[12:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74092 in openmsx (universe) "Please sync openmsx (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74092
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74093 in stardict (universe) "Impossible to change fonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74093
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70752 in Ubuntu "unswappable pages are swapped out during hibernation" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70752
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71057 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash when opening a www page" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71057
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71087 in kdebase (main) "critical problem with .xsession-errors in Kubuntu Dapper: /home-partition full" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71087
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74094 in ipw2100 (multiverse) "Intel wifi ipw2100 card not working but recognized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74094
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74096 in njplot (universe) "Please sync njplot (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74096
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74097 in apt-file (universe) "apt-file update needs to be run" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74097
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74098 in Ubuntu "mounting rootfile system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74098
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74099 in update-manager (main) "Strange dependancy error after upgrade from ubuntu 6.06 to 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74099
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74100 in solarwolf (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync solarwolf (1.5-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74100
[01:49] <jrib> bug 2
[01:49] <PriceChild> #2
[01:49] <Burgwork> ubuntu bug #2
[01:49] <Burgwork> hmm, ubugtu is having fun
[01:49] <PriceChild> lol
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73501 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "Gnome has no way to install fonts" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73501
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73486 in samba (main) "Ethernet very slow powerpc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73486
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73495 in bash (main) "Can't run some bourne shell scripts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73495
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74102 in iax (universe) "Crashes on Device open" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74102
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74103 in f-spot (main) "f-spot crashes when attempting to communicate with picasaweb" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74103
[02:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71676 in update-manager (main) "Auto-update asked re-wrote my Grub menu.lst and removed my Windows boot items" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71676
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74104 in hardinfo (universe) "Hardinfo crash when execute Generate Report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74104
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74105 in apcalc (universe) "Please sync apcalc (<IP_ADDRESS>-1) from Debian sid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74105
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74106 in ajaxterm (universe) "Please sync ajaxterm (0.9-2) from Debian sid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74106
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74107 in gato (universe) "do not run (amd64)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74107
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74108 in autopsy (universe) "Please sync autopsy (2.08-1) from Debian sid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74108
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74109 in firefox (main) "?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74109
[03:24] <somerville32> Crimsun: Can I get some advice?
[03:24] <crimsun> on?
[03:24] <somerville32> A bug
[03:25] <somerville32> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mousepad/+bug/56161
[03:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56161 in mousepad "Segfault when saving files on AMD64" [Medium,In progress]
[03:25] <somerville32> I'm going to do an SRU
[03:25] <somerville32> And so I've backported the bug report to dapper
[03:26] <somerville32> This means it'll affect Ubuntu and Ubuntu (Dapper)
[03:26] <somerville32> Should I reject Ubuntu since the bug is fixed in Edgy?
[03:26] <crimsun> yes
[03:26] <crimsun> please also assign yourself to the Ubuntu (Dapper) task
[03:27] <crimsun> either Jani or I will ACK it
[03:27] <crimsun> thanks for doing it!
[03:27] <somerville32> :)
[03:28] <somerville32> Well, thanks to you, I know how! :)
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74110 in Ubuntu "serverX freezed on terminal #0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74110
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74111 in gnunet (universe) "enable ipv6 support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74111
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74112 in cenon.app (universe) "Please sync cenon.app (3.81-2) from Debian sid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74112
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74113 in ubiquity (main) "install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74113
[03:59] <somerville32> Crimsun: I'm having a hard time isolating the code for the fix.
[03:59] <somerville32> Could I just backport the whole package through a SRU?
[04:00] <crimsun> don't file an SRU as a backport request
[04:00] <crimsun> there's an entirely orthogonal procedure for the latter
[04:02] <somerville32> But could I get the SRU team to just "backport" the edgy package instead of trying to isolate a patch?
[04:03] <somerville32> Crimsun: But could I get the SRU team to just "backport" the edgy package instead of trying to isolate a patch?
[04:04] <crimsun> there is no main/restricted SRU team
[04:05] <crimsun> and the universe/multiverse SRU team doesn't "do SRUs"; we simply approve them
[04:05] <crimsun> it's up to another community member to take up the responsibility for the SRU
[04:06] <somerville32> Yes.
[04:06] <crimsun> if you want a backport from feisty, please follow the backport request procedure
[04:06] <somerville32> But I'd like for it to go through the SRU process since it meets that criteria
[04:07] <crimsun> ok, you can have one or the other, because resources are limited.
[04:07] <crimsun> if you want an SRU, follow the SRU procedure, and the source package goes into -proposed then -updates
[04:07] <crimsun> if you want a backport, follow the backport request procedure, and the source package goes into -backports
[04:07] <somerville32> I guess what I'm asking is, can I just take the Edgy package and push it through an SRU?
[04:07] <crimsun> if you want more thorough testing for a backport, then please take on the responsibility
[04:08] <crimsun> you can have one or the other, not both
[04:09] <crimsun> it's a main source package; you'll have to do the testing yourself, because there's no SRU team for main/restricted
[04:09] <somerville32> I don't think you're understanding what I'm asking :)
[04:10] <crimsun> you appear to want to take edgy's source package and push it into dapper-proposed, then dapper-updates
[04:10] <crimsun> that's not viable
[04:10] <crimsun> that's a backport and must follow backport policy
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74114 in rhythmbox (main) "I am listening to music and Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74114
[04:11] <crimsun> if you isolate the changes from edgy's source package and manually backport those changes to dapper's, you can use the SRU procedure
[04:11] <somerville32> So what do I do if I'm having trouble finding the patch?
[04:11] <somerville32> Ah
[04:11] <somerville32> Ok
[04:11] <somerville32> Thats what I meant :)
[04:11] <somerville32> Would they approve that?
[04:12] <crimsun> provided you ... provide (sorry) the requisite information and procedure, it's likely
[04:13] <somerville32> Would it be better if I only applied the diff for the revision that fixs the bug?
[04:14] <crimsun> that's an excellent approach for starters
[04:15] <crimsun> are you following the main/restricted SRU procedure?
[04:16] <somerville32> Well, I figured I might as well do the work for the package to get experience and make it easier for them to approve by actually having it to see
[04:17] <somerville32> Would you rather me get approval before I prepare the package?
[04:20] <crimsun> I normally combine steps 1 & 2 as much as possible to streamline the processing
[04:20] <crimsun> i.e., I file a bug report, compose an e-mail with all relevant info, debdiff, and diffstat attached, and CC: the bug #
[04:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74115 in fam (universe) "Please sync fam (2.7.0-11) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74115
[04:22] <somerville32> I'm suppose to e-mail someone?
[04:26] <crimsun> no, you don't have to
[04:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74116 in firefox (main) "Very slow and jerky scroll renders browser useless" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74116
[04:26] <crimsun> you can simply subscribe ubuntu-sru as noted in the SRU procedure
[04:26] <crimsun> I just do it all at once for streamlining
[04:28] <somerville32> Thats what I was thinking of doing.
[04:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74117 in gambit (universe) "Please sync gambit (0.2006.01.20-2) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74117
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74118 in gst-plugins-base0.10 (main) "[PATCH]  doesn't pass audio data to libvisual 0.4.0 correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74118
[05:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69190 in firefox (main) "crash after dragging hypertext link" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69190
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74119 in metamail (universe) "metamail crashes often at boot (ubuntu edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74119
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74120 in amarok (main) "Orphaned files on iPod Nano" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74120
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74121 in nvu (universe) "Crash when i'm trying to set width of column in WYSIWYG" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74121
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74122 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "oops loading i82365 in installer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74122
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74123 in xchat-gnome (main) "Feisty /list, no scroll, crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74123
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74124 in speedcrunch (main) "crash on iterative multiplications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74124
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74125 in libvisual-plugins (universe) "dfsg removed plugins > libvisual-plugins-multiverse?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74125
[08:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71636 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "madwifi-ng is include but not the wlanconfig utility" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71636
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74126 in gkrellmapcupsd (universe) "gkrellmapcupsd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74126
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74127 in gaim (main) "report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74127
[08:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74128 in Ubuntu "SATA causing issues with installer and kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74128
[08:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74129 in procps (main) "/etc/sysctl.conf should ip_forward=1 for forwarding" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74129
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74131 in coreutils (main) "cp crashes on large file copy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74131
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74133 in gtetrinet (universe) "[SRU]  gtetrinet crashes on first startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74133
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74134 in apt (main) "Apt's unable to acquire lock message isn't user friendly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74134
[10:35] <palski> what shuold be done with a bug which is fixed only by re-building a package?
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74135 in runit (universe) "runsvdir not started at boot-up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74135
[10:35] <somerville32> Ask in #ubuntu-motu :]
[11:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74137 in Ubuntu "There should be an easy way to get a 1000 Hz system timer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74137
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74138 in gksu (main) "String "Starting Administrative application" non translatable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74138
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74139 in upstart (main) "/sbin/shutdown on Ubuntu 6.10: where did -F go ?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74139
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74140 in uim (universe) "uim crashes when entering Russian into terminals" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74140
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74141 in checkgmail (universe) "Error:500 Cant connect to www.google.com: 443 (bad hostname)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74141
[01:09] <H3g3m0n> If I add a comment to a bug that is listed as needs info does it automatically get bumped or something so its likely to get looked at?
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74142 in network-manager (main) "Dial Up Support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74142
[01:17] <Hobbsee> H3g3m0n: possibly.  more likely than if you dont add a useful bug comment.  *bump* is useless
[01:17] <gnomefreak> H3g3m0n: yes we will receive an email
[01:18] <gnomefreak> H3g3m0n: what bug number?
[01:18] <H3g3m0n> Yeh i added info, just its a few months old and the original poster never replied
[01:18] <H3g3m0n> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/40422
[01:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40422 in xorg "Dell 2405FPW and resolution 1920x1200" [Medium,Needs info]
[01:19] <Hobbsee> H3g3m0n: that using the proprietory nvidia driver?
[01:20] <H3g3m0n> Hobbsee: I am now, but it was using the default
[01:20] <Hobbsee> H3g3m0n: does the proprietory driver fix the problem?
[01:20] <H3g3m0n> The logs are from nvidia one though
[01:21] <gnomefreak> i just asked for a couple of files
[01:21] <H3g3m0n> Hobbsee: The resolutions are detected on install afaik, so problaly not by default
[01:21] <gnomefreak> H3g3m0n: more than likely nothing was happening because there wasnt enough info provided
[01:22] <H3g3m0n> gnomefreak: Do you want xorg files from the LiveCD files? My current system works fine because i changed the xorg.conf and installed the drivers
[01:22] <gnomefreak> the reporter didnt state what release/beta he was using
[01:22] <Hobbsee> H3g3m0n: for intel based graphics cards, on some of the dell machines you have to run 915resolution.  as for the nvidia equivalent, i dont know.  i'm not sure if that will do anything on the nvidia system either, come to think of it...
[01:23] <Hobbsee> H3g3m0n: can you run 915resolution on the live cd and see what happens?
[01:23] <H3g3m0n> That on it by default?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> no
[01:24] <Hobbsee> it's in universe
[01:24] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i dont think it does i had to modify my xorg due to the installer not adding the right refresh rates. i tried 915 and it didnt help on nvidia
[01:24] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ahh okay
[01:24] <H3g3m0n> theres a nvidia-xconfig for generating xorg.conf files
[01:25] <gnomefreak> took me about a year to figure out it wasnt setting the right refresh rates (mainly out of laziness, i didnt work on it)
[01:25] <H3g3m0n> nvidia-xconfig seems to have made a file with the correct resolutions
[01:25] <H3g3m0n> actually no it didn
[01:25] <H3g3m0n> i just copied my current one =/
[01:25] <H3g3m0n> it*
[01:27] <gnomefreak> good luck Hobbsee on that one he filied it in april and hasnt commented since ;)
[01:27] <gnomefreak> filed*
[01:28] <H3g3m0n> gnomefreak: So should i reboot and get those files from livecd?
[01:28] <gnomefreak> H3g3m0n: i would like the original files and the modified files (but not real sure if its possible)
[01:29] <gnomefreak> not sure if the livecd uses the same xorg config as the installer does
[01:29] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: looks to be a dupe of https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/43506
[01:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43506 in xorg "Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2045u Stuck at 1024x768 @ 60 Hz" [Medium,Needs info]
[01:30] <H3g3m0n> Hoe does xorg figure out the resolutions? Monitor EDID?
[01:30] <gnomefreak> H3g3m0n: if the livecd has the files that you saw after install same res. and stuff yes add it to the bug
[01:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74143 in totem (main) "totem crash after finished playing video in firefox on edgy amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74143
[01:31] <gnomefreak> H3g3m0n: it uses Xresprobe
[01:31] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it does look like a dup and i am pretty certain Xresprobe isnt setting the right refresh rates for the monitor/card
[01:32] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: and a dupe of https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/48075 too, i'll bet
[01:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48075 in xorg "kubuntu 6.06 final: max resolution is wrong for my lcd" [Medium,Unconfirmed]
[01:32] <gnomefreak> i changed refresh rates after looking them up for my monitor and set xorg.conf to that and added the res. i wanted and poof it works great
[01:32] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: they all seem to use the nv driver
[01:33] <gnomefreak> not sure if they are dups. im not sure if the settings depend oin the monitor being used
[01:33] <Hobbsee> true
[01:33] <gnomefreak> this last one has lcd and that scare me
[01:33] <gnomefreak> scares*
[01:34] <H3g3m0n> Anyone know the command line args for xresprobe, it has no man, ask for a driver when i give it nothing page and is just spitting out blanks when i give it 'nv' 'nvidia' 'vesa'
[01:34] <gnomefreak> H3g3m0n: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  uses it i dont think you can just call it
[01:35] <gnomefreak> brb coffee
[01:37] <H3g3m0n> "dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive xserver-xorg" nuked the file back to incorrect default, ill reboot now and grab the files from the livecd
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74144 in Ubuntu "Screen not filled on my Tecra 8200" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74144
[01:41] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: add your spiel to that one as well please ^
[01:43] <gnomefreak> what one the last one you gave?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Can you please attach og/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf files to this
[01:43] <Hobbsee> bug. Thank you for reporting this bug with us.
[01:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i did it
[01:43] <gnomefreak> HorizSync	28-51 VertRefresh	43-60 that is low for 95% of monitors
[01:44] <gnomefreak> i also dont see the res he has set in the config file :(
[01:49] <gnomefreak> ok be back later i have to put a couple more bolts back in trans and fill it and test it. (decided to rebuild mine rather than wait 3 weeks for one.
[01:54] <H3g3m0n> gnomefreak, Hobbsee: Ok i added the livecd xorg files, looks like there was a reply form the original poster too =)
[01:56] <H3g3m0n> Anything else I should try?
[02:01] <gnomefreak> am i subscribed to that bug by chance?
[02:02] <gnomefreak> i am ok ill look at it when i get done. have a good day ;)
[02:05] <H3g3m0n> ta =)
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74146 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 (restricted) "nvidia 1.0.9629 crashes X" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74146
[02:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74147 in gaim (main) "Gaim crashes unexpected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74147
[02:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74148 in firefox (main) "Opend an other page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74148
[02:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74149 in ubiquity (main) "error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74149
[02:31] <chantra> 'lo
[02:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74150 in gftp (main) "gftp crashed after pressing apply to save new bookmark" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74150
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74151 in gnash (universe) "konqueror-plugin-gnash displays no content" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74151
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73837 in Baltix (main) ""dpkg -S /usr/bin/phpize" fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73837
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74152 in firefox (main) "Crash during change which player should be used" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74152
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74153 in pitivi (universe) "Ubuntu Edgy: Pitivi don't start at all" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74153
[03:38] <Adri2000> typecast: I was marking #74153 as duplicate ;)
[03:38] <typecast> :-)
[03:38] <typecast> i thought i was :D
[03:39] <Adri2000> yeah, you did a few seconds before me :p
[03:39] <Adri2000> s/did/were/
[03:40] <typecast> :)
[03:40] <typecast> you can get the next one :D
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74154 in orsa (universe) "3D Rendering drove orsa crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74154
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74157 in xorg (main) "safe mode ?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74157
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74158 in texlive-base (universe) "texlive cound not been configured at installation from edgy source" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74158
[04:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74159 in netkit-base (main) "Should Recommends update-inetd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74159
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74160 in blobwars (universe) "[Merge]  blobwars 1.05-3ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74160
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74161 in metacity (main) "Metacity crashed when starting compiz" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74161
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74162 in wine (universe) "Wine: err:keyboard:X11DRV_ToUnicodeEx" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74162
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74164 in dhcp3 (main) "Request ntp-servers by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74164
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74165 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74165
[05:20] <dthacker> Hello,  I'm looking at bug 74164 as a first time Bug Triager.  The bug appears to be a wishlist, but I've no access to change importance (nor should I have).  Is there anything productive I can do with this bug?
[05:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74164 in dhcp3 "Request ntp-servers by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74164
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74166 in control-center (main) "Problems with changing default sound card in Sound caplet " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74166
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74167 in thoggen (universe) "Thoggen grinds entire desktop to a near-halt" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74167
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74168 in blender (universe) "Blender crashes when changing to a scene with lots of data" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74168
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74169 in ghextris (universe) "Please sync ghextris (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74169
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74170 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (universe) "Change MAC address locks up Ubuntu after hibernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74170
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71487 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "bcm43xx crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71487
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74171 in unison (universe) "Infinite directory recursion possible when syncing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74171
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74172 in rhythmbox (main) "Bad French translation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74172
[07:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74173 in vsftpd (main) ""anon_umask"  option doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74173
[07:21] <salty-horse> hi. i noticed that less does not work as documented. the 'v' key should open the text in an editor specified by $VISUAL or $EDITOR, and if none of those found, it starts 'vi'. apparently it always starts nano, even after i set $VISUAL (and even $EDITOR) to vim
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74174 in firefox (main) "accessing preferences brings the fox down" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74174
[07:38] <fdoving> salty-horse: what is your 'sudo update-alternatives --config editor' set to?
[07:39] <salty-horse> nano... how does it override less?
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74175 in gksu (main) "SEGV on first character of password " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74175
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74176 in python-defaults (main) "Python crashed when I start Ubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74176
[07:40] <fdoving> salty-horse: it doesn't. my less uses the editor set in $EDITOR
[07:41] <fdoving> 'export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim less testfile.txt' opens with vim.
[07:41] <fdoving> eh.. drop the export.
[07:42] <fdoving> EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim less testfile.txt
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74177 in sympa (universe) "New versions available (5.2.3 instead of 4.1.5)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74177
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74179 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu reports incorrect memory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74179
[07:51] <salty-horse> hmm.. your last command works. when i echo $VISUAL i get "vim" but when i run less its environment doesn't have VISUAL at all (checked in /proc). any idea why?
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74178 in ubiquity (main) "[FEISTY]  Ubiquity Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74178
[07:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74180 in gnome-btdownload (main) "gnome-btdownload not working due to missing Bittorrent module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74180
[07:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74181 in tomboy (main) "NoteOfTheDay plugin creates new note every minute!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74181
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74182 in firefox (main) "Crash during refresh the web page." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74182
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74183 in totem (main) "totem plugin crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74183
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74184 in ubiquity (main) "feisty amd64 - crash after finished installer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74184
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74185 in Ubuntu "wrong permissions on /dev/fuse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74185
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74186 in boost (main) "Cannot build simple test app using boost serialization" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74186
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74187 in synaptic (main) "Child progress window doesn't work with old window style" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74187
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74188 in openal (universe) "Please sync openal (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74188
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74189 in xmms (main) "xmms won't launch in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74189
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74190 in apt (main) "[feisty]  [apt]  command line apt-get/aptitude breaks update-manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74190
[09:55] <Adri2000> palski: ping
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74191 in Ubuntu "Lenovo T60 Keyboard buttons for suspend/battery/lock do not function in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74191
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74192 in firestarter (universe) "firestarter install error during Edgy upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74192
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74193 in Ubuntu "usb keyboard msi p965" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74193
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74194 in nvu (universe) "nvu is no longer listed for install on feisty 64bit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74194
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74195 in mono (main) "mono crash after login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74195
[10:21] <Adri2000> palski: not here? :/
[10:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74196 in mozilla (universe) "crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74196
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74197 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash while doing nothing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74197
[10:52] <dthacker> Hello,  I'm looking at bug 74164 as a first time Bug Triager.  The bug appears to be a wishlist, but I've no access to change importance (nor should I have).  Is there anything productive I can do with this bug?
[10:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74164 in dhcp3 "Request ntp-servers by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74164
[11:18] <dthacker> join #ubuntu-midwest
[11:18] <dthacker> sorry mischan
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74198 in poedit (universe) "Please sync poedit (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74198
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74199 in Ubuntu "fonts packages broken on a vanilla ubuntu install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74199


[22:06] <bcurtiswx_> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntu.com/549372/ any idea why bzr bd doesn't see the version on my computer ?


[08:07] <christiank> Hi! I have forgotten my login password for the Launchpad login and can't get a password reset email because my email address has changed slightly since I registered my Launchpad account, and I can't receive email anymore on the original e-mail account that I provided when registering that Launchpad account.
[08:07] <christiank> Help in getting into my Lauchpad account again would be greatly appreciated!!!
[09:30] <wgrant> christiank: You'll need to use the support link at the bottom of the login form.
[09:44] <christiank> wgrant: On followng the instructions there I got an email from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>that told me 'check below link & pick a preferred way to contact members of the Launchpad team.
[09:44] <christiank> https://help.launchpad.net/Feedback (our Launchpad team colleagues could be busy with their projects & the response may not be that prompt) (more Launchpad Info here: https://help.launchpad.net/)'
[09:44] <christiank> That's how I found out about this Freenode channel
[09:44] <christiank> So it seems that I get send round in circles?
[09:47] <wgrant> Hrm.
[09:47] <christiank> wgrant: Following the 'Contact Support' link at the login.launchpad.net page directs me to https://forms.canonical.com/sso-support/, where it says that I need to go to https://forms.canonical.com/lp-login-support/ for Launchpad Login issues.
[09:47] <wgrant> This is clearly a login issue, so it's not in the Launchpad team's domain... try https://forms.canonical.com/sso-support/
[09:47] <wgrant> christiank: Which option did you select on that last URL?
[09:48] <christiank> 'Other', as the other advice given on that page didn't help me
[09:49] <christiank> https://forms.canonical.com/sso-support/ is the page that tells me to use page https://forms.canonical.com/lp-login-support/ ...
[09:49] <wgrant> christiank: Yes, ignore it telling you that.
[09:49] <wgrant> Since lp-login-support is apparently insane :/
[09:50] <wgrant> (login.launchpad.net is just login.ubuntu.com with a different theme)
[09:50] <wgrant> It's not actually part of Launchpad nowadays, and is managed by a totally different team.
[09:50] <christiank> OK, if I choose 'Resetting my password' on the sso-support form it directs me to https://login.ubuntu.com/+forgot_password
[09:51] <wgrant> Perhaps try "Other". That'll let you describe your problem.
[09:52] <christiank> OK, I will try that.
[09:54] <wgrant> christiank: Let me know if that doesn't get things sorted out for you, and I'll try to get it looked at internally.
[09:55] <christiank> wgrant: will try your advice. Many thanks!
[10:00] <wgrant> :q
[11:35] <bookwar> hi, all, i have a new issue :)
[11:35] <bookwar>  i've set group to private at first, and made it a member of another group, and now i can't switch it to public because of team membership (~mos-keystone group) Can I ask LP admins to change it?
[11:37] <bookwar> which way is better for such tasks: to file a bug or  via answers ?
[11:40] <wgrant> bookwar: Bugs is for issues in the code, which this isn't. So Answers would be more appropriate.
[11:40] <wgrant> But what exactly are you trying to do, and what message is displayed when it fails?
[11:41] <bookwar> at https://launchpad.net/~mos-keystone/+edit I am changing visibility to Public and it says "This team cannot be converted to Public since it is referenced by a teammembership."
[11:42] <bookwar> it is indeed the subteam of https://launchpad.net/~mos-all, but mos-all is public
[11:43] <wgrant> bookwar: The easiest way to avoid that check is to just temporarily remove the team from ~mos-all, make it public, and then add it to the team again.
[11:44] <wgrant> There are complex rules around the interactions that private teams are allowed to have, and attempting to make something public errs on the side of excessive safety.
[11:46] <bookwar> i tried it, but it wasn't removed just deactivated. And when I tried to change visibility again it showed me the same error. Maybe I needed to wait more till changes are applied..   Let me try one more time then
[11:47] <wgrant> Oh, true, forgot that detail.
[11:47] <wgrant> Let me see.
[11:50] <bookwar> i've deactivated the membership, but still doesn't work, with the same 'This team cannot be converted to Public since it is referenced by a teammembership.' message
[11:54] <wgrant> bookwar: OK, it's a bit more complex than I'd thought. You probably want to do delete and recreate the team, unless that's awkward.
[11:57] <bookwar> On delete it shows the red box with 'There is 1 error.' message
[12:00] <wgrant> bookwar: Huh, no errors on the page? The delete request went through, and it's being deleted now.
[12:00] <wgrant> It can take a few minutes, but then you can recreate the team as a public one.
[12:01] <bookwar> ah, cached page in a browser, now i see "MOS Keystone is queued to be merged or deleted in a few minutes."
[12:01] <bookwar> thanks :)
[15:33] <madno> Hello, i know that in order to upload packages to launchpad ppa, i have to upload the source.changes file using dput, can't i upload an already packaged .deb package?


[09:43] <markos_> hi, anyone knows of an asm instruction (or instructions) to find out the L1/L2 (well no ARM with L3 cache yet) cache sizes on ARM? Or some way to read it from the kernel?
[09:45] <markos_> similar to cpuid on recent x86 cpus
[16:16] <markos_> lool: I'm about to give up, no matter what I do, wanna-build just fails to even produce the database, you did mention an alternative a while ago, a gsoc project, got any more info on that?
[16:23] <ssvb> markos_: the registers which can be used to get this information are described in ARM ARM, but they are not accessible from userspace
[16:24] <ssvb> markos_: kernel provides some of the cpu specific information via /proc/cpuinfo and /proc/self/auxv
[16:26] <markos_> ssvb: cpuinfo doesn't carry this info though, actually I thought of auxv, but it's not straightforward and I thought I'd ask first
[16:28] <ssvb> markos_: yes, this information may be incomplete, for example auxv did not even report NEON availability before linux kernel 2.6.29
[16:29] <ssvb> markos_: if you are really interested in having this information, pushing some patches to the kernel to get it may be useful
[16:30] <ssvb> markos_: btw, http://pastebin.com/3rvXx68s
[16:30] <markos_> hm, I guess it depends on the platform
[16:30] <markos_> what kernel version?
[16:31] <ssvb> 2.6.21-omap1
[16:31] <markos_> strange, I get none of the cache info here (<IP_ADDRESS>.3-ER1-efikamx) on the imx515
[16:31] <ssvb> looks like somebody is being lazy and is not keeping this code up to date :)
[16:32] <lool> markos_: pkern was working on a python-based wanna-build replacement
[16:32] <markos_> ssvb: still on x86 and ppc, L1/L2 cache info can be found on /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cache/index# etc
[16:33] <markos_> ssvb: would be nice to have it work the same on arm also
[16:33] <markos_> lool: anything published?
[16:34] <lool> markos_: google "Debian Autobuilding Infrastructure Rewrite"; I don't know how complete the rewrite ended up being
[16:34] <lool> markos_: Ping pkern or HE on #debian-devel@oftc?
[16:35] <ssvb> markos_: I have only 'cpufreq' there, but not 'cache', anyway it is clearly a problem on the kernel side, preferably it should provide this information in a consistent way
[16:36] <ssvb> markos_: alternatively it would be interesting if the kernel could just provide access to cpuid related registers (or emulate their behavior)
[16:37] <ssvb> why do you need to know cache size?
[16:38] <markos_> eigen library does block size configuration -or is able to do so- by matching matrix blocks according to the L1/L2/L3 cache sizes, it gets some extra % speed that way -at least on x86
[16:39] <markos_> there's cpuid on x86 which gives that info -amongst others
[16:41] <ssvb> a somewhat ugly solution would be to run a small benchmark to get this information in an experimental way
[16:41] <markos_> that's too error prone
[16:41] <ssvb> iirc, fftw does something like this
[16:42] <ssvb> right, but in the worst case it will just impact performance, nothing else
[16:42] <markos_> which is the point behind all this :)
[16:44] <ssvb> are you going to bug kernel developers about providing this information?
[16:44] <markos_> if it's possible, I can use it, if not, well, eigen is only a linear algebra library, running mini benchmarks at startup isn't going to be accepted by the authors anyway
[16:45] <markos_> ssvb: I might, time permitting
[16:45] <markos_> tbh, I've never filed a bug report on the kernel before, but there's always a first time :)
[16:46] <markos_> the info is already available anyway
[16:46] <markos_> first I have to setup this this autobuilder setup
[16:46] <markos_> s/setup$/
[16:50] <markos_> lool: I guess soyuz cannot be installed standalone...
[16:50] <markos_> ?
[19:25] <lool> markos_: No, but we're working exactly on that
[19:25] <lool> markos_: Actually, according to the soyuz devs it's not that hard to run it standalone
[19:26] <lool> markos_: What you will miss is the Launchpad API
[19:26] <lool> and obviously the web UI
[19:26] <lool> markos_: I'm not sure where the work related to splitting soyuz out is tracked; it should be in a blueprint but I'm not sure where
[19:28] <lool> markos_: Ideally, ping james_w if you want to follow these discussions


[01:47] <Bilge> Even though I use hardy, can I still install a deb built for intrepid?
[01:48] <giovani|defcon> Bilge: can you technically? yes -- it's very possible it won't work properly
[01:50] <Bilge> I wouldn't know why
[01:50] <Bilge> I can just built it myself though so whatever
[01:52] <giovani|defcon> Bilge: well why (or if) depends on the exact application -- could depend on library versions that you don't have, for example
[01:52] <giovani|defcon> it could also place things in directories not used in your version
[01:53] <giovani|defcon> lots of things change -- many things don't -- which is why there's no generic answer
[01:59] <tsrk_> anyone have any idea why rsync'ing large amounts of data is causing a kernel panic on the receiving server?
[02:00] <giovani|defcon> tsrk_: could be lots of things -- bad ram -- bug in kernel, rsync -- etc
[02:01] <giovani|defcon> I presume you've googled?
[02:01] <tsrk_> giovani|defcon, yeah, also I should mention it doesn't happen when it goes the other way
[02:01] <tsrk_> there's some networking related things in the stacktrace though so i'm wondering if it's something with ssh
[02:38] <nick125> Good evening. I have a quick question: Is it possible to install Ubuntu Server over SSH (once I get the CD in and potentially set a password and start sshd)?
[03:07] <giovani|defcon> nick125: by "over ssh" you mean what?
[03:07] <giovani|defcon> doing an interactive install via a pts?
[03:07] <nick125> giovani|defcon: Going through the interactive prompts over SSH
[03:07] <nick125> yep
[03:08] <giovani|defcon> nick125: not that I know of -- not sure why you'd want to
[03:08] <nick125> Apparently, this piece of documentation says there is a way in the installer menu to do it
[03:08] <giovani|defcon> serial console, kvmoip, or automated install
[03:08] <nick125> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole
[03:08] <giovani|defcon> nick125: if it's in the "menu" it sounds like it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole
[03:08] <giovani|defcon> whoops, sorry -- bad paste
[03:09] <giovani|defcon>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole
[03:09] <giovani|defcon> hah -- my tablet is failing
[03:09] <nick125> giovani|defcon: Don't worry, this ducttape will fix it!
[03:10] <giovani|defcon> ok
[03:10] <giovani|defcon> it looks messy
[03:10] <giovani|defcon> I see no reason to do it
[03:10]  * nick125 backs the data up from his server
[03:10] <giovani|defcon> but if you'd like to have your remote hands set that up for you -- go ahead
[03:11] <nick125> Well, my server isn't remote, it's just that it's too uncomfortable to sit there and work on it for any period of time
[03:11] <giovani|defcon> then use serial console
[03:11] <giovani|defcon> that's the proper approach
[03:12] <giovani|defcon> the install should take minutes
[03:12] <giovani|defcon> you can also automate it
[03:12] <nick125> Knowing my luck, it'll take a few hours :p
[03:12] <giovani|defcon> why?
[03:13] <nick125> It would find a way to take hours.
[03:13] <giovani|defcon> if you want to convince yourself of that ... ok
[03:13] <nick125> Hmm....I wonder if I could setup a serial console to the desktop sitting next to my server, then SSH into that box..hmm
[03:14] <giovani|defcon> why would you need to do that (I mean, you can ... but)
[03:15] <nick125> It's going to take a bit of time to initialize the 3x160GB RAID-5 (320GB total volume size), then the LVM PV/VG.....
[03:15] <nick125> I guess I could just leave it and let it do its thing
[03:16] <nick125> Should I make a separate partition for /boot that isn't on the RAID?
[03:16] <giovani|defcon> doesn't sound like a big deal
[03:16] <giovani|defcon> nick125: is this hardware raid?
[03:16] <nick125> giovani|defcon: software
[03:17] <nick125> The motherboard in my server supports fakeraid, but I think I would rather avoid it (especially with the mix of different SATA controllers)
[03:21] <giovani|defcon> in general, I stay away from software raid
[03:22] <giovani|defcon> but yeah, I'd keep /boot off of it -- just in case the array is broken
[03:24] <nick125> And the initrd included with Ubuntu Server works just fine for RAID/LVM?
[03:27] <ball> I sort of wish I'd gone for software RAID on the last server I put in.
[03:27] <giovani|defcon> the issue is grub -- grub supports lvm
[03:27] <giovani|defcon> it seems to support some raid levels (1, notably)
[03:28] <nick125> The last Linux install I did, I put /boot on RAID 1
[03:28] <giovani|defcon> ok, well from what I raid, grub will support it
[03:28] <giovani|defcon> but I see no reason to use it for /boot
[03:33] <nick125> So if one drive fails, there's another drive to boot from
[03:33] <giovani|defcon> not if the MBR isn't there ...
[03:34] <giovani|defcon> which it won't be
[03:35] <nick125> You can install the MBR to the other drives too
[03:36] <giovani|defcon> yes, but it wouldn't be there normally
[03:36] <giovani|defcon> just use real raid
[03:37] <nick125> I don't have money for a $400-500 RAID controller
[03:38] <ball> I'm sure ours didn't cost that much.
[03:39] <giovani|defcon> nick125: try 1/10-1/5th of that
[03:39] <nick125> A real RAID controller for $50?
[03:39] <nick125> (or so)
[03:39] <giovani|defcon> $500 will buy you a high-end 8 port PCI-X controller
[03:39] <giovani|defcon> nick125: on the low end, yes
[03:40] <giovani|defcon> somewhere between $50-100
[03:40] <ball> Ours has batteries on it for some reason.
[03:40] <giovani|defcon> ball: yeah ... that's normal
[03:41] <ball> ...to back up the cache RAM I suppose
[03:41] <giovani|defcon> to make sure the drives don't get corrupted mid power cut
[03:47] <ball> I need to go and lay down now
[04:22] <qman__> yeah, I wouldn't bother with anything that wasn't at least $60, and even then, that's usually just a high performance disk controller, no RAID functions
[04:23] <qman__> you don
[04:23] <qman__> you don't have to spend a fortune on something really fancy, but at least get something like a highpoint rocketraid
[04:24] <qman__> if you don't, you're better off just using mdraid than whatever fakeraid controllers you can get
[04:51] <ball> I like RAID, me.
[05:23] <gherring> greets - I'm fairly new to ubuntu server, but very familliar with kubuntu and ubuntu...how do I enable remote login to an ubuntu server?
[05:25] <giovani|defcon> gherring: you install openssh-server
[05:26] <gherring> ok....thanks for that.
[05:26] <gherring> I can look up the rest  - thank you
[05:26] <giovani|defcon> you could've looked that up as well :)
[05:28] <gherring> well, your correct - but i wanted a somewhat expert opinion and the closest I figured i could get was coming in here and asking  :)
[05:28] <giovani|defcon> an expert opinion on the ssh server package name?
[05:30] <gherring> no...i'm no stranger to command line and i can follow a walkthrough
[05:30] <gherring> i'm not good with servers...yet
[05:30] <giovani|defcon> uh, ok
[05:30] <giovani|defcon> so you're not familiar with ssh?
[05:30] <gherring> or how to log into them remotely
[05:30] <gherring> no, i've never used it but heard of it
[05:30] <giovani|defcon> then you probably should be using your desktop more
[05:31] <giovani|defcon> ssh is hardly limited to "servers"
[05:31] <gherring> scenario: i can (and do) vpn to a microsoft network every weekend - they want to install an ubuntu server
[05:32] <gherring> i need to be able to log into it after they install it
[05:32] <giovani|defcon> you shouldn't be administering a server for a company/organization if you've never done it before ...
[05:33] <gherring> it's ok...seriously.  the admin is my brother
[05:33] <giovani|defcon> if you've never used SSH before ... I would advise you to take a huge step backwards
[05:33] <giovani|defcon> and learn the basics
[05:33] <gherring> i'm practicing
[05:33] <gherring> ok, where should i start then?
[05:33] <giovani|defcon> you should start by learning linux basics
[05:33] <giovani|defcon> and your desktop is a perfectly fine place to start
[05:34] <gherring> I know alot of the basics
[05:34] <gherring> ok
[05:34] <giovani|defcon> honestly, I beg to differ
[05:34] <gherring> i'm going to take your word on this
[05:34] <giovani|defcon> SSH is an extremely basic utility -- if you haven't used it yet -- you probably haven't spent much time with Linux
[05:34] <gherring> i'm not as 'swift' as i think i am
[05:35] <gherring> ok...is there a way I can practice using ssh?
[05:35] <giovani|defcon> sure ... the point wasn't really about SSH, just that it was evidence of your experience level
[05:35] <gherring> I have an ubuntu server in virtualbox installed and ready
[05:35] <giovani|defcon> get two linux boxes
[05:36] <giovani|defcon> use ssh to remotely connect to the other
[05:36] <giovani|defcon> I'd probably get a book on linux if I were you
[05:36] <gherring> I have to boxes next to each other right now...and a spare hp hub
[05:36] <twb`> You could still do that with virtualbox
[05:36] <giovani|defcon> learning piece-meal is likely to leave a lot of gaps in your knowledge
[05:37] <gherring> i do have huge gaps in my knowledge...but i can learn
[05:37] <gherring> what book on linux would you recommend?
[05:37] <giovani|defcon> I don't have one off-hand
[05:38] <giovani|defcon> surf amazon for one with a lot of good reviews
[05:38] <giovani|defcon> ask around
[05:38] <gherring> something like 'ubuntu server handbook'?
[05:38] <giovani|defcon> ?
[05:38] <gherring> i have an amazon account - i can do that tonight
[05:38] <giovani|defcon> account? browsing books doesn't require one
[05:39] <gherring> but is there a way I can practice ssh skills using virtualbox ose?
[05:39] <giovani|defcon> sigh
[05:39] <gherring> ok - sorry
[05:39] <giovani|defcon> unfortunately, you seem to be focusing on SSH
[05:39] <gherring> you brought it up...i'm hooked
[05:39] <giovani|defcon> which is exactly what I'm trying to tell you not to do -- it was just an -example-
[05:39] <gherring> ok..letting go of it
[05:40] <giovani|defcon> start with a basic book ... read the book
[05:40] <gherring> basic book on server or ubuntu in general?
[05:41] <gherring> btw, i appreciate your patience
[05:41] <giovani|defcon> you want something server-oriented -- the first thing you have to understand is that there's nothing that solidly differentiates a "server" from a "desktop"
[05:41] <giovani|defcon> those distinctions are largely made up -- and have more to do with function than the OS itself
[05:42] <gherring> ok...
[05:42] <gherring> ahhhh i see
[05:42] <giovani|defcon> ubuntu server and ubuntu desktop are the same OS
[05:42] <gherring> right
[05:42] <gherring> i've done minimal install before and totally agree with that
[05:42] <giovani|defcon> they use a different kernel -- that's it -- and that has to do with hardware support, and special features only people running servers typiclaly care about
[05:43] <giovani|defcon> other than that -- they offer the exact same software
[05:43] <gherring> right right....
[05:43] <giovani|defcon> ok, so the knowledge won't differ
[05:43] <giovani|defcon> between a "desktop" and a "server"
[05:43] <gherring> i've installed a server kernel before on an xubuntu desktop system
[05:43] <giovani|defcon> other than application-specific stuff
[05:44] <gherring> right...i understand
[05:45] <gherring> so on a minimal install when i choose server it automatically selects a server kernel
[05:46] <gherring> or i could have chosen ubuntu desktop, but whatever - same frame work
[05:46] <twb`> Note that support for server software is significantly longer, though
[05:46] <twb`> Regarding security updates and such
[05:47] <gherring> twb - ok, understood
[05:47] <lukehasnoname> <3 Ubuntu server, mostly
[05:47] <twb`> I imagine the at the desktop kernel also has some basic "tuning" for a desktop role (e.g. more RTOS stuff)
[05:48] <giovani|defcon> twb`: sure, I don't think that's relevant to a basic understanding of them being the same OS
[05:48] <twb`> giovani|defcon: granted.
[05:49] <giovani|defcon> unfortunately, ubuntu has focused on differentiating the products in a marketing sense
[05:49] <giovani|defcon> which only serves to misinform, imo
[05:49] <gherring> glovan - oh, i see...causing some confusion
[05:50] <giovani|defcon> it's a windows thing
[05:50] <twb`> giovani|defcon: it's a necessary evil when dealing with the corporate space
[05:50] <giovani|defcon> commercial-focused (read: microsoft market-focused) distros began the whole "desktop" v "server" distinction
[05:50] <giovani|defcon> twb`: ubuntu isn't accepted in any significant way in the commercial space
[05:51] <twb`> It is where I hang out
[05:51] <giovani|defcon> clearly you're not looking at the big picture
[05:51] <lukehasnoname> Eh, Ubuntu Server is a slightly different product. Different kernel settings and different default packages are a pretty big deal. It's like lamenting over the disinction between Ubuntu and Kubuntu.
[05:51] <giovani|defcon> how many fortune 1000 run ubuntu as a major part of their infrastrcuture?
[05:51] <giovani|defcon> lukehasnoname: I've already covered that
[05:51] <lukehasnoname> I just hopped in
[05:51] <twb> giovani|defcon: there is a huge difference between multinationals and corporations in general
[05:52] <giovani|defcon> twb: pick any metric you like
[05:52] <giovani|defcon> ubuntu is a nonexistant player in the corporate space
[05:52] <twb> In the SMEs I deal with, CentOS has lost a lot of ground to Ubuntu Server.
[05:52] <giovani|defcon> show me any evidence to the contrary
[05:52] <giovani|defcon> SMEs? -- name a few
[05:52] <twb> Well actually the deployments I'm most familiar with are prisons
[05:53] <giovani|defcon> prisons are enterprises?
[05:53] <lukehasnoname> giovani|defcon:
[05:53] <lukehasnoname> yes
[05:53] <twb> Here, they're government.
[05:53] <giovani|defcon> I suppose if they're commercially-owned and leased to the government
[05:53] <giovani|defcon> how big is the computing infrastrcuture at a prison you're talking about?
[05:54] <twb> around 300 desktops each
[05:54] <gherring> wow
[05:54] <giovani|defcon> that's ...
[05:54] <giovani|defcon> not an enterprise
[05:54] <giovani|defcon> that's a small-medium business
[05:54] <twb> I've lost interest in this discussion.
[05:54] <giovani|defcon> my company has almost 2000 servers, and we're considered a small business by most standards
[05:54] <lukehasnoname> giovani|defcon: Most standards is wrong, then
[05:55] <lukehasnoname> I work at a bank with 4,000 servers running several OSes, a multitude of apps, with a customer base of 6m
[05:55] <giovani|defcon> lukehasnoname: how any of the 4,000 are ubuntu?
[05:55] <lukehasnoname> divide that by two and you're still big or medium big
[05:55] <giovani|defcon> s/any/many/
[05:56] <lukehasnoname> None. I wasn't making that point, if you're trying to gun after me. I'm arguing that 2k servers is not 'small'
[05:56] <giovani|defcon> no, I'm not gunning -- I'm using you as a random sample
[05:56] <lukehasnoname> We run Solaris 9, RHEL 4, AIX, and Windows 2003/2008
[05:56] <lukehasnoname> mostly
[05:56] <lukehasnoname> I don't know what else
[05:56] <giovani|defcon> worse than random, really -- since you're in #ubuntu-server -- and clearly a user
[05:57] <giovani|defcon> I'm also clearly a user -- I think it's a great distro
[05:57] <twb> I think it's a horrible distro, but the alternatives are a lot worse.
[05:57] <giovani|defcon> but I acknowledge its lack of presence in the medium-large commercial space -- which is the market that defines the success of Linux distros, overall
[05:57] <gherring> i've tried several linux distros - ubuntu has been the most stable for me
[05:57] <twb> I sure a shit wouldn't want to babysit a bunch of AIX boxes
[05:57] <lukehasnoname> twb, you don't like Ubuntu?
[05:58] <gherring> lol @ twb
[05:58] <twb> I think Ubuntu has a great job of taking Debian and running it into the ground.
[05:58] <giovani|defcon> heh
[05:58] <giovani|defcon> then clearly you belong in #debian
[05:58] <gherring> wow - again
[05:58] <lukehasnoname> Elaborate. I'm seriously interested in hearing the other side of the fence.
[05:58] <lukehasnoname> Also, Are you talking about desktop or server space?
[05:58] <lukehasnoname> I assume server.
[05:59] <twb> lukehasnoname: it's more from a package maintainer's perspective.
[05:59] <twb> For example, reportbug(1) on Ubuntu for a long time silently sent email to a subscriber-only mailing list
[05:59] <twb> launchpad requires you to create an account to report bugs, and isn't AGPLd
[06:00] <lukehasnoname> Launchpad is AGPLed, isn't it?
[06:00] <lukehasnoname> recent development.
[06:00] <andol> twb: I think you inteded to saw wasn't? :)
[06:00] <andol> s/saw/say/
[06:00] <twb> lukehasnoname: OK, I must be out of date on that.
[06:01] <twb> NetworkManager has fucked me repeatedly, and there was a change in d-i in hardy that meant that it tried to talk to archive.ubuntu.com before it asked you about proxies, which meant on a broken network I maintained, that you basically HAD to preseed or d-i would take like eight hours to install
[06:02] <lukehasnoname> admittedly, I haven't run Ubuntu Server on advanced or troubled configurations
[06:02] <twb> I don't think I can point to any one huge aggravation
[06:02] <twb> And Ubuntu have definitely improved some things
[06:03] <twb> And I prefer Ubuntu in pretty much every way to RHEL or Solaris :-)
[06:03] <lukehasnoname> I wanted to like Opensolaris, but I just didn't get into it
[06:03] <lukehasnoname> I think the packaging is a total mess
[06:03] <lukehasnoname> I even got a book on Osol, I was so interested
[06:04] <twb> You think that's bad, you should see OS X.
[06:04] <giovani|defcon> Solaris? -- let's stick to distro comparisons here
[06:13] <lukehasnoname> Back
[06:13] <lukehasnoname> Had to get a real IRC client
[06:14] <lukehasnoname> irc://irc.debian.org
[06:14] <lukehasnoname> damnit
[06:14] <giovani|defcon> lukehasnoname: now we know where your loyalties lie :)
[06:14] <lukehasnoname> I want to ask about some recent Debian news I heard
[06:14] <lukehasnoname> - kFreeBSD support, introducing the first non-linux architecture into Debian
[06:15] <lukehasnoname> Does this mean the FreeBSD kernel will be an official branch in the Debian project?
[06:16] <giovani|defcon> lukehasnoname: as far as I know, yes
[06:17] <giovani|defcon> not a "branch" but a port, yes
[06:17] <twb> Debian GNU/kFreeBSD has been around for ages
[06:17] <lukehasnoname> Ya, I know
[06:17] <twb> But I think like Debian GNU (as in GNU/Hurd), it has like five people who use it at all
[06:18] <lukehasnoname> well, since FreeBSD is a technically superior platform...
[06:18] <lukehasnoname> >_>
[06:18] <lukehasnoname> <_<
[06:18] <twb> I just wish the Solaris kernel didn't have the CDDL of death
[06:18] <twb> By all accounts it's a rockin' kernel
[06:19] <twb> But Nexenta is too hairy for me, due to CDDL/GPL fights in dpkg and such.
[06:19] <giovani|defcon> heh -- let's talk about how ssl died circa defcon 2009
[06:19] <twb> giovani|defcon: openssl?
[06:19] <giovani|defcon> all major ssl implementations
[06:20] <giovani|defcon> in one form or another
[06:20] <giovani|defcon> tons of attacks released
[06:21] <lukehasnoname> protip: Don't wipe your database until you're sure you don't have any apps using it
[06:21] <lukehasnoname> ffffffuuuuuuuuuu
[06:21] <jmarsden> lukehasnoname: And even then, back it up first
[06:23] <nick125_lappy> lukehasnoname: Ouch. Well, if you didn't have backups before, now you do.
[06:23] <lukehasnoname> ya, this is kinda lame.
[06:24] <twb> Taking adequate backups is a lesson EVERYONE learns the hard way
[06:24] <nick125_lappy> Hm. In /etc/network/interfaces lingo, what is the equivalent to ip addr add <blah> <dev>?
[06:26] <twb> post-up ip addr add <blah> ?
[06:26] <twb> You want the interface to have two IPs?
[06:26] <nick125_lappy> twb: yes
[06:27] <twb> You could also try just listing two "address" lines
[06:27] <nick125_lappy> However, for some reason, dhcpd doesn't like serving addresses on the same subnet as a ethN:X alias.
[06:27] <nick125_lappy> Good idea.
[06:28] <nick125_lappy> Wait. What if the two addresses have a different netmask?
[06:28] <twb> Dunno.
[06:28] <twb> I do not normally do what you're talking about
[06:28] <nick125_lappy> Nobody seems to. :)
[06:29] <nick125_lappy> Can I have multiple post-up lines (if needed)?
[06:29] <twb> Why do you want to?
[06:29] <twb> Yes, post-up lines are run serially IIUC
[06:29] <twb> Or you can put stuff in /etc/network/if-up.d/
[06:30] <nick125_lappy> Great. Thank you.
[06:30] <lukehasnoname> Good news: I was able to get torrentflux back up and running with minimal pain
[06:33] <twb> Be nice when apt-torrent gets off the ground
[06:34] <lukehasnoname> o_O?
[06:50] <gherring>
[06:54] <quizme> http://pastie.org/568384  <---- the permissions are 777 and I'm in the dev group, but I still change chmod g+w that file.... anybody know why not?
[07:05] <LiraNuna> how do you make rdiff-backup perform full mirror even though there's a previous backup present?
[07:06] <LiraNuna> the more diffs there are, the slower it is to restore
[07:07] <lukehasnoname> Wow, so annoying.
[07:07] <lukehasnoname> I was hoping phpMyBitTorrent would be an all in one solution
[07:08] <lukehasnoname> I want to choose a file, have a .torrent made, and load it to a tracker and seed, all in one step.
[07:08] <lukehasnoname> *a private tracker on my server
[07:09] <twb> Doesn't rdiff-backup just do a cp -al then an rsync, like rsnapshot?
[07:09] <LiraNuna> twb, no, it saves diffs
[07:10] <twb> Ew.
[07:10] <LiraNuna> not really
[07:10] <LiraNuna> it's pwerful
[07:10] <twb> Does it use --only-batch?
[07:10] <LiraNuna> eh?
[07:11] <twb> rsync --only-write-batch, I mean
[07:11] <LiraNuna> it uses librsync
[07:11] <twb> Ah, I didn't know that.
[07:11] <twb> rsnapshot is just perl or something
[07:11] <LiraNuna> rdiff-backup is a delicious combination of mirror backup and incremental backup
[07:12] <twb> So is rsnapshot
[07:12] <LiraNuna> problem is the more time passes by, there are more diffs to patch against, so restore gets slower
[07:12] <LiraNuna> I want to put some cron job every month to put a full mirror so it won't be as slow
[07:13] <twb> rsnapshot assumes you're backing up to a (possibly remote) hard disk, so you can just use hard links to get incrementality at zero cost.
[07:13] <twb> A restore is as fast as a single backup
[07:13] <LiraNuna> what about size?
[07:13] <twb> It wouldn't work with tapes or DVDs, though
[07:14] <twb> LiraNuna: you mean size of the thing being backed up?  Arbitrary.
[07:14] <LiraNuna> anyway, I'm just seeking advice of how to overcome this problem
[07:14] <twb> Sorry, I went off on a tangent
[07:15] <LiraNuna> no problem, I didn't want to start 'backup warz' here :)
[07:15] <twb> Mea culpa.
[07:18] <LiraNuna>        -b, --backup-mode
[07:18] <LiraNuna>               Force backup mode even if first argument appears to be an incre‐
[07:18] <LiraNuna>               ment or mirror file.
[07:18] <LiraNuna> whoops
[07:18] <LiraNuna> will that destroy past diffs?
[07:21] <twb> At this point I would see if rdiff-backup has a dedicated channel.
[08:19] <andol> Well, at least there is no official or well known rdiff-backup channel.
[08:19] <andol> LiraNuna: At current stage, rdiff-backup can only have one full mirror, the rest is reverse diff.
[08:22] <nick125_lappy> Good evening (or morning) :)
[08:42] <lukehasnoname> Is there a trick to deploying a war to Tomcat?
[08:42] <lukehasnoname> I dropped a war in /usr/share/tomcat6/webapps/ like I was told
[10:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #407923 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.3.2-1ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zur?ck" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407923
[11:08] <quizme> what does "sudo mount /etc/mysql" do ?
[11:09] <quizme> in fstab it says "/vol/etc/mysql /etc/mysql none bind"
[11:19] <andol> quizme: Unless /vol/etc/mysql is mounted at /etc/mysql, that is what will be attempted.
[11:24] <rosa_> hello...i am having problems with my cups system...i just install that in a new server, when i try to print to one of the printer that I install, doesn't print and shows a message in "processing since" and don't do nothing else...somebody can helo me please
[11:44] <quizme> andol: i'm totally confused.  i don't know how my mysql database got onto /vol/var/lib/mysql, because my fstab doesn't have such an entry.
[11:44] <quizme> yet it works
[11:44] <quizme> and it's there
[11:47] <andol> quizme: Talk to the person who installed the server?
[12:05] <nick125_lappy> Hm. Apparently, I broke my networking.
[12:18] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #397721 in php5 "[needs-packaging] php-fpm" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397721
[15:15] <andol> cjwatson: Wondering if you, being Mr. OpenSSH, have any opion on whatever bug #362511 being important enough to backport the upstream patch? Goten the impression what we now don't watch to be to creative with our OpenSSH packages :)
[15:15] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 362511 in openssh "force-command unable to pass arguments along to internal-sftp" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362511
[17:07] <Acs> hey guys
[17:08] <Acs> I am trying to run this php script and I am getting this Extension './dirtotal.php' not present.
[17:08] <Acs> I have #!/usr/bin/php -q at the top
[17:08] <Acs> and change the permissions to +x
[17:08] <Acs> and I am calling it like ./dirtotal.php
[17:08] <Acs> am I doing something wrong?
[17:09] <Acs> I have a php script that is being called in a cronjob and that works fine
[17:10] <Acs> anyone
[17:10] <Acs> ?
[17:12] <andol> Acs: Is "./dirtotal.php" what you have in cron? Is current working directory specified in any way?
[17:12] <Acs> no no the dirtotal.php is the script I am trying to run in the cli
[17:13] <Acs> in the cron it's another script
[17:15] <andol> Acs: Try specifying the full path to dirtotal.php instead
[17:16] <DiViN3> anyone can help me plz
[17:16] <Acs> andol I have fixed by calling it with php
[17:16] <Acs> so php dirtotal.php works
[17:16] <Acs> thanks for the help
[17:17] <DiViN3> how to add ips in ubuntu server
[17:17] <DiViN3> wats the command or where must i add the ips
[17:20] <DiViN3> anyone can help me plz - how do u add ips in ubuntu server
[17:20] <giovani|defcon> DiViN3: man interfaces
[17:23] <DiViN3> giovani|defcon : sorry to say but m not that good with all that stated in there as i cant seem to understand
[17:23] <DiViN3> giovani|defcon : all i did was read up from internet n setup my server
[17:24] <DiViN3> giovani|defcon : i found out that  by doing  : ifconfig eth0 add <IP_ADDRESS>     <--- the ip is added
[17:24] <DiViN3> but some web say that i need to add the additional ips as virtual ips
[17:24] <DiViN3> so that they can be binded for vhost
[18:04] <DiViN3> anyone can help me with how to bind vhost for irc
[18:04] <DiViN3> my revesre is not functioning
[18:29] <PerryArmstrong> can anyone help me ace this discussion at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1228878   its related to servers
[18:53] <eVo_Divini> My whole file system is mounted read only. Will rebooting fix this?
[18:56] <giovani|defcon> eVo_Divini: depends on the cause
[19:15] <andol> eVo_Divini: If the system mount your (root) file system read only it might very well be because it detected some problems at mount time.
[19:15] <andol> eVo_Divini: If you look in /etc/fstab you might find the mount option "errors=remount-ro".
[19:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #405325 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/405325
[19:37] <storrgie> I just swapped the processor out on my rig, should I run anything when I boot up to make sure the kernel detects everything properly?
[19:50] <eVo_Divini> I found it andol
[19:51] <eVo_Divini> upon rebooting, the server hung
[19:51] <eVo_Divini> not sure why
[19:51] <eVo_Divini> the provider is working on it
[20:43] <nick125> Good afternoon. On a server without VT/SVM, what virtualization method would you guys recommend, other than VMware Server? If I could run full-virtualization guests (i.e., Windows if the need comes up), that's a plus.
[22:09] <Nafallo> KVM
[22:16] <incorrect_> i can't get a channel list, but what is the name of the ubuntu kvm channel
[22:16] <Nafallo> #ubuntu-virt
[23:03] <incorrect_> is there a way to boot up rescue mode with no networking? or more to the point, how can i stop a module from loading at boot?
[23:06] <jpds> incorrect_: Add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf .
[23:17] <incorrect_> jpds, init=/bin/bash and i hacked it out, bonded bridged interfaces = weird kernel panic
[23:41] <DormantOden> hey, can someone tell me the 32 bit library name? =)


[08:33] <okrjd> hi 2 all
[08:33] <okrjd> is it possible ?
[08:33] <MeniShevitz> what?
[08:34] <okrjd> is it possible to install ubuntu§mobile on windows mobile phone ?
[08:35] <okrjd> to amke a dual boot ?
[08:35] <MeniShevitz> not quite yet.
[08:35] <MeniShevitz> no,
[08:35] <MeniShevitz> o_O
[08:35] <MeniShevitz> completely different architecture then where this's headed i fear
[08:35] <okrjd> ubuntu mobile is  it free ?
[08:35] <MeniShevitz> but i heard gentoo might do the trick
[08:36] <MeniShevitz> yes it is
[08:36] <okrjd> tell me who know android ?
[08:36] <BenLauDC> so?
[08:36] <okrjd> is there anyone herer who try to install android on his windows mobile phone ?
[08:41] <okrjd> yes i know it is out of topic
[08:41] <okrjd> u can answer
[14:34] <okrjd> say
[14:34] <okrjd> ich bien otu ufoz chizrerzdz
[14:35] <okrjd> ubuntu mobile ouedo oi eozuz ?
[14:39] <okrjd> ubuntu mobile diigo otfi cuzeoz error kkud ??
[19:07] <sergevn> hi
[19:07] <sergevn> can i install MID on an eee pc ( i386)?
[19:08] <MeniShevitz> dudessssss
[19:08] <MeniShevitz> am i the first person in the world to have os x running on a ViA c7m?! :D
[19:09] <MeniShevitz> i need a stage to vent and the osx86 doesn't seem enthused :)
[19:09] <MeniShevitz> (i can relate, fat chance of a cx700 display driver for os x ;) )
[22:27] <matiass_> hello
[22:27] <matiass_> there is someone here?
[22:35] <matiass_> wanted to know when is going to be released a laptop or pda with ubuntu mobile ?
[22:49] <Olipro> hi