[03:51] <sydney> afk,goodnight!!
[12:02] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:04] <brousch__> yes
[12:04] <brousch__> I have literally a van full of old electronics from home to recycle
[12:05] <rick_h_> morning
[12:05] <rick_h_> heh, one day I'll empty out the office and do the same thing
[12:05] <rick_h_> speaking of which anyone want a linksys e3200 or 400N router?
[12:06] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I might be interested in the e3200
[12:06] <rick_h_> cmaloney: cool, let me know and I can bring to CHC
[12:07] <cmaloney> kk
[12:07] <rick_h_> cmaloney: I think the wrt400N is 'faster' or something but don't recall the details
[12:08] <rick_h_> or not
[12:08] <cmaloney> I think the WRT400N doesn't have gigabit
[12:09] <rick_h_> yea, I guess that one's older
[12:09] <rick_h_> bigger numbers confused me on a monday, 4 v 3 :P
[12:09] <cmaloney> heh
[12:29] <mrgoodcat> hey all
[12:33] <brousch__> cmaloney: Here's your next router http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/22/1310257/eff-to-unveil-open-wireless-router-for-open-wireless-movement
[12:33] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/khwx2V - EFF To Unveil Open Wireless Router For Open Wireless Movement - Slashdot
[12:36] <cmaloney> brousch__: I love the idea of open wireless.
[12:52] <mrgoodcat> http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=30
[12:52] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/9xkGbL - Blitzortung.org – lightning map USA, Canada – thunderstorms and lightning strikes
[14:01] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[14:01] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Destruction and Bliss by Sybreed on God Is an Automaton
[14:02]  * cmaloney loves the Bandcamp app for the Squeezebox
[14:02] <cmaloney> allows me to preview any album they have in their catalog
[14:02] <cmaloney> search is a bit wonky, but it works otherwise.
[14:10] <trevlar> anybody here use both absolute and relative line numbers in vim? I had it working after waf introduced it to me a while ago but it seemed to have stopped working in one of the recent versions of vim
[14:19] <cmaloney> I just use absolute line numbers
[14:19] <cmaloney> Didn't care for relative line numbers
[14:20] <rick_h_> yea, never can get used to the jump by X and such. One day I'll get it and gain super powers
[14:20] <cmaloney> Oh totally. I can see the value in it, but I'm already ADD enough that it doesn't help to have something moving along the side of my editor
[14:23] <trevlar> yeah, I like relative numbers, but having a "0" on the current line is kind of pointless :/
[14:23] <cmaloney> Well, technically....
[14:23] <cmaloney> ;)
[14:24] <cmaloney> I wouldn't be surprised if there was a key-combo in vim that would use line 0 to mean the current line
[15:25] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[15:25] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - sunderverl by Chris Randall
[15:25] <cmaloney> New Chris Randall = A+
[15:47] <jrwren> really?
[15:47] <jrwren> what kind of music is it?
[15:47] <jrwren> i just guestimate the relative line numbers and then correct when I'm off :)
[15:48] <cmaloney> Micronaut-esque.
[15:48] <cmaloney> I think Chris Randall got tired of the Micronaut moniker. That and there's at least two other folks using it.
[15:48] <cmaloney> on bandcamp alone.
[15:49] <cmaloney> Which I think would be the equivalent of naming your band "Aerosmith". ;)
[15:49] <cmaloney> Because while Micronauts were a popular kids toy, Chris Randall really "owned" it. ;)
[16:07] <greg-g> cmaloney: "band's campout"?
[16:27] <cmaloney> greg-g: That's the one
[16:33]  * greg-g nods
[18:17] <mrgoodcat> i know you folks don't really care about ruby but you may find this interesting anyways http://lucaguidi.com/2014/06/23/introducing-lotus.html
[18:17] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Zt8zYx - Introducing Lotus — Luca Guidi
[18:17] <brousch__> I have Lotus on floppy disks
[18:18] <mrgoodcat> you what?
[18:18] <mrgoodcat> FTL for 4$ today on steam
[18:19] <brousch__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_1-2-3
[18:19] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/uR3B - Lotus 1-2-3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[18:21] <jrwren> i dont' care about ruby, but I am very interested in anything going on in that community.
[18:21] <mrgoodcat> latest stable release in 2002
[18:21] <mrgoodcat> thats cutting edge
[18:22] <jrwren> its a spreadsheet.  did resolver ever get opensourced?
[18:23] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: they are different lotuses
[18:23] <mrgoodcat> the one i posted was a recent release
[18:23] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: i meant 1-2-3 like brousch__ said.
[18:23] <mrgoodcat> just making sure
[18:25] <jrwren> resolverone is still for sale, not open source, but maybe freely licensed to an open source project. hrmf
[18:26] <cmaloney> Just so you can all share in my joy: My cat took her first poop in $newplace.
[18:26] <jrwren> gross
[18:26] <cmaloney> I have never been more happy to hear about cat shit in my life.
[18:26] <rick_h_> cmaloney: lmao
[18:27] <cmaloney> jrwren: Well, she was pretty scared
[18:29] <mrgoodcat> scared of the move?
[18:29] <jrwren> congrats!
[18:29] <mrgoodcat> my dog didn't even notice when we moved
[18:29] <mrgoodcat> the couch smelled the same so she was like w/e
[18:29] <mrgoodcat> i guess we live here now
[18:30] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: She doesn't like the basement
[18:30] <brousch__> cmaloney: You need to make sure it smells normal. An off-odor in cat feces can be a sign of stress or illness.  They just chose not to.
[19:20] <cmaloney> One theory is that cats are much smarter than dogs. The problem is they can't test this because cat's couldn't care less if you're happy or not with their performance.
[19:21] <mrgoodcat> fermi approximation cats and dogs are pretty much the same intelligence
[19:23] <cmaloney> Well, and the thought was that cats domesticated themselves, which explains why they couldn't care less about humans.
[19:23] <cmaloney> rather than canines being domesticated by humans.
[19:24] <cmaloney> Which they theorize is why there haven't been many studies done with cats.
[19:24] <cmaloney> It fits my worldview, ergo it must be true. :)
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> just like politics :)
[19:25] <cmaloney> Yep
[19:29] <mrgoodcat> hurf durf my opinions are correct and you should have them too
[20:04] <trevlar> speaking of cats, this is probably the best use of my raspberry pi yet
[20:04] <trevlar> https://s3.amazonaws.com/trevdev/Screen+Shot+2014-06-23+at+4.01.25+PM.png
[20:04] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/G6qI7G - image/png
[20:12] <brousch__> trevlar: Catcam?
[20:12] <rick_h_> cmaloney: early CHC dinner this week?
[20:13] <trevlar> yep
[20:14] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Possibly.
[20:14] <rick_h_> cmaloney: k, let me know
[20:15] <cmaloney> rick_h_: will do


[02:10] <jhansonxi> derekv: I love netbooting LiveCD/DVDs so a distro change is only an <alt><sysrq><b> away.  Good for demoing DEs.
[02:11] <jhansonxi> I wish that distros other than Debian-based supported netbooting with NFS mounting.  Most just want the entire ISO dumped into initrd and served over TFTP.  Way too slow.
[03:40] <derekv> jhansonxi: virtualbox
[03:41] <jhansonxi> derekv: Netbooting also allows me to test distro compatibility with target hardware before installation.  Also good for repairs.
[11:26] <rick_h__> morning
[11:44] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:36] <jrwren> good mornin
[12:36] <snap-l> brousch: http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2012/09/18/vagrant.html <- I'm amused this is becoming more prevalent.
[12:37] <brousch> Yeah, I'm working with 3 OSX guys on viget.org, and they are pretty much dead in the water without vagrant
[12:37] <brousch> It took another guy a full day to get postgis working on OSX for use with a Ruby project
[12:38] <rick_h__> hmm, no mention of homebrew
[12:38] <brousch> In the comments
[12:38] <rick_h__> wonder if he missed the boat that things moved on to there
[12:38] <brousch> The boat moves too often
[12:38] <rick_h__> yea
[12:38] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[12:38] <rick_h__> not that I disagree, if you want to do linux use linux
[12:38] <rick_h__> I've always said a mac is a shitty linux machine
[12:38] <brousch> It is
[12:39] <snap-l> And conversely Ubuntu can be a shitty mac.
[12:39] <snap-l> I'm just glad it's got everything I need
[12:40] <brousch> KDE makes it all good
[12:40] <snap-l> KDE makes it a shitty Windows machine. ;)
[12:40] <brousch> You can make your Ubuntu into a Mac or Windows with KDE
[12:41] <snap-l> brousch: I can make art from bull semen too, but I'm not about to try.
[12:42] <brousch> You should enter that in ArtPrize. You could with $250,000
[12:42] <snap-l> Already been done. (was re: Metallica's Load / Reload)
[12:43] <rick_h__> heh, I was going 'crap they changed the twitter ui...wtf' then loaded greader and I see the posts about it
[12:43] <snap-l> ?
[13:00] <snap-l> Woah.
[13:02] <snap-l> http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/18/dice-holdings-buys-slashdot-sourceforge-and-freecode-from-geeknet/
[13:04] <rick_h__> interesting, so totally thinkgeek or bust
[13:05] <snap-l> Yep
[13:05] <rick_h__> makes some sense I guess. "which of these is not like the others"
[13:05] <snap-l> They're focusing on the one that makes money
[13:05] <rick_h__> "The deal is bringing Dice a set of sites that are profitable and generating good revenues"
[13:05] <rick_h__> seems they all are :P
[13:05] <snap-l> *cough*
[13:07] <snap-l> Though I can forsee something like github / stack exchange careers coming to fruition sooner than later.
[13:07] <snap-l> link your SF.net code to your dice profile
[13:07] <rick_h__> yea, it makes some sense there I guess
[13:10] <snap-l> It's not as bad of a fit as some other companies I can think of
[13:10] <snap-l> but I'm wondering what it'll look like in a year.
[13:10] <snap-l> I finally deleted my Dice Profile because it was a douche magnet.
[13:16] <jcastro> probably because most tech recruiters are douches
[13:17] <rick_h__> sales people...can't stand sales people
[13:19] <jrwren> you guys are obviously not software devs. You can't make ubuntu into a mac at all, and when you make it a shitty windows machine, its really called wine.
[13:23] <snap-l> jrwren: You can make Ubuntu into a shitty mac machine, you just can't run XCode and develop iPhone apps on it. ;)
[13:24] <jrwren> we have different definitions of "mac machine"
[13:25] <jrwren> I'm not sure, but its going to be very difficult to make ubuntu use dyld as its loader.
[13:25] <rick_h__> hah
[13:26] <snap-l> Picky picky.
[13:27] <jrwren> as for that "use vagrant" I'm pretty sure I've built all of those in a virtualenv on osx.
[13:27] <jrwren> not sure what this guys deal is.
[13:27] <jrwren> dyld is just tip of the picture. there are many differences between mac and ubuntu.
[13:28] <jrwren> one can make ubuntu look like it has a mac veneer
[15:07] <brousch> bcrypt is the current best way to store passwords, right?
[15:08] <rick_h__> works for me
[15:15] <rick_h__> mitechie approved lol
[15:16] <brousch> The rick_h_ stamp of approval is always nice
[15:16] <brousch> I'm enabling bcrypt in django
[15:16] <brousch> Crap, now I lost the stamp
[15:17] <jrwren> any tips on finding a python generator ignored Runtime Exception
[15:18] <rick_h__> jrwren: what was the exact exception? recusion depth, generator exit?
[15:20] <snap-l> Just had a fire drill here
[15:20] <snap-l> That was fun
[15:21] <jrwren> generator i
[15:21] <jrwren> gnored GeneratorExit
[15:21] <jrwren> and the Traceback is entirely wrong AFAIK
[15:21] <rick_h__> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-August/068429.html
[15:21] <rick_h__> brings up something along those lines on how it's a bit crazy
[15:21] <jrwren> yes, i can google too :)
[15:21] <rick_h__> :P
[15:21] <jrwren> but do you have any advice on finding the root ?
[15:22] <rick_h__> but no, I don't hit that much
[15:37] <snap-l> OK, I find this comment somewhat hypocritical, considering where I'm reading it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4537930
[15:40] <jrwren> snap-l: agreed.
[15:41] <jrwren> the amazing thing to me is just how slow the death of slashdot has been
[15:48] <devinheitmueller> slashdot is still around?
[15:48] <devinheitmueller> ;-)
[15:48] <paultag> I love /.
[15:48] <brousch> I read about 1 article/day there
[15:48] <paultag> yeah, me too.
[15:50] <jrwren> i haven't read /. regularly in a long time, maybe even 10 yrs.
[15:50] <jrwren> does python not like nested exception blocks?
[15:50] <paultag> I read it about twice a day, quality is very much not great
[15:50] <paultag> jrwren: nah, it can handle that fine
[15:50] <brousch> I get it via RSS
[15:50] <jrwren> is socket.error somehow special?
[15:51] <paultag> jrwren: not that I know of, why?
[15:51] <jrwren> i've got a try: socket.close() /*which is causing a socket.error*/ except socket.error,e: #blah
[15:52] <jrwren> and the exception is still bubbling up, not being handled.
[15:52] <paultag> jrwren: except socket.error as e?
[15:52] <paultag> jrwren: and it looks alright here
[15:52] <paultag> do you have a small example?
[15:53] <jrwren> _cpwsgiserver.py from 2.2.1 :)
[15:53] <jrwren> so no, i dno't have a small example.
[15:53] <paultag> bleh :)
[15:53] <jrwren> exactly
[15:53] <paultag> it might be coming from somewhere else?
[15:53] <paultag> what's the traceback?
[15:53] <jrwren> I think so, because of a generator exception
[15:53] <jrwren> but now I'm triggering it without that Generator Exit Error
[15:54] <jrwren> it seems obvious what is happening to me, but I can't handle it.
[15:54] <jrwren> cherrypy wraps the socket with makefile and eventually calls close on that file wrapper
[15:54] <jrwren> which flushes and closes
[15:54] <jrwren> but the socket is already closed
[15:54] <jrwren> so sendall causes a socket.error
[15:55] <jrwren> so I try to catch socket.error, but nope!
[15:55] <jrwren> can't catch it.
[15:55] <jrwren> i want to play pokemon with socket.error but it won't play with me. #gotta catch 'em all
[15:55] <paultag> :)
[16:03] <jrwren> i almost want to say socket.py is buggy.
[16:03] <jrwren> i should look at 3k and see if it is different.
[16:06] <rick_h__> jrwren: they aren't monkey patching socket or anything are they?
[16:06] <rick_h__> greenlet/etc kind of stuff going on?
[16:06] <jrwren> i don't think so.
[16:06] <jrwren> nope, its a threaded server :(
[16:06] <jrwren> but they are using makefile, which is nice, but this close() funciton looks wrong
[16:07] <jrwren> indeed, 3k returns an entirely different beast.
[16:07] <jrwren> io.TextIOWrapper
[16:09] <jrwren> ugh, its changed a lot.
[16:09] <rick_h__> they reorged exceptions in 3
[16:09] <jrwren> but leads me to beleive it was changed for good reason and is a problem.
[16:09] <rick_h__> the whole oserror stuff is a mess in py2
[16:09] <jrwren> no no, not exceptions, socket.makefile()
[16:10] <jrwren> used to return a pure python file like object typeof _fileobject(object) in socket.py
[16:10] <jrwren> now it returns a io.TextIOWrapper
[16:10] <jrwren> which looks like a beast of C
[16:10] <jrwren> http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/3a880d640981/Lib/io.py
[16:10] <rick_h__> ah, must be to make it unicode happy?
[16:11] <jrwren> maybe fixes this close bug.
[16:11] <jrwren> I don't think it had unicode issues
[16:11] <jrwren> StringIO is unicode happy, even in 2.7, right?
[16:11] <rick_h__> I mean TextIOWrapper needed to make a unicode friendly io stream stuff
[16:11] <jrwren> but definitely gonna perform a lot beter with all those buffers implmeneted in C
[16:13] <jrwren> e.g.  http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/3a880d640981/Modules/_io/iobase.c#l180  this is different behavior than 2.7's _fileobject
[16:13] <jrwren> checks if it is closed before flushing and closing.
[16:15] <jrwren> its a funny thing that cpython. WAY more lines of code to make your code go faster!
[16:16] <paultag> that's often the case
[16:17] <jrwren> yeah, its even true in F# and ocaml.
[16:18] <rick_h__> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/102zyo/bazaar_on_the_slow_track/
[16:30] <jrwren> official GNU prject. now see, to me that is a turn off :)
[16:35] <jrwren> wow! "Launchpad and Bazaar have never really been meant as products in their own right, but more as facilities to build Ubuntu. "
[16:36] <paultag> I'm glad everyone's honest about that now
[16:36] <rick_h__> yea
[16:36] <jrwren> i read that as: "dont use bazaar for version control unless you are building ubuntu"
[16:36] <jrwren> not everyone, that is the Bazaar lead dev
[16:36] <paultag> s/unless you are building ubuntu//g
[16:36] <jrwren> lol.
[16:36] <jrwren> is there a git to bzr bridge?
[16:37] <paultag> yah, I think so
[16:37] <paultag> jelmer wrote python-dulwich
[16:37] <paultag> I think that was for playing between the two
[16:37] <rick_h__> not a great one
[16:37] <jrwren> launchpad is damned good. lp was github before github. it just stopped inovating and github took things to next level, IMO
[16:37] <paultag> rick_h__: it's an awesome name
[16:37] <paultag> rick_h__: mr. and mrs. git are from dulwich
[16:37] <rick_h__> bzr people hate git saying it's unintuitive
[16:37] <paultag> bollocks
[16:37] <rick_h__> but I've found bzr to be a mess
[16:37] <jrwren> bollocks
[16:37] <paultag> you just need to get into the right mindset, and understand how git works, don't treat it like svn
[16:38] <jrwren> it is unintuitive if you don't use your brain :)
[16:38] <paultag> e.g. don't learn push and pull first, learn about remotes and fetches
[16:38] <paultag> then it will become clear what a pull does
[16:38] <jrwren> paultag knows !
[16:38] <jrwren> and use the reflog!
[16:38] <jrwren> i used bzr and never saw the reflog AFAIK
[16:38] <jrwren> and if I did, it was no easy to use.
[16:38] <rick_h__> yea, too many people act like the reflog is like delving into the kernel source code
[16:38] <jrwren> in git it is easy to use.
[16:39] <paultag> git is easy to use
[16:39] <rick_h__> we had this discussion at the last CHC where someone said rebase was 'dangerous'
[16:39] <paultag> hahaha
[16:39] <paultag> oh lrody
[16:39] <jrwren> rofl.
[16:39] <paultag> lordy*
[16:39] <paultag> when you use --force like a dillweed
[16:39] <rick_h__> and I went off that it's just people don't use it, don't practice it, but with the reflog nothing's ever lost
[16:39] <jrwren> someone been reading the wrong writing and not thinking for themselves.
[16:39] <paultag> yeah
[16:39] <rick_h__> and then reflog was like this arcane library you had to travel up a mountain to get at
[16:40] <paultag> brb, foods and stuff.
[16:40] <rick_h__> so they want to pretend it's not there, therefor rebase is dangerous :/
[16:52] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems/comments/102iu2/ubuntus_boot_loader_menu_no_longer_mentions_linux/
[16:52] <snap-l> I wish the whole "Ubuntu is trying not to be Linux" meme would find a nice cozy fire to curl up and die in
[16:57] <greg-g> tempting http://www.indiegogo.com/iosafe
[16:59] <devinheitmueller> First they complain that it doesn't say "GNU"...  Now they complain that doesn't say "Linux"...
[16:59] <rick_h__> greg-g: yea, that's cool
[17:00] <greg-g> did someone complain that it no longer mentions linux? All I see is "fair enough" and a factual title
[17:00]  * greg-g thinks someone is a bit defensive
[17:00] <greg-g> ;)
[17:00] <snap-l> It was on fossworldproblems
[17:00] <greg-g> annnd?
[17:01] <greg-g> it's also in /r/Ubuntu
[17:05] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems/comments/zvf7a/nobody_ever_asks_me_what_distro_i_use/
[17:05] <jcastro> hahahaha
[17:05] <jcastro> that's awesome
[17:05] <jrwren> ANDROID DOES NOT MENTION LINUX!!!
[17:06] <rick_h__> android is not linux...it's a limited set of apis on top of linux and things that work on android don't work on linux
[17:06] <jrwren> rick_h__: LOL, you are fun.
[17:06] <rick_h__> :P
[17:06] <jrwren> BROCADE SWITCHES DOES NOT MENTION LINUX!!!
[17:06] <rick_h__> I'm just trying to get brousch going
[17:06] <jrwren> VMWare ESX DOES NOT MENTION LINUX!!!
[17:07] <rick_h__> he loves to say how everyone uses linux because they use android
[17:07] <jcastro> hah
[17:07] <jrwren> i love to say that too.
[17:07] <jcastro> I don't use linux, I use ubuntu
[17:07] <jcastro> which has linux in it
[17:07] <jrwren> forget linux on desktop, linux in your hand, and it did ubuntu bug #1 - no one runs palm or windows ce anymore. they run linux
[17:07] <jrwren> yeah, what jcastro said.
[17:08] <jrwren> i love ubuntu, but I don't like a lot of other linux. slackware or gentoo for instance don't help me as much as ubuntu, so I don't like them as much
[17:10] <paultag> jcastro: you run linux, that's your kernel. You have other stuff, sure, but that's like saying, "I'm not using an engine, I'm using a Ford!"
[17:10] <paultag> which is sorta true, but also sorta false.
[17:10] <paultag> not trying to get into some flame here, just sayn'
[17:11] <jrwren> i think you just proved his point.
[17:11] <paultag> perhaps.
[17:11] <jrwren> you use a computer and drive a car.
[17:11] <paultag> but I acknowledge the fact I have an engine
[17:11] <jrwren> when asked what kind of car, you don't say "2.0L 4 cyl" you say "ford focus"
[17:11] <jrwren> the engine is assumed
[17:11] <paultag> I do usually stuff the engine stuff too
[17:11] <paultag> because models have different engines, but I'm also a gearhead
[17:12] <jrwren> i don't, becusae I don't drive anything exciting.
[17:12] <paultag> I know i'm an exception, but saying you don't run linux is silly
[17:12] <rick_h__> I have a synaptic
[17:12] <jrwren> if I drove a CTSV, then, sure.
[17:12] <rick_h__> they made the trackpad I have...oh wait I have a thinkpad :P
[17:12] <rick_h__> which includes a samsung display, a synaptic pointing device, an intel ssd...
[17:19] <snap-l> Only people who are sponsored have to rattle off the list of things in their equipment
[17:19] <snap-l> Think: NASCAR
[17:19] <rick_h__> "Stallman inside!"
[17:19] <greg-g> man, you guys are still talking about this?
[17:20] <rick_h__> :P
[17:20] <paultag> bleh
[17:20] <rick_h__> too many good jokes in here
[17:20] <greg-g> I leave for 10 minutes and you can't handle yourselves ;)
[17:20] <snap-l> greg-g: no dead horse left inbeaten
[17:20] <snap-l> unbeaten
[17:20] <rick_h__> inbeaten! hah
[17:20] <snap-l> orbeanten
[17:21] <rick_h__> lmao Gnome Do for github! https://github.com/blog/1267-github-launch-page
[17:38] <krondor> oh man I need to stop reading comments about the diceholdings geeknet acquisitions
[17:38] <rick_h__> heh, saying anything good? I've not checked out the comments
[17:39] <krondor> no, they're just degressing into youtube style nonsense.   Full of brogrammers and sexist neckbeards.
[17:40] <rick_h__> ok, wtf is this about a patent infringment hosting github?
[17:40] <paultag> rick_h__: just saw that on LWN
[17:40] <paultag> the patents look silly, don't think it'll hold up
[17:41] <rick_h__> I can't figure out how this works...I mean...what's a host got to do with the patent of the software? http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/18/patent-complaint-filed-against-rackspace-for-hosting-github/
[17:41] <greg-g> paultag: famous last words
[17:41] <snap-l> I need to patent a method for turning oxygen and water into carbon dioxide,and sue everyone that breathes.
[17:41] <rick_h__> I'm trying to wade through the doc to find the 'patent' part
[17:41] <krondor> sigh brogrammers...  CC gets a share of the proceeds a la what EFF gets now.
[18:10] <greg-g> (and the creators obviously do as well, a la what they do now)
[18:14] <jhansonxi> They did have a movie in a previous bundle.  They sometimes include a full game music download for some games.
[18:15] <greg-g> yeah, I've seen that, but this is a specific idea, like it or no? :)
[18:15]  * greg-g is looking for fundraising methods for CC
[18:15] <greg-g> momma's gotta pay rent!
[18:16] <rick_h__> hah
[18:16] <snap-l> greg-g: Did you see the Double Dragon Neon soundtrack was released CC?
[18:16] <snap-l> I added it to the end of the latest OMC
[18:17] <jhansonxi> Music is kind of a crowded market.  I haven't heard much about the Severed Fifth/Liberate album (Jono Bacon's band).  I suspect that a free offering wasn't too successful at generating revenue.  Death Metal is a niche which doesn't help.
[18:18] <greg-g> so, again, the marketing arm behind Humble Bundle and CC for a pay-what-you-want collection of 5 or so albums: like it or not?
[18:21] <jhansonxi>  Depends on the albums.  I have a wide range of tastes but many people don't.  There's no shortage of bad music on the Internet.  I'm not against the HB/CC concept.
[18:26] <greg-g> ok, so a 0 then. got it.
[18:27] <greg-g> :)
[18:36] <paultag> so, who's down for some debian bug squashing at OLF?
[18:53] <jrwren> anyone know of jmeter alternatives?
[18:53] <snap-l> greg-g: They did a pay-waht-you-want for some non-CC music
[18:54] <snap-l> I was pretty non-plussed about it
[18:55] <snap-l> Problem is music is quite taste-specific
[18:55] <snap-l> I may never play half the games for the bundle, but I'll still buy it
[18:55] <snap-l> The music piece, I'll be more picky about
[18:55] <snap-l> I don't know why that is. ;P
[19:00] <rick_h__> https://twitter.com/alex_gaynor/status/248108457721475072 for brousch
[19:00] <jcastro> anyone going to OLF from MI?
[19:00] <rick_h__> snap-l: I think, maybe waldo
[19:01] <snap-l> I'm going
[19:01] <snap-l> along with JoDee.
[19:01] <jcastro> for the whole weekend?
[19:01] <snap-l> That's the plan.
[19:01] <snap-l> Driving down Friday, coming back Sunday
[19:02] <jcastro> I'm going down Fri but I can't stay, so will likely leave that night
[19:02] <snap-l> Oh, bugger.
[19:03] <greg-g> lamer
[19:04] <snap-l> Cards Against Humanity is back in stock
[19:04] <snap-l> and ordered.
[19:04] <rick_h__> oh yea?
[19:04] <rick_h__> cool, going to order for my neighbor
[19:04] <snap-l> Yep. Just snagged a copy, plus the expansions
[19:05] <rick_h__> meh, he can get the extensions
[19:05] <rick_h__> hah, snap-l beats the email
[19:15] <snap-l> Nah, I got the e-mail and then ordered. ;)
[19:15]  * snap-l is quick like that. ;)
[19:23] <brousch> There are extensions already?
[19:24] <rick_h__> two expansion packs with goodies in there
[19:27] <brousch> I haven't even played yet
[20:19] <greg-g> I give to you http://www.cipsum.com for your enjoyment
[20:20] <devinheitmueller> It's like the Dilbert Jargonator that came with the screensaver I had in 1998!
[20:21] <paultag> greg-g: i've been using http://hipsteripsum.me/ lately
[20:21] <paultag> http://hipsteripsum.me/?paras=4&type=hipster-latin
[20:21] <greg-g> paultag: nice :)
[20:21] <greg-g> devinheitmueller: :)
[20:25] <krondor> jcastro:  I'm going to olf
[20:25] <paultag> jcastro_: I'll be there, if you need someone to drink with.
[20:25]  * krondor hours late to the scrollback
[20:26] <jcastro_> paultag, excellent
[20:26] <paultag> jcastro: I'll be at the hyatt, i'll be coming in friday afternoon
[20:34] <jhansonxi> I'm thinking about attending OLF also.  Probably driving down Friday from Alpena and coming back Sunday morning.
[20:34] <paultag> if anyone wants to get down on some beersigning, I'll bring GPG slips
[20:39] <krondor> is there a good chrome plugin for gpg in gmail?
[20:40] <krondor> all I've seen is cr-gpg and it looks a bit rough (compared to firegpg)
[20:40] <jrwren> turns out that GeneratorExit error was a red herring
[20:40] <greg-g> krondor: it's call mutt :P
[20:40] <greg-g> s/call/called/ #grr
[20:41] <rick_h__> :)
[20:41] <jrwren> also turns out that if a client closes a socket on cherrypy 2.2.x, it leaks file handles
[20:43] <krondor> greg-g:  but then how will I read those pretty newegg newsletters
[20:46] <rick_h__> krondor: I usually do a v (select html file) <enter>
[20:46] <rick_h__> and it opens in chrome :)
[20:48] <krondor> I don't know, I really like the gmail ui though and if encouraging more CLI for me can only end badly.
[20:48] <krondor> next thing you know i'll be on gentoo again
[20:48] <rick_h__> hah, like a recovering addict
[20:51] <greg-g> haha, one taste of the stuff...
[20:52] <krondor> quitting time I'm out :)
[21:28] <jhansonxi> greg-g:  Not quite what you were thinking with HB/CC but similar: http://groupees.com/taproot
[21:44] <greg-g> jhansonxi: interesting, had not heard of that


[17:05] <Ongun> hi
[20:36] <Vladimiro> hi!
[20:36] <Vladimiro> what is this channel about?
[20:36] <Vladimiro> do you really have classes in here?
[20:37] <pleia2> Vladimiro: yes, check out the topic
[20:38] <cprofitt> Vladimiro, on occasion there are 'classes' held here on various subjects
[20:43] <Vladimiro> I see, can I ask you when there will be the next class and what's the subject
[20:43] <pleia2> nothing planned at the moment
[20:44] <cprofitt> pleia2, http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/6-00Fall-2007/Assignments/index.htm
[20:44] <cprofitt> MIT has open course ware
[20:44] <cprofitt> and we could leverage it...
[20:44] <pleia2> yeah, they offer some great stuff for free
[20:47] <pleia2> not obvious to me how it can be useful to us though
[20:47] <pleia2> I think the ubuntu training materials are much moreso
[20:48] <cprofitt> pleia2, well... if we want to teach Python then the link I sent you is pretty decent
[20:48] <cprofitt> we could modify some of it...
[20:48] <cprofitt> The activities are a decent set to work through


[00:08] <guestthor> Does anyong have a link to a set of intructions for installing wine on 12.04?
[00:09] <Debolaz> This is the 12.10 support channel, might get more response in #ubuntu :)
[00:10] <guestthor> ah thanks.
[00:14] <kayve> oh jee  RTFM stomache ache  https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[00:14] <kayve> ::fighting urge to play chess online::
[00:17] <kayve> Isn't it just in the Ubuntu Sofware Center?
[00:18] <Debolaz> Yes.
[00:18] <Debolaz> You may have noticed that a lot of software in the ubuntu software center are actually available on other places on the internet as well. :)
[00:18] <kayve> are you that guy with the 106% body fat?  {:)
[00:18] <Debolaz> Yes.
[00:19] <kayve> Ubuntu Software Center is like falling off a log.  It's a dang shame. Feels like using Uncle BIll.
[00:19] <kayve> oops.  that poor guy guestthor already left!  {:P
[00:19] <kayve> oh well.  {:)
[00:20] <kayve> so I found the actual manual now  https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/UserManual.html
[00:20] <kayve> avoided chess opened up Spider Solitaire  {:P  I'm such a bad boy.
[00:20] <kayve> Spider is interruptable, unlike chess.
[00:21] <kayve> 3 0 bullet chess lose on time
[00:21] <kayve> don't do the 2 0 or the 0 10
[00:21]  * Debolaz wish he had more memory on this machine so he could run EVE while doing other stuff.
[00:22] <kayve> surprisingly, I have 289G on this partition.  Guess I've been cutting down on the porn  {:P
[00:23] <kayve> oh oh faux pas?  {:P
[00:23] <kayve> OT
[00:24] <kayve> let's see.. now I have my Ubuntu iso, and the VB dingy from Oracle.
[00:24] <kayve> Wow.  Oracle.
[00:24] <kayve> Suddenly I am feeling somewhat different about things.
[00:28] <Debolaz> Why is that?
[00:28] <Daekdroom> Oracle isn't opensource friendly.
[00:28] <Debolaz> Oracle is one of the top 10 sponsors of development on the Linux kernel.
[00:29] <Debolaz> They do occasionally make very dumb choices in business, but that's their problem.
[00:32] <Debolaz> Open source projects Oracle maintains: VirtualBox, MySQL (And InnoDB), BTRFS, Berkeley DB, NetBeans, etc.
[00:33] <Debolaz> And they donated OpenOffice to Apache instead of just letting it rot.
[00:33] <Boohbah> now they need to buy postgres, db2, and sqlite
[00:33] <kayve> uh.. biscuit issues.  Can't find my reserve cardamom  {:(
[00:33] <Debolaz> So perhaps you could explain what you mean by Oracle not being open source friendly? :)
[00:34] <kayve> I didn't think I said that.
[00:34] <kayve> I just said I feel different about things
[00:34] <kayve> Wow. Oracle.  Kewl.  That's all.
[00:34] <Debolaz> Actually addressed to Daekdroom.
[00:34] <Debolaz> Sorry. :)
[00:34] <kayve> preheat is done and I can't find my cardamom  !  {:(
[00:43] <kayve> so what I need to figure out how to do is install my Ubuntu 12.04 iso onto my new Virtual Box.. I guess I have to start by creating disk partitions?
[00:44] <kayve> The Host is my Ubuntu running on my bare metal, right?
[00:45] <kayve> I guess I start from this chapter? https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html
[00:45] <kayve> I want to create a new "guest OS"
[00:45] <kayve> right?
[00:45] <Debolaz> Yes.
[00:46] <Debolaz> Host is referring to the system you are currently using. Guest is referring to the virtualized container.
[00:46] <kayve> oh wait.. but I need to get a virtual machine running first?
[00:50] <Debolaz> You probably want this: https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch01.html#gui-createvm
[00:56] <kayve> default 512MB good choice?
[00:58] <Debolaz> For just testing, then 512 MB is fine.
[00:58] <Debolaz> You can always increase it later if you want to.
[00:58] <Boohbah> it will work, increase it if you intend to do anything intensive
[00:58] <Boohbah> right
[00:59]  * Debolaz uses 1024 GB on his USB stick instance.
[01:00] <Debolaz> Even without swap, I never had a problem. So 512 MB should be just dandy for normal use.
[01:01] <Boohbah> Debolaz: dang that's a lot of RAM!
[01:02] <kayve> Oh shoot. what was that 512MB  I think I missed a word or two.  Now I feel like I don't want 8GB for hard disk on this thing.. do I need that much?
[01:02] <Debolaz> Btw, unrelated, Unity has a small bug if you run an encrypted filesystem without LVM on top. It shows the root filesystem as a button in the launcher.
[01:02] <Debolaz> kayve: 512MB is fine.
[01:06] <bjsnider> Debolaz, you have a 1tb usb stick?
[01:07] <Debolaz> bjsnider: No, but apparently I have 1 TB ram. :o
[01:08] <bjsnider> that would be a neat trick
[01:14] <kayve> 512MB was a different thing.  is that "virtual RAM?"  Now the default value is 8GB and I feel like reducing it.
[01:14] <kayve> I DO have 286GB free.. but .. heh  {:)
[01:15] <kayve> got distracted by Facebook  {:P
[01:15] <kayve> talking about the Karl Rove electoral college map
[01:16] <kayve> Rove has Obama 217 Romney 90 with uh.. bunch of yellow "undecideds"
[01:17] <kayve> I am terrible, huh?  How am I EVER going to work in this field  {:P
[01:18] <kayve> 73 Lean Obama 71 Lean Romney 87 toss up
[03:36] <Fudge> hi is 800kb too big to show someone my syslog, my machien locks up when i switch to a console, have modprobe speakup_soft start=1 and running espeakkup as root, think it could be pulse related
[03:58] <Boohbah> paste a part of the syslog
[03:58] <Boohbah> then install logrotate to keep your logs to a manageable size
[04:02] <Fudge> okey
[04:03] <Fudge> logrotate is already installed, ill grab a couple of lines
[04:10] <Fudge> Boohbah  which would be the best log to check, i cant find the lines in syslog now :$
[04:13] <Fudge> http://paste.ubuntu.com/981062/
[04:18] <Fudge> May 11 13:31:52 gigabyte kernel: [    4.853483] xhci_hcd 0000:02:00.0: ERROR: unexpected command completion code 0x11.
[04:18] <Fudge> May 11 13:31:52 gigabyte kernel: [    4.853487] usb 8-2: Not enough bandwidth for altsetting 0
[04:18] <Fudge> so this happens when I switch to tty1
[04:29] <Fudge> bbl :)
[05:25] <Fudge> bk
[05:32] <Fudge> Boohbah  did you have time to look
[05:32] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[05:32] <eagles0513875> i am getting constant random crashes on ubuntu 12.10 as well as 12.04 before of the kubuntu-plasma-shell on my netbook the paste bin is here http://pastebin.com/G7YN70Yk i asked in kde and they told me its kubuntu specific. can someone walk me through how to fix it?
[05:36] <Boohbah> Fudge: sorry, i don't have a 12.10 installation
[05:36] <Boohbah> perhaps i should get one
[05:38] <eagles0513875_> hey guys
[05:39] <eagles0513875_> i need some help fixing an issue with the kubuntu netbook plasma shell as its randomly crashing for me here is the back trace http://pastebin.com/G7YN70Yk
[05:56] <eagles0513875_> michwhat i mentioned in kubuntu devel is that a good place to get help to fix the issue
[05:57] <eagles0513875_> micahg: ^
[06:41] <Fudge> Boohbah  i find it very good, other than my not being able to switch to cli
[06:41] <Fudge> it may of course be something with my text to speech requeirements and that i ahd tried loading the speakup software modules speakup+soft start=1 with package espeakup to give me speech at the console
[10:28] <obelus> Quick question: At what point do the daily images become available?
[10:41] <chris|> obelus, what do you mean by "at what point"?
[10:42] <obelus> As in at what point in development, or what point in time.
[10:42] <obelus> I visited the website for dailies today and it had precise images
[10:43] <chris|> obelus, scroll down
[10:43] <obelus> I did
[10:43] <obelus> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ only has precise that I can see
[10:44] <chris|> try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[10:44] <obelus> Ah. Alright, I wonder why the alternate images aren't showing for quantal yet
[10:44] <obelus> Thanks though =)
[10:46] <chris|> you're welcome, and although alternate is not yet available as an image, there is always debootstrap :)
[11:03] <snadge> i just installed precise then dist upgraded to it :p
[11:06] <chris|> snadge, too easy :p
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:18] <wilee-nilee> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/  this is the quantal daily
[12:18] <wilee-nilee> but yeah no alternate yet
[15:18] <obelus> chris|: Hmm. Haven't tried using debootstrap before. I might try that now to see how I like it


[08:52] <Riddell> bon dia
[08:54] <soee> bienvenido
[08:59] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion calligra 2.8.5
[08:59] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1337756
[09:00] <soee> Riddell: the issue with ubiquity i mentioned yetserday is known ?
[09:02] <Riddell> soee: which one?
[09:02] <soee> Riddell: if language is change installer failes
[09:03] <soee> *utopic
[09:04] <Riddell> yeah that one is
[09:07] <Riddell> soee: although fixes welcome :)
[09:16] <soee> Riddell: also i tried yesterday plasma-next
[09:16] <soee> failed also :)
[09:17] <Riddell> blank screen you said?
[09:18] <soee> i was able to install it but than on login screen where the button with gui screen should be iv seen only small dot or something (like teh text was missing on the button) if itried to login it just stopped with wallpaper and cursor
[09:21] <Riddell> so probably just some stuff not installed
[09:21] <Riddell> I'll work on a meta package next week
[09:29]  * Riddell away until monday
[10:33] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:21] <sgclark> morning Riddell any plasma ready to work on?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you have a pbuilder hook for autopkgtests
[15:37] <yofel> shadeslayer: I have yours :P
[15:37] <yofel> which doesn't work most of the time because it crashes with an UnicodeDecode error
[15:37] <yofel> probably because the chroot has no locales configured
[15:40] <yofel> same hook that maxy linked to actually
[15:40] <shadeslayer> aha
[15:40] <shadeslayer> so yeah
[15:40] <shadeslayer> same error as me now
[15:40] <yofel> heh
[15:43]  * shadeslayer throws a rock at the router
[15:45] <shadeslayer> I've had to tether my phone to get internet today
[15:45] <shadeslayer> and it's extremely slow


[22:11] <shel3over> _amin_, read this www.wikihow.com/Get-a-Cloak-on-IRC
[22:13] <_amin_> salam, what is this about?
[22:13] <_amin_> shel3over
[22:15] <shel3over> _amin_, just read
[22:15] <shel3over> for ur own good
[22:15] <_amin_> yes it's to hide my IP on irc
[22:15] <_amin_> but what's the reason?


[12:58] <xnox> grabowji:  as far as I know, i had to always add certs to nssdb for chromium/chrome/edge manually.
[13:00] <xnox> grabowji:  i.e. by adding it to `certutil -d sql:$HOME/.pki/nssdb` i wonder if one could write a hook for update-ca-certificates to do that sort of thing. there are already hooks to generate java & .net certificates. I wonder if one more can be added to generate nss db too.
[13:16] <ahasenack> there is another way, using p11 or something like that
[13:16] <ahasenack> fedora does it
[13:17] <ahasenack> p11-kit?
[13:17] <ahasenack> but when snaps are involved, well, I defer to them then
[13:54] <xnox> ahasenack__:  i think p11-kit is auto-used for user certificates (i.e. like alioth / salsa smartcard login, etc) but not for CAs.
[13:54] <xnox> unless there is yet one more way to use p11-kit which i didn't know was possible.
[14:27] <EduGomezE> bdmurray: Hi! I'm working on WSL and wanted to see if I could change apport to redirect bugs to Github (to the Ubuntu/WSL repository). Does something similar exist anywhere?
[14:29] <EduGomezE> bdmurray: I have a bare-bones implementation; before ironing out the details I wanted to ask, in case someones has done this already.
[15:02] <bdmurray> EduGomezE: not that I know of and bdrung is taking over apport maintenance so you should coordinate with them
[15:02] <EduGomezE> ok thanks
[16:33] <sforshee> xnox: I've got some new wireless-regdb packages, LP #1980145. Not sure if you still want to handle those or if I should bug someone else
[16:42] <xnox> sforshee:  tah!
[20:54] <jawn-smith> vorlon: When you get a chance would you mind nudging golang-github-jackc-pgtype's binary package through the NEW queue?
[20:58] <vorlon> jawn-smith: accepted
[20:58] <jawn-smith> Thanks!


[08:30] <justCarakas> and freenode is back YEEY
[08:40] <dholbach> good morning
[10:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Systems Engineer Day! 😃
[10:19] <luca> hello there
[10:19] <luca> guys may i ask you some help on ubuntu touch porting and install?
[10:20] <luca> i successfully built an android system image + ubuntu/ folder with ubuntu customization
[10:22] <luca> now i'm stuck with the install, i now the official guide says to use rootstock-touch-install
[10:22] <luca> but i can't make it work, so i'd like to understand how it works...any help/suggestion?
[10:24] <jgdx> luca, hey, stick around or send an email to the mailing list if you don't get any help.
[10:24] <jgdx> it's quiet in here at these hours
[11:05] <guest123124> welp,webbrowser app crashes after 1 sec :( [1127/122329:ERROR:gl_surface_oxide_linux.cc(43)] GLSurfaceEGL::InitializeOneOff failed.
[11:22] <jibel> guest123124, can you be more specific? which phone, build number and it crashes when you do what exactly?
[11:22] <Niju> Hi guys, just wondering, on the BQ devices, with only 1gb ram, how do you find it with running many apps?
[11:36] <mcphail> Niju: only one app runs at a time. The OS suspends any app in the background. They can take a second or 2 to come back to life when you switch back
[13:06] <popey> Hm, just flashed a nexus 4 and I'm getting the chip with the "phone needs service centre" thing - not seen that before.. what am I doing wrong?
[13:06] <popey> john-mcaleely, ^
[13:15] <ogra_> davmor2, jibel,  should calendar syncing work in rc-proposed atm  ?
[13:15] <ogra_> (it doesnt since the backend changed for me)
[13:15] <ogra_> i even deleted and re-added my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>account
[13:17] <jibel> ogra_, I have no idea, I saw an update today but didn't install it yet.
[13:17] <jibel> popey, ^ do you know?
[13:17] <ogra_> jibel, well, it stopped for me a week ago or so
[13:17] <popey> it should, yes.
[13:17] <ogra_> (i think the backend was replaced)
[13:17] <popey> no
[13:17] <popey> it wasnt
[13:17] <ogra_> oh
[13:18] <popey> I tested syncing on my device before uploading to the store
[13:18] <ogra_> well, i cant syncv anymore *sniff*
[13:18] <popey> on rc proposed
[13:18] <popey> bug reports welcome
[13:18] <popey> with logs from .cache/upstart as usual
[13:18] <ogra_> it did start before todays update though ...
[13:18] <ogra_> definitely not related to the app
[13:18] <popey> well, either way, if syncing is broken then it's either the app or sync-monitor or eds, and we need a bug
[13:19] <ogra_> right
[13:31] <john-mcaleely> popey, not a clue
[13:32] <popey> Just realised my nexus 4 had android 5 on it
[13:32] <popey> guess I need to go backwards first!
[14:25] <robin-hero> Hey popey, could you help me how can I play Doom on my phone? :D
[14:25] <popey> haha
[14:30] <robin-hero> popey: ? :D
[14:37] <robin-hero> popey: I have another question too. :D I saw this screenshot: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-26-133326.png Is there a .click package for this version of Dekko? :D
[14:37] <popey> :D
[14:37] <popey> ask DanChapman, I'm sure he'd appreciate additional testing!
[14:41] <robin-hero> DanChapman: Hey Dan! I'd like to try out the latest dev version of Dekko. Could you give me a .click package? :)
[14:43] <DanChapman> robin-hero: Hey! errrm yeah. I don't have an up to date click handy right now. Let me just find a link to one I shared yesterday
[14:44] <robin-hero> Cool, thanks :)
[14:45] <DanChapman> robin-hero: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwhxYaiA7z1qOWh4M1dtei0wY0U/view?usp=sharing Be warned it isn't fully functional message reply's, forwards & attachments and some other little bits aren't working in that click.
[14:46] <robin-hero> Thanks, I'll test it on my test device, so it's not a problem. When do you release a new stable version? :)
[14:49] <DanChapman> robin-hero: well... as long as I have no more big surprises should be sunday or monday.
[14:50] <robin-hero> Awesome \o/ :)
[14:54] <robin-hero> DanChapman: Is it normal to everything is English? Because I use my phone with other language settings.
[14:55] <DanChapman> robin-hero: yes that's normal. There is no translations in that build.
[14:56] <robin-hero> Thanks :)
[14:56] <robin-hero> But I see a lot of new strings, which are not inclueded in the translation template on Launchpad, please updload a new version before release it :)
[15:07] <stakewinner00> in the bookmarks section of the web browser, if you slide your finger to the right, you can see the red button to delete the bookmark. You press it, but it does nothing.
[15:07] <stakewinner00> It only happens to me?
[15:08] <mcphail> stakewinner00: does it still do that? Think it was fixed in OTA7
[15:08] <jibel> ogra_, calendar sync works fine on latest rc-proposed + latest calendar
[15:09] <stakewinner00> yes, i'm in ota-8 now. Today I found that the bookmarks section don't work.
[15:09] <mcphail> stakewinner00: Not sure, then. Works for me now, and was supposed to be fixed from OTA7 onwards. When you swipe right, if you do a very long swipe (at least to middle of screen) then click the trash icon does it work?
[15:10] <ogra_> jibel, with your canonical account ?
[15:10] <jibel> stakewinner00, it's a known bug.
[15:10] <stakewinner00> it's a feature :D
[15:10] <jibel> ogra_, no my personal gmail account
[15:10] <ogra_> ah
[15:10] <mcphail> jibel: wasn'i it fixed already?
[15:10] <jibel> stakewinner00, bug 1515631
[15:10] <ogra_> hmm, half of my tabs in the browser have no handle and no close button
[15:10] <stakewinner00> mcphail, if i click the trash icon, it do nothing.
[15:11] <jibel> mcphail, still in progress apparently.
[15:11] <stakewinner00> well, you can go to the webpage and click the "star" and the bookmark gets removed
[15:12] <ogra_> oSoMoN, is that a known issue ? (no handles in some tabs in the browser)
[15:13] <mcphail> jibel: hmm. Think that may be a duplicate...
[15:13] <ogra_> they seem to get one after i opened the page once ...
[15:15] <jibel> mcphail, if you know a duplicate feel free to mark it so. The bug I mentioned has a branch attacheed and should land soon and it's clearly not fixed in rc-proposed
[15:15] <mcphail> jibel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1501668 looks as if I closed it (and perhaps closed it too early?)
[15:15] <oSoMoN> ogra_, nope, not a known issue, mind filing a bug with a screenshot?
[15:16] <jibel> mcphail, it looks very similar indeed, oSoMoN can tell if it is the same
[15:17] <jibel> oSoMoN, do you plan to land the fix for 1515631 for ota9?
[15:17] <mcphail> jibel: and I wondered if my bug was a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1486008 which is fix released
[15:18] <stakewinner00> also, today i was listen music and unpluged the headphones, the music stopped as expected, and the battery life got drastically reduced. I supose this is some bug in the music app...
[15:19] <stakewinner00> I'll search on the buglist and report it if necessary.
[15:19] <ahayzen> stakewinner00, bug 1518764
[15:19] <ahayzen> a few people have said this, i wonder if the previously fixed lifecycle stuff is broken
[15:20] <stakewinner00> also bug 1289804
[15:21] <ogra_> oSoMoN, hmm, i would, if i could actually figure out how to get a screenshot ... seems the screenshot function is broken
[15:22] <davmor2> stakewinner00: for the delete in browser it is a known issue being fixed currently
[15:22] <ahayzen> greyback, is there any chance, when you have a moment, you could check bug 1518764, it seems like the fix for bug 1423787 isn't working anymore as I've noticed the battery life being poor on my mako as well ?
[15:24] <Guest552342> i don't even
[15:24] <greyback> ahayzen: I'll give it a look, but music app is exempt from lifecycle management, so I've to trust that it behaves itself
[15:24] <ahayzen> greyback, i thought it was changed so that it was only exempt when audio was playing ?
[15:24] <ahayzen> as per that second bug
[15:26] <ahayzen> it seems that power is still used even when music isn't playing
[15:26]  * ahayzen hopes we can have a normal lifecycle soon with the work going on upstream to us :-)
[15:27] <greyback> ahayzen: which says to me music app, or something it uses is misbehaving. By misbehaving, I mean drawing frame unnecessarily, or not releasing its wakelock when it should
[15:27] <ahayzen> yeah, maybe all the changes in media-hub have caused it
[15:27] <greyback> not improbable
[15:27] <davmor2> ahayzen: just blame jhodapp and media-hub it's fine he has big shoulders ;)
[15:27] <ahayzen> davmor2, :-)
[15:28] <jhodapp> haha
[15:28] <jhodapp> do not blame, it's a bad habit
[15:28] <jhodapp> :)
[15:28] <ahayzen> only bzr blame ?
[15:28] <jhodapp> no blame
[15:29] <ahayzen> ;-)
[15:29] <jhodapp> greyback, ahayzen: did using music-app start chewing up more battery life recently?
[15:29] <ahayzen> jhodapp, OTA8
[15:30] <jhodapp> ok
[15:30] <ahayzen> once jhodapp fixes bug 1518160 music can have a normal app lifecycle anyway :-) hehe
[15:30] <jhodapp> yes indeed
[15:31] <ahayzen> jhodapp, but i wonder if the changes in mh are cause it to not release the wakelock as it thinks the audio is still playing or something
[15:31] <stakewinner00> Why the music app are not programmed in C++/qt?
[15:31] <ogra_> oSoMoN, bug 1520624
[15:31] <ahayzen> stakewinner00, there is no real reason to at the moment, we can do everything in QML
[15:32] <davmor2> ahayzen: see told you it was jhodapp fault, but no, he plays the no blame card, like I care, I'm QA, blame is what I do, after I break something ;)
[15:32] <stakewinner00> ahayzen, with qml/js it seems to be slow when loading list of songs for example.
[15:32] <ahayzen> stakewinner00, that's all done in the SDK c++ models though, if you mean the Songs tab ?
[15:33] <ahayzen> only the playlist songs view is loaded via JS
[15:33] <ahayzen> all the others we just pass the mediascanner2 model directly to the view
[15:33] <jhodapp> ahayzen, you can test that with the powerd-cli --list if you suspect that something might still have a system wakelock
[15:33] <jhodapp> davmor2, technically you owe me a beer since silo 9 landed without a single fix needed ;)
[15:33] <stakewinner00> I mean, I have a playlist with 600 songs, when i open it, I have to wait arround 4-5 seconds to load it
[15:33] <ahayzen> jhodapp, ok i'll look when i'm back home, at campus at the moment :-)
[15:34] <ahayzen> stakewinner00, yup agreed
[15:34]  * ahayzen wanted to use U1DB for that
[15:34] <ahayzen> but hopefully the media-hub save/load can do that instead when they are implemented/fixed
[15:35] <davmor2> jhodapp: Actually the silo got blocked even though it was all ahayzen fault :P  But to be fair we should all have a drink at some point anyhow :)
[15:35] <jhodapp> davmor2, cheers to that! :)
[15:35] <ahayzen> davmor2, i did say music was still WIP though :-P
[15:35] <oSoMoN> ogra_, thanks
[15:36] <stakewinner00> it's like atom vs sublime text, you have to take a coffee waiting to load it xD
[15:36] <davmor2> ahayzen: Indeed and it served the purpose it's just hard for an outsider to strip the two parts away from each other :)
[15:37] <jhodapp> stakewinner00, parts of that should be faster with the new music-app coming out with OTA9
[15:37] <jhodapp> as it'll be using the new media-hub background playlist
[15:37] <ahayzen> jhodapp, not the playlists list
[15:37] <jhodapp> ahayzen, right, that's why I said *parts* :)
[15:37] <ahayzen> jhodapp, that's all JS+localstorage horribleness
[15:38] <jhodapp> ahayzen, speaking of which, let me make sure load/save are on our team's backlog
[15:38] <ahayzen> jhodapp, bug 1510225
[15:39] <jhodapp> ahayzen, thanks, I'll add that link to the new story I just created
[15:40] <ahayzen> jhodapp, coolio, gtg and print stuff brb later o/
[15:40] <stakewinner00> i think that the 80% of the time i'm with the phone, i'm listening music. I'll be grateful of all improvements and fixes related to music app. :D
[15:40] <ahayzen> stakewinner00, we are working on it :-)
[15:40] <davmor2> jhodapp: if that story doesn't start "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away......" I'm not interested
[15:41] <jhodapp> stakewinner00, indeed, it's getting better and better
[16:37] <AbuDhar> hey guys :D
[16:37] <AbuDhar> how stable is ubuntu phone?
[16:39] <popey> AbuDhar, depends how you define "stable" :D
[18:02] <AbuDhar> popey: what will the next Ubuntu phone be? have they disclosed that?
[18:02] <popey> nope
[18:03] <AbuDhar> http://store.bq.com/gl/ this is the best one hardware wise so far?
[18:03] <AbuDhar> The Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition or this one?
[18:51] <Mikaela> Will it have dualband (ac)? It seemed that none of the current ones has it (and 4G was also missing?) and Ubuntu Touch seems to be the only good option if Jolla sinks.
[18:55] <ogra_> the MX4 has 4G
[19:07] <Mikaela> Nice
[19:24] <AbuDhar> yeah but it's sold out
[19:35] <Mikaela> :(
[19:39] <mac___> trying to port ubuntu touch on hd2, I have access to the system-data/var/log folder
[19:39] <mac___> i found in syslog i have " Could not get lights module"
[19:41] <mac___> a file name lightdm.log is present in system-data/var/log/lightdm.log folder, however I cannot open it.
[19:41] <mac___> Seems like no a txt file. How do I open logs for lightdm? Is there any special ways?
[19:53] <mac___> never mind
[21:28] <_Kai__> Don't know if there are any Touch devs in here but
[21:28] <_Kai__> had a little idea: in settings you could have options for 'traditional' and 'simplified' interfaces
[21:29] <_Kai__> traditional would be like android homescreens.   Simplified would be big buttons 'phone' 'messaging' 'email' 'maps' ext.
[21:29] <_Kai__> might help make it a bit more mainstream/easier to use for launch
[22:07] <tripleclones> jfyi Ubuntu Phone is the first item in the subject line of SitePoint Mobile newsletter
[22:08] <tripleclones> http://www.sitepoint.com/ux-principles-behind-ubuntu-phone/
[22:16] <dobey> _Kai__: thanks for the suggestion, but i don't think that will solve whatever problem it is you are trying to solve. :)
[22:16] <_Kai__> dobey: Simplified interface would probably be a lot easier to implement.  Basically had the idea since I setup an Android for my farther with a simplified launcher (6 big buttons and a 'notification centre' plus 'top contacts') which helped him use the smartphone :-D
[22:17] <_Kai__> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wiser.home&hl=en_GB
[22:18] <_Kai__> that's the one.   Lovely big easy to use buttons :) 100,000 - 500,000 installs too for this launcher so it is a feature that is not as niche as you'd think
[22:25] <dobey> i still don't know what problem that is trying to solve
[23:06] <_Kai__> dobey: usability for people less familiar with smartphones/gestures/difficulty seeing?
[23:06] <_Kai__> dobey: not a problem as much as a pretty good feature (you can see how many downloads the launchers get on Google Play)
[23:06] <_Kai__> not saying it should be a priorty, certainly not.  But it would be a useful feature for a mainstream launch :D
[23:07] <_Kai__> (when it hits carriers next year, if the dates we've been given are correct)