[00:00] <Guest35534> virtualbox??? what is that?
[00:03] <Guest35534> i have found it its a virtual ambit for linux and windows
[00:03] <Guest35534> or?
[00:04] <Guest35534> are any germans here?
[00:05] <Pici> !de
[00:06] <Guest35534> ok alles klar
[00:07] <Guest35534> bye
[00:11] <Fanfare> Q: regarding nfs exports, what is the fsid meant for? is it only an arbitrary digit to seperate exports from each other ? or is it meant to show features of the underlying fs?
[00:40] <naryfa> hey, where do I sed no password for sudo?
[00:43] <naryfa> anobody here/
[00:43] <tta> yes
[00:44] <naryfa> anybody knows?
[00:45] <tta> what...?
[00:46] <naryfa> (07:40:16 PM) naryfa: hey, where do I sed no password for sudo?
[00:46] <naryfa> set*
[00:49] <tta> sudo like sudoku?
[00:49] <naryfa> nvm
[00:54] <tta> i dont know, sorry
[00:56] <tta>  i started the installation of ubuntu 10.10 in my laptop but after de decompression the system launched my previous os; please what is the meaning of that?
[01:43] <nikitis> How do i install java?  I don't see the sun-java6-jre packages anymore.
[01:44] <tta> if your java is design for windows you must use wine
[01:45] <nikitis> not using windows
[01:45] <nikitis> need java for non-windows apps
[01:47] <tta> i said if your java was "designed" for wind...
[01:48] <nikitis> Okay, well it's not.
[01:48] <nikitis> Can we move on?
[01:49] <nikitis> I have the .bin, but there is no installation instructions in the README
[01:49] <nikitis> i extracted it
[01:49] <nikitis> but i dont know what to do after that
[01:51] <tta> did you see something with .exe (extension)
[01:55] <nikitis> dude i'm in kubuntu.  Why would i see .exe?
[01:55] <nikitis> I'm not running windows apps.  Linux java apps
[01:56] <tta> it's and the name of installation extension files (it's universal)
[02:06] <Mase_wk> tta: it's not universal
[02:06] <Mase_wk> tta: he's gone now but the advice he was looking for was to chmod +x the .bin file
[02:07] <Mase_wk> and then ./filename.bin
[02:10] <tta> ok sorry for the wrong info
[02:20] <rtdos> having issues removing a program: openoffice.org--coooder (a syntax hilighter for openoffice) - when i try to reinstall it or remove it, i keep getting told that openoffice is running in the background. how can i remove and purge 'openoffice.org-coooder' ?
[02:24] <nata> rtdos: may be you can try to find it out whether 'soffice.bin' process and kill it in system monitor
[02:27] <sizz> does anyone else have problems with X progressively taking up loads of RAM (1.8GB on my system after 7 days uptime) and if so, what could be the problem (video-related?)?
[02:27] <somekool> rtdos: you might have bettter luck switching to LibreOffice. OpenOffice won't get anymore updates
[02:28] <somekool> sizz: X process itself ? could be an extension, or a separate process. try to dig a little more
[02:30] <sizz> somekool: how should I dig?
[02:32] <somekool> what version of KDE are you running É
[02:32] <somekool> ?
[02:34] <sizz> 4.6
[02:35] <somekool> (just a quick & easy idea) restart your computer, open up ksysguard or top in a konsole. make sure X is not taking much memory at startup. keep an eye on it as you normally use your computer and try to see when it starts taking more ressource
[02:38] <nata> sizz: you should state that whick software you got open along this 7 days. xorg will keep eating RAM in some uploading software
[03:06] <rtdos> thanks, nata it worked.
[03:06] <nata> rtdos: :)
[03:07] <rtdos> btw, how do i get into grub (or safe mode) so that i can do any necessary repairs?) when i am / was using startup manager to edit grub for me but when i select safe mode it just continues to boot.
[03:11] <nata> in kubuntu safe mode is all console text line. Grub is just a list to loading to os. if you don't known how to use console text better create one more user to do repair or upgrade new distribution system
[03:52] <rtdos> nata, i can't even get grub to work properly. when i get into repair mode it bypases the repair mode and boots normally though i do see the repair menu.
[03:53] <TheOne> hello
[03:53] <TheOne> someone active?
[03:54] <tta> feel free
[03:54] <TheOne> i need to know whether the kde4libs kubuntu patch is still necessary kubuntu_06_user_disk_mounting.diff ?
[03:55] <nata> rtdos: completely delete the grub and reinstll back at synaptic may solve your problem. but take your own risk if your computer got 2 os. but it can self detect la.
[03:55] <TheOne> i can find it in kde4libs natty branch - does that mean he is still necessary?
[03:57] <nata> i cant find kde4libs in synaptic
[03:58] <TheOne> it is only a source package
[03:59] <nata> my one is maverik version. i think din install this package
[03:59] <nata> by default
[03:59] <TheOne> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kde4libs&searchon=sourcenames&suite=all&section=all
[03:59] <nata> may be somebody will help you :) keep asking and waitting
[04:01] <TheOne> that patch "fixed" or better work around a problem that is reportet in debian bts too (see here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609171 )
[04:01] <TheOne> and that bug is marked as fixed upstream
[04:01] <rtdos> nata: what do you mean delete the grub? my machine only has one OS installed.
[04:02] <TheOne> but i cant find any info where and how that fix looks like
[04:02] <nata> rtdos: you know synaptic? or kpackagekit?
[04:03] <nata> rtdos: find it at there using search "grub". see which version you install and then completely remove them and reinstall back before you restart !!!!!
[04:04] <nata> TheOne: i dont have idea to software lib
[04:04] <tta> i cannot play videos on you tube with my mozilla in Kubuntu 9.10,why?
[04:04] <nata> tta: install flash player
[04:05] <nata> tta: or just install kubuntu restric extra
[04:05] <TheOne> nata: another (easier) question, does the (k)ubuntu installer write partition entries to your /etc/fstab?
[04:07] <TheOne> if your /etc/fstab contains entries for your extra partitions can you unmount them via dolphin?
[04:07] <nata> tta: got
[04:08] <nata> tta: sorry wrong info
[04:08] <nata> TheOne: got
[04:08] <rtdos> ok. i will try that, thanks Nata.
[04:08] <nata> rtdos: :)
[04:08] <rtdos> so nata i should do a 'sudo apt-get remove --purge grub' followed by a reinstall ?
[04:09] <nata> TheOne: cannot. must using 'storage device manager'. download at synaptic
[04:09] <nata> rtdos: mayb. console text i dont knw. sorry :)
[04:10] <TheOne> dolphin shows at the bottom a little error message - what it is if you try to unmount?
[04:10] <TheOne> something like the partition was not mounted via hal ?
[04:11] <nata> TheOne: cause you dont have right to unmount them
[04:11] <TheOne> lol thx
[04:11] <nata> TheOne: storage device manager is for you set default wan mount or ummount
[04:11] <TheOne> nice patch - now i really understand why debian does not use it
[04:12] <nata> hehe
[04:12] <TheOne> yeah i know how to mount and umount
[04:12] <TheOne> the real problem is that dolphin, policykit or something in hal is not compatible
[04:13] <nata> may b you are right..
[04:13] <TheOne> thats why dolphin complains about missing permissions
[04:13] <TheOne> if you use kdesu dolphin it works, you can mount and unmount partitions
[04:14] <TheOne> but it is not recommend to use dolphin that way
[04:15] <TheOne> this "pretty" patch catches the hal error message and call a privilleged dbus-send command
[04:16] <TheOne> so you can mount and umount them
[04:16] <nata> hehe. you are programmer?
[04:16] <TheOne> no kde dev nor c++/qt - i can read the code but my qt programming skills are ... cheap ;)
[04:17] <TheOne> i am involved in kanotix
[04:17] <TheOne> and we have the problem that debian has - we cant mount via dolphin
[04:18] <TheOne> the kubuntu patch works in live mode because there are no /etc/fstab entries for the partitions
[04:18] <TheOne> the installer creates these entries
[04:18] <nata> you known well
[04:19] <TheOne> and here your kubuntu patch is not working anymore
[04:19] <TheOne> cause hal does not unmount partitions that are not mounted via hal
[04:19] <TheOne> you tested it ;)
[04:20] <TheOne> thats the reason why i want to know where and how it is fixed upstream
[04:21] <TheOne> i guess they know the real root of this problem
[04:21] <TheOne> and maybe i can backport that fix for kde4libs 4.4
[04:21] <TheOne> aka debian stable
[04:22] <TheOne> but no one provides any upstream information belonging to that dolphin mount bug
[04:22] <TheOne> i searched kdes bts but nothing helpfull
[04:42] <luisfer> Buenas !
[04:43] <luisfer> n00b en kubuntu ..
[04:44] <kyubutsu> !es | luisfer
[04:45] <kyubutsu> :)
[04:45] <luisfer> thanks !
[04:50] <rtdos> help! i lost grub! all i get is a "Grub Rescue>" prompt now... :-(
[04:51] <rtdos> !grub
[04:51] <rtdos> !grub2
[04:58] <arunce> !kate
[04:58] <arunce> !code
[05:04] <Daskreech> !help
[05:04] <cardplayer> hello all
[05:05] <Daskreech> hi
[05:05] <Daskreech> all isn't here right now would you like to leave a message?
[05:05] <cardplayer> so i am new to linux is this a channel i can ask questions in?
[05:05] <Daskreech> yes
[05:05] <Daskreech> !help
[05:05] <cardplayer> !help
[05:05] <cardplayer> got it
[05:06] <billytwowilly> is there an arabic kubuntu or ubuntu support channel?
[05:06] <tta> #KUBUNTU-beginners
[05:06] <Daskreech> !ar
[05:06] <Daskreech> Um
[05:06] <Daskreech> hmm
[05:06] <Daskreech> >_>
[05:06] <billytwowilly> hmm.
[05:07] <tta> he he
[05:07] <Daskreech> Hold on there is one
[05:07] <Daskreech> !arabic
[05:07] <Daskreech> There we go
[05:07] <cardplayer> ok i booted from the desktop disk but it seems to be crashing it keeps kicking me out of the GUI and into a command line interface ...i am well versed in dos commands but obv linux commands i have no idea i am not sure how to continue setup
[05:07] <cardplayer> any ideas?
[05:07] <Daskreech> cardplayer: This is the live CD?
[05:07] <cardplayer> its the desktop version i downloaded from the main site
[05:08] <billytwowilly> thanks.
[05:08] <Daskreech> cardplayer: Correct I wanted to know if it was the Cd or you already installed it?
[05:08] <cardplayer> the cd is crashing cant begin install
[05:08] <billytwowilly> or maybe I should say "gracias";)
[05:09] <tta> you burned it at which speed
[05:09] <cardplayer> i suppose max
[05:09] <Daskreech> cardplayer: Umm ok lets try and work something out. Is it crashing or you reach to the GUI and it breaks?
[05:09] <cardplayer> i reach the gui
[05:10] <cardplayer> but if i try to execute anything from it
[05:10] <Daskreech> oh
[05:10] <cardplayer> it tosses me into a command line
[05:10] <cardplayer> i select language ok
[05:10] <Daskreech> so you reach the GUI and get a desktop and everyting is fine
[05:10] <Daskreech> till you click on something?
[05:10] <cardplayer> i get a GUI install screen asks me to run from cd or install...check disk for errors etc
[05:11] <Daskreech> ah ok
[05:11] <Daskreech> what do you click?
[05:11] <cardplayer> i have tried to click check for errors and install
[05:11] <cardplayer> both tosses me into the command line
[05:11] <tta> reburn it at 8x at most
[05:12] <cardplayer> agreed darkschreech i burned to fast?
[05:14] <cardplayer> maybe i am in the wrong channel.... idk what kubuntu is i guess i have the regular version
[05:14] <cardplayer> just ubuntu
[05:14]  * TheOne says usb boot is much faster and less error prone ;)
[05:16] <Daskreech> cardplayer: Does sound like it if it you kicks you out there
[05:16] <cardplayer> iok
[05:17] <cardplayer> ok
[05:17] <Daskreech> cardplayer: Do you have a USB drive?
[05:17] <cardplayer> no
[05:17] <tta> it's not a religion but and application. when you burn fastly since some files are compressed the lens while skip some important or heavy files : result during the installation "errors"
[05:17] <cardplayer> whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[05:18] <Daskreech> cardplayer: KDE
[05:18] <Daskreech> All the difference in the world :)
[05:18] <cardplayer> KDE?
[05:18] <cardplayer> sorry absolute linux noob
[05:18] <Daskreech> !kde
[05:18] <Daskreech> cardplayer: The GUI interface. Just how you interact with the computer
[05:18] <cardplayer> whats the advantage of a kde enviroment
[05:18] <kyubutsu> always check the md5 hash before burning.. also, choose a slower burn speed [like 16x]
[05:18] <Daskreech> Tools are the same mostly but it's just a different way of thinking
[05:19] <cardplayer> better/// worse for noob?
[05:19] <Daskreech> cardplayer: Couldn't tell you for the life of me
[05:19] <tta> no 8x
[05:19] <cardplayer> more///worse stabel?
[05:19] <cardplayer> stable
[05:19] <Daskreech> Part of the good part of choice is that if it's the right choice for you then it's better
[05:19] <greenbean> why ask these questions?
[05:19] <greenbean> just frickin install and be done with it
[05:19] <greenbean> decide for your self
[05:19] <Daskreech> I'd just say it's different from what GNOME is
[05:20] <tta> slowly but surely
[05:20] <tta> ;)
[05:20] <kyubutsu> technically same learning curve across the board when compared to any other desktop environment
[05:20] <Daskreech> cardplayer: I suppose you could argue that GNOME has higher stability but they are both very solid at this point
[05:20] <cardplayer> thanks for your guys input
[05:20] <cardplayer> ill try to reburn it slower
[05:20] <cardplayer> see if it helps
[05:21] <cardplayer> thanks again
[05:21] <Daskreech> cardplayer: GNOME's philosphy is to have less options so you don't get confused
[05:22] <kyubutsu> once you get past the gui style .. apps like dolphin and gwenview are top notch in usability
[05:22] <Daskreech> ha I would have thought of it the other way
[05:23] <Daskreech> once you get past the Style in Nautilus you'll find that it actually can be used
[05:23] <kyubutsu> all said and done , i DO prefer kde to gnome ..
[05:23]  * kyubutsu chuckles
[05:23] <Plagous> Was a skeptic at first, but KDE's starting to grow on me.
[05:23] <Daskreech> Like a plague?
[05:23] <Plagous> Indeed.
[05:23] <tta> please can i compile a c program with anjuta
[05:23] <tta> ?
[05:23] <kyubutsu> its an acquired taste .. like anything new
[05:24] <Daskreech> tta: I'm sure you can if you please
[05:24] <kyubutsu> awkward at first until you get used to it.. same thing if you came from osx into windows , or even from windows xp into vista
[05:24] <tta> what is th proceedure ?
[05:26] <kyubutsu> cosmetic looks shouldnt be your priority when choosing a platform, operating system or desktop environment..
[05:29] <kyubutsu> that being said, chances are anyone new to ubuntu will start off with gnome 'cause thats the default desktop environment
[05:30] <Daskreech> tta: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=623464
[06:10] <roaches> hello
[06:10] <Mase_wk> lo
[06:10] <roaches> anyone on 10.10?
[06:15] <roaches> ... :-(
[06:27] <fiction> why people here don't talk?
[06:27] <kyubutsu> there is #kubuntu-offtopic for chitchat
[06:28] <kyubutsu> here is support talk   :)
[06:29] <fiction> thx
[06:33] <leou> hey
[06:33] <leou> good afternoon to all
[07:44] <ecinx3> is it possible to push the whole screen of another computer via ssh?
[07:45] <ecinx3> I don't knwo what i did but i can't see a thing from my laptop, I was trying to connect an external monitor. But I can open up programs from the laptop via ssh -X
[07:52] <ecinx3> help i can only see the lower part of my scree n
[08:51] <Anthraxium> hello
[08:51] <Anthraxium> is it possible to switch desktops like ubuntu can?
[08:51] <Anthraxium> ctrl+alt+left etc?
[08:53] <dereine> Anthraxium: you can configure this on global keyboard shortcuts
[08:53] <Anthraxium> okay
[08:53] <Anthraxium> KDE is annoying when you're a GNOME user
[10:46] <OchoZero9> are there any options for bluetooth devices?? my keyboard keeps acting up
[10:50] <OchoZero9> it stops responding within 3-10 minutes of idle. sometimes one key will wake it up, sometimes various taps
[11:26] <du_> test
[11:31] <du_> hi,everyone
[11:32] <shady_> hi
[11:33] <igor__> yo
[11:45] <shady_> guys sorry, where could i get codecs for playing video & audio files
[12:08] <shadeslayer> shady_: simply install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:08] <shadeslayer> and everything should work
[12:31] <shadeslayer> !best > shady_
[12:31] <coder2> Hello. Could anybody please tell me where to ask about lirc and vdr?
[12:34] <shadeslayer> shady_: when i need to game i use Vista, other than that Kubuntu for daily usage
[12:35] <seidos> when i need to game i use linux
[12:35] <shadeslayer> shady_: and please ask your questions here :)
[12:35] <seidos> and i die a lot
[12:36] <shadeslayer> seidos: well you can't really run Call of Duty 4 MW 2 on wine can you :P
[12:38] <seidos> shadeslayer: 0 :P
[12:38] <seidos> was that too much?
[12:38] <shadeslayer> huh?
[12:41] <shady_> whoa people talks here too, nice:)
[12:42] <shady_> omg i feel like 10 years behined
[12:54] <shady_> did some1 tried crossover games to run some games?
[13:40] <somekool> shady_ not recently
[13:47] <darkas> recently, my flashplayer stopped working, but the package is still installed. I'm on ubuntu 10.10 64 bit, could anyone please help me with that issue?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:27] <dan_____> Am I silly or are there no application menus (file, etc, settings etc) in these Netbook Remix applications like Kmail o.o;
[14:40] <rtdos> i have a blank grub prompt when i boot my pc: how do i either repair grub from this prompt (minimal bash-like shell) or reinstall grub from the cd?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> blank grub ? or just a blinking cursor?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> rtdos  ^
[14:43] <somekool> rtdos: manual boot and use grub-install program
[14:44] <somekool> there is tons of info on the web
[14:44] <BluesKaj> somekool, we try to help  here, telling ppl to google is not the way to help ppl
[14:48] <somekool> at least I'm giving him a cue. I saw much worse example of poor help, right here, yesterday.
[14:48] <rtdos> blueskaj: blank grub.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> no kernels rtdos , then instll grub from the bashprompt or tty
[14:50] <rtdos> that's where i am at. how can i reconfigure or fix grub from the grub bash shell or reinstall it from the cd ?
[14:51] <rtdos> i used tab to view the list of commands but don't see anything 'obvious'
[14:51] <BluesKaj> rtdos sudo apt-get install grub ,if you have internet
[14:59] <BluesKaj> rtdos, afterwards do sudo update-grub
[14:59] <rtdos> from the grub-bash? it's ethernetted to my router will it still see the internet or do i need to do it from the cd?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> rtdos , tru sudo apt-get update and if you get 404s then you're not connected , then you'll need the live cd
[15:02] <BluesKaj> tru=try
[15:03] <nikitis> Anyone ever experience a weird problem with usb audio mics and locking up KDE while in use?  Once i turn it off KDE unlocks and starts working again.
[15:05] <BluesKaj> nikitis, the only thing I can think of it's seeing the mic a s storage device and nepomuk might be trying to index it , sounds silly but I've heard of thatbefore
[15:07]  * BluesKaj doesn't understand why ppl buy usb mics
[15:07] <nikitis> BluesKaj: hmm okay.  I've noticed xev registers a button press when i turn my mic on.  There is an answer/call or on/off button on the m
[15:08] <nikitis> I had a similar problem before with a RAT 7 Gaming mouse
[15:08] <nikitis> we fixed it by adding it to xorg.conf
[15:08] <nikitis> but not sure how to add this device to xorg
[15:08] <nikitis> it had too many buttons and it would lock up KDE similarly
[15:10] <nikitis> I'm thinking when i press the button it turns the mic on, but keeps it pressed and kde doesn't know to move on
[15:10] <nikitis> Because once I press it again to turn it off, kde resumes
[15:10] <BluesKaj> nikitis, have you located a driver for the mic first of all , otherwise it might not work anyway , even if you recsolve your kde freeze prob
[15:11] <nikitis> the sound system recognizes it
[15:11] <nikitis> and uses it's correct name
[15:12] <BluesKaj> ok then it could be a kde problem which is more difficult, nikitis
[15:12] <BluesKaj> kde 4.6, nikitis ?
[15:12] <nikitis> 4.5.1
[15:13] <BluesKaj> nikitis, maverick ?
[15:13] <nikitis> Yes sir
[15:14] <BluesKaj> nikitis, perhaps am upgrade to kde 4.6 will help solve the problem , have you considered upgrading ?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> am=an
[15:14] <nikitis> i'll try it
[15:14] <nikitis> how do I obtain 4.6
[15:14] <nikitis> my system is a fresh install
[15:16] <BluesKaj> nikitis, sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports, then, sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:16] <nikitis> I'm trying to setup a system work where i use a vm with this mic.  But the VM Crashes the whole system when the mic is loaded onto it.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> a vm just for the mic?
[15:17] <nikitis> no, i have avaya softphone
[15:17] <nikitis> i use for work
[15:17] <nikitis> I have 6 GB's of RAM
[15:18] <nikitis> So what I do is, load 2 VM's
[15:18] <kleopatra> did i miss an answer ... connection broke
[15:18] <nikitis> connect to work using VPN on both VM's
[15:18] <nikitis> one VM is Kubuntu
[15:18] <nikitis> one is xp for the softphone
[15:18] <nikitis> i do my work on the kubuntu one
[15:18] <nikitis> Leaving the regular machine untouched from the VPN
[15:19] <nikitis> so I can browse internet safely without being monitored
[15:19] <BluesKaj> nikitis, well if you want to upgrade , then do the commands I posted above ...I have little knowledger of Virtual Machines and I don't fool around with them , if needde I just dual boot
[15:19] <nikitis> I do that as well :)  But you can't use 3 machines at the same time with dualboot
[15:20] <nikitis> which is required
[15:20] <nikitis> I have the same setup in my windows environment
[15:20] <nikitis> boot win7, load both VM's
[15:21] <nikitis> and it works great
[15:21] <nikitis> but the problem is in KDE doesn't like the mic, and it's the host machine.  So if it doesn't work correctly there, it can't pass that information onto the VM.
[15:21] <nikitis> So my goal is to get it to work in KDE first
[15:22] <nikitis> then problem solved
[15:22] <nikitis> i tried that install of but there was nothing to upgrade itsaid
[15:22] <nikitis> i added the repositories, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:22] <BluesKaj> right, but the vm crashes with mic , right ?
[15:23] <nikitis> Vm crashes when it tries to load the mic hardware.  Not the driver part, but at the hardware abstraction layer
[15:23] <nikitis> detecting the mic
[15:24] <BluesKaj> strange , windows not seing a usb device , did you install the drivers in the vm ?
[15:24] <nikitis> All OS's have the initial detection of hardware, it may not know what it does or how to use it,  but keeps it in mind, and waits for a driver to claim it.
[15:24] <nikitis> the VM already has the driver for it
[15:25] <nikitis> the problem is, KDE doesn't have the hardware correctly
[15:25] <nikitis> so it sends a jacked up hardware ID and freezes up the whole  system when windows tries to take control
[15:26] <nikitis> using the same vm in a windows host, the windows guest detects the hardware fine
[15:26] <nikitis> kde isn't passing the hardware to the vm correctl y
[15:26] <BluesKaj> well, I'd like to stick around . but we need to do our taxes at the local tax agency , so I have to go for a few hrs..BBL
[15:26] <nikitis> because it can't handle itself
[15:26] <nikitis> okay
[15:26] <nikitis> Thanks for help
[15:34] <Aristide> Hi !
[15:34] <Aristide> I have a problem about KDE on Kubuntu
[15:34] <Aristide> I want to switch from this desktop : http://static.pcinpact.com/images/bd/news/mini-87214-kde-4-5-plasma.jpg , to http://high-tech.portail.free.fr/informatique/28-06-2010/kde-45-la-premiere-release-candidate-est-disponible/80370-kde-4-4-environnement-nepomuk.jpg
[15:34] <Aristide> KDE run on eepc
[15:48] <manxome> чо как пацаны?
[15:48] <dextrex> How can i reset my password on my os useraccount?
[15:48] <Riddell> !ru
[15:48] <manxome> есть кто жЫвой?
[15:49] <mr-rich> manxome: ENGLISH PLEASE!
[15:49] <manxome> э алё! меня кто нибудь видит?
[15:50] <Aristide> Heu problem has been fixed !
[15:50] <Aristide> Other problem : When i maximize a window, the title bar is hidden
[15:50] <Aristide> Hi :)
[15:51] <dextrex> How can i reset the user account password on kubuntu 10.10
[15:51] <Riddell> dextrex: k menu -> system settings -> Account Details
[15:52] <dextrex> Riddell:  it wants my old password i dont know what it is...
[15:52] <dextrex> is there any other way to reset the password
[15:52] <Aristide> Riddell, Do you know how i can fix this problem ?
[15:53] <Riddell> dextrex: you'd need to boot a live CD and edit the /etc/passwd file
[15:53] <Aristide> When i maximize a Window, the titlebar is hidden :/
[15:53] <Riddell> Aristide: I'm afraid not, I haven't seen that issue
[15:53] <Aristide> Riddell, Ok
[15:54] <dextrex> so how do i do that?
[15:55] <dextrex> boot live cd and reinstall?]
[15:56] <Riddell> dextrex: boot a live CD, open file manager, mount the hard disk, as root edit /etc/passwd
[16:10] <eagles0513875> hey guys im having issues upgrading from lucid to maverick
[16:10] <eagles0513875> i installed the update-manager-core and ran do-release upgrade yet its saying no newer version O_o
[16:11] <eagles0513875> !upgrade
[16:14] <AYJHBear> c
[16:14] <eagles0513875> hi
[16:14] <AYJHBear> sorry that was an accident.
[16:16] <eagles0513875> anyone have any idea why i cant upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 i am following the upgrade link yet it still tells me that there is no newer version
[16:17] <nikitis> 'eagles0513875 you need to change your package kit software to not only select LTS versions
[16:18] <DarthFrog> eagles0513875:  You have the update manager set to only look for LTS releases.  You need to change that if you want it to find the 10.10 upgrade.
[16:18] <nikitis> 10.04 is the latest LTS
[16:18] <eagles0513875> so it only works with with LTS upgrades?
[16:18] <DarthFrog> No, it works with all upgrades.
[16:18] <DarthFrog> You just have it set to only look for LTS releases.
[16:18] <eagles0513875> no i dont this is a clean install of 10.04
[16:19] <DarthFrog> Exactly.  That's the default setting.
[16:19] <eagles0513875> how do i change that
[16:19] <DarthFrog> In the config section of kpackagekit.
[16:20] <eagles0513875> whoops
[16:20] <eagles0513875> #that was staring me in the face on how to do that on command line lol
[16:42] <speechlessdan> Where is the file menu and such in Netboot? o.O
[16:43] <AYJHBear> my docky doesn't seem to work
[16:43] <AYJHBear> it runs but it disappears (I believe it crashed) after I right click on it
[16:46] <speechlessdan> I'm silly >.> Thanks guys :D
[16:57] <gobi42> what's up guys
[16:59] <gobi42> i just switched to kubuntu from open suse and is there a way that kubuntu can ask for your password just the first time you use an application instead of everytime you use them
[17:01] <DarthFrog> gobi42: Have you tried kwallet?
[17:02] <gobi42> what do you mean do i have to add programs to it or something i mean i use it i login to it everytime i start up my session
[17:03] <DarthFrog> If the app is aware of kwallet, you can store your password there.
[17:04] <gobi42> so like the package manger so i don't have to enter my password everytime i download a new application
[17:04] <DarthFrog> Not sure.  Worth a try.
[17:05] <gobi42> thanks man i'll give it a shot
[19:43] <lb_> Hi; just installed amarok 2.4.0 from ppa-backports, rebooted and now I have some problems with my sound setup
[19:44] <lb_> as I only installed amarok from backports, I am wondering if dist-upgrading every package was a better practice
[19:44] <lb_> does anyone have a clue?
[19:45] <lb_> IOW, after adding ppa-backports, what is best: apt-get install amarok or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[19:46] <BluesKaj> lb_, which ppas, the kde upgrades?
[19:46] <lb_> BluesKaj: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu maverick main
[19:47] <ralf_> hii
[19:49] <ralf_> anybody here not idle currently?
[19:49] <scan> just a quick question: where is the kubuntu netbook edition available? I found the wiki but nothing on it on the downloads page
[19:49] <alesan> hi
[19:49] <ralf_> Scan > they're the same distro now
[19:49] <alesan> one of the most useful features of kubuntu, the "klipper" tool, does not start automatically anymore
[19:49] <alesan> how can I do?
[19:49] <ralf_> just a different package
[19:50] <scan> ralf_: so I just install the normal thing and then what?
[19:50] <lb_> alesan: I think starting it once from the command line made the trick for me
[19:51] <alesan> well
[19:51] <ralf_> next you can change it in system settings
[19:51] <ralf_> hold on i'm looking
[19:51] <alesan> and then how do you shutdown, with 'halt' from the command line of with the graphical shutdown?
[19:51] <ralf_> ah yes
[19:52] <ralf_> scan: next go to workspace behavior
[19:52] <BluesKaj> lb_, that's a std backport , so std amarok install
[19:52] <ralf_> next choose the third tab
[19:52] <ralf_> 'workspace'
[19:52] <ralf_> you can switch between the regular or the netbook desktop
[19:52] <lb_> BluesKaj: thanks, I will further debug what's going on then
[19:53] <scan> ralf_: thanks a lot, will try it when it's done installing
[19:53] <BluesKaj> lb_, check alsamixer for changes
[19:53] <ralf_> scan > it used to be possible to uninstall the desktop not in use
[19:53] <ralf_> for example sudo apt-get remove plasma-netbook
[19:54] <ralf_> not anymore though
[19:54] <scan> ralf_: for now I just hope the partition manager will not crash again
[19:57] <czesiu> hello
[19:58] <czesiu> i have some problem with my ubuntu enybody help me?
[19:58] <BluesKaj> ralf_, what are you trying to remove ?
[19:59] <czesiu> do you now what is right chanell to help me?
[19:59] <BluesKaj> !ask |czesiu
[20:00] <ralf_> @BluesKaj; nothing, I was explaining that it used to be possible to remove the plasma desktop package not in use
[20:00] <ralf_> question though
[20:00] <scan> oh god I clicked 'install' ten minutes ago and it is still loading from disk...
[20:01] <ralf_> I have a huge interest in text to speech solutions
[20:01] <ralf_> i have a couple of cepstral voices installed
[20:01] <ralf_> they work great from the command line
[20:02] <ralf_> but for example in kopete
[20:02] <ralf_> i can redirect incoming/outgoing messages to a script
[20:02] <ralf_> I'd like kopete use the voice to read incoming messages to me
[20:03] <czesiu> some tomes i install something in synaptic i don't remember exacley what was but omething with mac X in name and now when i start ubuntu i see cross on the desktop and i don't have buttons on window to close minimalize or maxymalize i must go to desktop efekt and wnen i chose extra screan efect everything is ok but hwen i restart system i have this same problem
[20:03] <BluesKaj> ralf_, ok ...a minor point , the @ won't highlight a nick on irc , the nick will highlight the line when included in a query or reply
[20:04] <BluesKaj> czesiu, are you on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[20:05] <czesiu> do enybody have some idea
[20:05] <czesiu> ubuntu
[20:05] <czesiu> what the difrents betwen ubuntu and kubuntu?
[20:05] <BluesKaj> czesiu, join #ubuntu , they can help you there
[20:06] <BluesKaj> kubuntu =kde desktop, ubuntu=gnome desktop
[20:07] <czesiu> thx
[20:07] <scan> ah well, obviously I cannot install kubuntu, it crashes all the time so I won't even see the dialog
[20:08] <BluesKaj> scan, live-cd ?
[20:08] <scan> live usb
[20:08] <czesiu> whit one is better for biginer user
[20:09] <scan> czesiu: I'd claim they're both about equal, but some say ubuntu is cleaner and closer to what people are used to (windows)
[20:09] <BluesKaj> czesiu, one isn't better than the other for beginners , but ubuntu has more users and support
[20:10] <BluesKaj> scan, kde has more of a windows 'look' to it IMO :)
[20:11] <scan> BluesKaj: in my opinion, both try to be like apple, you know.. the cool os
[20:11] <BluesKaj> i mean when did windows put the panels at the top as default
[20:11] <scan> also I cannot give any objective opinion on kubuntu cos it won't install
[20:11] <maco> BluesKaj: i honestly don't think the location of the apps menu is the biggest thing in the world
[20:12] <BluesKaj> !alternate |scan
[20:12] <maco> i understand when gnome is compared to osx for getting rid of options though
[20:12] <BluesKaj> maybe not to an ubuntu user, scan
[20:13] <BluesKaj> and maco
[20:14] <scan> BluesKaj: Ubuntu user by heart, only looking for the right thing for my lappy
[20:15] <BluesKaj> and the default cartooney 'look' in previous gnome desktops and icons ...dunno what's gonna happen next with gnome 3 /unity etc
[20:16] <BluesKaj> scan, anyway have you considered the alternate install ? It might work for you.
[20:16] <scan> BluesKaj: downloading, currently
[20:17] <scan> BluesKaj: coulda thought of it myself, thanks
[20:18] <BluesKaj> I used it the last time I did the clean install on my 6 yr old compaq amd64 desktop , because the live cd din't recognize some of the HW
[20:21] <BluesKaj> scan, it's reminiscent of the older debian OS installs like lenny
[20:21] <scan> BluesKaj: Who's lenny?
[20:22] <czesiu> leny kravitz
[20:22] <Daughain> Ummmmm.......Debian Lenny, a release....
[20:23] <scan> maybe I should just do gentoo
[20:24] <BluesKaj> well debian lenny isn't so old , but itwas recently superceded by 'squeeze' aka 6.0
[20:25] <BluesKaj> scan, do you like hair shirts ? :)
[20:25] <scan> BluesKaj: Pardon me?
[20:27] <BluesKaj> scan, a friend once said , installing gentoo is like wearing a hair shirt
[20:27]  * BluesKaj feels the OT cops on his trail
[20:28] <scan> BluesKaj: Naw, installing gentoo is like wasting 10 hours of compile time, then just switching back to ubuntu anyway
[20:29] <BluesKaj> compiling is a pita , sometimes it has to be done but I avoid it as much as possible
[20:30] <scan> BluesKaj: I always compile my own ghc, it is so much better house made
[20:33] <scan> argh now the usb creator crashes!
[20:33] <scan> I'll just leave it
[20:34]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[20:39] <scan> thanks for your help, everyone
[20:52] <adek> Hello. I'm new to KDE and I seem to be having problems with sound. When one application is playing something, another application is unable to use the sound. Is that normal?
[20:53] <achondria> That is not normal
[20:55] <ralf_> what computer do you have?
[20:55] <adek> Say Dragon Player is paused, watching a video on youtube is pointless, there's no sound.
[20:55] <adek> Uhm... I built the machine, but it uses ASUS mobo and an AMD64
[20:55] <adek> the soundcard is VIA
[20:55] <ralf_> using the built-in sound?
[20:55] <achondria> adek: I'm not sure what causes that, I've seen it happen
[20:55] <adek> ralf_: yes
[20:56] <ralf_> hmm
[20:56] <achondria> adek: have you tried using proprietary drivers?
[20:56] <ralf_> might be a pulseaudio problem
[20:56] <ralf_> so if you have both programs open
[20:56] <ralf_> and one plays audio
[20:56] <adek> ralf_: there's pulseaudio in KDE? I thought it's Phonon
[20:57] <ralf_> not the same thing
[20:57] <adek> oh
[20:57] <ralf_> phonon is a Qt multimedia framework
[20:57] <adek> there are no proprietary drivers
[21:00] <ralf_> sounds like a driver issue
[21:00] <ralf_> i have a windows machine kicking around, for ableton live
[21:00] <ralf_> similar problem
[21:00] <ralf_> i can have one audio producing app running
[21:00] <ralf_> if i open a second one
[21:01] <ralf_> the first one starts throwing up these weird kernel errors
[21:01] <adek> wow
[21:01] <adek> Here it happens only in KDE
[21:01] <ralf_> well you can try and narrow it down
[21:01] <ralf_> by running gnome or xfce
[21:02] <adek> gnome one works fine
[21:02] <adek> but that's not a solution
[21:02] <ralf_> not really
[21:03] <adek> :/
[21:04] <achondria> what is KDE using for a sound daemon these days? I remember there were options like alsa and openss that sometimes had issues
[21:05] <ralf_> yeah
[21:05] <ralf_> might be worth a try
[21:05] <ralf_> try installing the alsa-oss package
[21:05] <ralf_> then prefixing your application with aoss
[21:05] <ralf_> for example aoss amarok
[21:05] <adek> should I remove anything before that?
[21:06] <ralf_> not to my knowledge
[21:06] <ralf_> i use this trick to get the cepstral voices working
[21:10] <adek> hey if the package has an X in KPackageKit that means it's installed?
[21:12] <achondria> adek: usually it has a check in front of it. Which version of Kubuntu are you using?
[21:12] <adek> 10.04.2
[21:12] <adek> 4.6 KDE
[21:12] <achondria> Yeah, i think that had an x on the right if it was installed
[21:13] <achondria> an arrow if it wasn't installed
[21:13] <adek> hmmm, then I have some alsa stuff installed and some phonon
[21:15] <adek> VIA VT1708S
[21:15] <adek> this is the soundcard
[21:15] <achondria> can you bring up a terminal window and do 'which aoss'
[21:16] <adek> nothing shows up
[21:16] <achondria> adek: the package you need then is alsa-oss
[21:17] <adek> Ok, let me install it then.
[21:17] <adek> Let's see.
[21:17] <achondria> if you can't find it in kpackage, then do 'sudo apt-get install alsa-oss'
[21:18] <adek> Should I restart the system?
[21:18] <adek> adek@home:~$ which aoss
[21:18] <adek> /usr/bin/aoss
[21:19] <achondria> good, no need to restart , just try what ralf had mantioned
[21:19] <george__> hello, how can i change my computer's name on my Kubuntu 10.04 netbook?
[21:20] <adek> I have to precede every application with this???
[21:20] <achondria> just for testing yes
[21:20] <achondria> george__: you should be able to change the name in the /etc/hostname file
[21:21] <george__> oooh =0
[21:21] <george__> thanks ^^
[21:21] <achondria> ur welcome
[21:22] <adek> but I can't start firefox with aoss
[21:22] <adek> lol
[21:23] <achondria> adek: if I remember correctly, if you right click on the volume taskbar icon, you can get to some config pages
[21:23] <george__> ok that fixed it up, thanks achondria
[21:23] <adek> ok, starting dragon player stole the sound from amarok
[21:23] <adek> even with those commands in front
[21:23] <achondria> george__: awesome
[21:24] <achondria> adek: go into those config pages and see if you can select the alsa-oss sound daemon
[21:24] <ralf_> adek: try running one program with aoss
[21:24] <ralf_> the other as-is
[21:25] <adek> there are no config pages here
[21:25] <adek> just Kmix handbook
[21:25] <achondria> im a bit rusty, I'll go look at another pc
[21:25] <ralf_> i don't the mixer will help
[21:25] <adek> Sound drivers supported: ALSA + OSS + PulseAudio
[21:25] <adek> Sound drivers used: ALSA
[21:26] <adek> can I remove entire sound and install what gnome has?
[21:26] <ralf_> don't know
[21:27] <ralf_> i figure it'll be hacky
[21:27] <achondria> ralf_ what do you think? I've never run gnome
[21:27] <achondria> ah
[21:27] <ralf_> can you please try the following
[21:27] <ralf_> and report the result
[21:27] <ralf_> close all audio programs
[21:28] <ralf_> anything that may produce sound
[21:28] <ralf_> next run one program with aoss
[21:28] <ralf_> the other as is
[21:28] <ralf_> for example
[21:28] <ralf_> aoss firefox
[21:28] <ralf_> amarok
[21:28] <FloodBotK1> ralf_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:31] <adek> ok just one second
[21:33] <adek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/573666/
[21:33] <adek> this is huge
[21:33] <ralf_> no wait
[21:33] <ralf_> if you run aoss firefox
[21:33] <ralf_> just run amarok normally
[21:34] <adek> firefox won't run with aoss
[21:34] <adek> it doesn't start
[21:34] <ralf_> hmm
[21:34] <adek> I can try between dragon and amarok
[21:34] <ralf_> ok
[21:35] <adek> But which output do you need
[21:36] <adek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/573668/
[21:37] <adek> I remember I tried KDE on openSUSE and had the exact same problem. That's what stopped me from using KDE in the first place heheh.
[21:39] <adek> when amarok is playing and I start dragon this is what I get
[21:39] <adek> Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.
[21:39] <adek> IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon
[21:40] <achondria> adek: what happens if try aoss dragon AND aoss amarok?
[21:42] <adek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/573671/
[21:43] <achondria> adek: was that killing everything and starting from over?
[21:43] <adek> fresh start
[21:43] <achondria> adek: dayum
[21:43] <adek> what?
[21:44] <adek> what is taht?
[21:44] <adek> that*
[21:44] <achondria> adek: it's being a pita
[21:44] <adek> I don't understand :)
[21:44] <achondria> lol sry 'dayum' = damn
[21:45] <adek> oh lol
[21:45] <adek> ok, can't help it, KDE isn't meant to work on this computer I guess
[21:46] <achondria> ok, so if you go into system settings, and select sound and video config...
[21:46] <adek> brb
[21:46] <achondria> ok
[21:47] <ralf_> well to be honest
[21:47] <ralf_> when I started with ubuntu
[21:47] <adek> I guess I'll have to go back to gnome, sound HAS TO WORK no matter what
[21:47] <ralf_> the problems i experienced with kde very nearly put me off
[21:47] <ralf_> but they're all fixed now
[21:47] <ralf_> at least for me
[21:48] <ralf_> and i really prefer KDE because it uses Qt
[21:48] <ralf_> I have been developing in Qt for over a year now
[21:48] <adek> what's so nice about QT?
[21:48] <adek> oh, then that's a different reason
[21:48] <ralf_> well apart from that
[21:48] <ralf_> the funny thing is
[21:49] <ralf_> that back when I used to run Windows
[21:49] <achondria> I think the apps in KDE and the way the windowing system works meets my needs better than anything else
[21:49] <ralf_> I developed a program running on Litestep
[21:50] <ralf_> which turned out to work in the same vein as plasma-desktop
[21:50] <adek> I don't have anything else agains KDE, maybe that drag and drop but which is damn stupid and shouldn't get out to final release.
[21:50] <ralf_> so what achondria says; it meets my needs better than the others
[21:50] <adek> But sound ...
[21:50] <adek> drag and drop bug*
[21:50] <achondria> adek: have you tried KDE 10.10?
[21:50] <ralf_> try googling your motherboard
[21:51] <ralf_> +sound +kde +via maybe
[21:51] <achondria> i m sry i meant kubuntu 10.10
[21:52] <adek> Uhm, I'm having too many problems with the kernel and video drivers on 10.10
[21:53] <adek> ralf, I'll have to read around, but I see others have the same problem
[21:53] <achondria> It may just be a poorly supported mobo for kubuntu
[21:53] <adek> Thanks guys for your input.
[21:53] <adek> It's really appreciated
[21:53] <adek> Great effort.
[21:53] <achondria> glad to brainstorm with you
[21:53] <adek> Can't get this on arch channels lol
[21:55] <ralf_> for what it's worth
[21:55] <ralf_> my old custom built machine
[21:55] <ralf_> with asus mobo
[21:56] <ralf_> has it's onboard sound disabled in the bios
[21:56] <ralf_> and an audigy 2 zs card plugged in
[21:56] <ralf_> with the kX open drivers
[21:57] <ralf_> this might not help you maybe
[21:58] <jhutchins> !enter
[22:17] <adek> ralf_: Uhm, I have an old soundblaster, but this built in is far better lol
[22:19] <adek> what does phonon do?
[22:21] <hexch> hi, I have this strange problem, when my laptop goes to standby I can't do anything it's just black screen
[22:23] <hexch> anyone?
[22:38] <Aristidounet> Hi !
[22:38] <Aristidounet> I have a problem about kde's effect
[22:39] <Aristidounet> I must enable this feature manually
[22:39] <Aristidounet> He don't want to be enabled for ever
[22:39] <Aristidounet> I search a solution for fix this problem since two days
[22:40] <Aristidounet> no stop
[22:42] <anas> salut
[22:42] <Aristidounet> Hi anas
[22:42] <Aristidounet> Please speak english here :)
[22:42] <anas> ah ok
[22:42] <anas> sorry
[22:43] <anas> please i wonder about a command which can restore Ubuntu
[22:43] <anas> it exists ??
[22:45] <anas> can u help me please
[22:45] <Aristidounet> I don't know sorry anas
[22:45] <anas> :(
[22:46] <anas> because i install the pachage of KDE and Ubuntu became less faster :( :(
[22:46] <james147> anas: define "restore".... there is no one command to completely reset kubuntu to a fresh installed state... except reintalling it :p
[22:46] <anas> i haven't the CD now
[22:46] <anas> :D
[22:46] <james147> !puregnome
[22:47] <anas> that's why i serch for immediat solution :D :p
[22:47] <anas> thank you ubottu
[22:47] <james147> !ubottu
[22:48] <TTA> during the installation of my ubuntu 10.10 when i select the language the screen displays :Ubi-language failed with exit code 2. further information maybe found in/var/log/syslog. And when i click on"try again" the message comes again.what do i have to now?please
[22:48] <james147> TTA: see #ubuntu for help with ubuntu
[22:49] <anas> dont tell me that ubotto is a robot :D
[22:49] <maco> anas: well she doesnt have a body...
[22:49] <maco> but she is just software
[22:50] <anas> hhhh i understand :p
[22:50] <anas> i didn't pay attention that's the story :)
[23:08] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[23:12] <wqapol> When I try to eject a disc, it sayys it is busy. How to I detect what is using the DVD disc?
[23:20] <wqapol> sudo lsof | grep /dev/sr0 ........ return nothing
[23:20] <francesco_> hello
[23:21] <francesco_> i have some issue on kde 4 : rebd
[23:21] <francesco_> i have some issue on kde 4 : render issue on firefox and kopete
[23:24] <francesco_> now i'm on kde 4.6 but it also happened on kde 4.5 ( i have intel graphics card )
[23:25] <francesco_> any hint ?
[23:25] <francesco_> it is linked with kwin because only when i activate the effects happens
[23:29] <Aristidounet> ><
[23:29] <Aristidounet> Hi ^^'
[23:29] <Aristidounet> The "dialog effect" of compiz is apply to "openoffice's" and "libreoffice's" menus
[23:29] <Aristidounet> But a zoom effect for 1s is not fun on menu ...
[23:30] <Aristidounet> But on context menu on desktop, the menu has a fade effect
[23:30] <Aristidounet> How use a fad effect on ooo's menu ?
[23:30] <Aristidounet> *menus
[23:30] <cato37> there is a way to restore kubuntu back to its default settings and restoring the desktop and getting rid of the login names and such, witout reintslling the system, but i cant remember the nomenclature. what words do i need to use to look up restoring kubuntu without reinstalling? (i hope that made sense)


[18:23] <micahg> charlie-tca: I have to leave at 20:00 UTC today
[18:23] <charlie-tca> okay. Le's try and keep the meeting short
[18:23] <charlie-tca> I am still trying to finish the 10.04.2 iso testing
[18:24] <knome> charlie-tca, what's the status in the wallpaper discussion?
[18:24] <knome> charlie-tca, iirc, the submission deadline was last thu
[18:24] <charlie-tca> no
[18:24] <knome> no?
[18:24] <charlie-tca> deadline is March 10
[18:25] <knome> hmm...
[18:26] <charlie-tca> UserInterfaceFreeze is March 24
[18:27] <knome> right
[18:27] <knome> where did i read last thu then. probably have mixed the months
[18:27] <charlie-tca> yeah, probably
[18:28] <charlie-tca> It's okay, the schedule been juggled a couple of times now for natty
[18:28] <charlie-tca> It is hard to keep track of things
[18:28] <knome> yeah.
[18:29] <knome> i don't know if you noticed but there was a short break in the wikiservice, which is fixed now.
[18:30] <charlie-tca> yeah?
[18:30] <charlie-tca> ain't had a chance to notice
[18:30] <knome> no problem then. (i meant wiki.knome.fi of course..)
[18:31] <knome> it's a bit slower than it used to be, but i can't do much about it since i changed the hosting plan
[18:31] <charlie-tca> No, I don't hit that unless someone tells me I need to get an update
[18:43] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 15 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[18:59] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: meeting?
[19:11] <micahg> ochosi: I have to leave right after the meeting, but maybe later
[19:12] <ochosi> micahg: ok, just one thing that i wanted to note: you said you're packaging gmusicbrowser for debian too, and last time i said it would be better to package upstream directly for debian
[19:12] <ochosi> micahg: but maybe i forgot to mention that for xubuntu we want the shimmer-version of gmusicbrowser
[19:13] <micahg> I was working on packaging upstream gmusicbrowser for Debian
[19:14] <ochosi> okeydokey
[19:14] <micahg> does upstream not want the shimmer patches?
[19:14] <ochosi> well squentin said he will integrate them all for the next stable version, but who knows how long it'll take for that one
[19:14] <knome> the gmb main is going to include the shimmer layout, but not as default
[19:14] <ochosi> he's already integrating them bit by bit
[19:14] <micahg> ok, well we can add the shimmer stuff on top in Ubuntu
[19:15] <ochosi> yeah, the default layout, icon theme etc is another thing
[19:15] <micahg> I just wanted to get the base in Debian updated
[19:15] <ochosi> but currently the layout won't work with the upstream version
[19:15] <micahg> is the release stable enough (1.1.6 is marked a beta release upstream)
[19:15] <ochosi> yes, definitely stable enough
[19:15] <ochosi> i've been testing the 1.1.* versions for a year now
[19:16] <micahg> ok
[19:19] <micahg> I should be able to get it in before feature freeze
[19:20] <ochosi> ok thanks micahg
[19:20] <charlie-tca> micahg: that is the 24th
[19:21] <micahg> charlie-tca: I know, I have Monday off :)
[19:21] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:27] <ochosi> micahg: so monday would be a good deadline for us to have gmusicbrowser-shimmer ready for xubuntu?
[19:28] <micahg> ochosi: I think so
[19:28] <micahg> ochosi: are you thinking a separate package or just patches?
[19:28] <ochosi> micahg: ok, i'll work hard on it, the list (http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:natty_gmb) seems manageable
[19:29] <ochosi> micahg: i would rather have a separate package, although i guess i could try and track the changes i did in the last year
[19:29] <micahg> ochosi: with just the shimmer changes or all of gmusicbrowser?
[19:30] <ochosi> micahg: separate package would mean all of gmusicbrowser i guess...
[19:30] <ochosi> micahg: tbh i always assumed we would just take the packages from the shimmer ppa
[19:32] <mr_pouit> are the changes big? or is it only the layout?
[19:32] <micahg> ochosi: I don't like the idea of a full fork, especially if the changes are being integrated, but I think we should ask mr_pouit :)
[19:33] <ochosi> well, the changes are really mainly to the ui, so not drastic
[19:33] <ochosi> if anyone helps me with patches or other ways of using an additional "shimmer" package i'm fine with that
[19:34] <micahg> mr_pouit: what you you think of just included those patches in gmusicbrowser itself
[19:34] <mr_pouit> I would prefer to have only one gmusicbrowser
[19:35] <mr_pouit> since the patches are going to be included upstream anyway, it sounds ok to ship them in gmusicbrowser
[19:35] <mr_pouit> but we can still split the new layout in xubuntu-default-settings and enable it by default only there
[19:37] <ochosi> if you like we can discuss the changes i did later
[19:37] <ochosi> i mean maybe not today later, but tomorrow or something
[19:46] <ochosi> mr_pouit, micahg: i can also talk about this with upstream, but the thing is that the deadline (monday) is really tough for that
[19:47] <micahg> ochosi: next week is feature freeze, so I should just get 1.1.6 in, if you're just making UI changes, we have another month
[19:54] <Sysi> i'm getting new natty image and i noticed our cdimage.ubuntu.com site is orange, do we have any control over it?
[19:54] <Sysi> kubuntu site is blue
[19:54] <charlie-tca> we don't have much control over it, no
[19:55] <charlie-tca> I will try to find out if we can get it changed
[19:56] <charlie-tca> I never actually noticed that, Sysi
[19:56] <charlie-tca> thanks
[19:57] <charlie-tca> If Kubuntu can be blue, we should be able to change the banner color
[19:57] <davmor2> cdimages or xubuntu's download page?
[19:58] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.10/release/
[19:59] <charlie-tca> is not the same as Ubuntu
[19:59] <Sysi> download page is alright, but links to orange pages
[19:59] <davmor2> yeah that should be themeable let me have a quick chat with our web guys to see if it's them or someone else who deals with it
[19:59] <charlie-tca> compared to http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/
[20:03] <Sysi> 10.04 don't have banner, brown topics aren't that bad
[20:04] <charlie-tca> note to the website team:
[20:04] <charlie-tca> We give links to both 10.04 and 10.10 mirrors, but never explain what the difference is on http://xubuntu.org/get
[20:07] <beardygnome> hi charlie-tca, did i miss the whole meeting?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> um, yeah
[20:07] <charlie-tca> I will get the minutes out this time, though
[20:08] <charlie-tca> We want natty testers
[20:08] <beardygnome> just download the latest iso and get log any bugs to the ml?
[20:08] <beardygnome> *and log...
[20:08] <charlie-tca> If you are in a hurry, http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/
[20:09] <Sysi> i will learn bug reporting too..
[20:09] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:09] <charlie-tca> We will teach you how to report the bugs. But that is the idea, download the latest iso, install it and check it out, every couple of days, to see what got messed up
[20:10] <charlie-tca> example, abiword and gnumeric
[20:10] <beardygnome> we on alpha 2 now?
[20:10] <charlie-tca> latest versions changed how the background and forground colors work, and are blacking out text
[20:10] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:10] <charlie-tca> use the daily -
[20:11] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/
[20:11] <charlie-tca> in current
[20:11] <charlie-tca> That has the latest changes in it
[20:12] <beardygnome> is there a torrent for it, or do we just hammer the ubuntu servers?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> no torrent. either hammer or zsync it
[20:13] <charlie-tca> there won't be enough of us for them to even notice, will there?
[20:13] <beardygnome> ok - are there any differences between the the 32 and 64 bit images (other than the obvious!)?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> nope
[20:13] <charlie-tca> They should match
[20:14] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: although some days, one will work and the other won't :-)
[20:14] <beardygnome> ok, thanks charlie-tca
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Thank you for doing that


[00:04] <Jordan_U> k1l: Racist stuff?
[00:04] <k1l> nazi stuff
[00:04] <Jordan_U> Ahh, from the link (which I didn't visite) I presume?
[00:04] <k1l> white pride and sieg heil mousepads catalog
[00:05] <Jordan_U> Got it.
[00:06] <k1l> i bet its the one that got kicked out of ot today several times
[00:10] <phunyguy> oh that guy
[00:10] <phunyguy> the holocaust wasn't real, etc
[00:10] <phunyguy> or was a hoax
[00:10] <phunyguy> some nonsense.
[00:10] <k1l> yep, saw that in bt
[23:53] <Jordan_U> @comment 67933 Incomprehensible messages about Iraq/Obama , probably a markov chain bot, 30 days


[03:37] <RedSingularity> Anyone have info on a memory leak with gnome-power-manager in 10.04?  I would like to fix it even if its just a patch. bug 569273 to be specific.
[03:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 569273 in indicator-application (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 7 other projects) "memory leak in gnome-power-manager (affects: 119) (dups: 4) (heat: 549)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569273
[04:08] <Abhijit> hi
[04:09] <Abhijit> i am using xsane. and each time i scan a page i need to manually again and again select the directory to save the file. why cant xsane remember my choice? should i file a bug? or there is wordaround?
[04:09] <Abhijit> i mean its xsane bug or nautilus? where to submit bug?
[04:10] <Abhijit> nautilus or gnome becuae i am using lucid
[04:16] <Abhijit> m submitting against xsane.
[04:16] <micahg> Abhijit: you might want to check and see if it's fixed in oneiric
[04:17] <Abhijit> micahg, how to check that? i dont have oneiric
[04:17] <micahg> Abhijit: testdrive?
[04:17] <Abhijit> micahg, okies.
[15:28] <bdmurray> pedro_: Hey I'm working on a new function for my bug bot that will likely affect you a bit.  I'll be moving apport-bug reports from no package to the SourcePackage in the description if they haven't been moved to new package.  I'm going to blacklist some packages like yelp, nautilus, evince, and gnome-terminal though.
[15:29] <bdmurray> er haven't been moved to *no* package
[15:30] <pedro_> bdmurray, hello!, so if I've moved a yelp bug to 'Ubuntu' its going to be moved back to yelp?
[15:31] <bdmurray> pedro_: no here's the code relevant to that
[15:31] <bdmurray>         target_set = [a.newvalue for a in task.bug.activity if a.whatchanged == 'affects']
[15:31] <bdmurray>         if 'ubuntu' in target_set:
[15:31] <bdmurray>             continue
[15:31] <bdmurray> so the activity log is checked to see if the affects has been set to 'ubuntu' by someone
[15:32] <pedro_> Ok it sounds fine then, i was worried about that part
[15:33] <bdmurray> pedro_: and if there is some package that gets lots of generic bug reports let me know and I'll add it to the blacklist
[15:34] <pedro_> ok will do it
[16:12] <RedSingularity> lifeless: I have gotten an error message in launchpad for a while with this particular report.  Have a look:  bug 626798
[16:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 626798 in update-manager (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "update-manager crashed with DBusException in _run() (affects: 420) (dups: 540) (heat: 3370)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/626798
[16:14] <roadmr> RedSingularity: tried the text version? https://launchpad.net/bugs/626798/+text
[16:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 626798 in update-manager (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "update-manager crashed with DBusException in _run() (affects: 420) (dups: 540) (heat: 3370)" [Medium,Fix released]
[16:14] <roadmr> RedSingularity: I agree the problem with launchpad should be fixed but at least that way you can look at the report
[16:15] <RedSingularity> roadmr: Well I am trying to link a duplicate.  So its a known problem then?
[16:15] <RedSingularity> roadmr: what is the problem anyway?  Seems like most reports work fine.....
[16:16] <roadmr> RedSingularity: I've seen it before, that's why I know the +text trick, but it's only on some reports, not sure what causes it
[16:17] <RedSingularity> roadmr: has the launchpad team been notified?
[16:17] <roadmr> RedSingularity: not sure, maybe we could look in launchpad (itself) bug reports
[16:17] <roadmr> RedSingularity: I've seen it in bug reports with like a zillion comments and/or huge attachments, but this one seems rather normal
[16:18] <RedSingularity> roadmr: I will shoot a comment into #launchpad
[17:12] <bdmurray> pedro_: perhaps bug 509651 is fixed?
[17:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 509651 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "polkitd crashed with SIGSEGV in dbus_message_iter_append_basic() (affects: 105) (dups: 33) (heat: 464)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509651
[17:17] <pedro_> bdmurray, should be on 11.04 / 11.10 , i'll comment on it
[17:17] <pedro_> thanks for raising it ;-)
[17:22] <bdmurray> pedro_: I've cleared all the backlog of no package apport-bugs now and will run it regularly
[17:34] <ikt> people reporting google chrome bugs, basically just set to invalid and direct to the google chrome bug reporting page yes?
[17:35] <ikt> or just file against chromium-browser?
[17:38] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: I just moved a few no package bug reports, that were reported via apport,  to linux.
[17:39] <jsalisbury> bdmurray, ok.  They were reported with apport, but a package name wasn't supplied?
[17:40] <ikt> which bug report?
[17:40] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: well a package name appears in the description but the reporter removed the package name when at the Launchpad bug filing web page (at least thats my hypothesis)
[17:41] <ikt> it's a theory not a hypothesis
[17:41] <jsalisbury> bdmurray, ah, ok.  Can you provide the bug number, so I cna see if it shows up in the reports?
[17:41] <bdmurray> bug 723378 is one example
[17:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 723378 in linux (Ubuntu) "labtops shut down by the decoupling of fixed power supply (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723378
[17:42] <jsalisbury> bdmurray, thanks
[17:43] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/855265
[17:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 855265 in ubuntu "sys (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:43] <ikt> good bug report
[17:48] <bdmurray> pedro_: I only did new bug reports but will also hit confirmed (I reviewed them and it looked good)
[17:49] <jsalisbury> bdmurray, just curious who you found them.  Did you run a script that searches the bug description for "Package: linux-image"?
[17:49] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: well as script that searched for all the New bugs without a package tagged apport-bug and then checking the description line by line for sourcepackage
[17:50] <jsalisbury> bdmurray, cool, thanks
[17:50] <pedro_> bdmurray, Its going to be interesting for the ones in Confirmed, cause in 'theory' if it was confirmed to be a bug it should have been assigned to a proper package before setting that status
[17:51] <bdmurray> pedro_: it was people confirming their own or the janitor in one case
[17:51] <pedro_> woo for people confirming their own reports
[17:51] <pedro_> :-)
[18:28] <bdmurray> Good news is there are no Triaged ones!
[18:31] <kees> "Good news everybody!"
[18:35] <hjd> I wonder about bug 509101. The latest comment mentions it is fixed in a new version, and the changelog indicates this as well (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/supertux/0.3.3-2). Would it be ok to mark this fix released and leave a comment with a link to the changelog?
[18:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 509101 in supertux (Ubuntu) "SuperTux add-ons are disabled (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509101
[18:41] <seb128> bdmurray, pedro_: hey, do you know how we get bugs reported against "ubuntu" when the report has a "package:" line?
[18:41] <seb128> i.e how come those don't land on the said package?
[18:42] <bdmurray> seb128: my guess is people remove it at +filebug page
[18:43] <seb128> bdmurray, hum, ok, do we have a lot of those?
[18:44] <bdmurray> seb128: there were about 100 old New ones like that which I just moved to the package
[18:44] <bdmurray> seb128: and going forward by bugbot will do this regularly
[18:44] <seb128> ok, that's not too much
[18:44] <seb128> I was wondering if the launchpad ui is really confusing for users and worth a bug report
[18:44] <seb128> but that's an ok number
[18:44] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks ;-)


[00:44] <keithzg> valorie: It's definitely *supposed* to be about baloo. (In the end I just used balooctl to stop the indexing . . . although it still seems to be chewing up CPU cycles even though it's now reporting "idle").
[00:45] <keithzg> Weird that the kcm has gone missing.
[00:48] <valorie> hmmm, strange
[00:48] <valorie> I wonder why apt-cache doesn't found that
[01:21] <keithzg> valorie: "dpkg -L kinfocenter | grep fileindex" seems to show that the rest of the fileindexermonitor KCM is . . . maybe there? Hmm. Judging by https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kinfocenter.git it's certainly from the kinfocenter git repo, at least, so I would've thought it'd be packaged with kinfocenter.
 any devs here?
 this is not a website bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/1573860
 No.
 is it a known issue?
 Change the bug to mysql?
 The mysql change has not been a smooth transition. So kinda yeah. Assign it to them and I am sure they will kick it back if our problem.
 ok
 thank you
 Not at home, or near laptop to look at bug
 you helped me even like this
 you rule/rock
[09:36] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F-1cuBfSm0
 is snap just an Ubuntu thing?
 or is it cross distros?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:42] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi Freinds, this is XChat on my Ubuntu Tablet, with Kbd and Mouse..
[12:42] <Sick_Rimmit> It's pretty cool
[12:42]  * Sick_Rimmit Grins like a Cheshire cat
 Nice!
 /jealous
[13:12] <soee_> yofel: shouldn't plasma-pa be installed when upgrading to 16.04? One user reported that kmix was uninstalled during upgrade but plasma-pa was not added
[14:10] <mamarley> I am still using kmix for now because plasma-pa won't let you change the default audio device, and several of my computers want to display the volume of the the HDMI audio device even though that isn't normally the one I use.
[14:10] <mamarley> I hear that is fixed in the next release, though, maybe that could get staged soon? :)
[14:11] <BluesKaj> mamarley, which audio chip ?
[14:12] <mamarley> BluesKaj: Intel HDA and NVIDIA HDMI
[14:12] <ahoneybun> weird my correct audio is picked
[14:12] <ahoneybun> only when I'm messing with webcams and such
[14:15] <BluesKaj> mamarley, you can run successfully without pulseaudio with the snd-hda-intel driver , I usually purge pulseaudio and pulseaudio-utils and let alsa be the sound server ...works fine here
[14:15] <mamarley> BluesKaj: It isn't that the sound comes out of the wrong device by default (it doesn't), plasma-pa just displays the wrong volume control.
[14:16] <mamarley> Ironically enough, however, on this particular laptop the audio *will* come out the wrong device if I disable PulseAudio, requiring lots of asoundrc incantations to fix.
[14:17] <mamarley> Also, it makes it really difficult to switch between audio outputs at all, which is why I installed PulseAudio on it in the first place back a long time ago.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> well, that's your call , mamarley , i find it easier to set up my audio outputs in vlc with alsa as the  default playback device in system settings>multimedia
[14:20] <mamarley> In VLC it is easy, but some other programs make it much more difficult.  With PulseAudio, I can switch devices on any stream at any time.
[14:21] <mamarley> (I actually used to be a PulseAudio-hater, believe it or not.)
[14:29] <BluesKaj> yeah pulse has it;s uses for simultaneous sources etc , but I have no need for them
[14:31] <BluesKaj> anyway fwiw I thought I'd  let you know about the advanatges of the intel driver/chip over other chips thet require pulse to work because they're written to depnd on it
[14:32] <BluesKaj> depend even
[14:33] <BluesKaj> obviously pulse has a bug on 15.10 and 16.04, I've seen that hdmi default card0 setting before
[14:43] <BluesKaj> mamarley, try using pavucontrol , i found that a handy  output tool for setting up my m-audio card
[16:54]  * sheytan done with fresh install
[16:54] <sheytan> There are many of empty Activities called Desktop created after you clean install. Anybody can confirm?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> sheytan, clean install to a separate /  and /home setup or just / ?
[17:15] <sheytan> BluesKaj: just / but deleted all the hidden files before first run
[17:15] <sheytan> from /home/user ofc
[17:17] <ahoneybun> wow bluetooth audio is garbage
[17:19] <BluesKaj> sheytan,  why delete the hidden files ?
[17:24] <ahoneybun> mm
[17:29] <BluesKaj> sheytan, my advice would be to reinstall kubuntu-desktop and plasma-desktop. Then activities will be restored so you can set them up as you wish.
[17:29] <sheytan> BluesKaj: to prevent from misbehaviour of KDE stuff
[17:29] <sheytan> already deleted them
[17:29] <sheytan> so no big deal
[17:29] <sheytan> just as fresh install my confuse others
[17:29] <BluesKaj> well it is a big deal , those are important files
[17:30] <sheytan> BluesKaj: so I reported, now ppl can deal with it :)
[17:30] <BluesKaj> you're the one who has to deal with missing important files
[17:31] <sheytan> what files do you mean?
[17:31] <BluesKaj> hidden
[17:31] <sheytan> I did a fresh install, so it's not worth anything for me :)
[17:31] <sheytan> I configure everything from scratch
[17:31] <BluesKaj> ok , nm
[17:31] <sheytan> just keep my privat stuff on /home
[17:32]  * BluesKaj shrugs and wanders off
[20:03] <mparillo> I am up to three physical laptops and one VM that the Xenial boots straight to the live session (which I prefer) and only one that boots to the try / install dialog.
[20:05] <JavaBean> same for me mparillo, only my "ancient" netbook (first gen intel atom) has the try/install dialog
[20:11] <mparillo> Mine is an Acer One. With only 1GB and an Atom, so I wonder if it is timing related.
[20:12] <mparillo> That was the one that 'worked'
[20:12] <mparillo> As I said, I prefer the live session, as I use it live more than I install.
[20:19] <JavaBean> i install to usb 3.0 128g thumbdrives... i am not weird
[20:23] <mparillo> So many use cases.


[12:30] <laga_> groovy.
[12:41] <laga_> superm1: i've just kicked off the build
[12:41] <laga_> i hope this work
[12:41] <laga_> s
[12:41] <superm1> me too
[12:42] <laga_> if not then i'm gonna.. um.. ask you to do it for me ;)
[12:42] <superm1> well luckily the entire build env is pretty simple now
[12:44] <laga_> i guess i need to upload my gpg key to a key server now
[12:44] <superm1> not really
[12:44] <superm1> it just manually injects it
[12:44] <superm1> into the iso
[12:44] <laga_> ah
[12:44] <laga_> well, for my own repo, though
[12:44] <superm1> oh ya
[12:44] <superm1> well if its public
[12:44] <laga_> not yet
[12:45] <laga_> superm1: i'd liketo have weekly package builds for feisty
[12:45] <laga_> is that something that could be done on mythbuntu.org?
[12:45] <superm1> laga_,
[12:45] <superm1> yes
[12:45] <superm1> that was what i was thinking
[12:45] <superm1> it'd be logical to just keep both there
[12:45] <laga_> yay
[12:45] <superm1> sorting out how to use PPAs though
[12:45] <superm1> thats the trouble
[12:46] <superm1> there is a cron that does the source package builds
[12:46] <superm1> and then i've just apt-get source'd them and built and uploaded back
[12:46] <superm1> but with ppa, that won't be necessary
[12:48] <superm1> as long as that warning and backup work, i dont think too much needs to be worried about with people using those packages
[12:50] <laga_> yup
[12:50] <laga_> ah, i need to export my gpg key to the mythbuntu-live dir
[01:06] <laga_> LC_ALL=C even
[01:07] <laga_> superm1: ever seen this: http://www.pastebin.ca/650458
[01:08] <superm1> laga_, is this on gutsy?
[01:08] <superm1> it looks like it doesn't like my time command that normally calculates the amount of time to run a few commands
[01:08] <superm1> because line 03 and 05 right there are when it runs the two chroot commands
[01:09] <laga_> that's on feisty
[01:14] <superm1> weird.
[01:14] <superm1> well those time commands work for me
[01:14] <superm1> maybe its a locale specific thing
[01:14] <superm1> with the way they are done
[01:14] <superm1> they are at the bottom of the script
[01:15] <laga_> i have replaced "time" with "
[01:15] <laga_>          err
[01:15] <laga_> "/usr/sbin/time" now
[01:15] <laga_> hope that works
[01:15] <superm1> which time was it using?
[01:15] <laga_> it's annoying that there are two ways of doing copy&paste in linux/kde/X11
[01:15] <laga_> superm1: i hae no clue. i was assuming it's a shell builtin, but there is none
[01:15] <laga_> let's see if i get the same error again
[01:16] <superm1> well the time command isn't 'necessary' i mean you can just run it
[01:16] <superm1> its just useful to know how long things took
[01:16] <laga_> true
[01:21] <tgm4883> superm1, as an administrator of mythbuntu, can you kill series?
[01:21] <superm1> Probably?
[01:21] <superm1> which series did you need nuked?
[01:21] <tgm4883> ok
[01:22] <tgm4883> well for future reference
[01:22] <tgm4883> im reading some stuff about launchpad
[01:22] <tgm4883> and i plan on testing something
[01:22] <laga_> superm1: ah. the script called nvram-wakeup: usr/sbin/time
[01:22] <tgm4883> so it will need to be nuked
[01:22] <laga_> which was wrong obviously
[01:22] <laga_> sorry for bother you
[01:22] <tgm4883> and probably the 8.04 release under trunk
[01:22] <tgm4883> but let me test some things first
[01:23] <superm1> laga_, ya i should have realized when you put /usr/sbin/time... i've got my time in /usr/bin/time
[01:24] <laga_> superm1: i was confused, too, but i chalked it off to "time" being a ber1337 benchmark tool for system administrators
[01:24] <laga_> *cough*
[01:24] <superm1> i wish i had cool keys like that on my keyboard.
[01:25] <superm1> but i finally figured out how to write a  in gnome on a us keyboard
[01:25] <laga_> heh
[01:26] <laga_> here are some umlauts for ya:
[01:26] <laga_> use them wisely ;)
[01:26] <laga_> you could use xmodmap to remap some keys
[01:26] <superm1> prehaps i should
[01:26] <superm1> who cares about F5-F7 anyway
[01:26] <superm1> gnome had an option to map "right-alt + e" to the , which is very convenient
[01:26] <laga_> i mapped my windows/menu keys to /{[}] \
[01:28] <laga_> quite convient for coding
[01:28] <laga_> i use them rarely, though :(
[01:28] <superm1> well i've been using languages that don't use a lot of those
[01:29] <superm1> so wouldn't do me much of good
[01:29] <laga_> ;)
[01:29] <superm1> sh and python lately
[01:29] <laga_> i used perl
[01:29] <laga_> still need to finish my epg grabber
[01:29] <laga_> and do lots of other stuff, heh
[01:29] <superm1> i know... me too.  next week i'm trying to plan ahead for what i will do what day
[01:29] <superm1> since its my last sprint
[01:29] <superm1> that i can get a lot of time to code
[01:30] <laga_> mythmusic still fails to build in pbuilder-feisty. pbuilder-gutsy works great, though. *sigh*
[01:30] <superm1> why is that?
[01:30] <laga_> cddecoder.cpp: In member function 'virtual Metadata* CdDecoder::getMetadata()':
[01:30] <laga_> cddecoder.cpp:403: error: 'M_QSTRING_UNICODE' was not declared in this scope
[01:31] <superm1> that's really really odd...
[01:31] <superm1> something like that failing on feisty
[01:31] <laga_> i'll ask the mythmusic guy
[01:32] <laga_> i have to run some RL errands.. like getting my lazy ass out of bed before 1pm ;)
[01:33] <laga_> gbee is about to go to bed. i don't want to give him nightmares so i'll ask him tomorrow
[01:34] <tgm4883> I get it now
[01:35] <superm1> laga_, so build is working then before you run off :)
[01:35] <laga_> superm1: i hope so
[01:35] <superm1> okay
[01:37] <laga_> /tmp/mythbuntu-iso-script: line 104: mksquashfs: command not found
[01:37] <laga_> almost ;)
[01:38] <laga_> huh
[01:38] <laga_> i do have mksquashfs
[01:39] <superm1> laga_, that is done in the chroot
[01:39] <superm1> check for any errors above
[01:39] <superm1> like a problem during debootstrap
[01:39] <superm1> or unable  to install somtehing eles
[01:42] <laga_> i'm in the chroot now.
[01:42] <laga_> E: Couldn't find package mksquashfs
[01:42] <laga_> interesting
[01:44] <laga_> um
[01:44] <laga_> i'm stupid, it's not called that :)
[01:45] <superm1> laga_, that commonly happens if ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal don't install properly
[01:45] <superm1> if you dont get something from one of the mirrors right
[01:46] <laga_> i used de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[01:46] <laga_> i didn't log $stuff, though
[01:46] <laga_> so i can't tell for sure
[01:47] <laga_> there's a log file in the chroot, righ
[01:47] <laga_> t
[01:49] <laga_> ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard are installed
[01:49] <laga_> there were some problems in the bootstrap.log
[01:49] <laga_> dpkg: base-passwd: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you request:
[01:49] <laga_>  base-passwd depends on libc6 (>= 2.6); however:
[01:49] <laga_>   Package libc6 is not installed.
[01:49] <laga_> and some ignored pre-depends
[01:49] <laga_> Setting up base-passwd (3.5.11build1) ...
[01:49] <laga_> didn't look to problematic, though
[01:54] <laga_> the pxe-booting spec looks interesting
[01:54] <laga_> i think i'd like to work on that
[01:54] <laga_> too bad that i already hae more frontends than necessary
[01:55] <tgm4883> i think we need to rename trunk
[01:55] <superm1> laga_, just run it again
[01:55] <superm1> if something like that went wrong during bootstrap
[01:55] <laga_> superm1: i'm doing that now
[01:56] <laga_> it's fetich moe packages
[01:56] <laga_> um
[01:56] <laga_> i need to get some sleep probably :)
[01:56] <laga_> 184M /home/remastersys/mythbuntu.iso
[01:56] <laga_> hum
[01:56] <laga_> that's not big
[01:57] <superm1> wrong size....
[01:57] <superm1> :(
[01:57] <superm1> it comes out to ~404mb
[01:57] <laga_> there were some errors
[01:57] <laga_> i'll just run it again
[01:57] <tgm4883> Looking around launchpad, I think we need to rename trunk to 7.10.  That way, after we release 7.10, we can create a series for 8.04 and move development to there (moving focus is easy).  In doing that, all the bugs for 7.10 stay with 7.10 and 8.04 would be fresh
[01:59] <superm1> Ok
[01:59] <tgm4883> ok, i'll go ahead and rename it, sec
[02:01] <tgm4883> now the question is, can you kill the 8.04 release under 7.10 (and kill the entire supported series),  I cannot
[02:01] <superm1> I'll try
[02:03] <laga_> superm1: it didn't install mythbuntu-live, likely because it's not signed.. for whatever reason
[02:04] <superm1> the package doesn't need to be
[02:04] <superm1> just the repository
[02:04] <superm1> and that's the apt key you inject
[02:04] <laga_> the repository is signed, it decided to "Ign" that when apt-get update
[02:04] <laga_> Ign http://screwless gutsy Release.gpg
[02:06] <superm1> laga_, and that apt key is being added at the start of the script?
[02:06] <laga_> that apt-key is added, but there is no Release.gpg in my repo. only falcon.gpg
[02:07] <superm1> okay well perhaps add some sort of --force-install for now?
[02:07] <laga_> i must be stupid. *sigh*
[02:07] <laga_> i wonder where falcon got that key ;)
[02:08] <superm1> tgm4883, i dont think it can be nuked
[02:08] <superm1> i think you need to nuke the whole 7.10 series
[02:08] <tgm4883> cant do that either
[02:09] <tgm4883> i think a launchpad admin can, i remember reading that
[02:09] <tgm4883> any idea how to become a distrobution instead of a project?
[02:09] <superm1> okay how about this then..... rename the 7.10 series to 8.05, the 8.04 to 7.10 and the 8.05 to 8.04?
[02:17] <laga_> superm1: does falcon ask you for your passphrase?
[02:18] <superm1> laga_, I dont recall offhand
[02:18] <laga_> k
[02:19] <tgm4883> the extra series and release should be removed tomarrow superm1
[02:19] <superm1> ah ok cool
[02:19] <superm1> poked in #launchpad?
[02:19] <tgm4883> yea
[02:20] <tgm4883> also asked about distrobutions
[02:22] <tgm4883> anyway, now when we release alpha4 we should also make a release for it on launchpad
[02:22] <tgm4883> and hopefully, people will file bug reports there
[02:23] <tgm4883> still dont know anything about distrobutions though, although was refered to kiko if we want to know more
[02:26] <laga_> superm1: re-created the repo. falcon asked me for my passphrase now. yay.
[02:26] <superm1> great :)
[02:27] <laga_> falcon 2.x comes across as being a bit fragile.
[02:27] <laga_> still better than any of the other hacks i used to use ;)
[02:30] <laga_> yay
[02:30] <laga_> all worky now
[02:33] <superm1> great
[02:34] <laga_> drbl.sf.net must have a great webmaster
[02:36] <tgm4883> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/mythbuntu-control-centre, would this also connect to NFS servers
[02:36] <tgm4883> and someone spelled center wrong ;)
[02:36] <superm1> That's the way its supposed to be spelled
[02:36] <tgm4883> i konw
[02:36] <superm1> according to those people on the other side of the large body of water
[02:36] <tgm4883> know
[02:37] <superm1> i've considered adding something like that to it
[02:37] <tgm4883> they can't help it if they're wrong
[02:37] <superm1> but probably not for hte first revision
[02:37] <superm1> i might work on it more tonight
[02:37] <superm1> depending on what else comes up after i leave work
[02:37] <tgm4883> i ask cause there is another blueprint that asks for it in the control center
[02:37] <superm1> woah, its 8pm, maybe i should leave soon
[02:38] <tgm4883> what do you think about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/mythgame-configuration
[02:38] <superm1> not for this release, but sounds like a good idea for a future one
[02:39] <tgm4883> ok, ive been marking things for next release as defered
[02:39] <tgm4883> and assigning others to 7.10
[02:39] <tgm4883> whats the status on firmware finder, still needing infrastructure
[02:40] <laga_> would be cool to have a simple DRBL frontend integrated into the control centre..
[02:40] <superm1> tgm4883, i've not talked to him for a while, i anticipate that he didn't make much progress
[02:40] <superm1> leave it as is for now
[02:40] <superm1> with no target
[02:40] <superm1> drbl?
[02:40] <tgm4883> ok
[02:40] <tgm4883> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/pxe-booting
[02:40] <tgm4883> see full specification
[02:40] <superm1> oh drbl.sf.net
[02:40] <superm1> of course
[02:41] <superm1> yea we'll see, need a 'basic' release first :)
[02:41] <laga_> heh
[02:41] <tgm4883> are the new video drivers in ?
[02:41] <tgm4883> ie nvidia-glx-new
[02:42] <superm1> oh that...
[02:42] <superm1> yea about that
[02:42] <superm1> "which" one gets installed needs some work
[02:43] <tgm4883> anticipated for 7.10?
[02:43] <superm1> yes
[02:43] <superm1> but i think i need some help on that one
[02:44] <superm1> well i've gotta get home, i'll be back on in an hour or so
[02:44] <tgm4883> to make it choose which driver?
[02:44] <tgm4883> ok
[02:44] <superm1> ya
[02:47] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, whats happening
[02:47] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, not alot good news though, I got what I needed to finish up my package for the apple thing
[02:48] <tgm4883> sweet
[02:48] <tgm4883> it works good then?
[02:49] <foxbuntu> gotta finish it
[02:49] <tgm4883> ah
[02:50] <foxbuntu> superm1 is gonna help me finish it up
[02:50] <tgm4883> he should be back on in about an hour, signed off 2 minutes before you signed on
[02:52] <laga_> superm1 is a star
[02:52] <tgm4883> a shining star
[03:55] <laga_> g'night
[06:10] <rockets> Is it possible to run mythtv as a server that streams video to another PC?
[06:12] <Tari_> if the other one can run a myth frontend, sure
[06:13] <tgm4883_laptop> there is also an unofficial plugin called mythstreamtv
[06:30] <defendguin> i'm having some difficulty trying to get a dvd to play using mythtv
[06:32] <defendguin> the screen just goes black for a second
[06:43] <defendguin> it really pisses me off that it doesn't work and i can't see where i went wrong it appears as though all the software is installed properly
[06:53] <troy_s> defendguin: You don't happening to be running a gl accelerated desktop do you?
[06:53] <defendguin> i am
[06:54] <troy_s> defendguin: Try turning it off and doing the dvd playback attempt.
[06:54] <troy_s> defendguin: GL accelerated desktops in Linux just aren't there yet and can be a source of pain.
[06:55] <defendguin> hmmm
[06:55] <defendguin> i dont think that is the source of the problem
[06:56] <troy_s> defendguin: Is it trying to run fullscreen?
[06:56] <defendguin> ERROR[ogle_nav] : faild to open/read the DVD
[06:56] <defendguin> callbacks.on_opendvd_activate(): DVDSetDVDRoot: Root not set
[06:56] <defendguin> i'm running ogle through a ssh session and i get this error
[06:57] <defendguin> this is what the output is when trying to use xine through a ssh session
[06:57] <defendguin> libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access
[06:57] <defendguin> libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed
[06:57] <defendguin> libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed
[06:57] <defendguin> libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO.
[06:59] <troy_s> defendguin: Ok... obvious questions first, you have the decss code installed yes?
[07:00] <defendguin> libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access
[07:00] <defendguin> ;-)
[07:02] <troy_s> defendguin: Yes, but you have decss yes?
[07:03] <defendguin> i wasn't aware they was a package named decss
[07:03] <defendguin> nope there isn't
[07:04] <troy_s> the package is libdvdcss2
[07:04] <troy_s> de-css -- the decrypter portion.
[07:04] <defendguin> libdvdcss2 is already the newest version.   according to apt
[07:05] <troy_s> odd... where did you pull it from?
[07:05] <defendguin> the mediabuntu repo probably
[07:06] <defendguin> yup mediabuntu
[07:06] <troy_s> defendguin: What error does mplayer spit?
[07:07] <defendguin> Playing dvd://1.
[07:07] <defendguin> Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd
[07:07] <defendguin> File not found: '1'
[07:07] <defendguin> Failed to open dvd://1.
[07:07] <defendguin> seems odd to me
[07:08] <troy_s> See that just _stinks_ of lack of the decrypter portion.
[07:08] <troy_s> Try the install shell script and see if that helps.
[07:08] <defendguin> i did and it didn't
[07:09] <troy_s> How completely odd.
[07:09] <defendguin> if i install using the script apt prompts to upgrade libdvdcss2 anyway
[07:11] <troy_s> defendguin: That might be a byproduct of the 'medibuntu' garbage.
[07:13] <defendguin> well i'm not sure what to do
[07:13] <troy_s> defendguin: To be honest, I have _never_ had dvd playback issues with the script.
[07:14] <troy_s> defendguin: And it most certainly sounds like your decrypter isn't working.
[07:14] <defendguin> which script are you using?
[07:22] <troy_s> defendguin: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[07:23] <defendguin> yup i have used it
[09:52] <superm1> Daviey, you here?
[09:52] <superm1> or awake yet
[02:05] <laga_> 408M /home/remastersys/mythbuntu.iso
[02:05] <laga_> yay
[03:00] <laga_> hum
[03:00] <laga_> i'm getting increasingly fed up with this image creation stuff
[03:00] <laga_> iso seems to be created sucessfully now
[03:00] <laga_> it won't log in automatically, though
[03:01] <laga_> there is no ubuntu user. *sigh*
[03:28] <laga_> in the original mythbuntu live disk, i can't find out to which package "/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf" belongs...
[04:06] <Rimers> hey guys
[04:09] <Rimers> superm1_: ive been looking at the lcdproc you send me, but i cant get it to load with the settings changed to imon, it tells me it cant find the driver module server/drivers/imon.so
[04:09] <Rimers> superm1_: i cant seem to locate the placement of the directories or the imon.so file
[04:17] <superm1_> re
[04:17] <superm1_> laga, it is a symlink
[04:17] <superm1_> in ubuntu-mythtv-frontend
[04:18] <superm1_> Rimers, is that imon.so in the package?
[04:18] <superm1_> or somewhere else
[04:18] <laga_> superm1_: i'm in livecd mode of alpha 3 now. it's not a symlink there
[04:18] <Rimers> hmm not sure
[04:18] <superm1_> laga_, you can do an update-alternatives gdm-config-derivative
[04:18] <superm1_> to move it around
[04:18] <superm1_> and reassign it
[04:20] <laga_> superm1_: where? in the chroot?
[04:20] <superm1_> laga_, ya
[04:20] <superm1_> or even while you've got the disk booted
[04:21] <superm1_> i really dont know why it wouldn't have generated the first time around
[04:21] <superm1_> it should have
[04:21] <laga_> i can't login when my iso is booted. no ubuntu user
[04:21] <superm1_> no ubuntu user?
[04:21] <laga_> no
[04:21] <superm1_> the script makes one explicitly
[04:21] <laga_> i found out why the iso was too small, though. i forgot to add some debs to my repo ;)
[04:22] <laga_> yes, it does
[04:22] <laga_> hum
[04:22] <laga_> i'll make another run
[04:22] <laga_> and log everything.
[04:23] <superm1_> easiest way to log it all is with tee
[04:23] <superm1_> sudo sh script | tee file
[04:23] <laga_> yes
[04:23] <laga_> and 2>&1 i suppose
[04:23] <superm1_> probably a good idea
[04:23] <superm1_> that is how pegasus creates the logs too
[04:25] <Rimers> superm1_: ive found the imon.so file in /usr/lib/lcdproc just not sure how to get LCDd to load it and not look for somthing else
[04:25] <superm1_> hm interesting, imbrandon.com is down again i wonder if he is finally making some progress with getting things back up an' runnin
[04:26] <superm1_> Rimers, well that patch is supposed to update the location of the Driverpath to be /usr/lib/lcdproc
[04:26] <superm1_> so thats a bit odd
[04:27] <Rimers> hmm okay
[04:27] <superm1_> maybe try editting the LCDd.conf file
[04:28] <superm1_> and adding a trailing /
[04:28] <superm1_> to the end of the driver path
[04:28] <Rimers> hmm problem is ive yet to find a driver path
[04:28] <superm1_> well that should be in /etc/LCDd.conf
[04:29] <superm1_> if anything
[04:29] <Rimers> ah found it, must have been blind on first look
[05:23] <foxbuntu_> superm1_, so you doing your usual all night packing frenzy tonight?
[05:23] <superm1_> ah crap i gotta do that soon don't i
[05:23] <foxbuntu_> lol
[05:23] <superm1_> i wanted to work on the control centre more
[05:23] <superm1_> i made a lot of progress on it last night
[05:23] <superm1_> :)
[05:24] <foxbuntu_> oh yeah?
[05:24] <superm1_> yea you got a sec?
[05:24] <superm1_> wanna see?
[05:24] <foxbuntu_> sure
[05:24] <superm1_> run this: "bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-control-centre"
[05:24] <superm1_> you should get revision 9
[05:25] <superm1_> you dont have to build it
[05:25] <superm1_> just ./mythbuntu-control-centre
[05:25] <foxbuntu_> k
[05:26] <foxbuntu_> do I need to have myth installed or anything?
[05:26] <superm1_> well i dont have all the helper functions tied to anything but modifying gui stuff
[05:26] <superm1_> so no
[05:26] <superm1_> you might need mythbuntu-lirc-generator though
[05:26] <superm1_> and python-mysql something
[05:26] <foxbuntu_> oh
[05:27] <foxbuntu_> well, I will have to look at it later then
[05:27] <superm1_> okay then
[05:27] <foxbuntu_> I have like 12 servers to build and one to migrate yet today
[05:27] <superm1_> i'll be back in a bit
[05:29] <DaveMorris> cd ..
[05:29] <DaveMorris> wrong focus :(
[05:30] <foxbuntu_> lol
[05:31] <DaveMorris> http://mythtvnews.com/2007/08/09/mythbuntuorg-is-down/ more news spreading of where to get the iso's from :)
[05:43] <tgm4883> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/remove-mythweather-from-mythweb
[05:44] <laga_> can anyone point superm1 to mythbuntu_create_iso.log.gz once he's back? that's the build log for mythbuntu
[05:44] <tgm4883> is that something we could do?  Or should it be assigned elsewhere (either official plugins, or not assigned because mythtv is not on launchpad)
[05:45] <laga_> tgm4883: he fails to provide a reason *shrug*
[05:45] <tgm4883> im guessing its because if you don't have mythweather installed it still shows up
[05:45] <tgm4883> in mythweb
[05:45] <laga_> i doubt that
[05:46] <laga_> maybe it's different in trunk, though
[05:46] <tgm4883> must be
[05:46] <tgm4883> mine still has it and i haven't had mythweather since it broke
[05:47] <laga_> hum
[05:47] <laga_> mythweather is fixed in ubuntu, btwe
[05:47] <tgm4883> it is, sweet
[05:47] <tgm4883> i haven't checked it in so long
[05:48] <laga_> at least for mythbuntu
[05:48] <tgm4883> what are the requirements for getting a package in the universe
[05:48] <tgm4883> or multiverse, whatever is easier
[05:48] <laga_> dunno about that
[05:48] <tgm4883> ok
[06:07] <tgm4883> superm1
[06:07] <superm1> tgm4883
[06:07] <tgm4883> laga_
[06:07] <laga_> huggy feelings
[06:07] <superm1> haha
[06:08] <laga_> ;)
[06:08] <tgm4883> i was pointing you to
[06:08] <laga_> http://laga.ath.cx/mythbuntu_create_iso.log.gz
[06:08] <tgm4883> yes
[06:08] <laga_> i forgot to add the host in my older message. duh.
[06:08] <tgm4883> but i noticed that i didn't know the first part
[06:08] <superm1> The requested URL /mythbuntu_create_iso.log.gz was not found on this server.
[06:09] <laga_> http://laga.ath.cx/pics/mythbuntu_create_iso.log.gz
[06:09] <laga_> <- stupid today
[06:09] <tgm4883> thats quite long
[06:09] <superm1> laga_, what's with all the LANGUAGE LC_ALL errors?
[06:10] <superm1> did the locale not apply right or somethin
[06:11] <laga_> superm1: i guess the image didn't contain my german locales
[06:13] <superm1> Unpacking mythtv-common (from .../mythtv-common_0.20.1+trunk14147-0.0ubuntu2_all.deb) ...
[06:13] <superm1> [: 91: false: unexpected operator
[06:13] <laga_> !
[06:14] <tgm4883> superm1, are there any more requirements (besides us running though linda and lintian) to get a package into Universe?
[06:14] <superm1> well a proper copyright
[06:15] <tgm4883> thats all, those three things basically
[06:15] <superm1> and properly placing things in the right areas and such
[06:15] <superm1> those are the three big ones at least
[06:15] <tgm4883> ok
[06:15] <superm1> there are small other things that people can nag on though
[06:16] <tgm4883> Basically follow the guide and read revu and we're good?
[06:17] <tgm4883> also, possible to remove mythweather from mythweb when not installed?
[06:23] <superm1> mythweather from mythweb?
[06:23] <superm1> it shouldn't be showing up there unless its installed i thought
[06:23] <superm1> but yea reading
[06:23] <superm1> !revu
[06:23] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[06:23] <superm1> is about all you would need to do
[06:23] <superm1> once you have it up on revu, i'll give it another more formal look
[06:25] <tgm4883> yea mythweather still shows up
[06:25] <tgm4883> let me just verify real quick
[06:25] <superm1> its probably because weather info is entered into mysql
[06:26] <superm1> i'd say its probably a moot point -
[06:26] <tgm4883> ok
[06:26] <superm1> i mean if you dont want to look at it, you dont have to :)
[06:26] <tgm4883> so just kill the blueprint
[06:26] <tgm4883> not my request
[06:26] <superm1> oh didn't realize there was a blueprint for it
[06:26] <tgm4883> new today
[06:26] <superm1> is it just a request to not have it there if you dont install it?
[06:27] <tgm4883> also, i think you get points for anything you do in launchpad, i just jumped another 200 from yesterday
[06:27] <tgm4883> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/remove-mythweather-from-mythweb
[06:28] <tgm4883> doesn't say why he wants it split, but i figured it out
[06:29] <superm1> is there contact info?
[06:29] <superm1> i dont think so
[06:29] <superm1> but if there s, perhaps contacting jhim for further info
[06:31] <tgm4883> nope no info
[06:32] <tgm4883> laga thinks its fixed anyway in trunk
[06:32] <tgm4883> so im gonna kill it
[06:33] <superm1> well leave a status not
[06:33] <superm1> note
[06:33] <superm1> explaining that
[06:33] <tgm4883> yep did that
[06:36] <superm1> foxbuntu,  Daviey (and other interested parties)  http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre
[06:36] <laga_> wrt the mythweather blueprint: i dunno if it's fixed in trunk or not
[06:36] <laga_> tbh, i don't see a problem because the OP does not mention any.
[06:39] <tgm4883> well i said it is believed to be fixed in trunk, so were covered ;)
[06:40] <tgm4883> ;)
[06:41] <laga_> ;)
[06:42] <tgm4883> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[06:43] <tgm4883> there are 4 blueprints that I dont have a status on.  They are marked new (not the deffered ones)
[06:43] <tgm4883> what are the status on these?
[06:43] <superm1> defer the web myth and the v4l-dvb
[06:43] <superm1> control centre - you can see the progress above
[06:44] <superm1> gather system info, someone needs to write a useful tool for i think
[06:46] <tgm4883> start fe from init?
[06:47] <tgm4883> is the above control centre fancy photoshop or semi functional app?
[06:47] <tgm4883> im thinking good progress
[06:47] <superm1> i wrote that whole gui last night
[06:47] <superm1> so its semi functional
[06:47] <superm1> it needs the backend functionality to do things now
[06:48] <tgm4883> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/start-fe-from-init
[06:48] <superm1> the start fe from init though, it'd be great to visit it this cycle, if someone here can
[06:48] <superm1> and explore it
[06:48] <superm1> tgm4883, if you want to after your done with unofficial plugins
[06:48] <superm1> because that can be ~25 mb memory savings
[06:48] <superm1> by doing so
[06:50] <tgm4883> i'll take a look, no promises though
[06:50] <superm1> well at least investigate the feasibility of it
[06:50] <superm1> because by doing so,  there are some odd ramifications regarding automatic login
[06:50] <superm1> and which user is logged in
[06:54] <tgm4883> ok, our blueprint pages looks alot different than it did a few days ago, if its confusing let me know, i may be able to answer some questions
[06:55] <tgm4883> but i am leaving today and wont be back until sunday
[06:55] <superm1> okay tgm4883
[06:55] <superm1> thanks a lot!


[00:11] <RAOF> plugwash: You can emulate binary uploads by uploading a source package containing the pre-built binary, of course.
[00:11] <plugwash> I guess that is an option
[00:12] <plugwash> though it seems like a case of working round a broken distro policy
[00:12] <plugwash> plus i'm only a dd, I don't currently have any status in ubuntu.
[00:14] <ajmitch_> I think exceptions are made sometimes for bootstrapping compilers & the like, which I assume is what you want? Those exceptions have been manually handled in the past from what I recall
[00:16] <plugwash> ajmitch_, right, doko made a change to binutils which broke the installability of fp-compiler (source package fpc), i've fixed the issue in the source package but freepascal is written in pascal and as such to build the new version of the source package requires an existing version of fp-compiler to be installed
[00:17] <plugwash> the fix is to build the latest fpc source package in an environment with an older version of binutils that doesn't suffer from the issue. I've done it for debian but I don't have the power to do it for ubuntu.
[00:18] <plugwash> hence why i'd like to know who to talk to about getting it handled
[00:19] <ajmitch_> RAOF: I'm guessing you don't have the access needed to sort that without your method of bundling a binary?  :)
[00:21] <RAOF> ajmitch_: Indeed not. Do we actually have such a method?
[00:23] <ajmitch_> I think it's been handled manually on buildds in the past, infinity would know
[00:26] <ajmitch_> it may just be simpler to bundle a prebuilt version
[00:29] <ScottK> yeah, infinity is probably a good start.
[00:30] <plugwash> ok i'll pop him an email then (he knows who I am already so he shouldn't think it's too strange)
[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[08:37] <plugwash> can anyone tell me if and where I can see information on why a package is not migrating from saucy-proposed to saucy?
[08:38] <Laney> plugwash: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/
[08:38] <Laney> see excuses, then if that says it's valid see output
[08:39] <Laney> (there's a big block on for alpha 2 currently)
[08:40] <Laney> (should be lifted later)
[08:49] <plugwash> ok, looks like it's just waiting for some old lazarus binaries to be cleaned up, I presume cleanup of old binaries (no longer built by the source package) is at least semi-automated right?
[08:52] <maxb> NBS (not built from any source) cleanup is reported on, but I think the actual removal requires archive admin action (which they do based on the reports from time to time)
[17:14] <lfaraone> We now mark bugs as fix committed once they hit saucy-proposed, right?
[17:15] <lfaraone> I note Launchpad didn't mark it as such automatically for me.
[17:18] <lfaraone> nvm, the answer is apparently "fix released"
[17:19] <Ampelbein> I think it gets set to fix released when the package is copied over to the "normal" saucy pocket.
[18:36] <ScottK> There is no automatic fix committed.