[00:08] <Zhenya> hi guys, anyone here have an android phone and have succesfully run gmoteserver on their install?
[00:30] <jc0694> anybody here have an x1200 gfx card?
[00:32] <APERSON> !anyone
[00:35] <jc0694> i can't figure out why glxgears is giving bad frame rates... i'd like somebody to look at my xorg.conf file and tell me if it looks ok... mine looks awfully short compared to some people
[00:37] <Fanfare[afk]> jc0694: what chip/driver do u use?
[00:37] <jc0694> x1200
[00:38] <Fanfare[afk]> jc0694: i dont know x1200 who is the vendor of the chip? nvidia/ati/intel/...
[00:39] <jc0694> ati
[00:39] <jc0694> radeon
[00:40] <Fanfare[afk]> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ?
[00:59] <tamran> howdy all, I've got Kubuntu 9.10 installed and I'm finding the gtk2 apps all have bigger fonts than the kde ones.  Is there any way to change this?  Keep in mind, I've been all over the menus and settings (yes I found the settings for gtk fonts).
[01:00] <tamran> it seems like half the font types in gnome apps under kde look just right, but things like pop up menus are about 30% larger
[01:01] <tamran> I've also found what appears to be the best solution: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502925#c24  ... however, I have no idea where the fonts are in kubuntu???
[01:02] <tamran> gconftool-2 -t float --set <FONT DIRECTORY??> 96
[01:03] <newuser> i have just installed ubuntu... i have 4 monitors and don't know how to get them all to work... any suggestions
[01:04] <tamran> newuser: 4 monitors on one machine?  SWEET!
[01:05] <tamran> newuser: what happens when you right click on the desktop background?  Is there a spot for graphics settings?
[01:05] <tamran> newuser: I think I can help you for kde, but I forgot for gnome
[01:06] <newuser> its my first time installing this... i have it on my laptop but decided to put it on my desktop... now only one monitor works with it
[01:06] <newuser> should i switch to kde
[01:06] <newuser> is that what i have to do?
[01:06] <newuser> in windows it works fine... but trying to migrate to linux
[01:06] <kernco> newuser: If you have an nvidia card, you can use nvidia-settings to set up multi monitor support.
[01:06] <newuser> yes i have nvidia cards
[01:07] <newuser> but i didn't install the drivers... just using what is defaulted
[01:07] <newuser> i don't know how to go to the settings for the nvida cards
[01:07] <tamran> newuser: well, kubuntu is a kde version of the ubuntu distro
[01:07] <kernco> You should install the proprietary drivers
[01:07] <Fanfare[afk]> newuser use binary driver for twinview!
[01:07] <kernco> and then run the "nvidia-settings" command from a terminal or alt+f2
[01:08] <tamran> newuser: kernco is correct
[01:08] <newuser> o.k. will give that a try... my problem is i don't even know how to manuever through this thing
[01:08] <newuser> so i install the driver for twinview
[01:08] <newuser> and that should do it
[01:09] <Fanfare[afk]> newuser: make sure u have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[01:10] <Fanfare[afk]> then run jockey-kde to install binary driver
[01:10] <newuser> ok... what does the restriced extras do?
[01:10] <Fanfare[afk]> holds binary drivers...
[01:11] <newuser> what is the differnce between kubuntu and ubuntu
[01:11] <tamran> newuser: it's scary at first, I did a linux install just this week and it was the first time in 3 years using Linux full time ... I forgot so much.  It will come though.  Assuming you don't have hardware conflicts, you may end up really really liking it :)
[01:11] <tamran> newuser: definitely check out the links on the ubuntu page, I'm certain there's a tutorial there somewhere
[01:11] <newuser> i hope so i feel so lost :(
[01:11] <Fanfare[afk]> newuser: KDEubuntu
[01:12] <newuser> is kde better?
[01:12] <kernco> It's a preference
[01:12] <tamran> newuser: kde has more newbie features imho
[01:12] <kernco> Since you're in #kubuntu you're probably going to get a biased answer ;)
[01:12] <tamran> lol!
[01:13] <tamran> true
[01:13] <tamran> newuser: also check out #ubuntu in these forums
[01:13] <newuser> lol... i will try installing that one instead
[01:13] <Fanfare[afk]> gnome/kde/xfce/whatever its a question of choice!
[01:13] <tamran> newuser: there's WAY more people on that channel and matches the install disc you used
[01:14] <tamran> newuser: kde vs gnome is simply the graphics setup
[01:14] <newuser> so i take it ubuntu uses gnome
[01:14] <tamran> newuser: right, ubuntu = gnome, kubuntu = kde, xubuntu = xfce
[01:15] <Fanfare[afk]> newuser: correct ubuntu = GNOME, Kubuntu = KDE, Xubuntu = XFCE
[01:15] <Fanfare[afk]> lol
[01:15] <tamran> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/
[01:15] <newuser> you know i have a problem setting up my wireless printer on this thing... it isntalled the incorret drivesrs...i have a samsung 315w
[01:15] <tamran> hehe, at least we are consistant Fanfare[afk] :P
[01:16] <newuser> but when i do a test print it says incorrect driver
[01:16] <tamran> newuser: how computer adept are you?
[01:16] <Fanfare[afk]> do u use jockey-kde
[01:16] <newuser> im good with windows bad with linux
[01:17] <newuser> no i haven't used jockey-kde
[01:17] <newuser> i guess i must install that
[01:17] <tamran> newuser: go to menu on top left bar, go to system (I think) and find "hardware drivers"
[01:17] <tamran> newuser: that "hardware drivers" icon is jockey
[01:18] <tamran> jockey-kde is for kde
[01:18] <tamran> you're using gnome
[01:18] <newuser> yes on this one i am
[01:18] <newuser> i didn't know about kde
[01:18] <tamran> and jockey should be installed by default
[01:18] <tamran> check out kde.org
[01:18] <tamran> and gnome.org
[01:18] <tamran> find the links to "screenshots"
[01:19] <tamran> you can also just install the package "kubuntu-desktop"
[01:20] <jc0694> i want to install the binary ati fglrx drivers for my gfx card instead of the open source drivers that come with kubuntu... how do i make certain that i have uninstalled ALL open source drivers associated w/ my gfx card?
[01:20] <tamran> newuser: the reason I asked how adept you were, may I reccomend you (just once) try a gentoo install.  I did one of those back in 2002 or so and I learned a ton.  Of course ubuntu is much different, but you'll understand much more deeply what the hell is going on
[01:21] <tamran> jc0694: did you click the "hardware drivers" icon?
[01:21] <tamran> jc0694: it is in the menu
[01:21] <tamran> applications -> system -> hardware drivers
[01:21] <jc0694> i'm using synaptic... how do i do it in synaptic?
[01:22] <newuser> a gentoo install... where would i get that one?
[01:22] <jc0694> there's something wrong with the hardware drivers menu... it's not working properly and doesn't show me all drivers installed
[01:22] <newuser> i looked in the hardware drivers and nothing is in there
[01:23] <tamran> newuser: www.gentoo.org  ... now keep in mind, I only suggest such a thing if you've got (literaally) days of time and REALLY want to know how the linux stuff works.  It makes you compile everything from scratch and modify all the config files by hand
[01:24] <tamran> newuser: after you get the gist of it, re-install Ubuntu :)
[01:24] <tamran> newuser: or you can do it in a virtual window
[01:26] <tamran> newuser: using Gentoo long term becomes a pain because you're constantly tweaking and compiling
[01:28] <newuser> is there instructions on how to install and compile everything?
[01:28] <tamran> newuser: yeah, it's like a hand-holding step by step doc
[01:29] <newuser> ok will have to try that one out later in the week
[01:29] <tamran> newuser: I'm signing off now but I hope you get all your stuff working. :)
[01:31] <tamran> take care
[01:32] <jc0694> need to install the fglrx drivers for my gfx card but need to make sure the open source drivers are completely removed... i've tried to go to kmenu -->applications --> system --> drivers but that gui isn't working... help anybody?
[01:34] <jc0694> ????
[01:34] <newuser> thanks for your help
[01:47] <jc0694> when most people give a glxgears fps are they in the default windowed mode or full screen?
[02:05] <APERSON> is there a way to set amarok's keyboard shortcuts as global?
[02:11] <iconmefisto> jc0694: why did you want to use fglrx instead of the open source ati driver?
[02:29] <jc0694> iconmefisto:  because the open source drivers are giving me bad fps with glxgears
[02:31] <jc0694> icoonmefisto: u there?
[02:37] <moleman> i'm running 4.3.4 and i'm finding that my kde (all of the 4.3's) is very slow and responding... is there any obvious things i can check/change to make this thing feel faster
[02:40] <james_l> Are you running firefox with a lot of flash? (That's frankly my number one slowdown on Kubuntu.)
[02:40] <moleman> nah
[02:41] <moleman> i switched to chromium because it felt faster than firefo
[02:41] <moleman> x
[02:41] <moleman> but either or, same diff
[02:42] <jc0694> i need to install the fglrx drivers for my ati driver card instead of the open source drivers but i need to completely remove all of the original open source drivers... anybody know how to do this?
[02:43] <james_l> (I don't know specifics about your system moleman, so I'm just guessing here) It could be compositing, try turning that off (keyboard shortcut, should be shift-alt-F12, if I recall correctly)
[02:47] <moleman> killall plasma-desktop
[02:47] <moleman> helps
[02:47] <moleman> :)
[02:48] <james_l> I suppose that would, you running lots of widgets or something?
[02:49] <moleman> umm
[02:49] <moleman> only a couple on my panel, k button, task bar, system tray and new device notifier, and that quick folder one,... i forget what it's called
[02:51] <james_l> Shouldn't be any issue there. I've seen that happen a few times, especially on my computer that wasn't a new install.
[02:52] <james_l> Nvidia card, by chance?
[02:52] <moleman> i wish
[02:53] <moleman> stupid ati
[02:53] <moleman>  glxinfo
[02:53] <moleman>  name of display: :0.0
[02:53] <moleman>  display: :0  screen: 0
[02:53] <moleman>  direct rendering: Yes
[02:54] <moleman>  server glx vendor string: SGI
[02:54] <FloodBotK3> moleman: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:54] <moleman>  server glx version string: 1.2
[02:54] <moleman> ooops
[02:54] <moleman> i don't think fglrx works with this card
[02:54] <james_l> What's your xorg version?
[02:56] <moleman> Version: 1:7.4+3ubuntu10
[02:57] <moleman> top doesn't show any extraordinary processing
[02:57] <moleman> has 2GB ram
[03:04] <moleman> james_l: thanks for your help
[03:04] <james_l> Can't see anything to explain it. (All my problems had been due to nvidia (or *really* old computers), or some of the exotic widgets.) Sorry I couldn't help more.
[03:04] <moleman> james_l: i removed the default application launcher menu and replaced it with the menu based one
[03:04] <james_l> That fixed it?
[03:04] <moleman> yeah man
[03:05] <moleman> thanks
[03:05] <moleman> must be crashing out or something
[03:05] <happy_> how do I do something for each entry in a map?
[03:05] <happy_> oops
[03:05] <happy_> wrong chan :-)
[03:07] <james_l> I hadn't even noticed that there were two options for that. Good to know for the future.
[03:07] <moleman> i find kde still "laggy"
[03:07] <moleman> but that just fixed the main slowdown i was having
[03:57] <Duskao> hello?
[03:58] <Duskao> Can anyone tell me how to enable a popup in konqueror for a single web page?
[03:59] <Duskao> I'm new to KDE
[03:59] <Duskao> is anyone there?
[04:00] <Dusque> hello?
[04:03] <Dusque> anybody there?
[04:05] <happy_> hi
[04:05] <esk4y> i'm getting no mouse with ioQuake based games it appears.  (Nexuiz, WOP, urbanterror).  I turned off compositing but that didn't work.  Any ideas?
[04:08] <esk4y> also, checked my system logs and nothing stands out or mention of mouse.  btw, this is kubutu 64bit karmic
[04:16] <Dusque> I'm trying to install sun-java6-jre but every time I try to, it isn't fully installing and the EULA isn't coming up? Can anyone help?
[04:17] <Dusque> I'm also having issues installing the kubuntu-restricted-extras package, this is all through Kpackagekit
[04:19] <werfact> Dusque: try to do with through console
[04:20] <Dusque> haven't tried that yet. Duh I guess eh? trying to install OpenJDK java right now, if it doesn't work, then I'll try through the CL
[04:22] <Dusque> brb
[04:24] <eremite> Duksque, have you tried installing with Gnome and then installing kde AFTER?  Ubuntu with KDE is better than Kubuntu, imo.
[04:26] <Duskao> k I'm back
[04:29] <Duskao> ok, so java should work fine with konqueror right?
[04:40] <eremite> Duskao: Konq isnt eally a good browser.  You should probably use FireFox if that's what you're used to already.  Much more powerful.
[04:40] <iconmefisto> eremite: that's interesting what you say about ubuntu + kde. I'll have to try that. why is it better? ubuntu has better default settings, perhaps?
[04:41] <Duskao> Whats wrong with konqueror? I really dislike FF
[04:42] <eremite> iconmefisto: I honestly cant answer that.  Its just been my experience that Ubuntu with KDE instead of Kubuntu is always better.  You can change wich one to boot into, also.  I also have Open Box on this machine.
[04:42] <eremite> All the same Ubuntu install.
[04:44] <eremite> I can use Gnome, KDE or OpenBox by selecting which to use at the login screen.
[04:44] <iconmefisto> eremite: well that's normal, no matter which way you install gnome, kde, open box, whatever
[04:45] <eremite> Yes, but starting with Gnome it seems to always work more smoothly than starting with KDE or OB
[04:45] <Duskao> That is actually how I was doing it before, but it seemed like there was always gnome overhead when i was running the KDE desktop. It was actually causing crashes and stuff.
[04:47] <iconmefisto> I think I might do some testing in virtualbox and see how different the installs are
[04:50] <Duskao> eremite to be honest, I prefer opera over either, but I am having issues with opening .deb files with it.
[04:50] <fujimitsu> eremite: your way bloats the system with qt and gtk plus whatever openbox installs.. too many redundant apps. not to mention all the dependencies for each window manager
[04:50] <Duskao> and using getdeb/playdeb
[04:51] <eremite> fujimitsu: My machine can handle it, no problems.  None at all, except that Ubuntu Karmic is utter shii'te.
[04:52] <Duskao> eremite why do you say karmic is ... not to your liking?
[04:52] <fujimitsu> certainly not recommended
[04:52] <fujimitsu> eremite
[04:54] <eremite> No sound from mic or line-in via speakers, no sound in games, games are laggy (work perfect in Windows same machine), no detecting native screen resolution, freezing when hibernating ro sleeping and needs hard reset, etc.
[04:56] <fujimitsu> sounds like default system configuration doesnt get along with your hardware
[04:56] <Duskao> agreed.
[04:56] <Duskao> what are you sys specs eremite?
[04:56] <eremite> fujimitsu: It did with every other Ubuntu version.  -_-
[04:56] <Duskao> did you upgrade or fresh install?
[04:57] <eremite> It was an upgrade.  I know, I knoiw, dont need the lecture.  Already had it.
[04:58] <Duskao> well, that is likely your problem. With all the overhead I'm amazed you have a working comp.
[04:59] <Duskao> before you issue karmic a flop you should really try a fresh install.
[05:04] <Duskao> wow, this channel is pretty quiet
[05:05] <moonrock713> sure is
[05:05] <Duskao> suppose thats a good thing. Not many issues then eh?
[05:05] <eremite> You should see the Ubuntu channel.  Infested with complaints.  Scary.
[05:06] <Duskao> Yeah, I have been there many times.
[05:06] <Duskao> I got sick of Gnome, thats why I'm using Kubuntu now, but as I said I'm still new to KDE, but it's pretty nice once you get used to it. A few issues, but where arne't there? lol
[05:16] <marwan_> Hello, I have the Yahoo on Kopete and pidgin is not working
[05:16] <marwan_> any one can help
[05:18] <Duskao> so it's not working on either kopete or pidgin?
[05:20] <fujimitsu> !kopete
[05:21] <Duskao> marwan_ Kopete is a good client, it should work as long as you have all the info put in properly.
[05:21] <fujimitsu> pidgin is not required nor is the default IM client for kubuntu
[05:22] <fujimitsu> furthermore, they both do the same thing
[05:22] <marwan_> yes i have it works fine with MSN
[05:23] <marwan_> just fine but the Yahoo keep trying to log and then stops
[05:23] <fujimitsu> so your problem is only with yahoo?.. maybe their site is down
[05:23] <Duskao> have you tried logging in on yahoo?
[05:28] <onishidato> how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan
[05:28] <onishidato> how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan?
[05:30] <onishidato> how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan?
[05:32] <marwan_> yes i tried
[05:32] <onishidato> how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan?
[05:33] <marwan_> to log in Yahoo
[05:33] <Duskao> did it work?
[05:34] <marwan_> no
[05:34] <marwan_> it did not work
[05:34] <Duskao> thats probably your problem then. Sounds like their server is down.
[05:36] <marwan_> i have 4 PC's with and all of them using Kopete and they are not working
[05:37] <onishidato> how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan?
[05:37] <marwan_> i am not sure if this is Problem in my PC
[05:37] <marwan_> or other PC's i have
[05:40] <Duskao> thats what I mean. it is probably a problem with yahoo right now.
[05:40] <onishidato> how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan?
[05:50] <onishidato> how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan?
[06:09] <xjjk> onishidato: you only need to ask once... what do you mean "autodiscover"?
[06:32] <xjjk> onishidato: autodiscover what and for what purpose?
[06:32] <onishidato> for sharing the folder
[06:32] <xjjk> onishidato: I'd use SCP/SFTP and avahi
[06:33] <onishidato> like in Mac, when we open the root, we can see other computer which open the share folder
[06:33] <xjjk> onishidato: startup dolphin
[06:33] <xjjk> then in the URL bar
[06:33] <xjjk> go to zeroconf:/
[06:34] <xjjk> you should see "Remote disk (fish)"
[06:34] <xjjk> hrm, actually, no you won't...
[06:34] <onishidato> why?
[06:34] <xjjk> onishidato: if you type fish://hostname.local into the URL bar, where hostname is the hostname of the remote machine
[06:34] <xjjk> onishidato: Ubuntu doesn't setup ssh/sftp announcments by default
[06:35] <onishidato> how can we set it up?
[06:35] <xjjk> onishidato: just to verify, do you have an SSH server setup on the computer you want to copy from?
[06:36] <onishidato> xjjk: i don't know, i'm new to computer
[06:37] <neptunepink> plasma-desktop went to hell and wouldn't start. So what I did: mv .kde .kde_rocks; plasma-desktop; find .kde > /tmp/kill; rm -rf .kde; mv .kde_rocks .kde; cat /tmp/kill | xargs rm -v
[06:38] <xjjk> neptunepink: that's sort of a weird way to start it...
[06:38] <neptunepink> Except it broke other configs too. :/
[06:39] <xjjk> neptunepink: yah, it tends to
[06:39] <neptunepink> It should still have the per-app config though.
[06:39] <xjjk> neptunepink: I'd backup only ~/.kde/config/share/config/plasma*
[06:39] <xjjk> and then remove them
[06:40] <xjjk> copy each back one by one till you find out whats causing the crashing
[06:40] <xjjk> I'm going to guess it's an applet
[06:40] <neptunepink> psh, too much effort. Though i did make a full backup of .kde
[06:40] <xjjk> neptunepink: I think messing around with ~/.kde is too much effort, you mess with the settings of all other applications
[06:43] <neptunepink> Getting rid of plasma* didn't fix it.
[06:43] <xjjk> neptunepink: er, so you stopped plasma
[06:43] <xjjk> removed those files
[06:43] <xjjk> and started again?
[06:44] <xjjk> if you remove while plasma is still running, it'll put the files back
[06:44] <neptunepink> Plasma was kind enough to stop itself, actually. :P
[06:44] <iconmefisto> make sure you're logged out of kde session when you restore files. then log in
[06:44] <xjjk> haha, you probably want to verify that
[06:44] <neptunepink> Perhaps it didn't. I didn't see the widgets anyways.
[06:45] <xjjk> neptunepink: kquitapp plasma-desktop
[06:46] <neptunepink> Why not killall -9?
[06:46] <xjjk> neptunepink: that's not necessarily reliable
[06:46] <xjjk> it may restart
[06:47] <jb0694> i tried to install some new gfx card drivers and now kubuntu won't start... is there a way to revert back to the last working config (like in windows)?
[06:47] <xjjk> jb0694: not really
[06:48] <jb0694> so i'm screwed?
[06:49] <neptunepink> I moved the plasma* to another directory; it still failed. It prints out a lot of, "QGraphicsGridLayout::itemAt: invalid index 2"
[06:49] <jb0694> xjjk: so that's it... just have to reinstall the os?
[06:50] <xjjk> neptunepink: aha, I had that problem... what theme are you using? qtcurve or something instead of oxygen?
[06:50] <neptunepink> xjjk: Quite so!
[06:50] <xjjk> neptunepink: switch back to oxygen
[06:50] <xjjk> then start plasma
[06:50] <xjjk> it'll work
[06:50] <xjjk> also, delete /var/cache/kde*/plasma*
[06:50] <xjjk> or something like that
[06:51] <xjjk> plasma keeps a cache you need to delete
[06:51] <xjjk> once plasma starts successfully, then switch back to your other theme
[06:51] <jb0694> anybody help?  i installed the wrong gfx card drivers and now kubuntu won't start... do i have any options to revert every thing back the way it was?
[06:51] <neptunepink> xjjk: There aren't any kde directories under /var/cache.
[06:51] <neptunepink> ah, but perhaps in .kde
[06:52] <xjjk> sorry, /var/tmp
[06:52] <jb0694> anybody help?  i installed the wrong gfx card drivers and now kubuntu won't start... do i have any options to revert every thing back the way it was?
[06:52] <aperson> !patience | jb0694
[06:53] <neptunepink> That is where ~/.kde/cache-`hostname` points to.
[06:53] <jb0694> all i want is a yes or no so i know what i'm in for... i'm not asking for a solution
[06:53] <neptunepink> jb0694: Did you install the drivers using the package management?
[06:54] <jb0694> yes... synaptic
[06:55] <neptunepink> Do you remember what the packages were called?
[06:56] <jb0694> neptunepink: yes, i unloaded radeon, radeonhd and installed xorg-driver-fglrx (there were a couple of dependant packages that were installed with it)
[07:00] <neptunepink> jb0694: Undoing that is probably a good idea.
[07:01] <neptunepink> xjjk: Semi-improvement. It loads the desktop, but freezes.
[07:01] <xjjk> neptunepink: with a different theme, or with oxygen
[07:01] <neptunepink> It shows the desktop background, and freezes I mean.
[07:02] <neptunepink> Ah, do you mean plasma-theme?
[07:02] <jb0694> neptunepink: but how can i undo it if the OS won't even load... i can't even get to the desktop... it just only get's to the kubuntu logo (has bad gfx artifacts) and then freezes
[07:02] <xjjk> neptunepink: your KDE widget style
[07:03] <neptunepink> jb0694: Do you know how to get to the grub menu? You keep hitting escape after turning on the computer.
[07:04] <lordraptor> is anything gtk installed on kubuntu?
[07:04] <neptunepink> And then select recovery-mode.
[07:04] <jb0694> esc?  hmmmmm that didn't work...
[07:05] <neptunepink> Be aggressive with it. You need to hit it a bunch of times between the BIOS logo and the kubuntu logo.
[07:08] <jb0694> neptunepink: ok... i'm in there i think... i see something called xfix where it will try to auto repair gfx problems... should i try that?
[07:08] <neptunepink> Yes.
[07:08] <jb0694> neptunepink: and then resume normal boot?
[07:09] <neptunepink> yeah.
[07:09] <ratchet_> um... sorry to bother anyone but how do i change the read write acess on my backup drive? the option in propertys says that i dont have access rights to change the permishions
[07:09] <jb0694> i think i'm screwed... it's hanging
[07:10] <ratchet_> im on 9.10 btw
[07:10] <iconmefisto> jb0694: you need to remove the fglrx driver
[07:12] <jb0694> iconmefisto: should i select dpkg for repair a broken package?
[07:12] <lordraptor> i dont even know howto use linux with hal but i know editing the fstab used to fix permissions on drives
[07:12] <iconmefisto> jb0694: are you at the recovery mode menu?
[07:12] <jb0694> yes
[07:12] <ratchet_> i dont know anything about fstab
[07:12] <iconmefisto> I think it's called "drop to root login" or something
[07:13] <jb0694> drop to rooth shell prompt with networking?
[07:14] <iconmefisto> yeah
[07:14] <iconmefisto> once you get to a prompt: apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:15] <iconmefisto> then type: apt-get autoremove
[07:15] <jb0694> xorg-driver-fglrx also installed a couple of dependant packages... will it remove those too?
[07:16] <iconmefisto>  apt-get autoremove   will remove the others
[07:17] <jb0694> hmmm... it worked... should i reboot or try and install the radeon and radeonhd packages?
[07:17] <iconmefisto> then I guess you should install the open source ati driver
[07:17] <jb0694> can you tell me the exact package name for the radeonhd?
[07:18] <iconmefisto> hang on
[07:19] <iconmefisto> I think if you install xserver-xorg-video-ati it should get any other packages it needs, including the radeon ones
[07:19] <iconmefisto> apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati
[07:20] <jb0694> done... restart?
[07:20] <iconmefisto> yes
[07:20] <iconmefisto> just type reboot
[07:20] <lordraptor> ratchet_, /etc/fstab
[07:20] <neptunepink> xjjk: plasma-desktop-appletsrc seems to be the cause.
[07:21] <xjjk> neptunepink: interesting... shouldn't be too hard to just delete that and reconfigure everything
[07:21] <neptunepink> I'm going to try editing it, actually.
[07:22] <jb0694> you're the man once again! it worked *major sigh of relief*
[07:22] <neptunepink> agh, my todo list is on that. >_>
[07:22] <jb0694> no more experimenting
[07:22] <iconmefisto> jb0694: ok, so your screen resolution is what it was before?
[07:23] <jb0694> ya... looks the same
[07:23] <neptunepink> Which has the most horribly ugly html, btw...
[07:26] <jb0694> i think i'm just gonna have to settle for bad fps in glxgears... i have been doing research on my own and it appears that there are 3 possible drivers for my radeon card.  1) the open source drivers that come with the OS. 2) open source drivers that are fglrx. 3) propietary radeon drivers that are also fglrx.  i should be able to download (2) from the online repos right? which package is the fglrx drivers that are open source... i
[07:26] <jb0694> thought the radeonhd were the opensource fglrx drivers?
[07:29] <iconmefisto> apt-cache search xserver-xorg-video radeon    will show you the radeon drivers
[07:30] <jb0694> iconmefisto: but which are the open source fglrx?  i thought the radeonhd was the opensource fglrx drivers?  is that right?
[07:30] <iconmefisto> but I think when you install xserver-xorg-video-ati it chooses whether you need the radeon or radeonhd driver and installs the right one
[07:31] <jb0694> hmmmm... the radeonhd drivers were actually not installed... just the standard radeon drivers
[07:31] <iconmefisto> apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-radeon         will show you info about the package
[07:32] <iconmefisto> and do the same for xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[07:35] <jb0694> iconmefisto: it doesn't say if the radeonhd is the open source fglrx driver... i know where i can get the closed source/proprietary fglrx radeon driver (from ATI's website) but there is supposed to be an open source fglrx driver... i don't know if that is the radeonhd
[07:36] <iconmefisto> jb0694: have you tried the ati radeon guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[07:37] <iconmefisto> or maybe this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto#ATI%20%28fglrx%29
[07:45] <jb0694> i've seen ur first link... it's tricksy
[07:46] <jb0694> hello my preciousssss (that's my golum impersonation.... hahahahahha)
[07:51] <faLUCE>  hi. I know this is off-topic but: where the version number of a software should be inserted? In the code or in a configuration file? thanks
[08:53] <eeos> maco: ping
[08:53] <maco> whats up?
[08:55] <eeos> maco: hi there .... I checked but kopete in my installtion does not have a msn plugin .... I use 434 on kubuntu 910 64 bit
[08:58] <eeos> maco: I am using version 0.80.2 that is the version that comes from the repository .... I thought I would tell you after yesterday chat
[08:58] <maco> ok
[08:59] <eeos> maco: so either is not in the repository, or there is no support in kopete, at least as packaged by kubuntu
[08:59] <maco> ok
[08:59] <maco> maybe that was the kde3 version that did it or something
[08:59] <maco> *shrug* i dont use kopete as i think it's ugly
[08:59] <maco> (yes, im that shallow about my software)
[09:00] <james_l> Kopete has no problems with MSN at least for me using the amd64. (9.10)
[09:02] <eeos> maco: why shallow?
[09:02] <eeos> james_l: and how di you get the plugin?
[09:04] <james_l> It should be there by default (and has been on all computers I've ever installed kubuntu on, en-i386 or en-amd64), I'm double checking the library it uses.
[09:05] <eeos> james_l: the only MS related stuff my kopete accounts list shows are wlm and winpopup
[09:07] <james_l> Check if you have libmsn0.1 installed? (It's not directly linked to kopete, but it's the only package with msn installed in my computer, I'll go check the plugin)
[09:08] <eeos> james_l: yes, I have it
[09:08] <james_l> Are any other protocols missing?
[09:08] <eeos> james_l: nope
[09:09] <james_l> ...
[09:09] <eeos> james_l: I do not have a SIP plugin though .... but apparently nobody has (from yesterday evening conversation)
[09:09] <james_l> D'oh
[09:09] <james_l> WLM Messenger = MSN
[09:10] <eeos> james_l: oh $§%§&!....
[09:10] <eeos> james_l: thanks a lot .... someone was telling me to use the msn plugin as starting point, and see if it can be used for SIP
[09:10] <james_l> Yeah, I went to type up all the accounts I had listed, then had a moment, of realizing there wasn't MSN, but it worked.
[09:11] <eeos> james_l: forgot to mention msn = wlm
[09:12] <eeos> james_l: thanks a lot for your help!
[09:12] <james_l> So you don't have it?
[09:12] <eeos> james_l: yes I do have the WLM
[09:13] <james_l> I don't know much about the details of IM, but isn't Jabber (esp Google) more related to SIP?
[09:13] <eeos> james_l: The person who told me about using MSN as a starting point for SIP forgot to mention that the plugin was actually WLM not MSN .... so I looked for MSN
[09:13] <james_l> Glad I could help
[09:15] <eeos> james_l: I do not know the jabber protocol at all, I thought it was a customised  xml based protocol
[09:28] <eeos> james_l: what do you use for SIP?
[09:54] <youyou1> 你们好啊
[10:48] <michele> hola
[10:48] <Mamarok> !es | michele
[10:48] <Mamarok> oops,
[10:48] <Mamarok> !it | michele
[10:49] <Mamarok> sorry
[10:53] <michele> |list
[10:54] <michele> !list
[11:03] <florian_> hallo :)
[11:04] <florian_> anybody there?
[11:14] <robin0800> 245 and counting
[11:37] <pat|nG> 3hrs left i can get my new notebook...can't wait for kubuntu to be installed
[11:37] <pat|nG> weeeeeeeee
[12:06] <_StefanS_> hello..
[12:07] <_StefanS_> on karmic with kde 4.4rc1, is there any way to allow be to change the date/time ? All i get is some information in the top saying that I'm not allowed to save the konfiguration
[14:10] <ubuntu_> italian fo ubuntu, please?
[14:10] <Pici> !it
[14:10] <ubuntu_> thanku so much
[14:12] <ubuntu__> Hello
[14:13] <MrHedgehog> Hello
[14:13] <MrHedgehog> Anyone finn in there?
[14:14] <Pici> !fi | perhaps
[14:14] <MrHedgehog> thanks!
[14:15] <HerraSiili> Tere
[14:17] <Benkinooby> hi everybody, is someone familiar with recording radio streams? what i want: record a radion stream, and save it to mp3 (so far no problem). but what i want, is to safe the stream into different files, whenever a new song or part of the program comes.
[14:17] <Benkinooby> radion = radio
[14:18] <Benkinooby> i was used to do it with clipinc under windows, but now i want to be with kubuntu
[14:20] <ma> qualcuno parla italiano qui?
[14:21] <Pici> !it | ma
[14:22] <ma> pici  grazie e scusate
[14:28] <Benkinooby> oh, i think vlc is doing it automatically :D tooo nice
[14:28] <Benkinooby> i have to test, what vlc does, when different programparts are in the same "record"
[14:38] <otswim> hi, i removed the share/apps/katepart folder in order to get a clean one, but when i reinstalled kate, it did not come back, what can i do?
[14:44] <Benkinooby> lc does not separate.. going to try streamripper
[14:45] <Benkinooby> otswim: is it a problem, when it is missing?
[14:47] <otswim> Benkinooby: yes, it's where all the highlighting and indenter files are
[14:51] <Benkinooby> streamripper does toe job :D
[14:51] <Benkinooby> the
[14:52] <otswim> Benkinooby: ?
[14:53] <Benkinooby> otswim: i am googling... maybe reinstall kate?
[14:53] <agnese> #ubuntu-it
[14:53] <agnese> ups
[14:53] <agnese> sorry, wrong
[14:53] <otswim> Benkinooby: i've already purged it and reinstalled it
[14:54] <Benkinooby> otswim: didn't help?
[14:54] <otswim> Benkinooby: no :(
[14:54] <Benkinooby> otswim: i case, i can send you my folder
[14:54] <Benkinooby> otswim: quick & dirty
[14:55] <otswim> Benkinooby: too dirty :p
[14:55] <Benkinooby> otswim: just create the folder by hand... maybe it get's populated automatically
[14:55] <otswim> Benkinooby: automatically after doing what?
[14:56] <Benkinooby> otswim: when you create it, maybe it will be filled
[14:56] <otswim> Benkinooby: that would be too easy :)
[14:56] <Benkinooby> otswim: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/173283
[14:56] <Benkinooby> otswim: similar problem...
[14:57] <otswim> Benkinooby: no i don't really have a bug, i removed katepart by hand
[14:57] <Benkinooby> otswim: there is also a kate channel on freenode, maybe you try your luck there
[14:58] <Benkinooby> otswim: i know, but the problem, a missing folder, is the same, so the solution should be the same too
[15:06] <Benkinooby> otswim: i checked out to wich package this folder belongs
[15:06] <Benkinooby> otswim: type "dpkg -S katepart" to your cli
[15:07] <batiste> Hello
[15:07] <otswim> kdelibs-data and kdelibs5-data thanks :)
[15:08] <batiste> What is the proper way of doing that now : http://lukeplant.me.uk/blog/posts/django-admin-hack-fields-varying-with-user-permissions/
[15:09] <batiste> I want to disable some fields if the user doesn't have some permissions...
[15:11] <batiste> Sorry wrong channeø
[15:14] <Benkinooby> otswim: did it help?
[15:15] <otswim> Benkinooby: yes thanks a lot
[15:16] <Benkinooby> otswim: no problem :D
[15:24] <jimmy51_> is there a a quick way to download and install a ton of fonts?
[15:24] <jimmy51_> a giant "fonts" package or something  similar?
[15:26] <jimmy51_> !fonts
[15:29] <Mannequin> hi. any ideas why I still have Firefox 3.0.x even after upgrading to Ubuntu 9.10?
[15:29] <Mannequin> * Kubuntu
[15:52] <michel> hi
[15:53] <michel> firefox is using ugly fonts, though i set gtk themes and styles to Qt Curve. anyone here knowing of the solution?=)
[15:55] <ilumi> sup
[15:55] <ilumi> sup
[15:57] <michel> are my messages displayed?
[15:58] <simion314> muchel yes
[16:00] <przemo_one> hi
[16:04] <alexander_> hallo, jemand hier?
[16:07] <markus___> !anyone
[16:33] <joaquin> helo
[16:34]  * genii sips and ponders the 9-second Hello
[16:41] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[16:53] <resno> i have a problem with unmet dependencies on  kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4. how can i rollback to the previous version
[16:58] <TheAncientGoat> Heh. Amarok keeps on segfaulting at launch + my notification panels dont want to dissapear nor do my normal panels want to autohide anymore :\
[16:58] <TheAncientGoat> Guess I should blame fancytasks for breaking something
[17:00] <pat|nG> i downloaded kubuntu 9.10 if i'll install it and after it is finish from installing can i use it directly?
[17:02] <resno> i have a problem with unmet dependencies on  kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4. how can i rollback to the previous version
[17:04] <genii> resno: There is no "rollback feature"
[17:07] <resno> genii: so how do i get it working again?
[17:09] <genii> resno: Which Kubuntu version are you using, and which repositories?
[17:09] <genii> (please use pastebin if needed)
[17:10] <resno> genii: i am using 9.08?
[17:10] <resno> i have not updated to the recent 9.10
[17:11] <genii> resno: Likely then 9.04 (Jaunty). From Konsole, what is result of command: lsb_release -r
[17:12] <resno> genii: indeed 9.04
[17:13] <resno> http://dpaste.com/147503/
[17:13] <resno> is that the correct listing?
[17:14] <genii> resno: Please use pastebin website to show contents of the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:15] <genii> resno: Also if possible to show us the exact errors you are getting
[17:16] <genii> Work, I'll be back in a few minutes
[17:16] <resno> http://pastebin.com/d45152260 genii
[17:24] <genii> resno: I would suggest to enable backports by uncommenting lines 40 and 41 (for this you can from Alt-F2 run: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list) and then to try again the updates
[17:24] <genii> resno: uncommenting means to remove the # at beginning of the line
[17:29] <resno> genii: ok. one sec.
[17:37] <resno> genii: should i just apt-get install -f?
[17:38] <genii> resno: I would first try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade                       to see if it will just get the unresolved stuff from backports repository
[17:39] <resno> genii: thats a no go
[17:39] <resno> would like me to pastebin the error?
[17:40] <genii> resno: Yes
[17:41] <resno> http://pastebin.com/d475fe99d genii
[17:42] <markus___> pat|nG: its a live cd so boot from it and see if its working. Then you can decide if you want to install it.
[17:43] <nerdy_kid> i seem to be missing the 'remote widget policies' in systemsettings (kde 4.4)
[17:45] <kraken> re
[17:50] <Guest54765> new install of 9.10, flash works out of the box (o_O) but no sound?
[17:52] <genii> resno: OK, thats not too horrible. We can force it to install, but need the name of the package now from /var/cache/apt/archives . Is it 32 or 64 bit?
[17:52] <resno> 32 bit genii
[17:54] <Fanfare> Guest54765: play around with the channels in Kmix
[17:55] <genii> resno: OK, so: sudo dpkg -i --ignore-depends=kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime_4.2.2-0ubuntu1.1_i386.deb
[17:57] <gian> avatar
[17:59] <resno> genii: no such file or directory for var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime_4.2.2....
[18:01] <otswim> hi, is someone using the widget 'magic folder', is there a way to make it behave like a real folder so that i can do 'mv randomfile magicfolder'?
[18:01] <jmichaelx> i have several DEs installed on this system. this morning, in Gnome, I installed AWN, and spent some time configuring it. Upon switching back to KDE, which is what I primarily use, AWN kept coming up - no matter what I tried to stop it. dows anyone here have an idea on how to stop AWN from showing up in KDE?
[18:04] <resno> genii: these are what icurrently have http://pastebin.com/m8febe92
[18:09] <genii> resno: OK, so: sudo dpkg -i --ignore-depends=kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime_4%3a4.2.2-0ubuntu1.1_i386.deb            instead
[18:11] <resno> genii: http://pastebin.com/d65a2f3f0 next error msg :(
[18:14] <genii> resno: Add then to same command: --force-overwrite
[18:21] <resno> genii: it appears that did the trick! thank you very much.
[18:21] <resno> genii: does that mean i am updated or rolled back?
[18:22] <genii> resno: Updated, for the time being
[18:23] <resno> genii: do you have any clue what caused it?
[18:24] <genii> resno: I would suspect that it's list of dependencies uses something like: requires = exact-version            instead of something like: requires => fuzzier-version
[18:28] <resno> genii: i see, thanks again for your assistance
[18:29] <resno> ubuntu and kubunutu are only different in that they use kde or gnome right?
[18:34] <genii> resno: There are other differences, mostly to do with underlying stuff like HAL and DBUS, but the main difference is the desktop, yes
[18:35] <jigger> hi @ all in #kubuntu
[18:37] <Xenefungus> why is there this big ugly brown box in amarok?
[18:37] <Xenefungus> can i change its style?
[18:39] <otswim> hi, is someone using the widget 'magic folder', is there a way to make it behave like a real folder so that i can do 'mv randomfile magicfolder'?
[18:40] <otswim> when using knotes, i want to disable the spell checking, so i do right click and disable it, but if i restart the program then it comes back
[18:46] <zaqs> hi
[18:52] <Duskao> has anyone tried kde 4.4 through the backports?
[19:02] <Duskao> has anyone tried kde 4.4 through the backports?
[19:02] <wftl> Duskao: I am running it here.
[19:02] <wftl> On 9.10.
[19:02] <Duskao> does it work welll? any issues with it?
[19:02] <Duskao> thinking about upgrading to it.
[19:03] <Duskao> it's just enabling backports right?
[19:03] <wftl> There are always issues [ insert appropriate smiley here ]
[19:03] <wftl> Remember that it is still a release candidate.
[19:03] <Duskao> of course
[19:03] <Duskao> well, since I'm still new to kde, perhaps I should wait... :D
[19:04] <wftl> The biggest issue I had, and it was most sincerely an issue, was akonadi.
[19:04] <Duskao> oh yeah?
[19:04] <wftl> Had a devil of a time getting it working. If you aren't using Kontact, etc, then you would be fine.
[19:04] <wftl> Yep.
[19:04] <wftl> Nasty.
[19:04] <shadeslayer> Duskao: its slow as hell.. install beta 2 if you can find it in a different repo
[19:05] <Duskao> well, I think I will wait till it's a  bit more mature then.
[19:05] <Duskao> Thanks for the info guys.
[19:05] <wftl> Had to install several packages, and create and use my own MySQL database instead of the 'internal mysql server'
[19:06] <wftl> Also needed to make sure nepomuk was installed and running as well. The backports don't address this.
[19:06] <Duskao> yeah, don't want to get into that right now, as I said, I'm still new to kde and I'm still just trying to figure out the in's and out's of the system.
[19:06] <wftl> I happen to like this release a lot, but anything pre-release is going to have issues.
[19:07] <Duskao> makes sense
[19:07] <wftl> Stick to the official release then. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the current version.
[19:08] <wftl> As I'm fond of saying, if you're going to ride the bleeding edge, better be prepared to get bloodied.
[19:08] <Duskao> will do. Was just hoping there were updates to the Kpackagekit. It doesn't seem to like installing everything I ask it to.
[19:09] <Duskao> lol, very true.
[19:09] <Duskao> been there many times with gnome.
[19:09] <wftl> Some of us never learn. Yes, I am speaking for myself. :-)
[19:10] <Duskao> ok, one more question. You prefer kwin or compiz?
[19:11] <Duskao> or do you use any desktop effects?
[19:12] <zippy> I have an on-off button on my desktop
[19:12] <shadeslayer> wftl: 4.3.90 packages have virtuoso to make nepomuk work
[19:13] <Duskao> zippy fusion? or a different one?
[19:14] <zippy> kwin compositing on-off
[19:14] <wftl> Duskao: I just use kwin. Perfectly happy with its effects
[19:15] <Duskao> I have been using kwin and I'm quite happy with it, was just wondering if there were any underlieing issues with it.
[19:41] <jmichaelx> i have several DEs installed on this system. this morning, in Gnome, I installed AWN, and spent some time configuring it. Upon switching back to KDE, which is what I primarily use, AWN kept coming up - no matter what I tried to stop it. dows anyone here have an idea on how to stop AWN from showing up in KDE?
[19:44] <Duskao> well, you will have to stop it from loading apon start up, I'm not sure how to do it in KDE yet, but in gnome you go to start up applications.
[19:44] <jmichaelx> yeah, there is 'autostart' in kde system settings. stopping AWN there made no difference at all.
[19:44] <Duskao> try system settings, then advanced, then start up
[19:45] <Duskao> I mean autostart in settings
[19:45] <jmichaelx> yeah, i did do that. it just didn' change anything.
[19:45] <Duskao> then I would log into gnome and try it that way.
[19:45] <Duskao> why don't you want it to load in kde?
[19:46] <jmichaelx> because i want to use the kde panel in kde. i do not use Gnome regularly.
[19:47] <Duskao> yeah, I found that quitting AWN is annoying, I found I had to kill it in the system monitor.
[19:47] <Duskao> just one of the many reasons I switched to docky
[19:48] <jce0694> trying to folloow instructions here to install new radeon drivers (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver) but i'm stuck on the command "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"... anybody help?
[19:48] <jmichaelx> Duskao: maybe i will also have to play around with docky
[19:49] <jmichaelx> jce0694: are you using kubuntu & kdm?
[19:49] <Duskao> jmichaelx I would recommend it.
[19:49] <jce0694> yes... i'm running kubuntu
[19:49] <jce0694> not sure about kdm... it's kde that's running i think
[19:49] <jmichaelx> jce0694: you might try 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart' in that case
[19:50] <jce0694> hehehehe that did it
[19:50] <Duskao> jce0694 if you are using proprietary drivers (catalyst) you should follow http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installation_Guide
[19:51] <jce0694> no the drivers are open source i believe
[19:51] <Duskao> oh yeah, then nevermind lol, I  suppose I should read better. what vid card you using?
[19:51] <jmichaelx> jce0694: yes, the driver you are talking abut is the FOSS driver
[19:52] <Duskao> cause depending on the card you are using you might want to go the proprietary route or Open Source Radeon route
[19:53] <jce0694> all these drivers are really confusing... FOSS, fglrx, radeon, radeonhd,etc.
[19:53] <Duskao> yeah, well the radeon and radeonHD are differn't, but very similar, the fglrx is the proprietary (catalyst) from ati.
[19:54] <Duskao> but seriously what video card do you have?
[19:55] <jce0694> but i think there is also an fglrx that is open source too... i thought that was what i was installing (uh oh)...
[19:55] <soee> is there any theme for Opera browser (10.10)for KDE ?
[19:55] <Duskao> no, fglrx is closed source. there is not an open source fglrx.
[19:57] <Duskao> jce0694 messing with video drivers can cause lots of issues so let me try to help you, but first I need to know what video card you have. Or is it on on board graphics chip?
[19:59] <Duskao> if you are trying to install the newest open source drivers (radeon/radeonhd edgy) you will need to update your kernel or it won't work properly, plus with newer cards they don't have full support yet.
[20:00] <Duskao> bah, whatever.
[20:00] <jce0694> it's an x1200... i think i already messed things up... i'm on the step at the end where it says to type "glxinfo | grep vendor" and the guide says you should see something mentioned about "SGI".  however, all mine says is "error:  unable to open display"... this doesn't sound good
[20:00] <Duskao> nope, it doesn't
[20:01] <Duskao> well, with that card the only route to go is the open source drivers cause ati doesn't support that chip anymore.
[20:04] <Duskao> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers using this will give you the best performance you can get with your card, but it's easy to break your sysem with it.
[20:04] <Duskao> with your chip your kind of stuck behind a rock and a hard place....
[20:05] <Duskao> and I have only done that using gnome.
[20:05] <jce0694> Duskao: ya... i know... so should i try and finish the tutorial or should i just try and revert everything back to the way it was before?
[20:06]  * mkquist is away: Gone away for now
[20:06] <Duskao> well, did you just install kubuntu? is it a fresh install or is there lots of stuff you need to keep?
[20:07] <Duskao> if it's fresh and you don't have anything important on your partition and you still have your kubuntu cd, then you can follow through with what you are doing and finish it up, but if you do have important stuff I would recomment backing it up right away, don't restart your computer before you back it up or it might already be too late.
[20:09] <jce0694> like a couple of months ago... everything was working great before... i can't just undo what the tutorial said to do?
[20:09] <Duskao> not too sure, I'll take a look.
[20:09] <jce0694> i don't really need to keep everything... i just hate having to go back and reinstall and configure all my apps again
[20:11] <jce0694> here's link again:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver i'm at the tail end where it says to test the driver
[20:12] <Duskao> I know what you mean. Well the guide you are following is a bit out dated, but you might as well give it a go. the latest radeon drivers don't use the xorg.conf so... it shouldn't make too much of a difference.
[20:13] <jce0694> i did make a backup of my xorg.conf
[20:14] <Duskao> once 10.04 is out you should be much happier with any of this though, as the open source drivers should be in use by default.
[20:15] <jce0694> should i reboot or just go back into the windows environment?  i hit ctrl-alt-f1 before and it took me to promt... how do i get back into "windows"?
[20:16] <Duskao> you can try sudo start kdm
[20:16] <ilumi> !chm
[20:16] <Duskao> if that doesn't work then I would reboot.
[20:16] <Duskao> there follow ilumi
[20:16] <ilumi> anyone know a good reader to read chm books in linux?
[20:16] <ilumi> Duskao: whats up
[20:16] <Duskao> lol, nothing
[20:17] <jce0694> one thing i didn't do (or said to try) is to make sure you restart the xserver... how is this done (it doesn't say in directions)
[20:17] <Duskao> jce0694 sorry, I'm not sure. I would reboot. be prepared to get your disc ready though...
[20:18] <hubert_> ???
[20:19] <jce0694> when i type "sudo start kdm" it returns "unknown job: kdm" is there another way to get back to the desktop?
[20:19] <ilumi> jce0694: did you try the radeonhd driver?
[20:19] <james_l> jce0694: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start (or restart)
[20:20] <ilumi> try xinit
[20:20]  * mkquist is back.
[20:21] <ilumi> whoohoo he's baaack
[20:21] <jce0694> doesn't look good... can't i fix this from the grub menu?
[20:21] <ilumi> lol, log into console not grun menu
[20:21] <ilumi> grub
[20:22] <jce0694> ot
[20:24] <jce0694> yep... it's toast... the only thing that I physically changed (besides the the xorg.conf which I backed up) was I executed this command:  sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx.  i should just be able to undo that from the grub menu right?
[20:25] <james_l> Not from grub
[20:26] <james_l> grub is a bootloader, and while it can mount extX (and other) filesystems, that's pretty much just to get the kernel to boot.
[20:26] <james_l> Rescue mode (accessed from grub) probably can.
[20:27] <Duskao> jce0694 hey did you install a driver with "hardware drivers" before?
[20:27] <Duskao> cause you purging the fglrx shouldn't make too much of a difference if you didn't have it installed.
[20:27] <jce0694> no... before i used synaptic..
[20:28] <james_l> ... things like this are why I'm not going to be buying ATI for a long time.
[20:28] <Duskao> I agree, my next will be nvidia, but for now....
[20:29] <jce0694> i'm going into recovery mode now...
[20:29] <Duskao> open up your xorg.conf
[20:29] <Duskao> what does it say?
[20:29] <james_l> Currently running computers of mine use: nvidia, nvidia, neomagic
[20:29] <Duskao> newmagic???? whats that?
[20:30] <james_l> ancient, though it runs 9.04 fine, after changing the screen depth (IBM Thinkpad 600, look it up if interested)
[20:30] <jce0694> what do i type to see that file?
[20:31] <james_l> (fine, being relative)
[20:31]  * mkquist is away: Gone away for now
[20:31] <jce0694> i did do a backup of the xorg.conf file... should i simply restore the file?
[20:33]  * mkquist is back.
[20:33] <Duskao> well if you changed the driver it might not make much difference, but it might be worth a try.
[20:34] <jce0694> a simple "mv xorg.conf.bak xorg.conf" should work right (i'm in the correct directory)
[20:34] <jce0694> probably need to sudo that command...
[20:34] <Duskao> yep
[20:35] <jce0694> it's restored... how do i undo that other command i used (sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx) from grub restored prompt?
[20:36] <jce0694> i'd assume go ahead and load the radeonhd drivers instead...
[20:36] <Duskao> brb
[20:37] <varanus> hi everyone, i'm running kubuntu karmic and i was wondering it i can remove the libpulse0, but when i'm trying to remove it wan't to remove like all my kubuntu packages and programs.
[20:38] <Duskao> I would do a sudo apt-get update
[20:38] <Duskao> then sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[20:38] <Duskao> then reboot
[20:42] <jce0694> it's working now...
[20:42] <Duskao> glad to hear it
[20:43] <Duskao> you probably won't have full functional graphics with your card using those old radeon drivers, but they are your best bet without updating your kernel and going for the newest xorg drivers.
[20:44] <ubuntu> help me
[20:45] <jce0694> Duskao: ok... thnx for help
[20:45] <Duskao> np. tried my best.
[20:45] <jce0694> your best worked =)
[20:46] <ubuntu> reinstal grub >>>Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
[20:46] <Duskao> if you ever do want to try the xorg X crack then go here https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[20:46] <ubuntu> why ?
[20:46] <Duskao> but like I said you will have to update your kernel manually first, and that can cause other issues with the rest of your system.
[20:47] <Duskao> ubuntu sorry not sure.
[20:47] <jce0694> sounds like a mess... i'll pass... one more question... when i go to synaptic it says that I have the xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed but is showing the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd as not installed... which driver should i install the radeon or radeonhd?
[20:48] <Duskao> stick with the radeon
[20:48] <Duskao> radeonhd is becoming obsolete.
[20:50] <Duskao> jce0694 what distro are you using?
[20:51] <Duskao> is it 9.04?
[20:51] <jce0694> Duskao: yes
[20:51] <Duskao> ok, was wondering why you had synaptic lol
[20:52] <Duskao> when 10.04 comes out you might want to think about installing it. it will give you more functionality with you graphics chip set.
[20:52] <jce0694> oh... i like synaptic... is synaptic obsolete?
[20:53] <Duskao> no
[20:53] <Duskao> but it's not being used by K 9.10 by default.
[20:53] <Duskao> of course you could still download it.
[20:53] <jce0694> seems way more stable than kpackagekit... best thing i think i've done so far was installing synaptic
[20:54] <Duskao> I actually quite like kpackagekit so far, but there are a couple foibles with it.
[20:54] <Duskao> I'm hoping they get fixed with 4.4
[21:08] <Xenefungus> i just imstalled compiz but now cant change the numer of virtual desktops anymore. ideas?
[21:09] <jc0694> are there any tweaks that i can make to my xorg.conf file to get a better framerate... as it stand now it's really bare (i have an ati x1200):  http://imagebin.ca/view/oovR_PPI.html
[21:23] <ilumi> jc0694: you prob loading a basic vesa driver
[21:27] <iconmefisto> jc0694: what driver are you using now? still the open source ati?
[21:28] <jordan_> hey guys... my sound just stopped working in my browser. youtube vids don't play sound but my sound everywhere else is working.... any help?
[21:29] <iconmefisto> jordan_: have you tried restarting firefox?
[21:30] <jordan_> iconmefisto yes i have.. it doesn't work in konqueror either
[21:33] <jc0694> ya... i think... i didn't follow that tutoriall (or actually i did but undid everything)... it's just the standard radeon & radeonhd drivers u can get through synaptic
[21:57] <Guest67918> hey, any chance to rotate my desktop under nvidia card? tried with control panel but dont see the option
[22:00] <svnt> No sound in Flash Player... what i wrong? New Install
[22:03] <Guest67918> svnt: got the same prob
[22:03] <Guest67918> sucks hard
[22:03] <Guest67918> i stink im gonne deinstall kubuntu again
[22:03] <Guest67918> sucky community here as well
[22:03] <FloodBotK3> Guest67918: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:03] <Guest67918> check #ubuntu
[22:03] <Guest67918> much more active
[22:09] <iconmefisto> jc0694: you might want to try what this page says: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonHD#For%20Group%202%20Cards
[22:10] <shadeslayer> Xenefungus: yeah you can rotate the card
[22:10] <shadeslayer> i mean the screen
[22:10] <iconmefisto> jc0694: it involves using a newer kernel than what official repos have, and using a radeon driver from a ppa repo
[22:11] <shadeslayer> Xenefungus: just use K > System Settings > Display > Rotation
[22:11] <manuel_> join/#mas_de_40
[22:11] <shadeslayer> Xenefungus: change the last one to Size and oreintation
[22:11] <Xenefungus> shadeslayer: thats what i tried, but it gives me no options except for "no rotation" ;)
[22:11] <Bios> Hey I have a folderview-plasmoid bug: The postion and size of this plasmoid is not saved its resettet after every login logout
[22:12] <shadeslayer> Xenefungus: well nothing in nvidia settings too
[22:12] <Xenefungus> yup, thats the sad part
[22:13] <Xenefungus> under windows its possible with my card, so must be a driver thingie i guess
[22:13] <shadeslayer> Xenefungus: sorry mate no idea
[22:13] <shadeslayer> anyways gtg
[22:13] <Xenefungus> np, thx anyway
[22:13] <Xenefungus> bye
[22:13] <shadeslayer> Xenefungus: it *might* be possible via editing xorg.conf
[22:14] <shadeslayer> !xorg | Xenefungus
[22:28] <Alarm> hello, i use the Widget Style Oxygen (as a system window style) , and ozone decoration . i have also enabled the shadows in the desktop effects. but still i do not see any shadows under my windows at all
[22:29] <Alarm> no matter how i set their settings
[22:34] <trond_> Hi how does an ATI displaycard handle 3d graphics in linux nowdays?
[22:34] <trond_> I have a GF7900GT and a Radeon HD4890, what would be best for playing wow through wine?
[22:37] <Fanfare> trond_: i cant tel bout the ati. i used to play wow years ago with a gf5700...
[22:38] <trond_> Im currently using GF7900GT, it works ok. Short an small FPS drop now and then.. I'll just try the ATI card later
[22:40] <ilumi> trond_: use the 7900gt
[22:41] <trond_> ilumi: ok, the performence initialy is way better on the ATI card, is it the lack of support in linux that makes the choice favor nvidia GF?
[22:42] <ilumi> trond_: if the ati driver works well for then use that, but nvidia has better linux support
[22:44] <trond_> ilumi: Thank you for the answer. Ill test and if the ATI don't work. I'll sell it and buy a new nvidia card
[23:09] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[23:21] <Nafri_> hello, i'm about to install kubuntu 9.10, I've 64bit processor. Which version should i install 32bit or 64bit? I was wondering if there are proper drivers/applications available for 64bit
[23:24] <baddog> Generally you'll be fine with 64bit
[23:25] <baddog> So far I haven't found anything that's missing
[23:25] <Nafri_> ok
[23:25] <Nafri_> thanku
[23:25] <Alarm> confirmed
[23:26] <Nafri_> another thing is, is it ok to install kde4.4 rc1?
[23:26] <Nafri_> i mean it's working ok?
[23:27] <Scunizi> Nafri_: I'm running 64 with no issues yet..
[23:27] <iconmefisto> Nafri_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit
[23:28] <Nafri_> hmm, well i heared that there are some apps like flash player for firefox etc that doesn't work properly on 64bi, but 'm not sure :)
[23:28] <Nafri_> what about kde 4.4rc1?
[23:29] <Nafri_> if i install kde4.4rc1 now, will i be able to update to 4.4 final when it'll be released? or i'll have to reinstall my os?
[23:29] <iconmefisto> Nafri_: kde4.4 is working for me
[23:30] <Scunizi> Nafri_: flash works for me.. install kubuntu-restricted-extras for flash and other restricted format support
[23:31] <raindog> How can I take the output from a script or file and have kdialog --passivepopup work correctly?
[23:34] <Nafri_> Scunizi , iconmefisto : can you guys tell me which is the best browser to work on kde?
[23:36] <iconmefisto> Nafri_: this is what I use (in order of preference): firefox, arora, google chrome, konqueror
[23:44] <alumno00> Hallo. I've installed kubuntu 9.10. Where do I can get the drivers for the video card (VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M96 [Mobility Radeon HD 4650)
[23:45] <ilumi> alumno00: whats wrong with the installed driver?
[23:45] <badipod> You sure they're not already installed? I didn't have to install anything for my card
[23:45] <alumno00> It says it's not installed.
[23:45] <badipod> Which is a mobility radeon x1400
[23:46] <ilumi> alumno00: you can install the radeonhd driver
[23:46] <ilumi> badipod: you kno the full name of that driver?
[23:46] <alumno00> and where is it?
[23:46] <ilumi> alumno00: repos
[23:46] <ilumi> alumno00: apt-get
[23:47] <badipod> No I don't know the name :/
[23:47] <badipod> apt-cache search ati driver or something
[23:50] <alumno00> I find many packages with ATI: radeontool, xserver-xorg-video-ati, xserver-xorg-video-radeon,...
[23:50] <alumno00> xorg-driver-fglrx
[23:52] <alumno00> can be any of that?
[23:52] <alumno00> Now I see. I'd not installed the driver. Now it's installing...
[23:53] <alumno00> and another question. Why I don't have sound? What I see with lspci:
[23:53] <alumno00> 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
[23:53] <alumno00> 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc R700 Audio Device [Radeon HD 4000 Series]
[23:56] <james_l> lsmod | grep snd
[23:58] <reagleBRKLN> i'm trying kubuntu lucid-alternate-amd64.iso to confirm a bug close, but i'm being prompted for a user/passwd at login?


[15:57] <mup> Bug #1889646 opened: "Sorry, home directories outside of /home are not currently supported." during maas init <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889646>
[15:57] <mup> Bug #1889651 opened: MAAS CLI command fails after PGSQL password is refused <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889651>
[16:00] <mup> Bug #1889646 changed: "Sorry, home directories outside of /home are not currently supported." during maas init <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889646>
[16:00] <mup> Bug #1889651 changed: MAAS CLI command fails after PGSQL password is refused <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889651>
[16:03] <mup> Bug #1889646 opened: "Sorry, home directories outside of /home are not currently supported." during maas init <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889646>
[16:03] <mup> Bug #1889651 opened: MAAS CLI command fails after PGSQL password is refused <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889651>
[16:06] <mup> Bug #1889646 changed: "Sorry, home directories outside of /home are not currently supported." during maas init <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889646>
[16:06] <mup> Bug #1889651 changed: MAAS CLI command fails after PGSQL password is refused <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889651>
[16:09] <mup> Bug #1889646 opened: "Sorry, home directories outside of /home are not currently supported." during maas init <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889646>
[16:09] <mup> Bug #1889651 opened: MAAS CLI command fails after PGSQL password is refused <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889651>


[15:44] <ara> skaet, ping
[15:44] <skaet> ara, pong
[15:44] <ara> skaet, hey!
[15:44] <skaet> :)
[15:44] <ara> skaet, I have a couple of questions related to the 10.04.2 activity
[15:44] <skaet> ?
[15:45] <ara> skaet, are you going to send the notes from the meeting on Friday at some point (the one with all the dates)
[15:45] <skaet> ara, yup its on my todo list for today.
[15:45] <ara> skaet, OK, cool, so we agreed that we are going to try to have the candidate image for 10.04.2 on the 28th
[15:46] <skaet> that matches my memory,  pitti ^^?
[15:47]  * skaet hmm,  doesn't see pitti on channel.
[15:47] <ara> skaet, yes, I think that was it
[15:47] <ara> skaet, another question :)
[15:48] <ara> skaet, as you know, the full cert is very time consuming, so, the automated testing on the really final image on the week of the 14th... is that really needed?
[15:48] <ara> I mean, we can try to do it if something changed that may affect HW, but that is very unlikely
[15:48] <ara> if only app things changed, that should be covered by QA and the ISO testing
[15:49] <ara> what are you expecting from that run'
[15:49] <ara> ?
[15:49] <ara> I mean, if
[15:49] <ara> I mean, we can run it, but if it is not going to catch any bugs, I don't see the point
[15:50] <skaet> I think we can reassess the week before, and look at what's changed and see if it is needed to do the automated tests again.
[15:51] <ara> skaet, sounds good
[15:51] <skaet> If nothing of substance has changed, there is not much point.   However, until we know what happens over next couple of weeks,  seems prudent to reserve the capability.
[15:52] <ara> skaet, it sounds like a plan. I mean, if no HW specific stuff has changed, there's no point in running the automated tests against all of our systems
[15:52] <ara> skaet, thanks for clarifying
[15:53] <skaet> ara, thanks for asking.  :)
[15:54]  * cjwatson builds a lucid DVD so that he has something to work with to test the business of installing an LTS backport kernel
[15:56] <cjwatson> gives me something to do while tediously rebasing 60-odd branches across an svn->git migration :-/
[15:57] <Laney> d-i?
[15:57] <ara> skaet, we can put a topic in the release meeting of the 11th Feb about whether the automated testing is needed or not, based on what has changed
[15:59] <skaet> ara, sure.  please remind me a little closer to the time if you don't see it on the actual agenda.
[15:59] <ara> skaet, will do
[16:01] <cjwatson> Laney: yeah
[16:02] <Laney> fun :-)
[16:02] <cjwatson> so far, I've completed a grand total of two
[16:03] <Laney> not quite as romantic as joeyh's blog post made it out, eh?
[16:06] <cjwatson> Laney: heh, it's more straightforward to do a single svn->git conversion than it is to rebase a set of long-lived branches on top of the results of that conversion, in general :)
[16:06] <cjwatson> 'bzr rebase-foreign' does most of it but I've had to hack it about a fair bit
[16:23] <ScottK> ara: Kernel is updated, so hardware specific stuff will have changed.
[16:24] <ara> ScottK, sorry?
[16:25] <ScottK> ara: You had a discussion with skaet a bit ago about if hardware specific things had changed for 10.04.2.  Given the kernel changes since release, I think it's a given that hardware specific changes have been made.
[16:26] <cjwatson> I think they meant changed between the cert run on the 28th Jan or so, and the week of the 14th Feb
[16:26] <ara> ScottK, we are talking about other stuff
[16:26] <ScottK> ara: Oh.  OK.  Nevermind me then.
[16:26] <cjwatson> rather than changed between 10.04.1 and 10.04.2
[16:26] <ara> :)
[16:26] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks.
[16:26] <ara> ScottK, no problem
[16:26] <ara> cjwatson, thanks


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[18:13] <rcp> leftyfb help monitor nagios alerts across 19 servers, react to alerts and rectify issues.
[18:13] <rcp> 24/7
[18:13] <leftyfb> rcp: that is a fulltime job. Try linkedin or monster.com
[18:13] <rcp> the client has Nagios setup but want to outsource the monitoring
[18:14] <rcp> yeah I am looking around.
[18:16] <sarnold> 24/7 might even be five or six full time jobs
[18:16] <leftyfb> yep
[18:48] <tomreyn> 24/7 IS >= 6 full timers
[18:48] <lotus|i5> $$
[18:48] <tomreyn> trying to save costs there means gambling
[18:49] <tomreyn> (and abusing workers)
[18:49] <lotus|i5> can manpower be cut down by tighten security somehow?
[18:50] <tomreyn> you can reduce response times and not do 24/7
[18:50] <lotus|i5> i see
[18:50] <tomreyn> you can set up more services in a HA configuration, reducing likelyness of service outages.
[18:50] <lotus|i5> rcp: ^
[18:51] <tomreyn> rcp is likely aware of these options if they manage 20 servers,
[18:52] <lotus|i5> lets hope :p


[05:43] <Guest2855> hOLA
[05:46] <Guest2855> Holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:48] <Charly1> Hola
[18:13] <hxrdpuser99> hello world ?


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[05:10] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: don't have to answer right now... With respect to -controls, COPYING in the root directory is GPL2 but the debian/copyright file says gpl2+
[05:10] <OvenWerks> teward: always feel free to ignor us for the next day
[05:11] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: which one is right? Or are they both? where one is just the text of gpl2 but gpl2+ is valid?
[05:13] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I am asking because I was going to include the files from https://github.com/jhernberg/udev-rtirq but I am noticing that it is gpl2.0 with no reference to later versions I can see
[05:13] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: the headers in the files say gpl2 +
[15:23] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: They're both valid. GPL2+ literally means GPL2.0, GPL2.1, etc.
[15:25] <Eickmeyer> If you include udev-rtirq, whatever is added needs to be a separate copyright stanza in debian/copyright.
[15:25] <Eickmeyer> That doesn't have to be put into /COPYING.
[15:25] <Eickmeyer> So, let me worry about that. :)
[15:26] <OvenWerks> Yes the original author needs to be credited for those files
[15:28] <OvenWerks> I haven't talked to him for a while so I can't remember if it grabs the internal audio as well on boot (I think so)
[15:31] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: also, you wanted to be able to set dummy channel quanity. Does that need to be different for playback/capture? or can they be the same? (one setting or two?)
[15:32] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: If you can make it different, that would be preferable.
[15:32] <Eickmeyer> If that's too hard, separate would be fine.
[15:33] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: any particular limit?
[15:34] <OvenWerks> 10 channels? 32? 128?
[15:35] <OvenWerks> I guess 8 covers any surround standard
[15:35] <Eickmeyer> 128 should be a hard limit. Is this going to be a manual input variable or are we looking at a menu?
[15:35] <Eickmeyer> I'm thinking mixers, not necessarily direct output.
[15:35] <Eickmeyer> Roundtripping channels.
[15:36] <OvenWerks> dummy outputs go to /dev/null effectively
[15:36] <OvenWerks> I'm not sure what you mean.
[15:36] <OvenWerks> what audio path do you envision?
[15:37] <OvenWerks> with dummy my limited imagination goes pulse->jack playback and vice vesa
[15:38] <Eickmeyer> Yes, I understand that, but my usecase is setting stuff up before going live. For instance, I'd have dummy set-up 32 channels, then later on, plug via USB to a 32-channel mixer which gives access to all 32 in/outs.
[15:39] <OvenWerks> Ah, that makes sense
[15:39] <OvenWerks> I was going to use spinboxes
[15:39] <Eickmeyer> Most people would use dummy to pre-stage.
[15:41] <OvenWerks> should Istart at 1 ch or 2? everything else in here expects 2, but I think connecting pulse right to a non-existant playback_2 would just fail and not crash because it is an external program
[15:42] <OvenWerks> My one channel USB mic is ok.
[15:47] <Eickmeyer> I'd start at 1ch.
[15:48] <OvenWerks> Interesting: both alsa and dummy can have channel count, but they both use different command line flags :)
[15:49] <OvenWerks> So an alsa device can use fewer than all of it's channels.
[15:50] <OvenWerks> unfortunately, I would want 1,2,3,4,9,10 :P
[15:50] <OvenWerks> netone uses the same as alsa for channels.
[15:59] <OvenWerks> Anyway, it looks like we can set channel numbers for everything. I notice my man page does not mention firewire backend
[16:02] <Eickmeyer> Cool.


[11:28] <mort> is cloud-init really something I need when I just want to run a home server? Why is it so verbose with spamming SSH keys to my TTY?
[12:54] <rbasak> mort: on a server, people usually ssh in. Displaying the ssh key fingerprints allows that to be done securely.
[12:56] <rbasak> You don't *need* cloud-init on a home server, but if you're referring to Ubuntu then that way you get the same Ubuntu everywhere that behaves the same. You could strip it out, but then you'd be off-piste, have more difficulty obtaining support because others will find it harder to follow your configuration, and so on.
[12:57] <rbasak> Most people don't need most packages, but it's always a different set. Having the same set makes things like documentation more consistent, and therefore makes life easier for everyone.


[02:08] <carlitos> hello all can anyone tell me the command to search for channels (not /list | think its alis or something similar??)
[02:12] <carlitos> "/SQUERY ALIS HELP LIST" isnt working for me on hexchat
[02:13] <m4t>  /msg alis list *keyword*
[02:23] <carlitos> thank you
[02:23] <carlitos> cool man worked a treat thanks
[02:59] <cornjulio> any idea why macchanger not working in 18.04 as it did in other releases (I didnt have to ifdown the connection in other versions of ubuntu 17.10 and 16.04)
[03:00] <cornjulio> now running 18.04
[03:03] <m4t> idk
[03:03]  * m4t blames systemd
[03:03] <m4t> i'm half-kidding
[03:04] <m4t> maybe check https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MAC_address_spoofing#systemd-networkd, i think it is applicable to ubuntu as well
[03:16] <cornjulio> lols had a few issues with 18.04 so ur joke holds true in a few eg's at least; Stremio and my desktop nvidia card with default opensource drivers crashes entire system (old card though)
[03:16] <cornjulio> cheers re macchanger
[03:31] <cornjulio> any ideas why this output when running "sudo macchanger -r "interface" on 18.04 Mate
[03:31] <cornjulio> https://imgur.com/a/S3Fs9p1
[06:40] <mate|56983> hello
[12:00] <mate|5266> whats up linux fans :)
[17:51] <leaftype> so I tried changing my graphics driver (to Nvideo 390 metapackage), then the computer wanted to update (installing nvidea opengl/glx/egl/gles and vulkan libraries), and... it failed. And I can't revert back to any other driver.
[17:52] <leaftype> It displays "the package sytem is broken", and I tried running the recommended "apt-get install -f" , which does nothing
[17:52] <diogenes_> not apt-get but apt install -f
[17:53] <leaftype> I've also tried purging nvidia on tty1, which did nothing, I've tried installing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, which also did nothing
[17:53] <diogenes_> leaftype, how much time you already struggle with this?
[17:54] <leaftype> apt install -f has the same error "/var/cache/apt/archives/libnvidea-gl-390_390.48-0ubuntu3_i386.deb" and the same thing with amd64.deb
[17:55] <leaftype> (on my laptop, typing things out manually)
[17:55] <leaftype> diogenes_, about half an hour
[17:55] <leaftype> an hour if you count what started this, minecraft not working. btw, I can't uninstall that either. But one problem at a time.
[17:56] <diogenes_> leaftype, ok but just a remark, the re-installation process takes less than 15 minutes :)
[17:56] <diogenes_> and all the problems are gone
[17:56] <leaftype> reinstalling the the entire os? but... wouldn't I lose... everything?
[17:57] <diogenes_> leaftype, what everything?
[17:57] <leaftype> steam games is the biggest problem, and re-downloading and installing those would take like a week adn put me over a fake data cap AT&T imposes on dsl
[18:00] <diogenes_> leaftype, you can backed everything up on an external drive
[18:00] <diogenes_> and also how much time you're using linux?
[18:01] <leaftype> diogenes_, linux is my only os. I have a 2nd internal drive, though I'll need to set it up for... huh... backup doesn't see it for some reason.
[18:02] <leaftype> oh, I see why. I have a distro on that
[18:02] <diogenes_> leaftype, how much time you using linux?
[18:02] <leaftype> leaftype, I use it a few hours a day, everyday. It's my home computer
[18:03] <diogenes_> no i mean how many years of experience?
[18:03] <diogenes_> with linux
[18:04] <leaftype> oh, since... 2006
[18:04] <leaftype> I'm not a pro, but that's how long I've been using it
[18:07] <leaftype> tried going the IT route once, but its' a bit difficult to study with kids, and linuxacademy is very Red Hat oriented (which gave me quite a few problems on my laptop... lots of googling to make things work)
[18:07] <diogenes_> leaftype, in any case, running any operating system without a backup is like balancing on a tiny rope above the ground, so i'd advice you to make a backup (simply copying) the most important files and re-install.
[18:08] <leaftype> for steam, shoudl I just copy over the .steam folder?
[18:10] <diogenes_> leaftype, i don't use steam so i can't tel you for sure, ask in /j #steam
[18:12] <leaftype> other than reinstall, any other ways to go about this?
[18:13] <diogenes_> leaftype, there is a high probability that if you try other methods, you might end up with a broken system that you won't even be able to back up anything so think if it's worth it.
[18:16] <leaftype> diogenes_, will those methods teach me the hows and whys of my system? Even once I get a backup, we're still comparing the fix to a complete overwrite of the system
[19:23] <alkisg> leaftype: are you still having the issue?
[19:25] <alkisg> leaftype: btw, you may reinstall and keep /home so that you don't lose anything from steam. As soon as you reinstall steam after the OS reinstall, your games would be there if you keep home
[19:25] <alkisg> But of course just solving apt issues can be faster :)
[22:53] <leaftype> before I do something stupid - what are the dangers of removing diversions with dpkg-divert ?
[22:58] <m4t> leaftype: prolly depends on what it's for
[22:58] <m4t> if it's something you added yourself then it's fine
[22:58] <m4t> but something setup by an app automatically during install? sounds risky
[23:00] <leaftype> m4t, it's a graphics driver issue. I can't install (or uninstall) after switching to nvidia-390. The errors are both dpkig-divert: error: mismatch of package, cuased by nvidia-340
[23:00] <leaftype> typo, meant dpkg
[23:03] <m4t> purge nvidia-340?
[23:03] <m4t> taht should remove the diversion automatically
[23:03] <leaftype> gives me "nvidia-340' is not installed, so not removed
[23:04] <m4t> can you pastebin what you're seeing/doing?
[23:04] <leaftype> yeah, one sec
[23:05] <m4t> also can you pastebin dpkg -l|grep nvidia
[23:05] <m4t> and dpkg-divert --list
[23:05] <leaftype> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WBv7vzzfXR/ for purge attempt
[23:05] <leaftype> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mM4qhDFpWt/ for --fix-broken install attempt
[23:06] <leaftype> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nhjQsw8H8n/ for dpkg-divert --list
[23:06] <m4t> uhm so it's kinda fubar, what i would do is remove all of the nvidia stuff with dpkg and --force-all
[23:06] <m4t> then apt-get install nvidia-390 and company
[23:07] <m4t> it should be okay to do if you're already in X11
[23:07] <m4t> or if not then it doesn't matter right...
[23:08] <leaftype> any idea what's causing it? also, just "dpkg --force-all --remove nvidia* ?
[23:08] <m4t> i dunno, something got messed up with dependencies vs installed packages
[23:08] <m4t> did you upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 or something?
[23:09] <leaftype> and here is the grep you wanted https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2p8Wn9nn9R/
[23:09] <leaftype> if it matters
[23:09] <m4t> yeah
[23:09] <m4t> uhm
[23:10] <m4t> you could try to remove the diversion then apt-get install --reinstall libnvidia-gl-390
[23:10] <m4t> that might be enough to fix it
[23:11] <m4t> taking a look at your dpkg -l it seems like there's only an orphaned diversion hanging around breaking things
[23:12] <m4t> you can safely purge nvidia-384 nvidia-opencl-icd-340 nvidia-opencl-icd-384 i think afterwards
[23:13] <m4t> or better....remove the diversion then apt-get -f install
[23:13] <m4t> it should run the preinst script again
[23:14] <leaftype> I'm trying to make sure I actually know what I'm typing, there are a lot of parts that I'm learning about for the firs time
[23:14] <m4t> yeah one sec.
[23:16] <m4t> i could probably write a one liner to remove those diversions
[23:17] <leaftype> so this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XVsfTRVVM4/
[23:18] <m4t> yes but for everything from nvidia-340
[23:18] <m4t> what happens if you do dpkg -P --force-all nvidia-340?
[23:18] <m4t> that might remove the diversions if the postrm script is still in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*nvidia-340*
[23:20] <leaftype> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vhxG4t3PBB/
[23:20] <m4t> yeah figured
[23:20] <m4t> OLDIFS="$IFS"; IFS=$'\n'; for diversion in $(dpkg-divert --list|grep nvidia-340|awk '{print $3}'); do echo "$diversion"; sudo dpkg-divert --test --remove $diversion; done; IFS=$OLDIFS
[23:21] <leaftype> woh, looks complicated. Copy and paste?
[23:21] <m4t> if it seems like the --test command is doing what you want then remove --test
[23:21] <m4t> yes
[23:21] <m4t> its just --test. it won't do anything...
[23:21] <m4t> IFS=$'\n' is just so bash splits by newline and not by space character
[23:22] <leaftype> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/C7ZpkHcQyV/
[23:22] <m4t> yes i would try that then sudo apt-get -f install
[23:22] <m4t> remove --test from the dpkg-divert part of it
[23:23] <m4t> but one sec
[23:23] <leaftype> already goin...
[23:23] <m4t> ah w/e
[23:23] <m4t> :)
[23:23] <leaftype> lol, should be fun
[23:23] <m4t> it wont make things worse
[23:23] <leaftype> it's doing more thant was :)
[23:24] <m4t> cool
[23:24] <leaftype> this was a problem some other people had on askubuntu (was looking around for awhile), so this could be really useful
[23:24] <leaftype> hey, no errors
[23:25] <m4t> cool
[23:25] <m4t> dpkg-divert --list might not show anything for nvidia now...it doesn't on my system
[23:26] <m4t> using 18.04/nvidia-390 but not from the ppa
[23:26] <leaftype> would that script for yup, that's what I was using
[23:26] <leaftype> or trying to
[23:27] <m4t> just curious, if you're on 18.04 why are you using ppa version of 390 instead of the bundled one in core distro?
[23:27] <m4t> just want to follow bleeding edge?
[23:28] <leaftype> This all started with me going to "additional drivers" and clicking on the one with the highest number - whcih was 390
[23:28] <m4t> hmm
[23:29] <m4t> it automatically added the ppa?!
[23:29] <leaftype> I tried doing the ppa version at some point to try to fix it, but the error was the same thing
[23:29] <m4t> oh
[23:29] <m4t> gotcha.
[23:29] <leaftype> it's been several hours of googling and asking and reading man pages
[23:29] <m4t> you might be able to ppa-purge and just roll back to the distro version of -390
[23:29] <m4t> less room for breakage in the future i think..
[23:30]  * m4t has used that ppa in the past
[23:31] <leaftype> earlier the only option I was given was "backup and reinstall", which is a bit more of a scorched earth tactic than I wanted
[23:31] <leaftype> so... ppa -purge?
[23:32] <m4t> ppa-purge is a separate app, dunno if it's installed by default
[23:32] <leaftype> nope
[23:32] <m4t> it just removes the specified ppa and packages from it, then rolls it back to distro
[23:34] <leaftype> your script, it would work for anyone that has the problem with this, right? : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1036629/broken-dependencies-after-trying-to-uninstall-nvidia-390
[23:34] <m4t> maybe
[23:35] <m4t> thats slightly different...trying to uninstall 390 vs install 390
[23:35] <m4t> i.e. not one size fits all
[23:36] <leaftype> I tried to do that at some point as well, I also tried to force naovoau (or however you spell it)
[23:36] <leaftype> and you know what started it all? trying to run minecraft for my kid. Eventually it was just "it works on the other computer, go play on that one"
[23:37] <leaftype> :)
[23:37] <m4t> lol
[23:37] <m4t> let's blame it on minecraft being owned by microsoft
[23:37] <leaftype> I'm sure tha'ts what it is
[23:37] <m4t> https://www.preining.info/blog/2018/06/microsofts-failed-attempt-on-debian-packaging/
[23:38] <leaftype> I'd put $10 a month on patreon for minetest if someone wante dto publish it
[23:38] <leaftype> polish*
[23:38] <leaftype> oh, tha'ts funny :)
[23:41] <leaftype> alright, now going back to additional drivers to see if...
[23:41] <leaftype> and it crashes
[23:42] <leaftype> try 2 - here we go
[23:43] <leaftype> says I'm on metapackage for nvidia-driver-390 (open source)
[23:43] <leaftype> restarting, see if that works
[23:49] <leaftype> and it works, thank you m4t
[23:49] <m4t> cool np


[12:52] <YoBoY> hi
[13:09] <belkinsa> Hey there, YoBoY.
[13:16] <locodir-user> Hi!
[13:16] <belkinsa> Hello there, do you need help?
[13:16] <locodir-user> belkinsa: Yeah! Thanks for asking
[13:17] <belkinsa> What is your issue?
[13:17] <locodir-user> belkinsa: I can speak german too
[13:17] <belkinsa> !de
[13:17] <ubot2> In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis!
[13:17] <locodir-user> belkinsa: Oh! It doesn`t matter.
[13:18] <locodir-user> belkinsa: My school is searching a system for making a server.
[13:18] <belkinsa> And?
[13:18] <locodir-user> belkinsa: And I think that Ubuntu is the right,
[13:18] <locodir-user> belkinsa: But there is one thing I do not know.
[13:19] <locodir-user> belkinsa: Can Ubuntu give datas to a Windows 7 System.
[13:19] <belkinsa> Please ask in the support channel, #ubuntu.  This is not a support channel for tech support this channel is for LoCo support.
[13:20] <locodir-user> Ah ok!
[13:20] <locodir-user> Thanks for your help.
[13:20] <belkinsa> Not a problem, and that's why I gave that !de command.


[08:53] <bluesabre> Spass_laptop: I haven't had any issues with Plank in disco
[08:54] <Spass_laptop> ok, so probably something on my side, it wasn't a fresh install
[09:37] <brainwash> bluesabre: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=12981
[09:38] <brainwash> maybe there should be a some clarification about this
[09:39] <brainwash> an upgrade may not pick up new changes
[19:56] <brainwash> ochosi: the buttons (back, forward, up, home) in thunar's top bar are smaller when using elementary-xfce-darker
[19:57] <brainwash> compared to -dark and regular elementary-xfce
[19:57] <brainwash> bug?
[19:57] <brainwash> smaller looks better
[20:00] <brainwash> noticed that after reading https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14449
[20:13] <ochosi> brainwash: oh right, hadn't noticed because i use -darker myself
[20:15] <ochosi> the reason is probably the additional size definitions in elementary-xfce over -darker
[20:15] <ochosi> MinSize=8
[20:15] <ochosi> MaxSize=512
[20:15] <ochosi> that's likely what leads to those icons adjusting in size
[20:17] <ochosi> feel free to test if you have time, i likely won't get to that tonight
[20:21] <brainwash> will try
[20:42] <brainwash> ochosi: indeed. removing the MinSize/MaxSize for [actions] makes the symbolic icons smaller.


[04:04] <trippeh_> ha ha ha restoring from backup is triggering anti ddos measures at a colo... breaking my restore
[06:21] <mahdi_ja> hi all
[06:22] <mahdi_ja> i have two netwrok and i want use ubuntu as router .
[06:22] <mahdi_ja> eth1 connect to external and eth0 internal network
[06:23] <mahdi_ja> i use these command for nat and forwarding
[06:23] <mahdi_ja>  Masquerade.
[06:23] <mahdi_ja> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
[06:23] <mahdi_ja> # fowarding
[06:23] <mahdi_ja> iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[06:23] <mahdi_ja> # Allow outgoing connections from the LAN side.
[06:23] <mahdi_ja> iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT
[06:24] <mahdi_ja> all things work correctly but what i do, if i want a computer in external network can access to internal network
[07:15] <m1dnight_> Is there a channel dedicated to duplicity? Or should I bother people here?
[07:23] <lordievader> mahdi_ja: You need to port-forward those to the right machines in the internal network.
[09:04] <zzarr> hello!
[09:05] <zzarr> is it possible to shrink the root partition on a LVM (Ubuntu 18.04 LVM2 with ext4 file system)
[09:06] <blackflow> zzarr: yes. first fs, then lv, then anything under it, if needed
[09:06] <_ruben> It's tricky, yet possible. But can't be done on a running system, as the filesystem needs to be unmounted to be shrunk.
[09:07] <blackflow> yah, has to be done offline
[09:07] <zzarr> I mean, without rebooting/accessing the machine physically
[09:07] <_ruben> That's pretty much a no-go
[09:08] <blackflow> if you're gonna do changes like this now, consider taking advantage of the situation and migrate to zfs or btrfs. they're pooled filesystems and problems like resizing "partitions" don't exist.
[09:08] <zzarr> hehe :)
[09:09] <zzarr> what about if it's possible to reboot, is it easier then?
[09:10] <zzarr> other whys I have to live with the size the root partition have
[09:10] <blackflow> zzarr: you can't resize root while the root is mounted and in use. so if you can stick a liveUSB there or reboot into a rescue mode somehow (maybe pxeboot, is this hosted?)
[09:11] <zzarr> it's not hosted, it's a physical machine at home
[09:11] <zzarr> guess I have to take a monitor and connect it when I come home (and keyboard)
[09:13] <_ruben> yup, you might be able to do some nasty bootstrapping tricks to boot a different environemnt on the same host, but hooking up a monitor & keyboard and boot from live cd/usb will be waaay easier and much safer :)
[09:14] <zzarr> it's not possible to resize ext4 online I suppose
[09:14] <blackflow> in theory, one can use initramfs if /boot is separate. install dropbear and have an initramfs hook to ssh into it before root is mounted.
[09:15] <blackflow> zzarr: you can try it. resize2fs /dev/sda2 <smaller byte size>    and you'll see it'll refuse
[09:15] <blackflow> (sda2 or whatever root is)
[09:15] <zzarr> I know, have tried that
[09:16] <blackflow> right. "online shrinking not supported"
[09:16] <_ruben> a logical volume called sda2, that'd be a nice way to make things confusing ;)
[09:16] <zzarr> what would happen if I resized the lvm partition to desired size then ran fsck on the partition?
[09:17] <zzarr> it's called /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv
[09:17] <zzarr> not so confusing
[09:18] <_ruben> zzarr: you'll likely end up restoring your system from backups :)
[09:19] <zzarr> have no backups (nether do I have anything important on the system)
[09:19] <zzarr> it's a newly installed system
[09:19] <_ruben> reinstall might even be fastest then
[09:20] <zzarr> I think I have to bite the apple and boot from USB
[09:21] <_ruben> if you're lucky it'll turn out to be a tasty apple
[09:24] <zzarr> I realize I need to take the server down in any way, I will install more RAM (it have 4GB now and it will have 12GB after installing more)
[09:25] <zzarr> is it possible to check if a machine have one or two physical DIMM's onboard (this question is for another machine)
[09:27] <_ruben> dmidecode might be able to figure that out
[09:28] <zzarr> thanks
[09:28] <zzarr> bbl
[09:30] <blackflow> _ruben: yeah :) 'twas just an example tho'. the user is expected to understand what they're doing especially when shrinking root.
[09:31] <_ruben> blackflow: i know :)
[10:24] <zzarr> I'm back
[10:25] <zzarr> I have thought about the situation I have, and realized that a 60GB root might not be entirely bad
[10:26] <zzarr> is it possible to cache a repository?
[11:14] <ahasenack> good morning
[13:40] <ahasenack> kstenerud: did you miss my comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~kstenerud/ubuntu/+source/samba/+git/samba/+merge/356153 ?
[14:34] <muhaha> Is possible to use /etc/fstab.d/ to include files? I found this https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/62826/213389, but it does not work in Ubuntu 18.04. Thansk
[14:35] <blackflow> muhaha: why not use systemd .mount units? the fstab entries are converted to them anyway, via fstab generator
[14:35] <ahasenack> muhaha: it's not mentioned in the fstab manpage
[14:35] <blackflow> (that way you can have multiple files)
[14:36] <muhaha> blackflow: ah, I shoud learn more systemd.... like these timers and mounts... I will check it
[14:36] <jelly> muhaha: no linux distro I've even seen had support for a multiple files split fstab like that
[14:40] <muhaha> ah
[14:40] <muhaha> Where is stored generated .mount unit by fstab?
[14:41] <muhaha> ah, nvm /run/systemd/generator/
[14:44] <muhaha> but instead simple one liner I have to create multiline unit file and then execute daemon-reload; start; enable....
[14:46] <blackflow> write a script
[15:34] <plm> TJ-: Hey =D
[15:34] <plm> TJ-: How are you?
[15:46] <plm> TJ-: I have success doing 16.4 to 18.4. I used a app called pyinstaller to "compile" (generate just one binary) of my app.py python3.6 and put to real ARMv7 hardware. But I forgot about the glibc compatibilty :( Look the error:
[15:46] <plm> TJ-: /tmp/a # ./app
[15:46] <plm> [856] Error loading Python lib '/tmp/a/libpython3.6m.so.1.0': dlopen: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.25' not found (required by /tmp/a/libpython3.6m.so.1.0)
[15:54] <TJ-> plm: then you need to tell pyinstaller to create a static binary, not dynamically linked - if it is able to that
[15:55] <plm> TJ-: hmm, I will check that. BUt if supported, the binary will be bigger?
[15:55] <plm> TJ-:  actually dynamically linked is ~8MB
[15:57] <TJ-> plm: of course; because the static link needs to contain all the dynamically linked libraries
[15:59] <plm> TJ-: what do you think? double size?
[16:02] <TJ-> plm: I have no idea; it depends on how many libraries need to be linked in. Use "ldd /path/to/binary" to find out which libraries are required
[16:03] <plm> TJ-: all right. another solution is I back do 16.4 (i have this vm snapshot :) ) and try install the python3.6 there, where 16.4 has a older glibc.
[16:04] <plm> I will to try both options
[16:04] <plm> TJ-: root@deskdev-pi:/# ifconfig
[16:04] <plm> Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output.
[16:04] <plm> TJ-: ^ this I have in the 16.4 snapshot, not in the 18.4
[16:05] <plm> Was mounted the same way as 18.4
[16:05] <TJ-> plm: oh, I didn't read your error message correctly earlier. it has included the python3.6 lib but that required glibc 2.25! that's harder to solve
[16:05] <TJ-> plm: you could possibly work around that by creating a chroot on the target device and but that glibc library (and any others it depends on ) in the chroot with your application
[16:06] <TJ-> plm: or, you could build python3.6 locally (in a container) against the glibc version that is on the embedded device, so your application can include the python libs linked with the older glibc
[16:07] <plm> TJ-: you say, get older glibc and put in my 18.4 chroot? But how pyinstaller will know to use the older glibc?
[16:08] <TJ-> plm: no, I'm saying build python 3.6 in a container that has the same glibc version as is in the embedded device - that might be 16.04 or something else
[16:08] <TJ-> plm: do you *need* python 3.6 for your application ?
[16:09] <plm> TJ-: in this case, is better to use a crosscompile. But I would like a complete envinroment, to be possible install with easier process more packages, just with apt-get install, and/or pip
[16:09] <plm> TJ-: yes, minimal is 3.6
[17:10] <drkokandy>  t
[18:00] <plm> TJ-: works binary compatibility installting python 3.6 on 16.4 =D
[18:01] <plm> #ifconfig
[18:01] <plm> Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output.
[18:01] <plm> TJ-: I have this error when I do ifconfig on 16.4 in chroot. on 18.4 I have no errors on ifconfig. Any idea hoe to solve that?
[18:02] <jelly> bind-mount /proc into that chroot
[18:03] <jelly> or mount it manually inside, mount -t proc proc /proc
[18:05] <plm> jelly: trying.. :)
[18:11] <plm> jelly: all right :)
[18:12] <plm> how is possible, on ubuntu glibc is 2.23, and works on target where glibc is 2.18?
[18:19] <plm> TJ-: ^?
[19:15] <jbicha> hi, is it desired to have php7.3 available in cosmic universe? or should we remove it for this release
[19:38] <jbicha> ok I filed a removal bug. Could someone responsible for php comment on bug 1796753 ?
[19:48] <ahasenack> jbicha: thanks, we will talk about it tomorrow. Most are haveing a day off today
[19:48] <ahasenack> having*
[20:06] <ahasenack> I'm having a hard time creating the libvirt default network inside a vm in cosmic
[20:06] <ahasenack> virbr0
[20:06] <ahasenack> basically the logs show
[20:06] <ahasenack> Oct  8 19:59:37 maas-vm systemd-udevd[639]: Could not generate persistent MAC address for virbr0: No such file or directory
[20:06] <ahasenack> it seems to create virbr0-nic (note -nic) before:
[20:06] <ahasenack> Oct  8 19:59:37 maas-vm systemd-networkd[447]: virbr0-nic: Gained carrier
[20:07] <ahasenack> I wonder if the "no such file" error is about the nic name
[20:07] <ahasenack> or something deeper, like https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/3374
[20:11] <teward> jbicha: if we don't keep 7.3, i noticed a package bug that should be fixed it still lists a breaks: against a 7.2 package
[20:11] <teward> that should have a 7.3 equivalent but that may just be me having a brain fart :P
[20:13] <ahasenack> weird, it's iptables that is failing
[20:13] <ahasenack> # iptables -L
[20:13] <ahasenack> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
[20:13] <ahasenack> odd
[20:16]  * ahasenack installs the non-virtual kernel
[20:17] <ahasenack> heh
[20:21] <ahasenack> that was some wasted time
[20:38] <compdoc> congrats
[22:26] <plm> TJ-: hey, are you there?
[22:27] <plm> TJ-: I really will need to run that chroot in the VM, becouse I need to run services on it. Examples, I installed mysql on chroot, but the ip of chroot is the same of host. What is need to can boot correctaly on vm. I'm using 16.4 snapshot.
[22:46] <TJ-> plm: as I suggested last night, use an LXD container
[22:47] <TJ-> plm: See https://askubuntu.com/questions/816886/how-do-run-an-arm-lxd-container-on-my-intel-host#816887  -- it's the same process as for the chroot