[00:02] <cojmeliegrigore[> anyway i have read before about the option you mentioned and tried it. no positive result
[00:09] <arraybolt3[m]> cojmeliegrigore: Hmm. Can you open a terminal and run "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link from that? (This will show me what drives are recognized by your system, but note that it may also reveal what Snaps you have installed, so if you don't want that, run "lsblk" all by itself, paste the output into a text file, redact any personal info, then send the output from that here, preferably using http://bpa.st as a
[00:09] <arraybolt3[m]> pastebin.
[00:10] <cojmeliegrigore[> i have no privacy issues
[00:14]  * cojmeliegrigore[ posted a file: (1KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/TXnGuzVQAfoGqWlWYselftUp/termbin.com%E2%81%84qf6p.txt >
[00:15] <cojmeliegrigore[> arraybolt3:there u go
[00:17] <cojmeliegrigore[> i don't think the SSD is present, but in Info Center -> PCI it appears like this
[00:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Weird. Is it visible in Windows?
[00:18] <cojmeliegrigore[> 01:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller: Sandisk Corp WD Black 2018/SN750 / PC SN720 NVMe SSD (prog-if 02 [NVM Express])... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/174d562104ae92ca49f5c0a56bbf3f339bc6a05d)
[00:18] <cojmeliegrigore[> arraybolt3[m]: this leads to another weird situation
[00:22] <cojmeliegrigore[> I tried reinstalling windows after I read on many sites that linus distros have an knows issue with SSD cards, but surprize i didn'd succed. The setup installer returned an info that i dont have drivers / firmware for some hardware (it didn't specified which) and afterwards the installer halted and rebooted the system.
[00:22] <arraybolt3[m]> cojmeliegrigore: That sounds like RST is still enabled somehow.
[00:23] <arraybolt3[m]> cojmeliegrigore: You might ask about this in #ubuntu, there's lots more people there who might know the answer to the problem.
[00:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> #ubuntu:libera.chat specifically
[00:23] <cojmeliegrigore[> what does RST stands for ?
[00:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Intel Rapid Storage Technology.
[00:23] <arraybolt3[m]> (Otherwise known as "oh great now I can't install Ubuntu :(")
[00:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> RST will mess you up every time.
[00:24] <cojmeliegrigore[> i understand
[00:24] <arraybolt3[m]> It's one of the very few hardware settings that can act as a total blocker if you can't turn it off. If that happens, you're banished to the world of alternate storage devices (which sounds like where you're at right now).
[00:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Even Windows can be thrown for a loop by it if you don't do things just right.
[00:26] <arraybolt3[m]> (You might be able to buy an external USB NVMe adapter. Not sure how much that will mess up your speeds, but it would be something if you're entirely unable to turn off RST or something is keeping the SSD from working.)
[00:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> I've had gigantic amounts of success with those. ^
[00:27] <cojmeliegrigore[> yes I have already thought about purchasing an external USB adapter.
[00:27] <cojmeliegrigore[> afterall the speeds are not so important if I can't use the drive
[00:28] <cojmeliegrigore[> but i hope i will find a solution to fix it
[00:29] <cojmeliegrigore[> i'll keep searching. but i have to thank you for your time and implication
[00:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Glad to help, sorry the answer was less than awesome.
[00:31] <cojmeliegrigore[> no worries. the answer was more than enough regarding the context
[09:02] <wonko[m]> Is RST the new name for the soft raid nonsense?
[09:46] <tomreyn> not really new. and intel only.
[12:30] <cojmeliegrigore[> Hy people! Is there anybody willing to help out a poor man with a hardware/software problem ?
[13:04] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: hi there, you're welcome to just ask your question, so anyone who can answer it can try to.
[13:05] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: note that there is also #ubuntu if you have questions about things which are not directly related to the ubuntustudio audio software and its graphical desktop
[13:12] <cojmeliegrigore[> Hytomreyn . Thanks for implication. have installed ubuntu and totally removed windows and my SSD card PC SN720 NVMe 512 GB is not available anymore. I mention that it wasn't available in the installation proces either. I have am Lenovo all in one 520-27ICB system. I have read and tried several actions for repairing the issue but none worked.
[13:14] <cojmeliegrigore[> my situation it is regarding the fact that the os no longer recognozes SSD card
[13:14] <cojmeliegrigore[> i trued multiple 'solutions' i read about over internet and forums
[13:15] <cojmeliegrigore[> i think it is more than a month since i am struggling with this issue
[16:00] <tomreyn> cojmeliegrigore[: i understand that you're saying you physically removed the NVME, and now Ubuntu (or Ubuntu Studio) no longer detects ths NVME. this seems like the expected result of removing the hardware. am i misunderstanding something?
[16:11] <cojmeliegrigore[>  no sorry. perhaps i have explained in a wrong way. i havent removed anything physically. The system i have is a lenovo all in one 520-27ICB that came with windows 10 installed. so one day i have decided to quit using windows and installed Ubuntu. so i have completely removed windows. and that was the last time used the SSD drive. the SSD was not recongnized neither in Ubuntu setup nor later after the installation completed.
[16:12] <cojmeliegrigore[> Afterwards I have tried several linux distros
[16:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> cojmeliegrigore: No, what tomreyn was saying was that you might get better help in the #ubuntu:libera.chat channel, which supports Ubuntu Studio as well.
[16:13] <cojmeliegrigore[> Neither one of them 'saw' rthe SSD
[16:14] <tomreyn> i see. but you were able to install ubuntustudio on another disk, so you have it running there now?
[16:14] <cojmeliegrigore[> thanks for the advice Eickmeyer . I already submitted a question in the Ubuntu libera chat
[16:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, then please don't cross post.
[16:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> That goes against the IRC guidelines, which apply here as well.
[16:15] <cojmeliegrigore[> got it
[16:15] <cojmeliegrigore[> appologies
[16:15] <tomreyn> i haven't seen the other post in #ubuntu
[16:15] <tomreyn> maybe post it there again, if it's been a long time ago
[16:16] <cojmeliegrigore[> tomreyn: yes. the system comes with a SSD drive of 512 GB and a HDD drive of 1 TB. so i was able to install the os on the regular hard drivwe
[16:17] <tomreyn> shall we move over to #ubuntu:libera.chat then?
[16:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I don't see it at all.
[16:17] <cojmeliegrigore[> sure
[16:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> Might be best, this isn't an Ubuntu Studio-speicific issue, but a general troubleshooting issue and others might have more ideas.
[16:18] <cojmeliegrigore[> appreciate your insight Eickmeyer
[16:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> np


[06:39] <hsunda3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved says Next Bug Squad Team Meeting, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 .... any update to tha
[15:20] <ailo> Hi. How can I redirect launchpad bugs to a mail list at lists.ubuntu.com?
[15:21] <ailo> I tried using the mail list as contact adress, but that didn't seem to work
[15:23] <ailo> I'm using a launchpad team to subscribe to bugs from a project, and would like for the bugs to be forwarded to the mail list.
[15:23] <ailo> Perhaps this is more of a launchpad question?
[21:14] <TheLordOfTime> hey, anyone on bugcontrol around?
[21:14] <TheLordOfTime> or bugsquad :P
[21:15] <TheLordOfTime> are we not pointing people to ubuntuforums.org anymore?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#A_support_request
[21:15] <TheLordOfTime> i know Canonical kind of endorses Ask Ubuntu, but..
[21:15] <TheLordOfTime> .
[21:32] <lifeless> TheLordOfTime: its not a Canonical thing to endorse Ask Ubuntu; its an Ubuntu community thing.
[21:34] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: you can add the fora to the list
[21:36] <TheLordOfTime> lifeless: hggdh:  i'll update the Responses wiki and then the qa tools, but first i've got to get the hell off of windows
[21:36] <TheLordOfTime> windows is evil
[21:36] <TheLordOfTime> </absolute fact>
[21:38] <hggdh> heh. If that helps, I did hold a Windows certified software engineer (or whatever was/is the name. But even then, I had it because I was forced by my (then) company... Even though I worked primarily with Unix
[21:39] <TheLordOfTime> same here
[21:39] <TheLordOfTime> i have to have Windows for work
[21:39] <TheLordOfTime> but I prefer UNIX and Linux
[21:40] <hggdh> I had to, to be supported by IS. Then I found that if I installed Linux, I "would be completely unsupported". Then I moved to Linux :-). Of course, I still have windows machines for testing
[21:41] <hggdh> s/have/had/
[21:41] <hggdh> No windows anymore


[06:41] <mundonet> hola
[06:41] <mundonet> hay alguien??
[06:42] <mundonet> que hable español??
[06:42] <Unit193> !es | mundonet
[06:43] <mundonet> gracias
[06:45] <Unit193> Da nada.
[07:10] <xubuntu048> so Have a question
[07:11] <xubuntu048> regarding the best server to use with xubuntu
[07:14] <xubuntu048> whatever... no response i'm out
[09:02] <heraclitis> I'm having problems with my networking connection. I try to ping my loopback, no response. My gateway, no response.
[09:02] <baizon> heraclitis: post your ifconfig output on paste.ubuntu.com please
[09:03] <moetunes> heraclitis:  does   ifconfig -a   show the device is UP ?
[09:06] <heraclitis> moetunes: yes pasting in a few seconds. Had to transfer from one computer to another.
[09:08] <heraclitis> Pasted.
[09:08] <baizon> heraclitis: post link here ;)
[09:08] <heraclitis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1557867/
[09:08] <heraclitis> I see how that works. That's pretty awesome.
[09:09] <baizon> heraclitis: try to ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:10] <baizon> or what is your gateways ip adress?
[09:10] <heraclitis> I waited 13103ms, 100% packet loss. 14 packets transmitted. And my gateway is <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:10] <heraclitis> ip address <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:10] <heraclitis> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:11] <baizon> heraclitis: yes, saw it on your paste
[09:11] <heraclitis> ignore ipv6, it's irrelevant (my router doesn't support it).
[09:11] <baizon> is it your home network?
[09:12] <heraclitis> It is my home network.
[09:12] <baizon> heraclitis: you dont use a mac filter right?
[09:12] <heraclitis> negative
[09:13] <heraclitis> Never could get that configuration to work properly. lol
[09:15] <heraclitis> What baffles me is that I can't even ping my own computer.
[09:15] <baizon> you cant ping localhost?
[09:17] <moetunes> is there a /etc/hosts file that mentions localhost ?
[09:18] <heraclitis> negative. And when I ping from my laptop, I get this response: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1557884/
[09:18] <heraclitis> And no, I can't ping localhost. Give me one second moetunes. I'll check
[09:20] <baizon> heraclitis: try to ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:20] <heraclitis> I have <IP_ADDRESS> listed as Localhost in /etc/hosts. And <IP_ADDRESS> as $compname in the same file.
[09:21] <heraclitis> I ping <IP_ADDRESS> with 100% packet loss
[09:25] <heraclitis> I've been monitoring the interface with wireshark, and I get icmp Destination unreachable (host unreachable) errors. All traffic is local, from 46132 using the UDP protocol
[09:25] <moetunes> can you paste /etc/hosts ?
[09:25] <heraclitis> Occasionally I'll get an attempted ARP to the default gateway. And I'll paste that in a second.
[09:27] <moetunes> I'm pretty sure it'll be a config somewhere
[09:28] <heraclitis> moetunes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1557904/
[09:29] <moetunes> so hostname is unreal?
[09:29] <heraclitis> Yes
[09:30] <heraclitis> It was the first thing that came to mind
[09:30] <heraclitis> While installing
[09:30] <heraclitis> You know, like "unreal, man"
[09:30] <moetunes> what is setting the eth1 to <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[09:31] <moetunes> why is it 127..0.1.1 in /etc/hosts?
[09:31] <moetunes> why is it <IP_ADDRESS> in /etc/hosts?
[09:32] <heraclitis> My networking connections is setting it to <IP_ADDRESS>. Manual configuration. And I don't know why it's <IP_ADDRESS> That caught my attention as well.  Should I make it the same as localhost?
[09:32] <moetunes> no - make it <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:33] <heraclitis> Okay one sec.
[09:39] <heraclitis> Done, restarted networking. I get this error when restarting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1557947/
[09:41] <heraclitis> I'm guessing my /etc/network/interfaces should contain something referring to eth0 or eth1 and their ip configuration, but I don't know the syntax, or if I'm right.
[09:44] <moetunes> try    service network restart
[09:46] <heraclitis> I believe the syntax of that command would be "service networking restart" and it says stop:Unknown instance:Start: Job failed to start
[09:46] <heraclitis> Bad formatting there.
[09:48] <moetunes> have you installed xubuntu in ubuntu then manually set the network up?
[09:49] <moetunes> seems like you need to set the /etc/network/interfaces file up manually too
[09:54] <heraclitis> No, it was a fairly fresh install of xubuntu from the desktop iso image. I needed something faster than ubuntu. And I just tried setting up the /etc/network/interfaces file manually. No luck. Same error as before. I followed the syntax for static routing as shown here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basic_syntax_of_etc_network_interfaces
[09:55] <heraclitis> I actually have two network adaptors. Both were working until this last boot. Now one says "device not managed". And the other is giving me problems.
[09:56] <heraclitis> I've even tried using usb instead of ethernet to connect. I do have dhcp disabled on my modem, and I'm using google's dns servers. So I have to statically route.
[09:57] <moetunes> ok. I'd try another reboot just to check if it is a one of glitch or check in dmesg for clues on why it filed
[09:58] <moetunes> *failed
[09:58] <heraclitis> okay. Rebooting now.
[10:01] <heraclitis> The plymouth splash screen says "Waiting for network configuration". That's new. Doesn't seem to be working. How do I access dmesg? And what sort of clues should I watch for?
[10:04] <moetunes> I would start with   dmesg | grep -i net   in a terminal
[10:07] <heraclitis> I don't know how to read this output, so I'll send it your way. Give me a sec.
[10:09] <heraclitis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1558101/
[10:15] <moetunes> there seems to be some fail there on the "terminated with status 1" lines and the last suggests networkmanager is starting
[10:17] <heraclitis> I discovered one error, in the /etc/network/interfaces. Where it said "iface lo", it should have said "auto lo". So now I can ping localhost "unreal" (compname).
[10:18] <heraclitis> Now I need to gain lan access. I'm going to try to reboot, and see if the changes to /etc/network/interfaces made a difference.
[10:22] <heraclitis> Off topic, but how to I read the messages that are listed during shutdown? I keep getting something about "insecure pipe" (to paraphrase immensely). It scrolls by too quickly to read it. I know it's not related to this issue though.
[10:25] <heraclitis> I've restarted. I'm now getting a massive packet loss while pinging the default gateway, but I'm getting one. Average packet loss seems to be about 94%. (2 of 35 received). Making progress. Lol
[10:25] <heraclitis> No connection to outside world, though.
[10:28] <moetunes> shutdown messages aren't logged anywhere
[10:30] <heraclitis> Before restart, I also edited the /etc/network/interfaces to read: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1558224/
[10:30] <moetunes> I'm guessing there is still something upn with your interfaces file
[10:32] <moetunes> remove the dns-domain line and eth0 can't be auto and static afaik
[10:35] <heraclitis> I just remembered something that may make a difference. I've been playing around with tor for a while, and me being the "monkey see, monkey do" type with computers (i like to see what'll happen)... I edited some of the configuration of ~/.ssh
[10:35] <heraclitis> And I removed that line. Is there a way to reset ~/.ssh to defaults?
[10:36] <moetunes> ssh won't interfere with a net connection
[10:36] <moetunes> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_network_interface_with_the_static_ip
[10:36] <heraclitis> after removing "auto" and the "dns domain" lines from the file, I loose connectivity from the default gateway.
[10:37] <moetunes> ^ says no auto wiyh static
[10:38] <moetunes> nameserver should be in /etc/resolv.conf instead of the interfaces file
[10:38] <heraclitis> oh okay. I'll change that.
[10:39] <heraclitis> When I go to change that file it says "Do not edit this file by hand -- Your changes will be overwritten"
[10:40] <heraclitis> it says nameserver is <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:40] <moetunes> that's from networkmanager which you should make sure doesn't run if you are manually setting the network
[10:43] <heraclitis> so I should change nameserver to <IP_ADDRESS> if I want it to be google's dns server?
[10:45] <moetunes> yes if you stop networkmanager from running
[10:46] <moetunes> can't stress that enough
[10:46] <moetunes> can't stress that enough
[10:47] <heraclitis> How do I stop networkmanager from running on boot? I know I can stop it while the comp is running, but at boot it'll try to start automatically, won't it?
[10:50] <moetunes> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager#Disabling_NetworkManager
[10:55] <heraclitis> I'm up and running. I deleted everything in the /etc/network/interfaces with the exception of "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback". Then I stopped networking by running "sudo service network-manager stop" then I ran "sudo start network-manager". Worked like a charm. I'm viewing google now from that computer. Thanks for everything, sir. I wish there were a way to repay you for your time and effort.
[10:56] <moetunes> you gave up doing the manual setup you had? glad it's working :)
[10:59] <heraclitis> I am still using manual ip address and dns configuration. But through network manager. I can't use auto dns or address leasing through my router. It's a pos from my ISP. I need to get a cisco. Lol. I'm glad it's working, too.
[11:00] <heraclitis> Now I can finally get off this Ubuntu 12.04 laptop. After using xubuntu, I can't go back. I'll find you when I log in over on my desktop.
[11:08] <heraclitis> Thanks again, moetunes!
[11:08] <moetunes> cheers ;)
[11:15] <heraclitis> moetunes: are you using pidgin? If so, I have a movie I'd like to give you in exchange for your help.
[11:20] <moetunes> heraclitis:  I use weechat and I saw the movie was ready to be transfered but I have plenty of movies thaks ;)
[11:20] <moetunes> s/thaks/thanks/
[11:21] <heraclitis> No thank you. If there's anything I help you with, let me know. I'd be glad to try.
[11:22]  * Yotson (scratching each others back)++ :D
[11:23] <moetunes> it's all good. this is what support channels are for :)
[12:40] <niuniomartinez> Hi. I have a problem with OpenGL.
[12:41] <niuniomartinez> It does work (Open Arena, SuperTux Kart, eDuke32) but Allegro has some problems.
[12:43] <niuniomartinez> They suggested (http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/61153) that it's a problem with drivers.
[12:44] <niuniomartinez> But I don't know which one I'm using...
[14:09] <Cristiano> Pessoal alguém ai poderia me dizer se o conky funciona bem no Xubuntu 12.10?
[14:32] <heraclitis> how to proxy all terminal commands like wget, hg, and apt?
[14:34] <koegs> heraclitis: http://askubuntu.com/questions/69983/proxy-settings-not-working
[14:34] <koegs> the rest depends on the programs
[16:23] <heraclitis> good voip service for pstn on xubuntu? not cisco?
[16:25] <holstein> heraclitis: "good" is a matter of opinion.. what are you looking for? and what have you tried? and what hasnt worked about what you have tried? i thought pstn was not a voip
[16:26] <heraclitis> I have only used Magicjack, but it only works in Windows. I would stay in Ubuntu all the time if my phone service could be transferred here as well. Magicjack uses voip to transfer to pstn. I would like something I could use with a current number, or a new one for little to no cost. Up time of more than 80 percent would be great, as well. secure would be excellent, but not a requirement.
[16:28] <holstein> heraclitis: you can port your # to google voice or a similar service and use it on the operating system or device you choose
[16:28] <heraclitis> I've been giving serious thought to nettalk... it can stand alone or be plugged into a computer. Similar to magicjack. I'm using the old usb dongle for magicjack.
[16:28] <heraclitis> Good point. I didn't think about google voice.
[16:28] <heraclitis> And that will allow me to make calls from my computer as though it's my old number, correct?
[16:29] <holstein> heraclitis: im not a google-fan-boy... i just like the service... there are a lot of options with google voice
[16:31] <holstein> chase follow... widgets that will go straight to voicemail and not show your #... dialing to and from other #'s... custom voicemail messages... plus, it works in the browser with linux
[16:31] <heraclitis> Lol. I reserve judgment with Google. And what's this chase follow? Is it in Synaptic?
[16:32] <holstein> heraclitis: if you want to program a few #'s for google voice to try... it'll try one.. then the next.. so on, til you either answer one of the phones, or it goes to voicemail
[16:33] <heraclitis> That's pretty neat.
[16:33] <heraclitis> I'm checking it out now.
[16:35] <holstein> heraclitis: its not a "linux" solution, but it works in linux... i would just read about it, and feel free to /join the #xubuntu-offtopic channel and i'll share more specifics
[17:13] <Ronalds_M> how to reset password in freenode
[17:14] <Ronalds_M> damn nickserv is saying that I'm not allowed to do that
[17:16] <holstein> Ronalds_M: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#changepass
[17:34] <Ronalds_M> tnx Holstein
[17:34] <Ronalds_M> but in reality
[17:34] <Ronalds_M> freenode has turned that thing off
[17:34] <Ronalds_M> so you have to go to freenode channel
[17:34] <Ronalds_M> and ask staff to reset it
[17:50] <holstein> Ronalds_M: that thing?
[17:51] <holstein> Ronalds_M: you should alert the staff in the channel if the documentaion is not current
[18:04] <heraclitis> how to allow virtualbox through ufw?
[18:04] <heraclitis> nat or bridged best?
[18:04] <holstein> heraclitis: i usually change settings so the vm gets an ip from the router
[18:04] <holstein> then, its the same as if it were a normal machine on the network
[18:05] <heraclitis> and would that be nat or bridged to config that way?
[18:06] <holstein> heraclitis: i dont think you can bridge, and share the IP of the main machine, and get a seperate IP to the VM
[18:06] <heraclitis> I have two network adaptors. (3 if necessary).
[18:06] <heraclitis> If that makes a difference.
[18:07] <holstein> heraclitis: i have only ever set up the VM so it gets an IP from the main gateway, just as a normal machine...
[18:07] <heraclitis> I have it set up that way. default gateway is the same, ip lease is the same, dns the same, but only lo (<IP_ADDRESS>) has any activity or connectivity.
[18:09] <holstein> heraclitis: you are getting an ip from theh gateway? can you ping the gateway? and/or other machines on your network?
[18:09] <holstein> did you "break" the dns settings trying to set a static ip?
[18:09] <heraclitis> no ping from gateway on VM, from host, yes. I'm communicating with you on it. And I set up my dns manually.
[18:10] <holstein> heraclitis: then its not set up properly
[18:10] <holstein> heraclitis: when you can ping the gateway, you'll be able to forward ports from the gateway to the VM
[18:10] <heraclitis> I'll keep working at it. lol
[18:54] <geoff__> Hi - this is my first post here - just observing
[19:01] <knome> !hi | geoff__
[19:03] <geoff__> Hi knome and ubottu
[19:04] <knome> hello geoff. btw, if you are looking for a channel for random (non-support) chatter, we have #xubuntu-offtopic
[19:04] <geoff__> Thanks very much for that guys
[19:05] <knome> no problem
[19:05] <geoff__> I anticipate I will be normally logged on as BlinkinCat
[19:06] <knome> geoff__, sure, no problem :)
[19:06] <Bon-chan> can you guys suggest me a good system monitor? to place it at the workspace. i have the defaults in my window panel but want to try a diferent one
[19:07] <geoff__> How come NickServ states I am not logged on?
[19:09] <Pici> because you aren't.
[19:12] <geoff__> I don't understand that - if my words can be seen - I won't take up your time - perhaps I will go and observe off-topic
[19:12] <Ronalds_M> trying to boot Mac OS X in virtual machine give no bootable medium... anyone knows why that happens?
[19:13] <geoff__> Goodnight guys and thanks
[19:13] <Ronalds_M> (doing that for study purpoises only)
[19:14] <Ronalds_M> Geoff you are not logged on in freenode
[19:17] <geoff__> I really am sorry for messing that up - a steep learning curve for me - can I just exit the page without registering any damage?
[19:17] <knome> geoff__, yup.
[19:20] <geoff__> Thanks knome - now to get into the Guidelines - a good idea eh ?Goodnight all and thanks
[19:20] <knome> geoff__, good night½
[19:20] <knome> ...!
[21:39] <xubuntu369> I can not connect to the wireless network, can someone help me?
[21:43] <moetunes> xubuntu369:  there's a wiki dor that - tried it?
[21:43] <moetunes> !wifi
[21:46] <xubuntu369> moetunes: I have ubuntu 12.10, but installed Xubuntu 11.10 is for testing and disconnecting but on ubuntu connects normal!
[21:47] <xubuntu369> ubottu: thanks!!!
[22:33] <Jayneil> While plugging in an external USB device, the eject option in thunar 1.6 does not seem to work properly.. switched to nautilus, it worked fine.. anyone else facing the same issue.. ?
[22:39] <ochosi> Jayneil: "does not seem to work properly" == ?
[22:43] <Jayneil> http://pastebin.com/jVY7UFNp
[22:53] <ochosi> Jayneil: strange, what version of thunar 1.6 are you using exactly and where did you install it from?
[23:24] <Troy^> Hey just installed xubuntu 12.10 and i also installed plank. I'm trying to figure out how i can get the plank dock to start at boot
[23:41] <holstein> Troy^: in the settings menu, you'll find startup applications there somewhere in session i believe... i gtg or id look and tell you exactly, but keep digging :)
[23:56] <Jayneil> 1.6.2  and I used xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.12
[23:58] <ochosi> Jayneil: then it'd be best if you could report a bug


[00:06] <lazyPower> magicaltrout :)
[00:08] <magicaltrout> lazyPower: as a  non employee showing those slides of mark makes my life so  much more entertaining ;)
[00:08] <magicaltrout> ironically i was the last talk of the night
[00:10] <jrwren> brexit was cool if all you care about is your currency purchasing power when you visit UK.
[00:12] <magicaltrout> hey jrwren i get paid in USD... if i ignore the political side of it, i'm fine ;)
[00:12] <magicaltrout> i dont' visit the uk either, I live there.. being english n'all ;)
[00:15] <jrwren> so... if you live in UK and get paid in USD... you got a pretty hefty raise when the pound sunk?
[00:15] <magicaltrout> yeah
[00:15] <magicaltrout> i voted remain..
[00:15] <magicaltrout> shows what i know
[01:23] <blahdeblah> Anyone around to give me some initial feedback on https://code.launchpad.net/~paulgear/charm-helpers/nrpe-service-immediate-check/+merge/300682 ?
[01:24] <blahdeblah> I'm not quite sure if I've updated the test suite correctly.
[05:14] <stub> arosales: I have already set up a new nrpe upstream - https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/1603891
[05:14] <mup> Bug #1603891: Promulgate cs:~nrpe-charmers/nrpe <Juju Charms Collection:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603891>
[05:17] <stub> gnuoy: There is nothing to review in the prereq branch - it is just pulling in updated charmhelpers
[05:18] <stub> cory_fu, bdx : That charm is just cs:trusty/storage (the storage subordinate) with an updated series. I use it for testing PostgreSQL with Xenial.
[05:42] <bdx> stub: does it currently support aws ?
[05:54] <stub> bdx: I don't know. I just use it for testing locally. The storage subordinate (cs:storage) is dumb. The actual backend integration is done by https://jujucharms.com/block-storage-broker/. So whatever it supports.
[05:55] <stub> It claims to support EC2
[05:55] <bdx> totally
[06:03] <bdx> stub: I can't seem to get it to work .. no one else can verify that it works ... would you mind giving it a wherl using aws if you get a chince?
[06:03] <bdx> chance*
[06:06] <stub> I'm not setup for aws.
[07:16] <gnuoy> stub, merged. Shall I create a mp for updating maintainer in metadata.yaml ?
[07:16] <stub> gnuoy: That is https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/1603891 really.
[07:16] <mup> Bug #1603891: Promulgate cs:~nrpe-charmers/nrpe <Juju Charms Collection:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603891>
[07:18] <gnuoy> stub, ok. Are you going to sync the lp branch over to the github one since I've just merged your mp into the lp branch?
[07:19] <stub> gnuoy: There is a github branch? I created a git branch on lp.
[07:19] <gnuoy> stub, oh, sorry, misread the bug
[07:19] <stub> I can resync
[07:19] <stub> (or can I?)
[07:19] <gnuoy> stub, Are you going to sync lp-bzr branch to lp-git branch ?
[07:19] <gnuoy> sorry, out-of-sync
[07:19] <gnuoy> ack
[07:20] <stub> I was hoping to have this promulgated last week
[08:00] <stub> gnuoy: resynced
[10:00] <parad0xz> hi!!
[10:00] <parad0xz> is there any tutorial how to install juju on maas on ubuntu 16 xenial?
[10:00] <parad0xz> because as I understand things have changed
[10:54] <parad0xz> how to setup juju on maas 2??!!
[11:35] <Shruthima> Hello Team,
[11:36] <Shruthima> can anyone suggest on these issue https://github.com/juju/amulet/issues/141?
[12:05] <Shruthima> Hello Team, Can anyone suggest how to resolve these issue  https://github.com/juju/amulet/issues/141 ?
[12:24] <Shruthima> tvansteenburgh: Hi, Can anyone suggest how to resolve these issue  https://github.com/juju/amulet/issues/141 ?
[13:15] <shruthima> Hello Team, Can anyone suggest how to resolve these issue  https://github.com/juju/amulet/issues/141 ?
[13:18] <lazyPower> shruthima - The tool merges referenced in that bug are still in flight and have not landed as best i can tell. We will certainly update bug 141 on amulet when everything has landed and is easy to install/upgrade. right now its a manual process and unless you know what you're doing can leave you in an inconsistent state.
[13:18] <mup> Bug #141: Revisions created with baz 1.1 are corrupt after archive-mirror <Baz (deprecated):Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/141>
[13:18] <lazyPower> thanks mup
[13:19] <shruthima> oh k Thankyou lazypower :)
[13:20] <godleon> hi all, is juju 2.0 + OpenStack with HA ok now ?
[13:20] <lazyPower> godleon - juju 2.0 is still in beta
[13:21] <godleon> I just tried to deploy mitaka openstack with HA(use HAProxy) by juju 2.0 and maas 2.0, but it seems not worked properly.
[13:21] <godleon> lazyPower: so......not suggest use juju 2.0 to deploy openstack ?
[13:22] <lazyPower> godleon - we dont currently recommend production deployments for 2.0 until its released as GA
[13:22] <lazyPower> otherwise, go for it :)
[13:23] <godleon> lazyPower - ok, but...... can juju 1.25 deploy OpenStack mitaka with HA ?
[13:23] <lazyPower> I do believe we have several mitaka HA deployments in the wild deployed with 1.25 yes
[13:27] <godleon> lazyPower - oh......do you have bundle configuration could be reference.....?
[13:29] <lazyPower> godleon - there's a couple options here. you can use autopilot (this ships with landscape) to build and deploy a custom openstack configuration. Or you can use the openstack base bundle  - https://jujucharms.com/openstack
[13:31] <godleon> lazyPower - yap, I have tried base bundle, it can work. But I can not find OpenStack with HA example on charm store. So I tried to add haproxy charm for every openstack service, but the result did not work properly.
[13:32] <godleon> lazyPower - So that's the reason I ask if there is Openstack with HA bundle configuration for reference.
[13:34] <lazyPower> Well that's the rub godleon, some of that is highly dependent on your infra and how that is setup. A bundle for ha I don't think is one size fits all. We could use more examples sure but I know a lot of effort has been taken with autopilot to make modeling that easy.
[13:35] <lazyPower> If that's not an option, I would recommend mailing the juju list to see if someone can share their bundle or lend a hand. I'm pretty sure we have some write ups on this subject but my Google fu is failing
[13:41] <godleon> lazyPower - hmm... got it. Thanks for your suggestion. I will talk about this with my coworkers. :)
[13:42] <lazyPower> Godleon: np. Highly recommended you ping the list though. A lot of our open stackers are still busy with the rollover from becoming an official project upstream. So chances are your question will be answered there once they see the post
[13:43] <lazyPower> And as always were here to help and guide you in the mean time :)
[13:44] <godleon> lazyPower - Good point! I'll take your advice, thank you very much! :)
[13:59] <godleon> Can juju 1.25 combined with MAAS 2.0 rc2? I can not even bootstrap after setting the environment.
[14:02] <lazyPower> godleon - juju 1.25 does not support maas 2.0
[14:03] <lazyPower> i missed that portion of your question, i apologize. When you asked if 1.25 would work with mitaka i didn't connect you were using a maas 2.0
[14:03] <godleon> lazyPower - oh......my....god... :(
[14:03] <magicaltrout> now you've gone and done it lazyPower .....
[14:04] <godleon> lazyPower - that's ok. I can reinstall MAAS 1.9.3
[14:04] <lazyPower> i know, this is all clearly my fault magicaltrout
[14:04] <lazyPower> i should be flogged
[14:04] <magicaltrout> hehe
[14:05] <magicaltrout> in the stocks for you!
[14:06] <lazyPower> http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/chicken_regret_nothing.gif
[14:06] <magicaltrout> thats making me dizzy
[14:08]  * lazyPower underlines the text
[14:29] <magicaltrout> woop after 3 weeks of messing around with stupid sysadmin rules we finally have our docker based CI/CD environment setup on our Genomics project
[14:29] <magicaltrout> now I just need to convince them to use Juju ;)
[14:31] <lazyPower> not bad magicaltrout
[14:31] <lazyPower> what did you backend it with? swarm, k8s, or dc/os?
[14:31] <magicaltrout> swam for now
[14:32] <magicaltrout> i have a DC/OS  plan in the works but I need to get onsite to chat with the guys so i'll probably try and figure that lot out when Im out in pasadena
[14:33] <magicaltrout> i had a chat with Bill today, this type of stuff is exactly what projects like this one I'm on need. I need to be able to deploy the same stuff on my laptop, on another developers laptop, in the public dev system or in production without changing loads of stuff
[14:33] <magicaltrout> whether thats done with Juju, LXD, Docker etc, doesn't really matter, but until we did this there was just the worlds largest puppet script and a 30 minute build to dev only system
[14:33] <magicaltrout> you couldn't stand this stuff up locally
[14:34] <magicaltrout> and there  are 100's of projects like this that would benifit wildly from CI/CD container development
[14:37] <magicaltrout> as  a slight aside lazyPower you know you can run k8s on DC/OS?
[14:37] <lazyPower> in a meeting, bbiaf
[14:37] <magicaltrout> :'(
[14:37] <magicaltrout> no one to talk rubbish to
[14:38] <magicaltrout> http://kubernetes.io/docs/getting-started-guides/dcos/
[14:39] <jrwren> magicaltrout: i'll listen. so... why would I run k8s on dc/os? does it use dcos features? what features?
[14:40] <arosales> stub: gnuoy for nrpe we still need to add a series to the metadata yaml, then ping in here to have a ~charmer promulgate once you have pushed you latest version
[14:41] <magicaltrout> jrwren: i don't have a real answer as for the "why", choice I guess :)
[14:41] <magicaltrout> they did write a pretty good blog post about it
[14:41] <magicaltrout> https://mesosphere.com/blog/2015/09/25/kubernetes-and-the-dcos/
[14:42] <jrwren> whoa, 10 months ago!
[14:42] <jrwren> i'm so behind the times.
[14:43] <magicaltrout> lol
[14:43] <magicaltrout> don't worry i havve this presentation at mesoscon in a month with charms that don't fully work yet
[14:43] <magicaltrout> i'm the one behind ;)
[14:56] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - its typically for marathon support
[14:56] <lazyPower> people are in love with that scheduler
[14:56] <lazyPower> sorry jrwren ^
[14:57] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - there's an interesting crossover opportunity here, we could take the current k8s bundle and gank the scheduler in leu of marathon and release another bundler with both our work, whicih mightbcool
[14:57] <magicaltrout> yeah i was wondering that the other day lazyPower
[14:57] <magicaltrout> see how much of a crossover we can get
[14:58] <lazyPower> we can do it all G-funky, it just takes time
[14:58] <lazyPower> :)
[14:58] <jrwren> we could also make juju the best way to deploy dcos
[14:59] <magicaltrout> jrwren: we already have one of their guys interested for DC/OS MAAS deployments
[14:59] <magicaltrout> so there is certainly an opportunity there
[15:00] <bladernr> Hye, what's the trick for making juju 2.0 talk to MAAS 2.0?
[15:00] <bladernr> ISTR there was something specific you had to do to enable it...
[15:00] <bladernr> but can't remember what that was.
[15:01] <magicaltrout> jrwren: apart from some random config stuff i need to put into actions, the only real big issue with my charms currently is the unscalablility of master, other than that they work. But i need to get mesosphere on the hook to help with the packaging because I had to munch up their really weird installation procedure to build a deployable package
[15:04] <lazyPower> bladernr - unless i'm mistaken, beta-12 once you've added the cloud it just works with maas 2.0-rc2
[15:05] <bladernr> lazyPower, I followed this https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/clouds-maas#defining-maas-clouds
[15:05] <bladernr> but when I do an add-credentials, it complains that oauth is not supported
[15:05] <bladernr> ERROR auth type "oauth" for cloud "maas" not supported
[15:08] <bladernr> haha, nevermind... sheesh.  oauth != oauth1.  head->desk
[15:10] <magicaltrout> picnic!
[15:10] <lazyPower> bladernr  :) glad we got it sorted
[15:11] <bladernr> Yeah, I should probably put my glasses back on :/
[15:11] <lazyPower> also, cool nick :) how do we know you're not a replicant?
[15:11] <bladernr> That IS the question... I'm pretty sure the sheep I dream of are not electronic.
[15:12] <bladernr> because I like puppies?
[15:12] <lazyPower> I'll reserve judgement until you submit a charm/bundle for review
[15:13] <lazyPower> that'll tell me if you originate from the Tyrell corp or not
[15:26] <bladernr> Heh... my charm is weak.  All it does right now is install one package.  It needs some enhancement.
[15:27] <lazyPower> bladernr - if you're interested, we do office hours and it might b fun to have an interactive session during the office hours to peek at your charm and make suggestions. get some real time engineering support/face-time with charmers
[15:28] <bladernr> perhaps, we'll see what happens (I'm about to go on vacation, so focusing on this is becomming difficult).
[15:28] <magicaltrout> come to pasadena \o/
[15:28] <lazyPower> i completely understand that too
[15:28] <lazyPower> and as magicaltrout suggested, there's also a charmer summit coming up - http://summit.juju.solutions
[15:28] <bladernr> Yeah, I actually would LOVE to attend a charmer summit (I missed the one in Feb)
[15:29] <bladernr> but that one happens to end the day before I fly to .EU for a family trip
[15:29] <magicaltrout> sod the family... ! ;)
[15:29] <lazyPower> bummerrrr, scheduling conflicts :(
[15:29] <bladernr> magicaltrout, I could say that, but my wife would be ... displeased... besides, charmer summit in Pasadena vs 5 days in London and 6 days in Malta?  really no choice there.
[15:30] <magicaltrout> hmm malta seems acceptable
[15:30] <magicaltrout> I can vouch for london being nothing special ;)
[15:31] <bladernr> Well, she's never been to London.  I can agree with you there.  But I LOVE Malta, I'd live there if I could.  heh
[15:31] <magicaltrout> hmm
[15:31] <magicaltrout> might have to pay it a visit then
[15:31] <magicaltrout> London's okay, Im just messing, I live about an hour outside. Certainly there is plenty to do for families
[15:32] <magicaltrout> all the free museums, old stuff etc
[15:32] <lazyPower> Malta is tons of fun
[15:32] <lazyPower> i really enjoyed our sprint there
[15:33] <bladernr> Yeah, I actually like London, it's fun, but ulitmately, it's just another large city.  They're all basically the same, with different wrappers and accoutrement
[15:33] <bladernr> lazyPower, yeah, me too, I spent an extra week after just to explore it.  Hence the trip back now with the spousal unit.
[15:34] <lazyPower> All the Tolkein bars ^_^  but i think thats around oxford
[15:41] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - i'd like to be pro-active about talking to you re dc/os efforts. when your schedule has settled to where we can find a half hour to kick off, we should do that. I'd like to bring along mbruzek too as he's my co-pilot with containers
[15:42] <magicaltrout> indeed lazyPower sounds good
[15:42] <magicaltrout> i'll get this master charm squared away so its usable, and then we can figure out where to go next
[15:44] <lazyPower> well i have ulterior motives to try and fold you into the /u/containers namespace :)
[15:44] <lazyPower> because we <3 community contributions
[17:21] <mattrae> hi, with juju 2.0 is it possible to deploy a service to a controller? previously with 1.x i could deploy --to 0 which would put services on the controller
[17:25] <bladernr> mattrae, I was about to ask that exact question.
[17:26] <bladernr> I tried with --to=<controller name> but that didn't seem to work
[17:26] <bladernr> it accepted that, but failed to deploy...
[17:26] <mattrae> bladernr: ahh cool, i haven't tried that yet
[17:31] <mattrae> bladernr: ah ok i'm getting an error as well 'cannot run instance: No available machine matches constraints: name=jumpiest-yuko'. the node is already deployed and its not realizing its the controller
[17:41] <lazyPower> mattrae  you can
[17:41] <lazyPower> mattrae - juju switch admin && juju deploy foo --to 0
[17:41] <lazyPower> mattrae - in juju 2.0, the admin model is a reserved case, we dont recommend colocating on the controller, but if you want to - thats how you can do it. Note: you cannot relate anything to this application unless it too is deployed in the admin model
[17:45] <mattrae> lazyPower: thanks! we plan to have 3 controllers, but we want each of those controller nodes to have some services because they are big machines
[18:16] <bladernr> lazyPower, i'd prefer to run instances on the bootstrap node as well. I only have two physical nodes, and need to run one servince on one, and one on the other, and relate them.
[18:17] <bladernr> so juju switch admin && juju deploy foo --to 0 && juju deploy bar?
[18:17] <bladernr> which I think means foo goes on bootstrap node and bar goes on machine 1?
[18:23] <lazyPower> correct
[18:32] <bladernr> lazyPower, thanks
[19:02] <petevg> cory_fu, kwmonroe: I made some PRs for binding kafka to a non default interface, and kicked the ticket into review. I still need to write the same thing, but for Zookeeper, but I'd appreciate some feedback on the Kafka side. Does my approach look correct?
[19:27] <kwmonroe> petevg: got a pr link for me?  me too lazy to open the board
[19:28] <petevg> kwmonroe: there are three PR links, which is why I pointed you at the board :-p  Hang on ...
[19:28] <kwmonroe> no no petevg, i'm there now :)
[19:43] <lazyPower> bladernr mattrae - ah, for clarity, post beta-10 (i think) the admin model was renamed to 'controller' to better clarify that it's intended for juju internals. i just ran list-model and realized i was stale :)
[19:47] <magicaltrout> like an old biscuit
[20:22] <bladernr> So, dumb question, but how do you debug a hook in 2.0?
[20:23] <bladernr> AIUI, juju debug-hooks <unit> <hook> would open a tmux session in the unit in the hook context, yes?
[20:23] <bladernr> all I get now is just a root session and no ability to run hook tools or hooks manually.
[20:27] <magicaltrout> when the hook fires
[20:27] <magicaltrout> you'll drop into it
[20:27] <magicaltrout> i don't believe it's changed
[20:30] <bladernr> Hrmmm, ok.  All I get is a root login, and not dropped into it.
[20:52] <bladernr> hrmmm... ok, worked when "start" was called, but took several minutes before that happened.  How can you trigger a hook (outside of the debug console)?
[20:53] <magicaltrout> yeah so stuff like that works on a 5 minute timer
[20:54] <magicaltrout> ... and i'd tell you how to trigger it manually
[20:54] <magicaltrout> but the dev server i have isn't responding and its not in my bash history :):
[20:54] <magicaltrout> lazyPower: help me out here
[20:55] <magicaltrout> ah
[20:55]  * lazyPower reads backscroll
[20:55] <lazyPower> 1 sec, in/out of a meeting thats almost done
[20:55] <magicaltrout> juju run --unit ss/0 "hooks/install"
[20:55] <magicaltrout> or whatever
[20:55] <magicaltrout> is what you want bladernr
[20:56] <bladernr> magicaltrout, aiii, thanks
[20:57] <lazyPower> ok back
[20:58]  * lazyPower reads backscroll for real this time
[20:58] <lazyPower> ahhh no
[20:58] <lazyPower> juju run is executed in an anonymous hook context
[20:58] <lazyPower> that'll work for primary hooks like install/config-changed et-al
[20:59] <lazyPower> but you wont want to try a relationship hook that way, it'll fail on you every time, as it doesn't have the env setup for the conversation
[21:00] <lazyPower> bladernr - typically what we do, is either "break a hook" (not ideal) or attach and wait for the next hook execution. Its much easier to intercept the hoook you're intended to debug, if you break that hook so you can attach and juju resolved --retry application/unit.  We've got some older bugs referencing requests to execute hooks like so: "juju debug-hooks mysql/0 upgrade-charm" and it drops you in the upgrade-charm hook context, but it
[21:00] <lazyPower>  hasn't been addressed yet. Maybe some day when we're less focused on stabilizing 2.0 and putting the tint and chrome on the release.
[21:06] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - but decent hack :) i like it
[21:07] <magicaltrout> yeah i believe it came from cory_fu and kwmonroe
[21:08] <lazyPower> big data holding out on the good tricks these days eh?
[21:08] <lazyPower> typical cory_fu and  kwmonroe - silently genius
[21:08] <magicaltrout> thats lies
[21:08] <magicaltrout> i know that trick
[21:08] <lazyPower> lies, damn lies, and statistics
[21:09] <magicaltrout> because kwmonroe kept telling lies when writing the pdi charm
[21:09] <magicaltrout> and breaking stuff
[21:09] <lazyPower> well, i do a fair amount of breaking myself
[21:09] <lazyPower> just to be fair
[21:11] <kwmonroe> i didn't lie magicaltrout, i just made stuff up about how python worked.  totally different.
[21:13] <magicaltrout> lol
[21:14] <kwmonroe> hey petevg, the change to BIGTOP-1624 on bigtop base is just to bring it in-line with what we had upstream, right?
[21:14] <petevg> kwmonroe: correct.
[21:14] <petevg> ... and in line with the patch that is in master.
[21:15] <petevg> ... though the patch in resources/master should go away, now that we have it merged.
[21:35] <bdx> how does  __init__.py make it into lib/ on `charm build` ?
[21:37] <bdx> it seems, if lib/__init__.py doesn't exist in any layers included by the charm being built, then it never makes it to build/<charmname>/lib
[21:38] <bdx> this causes `charm build` to fail
[21:38] <bdx> :-(
[21:38] <kwmonroe> bdx: there's an __init__.py in layer-basic: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-basic/tree/master/lib/charms/layer
[21:39] <bdx> shoot
[21:39] <bdx> darn it
[21:39] <bdx> ooho
[21:39] <bdx> no
[21:39] <kwmonroe> bdx: you're talking crazy.. what's wrong?
[21:39] <bdx> kwmonroe: it needs to be in lib though right?
[21:39] <kwmonroe> charm build will pull it in
[21:40] <bdx> to lib/ ?
[21:40] <bdx> from where?
[21:40] <kwmonroe> assuming you include layer:basic in layer.yaml
[21:40] <kwmonroe> wait, you mean lib/__init__.py or lib/charms/layer/__init__.py?
[21:40] <bdx> lib/__init__.py
[21:42] <kwmonroe> hm.. bdx where are you seeing __init__ in ./lib?  is it possible you have a local layer-basic that didn't stick it in ./lib/charms/layer?
[21:43] <bdx> kwmonroe: omp, I'm grabbing you debug output
[21:45] <bdx> kwmonroe: paste.ubuntu.com/20366435/
[21:46] <kwmonroe> bdx: thanks for not making that link clickable
[21:47] <bdx> aha
[21:47] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20366435/
[21:49] <kwmonroe> bdx: blow away /home/bdx/allcode/charms/builds/kibana first.. if you can
[21:49] <kwmonroe> then charm build it
[21:50] <bdx> #$(&*@
[21:50] <bdx> kwmonroe: that worked
[21:50] <bdx> kwmonroe: thx
[21:50] <bdx> my bad
[21:51] <kwmonroe> bdx: please deposit $11 into my paypal account
[21:51] <bdx> I didn't want to blow it away, bc its my .bzr
[21:51] <bdx> aha
[21:52] <bdx> kwmonroe: you rock
[21:53] <kwmonroe> bdx: if you want to keep a built charm in bzr, i suggest you 'bzr branch <foo> foo-bzr"
[21:53] <kwmonroe> then after every charm build, cp -a foo-bzr/.bzr foo
[21:54] <bdx> yea, thats where I figured this was headed ... ok
[21:54] <kwmonroe> that's not real syntax, but basially, copy the .bzr dir from your bzr charm to the output dir of your 'charm build' and you'll be able to bzr commit that
[21:55] <bdx> totally
[21:55] <bdx> ok
[21:55] <bdx> thanks man
[21:55] <petevg> kwmonroe: darn it. I think that I rebased my kafka-bind-address branch from master this morning, when I was troubleshooting, and that means bad things for merging back to the kafka branch :-(
[21:56] <petevg> Time to brush up on cherry picking ...
[21:59] <kwmonroe> bdx: consider the value of keeping a built charm in bzr (or any vcs).  we're not ingesting anymore, so when you 'charm push', you are basically preserving a copy of your charm..
[21:59] <magicaltrout> no one really wants to use  bzr...... ;)
[22:01] <lazyPower> bdx - yep kwmonroe is on to something there. The current charm push model is very much akin to an image based workflow, where your image is the assembled charm you've versioned in your namespace's charm stream.
[22:04] <kwmonroe> right, especially with layered charms.. the layer lives under some VCS, but the output of 'charm build' is what you 'charm push[; charm publish <x>]' to the store and is therefore locked to a point in time when you want that charm to be available.
[22:09] <kwmonroe> petevg: please don't worry about re-syncing the kafka branch with master
[22:09] <petevg> kwmonroe: that's exactly the opposite of what I'm worrying about.
[22:09] <kwmonroe> lol
[22:09] <petevg> I'm working on getting a version of my branch that won't introduce a bunch of muddled stuff from master.
[22:10] <petevg> I think that I have it -- cherry picking turns out to be simpler than I've always thought it to be.
[22:10] <petevg> I'm just re-running tests before I push, to make sure that I'm not introducing new bugs.
[22:11] <kwmonroe> petevg: i think the crux of the issues happened because master's 1624 patch wasn't in sync to begin with
[22:11] <petevg> kwmonroe: That's one of the problems, yes :-)
[22:11] <bdx> tracking
[22:12] <kwmonroe> whenever i find myself in these types of problems, i just commit, force rebase, take a few days off, and cory_fu seems to have it cleaned up when i return.
[22:12] <kwmonroe> i think he likes it
[22:12] <petevg> kwmonroe: new PR. It's a thing of beauty: https://github.com/juju-solutions/bigtop/pull/28
[22:14] <petevg> kwmonroe: I guess the other question is whether the puppet changes should still get merged to master or not (https://github.com/juju-solutions/bigtop/pull/27/files).
[22:15] <petevg> ... and that also ties into the discussion on the bigtop mailing list about how hard it is to figure out how to review our merges, with things split between PRs containing charms, and PRs containing patches to the puppet scripts.
[22:16] <petevg> For now, though, I've gotta EOD -- I'm on deck for dinner tonight. Catch ya later!
[22:16] <kwmonroe> petevg: i am firmly in the camp of PR 27 being redundant.
[22:16] <kwmonroe> we'll chat manana
[22:16] <kwmonroe> have a great dinner!
[22:33] <magicaltrout> dinner?!  I had a burger in the bar for the 3rd night out of 4 ;(
[22:54] <bdx> lazyPower: should I just iterate over the templates with *.spvsr.conf and extract the appname from them?
[22:54] <bdx> lazyPower: for layer-supervisor
[22:57] <magicaltrout> no one give bdx a new job
[22:57] <magicaltrout> he asks too many questions!
[22:57] <bladernr> hrmmm... another dumb question, how do you define the default series for a charm?  is series: in metadata.yaml valid?
[22:58] <magicaltrout> i believe it is bladernr
[22:58] <magicaltrout> i still use it at least
[22:58] <magicaltrout> some of it is all a bit weird thoug
[22:58] <magicaltrout> h
[22:58] <mgz> bladernr: it takes a list now
[22:59] <bladernr> ok.. I can keep using -s, but it makes more sense for me to learn how to do so (and i guessed that series: was a valid key)
[22:59] <magicaltrout> like pushing a multiseries charm is funky
[22:59] <bladernr> mgz, so... series: xenial,trusty
[22:59] <mgz> series:
[22:59] <mgz>   - xenial
[22:59] <mgz>   - trusty
[22:59] <bladernr> ahhh... yeah..
[22:59] <bladernr> thanks
[22:59] <mgz> first one is the default
[22:59] <magicaltrout> bdx: you planning to be in Pasadena?
[22:59] <bdx> you know it
[22:59] <bdx> magicaltrout: you?
[23:00] <magicaltrout> indeed. After your drunken night in ghent, i wouldn't miss it ;)
[23:00] <bdx> magicaltrout: baha thx
[23:00] <bdx> yea...
[23:01] <bdx> no
[23:01] <magicaltrout> also as a caveat although i live outside london, my office is really JPL in Pasadena, so I'm just combining a bunch of trips if  I can make it all align
[23:01] <magicaltrout> although my eldest kid starts school that week as well, so its going to be a rush
[23:01] <magicaltrout> as is my life
[23:06] <magicaltrout> actually bdx if you didn't see this you'll like it
[23:06] <magicaltrout> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1UdKSsuXpYSy25V9HuxnqgzQRmlC1DEtLJUgEY-5PDoc/edit#slide=id.g15623877ea_0_95
[23:06] <magicaltrout> i did a presentation yesterday with Mark in the room
[23:06] <magicaltrout> and unleashed this slide
[23:07] <magicaltrout> not sure if I'll be allowed into the charmers summit ;)
[23:07] <bladernr> YAY, charm is working!
[23:08] <magicaltrout> woop
[23:08] <bladernr> Ok, before I quit for the day... one last question... is there any way to set config on a per-unit basis?
[23:08] <magicaltrout> erm
[23:08] <bdx> magicaltrout: wow ... yea ... I was in the process of swapping out the job, woman, and house immediately before belgium .... errrgg I was hustling real hard around that time to finish school, maintain multiple openstacks, a damn dungeon dweller I was in the months preceding that event
[23:08] <bdx> I had no idea what that european vino would do to me
[23:08] <bdx> aha
[23:08] <magicaltrout> hehe!
[23:09] <magicaltrout> we should've got a video
[23:09] <bladernr> the charm I wrote is for iperf3, which can be run as either a server or a client.  I suppose the proper answer is to create two charms, one for each case, rather than one charm that can do both
[23:09] <magicaltrout> bladernr: if it makes you happier i do exactly that
[23:09] <magicaltrout> because config options will diverge
[23:10] <bdx> treacherous
[23:10] <bladernr> right... just wondering if two separate charms are more "proper".
[23:10] <bladernr> because right now, I can't just add-unit and then change the config on the new unit.
[23:10] <magicaltrout> bladernr: the other option is leader election etc, i don't know enough of what you're doing
[23:10] <magicaltrout> but it sounds like separate charms makes sense if you have server -> client stuff
[23:11] <magicaltrout> and yeah
[23:11] <magicaltrout> scale out will screw you as you seem to have noticed :)
[23:12] <bladernr> ack... I'm just happy it's finally working.  I can do more tomorrow.
[23:13] <bladernr> tonight is food, beer and then Star Trek
[23:13] <magicaltrout> never seen star trek
[23:13] <magicaltrout> not seen that other one...
[23:13] <magicaltrout> whats it called
[23:13] <magicaltrout> oh yeah
[23:13] <magicaltrout> star wars
[23:16] <lazyPower>  bdx - nah that sounds too magical. I did however miss this gem https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-supervisor/blob/master/layer.yaml#L5
[23:16] <lazyPower> i looked in the reactive module, saw the state and status, and grinned when there was no install bits there
[23:17] <lazyPower> and fwiw i retract that statement about moving it into the module. What you have there is bueno


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