[04:23] <_moep_> ijohnson[m]: default value of snap refresh (I know its 4/day)
[05:48] <mardy> 'morning!
[05:58] <mborzecki> morning
[05:59] <_moep_> morning^^
[06:00] <_moep_> just for understanding: is it possible to get a personal-files interfaces for the snap teams from MS?
[06:28] <pstolowski> morning
[06:40] <_moep_> hi^^
[06:43] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[06:44] <mborzecki> _moep_: from microsoft? microsoft does not issue any assertions in the snap store
[06:44] <_moep_> yes
[06:45] <_moep_> hmm damn it
[06:46] <mborzecki> _moep_: the publisher of the teams snap can request personal-files, but if something does not work for you as an end user, you can reach out to the publisher and file bug
[06:47] <_moep_> mborzecki: I have n desktop clients which uses teams via *.deb and now I want to switch to snap without configure all settings again
[06:47] <mborzecki> _moep_: also why personal-files? isn't home enough for teams?
[06:50] <_moep_> mborzecki: no. the *.json files with the config stuff are stored in /snap/teams/5/.config/Microsoft/Microsoft Teams/preauth.json but I can copy the old from /home/user/.config/Microsoft/Mircosoft Teams/
[06:50] <_moep_> *can't
[06:53] <mborzecki> _moep_: i see, i think you should reach out to the team snap publisher and describe how you would see the migration process work
[06:53] <mborzecki> mvo: hey
[06:54] <_moep_> mborzecki: how is the way to contect the publisher?
[06:54] <_moep_> *contact
[06:55] <mborzecki> _moep_: `snap info <the-snap>` there should be a `contact` url in the output
[06:56] <mvo> hey mborzecki
[06:56] <_moep_> mborzecki: thx :)
[07:06] <_moep_> mborzecki: contact url as in store-url?
[07:06] <mborzecki> _moep_: which snap is it?
[07:06] <_moep_> mborzecki: teams
[07:09] <mborzecki> _moep_: ayy, the store page doesn't really list anything useful, htps://aka.ms/microsoftteams redirects to https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/microsoft-teams/group-chat-software tbh I have no clue, maybe there's something in the teams app help?
[07:11] <_moep_> mborzecki: ok I check it
[07:36] <abeato_> hey, one question I have, what can trigger a switch to a new channel for a snap? would that happen only if you do "snap refresh <snap> --channel=<new_channel>"?
[07:37] <zyga-mbp> hello
[07:38] <pstolowski> abeato_: that, or snap switch ...
[07:39] <abeato_> ah, snap switch, right
[07:39] <abeato_> thanks
[07:48]  * pstolowski physio
[08:28] <mardy> mmm... what did I do wrong to get into this situation? 2021-07-15T10:26:57+02:00 ERROR cannot remove snap file "test-snapd-mount-control", will retry in 3 mins: unlinkat /snap/test-snapd-mount-control/x1/bin: read-only file
[08:37] <zyga-mbp> mardy: can you show /proc/self/mountinfo
[08:37] <zyga-mbp> my guess is that /snap/ is a self-bind mount
[08:37] <zyga-mbp> and it got mounted after /snap/test-snapd-mount-control/x1
[08:37] <zyga-mbp> mardy: so you shadowed (in a way) that mount by the bind mount around /snap
[08:37] <zyga-mbp> mardy: but I'm just guessing for now, with the file we can be sure
[08:49] <pstolowski> re
[08:49] <mardy> zyga-mbp: mmm... I don't see anything weird: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SNkJHqbn69/
[08:50] <zyga-mbp> mardy: looking
[08:50] <zyga-mbp> it looks good so far
[08:50] <zyga-mbp> that is weird
[08:50] <zyga-mbp> so whatever is going on, we try to remove x1/bin
[08:50] <zyga-mbp> which is weird
[08:50] <zyga-mbp> we should never do that
[08:51] <zyga-mbp> it looks like snap remove not unmounting the mount point
[08:51] <zyga-mbp> and then ignoring the error
[08:51] <zyga-mbp> and then trying to remove recursively /snap/$SNAP_INSTANCE
[08:51] <zyga-mbp> mardy: do you have the log from snapd?
[08:55] <mardy> zyga-mbp: here it is: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wf8wsMxkmx/
[08:55] <zyga-mbp> interesting
[08:55] <zyga-mbp> what's with x2? the mount table had x1 mounted, no?
[08:56] <zyga-mbp> 158 31 7:10 / /snap/test-snapd-mount-control/x1 ro,nodev,relatime shared:89 - squashfs /dev/loop10 ro
[08:56] <zyga-mbp> does snap list --all show x1, x2 or both?
[08:56] <mardy> zyga-mbp: yes, x1 is the only one mounted
[08:57] <zyga-mbp> but you did have x2 at some point
[08:57] <mardy> test-snapd-mount-control  1.0        x1     -              -                  disabled
[08:57] <zyga-mbp> are you using snap try?
[08:57] <mardy> test-snapd-mount-control             x2     -              -                  disabled,broken
[08:57] <mardy> nope
[08:57] <zyga-mbp> or snap install --local?
[08:57] <mardy> no, I do a "snap pack", then install with --dangerous
[08:57] <zyga-mbp> right
[08:58] <zyga-mbp> whatever happened, the state is a bit messed up
[08:58] <zyga-mbp> you can try to mount x3
[08:58] <zyga-mbp> s/x3/x2/
[08:58] <zyga-mbp> and remove it again
[08:58] <zyga-mbp> but I'm not exactly sure what happened there
[08:58] <mardy> you mean manually?
[08:58] <zyga-mbp> yeah
[09:00] <zyga-mbp> enough to let it remove cleanly
[09:04] <mardy> zyga-mbp: it didn't help. But umounting did, so finally it's removed
[09:05] <zyga-mbp> ha
[09:05] <zyga-mbp> right
[09:05] <zyga-mbp> unmounted (broken) snaps are easier to remove
[09:05] <zyga-mbp> but check if it left any junk behind
[09:37] <mardy> pedronis: I think that the failures in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10438 are not related to my changes, can you please double-check and merge (please do squash the commits)?
[09:38] <pedronis> mardy: in meetings, but yes I wanted to do that
[10:03] <pedronis> mardy: done
[10:10] <mardy> \o/ thanks pedronis!
[11:09] <pedronis> thank you
[11:54] <mborzecki> pedronis: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10510 has been updated with the changes we discussed, i think i got all of them, also added that unit test for repeated set-model execution whcih should mimic what happens after reboot
[11:54] <mborzecki> and that test was super annoying to write in a way that i can still change the status of the task
[11:56] <pedronis> mborzecki: thx, I'll see if I can get to it today or tomorrow morning
[11:57] <mborzecki> pedronis: cool, thanks!
[14:22] <ijohnson[m]> degville: how often does https://snapcraft.io/docs/snapd-roadmap get synced back with https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/the-snapd-roadmap/1973 ? I just made some changes to the forum post last night and they haven't appeared yet today in the docs site
[14:23] <ijohnson[m]> oh well now it's updated
[14:23] <degville> ijohnson[m]: it's usually just a few minutes. But I've noticed the same thing over the last few days.
[14:24] <ijohnson[m]> yeah a bit odd, but it's updated now so not a big deal
[14:30] <ogra> perhaps the intern that operates the update crank is on vacation ...
[14:39] <cachio> ijohnson[m], which is the pr to fix the error in snapd-refresh-vs-services-reboots test?
[14:39] <cachio> is it already merged?
[14:42] <ijohnson[m]> cachio: the pr is https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10532
[14:45]  * ijohnson[m] hopes cachio didn't quit just because he saw my pr and all my bash mistakes
[14:47] <cachio> ijohnson[m], tx
[15:04] <ijohnson[m]> cachio: also why you couldn't reproduce that error locally is that it only shows up when both variants of the test are run on the same system
[15:04] <ijohnson[m]> if you set workers to 1 for uc18 system in spread.yaml, and then run spread --debug google:ubuntu-core-18-64:tests/core/snapd-refresh-vs-services you can reproduce it 100%
[15:04] <cachio> ah, ok
[15:04] <ijohnson[m]> but it should be fixed by this PR
[15:05] <cachio> yes, already reviewed the PR
[15:05] <cachio> thanks for creating it
[15:05] <ijohnson[m]> np, I'm testing the suggestion from mardy I had to modify it slightly to make shellcheck happy
[15:15] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: don't bother spending toomuch time on it :-)
[15:16] <ijohnson[m]> ah it's just running in the background while I work on other things, it's not costing me any time at the moment
[15:16] <mardy> any idea why "systemctl show" returns What=tmpfs instead of What=/tmp/real/path of a mount unit?
[15:16] <mardy> the mount unit file has the correct What
[15:16] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: I would expect the Where= to be /tmp/real/path no ?
[15:17] <ijohnson[m]> i.e. I do locally `mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /tmp/real/path`
[15:17] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: yes, Where is the correct mount point. But what about the mount source?
[15:17] <ijohnson[m]> the mount source for a tmpfs doesn't really exist, it's just a tmpfs
[15:17] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: I did mount /tmp/real/path /somehere/else
[15:18] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: hmm and /tmp/real/path is a tmpfs ?
[15:18] <ijohnson[m]> I'm confused, were you trying to do a bind mount of /tmp/real/path to /somewhere/else ?
[15:18] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: well, /tmp is a tmpfs
[15:18] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: yes
[15:19] <ijohnson[m]> so you need to specify that it is a bind mount
[15:19] <ijohnson[m]> also just because /tmp is a tmpfs does not mean that /tmp/real/path is a tmpfs
[15:20] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: yes, sorry for not specifying it, but I did it, and it works fine. Now the question is about getting the right information about this mount unit from systemd
[15:21] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: so when you created the bind mount from /tmp/real/path to /somewhere/else, was that specified as a bind mount? if it was then it should show up with the proper what and where in systemctl show
[15:21] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: basically I'm wondering did you create a bind mount or did you accidentally mount _another_ tmpfs at /somewhere/else
[15:21] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: if you have the output of /proc/self/mounts from inside that mount namespace that might be helpful
[15:23] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: so, I created this unit file: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fJHZ8GYSXv/
[15:23] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: then I started it
[15:24] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: and proc/self/mounts says: tmpfs /var/snap/test-snapd-mount-control/common/ciao tmpfs rw,noatime 0 0
[15:25] <mardy> it never shows the real source dir for bind mounts
[15:26] <mardy> I have a couple of them on my home, and it only shows the source *device* (i.e., /dev/sdb1) and not the precise dir
[15:26] <ijohnson[m]> ah yeah you're right I see that now
[15:26] <ijohnson[m]> hmm for what it's worth I see it in /proc/self/mountinfo as showing the "real" source
[15:27] <mardy> I *almost* see the real source:
[15:27] <mardy> 1095 31 0:47 /test/wow /var/snap/test-snapd-mount-control/common/ciao rw,noatime shared:63 - tmpfs tmpfs rw
[15:28] <mardy> it shows /test/wow, but it should be /tmp/test/wow
[15:29] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: anyway, the reason why I'm doing this is to implement support for "snapctl umount <what-or-where>":
[15:29] <mardy> if I pass the "where", it works fine; if I pass "what", it does not find anything in this case
[15:29] <mardy> but maybe it's acceptable?
[15:30] <ijohnson[m]> hmm
[15:31] <ijohnson[m]> does umount support providing what or where ?
[15:37] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: systemd-umount does, at least according to the docs; umount(8) doesn't
[15:37] <mardy> I mean, umount(8) supports only where
[15:37] <ijohnson[m]> are we just trying to have feature parity or is there a reason we can't be like umount and just support where ?
[15:42] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: I guess it's a question for pedronis; I'll add it as a comment to the google doc
[15:57] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: mvo #10519 is green (mostly), has 2 +1s and will unbreak the delta-refresh tests which are failing on master, can one of y'all land it please?
[15:57] <mvo> ijohnson[m]: sure
[15:58] <ijohnson[m]> \o/
[15:58] <mvo> done
[16:00] <ijohnson[m]> thanks mvo
[16:03]  * cachio lunch
[16:38] <cachio> ijohnson[m], new error https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10409/checks?check_run_id=3078069760#step:5:1538
[16:38] <cachio> it is related to cloud init
[16:38] <cachio> have you seen that before?
[16:43]  * ijohnson[m] looks for the nearest table to flip over
[16:44] <ijohnson[m]> cachio: no I haven't seen that, I really question the utility of cloud-init for ubuntu core
[16:44] <ijohnson[m]> cachio: but anyways I think the right thing is to just make all calls to cloud-init be wrapper in retry
[16:46] <cachio> ijohnson[m], ok, makes sense
[16:46] <cachio> I'll update the branch in that case
[16:46] <cachio> thanks
[18:13]  * ijohnson[m] afk for a while


[04:05] <pleia2> jose: since the FOSDEM CFP isn't strictly what we include, I've put it under "other articles of interest"
[04:05] <pleia2> (even if it is the distributions devroom)
[04:52] <guiverc_t> UWN:  not much in planet in my opinion.  the couple? i added went elsewhere (insight etc), the planet ones there i marked as last-week/hardly-of-note, the rest I skipped.


[02:54] <lotuspsychje> !info uget
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: ^^
[03:39] <daftykins> yay
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> :p
[04:06] <Ben64> lotuspsychje: ?
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> can i pm
[04:07] <Ben64> yeah
[10:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> !info xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> !info xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu trusty
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> right
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[17:34] <pauljw> hi everyone
[17:58] <pauljw> wb EriC^^
[17:58] <EriC^^> thanks pauljw
[17:58] <EriC^^> how are you?
[17:59] <pauljw> doing well thanks, cold and snowy here today.  :)  how about yourself?
[18:00] <EriC^^> good thanks :)
[18:02] <BluesKaj> yeah, snowing and cold here too, blustery
[18:05] <BluesKaj> well it is winter in Northern Ontario. Gotta expect it sooner or later despite the mild temps we've been having :-)
[18:06] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: Same here in Arkansas. This is our 1st cool spell . Has been very plesant to this time for Winter .
[18:07] <BluesKaj> Arkansas, you guys actually get winter down there? :-)
[18:08] <Bashing-om> :) Warm Blooded Southern Boy !
[18:09] <pauljw> i'm in indiana and this is our first cold and snow of the year, love it.  :)
[18:10] <Bashing-om> Yesterday's snow and ice went South of me here .. I am glad to say .
[18:10] <BluesKaj> I'm a norherner thru and thru, was born north of Helsinki Finland
[18:11] <pauljw> :)
[18:12] <BluesKaj> these old kness prevent me from participating in winter sports, so I sit in my easy chair and fool with Linux :-)
[18:12] <BluesKaj> knees even
[18:12] <Bashing-om> And that cold is invigorating - rejuvinating effect on some ... However. I spent a Winter in Chicago - once - .
[18:14] <BluesKaj> yeah, winter can be nasty there
[18:15] <pauljw> lake effect is bad in that area
[18:16] <Bashing-om> Yeah .. I did survive .. Amazed me every time mu ole car started in that cold .
[18:17] <BluesKaj> I'm 15mi from what's known as the North Shore/Channel on Georgian Bay/Lake Huron and we do get some lake effects snows
[18:18] <pauljw> :) i spent about 5yrs in MN in the early '80s and had an '82 diesel rabbit and one morning i came out from work to go home and my fuel had gel'd in the tank, i had to take a trash lid and charcoal and build a fire under the tank to get it to flow again.
[18:20] <BluesKaj> whoa ..
[18:22] <pauljw> after that, i'd go out at lunch time and start the car and let it run for the rest of the night. :)
[18:23] <BluesKaj> sounds like you may have had some condensation in your fuel tank
[18:25] <BluesKaj> that's a problem here when the temps get down past -15F , so most ppl add gas line antfreeze/alcohol to their fuel tanks
[18:25] <EriC^^> that's pretty resourceful
[18:25] <BluesKaj> absorbs the water in the fuel
[18:25] <pauljw> don't think so, it's just the nature of diesel fuel.  many manufacturers offer tank heaters
[18:25] <EriC^^> i mean the using a trash lid and charcoal
[18:26] <pauljw> :)
[18:26] <EriC^^> i didn't know rabbits came in diesel btw
[18:26] <EriC^^> i had a mk2 16v as a first car, loved it dearly
[18:26] <BluesKaj> ok , don't know anyone with a deisel engine in their vehicle
[18:26] <pauljw> i loved that car
[18:30] <pauljw> BluesKaj, you are right with gasoline, i've used more than my share of fuel-dri..
[18:30] <BluesKaj> I'm keeping my old taurus running for another yr before I trade it, only 55K Mi on it so it still runs fine.
[18:30] <pauljw> just getting broken in!!
[18:32] <BluesKaj> yeah, we don't have to drive very far to shop etc and we visit our kids a couple times/yr ,but not much driving otherwise
[18:34] <BluesKaj> kids are 300mi and 450 mi away respectively, so not a lot of milage really
[18:34] <pauljw> i hope to get another 10 years from both of my vehicles, the '04 Trailblazer only has 82,000mi and the '03 Ranger Edge 4x4 has about 122,000.  now that i'm retired, i won't be putting too many miles on the Ranger and will use the chevy for road trips to see the grandkids in Wisconsin.
[18:38] <BluesKaj> the taurus is 11 yrs old, an '05 and we travel to Windsor/Detroit to visit our son and his family and my daughters and grandkids live in Toronto
[18:38] <pauljw> :)
[18:39] <BluesKaj> enjoying my retirement as well pauljw
[18:39] <pauljw> nice
[18:41] <BluesKaj> had an old f150, but it finally died after close to 30yrs
[18:41] <BluesKaj> it was a beater when I bought it and I drove that thing for 13 yrs
[18:41] <pauljw> with just a bit of care it's amazing how long these beasts can last
[18:42] <BluesKaj> truly
[18:43] <BluesKaj> I miss having a truck :/
[18:44] <pauljw> they are handy
[18:45]  * BluesKaj nods
[18:47] <Bashing-om> Pats my old '82 Toyota .. most a million miles on it and still reliable .
[18:48] <pauljw> my ranger came with a topper and i was originally gonna take it off and sell it but didn't and now i'm glad i kept it.  i've yet to need to haul anything that wouldn't fit and i don't have to worry about anything falling out of it on my way to the dump/recycling center.
[18:48] <pauljw> Bashing-om, that's remarkable
[18:49] <Bashing-om> Just keep the oil and filters changed, run good gas in it .. good to go .
[18:49] <pauljw> :)
[18:58] <BluesKaj> bbiab, just reinstalled kubuntu 14.04 and still doing some upgrades
[19:02] <pauljw> wb
[19:06] <BluesKaj> thanks
[19:21] <pauljw> bbl
[20:45] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[20:45] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^ all ok mate?
[20:45] <EriC^^> yeah :D
[20:45] <EriC^^> you good?
[20:45] <lotuspsychje> fine fine tnx :p
[20:46] <EriC^^> my car's dead
[20:46] <lotuspsychje> ouch, what you did?
[20:46] <EriC^^> the battery is dead
[20:46] <lotuspsychje> awww
[20:46] <EriC^^> won't start, i think it died cause of the cold
[20:46] <nicomachus> bad cell. :/
[20:46] <nicomachus> got a charger?
[20:46] <nicomachus> or jumper cables and a friendly neighbor?
[20:47] <EriC^^> nope no charger
[20:47] <EriC^^> or jumper cables
[20:47] <nicomachus> ah. they are a solid investment.
[20:47] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Battery died on my pickup too . Will get it replaced tomorrow :)
[20:47] <EriC^^> i'm going to try something tomorrow
[20:48] <EriC^^> crushed aspirin is supposed to give it enough oomph for another crank
[20:48] <EriC^^> never tried it before, but what the heck
[20:48] <EriC^^> i'll put some crushed aspirin and try to crank it, if it starts i'll drive to the nearest shop and get another battery
[20:49] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Never heard of that one . If it works, a good thing to know .
[20:49] <nicomachus> have them check the battery first! it may just be cold and not need replacing
[20:49] <EriC^^> yeah, it supposedly can let a battery crank but it shortens the life of the battery, it's like in case you're stranded somewhere it's good to keep some aspirin for that
[20:50] <EriC^^> nicomachus: it's like 3-4 years old, been meaning to replace it but it was still working fine and i was lazy
[20:50] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: nicomachus ^^ +1 . If it is cold, oil is thick and the engine is HARD to turn over .
[20:51] <EriC^^> nah, i have a turbo timer in it and it shows the battery voltage
[20:51] <EriC^^> it was like 8-9v
[20:51] <EriC^^> it's pretty flat lined
[20:51] <EriC^^> :|
[20:54] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: we payed like 180 euro for new batter last time for nissan almera : |
[20:54] <EriC^^> damn, that's expensive
[20:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[20:54] <EriC^^> it's like $70 for 62amps batteries here
[20:55] <nicomachus> EriC^^: you're in the US, right?
[20:55] <EriC^^> no, lebanon
[20:55] <nicomachus> ah. probably don't have US auto parts stores then. haha
[20:55] <EriC^^> lol nah
[20:57] <lotuspsychje> soon we will all sit n drink in the back of an ubuntu car, driving us around lol
[21:17] <nicomachus> bogdan must have a short memory...
[21:17] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:19] <OerHeks> :-D
[21:22] <nicomachus> interesting bug exposed in Nvidia drivers that seems to "break" incognito mode on Chrome: https://charliehorse55.wordpress.com/2016/01/09/how-nvidia-breaks-chrome-incognito/
[21:23] <nicomachus> warning: heavily censored pornography.
[21:23] <nicomachus> users report similar behavior with the nouveau driver on linux as well as windows.
[21:24] <OerHeks> sounds like a trim issue for GPU's
[21:24] <OerHeks> :-D
[23:20] <nicomachus> any of you guys any good with python?
[23:21] <EriC^^> i think DosTuMai is a python junkie


[00:02] <bludude> is it ever going to be possible to translate .xml files?
[00:12] <lifeless> bludude: in general? no more or less so than .c files : it all depends on something to extract (and export) the strings to translate
[00:13] <lifeless> bludude: LP has a pluggable design for this, so you could write a module to teach LP about whatever app you are interested in that uses .xml files
[00:25] <wgrant> bludude: Do you know about xml2po?
[00:27] <bludude> I know about it, but I don't have time to keep converting stuff
[00:28] <bludude> Is there a documentation format that LP can natively translate? I'd prefer a seamless solution.
[00:30] <wgrant> We only support PO and Mozilla's XPI.
[00:32] <bludude> ok, thanks. I know xml compatibility was tossed around as a google soc idea, but nobody actually did it :(
[01:07] <george_e> I'm getting weird errors when importing an SVN branch...
[01:07] <george_e> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/77483830/george-edison55-fltk-trunk.log
[01:15] <mwhudson> george_e: looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/824933, which suggests that a bzr-svn update on lp will fix it
[01:16] <george_e> mwhudson: Also, if I create a branch that imports from say, a Mercurial repo., must I delete the branch and recreate it if the URL for the repo. changes?
[01:17] <mwhudson> george_e: launchpad developers and admins can change the url
[01:22] <george_e> mwhudson: More trouble, I'm afraid: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/77485683/george-edison55-dillo-trunk.log
[01:22] <george_e> It's saying something about an HTTP 400 error.
[01:22] <george_e> ...but I can checkout the repo. locally just fine.
[01:22] <mwhudson> bzr-hg isn't nearly as mature as bzr-svn or bzr-git
[01:22] <george_e> Could I try bzr-hg locally?
[01:23] <mwhudson> (it's also possible the version on lp needs an update)
[01:23] <mwhudson> sure
[01:23] <george_e> What package do I need?
[01:23] <mwhudson> guess :)
[01:23] <mwhudson> although bzr-hg tip is probably a better bet
[01:23] <mwhudson> (bzr branch lp:bzr-hg ~/.bazaar/plugins/hg)
[01:25] <george_e> Thanks.
[01:28] <george_e> mwhudson: Okay, I checked out that branch to ~/.bazaar/plugins/hg and ran 'sudo python setup.py install'
[01:29] <george_e> ...but the command bzr-hg is not available.
[01:29] <mwhudson> george_e: you didn'
[01:29] <george_e> Am I doing it right?
[01:29] <mwhudson> george_e: you didn't need to do that last steip
[01:29] <george_e> I didn't?
[01:29] <george_e> What command do I run?
[01:29] <mwhudson> george_e: it's not a command bzr-hg, the plugin makes "bzr branch" understand mercurial repos
[01:29] <george_e> Oooooooh.
[01:29] <george_e> I get it now.
[01:29] <mwhudson> so you can now say bzr branch http://bitbucket.com/adsadas
[01:30] <george_e> Aha! Now I can repro. the 400 error.
[01:30] <george_e> Thank you./
[01:31] <george_e> Now to get it working...
[01:31] <mwhudson> george_e: feel free to look through the bugs on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-hg and file a new one if you can't find it already
[01:31] <george_e> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-hg/+bug/821900
[01:32] <george_e> Probably that one.
[01:32] <mwhudson> seems likely
[01:33] <george_e> I added a comment and marked that 'it affects me'.
[01:33] <george_e> I guess that's all I can do.
[01:34] <mwhudson> unless you know a lot about both mercurial and bazaar, i guess so too
[01:34] <mwhudson> jelmer seems to be on the case though
[02:27]  * chihchun got question about source build receipt
[02:28] <chihchun> where I can setup  a new daily build? from the project page or team/personal account page?
[02:36] <george_e> chihchun: You need to join the daily builds team first I think.
[02:36] <george_e> Then you will find an option 'Create packaging recipe' on a branch's page.
[02:37] <chihchun> humm...
[02:38] <chihchun> I can create receipt in a team now, just confused where I can/should do this
[05:07] <MTecknology> Could someone make me the owner of this recipe? https://code.launchpad.net/~registry/+recipe/jailkit
[05:10] <MTecknology> I suppose everyone is sleeping....
[05:12] <nigelb> I doubt.
[05:12] <MTecknology> nigelb: you doubt what?
[05:13] <nigelb> I doubt everyone's sleeping :)
[05:13] <nigelb> Did you try opening a question against LP?
[05:13] <micahg> MTecknology: I think support comes on in 4 hrs
[05:13] <MTecknology> nigelb: i meant anyone that can do it
[05:13] <MTecknology> i'm doing the question now
[05:16] <MTecknology> nigelb: and askedededed
[05:16] <MTecknology> https://code.launchpad.net/~registry/+recipe/jailkit
[05:16] <MTecknology> er- didn't mean to paste that, sorry
[05:16] <nigelb> heh
[05:17] <MTecknology> now the waiting game!
[05:25] <MTecknology> micahg: but i'm more important than people that sleep...
[05:25] <MTecknology> I think they should give me higher build priority because of how awesome i am
[05:40] <cemc> hi. I'm trying to upload a package for building to my ppa but I'm keep getting: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/668904/ . but I would like to upload the new source tarball. how can I do that?
[05:43] <MTecknology> !away > michaelh1|away
[05:43] <wgrant> cemc: You can't upload the same file with different contents.
[05:44] <cemc> wgrant: is there a way to remove the old orig tarball?
[05:44] <wgrant> cemc: No.
[05:44] <wgrant> You need to give it a different name.
[05:45] <wgrant> It's clearly not the same version.
[05:45] <cemc> I've deleted all the packages that were built with it, from that ppa
[05:45] <wgrant> You cannot upload two files with the same version but different contents to a single archive.
[05:45] <wgrant> That doesn't make sense.
[05:45] <wgrant> Because they are obviously not the same version if they differ.
[05:45] <cemc> I was stupid and named the other one the same as this one...
[05:46] <cemc> when I shouldn't have
[05:46] <cemc> but this one is the original. is there no way to delete the other one? that one was made by me and this one I want to 'backport'
[05:46] <wgrant> There is no way.
[05:47] <cemc> well that sucks ;)
[05:47] <cemc> thanks anyway
[05:48] <MTecknology> cemc: debian based stuff is preety strict
[05:49] <MTecknology> it makes things harder sometimes, but the policies are all there for a good reason, such as reducing the chances of conflicting data/versions
[05:50] <cemc> I understand that. but why there is no way to remove something old completely from my ppa. as if it was never uploaded. if I delete the whole ppa and start a new one, would that allow me to upload the new tarball to the new ppa?
[05:50] <wgrant> It gets really confusing for people, Launchpad, apt and dpkg if an archive has multiple files by the same name.
[05:50] <wgrant> You can't presently recreate a PPA with the same name.
[05:51] <MTecknology> cemc: there's always the chance that smoething archived the wrong stuff
[05:51] <cemc> right
[05:51] <cemc> like me in this instance ;)
[05:52] <MTecknology> even if you only uploaded ond deleted before a a build... always have to assume it could have happened
[05:52] <cemc> well not really but I did it wrong I guess...
[05:53] <MTecknology> debian is an overly pedantic distro, when you get into it, you'll very much appreciate that
[05:54] <cemc> lesson learned I guess :)
[05:54] <MTecknology> yup- you'll learn many more
[05:55] <cemc> thanks guys
[07:04] <MTecknology> 3 days for ppa builds......
[07:41] <nigelb> gah, can I unsubscribe ~ubuntu-members from https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers/gui-ufw/symbolic-add-remove/+merge/71995
[07:42] <nigelb> the branch is in the ubuntumembers ownership which is going to spam about 600 people unnecessarily.
[07:47] <wgrant> nigelb: Go to the proposed branch (https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers/gui-ufw/symbolic-add-remove) and use the edit link on the side.
[07:49] <nigelb> yay! done :)
[07:49] <nigelb> wgrant: Thanks! (I'm glad you're around during vacation :P)
[10:00] <soren> I'm having serious problems with authentication against Launchpad.
[10:00] <soren> One moment, I'm authenticated, the next I'm not.
[10:00] <soren> henninge: ^
[10:01] <soren> And I know I'm not alone with this problem.
[10:04] <henninge> soren: I think there is something going on, let me check.
[10:04] <soren> henninge: ta
[10:10] <henninge> soren: We had to update the session secret for LP but the appserver cached the old secret, hence the log-in and out, depending on which app server you hit.
[10:10] <soren> henninge: Ok, so once I've hit all the app servers, it should be fine?
[10:10] <henninge> soren: the appservers have been restarted now to clear their caches
[10:10] <soren> \o/
[10:10] <henninge> so the issue should be gone now.
[10:10] <soren> henninge: Excellent, thanks.
[10:11] <henninge> soren: welcome
[11:37] <dieck> does someone know if I can search for first introduced code text in a Bazaar Explorer log for a file? to find out at which revision that was introduced?
[12:15] <adeuring> dieck: bzr annotate filename
[12:36] <deskro> hello
[12:38] <deskro> is missing in the package binnaire qdus on libqt4-dbus_4.7.3-4ubuntu5_i386.deb Oneiric Ocelot 11.10
[13:10] <MTecknology> The package build queue is ridiculous....
[13:17] <geser> MTecknology: archive rebuild in progress but as usual it should have only a low priority
[13:22] <MTecknology> geser: oooooh...
[13:23] <MTecknology> geser: I just usually pich the crappy times then, huh?
[13:23] <MTecknology> henninge: https://code.launchpad.net/~registry/+recipe/jailkit  <-- the owner didn't get changed on this
[13:24] <henninge> MTecknology: I think I clicked the URL and got a 404 but now it worked ...
[13:25] <MTecknology> henninge: i refreshed and got that..
[13:25] <henninge> yeah, I misclicked ...
[13:25] <henninge> now I am the owner ...
[13:25] <MTecknology> i see that
[13:26] <MTecknology> https://code.launchpad.net/~henninge/+recipe/jailkit
[13:26] <henninge> hm, I can only change to teams that I am a member of ...
[13:27] <MTecknology> i'll add you to it
[13:27] <henninge> yup, that would help
[13:27] <MTecknology> done
[13:28] <henninge> MTecknology: https://code.launchpad.net/~jailkit/+recipe/jailkit
[13:28] <henninge> ;-)
[13:28] <henninge> you can remove me again
[13:28] <MTecknology> thanks!
[13:28] <henninge> np
[13:33] <MTecknology> henninge: and now it's all fixed... in 3 days, it'll be ready for people to use...
[14:05] <beatpanic> afternoon all! I'm writing test for my little launchpadlib based program, is it possible to write tests without querying directly launchpad (i.e. offline?) -- maybe by simulating launchpad functionality? thanks
[14:15] <dieck> beatpanic: i think you can always branch launchpad itself and run it locally? Though I don't know if all api based functionality is available then
[14:17] <beatpanic> dieck, mmm, too much overkill probably but it's an idea, in the meanwhile I was looking at python-launchpadlib tests
[14:20] <soren> beatpanic: I'd create a fake launchpadlib that just returned canned responses.
[14:21] <soren> beatpanic: So for my tests I'd replace launchpadlib rather than what launchpadlib expects to talk to.
[14:21] <soren> beatpanic: Does that make sense?
[14:22] <beatpanic> soren, yep makes sense I'll experiment a bit thanks
[14:23] <soren> beatpanic: np
[14:23] <tumbleweed> you can get somewhere with mocking systems (pymock / mox), but if you are using a lot of launchpadlib directly, it gets painful
[14:24] <beatpanic> tumbleweed, yep, I was thinking about pymock, never used it so much, but I'll try -- thanks again guys
[14:43] <deryck> adeuring, my turn at IRC now.
[14:43] <adeuring> deryck: thanks!
[16:32] <james_w> hi, it seems that some people are having troubles uploading larger tarballs to LP https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/816938
[16:32] <james_w> is there anything that can be done to help them achieve their goal?
[17:10] <ahasenack> which url do I need to use to have this bug focused in the ubuntu task? https://bugs.launchpad.net/landscape-client/+bug/813477
[17:12] <paultag> Howdy, a build just failed because of a chroot problem on shipova -- https://launchpad.net/~fluxbox-maintainers/+archive/nightly/+build/2718380
[17:13] <paultag> Just letting ya'll know, I'll retry later on tonight, but figured I'd poke ya'll
[17:14] <paultag> glibc barfed :)
[17:14] <paultag> (oh because of the supdoers, right, I should read more)
[17:16]  * ahasenack starts guessing urls
[17:17] <deryck> ahasenack, do you want this?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/landscape-client/+bug/813477
[17:17] <deryck> ahasenack, or the task above that one?
[17:17] <ahasenack> deryck: one up
[17:17] <deryck> ahasenack, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/landscape-client/+bug/813477
[17:17] <ahasenack> deryck: thanks
[17:18] <deryck> ahasenack, np!
[17:18] <ahasenack> so /ubuntu/+source/<package>/+bug/<bugid>
[17:18] <ahasenack> a little "select" icon wouldn't hurt ;)
[17:18] <ahasenack> that being said, it doesn't allow me to nominate for a release, so this was in vain
[17:41] <syke> I got a crash of colord on boot, and when trying to submit the crash detail I get this from launchpad:
[17:42] <syke> "Unexpected form data
[17:42] <syke> Launchpad doesn't understand the form data submitted in this request."
[17:42] <syke> known problem?
[17:49] <deryck> syke, not that I know of.  Can you file a bug against launchpad?
[17:49] <syke> deryck: nope, let me try that
[17:49] <syke> I didn't know if there was a fundamental infrastructure problem
[17:51] <syke> ah, it looks related to this:
[17:51] <syke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/663984
[17:51] <syke> I'm using chromium as well
[17:51] <syke> ack, that bug is almost a year old :(
[17:53] <syke> ok, pasting the giant url from chromium into firefox allowed me to file the bug
[17:53] <syke> thanks!
[18:19] <deryck> abentley, over to you now.
[18:20] <abentley> deryck: roger.
[19:57] <james_w> hi, it seems that some people are having troubles uploading larger tarballs to LP https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/816938 has just been hit by someone else
[19:57] <james_w> could someone advise as to whether there may be a problem with Launchpad?
[20:11] <abentley> james_w: that sounds like  a problem with launchpad.
[20:33] <tr0xan> man antom
[20:33] <tr0xan> man antom
[20:33] <tr0xan> man antom
[20:33] <sarhan> hello guys
[20:33] <tr0xan> man antom
[20:34] <tr0xan> :p
[20:34] <sarhan> we are the jerdhan !
[20:34] <tr0xan> ZENGA ZENGA
[20:34] <Neo31> tr0xan stop it please
[20:35] <tr0xan> na99as mellougha el 5achabia Neo31 5irellek
[20:36] <Neo31> Hello guys, we hare having some problems with users registering to your loco dir event here http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-tn/1159/detail/  it shows "openiduser526" with a broken link to their launchpad account. Any help please!?
[21:09] <ripps> I'm having trouble with one of the launchpad autobuilders, it says that it's missing a dependency in hardy, but I have that dependency in my ppa already, why isn't it using it?
[21:27] <deskro> [14:38:34] <deskro> is missing in the package binnaire qdus on libqt4-dbus_4.7.3-4ubuntu5_i386.deb Oneiric Ocelot 11.10  < new package qdbus arrived thanks
[21:27] <deskro> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/qdbus


[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[07:46] <smartboyhw> Hello dholbach
[07:47] <dholbach> hi smartboyhw
[09:27]  * dholbach walks over to the office, brb
[09:29] <smartboyhw> mhall119, very interesting comic by bkerensa :P
[09:29] <smartboyhw> http://benjaminkerensa.com/2013/09/09/xmir-patch-revert-comic
[09:34] <popey> I've read that comic about 8 times now. I don't get it.
[09:35] <jussi> popey: me neither
[09:36] <smartboyhw> popey, at least I know the person on the right is mhall119. But I can't seem to find the joke point either. Sounds more like a descriptive comic more than a joke comic
[10:23] <Tm_T> I don't think it's meant to be joke at all, but I don't see the storyline there either
[13:21] <dholbach> brb
[13:34] <dholbach> hum, chromium has no address bar?
[13:34] <smartboyhw> dholbach, heh
[13:34] <dholbach> is that normal now?
[13:35] <dholbach> ah, now it's back
[13:35] <dholbach> WEIRD
[13:36] <PabloRubianes> dholbach: if you are using a webapp you get no adressbar
[13:36] <PabloRubianes> in chromium
[13:38] <dholbach> I just started chromium on its own
[13:38] <dholbach> anyhow, it works now :)
[13:47] <smartboyhw> dholbach, damn it, I'm getting no website bars as well (in Kubuntu, so not a webapp-.-)
[13:51] <smartboyhw> A restart fixes it
[13:57] <jcastro> dholbach: juju section is all set.
[13:57] <dholbach> jcastroawesome
[13:58] <dholbach> jcastroa: wesome
[13:58] <dholbach> bah
[14:43] <jcastro> hah
[15:01] <jono> dholbach, all set?
[15:55] <marcoceppi> jcastro: what's your leaf count?
[15:56] <jcastro> 28
[15:56] <marcoceppi> jcastro: nice! you got me, 27 here
[15:56] <jcastro> wait
[15:56] <jcastro> WHAT
[16:27] <jcastro> jono: no metal on your app?
[16:28] <jcastro> blasphemy!
[16:28] <jono> jcastro, not yet :-)
[16:28] <jono> maybe I should add an easter egg :-)
[16:29] <jcastro> I have lullaby metallica stuff btw
[16:29] <jcastro> it's my ringtone
[17:01] <jcastro> dholbach: what's the irc channel?
[17:03] <dholbach> jcastro, #ubuntu-on-air
[17:03] <jcastro> got it thanks
[17:51]  * dholbach calls it a day - see you tomorrow


[00:08] <pleia2> let some emails through the queue from august (oops), clearly, I could still use some help staying on top of list moderation since the other admins have disappeared :)
[00:09] <pleia2> (they were held because people used alternate addresses from what they subscribed as)


[00:25] <noalternative> fossdemfreedom:thanks for the pointers, but I think you meant budgie-desktop-settings/top panel/desktop time and date/settings
[00:27] <noalternative> btw, I think I accedently set autologin when I set it up.  How do I get the login screen back.
[00:36] <noalternative> anyone?
[15:36] <bashfulrobot> noalternative do you have `snapd-xdg-open` installed?
[15:36] <bashfulrobot> I personally think it should be installed by default
[15:36] <bashfulrobot> (if it is not already)


[00:13] <AminosAmigos> It didn't :/
[00:15] <AminosAmigos> checking this
[00:15] <AminosAmigos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mlterm
[17:10] <Soprano> Salam tout le monde
[17:10] <Fanen> salem
[17:11] <Soprano> J'ai un probléme avec mysql Access denied for user 'www-data'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[17:21] <ounis> Soprano is you mysql server configured correctly?
[17:24] <Soprano> ounis: je travaille sur un serveur virtuel ( VPS ) pas sur mon Local, normalement je sais pas  parceque j'ai installer mysql-server et phpmyadmin avec les commandes ( apt-get install mysql-server , apt-get install phpmyadmin) , j'ai essayé avant avec un autre VPS et ca marché normal mais celui la non
[17:24] <ounis> >:o phpmyadmin!!!!!
[17:24] <Soprano> alors je sais pas s'il est configuré correctement
[17:25] <ounis> that's for clickers & n00bs
[17:25] <ounis> try to connect using the CLI
[17:27] <ounis> > mysql -u root
[17:28] <ounis> is your code in php ?
[17:29] <ounis> does it look like this mysql_connect(“localhost”, “www-data”);
[17:29] <ounis> Soprano ?
[17:30] <Soprano>  mysql -u root ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[17:30] <ounis> did you setup a password for root on mysql?
[17:31] <Soprano> non
[17:32] <ounis> try this to reset your root password http://www.howtoforge.com/reset-forgotten-mysql-root-password
[17:32] <ounis> Soprano
[17:32] <ounis> wait a second
[17:32] <ounis> before trying that
[17:33] <ounis> did you check if mysqld is running?
[17:34] <Soprano> yes it's running
[17:34] <ounis> and please please Soprano don't use phpmyadmin anymore , it's one among the worst tools for web developpers ever
[17:34] <ounis> does the phpmyadmin succeede in connecting to mysql?
[17:35] <Soprano> yep
[17:35] <ounis> what password did you setup for phpmyadmin?
[17:35] <ounis> maybe there is a default password
[17:36] <Soprano> no, the password of phpmyadmin i set another one
[17:36] <ounis> I don't know very well that tool but I hate it from the small things I know about it
[17:36] <ounis> then use that another one
[17:36] <Soprano> i have used it , same problem
[17:36] <ounis> :/
[17:37] <ounis> then try to reset root password as described in the tutorial i gave you
[17:37] <Soprano> ounis: i have tryed this many time before and works great
[17:37] <Soprano> but this one i changed the password of phpmyadmin
[17:38] <ounis> exactly that's the problem with clickers tools it works fine while making you dumb dumb & dumber
[17:39] <ounis> & when it fails you're so dumb you don't know what happened
[17:39] <Soprano> j'ai essayé avec le tuto que tu m'as donné mais voila le message d'erreur  mysql --user=root mysql ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[17:40] <ounis> did you stop mysqld befor launching the mysql_safe command?
[17:40] <ounis> mysqld_safe*
[17:41] <Soprano> oui
[17:41] <ounis> and you got the output described in the tutorial?
[17:42] <ounis> "mysqld start up successfully"
[17:43] <Soprano> 20823 21:43:05 mysqld_safe Logging to syslog. 120823 21:43:05 mysqld_safe A mysqld process already exists
[17:43] <Soprano> no
[17:43] <ounis> then you need to stop mysqld before
[17:43] <ounis> you didn't do it right
[17:44] <ounis> Soprano may I ask you a personal question?
[17:44] <Soprano> yep
[17:44] <ounis> are you stupid?
[17:45] <Soprano> lol , no
[17:45] <Soprano> seriously , u have right to ask me like this
[17:45] <ounis> then why you answer me two different answers to the same question?
[17:45] <Soprano> parceque je sais rien de Linux , Ubuntu , .... php, Html , Nothing
[17:46] <Soprano> et je fait un effort pour comprendre et avancer
[17:46] <ounis> ok great
[17:46] <Soprano> that's why u see that i'm stupid lol
[17:47] <ounis> I'm not talking about you not knowing stuff
[17:47] <ounis> ignorance is not stupidity
[17:47] <Soprano> Oui
[17:48] <ounis> stupidity is when someone pretend to know something he don't know and answer to questions he's not sure whether he understood the question or not
[17:49] <ounis> so for the last time stop your mysqld then try the steps of the tutorial from the beginning
[17:49] <Soprano> ok
[17:49] <ounis> and don't try the next command until you get the correct output
[17:49] <ounis> is that something you need someone to tell you?
[17:51] <ounis> stupidity also is when someone try a command, it gives a wrong output, he doesn't care and go to the next step of a tutorial
[17:51] <ounis> do you agree Soprano?
[17:52] <Soprano> yeap
[17:52] <Soprano> that's what i have done
[17:52] <Soprano> wait a minute
[17:53] <ounis> stupidity also is to ask a question with no relation at all with the context, like lamp question in an ubuntu IRC channel
[17:54] <ounis> in this I share the stupidity because I'm answering in the same IRC channel
[17:54] <ounis> to the out of context question
[17:55] <AminosAmigos> hey ounis  :)
[17:55] <Soprano> true , because for more than 2 weeks , j'ai cherché par tous et j'ai pas eu aucune solution , alors j'ai decidé de venir ici peut etre je la trouve
[17:55] <ounis> hey AminosAmigos
[17:55] <AminosAmigos> hey Soprano
[17:56] <Soprano> hey AminosAmigos :D
[17:56] <AminosAmigos> ounis,  we need a ##FreeSupport channel :p
[17:57] <Soprano> ounis , j'a arreté mysql like this service mysql stop
[17:57] <Soprano> then i put mysqld_safe 120823 21:57:20 mysqld_safe Logging to syslog. 120823 21:57:20 mysqld_safe A mysqld process already exists
[17:57] <Soprano> same error
[17:57] <ounis> not really I'm always on #hackerspace.tn channel there there is not really a strict topic we can talk about whatever we want
[17:57] <ounis> Soprano:
[17:58] <ounis> try > ps aux | grep mysqld
[17:58] <ounis> then kill all processes of mysqld
[17:58] <Soprano> ok
[17:58] <ounis> until ps aux | grep mysqld
[17:58] <ounis> give only itself in the output
[18:00] <AminosAmigos> lets change channel cuz this one is logged
[18:00] <AminosAmigos> and cannonical is about to sue us :p
[18:00] <ounis> who care
[18:00] <ounis> I really don't care about canonical
[18:01] <ounis> I even hate ubuntu
[18:01] <AminosAmigos> btw its a ubuntu problem =>
[18:01] <AminosAmigos> i know but i never understood why :/
[18:01] <ounis> it's one of the worst distros ever
[18:01] <ounis> meant for clickers & stupid users
[18:02] <AminosAmigos> Well we have to admit that there are stupid ppl
[18:02] <AminosAmigos> Don(t they deserve freedom ?
[18:02] <ounis> like non free software it's aim is to cover the beauty of the OS by nice & shiny GUI
[18:04] <ounis> making user more stupid
[18:04] <ounis> they say user don't need to learn let us make choice for him
[18:04] <ounis> you get my point now AminosAmigos?
[18:05] <ounis> I have more arguments but this one is the most important one
[18:05] <AminosAmigos> yeah
[18:06] <ounis> I just come here because in tunisia when people think about free software they think ubuntu is a free software
[18:06] <ounis> and #ubuntu-tn is where they need to find out it isn't
[18:06] <AminosAmigos> but if i may add it was the first distro i've tried and to be honest it helped me to get into the Gnu/linux world
[18:07] <ounis> pity you
[18:07] <AminosAmigos> its true that you wont get to learn much but you will have a more secure and stable OS than Winbugs
[18:07] <ounis> it's lik the baby duck syndrome
[18:07] <AminosAmigos> :)
[18:07] <AminosAmigos> enplane '' the baby duck syndrome''
[18:07] <ounis> people tend to return to the first thing they knew
[18:08] <ounis> just like baby duck think his mom is the first thing it see
[18:08] <AminosAmigos> LoooooOL
[18:09] <ounis> when you see people that started with distros like ubuntu, most of them stay clickers till the end of thir life
[18:10] <Soprano> ounis, AminosAmigos : me toot i wanna learn all thnigs about Linux
[18:10] <ounis> but people that compiled stuff from the beginning will get the tweaking virus and be hackers for the rest of their lives
[18:11] <AminosAmigos> Well i did learn about the CLI but i wont use it on a daily bases :D
[18:11] <ounis> LFS could help you open the truck & even open the engine then mount it yourself
[18:11] <ounis> see AminosAmigos
[18:11] <ounis> that's my point
[18:11] <ounis> exactly
[18:12] <Soprano> i wanna know more about it
[18:12] <AminosAmigos> Read books
[18:12] <AminosAmigos> ounis,  who do you consider as a clicker ?
[18:13] <ounis> when someone take 3 seconds to select right click  copy then right click then paste
[18:13] <ounis> it's a clicker
[18:13] <Soprano> ounis , mes message sont invisibles !!!
[18:14] <ounis> ctrl+c / ctrl+v in 1/2 a second
[18:14] <ounis> Soprano I answered to you
[18:14] <AminosAmigos> good i am not a clicker then :p
[18:14] <ounis> I said LFS !!!
[18:14] <ounis> wait AminosAmigos
[18:15] <ounis> I had one time a discussion with someone about benchmarking few software solutions
[18:15] <ounis> when we started discussing whether the solution is user friendly or not he excluded command line tools
[18:17] <ounis> when I see that the CLI was more user friendly because it had really few commands compared to the GUI tools where you need to learn how the developper decided to organize thing how to call them how the disposition is done etc
[18:18] <ounis> and especially when buttons are icons
[18:18] <AminosAmigos> yeah its faster to do thing through CLI
[18:18] <ounis> you need to learn what icon stand for what action
[18:18] <AminosAmigos> when you master it :)
[18:18] <ounis> and once you learn that you become dependant
[18:19] <ounis> it's hard to switch the tool
[18:19] <AminosAmigos> but the beginning is always hard
[18:19] <ounis> or swtch nother graphical chart
[18:19] <ounis> AminosAmigos it's all about will
[18:19] <ounis> if someone is willing to learn everything become easy
[18:20] <ounis> I have to admit some people don't wanna learn
[18:20] <ounis> that's clickers
[18:20] <ounis> clickers is the polite word for dumbshit/stupid/brainless/retard
[18:21] <ounis> AFK
[18:21] <AminosAmigos> i am not defending clickers but i think linux is about freedom and since the developpers provided a GUI they are free to use it
[18:21] <AminosAmigos> they will just have to deal with the bad side
[18:22] <AminosAmigos> not learning anything about the os they work on
[18:23] <Soprano> can i ask you !!!
[18:25] <AminosAmigos> tfadhel
[18:26] <AminosAmigos> ounis,  have you tried Koding.com ?
[18:26] <Soprano> how can i learn all about Linux !!!
[18:27] <ounis> AminosAmigos no
[18:27] <AminosAmigos> i told you read books/tutos/ watch videos / barbech ; don't be a clicker like ounis  says :p
[18:28] <AminosAmigos> Ps: u can't learn everything about Linux ;)
[18:28] <AminosAmigos> its a cool idea :)
[18:28] <AminosAmigos> i have an invitation if you want
[18:30] <Soprano> Got it :) thanks , some day i will return to this chanell and i will not be a cliker like ounis said , promis
[18:31] <ounis> AminosAmigos I'm not interested
[18:31] <ounis> I'm against the cloud principle
[18:31] <ounis> I'm fully satisfies with the ssh connection on my beloved servers
[18:31] <ounis> satisfied*
[18:32] <ounis> and thanks AminosAmigos
[18:35] <Soprano> ounis; do you think really i'm stupid !!
[18:35] <ounis> IDK
[18:35] <ounis> I don't know you
[18:36] <ounis> people may be stupid or just act stupid sometimes
[18:36] <Soprano> Yes
[18:36] <ounis> I don't think someone trying to learn could be stupid
[18:37] <Soprano> Yes
[18:37] <Soprano> can i ask you a personnel question !!
[18:37] <ounis> depends
[18:37] <Soprano> it's simple
[18:38] <ounis> ok you can ask I may not answer
[18:38] <Soprano> Ok
[18:38] <Soprano> what you have studied ??
[18:39] <ounis> computer science
[18:40] <ounis> that's what I can prove by paper
[18:40] <ounis> but I studied other stuff by myself
[18:40] <Soprano> ok , i have studied nursing ( Bac + 3 )
[18:41] <Soprano> :S
[18:41] <ounis> I have no proof that I studied other things but my knowledge
[18:41] <ounis> :)
[18:42] <Soprano> me , i have studied sciences and it's my fault of my life
[18:42] <Soprano> sorry, i have studied sciences nursing  and it's my fault of my life
[18:42] <ounis> studies may teach you the way to deal with the knowledge you aquire it doesn't (and is not supposed to) give you that knowledge
[18:43] <Soprano> and i wanna so hard to get learn more about linux , that's why you see me a stupid because i'm excited and i ask many questions in one question
[18:44] <ounis> so nursing or language studies or histoey is always a good thing in the way of learning how to deal with your knowledge
[18:44] <ounis> history*
[18:44] <ounis> like tools
[18:45] <ounis> now you need matter to deal with
[18:45] <ounis> that's knowledge you are supposed to aquire by yourself
[18:45] <Soprano> yes
[18:45] <ounis> knwoledge without the good tools is worthless
[18:46] <ounis> tools without matter to deal with is useless
[18:47] <Soprano> Right
[18:47] <ounis> Soprano do you want a gift
[18:47] <ounis> ?
[18:47] <Soprano> yep , i wish
[18:48] <ounis> it's an advice you maybe heard before, but I want to think about it more & more
[18:48] <ounis> it's the most important advice I can give you
[18:48] <ounis> it could be the key to learning better
[18:49] <ounis> without it it's very hard to learn
[18:49] <ounis> maybe even impossible to learn
[18:49] <ounis> here it is
[18:49] <ounis> never hesitate to say "I don't know"
[18:49] <ounis> when I say never it's never
[18:50] <ounis> don't even thing about hesitating to say it
[18:50] <ounis> think*
[18:50] <Soprano> yeah
[18:50] <ounis> people may feel it hard as a word to say
[18:51] <Soprano> i already said to you yesterday that i don' know
[18:51] <ounis> but when they get used to it and feel no shame to say it
[18:51] <ounis> they become learning as fast as never before
[18:51] <ounis> I say this to everyone I don't mean you in particular
[18:52] <ounis> think about it
[18:52] <ounis> never think people will laugh at you when you admit you don't know something
[18:53] <Soprano> i know
[18:53] <ounis> they may laugh when you pretend knowing something you don't know and they believe me it will appear
[18:54] <ounis> as we always say nobody come to this life with his knowledge we all started as n00bs
[18:54] <Soprano> trust me , some day , i will not ask stupid questions
[18:55] <ounis> :) ok
[18:55] <ounis> you can start from now
[18:55] <Soprano> maybe , you see that i'm stuped because i wanna learn all things in the same time
[18:56] <ounis> no I don't like when someone suppose something that maybe wrong and ask his question based on that wrong conviction
[18:56] <Soprano> Yes you're right
[18:57] <ounis> the good way is to base the question only on the things someone is sure about
[18:57] <ounis> even if it's too small
[18:57] <Soprano> yes , as i'm :S
[18:58] <ounis> Who care if you are or arn't
[18:58] <ounis> we're talking in general
[18:58] <Soprano> my only problem it's that i can't explain the problem
[18:58] <ounis> well language my friend is mandatory in the process of learning
[18:58] <Soprano> i should know many things like package
[18:59] <Soprano> serices ...
[18:59] <Soprano> processus
[18:59] <ounis> when talk get technical choice of words need to be accurate
[18:59] <Soprano> yes that's my problem
[19:00] <Soprano> an exemple , i try to fin a solution to mysql and i don't know what callin' mysql
[19:00] <Soprano> it's a database or something else
[19:00] <Soprano> i don't know
[19:00] <ounis> :)
[19:00] <Soprano> that's why i have diffuclti to explain my problem
[19:00] <Soprano> i should know more technicals words
[19:00] <ounis> well internet is your only help
[19:01] <ounis> all information is there
[19:01] <Soprano> Yes , i have read mani doc
[19:01] <Soprano> many*
[19:02] <ounis> one more thing
[19:03] <ounis> it's a shame to try to learn technical stuff in french, while ~99% of the information on internet is in english
[19:04] <ounis> I get mad when I see that people keep trying to find valuable information in french
[19:04] <Soprano> yes , i know , i try to learn it in English , i see it's the one who can explain to you all things
[19:05] <Soprano> so , ounis , if ask another time a question please try to understand me and correct to me what i have bad explain
[19:06] <Soprano> sorry, if a ask you ....
[19:07] <Soprano> like that i learn how can i descripe the problem next time
[19:07] <Soprano> it's helpfull for me
[19:17] <ounis> ok
[19:17] <ounis> I was AFK


[02:29] <dedAL0s> Hola
[02:29] <dedAL0s> alguien latino
[02:29] <Unit193> !es
[02:29] <dedAL0s> Gracuas
[02:45] <Kubu> HOla
[03:17] <Xylim> I have a new install of 14.10 going. Video hardware acceleration seems to be fine but OpenGL is reporting to be 1.2 for a game that needs 2.0. Any thoughts?
[03:20] <Xylim> Oops, I have 14.04 not 14.10...
[03:25] <pengbisong> Gnome
[03:43] <Xylim> Is there a reason why OpenGL is at version 1.2 on Kubuntu 14.04? Am I missing an optional package?
[05:40] <BlackDevil> i want to know some alternative to truecrypt ecryption software ? do you have any idea ?
[05:40] <BlackDevil> hi to all guys
[05:40] <BlackDevil> no one ?
[05:45] <Unit193> BlackDevil: To encrypt files or the whole drive?
[05:46] <BlackDevil> Unit193 to make ecrypted container or virtual drive
[05:46] <BlackDevil> like truecrypt
[05:46] <BlackDevil> and i search something also multiplatform
[05:46] <BlackDevil> windows/linux/mac
[05:47] <Unit193> !info tc-play
[05:47] <Unit193> !info cryptsetup
[05:47] <Unit193> !encryption
[05:47] <Unit193> !info tcplay
[06:04] <rostam> HI I want to create a local repo of some debian packages with their dependencies what tool would be the best and easiest to do this task? thanks
[06:07] <valorie> hmmm, there is a way to make some local repos
[06:07] <Unit193> I'm lazy and use mini-dinstall, but there's also reprepro.
[06:07] <valorie> https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository
[06:18] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:18] <lordievader> valorie: Reprepro is nice :)
[06:18] <valorie> I will such things to those who need them
[06:19] <valorie> I mean, leave such things
[06:19] <valorie> !info reprepro
[06:19] <valorie> cool
[06:19] <lordievader> Ah, rostam was the asker... +1 for reprepro ;)
[06:20] <lordievader> Lets see if I can find that guide about signed repo's.
[06:20] <valorie> !repositories
[06:23] <lordievader> rostam: http://blog.jonliv.es/2011/04/26/creating-your-own-signed-apt-repository-and-debian-packages/
[06:24] <lordievader> Signed repo gets rid of annoying 'this repo is untrusted' errors.
[06:33] <rostam> thank your for the help. I am planning to use info to create a personalized  debian repo.  the repo will be accessed from a remote site through apt-get command.
[09:02] <ropeist> Hi,
[09:02] <ropeist> I have a question about Skype 4.3 (repository version).
[09:02] <ropeist> I'm using Kubuntu 14.04.1 on two notebooks. The first one is a workstation with the 64bit version, the other one is a less powerful netbook with the 32bit version.
[09:02] <ropeist> On the 32bit installation, Skype looks just fine, well integrated with KDE by it's oxygen looks.
[09:02] <ropeist> However, the 64bit installation is not that nice. That is also the case for normal Ubuntu installations, and users are recommended to install gtk2-engines-murrine:i386 gtk2-engines-pixbuf:i386. That makes Skype look prettier, however, it's still not as nice as the 32bit OS version, it does not look like a native Qt application.
[09:02] <ropeist> Does anyone have a suggestion this? I suppose I need to install some GUI libs' 32bit version besides the 64bit ones.
[09:02] <unopaste> ropeist you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[09:50] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[09:52] <Ossido> Good morning BluesKaj
[09:53] <Ossido> I have found a workaround for my problem with gtk fonts, which was actually the composition of two different problems, it seems
[09:53] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Ossido
[09:54] <Ossido> for starters, if I set the theme to oxygen-gtk, I can't change the font, which is set to Ubuntu 9
[09:54] <Ossido> but if the theme is Oxygen-Molecule, then it obeys the settings
[09:55] <Ossido> on top of this, there seems to be a problem in the way the fonts are rendered, but only in some applications (not Firefox, for example)
[09:55] <hateball> Time to ditch non-qt apps! ;D
[09:56] <Ossido> so that all fonts show up more or less randomly as one of four options (that look like Free mono, Free Sans, Free Serif and some variations of boldness and italics)
[09:56] <Ossido> as a temporary workaround, I have set up a font that looks good and also shows up as a different but not hideous font in the faulty programs
[09:57] <Ossido> but there is something wrong in all this
[09:58] <hateball> Ossido: have you tried livebooting 14.04? I find it strange that I have things by default that you could not even install
[09:58] <hateball> just to check if things like kde-config-gtk etc are on the liveboot
[09:58] <BluesKaj> sounds like you received a partial install of the fonts, qt and gtk
[09:59] <Ossido> yes
[09:59] <Ossido> what could I do about it?
[10:00] <BluesKaj> almost as if you upgraded the OS without upgrading the packages first
[10:00] <Ossido> but I did
[10:00] <BluesKaj> so it's too late now
[10:01] <Ossido> the upgrade was plagued by a problem with one of the latex packages, though
[10:01] <BluesKaj> you may have updated , but forgot to upgrade and dist-upgrade , a common mistake
[10:02] <Ossido> I did everything from muon
[10:02] <Ossido> first upgraded the packages
[10:03] <Ossido> then clicked on the notice that offered the installation of the 14.04
[10:05] <Ossido> do you think I should purge some part of the gtk/fonts and reinstall it, BluesKaj?
[10:07] <MoonUnit`> nasty DMA problem it your using ubuntu kernels 3.16 and 3.17, alloc_contig_range kernel errors.
[10:07] <MoonUnit`> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2014-August/065842.html
[10:07] <MoonUnit`> hopefully cma=0 in grub will solve it for now, it's been plaguing in for ages.
[10:08] <Ossido> in any case, forgetting the fonts for now. The wireless connection sometimes forgets to auto-connect to my home wifi
[10:08] <Ossido> but this is a bit random
[10:09] <Ossido> I have set it to autoconnect, but it does so only some times
[10:09] <BluesKaj> i have never trusted a package manager to upgrade my OS since 2006, when adept messed things up .. Ossido personally I would back all my data to another drive if possible and do a toyal clean install ..think you will continue to have problems otherwise
[10:09] <BluesKaj> total
[10:09] <Ossido> well, I suspect you are right, but I won't do it now
[10:10] <Ossido> I need my computer tomorrow for work, and I'll do this only with the guidance of somebody who knows better than me
[10:11] <Ossido> one thing. How do I export all my settings and preferences to a clean install?
[10:11] <BluesKaj> Ossido, and create a / and /home partitions before installing cleam
[10:11] <BluesKaj> err clean
[10:11] <Ossido> I've always found that kde lacks a good tool to export settings
[10:12] <BluesKaj> whenever you have the time of course
[10:12] <Ossido> can I just brutally copy my ~/.conf, ~/.kde and such, and paste them on a clean install?
[10:12] <Ossido> or would it mess up?
[10:13] <Ossido> I've lots of things I don't want to lose, here. years of mail and calendars in Kontact, logs in Kopete and Quassel...
[10:13] <BluesKaj> dunno
[10:15] <Ossido> well, I'll try in a couple of months. I'm too busy for now
[10:15] <Ossido> and I've already lost 3 full days of my holidays going after this
[10:18] <lordievader> Ossido: All of your settings should be in your kde profile, however to be sure I'd simply backup the entire /home.
[10:19] <Ossido> yes, that is what I would do. Backup /home, format everything, reinstall fresh, and plug back my old /home
[10:19] <Ossido> you say this would work?
[10:19] <BluesKaj> well maybe an upgrade to 14.10 when it's released in Oct will solve your problems if you use the terminal rather then muon os the software package manager to upgrade
[10:20] <Ossido> that's a possibility
[10:20] <Ossido> maybe I'll try that one, before
[10:20] <Ossido> so, you say never to upgrade with muon?
[10:21] <kbroulik> I don't
[10:21] <Ossido> I'll remember it
[10:21] <BluesKaj> it may work for some setups but my perdoanal experience wasn't a good one
[10:21] <kbroulik> BluesKaj: same here
[10:22] <kbroulik> If I need to search for packages I use Apper. Everything else (especially updates/upgrades) I do on the terminal
[10:23] <Ossido> I've upgraded many times with Kubuntu. I've used it continuously since Feisty (not on the same computer)
[10:23] <Ossido> almost every upgrade has given me some little problem, but this one is the worst by far
[10:24] <BluesKaj> packag managers are a good reference for info about packages and individual packages usually install fine , I just wouldn't use it to upgrade to a new OS
[10:25] <kbroulik> the first upgrade I did was when I switched to kubuntu from jaunty to karmic which broke everything (I used the gui tool). since then I never had issues when upgrading using the terminal. Even from production to alpha releases and the like
[10:39] <trew_100> hi all
[10:39] <trew_100> i need help
[10:40] <BluesKaj> hi trew_100, just ask your question
[10:40] <trew_100> i'm on kubuntu 14.04.01 and my mic not work
[10:41] <hateball> What sort of mic is it, how is it connected, and what application are you using to test?
[10:41] <trew_100> i search in google but i d'ont find somesing wrk for me
[10:42] <trew_100> hateball: amm build in computer
[10:43] <trew_100> i try with skype and audacity
[10:45] <hateball> trew_100: Does the device not show at all, or does it behave like it is muted?
[10:46] <hateball> trew_100: What audio chipset is this?
[10:47] <BluesKaj> trew_100, do the other audio sources work ok ?
[11:01] <okero> hello !
[11:02] <trew_100> BluesKaj: no
[11:03] <lordievader> okero: o/
[11:03] <trew_100> Just what token embedded into computer
[11:03] <okero> how i can change dl speed on ktorrent ?
[11:04] <trew_100> okero: for one torrent?
[11:04] <okero> yes and all
[11:04] <okero> limit for dl and up
[11:05] <BluesKaj> trew_100, open a terminal and type alsamixer, make sure automute is disabled and your mic input and volume ctrls are turned up
[11:06] <trew_100> okero: settings >> configuare ktorrent >> network
[11:06] <trew_100> BluesKaj: in turn up
[11:07] <BluesKaj> okero, ktorrent settings>configure ktorrent >network
[11:08] <trew_100> BluesKaj: but automute is enabled and i can't to chenge it
[11:08] <BluesKaj> trew_100, use the up down arrow keys
[11:09] <trew_100> BluesKaj: ok changed
[11:09] <okero> thx BluesKaj
[11:09] <okero> & trew_100
[11:10] <BluesKaj> okero, yw
[11:11] <okero> is there a better client than ktorrent to limit each up like µtorrent ?
[11:11] <trew_100> BluesKaj: still mic don't work
[11:11] <hateball> you can do that in ktorrent as well okero
[11:12] <hateball> okero: or you can try qbittorrent
[11:12] <hateball> or even transmission, which has a qt frontend
[11:12] <trew_100> okero: or µtorrent for linux
[11:13] <BluesKaj> trew_100, but you have to run utorrent in wine
[11:14] <BluesKaj> I mean okero
[11:17] <BluesKaj> trew_100, I'll ask again, do any other audio sources work ?
[11:18] <trew_100> BluesKaj: Headphones
[11:19] <BluesKaj> what about web audio and music from files etc over your speakers
[11:21] <BluesKaj> trew_100, and is the mic on the headset?
[11:22] <jubo2> I wish there was a "bring all windows of this program to the top of the window stack"-button in the GUI.. It'd be really handy that one could get all terminal windows to front with 2 clicks
[11:22] <trew_100> BluesKaj: There is music from the web, the computer plays music headphones not speakers
[11:22] <jubo2> instead of clicking each one separately
[11:33] <hateball> jubo2: If you group them I think you can achieve that
[11:33] <hateball> also you can set rules for automatic grouping
[11:38] <jubo2> hateball: where do I group them ?
[11:45] <hateball> jubo2: well it's more tabbing than "grouping", not sure what you need :)
[11:46] <hateball> meh
[11:54] <bipul> Hello I was trying to install Kubuntu , through USB pendrive, but when i try to install i went inside tty mode. how to get GUI Mode
[11:54] <bipul> can anyone help me?
[11:55] <hateball> bipul: ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to X, if thats your problem
[11:55] <lordievader> bipul: Press ctrl + alt + f7
[11:56] <bipul> hateball:  lordievader Yes i know this command, but it's not working at all.
[11:56] <hateball> or if that doesnt work, you could "sudo service lightdm restart"
[11:59] <lordievader> Has X crashed???
[11:59] <bipul> seems though
[12:00] <hateball> It happens rather often for me when livebooting
[12:00] <bipul> GUI pop out for a second then again it drop me into shell (tty)
[12:00] <bipul> Yes i am booting it live
[12:00] <bipul> via pendrive. Is it a bug? should i report this issue?
[12:00] <hateball> bipul: Restarting lightdm makes it pop up and die?
[12:00] <bipul> yes
[12:00] <hateball> bleh
[12:01] <bipul> hateball: I think it's bug?
[12:01] <hateball> you could try booting with nomodeset and such options
[12:01] <hateball> Yes
[12:03] <bipul> hateball: so it's bug? then let me report it
[12:07] <bipul> I can't even report this issue too
[12:08] <bipul> I don't know what to do? anyidea?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> bipul, did you use unetbootin to create the image ?
[12:10] <BluesKaj> or startup disk ?
[12:14] <bipul> BluesKaj: I used startup disk from my ubuntu 14.04
[12:16] <hateball> bipul: When you boot, press F6 and try using the nomodeset option, as well remove "quiet splash" from the bootline
[12:17] <bipul> ok let me try
[12:40] <mirty> hi, is it possible to develop against neon iso in a VM?
[12:40] <lordievader> mirty: Develop against, what do you mean exactly?
[12:40] <ikonia> mirty: neo iso ?
[12:40] <mirty> neon iso
[12:41] <ikonia> what's neon iso ?
[12:41] <mirty> use the iso for developing apps
[12:41] <lordievader> ikonia: I suppose he is talking about the plasma5 iso.
[12:41] <mirty> http://files.kde.org/snapshots/
[12:41] <mirty> yes
[12:41] <ikonia> lordievader: I have  no idea
[12:41] <mirty> is it possible to install the devel packages in the VM?
[12:41] <ikonia> mirty: running from an iso will be hard to develop against as all the file systems are in ram
[12:42] <lordievader> mirty: But yes, I suppose you can develop inside a vm.
[12:42] <ikonia> mirty:an iso is not a vm
[12:42] <ikonia> mirty: an iso runs in ram
[12:42] <mirty> iso is not a vm that's right
[12:42] <lordievader> mirty: IMO, it would be better to set up a dedicated development machine.
[12:42] <ikonia> mirty: where does this question fit into kubuntu ?
[12:43] <mirty> ikonia: project neon is from kubuntu
[12:43] <mirty> sorry if it's not
[12:43] <ikonia> neon is kde not kubuntu
[12:44] <mirty> so I should not enquire further here?
[12:44] <ikonia> maybe worth talking to #kde as that iso is provided by kde not kubuntu
[12:45] <lordievader> ikonia: Project Neon is maintained by the Kubuntu team: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:46] <ikonia> lordievader: I'm sure it's maintained
[12:46] <ikonia> but it's not kubuntu
[12:46] <mirty> I thought it was though
[12:46] <ikonia> maybe I'm wrong then
[12:46] <ikonia> I thought it was part of the KDE project, not kubuntu
[12:47] <mirty> KDE does not package
[12:47] <mirty> only provides tarballs
[12:47] <ikonia> mirty: you've just linked to an iso from the kde website....
[12:47] <ikonia> that is kde
[12:47] <mirty> yes so?
[12:47] <ikonia> so youu're using a source/instance provided by the kde project
[12:47] <lordievader> I've just asked in #kubuntu-devel, lets see what they say ;)
[12:47] <ikonia> not something provided by kubuntu
[12:47] <ikonia> lordievader: good call
[12:48] <mirty> provided by kubuntu on a kde host
[12:48] <ikonia> mirty: no
[12:48] <mirty> anyway, just tell me to leave
[12:48] <ikonia> no no, thats not the intention at all
[12:48] <mirty> although the ISO is KUbuntu desktop
[12:49] <mirty> hence the right to ask questions here
[12:51] <bipul> NOPS
[12:51] <bipul> it's not working.
[12:52] <ikonia> damn, he's gone
[12:56] <rostam> hi I would like to download a debian package with all its dependencies to a particular directory(without installation). How could I do this? thanks
[12:56] <BluesKaj> thinks when there isn't alot of activity in here a question slightly offtopic is acceptable
[12:58] <tsimpson> !aptoncd
[12:58] <ikonia> rostam: just to be clear a debian package designed for kubuntu ?
[12:58] <tsimpson> rostam: there's ^ that or you can do it manually
[12:58] <ikonia> rostam: or a debian package that is generic/for debian
[13:00] <rostam> ikonia, generic packages which also included kubuntu (I think...)
[13:00] <ikonia> rostam: this sounds questionable
[13:01] <ikonia> rostam: where are you trying to get these packages from ?
[13:01] <rostam> ikonia, I am trying to create my own private repo.
[13:02] <ikonia> rostam: right, but you're obviously putting debs in it
[13:02] <ikonia> where are you getting the debs ?
[13:02] <rostam> yes debs
[13:02] <rostam> oh sorry I missed your question.
[13:02] <BluesKaj> think aptitude download would be the method to use
[13:03] <rostam> I get the debs from us.archive.ubuntu
[13:03] <ikonia> rostam: ok, cool, so they are ubuntu debs
[13:04] <rostam> ikonia, yes they are ubuntu
[13:04] <ikonia> just checking
[13:04] <ikonia> didin't want you to download things that can cause a problem
[13:04] <rostam> ikonia, so what is your recommendation ?
[13:04] <ikonia> rostam: for what ?
[13:05] <rostam> ikonia, my original question was to download deb packages with its dependencies.
[13:05] <ikonia> rostam: you've been given 2 good options
[13:07] <odin> hello guys. I have Kubuntu 14.04. I want to disable the top left hotspot. But the Screen Edges application doesn't work
[13:07] <BluesKaj> just read that apt-get download works too
[13:07] <rostam> ikonia,  I think one was suggested is: aptitude download,  can not find the one..
[13:08] <tsimpson> 'apt-get --download-only install ...' works too
[13:08] <tsimpson> everything gets downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives/ in that case
[13:08] <rostam> okay great thank you for your great suggestions.
[13:09] <ikonia> it you're building a mirror why not apt-mirror or rerepo
[13:09] <ikonia> rerepro
[13:10] <odin> the problem is althougth I have disabled actions for this corner  the applications are minimized when I put the mouse in this corner
[13:10] <rostam> ikonia, apt-mirror creates a big volume which i do not have space for it in the field. I need a subset which satisfy the packages I need.
[13:15] <odin> the only workaround  I have found is to disable desktop effects
[13:16] <odin> Does anyone have a suggestion to fix it?
[13:19] <mcstr__> any YAD experts here?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> YAD ?
[13:30] <odin> Is there people with the same problem?
[13:38] <BluesKaj> !LVM
[13:42] <odin>  Another question. How can I activate HDMI sound?
[13:49] <odin> I don't know the reason but output audio via HDMI sound doesn't work. Can anyone help me with this problem?
[13:54] <hateball> odin: iirc I had to activate display out over hdmi for audio to work on an intel chipset I had
[13:54] <BluesKaj> odin, which graphics ?
[13:54] <odin> nvidia
[13:54] <hateball> that is ootb, without hacking around with pulseaudio manually
[13:55] <odin> GeForce GT 525M
[13:56] <odin> Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
[13:56] <hateball> odin: Are you using nvidia driver or noeuvau?
[13:56] <odin> nvidia driver
[13:56] <odin> the default in kubuntu 14.04 LTS
[13:56] <odin> the volume is activated in kmix
[13:57] <BluesKaj> yeah pulse should have a settings option for hdmi audio out in pavucontrol , installing pavucontrol will help with that
[13:57] <odin> ok
[13:57] <odin> thanks
[15:25] <MichaelP> kubuntu 14.10 kde 4.14 plasma 5... after installed plasma 5 power management configuration module not be loaded... The power management service apears not to be running... ..system seetting startup and shutdown.. background services.. says power management is running...  but under power management it is gray out
[15:25] <lordievader> !crosspost | MichaelP
[15:26] <lordievader> MichaelP: Is dbus running?
[15:29] <MichaelP> lordievader: how do i tell
[15:30] <lordievader> MichaelP: "service dbus status"
[15:31] <MichaelP> lordievader: dbus start/running, process 777
[15:36] <lordievader> MichaelP: Is upower installed? (Not sure if it is needed, don't have a kubuntu machine within reach)
[15:38] <MichaelP> ps -e | grep upower    1505 ?        00:00:00 upowerd
[15:39] <lordievader> MichaelP: apt-cache policy upower
[15:39] <MichaelP> Is there a config file where i can control the screen shutting off
[15:39] <lordievader> !paste | MichaelP
[15:42]  * genii sips and ponders /etc/UPower/UPower.conf
[15:42] <BluesKaj> MichaelP, if you'd like you can test a new plasma5 image here  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/   .... no guarantees iut will be better than the last one
[15:42] <MichaelP> http://paste2.org/2cZ9MAPF
[15:45] <MichaelP> BluesKaj: is that the Project Neon
[15:46] <TBotNik> All: Have networking problem documented at: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?66222-Networking&p=356977#post356977
[15:46] <TBotNik> Need some help on this please!
[15:46] <lordievader> MichaelP: Is the powermanagement service running?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> MichaelP, no
[15:46] <lordievader> MichaelP: Wait, are you on 14.10?
[15:47] <MichaelP> yes
[15:47] <BluesKaj> MichaelP, report the results here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/322/builds
[15:48] <lordievader> MichaelP: 14.10 support is in #ubuntu+1.
[15:49] <BluesKaj> MichaelP, you really should join #kubuntu-devel if you're testing Kubuntu 14.10
[15:59] <TBotNik> No one available to help on a non-connected networking problem?
[16:02] <lordievader> TBotNik: Your networking got corrupted, what do you mean with that?
[16:11] <TBotNik> lordievader: Did you read the forum post?
[16:14] <genii> Well, your first problem was using the sysvinit networking startup call instead of the upstart one, that's why you never got any response from it.
[16:14] <genii> !offline
[16:31] <lordievader> TBotNik: Yes, and to be honest I didn't really understand it, hence the question.
[16:35] <TBotNik> lordievader: Guess my explaination of "corrupted" where it quit working, always came back "FAILED" but nothing in the logs to be able to diagnose from, wasn't complete?
[16:36] <lordievader> TBotNik: Well nevermind. Do you use the network manger or do you configure your interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces?
[16:36] <genii> TBotNik: As I explained just earlier, you were doing: /etc/init.d/networking restart      which is incorrect.
[16:37] <TBotNik> lordievader: Since I have no log entries or errors, knew the code was corrupt because logs would not be blank!  That's why I purged it and now, without connection has to re-install.  As for NM vs manual, have done both, since NM does not support iwlwifi6 driver!
[16:38] <lordievader> TBotNik: Can you pastebin your current config?
[16:39] <genii> When any daemon has things in both /etc/init and /etc/init.d  the /etc/init  one gets executed first and the /etc/init.d one never gets run. So if it's already running from upstart trying to start it from directly running the sysvinit script in /etc/init.d cannot work
[16:39] <TBotNik> Let me see will have to copy anything to flash to upload to PB, with purge not sure if files are gone!
[16:43] <TBotNik> lordievader: you mean the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[16:43] <TBotNik> lordievader: That is still there, so can copy to flash etc!
[16:44] <lordievader> TBotNik: What is it exactly that you nuked with your 'purge'?
[16:45] <TBotNik> lordievader: Not sure!
[16:46] <lordievader> TBotNik: Ok, what did you do exactly when you 'purged' things?
[16:58] <TBotNik> lordievader: Dang found the problem and working again over there on laptop again.  Purge did nothing but bad config for CloneZilla was knocking it out.  Commented that out, restarted networking and now going.  Still have to test WiFi, but hopeful on that also!
[16:59] <TBotNik> Obviously purge did not yank all networking as I thought!
[16:59] <TBotNik> lordievader: Still wonder why no log entries at all?
[17:00] <lordievader> I still have no idea what you have done to cause it, or fix it for that matter.
[17:00] <TBotNik> lordievader: You probably don't care anymore but interfaces file posted at: http://pastebin.com/hEGiS6A9
[17:01] <TBotNik> lordievader: Kudos for making me go back over it one more time, finding the error and fixing it!
[17:03] <TBotNik> lordievader: Still having "localhost" issues but should be on Apache side or should post at #httpd
[17:03] <lordievader> TBotNik: Localhost issues?
[17:06] <TBotNik> lordievader: Yeah internet working but dev side under "localhost" not working.  The interfaces file says "auto lo: iface lo inet loopback" do I need to change this to "auto localhost: iface localhost inet loopback"?
[17:10] <TBotNik> lordievader: OK ran "service apache2 restart" and getting "Fail" from that! Gotta start looking at logs
[17:15] <lordievader> TBotNik: To your first question, as it was in the paste is correct.
[17:15] <lordievader> TBotNik: Is apache listening on <IP_ADDRESS>?
[17:18] <TBotNik> lordievader: OK ran "service apache2 restart" and getting "Fail" from that! Gotta start looking at logs.  Have no log file entries running "tail /var/log/apache2/error.log"  Latest log entries in error.log.1 from Mon Aug 18
[17:21] <TBotNik> lordievader: Did not have "listen" installed, so installing!
[17:21] <lordievader> TBotNik: That ain't strange, apache fails to start ;)
[17:21] <lordievader> It usually tells you why.
[17:22] <lordievader> TBotNik: Listen is not a command. Daemons listen to ports (and interfaces).
[17:23] <TBotNik> lordievader: While listen is installing ran ping on <IP_ADDRESS> and it pings just fine
[17:23] <lordievader> TBotNik: Maybe you should read up on how TCP works.
[17:24] <TBotNik> lordievader: BRB have to take care of something, maybe 1/2 hour!
[17:47] <TBotNik_> lordievader: Put "listen 80" results at: http://pastebin.com/mJnmCMG5
[17:49] <TBotNik> lordievader: Crap this is some kind of music listener!
[18:09] <TBotNik_> lordievader: netstat dump at: http://pastebin.com/1Uz4zpPA  show no listen on port 80, 8000 or 8080 which are the normal "localhost" ports
[18:11] <TBotNik> lordievader: What do I do to fix this?
[18:13] <lordievader> TBotNik: Could you pastebin your apache config.
[18:14] <TBotNik_> lordievader: Think it is already out there.  Let me check!
[18:18] <TBotNik_> lordievader: The last 3 files posted at: http://pastebin.com/835Fd2JF are the apache config files, but this does not include the phpmyadmin.conf file!
[18:20] <lordievader> TBotNik_: Seems allright, so what was the error again when you start apache?
[18:20] <TBotNik_> checking logs again!
[18:21] <lordievader> TBotNik_: I'm not talking about logs...
[18:21] <lordievader> TBotNik_: Run "sudo service apache2 start" and copy all the output to pastebin.
[18:28] <TBotNik_> lordievader: Got msg:=> service apache2 restart
[18:28] <TBotNik_> Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/nano.save:
[18:28] <TBotNik_> Invalid command '1', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[18:28] <TBotNik_> Action 'configtest' failed.
[18:28] <TBotNik_> The Apache error log may have more information.
[18:28] <TBotNik_>    ...fail!
[18:28] <unopaste> TBotNik_ you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[18:28] <lordievader> !paste | TBotNik_
[18:29] <lordievader> TBotNik_: Yeah, you probably want to remove that nano swap file.
[18:31] <TBotNik> lordievader: All: progress, got wired networking going, had localhost issues, now localhost see and works phpMyAdmin, but "localhost" itself give "Not Found" msg in browser.  Still debugging and need help!
[18:32] <lordievader> TBotNik: Apache works again?
[18:33] <TBotNik> lordievader: Sorta, for development have to have the default "localhost" and the aliases working, since working files which have to be correct on LH before FTP to online dirs.
[18:34] <lordievader> TBotNik: I take that as a yes. Now you can go and look in the apache error log why it is giving 404's.
[18:34] <TBotNik> lordievader: Only aliases/dir working is phpMyAdmin
[18:35] <lordievader> So it is likely that your site definition are faulty.
[18:36] <TBotNik_> lordievader: Still no listen on <IP_ADDRESS>:80, which is why no browser display at localhost root
[18:36] <lordievader> TBotNik_: Please post the ports.conf config file.
[20:21] <TBotNik> lordievader: Kept having issues with network dropping out on laptop, so since ports.conf is same on this DT posted at:  http://pastebin.com/KDC6Ccjv
[20:22] <TBotNik> lordievader: Also fixed issue with /etc/hosts file
[20:32] <TBotNik> lordievader: In my aliases.conf only the /files alias works.  Check this out at: http://pastebin.com/835Fd2JF  Aliases.conf is last file in that post!
[20:34] <lordievader> TBotNik: Your ports.conf looks ok, what is the output of: netstat -tulpn|grep apache
[20:39] <TBotNik> lordievader: PB: http://pastebin.com/ZdidkkK8
[20:42] <TBotNik> lordievader: Definitely not listening on <IP_ADDRESS>:80
[20:43] <lordievader> TBotNik: Actually it is.
[20:44] <lordievader> TBotNik: What do you get when you go to <IP_ADDRESS>? Timeout?
[20:44] <TBotNik> lordievader: Browser?
[20:44] <lordievader> TBotNik: Yes.
[20:45] <TBotNik> lordievader: Immediate 404 "Not Found" msg
[20:46] <lordievader> TBotNik: Fix your vhost definitions ;)
[20:47] <TBotNik> lordievader: Whatever is pointing it to <IP_ADDRESS>:80 instead of <IP_ADDRESS>:80 seems to be the problem.  Looking up HOWTOs to get this set right!
[20:48] <lordievader> TBotNik: No, <IP_ADDRESS> mean every interface it can find.
[20:48] <lordievader> means*
[20:48] <lordievader> TBotNik: Don't jump to conclusions.
[20:49] <TBotNik> lordievader: Was just reading that HOWTO want run of "lsof -i :80" so going to see what I get!
[20:49] <lordievader> TBotNik: Are you even reading what I'm typing?
[20:51] <lordievader> Guess not, ok I'm done.
[20:51] <TBotNik_> lordievader: PB at: http://pastebin.com/Kw8993sF
[20:57] <TBotNik> lordievader: Yes, but having to go between machines, so can not respond immediately, at least not always
[20:59] <TBotNik> lordievader: "Fix your vhost definitions"  I only use the default "*:80", I do not run anyother Vhosts, since I'm not hosting.  I only run aliases, so the dev dirs/folders can run under localhost!
[21:03] <TBotNik> lordievader: All aliases were working before, and never knew what changed when a.) localhost, b.) apache aliases, c.) Networking all stopped one day about a month ago.  Been fighting to recover since.  Need my laptop on site at job, as no machine there has the full development toolset!  There are 3 parts to this problem: a.) Wired networking, b.) Apache/localhost, c.) WiFi.  We got # a fixed, now working #b, then have to fix wifi!
[21:33] <Guest73731> hello guys...i just updated to KDE 4.14 and ark is no longer working,what can i do?
[21:34] <Guest73731> it doesn't extract zip files
[21:34] <Guest73731> which is weird
[21:38] <genii> Guest73731: Does: apt-cache policy zip      ...show that the zip package is installed? ( it also provides the unzip app)
[21:39] <Guest73731> yes version 3-0.8
[21:45] <genii> I might try reinstalling ark with sudo apt-get install --reinstall ark
[21:45] <genii> Bleh, left
[22:06] <CruX|> hello
[22:06] <CruX|> Maximized windows can be moved in maximized state
[22:06] <CruX|> how can I fix that ?
[22:12] <Exagone313> CruX|: it's not a good thing for you?
[22:14] <CruX|> no
[22:14] <CruX|> i would like to disable it
[22:15] <CruX|> there was an option for that but seems in current kde it is disabled


[02:38] <Renzatic> by the name, I'm assuming this is the channel I go to if I need to ask stupid newbie questions, right? Cuz I have a couple