[07:40] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[07:40] <Kilos> o/
[07:45] <popey> morning
[07:49] <Mister_Q> Good morning everyone o/
[07:52] <svij> good morning! happy mailman day!
[07:59] <dpm> good morning all
[08:00] <MooDoo> morning
[08:12] <Mister_Q> Yay popey liked my tweet :D
[08:13] <MooDoo> :)
[09:03] <tsimonq2> o/ all
[09:03] <Kilos> hi tsimonq2
[09:03] <tsimonq2> how are you Kilos? :)
[09:03] <Kilos> ok ty and you lad?
[09:03] <tsimonq2> great :)
[09:10] <tsimonq2> o/ MooDoo Mister_Q popey svij davidcalle dpm, how are you all doing? :)
[09:11] <popey> great :)
[09:11] <popey> over in #snappy doing snappy things
[09:11] <dpm> tsimonq2, doing well, thanks. Already online? :)
[09:12] <Mister_Q> tsimonq2 great :) just a bit jetlagged
[09:13] <tsimonq2> \o/ popey
[09:13] <tsimonq2> dpm: yep ;)
[09:13] <tsimonq2> Mister_Q: how was your trip?
[09:18] <Mister_Q> tsimonq2 the flight was to long but it was worth it :) I installed juju and kubernetes for the customer
[09:22] <tsimonq2> that's cool :)
[15:39] <jose> this is amazingly funny. just got some offer from Google in the mail... expired yesterday.
[15:42] <Kilos> haha
[15:43] <Kilos> you dont read mails regularly jose
[15:43] <popey> i expect this was snail mail
[15:43] <Kilos> or regularly once a year
[15:43] <Kilos> eish
[15:43] <popey> and the notorious Lima postal service
[15:43] <jose> it was snail mail
[15:43] <jose> basically what popey said :P
[15:43] <popey> hehe
[15:43] <jose> I got a holiday card in March
[15:43] <popey> we're learning!  😃
[15:43] <Kilos> we have the same probs here
[15:44] <jose> at least it's only 2 months late this time
[16:35] <popey> WEEEKEND!
[16:35] <pleia2> 9:30AM \o/
[16:35] <pleia2> wait, no \o/
[16:35]  * pleia2 coffees
[16:38] <svij> WEEKEND too!
[16:38] <svij> the downside is the renovation of the kitchen which just started and is extremely loud :/
[17:07] <mhall119> o/
[17:14] <tsimonq2> every day's a weekend for me 3 months out of the year :P
[17:14] <tsimonq2> and so WEEEEEEEKEND!
[17:16] <svij> kids these days…
[17:16] <svij> ;)
[17:18] <tsimonq2> svij: it's only for a couple more years
[17:18] <tsimonq2> then I join you all :)
[17:18] <svij> "only"
[17:19] <svij> I left school tomorrow 5 years ago. I feel old now. :D
[17:29] <popey> haha, *you* feel old
[17:29]  * popey fetches his ear-trumpet
[17:30] <svij> :D
[17:30] <Kilos> haha
[17:31] <Kilos> i left school 48 years ago
[17:32] <popey> FINALLY!
[17:32] <popey> Someone older than me around here.
[17:32] <svij> haha
[17:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:32] <popey> unless you left school at -4 years old?
[17:32] <Kilos> no man im 65
[17:33] <popey> No way.
[17:33] <Kilos> what
[17:33] <Kilos> was 65 on the 23rd of june
[17:33] <popey> I pictured you as mid thirties, maximum
[17:33] <Kilos> well i think so anyway
[17:33] <svij> ohh, happy belated birthday
[17:34] <Kilos> where did you see my pic popey
[17:34] <popey> I haven't seen a pic of you
[17:34] <popey> just going by text
[17:35] <popey> funny how we make these assumptions
[17:35] <popey> well, I did.
[17:35] <Kilos> oh so thats why you gave me a hard time with timeslots
[17:35] <popey> uh. no
[17:35] <Kilos> hehe
[17:35] <svij> I also didn't think that tsimonq2 is just 14
[17:35] <Kilos> yeah he is a shocker
[17:35] <tsimonq2> ;)
[17:36] <tsimonq2> svij: I don't remember if I told you or you found out somewhere :P
[17:36] <svij> when I look at the ~14yo which i randomly know they can't even type properly.
[17:36] <popey> haha
[17:36] <Kilos> we heard at the membership app tsimonq2
[17:36] <svij> tsimonq2: someone mentioned that you were the youngest ubuntu member with 13 oder so
[17:36] <svij> s/oder/or/
[17:36] <tsimonq2> you know, I catually can't type properly, I'm typing with two fingers
[17:36] <mhall119> svij: heck, when I think back to how *I* was at 14.... :(
[17:36] <jose> urgh, someone stole my title!
[17:37] <tsimonq2> no no no
[17:37] <tsimonq2> this was decided already
[17:37] <svij> mhall119: not much different to now? :D
[17:37] <tsimonq2> jose has a few months on me
[17:37] <tsimonq2> :P
[17:37] <jose> few months? >.>
[17:37] <mhall119> svij: I saw skinnier
[17:37] <tsimonq2> jose: yeah, don't you remember?
[17:37] <mhall119> :-P
[17:37] <svij> mhall119: ;)
[17:37] <jose> I wish...
[17:38] <popey> I wrote a sprite routine for the Amstrad CPC 464 when I was 14 in Z80 Assembler... I miss assembler...
[17:38] <tsimonq2> when's your birthday jose?
[17:38]  * svij was 14 exactly 10 years ago.
[17:38] <jose> also, since I joined the community no day is vacation day...
[17:38] <popey> We should re-write Unity in assembler ㋛
[17:38] <Kilos> but its good that age isnt a deterent in being allowed to work together
[17:38]  * tsimonq2 Googles what popey is talking about
[17:38] <jose> Dec 10th. but I'm 19
[17:38]  * svij was reinstalling Windows ME every week with 14.
[17:38] <popey> tsimonq2: ye olde computers
[17:38] <Kilos> haha svij
[17:38] <mhall119> I'm going to create a channel called #lawn just so I can kick you kids out of it
[17:38] <popey> tsimonq2: http://popey.com/blog/2011/03/05/thirty-years-on/ i wrote that 5 years ago, about my first computer, 35 years ago now!
[17:39] <tsimonq2> popey: yeah I've seen these things around the internet :D
[17:39] <tsimonq2> wow popey
[17:39] <tsimonq2> svij: I have a friend (he's 12) who loves old Windows installs
[17:39] <jose> I hated installing windows when I was 12
[17:39] <tsimonq2> svij: he has Windows 3 and Windows 98 in VMs, Windows 98 is his favorite
[17:40] <svij> but I was atleast already on some IRC networks when I was 14 or 13
[17:40] <jose> it took an entire day!
[17:40] <svij> uh
[17:40] <jose> I didn't even know about irc
[17:40] <svij> jose: I still hate it nowadays :P
[17:40] <mhall119> when I was 12, the only Windows around was 3
[17:40] <tsimonq2> hahahahahahah mhall119 (re: #lawn)
[17:40] <jose> I remember when pleia2 met me at the airport, it was like 'ooooh irc *does* connect you with *real* people!'
[17:40] <tsimonq2> XD
[17:41] <tsimonq2> yeah jose, growing up to this point, I've only used PATA hard drives, I've had 2 GB of RAM at my disposal max, and I've used XP
[17:41] <tsimonq2> I was lucky enough to have a Windows 7 install, but I was really into Windows
[17:41] <tsimonq2> but I couldn't do a lot with it
[17:42] <jose> I remember the day I upgraded my HDD to a 128GB one, that was one of the best days of my life
[17:42] <jose> moar space for games!
[17:42] <tsimonq2> and I installed Ubuntu and actually learned a lot about my computer! \o/
[17:42] <svij> I didn't have an own pc until I was 16 (not allowed) otherwise I would've probably switched to ubuntu earlier…
[17:42] <tsimonq2> yeah I used to really want to play Minecraft but my computer couldn't handle it
[17:42] <pleia2> I met my first husband on IRC
[17:43] <tsimonq2> now that I have a computer that handles it, I don't play it... :|
[17:43] <jose> and dial up internet!
[17:43] <tsimonq2> pleia2 \o/
[17:43] <jose> those phone noises
[17:43] <svij> haha
[17:43] <pleia2> (fwiw, the fact that he was my first and not only husband likely had nothing to do with how we met ;))
[17:44] <tsimonq2> I've never had dial-up jose but we still have an RJ11 port around the house somewhere
[17:44] <popey> Time is flying by.
[17:44] <jose> my dad used to set time limits on me or internet would get too expensive
[17:45] <tsimonq2> hah
[17:45] <svij> I tried learning coding with 1h time on the pc… my mum was very strict… (even with flatrate)
[17:45] <svij> 1h per day
[17:45] <tsimonq2> svij: the first programming language I tried to learn was C++... :/
[17:46] <svij> tsimonq2: heh
[17:46] <tsimonq2> it's really weird imho
[17:46] <jose> html for me
[17:46] <jose> if you can call that a 'programming language'
[17:46] <tsimonq2> like piping this to that and just ahhhhh /o\
[17:46] <svij> html is not a programming language, but yes, HTML and CSS was also one of the first things for me
[17:46] <tsimonq2> jose: that's the first scripting language I got good at
[17:47] <tsimonq2> I can proudly say that I have hand-coded every bit of HTML on my website http://tsimonq2.net/
[17:47] <jose> I coded a neopets page with html \o/
[17:47] <jose> css is still a dark-ish spot for me
[17:47] <tsimonq2> jose: yeah me too
[17:48] <tsimonq2> look at my website, I'm not good at CSS :P
[17:48] <svij> I remember the guy on IRC (when I was ~15 and he like 16) that he doesn't like foreigners. Gladly he didn't see my skin color :D
[17:49] <jose> for ubuconla.org most things were done, I basically edited bits here and there
[17:50] <tsimonq2> jose: it's find of funny because I'm in the process of learning Spanish
[17:50] <tsimonq2> when I graduate, I should be done with Spanish 5
[17:50] <tsimonq2> I already know basics
[17:50] <tsimonq2> but it's a goal of mine to be fluent before I graduate high school
[17:51] <jose> spanish is hard
[17:51] <jose> I would hate having to learn how to speak spanish again
[17:51]  * svij would hate having to learn how to speak german again
[17:52] <tsimonq2> jose: yeah it's really complicated at times
[17:52] <tsimonq2> well right now, I'm supposed to know about 100 present-tense verbs and conjugations and probably 700 other vocab words
[17:52] <tsimonq2> I need to study over the summer :P
[17:52] <svij> tamil is hard. They have like three different types of "la" and everything should sound and written different
[17:52] <jose> you said it, supposed to
[17:53] <tsimonq2> jose: but I'll catch up :)
[17:53] <tsimonq2> jose: I'm in Spanish 1, the Spanish 2 kids had to listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTGxLc-lv0
[17:54] <jose> oh no please don't
[17:54] <tsimonq2> huh jose?
[17:54] <jose> Dora the explorer?
[17:54] <tsimonq2> nope
[17:54] <tsimonq2> Billy la Bufanda
[17:55] <jose> no idea what that is
[17:55] <tsimonq2> jose: just watch lol
[17:55] <jose> I will when I get back to university
[17:55] <jose> on mobile right now
[17:56] <tsimonq2> heh alright ;)
[17:56] <tsimonq2> so this is where the conversation went \o/
[17:56]  * svij looks to his todo list
[17:56]  * svij goes crying…
[17:57] <jose> at least you have one
[17:57] <tsimonq2> ^
[17:58] <svij> taskwarrior (https://taskwarrior.org/) for the win!
[17:58] <jose> I used to use todo until I broke it trying to set up notifications
[17:58] <svij> nah, no notifications for me.
[17:59] <svij> it's a simple but great CLI todo list manager, perfect.
[17:59] <svij> you still have to look at it though
[17:59] <jose> yep, it was until I broke it
[17:59] <jose> worst is, I don't even know how to fix it
[17:59] <jose> I may have to build it from source
[18:00] <svij> which tool?
[18:00] <jose> todo
[18:00] <svij> todo.txt?
[18:00] <jose> nope, todo
[18:00] <jose> it was a CLI to do list
[18:00] <svij> ah ok
[18:01] <svij> check taskwarrior, has many users and nice features and also pretty responsive on irc too
[18:01] <jose> yeah I'll take a look
[18:03] <pleia2> taskwarrior <3
[18:06] <tsimonq2> pleia2: you use it?
[18:06] <pleia2> yep, have for yaers
[18:06] <pleia2> years too
[18:06] <svij> I have it for 4 years now, as I just saw
[18:06] <svij> atleast "task stats" says it
[18:07] <tsimonq2> I trust you both, I'm gonna start using it :P
[18:07] <pleia2> my blog tells me I've been using it since at least 2011
[18:07] <svij> pleia2: task stats is your friend ;)
[18:07] <svij> Oldest task                2012-07-07
[18:07] <svij> Newest task                2016-07-01
[18:07] <svij> Task used for              4.0y
[18:07] <pleia2> 6/6/2011               5.1y upgrade linode to squeeze
[18:07] <pleia2> Oldest task           6/5/2011
[18:07] <pleia2> aha, there we go :)
[18:08] <svij> 5y, also nice
[18:09] <svij> I was part of the biggest taskwarrior user (and developer) meetup so far :D https://www.deimeke.net/dirk/blog/index.php?/archives/3607-Mini-Taskwarrior-Meetup-....html
[18:09] <pleia2> cool
[18:09] <svij> "biggest" with 4 people though
[18:09] <pleia2> lol
[18:09] <popey> hah
[18:17] <tsimonq2> pleia2, hggdh: someone should make a taskwarrior snap at the next Snappy Playpen on Tuesday :D
[18:18] <svij> tsimonq2: https://github.com/svijee/taskwarrior-snap ?
[18:18] <tsimonq2> \o/
[18:18] <tsimonq2> niiiicee
[18:18] <svij> need some few tweaks
[18:18] <svij> no man pages and wrong theme data paths currently
[18:19] <svij> but except that it works


[03:43] <Sarvatt> agrestringere: you have a tesla? thats the only thing affected by the security update


[00:54] <LinDol> hi all
[05:41] <LinDol> Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 release notes in Wiki was fixed to announce?
[05:41] <LinDol> I mean
[05:41] <LinDol> If it is freezed
[05:41] <LinDol> I want to translate to Korean language for announce 17.04
[09:27] <darkxst> jbicha, does anyone still use slack?
[09:27] <darkxst> (ive not logged in there for a long time!)
[12:53] <jbicha> darkxst: it got quiet enough on slack that I haven't bothered to log in there recently either
[12:55] <jbicha> I also wasn't happy that slack limits the number of old messages they show unless someone pays them, and Ubuntu's slack has already passed that limit
[12:56] <jbicha> I think Solus and Ubuntu Budgie use gitter.im, and GNOME has started using matrix.org as a layer on top of their IRC channels


[17:17] <MikeRL> Any of the guys building notice that the recent beta of Firefox for 64 bit Quantal failed to build? Could it be because you guys are out of space on the server? It says you are using 8.5 GB out of 8 GB..
[17:18] <MikeRL> See this URL: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next/+packages
[17:21] <MikeRL> A good idea may to be delete Natty's packages off this PPA since it is no longer supported. That may free some space.
[17:24] <MikeRL> That and a lot of the build tests were failing...
[20:42] <bjsnider> any changes to the whole gecko toolkit thing for raring?
[20:42] <bjsnider> firefox-dev in other words


[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <dpm> good morning all
[07:26] <bkerensa> Gangnam Style
[07:43] <bkerensa> dholbach: will#ubuntu-packaging be the UbuLive channel?
[07:50] <bkerensa> popey I registered #ubuntuonair which went empty after the last show
[07:50] <bkerensa> added you/jcastro/Josee
[07:51] <popey> yeah, i recall a conversation with jcastro about whether we needed more channels
[07:51] <popey> or just re-use existing ones
[07:51]  * popey shrugs
[07:52] <bkerensa> popey: the only benefit I see is if we hop onto a channel that has a topic we interrupt the flow of discussion
[07:52] <popey> yeah, but the downside is an empty channel
[07:52] <bkerensa> :)
[07:52] <popey> which is what happened with #ubuntuonair
[07:52] <popey> people turned up and asked questions and nobody replied
[07:52]  * bkerensa is now idling it
[07:52] <bkerensa> :D
[08:39] <inetpro> bkerensa: nice idea
[08:40] <inetpro> and dholbach, that looks like a very nice session
[08:43] <czajkowski> this day is not off to a good start
[08:43] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[08:47] <bkerensa> :(
[08:47] <bkerensa> czajkowski: hope it gets better
[08:49] <czajkowski> me too
[08:49] <czajkowski> and bugger I thought it was Friday and all
[08:52] <bkerensa> =/
[08:52] <bkerensa> I wish it was
[08:53] <bkerensa> czajkowski: here I am 2am watching dholbach do a packaging tut
[08:53] <bkerensa> :D
[09:15] <dholbach> thanks inetpro and bkerensa
[09:16] <dholbach> popey, sorry, I had no idea about the channel
[09:16] <dholbach> I'll use it next time
[09:16] <popey> dholbach, meh :)
[09:16] <popey> we already have too many channels
[09:17] <dholbach> ?
[09:17] <dholbach> should I use it? or shouldn't I?
[09:17] <dholbach> #ubuntuonair
[09:17] <bkerensa> tis registered
[09:17] <bkerensa> two people idling
[09:17] <bkerensa> :D
[09:18] <dholbach> next time, promise
[09:18] <inetpro> popey: I agree, but I think it does make sense to have a dedicated channel for the purpose
[09:18] <bkerensa> yeah
[09:19] <bkerensa> some people were trying to get help in -packaging
[09:19] <bkerensa> had it been a bigger turnout maybe people would have got confused
[09:19] <bkerensa> :D
[09:20] <czajkowski> or there are more peple there with experience
[09:20] <czajkowski> we have too many places to send people
[09:20] <czajkowski> it was confusing for UGJ
[09:22] <dholbach> I'll use #ubuntuonair the next time
[09:22] <dholbach> that way we can also leave the chat widget in there all the time always pointing to the same place
[10:32] <czajkowski> dholbach: care to help a user out https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/208457
[10:38] <dholbach> he just asks if anybody has any idea about this error message:
[10:39] <dholbach> build/buildd/linux-2.6.32/drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-core.c: can't reset device, 0000:00:10.3-3.2/input0, status -71
[10:39] <czajkowski> ahh ohk
[10:39] <dholbach> it could be his usb device being broken, but it could also be a kernel problem
[10:39] <dholbach> maybe he can test the device on another machine or under windows and see if it works there
[10:39] <dholbach> I can reply
[10:40] <czajkowski> dholbach: thank you
[11:42] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach, bkerensa: we already had #ubuntu-on-air for those cases
[11:43] <JoseeAntonioR> it's on my announcement
[11:47] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: you've got ubuntuonair google's account credentials in case you want to use it, all videos will be kept in youtube.com/ubuntuonair
[11:51] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, ah, I should've logged into google+ with that account as well
[11:51] <dholbach> sorry
[11:51]  * dholbach totally messed up :)
[11:52] <dholbach> alright, got to take the dog for a walk
[11:52] <dholbach> see you in a bit
[13:55] <jcastro> bkerensa, thanks for the review!
[13:55] <jcastro> I will make sure to use your amazon refer code of course.
[13:56] <jcastro> also, maybe a price/performance ratio would help?
[13:56] <jcastro> like, is the sylvania worth the extra 14 bucks per bulb ...
[15:04] <jcastro> JoseeAntonioR, hey, what time UTC on the 24th?
[15:47] <jcastro1> test
[15:48] <czajkowski> one jcastro1 is more than enough :p
[15:48] <jcastro> I'll get rid of him soon
[15:48] <jcastro> he's a punk anyway
[15:51] <czajkowski> heh
[16:08] <czajkowski> dpm: you might try now as there are more LP devs around to give you a hand wit the script in case you didnt have any luck this morning, it's mostly state side we have devs free atm
[16:32] <dpm> czajkowski, cool thanks :) Here I go with my third try...
[16:48] <czajkowski> dpm: progress :)
[16:49] <dpm> yeah, I'm fine with sending an e-mail to lp-dev, but if I can sort it out on IRC the better, as I unsubscribed from l-d a long long time ago
[16:51] <czajkowski> ah I see
[16:51] <czajkowski> it is low traffic
[17:28] <dholbach> alright my friends - have a great rest of your day - see you tomorrow
[18:04] <bkerensa> jcastro: LOL :) In reality the LightKiwi is the best it uses 6-watts
[18:04] <bkerensa> jcastro: also Josh P who works at Canonical left some feedback on his LED experience
[18:54] <pleia2> jono: thanks for sending the Canonical guys our way last night, we had fun :)
[18:54] <jono> pleia2, np :-)
[18:54] <jono> wish I could be there, I am in Portland right now
[18:54] <jono> pleia2, who showed up?
[18:55] <pleia2> kyle... and 3 other guys
[18:55] <jono> pleia2, cool
[18:55] <jono> I am pleased they showed up
[19:00] <bkerensa> jono: you enjoying the beautiful sun?
[19:00] <bkerensa> :)
[19:01] <jono> bkerensa, hah, yeah right
[19:01] <jono> I am in a room with no windows
[19:01] <bkerensa> jono: huh are you guys at OSU's office downtown?
[19:01] <bkerensa> lol
[19:01] <jono> bkerensa, at the Hilton
[19:01] <bkerensa> I know they do the knitting circle there
[19:01] <jono> underground
[19:01] <bkerensa> ah
[19:01] <bkerensa> thats not fun
[19:01] <jono> from 8pm until 6.30pm every day
[19:02] <bkerensa> jono: do all the managers have to be there even the locals?
[19:02] <bkerensa> :D
[19:03] <jono> bkerensa, yes
[19:03] <jono> we are all here
[19:03] <bkerensa> heh :)
[19:04] <jcastro_> pleia2, creepy, I was just about to mail that guy wrt. the openid plugin
[19:07] <balloons> anyone around running quantal and have wine installed and 5 mins to confirm something for me?
[19:09] <pleia2> jcastro :)
[19:10] <bkerensa> jono: if you get a chance check out Lucky Lab before you leave town... slangasek knows the spot
[19:11] <jono> bkerensa, cool :-)
[19:11] <jono> probably not going to get a chance, I fly out tomorrow
[19:11] <bkerensa> its where all the hackers go to beer
[19:11] <bkerensa> oh
[19:11] <jono> ahhh cool
[19:11] <bkerensa> like PuppetLabs has hack nights there and the Debian Beering is there :)
[19:14] <jcastro_> jono, hmm, for some reason I still can't propose things onto your calendar
[19:14] <jono> jcastro you should be able to
[19:14] <bkerensa> tungle.me FTW
[19:17] <jcastro_> jono, also, it's your birthday on monday isn't it?
[19:18] <jono> jcastro yep
[19:18] <jono> 33 years young :-)
[19:18] <jcastro_> woo, that means it's my canonical birthday
[19:18] <jono> :-)
[19:18] <jcastro_> I started, _5 years ago_ on your birthday
[19:18] <jono> :-)
[19:18] <jcastro_> and I was ... 33.
[19:18] <jcastro_> look at that
[19:18] <balloons> jcastro_, lol
[19:19] <jcastro_> that's just creepy
[19:19] <balloons> that's pretty interesting annivesary
[19:19] <pleia2> jcastro should jump out of a cake
[19:19] <jcastro_> I want to go to chuck e. cheeses
[19:19] <pleia2> haha
[19:20] <cjohnston> jcastro_: take my kids
[19:29] <jcastro_> technoviking, heya
[19:29] <jcastro_> speaking of the forums
[19:30] <jcastro_> how does tapatalk support work?
[19:30] <jcastro_> is that something we turn on someplace?
[19:38] <balloons> ohh tapatalk!
[19:39] <balloons> you just need the plugin jcastro_
[19:39] <jcastro_> oh ok
[19:39] <jcastro_> so we can just add that then
[19:40] <balloons> http://www.tapatalk.com/activate_tapatalk.php?plugin=vbulletin
[19:40] <balloons> they even have plugins for vb3 ;-)
[20:06] <bkerensa> jcastro: VB5 is now out :) btw VB4 has a native mobile suite
[20:12] <czajkowski> bkerensa: any idea why I'd get
[20:12] <czajkowski> juju: error: argument --log-file/-l: invalid FileType('a') value: <open file '<stderr>', mode 'w' at 0x7f1905069270>
[20:12] <czajkowski> when I went juju bootstrap
[20:12] <bkerensa> what charm?
[20:13] <czajkowski> I've not gto as far as charms
[20:13] <czajkowski> I'm only on set up
[20:13] <czajkowski> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/getting-started.html
[20:13] <czajkowski> I'm only at configuration
[20:14] <bkerensa> czajkowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1050169
[20:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1050169 in juju "bootstrap insists on a logfile (dup-of: 1048864)" [Undecided,New]
[20:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1048864 in juju "Latest python in quantal breaks juju" [Critical,Triaged]
[20:14] <bkerensa> I think the last comment in that bug will help
[20:15] <bkerensa> for some reason when it is handling logs it is erroring
[20:15] <czajkowski> cheers
[20:15] <czajkowski> I've a long night ahead of me at this rate
[20:15] <czajkowski> apt get install juju also doesnt seem to work on 12.10
[20:15] <jcastro_> it's broken
[20:15] <jcastro_> python stuff
[20:15] <bkerensa> wait
[20:15]  * jcastro_ makes explosion sounds
[20:15] <bkerensa> quantal?
[20:15] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1050114
[20:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1050114 in juju "juju in quantal package has unmet dependancies" [Undecided,New]
[20:15] <bkerensa> czajkowski: are you on quantal?
[20:15] <bkerensa> :D
[20:15] <czajkowski> yes
[20:15] <czajkowski> bleeding edge
[20:15] <bkerensa> bingo
[20:15] <czajkowski> bleeding nutter
[20:16] <bkerensa> so your stuck until the depends in juju are sorted
[20:16] <jcastro_> yep
[20:20] <czajkowski> whch doesnt help me testing maas
[20:20] <czajkowski> hmmm
[20:20] <czajkowski> right off to poke people
[20:20] <bkerensa> :D
[20:20] <czajkowski> I'll eventually get EOD today at some point
[20:20] <czajkowski> Thursday are a very long day for me
[20:22] <jcastro_> "python fix is underway upstream, should land today I think"
[20:22] <jcastro_> from clint czajkowski ^^^
[20:22] <jcastro_> so ... soon!
[20:22] <czajkowski> jcastro_: ah cheers thanks
[20:23] <czajkowski> shal pass that onto Diogo
[20:27] <bkerensa> jcastro: http://i.imgur.com/70I16.jpg <-- when juju get one of these?
[20:27] <bkerensa> :D
[20:29] <jcastro_> bkerensa, I have way uglier: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Charms/view/Charms-Precise/view/ec2/
[20:31] <bkerensa> jcastro: http://i.imgur.com/sMJ5P.jpg <-- Kegbot
[20:31] <marcoceppi> bkerensa: `juju status`
[20:32] <marcoceppi> :)
[20:32] <bkerensa> ;p
[20:32] <bkerensa> http://kegbot.org/
[20:32] <bkerensa> :D
[20:39] <marcoceppi> Okay, time to go home and see how well Subway works for checking messages later
[20:42] <bkerensa> lol
[20:44] <balloons> AlanBell, do you use visual alerts? do they work for you in precise? I can't seemingly get them to do anything in quantal or precise
[20:44] <AlanBell> it is a pretty weak effect
[20:45] <AlanBell> it kind of varies the dark greyness of the title bar of the active window slightly
[20:45] <AlanBell> I wanted to plug it into a full screen compiz screen wobble or something
[20:45] <balloons> how about the beep when caps or num lock is used?
[20:46] <balloons> I'm not seeing the effects of etheir
[20:46] <AlanBell> actually I am not seeing any effect now
[20:46] <AlanBell> flash the entire screen never worked
[20:46] <AlanBell> well not since before unity
[20:47] <AlanBell> flash the window title used to work but is almost useless
[20:47] <balloons> ahh.. are there open bugs on everything mentioned?
[20:47] <AlanBell> bug 1016683
[20:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1016683 in gnome-control-center "universal access visual alert not working" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1016683
[20:48] <balloons> I don't want to duplicate.. but as far as I can tell, none of what we're talking about is working
[20:49] <AlanBell> bug 272749
[20:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 272749 in vte "Set window manager "URGENT" hint on bell." [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272749
[20:49] <AlanBell> that might be a decentish solution
[20:50] <balloons> I'm going to open a new bug for the beep on num lock and caps lock
[20:51] <balloons> all I see is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/116296
[20:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 116296 in gnome-control-center "No beep on keystroke when using accessibilty features" [Low,Triaged]
[20:51] <AlanBell> yes, I wasn't aware of that one, never tried it
[20:53] <balloons> just doing the pass through of accessibility features as usual
[20:53] <balloons> :-)
[20:53] <AlanBell> I have some more bugs to file I think, I went through the installer the other day
[20:54] <balloons> it's stablish now.. as far as feature changes
[20:54] <balloons> I've been going through and updating the tests to reflect the changes
[20:54] <AlanBell> the dash doesn't work at the moment is kind of a big one
[20:54] <czajkowski> AlanBell: xnox in -uk works on the installer
[20:55] <AlanBell> oh, cool
[20:55] <balloons> yes, we made him mr. fixit today
[20:57] <czajkowski> hehe
[20:57] <czajkowski> we had it at the UGJ at the weekend so pointed out stuff annoying us
[20:58] <balloons> wonderful.. he's been great thus far
[20:58] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1050624
[20:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1050624 in gnome-control-center "Universal Access 'beep on caps lock or num lock' doesn't beep" [Undecided,New]
[20:58] <balloons> at least it's out there now AlanBell
[20:58] <AlanBell> cool, thanks balloons
[20:59] <balloons> bug #7 today for me.. wow.. I think that might be a record
[20:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 7 in launchpad "Need help for novice translators" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7
[20:59]  * balloons notes he hasn't been trying to find bugs!
[20:59] <czajkowski> balloons: I filed a lot at the weekend
[21:00] <czajkowski> upgrade from 12.04->12.10 was not smooth or nice
[21:01] <balloons> really czajkowski ?
[21:01] <balloons> I tried several times to break it.. couldn't do it suprisingly
[21:01] <balloons> I even did a lucid->quantal install ;-)
[21:01] <czajkowski> balloons: yeah I lost my window management as did others
[21:01] <balloons> double upgrade
[21:02] <czajkowski> had to go to tty1 and do an output to some log so I could follow the upgrade
[21:02] <czajkowski> then when it did upgrade and restart it just kept crashing with compiz, telepathy and gwibber
[21:19] <balloons> hmm
[21:19] <balloons> when you upgraded, where you running unity?
[21:19] <czajkowski> balloons: yup was running 12.04
[21:20] <czajkowski> I wasnt the only one who lost their window management either
[21:20] <czajkowski> one of the other guys did also
[21:20] <balloons> hmm.. perhaps something new has emerged
[21:20] <balloons> metacity got dropped
[21:20] <czajkowski> he did his on the monday I did mine onthe saturday
[21:20] <balloons> when it was removed, you likely lost window management
[21:21] <balloons> did a unity --reset after upgrade fix things?
[21:21] <czajkowski> nope
[21:21] <czajkowski> couldnt also get a hold of anything to do anything for abotue rhalf hr of updates
[21:21] <czajkowski> then I eventualy got to alt f4 some other windows when I came out of tty1 and back to desktop
[21:21] <czajkowski> so I could in fact go through the rest of the install
[22:20] <jcastro_> akgraner, this girl on The Voice did "Hallelujah". Made me think of that UDS where we were all crying and stuff
[23:39] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: does sometime between 18:30 and 19 works for you?
[23:39]  * JoseeAntonioR has got a visa interview that day
[23:42] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: blueprints, tracks and such things are not loaded yet, right?
[23:42] <cjohnston> tracks arent
[23:43] <cjohnston> after tracks and rooms get entered, other things will happen on summit, until then, summit is stuck
[23:43] <JoseeAntonioR> anything I can help with?
[23:44] <cjohnston> magically create data
[23:45] <JoseeAntonioR> if magically is "get data from somewhere and re-write it", then I may be able to help, otherwise not :)
[23:46] <cjohnston> the data exists, somewhere, alteast the room part, i assume.. i just dont have it


[16:04] <PaulW2U> prep .doc updated and in good shape
[16:05] <PaulW2U> at some point this weekend I need to upgrade Kubuntu 14.10 (almost EOL) to 15.04 and on to 15.10
[16:06] <PaulW2U> hope to be back here again soon....
[16:32] <pleia2> thanks, I'll review when I'm settled in to the hotel
[16:55] <pleia2> thinking we should move all the IP talk to bulletpoints under the main heading


[00:30] <bkerensa> TRAVISg: working now?
[01:07] <bkerensa> they do the silence for fun I think
[01:07] <bkerensa> to build anticipation
[01:07] <albrigha> lol
[01:07] <albrigha> it's working..
[01:07] <bkerensa> see they always do that thing about contributing as a part of work
[01:07] <bkerensa> :D
[01:08] <bkerensa> should say you have someone from the loco to support you
[01:09] <albrigha> good idea lol
[01:16] <albrigha> damn..
[01:16] <bkerensa> I was certain they were leaning for against
[01:16] <bkerensa> LOL
[01:16] <bkerensa> which is why I added some input
[01:16] <bkerensa> they be harsh on the Canonical folks
[01:16] <bkerensa> :D
[01:17] <albrigha> lol
[01:17] <albrigha> me too..
[01:19] <albrigha> what magical thing happens now?
[01:21] <bkerensa> uhh
[01:21] <bkerensa> well they add you to the Ubuntu Member launchpad team
[01:21] <bkerensa> then Canonical has this wonky little cron job that checks that when it feels like it
[01:21] <bkerensa> and then a aliases is created on @ubuntu.com
[01:21] <bkerensa> the rest of the perks you have to e-mail someone for
[01:22] <bkerensa> or use bzr to add yourself to Planet :D
[01:23] <albrigha> planet? I'm drawing a blank
[01:27] <albrigha> I'm off for a bit. ttyl!
[01:27] <albrigha> Thanks bkerensa!
[01:27] <albrigha> :)
[01:34] <bkerensa> uhhh
[01:34]  * bkerensa has to brainstorm how much he would charge to build out a production SVN with Team Collab
[03:38] <travisgonzales23> bkerensa you here?
[03:39] <travisgonzales23> hello all
[03:43] <c_smith> hello
[03:47]  * c_smith is downloading the 12.04 alternate install CD in a last ditch effort to get 12.04
[04:06] <travisgonzales23> ah
[04:07] <travisgonzales23> bkerensa you in here?
[04:07] <c_smith> well, those of us in Marion county have a state of emergency due to flooding.
[04:08] <c_smith> Aumsville is completely flooded.
[04:08] <travisgonzales23> wow are you all right?
[04:08] <c_smith> I am, have a day free tomorrow due to this.
[04:09] <c_smith> Salem is flooded in parts, Keizer could be, too.
[04:09] <travisgonzales23> that's too bad
[04:10] <c_smith> the State Penitentiary has a moat courtesy of the flooding, Salem Hospital has certain streets in it flooded.
[04:10] <travisgonzales23> I remember back in '96
[04:10] <travisgonzales23> it was bad
[04:10] <travisgonzales23> all over
[04:10] <c_smith> this state of emergency is comparable to that.
[04:10] <c_smith> but more localized.
[04:11] <travisgonzales23> Keep me posted
[04:11] <travisgonzales23> earlier today  bkerensa
[04:11] <travisgonzales23> was getting me set up on ZNC
[04:11] <travisgonzales23> but I had to run
[04:12] <travisgonzales23> you are on it right?
[04:12] <travisgonzales23> sounds pretty cool
[04:12] <travisgonzales23> I was hoping to catch him on here tonight now that I have a little time
[04:12] <c_smith> yes, I'm on it.
[04:13] <travisgonzales23> well I will after my sons story time and tuck in
[04:13] <c_smith> but if he didn't give you the login info, there's no way I can help there.
[04:13] <c_smith> other than that, I can definitely help when you get time.
[04:14] <travisgonzales23> he gave me the log on info not sure how much is kosher to say here
[04:14] <travisgonzales23> he gave it to me in PM
[04:15] <travisgonzales23> I remember the port the user and password the easy part the server I think I am messing up:P
[04:15] <travisgonzales23> do you use empathy?
[04:16] <c_smith> I'd recommend installing and using xchat for the vnc server.
[04:16] <c_smith> "sudo apt-get install xchat" in a terminal (without quotes) will do the job.
[04:16] <travisgonzales23> BRB storytime
[04:17] <c_smith> k
[04:19] <c_smith> heya, MarkDude!
[04:20]  * c_smith jams to Boiler by Limp Bizkit
[04:23] <bkerensa> hi
[04:23] <c_smith> hello, bkerensa
[04:26] <c_smith> bkerensa, travisgonzales23 is going to be wanting your help with the vnc server
[04:26] <c_smith> also, thanks again for letting me use it.
[04:27] <bkerensa> I saw
[04:27] <bkerensa> all he needs is to put the server, user/pass info into his irc client
[04:27] <bkerensa> and connect to it like a normal irc server
[04:28] <c_smith> I recall having trouble with Empathy connecting to the vnc server.
[04:28] <c_smith> didn't authenticate correctly.
[04:29] <c_smith> it was that and pidgin I had problems with with.
[04:30] <bkerensa> I always use xchat
[04:30] <bkerensa> Empathy and Pidgin are not good for IRC at all
[04:31] <c_smith> yeah, I told him to grab xchat if he wants to avoid frustrations in Empathy.
[04:31] <c_smith> might have been a bit abrasive, but it's true.
[04:31] <bkerensa> yeah
[04:32]  * bkerensa has to go do stuff ttyl
[04:33] <c_smith> cya
[04:36] <travisgonzales23> I'm back
[04:36] <travisgonzales23> I don't think you were abrasive C
[04:36] <c_smith> ah, ok
[04:36] <travisgonzales23> Maybe a bit matter of fact but there is a difference
[04:36] <c_smith> but yeah, you saw what bkerensa said, correct?
[04:36] <travisgonzales23> yeah
[04:36] <c_smith> so, first thing I'd do if I was you is install Xchat,
[04:37] <travisgonzales23> let me get Xchat and we will be on our way
[04:37] <travisgonzales23> one second
[04:37] <c_smith> Empathy will run you into problems from the start.
[04:38] <travisgonzales23> do you think I just remove empathy to avoid conflicts? or keep it for Facebook and G-chat?
[04:38] <c_smith> do you have the server address?
[04:38] <c_smith> I'd keep it, there are no conflicts.
[04:38] <travisgonzales23> that was the part I forgot I remember the parts I think
[04:39] <travisgonzales23> cloud......???ubuntu????
[04:39] <c_smith> I have never uninstalled Empathy, as I occasionally use if for FB and Google myself.
[04:39] <c_smith> k, let me grab the file I have with the server address.
[04:39] <travisgonzales23> I do remember the port though
[04:39] <c_smith> Server: cloud.ubuntu-oregon.org
[04:39] <c_smith> Port 3169
[04:40] <travisgonzales23> funny I remember the random number
[04:40] <c_smith> I'd recommend putting it in a text file on a seperate storage if you have a bad memory, I do that, wouldn't remember the address otherwise.
[04:40] <c_smith> and you remember the login info, correct?
[04:41] <c_smith> I can't give you that myself.
[04:41] <travisgonzales23> I believe so
[04:41] <travisgonzales23> we will see
[04:41] <travisgonzales23> :)
[04:42] <c_smith> k, you know how to add a server to Xchat, right? it's a two step process.
[04:44] <c_smith> Oregon is getting hit hard by bad weather. at least it aint nukes.
[04:47] <travisgonzales23> so I think I got most of it myself kinda pridefull but I always like to try first
[04:47] <travisgonzales23> just can't seem to find where to enter the port
[04:49] <c_smith> enter it in the server field like this: servername/port
[04:49] <travisgonzales23> gotit
[04:49] <c_smith> in this case it would be cloud.ubuntu-oregon.org/3169
[04:53] <travisgonzales23> I guess I had the password wrong
[04:54] <c_smith> hmmmm, how are you entering it? I ran into a similar problem at the start.
[04:54] <c_smith> it should be exactly like this: /quote PASS username:password
[04:55] <c_smith> replace "username" and "password"
[04:56] <travisgonzales23> I will have to try again later I have to call my girlfiend
[04:56] <travisgonzales23> BRB
[04:56] <c_smith> k, cya
[06:15] <travisgonzales23> I am back any body here?
[06:15] <travisgonzales23> c_smith not sure what you meant with the username password thing
[06:16] <travisgonzales23> I do remember a specific password he ave me
[06:16] <travisgonzales23> bkerensa you here?
[06:22] <travisgonzales23> ah well I guess I will see if I can give it a shot tomorrow
[06:23] <travisgonzales23> bkerensa Thank you so much for the offer I am sure we will iron it out thanks again
[06:23] <travisgonzales23> c_smith thank you again for the help
[07:19] <bkerensa> izdubar: ;p
[07:40]  * bkerensa slaps MarkDude around with a large trout
[08:53] <TRAVISg_> I have no clue how TRAVISg is logged in. I don't know I thought that was my nick but ehhh
[09:05] <Tgonza> Okay going to idle here in Xchat with my assumed identity until tomorrow who knows how late then hope some one wasn't able to leave there house and can help me figure this out
[09:06] <Tgonza> Not that I hope any one gets flooded in but I'm just saying it's a friday so if your stuck in I will take the help ;)
[15:01] <Tgonza> good morning all
[16:40] <bkerensa> :D
[16:40] <bkerensa> TRAVISg_ its the znc
[16:40] <bkerensa> Tgonza even
[16:41] <bkerensa> it stays connected persistently thats why you connect through ZNC
[16:41] <bkerensa> instead of directly to the irc server
[16:41] <bkerensa> give me a few seconds and I go ahead and make up a screencast on how to use ZNC :)
[16:41] <bkerensa> I have to put away groceries :P
[17:14] <shannonlucas> I still can't even get to the grocery store :p
[17:15] <shannonlucas> But it is finally melting up here
[17:16] <albrigha> where are you shannonlucas?
[17:16] <shannonlucas> albrigha: seattle
[17:16] <albrigha> I'm in OC..and we only got a little. and it all melted pretty promptly
[17:16] <albrigha> (oregon city)
[17:16] <albrigha> ah I see
[17:16] <shannonlucas> Got about 4 inches where I'm at
[17:23] <bkerensa> nice
[17:23] <bkerensa> albrigha: If your still using ZNC and you use xchat in the network field
[17:23] <bkerensa> you can just put server password as zncusername:zncpass
[17:25] <bkerensa> heh
[17:25] <bkerensa> we had lots of snow in SW for two days
[17:28] <bkerensa> albrigha: http://imgur.com/n7Idw
[18:08] <albrigha> bkerensa: haha awesome!
[18:28] <albrigha> bkerensa: sorry I haven't worked on getting znc hooked up quite yet
[22:55]  * c_smith lost connection due to Kubuntu acting up
[23:03] <c_smith> hello
[23:18] <cweber10> hello
[23:19] <albrigha> hello!
[23:19] <tgm4883> Hello!
[23:21] <c_smith> how is everyone?
[23:27] <Brian_H> Hi!
[23:27] <c_smith> heya, Brian_H!
[23:30] <Brian_H> how goes it
[23:30] <c_smith> so, has anyone here heard about the Marion county flooding? a lot of Salem has that, certain Cherriots routes are change or stopped completely because of it, good thing for me Routes 9 and 19 aren't stopped.
[23:30] <c_smith> not bad, had a day off of school because of said flooding.
[23:47] <Brian_H> heck yea
[23:49] <c_smith> yup, last night there was a state of emergency due to the flooding.


[01:15] <poningru> someone do a writeup on the ppc thing
[04:00] <Burgundavia> who is around?
[04:01] <rjian> just me corey.. :)
[04:04] <Burgundavia> right
[04:04] <rjian> hehe
[05:19] <Burgundavia> hey tonyyarusso
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Hey...I decided I have no idea what's going on with the server, so it's back up and running and IBM is sending me a new CMOS battery.
[05:20] <Burgundavia> right
[05:21] <tonyyarusso> And I added myself for the next CC mtg, but Seveas says they might not be dealing with membership applicants at it, so I dunno.
[05:21] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:23] <tonyyarusso> That would be a bummer, since I'm free that day too, and the Canada folks will be there.
[05:55] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:02] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: hi there
[06:02] <Madpilot> hi lotusleaf
[06:02] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: how are ya?
[06:03] <Madpilot> ill.   It should have been 30 minutes before anyone responded.  ;)
[07:01] <lotusleaf> *<:O)
[07:23] <elkbuntu> jenda, stickers have landed :)
[07:39] <BHSPitLappy> what kind, what kind?
[07:49] <lotusleaf> I'd like some black light ubuntu logo stickers, myself
[07:51] <elkbuntu> BHSPitLappy, i got what is effectively jendas sticker cache :
[07:51] <BHSPitLappy> what do they look like
[09:44] <elkbuntu> MitchM_, can you pretty pretty please un-kill devubuntu?
[11:40] <jenda> elkbuntu: great :)
[11:40] <jenda> like them?
[11:40] <elkbuntu> jenda, yeppers
[11:40] <jenda> good ;)
[11:43] <danbuch929> mornin' y'all
[03:11] <urba1> Hi everyone!
[03:12] <urba1> This is my first time in this channel
[03:13] <urba1> I want to help this team, can anyone indicate to me what is the best way to start?
[03:23] <nixternal> urba1: you just started about the best way that one could :)
[03:23] <jenda> ooh
[03:23] <nixternal> welcome!
[03:24] <urba1> /who Burgunda
[03:24] <jenda> welcome, urba1
[03:24] <jenda> Did you see the marketing team's wikipage?
[03:24] <urba1> Thank YOU!
[03:24] <urba1> Yes
[03:24] <jenda> Good :)
[03:24] <urba1> I already read it a few times
[03:24] <jenda> basically, there are two ways to help, in general: help a current project, or start a new one.
[03:24] <jenda> I recommend the former :)
[03:25] <urba1> I would like to help in the Ubuntu Weekly News
[03:26] <jenda> projects that can use your help are UWN, Spreadubuntu/DIY, ... dunno what else, maybe the media.
[03:26] <urba1> I have some ideias that I would like to discuss
[03:26] <jenda> ah, in that case...
[03:26] <jenda> just dive right in ;)
[03:26] <urba1> How?
[03:26] <jenda> it's edited right on the wiki.
[03:26] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue24
[03:26] <jenda> That's the next issue.
[03:27] <jenda> You can read, add, proofread, correct, etc.
[03:27] <urba1> Nice!
[03:27] <jenda> The leader of that project is Burgundavia / Burgwork .
[03:27] <urba1> to give some other ideias I must talk with Burgundavua or Burgwork
[03:27] <urba1> ?
[03:28] <urba1> Right?
[03:28] <jenda> No.
[03:28] <jenda> You can just add them in. If you aren't sure if they're fit - ask the team first.
[03:28] <jenda> Corey will have the last word on including / not including them.
[03:29] <urba1> Ok
[03:29] <jenda> and - I'm off ;)
[03:29] <jenda> see you later.
[03:30] <urba1> I'm still to fresh in collaborating in free software community
[03:30] <urba1> So I must go slower
[03:32] <urba1> Thanks a lot for the help.
[03:32] <urba1> till a next day
[03:32] <urba1> /close
[04:14] <MitchM_> elkbuntu: Whats wrong?
[04:18] <MitchM_> elkbuntu, Server has not been down for a long time now
[04:24] <MitchM> (months)
[07:58] <tsmithe> wow!
[07:58] <MenZa> SHUT UP!
[07:58] <tsmithe> you were the first activity in here for two hours!
[07:58] <MenZa> :o
[07:59] <tsmithe> not you
[07:59] <tsmithe> cellofellow!
[07:59] <cellofellow> hi
[07:59] <MenZa> :(
[07:59] <jenda> huh?
[07:59] <jenda> MenZa?
[07:59] <tsmithe> cellofellow was the first activity in here for two hours!
[07:59] <jenda> tsmithe: that's quite regular.
[07:59] <tsmithe> i guess MenZa wanted not to break the silence
[07:59] <tsmithe> :)
[08:00] <jenda> cellofellow: I know I saw an email from you somewhere... :)
[08:00] <cellofellow> I'm just here cause I was gven a job to work with other Ubuntu teams by the Xubuntu guys in the last community meeting.
[08:00] <MenZa> jenda: harro :D
[08:00] <jenda> well, we're one of them, cellofellow ;)
[08:00] <MenZa> jenda: printer troubles, so I couldn't print them today
[08:00] <MenZa> If it's not fixed in the morning, I'll break down the door
[08:00] <tsmithe> cellofellow, aren't you here to spread ubuntu?!
[08:00] <MenZa> (my boss threw the key to the printing room away xD)
[08:01] <jenda> MenZa: np :)
[08:01] <jenda> rofl :)
[08:01] <cellofellow> yes, of course. Xubuntu to be more specific, but Ubuntu too.
[08:01] <tsmithe> we don't have much xubuntu marketing stuffs, or am i mistaken?
[08:01] <jenda> cellofellow: I can supply you with a few of MenZa's Xubuntu case badges :)
[08:01] <cellofellow> jenda: cool.
[08:01] <jenda> tsmithe: just those, nothing else.
[08:01] <tsmithe> i guessed so
[08:02] <tsmithe> anyone want a job?
[08:02] <MenZa> The ones I've printed for myself not that long ago are horrible quality
[08:02] <MenZa> So I'll make sure my prints tomorrow aren't
[08:02] <cellofellow> ok
[08:02] <cellofellow> well, I'm just here to check in, say hi. I'll be back in a while with some ideas.
[08:03] <jenda> cellofellow|away: we'll be glad to see them here, but the best place is the mailing list.
[09:00] <Burgwork> http://www.unix-tutorials.com//go.php?id=728 < -- for the UWN
[10:05] <TheGods> I AM THEGODS
[10:05] <TheGods> not just known as
[10:05] <TheGods> oops
[10:05] <TheGods> WE ARE THEGODS
[10:10] <jenda> please...
[10:18] <danbuchWork> Burgwork: dunno if this is UWN-worthy, but --> http://www.crn.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=0BB0CJVURDO2GQSNDLRSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=196601151&queryText=indiana+linux
[10:19] <Burgwork> not Ubuntu, but a good read
[10:19] <danbuchWork> the tech company I work for has just begun a relationship with Indiana schools, and according to the state's Tech Coordinator, many of the 22k desktops in use are Ubuntu
[10:19] <Burgwork> yep, I have spoken with one of the guys for their
[10:19] <Burgwork> simon a-somebody
[10:20] <danbuchWork> hrm...    cool - we had a nice meeting with Mike somethin' or other - he's Mr. head honcho supposedly
[10:20] <danbuchWork> good people
[10:28] <tonyyarusso> danbuchWork: I exchanged an e-mail or two with Mike - seems like a cool venture.
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> anyway, I'm off to class
[10:29] <danbuchWork> tonyyarusso:  indeed... apparently it's primarily driven by financial considerations, but they're all linux nuts all the same
[10:30] <tonyyarusso> ;)
[10:36] <jamesbrose> Are there any inspiring document about ubuntu? I am taking it to a conference in my rural town and i want something to show people how great it is
[10:36] <jamesbrose> and how its technology should be more widespread
[10:37] <Burgwork> hmm, nothing in one page
[10:57] <Burgwork> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/12/05/2134243
[11:02] <poningru> Burgwork: latest marketing list email
[11:02] <poningru> from jae something
[11:02] <Burgwork> right, see it
[11:03] <jenda> When do people learn they can only send to mailing lists once they register...
[11:04] <poningru> jenda: dude I forgot the list admin site :(
[11:04] <poningru> I keep going to the other admin site
[11:04] <jenda> BTW, I asked Jane to up the spamassassin filter on that list, because the spam was getting a little too tough for my tastes (10/day)
[11:05] <jenda> poningru: it sends you a link with every notification you get :)
[11:05] <poningru> notification?
[11:05] <jenda> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/admindb/ubuntu-marketing
[11:05] <jenda> you don't get notifications?
[11:05] <jenda> I get them for _every_ damn filtered message, subscription and unsubscription :-D
[11:05] <poningru> wtf
[11:05] <poningru> I would like to get it
[11:07] <jenda> A say hollar to jane.
[11:08] <jenda> poningru: jane dot silber at canonical dot com.
[11:10] <poningru> ok
[11:10] <poningru> thanks


[02:29] <snypz> hello all
[12:41] <cmaloney> Morning
[12:41] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I see you found your dream-keyboard
[13:06] <SneakyPhil> good morning
[14:07] <rick_h_> cmaloney: :) and going to try the greens
[14:07] <cmaloney> Y'know, if I could figure out how to get mutt to display images for rss feeds I'd be happier
[14:07] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Really? I'd like to give them a quick test as well
[14:07] <rick_h_> we'll see then when this thing massdrops :)
[14:07] <cmaloney> I'd love to get my hands on some clears to try out
[14:08] <rick_h_> I wanted to try something firmer than the blues
[14:08] <rick_h_> quiet mechanical keyboard fml :P
[14:08] <cmaloney> Oh, those are clacky?
[14:08] <cmaloney> Right, greens are clacky.
[14:08] <cmaloney> n/m. :)
[14:29] <cmaloney> Seriously though, if mutt had better image support I think I'd ditch Thunderbird entirely.
[14:47] <SneakyPhil> would something like this work? https://cuasan.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/viewing-images-with-mutt-on-ubuntu-via-mailcap-configuration/
[14:47] <cmaloney> Hm, that's interesting. :)
[14:48] <cmaloney> Was hoping for something more like w3m handing the images
[14:48] <cmaloney> since it does that pretty brilliantly.
[14:50] <SneakyPhil> boom http://paul.kuntke.de/blog/2012/07/16/view-images-in-mutt/
[15:59] <cmaloney> Thanks. Unfortunately I thinkn there's something hinky in my mutt config.
[16:00] <derekv> how in the world can you still use mutt?
[16:00] <derekv> i had to give up like 10 years ago since everyone was sending me html
[16:00] <greg-g> every mail client sucks, it just sucks the least
[16:00] <greg-g> I use mutt for all work and personal email
[16:00] <derekv> eh, i'd say it was the best
[16:00] <derekv> but i couldn't get it wired up to handle html in any reasonable way
[16:01] <greg-g> derekv: read the tagline that I misquoted: http://www.mutt.org/  ;)
[16:01] <cmaloney> derekv: I like it because it gets me in and out of mail quicker than thunderbird
[16:02] <cmaloney> I can focus
[16:02] <greg-g> taht
[16:02] <cmaloney> The only problem is I use rss2email for feeds
[16:03] <cmaloney> and opening a browser for comics is a royal PITA
[16:03] <greg-g> so, lack of focus :)
[16:03] <greg-g> oh
[16:03] <derekv> yea i'm totally in agreement... nvm i'll ask later
[16:03] <derekv> gtg
[16:05] <cmaloney> I mean it's kind of an edge-case
[16:05] <cmaloney> and frankly it's not a deal-breaker but it's my biggest nice-to-have
[16:05] <cmaloney> And yes, I could use [rss-feeder-of-choice] instead
[16:06] <cmaloney> but rss2email really fits my workflow
[16:57] <mrgoodcat> any dwm users here?
[16:58] <rick_h_> nope, awesomeWM
[17:09] <cscheib> xfce
[17:15] <cmaloney> Unity. :)
[17:16] <cscheib> ugh.
[17:16] <cscheib> oops, did I say that out loud?
[17:19] <greg-g> gnome-shell!
[17:39] <SneakyPhil> gui? doesn't that make things all sticky
[17:42] <mrgoodcat> well i guess my question isn't really dwm specific anyways. i'm trying to get the volume of hw:0,0 in c. for some reason i keep getting 87...
[17:44] <mrgoodcat> ah nevermind i got it


[10:10] <Langjan> Good day all, is all well with everybody?
[10:17] <Langjan> What is the "snapcraft"- thing in a nutshell to a complete layman?
[10:18] <Langjan> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/11/22/announcing-snapcraft-2-35/?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTlRsaFl6UmpPVE5sWlRjMyIsInQiOiJxSkdxdmNCaWpKVk9DK0dCanNjMEtHNkZ5TUZ5R3d5Z2xKakJpZytGUGpnZmFXaDNrTEtPSlc4UHBINUJ5amIrWUJJNUVcL0p3NGVTV1J5MXpLYklNWWlzMWJONVE0QUtrV04yZktLekFJR1FlZTZOaklTMGlDSnJDRDBSa1pvMGYifQ%3D%3D
[10:19] <Langjan> How are things with you Kilos? Have not heard from you in ages.
[12:42] <Langjan> Anybody home?
[17:35] <Kilos> aha
[17:35] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[17:35] <Kilos> sorry slept most of the afternoon away
[18:25] <Langjan> Hi Kilos, sorry we were out to watch the rugby and for dinner. You still awake?
[19:37] <Kilos> yes Langjan im here
[19:37] <Kilos> on and off
[19:37] <Kilos> what is the rugby
[19:38] <Kilos> or what was The rugby
[19:38] <Kilos> who won
[19:39] <Langjan> SA lost 23-21 to Wales but the Blitzboks won the Dubai cup with a 24-12 win over arch-rivals New Zealand.
[19:39] <Kilos> at least we got something
[19:39] <Kilos> how can we lose to wales
[19:40] <Kilos> they only 50 rugby players in the whole country
[19:40] <Langjan> Yes and confirmation that it's time for Allister to make way for somebody who understands rugby.
[19:40] <Kilos> lol
[19:41] <Langjan> Have you tried Snapcraft?
[19:41] <Kilos> no what is that
[19:41] <Langjan> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/11/22/announcing-snapcraft-2-35/?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTlRsaFl6UmpPVE5sWlRjMyIsInQiOiJxSkdxdmNCaWpKVk9DK0dCanNjMEtHNkZ5TUZ5R3d5Z2xKakJpZytGUGpnZmFXaDNrTEtPSlc4UHBINUJ5amIrWUJJNUVcL0p3NGVTV1J5MXpLYklNWWlzMWJONVE0QUtrV04yZktLekFJR1FlZTZOaklTMGlDSnJDRDBSa1pvMGYifQ%3D%3D
[19:42] <Langjan> How's your health?
[19:42] <Kilos> im not bad ty, but too old to learn more new stuff
[19:43] <Langjan> OK good and the girls?
[19:43] <Kilos> they ok too ty
[19:43] <Kilos> i wont ask how you all are, you never get sick
[19:44] <Kilos> does that snap stuff work inside your ubuntu
[19:44] <Langjan> Good send my love. Antoinette and her daughter have just landed in Tasmania for an art tour and are going to doo an exhibition in Tasman as part of their studies.
[19:45] <Langjan> Have not tried snapcraft, stll wondering what its all about.
[19:45] <Kilos> there has been lots of talk about it for quite a while now but i havent taken note
[19:46] <Kilos> dont you get the ubuntu weekly magazine
[19:46] <Langjan> Yes it was in there that I saw the article.
[19:47] <Kilos> ah
[19:47] <Langjan> A bit (or a lot) over my head.
[19:47] <Kilos> lol
[19:48] <Langjan> Good to chat and happy that you are OK, I'm going to log off now. Bedtime. Slaap lekker my goeie vriend.
[19:48] <Kilos> sleep well sir, ty for looking in
[19:48] <Langjan> My pleasure
[19:49] <Langjan>  Sorry I've been scarce, have been very busy and spent a week in Mozambique with land issues
[19:49] <Kilos> no prob, i have also been quiet
[19:50] <Kilos> mind you
[19:50] <Kilos> everyone here seems to be in hibernation
[19:50] <Langjan> Must be the heat...
[19:50] <Kilos> lol
[19:50] <Langjan> in the south we hibernate when its hot
[19:51] <Kilos> when was it hot
[19:51] <Langjan> and when it's cold as well
[19:51] <Langjan> we hibernate all the time
[19:51] <Kilos> lol
[19:51] <Langjan> when in Africa do as the Africans do
[19:51] <Kilos> oh my then nothing will get done
[19:52] <Kilos> dont do today what you can put off till tomorrow
[19:52] <Langjan> Correct, so Zuma can manouvre well
[19:52] <Langjan> slaap lekker!
[19:52] <Kilos> jy okk dankie my vriend
[19:52] <Kilos> ook
[19:52] <Langjan> Dankie Kilos
[19:53] <Langjan> Look after yourself
[19:53] <Kilos> will do and you do the same
[19:53] <Langjan> thks, 'bye
[19:53] <Kilos> chow now


[02:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#1276 closed: sources: validate unknown source-type in yaml <Created by EduardoVega> <Closed by EduardoVega> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1276>
[02:55] <mup> Bug #1688103 opened: Classic confinement should allow preservation of $HOME <Snapcraft:New> <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1688103>
[03:26] <mup> PR snapcraft#1297 opened: sources: validate unknown source-type in yaml <Created by EduardoVega> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1297>
[03:35] <mup> PR snapcraft#1298 opened: Reroll of proposed JHBuild plugin <Created by diddledan> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1298>
[07:07] <pstolowski> morning
[07:33] <zyga> good morning!
[07:34]  * zyga will be back soon, just overslept;
[09:38]  * Chipaca looks around for a zyga
[09:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#1299 opened: asset-tracking: save the dependencies of build packages <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1299>
[10:38] <Son_Goku> niemeyer: yo
[10:46] <mup> PR snapd#3266 closed: interfaces: allow plugging DBus clients to introspect the slot service  <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3266>
[10:48] <Chipaca> zyga: un zyga!
[10:48] <Chipaca> zyga: hello, you
[10:48] <zyga> Chipaca: hey, I was sleeping :/
[10:48] <Chipaca> zyga: excellent
[10:48]  * zyga feels dizzy today, perhaps it is a sign to take a day off
[10:49] <Chipaca> zyga: if you're not feeling well, get out of here
[10:49] <Chipaca> zyga: don't want to get internet cooties
[10:50] <zyga> Chipaca: I just flet sleepy
[10:50] <zyga> I'll file half a day off and take it slow
[10:50] <Chipaca> zyga: how many hours did you sleep?
[10:51] <zyga> not sure, I just got back here
[10:51] <Chipaca> zyga: (if you're late from sleeping too much because the other days you were working late instead of sleeping, i don't think you should file half a day)
[10:51] <zyga> no, last night my daughter decided to stuff instead of behaving like a normal child, she was up way past 1AM
[10:52] <Chipaca> daughters gonna daught
[10:53] <zyga> haha
[10:53] <zyga> nice :)
[10:55] <Chipaca> zyga: i've addressed your concerns in etelpmoc i think
[10:55] <Chipaca> zyga: fwiw ${!x} is variable indirection
[10:55] <Chipaca> i.e. if $x is foo, ${!x} is $foo
[10:55] <zyga> indirection? so like ${${x}} ?
[10:55] <zyga> a
[10:55] <zyga> ah
[10:55] <zyga> wow
[10:55] <zyga> I didn't know that
[10:55]  * zyga does that in make but not in bash
[10:55]  * zyga hugs make
[11:01] <Chipaca> zyga: i suspect https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/builds/228530132?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification is the hook timeout thing
[11:01] <zyga> Chipaca: looking
[11:02] <zyga> Chipaca: though it should no longer time out AFAIK
[11:02] <zyga> ha
[11:02]  * zyga looks at details
[11:02] <zyga> ah, yes
[11:02] <zyga> perhaps master is not merged into this yet?
[11:06] <Chipaca> zyga: that's correct, this is merging release/2.25 back into master
[11:06] <Chipaca> all it is is the changelogs
[11:07] <Chipaca> as such, I'm merging them even though travis is grumpy
[11:07] <Chipaca> zyga: ok?
[11:07] <Chipaca> agj! i can't
[11:07] <Chipaca> well... not on the website anyway
[11:07] <Chipaca> :-)
[11:08] <zyga> Chipaca: I think we can merge master into that branch
[11:08] <zyga> Chipaca: then it will merge
[11:08] <zyga> Chipaca: it's silly but should work
[11:08]  * zyga tries
[11:08] <Chipaca> zyga: i can do this
[11:08] <Chipaca> already have the branch
[11:08] <zyga> ok
[11:09] <zyga> Chipaca: question about the oldish PRs
[11:09] <zyga> Chipaca: I feel we should fork and close the old PRs where we cannot push into them directly
[11:09] <zyga> Chipaca: and take them over
[11:09] <Chipaca> there, merged master
[11:09] <zyga> Chipaca: thanks!
[11:09] <Chipaca> zyga: which ones can't we push into directly?
[11:10] <Chipaca> zyga: (yes, fork and close those, but which?)
[11:11] <zyga> Chipaca: those that do not belong to team members, e.g. https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2869
[11:11] <mup> PR snapd#2869: interfaces/builtin: add online-accounts-service interface <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2869>
[11:11] <Chipaca> zyga: that one says i can push to it
[11:12] <zyga> Chipaca: oh? maybe bad example
[11:12]  * zyga looks
[11:12] <zyga> yes
[11:12] <Chipaca> they would've had to manually untick the "let team members push" for it to be the case
[11:13] <zyga> ah, that's good then
[11:13] <zyga> maybe it's a new thing; I didn't see this before on those branches
[11:13] <zyga> or maybe they ticked that back in between :)
[11:13] <Chipaca> zyga: what do you want to do with snapd#3264?
[11:13] <mup> PR snapd#3264: tests: remove quoting from [[ ]] when globs <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3264>
[11:14] <zyga> Chipaca: yeah, I'll look
[11:14] <zyga> Chipaca: I think you are right
[11:14] <zyga> Chipaca: and it might explain why it worked before
[11:14] <zyga> Chipaca: the test was buggy twice
[11:14] <Chipaca> zyga: morphis replied there
[11:14] <zyga> Chipaca: so it worked
[11:14] <zyga> Chipaca: oh, looking
[11:14] <Chipaca> hehe
[11:15] <zyga> haha
[11:15] <zyga> nice
[11:15] <zyga> morphis: thanks; I'll correct that
[11:16] <zyga> done
[11:16] <Chipaca> I'm still disappointed [[ doesn't properly ligature into 〚
[11:17] <zyga> oh
[11:17] <zyga> it does :)
[11:17] <zyga> btw, I have to show this to you
[11:17] <zyga> if you like things like that
[11:18] <zyga> https://github.com/tonsky/FiraCode
[11:18] <Chipaca> there's a emacs mode that does that sort of thing when writing haskell
[11:18] <zyga> if you work in atom
[11:18] <zyga> it works in any language
[11:18] <zyga> and I must say it does look very pretty and readable
[11:18] <zyga> I use it
[11:18] <Chipaca> i tried atom, but no
[11:18] <Chipaca> muscle memory is a good thing to have, and it's wasted in atom
[11:18] <zyga> you can use any editor that can grok font features like that
[11:19] <Chipaca> (also, if i use emacs instead of atom, i can finally point at it and laugh about memory usage!)
[11:19] <zyga> it's juts that only atom did (for the set that I tried)
[11:19] <zyga> terminal is too dumb
[11:19] <zyga> and I bet emacs (which I dind't try, or I'd be still trying to close it ;-) can too
[11:19] <zyga> hahaha
[11:19] <zyga> well
[11:19] <zyga> I hate atom for constantly using 5-15% CPU
[11:19] <zyga> for whatever
[11:20] <zyga> and using 1.5GB of ram
[11:20] <Chipaca> closing emacs is really hard: File -> Quit
[11:20] <Chipaca> :-P
[11:20] <Chipaca> (but, yeah, muscle memory)
[11:20] <zyga> oh, it seems to work in kde kosole
[11:20] <zyga> I know ^C^X
[11:20] <zyga> or something like that
[11:21] <zyga> ^X^C
[11:21] <Chipaca> half of the time if i have to think of it i don't get it
[11:21] <Chipaca> like, the combo for making a paragraph of text justified to a certain width
[11:21] <zyga> I ran vim to try
[11:21] <zyga> vim prints :quit instructions if you do :)
[11:22] <zyga> I know how to use emacs but I just prefer vim
[11:22] <Chipaca> :-)
[11:22] <zyga> yeah
[11:22] <zyga> I know how to do that in vim but I cannot remember, I have to just do it by trying
[11:22] <Chipaca> yeap. And that's great :-)
[11:22] <Chipaca> so why waste it
[11:23] <Chipaca> anyway. lunch.
[11:23] <zyga> ok, we have 30 branches
[11:23] <zyga> I'm taking oldest one
[11:23] <zyga> ok, let's skip that one
[11:23] <zyga> I'll take 2nd oldest (mine)
[11:24]  * didrocks is really happy about Visual Studio Code for any Go development. Doesn't use (from my testing) as much memory or CPU that atom, more feature, and font ligature with Fira Code as mentioned ;)
[11:28] <Chipaca> didrocks: when it's in a snap i'll try it :-)
[11:29] <mup> PR snapd#3270 opened: adjust Nice and oom_score levels for snapd <Created by ogra1> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3270>
[11:33] <zyga> Chipaca: there's a snap
[11:33] <zyga> Chipaca: sergio uses it
[11:33] <zyga> didrocks: I love visual studio code btw
[11:33] <zyga> didrocks: I really wish some of the new editors could be used on windows with ubuntu for windows
[11:33] <zyga> (but if you do your files are wasted, poor implementation from microsoft)
[11:36] <didrocks> zyga: yeah, I don't personnally have that issues, but indeed, this is one I imagine
[11:38] <zyga> didrocks: well, on real ubuntu I just use vim :)
[11:39]  * didrocks would miss sourcegraph on pure vim
[11:40]  * ogra_ is always annoyed ending up with all the ":wq"'s in non vim edited files :P
[11:41] <zyga> didrocks: what is sourcegraph?
[11:41] <zyga> hehe
[11:42] <mup> PR snapd#3271 opened: cmd/snap-confine: use /etc/ssl from the core snap <Created by morphis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3271>
[11:42] <morphis> zyga: ^^
[11:44] <zyga> morphis: +1
[11:44] <zyga> morphis: could we reuse the /etc/alternatives test
[11:44] <zyga> morphis: and use environment trick to multiply it?
[11:44] <zyga> morphis: I think it largely does this already
[11:44] <morphis> zyga: sure
[11:44] <zyga> morphis: can you please?
[11:44] <zyga> morphis: (feel free to rename it to something appropriate)
[11:45] <zyga> morphis: and this is very nice, it should fix docker on openssl!
[11:45] <zyga> er
[11:45] <zyga> opensuse :D
[11:45] <zyga> openthis openthat
[11:45] <morphis> docker and lxd :-)
[11:46] <morphis> zyga: there is something still wrong in the test, however enough for a first review :-)
[11:51] <didrocks> zyga: https://sourcegraph.com/, you can look up for references, how certain APIs are used in the wild (on github in particular), have the documentation and referenced linked to any usage, even in a PR on GH
[11:51] <didrocks> doesn't work in all languages, but quite awesome in Go :)
[11:59] <zyga> didrocks: interesting
[12:02] <zyga> Chipaca: question, I need to teach interfaces about "snap try"
[12:02] <zyga> Chipaca: we have snap.ConfinementType
[12:03] <zyga> Chipaca: but that doesn't feel quite right
[12:03] <Chipaca> zyga: tell me more -- why does snap try affect interfaces?
[12:04] <zyga> Chipaca: because in try mode on encrypted $HOME we need special internal snippet
[12:04] <zyga> Chipaca: I see that we also have interfaces.ConfinementOptions
[12:04] <zyga> Chipaca: and that feels good, it's a struct with booleans
[12:04] <Chipaca> try is not a confinement type
[12:05] <zyga> Chipaca: it's not a type
[12:05] <Chipaca> if you need it exposed, doing it via ConfinementOptions feels better, yes
[12:05] <zyga> Chipaca: (not ConfinementType, ConfinementOptions)
[12:05] <zyga> yeah
[12:05] <Chipaca> zyga: yeah, was responding to your "we have snap.ConfinementType"
[12:05] <zyga> I'll do that
[12:05] <zyga> right
[12:05] <zyga> IRC :)
[12:05] <zyga> thanks!
[12:05] <zyga> I didn't remember we have COptions
[12:30] <zyga> crypted home is funky
[12:31] <zyga> Chipaca: it's funny that all the work that went into update-ns can be reused from snapd now
[12:31] <zyga> Chipaca: (as in looking for mounted cyptfs in /home)
[12:31] <Chipaca> zyga: hilarious
[12:31] <zyga> Chipaca: well, unexpected benefit of writing it in go
[12:32] <Chipaca> :-)
[12:32] <Chipaca> i think i need a nap
[12:32]  * Chipaca grumpy
[12:33] <zyga> Chipaca: do! I feel better after!
[12:33] <zyga> Chipaca: siesta :)
[12:41] <zyga> Chipaca: still here?
[12:42]  * zyga traces the code from daemon to see what's happening
[12:46] <Chipaca> zyga: yes
[12:48] <zyga> Chipaca: I'm trying to grok if snap.Info is sufficient to know where snap try is coming from (where's the directory)
[12:48]  * zyga would like to have a nice "snap list --internal" or something that showes all the data without any transformation but with mimimal pretty printing
[12:49] <Chipaca> zyga: just hit the rest api :-)
[12:49] <Chipaca> http snapd:///v2/snaps/thesnap
[12:49] <zyga> ah
[12:49]  * zyga tries
[12:50] <zyga> hmm
[12:50] <Chipaca> zyga: the "trymode" in the rest api is gotten from snapstate
[12:50] <zyga> seems not :/
[12:50] <zyga> I need the actual directory
[12:50] <Chipaca> ah! you need the actual directory?
[12:51] <zyga> yep
[12:51] <zyga> I might infer that from bind mount data
[12:51] <zyga> but scary
[12:52]  * zyga looks at state
[12:52] <niemeyer> Son_Goku: Heya
[12:53] <niemeyer> Hi all
[12:53] <ogra_> yo
[12:53] <zyga> Chipaca: ah, we dont store that at all!
[12:53] <zyga> Chipaca: it's thrown out after the change is done
[12:53] <zyga> hey niemeyer
[12:53] <Chipaca> zyga: it's SnapPath in the SnapSetup
[12:54] <zyga> Chipaca: yes but that's in a change
[12:54] <zyga> Chipaca: not in the state :/
[12:54] <zyga> Chipaca: (snap state)
[12:56] <Son_Goku> niemeyer: hey, so the snappy sprint date sounds good to me
[12:56] <Son_Goku> but I need to first see if I can get the vacation block ;)
[12:56] <niemeyer> Son_Goku: Sounds good, fingers crossed
[13:00] <Chipaca> zyga: sounds like maybe we should store it in there if it's needed
[13:00] <morphis> zyga: any idea why I get: [  306.778066] audit: type=1400 audit(1493902786.616:133): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mkdir" profile="/usr/lib/snapd/snap-confine" name="/run/snapd/lock/" pid=8144 comm="snap-confine" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[13:01] <morphis> zyga: that is with my PR and latest snap-confine from master
[13:03] <zyga> morphis: can you join our standup maybe?
[13:03] <morphis> zyga: in another meeting right now
[13:03] <mup> PR snapd#3249 closed: releasing package snapd version 2.25 <Created by mvo5> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3249>
[13:04] <morphis> zyga: anything important or you just want to talk about the error above?
[13:04] <zyga> morphis: no, just wanted to have you in our standup
[13:04] <morphis> zyga: ah :-)
[13:04] <morphis> zyga: then feel free to put me on the attendees list
[13:05] <morphis> if we're over here soon I will join
[13:05] <zyga> ok
[13:05] <zyga> I cannot do that thou
[13:11] <ogra_> morphis, i think zyga meant "join it on a regular base" ... is the meeting you have right noow reguar at this time ?
[13:12] <morphis> ogra_: just every thursday, ever other day is fine
[13:12] <ogra_> ah, cool
[13:16] <zyga> fgimenez: so the logs there have little information, perhaps the test needs to be tweaked to connect plugs/start docker some way?
[13:16]  * zyga is unsure
[13:16] <fgimenez> zyga: not sure, running in qemu right now, will let you know how it goes
[13:19] <fgimenez> zyga: looks like a timing issue, from the debug console after the error "docker info" works just fine http://paste.ubuntu.com/24511102/
[13:20] <zyga> yeah, it looks ok
[13:20] <zyga> I wonder if this is intentional: Debug Mode (server): true
 is full of references to meta/snap.yaml. Is that (a) an old name for snapcraft.yaml, (b) a replacement for snapcraft.yaml, or (c) something else entirely?
[13:33] <davidcalle> mpt, c
[13:33] <zyga> mpt: c, it's a file read by snapd
[13:33] <zyga> mpt: it's a file that describes a built snap
[13:33] <mpt> aha
[13:34] <mpt> davidcalle, zyga: Thanks. So does snapcraft (for example) produce the meta/snap.yaml as part of its output?
[13:34] <pachulo> kyleN: are you around?
[13:35] <pachulo> sorr, i meant kyrofa
[13:35] <davidcalle> mpt, it's part of the produced snap
[13:35] <zyga> mpt: yes
[13:35] <zyga> mpt: it should be in prime/
[13:41] <mpt> zyga, so meta/ is old-and-busted, and prime/ is new-hotness?
[13:41] <zyga> mpt: no
[13:42] <zyga> mpt: after you build something with snapcraft you should be able to see the unpacked snap in prime
[13:42] <zyga> mpt: including snap.yaml in prime/meta/snap.yaml
[13:42] <zyga> mpt: sorry, I didn't mean to imply that it is in a wrong place
[13:42] <mpt> zyga, ok, so if snapcraft isn’t involved then there’s no prime/ directory?
[13:43] <morphis> zyga: I am struggeling a bit to work with a self-build snap-confine, what is the best way to test one? just running $ make hack?
[13:44] <zyga> mpt: yes
[13:44] <zyga> mpt: prime is just a way that snapcraft implements its internal things
[13:45] <zyga> mpt: snapd only looks at the build artefacts that are placed into the squashfs
[13:45] <zyga> morphis: yes
[13:45] <zyga> morphis: make hack works wonders :)
[13:45]  * zyga uses it all the time
[13:45] <zyga> morphis: note that you need to bind mount it to core too
[13:45] <zyga> morphis: or use the version that ties this into the reexec flag
[13:45] <zyga> morphis: or snapd will still load snap-confine from core
[13:45] <mpt> zyga, understood, thank you. (Asking these questions because I have the job of reviewing+tweaking the snapcraft.io front page.)
[13:47] <zyga> mpt: great, I'm glad to help
[13:47] <zyga> jdstrand: hey, do you remember by any chance how 14.04 style encrypted home directory looked like
[13:47] <zyga> jdstrand: what kind of filesystem was thta?
[13:47]  * zyga looks for 14.04 iso
[13:51] <morphis> zyga: something like `SNAP_REEXEC=0 snap run --shell hello-world` shoudl work?
[13:51] <zyga> morphis: perhaps, just check if SNAP_REEXEC is the right variable
[13:51] <zyga> morphis: or just to be sure
[13:52] <zyga> morphis: bind mount snap-confine from distro over that in core
[13:52] <zyga> morphis: then it always works
[13:52] <morphis> zyga: if I add printf statements in snap-confine, should I see the output?
[13:53] <mup> PR snapd#3272 opened: add interfaces-shutdown-introspection spread test <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3272>
[13:53] <zyga> morphis: yes
[13:53] <zyga> btw I was looking at systemd apis
[13:54] <zyga> I may start using them to log errors
[13:54] <zyga> they are really lovely!
[13:54] <jdstrand> zyga: like on all releases, it is a stacked filesystem
[13:54] <zyga> jdstrand: right but I recall it was different in 14.04
[13:54] <zyga> I checked how it looks like in 16.04
[13:54] <jdstrand> zyga: you mean the apparmor paths?
[13:54] <zyga> jdstrand: no, I mean how it is reapresented
[13:55] <zyga> jdstrand: I want to look through the mount tables to check if there's an encrypted home in use
[13:55] <jdstrand> zyga: what you are describing I don't know what you are talking about. I know this:
[13:55] <jdstrand>   # encrypted ~/.Private and old-style encrypted $HOME
[13:55] <jdstrand>   owner @{HOME}/.Private/** mrixwlk,
[13:55] <jdstrand>   # new-style encrypted $HOME
[13:55] <jdstrand>   owner @{HOMEDIRS}/.ecryptfs/*/.Private/** mrixwlk,
[13:55] <zyga> jdstrand: I know that too :)
[13:55] <zyga> jdstrand: on 16.04 there's en "ecryptfs" mounted
[13:55] <zyga> jdstrand: what is used on 14.04?
[13:55]  * zyga checks anywy
[13:56] <zyga> jdstrand: no worries, I'll find out soon enough :)
[13:56] <jdstrand> zyga: so if it is other than that, 'no, I don't remember' (I never knew ;)
[13:56] <jdstrand> zyga: you might ask Tyler (he is sprinting) if you can't get to the bottom of it
[13:56] <zyga> nah I will know in 15 minutes
[13:57] <zyga> just installing 14.04
[13:57] <zyga> Chipaca: question/suggestion, I think we ought to track "snap-try" origin in state
[13:57] <zyga> Chipaca: now where is the question? in side-info? feels icky
[13:58] <jdstrand> morphis: to answer your question, your denial for 'c' on '/run/snapd/lock/' is because in whatever mount namespace snap-confine is currently running in, that dir doesn't exist
[13:59] <morphis> jdstrand: hm
[13:59] <zyga> morphis: ah, you may need to do one more thing
[13:59] <zyga> morphis: you may need to bind mount the apparmor profile
[13:59] <morphis> jdstrand: I got that with a simple $ snap run --shell
[13:59] <zyga> morphis: from the distro onto the core snap
[13:59] <morphis> zyga: bind mount?
[13:59] <zyga> morphis: then restart snapd
[13:59] <jdstrand> morphis: what distro?
[13:59] <morphis> jdstrand: Ubuntu 16.04 but with a self-build snap-confine
[13:59]  * jdstrand wonders why people are bind mounting apparmor profiles...
[14:00] <zyga> morphis: mount --bind /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.snapd.snap-confine.real /snap/core/current/etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.snapd.snap-confine.real
[14:00] <jdstrand> ah
[14:00] <zyga> jdstrand: deelopment
[14:00] <zyga> ;)
[14:00] <jdstrand> yes
[14:00] <zyga> :D
[14:00] <morphis> zyga: why is that needed at all?
[14:00] <Chipaca> zyga: (thinking)
[14:00] <morphis> if I set SNAP_REEXEC=0
[14:00] <zyga> morphis: because snapd creates a new profile at runtime
[14:00] <zyga> morphis: any SNAP_REEXEC is probably not working :)
[14:00] <zyga> (just guessing)
[14:00] <zyga> I bet it's not working and then you get the wrong snap-confine and the wrong profle
[14:00] <morphis> zyga: when I call $ snap run --shell .. how is snapd then involved?
[14:00] <zyga> if it did work you would not need to bind mount anything
[14:01] <zyga> morphis: snapd compiles the apparmor profile of snap-confine from core on startup
[14:01] <zyga> morphis: maaaagic ;)
[14:01] <zyga> morphis: look at /etc/apparmor.d
[14:01] <morphis> zyga: hm, I have snapd already running, calling `make hack` and then immediately `snap run --shell` afterwards
[14:02] <zyga> morphis: do the bind mount
[14:02] <zyga> morphis: reload snapd
[14:02] <zyga> morphis: it'll work
[14:02] <zyga> or check what really controls reexec
[14:02] <jdstrand> morphis: to be more clear. if there is a bug in reexec, then snapd is loading the profile from /snap/core/current/etc/apparmor.d/... and not one that you may have loaded
[14:02] <zyga> morphis: AFAIR there's a patch that fixes some of that (maybe reexec is unconditional)
[14:02] <jdstrand> morphis: so if you bind mount over the one in /snap/core, you trick snapd to load your profile
[14:03] <morphis> jdstrand, zyga: I still don't get how snapd is involved when I run $ snap run --shell
[14:03] <zyga> morphis: it isnt
[14:03] <zyga> morphis: but ... if snap run doesn't grok reexec feature
[14:03] <zyga> morphis: and for whatever reason goes to "reexec" (not really) by running snap-confine from the core snap
[14:03] <morphis> from what I read in the code it shouldn't with SNAP_REEXEC=0
[14:03] <zyga> morphis: then the apparmor profile for snap-confine in the core snap applies
[14:04] <zyga> morphis: well, debug away :)
[14:04] <zyga> morphis: note: snap also reexecs
[14:04] <zyga> morphis: so your snap reexes into core "snap" then runs snap-confine from either core or distro
[14:04] <jdstrand> morphis: like zyga says, it doesn't. but, if you restart snapd for some reason and this reexec logic isn't right, then the profile in /snap/core gets loading into the kernel
[14:04] <morphis> ok, I see
[14:04] <zyga> morphis: and to finish that sentence, snapd on startup generates and loads the apparmor profile for snap-confine based on what is stored in the core snap
[14:05] <zyga> morphis: (for the snap-confine from /snap/core/123/usr/lib/snaps/snap-confine)
[14:05] <jdstrand> morphis: you should be able to apparmor_parser -r /path/to/the/profile/you/want/loaded and *not* restart snapd and have it work too
[14:05] <zyga> morphis: each copy of snap-confine has a distinct profile
[14:05]  * jdstrand is assuming there is a bug in reexec, as zyga guessed
[14:08] <morphis> zyga, jdstrand: ok leaving the profile beside, I've added a few printf statements to my self-build snap-confine binary and then don't show up when I run snap run, bind mounts in place etc.
[14:09] <zyga> morphis: does it show when you run it manually?
[14:09] <zyga> morphis: did you forget to make hack again?
[14:09] <zyga> morphis: note that after you bind mount I think make hack does weired stuff
[14:09] <zyga> morphis: not sure
[14:10] <zyga> weird*
[14:10] <zyga> morphis: also journal has useful hints on reexec
[14:13] <morphis> zyga: no I didn't, also verified with strace, however let me play a bit more
[14:13] <pcercuei> hi
[14:13] <pcercuei> I'm trying to package an app that requires a specific udev rule
[14:13] <pcercuei> is there support for that?
[14:19] <zyga> pcercuei: can you tell me more about the rule
[14:19] <zyga> pcercuei: it is possible but it requires an interface
[14:19] <zyga> pcercuei: that is merged in upstream snapd
[14:22] <pcercuei> SUBSYSTEM=="usb", PROGRAM=="/bin/sh -c '/usr/bin/iio_info -s | grep %s{idVendor}:%s{idProduct}'", RESULT!="", TAG+="uaccess"
[14:23] <pcercuei> that's my rule right now. "iio_info -s" scans the compatible USB devices, the udev rule gives users access to those
[14:23] <pcercuei> the 'iio_info' tool would be inside my snap
[14:23] <zyga> pcercuei: hmm, that would not work then
[14:23] <zyga> (we don't have support for running helper progams from snaps)
[14:23] <pcercuei> I can change the rule for a standard idVendor/idProduct check without calling an external program
[14:24] <zyga> but we may have something else...
[14:24] <zyga> pcercuei: so
[14:24] <zyga> pcercuei: do you have your own gadget snap?
[14:24] <zyga> pcercuei: we have the iio interface
[14:24] <zyga> pcercuei: your gadget can describe such devices
[14:25] <zyga> pcercuei: and then your app can have a plug to consume it
[14:25] <pcercuei> it's a bit more complicated than that
[14:25] <zyga> pcercuei: note that I have no idea what iio is in practice, I read the kernel docs about that a while ago but I never tried using anything like that
[14:26] <pcercuei> IIO is a kernel framework, so I assume the 'iio' interface of snaps grant access to /dev/iio:deviceX and /sys/bus/iio/*
[14:26] <pcercuei> however here, I'm doing IIO over USB
[14:27] <pcercuei> with a server that uses FunctionFS on the USB device, and acts as a RPC more or less
[14:27] <pcercuei> the client is libiio, which uses libusb to communicate with the server
[14:28] <pcercuei> So the 'raw-usb' plug works fine in my snap, as long as the udev rule is installed
[14:28] <zyga> it adds access to /sys/bus/iio/devices/$specific_device/
[14:29] <zyga> pcercuei: the problem is that we don't have any hotplug capability in snapd yet
[14:29] <zyga> pcercuei: and thus any such iio slot must be declared statically by the gadget snap
[14:29] <zyga> pcercuei: the rest should work OK
[14:30] <morphis> zyga, jdstrand: ok got it working now, not sure what my problem was before
[14:30] <morphis> zyga, jdstrand: thanks anyway!
[14:30] <pcercuei> I don't really care about hotplug - but when my snap starts, it should be able to see an already-plugged compatible device
[14:32] <pcercuei> otherwise that means I have to ask my users to install a .deb so that the udev rule is installed, which defeats the purpose of having a one-file package
[14:32] <zyga> pcercuei: not that your app, to get that permission needs an interface connection
[14:33] <zyga> pcercuei: something on the system must show that there's a "iio" slot available
[14:33] <zyga> pcercuei: and your app (and the snap containing it) must declare an "iio" plug
[14:33] <zyga> pcercuei: and something must make the connection between the two
[14:33] <zyga> pcercuei: only then can your app actually use that device
[14:33] <zyga> pcercuei: and note that this only works in a core system with just snaps (no debs) so that you can use a gadget snap
[14:34] <zyga> pcercuei: does that make sense to you?
[14:35] <pcercuei> not really
[14:35] <zyga> pcercuei: ok, let's start from one basic thing
[14:35] <pcercuei> what on the system would say that there's a 'iio-usb' slot available?
[14:35] <zyga> pcercuei: snaps get permissions only when an interface is connected
[14:35] <zyga> pcercuei: (we'll get to that)
[14:36] <zyga> pcercuei: a connection is made between a plug (consumer) and a slot (provider) that are compatible
[14:36] <zyga> pcercuei: any snap can declare a iio plug
[14:36] <zyga> pcercuei: but iio slots can only come from gadget or core snaps
[14:36] <pcercuei> Yes; in my case, I plug to the 'usb-raw' slot
[14:36] <zyga> pcercuei: becase there is no hot-plug detection the core snap does not declare any iio slots
[14:36] <zyga> pcercuei: that leaves us with the gadget snap
[14:37] <zyga> pcercuei: I'm unsure I understand how usb-raw and iio interplay here
[14:37] <pcercuei> forget about IIO
[14:38] <pcercuei> I'm just trying to communicate with a USB device; the data I transfer is related to IIO, but that's not relevant here
[14:39] <zyga> pcercuei: so when you use usb-raw what denials are you getting?
[14:40] <pcercuei> The problem I have, is that while I plug to 'usb-raw', I still can't communicate with the USB device, because it belongs to the 'root' user and isn't accessible by other users of the system, unless a udev rule is here to say so
[14:40] <zyga> aha
[14:40] <pcercuei> if I run my snap app with sudo, the USB device is properly detected
[14:40] <zyga> so the app itself runs as an ordidinary user?
[14:40] <zyga> ok
[14:40] <zyga> I get it now
[14:40] <zyga> this is a different issue, sorry for the confusin
[14:40] <zyga> confusion*, one sec
[14:40] <pcercuei> no problem :)
[14:40] <Chipaca> zyga: wrt trymode, i think it's right that it goes in SnapState's Sequence
[14:41] <Chipaca> zyga: what's more, i think trymode as a flag on SnapState itself is wrong
[14:41] <zyga> Chipaca: yep, I agree
[14:41] <Chipaca> zyga: (it's wrong, and results in buggy output in "snap list --all" when you have a snap installed and then do 'snap try' of the same snap
[14:41] <Chipaca> )
[14:42] <zyga> pcercuei: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snappy-and-users-and-groups/331
[14:42] <zyga> pcercuei: have a look at this thread please
[14:42] <zyga> pcercuei: it describes where we are with that
[14:43] <pcercuei> thanks
[14:43]  * zyga is starving but will be back soon
[14:43] <zyga> pcercuei: 2. supporting device access via ACLs for granting access of devices to (non-root) users. https://launchpad.net/bugs/1646144
[14:43] <mup> Bug #1646144: ACLs to devices need to be supported in core  <Canonical System Image:Confirmed for pat-mcgowan> <Snappy:Fix Committed by ogra> <ubuntu-core-meta (Ubuntu):Fix Committed by ogra> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1646144>
[14:43] <ogra_> thats fixed in edge
[14:43] <zyga> ogra_: that's just a sliver of the problem
[14:43] <zyga> ogra_: the whole thing is not implemented
[14:45] <ogra_> yeah
[14:45] <pcercuei> ah, that's unfortunate
[14:45] <ogra_> well, using a gadget and adding the rule there would work though ...
[14:45] <ogra_> as well as adding the rule manually to an image
[14:46] <ogra_> (its just linux after all ... )
[14:51] <kuhlmant> I have submitted for a name in the Ubuntu Store, 'mojo' to be used for a snap. This was a couple of days ago and I'm wondering what the process is and the expected processing time?
[14:52] <zyga> ogra_: not sure, can a gadget add arbitrary udev rules?
[14:52] <zyga> ogra_: the problem is that the user running this isn't root
[14:53] <ogra_> well, the rule is run by udev
[14:53] <zyga> ogra_: which rule? can a gadget add arbitrary unconfined rules?
[14:53] <ogra_> and i think you are able to ship anything in system-data/etc/
[14:54] <ogra_> iirc ubuntu-image has code to copy all such stuff
[14:55] <morphis> zyga: updated https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3271 and combined both test cases
[14:55] <mup> PR snapd#3271: cmd/snap-confine: use /etc/ssl from the core snap <Created by morphis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3271>
[14:56] <Chipaca> kuhlmant: i think you need to start a forum thread about it
[14:59] <pcercuei> ogra_: gadget snaps look like something to generate OS images
[14:59] <kuhlmant> Chipaca: I guess I can do that, I didn't think there as much to discuss so haven't. If starting a forum thread is the standard process though I will. What is next typically?
[14:59] <pcercuei> ogra_: my snap would run on Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora etc.
[15:00] <ogra_> pcercuei, yes, indeed they are ... zyga mentioning the gadget above made me think you were on UbuntuCore, sorry
[15:00] <pcercuei> ok
[15:00] <ogra_> (i could have asked :P )
[15:01] <ogra_> though i couldnt imagine an UbuntuCore multi-user system ... that could have told me what you want :)
[15:02] <morphis> zyga: you remember when you looked into https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1644573 which parts of the go std library were trying to use IPv6?
[15:02] <mup> Bug #1644573: snapctl causes hooks to attempt to open ip/ipv6 tcp connection <Snappy:Triaged by zyga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1644573>
[15:23] <station> can ubuntu core be instaled as an Gateway/Router/Server or is it a bad idea, is there a tut
[15:23] <station> +firewall
[15:27] <mup> PR snapd#3273 opened: tests: wait for the docker socket to be listening <Created by fgimenez> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3273>
[15:27] <Chipaca> station: yes it can (dell is shipping such a thing for example)
[15:28] <station> well I cnow but is there a DIY Tut?
[15:30] <station> if I set to grab a firewal Docker Image and sow on, would't that either take for ages or function like crap at the moment
[15:32] <station> or can I plunge myself into the unknown and be a happy Firewall/ Gateway /Router/Server user in like 5h
[15:45] <Chipaca> station: I don't think there's a tutorial aimed at that specifically
[15:46] <Chipaca> station: but if what you're looking for is to create a one-off thing, as opposed to a product, it's merely a question of installing the right snaps
[15:54] <ogra_> there should be a ufw snap
[15:54] <ogra_> and there is a wifi-ap snap
[15:55] <ogra_> so a firewall and an AP are definitely possible
[15:55]  * ogra_ wouldnt put docker in the loop ... thats just useless overhead
[15:58] <kyrofa> Hey pachulo, did you need me?
[16:03] <mup> Bug #1688103 changed: Classic confinement should allow preservation of $HOME <Snapcraft:Invalid> <Snappy:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1688103>
[16:10] <mup> PR snapd#3264 closed: tests: remove quoting from [[ ]] when globs <Created by zyga> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3264>
[16:10] <mup> PR snapd#3267 closed: cmd: make rst2man optional <Created by morphis> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3267>
[16:11] <mup> PR snapd#3254 closed: tests: re-enable and moderninze /media sharing test <Created by zyga> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3254>
[16:13] <Chipaca> zyga: super easy review: snapd#3270
[16:13] <mup> PR snapd#3270: adjust Nice and oom_score levels for snapd <Created by ogra1> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3270>
[16:17] <Chipaca> pstolowski: zyga: and please finish your reviews of my completion branches...
[16:18] <pstolowski> Chipaca, will do tomorrow first thing in the morning, sorry about that
[16:22] <Chipaca> morphis: thanks!
[16:22] <mup> PR snapd#3270 closed: adjust Nice and oom_score levels for snapd <Created by ogra1> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3270>
[16:23] <morphis> Chipaca: np
[16:24] <mup> PR snapd#3240 closed: snap: add `snap refresh --time` option <Created by mvo5> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3240>
[16:26]  * ogra_ hugs Chipaca
[16:28] <diddledan> what should I put in the CLA form for "Canonical Project Manager or contact" so that my snapcraft submission can be accepted?
[16:32]  * zyga will soon return to code reviews
[16:34] <Chipaca> diddledan: what options are there?
[16:34] <diddledan> it's a blank text field
[16:34] <diddledan> but it won't accept a blank entry
[16:35] <Chipaca> diddledan: ah. Jamie Bennet
[16:35] <diddledan> ok I took that. agreement now signed \o/
[16:35] <diddledan> s/I/it/
[16:36] <Chipaca> :-)
[17:05] <jdstrand> zyga: hew, fyi, be87d017 broke 'make check' on (at least) xenial and earlier because it doesn't support -x
[17:06] <jdstrand> zyga: 'make check' for snap-confine when shellcheck is installed that is
[17:06] <jdstrand> hey*
[17:08] <jdstrand> zyga: and uninstalling shellcheck makes 'make check' fail
[17:11] <jdstrand> zyga: ugh, all the annotations need a newer shellcheck
[17:11] <jdstrand> well, maybe not all, but a bunch
[17:13] <jdstrand> workaround seems to be to install shellcheck from zesty
[17:14] <jdstrand> zyga: does this ^ mean 'make check' isn't run during the LP builds? that would be unfortunate
[17:15] <jdstrand> zyga: it seems the fix would be to check if '-x' is supported and if not, skip the syntax check
[17:16] <jdstrand> zyga: or checking 'shellcheck --version'
[17:16] <jdstrand> zyga: or shipping shellcheck in the sources so it is always the same
[17:17] <jdstrand> anyway, I'm not blocked
[17:31] <zyga> re
[17:31] <zyga> jdstrand: ay, I know about shellckeck, unfortunate :/
[17:32] <zyga> jdstrand: you can make it pass by re-running autogen.sh
[17:32] <zyga> jdstrand: shellcheck is written in haskell so insane to ship
[17:32] <zyga> jdstrand: I thought about it and my secret desire is to have a shellcheck backport as everything else is hard (including shellcheck as a snap)
[17:34] <zyga> jdstrand: or alternatively do a non-backport update of shellcheck
[17:34] <zyga> jdstrand: but that's something foundations would have to comment on
[17:34] <zyga> slangasek: hey
[17:34] <jdstrand> interesting
[17:34] <zyga> slangasek: quick question; what is easier, backport newer shellcheck to xenial or use shellcheck as a snap while building snapd?
[17:35] <zyga> slangasek: interestingly we could move the package from xenial to, say, zesty, and then do xenial backports
[17:35] <jdstrand> afaik the former since the latter isn't supported (declaring Build-Deps on snaps)
[17:35] <zyga> slangasek: then zesty shellcheck is good
[17:36] <jdstrand> you also can't do LP builds for the archive against -backports
[17:36] <zyga> jdstrand: aww :/
[17:36] <jdstrand> archive builds*
[17:36] <zyga> jdstrand: right
[17:36] <zyga> jdstrand: well
[17:36] <zyga> jdstrand: I think it's semi-ok
[17:36] <zyga> jdstrand: what need to change
[17:36] <zyga> jdstrand: is that >16.04 builds should pull in shellcheck
[17:36] <jdstrand> sru 0.4.4 to xenial would be fine
[17:36] <zyga> jdstrand: then we'll know during daily CI via adt
[17:37] <zyga> jdstrand: yeah? I'll check if it builds quickly
[17:37] <jdstrand> but, really, as you say, just skipping the shellcheck where the version is known not to work is fine
[17:37] <jdstrand> it is just we don't want to disable all of 'make check' to avoid the shellcheck issue
[17:37]  * zyga has a love hate relationship with shellcheck, it's amazing and haskel is interesting but man, haskel toolchain stuff is terribly annoying to work with
[17:37] <zyga> jdstrand: oh, I think it's not that, we just skip shellcheck
[17:37] <zyga> jdstrand: we still run other checks
[17:37] <zyga> jdstrand: (for sure)
[17:38] <zyga> one thing we should do soon is to enable hard error checking on valgrind
[17:38] <jdstrand> imho, it is fine to not run check-syntax-sh on 16, since we are getting all the benefits from the versions of Ubuntu with the used shellcheck
[17:38] <zyga> but some of that is hard as there's plenty of false positives because we fork/exec and use glib for testing
[17:38] <zyga> yes, I agree
[17:40] <jdstrand> it's kind of funny to implement a tool in a rather niche language to syntax check a ubiquitous language
[17:40]  * jdstrand didn't realize it was haskell
[17:42] <zyga> jdstrand: yeah, I read the implementation, it is really beautiful
[18:19] <zyga> jdstrand: hey
[18:20] <zyga> jdstrand: can you have a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2837/files
[18:20] <mup> PR snapd#2837: interfaces/apparmor: allow reading from ecryptfs <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2837>
[18:20] <zyga> jdstrand: not a detailed review
[18:20] <zyga> jdstrand: I'm still working on extra tests
[18:20] <zyga> jdstrand: just tell me if that fits your idea
[18:23] <jdstrand> zyga: there was another conversation on that somewhere...
[18:23] <jdstrand> zyga: I'm not imagining that am I?
[18:24] <jdstrand> zyga: oh, heh, nm
[18:24] <mup> PR snapd#3273 closed: tests: wait for the docker socket to be listening <Created by fgimenez> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3273>
[18:24] <jdstrand> the conversation was in that PR-- I was thinking this was a brand new PR :)
[18:29] <zyga> jdstrand: :D
[18:29] <zyga> jdstrand: it's my oldest PR ever
[18:29] <zyga> jdstrand: there's one obvious nastiness there
[18:29] <zyga> jdstrand: _any_ ecryptfs gives _any_ try mode snaps the extra snippet
[18:30] <zyga> jdstrand: but we can remove that nastiness soon, chipaca said we should rework the state a little to store trymode flag in a per-revision thing
[18:30] <zyga> jdstrand: and then we can also store the path
[18:30] <zyga> jdstrand: (currently snapd just doesn't know)
[18:32] <jdstrand> I'm actually already commenting on that
[18:32] <zyga> thank you!
[18:48] <zyga> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:49] <jdstrand> np
[19:34] <slangasek> zyga: you can't build-depend on snaps at all currently
[22:04] <Chipaca> ogra_: you around?
[22:11] <mup> PR snapd#3268 closed: interfaces/browser-support: deny read on squashfs backing files and LVM vg names <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3268>
[22:50] <Son_Goku> niemeyer: so I've made the vacation request
[22:50] <Son_Goku> fingers crossed!


[07:39] <elacheche> Morning !
[10:55] <nzoueidi> Hey elacheche
[10:55] <nzoueidi> :')
[12:41] <elacheche> wassaup nzoueidi :)
[12:41] <nzoueidi> nothing much as usual, wbu?
[12:43] <elacheche> Overwhelmed by paper work and laziness x) :D
[12:46] <nzoueidi> Oh
[12:47] <elacheche> xD
[12:47] <nzoueidi> I read your email yesterday :(. I didn't find what I can reply
[12:48] <nzoueidi> But then I figured some words and sent the email
[12:57] <elacheche> Thanks for the sweet words dude :) :)
[13:05]  * elacheche BRB


[00:49] <celloyd> i'm trying to get bluetooth working on my lubuntu setup
[00:50] <celloyd> bluetooth assistant says device added successfully but failed to connect
[10:26] <fishcooker_> anyone here get this blurry windows app like this http://imgur.com/a/pYUu9
[11:16] <fishcooker_> how to restart lubuntu service?
[22:37] <xangua> Tried to add a printer, and Lubuntu doesn't even comes with cups lol
[22:38] <xangua> Is that a know this? If not why does it come with the graphical app to manage printers but no cups?