[00:04] <hsquared> hi there
[00:05] <hsquared> seems I somehow killed all my window-stuff with a 9.10 kubuntu
[00:05] <hsquared> the taskbar only consists of vertical lines
[00:06] <hsquared> window title and window borders are also only pixeled stuff
 Using ubuntuone-kde, I can't get it to show me the "add this computer" page.  I had it set up before but now that I've reinstalled it with the latest packages from the ubuntuone-kde ppa its not completing setup <----so plants vs zombies would run in ubuntu 10.4 using ubuntuone-kde?
[00:06] <hsquared> any hints to get out of this?
[00:06] <geneiros> using u1sync --authorize does it help??
[00:08] <geneiros> try:
[00:08] <geneiros> u1sdtool -q; killall ubuntuone-login; u1sdtool -c
[00:09] <harolddong> the u1sdtool -q line does nothing
[00:09] <harolddong> I've been trying that
[00:09] <harolddong> I'll try the u1sync --authorize line
[00:11] <harolddong> "u1sync --authorize" returns "u1sync: error: no such option: --authorize"
[00:11] <geneiros> do you have ubuntuone-client-tools?
[00:11] <harolddong> yes
[00:11] <geneiros> hum strange
[00:34] <harolddong> bascially every ubuntuone terminal command throws up a lot of dbus errors.  Is that a bad sign?
[00:35] <harolddong> http://pastebin.org/82877 for example
[00:51] <orbitalcommand> im connecting with "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid {"essid"} enc {enc}" and it doesnt give me any errors but i cant load web browser and connect.  any ideas on how to resovle this issue?
[02:05] <angelcon> some one know how to use this?
[02:10] <olskolirc_> what angelcon
[02:22] <angelcon> !rules
[02:22] <angelcon> @rules
[02:23] <ubuntu1152003> hey, anyone knows how to use modem-modeswitch?
[02:57] <nobarking> hey everyone
[02:57] <nobarking> is there a chance log for Kubuntu 10.10 i can look at?
[02:58] <moetunes> nobarking:  in konsole do   dmesg
[02:59] <nobarking> moetunes: i mean change log*
[02:59] <moetunes> oh - don't know about that sorry
[03:38] <SporkWitch> which file are $PATH entries stored in?  Starting to make more use of shell scripts and custom commands, would be nice if I didn't need to specify the path each time i want to use one
[03:41] <deborah> i tried to ugrade from 8.10-9.04-9.10-10.04 but something happened wrong between 9.10 and 10.04. the package manager and upgrade manager doesnt work, and the mouse doesnt work. it telling me to proceed with the upgrade but nothing happens. what do i do?
[03:41] <moetunes> SporkWitch:  have a look at .bash_profile
[03:42] <SporkWitch> deborah: i've noticed sometimes if it asks for authorization (your password) it doesn't always bring that window to the forefront.  check a task manager bar to see if there's a window asking for your password
[03:43] <SporkWitch> moetunes: normally stored where?
[03:43] <moetunes> SporkWitch:  in your home dir
[03:43] <deborah> moetunes: i shut all the windows. how do i bring it back up w/o rebooting?
[03:43] <deborah> oops... wrong person. :)
[03:44] <moetunes> deborah:  the upgrade manager?
[03:44] <deborah> the upgrade manager wont come back up now.
[03:44] <deborah> i dont know where to find it. the package manager will  come up though,
[03:45] <moetunes> deborah:  in alt+F2 type   sudo update-manger -d   iirc
[03:45] <moetunes> or in konsole
[03:46] <deborah> do i includ the iirc?
[03:47] <deborah> either way it reads, " the update manager cannot be found"
[03:48] <moetunes> iirc = If I Recall Correctly
[03:48] <dasKreech> deborah: what happens if you type sudo update-manager ?
[03:49] <deborah> dasKreech: sudo: update-manager: command not found
[03:50] <moetunes> might be time for   sudo apt-get install -f
[03:51] <SporkWitch> moetunes: so if i don't see a .bashrc or .bash_profile in ~/ i should be able to create a file and just enter the correct path entry i want added, save the file with the name .bash_profile, and it should pull all settings from the default, and add in my added path listing.  is that correct?  or do i need to create an entire .bashrc and/or .bash_profile from scratch?
[03:51] <deborah> done. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:52] <moetunes> SporkWitch:  those files should be there - do you have   "show hidden files"   enabled in the file manager?
[03:52] <SporkWitch> moetunes: i do most file operations from the terminal, i used locate .bashrc and locate .bash_profile
[03:52] <SporkWitch> some example files in usr/share/doc but nothing in my ~/
[03:53] <deborah> one of my friends said it might be better to do a clean install from a 10.04 disk but he was concerned that it might destroy the boot manager that lets me get into vista.
[03:54] <moetunes> deborah:  does   lsb_release   say you have 10.04 ?
[03:54] <SporkWitch> deborah: i used the kubuntu 10.04 amd64 DVD (can provide link if you want to paly it safe and use exact same as me) and it automatically added an entry to boot my Win7 drive
[03:54] <slooksterpsv> anyone else in here use colibri?
[03:54] <SporkWitch> i had the same worry, so i even installed the boot manager in a different HDD and cahnged my boot order, just in case
[03:54] <deborah> lsb_release is 9.10
[03:54] <dasKreech> deborah: I'd say unless you have a crazy amount of custom scripts it's probably always better to do a new install. Having said that I always upgrade
[03:54] <SporkWitch> it loads win7 fine, and it set that up automatically
[03:55] <deborah> yeah. all of my files are saved on my thumbdrive.
[03:55] <moetunes> deborah:  you could try to install the update-manager
[03:55] <SporkWitch> dasKreech: some of us have crap internet, so downloading ISOs and reinstalling tons of apps is a pain lol, especially since Germany likes to send nastygrams if you pass too much data lol
[03:56] <moetunes> SporkWitch:  check if /etc/skel has a bashrc
[03:56] <SporkWitch> moetunes: it does
[03:56] <slooksterpsv> ok colibri, that I've got working just fine, I have another issue, my windows don't maximize all the way, there's a large gap at the top where the add widget and show all windows buttons are, how can I fix this?
[03:57] <moetunes> SporkWitch:  I would copy that - cp -iv /etc/skel/bashrc ~/.bashrc
[03:57] <SporkWitch> slooksterpsv: right click on the panel those buttons are on, modify panel settings, and "allow windows to cover" under "more setings"
[03:57] <SporkWitch> cp -iv /etc/skel/.bashrc ~/.bashrc
[03:57] <SporkWitch> d'oh lol
[03:57] <moetunes> is there a bash_profile in there too?
[03:58] <slooksterpsv> SporkWitch - uhmmm not seeing that
[03:58] <SporkWitch> will have to check, but when i do what you say, it asks me to overwrite... wtf isn't it showing it lol
[03:58] <deborah> i have a disk that was made by my friend who said that it was error free. i havea list of what programs that i like to use on kubuntu, and all my files are already saved. so if it is easier just putting the disk in, than trying to retry to get the ugrade manager to work i would do that. i just dont want to loose vista because i sometimes need it, but i lost the laptop disks.
[03:58] <dasKreech> SporkWitch: You pull more data doing an update. At least on the CD the programs are compressed before sending to you
[03:59] <SporkWitch> dasKreech: for the update itself, yes, when you factor in all the other stuff you get to download again and reinstall (such as about 50 or 60GB worth of game clients), upgrading is a more viable option lol
[03:59] <dasKreech> deborah: apt-cache search update-manager
[03:59] <slooksterpsv> oh nvm got it, thanks =D
[04:00] <slooksterpsv> KDE is giving me a rough time :(
[04:00] <SporkWitch> slooksterpsv: np :)
[04:00] <dasKreech> awww
[04:00]  * dasKreech hugs slooksterpsv
[04:00] <SporkWitch> KDE takes some getting used to if you're used to gnome, but i like it a lot more.  more flexibility and customization, from what i've seen
[04:00] <dasKreech> Bad kde! Be smooth
[04:00] <SporkWitch> (and gnome is ugly :P)
[04:00] <dasKreech> haha
[04:01] <slooksterpsv> haha, now I lost the widget that shows all your windows open like an expose type mode, what is that called
[04:01] <deborah> dasKreech: i get four different update managers. gnome, kde, hidon and text.
[04:01] <deborah> dasKreech: *hildon
[04:01] <SporkWitch> slooksterpsv: you lost it, or it's underneath a window?
[04:01] <slooksterpsv> nvm it's still there, phew, yeah gnome and lxde are my cup of tea
[04:01] <dasKreech> deborah: what's the textone say?
[04:01] <slooksterpsv> no when I'd go over the top left hand corner area, it would show, but now it has to be completely at the top left
[04:02] <SporkWitch> slooksterpsv: you'll learn to love it.  OR ELSE :P
[04:02] <SporkWitch> slooksterpsv: oh, did you do autohide instead of "allow windows to cover" ?
[04:02] <deborah> dasKreech: update-manager-text - Text application that manages apt updates
[04:02] <slooksterpsv> SporkWitch: the biggest trouble I had tonight was getting the folder view to stay sized at what I resized it to
[04:03] <dasKreech> deborah: Funky. I guess that's not installed?
[04:03] <slooksterpsv> SporkWitch: Can Cover is what it's set to
[04:03] <SporkWitch> i turned off auto-hide on my panels because sometimes it'd be finicky since one of my monitors is a shorter vertical resolution than the other.  i just use "allow windows to cover" and it lets me have full-size windows without worrying about auto-hide wonkiness (and alt+f1 will open the menu by default)
[04:03] <dasKreech> deborah: what does apt-get upgrade do ?
[04:03] <dasKreech> slooksterpsv: what would it do?
[04:03] <SporkWitch> dasKreech: should update the list of available packages IIRC
[04:04] <dasKreech> SporkWitch: I know but I'm trying to  figure out if deborah has all the updates needed
[04:04] <slooksterpsv> dasKreech - I'd resize it, and it would resize itself back to the size it was when I started
[04:04] <slooksterpsv> dasKreech, the only way I fixed it was by installing kde-full and restarting, that fixed it, oddly enough
[04:04] <SporkWitch> dasKreech: thought you were asking what the command did lol
[04:05] <deborah> dasKreech: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:05] <dasKreech> sudo apt-get install update-manager-text
[04:05] <deborah> and it makes the mouse die, so i have to plug in an external mouse.
[04:06] <deborah> it is fetching something now
[04:06] <deborah> dasKreech: it is fetching something now
[04:07] <deborah> dasKreech: Setting up update-manager-text (1:0.126.10) ...
[04:08] <deborah> dasKreech: Selecting previously deselected package update-manager-text.(Reading database ... 120959 files and directories currently installed.)Unpacking update-manager-text (from .../update-manager-text_1%3a0.126.10_all.deb) ...
[04:08] <dasKreech> try update-manager -d now
[04:08] <dasKreech> urk
[04:08] <dasKreech> wait
[04:08] <dasKreech> update-manager
[04:08] <dasKreech> You don't want -d
[04:08] <deborah> dasKreech: k waiting
[04:08] <dasKreech> sudo update-manager
[04:09] <deborah> dasKreech: still get command not found
[04:11] <syss> g\9
[04:11] <deborah> i must have messed up when i took the laptop home, between the upgrades, because when i rebooted the boot manager asked me if i wanted to fix some files and i typed in yes.
[04:11] <dasKreech> update- then press tab twice
[04:12] <slooksterpsv> ok I have another question, I like colibri, it's not bad, but is there a way I can get the gnome notifier in KDE, the one that's black, transparent and with white text?
[04:13] <SporkWitch> moetunes: ok, so there was no .bash_profile, but there was a .bashrc.  I created my own .bash_profile just now, following this example: http://home.ubalt.edu/abento/linux/terminal/addtopath.html So, this should make it so all terminals i open, as well as any GUI links, should now look for commands along the added path, correct?  The main goal was to be able to execute a shell script via an entry on the kmenu, and to make it faster and
[04:13] <SporkWitch>  easier, i wanted to have it check there for the script (i.e. instead of making the link read: ~/scripts/scriptname modifiers; I could just have the link read "scriptname modifiers")
[04:14] <SporkWitch> (have a few downloads going via WINE, dont' want to interrupt them so can't relog to test heh)
[04:14] <deborah> dasKreech: k. i pressed tab twice with the updatemanager-text, and i get a list of programs and files
[04:15] <moetunes> SporkWitch:  you'll prob have to logout/login to get the bash environment used
[04:15] <SporkWitch> moetunes: yup, just wanted to know if it SHOULD work lol.  i can't test it immediately due to the downloads I have going in WINE (finicky in the first place, i try not to test its patience lol).
[04:16] <moetunes> heh
[04:16] <SporkWitch> moetunes: the "should work" that i'm going to take that response for is sufficient for the time being lol
[04:16] <deborah> brb.  someone is at the door.
[04:17] <SporkWitch> moetunes: you "heh," I say that downloading massive game clients at less than 250KB/s TWICE because EVE's installer crapped out the first time when the screensaver came up is NOT FUN lol
[04:17]  * SporkWitch misses when CCP supported a dedicated Linux client
[04:17] <SporkWitch> they should drop the macheads, and go back to supporting linux; all the macheads just bootcamp anyway lol :P
[04:25] <slooksterpsv> hey what's the dark theme that kde used to have called, it was a slick black theme, almost like an inverted oxygen theme - SporkWitch deborah - you guys seem in tune with kde
[04:28] <slooksterpsv> this theme, what's it called: http://www.notmart.org/images/plasmakde41.png
[04:31] <SporkWitch|AFK> slooksterpsv: the one i've been using is like "obsidian coast" or something close to that
[04:31] <SporkWitch|AFK> mostly greys and blacks
[04:33] <slooksterpsv> ??? that doesn't do my panels?
[04:33] <SporkWitch|AFK> slooksterpsv: yeah, that looks like the obsidian theme i have, came pre-installed with kubuntu 10.04 amd64 dvd
[04:33] <SporkWitch|AFK> it should...
[04:33] <SporkWitch|AFK> should be under the "appearance" settings
[04:33] <SporkWitch|AFK> last tab
[04:34] <slooksterpsv> ???
[04:34] <slooksterpsv> I went to colors and changed that
[04:34] <SporkWitch|AFK> applications -> settings -> system settings -> appearance -> Colours -> Obsidian Coast.
[04:34] <SporkWitch|AFK> and that should change your panels as well (it did for me at least lol)
[04:34] <slooksterpsv> right, I did that, it didn't do my panel though
[04:35] <SporkWitch|AFK> and you hit apply?
[04:35] <slooksterpsv> yup
[04:35] <slooksterpsv> haha, KDE hates me
[04:35] <SporkWitch|AFK> style -> workspace -> oxygen
[04:36] <slooksterpsv> oh thank you that is
[04:36] <slooksterpsv> it
[04:36] <SporkWitch|AFK> yup, now i get to wonder why when i set mine back to oxygen, my panels aren't black again.... lol
[04:36] <SporkWitch|AFK> and i get to blame you, since i wouldn't have changed it if i weren't checking to see if it worked lol
[04:37] <slooksterpsv> haha
[04:37] <slooksterpsv> KDE is a pain cause it takes more time to modify things to optimize how you want it to look than Gnome, no offense, they need to get rid of the notification thing in kde
[04:38] <SporkWitch|AFK> m'eh, it'll hopefully sort itself out after i relog the session
[04:38] <slooksterpsv> do like Gnome is doing or implement Colibri
[04:38] <SporkWitch|AFK> i'll worry about it if/when these downloads every finish
[04:38] <slooksterpsv> haha
[04:41] <slooksterpsv> kopete has too many menu items and icons, reminds me of how messy msn is; the notifications are huge, auto hide, but gather up quickly if you can't click on them to close them quick enough; changing the color scheme is complicated too, Workspace? for real? yeah call it something that normal people find it under haha. what else... I understand the fine tuning, but they need to change it to where its easy for new users - probably my fave p
[04:41] <slooksterpsv> oh and KOffice
[04:42] <deborah> back...
[04:42] <SporkWitch|AFK> slooksterpsv: just use pidgin for chat
[04:42] <slooksterpsv> oh I'm using pidgin lol can't stand kopete
[04:42] <SporkWitch|AFK> slooksterpsv: i've not been able to find a multiprotocol chat client better
[04:43] <SporkWitch|AFK> slooksterpsv: and i still prefer thunderbird for mail, especially since it's the only one i've found that actually is built to play nice with googlemail
[04:43] <slooksterpsv> Empathy would be nice in gnome, if it had some more options
[04:43] <slooksterpsv> Evolution does, really well, especially for the calendar
[04:43] <SporkWitch|AFK> delete actually deletes, starring is supported, and there's also archive to archive the mail instead of delete
[04:43] <SporkWitch|AFK> eh, still prefer thunderbird.  only complaint i have is that apparently the lightning calendar plugin for it (which i loved in the windows version) doesn't seem to be supported by the current linux thunderbird app
[04:44] <slooksterpsv> oh really?
[04:44] <slooksterpsv> ouch
[04:44] <SporkWitch|AFK> yeah
[04:44] <SporkWitch|AFK> haven't looked too deeply into it though, just downloaded, tried ti install, and got an error
[04:44] <SporkWitch|AFK> i figure i'll look into it later, i don't use it all that much, it's just a nice convenience
[04:45] <deborah> SporkWitch|AFK: ...back... the black one that i use (when i use a black one) is Magnesium
[04:45] <SporkWitch|AFK> in any case, AFK again, gonna grab a shower and get ready for work so I can just head out the door when it's time, instead of staring at this clock worrying about getting distracted and not having time to get ready lol
[04:45] <SporkWitch|AFK> deborah: will check it out.  it's not wanting to change the themes for me at the moment, think it's just being stubborn and a session reset ought to fix it
[04:46] <deborah> reboot. bbs
[04:46] <SporkWitch|AFK> but yeah, AFK
[04:46]  * SporkWitch|AFK is AFK
[04:48] <slooksterpsv> phew, I have a lot to learn with KDE, I know XFCE well, LXDE, Gnome, KDE has just, ever since 4.0, I've disliked it cause it seemed big and bulky
[04:50] <deborah> yay the upgrader is working!
[04:51] <slooksterpsv> deborah: what are you upgrading to?
[04:51] <deborah> 10.04
[04:51] <deborah> slooksterpsv: from 9.10 to 10.04
[04:52] <slooksterpsv> nice lol
[04:52] <slooksterpsv> I went from Ubuntu 10.04 to Lubuntu 10.04 to Kubuntu 10.04 (following Psychocats install and uninstall instructions)
[04:52] <deborah> it froze up, and this channel helped get it going.
[04:52] <slooksterpsv> YAY!
[04:53] <slooksterpsv> ubottu > kde
[04:53] <deborah> this was orignially a ubuntu system, but i liked some of the programs on my friends kubuntu.
[04:54] <slooksterpsv> see that's why I want to use Kubuntu, I like a lot of the programs, especially how with kwrite you can rotate images
[04:54] <slooksterpsv> what proggys do you like
[04:54] <slooksterpsv> ubottu Slook > kde
[04:55] <slooksterpsv> ubottu kde > Slook
[04:55] <deborah> i like the organizer/planner (i have to look its name up
[04:55] <slooksterpsv> Kontact
[04:55] <deborah> lol. the personal information manager and kontact
[04:55] <slooksterpsv> pim = kontact lol oddly
[04:55] <deborah> k.
[04:56] <slooksterpsv> I would have thought kontact was the address book
[04:57] <slooksterpsv> yeah it's integration is better than Evolution and Zimbra- but I like Evolution for its interface, gnome like, and zimbra cause of its evolution like interface, I don't like zimbra cause I can't write back to my google calendar, and evolution, I wanted more of the items like it has in Kontact
[04:57] <dasKreech> slooksterpsv: I take it you aren't on KDE 4.5 ?
[04:57] <deborah> i like tomboy. and i leave sticky notes everywhere to remind me, and notebook sticky notes are better than putting real sticky notes all over the laptop. :)
[04:57] <slooksterpsv> dasKreech - I think it's KDE 4.5, it's whatever Kubuntu-desktop installs lol
[04:58] <dasKreech> slooksterpsv: Are you on 10.10 ?
[04:58] <slooksterpsv> dasKreech - no 10.04
[04:58] <slooksterpsv> *.1
[04:58] <SporkWitch|AFK> 10.04 installs 4.4
[04:58] <slooksterpsv> ahhh ok
[04:58] <SporkWitch|AFK> 4.5 should be part of the 10.10 upgrade today, i should think, though
[04:58] <slooksterpsv> deborah: haven't really used Tomboy too much, I like it, but never really used it a whole lot - can't say I care for the Mono bindings either
[04:59] <dasKreech> slooksterpsv: The notifications are way better on 4.5 I jumped on a live CD the other day and was surprised by how annoyed I was with the 4.4 :) You can install colibri as well if you like
[04:59] <dasKreech> There is a KDE version
[04:59] <slooksterpsv> dasKreech - I'm using Colibri, hate Kubuntu notifications
[04:59] <SporkWitch> now with the notifications, can you tell it to ignore some apps?
[05:00] <deborah> ***looks up colibri***
[05:00] <SporkWitch> i've noticed that pidgin integrates properly with the little notifier applet in the system tray, but it ALSO integrates with the one that gives me messages about updates, packages that'll make something run better, etc.
[05:00] <dasKreech> SporkWitch: yes
[05:01] <SporkWitch> rather annoying when the little applet does it perfectly, but the main one leaves all the login/logout notifications there until i close them, one by one, even if they are hidden until i click the button lol
[05:01] <dasKreech> Forget wehre but I used to play with it. It's not super granular which is quite un KDE like
[05:02] <SporkWitch> yeah, when i hit "system tray settings" one of hte toggles is for application notices, but that sounds like it might also include system update notifications and the like, the stuff that i DO want it telling me about lol
[05:02] <SporkWitch> be nice if it timestamped the notifications, too.... lol
[05:03] <slooksterpsv> so I may have to download the Kubuntu RC and try it out
[05:03] <SporkWitch> slooksterpsv: the release is tonight.... lol
[05:03] <SporkWitch> AFAIK kubuntu and ubuntu releases are simultaneous
[05:03] <SporkWitch> or they try to be
[05:03] <SporkWitch> heck, the kubuntu site says it's ALREADY available lol
[05:03] <slooksterpsv> so Kubuntu 10.10 is tomorrow? last time I thought they released Kubuntu's like a week after Ubuntu's latest release... could be wrong
[05:04] <SporkWitch> dunno, maybe they're making an extra effort since it's version 10.10, releasing on 10/10/10, and the current theory is that it will release at 1010 GMT
[05:04] <SporkWitch> kind of hard to pass up that cheese / marketing potential lol
[05:04] <deborah> lol. i forgot my original question. is it better to upgrade to 10.04 or do a clean install?
[05:05] <SporkWitch> deborah: everyone seems to recommend clean install; me? i just spent over 20 hours downloading installers and the like on this POS DSL connection, i'm NOT doing that again
[05:05] <SporkWitch> i'll use the upgrade option lol
[05:06] <SporkWitch> i feel like i've stepped back in time to the mid-90's or something, the last time i had internet this slow and ****ty was when i didn't have internet at all lol; amazing really, i'd always heard most of the EU telekoms were great, but germany clearly not so much lol
[05:07] <dasKreech> deborah: depends on how much you like redoing your setup
[05:07] <SporkWitch> (this is of course an exageration; i still remember how fast my first 14.4k modem was at the time lol; still compared to the 15-20Mb/s i'm used to, 2Mb/s DSL sucks)
[05:07] <deborah> SporkWitch: sorry to hear that. i dont have much on it, since most everything is saved on my thumbdrive, but i didnt consider the time. last time i had to REinstall vista all the updates and patches took 3 days.
[05:07] <dasKreech> slooksterpsv: No They all release on the same day
[05:07] <dasKreech> slooksterpsv: It's one server :)
[05:07] <deborah> i dont think the upgrades for 10.04 should take too long.
[05:08] <SporkWitch> deborah: well, assumign they release the DVD iso, it shouldn't be too much trouble, just the one big one and a few random codecs and other dependencies
[05:08] <SporkWitch> deborah: only reason you had that big patch-up when you first install 10.04 is that it's not brand new, so stuff's been updated (including the kernel)
[05:10] <slooksterpsv> :| I don't want to change my OS again, but I have a feeling I'm going to be going back to Ubuntu with Gnome lol, KDE and me are just not friends we're archenemies
[05:11] <SporkWitch> don't do it! ubuntu is a gateway OS! it leads to windows!
[05:11] <SporkWitch> lol :P
[05:11] <deborah> SporkWitch: k. after the nightmare that vista was, kubuntu is a dream.
[05:13] <SporkWitch> deborah: that's not saying much, but yeah, these days a first time linux experience is amazing after windows, vista especially.  that being said, win7 isn't so bad from a gamer's perspective.  you've gotta run windows anyway for a lot of stuff, and if you've gotta do it, win7 is the first version to not make me feel dirty after booting
[05:14] <slooksterpsv> ouch, ok Kontact is messing up on me clipping and that
[05:14] <deborah> my friend lost an adquaintance back to ms from kubuntu because of gaming.
[05:15] <SporkWitch> yeah.  luckily for me, most of my PC gaming is EVE Online these days, which has excellent linux support in WINE.  At the moment it's looking like i'll only need to boot to windows for FFXIV, which so far isn't a big deal, since until the first couple content updtaes come out, there's really not much to do in that game yet (though it shows a ton of promise)
[05:15] <deborah> i dont know what some people see in games that make you earn a living in the game to the point you dont earn a living for reals.
[05:16] <SporkWitch> then one of my mates plays WoW and he's finally got a computer again, so i might drink myself into a coma and play that with him again (hate that game so much, but keeping in touch with friends, y'know how it is), and that runs well in linux as well from all reports
[05:16] <SporkWitch> dunno.  my first MMORPG was the pay-per-hour NWN game on AOL in 1991 (first graphical MMORPG ever released), with a whopping 50 simultaneous player capacity on the single physical server that ran it lol
[05:17] <deborah> WoW and halo. i havent gamed since FFX
[05:17] <dasKreech> Loved FFX
[05:17] <deborah> * lost a friend to WoW and halo. i havent gamed since FFX
[05:17] <SporkWitch> been playing them ever since, almost all the major ones, several of the not-so-big ones.  Managed a social life, full-time job (more than full-time, really, I'm military), and at times a girlfriend as well.
[05:17] <dasKreech> slooksterpsv: Technically going back to Gnome is still using the same OS :) Different environment though
[05:18] <slooksterpsv> hehe yeah, I like Gnome me and it are best buds :D
[05:18] <slooksterpsv> someone should port koffice to gtk, that'd be cool =D
[05:19] <dasKreech> If you run it under Gnome it takes on the Gtk look
[05:19] <SporkWitch> deborah: i feel your pain.  WoW, Halo, iProducts, Windows, 99% of what's on radio and tv, it's all the same: prefab trash that's managed to become popular in spite of overwhelming mediocrity at best, utter ****tacularness at worst.  And what's worse, other products try to mimic them, and make themselves worse as a result, or ruin potentially good games by trying to copy them instead of going for originality
[05:19] <slooksterpsv> not with mine, it takes the qt look
[05:19] <dasKreech> KDE and Qt does a lot of work to be compatible
[05:19] <slooksterpsv> lol unless there's an option I can change
[05:19] <dasKreech> ah I guess it depends on which Qt you have. You can turn on a gtk look in Qt
[05:20] <slooksterpsv> really?
[05:20] <deborah> gtk is gnome, and Qt is KDE?
[05:20] <SporkWitch> dunno, i've just always preferred KDE.  gives me more control, behaves better, i like the apps better, and it's usually looked better.  if nothing else, almost any feature in gnome, i've seen in KDE, while the reverse cannot be said
[05:20] <deborah> SporkWitch: i stopped watching tv a long ago--except for rare events like dr. who.
[05:21] <SporkWitch> one thing glaringly missing from gnome is borderless windows
[05:21] <SporkWitch> deborah: pretty much the same here.  i don't even have tv where i'm living now lol
[05:21] <SporkWitch> deborah: firefly, farscape, doctor who, babylon 5
[05:22] <slooksterpsv> I guess for what I use, gnome is perfect, where with KDE I struggle to find it, yet LXDE and XFCE I can find what I need quickly and effortlessly... odd, well LXDE I had to learn a few things, like setup xfce4-power-manager to get power management to work
[05:22] <SporkWitch> once those were canceled there wasn't much left worth watching, though Sanctuary is pretty neat, and i confess that I'm addicted to True Blood (though I just wait and buy  the season on Blu-Ray for 30-50 instead of paying 30-50/month for HBO lol)
[05:23] <SporkWitch> slooksterpsv: but you'd be doing the same with anything else, is my point.  any time you try to learn something new you have to find where everything is.  at least it's not like windows where they change things around for no reason.  I was ready to shoot someone the first time i tried doing tech support on a vista machine, absolutely nothing was in anythign even approaching a logical place.
[05:23] <deborah> SporkWitch: i like firefly/serentity, and dr. who. dont know much about babylon 5 or farscape, except that my friend who does know them gets made when i describe farscape as " it' s kind of like star trek..."   he gets speechless.
[05:23] <slooksterpsv> SporkWitch - yup and they even changed it in windows 7 haha
[05:23] <SporkWitch> slooksterpsv: not trying to talk you out of going gnome, merely saying, your primary complaint is that it's different, not that there's really anything wrong with it, y'know what i mean?
[05:24] <slooksterpsv> yeah, it's with me and using it lol
[05:24] <SporkWitch> deborah: i'm going to send you a file, please give it executable perms and run it ^_-
[05:24] <SporkWitch> don't ever call farscape star trek again lol
[05:25] <deborah> SporkWitch: please forgive, but i am very hesitant to exept files from people i dont know.
[05:25] <SporkWitch> deborah: seriously though, those two are probably the greatest pieces of modern science fiction since Star Trek: TNG, Star Wars, and the original Doctor Who
[05:25] <SporkWitch> deborah: lol
[05:25] <slooksterpsv> alrighty you guys I'mma try KDE/Kubuntu for a few days, and upgrade to 10.10
[05:26] <deborah> good choise, slooksterpsv!
[05:26] <deborah> *choice
[05:27] <SporkWitch> deborah: if you can get hold of a copy, pick up the complete series of Farscape, it's only 40 or 50 USD, and they just released the complete box set on DVD a few months back
[05:27] <SporkWitch> deborah: you'll be glad you did.  likewise for Babylon 5, though that one's harder and pricier.  I was able to track down all 5 seasons for US$200 as a set on half.com and the movie collection for another 40 or 50
[05:27] <SporkWitch> deborah: in both cases, though, worth every penny, some of the greatest sci-fi ever made.
[05:28] <deborah> SporkWitch: i will check it out.
[05:28]  * Diziara hasn't watched B5, but she can certainly second the recommendation about Farscape.
[05:29] <deborah> i have watched 2 seasons of Andromeda, and like it. it seems to be a mixed bag. some episodes are good, and some are mediocre.
[05:29] <SporkWitch> let's put it this way: nearly every episode of B5 was written or co-written by the creator (this is a guiness record for most episodes of a single series written by the same person).  there are clues in the PILOT that aren't explained or understood until the end of the first season, some not until the 3rd and 4th
[05:29] <SporkWitch> every character has a trap door written in, so that if the actor had to leave for some reason, it would make sense and not feel like a kludge or a shark-hop
[05:29] <deborah> SporkWitch: i like stories like that
[05:30] <SporkWitch> scripts were ALL written 6 episodes in advance, so there was plenty of time for changes and adjustments, because you knew what was coming
[05:30] <SporkWitch> no piece of science-fiction is more deserving of the word "art," in my opinion
[05:31] <deborah> SporkWitch: kind of like star trek ^__^
[05:31] <dasKreech> Funny thing is a lot of people seem to not like KDE's environment cause they feel that it has too many things to flip but love the apps cause they can get them to do exactly what they want
[05:31] <SporkWitch> farscape isn't on THAT  level, but it's stil a great, unique, original, and amazing series.  if you do get the box set of the series, make sure you also get the movie "peacekeeper wars" (the series finale ends with "to be continued" and every fan in the world rioting lol, that movie is the REAL finale)
[05:32] <SporkWitch> dasKreech: you're behind the times, this channel is now about Sci-Fi lol
[05:32] <dasKreech> I was noticing that :)
[05:32] <deborah> thanx! i will let my friend know. he drones on a bout it ending in a cliff hanger.
[05:32] <deborah> he also rants about primeval ending on a ciffhanger.
[05:33] <SporkWitch> deborah: oh yeah, i used to as well until a friend showed me that movie.  it picks up within minutes of the series finale and gives closure to everything.
[05:33] <SporkWitch> haven't seen that one
[05:33] <SporkWitch> dasKreech: if it bothers you we can take it elsewhere, but i figure as long as no one's asking questions / questions are getting answeed, it's kosher
[05:33] <SporkWitch> *answered
[05:33] <dasKreech> There is #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:33] <deborah> british sci-fi with a good set of characters, but goes wrong halfway through the first season.
[05:33] <dasKreech> You can geek out there
[05:34] <deborah> oops, sorry.
[05:34] <SporkWitch> dasKreech: np :)
[05:34]  * dasKreech taps slooksterpsv on the shoulder
[05:35] <dasKreech> #kubuntu-offtopic if you are joining them in the stars :)
[05:35] <SporkWitch> dasKreech is a party pooper :P (j/k)
[05:35]  * dasKreech plays a weak horn
[05:36] <slooksterpsv> dasKreech - ???
[05:37] <dasKreech> slooksterpsv: Just saying that if you were part of the SciFi chat it's moved :)
[05:48] <deborah> i just noticed. both the package server for kubuntu 9.10 is running dl all of the updates and patches AND the updater is running updating 9.10 to 10.04. should i turn one of them off and if so which one?
[05:49] <Slook> uhh... I have no clue, I'd leave it as is for now...
[05:49] <moetunes> same here- don't mess with 'em
[05:50] <deborah> k
[05:50] <deborah> 30 minutes to go for the updater to complete. bbiab.
[05:53] <moetunes> SporkWitch:  best not to do the afk thing in the ubuntu channels mate
[05:53] <SporkWitch> moetunes: really?
[05:53] <moetunes> yeh
[05:54] <moetunes> !away
[05:54] <SporkWitch> fair enough
[05:54] <SporkWitch> old habits die hard, heh
[05:54] <moetunes> :
[05:54] <moetunes> :]
[05:57] <Slook> !busy
[05:58] <Slook> how do you have ubottu tell others messages?
[05:58] <Slook> oops OT, sorry moving to OT
[05:59] <Slook> lol
[06:00] <moetunes> !lol | slook :]
[06:00] <moetunes> that's haow :]
[06:00] <moetunes> how even :]
[06:00] <Slook> haha ok
[06:03] <Guest77289> hi
[06:03] <Ludd> hi
[06:03] <Ludd> oi
[06:03] <Ludd> olá
[06:03] <FloodBotK2> Ludd: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:06] <moetunes> !pt | Ludd
[06:06] <Slook> hi Ludd
[06:06] <moetunes> I think he needs portuguese..?
[06:06] <Slook> haha Ludd please don't flood
[06:15] <Ludd> no
[06:15] <moetunes> ok
[06:15] <Ludd> do you speak portuguese?
[06:15] <sh1ft33_1> is anyone good with networking in here?
[06:15] <Ludd> moetunes
[06:15] <moetunes> Ludd:  I don't sorry
[06:16] <SporkWitch> sh1ft33_1: depends on the question.  network side yes, specific to linux, maybe lol
[06:17] <Ludd> but you recognize it
[06:17] <Ludd> ?
[06:17] <moetunes> Ludd:  I took a guess with the ola bit... :]
[06:18] <Slook> sh1ft33_1: What can we help ya with?
[06:18] <anirudh24seven> when's 10.10 kubuntu releasing ?
[06:19] <moetunes> soon...
[06:19] <Slook> ok question, when I click on links with Pidgin it opens konqueror, I don't like konqueror
[06:19] <moetunes> check your upgrade manager every now and again 'cause it will depend on the mirror you use
[06:20] <SporkWitch> anirudh24seven: Soon[TM]
[06:20] <Slook> oh so question is, should I remove konqueror or try to modify the default?
[06:20] <moetunes> Slook:  that wasn't a question :]
[06:20] <moetunes> ok
[06:20] <SporkWitch> (damn, alt-0153 doesn't work lol)
[06:21] <sh1ft33_1> Slook Many things lol
[06:21] <SporkWitch> anirudh24seven: seriously though, the current theory is 1010 GMT, since it's version 10.10 releasing on 10/10/10
 Many things
[06:21] <Ludd> hey moetunes i can't connect to server
[06:21] <anirudh24seven> SporkWitch: oh ok
[06:21] <Ludd> have you got a solution?
[06:21] <SporkWitch> anirudh24seven: note that i said "theory," not "deadline" lol
[06:21] <anirudh24seven> SporkWitch: lol
[06:21] <Slook> I fixed it lol that was easy lol
[06:21] <moetunes> Ludd:  which server and how?
[06:22] <Ludd> it tells I'm bot from brazil
[06:22] <Ludd> starlink
[06:22] <moetunes> Ludd:  are you using an open proxy or similar?
[06:23] <Ludd> there is no how i connect in there
[06:23] <moetunes> Ludd:  if not try a diff nick
[06:23] <Ludd> not that I know
[06:23] <Ludd> I tried many as possible
[06:24] <moetunes> k - what is the starlink server?
[06:24] <slooksterpsv> oops
[06:25] <Ludd> it says: pmse bot BRAZIL
[06:26] <Ludd> when i'm going to log in
[06:26] <moetunes> Ludd:  I don't know what you are trying to do so it is hard to help more
[06:29] <Ludd> if i'm using a proxy, is that impossible to connect?
[06:30] <moetunes> Ludd:  some places don't like open proxies - I don't know about the one you want to connect to
[06:33] <Ludd> I did connect now
[06:33] <moetunes> what made it work?
[06:35] <Ludd> http chat
[06:35] <moetunes> oh ok :]
[06:35] <Ludd> starlink option
[06:36] <jeawy> hello~
[06:36] <moetunes> jeawy:  hello
[06:39] <moetunes> jeawy:  it is quiet in here now - no need for a pm
[06:39] <moetunes> !pm
[06:45] <moetunes> jeawy:  you're going on /ignore mate
[06:46] <sp1408> hey
[06:46] <sp1408> what's the exact release time?
[06:46] <sp1408> for maverick?
[06:47] <moetunes> there is no "exact" time - soon
[06:47] <moetunes> !isitout
[06:57] <yevster> Anyone know what time 10.10 is supposed to drop?
[06:58] <moetunes> soon is the best you'll get - there is no set time
[06:58] <moetunes> !isitout
[06:59] <yevster> It's like waiting for Harry Potter all over again. ;-)
[06:59] <moetunes> heh
[07:10] <willstoney> hello
[07:11] <willstoney> does anyone know when today kubuntu will be released?
[07:14] <moetunes> soon is the best you'll get - there is no set time
[07:14] <moetunes> !isitout
[07:17] <willstoney> thanks guys ill wait till tomorrow night then
[07:18] <moetunes> :]
[07:28] <cato37> hello room. i was on earlier as deborah. that laptop didnt upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04. when the computer boots the AppArmor profiles fail to load and the screen freezes at the login.
[07:30] <moetunes> I wouldn't know how to fix that sorry... - if noone else does now ask again in a bit cato37 :]
[07:30] <cato37> i am going ahead with my original plan to do a clean install
[07:30] <moetunes> luck :]
[07:31] <cato37> my question is, how do i do that so that it only installs over kubuntu and not vista?
[07:32] <moetunes> during install you will get the option to set a partition - make sure  you pick the right one - the first one will be vista if it was installed first
[07:33] <cato37> yes, vista was installed first
[07:34] <moetunes> the partitioner will list the partitions - the ntfs one is vista - the ext3/4 one is the kubuntu install - use that one
[07:39] <sp1408> waiting eagerly for it
[07:40] <moetunes> !isitout
[07:42] <cato37> ok. the upgrade disk ready. in Prepare partititons, i have a sda that is all blank. a fat 16 @ size: 49mb, used 33mb
[07:43] <moetunes> cato37:  it doesn't seem vista is listed in there then...?
[07:43] <cato37> a sda2 that is ntfs, a sda5 that is swap, a sda6 ext3, and a sda 7 that is ext3.
[07:43] <cato37> sorry. i hit the enter key before i had typed it all
[07:44] <moetunes> cato37:  sda isn't all blank then - it has sda2 etc - scared me then
[07:44] <geekosopher> is it out?
[07:44] <moetunes> !isitout
[07:44] <cato37> oh, i see. the sda is the header (folder name)
[07:45] <moetunes> cato37:  I guess you had sda6 for / and sda7 for home then?
[07:45] <cato37> for if you want to partition the whole disk
[07:45] <geekosopher> :D I like teasing ubottu on this day
[07:45] <cato37> i think one of them is the failed upgrade.
[07:45] <cato37> they are about equal in size.
[07:46] <cato37> my bad. sda6 is 10 gigs and sda7 is 28 gigs
[07:46] <moetunes> it is up to you to decide but I like a separate /home so on fresh installs my data is still there
[07:47] <cato37> i put all my data on my thumbdrive, so there is no loss with the clean install.
[07:47] <moetunes> you can use sda6 for / and sda7 for /home - if you don't format sda7 then your data "may" still be there
[07:48] <cato37> i just want to do it right this time. ^__^
[07:49] <cato37> okay. so on linux, sda6 would be a home file for root, and sda7 would be for progam files?
[07:50] <moetunes> nope
[07:51] <moetunes> home is diff to root
[07:51] <cato37> oh.
[07:51] <moetunes> sdag in the partitioner gets mounted as /
[07:51] <moetunes> sda7 gets mounted as /home
[07:51] <moetunes> sda6 in the partitioner gets mounted as / - sorry
[07:52] <moetunes> and / = root
[07:53] <moetunes> root is the filesystem and /home is where user files and configs are
[07:53] <cato37> okay. dont mess fat16, ntfs, or swap. set sda6 as / and sda7 as /home.
[07:53] <moetunes> yep
[07:54] <cato37> and it is okay for home to be three sizes larger than / ?
[07:54] <cato37> *three times larger
[07:55] <moetunes> well the filesystem needs only about 5gb at the start - but your home folder can be filled with lots - most use 10gb for / and all the rest for /home
[07:56] <cato37> good. that is what it is set at. should i switch to the ext4 journaling file system for both of them?
[07:57] <cato37> they are now at ext3 sys.
[07:58] <moetunes> I prefer ext4 but it is your choice there
[07:59] <moetunes> ext3 is journalled too - ext4 has extents which is a little bit of extra space for each file to avoid fragmentation
[07:59] <cato37> i am not that technical, and probably wont ever be discussing the merits or flaws of either. if ext4 if the next level, then i should go to it.
[08:00] <moetunes> I agree :]
[08:01] <cato37> do i want to change the swap file to ext4 also?
[08:01] <moetunes> swap has it's own filesytem - it is always   swap
[08:02] <cato37> nvrmnd. i dont have that option.
[08:02] <moetunes> you don't get a choice for it once it is selected as swap
[08:06] <cato37> i can never remember if i need my name in small and the computer name in all caps, or does it matter?
[08:08] <moetunes> doesn't matter
[08:08] <moetunes> but once you pick caps or not you're gonna have to keep using 'em
[08:09] <cato37> okay. i was onced asked to change the computer name because the network couldnt handle it.
[08:09] <moetunes> seems strange but ok
[08:11] <cato37> it had to be all small or something.
[08:12] <moetunes> I always use all small letters
[08:13] <cato37> my next option is to "install boot loader" and the device location /dev/sda as it was at first. will this overwrite my first bootloader to the point of loosing the ability to load vista?
[08:14] <moetunes> I don't use any windows but it "should" find the vista install and add it to the boot options
[08:15] <moetunes> if o the offchance there is a problem there is stuff on the forums for fixing it
[08:15] <moetunes> *on
[08:16] <cato37> keen. thanx all. thank you moetunes. you are all great. this is so much easier than my hassles with vista tech support.
[08:17] <moetunes> heh yw :]
[08:21] <cato37> now if i can just figure out how to keep the coffee holder from autotically closing back into the computer. ^__^
[08:21] <cato37> *automatically
[08:21] <moetunes> hehe
[08:22] <moetunes> it "should" stay open
[08:34] <cato37> woot! everything seems to be working.
[08:35] <moetunes> :]
[08:41] <cato37> i am giving cato his computer back. thank you all, again. *deborah*
[08:41] <moetunes> bye
[08:44] <hugo_nl> good morning guys -- all waiting for release? :P
[08:45] <moetunes> seems alot are
[08:47] <hugo_nl> yeh here as well... hoping that the most recent kernel included solves some issues on a toshiba laptop powersaving- and temperature wise...
[08:48] <twister> hello everyone...
[08:48] <moetunes> you should ask in #ubuntu+1 about that
[08:52] <hugo_nl> ah I have good feeling about the latest kernel, been tinkering with that on my own laptop {toshiba is gf's}
[08:53] <hugo_nl> PS, what moment today is it going live? Once everybody including Honolulu is on 10/10 or, simply when responsible folks wake up? :D
[08:54] <moetunes> soon is the best you'll get - there is no set time
[08:54] <moetunes> !isitout
[08:54] <hugo_nl> Haha okay, "soon" is good enough for me  -- I'm used to things like "..when it's ready..." ;)
[08:54] <hugo_nl> handy little bot there :D
[09:04] <Unksi> hugo_nl: atleast with *buntu soon doesnt mean "maybe in 2-3 years or so" :D
[09:05] <hugo_nl> hehe yeh like a certain company in redmond lol
[09:12] <Research> Hi all kubuntu community.
[09:24] <dmatt> Research: you started so nice... but where's the rest of the toast?
[09:24] <Tm_T> dmatt: ?
[09:25] <dmatt> Tm_T: i am little bit in partying mode now... Research started tio say st.
[09:25] <dmatt> but did not finish
[09:27] <Tm_T> dmatt: ah, partying is ongoing in #ubuntu-release-party if you're looking more of it (:
[09:28] <dmatt> Tm_T: I am there already, but the best time is in #ubuntu-trivia
[09:29] <anirudh> whats the best laptop that doesnt come bundled with win7?
[09:30] <dmatt> anirudh: lots of them are sold without win7, rest is according to your preferences and needs
[09:31] <anirudh> brand, and considering i am in india. not many choices here
[09:37] <dmatt> anirudh: it always buy HP, my friends buy Lenovo, my wife has MSI ... you have to google notebooks which you like and choose from them
[09:37] <dmatt> anirudh: we even do not know what is available in your country
[09:38] <anirudh> weve got hp dell sony etc. most of the brands. even msi..
[09:39] <Scherenhaenden> hey everbody
[09:40] <anirudh> dmatt: ill continue my search! :)
[09:40] <dmatt> !best|anirudh
[09:40] <dmatt> the same applies to notebooks
[09:40] <Scherenhaenden> hi i wanna reinstall my kubuntu cuz im having troubles with it
[09:41] <Scherenhaenden> how could i save all my emails from kmail?
[09:42] <dmatt> Scherenhaenden: now that is something i would like to know too
[09:42] <dmatt> i was just lazy to google it
[09:43] <Scherenhaenden> no... i found them
[09:43] <Scherenhaenden> but here
[09:43] <Scherenhaenden>  $HOME/.kde/share/apps/kmail
[09:43] <Scherenhaenden> but how could i know if they are all inside this out?
[09:45] <dmatt> actually i have dual boot with old and new kubuntu so I can test it
[09:52] <dmatt> Scherenhaenden: i copied the kmail folder but inbox is not visible, because the account is not created
[09:54] <dmatt> but I see some option "archive", may be it is better to export all emails and import them to new installation
[10:03] <Scherenhaenden> dmatt: sorry... i have a cat n he was kidding me... for that reason i was not more here
[10:03] <Scherenhaenden> dmatt: i think i will copie home... to take everything n than neuinstall
[10:03] <Scherenhaenden> new*
[10:05] <dmatt> Scherenhaenden: you should definitely backup home, and than you can try upgrade :) it saves a lot of work
[10:05] <Scherenhaenden> upgrade?
[10:06] <Scherenhaenden> i have kubuntu 10.10
[10:07] <TopGear> hi
[10:07] <Guest60403> ahhhh
[10:08] <TopGear> How do I upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10RC, without fresh install/
[10:08] <TopGear> becouse 10.04's got the drivers for my graphics card, ans 10.10 not.
[10:09] <n8w> whats goin on with 10.10?the banner says 1 day left
[10:09] <n8w> TopGear:  go the the webpage n read the "how to"
[10:10] <Guest60403> k
[10:10] <Scherenhaenden> since i have kubuntu 9.10 i having problems with my sound i dont know why
[10:10] <Scherenhaenden> i was upgrading to repair n nothing
[10:10] <Scherenhaenden> n8w: i was asking me why is yet the banner with 1 days left
[10:11] <Scherenhaenden> n way is not complete the installation from kubuntu 10.10
[10:12] <n8w> Scherenhaenden:  well at 0:38 last night, it said 0 days left
[10:12] <Scherenhaenden> :S
[10:13] <Riddell> topicdiff Release party in #ubuntu-release-party
[10:15] <n8w> Riddell:  put the new version into the repo n then we can celebrate:D
[10:15] <n8w> Riddell:  otherwise ive got nothin to celebrate;)
[10:16] <Research> Congratulations to all :)
[10:18] <Scherenhaenden> 163 gigs... from home/edward folder... that funny is that in that folder... is not much...
[10:28] <Scherenhaenden> how could i so a list of the installed programms on my pc?
[10:28] <moetunes> dpkg -l
[10:29] <Scherenhaenden> ohhh right
[10:29] <Scherenhaenden> thanks
[10:29] <Scherenhaenden> i have a problem
[10:30] <Scherenhaenden> is to big for my konsole
[10:30] <Scherenhaenden> i cant see all
[10:30] <Scherenhaenden> :S
[10:30] <Scherenhaenden> it be lost a part of thme
[10:30] <moetunes> dpkg -l | less
[10:30] <Scherenhaenden> thanks
[10:30] <Scherenhaenden> XD
[10:46] <happyhessian> is there anyone here who can help me with a display problem on upgrade from kubuntu 10.04 to 10.10? xorg.conf seems right and xorg is running according to top but the screen is totally black.  tty terminals work fine.
[10:47] <moetunes> you can read the X log to find out what happened
[10:49] <happyhessian> moetunes: i don't see anything that looks wrong in /var/log/Xorg.0.log should i pastebin it?
[10:51] <bruno666> happyhessian: is plasma-desktop running?
[10:51] <happyhessian> well i pastebinned it http://pastebin.com/khr00axD
[10:51] <happyhessian> ummm, i don't know.  i don't see anything at all and since it's at the log-on screen i don't think plasma has loaded yet.  i'll check now.
[10:52] <happyhessian> is there a way to scroll in top?
[10:56] <bruno666> Could you switch back to graphic mode (Alt+Ctrl+F7) and try to launch krunner with Alt+F2
[10:57] <happyhessian> bruno666: does krunner open on the login screen? i've never tried.  i pressed alt+f2 on my black screen, is there a command you recommend trying--assuming it's working?
[10:58] <happyhessian> bruno666: it's really weird because it's behaving as if it doesn't know that my monitor is plugged in to the pci card but it explicitly recognizes it on line 132 of the log file.
[10:59] <bruno666> Ok, I thought that you had a balck screen after login in
[10:59] <moetunes> line 145 suggests to me thar vidia driver doesn't know the monitors syncs
[10:59] <moetunes> *that
[11:02] <happyhessian> moetunes: that's interesting.  is there an option in xorg.conf that i can add to force it?
[11:02] <moetunes> you could add the monitors syncs if you can find them
[11:03] <moetunes> !xrandr
[11:03] <moetunes> will show you how ^^
[11:03] <happyhessian> i only have one screen, it's just that i'm using a pci gpu, not the on-board one.
[11:04] <moetunes> I'll get the entries but you need to get the numbers
[11:05] <bruno666> I didn't see anything weong in xorg log
[11:05] <bruno666> happyhessian: did you try to restart kdm from tty?
[11:05] <bruno666> sudo restart kdm
[11:06] <happyhessian> just did it.  my tty screen just went totally black.
[11:08] <moetunes> in the Monitor section - HorizSync 31 - 81   VertRefresh 56 - 75   but you need the right numbers for your monitor
[11:08] <moetunes> try the next tty
[11:09] <moetunes> there's been a few ppl lately with this issue
[11:09] <happyhessian> moetunes: i'm sorry i don't understand.  try what? restarting kdm? or just open another terminal to get my monitor's information.
[11:10] <happyhessian> btw my xorg.conf is here http://pastebin.com/4ZySbvBG
[11:10] <moetunes> are you in a gui terminal or tty? - you said the tty went blank so try tthe next one - ctrl+alt+F3   or whatever
[11:11] <moetunes> it has the sync and refresh rate so change those numbers
[11:11] <moetunes> to what is suitable
[11:12] <happyhessian> how can i determine what's suitable?
[11:13] <moetunes> there might be sticker on the back
[11:13] <moetunes> or a manual or google the monitor
[11:14] <moetunes> I think 28-31 is way to short for the sync
[11:14] <Riddell> ***  it's 10:10:10 on 10/10/10
[11:14] <Riddell> *** http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
[11:14] <moetunes> as a guess up that to 28-80
[11:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: I wonder if we should update the topic?
[11:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think we should
[11:16] <Scherenhaenden> the cd torrent link for kubuntu 10.0 is broken
[11:17] <Misterio> Kubuntu 10.10 released?
[11:17] <Misterio> RC or final version?
[11:18] <apachelogger> Misterio: final
[11:18] <apachelogger> Scherenhaenden: where is that?
[11:18] <Scherenhaenden> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[11:18] <apachelogger> ah, true
[11:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/maverick/desktop/ not populated with final yet
[11:18] <apachelogger> Scherenhaenden: thanks
[11:19] <Misterio> apachelogger: I am thinking about staying on LTS
[11:19] <Scherenhaenden> apachelogger: will u fix it?
[11:19] <happyhessian> moetunes: google thinks 31-84 and 56-72 are the right numbers.  now i need to restart x.  what's the command again?
[11:19] <Scherenhaenden> x please restart XD
[11:20] <moetunes> happyhessian:  I would just do   startx
[11:21] <happyhessian> i get this fatal server error, whatever i'll just reboot.
[11:22] <apachelogger> Scherenhaenden: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.10/release/ you can use the torrent file from here for the time being
[11:22] <Scherenhaenden> mm ok... is the final too?
[11:23] <Scherenhaenden> there are just dvds
[11:23] <apachelogger> oh
[11:23] <apachelogger> Scherenhaenden: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/10.10/ there you go
[11:23] <_kroson_> Scherenhaenden: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/maverick/desktop/kubuntu-10.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[11:24] <moetunes> happyhessian:  I would check the log to see what the error was
[11:24] <_kroson_> if you want 64-bit torrent
[11:24] <Scherenhaenden> _kroson_: thanks...
[11:24] <Scherenhaenden> apachelogger: thanks
[11:24] <geekosopher> !isitout
[11:24] <_kroson_> geekosopher: it is
[11:25] <geekosopher> yes... ubottu is gettting old
[11:25] <happyhessian> i don't see anything out of the ordinary but it's still not selecting a mode.  here's the pastebinhttp://pastebin.com/2PwnCFbw
[11:25] <Scherenhaenden> _kroson_: that is not what im looking for
[11:25] <Scherenhaenden> that is from september
[11:25] <_kroson_> Scherenhaenden: man it isnt, but wait
[11:25] <_kroson_> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[11:25] <_kroson_> just go here
[11:26] <Scherenhaenden> _kroson_: there is not there
[11:26] <Scherenhaenden> just dvds
[11:26] <Scherenhaenden> :S
[11:27] <Scherenhaenden> the page has only the adress to dvds... for cds is the old version from september
[11:28] <_kroson_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/maverick/
[11:28] <_kroson_> this is not september, its today's
[11:28] <moetunes> happyhessian:  yep it looks the same as the first log - seen lines 161-163?
[11:30] <happyhessian> moetunes: yea, that's my on-board gpu.  but lines 137-144 show my real monitor--and it's recognized.
[11:30] <Scherenhaenden>  http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/maverick/desktop/kubuntu-10.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[11:30] <Scherenhaenden> :S
[11:30] <moetunes> happyhessian:  then X is trying to show the desktop from the onboard it seems
[11:31] <Scherenhaenden> trying to install kubuntu 10.10 today will be so hard like trying to install freebsd
[11:32] <happyhessian> moetunes: even though the correct device is pointed to in xorg.conf and discovered as seen in the log?
[11:32] <moetunes> happyhessian:  tried disabling the onboard in the bios?
[11:33] <moetunes> happyhessian:  I know what you mean but since the obvious isn't working it's time to try something less obvious...
[11:33] <happyhessian> nope, didn't know i could.
[11:34] <Scherenhaenden> is ther
[11:34] <Scherenhaenden> XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[11:39] <apachelogger> Scherenhaenden: just use releases.ubuntu.com, I recon torrent.ubuntu.com only grabs the torrent files every once in a while from releases.ubuntu.com
[11:39] <moetunes> happyhessian:  I would also give a mode in the screen section in xorg.conf
[11:39] <Scherenhaenden> apachelogger: now is there
[11:39] <Scherenhaenden> thanks
[11:39] <Scherenhaenden> im downloading the version from today
[11:40] <apachelogger> k
[11:40] <Scherenhaenden> great, isnt it?
[11:40] <happyhessian> moetunes:would that be called "on-chip vga" or is that something else.  it seems like the closest thing in my bios but it's really a cpu option, not an integrated peripherals option.
[11:40] <moetunes> happyhessian:  yep that sounds like it
[11:41] <happyhessian> ok, let's see what we've got
[11:42] <happyhessian> moetunes: by mode, you mean a line with resolutions on it, like: Modes "1680x1050" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[11:42] <moetunes> happyhessian:  yep
[11:43] <moetunes> happyhessian:  under Depth 24
[11:43] <happyhessian> ok, i'll try it
[11:47] <happyhessian> moetunes: still nothing.  new x log http://pastebin.com/WVJdKKsD
[11:47] <moetunes> k
[11:48] <happyhessian> maybe i should just give up and try to switch drivers--even though i really would rather be using the nvidia ddriver...
[11:48] <moetunes> happyhessian:  as a check is there anything nvidia in the system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" ?
[11:49] <happyhessian> moetunes: nope
[11:50] <moetunes> happyhessian:  at least it picks the mode... and the log is way shorter - anything on the hooked up tv ?
[11:51] <happyhessian> there is no hooked up TV, i'm not sure what that's doing there.
[11:52] <happyhessian> moetunes: what is NV-GLX? is that part of the proprietary nvidia driver or is it part of the nv driver?
[11:52] <moetunes> happyhessian:  my bad - it doesn't give a brand so it is just setting the port - does   xrandr -q   return anything?
[11:52] <happyhessian> i don't think i have nv installed--i certainly didn't have it installed before i upgraded from 10.04
[11:53] <happyhessian> returns "Can't open display"
[11:53] <moetunes> happyhessian:  it is nvidias glx - I guess it is just a shortened version for that
[11:54] <moetunes> what's the return from   startx   ?
[11:54] <happyhessian> what's the best way to pastebin stdout?
[11:55] <moetunes> !pastebinit
[11:56] <crizna> hi
[11:56] <crizna>
[11:56] <crizna>
[11:56] <moetunes> crizna:  hello
[11:59] <happyhessian> moetunes: maybe i don't know how to use pipe correctly... startx | pastebinit ??
[12:00] <happyhessian> basically i get a fatal server error, server is already acritve for display 0.  then invaled mit-magic-cookie-1 keygiving up.
[12:00] <moetunes> happyhessian:  startx | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[12:01] <moetunes> so server is active but not found with xrandr -q  ?
[12:01] <moetunes> you could try   sudo service kdm restart
[12:02] <moetunes> happyhessian:  ^^
[12:04] <happyhessian> well that just makes the screen go dead
[12:05] <moetunes> yep ok - there's a bug with the nvidia driver it seems - they call it a performance regression... - you might have to go to the nv or nouveau driver
[12:06] <happyhessian> the weird thing about this whole problem is that xorg is running and using a nice chunk of memory according to top but the screen is totally black
[12:06] <happyhessian> ok, so apt-get remove nvidia-current ?
[12:07] <moetunes> if that was what you installed yep
[12:07] <moetunes> and rename xorg.conf so X sets itself up
[12:09] <happyhessian> not install a different one, just whatever is built-in?
[12:09] <moetunes> I think the nv one is built in but I am not sure
[12:10] <moetunes> remove the nvidia one and do   pkill xorg  and then try   startx again
[12:10] <moetunes> remove the nvidia one and do   pkill xorg  and then try   startx   again
[12:11] <happyhessian> there's no package called anything like nv so let's assume it is.  i just restarted, i'll try that next time
[12:11] <moetunes> k
[12:11] <happyhessian> i'm probably going to have to give it the pci address to go to anyway now
[12:11] <moetunes> with the onboard disabled it should find it
[12:12] <moetunes> *the pci-e one
[12:12] <happyhessian> good call, it's already better now, i'm getting the fancy boot-up screen and not the low-res text graphic one
[12:13] <moetunes> woot!
[12:13] <happyhessian> but it's not booting up--how do i enable verbose boot up?
[12:13] <moetunes> remove splash from the kernel line
[12:14] <moetunes> you can do it from grub - hit e to edit the selected kernel
[12:15] <happyhessian> how do i get grub to stop and take orders? it marches right past my "e" bashing
[12:16] <moetunes> use the down arrow first to stop the countdown maybe
[12:18] <tsimpson> press shift or escape during grub loading
[12:22] <happyhessian> i can't get grub to stop but the computer booted up far enough to start the ssh server so i can open terminals on it to see what's going on.  my xlog is now http://pastebin.com/8U0EdcAZ
[12:23] <happyhessian> moetunes: yay! errors!
[12:23] <moetunes> wwot!
[12:23] <happyhessian> line 104 no drivers found
[12:23] <moetunes> you didn't rename the xorg.conf
[12:23] <moetunes> line 17
[12:23] <happyhessian> you're right, i misunderstood you.
[12:24] <moetunes> just rename it xorg.conf.nvidia or something
[12:24] <happyhessian> yea, i copied it but somehow i thought it would automatically make a new one without nvidia.  :&
[12:25] <moetunes> heh
[12:25] <happyhessian> moetunes: score! login shows up, works, and gives me...
[12:25] <happyhessian> ***waiting***
[12:26] <happyhessian> my desktop!
[12:26] <moetunes> double woot!
[12:26] <moetunes> a good size resolution?
[12:26] <happyhessian> yea, it looks like full 1680x1050
[12:27] <happyhessian> glxgears look alright
[12:27] <moetunes> you'll have to check how it goes with effects excetera
[12:27] <moetunes> great!
[12:28] <happyhessian> thanks moetunes.  i guess i'll try to switch back to nvidia later.  do you know the specific bug i'm looking for so that i can look for it to be resolved?
[12:28] <moetunes> happyhessian:  it was the bright lads on #archlinux that pointed it out - they've gone to the beta driver from nvidia
[12:29] <moetunes> happyhessian:  I would check the forums
[12:30] <happyhessian> ok, if urbanterror works with the default driver, then i've got all i need B)
[12:30] <happyhessian> moetunes: thanks a million!
[12:31] <moetunes> happy to help :]
[12:31] <JeroenDeDauw> What is the difference between the CD and the DVD @ http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download ?
[12:32] <moetunes> the dvd has more on it ?
[12:32] <Tm_T> DVD has more languages etc
[12:33] <tsimpson> the DVD has both the Desktop and Alternate installer, as well as more packages and language packs on it
[12:33] <moetunes> Do not be confused, even though DVDs can hold far more data than the typical Kubuntu CD, the main benefit of the DVD downloads is to get access to all of the available language packs. Most people will be fine with the standard CD  - from that page
[12:33] <tsimpson> there is no difference in the installed system from the CD or the DVD though
[12:34] <JeroenDeDauw> ok, thanks :)
[12:39] <JeroenDeDauw> I have a Kubuntu installed from wubi on one machine, and I don't have enough disk space there. What's the best approach of converting the .disk file I now have on an NTFS partition into an EXT partition?
[12:40] <moetunes> I don't think you can -
[12:40] <moetunes> !wubi
[12:41] <JeroenDeDauw> Meh... I'd really hate to do a new install on that machine, as I then have to set up my whole working environment again :(
[12:41] <moetunes> there is
[12:41] <moetunes> !clone
[12:42] <moetunes> takes most of the work out
[12:42] <moetunes> of the rebuild
[12:43] <JeroenDeDauw> moetunes: Thanks - I'll give that a try :)
[12:43] <moetunes> luck :]
[12:57] <Buutti> hiya
[12:57] <moetunes> hello
[12:57] <JeroenDeDauw> Will the 10.10 release show up as an update in "software updates" of my Kubuntu install?
[12:57] <Tm_T> hi PhilRod
[12:58] <moetunes> JeroenDeDauw:  it's released so it is up to the mirror you use
[12:58] <PhilRod> hey Tm_T, how's it going?
[12:58] <JeroenDeDauw> moetunes: Ok, I'll just wait and see what happens then.
[12:58] <Tm_T> PhilRod: enjoying the buzz of new release (:
[12:59] <PhilRod> ooh awesome. Will have to upgrade (I'm still on karmic, so it'll have to be a clean install)
[13:21] <Buutti> I had 10.10RC and now 10.10 is officially out, are there any updated packages at all?
[13:22] <Buutti> The software updates window doesn't give me any updates
[13:23] <Torch> Buutti: i have no details in this particular case, but the whole sense of an RC is that nothing changes for the release... so it wouldn't be too surprising if there were no upadates
[13:23] <Buutti> ah, ok :)
[13:23] <Buutti> thanks
[13:24] <Buutti> usually they upgrade at least some tiny bit but i guess there just ain't any updates now :)
[13:28] <Buutti> Anyone have any great ideas how to get my mobile phone to be used as a modem via bluetooth?
[13:30] <volodya> Buutti: regretfully, I don't think bluedevil can do this right now. I've heard bluetooth networking is being worked on as we speak.
[13:30] <Buutti> good to know
[13:30] <volodya> and if you're on 10.04, which is using kbluetooth, it's even worse than that
[13:31] <Buutti> like I said earlier, 10.10RC
[13:31] <thirsty> does anybody know if 10.10 64 bit will install on a netbook? previous versions of ubuntu only supported 32bit for netbooks.  I'm currently downloaing the 64-bit version, but I'm not sure if it will install, and previous version had different images for a netbook install
[13:32] <tsimpson> is your netbook 64bit?
[13:32] <tsimpson> most I've seen are 32bit
[13:34] <thirsty> it's an n450
[13:35] <thirsty> I thought it was
[13:36] <thirsty> yeah I'm pretty sure the n450 supports 64bit
[13:36] <thirsty> I guess I'm asking because previous versions had a different image and it was only available in 32bit
[13:36] <Buutti> volodya, any idea when the bt networking is going to be available?
[13:37] <tsimpson> thirsty: looks like only 32bit installs are supported, but you likely don't need a 64bit OS anyway
[13:37] <volodya> Buutti: nope. See http://www.afiestas.org/solid-sprint-day-1-go/
[13:37] <volodya> I am not 100% what is being worked on; in particular I suspect my WM phone might be a bit hard to use for tethering
[13:38] <thirsty> thank tsimpson, may I ask where you got the information? what website/forum?  I just want to read up on it
[13:38] <cato37> hello. i just did a clean install of 10.04 from 9.10. the wireless network connector worked on 9.10  but it isnt working on 10.04. it shows enabled, but it doesn t pick up anything. dead air. what can i do?
[13:39] <Buutti> volodya, thanks
[13:39] <tsimpson> thirsty: I just looked for the netbook install ISOs and found only 32bit versions
[13:42] <BluesKaj> howdy
[13:44] <cato37> hello. i just did a clean install of 10.04 from 9.10. the wireless network connector worked on 9.10 but it isnt working on 10.04. it shows enabled, but it doesn t pick up anything. dead air. what can i do?
[13:45] <Buutti> cato37, you don't happen to have a separate switch to turn the wlan on and off?
[13:47] <cato37> Buutti: no, there is no outside switch. it doesnt respond to the cable connection either.
[13:48] <Buutti> cato37, do you have a connection added in network management settings -> network connections -> wireless?
[13:54] <cato37> Buutti: sorry. i had to switch to wireless on this laptop.
[13:54] <cato37> Buutti: yes, the network man agement settings are on
[13:55] <Buutti> cato37, what's the wlan chip model?
[13:56] <cato37> Buutti: sorry, i meant to type that hte network management settings are blank.
[13:56] <smooph> hey I have a problem with pidgin I can't add plugins
[13:57] <cato37> Buutti: i cant find a settings button
[13:57] <Buutti> ah
[13:58] <smooph> I use Linux and was trying to but the file *.so into the folder user/.purple/plugins/ is that wrong ?
[13:58] <cato37> Buutti: no, because i did a fresh intall. everything is blank.
[13:59] <Buutti> cato37, in the network connections window, and more specifically in the wireless tab, hit "add" and type in the details of your wlan?
[14:04] <cato37> i did that. but there is nothing there.
[14:05] <cato37> Buutti: i typed in the details but it deosnt pick up anything
[14:05] <Buutti> weird
[14:06] <Buutti> i had 10.04 clean install and my wlan worked like a charm from the beginning
[14:07] <cato37> this one isnt playing nice. i can connect with the cable to the router, and i get a connection. and the wifi works on the vista side.
[14:07] <Buutti> what driver do you have installed for the wlan?
[14:08] <cato37> Buutti: how do i check to see?
[14:09] <cato37> aha. proprietary drivers!
[14:10] <_kroson_> cato37: if its broadcom then you need to install the restricted driver i think
[14:11] <cato37> i have a choice between Broadcom b43 and Broadcom STA.
[14:11] <Buutti> or you could try the madwifi driver :P
[14:12] <_kroson_> cato37: b43, which is opensource
[14:12] <_kroson_> sta is proprietary
[14:12] <cato37> k. i have activated b43
[14:13] <Buutti> ah, that's not even available to broadcom chips :P
[14:13] <AlexDAK> can you please say, i have a netbook with low resolution, and on some windows can't see ok button because it's below the screen. How to solve this?
[14:14] <Buutti> cato37, http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/7.10/network/C/connect-wifi.html
[14:14] <James147> AlexDAK: alt + left drag the window, that will allot you to move it
[14:14] <anthony> server irc.explosionirc.net
[14:14] <James147> allow ^^
[14:17] <cato37> Buutti: thanx for the url. i will give it a go.
[14:17] <Buutti> even though it's and old article, i think that still applies to broadcom chips more or less
[14:27] <kele_> ciao
[14:29] <slooksterpsv> wow moetunes you're still here
[14:29] <moetunes> nope :]
[14:30] <slooksterpsv> lol
[14:30] <moetunes> heh
[14:31] <phoenix_> how to enable lfe channel in pulse audio
[14:31] <cato37> thanx, buuti. using the fwcutter utility worked. that laptop now can connect with wifi.
[14:32] <cato37> have a good morning all.
[14:32] <cato37> Buutti: thanx again.
[14:32] <Buutti> you're welcome :)
[14:37] <n8w> ive got 10.10 RC but the kpackagekit doesnt give me any option to upgrade to the final version
[14:38] <James147> n8w: if you upgrade then you will be on the file version
[14:38] <James147> n8w: ^^ the normal upgrades that is
[14:38] <n8w> James147:  well RC is not the final version is it?
[14:38] <James147> s/file/final
[14:40] <James147> n8w: No, but when you upgrade the pacakages you will be on final... there is no spical process to upgrade from RC to final
[14:40] <n8w> James147:  see n thats the prob...it doesnt show any updates
[14:41] <James147> n8w: run this in ternimal: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[14:41] <Buutti> n8w, same here, no upgraded packages at all
[14:43] <n8w> James147:  hmm smth must b wrong with the kpackage
[14:43] <n8w> James147:  199 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[15:25] <JeroenDeDauw> This migt be a bit oftopic here, but how do I wipe all disks of my machine from command line?
[15:29] <moetunes> it's not something I've done but you could try   dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda*
[15:35] <Kottizen> HELLO.
[15:35] <Kottizen> Thank you all for this amazing, wonderful and lovely release!
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> :)
[15:36] <Kottizen> Btw.
[15:36] <Kottizen> Perfect gift aswell - it's my birthday today.
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> Happy birthday
[15:36] <Kottizen> Thank you :)
[15:37] <BluesKaj> happy birthday , Kottizen :)
[15:43] <phoenix_> Kottizen: happy birthday :)
[15:52] <Kottizen> phoenix_, BluesKaj: thanks :)
[15:56] <gaelfx> when will the netbook iso be available?
[15:56] <James147> gaelfx: maverick wont ahve a netbook iso, it has been intergrated into the desktop one
[15:57] <James147> gaelfx: the installer will attempt to detect which one you want to run and you will be able to change it after install
[15:57] <gaelfx> ah, spiffy :D
[15:57] <gaelfx> I was wondering why they hadn't done that before
[15:58] <gaelfx> perhaps I ought to actually read the news next time instead of whining
[16:00] <m_tadeu> hi...how do I use the message indicator plasmoid? can't find any config in kopete or kmail
[16:00] <russlar> m_tadeu: it's pretty auto
[16:00] <russlar> m_tadeu: there shouldn't be any config involved. what are you trying to do?
[16:01] <m_tadeu> russlar: but mails are not notified by it
[16:01] <russlar> m_tadeu: in kmail prefs, there should be an area that lets you set how you are notified when you get mail
[16:01] <russlar> m_tadeu: what sound it plays, etc.
[16:02] <russlar> m_tadeu: look for an option labeled something like "marm in taskbar"
[16:02] <russlar> m_tadeu: though, I could be making that up. I haven't used kamil in a while. That;s how it's controlled in kopete, anyway
[16:03] <m_tadeu> russlar: oki...thx a lot ;)
[16:03] <russlar> m_tadeu: ok, so in kopete, go Settings/COnfigure Notifications
[16:04] <russlar> m_tadeu: show message in a popup is the option that will use the nitification area
[16:04] <russlar> m_tadeu: at least it did in KDE 4.4
[16:07] <russlar> quiet for a release day
[16:08] <russlar> wonder how #ubuntu is faring
[16:08] <mel_> I'm running Kubuntu 10.10 live.. and have installed gparted for a patition change.. but when starting gparted.. it asks for a root pass.. what pass do I enter?? running a live boot session..?
[16:08] <Torch> mel_: use kde partition manager ;-)
[16:09] <moetunes> mel_:  leave it blank and hit enter
[16:09] <mel_> is that installed by default?
[16:09] <ubuntu_> hi all  i am  cant instaled 10.10 cause when near fnish  instalted  start grub instilatin have issues sent msg charsing instilation  and he said look var syslog and var/log partman  what is wrong
[16:10] <mel_> moetunes: blank won't work
[16:10] <MAD-PPAS> hi there i have i q .... i have i small bug in my kubuntu 10.10 as soon a click on logout it freez  any one what to do ?
[16:10] <moetunes> k
[16:10] <MAD-PPAS> now++
[16:10] <Torch> mel_: this is kubuntu channel and you're asking about a gnome application... hence my reply.
[16:11] <mel_> Torch: you mean the one within the installer??
[16:11] <Torch> mel_: no.
[16:11] <MAD-PPAS> do any one have same problem ....?
[16:11] <Torch> mel_:  http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+Partition+Manager?content=89595
[16:11] <MAD-PPAS> as soon i logout it freezzzz why
[16:13] <MAD-PPAS> help me  out :)
[16:14] <mel_> Torch: in what catagory can I find this manager??
[16:14] <mel_> in K-menu in mean
[16:14] <Torch> mel_: system, iirc.
[16:14] <n8w> how do i openoffice from via cmd?
[16:14] <Torch> mel_: just alt+f2 and run partitionmanager
[16:14] <Torch> n8w: ooffice?
[16:15] <mel_> doesn't find/start
[16:15] <n8w> Torch:  hmm not rly
[16:15] <James147> mel_: you might need to install it first
[16:16] <mel_> I only find parted..
[16:16] <Torch> mel_: in your menu? parted is a console application. or do you mean gparted?
[16:17] <mel_> I edit the sources.list now and update it.. maybe then i can install/find the app
[16:18] <mel_> I now find the app
[16:21] <mel_> Thanx guys!! it works like a charm :D
[16:24] <MAD-PPAS> how about help me out 2 :)
[16:24] <MAD-PPAS> the problem i have whit the kubu is as soon i logout it freez .....:(
[16:25] <mvk> i got 10.04, when i use kpackagekit to fetch updates
[16:25] <mvk> i dont get 10.10 updates :/
[16:25] <mvk> what should i do?
[16:25] <Machtin> uhmm.. any suggestions on an OS for 13.3"-notebook? thought about xfce or the netbook-thing.. however, i have no clue about that mobile stuff.
[16:25] <Machtin> mvk: tried update-manager -d?
[16:26] <James147> mvk: try running: "update-manager"   -d shouldnt be needed (it for development releases)
[16:27] <James147> "sudo update-manager" even :)
[16:27] <Machtin> pardon then
[16:27] <Machtin> oh, 10.10 is released. didn't notice. :D
[16:27] <sh1ft3d> lol you just noticed?
[16:27] <James147> ^^ sorry... its "sudo do-release-upgrade"   not update-manager :)
[16:28] <mvk> well, i do have the release candidate
[16:28] <russlar> Machtin: you missed the confetti?
[16:28] <mvk> and would like to go final
[16:28] <Machtin> russlar: totally.. however i had it installed anyway.
[16:28] <Machtin> since alpha 3, if i recall correctly.
[16:28] <James147> mvk: if you already ahve RC then just update the system you will be on final (sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade)
[16:28] <mel_> I wanted to install 10.10 next to win7.. shaved off 100Gb of my D drive.. is now unallocated space.. started the kubuntu 10.10 installer.. but now I can't choose to install side by side.. what to do??
[16:29] <James147> mel_: chose the manual option
[16:29] <mel_> yes I did
[16:29] <mel_> and then??
[16:30] <James147> mel_: formate the unallocated space as ext4 and set its mount point to /
[16:30] <mvk> James147: that gives me nothin new
[16:30] <James147> mel_: you may want to create a seperate partition for /home as welll
[16:30] <mvk> with my mirrors.nl.eu.kernel.org repos..........
[16:30] <mvk> James147: how do i check if im OFF RC?
[16:30] <James147> mvk: then you might be on final...
[16:30] <Machtin> mvk: maybe you're up to date?
[16:31] <James147> mvk: dont think there is any way to check... if your uptodate then you will be on final...
[16:31] <mvk> James147: i didnt get any updates in the last two days
[16:31] <mel_> James147: the unusable space is grayed out..
[16:31] <Machtin> anyone got a suggestion for that notebook-question 20 lines or so above?
[16:31] <russlar> Machtin: is the plasma-netbook not to your liking?
[16:32] <russlar> Machtin: or is KDE too resource intensive for the HW?
[16:32] <James147> mvk: you could try changing your mirrors then..
[16:32] <Machtin> no clue.
[16:32] <Machtin> that's the problem.
[16:32] <mvk> James147: already did switch to US main
[16:32] <mvk> no result
[16:32] <Machtin> russlar: however, i think it shouldn't be.. it's a i3 with 2.23ghz or something like that and 4gbyte ram.
[16:33] <russlar> Machtin: sounds liek expermentation is in order
[16:33] <russlar> Machtin: in a netbook?
[16:33] <scherenhaenden> i have problems with my sound
[16:33] <Machtin> russlar: notebook! 13.3" :)
[16:34] <Machtin> it's a lenovo z360.. it should be shipped the next couple of days, just ordered it.. want to be prepared when it arrives ;)
[16:34] <russlar> Machtin: screen res 1280x800 ?
[16:34] <Machtin> russlar: note quite, 1366*768
[16:34] <russlar> erg. that's short
[16:35] <Machtin> 'short'?
[16:41] <adilalpman> hi
[16:42] <adilalpman> i wanna install kgrubeditor from kde-apps.org
[16:43] <adilalpman> but i cant add its repository to sources.list
[16:43] <russlar> Machtin: low vertical res
[16:43] <russlar> Machtin: and, since you're running an i3, you'll want to install 10.10
[16:43] <russlar> Machtin: if you go with a 'buntu
[16:44] <russlar> Machtin: earlier ones liekly won't have an xord that supports that gpu
[16:45] <adilalpman> can anybody help me?
[16:45] <russlar> adilalpman: I didn't know that kde-apps had a repo
[16:45] <James147> adilalpman: from what I can tell kgrubeditor does not support grub2... which is what kubuntu uses since about 9.10, so it will not work with those versions
[16:46] <adilalpman> how can i edit grub kubuntu 10.10 in kde with gui?
[16:46] <russlar> adilalpman: what edits do you want to make?
[16:46] <James147> adilalpman: as far as I know there is no gui for editing grub 2
[16:46] <adilalpman> :S
[16:46] <adilalpman> i am using windows and kubuntu 10.10 together on the same machine
[16:46] <BluesKaj> !grub2
[16:47] <Machtin> russlar: okay, fair enough. *buntu would be my preference.. still.. just a usual Kubuntu or some netbookish version?
[16:47] <James147> adilalpman: mostly you edit /etc/defaults/grub then run "sudo update-grub" after
[16:47] <adilalpman> and i wanna set windows first os to boot
[16:47] <russlar> Machtin: standard kubuntu, I think
[16:47] <Machtin> fair enough :)
[16:47] <Machtin> thanksie, i'll try that one first then.
[16:47] <russlar> Machtin: do they package plasma-netbook with the standard installer, or do they have a seperate installer for that?
[16:48] <Machtin> russlar: who?
[16:48] <adilalpman> is kubuntu 10.10 uses grub2?
[16:48] <James147> Machtin: in kubuntu 10.10, the netbook and desktop images have been merged,
[16:48] <Machtin> i see.
[16:48] <James147> adilalpman: yes
[16:49] <mel_> how many GB's do you need for a swap partition? I got 222Gb unused in total..? how many for system?
[16:49] <russlar> mel_: how much RAM do you have?
[16:49] <russlar> mel_: swap is only used when you run out of RAM
[16:49] <russlar> mel_: it's not liek windows, which pages everythign
[16:49] <Machtin> mel_: if you got /home seperated, i think 30gbyte would suffice for /
[16:50] <mel_> ah oke 3Gb mem
[16:50] <russlar> mel_: you should be K with 2GB of swap
[16:50] <James147> russlar: it is also used for hybernation... so you should have at elast the ammount of ram you have as swap if you are intrested in hybernation
[16:50] <mel_> ke
[16:50] <russlar> James147: good point
[16:50] <Machtin> mel_: I'd suggest to go with at least 3
[16:50] <mel_> 3 it is :)
[16:50] <Machtin> :)
[16:51] <James147> mel_: you can also create a swap file, allowing more felxability
[16:51] <Machtin> guess i'll have to read the differences between netbook and desktop-version
[16:51] <James147> (ie its easier to resize/delete)
[16:51] <BluesKaj> Machtin, I' using 10G for / and i have both kde and gnome installed
[16:51] <samuel> Hi,
[16:52] <samuel> how do I upgrade my Kubuntu?
[16:52] <Machtin> BluesKaj: i'm using 15 :) was a genorous suggestion
[16:52] <adilalpman> how can i edit grub in kubuntu 10.10?
[16:52] <mel_> is swappartition  a primary or extended partition?
[16:52] <Machtin> BluesKaj: pardon, 11 are used of 14.7
[16:52] <James147> adilalpman: depends on what you want to do, but mostly by editing /etc/default/grub and running "update-grub" after
[16:52] <BluesKaj> !grub | adilalpman
[16:52] <adilalpman> i wana set windows my first boting os
[16:53] <James147> mel_: depends on your other partitions...
[16:53] <russlar> !grub2 | adilalpman
[16:53] <James147> mel_: it can be either, but you ahve a limit of 4 primary partitions, use extended if you need mroe then 4
[16:59] <adilalpman> can
[16:59] <adilalpman> anyody help me via connect my pc with ssh?
[16:59] <russlar> !openssh
[17:04] <adilalpman> where is service manager in kubuntu 10.10? :S
[17:04] <russlar> adilalpman: service manager?
[17:04] <colinmcclure> Hi, anyone get Kubuntu to run on VMWare Fusion 3.1.1? Have just tried to install and it hangs at boot
[17:05] <adilalpman> yes
[17:05] <adilalpman> where is it?
[17:05] <russlar> adilalpman: I don't know
[17:05] <adilalpman> russlar?
[17:05] <russlar> adilalpman: I've never heard of it before
[17:05] <russlar> adilalpman: in 'buntu land, I just edit config files under /etc
[17:07] <James147> adilalpman: System settings > Startup and Shutdown > Service manager
[17:07] <adilalpman> ok
[17:07] <adilalpman> i am checking
[17:07] <adilalpman> ok
[17:07] <adilalpman> find
[17:08] <adilalpman> thnx
[17:08] <adilalpman> :)
[17:12] <krabador> hi people , i just tried kubuntu 10.10, and i must leave it until new order. hidden ssid wireless networks don't works
[17:12] <krabador> i can configure a wireless network mucch better than gnome, but for hidden network i can't use kde
[17:13] <James147> krabador: you can always use the gnome network applet (nm-applet) or even wicd
[17:14] <krabador> James147, on live , it's very great use the network, before kubuntu installation
[17:15] <sresu> Apart from padfedit, is there any application/package which can help editting pdf files?
[17:15] <sresu> *pdfedit
[17:15] <krabador> and people with only a protected wireless network can't do it
[17:15] <sresu> Hi James147
[17:21] <bodom> Hi there
[17:21] <bodom> I'm unable to find "update-notifier-kde" to start upgrade to 10.10, may aomeone help me?
[17:22] <Buutti> what release do you have installed atm?
[17:22] <sh1ft3d> umm,  update-manager -d?
[17:23] <Buutti> JeroenDeDauw, were you serious earlier asking about the cmd to wipe the disks? :)
[17:24] <bodom> Buutti: 10.04
[17:24] <JeroenDeDauw> Buutti: yes
[17:25] <Buutti> bodom, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu
[17:25] <Buutti> JeroenDeDauw, rm -rf /
[17:26] <Buutti> JeroenDeDauw, that command removes everything without asking anything recursively
[17:26] <AceNovril> helo
[17:27] <Buutti> hi
[17:27] <AceNovril> i want to install nvidia drivers, to do this i must disable nouveau
[17:28] <AceNovril> know anyone how to do this
[17:28] <AceNovril> i try to blacklist somting
[17:28] <bodom> Buutti: ty, it worked!
[17:28] <AceNovril> blacklist nouveau
[17:28] <AceNovril> options nouveau modeset=0
[17:28] <JeroenDeDauw> Buutti: Also stuff that's not mounted? (the disk is multiple partitions, and a bunch of free space)
[17:29] <bodom> AceNovril: I need to do the same :)
[17:29] <AceNovril> blacklist rivatv rivafb nvidiafb vga16fb, so, but the driver is even enable
[17:30] <bodom> AceNovril: rmmod it?
[17:30] <AceNovril> rmmod ?
[17:30] <Buutti> JeroenDeDauw, if you want to wipe out unmounted partitions, i think you have to use a partition manager for that
[17:30] <Buutti> such as cfdisk
[17:30] <bodom> AceNovril: yep: rmmod nuveau
[17:31] <BluesKaj> AceNovril, http://pastebin.com/qWg96z8C
[17:38] <AceNovril> thanks BluesKaj , i try this
[17:39] <BluesKaj> AceNovril, ok hope it works for you
[17:56] <_unforgiven> hello!
[17:58] <_unforgiven> I have a bit problem... after updating to 10.10 in KMix visible only one channel
[17:59] <James147> _unforgiven: in kmix: Settings > configure channels
[17:59] <Machtin> same here. using alsamixer instead.. don't know whether this suits you
[17:59] <_unforgiven> James147: only one...
[18:00] <Machtin> _unforgiven: but there's all of them in alsamixer, or not?
[18:00] <_unforgiven> alsamixer works perfect... but I want to have controls in KMix
[18:00] <Machtin> ok
[18:01] <Machtin> no clue then, i don't actually need to change these settings often
[18:01] <_unforgiven> all of them in alsamixer
[18:02] <sh1ft33_1> you can install a linux operating system while running linux right?
[18:02] <_unforgiven> Unfortunately I have Leadtek WinFastTV... and I have to disable CD channel after closing Xawtv
[18:02] <sh1ft33_1> install another version of linux, while using a different distro*
[18:05] <_unforgiven> I have just read that this problem due to KMix and PulseAudio integration
[18:05] <_unforgiven> I hate PulseAudio!!!!
[18:06] <russlar> _unforgiven: i think everyoen does
[18:10] <_unforgiven> ok... I'll try 'sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio'.  I need a link to read something about the netbook-plasma
[18:13] <James147> Machtin: plasma-netbook you mean ;)
[18:13] <Machtin> might be :)
[18:14] <James147> Machtin: http://www.kde.org/workspaces/plasmanetbook/
[18:14] <Machtin> is it just an optical thing or does it save performance?
[18:14] <Machtin> thanks.
[18:14] <James147> Machtin: I think its just a better interface for smaller screens
[18:14] <_unforgiven> now all OK!
[18:15] <Machtin> i see.
[18:16] <James147> Machtin: #plasma  will probally know more
[18:16] <Machtin> hm, never mind then :)
[18:16] <Machtin> i thought about xfce.
[18:17] <Machtin> *sigh* it's hard if you know so little :)
[18:17] <James147> Machtin: What specs does your netbook have?
[18:17] <Machtin> 2.2ghz i3, 4gbyte ram.. 1366*768 screen
[18:17] <James147> Machtin: heh, that should handel kde fine
[18:18] <Machtin> nothing too bad, i'd say.. except the display.. but that's fine for me
[18:18] <Machtin> well, i agree.. but i want it to be quite performant, you think i won't notice much of a difference compared to xfce?
[18:18] <James147> Machtin: my netbook has no problems with kde with 1 gig ram, 1.8ghz processor
[18:19] <James147> Machtin: not sure, you could try both any see which you like more...
[18:19] <James147> but kde can be configued to preforme faster if you remove some of the effects
[18:19] <Machtin> humm.. well. guess i'll start with kde then.
[18:19] <Machtin> if it turns out to perform efficiently, it'll stay :)
[18:20] <Machtin> as i pretty much love it
[18:21] <Machtin> Well, dinner. Thanks :)
[18:42] <HT> Hello guys
[18:43] <HT> I just upgraded to 10.10
[18:43] <HT> Everything works as it should be except for sound; pulseaudio seems to be the problem
[18:44] <HT> Removing it doesn't do the trick this time, so I kind of am stuck here
[18:48] <ubuntu> hi everybody
[18:48] <ubuntu> how could i repair my grub
[18:48] <ubuntu> ?
[18:49] <James147> !grub2 | ubuntu
[18:50] <ubuntu> well im trying... but it doesnt work :S
[18:50] <ubuntu> i do again chroot wait a second
[18:50] <James147> !details | ubuntu
[18:51] <ubuntu> wait im gonna do chroot
[18:52] <ubuntu> both events not found
[18:52] <ubuntu> im installing it
[18:53] <ubuntu> James147: but i cannot install startup manager... and on chroot could i not open it
[18:53] <ubuntu> wait im gonna eat
[19:01] <_unforgiven> HT: try 'sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio'
[19:01] <HT> I did; didn't work
[19:02] <_unforgiven> then 'alsamixer'
[19:02] <HT> Yes, everything seems fine there: PCM is full, as are the other bars
[19:03] <Buutti> you don't have sound or what?
[19:03] <HT> NO sound whatsoever
[19:04] <HT> Even beep doesn't work
[19:04] <Machtin> HT: but only one soundcard is installed?
[19:05] <good_man> hey all, I upgraded to Marevick and when trying to launch firefox or google chrome from terminal I got this error
[19:05] <HT> Yes,  a HDA NVidia card, Realtek ALC888 chip
[19:05] <good_man> The error: /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.10/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_source_set_name
[19:05] <good_man> I googled this error in libgdk and didn't find any relative results
[19:07] <good_man> google chrome also giving me the same error in libgdk
[19:09] <Buutti> HT, i have a realtek chip too, no problems at all with alsa :P
[19:09] <HT> Aaargh :-(
[19:10] <HT> Buutti: And you did an upgrade?
[19:10] <Buutti> yep
[19:10] <Buutti> 9.04 to 10.10 or whatever the previous version was
[19:10] <howlymowly> hi poeple..  short question:  I just enabled the netbook interface in KDE 4.5 and I also deleted the "newspaper activity" now i want to add my own activities..  how do i do that?  there does not seem to be any way how I could do that...
[19:10] <HT> 10.04 it was
[19:12] <James147> howlymowly: there is no way to add new pages from the search and launch activity :( not sure why, but a workaround is to change the activity type, add a new activity thenchange the tpye back
[19:12] <good_man> anyone?
[19:12] <howlymowly> kk thx. James147
[19:12] <arunmozhi> hey guys! does anyone know a gui tool to connect to internet via nokia mobile over blutooth
[19:12] <HT> Hmm, I just killed alsa. Anyone knows how to start it again?
[19:12] <howlymowly> James147: do you also know, whether it is possible o run klauncher with plasma-netbook?
[19:12] <HT> It isn't at /etc/init.d/alsa anymore
[19:12] <James147> klauncher? (do you mean krunner?)
[19:13] <James147> or the appllication launcher widget?
[19:13] <Buutti> arunmozhi, bluetooth networking is not available yet, but it's currently in progress
[19:15] <arunmozhi> i found some commands over the ubuntu forum "sudo pppd nomagic call gprs" ..... can it be made into a widget?
[19:16] <James147> arunmozhi: you should be able to add it to a script and drag the script to the panel/desktop... or creat a *.desktop file and set its exec= line to that command (use kmenuedit to create 8.desktop files easaly)
[19:17] <arunmozhi> @James147 sudo needs password right? how to specify it in the script file?
[19:18] <James147> arunmozhi: use kdesudo instead
[19:20] <howlymowly> James147: yeah.. i mean krunner
[19:20] <howlymowly> somehow the global keyboard shortcuts got disabled in plasma-netbook
[19:20] <James147> howlymowly: yes it does work with plasma-netbook
[19:20] <James147> howlymowly: if alt+f2 dosent bring it up you might need to launch it manually
[19:21] <James147> howlymowly: possibally add it to the autostart list
[19:29] <arunmozhi> James147: I created a new menu entry using Kmenueditor.... how to place a set of commands to run
[19:30] <James147> arunmozhi: if the command is one line (or can be made to be one line) then tpye it directly in the command part...  or create a script and place the path to the script in the command part
[19:31] <arunmozhi> James147: thnx... will try
[19:33] <arunmozhi> James147: one more doubt .... how to tackle sudo and passwords in script file?
[19:33] <James147> arunmozhi: replace "sudo" with "kdesudo"
[19:34] <arunmozhi> James147: ok..
[19:38] <phoenix_> the cpu usage is high even when using vdpau display driver in vlc. any help
[19:49] <Marcel25> nabend ich habe ubuntu und wollte wissen wie ich auf 10.10 upgraden kann
[19:49] <Marcel25> automatisch kommt nichts und bei den aktualisieren findet er auch nichts
[19:52] <mrafcho001> Hello everyone, I have a quick question. Is it better to use the NVIDIA driver that shows up in the "addidtional drivers" or to manually install the NVIDIA drivers from the NVIDIA website?
[19:53] <James147> mrafcho001: generaly its best ot install them through "hardware drivers"
[19:54] <mrafcho001> James147: thank you.  I was having some problems with those drivers in the RC, but hopefully this'll work better
[19:57] <gereg> who want to talk, men?
[19:59] <James147> gereg: this is a support channel, not a chat channel... if you want to talk about things join #ubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic
[19:59] <gereg> is anybody alive here?
[19:59] <gereg> ok,sorry
[19:59] <howlymowly> another question about plasma-netbook:   how do I add my own favorit applications in the "top-bar" I have no idea, how to do that...
[20:00] <James147> howlymowly: the panel? or the favruoites section?
[20:00] <howlymowly> the favorites section...
[20:01] <James147> howlymowly: drag and drop... but make sure the page is unlocked
[20:01] <James147> or click the star on the icon when the page is unlocked
[20:01] <jmichaelx> i did an upgrade from lucid to maverick a few days back, and spell-check is no longer working in FF and thunderbird? any suggestions? (spell-check is working in some prgorams, like chromium-browser.)
[20:01] <howlymowly> James147:  uh yeah, thx..  unlock was my problem...
[20:06] <sresu> How to upgrade from Lucid to Meerkat in Kubuntu?
[20:07] <howlymowly> James147: one last question and then I would be settled :) -->  is there a way to go "directly" to search & launch interface using a keaboard shurtcut?
[20:07] <IdleOne> !upgrade
[20:08] <howlymowly> James147: like the alt+F2 for krunner..  just for the search & run environment
[20:08] <James147> howlymowly: hmm... there should be a shortcut to show the desktop/minimize all windows, but i am not sure about switching activities (there might be one but I havent looked yet)
[20:08] <jmichaelx> is no one else here havnig the issue with spell check not working in FF and thunderbird?
[20:09]  * James147 dosent use FF or thunderbird :p
[20:09] <howlymowly> James147: yeah.. that one does not work. I just tried that out.. it leaves me with a blank (black) desktop without any activites at all
[20:09] <James147> howlymowly: hmm, that should be what happens :S
[20:09] <howlymowly> jmichaelx: I recetnly switched from FF dun ThB to chromium & kmail :)
[20:10] <jmichaelx> howlymowly: i use chromium and FF both, depending on what i'm doing.... but use ThB instead of kmail
[20:10] <AceNovril> anyone know, how i can disable the nouveau driver
[20:10] <sresu> James147?
[20:11] <jmichaelx> also, does it appear to anyone else that medibuntu is down?
[20:12] <jmichaelx> medibuntu being down the day of a new release would be a very negative thing, i would think
[20:13] <sresu> James147: Apart from pdfedit, is there any application/package which can help editting pdf files?
[20:13] <mrafcho001> jmichaelx: Firefox spell checking only works in certain places. I only get the spell checking in large text areas, and not in small 1 line inputs. Is this the behaviour you're experiencing?
[20:13] <James147> howlymowly: will play around with it abit tomorrow to see what I can find out :)
[20:14] <howlymowly> :) I am also just playing around right now :)  hehe
[20:15] <howlymowly> James147: hmm.   "dashboard" doesn't work, too as it seems to be deactivated in plasma-netbook
[20:15] <James147> sresu: not sure sorry, I havnt tried to edit pdfs,
[20:16] <jmichaelx> mrafcho001: i think i have no spellchecking at all in FF right now. also no spell checking at all in thunderbird, which to me is a far bigger deal
[20:16] <sresu> James147: No, I only want to extract one image out of a pdf
[20:17] <sresu> James147: Anyways, thanks
[20:17] <James147> howlymowly: hmm, your right, there doset seem to be a shorcut for it in plasma-netbook...
[20:18] <sresu> Is there any UpdateManager in Kubuntu which informs about latest distrubution? Or should I install adept-manager 2.1.3ubuntu25.2 package?
[20:18] <James147> sresu: kpackagekit should
[20:18] <sresu> Update Manager like in Ubuntu
[20:19] <AceNovril> anyone know, how i can disable the nouveau driver
[20:19] <sresu> James147: Nah, it didn't till now :(
[20:19] <James147> sresu: it might just be watching for LTS releases, try editing its settings
[20:19] <mrafcho001> jmichaelx: I had similar problem before, I don't remember how I solved it, but have you looked under System Settings -> Locale -> Spell Checker?
[20:20] <sresu> James147: Ahh.. yes. How did I forget about it! :)
[20:21] <sresu> James147: On Meerkat now?
[20:21] <James147> sresu: not on my desktop yet, but my netbook is
[20:21] <sresu> Does Meerkat include KDE client for Ubuntu One?
[20:22] <jmichaelx> mrafcho001: yes, things appear to be as they should in system settings. i started an ubuntuforums thread on this, and one person has replied, saying that he has the same problem on a fresh 10.10 installation
[20:22] <mrafcho001> Is anyone having really sluggish scrolling problems in 10.10? In KPackageKit there is only 50 items in the list and scrolling is really sluggish. I think it may be video driver related, since moving windows around is consuming upwards of 40% of both my cores.
[20:23] <sresu> James147: Does it include KDE client for that?
[20:23] <mrafcho001> jmichaelx: I am currently on a fresh 10.10 and I have spell checking in firefox. Again it only works on text areas and not on small text inputs, but its there. I have not tried thunderbird.
[20:24] <James147> sresu: I think there is a ppa for a kde ubuntu one client
[20:24] <jmichaelx> mrafcho001: what GPU are you using?
[20:24] <mrafcho001> jmichaelx: NVIDIA 9600GSO
[20:24] <James147> sresu: https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/ubuntuone-kde
[20:25] <apachelogger> ^ that is not being developed anymore
[20:26] <jmichaelx> mrafcho001: i am using an nvidia 8500GT, and video performance is somewhat more sluggish in 10.10 than it was in 10.04
[20:27] <mrafcho001> jmichaelx: what is your cpu usage when you are dragging a window in circles?
[20:28] <jmichaelx> mrafcho001: it seems to hit about 10% on all 4 cores when i do that
[20:29] <jmichaelx> mrafcho001: i presume you have compositing management turned on?
[20:29] <mrafcho001> jmichaelx: I think this is a video driver problem. I had this very phenomenon on RC and when I installed nvidia drivers manually, the CPU usage went down to 2% on each core when draggin windows, scrolling large text areas etc... But then my kdm broke couple days later
[20:31] <jmichaelx> mrafcho001: so are you thinking that a manual install of the driver downloaded from nvidia, rather than the one in the repos, might give better performance?
[20:32] <mrafcho001> michaelx: Yeah that's been my experience with the RC. I am going to try it right now and report if there are any performance improvements
[20:32] <weld> hi, i have a strangely high cpu usage here (Xorg is over 10%CPU while it's just 2% with gnome) when trying kubuntu and it eats all 3gb of memory (somehow distributed still evenly among programs), anyone else with the same issues? using the default nvidia driver, btw.
[20:33] <BajK> Is it just me or is my graphics card getting much warmer since I upgraded to 10.10?
[20:34] <BajK> Why do you now have to be invited to
[20:34] <BajK> #ubuntu+1 ?
[20:34] <jmichaelx> BajK: they may have changed that today, after final release
[20:52] <AceNovril> anyone know how i can disable the nouveau driver
[20:52] <yofel> AceNovril: what are you trying to accomplish? (you can disable it by blacklisting the kernel module though)
[20:55] <AceNovril> i would install new nvidia driver, the setup means, the nouveau drivers must be disabled
[20:59] <vbgunz> is there any way to get the latest kernel 2.6.36rc7 **with** ubuntu patches? preferably without compiling/building it?
[21:00] <vbgunz> anybody got a repo like that?
[21:01] <mrafcho001> for anyone interested, installing the NVIDIA binary drivers from nvidia website does not make any noticeable difference in performance.
[21:04] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: a few tweaks to xorg and increasing your power profile helps a lot... just waste a lot of money
[21:05] <mrafcho001> vbgunz: what tweaks do you speak of?
[21:07] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: these tweaks help a whole lot on my end. my system is like a game interface when I put the power profile on performance http://dpaste.com/256002/
[21:08] <ubuntu___> hi everybody
[21:08] <ubuntu___> i cant repair my grub
[21:08] <vbgunz> ubuntu___: whats wrong with your grub?
[21:08] <ubuntu___> is not working
[21:08] <vbgunz> what does that mean?
[21:08] <sil3nt|warri0r> hi frnds
[21:08] <sil3nt|warri0r> having a strange prolem
[21:08] <ubuntu___> n i did everthing what i got in internet... bout nothing
[21:08] <ubuntu___> i get grub 1.5 then... grub error
[21:08] <vbgunz> ubuntu___: not sure what sense you're making :(
[21:09] <ubuntu___> but*
[21:09] <sil3nt|warri0r> i cant login to my kde desktop, each time its just crashes after starting
[21:09] <vbgunz> you installed legacy grub?
[21:09] <sil3nt|warri0r> but strangly with other usera/c its ok
[21:09] <ubuntu___> yeah... ill installed again
[21:09] <sil3nt|warri0r> plz help
[21:09] <vbgunz> ubuntu___: you shouldn't have the old grub
[21:10] <ubuntu___> well
[21:10] <ubuntu___> :S
[21:10] <ubuntu___> if u want i could install teamviewer n u see for urself
[21:10] <vbgunz> ubuntu___: you know how to use a terminal?
[21:10] <ubuntu___> im trying everthing since hours
[21:10] <ubuntu___> yeah
[21:10] <ubuntu___> well
[21:10] <vbgunz> ubuntu___: are you on maverick? or lucid?
[21:10] <ubuntu___> i can use the bash but im not the master
[21:10] <ubuntu___> mav
[21:11] <vbgunz> try sudo apt-get -s install grub-pc
[21:11] <ubuntu___> on chroot or in the live?
[21:11] <vbgunz> you're not gonna install anything but does it look like it's gonna install for you?
[21:11] <vbgunz> ubuntu___: where are you?
[21:11] <vbgunz> you're in the live cd?
[21:11] <ubuntu___> both... im on livecd... but i did a chroot
[21:11] <vbgunz> ubuntu___: one sec
[21:12] <vbgunz> these steps saved my ass once https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 go to method 3-chroot
[21:12] <sil3nt|warri0r> :(
[21:12] <ubuntu___> i got one error
[21:13] <vbgunz> ubuntu___: you should have grub2 though, so not apt-get installing any kind of grubs... it should already be on maverick
[21:13] <ubuntu___> well ive installed today from this live cd
[21:13] <vbgunz> ubuntu___: you're using the wrong grub, the one you need already comes on the maverick live cd
[21:14] <ubuntu___> well... but i didnt work
[21:14] <ubuntu___> for that reason im on live
[21:14] <vbgunz> ubuntu___: at what step did you fail?
[21:14] <ubuntu___> step new start....
[21:15] <ubuntu___> ive install... then... never started up
[21:15] <vbgunz> method 3 should absolute repair your broken grub... it works like a charm, I just don't know where it screwed up for you and if you're aiming at the right partition etc
[21:17] <vbgunz> sil3nt|warri0r: still having problems?
[21:18] <sil3nt|warri0r> vbgunz: yea
[21:19] <ubuntu___> ok il try it
[21:19] <vbgunz> log out of kde and into the terminal, then mv your ~/.kde/ folder to ~/.kde.backup/ or something... then try logging in again and if you don't crash, it's something in ~/.kde ... just don't delete that folder, moving it is ok, you can always move it back
[21:22] <ubuntu___> ill probe it
[21:23] <dorkface> What is the default KDE application to handle partitioning?
[21:24] <vbgunz> dorkface: partitionmanager
[21:24] <dorkface> vbgunz: tyvm
[21:24] <vbgunz> at
[21:24] <sil3nt|warri0r> vbgunz: thx , actually i am upgrading to 10.10, lets see if it fixes
[21:27] <vbgunz> sil3nt|warri0r: hope it works out, if it does, let me know
[21:28] <sil3nt|warri0r> vbgunz: k :)
[21:34] <valentino_tuga> hi. i'm having a problem. i've just installed kubuntu 10.10 and i have no sound
[21:38] <mrafcho001> I am still experiencing really high kwin CPU usage, is this normal?
[21:40] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: curious, I probably won't be able to help here but how high is it?
[21:40] <mrafcho001> idles at 3% to 5%, but when moving a window it goes up to 35%+
[21:41] <vbgunz> you're using direct rendering in desktop effects or software?
[21:43] <vbgunz> sil3nt|warri0r: did you try it? is it working?
[21:43] <mrafcho001> vbgunz: direct rendering is enabled
[21:43] <mrafcho001> should compositing type be opengl?
[21:43] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: in that window, is it opengl?
[21:43] <vbgunz> yeah, for best experience
[21:43] <mrafcho001> yeah its opengl
[21:43] <vbgunz> is mode shared memory?
[21:44] <mrafcho001> "texture from pixmap"
[21:45] <vbgunz> not sure, texture from pixmap never worked best for me personally... I always ended up using shared memory
[21:45] <vbgunz> you can try, see what happens
[21:45] <vbgunz> how are you seeing the cpu usage in kwin?
[21:45] <vbgunz> top?
[21:45] <mrafcho001> yup top
[21:45] <mrafcho001> cpu usage of kwin now up to 50%
[21:45] <mrafcho001> and xorg also goign up to 15%
[21:45] <sil3nt|warri0r> vbgunz: it will take 3-4 hours to full dl 10.10 apps and upgrade
[21:46] <AceNovril> what is the recommended size for the root ( / ) partition?
[21:47] <sil3nt|warri0r> AceNovril: mine is 20gb
[21:47] <vbgunz> sil3nt|warri0r: hmm, I thought you had the problem now and needed it solved now, anyhow, if you really moved your kde folder, you can try this to see what went wrong rsync --remove-source-files --ignore-existing -rO ~/.kde.backup/ ~/.kde/
[21:47] <sil3nt|warri0r> with many many apps
[21:47] <sil3nt|warri0r> :)
[21:47] <vbgunz> but be careful, a type can maybe screw you up good but if it goes right, you'll see what files were left over and can manually check them out to see if you really need them
[21:48] <sil3nt|warri0r> vbgunz: k, will try dat
[21:48] <bdizzle> oh, when was 10.10 released?
[21:48] <bdizzle> and what got changed?
[21:48] <kumar> Did anybody get bluetooth headset working in kubuntu 10.10. The whole system freezes on me when I enter the pin to piar
[21:48] <kumar> pair*
[21:49] <sil3nt|warri0r> 10.10 has bluedevil
[21:49] <kumar> yes
[21:49] <sil3nt|warri0r> use blueman, its works very well
[21:50] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: the highest I got in kwin dragging a window forever was 9% cpu usage
[21:50] <kumar> i installed it, but blueman-applet wont load, says cant load power manager
[21:51] <mrafcho001> vbgunz: what GPU do you have?
[21:51] <kumar> __load_plugin (/usr/bin/blueman-applet:182)
[21:51] <kumar> Failed to load PowerManager
[21:51] <kumar> Icon 'gtk-missing-image' not present in theme
[21:51] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: gtx 275
[21:51] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: do you have your nvidia power-mizer profile set to performance?
[21:52] <sil3nt|warri0r> kumar: hav u installed all deps with blueman
[21:52] <sil3nt|warri0r> dependencies
[21:52] <mrafcho001> vbgunz: yeah its in "Maximum performance" mode, and what is your xorg like?
[21:52] <kumar> yups
[21:53] <vbgunz> you gotta keep in mind setting your stuff to performance will cause a much nicer smoother experience *but* at the expense of going full throttle... you'd blow up the phone bill too
[21:53] <kumar> sudo aptitude install blueman
[21:53] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: this should be most relevant to you http://dpaste.com/256002/
[21:54] <kumar> it should take care of deps
[21:54] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: if you need the whole thing I can paste it
[21:54] <sil3nt|warri0r> kumar: try to run that from cmd line
[21:54] <sil3nt|warri0r> blueman-manager or applet
[21:54] <bigbrovar> anyone tried the new ubuntu multitouch framework (utouch) on kubuntu?
[21:55] <bigbrovar> or is it just a ubuntu thing?
[21:56] <kumar> for some reason it loaded this time
[21:56] <kumar> earlier it was getting a timeout on dbus
[21:57] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: curious, what does "solid-powermanagement query cpufreq" say?  wheres the little star at?
[21:58] <sil3nt|warri0r> hmm
[21:59] <mrafcho001> vbgunz: i've applied those xorg optoins and some other ones i've found in google searches.  The solid-powermanagement has the star on the performance
[22:00] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: with performance on nvidia and solid-pm you should be having a nice experience... did you restart xorg after making changes to xorg.conf?
[22:00] <mrafcho001> yup
[22:00] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: one sec
[22:01] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: did you install the binary from nvidia? the run file?
[22:02] <mrafcho001> vbgunz: Currently, yes.
[22:03] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: can you uninstall it? if you want as close to the cutting edge nvidia drivers as you can get, you can try adding this ppa https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[22:03] <kumar> One more question about bluetooth
[22:04] <mrafcho001> vbgunz: Uninstall it and install the one from the PPA?
[22:04] <kumar> does anybody able to make the long range (100m) BT work with ubuntu
[22:04] <kumar> or kubuntu for that matter
[22:04] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: yeah, driver 260.19.06 is the latest on there, I am using it now and performance is quite amazing
[22:05] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: I used to use the binary but it becomes an extreme hassle after a while... extremely bothersome at times to have to maintain it, that ppa is almost like a dream come true if you like the latest drivers and transparent updating
[22:06] <mrafcho001> vbgunz: how would you go about uninstalling the binary driver?
[22:07] <mrafcho001> vbgunz: and then installing ppa
[22:07] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: the simplest way to add the ppa is to use kpackagekit
[22:07] <mrafcho001> i meant install the packages from ppa
[22:08] <sil3nt|warri0r> kumar: domu hav or built a long range bt device
[22:08] <vbgunz> oh, not sure the exact packages you need but I'll show you what I have installed, one sec
[22:08] <kumar> nops I bought a long range BT, class 1 BT adapter
[22:08] <ryrych> hello
[22:09] <kumar> sil3nt|warri0r: nops I bought a long range BT, class 1 BT adapter
[22:09] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: that's everything I have http://dpaste.com/256018/
[22:10] <ryrych> I need a little help. Kubuntu 10.10 KDE 4.5.2 (4.5.1 was also affected). Screen is flickering while windows moving, minimazing, etc. with compositing effects turned on.
[22:10] <ryrych> which pakage should I fill a bug against?
[22:10] <mrafcho001> any idea on uninstalling the binary drivers?
[22:11] <howlymowly> hi poeple...  short question: Is it possible to change the size of the panel in plasama-netbook? After I added a widget to my panel in plasma-netbook, its size has been changed. its now biger than before. Is it possible to revert that somehow?
[22:11] <sil3nt|warri0r> kumar: well ten go ahead n try it
[22:11] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: I believe you need to do this in a terminal with X off, not exactly sure but go back to your binary package as if you were going to install it again and just call it with the --uninstall  option
[22:11] <vbgunz> I believe thats how you do it
[22:12] <kumar> sil3nt|warri0r: i am trying it but its not working more that 10m but on windows the same adapter does work upto full range
[22:12] <vbgunz> definitely uninstall it first before you go ahead and download the drivers from the ppa, so feel comfortable with the terminal and X off and you're good
[22:12] <sil3nt|warri0r> kumar: no idea, i dont hav one to try
[22:13] <kumar> hmmm
[22:13] <kumar> any idea to increase the USB power
[22:13] <kumar> sil3nt|warri0r: where can I file a bug for it
[22:13] <emas> I need a bit of help
[22:13] <mrafcho001> vbgunz: yeah, im comfortable with the terminal, didn't realize there was --uninstall option on the installer. Doesn't show up in the help
[22:14] <emas> Every time i get a notofication, my screen flickers
[22:14] <emas> notification*
[22:15] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: cool, once X is off, you're done uninstalling the binary driver, your repos are updated with the new ppa, you can try this from the terminal: sudo apt-get -s install nvidia.*-modaliases nvidia-common nvidia-current nvidia-current-modaliases nvidia-settings
[22:15] <emas> During the flicker, I can see my desktop background
[22:15] <vbgunz> sorry, take off the -s option
[22:15] <vbgunz> thats a dry run option
[22:16] <vbgunz> nothing will happen if you leave -s on, apt-get would just show what it would do but won't do anything
[22:18] <PasNox> Hi
[22:18] <PasNox> i just installed kubuntu 10.10
[22:18] <PasNox> and i have some problems.
[22:18] <PasNox> i can't install packages
[22:18] <PasNox> when it prompt for a password, i give my password as usually - but it reject me :/
[22:18] <vbgunz> PasNox: try sudo apt-get update
[22:18] <vbgunz> what happens?
[22:19] <PasNox> but when i start kdesudo kpackagekit
[22:19] <PasNox> i can install packages without problems
[22:19] <PasNox> any idea?
[22:19] <mrafcho001> vbgunz: maybe its a little bit better now xorg and kwin both go up to 20%, which is pretty much the equivalent of just kwin going up to 40% haha
[22:19] <PasNox> vbgunz: already done many times
[22:19] <DNS777> PasNox: sudo apt-get install -f
[22:19] <DNS777> helps maybe :x
[22:19] <vbgunz> mrafcho001: it's not difficult and you're better off using the ppa any day rather than messing with nvidias binaries
[22:20] <mrafcho001> yeah good point
[22:20] <PasNox> DNS777: by kdesudo / commande line sudo all is working
[22:20] <PasNox> but this fucking kpackagekit password dialog reject me
[22:20] <IdleOne> !language | PasNox
[22:20] <DNS777> ^^
[22:21] <PasNox> when i changed my password via the systemsetttings, it tell me my password was longer than 8 and can cause problems - i ignore and use it as is
[22:21] <PasNox> could it be this 8 chars length limit in the kpackagekit dialog ?
[22:22] <James147> PasNox: I dont think so... I have a pass of 12 and ahve no problems
[22:22] <PasNox> James147: with fresh installed kubuntu 10.10 ?
[22:22] <vbgunz> I have a password of 128 characters and everything is fine
[22:22] <James147> PasNox: have you tried a simple password? without acented characters or anything funny ;)
[22:22] <PasNox> i have no special characteres
[22:23] <PasNox> onley ascii letters
[22:23] <vbgunz> PasNox: might sound nuts but are you hitting the caps key during the prompt maybe by mistake?
[22:23] <mrafcho001> thanks for the help vbgunz
[22:23] <super_turd> hey guys, this is off topic but how do I change channels. im new to IRC
[22:23] <PasNox> vbgunz: no, because using kdesudo / sudo in konsole
[22:23] <PasNox> it works fine
[22:23] <vbgunz> super_turd: //join #channel
[22:24] <vbgunz> super_turd: with a single slash not two
[22:26] <PasNox> vbgunz: hmm i found the same password dialog elsewhere - having same problem
[22:27] <PasNox> i tried to edit settings in systemsettings/kdm
[22:27] <super_turd> ok. someone fill me in real quick on all this. i know that irc has been around for years but im clueless
[22:27] <PasNox> when validating it request password - and reject me :(
[22:28] <James147> PasNox: its probally a problem with policykit... not sure how to fix it though :(
[22:29] <PasNox> James147: before there was a policykit entry in systemsettings - but can't find it again - does it was removed / obsoleted ?
[22:29] <PasNox> here is the error returned by the password dialog, once i cancel it ( cause it reject me )
[22:29] <PasNox> http://pastebin.com/SDvEnpBV
[22:29] <James147> PasNox: the version of ploicykit was updated, and that dialog was incompatable with it... the new version dosent have a gui yet
[22:31] <PasNox> James147: are you a kde dev?
[22:31] <James147> PasNox: nop... just spend far to much time following its development :D
[22:31] <silent|warri0r> vbgunz: i hav removed the .kde and try to ogin to kde, its works, but with some crappy window deco
[22:31] <PasNox> oki
[22:32] <PasNox> James147: so what about the systemsettings applet for policykit ? does no longer exists?
[22:32] <silent|warri0r> vbgunz: now how do i get back to my previous .kde with no crash
[22:32] <James147> PasNox: not for the currect version of ploicykit (not that the old one worked at all ;)  )
[22:32] <PasNox> James147: oki
[22:32] <PasNox> so what i do ?
[22:33] <PasNox> i can't do anything with this **** 10.10 ...
[22:33]  * PasNox tired of kubuntu / ubuntu like...
[22:34] <umm> Hallo 2 all
[22:34] <SporkWitch_> Gutenabend
[22:36] <umm> I have a question. I downloaded 10.10 kubuntu today and my problem is that when i try to make a bootable usb and try to boot from it, i get the boot error why isthat and does anybody have the same problem. I try to install with a cd and i see the boot menu but when i say start kubuntu all i see is a black screen and nothing happends ? Anybody can help me ?
[22:37] <SporkWitch_> umm: can you be more specific? what boot error?
[22:37] <James147> PasNox: I think you should look into how to configure policykit... afraid I do not know how to do that though
[22:37] <PasNox> James147: thanks for the hint
[22:38] <smooph> Hi I want to use openconnect with the network-manager for kde ... is there a package like the one for gnome?
[22:38] <umm> Well i have the iso of 10.10 kubuntu i make that into a bootable usb en try to boot from it so i can install the kubuntu 10.10 but i get a boot error
[22:39] <James147> PasNox: this might help: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504450
[22:39] <SporkWitch_> umm: how do you make that into a bootable usb? using the windows option?
[22:39] <PasNox> James147: thanks, reading
[22:40] <SporkWitch_> if so, that's almost certainly your problem
[22:40] <vbgunz> silent|warri0r: you weren't supposed to remove .kde only move it
[22:40] <umm> No with unetbootin or also with the startup disk creator
[22:42] <vbgunz> silent|warri0r: if you removed the .kde folder you're most likely stuck. if you moved it, tell me, where did you move it to?
[22:42] <phoenix_> how to upgrade my kde to 4.5.2
[22:42] <vbgunz> word, good question
[22:43] <vbgunz> my kde is at 4.5.1 **but** I thought maverick had 4.5.2
[22:43] <vbgunz> word, wth happened?
[22:43] <James147> phoenix_: on what version of kubuntu?
[22:43] <phoenix_> hello James147. kubuntu 10.10
[22:43] <James147> phoenix_: vbgunz: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.5.2
[22:44] <umm> phoenix : At the ppa     ppa:kubuntu-ppa  than sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:44] <umm> Add *
[22:44] <vbgunz> James147: wow, I really though it came in 10.10, not sure what made me think that :/
[22:44] <phoenix_> umm: ok
[22:45] <Hangman> how i can set "modeset=0" as bootparameter
[22:45] <umm> Phoenix : The same usb stick does boot up in another system
[22:45] <James147> Hangman: edit /etc/default/grub and run "sudo update-grub"
[22:45] <vbgunz> Hangman: maybe nomodeset ?
[22:46] <phoenix_> umm: got it, thanks
[22:46] <Hangman> and what i write into the grub file?, only modeset=0 and this working?
[22:46] <James147> Hangman: add it to the boot pram line
[22:47] <Freddy2> hi
[22:47] <Riddell> hi Freddy2
[22:47] <Freddy2> where can i check why the "Recent files" menu in kate is always disabled?
[22:47] <vbgunz> James147: good looking out. really, I thought I was riding 4.5.2 already.
[22:48] <Freddy2> (kde 4.5.1 and lucid, but the problem was there in 4.4.x)
[22:48] <Hangman> where is the boot param line?
[22:49] <vbgunz> damn, I just opened akregator and 6 out of 7 new articles at lxer is about 10.10
[22:49] <phoenix_> ya its disabled by default always
[22:49] <Riddell> Freddy2: should be in ~/.kde/share/config/katerc under [KFileDialog Settings]
[22:50] <James147> Hangman: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=
[22:51] <Hangman> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[22:51] <Freddy2> Riddell: yes, there is an entry for this -> Recent Files[$e]=$HOME/descargas/order_valgrind.txt,$HOME/descargas/order_valgrind.txt
[22:51] <Freddy2> but if i open kate the menu keeps disabled
[22:51] <phoenix_> where can i see the info about the new mp3 codec in kubuntu 10.10
[22:52] <Hangman> James147: you mean this line, and how i must write this?
[22:53] <James147> Hangman: open the file in a text editor as root (kdesudo kate /etc/default/grub) and append to the end of that line (just before the ending " )
[22:53] <James147> then run "sudo update-grub"
[22:54] <umm> I have a question. I downloaded 10.10 kubuntu today and my problem is that when i try to make a bootable usb and try to boot from it, i get the boot error why isthat and does anybody have the same problem. I try to install with a cd and i see the boot menu but when i say start kubuntu all i see is a black screen and nothing happends ? Can anybody  help me ?
[22:55] <James147> umm: what error do you get?
[22:56] <vbgunz> let me restart kde, hope all goes well and not to hell
[22:56] <avihay> umm: they say that kubuntu 10.04 and kubuntu 10.10 are not compatible when it comes to creating each other usb boot images
[22:56] <avihay> actually, it's an ubuntu thing
[22:58] <Bobbix> how can i modify order of icons on the plama panel on top ?
[22:58] <umm> avihay : i heard about that but with kubuntu they say you can write on to a disk or make a bootable usb and with 10.04 i had no problem making a usb boot stick
[23:00] <avihay> umm: umm, ok, I've also read that on some laptops (macbooks, I think), the drivers selects the external monitor by accident
[23:00] <prower> hello :> i'm using kdenlive in kubuntu 10.10...the effects list is completely empty :< is there something else i need to have installed?
[23:01] <James147> Bobbix: rightclcik the panel > panel settings   you can then drag the icons around while the settings dialog is open
[23:01] <umm> avihay : Its a desktop not using a laptop but what you said is a start for me too look around
[23:02] <vbgunz> well, im still here
[23:03] <avihay> I should have asked, if it boots but the screen is just blank, or if it freezes, and if you can switch to the virtual terminals
[23:03] <Bobbix> James147: not true.. rightclick don't let me do anithing
[23:04] <Bobbix> James147: i can only remove the icon that's all
[23:04] <umm> avihay : that is with a cd that i have burned but wit a bootable usb stick that i have made using unetbootin all i get is the boot error but the stick doed work on another system
[23:04] <James147> Bobbix: are the widgets locked?
[23:05] <Bobbix> James147: ni
[23:05] <Bobbix> no
[23:05] <James147> Bobbix: are you using plasma-netbook or plasma-desktop?
[23:06] <Bobbix> i don't know (default installation)
[23:06] <Bobbix> i've upgraded with backports repository
[23:06] <Bobbix> i've now the latest versione of kde
[23:09] <Bobbix> James147: OK resolved! i've found the problem.. i can't place the icons if i don't attivate panel option first... by default the icons are fixed in their position.
[23:12] <Bobbix> Thanks for your help James147
[23:12] <Bobbix> bye
[23:14] <howlymowly> hi poeple...  short question: Is it possible to change the size of the panel in plasama-netbook? After I added a widget to my panel in plasma-netbook, its size has been changed. its now biger than before. Is it possible to revert that somehow?
[23:16] <a2f> how can i get flash to work with konqueror without installing the package from repos?
[23:16] <James147> howlymowly: yes, click the cachew on the desktop (the circle thing in one of the corners), there should then be an option to change the size under/over the panel
[23:17] <fabiodev> wow
[23:18] <howlymowly> James147: ...  I am using the netbook-interface...  can't find that thing ghere...
[23:18] <howlymowly> *there
[23:18] <howlymowly> plasma-netbook
[23:18] <James147> howlymowly: it should be on the bottem left corner of the screen by default
[23:21] <howlymowly> yeah.. that's right.. but I can not find an option for the panel there...  the panel seems to be "seperated" from the plasma-netbook interface. I mean:  i can unlock the panel seperatly from the search & launch environment
[23:22] <James147> howlymowly: its a bit weird... unlock everything then click taht icon
[23:24] <howlymowly> James147: that worked!  thx man...  soooo...  i guess I found a bug there...
[23:24] <howlymowly> because I can not lock my panel again, now...
[23:24] <howlymowly> I mean: i can lock the search & launch activity
[23:25] <James147> howlymowly: yeah, its far to over complicated atm :( to many thing to lock/unlock
[23:25] <howlymowly> but the panel keep unlocked
[23:25] <howlymowly> and I am not able to click on any of the widgets in the panel, anymore
[23:26] <James147> howlymowly: might want to logout/logback in
[23:26] <howlymowly> James147: is this "normal" behaviour, that I am experiencing? or is it maybe due to some earlier configuration prior to KDE 4.5?
[23:26] <howlymowly> James147: did that already, it locks my panel again..  but the bug is reproducable...
[23:26] <James147> howlymowly: not entirly sure :) you could try creating a new user and seeing how it behaves on them
[23:27] <howlymowly> yepp.  letme try that...
[23:27] <howlymowly> be right back....
[23:28] <smooph> Hi at all ... I want to use openconnect to login to the vpn of my university ... under gnome with the package network-manager-openconnect-gnome no problem ... kde i don't know how ... so I thought connect using the shell command "openconnect server" - response is "Established DTLS connection" but I still have my old IP address ... I think I somehow have to the kubuntu to use the interface tun1 instead of eth0 ... how do i do that? thanks!
[23:32] <valentino_tuga> hi. i just installled kubuntu 10.10. I cannot make the sound work. anyone help me?
[23:33] <James147> valentino_tuga: make sure all the volumes arnt muted and are turned up (run "alsamixer" to check them)
[23:38] <phoenix_> i started the update to kde 4.5.2, i think its over but , i am getting this message
[23:38] <phoenix_> The configuration file '/etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc' (modified by you or a script) has a newer version '/etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc.dpkg-new'. Please verify your changes and update it manually.
[23:40] <phoenix_> what should i do now
[23:40] <James147> phoenix_: selecting 'y' will reset kdm to its default settings i beleive
[23:40] <James147> phoenix_: select 'n' if you dont want that to happen
[23:40] <phoenix_> James147:  its a warning message not a input one.