[15:51] <venik> THis only allows me to switch to the old menu
[15:51] <venik> WHich was editable
[15:52] <nasir29> Finally, thanks to bazhang,ubottu,cuznt for advice and motivation. Time to sleeps now. I'm from Malaysia and really nice to meet you guys.Thanks again
[15:52] <firewire> anyone know if there are drivers for an old blade 3d card?
[15:52] <bazhang> bye nasir29
[15:52] <nasir29> bye,bye :)
[15:52] <bazhang> :)
[15:52] <cuznt> venik why not switch to the old menu and edit it
[15:52] <cuznt> ??
[15:53] <venik> Would that edit what appears on the new menu?
[15:53] <cuznt> i dont think so
[15:53] <venik> progress here is removing nice features of stable applications
[15:53] <cuznt> but if you dont like the new menu
[15:54] <venik> or rather, replacing the applications with new ones with fewer useful features
[15:54] <bazhang> this is 4.2 of experimental unsupported variety?
[15:54] <venik> see, for instance, the new System Settings
[15:54] <venik> I thought that 4.2 was officially released, but I have been wrong b4
[15:55] <bazhang> the one from backports or ppa?
[15:55] <venik> I think ppa, but this alphabet soup can get confusing for peasants like me
[15:55] <bazhang> officially released by kde, not made an official part of intrepid
[15:55] <bazhang> that is for next release jaunty
[15:56] <bazhang> thus the backports
[15:56] <venik> when is that coming?
[15:56] <musical> SlimeyPete: google earth 5 s working fine now! thanks!
[15:56] <bazhang> april this year
[15:56] <bazhang> 9.04
[16:13] <venik> can anyone tell me how to change the icon of a file on the desktop?  The instructions are outdated and do not work on KDE 4.2
[16:15] <Riesh> venik right click on the file, properties > click on the icon and change
[16:16] <venik> that does not work-- these are the old instructions referred to in my previous message
[16:16] <Slartibartfast> well here it works .... in kde 4.2
[16:17] <venik> hmmm... maybe it fails because I am in NYC?
[16:17] <venik> Kubuntu 8.10?
[16:17] <Slartibartfast> yes
[16:18] <venik> I must be missing a library or something-- here nothing happens when I do that, and it USED to work in much older Kubuntus
[16:18] <Slartibartfast> how does it fail? ... not possible to click the icon in the properties dialog?
[16:18] <venik> Of course it is possible-- I click but nothing happens
[16:18] <Slartibartfast> mmmm... strange
[16:18] <venik> let me try another machine
[16:20] <Slartibartfast> well it is all part of plasma workspace ...so there would the bug be
[16:20] <venik> does not work on another machine
[16:20] <venik> I am using 64 bit kubuntu, but on the other machine it is 32 bit, and no joy there either
[16:21] <venik> maybe I should reinstall plasma, if I knew how to do that
[16:21] <Slartibartfast> it just suddenly not working anymore ? ..... what did you do before?
[16:23] <Slartibartfast> see what you have installed with "dpkg -l *plasma*"
[16:23] <Slartibartfast> reinstall with "apt-get --reinstall xxxxx"
[16:23] <venik> it never worked in the new kubuntu/kde, but it did work on much older version-- maybe 7.04 or so
[16:23] <Slartibartfast> no problem here
[16:24] <venik> I just checked the plasma packages with synaptic-- no option for reinstalling them
[16:24] <Slartibartfast> should be in the menu options i think .......
[16:24] <Slartibartfast> otherwise just use a terminal
[16:30] <altrortla> How can I change language interface?
[16:30] <venik> I types: sudo apt-get --reinstall kdebase-plasma but got: Invalid operation kdebase-plasma
[16:30] <altrortla> 8.04
[16:31] <multoff> есть кто живой
[16:32] <Slartibartfast> !ru|multoff
[16:32] <altrortla> multoff: your language is?
[16:33] <altrortla> it's possible to have several user on kubuntu with different language interface?
[16:33] <Slartibartfast> probably it should be apt-get --reinstall install
[16:34] <Slartibartfast> i think so ... altrortla.. just depends on what your personal settings are ... and these are stored in your homoe -dir
[16:34] <Slartibartfast> home-dir
[16:36] <Slartibartfast> venik: use apt-get --reinstall install kdebase-plasma instead
[16:52] <michael__> what language I can to speak in there?
[16:52] <SlimeyPete> English
[16:52] <fosco__> here? english only
[16:52] <SlimeyPete> but there are ubuntu channels for other languages too
[16:53] <SlimeyPete> What language do you want?
[16:53] <michael__> In this IRC-net I can to find Russian?
[16:53] <SlimeyPete> !russian
[16:53] <fosco__> !ru
[16:53] <HappySmileMan> !ru
[16:53] <SlimeyPete> <-- fastest fingers in the west
[16:53] <michael__> I vary Happy, thanks
[16:57] <fabio_> hi
[16:57] <fabio_> how to start strigi for nepomuk searches?
[16:58] <fabio_> there is someone that made it working in kubuntu?
[16:59] <joe_> Im not abel to get Adept or the Synoptic package manager working i
[17:00] <fabio_> hi joe...seems all busy here
[17:06] <Zeelot3k> hey guys
[17:06] <Zeelot3k> im using kde 4.2 in kubuntu 8.10 but firefox does not seem to know about any outside apps (cant even do "open containing folder" because it doesnt know about dolphin), anyone have a solution?
[17:10] <mefisto__> Zeelot3k: doesn't it let you choose which app to use ?
[17:11] <Lynx_> Hi all! I uninstalled Katapult, which I had set to Ctrl + Space as a hotkey. Now I assigned that hotkey back to the KDE menu, but it does not work. Is there some other place except the KDE settings where I have to change hotkeys?
[17:11] <mefisto__> Zeelot3k: edit, preferences, applications tab, has a list of mimetypes where you can choose default applications too
[17:12] <Zeelot3k> nothing useful there
[17:13] <Zeelot3k> its supposed to use the kde default apps
[17:14] <mefisto__> Zeelot3k: nothing useful? don't you have a list of mimetypes?
[17:14] <Zeelot3k> yes but thats not what I need
[17:14] <Zeelot3k> im talking about every filetype
[17:15] <mefisto__> Zeelot3k: then I don't know what your question is about
[17:15] <Zeelot3k> for example torrents dont open
[17:16] <Zeelot3k> and I cant open the containing folder
[17:16] <Zeelot3k> those things are not on the list in the settings
[17:16] <mefisto__> Zeelot3k: when you click a link to a torrent, for example, do you see a dialog asking you what to do with it?
[17:17] <Zeelot3k> right but my only option is to save it
[17:17] <Zeelot3k> I cannot run it
[17:17] <bazhang> in firefox?
[17:17] <Zeelot3k> yea
[17:17] <bazhang> why not set it then
[17:17] <Zeelot3k> set what
[17:18] <Zeelot3k> why doesnt firefox know I have KTorrent installed?
[17:18] <bazhang> the way ff handles the file
[17:18] <bazhang> ie hand off to ktorrent/transmission/etc
[17:18] <Zeelot3k> you cant
[17:18] <Zeelot3k> huh?
[17:18] <bazhang> can do it here
[17:21] <mefisto__> Zeelot3k: firefox 3 ?
[17:22] <Zeelot3k> yea
[17:26] <mefisto__> Zeelot3k: look in your firefox profile folder. do you have mimetypes.rdf in there?
[17:31] <mefisto__> Lynx_: is this in hardy?
[17:31] <Lynx_> mefisto__: i believe so, erm, how do i find out the version again?
[17:32] <bazhang> !version
[17:32] <Lynx_> thx. It's intrepid.
[17:33] <mefisto__> Lynx_: how did you install katapult?
[17:33] <Lynx_> mefisto__: i think via apt-get, if i remember correctly
[17:33] <mefisto__> !info katapult
[17:33] <Lynx_> ok, then not ;)
[17:34] <Lynx_> i guess via the tarball they provide
[17:34] <mefisto__> Lynx_: the reason I ask is because the alt-F2 dialog has the same functionality as katapult now, which is why katapult is not available for intrepid in official repos
[17:35] <mefisto__> Lynx_: you can set the keyboard shortcut to be alt-space instead of alt-F2 if that's what you're used to
[17:35] <Lynx_> mefisto__: ok, thank you, didn't know that
[17:36] <mefisto__> Lynx_: and there are a few different places where you can set keyboard shortcuts in kde 4. it's kind of confusing
[17:37] <Lynx_> mefisto__:  it seems so, because no shortcut I set up for the application launcher in the kde settings works
[17:38] <Lynx_> but alt-space for the run command works, so thats what i want
[17:39] <mefisto__> Lynx_: application launcher as in the menu? with the big K ?
[17:39] <Luija> oh my god guys
[17:39] <Lynx_> mefisto__: yes. or is that not what it's called int he keyboard settings?
[17:39] <Luija> i am so tired of ubuntu wifi problems
[17:40] <mefisto__> Lynx_: that's what it's called. just making sure
[17:40] <Luija> now the problems is than I actu the firmware of my router, ALL my other pc with vista can connect to wifi, except, of course... ubuntu
[17:40] <mefisto__> Lynx_: right-click the K icon of the menu, Application Launcher settings
[17:40] <mefisto__> Lynx_: try setting the shortcut there
[17:41] <Lynx_> mefisto__: there is only one option in that windows, switch tabs on hover
[17:41] <Luija> i installed guarddog, it was messing so i desinstalled it, and after that, temporaly solve the wifi problem, but i turn off the pc, guarddog is no more, and i cant still connect to wifi
[17:41] <Luija> guys if u dont give me a solution, is an adios to linux in my house
[17:42] <Luija> "<Luija> now the problems is than I actu the firmware of my router, ALL my other pc with vista can connect to wifi, except, of course... ubuntu"
[17:42] <Lynx_> mefisto__: the run command thing is not great either, unless i'm missing options: when I type "ko" in the application launcher text box it suggests Komodo, but in the run command thing I have to type out the whole of komodo
[17:43] <Luija> ...
[17:44] <Guest27693> Is there any free accounting software for Ubuntu that installs easily
[17:45] <fosco__> accounting for what
[17:45] <bazhang> !info kmymoney
[17:45] <bazhang> !info gnucash
[17:45] <mefisto__> Lynx_: if you type "kon" does it suggest konqueror, konsole, etc ?
[17:45] <Guest27693> home and business
[17:46] <Lynx_> mefisto__: hmm, yes it does. must be because i manually added komodo to the menu
[17:46] <Guest27693> gnucash does not have a debain install package
[17:46] <esdaniel> guest27693: http://tinyurl.com/and2cw
[17:46] <bazhang> Guest27693, you are using debian?
[17:47] <mefisto__> Lynx_: what's the actual command for komodo? that is, what would you type in a terminal to start it?
[17:47] <Guest27693> Ubuntu and the installer will only run debain
[17:48] <Lynx_> mefisto__:  I figured it out, the command is actually komodo, it works if I put komodo into the description box in the menu editor also
[17:48] <Lynx_> mefisto__: thanks for your help!
[17:48] <mefisto__> Lynx_: ok, that's handy to know. thanks to you too
[17:48] <bazhang> Guest27693, gnucash is in the ubuntu repos
[17:49] <Guest27693> let me go look for it...thanks
[17:49] <newUbuntuUser> hi.  I'm totally new to linux and was trying to install but ran into a bit of an error.
[17:49] <carpii> im clicking a link to a video, and firefox instead downloads a .3gp file.   Is this some form of stream, and is there any software which can use it?
[17:49] <Guest27693> bye
[17:49] <bazhang> Guest27693, sudo apt-get install gnucash
[17:49] <newUbuntuUser> It seems that when I tried to install kubuntu decided to completely corrupt my partition table.
[17:50] <newUbuntuUser> I've tried gparted to no luck.
[17:50] <mefisto__> carpii: 3gp files are video files commonly used in phones
[17:50] <newUbuntuUser> fsck says Error 2 on the main drive.
[17:50] <carpii> hm
[17:50] <newUbuntuUser> Does anyone know who I can recover my windows partition?
[17:51] <mefisto__> newUbuntuUser: fsck is checking your windows partition?
[17:51] <newUbuntuUser> It says the entire disk is Ext3 now.  There was an error while partitioning.  Something about writing to disk.
[17:51] <carpii> Guest27693, this doesnt really help you right now, but Im writing a web based accountancy software like MS money. You can track its progress here https://sourceforge.net/projects/openassets/
[17:52] <newUbuntuUser> anyone, any ideas on how to fix my partion table?
[17:53] <mefisto__> newUbuntuUser: does gparted show the windows partition?
[17:53] <newUbuntuUser> I know it still exists since gparted shows it to me, but cant' recover.
[17:53] <newUbuntuUser> When I do check on it, it errors out.
[17:54] <newUbuntuUser> It has a warning.  ntfsresize 2.0.0 (libntfs ...
[17:54] <newUbuntuUser> then it says a whole ton of "missing cluster" errors
[17:54] <Mooqball> is kubuntu feb 25 build that much different from jaunty alpha 5
[17:54] <wallabee> Just a quick question..is there a terminal command similar to the "ipconfig/all" windows command??
[17:55] <fosco__> wallabee, not sure what it does, but try ifconfig -a
[17:55] <mefisto__> newUbuntuUser: and you can't start windows?
[17:55] <newUbuntuUser> No.
[17:55] <wallabee> thanks
[17:55] <newUbuntuUser> I think i'll try chkdsk /f in safemode.  Maybe that'll fix it.
[17:57] <gerson> de onde fala?
[17:58] <itsatrick> Is anyone else getting funky plasmoid porblems with OpenOffice.org?
[17:58] <Luija> i will repeat my problem: i cant connect to internet in any form: wired/wifi, i actu the firm of my router, and now the only pcs than can connect to the router r the ones with vista, this is my face: WTF?????!!!!! i uninstall guarddog, and that was a temporal solve, but after I turn off pc, same poblem
[17:58] <Luija> guys if u dont give me a solution is a adios to linux in my house
[17:58] <Luija> by the way i am talking from vista
[17:59] <itsatrick> I'm not trying to insult your intelligence, Luija, but do you have knetworkmanager installed?
[18:00] <antonio_> ciao ragazzi
[18:01] <mefisto__> !it | antonio_
[18:02] <gerson> Tem brasileiro aí gente?
[18:03] <mefisto__> !br | gerson
[18:03] <Luija> itsatrick: of course yes....
[18:03] <Luija> YESTERDAY
[18:03] <Luija> i could connect to internet
[18:03] <Luija> without problems
[18:04] <Luija> but after the actu of my router firmware, the only ones than can connect r the ones with vista
[18:04] <Luija> srry got d/c
[18:05] <Luija> itsatrick of course yes...
[18:05] <Luija> what i am triying to tell u
[18:05] <Luija> is thab before i could connect without any problems to wifi
[18:05] <Luija> but now, after the actu of the firm of my router
[18:05] <Luija> the only ones than can r the ones with vista and my ps3
[18:05] <SJr|Work> Kubuntu 8.04 or Kubuntu 8.10
[18:06] <Luija> this is my face: WTF????!!!!!
[18:06] <Luija> 8.10
[18:06] <mefisto__> Luija: sounds like your router is the problem
[18:06] <itsatrick> I had trouble connecting after the last update...I found that all my saved networks vanished.
[18:06] <Luija> not possible
[18:06] <Luija> because i hvae 4 laptops
[18:06] <Luija> the only one than cant connect is mine
[18:06] <Luija> and i could before without problems
[18:07] <tobbo> night evbody
[18:07] <mefisto__> Luija: before what?
[18:07] <Luija> the actu of the firmware
[18:07] <Luija> but what i am triying to tell u
[18:07] <tobbo> anyone know spoof for konversation?
[18:07] <Luija> is than my other laptops with vista can connect
[18:07] <Luija> mine with kubuntu not -___-
[18:08] <mefisto__> what is "actu" ?
[18:09] <newUbuntuUser> WOW!  Well chkdisk worked, it fixed kubuntu's corruption of the partion table.
[18:09] <newUbuntuUser> thansk all
[18:09] <newUbuntuUser> bye
[18:09] <Luija> actualization lol
[18:09] <Luija> too lazy to write it complete :)
[18:10] <bazhang> firmware ?
[18:10] <mefisto__> actualization ?
[18:10] <bazhang> no idea what actualization is
[18:11] <Luija> oh
[18:11] <Luija> wait
[18:11] <Luija> yes
[18:11] <Luija> the firmware...
[18:11] <bazhang> !enter | Luija
[18:11] <Luija> the update to my firmware!!
[18:12] <Luija> thats the correct word :) (i thing lol)
[18:12] <bazhang> Luija, dont type two words then hit enter
[18:12] <Luija> think*
[18:12] <Luija> srry
[18:12] <bazhang> sounds like a router issue
[18:12] <Luija> baz...
[18:12] <Luija> my laptops from vista can connect
[18:13] <NotForResale-US> can someone help me.. im trying to run command sudo apt-get install mercurial linux-headers-$KERNEL_VERSION build-essential
[18:13] <NotForResale-US> but it says mercurial is not found
[18:13] <Luija> i am talking from vista in this moment, but kubuntu dont wanna connect either wired or wireless :S
[18:13] <Luija> mercurial not found'? no lol
[18:14] <bazhang> Luija, connect an ethernet cable to the kubuntu machine
[18:14] <mefisto__> Luija: can you ping the router?
[18:14] <NotForResale-US> E: Couldn't find package mercurial
[18:14] <Luija> baz, i tried to that and not connection either
[18:14] <bazhang> Luija, do you seek assistance?
[18:14] <Luija> yes mefisto, i can ping the router (if u mean than i can connect)
[18:14] <Luija> yes baz :S
[18:15] <cuznt> did knetwork get turned off or uninstalled?
[18:15] <Luija> no cuznt
[18:15] <cuznt> right on
[18:15] <Luija> yes
[18:15] <bazhang> Luija, then a) easy on the enter key, and b) follow the instructions we give
[18:16] <venik> Slar-- Here is what I got: apt-get --reinstall install kdebase-plasma
[18:16] <Luija> ok, but i will need to log off from vista and enter kubuntu lol
[18:16] <Luija> AND the problem is than
[18:16] <Luija> kubuntu dont wanna get internet
[18:16] <Luija> by either wireless or wired
[18:16] <Luija> from my router
[18:16] <bazhang> Luija, then better write down what to do
[18:16] <Luija> ok baz
[18:16] <Luija> bring it lol
[18:17] <tekstacy> !apt-fix
[18:17] <Luija> be the way
[18:17] <venik> Sorry-- Reinstallation of kdebase-plasma is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[18:17] <Luija> by*
[18:17] <Luija> i installed guarddog
[18:17] <Luija> BUT
[18:17] <bazhang> Luija, after connecting the ethernet cable, make sure that your nic is seen by typing in konsole ifconfig
[18:17] <Luija> I uninstalled it, and after that the problem solved, BUT i turned off, and the same :S
[18:18] <bazhang> Luija, it should be named something like eth0
[18:18] <Luija> ok
[18:18] <bazhang> Luija, then sudo dhclient eth0
[18:18] <Luija> write everything, i am gonna print
[18:19] <bazhang> I am still guessing it is a router issue though, and not to do with kubuntu, in light your just disclosing this was just after a firmware upgrade
[18:19] <venik> can someone tell me why kdebase-plasma cannot be downloaded?
[18:20] <venik> I installed it, but things are not working correctly-- cannot change icons
[18:20] <bazhang> if your router is fine, then sudo dhclient eth0 will bring you a working internet connection
[18:20] <mefisto__> the router firmware upgrade may have created a new eth# eg eth1
[18:20] <Luija> but vaz, my pcs with vista can connect :S (i am talking from vista
[18:20] <bazhang> yep
[18:21] <bazhang> Luija, in future, use tab-completion for users nicknames
[18:22] <Luija> sweet
[18:22] <Luija> ok so
[18:22] <Luija> u can repeat me what i have to do pls?
[18:22] <bazhang> just scroll up ^^
[18:22] <mefisto__> venik: how did you install it if you can't download it?
[18:23] <Luija> ok
[18:28] <venik> I also want to know the answer to that question.  All I know is that it is installed (probably as part of the initial installation), but since it is not working right, I'd like to reinstall it
[18:29] <mefisto__> venik: sudo apt-get update
[18:29] <gerson> Olá como devo proceder para entrar no kubuntu.br
[18:31] <mefisto__> gerson: /join #ubuntu-br
[18:53] <joerg> Hallo!!
[18:53] <joerg> Hallo!
[18:54] <wildbat> hello
[18:54] <DailyBudd> Hello!
[18:54] <joerg> Hello!  Whats happen?
[18:59] <Luija> bazhang...
[18:59] <Luija> not any solution?
[19:15] <eugo> why does krdc (kde remote desktop client) look all blurry or 'jagged' in my realvnc client?
[19:16] <eugo> i have to select "raw mode" to get the picture clear, but still then the pic is "jagged"
[19:43] <nightwlkr> hellow
[19:45] <nightwlkr> i just got a new ATI Radeon X1650 vga ... vga is working fine but i can't seem to b able to activate the driver :S
[19:47] <mefisto__> you mean it doesn't work when you activate it and reboot?
[19:48] <nightwlkr> it just doesn't activate... nothing happens
[19:49] <nightwlkr> ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver i press on activate it just foes nothing
[19:50] <mefisto__> did you have the fglrx driver installed before getting the new ati card?
[19:50] <nightwlkr> no i just installed a fresh copy
[19:51] <nightwlkr> thought my built in vga had messed up my xconfig so i installed a fresh copy still the same
[19:51] <mefisto__> your built in vga is ati?
[19:51] <nightwlkr> nope it's sis
[19:53] <mefisto__> so you put the new ati card in, then installed the fglrx driver? or you tried to enable it from "hardware drivers" in the menu? what did you do first?
[19:54] <nightwlkr> ok i plugged in my ati vga card, installed a fresh kubuntu then i went into system / hardware Drivers .. then i press activate it just doesn't work
[19:56] <mefisto__> and then?
[19:57] <PSiL0> !akondi
[19:57] <nightwlkr> tried rebooting and all that..my max resolution is 800 x 600
[19:57] <PSiL0> !akonadi
[19:57] <mefisto__> nightwlkr: you said "no i just installed a fresh copy"
[19:58] <nightwlkr> ya i did... after it wasn't working
[19:58] <mefisto__> nightwlkr: you installed the fglrx driver?
[19:59] <nightwlkr> i had kubuntu for a while now using my built in sis vga.. i got the ati plugged it, resolution max 800x600 compiz and desktop effects working though and they weren't on my sis vga so that was good..
[20:00] <nightwlkr> no..it just gives me this ati/amd thing on hardware drivers.. and doesn't activate, haven't installed anything
[20:00] <nightwlkr> i'll try finding that
[20:01] <mefisto__> ok, so when you said you installed a fresh copy, you meant you reinstalled kubuntu?
[20:01] <nightwlkr> exactly
[20:01] <mefisto__> ok, got it
[20:03] <hallowname> i keep getting 'no space left on device' errors from dpkg, but none of my partitions are full :( tips?
[20:04] <mefisto__> nightwlkr: enable restricted sources and try to enable again
[20:05] <nightwlkr> all restricted sources r enabled already
[20:06] <nightwlkr> am trying this now .. " sudo apt-get install fglrx-amdcccle
[20:07] <yaa_> zajebiss
[20:08] <mefisto__> nightwlkr: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic jockey-kde
[20:10] <mefisto__> nightwlkr: fglrx-amdcccle is the "Catalyst control center" app, which is unnecessary
[20:10] <nightwlkr> yikes 23.4 mb :P
[20:10] <mefisto__> nightwlkr: but it will probably install the fglrx driver package with it
[20:11] <nightwlkr> ya i already cancelled the previous installing this 1
[20:13] <mefisto__> !ati | nightwlkr
[20:15] <mefisto__> hallowname: sudo apt-get clean    will remove all the deb files from /var/cache/apt/archives/
[20:16] <jerik> hi, i entered "/usr/sbin/groupadd -g dbus" but should have had 81 lik "/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 81 dbus", now when i do what I think should be the obvious "/usr/sbin/groupdel dbus" I get an error saying that I cant remove the users primary group...
[20:17] <jerik> someone who knows what 81 is for? and how i get around this?
[20:17] <hallowname> mefisto__: it will indeed :) but i dont have any there. my dpkg is reporting disk full on a disk with 3gb empty...
[20:20] <mefisto__> hallowname: and none of your partitions are close to full?
[20:20] <hallowname> mefisto__: nope
[20:21] <mefisto__> hallowname: what are you trying to install?
[20:22] <hallowname> mefisto__: pidgin, its not a package problem i dont think...
[20:22] <hallowname> i beleive apt has a setting for how much cache to use when i might have overwritten :( im off to see, thx for the [attempted] help :D
[20:23] <mefisto__> hallowname: is it trying to install loads of dependencies?
[20:29] <nightwlkr> mefisto__: also there's the issue of graphics suddenly freezing and i can't do anything..amarok was still playing the song though, no keyboard or mouse response
[20:32] <mefisto__> nightwlkr: I'm confused about 1) which video card you are currently using 2) what you have installed/are trying to install
[20:35] <nightwlkr> currently i have ATI Radeon x1650 plugged on my pc, trying to install linux-restricted-modules jockey-kde like u told me.. but pc freezes no response when i use keyboard or mouse, though music was still going on in the background
[20:36] <nightwlkr> i rebooted to b able to work again
[20:36] <mefisto__> nightwlkr: did those 2 things install properly?
[20:37] <nightwlkr> well it's 23.4 mb so am waiting..so far 7.2 mb done and since there's a storm outside 15.4 kb/s it's gonna take a while
[20:39] <mefisto__> nightwlkr: ok, if things freeze up on you again, you might want to try installing them without X running. eg, you could boot in recovery mode and go to text mode login, install them, then reboot normally and try enabling again as normal
[20:41] <nightwlkr> mefisto__:  ya i can do that, thnx for the help :) will wait and c what happens,
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[21:01] <alesan> hi do you know how to remove KDE4?
[21:01] <HappySmileMan> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[21:03] <alesan> that is already removed... but I still have some KDE4 packages around....
[21:03] <mefisto__> alesan: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[21:03] <alesan> the installation of KDE3.5 restored my happyness
[21:03] <alesan> no gnome please :)
[21:03] <mefisto__> alesan: what do you have installed?
[21:03] <alesan> KDE3.5
[21:04] <mefisto__> alesan: hardy?
[21:04] <alesan> I think it was you who gave me the link on how to install KDE3.5 on intrepid
[21:04] <drbobb> HappySmileMan: removing kubuntu-desktop doesn't really remove anything
[21:05] <HappySmileMan> drbobb: It depends on everything, si I assumed once you remove that an auto-remove would remove everything it depends on
[21:05] <alesan> mefisto__, I am using the repository at http://ppa.launchpad.net/kb9vqf/ubuntu
[21:05] <drbobb> not sure about autoremove
[21:05] <HappySmileMan> Unless I guess you installed some KDE packages manually, in which case those need to be removed too
[21:06] <drbobb> but just removing kubuntu-desktop removes, uh, just the kubuntu-desktop package
[21:06] <alesan> HappySmileMan, an apt-get autoremove removed quite a few packages actually
[21:06] <Laeborg-lap> any programs for linux to stream music to a shoutcast server?
[21:06] <myo> [ot] why everbody says kde 4 sucks?  i 'm using it with no problems... (almost.... but its ok)
[21:06] <alesan> myo, you would love windows vista I suppose
[21:06] <myo> i don't
[21:07] <myo> im a .net developer
[21:07] <myo> but i ise linux
[21:07] <myo> at home
[21:07] <myo> and kubuntu with kde 4
[21:07] <myo> what's wrong with kde4
[21:07] <myo> i can't understnad..
[21:07] <myo> :(
[21:08] <mefisto__> alesan: you could remove the kde4 packages listed at the puregnome link I just gave you, then install kubuntu-desktop to make sure you have everything required for kde3
[21:08] <alesan> I *personally* think everything in KDE4 is just so unconvenient. I tried hard to use 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, there are improvements but so far KDE3.5 is much better. again, PERSONAL opinion.
[21:08] <drbobb> it's not so much that anything's wrong with kde4
[21:08] <HappySmileMan> Well people have different opinions, and don't need to explain them, but real question is why people can't keep it to themselves unless it's actually relevant
[21:08] <drbobb> just that a lot of ppl still find 3.x a lot better
[21:09] <myo> alesan... it's ok yur opinion... but why do u say i unconvinient?
[21:09] <alesan> the only thing that KDE4 is better is that if I open a vi in a konsole4 I can use the mouse scroll wheel to scroll, while in konsole3 I cannot.
[21:09] <alesan> well I will just name a few
[21:09] <myo> thx
[21:09] <mefisto__> myo: some people are still in love with kde3
[21:10] <alesan> if I set the crystal icon theme, he K menu gets the icon of a left arrow.
[21:10] <myo> mefisto__:  yep... looks like thats the reason
[21:10] <alesan> to suspend my laptop, I have to click several times and open a drop down menu, while kde offered a simple button
[21:10] <drbobb> if anyone really asked for a totally subjective opinion, i'd say kde4 is butt-ugly (yeah i know nobody asked)
[21:11] <alesan> the quick launch tray area is a new thing found in 4.2 only but it's hard to add anything
[21:11] <alesan> drbobb, if it is my wife's butt then KDE4 would be beautiful
[21:11] <myo> alesan:  lol
[21:11] <drbobb> lucky you alesan
[21:11] <alesan> the fact is, beauty is irrelevant :)
[21:12] <drbobb> yeah but ugliness sucks
[21:12] <alesan> I want convenience and a low click-count to do things. I love to have access with a single click. KDE4 is worse than 3.5 under this aspect
[21:12] <myo> anyway is just about if is beauty or not..
[21:13] <mefisto__> drbobb: kde4 looks different depending on themes, icons, distribution, etc. it's not kde4 itself
[21:13] <myo> i'm using kubunt with the default theme
[21:13] <myo> and is working good
[21:13] <drbobb> yeah, all themes i've seen look ugly to me
[21:13] <alesan> mefisto__, but sane dafaults have to be provided. I found myself spending hours to make KDE4 look like KDE3.5
[21:13] <myo> is stable and let me doo everythink i want to
[21:13] <alesan> and at the end I switched to gnome
[21:13] <myo> that's all i need
[21:13] <alesan> until you told me how to install 3.5 on intrepid
[21:13] <drbobb> well a lot uglier than i can make 3.5 look with just a few clicks
[21:14] <alesan> drbobb, indeed
[21:14] <alesan> then the worst thing is dolphin
[21:14] <alesan> why don't give us just the good konqueror!!?!
[21:14] <myo> join #trojan
[21:14] <drbobb> easy to get rid of dolphin
[21:14] <myo> join #miro
[21:14] <mefisto__> alesan: I don't think making kde4 look like kde3.5 is sane. kde4 works differently, so making it look like 3.5 would mean hiding a lot of its features
[21:15] <drbobb> but a lot harder to purge the ugliness from the default llok
[21:15] <drbobb> anyway hardy is still supported, so..?
[21:16] <mefisto__> alesan: kubuntu still has konqueror. and kde3.5 has dolphin
[21:16] <drbobb> i simply decided hardy stays on my desktops until EOL
[21:17] <alesan> mefisto__, but in KDE3.5 you can disinstall dolphin
[21:17] <drbobb> by then, hopefully kde4 won't be too far behind 3.x
[21:17] <alesan> while in KDE4 if you disinstall it it will bring down the entire kde4
[21:18] <mefisto__> alesan: really?
[21:18] <alesan> drbobb, I need intrepid's kernel, my thinkpad didn't work well with hardy's (suspend/resume)
[21:18] <alesan> mefisto__, are you sarcastic?
[21:18] <mefisto__> alesan: no, I'm surprised you can't remove dolphin
[21:19] <drbobb> alesan: oops, that sucks
[21:19] <alesan> http://pastebin.ca/1349039
[21:19] <alesan> #
[21:19] <alesan> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[21:19] <alesan> #
[21:19] <alesan>   dolphin kdebase-bin kdebase-data konqueror konqueror-plugin-searchbar
[21:19] <alesan> konqueror depends on dolphin? this is ridiculous
[21:20] <alesan> insulting even :)
[21:20] <mefisto__> insulting how?
[21:20] <alesan> dolphin took the bad of gnome and implemented it :)
[21:20] <alesan> like the absence of a address bar
[21:20] <alesan> where you can copy and paste the current path
[21:20] <mefisto__> alesan: dolphin has an address bar
[21:20] <alesan> where
[21:21] <alesan> I've opened it in front of me I see no address bar
[21:21] <drbobb> alesan: not sure whether this works on kde4, but on kde3.5 you did not need to remove dolphin, it was enough to edit file associations to make folders open in konqueror by default
[21:21] <genii> alesan: Please don't paste multiple lines into this channel, use the pastebin instead
[21:21] <alesan> genii, I used the pastebin watch one line above
[21:21] <mefisto__> alesan: click to the right of the where the location is shown and it appears. click the curved arrow again and it turns into buttons/menus again
[21:22] <alesan> mefisto__, mh...
[21:23] <alesan> you mean click on "edit"?
[21:23] <alesan> yes there is an address bar but if I close and open it again it's gone
[21:23] <mefisto__> alesan: konqueror is now "using" dolphin because it is better
[21:23] <alesan> on nautilus you can press ctrl+L or something for the same
[21:24] <alesan> mefisto__, don't tell me what is better and what not, I told you that my opinion towards KDE4 was personal
[21:24] <alesan> and now I am happy with KDE3.5
[21:25] <alesan> in my HUMBLE opinion it is MUCH more convenient, and KDE4 doesn't give me *anything* other than a better konsole that supports wheel mouse in vim
[21:25] <alesan> I knew I shouldn't have started this :)
[21:26] <mefisto__> alesan: if you don't like what I say, ignore it. you can set dolphin to always show the address bar
[21:26] <genii> nano ~/.kde/share/config/d3lphinrc        and change under [General]  section: Editable URL=false             into: Editable URL=true
[21:26] <alesan> mefisto__, konqueror showed an address bar by default without having to google or IRC to understand how
[21:27] <mefisto__> alesan: it's in dolphin's settings. it's not hard to discover
[21:27] <alesan> genii, interesting. So KDE4 improves the experience by having to muck with config files?
[21:28] <alesan> (nothing against text file config)
[21:28] <alesan> anyway, lunch break's finished, I should go back to work
[21:28] <HappySmileMan> You don't have to use text file
[21:28] <alesan> yeah
[21:29] <NotForResale-US> im having an issue installing v4l-dvb i keep getting errors making  source
[21:29] <alesan> bye
[21:29] <genii> alesan: That is for dolphin/kde 3.5 url bar fix
[21:32] <ethiotech> I am having issue with KDE
[21:33] <ethiotech> My firefox keep freezing every few minutes
[21:33] <ethiotech> I think a lot of times is when I open a flash page
[21:33] <ethiotech> any fix to this? is this a bug?
[21:34] <mefisto__> ethiotech: look at about:plugins in firefox. do you have more than one "Shockwave Flash" listed? and is it version 10 ?
[21:36] <ethiotech> mefisto__: how do I check about:plugins?
[21:36] <ethiotech> are you talkin about "About Mozzila firefox"?
[21:36] <ethiotech> or is this a file?
[21:37] <HappySmileMan> ethiotech: Type "about:plugins" into the address bar in Firefox
[21:38] <HappySmileMan> It's a special page that lists info about your plugins
[21:38] <ethiotech> I have more than one and shocksave is listed
[21:38] <ethiotech> and its version  10.0. r12
[21:39] <ethiotech> I have VLC Multimedia Plug-in
[21:39] <HappySmileMan> Oh well I'm not too sure, my Firefox freezes constantly anyway since I'm always running out of ram
[21:39] <ethiotech> hmm I have enough RAM(4GB)
[21:39] <mefisto__> ethiotech: there is a newer flash plugin. do you have just one "Shockwave Flash" or more than one?
[21:40] <ethiotech> just one
[21:40] <mefisto__> ethiotech: how did you install the flash plugin?
[21:40] <ethiotech> not sure
[21:41] <ethiotech> I probably just clicked ok when it asked to install flash when visitn a flash page
[21:42] <mefisto__> ethiotech: ok to remove the current one you can try: sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree
[21:42] <mefisto__> ethiotech: or this: sudo apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin
[21:43] <ethiotech> ok
[21:43] <Luija> bazhang
[21:44] <Luija> r u there
[21:44] <ethiotech> I only see flashplugin-nonfree
[21:44] <ethiotech> is that the only flashplugin?
[21:44] <Luija> mefisto__ or bazhang
[21:44] <Luija> the problem persist
[21:44] <Luija> i cant still connect to internet in kubuntu..............
[21:44] <mefisto__> ethiotech: that's the one. did it remove?
[21:45] <ethiotech> yeah
[21:45] <ethiotech> should I  apt-get install ?
[21:45] <mefisto__> ethiotech: to make sure it's completely gone now: sudo updatedb && locate libflashplayer.so
[21:46] <mefisto__> ethiotech: that should not find the file libflashplayer.so if it's completely removed
[21:46] <ethiotech> mefisto__: ok whats next?
[21:47] <hallowname> ok ok if i accidentally 'rm /tmp -rf' how can i fix this?
[21:47] <mefisto__> ethiotech: reinstall the flash plugin: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[21:48] <mefisto__> ethiotech: then close firefox, and restart it. go to a flash site to test
[21:48] <ethiotech> ok thanks
[21:49] <mefisto__> ethiotech: I've seen some mention of installing adobe-flashplugin instead of flashplugin-nonfree because it apparently updates more reliably
[21:49] <Luija> mefisto__ >_h>
[21:49] <Luija> >_>
[21:49] <mefisto__> ethiotech: so you might want to try installing it that way first
[21:49] <Luija> i want internet in my kubuntu again
[21:49] <ethiotech> okay I will try my home box
[21:50] <ethiotech> I am now at work and just  removed and reinstalledflashplugin-nonfree
[21:50] <ethiotech> thanks for the help
[21:52] <SJr|Work> I'm trying to install Kubuntu off of a USB drive, and I keep getting "A monitor has been connected", "A monitor has been disconnected" and the prompts keep coming up and I can never install.
[21:53] <carpii> i take it youve checked for loose connection ?
[21:56] <racecar56> stupid tap to click, can't get rid of it... xorg dies if i do it the xorg way, shmconfig on also fails my xorg, what the heck am i going to do?
[21:57] <SJr|Work> carpii I yanked out the other monitor
[21:57] <SJr|Work> carpii how can I just kill it entirely
[21:58] <mefisto__> hallowname: have you recreated /tmp ?
[22:00] <hallowname> mefisto__: i have, but dunno wut perms to set it to
[22:00] <racecar56> ...
[22:01] <mefisto__> hallowname: all perms. it should be accessible by any user/group
[22:01] <mefisto__> hallowname: so +ugowrxt
[22:01] <hallowname> mefisto__: thx :D
[22:01] <mefisto__> hallowname: t = the "sticky" bit
[22:02] <hallowname> mefisto__: i get an 'invalid mode' error
[22:02] <mefisto__> hallowname: it should look like this when you ls - /       drwxrwxrwt
[22:03] <hallowname> mefisto__: simple enough :) thx for the help
[22:03] <mefisto__> *ls -l /
[22:04] <hallowname> mefisto__: ahh the cmd for it is 'chmod usoa+wrxt' :)
[22:04] <mefisto__> hallowname: ok, sorry about confusing you
[22:05] <hallowname> mefisto__: got it :D thx a ton
[22:05] <hallowname> now for dpkg issues :( /var/lib/dpkg/status: no space left on device ...
[22:06] <racecar56> crashed
[22:06] <mefisto__> oh no! racecar crashed!
[22:07] <hallowname> how can /var have no space left when the / partition its on has 3gb left? :(
[22:08] <Unksi> its on different partition?
[22:08] <mefisto__> hallowname: just to make sure, does df -h /var/cache/apt/archives say you have 3GB left too?
[22:08] <carpii> whats reporting it has no space left?
[22:09] <hallowname> mefisto__: 'df -h /var/cache/apt/archives' shows 6gb free...
[22:09] <hallowname> carpii: dpkg itself... :(
[22:09] <mefisto__> hallowname: also, it probably uses /tmp to unpack the packages, so if /tmp was not right, that may be the cause of the error
[22:10] <hallowname> mefisto__: but now /tmp is fixed and writable, but i still get the 'no space' error...
[22:11] <SJr|Work> Kubuntu USB Installers?
[22:11] <talonstriker> I can't connect to secured (WPA/WEP) networks
[22:15] <hallowname> talonstriker: likely a hardware problem (drivers?)... did this happen all the sudden?
[22:16] <talonstriker> hallowname: nope always been like that since I upgraded to KDE4.  I could connect fine when I was using gnome
[22:16] <hallowname> talonstriker: oh, well run 'nm-applet' and use gnome's wifi utility...
[22:18] <racecar56> brb
[22:18] <talonstriker> hallow: nm-applet quits with a assertion fail
[22:19] <talonstriker> (nm-applet:8143): Gtk-WARNING **: libbonoboui-2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:19] <talonstriker> (nm-applet:8143): Gtk-WARNING **: libbonoboui-2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:19] <talonstriker> ** (nm-applet:8143): WARNING **: <WARN>  applet_dbus_manager_start_service(): Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service as it is already taken.  Return: 3
[22:19] <talonstriker> (nm-applet:8143): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[22:19] <talonstriker> ah wait
[22:19] <talonstriker> i didn't quit the current networkmanager
[22:20] <talonstriker> ..
[22:20] <slack_> somebody know if the kubuntu-develop team is going to release a libmysql 5.1 to build amarok?
[22:20] <slack_> i'm a HOYGAN XD
[22:22] <mefisto__> hallowname: if you do: export TMPDIR='/tmp'  does that fix it?
[22:22] <talonstriker> thanks hallow!
[22:23] <hallowname> nope
[22:23] <hallowname> mefisto__: failed to open `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for writing status information: No space left on device :(
[22:28] <mefisto__> hallowname: does   /var/lib/dpkg/status-old    exist?
[22:28] <hallowname> mefisto__: it does, should it not?
[22:30] <mefisto__> hallowname: try making a backup of 'status' ( sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/status /var/lib/dpkg/status-backup ) then try using the old one ( sudo cp /var/lib/dpkg/status-old /var/lib/dpkg/status )
[22:30] <DaddyLonglegs> Please somebody help me upgrade to KDE 4.2. I have added the repo for PPA, but it fails to connect to it whenever I try to fetch updates. Any idea would be much appreciated.
[22:30] <hallowname> mefisto__: ahh ok
[22:30] <mefisto__> hallowname: then sudo apt-get update
[22:30] <hallowname> mefisto__: thx ill try
[22:31] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: Hello friend. I'm still stuck behind upgrading to KDE 4.2. I'm trully frustrated.
[22:32] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: hi. when you sudo apt-get upgrade   do you still have packages not installing?
[22:32] <DaddyLonglegs> Nothing happens when I do so.
[22:32] <hallowname> mefisto__: umm, i cant create a 'status' file now :( no space left on device... as in 'cp status-old status' failed...
[22:33] <hallowname> DaddyLonglegs: paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list into pastebin.ca and post the link here...
[22:34] <DaddyLonglegs> Sure.
[22:34] <yao_ziyuan> Latest QtCurve. Uploaded via an insecure connection from within China. Use at your own risk.
[22:34] <yao_ziyuan> http://filebin.ca/vuyjws/qtcurve-kde4_0.61.4-0_i386.deb
[22:34] <yao_ziyuan> http://filebin.ca/jzejmw/qtcurve-kde3_0.61.3-0_i386.deb
[22:34] <yao_ziyuan> http://filebin.ca/ybpvhh/qtcurve-gtk2_0.61.4-0_i386.deb
[22:34] <mefisto__> hallowname: getting weird. how big is the original    /var/lib/dpkg/status  file?
[22:35] <DaddyLonglegs> hallowname: Here is the link: http://pastebin.com/d2482bcf3
[22:35] <hallowname> mefisto__: 2.2mb
[22:35] <mefisto__> hallowname: ok. mine is 2.0MB so seems normal
[22:37] <hallowname> mefisto__: yea, sndz right, i think a log file may have filled my /var... and df isnt reporting it... i am on jaunty alpha ;)
[22:38] <mefisto__> hallowname: do you have an unusual partition scheme? could /var/lib/dpkg/status be on a partition not on /   >
[22:38] <mefisto__> hallowname: do you have an unusual partition scheme? could /var/lib/dpkg/status be on a partition not on /   ?
[22:38] <hallowname> DaddyLonglegs: just keep running 'sudo apt-get update' until u get an upgrade...
[22:38] <hallowname> mefisto__: it is a very unusual scheme, but i told the installer to autolocate /var (as in i didn't specify where i wanted /var)
[22:39] <DaddyLonglegs> hallowname: I tried that zillions of times.
[22:39] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: try 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' if there are packages "held back"
[22:39] <hallowname> DaddyLonglegs: the repo is added correctly... do you get 404 errors when you 'apt-get update'?
[22:39] <DaddyLonglegs> hallowname: No.
[22:40] <Assurbanipal> hi, which wysiwyg editor do u guys recomend for kubuntu?
[22:40] <mefisto__> Assurbanipal: text editor?
[22:40] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: No. The bottomline is: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:41] <Assurbanipal> mefisto__: for making web pages without using html code
[22:41] <hallowname> DaddyLonglegs: then everything is smooth, try kwrite > help > about kde to see what version of kde you have
[22:41] <DaddyLonglegs> hallowname: It's 4.1.4
[22:42] <hallowname> DaddyLonglegs: oh... and you want newer ones for intrepid right?
[22:42] <DaddyLonglegs> hallowname: I want 4.2
[22:42] <mefisto__> Assurbanipal: quanta plus for lots of features, kompozer for simple stuff
[22:42] <hallowname> DaddyLonglegs: try the kde4 nightly buildservice packages... i think they have an intrepid repo...
[22:43] <DaddyLonglegs> hallowname: How can I add those repos?
[22:43] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: have you tried backports?
[22:43] <hallowname> DaddyLonglegs: google 'project neon repo intrepid'
[22:44] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: the 4.2 packages are in backports official repo now. that may work better
[22:44] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: No. What are they?
[22:44] <draik_> I bought a new 1TB HDD and it is still not able to process with the installation of Kubuntu 8.10
[22:44] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: kdesudo software-properties-kde
[22:45] <draik_> It gets as far as the keyboard inquiry, but when it comes to the HDD selection, it's null
[22:45] <draik_> Nothing happens.
[22:45] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: That gives me the Software Sources window.
[22:45] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: enable the backports repo on the updates tab (unsupported updates, I think it's called there)
[22:46] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: Oh, I see.
[22:46] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: Now sudo apt-get update, upgrade, dist-update?!
[22:47] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: but that will upgrade everything in backports, not just kde4
[22:47] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: So, is there any way to restrict the update just to KDE 4?
[22:48] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: when you quit the software sources window, it should do the sudo apt-get update for you
[22:48] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: Yes. It did.
[22:48] <hallowname> DaddyLonglegs: after you 'update' open 'aptitude' and pick which apps u want to upgrade... backports -usually- breaks installs...
[22:49] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: you could try doing an upgrade, and see what it wants to upgrade. if there are things there you don't want upgraded, just update the ones that seem like kde4 packages
[22:49] <DaddyLonglegs> hallowname: Oh, I've never used aptitude so far. It looks quite new to me.
[22:50] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: that is, say no when it asks to upgrade, then sudo apt-get install just the kde4 ones, and it should upgrade them to newest versions
[22:50] <hallowname> DaddyLonglegs: oh, well dont then :) if it looks too complex, just use adept to pick which to upgrade
[22:51] <hallowname> mefisto__: /tmp needs 'chmod 1777' instead of 'chmod ugo+rwxt' dunno y tho...
[22:51] <hallowname> mefisto__: still cant figure out the no space on device error :( *kicks /var*
[22:52] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: Even after enabling backports updates, it doesn't show me any list of packages to update.
[22:52] <BigMike>  i have a 2 gig swap partition that is never used an my ram only uses about 500 megs out of 2 gigs should I delete the swap or reduce it to 500 megs
[22:53] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: BTW, I just updated kubuntu a couple of hours ago.
[22:53] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: you mean there were updates, and they installed?
[22:54] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: Yes, there were, and thy successfully installed.
[22:54] <Laeborg-lap> I have installed steam via PlayOnLinux (Using Wine, I guess), but when I try to change the graphics to OpenGL, the game crash. Then I tried to run 'glxgears' but it only gives me 100-200 FPS. I have a Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 graphic card.
[22:55] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: ok, this is a long shot, but look in /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure there is at least one blank line at the bottom of that file. I think all text editors in k/ubuntu do that for you anyway, but doesn't hurt to make sure
[22:56] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: Sure.
[22:57] <NSsmiles> hi
[22:57] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: I checked it, and the last line was blank.
[22:58] <Xeno43> If I'm having a problem when I try to install Kubuntu with Wubi, should i go to wubi support or here?
[22:59] <Xeno43> Lol, when I click on Kubuntu to boot, my monitor goes black and shows a little blue screen that it doesn't support the resolution Kubuntu is tryin to use
[22:59] <Xeno43> Is there a way to fix that?
[22:59] <Xeno43> Like change the resolution before boot?
[22:59] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: Hey... I added couple of more blank lines at the end of sources.list, and then run apt-get upgrade, it gave me a bunch of new updates, I'm not sure what they are though.
[23:00] <Herazio> goodevening
[23:01] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: It says that a bunch of packages have been kept back, and a bunch of them are to be upgraded.
[23:01] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: if you want to make sure what they are first, you could say no, then use adept to do the upgrades. you should be able to preview the updates before applying
[23:01] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: Aha!
[23:02] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: or you could turn off backports again, then sudo apt-get update to see what is upgradeable
[23:02] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: Nice idea.
[23:02] <Herazio> I'm gonna barge right in with my question here. I'm having some trouble enabling my wireless card (Intel PRO/3945ABG). It seems to be supported by Kubuntu but doesn't seem to be able to get enabled. I tried some proprietary drivers (Ndiswrapper <-- No go). On Windows I need to press FN - F1 but this also doesn't work on Kubuntu. I've been searching on the forums, and on google. But no luck.
[23:03] <racecar56> the tap to click is so aggrivating
[23:03] <Herazio> oh I also remember on Windows I had a program that asked me to switch on or off my WLAN card. (Fujitsu Siemens Amilo LI2735)
[23:04] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: It's pretty strange. I haven't disabled backports yet; I ran adept to fetch updates list, and it didn't give me anything! Apt-get upgrade gave me at least 20 packages to update though.
[23:07] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: I suppose you could look up each package at packages.ubuntu.com if you want, or find what those packages are in adept even though it doesn't seem to want to do any upgrades
[23:07] <mefisto__> apt seems to have gone nuts for both DaddyLonglegs and hallowname
[23:11] <lucas_> k$
[23:11] <lucas_> khgh
[23:11] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: What's kdelibs5?
[23:13] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: part of kde. kde libraries
[23:13] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: Is kdebase-runtime-data is the main package to be upgraded for KDE 4.2?
[23:15] <anita> hi agaiin
[23:15] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: it's part of kdebase-runtime (no surprise there)
[23:15] <anita> how do i find the channel list with konversation?
[23:16] <mefisto__> DaddyLonglegs: you can see details of packages with    apt-cache show <package-name>
[23:16]  * DaddyLonglegs wonders if anita is Persian.
[23:16] <DaddyLonglegs> mefisto__: Ah. Thanks.
[23:16] <jamesjedimaster> anita: with the key F5
[23:17] <snarkster> anyone know how to add another panel?
[23:17] <anita> persian?
[23:18] <DaddyLonglegs> anita: with capital p of course.
[23:18] <Herazio> Snarkster: That is quite easy right click on your KDE Desktop and click on Add panel ! (if your Widgets are unlocked ^^)
[23:19] <anita> is that suppose to be a nick ? DaddyLonglegs
[23:19] <DaddyLonglegs> anita: I suppose it to be so.
[23:19] <anita> no sorry i''m not
[23:21] <DaddyLonglegs> No success for today again. Time to leave.
[23:21]  * DaddyLonglegs is shuting down...
[23:21] <Herazio> Maybe I should shorten my Question ! :P (Intel Wireless PRO/3945ABG). The FN keys are not working on Kubuntu. I've tried reinstalling proprietary drivers. Normally I need to use a GUI (in windows) to enable WLAN.
[23:22] <snarkster> thank you
[23:24] <mefisto__> Herazio: knetworkmanager is the gui in kubuntu. but many people say it doesn't work too well. I don't use wireless myself so I can't be much help, sorry
[23:25] <Herazio> mefisto__: that's alright ^^ I appreciate the answer though !
[23:25] <TeslaTony> Does anyone recommend any particular external hard drives/NAS for backing up a desktop with 1.1 or so terabytes of space, and two netbooks? (this is with both WinXP and Ubuntu)
[23:26] <Bsims> I am looking for a simple to use way to do web dj on linux, I want it to work with amarok if possible
[23:28] <gaurav__> hi
[23:28] <Bsims> howdy
[23:28] <gaurav__> is it possible for me to upgrade from kubuntu kde 4.1 version to kde 4.2
[23:28] <gaurav__> any upgradation options available???
[23:29] <Bsims> What version are you runnung
[23:29] <gaurav__> kubuntu 8.10 with kde 4.1
[23:29] <mefisto__> gaurav__: http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[23:30] <gaurav__> so it depends on the version of kubuntu
[23:30] <gaurav__> like jaunty
[23:30] <gaurav__> or intrepid
[23:30] <Bsims> gaurav__: nope http://www.kubuntu.org/node/58
[23:30] <Bsims> gaurav__: enable that ppa and then do an update and upgrade
[23:31] <gaurav__> ppa?
[23:31] <mefisto__> Bsims: have you looked at that lately? there is no ppa there now. just says enable backports!
[23:31] <Bsims> unofficial archive
[23:31] <gaurav__> kk
[23:31] <Bsims> mefisto__: Ah Ok
[23:31] <mefisto__> Bsims: just noticed it now
[23:32] <gaurav__> i had got the cd from cannonical
[23:32] <gaurav__> how do i know which version of kubuntu do i have
[23:32] <gaurav__> intrepid or jaunty?
[23:32] <Bsims> Intrepid is what you have
[23:32] <gaurav__> okk
[23:33] <Haza> Evening folks. I need to turn off some weird kind of notification functionality in KDE 4.2.x
[23:33] <gaurav__> thanx guys
[23:33] <Haza> I looked into the settings under notifications but was unable to find anything that would turn it off
[23:33] <Bsims> Haza: whats it doing?
[23:33] <Haza> Bsims: Its being VERY annoying :)
[23:33] <Haza> screenshot?
[23:34] <Bsims> Sure dcc away
[23:34] <Bsims> Or can you describe what it is doing
[23:34] <Haza> http://imagebin.org/39474
[23:34] <Haza> its easier to show Bsims :)
[23:35] <Bsims> you are gonna have to go dig in kopete for that its annoys me too... but not enough to dig into it
[23:35] <astromme> no, no, notifications are easy
[23:35] <astromme> System Settings -> Notifications
[23:35] <Haza> astromme: i looked there
[23:35] <Bsims> Haza: found it
[23:36] <Haza> but was unable to find the setting
[23:36] <mefisto__> Haza: just the kopete notifications annoy you? or you want to turn off all notifications?
[23:36] <Haza> Bsims: oh? :)
[23:36] <Haza> All will do
[23:36] <Haza> @ mefisto__
[23:36] <Bsims> in the notifications settings for kopete... Incoming message untick the show message in popup
[23:36] <astromme> Just go to the "Kopete" and change what you need
[23:37] <astromme> Look for the "Incoming Message" event in the Kopete notifications in System Settings
[23:37] <Haza> I see
[23:38] <mefisto__> Haza: in systemsettings > notifications, you can use the dropdown menu to choose "event source" and turn settings on/off as you like them to be
[23:39] <Haza> mefisto__, Bsims, astromme: Thanks guys. This was driving me nuts :)
[23:39] <astromme> hehe =)
[23:39] <gaurav__> how do i switch on the hibernate feature in kubuntu?
[23:39] <Bsims> Heh notifications are a pain in the butt... I can't get kde to use my system bell
[23:39] <gaurav__> it just shows basic, logout, switch, shut down and reboot
[23:39] <gaurav__> and lock as well
[23:39] <gaurav__> how about stand by and hibernate?
[23:40] <mefisto__> Bsims: yeah that doesn't seem to work at all
[23:40] <astromme> Bsims: what about the "System Bell" 'tab' in notifications?
[23:41] <Bsims> astromme: Heh test rings it but it doesn't actually /use/ it... it plays a useless ding in my headphones which I seldom wear though
[23:44] <astromme> Bsims: That's probably an alsa/sound server thing
[23:45] <Bsims> could be but it works with xterm
[23:45] <mefisto__> astromme: it should just do a system "beep". that wouldn't go through alsa would it?
[23:45] <guinness> Hi all
[23:45] <mefisto__> astromme: if it did, it would have to be routed through a sound card, not the system speaker
[23:45] <astromme> mefisto__: It shouldn't, but I have a feeling that alsa (or maybe motherboard, or something) interferes
[23:46] <astromme> On my desktop, if there is a beep without X I get system pc speaker
[23:46] <astromme> However, from inside X, the same terminal app gives a beep to my soundcard
[23:46] <astromme>  /shrug
[23:47] <astromme> And on my laptop, there is no bell speaker, so it always comes through my speakers/headphones
[23:47] <Bsims> Hrm how to I get konversation to widen the chat entry window when it reaches the end again?
[23:47] <mefisto__> astromme: oh, ok so they do intentionally send the beep through alsa
[23:47] <Bsims> Which is broken and dumb
[23:48] <Bsims> found it
[23:49] <Bsims> getting teh bar to expand I mean
[23:49] <subprocess> r
[23:49] <subprocess> hello
[23:49] <subprocess> hello
[23:49] <lovre> hi
[23:49] <dsa> hi
[23:50] <alameda> hola
[23:50] <lovre> clear
[23:50] <alameda> hola
[23:51] <bipolar> well, here goes installing 4.2 on all the office workstations.... :)
[23:51] <astromme> woah... this computer I'm helping to fix has 39000 messages in its email trash folder....
[23:51] <astromme> bipolar: woah, good luck
[23:53] <bipolar> I've been testing it since it was on ppa. and retested the backports packages. looks good so far.
[23:54] <Bsims> bipolar: I've been running from the ppa as well beats the piss out of 4.1
[23:54] <bipolar> Bsims: yep. the only annoyance is akonadi's reliance on mysql. can't be helped I guess
[23:55] <Bsims> Yuppers
[23:55] <bipolar> I did have to disable apparmor's mysqld-akonadi profile though. It doesn't work with nfs mounted home directorys
[23:55] <bipolar> I posted a bug for it
[23:57] <mefisto__> Bsims: how DO you expand the bar in konversation :) I can't find it now
[23:58] <Bsims> mefisto__: Hehe general and under misc
[23:59] <mefisto__> Bsims: thanks. funny how you can be looking right at it but not see it :)
[23:59] <Bsims> Oh I know kde is like that