[14:13] <qw354> мм.. а почему тихо так
[14:13] <qw354> ?
[14:13] <zul> qw354: we speak english here
[14:13] <qw354> ok
[14:17] <huats> is there a step by step for merges ?
[14:17] <huats> or can anydody points out the big lines ? I've never done one.... and  I'd like too
[14:17] <huats> :-)
[14:18] <norsetto> zul: well, if you say so
[14:18] <norsetto> huats: pick up a merge and we will go through it together
[14:18] <huats> norsetto: ok
[14:19] <huats> norsetto: let's try to go for the gallery one
[14:20] <huats> if it is ok
[14:20] <norsetto> huats: you choose ... choose wisely though ;-)
[14:20] <kcotn> norsetto: i am intersted for  #155950 bug but i dont know what to do ??
[14:20] <huats> :*)
[14:21] <norsetto> kcotn: if that is the one I sponsors, there is already somebody working on it
[14:21] <huats> kcotn: I think it is too late
[14:21] <kcotn> norsetto: yes is this one
[14:22] <huats> norsetto: did I pick one with no pb at all ?
[14:22] <norsetto> kcotn: sorry about that, anyhow, you better check out the link I gave on my email first, to get an idea of what merges are and how to deal with them
[14:22] <norsetto> huats: don't worry, we will find a problem :-)
[14:23] <huats> :-)
[14:23] <huats> norsetto: but may be there is still something do with gallery ?
[14:23] <norsetto> huats: ok, so, what do you want to do, manual, mom or dad?
[14:23] <huats> norsetto: I have absolutly no opinion
[14:23] <bluekuja> amachu, do you wanna take care of Bug #156243?
[14:23] <huats> as being the tour guide, you can choose...
[14:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156243 in qtdmm "Merge qtdmm 0.8.10-1 from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156243
[14:24] <kcotn> norsetto: sure, i am reading these things now :)
[14:24] <norsetto> huats: ok, lets do mom now, shall we?
[14:24] <amachu> bluekuja: hi
[14:24] <amachu> yes
[14:24] <bluekuja> amachu, great, assign it yourself
[14:24] <huats> norsetto: go ahead
[14:25] <norsetto> huats: well, you know what a merge is?
[14:25] <huats> I think
[14:25] <huats> :-)
[14:25] <amachu> bluekuja: i just followed the doc
[14:25] <norsetto> huats: care to share?
[14:25] <amachu> and have few observations to make
[14:26] <huats> some patches/modifications has been done to a version, and an other upstream/debian appears that do not includes necesseraly these modifications, so it is needed to merge them
[14:27] <bluekuja> amachu, I guess you should start working on it, and ask me any question
[14:27] <norsetto> huats: ok, so, what do you think is the first thing to do, once grab-merge got all the needed stuff?
[14:27] <bluekuja> amachu, here or directly into the bug, so I can track your progres
[14:27] <amachu> ok...
[14:27] <huats> norsetto: in fact that was my first question : about grab-merge
[14:28] <huats> I've read to use it in a scratch-directory
[14:29] <huats> but it is not in my pbuilder env... just a scratch directory in my current environment ?
[14:29] <huats> right ?
[14:29] <norsetto> huats: yes
[14:29] <amachu> bluekuja: i have assigned.. and looking through it
[14:29] <huats> ok
[14:29] <bluekuja> amachu, perfect, brb
[14:38] <proppy> norsetto: root@nekun:/usr/src# apt-get source viewcvs=0.9.2+cvs.1.0.dev.2004.07.28-4.1
[14:38] <proppy> I didn't know about that syntax
[14:38] <proppy> :)
[14:39] <norsetto> proppy: isn't amazing how many things we learn every day?
[14:39] <proppy> norsetto: from you yes !
[14:39] <proppy> norsetto: do you mentor GLSL as well ?
[14:39] <huats> norsetto: sorry but how do you use grab-merge ?
[14:40] <norsetto> proppy: mind you, if you say that again I hug you
[14:40] <norsetto> proppy: do you have the script already?
[14:40] <proppy> norsetto: apt-get install phong
[14:40] <norsetto> ops, sorry
[14:40] <bigon> does somebody know how are handled source name changes if the binary package name are the same? should I ask removal of the source package first?
[14:40] <norsetto> huats: do you have the script already?
[14:40] <proppy> norsetto: debuilding viewcvs-0.9.2+cvs.1.0.dev.2004.07.28 to reproduce the behaviour on sid
[14:40] <huats> norsetto: yep
[14:41] <norsetto> huats: ok, just mkdir gallery, cd into it, and run grab-merge gallery
[14:42] <huats> and do I say yes to remove all files ?
[14:42] <huats> ok
[14:42] <huats> (I've answered my self)
[14:43] <norsetto> huats: the first time I used it, I answered no and it deleted everything anyhow :-)
[14:44] <huats> :-)
[14:44] <huats> do I have to ask Mathias Gug (the previous uploader) first ?
[14:44] <norsetto> huats: or maybe was the dad script? Oh well, one of the two
[14:44] <zul> imbrandon: ping
[14:44] <huats> :-)
[14:45] <amachu> bluekuja: the debian unstable (http://packages.debian.org/sid/qtdmm) has 0.8.10-1 while the ubuntu (http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/science/qtdmm) has 0.8.8
[14:45] <norsetto> huats: this time is ok, he just sponsored the upload
[14:45] <huats> ok
[14:45] <norsetto> huats: but, yes, its good courtesy to check before
[14:45] <huats> ok
[14:45] <amachu> need to bridge that up
[14:46] <huats> norsetto: ok so now everythin is downloaded/unpacked
[14:47] <norsetto> huats: or you will get fujitsu performin his judo moves on you
[14:47] <norsetto> huats: or was it judo perfoprming his fujitsu moves? oh well
[14:47] <ScottK> FYI, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy now says active development.
[14:47] <huats> :-)
[14:48] <norsetto> huats: ok, so, have you checked REPORT?
[14:48] <huats> yep
[14:48] <norsetto> huats: and? problems? conflicts? looks good?
[14:49] <huats> norsetto: everything seems to be OK
[14:49] <amachu> bluekuja: i need to create update my pbuilder now for gutsy, i have it for feisty
[14:49] <minghua> So we are still having both MoM and DaD, right?
[14:49] <ScottK> Yes
[14:49] <norsetto> huats: ok, so the first thing to do is to look at the ubuntu changes, those of the old package
[14:50] <ScottK> The work to merge the U/I never got done
[14:50] <amachu> am doing a distribution upgrade right now
[14:50] <huats> norsetto: according there is no conflict
[14:50] <norsetto> huats: there should be a file called old_ubuntu_package.patch
[14:51] <huats> norsetto: so I should check that the produced patch is consistant with everything else...
[14:51] <norsetto> huats: in this case: gallery_1.5.5-pl1-1.1ubuntu1.patch
[14:51] <bluekuja> amachu, ok, I would suggest you to create a new tarball
[14:51] <bluekuja> amachu, so you can keep feisty one
[14:51] <norsetto> huats: do you follow me?
[14:51] <ScottK> Anyone who did advance uploads to gutsy-proposed, please upload your fixes to Hardy.
[14:51] <TheMuso> Hardy is open.
[14:51] <ScottK> Yes
[14:51] <huats> norsetto: I am
[14:51] <TheMuso> if people weren't already aware...
[14:51] <ScottK> TheMuso: see /topic
[14:52]  * norsetto goes to flood the server
[14:52] <Hobbsee> norsetto: you cant.  i'm already uploading lots of crack :P
[14:52] <TheMuso> ScottK: Did so in -devel.
[14:52]  * TheMuso needs a sbuild chroot first.
[14:52] <ScottK> No.  This one. I've already set it.
[14:52] <norsetto> huats: ok, so you checked the ubuntu changes?
[14:52] <huats> norsetto: in fac I was looking at that file already
[14:52] <amachu> bluekuja: i downloaded the source from http://www.mtoussaint.de/qtdmm.html#download
[14:52] <bluekuja> amachu, why?
[14:52] <bluekuja> amachu, I posted you dad and mom links
[14:52] <norsetto> huats: in this case its pretty easy, just oneliner
[14:53] <huats> norsetto: yep and the line for the Maintener field
[14:53] <proppy> Is there a policy avaiable (like python) for packaging web application ?
[14:53] <amachu> i missed it?
[14:53] <norsetto> huats: now, can you check the debian changes with respect to the old debian?
[14:53] <bluekuja> amachu, and anyway official website doesnt provide a package
[14:53] <bluekuja> amachu, which is the same of the archive
[14:53] <norsetto> huats: again there should be a file called new_debian_package.patch
[14:54] <amachu> ya
[14:54] <amachu> got it
[14:54] <norsetto> huats: which is what in this case?
[14:54] <bluekuja> amachu, so please use or mom/dad or if wanted to do it manually, get the source from debian/ubunut bts
[14:54] <bluekuja> *pts
[14:54] <huats> gallery_1.5.7-1..patch ?
[14:54] <norsetto> huats: ok, so, how do you check that (hint: do an ls before.....)
[14:55] <amachu> bluekuja: ok
[14:56] <bluekuja> hardy seems to be open
[14:56] <bluekuja> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy
[14:56] <huats> norsetto: lsdiff -z ?
[14:56] <bluekuja> and the upload flood on hardy-changes confirms that
[14:56] <norsetto> bluekuja: ^
[14:56] <bluekuja> cool
[14:56] <bluekuja> good development circle to everyone
[14:56] <ScottK> It's already in /topic
[14:57] <huats> on the gallery_1.5.7-1.diff.gz file
[14:57] <bluekuja> yep, just saw it
[14:57] <norsetto> huats: well, that would not give you the delta wrt the old debian
[14:57] <huats> norsetto: but it gives the files that are impacted...
[14:57] <huats> right ?
[14:58] <proppy> norsetto: Last login: Tue Oct 23 11:33:23 2007 from host135-230-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it sweeet
[14:58] <norsetto> proppy: yes, that was me
[14:58] <norsetto> huats: yes, but what you need to do, is checking the changes
[14:59] <norsetto> huats: and the file you told me, contains ALL the changes between the two debian versions
[15:00] <huats> norsetto: ok, so I can have a look at the changelog in the debian latest version
[15:00] <norsetto> huats: do we need to know all the changes? All the 13 MByte of changes .....
[15:00] <norsetto> huats: you have the diff already, is there a way to filter out only what you need?
[15:01] <norsetto> huats: filter out what you need ......
[15:01] <norsetto> huats: filter out ......
[15:01] <huats> norsetto: filterdiff ?
[15:01] <norsetto> huats: filter ......
[15:01] <norsetto> huats: yes ....
[15:01] <huats> (I only knew that tool this morning when talking with you and persia))
[15:02] <norsetto> huats: for instance: filterdiff -i'*/debian/*' gallery_1.5.7-1.patch > gallery_1.5.7-1.patch.debian
[15:02] <proppy> huats: isn't amazing how many things we learn every day? (c) norsetto
[15:02] <norsetto> huats: so, we take out everything outside /debian
[15:02] <huats> :-)
[15:03] <norsetto> guys if you don't behave I'm goinna send you out of the classroom .....
[15:03] <huats> :-)
[15:03] <huats> ok
[15:04] <norsetto> huats: so, what is the change in the new debian wrt the old one?
[15:04] <jdong> norsetto: waah huats took my apple juice, make him fill out an "I word" card!
[15:04] <jdong> ;-)
[15:05] <huats> so now I can ;-)
[15:05] <huats> oups
[15:05]  * norsetto considers early retirement from Mentoring
[15:05] <jdong> norsetto: I think that sticks with you... forever and ever and ever :)
[15:05]  * norsetto considers his pension
[15:05] <huats> :-)
[15:06]  * norsetto decide to stick with it
[15:06] <bluekuja> jdong, heya :)
[15:06] <jdong> yo :)
[15:06] <bluekuja> :)
[15:06] <proppy> norsetto: I already tied your photo to the wall of my own personnal dojo
[15:06]  * jdong waits pitti e-mail, but only finds angry messages from his math TA...
[15:07] <norsetto> proppy: yeah, its good target practice
[15:07] <bluekuja> jdong, lol
[15:07] <norsetto> proppy: a nose shot its not worth much though, too easy a target
[15:07] <huats> norsetto: you want to know the diff in the new debian compared to the ubuntu one ?
[15:08] <norsetto> huats: no, the new debian wrt the old one
[15:08] <norsetto> huats: so that we can see if the ubuntu changes are covered, or not
[15:08] <huats> oh
[15:08] <huats> ok
[15:09] <proppy> norsetto: I have to agree, I prefer to aim at the viking-something figure in the back
[15:09] <norsetto> proppy: thats a cow!
[15:09] <huats> norsetto: Ok, i understood (I was very long...)  ubuntu changes are not covered
[15:10]  * TheMuso now has a hardy chroot, for i386 at least.
[15:10]  * proppy grats TheMuso
[15:10] <StevenK> TheMuso: Bit slow, aren't you? :-)
[15:10] <norsetto> huats: ok, so, now check what mom is proposing as new package
[15:10] <TheMuso> StevenK: Well since I only saw the hardy open notice a little while ago...
[15:10] <proppy> norsetto: I was able to reproduce the bug on debian
[15:11] <TheMuso> And, I'm doing other things at the same time.
[15:11] <proppy> norsetto: upgrading etch -> sid
[15:11] <proppy> norsetto: let me reply to the debian bug report
[15:11] <norsetto> proppy: good news, flood the DD with bugs ;-)
[15:11] <norsetto> proppy: I would open a new bug actually
[15:11] <proppy> norsetto: ok
[15:12] <proppy> norsetto: do not know about the debian flow at all
[15:12] <proppy> norsetto: I heard it is mailed based
[15:12] <norsetto> proppy: check it out, but I don't think there is another bug on the upgrade
[15:13] <norsetto> proppy: yes, the debian bts is email based, there should be a script (reportbug I think) that can be used though
[15:13] <proppy> norsetto: so I should report a bug 'Broken template in viewvc (sid) when upgrading from viewcvs(etch) ?
[15:13] <norsetto> proppy: sound good, remember to link it to the ubuntu bug, and remove the other bug which is not relevant
[15:15] <norsetto> huats: again, it is best to filter the patch, something like: filterdiff -i'*/debian/*' gallery_1.5.7-1ubuntu1.patch > gallery_1.5.7-1ubuntu1.patch.debian
[15:15] <proppy> norsetto: the bug is definitly related to this one too
[15:15] <proppy> norsetto: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=409864
[15:15] <ubotu> Debian bug 409864 in viewvc "viewvc: No such file or directory: '/usr/lib/templates/directory.ezt' for SVN, but CVS works OK" [Important,Open]
[15:16] <proppy> norsetto:  For a workaround, either set the template_dir option in the [options]   section of your viewvc.conf and comment out all of the explicit   templates specified in the [templates] section, or just make sure   that every template in the [templates] section is specified with an   absolute path.
[15:16] <proppy> norsetto: that's exactly what my script do
[15:16] <proppy> norsetto: and someone pointed that as a workaround in this very bug report
[15:16] <norsetto> proppy: ah ok, didn remember that
[15:17] <norsetto> proppy: so, there is no need to raise a new bug then
[15:17] <proppy> norsetto: nor me, I just read the comments another time
[15:17] <huats> norsetto: I was doing that... before someone call me on my office phone ;-)
[15:17] <proppy> norsetto: as the bug is tagged as unreproducible
[15:17] <proppy> norsetto: I should comment my way to reproduce it I guess
[15:17] <norsetto> proppy: well, just propose your script in that bug then, and yes, say that you were able to reproduce and how
[15:18] <proppy> norsetto: and attach a viewvc-template not packaged as a way to automate the workaround
[15:19] <norsetto> proppy: sure
[15:19] <TheMuso> I'm assuming dpkg-striptranslations doesn't get run for PPA builds?
[15:20] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: At the moment it does, I believe, but I filed a bug on it some months ago.
[15:20] <huats> norsetto: so in that diff there is still the old ubuntu patch + some new translations
[15:21] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Ok, thats kinda useful for me at this point, thanks.
[15:21] <norsetto> huats: ok, if you are happy with it, make your additions to the changelog and prepare the new source package
[15:21] <huats> ok
[15:22] <norsetto> huats: before doing that, I would also check if there is any bug in gallery which could be addressed in this upload too
[15:22] <Fujitsu> Bug #136399
[15:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136399 in soyuz "PPA builders performing normal Ubuntu binary mangling" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136399
[15:22] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: ^^
[15:23] <huats> norsetto: ok
[15:26] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Turns out I don't need to worry about it any more, thanks anyway.
[15:32] <effie_jayx> dholbach, ping
[15:35] <norsetto> scottk: to be clear on the sru thingie, its just a new dput right?
[15:36] <ScottK> norsetto: You mean for Hardy?
[15:36] <norsetto> ScottK: yes, your email just sent
[15:36] <dholbach> effie_jayx: can you drop me a mail, I'm quite busy right now
[15:36] <ScottK> norsetto: With a different version number and distro in debian/changelog, but yes.
[15:36] <RainCT> hi
[15:37] <norsetto> ScottK: ah! ok, now I understand
[15:37] <huats> norsetto: regarding the merge
[15:38] <huats> in the changelog
[15:38] <huats> I do let mom as the author of the change ? or do I put mine ?
[15:38] <ScottK> huats: You
[15:38] <norsetto> huats: try to leave mom and see what happens ;-)
[15:39] <huats> sometimes I am so dumb
[15:39] <huats> ScottK and norsetto thanks
[15:39] <norsetto> huats: so, no new bugs which can be covered by this upload?
[15:40] <effie_jayx> dholbach,  cool
[15:40] <norsetto> huats: I wanted to check the debian bug about the ubuntu change, but their server seems to be down (proppy must be sending his bug mails)
[15:40] <dholbach> effie_jayx: thanks!
[15:41] <huats> norsetto: I was just preparing the changelog
[15:41] <huats> I was planning to have a look at the new bugs tonight
[15:42] <norsetto> huats: take your time, hardy is out only next April
[15:42] <huats> :-)
[15:42] <huats> by the way the new target is hardy
[15:42] <norsetto> huats: yes .....
[15:43] <huats> so I can create a pbuilder for it...
[15:44] <proppy> norsetto: few just have sorted 1600+ mail, for finding the accuratly the Debian BTS confirmation :)
[15:44] <norsetto> huats: I think you can already
[15:44] <huats> I do need a new bootstrap ?
[15:44] <huats> debbootstrap ?
[15:44] <huats> or do I copy the one from gutsy ?
[15:44] <ScottK> huats: Take a gutsy pbuilder and dist-upgrade it.
[15:45] <huats> ok
[15:45] <norsetto> huats: deboobstrap?
[15:45] <huats> norsetto: I meant debbootstrao
[15:45] <huats> rrrggghhhh
[15:45] <huats> debbootstrap
[15:45] <mruiz> bluekuja, hi! I attached the debdiff related to the bug 150876
[15:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150876 in xen-meta "English error in description" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150876
[15:46] <bluekuja> mruiz, well done. Let me finish something and I move to it :)
[15:46] <mruiz> thanks bluekuja :-)
[15:46] <bluekuja> thanks to you mruiz :)
[15:47] <mruiz> bluekuja, you're welcome :-)
[15:47] <huats> ScottK sorry to ask but how do I dist-upgrade a pbuilder ?
[15:49] <ScottK> huats: You'll have to study the manpage for pbuilder for the exact syntax, but you use login and save-changes (or something close to that) and then gutsy/hardy sources.list and dist-upgrade while in the chroot.
[15:50] <huats> ok
[15:50] <huats> the pont I was missing was the save-changes
[15:50] <huats> thanks ScottK
[15:54] <proppy> norsetto: send the bug report to BTS think I'll take a few to show up
[15:55] <norsetto> proppy: yes, give them some minutes
[15:55] <proppy> norsetto: and checked that the viewvc-template python script fix the pb
[15:55] <proppy> norsetto: so I will reply with the script attached
[15:58] <proppy> norsetto: still not yet up :(
[15:59] <norsetto> proppy: last I checked the server was down
[16:04] <proppy> norsetto: just stalked your interview in behidnmotu
[16:04] <proppy> norsetto: nice cat
[16:05] <norsetto> norsetto: thats grand-minou ;-)
[16:06] <norsetto> proppy: when one talks to himself, is that a bad sign?
[16:07] <proppy> norsetto: grand-minou really ? my neightboor one is called minou-chat
[16:07] <StevenK> norsetto: No. When one answers themselves, it's worse.
[16:08] <norsetto> stevenk: hehe
[16:09] <norsetto> proppy: then we have petite-minette and microbe
[16:09] <proppy> norsetto: posted to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=409864
[16:09] <ubotu> Debian bug 409864 in viewvc "viewvc: No such file or directory: '/usr/lib/templates/directory.ezt' for SVN, but CVS works OK" [Important,Open]
[16:09] <norsetto> proppy: what a fantasy eh.....
[16:09] <proppy> norsetto: my previous cat was called 'kernel' I know one called 'linux'
[16:10] <proppy> norsetto: the current one is 'roti'
[16:10] <proppy> norsetto: Let me reply to the BTS with the patch attached
[16:10] <norsetto> proppy: you mean, like roti-de-boeuf?
[16:11] <proppy> norsetto: yes
[16:12] <proppy> norsetto: s/patch/script
[16:16] <proppy> I forgot to point the ubuntu bug
[16:18] <ScottK> huats: I can verify that pbuilder upgrade approach works.  I just did it.
[16:19] <huats> ScottK:  I did it too...
[16:19] <huats> I don't know how to check it really works, but i dit
[16:19] <ScottK> Great.
[16:20] <huats> ScottK thanks
[16:21] <ScottK> huats: Try and update your upgraded pbuilder is a reasonable test.
[16:21] <proppy> norsetto: update bug #152438
[16:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152438 in viewvc "ViewVC doesn't work after dist-upgrade from viewcvs in feisty" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152438
[16:21] <proppy> norsetto: and Debian BTS as well
[16:22] <mruiz> bluekuja, any advance ?
[16:22] <bluekuja> mruiz, not yet on it
[16:23] <mruiz> bluekuja, ok...
[16:23] <bluekuja> mruiz, gonna ping you when reviewed
[16:23] <nxvl> where are the rules for debian/patches?
[16:24] <geser> nxvl: what rules?
[16:24] <nxvl> geser: it doesn't need rules?
[16:24] <nxvl> how do patches in debian/patches are apllied, by default?
[16:25] <huats> nxvl: hey
[16:26] <huats> nxvl: you remember this morning (yesterday everning for you)
[16:26] <huats> when you did the merge
[16:26] <geser> ah, depends on the patch system but usually through debian/rules
[16:26] <huats> you have added a line in the rules file
[16:26] <huats> that I already have added
[16:26] <geser> the documentation should have an example what to add to debian/rules
[16:27] <nxvl> huats: of course
[16:27] <nxvl> huats: and i think you are the person to help me on these
[16:27] <nxvl> huats: how do you make your patches to be apllied
[16:27] <geser> nxvl: which patch system do you use?
[16:28] <huats> dpatch
[16:28] <nxvl> huats: i'm trying to separate the patches and send to the DD as coordinate this $(5 hours ago)
[16:28] <huats> nxvl: in the rules file you add a line that include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make
[16:29] <nxvl> huats: so, i only need to add the patches to debian/patches and list them on 00list sicen you do the work earlier?
[16:30] <huats> nxvl: dpatch is handling it for you, since it is already in it
[16:30] <nxvl> s/do/did
[16:30] <huats> so you can create the other patch
[16:30] <geser> huats: or if you use cdbs for packaging, cdbs has a ready file to include for dpatch
[16:30] <nxvl> huats: ]HUGS*
[16:30] <nxvl> huats: *HUGS*
[16:30] <huats> and as long as you include them in patches/
[16:31] <huats> and you list them in the 00list it is ok
[16:31] <huats> I think
[16:31] <huats> :-)
[16:31] <nxvl> huats: lets try is the only way to see if it's true
[16:31] <huats> you don't have to put a call in the rules file for every patch
[16:32] <huats> if is your question :-)
[16:32] <huats> geser: it was debhelper if I remember well...
[16:32]  * huats hugs back nxvl
[16:32] <nxvl> huats: yes it was
[16:34] <proppy> ScottK: have you take a look at bug #155839
[16:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155839 in openct "Please sync openct_0.6.14-2 from Debian unstable (main) to Ubuntu hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155839
[16:34] <proppy> what is missing ?
[16:34]  * ScottK can take a quick look, but not enough to upload it.
[16:35] <proppy> ScottK: np
[16:35] <ScottK> proppy: Forgot it was a sync.  That I should be able to deal with.
[16:36] <nxvl> should i include Makefile.in in the patches?
[16:36] <tonyyarusso> Oooof....I'm reaching the conclusion that Gutsy wasn't ready for release.
[16:36] <huats> nxvl: what do you mean ?
[16:37] <amachu> bluekuja: hi
[16:37] <bluekuja> amachu, heya
[16:38] <nxvl> huats: lsdiff shows me Makefile.in
[16:38] <ScottK> proppy: Looked good.  Confirmed and ack'ed to the archive.
[16:38] <amachu> bluekuja: the MoM says about the conflict
[16:38] <amachu> in debian/comtrol
[16:38] <bluekuja> yes?
[16:38] <proppy> ScottK: thanks
[16:38] <amachu> in debian/control
[16:38] <nxvl> huats: as well as the config's i have been told to remove, so i'm not sure about including it
[16:39] <amachu> bluekuja: fine.. i untarred qtdmm_0.8.10-1ubuntu1.src.tar.gz
[16:39] <bluekuja> amachu, y?
[16:39] <bluekuja> amachu, mom/dad does that for you
[16:40] <amachu> ok..
[16:40] <huats> nxvl: the lsdiff on the efax-gtk_3.0.15-1.patch right ?
[16:40] <bluekuja> amachu, small question
[16:40] <bluekuja> amachu, what did you do for grabbing stuff from dad/mom?
[16:40] <amachu> bluekuja: yes
[16:40] <bluekuja> I hope you did *not* wget file by file
[16:41] <amachu> grabbing stuff?
[16:41] <nxvl> huats: not, on efax-gtk_3.0.15-1.diff.gz
[16:41] <amachu> ok
[16:41] <bluekuja> amachu, yes
[16:41] <amachu> bluekuja: i used kget
[16:41] <huats> that was what I meant
[16:42] <bluekuja> amachu, wrong :)
[16:42] <bluekuja> amachu, did you read dad/mom istructions?
[16:42] <bluekuja> before starting up?
[16:42] <huats> you have to keep them
[16:42] <bluekuja> amachu, usually guidelines are there to be understood
[16:42] <huats> since it is not generated
[16:42] <bluekuja> and followed
[16:42] <bluekuja> :)
[16:42] <huats> it is done on purpose
[16:43] <huats> let's have a look at the efax-gtk_3.0.15-1 changelog
[16:43] <amachu> bluekuja: dad/mom instructions in?
[16:43] <bluekuja> amachu, suggestion--> grab-merge.sh
[16:43] <huats> and you'll see that some modifications happened to the Makefile.in
[16:43] <huats> and Makefile
[16:44] <amachu> ok
[16:44] <bluekuja> amachu, did you see it somewhere?
[16:44] <bluekuja> in starting guidelines?
[16:44] <huats> anyway you can remove the config stuff but not the Make one -)
[16:44] <bluekuja> at dad/mom homepage?
[16:45] <amachu> i remember
[16:45] <amachu> just a min
[16:45] <amachu> yes
[16:45] <nxvl> huats: that was my cuestion, thnx again
[16:45] <huats> :-)
[16:46] <huats> no problem
[16:46] <huats> it is the first time I can answer someone questions here !!!
[16:46]  * huats hugs everyone
[16:46] <huats> to celebrate
[16:46] <amachu> bluekuja: its in the homepage
[16:47] <bluekuja> amachu, yep
[16:49] <nxvl> huats: where was the page where we see the menu policy? did you remember?
[16:51] <huats> nxvl:  http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu.html/ch3.html#s3.2
[16:52] <nxvl> huats: thnx
[16:57] <nxvl> huats: ok, the patch are in sigle files on debian/patches, but now, how do i remove the old ones?
[16:57] <RainCT> Hobbsee: hi
[16:57] <Hobbsee> hiya RainCT
[16:57] <huats> old ones ?
[16:57] <huats> old patches ?
[16:58] <nxvl> huats: yes
[16:58] <nxvl> huats: backporting to orig source i think
[16:58] <huats> I am sorry I don't see the point
[16:59] <RainCT> Hobbsee: about bug 155845, «What happened to kubuntu-restricted-extras, ppc?  did it not deserve to have gnash?», I didn't add it since gnash depends on libgtk2. should I add it anyways?
[16:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155845 in ubuntu-restricted-extras "Description says it will install flash, but it doesn't on amd64 systems" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155845
[16:59] <huats> by instance what do you want to remove
[16:59] <huats> ?
[16:59] <ScottK> fernando: Are you up for the Courier merge?  Let me know if you have questions.
[16:59] <nxvl> huats: in the lsdiff there is some non debian changes
[16:59] <nxvl> huats: i want to remove them
[17:00] <Hobbsee> RainCT: amarok also depends on libgtk2
[17:00] <huats> nxvl: I think that you should not remove them
[17:00] <nxvl> huats: what i'm doing is to change the package to dpatch and then i will send the debdiff to the DD
[17:01] <fernando> hey ScottK, I'm a little busy. but no questions yet
[17:01] <huats> the changes that are non debian ones are already there in the new debian package right ?
[17:01] <nxvl> huats: yes
[17:02] <huats> so there is no point of dealing with them, at least from my point of view...
[17:02] <ScottK> fernando: OK.  Just let me know.
[17:02] <huats> but once again maybe I am wrong
[17:02] <huats> nxvl: you should let them...
[17:02] <huats> nxvl: I am sorry
[17:02] <huats> nxvl: I really have to go
[17:02] <amachu> bluekuja: ya got that
[17:03] <huats> but I'll should be able to reconnect later tonight...
[17:03] <RainCT> Hobbsee: ok.. so should I add it there too?
[17:03] <Hobbsee> RainCT: sounds reasonable
[17:04] <RainCT> Hobbsee: (and about the patch, I just used   debdiff packagename.old packagename > packagename.debdiff )
[17:04] <RainCT> ok
[17:04] <huats> I am sure norsetto  or persia might be able to help on you on that before I come back
[17:04] <huats> once again, I am sorry
[17:04] <Hobbsee> RainCT: you need to do it in the dir that the two dsc's are in, iirc.
[17:05] <Hobbsee> or do you acutally need to do it in the source/  hmm.
[17:05] <amachu> brb
[17:05] <nxvl> huats: ok, have a nice day and thank you :D
[17:05] <huats> thanks too
[17:05] <nxvl> huats: you don't have to be sorry
[17:06] <RainCT> Hobbsee: ah yes, sorry, I meant the .dsc's of the old one and of the new one
[17:06]  * ScottK notes for the record that ESC :wq doesn't work in Kate.
[17:06] <RainCT> debdiff ubuntu-restricted-extras_10.dsc ubuntu-restricted-extras_11.dsc > ubuntu-restricted-extras_11.debdiff
[17:06] <bluekuja> mruiz, commented
[17:07] <Hobbsee> RainCT: hmm.  it shoul dhave worked
[17:07] <Hobbsee> RainCT: in that case, you need to delete the preceeding characters before the u-r-e/ dir
[17:07] <Hobbsee> so that the patch applies with patch -p1
[17:07] <mruiz> thanks bluekuja , I'll continue later
[17:08] <bluekuja> mruiz, k fine
[17:08] <bluekuja> amachu, done?
[17:10] <amachu> bluekuja: not done yet.. got through the grab-merge.sh
[17:10] <bluekuja> ah ok fine
[17:10] <bluekuja> :)
[17:13] <cosmodad> how do I revert patching done between <package>-ubuntuX and -ubuntuX+1?
[17:13] <cosmodad> I suppose there's some Debian/Ubuntu helper for that. Keyword would be fine.
[17:13] <RainCT> Hobbsee: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10130712/ubuntu-restricted-extras_11.debdiff
[17:14] <RainCT> «Does flashplugin-nonfree actually work sufficiently well on amd64»   about that, I've no idea :P
[17:14] <Hobbsee> RainCT: looks much better.  what does `gstreamer0.10-pitfdll' do?
[17:14] <Hobbsee> yeah, i think i saw a few bugs about it, which i why i didnt add it before
[17:14] <mruiz> bluekuja, I uploaded a new version :-)
[17:15] <bluekuja> mruiz, checking
[17:16] <amachu> bluekuja: the MoM says about .DEBIAN and .UBUNTU files
[17:17] <bluekuja> amachu, after grabbing the source, check REPORT fil
[17:17] <bluekuja> and find out conflicts
[17:17] <bluekuja> fix them
[17:17] <amachu> ok
[17:17] <bluekuja> debuild
[17:17] <RainCT> Hobbsee: «GStreamer plugin for using MS Windows binary codecs», it's requested in bug 155770
[17:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155770 in ubuntu-restricted-extras "ubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't recommend gstreamer0.10-pitfdll" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155770
[17:17] <bluekuja> debdiff
[17:17] <Hobbsee> RainCT: oh, that one.  right
[17:17] <Hobbsee> yeah, i saw that come in
[17:22] <mruiz> bluekuja, I have to leave IRC right now... I'm waiting for your comments... thanks!
[17:22] <bluekuja> mruiz, uploading
[17:27] <dholbach>    QUESTION: where are debtags saved (the tags for each deb package)?
[17:27] <dholbach> ^ can somebody answer that?
[17:32] <RainCT> what are debtags? :P
[17:33] <jpatrick> dholbach: /var/lib/debtags
[17:33] <jpatrick> (I think)
[17:33] <cosmodad> how do I revert patching done between <package>-ubuntuX and -ubuntuX+1?
[17:34] <geser> Hobbsee: Hi, should I get my gnumed-client removed from -proposed (if it's possible)?
[17:34] <ScottK> geser: I don't think it's possible.  At this point we need to just make really sure it's well tested before --> gutsy-updates
[17:34] <Hobbsee> i have no idea
[17:36] <norsetto_> dholbach, jpatrick: I think the local repo is in /usr/share/debtags
[17:37] <jpatrick> norsetto_: well I have a 2.2MB file in there with them
[17:42]  * norsetto_ hugs geser, scottk and hobbsee
[17:42]  * ScottK does his first Hardy upload :-)
[17:42]  * Hobbsee hugs norsetto
[17:43] <norsetto> scottK: beat you already :-P
[17:44] <norsetto> anyone feels giving a look at: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=399 ?
[17:47] <cosmodad> I'm trying to revert an upgrade done to a specific Ubuntu package and re-merge with the latest Debian package. Someone (here) told me before I should revert the patches prior to merging.
[17:47] <cosmodad> Although I've been looking hard on how to revert, I cannot figure it out. Can anyone give me a hint?
[17:50] <nxvl> norsetto: i have made the changes u ask for, and updated the LP page
[17:50] <nxvl> norsetto: can u take a look please
[17:50] <norsetto> nxvl: yes, doing it already
[17:50] <norsetto> nxvl: I can modify it this time, but next time pls. make sure that the chnagelog entries will wrap before the 80 chars limit
[17:51] <nxvl> norsetto: oh, i didn't know that, i will keep it in mind
[17:52] <jpatrick> could someone look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=379 ?
[17:52] <norsetto> nxvl: otherwise it looks good, I'll build, test and if its ok upload it soon, thanks for your work!
[17:53] <nxvl> norsetto: thnk u for your help, i'm glad to work with you :D
[17:53]  * nxvl hugs norsetto
[17:53] <nxvl> now, going to work
[17:54] <nxvl> see you later
[17:54]  * ScottK hugs norsetto back.
[17:54]  * norsetto faints
[17:54] <jpatrick> norsetto: was it that awful?
[17:54] <jpatrick> :(
[17:55] <ScottK> jpatrick: That was me, not you.
[17:55] <jpatrick> ah, right :)
[17:57] <dholbach> thanks jpatrick, norsetto
[17:58] <jpatrick> no prob
[17:59] <ScottK> dholbach: Noted.
[17:59] <norsetto> dholbach: was that anywhere close to what you wanted?
[18:01] <dholbach> ScottK: hm?
[18:05] <zul> wik/win 10
[18:05] <zul> damn it
[18:12] <norsetto> this is new to me. When debuilding a merge, I get this warning message: Ubuntu merge policy: when merging Ubuntu packages with Debian, -v must be used
[18:12] <Hobbsee> norsetto: because keybuk will eat you otherwise.
[18:12] <Hobbsee> norsetto: you're not using merge-buildpackage, or whatever it is, from mom?
[18:13] <norsetto> Hobbsee: no, I just got a debdiff from the uploader and checking it
[18:13] <Hobbsee> norsetto: it's so that only the changelog up to the last ubuntu version is used - where you set what version is after the -v
[18:13] <Hobbsee> merge-buildpackage automates this for you.
[18:14] <norsetto> Hobbsee: well, thanks
[18:15] <Hobbsee> norsetto: but keybuk will yell at you if you dont specify the right -v value - or any
[18:17] <norsetto> well, suppose the last version was 3.0.15-1ubuntu1 and this one fater the merge 3.0.14-1ubuntu1, then the right command is debuild -S -sa -v3.0.14-1ubuntu1, right?
[18:17] <Hobbsee> fater?
[18:17] <imbrandon> moins all
[18:17] <norsetto> sorry: suppose the last version was 3.0.14-1ubuntu1 and this one after the merge 3.0.15-1ubuntu1, then the right command is debuild -S -sa -v3.0.14-1ubuntu1, right?
[18:18] <Hobbsee> yes
[18:18]  * norsetto just wonders why he has never seen that before
[18:20]  * Hobbsee heads to bed
[18:20] <jpatrick> g'night Hobbsee
[18:21] <norsetto> g'night Hobbsee
[18:24] <luk_> good night Hobbsee
[18:24] <nixternal> imbrandon: it is freakin' afternoon, what are you saying moin for? lazy bum :p
[18:25] <hypa7ia> hey motu folks, what's the process to get a Universe package updated if an old version was included in Gutsy?
[18:30] <hypa7ia> barring that does anyone know how to track down a package maintainer in motu?
[18:31] <slangasek> hypa7ia: universe doesn't strictly have package maintainers, it's collaboratively maintained
[18:32] <hypa7ia> ahh, good to know
[18:33] <hypa7ia> so the proper process from what i see in the MOTU FAQ is just to file a bug on the package
[18:33] <imbrandon> nixternal, haha
[18:33] <imbrandon> nixternal, listened to lugradio yet this week ?
[18:38] <nixternal> imbrandon: heh, just starting it right now
[18:39] <imbrandon> nixternal, about an hour and 5 minutes in see if you reconise someone , fskin hilarious imho
[18:39] <norsetto> ScottK: are we back to normal for srus  (ie. subscribe ubuntu-sru and not motu-uvf)?
[18:40] <ScottK> norsetto: Yes, but there is motu-sru.
[18:40] <ScottK> is /is no
[18:41] <ScottK> Normal = You upload it to proposed when it's fixed in Hardy and you think it's ready.
[18:42] <norsetto> ScottK: ok, thanks for that
[18:42] <ScottK> norsetto: If you found documentation referring to motu-sru, please fix it.
[18:42] <norsetto> scottk: sure
[18:43] <norsetto> ScottK: can you pls. unsubscribe motu-uvf from bug 155498 then?
[18:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155498 in rutilt "rutilt 0.15-0ubuntu5 crashes while applying a profile" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155498
[18:43] <ScottK> norsetto: No.  I already deactivated myself.
[18:44] <norsetto> scottK: ah
[18:44] <norsetto> scottk: well, never mind than
[18:44] <zul> imbrandon: ping
[18:47] <imbrandon> zul, pong
[18:54] <cosmodad> how'd one suffix customly modified package-names to differ them from official ones?
[18:54] <cosmodad> I thought of something similar to backports, e.g. ~cosmodad
[18:55] <ScottK> Should be fine.
[18:55] <cosmodad> okey-dokey
[19:15] <sistpoty> hi folks
[19:15] <jpatrick> hi sistpoty
[19:15] <sistpoty> hi jpatrick
[19:18] <ScottK> Heya sistpoty.
[19:18] <sistpoty> hi ScottK
[19:19] <adii>  HI
[19:20] <geser> Hi sistpoty
[19:20] <sistpoty> hi geser
[19:35] <deadwill> yo
[19:36] <deadwill> ScottK, PM?
[19:36] <ScottK> If it's quick.
[20:28]  * nixternal just did his first Hardy upload...woohoo! it is on!
[20:31] <cosmodad> can anyone help me out with a pdebuild prob? All build-deps can be satisfied except for a single one (libsplashy1-dev) even though it's part of the Gutsy rep (which `pbuilder create' was based on)
[20:31] <cosmodad> how'd I debug this issue?
[20:33] <ScottK> Is the package in Universe and do you have Universe enabled?
[20:34] <cosmodad> ScottK: it's in Universe which I have enabled on my machine prior to doing pbuilder create.
[20:34] <cosmodad> ScottK: do I have to tell pbuilder specifically about this as well?
[20:34] <ScottK> That doesn't mean it's enabled in the pbuilder.
[20:34] <ScottK> Yes
[20:34] <cosmodad> how'd I do that?
[20:35] <pochu> cosmodad: check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#head-5e61fa0f52f7f2442fb20f074813bd691744460b
[20:35] <ScottK> man pbuilder is the snarky answer.  The easy way is to get the ubuntu-dev-tools package and use the pbuilder-dist script there.
[20:35] <sistpoty> any main sponsors around that could help me with bug #156362?
[20:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156362 in nvidia-settings "should ship NVCtrl.h and NVCtrlLib.h" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156362
[20:35] <bluekuja> cosmodad, gedit /etc/pbuilder/pbuilderrc and uncomment other components
[20:36] <bluekuja> cosmodad, do a tarball update, that's all
[20:36] <bluekuja> or follow ScottK's advice as well
[20:36] <bluekuja> ;)
[20:36] <cosmodad> wow thanks all
[20:37] <bluekuja> cosmodad, np
[20:37] <cosmodad> which approach should I prefer?
[20:40] <ScottK> Whichever one you actually prefer.  Technically the get you to the same place.
[20:40] <cosmodad> oh I see, pbuilder-dist looks comfortable
[20:40] <ScottK> Beware that the Gutsy version doesn't actually work for Debian dists.
[20:42] <cosmodad> ScottK: you mean if I build against Gutsy reps?
[20:43] <ScottK> No, I mean if you use the Gutsy version of pbuilder-dist to make a pbuilder for a Debian dist, it won't work.
[20:43] <ScottK> For any Ubuntu release it's fine.
[20:44] <ScottK> To get it working for a Debian pbuilder takes a bit of hackage.
[20:44] <slangasek> ScottK: why is that, OOI?
[20:44] <cosmodad> ScottK: this in fact is supposed to be an Ubuntu release.
[20:44] <ScottK> It's a bug in the script.
[20:44] <cosmodad> ScottK: I'm interested in this bug anyway, out of curiosity.
[20:45] <ScottK> cosmodad: Bug a lot of us do work in Ubuntu
[20:45] <ScottK> Ubuntu/Debian
[20:45] <ScottK> Bug 140964 for details.
[20:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140964 in ubuntu-dev-tools "pbuilder-dist tries Ubuntu components for Debian distro" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140964
[20:45] <nixternal> devtools in hardy aren't picking up on the hardy in the changelogs...am I forgetting another hack in order to get the highlighting to go away?
[20:45] <ScottK> This particular bug is an example of why I dislike bzr repos for packages.
[20:46] <cosmodad> ScottK: "a bit of hackage" referred to pbuilder-dist only, right?
[20:46] <ScottK> Yes
[20:46] <cosmodad> ScottK: in that case, I'll evade pbuilder-dist for the moment
[20:47] <ScottK> cosmodad: Up to you.  For Ubuntu it works great.
[20:48] <ajmitch> hm, gutsy not doing much on the laptop when I'm trying to login today
[20:48]  * ajmitch kicks it
[20:49] <cosmodad> ScottK: thanks again.
[20:49] <ScottK> No trouble.
[20:50]  * sistpoty is off to bed
[20:50] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[20:50] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[20:50] <imbrandon> gnight sistpoty
[20:50] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon
[20:51]  * ajmitch wonders why it is playing stupid today, since there have been no updates
[20:51] <zul> hey ajmitch
[20:51] <ajmitch> hi
[20:51] <imbrandon> zul, i also had nixternaltry that lum , works perfectly
[20:51] <jcastro> I can't help but read "Hi imbrandon" as "Hi, I'm brandon."
 I didn't realise we had such a celebrity
[20:56] <imbrandon> ajmitch, i got a mention on LR , you have to hear it to beleive it
[20:56] <jcastro> ajmitch: there were something like 260+ people in dholbach's packaging sessions
[20:56] <ajmitch> jcastro: not for my timezone :)
[20:56] <imbrandon> i was interviewed on LR in May, todays epsisode i just got mentionede
[20:56] <jcastro> ajmitch: hopefully it'll motivate some people to get involved, etc.
[20:56] <imbrandon> mentioned*
[20:56] <jcastro> I certainly learned from the session
[20:57] <imbrandon> the Q & A session should be nice too
[20:57] <imbrandon> i'm gonna pull and see how many other MOTU's i can have with me fielding Q's too
[20:57] <ajmitch> jcastro: at best I can catch the last session or two
[20:58] <imbrandon> yea the sessions should be a bit later IMHO
[20:58] <ajmitch> depends on which timezone you're aiming for :)
[20:58] <zul> imbrandon: i have to head home but ill be back later
[20:58] <imbrandon> evening central USA rocks :)
[20:58] <imbrandon> zul, kk
[20:59] <imbrandon> e.g. 2000 UTC onword
[20:59] <ajmitch> makes it fun trying to follow a team who always has irc meetings at 4am local time
[21:00] <imbrandon> yea that sucks
[21:00]  * ajmitch just gave up after awhile
[21:29] <norsetto> where is it possible to find remove requests in debian?
[21:31] <ScottK> norsetto: Info is here: http://wiki.debian.org/ftpmaster_Removals
[21:31] <norsetto> ScottK: excellent, thanks!
[21:31] <huats> norsetto: I am back with my merge
[21:31] <huats> ;)
[21:31] <ScottK> norsetto: You're welcome
[21:31] <huats> what is the good way to create the package ?
[21:31] <huats> merge-buildpackage ?
[21:32] <huats> is there a way to use pbuilder ?
[21:32] <norsetto> huats: I tend to use a manual method, like debuild
[21:32] <huats> or is it like always
[21:32] <huats> ok
[21:32] <huats> so
[21:32] <huats> same as always : debuild -S -sa
[21:33] <RainCT> good night
[21:33] <huats> and then pbuilder build ?
[21:33] <huats> RainCT: good night
[21:33] <huats> norsetto: so nothing changes in a merge than from a classical build
[21:34] <ScottK> If I've got a package with an installed config file, how do I get the question about the modified version of the config file asked?  Call debconf in the postinst?
[21:34] <norsetto> huats: it is a normal build, I just found out today that we just need to add a -v option to make the changelog trasparent to all the changes since the last ubuntu one, and thats it
[21:35] <norsetto> huats: but for you this is not necessary, its only if you need a source .changes
[21:36] <huats> ok
[21:43] <geser> norsetto: the PTS often has also a record (the bug number) why a package got removed
[21:44] <geser> ScottK: isn't dpkg handling configfiles itself?
[21:44] <norsetto> geser: ok, I'm in need just to check if a removal request has been issued already only
[21:45] <geser> norsetto: check the PTS for the package, it should have a comment about it
[21:45] <geser> ScottK: some packages use also ucf for config files hangling
[21:45] <ScottK> geser: I'm finding yes.  I'm researching it.
[21:46]  * ScottK thought it was debconf, but it is dpkg.
[21:47] <norsetto> geser: thx, I'll keep an eye on that then
[21:54] <slangasek> ScottK: if it's a conffile, dpkg prompts automatically any time there's a modified version on disk and the version in the new package has changed.
[21:54] <slangasek> if it's not a conffile, ucf is the best option
[21:55] <ScottK> slangasek: Thanks.  I think I've figured out how to teach dpkg it's a conffile.  I'm testing now.
[21:56] <slangasek> ScottK: is this an existing config file that you're trying to turn into a conffile, or a new package?
[21:56] <ScottK> It's an existing package with a config file that was not so marked.  I'm trying to fix it.
[21:57]  * ajmitch kills esd
[21:58] <ScottK> Well that didn't work...
[21:59] <slangasek> ScottK: ah, then you want the magic conversion bits... http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling I think
[22:00] <ScottK> slangasek: Thanks.  Looking
[22:01] <slangasek> ScottK: alas, that page doesn't seem to have the bits that are actually relevant here, so let me summarize
[22:02] <slangasek> ScottK: if the config file was previously installed as a non-conffile, calculate the md5sum of the version that was shipped in the old package; in the preinst of the new package, compare it to the md5sum of the file on disk; if they're equal, delete the file
[22:02]  * ScottK appreciates.
[22:02] <slangasek> ScottK: otherwise, leave the file alone and dpkg's conffile handling should pick up the conflict
[22:03] <ScottK> OK.  How does dpkg know it's a conffile?
[22:03] <ScottK> Actually I think I figured it.
[22:04] <ScottK> I think I missed .conffile vs .conffiles.
[22:04]  * ScottK tries again.
[22:05] <slangasek> ScottK: if you're using any of the standard packaging helpers (debhelper, or cdbs+debhelper), any files shipped under /etc are automatically made conffiles
[22:05] <slangasek> if you're not using them, why not? :), and if you're shipping a conffile outside of /etc you probably should'nt
[22:06] <ScottK> It's CBDS and it appears to not be finding it (it's in /etc).
[22:06] <ScottK> Hmm
[22:06] <slangasek> using the debhelper class?
[22:06] <ScottK> Good question - checking
[22:07] <ScottK> I have .../rules/debhelper.mk, but not class.
[22:07] <ScottK> Upstream ships the conffile in /usr/local and I move it.  Maybe I do it too late in the process.
[22:07] <ScottK> Hmmm
[22:07] <slangasek> ah, my mistake, it's not under class
[22:08] <slangasek> ah, at what point are you moving it?  Please move it as part of "install"
[22:08] <slangasek> for best results
[22:10] <ScottK> Looking back, (it's a python app) what I did was patch the provided setup.py to put in /etc.
[22:10]  * ScottK doens't know why that wouldn't just work.
[22:10] <slangasek> sounds like it should
[22:11] <ScottK> Well I'll google some more and see what I can come up with.  Thanks for helping.
[22:11]  * ScottK may try python-central for the first time to see if it manages it.
[22:17] <bmk789> are most packages compiled with the -O3 gcc flag or is there a standard optimization ubuntu uses?
[22:18] <slangasek> the standard optimization inherited from Debian is -O2
[22:18] <ScottK> slangasek: adding debian/binary_packagename.conffiles containing the path/filename of the conffile solved it.
[22:19] <slangasek> hmm
[22:19] <slangasek> ScottK: there aren't any DH_VERSION lines in debian/rules, are there?
[22:19] <slangasek> (which I think cdbs might override anyway, but)
[22:19] <ScottK> Not in debian/rules (it's vanilla CDBS).  I"ll check the build logs
[22:19] <bmk789> so -O2 is just the default or are packages only accepted at -O2?
[22:20] <ScottK> slangasek: dh_version does not appear to get called.
[22:21] <slangasek> ScottK: or a pre-existing debian/version file?  The thing is, debhelper from something like compat level 3 on is supposed to automatically treat any files installed under /etc as conffiles when building.
[22:21] <ScottK> Nope.  compat = 5 and no debian/version file.
[22:22] <ScottK> slangasek: I'm in the Debian Python Modules Team.  I'll go bug them as I expect it's something Python packaging related.  Thanks for all your help.
[22:24] <slangasek> ScottK: as long as dh_installdeb is called, conffiles are really supposed to be registered automatically, so that's really weird.  good luck then. :)
[22:24] <ScottK> Well that one definitely gets called.
[22:24] <ScottK> Thanks again.
[22:24] <slangasek> bmk789: you really shouldn't be using a different optimization level than -O2 without a particular reason, but it's not an absolute rule.
[22:25] <bmk789> ok thanks
[22:41] <lamego> what is the DEB*ARCH var ?
[22:41] <lamego> I mean, which
[22:52] <norsetto> well, thats it
[22:52] <norsetto> g'night all people
[22:52] <norsetto> g'night good people too
[22:52] <ajmitch> g'night norsetto
[22:53]  * ajmitch returns to trolling nixternal
[23:18] <mruiz> hi all
[23:19] <mruiz> bluekuja, thanks for the upload :-)
[23:54] <desertc> Greetings masters of the universe.  I want to call your attention to a project that I think is extremely worthy of assistance.
[23:54] <desertc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/129081/
[23:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129081 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Mumble" [Wishlist,In progress]
[23:56] <desertc> Mutter is an open source alternative to Team Speak and Ventrilo, neither of which have Linux clients.  I feel strongly that this software could have a significant impact on Linux desktop users, as no open source VoIP-conferencing-solution is popular, atm.
[23:57] <desertc> It looked like (a couple months back) that it was in line with getting into Gutsy, but I lost sight of the progress, and now the maintainer seems to be having communication negotiations through the bug-entry-system.
[23:58] <desertc> As I said, I think this is an important potential package, and I wanted to illuminate the software and it's potential, in case there were some champions in here that felt they could help out.
[23:58] <desertc> Thanks for all of your help and congratulations on a fantastic Gutsy Gibbon release.


[20:27] <AlanBell> staff can I have ops in #ubuntu-accomplishments to register it please
[20:33] <Fuchs> AlanBell: should have been done?
[20:33] <AlanBell> thanks
[20:35] <Fuchs> You're welcome


[03:51] <elky> Flannel, he's gone quiet, is he talking to you privately?
[03:51] <Flannel> Nope
[03:51] <Flannel> I wonder if he thought we were just trying to shut him up
[03:52] <elky> then he's never going to get help. not much we can do about it
[04:45] <SeaPhor> well i am interested in learning all i can,,, if welcome here
[04:49] <SeaPhor> ok, thank you , sorry to have barged in, just saw this and have insatiable need to learn , g'night
[04:49] <Flannel> SeaPhor: Always welcome, yes.
[04:49] <Flannel> SeaPhor: although, this channel tends to be lower volume than #ubuntu itself
[04:50] <SeaPhor> Flannel, ?
[04:51] <Flannel> SeaPhor: What?
[04:52] <SeaPhor> i'm sorry,, i am confused,,, maybe i am in wrong place,
[04:52] <Flannel> SeaPhor: Where do you think you're trying to be?
[04:53] <SeaPhor> my mistake,,, i saw a response to someone else and joined this hoping to learn more
[04:54] <Flannel> SeaPhor: Right, You're welcome to stick around and see whatever transpires.  But its a fairly low volume channel.
[04:54] <SeaPhor> ok,,,
[04:55] <SeaPhor> so questions are ok,,, ??
[04:56] <Flannel> SeaPhor: Of course.  Although you might get answers sooner in #ubuntu
[04:58] <SeaPhor> granted, and i am not 1 of those that spam my query every 10 lines,,,
[05:02] <SeaPhor> i have config'd ssh to work and now have vnc -via (thru ssh)  working great,,, now i am trying to get vssftpd working but it gives users total access to my whole box,,, how do i limit users to their own home dir?
[05:04] <SeaPhor> *vsftpd
[05:11] <afallenhope> SeaPhor: you're a cutie
[05:11] <afallenhope> lol
[05:11] <afallenhope> sorry just had to
[05:12] <afallenhope> Anyone know if you can have ubuntu and fedora share the same /home partition?
[05:12] <SeaPhor> you scare me afallenhope
[05:12] <afallenhope> you love me don't even lie
[10:36] <madeddie> SeaPhor, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/vsftp-chroot-users-limit-to-only-their-home-directory.html
[16:02] <SeaPhor> madeddie, Thank You! you are my new hero! that was perfectly what i wanted and needed
[16:41] <SeaPhor> madeddie, I just realized that I dont know how to monitor the ftp, other than netstat and things like that, i installed ftpmonitor from synaptics but cant get it to start,,, any help? or better suggestions on monitoring?
[19:28] <madeddie> SeaPhor, what do you want to monitor exactly? and ftpmonitor is a KDE applet, if you're running gnome it won't work just out of the box
[19:29] <SeaPhor> ahahh thanks madeddie ... just want to watch ftp and ssh thaffic on this box, and log it if possible
[19:30] <madeddie> ehm
[19:30] <SeaPhor> *traffic
[19:30] <madeddie> all traffic? or just logins?
[19:31] <SeaPhor> all if possible
[19:31] <madeddie> all traffic? you would have to set up a sniffer
[19:32] <madeddie> although i don't really see the use for that unless you're building a hackertrap honeybox
[19:32] <SeaPhor> ohh, just when logged and what they accessed
[19:32] <madeddie> ah, i guess most would be in /var/log/daemon.log and /var/log/auth.log
[19:32] <madeddie> just grep those for ftp and ssh
[19:33] <madeddie> ftpwho shows who is logged in right now, although i'm not sure vsftpd works with that
[19:55] <SeaPhor> cool, thanks for all your help madeddie
[19:55] <madeddie> sure thing


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 Finally got Xorg and FreeBSD working on the old thinkpad, it finally earned back its BSD sticker
 @RazPi, Again?
 Yes it seems to be every night lately
 Im back to full speed somehow now
 You may want to switch out your modem. It is old
 I can't figure out why it would be fast during the day and slow at night
 Moisture in the air changes and things contract, especially outside.
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[00:31] <eeytan> Hi. I have a strange font issue. It seems to only happen with proprietary software (like Perforce or Android studio.) Some fonts render as extremely tall with no spaces or very tall and not render. There's an example here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/834024/some-forms-render-wrong-probably-due-to-font-problem
[03:37] <Guest89803> HHH
[03:37] <Guest89803> HHH
[03:37] <Guest89803> HHH
[03:37] <Guest89803> HHH
[04:47] <Not_a_Robot_> Somebody help me please. I selected in energy options to not lock the computer... And it gets locked every X minutes. How can I disable that, please? :/
[04:53] <momoe> I'm trying to get through Kubuntu Podcast #16 but their audio settings are so bad it's painful to listen to
[04:54] <valorie> Not_a_Robot_: alt+f2 and type lock
[04:54] <valorie> you'll see a few possibilities
[04:55] <Not_a_Robot_> valorie: thank you my saviour!
[04:55] <valorie> momoe: there was one that was really bad for me too
[04:55] <valorie> Not_a_Robot_: that's krunner!
[04:55] <valorie> it saves me all the time
[04:55] <valorie> :-)
[04:56] <momoe> I really want to point ChrisLAS at them to see if he can give them a few tips. He runs a really professional rig on the Linux Action Show, and helped do the KDE Plasma 5.8 promotional video this past week.
[04:56] <momoe> At the very least help them all fix those audio settings.
[04:57] <valorie> momoe: please join #kubuntu-podcast if you want to help
[04:57] <valorie> and I believe that they have met with Chris
[04:58] <valorie> they are trying to improve every broadcast
[04:58] <valorie> and sometimes they go back and fix previous eps
[04:59] <momoe> Yeah, their audio was completely cut on a previous stream, for one of the hosts, they fixed in a later YT video
[07:21] <Smurphy> Talking about plasma 5.8 - will there be a release for KUbuntu 16.04 soon??? :}
[07:35] <acheronuk> Smurphy: once we can get 5.8 into the new dev release (17.04) then we can look at backporting to 16.04 etc. so not 'soon' as in imminently about to land, but I would hope not a huge long wait either. KDE devs seem keen to help get it into 16.04 LTS, which is a big bonus
[07:36] <Smurphy> :} Coo. Thx.,
[07:36] <Smurphy> Cool :} Sorry - Coffee not really making effect yet ...
[07:36] <Smurphy> :D
[07:37] <acheronuk> here neither. had to correct about 4 typos in that before hitting enter :P
[07:39] <Smurphy> lol :D
[08:27] <momoe> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/10/fcc-proposes-broadband-privacy-rules-despite-opposition-from-isps/
[08:27] <momoe> oops wrong chat sry
[11:41] <marcelo_> asdf
[11:42] <momoe> fdsa
[11:43] <momoe> So Kubuntu 16.10LTS is comming out this month, is there a set date?
[11:48] <hateball> !yakkety
[11:49] <hateball> momoe: I think 13th
[11:49] <momoe> *nods* I was guessing it would be mid-month. Ty @hateball
[11:49] <madeti>  I'm using kubuntu 16.04, how can I install plasma 5.8 LTS ?
[11:49] <hateball> madeti: wait for 16.10
[11:49] <momoe> ^ yes
[11:50] <madeti> :/, I don't want to leave 16.04
[11:50] <momoe> I've tried using the backports ppa, and I don't reccomend it unless you really know what you're doing
[11:50] <hateball> I dont think it is yet known/decided if 5.8 will get backported
[11:50] <madeti> won't it be made available in backports ppa?
[11:50] <hateball> due to Qt needing backporting
[11:50] <hateball> and that might break main ubuntu stuff
[11:51] <madeti> thats a shame :(
[11:51] <hateball> the price of progress!
[11:53] <Smurphy> well, 16.10 will come out this month, so we'll see what that makes.
[11:53] <madeti> a heavy price indeed!
[11:53] <madeti> :P
[13:23] <chcknrub> Romans 14:17-19
[13:23] <chcknrub> 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval. 19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.
[13:30] <sunrise> wewe
[13:30] <sunrise> #rubuntu
[13:35] <sunrise> we
[13:39] <Smurphy> chcknrub: Well - my God has a hammer, your's was nailed to a cross. Start thinking ...
[13:49] <hateball> is media frame plasmoid broken for anyone else but me? I cant add any paths to it
[13:49] <hateball> be it folder or file
[13:49] <Smurphy> Barely using plasmoids.
[13:50] <hateball> I wanted to have a plasmoid to present an amusing image daily instead of doing: i=$(curl -s http://inspirobot.me/api?generate=true); xdg-open $i
[13:51] <hateball> so wanted to wget that instead and present it on the desktop :)
[13:51] <Smurphy> Ah. Can't tell. Sorry.
[13:59] <chcknrub> wup?
[13:59] <chcknrub> now at office
[14:01] <chcknrub> i'm using kubuntu at work, stuck with lts only,
[14:01] <Smurphy> chcknrub: You have ubuntu at work? Which company u work for?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:02] <Smurphy> Hia BluesKaj
[14:02] <BluesKaj> hey Smurphy
[14:02] <chcknrub> secret, can't tell
[14:03] <Smurphy> chcknrub: Heh. You liar ;)
[14:03] <chcknrub> we are using linux for our products, so mostly everyone using linux, i  think 1000 to 2000 employees
[14:04]  * Smurphy is using KUbuntu too at his company. Most people use Windows there, devels and Field-People mac's, and 2 or 3 guys dumped Windows in favor of Linux, with no support from GIS for whatever happens.
[14:04] <Smurphy> Needless to say that the Linux guys are always the ones online ;)
[14:05] <BluesKaj> some have to hide linux from their bosses,
[14:05] <chcknrub> yup, i don't know how to use windows 10, i don't boot into it, updates wasting too much time
[14:06] <chcknrub> linux for products, we have to study it... whole system, from kernel to userspace, but i'm average user
[14:06] <Smurphy> It was actually pretty simple for me. You want me to work for your company? I want too, under the condition that I have Homeoffice, and that I am allowed to use the OS of my choice. I want both these conditions written into my employment contract.
[14:06] <Smurphy> I'm now almost 11 years at that company :)
[14:07] <chcknrub> and have to study x86 and arm too....  i still have to read on arm system
[14:07] <chcknrub> linux is way to go... windows is too close source, nothing to study
[14:18] <Smurphy> ack.
[14:38] <user|98337> heyyy
[14:38] <user|98337> how do i connect printer
[14:39] <user|98337> ?
[14:55] <chcknrub> try google
[14:55] <chcknrub> ur priinter modelll number
[16:10] <eeytan> Hi. I have a strange font issue. It seems to only happen with proprietary software (like Perforce or Android studio.) Some fonts render as extremely tall with no spaces or very tall and not render. There's an example here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/834024/some-forms-render-wrong-probably-due-to-font-problem
 How can I check Who is locking the /var/lib/dpkg/lock so I can run apt-get?
[18:27] <soee_> its system, root
[18:27] <soee_> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[18:27] <genii> Usually unattended updates
 It's a clean instalación and the display freezes with artifacts, so my first thing is to update packages
 But it have been running for like 10 mins, usually doesnt take that long
[18:47] <admini_> salam
[18:47] <admini_> az iran kasi hast?
[19:01] <Trebacz> My mouse does not respond to any changes in "pointer acceleration" or "mouse wheel scrolls by" both are set at ma 20x and 12 lines and motion is still the same. Touchpad changes work great. What am I missing?.
[19:19] <Trebacz> In kubuntu 16.04 what system controls mouse pointer? Is it evdev or xorg?
[19:48] <duno> Nějakej čech ?
[19:48] <duno> Strč prst skrs prd
[19:48] <duno> vyhul mi prdel ty píčo
[21:40] <ChetManly> someone please test a page with desktop effect enabled on 16.04 for me please?
[21:40] <ChetManly> http://freesco.sourceforge.net/
[21:41] <ChetManly> do the falling floppies get distorted?
[21:45] <ChetManly> are desktop effect still a thing in 16.04?
[21:51]  * ChetManly knocks on #kubuntu door, hears dog barking....suspects foul play
[22:05] <ChetManly> hello
[22:33] <valorie> ChetManly: there was no distortion for me
[22:33] <valorie> keep in mind that freenode is rebooting all their servers today, so there is quite a bit of turbulence
[22:40] <ChetManly> valorie: what?
[22:41] <valorie> [14:41] <ChetManly> do the falling floppies get distorted?
[22:42] <valorie> not for me
[22:43] <genii> Falling floppies?
[22:44] <acheronuk> yep
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[23:03] <ChetManly> valorie: multi monitor?
[23:04] <valorie> no, I just have a laptop
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