[09:07] <daftykins> hi all, known spammer of a shifty website link is back - username "wwwBUKOLAYcom"
[09:38] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu wwwBUKOLAYcom porn chat website in username, other channels have been spammed with this link from this user too
 je suis pede
[11:27] <bazhang> gone
[13:39] <Luyin> hi, I'd like to request a "meta" command for ubottu. Its purpose should be to inform someone about meta questions
[13:39] <Luyin> (with the hope that they might be avoided in the future ;)
[13:41] <Luyin> I can help/ do it myself if you point me into the appropriate direction.
[18:24] <k1l> after some usual alteregoa stuff on the beginning he is now actually  doing something helpful. i am surprised
[19:57] <bazhang> @random romulan HURD
[19:58] <IdleOne> jolantru bazhang
[19:58] <bazhang> kil jinxed it
[19:59] <IdleOne> alteregoa doesn't need help being a pain
[19:59] <IdleOne> but you may be right
[19:59] <IdleOne> I may be crazy
[19:59] <IdleOne> But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for
[20:00] <IdleOne> I even drove my motorcycle in the rain
[20:00]  * IdleOne collects himself
[22:36]  * valorie passes the pipe to IdleOne
[23:14] <IdleOne> valorie: pipe?
[23:15] <valorie> in thanks for the above ramble, which made me laugh
[23:29] <IdleOne> hehe, my pleasure


[22:13] <ianorlin> info juffed unstable
[22:13] <ianorlin> !info juffed unstable
[22:14] <ianorlin> !info juffed
[22:21] <phillw> hiyas ianorlin
[22:25] <ianorlin> hmm I have some bugs in juffed which is in the repos and was thinking that it had things to be text editior for lxqt
[22:40] <phillw> ianorlin: I'm not too sure who is co-ordinator of LXQt, but have suspicion. In the mean time, I know that Julien will never reply badly to a genuine request for information.
[22:44] <ianorlin> ah yeah they aren't confirmed
[22:46] <phillw> ianorlin: with 15.10 only on emergency bug fix mode, hopefully Julien can return to what will be available at 16.04 with LXQt as the LXDE one will be the LTS version.
[22:47] <phillw> My quiet concern is that we will finally lose the CD size image.... But, we did keep it for a while :)
[23:17] <hotarun> so if I want to test lubuntu with lxqt I should download the vivid image from http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/ ?
[23:32] <hotarun> so i just played a game of 2048 on lubuntu-next good stuff


[03:37] <starlord> hi
[03:37] <starlord> anyone there
[03:37] <Stanley00> starlord: hi
[03:38] <starlord> I need to install ubuntu on my android device will the android device brick
[03:39] <Stanley00> starlord: rarely, but it still can be bricked
[03:40] <starlord> how to avoid bricking
[03:42] <Stanley00> starlord: you can't, but it's rarely brick. You just need backup your data, and make sure you know how to unbrick (just in case)
[03:43] <starlord> ok thanks for help
[03:43] <Stanley00> starlord: welcome :3
[05:04] <Tims_Tech> goodmorning
[06:21] <sebsebseb> hi
[07:05] <torusJKL> jgdx: In the end I was able to upgrade to OTA-13 by flashing first the delta and afterwards the full OTA files.
[07:30] <torusJKL> Hi everyone. I have an odd behavior with the Location.
[07:31] <torusJKL> I'm using a Pro5 64GB chinese version and have GPS with anonymised Wi-Fi activated.
[07:31] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: right ok
[07:31] <torusJKL> The problem is that uNav, Here and Google maps (unofficial) sometimes work well and sometimes do not update the locatin at all.
[07:32] <torusJKL> How can I find out where the problem is?
[07:32] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: I see your from England like me, and not China,  well that's partly all so the Chiense can't spy on you, since you got a chinese version
[07:32] <sebsebseb> actsaully what did you mean by that more seriously
[07:32] <sebsebseb> chinese version?
[07:32] <sebsebseb> Yes Meizu is chinese, but you specifically put chinese
[07:32] <sebsebseb> version
[07:33] <torusJKL> I mean the Meizu Pro5 with $GB Ram and 64GB storage is not the international version.
[07:33] <sebsebseb> that probably won't matter much
[07:33] <torusJKL> It an only be bought as a chinese version.
[07:33] <sebsebseb> since  it should just detect location I guess via gps and wifi
[07:33] <torusJKL> I'm just mentioning it.
[07:33] <torusJKL> Because it is not the official Pro5 version.
[07:34] <sebsebseb> the Androdi version?
[07:34] <sebsebseb> was it the Android version?
[07:34] <torusJKL> Yes. Was Android. Not anymore.
[07:34] <sebsebseb> that you put ubuntu on yourself
[07:34] <sebsebseb> oh right ok
[07:34] <sebsebseb> hmm
[07:34] <sebsebseb> right well
[07:34] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: are you  also using ubuntu touch in well developer mode I guess
[07:35] <sebsebseb> I think I read some wehre that if putting it on the bq devices anyway oneself, sure it's ubuntu touch, but in developer  mode have to run it, and actsaully I think I read that can then have an issue with the here maps etc
[07:35] <sebsebseb> for some reason
[07:35] <sebsebseb> the gps  thing the maps the yeah
[07:35] <sebsebseb> I guess that could also apply to a Android pro 5 that put ubuntu on oneself then
[07:36] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: pretty sure I read some wehre that on bq anyway if what I put above, it mostly works, but can have a problem with hear maps
[07:36] <torusJKL> In my case the problem is also with uNav and Google maps.
[07:37] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: yeah it's probably to do with having the andorid version and putting ubuntu on it yourself, and something to do with that
[07:37] <torusJKL> Is there a way to know if GPS is working?
[07:37] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: if popey  was around for example though, I expect he could confirm if that's the case or not, with an offical ubuntu pro 5 edition
[07:38] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: I don't think many people here actually have the pro 5, but I know for a fact that popey does
[07:42] <torusJKL> sebsebseb: Thanks, maybe popey is coming online later. If you find where it is written please let me know.
[07:44] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: popey is usaully quite active in ubuntu channels
[07:44] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: plus he works for Canonical for quite a while now as well so
[07:44] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: however  it's not 9am yet, but soon, he may not be at work yet etc
[07:54] <torusJKL> sebsebseb: This looks very similar to my problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/location-service/+bug/1468020
[07:56] <popey> torusJKL: morning, wassup?
[07:56] <torusJKL> Good morning popey.
[07:56] <torusJKL> Trying to find out why my GPS does not work from time to time.
[07:56] <sebsebseb> on a pro 5, that had Android on it first
[07:58] <torusJKL> Yesterday I was driving with uNav and it worked well for a few minutes and then did not update anymore.
[07:58] <torusJKL> This was not the first time it happened.
[07:58] <torusJKL> And in such a case no other maps app will work anymore. Here, Google maps...
[07:59] <popey> Does it work if you power off the device (not reboot, but power off) for a while then power on?
[07:59] <torusJKL> I would need to try it.
[08:02] <torusJKL> Is there anything else I can do to de-bug it?
[08:02] <torusJKL> I saw in the above mentioned bug report something about gdb.
[08:04] <popey> Not my specialist subject, but I'd look for whatever goes on other gps related bugs
[08:06] <torusJKL> Do you experience GPS problems on your Pro5?
[08:12] <popey> torusJKL: I don't use it often enough to know
[08:14] <jgdx> torusJKL, glad to hear it
[08:15] <jgdx> torusJKL, I use it often and it's quite fast. Usually i'm connected to a wifi though
[08:17] <popey> Yeah, that also, I am rarely away from wifi (except today ironically)
[08:17] <jgdx> are you hiking popey
[08:18] <popey> hehe, no, in the london office :)
[08:20] <jgdx> :)
[08:20] <davmor2> torusJKL: currently gps isn't able to use cell towers for positioning so the agps works off of wifi and last known position, if you turn off wifi then you are left with gps only.  That can take up to 15 minutes to get a fix from a cold start
[08:21] <sebsebseb> popey: oh whilst your there, I guess find out why I haen't been conntacted properly about that loco pack then ?
[08:21] <popey> i will ask
[08:21] <sebsebseb> popey: did I even put an address in the form, I don't remember
[08:21] <torusJKL> davmor2: this could be the problem. I started GPS with Wifi and did not have any Wifi connection anymore once it stopped working.
[08:23] <davmor2> torusJKL: once it has a gps fix it should stay connected and track as expected
[08:23] <torusJKL> But does GPS still needs 15 minutes even if the initial position was with Wifi assitance?
[08:23] <sebsebseb> popey: ok thanks
[08:25] <davmor2> torusJKL: no with wifi assistance you should get a satellite fix in 5-30 seconds
[08:28] <duflu> sebsebseb: New name?
[08:31] <davmor2> duflu: no just on pc over tablet at a guess
[08:32] <torusJKL> davmor2: than this was not the problem. I had Wifi at the beginning and GPS was working for a few minutes.
[09:33] <KrisJace> there is no mor /userdata/system.img on my Ubuntu Phone, what happened to it?
[10:12] <tvoss> torusJKL: do you have wifi explicitly disabled?
[10:13] <torusJKL> tvoss: no, wifi is always on.
[10:14] <tvoss> torusJKL: okay, what device are you using? also: could you try to reboot the device, please?
[10:15] <torusJKL> tvoss: I'm using a Pro5. 64GB version.
[10:15] <torusJKL> Currently GPS works because I'm at home.
[10:15] <tvoss> hmmm, that's interesting
[10:15] <tvoss> torusJKL: where does it fail to work?
[10:23] <torusJKL> I can't say for certain. Never at home. It looked random till now. Most of the time after a few minutes.
[11:50] <tvoss> torusJKL: I will try to reproduce
[12:16] <torusJKL> tvoss: cool. Thanks.
[12:17] <torusJKL> tvoss: I will do more testing tomorrow on my way to work.
[12:33] <torusJKL> davmor2: Is cell tower A-GPS support planned?
[12:51] <davmor2> torusJKL: it was being looked into but was non-trivial to implement
[12:52] <torusJKL> davmor2: so for now it is not planned to be implemented? is there a henacement request I can follow to see the progress?
[12:53] <davmor2> torusJKL: not sure let me have a look
[12:58] <davmor2> torusJKL: try this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/location-service/+bug/1500039
[12:59] <torusJKL> Thanks.
[13:21] <Tims_Tech> hmm
[13:21] <Tims_Tech> so my device has 706 mb of ram
[13:21] <Tims_Tech> is it able to run ubuntu touch?
[13:31] <dobey> Tims_Tech: probably not very well, if you do get it booting
[13:31] <Tims_Tech> I can add swap
[13:31] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:31] <Tims_Tech> dobey, ^^ or is there any way to make it faster?
[13:32] <dobey> more actual RAM
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> lol
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> adding ram toa phone
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> to a**
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:32] <dobey> i'm guessing your phone is a single core CPU too
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> nope
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> quad core 1,2 ghz
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> ow sorry
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> I have 716 mb of RAM
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:33] <dobey> that is a very odd number
[13:33] <Tims_Tech> yes
[13:33] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> I have a odd phone lol
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> :p
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> tHE:
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> samsung galaxy core 2
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> We have CM11
[13:34] <davmor2> Tims_Tech: is that how much ram is in it or how much ram is free to the system
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> and CM12/CM13 is w.i.p
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> davmor2, :
[13:35] <Tims_Tech> oops
[13:35] <Tims_Tech> :
[13:35] <Tims_Tech> 768 MB is the actual RAM of the phone
[13:35] <Tims_Tech> so :P
[13:35] <Tims_Tech> is there any way of making it faster then>
[13:35] <Tims_Tech> ?
[13:36] <anpok> bq e4.5 does not have far more ram.. as long as you do not launch libreofficee..
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> lol ok
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> I will use it for gcc
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> and
[13:36] <anpok> eh
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> the launcher looks nice
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> :D
[13:36] <anpok> then maybe link the binary on a different host :)
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> I also LOVE the terminal
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> anpok, :P
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> maybe even metasploit
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> :D
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> I have nethunter on my phone rn
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> and metasploit runs fine
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> also
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> We have 4 gb of total memory
[13:38] <Tims_Tech> and I have a 32 gb SD card
[13:38] <Tims_Tech> so will that be a problem?
[13:38] <Tims_Tech> anpok, ? ^^ :P
[13:39] <Tims_Tech> davmor2, ^^ :P
[13:40] <davmor2> Tims_Tech: no idea sorry I was just confused by the number of megs of memory
[13:40] <Tims_Tech> 4 gb of storage
[13:40] <Tims_Tech> :p
[13:40] <jgdx> Tims_Tech, I think the image is <2GB
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> ow ok :P
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> and I can mount the sdcard
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> so :P
[13:41] <jgdx> but I guess /home on the sdcard?
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> possible
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> I can mount the whole / to my sdcard if I wanted
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> I need to mount it on the ext4 partition
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> but possible
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> :P
[14:45] <ra_phael> hi, I got a ota-13 on a nexus 4, and life battery that was quite bad before had become disastrous (half a day vs 1 day and half a week before), is it a know problem ? thanks
[14:54] <pmcgowan> ra_phael, there are some isolated reports, I would suggest opening a bug and attaching your syslog so we can check the suspend rates
[14:55] <pmcgowan> note that nexus4 has minimal support t this point
[15:07] <matv1> dobey I updated the empty clickstore bug for the BQ M10 that we discussed yesterday. I uploaded some logs.
[15:07] <matv1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1610740
[15:09] <matv1> dobey Maybe I should be bothering someone else instead but no one is assigned to the bug yet :)
[15:09] <dobey> matv1: can you try something else real quick?
[15:09] <matv1> dobey sure
[15:10] <dobey> matv1: open the terminal app and inside it run: U1_DEBUG=1 /usr/lib/*/unity-scopes/scoperunner "" /usr/lib/*/unity-scopes/clickstore/com.canonical.scopes.clickstore.ini
[15:11] <dobey> matv1: and then immediately refresh the store scope
[15:11] <dobey> matv1: it should print some more debugging info which might help
[15:12] <dobey> matv1: check the console output for "search, force_cache="
[15:13] <matv1> dobey sure gimme a minute or two
[15:19] <matv1> dobey that worked. after the command it returned all the apps in the store in the terminal and the clickstore scope refreshed itself immedeately
[15:19] <matv1> what just happened?
[15:20] <matv1> some kind of corrupt cache?
[15:21] <ra_phael> pmcgowan: ok thanks
[15:22] <dobey> matv1: no, i'm guessing it would have worked even if i didn't ask you to do that, just now. are you on a different network connection than previously?
[15:22] <matv1> the line you wanted is there. its says search, force_cache = false , conn status= 1
[15:23] <matv1> dobey yes i did change networks since I first saw this happen
[15:23] <dobey> right, i was expecting it to be true, based on your prevous logs, which suggested that connectivity api might have been saying there is no network
[15:24] <dobey> matv1: ok, i think it might be some weird network config issue on certain networks :-/
[15:24] <matv1> dobey ah. so clickstore itself was never to blaim?
[15:25] <dobey> matv1: well, beyond the general "scope UX is not nice when there's no network or no results" issue, it doesn't seem so
[15:26] <matv1> dobey so now what?
[15:26] <matv1> just leave the bug for now and see how often this occurs?
[15:27] <dobey> matv1: well seems the store is working ok for you. if you end up with the blank scope again, try the U1_DEBUG=1 command in terminal and add that log to the bug, from the network where it's failing
[15:28] <matv1> dobey ok thanks for your help!
[15:29] <dobey> np
[15:30] <dobey> now to get lunch
[15:53] <oftc_ftw> Hi everyone! I have a virtual machine (virtualbox) with current Ubuntu LTS and the Ubuntu SDK installed. IIRC there is/was an issue preventing the Ubuntu Phone emulator from running in a virtual machine. Is that correct? Is there anything I can do besides running Ubuntu SDK in a non-virtual environment?
[15:53] <oftc_ftw> Right now I only see a virtual black screen and the booting icon in the SDK is spinning forever.
[16:03] <oftc_ftw> well, after ages of booting it says "ready to use" but still only shows a black screen (i.e., black phone display).
[16:47] <dobey> oftc_ftw: why exactly are you running it in vbox?
[16:47] <oftc_ftw> dobey: because i don't run Ubuntu on my host and it seems to be the simplest way to install/run the sdk
[16:48] <oftc_ftw> my host is Arch Linux and the SDK is maintained only in a Ubuntu PPA apparently.
[16:48] <ogra_> there is work going on to deliver the SDK as a snap package
[16:49] <ogra_> that should solve it ;)
[16:49] <ogra_> (not sure where that stands though)
[16:49] <dobey> oftc_ftw: you might be able to run the emulator on the host instead; or under qemu/kvm to get better results
[16:50] <oftc_ftw> ok, so what you're suggesting is that there is indeed a problem when running the emulator in a virtual machine?
[16:51] <oftc_ftw> ogra_: sounds nice, never heard of snap before. seems to be like docker without the awful lot of work to get it running. :)
[16:52] <ogra_> yeah, there is an implementation for Arch somewhere in the arch repos
[16:52] <ogra_> but i dont know if the SDK team has the snap actually ready yet
[16:55] <oftc_ftw> ogra_: is there any website where i can see the progress of the snap "port"?
[16:58] <oftc_ftw> ogra_: i just found this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-ide/+bug/1598095
[16:58] <ogra_> oftc_ftw, nope, sorry ... it has been a while since i heard about it ... perhaps ask in #ubuntu-appp-devel where the SDK guys hang out
[16:58] <ogra_> err
[16:59] <ogra_> #ubuntu-app-devel
[16:59] <oftc_ftw> thanks ogra_ :)
[16:59] <ogra_> ah, zbenjamin is on it it seems
[17:06] <zbenjamin> ogra_: bzoltan looked into it
[17:06] <zbenjamin> ogra_: i think the main issue was to get to the LXD socket
[17:06] <zbenjamin> ogra_: there is no policy for lxd clients yet
[17:06] <ogra_> ah, that should be fixed soon, stgraber is actively working on the lxd snap
[17:07] <ogra_> should land the next days
[17:07] <ogra_> there was the lxd interface missing, that is there now
[17:07] <zbenjamin> ogra_: afaik he said he works on packaging lxd itself, but that will not yet make it possible for lxd clients to access the socket
[17:08] <ogra_> ah, not sure about that
[17:08] <zbenjamin> bzoltan would know the exact details
[17:08] <ogra_> yeah, but he seems afk today
[17:10] <zbenjamin> ogra_: seems he is in #ubuntu-devel. His quassel server had some problems a while ago , he probably did not rejoin all channels yet
[17:10] <ogra_> he should have used the snap :P
[17:10] <zbenjamin> ogra_: afaik he is running a precise server :D
[17:10]  * ogra_ is making that up, no idea if there is actually a quassel snap :P
[17:10] <ogra_> (i use bip)
[17:33] <ssweeny> both core and client snaps exist for quassel
[17:33]  * ssweeny is using them :)
[17:33] <ssweeny> wait, that's not right. I'm using the snapped client
[17:34] <ssweeny> now I'm not sure a snap of the core exists. Should be easy enough to make one
[17:34]  * mcphail has a quassel core .click for the phone, if anyone needs one :)
[17:38]  * ssweeny would be more interested in a .click for the client which actually lets you send messages
[17:38] <ssweeny> I couldn't get that to work with the client in the store
[17:40] <dobey> hmm
[17:40] <dobey> i wonder why this package is not in update_excuses yet, and there's no autopkgtests queued
[17:53] <mcphail> ssweeny: yes, I was hoping the client would work with my server
[17:55] <ssweeny> The touch client seems to work more-or-less fine except that I can't find a way to send a message
[17:56] <mcphail> ssweeny: yes. same problem here
[17:57] <ssweeny> the repo for it seems dead. I might fork it to add stuff like anchoring the text entry to the keyboard and making scrolling the list of channels work a little nicer
[17:58] <ssweeny> it would also be nice to get push support :)
[17:59] <mcphail> ssweeny: The server can run in the background, which avoids the need for pushes
[17:59] <ssweeny> ah, well I use a remote server for nice multi-device experience
[19:47] <jgdx> pete-woods, hey, could you point me to one libqtdbusmock test that fails? If you recall our discussion, I think I may have a fix for that
[21:27] <ra_phael> hmm where should I put a bug for power management in here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers ?
[21:36] <ra_phael> hmm ok
[22:42] <JanC> what's the state/plans for accessibility for e.g. (almost) blind people in UT currently?


[03:48] <NoklaM> o/
[15:25] <sakrecoer_> hi !
[15:25] <NoklaM> o/
[15:25] <sakrecoer_> i think i just assigned flocculant as reviewer for bug-1183096
[15:26] <sakrecoer_> hi NoklaM :)
[15:28] <NoklaM> How's it going sakrecoer_
[15:28] <NoklaM> ?
[15:28] <OvenWerks> bug #1183096
[15:31] <NoklaM> Spent half a night figuring out why the microphone wasn't working
[15:31] <OvenWerks> Hmm there is no link from the bug to the testcase.
[15:32] <NoklaM> Wasn't studios fault although before I realised what was wrong(loose cable) i reinstalled the system temporarly
[15:32] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: https://code.launchpad.net/~sakrecoer/ubuntu-manual-tests/bug-1183096/+linkbug
[15:33] <sakrecoer_> krytarik: where do i find the link to that page...
[15:34] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: "Link a bug report" on: https://code.launchpad.net/~sakrecoer/ubuntu-manual-tests/bug-1183096
[15:34] <NoklaM> sakrecoer_:  if you check your personal launchpad it's there also
[15:34] <NoklaM> linked in i think Code tab
[15:34] <sakrecoer_> ah :) of course :) :faceplaming myself:
[15:34] <sakrecoer_> thanks!
[15:34] <krytarik> Sure.
[15:35] <sakrecoer_> i followed this template to bzr prush: bzr push lp:~username/ubuntu-manual-tests/bug-BUGNO
[15:36] <NoklaM> yup that should do it
[15:36] <sakrecoer_> if i would do that again, but with a different /bug-BUGNO, will it create a new branch? or does bzr... understand the bugnumber?
[15:37] <sakrecoer_> since i had to link the bug from the testcase, i assume it will create a new branch if i change the bug-BUGNO?
[15:37] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: the bugnumber becomes the name of your personal package
[15:38] <OvenWerks> or directory in this case
[15:38] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: Funny commit log, btw. :P
[15:38] <sakrecoer_> why? :)
[15:39] <sakrecoer_> it is my first ever so i expect it to be funky :D
[15:39] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: Generally you'd want the commit messages to reflect the actual changes - and having them all the same doesn't particularly help. :P
[15:40] <OvenWerks> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sakrecoer/ubuntu-manual-tests/bug-1183096/files/head:/testcases/packages/Studio/ lists four test cases. scribuse is the only one with no number.
[15:41] <OvenWerks> Is that assigned later?
[15:41] <NoklaM> Yup after review OvenWerks
[15:41]  * OvenWerks thought that might be the case
[15:41] <NoklaM> OvenWerks:  mind if i pm you about silly stuff I meant to ask you the other day?
[15:41] <sakrecoer_> krytarik: ok, i'll keep it in mind for next one :)
[15:42] <OvenWerks> ok
[15:44] <sakrecoer_> krytarik: if i make a new manual testcase, should i push it to the same branch althought the LP bug has a different number?
[15:45] <sakrecoer_> or does it matter if i have one brnach for each manual testcase?
[15:46] <NoklaM> I'd work on one file at a time sakrecoer_  , personal experience with bzr, if you work on more then one it gets messy
[15:46] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: Well, since you follow "bzr push lp:~username/ubuntu-manual-tests/bug-BUGNO", it'll be a different one, of course.
[15:47] <sakrecoer_> ok... i feel like i missing some part of the required informartion...
[15:47] <krytarik> NoklaM: That's not true though.
[15:48] <sakrecoer_> NoklaM: that is confusing,... i need to make one file for each testcase... and if i have to wait for reviewm i will never get them done..
[15:49] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: That's why you push to different branches.
[15:49] <NoklaM> Last time i worked on 2 files with bzr it kept pushing commits to the 1st file where's the commit was 2nd file
[15:49] <sakrecoer_> krytarik: ok... i think i get it :)
[15:50] <krytarik> NoklaM: Because I think you did something wrong there. :P
[15:50] <NoklaM> krytarik: ofc i did something wrong hehe :P
[15:51] <sakrecoer_> butso its perfectly fine to have one new branch for each manual testcase, althought they all are going to end up in the same branch?
[15:52] <NoklaM> branch will be same ubuntu-manual-tests, but each one will have a seprate case
[15:54] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+code?field.lifecycle=MERGED&field.lifecycle-empty-marker=1&field.sort_by=by+most+interesting&field.sort_by-empty-marker=1
[15:54] <krytarik> Illustrates it very well.
[15:55] <sakrecoer_> ok :) now i feel my infor is integer again thanks! :)
[15:58] <krytarik> NoklaM: For example, this isn't right either: '<NoklaM> it's done by bzr commit -m "Text of what you did goes here" filename'.
[15:58] <NoklaM> Isn't it?
[16:00] <NoklaM> krytarik: I'm preaty sure i got it of one of the ubuntu websites
[16:00] <krytarik> NoklaM: In fact, that's how you messed it up. :D
[16:00] <NoklaM> D'oh
[16:01] <krytarik> → http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/user-reference/commit-help.html
[16:01] <NoklaM> cheers
[16:02] <sakrecoer_> hmm... i also did bzr commit -m "lazytext of what i did"
[16:04] <sakrecoer_> krytarik: what should be done instead?
[16:04] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: No, that's the right, more usual way.
[16:05] <sakrecoer_> krytarik: hmm... i can't see the difference with what NoklaM wrote...
[16:05] <krytarik> The file name specified.
[16:05] <krytarik> That limits the commit to just that one file.
[16:05] <sakrecoer_> aah! of course hah :) tahnks for your patience krytarik :)
[16:08] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: You're welcome, of course. :)
[16:16] <sakrecoer_> while writing a testcase for blender, some stuff didn't work...
[16:16] <sakrecoer_> krytarik: what should i do then? file a bug?
[16:17] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: Of course.
[16:17] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: best to do a bit of checking first. does ubuntu have the latest that debian has?
[16:18] <sakrecoer_> blender is crashing when choosing jack as sound engine...
[16:18] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: that is: should bug report be the bug itself or pulling in the newer blender
[16:18] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: jack is running?
[16:18] <sakrecoer_> yes
[16:19] <OvenWerks> That should not be new code...
[16:19] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: jack is running, touching any of the options in audio makes blender freeze-
[16:20] <OvenWerks> The jack API has not changed for a long time.
[16:24] <sakrecoer_> so what do you suggest i do?
[16:27]  * OvenWerks open blender
[16:27]  * OvenWerks is now lost :P
[16:27] <OvenWerks> I don't have a clue how to even find how to set audio in blender
[16:30] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: file>user preferences> system tab
[16:31] <NoklaM> i didn't even know blender had audio settings i always thought it only did 3d modeling and such
[16:32] <sakrecoer_> blender is the perfect "blend" between 3d studio max, finalcut, after effects, z-brush, and photoshop
[16:33] <NoklaM> Didn't know that wow
[16:33] <NoklaM> I used it once tho and got lost in the UI
[16:34] <OvenWerks> Ya the learning curve is high
[16:34] <sakrecoer_> check out this short made with it :) https://youtu.be/41hv2tW5Lc4
[16:34] <OvenWerks> I don't have enough of a use for it to go there.
[16:35] <NoklaM> Are those actors or CGI?
[16:35] <sakrecoer_> the difficult part is to learn to 3d terminology, and the 3d "thinking" the UI is very unique and scary at first, but very soon it becomes just aweseom
[16:35] <sakrecoer_> the actors are humans..
[16:35] <sakrecoer_> its the first openmovie whree they mix 3d with real images... its gotten even better now, that was back in 2012 and lots has happened...
[16:36] <sakrecoer_> did i mention how much i love blender ? :D
[16:37] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: it works! but you have to set blender to use JACK before jack is started :)
[16:37] <sakrecoer_> then save user settings, quit blender, start jack, open blender and set AV-sync
[16:38] <sakrecoer_> so feature, not bug :D
[16:38] <sakrecoer_> i wish all blender build would come with jack, turns blender into a great VSE with ardour for the audio part :)
[16:43] <NoklaM> sakrecoer_:  that was one weird short, i have no idea what I've just watched, but it looks like blender capabilities are just wow
[16:51] <sakrecoer_> NoklaM: yeah... the scenarios of the openmovies are not always very good... i think they work on it collectively a bit like surrealist used to do: cadaver exquis :)
[16:54] <sakrecoer_> wb NoklaM :)
[16:55] <sakrecoer_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exquisite_corpse this is what the openmovie scenario remind me of... sorry for OT..
[17:05] <krytarik> zequence: So, let's have an offtopic channel, too! :P
[17:06]  * sakrecoer_ puts on shamehat and walks over to corner
[17:06] <sakrecoer_> :)
[17:12] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: Like I indicated, no need to feel bad here. :)
[17:15] <sakrecoer_> krytarik: (^^,) thanks!
[17:19] <krytarik> zequence: Ftm, is there a particular reason why this one has the 's' mode?  ("This channel will not appear on channel lists or WHO or WHOIS output unless you are on it.")
[17:34] <OvenWerks> krytarik: becasue that way we don't get #ubuntustudio types of questions here
[17:35] <OvenWerks> or at least as many
[17:36] <krytarik> Heh.
[17:42] <krytarik> Ftm, we don't have so many in #xubuntu-devel and #lubuntu-devel either.
[17:43] <krytarik> (And they aren't set to be secret.)
[17:44] <OvenWerks> not my decision, Just a guess on my part as to why.
[20:16] <flocculant> sakrecoer_: thanks - seen your MPs - need a little bit of fixing then push again and I'll be happy
[20:17] <flocculant> as I say in comments any action is <dt> and the reaction <dd> :)
[21:22] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: Also, the Scribus file shouldn't be in your Blender branch.
[21:36] <sakrecoer_> flocculant: ok :) cool! so... if the scribus file shouldn't be in the blender branch, should i pull a new clone of ubuntu.manual-tests for each testcase?
[21:37] <sakrecoer_> krytarik:
[21:38] <sakrecoer_> how do i push the branch while ommitting all the other testcase files?
[21:49] <sakrecoer_> hmm... "bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~sakrecoer/ubuntu.manual/tests/bug-1183096/": : Cannot create branch at '/~sakrecoer/ubuntu.manual/tests/bug-1183096'
[21:49] <sakrecoer_> ah... osrry.. of course...
[21:52] <sakrecoer_> flocculant: i pushed the fixes, i hope that will make it... cant seem propose a merge, because the old one is still active..
[21:53] <sakrecoer_> (for scirbus) need to sleep, will look into the blender branche tomorrow...
[21:53] <sakrecoer_> thaks for your patience guys! read you soon!
[22:20] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: "should i pull a new clone of ubuntu.manual-tests for each testcase?" - Yes, but in this case, it's better to just remove the Scribus file and commit that.
[22:28] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: And with your latest push to the Scribus branch, you now mixed it up with Blender, too. :P
[22:29] <krytarik> Nvm, I see you reverted that.
[22:38] <krytarik> sakrecoer_: You didn't have to do a new MP either, btw.


[04:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:01] <lordievader[m]> Good morning
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader[m] xangua
[05:13] <xangua> Good midnight
[05:13] <lordievader[m]> Hey lotuspsychje, how are you?
[05:13] <Bashing-om> Good deeds done this day - 4 stars - but I be backing out now . I feel good !
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> have a nice night Bashing-om
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> great here lordievader[m] just wakeup
[05:22] <Bashing-om> I shall, as I leave it in good hands .
[06:01] <ducasse> good morning
[06:10] <lordievader[m]> Hey ducasse
[06:11] <lordievader[m]> How are you doing?
[06:17] <ducasse> hi lordievader[m], good thanks. you also, i hope?
[06:17] <lordievader[m]> Jup, sitting in the train.
[06:18] <ducasse> ah, on way to work?
[06:18] <lordievader[m]> Indeed
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> oh no..crazytux in da house!
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> he was banned ducasse ?
[06:29] <ducasse> yes, he was. now he's pm'ing me...
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> dont need this when waking up..
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> well well, that worked out fast :p
[06:31] <lordievader[m]> Have fun :p
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> tnx lordievader[m]
[06:32] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: "this is not fair" he said...
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> sometimes i think, do they really belief theirselfs?
[06:33] <ducasse> i can understand him, but i've told him how to get the ban lifted. but just coming in and lying to us when asked if the ban is lifted is not the way to go.
[06:34] <ducasse> and he _did_ lie about using ubuntu, why should we believe him now?
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats the whole point
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> cant support on fake facts
[06:37] <ducasse> well, well. let's hope the day gets better from here :)
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> 25 degrees here today, we might get out ducasse
[06:38] <ducasse> rain here, but it's kind of warm. tomorrow is our national holiday, if that's the right term.
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> oh?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> 17 of may?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> we have it at 21 of july
[06:39] <ducasse> yep, the day our constitution was signed.
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> will that do anything special in norways streets?
[06:40] <ducasse> parade etc. tons of people everywhere, no way in hell i'm going out ;)
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> we dont like the masses either..
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> but in many cases, ppl have the same ideas..lets all go to the sea today
[06:41] <ducasse> i can't stand crowds. my mother is bringing my sister's kids later in the week, going to some amusement rides etc.
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> how old are they?
[06:42] <ducasse> they'll be 3 and 8 this summer.
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-guest-sessions-login-disabled
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> nice
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1663157
[06:44] <ducasse> will there be an easy way to reenable it? guest session is good for debugging.
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> fixxed my 17.10 bug the other day also
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> DNSSEC=off did the trick
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> linked 3 duplicates to each other, and added the solve on all
[06:47] <ducasse> not sure if i'd call that a 'fix', but good work :)
[06:47] <ducasse> the problem goes away, sure, but you no longer have dnssec :)
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> reported in #ubuntu+1 and ubuntu-devel also
[06:48] <ducasse> i think the move to resolved came a bit early
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> this should have been solved already from previous existing bug
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> not sure why stuff like that can keep showing up on new releases
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1690605
[06:52] <ducasse> resolved has worked well for me, but issues in main lead me to think it might be a piece of junk...
[06:52] <ducasse> seems to break so easily
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1 guys
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> going to the sea
[10:18] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:18] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - has your cold gotten better?
[10:21] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse, somewhat, it's still hanging on, quite virulent, but I'll survive :-)
[10:22] <ducasse> good, hope you get well soon :)
[10:23] <BluesKaj> thanks ducasse, I'm sure I will
[10:27] <BluesKaj> wife is feeding me lots of vitamin C and lemon
[11:01] <oerheks> lightdm/systemd security flaw .... "Canonical has already pushed out a update that temporarily disables Ubuntu guest session logins (so if you noticed it was missing, that’s why)." http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-guest-sessions-login-disabled
[12:21] <akik_> oerheks: what does it mean for the guest session to be confined?
[12:22] <oerheks> akik_, due to a systemd bug, guest account is disabled temporary
[12:23] <oerheks> you *can* enable it again, if you need to, but it will be unsafe, well, unsafe if you know what to do
[12:23] <akik_> oerheks: i meant what does it mean that a guest session is confined or not?
[12:24] <akik_> is it something about seeing other resources of the system?
[12:24] <oerheks> confined - limited, but in this case disabled
[12:25] <oerheks> yes, access files and possibly other resources that they would not typically have access to
[12:25] <oerheks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2017/CVE-2017-8900.html
[16:01] <chatter29> hey guys
[16:01] <oerheks> nuts puzzle .... 800 mb is nice
[16:01] <chatter29> allah is doing
[16:01] <chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing
[16:01] <chatter29> to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[16:01] <oerheks> chatter29, bye
[16:02] <oerheks> we don't like slaves.


[00:41] <os2mac-phone> good afternoon. I just upgraded to Groovy and it appears the settings for wifi are not working. I'm trying to disable it and it won't disable. it also will not let me apply any settings changes for wifi. works fine on network settings just not wifi... any ideas?


[04:09]  * Fudge pokes head_victim
[04:12]  * head_victim falls over
[04:15] <Fudge> wow must be all this coffee
[04:16] <head_victim> hah in between mowing and washing the car, what can I do for you
[04:16] <Fudge> i was wondering if you know anything about setting up vpn's
[04:17] <Fudge> trying to find info, ive only ever used them once years ago on windows and i installed the client, my bro inlaw gave me the address to connect to and i can see the four computers across australia
[04:19] <Fudge> could, that is
[04:21] <head_victim> From memory that's built into network manager
[04:22] <Fudge> yes yo ucan connect to vpn's from there but does that have to go through some server as a gateway? guess ill keep googling round :d
[04:22] <head_victim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNClient
[04:23] <head_victim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNServer
[04:24] <Fudge> tks ill read those mate
[04:25] <head_victim> Yeah sorry it's not something I've looked into too hard before. Someone else in here might be able to chip in some more links but I'd start with those and start googling the stuff that didn't make sense :)
[04:26] <head_victim> OpenVPN looks like the thing to look into
[08:46] <gggs> why is /tmp a different colour in ls? what does that indicate?
[08:47] <head_victim> gggs: it's been aliased
[08:48] <gggs> aliased?
[08:51] <head_victim> type "alias" into a terminal and it will sho you what has been aliased for you by default
[08:51] <head_victim> They usually alias grepping and ls for some reason
[08:52] <gggs> actually I just figured it out; /tmp is on / and only has 4GB free, so I created a directory in /home with the same permissions, it seems any directory with 777 permissions gets a different colour...?!
[08:52] <head_victim> Possibly, if I ever use a terminal much I try to switch all that stuff off.
[08:52] <head_victim> I find it all annoying, but I'm a bit of a grumpy sort.
[08:53] <gggs> it's a blue fg/green bg
[08:53] <gggs> actually I like colour, makes things more readable
[08:53] <head_victim> I usually use white on black
[08:53] <head_victim> or light grey on black
[08:54] <gggs> same, it's easier to look at and doesn't light up the office
[09:28] <gggs> hey, did you know that when Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone in 1876, he already had three missed calls from CHUCK NORRIS
[09:31] <gggs> Chuck Norris also doesn't have a reflection; there is only one CHUCK NORRIS
[09:37] <gggs> haha, a cop once pulled over Chuck Norris... the cop was lucky to leave with a warning
[10:29] <gorilla> #
[10:29] <gorilla> Justin Beiber screeched like a high-pitched girl the time he saw Chuck Norris. His voice is still up there today
[10:33] <head_victim> gorilla: nice link there http://biebian.sourceforge.net/ I saw that the other day
[10:34] <gorilla> head_victim: that's so wrong :-)
[11:41] <gggs> head_victim: omg omg Justin Bieber Linux
[11:41] <head_victim> I'm more a hannah montana linux fan myself
[11:42] <gggs> sorry room, my new home is #justinbieberlinux-au
[11:43] <gggs> rofl
[12:39] <ikt> justin beiber
[13:27] <kaushal> Hi
[13:27] <kaushal> I have a specific case wherein I have two sources.list one is global and other is local so global is denied when i am in office and allowed once i am out of office so is there a way to switch it automatically meaning once in office point to local and out of office point to global is that possible ?
[13:46] <ikt> hmm
[13:47] <ikt> would be possible to setup a script
[13:47] <head_victim> Can you specify a sources.list in the apt-get command perhaps?
[13:55] <elky> you can put additional sources.list files in the sources.list.d directory.
[13:56] <elky> I don't know that'd override enough for apt to stop crying about the inaccessible ones though
[13:56] <elky> You're probably better off having a hosts file rewrite.
[13:59] <ikt> host file rewrite mmm
[14:01] <elky> yeah. in /etc/hosts have au.ubuntu.com (or whatever) pointed at the office domains. It's going to be a pain if this is a laptop that moves between in office and out of office, but if you have a vpn, it ought to be ok
[14:06] <elky> Regardless, it's easier to edit the hosts file and add or remove a # than copy sources lists around and potentially accidentally overwrite one of them
[14:08] <head_victim> Yeah I looked up some man pages, I was hoping you could use a flag to not use the default sources.list file but apparently that's not an option.
[14:14] <sagaci> http://paste.ubuntu.com/618307/ - doesn't look like an option
[14:15] <head_victim> Unless the config file is useful?
[14:24] <elky> the ideal thing would be to have the office reroute the requests for ubuntu repositories to their local versions
[14:24] <elky> rather than blindly dropping them
[14:26] <elky> this isn't something that apt has been designed for. make a feature request on their bugtracker maybe, but you'll need to use one of the options listed above until that happens anyway.
[16:10] <airtonix> why would you need something like that ?
[16:44] <ikt> which thing?


[00:37] <linux_> hey
[00:38] <linux_> hi
[02:37] <emadeddin_> hi
[02:37] <emadeddin_> How can I log in as root? I have a root password
[02:39] <krytarik> !root
 yes root
[02:41] <krytarik> Well, that is to indicate if you didn't do anything special, you only got the admin password of your regular user - with that you could do "sudo -i" though.
 I created the password via sudo passwd root
[02:42] <krytarik> Well, there you go then - enjoy it!
[02:43] <krytarik> (Entirely unsupported and unadvisable.)
[02:43] <emadeddin_> How do I log in? What is my username?
[02:45] <emadeddin_> I want to learn to login root
[02:46] <emadeddin_> I logged out the system, then what other users should I enter there?
[02:48] <emadeddin_> In Linux Mint, I had full access to the root folder by right-clicking.
[03:23] <guiverc> emadeddin_, you should login as root with a GUI, root login has potential problems, and when needed should be terminal only (using `sudo` to temporarily elevate permissions is safer).  Root using wayland for example is impossible (by design to increase security)
 How much swap for 16gb ram?
 @YesEyeCan, 4 gb
 Thanks
 how to restore KDE default settings
 ?
[06:02] <Dave[m]6> <IrcsomeBot "<DirhamTriyadi> ?"> well, in most panels of the settings app, at the bottom (left?) of each panel, you will see a "Restore Default Settings' button that restores the default setting for that particular panel
[06:04] <Dave[m]6> <guiverc "emadeddin_, you should login as "> if you need a longer-term access as root, you can open a terminal window and execute the command "sudo su". Then you'll be root until you type the command "exit"
 I'm getting  ```Executing grub-install /dev/nvme0n1 failed```
 When trying to install from USB
 And dualboot windows
[06:57] <Dave[m]6> it's difficult to help you with so little information..... do you manage to run a live session?
 Uh, it exited me
 i386-pc/normal.mod not found grub rescue
 Now I'm getting this
 I think I'll just nuke the entire drive
[07:02] <Dave[m]6> you don't usually need to nuke your Windows....
 How do I fix this then? It installed on my laptop but my PC just won't let it work
 First time I tried, it also failed installing. I can see grub menu but windows will not boot. I fixed that. Tried installing again, and this happened
[07:06] <Dave[m]6> <IrcsomeBot "<YesEyeCan> How do I fix this th"> Well, it's difficult to advise you with the information we have.... Do you manage to nun a live session from your usb stick without actually installing?
 Yes
[07:07] <Dave[m]6> ok, well that's a first achievement.... have you used kubuntu before?
 Yeah. I've installed it on my laptop no problem, dual booting windows
 But my PC that I build got these errors
[07:10] <Dave[m]6> is your Windows installation essential to you? Maybe you can install kubuntu, and manually partition your hard drive to leave space for Windaws , and then install Windows later...?
 Uh I can do that?
[07:12] <Dave[m]6> yes, during the Kubuntu installation process, you will get the option to manually partition your drive... you can create one partition for kubuntu and one partition forWindows
 Will I get any problems in the future if I do that? Since I'm not sure why Kubuntu is all of a sudden giving me these errors
[07:15] <Dave[m]6> in my experience, you won't have problems.... the only complication might be when you install windows, because after the Windows installation you might not see your grub menu (Windows is responsible for that) and then you will need to fix the grub ment (it can be done without too much trouble)
 Yeah I can fix the grub menu after windows updates
 https://askubuntu.com/questions/655011/windows-10-upgrade-kills-grub-and-boot-repair-doesnt-help
 This one right?
[07:19] <Dave[m]6> that way, you will have your kubuntu up and running...
 Alright thanks, I'll try that
[07:20] <Dave[m]6> well that post is long out of date, so things won't necessarily be like that....
[07:20] <Dave[m]6> things have advanced since then, and kubuntu/ubuntu is much more robust
 Any way to set up from Windows's own dual boot menu?
[07:21] <Dave[m]6> good luck, i might still be around later if you have questions/problems
[07:22] <Dave[m]6> not as far as i know, and i've installed Kubuntu/Windovs dual boot much more recently
[07:23] <Dave[m]6> King Windows doesn't do its own dual boot menu
[07:24] <Dave[m]6> you need to think about whether to configure your bios for uefi boot or legacy boot..... uefi boot can be more complicated but it's the only way to get Windows and Kubuntu both bootable at the same time, because Windows will only install under uefi boot
[07:26] <Dave[m]6> with the problems you were having so far, i'm tempted to think that it's your bios that needs proper configuring....
 I think I'm already under UEFI. I used RUFUS to install onto my USB and it did ask me to use MBR instead of GPT
[07:38] <Dave[m]6> check your bios setup by rebooting and pressing <F2>
[08:17] <darknesssfalls64> does anybody  know of a good  printer for kubuntu 20.04?
 @darknesssfalls64, HP of course
[08:18] <darknesssfalls64> where?
[08:18] <darknesssfalls64> amazon?
[08:25] <tuxakadjseb> HP from No Amazon or another GAFAM ;-)
[08:42] <dragon__> hi, i have line tearing problem
[08:42] <dragon__> on vlc wideo
[08:42] <dragon__> anyone have any idea how to solve the issue?
 Should I have installed EFI partition FIRST before all other partitions?
 Okay so apparently I should've done that first
[09:44] <perr-paranoic> Hi!
[10:23] <user|73892> I tried upgrading from kubuntu 18LTS to 20LTS. I got the "could not calculate the upgrade" error and I don't know what I need to do with ppa-purge now.
[10:26] <Maik> disable or remove the ppa's you added and perform the upgrade again
[10:35] <user|73892> do I have to purge the installed packages as well, or does disabling the repos in synaptic suffice?
 i upgraded to groovy , but i thought it would support Finger print Login , does any one know any package that supports FP rather than Fprint
[10:58] <user|69521> bonjour
[10:59] <user|69521> j'aimerais passer ma version 20.04.1 vers la 20.10 mais Discovery ne me propose pas cette mise a jour ... comment dois-je proceder ?
[11:13] <user|7793> hello
[11:17] <user|7793> i want to upgrade my 20.04.1 to 20.10
[11:18] <user|7793> nobody here ?
[11:27] <Dave[m]6> there are people here
[11:28] <Dave[m]6> <user|69521 "j'aimerais passer ma version 20."> executes la commande do-release-upgrade
 https://alshoja.medium.com/upgrade-ubuntu-to-20-10-groovy-9c19319bf318
 Here i wrote some in medium , hope it will help to upgrade
 Follow the steps , you can achieve the upgrade
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:37] <Guest86611> Hello, which is better, ubuntu or manjaro?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Guest86611, you're asking for an opinion in a Kubuntu support channel, what kind of amswer do you think you'll get here ? :-)
[11:40] <Maik> Guest86611: as always, it's a matter of personal taste, there is no better
[11:40] <BluesKaj> answer
[11:41] <Maik> Guest86611: try them both from a live usb session and then decide$
[11:42] <Maik> also, it's something that belongs in a offtopic channel since it's not a support related question
[11:42] <Guest86611> manjaro has constantly updated software packages
[11:42] <Guest86611> and there is no ubuntu
[11:42] <Maik> Guest86611: join #kubuntu-offtopic please
[11:43] <Maik> and continue there
[11:44] <Guest86611> but it does have snap packets for it
[11:44] <Guest86611> ok, thanks :)
 Okay I was wrong, the problem is still there
 After updating windows, I immediately get pushed to GRUB rescue
[13:15] <Guest81236> Ola
[13:17] <Guest81236> ola
[14:26] <Dave[m]6> <IrcsomeBot "<YesEyeCan> After updating windo"> i'm stuck.... stay logged in, maybe someone else will answer...
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/aLh06w7x/file_38201.jpg Hi, ever since I upgraded to 20.10 my plasma shell doesn't display some components. do you know how to solve this one?
 @Dave[m]6> <IrcsomeBot "<YesEyeCan> After updating windo", Hi dave, I fixed it. Made an ISO from a more recent windows version and everything installed perfectly
[15:04] <Dave[m]6> <IrcsomeBot "<YesEyeCan> @Dave[m]6> <IrcsomeB"> glad to hear you got past the problem.... so you have kubuntu and windows successfully booting on your system now?
[15:10] <franzopow[m]> I was trying to upgrade and I got an error
[15:10] <franzopow[m]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xZ6M2jbwzZ/
[15:10] <franzopow[m]> I upgraded from 20.04 to 20.10
[15:10] <franzopow[m]> can anyone help?
 @Dave[m]6> <IrcsomeBot "<YesEyeCan> @Dave[m]6> <IrcsomeB", Yeap. All is well again
[15:16] <Dave[m]6> <IrcsomeBot "<YesEyeCan> @Dave[m]6> <IrcsomeB"> Cool, enjoy ;-)
[15:30] <Dave[m]6> <franzopow[m] "can anyone help?"> sorry, i have to pass on that one.... did you make changes to your python over the past months? like install a new version from a ppa or something?
[15:32] <franzopow[m]> maybe... I installed some software using python 3
[15:33] <franzopow[m]> this is the sources list
[15:33] <franzopow[m]> https://termbin.com/l1c6
[15:40] <Dave[m]6> <franzopow[m] "https://termbin.com/l1c6"> i don't see any python-related ppa there.... how are you upgrading? have you tried just executing 'sudo do-release-upgrade' from the command line?
[15:42] <Dave[m]6> often, i like to keep my kubuntu disposable, by regularly backing up my data, and then i just do a fresh installation instead....
[15:42] <stryker> I like making my own distros w/ PinguyBuilder
[15:47] <franzopow[m]> <Dave[m]6 "often, i like to keep my kubuntu"> wow that woudl take a lot of time.. btw I am doing do-release-upgrade
[15:47] <Dave[m]6> ppa's can make it complicated to upgrade to a new version...
[15:47] <stryker[m]7> ?
[15:48] <Dave[m]6> <stryker "I like making my own distros w/ "> got a link for that? i'm curious
[15:49] <Dave[m]6> PinguyBuilder.... where do you get it?
[15:49] <stryker[m]7> https://sourceforge.net/projects/pinguy-os/files/ISO_Builder/
[15:49] <stryker[m]7> It's a fork of Remastersys
[15:49] <franzopow[m]> can the problem be in do-release-upgrade command?
[15:50] <Dave[m]6> <franzopow[m] "wow that woudl take a lot of tim"> in reality, it doesn't take so much more time than upgrading.... especially when you run into complications.... anyway, you're always supposed to back up your data regularly, right?
[15:50] <franzopow[m]> yes. I've done that luckily
[15:51] <Dave[m]6> i don't think so.... but using multiple ppa's can make the equation very complicated....
[15:52] <Dave[m]6> see the time you're spending now? ultimately, it could be simpler just to nuke and reinstall....
[15:52] <franzopow[m]> <Dave[m]6 "see the time you're spending now"> I would like to avoid that
[15:52] <BluesKaj> franzopow[m], sometimes new official releases don't respond to the sudo do-release-upgrade command without the -d flag
[15:52] <franzopow[m]> that was my approach always.
[15:53] <Dave[m]6> then you can go with your ppa's again.... if you're going to use ppa's, my policy is to stick with an LTS release...
[15:53] <franzopow[m]> <BluesKaj "franzopow, sometimes new officia"> because they are searching for LTS releases?
[15:53] <franzopow[m]> <Dave[m]6 "then you can go with your ppa's "> I could. Looks like this failed upgrade didn't harm my system
[15:53] <franzopow[m]> but I still have to restart it...
[15:54] <Dave[m]6> 😉 you might feel differently in a few hours....
[15:54] <BluesKaj> yes,franzopow[m] that too, switch to "normal" in discover upgrade settings
[15:54] <franzopow[m]> <BluesKaj "yes,franzopow that too, switch t"> I've done that. Otherwise I wasn't able to upgrade and get the error
[15:54] <franzopow[m]> <Dave[m]6 "😉 you might feel differently in"> damn
[15:55] <BluesKaj> franzopow[m], well, try sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[15:56] <Dave[m]6> <franzopow[m] "damn"> been there, seen it, felt the pain :-)
[15:57] <stryker[m]7> grrrr.... mozilla still hasn't verified ruffle
[16:01] <Dave[m]6> <stryker[m]7 "https://sourceforge.net/projects"> interesting...
[16:02] <franzopow[m]> @BluesKaj I've modified /etc/update-manager/release-upgrade already+
[16:02] <franzopow[m]> BluesKaj:
[16:20] <franzopow[m]> is that the same?
 So I logged into Kubuntu and realized the resolution is stuck at 800x640, no other options available in display settings
 Xrandr shows it as *default instead of HDMI
 I am using a 2070 Super GPU
 Already updated everything
 CPU is R5 3600 so no iGPU
 Anyone got an idea?
[17:15] <franzopow[m]> tried to launch the command with sudo
[17:15] <franzopow[m]> but I had no luck
[17:18] <franzopow[m]> btw the system didn't break
[17:20] <swift110> oh cool
[17:21] <franzopow[m]> yes but now I am in a limbo
[17:21] <franzopow[m]> and I don't know what to do..
[17:35] <franzopow[m]> why I haven't those old focal sources anymore?
[17:36] <franzopow[m]> I mean when I update I don't have the old sources anymore. Looks like it disabled them while trying to update to groovy
[17:36] <franzopow[m]> but I see that those are already enabled rn on sources.list
[17:54] <Wenz> hi
[18:09] <user|31016> Hi, is there a way to setup a wireless repeater with the network gui ?
[18:27] <Dave[m]6> <franzopow[m] "why I haven't those old focal so"> This is my guess: maybe because there is not a version compatible with 20.10? (So you'd have to wait a while until the developer catches up?)
[18:29] <franzopow[m]> I have no 20.10 right now
[18:29] <franzopow[m]> The update didn't work
[18:29] <franzopow[m]> So I am still stuck with 20.04
[22:01] <fahad-M> hello guys
[22:30] <fahad-M> i am running latest kubuntu and the bug was present in kubuntu 20.04 lts as well
[22:30] <fahad-M> the folder on desktop doesn't show files when this little arrow is pressed
[22:31]  * fahad-M uploaded an image: image.png (127KiB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/r0/download/kde.org/daa29a4e7dee5b4173a1da6b29e152ff79b6a3e3/image.png >
[22:31] <fahad-M> it just shows a blank page
 Who is using kubuntu 20.10


[22:02] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:03] <rick_h_> morning huwshimi
[22:03] <rick_h_> how goes?
[22:03] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Hey Rick, good thanks, how are you going?


[00:45] <rick_h_> what did I do now?
[00:46] <rick_h_> although usually I don't mind being blamed
[00:46] <gamerchick02> you got cmaloney stuck on mechanical keyboards and he got me stuck on them, so it rolls back to you getting me stuck on mechanical keyboards. :-P
[00:46] <gamerchick02> maybe it was that Razer that was on sale.
[02:29] <cmaloney> I now have a mad bomber scooting back and forth dropping bombs.
[02:44] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[03:12] <cmaloney> I hope this is the last time that I ever have to buy Windows.
[03:12] <cmaloney> Just activated a Windows 7 VM
[03:12] <cmaloney> $105 + tax.
[03:35] <greg-g> wow
[03:43] <cmaloney> greg-g: Yep
[03:58] <mrgoodcat> whats wrong with microcenter?
[04:08] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: you here? i have a question about this test?
[04:11] <mrgoodcat> guess not. i'll talk tomorrow i guess
[12:33] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: party party
[13:50] <cmaloney> Fuck. Day. Light. Saving. Time.
[13:59] <rick_h_> lol why?
[13:59] <rick_h_> did you have an 8am apt?
[14:28] <gamerchick02> agree. but this year is better for me for some odd reason? i don't know?
[14:29] <gamerchick02> i prefer it lighter in the morning. DST is a conspiracy for night people to make morning people mad. :-P
[16:36] <mrgoodcat> dst isn't so bad. and i say that as a morning person. don't have to drive to work with the sun in my eyes at least
[17:41] <gamerchick02> good point, mrgoodcat
[20:43] <derekv> someone should just fix the earths axis of rotation to be normal to the plane of the sun and any two points on earth orbit
[20:44] <gamerchick02> i'll tell Superman to get right on that.
[20:44] <rick_h_> heh, I mean how much mass could it take?
[20:44] <derekv> it should be done gently and carefully
[20:46] <derekv> otherwise we could just have the crust mantle all proper and the core still doing whatever it wants
[20:46] <derekv> i could see that leading to some problems somewhere
[20:48] <gamerchick02> yeah
[20:51] <derekv> wow this GSoC thing is nonstop
[20:51] <rick_h_> derekv: yes....yes it is
[20:54] <gamerchick02> i put a filter on to keep those out of my inbox
[20:55] <rick_h_> :P
[20:55] <rick_h_> fine, be that way and filter Bookie out of your life
[20:56] <gamerchick02> dude i filter to my computers label and i get to them when i get to them. pings my phone to heck when i don't. :-P
[20:56] <gamerchick02> like it was off the hook last week at work and i was like "what?!?!"
[21:05] <gamerchick02> also cmaloney and rick_h_ my fingers aren't as sore today. getting used to the MX Blacks. :)
[21:22] <derekv> I'm going to try to organize a lunch and learn for my coworkers on "What is functional programming"
[21:25] <derekv> where i explain monads as simply being monoids in the domain of applicative functors
[21:25] <derekv> just kidding.
[21:27] <derekv> plan to start with, everyone has already done it but we can focus on it a bit more, show using first class functions in java/javascript and how they can lead to clear, composibile, declaritive code etc
[21:28] <derekv> we can focus on it a bit more * for the purposes of learning about FP at least
[21:29] <rick_h_> cool, sounds like fun
[21:30] <derekv> then maybe spend the last 25% giving a glimse at what else there might be out there, and the advantages of learning a full blown FP
[21:30] <derekv> hoping to drum up enough interest to give future lunch and learns and have a handfull of people who want to go further and learn a language or implement some tool
[21:31] <derekv> also I have this selfish agenda of getting practice giving presentations
[21:32] <derekv> so i can get tix  to confrences =3
[21:32] <derekv> we'll see
[22:53] <ColonelPanic001> glad to see I'm not the only one noticing rick_h_'s mailing list exploding
[22:56] <derekv> me: hey where's the ipad?  hmm.. last time I used it, last night, i was playing an mp3 stream. OK yep, there it is, still streaming.
[22:57] <ColonelPanic001> once left music playing while I went to lunch, had taken off my headphones an hour or two before
[22:57] <ColonelPanic001> came back and had a new last.fm top artist
[22:58] <derekv> never used last.fm
[22:58] <derekv> left my phone in the car all day at work last week, it was playing podcasts the whole time without me
[22:59] <derekv> i felt rejected
[22:59] <derekv> i was like, did you have a good time, phone? did you have a good time without me playing podcasts?
[23:00] <derekv> Oh, nothing, I just thought that was something we did together.
[23:49] <derekv> any recommendation for a dynamic dns service I can use my own domain names with?
[23:49] <derekv> i think it'd be cool to pay a few bucks if it is a good company and it just works
[23:50] <derekv> the old one i used to use for years for free got bought and shut down and the new free one I found uses a nonstandard protocol and while the provide something in perl, it'd be nice to use something that just comes out of the package manager like ddclient