[10:42] <deaNspare> u click close it minimizes then it just minimizes to the tray and doest go away
[10:42] <benplaut> goodnight, all!
[10:42] <danko_slp> yay
[10:43] <hondje> The_Universe has quit ("Leaving") ....man, IRC sure can get cynical
[10:43] <bigfoot> does any body have bookmark duplicates, (and have a hard time deleting them)?
[10:45] <Glitch407x> No luck, think I should just use the onboard and reconfigure x?
[10:46] <hondje> That's what I would do
[10:46] <deaNspare> anyone help me? i cant close limewire lol
[10:47] <martii> so anyone solved /dev/md0 problem with ubuntu ?
[10:47] <martii> and udev ?
[10:47] <martii> array is just not assembled at boot time
[10:47] <fabbione> martii: on breezy?
[10:47] <martii> fabbione: 5.04
[10:48] <fabbione> martii: works fine here
[10:48] <martii> fabbione: not for me
[10:48] <martii> fabbione: 5.04 at start says
[10:48] <martii> /dev/md0 (mdadm-raid) no such file or direcotyr
[10:48] <fabbione> i recall fixing that specifically
[10:48] <fabbione> it's not udev btw
[10:49] <martii> fabbione: so whats the probmel
[10:49] <fabbione> to create /dev/md0 manually
[10:49] <fabbione> martii: no idea.. let me check
[10:49] <martii> fabbione: when I can assemble array manualy later
[10:49] <martii> fabbione: I read on forums that udev is not delivering /dev/md0 on time
[10:50] <martii> fabbione: or maybe md0 is somewhere else than /dev/md0
[10:50] <fabbione> martii: no the problem is way different :)
[10:50] <individ> hi all
[10:50] <fabbione> just gimme a few minutes please
[10:50] <martii> fabbione: so where is the problem
[10:50] <fabbione> i need to check the package again
[10:50] <kev0r> good morning
[10:50] <kev0r> can't seem to play OGM files
[10:50] <martii> fabbione: I even added M md0   b 9 0
[10:50] <martii> to the /etc/udev/links.conf
[10:50] <kev0r> is there anything i need to apt-get to make the OGM's work?
[10:51] <fabbione> martii: can you please give me 2 minutes to check the package?
[10:51] <martii> fabbione: didn't help
[10:51] <martii> fabbione: sure
[10:51] <fabbione> martii: as i asked 2 seconds ago...
[10:51] <hondje> I have DigitalVibrance set to 35 in the device section of xorg.conf, but I have to start nvidia-settings in gnome before it kicks in...anyone else have that problem?
[10:53] <Seveas> goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodmorning #ubuntu
[10:53] <danko_slp> yup
[10:54] <MistaED> still no ubuntu :(
[10:54] <fabbione> martii: can you please do the following: boot in single user mode and execute mdrun
[10:54] <danko_slp> Seveas: good night:)
[10:54] <fabbione> martii: that should create the devices properly...
[10:54] <martii> fabbione: ok wait a sec
[10:54] <MistaED> i got the exact error though, /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6 cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:54] <martii> fabbione: I have this machine in other room
[10:55] <Madpilot> g'night, all...
[10:55] <Madpilot> quit
[10:55] <ice_1963> g/n
[10:55] <fabbione> martii: sure
[10:55] <fabbione> martii: take your time..
[10:58] <geargolem> how do you uncomment a line?
[10:58] <hondje> do a lot of lines start with #, geargolem ?
[10:59] <geargolem> yes
[10:59] <hondje> then removing the # at the beginning of a line will probably uncomment it
[10:59] <geargolem> thanks
[10:59] <hondje> 'probably' :)
[11:02] <cafuego> There we go.
[11:03] <bigfoot> in synaptic, if a file's version info has the name "ubuntu" in it, what significance does it have? does it mean that the package was designed for ubuntu users? I'm looking at "gmailfs" by the way. this package is in the universe, though. why? Thank you.
[11:03] <martii> fabbione: mdrun detects raid5 and assembles
[11:04] <Seveas> if the package has ubuntu in the version part of the name, it means that there are differences between the debian version and the ubuntu version
[11:04] <martii> fabbione: but after reboot /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid
[11:04] <martii> fabbione: is unable to assemble it again
[11:04] <martii> fabbione: says no /dev/md0
[11:05] <bigfoot> i see, Seveas. thank you.
[11:05] <martii> fabbione: seems that I will have to write additional startup script that will run mdrun instead of mdadm-raid
[11:05] <bigfoot> and if a package doesn't have "ubuntu" in the version part of the name, what does that mean?
[11:06] <devin> K, back.
[11:06] <MistaED> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=186041#post186041
[11:06] <bigfoot> Why would someone make a debian version and a seperate ubuntu version?
[11:06] <fabbione> martii: that's the funny part... mdrun should be executed automatically but it's not
[11:06] <hondje> if the debian one works in ubuntu, why not?
[11:06] <Glitch407> K, back.
[11:06] <fabbione> martii: just add mdrun to /etc/init.d/mdadm
[11:06] <cafuego> bigfoot: Different requirements, different distros.
[11:06] <fabbione> martii: that should be enough
[11:06] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: different libraries etc
[11:07] <Seveas> bigfoot, it means that there are no differences between the ubuntu version and the debian version (other than being rebuilt on ubuntu systems, which can make a difference)
[11:07] <martii> fabbione: but after upgrade it will be replaced
[11:07] <fabbione> martii: no. files in /etc are configuration files
[11:07] <cafuego> Speaking of, I just put a blootbot on the channel, which does ubuntu package contents/info searches like dpkg on #debian.
[11:08] <fabbione> but hopefully the next upgrade will have a fix :)
[11:08] <martii> fabbione: ok
[11:08] <fabbione> so don't be too worried about it
[11:08] <martii> fabbione: should i report a bug ?
[11:08] <martii> fabbione: btw it amd64
[11:08] <martii> fabbione: it's
[11:08] <fabbione> martii: yes please. bugzilla.ubuntu.com package mdadm
[11:08] <Seveas> cafuego, bots have been `banned' from this channel before, be careful
[11:09] <fabbione> martii: even if the problems is way behond that
[11:09] <Shufla> hello :D
[11:09] <transgress> anyone got some tips on getting my laptop to hibernate?
[11:09] <martii> fabbione: thanks for hints
[11:09] <cafuego> Seveas: I msg'd an op... we'll see what he says when he becomes un-idle.
[11:10] <Seveas> cafuego, which op?
[11:10] <fabbione> martii: you are welcome
[11:10] <cafuego> Seveas: bob2
[11:10] <drgnlegnd> so i've heard alot about this distro, what's all the hype about?
[11:10] <Seveas> good luck then, he is quite anti-bots :)
[11:10] <mpq> something's screwed up
[11:10] <cafuego> Seveas: I know him though ;-)
[11:10] <mpq> it won't let me lock the screen
[11:10] <Seveas> from #debian i suppose ;)
[11:11] <mpq> when I try to lock the screen nothing happens
[11:11] <Seveas> mpq, is xscreensaver running?
[11:11] <mpq> I don't know
[11:11] <mpq> how do I check?
[11:11] <Seveas> mpq: ps aux | grep xscreensaver | grep -v grep
[11:12] <cafuego> Seveas: Yeah, and from thinking up excuses to not go and see him at linux.conf.au <heh>
[11:12] <Seveas> :))
[11:12] <mpq> now what?
[11:13] <Seveas> did it give output?
[11:13] <hondje> pgrep screensaver ;0
[11:13] <mpq> was I supposed to type it all in at once?
[11:13] <Seveas> yes
[11:13] <mpq> no output
[11:13] <Seveas> ok, so xscreensaver isn't running
[11:13] <drgnlegnd> so can anyone tell me a bit about the distro?
[11:13] <mpq> is that the problem?
[11:13] <topyli> drgnlegnd: it rocks :)
[11:14] <Seveas> yes, that one needs to be running if you want to lock rhe screen
[11:14] <mpq> ok
[11:14] <hondje> drgnlegnd: It's basically debian underneath, with xorg and gnome 2.10
[11:14] <drgnlegnd> lol topyli, what's so different?
[11:14] <hondje> so stable, features, etc...it's pretty well made though
[11:14] <drgnlegnd> it's like it came out of nowhere overnight lol
[11:14] <Seveas> mpq, try this from a terminal: xscreensaver-command -lock
[11:14] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is terrific
[11:14] <hondje> yeah, lots of hype
[11:14] <drgnlegnd> guess i'll order some cds after all
[11:14] <Shufla> re
[11:14] <drgnlegnd> does it have kde?
[11:14] <hondje> for a desktop, it's the shit
[11:14] <hondje> kubuntu does
[11:15] <drgnlegnd> ohhhhh
[11:15] <topyli> drgnlegnd: i used to run debian unstable. now i have it but it's stable. and some stuff is newer than on unstable
[11:15] <Seveas> drgnlegnd, yes, but only on the downloadable cd's and in the repositories
[11:15] <martii> fabbione: I see that such problem was already reported
[11:15] <martii> fabbione: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4944
[11:15] <xxenon> what's the best hardware to build a very simple and SILENT linux server/firewall ? an old laptop ? a shuttle-like small PC ?
[11:15] <drgnlegnd> so the cds they send out now only use gnome?
[11:15] <mpq> seveas: no screensaver is running on display :0.0
[11:15] <Seveas> drgnlegnd, yes
[11:15] <Shufla> xxenon: pIII old one w/o cooler.
[11:15] <martii> fabbione: so I think I have to wait for merge of debian patches
[11:15] <hondje> drgnlegnd: yeah, but you can install kde or xfce with just one command
[11:15] <fabbione> martii: checking...
[11:15] <Seveas> mpq, in a terminal type: xscreensaver
[11:16] <xxenon> Shufla - PIII can run without cooler ?
[11:16] <Seveas> and after that you should be able to lock again
[11:16] <fabbione> martii: hmm ok...
[11:16] <Shufla> xxenon: afair. or celerons. we have piii cels as ultraquiet x-terminals
[11:16] <fabbione> martii: thanks for the heads up
[11:16] <mpq> can I close the terminal window now?
[11:16] <Seveas> xxenon, if you want it to be silent: go for those mini-pc's
[11:16] <Shufla> xxenon: network card was the most loud component
[11:16] <Seveas> mpq, if you get back to your prompt: yes
[11:16] <IIIEars> or an old laptop?
[11:16] <xxenon> Shufla - interesting ...
[11:16] <hondje> buy a mini mac
[11:17] <xxenon> yeah also.
[11:17] <Seveas> otherwise: interrupt xscreensaver and restart it with xscreensaver &
[11:17] <xxenon> Ill see what second hand hardware I can find here.
[11:17] <Shufla> afair minipc do have fans, and little fans are very very loud
[11:17] <hondje> ironically ours is in the shop because the fan went wwild and got LOUD
[11:17] <Seveas> and THEN you can close the terminal
[11:17] <hondje> Shufla: they have them, but it's not very loud
[11:17] <hondje> oh, you said minipcs
[11:17] <hondje> nm
[11:17] <mpq> I don't get what you said
[11:17] <martii> fabbione: I'll check out what debian patch did
[11:17] <mpq> so I just moved the terminal window to another workspace
[11:17] <IIIEars> A loud fan is anything manufactured by Gateway. - lol
[11:18] <Seveas> mpq, safest option :)
[11:18] <mpq> :)
[11:18] <Shufla> imho the best choice for u-quiet pc is smthing old without any fans and with quiet, no so fast modern disk.
[11:18] <fabbione> martii: that would be great
[11:18] <fabbione> martii: and just add the info to the bug report
[11:18] <xxenon> Shufla - I think I have a celeron 350 at home, but the fan was very loud...Ill see if I can removeit.
[11:18] <Seveas> my laptop is also extremely quiet
[11:18] <Seveas> but a bit too expensive for a simple firewall :)
[11:18] <groll> question : after upgrading some packages , is restart necessary?
[11:19] <topyli> no
[11:19] <Shufla> xxenon: try to remove the fan, lower it's power in bios. for router you do not need so much power.
[11:19] <Seveas> groll, only if you upgraded your kernel a restart is needed to use that kernel
[11:19] <xxenon> Shufla - yeah. And I will use a smartmedia card as HD.
[11:19] <groll> Seveas, k got it
[11:19] <hondje> soekris things, aren't those quiet?
[11:20] <IIIEars> buy an inexpensive router and hack an xbox to web serve?
[11:21] <Shufla> xxenon: good choice. once i had pc166 mmx w/o fans (even AC was w/o, some old IBM). but hdd was to loud, and i used new one. system was running quiet and nice. compilation was slow, but do not overburn the proc.
[11:21] <Shufla> s/do not/did not/
[11:21] <xxenon> nice.
[11:21] <xxenon> I will cross compile kernel and stuff on another machine aynway.
[11:22] <xxenon> and also I want to plug a wlan card in it..so Im not sure about CPU power...but I guess it's ok.
[11:23] <Shufla> xxenon: enough. that system do not have to be responsive. you can nice some processes to negative, so it'll run great.
[11:23] <Glitch407x> Anybody know how to setup screen resoultions in ubuntu?
[11:23] <k31th> Guys can you think of any software thats a good front end for storing company records such as repairs etc on pcs, just need a nice front end really
[11:23] <MistaED> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135 <
[11:23] <Shufla> Glitch407x: warty or hoary?
[11:23] <MistaED> i've fallen into this bug, :(
[11:23] <IIIEars> Glitch - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   - gnome
[11:24] <Glitch407x> I can run that from within the system?
[11:24] <Shufla> Glitch407x: do not msg.
[11:24] <Glitch407x> ok
[11:25] <Shufla> Glitch407x: ctl+alt+f1, login, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, sudo dpkg-reconfigure..., sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[11:25] <k31th> anyone ?
[11:25] <Glitch407x> K ill give that a try shufla
[11:26] <Shufla> k31th: you need only frontend? so do you have db already?
[11:26] <k31th> i can use mysql for the db
[11:26] <k31th> the db currently does not exsist its my project
[11:27] <k31th> one iv been putting off and id like to crack on with tbh
[11:27] <transgress> anyone know what perms a folder should be so apache will let people look in it... i have a folder of pics and i don't feel like making a page of links for each of them...
[11:27] <Shufla> k31th: (my opinion - use pg) - maybe use python with wx-widgets?
[11:27] <k31th> Shufla: wats pg ?
[11:28] <Shufla> transgress: r-x for others, but .htaccess with Options +Indexes might be needed too
[11:28] <Shufla> k31th: postgresql.
[11:28] <k31th> i dont want to have to make it if possible ? id like to use a OS prject if there is one
[11:28] <k31th> i found this CitrusDB thing
[11:28] <k31th> but.. i dunno
[11:28] <k31th> all i need to do is keep a record of calls and call outs
[11:29] <k31th> atm im just dumping them in a spreadsheet
[11:29] <devin> I cntrl-alt-f1 and couldnt get back into ubuntu to copy what you typed, can you send it again?
[11:30] <Tallia1> hi guys.
[11:30] <sandoak> hello everyone....
[11:30] <sandoak> is cups bugged??
[11:30] <Tallia1> i was asking me if exists a traslator like babylon over linux
[11:31] <Tallia1> do you know someone!?
[11:31] <k31th> Shufla: no ideals then lol
[11:32] <transgress> hmm now i get an internal server error when i add +Indexes
[11:32] <MistaED> does anyone know what the security update package for the kernel package is called?
[11:32] <Shufla> transgress: httpd.apache.org , read logs /var/log/apache2/error.log
[11:34] <Seveas> MistaED, linux-image-2.6.10-5.2-$arch
[11:35] <fabbione> 5.2 ?????
[11:35] <sandoak> anyone know if cups is bugged and if there is a way to fix it??
[11:35] <opi> morning guys
[11:35] <MistaED> ok, thanks
[11:35] <fabbione> where that kernel is coming from???
[11:35] <fabbione> Seveas: ^^
[11:36] <MistaED> 5.2? or is it 5-2?
[11:36] <MistaED> nope, both don't work
[11:36] <fabbione> there is no 5.2 or 5-2
[11:36] <Seveas> that was off the top of my head, but i guess i'm wrong if fabbione is complaining :)
[11:36] <fabbione> linux-image-2.6.10-5-$arch
[11:36] <MistaED> well the latest security package broke my ubuntu
[11:37] <k31th> I really dont want to have to use access as the fornt end
[11:37] <MistaED> but that's what i've been using
[11:37] <fabbione> MistaED: how?
[11:37] <transgress> woot!  got it
[11:37] <MistaED> well i updated with the latest security kernel and now i have a boot problem
[11:37] <fabbione> why nobody can report a bug and tell me what is "broken"?
[11:37] <MistaED> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=186041
[11:37] <MistaED> and there's a report on bugzilla
[11:38] <Seveas> fabbione, more amd64 users have this problen, i've told a few to file the bug.
[11:39] <geev> i need the help
[11:39] <Seveas> fabbione, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135
[11:39] <MistaED> i guess i'll reply to the bugzilla post
[11:39] <MistaED> yeah that one
[11:39] <fabbione>  /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6 cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:39] <fabbione> this looks an error in the initrd
[11:39] <geev> any body
[11:39] <MistaED> exactly my problem :(
[11:39] <fabbione> not a kernel one
[11:39] <fabbione> MistaED: i am reading your post
[11:40] <Seveas> fabbione, i've heard someone say that there was no (updated?) initrd in the kernel package
[11:40] <MistaED> what would cause the initrd to be modified then? all i can remember is i reinstalled the k8 package, and then ran apt-get upgrade
[11:40] <fabbione> Seveas: the initrd image is generated at install time.
[11:40] <fabbione> Seveas: there is no pre-shipped initrd
[11:41] <fabbione> MistaED: can we try something?
[11:41] <Seveas> fabbione, ok, so the mkinitrd line seems to be missing from postinst
[11:41] <fabbione> MistaED: boot with the live cd and chroot into the broken system
[11:41] <martii> fabbione: it seem that the problem is with udev
[11:41] <fabbione> Seveas: no, the initrd is there but it seems broken
[11:41] <MistaED> yep already got a terminal up with the chroot
[11:41] <martii> fabbione: it is to slow to create all /dev links
[11:41] <fabbione> martii: the real problem is in the kernel, but upstream.. meh.. doesn't care
[11:41] <Seveas> ok /me shuts up again and lets the real experts handle it
[11:41] <martii> fabbione: and mdadm tries to use them
[11:42] <Glitch407x> eh I could puke Im so frustrated lol
[11:42] <martii> fabbione: so there is dirty work arround I think
[11:42] <fabbione> MistaED: can you show me the output from ls -las /boot/init* please? (in private)
[11:42] <fabbione> martii: yes
[11:43] <Tiboz> hey
[11:44] <MistaED> yep, in the query i pasted the output
[11:45] <Glitch407x> How do I change my monitor refresh rate in ubuntu? im stuck with 640x480 in the system prefs.
[11:45] <Shufla> eh. i'm going to smoke :d
[11:45] <fabbione> MistaED: ok... let's try this: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-amd64-k8 2.6.10-5-amd64-k8
[11:45] <fabbione> MistaED: btw.. given that you have 2 kernel installed you can boot with the previous one
[11:46] <MistaED> the previous one is buggered aswell
[11:46] <fabbione> WEIRD
[11:46] <MistaED> indeed
[11:47] <fabbione> specially because none of this did appear on any of the tests we did
[11:49] <martii> fabbione: I did what debian dirty workaround and it works for me
[11:49] <MistaED> ok, well that command finished
[11:49] <MistaED> restart & try? or do something else?
[11:49] <fabbione> MistaED: you will need to try to boot with that kernel
[11:49] <martii> fabbione: I had to add my /etc/modules sata_sil as that's where my array is
[11:49] <dooglus> how do I list the files in a package?
[11:49] <martii> fabbione: hotplug is called to late I think
[11:50] <IIIEars> Glitch - I would like to help. - just too new.
[11:50] <IIIEars> << 4 weeks
[11:50] <thoreauputic> dooglus: try dpkg -L <packagename>
[11:51] <martii> fabbione: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4944#c5 it mentions debian howto
[11:51] <MistaED> ok, i'll go try the k8 one then
[11:51] <thoreauputic> dooglus: assuming it's installed
[11:51] <fabbione> martii: that could be, but initrd should have it
[11:51] <dooglus> it's installed, yes.  what if it wasn't?
[11:51] <martii> fabbione: so I think there is no reason to repeat it
[11:51] <martii> fabbione: I do further research
[11:51] <thoreauputic> dooglus: then I think you would need apt-file
[11:51] <fabbione> martii: thanks
[11:51] <martii> fabbione: reboot my server with just sata_sil added
[11:52] <martii> fabbione: and no changes to mdadm-raid init
[11:52] <martii> fabbione: or links.conf of udev
[11:52] <martii> fabbione: the problem is that I might have no sata_sil in initrd (don't knwo why
[11:53] <martii> fabbione: anyway addig just module to /etc/modules didn't work
[11:53] <fabbione> martii: sata is a bit of a "delicate" piece of code
[11:53] <dooglus> thanks, whoever you are.  dpkg -L was what I was looking for.  I can't see your name 'cos it's in bright yellow on white.
[11:53] <fabbione> martii: you will have to add it to the initrd
[11:53] <martii> fabbione: do it later
[11:54] <martii> fabbione: rebooting now with module and modified /etc/udev/links.conf
[11:54] <thoreauputic> dooglus: heh - thoreauputic
[11:55] <thoreauputic> is that also in bright yellow
[11:55] <thoreauputic> ?
[11:55] <hondje> anyone else find that selecting the antar skin in xine's skin selector kills xine-ui?
[11:55] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I guess your client is highlighting the line
[11:55] <martii> fabbione: didn't work, I'll try to use module + sleep 5 in mdadm-raid
[11:56] <hondje> when I pick it, I get xiTK received SIGSEGV signal, RIP.  Aborted.
[11:56] <martii> fabbione: no udev changes
[11:56] <fabbione> martii: sorry but you lost me
[11:56] <fabbione> martii: ETOOMANYINFO
[11:56] <fabbione> martii: can you please just add all the above in the bug report?
[11:56] <martii> fabbione: debian dirty workaround is
[11:57] <UnreA|L> How remove files from recycle bin with console ?
 it's highlighting because you're saying my name.  I'm using irrsi
[11:57] <thoreauputic> OK I'm thoreauputic
[11:57] <martii> fabbione: load module, create /dev/md? by links.conf and wait for few seconds before mdadm init of array
[11:57] <thoreauputic> dooglus: change your irssi theme so you can read things ;)
[11:58] <dooglus> haha.  hi thoreauputic.  I saw you right "heh - thoreauputic" earlier and though you had mis-spelt "therapeutic" - talking about how the yellow-on-white was good for me or something...
[11:58] <thoreauputic> NO, it's just a lame nick ;)
[11:58] <fabbione> martii: ok.. well it's probably already merged in breezy. you could just try to upgrade that single package
[11:58] <dooglus> can I get ubuntu to stop asking me for my password whenever I run synaptic?
[11:58] <fabbione> martii: it's probably the easiest
[11:58] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I'm stuck with it now since that is how I'm known
[12:01] <Seveas> dooglus, yes, by using NOPASSWD in your sudoers file. Read man sudoers for details
[12:01] <dooglus> thanks, shorter yellow-dude
[12:01] <egg|nosense> hi
[12:01] <Seveas> thoreauputic, you can always change nick, i've changed mine 3 time over the last years :)
[12:01] <egg|nosense> hi
[12:01] <Seveas> ih
[12:01] <MistaED> bugger, k8 still isn't working :(
[12:02] <Seveas> yw not-so-much-longer yellow dude ;)
[12:02] <fabbione> MistaED: same error?
[12:02] <thoreauputic> Seveas: yeah, I know - but people know this nick so I'll stay with it for now
[12:02] <MistaED> yeah, fabbione
[12:02] <thoreauputic> dooglus: seriously, change your irssi theme ;)
[12:03] <egg|nosense> how to do?
[12:03] <dooglus> I can change it?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> dooglus: you might need to read someone's long or short <yellow-dude>
[12:03] <egg|nosense> yes?
[12:03] <fabbione> MistaED: can you kindly put that initrd somewhere i can grab it?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hrm - lots of docs on irssi.org
[12:04] <MistaED> uhh, how exactly would you like me to do that?
[12:04] <hhurtta> no need to change irssi theme but to change background colour of your terminal
[12:04] <fabbione> MistaED: dunno.. do you have a web server or something?
[12:05] <MistaED> i mean which file do you want me to upload?
[12:05] <Seveas> dooglus, try this in irssi: /set theme colorless
[12:05] <MistaED> /etc/initrd or something?
[12:06] <mpq> what are other freenode channels?
[12:06] <fabbione> MistaED: /boot/initrd
[12:06] <Seveas> MistaED, /boot/initrd-2.6.10-5-k8 (oslt) is the initrd
[12:06] <fabbione> MistaED: the one we created before
[12:06] <Seveas> mpq type /list
[12:06] <Seveas> %)
[12:06] <mpq> ah ok
[12:06] <hondje> mpq: tons of various open source projects are on freenode, along with general nerd interest chans like #math
[12:06] <fabbione> MistaED: can you do another check for me please?
[12:06] <mpq> o_0
[12:06] <MistaED> sure
[12:07] <thoreauputic> mpq: there are hundreds, be warned
[12:07] <fabbione> MistaED: chroot again in the system and paste me the output of ldd /bin/ls
[12:07] <MistaED> but initrd.img, is that an actual image or just a link?
[12:07] <fabbione> MistaED: send me the actual image
[12:07] <fabbione> initrd.img is a symlink
[12:07] <mpq> there's an idlerpg on freenode?
[12:08] <hondje> mpq: ~290 people there
[12:08] <thoreauputic> mpq: the easiest way to check the exiatence of a channel is to type /join #whatever
[12:08] <MistaED> bugger, ubuntu live doesn't have gftp
[12:08] <thoreauputic> *existence
[12:08] <MistaED> i'll try dccing
[12:08] <hondje> unless you use xchat, then hit window and open channel list
[12:08] <mpq> I'm in an idle rpg on another server
[12:08] <mpq> it's #irpg there
[12:08] <MistaED> actually i'll just manually use ftp nm
[12:09] <fabbione> MistaED: i doubt dcc will work
[12:09] <fabbione> but you can try
[12:09] <thoreauputic> MistaED: you can use "connect to server"
[12:09] <thoreauputic> MistaED: nautilus does ftp
[12:09] <fabbione> MistaED: ok thanks for the output.. it looks sane
[12:09] <hondje> gFtp is in universe
[12:10] <thoreauputic> hondje: yeah, he's on the live CD
[12:10] <hondje> oh, neat
[12:10] <geev> hallow there
[12:10] <hondje> I downloaded the ppc one, but keep forgetting to try it
[12:10] <geev> hi to all
[12:11] <Seveas> hi
[12:11] <martii> fabbione: where do I find breezy packages
[12:11] <geev> am intended to move from windows to linux
[12:11] <fabbione> martii: same place as the hoary once
[12:11] <fabbione> ones
[12:11] <martii> ok
[12:11] <Seveas> geev, that is a great idea :)
[12:11] <MistaED> uploading now
[12:11] <hondje> I'll second that
[12:12] <geev> but linux is not my os user friend
[12:12] <Seveas> geev, Ubuntu is known to be friendlier than other linux ditributions
[12:12] <geev> where can i get resource to read how to use linux in general?
[12:13] <Seveas> geev, that's a very broad question... You might want to look on www.tldp.org or buy a linux for dummies book
[12:13] <Tallia1> hi guys.. how i can get the list of installed packages!?
[12:14] <Seveas> Tallia1, dpkg -l
[12:14] <thoreauputic> geev: for Ubuntu, look first at the ubuntulinux.org site, and browse the wiki and forums
[12:14] <Tallia1> tnx a lot
[12:14] <geev> yes @ seveas
[12:14] <Tallia1> s
[12:14] <Seveas> or dpkg --get-selections | grep ii
[12:14] <MistaED> you can really learn linux by using something like gentoo, geev ;)
[12:14] <Seveas> MistaED, don't scare him away :)
[12:14] <hondje> so, was ubuntu aiming for the newbie demographic, or has it just kinda worked out that way?
[12:14] <sjoerd> MistaED: that's crap :)
[12:14] <thoreauputic> MistaED: traitor *grin*
[12:15] <mpq> hondje: there's a difference between user-friendly and newbie
[12:15] <Seveas> hondje, one of the goals of ubuntu was and is being beginner friendly
[12:15] <mpq> oh
[12:15] <MistaED> hehe, ubuntu still rocks in my books :)
[12:15] <mpq> never mind
[12:15] <hondje> mpq: of course, but it's definately recommended for newbies :)
[12:15] <mpq> I should have known
[12:16] <hondje> Seveas: Good to know, thanks :)
[12:16] <mpq> what with the fact that I used it before anything else
[12:16] <hondje> hehe
[12:16] <MistaED> hmm, taking awhile to upload this image, 4mb...
[12:16] <Choubaka> Ubuntu rocks for any user who wants a desktop.
[12:16] <hondje> Yeah, it's solid
[12:16] <mpq> I want a desktop
[12:16] <Choubaka> Even though it may be more newbie-ish in the beginning.
[12:16] <hondje> I wouldn't go back to sid again
[12:16] <mpq> it would be for games though
[12:16] <MistaED> well i've moved to kubuntu as i prefer kde
[12:17] <egg|nosense> I want a free beer.
[12:17] <mpq> I don't like kde
[12:17] <MistaED> still a little buggy in some things, but i enjoy it better than gnome
[12:17] <fabbione> MistaED: ok take your time to upload. i need to get some lunch :)
[12:17] <Choubaka> What's this about "learning linux" with gentoo btw?
[12:17] <mpq> I tried to use it once and got confused
[12:17] <MistaED> ok, thanks for helping out fabbione
[12:17] <hondje> i like the newbie aspect, usually implies less initial config work on my part
[12:17] <egg|nosense> s/beer/coffee/
[12:17] <fabbione> MistaED: no problem, but i am almost 200% sure that it is not a kernel problem
[12:17] <fabbione> MistaED: that error is cause by a missing file in the initrd that is generated by the initrd-tools
[12:18] <fabbione> MistaED: truth is that the kernel run that command at postinstall time to create the initrd
[12:18] <fabbione> still full suckage
[12:18] <MistaED> ah
[12:18] <kestas> can someone show me a screenshot of kubuntu?
[12:18] <fabbione> that's why i need to check the contents of the initrd
[12:19] <Choubaka> If you want to learn Unix/linux, reat rute.sf.net :D
[12:19] <fabbione> ok food now
[12:19] <Choubaka> read*
[12:19] <Seveas> kestas, www.kubuntu.org has a few
[12:21] <shanon> Is there any docs on the differences / benefits of Ubuntu over Gentoo?
[12:21] <hondje> logs of flamewars count? :)
[12:22] <hyphenated> shanon: try them both and see which one you like better
[12:22] <Choubaka> shanon: a crapload of differences at least
[12:22] <Choubaka> in gentoo, you compile.
[12:22] <Seveas> shanon, such a document would be LONG
[12:22] <Choubaka> in Ubuntu, you don't
[12:22] <shanon> I have been a long time gentoo user. But I am doing a re-install and have head lots of good things about ubuntu
[12:22] <Choubaka> if you like compiling, then go for gentoo.
[12:22] <Seveas> in gentoo you wait for gcc to spit out stuff, in ubuntu you use linux.
[12:22] <shanon> Ah I see
[12:22] <Choubaka> If you don't, steer clear. :D
[12:23] <hondje> shanon: Ubuntu is a desktop distro, a real one...you install it, spend a little time getting it just right, then it runs on autopilot
[12:23] <hondje> gentoo makes you take a more active role in using it
[12:24] <shanon> I read that it is based on debian. I used debian a few years ago but the package management (mainly dealing with dependencies) was not very good
[12:24] <MistaED> well ubuntu/kubuntu is the first distro which has made me not use XP for more than a week
[12:24] <hondje> what, you didn't like apt? :o
[12:24] <Seveas> shanon, well, pm in ubuntu is perfect
[12:24] <MistaED> so it's an awesome free desktop
[12:24] <Choubaka> shanon: wtf.   But I am a sys admin so I like playing with Unix
[12:27] <Seveas> and the linux kernel about 11
[12:27] <dooglus> ok...  emacs21 usually comes with a file called "tramp.el" or "tramp.elc".  I can't find it in ubuntu.  Any idea why?
[12:27] <hyphenated> I think slackware was one of the very first, with a name like SRS at the time
[12:28] <MistaED> 1992/1993 is when debian and slackware came about after i think SElinux or something
[12:28] <hondje> Yggradsil, or whatever it was called
[12:28] <thoreauputic> and Yggsdrasil (not sure of the spelling)
[12:28] <mjr> MistaED, SLS
[12:28] <shanon> So when you say it is a good desktop distro I can easily apt-get the newest enlightenment and it will install with xinerama etc...
[12:28] <Seveas> Yggdrasil
[12:28] <thoreauputic> hondje: something like that :)
[12:28] <MistaED> ah, sorry
[12:28] <shovel> slackware is the oldest surviving
[12:28] <shovel> dictribution
[12:28] <Seveas> shanon, enlightenment is not available from the repos yet
[12:29] <hondje> shanon: not quite that magical :)
[12:29] <Seveas> but xinerama is
[12:29] <mjr> ahh, I remember installing slackware from floppies... That was a pain ;)
[12:29] <dooglus> oh i get it - tramp is a separate package in ubuntu.  alright.
[12:29] <hondje> e17 you have to get from outside
[12:29] <shovel> mjr lol yeah ;)
[12:29] <shanon> hondje: sorry I should clarify the newest e16 build
[12:29] <shanon> e17 is not stable yet
[12:29] <Gog> not a lot of point getting e17 yet :)
[12:29] <hondje> oh, right-o
[12:29] <MistaED> slackware 10.1 is still good, just harder to install packages as there's no dependency management, unless you use like slapt-get or something
[12:30] <hondje> I installed it from cvs just to give me a fix while I wait for it :)
[12:30] <shovel> I still use slack on my mp3 server
[12:30] <thoreauputic> shanon: enlightenment is in the repos, but which version I don't know offhand
[12:30] <Gog> hondje: what did you think?
[12:30] <shanon> no problem
[12:30] <Seveas> e16 is available
[12:30] <shovel> it is less convieniant on desktop (that you don't want to work on too much) but do want up to date
[12:30] <Seveas> so easy to install with apt-get
[12:30] <MistaED> yeah my server is running slackware, damn reliable, but later i might put ubuntu or debian on it
[12:30] <hondje> Raster is the desktop prophet, Gog :)
[12:30] <Gog> heh
[12:30] <Gog> they've gone and redeisgned the site *again*
[12:30] <shanon> does Ubuntu break itself down similar to debian (as in stable, test, dev)?
[12:31] <Seveas> shanon, no
[12:31] <Choubaka> no.
[12:31] <Seveas> there is stable & dev
[12:31] <Choubaka> I run FreeBSD on my server. I like it :)
[12:31] <Seveas> dev is now EXTREMELY unstable
[12:31] <Gog> Choubaka: give ti time ;)
[12:31] <Gog> s/ti/it/
[12:31] <hondje> hehe
[12:31] <egg|nosense> Was FreeBSD dead?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> shanon: a new "stable" every 6 months
[12:31] <Gog> freebsd seems to be going downhill
[12:32] <hondje> egg|nosense: Not yet, though netcraft confirms it's dying
[12:32] <Gog> I'm a linux convert after years of fbsd
[12:32] <Choubaka> hehe.
[12:32] <thoreauputic> Gog: yes, netcraft confirms....
[12:32] <egg|nosense> hehe x N
[12:32] <Choubaka> Well, I'm just trying out different stuff.
[12:32] <Gog> :)
[12:32] <Gog> no harm in that
[12:32] <shanon> thoreauputic: Can you update to the next stable via apt-get (or similar) or do you need to install off CD?
[12:33] <Seveas> shanon, upgrading is one line of shell commands :)
[12:33] <shanon> s/install/upgrade
[12:33] <thoreauputic> shanon: you just change sources and do a dist-upgrade
[12:33] <Choubaka> BSD is more like a true UNIX I hear. So I thought it'd be good to have some experience with it.
[12:33] <shanon> excllent
[12:33] <shovel> Choubaka: Thats the fun of linux :)
[12:33] <Seveas> shanon: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:33] <hondje> apt-get does all your work, though you can make it harder on yourself by using backports and the like
[12:33] <Seveas> which sane person needs backportd with a -month release cycle?
[12:33] <holycow> *hmmm*
[12:34] <hondje> :)
[12:34] <holycow> you know muine media player is pretty darned cool too
[12:34] <shanon> Are the packages static until the next distro upgrade or are the packages released often?
[12:34] <Seveas> static
[12:34] <shanon> Is there a command simialr to emerge world ?
[12:34] <shovel> pretty static
[12:34] <shovel> just security
[12:34] <Seveas> but there's 18 months security support
[12:35] <shanon> Ah ok I think I see how it is working
[12:35] <Gog> Seveas: there are regular package updates though no?
[12:35] <Gog> (unless I've got the wrong end of the stick)
[12:35] <Seveas> Gog, not for the stable distros
[12:35] <Gog> ah ok
[12:35] <shovel> emerge world is just an upgrade
[12:35] <Seveas> only security updates
[12:35] <shovel> yes?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> Gog: only security and major bugs
[12:35] <shovel> like apt-get udpate upgrade
[12:35] <Gog> Seveas: security updates, what I meant :) (sorry)
[12:35] <holycow> wow fspot is amazing
[12:35] <Seveas> shovel, gentoo is too different to compare emerge world with apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:35] <hondje> holycow: Isn't it? :)
[12:35] <ibo> guys.. how do i install windows if i already have linux? i have allocated a fat32 partition. im planning to install winxp pro
[12:36] <hondje> made it worth downloading mono :)
[12:36] <Choubaka> There's ubuntu-updates :)
[12:36] <Choubaka> hondje: what's fspot?
[12:36] <shovel> Seveas: thats why I was asking what emerage world was :) I have never bothered with Gentoo
[12:36] <shanon> ibo: make sure the partition is the first on the disk then install.
[12:36] <hyphenated> ibo: very carefully. windows likes to imagine that it's the boss of your computer
[12:36] <hondje> Choubaka: to manage photos
[12:36] <Seveas> ibo, just install it. it'll fuck up your mbr, but you can restore it from a livecd
[12:36] <holycow> hondje, well i gotta say, i'm starting to think miguels may have been right with mono
[12:36] <Choubaka> hondje: ahaa.
[12:36] <Seveas> emerge world = upgrade all packages
[12:36] <Seveas> but since there is no stable/unstable gentoo this fucks up a lot sometimes
[12:36] <shovel> lol
[12:36] <Choubaka> Seveas: rather, "WAIT" and upgrade all packages.
[12:37] <shanon> Seveas: Agreed it can
[12:37] <shovel> so did working off sid :)
[12:37] <shovel> from time to time
[12:37] <Seveas> Choubaka, ubuntu-updates is for ubuntu-calendar and serious non-security bugfixes
[12:37] <shanon> Thanks for the whirlwind tour everyone. I have a good idea of the ubuntu model now
[12:37] <ibo> shannon... the fat32 is on hda2... so I have a problem?
[12:37] <Seveas> yw shanon feel free to ask more :)
[12:38] <holycow> hondje, and appearently ihave images on my hd i had no clue i had
[12:38] <holycow> wow
[12:38] <hondje> holycow: hehe, cool :-)
[12:38] <shanon> ibo: WIndows won't like being on HD2 but you can change it to be the first HDD in bios
[12:38] <hondje> I loved the time scrollbar thing on top
[12:38] <Seveas> shanon, XP doesn't mind about that
[12:38] <fabbione> re
[12:38] <hyphenated> shanon: hda2.. second partition of the primary drive
[12:38] <Seveas> and you can change it in grub instead of bios :)
[12:38] <shanon> Seveas: Really? I am shocked!
[12:38] <hyphenated> yeah, let grub remap them
[12:38] <fabbione> MistaED: back..
[12:38] <shanon> hyphenated: oops sorry missed the a
[12:39] <Seveas> although, can grub also remap partitions??
[12:39] <Seveas> i thought it could just remap disks..
[12:39] <MistaED> wb, i think it has been uploaded, nautilus is just locked at 100% for the past few minutes
[12:39] <MistaED> the link is in the query
[12:39] <fabbione> MistaED: yup.. downloading now
[12:39] <ibo> saves.. so you are saying it doesnt matter if its on hda1 or hdaN.. i just install winxp and then just fix the bootloader with my livecd? :)
[12:39] <hyphenated> Seveas: *shrug* I've heard of people doing all sorts of tricks with grub
[12:40] <shovel> ibo yes
[12:40] <hyphenated> Seveas: I don't use windows though, so I don't know how well they work
[12:40] <shanon> Although I have not tried it on XP 200O would not install on the second partion unless you did some magic to hide the first one while booting into windows
[12:40] <fabbione> MistaED: thanks :)
[12:40] <Seveas> hyphenated, likewise :)
[12:40] <MistaED> np, thank you
[12:40] <Seveas> shanon, i have tried it with XP one time, it worked
[12:41] <shanon> Seveas: Hmmm... I am surprised they got that to work. That is good
[12:41] <ubuntu> oooooooooooooooo
[12:41] <MistaED> i'll need to sort out my winXP, some crappy virus i think has pretty much stuffed up my connection to the lan somehow
[12:41] <ibo> now.. if its ok to proceed.. i would really be interested how to do the actual bootloader "repair" after the winxp installation. do u guys have any links handy for instructions?
[12:41] <ubuntu> hai i'm from indonesia
[12:41] <MistaED> i'm so used to kubuntu/ubuntu now :) no viruses, it's a dream
[12:41] <shanon> ibo: Just reinstall grub
[12:41] <Choubaka> you probably need a rescue floppy for that. :)
[12:41] <Seveas> MistaED, there is an easy way to sort that: wipe windows :)
[12:42] <hondje> MistaED: which are you using more, KDE or Gnom?
[12:42] <shanon> ibo: not the package
[12:42] <MistaED> yeah flatten & reinstall
[12:42] <MistaED> same old
[12:42] <MistaED> KDE now
[12:42] <MistaED> as konqueror is so much better than nautilus
[12:42] <ibo> shanon : ok.. thru the livecd right? no need for bootdisks
[12:42] <Seveas> ibo, boot from a livecd, open a root terminal, chroot into your ubuntu system and type grub-install '(hd0)'
[12:42] <MistaED> and it generally looks better
[12:42] <shanon> ibo: type grub to get the shell. Then it is an option like setup or something
[12:42] <shovel> Was KDE user since 2001, just went Gnome :)
[12:43] <ibo> ok i got it/. thanks a lot saveas and shanon.
[12:43] <shanon> ibo: I haven't used the ubuntu live CD but you can do it from any linux live cd that has grub
[12:43] <Seveas> ibo, and if you have /boot on a different partition, you need to mount it too
[12:43] <Seveas> BEFORE running grub-install
[12:43] <Choubaka> shovel: I have been a Gnome user for ages. Now I switched to XFCE4 :D
[12:43] <shanon> Seveas: true
[12:43] <hondje> I never liked gnome until this ubuntu install
[12:43] <MistaED> the ROX file manager with XFCE4 is fairly limited though
[12:44] <MistaED> unless you link like nautilus or konqueror from it
[12:44] <shanon> Seveas: Ah thats right I forgot you can use grub-install now. I am used to doing it through the shell like you used to
[12:44] <shovel> Choubaka   I have tried it and a few others, but I like Gnome/KDE, just leaning to Gnome now for a change
[12:44] <Seveas> the grub shell is good too :
[12:44] <Seveas> :)
[12:45] <hondje> oh, fast user switching for gnome....I must install that
[12:45] <MistaED> gnome has taken a battering from me, all the games i've run at various resolutions have knocked around the toolbar icons all over the place
[12:45] <MistaED> with kde there seems to be no problems
[12:45] <shanon> Well I think you guys conviced me to try Ubuntu.
[12:45] <shanon> Plus a couple other people I trust the opinions of
[12:46] <Seveas> hondje, does that exist?!
[12:46] <hondje> Seveas: Just saw it :D http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34471
[12:46] <shovel> shanon it is definately worth a try (I have used Slackware/Debian/Libranet/Redhat/Mandrake ubuntu seems to hold its own) :)
[12:46] <Seveas> omg!
[12:46] <thoreauputic> gdmflexiserver?
[12:46] <littleworm> burning app for gnome?
[12:46] <hondje> No, to switch between users w/out logging out to gdm
[12:46] <thoreauputic> littleworm: gnomebaker
[12:46] <MistaED> yeah ubuntu/kubuntu has been my favourite desktop now, much better than the ones i've tried in the past
[12:46] <Shufla> littleworm: www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:46] <littleworm> thx
[12:47] <IIIEars> Is there an mp3 to wav tool?
[12:47] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: lame will do that
[12:47] <shanon> shovel: Yeah I have tried most of those I didn't like them. Gentoo is good but the emerge can break things overtime and it takes SOOOOO long o install
[12:47] <hondje> hrm, dependancy problems, figures
[12:47] <Seveas> IIIEars, you can use the xmms diskwriter plugin too
[12:48] <IIIEars> xmms diskwriter. - Great!
[12:48] <Shufla> IIIEars: for console mpg123
[12:48] <Shufla> or mpg321
[12:48] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: or Audacity
[12:48] <ibo> btw... hd0 is mbr? :)
[12:48] <MistaED> would ubuntu be the only distro which is both easy to use and not use rpm's? lol
[12:48] <hondje> mepis
[12:49] <MistaED> what does mepis use?
[12:49] <hondje> I think xandros uses dpkg, too
[12:49] <Seveas> MistaED, rpm is NOT easy to use
[12:49] <IIIEars> console is fine.  (did i really say that? - windows is a fading memory)
[12:49] <hondje> dpkg, like debian and ubuntu
[12:49] <Seveas> rpm is sucky
[12:49] <shovel> Shanon I hated redhat/manrape to be honest they didn't last long, Libranet was good but commercial and they charge 80% of full price for upgrades, I generally got it free as a beta tester, but it was just starting to irritate me ;)
[12:49] <MistaED> indeed, i hate rpm's
[12:49] <shovel> MistaED no libranet too, but you pay for it :(
[12:49] <Shufla> what's wrong with rpms?
[12:49] <hondje> The latest suse kicks ass on a lappy though
[12:49] <MistaED> i'm just comparing to like mandrake, fedora, suse, etc.
[12:50] <thoreauputic> Shufla: it isn't the rpms, it's the package management tools
[12:50] <Shufla> imho suse is great. i've switched from suse to ubuntu at work, only beacause i wanted support ubuntu
[12:50] <Seveas> and the developers that tag there rpms stupidly
[12:50] <Seveas> their*
[12:50] <Shufla> thoreauputic: huh. but synaptic supports rpms. so what is wrong with them? :D
[12:51] <Seveas> Shufla, debs are sooo much better when it comes to upgrading
[12:51] <thoreauputic> Shufla: as  I said, nothing wrong with RPMs as such
[12:51] <MistaED> deb > rpm
[12:51] <MistaED> by a great degree
[12:51] <Seveas> deb >> rpm > tgz
[12:51] <hondje> rpm is more fragile, it seems
[12:51] <shovel> lol I liked tgz > rpm :)
[12:51] <Seveas> rpm's are easier to make, but easier to break too
[12:52] <Shufla> ubuntu got its own flaws - no oobox java support, debianized (which is for plus too) philosophy (only oss, etc)
[12:52] <Seveas> debs are a bit harder to create, but once you have good debs...
[12:52] <shovel> or generally on slackware compiling myself, rather than using rpms
[12:52] <hondje> plus rpm distros are well established among desktop users, so there are a ton of crappy 3rd party rpms to break tings
[12:52] <Seveas> oob java is impossible Shufla
[12:52] <MistaED> suse was good and all, but i found it to be extremely bloated and it wouldn't let me upgrade gaim from an ancient version
[12:52] <Seveas> licensing crap
[12:52] <MistaED> this was 9.1 amd64
[12:52] <Juhaz> nothing wrong with rpm, people just blame it because they break their system by installing broken third party ones or something for different distro
[12:52] <Shufla> Seveas: nope :D i was thinkinh about installer for ubuntu with embedded ffox window to grab sun's java :D
[12:53] <fabbione> MistaED: we are checking the initrd...
[12:53] <Seveas> Juhaz, even 'official' redhat rpm's break...
[12:53] <MistaED> cool
[12:53] <fabbione> MistaED: would it be possible to you to downgrade one of the kernels, if i tell you how?
[12:53] <MistaED> sure
[12:53] <Choubaka> Shufla: There's java-package
[12:53] <Seveas> java-package is nice
[12:53] <hondje> evil :(
[12:53] <fabbione> MistaED: cool.. usual chroot dance.. remeber to mount /proc
[12:53] <Shufla> Choubaka: i know, i'm using it, but it's not "ubuntuized"
[12:53] <Juhaz> Seveas, raraly, and so do debs, on occasion
[12:53] <MistaED> yep
[12:53] <Shufla> Choubaka: it could be "clickable"
[12:54] <Seveas> Juhaz, rarely? well not too rarely in my experience
[12:54] <Shufla> and i think that canonical could make some argement with sun.
[12:54] <fabbione> MistaED: grab the old image from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/
[12:54] <Seveas> unfortunately i have to work with rad hat
[12:54] <fabbione> MistaED: and just dpkg -i the image
[12:54] <hondje> Why can't there be a pkg like ms ttf fonts package, and download / install everything?
[12:54] <Choubaka> I never managed to install rpms correctly.
[12:54] <Choubaka> :P
[12:54] <MistaED> yep
[12:54] <fabbione> MistaED: boot with it
[12:54] <Seveas> hondje, msttcorefonts does not have these licensing restrictions
[12:54] <Juhaz> Seveas, well, discounting messing with --force and the like, I haven't seen broken RH packages for ages, any examples?
[12:54] <fabbione> MistaED: that should work.. if it doesn't with a similar error.. than we need to dig way outside the kernel
[12:54] <Choubaka> Though I tried red hat when it didn't have yum
[12:55] <Seveas> Juhaz, glibc 2.3.2-27.9.7
[12:55] <Choubaka> I guess things are better now.
[12:55] <hondje> Seveas: That must be a bastard of a license :(
[12:55] <Choubaka> But where are the official yum repositories?
[12:55] <shovel> Juhaz to be honest I haven't used redhat in 3 years, i got too angry to go back
[12:55] <Seveas> sun license prohibits creating .debs
[12:55] <shovel> ;)
[12:55] <Shufla> i was using redhat 9 as xterminal server for our three developers on duron 600 :> it was running fine :D
[12:55] <MistaED>  linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic_2.6.10-34_amd64.deb ?
[12:56] <fabbione> MistaED: yes or the -k8
[12:57] <fabbione> MistaED: but apparently we already found the problem.. in any case your test will confirm it
[12:57] <MistaED> ok
[12:57] <Juhaz> Seveas, I'd say three year old ones go to the "in ages" category
[12:57] <jr_G-man> why were you angry at redhat?
[12:57] <Seveas> Juhaz, glibc 2.3.2 isn't that old
[12:57] <Mithrandir> MistaED: around?
[12:57] <Fish-Face> After a while of running, "mozilla-firefox -remote <anything>" returns "Error: no running window" and exits status 2. When it first starts, -remote commands work normally
[12:58] <fabbione> MistaED: Mithrandir is checking your initrd
[12:58] <hondje> Seveas: oh, you know lots of ubuntu stuff....why don't they mount /dev/shm noexec?
[12:58] <Seveas> hondje, ENOCLUE
[12:58] <Seveas> (ie: i have no idea)
[12:58] <Mithrandir> MistaED: there's something funky with your initrd; I'll make a new one and would like for you to try that out.  It'll take me a few minutes to prepare it.
[12:58] <hondje> :)
[12:58] <shovel> lots of bad rpms, broken dependancies etc. wouldn't install on my gf computer, just froze up during install, slackware ws fine though
[12:59] <eskaypey> mm yeah on 233Mhz ubuntu doesnt seem to run to well
[12:59] <shovel> thats when I switched to slack, but then got sick of building from source and switched to debian
[12:59] <hondje> apt is addictive
[12:59] <wdh> eskaypey, it does, just switch to XFCE or fvwm
[12:59] <wdh> stop using gnome :)
[12:59] <Seveas> eskaypey, ubuntu will run fine, gnome will have a problem :)
[12:59] <MistaED> ok, cool
[01:00] <Seveas> twm!
[01:00] <Shufla> eskaypey: or use gnome config tool to "strip" gnome
[01:00] <MistaED> well i have -34 all set up so i'll just reboot and try it
[01:00] <Juhaz> Seveas, Subject: glibc 2.3.2 released date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003
[01:00] <Juhaz> Seveas, ok, so it's just 2.5 years
[01:00] <wdh> shovel, you might like Archlinux, its very 'KISS'.. as i was told Slack is too
[01:00] <Seveas> Juhaz, little over 2 years
[01:00] <Seveas> and the 27-9-7 package even younger
[01:00] <eskaypey> wdh: thats an option
[01:00] <shovel> slack isn't really simple in comparison to debian
[01:01] <Juhaz> month here or there, nevertheless ancient in software world
[01:01] <Seveas> Juhaz, not really
[01:01] <cantenna> go the maroons
[01:01] <eskaypey> going to get xfce going
[01:01] <eskaypey> or i even get flux
[01:02] <eskaypey> but nah it is a bit slow, boot takes about 3-4 min
[01:02] <shovel> wdh: I am happy with a debian based distro :)
[01:02] <wdh> shovel, me too :) i actually left arch for ubuntu :)
[01:02] <holycow> hey offtopic abu twadya think, cg or real --> http://www.highend3d.com/artists/artist.3d?au=beardsell&iid=547
[01:02] <Shufla> eskaypey: turn off mdadm and other boot stuff that u do not need.
[01:03] <hondje> holycow: cg?
[01:03] <shovel> wdh: your right though reading on arch website it does sound like slack
[01:03] <hondje> yeah, has to be with that URL :)
[01:03] <holycow> hodje correct! *ding* petty good huh?
[01:03] <Shufla> holycow: nice. i want her :D
[01:03] <wdh> shovel, only no source builds :)
[01:04] <hondje> I want computer to render her
[01:04] <holycow> hehe :)
[01:04] <shovel> ;)
[01:04] <Shufla> hands are unnatural :(
[01:04] <holycow> Shufla, yeah too small i think
[01:05] <eskaypey> Shufla: is that in /etc/rc?
[01:05] <wdh> holycow, that is pretty good.. you sure it wasnt started from another pic and blurred to make it look 'real' instead of real :)
[01:05] <Shufla> eskaypey: /etc/init.d/... , use dpkg -S /etc/init.d/... and than you _may_ dpkg --purge some packages.
[01:05] <wdh> holycow, ?
[01:06] <holycow> wdh, that guy is pretty good, go to his home page
[01:06] <Juhaz> pretty bad for something that took whole month to render
[01:06] <hondje> practice makes perfect
[01:06] <holycow> about 3 or 4 years ago he did an amazing animation ... its on his site anyway
[01:06] <hondje> of course, given a month I could have found two hot chicks for half the cost...
[01:07] <holycow> i love muine
[01:07] <holycow> so simple
[01:07] <Shufla> that girl is perfect for GPL-geek. you can have it and share it to everyone...:>
[01:07] <holycow> easy now
[01:07] <holycow> hehe
[01:08] <hondje> Free as in....yep.
[01:08] <holycow> back to woik
[01:08] <Shufla> my suggestion - targetalert plugin for ffox :D
[01:08] <holycow> lata
[01:09] <eskaypey> Shufla: k what goes where dots are?
[01:09] <MistaED> that kernel gave the same problem
[01:09] <littleworm> how do i download flash decoders?
[01:10] <Shufla> eskaypey: iq globbing :) look in those folders, substitute files, etc...
[01:10] <fabbione> MistaED: welcome back
[01:10] <MistaED> thanks
[01:10] <fabbione> MistaED: ok... perfect in terms that we know that the kernel is NOT at fault
[01:10] <littleworm> how do i download flash decoders?
[01:10] <fabbione> MistaED: next level of test :)
[01:11] <fabbione> MistaED: please chroot again.. bla bla
[01:11] <Seveas> littleworm, see wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:11] <Shufla> hehe. he's movies are great :D
[01:11] <fabbione> MistaED: grab this initrd: http://err.no/tmp/initrd-test.img
[01:11] <MistaED> ok
[01:11] <fabbione> MistaED: and copy it over the one you have sent to me
[01:11] <fabbione> MistaED: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-amd64-k8
[01:12] <fabbione> MistaED: without touching anything else, you need to boot into that kernel
[01:12] <fabbione> MistaED: if this one works, than we know what is wrong
[01:12] <fabbione> and mostlikely it is a similar problem for the i386 guy
[01:13] <MistaED> so what probably caused the bad initrd?
[01:13] <fabbione> a missing library path to /lib64
[01:13] <fabbione> so basically the system doesn't know where to find the proper libraries to make the initrd working properly
[01:13] <fabbione> what is really scary is that nobody noticed before
[01:14] <MistaED> ah
[01:14] <MistaED> alright i'll go try it, brb
[01:16] <IIIEars> I appreciate the audio tips. - Thank You.
[01:17] <toonX> question: why after i changend my root passwd ,sudo keeps working with the old one?
[01:17] <shanon> Actually they are going to have both the red screeen and the blue screen
[01:17] <toonX> in fact if i try to run sudo with the new root passwd it wont work, instead it works with the old one
[01:18] <morris> toonX, was ur old root pass the same as your current user pass?
[01:18] <hondje> toonX: the real point of sudo is so that poeple can do root jobs w/out root passwd
[01:19] <shanon> toonX: you should use your password for sudo
[01:19] <MistaED> :D!!!
[01:19] <shanon> toonX: as in the user you are logged in as
[01:19] <MistaED> great stuff guys
[01:19] <toonX> morris, in fact yes, i was working offline :)
[01:19] <MistaED> works perfectly
[01:19] <Mithrandir> MistaED: it worked?
[01:19] <MistaED> yep
[01:19] <Mithrandir> MistaED: yay, great.
[01:19] <Mithrandir> MistaED: then we just need to track down how it happened.
[01:20] <Fish-Face> After a while of running, "mozilla-firefox -remote <anything>" returns "Error: no running window" and exits status 2. When it first starts, -remote commands work normally
[01:20] <morris> toonX, reason why that works is.. thats the login for your user account ;p as hondje and shanon pointed out ;p
[01:20] <MistaED> yeah, like how some people got the problem and some didn't
[01:20] <Mithrandir> MistaED: I really don't understand how people have gotten those problems on i386, though.
[01:20] <toonX> hondje, yep you'r right , i got it all wrong in the first place
[01:21] <toonX> morris, yep ,i see silly me :) that was the point
[01:21] <morris> hehe
[01:21] <fabbione> MistaED: good :)
[01:23] <hondje> toonX: gotta learn sometime! :)
[01:24] <toonX> hondje, agree on that!
[01:24] <jc-denton> hi i'm currently using debian and i want to install the openoffice2 packages from ubuntu
[01:25] <Fish-Face> Grr @ slashdot
[01:25] <jc-denton> how can i download just these packages
[01:25] <jc-denton> ?
[01:25] <bob2> jc-denton: dude, no
[01:25] <Seveas> jc-denton, you might succeed with apt pinning, but i expect problems...
[01:26] <jc-denton> Seveas: hum
[01:26] <jc-denton> i just tought about dpkg -i
[01:26] <wdh> jc-denton, you could surely do that.. but be aware of dependencies
[01:27] <wdh> jc-denton, i believe the packages can be downloaded at packages.ubuntu.com
[01:27] <jc-denton> yes but there is no download link on packages.ubuntu.org
[01:27] <jc-denton> thats my problem
[01:27] <Seveas> jc-denton, archive.ubuntu.com/pool/
[01:27] <Shufla> jc-denton: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[01:28] <Seveas> jc-denton, dpkg -i will complain about ubuntu-specific dependencies...
[01:28] <martii> fabbione: one more question
[01:28] <zoner_> I downloaded  a openoffice 2 beta from my local sunsite mirror
[01:28] <zoner_> works fine
[01:28] <martii> fabbione: do we have boxbackup in ubuntu
[01:28] <bob2> I already explained to jc-denton how to get it in a more approriate channel
[01:28] <martii> fabbione: apt-cache search gives no results
[01:29] <jc-denton> Seveas: on sid?
[01:29] <Seveas> jc-denton, yes even on sid
[01:29] <fabbione> martii: dunno.. apt-cache search backup
[01:29] <fabbione> probably not
[01:29] <Seveas> no boxbackup
[01:29] <jc-denton> well what options do i have then?
[01:30] <bob2> jc-denton: dude, I explained what to do
[01:30] <wdh> jc-denton, switch to ubuntu :)
[01:30] <jc-denton> wdh: i will probably
[01:30] <Shufla> jc-denton: or ask on #debian*
[01:30] <bob2> jc-denton: if you choose to ignore that, fine, but this is off-topic for #ubuntu
[01:30] <bob2> Shufla: he did, I explained how, then he came here
[01:30] <jc-denton> but as long as firefox depends on gnome i dont :P
[01:30] <Shufla> jc-denton: it will.
[01:31] <shanon> I can feel a kick coming
[01:31] <shanon> 8)
[01:31] <jc-denton> lol
[01:31] <martii> Seveas: hmm I think there is package for debian
[01:32] <Shufla> jc-denton: i think that's beacause ubuntu is gnome based/integrated. so ffox in ubuntu is gnome-integrated.
[01:32] <Shufla> shanon: why?
[01:32] <shanon> Shufla: What bob2 has been saying
[01:32] <scizho> eh.. anyone use ubuntu for diskless server?
[01:32] <Shufla> diskless server?
[01:32] <jc-denton> yes but i dislike gnome
[01:33] <thoreauputic> shanon: #ubuntu is fairly permissive in general ;)
[01:33] <MistaED> hmm, odd
[01:33] <MistaED> gtk-qt doesn't work
[01:33] <MistaED> ohwell
[01:33] <Shufla> scizho: you mean terminal server?
[01:33] <thoreauputic> shanon: too much so at times...
[01:33] <scizho> yes..
[01:34] <shanon> heh
[01:34] <Shufla> scizho: google for debian howtos for it. it should suit well to ubuntu. i personally didn't setup such server, but my friend done it, and it was ruinning well.
[01:34] <thoreauputic> ruining well? Oh dear *grin*
[01:34] <Shufla> scizho: FYI it is not to easy to start with, you'll have to check many docs.
[01:35] <Shufla> ops :D
[01:35] <fabbione> MistaED: can you be so kind to not play with your system in the next few hours? our initrd guy will soon wake up and might need to dig some stuff to understand the root of the problem
[01:35] <Shufla> running
[01:35] <thoreauputic> hehe
[01:35] <scizho> i already running it
[01:35] <fabbione> MistaED: i added the info to 11135
[01:35] <MistaED> sure
[01:35] <fabbione> MistaED: so that we can actually solve it for it
[01:35] <scizho> but the clients keep crashing all the time
[01:35] <jbailey> fabbione: That'd be me, right? =)
[01:35] <fabbione> this is just a workaround
[01:35] <thoreauputic> Shufla: I knew it was a typo - couldn't resist..
[01:35] <fabbione> jbailey: good morning and yes
[01:35] <Shufla> scizho: what do you mean crash?
[01:36] <scizho> freeze, hang up.. take too long to load etc
[01:36] <MistaED> well i need to go in around 2 hours, so
[01:36] <fabbione> MistaED: jbailey is THE guy :)
[01:36] <Shufla> thoreauputic: i know :> :D
[01:36] <Shufla> scizho: problems with network overload?
[01:36] <MistaED> aha, cool
[01:36] <MistaED> hey jbailty
[01:36] <MistaED> *jbailey
[01:37] <jbailey> MistaED: Heya - I'm just sitting down to the box, gimme a couple minutes. =)
[01:37] <scizho> maybe...
[01:38] <Shufla> scizho: do you have central logging? afair it's good with x-terms. and check switches, network hardware is very loaded in x-terms.
[01:38] <scizho> but i only run with 2 client, and still it happen
[01:39] <Shufla> scizho: check server card. afair nfs use UDP, and if you have broken card there might be many problems.
[01:39] <JaffaCAk1> is there an ultravnc or something similar that will work in ubuntu so I can remote control a windows machine?
[01:39] <mjr> actually, newer nfs versions can use tcp too, and I think that's actually the linux default nowadays
[01:39] <Shufla> JaffaCAk1: add universe/multiverse and apt-cache search vnc
[01:40] <djp> can anybody recommend a mobile phone that is fairly compatible with ubuntu (hoary)?
[01:40] <D_F> JaffaCAk1, What about TightVNC?
[01:40] <JaffaCAk1> ok thanks I'll try both
[01:40] <Seveas> JaffaCAk1, there is by default a windows remote desktop client installed
[01:40] <MistaED> JaffaCAk1: just type vncviewer in a termnial
[01:40] <Seveas> and a vnc viewer too
[01:40] <Seveas> JaffaCAk1, applications -> internet -> terminal server client
[01:40] <JaffaCAk1> oh nice its already with it
[01:41] <JaffaCAk1> ok thanks guys
[01:41] <Seveas> rdp/rdpv5 = windows remote desktop
[01:41] <MistaED> cool, that program looks very spiffy
[01:42] <djp> can anybody recommend a mobile phone that is fairly compatible with ubuntu (hoary)?
[01:42] <scizho> ok..
[01:42] <scizho> i get the idea..
[01:42] <scizho> maybe..
[01:42] <scizho> :P
[01:43] <JaffaCAk1> yeah that works perfect
[01:46] <shanon> Wow the website for ubuntu is really well structured for an OS project
[01:47] <jbailey> fabbione, MistaED: I'm having trouble finding the original message in the log that says what the problem is...
[01:47] <fabbione> jbailey: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=186041
[01:47] <fabbione>  /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6 cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:47] <fabbione> (that's amd64)
[01:47] <bob2> haha
[01:48] <fabbione> jbailey: bug 11135
[01:48] <jbailey> Ooo forums.
[01:48] <fabbione> jbailey: happy birthday
[01:48] <trig_> hello
[01:48] <jbailey> fabbione: Err.  My birthday is several months from now.
[01:48] <jbailey> fabbione: Need to pick another occasion. =)
[01:48] <fabbione> jbailey: for the bug ;)
[01:48] <littleworm> how do i open lilo?
[01:49] <Seveas> littleworm, that makes no sense :)
[01:49] <jbailey> (with a knife and fork)
[01:49] <jbailey> sorry. =)
[01:49] <Seveas> littleworm, what are you trying to do?
[01:49] <Seveas> lol jbailey :p
[01:49] <littleworm> i want a pic when i pick the os
[01:49] <Seveas> littleworm, have you installed lilo instead of grub?
[01:50] <littleworm> yes
[01:50] <Seveas> ah
[01:50] <Seveas> why? did grub not work for you?
[01:50] <littleworm> i havn't try it yet, i think
[01:50] <littleworm> is the grub the default?
[01:51] <Seveas> grub us the default
[01:51] <Seveas> is*
[01:51] <littleworm> it's working fine
[01:51] <zer> Is somebody using Firefox 1.1 preview here?
[01:51] <Seveas> and for grub it's easy to add a picture when booting :)
[01:51] <littleworm> really?
[01:51] <bob2> zer: better to ask in #firefox on irc.mozilla.org
[01:51] <Seveas> yes
[01:51] <littleworm> i thoungt it's impossible
[01:51] <Seveas> lol
[01:51] <littleworm> how?
[01:52] <Seveas> littleworm, just put the image somewhere in /boot in the correct format and edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:52] <littleworm> ok, thx
[01:52] <Seveas> but the *correct format* bit is tricky
[01:52] <littleworm> why?
[01:53] <trig_> hi im on a 64 bit machine with ubuntu  4.10 amd64 edition and i want to run a win app i just wanted to know if this can be done and if so will i go faster then if it ran on a 32 bi cpu
[01:53] <Seveas> littleworm, it must be in 14-color xpm
[01:53] <littleworm> can i do it in gimp?
[01:53] <Adross> ahoy people
[01:53] <Seveas> of course littleworm :)
[01:53] <wdh> trig_, you should check the wine site whether it supports 64 bit, i dont think it does
[01:53] <Simira> are there any email clients that handles well pgp, threading, and use of several addresses(i.e. replies with the mail address you recieved it on, not the default)?
[01:53] <littleworm> thank you
[01:54] <bob2> Simira: mutt!
[01:54] <Seveas> Simira, Evolution :)
[01:54] <trig_> ok thx
[01:54] <jbailey> MistaED: I need a couple things from you to troubleshoot this.
[01:54] <wdh> Simira, or thunderbird :)
[01:54] <kestas2> threading schmeading
[01:54] <shanon> I love the nick littleworm it is quite amusing in conversation
[01:54] <wdh> Simira, with the enigmail extension
[01:54] <jbailey> MistaED: Are you using cryptroot or anything like that where you don't feel comfortable giving me your initrd?
[01:54] <Simira> neither Thunderbird or Evolution works well for me
[01:54] <littleworm> :)
[01:55] <Simira> Thunderbird has an idiotic handling for several addresses, and evolution can't thread properly
[01:55] <wdh> Simira, then you should be more specific maybe about what you want :)
[01:55] <wdh> ah.. ok
[01:55] <kestas2> you need threading in your email client?
[01:55] <HcE> Simira: hmm, my evolution threads properly
[01:55] <HcE> threading is essential
[01:55] <kestas2> the current linux kernel in ubuntu doesnt support threading
[01:55] <Seveas> jbailey, MistaED already sent his initrd to fabbione (he seems to be afk i guess)
[01:55] <kestas2> because of the security problem
[01:55] <wdh> i would like a client that treads like gmail does though :)
[01:56] <Seveas> kestas2, rofl
[01:56] <shanon> hahaha
[01:56] <Simira> HcE: how do you close all threads in the folders automatically per default?
[01:56] <Seveas> kestas2, please don't confuse things :)
[01:56] <kestas2> I want I cleint that threads like hotmail
[01:56] <HcE> Simira: ah, I don't use that feature =/
[01:56] <wdh> kestas2, :P
[01:56] <HcE> ie: I know it from thunderbird
[01:56] <kestas2> ohhhh threads
[01:56] <jbailey> Seveas: Ah thanks.
[01:56] <kestas2> I thought you meant the other threads
[01:56] <Simira> HcE: you have all your threads expanded? Isn't that unbelievably messy?
[01:57] <Seveas> kestas2, hte linux kernel on ubuntu does support threading
[01:57] <Simira> Outlook Express has everything I want except for a decent pgp support...
[01:57] <Simira> and linux support, og course
[01:57] <Simira> og/of
[01:57] <Seveas> it's the hyperthreading tachnology of the P4 processor that has been disabled
[01:57] <HcE> Simira: not really, I have a folder for all unread mail, and filter when I'm looking for  subject
[01:57] <jbailey> MistaED: Could you please attach it to the bug?  Also, are you able to get on the system with an older kernel?  If yes, I have some commands I'd like you to run.
[01:57] <Simira> HcE: you don't get a lot of email, do you? :p
[01:57] <HcE> Simira: nope, only 100-200 a day
[01:57] <kestas2> ah I see
[01:58] <MistaED> sorry just afk for a sec, watching state of origin
[01:58] <Simira> *sigh*
[01:58] <Simira> get me Outlook Express for Linux!!!
[01:58] <Seveas> Simira, eek!!!
[01:58] <snader> lol
[01:58] <webmind> Seveas, evolution
[01:58] <Simira> webmind: horrible threading
[01:58] <webmind> in evolution ?
[01:58] <Shufla> Simira: evolution?
[01:58] <Simira> *weeps*
[01:58] <MistaED> i can't get on with an older kernel, that one is buggered aswell with the initrd
[01:58] <Simira> yes, in evolution
[01:59] <Seveas> MistaED, thank god there are livecd's :)
[01:59] <Simira> I have 50 folders with endless of threads, I have to be able to collapse most of them automatically....
[01:59] <MistaED> indeed
[01:59] <Simira> I'd use several hours just to manually collapse all the threads
[02:00] <MistaED> and attach it to the bug? like upload the initrd to the bugzilla?
[02:00] <Shufla> Simira: maybe. if you are chaning software connected with some task, you shall change/refactor your behavior?
[02:01] <elric> how do i disable time synchronosing with ubuntu servers at boot time?
[02:01] <jbailey> MistaED: Do you know how to get to where you've chroot'd on to the harddrive from the livecd?
[02:01] <Simira> Shufla: except for the several-address-handling, Thunderbird works to some point for me.
[02:02] <Shufla> elric: sudo  update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[02:02] <MistaED> yep
[02:02] <elric> thanks
[02:02] <jbailey> MistaED: Please prefix your lines with "jbailey:" or something, I'm having trouble noticing that you've spoken among the rest of the conversations.
[02:03] <Shufla> Simira: well. you used to use Outlook. but every program have other gui - you might consider changing your habits to use full of another program (argghhh. my english is too poor to explain what i mean)
[02:03] <jbailey> MistaED: Yes, attach it to the bugzilla.  That way it's associated with the bug directly.
[02:03] <MistaED> jbailey: no probs
[02:03] <MistaED> jbailey: ok, i'll go upload it
[02:03] <jbailey> MistaED: Cool, Lemme know when you've got a chroot going I need to see what initrd is actually doing.
[02:04] <Simira> Shufla: I see what you mean. But I am dependent on using different email adresses, especially with my increasing amount of hats.
[02:04] <kestas2> are you a hat salesman or something?
[02:05] <Shufla> Simira: that was general cluse i did not observed your conversation.
[02:05] <Shufla> ooooops! W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/readahead/readahead_1.0.1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[02:05] <Shufla>   404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[02:05] <Shufla> with fresh hoary sources...
[02:05] <erlendaa> why isn't Ubuntu released with LAMP installed like all other distros?
[02:05] <bob2> Shufla: time to update
[02:05] <Shufla> bob2: right now updated.
[02:06] <bob2> erlendaa: that would be silly.  if you want it, it's one command away.
[02:06] <fsapo> hi all.. anyone knows if there is a way to install the openoffice-base in ubuntu? its not in the reps :(
[02:06] <bob2> Shufla: you ran "sudo apt-get update" in the past ten minutes?
[02:06] <Shufla> bob2: p[ast 10 seconds...
[02:06] <fsapo> openoffice-base is a "access" like app
[02:06] <erlendaa> bob2: I know, and I've done it... no problem, just why...? :)
[02:07] <MistaED> actually, my old initrd is overwritten now with the one which works
[02:07] <bob2> erlendaa: not useful for a desktop, trivial to install on a server, and it would mean leaving potentially exploitable things listening by default
[02:07] <jbailey> MistaED: What did you change to make it work:?
[02:08] <erlendaa> bob2: well, that sounds right I guess
[02:08] <MistaED> jbailey: fabbione & Mithrandir took the image and changed it so it would look to the /lib64
[02:08] <MistaED> *link
[02:08] <MistaED> i think one of them sent it to you
[02:09] <Shufla> bob2: should I wait some time for that package to appear?
[02:09] <bob2> Shufla: the package files shouldn't be out of sync with what's in the archive itself
[02:09] <Shufla> it's dependency for ubuntu-desktop, which i'm installing right now in 32bit chroot
[02:10] <Shufla> bob2: it is...
[02:10] <bob2> ok!
[02:10] <jbailey> Err.. /lib64?
[02:10] <jbailey> Aren't you on amd64?
[02:10] <MistaED> yeah i am on amd64
[02:11] <ray__> hi. It's my first time in irc
[02:11] <ray__> how i search a channel here?
[02:11] <kestas2> ray__: go to freenode's website I guess
[02:11] <Shufla> huh. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/readahead/ is not avaiable...
[02:12] <bob2> it doesn't exist
[02:12] <littleworm> how do i open grub? :O
[02:12] <littleworm> or config it?
[02:12] <Seveas> ray__, in xchat go to the menu window -> channel list
[02:12] <ray__> i want to search mono hispano channel but i have not idea if this server is the correct one
[02:12] <Shufla> indeed. and readahead package is optional for task ubuntu-desktop...
[02:13] <ray__> thank you seveas
[02:13] <Shufla> from main.
[02:13] <bob2> indeed
[02:13] <fsapo> any programers here could help me? :(
[02:13] <bob2> fsapo: you didn't ask a programming-related question
[02:13] <Seveas> fsapo, if you state your problem :)
[02:14] <fsapo> i need a simple thing.. but cant find it!
[02:14] <Shufla> fsapo: ask?
[02:14] <littleworm> how do i open grub? :O
[02:14] <littleworm> how do i open grub? :O
[02:14] <thoreauputic> littleworm: wrong question
[02:14] <fsapo> i need an app to make a "database design" with the tables.. fileds and that bla bla bla
[02:14] <littleworm> config grub?
[02:14] <MistaED> jbailey: hang on i dug up the initrd file, i'll upload it to bugzilla now
[02:15] <bob2> fsapo: dia's great for designing databases
[02:15] <jbailey> MistaED: Thanks.
[02:15] <fsapo> i ve found openoffice-base (access like) but it is not in the ubuntu reps..
[02:15] <bob2> yes, it requires non-free java gunk
[02:15] <Shufla> fsapo: and you may try 'druid' (in java) which i prefer.
[02:15] <fsapo> bob2, dia? isnt just for diagrams? i need the filds.. relations... etc
[02:15] <Fish-Face> Grr @ slashdot
[02:15] <Fish-Face> After a while of running, "mozilla-firefox -remote <anything>" returns "Error: no running window" and exits status 2. When it first starts, -remote commands work normally
[02:15] <fsapo> Shufla, hum... i try searching for it
[02:15] <konrad> Hi, is it possible to set up national diactrs using UTF in 'mc" (and other)?
[02:15] <littleworm> how do i config grub?
[02:15] <bob2> fsapo: it is for diagrams
[02:15] <konrad> I am using PL-UTF-8
[02:15] <Seveas> fsapo, designing means drawing
[02:15] <Shufla> fsapo: and install java as in http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142
[02:16] <Seveas> implementing means needing a database program...
[02:16] <Shufla> fsapo: http://druid.sourceforge.net/
[02:17] <thoreauputic> littleworm: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[02:17] <Seveas> littleworm, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:17] <Xappe> littleworm: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30341.html
[02:17] <Shufla> bob2: should i report problem with repo somewhere?
[02:17] <bob2> Shufla: I have
[02:18] <Shufla> bob2: ?
[02:19] <fsapo> Shufla, thanx.. i m downloading ^^
[02:19] <brap> I've got a problem that's driving me crazy
[02:19] <tortoise_> n #xorg
[02:20] <brap> I'm trying to install Hoary on a centrino laptop and the install goes fine but after the first reboot when it sets up the packages it hangs on setting up xserver-xorg, does anyone have any ideas?
[02:20] <Mez> nvidia card?
[02:20] <Mez> and how long have you left it for?
[02:20] <brap> Mez: Intel Extreme
[02:20] <Mez> try hitting ctrl + c
[02:20] <brap> Mez: I've left it for like 20 minutes
[02:21] <Mez> that should hpopefulyl just skip xserver-xorg and let you setit up manually later
[02:21] <jbailey> MistaED: Still there?
[02:21] <brap> Mez: lemme try thatr
[02:21] <brap> Mez: ctrl c doesnt do anything still just sitting there
[02:21] <Mez> weird.... *shrugs*
[02:22] <Mez> this the first ry?
[02:22] <Mez> try ?
[02:22] <MistaED> jbailey: yeah, i couldn't upload it because it's 4.3mb and the bugzilla has a 1mb limit, comressing it makes it 2.2mb
[02:22] <brap> Mez: No this is about the 50th try lol
[02:22] <jbailey> MistaED: Ah bugger, oh well.
[02:22] <Mez> hit alt +f2 and login to there
[02:22] <Mez> then type sudo -i
[02:22] <Mez> then type ps x
[02:22] <jbailey> MistaED: Let's get a log of what it thinks it's doing.
[02:22] <Mez> andlook for something like dpkg
[02:22] <jbailey> MistaED: Can you paste me the output of uname -a ?
[02:22] <Mez> and copy that here
[02:23] <brap> Mez: alt f2 wont go to the other term either
[02:23] <Mez> what happens if you reboot (wihtout the CD in)
[02:23] <brap> It's like it just hangs
[02:23] <brap> It'll seg fault on acpi
[02:23] <Mez> ok
[02:23] <Mez> then
[02:23] <Mez> reinstall
[02:23] <Mez> but...
[02:23] <Mez> when it brings up the boot menu
[02:23] <brap> even though I did pci=acpi off or whatever
[02:23] <Mez> tpye "sderver"
[02:23] <Mez> server
[02:23] <brap> k
[02:23] <Mez> and then run that install
[02:23] <Mez> that will do a minimal/custom install
[02:24] <brap> lemme give that a go
[02:24] <Shufla> fsapo: with druid and jdbc you can import/export db to that tool. it's really nice, some computer studies projects have been made by my friends with druid :D
[02:24] <Mez> so at least you'll have a non-X system to try and work with
[02:24] <Mez> then you cna try and install it and at least ahve some sort of term to work with
[02:24] <brap> Mez: true didnt think of that
[02:24] <Mez> ;)
[02:25] <MistaED> jbailey: a chroot of it? atm i'm running it with the fixed initrd
[02:26] <jbailey> MistaED: However we get into it. =)
[02:26] <yonil> I have a question regarding thunderbird -- can i create a folder and make all mail from someone go automaticaly to that folder?
[02:27] <Shufla> yonil: yes, use filtering.
[02:28] <yonil> Shufla, cool thanks :)
[02:29] <Shufla> yonil: btw rmb on email and 'create filter' option...
[02:30] <Shufla> well. if some1 would sponsored me i might consider writing some manuals for desktop apps :> (in my native language for now ;) )
[02:31] <mgcross> hi all
[02:31] <AsAs> tulog ata mga tao?
[02:31] <AsAs> hi mg
[02:32] <Shufla> what is .ph?
[02:32] <mgcross> I see that there's an update to the kernel available 2.6.10-34-1...
[02:33] <mgcross> will I foul up my nvidia drivcers if I install the update?
[02:33] <Shufla> ah, i know :>
[02:33] <dcraven> You think I'd get sued if I called my software project "Newton" and had an apple for a logo? heh
[02:33] <mgcross> no takers?
[02:34] <dcraven> mgcross: Probably.
[02:34] <thoreauputic> dcraven: call it Leibnitz and use a banana ;)
[02:34] <Shufla> dcraven: in europe i do not think so :>
[02:34] <Seveas> mgcross, only if you installed them manually instead of using linux-restricted-modules
[02:34] <dcraven> Maybe I'm safe in Canada.
[02:34] <mgcross> hmmm...so I'll need to wait for the restricted modules?
[02:34] <Shufla> heh. i'd like to move to some nice island. on pacific...
[02:34] <booman> Mez: Ok that got me into the system from the server install, now whats the course of action?
[02:35] <mgcross> woo, thanks Seveas
[02:36] <dcraven> thoreauputic: Good idea. haha
[02:38] <root_____> xorg in breezy seems to be broken now...isnt'it?
[02:38] <dcraven> root_____: Yes.
[02:38] <booman> Mez: Ok that got me into the system from the server install, now whats the course of action?
[02:38] <nanomad> any solutions?
[02:39] <Mez> apt-get install xserver-xorg
[02:39] <nanomad> Mez: ?? its already installer
[02:39] <nanomad> *installed
[02:39] <thoreauputic> nanomad: no, this is a bare bones server install
[02:39] <dcraven> nanomad: He was talkin' to booman I think.
[02:40] <dcraven> nanomad: Your solution is to avoid breezy for the time being..
[02:40] <dcraven> :)
[02:40] <nanomad> dcraven: yeah...i see
[02:40] <nanomad> dcraven: i will wait....np
[02:40] <booman> Mez: Should I grab it from the install cd or....
[02:40] <GeckoGeek> hey
[02:40] <dcraven> nanomad: Your system is broken right now?
[02:40] <Mez> preferably online ;)
[02:40] <booman> Mez: k
[02:41] <Mez> seeing as from teh install CD seems to be c**cking up
[02:41] <GeckoGeek> how do i get ubuntu to run sax....( sorry i am a newb to it)
[02:41] <nanomad> dcraven: yes
[02:41] <zubuntu> hi folks :)
[02:41] <tch_well_tch_rt> Good Morning!
[02:41] <nanomad> hi
[02:41] <Seveas> GeckoGeek, what is sax?
[02:41] <dcraven> GeckoGeek: As in an XML parser?
[02:42] <Ubuntian> anyone knows how i can setup the gtk locale in french? or install it?
[02:42] <zubuntu> is there a page in the web wher i can find a list of all the soft included in kubuntu?
[02:42] <booman> Mez: apt only has the cd listed for an apt source I think
[02:42] <nanomad> dcraven: bugzilla says it was solved...
[02:42] <Seveas> Ubuntian, install language-support-fr
[02:42] <GeckoGeek> ummm not sure....like video card, monitor setup...
[02:42] <Ubuntian> Seveas, u're the man!
[02:42] <Seveas> ah you mean a setup tool
[02:42] <dcraven> nanomad: I dunno if it will work, but I'd try changing my apt sources back to hoary and reinstalling xorg. Or applying the fix in that bug. Dunno if either will work.
[02:42] <Seveas> GeckoGeek, ubuntu has no sax
[02:43] <booman> Mez: nm hashed it out
[02:43] <GeckoGeek> ohh okay sozs...
[02:43] <Seveas> ubuntu has the system->preferences and system->sdministration menu
[02:43] <GeckoGeek> what tool helps me setup those things...
[02:43] <Mez> howd you get it working booman ?
[02:43] <Seveas> GeckoGeek, the menus :)
[02:43] <zubuntu> so...?
[02:43] <Shufla> GeckoGeek: sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:43] <Seveas> zubuntu, packages.ubuntu.com
[02:43] <nanomad> dcraven: will try
[02:44] <Shufla> tfu
[02:44] <Shufla> dpkg-reconfigure
[02:44] <booman> Mez: Just hashed out the cd apt from sources.list so it's d/ling it
[02:44] <dcraven> Ubuntian: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:44] <zubuntu> thanks seveas
[02:44] <GeckoGeek> Shufla, that didnt work...
[02:44] <aclosson> hi
[02:44] <Mez> so now you've got it working?
[02:44] <Shufla> GeckoGeek: dpkg-reconfigure
[02:44] <zubuntu> the 5.04 is horay, isn't it?
[02:44] <booman> Mez: no, still d/ling x :]
[02:44] <hac> Why when I run sudo I get  "must be setuid root".I have a recompiled kernel
[02:44] <zubuntu> what's freezy?
[02:44] <Seveas> zubuntu, yes
[02:45] <Mez> ah lol
[02:45] <snader> freezy :)
[02:45] <Seveas> breezy will be the next version
[02:45] <zubuntu> :)
[02:45] <dcraven> zubuntu: I think breezy is 5.10 no?
[02:45] <dark> it is
[02:45] <zubuntu> maybe yes
[02:45] <Seveas> dcraven, correct
[02:45] <Shufla> breezy
[02:45] <zubuntu> or say 5.05 :)
[02:45] <Seveas> zubuntu, no
[02:45] <Seveas> the version numbers are time related
[02:45] <dcraven> zubuntu: See the topic about using breezy :)
[02:46] <zubuntu> why not? it's all about changes
[02:46] <zubuntu> and releases :)
[02:46] <Seveas> it will be released in october 2005, so 5.10
[02:46] <zubuntu> but oup, it's on a 6 months basis
[02:46] <zubuntu> that's true sorry :)
[02:46] <dcraven> Seveas: Good one. I didn't see the pattern.
[02:46] <Elfir3> since i've updated to hoary, i have version problems with x (nvidia), version are not right even if i downloaded the last ones
[02:47] <Elfir3> Api missmatch he said ...
[02:47] <zubuntu> u mean that with the current version of X transparency is well hold?
[02:48] <Elfir3> no
[02:48] <zubuntu> ok :(
[02:49] <Elfir3> cant run x :)
[02:49] <zubuntu> is kdevelop included by default in the kubuntu cd?
[02:50] <Elfir3> are you talking to me ?
[02:50] <zubuntu> it was a question :)
[02:50] <Riddell> zubuntu: it's not (neither ubuntu not kubuntu has space on 1 CD for many developers tools) but you can easily install it
[02:50] <Elfir3> lol
[02:51] <zubuntu> easily...
[02:51] <zubuntu> I should download it and build it from sources :'(
[02:51] <zubuntu> God, how I hate that
[02:51] <zubuntu> it takes me the whole nite
[02:51] <thoreauputic> zubuntu: why would you do that to yourself?
[02:52] <Seveas> zubuntu, you can install it from the repositories
[02:52] <Seveas> zubuntu, then download the .deb files and install these
[02:52] <Ubuntian> dcraven, thanks
[02:52] <zubuntu> Seveas, yes but what if my box is at home and i do not have internet @ home?
[02:52] <Seveas> well, how would you install from sources then?
[02:52] <zubuntu> .deb fileS (they are many?)
[02:53] <zubuntu> download a single tar.gz
[02:53] <zubuntu> and build as usual
[02:53] <Choubaka> just download the debs and transfer them on a CD
[02:53] <Choubaka> .)
[02:53] <Elfir3> zubuntu : use apt-get install
[02:53] <Seveas> zubuntu, it's 2 debs
[02:53] <zubuntu> download it, put it in my flashdisk bring it to home...
[02:53] <Seveas> Elfir3, please read before talking
[02:53] <Elfir3> yes.. :)
[02:54] <Seveas> zubuntu, you need the kdevelop and kdevelop-data debfiles
[02:54] <zubuntu> only 2? soopa soopa lovely kubuntu!!
[02:54] <Riddell> zubuntu: actually it's kdevelop3
[02:54] <Riddell> kdevelop package is kdevelop 2, I plan to change that
[02:54] <zubuntu> so what?
[02:54] <zubuntu> not kdevelopp3.2?
[02:54] <Seveas> zubuntu, this is the complete dependency list:
[02:54] <Seveas>   automake1.6 kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4 kdevelop-data libarts1
[02:54] <Seveas>   libnetpbm10 libopenexr2 menu-xdg netpbm
[02:54] <Seveas> but i don't know which of these are on the CD
[02:55] <zubuntu> so i should download all that?
[02:55] <zubuntu> sigh :'(
[02:55] <Seveas> well, the kdelibs- debs should be on the cd :)
[02:55] <zubuntu> ouf!
[02:55] <Seveas> libarts1 is also on the cd
[02:55] <zubuntu> yeah!
[02:55] <dcraven> zubuntu: You in Ubuntu now?
[02:56] <Seveas> zubuntu, automake1.6 is NOT on the cd
[02:56] <zubuntu> actually i'm on mdk
[02:56] <s_yuan31tee> hi, anyone noe where I can get scim-chinese for warty?
[02:56] <Seveas> zubuntu, libnrtpbm IS on the cd
[02:56] <zubuntu> but i'm waiting for my sister to bring me the kubuntu cd this evening
[02:56] <Seveas> zubuntu, libopenexr2 IS on the CD
[02:56] <zubuntu> automake1.6? i used to use automake1.9
[02:57] <Seveas> zubuntu, menu-xdg IS on the cd
[02:57] <zubuntu> soopa!
[02:57] <Seveas> zubuntu, kdevelop somehow needs automake 1.6
[02:57] <zubuntu> !
[02:57] <Seveas> zubuntu, netpbm IS on the cd
[02:57] <Seveas> so you would need onle kdevelop-data, kdevelop and automake1.6
[02:57] <zubuntu> thanks :)
[02:57] <Seveas> that's not too much :)
[02:58] <zubuntu> only?
[02:58] <Seveas> yeah only, i can't spell :)
[02:58] <zubuntu> oh sure
[02:58] <zubuntu> O-N-L-Y :)
[02:58] <dcraven> zubuntu: Here are a list of deps for kdevelop3. http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/kde/kdevelop3
[02:59] <Seveas> dcraven, we figured it out already ;)
[02:59] <dcraven> Seveas: I'm a little slow.
[02:59] <zubuntu> :)
[02:59] <booman> Mez: ok it installed
[02:59] <zubuntu> But i'm seeing an old version :(
[02:59] <Seveas> hmm, kdevelop3 needs automake1.4
[02:59] <Seveas> so i guess kdevelop3 is older than kdevelop
[02:59] <zubuntu> kdevelop_<IP_ADDRESS>-7_i386.deb, don't tell me that 2.1.5 is the version ! :'(
[03:00] <zubuntu> the currect version is 3.2
[03:00] <Seveas> eh narf
[03:00] <zubuntu> the stable one
[03:00] <Seveas> zubuntu, that one is in /pool/universe/
[03:00] <Seveas> zubuntu, and it can be used with automake1.9 too
[03:01] <zubuntu> :) yay! i love that!
[03:01] <Seveas> automake | automake1.9 | automake1.7
[03:01] <zubuntu> so no need to build:)
[03:01] <Seveas> indeed :)
[03:01] <zubuntu> i used to build the whole kde with mdk10.0
[03:01] <Seveas> just 3 debfiles
[03:01] <mathmatt> i need to create a partition for winxp.  I believe i need to resize /root first.  How do I do this and how do I make the new partition?
[03:01] <Seveas> mathmatt, you can only do that from a livecd
[03:02] <shovel> question from ubuntu newbie: whats up with sudo and su... if I do 'sudo command' and it asks me for the pword it works, if I do 'su' or 'su -' it doesn't accept the same password
[03:02] <Seveas> you cannot resize mounted partitions
[03:02] <mathmatt> yes i understand
[03:02] <Seveas> shovel, su wants a root password
[03:02] <Seveas> and there is no root password on ubuntu
[03:02] <shovel> so does sudo
[03:02] <Seveas> shovel, no
[03:02] <shovel> ?
[03:02] <Seveas> sudo wants YOUR password
[03:02] <shovel> ohh oops
[03:02] <thoreauputic> mathmatt: you mean / not /root I assume
[03:02] <Seveas> shovel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:02] <zubuntu> mathmatt, i used to do that with a windoz soft partitionmagic but it seems that there's a similar and really working soft under nix :)
[03:03] <shovel> thanks seveas
[03:03] <mathmatt> shovel, i have a live cd, how do i do it then?
[03:03] <Seveas> shovel, to get a root shell: sudo -i
[03:03] <Seveas> or sudo su -
[03:03] <cafuego_> 'sudo bash' works fine too.
[03:03] <shovel> thanks Seveas
[03:04] <Seveas> cafuego_, that's an icky one
[03:04] <Seveas> only sudo -i and sudo su - make it a login shell
[03:04] <Seveas> so sudo bash can create nastyness :)
[03:04] <cafuego_> ha, sudo bash in 'screen' and then remove the shell from wtmp!
[03:05] <cafuego_> @info bash breezy
[03:05] <ubotu> bash: (The GNU Bourne Again SHell), section base, is required. Version: 3.0-14ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 686 kB, Installed size: 1688 kB
[03:05] <zubuntu> is /pool/universe/k/kdevelop3/kdevelop3_3.2.0.orig.tar.gz sources or packaged .debs?
[03:05] <Seveas> cafuego_, does that bot have some sort of help command that works in a query?
[03:05] <cafuego_> zubuntu: source tarball
[03:05] <Seveas> zubuntu, that is sources
[03:06] <JaffaCAk1> I'm thinking of installing xp on my other driver later. I'm guessing this might cause some problems with grub. How can I get it to dual boot ok?
[03:06] <cafuego_> Seveas: Anything it can do it can do via query as well.
[03:06] <s_yuan31tee> hi, anyone noe where I can get scim-chinese for warty?
[03:06] <zubuntu> ok :) got to run away from 'em then :)
[03:06] <Seveas> JaffaCAk1, either use the XP bootloader or re-install grub from a livecd
[03:06] <JaffaCAk1> the xp one will boot ubuntu ok?
[03:06] <cafuego_> Seveas: try /m ubotu help  (it's a clone of thr #debian bots, with an ubuntu package file backend)
[03:07] <JaffaCAk1> note that ubuntu is on my secondary drive atm and xp will be going on my primary
[03:07] <Seveas> where is something
[03:07] <Seveas> ah ok, it does not respond to that in a channel :)
[03:07] <mathmatt> how do i resize the / partition?
[03:07] <Burgundavia> cafuego_, is that your bot?
[03:07] <cafuego_> Burgundavia: yes
[03:08] <Elfir3> hi, when i upgraded to hoary, I told him to keep the xfree86 config file, now it doesnt want to start. How can I get back and get the new config file ?
[03:08] <Burgundavia> cafuego_, can you join #ubuntu-doc
[03:08] <cafuego_> Burgundavia: Can I or can I make it join?
[03:08] <shovel> Seveas: Read the wiki thanks for that, makes sense now....
[03:08] <zubuntu> can you give me the serial number of winzip or a hacked version of it?
[03:08] <zubuntu> just kidding!!!!
[03:08] <zubuntu> i swear :)
[03:08] <Burgundavia> cafuego_, join #ubuntu-doc
[03:09] <tch_well_tch_rt> Jaffa rip the first 512 bytes from the second drive ( dd=\ if of=\) create a boot.lnx file move it to the windows system and edit the boot.ini
[03:10] <novaflare> wait you made a bot that answers questions useing the docs?
[03:10] <cafuego_> no, just the package lists.
[03:10] <cafuego_> i just slightly modified an exisitn g bot
[03:10] <novaflare> ahh ok
[03:10] <Elfir3> no1 can help me ?
[03:11] <novaflare> was gona say damn that was loads of typing heh
[03:11] <zubuntu> Seveas, i just found kdevelop3_3.2.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb where kdevelop-data?
[03:11] <JaffaCAk1> how do I get the first 512 bytes?
[03:11] <tch_well_tch_rt>  Jaffa http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/0/96ed97b0093f9fb44a2568c60036ca4e?OpenDocument using windows to boot linux
[03:11] <thoreauputic> Elfir3: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:11] <Seveas> Filename: pool/universe/k/kdevelop3/kdevelop3-data_3.2.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[03:11] <zubuntu> Elfir3, maybe it's a font problem, u know?
[03:11] <JaffaCAk1> thanks
[03:11] <tch_well_tch_rt> NP
[03:12] <Elfir3> zubuntu no... nvidia :)
[03:12] <Elfir3> thoreauputic not installed...
[03:12] <Elfir3> i did it with xserver-xfree, but still the same problem
[03:13] <Elfir3> and when I want to install xorg, it told me he cannot auth the package
[03:13] <zubuntu> Seveas, where? i didn't find it :(
[03:14] <Seveas> according to apt it is at  http://archive.ubuntu.com/pool/universe/k/kdevelop3/kdevelop3-data_3.2.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[03:14] <kynes> I installed RealPlayer 10
[03:14] <kynes> but it doesn't work
[03:14] <Seveas> according to apt it is at  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kdevelop3/kdevelop3-data_3.2.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[03:14] <kynes> what can I do now?
[03:14] <Seveas> zubuntu, and that link works :)
[03:15] <zubuntu> i'm trying :)
[03:15] <thoreauputic> kynes: read the section about realplay at http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:15] <zubuntu> because i was under artfiles.com
[03:16] <Mez> eek
[03:16] <Mez> whast one of the best linux wysiwyg html edtors?
[03:16] <kynes> okay thanks
[03:16] <Xappe> Mez: NVU maybe?
[03:16] <Mez> nvu ?
[03:16] <Mez> I'm just looking for somthing comparable to dreamweaver ;)
[03:17] <kynes> thoreauputic: but how can I remove realplayer I installed?
[03:17] <tch_well_tch_rt> kynes - are you using gnome "Ubuntu" or KDE "Kubuntu"?
[03:17] <kynes> thoreauputic: Ubuntu it is
[03:17] <kynes> gnome
[03:17] <zubuntu> Seveas, yes it works fine :) thanks
[03:17] <Xappe> Mez, http://www.nvu.com/
[03:17] <kynes> thoreauputic: I mean the symbolic links..
[03:17] <Mez> yeah was just looking
[03:17] <zubuntu> it's 2.11 megs and it takes me at least 5 minutes!!!
[03:17] <tch_well_tch_rt> Does anyone think kynes problem is related to esd?
[03:17] <kynes> thoreauputic: will it be enough to install with the method from ubuntuguide
[03:18] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, very well possible
[03:18] <kynes> tch: realplayer doesn't even come up GUI
[03:18] <kynes> tch: executable just works there.. background
[03:19] <Mez> ah not in pat
[03:19] <Mez> but there's an ubuntu version
[03:20] <mathmatt> how do i resize the / partition and create a windows partition?
[03:20] <Seveas> mathmatt, boot from a livecd and use gparted/qtparted
[03:21] <zubuntu> yes! qtparted!! that's what i meant when i spoke about partitionmagic
[03:22] <tch_well_tch_rt> mathmatt - you can use qtparted or gparted to resize a partition. installing windows  will corrupt your linux install.
[03:22] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, that is not true
[03:22] <richard> I just installed Ubuntu (used debian before), when i was in the partioning setup, i choiced /dev/sda1 to mount as /home , this was al going well, but now when I boot Ubuntu, it says it can't find /dev/sda1 , it seems like it doesnt load any drivers for SATA. Any idea?
[03:22] <Seveas> richard, maybe you should add the sata modules to /etc/modules (or even the initrd)
[03:23] <tch_well_tch_rt> Installing windows on the same disk as linux if you don't install windows first will be a problem.
[03:23] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, it will not
[03:23] <richard> Will have a look at that Seveas
[03:23] <zubuntu> yes, it will not
[03:23] <Seveas> you will just need to re-install grub
[03:23] <zubuntu> the formats are not the same!
[03:23] <CarlK> mathmatt - I just got here - are you trying to build a dual boot box?
[03:24] <tch_well_tch_rt> Seveas - ? - How do you install windows after you install linux on the same drive?
[03:25] <s_yuan31tee> hello, may i know in current linux, most of the binary are in elf or aout format??
[03:25] <CarlK> or.. Ill just post what I think all dual booters need to know: the Ubuntu setup lets you resize NTFS partitions
[03:25] <zubuntu> mathmatt, i guess you're a newbie so like seveas proposed use qtparted or if you're familiar with zindowz use partitionmagic and forget about it after ;)
[03:25] <mjr> s_yuan31tee, elf
[03:25] <mjr> s_yuan31tee, probably about nothing uses a.out anymore
[03:25] <rumanzini> Hi all, I have a problem with my dvd-recorder, it is detected six times! i. e. while booting, it appears this six times first:
[03:25] <rumanzini> Vendor: TOSHIBA   Model: DVD-ROM SD-R6112  Rev: 1032
[03:25] <rumanzini>   Type:   CD-ROM
[03:25] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, if it is XP: no problem at all, if not: use grub to hide/map drives/partitions
[03:25] <rumanzini> then this:
[03:25] <s_yuan31tee> hello, may i know in current linux, most of the binary are in elf or aout format??
[03:25] <rumanzini> Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[03:25] <rumanzini> sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 24x/24x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
[03:25] <Seveas> CarlK, yes
[03:25] <rumanzini> changing sr1 for sr2, sr3 and so on
[03:26] <mathmatt> CarlK, I am adding windows to a Linux box
[03:26] <CarlK> rumanzini - please don't pastes multiple lines
[03:26] <s_yuan31tee> soli
[03:26] <tch_well_tch_rt> Yes - update-grub command will put things right.
[03:26] <s_yuan31tee> just nw i lost all my message
[03:26] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, it won't
[03:26] <s_yuan31tee> please pardon me for asking again the same question
[03:26] <s_yuan31tee> hello, may i know in current linux, most of the binary are in elf or aout format??
[03:26] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, *please* do not confuse newbies with incorrect information
[03:26] <CarlK> mathmatt - you can add win to linux, but it is "harder"
[03:26] <Seveas> s_yuan31tee, elf
[03:26] <richard> Seveas, if i load module sata_via and then mount it, it works. Added the module to /etc/modules and will try to reboot, thanks alot
[03:26] <tch_well_tch_rt> What am i missing?
[03:26] <Seveas> almost no one uses a.out
[03:26] <rumanzini> ok CarlK, sorry
[03:27] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, update-grub is for updating menu.lst after installing a new kernel package
[03:27] <tch_well_tch_rt> then teach me too.
[03:27] <s_yuan31tee> Seveas: how come when i use nasm to assemble the source code to aout format and link again with gcc, it still run?
[03:27] <pfp> rumanzini: you probably have 'probe all LUNs' set in kernel's scsi cnf
[03:27] <mathmatt> CarlK, I think i need to use a Live CD, resize / and then create a NTFS partition for windows in the free space
[03:27] <mathmatt> CarlK, Does that sound reasonable?
[03:27] <Seveas> s_yuan31tee, linux can still use a.out binaries
[03:27] <jcantero> hola, alguien en espaol
[03:27] <rumanzini> thank you pfp, do you know how I can change this?
[03:27] <Seveas> jcantero, #ubuntu-es
[03:27] <tch_well_tch_rt> doesn't update-grub also rewrite the boot sector also?
[03:28] <CarlK> mathmatt - the win install will let you create the NTFS partiton, so you just need to free up space
[03:28] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, no
[03:28] <Elfir3> mathmatt: i think it is
[03:28] <^rob> heya all, if you have a machine with two heads, should the second head be solid white when not in use?
[03:28] <pfp> rumanzini: compile a new kernel :) or grep/google if there's a boot-time option for it
[03:28] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, see man update-grub
[03:28] <mathmatt> CarlK, OK and I plan to use parted -> resize
[03:29] <CarlK> mathmatt - and like someone said, win install will replace grub with a win only loader, but it is easy enough to put grub back and have it  boot both
[03:29] <zubuntu> what people if we search for a kubuntu sponsor? I mean we can do that all together
[03:30] <Seveas> zubuntu, kubuntu is sponsored by Canonical
[03:30] <zubuntu> then kubuntu will be available for free like ubuntu, coz' not everybody has broadband
[03:30] <Amaranth> no, kubuntu CDs won't be made
[03:30] <zubuntu> yes i know, but i mean gether help and money for kubuntu cds
[03:30] <Amaranth> oh
[03:30] <rumanzini> the problem is that k3b freezes while trying a cd or dvd burning, and I thought that it could be because of this multiple detection
[03:30] <mathmatt> CarlK, Thanks, I think I can handle the grub stuff
[03:30] <zubuntu> Amaranth> why not?
[03:31] <Amaranth> zubuntu: it costs too much, but you said you were trying to raise money
[03:31] <pfp> rumanzini: is your drive ide or scsi?
[03:31] <Amaranth> zubuntu: so if you can get $1,000,000 it could happen ;)
[03:31] <rumanzini> I don't know it, sorry
[03:31] <zubuntu> Amaranth, ubuntu was shipped for free
[03:31] <Amaranth> zubuntu: yes, ubuntu gets shipped for free
[03:31] <zubuntu> Amaranth, not ME, WE :)
[03:32] <zubuntu> I haven't that money but i can help with a website and some viral marketing techniques... anyway, i'll do what i can :)
[03:32] <rumanzini> I don't know the difference between ide or scsi device, but 'dmesg' says this:
[03:32] <rumanzini> scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
[03:32] <rumanzini> maybe it is an ide device
[03:33] <pfp> rumanzini: yes, you have an ide drive and linux uses scasi emulation for it. what's your kernel version? ('uname -r')
[03:33] <rumanzini> 2.6.10-1-k7
[03:34] <pfp> hmm, you shouldn't be using ide-scsi emulation at all AFAIK
[03:35] <rumanzini> it is a kernel-image deb package that I installed
[03:35] <zubuntu> what does AFAIK means? (english is the 4th language i learned. sorry)
[03:35] <pfp> hmm...
[03:35] <^rob> zubuntu: as far as I know
[03:35] <MrErnest> question: I just downloaded ubuntu-5.04-install-i386, and I have 2 hard drives, one with linux file system (linux ext3) how do I make an install cd to install linux on my 2 hard drive?
[03:35] <zubuntu> ok :) thanks
[03:36] <pfp> rumanzini: hmm, was the kernel-image-xxx or linux-image-xxx
[03:37] <rumanzini> kernel-image
[03:37] <Seveas> MrErnest, the installer will ask you where it should install linux
[03:37] <MrErnest> well, but how do i start the install?
[03:37] <zubuntu> btw, i'm on mdk10.0 will migrating to kubuntu give me headaches? I worry about all the work in my box. apache, mysql, webapps...
[03:37] <Seveas> MrErnest, boot from the install CD
[03:37] <pfp> rumanzini: strange, ubuntu names them linux-image-xxx, kernel* are from Debian
[03:37] <IIIEars> << Back - Doh!
[03:37] <MrErnest> i dont have a cd, i downloaded and unzipped the program
[03:37] <rumanzini> I'm using knoppix linux installed on hard disk, I came here because in debian channels nobody knew how help me
[03:38] <pfp> ach... ok
[03:38] <Seveas> MrErnest, you must download the .iso file and burn that to cd
[03:38] <MrErnest> so the zipped program is on my main hard drive, witch i use win xp on
[03:38] <MrErnest> but i thought the iso file was on the package? i downloaded
[03:38] <Seveas> MrErnest, what exactly did you download?
[03:38] <pfp> rumanzini: try to disable the ide-scsi module, if it is a module on your system
[03:39] <MrErnest> ubuntu-5.04-install-i386
[03:39] <rumanzini> ok, I'm going to try it
[03:39] <pfp> rumanzini: 'modprobe -r' ide-scsi and remove the line from /etc/modules
[03:39] <CarlK> MrErnest -  ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso ?
[03:39] <Seveas> MrErnest, that is one file with extension .iso right?
[03:39] <MrErnest> yes
[03:39] <MrErnest> sais iso in the end there
[03:39] <pfp> after that linux should see your drive as an IDE device
[03:39] <Seveas> MrErnest, burn that to cd
[03:39] <MrErnest> hm, no it does not say iso in the end
[03:40] <MrErnest> ill have to find the iso one....
[03:40] <Seveas> MrErnest, maybe you have set winxp to hide extensions
[03:40] <CarlK> MrErnest - are you looking at it in Windows ?
[03:40] <zubuntu> Seveas, i looked in pool/universe/a/ and i didn't find automake, where can i find it?
[03:40] <Seveas> MrErnest, is the file several hundreds of megabytes big?
[03:40] <Seveas> pool/main/a
[03:40] <MrErnest> yes it is seveas
[03:40] <Seveas> MrErnest, then it's the correct file
[03:41] <zubuntu> ok thanks seveas :)
[03:41] <Mez> no fair that nvu is in breezy
[03:41] <Seveas> you need to burn that file on a cd using the "Burn image" option of your cd burning program
[03:41] <MrErnest> ok, ill take a look
[03:41] <MrErnest> see what i can find out
[03:41] <MrErnest> ty for now :-)
[03:41] <rumanzini> modprobe -r ide-scsi says: Error removing ide-scsi [...] : Device or resource busy
[03:41] <Seveas> yw
[03:41] <Xappe> Mez: it's easy to install even without a .deb
[03:41] <Mez> I know
[03:41] <zubuntu> so automake1.9 is okay?
[03:41] <Mez> would be easier if it did have one though ;)
[03:41] <Seveas> rumanzini, add ide-scsi to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and reboot if you want it to be removed
[03:41] <Seveas> zubuntu, yes
[03:42] <zubuntu> again thanks and sorry for being that heavy :)
[03:42] <rumanzini> thank you very much pfp and Seveas, I'm gonna try it :)
[03:42] <Seveas> it's ok :)
[03:43] <IIIEars> MrErnest - isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm Will work if you are stuck using windows without Nero.
[03:44] <kynes> how can I remove realplayer?
[03:44] <zubuntu> Seveas, if u were a girl i'll marry you right now! no negociating, zerro speech, zerro equations: I'll maary you!
[03:44] <zubuntu> :)
[03:44] <IIIEars> lol
[03:44] <zubuntu> lol
[03:45] <Seveas> zubuntu, sorry, i'm a guy (and already engaged)
[03:45] <IIIEars> Seveas - If he asks for a pic you may be in trouble.
[03:45] <zubuntu> arrgh ! lol
[03:45] <zubuntu> so i'm asking for a pic
[03:45] <zubuntu> !!!
[03:45] <pfp> heh
[03:45] <martii> ;)
[03:45] <Seveas> IIIEars, nah, he'll just freak out: http://foto.kaarsemaker.net/Dennis
[03:45] <gaoxing>
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> wow, marriage proposals and all, it's all happenign
[03:46] <gaoxing>
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> gaoxing: english please
[03:46] <zubuntu> riding to see it !! :)
[03:46] <Seveas> gaoxing, we speak english in here
[03:46] <Seveas> there is #ubuntu-zh for chinese
[03:46] <gaoxing> My English is poor
[03:46] <zubuntu> yay man, it's kinda netherland or such...
[03:46] <zubuntu> mine too :)
[03:46] <Seveas> gaoxing, then go to #ubuntu-zh
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> gaoxing: yes but we can't help you at all in other languages
[03:47] <zubuntu> Seveas, coll brotha :)
[03:47] <zubuntu> http://cafefort.com/about.php
[03:47] <cmg_> anyone use rox-filer?
[03:47] <zubuntu> cool i mean :) my english is shity :p
[03:47] <gaoxing> good ,thanks
[03:48] <Seveas> cmg_, i use it sometimes
[03:50] <zubuntu> i bet there's no lady out here!!
[03:51] <cam_> what do i need to play midi files!?
[03:51] <zubuntu> a software, like amarok
[03:52] <zubuntu> you're on kde?
[03:52] <Seveas> cam_, you can try timifity
[03:52] <Seveas> timidity*
[03:52] <zubuntu> :)
[03:53] <cam_> ta
[03:53] <cam_> :)
[03:54] <gaoxing> ubuntu noboby
[03:54] <kanzen> Hi all. I was in here yesterday asking about trouble I was having installing ubuntu. I think I may have narrowed down the problem. Disk I/O (including the CDrom drive that I'm trying to install ubuntu from) seems to go crazy when I have a kernel that can see all 16GB of memory in the system. If I use a 32 bit kernel (this is a dual opteron) then everything works fine, unless I enable PAE. If I use a 64 bit kernel, then I can't insta
[03:54] <gaoxing> ubuntu_zg noboby
[03:55] <Seveas> gaoxing, then you have to try in english here
[03:55] <kanzen> Are there any guides for kernal tunables on a system with large memory?
[03:55] <gaoxing> good
[03:55] <Seveas> kanzen, no ubuntu specific ones i'm afraid
[03:56] <Seveas> kanzen, you might have a bit more luck finding a debian guide
[03:56] <gaoxing> I have to try in english
[03:57] <Seveas> gaoxing, you can try the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mailing list too
[03:57] <kanzen> seveas: thanks! I'll focus my search there. :)
[03:58] <zubuntu> Seveas, are you from netherland?
[03:58] <jeroen_> he is
[03:58] <Seveas> zubuntu, yes
[03:59] <zubuntu> i once had a girfriend from there, she told me it's mervelous
[03:59] <jeroen_> mmm.. apparently I was wrong :p
[03:59] <bob2> kanzen: I'd naively guess you had bad ram
[03:59] <bob2> kanzen: or your motherboard doesn't like the way it's arranged
[04:00] <jeroen_> which do you know, zubuntu
[04:00] <jeroen_> ?
[04:00] <zubuntu> kabyle, french, arabic, english and a few german too
[04:00] <lrnzcpmn> Does anybody know what's wrong with this pipeline:  audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! oggvorbis name=enc quality=0.5  I cannot make ogg files anymore with soundjuicer
[04:01] <jeroen_> what is kabyle?
[04:01] <zubuntu>  un pocco italiano to speak to girls with ;)
[04:01] <bob2> lrnzcpmn: you're better off asking a gstreamer channel or mailing list
[04:01] <zubuntu> kabyle? ever heared about berbers?
[04:01] <lrnzcpmn> oeps fisrt time you know
[04:01] <jeroen_> yes, I heard from berbers
[04:01] <zubuntu> you know ubuntu is african? berbers too :)
[04:01] <zubuntu> I am a berber then :)
[04:02] <jeroen_> South Africa != Berber :p
[04:02] <zubuntu> no? not at all :)
[04:02] <zubuntu> north africa
[04:02] <zubuntu> beyond the see :)
[04:02] <zubuntu> pfp, thanks :)
[04:03] <jeroen_> I can't find Kabyle in Wikipedia; it's shocking
[04:03] <cam_> im just getting no instrument messages with timidity
[04:03] <zubuntu> oh yes :(
[04:03] <raptoid> hi everydobyz
[04:03] <jeroen_> I know dutch+english+german+french+latin(only *from* latin)+greek(only *from* greek)
[04:03] <raptoid> raptoid@ubuntu:/etc/init.d$ sudo apt-get install vsftpd
[04:03] <raptoid> Reading package lists... Done
[04:03] <raptoid> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:03] <raptoid> You might want to run apt-get -f install to correct these:
[04:03] <raptoid> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:03] <raptoid>   proftpd: Depends: proftpd-common (= 1.2.10-8) but it is not going to be installed
[04:03] <raptoid>            Conflicts: ftp-server
[04:03] <raptoid>   vsftpd: Conflicts: ftp-server
[04:03] <raptoid> E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution).
[04:03] <raptoid> _
[04:04] <raptoid> ?
[04:04] <zubuntu> jeroen!! yay!! taht's great!
[04:04] <jeroen_> :)
[04:04] <Seveas> raptoid, for the 100th time DO NOT pate in here!!
[04:04] <raptoid> sorry Seveas
[04:04] <Seveas> you say that all the time
[04:04] <Seveas> when are you gonna learn?
[04:04] <zubuntu> hum...
[04:05] <wdh> raptoid, there are several nice pastebins on the web.. and then there is #flood..
[04:05] <Seveas> jeroen_, jij ook al gymnasium? :)
[04:05] <wdh> Seveas, BRRRR.. who would want to do that :)
[04:05] <Seveas> wdh, /me :)
[04:05] <jeroen_> Seveas, ja :)
[04:06] <wdh> Seveas, i really didnt care for the Greek and Latin..
[04:06] <IIIEars> raptoid check out. http://pastebin.com/  paste it there then add your link to it here.
[04:06] <Seveas> IIIEars, he has been told to do so several times already...
[04:06] <jeroen_> wdh, I don't care for the French *sigh*
[04:07] <IIIEars> Doh! (throws hands in the air..)
[04:12] <zoner_> do you guys know if windows xp works on qemu?
[04:12] <jeroen_> try the qemu website, zoner_
[04:12] <jeroen_> they'll know
[04:12] <zoner_> hehe
[04:12] <Seveas> zoner_, it has been reported to work
[04:12] <zoner_> k
[04:12] <raptoid> E: proftpd:  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 100
[04:12] <Elfir3> back...
[04:12] <raptoid> proftpd do not remove
[04:13] <raptoid> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:13] <zoner_> Seveas, thanx. I saw that on the website. I am not sure if I should trust that ;)
[04:13] <Seveas> zoner_, and what makes you trust me? :)
[04:13] <zoner_> lol
[04:13] <zoner_> Ah well. I guess I have to try for myself :)
[04:14] <IIIEars> vmware trial is another option
[04:15] <wdh> zoner_, i didnt get it to work, but it might be due to an indecent copy of the installation disk and/or a lack of memory
[04:15] <wdh> zoner_, win2k works like a charm though
[04:15] <wdh> and surely much faster :)
[04:15] <zoner_> wdh, hmm .. thanks
[04:16] <zoner_> maybe I should give win2k a go instead
[04:16] <zoner_> I also tend to write "has been reported to work" in some of my reports
[04:16] <zoner_> hehe
[04:19] <raptoid> Removing proftpd ...
[04:19] <raptoid> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/proftpd not found.
[04:19] <raptoid> dpkg: error processing proftpd (--remove):
[04:19] <raptoid>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 100
[04:19] <raptoid> dpkg: proftpd-common: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:
[04:19] <raptoid>  proftpd depends on proftpd-common (= 1.2.10-8).
[04:19] <raptoid> Removing proftpd-common ...
[04:19] <raptoid> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:19] <Seveas> raptoid, FOOL
[04:19] <raptoid>  proftpd
[04:19] <raptoid> off sorry
[04:19] <Seveas> raptoid, please leave...
[04:19] <wdh> raptoid, stfu
[04:19] <wdh> excuse my language
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: please read the coc
[04:20] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, i have and signed it too
[04:20] <Seveas> but this guy is just ridiculous
[04:21] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, over the past days, he flooded this channel several times
[04:21] <HrdwrBoB> I see what you mean .. probably he needs a bit more direction though
[04:21] <Seveas> and everytime he was told to use a pastebin
[04:21] <Seveas> WITH a complete url of the pastebin
[04:22] <wdh> zoner_, you might want to try kqemu as well
[04:23] <wdh> zoner_, an accelerator for qemu
[04:24] <jonathan_> hello I need some help with the installation of a wireless network PCMCIA cart
[04:24] <Elfir3> After upgrading to xorg, xserver still tels me that there's a version conflict between nvidia drivers and x.. what shall I do ?
[04:24] <jonathan_> the DWL-G650+ is found in ubuntu as a Texas Instruments card
[04:25] <jonathan_> this configuration does not work
[04:25] <jonathan_> my firefox webbrowser refuses toe download ndiswrapper
[04:25] <jonathan_> toe = to
[04:26] <Seveas> jonathaN, you do not need to download ndiswrapper with firefox
[04:26] <jonathan_> with apt-get, the installation of ndis has stopped because some folders can not be locked :s
[04:26] <Seveas> Elfir3, install xorg-driver-nvidia and linux-restricted-modules
[04:27] <Elfir3> thanks Seveas... i'll try this !
[04:27] <Seveas> jonathaN, make sure there are no other package managers open (synaptic, update manager, aptitude, other instances of apt-get)
[04:27] <CarlK> jonathan _ think I have that card...
[04:27] <jonathan_> you do :)
[04:27] <jonathan_> carlk, how did you made it work?
[04:28] <jonathan_> carlk, i just installed the latest version of ubuntu en performed the Internet Update
[04:28] <jonathan_> carlk, gcc is not installed
[04:28] <othernoob> where can i configure my soundcard ? i accidentally closed the sound config in the kdepanel :/
[04:28] <Seveas> jonathaN, you do not need gcc to install ndiswrapper
[04:29] <zEraCos> Will ubuntu run smooth on a AMD k6-2 350mhz , 190mb  machine?
[04:29] <bob2> ubuntu will be fine
[04:29] <jeroen_> zEraCos, not with gnome
[04:29] <bob2> gnome won't be much fun
[04:29] <Seveas> zEraCos, gnome might be slow
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> it would be usable though
[04:29] <Seveas> try XFCE or even fluxbox
[04:29] <carl> jonathaN, 2 things: mine is just dwl-650+ and I hear there are really 4 different versions of it
[04:29] <zEraCos> Does ubuntu come with fluxbox?
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> carl: yeah there is
[04:30] <bob2> zEraCos: it's available, yes
[04:30] <carl> jonathaN, but for this I just pluged it in and installed Ubuntu - it took care of everything
[04:30] <Seveas> zEraCos, it is available from the repositories
[04:30] <zEraCos> oh ok
[04:31] <carl> jonathaN, put the card in, boot the Ubuntu Live CD, see if it brings it up. that worked for 8 out of 8 wacked cards I had laying around
[04:31] <jonathan_> everybody, how do i see all the ESSID's
[04:31] <zEraCos> I've tried several dists on this machine.. but nothing really was convenient for me..  even with fluxbox. But I used the xvesa driver.. hopefully Xfree86 is  a lot faster
[04:31] <jonathan_> everbody, how scan for essid
[04:31] <Seveas> jonathan_, iwconfig scan
[04:31] <Seveas> jonathan_, and please do not repeat so quickly :)
[04:31] <bob2> jonathan_: sudo iwlist scanning
[04:32] <jonathan_> i refrased :p
[04:32] <Seveas> zEraCos, ubuntu hoary does not use xfree86
[04:32] <Seveas> it uses Xorg
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> zEraCos: what video card do you have
[04:32] <zEraCos> s3 virge 2mb
[04:32] <jonathan_> jonathan@ubuntu:~$ iwconfig scan
[04:32] <jonathan_> scan      No such device
[04:32] <Seveas> iwlist scan
[04:32] <Seveas> sorry, my bad
[04:33] <zEraCos> question is.. which one uses less resournce x.org or xfree86 ?
[04:33] <jonathan_> wlan0     No scan results
[04:33] <jonathan_> sit0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> zEraCos: you can just use the 's3' driver then .. it will auto detect
[04:34] <carl> Seveas, i never saw iwlist scan before - thats awesome
[04:34] <MistaED> fluxbox, xvesa, you were using damn small linux right? heh
[04:34] <jonathan_> isn't there anybody who could build a rpm for a wifi card?
[04:34] <MistaED> anyway night
[04:35] <wdh> when configuring xserver-xorg, should i mark GLcore for installation? In other words, is DRI enabled in the current hoary kernel?
[04:36] <bob2> jonathan_: you don't seem to have explained your problem yet, at all
[04:37] <wdh> its for an onboard via km400 chipset
[04:37] <wdh> s3 unichrome
[04:38] <carl> flukebox, xterm - how do I "copy to clipboard"?
[04:38] <carl> I can select, but nothign copies or brings up a menu that might have copy on it
[04:38] <jonathan_> bob2, the problem is that i have a wireless connection in my netwerkconfiguration windows
[04:38] <littleworm> does KDE apps work on GNOME?
[04:38] <wdh> carl, i think just selecting something might work.. and then paste by pressing your middle-mouse-button
[04:38] <Seveas> littleworm, yes
[04:38] <littleworm> so is the difference?
[04:38] <bob2> jonathan_: that doesn't sound like a problem
[04:39] <jonathan_> bob2, if i activate it, i can't retrieve an IP
[04:39] <littleworm> so what is*
[04:39] <bob2> jonathan_: did you setup wep/wpa?
[04:39] <carl> wdh - trying to paste in Firefox, menu, paste is disabled (like when there is nothing to paste)
[04:39] <jonathan_> yes
[04:39] <wdh> carl, as i said, middle mouse-button
[04:39] <carl> jonathaN, set the ESSID to "all"
[04:39] <Chameleon22> i am trying to mount my ipod on linux (mount -w -t hfsplus /dev/sda3 /media/mp3player/) and do -rm -rf on it so i can run gnupod scripts however it tells me that mounted fs is read only, is there any way i can delete the files on there ?
[04:40] <carl> wdh - A) I only have 2, B) there is nothting to paste
[04:40] <jonathan_> bob2, now I am somewhere else but home, here the have a wireless network but i don't know the ESSID name, iwlist scan doesn't help
[04:40] <bob2> jonathan_: then ask whoever runs the network
[04:40] <kev0r> how do i play OGM files, got an OGM file here, but VLC/totem/mplayer cannot play it
[04:40] <carl> jonathaN, set the ESSID to "all"
[04:40] <Seveas> jonathaN, maybe he uses a hidden ESSID
[04:40] <bob2> Chameleon22: do you need to pass it -o rw?
[04:40] <Seveas> ndiswrapper can NOT handle a hidden ESSID
[04:40] <wdh> carl, make a selection, and then press both mouse buttons then
[04:40] <wdh> on the place you want it to be pasted
[04:40] <kikdadog> morning all you ubuntu gurus
[04:41] <wdh> carl, are you alright?
[04:41] <carl> ;)
[04:41] <jonathan_> it is in my school, and the administrator is *always* buzzy with nothing
[04:41] <Chameleon22> bob2: -o ?
[04:41] <jonathan_> i can't even find the ... :)
[04:41] <bob2> Chameleon22: -o rw
[04:41] <carl> wdh - "make a selection" is not putting anyting on the clipboard
[04:41] <Chameleon22> bob2: k will try
[04:41] <jonathan_> i typed 'all' in the ESSID
[04:42] <wdh> carl, its just another system to get things pasted.. doesnt really use a clipboard
[04:42] <jonathan_> then i iwlist scan in terminal
[04:42] <jonathan_> no scan results
[04:42] <Chameleon22> bob2:  something like this : mount -o rw -t hfsplus /dev/sda3 /media/mp3player/
[04:42] <carl> wdh - if I select text here in xchat, then "paste" is enabled in Firefox, and I can paste.  but I can't get anything from xterm
[04:42] <bob2> Chameleon22: yes
[04:43] <carl> wdh.. i see.. leme try that
[04:43] <zEraCos> which one uses less resournce x.org or xfree86 ?
[04:43] <carl> wdh - woa.. it worked.  thanks
[04:43] <wdh> carl, pfff.. that took some time :S
[04:44] <Chameleon22> bob2: still get read only fs error
[04:44] <wdh> :P
[04:44] <wdh> carl, but you are welcome..
[04:44] <bob2> Chameleon22: does linux support writing to hfsplus?
[04:44] <Chameleon22> bob2: i imagine so if gnupod used to work
[04:44] <jonathan_> don't know if anyone could help know this, Ubuntu hardware database entry : 9b9d33154b12d05ea915b3e0d2622902, but can't hurt to try
[04:46] <CBotPaste> "CarlK" at <IP_ADDRESS> pasted "dwl-650+ stuff" (16 lines) at http://audio.foxshare.net:8888/25
[04:47] <Seveas> CarlK, is that your bot?
[04:47] <carl> jonathaN,  - there is what I get on my box
[04:47] <carl> Seveas, yeah - it seems to follow me around
[04:48] <Seveas> carl, please DISABLE it. It is way too easy to abuse
[04:48] <carl> Seveas, will do
[04:48] <Seveas> thank you
[04:48] <francis_> can i ask a question?
[04:49] <jonathan_> carl, what did you mean?
[04:49] <Seveas> francis_, read the topic ;)
[04:49] <Jormundgand> In trying Breezy I have concluded I shall wait for bugs to be ironed out.
[04:49] <Seveas> Jormundgand, wise conclusion :)
[04:49] <Amaranth> carl: Can you please get rid of CBotPaste?
[04:49] <CarlK> im working on it..
[04:50] <Jormundgand> Bugs noted: volume control widget does not list non-OSS devices, many packages unavailable due to dependency hell, Ctrl commands all to hell.
[04:50] <jeroen_> what kind of bot is/was it?
[04:50] <Seveas> jeroen_, a bot that announced pastebin posts
[04:50] <gaoxing> hollel
[04:50] <Seveas> very easy to abuse
[04:50] <Amaranth> CarlK: I could do it for you. ;)
[04:50] <yahalom> how do i copy iso cds with nautilus? like make ubuntu copies?
[04:51] <CarlK> Amaranth - please just kick it
[04:51] <jeroen_> yahalom, you mean burn them?
[04:51] <yahalom> jeroen_, yes
[04:51] <CarlK> thanks..
[04:51] <jeroen_> yahalom, just right mouse click them and select write to disc
[04:51] <Amaranth> CarlK: Anytime. ;)
[04:52] <yahalom> jeroen_ no u didnt understand me:) i have an ubuntu cd and i want to make copies of that cd.
[04:52] <yahalom> jeroen_, from cd to cd
[04:53] <jeroen_> yahalom, easy solution: download the ISO ;)
[04:53] <yahalom> jeroen_, so no solution without doing that?
[04:53] <jeroen_> yahalom, I'm sure there is one; but I don't know it
[04:54] <yahalom> jeroen_, ah ok thanx
[04:54] <yahalom> it works on k3b so it should work on nautilus. my gnomebaker isnt working well it seems.
[04:55] <Amaranth> CarlK: forgot about that? :)
[04:55] <CarlK> Amaranth - I was being dumb and couldn't figure out how to op myself...
[04:56] <CarlK> Amaranth - or more correctly, I confused myself
[04:56] <Amaranth> CarlK: In xchat i have /op mapped to /cs op #channel, makes it easy
[04:56] <Amaranth> CarlK: /op Amaranth is /cs op #ubuntu Amaranth, for example
[04:57] <CarlK> Amaranth - not when you switch to another box whre you are logged in under a name that isn't linked bla bla bla...
[04:57] <Amaranth> CarlK: I've maxed out my links. :)
[04:57] <Seveas> Amaranth, how long does it take for new members to be added to the CS access list?
[04:58] <CarlK> the DLW box is a P1-233, 96 meg.  not the most pleasurable box to work on
[04:58] <Amaranth> Seveas: If you can find jdub and someone to vouch (sp?) for you it takes no time at all.
[04:58] <Seveas> k
[04:58] <carthik> Can someone guide me through revoking my current gpg key-pairs (and subkeys) and starting afresh? I beleive my private keys are not secure any longer.
[04:58] <CarlK> but it did teach me that "select + middle click" does't use the clipboard like I thought it did, so there is beauty in everything
[04:58] <yahalom> ok i know this might be a bit off topic, but help would be appreciated. on a machine that is running ubuntun, would a windows98 boot disk work? or would it have trouble with reading ext3 resiserfs?
[04:59] <yahalom> what about a win98 boot-cd?
[04:59] <fabbione> carthik: you need to create a revoke cert and upload it to the keyserver. import it to invalidate the private key
[04:59] <fabbione> carthik: and you can trash your .gnupg
[04:59] <andre_r> hi
[04:59] <Elfir3> I removed the old version of restricted modules, now there's just k7 ones, i reinstalled every nvidia packages, and now, there isn't any nvidia module found :( are they only working with i386 ones ?
[04:59] <CarlK> yahalom - what is a "win98 boot disk"?
[04:59] <carthik> fabbione, okay, so revoke and upload to keyserver is fine, but how do I import it again?
[05:00] <yahalom> CarlK, i'm glad u dont know :)
[05:00] <m4x> lewiz_, u still there?
[05:00] <fabbione> carthik: once you create the certificate, it will be in a file
[05:00] <CarlK> yahalom - although the easy answer is: No MS Win Anything will read ext3 or anthing other than FAT or NTFS
[05:00] <fabbione> carthik: gpg --import file
[05:00] <m4x> is anyone using dual monitors succesfully? i could use a bit of help
[05:00] <carthik> fabbione, okay. thanks a lot
[05:00] <fabbione> carthik: no problem
[05:00] <musicforme89> hey
[05:00] <CarlK> yahalom - I do have win98 boot floppys made with good ol format /s
[05:00] <musicforme89> anyone in here answering questions?
[05:01] <carthik> fabbione, can I possibly pm you? I am little shaky with all this. I would really appreciate it.
[05:01] <makisupa> Can someone give me a little help getting a USB CDRW to mount?....I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall
[05:01] <Seveas> CarlK, there are 3rd party tools for reading ext3 under ein
[05:01] <Seveas> win*
[05:01] <yahalom> CarlK, i have win98 boot cdrom, that should load up as an installer cd i would think?
[05:01] <jeroen_> makisupa, it works for me
[05:01] <othernoob> is there a difference between the restricted and universe and multiverse packages?
[05:01] <jeroen_> Philips Jackrabbit
[05:02] <makisupa> jeroen_  what /dev did it mount as?  Thanks
[05:02] <yahalom> CarlK, without reading the fs that is. just load the cd and provide me with the tools of the cd.
[05:02] <jeroen_> makisupa, it goes automatically. Shall I plug it in to check?
[05:02] <jeroen_> what make do you have? I have a Philips Jackrabbit
[05:03] <CarlK> yahalom - if your box will boot the CD, it doesn't matter what is/isn't on the drive - don't even need the drive to be there
[05:03] <makisupa> If you could...I would appreciate that
[05:03] <jeroen_> makisupa, what make do you have?
[05:03] <makisupa> Its a generic ATAPI...dont remember the man...probably I/O magic
[05:03] <musicforme89> I've downloaded the live cd, burned and run it. When loading componentes it claims theres a file missing or the integrity of my cd is compromised. Integrity check comes up clean. any help?
[05:03] <Seveas> othernoob, restricted is non-free but supported
[05:03] <Seveas> universe is free and community supported
[05:04] <yahalom> CarlK, so i'm saying if i set the first boot device to be cdrom, it should read the boot cd, right?
[05:04] <Seveas> multiverse is non-free and community supported
[05:04] <CarlK> yahalom - correct
[05:04] <gaoxing> sh ./setup
[05:04] <makisupa> jeroen_  Hoary
[05:04] <gaoxing> sh ./setup look
[05:04] <jeroen_> makisupa, I meant the USB CDRW
[05:04] <yahalom> CarlK, not so with the boot disk (floppy) ?
[05:04] <CarlK> yahalom - some boxes have trouble booting some CDs - (like they don't wait long enough for the disk to spin up)
[05:04] <henke> hmm, if a package "foo2" is made with "Replaces: foo", should I not be able to install a package that depends on "foo" if I have "foo2" installed?
[05:05] <yonil> ahhhhh somehow my keyboard got to a position where i must "repress" a key for it to appear twice ... how can i set it to normal ? (if i hold some key for a long time it only write it once...)
[05:05] <CarlK> yahalom - what about the floppy?
[05:05] <Elfir3> Seveas: I removed the old/386 version of restricted modules, now there's just k7 ones, i reinstalled every nvidia packages, and now, there isn't any nvidia module found :( ?
[05:05] <othernoob> Seveas: let's say i want a new kernel, any difference between those kernels ?
[05:05] <jeroen_> makisupa, uhh.. I just plugged it in, and.. it doesn't work! :O
[05:05] <bob2> henke: no
[05:05] <Seveas> othernoob, what do you mean?
[05:05] <bob2> henke: it would have to use Provides, too
[05:05] <yahalom> CarlK, i have boot floppy and boot cd. would the floppy also work without reading the fs?
[05:05] <Seveas> all kernels are in main (free & supported)
[05:05] <CarlK> yahalom - correct.
[05:05] <bob2> henke: replaces = replaces some of the files in in the other package
[05:06] <bob2> Seveas: not quite true, there are others in universe
[05:06] <othernoob> Seveas: there's a 2.6.10-686 kernel in restricted and universe.. are they different ?