 Couldn't sleep any longer.
[09:44] <InHisName> Wierdest thing is I got up 4:23,  hmm 7 hours, that oughta be good enough.  Now to catch up on back chats.  Just got to this one now.
[09:44] <JonathanD> yeah :P
[09:45] <JonathanD> I slept at about 10pm I thin.
[09:45] <JonathanD> maybe not.
[09:45] <JonathanD> 02:50:25 < JonathanD> oh dear.
[09:45] <JonathanD> thats only 6 hours :P
[09:46] <JonathanD> meh
[09:50] <InHisName> Which time zone ARE you JonathanD?
[09:51] <JonathanD> InHisName: Eastern.
[09:51] <JonathanD> My irc clocks are not, though.
[09:52] <InHisName> So are they UTC or what ?  Kinda confusing when you are pushing something locally then quote weird times.
[09:53] <InHisName> or is it UCT ?
[09:53] <JonathanD> it's UTC
[09:59] <InHisName> I can't come up with the def'n of UTC.  Universal Time    ....  committee  ?
[10:02] <InHisName> I could just fall back to the lazy way and call it grenwich mean time
[10:06] <JonathanD> Coordinated Universal Time
[10:14] <rmg51> morning earlybirds
[10:18] <JonathanD> howdy rmg51
[10:19] <rmg51> o/
[10:19] <rmg51> 364 days to go :-D
[10:20] <JonathanD> We haven't picked a date yet :P
[10:20] <rmg51> 365 to go
[10:30] <rmg51> walk time
[10:30] <rmg51> later
[15:17] <ChinnoDog> so, Breadman saves the day?
[15:22] <jedijf> isn't that /walways/ the case
[15:22] <jedijf> always too
[15:52] <ChinnoDog>  Legend of Breadman continues
[15:58] <jedijf> it's all pleia2's fault
[15:58] <jedijf> JonathanD's too
[15:59] <jedijf> the heat could have played a part, i may have sent that email during a heat stroke moment
[16:13] <waltman> I think that jedijf was actually baking bread in that back room.
[16:16] <jedijf> could have
[16:17] <jedijf> it was a convection oven when the door was closed
[16:47] <JonathanD> jedijf: thanks :)
[16:47] <JonathanD> For everything :)
[16:48] <jedijf> lol, np, thank YOU!!!!!
[16:48] <jedijf> i love community events
[16:49] <JonathanD> jedijf: lets have some more.
[16:49] <jedijf> i just wish i wasn't training a new driver at the same time....i could have done/enjoyed more
[16:49] <JonathanD> jedijf: don't forget, the coffee pots can be considered available to whomever needs them.
[16:49] <jedijf> did you see my pm?
[20:42] <waltman> If you lost an Apple DVI to VGA Display Adapter at FOSSCON yesterday, I probably have it. Contact me and I'll return it to you asap.
[21:37] <ChinnoDog> waltman:  those are pretty inexpensive on the egg
[21:38] <ChinnoDog> I mean generic ones. probably expensive if it is apple
[21:44] <jedijf> that's like the most sought after apple accesory
[21:45] <JonathanD> jedijf: is it unusual?
[21:45] <jedijf> no, just necessary
[21:45] <jedijf> no adapter, no presos
[21:45] <jedijf> in general ^^
[21:46] <JonathanD> I thought that was the little jack thingy to VGA
[21:46] <JonathanD> not the one walt had
[21:46] <JonathanD> which looks like a fairly normal DVI-VGA but corded.
[21:48] <jedijf> this one: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=dvi+to+vga&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=9035972479451114895&sa=X&ei=ApMsTuHlJoTj0QHr1LjkDg&ved=0CDcQ8gIwAQ
[21:48] <PennBot> Title: Apple VGA adapter Apple mini-DVI - male - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15) - female (at www.google.com)
[21:49] <jedijf> i think i've used the adapter more than my iBook
[21:52] <ChinnoDog> what is special about this adapter that prevents it from being replaced by a $6 job?
[21:52] <JonathanD> jedijf: nope
[21:52] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: the apples logo.
[21:55] <jedijf> JonathanD: he stole a different/better one?
[21:55] <jedijf> :P
[21:57] <JonathanD> jedijf: it's something else
[21:57] <JonathanD> it's not displayport
[21:57] <JonathanD> just DVI-VGA
[21:58] <JonathanD> maybe an older one?
[21:58] <JonathanD> But he figured out the owner I think so all good
[22:04] <jedijf> JonathanD: shouldn't you be swimming?
[22:10] <JonathanD> I was.
[22:11] <JonathanD> came back
[22:11] <JonathanD> relaxing now
[22:11] <jedijf> well deserved
[22:12] <JonathanD> next up, I think, will be a canoeing trip
[22:12] <JonathanD> as soon as it cools off.
[22:12] <JonathanD> which will hopefully be in a couple weekends
[23:14] <ChinnoDog>  yawn
[23:17] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: where are you now?
[23:20] <ChinnoDog> union station, dc, waiting for a train
[23:23] <ChinnoDog> empty train parked here, board screwed up. idk when we are leaving
[23:24] <jedijf> is this the trip home? weren't you in NY
[23:24] <ChinnoDog> yes. got off the bus, walked here
[23:25] <jedijf> went to NY just for the hell of it?
[23:26] <ChinnoDog> hanging around with my family. brought a Marc Chagall print from the Guggenheim back with me
[23:26] <ChinnoDog> protecting it with my life. Creases are bad.
[23:28] <jedijf> you're fancy...i'm more of a Scarface print kinda guy. "you want to say hello to my little friend?"
[23:30] <ChinnoDog> haha. That is cool but does not belong on my wall I think


[12:57] <Kasplatt> Where are the themes placed ?
[01:05] <Kasplatt> sorry.
[01:07] <kat> hello, i'm using a hama s1 gaming mouse in gnome 2.16.1 and i cant get the side button (forward button) to work. back button works. this is not a microsoft intellimouse.
[01:09] <freddy13> hello everyone
[01:09] <kat> hiya
[01:10] <freddy13> kat needs some help with the side buttons on her new mouse... she's a bit stuck...
[01:10] <Kasplatt> Where do I put theme/style files for xUbuntu ?
[01:15] <kalikiana> Kasplatt, It's pretty easy to guess: ~/.themes (~ is your home directory)
[01:20] <BFTD> Kasplatt also in /usr/share/themes
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> !mouse | kat
[01:20] <ubotu> kat: Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[01:38] <comradec> what is the actual file that X uses to load startup programs through gdm
[01:41] <maxamillion> comradec: just a min ... i don't remember, lemme find it
[01:41] <Kasplatt> BFTD, :thanks
[01:42] <comradec> if I just make an xinitrc in my home will that work
[01:42] <maxamillion> comradec: the file (or files if you have more than 1 DE/WM installed) is/are located in /usr/share/xsessions/
[01:44] <maxamillion> comradec: you might also be looking for /usr/bin/startxfce4
[01:45] <comradec> ah it does look for a .xinitrc in your home
[01:45] <maxamillion> :)
[01:46] <comradec> thanks
[01:46] <comradec> gonna go check if this works
[01:50] <emdash> Jeroen Tel - Outrun Europe (level 1)
[01:50] <emdash> oops, wrong window
[01:50] <maxamillion> lol
[02:46] <neozen> meeeep
[02:47] <neozen> (hi?)
[02:48] <BFTD> hi
[02:49] <neozen> another slow day?
[02:50] <neozen> hoallo t2
[02:53] <cycro> how do i remove an installed app?
[02:54] <neozen> what'd you install with?
[02:54] <neozen> synaptic, aptitude or apt-get?
[02:54] <cycro> a .deb file
[02:55] <neozen> sudo aptitude purge apptoremove
[02:55] <neozen> should do it
[02:55] <cycro> ty
[02:55] <neozen> try using name of the package file sans .deb as apptoremove
[02:55] <cycro> it was kiba-dock
[02:56] <neozen> pa comcast flaky mon?
[02:57] <cycro> anybody get kiba-dock to work?
[02:57] <neozen> that a kde thing?
[02:58] <cycro> i duno
[02:58] <cycro> lol
[02:59] <neozen> !kiba-dock
[02:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kiba-dock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:00] <cycro> its a cute dock-like app like in mac osx
[03:00] <neozen> ..................ah
[03:00] <cycro> but i cant seem to configure it
[03:01] <neozen> tried this?
[03:01] <neozen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268645
[03:01] <cycro> yes
[03:01] <cycro> WARNING - kiba seem to have closed their cvs repository and so you can't follow the guide.
[03:01] <neozen> LOL
[03:01] <neozen> nice fellas
[03:02] <cycro> oie
[03:02] <neozen> I've had good luck just using a xubuntu panel and turning on autohide for it to get this kind of functionality
[03:03] <cycro> do the icons bounce around ?
[03:03] <cycro> can u throw them around
[03:03] <neozen> lol.. no
[03:03] <neozen> ...but that's why I use xubuntu
[03:03] <neozen> stripped down
[03:04] <neozen> ..but fully functional
[03:04] <neozen> has the features I need
[03:04] <neozen> and has the ability to be very beautiful
[03:04] <neozen> http://neozen.no-ip.info/ss.png
[03:05] <cycro> slick
[03:05] <cycro> howd u do all that?
[03:05] <neozen> ....a theme
[03:05] <neozen> ....and created some launchers
[03:06] <neozen> ...used a few panel applets that came w/ xubuntu
[03:06] <neozen> theme is neutronium
[03:06] <cycro> nice
[03:06] <neozen> ....xfce theme is linsta-black
[03:06] <cycro> i installed beryl
[03:06] <neozen> lol
[03:06] <neozen> I'm staying away from that
[03:06] <neozen> I value efficiency over eye-candy
[03:07] <cycro> so far my comp can handle it
[03:07] <neozen> .....this laptop can display the flurry screensaver at a decent framerate..... that's good enough for me
[03:07] <cycro> so eye-candy all the way
[03:07] <neozen> lol
[03:07] <cycro> aw:)
[03:07] <neozen> not to mention
[03:07] <neozen> ...I run a lot of emulators/ virtual machines
[03:08] <neozen> ....I don't want my os eating up cpu power that's better used elsewhere
[03:08] <neozen> not to mention
[03:08] <neozen> ...I've only got an intel 950 card
[03:08] <neozen> ...and a 1.4gz celeron
[03:08] <neozen> ....1gb of ram though
[03:08] <neozen> ..that's been very nice
[03:09] <cycro> lol
[03:09] <cycro> go u
[03:22] <krash123> hi all
[03:22] <krash123> what program sould i use for hd partitioning ?
[03:24] <cycro> hi
[03:24] <cycro> a little help?
[03:26] <cycro> followng htis tut
[03:26] <cycro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[03:27] <Jester45> how do you or can you change the permissions of a windows file from linux with smb know the password i just cant get the grapics cardd drive to wkr so i cant edit anything
[03:31] <cycro> so
[03:31] <cycro> mm
[03:31] <cycro> wat does this mean?
[03:31] <cycro> Also set which TCP port that the printer system will accept connections on. In Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy) and Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) add this line under the Network Options part of the file (somewhere around line 420), or in Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper) add the following line to /etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf:
[03:32] <cycro> Also set which TCP port that the printer system will accept connections on. In Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy) and Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) add this line under the Network Options part
[03:32] <cycro> of the file (somewhere around line 420), or in Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper) add the following line to
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> What's a default install of Xubuntu's disk footprint?
[03:47] <BFTD> footprints?
[03:47] <BFTD> hrm?
[03:47] <BFTD> !footprint
[03:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about footprint - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:47] <BFTD> hrm
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> BFTD: how many gigs of hd used?
[03:50] <BFTD> 2 at least
[03:50] <BFTD> I recommend at least 6 though
[03:50] <Sanctusorium> Hey, hows it going?
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> BFTD: Well, the entire disk is 6.5 I think
[03:53] <BFTD> ok
[03:53] <BFTD> I used up my 20 gig'sin like 2 days after the install
[03:56] <GionnyBoss> I would like to install Xubuntu. Will I be able to do almost everything I can do with Ubuntu and GNOME?
[03:57] <GionnyBoss> I'm not sure if I have to install Ubuntu or Xubuntu on an old computer... can anybody give an advice, please?
[03:57] <Sanctusorium> I am a real newb here but...
[03:58] <Sanctusorium> The main site of Xubuntu says that it is more focuesed on preformance
[03:58] <Sanctusorium> I would go with Xubuntu if you are installing on an older machien
[03:59] <Sanctusorium> And from my overall close-to-none experience with Ubuntu and Xubuntu, you can do the same stuff...  Just in a little different way.
[04:00] <Sanctusorium> Ok...  I got a question..
[04:00] <Sanctusorium> I cant seem to change my resolution.  I keep going to Apps - Settings - Display Settings.  That pops up, but when I select a different resolution, it doesnt change the resoluion, but gives me the dialog box to change back to a previous setting.  Any ideas?
[04:01] <Jester45> i would use xubuntu on anything
[04:01] <Jester45> and yes you can do just about anything the same as ubuntu
[04:01] <Jester45> there are only a few core things that you cant do with xubuntu
[04:02] <Jester45> what grapics card do you haVe
[04:02] <Sanctusorium> I am running a Geforce 6200 OC, Pentium4, a dell CRT that can do 1280 x 1024 max....
[04:02] <Sanctusorium> I want my 1280 x 1024 ;D
[04:03] <BFTD> Sanctusorium did you install the nvidia drivers?
[04:03] <Sanctusorium> Just tried...  But it said I had to shut down the xserver
[04:03] <Sanctusorium> And I got stuck there
[04:03] <BFTD> did you restart?
[04:03] <BFTD> the computer that is
[04:04] <Sanctusorium> Nope.  Should I?  It wouldn't let me even start the nVidia driver install
[04:04] <BFTD> yeah
[04:04] <BFTD> try it
[04:04] <Sanctusorium> Alright, reboot.  Brb
[04:07] <Jester45> i will also brb
[04:07] <Sanctusorium> Holy crap...
[04:08] <Sanctusorium> I just pressed ALT CTRL and BKSPC and boom
[04:08] <Sanctusorium> I belive this is 1280 x 1024
[04:08] <BFTD> I wouldn't doubt it
[04:09] <Sanctusorium> It just reset the IDE..  I though it rebooted.
[04:09] <Sanctusorium> Er
[04:09] <Sanctusorium> GUI
[04:09] <Sanctusorium> <_<  Been in Java class too much
[04:09] <BFTD> yeah
[04:09] <BFTD> I presumed you did that already
[04:10] <Sanctusorium> Nope...  I am a compleate newb when it comes to Linux
[04:10] <BFTD> oh ok
[04:10] <BFTD> wanta few starter tips?
[04:10] <Sanctusorium> Yeah, please!
[04:10] <BFTD> ok
[04:11] <BFTD> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[04:11] <BFTD> go there
[04:11] <BFTD> and make a new source list including everything except the Kubuntu stuff unless you want that too
[04:11] <BFTD> then type in this command at the terminal "sudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:12] <BFTD> replace everything in that file with the new source list you just made
[04:12] <BFTD> then in command line run this command
[04:12] <BFTD> "sudo apt-get update && upgrade"
[04:13] <BFTD> oh, include the non-standard repo's
[04:13] <Sanctusorium> I have played with apt get last night...  It was really cool ;D
[04:14] <BFTD> yes, yes it is
[04:14] <BFTD> ok
[04:14] <BFTD> so once you get all that done
[04:14] <BFTD> open synaptics
[04:14] <BFTD> reload everything
[04:15] <BFTD> and then install these things: libdvdcss2, win32codec, ffmpeg, lame, libmad, xmms and all its plugins(unless you need to save space, then go through them and pick and choose what you want), and then vlc
[04:15] <BFTD> that'll get you full audio and video support
[04:16] <Jester45> or... install win32codec mplayer mplayer-mozilla-plugin
[04:16] <Jester45> and done
[04:16] <Sanctusorium> Alright...  I was about to ask about my audio as well.
[04:16] <Sanctusorium> I got NO sound right now =b
[04:16] <Jester45> well...
[04:16] <Jester45> the system has default sounds
[04:17] <Jester45> at login
[04:17] <Jester45> but... you might have it muted or it might not be working
[04:17] <Sanctusorium> =(
[04:17] <Sanctusorium> Alright...
[04:17] <Jester45> my audio card didnt work
[04:18] <Jester45> but it was a modem/audiocard
[04:18] <BFTD> yeah Sanctusorium open terminal, and type in "alsamixer"
[04:18] <Jester45> weird setup
[04:18] <BFTD> raise them all up and see which one gives you sound
[04:20] <Sanctusorium> Nope
[04:20] <Sanctusorium> None
[04:20] <Sanctusorium> o,0
[04:20] <Sanctusorium> Interesting
[04:20] <Sanctusorium> Card: Intel ICH5
[04:20] <Sanctusorium> WRONG
[04:20] <BFTD> what kind of card is it?
[04:20] <Sanctusorium> I got a Soundblaster installed
[04:20] <BFTD> oh
[04:20] <Sanctusorium> in the PCI
[04:20] <BFTD> same here
[04:21] <BFTD> what version of Xubuntu is it?
[04:21] <Sanctusorium> It looks like it is trying to use the Embedded...
[04:21] <Sanctusorium> Ummm
[04:21] <Sanctusorium> How I find out?
[04:21] <Sanctusorium> I d/led it yesterday
[04:21] <BFTD> haha
[04:21] <BFTD> ah
[04:21] <BFTD> most likely edgy then
[04:21] <Sanctusorium> So I am assuming the newest
[04:21] <BFTD> uname -a
[04:21] <Sanctusorium> Oh yeah
[04:21] <Sanctusorium>  It is
[04:21] <BFTD> shoudl give enough to tell me
[04:21] <Jester45> was the firefox icon blue or blue with a fox
[04:22] <Sanctusorium> Just blue =b
[04:22] <Sanctusorium> jeff@Nevitas:~$ uname -a
[04:22] <Sanctusorium> Linux Nevitas 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Fri Oct 13 18:45:35 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:22] <Sanctusorium> jeff@Nevitas:~$
[04:22] <Jester45> i think he has drapper but i haven't been close ot default for a long time
[04:22] <tonyyarusso> Dapper, not drapper
[04:22] <Sanctusorium> In the tray it is with a fox
[04:23] <Sanctusorium> In the actual browser, it is just blue
[04:23] <Sanctusorium> It looks like FF2.0 at least...
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> Sanctusorium: lsb_release -a
[04:23] <Sanctusorium> No LSB modules are available.
[04:23] <Sanctusorium> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[04:23] <Sanctusorium> Description:    Ubuntu 6.10
[04:23] <Sanctusorium> Release:        6.10
[04:23] <Sanctusorium> Codename:       edgy
[04:24] <BFTD> yeah his kernel was too new
[04:25] <Jester45> he could of made a custom one :)
[04:25] <Sanctusorium> Yeah
[04:26] <Sanctusorium> Because I am that hardcore ;D
[04:26] <Jester45> !LTS
[04:26] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[04:26] <Sanctusorium> It was like a monkey finally typing Art of War
[04:27] <Sanctusorium> Alright...
[04:27] <Sanctusorium> So how can I make my other sound card work?
[04:27] <Sanctusorium> ...  Wait...
[04:27] <Sanctusorium> Lets see if the embedded works
[04:27] <Sanctusorium> It craped out in windows
[04:27] <Sanctusorium> Windows XP wont even see it
[04:27] <Jester45> i think im going to install warty
[04:29] <Sanctusorium> Nope!
[04:29] <Sanctusorium> No sound
[04:30] <Sanctusorium> Embedded audio...  Meh
[04:30] <Sanctusorium> So, does any one know how I could change my sound card?
[04:33] <crimsun> what's the problem?
[04:33] <Sanctusorium> It seems that Xubuntu is using my embedded audio chip - which is fried or some thing - and not my Soundblaster
[04:34] <crimsun> pastebin the required info from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[04:34] <Sanctusorium> Alright
[04:34] <Jester45> or... take a screwdriver and remove the embeded :) for stilled peoples only
[04:35] <Sanctusorium> Rather not take the chance of fuggin up my mobo ;D
[04:35] <Sanctusorium> I can see it now..
[04:36] <Sanctusorium> =b
[04:38] <Sanctusorium> Oh, wow, I see why you said pastebin this
[04:39] <Jester45> chanserv tends not to like users to post 7 pages of stuff
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> Nor do I
[04:40] <Sanctusorium> Oh yeah, pretty sure it would get annoying
[04:40] <crimsun> I love it. I just ignore and go back to reading data sheets.
[04:44] <Jester45> o sounds like fun
[04:44] <Sanctusorium> Ya know...  Chanserv may not like pages of info...  I hate being baned more than chanserv hates spam =b
[04:44] <Sanctusorium> Pastebin for the win!
[04:45] <Jester45> my um... signature on forums is
[04:45] <Jester45> I've been banned from that server a few times
[04:45] <Athensman> can anyone here help me install Xubuntu??
[04:46] <Jester45> its true
[04:46] <Sanctusorium> XD
[04:46] <Sanctusorium> Athensman, what do you need help with?
[04:46] <Athensman> well i burned it
[04:46] <Athensman> and i restarted the computer and it seems to try ti install
[04:47] <Athensman> but the screen goes black and all i see is a blinking _
[04:47] <Sanctusorium> Ok, you got the CD in...
[04:47] <Athensman> yea
[04:47] <Sanctusorium> And you are booting up, correct?
[04:47] <Sanctusorium> But
[04:47] <Sanctusorium> It wont boot up to the live CD?
[04:47] <Athensman> well when i boot up
[04:47] <Sanctusorium> You get the black screen?
[04:48] <Athensman> i see the circle and what looks like a black dog in teh middle
[04:48] <Athensman> and the knight rider looking thingy on the bottom
[04:48] <Athensman> and it sits there for about 10 min
[04:48] <Athensman> then it goes all black
[04:48] <Sanctusorium> Sounds like what Ubuntu did to me.
[04:48] <Sanctusorium> Have you tried any other versions of Ubuntu?
[04:49] <Sanctusorium> Like Kubuntu?
[04:49] <Athensman> no
[04:49] <Athensman> what the difference in the 2
[04:49] <Sanctusorium> Hm..  What I would do in your situation...
[04:50] <Sanctusorium> 1.  Try a new CD.  Yours maybe bad.
[04:50] <Athensman> i have burnt 2
[04:50] <Sanctusorium> Ok...
[04:50] <Athensman> both do the same thing
[04:51] <Sanctusorium> If you REALLY want Xubuntu try the alternate install.
[04:51] <Sanctusorium> It doesnt boot into a GUI.
[04:51] <Sanctusorium> And...
[04:51] <Sanctusorium> The difference between Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu is the GUI it uses
[04:51] <Sanctusorium> Ub is GNOME
[04:51] <Sanctusorium> Kub is KDE
[04:51] <Athensman> i just have a spare computer than is old and i have win2kpro on it but it runs it slow everyone has told me to do linux since it would prob run better
[04:52] <Sanctusorium> And Xub is Xfce
[04:52] <Sanctusorium> Yeah, it probally will.
[04:52] <Athensman> is kubuntu good?
[04:52] <Jester45> yes
[04:52] <Sanctusorium> Well...  They are all "good"
[04:52] <Jester45> but it runs slower on old hardware
[04:53] <Sanctusorium> I would still try Xubuntu because your PC is old
[04:53] <Sanctusorium> Try to download the alternate install.
[04:53] <Jester45> xubuntu is the fastest then ubuntu then kubuntu
[04:53] <Athensman> well main i have tried 2 installed
[04:53] <Jester45> you might like xubuntu better anyways
[04:53] <Athensman> i have downloaded from 2 different places
[04:53] <Sanctusorium> You tried the Desktop version
[04:53] <Sanctusorium> I am pretty sure
[04:54] <Jester45> i run xubuntu on a athlon62 4200
[04:54] <Sanctusorium> The alternate install wont boot into a GUI
[04:54] <Athensman> i havtn seen a desktop version
[04:54] <Sanctusorium> Hmm
[04:54] <Jester45> i *think*
[04:54] <Athensman> i was wondering if there was a windows install version
[04:54] <Jester45> yes
[04:54] <Jester45> buts its buggy
[04:54] <Jester45> and doesnt work as good
[04:54] <Jester45> try the alternative cd its stabler and faster
[04:55] <Athensman> whats the link
[04:55] <Sanctusorium> xubuntu-6.10-alternate-amd64.iso
[04:55] <Jester45> how much ram does the machine have
[04:55] <Sanctusorium> Oh
[04:55] <Sanctusorium> Not that
[04:55] <Athensman> 256
[04:55] <Sanctusorium> You got AMD
[04:55] <Athensman> no
[04:55] <Athensman> 366 cleeron
[04:55] <Athensman> celeron
[04:55] <Sanctusorium> Opps
[04:55] <Sanctusorium> I mixed you up with Jester
[04:55] <Sanctusorium> Yeah
[04:56] <Sanctusorium> Hold on
[04:56] <Sanctusorium> http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/xubuntu-6.10-alternate-amd64.iso
[04:56] <Sanctusorium> Argh
[04:56] <Sanctusorium> Not that either XD
[04:56] <Athensman> thats the amd
[04:56] <Sanctusorium> http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/xubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso
[04:56] <Sanctusorium> THere ya go
[04:56] <Athensman> i downloaded that one last night
[04:56] <Sanctusorium> Oh really?
[04:56] <Athensman> yes
[04:57] <Sanctusorium> Did you try this... ?  (hold on a sec)
[04:57] <Sanctusorium> http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/xubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[04:57] <Sanctusorium> Desktop will load a GUI
[04:57] <Athensman> i run it in windows?
[04:57] <Sanctusorium> No, boot it.
[04:57] <Athensman> k
[04:58] <Sanctusorium> I dont suggest installing from windows
[04:58] <Sanctusorium> Because if they say it is buggy, unless you are a developer, I would stay away from it.
[04:58] <Athensman> well it is downloading
[04:58] <Sanctusorium> Alright.
[04:58] <Sanctusorium> Do you use bittorrent at all?
[04:58] <Athensman> yes all the time
[04:59] <Athensman> this download is slow
[04:59] <Sanctusorium> Ok, it will go faster by torrent... one sec
[04:59] <Athensman> thx
[04:59] <Sanctusorium> http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/xubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[04:59] <Sanctusorium> Like all torrents, it starts out slow but gets faster :D
[04:59] <Athensman> yes
[05:00] <Sanctusorium> Alright...  When this is done, burn and try it
[05:00] <Sanctusorium> If it dose NOT work
[05:00] <Athensman> 200k thats betyer
[05:00] <Sanctusorium> I suggest you try straight out Ubuntu
[05:01] <Jester45> you can install a ubuntu server and then install xubuntu
[05:02] <Jester45> going the server way keeps from isntalling the gnome gui
[05:02] <Athensman> i dont know why it will not install
[05:02] <Jester45> the slow part of ubuntu
[05:02] <Sanctusorium> Athensman, I have no clue why Ubuntu wouldn't boot up for me...
[05:02] <Athensman> compare to win2kpro how much resources does xubuntu use?
[05:03] <Athensman> so what did you do Sanctusorium
[05:03] <Sanctusorium> Just tried Kubuntu, it worked, but a friend suggest I just try Xubuntu
[05:03] <Athensman> do you like it
[05:03] <Sanctusorium> So I am using Xubuntu now
[05:03] <Sanctusorium> Yeah
[05:04] <Sanctusorium> I am just starting myself
[05:04] <Athensman> do you do a duel boot
[05:04] <Sanctusorium> Yep, with XP
[05:04] <Athensman> kool
[05:04] <Sanctusorium> Linux is a whole different beast.
[05:04] <Athensman> all the programs are free right
[05:04] <Sanctusorium> Most.
[05:05] <Jester45> a beautiful beast
[05:05] <Sanctusorium> Oh yes ;D
[05:05] <Athensman> i guess i need to see if that live cd will boot up in my other machine and I can tell if it is bad or not
[05:05] <Jester45> allmost all are free as in no $$$ to use but you have to sign a license
[05:06] <Sanctusorium> After I get my sound working, I want to see if I cant get some cosmetics going on ths.
[05:06] <Jester45> Sanctusorium: get beryl
[05:06] <Jester45> !beryl
[05:06] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:06] <Jester45> its very fun
[05:06] <Sanctusorium> Oh
[05:06] <Sanctusorium> My sound problems btw
[05:06] <Sanctusorium> http://pastebin.com/894364
[05:06] <Sanctusorium> er
[05:06] <Sanctusorium> info
[05:07] <Sanctusorium> ooo
[05:07] <Sanctusorium> SOme of these screenshots look pretty
[05:08] <Jester45> i like using my mouse as a hammer to smash windows that arent doing what i want them to do
[05:09] <Sanctusorium> XD
[05:09] <Sanctusorium> Wow
[05:09] <crimsun> waiting for pastebin.com sure is fun...
[05:09] <Sanctusorium> This video looks like Vista...  Except coller
[05:09] <Sanctusorium> Yeah >.<
[05:09] <crimsun> (next time please use paste.ubuntu-nl.org or pastebin.ca)
[05:09] <Jester45> beryl was way way b4 vista
[05:09] <Jester45> vista copied beryl
[05:09] <Sanctusorium> Alright
[05:10] <Sanctusorium> .com is really slow...  didn't know of the alternitives
[05:10] <Jester45> thats the thing i hate the most about vista
[05:10] <crimsun> Sanctusorium: asoundconf set-default-card CA0106
[05:10] <crimsun> Sanctusorium: then restart your multimedia apps
[05:11] <Jester45> they are like look its new cool and you can bend your windows :0
[05:12] <Sanctusorium> Dont have any multimedia programs open atm...
[05:12] <Sanctusorium> Just entered the command into shell...
[05:12] <Jester45> well im going
[05:12] <Jester45> bye bye
[05:12] <Sanctusorium> Later
[05:12] <crimsun> Sanctusorium: now, is ``aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'' audible?
[05:13] <Sanctusorium> Nope... Not getting any thing
[05:13] <Athensman> well this cd is good
[05:13] <Athensman> it wanted to install in my other machine
[05:13] <crimsun> Sanctusorium: pastebin ``amixer''
[05:13] <Sanctusorium> Should I restart the GUI?
[05:14] <Athensman> makes no since
[05:14] <Sanctusorium> Athens, yeah, I know how you feel =/
[05:16] <Sanctusorium> Ok
[05:16] <Sanctusorium> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.ca/383171
[05:19] <crimsun> amixer set 'Analog Center/LFE' 80%,80% && amixer set 'Analog Rear' 80%,80% && amixer set 'Analog Side' 80%,80%
[05:21] <Sanctusorium> It works now...  One the multimedia progrmas (Firefox) decided to hang and look like it was closed.
[05:21] <Sanctusorium> I closed it and now I got sound!
[05:21] <Sanctusorium> Thanks a lot!
[05:22] <Sanctusorium> Sorry for making you dig through the other amixer stuff =/
[05:22] <Athensman> besides booting from a cd is there any other way
[05:22] <Sanctusorium> Eh....
[05:22] <Sanctusorium> None that I know of.
[05:22] <crimsun> Sanctusorium: ok
[05:24] <Sanctusorium> Another question...  Linux can READ NTFS just fine, cant it?
[05:24] <Sanctusorium> I know writting is out of the question.
[05:24] <R[a] ndom> writing isnt out of the question
[05:24] <R[a] ndom> there are implementations that mostly work, and supposedly never screw up
[05:24] <R[a] ndom> like they know when they arent able to write
[05:26] <Sanctusorium> Really?
[05:26] <Sanctusorium> Niiice
[05:26] <crimsun> feisty contains ntfs3g 1.0, and I've been writing to NTFS just fine.
[05:26] <Sanctusorium> wow
[05:26] <R[a] ndom> progress :)
[05:27] <Sanctusorium> I had people tell me NTFS couldnt be written to =b
[05:27] <R[a] ndom> thats how it was not too long ago.
[05:27] <R[a] ndom> :P
[05:27] <Sanctusorium> Ah.
[05:27] <Sanctusorium> Well...  I had this told to me months ago
[05:27] <Sanctusorium> =b
[05:27] <Sanctusorium> Like, back in October/ November
[05:27] <Sanctusorium> Well
[05:28] <Sanctusorium> I shall have FULL access to my computer from Linux I believe
[05:29] <R[a] ndom> yeah access to your files can be a real hold-back at the beginning
[05:30] <R[a] ndom> I remember I had like 80gbs of mp3s back in windows at the time I switched, heh
[05:30] <Sanctusorium> Hmmm  That sounds familiar <_<
[05:30] <R[a] ndom> well then youll be fine
[05:30] <Sanctusorium> My *cough* 60
[05:30] <R[a] ndom> 4 years and 1tb later I'm happy :)
[05:30] <Sanctusorium> ...
[05:30] <R[a] ndom> 1tb != all mp3 tho. lolz
[05:31] <Sanctusorium> oh
[05:31] <Sanctusorium> About to say
[05:31] <Sanctusorium> lol
[05:31] <R[a] ndom> iunno, some people do it
[05:31] <R[a] ndom> I was looking at the top 10 on oink, and there are a couple
[05:31] <Sanctusorium> They must like ALL music there is
[05:31] <Sanctusorium> Or want to archive all music there is
[05:31] <R[a] ndom> 	kibakiba	2.71 TB	43.90 KB/s	3.46 TB	55.99 KB/s	0.78	2005-01-26 (109 weeks ago)
[05:31] <Sanctusorium> Or both
[05:31] <R[a] ndom> thats 3.46 downloaded in 109 weeks
[05:31] <R[a] ndom> huuge
[05:31] <R[a] ndom> heh
[05:32] <Sanctusorium> As I become more and more acustom to this whole linux thing, the more I like it :D
[05:32] <Sanctusorium> <_<  I hope flash player works
[05:33] <Sanctusorium> I AUtomatix'd it with some java... but lets see
[05:33] <Athensman> i thoguth it might had been my cd-rom so i changed it and still nothing :(
[05:33] <Sanctusorium> w00t
[05:33] <R[a] ndom> should work
[05:33] <R[a] ndom> automatix is pretty reliable
[05:34] <Sanctusorium> Pandora loads up like a charm :D
[05:34] <Sanctusorium> And Athens, again, your probem was mine to the exact right now.
[05:34] <Sanctusorium> ;.;
[05:34] <Sanctusorium> I think it should be reported or some thing.
[05:34] <Athensman> and if i cant get this install to work then what
[05:35] <R[a] ndom> whats happening?
[05:35] <Sanctusorium> Try Ubuntu
[05:35] <R[a] ndom> ubuntu == xubuntu
[05:35] <R[a] ndom> xfce is the only package different
[05:35] <R[a] ndom> ok, its a meta package
[05:35] <Sanctusorium> He needs xfce
[05:36] <Athensman> i will try this desktop one first
[05:36] <Sanctusorium> Hes running a low end PC
[05:36] <Sanctusorium> But...  His CDs wont load
[05:36] <tonyyarusso> When did XFCE get added to main?
[05:36] <Sanctusorium> It will boot up
[05:36] <R[a] ndom> hm?
[05:36] <Sanctusorium> get to a black screen...  and try to load..
[05:37] <R[a] ndom> like the install cd?
[05:37] <Sanctusorium> I believe so.
[05:37] <Sanctusorium> He can tell you better than I.
[05:37] <Athensman> i bott the live cd
[05:37] <Athensman> boot
[05:37] <Athensman> and it seems to try to install
[05:37] <Sanctusorium> Alternate version, correct?
[05:37] <Athensman> it stays at the main screen for about 10 min
[05:37] <R[a] ndom> alternate version is the non-live one
[05:37] <Athensman> then the screen goes black and all i see a is a blinking _
[05:38] <Athensman> i am downloading the desktop u told me to download
[05:38] <Sanctusorium> Yeah
[05:38] <Sanctusorium> Thats the live
[05:38] <Sanctusorium> He had the alternate
[05:38] <R[a] ndom> did you check the hash on the iso before burning?
[05:38] <Sanctusorium> It works on other PCS
[05:38] <R[a] ndom> oh
[05:38] <R[a] ndom> still?
[05:39] <Sanctusorium> Its almost the EXACT same problem I had
[05:39] <Sanctusorium> I got ubuntu...
[05:39] <R[a] ndom> and it worked?
[05:39] <Sanctusorium> The live CD
[05:39] <Sanctusorium> Nope..
[05:39] <R[a] ndom> oh
[05:39] <R[a] ndom> heh
[05:39] <Sanctusorium> Booted it up
[05:39] <R[a] ndom> fd706420fb2c1529707658ba43e9554a  xubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso
[05:39] <R[a] ndom> theres the md5 btw
[05:40] <Sanctusorium> It got to a pink screen
[05:40] <Sanctusorium> with a mouse arrow
[05:40] <Sanctusorium> And just sat there
[05:40] <R[a] ndom> huh
[05:40] <R[a] ndom> that happened to me with a few distros back in the day
[05:40] <Sanctusorium> Tried it on a different computer and BOOM  loaded up in notime
[05:40] <R[a] ndom> I just used others :P
[05:40] <Sanctusorium> Yep
[05:40] <Sanctusorium> I just used Kubuntu
[05:41] <Sanctusorium> Worked fine
[05:41] <R[a] ndom> then did you sudo apt get install xubuntu-desktop
[05:41] <R[a] ndom> apt-get
[05:41] <Sanctusorium> Switched to Xubuntu because a friend because he knew it better
[05:41] <Sanctusorium> and he could help me
[05:41] <Sanctusorium> Nope, just compleatly reinstalled XD
[05:42] <R[a] ndom> heh
[05:42] <Sanctusorium> DIdn't know one could change that easily
[05:42] <Athensman> R[a] ndom any ideas?
[05:42] <R[a] ndom> nah, sorry man.
[05:42] <R[a] ndom> the live cd might help tho
[05:43] <R[a] ndom> as its pretty different
[05:43] <Athensman> desktop i386???
[05:43] <Sanctusorium> Yep
[05:43] <R[a] ndom> thats the live cd yeah
[05:43] <Athensman> well fixing to burn it
[05:43] <Sanctusorium> Alright
[05:43] <R[a] ndom> thats the 'normal' installer
[05:43] <Sanctusorium> If it doesnt work...
[05:43] <R[a] ndom> the one you had was the old one
[05:43] <Sanctusorium> Try Ubuntu
[05:43] <Athensman> brb
[05:43] <Sanctusorium> Ok
[05:43] <Sanctusorium> Oh
[05:44] <Sanctusorium> R[a] ndom, how do I get the NTFS read/writter?
[05:44] <R[a] ndom> iunno
[05:44] <R[a] ndom> !ntfs
[05:44] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:44] <R[a] ndom> niice
[05:44] <R[a] ndom> !ntfs-3g
[05:44] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution.   A search engin thats a program.  It searches ALL the torrent sites...
[05:49] <Sanctusorium> At once
[05:49] <Athensman> do u have a torrent link for ubuntu
[05:49] <Sanctusorium> all in one little program
[05:49] <R[a] ndom> oh, I used to use torrentscan or something, some website
[05:49] <R[a] ndom> now I use private sites :P
[05:50] <Sanctusorium> Let me get it Athens
[05:50] <Athensman> just in case
[05:50] <R[a] ndom> but it might work under wine
[05:50] <Sanctusorium> http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//6.06/ubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[05:51] <Sanctusorium> <__<
[05:51] <Sanctusorium> Nine Inch Nails for the win
[05:51] <Sanctusorium> Yeah...   And not try for antther 6 months
[05:53] <Athensman> i am downloading ubuntu
[05:53] <Sanctusorium> Ok
[05:53] <R[a] ndom> it took me four years to convert after I first downloaded nix
[05:53] <R[a] ndom> tho the first time was some version of slackware downloaded on a 33.6
[05:54] <R[a] ndom> I couldnt even get x configured :P
[05:54] <Sanctusorium> If it wasnt for Ubuntu, I think I would be SCREWED
[05:54] <R[a] ndom> beh not at all
[05:54] <R[a] ndom> lots of great distros
[05:54] <Sanctusorium> Actually K/Xubuntu
[05:54] <Athensman> what if this one dont install
[05:54] <R[a] ndom> Mandrake (Mandriva) was really nice to me when I started
[05:54] <R[a] ndom> fedora core is great
[05:55] <R[a] ndom> suse is sposedly good
[05:55] <R[a] ndom> etc
[05:55] <Sanctusorium> Mandriva was my first
[05:55] <Sanctusorium> But it HATED my wireless card
[05:55] <Athensman> what if this one dont install
[05:55] <Sanctusorium> I would suggest
[05:55] <R[a] ndom> I've yet to own a wireless card.
[05:55] <Sanctusorium> a different distro
[05:55] <Sanctusorium> SOme thing not ubuntu
[05:55] <R[a] ndom> I'm sure ubuntu could work
[05:55] <Sanctusorium> Mandriva actually.
[05:55] <R[a] ndom> but you'd have to muck with it.. depends if you want to try.
[05:56] <R[a] ndom> I'm sure someone here will help if you want to
[05:56] <R[a] ndom> its just not us ;)
[05:56] <Athensman> i just want a distro that is real easy to use
[05:56] <Sanctusorium> Yeah... Not me because I just started linux yesterday XD
[05:57] <R[a] ndom> me because I need to leave right now.. should be asleep :x
[05:57] <Sanctusorium> Night
[05:57] <R[sleeping] ndom> cya
[05:58] <Sanctusorium> Nice talking with you ;D
[05:58] <R[sleeping] ndom> I'll be around
[05:58] <Sanctusorium> So will I...
[06:11] <Shaezsche> i installed a cpufreq utility and i executed the command "sudu chmod +s /usr/bin/xfce4-panel" because i thought this would allow me to change the governor from the applet on the panel. It didnt work, and now my desktop wont load. How can i undo what i did?
[06:12] <Shaezsche> I assumed this command was similiar to ubuntu's "sudo dpkg reconfigure gnome-applets" command
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> Shaezsche: -s
[06:13] <Shaezsche> oh, good idea
[06:13] <Shaezsche> heh
[06:14] <Shaezsche> are you sure thats all i need to do?
[06:14] <Shaezsche> also, how can i set the applet to allow users to change govenors?
[06:14] <Shaezsche> http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-cpufreq-plugin im using this
[06:16] <tonyyarusso> not sure
[06:20] <Sanctusorium> yey for apt-get upgrade
[07:35] <bigfuzzylappy> guess who got a thinkpad t41
[07:35] <BFTD> haha
[07:35] <mark487> nice
[07:35] <BFTD> MY
[07:35] <BFTD> ME
[07:36] <bigfuzzylappy> mark487, me+t41=love
[07:36] <mark487> what're it's specs?
[07:37] <mark487> oops, what're its specs?
[07:37] <crimsun> I have an X41-2527
[07:37] <bigfuzzylappy> 1.6ghz pentium mobile, 1 gig of ram, 60 gb hd, bluetoof, wifi, infared, usual imb goodery, radeon 7500
[07:37] <crimsun> it's pretty nice, though I could use a larger screen and prolonged battery life
[07:38] <bigfuzzylappy> it was only 600 on fleabay so i had to get it :)
[07:39] <bigfuzzylappy> mark487, ^
[07:40] <bigfuzzylappy> crimsun, yeah, i havent really used my batterys at all, im not mobile yet :( , too busy setting everything up via ethernet
[11:47] <__Krush> Can I run growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /home but the DVD drive is on another machine?
[03:59] <Kasplatt> Can't anyone here help me get a theme working ?
[04:00] <Brendan1> Is there a way to get all upgrades except kernel upgrades, and just always hold back the kernel upgrades?
[04:05] <TheSheep> Brendan1: try "man apt.conf"
[04:07] <Kasplatt> Where is the file that tells it where to load themes from ?
[04:08] <Kasplatt> I added the theme-folder to /usr/share/themes (where the other themes are) and it doesn't show up on the (User Interface Settings) themes chooser.
[04:08] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: it checks the files in there, there is no file with a list
[04:08] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: make sure there is a grkrc file in there
[04:13] <Kasplatt> TheSheep: there is a themerc file in there
[04:15] <Kasplatt> TheSheep: Just rename it to grkrc ?
[04:20] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: no
[04:21] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: apparently it's not a gtk theme
[04:21] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: check if it didn't appear in the window decorations themes
[04:21] <Kasplatt> no.. it's an xfce theme
[04:21] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: xfce theme == window decoration theme
[04:22] <Kasplatt> TheSheep: okay, thanks. But where do I find that ?
[04:22] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: settings -> window manager settings->theme
[04:22] <TheSheep> sorry, it's called "style"
[04:22] <TheSheep> :)
[04:22] <Kasplatt> okay, thanks :)
[04:25] <Kasplatt> brb
[04:26] <Kasplatt> TheSheep, I don't think it works with beryl.
[04:27] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: true, it's an xfce theme, for xfwm4, not Beryl one :)
[04:29] <Kasplatt> TheSheep, but it only changes what the "frames" look like... right ?
[04:30] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: yes
[04:30] <Kasplatt> TheSheep, GTK2 themes change the "rest" ?
[04:31] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: right
[04:32] <Kasplatt> TheSheep, I downloaded a GTK2 theme also, but it only  contained *one*file
[04:34] <Kasplatt> gfkce or whatever it was.
[04:40] <Guard] [an> hi
[04:40] <Guard] [an> does xubuntu offer something to browse windows shares ?
[04:40] <TheSheep> Guard] [an: no, you need a separate program for that
[04:40] <Guard] [an> which ?
[04:41] <TheSheep> many of them, try pyneighbourhood maybe
[04:42] <Guard] [an> hmm ok
[04:42] <Guard] [an> i expected it to be integrated into thunar :(
[04:43] <TheSheep> Guard] [an: no chances
[04:43] <Kasplatt> for unzipping a file it is : tar or zip ? it's a .zip directory
[04:43] <TheSheep> Guard] [an: you can use smbfs to mount a windows share as part of your filesystem, though
[04:43] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: unzip
[04:43] <Guard] [an> yeah that's what i'll do
[04:43] <Kasplatt> sudo unzip ?
[04:43] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: why sudo?
[04:44] <Kasplatt> need to unzip it to a root directory
[04:44] <Kasplatt> /usr/share/themes/
[04:44] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: best just run "gksu Thunar"
[04:44] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: and do the rest with it
[04:45] <Kasplatt> gksu ?
[04:45] <TheSheep> Kasplatt: graphical version of sudo
[04:45] <Kasplatt> ah, thanks
[04:45] <grazie> Kasplatt: you could also keep your themes locally in ~/.themes
[04:46] <Kasplatt> grazie, : like desktop/themes ?
[04:46] <grazie> yes
[04:46] <Kasplatt> okay, that would make it a hell of a lot easier.
[04:46] <grazie> your choice
[04:46] <Kasplatt> does linux find them automatically then ?
[04:47] <grazie> xfce...yes
[04:49] <Kasplatt> okay, thanks a lot
[04:50] <Kasplatt> grazie, do I need to do anything to update it or something ?
[04:51] <Kasplatt> it contains ONE file called gtkrc
[04:52] <grazie> Kasplatt: a theme with just 1 file doesn't seem correct
[04:52] <Kasplatt> no, that's what I thought too.
[04:53] <grazie> what it called and where did you get it?
[04:53] <Kasplatt> but it seems like it just changes the button layout
[04:53] <Kasplatt> Murrina-Everest from Xfce-Look.org
[04:55] <Kasplatt> grazie, what are compiz themes ?
[04:57] <grazie> themes for compiz I suppose
[04:57] <Kasplatt> and compiz is a linux distro ?
[04:57] <Guard] [an> about compiz
[04:57] <Guard] [an> is there a way to make the xfce pager working ?
[04:58] <grazie> !compiz | Kasplatt
[04:58] <ubotu> Kasplatt: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:59] <Kasplatt> Okay, thanks
[05:00] <grazie> Kasplatt: that theme does have just 1 fie....I suspect it may have been zipped up incorrectly...contact the author or try another
[05:01] <Kasplatt> I'll try another then.
[05:04] <Kasplatt> grazie, the one I downloaded now contained 3 files
[05:07] <Kasplatt> grazie, I choose them through: Applications -> Settings -> User Interface Settings... Right ?
[05:07] <kalikiana> Guard] [an, if it were Beryl, you could define the number of desktops in Beryl Settings; maybe Compiz has something similar?
[05:08] <Guard] [an> it is beryl in fact
[05:08] <Guard] [an> it's the applet in the panel that is fucked up
[05:09] <grazie> !language | Guard] [an
[05:09] <ubotu> Guard] [an: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:09] <grazie> Kasplatt: yes
[05:09] <Guard] [an> language ? you're kidding ...
[05:09] <grazie> Guard] [an: no
[05:10] <kalikiana> Guard] [an, <Guard] [an> is there a way to make the xfce pager working ? => So I meant look in the Settings
[05:10] <Guard] [an> i did not insult anyone
[05:10] <kalikiana> Guard] [an, "f*****" is a swear word
[05:10] <psb154> Guard] [an its a bot dont worry.
[05:11] <Guard] [an> kalikiana : i seem to have the correct number of desktops, rotating the cube works but the applet does not display the 4 previews correclty
[05:12] <psb154> ls
[05:12] <Kasplatt> brb
[05:15] <kalikiana> Guard] [an, if setting number of desks, vertical and horizontal doesn't work i have no idea; that's what it did for me.
[05:16] <Guard] [an> kalikiana : does it work for you ?
[05:16] <Guard] [an> do you have 4 nice squares previewing the desktops ?
[05:17] <Guard] [an> i don't see where in beryl settings you configure that :(
[05:18] <kalikiana> I have two desktops, but after I set it in Beryl Settings the pager works.
[05:19] <kalikiana> However I don't use Beryl regularly, only occasionally for testing if it's gotten more stable.
[05:19] <kalikiana> Still there are too many annoyances for me.
[05:23] <Guard] [an> nice
[05:23] <Guard] [an> now it works
[05:23] <Guard] [an> same here i don't use it regularly
[05:23] <Kasplatt> Does wine launch with the "wine" command in the terminal ?
[05:23] <Guard] [an> it's "wine something.exe"
[05:23] <Guard] [an> from the command line
[05:24] <Kasplatt> not just "wine" in the terminal ?
[05:24] <Guard] [an> no
[05:25] <Guard] [an> just "$>wine" displays the program usage
[05:25] <Kasplatt> Guard] [an, what is the launc command thne ?
[05:25] <Kasplatt> *then
[05:26] <Kasplatt> launching irssi is just "irssi" in terminal
[05:26] <Guard] [an> which launch command ?
[05:26] <Guard] [an> what do you expect to have launching "wine" only ?
[05:26] <Kasplatt> wine...
[05:26] <Kasplatt> I need to launch a Windows app now
[05:27] <Guard] [an> wine is not something by itself ...
[05:27] <Guard] [an> wine is to launch windows applications
[05:27] <Kasplatt> It's a windows "emulator"
[05:27] <Guard] [an> so for isntance you do "wine wow.exe"
[05:27] <Guard] [an> "wine minesweeper.exe"
[05:27] <Guard] [an> etc
[05:27] <Kasplatt> ahh... okay. thanks
[05:27] <Guard] [an> it's not an emulator
[05:27] <massctrl> how can I get a list of all installed packages in bash?
[05:27] <grazie> :)
[05:27] <Guard] [an> wine stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator"
[05:28] <Sanctusorium> seriously?
[05:28] <Sanctusorium> Thats great
[05:28] <Guard] [an> it's not emulating anything
[05:28] <MattJ> massctrl: dpkg -l
[05:28] <Guard] [an> it just implements the windows api as linux libraries
[05:28] <Guard] [an> and it is able to run the code inside a .exe file
[05:29] <Guard] [an> and relocate function calls to the proper libraries
[05:29] <Guard] [an> (roughly)
[05:29] <Sanctusorium> I SO thought it was an emu <___<  Shows how much I know.
[05:29] <massctrl> ok i'm new to debian+variants, what is concidered to be the preferred package management? apt* dpkg aptitude ?
[05:29] <Sanctusorium> (Started using Linux on sunday <_<)
[05:29] <Guard] [an> :)
[05:29] <MattJ> massctrl: I would say aptitude
[05:30] <grazie> massctrl: synaptic is a gui interface...good for searching etc
[05:31] <Sanctusorium> Hmmm  I got a question about the Panel...  I want to make it look more...  Interesting.  Do some cosmetic make over with it...  How would I go about doing that?
[05:32] <Sanctusorium> I got beryl installed and working, but I dont THINK it messes with the panel...
[05:32] <Sanctusorium> I want to make it OSX like
[05:33] <psb154> OS... what?
[05:34] <Sanctusorium> Its the newest Mac OS.
[05:34] <psb154> newest what OS?
[05:34] <Sanctusorium> The computers made by Apple...
[05:34] <psb154> By who?
[05:34] <Sanctusorium> o.0;
[05:35] <grazie> Sanctusorium: you want some kind of dock?
[05:35] <Sanctusorium> Dock?  It sounds right =b
[05:36] <grazie> Not sure there's a dock app readilly avaible in the repos...adding one to xubuntu will need a bit of effort
[05:37] <TheSheep> Sanctusorium: you can read about gtk themes and then style the panel with gtk
[05:37] <TheSheep> Sanctusorium: put some bitmap on it or something
[05:38] <Sanctusorium> Ah... Ok.
[05:38] <TheSheep> Sanctusorium: besides that, the panel is mostly a pragmatic app
[05:39] <Sanctusorium> Yeah....  I at LEAST want to change the color.  This grey is making me feel Windows 2k and lower D:
[05:39] <TheSheep> Sanctusorium: here's a tutorial: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes
[05:39] <Sanctusorium> Ok...  I found a site.
[05:39] <Sanctusorium> ALright
[05:40] <Sanctusorium> It works of XFCE too?
[05:40] <Sanctusorium> *for
[05:40] <TheSheep> Sanctusorium: yes, in any gtk-based application
[05:40] <Sanctusorium> Awsome :D
[05:40] <TheSheep> Sanctusorium: you might need to know the widget names, however
[05:41] <TheSheep> Sanctusorium: which *might* involve ether asking a dev or looking into the source
[05:42] <Sanctusorium> Alright..  I am willing to try anything really.
[05:42] <Sanctusorium> I am just playing with Linux right now
[05:42] <Sanctusorium> If it breaks, meh.
[05:43] <TheSheep> :)
[05:43] <Sanctusorium> Thats what my windows backup is for (burning a new linux boot disc) =)
[05:43] <TheSheep> nah, livecd can do that
[05:44] <Sanctusorium> I gave mine away...
[05:44] <Sanctusorium> Spreading linux like it was free...
[05:45] <Sanctusorium> oh...
[05:45] <Sanctusorium> wait.
[05:45] <Sanctusorium> ;)
[05:46] <TheSheep> Sanctusorium: then how are you going to recover your bootsector when windows foobars it?
[05:46] <Sanctusorium> When Windows whats it?
[05:47] <grazie> foobar is linux technical term :)
[05:48] <Sanctusorium> Meaning?
[05:48] <TheSheep> yeahm general linux technical term
[05:48] <TheSheep> nothing, just a general technical term ;)
[05:48] <Sanctusorium> XD
[05:49] <Sanctusorium> Anyway..
[05:49] <Sanctusorium> I got Windows to dual boot right now
[05:49] <Sanctusorium> I can get in it just fine =b
[05:57] <Sanctusorium> Gotta head to school.
[05:57] <Sanctusorium> Later
[06:35] <Shaezsche> i installed this cpufreq monitoring utility that is supposed to allow users to change the governor for scaling. Problem is you need to set permissions to do this. In ubuntu there is something similiar and you "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets" to allow this. Any idea how to do this with this prog? http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-cpufreq-plugin
[06:35] <Shaezsche> i want to be able to change the governor from the panel icon
[06:55] <tonyyarusso> Why does Xubuntu use GDM instead of XDM?
[06:56] <grazie> tonyyarusso: I suppose because the xubuntu creators preferred gdm
[06:56] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: mainly beacuse of accessibility issues
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: Ah, that makes sense
[06:57] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: also because they managed to clear gdm of gnome library dependencies
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> So I've noticed - it gets confused if no DE is installed, btw.
[06:57] <TheSheep> !bugs | tonyyarusso
[06:57] <ubotu> tonyyarusso: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:58] <TheSheep> :)
[06:58] <tonyyarusso> hehe, yeah.
[06:58] <tonyyarusso> GDM's probably too heavy for this box though :(
[06:59] <tonyyarusso> I'm considering trying to compile Slim for it instead
[07:00] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: if it's a single-user computer, you might consider skipping the login entirely and just running X with sudo
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: Little boot script action?  Perhaps.  I don't know that it will be single user though.
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: They're being sold/given away, so it's hard to say who the end user will be exactly
[07:02] <grazie> tonyyarusso: have you not been able to find a slim .deb package?
[07:02] <tonyyarusso> grazie: I'm not sure yet.  It's not in the repos; I'm checking their developer site now.
[07:03] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: see the debian repos :)
[07:04] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: Really?  Wonder why we don't have it then
[07:04] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: I don't know, but it's a good place to check
[07:06] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: Ah, they don't.  :(
[07:08] <tonyyarusso> It's GPLv2 thought
[07:08] <tonyyarusso> though
[07:27] <Shaezsche> i installed this cpufreq monitoring utility that is supposed to allow users to change the governor for scaling. Problem is you need to set permissions to do this. In ubuntu there is something similiar and you "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets" to allow this. Any idea how to do this with this prog? http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-cpufreq-plugin
[07:27] <Shaezsche> i want to be able to change the governor from the panel icon
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> what does xfce use for menu editing?  (like alacarte in gnome)
[07:30] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: xfce4-menu-editor
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: ty
[07:31] <TheSheep> sorry, no second hyphen
[07:33] <Shaezsche> how can i change the default governor when running on ac from Ondemand to Conservative
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: is that not default?
[07:36] <grazie> tonyyarusso: Also, to add/change/remove elements of the system menu also look at /usr/share/applications/*.desktop files
[07:36] <grazie> tonyyarusso: default?
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> grazie: nvm, I was looking for a package, not just a command
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> Man, it would be helpful to have a vanilla Xubuntu so I knew what came with it.
[07:38] <grazie> tonyyarusso: if it's not in xfce4 I suppose it must be in xfce4-goodies
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> What's the music player in xubuntu-desktop?
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> grazie: it's in xfdesktop4
[07:39] <grazie> k
[07:40] <grazie> tonyyarusso: I think gxine is the default media player
[07:40] <tonyyarusso> grazie: ah, yep
[07:52] <Kasplatt> how do I download the tahoma font ?
[07:53] <ephemeros> what's the flag for the `find` command to override the "Permission Denied" warnings?
[07:53] <BFTD> Kasplatt google it
[07:53] <Kasplatt> ....
[07:53] <Kasplatt> okay
[07:54] <BFTD> yeah
[07:54] <Kasplatt> BFTD, where do I put it afterwards ?
[07:54] <BFTD> what's this for?
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> !fonts | Kasplatt
[07:56] <ubotu> Kasplatt: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:56] <Kasplatt> BFTD, running Counter-Strike on Wine
[07:56] <Kasplatt> do I need gecko or something ?
[07:56] <BFTD> Kasplatt thats what I do
[07:56] <Kasplatt> BFTD, :gecko ?
[07:56] <BFTD> Kasplatt put it in .wine/drive_c/windows/fonts
[07:57] <Kasplatt> BFTD, : okay thanks
[07:57] <BFTD> Kasplatt no, but if you did wine will install it
[07:57] <Kasplatt> BFTD, : CounterStrike runs fine, but the fonts aren't there.
[07:59] <BFTD> oh
[07:59] <BFTD> then you're gonna have to reinstall wine
[07:59] <BFTD> :/
[07:59] <BFTD> or
[07:59] <BFTD> last I did it I had too
[07:59] <BFTD> they fixed ALOT in the last 2 versions
[08:00] <Kasplatt> BFTD, : I just downloaded it yesterday... I'm just downloading the Tahoma font right now.
[08:00] <BFTD> oh
[08:00] <BFTD> wait
[08:00] <BFTD> it should work
[08:00] <BFTD> yeah
[08:00] <BFTD> just fine
[08:00] <BFTD> did you install fontforge?
[08:00] <Kasplatt> BFTD, : I can't find the font thing...
[08:01] <BFTD> !fontforge
[08:01] <ubotu> fontforge: Font Editor for PS, TrueType and OpenType fonts. In component main, is optional. Version 0.0.20060703.1-1 (edgy), package size 3119 kB, installed size 9176 kB
[08:01] <Kasplatt> BFTD, : no
[08:01] <BFTD> oh
[08:01] <BFTD> you're gonna need to install that
[08:01] <Kasplatt> /usr/share/fonts ?
[08:01] <Kasplatt> why ? can't I just place it ther e?
[08:02] <Kasplatt> * there
[08:02] <BFTD> wine won't use it
[08:03] <BFTD> http://joselizana.googlepages.com/tahoma.ttf
[08:03] <Kasplatt> how do I enter .wine/drive_c/windows/fonts ?
[08:03] <BFTD> cd ~/.wine/c_drive/Program\ Files/
[08:03] <BFTD> wget http://downloads.transgaming.com/mozilla_control_downloads/mozcontrol.tgz
[08:03] <BFTD> tar -zxvf mozcontrol.tgz && rm mozcontrol.tgz
[08:03] <BFTD> cd mozcontrol/ && wine regsvr32 mozctlx.dll
[08:03] <BFTD> cd ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts
[08:03] <Kasplatt> mozcontrol ?
[08:03] <BFTD> yeah
[08:03] <BFTD> you'll need it
[08:04] <Kasplatt> what's that ?
[08:04] <BFTD> also its drive_c not c_drive
[08:04] <BFTD> it helps Steam run
[08:04] <Kasplatt> BFTD, : it's non-steam
[08:04] <BFTD> oh
[08:04] <Kasplatt> Only problem is that I don't have the tahoma font
[08:04] <Kasplatt> I can even join games
[08:04] <BFTD> cd ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts
[08:04] <BFTD> Kasplatt you need steam then
[08:04] <BFTD> wget http://steampowered.com/download/SteamInstall.exe
[08:04] <BFTD> wine SteamInstall.exe
[08:05] <Kasplatt> BFTD, : I don't want steam.
[08:05] <BFTD> then you can't play others
[08:05] <BFTD> :/
[08:05] <Kasplatt> play others what?
[08:05] <Kasplatt> I can join LAN games.
[08:06] <BFTD> play others online
[08:06] <Kasplatt> I'm just playing offline
[08:06] <BFTD> then you should be fine
[08:06] <Kasplatt> BFTD,  what do I do after cd ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts ?
[08:07] <BFTD> ok
[08:07] <BFTD> where did you download the font too>
[08:07] <BFTD> ?
[08:07] <Kasplatt> nowhere.
[08:07] <BFTD> http://joselizana.googlepages.com/tahoma.ttf
[08:07] <BFTD> download it
[08:07] <Kasplatt> is that the font tool ?
[08:07] <BFTD> that's the font
[08:07] <Kasplatt> oh... I already got the font
[08:07] <Kasplatt> I thought you said tool
[08:07] <BFTD> ok
[08:07] <BFTD> now where is it located atm?
[08:08] <Kasplatt> sec.
[08:08] <Kasplatt> on the desktop
[08:08] <tonyyarusso> Hmm, is Epiphany much lighter than Firefox?
[08:09] <BFTD> cp ~/Desktop/tahoma.ttf ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts/
[08:09] <BFTD> Kasplatt
[08:09] <BFTD> use that command
[08:10] <BFTD> tonyyarusso yes
[08:10] <tonyyarusso> BFTD: Thanks.  Probably a good idea then.
[08:12] <Kasplatt> think it worked.
[08:12] <Kasplatt> now everything should be okay ?
[08:12] <tonyyarusso> Aww man...I can't access archive.ubuntu.com again
[08:12] <Kasplatt> BFTD
[08:13] <Kasplatt> everything should be okay now ?
[08:13] <Kasplatt> g2g
[08:13] <lordmaynoth_> hello
[08:14] <lordmaynoth_> I am thinking of switching to xubuntu
[08:14] <lordmaynoth_> when edgy comes out
[08:14] <lordmaynoth_> is there anything I need know about the differences?
[08:14] <lordmaynoth_> are commands like sudo gedit still the same?
[08:14] <lordmaynoth_> gksu
[08:14] <lordmaynoth_> etc
[08:16] <BFTD> lordmaynoth_ edgy's been out for months, feisty you mean?
[08:16] <lordmaynoth_> my bad
[08:16] <lordmaynoth_> lol
[08:17] <lordmaynoth_> *DOH*
[08:17] <lordmaynoth_> Feisty
[08:17] <BFTD> yeah, core commands such as that will be the same
[08:18] <lordmaynoth_> cool
[08:19] <lordmaynoth_> if I install kdelibs for ktorrent will it add to my ram usage when I am not using ktorrent?
[08:19] <BFTD> shouldn't
[08:21] <lordmaynoth_> sweet
[08:22] <lordmaynoth_> I hope the new xfce4.4.0 will be in feisty
[08:23] <tute666> it is
[08:23] <tute666> and works like shit.  pardon my french
[08:23] <ephemeros> lol
[08:23] <lordmaynoth_> LOL
[08:24] <lordmaynoth_> I will wait a few months then
[08:24] <lordmaynoth_> after feisty is released
[08:25] <lordmaynoth_> I am running a 2100+ AMD XP, 512mb ram, asus A7N266-C nforce1, 250GB Seagate SATA drive,
[08:26] <lordmaynoth_> do you think it would make a noticeable improvement on speed on that hardware?
[08:26] <BFTD> yeah
[08:32] <lordmaynoth_> sweet
[08:32] <lordmaynoth_> are there other things I can do to speed it up
[08:32] <lordmaynoth_> ?
[08:32] <BFTD> unplug it
[08:32] <BFTD> :P
[08:33] <BFTD> if all you want is speed
[08:33] <BFTD> try out JWM and IceWM
[08:34] <BFTD> also blackbox
[08:44] <lordmaynoth_> ya
[08:44] <lordmaynoth_> but those things are getting a little above my head
[09:17] <Prodoc> anyone know how to autostart the synergy client on xubuntu after login?
[09:18] <TheSheep> Prodoc: system->autostarted applications
[09:18] <Prodoc> I found this lengthy ubuntu tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynergyHowto but this applies to gnome and kde
[09:18] <TheSheep> or just try savign the session while it is running
[09:18] <Prodoc> TheSheep, that would be too easy
[09:20] <maxamillion> ;)
[09:20] <TheSheep> Prodoc: just use the gnome howto, and use that "autostarted applications" isntead of "System Menu->Preferences->Sessions, click the Startup Programs tab, click "Add" then just enter the Startup Command:"
[09:28] <Prodoc> many thanks TheSheep, the autostarted applications worked like a charm
[09:28] <TheSheep> great!
[09:29] <Prodoc> it a far too easy solution I didn't expect ;-)
[09:32] <MatBoy> Hi guys !
[09:32] <MatBoy> is there already a liveCD with 4.4 and Beryl in it ?
[09:34] <TheSheep> MatBoy: first time I hear something like that
[09:34] <TheSheep> MatBoy: there is Herd 5 Feisty, I think, for testing
[09:34] <MatBoy> TheSheep, why that ? other distro's have it too sometimes
[09:34] <maxamillion> MatBoy: there will never be a xubuntu livecd with beryl on it .... atleast not while i'm around
[09:34] <MatBoy> Dreamlinux has it too
[09:34] <MatBoy> maxamillion, ah ok
[09:35] <MatBoy> I would like to see if it works on 4 screens
[09:35] <R[coding] ndom> works great on 2
[09:35] <MatBoy> ah nice
[09:35] <R[coding] ndom> 4 might be hard on the video card + proc
[09:35] <maxamillion> MatBoy: its just too resource heavy for most users so we don't include it on the livecd, but it will always be optional once you install :)
[09:35] <R[coding] ndom> I run 2x19 at 3200x1200@85hz
[09:35] <MatBoy> R[coding] ndom, wow :) better than what I have
[09:36] <R[coding] ndom> I like my desktop big :P
[09:36] <MatBoy> I have 2x 19" WS on top of each other and 2x 17" next to it
[09:36] <R[coding] ndom> lcd I assume?
[09:36] <R[coding] ndom> I hope not..
[09:36] <MatBoy> tft indeed
[09:36] <R[coding] ndom> damn
[09:36] <R[coding] ndom> I wanted to see pics of stacked crts
[09:37] <MatBoy> what ?
[09:37] <MatBoy> hehe
[09:37] <R[coding] ndom> mine are trinitrons
[09:37] <MatBoy> I made my own bracker for the on-top-versions
[09:37] <R[coding] ndom> heat up the room noticeably
[09:37] <MatBoy> ah nice ones
[09:37] <MatBoy> hehe
[09:37] <R[coding] ndom> but the price was right.
[09:37] <R[coding] ndom> I got them used right when the tides were turning to flat panels
[09:37] <MatBoy> :)
[09:38] <MatBoy> ah, Acer is not that expensive too
[09:38] <R[coding] ndom> oh, so you know, beryl runs alright.  I get ~90fps doing random crap
[09:38] <R[coding] ndom> the cube brings er down to 14 fps tho
[09:38] <R[coding] ndom> and my processor usage is high.. sometimes up to 50%
[09:38] <R[coding] ndom> which is why I dont usually run beryl :/
[09:38] <MatBoy> My P4 3,2 already has a hard time on 4 screens
[09:38] <MatBoy> 2 is betetr performance
[09:38] <MatBoy> who
[09:39] <MatBoy> 50% of xorg ?
[09:39] <R[coding] ndom> yeah
[09:39] <MatBoy> here too sometimes
[09:39] <MatBoy> I'm on Debian now
[09:39] <R[coding] ndom> on beryl?
[09:39] <R[coding] ndom> or normal?
[09:39] <MatBoy> sometimes I get 80%, but with XFCE everything is better
[09:39] <MatBoy> normal
[09:39] <R[coding] ndom> wow.
[09:39] <MatBoy> I need more mem
[09:39] <MatBoy> I haver 2GB now
[09:39] <MatBoy> -r
[09:40] <R[coding] ndom> I idle at 2-3% usually
[09:40] <MatBoy> and my windows VM needs some more
[09:40] <R[coding] ndom> 1gb here :/
[09:40] <MatBoy> yeah, but 2 mon is the performance limit
[09:40] <MatBoy> above... damn slower
[09:40] <R[coding] ndom> hm.  I used to run 3, but they were tiny
[09:40] <R[coding] ndom> 3x 14s
[09:40] <MatBoy> hehe
[09:40] <MatBoy> controlroom :P
[09:41] <R[coding] ndom> if I had the money, I'd love to have a third 19" trinitron
[09:41] <R[coding] ndom> so I could have a centre screen
[09:41] <R[coding] ndom> as it is its a touch awkward feeling
[09:41] <TheSheep> monochrome
[09:41] <MatBoy> hehe
[09:41] <TheSheep> would be perfect for mac mini
[09:42] <MatBoy> hehe
[09:45] <maxamillion> interesting .... there is a native code compilation of azereus done with gcj
[09:45] <maxamillion> !azereus-gcj
[09:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about azereus-gcj - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <maxamillion> !info azereus-gcj
[09:45] <R[coding] ndom> !azureus-gcj
[09:45] <ubotu> Package azereus-gcj does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[09:45] <maxamillion> what!@#$%!
[09:45] <ubotu> azureus-gcj: BitTorrent client (native code). In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 5137 kB, installed size 19068 kB
[09:45] <R[coding] ndom> spelling, my friend
[09:45] <maxamillion> lol ... rgr
[09:46] <Seveas> spelling, enemy of all maxamillions
[09:46] <maxamillion> that is is
[09:46] <maxamillion> hiya Seveas
[09:47] <R[coding] ndom> hm. I wonder
[09:47] <R[coding] ndom> !botsnack | maxamillion
[09:47] <ubotu> maxamillion: Yum!
[09:47] <R[coding] ndom> haha
[09:47] <maxamillion> :)
[09:50] <maxamillion> apparently the 64-bit package of that is broken
[09:57] <Vaksy> Hi there.
[09:57] <maxamillion> hello
[09:57] <tonyyarusso> Ulggh, this is slow going
[09:57] <R[coding] ndom> I love well written labs
[09:57] <R[coding] ndom> This command modifies the state machine such that the `0' (or `1') command applied to the current state will cause the machine to change to the named state and that this change is the state machine configuration will continue
[09:57] <R[coding] ndom> wtf?
[09:58] <Vaksy> I have xubuntu installed in my old laptop and I'm going to purchase and install a new Wlan card (or atleast trying to do that), so I was just wondering whether I can rely on ubuntu tech support pages though I'm using xubuntu?
[09:59] <TheSheep> R[coding] ndom: which word you don't understand? ;)
[09:59] <TheSheep> Vaksy: yes, xubuntu is identical to ubuntu under the hood
[09:59] <TheSheep> Vaksy: only uses different desktop and apps
[09:59] <TheSheep> Vaksy: but "internals" are the same
[09:59] <R[coding] ndom> "and that this change is the state machine configuration will continue"
[10:00] <Vaksy> Okay, I thought that too, but decided to confirm to avoid running around the city for nothing :)
[10:00] <TheSheep> R[coding] ndom: s/is/in
[10:00] <R[coding] ndom> still doesnt make sense
[10:00] <R[coding] ndom> like I get what they mean
[10:00] <R[coding] ndom> but it should be two sentences, and grammared up a notch
[10:00] <TheSheep> R[coding] ndom: well, the state machine will continue its operation in the conficguration with the new state included, ok?
[10:01] <TheSheep> or excluded
[10:01] <TheSheep> if you used 0
[10:01] <R[coding] ndom> actually it changes the destination state when a 0 or 1 is entered
[10:01] <R[coding] ndom> not that it really matters. heh
[10:02] <TheSheep> R[coding] ndom: ah, so it's deterministic?
[10:02] <R[coding] ndom> yeah
[10:03] <R[coding] ndom> if you really care
[10:03] <R[coding] ndom> http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~courses/coe428/labs/lab4.html
[10:03] <maxamillion> are we talking about a finite state automaton?
[10:04] <TheSheep> maxamillion: I hope so
[10:04] <TheSheep> maxamillion: because if we are talking about girls, then I'm a gay
[10:04] <maxamillion> i say "state ... 0 or 1" and then "deterministic" and tuned in
[10:04] <maxamillion> saw*
[10:04] <maxamillion> TheSheep: lol
[10:04] <TheSheep> (but I'm almost sure I'm not)
[10:06] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: light? ... i dunno about light, but it looks like a really good application
[10:06] <TheSheep> it's a re-implementation of Amarok, actually
[10:07] <maxamillion> in python and pyGTK right?
[10:07] <R[coding] ndom> re-implementation of lover amarok?
[10:07] <R[coding] ndom> where?
[10:07] <TheSheep> R[coding] ndom: she went that way -->
[10:07] <R[coding] ndom> I found 'er
[10:08] <tonyyarusso> maxamillion: Here's the scoop - I'm customizing my own version of xubuntu-desktop so to speak for a Pentium II, 128 meg RAM, 3-10 GB HD beigebox for sale in a thrift store to low-income, low-tech (never seen Linux) families/children, and need to make it both small and efficient and completely newbie-friendly.
[10:08] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: yeah ... exaile would be noob friendly
[10:08] <tonyyarusso> *beigeboxen
[10:08] <tonyyarusso> maxamillion: Looks like it - light enough for those specs you think?
[10:09] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: yeah, it will take a minute to load because its in python but other than that life will be good
[10:09] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: don't forget frozen/monkey bubble
[10:09] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: huh?
[10:10] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: games
[10:10] <tonyyarusso> ah
[10:10] <tonyyarusso> lol..."This game is widely rumored to be responsible for delaying the Woody release"
[10:10] <TheSheep> yup
[10:10] <tonyyarusso> ExcUSE me?  22 MB for a game?
[10:11] <tonyyarusso> Sorry TheSheep, doubt it.
[10:11] <TheSheep> ah\
[10:11] <TheSheep> and the other one?
[10:11] <TheSheep> at least include netris
[10:12] <TheSheep> graphics weights :(
[10:12] <tonyyarusso> monkey is 4.5 meg - better
[10:12] <TheSheep> also has cuter graphics :)
[10:13] <tonyyarusso> checking out netris - that's nice and small
[10:13] <TheSheep> you can also check angband and nethack
[10:13] <TheSheep> two famous text-mode games
[10:13] <TheSheep> (but both have optional graphics nowadays)
[10:14] <tonyyarusso> That's probably getting more in my realm and less in that of my current target audience
[10:14] <TheSheep> so true :(
[10:15] <maxamillion> gotta run ... school stuffs
[10:16] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: but I think that it's better to include a single, addictive game with good graphics than a whole bucket of crap
[10:16] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: heh, true
[10:16] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: don't forget solitare and mahjong
[10:16] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: mums love them
[10:17] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: isn't solitaire on by default?
[10:17] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: no idea, didn't see a default install since 6.06
[10:48] <Eagle_101> Is the meta data file needed for windows to run properly?
[10:52] <tonyyarusso> For web browsers, what are your thoughts on Galeon vs. Epiphany?
[10:52] <Eagle_101> I'm trying to help a friend of mine, if part of the meta data is overwritten, will it cause windows to have problems?
[10:53] <Eagle_101> !Epiphany
[10:53] <ubotu> epiphany: clone of Boulder Dash game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-4 (edgy), package size 63 kB, installed size 236 kB
[10:53] <Eagle_101> !Galeon
[10:53] <ubotu> galeon: GNOME web browser for advanced users. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.2-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 701 kB, installed size 1604 kB
[10:54] <tonyyarusso> !epiphany-browser
[10:54] <ubotu> epiphany-browser: Intuitive GNOME web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 2474 kB, installed size 12128 kB
[10:54] <tonyyarusso> is the pkg
[10:55] <Eagle_101> ah
[10:55] <Eagle_101> well anyone have some ideas on the meta data in windows?
[10:55] <Eagle_101> will that affect the NTFS filesystem if some of it gets erased by a partition?
[10:56] <grazie_> tonyyarusso: I wasn't that impressed by galeon. I quite like epiphany, but I declare myself an an opera fan
[10:57] <grazie_> tonyyarusso: I think dillo will be pretty good in time
[10:57] <tonyyarusso> grazie_: opera == nonfree --> meh.
[10:57] <tonyyarusso> dillo's still lacking for now though
[10:57] <grazie_> yeah
[11:00] <hyper_ch> hi everybody
[11:01] <Eagle_101> hi
[11:01] <Eagle_101> anyone know the answer to my question?
[11:01] <grazie_> hyper_ch: hello
[11:01] <hyper_ch> hmmm, do be updated:   xubuntu-artwork-usplash
[11:02] <grazie_> Eagle_101: I just don't know the answer, but asking about windows on xubuntu...
[11:02] <Eagle_101> heh :P
[11:02] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: What's the problem?
[11:03] <Eagle_101> friend of mine can't quite get the meta data to move, but he is going to do it anyway :P
[11:03] <hyper_ch> what meta data?
[11:03] <Eagle_101> NTFS metadata
[11:03] <Eagle_101> from the partition, he was defragging it before hand :P
[11:04] <hyper_ch> what's that?
[11:04] <grazie_> :)
[11:04] <Eagle_101> hell if I know, he is just going to partition over it :P
[11:05] <hyper_ch> I have no clue what that metadata is
[11:06] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you're here?
[11:06] <hyper_ch> or PuMpErNiCkLe ?
[11:08] <grazie> L@rk2287
[11:08] <ioi> hi all
[11:08] <Eagle_101> how large of a swap file do you make for a 1GB ram?
[11:08] <hyper_ch> 2gb
[11:08] <Eagle_101> and if it is a 9GB installation?
[11:09] <hyper_ch> a what?
[11:09] <Eagle_101> 9GB is all this guy has on the partition
[11:09] <hyper_ch> then he should get another partition
[11:09] <hyper_ch> 9gb is just very, very little :)
[11:09] <Jester45> xubuntu uses less than 2gb but 2gb is suggested becuase you most likly would want to add a few files somwhere
[11:09] <hyper_ch> I mean another drive
[11:10] <Eagle_101> lol :D
[11:10] <Eagle_101> well will a 1.5 GB swap kill him?
[11:10] <hyper_ch> well, my swap got corrupted at sme point
[11:10] <Jester45> and 254mb of swap is also suggested unless you have a good ammount of ram
[11:10] <hyper_ch> and I didn't notice that I was lacking the swap
[11:10] <tonyyarusso> Heh, I'm working with things as low as 3 GB - 9 is awesome :)
[11:10] <Eagle_101> Jester45, he has 1GB ram :P
[11:10] <hyper_ch> so 256mb should be fine
[11:10] <hyper_ch> or no swap at all
[11:11] <Jester45> with 1 g ram less than 200 should work fine
[11:11] <Eagle_101> that is all the swap he needs?
[11:11] <Eagle_101> ok
[11:11] <tonyyarusso> 128 meg RAM on that puppy
[11:11] <hyper_ch> Jester45: you know what happened here?
[11:11] <hyper_ch> Preconfiguring packages ...
[11:11] <hyper_ch> archdetect: error while loading shared libraries: libdebian-installer.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:11] <Jester45> its good to have a little incase you run out of ram
[11:11] <Jester45> you still have somespeed with no swap or ram everything is very slow
[11:12] <hyper_ch> then just make him 256mb swap
[11:12] <Jester45> hyper_ch: maybe a symbolic link is broke?
[11:12] <hyper_ch> 4gb /
[11:12] <hyper_ch> and rest /home
[11:12] <hyper_ch> Jester45: no clue :(
[11:12] <Jester45> i have 2 gb ram and use swap sometimes
[11:13] <hyper_ch> Jester45: you're not the average john doe :)
[11:13] <Jester45> lol
[11:13] <Jester45> nope
[11:13] <hyper_ch> going to reboot... and upgrade again afterwards :)
[11:13] <Jester45> you would hate to see my process tree
[11:13] <hyper_ch> Tasks: 118 total,   3 running, 114 sleeping,   0 stopped,   1 zombie
[11:15] <Jester45> 148 total,   95 running,  52 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[11:17] <hyper_ch> Jester45: and idea?
[11:17] <hyper_ch> The following packages have been kept back:
[11:17] <hyper_ch>   xubuntu-desktop
[11:17] <hyper_ch> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[11:23] <Jester45> try this
[11:23] <Jester45> sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get instrall xubuntu-desktop
[11:24] <Jester45> but you dont have to upgrade it
[11:24] <Jester45> its only a meta package
[11:24] <Jester45> one of the packages that it *needs* probly says it cant be upgraded
[11:24] <hyper_ch> Jester45: got the solution already :)
[11:24] <hyper_ch> I have to use dist-upgrade :) not just upgrade
[11:25] <Jester45> if you reinstall you get all the default programs
[11:27] <hyper_ch> I don't know everyone in here so I can't tell :)
[11:28] <hyper_ch> btw, heard of the newest M$ fiasco?
[11:28] <hyper_ch> about the brute force generator for the validation key?
[11:29] <grazie> no
[11:29] <grazie> not surprised at all though
[11:29] <hyper_ch> well, apparently after installation (of some downloaded version...)
[11:29] <hyper_ch> you can brute-force the validation key
[11:30] <hyper_ch> up to 20k keys per second depending on your machine
[11:30] <hyper_ch> even with 28 (or 24) numbers it takes a little
[11:30] <hyper_ch> while
[11:30] <hyper_ch> however the effect is, that you may hit some real keys that are somewhere in the shelves in the stores
[11:30] <ioi> anyone here how has install xubuntu server for x-terminal clients
[11:30] <hyper_ch> once activated those keys are void
[11:30] <grazie> hehe
[11:31] <hyper_ch> meaning customers buying a vista
[11:31] <hyper_ch> installs it
[11:31] <hyper_ch> and then the message appears that he has pirated software :)
[11:31] <hyper_ch> maybe I should get a copy of vista
[11:31] <hyper_ch> just for generating keys and run the validation mechanism in a VM
[11:32] <grazie> they'll put in prison and through away the key if you do that and they catch you
[11:34] <hyper_ch> grazie: on what ground?
[11:35] <grazie> grazie: what ever grounds their lawers can through at you
[11:35] <grazie> I still get believe the 64 bit crap which is only 64 bit if you buy top of the range
[11:36] <grazie> but you need a magnifying glass to see the 32 bit on the box
[11:36] <hyper_ch> they can't go at me :)
[11:37] <grazie> there some advantages to living in Switzerland...but not many
[11:38] <hyper_ch> I know the law here
[11:39] <grazie> hyper_ch: so are you going to turn a box into a vista key generator then?
[11:39] <hyper_ch> grazie: thinking of it
[11:39] <grazie> :)
[11:40] <hyper_ch> gotta reboot
[11:42] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-9-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), , RAM: 466/1010MB, 135 proc's, 1.38min up
[11:43] <hyper_ch> how can I find out what version of xfce I'm running?
[11:43] <hyper_ch> version 4.4.0 (Xfce 4.4)
[11:43] <hyper_ch> :)
[12:00] <mark487> dumb Q:  where's xubuntu's trash?
[12:06] <maikel> @dumb Q:  It's a folder in Thunar.
[12:07] <maikel> @mark:  It's a folder in Thunar.
[12:07] <maikel> @hyper:  xfdesktop --version
[12:08] <mark487> ahhhh, thanks much.  funny I'd forgotten.
[12:08] <maikel> Sho thang.
[12:10] <maikel> Has anyone else here tried to run ANtsP2P?


[07:37] <pitti> plars: in autopkgtest 3.5.4, the adb setup script now has a --reboot option
[07:37] <pitti> plars: I ran the --click com.ubuntu.calculator tests in the emulator, working fine again (I fixed a few other things in the setup script to catch up with current imagse)
[07:38] <pitti> plars: note that --reboot doesn't work in the emulator ATM, I filed bug 1378671
[10:25] <pitti> jibel: libo failure> I bumped the copy timeout, deploying, re-running
[10:26] <jibel> pitti, what is the timeout now ?
[10:26] <pitti> jibel: I bumped it to 5400, like for linux
[10:26] <pitti> jibel: default is 300 (i. e. 5 mins)
[10:27] <jibel> pitti, 90 minutes for a copy is ... a lot :)
[10:27] <pitti> heh, yeah; even linux doesn't usually need *that* long
[10:27] <pitti> (more like 10, 15 mins)
[10:28] <pitti> but sometimes these VMs become really slow if the machines get overloaded
[10:29] <jibel> pitti, yes, it's running on disk and when other tests are running there's IO contention
[11:40] <elfy> balloons: still no images since 6th - what's the story there ?
[11:46] <Patrickdk> ran out of words, for the required 1000's words per image
[14:15] <balloons> jibel, any knowledge of why new images aren't showing up?
[14:28] <jibel> balloons, automated tests didn't run for a while but it should be ok. Although they didn't run since Oct. 6th
[14:28] <jibel> balloons, I'll have a look
[14:30] <jibel> balloons, actually it's a build issue
[14:30] <balloons> jibel, I'm assuming that yes the images are failing to build
[14:31] <jibel> balloons, but https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/utopic/ubuntu said it built
[14:31] <jibel> balloons, I'll have a closer look
[14:32] <elfy> good afternoon jibel balloons
[14:48] <balloons> hmm
[14:50] <balloons> it's interesting that server continues to run
[15:20] <balloons> afternoon elfy
[15:30] <elopio> ping davmor2: can you please check the comments on the trello board, silo 11 on the failed column?
[15:30] <elopio> please let me know if I should leave it as failed, or mark it as passed.
[15:34] <davmor2> elopio: I don't see a notification overlaying it, so that might be specific to the silo
[15:35] <elopio> yes, that's what the silo adds. What I would like you to comment is if the bugs are bad enough to block the silo until they are fixed.
[15:41] <davmor2> elopio: hmm so I can't reproduce either issue on the latest image.  So if it is introducing those issue then no I wouldn't accept it. let's go talk to ted
[16:11] <jibel> elfy, balloons expect a fix and new desktop dailies soon.
[16:12] <balloons> awesome jibel thank you
[16:16] <elfy> jibel: thanks :)
[16:41] <wxl> jibel: good job. what happened?


[16:19] <mhall119|away> tgm4883: does Myth have any integratio nwith Zeitgeist?
[16:20] <tgm4883> no
[16:20] <tgm4883> I know basically nothing about zeitgeist
[16:22] <tgm4883> mhall119|away, what is it
[16:22] <mhall119|away> tgm4883: it's a desktop activity log
[16:23] <mhall119|away> apps can selectively feed information to it, like what files are opened, what webpages are viewed, etc
[16:23] <mhall119|away> anyway, I was talking to one of the developers about using it to build predictive models
[16:24] <tgm4883> mhall119|away, mythtv itself doesn't have any zeitgeist integration that I know of. I could probably add it to the mythtv scope though
[16:24] <mhall119|away> and he says if we can feed it information about what it watched and when, he can probably get it to predict what a user wants to watch without them having to specify it
[16:24] <tgm4883> hmm
[16:25] <mhall119|away> so like, if you watch the same show every Friday at 9pm, when you turn it on at 8:55pm on a Friday, it could automatically pull up your show
[16:26] <tgm4883> mhall119|away, that makes sense. Do you have any links/docs on zeitgeist integration with a scope?
[16:27] <mhall119|away> the files scope uses it to provide results, but it doesn't log anything
[16:27] <tgm4883> mhall119|away, so it relies on whatever the file is opened in to provide data to zeitgeist
[16:28] <mhall119|away> If Myth could log viewing activity, the Myth scope could provide "recently watched" and possibly a recommendations category
[16:28] <mhall119|away> yeah, apps have to feed data to zeitgeist, it doesn't automatically log activity
[16:29] <mhall119|away> http://zeitgeist-project.com/ is the project page
[16:29] <tgm4883> So we need whatever application we're playing video back in to log the activity
[16:29] <mhall119|away> yeah
[16:29] <tgm4883> be that mythfrontend or the default video player
[16:29] <mhall119|away> I know there is GObject bindings for their API, and also now qT/qml BINDINGS
[16:30] <tgm4883> well if it's mythfrontend doing it, that is going to be some C++ code
[16:30] <mhall119|away> you can probably use the C library then
[16:30]  * tgm4883 can totally do 'hello world' in C++
[16:30]  * tgm4883 meeting time


[04:16] <kanadian> hello
[04:16] <j1mc> hi kanadian
[04:16] <kanadian> how are you
[04:18] <j1mc> fine, thx.  and you?
[04:18] <kanadian> good
[04:19] <kanadian> im looking to get into documenting for kubuntu, where do I start? I checked out ubuntu/community and I think I want to edit the wiki but it all looks pretty good and solid
[04:19] <j1mc> hmm...
[04:21] <j1mc> there is a "categorycleanup" on the wiki... pages in need of being cleaned up
[04:21] <j1mc> i'm looking for a link
[04:21] <kanadian> i found it
[04:22] <kanadian> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryCleanup
[04:22] <j1mc> :)
[04:22] <j1mc> i see 3 kubuntu-specific docs on there.  (just in searching for the word kubuntu)
[04:24] <kanadian> ok thats a good start, unfortunately i have no experience with redhat or gentoo lol
[04:24] <kanadian> :)
[04:24] <j1mc> jonathan jesse is the kubuntu doc guy
[04:24] <j1mc> he and nixternal
[04:24] <kanadian> yes I was actually talking to nixternal today
[04:24] <j1mc> they could probably be of more assistance in knowing where they need help
[04:24] <j1mc> ah, cool.  :)
[04:25] <kanadian> how long have you been using linux? and what are you doing right now for doc ?
[04:25] <kanadian> if you don't mind me asking
[04:25] <j1mc> i've been using ubuntu/xubuntu since spring of 2006, and i work on xubuntu docs
[04:26] <kanadian> well thats good, i'm just deserting windows (xp and vista)
[04:26] <kanadian> installed pclos but just wasn't overly impressed
[04:27] <kanadian> tried about 10 diff distros and settled on kubuntu because it has the eye candy I want
[04:27] <j1mc> we're all at a unique time in the doc-release cycle... we just had "string freeze" this week, so the official documentation is pretty much set.... but you may be able to assist with some canadian translations
[04:27] <j1mc> if you're from canada.
[04:27] <j1mc> kubuntu is a good distro.  :)
[04:27] <kanadian> well its a good guess ;)
[04:27] <j1mc> :)
[04:28] <kanadian> im just not sure what you mean about canadian translations (french?)
[04:28] <j1mc> well, "color" vs. "colour" "favorite" vs. "favourite"
[04:28] <j1mc> stuff like that
[04:29] <kanadian> ahh yes, I know what you mean now. more grammar based
[04:29] <j1mc> i don't know the status of those translations...
[04:29] <j1mc> http://ubuntu-ca.org/
[04:30] <kanadian> ahh great thanks! I didn't know a canadian ubuntu site existed
[04:30] <j1mc> :)
[04:31] <j1mc> there's a canadian irc channel, too.  #ubuntu-ca
[04:31] <kanadian> seems it's somewhat down at the moment "We're sorry, but the page you requested can not be found. The most likely cause of this is that the Ubuntu Canada web site was recently migrated to a completely new host and platform, and building it up has been started from scratch. For this reason, bookmarks and links to old content will be invalid. Additionally, the current theme is a default from Canonical, and includes many links that are not
[04:31] <kanadian> valid in this context."
[04:31] <j1mc> :)
[04:31] <j1mc> what did you and nixternal talk about?
[04:32] <kanadian> well i'm really hoping to dig into some doc editing soon
[04:33] <kanadian> ahh well it actually came about as I launched Konversation while using Kubuntu 7.10 liveCD and the username came up as "ubuntu" and then a couple of people were discussing the default user name and hard coding a fix so that konversation wouldn't default to a user name like that...but alas it was because I was using a livecd
[04:33] <j1mc> ah, ok
[04:33] <j1mc> you talked with nixternal about that?
[04:33] <kanadian> yeah...not much exciting
[04:33] <j1mc> ok
[04:34] <kanadian> yup but that ended with the livecd conclusion :0
[04:34] <kanadian> :) *
[04:34] <kanadian> and then I stumbled on his blog about an hour ago by chance
[04:35] <j1mc> well, we just finished up the official documentation for hardy.  or it's in the very very finishing stages.
[04:35] <j1mc> but the wiki may need certain updates
[04:35] <j1mc> or their may be translations (particularly the KDE4 stuff?)
[04:35] <j1mc> but nixternal or jjesse could direct you a bit better than i.
[04:36] <j1mc> have you subscribed to the ubunt-doc mailing list?
[04:36] <kanadian> ok, well thats what I was thinking of working on anyways, im more interested in the migration from windows to linux aspect so the wiki may be where I should look
[04:36] <kanadian> no, but i'll do that now
[04:37] <j1mc> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam/Mentoring
[04:37] <j1mc> just let them know that you're interested in working on Kubuntu docs... maybe focusing on the wiki for now.  let them know if there's any particular program / software that you're interested in learning more about
[04:38] <kanadian> bookmarked, thanks m8
[04:38] <j1mc> yw
[04:38] <j1mc> i gotta get to bed for now, but ... good luck.
[04:38] <j1mc> :)
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> j1mc, later mate ;)
[04:38] <kanadian> thanks for your help
[04:38] <kanadian> much appr.!
[04:39] <j1mc> later  :)
[04:39] <kanadian> later
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #204992 in ubuntu-doc "server guide error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204992
[18:12] <sommer> mdke: is it cool to fix that typo?  Bug #204992
[18:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204992 in ubuntu-doc "server guide error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204992
[19:30] <mdke> sommer: yes
[19:30] <sommer> mdke: cool thanks man
[19:40] <j1mc> mdke: per the discussion about using the new pack format: http://pastebin.ca/953065
[19:47] <sommer> what up jim
[19:47] <j1mc> hi adam
[19:54]  * sommer is discovering the awesomeness of aspell :)
[20:31] <j1mc> hi all, i was looking to do some xubuntu wiki cleanup, and found this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation  it got me thinking about the difference between the help.ubuntu.com/community/ and wiki.ubuntu.com . . . how would this difference playout for xubuntu?
[20:40] <j1mc> nm
[21:15] <mdke> j1mc: I think it's best to start future repositories using standard bzr formats, and leave the existing ones as is... dunno if that will sit well with a shared repository with all of them though
[21:16] <mdke> j1mc: as for the wiki, the answer is I suppose however xubuntu wants it to play out; although I would have thought the same would apply. does xubuntu have a separate wiki?
[21:21] <mdke> sommer: whoosh, that's quite a lot of changed strings!
[21:22] <sommer> mdke: ya, sorry I really should have done a spell check before SF
[21:22] <sommer> hopefully there won't be any more
[21:23] <mdke> hope so... each string that changes is one that translators potentially have to re-translate
[21:24] <sommer> ya, most of the spelling errors were mine, but some have been around for a while
[21:25] <sommer> since the changes didn't affect the content, hopefully it will be quick work
[21:25] <sommer> the meaning of the content that is
[21:25] <mdke> for new strings, probably most haven't been translated already
[21:26] <mdke> but you can't assume it will be easy to translate a string again - it might not be the same translator doing it, and rosetta only shows suggestions for identical strings
[21:26] <mdke> anyhow, it's good to get them out the way now
[21:26] <mdke> the translators have a fair run
[21:26] <sommer> ah, ya, I'll definitely make sure to spell check before commits
[21:27] <mdke> would probably be useful for everyone :)
[21:27] <sommer> strange thing is that I used set spell in vim, but it didn't catch the errors
[21:27] <sommer> maybe I did something wrong, or didn't set soemthing correctly
[21:28] <sommer> anyway, the aspell command is genius :-)
[21:29] <mdke> ah, I see why doc.ubuntu.com hasn't been building. damn
[21:36] <sommer> cool
[21:37] <mdke> that's better
[21:39] <j1mc> mdke: re: the repo... however you'd prefer to handle it is fine.  i'm obviously not a bzr expert :), but just wanted us to be aware of the options.
[21:40] <j1mc> the xubuntu wiki is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[21:41] <j1mc> i didn't fully grasp the difference between the wiki (being project-focused documentation) vs. the community help pages (being community-created user-support pages)
[21:41] <j1mc> that is clear now
[21:56] <mdke> j1mc: cool
[21:57] <mdke> j1mc: I don't know much about bzr either ;)
[22:11] <nixternal> how goeth the master himself mdke?
[22:21] <mdke> nixternal: I'm alright thanks, how are you?
[22:21] <mdke> got a new computer :)
[22:22] <mdke> very happy
[23:00] <popey> mdke: what did you go for in the end


[00:59] <ochosi> bluesabre: anyhow, i pushed some more things to the logging branch, feel free to check it out. also, if you have suggestions for the tooltips lemme know. the "simple/icon-only" notifications currently only have a timestamp
[15:11] <bluesabre> ochosi, perhaps "{process name} - {localized timestamp}\nfulltext"
[21:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: the timestamp is currently ISO 8601 so i can more easily parse it back from the logfile. so you're saying i should re-parse it into something more human-readable for the tooltip? and yeah, probably a good idea for the layout
[21:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: anyway, tried the layout and pushed it to the branch. check it out!