[04:52] <Shadowpillar> rob_: unless they patch it with some of the new features found in newer releases, you're SOL
[04:52] <leo_mx> why i cant compile in C even when i gcc package is installed?
[04:52] <goldfish> misfit-toy: em, hmm, apt-cache search "gkrellm" maybe...
[04:52] <Shadowpillar> rob_: OR
[04:52] <rob_> grab from source
[04:52] <rob_> :P
[04:52] <rob_> I know
[04:52] <rob_> step ahead of you
[04:52] <Shadowpillar> rob_: you could uninstall the ubuntu gaim and get the deb from the gaim website ;X
[04:52] <grover> I was looking for gkrellm themes today too. maybe it has something with gkrellm being so ugly be default
[04:52] <IIIEars> rob_ does GAIM do transparency yet? (crosses fingers)
[04:52] <rob_> IIIEars, maybe why don't you check :P
[04:52] <goldfish> grover: indeed
[04:53] <goldfish> misfit-toy: other than that google for them
[04:53] <misfit-toy> goldfish, thanks, that didn't do it, but yeah, I am new to aptget, thanks.
[04:53] <rob_> i might just grab gaim source
[04:53] <rob_> overall this is nice.
[04:54] <rob_> theme is nice on the eyes
[04:54] <goldfish> misfit-toy: no problem
[04:54] <goldfish> there might not be a themes package
[04:54] <goldfish> u just have to get em yourself :)
[04:54] <Shadowpillar> can I install ubuntu hoary over debian woody?
[04:54] <rob_> mmm blackjack
[04:54] <Shadowpillar> by doing apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:54] <Shadowpillar> I want to upgrade my powermac
[04:55] <fossa> where is there a list of all the stuff i can 'apt-get' ?
[04:55] <goldfish> fossa: lol
[04:55] <goldfish> fossa: em, open up synaptic
[04:55] <IIIEars> rob_ - this is GNOME overlay your desk with whatever you want on everything. - be careful if you are married. - lol
[04:55] <goldfish> fossa: there is loads and loads of stuff
[04:55] <rob_> IIIEars, i'm married to my left hand :P
[04:55] <goldfish> eeeeeeeeew
[04:55] <rob_> j/k
[04:55] <rob_> :P
[04:56] <rob_> I *love* the reaction i just got :P
[04:56] <goldfish> :)
[04:56] <IIIEars> been there..
[04:56] <IIIEars> much cheaper than marriage.
[04:56] <goldfish> wb _Church_of_Foamy
[04:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> thanx
[04:56] <fossa> search for xfce in synaptic turnsup nothing
[04:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> i am still trying to figure out what i want to do
[04:56] <goldfish> fossa: have you added multiverse and universe?
[04:56] <rob_> hmm
[04:57] <_Church_of_Foamy> i don't know if i want to install ubuntu cd or keep the kubuntu cd
[04:57] <Obake> hi
[04:57] <_Church_of_Foamy> i swear theres some busted stuff in here
[04:57] <Obake> Hi everybody
[04:57] <goldfish> hi
[04:57] <fossa> no
[04:57] <goldfish> fossa: well you need to add them :)
[04:57] <goldfish> !repositories
[04:58] <Obake> does anyone know how to access Windows partition from Ubuntu ?
[04:58] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:58] <IIIEars> Hi Obake
[04:58] <Obake> hi IIIEars ;)
[04:58] <goldfish> fossa: that link there
[04:58] <rob_> ubotu, check google, it knows
[04:58] <ubotu> rob_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:58] <fossa> ok
[04:58] <rob_> "mounting windows partitions under linux"
[04:58] <rob_> google that
[04:58] <Obake> ok
[04:58] <goldfish> Obake: www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:58] <IIIEars> ubotu google
[04:58] <ubotu> methinks google is the world's most comprehensive search engine, or http://www.google.com
[04:59] <Obake> I didin't find it in ubuntuguide.org
[04:59] <goldfish> Obake: its there :)
[04:59] <goldfish> one sec
[04:59] <Obake> how could I know if I am using Ext2 or Ext3 ?
[04:59] <rob_> /etc/fstab will tell you
[05:00] <Obake> ok. ;)
[05:00] <bignose__> so.. i read the wiki on dual head setup.. it aint working tho ;)
[05:00] <Shadowpillar> rob_: could also use the autopackage version, just won't be recognised by apt ;P
[05:00] <rob_> never touched autopackage
[05:00] <Shadowpillar> it's nice
[05:00] <comfrey> Obake: typr "mount"
[05:00] <goldfish> Obake: www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[05:00] <Shadowpillar> automated installer stuff
[05:00] <goldfish> fossa: cool
[05:01] <thedaemon> hello
[05:01] <goldfish> hi
[05:01] <Jet2k5> Hello, I was here earlier about my internet problems, who can lend me a hand?
[05:01] <Shadowpillar> rob_: well even download autopackage for you if you dont have it installed
[05:01] <Obake> Thanks everybody !! :)
[05:01] <goldfish> Jet2k5: what problems you got?
[05:01] <thedaemon> Mind if I ask a newbie question?
[05:01] <ben0ne> just ask
[05:01] <goldfish> thedaemon: thats what the channel is for
[05:01] <Jet2k5> Gog: internet has stopped working
[05:01] <Shadowpillar> can I install ubuntu hoary over debian woody? using apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[05:01] <Jet2k5> I think it might be as far as DNS goes
[05:02] <goldfish> Shadowpillar: it will be very messy
[05:02] <thedaemon> as soon as grub boots, and from that point on my cdrom drive no longer works. any ideas?
[05:02] <ben0ne> Shadowpillar yes
[05:02] <goldfish> afaik
[05:02] <Jet2k5> when I try to connect to something it says that " temporary failure in name resolution "
[05:02] <thedaemon> its been forever and a year since I have messed with linux :P
[05:02] <comfrey> Jet2k5: can you ping the gateway?
[05:02] <Jet2k5> but I can still ping physical addresses
[05:02] <gamemastax`> Hey guys
[05:02] <Jet2k5> I can ping my own ip address
[05:02] <Jet2k5> <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:02] <rob_> Obake, you got it?
[05:02] <gamemastax`> Jet2k5... wow...
[05:02] <goldfish> hi gamemastax`
[05:02] <gamemastax`> That's not the first thing i want to see when i enter a chat room
[05:02] <rob_> Obake, you can't do read/write on ntfs
[05:03] <gamemastax`> Hey everyone ^^
[05:03] <comfrey> yeah Jet2k5, well that does not mean mutch...,
[05:03] <rob_> currently it's only read-only
[05:03] <Jet2k5> or <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:03] <goldfish> you can write to it
[05:03] <comfrey> Jet2k5: check your /etc/resolv.conf
[05:03] <goldfish> its experimental though
[05:03] <Obake> ROB: I am still readin about mounting at Ubuntuguide ;)
[05:03] <gamemastax`> Hey, I'm trying to get linux to see my ntfs partition
[05:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> does esd create any sort of virtualized /dev entry??
[05:03] <Jet2k5> comfrey: yeah.. what's suppose to be there
[05:03] <Jet2k5> I can't make changes to it unless I add the -i option to it
[05:03] <gamemastax`> Can someone give me some help or a tutorial or something
[05:03] <comfrey> Jet2k5: nameserver addresses
[05:03] <rob_> mount -t ntfs  /dev/hda# /mnt/whatever
[05:03] <goldfish> gamemastax`: www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[05:03] <Jet2k5> else it will just overwrite it every time I boot
[05:03] <thedaemon> ha, I asked, no one had any ideas :)
[05:03] <rob_> people are morons
[05:03] <Obake> gamemastax want to do the same thing as me ;)
[05:03] <leo_mx> why do i get a ------  configure: error: no acceptable C++-compiler found in $PATH ---- even when my gcc is installed
[05:03] <goldfish> thedaemon: i've no idea, sorry
[05:03] <comfrey> Jet2k5: you are using dhcp yes?
[05:04] <Jet2k5> no
[05:04] <Jet2k5> pump
[05:04] <Obake> gamemastax: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[05:04] <Jet2k5> I can't use dhcp because of it's ipv6
[05:04] <goldfish> rob_: they are
[05:04] <rob_> leo_mx, "apt-get install gcc"
[05:04] <thedaemon> maybe a plug and play thing in my motherboard configuration?
[05:04] <comfrey> heh, Jet2k5 that is dhcp
[05:04] <rob_> w/o wrotes
[05:04] <Jet2k5> my router doesn't like it :)
[05:04] <leo_mx> thanks rob
[05:04] <Jet2k5> comfrey: opps I meant yes
[05:04] <Jet2k5> I meant to say I don't use ipv6
[05:04] <_kevin> dhcp is ipv6??? i have dhcp and it's ipv4
[05:04] <comfrey> so... you can do one of two things...
[05:04] <Jet2k5> _kevin: umm hoary?
[05:04] <netdur> I have an script I wanna exec during boot-up
[05:04] <_kevin> yes
[05:04] <rob_> i JUST started using debian and i know this :X
[05:05] <Jet2k5> _kevin: odd, I have ipv6
[05:05] <thedaemon> ok, I will be back in a few. wish me luck.
[05:05] <Obake> Rob: What do you mean I can
[05:05] <Jet2k5> I had to get rid of it and use pump
[05:05] <comfrey> tou can one... i supdate the nameservers on your router so it hands out good dns server addresses...
[05:05] <Obake> t read and write on NTFS ?
[05:05] <_kevin> there should also be eth0
[05:05] <_kevin> only read
[05:05] <Obake> oops
[05:05] <goldfish> Obake: you can write but it is dangerous....
[05:05] <Obake> ROB:..
[05:05] <comfrey> Jet2k5: and the other thing to do is hardcode your ip address... and do not use dhcp.
[05:05] <Em`Zee> Hey guys, is there a way via console (besides writing a daemon script in init.d) to start a program when the system starts?
[05:05] <Jet2k5> comfrey: ok, let me look around ...
[05:05] <rob_> Obake, don't write to it
[05:05] <Jet2k5> what?
[05:05] <rob_> just read it.
[05:05] <Jet2k5> hardcode it
[05:06] <Obake> Dangerous... like Windows's virus getting in my linux partition ?
[05:06] <ramblingturtle23> ? can i dual boot ubuntu with mandriva
[05:06] <Jet2k5> well what I want to know is why the hell ubuntu decides to make it stop working
[05:06] <Jet2k5> it's been working fine ever since warty
[05:06] <Em`Zee> Hey guys, is there a way via console (besides writing a daemon script in init.d) to start a program when the system starts?
[05:06] <comfrey> Jet2k5: no... it is your dhcp server that is telling it the wrong thing
[05:06] <Obake> What are the risks ?
[05:06] <ramblingturtle23> nobody
[05:06] <comfrey> Jet2k5: sounds like this at least
[05:06] <ryan_> why dont you just put it up init..
[05:07] <rob_> Obake, for one, data corruption
[05:07] <Jet2k5> CockRoach-:
[05:07] <Obake> hhmm...
[05:07] <Jet2k5> err comfrey ok, I'm giving my router good DNS
[05:07] <Jet2k5> I have 2 does anyone have a 3rd? :P
[05:07] <comfrey> Jet2k5: good plan
[05:07] <lightboy> does n e one know the command to create a new user?
[05:07] <Em`Zee> ryan_, I don't know how to write an Init.d script for this particular program (ChilliSpot)
[05:07] <Chislon> i installed the flash plugin and it said Note: have ur administrator remove xpti.dat fromt he components directory or soemthing like htat, the thing is that htere are two component directories for mozilla firefox with xpti.dat in it, one starts with usr/lib the other with var/lib, which xpti.dat do i delete?
[05:07] <comfrey> Jet2k5: 2 should be plenty
[05:07] <comfrey> as long as they both work
[05:07] <Jet2k5> comfrey: cool, these are the ones from my ISP
[05:08] <goldfish> lightboy: adduser
[05:08] <Jet2k5> earthlink, so they are always there and good according to them
[05:08] <Obake> Data Corruption....
[05:08] <lightboy> goldfish: cheers
[05:08] <comfrey> Jet2k5: you should switch to a local isp too if you can...
[05:08] <ramblingturtle23> anybody willing to help a newbie
[05:08] <Obake> I guess I have to investigate, self study about this before I do any moves...
[05:08] <gamemastax`> Thanks for the help guys
[05:08] <comfrey> Jet2k5: support your local economy
[05:08] <goldfish> Obake: you can read and write to fat32
[05:08] <rob_> Obake, do what ever you like, but it's a bad idea :P
[05:08] <ryan_> oh, is that access point controller
[05:08] <goldfish> i made a fat32 partition to share between linux and windows
[05:09] <goldfish> handy
[05:09] <Jet2k5>  comfrey ok... don't know of any ..
[05:09] <thedaemon> :(
[05:09] <Jet2k5> I only have sprint DSL and Road runner by the warner company
[05:09] <ramblingturtle23> out of 495 people in the room no one is willing to help a newbie
[05:09] <Obake> My disk have like 4 Partition...
[05:09] <Davey> Jet2k5: RR Cable is awesome, FYI
[05:09] <Jet2k5> don't think they are local local ... but they are local ....
[05:09] <comfrey> Jet2k5: you rural or urban?
[05:09] <hondje> ramblingturtle23: Yes, you can
[05:09] <Jet2k5> comfrey: umm I would say rural, but urban
[05:09] <ramblingturtle23> thank you
[05:09] <Jet2k5> I live in Cape Coral, FL
[05:10] <Jet2k5> pretty much this town is a boom town
[05:10] <Jet2k5> it's been populatin 200,000 people each year
[05:10] <thedaemon> is there another way for me to install stuff (apt-get or whatnot) without using the CD?
[05:10] <ramblingturtle23> hondje is there one that i should install first or does it not matter
[05:10] <comfrey> no place to be during the coming crash
[05:10] <rob_> apt-get install <pkg>
[05:10] <hondje> ramblingturtle23: doesn't really matter :)
[05:10] <goldfish> thedaemon: is it asking for the cd when u apt-get?
[05:10] <Shadowpillar> ben0ne: how well would it work?
[05:10] <Jet2k5> Davey: I know, but I have Satellite so it would cost more to get it :O
[05:10] <thedaemon> yes
[05:10] <ramblingturtle23> thank you I really do like ubuntu
[05:10] <thedaemon> and my cddrive, is not working
[05:11] <Shadowpillar> ben0ne: this is on an oldworld mac btw, it'll work as long as I have quik
[05:11] <goldfish> thedaemon: uncomment the line containing "cd"  in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:11] <Jet2k5> ubuntu is great
[05:11] <goldfish> thedaemon: well, comment it out i mean
[05:11] <Jet2k5> I wonder how good it's going to be with games
[05:11] <thedaemon> ok
[05:11] <gamemastax`> I'm having trouble getting rhythmbox to recognize mp3s, where can i download and get instructions on installing the mp3 decoder
[05:11] <hondje> ramblingturtle23: why install mdk?
[05:11] <Jet2k5> btw guys, I'm going to be building a computer soon, does ubuntu install the nvidia drivers on it's own?
[05:11] <Jet2k5> or will I also have to download them?
[05:11] <goldfish> !restrictedformats
[05:11] <ubotu> goldfish: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:11] <ramblingturtle23> because i already messed up ubuntu install
[05:11] <goldfish> !mp3
[05:11] <ubotu> goldfish: I give up, what is it?
[05:11] <comfrey> Jet2k5: u takes care of it
[05:11] <goldfish> hmmm
[05:11] <Jet2k5> k
[05:11] <Jet2k5> sweet
[05:12] <fossa> people still play angband?
[05:12] <Jet2k5> how good is Linux with nforce mobo chipsets?
[05:12] <ramblingturtle23> i am just coming off of windows
[05:12] <hondje> ramblingturtle23: ah. It's fairly easy to do, and as an added advantage you can share your /home partition
[05:12] <Jet2k5> I heard in some cases it's really bad
[05:12] <Obake>  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[05:12] <Obake> /dev/hda1               1<PHONE_NUMBER>+   b  W95 FAT32
[05:12] <Obake> /dev/hda2   *         590       11425    81920160    7  HPFS/NTFS
[05:12] <Obake> /dev/hda3           11426       15338    29582280   83  Linux
[05:12] <Obake> /dev/hda4           15339       15508     1285200    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[05:12] <Obake> /dev/hda5           15339       15508     1285168+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[05:12] <goldfish> gamemastax`: www.ubuntulinux.org/#RestrictedFormats i think
[05:12] <Jet2k5> and ubuntu sucks with 64-bit :(
[05:12] <ramblingturtle23> hondje cool how about the swap
[05:12] <thedaemon> jet, have to use apt get for your nvidia drives
[05:12] <thedaemon> drivers
[05:12] <hondje> ramblingturtle23: yep, that too
[05:12] <goldfish> Obake: piece of advice, dont flood in here :)
[05:12] <Jet2k5> something about it lacking apps that are compiled in 64-bit
[05:12] <thedaemon> its what I am doing
[05:12] <Obake> eh.. ?
[05:12] <leo_mx> gcc is already the newest version.
[05:12] <leo_mx> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:12] <leo_mx>    and even so i cant compile any program
[05:12] <ramblingturtle23> cool i tried dual booting mdk and arch but that didnt work out
[05:13] <thedaemon> goldfish, ha there is no cd info there
[05:13] <thedaemon> oop
[05:13] <thedaemon> s
[05:13] <thedaemon> spoke too soon :O I am blind.
[05:13] <thedaemon> anyways, how is everyone?
[05:13] <goldfish> :)
[05:13] <ramblingturtle23> hondje- i am new to not having windows to fall back on so now mdk has become my windows
[05:13] <goldfish> yeah its hard to spot the line
[05:13] <rob_> okay so you have gcc
[05:13] <goldfish> dear god
[05:13] <hondje> ramblingturtle23: ah :)
[05:13] <neighborlee> tracker is working again..PLEASE someone seed liveDVD/installer LOL
[05:14] <goldfish> it was 11pm last time i looked, now its 4 am :/
[05:14] <thedaemon> ok, how do I edit the text with gedit? its locked/read only.
[05:14] <Jet2k5> comfrey: ok should I reboot
[05:14] <Jet2k5> comfrey: when I open up /etc.resolv.conf it says that making changes to it won't work
[05:14] <comfrey> just pump it
[05:14] <EvanCarroll> Anyone have problems with breezy and WEP, what used to work no longer does, and errors out in dmesg
[05:14] <ramblingturtle23> hondje - 1 last quick ? which boot manager should i use or does this also not matter
[05:14] <Obake> ok, I will mount the partition when I am ready,. WHen I am 100% sure of what I am doing ;)
[05:14] <goldfish> thedaemon: 'sudo gedit filename'
[05:15] <comfrey> Jet2k5: ... did you update the router?
[05:15] <thedaemon> in the correct dir?
[05:15] <Jet2k5> yes
[05:15] <Jet2k5> I just did
[05:15] <Jet2k5> added 2 new good DNS servers
[05:15] <shawn__> Question: When I install packages like phpmyadmin how do I access it?
[05:15] <comfrey> yeah, pump it and dig
[05:15] <goldfish> EvanCarroll: read the topic.... not recommended to use it....
[05:15] <Jet2k5> comfrey: lol do you mean reboot?
[05:15] <comfrey> no
[05:15] <comfrey> pump eth0
[05:15] <rob_> Obake, mount it read-only
[05:15] <comfrey> pump -i eth0
[05:15] <EvanCarroll> goldfish: so i used it, and i had a question about it.
[05:15] <Obake> Thank you Rob.
[05:16] <EvanCarroll> goldfish: a question which you remark neither answered nor assisted, thanks.
[05:16] <comfrey> Jet2k5: you must be in wrong channel ;)
[05:16] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:16] <comfrey> Jet2k5: dual boot?
[05:16] <Jet2k5> comfrey: yeah
[05:16] <comfrey> or 2 boxes?
[05:16] <Cybermagellan> Anyone know?
[05:16] <Jet2k5> for iTunes :)
[05:16] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:16] <comfrey> ok then reboot
[05:16] <Jet2k5> ok
[05:16] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:17] <Jet2k5> brb , wish me luck
[05:17] <thedaemon> umm... I can "su" in ubuntu right? but umm.. I never set root password
[05:17] <fossa> thanks everybody. you have all been really helpful.
[05:17] <goldfish> EvanCarroll: well, i dont know the answer, and no-one else will, because no-one in here is using it, i was just trying to be informative.
[05:17] <Jet2k5> do you still want me to run those commands?
[05:17] <Jet2k5> make any editing to /etc/recolv.conf?
[05:17] <goldfish> thedaemon: you can
[05:17] <Cybermagellan> When I apt-get or install phpmyadmin using synaptic how do I access it?
[05:17] <comfrey> no reboot should take care of it
[05:17] <EvanCarroll> goldfish: you failed horrably, and you can't speak for what everyone knows.
[05:17] <Cybermagellan> it's not in my www folder
[05:17] <goldfish> thedaemon: the su password will be the same as the password of the first account made
[05:17] <comfrey> you can manually edit resolv.conf if you need to
[05:17] <IIIEars> thedaemon - ubotu !sudoroot
[05:17] <Jet2k5> Cybermagellan: I believe you view it through your browser
[05:17] <thedaemon> cause apt-get wants me to do it
[05:17] <IIIEars> thedaemon - ubotu !rootsudo
[05:17] <thedaemon> what's that do IIIEars ?
[05:17] <Cybermagellan> Jet2k5, you know how?
[05:18] <goldfish> thedaemon: sudo apt-get...
[05:18] <goldfish> EvanCarroll: Fine.
[05:18] <Jet2k5> Cybermagellan: no how, but I heard that people use it through their web browsers
[05:18] <Jet2k5> I used straight mysql
[05:18] <james> why do i get xml parse errors with firefox?
[05:18] <Jet2k5> bad web coding?
[05:18] <Cybermagellan> Hmmm...
[05:18] <IIIEars> ubotu has forgotten the link httP://ubunuguide.org rootsudo
[05:18] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, IIIEars
[05:18] <james> i was trying to dl the drivers for my radeon 9600 from ati
[05:19] <Jet2k5> james: :X
[05:19] <gamemastax`> someone give me that Restricted Formats link again?
[05:19] <Jet2k5> sell it and get an nvidia :P
[05:19] <thedaemon> ubotu..?
[05:19] <goldfish> thedaemon: its a bot.
[05:19] <gamemastax`> please
[05:19] <Jet2k5> and I tried so damn hard to get it to work
[05:19] <Jet2k5> brb
[05:19] <thedaemon> k
[05:19] <mht> cybermagellan: open web browser, point your location to localhost/phpmyadmin
[05:19] <goldfish> thedaemon: ubuntu uses sudo.
[05:19] <goldfish> btw
[05:19] <thedaemon> It's a new command to me
[05:20] <thedaemon> :O
[05:20] <kalias> nickrud: Hi :) How are you this evening?
[05:20] <thedaemon> last time I really used linux was redhat 5.2....
[05:20] <Cybermagellan> mht. So if I already created a folder already called phpmyadmin I basically started off wrong....I was going to install the package before I tried to apt it
[05:20] <goldfish> thedaemon: it runs commands with root priveleges.
[05:20] <thedaemon> more used to freebsd :) but still not fresh on my mind, window$ on the brain
[05:20] <IIIEars> ubotu rootsudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:20] <ubotu> ...but rootsudo is already something else...
[05:20] <nickrud> kalias hi, catching up on some work here
[05:21] <goldfish> thedaemon: :)
[05:21] <kalias> nickrud: kind of late to be working although I often do it myself especially during crunch time.
[05:21] <IIIEars> ubotu sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:21] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[05:21] <gamemastax`> Can someone please point me to that link?
[05:21] <nickrud> ah, mine is an round the clock job, I snag time for myself when I can
[05:22] <IIIEars> ubotu root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:22] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[05:22] <goldfish> gamemastax`: www.ubuntulinux.org/#RestrictedFormats
[05:22] <Jormundgand> ubotu, rootsudo
[05:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:22] <gamemastax`> goldfish: that doesn't seem to work :(
[05:22] <goldfish> gamemastax`: i think
[05:22] <goldfish> em
[05:22] <goldfish> hold on
[05:22] <mht> cybermagellan, usually webpage file reside at /var/www/html (as httpd default home), so apt-get phpmyadmin i belive going to that folder too
[05:23] <Cybermagellan> Yeah I deleted the folder then reinstalled....I found it now
[05:23] <Cybermagellan> thanks
[05:23] <kalias> Can anyone out there recommend a good site for themes or wallpaper?
[05:23] <MyNameIsChris> If anyone is having trouble trying to build Ati fglrx modules for 2.6.11 it turns out you need these patches - http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=110. Seems to be down at the moment though
[05:23] <goldfish> gamemastax`: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:23] <gamemastax`> thanks
[05:23] <goldfish> kalias: deviantart.com for wallpapers
[05:23] <leo_mx> has anybody tried kicq in ubuntu?
[05:24] <Obake> Thanks everybody (goldgish, and ROB). Now I can read the Windows NTFS partition
[05:24] <kalias> goldfish: can you also get themes there?
[05:24] <goldfish> kalias: themes for what?
[05:24] <bigmac99> hi everybody
[05:24] <goldfish> hello
[05:24] <kalias> goldfish: for setting up different buttons etc for the desktop.
[05:25] <thedaemon> ok going to restart , hopefully nvidia drivers work, and I can run 1920x1200 on my 24" lcd :)
[05:25] <goldfish> kalias: yeah it has icons there too
[05:25] <thedaemon> thanks guys, goldfish and IIIEars . brb
[05:25] <Cybermagellan> mht yeah it wouldn't install with the folder already there....delete and reinstall install worked
[05:25] <bigmac99> can someone tell me where I can specify my monitor in Ubuntu?
[05:25] <IIIEars> ubotu gnome themes is http://www.gnome-look.org/
[05:25] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[05:26] <bigmac99> I want to use higher resolutions
[05:26] <goldfish>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:26] <goldfish> oh
[05:26] <kalias> goldfish: okay, thanks :)  This is my first week with a ubuntu system and it is really good.   I also have a gentoo system but I think I like this one better.
[05:26] <goldfish> kalias: hehe, im installing gentoo right now :)
[05:26] <bignose_> sorry about that joining/unjoining business.
[05:26] <goldfish> !display
[05:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, display is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[05:26] <bigmac99> when I choose screen resolutions from the menu, it only goes up to 1024x768
[05:26] <goldfish> bigmac99: that link there
[05:26] <bignose_> got dual headed ness working.
[05:26] <mht> bigmac99, try dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:27] <thedaemon> I'm back
[05:27] <goldfish> thedaemon: work?
[05:27] <thedaemon> nvidia drivers are install, but no 1920x1200
[05:27] <kalias> goldfish: what do you think?  Gentoo was the first linux system I built.  I found it quite hard to install and you need to know lots of details, however, that being said, the support it good.
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> so to Sarge it or not?
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> hoary>> sarge?
[05:27] <kvidell> ick.. I didn't like sarge
[05:27] <goldfish> kalias: well, i installed it and had to rebuild the kernel, forgot something, so ...
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> really
[05:28] <goldfish> new sarge is out
[05:28] <kvidell> I sarge'd a box and promptly installed Fedora
[05:28] <thedaemon> I "think" is these drivers
[05:28] <bignose_> what ever happened to kmplayer ?
[05:28] <thedaemon> I might have to add in 1920x1200 manually
[05:28] <goldfish> kalias: havent really used it yet
[05:28] <thedaemon> now, I need to fix my cdrom drive :)
[05:28] <goldfish> thedaemon: :)
[05:28] <Jet2k5> sweet thanks a lot guys!
[05:29] <kalias> goldfish: back to the drawing board?  Yes, I know how you feel.  I built a stage 1 system on a 300 Mhz pentium. It took a week to compile and another couple of days to get it going.
[05:29] <goldfish> kalias: well, no i've been going for the last 6 hours, ive just finished again :)
[05:29] <goldfish> just finished installing lilo there a few minutes ago
[05:29] <goldfish> now to reboot :)
[05:29] <goldfish> brb
[05:29] <_kevin> how do i change the splash screen on ubuntu?
[05:30] <thedaemon> Btw, anyone installed Softimage XSI on ubuntu with luck?
[05:30] <bigmac99> thanks guys, be right back
[05:30] <kvidell> _kevin: the login screen or the little thingie that pops up and shows you gnome's load progress after you put in your username and password?
[05:30] <kalias> goldfish: crumbs you work fast!  I take it you have some linux/unix background.  When I started gentoo I have never really seen a linux or unix system.  It required quite a bit of learning.  I work in a windows world like 90% of the population.
[05:31] <_kevin> yes
[05:31] <_kevin> kvidell
[05:31] <kvidell> p..pick one?
[05:31] <kvidell> or both?
[05:31] <Jet2k5> the splash screen?
[05:31] <Jet2k5> here I got the link for you
[05:31] <_kevin> the gnome load
[05:31] <Jet2k5> http://www.ilc.geektyme.org/viewtopic.php?t=111
[05:31] <Jet2k5> go there
[05:31] <josue> hello
[05:32] <josue> im writing a new conf for grub and have no access to my ubuntu partition
[05:32] <josue> how can i find out where is my kernel and my initrd?
[05:32] <josue> is it always the same? i have a default os, havent done anything to it
[05:32] <josue> anyone?
[05:33] <thedaemon> no idea, I am also new :)
[05:33] <thedaemon> sorry
[05:33] <josue> ok thanks
[05:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/07/AR2005060701545.html
[05:33] <thedaemon> maybe someone has an idea
[05:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> read that one kids.
[05:33] <discom1> hello
[05:33] <goldfish> kalias: nah, i started with ubuntu a while ago, not using linux too long, i just followed the install handbook again :)
[05:33] <josue> any of the old ones here wants to help out?
[05:33] <pestilence> josue: the kernel is in /boot
[05:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> JDahl qwerty sucks.
[05:33] <josue> thank you pestilence, what about initrd/
[05:33] <discom1> could someone please help me out? how do i mount a floppy to read/write
[05:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone here have a sip phone?
[05:33] <goldfish> BROKEN_LADDER: no
[05:33] <josue> do i not add that to grub conf?
[05:34] <pestilence> josue: also in /boot
[05:34] <josue> k
[05:34] <josue> thx
[05:34] <discom1> please, how do i mount a floppy so i can read/write
[05:34] <kalias> goldfish: cool, I hope it goes well for you :)
[05:34] <thedaemon> right click on it and monut
[05:34] <thedaemon> mount
[05:34] <JDahl> BROKEN_LADDER, it's not my real name - it's my secret identity
[05:34] <_kevin> kvidell so can you tell me howto for the gnome load process
[05:35] <gamemastax`> How can I make a file that is read-only (esd.conf) read/write
[05:35] <discom1> mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[05:35] <goldfish> gamemastax`: read only for everyone?
[05:35] <misfit-toy> anybody use Skype?
[05:35] <IIIEars> discom1 fdisk -l didn't help?
[05:36] <mht> discom1, your floppy looklikes broken :(
[05:36] <JDahl> gamemastax`, use chmod, but isnt it writeable for root?
[05:36] <thedaemon> whats the command so I can see what my cdrom drive is?
[05:36] <IIIEars> fdisk -l didn't help or mount?
[05:37] <goldfish> thedaemon: there is no specific command i am aware of..
[05:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> broken?  that's my name.
[05:37] <gamemastax`> chmod it to what
[05:37] <gamemastax`> well
[05:37] <gamemastax`> from the terminal, how do i edit
[05:37] <nickrud> thedaemon ll /dev/cdrom will show you which physical drive it is
[05:37] <mht> thedaemon, what do you want? browse your cd?
[05:37] <thedaemon> well, there is a command to see what drives you have
[05:37] <goldfish> gamemastax`: open an editor
[05:37] <thedaemon> well, mht my drive is not detected for somereason
[05:37] <djs> thedaemon: ls -l /dev/cdrom
[05:37] <thedaemon> trying to fix it
[05:37] <rob_> is there a way to automagically satisfy dependencies
[05:38] <gamemastax`> i opened gedit
[05:38] <rob_> for packages
[05:38] <gamemastax`> i think
[05:38] <nickrud> heh, an old alias bites me again :)
[05:38] <RetroMan> rob_ - sudo apt-get -f install ?
[05:38] <nickrud> thanks djs
[05:38] <RetroMan> i think
[05:38] <goldfish> nickrud: heh
[05:38] <IIIEars> Hi nickrud :) - nice you are here.
[05:38] <mht> thedaemon, bios detected?
[05:39] <nickrud> hey IIIEars. Still feeding the bot? ;)
[05:39] <thedaemon> it works fine, but after grub boots, it doesnt
[05:39] <gamemastax`> goldfish: I need to edit my esd.conf (read-only)... can you take me through that?
[05:39] <thedaemon> it worked to install ubuntu :O
[05:39] <r0d> is their a better way to check runnig daemon's then w/ ps -aux | grep ?
[05:39] <IIIEars> gotta be careful or ubotu is going to be an 800lbs gorilla
[05:39] <bob2> r0d: no
[05:39] <nickrud> IIIEars how would I find out what it knows?
[05:40] <lightboy> i like ububtu.... its the win
[05:40] <gamemastax`> /etc/esound/esd.conf
[05:40] <thedaemon> my cdrom is also not in the device manager
[05:40] <IIIEars> nickrud i only know a few of it's commands it's based on the infobot
[05:40] <gamemastax`> goldfish?
[05:40] <gamemastax`> or anyone...
[05:40] <IIIEars> there is really no info on bloot bot
[05:40] <bob2> gamemastax`: why do you want to edit it?
[05:41] <gamemastax`> bob2: I need to modify it to release the sound card when it's not using it
[05:41] <anubisds> hey, is there a unix command to put the display asleep while in x?
[05:41] <IIIEars> !stats
[05:41] <lightboy> if you really have to edit it and u know the location of the file just open a terminal and say
[05:41] <lightboy> sudo gedit /location/ofconfig
[05:42] <lightboy> then type ur password
[05:42] <bob2> anubisds: xset dmps off
[05:42] <lightboy> and edit away
[05:42] <rob_> apt-get -f only forces it to install
[05:42] <anubisds> bob2, thanks man, appreciate it
[05:42] <lightboy> maybe... back it up first
[05:42] <_Church_of_Foamy> my celery stalks at night
[05:42] <nickrud> IIIEars who does it belong to?
[05:42] <bob2> r0d: that's not what -f does
[05:42] <kvidell> how do I view a postscript file?
[05:42] <bob2> er
[05:42] <gamemastax`> that's all good but it won't let me save it
[05:42] <bob2> rob_: that's not what -f does
[05:42] <kvidell> it's just kinda chillin' in my home directory like "yo, sup?"
[05:42] <bob2> kvidell: gb foo.ps
[05:42] <kvidell> awesome :) thanks.
[05:42] <bob2> kvidell: er, gv.
[05:42] <lightboy> is the esd process running?
[05:42] <bob2> gamemastax`: rerun gedit with sudo
[05:43] <gamemastax`> oh
[05:43] <gamemastax`> i did
[05:43] <gamemastax`> ty
[05:43] <lightboy> yeah u hav to use sudo
[05:43] <gamemastax`> ;)
[05:43] <mht> thedaemon, can you boot with ubuntu livecd?
[05:43] <Jormundgand> sudo cat grep
[05:43] <gamemastax`> what's the command to install packages again
[05:44] <Jormundgand> sudo apt-get install foo
[05:44] <IIIEars> mht - yes you can it is an excellent way to redefine drive formats and configure grub
[05:44] <lightboy> hah.,.. i forgot my screensaver was on the BSOD one and locked my screen and almost died coz i thought i broke something haha
[05:45] <bob2> hehe
[05:45] <thedaemon> mht, yes
[05:45] <thedaemon> I ran live to make sure everything worked
[05:45] <thedaemon> and it did, I figured something like this would happen
[05:45] <anubisds> bob2, what do you think the default display would be?
[05:45] <anubisds> <IP_ADDRESS>:0 didnt seem to work with xset
[05:46] <bob2> anubisds: you're doing this over ssh or something?
[05:46] <anubisds> n/m got it w/ the force
[05:46] <bob2> anubisds: export DISPLAY=:0
[05:46] <anubisds> no in a konsole
[05:46] <anubisds> I got it now though, thanks
[05:46] <anubisds> had to do "force"
[05:46] <anubisds> I guess cuz kdetv was running and that tries to disable that
[05:46] <anubisds> i'm writing a sleep script
[05:46] <bob2> ah
[05:48] <mht> thedaemon, wierd, did you mention /dev/cdrom or /media/cdrom or about cdrom at /var/log/dmesg?
[05:48] <anubisds> thanks for the tip bob, it works great now
[05:48] <thedaemon> huh? :)
[05:49] <thedaemon> do you mean, run dmesg?
[05:49] <mht> thedaemon, nope, see your kernel message
[05:49] <grexk> hello everyone
[05:50] <mht> thedaemon, system tools > system log
[05:50] <thedaemon> mht, not found
[05:50] <djs> thedaemon: have you tried "sudo mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom"? (sorry if this was asked b4)
[05:51] <sproingie> does breezy have a java-package updated for recent sun java?
[05:51] <thedaemon> yeah, tried that
[05:51] <djs> oh
[05:51] <thedaemon> I don't think the kernel level is reading my cdrom
[05:51] <thedaemon> its really weird
[05:51] <mht> thedaemon, ok, lets try via console. 'less /var/log/dmesg'
[05:52] <thedaemon> no such file
[05:52] <thedaemon> oops
[05:52] <thedaemon> hold on
[05:52] <anubisds> bob: do you know how to mute an alsa device?
[05:52] <mht> thedaemon, the kernel must see your cdrom before another app use it
[05:52] <thedaemon> right
[05:52] <fossa> hi..
[05:53] <fossa> in my terminal, tab completion doesn't work :-) what am i donig wrong?
[05:53] <thedaemon> the less command rocks!!
[05:53] <goldfish> it does
[05:53] <goldfish> less and more !
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> thedaemon: it rocks more
[05:53] <goldfish> HrdwrBoB: hah
[05:53] <thedaemon> but, why would live cd, and the install both read my cdrom drive, but not a finished install
[05:54] <grexk> can some help me out with my X server
[05:54] <goldfish> grexk: whats up?
[05:54] <grexk> have you tried vga=773 on grub
[05:54] <goldfish> me? no
[05:54] <mht> thedaemon: do you see your cdrom at dmesg?
[05:54] <thedaemon> no
[05:54] <grexk> my system doesnt load x server
[05:55] <thedaemon> at least I can't find it
[05:55] <fossa> #/dev/hda1      /mnt/hda1       ntfs    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[05:56] <someluser> quit
[05:56] <mht> thedaemon: you can't see something like this: 'hdc: CREATIVE iR CD5222E-B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive'
[05:57] <goldfish> grexk: nvidia card?/
[05:57] <grexk> nope ati radeon se 9200
[05:57] <thedaemon> about where would it be located mht ?
[05:57] <goldfish> k
[05:57] <grexk> if i change it to vga=normal
[05:58] <grexk> it works...but i dont like big fonts on my virtual term
[05:58] <mht> thedaemon: at your /var/log/dmesg
[05:58] <thedaemon> I mean in the file, near the top or bottom?
[05:58] <imaek> Is ubuntu 4.10 updateable to Hoary?
[05:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> amarok dosen't see any of my songs :(
[05:59] <bob2> imaek: of course
[05:59] <TestDummy> Er, I forget how to add a NTFS drive as read only in /etc/fstab
[05:59] <bob2> imaek: if you stick in the hoary cd to an ubuntu 4.10 machine, it will offer to update you automagically
[05:59] <TestDummy> (I had to reinstall Ubuntu a couple of days ago, new hard drive)
[05:59] <fossa> #/dev/hda1      /mnt/hda1       ntfs    ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:59] <fossa> something like that
[05:59] <misfit> hullo?
[05:59] <thedaemon> I don't see it mht
[05:59] <thedaemon> :(
[05:59] <misfit> damn nickserv
[05:59] <TestDummy> I know the first three bits
[05:59] <imaek> Thanks, bob2.  Converting a friend 8-)~
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> amarok is a hog
[06:00] <TestDummy> (I remember /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs...)
[06:00] <bob2> TestDummy: /dev/blah       /mnt            ntfs    umask=002              0       0
[06:00] <TestDummy> I forget the rest
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> imaek, nice
[06:00] <mht> thedaemon: find it, enter '/' and 'hdc'
[06:00] <TestDummy> I remember there being stuff aside umask=002...
[06:00] <stuNNed> bob2: is 'apt-get dist-upgrade' safe to do upgrading from one version to the next or is there a better way?
[06:00] <hondje> TestDummy: ro is read-only option
[06:01] <TestDummy> Hm..
[06:01] <bob2> stuNNed: I'd use aptitude, personally
[06:01] <thedaemon> hdc: no response (status = 0x80), resetting drive
[06:01] <thedaemon> hdc: no response (status = 0x80)
[06:01] <TestDummy> It still seems like bits are missing..
[06:01] <stuNNed> bob2: but apt-get dist-upgrade is *sound* ?
[06:01] <bob2> stuNNed: but as long as you look at what apt wants to do, and make sure it doesn't go crazy, it'll be fine
[06:01] <hondje> TestDummy: maybe auto or noauto?
[06:01] <stuNNed> bob2: k thnx
[06:01] <bob2> stuNNed: np
[06:01] <grexk> still there @goldfish
[06:02] <bob2> TestDummy: the line I have you will work
[06:02] <TestDummy> I guess I'll give it a whirl.
[06:02] <goldfish> grexk: i am, yes
[06:02] <grexk> so can  you help me out?
[06:03] <goldfish> grexk: i've no idea im afraid
[06:03] <grexk> waaaaaaaaa........
[06:04] <grexk> can you try that on your machine? append vga=773 on grub...
[06:04] <goldfish> lol
[06:04] <goldfish> i dont have ubuntu right now
[06:04] <goldfish> or grub
[06:04] <TestDummy> Er, while I'm at it. Any way to change the colour of text on the top of the bar in Gnome? Having it transparent with black text doesn't seem to help with dark backgrounds.
[06:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i make apt-get install the most bleeding edge package available?
[06:04] <thedaemon> you get that mht ?
[06:04] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: you can't, use gentoo
[06:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> with oggenc for instance, i want the most recent libogg and libvorbis out.
[06:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 but the packages exist on the debian site.
[06:05] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: that's awesome, use debian then
[06:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> huh?
[06:05] <grexk> ok then thanks anyways @goldfish
[06:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought debian packages WERE ubuntu packages.
[06:05] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: installing debian packages on an ubuntu system will make it no longer an ubuntu system
[06:05] <goldfish> grexk: sorry
[06:05] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: not in the sense that you mean
[06:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> ubuntu doesn't host its own packages does it?
[06:05] <JessupX> hello
[06:05] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: er, of course it does
[06:05] <goldfish> hi JessupX
[06:05] <vkm> I'm trying to properly install a 2.6.10 kernel on my Ubuntu Hoary machine via the Debian kernel package tools. When I try to boot the new kernel, I get a kernel panic ("not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs ..."). The only difference in GRUB settings for the new kernel and the one that came with Hoary is the new kernel doesn't have an initrd entry; I don't know how to build a correct one, and naively adding --initrd to make-kpkg kernel
[06:05] <thedaemon> anyone know what "sireg -setcoex" is?
[06:06] <JessupX> anyone try using a gigafast wireless nic in ubuntu?
[06:06] <mht> thedaemon: something error with kernel i suppose, kernel not recognice the cdrom. Do you upgrade your kernel?
[06:06] <bob2> vkm: why did you build your own? what didn' the ubuntu kernel offer?
[06:06] <JessupX> usb
[06:06] <grexk> who has tried to append vga=773 on grub successfully?
[06:07] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!   hmmm ?
[06:07] <thedaemon> is there a searchpage for apt-get applications?
[06:07] <bob2> Pop_pa_FrEaK: what are you trying to compile?
[06:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 so if i compile my own libogg and libvorbis, packages that relie upon them can or cannot use my compiled versions?
[06:07] <JessupX> why must wireless usb adapaters be such a pain in linux...
[06:07] <bob2> thedaemon: packages.ubuntu.com
[06:07] <thedaemon> mht, default install
[06:07] <thedaemon> thanks bob2
[06:07] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> amarok svn version
[06:07] <bob2> JessupX: they're a pain everywhere
[06:07] <vkm> bob2: APM support (as opposed to the newer power management system, forget the acronym, that doesn't play nice with my laptop).
[06:07] <bob2> Pop_pa_FrEaK: run this then: sudo apt-get install build-essential ; sudo apt-get build-dep amarok
[06:07] <JessupX> i hate to say it, but it works fine in xp
[06:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> advanced power management.
[06:08] <bob2> vkm: you can disable ACPI without recompiling
[06:08] <goldfish> thedaemon: search page?
[06:08] <thedaemon> packages.ubuntu.com works
[06:08] <goldfish> k
[06:09] <thedaemon> see, I need to make sure some apps/libs are installed to get XSI to install
[06:09] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: depends
[06:09] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: there's a reason maintaing packages requires skill
[06:09] <vkm> bob2: Even if I can install APM support also (in a module-only fashion), I would like to know how to properly build and install a kernel on an Ubuntu machine.
[06:09] <bob2> vkm: don't include an initrd then, and make sure you configure everything you need INTO the kernel, not as modules
[06:09] <mht> thedaemon: try update your kernel, if that not solve your problem, i dont have other advice right now :(
[06:09] <thedaemon> ok, thanks lots
[06:10] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: what's so awesome about the newest libogg?
[06:10] <vkm> bob2: I disabled ramdisk support in the kernel I built; it was the only initrd-related setting I could find, though I could have missed something.
[06:10] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> bob2 is that giving me the kde desktop as well ?
[06:11] <bob2> Pop_pa_FrEaK: no
[06:11] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok
[06:11] <benjamin123> im having problems with crackling sound effects
[06:11] <JessupX> i noticed that ubuntu has the prism2_usb kernel module
[06:11] <bob2> vkm: what is your aim?  to learn how to compile a kernel or to disable ACPI?
[06:11] <benjamin123> im using alsa for both media selectors in gnome, and have edited esd.conf and asound.conf
[06:11] <benjamin123> any ideas?
[06:11] <benjamin123> amarok and dvds play fine
[06:12] <JessupX> but it doesnt have the configuration binary that sets the wlan0 device
[06:12] <Seq> JessupX: is your wireless adapter prism based?
[06:12] <bob2> JessupX: yes it does
[06:12] <JessupX> yeah
[06:12] <bob2> JessupX: install the linux-wlan-ng package
[06:12] <[koji] > how do you set dma on a usb dvd burner?
[06:12] <JessupX> thats the driver they provide from the vendor
[06:12] <bob2> JessupX: no, that's the userland tools to configure it
[06:12] <vkm> bob2: I have three goals of equal priority: 1) disable ACPI 2) enable APM 3) learn to how build a custom kernel in Ubuntu (I have already done it many times for 2.0 and 2.2 era kernels, without the package tools, though it's been a few years)
[06:13] <JessupX> how do i get that? I have never used ubuntu before, but have used slackware
[06:13] <bob2> vkm: 1 and 2 are easy, boot with noacpi.
[06:13] <bob2> JessupX: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:13] <bob2> JessupX: or sudo aptitude install linux-wlan-ng
[06:13] <JessupX> i have a usb keychain that I use for moving files over to it until i get the network going, then i am set
[06:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 it's better
[06:13] <Seq> JessupX: wireless "just worked" for me, but i had to have an interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:13] <mht> bob2: do you know why /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libnfs.so not present?
[06:13] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: in what way is it "better"?
[06:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 the newest libogg and libvorbis have improved upon previous flaws.
[06:13] <vkm> bob2: But APM support is not compiled in by default. Presumably I also need to build APM, entirely as a module, and load it.
[06:13] <JessupX> Seq ok, will look there too
[06:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 for one thing it can produce better compression.
[06:14] <JessupX> reading wiki
[06:14] <bob2> Seq: JessupX's problem is that his/her card is only supported by linux-wlan-ng, which is crap and incompatible with what most other stuff works
[06:14] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: riiiight
[06:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 don't be idiotic.
[06:14] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: so, wait for breezy to be released
[06:14] <goldfish> lol
[06:14] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: or use breezy, but when it breaks, you get to fix it
[06:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 substantial improvements were made in its tunings for lower bitrate compression.
[06:15] <Seq> JessupX: though my adapter is pcmcia, and has good support by native drivers, and gets configured by cardmgr rather than hotplug i believe
[06:15] <bob2> vkm: indeed, then load the apm module after boot (which the default kernel includes)
[06:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> Changes include several platform and build fixes, documentation for multiplexed streams, and other goodies. Have at it.
[06:15] <[koji] > how do you enable dma on a usb dvd burner?
[06:15] <JessupX> hmm lost connection
[06:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> The new libogg fixes some FLAC issues and libvorbis 1.1.0 features the new tunings from aoTuV.
[06:15] <TestDummy> Um... yeah, I just tried adding that to /etc/fstab and it says "umount=022" is incorrect
[06:15] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thank you bob2 it helped tons
[06:16] <bob2> TestDummy: er, umask=002
[06:16] <vkm> bob2: And what about this whole kernel-build business?
[06:16] <bob2> Pop_pa_FrEaK: np
[06:16] <JessupX> but yeah, thats the right package, i need to download it in file form, so i can move it over to the system that needs it
[06:16] <TestDummy> Wait..
[06:16] <bob2> vkm: that's for building external modules, aiui
[06:16] <JessupX> is there like a grand list of ubuntu packages that I can click to download one by one?
[06:16] <bob2> vkm: if you really want to learn how to build a kernel, get the source, start fr  mthe default config and select only what your hardware needs
[06:16] <bob2> JessupX: packages.ubuntu.com
[06:16] <vkm> bob2: Huh? make-kpkg can be used for both the kernel image itself and externel modules.
[06:17] <bob2> vkm: yes, it can
[06:17] <JessupX> bob2 awesome
[06:17] <TestDummy> Okay, I must have screwed up there..
[06:17] <JessupX> thanks
[06:18] <vkm> bob2: I have done the configuration process to my satisfaction, as I have many times before (for older kernels, where installation was done by hand). What I'm not clear on is a) what this initrd business is, and why it's persisting after I exlcuded ramdisks from my kernel and b) how to use the kernel package system to properly install the kernel, if a) isn't the problem.
[06:18] <JessupX> now were getting somewhere.. :)
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> and why does my xorg.conf keep reverting to a version that is older?... it should open the newer one with 1400x1050 resolution..
[06:19] <sproingie> anyone know how to install sun's jdk as a .deb?
[06:20] <benjamin123> i have crackly sound effects, anyone want to help me?
[06:20] <sproingie> make-jpkg doesn't want to work for jdk's from the last year or so
[06:20] <benjamin123> ever since i edited esd and asound.conf, dvds and amarok work fine, but crackly sound effects
[06:20] <bob2> sproingie: blackdown might work
[06:20] <sproingie> it used to be simple to fix this script, now it's moved to some damn  "plugin" nastiness
[06:20] <vkm> bob2: Also, for the record, using the default Hoary kernel, manually rmmod-ing the acpi modules, then attempt to insmod apm.ko yields a "-1: no such device" error.
[06:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know how to get gnome bit torrent working?  it won't let me choose a location for my files..
[06:21] <bob2> sproingie: dont' forget to email sun and complain if this annoys you
[06:21] <sproingie> bob2: i don't want blackdown
[06:21] <sproingie> bob2: it's not sun's fault
[06:21] <bob2> vkm: yes, unloading the modules isn't enough
[06:21] <JessupX> stupid q, how do you install .deb files
[06:21] <goldfish> dpkg -i blah.deb
[06:21] <bob2> sproingie: er, yes it is.  if it was under a useful license, it would be in ubuntu.
[06:21] <JessupX> awesome
[06:21] <sproingie> bob2: gee thanks
[06:21] <goldfish> wb misfit-toy
[06:21] <thedaemon> do RPM's work in ubuntu?
[06:22] <goldfish> alien blah.rmp
[06:22] <misfit-toy> yo goldfish just testing stuff
[06:22] <sproingie> thedaemon: sort of.  with alien.  they won't participate in dependencies
[06:22] <bob2> vkm: a) an initrd is an "initial ramdisk", which the bootloader loads at the same time as the kernel.  it contains a bunch of modules, so the kernel can load them bfore the root filesystem is mounted.
[06:22] <goldfish> gives u a .deb
[06:22] <Jormundgand> thedaemon: So long as you don't try installing anything like libraries or any other stuff.
[06:22] <goldfish> misfit-toy: cool :)
[06:22] <bob2> vkm: it saves you having to compile everything into the kernel
[06:22] <thedaemon> just db2-2.4.14-10.i386.rpm
[06:22] <misfit-toy> I seem to lose wireless way quicker with ubuntu than what I get with fedora, hmmm
[06:22] <bob2> vkm: b) you need some special options enabled in the kernel for this to work, which the default ubuntu config has
[06:22] <thedaemon> is alien installed by default?
[06:22] <goldfish> thedaemon: yeah
[06:23] <sproingie> i could install the jdk with alien, but then how do i force the installation of the java-virtual-machine package then?
[06:23] <misfit-toy> ubuntu drops to about 66 percent when I go outside on this laptop, going to test again since I need a cigar
[06:23] <misfit-toy> ;p
[06:23] <goldfish> misfit-toy: lol
[06:23] <JDahl> sproingie, why dont you just download the binary installer and dump the files to /usr/local/java?
[06:24] <sproingie> JDahl: i'd like to, but then i want to force java-virtual-machine to be installed so that the damn thing doesn't try to install kaffee
[06:24] <misfit-toy> interesting, so I have goldfish here in #ubuntu, and thingfish in #fedora, you need to hook up. ;)\
[06:24] <thedaemon> how do I find out what version software I have?
[06:24] <bob2> use equivs to make a fake java-virtual--machine package then
[06:24] <misfit-toy> ok, here we go, down the stairs and out the front door...everyone kill a chicken.
[06:25] <sproingie> any pointers to "equivs for dummies"?
[06:25] <vkm> bob2: Ah. And the kernel source packages from universe (I think) don't have the ubuntu patches by default?
[06:25] <bob2> vkm: er, they kernel source packages (at least linux-source-*) in universe are horribly broken
[06:25] <bob2> vkm: but their config is just about the same
[06:26] <vkm> bob2: Heh. I'm using linux-source-2.6.10. Is there a better (2.6.10) package to use?
[06:26] <mht> thedaemon: use 'system > administration > synaptic package manager'
[06:26] <leo_mx> why some programs have such a big fonts....for example, i installed skype..and the program's fonts are huge
[06:26] <bob2> vkm: that's the only supported one in hoary, afaik
[06:26] <thedaemon> ty again mht!
[06:26] <vkm> bob2: So, if I stick with Ubuntu Hoary, I lose on building my own kernel.
[06:27] <tkiesel> Hiya all.
[06:27] <vkm> bob2: (Without much more work, which I'd consider if I could find out what it was, exactly.)
[06:27] <mht> thedaemon: use Synaptic, apt-get frontend
[06:27] <sproingie> vkm: use kernel-package.  i build my own kernel all the time
[06:27] <goldfish> misfit-toy: lol
[06:28] <goldfish> misfit-toy: i've be warned to avoid fedora :)
[06:28] <vkm> sproingie: I am. (I'm having an initrd-related issue building from the linux-source-2.6.10 package on Hoary.)
[06:28] <bob2> vkm: er?
[06:28] <bob2> vkm: no
[06:28] <bob2> vkm: the linux-source-2.6.10-5 or whatever package is fine
[06:29] <thedaemon> mht
[06:29] <thedaemon> umm, how do you pm, lol, been a while for irc as well
[06:29] <vkm> bob2: Er, you said the linux-source-* packages were "horribly broken". Should I be finding a way to get a linux-source-2.6.10-something from a source other than universe, or?
[06:30] <mht> thedaemon: pm?
[06:30] <thedaemon> I don't want to spam the room
[06:30] <bob2> vkm: no, I said " kernel source packages (at least linux-source-*) in universe"
[06:30] <JessupX> wlanctl-ng: no such device :(
[06:30] <thedaemon> private message you mht :P
[06:30] <bob2> vkm: 2.6.10 is in main, and is where the kernel all five bajillion hoary users are running came from
[06:30] <mht> thedaemon: ok
[06:31] <thedaemon> how do I do that?
[06:31] <misfit-toy> goldfish, fedora is nice, it's what you get for bleeding edge, but ubuntu looks like it's going to be my outdoor at the bar in the backyard distro
[06:31] <thedaemon> "mht hi
[06:31] <thedaemon> grr
[06:31] <vkm> bob2: Okay... so if I have the version from main, it should have the right patches to play nice with initrd and the kernel package tools, right?
[06:31] <bob2> vkm: yes
[06:32] <thedaemon> When installing XSI 3.0.1 on RedHat 8.0 the folowing type of error messages appear near the end of the install.
[06:32] <thedaemon> Error : sireg - setcoex /usr/Softimage/XSI_3.01/Application/bin/libsireg.so /usr/SoftimageXSI_3.01/Application/bin/libsireg.so
[06:32] <thedaemon> Error : sireg -setval key=Interactive CacheActive value=0
[06:32] <thedaemon> Cause
[06:32] <thedaemon> The installation program requires libdb.so.3 to be installed. This version is not installed with RedHat 8.0
[06:32] <vkm> bob2: Given the error I reported, it's likely I got the universe version then, no?
[06:32] <thedaemon> Solution
[06:32] <thedaemon> Install db2-2.4.14-10.i386.rpm (Berkeley Database)
[06:32] <thedaemon> This RPM can be found on either RedHat 7.2 or 7.3 CDs, or from pmfind.net
[06:32] <thedaemon> Or install compat-db3.3.11-2 (included in the RH 8.0 distro)
[06:32] <thedaemon> Red Hat
[06:32] <bob2> vkm: it sounded exactly like your config was screwed
[06:32] <thedaemon> crap
[06:32] <bob2> thedaemon: wtf
[06:32] <thedaemon> sorry
[06:32] <misfit-toy> really
[06:32] <thedaemon> didn't mean to spam
[06:32] <bob2> thedaemon: libdb2 - The Berkeley database routines (run-time files)
[06:32] <bob2> thedaemon: it's in ubuntu
[06:32] <thedaemon> not db2
[06:33] <thedaemon> :\
[06:33] <misfit-toy> no matter where you go, there you are.
[06:33] <bob2> erm
[06:33] <bob2> they are the same thing
[06:33] <goldfish> misfit-toy: ah right.. well i was told it sucks :)
[06:33] <tkiesel> Audio question: On Haory, anyone else ever have the problem of OSS and ALSA not testing right in the "Multimedia Systems Selector", while ESD works just dandy?  If I have XMMS try to use OSS or ALSA, it hangs.
[06:33] <thedaemon> well, its not working, I am getting that problem
[06:33] <tkiesel> Hoary, even. lol.
[06:33] <misfit-toy> goldfish, never believe anything, test yourself.
[06:33] <goldfish> indeed
[06:33] <mpm> any ideas the simplest way to connect to a shared folder on a WinXP machine from my box with ubuntu (samba installed) (feel free to point me toward your favorite howto)
[06:33] <bob2> thedaemon: erm
[06:33] <thedaemon> hehe
[06:33] <|GD|> hello... I'm trying to install Ubuntu 5.04 AMD64 on an Acer Turion notebook but the PC locks up as soon as I reach the language selection menu in the installation procedure... any ideas as to what could be wrong?
[06:33] <thedaemon> see my problem bob2
[06:33] <bob2> thedaemon: you're having problems installing on *redhat*?
[06:33] <thedaemon> no
[06:34] <thedaemon> that's the only help I have found though
[06:34] <TestDummy> Er.. well, I finally got that drive added (And I looked it up, it's "umask=0222" instead of "umount=022", or whatever) but, instead of /dev/hda1 and /media/windows, it won't show up
[06:34] <thedaemon> ubuntu, but same error
[06:34] <tkiesel> mpm: I can email you my /etc/fstab to show you an example.
[06:34] <bob2> thedaemon: so, paste the error to #flood
[06:34] <TestDummy> I remember being able to access it from the computer menu too
[06:34] <bob2> TestDummy: as I said, it should be umask=002
[06:34] <mpm> tkiesel: fstab has samba info??
[06:34] <thedaemon> I didn't mean to post here :P
[06:34] <benjamin123> is editing the esd.conf and asound.conf still the best way to get alsa to work?
[06:34] <bob2> thedaemon: presumably that wasn't your actual error
[06:35] <bob2> thedaemon: so, tell us what you're trying to do, what isn't working...
[06:35] <vkm> bob2: Huh. Any thoughts as to how? I based the config off of the one that came with my default kernel; it builds everything under the sun as a module, but other than that seems a fine starting place.
[06:35] <thedaemon> I am trying to install Softimage XSI on Ubuntu
[06:35] <tkiesel> mpm: Yeah, you can set samba automounts in fstab. My Ubuntu box automatically mounts some of the shares on my wife's Windows XP box.
[06:35] <bob2> tkiesel: go to places -> network menu
[06:35] <bob2> vkm: so, use the exact default kernel
[06:35] <bob2> vkm: and only disable the trivial things you care about
[06:35] <tkiesel> Done bob. This'll help fix my sound issues?
[06:36] <TestDummy> bob2: looking it up, I'm told "umask=0222" for a NTFS read only mount
[06:36] <bob2> vkm: and then build it as make-kpkg --initrd kernel-imae ...
[06:36] <TestDummy> Which actually does work for me, now. But it's not showing up in certain places.
[06:36] <bob2> TestDummy: "in certain places"?
[06:36] <misfit-toy> ok, out in the front yard, we're dropped to about 75 percent wireless strength
[06:36] <bob2> tkiesel: ok, not you, sorry
[06:36] <TestDummy> Like "Places > Computer" in Gnome
[06:36] <bob2> mpm: places menu -> network
[06:36] <tkiesel> Heehee.  No problem.
[06:36] <mpm> If if connected vi a linksys wifi router (via ethernet) I should be able to network with a windows machine on the actual wireless signal right?
[06:36] <vkm> bob2: My config started from /boot/config-2.6.10-whatever (that came with the default kernel); I have built versions that differ only w.r.t. ACPI and APM, but have the same problem
[06:36] <mpm> bob2: smb:/// is what I see there
[06:37] <TestDummy> And on Add File boxes, I used to have it show up on the side bar with the cd drive and /
[06:37] <misfit-toy> that doesn't happen with fedora, I get 99 percent all over my property...hmmm
[06:37] <tkiesel> mpm: I think it'll work like a charm, yeah. :)
[06:37] <bob2> mpm: and no shares?
[06:37] <bob2> vkm: show us the make-kpkg line
[06:37] <mpm> bob2: yeah I don't see it, although it does have shares
[06:38] <misfit-toy> and yet my resources are GREAT with ub
[06:38] <vkm> bob2: I have tried "make-kpkg kernel_image" and "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image"; the latter yielded the "danger cramfs blah blah" thing that I originally asked about.
[06:38] <bob2> vkm: ok
[06:39] <tkiesel> mpm: Is your Samba configured to be in the same workgroup as the machine you're wanting to connect to?
[06:39] <vkm> bob2: Also, I booted with noacpi as a boot option (or think I did - I apprended noacpi to the end of the grub kernel line
[06:39] <bob2> gnome's smb stuff does not use samba at all
[06:39] <bob2> vkm: maybe it's acpi=off, I forget
[06:39] <JessupX> do i have to makenod or something to get this wlan0 device?
[06:39] <vkm> bob2: but the acpi modules still loaded. once I removed them, I had the same -1 no device error for APM. Alright, I'll poke around about that.
[06:39] <r0bby> yum
[06:39] <bob2> JessupX: network interfaces don't have device nodes
[06:39] <r0bby> svn and mingw cross compiler
[06:39] <r0bby> :>
[06:39] <mpm> tkiesel: maybe not how/where do I set my ubuntu "workgroup"?
[06:40] <diego> r0bby: oh behave
[06:40] <vkm> bob2: Yep, it's acpi=off. Trying that.
[06:40] <r0bby> I am
[06:40] <r0bby> you don't know what I do with it when nobody is around
[06:40] <r0bby> :P
[06:40] <r0bby> O:-)
[06:40] <IIIEars> ubotu tell mpm !samba
[06:40] <tkiesel> I changed it in /etc/samba/smb.conf   There's a "WORKGROUP=" setting in there.
[06:40] <IIIEars> !samba
[06:40] <ubotu> samba is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[06:40] <hondje> stoned bots, great :)
[06:41] <|GD|> could a lockup during the language selection in setup indicate a framebuffer problem? the screen seems to be rendered properly though...
[06:41] <IIIEars> lol @hondje
[06:41] <mpm> ok IIIEars thanks
[06:43] <[koji] > How do I enable dma on a usb dvd burner?
[06:43] <A[D] minS> Guys can i install ubuntu from Harddisk ?
[06:44] <A[D] minS> i have iso but havn't Cd-rom right now so i extract it on hraddisk
[06:44] <A[D] minS> can i install it using boot disk?
[06:44] <goldfish> [koji] : hdparm -d1 /dev/whateverurdvddriveis
[06:44] <[koji] > man says its for ide devices
[06:45] <hondje> hdparm doesn't work with usb
[06:45] <goldfish> ah
[06:45] <goldfish> sorry
[06:45] <goldfish> <- tard
[06:46] <ablyss> i have postfix running, but i dont show port 110 open.. is this normal ? if so how does postfix receive incoming mail?
[06:46] <JessupX> i wonder why it doesnt create the wlan0 device
[06:46] <hyphenated> abarbaccia: 110 is pop3, for getting mail _off_ a server and into your mail client
[06:46] <hyphenated> oops, that was for ablyss
[06:47] <pmazer> if i run xorgconfig, is there going to be anything from the default ubuntu install which will be overwritten?
[06:47] <hyphenated> ablyss: mail servers listen on port 25 for incoming mail from mail clients, or from other mail servers
[06:47] <pmazer> and, how do i restart the xorg server?
[06:47] <deFrysk> ctrl-alt-backspace
[06:48] <deFrysk> oeh!
[06:48] <ablyss> hyphenated, so i dont need port 110 ?
[06:48] <bob2> A[D] minS: you have to burn it, network boot it or put it on a usb disk
[06:48] <bob2> ablyss: port 110 is only used by pop3.  only you know if you need that or not.
[06:48] <adam__> Just installed Hoary... My onboard video isn't recognized. How do I reconfigure Xorg?
[06:48] <bob2> ablyss: i810?
[06:48] <ablyss> if i knew i knew i needed.. i would't be asking
[06:48] <bob2> ablyss: er
[06:49] <IIIEars> ubotu Ubuntu is Open the gates To East and West Bring in all That's good and best. - Lenrie Peter
[06:49] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[06:49] <bob2> ablyss: no one can help you answer that question, sorry
[06:49] <JDahl> adam__, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but that should've worked during installation
[06:49] <adam__> JDahl, I'll give it a try. Thanks.
[06:49] <bob2> ablyss: do you want a pop server?  do you know what one is?  what are you trying to do?
[06:49] <ablyss> bob2, i ran both smtpd and pop3d for years
[06:50] <JDahl> adam__, if your card supports Vesa, you could try that
[06:50] <ablyss> i am not use to having a mail server only run smptd and not pop3
[06:50] <bob2> ablyss: apparently not on unix
[06:50] <bob2> ablyss: so, pick a pop3 server and install it.  dovecot-pop3 is nice
[06:50] <ablyss> what is wrong with postfix and why does it not handle pop3 ?
[06:50] <bob2> ablyss: nothing is wrong with it
[06:51] <bob2> ablyss: no smtp server does pop3 on unix
[06:51] <bob2> ablyss: this is how proper mail systems work
[06:51] <ablyss> okay
[06:51] <bob2> ablyss: you install a smtp server, which sends and receives mail.
[06:51] <bob2> ablyss: if you want pop, you install a pop server, too
[06:52] <ganatronic> I just ran top and it's showing Kaffeine using around 98% cpu. Problem is I closed Kaffeine, and then removed it
[06:52] <ganatronic> Any ideas?
[06:52] <bob2> ganatronic: look at the PID in the leftmost columne
[06:52] <bob2> ganatronic: then hit k and type the pid, then enter
[06:53] <bob2> ablyss: what pop3/smtp server have you used that did both?
[06:53] <bob2> on windows, I guess?
[06:53] <ablyss> BeOS
[06:53] <bob2> hah
[06:53] <ganatronic> Thanks bob2, you're the bestest
[06:53] <bob2> ganatronic: (programs can continue running after the files on disk are deleted, in linux)
[06:54] <bob2> interestingly, on solaris they will segfault when the file is deleted
[06:54] <IIIEars> ganatronic - That is the best way. The Linux way. - you can also "Add to Panel" "Force Quit" bottom or top panel. right click settings.
[06:54] <ablyss> actually BeOS maybe just used smptd but I didn't know what i was doing then either
[06:55] <ablyss> but i had was not faced with all these damn permissions :P
[06:55] <ganatronic> Ah, I see. Thanks guys.
[06:55] <ubuntutester> how can i view a ntfs partition from the ubuntu livecd ?
[06:56] <Razor-X> ubuntutester: mount /dev/path/to/ntfs /mnt/mount/point -t ntfs
[06:56] <Razor-X> make sure the mount point exists before mounting
[06:57] <JDahl> ubuntutester, it might be automounted under /media/xxx
[06:57] <ubuntutester> is there any GUI way of doing it? in PClinux you just right-click i think
[06:57] <Razor-X> ubuntutester: well, I suggest you get familiar with a few commands if you decide to use linux
[06:57] <Razor-X> CLI is more powerful in ways GUI will never be
[06:58] <Razor-X> man and mount are two you should get familiar with
[06:58] <ubuntutester> i am aware of that, but would rather not use cli
[06:58] <adam__> Just installed Hoary... It turns out that the video card was detected fine, and it has reasonable resolutions in the xorg.conf file, but the server insists on coming up in 640x480. I think it might be having trouble with the monitor refresh rates. Suggestions?
[06:58] <Razor-X> well, as far as I know, I don't think there's another way
[06:58] <hondje> maybe the diskmounter applet fr gnome
[06:59] <Razor-X> well, I use Kubuntu, so, I wouldn't know about that
[06:59] <JDahl> adam__, google for XFree86Config and the name of your monitor.. Then use those refresh-rates in advanced monitor setup under dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:59] <Razor-X> back when I first started with Linux, when  I was 11, IIRC, I used mount always
[07:00] <Razor-X> the command I had the hardest time learning was chmod, confused the crap out of me
[07:00] <goldfish> lol
[07:00] <goldfish> yeah
[07:00] <goldfish> it's confusing
[07:00] <Razor-X> and the man page doesen't help much
[07:00] <adam__> JDahl, Okay, thanks. I'll try that now.
[07:00] <goldfish> indeed :)
[07:00] <br33zy> hi
[07:00] <br33zy> i have 64-bit hoary, so i am guessing i cant see flashplayer-mozilla because it is a 32bit lib/prog/whatever. so, how can i get that 32-bit version installed?
[07:01] <Razor-X> I was pushed head-first into Linux CLI, the GUI never worked on the mahcine I tried it on, and thus, I was fored to learn BASH
[07:01] <Razor-X> *forced
[07:01] <Razor-X> I still love vi, to this day
[07:01] <br33zy> vi/vim is great
[07:01] <goldfish> cli is the way to go
[07:02] <Jormundgand> I tried to learn vi once. Gave up and used nano.
[07:02] <Razor-X> yeah, my IRC client is CLI ;)
[07:02] <Jormundgand> Some vi features are great, others bog it down.
[07:02] <Razor-X> an SSH connection, actually
[07:02] <br33zy> what the hell is CLI?
[07:02] <goldfish> command line
[07:02] <br33zy> ah
[07:02] <goldfish> interface
[07:02] <br33zy> hehe
[07:02] <Razor-X> Jormundgand: I learned vi when I was 11 ;)
[07:02] <Jormundgand> Razor-X: So you handle the PING/PONG yourself?
[07:02] <br33zy> ok'
[07:02] <Razor-X> Command Line Interface
[07:02] <br33zy> goldfish, wanna answer my quesiton?
[07:02] <Razor-X> Jormundgand: I didn't say Telnet, now did I?
[07:02] <goldfish> Razor-X: do u use mp3blaster to play mp3's ?
[07:02] <Razor-X> but, I have used IRC telnet
[07:02] <Razor-X> a fun experience
[07:02] <goldfish> i use netcat to irc :)
[07:02] <Razor-X> goldfish: not on this machine
[07:03] <Razor-X> goldfish: hah
[07:03] <bob2> goldfish: cplay is a nice alternative
[07:03] <goldfish> bob2: oooh, must try it out.
[07:03] <goldfish> thanks
[07:03] <br33zy> ok
[07:03] <br33zy> i have 64-bit hoary, so i am guessing i cant see flashplayer-mozilla because it is a 32bit lib/prog/whatever. so, how can i get that 32-bit version installed?
[07:03] <ablyss> 64bit horary as in x86 or solaris ?
[07:03] <Stargazer> Hi.. I'm new to ubuntu.. I just installed ubuntu ppc... Then I when into synaptic to install the Kubuntu desktop for KDE... I restarted but it still boots into Gnome.. How do you boot into KDE?
[07:03] <bob2> br33zy: reinstall the 32-bit i386 port
[07:03] <Razor-X> br33zy: not sure, really, I don't have 64bit hoary
[07:03] <br33zy> bob2, how?
[07:03] <bob2> ablyss: there's no "64 bit hoary", there is an amd64 port, tho
[07:03] <ablyss> oh
[07:04] <br33zy> eh ok
[07:04] <bob2> I don't know why people keep calling it "64bit"
[07:04] <bob2> br33zy: either reinstall with the i386 port, or create a 32-bit chroot
[07:04] <tkiesel> Stargazer: I think it has to do with choosing your session at the login screen.
[07:04] <Razor-X> bob2: you mean, it's a plain port?
[07:04] <br33zy> i think it might be because most of hte libs/programs are 64-bit libs/programs
[07:04] <bob2> br33zy: presumably the latter is documented in the wiki
[07:04] <newbie> Stargazer:try "xinit -- :1", then startkde
[07:04] <tkiesel> See if KDE is an option there when you login.
[07:04] <cody> hey
[07:04] <Razor-X> I thougt they added extra features and such
[07:04] <goldfish> Stargazer: click sessions and choose kde..
[07:04] <bob2> br33zy: well, yes, but all the libs on the alpha port are 64-bit, too
[07:04] <cody> i need somehelp i have tryed everything
[07:04] <goldfish> at login prompt
[07:04] <goldfish> hi cody
[07:05] <cody> hey
[07:05] <cody> me and my friend have a problem
[07:05] <bob2> Razor-X: er, the packages on all 3 are basically identical
[07:05] <ablyss> well doesn't it use a 64 bit cpu
[07:05] <cody> when we installed
[07:05] <br33zy> bob2, well i guess it wouldn't matter much than :-P
[07:05] <Razor-X> bob2: oh, hmm, I didn't know that
[07:05] <cody> ubuntu
[07:05] <bob2> ablyss: yes, but so do lots of other architectures
[07:05] <cody> we was using my default internal card
[07:05] <cody> now im on my ati after we did alot of work to it
[07:05] <br33zy> wiki eh? will check
[07:05] <cody> but
[07:05] <Razor-X> crap! I have to keep working on my Science Warmups!
[07:06] <cody> we cant get it to work with the new drivers
[07:06] <cody> any of them
[07:06] <ramblingturtle23> your ati video card
[07:06] <ramblingturtle23> cody
[07:06] <cody> yes
[07:06] <ramblingturtle23> what did you have in before that
[07:07] <goldfish> br33zy: irssi
[07:07] <cody> ATI Radeon 9200 PRo
[07:07] <Razor-X> goldfish: it's all about BitchX, ;)
[07:07] <br33zy> goldfish, k
[07:07] <cody> if you talk to me please same cody in the answer
[07:07] <goldfish> Razor-X: noticed he versioned me, but i changed my ctcp version reply :)
[07:08] <Razor-X> goldfish: ;)
[07:08] <Razor-X> yeah, I also have CTCP cloaking
[07:08] <goldfish> never liked bitchx myself for some reason
[07:08] <ablyss> i ought to take a creenshot
[07:08] <Razor-X> I tried BitchX first, but couldn't liken unto irssi
[07:09] <Razor-X> it's weird, tehy're almost identical but...
[07:09] <Razor-X> I just couldn't get a hang of irssi
[07:09] <fossa> i have a radeon 9200
[07:09] <goldfish> yeah....
[07:09] <Razor-X> *they're
[07:09] <wulfepup> hey hi!
[07:09] <br33zy> bob2, i can't seem to find that 32-bit i386 installing stuff in the wiki
[07:09] <goldfish> ah, irssi is alot better i think... once u get used to it
[07:09] <Razor-X> of course, being the multitasking freak
[07:09] <bob2> br33zy: the chroot? oh well
[07:09] <Razor-X> I have 14 windows in this screen session of BitchX ;)
[07:09] <br33zy> any of it actually
[07:09] <Razor-X> I have 3 other screen sessions as well
[07:09] <bob2> br33zy: if you care about binary proprietary junk, you're better off just running the i386 port, anyway
[07:10] <Razor-X> with IRC, anyways
[07:10] <goldfish> Razor-X: lol, i have 14 too, just the one screen session though
[07:10] <br33zy> bob2, how do I do that though?
[07:10] <bob2> br33zy: reinstall
[07:10] <br33zy> bob2, how do i select the
[07:10] <br33zy> oh
[07:10] <goldfish> Razor-X: wow, alot of channels :)
[07:10] <Razor-X> goldfish: heh, yeah
[07:10] <br33zy> i can't pick the i386 versions of apps to install?
[07:10] <bob2> br33zy: yes, by installing the i386 version of ubuntu
[07:11] <br33zy> bob2, how come there is a section for 32bit libs here then and 32bit binaries etc?
[07:11] <bob2> br33zy: where?
[07:11] <br33zy> bob2, hold u
[07:11] <br33zy>  /usr/lib32
[07:11] <bob2> there's ia32-libs, which lets you run some 32-bit i386 programs
[07:11] <br33zy> at least
[07:11] <bob2> as above
[07:11] <br33zy> and not mozilla?
[07:11] <bob2> it's a nasty hack until we have multi-arch, which would let you just install the i386 version of firefox on your machine
[07:11] <bob2> I don't know
[07:11] <newbie> What can i do to change the font in virtual terminal in Hoary. Because the fonts are to big.
[07:12] <bob2> you could try it
[07:12] <bob2> newbie: why not just use X?
[07:12] <wulfepup> just what is the difference between ext2 and ext3 ? I'm setting up for a dual boot on a pre-existing WinXp machine.... I'm getting ready to partition the HD...
[07:12] <br33zy> newbie, its in the kernel boot options
[07:12] <br33zy> if thats what you're supposed to call it
[07:12] <bob2> wulfepup: ext3 is basically the successor to ext2, just use it
[07:12] <newbie> how can do that?
[07:12] <wulfepup> bob2: thanks!
[07:13] <br33zy> newbie, hold
[07:13] <newbie> i tried to search on forum but i can't find the right answer.
[07:13] <syntaxerror64> wulfepup, from my reading ext2 is for the boot partition not a good choice for main fs
[07:13] <Razor-X> son of a....
[07:14] <Dashiva> ext3 is journaled, ext2 isn't
[07:14] <Razor-X> I just chown'ed ~ as root:root
[07:14] <Razor-X> I hate myself -_-
[07:14] <Razor-X> Dashiva: pssh, shut up Osan'Gar ;)
[07:14] <Dashiva> see
[07:14] <Dashiva> i picked this name when book 5 came out
[07:14] <Dashiva> i'm pre all that stoopid crap
[07:14] <Razor-X> XD
[07:15] <Dashiva> lol
[07:15] <Razor-X> LoC was the best book, IMO
[07:15] <Dashiva> eh maybe, anything before 7
[07:15] <ablyss> tada http://kbpro.ro/screenshots/screenshot_june_8_2005.jpg
[07:15] <Dashiva> that last one wasn't fit to stop my door
[07:15] <buffbikedude> Razor-X, at least you didn't chmod. I've had some fun figuring out what should be executable and what shouldn't before.
[07:15] <newbie> Razor-X what do u mean by LoC?
[07:16] <br33zy> newbie, http://www.waltdnes.org/tips_and_tricks/textmodes.html
[07:16] <Razor-X> newbie: that was for Dashiva
[07:16] <br33zy> newbie, http://www.8ung.at/spblinux/grub.htm
[07:16] <newbie> Ok
[07:16] <br33zy> newbie, even better: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/326296
[07:16] <Razor-X> buffbikedude: well, it auto-chmod's everything to 755
[07:17] <haffe> My machine is running gentoo now, but I want to install ubuntu on it. However I have som emails that I want to save on the machine. Should I just copy the emails to a cd-r?
[07:17] <Dashiva> just dweebspeak, ignore us
[07:17] <wulfepup> since space is lacking ...  (I have ~15G available for Linux, swap and a shared FAT32 (for file storage)) I was going to just have one partition for each of the three.. should I go to 4?
[07:17] <Dashiva> haffe, it depends on what format they're in, but you can normally just copy the email database
[07:17] <haffe> Dashiva, kmail.
[07:18] <Dashiva> i'd google, i've never used kmail, but you should be able to just backup one file
[07:18] <buffbikedude> Razor-X, ouch!
[07:18] <buffbikedude> Razor-X, what command-line did you use?
[07:18] <amonkey> how can i listen to a shoutcast stream? xmms doesn't seem to acknowledge it as audio and totem yells at me.
[07:19] <newbie> Breezy
[07:20] <cody> hey i need help
[07:20] <cody> heres my problem
[07:20] <ablyss> amonkey, have you tried a different stream?
[07:20] <cody> we have tryed everthing to get my ati to work right and nothing working
[07:20] <cody> we installed ubuntu with my onboard video
[07:20] <cody>  then installed ati after
[07:20] <newbie> I tried to append VGA=773 on my menu.lst. But it does'nt load the GDM. I have ATI 9200 se  card.
[07:21] <cody> but works but we cant get the right drivers to work
[07:21] <cody> so what do i do now
[07:21] <nootrope> hello!   anyone here used a Linksys wifi-G USB dongle w/Ubuntu?  my Live CD installation won't recognize it. I suppose I have to do something else...
[07:21] <br33zy> newbie, i dunno
[07:21] <br33zy> newbie, does anything else work?
[07:21] <br33zy> newbie, i dont use a VGA= at all
[07:22] <newbie> br33zy:what should i use then?
[07:22] <cody> can someone help me
[07:22] <Dashiva> i was wondering if there was a way to get some of the updated metaverse packages from breezy while maintaining the base of hoary
[07:23] <br33zy> newbie, have you tried using nothing?
[07:23] <hondje> Dashiva: look into /etc/apt/preferences
[07:23] <lok> Dashiva, you can test but you surely have a lot of deps problems due to that
[07:23] <Dashiva> yeah
[07:23] <Dashiva> that's what i figured
[07:23] <wulfepup> nootrope: it might bejust cause you're using Live .. I have a Blitzz Super G that other people have gotten working .. but I can't get it to be recognized under the Live CD.
[07:23] <amonkey> ablyss, i was trying the one off of 4chan (.pls), i assume it's good cuz everyone would yell if it wasn't
[07:23] <newbie> yes, It works but I dont like big fonts while loading ubuntu.
[07:23] <br33zy> ok
[07:24] <br33zy> that can be fixed
[07:24] <br33zy> you can use setfont -v and then a font from /usr/share/consolefonts/
[07:24] <br33zy> find an appropriate one then make a nasty little hack
[07:24] <nootrope> thanks wulfepup. i guess it would be superhuman to get a live cd to recognize every USB device out there.
[07:25] <newbie> do i have type setfont -v on term.
[07:25] <br33zy> yes
[07:25] <br33zy> but technically you can have a startup script that does it for you
[07:25] <br33zy> heh
[07:25] <br33zy> well first try it out and tell me if it works
[07:25] <amonkey> ablyss, nm, you are right. seems to be down. oops.
[07:25] <ablyss> it's safe to use telnet on my local connection right? I mean noone should be able to sniff my traffic when im behind a NAT, right?
[07:25] <Dashiva> another question then, just how unstable is breezy right now?
[07:25] <goldfish> ablyss: telnet is baaaaaad
[07:25] <br33zy> newbie, actually wait one second
[07:26] <ablyss> goldfish, :(
[07:26] <wulfepup> mines pcmcia .... the driver set is atheros and I've talked to several people who have it working for them...  So I'm just waiting on my Install CD to show up.
[07:26] <goldfish> ablyss: what about ssh?
[07:26] <br33zy> newbie, hmm i can't find setfont
[07:26] <ablyss> i never tried ssh
[07:26] <ablyss> apt-get install ssh?
[07:27] <goldfish> ablyss: openssh-server
[07:27] <goldfish> i think
[07:27] <br33zy> newbie, there is the package kbd-compat
[07:27] <nootrope> wulfepup: once i install the OS on my hd i'm sure it's just a matter of the right packages, etc. anyway, thanks for the info.
[07:27] <ablyss> k... im trying
[07:27] <wulfepup> nootrope: No prob!
[07:27] <goldfish> ablyss: ssh uses encyption
[07:27] <goldfish> ablyss: telnet doesnt
[07:27] <br33zy> newbie, lemme private message you
[07:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone know how to remove locals once they are installed?
[07:28] <ablyss> kewl..
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> *locales
[07:29] <wulfepup>  ablyss: have you tried using aptitude for easy acquisition of apt-get packages? (or the gui that comes with Ubuntu) they make life a lot easier to find teh exact package you're looking for.... and you can even find cool stuff you didn't know you wanted.
[07:29] <fr500> wulfepup, whats up
[07:29] <wulfepup> hey hi fr500!
[07:30] <fr500> is aptitude good? synaptic rocks
[07:30] <iBuntu> hello
[07:30] <wulfepup> aptitude is a command line version of it...
[07:30] <goldfish> synaptic is a front end for it
[07:30] <nootrope> later, wulfepup. cheers!
[07:30] <pmazer> how do i install fonts which aren't from the package manager?
[07:30] <fr500> apt-get is the command line
[07:30] <fr500> of synaptic
[07:30] <fr500> i broke my ubuntu for some uni work with longhorn and can't recover it for a couple of days
[07:30] <goldfish> yus
[07:30] <goldfish> ouch
[07:31] <ablyss> hey goldfish.. i just made my first ssh connection
[07:31] <wulfepup> aptitude is a "graphical" command line version od synaptic... it tells you what is installed what's available, etc...
[07:31] <fr500> oh
[07:31] <fr500> wulfepup, werent you a noob at linux?
[07:31] <wulfepup> yeah
[07:32] <wulfepup> I know just enough to be dangerous.. but not enough to any good.. LOL
[07:32] <fr500> hehehe
[07:32] <Seveas> :)
[07:32] <wulfepup> they never let me have root at my old job...
[07:32] <wulfepup> *pout*
[07:34] <Micksa> dammit, what does it mean if you turn off subpixel rendering in fonts prefs and it's still doing it?
[07:35] <Seveas> Micksa, maybe it means you need to restart the X-server
[07:35] <Micksa> done that
[07:35] <Micksa> restarted the whole computer even
[07:35] <Micksa> well not as an attempt to fix this :)
[07:35] <Micksa> but it's happened
[07:35] <Micksa> I don't like the way subpixel looks
[07:35] <Micksa> looks like a monitor with guns out of focus or something
[07:36] <Micksa> also I don't need it, I have 145DPI 8)
[07:36] <Micksa> (not that I mean to brag or anything)
[07:37] <pmazer> how do i install fonts which aren't from the package manager?
[07:37] <Micksa> what format are they in?
[07:37] <pmazer> pcf or ttf
[07:39] <Micksa> ah dammit
[07:39] <A[D] minS> i can download fluxbox debian package  and install it in Ubuntu?
[07:40] <Micksa> um, if that's all you have then you need to copy the files into some dir under /usr/share/X11/fonts and then run "mkfontdir" or "mkfontscale" or something
[07:40] <Micksa> then restart X
[07:40] <hondje> A[D] minS: Why not use ubuntus pkgs?
[07:40] <Micksa> I THINK
[07:40] <Micksa> that's all I know
[07:40] <fr500> A[D] minS, there is flux in apt i think
[07:40] <pmazer> Micksa, what format would be easiest?
[07:40] <hondje> yeah, it's in universe, sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[07:40] <JessupX> according to the channel list, ubuntu is third most popular distro after gentoo and debian
[07:41] <HrdwrBoB> JessupX: worst indicator of popularity ever
[07:41] <A[D] minS> hondje:  sorry .. am new  with ubnuntu ... where i can find mirrors for pakage ?... mdk user :)
[07:41] <JessupX> hahaha
[07:41] <A[D] minS> found it
[07:41] <A[D] minS> thx
[07:42] <JessupX> yeah, maybe thats number of people with problems ;)
[07:42] <ablyss> apt-get remove telnetd ..... i like this ssh
[07:42] <hondje> A[D] minS: You use your package manager, in gnome it's under system -> admin -> synaptic
[07:42] <fr500> A[D] minS, www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:42] <A[D] minS> thx hondje  fr500  :)... googling :)
[07:43] <JessupX> uuuugh...  wlan0: no such device
[07:44] <Micksa> eth1?
[07:44] <JessupX> nope, nothin
[07:44] <JessupX> no eth0
[07:44] <JessupX> eth1 or wlan0
[07:44] <goldfish> JessupX: what does iwconfig tell you?
[07:45] <JessupX> thats a different module..  i have to use prism2_usb
[07:45] <goldfish> oh
[07:45] <goldfish> sorry
[07:45] <goldfish> wasnt paying attention :)
[07:45] <JessupX> iwconfig says no wireless extentions
[07:46] <goldfish> JessupX: have you loaded the prism2_usb module?
[07:46] <JessupX> yep...  i configured /etc/wlan/wlan.conf
[07:46] <goldfish> hmm
[07:46] <JessupX> i created wlancfg-XXXX (where xxx is the name of my network)
[07:47] <JessupX> i edited /etc/iftab
[07:47] <JessupX> i edited /etc/network/interfaces
[07:47] <JessupX> i dont know what else to do
[07:47] <goldfish> hmmm
[07:47] <ce_cute> ?
[07:48] <ce_cute> ?
[07:48] <goldfish> JessupX: so it definitely shows up in 'lsmod' ?
[07:48] <ce_cute> ?
[07:48] <JessupX> i followed these instructions
[07:48] <JessupX> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:SfWOOL4fhcgJ:www.mepislovers.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php%3Fviewmode%3Dflat%26topic_id%3D2589%26forum%3D21+prism2_usb+interfaces+example&hl=en
[07:48] <goldfish> ce_cute: hello.
[07:48] <ce_cute> ?
[07:48] <ce_cute> hel....hello.....?
[07:48] <DCG> there a guide for bootstrapping a kubuntu chroot install?
[07:48] <JessupX> yep i see it there
[07:48] <JessupX> along with
[07:49] <JessupX> p80211
[07:49] <JessupX> and usbcore
[07:49] <ce_cute> ?
[07:49] <JessupX> the light lights up
[07:49] <ce_cute> ?
[07:49] <goldfish> ce_cute: what's with all the ???
[07:49] <ce_cute> thats cute?
[07:50] <ganatronic> I think it's ugly
[07:50] <ce_cute> ?
[07:50] <goldfish> ce_cute: STOP!!
[07:50] <ce_cute> thanks!
[07:50] <JessupX> ce_cute writes down how many '?' he puts in a channel before they say stop
[07:51] <JessupX> he has graphs and charts
[07:51] <ce_cute> he..he..?
[07:51] <JessupX> err
[07:51] <JessupX> she
[07:51] <ce_cute> so?
[07:51] <Micksa> there are many people that are very new to this whole chatting-over-the-internet thing
[07:51] <Micksa> so they don't know the ettiquete
[07:51] <JessupX> hehehe
[07:51] <Micksa> then again
[07:52] <Micksa> there are many people that are just assholes
[07:52] <ce_cute> yeah?
[07:52] <ce_cute> not so?
[07:52] <JessupX> it doesnt really help my wlan problem
[07:52] <JessupX> :(
[07:53] <JessupX> and now my info on my problem has scrolled off the screen
[07:53] <JessupX> owell
[07:53] <wulfepup> So.. assuming I have 5 GB of HD spacehow should I spread it out for the Ubuntu install?
[07:53] <JessupX> it wasnt gunna happen anyway
[07:53] <ce_cute> then?
[07:53] <JessupX> wireless usb in LINUX??
[07:53] <JessupX> never!
[07:53] <nalioth> wulfepup: only ubuntu?
[07:54] <DCG> wulfepup: you could go the easy route and putting 512MB for swap, rest for root
[07:55] <wulfepup> Ubuntu and swap ...  I have 10GB saved for a shared FAT32 partion... and too much in an existing WinXP...
[07:55] <nalioth> wulfepup: how much ram?
[07:56] <wulfepup> 512
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any way to turn off the row highlighting in nautilus?
[07:56] <ce_cute> ????????
[07:56] <Seveas> wulfepup, you need at least 512 swap too
[07:56] <ce_cute> ???????????
[07:56] <ce_cute> ??????
[07:56] <nalioth> wulfepup: what DCG said
[07:56] <Seveas> ce_cute, stop it...
[07:56] <DCG> usually its a good idea to have atleast as much swap as actual ram
[07:56] <ce_cute> ?????????
[07:56] <ce_cute> ???????????
[07:56] <ce_cute> ?????????
[07:56] <ajmitch> ce_cute: please stop
[07:56] <ce_cute> ?????????
[07:56] <DCG> some ppl suggest up to 3x or 5x
[07:56] <ce_cute> ?????????
[07:56] <ce_cute> ???????????/
[07:56] <ce_cute> ?????????
[07:56] <ce_cute> ???????????
[07:56] <nalioth> DCG only if you have a puny amount of machine
[07:56] <ce_cute> ?????????
[07:56] <Seveas> ajmitch, can you please quiet him
[07:56] <wulfepup> and more is better? so maybe 1G swap and the rest as / ?
[07:56] <ce_cute> ????????????
[07:56] <JessupX> i guess i am gunna have to run cat5
[07:56] <DCG> someone wanna ban ce_cute?
[07:56] <ajmitch> Seveas: sadly, yes
[07:57] <bob2> ce_cute: ?
[07:57] <nalioth> wulfepup: 512 is great
[07:57] <ce_cute> yeah??????
[07:57] <bob2> ce_cute: you're going to stop that, right?
[07:57] <wulfepup> ok, cool.
[07:57] <JessupX> ce_cute your what, 14?
[07:57] <DCG> nalioth: i've seen people with 4GB of ram and a 8GB swap partition
[07:57] <ce_cute> ummmm??????????
[07:57] <wulfepup> must be nice.. *sigh*
[07:57] <ce_cute> errrrrrrrrr??????//
[07:57] <JessupX> 12?
[07:57] <nalioth> DCG yes and what CPU?
[07:57] <DCG> nalioth: power5
[07:58] <nalioth> DCG: well there ya go
[07:58] <nalioth> DCG: that system can use that setup
[07:58] <JessupX> the operators prepare..
[07:58] <ce_cute> ????????????/
[07:58] <DCG> or was it power4
[07:58] <DCG> i forget
[07:58] <bob2> ce_cute: perhaps english isn't your native language, but you're being disruptive, so please stop using so many question marks
[07:58] <ce_cute> ??????????
[07:58] <ajmitch> thanks bob2
[07:58] <Tezkah> Praise "Bob"!
[08:01] <wulfepup> Ok.. so here's my curret plan.. how crazy/stupid/foolish am I? Take the 55G WinXP drive, shrink it as small as I can given current file storage, (roughly 40G used).. partition the left over into a 4.5G / ext2, a 512M swap, and 10G shared FAT32....
[08:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's a good ubuntu packaged app for watching dvds?
[08:02] <DCG> xine or ogle
[08:02] <DCG> both do menus afaik.
[08:02] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:02] <ajmitch> wulfepup: I'd suggest ext3, rather than ext2
[08:02] <wulfepup> THEN...move as much of my mp3, docs, and other files to the shared
[08:02] <bob2> wulfepup: you'll have to have /home/ on /, then
[08:02] <wulfepup> then shrink the Win more and increase the /
[08:02] <wulfepup> ?
[08:03] <nalioth> wulfepup: better idea. make 45gb fat32, leave 5gb just for winduhs (the stuff it HAS to have on the same partition) move all your program files to the fat32, and have 4.5 for linux and a half-gig swap
[08:04] <wulfepup> bob2: I'm still unsure of exactly what the various /foo are for, and why having them on different partitions of teh same drive is any better or worse than same partition.
[08:05] <nalioth> wulfepup: set up yer linux to automount a shared folder from the fat32 into your homedir and your set
[08:05] <bob2> wulfepup: for a desktop, there's not much point splitting them up
[08:05] <wulfepup> nalioth: that would mean burning off a *lot* of cds or a lot of back and forth in the Partion Magic...
[08:05] <bob2> wulfepup: aside from /home, which is handy to have seperate in case you have to reinstall
[08:05] <wulfepup> bob2: ahhhh
[08:06] <bob2> wulfepup: but you can't have /home on fat32
[08:06] <bob2> you can have /home on /, tho, and symlink /home/you/docs/ to the fat32 disk
[08:06] <nalioth> wulfepup: hence having the shared fat32 folder in your homedir
[08:06] <wulfepup> Do all of these partitions have to be "primary"?
[08:06] <nalioth> wulfepup: nope
[08:07] <bob2> wulfepup: no
[08:07] <bob2> wulfepup: windows pukes on disks with more than 4 primarys partitions, tho
[08:07] <bob2> iirc
[08:07] <wulfepup> *sigh*
[08:07] <Seveas> windows pukes. point.
[08:07] <nalioth> bob2 mebbe we can wean him off of winduhs
[08:07] <Seveas> ;)
[08:08] <wulfepup> I'm working on it... but I'm just not ready yet....
[08:08] <Seveas> wulfepup, take you time
[08:08] <nalioth> wulfepup: we will be here for any ???s you might have
[08:08] <wulfepup> I've gotten quite set in my ways these past 20 some odd years
[08:08] <wulfepup> It all started back in the day witha TRS-80 Model 4
[08:09] <wulfepup> *sigh* TRS-Dos and Basic
[08:09] <Tezkah> oh yeah well BeOS is making a come back
[08:09] <JessupX> come back? where they ever there? ;)
[08:10] <Dashiva> beos was the best OS evar
[08:10] <Dashiva> evar!
[08:10] <Tezkah> BeOS IS the best OS ever
[08:10] <Pwn3r> im using vncserver and recently my keymap in the vnc viewer is messed up
[08:10] <Tezkah> haha
[08:10] <JessupX> better then amega?
[08:10] <wulfepup> then I moved up to an IBM-clone running Win 1 or some such and I've been a member of teh Bill-of-Borg collective ever since.
[08:10] <Tezkah> amiga is the greatest
[08:10] <Dashiva> well, if i could get it to work on my athlon it would move to the present tense
[08:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> BeOS _was_ the best OS.
[08:10] <nalioth> wulfepup: freedom is very close
[08:10] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, yeah, but that's way in the past
[08:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> But it hasn't been able to run on modern hardware for 5 years.
[08:10] <Tezkah> Dashiva: yeah... I was hoping Zeta would be able to support my laptop's weird graphics card... too bad
[08:10] <markmondaytuesda> i have a question regarding alsa if anyone here wants to help...
[08:10] <Dashiva> yeah
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> yellowtab.com
[08:11] <Dashiva> plus zeta's like eleventybillion dollars
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> linux has caught up to beos in many respects.
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> Zeta is uber expensive.
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> why buy Zeta when you can run Linux for free?
[08:11] <Dashiva> i've literally tried every athlon/p4 patch to make it run, no dice
[08:11] <chrchr> So, hey, the Windows Start menu is nice and keyboard navigable. Hit Win, followed by the first letter of the submenu you want to open, etc.
[08:11] <chrchr> Does GNOME Panel do anything like that?
[08:11] <Dashiva> well, that's the point, ubuntu is merely a stop on the road to Haiku
[08:11] <Tezkah> alt+f1 is the default shortcut, I think
[08:11] <Tezkah> icewm has a nicer  keyboard thing
[08:11] <bob2> chrchr: if you want it to.  the default keybinding is alt-f1.
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> the only thing i still want from beos is the Tracker.
[08:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> Tracker kicked Nautilus's ass.
[08:12] <chrchr> Tezkah: Yes, but you can't navigate the menu after that.
[08:12] <Tezkah> BFS was also pretty awesome, wasn't it?
[08:12] <Tezkah> chrchr: yeah, I don't know then
[08:12] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: you know that xffm is "da bomb"! heh heheh
[08:12] <wulfepup> so, why is Ubuntu better than vanilla Debian?
[08:12] <bob2> wulfepup: try it and see
[08:12] <nalioth> wulfepup: user friendlyness <smile>
[08:12] <wulfepup> (just looking for opinions, not a flame war)
[08:12] <Tezkah> wulfepup: Ubuntu is Debian Unstable made Stable every 6 months
[08:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> xffm?
[08:13] <Tezkah> basically just an awesome up to date version of Debian
[08:13] <nalioth> or is that "help channel friendliness"?
[08:13] <Dashiva> Ubuntu is debian with 75% less elitists
[08:13] <ablyss> hey i fit right in then
[08:13] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: xfce file mangler
[08:13] <thoreauputic> Dashiva: hahah - nice one :)
[08:13] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: was a very bad joke
[08:13] <bob2> Dashiva: and 90% less skillful developers
[08:13] <markmondaytuesda> is there a gentoo portage equivalent to for ubuntu
[08:13] <wulfepup> I have to admit that I've enjoyed my Ubuntu Live more than my coLinux Debian...
[08:13] <bob2> er, in number, not skill
[08:13] <bob2> markmondaytuesda: er, apt?
[08:13] <Dashiva> yeah, but they do a good enough job
[08:13] <ajmitch> bob2: we still have skill..
[08:14] <bob2> ajmitch: sure, but there's only 1/10th as many of you :)
[08:14] <Dashiva> debian is like a thousand people tripping over eachother
[08:14] <ajmitch> bob2: 1/100 for universe
[08:14] <bob2> ajmitch: hmmm, right
[08:14] <nalioth> wulfepup: i been using linux over 5 years and its easily the most user friendly distro i've used
[08:14] <ablyss> i still have two working beos partitions on this system... wouldn't have it any other way
[08:14] <ajmitch> although we're up to > 20 now
[08:14] <bob2> ajmitch: I'm atill amazed at how much you guys get done
[08:14] <bob2> "MOTU: Sleep is for the weak."
[08:14] <ajmitch> simple, we don't have as much politics to deal with :)
[08:14] <chrchr> I want to gripe about GNOME panel navigation some more.
[08:15] <bob2> chrchr: you're welcome to file a bug if no one else has
[08:15] <bob2> it does seem like an odd ommission
[08:15] <chrchr> If GNOME were Windows, I could hit "Alt-F1" and then hit "G" and the "Games" submenu would open.
[08:15] <bob2> goldfish: I doubt that
[08:15] <chrchr> Then, I could hit "B" and the Blackjack game would launch.
[08:15] <Tezkah> goldfish: if the debian guys told you to join #gentoo... they were probably joking
[08:15] <bob2> goldfish: it was probably more like "if you're going to insist on compiling things for no reason, why don't you just go to #gentoo?"
 It seems like they must have *decided* not to make it work like the Windows Start menu, and I'm wondering why.
[08:16] <goldfish> bob2: aye, most likely.
[08:16] <Tezkah> BROKEN_LADDER: XFFM sucks, use DFM ;)
[08:16] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: hence me saying it was a joke
[08:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> no..i'm done trying file managers.
[08:16] <wulfepup> I might have to go over to Kubuntu though .... I'm not crazy about Gnome either.. KDE seemed like it had more packages and was more intuitive for a Win user...
[08:16] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: just learn your shell and learn it well
[08:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> nautilus would be good if i could get rid of those highlight bars.
[08:16] <nalioth> wulfepup: it is
[08:16] <chrchr> johan_: That there's a simple thing Windows does with menus that makes them much more powerful than the GNOME panel.
[08:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 shell always will have disadvantages to gui file managers.
[08:17] <johan_> powerful?
[08:17] <Micksa> and advantagers
[08:17] <Micksa> thankyouverymuch :)
[08:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 when people suggest completely replacing a file manager with a shell, i suspect they are unrealistic zealots.
[08:17] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: in some situations, yes.  just like gui file manages will always be crap for many tasks.
[08:17] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: have you tried "mc"?
[08:17] <johan_> gnome is made to be pretty not powerful
[08:17] <Tezkah> shell is one of the best things about Linux
[08:17] <Micksa> bob2: beatya
[08:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 for quickly dropping a whole slew of songs into a play list, gui rules.
[08:17] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: ok!
[08:17] <DCG> can someone help me with dchroot? i'm getting an error dchroot: chdir: No such file or directory
[08:17] <bob2> johan_: in what ways is it not powerful?
[08:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> johan_ that's greatly oversimplistic.
[08:17] <bob2> DCG: that probably means your /etc/dchroot.conf is incorrect
[08:18] <wulfepup> the power of shell is second biggest reason I'm looking at making the switch....  stability and Bill Gates are tied for the biggest reasons.. LOL
[08:18] <johan_> define powerful
[08:18] <Micksa> oooer
[08:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> gnome is functional and minimalistic, especially compared to kde.
[08:18] <Micksa> gee, this whole gui vs cmdline debate has never been done before
[08:18] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: hmm.... mpg321 * in a dir of mp3 s is pretty easy ...
[08:18] <chrchr> Does the KDE panel thing do this keyboard nav. thing I'm describing?
[08:18] <DCG> bob2: "hoary /mnt/i386" is the only line there, and my chroot is /mnt/i386
[08:19] <wulfepup> chrchr: dunno.... never tried...  hang on a sec..
[08:19] <hondje> Some people like KDE, some like Gnome, some like XFce, some like Flux....who cares? :p
[08:19] <bob2> DCG: does "sudo chroot /mnt/i386/ /bin/bash" work? "sudo dchroot"?
[08:19] <johan_> right hondje
[08:19] <Tezkah> hondje: I'm offended you didn't mention icewm :P
[08:19] <hondje> Tezkah: heh
[08:19] <johan_> afterstep
[08:19] <hondje> twm
[08:20] <Tezkah> the only real WM is GNU Screen
[08:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> thoreauputic what if you don't want to play the directory?1
[08:20] <DCG> bob2: yes, chroot itself works, and dchroot by itself works, but not -d
[08:20] <bob2> DCG: does your shell exist in the chroot?
[08:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> thoreauputic how about adding or removing files on the fly?
[08:20] <DCG> yes, i'm using bash in both
[08:21] <bob2> DCG: guess you've set an environment variable that something in the chroot doesn't like
[08:21] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: fg ; ctrl-c ; ctrl -z ; bg
[08:21] <hondje> if people are going to debate gui vs cli, can we get vi vs emacs going too?
[08:21] <bob2> no
[08:21] <DCG> bob2: figured it out, dchroot -d doesnt work if you are root.
[08:21] <hondje> :(
[08:21] <Amaranth> phew, got internet back
[08:22] <Amaranth> sitting here with no internet access to distract me from working on smeg was scary
[08:22] <hondje> scary == easter eggs? :)
[08:22] <nalioth> Tezkah: all hail gnu screen
[08:22] <wulfepup> chrchr: it did not for me...
[08:22] <nalioth> screen rox
[08:22] <Amaranth> i, uh, broke my translators
[08:22] <Amaranth> err, translations
[08:23] <Amaranth> i made translation compilation automatic (compile .po to .mo), added lots of checks to make smeg work on other distros, and added enough new strings to make my translations nearly worthless
[08:23] <iBuntu> i am trying to update repositories
[08:23] <ajmitch> Amaranth: how's smeg going?
[08:23] <iBuntu> it works i have multi and universe
[08:23] <iBuntu> but I got this error
[08:24] <Amaranth> ajmitch: rolling along, need someone to review 0.7.5 and upload it to universe (*hint*)
[08:24] <iBuntu> root@ubuntu:/home/nate # sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[08:24] <iBuntu> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily u navailable)
[08:24] <iBuntu> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is anothe r process using it?
[08:24] <ajmitch> Amaranth: alright :)
[08:24] <Amaranth> ajmitch: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToReview
[08:24] <ajmitch> iBuntu: check & see if synaptic or apt-get is running elsewhere
[08:24] <hondje> iBuntu: do you have symantic open?
[08:24] <nalioth> iBuntu: you have to be root or have another apt open
[08:24] <Amaranth> update-manager could be running
[08:25] <Amaranth> it runs once a day to see if any updates are available
[08:25] <ablyss> from what i can tell he's arleady logged in as root, so no need to type sudo
[08:25] <johan_> how come people /msg in this channel
[08:26] <goldfish> hmmm
[08:26] <iBuntu> ok, that was stupid mistake
[08:26] <hondje> Because they're are a lot of newbies unfamiliar w/ IRC, I guess
[08:26] <iBuntu> but now I dont know what to get in order to play my movies
[08:26] <ablyss> what do you mean?
[08:26] <iBuntu> tried w43codecs
[08:27] <johan_> why people from windows use ubuntu
[08:27] <Dashiva> a projector?
[08:27] <wulfepup> chrchr: KDE accepts the Windows key, but does nothing with any further keystrokes.... just like teh Gnome.. sorry.
[08:27] <thoreauputic> johan_: I guess they heard it was an easy way to try Linux
[08:27] <wulfepup> johan_: to move up and out of teh oppresion of Bill of Borg.
[08:28] <iBuntu> i use ppc
[08:28] <iBuntu> so I'm already resisting from idiocy
[08:28] <johan_> Bill of Borg!
[08:28] <nalioth> iBuntu: then w32codecs won't work for you
[08:29] <hondje> hehe
[08:29] <iBuntu> why?
[08:29] <iBuntu> should it be in the multiverse?
[08:29] <nalioth> iBuntu: because they only work on x86 hardware
[08:30] <iBuntu> i am just try apt-get
[08:30] <iBuntu> oh ic
[08:30] <wulfepup> Hey guys, I think I'm cutting out for the night, thanks for the help!  and wish me luck on my Interview @ Lockheed Martin Thursday...
[08:30] <nalioth> wulfepup: you go get 'em
[08:30] <iBuntu> good luck
[08:30] <wulfepup> :)
[08:30] <thoreauputic> iBuntu: if you dual boot you can run mac-on-linux and play movies that way...
[08:30] <nalioth> wulfepup: send us kewl pix of the robot planes
[08:31] <iBuntu> no
[08:31] <iBuntu> i refuse to use os x on 333mhz
[08:31] <nalioth> iBuntu: i don't blame ya
[08:31] <thoreauputic> iBuntu: ah, yes that would be a pain indeed
[08:31] <iBuntu> tiger pwns everything but even os 10.1 on this laptop sux balls
[08:31] <hondje> Just wait two years, then you can use w32codecs ;-)
[08:31] <nalioth> hondje: heh
[08:31] <iBuntu> maybe sooner than 2 years
[08:31] <iBuntu> os x runs on x86
[08:32] <DCG> yea
[08:32] <iBuntu> and apple is supposedly moving to intel
[08:32] <nalioth> well time for sleep
[08:32] <nalioth> y'all be good
[08:32] <DCG> if you are a lucky adc member you can get osx/intel in 2 weeks
[08:32] <thoreauputic> iBuntu: I think that was the point...
[08:32] <SirMud> there's pics of osx on intel hardware
[08:32] <iBuntu> i am, sweet!
[08:32] <dell500> how do you get the version of fglrx/ati drivers currently installed??
[08:32] <nalioth> DCG ya don't have to be lucky, just have money
[08:32] <DCG> heh
[08:33] <DCG> sirmud: url?
[08:33] <SirMud> saw it on digg
[08:33] <SirMud> it'll be on slashdot in a day or two
[08:34] <iBuntu> whats the best ppc video player, or how do i get codecs for xvid, mov etc
[08:34] <iBuntu> they say they had osx on x86 for 2 years now
[08:34] <SirMud> http://www.digg.com/apple
[08:35] <SirMud> vlc should have a ppc version, it'll play all of em
[08:35] <thoreauputic> SirMud: not without the codecs
[08:35] <ablyss> mplayer plays .mov files for me
[08:35] <iBuntu> ok, i got that, someone suggested earlier today
[08:36] <TMM> you simply won't be able to use the binary only codecs, ffmpeg and faad/faac and friends should work just fine
[08:36] <ablyss> i copied my win32 codecs of my windows partition to my mplayer directory
[08:37] <ablyss> seemed to work
[08:37] <TMM> it's quite rare these days to find a movie you can't play without closed source codecs
[08:37] <thoreauputic> ablyss: yes, but he's on PPC :)
[08:37] <HrdwrBoB> TMM: 'patented'
[08:37] <ablyss> wow.. that's a tough one
[08:37] <HrdwrBoB> there's a few codecs which have source implementations that aren't strictly legal to use
[08:37] <TMM> pff 'patented' ffmpeg guys don't care about that :)
[08:39] <DentArthurDent> mplayer only seems to have codecs for real8 and xanim for ppc
[08:40] <bob2> where codecs = "illegally distributed binary proprietary libraries", eys
[08:40] <bob2> it can play bajillions of other formats using proper codecs
[08:40] <nutorian> Why is linux better than windows? just out of curriousity
[08:41] <hondje> Why is chocolate better than vanilla?
[08:41] <nutorian> its not
[08:41] <nutorian> :\
[08:41] <hondje> hehe
[08:41] <goldfish> nutorian: better security, no gay viruses all the time
[08:41] <DentArthurDent> linux is made with love
[08:41] <lok> oooooooooh
[08:41] <goldfish> nutorian: more control over hardware and things
[08:41] <lok> nice answer
[08:41] <DentArthurDent> and penguins
[08:42] <bob2> nutorian: it's not better
[08:42] <monchy> it's a thinking man's OS
[08:42] <thoreauputic> nutorian: the fact that it isn't made by greedy unprincipled monopolists?
[08:42] <DentArthurDent> and probaly a panda or two
[08:42] <bob2> it's different and lots of people like it
[08:42] <lok> DentArthurDent, some snake
[08:42] <goldfish> you dont have to erase Temp & temporary internet files everytime you browse pr0n on linux
[08:43] <nutorian> I should write this stuff down
[08:43] <goldfish> nutorian: is this a serious question?
[08:43] <DentArthurDent> if i had a nickel for everytime i said i should write that down, i'd have like....$1.65
[08:43] <nutorian> anyone here know anything about sound/
[08:44] <nutorian> relatively
[08:44] <DentArthurDent> i know mine doesn't work in firefox-flash
[08:44] <lok> it's a air movement
[08:44] <DentArthurDent> vibrations and all that
[08:44] <hondje> ask in #physics
[08:44] <nutorian> mine doesnt work period
[08:44] <thoreauputic> nutorian: it's a free protocol that works wirelessly without digital encoding...
[08:44] <goldfish> lol
[08:44] <iBuntu> no automatic process suspension
[08:44] <chrchr> Is there a way to disable the "recent files" lists?
[08:45] <iBuntu> memory buffer overflows
[08:45] <DentArthurDent> never open any files?
[08:45] <iBuntu> ntfs
[08:45] <chrchr> DentArthurDent: Ha ha
[08:45] <iBuntu> cant' run 16-bit windows application
[08:45] <nutorian> what are programs I can use to configure my sound/drivers
[08:45] <DentArthurDent> ibuntu: what 16bit windows app you wanna run?
[08:46] <DentArthurDent> did ya try system->preferences->sound nutorian?
[08:46] <iBuntu> pds ledger
[08:47] <DentArthurDent> not alot o options, but could be something simple
[08:47] <iBuntu> its an accounting program
[08:47] <iBuntu> i think its just a corupted system folder tho
[08:47] <DentArthurDent> lol
[08:47] <iBuntu> which leads to another exampleof whywindows sux
[08:47] <thoreauputic> nutorian: also check your mixer and see if any channels need to be unmuted (seriously)
[08:48] <DentArthurDent> granted i don't use accounting programs, but i'd think there would be a good one out by now for linux
[08:48] <DentArthurDent> im sure someone can come up with a suggestion
[08:49] <nutorian> How do you whisper in the channel?
[08:49] <goldfish> whisper?
[08:49] <nutorian> talk to an induvidual
[08:49] <DCG> DentArthurDent: uhm, theres one for gnome
[08:49] <lok> just use a police size smaller :)
[08:49] <DCG> DentArthurDent: if you are just talking spreadsheets
[08:49] <goldfish> nutorian: /msg name message
[08:50] <DentArthurDent> im sure there is dcg, i don't use em, they're icky...openoffice has a spreadsheet
[08:50] <sproingie> general ledger != spreadsheet
[08:50] <hondje> gnumeric
[08:50] <DCG> me != accountant
[08:50] <goldfish> lol
[08:50] <DCG> hondje: thanks, thats what i was thinkin of
[08:50] <sproingie> unfortunately googling for "linux GL" is going to pull up opengl stuff
[08:52] <DentArthurDent> is it just me, or does mldonkey kinda suxor
[08:52] <DCG> there an easy way to get a macos style tasklisk for kde?
[08:52] <subterrific> kinda?
[08:52] <iBuntu> vlc just gave me some errors
[08:52] <subterrific> kinda is being nice
[08:52] <iBuntu> i downloaded everything for it tho
[08:53] <iBuntu> DCG
[08:53] <iBuntu> use gnome
[08:53] <DentArthurDent> holdon...mac style....kde.....brain exploding
[08:53] <iBuntu> but there is a theme thats kinda like macos
[08:54] <DCG> iBuntu: i would, but i just went through installing kde and getting compositing going, i've got baghira going nice right now, but i'm just a tiny bit annoyed that i've not figured out how to get a drop down tasklist menu
[08:54] <sproingie> sql-ledger.org looks pretty powerful
[08:54] <DCG> iBuntu: http://www.consolevision.com/members/dcgrendel/snapshot2.jpg (~260kb 1600x1200 desktop with translucent windows and baghira)
[08:55] <DentArthurDent> can anyone reccomend a p2p app that doesn't suck like mldonkey
[08:55] <hondje> sftpd
[08:55] <DagaZ> linuxdc++
[08:56] <goldfish> DentArthurDent: limewire? amule?
[08:56] <n4z4> Hi all!
[08:56] <goldfish> dc++
[08:56] <lok> gtk-gnutella
[08:56] <iBuntu> is there a way to use anything else besides f12 for right click?
[08:56] <DentArthurDent> got limewire, works ok but runs slow due to java
[08:56] <DentArthurDent> couldn't get amule to work
[08:56] <bob2> iBuntu: you can change which key it is
[08:57] <n4z4> anyone know if is possible install ubuntu in an old 486 with nodesktop??
[08:57] <bob2> n4z4: how much ram does it have?
[08:57] <DentArthurDent> you'd prolly wanna go with damn small linux
[08:57] <n4z4> 16/24mb
[08:57] <bob2> n4z4: that won't be very fun
[08:57] <n4z4> mmm
[08:58] <bob2> n4z4: but if you leave your sources.list pointing at main only, it'll work
[08:58] <bob2> but take a long time
[08:58] <iBuntu> nice pic DCG
[08:58] <DentArthurDent> hell, if you're goin for fun, put fedora core on it
[08:58] <n4z4> i'll try
[08:58] <n4z4> now i look small linux thanks DentArthurDent
[08:59] <shale> anyone here running ati 64-bit drivers with hoary64 on amd64 ?
[08:59] <DCG> iBuntu: would you believe i just installed kubuntu this morning?
[08:59] <DagaZ> DentArthurDent: what use is that.. fedoras installer wouldn't even bother to start
[08:59] <DentArthurDent> im gonna try sometime to get my ol 386 runnin linux
[08:59] <markmondaytuesda> how do i make a vnc server of gnome in ubuntu?
[08:59] <DentArthurDent> last i used redhat it had a console install
[08:59] <johan_> i need to built a system for my grandmother
[08:59] <bob2> DentArthurDent: 386 is harder
[08:59] <DCG> markmondaytuesda: you can add xvnc to gdm.conf
[09:00] <goldfish> DCG: xcompmgr transset?
[09:00] <johan_> what distro and system would you recommend
[09:00] <bob2> DentArthurDent: since modern distributions won't run on it at all (the C++ standard library requires >= 486)
[09:00] <DCG> goldfish: kde 3.4 composite manager support, baghira 0.6f
[09:00] <johan_> i mean cpu, mobo,card and distro so that it is rock solid
[09:00] <goldfish> nice
[09:00] <Miserable> Having a bit of a problem, wonder if anyone can help: I'm setting up a udev rule for my external USB hard drive, but all I get in my logs is a message that a configured rule matched and 'sda' was ignored; no devices show up (although it should set NAME="%k" and SYMLINK="usbhd%n"). The exact same rule works fine on my Gentoo box.
[09:01] <iBuntu> yes i would
[09:01] <n4z4> DentArthurDent: and you use fedoa for your old pc?
[09:01] <iBuntu> i just installed ubuntu on ppc last night
[09:01] <DentArthurDent> n4z4: lol, no i can't even put it on my new box
[09:01] <n4z4> ah ok
[09:01] <iBuntu> this is the 2nd install on this laptop cuz i had to repartion to get rid of mac osx
[09:01] <n4z4> ok bye bye
[09:01] <DagaZ> johan_: the slowers machine I have been happy running ubuntu on is a P3 450 with 128 mb ram
[09:01] <DCG> goldfish: only probs i've had is with glx and xv, dragging an overlay window off screen causes nvidia's drivers to crash, and overlays are always-on-top  also some occasional probs that backingstore could probably fix
[09:02] <lok> Miserable, did the /dev/sdax existe when you connect your usb drive ?
[09:02] <DentArthurDent> johan_: i bought this 1ghz p3 on ebay for $75 loaded
[09:02] <johan_> thats good
[09:02] <DentArthurDent> haven't had a single problem with ubuntu or knoppix on it
[09:02] <goldfish> DCG: :/
[09:02] <Miserable> lok: Prior to connecting it, of course, it did not. When I connect it, the nodes are created -unless- I create my custom rule, in which case they are not.
[09:04] <DentArthurDent> if you're gonna go new pc, go ibm johan_
[09:04] <nutorian> does anyone know a place to get CREATIVE SB LIVE! 24BIT 7.1 VARPAK drivers?
[09:05] <DentArthurDent> google?
[09:05] <johan_> i'll do
[09:05] <DentArthurDent> only prob with ibm is they're freakin expensive
[09:05] <saibear> hey all i am useing kubuntu and am haveing all kinds of trouble
[09:05] <DagaZ> acer works good too
[09:06] <saibear> can any one help
[09:06] <bob2> saibear: #kubuntu might be a better place to ask
[09:06] <DentArthurDent> thats probaly the funniest thing ive ever heard dagaZ
[09:06] <lok> Miserable, I don't see why this not works sorry, maybe a change between the two version of udev in gentoo and hoary
[09:06] <DagaZ> DentArthurDent: why?
[09:06] <saibear> well i
[09:07] <shale> anyone here running ati 64-bit drivers with hoary64 on amd64 ?
[09:07] <DentArthurDent> past experiences with acers and windows 95
[09:07] <bob2> shale: probably easier to just ask your question
[09:07] <shale> that is my question
[09:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi holycow :)
[09:08] <DagaZ> DentArthurDent: ok.. I have been selling loads of them at the store without any problems
[09:08] <bob2> shale: "yes, lots of people are"
[09:08] <holycow> hey :)
[09:08] <DentArthurDent> in us? i haven't seen an acer in a long time
[09:08] <saibear> well every time i go to download something and install it i get gtk or gcc is not there
[09:08] <iBuntu> vlc says cant set locale to ".
[09:08] <iBuntu> huh?
[09:08] <saibear> and i know there therre i instaled them
[09:08] <DentArthurDent> ibuntu: are you playing a dvd?
[09:08] <johan_> shale if you succed tell me
[09:09] <DagaZ> DentArthurDent: there is a world outside US ;-) Sweden here
[09:09] <bob2> saibear: so, you need to install them
[09:09] <iBuntu> i just launched the program
[09:09] <johan_> i got a hard time with the drivers from ati
[09:09] <shale> me too
[09:09] <bob2> saibear: sudo aptitude install build-essential libgtk2.0-dev
[09:09] <bob2> saibear: but what are yo utrying to compile?
[09:09] <shale> i've followed a few different "how tos" but none have worked for me
[09:09] <saibear> limewire
[09:09] <johan_> same here
[09:10] <saibear> and xmms
[09:10] <shale> i've never actually met anyone who is running 3d successfully with ati+hoary64+amd64
[09:10] <bob2> saibear: er, yo udon't compile limewire
[09:10] <bob2> saibear: xmms is in ubuntu rleady, wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto; enable the universe repository
[09:10] <DCG> i'm running 3d in nvidia+hoary64+amd64
[09:10] <saibear> xmms dont work in kubuntu
[09:10] <shale> yes i've read nvidia works
[09:10] <dr_willis> Hmm...
[09:10] <bob2> shale: yes, it does
[09:10] <shale> i have an ati x850xt :)
[09:11] <saibear> or mine i am useing an hp dv1000 laptop
[09:11] <shale> bob: what does?
[09:11] <DCG> saibear: yes xmms does. i've been using it all day
[09:11] <DentArthurDent> acer hasn't really been too hot in the us for a long time, they were better then most similiarly priced systems in the day...i guess windows makes everything seem suckier doesn't it
[09:11] <iBuntu> i also tried to open a movie using vlc and it said it had problems adding the application
[09:11] <bob2> shale: xmms works perfectly on kubuntu
[09:11] <shale> i wasn't talking about xmms or kubuntu :)
[09:12] <DCG> bob2: you wanted saibear
[09:12] <saibear> not on mine hehe that is why i was trying to fix itg
[09:12] <bob2> right
[09:12] <bob2> saibear: then explain to us how it isn't working
[09:12] <DCG> saibear: does the dpkg install ok or does xmms itself crash?
[09:13] <saibear> well when i go to load anything with it any mp3 it tells me it is not there
[09:13] <saibear> well i went and installed it and then i get gcc or gtk is not there
[09:13] <bob2> saibear: that's too vague.  you run xmms, and then add a file to it's playlist and click play.  what happens?
[09:13] <nern> hey
[09:13] <saibear> it will pull up and frezze and then cloes and i have tgo go and do it all over agin
[09:14] <DCG> saibear: run xmms from a terminal and see if it outputs any errors
[09:14] <Amaranth> that's what happens to me when esd is messing up
[09:14] <saibear> not just pull it up but reinstall it
[09:14] <bob2> saibear: so, did you configure it to use arts as the output plugin?
[09:14] <johan_> shale: they have official drivers at ati but i cant get them to work
[09:14] <shale> johan diddo
[09:14] <saibear> refused by server
[09:14] <bob2> saibear: I don't understand what "not just pull it up but reinstall it" means
[09:14] <saibear> xlib
[09:14] <johan_> diddo?
[09:15] <shale> diddo means "same for me"
[09:15] <shale> i tried the ati drivers, as well as the deb package and neither worked
[09:15] <johan_> i see
[09:15] <uggwar> i think it is "ditto" :)
[09:15] <bob2> it's "dirro"
[09:15] <bob2> er, ditto
[09:15] <uggwar> hehe
[09:15] <shale> no its diddo
[09:15] <DentArthurDent> and i thought i was a grammar nazi
[09:15] <johan_> dildo
[09:15] <bob2> I don't think I've ever seen it spelt with d's
[09:15] <uggwar> lol
[09:15] <foxiness> hi , if i use # tar cvpfz backup.tgz /mnt/windows , than that will include /mnt/windows on tar file how-can i exclude it ?
[09:15] <saibear> i have to go to the package managar and start over
[09:16] <shale> yes thats cuz everyone is dumb but it is two d's :)
[09:16] <shale> hahhaha
[09:16] <shale> i'm just freakin sure of it!
[09:16] <kassetra> ehhh... no, it's from the Latin term, "Dictum" ...
[09:16] <kassetra> and italian, "Detto"
[09:16] <johan_> i still dont know if i'll keep this ubuntu 64
[09:16] <bob2> shale: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=ditto&word2=diddo
[09:16] <bob2> ;p
[09:16] <bob2> foxiness: cd to /mnt/windows before running it
[09:17] <johan_> its the only 64 i tried might go for ...
[09:17] <saibear> XLIB: connection to ':0.)' refused by server
[09:17] <shale> winXP64 is smokin on my 3800
[09:17] <saibear> that is what happens
[09:17] <Hackmo> Hey all, how do you turn on surround sound support in Ubuntu?
[09:17] <johan_> where you got that shale
[09:17] <DentArthurDent> johan_: i'd recommend waiting a bit more for 64bit support
[09:18] <shale> bob thanks for the nifty link :)
[09:18] <bob2> saibear: wtf
[09:18] <bob2> saibear: you are not getting that from running xmms
[09:18] <shale> johan_ i bought the corporate edition for the agency i manage
[09:18] <Razor-X> bob2: what would you reccomend for CLI Media playing?
[09:18] <saibear> yeah i am i dont understand why
[09:18] <DCG> Hackmo: in your mixer app goto the last tab and enable "mirror front to surround" or something like that
[09:18] <foxiness> bob2, but if i dont have free space on this partiton and i want create it on /media/backup ?
[09:18] <bob2> Razor-X: I like cplay
[09:18] <Razor-X> mmmkay
[09:18] <Hackmo> DGC: thanks
[09:18] <saibear> i am new to all this but i am not dumb hehe i really dont know why that is comeing up
[09:18] <bob2> foxiness: cd /mnt/windows ; tar -cvf /media/backup/blah.tar
[09:18] <DCG> Hackmo: what card you got?
[09:18] <bob2> saibear: so, open a terminal
[09:18] <shale> DentArthurDent, you know anyone whos gotten the ati64 drivers to work?
[09:19] <shale> most everyone else says just wait for breezy
[09:19] <shale> or is it breazy? ;)
[09:19] <bob2> saibear: actually, don't even do that
[09:19] <saibear> that is what i get in terminal
[09:19] <bob2> saibear: stop running things as root
[09:19] <DentArthurDent> shale: all i hear is ppl having problems
[09:19] <shale> yea
[09:19] <Hackmo> DGC:I don't have a soundcard it's onboard sound
[09:20] <shale> makes me wish i'd spent that $500 on an nvidia card instead of the x850xt but oh well i guess patience is a virtue
[09:20] <DCG> Hackmo: onboard 5.1/7.1 setups dont have the best drivers, the side outputs and center/lfe dont work on my a8n-sli had to attach side speakers to line-in and center/lfe to mic and enable both those options, and my rear speakers still on rear out
[09:20] <FLeiXiuS> shale: ATI's linux support isn't the greatest
[09:21] <Hackmo> DGC: hm that kinda sucks I might invest in a cheap soundcard, thanks for the help
[09:21] <shale> yea i'm learning that nowadays :)
[09:21] <foxiness> bob2, after the tar finish extract the file output this : tar: mnt/windows: implausibly old time stamp 1970-01-01 03:00:00
[09:21] <bob2> foxiness: ok
[09:22] <DCG> Hackmo: yea, or an external 5.1 decoder and use the spdif out of your motherboard.
[09:22] <johan_> you guys know a 'stable' browser for 64
[09:22] <shale> hehe i've been using lynx ;)
[09:22] <DCG> johan_: firefox works, but some binary-only plugins arnt available
[09:22] <DentArthurDent> lynx?
[09:23] <shale> yahp
[09:23] <DCG> johan_ or use links2/hacked-links
[09:23] <shale> cuz i got no gui in 64
[09:23] <DentArthurDent> lol, gotta love good ol linx
[09:23] <DCG> shale: you tried links2?
[09:23] <shale> wtf am i the worst speller in the world or what
[09:23] <shale> DCG, no
[09:23] <shale> is it text?
[09:24] <DCG> yes and no :)
[09:24] <DCG> it supports running in a console
[09:24] <shale> sounds groovy ;)
[09:24] <DCG> but it also is a minimal X browser with gfx support
[09:24] <topyli> ahh. lynx and pine were my first internet suite :)
[09:24] <DentArthurDent> no, i hold that title along with head grammar nazi and CheezWhiz Gourmet
[09:24] <shale> topyli, me too... pine was my first email client
[09:25] <foxiness> bob2, coz i'm create the tar file what is already include /mnt/windows/blahblah , than now what i need is it ; mv /mnt/windows/* /mnt/windows-xp ?
[09:25] <DCG> saibear: there any specific reason you tried to dcc chat me?
[09:26] <shale> hey... links2 is very cool :)
[09:26] <bob2> foxiness: I have no idea what you are trying to do
[09:26] <saibear> no sorry
[09:26] <saibear> wrong person
[09:27] <saibear> dcg wrong person
[09:27] <DCG> its supposed to be very portable, but i've not been able to get it to compile for my os
[09:29] <foxiness> bob2, k on /mnt/windows-xp > windowsxp partiton fat32 and on it mnt what include windows and /mnt/winodws and inside windows all thing like /mnt/windows/Prgram files i want to correct this to restore windowsxp "this is test pc"
[09:29] <DentArthurDent> anyone on x86 had any luck with getting sound to work in firefox?
[09:30] <kassetra> what kind of sound?
[09:30] <DentArthurDent> flash
[09:30] <kassetra> yes, my flash is just fine.
[09:30] <bob2> it's not arch-specific
[09:30] <bob2> it just depends on if you have a sblive or not
[09:30] <bob2> "pkill esd" before starting firefox
[09:31] <stimpie> DentArthurDent, It work almost out of the box
[09:31] <DentArthurDent> hmm, i don't have a sblive
[09:31] <foxiness> bob2, thanks
[09:31] <DentArthurDent> ill try it though
[09:31] <bob2> foxiness: cp -a /mnt/windows-xp/ mnt/blah/
[09:33] <Razor-X> DCG: why links2?
[09:33] <Razor-X> why not use the original, Lynx?
[09:33] <foxiness> bob2, this what i use mv /mnt/windows-xp/mnt/windows/* /mnt/windows-xp/ , i hope is correct
[09:33] <DentArthurDent> fo shizzle, thanks bob2, works now
[09:33] <DentArthurDent> here comes some strongbad
[09:34] <Amaranth> haha
[09:34] <Amaranth> lots of people seem to really like that stuff
[09:34] <shawarma> Razor-X: Links2 handles frames and tables VERY well. Lynx hardly handles them at all.
[09:34] <goldfish> links2 is nice
[09:34] <Razor-X> shawarma: is there any reason I should see frames in my text browser?
[09:35] <shawarma> Razor-X: Have you ever visited a website with frames in lynx?
[09:35] <drfanatic> moinsen!
[09:35] <Razor-X> yes ;)
[09:35] <sproingie> w3m does frames nicely too
[09:35] <shawarma> Razor-X, If so, you know how annoying it is to navigate. Just try it once in Links or Links2, and you'll see what I mean.
[09:35] <Razor-X> ok then, i'll give it a shot
[09:35] <foxiness> after i resotre this ubuntu sys from backup file "all thing work fine" but i see error on boot "warning :.udevdb already exist on the old /dev/!"
[09:35] <drfanatic> ich bekomme beim booten seit neusten immer ein *fail* bei "setting up general console font" kann damit jemand was anfangen?
[09:36] <Razor-X> any major differences between Links and Links2 other than GUI?
[09:36] <beach> hello
[09:37] <beach> It seems I have no idea how to find the name of a package given the name of a program I would like to install.  How does one go about doing that.  For instance, I would like to install fig2dev.  How do I find out what package it is in?
[09:37] <bob2> http:/packages.ubuntu.com
[09:37] <bpuccio> beach: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=fig2dev&searchon=all&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[09:37] <DCG> Razor-X: links2 is newer than links, hacked-links is even more so
[09:37] <Razor-X> beach: either search the Ubuntu packages, or use your graphical package manager
[09:38] <iBuntu> i still cant change my right click mouse button from f12 to something else
[09:38] <Razor-X> DCG: hmmm, lemme jot that down for reference on next Ubuntu boot
[09:38] <bpuccio> beach: alternatively you can use synaptic's search, have it search description and name, not just name
[09:38] <bob2> iBuntu: edit /etc/sysctl.conf
[09:38] <iBuntu> ok
[09:38] <iBuntu> thanks
[09:39] <beach> bpuccio: thanks
[09:39] <beach> Razor-X: what would be an example of a graphical package manager?
[09:40] <Razor-X> beach: Synaptic or Kynaptic, depending on the distro
[09:40] <Razor-X> I myself use apt-get via CLI whenever possible
[09:40] <topyli> Razor-X: isn't it always? ;)
[09:41] <beach> Razor-X: I read the apt-get documentation, and can't figure out how to do package search with it.
[09:41] <topyli> beach: it's a different command. apt-cache
[09:42] <Razor-X> topyli: ;)
[09:42] <iBuntu> mouse button keycode?
[09:42] <Razor-X> whenever convenient, rather
[09:43] <topyli> Razor-X: yeah. sometimes it's nice to just browse with synaptic or aptitude
[09:43] <foxiness> i want to restart my pc to see what will happen thanks again bob2 c y l8r
[09:44] <Razor-X> MPlayer is incredibly loud by default....
[09:44] <Razor-X> damn it, how do I change that
[09:45] <bob2><PHONE_NUMBER>999999
[09:45] <beach> Thanks everyone!  I think I have enough information to digest for a while
[09:45] <bob2> and<PHONE_NUMBER>0000000 to turn it up again
[09:45] <Razor-X> bob2: ;)
[09:45] <Razor-X> I know that
[09:45] <johan_> whats the equivalent of xchat but non-gui
[09:45] <Razor-X> still pretty damn loud though