[02:48] <byrdiblack> Hey there, I am in absolute hell trying to get an ISO to boot on my Thinkpad Edge...I have Ubuntu 11.04 installed as the OS, but want to reinstall 10.10. I have the dvd in, and have tried every possible way to boot from it in the BIOS setup...can anyone help? It always just loads Natty!
[02:51] <holstein> byrdiblack: what DVD?
[02:51] <holstein> 10.10 should be a CD right?
[02:51] <byrdiblack> I loaded the ISO onto a dvd
[02:51] <byrdiblack> it should boot from dvd i think.
[02:51] <byrdiblack> OH MY BAD..its a cd
[02:52] <byrdiblack> i'm sorry, im looking at a stack of dvrs and got confused
[02:52] <holstein> i would just double check the bios
[02:52] <byrdiblack> Either way, i can't get the drive to boot from the cd/dvd drive
[02:52] <holstein> not much you can do really
[02:52] <byrdiblack> how do I check bios?
[02:52] <byrdiblack> what do you mean?
[02:52] <holstein> depends
[02:52] <byrdiblack> I've loaded the boat order to have the DVD and CD drive occur first
[02:52] <holstein> its different for different machines
[02:53] <holstein> byrdiblack: right, i would double check that
[02:53] <byrdiblack> I've tried disabling the hard drive in the boot order, and then the boot brings me to a blank screen that says cannot find OS
[02:53] <holstein> byrdiblack: right
[02:53] <holstein> byrdiblack: how did you install 11.04?
[02:53] <holstein> CD ?
[02:53] <byrdiblack> yes
[02:53] <holstein> byrdiblack: do you still have that *same* cd?
[02:54] <byrdiblack> its possible, i think so.
[02:54] <holstein> byrdiblack: find it
[02:54] <holstein> then, get that CD booting
[02:54] <holstein> then, you'll know that its either the machine settings
[02:54] <holstein> for the CD youve made
[02:54] <holstein> or the ISO you've downloaded
[02:54] <holstein> if the 11.04 that you installed from boots
[02:54] <byrdiblack> I see.
[02:54] <holstein> then, you can move on to diagnosing the current 10.10 media
[02:55] <holstein> byrdiblack: why go back?
[02:55] <holstein> you can get gnome in 11.04
[02:55] <holstein> if you dont like unity
[02:55] <byrdiblack> actually. im not sure if I'm going to go back..i have a couple ISO's I'm going to try.including kubuntu
[02:56] <byrdiblack> My wireless card is not supported in ubuntu:(
[02:56] <holstein> yeah?
[02:56] <byrdiblack> so i've been dealing with horendous issues and frustration
[02:56] <holstein> byrdiblack: whats the wiresless card?
[02:56] <byrdiblack> trying to find a way
[02:56] <holstein> have you tried using ndiswrapper?
[02:57] <byrdiblack> Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10)
[02:57] <byrdiblack> that might be the only thing I havn't tried.
[02:57] <byrdiblack> what does ndiswrapper do?
[02:58] <holstein> byrdiblack: it allows you to use the windows drivers
[02:59] <holstein> byrdiblack: you'll want to open synaptic
[02:59] <holstein> or whatever you are using
[02:59] <holstein> and look for ndisgtk
[03:00] <holstein> thats the graphical front-end
[03:00] <holstein> if memory serves*
[03:00] <byrdiblack> oh man, ok..lets see, sorry I'm really new might need some clarification
[03:00] <holstein> and you DL the windows drivers
[03:00] <holstein> and go thru the GUI and point it to them
[03:01] <byrdiblack> so in natty, first step is to get ndiswrapper through software center?
[03:01] <holstein> i think ndisgtk shows up in system-administraion
[03:01] <holstein> byrdiblack: you can try
[03:01] <holstein> i'll look too
[03:01]  * holstein booting natty
[03:01] <holstein> i have only used it in 10.04
[03:02] <holstein> byrdiblack: are you in unity?
[03:02] <holstein> or gnome?
[03:03] <byrdiblack> Ok, so i found in software center, Windows Wireless Drivers, Ndiswrapper
[03:03] <byrdiblack> unity
[03:03] <holstein> OK
[03:03] <holstein> byrdiblack: hang on a secongd
[03:03] <holstein> second*
[03:03] <holstein> thats not the GUI
[03:03] <byrdiblack> ok
[03:04] <holstein> byrdiblack: yeah
[03:04] <holstein> thats it
[03:04] <byrdiblack> ok
[03:04] <holstein> the GTK gui is in there
[03:04] <holstein> i'll install it too
[03:04] <holstein> *this is a test install anyways
[03:05] <byrdiblack> So your saying in addition to the Windows ndiswrapper, I should install "GTK gui?"
[03:05] <holstein> byrdiblack: its all rolled in
[03:05] <holstein> from the software center there
[03:05] <holstein> byrdiblack: you got it installed?
[03:05] <byrdiblack> yup
[03:05] <holstein> SO
[03:06] <holstein> go to applications
[03:06] <holstein> and search 'windows'
[03:06] <holstein> and you'll see it
[03:06] <holstein> 'windows wireless drivers'
[03:06] <holstein> its pretty straight forward from there
[03:07] <holstein> you'll just need the windows .inf for your device
[03:08] <byrdiblack> ok..going through it now.
[03:10] <byrdiblack> So I click install new driver..then it asks me to select an .inf file
[03:10] <holstein> right
[03:10] <holstein> you'll need the .inf you your particular device
[03:10] <holstein> you point to it
[03:10] <holstein> and boom
[03:11] <holstein> *in theory
[03:12] <holstein> byrdiblack: whats the deal?
[03:12] <byrdiblack> uhhg im lost. i'm having trouble figuring out where the folder/file would be..
[03:12] <holstein> you got the dirver?
[03:12] <holstein> well, i would put it somewhere you can find it
[03:13] <holstein> on the machine i set it up on
[03:13] <byrdiblack> bin, boot, cdrom, dev, etc, home, lib, media, mnt, opt
[03:13] <holstein> i hid in in /home
[03:13] <byrdiblack> oh
[03:13] <byrdiblack> ok
[03:13] <holstein> byrdiblack: where did you put it?
[03:13] <holstein> when you DL'd?
[03:13] <holstein> probably somewhere in /home/you/Downloads
[03:13] <byrdiblack> yes
[03:14] <holstein> might be a .zip
[03:14] <holstein> you'll want to go unzip it
[03:14] <holstein> and i would put it over in /home/you/Documents
[03:14] <holstein> or something
[03:14] <byrdiblack> well downloads just has the naty iso
[03:14] <holstein> byrdiblack: DL it again
[03:14] <holstein> and make a note of where its going this time :)
[03:15] <holstein> byrdiblack: if its a .zip
[03:15] <byrdiblack> I'm confused because I just got it from the software center and it automatically puts it in applications.
[03:15] <holstein> byrdiblack: you got what?
[03:15] <byrdiblack> the ndiswrapper
[03:15] <holstein> there are 2 things that need to happen
[03:15] <holstein> thats one ^
[03:15] <holstein> you install ndiswrapper and the GUI
[03:15] <holstein> thats done
[03:15] <byrdiblack> ok
[03:15] <byrdiblack> I missed step 2 i guess:(
[03:15] <holstein> you need to get the windows drivers
[03:15] <byrdiblack> OH
[03:16] <holstein> say you have an hp2133 or whatever
[03:16] <byrdiblack> ok
[03:16] <holstein> you gotta go to the hp site
[03:16] <holstein> and DL them
[03:16] <holstein> and deal with them
[03:16] <holstein> in whatever state they are in
[03:16] <holstein> sometimes
[03:16] <holstein> the are in a .zip
[03:16] <holstein> you download them
[03:16] <holstein> unzip them
[03:16] <holstein> and then, on the ndisGUI
[03:17] <holstein> and tell it where to go for the .inf file
[03:17] <holstein> IF they give you a .exe
[03:17] <holstein> then, you might have to either go to a windows machine
[03:17] <holstein> or run it in wine
[03:17] <holstein> and hope it just extracts the driver somewhere
[03:18] <byrdiblack> ok, so I have a lenovo thinkpad edge 14. I'm trying to get to their site now to see where the download is
[03:18] <byrdiblack> or should i be looking at realtek?
[03:18] <holstein> either
[03:18] <holstein> i would try lenovo first*
[03:19] <holstein> byrdiblack: do you have an install disc?
[03:19] <holstein> that came with the machine?
[03:19] <holstein> thats an option too
[03:19] <holstein> drivers on the disc
[03:19] <holstein> anyways... id go for the lenovo stie
[03:19] <holstein> site*
[03:19] <holstein> thats easy
[03:20] <byrdiblack> ok still searching.
[03:20] <Omsniffiscent> Is there a way to make ZSNES work on a 64-bit processor? :(
[03:21] <holstein> Omsniffiscent: im not sure what that is
[03:21] <holstein> but, if its 32bit only
[03:21] <holstein> you could vbox or vmware
[03:21] <holstein> a 32bit OS
[03:21] <holstein> or chroot
[03:21] <holstein> i have only read about setting up a 32bit chroot though
[03:23] <byrdiblack> I found this, do you think it's the thinkvantage for windows that I should be getting? http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/product.do?doccategoryind=181226&template=%2Fproductpage%2Flandingpages%2FproductPageLandingPage.vm&brandind=10&familyind=513975&machineind=517480&modelind=522469&partnumberind=0&subcategoryind=0&operatingsystemind=49979&validate=true
[03:24] <byrdiblack> the latest date?
[03:24] <holstein> http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-72875
[03:25] <holstein> i would go for that
[03:26] <byrdiblack> Ok, i'm downloading that exe file now
[03:27] <holstein> byrdiblack: i was able to extract with wine
[03:27] <holstein> the drivers
[03:27] <byrdiblack> uhg, i don't have wine, is that an easy thing in software too?
[03:27] <holstein> you want me to link you to them?
[03:28] <byrdiblack> that would be amazing!
[03:28] <byrdiblack> I am losing ready for a straight jacket.
[03:28] <Omsniffiscent> I don't think it would run virtually as it is itself an emulator. Performance would likely make it non functional.
[03:28] <holstein> Omsniffiscent: try the chroot :)
[03:28] <Omsniffiscent> And all the guides I'm finding are for way old versions of ubuntu and all the links are broken.
[03:29] <Omsniffiscent> !chroot
[03:29] <Omsniffiscent> !ubotu chroot
[03:29] <holstein> byrdiblack: assuming i DL'd the right thing
[03:29] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/Netrtle.inf
[03:29] <Omsniffiscent> ......... where is the bot
[03:29] <holstein> byrdiblack: you'll know
[03:29] <holstein> if it doesnt work, i'll double check what i did :)
[03:32] <byrdiblack> Ok, so back in windows ndiswrapper, I'm selecting that inf file and clicking install.
[03:32] <holstein> byrdiblack: try it
[03:33] <holstein> thats the realtek one
[03:33] <holstein> for XP
[03:33] <holstein> i think that has the best chance of working with ndiswrapper
[03:33] <byrdiblack> after clicking install it says "invalid driver!"
[03:33] <holstein> :/
[03:33] <holstein> byrdiblack: i must not be getting the right one
[03:34] <holstein> its a thinkpad edge?
[03:34] <holstein> 13?
[03:34] <byrdiblack> 14
[03:34] <byrdiblack> Thinkpad Edge 14, type 8578 Model CTO
[03:34] <byrdiblack> I'm sorry, 0578 is the type
[03:37] <holstein> Realtek LAN Driver (MT: 0217, 0221, 0250)
[03:37] <holstein> thats what i got
[03:38] <holstein> and im not finding what i think is a better candidate
[03:38] <holstein> byrdiblack: at the lenovo site
[03:39] <holstein> you can search by tag # maybe
[03:39] <holstein> like dell?
[03:39] <holstein> then you'll know you're getting hte right thing
[03:39] <holstein> if its an exe
[03:39] <holstein> and you want to link me to it
[03:39] <holstein> i'll get the .inf out for you
[03:39] <holstein> im just not getting the right driver package it seems
[03:40] <byrdiblack> ok trying now
[03:44] <byrdiblack> I think this is it? http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-72875
[03:44] <byrdiblack> is that the one you tried already?
[03:45] <byrdiblack> maybe its not:(
[03:47] <holstein> byrdiblack: yeah
[03:47] <holstein> but let me get one of the other OS drivers
[03:47] <holstein> and try that...
[03:48] <byrdiblack> ok. thanks
[03:48] <byrdiblack> I am so frustrated, I bought this computer because I heard ubuntu would work out of the box for thinkpads...but i got the one version of thinkpad that has an incompatable everything:(
[03:48] <holstein> byrdiblack: but
[03:48] <holstein>  Edge 13 (MT: 0217, 0221, 0250), Edge E31
[03:48] <holstein> ^ thats not your machine
[03:48] <byrdiblack> no
[03:48] <holstein> its like the site redirect
[03:49] <holstein> when you get to that last step
[03:49] <holstein> redirects*
[03:49] <byrdiblack> yea, im seeing that problem too
[03:49] <holstein> byrdiblack: do you have a driver CD?
[03:49] <holstein> or, is windows still on there?
[03:49] <byrdiblack> no windows:( I optimistically deleted it on the ubuntu install
[03:49] <byrdiblack> stupid.
[03:49] <holstein> nah
[03:49] <byrdiblack> of me.
[03:49] <holstein> byrdiblack: good for you :)
[03:49] <holstein> you'll sort it out
[03:50] <byrdiblack> it's been weeks.
[03:50] <byrdiblack> its hard now that i cant even boot from a cd.
[03:50] <holstein> byrdiblack: in what way does wireless not work?
[03:50] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10247770
[03:50] <holstein> ^ that implies that folks have intermittened issues with that chip
[03:50] <holstein> but, it works fine
[03:50] <byrdiblack> yea, I do sudo modprobe stuff
[03:50] <byrdiblack> but now in natty its not the solution
[03:50] <byrdiblack> this is my bug:
[03:50] <holstein> byrdiblack: have you taken the machine
[03:50] <holstein> and plugged it in
[03:51] <holstein> to ethernet
[03:51] <byrdiblack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/687692
[03:51] <holstein> and looked for proprietary drivers?
[03:51] <holstein> O I C
[03:51] <holstein> hehe, Jfo :)
[03:52] <holstein> byrdiblack: so it was OK?
[03:52] <byrdiblack> ok?
[03:52] <holstein> byrdiblack: have you booted into an older kernel?
[03:52] <holstein> is there an older kernel?
[03:52] <byrdiblack> It was ok for a little bit
[03:52] <holstein> yeah, it was OK for a week or so?
[03:52] <byrdiblack> but now the issue has returned
[03:52] <holstein> right
[03:52] <holstein> what did you update?
[03:52] <byrdiblack> I was able to install natty
[03:53] <byrdiblack> testing from the disk didnt solve the wifi
[03:53] <byrdiblack> but installing completely did.
[03:53] <holstein> right
[03:53] <holstein> and it worked
[03:53] <holstein> in natty
[03:53] <holstein> for a bit
[03:53] <holstein> right?
[03:53] <byrdiblack> and then after a few days of complete bliss..it turned back to the old way
[03:53] <holstein> like a week?
[03:53] <byrdiblack> yea
[03:53] <holstein> OK
[03:53] <holstein> what did you update?
[03:53] <holstein> was there a kernel update?
[03:53] <byrdiblack> I didnt update anything I don't think...
[03:54] <holstein> byrdiblack: gotta know
[03:54] <holstein> thats key to this
[03:54] <holstein> a kernel update can break that
[03:54] <byrdiblack> the guy on the bug report, wolf..., linked me to a natty ISO and that was what worked.
[03:54] <holstein> byrdiblack: also, a kernel update could fix that
[03:54] <holstein> if you can wire it up
[03:54] <holstein> and update it
[03:54] <byrdiblack> I actually do not know how to update kernals yet
[03:54] <holstein> and try it
[03:54] <holstein> byrdiblack: you just update
[03:54] <byrdiblack> is there a place to look for that?
[03:54] <holstein> and they update
[03:54] <holstein> and you wont know its happening
[03:55] <holstein> byrdiblack: the wireless on this machine
[03:55] <byrdiblack> ok, i figured that.
[03:55] <holstein> did not work
[03:55] <holstein> when i installed
[03:55] <holstein> wifi and sound
[03:55] <holstein> i plugged it in
[03:55] <holstein> updated
[03:55] <byrdiblack> so they must have updated my machine and it went south?
[03:55] <holstein> got a new kernel
[03:55] <holstein> and BOOM
[03:55] <holstein> everything worked fine
[03:56] <holstein> byrdiblack: well, you're not sure if you updated or not
[03:56] <holstein> BUT
[03:56] <holstein> if you did
[03:56] <holstein> you can try booting an older kernel
[03:56] <holstein> byrdiblack: when the machine is booting up
[03:56] <holstein> hit the shift key
[03:56] <byrdiblack> ok
[03:56] <holstein> thats where you'd see kernels listed
[03:56] <holstein> and you just need one of the old ones
[03:56] <holstein> *if there is one
[03:56] <holstein> byrdiblack: BUT first
[03:57] <holstein> i would upate wired
[03:57] <byrdiblack> ok
[03:57] <byrdiblack> I went to update manager
[03:57] <holstein> a lot has happened to 11.04 in a week
[03:57] <byrdiblack> and it says I have 388 updates selected
[03:57] <holstein> right
[03:57] <byrdiblack> waiting to update
[03:57] <holstein> thats a lot
[03:57] <holstein> that could totally fix something
[03:57] <byrdiblack> yea no kidding! i didnt even know that i was supposed to be manually updating
[03:57] <holstein> you should see linux-generic in there somewhere ?
[03:57] <byrdiblack> i thought it did it on its own
[03:58] <holstein> byrdiblack: it would
[03:58] <holstein> if you were online
[03:58] <holstein> and set it up that way ;)
[03:58] <byrdiblack> uhg
[03:58] <byrdiblack> ok
[03:58] <byrdiblack> there are many linux generics in there
[03:58] <holstein> cool
[03:58] <byrdiblack> ok, ill give it a go.
[03:58] <holstein> any of those could hook you up
[03:59] <byrdiblack> I'll come back and let you know ok:)
[03:59] <holstein> or make it worse ;)
[03:59] <byrdiblack> greeeeat
[03:59] <holstein> byrdiblack: sure
[03:59] <holstein> good luck :)
[03:59] <byrdiblack> thanks for the help! it means a lot to have real time communication after drowning in forums
[03:59] <holstein> come back and we'll get it sorted
[05:19] <byrdiblack> @holstein uhg, i was so hopefull, after update, internet was speedy, I could switch between wireless networks with ease..then after 20 mins, a drop with no ability to reconnect:(
[05:27] <kevin6888296> i used to use ndiswrapper
[05:27] <kevin6888296> then after 2 more ubuntu releases, a native driver was available
[05:27] <byrdiblack> we were trying that out, but couldnt find the right driver for my computer to direct the wrapper to:(
[05:27] <kevin6888296> ah, couldn't find the windows driver
[05:28] <kevin6888296> maybe we should take a deep breath and chill for a bit
[05:28] <kevin6888296> how are you?
[05:28] <byrdiblack> yea...checked lenovo site and realtek, it was a mess.
[05:28] <byrdiblack> I'm ok, other than being completely frustrated about this.
[05:28] <kevin6888296> bummer dude, sorry to hear that
[05:28] <byrdiblack> yea, how are you?
[05:28] <kevin6888296> sometimes we just gotta' be patient with it
[05:29] <kevin6888296> but once it's working, it's like a whole new world, really
[05:29] <kevin6888296> sky's the limit and all that
[05:29] <kevin6888296> i'm doing well, thanks for asking :)
[05:29] <kevin6888296> i am consciously smiling, i was joking in #ubuntu-offtopic said "i'm losing with a smile on my face"
[05:29] <kevin6888296> :P
[05:30] <byrdiblack> i'm just so sad, i talked my boyfriend into buying this thinkpad because i had heard ubuntu worked with it, and then we choose the one version whose wifi card isnt supported:(
[05:30] <kevin6888296> you have a thinkpad?
[05:30] <kevin6888296> well, if it makes you feel any better, i'm jealous
[05:30] <byrdiblack> thinkpad edge 14 CTO
[05:30] <kevin6888296> 14", nice
[05:31] <byrdiblack> ha, you wouldnt be jealous if you came to realize that the realtek driver installed is not compatable anywhere
[05:31] <kevin6888296> let me check out the stats on lenovo's website
[05:31] <byrdiblack> except windows
[05:31] <kevin6888296> hmmm, does your battery work?
[05:31] <kevin6888296> ;)
[05:32] <byrdiblack> yeah it does.
[05:32] <byrdiblack> this is my bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/687692
[05:32] <kevin6888296> \o/
[05:32] <kevin6888296> hey have you heard about #ubuntu-women ?
[05:32] <kevin6888296> ubuntu has a lot going for it
[05:32] <kevin6888296> potential is a big part of it
[05:33] <kevin6888296> let me check out the bug
[05:33] <byrdiblack> and i've been through 10.10 and now I have 11.04, now the main issues are besides the wifi not working, is that I can't boot from my cd drive, so i cant even install other versions now.
[05:33] <byrdiblack> I havn't popped into ubuntu-women yet.
[05:33] <kevin6888296> me neither
[05:33] <kevin6888296> so it used to work in 10.10 byrdiblack ?
[05:34] <byrdiblack> no it never worked in 10.10
[05:34] <byrdiblack> unless i did the sudo modprobe stuff
[05:34] <byrdiblack> which every now and again would completely freeze the machine
[05:34] <kevin6888296> does the sudo modprobe stuff work in 11.04?
[05:34] <kevin6888296> ah
[05:34] <byrdiblack> so the guy in that bug, wolf... linked me to a natty iso
[05:34] <kevin6888296> what driver module would you use?
[05:35] <kevin6888296> haven't had a chance to read it
[05:35] <byrdiblack> and it worked like a charm for a few days
[05:35] <byrdiblack> then went back to the old problem, and sudo modprobe stuff wouldnt even work anymore.
[05:36] <kevin6888296> and couldn't get the windows driver for your realtek chipset for ndiswrapper to work...
[05:36] <byrdiblack> no couldnt find the right one to download
[05:37] <byrdiblack> the ones tried would say "wrong driver!" in thr wrapper
[05:37] <kevin6888296> were you using modprobe rtl8100 or something like that?
[05:37] <byrdiblack> i guess they have download links for the 13 inch edge, but not the 14 inch
[05:37] <byrdiblack> sudo rmmod r8192se_pci sudo modprobe r8192se_pci
[05:38] <kevin6888296> maybe there's another realtek module that works better
[05:39] <byrdiblack> i've been turning over every rock in every forum...starting to lose my mind
[05:39] <byrdiblack> and now this inability to boot from the disc drive has me worried. i've tried every possible setting in the bios
[05:40] <kevin6888296> you can't boot from the hdd?
[05:41] <byrdiblack> when i restart and interupt the startup
[05:41] <byrdiblack> i tried a couple things
[05:42] <byrdiblack> one is choosing a temporary boot startup device, and choosing the cd/dvd drive with the cd containing the ISO
[05:42] <byrdiblack> it seems to ignore that all together and load right into ubuntu anyway
[05:43] <byrdiblack> the other thing is interupting startup, entering bios, reordering the boot order to have cd and dvd drives first...but that still elicits ubuntu loading from the harddrive
[05:43] <byrdiblack> when i tried disabling HDD from the boot startup order..
[05:43] <byrdiblack> it says NO OS FOUND.
[05:43] <byrdiblack> so it just wont go to the cd or dvd drive period now.
[05:44] <byrdiblack> i was hoping to give kumbuntu or fedora a try, as i heard they support my wifi card...but no dice in even trying
[05:45] <kevin6888296> i'm having a hard time following
[05:45] <kevin6888296> let me try to simplify
[05:45] <byrdiblack> sure sorry!
[05:45] <kevin6888296> hdd boots, yes or no?
[05:45] <byrdiblack> yes
[05:45] <kevin6888296> cd-rom boots, yes or no?
[05:45] <byrdiblack> no
[05:45] <kevin6888296> ah
[05:45] <kevin6888296> you burned the cd-rom?
[05:45] <byrdiblack> yes
[05:46] <kevin6888296> did the cd boot before?
[05:46] <byrdiblack> I can see the ISO on there.
[05:46] <kevin6888296> do you have another cd to try?
[05:46] <byrdiblack> yeah, maybe i'll do that now, try another CD and come back.
[05:46] <byrdiblack> i'll let you know in a minute.
[05:47] <kevin6888296> wrt realtek, does this ring a bell:  by adding hwwep=0 to the modprobe commandline. Either rmmod r8192se_pci and then:
[05:47] <kevin6888296> ok
[05:48] <kevin6888296> oh, just in case, depending on your location you can get more localized support
[05:48] <kevin6888296> from your LoCo
[05:48] <byrdiblack> i'm in chicago, i was trying to figure out how to find someone to help in person..
[05:48] <kevin6888296> assuming i'm unable to help that is byrdiblack
[05:49] <byrdiblack> I did add that stuff to the command line in 10.10 and it didnt help
[05:49] <byrdiblack> but i did not do it to 11.04 yet
[05:49] <kevin6888296> hmmm, could be a bios thing if toshiba works and lenovo doesn't
[05:49] <kevin6888296> anyway, let me find info on your LoCo
[05:50] <kevin6888296> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-chicago here is their site byrdiblack
[05:50] <kevin6888296> and their irc channel is #ubuntu-chicago
[05:51] <byrdiblack> oh thank you
[05:51] <byrdiblack> thats great!
[05:51] <byrdiblack> ok, good news, the old disc with 11.04 DOES boot
[05:52] <byrdiblack> so it must be the two discs containing fedora and kumbunto that are bad burns
[05:52] <byrdiblack> did it on a work computer, shouldve known it would burn badly!
[05:52] <byrdiblack> now if i can just sort the wifi i'll be the happiest of campers
[05:53]  * kevin6888296 chuckles
[05:53] <kevin6888296> okay
[05:55] <kevin6888296> byrdiblack: are you using 64bit ubuntu?
[05:55] <byrdiblack> 32bit
[05:56] <kevin6888296> do you have a usb stick so you can try 64bit ubuntu out?
[05:57] <byrdiblack> should I do that? I have an intel processor, i thought 64bit was for AMD?
[05:57] <kevin6888296> "I'm running ubuntu 10.10 x64. After a fresh install, I can confirm that this card is working for me!"
[05:57] <kevin6888296> ah, yeah, intel makes 64bit processors
[05:57] <byrdiblack> OK I SEE
[05:57] <kevin6888296> it's all x64
[05:57] <byrdiblack> sorry caps lock
[05:58] <kevin6888296> i have intel and use 64bit
[05:58] <kevin6888296> latest and greatest
[05:58]  * kevin6888296 rages at your caps lock
[05:58] <byrdiblack> ok..so i should try 64.
[05:58] <kevin6888296> kidding!
[05:58] <byrdiblack> ha
[05:58] <kevin6888296> i would
[05:58] <kevin6888296> someone claims it worked for them
[05:58] <byrdiblack> i don't have a USB stick, but i can burn another dvd?
[05:59] <kevin6888296> yeah, i suppose that's the only way
[05:59] <kevin6888296> if you have the cd's might as well use them
[05:59] <kevin6888296> or dvd's
[05:59] <byrdiblack> man, im running through these dvdrs
[05:59] <kevin6888296> i prefer usb sticks
[05:59] <kevin6888296> you can get the 2gb ones cheap these days
[05:59] <byrdiblack> yes i should invest
[06:00] <kevin6888296> i wonder how much they are, maybe $10
[06:00] <kevin6888296> they come in handy for trying out new isos and stuff
[06:00] <kevin6888296> so does using different /home and / partitions...but i'm wandering off into uncharted waters with that one
[06:03] <byrdiblack> very much so!
[06:03] <byrdiblack> baby steps
[06:04] <byrdiblack> until I'm an ubuntu grownup
[06:07] <kevin6888296> bah, who wants to grow up
[06:08] <byrdiblack> ok brb.
[06:08] <kevin6888296> good luck
[06:11] <byrdiblack> thanks
[09:43] <s-fox> Hello.
[09:58] <UndiFineD> hey s-fox
[09:59] <s-fox> Helllo UndiFineD =)
[09:59] <UndiFineD> would you be so kind to comment on my improvements suggestions ?
[10:00] <UndiFineD> your opinion had specificly been asked for by others
[10:01] <s-fox> I have looked over it.  I will pass comment at the weekend when I have time.
[10:01] <UndiFineD> thanks, I appreciate that
[10:06] <hardkiffeur> Hi everybody ... no ubuntu-fr online ?
[10:06] <UndiFineD> france must still be sleeping or went to work
[10:06] <hardkiffeur> ;) thks UndiFineD
[10:07] <ApOgEE> hi
[10:08] <hardkiffeur> I just looking for some efficient log to anderstand why my new Ubuntu box Stop yesterday without any raison. Do you know where I could start my research ?
[10:08] <hardkiffeur> Ubuntu LucyLinx 10.04LTS
[10:09] <ApOgEE> is it ubuntu desktop?
[10:09] <hardkiffeur> Yes
[10:09] <ApOgEE> does it have /var/log/messages ?
[10:10] <hardkiffeur> Hum seems I've this folder with some log on it
[10:11] <ApOgEE> good, there is the log you asked for
[10:11] <s-fox> France is awake hardkiffeur
[10:12] <ApOgEE> hardkiffeur: does it help?
[10:12] <hardkiffeur> I'm on it I look on
[10:13] <s-fox> I am in that room, you are not hardkiffeur :)
[10:13] <s-fox>  /join #ubuntu-fr
[10:13] <ApOgEE> hi s-fox , your're from france?
[10:13] <s-fox> ApOgEE,  No, I am not French. :)
[10:14] <ApOgEE> me too. Nice to meet you anyway.. ;)
[10:15] <hardkiffeur> I look at boot.log, no verbatile information :(
[10:18] <ApOgEE> hardkiffeur: how about dmesg
[10:18] <hardkiffeur> Hum, just to add some information yesterday install -rt kernel, then grub2, then startupmanager, but at this time I boot on ultramanager cfg, but I've a strange message at the start without the Grub possibility. Do you think that could explain why I don't have any information (start at DD/MM/YYYY hh:mm:ss : ok )into the Boot.log ?
[10:19] <hardkiffeur> letme look onit
[10:19] <hardkiffeur> seems better ApOgEE
[10:19] <ApOgEE> cool
[10:20] <ApOgEE> hope u found what u're looking for
[10:21] <hardkiffeur> to be honnest I've to investigate for the both issues Not real good /boot   (but fonctionnel) and info why STOP yesterday
[10:25] <ApOgEE> I'm not currently on ubuntu and i don't have access to any to confirm. but as i remember... perhaps, you can find why it stop yesterday from /var/log/messages file.
[10:26] <hardkiffeur> Letme Look
[10:26] <ApOgEE> hardkiffeur: is it a directory in yours?
[10:26] <hardkiffeur> no a file
[10:27] <ApOgEE> then, you may tail -n3000 /var/log/messages
[10:27] <ApOgEE> or even more... ;) just an example
[10:28] <hardkiffeur> Hum I love this command Thks
[10:28] <ApOgEE> welcome
[10:30] <ApOgEE> hardkiffeur: you may also try.. tail -n1500 /var/log/messages | less
[10:32] <hardkiffeur> How exit ?
[10:32] <ApOgEE> q
[10:33] <ApOgEE> to search, type /your-search-string
[10:33] <ApOgEE> to quit, type q
[10:34] <hardkiffeur> How up the return string ? get the afterone ?
[10:35] <ApOgEE> i don't undertand your question
[10:35] <hardkiffeur> arrow
[10:35] <hardkiffeur> the next one
[10:36] <ApOgEE> next one of the search, type n
[10:36] <ApOgEE> to get back to previous item, Shift+n
[10:37] <ApOgEE> i mean backwards
[10:39] <hardkiffeur> Oki so just one Kernel logging (proc) stopped   and seems not the good event :(
[10:40] <ApOgEE> i see
[11:21] <r4y> Hello
[11:25] <ApOgEE> hello r4y
[11:26] <r4y> hello
[11:26] <r4y> \My hard drive has some bad sectors and I have backed up practically everything
[11:26] <r4y> how ever I know I transferred a folder named .mozilla which had the last book marks I had, I can't find it anywhere. How do I find that folder?
[11:26] <r4y> it's not a big deal but there is my question
[11:28] <bioterror> ls -la
[11:28] <r4y> ls -la
[11:29] <r4y> OK, I will try that
[11:29] <bioterror> why you break your hdd
[11:29] <r4y> Transfering too many files I think
[11:29] <r4y> for too long
[11:29] <bioterror> :D
[11:29] <r4y> ha ha, ya
[11:30] <bioterror> tormenting 24/7 :-)
[11:30] <r4y> I need to go through all those files and start deleting
[11:31] <coz_>  hey all
[11:31] <ApOgEE> ;)
[11:31] <ApOgEE> hey coz_
[11:31] <coz_> ApOgEE,  hey guy
[11:32] <ApOgEE> ;)
[11:32] <r4y> hm, do I cd into that hard drive and how?
[11:33] <r4y> O, I got an idea
[11:33] <ApOgEE> r4y: where did u backed up?
[11:33] <r4y> Yep, I have mostly everything backed up
[11:34] <r4y> I only wanted that folder
[11:34] <r4y> that was all that was left
[11:34] <r4y> I cded into the hard drive's home folder
[11:36] <ApOgEE> it should be in /home/youruserid/.mozilla
[11:38] <ApOgEE> eg: if you backup in /media/backup , you can find it in /media/backup/home/yourid/.mozilla
[11:38] <r4y> "drwx------   4 1000 1000      4096 2011-03-03 02:03 .mozilla"
[11:38] <r4y> I am not sure I should look by hand again
[11:39] <r4y> One problem is that firefox could have replaced it maybe, but what ever
[11:39] <r4y> so you say
[11:39] <r4y> media back home
[11:40] <r4y> I will try finding that as well
[11:41] <ApOgEE> or else, you can also use this command: find / -name .mozilla
[11:41] <ApOgEE> that will search from /
[11:41] <r4y> Wow, it's listed in the terminal but not through the gui
[11:42] <ApOgEE> if through gui, you have to press ctrl+h
[11:42] <ApOgEE> to show hidden file
[11:42] <r4y> I pasted the terminal output
[11:43] <r4y> I know, I am looking at the other hidden files, there is no .mozilla listed through the gui
[11:44] <ApOgEE> ctrl+h will toggle to show/hide hidden files in nautilus
[11:44] <r4y> I know
[11:45] <r4y> It's something I've seen before which is useful, I forget to use it
[11:45] <r4y> but I have already checked that option
[11:46] <r4y> The command find / -name .mozilla is going through folders and files saying permission denied
[11:47] <ApOgEE> of course, you can use sudo to have that permission
[11:47] <ApOgEE> or you can only search the dir where u have permission
[11:48] <ApOgEE> you can change / to the root of your backup dir too
[11:49] <ApOgEE> eg: if your backup dir is /media/backup then u can try find /media/backup -name .mozilla
[11:50] <r4y> What if somehow I deleted it but without knowing it. Isn't there a program for finding it?
[11:50] <r4y> I should look where you just said
[11:50] <ApOgEE> you can get it if the location is not overwritten yet
[11:50] <r4y> I backed up onto another hard drive
[11:51] <r4y> I don't make backups on the same hard drive, unless it makes backups of certain kinds of files
[11:51] <ApOgEE> u can use ddrescue
[11:52] <ApOgEE> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[11:53]  * ApOgEE is clocking out... see u later
[11:53] <r4y> OK, thank you
[11:53] <r4y> take care dude
[11:53] <ApOgEE> welcome
[11:53] <ApOgEE> you too
[11:54] <r4y> thank you
[12:34] <r4y> hello
[12:34] <r4y> I want to say that it worked
[13:16] <Awake_Atlast> Anyone alive?
[13:24] <Daniel0108> yes
[13:24] <Awake_Atlast> How are ya
[13:29] <Daniel0108> Awake_Atlast: join #ubuntu-beginners-team :) this is a support channel.
[13:30] <Awake_Atlast> Yea, lol. I need support.
[13:30] <Daniel0108> oh okay, I thought you want to chat just for fun, because you asked "how are you" :P
[13:30] <Daniel0108> Awake_Atlas: okay, what do you need?
[13:31] <UndiFineD> well, we are a friendly bunch, how are you suits this channel very well
[13:32] <Awake_Atlast> Well, lets begin with i got this netbook last night.
[13:32] <Awake_Atlast> 20$ from a friend. Dell Mini with Ubuntu
[13:32] <Awake_Atlast> Can't figure out nothing. LOL
[13:32] <bobo123> hi!
[13:33] <bobo123> is it impossible to set readonly-attribute on files on a NTFS-partition from linux?
[13:33] <easwar> Awake_Atlast, nothing? I kinda doubt that, given you're on IRC and all :)
[13:34] <bobo123> I tried chmod 444 mybakupfile but it still lists as -rwxrwxrwx
[13:34] <Awake_Atlast> Haha, well nothing is not entirely ture.
[13:34] <Awake_Atlast> I mean, i have ubuntu 10.x on the USB but i just cant get it to boot.
[13:34] <UndiFineD> bobo123, you can mount ntfs readonly
[13:35] <UndiFineD> but that would be the entire partition
[13:35] <Awake_Atlast> This ubuntuhardy is ugly. i want the new stuff. lol
[13:35] <easwar> Awake_Atlast, Is there a particular message?
[13:35] <Awake_Atlast> Yea, its ntfs
[13:35] <Awake_Atlast> LOL
[13:35] <Awake_Atlast> He just solved my problem
[13:35] <Awake_Atlast> And how do you guys copy names so fast?
[13:35] <easwar> Awake_Atlast, your friend?
[13:35] <UndiFineD> aw<tab>
[13:36] <Awake_Atlast> undefined.
[13:36] <UndiFineD> Awake_Atlast,
[13:36] <easwar> Un<tab?
[13:36] <easwar> UndiFineD,
[13:36] <easwar> like that
[13:36] <Awake_Atlast> UndiFineD: aaaa
[13:36] <Awake_Atlast> Makes sense
[13:36] <bobo123> UndiFineD: ok... yes I guess I can remount the NFTS-partition to be sure my bakupfiles don't be modified while I look in them....
[13:36] <easwar> Awake_Atlast, Your friend solved your problem?
[13:36] <Awake_Atlast> Ok, well i will be back. Gotta formot
[13:37] <Awake_Atlast> easwar: Nah, it swas UndiFineD.
[13:37] <easwar> Awake_Atlast, ok
[13:37] <UndiFineD> bobo123, the ntfs should support read-only files
[13:37] <Awake_Atlast> He randomly mentiond that Linux doesnt accept NTFS. HAha
[13:37] <easwar> oh, you'd installed Linux on an NTFS thumb drive?
[13:38] <easwar> Awake_Atlast, ^^
[13:39] <bobo123> UndiFineD: yes, NTFS do have readonly attributes, and so do FAT32 and all other filesystems I know of, but ubuntu don't seems to understand/use them (since they are different from the linux user-group-other attribute model I guess?)
[13:39] <Awake_Atlast> easwar: Yup. Hah
[13:39] <easwar> Awake_Atlast, try ext3/4
[13:39] <Awake_Atlast> Well thats just the thing.
[13:40] <bobo123> or do I have my NTFS-partition mounted in some wrong way perhaps? mount says "/dev/sdb2 on /media/USBNTFS type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096,default_permissions)"
[13:41] <bobo123> anyway how do I remount /dev/sdb2 in readonly-mode? (temporary of course, I don't want to change how it is mounted normally)
[13:46] <easwar> bobo123, umount /dev/sdb2; mkdir /media/temp; mount /dev/sdb2 /media/temp ro; umount /dev/sdb2; rmdir /media/temp
[13:47] <bobo123> ok thanks
[13:47] <easwar> sudo for all of those naturally
[13:52] <bobo123> I hope that that would do the trick. My real problem is that I want to mount a backup-file readonly, but when I try "sudo mount -o loop,ro,noload mybackupfile ~/backup" it only gives an error.
[13:52] <Awake_Atlast> What are held packages?
[13:53] <bobo123> and without noload the man says that it whould perhaps be written anyway ("Note that, depending on the filesystem type, state and kernel behavior, the system may still write to the device. For example, Ext3 or ext4 will replay its journal if the filesystem is dirty. To prevent this kind of write access, you may want to mount ext3 or ext4 filesystem with "ro,noload")
[14:04] <Awake_Atlast> UndiFineD:  you here?
[14:06] <Awake_Atlast> ?fuseblk
[14:31] <bobo123> is it possible to mount a ext3 filesystem as ext2 ?
[14:33] <Awake_Atlast> yup
[14:34] <Awake_Atlast> http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html
[14:39] <Awake_Atlast> bobo123: You get that?
[14:40] <bobo123> nice. mounting it as ext2 readonly worked, while ext3,readonly,noload didn't
[14:44] <Awake_Atlast> Im having the worst time trying to get this done =/
[14:45] <Awake_Atlast> growing pains i suppose
[14:45] <bobo123> what are you doing?
[14:47] <Awake_Atlast> Tryin to get updated.
[14:47] <Awake_Atlast> But the USB is being a real pain.
[14:47] <Awake_Atlast> And, all of my settings are messed up. Haha, i don't have access to half my files. And i only have 1.5megs of memory left =/
[14:50] <bobo123> ah
[14:51] <Awake_Atlast> Ya, im tempted to go to best buy an get a external GPU.
[14:52] <Awake_Atlast> Haha. Make my netbook into a beastly machine while its at the desk. Yet, it can pick up and go at anytime
[14:52] <Awake_Atlast> Best 20buckers i ever spent
[14:52] <bobo123> 20USD for a netbook????  oooooohh......
[14:53] <Awake_Atlast> Yea, haha. Its a Dell mini
[14:53] <Awake_Atlast> Not the prettiest to look at. But, i have it rigged up to a monitor and regular usb keyboard
[14:53] <Awake_Atlast> only 3 USB ports =/
[14:54] <bobo123> about small computers... I would love to get a Pandora, but it is 500USD ....
[14:57] <bobo123> (with only 256MB ram I wouldn't install Ubuntu on it though)
[14:58] <Awake_Atlast> There are lots of ways around that
[14:58] <Awake_Atlast> My desktop infront of me in osnly 256mb ram =P
[15:00] <bobo123> yeah I guess there is lots of useless background processes that can be removed from ubuntu... I had a fairly good knowledge of services etc to remove from WindowsXP back when i run windows, but I would need a good guide of stuff in ubuntu
[15:00] <Awake_Atlast> And that pandora is nothing. I mean its cool and all. But its ugly and quite bulky.
[15:01] <Awake_Atlast> I was talking to a corper at Acer the other day, and was telling her that she should really have the R/D team take another look at there Tablet Pc releases that are due out soon.
[15:01] <bobo123> is it possible to turn off all kind of cron-jobs stuff for example? there seems to be 3-4 different kinds of timed starting things, it is complex.
[15:02] <Awake_Atlast> If they switched from ARM chips to x86 and shipped with 1+ghz along with 2-4 gigs of ram. Arch Linux as the OS. And market as the Mobile WoW machine!
[15:02] <bobo123> 8x14 cm isn't very bulky, right? or I think I have enough big pockets :-)
[15:04] <Awake_Atlast> Hah, i suppose its not that big. Maybe just an early release for testing purposes im looking at.
[15:04] <Awake_Atlast> Looks very clunky and non-intuitive. Almost counter effective if gaming is the final goal
[15:06] <Awake_Atlast> The 10.1-inch Iconia Tab A500 comes loaded with a Tegra 250 dual-core 1GHz processor with integrated GeForce GPU, which Acer promises will be boss for HD gaming (Need for Speed: Shift and Let's Golf included), 1080p video and snappy browsing. With an aluminum casing, the tablet weighs about 1.7 pounds with a thickness of about a half inch. It carries 16GB of internal memory and supports Micro-SD cards up to 32GB. Acer
[15:06] <Awake_Atlast> http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/acer_iconia_tab_a500_pricing_release_date_and_images
[15:07] <Awake_Atlast> Hey, that was posted today...
[15:07] <bobo123> well, isn't it like same form as an nintendoDS but with analog nubs instead of a second screen?
[15:08] <bobo123> hmm... I'm not much into tablets... I say they would be perfect for a map in a car, but since I don't have a car.......
[15:08] <Awake_Atlast> Im not a big fan of the DS, they lost me after the opaque gameboy
[15:08] <bobo123> :-)
[15:08] <Awake_Atlast> He, the possibly of a tablet is limitless though.
[15:09] <Awake_Atlast> Look at me, im about to hook my Xbox hard drive up to this rinky dinky netbook lol.
[15:09] <bobo123> :-D
[15:10] <bobo123> still 1.5 MB memory left?
[15:11] <Awake_Atlast> Yea, waiting to get the fresh install of ubuntu on
[15:11] <Awake_Atlast> hah
[15:11] <Awake_Atlast> Oh sorry. Its 1.3g
[15:12] <bobo123> ah... that is a difference!
[15:12] <Awake_Atlast> My plan, is to have WoW up and running by tonight. Within the 30-40 FPS range
[15:13] <bobo123> because 1.4 MB left whould be like when ubuntu tries to tell you it will crash because of out-of-memory but it doesn't have enough memory to tell you ;-)
[15:15] <Awake_Atlast> hah.
[15:16] <bobo123> (You know WoW is a drug, right? just so you are aware... "friends don't let friends do WoW" ;-) hihi)
[15:16] <kevin6888296> i'm curious, if i want to set up compiz stand-alone, and then create my own little app for managing and opening programs, where should i start?
[15:17] <kevin6888296> i have some perl and python experience
[15:18] <Awake_Atlast> Haha, i only want to load it up for the learning value
[15:18] <bobo123> kevin6888296:  That would allmost be a good toopic for #ubuntu-intermediate channel, right? (if there was one)
[15:18] <bobo123> ;-)
[15:21] <kevin6888296> you must mean #ubuntu
[15:21] <kevin6888296> i think you'd be surprised what is considered "beginner" bobo123
[15:22] <kevin6888296> how is everybody, anyway?
[15:24] <bobo123> where would be a good place to begin if I want to learn perl and python btw?
[15:25] <Awake_Atlast> Exploits
[15:25] <Awake_Atlast> Building small little scripts to seek out phpbb vulns
[15:25] <Awake_Atlast> Keeps you entertained
[15:52] <duanedesign> bobo123: i have some Python references that are good listed  on my wiki page
[15:52] <duanedesign> bobo123: http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/okwiki/pythonquest
[15:53] <duanedesign> their is also some info for setting up Gedit as an IDE
[16:02] <Awake_Atlast> ok here i go. Hopefully this time it works haha
[19:04] <raju> how can i stop downloads in ubuntu software centers
[19:05] <holstein> raju: i would suggest not doing that
[19:05] <holstein> i would wait for it to finish
[19:06] <holstein> and remove whatever
[19:06] <holstein> i dont use software-center personally
[19:06] <holstein> but, you can really do some damage stopping updates or installs
[19:06] <raju> holstein: its grabbing my speed ...thats i hate
[19:07] <Wolf> would someone be able to help me with an install? my computer is being stupid and i could use some help
[19:07] <holstein> yeah, maybe wait til late night then
[19:07] <holstein> in the future
[19:07] <raju> holstein:  ha ha
[19:07] <holstein> set up installs or updates
[19:07] <raju> Wolf:  ?
[19:07] <holstein> let them go overnight or whatever
[19:07] <Wolf> yes
[19:08] <raju> wat sort of
[19:09] <Wolf> what sort of what?
[19:09] <holstein> problems ^
[19:09] <holstein> with your install
[19:09] <Wolf> oh lol
[19:09] <Wolf> well i bought a desktop for cheap on craigslist a few days ago
[19:09] <raju> holstein:  u got me
[19:09] <Wolf> and i was trying to get someone to help me install ubuntu cause it had a bad virus and i did a complete disk wipe
[19:10] <raju> wolf : k
[19:10] <Wolf> and it kept spitting errors at me during every install
[19:10] <holstein> you'll want to keep track of those erros
[19:10] <Wolf> and now i finally got to a screen thats black with the lines of text and it says
[19:10] <holstein> errors*
[19:10] <holstein> and paste them in here
[19:10] <holstein> also
[19:10] <raju> wolf : go for use entire disk
[19:10] <holstein> you can try different revs of buntu
[19:10] <holstein> like, 10.04
[19:10] <holstein> 10.10
[19:10] <Wolf> well it was the GLib error about the unknown user id
[19:11] <Wolf> but i finally got to a screen where in one line of the text it says "Welcome to Ubuntu!"
[19:11] <holstein> you can also google around for your exact model # and ubuntu
[19:11] <holstein> see if there are any active bugs
[19:11] <Wolf> and i didnt know if i needed to do anything or just like shut it off and restart
[19:11] <holstein> but, if its a new machine to you
[19:11] <holstein> you might want to test the components
[19:11] <holstein> the ram
[19:11] <holstein> the HD
[19:11] <holstein> and whatnot
[19:12] <holstein> bad ram can really look strange
[19:12] <holstein> i usually use http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[19:12] <holstein> to test things
[19:12] <holstein> but there are others
[19:12] <holstein> and theres a memory test on the live CD's
[19:12] <Wolf> ah ok
[19:12] <Wolf> well the only thing i wanted to know
[19:13] <Wolf> is now that im on the black screen where they had lines of code
[19:13] <Wolf> the bottom one says "welcome to ubuntu!"
[19:13] <Wolf> do i shut down and restart?
[19:13] <Wolf> or do i do something else first
[19:13] <holstein> depends
[19:13] <holstein> im going to suggest that if its not a hardware issue
[19:13] <holstein> its probably something to do with the graphics card drivers
[19:14] <holstein> Wolf: can you type something in?
[19:14] <holstein> are you at a prompt?
[19:14] <holstein> does control+alt+F2 get you to a prompt?
[19:14] <Wolf> it shows the blinking underscore
[19:14] <Wolf> like i am at a prompt
[19:14] <holstein> right
[19:14] <Wolf> but nothing happens when i type
[19:14] <holstein> hmmm
[19:14] <Wolf> lemme try control f2
[19:15] <Wolf> yes
[19:15] <holstein> Wolf: are you new to buntu?
[19:15] <Wolf> control f2 gave me a prompt
[19:15] <holstein> buntu/linux?
[19:15] <Wolf> lol yes, very very new
[19:15] <holstein> i usually suggest trying live CD's
[19:15] <holstein> different ones
[19:15] <holstein> thats easy for you to do
[19:15] <holstein> Wolf: at that prompt
[19:15] <holstein> you can type
[19:15] <holstein> lspci
[19:15] <Wolf> i had a friend helping me
[19:15] <holstein> and see what all the components are
[19:15] <Wolf> ok
[19:16] <holstein> and google the graphics adapter
[19:16] <holstein> but other than that
[19:16] <holstein> youll just need to try some things
[19:16] <holstein> i would test the hardware
[19:16] <Wolf> well i thought i was at a prompt....still not letting me tyope
[19:16] <Wolf> type*
[19:16] <holstein> and then try an alternate installer
[19:16] <holstein> Wolf: yeah, but you dont know anything about the machine
[19:16] <holstein> the USB keyboard
[19:16] <holstein> or PS2
[19:17] <holstein> or inputs jacks
[19:17] <holstein> or motherboard
[19:17] <holstein> any of that coule be failing
[19:17] <Wolf> ah
[19:18] <holstein> i gotta run
[19:18] <Wolf> ok
[19:18] <holstein> but i would try reducing the variables
[19:18] <holstein> and get something running on the desktop
[19:18] <holstein> so you can see what is working
[19:18] <holstein> good luck :)
[19:18] <Wolf> thanks
[19:21] <Wolf> anyone else still there?
[20:19] <Duhza> hello can some one help me with wireless
[20:19] <M0hi> !ask | Duhza
[20:19] <coz_> Duhza,  I probably cant,, I am a "doof"  with any kind of networking issues
[20:19] <Duhza> i cant seem to get it to work
[20:19] <coz_> Duhza,   I am sure otheres here know much more
[20:20] <M0hi> hello Duhza. Shoot it We have people =]
[20:21] <Duhza> um i tried the trouble shooting thing on the site but when i do the drver check it told me to look for "claimed,enable,disabled,unclaimed"
[20:21] <Duhza> and i dont see that
[20:22] <M0hi> Duhza, are you using 10.10 ?
[20:22] <M0hi> or 10.04?
[20:22] <Duhza> 10.10
[20:22] <M0hi> and so it says that the driver is missing?
[20:23] <Duhza> no stuff comes up like when i type: sudo ishw -C network
[20:23] <Duhza> but i dont see the claimd stuff
[20:23] <M0hi> is it lshw ?
[20:23] <M0hi> you typed?
[20:24] <M0hi> or ishw?
[20:24] <M0hi> the code is sudo lshw -C network
[20:24] <Duhza> lshw
[20:24] <Duhza> i did that
[20:24] <Duhza> and two things come up
[20:25] <M0hi> can you pastebin them?
[20:25] <M0hi> !pastebin
[20:25] <Duhza> umm
[20:25] <Duhza> sure i guess
[20:25] <M0hi> Duhza, Use paste.ubuntu.com
[20:26] <M0hi> and Grrrr! where is the bot? it made me cry now :[
[20:27] <charlie-tca> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[20:27] <M0hi> charlie-tca, \o/
[20:27] <charlie-tca> a little help
[20:27] <M0hi> :]
[20:27] <M0hi> sup charlie-tca ?
[20:28] <charlie-tca> trying to help out here and there
[20:28] <M0hi> awesome. and whats the time there?
[20:28] <charlie-tca> snow is about melted again, maybe it won't snow tonight
[20:28] <charlie-tca> 13:28 pm
[20:29] <M0hi> hmmm! its 00:59 here :P
[20:30] <Duhza> http://pastebin.com/fZ2tGGbW
[20:32] <M0hi> charlie-tca, can you help him? my internet is a bit fuzzy tonigt :[
[20:32] <M0hi> not even loading the pastebin:/
[20:33] <charlie-tca> I can look at the pastebin, but I am not good at networks
[20:33] <M0hi> google may help you
[20:34] <charlie-tca> Broadcom B43 - BCM4321 802.11a/b/g/n
[20:34] <Duhza> ?
[20:35] <M0hi> Duhza, are you using wired now?
[20:35] <Bipul`> yes
[20:35] <Duhza> yes
[20:35] <Bipul`> Duhza,  what's the problem mate
[20:35] <charlie-tca> this is what I know about Broadcom -
[20:35] <charlie-tca> if you have Broadcom 43xx wireless cards, you need to install these two files:
[20:35] <charlie-tca> bcmwl-kernel-source
[20:35] <charlie-tca> bcmwl-modaliases
[20:35] <M0hi> Bipul`, scroll up
[20:35] <Bipul`> ok
[20:35] <Duhza> ihow do i do taht
[20:37] <charlie-tca> Duhza: this helps - if you have Broadcom 43xx wireless cards, you need to install these two files:
[20:37] <charlie-tca> bcmwl-kernel-source
[20:37] <charlie-tca> bcmwl-modaliases
[20:37] <M0hi> Duhza, try sudo apt-get install
[20:37] <charlie-tca> no
[20:38] <Bipul`> Just go under System> Administration > Additional Drivers Look for wireless driver if is there you need to just activate
[20:38] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[20:38] <M0hi> Bipul`, are you using Maverick?
[20:38] <Bipul`> yes
[20:38] <Bipul`> 10.10
[20:39] <M0hi> great!
[20:39]  * M0hi missed his Maverick :[ crashed :/
[20:39] <M0hi> wb MrChrisDruif
[20:39] <MrChrisDruif> Thnx M0hi
[20:41] <Bipul`> Duhza,  ? what happen ?
[20:41] <M0hi> kay! time to sleep. G'nite all and good luck Duhza. follow what people are guiding you
[20:41] <Bipul`> Every thing is fixed up for it has issue ?
[20:42] <Bipul`> good night M0hi
[20:42] <M0hi> night Bipul` o/
[20:42] <Bipul`> :)
[20:56] <Duhza> thank u
[21:05] <micrypt_> Wrong room but how does on kill off another account?
[21:05] <holstein> micrypt_: a nick?
[21:05] <holstein> you ghost it
[21:06] <micrypt_> holstein: Yes.
[21:06] <micrypt_> Ha, okay. "/"ghost ?
[21:06] <micrypt_> holstein: I'll go look it up. Thanks.
[21:06] <holstein> i think its /msg nickserv ghost nick pass
[21:07] <holstein> micrypt_: do it in the server window though
[21:07] <holstein> so you dont drop a password by accident
[21:07] <holstein> in pubic :)
[21:07] <holstein> lol
[21:07] <holstein> public*
[21:07] <micrypt_> Lol, thanks.
[21:54] <MrChrisDruif> Hehe, pubic :P
[23:58] <kristian-aalborg> bugger.... caved in an made a cron job to restart wifi


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[09:19] <slashtommy> oh noes, i'm now passing around Kubuntu CDs because people are upset with Gnome3/Unity
[09:42] <slashtommy> good morning
[09:42] <airurando> morning slashtommy
[09:42] <airurando> morning all
[10:07] <ebel> ello
[10:32] <czajkowski> hows folks?
[10:32] <czajkowski> any news?
[10:39] <slashtommy> we have CDs!
[11:03] <czajkowski> yay
[11:03] <czajkowski> there were some USA teams that didnt get them
[11:03] <czajkowski> but a lot were EU and I wonder is it to do with the form and the fields
[11:03] <czajkowski> :S
[11:03] <ebel> odd
[11:04] <ebel> it always worked before in the past.
[11:04] <ebel> *shrug* worked in the end
[11:07] <czajkowski> nods
[11:07] <czajkowski> it did as it got a kicking


[14:53] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine_, is my desktop not supposed to work at all with the GNOME3 PPA ?
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> I get top panel, and thats it
[14:54] <bcurtiswx> nautilus: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:56] <bcurtiswx> anyone know how i search for what package contains that file ?
[14:56] <bcurtiswx> apt-cache search ?
[14:58] <micahg> bcurtiswx: apt-file
[14:58] <bcurtiswx> micahg, ty
[15:01] <milanbv> bcurtiswx: of course, this file comes from libgtk3.0
[15:24] <hyperair> any dbus-glib gurus around?
[15:25] <hyperair> when a server allocates a crapload of memory to pass into dbus (e.g. client calls a method or something), who frees it?
[15:25] <hyperair> dbus?
[15:25] <hyperair> or the server application itself?
[15:49] <bcurtiswx> ldd /usr/bin/nautilus | grep libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0  could someone using natty give me their output ?
[15:53] <bcurtiswx> micahg, ^^
[15:59] <bcurtiswx> anyone know if there's a way for me to DL that file on its own to put where the computer thinks it should be ?
[16:05] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, are you using the GNOME3 Team PPA currently ?
[16:12] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, currently not
[16:13] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, OK, the libgtk3.0 files you have in the GNOME3 PPA somehow aren't installing libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0
[16:13] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, nautilus requires that file to run, so I can't do anything with nautilus
[16:14] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, do you know how I might be able to download that .so file and put it where nautilus wants ?
[16:17] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, iirc, this x11 lib wont be built anymore, there will be only libgtk-3.0, so nautilus and its deps need a rebuild/update
[16:18] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, i have a nautilus update available but it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop :( i wouldn't know how to fix it to make it install
[16:19] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, have you installed all the packages of the gnome3 ppa?
[16:19] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, yup
[16:20] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, thats the only one that wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[16:20] <bcurtiswx> wait a second
[16:20] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, and a local rebuild of 2.91.6 against gtk+2.91.8~ doesnt work
[16:21] <bcurtiswx> no i did a apt-cache policy nautilus and it said it wasn't installed... but gosh if i remember any updates removing it... well hey.. problem solved i hope
[16:22] <ricotz> also g-s-d migth have some problems
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> that why i was assuming it was installed.. i make every effort on upgrades to not remove anything (i typically use apt-get update for that reason)
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> lol, ok check that,.. nvm
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> im on the wrong ssh
[16:23] <bcurtiswx> im battin 0.000 so far
[16:23] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, Installed: 1:2.91.4-0ubuntu1~build1    Candidate: 1:2.91.4-0ubuntu1~build2
[16:24] <ricotz> that wont work ;)
[16:24] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, :( no later version will either?
[16:25] <ricotz> i think 2.91.6 should work
[16:25] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, is that in a PPA ?
[16:25] <ricotz> you added the right ppa?
[16:25] <ricotz> yes it is
[16:25] <ricotz> ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[16:27] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, yeah, thats the one i got
[16:27] <ricotz> oh this build failed
[16:28] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, still.  i should get the one that it has which if 2.91.6.. right?
[16:28] <ricotz> yes
[16:28] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, i have the PPA but its not getting the new packages... any idea on how to diagnose why ?
[16:29] <ricotz> as i said i just noticed the 2.91.6 built failed
[16:29] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, oh, i was asking if the one previous to that was a 2.91.6 or 2.91.5 that i don't have
[16:30] <ricotz> you need the 2.91.6 to work with gtk2.91.7+
[16:32] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, the build in the PPA failed due to a missing dep, which according to apt-cache search doesn't exist and an apt-cache show says its virtual
[16:33] <bcurtiswx> gir1.0-pango-1.0
[16:33] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, maybe remove the dep ?
[16:34] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, its not seeing package in the PPA.. im gonna retry that build
[16:34] <bcurtiswx> it should see them.
[16:40] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, i pushed an update
[16:41] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, OK. i'll look for the changelog
[17:00] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, FTBFS on that build.
[17:00] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/61394207/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.nautilus_1%3A2.91.6-0ubuntu1~build2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:03] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, yeah, i see, i forgot to rename the nautilus gir package
[17:05] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, you are also a member of gnome3-team?
[17:06] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, yes
[17:06] <ricotz> so you can fix it yourself ;)
[17:06] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, yup, but i didn't know that the buil fail was due to a package rename.. im still learning that type of stuff :)
[17:07] <ricotz> i hope ~build3 will do
[17:08] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, the package shouldn' be gir1.0-nautilus-2.0 but gir1.2-nautilus-2.0?
[17:08] <ricotz> actually gir1.2-nautilus-3.0
[17:08] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, the 3.0 is for the gtk version ?
[17:08] <ricotz> no, the nautilus version
[17:09] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, 2.91.x is the 3.0 set.. yes.. sry :)
[17:09] <ricotz> right
[17:42] <bcurtiswx> anyone know how I would go about finding out how to see why nautilus wants to remove ubuntu-desktop.. aptitude why says ubuntu-desktop depends on nautilus, so why would it avoid an upgrade ?
[17:53] <geser> "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop nautilus" and see where apt-get complains
[17:54] <geser> you might need to repeat it with additional packages till you see the real conflict
[17:58] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, it is nautilus-sendto which needs to be remove and ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[17:58] <ricotz> so removing them will solve the problem
[17:59] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, i don't have nautilus-sendto
[18:00] <ricotz> try to use aptitude which is quite comportable to use to figure these things out
[18:03] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, ubuntu-desktop needs to not depend on nautilus-sendto, would it be appropriate to make a GNOME3 PPA build of ubuntu-desktop that doesn't depend on nautilus-sendto ?
[18:04] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, just remove it for testing purposes, ubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package to pull in all needed stuff
[18:11] <GunnarHj> geser: Hi Michael, did my mail-reply yesterday make sense?
[18:12] <geser> yes
[18:18] <geser> GunnarHj: I have in the gdm login dialog "English (Ireland)" selected for a long time already. Don't if it matters in the upgrade, but I've also auto-login enabled. It was easier for me to edit .dmrc instead of figuring out which tool I need to use
[18:20] <geser> and I've "customized" my Ubuntu for my need so my installation and also usage isn't very typical
[18:26] <GunnarHj> geser: I see. Sounds like I don't need to worry to much then.
[18:27] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, do you have libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0 still in /usr/lib ?
[18:27] <geser> GunnarHj: as I wasn't sure if it's a problem for others too (a bug) or not, I mailed you instead of filing a bug
[18:29] <GunnarHj> geser: Ok. Guess we'll get to know in the next few weeks.
[18:30] <GunnarHj> geser: The ambition was to prevent undesired surprises as far as possible, but obviously we didn't catch all cases. ;-)
[18:43] <bcurtiswx> anyone here using natty have /usr/lib/gtk-x11-3.0.so.0 and /usr/lib/gdk-x11-3.0.so.0 ?
[18:43] <bcurtiswx> i would like to request that someone send them to me in e-mail so I can have them for the time being until other programs are built without them appropriately
[18:44] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, these file arent available anymore
[18:44] <ricotz> is nautilus still complaining about it
[18:44] <ricotz> ?
[18:44] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, yes
[18:45] <ricotz> is it nautilus or another dependency?
[18:45] <bcurtiswx> i type nautilus in the terminal and it doesn't like that those files aren't available
[18:47] <ricotz> ldd /usr/bin/nautilus contains the gdk/gtk-x11 lib?
[18:47] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, yes sir says its not found, but looks for it
[18:48] <ricotz> ok :), i didnt installed it myself and i am a bit afraid to do so
[18:48] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, as a workaround if i can get those files i can get things to work
[18:49] <bcurtiswx> i temp symlinked them to libgtk-3.0.so.0 and it causes some major warning and some breakage still
[18:49] <bcurtiswx> but at least that got it to work, but it still doesn't on login
[18:49] <bcurtiswx> and only classic desktop
[18:50] <ricotz> surely there is another dependency interfering
[18:50] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, idk, is there a way i can find out ?
[18:52] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  out of curiosity..., this is a clean install of natty?  yes?
[18:53] <bcurtiswx> coz_, it was originally a edit of the sources list to have natty, so to answer your question, no
[18:53] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  oh  mmm   have you already   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:54] <bcurtiswx> coz_, yes
[18:54] <coz_> bcurtiswx,   the last time I tried changeing the sources list to install natty if failed miserably
[18:54] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  i then downloaded and burned the daily  and installed that
[18:55] <coz_> bcurtiswx, of course there are always issues with alphas  but at least it was working as well as it could
[18:55] <bcurtiswx> coz, it was just a find/replace in the sources.list from maverick to natty
[18:55] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  right...that didnt work for me
[18:55] <bcurtiswx> coz_, hmm. OK
[18:56] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  unless you have a zillion files to back up ... I would just download the daily build...check md5sums and burn it at  1x if possible
[18:57] <bcurtiswx> coz_, i may.  at this point im trying to learn about finding issues and possibly fixing them.. but it's all learn by myself.  I learn best that way thoug
[18:58] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  that 's great but  somehow I dont think starting with a broken leg is the best way to enter a race
[18:59] <bcurtiswx> coz_, how would _you_ go about learning those type of things then?
[18:59] <coz_> bcurtiswx,   well there are plently of bugs in natty to work with :)
[19:00] <coz_> bcurtiswx,   and  right now you have issues with maverick turned into natty... although it may be worth ferreting through everything to find the issues to fix it... I think  reporting and attempting to fix  bugs  not caused by an upgrade may be more beneficial
[19:01] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  but that is strickly my own perspective on it
[19:01] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  please dont listen to me if it doesnt sit well with you :)
[19:01] <bcurtiswx> coz_, with probably more than half of the ubuntu userbase upgrading and not fresh-installing.  I would think that upgrade bugs are fairly important :)
[19:02] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  i agree so I will back off from lecturing :)
[22:25] <scott-work> Ng:  sorry to bother you, but you had addressed my rt ticket about ubuntustudio.org access but used an old gpg key
[22:25] <scott-work> Ng:  i updated the ticket and just wanted to let you what happened


[16:03] <matthewg42> Hi.  I want to add the website for my project (stellarium) to bzr... not sure how best to do this.
[16:04] <matthewg42> we have a few potential "owners" in the breat branch page: stellarium, stellarium-devel, stellarium-translators...
[16:05] <matthewg42> I saw that for bzr, they have a specific owner for the web site:  bzr-website
[16:05] <matthewg42> would you recommend this approach?
[16:06] <matthewg42> also... is there a difference between creating a branch on launchpad, and doing a direct push to create the branch?
[16:08] <jelmer> matthewg42: hi
[16:08] <matthewg42> hi
[16:08] <jelmer> matthewg42: I don't really have a recommendation about the teams - I guess it would make sense to create a new team so you can just add anybody (or any team) that should be able to access the website, without changing the location
[16:09] <jelmer> matthewg42: there isn't really a difference between creating a branch and doing a direct push
[16:09] <matthewg42> ok, thanks.  there's no "proper" way to do it then?
[16:11] <jelmer> matthewg42: Not really, it's up to you.. whatever works best in your particular situation.
[16:39] <matthewg42> If I create a team... and then make that team a sub-team of another team.... what are the implications for permissions - e.g. commit to the parent team's bzr?
[16:43] <jelmer> matthewg42: the members of the subteam can commit to the branches the parent team owns
[16:46] <matthewg42> thanks
[16:48] <matthewg42> I'm trying to understand why out teams and projects were set up like they were (I didn't do it).  We have a team "stellarium-devel" which owns no branches.  A sub-team of this is "stellarium" which has branches.
[16:49] <matthewg42> I just added a new sub-team "stellarium-website" to "stellarium-devel".... if I create the website bzr branch in "stellarium-website", that seems ok... since "stellarium-devel" doesn't have any branches of its own...
[16:49] <matthewg42> and I can maintain segregration beween teams "stellarium" and "stellarium-website" right?
[16:50] <matthewg42> personally, I think the name of the teams "stellarium" and "stellarium-devel" should probably be swapped over, but heh, it is how it is now.
[17:12] <maxb> matthewg42: I would say that ~stellarium-devel exists only because of its mailing list
[17:13] <maxb> matthewg42: In fact, I think it is an error to add ~stellarium-website to ~stellarium-devel
[17:16] <maxb> Although ~stellarium is also a member of ~stellarium-devel
[17:17] <maxb> Is the comment on https://launchpad.net/~stellarium-devel saying "Note: The mailing list provided below is disabled.
[17:17] <maxb> Use the old mailing list instead..." true?
[17:17] <lifeless> so that structure says 'all stellarium members are s-devel members'. That is, you cannot get commit to trunk access without also getting mailling list access
[17:17] <maxb> If so, maybe the ~stellarium-devel team is pointless and should be disabled
[17:29] <matthewg42> maxb: that's entirely possible.  I need to wait to talk to the guy who set it up I think.
[17:30] <matthewg42> I think we need to make it more sane
[17:31] <matthewg42> we're in a strange limbo between launchpad and sourceforge... moving more stuff to launchpad over time.
[17:32] <matthewg42> but I expect sourceforge will continue to be used for file releases.  We have some v. big files there and moving them would be a pain.  Also the website is hosted on sourceforge.
[18:22] <matthewg42> I don't understand something....   how come I can refer to the main stellarium branch as lp:stellarium, but actually I think it is lp:~stellarium/stellarium/trunk ?
[18:22] <matthewg42> how is this synonym made?
[18:23] <matthewg42> is the branch owned by the project stellarium, or the team stellarium?
[18:28] <txdv> i guess project
[18:28] <txdv> we got hipl and hipl-dev
[18:28] <txdv> where hipl-dev is the group and hipl the project name
[19:56] <duron23> Hi people
[19:56] <duron23> Merry christmas to all
[19:56] <duron23> I have recently finished coding my program
[19:57] <duron23> now I want to distribute it using launchpad
[19:57] <duron23> but I don't know how to update my src to launchpad, so that it will build .deb packages out of it
[19:57] <duron23> can anybody help me with this ?