[15:50] <cjwatson> stgraber: would you have a chance to have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/+bug/1382295 ?  Reported by a friend of mine
[15:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1382295 in netcfg (Ubuntu) "installer won't accept link-local v6 gateway address" [Undecided,New]


[00:20] <IrcsomeBot1> <Lionel Cdrc> @tomreyn, good evening, in fact I do not know, after the start of the system all works normally, but it happens that its bug (that is to say, the screen is frozen) and I have to turn off the computer has hot and I turn on again to use it
[01:47] <obizelko_> hello everybody
[07:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:58] <kamil__> fg
[08:58] <kamil__> hej jest jakiś pl?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:33] <ocean416> Hi, i have kubuntu 18.4 lts and i cantt login sometimes, during the gui. Now i am login, but have no Internet. I can login on router, but dont get access to internet. Internet with mobile  works.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> ocean416, ethernet or wifi?
[13:34] <ocean416> Questions, how can i get internet, and how can i fix the Internet Problem.
[13:34] <ocean416> It dont work with cable, and dont work with wifi
[13:35] <ocean416> But i can watch a stream from the fritzbox with both
[13:37] <BluesKaj> ocean416, what's your normal connection with the pc you want to fix?
[13:38] <ocean416> cable
[13:39] <lgp171188> Apps installed as snaps do not show up when searching through the app launcher in Kubuntu 18.10. Is there something that has to be done to get it to work?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> cable=ethernet
[13:39] <ocean416> Yes
[13:39] <lgp171188> I use zsh and it looks like the bin directories are not added to $PATH either in zsh
[13:41] <BluesKaj> lgp171188, give us an example app that doesn't show in the kmenu/app launcher
[13:42] <lgp171188> BluesKaj, PyCharm Professional is the app I am having this issue with. Haven't tried other apps yet.
[13:43] <lgp171188> I installed it using this command - 'sudo snap install pycharm-professional --classic'
[13:43] <BluesKaj> ocean416,  run this in the terminal and pastebin the output please, ip link ls
[13:46] <lgp171188> The snap has a .desktop file under a couple of directories under the /snap/pycharm-professional directory and also at /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications/pycharm-professional_pycharm-professional.desktop
[13:46] <BluesKaj> lgp171188, is this a ppa deb source ?
[13:46] <lgp171188> BluesKaj, this is installed as a snap
[13:51] <lgp171188> Brb, going to try a suggestion to source /etc/profile in /etc/zsh/zprofile
[13:54] <BluesKaj> ocean416, did you run,  ip link ls ?
[13:55] <ocean416> I have problems to paste becausee of trouble with internet. 5 entries. 1 loopback, 2 : enp0s25 broadcast, Multicast, up,lower_up> mtu 1500, qdisc fq_codel state UP mode DEFAULT group dafault qlen 1000 link/ether
[13:56] <ocean416> And an ip6 ip
[13:57] <ocean416> Sorry slow becausw i have to type it on mobil
[14:00] <BluesKaj> ocean416,  run this on your pc , sudo dhclient
[14:01] <BluesKaj> then check your internet connection
[14:02] <ocean416> "RTNETLINK answers : file exist
[14:03] <ocean416> still not works
[14:03] <BluesKaj> yes, good, now check you browser
[14:05] <BluesKaj> ok,run,   ip route show
[14:06] <BluesKaj> you should see a line : default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev enp0s25
[14:07] <ocean416> I see it
[14:08] <ocean416> And and a 2nd some with proto dhcp metric 100 behind it
[14:10] <ocean416> Some=one
[14:13] <ocean416> In sylog i see many lines DHCPDISCOVER on wwp0s29f7u4i7 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[14:18] <ocean416> It repeated already >50 times
[14:21] <ocean416> You know an ip, i can use in browser to check if ip direct works?
[14:24] <ocean416> A ping to an url says, problem to get the ip (Namensauflösung)
[14:26] <BluesKaj> <IP_ADDRESS> should open your router firmware, it's usually the gateway
[14:28] <ocean416> Yes, that works ( its another ip )
[14:28] <ocean416> I can open it it the browser
[14:29] <ocean416> This mobil uses the same gateway an it works.
[14:34] <BluesKaj> ping google.com
[14:34] <BluesKaj> in the terminal
[14:34] <ocean416> Last time was on with the pc, everyting worked. after reboot i cound not login in the gui. In textconsole it worked. I     rebooted 3-4 times. Than it worked but i have not internet. Before i booted with a live stick and internet worked in that pc
[14:36] <ocean416> The ping says cant translate the name( bad translation if me i Think)
[14:37] <ocean416> .. Of me..
[14:38] <ocean416> I think he cant find name server
[14:39] <BluesKaj> set up dns in you router , <IP_ADDRESS> as primary and <IP_ADDRESS> as secondary
[14:43] <BluesKaj> can you open your router firmware ?
[14:52] <IrcsomeBot1> Silenoz was added by: Silenoz
[15:16] <Oderus> hi. I am looking to change the "change user" icon on the lockscreen. is there a config file i can point to a different icon instead of the default?
[16:00] <greenfrog> does anyone know how to make the desktop  text bigger? i can make the icons bigger but the text stays the same. i also tried to change the desktop resolution and ended up reinstalling kbuntu because changing it caused the desktop to be unusable
[16:01] <greenfrog> there seems to be no "do you want to keep this setting"
[16:11] <BluesKaj> greenfrog, app lauancher>system settings>apprearance>fonts
[16:12] <BluesKaj> once you choose the font and size etc ckick apply
[16:12] <diogenes_> greenfrog, also maybe some tips here: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/9dt46l/kde_display_scaling/
[16:16] <greenfrog> tada, i'm jazzed now i can read the texts
[16:16] <greenfrog> thanks
[18:25] <greenfrog> i have kubuntu 18.04 installed and completely updated. i wish to move up to 18,10. i'm finding it very confusing finding the right tutorial on kubuntu, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[18:25] <greenfrog> the available info says use the upgrade tool
[18:34] <greenfrog> or Open the "Software & Updates" Setting in System Settings. which does not exist on this ver.
[18:54] <aedigital> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CosmicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[19:13] <greenfrog> nevermind i got it
[21:29] <valorie> john3voltas[m]: please comment on that bug report and mention where in Debian it is fixed
[21:30] <valorie> this has nothing to do with "Cannonical" -- ubuntu devels may or may not be employees of Can. -- most are not
[22:40]  * john3voltas[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/fhyFEmVChsoikuuPtluCMmdC >
[22:41] <john3voltas[m]> nevertheless, i am going to post on ubunt's bug report and link them to debian's bug report. that's all i can do.
[22:41] <john3voltas[m]> hope it works
[22:53] <john3voltas[m]> there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-fortisslvpn/+bug/1770392/comments/2
[22:53] <john3voltas[m]> done. thanks guys.


[09:27] <huats> morning
[10:53] <duanedesign> i see a nigelb ! :)
[12:21] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:22] <duanedesign> o/
[12:38] <czajkowski> the florida loco did a great job last night on the party
[14:10] <sense> good morning
[14:27] <czajkowski> paultag: you at school ?
[15:37] <Technoviking> morning
[15:38] <cjohnston> mornin Technoviking
[15:42] <czajkowski> Technoviking: get sorted yesterday with IS ?
[15:58] <Technoviking> Technoviking: yeah, I need jono to schedule  a session for forums theme/software upgrade so I can talk with IS and the design tea,
[15:59] <Technoviking> s/tea,/team
[15:59] <Technoviking> is there VoIP to the session?
[16:33] <akgraner> Technoviking, pong
[16:33] <czajkowski> Technoviking: aye we're hoping the same happens with the planet
[16:35] <Pendulum> Technoviking: can you ping me once that session is set? One of my many things is getting accessibility discussed when it comes to new/revamps of Ubuntu websites ;-)
[16:37] <czajkowski> Technoviking: we can bring it up again at the round table again in the morning if you like?
[16:37] <czajkowski> Technoviking: or create a bp so we can get a session planned in the summit
[16:39] <Technoviking> czajkowski: That would be great, I can't make the roundtables, 7am here when I'm driving my son to school
[16:40] <czajkowski> Technoviking: if you create the bp
[16:40] <czajkowski> poke me in pm with link I shall go poke him for you
[16:40] <Technoviking> akgraner: Rita asked me a few week ago if I was going to write another article on UDS-N
[16:40] <akgraner> Ahhh
[16:40] <akgraner> Do you want to?
[16:40] <akgraner> :-)
[16:41] <Technoviking> akgraner: someone there should
[16:41] <Technoviking> :)
[16:41] <Technoviking> czajkowski: will do
[16:41] <czajkowski> Technoviking: under ubuntutheproject
[16:41] <akgraner> Technoviking, I'll call her
[16:42] <akgraner> maybe Rikki added it to my todo list - I should check
[16:45] <Technoviking> czajkowski: so ubuntutheproject-forums-upgrade
[16:47] <czajkowski> I'd put a -n in there somwwhere
[16:47] <czajkowski> for the ccle
[16:47] <czajkowski> *cycle
[16:47] <czajkowski> -n-community
[16:48] <Pendulum> -community-n, i though?
[16:48] <Pendulum> so ubuntutheproject-community-n-forums-upgrade should be it, I thought?
[16:49] <czajkowski> yes
[16:51] <czajkowski> free slot next
[16:51] <czajkowski> sweet
[16:52] <Pendulum> :)
[16:57] <Technoviking> czajkowski: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntuforums.org/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-forums-upgrade
[17:08] <czajkowski> Technoviking: coolio as soon as I see him shall poke
[17:09] <Technoviking> czajkowski: be sure to poke really hard, preferably with a pointy stick:)
[17:10] <czajkowski> yeah
[19:13] <User345757> hey everyone
[19:14] <User345757> So this is what typa career chat room?
[19:15] <User345757> Oh ok this is like some weird kinda career rom, all you guys are into this typa career? blueprints n stuff...
[19:15] <User345757> ??
[20:27] <buvoicearts> Hi, my name is Oliver Ghingold. I'm the editor for the Arts & Entertainment section of "The Voice," the Bloomsburg University student newspaper. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to consent to an interview about the recent announcement of Mac OSX Lion, and more specifically the fact that its launchpad and auto-updater features will not be supporting applications downloaded or sold outside of the App Store.
[20:41] <sense> buvoicearts: I'm not sure if that affects Ubuntu too much. Maybe you want to interview developers of open source applications, but Ubuntu doesn't have much to do with installing applications on Mac OS X.
[20:45] <buvoicearts> sense: I'll admit I'm kind of out on a limb. I'm also going to be heading to RedHat/Fedora channels; if I can't talk about APT, I'll try talking about YUM.
[20:46] <buvoicearts> I want to conrast Apple's "walled garden" approach with the merits of Free alternatives.
[20:47] <sense> buvoicearts: Of course applications that don't arrive via APT on Ubuntu are not updated either, someone needs to put it in a repository. Users are able to add more than one repository to their system, though, so that is a bit of a contrast.
[20:48] <sense> buvoicearts: I could see around a bit to see if there is anyone who might be interested in an interview, but I'm not sure if there are many people with time as we are in the middle of the Ubuntu Developer Summit right now and most people are in sessions discussing stuff.
[20:48] <buvoicearts> sense: That was the direction I was going in. Also, nothing stops users of Free applications from adding them to repositories as long as they credit the original authors.
[20:48] <sense> yeah
[20:49] <sense> buvoicearts: A difference (which is something we are working on) is that for the Linux distributions the applications are added by the distro devs, the role of the app devs is much more passive.
[20:49] <sense> We are trying to change that (partially), but now it is still very much controlled by the distros' devs.
[20:50] <sense> buvoicearts: You may want to follow a bit of the App Review Board sessions to get more information about what Ubuntu is planning for its app store. Are you familiar with the UDS?
[20:50] <sense> http://uds.ubuntu.com is a nice starting page if you want more information
[20:52] <buvoicearts> sense: Thanks. I would still like to get a quote from a named FOSS advocate if it's at all possible. Is there anyone with a title who'd let me ask them a few questions?
[20:52] <sense> jcastro: ping
[20:52] <sense> buvoicearts: I'll try to see if there is anyone available for you.
[20:54] <buvoicearts> sense: Much appreciated.
[20:58] <sense> Someone's on it.
[20:59] <buvoicearts> Awesome, thanks
[20:59] <sense> I have to go offline now, see you!
[20:59] <buvoicearts> sense: Later, good sir.
[20:59] <sense> good bye


[00:32] <Alan> Hmm, i'm sure this isn't correct... I'm getting massive lag between damage and redraw...
[00:38] <RAOF> Massive, as in…?
[00:39] <Alan> as in a noticable proportion of a second
[00:39] <Alan> wasn't getting it in Lucid
[00:40] <Alan> actually, I have to say, everything feel a bit "jerkier" in the whole of Maverick, not sure what significant things have changed...
[00:40] <Alan> (I don't mean graphics performance, i mean random mega IO waits/deadlocks)
[00:40] <RAOF> Are you playing with btrfs?
[00:40] <Alan> nope
[00:40] <Alan> ext4
[00:44] <Alan> Also, Xft's font rendering really isn't ready for a font like Ubuntu
[00:44] <Alan> It renders like crap at pretty much any setting
[00:44] <Alan> (And i still don't get why ubuntu ships with "slight" hinting by default)
[00:45] <RAOF> Neither do I; none FTW!
[00:45] <Alan> it's a shame, because it's a nice font
[00:45] <Alan> none?
[00:45] <Alan> I use full
[00:45] <RAOF> (This is one reason why “slight” is the default :))
[00:45] <Alan> Full hinting + DejaVu Sans + switching font DPI to 75 = small and readable
[00:46] <Alan> if you have a sharp LCD display anyway
[00:46] <Alan> http://www.alanbriolat.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/screenshot_002.png
[00:46] <Alan> as an example
[00:47] <RAOF> Yeah; I find that looks annoyingly pixel-gridded.
[00:48] <Alan> The problem is that there is a massive gulf between 1:1 pixel mapping where things look sharp, and large-enough-that-you-can-see-the-shape
[00:48] <Alan> and in that gulf everything looks either deformed or blurry
[00:49] <RAOF> Whereas I like: http://cooperteam.net/Screenshot.png
[00:51] <Alan> but it's so fuzzy!
[00:51] <Alan> Then again, it's also very DPI-dependenty
[00:52] <Alan> that looks fuzzy on a 24" 1920x1200 monitor
[00:52] <RAOF> Yeah.  My primary display is ~140 DPI
[00:52] <Alan> yeah, DPI is always much more preferable to hinting
[00:52] <Alan> You can get away without hinting at that kind of resolution
[00:53] <Alan> but on a 96-DPI monitor, it looks fuzzy as hell
[00:53] <Alan> what is that, 12" laptop with an external monitor?
[00:53] <RAOF> Yup.
[00:53] <Alan> 1366x768?
[00:53] <RAOF> 1440x900
[00:53] <Alan> ooh
[00:54] <RAOF> x200s FTW!
[00:54] <Alan> yeah
[00:54] <Alan> damn them
[00:54] <Alan> the new X200 has 1440x900?
[00:54] <Alan> same for the tablet or not?
[00:54] <Alan> (I have a X200t)
[00:54] <RAOF> I don't know; this laptop is a yearish old and things have changed.
[00:55] <Alan> In fact, as you might have seen, i spent today hacking tablet swivel support...
[00:55] <Alan> so is mine
[00:55] <Alan> yeah, i hate that nobody really makes things with enough resolution
[00:55] <RAOF> Oh, cool.  Playing with the xrandr input transformation matrix?
[00:56] <RAOF> I'm lusting after the Sony laptop with a 13" 1920x1080 display… that looks good. :)
[00:56] <Alan> yeah
[00:57] <Alan> I hate all these 15.4" laptops with 1366x768 screens
[00:57] <Alan> oh well...
[00:58] <Alan> But yeah, i'd agree that I'm finding the ubuntu font a lot more bearable with less hinting on my laptop than i find it on my desktop at any setting...
[00:59] <Alan> RAOF: not doing anything too complex, just calls to xrandr and xsetwacom, apart from the fact i need to run something inside the X session to do it now...
[00:59] <Alan> so i've got a dbus listener doing that stuff
[01:00] <RAOF> Funky!
[01:00] <Alan> http://github.com/alanbriolat/tabletswivel
[01:01] <Alan> probably a terrible use of the dbus API, but it works
[01:01] <Alan> Which is an improvement over Lucid
[01:01] <Alan> where xsetwacom would cause the wacom driver to segfault, killing X
[01:01] <RAOF> Yay! :X
[01:02] <ajmitch> that sounds broken
[01:03] <Alan> very much is
[01:03] <Alan> However my bug report has been ignored...
[01:04] <Alan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/575066
[01:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 575066 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in XIChangeDeviceProperty() (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[01:05] <Alan> also got another terrible bug in Lucid that i should report
[01:05] <Alan> it's not X related though
[01:05] <Alan> (mounting remote filesystems with cifs + copying large files corrupts the copies, using smbclient doesn't)
[11:28] <soreau> mornin folks
[11:28] <soreau> having some trouble with xorg-edgers repo. I installed 10.10 fresh, installed xorg-edgers and everything looked great
[11:29] <soreau> Even installed a kernel, I was thrilled
[11:29] <soreau> rebooted and checked glxinfo, showed gallium everything yes
[11:29] <soreau> so I figured forget it and wait for updates
[11:30] <soreau> but then I was helping someone else install xorg-edgers and I started referring to my own system
[11:30] <soreau> and i noticed, xorg-edgers was nowhere to be found in sources.list
[11:31] <soreau> there's no ppa-purge app anywhere to be found either
[11:32] <soreau> then I rerun 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' and it exits without any error but no packages upgraded
[11:32] <soreau> Then I checked /boot, and there is no 2.6.36* kernel!
[11:32] <soreau> uname says I'm still on 2.6.35
[11:34] <soreau> So how is ppa-purge and 2.6.36 get mystically removed?
[14:07] <knittl> what is my problem when the x-server hangs from time to time
[14:08] <knittl> when i kill it with sysrq-k i can see on the consolel: [nouveau] gpu lockup - switching to software fbcon
[15:14] <ScottK> Sarvatt or RAOF: Would one of you please have a look at bug 651294?  It's currently assigned to -intel, but now someone with ATI says they have the same problem, so either it's not an -intel problem or he's got something different.
[15:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 651294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really) (affects: 5) (heat: 26)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651294
[15:19] <hyperair> uh-oh, i forgot to run ppa-purge on xorg-edgers again
[15:25]  * soreau ppa-purges hyperair
[15:25] <hyperair> haha
[15:26] <hyperair> soreau: my karmic to lucid upgrade required manual cleanup due to xorg-edgers.
[15:26] <soreau> hyperair: You are ppa-purged
[15:26] <soreau> also, you did it wrong
[15:26] <soreau> ;)
[15:27]  * hyperair wonders if soreau has seen the "!wrong" pictures in ##c++
[15:27] <hyperair> the multitude of "you're doing it wrong" pictures which really cracked me up
[15:27] <soreau> hehe
[15:27] <soreau> Ive seen a handful of those
[15:28] <hyperair> heheh
[15:28] <hyperair> there are 20 or so on nolyc =p
[15:28]  * soreau looks
[15:29] <hyperair> /msg nolyc !wrong
[15:29] <hyperair> just tweak the number at the end of the url
[15:32] <soreau> If you cant figure that out..
[15:32] <soreau> Youre doing it wrong
[15:33] <hyperair> hehe
[15:35] <soreau> Its probably a tossup between http://adrinael.net/wrong5 and http://adrinael.net/wrong15
[22:47] <RAOF> knittl: That's nouveau locking up your GPU (which is why X hangs) but miraculously managing to keep the framebuffer in memory, so the VT works.


[02:23] <bluesabre> knome: could you test the package in this PPA... https://launchpad.net/~menulibre-dev/+archive/daily
[02:23] <bluesabre> with a freshly created menu file
[02:23] <bluesabre> to see if https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/1307729 still happens?
[02:27] <bluesabre> ... :)
[09:25] <elfy> knome: any issue with publishing the QA recap?
[09:25] <elfy> not sure what the plan is with regard to the other pending one
[09:36] <amigamagic> thanks guys to who suggested to me to use geany... It's a very nice and light code editor!
[09:44] <arrith> amigamagic: if you like lightweight you'll love emacs
[09:44] <arrith> or vim
[09:44] <arrith> but mostly emacs
[09:49] <amigamagic> arrith, I love lightweight but I like good and intuitive graphical interfaces too. The generic editor I love the most is notepad++ but very sadly it's an only-windows project.
[09:52] <amigamagic> anyway, geany is very good as a code editor... It has all the main things you expect from a good code editor, but it's not an elephant as eclipse is.
[09:54] <arrith> emacs comes with a gui by default
[09:54] <arrith> :>
[09:55] <brainwash> !ot
[10:07] <arrith> oops, thought this was -offtopic, many apologies
[10:22] <amigamagic> xfce source code uses spaces instead of read tabs, right?
[10:23] <bluesabre> There's often a mix, but generally I recommend the use of spaces over tabs.
[10:24] <amigamagic> bluesabre, yes, my code now is a mess of tabs and spaces... I should convert all tabs in spaces... :P
[10:24] <amigamagic> when I move the code to another editor with different default tab size it will be displayed in a completely different way
[10:33] <bluesabre> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11094383/how-can-i-convert-tabs-to-spaces-in-every-file-of-a-directory
[10:33] <bluesabre> :)
[11:00] <amigamagic> bluesabre, thanks...
[11:02] <knome> bluesabre, it never happens with a "fresh" menu
[11:03] <knome> bluesabre, i don't know how i was able to create the broken menu file.
[13:11] <jhenke> hi folks
[13:11] <elfy> hi jhenke
[13:17] <ochosi> hey
[13:27] <amigamagic> hi all
[13:29] <amigamagic> someone there is practical about gtk? I'm not able to place the number "under" the icon, when in deskbar mode
[13:30] <amigamagic> for the horizontal positioning it's used something like: "gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (child->box), child->icon, TRUE, TRUE, 0);"
[13:30] <amigamagic> sorry, for the label it was: "gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (child->box), child->label, TRUE, TRUE, 0);"
[13:31] <amigamagic> mmmh... I think this is more an argument for xfce-dev... I move there...
[16:45] <GridCube> http://delightlylinux.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/xubuntu-14-04-released/  << pleia2
[16:45] <GridCube> >The Xubuntu developers deserve compliments once again.
[16:45] <GridCube> :D
[16:45] <pleia2> GridCube: thanks :) I'll try to get the new press page up today
[16:46] <GridCube> :D
[16:46] <GridCube> not exactly xubuntu, but http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/xubuntu-mugshot-app
[17:51] <jhenke> I'd never imagined unicorn makes the race for the code name....
[17:52] <pleia2> I love unicorns \o/
[17:54] <jhenke> \o/ indeed...
[17:54] <jhenke> you all saw mark's offical post for the u-series?
[17:55] <pleia2> mhmm
[17:55] <pleia2> my unicorn is ready https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/13962217616/
[17:56] <jhenke> pleia2 that's a vute one
[17:56] <jhenke> cute
[17:56] <pleia2> :)
[17:57] <pleia2> he was sitting on my shelf, went and grabbed when I heard, applied ubuntu pin
[17:57] <jhenke> so whoever hasn't seen it: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1363
[17:58] <elfy> so I was close :p
[18:27] <jhenke> are there already plans what xubuntu wants to archive for utopic?
[18:28] <pleia2> ideas will be coming together in the next few weeks, we need to catch our breath post 14.04 release :)
[18:30] <jhenke> okay, thoaught there might already be plans for it ;)
[18:30] <jhenke> like things that did not make it into trusty or so
[18:31] <elfy> afaik the only thing not to make it into trusty were bugfixes
[18:32] <elfy> specs and the like will turn up on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/
[18:49] <Unit193> Logan_: Hah!  Unicorn! :P
[18:49] <Logan_> already grouped the UtopicUnicorn nick :P
[18:51] <Unit193> Yep, IdleOne isn't going to like you. ;)  (But really, I was hoping for the monkey. :( )
[18:59] <jhenke> who is idleOne?
[19:21] <genii> jhenke: A not-middle-aged fellow with Ubuntu tattoos who likes to get the name of the releases for his nicks
[20:52] <jhenke> good night folks
[20:52] <elfy> goodnight jhenke
[22:41] <knome> hey slickymaster
[22:57] <knome> 14.10 Utopic Unicorn
[22:57] <knome> (official)


[05:53] <llogiq> hi again. phillw: About that backlight code. Having a 500k executable that is basically just a read and write bugged me, so I rewrote it in assembly. The executable is now 888 bytes. :) Where would you recommend I share it?
[06:21] <len> i'm having a really strange problem.  I'm trying to use a WPN511 pcmcia atheros based wifi card with the old thinkpad 600.  The problem is that the card only gets registered some of the time (shows up on the list when I type lspci).  When it shows on lspci the ath5k drivers load and run fine.  When it doesn't, they drivers don't load becuase they see no card.
[06:22] <len> The best way to get it  to work is to pull the card out, put a wired pcmcia card in, yank it out and quickly put the wifi card in it's place.
[06:24] <len> Any Idea what is going on, and why putting a wired card in, pulling it, and quickly replacing it with the wifi card is the best way to get the card to be seen?
[06:28] <len> When I type dmsg after putting the wifi card in it "sees" that "a card" in general has been inserted, but doesn't seem to detect anything beyond that.  Just gives a message about a pcmcia card being inserted, and leaves it at that.
[06:31] <jscinoz> Hi...
[06:32] <jscinoz> I'm having a slight problem... I've just installed Lubuntu, and upon logging in the menu is empty, but for "Run" and "Logout". Clicking "Run" simply restarts the panel.... If i switch to tty1 login, and logout, the menu is populated when i switch back to tty7... Any idea why the menu is empty on first login?
[07:16] <jscinoz> hello?
[08:20] <iXuta> I tried to change the resolution using lxrandr, but when I was pressing the OK, nothing was happening. Output in terminal was containing "warning: output I-1 not found; ignoring"
[08:20] <iXuta> And using "xrandr -s 800x600" I changed resolution.
[08:20] <iXuta> It is bug, isn't it?
[08:23] <bioterror> dunno
[08:23] <iXuta> ...sorry for discordance in tenses :)
[08:32] <jscinoz> I'm having a slight problem... I've just installed Lubuntu, and upon logging in the menu is empty, but for "Run" and "Logout". Clicking "Run"  simply restarts the panel.... If i switch to tty1 login, and logout, the menu is populated when i switch back to tty7... Any idea why the  menu is empty on first login?
[08:37] <bioterror> whaaaat
[08:37] <bioterror> :o
[08:37] <bioterror> you installed it from the livecd?
[08:38] <bioterror> iXuta, you could configure your xorg. go to tty with ctrl+alt+f1, login. say sudo Xorg -configure
[08:39] <xuzas> why doesn't lxde save any style settings i change?
[08:39] <bioterror> move the xorg.conf.new to /etc/x11 with name xorg.conf using command mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:39] <bioterror> oh
[08:39] <bioterror> I fogot, after login, you must say sudo service gdm stop
[08:39] <bioterror> and after moving the file,m you can say sudo service gdm start
[08:41] <bioterror> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1607176 more from there
[08:43] <head_victim> How big is Lubuntu basic installed on the hdd?
[08:44] <head_victim> I have a friend trying to install something to a 1gb usb drive and was wondering if that would make it or not.
[09:03] <Mossyfunk> Has anyone figured out how to get the bookmarks bar to show in chromium?
[09:04] <head_victim> Yeah I have it
[09:04] <Mossyfunk> hey head_victim =)
[09:04] <head_victim> Evening
[09:04] <head_victim> I'll work out how it did it for you
[09:04] <head_victim> Just press "shift+control+B"
[09:05] <Mossyfunk> awesome thanks mate =)
[09:06] <phillw> hiyas head_victim
[09:06] <head_victim> Mossyfunk: doing what I can
[09:06] <head_victim> phillw: evening
[09:07] <phillw> well, it's 09:06 Sunday morning here :)
[09:07] <head_victim> Hah 7pm for me.
[09:07] <phillw> makes a change for us both to be on the same day !!!!
[09:08] <head_victim> Ha for the next 5 hours.
[09:08] <head_victim> You'd know. how small can you make a Lubuntu install? I have a friend trying to find something to work on a 1gb usb drive. Is it' possible?
[09:09] <phillw> head_victim: yeah, it will fit on  a 1GB stick.
[09:09] <head_victim> Using the mini installation instructions?
[09:11] <phillw> head_victim: no, just make it as a usb stick, although you won't have a massive amount of room for persistance (about 500 MB)
[09:13] <phillw> head_victim: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=69
[09:15] <head_victim> phillw: cool, thanks for the link.
[09:15] <head_victim> I'm just doing what I can to slip it into conversations here and there.
[10:28] <mark76> Does anyone know how to use xprop to find widget class
[10:30] <bioterror> sorry mark, no clue about that one
[10:41] <jscinoz> I've just installed Lubuntu, and upon logging in the menu is empty, but for "Run" and "Logout". Clicking "Run"  simply restarts the panel.... If i switch to tty1 login, and logout, the menu is populated when i switch back to tty7... Any idea why the   menu is empty on first login?
[10:43] <phillw> jscinoz: I've never come across that one, sorry. Did you self-check the cd before you installed?
[10:43] <jscinoz> phillw: was a netboot install.
[10:43]  * bioterror feels something didnt go well with fetching packages
[10:44] <phillw> jscinoz: I know the instructions work, I'm heading along with bioterror on this one, something got corrupt on the way to you.
[10:45] <bioterror> maybe apt-get purge and reinstallation, and giving some rm -rf to subfolders inside .config
[10:46] <jscinoz> which packages shall i reinstall?
[10:46] <phillw> jscinoz: it "shouldn't" happen when downloading, but it's all I think of as well.
[10:52] <phillw> jscinoz: we're not ignoring you, just having a chat about it :)
[10:54] <bioterror> jscinoz, apt-get purge abiword abiword-common abiword-plugin-grammar abiword-plugin-mathview ace-of-penguins aqualung arj cheese cheese-common chromium-browser chromium-browser-inspector chromium-browser-l10n chromium-codecs-ffmpeg elementary-icon-theme esound-clients esound-common galculator gdebi gdebi-core giblib1 gnome-mplayer gnumeric gnumeric-common gnumeric-doc gpicview hal hal-info hardinfo
[10:54] <bioterror> leafpad libabiword-2.8 libaiksaurus-1.2-0c2a libaiksaurus-1.2-data libaiksaurusgtk-1.2-0c2a libaudio2 libaudiofile0 libavcodec52 libavformat52 libavutil50 libcddb2 libcompfaceg1 libdca0 libdirectfb-1.2-9 libdiscid0 libdvdnav4 libdvdread4 libenca0 libesd0 libexo-0.3-0 libexo-common libfm-gtk0 libfm0 libgdome2-0 libgdome2-cpp-smart0c2a libgif4 libgoffice-0.8-8 libgoffice-0.8-8-common libgringotts2
[10:54] <bioterror> libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common libgsm1 libgtkmathview0c2a libhal-storage1 libhal1 libid3tag0 libifp4 libimlib2 libjpeg-progs libjpeg8 liblink-grammar4 libloudmouth1-0 liblrdf0 liblzo2-2 libmad0 libmcrypt4 libmenu-cache1 libmhash2 libmodplug1 libmp3lame0 libmpcdec6 libmusicbrainz3-6 libobparser21 libobrender21 liboggz2 libonig2 libopenal1 libots0 libpisock9 libpostproc51 libpsiconv6 librpm1 librpmbuild1
[10:54] <bioterror> librpmio1 libschroedinger-1.0-0 libsexy2 libsvga1 libswscale0 libtar libthunar-vfs-1-2 libts-0.0-0 libuniconf4.6 libva1 libvdpau1 libvpx0 libwv-1.2-3 libwvstreams4.6-base libwvstreams4.6-extras libx264-98 libxfce4util-bin libxfce4util-common libxfce4util4 libxfcegui4-4 libxfconf-0-2 libxvidcore4 link-grammar-dictionaries-en lubuntu-artwork lubuntu-core lubuntu-def
[10:54] <bioterror> :D
[10:54] <bioterror> hahaha
[10:54] <bioterror> nice
[10:54] <bioterror> I should have !pastebin myself
[10:54] <phillw> !pastebin | bioterror
[10:54] <phillw> lol
[10:55] <bioterror> :-)
[10:55] <bioterror> would you phillw add lubuntu-ppa?
[10:55] <jscinoz> thanks bioterror i'll give it a shot
[10:56] <bioterror> just remove anything with apt-get purge
[10:56] <bioterror> purge removes configs
[10:56] <bioterror> that's the smartest way to try remove this problem
[10:56] <bioterror> so that we can get fresh configs
[10:57] <bioterror> jscinoz, hey. do you have old hardware or why did you use netinstall?
[10:57] <bioterror> if I may ask
[10:57] <phillw> for minimal install, (netboot) I know that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall which does add the lubuntu-ppa, there are a couple of things still only on the lubuntu ppa.
[10:57] <jscinoz> bioterror: oldhardware, no cd drive, and incapable of usb boot
[10:57] <bioterror> oh
[10:58] <phillw> jscinoz: did you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall ?
[10:58] <bioterror> you're a macgyver! ;D
[10:58] <jscinoz> No... I just did it from memory, using the normal ubuntu kernel and initrd image
[10:58] <phillw> it is possible you didn't add the lubuntu-ppa.
[10:59] <jscinoz> ill check..
[10:59] <jscinoz> whats the PPA url?
[11:00] <bioterror> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
[11:00] <jscinoz> could you just give me the line
[11:00] <jscinoz> soi can add it to sources.list which i've already got open in vim
[11:00] <jscinoz> >_<
[11:00] <bioterror> you need also the key
[11:00] <bioterror> and that fetches it
[11:00] <phillw> jscinoz: it's covered at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[11:00] <jscinoz> This is why i don't use *ubuntu on my own machines anymore, too much abstraction to try make thigns easy. (this machine is for a client >_<)
[11:00] <jscinoz> bioterror: key id?
[11:01] <jscinoz> oh forget it.. i'll use the damn tool
[11:18] <jscinoz> hmmm
[11:18] <jscinoz> adding the ppa didnt help, i'll reinstall all those pacakges now....
[12:30] <phillw> ed by it
[12:32] <llogiq> re. Sorry for offlining a lot, but I do read the channel logs once I return. phillw: Any idea where to share the nvidia backlight helper?
[12:36] <jonathan> Hi all
[12:37] <jonathan> I would like to know how to configure the keyboard layout with openbox ?
[12:40] <phillw> llogiq: I'd suggest putting onto the mailing list, which I think you have done?
[12:41] <phillw> jonathan: I'm sure there is lxkeyboard in the preferences area?
[12:41] <phillw> although I could be wrong.
[12:42] <jscinoz> bioterror: i've reinstalled alll those packages and rebooted. didn't fix it
[12:42] <jonathan> yes there is something in the preferences menu for the mouse and the keyboard
[12:43] <jonathan> but it's not possible to set the layout
[12:44] <phillw> jonathan: I have a sneaky feeling it is a bug. if gilir has not collapsed into a coma with jet lag from the UDS, maybe he can help?
[12:46] <gilir> phillw, jonathan, the only way to modify the keyboard layout with a GUI is to install lxkeymap, it's in the Lubuntu PPA for 10.10
[12:48] <jonathan> gilir, thanks could you give me the PPA address to add it on my computer ?
[12:50] <jonathan> gilir, this one ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa §
[12:51] <gilir> jonathan, yes
[12:54] <llogiq> phillw, the last thing I put on the lxde-mailing list was a patch for lxpanel.
[12:54] <jonathan> gilir phillw, thanks it fixed the problem !
[12:57] <phillw> llogiq: best place to put stuff is on the mailing list. Now Julien is back from UDS he will get chance to review stuff, there's possibly another iso build on the way as gvfs-backends got missed from the last one and it menas pcmanfm cannot see windows shares. But that is a decision for Julien as to when / if he wants / has time to make a new iso.
[13:04] <llogiq> phillw, will do. Btw, how do I enable audio volume hotkeys? The modmap generates the correct keycodes.
[13:05]  * phillw is sure bioterror knows this one !!!!!
[13:06] <jonathan> and why synaptic is not run with the root rights ?
[13:06] <jonathan> it even doesn't ask the password ...
[13:08] <phillw> jonathan: linux does not allow root access by default, if a programme needs admin privalidges, it has to ask the user. Only if that user has admin rights will it run.
[13:09] <jonathan> phillw, yes I know
[13:09] <jonathan> in fact by using the menu to launch synaptic it asks me the password
[13:09] <phillw> ypu :)
[13:09] <phillw> Yup :)
[13:10] <phillw> if you set up computer and don't want them to break it, set them up as non admin person :D
[13:11] <jonathan> but when I launch synaptic from my apps bar it doesn't propose me to enter the password and I can only use synaptic to browse the packages
[13:13] <jonathan> phillw, it's may be a problem of localisation ...
[13:14] <jonathan> I have several shortcuts for synaptic
[13:14] <jonathan> the shortcuts in French doesn't launch the synaptic with all the priviledges
[13:15] <jonathan> but the shortcut in english it works normally
[13:15] <phillw> ahhh.... that may the issue, I'm used to the peculiar way it runs but tend to use apt-get :)
[13:16] <phillw> jonathan: then you need to chat with Julien when he gets some sleep and recovers from the transatlantic flight from USA --> France following the Ubuntu Developer's Summit :)
[13:18] <phillw> jonathan: I know little bugs are extremely annoying, but that one can be sorted as Julien is French and our head developer :D
[13:20] <jonathan> phillw, thanks for your help
[13:21] <jonathan> I'm trying lubuntu and for the moment I have a good impression of it
[13:22] <phillw> jonathan: come join us in #lubuntu-offtopic
[13:24] <jonathan> phillw, ok
[13:44] <jscinoz> Hi... i just installed lubuntu on a very old laptop... For some reason xorg is shifted about a centimetre to the right... any ideas why?
[13:45] <bioterror> huh
[13:45] <bioterror> you're not getting this one easy
[13:45] <slooksterpsv> jscinoz: could you explain shifted? do you mean like you have a larger black space on the left than the right (like entire monitor isn't being used)?
[13:46] <bioterror> I'm kinda busy as my parents-in-law blasted in here
[13:54] <jscinoz> slooksterpsv: no, like the whole thing got pushed to the right, then it wraps around
[13:54] <jscinoz> slooksterpsv: theres no black space
[13:55] <slooksterpsv> so like screen starts at A and ends at Z - like this then?
[13:55] <slooksterpsv> xyz|abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvw
[13:55] <jscinoz> yeah pretty much
[13:56] <slooksterpsv> jscinoz: lubuntu 10.10 or 10.04?
[13:57] <jscinoz> slooksterpsv: 10.10
[13:57] <jscinoz> slooksterpsv: the graphics card is "Intel 82830 CGC"
[14:01] <slooksterpsv> ok let's try a few things, could I have you click on LXDE button -> Accessories -> LXTerminal  - and paste the output in a pastebin (http://paste.ubuntu.com) from the following command: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:03] <slooksterpsv> when you select the output in the terminal you will have to click - drag and drop then right-click and copy
[14:05] <jscinoz> slooksterpsv: you dont need to tell me the basics :P I'm writing to you from my gentoo laptop (the lubuntu machine is a very old laptop)
[14:05] <slooksterpsv> oh alrighty sorry about that jscinoz
[14:06] <slooksterpsv> jscinoz: pretty much post #9 on this page is what I'd like to try to put into xorg: http://lovinglinux.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7529099
[14:06] <jscinoz> np, give me a second to pastebin it, gotta manually configure the network on this thing, using proxy_arp on my laptop..
[14:06] <jscinoz> xorg.conf is empty other than a device section with a single directive: Driver "intel"
[14:07] <slooksterpsv> we can try these then as options: Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
[14:07] <slooksterpsv> Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
[14:07] <slooksterpsv> Option "ExaNoComposite" "false"
[14:07] <jscinoz> slooksterpsv: give me a second, i'll try the advice on that page
[14:08] <jscinoz> slooksterpsv: hang on one moment...
[14:10] <jscinoz> slooksterpsv: nope, that didn't help :(
[14:10] <slooksterpsv> jscinoz: alrighty so you added that and restarted, same thing
[14:10] <jscinoz> slooksterpsv: note that changing to another resolution, then back to the display's native resolution fixes it... but only temporarily. It comes back at the next boot
[14:10] <slooksterpsv> jscinoz: are there any updates for the kernel or that on that machne when running updates?
[14:11] <slooksterpsv> jscinoz: that makes sense
[14:11] <jscinoz> but I need it to actually work correctly at boot >_<
[14:14] <slooksterpsv> this one may be out of my league on this one, myself personally, hmmm lemme see if I can dig up something of more help
[14:15] <phillw> jscinoz: can you re-state the problem, one of the people who may be help has just joined the room.
[14:15] <slooksterpsv> hyperair: what info would you like? it's lubuntu 10.10, intel 82830 csc graphics, a change of resolution back and forth fixes the issue... hmmm we tried making changes in xorg for exa and that
[14:15] <jscinoz> Basically the display is slightly misaligned, everything is shifted by 1cm to the right, and the display wraps around
[14:17] <slooksterpsv> hmm looks like adding: i915.modeset=0  to your grub is a possible fix... can't verify though
[14:19] <jscinoz> disabling modesetting is not an optoin with current kernels FYI
[14:20] <jscinoz> the intel driver deprecated support for userspace modesetting in .34 or .35 IIRC
[14:20] <slooksterpsv> jscinoz: I did not know that, I apologize
[14:20] <jscinoz> np
[14:22] <llogiq> bioterror, I'll get back to you with my audio question later. Hsve a nice time with your in-laws.
[14:22] <llogiq> cu folks.
[14:22] <jscinoz> Hmm... well i'm going to head to bed, I'll have enough crack at these two laptops tomorrow...
[14:22] <jscinoz> Thanks for the help phillw and slooksterpsv :)
[14:23] <slooksterpsv> I apologize I couldn't be more help
[14:23] <phillw> jscinoz: you may want to try 10.04
[14:24] <jscinoz> phillw: maybe...  but using an outdated version isn't really satisfactory
[14:24] <slooksterpsv> jscinoz: 10.04 is lts though
[14:25] <phillw> jscinoz: 10.04 is not outdated and the team are commited to support it fully up to date for 5 years.
[14:26] <jscinoz> perhaps... either way i cant really do anything right now... i'll have to give it a shot tomorrow... or well, later today
[14:26] <slooksterpsv> alright we'll see you then :D
[14:26] <jscinoz> but switching to 10.04 would just mean sticking with an old kernel using userspace modesetting
[14:26] <jscinoz> yeah bye for now :) *afk*
[14:26] <slooksterpsv> jscinoz: you can get the 2.6.35 kernel from a  ppa
[14:26] <phillw> jscinoz: the 10.04 kernel is also supported for 5 years.
[14:27] <jscinoz> Perhaps...
[14:28] <jscinoz> if all else fails, i'll just do something stupidly hackish and put two calls to xrandr in the user's xsession
[16:17] <jacobw> o/
[16:17] <bioterror> jacobw, you want to make searches in apt repositories?
[16:17] <jacobw> yeah
[16:17] <bioterror> okay
[16:17] <bioterror> let's open terminal
[16:17] <bioterror> what you want to find?
[16:18] <jacobw> ah, no i was just asking whether it is possible to enable to quick search field in synaptic
[16:18] <phillw> bioterror: the quick search is disbaled by default in lubuntu, he wishes to manually that package back on.
[16:18] <jacobw> i know how to use apt-cache search
[16:18] <phillw> I saw it on the forum area many months ago, but it'd take some digging out
[16:19] <bioterror> oki then
[16:19] <jacobw> it's not that important really, i can just use the search dialogue
[16:20] <phillw> jacobw: I'll go dig it up, but it may be a while :)
[16:21] <jacobw> thanks
[16:26] <phillw> jacobw<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:26] <phillw> and does seem to have been assigned to me, my bad. If confirm it works I'll document it up.
[16:27] <phillw> I have a sneaky feeling I was awaiting confirmation before writing it up.
[16:27] <jacobw> that must have taken some digging up!
[16:27] <jacobw> thanks again
[16:28] <head_victim> I dislike xapian. I'm glad not to have it :)
[16:29] <head_victim> For 3 releases now it all of a sudden just grabs 100% of my cpu and won't let at least once a week.
[16:29] <phillw> jacobw: you only need to click on the magnifying glass to the right & you can then search anyway.
[16:29] <jacobw> yeah i know
[16:30] <phillw> jacobw: it was a design decision which head_victim has just alluded to for us not to have it by default, on low spec computers it can cause chaos. (chaos == make them think their computer has hung)
[16:43] <JoeMaverickSett> apt-xapian-index alone doesn't work, need libept-dev as well.
[16:44] <JoeMaverickSett> phillw: ^
[16:45] <phillw> does it then work? I do recall seeing it many months ago on the forum area, but I've slept since then
[16:45] <JoeMaverickSett> phillw: then it does. :)
[16:47] <phillw> JoeMaverickSett: okies, I'll post it to the mailing list, once I have confirmation I'll add it to the wiki area.
[16:47] <JoeMaverickSett> phillw: okie.
[17:47] <Goodgame> hello
[17:48] <Goodgame> I've got some problems with lubuntu (I've installed it yesterday)
[17:48] <bioterror> tell us your problems
[17:48] <bioterror> we'll if we can help, usually we can
[17:48] <Goodgame> :)
[17:49] <bioterror> +see ;)
[17:50] <Goodgame> in fact it's a graphic problem, when I put chromium on a big size, it does'nt appear properly until I moove something on the window
[17:50] <bioterror> could be related to graphics driver or something
[17:51] <Goodgame> when it have a full page, and I click on the buttom tu reduc it, it works but the picture of the fullpage chromium remains on the background until I put a windows on it
[17:51] <Goodgame> I think so too bioterror
[17:51] <Goodgame> (btw sorry for my bad english)
[17:52] <bioterror> well, mine aint that good neither
[17:52] <Goodgame> you speak french?
[17:52] <bioterror> nope
[17:52] <bioterror> except "merd"
[17:53] <bioterror> :D
[17:53] <Goodgame> merde
[17:53] <Goodgame> :)
[17:53] <bioterror> oh
[17:53] <bioterror> it was close
[17:53] <Goodgame> yeah
[17:53] <Goodgame> so, what can I  do for my graphical problem.
[17:53] <bioterror> and I like to watch those Alizee videos
[17:54] <bioterror> well, I'm thinking what could be done
[17:54] <bioterror> what kind of hardware you running?
[17:54] <Goodgame> dual core, 2G of ram, gforce 8600MGS
[17:56] <bioterror> you could try this: nvidia-glx-180 - Transitional package for nvidia-glx-185
[17:56] <bioterror> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/nvidia-glx-180
[17:58] <Goodgame> how do I get it?
[17:58] <Goodgame> I'm a kinda noob on lubuntu (ran ubuntu for a year but a long time ago)
[17:58] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[18:00] <Goodgame> is there a risk to bring problems?
[18:01] <bioterror> well, you have so fresh installation?-)
[18:01] <Goodgame> excuse me, don't understand
[18:01] <bioterror> ofcourse there can be some problems
[18:01] <bioterror> you never know
[18:01] <bioterror> but I assume that since you have installed your lubuntu yesterday, you dont have much information there. right?
[18:02] <bioterror> you can easily start from the scratch
[18:02] <bioterror> if something goes totally wrooong
[18:02] <Goodgame> ok I'll try it
[18:05] <Goodgame> bioterror, lubuntu is kinda new isn't it?
[18:07] <hblount> hi. can i create a usb install on this lubuntu laptop with a ubuntu image to create an ubuntu install on a usb drive for mac os x?
[18:13] <Goodgame> hblount, why couldn't you?
[18:14] <hblount> so im using Lubuntu to create a Ubuntu usb install
[18:16] <hblount> it is an Ubuntu image for mac os x
[18:18] <Goodgame> you want to install ubnutu as a program on mac osx?
[18:19] <hblount> no. i want to create an install on a usb drive to use on a mac laptop. dont want to install on the mac
[18:20] <Goodgame> I'm not sure that installing ubuntu on a macbook is different than installing it on a pc
[18:20] <hblount> well apparently there's a different file for the iso for macs
[18:20] <Goodgame> well didn't know
[18:21] <Goodgame> don't you just have to put the iso on your usb drive and boot on it?
[18:23] <hblount> i think formats are different on linux and mac, when i put lubuntu usb install in the mac, it didnt recognize and asked me to format
[18:24] <hblount> i also want an install of the OS on the usb drive so i can save settings and files
[18:24] <Goodgame> hblount, you've gotta boot on it, not just try to launch it when your on mac OSX
[18:24] <hblount> i did and it didnt work and i checked it in mac osx after
[18:25] <hblount> i dont think lubuntu works on macs. at least not without the normal usb install. but ubuntu has mac version
[18:26] <bioterror> hmmm
[18:26] <bioterror> but you can run X11 on OS X
[18:26] <bioterror> why you want to run ubuntu tbqh
[18:26] <Goodgame> I dunno mac, but it is just a pc a little bit differet
[18:27] <bioterror> Goodgame, and yes, lubunt is new project
[18:27] <hblount> i would rather run lubuntu but i tried and it didnt work. maybe im just retarded and did it wrong
[18:27] <hblount> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/maverick/release/
[18:27] <hblount> that webpage shows different isos for different computers
[18:28] <Goodgame> hblount, man it is a live cd
[18:28] <llogiq> hi again. bioterror, phillw said you might know how to enable audio volume hotkeys in lubuntu 10.04?
[18:28] <Goodgame> you just put the iso on your dvd/usb drive and boot on it
[18:29] <bioterror> llogiq, did he say something like that
[18:29] <bioterror> damn you phillw ;D
[18:29] <llogiq> So, is he right?
[18:29] <bioterror> well
[18:29] <llogiq> :-)
[18:29] <hblount> maybe i will just do that. but i said i wanted a full install on the usb drive so i can save files and settings
[18:29] <bioterror> llogiq, what kind of laptop are you running+
[18:30] <llogiq> Samsung N510. And xev shows the correct key codes are emitted, btw.
[18:30] <bioterror> oh yes
[18:30] <bioterror> I had a hint about that
[18:32] <llogiq> Well, first, which package should be responsible for the hotkeys?
[18:33] <llogiq> I mean openbox can bind them, but then some program must set the volume.
[18:33] <bioterror> just a moment
[18:33] <bioterror> https://launchpad.net/samsung-tools
[18:34] <bioterror> http://www.voria.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=296
[18:34] <bioterror> samsung-scripts (only for K/Ubuntu 9.10 - Karmic Koala)
[18:34] <bioterror> Enable the FN keys (more info and instructions on how to enable and use them here).
[18:36] <stlsaint> sup folks
[18:36] <bioterror> nothing much
[18:37] <llogiq> bioterror: Running a full python interpreter just to get audio working? Isn't that a bit much?
[18:39] <bioterror> if it works, no?
[18:39] <stlsaint> hrm, yea that is a bit much :P
[18:39] <stlsaint> ever time you need audio you must run python scripts
[18:41] <bioterror> well, I dunno. I use Dell's and Stinkpads and I've never had any problems with fn-combinations
[18:47] <Goodgame> hey major problem bioterror :D
[18:48] <stlsaint> bioterror: hehe, we use dell at work, i was able to convince my commanding officer to let me use one of them for linux W00T!
[18:48] <Goodgame> i just installed your packages, but now my resolution is 800*600 and I can't make it higher in my monitor settings
[18:48] <stlsaint> bioterror has packages??
[18:48] <Goodgame> no
[18:48] <stlsaint> sudo apt-get install bioterror-ppa?
[18:48] <bioterror> :D
[18:49] <slooksterpsv> sudo apt-get destroy bioterror-ppa && sudo apt-get purge bioterror-ppa && sudo apt-get block bioterror-ppa && sudo firewall block bioterror-ppa
[18:49] <stlsaint> i never seem to have these issues that others have...video/sound etc
[18:49] <bioterror> Goodgame, but that problem disappeared? :D
[18:49] <slooksterpsv> wrong chat room haha thought this was OT - sorry all
[18:49] <Goodgame> bioterror, I'm with a 800*600, how can I change it
[18:49] <bioterror> Goodgame, well.. we'll come back to that later
[18:49] <bioterror> but do you still have that problem
[18:50] <bioterror> :D
[18:50] <slooksterpsv> btw that was a joke about the dstroy purge block etc. like I said wrong chatroom I apologize :(
[18:50] <Goodgame> bioterror, ??
[18:51] <bioterror> Goodgame, you had that problem with browser. do you still have it?
[18:51] <Goodgame> no
[18:52] <bioterror> niiice, problem solved
[18:52] <bioterror> next you have to a little thing
[18:52] <bioterror> we have to kill X and make a config file, it's like walking in a park
[18:52] <bioterror> first you press ctrl+alt+f1, then you log into TTY1
[18:52] <bioterror> you say "sudo service stop gdm"
[18:52] <bioterror> then "Xorg -configure"
[18:52] <Goodgame> I gotta reboot, come back in 2 min
[18:53] <bioterror> noooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[18:53] <bioterror> :D
[18:53] <stlsaint> lol
[18:53] <stlsaint> dont you hate that
[18:53] <bioterror> well
[18:53] <stlsaint> pfftt...i hate it :P
[18:53] <bioterror> my wife has some sort of problems with facebook chat
[18:53] <bioterror> and she restarted computer
[18:53] <bioterror> and I had to say "hey, you're not running windows" :D
[18:54] <stlsaint> hehe, yea that took some time getting used to, my internet just drops out sometimes and i use /etc/init.d to restart gdm without rebooting
[18:54] <bioterror>  /etc/init.d/gdm restart is wwwwrroooong
[18:55] <bioterror> you have to use that service ;)
[18:55] <stlsaint> bioterror: im old fashioned :P
[18:55] <bioterror> yeah, sometimes I find myself looking for /etc/rc.d/ ;)
[18:56] <stlsaint> hehe, ol rc
[18:56] <bioterror> I still have some daemon blood in my veins :D
[18:56] <stlsaint> i try to get in the habbit of using service now
[18:57] <Goodgame> ok bioterror you won't believe me
[18:57] <bioterror> I wont
[18:58] <bioterror> is your graphics kicking ass?
[18:58] <Goodgame> after this reboot, I'm back in 1440*900 but the graphic probleme is back too
[18:58] <bioterror> hmm
[18:59] <bioterror> I need to think
[18:59] <bioterror> :D
[19:00] <Goodgame> and in synaptics nvidia-180 is green :D
[19:02] <bioterror> that problem only occurs with chromium?
[19:03] <Goodgame> guess so
[19:03] <Goodgame> gonna eat
[19:04] <Goodgame> thanks for your help
[19:04] <Goodgame> may come back later
[19:06] <leszek> hi
[20:21] <llogiq> hi again. I think a good way to grant my wish of having volume hotkeys would be extending lxpanelctl to export vol+/-/mute.
[20:23] <llogiq> Since the lxpanel audio plugin already has this kind of functionality, it seems apt to re-use it.
[20:24] <Goodgame> hi, when I wann install xscreensaver-gl-extras it tells me "E: Unable to locate package xscreensaver-gl-extras"    where does this problem come from?
[20:24] <szczur> xscreensaver-gl-extra
[20:24] <szczur> without s
[20:25] <Goodgame> szczur, accoarding to what says my screensaver settings menu there is an s
[20:26] <szczur> yes, but the package is named xscreensaver-gl-extra
[20:26] <szczur> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/xscreensaver-gl-extra
[20:30] <Goodgame> szczur, this is weird, cause my setting program says "this probably means that the "xscreensaver-extras" and "xscreensaver-gl-extras" packages are not installer
[20:30] <Goodgame> -r+d
[20:30] <szczur> maybe it's a typo in the program
[20:31] <szczur> the package is named xscreensaver-gl-extra
[20:31] <szczur> as you see on the webpage
[20:31] <szczur> so sudo apt-get install xscreensaver-gl-extra
[20:31] <szczur> and you're done :)
[20:31] <Goodgame> szczur, another problem, i'm supposed to get a package "xscreensaver-extras" (or without s) but none of them exists
[20:32] <Goodgame> hum
[20:32] <hosoka> hello
[20:32] <hosoka> is there someone that knows how to convert mp4 to dvd mpeg ?
[20:32] <szczur> only packages i'm able to found are xscreensaver-gl-extra and xscreensaver-data-extra
[20:33] <szczur> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xscreensaver+extra&searchon=names&suite=lucid&section=all
[20:33] <Kurdistan> szcur, in lubuntu 10.04 I think pcmiautils was not autostarted, but in 10.10 it is. Thats good or bad?
[20:33] <Goodgame> szczur, thx it works
[20:34] <szczur> Kurdistan, dunno
[20:34] <Kurdistan> :) okey. I like to tweak to get extra speed at upstart.
[20:34] <Kurdistan> so I often take look whats autostarting or not :P
[20:34] <szczur> pcmcia cards are the cards for laptops
[20:35] <szczur> Kurdistan, i recommend rcconf
[20:35] <Kurdistan> szcur, yeah I know. I have tested unmark them, and did not get any trouble. Last time I tested.
[20:35] <szczur> http://szczur.ath.cx/rcconf.png
[20:36] <hosoka> anyone does converting videos ?
[20:36] <hosoka> mp4 to mpeg ? which program for /
[20:36] <Kurdistan> szcur cool. rcconf is like sysv-rc-conf?
[20:38] <szczur> don't know :)
[20:39] <Yorvyk> hosoka,  I think handbrake does that
[20:39] <szczur> hosoka, http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-screencast-encode
[20:39] <szczur> or handbrake :)
[20:39] <hosoka> ok, I will check it.
[20:39] <Kurdistan> szcur, rcconf is cool tool. like sysv-rc.conf.
[20:39] <Kurdistan> thx
[20:45] <hosoka> what is the favorite in encoding video ?
[20:55] <Yorvyk> hosoka, not something I do but, people I know that work with video usually recommend handbrake
[20:56] <hosoka> ok, I will check that also out.
[21:01] <llogiq> digging in the lxpanel source shows that alsavolume is a dynamically loaded plugin. The messaging from lxpanelctl is done via XAtoms, so I'd either need to extend the alsavolume plugin to listen to x-events or add a function to the panel to a) find the plugin and if it exists b) tell it to change volume/mute.
[21:06] <llogiq> cu folks.
[21:23] <hblount> hi. i am trying to make a startup usb disk to use on a mac laptop. i got the powerpc version of ubuntu, but i cant load it on the startup disk creator app (i can load other isos). regular ubuntu and lubuntu dont work on macs. anyone know why i cant get startup disk creator to load up powerpc ubuntu iso?
[21:23] <Goodgame> poor hblount
[21:23] <Goodgame> I wish I could help you
[21:24] <phillw> hblount: there is an older version of xubuntu that will work okay with PPC chips.
[21:26] <phillw> hblount: you can either stick with that as your kernel, else I can get the link for the mini-iso (network install) for the PPC chips and then pop lubuntu back on to it.
[21:26] <hblount> well apparently this iso is for powerpc's (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/maverick/release/) but i just cant get startup disk creator to load it. it sees it when i am browsing to choose iso, but nothing loads when i click open
[21:29] <phillw> hblount: let me go look through the mini iso collection, it will be a few minutes.
[21:30] <hblount> phillw: no. i give up. i dont need to do this that bad
[21:30] <hblount> thanks though
[21:31] <phillw> hblount: it's what we're here for :)
[21:33] <hblount> i love lubuntu. and im new to linux and dont know shit but its great
[21:34] <phillw> hblount: I can't lay my hand on the link. head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=328 and they will help you. I got it all running on a 7+ old mac.
[21:35] <phillw> hblount: if you feel you are not being answered, come back and nag me - I'll go grab one of their team to help you :)
[21:35] <phillw> *7+ year old Mac*
[21:37] <hblount> phillw: cool thanks :-D
[21:38] <phillw> hblount: xubuntu does support PPC, I know. and you can switch it over to lubuntu if you so desire.
[21:44] <hblount> lubuntu runs great on my crap laptop 1.5 celeron M 512mb ram
[21:52] <hblount> hey is it involved and complicated to try to get buttons on my laptop to work with lubuntu? like the power button/email button. also i want to be able to use side to side scroll thing on touchpad. all these things worked for ubuntu automatic before when i was using ubuntu.
[21:56] <phillw> hblount: my scroll bar works fine in lubuntu?
[21:56] <hblount> my scroll up/down works but not side/side
[21:56] <hblount> left/right or whatever
[22:01] <phillw> hblount: I've not got a sideways scroll bar.
[22:02] <hblount> phillw: me either right now :P they're great for some things
[22:04] <phillw> hblount: ask on the mailing list, you'd need to see if some one else has a horizontal scroll bar.
[22:13] <Guest> Hi all
[22:14] <mark76> Hello. How may they help you? :)
[22:15] <Guest> No help needed yet, but thanks
[22:15] <Guest> :-)
[22:15] <Guest> cya later, bye