[12:36] <samuli> :D
[12:36] <kosh> as far as being able to run any remote app under any userid from any remote unix system it is very hard to beat ssh -X
[12:37] <kosh> I can do that to a bsd box, linux, solaris, aix, hpux etc and it works
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> kosh: Almost all remote unix systems I have dealt with don't have X installed
[12:37] <khaije> NX is still relatively young, but i think once it's get's incorporated as a kio: it's benefits will be more demonstrable, if just because of the advantages w/ intergration that the gpl license allows
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> kosh: HP Openview runs alot more responsively over citrix than it does over plain ssh
[12:39] <kosh> h3sp4wn: citrix requires a lot more client and server support, X will just work anywhere
[12:40] <kosh> h3sp4wn: on my dsl connection and over a lan connection I find that remote X works extremely well
[12:40] <khaije> macd: ^_^ when you said you prefer the mac model i thoght you meant Apple
[12:43] <khaije> h3sp4wn: so the chroot creates a local subdomain, that still access the same kernel, but segregated from all system info except what is created inside it?
[12:44] <khaije> this seems like it would need to be a kernel level seperation... is that accurate?
[12:44] <fatmike> hi
[12:44] <fatmike> i have a question about installing plugins in firefox
[12:44] <h3sp4wn> khaije: Its suppost to be secure but its very easy to break out of if you get root in the chroot
[12:44] <fatmike> i installed the realplayer and then the mplayer plugin
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> khaije: what do you need it for ?
[12:45] <fatmike> and now everytime i open a page with a real-movie, mplayer tries to play it
[12:45] <khaije> iow, it seems too powerful to be a regular program
[12:45] <fatmike> but i only want mplayer for windows formats like wmv
[12:45] <fatmike> where can i set this?
[12:46] <Snake__> !wmv
[12:46] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[12:46] <Snake__> fatmike: ^^
[12:47] <khaije> h3sp4wn: citrix, but i'd always been curious and never quite had a chance to familiarize myself.... also i'm reading about xen, and this has renewed my interest in isolation technologies
[12:47] <Snake__> Ohhh
[12:47] <Snake__> fatmike: im sorry
[12:47] <Snake__> I miss read
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> khaije: just the ICA client ?
[12:47] <khaije> correct
[12:48] <fatmike> eh what?
[12:50] <Snake__> fatmike: I didnt read your question right, and im not really sure how to set that :(
[12:51] <khaije> fatmike: are you talking about changing the file associations?
[12:51] <Snake__> khaije: If its streaming I dont think that will work will it:
[12:51] <Snake__> ?*
[12:51] <khaije> y not?
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> khaije: You can either do it properly (finding out just the libraries that are absolutely required making required stuff in /chroot/dev) or just install a full 32bit chroot using debootstrap
[12:52] <khaije> h3sp4wn: that is exactly what i'm curious about, i'd rather do it the right way
[12:53] <khaije> the reading i did indicated that ldd would be my best friend in this case
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> khaije: I would start by building a copy of openmotif 2.2 - statically
[12:54] <fatmike> no i'm talking how to change the default plugin for realmedia for example
[12:54] <fatmike> the player that sits right in the browser window
[12:55] <khaije> do you know what the minumum req's to run a very basic chroot w/, for example, nothing but a shell is? i'm assuming anything extra would depend on the particular application
[12:55] <Snake__> khaije: very very very low
[12:56] <khaije> i don't mind spending time on it, i feel like it's an important conept to fully grasp
[12:56] <h3sp4wn> khaije: If you link things statically you can avoid having to have loads of libraries in there
[12:57] <khaije> like ash, instead of bash, for example...
[12:57] <Snake__> Whats the hotkey to switch desktops?
[12:57] <h3sp4wn> khaije: you could probably use busybox for that
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> khaije: If you need a shell in there
[12:58] <HymnToLife> !chroot
[12:58] <ubotu> [chroot]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[01:00] <khaije> h3sp4wn: what information/context does a chroot share require to share w/ the host system? user, /dev, anything else?
[01:00] <khaije> thx ubotu, i'll check this out now :)
[01:00] <HymnToLife> !ubotu
[01:00] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me.  Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, khaije
[01:01] <khaije> drat
[01:02] <khaije> h3sp4wn: are you saying the links aren't a good place to look?
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> khaije: Maybe to get the idea but I wouldn't do it like that - probably start with a minimal 32bit chroot - based on busybox - build openmotif 2.2 statically (cross-compile to 32 bit) and then go from
[01:08] <khaije> h3sp4wn: to be honest i'm still a bit muddled, in the method yr reccomending, is the deboostrap-chroot necessary at all?
[01:11] <khaije> this is exactly the type of thing i probably should have learned about several years ago ;
[01:11] <khaije> -
[01:11] <khaije> :-
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> khaije: It seems vastly inefficient to install 32bit versions of the whole base system just to run one application (which is what debootstrap does)
[01:13] <khaije> i agree, probably appropriate for somethings, but not in this case
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> khaije: I don't think its appropriate for running firefox (with flash) or whatever its normally used for
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> khaije: http://www.bpfh.net/simes/computing/chroot-break.html
[01:15] <khaije> should i read all of this, or certain portions?
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> khaije: http://www.itworld.com/AppDev/1296/swol-0199-security/ - that explains what you are doing
[01:19] <kosh> h3sp4wn: when was the last time that was checked to see if it would actually work, also on a server I think you will find it harder then just that to break out of chroot system since it glossed over the detail of first gaining root inside the chroot with a security exploit
[01:20] <khaije> this is good stuff, thank you *very* much h3sp4wn, i will read this before i ask you anymore questions
[01:20] <kosh> h3sp4wn: run zope chrooted and see how long it takes you to break that ;)
[01:21] <samuli> shit. kde is so much faster on dapper than gnome it's not even funny anymore.
[01:21] <kosh> it seems to vary person to person no idea why though
[01:21] <kosh> some say it is faster and some say it is far slower
[01:22] <samuli> too bad I don't like kde too much though :/
[01:22] <kosh> I certainly like kde far more then gnome
[01:22] <samuli> kosh, I would've have said there's not much difference like 10 hours ago or so, but now that I got used to kde going back to gnome really showed the difference.
[01:23] <kosh> kparts, ioslaves and how configurable it is saves me a lot of time
[01:23] <samuli> I don't like the menus for one.
[01:23] <kosh> run a quad head system with gnome and see how much one size fits all works :)
[01:23] <samuli> just TOO much stuff always visible.
[01:23] <kosh> that is something that has never bothered, however I have probably used most of the various menu functions
[01:24] <samuli> yeah, I'm sure it's not bothering me either in a day or two.
[01:24] <samuli> I'm already liking it a lot better than few hours back.
[01:27] <kosh> the customization means a lot when you really use it
[01:27] <kosh> http://aesaeion.com/mydesk  that is a fairly recent screenshot of my setup
[01:31] <samuli> http://www.freewebs.com/arpakyna/dapper.jpg
[01:31] <samuli> there's my belowed gnome.. any ideas how to make kde look a bit more like that?
[01:31] <samuli> I'm just sucker for simplicity and un-clutterness.
[01:41] <kosh> I have no idea how to make it look like that
[01:42] <kosh> heck I don't ever even see my desktop, that is why it just has a black background
[01:42] <kosh> if I had 8 monitors I still would not have enough space to shown my desktop
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> kosh: Chroot is secure as long as you don't get root or run services as root if you were running zope (under apache I assume) it would be running as www you can only break out as root (after finding a relevant exploit)
[01:44] <kosh> h3sp4wn: actually zope can't be run as root it will refuse, the normal thing is zope runs as its own user, it does not allow any access to the filesystem and you run it on a high internal only port and you have apache proxy for it
[01:44] <kosh> h3sp4wn: that way you setup apache so that the only thing it can read are its config files and the only thing it can write is the log files
[01:44] <kosh> h3sp4wn: so neither your web server or the app server have any permission to read or write much at all
[01:45] <wincide> hi, i'm looking for support to configure a MMC and SD  internal reader in a laptop , here is the lspci about this http://pastebin.com/713336
[01:46] <wincide> if anyone knows a guide or a manual to make this run, please tell me :) thx
[01:50] <kosh> sorry no idea on that
[01:50] <kosh> I would have expected it to just work
[01:52] <dagwood> this must be a noob question but where in KDE (kubuntu dapper) can I set keys to change desktops?  I'd like to use ctl-alt-arrows to move around
[01:53] <kosh> system settings -> regional and accessability -> keyboard shortcuts
[01:54] <dagwood> most excellent!  thanks kosh
[01:55] <nuxil> omg ineed some help..ijust installed dapper.. and it booted fine up..exept that kde didnt work. and ihave no root password ++ /home/$username i get premission denied :{
[01:57] <nuxil> im trying to run the cd in rescue mode. but when i try to mount my root partiton i get.. an error hasoccured while mounting the device you enter as root filesystem
[01:58] <kosh> you are not supposed to have root
[01:58] <kosh> you login as the user you created during install and you use sudo to run stuff as root
[01:58] <nuxil> oh??
[01:58] <nuxil> but i still get premission denied for /home/username
[01:59] <nuxil> i tryed to sudo chown but it promt me for password
[01:59] <nuxil> i tryed the usernames pw .. didnt help
[02:00] <kosh> I have not seen that problem before
[02:00] <samuli> me neither.
[02:00] <nuxil> it all so weird..
[02:00] <samuli> doubt there is a workaround for that.
[02:01] <nuxil> i'll try booting up an old slack rescue disk and chroot to the dapper
[02:01] <kosh> oh I am sure there is a way to fix it, I just don't have that much time right now
[02:02] <nuxil> kosh: what the normal premission for a /home/user?
[02:02] <nuxil> user| users?
[02:02] <nuxil> or user | user?
[02:02] <kosh> the normal permission is for it to be readable and writable only for that user
[02:03] <nuxil> no i mean what group
[02:03] <kosh> so chmod 700 /home/user and chown user:user /home/user
[02:03] <thoreauputic> user:user
[02:03] <samuli> can't think of anyway to fix 'root' pw if it's messed up.
[02:03] <nuxil> ok
[02:03] <samuli> it's crypted right.
[02:03] <nuxil> yes
[02:04] <nuxil> but it can be removed with a livecd or rescue disk
[02:04] <kosh> there are lots of ways to fix it
[02:04] <kosh> like replacing it by using a bootcd
[02:04] <thoreauputic> samuli: boot with init=/bin/sh then run passwd root
[02:04] <samuli> replacing it how?
[02:04] <nuxil> chroot from a bootcd
[02:05] <nuxil> then make a new pq
[02:05] <samuli> oh, ok :)
[02:05] <nuxil> *pw
[02:05] <kosh> sampan: it is one of those things that is dangerous to explain
[02:05] <nuxil> i'll try that
[02:06] <nuxil> so heres the $10000 Q.. wher did i put my bootcd :P
[02:06] <kosh> 9th circle of hell
[02:07] <nuxil> hehe
[02:07] <kosh> it is next to the demon blood and silver powder for binding spells
[02:09] <nuxil> :) password updated sucsessfully :D
[02:10] <nuxil> i hate sitting on my server with irssi
[02:10] <nuxil> :P
[02:13] <nuxil_> ok got accsess to my /home now.. for some reason it was set to 500:500
[02:14] <nuxil_> anyway.. kde is still not workikg..
[02:17] <Cyph3r> Hi everyone :)
[02:17] <Cyph3r> Does anybody know a program better than Klibido?  for usenet binary download..
[02:20] <nuxil> hmm kde isnt booting up.. i see the spash.. thats all i see.. it says. setting up interprocess commuication
[02:21] <cfraz89> try starting kde from a terminal, to see where the error is
[02:21] <cfraz89> try logging in with session failsafe, then run startkde
[02:21] <nuxil> ok
[02:21] <cfraz89> the terminal should tell you the error
[02:24] <nuxil> hmm unable to open display.. did export it,, then i got could not start dcopserver
[02:28] <cfraz89> sorry internet dropped out
[02:29] <cfraz89> nuxil, it said cant open display?
[02:29] <nuxil> i fixed that
[02:29] <nuxil> it complains about dcopserver
[02:29] <cfraz89> oh ok
[02:29] <cfraz89> no errors from dcopserver?
[02:29] <nuxil> in rebooting now
[02:29] <cfraz89> ok
[02:29] <nuxil> *im
[02:31] <nuxil> lem mesee now
[02:32] <nuxil> setting up interprocess comunication
[02:32] <nuxil> then it stopsworing
[02:32] <nuxil> *working
[02:32] <nuxil> oh hers and error i got now
[02:33] <cfraz89> any error messages?
[02:33] <nuxil> could not read network connection list.. /home/nuxil/.DCOPserver_NUXIL_0
[02:33] <cfraz89> maybe you should delete that file
[02:34] <nuxil> wait asec
[02:35] <nuxil> nop.. it does the same thing
[02:35] <nuxil> hmm the dcopserver isnt running
[02:35] <nuxil> pgrep did show 0
[02:36] <nuxil> should dcopserver bbe started as root or user
[02:36] <cfraz89> user
[02:36] <nuxil> ok lemme try that
[02:38] <nuxil> nop..didnt work eighter..
[02:38] <cfraz89> hmm
[02:38] <cfraz89> try moving your .kde out of the way for a while
[02:38] <cfraz89> rename it or something
[02:38] <nuxil> ok
[02:40] <nuxil> hmm nop.. let me try add a new user..
[02:42] <nuxil> ok that worked
[02:42] <nuxil> that VERRY weird
[02:42] <henning> Hi are there any Google-SoC mentors for Ubuntu here?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> henning: i think there are.  ask that in #ubuntu-motu i think
[02:45] <henning> Hobbsee: thanks
[02:46] <nuxil> cfraz89: do you got an idea why it worked adding a new user?
[02:46] <cfraz89> something about your user must be messed
[02:47] <Vampis> ls
[02:47] <kOpter> .
[02:47] <kOpter> ..
[02:47] <kOpter> :)
[02:47] <cfraz89> try copying over .bash_profile and .bashrc from the new one
[02:47] <cfraz89> delete any settings folders you dont need much
[02:48] <nuxil> i'll do that.. tkxz so far
[02:48] <cfraz89> np
[02:48] <nuxil> mc
[02:48] <nuxil> erm
[02:48] <cfraz89> ?
[02:48] <nuxil> wrong keybord :p
[02:49] <cfraz89> lol
[02:57] <nuxil> hmm how do i open an Xapp form cli on a user desktop? i tryed xhost +localhost in terminale..
[02:57] <nuxil> didnt work well
[02:58] <nuxil> i mean as root
[02:58] <nuxil> arr i forgot that sudo stuff :P
[02:58] <nuxil> im not used to it :\
[02:59] <cfraz89> :)
[02:59] <cfraz89> yeah its wierd to get used to
[02:59] <nuxil> exit
[03:01] <nuxil> i think i messed up my sudo when i added a new root pw
[03:01] <cfraz89> you cant mess it up like that i think
[03:01] <nuxil> well sudo kate does noting
[03:02] <nuxil> octan@Nuxil:~$ sudo kate
[03:02] <nuxil> octan@Nuxil:~$
[03:02] <nuxil> :{
[03:02] <cfraz89> hmm
[03:04] <cfraz89> try sudo pwd
[03:04] <cfraz89> should print you directory
[03:05] <nuxil> nothing shows up
[03:06] <cfraz89> wow your sudo is broke
[03:06] <cfraz89> sorry im not really sure what to do about that
[03:07] <nuxil> hmm.. odd
[03:07] <nuxil> visudo
[03:07] <nuxil> visudo: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[03:07] <nuxil> verry odd
[03:07] <cfraz89> yeah
[03:11] <imbrandon> sudo visudo
[03:12] <nuxil> sudo doesnt work
[03:13] <nuxil> bla.. time to read the man page
[03:13] <mustard5> nuxil, you might have to boot into recovery mode then?
[03:14] <mustard5> nuxil, do you happen to have a root password set up?
[03:18] <nox-Hand> Hey
[03:19] <mustard5> hey nox-Hand
[03:20] <nox-Hand> Hello mustard5
[03:20] <goldenear> I've got a simple question: Is a ubuntu source package often different than a debian source package ?
[03:21] <samuli> good question.
[03:21] <mustard5> goldenear, probably a good question ofr #ubuntu
[03:21] <mustard5> goldenear, I would suspect that they are potentially different
[03:22] <Seantater> It depends on where you are in the release cycle
[03:22] <Seantater> The moment edgy eft starts, it /is/ debian
[03:23] <Seantater> the moment dapper is released, it's not debian, it's ubuntu
[03:23] <Seantater> each release is a copy of debian that get's all of ubuntu's "stuff" added on to.
[03:23] <samuli> but the source might be much the same.
[03:24] <samuli> it just uses ubuntu-devs instead of debian-devs and vice versa.
[03:24] <Seantater> A lot of ubuntu's work goes into fixing debian, so they don;t have to continue adding so much "stuff"
[03:24] <samuli> but im no expert.
[03:24] <mustard5> Seantater, wouldn't there be some carry over from changes make to packages in earlier versions that continue through the newer versions of ubuntu?
[03:24] <goldenear> so is it safe or not to add a debian deb-src in apt/sources.list ?
[03:24] <Seantater> No -- it's not safe!
[03:24] <samuli> goldenear, no.
[03:24] <Seantater> Quite a few people worked on that theory -- it just doe snot work
[03:25] <goldenear> ok
[03:25] <Seantater> the system crashes each try
[03:25] <samuli> hehe
[03:25] <kosh> I have some packages from debian sid in my dapper install however I also know what I am doing :)
[03:25] <Seantater> Exactly
[03:26] <Seantater> That might work
[03:26] <samuli> kosh, why?
[03:26] <goldenear> I was just asking that because I just make a .deb from the latest Twinkle sources... and I had to take the source from the debian repositary as the sources package in universe in very old :)
[03:26] <Seantater> but you can still get into dependancy problems, no?
[03:26] <kosh> samuli: because dapper does not have zope 2.9 but debian sid does
[03:26] <samuli> are they newer or is there just something in the repositories.. right.
[03:26] <mth`MAW> hi there
[03:27] <kosh> samuli: and I need zope 2.9 and I know every dependency it has and that all the dependencies are already in dapper
[03:27] <Seantater> goldenear: I bet you can ask #ubuntu-motu to update it
[03:27] <samuli> do you have to make .deb out of the source?
[03:27] <goldenear> yep
[03:27] <nuxil>  mustard5 yes.. sorry,.. i was on the toilet :) yes i have a root pw
[03:27] <goldenear> and it works well
[03:27] <samuli> or is there any reasonable way to just compile it normally.
[03:27] <kosh> samuli: well for zope I just installed the straight binary packages it works just fine
[03:28] <samuli> kosh, o-kay.
[03:28] <mustard5> nuxil, you could use su -
[03:28] <mustard5> nuxil, that should get you to a root prompt
[03:28] <samuli> well there's easily depency problems if you don't know what you're doing.
[03:28] <mhterres> morning
[03:28] <nuxil> yes,,
[03:28] <mustard5> nuxil, then you could run visudo to check the /etc/sudoers
[03:28] <samuli> or one doesn't know what one is doing rather.
[03:29] <kosh> samuli: zope is mostly python other then a few c dependencies where it depends just on libc6 for that part which is abi compatible
[03:29] <nuxil> i fix it... there was no sudo users set upt in /etc/sudoers
[03:29] <mustard5> nuxil, k
[03:29] <kosh> samuli: if you know exactly what you are doing you can mix them, if you dont ..... well it blows up real fast :)
[03:29] <samuli> yea :P
[03:29] <cfraz89> nuxil, i think ubuntu's sudoers doesnt target users
[03:29] <cfraz89> only the group 'admin'
[03:29] <imbrandon> right cfraz89
[03:29] <cfraz89> cool
[03:31] <nuxil> is apps like mc | xchat in the repo dapper universe?
[03:31] <cfraz89> yep
[03:32] <mustard5> cfraz89, you can set it up with a user name though
[03:32] <cfraz89> yeah
[03:32] <nuxil> ok :)
[03:32] <samuli> I was just thinking.. what is the safest way to disable services in ubuntu/kubuntu.
[03:32] <cfraz89> i just make them not executable
[03:32] <samuli> i mean like bluetooth (got that sorted out though) etc.
[03:32] <samuli> from the init.d?
[03:32] <cfraz89> yeah
[03:33] <samuli> should I stop them first?
[03:33] <cfraz89> because if i dont want one in one runlevel, i usually dont want it at all
[03:33] <cfraz89> if you want
[03:33] <samuli> or just like.. rename them.
[03:33] <cfraz89> i dont think renaming will change anything
[03:33] <samuli> well it doesn't find the while anymore.
[03:33] <samuli> while = file, doh.
[03:34] <samuli> easier to reverse than chmod :P
[03:34] <nuxil> chmod -x file
[03:34] <nuxil> ehh was that right :p chmod 000 file :P
[03:35] <samuli> i think x works.
[03:35] <imbrandon> chmod 644 file too
[03:35] <mustard5> I thought to disable a service you renamed them with a 'K' at the start?
[03:35] <imbrandon> als long as its not 7xx
[03:36] <samuli> mustard, doesn't any renaming work?
[03:36] <nuxil> mustard5 isnt that for the reboot stuff?
[03:36] <mustard5> nuxil, I'm not totally sure myself...I'm thinking of the runlevel scripts
[03:36] <nuxil> k for RL0|6 and S for boot up
[03:37] <nuxil> mustard5: heh im not sure my slef too :}
[03:37] <mustard5> nuxil, the way I read it was you go to the run level directory in question and the scripts you want to run at that run level begin with an 'S' and the ones that don't run begin with a 'K'
[03:39] <nox-Hand> Where would I add some commands to my path in Kubuntu? I have a lot of E17 commands I want added..
[03:39] <h3sp4wn> or just remove the symlinks from rc3.d  / rc2.d or whatever
[03:39] <mustard5> so for runlevel 3, you would go to /etc/rc3.d and rename the service with a 'K' on the front of it
[03:40] <mustard5> thats my take on it, but I've never actually put it into practice :D
[03:40] <imbrandon> nox-Hand, ~/.bashrc
[03:40] <h3sp4wn> Just removing the symlink would cause the same
[03:40] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, Cheers =D
[03:41] <nox-Hand> Eep, that looks complicated ^^
[03:41] <imbrandon> heh
[03:42] <h3sp4wn> nox-Hand: alternatively you can just symlink them all into /usr/local/bin
[03:42] <samuli> hmm.. what of those executables in init.d would be the raid-stuff?
[03:42] <mcrosby> hi folks!
[03:42] <samuli> raid services.
[03:42] <nox-Hand> h3sp4wn, Which I surely must know how to do? ;)
[03:43] <nox-Hand> I need this added according to the guide:
[03:43] <nox-Hand> PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/opt/e17/bin
[03:43] <nox-Hand> (( I am guessing it's just the last one I really need adding, but I don't know how ^^ ))
[03:44] <imbrandon> add it to the end of your ~/.bash_profile you will see the line easy
[03:45] <imbrandon> then logout and backin etc
[03:45] <nox-Hand>  PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}
[03:45] <imbrandon> yea make that look like
[03:45] <imbrandon> ...
[03:45] <imbrandon> PATH=/opt/e17/bin:~/bin:"${PATH}
[03:45] <nox-Hand> Yeah. Uhm, what when I sudo su or something, will I loose it then?
[03:46] <nox-Hand> (( untill I log back to regular ))
[03:46] <imbrandon> not unless you "sudo su -" just "sudo su" dosent load the "root" profile
[03:46] <imbrandon> and you can always edit the /root/.bash+profile too ;)
[03:46] <nox-Hand> Thanks =D
[03:47] <nox-Hand> Right, backin etc..?
[03:47] <h3sp4wn> nox-Hand: or you could do ln -s * /usr/local/bin (from /opt/e17/bin) as root
[03:48] <nox-Hand> sudu su -   || then ln -s * /usr/local/bin
[03:48] <ramvi> Anyone know what I have to reconfigure or what I need to do? I've been trying to get Xgl working. And I did some changes to /etc/kde3/kdm/<the config file>. Thought I removed my changes. But now I'm sent to shell as I start my pc. When I try to /etc/init.d/kdm restart it starts X and shows the loading cursor for about 10 secs and I'm sent back to shell. Same thing happens if I try to start gdm. What do I do? Thanks in advance!
[03:48] <imbrandon> h3sp4wn, yea but adding it to your path makes it easy to remove later and gives you the choice of what one to be in your path first incase two command are the same
[03:48] <Blissex> ramvi: you X server is terminating because of errors, look at '/var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[03:49] <nox-Hand> Okay, I shall leave it in path
[03:49] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, You shal backing etc..?
[03:49] <imbrandon> ?
[03:49] <imbrandon> shal backing ?
[03:50] <DocTomoe> Hm, I need to get user-rw-access to my vfat partitions. Currently, I only seem to have ro access. My fstab entry looks like "/dev/hda2       /media/win_c    vfat            defaults,uid=0,gid=0,auto,rw,user,quiet                         0       0" ... What should I change to get rw access for all linux users?
[03:50] <ramvi> Blissex: But why dosn't dphg-reconfigure xserver-xorg do the charm?
[03:50] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, Sorry, let me quote you.... just a sec
[03:50] <nuxil> where do i get mplayer from?
[03:50] <nox-Hand> imbrandon then logout and backin etc
[03:50] <imbrandon> DocTomoe, change the uig= and gid= to legal options
[03:50] <ramvi> Blissex: Thanks for the feedback btw :)
[03:50] <Blissex> ramvi: probably because it is not a configuration problem, but some linking/module problems.
[03:51] <DocTomoe> imbrandon: What would "legal options" be like?
[03:51] <Blissex> ramvi: or perhaps you have given the wrong.
[03:51] <ramvi> the wrong?
[03:51] <nuxil> i tryed deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse but it cant find mplayer with that repo
[03:51] <imbrandon> DocTomoe, real users like uid=brandon,gui=admin ( user id and group id to mount the drive as )
[03:51] <imbrandon> gid*
[03:51] <ramvi> nuxil: S hyggelig. Norsk jo
[03:51] <DocTomoe> imbrandon: is there a setting for "all users of group 'users'" ?
[03:52] <nuxil> hehe ja..
[03:52] <imbrandon> DocTomoe, no thats to mount it "as" them
[03:52] <Seantater> I really like what Linux has done -- and I'd like to contribute back -- being a KDE fan -- I'd like to contribute to KDE, but they use C++.
[03:52] <nuxil> ramvi: da kan du sikkert fortelle meg hvordan jeg fr mplayer installert :P
[03:52] <Seantater> Does anyone know where I might contribute python code to kde?
[03:53] <mustard5> Seantater, I think easing other users into the world of KDE would be a useful contribution :)
[03:53] <DeadS0ul> SeanTater: they need people to do translations and documentation
[03:53] <DocTomoe> SeanTater: you know about PyQt?
[03:53] <ramvi> Seantater: Any application you make or translate is a contribution :)
[03:53] <Seantater> I know a little on pyQT
[03:53] <nox-Hand> brb
[03:54] <Seantater> I just begun about 6-8 months ago --
[03:54] <Seantater> I've worked on some command-line stuff, but they got too big and I aran out of time
[03:54] <DeadS0ul> you've used kde for 6-8 months, that's enough to help out newibes
[03:55] <imbrandon> SeanTater some kde apps are pyqt , not all are c++
[03:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:55] <Seantater> I've used KDE since KDE3 first came out
[03:55] <Seantater> imbrandon: Where? I'd love to see them?
[03:56] <Seantater> s/them?/them!
[03:56] <Poker_> who can help me? when i start my laptop at the end on the grafical interface i can see only the desktop image... even if it should start everything because i can see same advice from kopete...
[03:56] <imbrandon> off the top of my head umbiguity and http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-hal-device-manager/ there are LOTS SeanTater
[03:56] <kosh> I know there are some superkaramba kde apps but I would have to check for others
[03:56] <kosh> I have been using kde since before 1.0 :)
[03:57] <Seantater> kosh: ya' got me beat
[03:57] <Poker_> who can help me? when i start my laptop at the end on the grafical interface i can see only the desktop image... even if it should start everything because i can see same advice from kopete...
[03:57] <imbrandon> Poker_, please dont repeat if someone knows they will help
[03:58] <mustard5> Poker_, what graphics card?
[03:58] <kosh> about 10-12 years using linux now for me
[03:58] <Seantater> imbrandon: but how would I submit new code?
[03:58] <imbrandon> kosh, same here ( approx )
[03:58] <DeadS0ul> put it on kde-apps.org
[03:58] <kosh> first started in college when I had to do some programming, the lab unix machines where too busy, the windows boxes couldn't do the job and the prof suggested slackware
[03:58] <Blissex> Poker_: does that mean that you see the scren background but there is no KDE panel?
[03:58] <DeadS0ul> or ask in kde develop
[03:59] <imbrandon> SeanTater depends on the app, if its a bugfix for something in kubuntu send it to launchpad.net others send directly to the upstream or kubuntu maintainer ( in the readme of the app )
[03:59] <kosh> for simulation stuff windows of 10 years ago was good for jack and squat ;)
[03:59] <Poker_> mustard5 i have the intel card
[03:59] <Seantater> imbrandon: thanks!
[03:59] <kosh> for a while I ran a tripple boot system of windows, linux and os/2
[03:59] <Poker_> the one on the motherboard
[03:59] <mustard5> Poker_, hmm ok
[04:00] <imbrandon> SeanTater you might wanan check out #kubuntu-devel too
[04:00] <Riddell> Seantater: guidance is the other app that uses pykde
[04:01] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, How should I get that bash thing working? You said something about 'then logout backing etc'?
[04:01] <imbrandon> yea log out ( of your account ) and log back in ( easyest to reboot computer )
[04:01] <mustard5> Poker_, I'm not sure I can think of what the problem might be
[04:02] <imbrandon> heya Riddell  ;)
[04:02] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, I did that, but I cannot in a regular xterm write e17 commands -_-
[04:02] <imbrandon> nox-Hand, at terminal type "echo $PATH"
[04:03] <imbrandon> see if your changes are there
[04:03] <nox-Hand> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[04:03] <h3sp4wn> nox-Hand: did you put it in .bashrc as well ?
[04:03] <nox-Hand> So, no.
[04:03] <kosh> imbrandon: I prefer the logout/login approach versus rebooting and having all the db stuff I devel with restart :)
[04:03] <Poker_> 2 error that often appear in console are: cannot connect to X server 0.0 and error: kuniqueapplication: can't determine display.
[04:03] <kosh> imbrandon: the parallel starting stuff won't help me, the new flash drives out later this year will be a godsend for me :)
[04:03] <imbrandon> kosh, yea but not for a newb ;)
[04:03] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, >=|
[04:03] <imbrandon> nox-Hand, ok
[04:03] <nox-Hand> I aint that bad...
[04:04] <nox-Hand> Just never changed bash stuff
[04:04] <imbrandon> nox-Hand, no offence ment man, just a figure of speach
[04:04] <kosh> imbrandon: did you read about that samsung is supposed to be selling 30GB flash drives later this year for about $700, they are marketing them towards laptops and high end workstations
[04:04] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, None taken
[04:04] <imbrandon> ok ummm nox-Hand  past ( JUST THAT LINE ) from your .bash_profile
[04:04] <kosh> imbrandon: about 5x faster then a a harddrive at sequential reads and way faster for random access, about 100K to 500K r/w cycles per cell
[04:05] <imbrandon> kosh, NICE
[04:05] <kosh> imbrandon: and 1/20th the power usage when in use and pretty much nothing when idle
[04:05] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, I shall do
[04:05] <imbrandon> will be good for my mini-itx ;)
[04:05] <nuxil> man.. how do i get mplayer? i dont wanna compile it myself.. the wiki say that mplayer is avaleble via multiverse,, but i dont get it.. i have a repo in my source list that has multiverse on it
[04:05] <DocTomoe> Is there a way to set another standard permission mask on file creation for a specific user? for example, I'd like to have a user create all files on 0500 per standard...
[04:05] <nox-Hand> PATH=/opt/e17/bin:~/bin:"${PATH
[04:05] <nox-Hand>   <-- I think I need a } there...
[04:05] <kosh> imbrandon: so for things like db stuff the random access performance is close to a hundred times faster then a regular hard drive but no mechanical failures
[04:05] <imbrandon> nuxil, did you apt-get upate after you added it ?
[04:06] <nuxil> imbrandon: yes
[04:06] <imbrandon> nox-Hand, yes a } at the end
[04:06] <DocTomoe> nuxil: have you performed a apt-cahe search mplayer?
[04:06] <DocTomoe> apt-cache that is
[04:06] <nuxil> imbrandon: the repo is deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[04:07] <nuxil> imbrandon: i only see kmplayer
[04:07] <imbrandon> looks right, you do that apt-cache search mplayer ?
[04:07] <imbrandon> hmmm strange
[04:07] <nox-Hand> raster: >> enlightenment_remote -theme-set theme/modules/ibar default.edj && enlightenment_remote -theme-set theme/modules/pager default.edj
[04:07] <\etc\bin> hi all
[04:07] <imbrandon> hell \etc\bin
[04:07] <imbrandon> hello*
[04:07] <nuxil> mbrandon can i try your repo? mine is a norwegian
[04:08] <nuxil> *imbrandon:
[04:08] <imbrandon> mine is the same except its us.archive.ubun.......
[04:08] <\etc\bin> anyone tried using siera wirelss gprs/edge card on his/her ubuntu (breezy)?
[04:08] <nuxil> ok..
[04:08] <samuli> nuxil, do you have the backports in the sources list?
[04:08] <samuli> se.archive.. etc. found mplayer
[04:08] <nox-Hand> brb, gotta re log in
[04:08] <nuxil> samuli: deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse <-- dapper-backports
[04:09] <samuli> yeah.
[04:09] <samuli> do apt-get update?
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> I thought you just needed to start a new xterm or just run exec bash (from a current one)
[04:09] <nuxil> done that
[04:09] <nuxil> i'll try a us site
[04:09] <samuli> or maybe it's in the non-backports universe or multiverse.
[04:09] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, is this not correct? PATH=/opt/e17/bin:~/bin:"${PATH}
[04:10] <imbrandon> one more "
[04:10] <nuxil> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MplayerInstallHowto?highlight=%28mplayer%29
[04:10] <nox-Hand> Oh, sugar.
[04:11] <nox-Hand> brb
[04:12] <nox-Hand> imbrandon,   PATH=/opt/e17/bin:~/bin:"${PATH}"
[04:12] <nox-Hand>  - Yes?
[04:12] <nuxil> man,, this suxz
[04:12] <imbrandon> yes
[04:12] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, I just logged in and out, no effect
[04:12] <nox-Hand> I shall attempt reboot, yes?
[04:12] <imbrandon> logged in and out of what? yes
[04:13] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, Out of E17, back in though KDM
[04:13] <imbrandon> yea try a reboot
[04:13] <nox-Hand> I shall reboot then...
[04:14] <nuxil> ok.. who got mplayer installed
[04:14] <imbrandon> i do
[04:14] <Nookie^> what is the command to reconfigure xorg ??
[04:14] <Nookie^> or xserver
[04:14] <imbrandon> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:14] <Nookie^> thanx imbrandon =)
[04:14] <nuxil> imbrandon: can you paste your source list to pastbin?
[04:14] <DeBert> Are there any Dutch people here that also have problems with the Dutch repository?
[04:15] <DeBert> ...like being slow.
[04:15] <imbrandon> nuxil, are you on dapper ? ( mines is dapper sources.list )
[04:15] <nuxil> yes im on dapper
[04:15] <imbrandon> k one sec
[04:15] <nuxil> thxz..
[04:16] <samuli> nuxil, I'm telling you don't have the non- backports repositories set up correctly.
[04:16] <samuli> you should have main restricted universe multiverse there too.
[04:16] <\etc\bin> anyone tried using siera wirelss gprs/edge card on his/her ubuntu (breezy)?
[04:16] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, still /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/game
[04:17] <nuxil> samuli i have main restricted universe multiverse there,, but i dont see non- backports
[04:17] <imbrandon> nuxil, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/713534
[04:17] <johannes__> hi
[04:17] <samuli> I mean the normal dapper universe.. etc
[04:17] <johannes__> anyone knows if the nokia 6230 can be synchronised with kontact in kde351?
[04:17] <imbrandon> samuli, yea i have all that setup , he can just copy mine
[04:18] <nuxil> ok im praying now :P
[04:18] <imbrandon> besure to apt-get update
[04:18] <nuxil> i know :)
[04:18] <samuli> hmm. proposed?
[04:18] <samuli> what the hells that. gonna fuck yup one's computer?
[04:19] <imbrandon> ?
[04:19] <visik7> Meaw: don't you have a swith that support 802.1Q ?
[04:19] <visik7> sorry
[04:19] <visik7> how can I temporary disable hotplug for usb disks ?
[04:19] <samuli> imbrandon, I mean what's that in the repositories?
[04:19] <nuxil> imbrandon: thxz alot..it found it now
[04:19] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, What should I do?
[04:19] <imbrandon> samuli, its not used right now
[04:19] <samuli> something, very, very unstable stuff?
[04:19] <imbrandon> nox-Hand, not sure, looking now , that should have worked
[04:19] <ramvi> I have some trouble with X. Can anyone take a look? It won't start... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/713536
[04:19] <imbrandon> one sec
[04:20] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, =
[04:22] <DeadS0ul> holy crap
[04:22] <DeadS0ul> what ...are thoselines..
[04:22] <h3sp4wn> nox-Hand / imbrandon: That will only be executed if ~/bin exists
[04:22] <imbrandon> ahhh shiznit h3sp4wn  your right
[04:22] <imbrandon> nox-Hand, create a dir ~/bin and that should fix everything
[04:22] <nox-Hand> a dir called bin in my home dir?
[04:23] <imbrandon> yes
[04:23] <nox-Hand> done
[04:23] <nox-Hand> Then reboot again?
[04:23] <imbrandon> k now logout and back in ( shouldent need to reboot but if it dont work try it )
[04:23] <ramvi> I have some trouble with X. Can anyone take a look? It won't start... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/713536
[04:23] <imbrandon> ramvi, please dont repeat, if someone knows they will help
[04:23] <nox-Hand> brb
[04:23] <ramvi> Sorry, imbrandon
[04:24] <imbrandon> ramvi, whats it doing ?
[04:24] <imbrandon> xorg or xgl ?
[04:24] <ramvi> Don't really know :p Was trying to get xgl working
[04:24] <imbrandon> xgl try #ubuntu-xgl ,if not whats it doing
[04:25] <nox-Hand> /opt/e17/bin:/home/nox/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[04:25] <nox-Hand>  =D
[04:25] <nox-Hand> Yays!
[04:25] <imbrandon> hehe thanks h3sp4wn
[04:25] <nox-Hand> I'ts alive =)
[04:25] <nox-Hand> Thanks imbrandon, and thanks h3sp4wn =D
[04:25] <visik7> does someone know why when I plug my usbpendrive 2 icons appear on the desktop ?
[04:25] <ramvi> imbrandon, I booted and the loading cursor showed, but I was sent to shell
[04:26] <imbrandon> ramvi, if you want xgl working try #ubuntu-xgl , if you just want the old xserver back do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:26] <ramvi> when I init.d/kdm or gdm it showed the cursor again
[04:26] <johannes__> which mobile (prefer.) nokia coulb be easily get synchronised with kontact?
[04:26] <imbrandon> yea x is crashing
[04:26] <ramvi> imbrandon; I've done the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg a houndred times :( Doesn't help
[04:27] <imbrandon> ramvi, hmm i'm at a loss then , try the xgl room they are a little better at xgl stuff or try the foruim
[04:27] <xwolf-> noob question: is xgl that 3d desktop thingie i saw one of these days?
[04:27] <ramvi> ok, thanks :)
[04:27] <imbrandon> xwolf-, yea that plus compiz
[04:27] <DeadS0ul> a user in here helped me get it working
[04:27] <xwolf-> hm, right
[04:27] <DeadS0ul> you have to use gnome's window manager =\
[04:28] <xwolf-> so i cant get kubuntu dapper with 3D environment?
[04:28] <imbrandon> DeadS0ul, yea i dident say no one here would help , just that he might have better luck in #ubuntu-xgl ;)
[04:28] <imbrandon> DeadS0ul, no you dont , there are kde xgl pkgs i'mrunning it on my other comp
[04:28] <ramvi> There's just some decorations missing
[04:29] <ramvi> But gnomes' will be used
[04:29] <imbrandon> no there is a native kde one now ;)
[04:29] <ramvi> kde-decorations? Doesn't it say "Qt isn't ready yet!" ?
[04:29] <h3sp4wn> ramvi: If you are using gdm you may have changed the line under [server-Chooser]  (which should be - command=/usr/bin/X -br -audit 0) to a link to Xgl
[04:30] <imbrandon> ramvi, nope works good on my other comp
[04:30] <ramvi> cool
[04:30] <imbrandon> this is from dapper
[04:30] <imbrandon> compiz - OpenGL composition manager
[04:30] <imbrandon> compiz-gnome - Gnome window decorator and libraries for Compiz
[04:30] <imbrandon> compiz-kde - KDE window decorator for Compiz
[04:30] <ramvi> h3sp4wn: I installed gnome after kdm stopped working
[04:31] <ramvi> h3sp4wn; so I guess there can't be a problem with it..?
[04:31] <h3sp4wn> ramvi: If you do what you did previously in reverse it will work
[04:31] <ramvi> h3sp4wn; both X crashed when I try to start both kdm and gdm
[04:32] <ramvi> h3sp4wn; hehe, I've tried that ;)
[04:32] <imbrandon> what bin is your /usr/bin/X linked to ?
[04:32] <ramvi> How do I find out?
[04:32] <imbrandon> ls -l while in that dir
[04:33] <imbrandon> cd /usr/bin then "ls -l X"
[04:33] <ramvi> okay. I have to boot from windows
[04:33] <ramvi> See you :)
[04:33] <imbrandon> ?!?
[04:33] <ramvi> I'm in windows
[04:33] <imbrandon> oh my
[04:34] <ramvi> Yeah :)
[04:34] <imbrandon> when you get back in linux try irissi
[04:34] <ramvi> it's better then bitchx?
[04:34] <imbrandon> its console
[04:34] <imbrandon> no gui
[04:34] <nox-Hand> <action="kill" users="ramvi" time="now"></action>
[04:34] <ramvi> so is bitchx?
[04:34] <h3sp4wn> so is bitchx
[04:34] <imbrandon> ahh
[04:34] <ramvi> I'm getting killed by nox-Hand :()
[04:34] <ramvi> :(*
[04:34] <nox-Hand> ramvi, Deal with it ^^
[04:34] <goldenear> the last time (one week ago) I tryed compiz-kde, it doesn't work :(
[04:35] <nox-Hand> ramvi, No problem, I use XP some times..
[04:35] <nox-Hand> Whenever I mod my Motorola Phone..
[04:35] <goldenear> I had no window manager anymore after runing it
[04:35] <ramvi> kwin?
[04:35] <imbrandon> goldenear, might be a misconfig becouse i am running it downstairs just fine
[04:36] <ramvi> compiz-kde works like a charm (I think), it's just that when you run compiz <decoration> kde-decorations dosn't work, but gnome-dec. does
[04:36] <goldenear> ok
[04:36] <goldenear> so how to run compiz-kde ?
[04:37] <imbrandon> first you have to get xgl working
[04:38] <h3sp4wn> I still SGI's x server is more impressive than XGL just the way the windows move (even on a very old SGI)
[04:38] <nox-Hand> I have 3ddesktop
[04:38] <nox-Hand> That's okay, I just need to figure how I can get it to work with E17 and my completely sexy desktop ^^
[04:39] <goldenear> imbrandon: xgl is working fine here (fullscreen or windowed)
[04:39] <ramvi> Heya :)
[04:40] <h3sp4wn> nox-Hand: I prefer e-17 (to kde) in terms of looks but its crashes too much
[04:40] <nox-Hand> h3sp4wn, When did you last use it?
[04:40] <goldenear> btw, is there a way to run a windowed X server (X insinde X) without Xgl ?
[04:40] <ramvi> ls -l X in /usr/bin returnes X
[04:40] <nox-Hand> h3sp4wn, It is quite 'stable' now IMHO :) Mine hasn't ever crashed.
[04:40] <imbrandon> goldenear, xnest
[04:40] <nox-Hand> And with all the new features, and the GUI CVS updater, it is very nice =)
[04:40] <h3sp4wn> xnest is depreciated
[04:41] <imbrandon> h3sp4wn, but still works
[04:41] <h3sp4wn> you should use Xephyr
[04:41] <ramvi> imbrandon; there's only one dir in /usr/bin. It's X11
[04:41] <ramvi> What now? :)
[04:41] <imbrandon> ramvi, dunno man your past me
[04:41] <ramvi> :s
[04:42] <nox-Hand> ramvi, You are in trouble. If something is past the holy imbrandon, you should rm -rf / (( DO NOT EVER TO THIS!!!)), and go cry in a corner with a green teddybear.
[04:42] <imbrandon> hahahah not quite
[04:43] <nox-Hand> imbrandon, ;)
[04:43] <ramvi> hehe
[04:43] <goldenear> h3sp4wn: apt-get install xephyr doesn't work :/
[04:43] <nox-Hand> I did rm -r / once 0_o
[04:43] <ramvi> sudo rm would do more harm though
[04:43] <goldenear> but apt-get xnest doest
[04:43] <imbrandon> h3sp4wn, xephyr isnt in dapper repos
[04:43] <h3sp4wn> xserver-xephyr
[04:43] <goldenear> what's wrong with xnest ?
[04:43] <nox-Hand> An evil guy from a Gentoo channel said that was how to run a file X(   || I had only just gotten my linux fully configured....
[04:44] <ramvi> What command do I run to change from Xgl to Xorg? It's in the wiki...
[04:44] <ramvi> ln -sf something
[04:44] <ramvi> I just did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again :p
[04:45] <imbrandon> ramvi, you will have to undo all the config changes too not just relink to X instead of Xgl
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> Its is in the dapper repos xserver-xephyr - and is it alot faster than xnest
[04:45] <imbrandon> cool h3sp4wn  i'll have to give it a try
[04:45] <goldenear> ok found it h3sp4wn
[04:46] <goldenear> thanks
[04:46] <ramvi> imbrandon; isn't that done with dpkg?
[04:46] <imbrandon> ramvi, no thats done by hand undoing what the wiki told you to do ( you did backup right ? )
[04:47] <imbrandon> ( mostly changes in the way kdm starts x )
[04:47] <ramvi> imbrandon; it didn't tell me to do anything... Just install compiz and change the files
[04:47] <imbrandon> ramvi, yes IE UNCHANGE the files ;)
[04:47] <ramvi> sudo Xorg don't crash... Doesn't do much though
[04:48] <ramvi> Neither does Xgl :p
[04:49] <imbrandon> then you probbly have wrong settings in your kdmrc
[04:49] <imbrandon> brb gonna grab some soda
[04:49] <ramvi> imbrandon; But why doesn't gdm start up then? :(
[04:49] <ramvi> thanks so much for your help :)
[04:50] <imbrandon> no idea man, like i said this is just a tad past me, just trying to give ya some ideas
[04:50] <ramvi> thanks :)
[04:53] <ramvi> ooooh, damn. So it's reinstall time?
[04:54] <ramvi> Hello ms. ubuntu breezer cd
[04:54] <DrNickRiviera> i'm trying to play a dvd with xine, sound works fine, but the picture is just blue
[04:54] <DrNickRiviera> this is the log i get in the console http://pastebin.com/713583
[04:55] <ramvi> Sounds like a codecproblem. Go get the codec
[04:55] <DrNickRiviera> is that a problem with libdvdcss, or the way the dvd rom is mounted?
[04:56] <h3sp4wn>  DrNickRiviera: Did you run the shell script to install libdvdcss ?
[04:56] <DrNickRiviera> hmm, think i did
[04:56] <hastesaver> DrNickRiviera, try mplayer ;)
[04:56] <DrNickRiviera> followed the instructions on the ubuntu wiki
[04:57] <imbrandon> DrNickRiviera, config xine to use a diffrent -vo
[04:57] <imbrandon> i had that smae problem
[04:57] <DrNickRiviera> have tried that, most of the others don't even get as far as showing me the blue screen, that i get with xv
[04:58] <imbrandon> i had to use opengl
[04:58] <imbrandon> to make it work
[04:58] <DrNickRiviera> what do i open with mplayer then, one of the vob files?
[04:58] <imbrandon> mplayer will open dvd:// i think
[04:59] <DrNickRiviera> got the same problem i used to have with mplayer and dvd's on fedora
[04:59] <DrNickRiviera> it doesn't seem to like my graphics card very much
[04:59] <h3sp4wn> DrNick: Are you using ATI (breezy or dapper)
[04:59] <imbrandon> -vo opengl dident work >?
[05:00] <goldenear> will there be a kaffeine-gstreamer package for dapper ?
[05:00] <imbrandon> goldenear, eventualy probbly
[05:00] <DrNickRiviera> no, got a matrox g450 (dapper)
[05:01] <nox-Hand> Oh noes! a Matrox :eek:
[05:01] <nox-Hand> I had a g400 once.. It was crap..
[05:01] <goldenear> imbrandon: but it's not sure ?
[05:01] <goldenear> won't be part of the base install ?
[05:02] <DrNickRiviera> i love matrox graphics cards, never caused me any trouble apart from getting dvd's to play in mplayer ;)
[05:02] <h3sp4wn> I had a matrox millenium and it was brilliant
[05:03] <imbrandon> i had a matrox dualhead 4xx ( 400 or 450 ) and it was nice
[05:03] <DrNickRiviera> opengl doesn't work at all in mplayer, x11 does, but only in a window, as soon as i make it fullscreen it's really slow
[05:03] <DrNickRiviera> yeah, mine is dualhead too, don't use that at the moment though
[05:03] <DrNickRiviera> this is the reason i started using xine, mplayer just doesn't get on with something in my system
[05:04] <DrNickRiviera> added to which i find xine to be the better player
[05:04] <imbrandon> DrNickRiviera, if -vo x11 in mplayer works it whould work in xine too
[05:05] <h3sp4wn> DrNickRiviera: try adding Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" to xorg.conf (under Device)
[05:05] <imbrandon> brb gotta reboot and do some hardware cahnges, good luck all
[05:05] <DrNickRiviera> in xine x11 does the exact same thing as xv, blue screen and sound works fine
[05:06] <h3sp4wn> DrNickRiviera: seems like its a known bug in xorg
[05:07] <chris____> hi, is it possible to have one profile for one directory, but another profile for viewing all other directories in konqueror? I have a download dir that I want sorted by "modified" but everything else sorted by name.
[05:07] <DrNickRiviera> should i just add that line outside the device section?
[05:08] <h3sp4wn> DrNickRiviera: in the device section
[05:08] <feistel> hi
[05:08] <DrNickRiviera> ok
[05:08] <feistel> how I can disable the update for a package?
[05:09] <DrNickRiviera> just noticed that i've got several entries for wacom input devices in the xorg.conf
[05:09] <DrNickRiviera> i get loads of error messages regarding that when i boot, but i don't have any wacom devices
[05:09] <DrNickRiviera> can i just remove those?
[05:09] <h3sp4wn> I got rid of those lines with no problems
[05:09] <Hobbsee> !backup
[05:09] <ubotu> For information on backing up your system, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81311 Available packages for backing up are backuppc (web based), backup2l, backup-manager, backupninja, bkp, bacula amongst others
[05:10] <Hoobly> I have a .deb file sitting on my desktop and after running apt-get install on that .deb, I get Done, Done and E: Couldn't find package.  What gives?
[05:10] <linyll> hi, i try to install windows decoration but i need iceWM and i do not how install it, this is for it ( http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=35063 )
[05:10] <DrNickRiviera> can i reload the xorg.conf somehow, or do i have to reboot?
[05:11] <h3sp4wn> DrNickRiviera: do /etc/init.d/kdm restart but it will close your current session (or gdm)
[05:11] <DrNickRiviera> ok
[05:12] <nox-Hand> Does anyone know of an application that can log into the Google Talk interface in Linux?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Hoobly: use sudo dpkg -i nameofdeb.deb
[05:12] <nox-Hand> **googles it up**
[05:13] <Hobbsee> nox-Hand: IIRC, you could do that from gaim or kopete
[05:13] <h3sp4wn> Jabber
[05:13] <nox-Hand> Hobbsee, Indeed, Gaim or Psy
[05:13] <Hobbsee> !restricted
[05:13] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[05:13] <nox-Hand> How is Psy? I use Gaim for MSN..
[05:15] <nox-Hand> **installs psi**
[05:18] <Hoobly> I have a .deb file sitting on my desktop and after running apt-get install on that .deb file, I get Done, Done and E: Couldn't find package.  Any ideas?
[05:18] <h3sp4wn> use dpkg -i
[05:18] <h3sp4wn> sudo dpkg -i sorry
[05:18] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:19] <Hoobly> I'll give it a shot.
[05:20] <Hoobly> worked!!
[05:20] <nox-Hand> Oh psi looks nice =)
[05:26] <nox-Hand> To all people who don't know how nice E17 is >> http://sector-42.frih.net/docs/screenshots/screenshot3.png
[05:27] <chris____> hey, what did you guys do with the "change view per folder" option in konqueror? used to be under settings..
[05:27] <kkathman> nox-Hand: looks alot like KDE :)
[05:29] <nox-Hand> kkathman, Not really, IMHO
[05:29] <kkathman> nox-Hand: cant see much difference at all
[05:29] <nox-Hand> Well, I modded it a bit, in regular version, it doesnt at all. Some like the original better, but I like this
[05:29] <kkathman> if any
[05:29] <nox-Hand> kkathman, You wont untill you use it
[05:29] <kkathman> nox-Hand:  how so?
[05:31] <nox-Hand> Well, it's very light, you can right click and click on 'edit', and just resize// move every single thing to your liking, it comes with easy to use modules, which you can also move about, unload or whatever. Then it is also animated, but still very quick. Loads up in about 1 second here =)
[05:31] <kkathman> load time is nice :)
[05:32] <kkathman> kde in kubuntu is quite slow in fact
[05:32] <samuli> lol.
[05:32] <h3sp4wn> But it doesn't crash
[05:32] <h3sp4wn> e-17 does / did
[05:32] <kkathman> much slower than other distros
[05:32] <samuli> have you tried gnome kathman?
[05:32] <samuli> it's unbearably **king slow :)
[05:33] <kkathman> yes I run gnome predominately on ubuntu, but do have k-desktop to run k-apps
[05:33] <kkathman> sampan:  actually, gnome is much more responsive under dapper
[05:33] <kkathman> oops samuli I mean
[05:33] <h3sp4wn> Is ubuntu's firefox fixed yet ?
[05:34] <kkathman> but KDE under other distros is blindingly fast
[05:34] <nox-Hand> h3sp4wn, Hasn't crashed on me yet.
[05:36] <h3sp4wn> nox-Hand: If you have only just got the apps into your path you can't have been running it for that long - also running anything from cvs is hit or miss depending on its current state
[05:37] <kkathman> running cvs period is a bit dicey though admittedly
[05:37] <kkathman> depending on what apps are involved, of course :)
[05:37] <Seantater> kkathman: what distro's faster -- I'd like to try
[05:37] <kkathman> Seantater: just pick one that has a reasonably native kde
[05:37] <nox-Hand> h3sp4wn, I have had it a week, just never needed the remote ;)
[05:38] <nox-Hand> h3sp4wn, And that's on this Linux, before I used it on my Gentoo
[05:38] <kkathman> I run both Ubuntu and SUSE for instance
[05:38] <Seantater> kkathman: which do you prefer -- I was going to try arch or Gentoo
[05:38] <kkathman> I prefer ubuntu/Gnome to kubuntu... but run KDE on SUSE
[05:40] <kkathman> Ive neverbut please remember Im on Dapper, too...with the new Gnome
[05:40] <h3sp4wn> Seantater: try Sorcerer Linux or FreeBSD
[05:40] <kkathman> oops...forgot to delete somestuff there :)
[05:40] <h3sp4wn> Seantater: KDE is very fast under bsd
[05:41] <nbdy> hello
[05:41] <kkathman> KDE is very fast under BSD - SUSE too for that matter
[05:41] <sola> anyone knows, where can i found tutorial about remastering kubuntu livecd