[15:29] <mup> Bug #1886524 opened: /var/lib/libvirt/maas-images is left behind after dpkg purge <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1886524>
[15:35] <mup> Bug #1886524 changed: /var/lib/libvirt/maas-images is left behind after dpkg purge <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1886524>
[15:38] <mup> Bug #1886524 opened: /var/lib/libvirt/maas-images is left behind after dpkg purge <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1886524>


[00:09] <sosriqwe> hi, is there anybody having problem with mysql after yesterdays update?
[00:09] <sosriqwe> is it only me having packege dependency problems?
[00:16] <cyphase> does anyone know if the latest builds of intrepid work on virtualbox?
[00:16] <cyphase> if not, how are you running intrepid virtually?
[00:28] <cj> my laptop (sony vaio vgn-cr520e) is not well supported by hardy
[00:41] <cj> has there been much work done in adding new APCI and intel video card driver support?
[00:42] <cyphase> oohhh, alpha 4 is downloading at 1.3MB/sec
[00:42] <cj> that's fast enough :)
[00:43] <cyphase> now it's only 700kb/sec
[00:44] <matt__> adept keeps crashing in ibex alpha4 anyone have a work around
[00:45] <matt__> using kubuntu
[00:45] <bluesmoke> matt__: I guess let apport file a bug and hope for the best
[00:45] <bluesmoke> adept is also in alpha right now
[00:46] <matt__> yeah
[00:47] <matt__> well apt works fine from the cli
[00:47] <matt__> so im using it for the time being
[00:48] <matt__> atleast konversation works :p
[00:54] <cyphase> is anyone here running intrepid virtually?
[00:55] <travist120> Is anyone having problems with Firefox 3 page load times?
[00:56] <RAOF> I presume that you are :)
[01:00] <cyphase> travist120: there are several pages online that tell you how to optimize firefox
[01:08] <travist120> oh I know
[01:08] <travist120> I have done that already
[01:08] <travist120> but it hangs up sometimes
[01:09] <travist120> and won't show the page until I refresh it
[02:49] <flaccid> hey guys where abouts is the repos information required to install/upgrade intrepid?
[02:52] <mneptok> flaccid: upgrade *what* to Intrepid?
[02:53] <flaccid> hardy
[02:54] <mneptok> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[02:55] <flaccid> really, wow!
[02:56] <virtuald> or update-manager -d but that isn't fun when x crashes
[02:57] <flaccid> sorry i forgot to mention this is kubuntu hardy
[02:58] <mneptok> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[02:58] <flaccid> okies thanks
[02:58]  * mneptok bows
[02:59]  * flaccid knights mneptok :p
[03:00] <mneptok> sudo do-steed-upgrade --percheron
[04:07] <Darkrift2> after going from 7.10 to 8.04 then to 8.10 my wifi stopped working somewhat (it worked on the first 2, but on 8.10 my network doesnt show in the list, but other farther wifi networks show up)
[04:07] <Darkrift2> any idea whats wrong?
[04:08] <virtuald> it didn't break x and gnome and proprietary graphics drivers? you're lucky
[04:18] <ryanakca> bug 250189
[04:18] <ryanakca> thanks ubottu
[04:22] <CarlFK> shouldn't interpid have new wallpaper by now?
[04:40] <mneptok> yeah, forget those pesky software bugs! we want new wallpaper!
[05:10] <_Zeus_> i have noticed an odd font issue in 8.10
[05:13] <Darkrift2> Anyone know why my kde4.1/kubuntu 8.10 built in wifi manager shows my ap, but doesnt connect to it? it puts it in the context menu like its connected but it says "state: disconnected" and I canot get it to connnect
[05:16] <RAOF> Darkrift2: I'd suggest it would be a bug of some kind :).
[05:17] <RAOF> Darkrift2: In particular, it seems that knetworkmanager is doing that for a number of people.
[05:17] <Darkrift2> ahhhh
[05:17] <RAOF> If there isn't a launchpad bug filed, please do so.
[05:17] <Darkrift2> ok
[05:17] <Darkrift2> so another wifi manager?
[05:17] <Darkrift2> i couldnt figure out how to connect in command line
[05:17] <Darkrift2> im used to x taking care of my wifi connect for me
[05:17] <RAOF> Possibly.  But definitely filing of the knetworkmanager bug.
[05:17] <Darkrift2> ill do that
[05:17] <RAOF> network-manager-gnome works just fine :)
[05:18] <Darkrift2> once i get wifi lol
[05:18] <Darkrift2> installing that now.. ill try it out
[05:18] <Darkrift2> thx
[05:19] <Darkrift2> ok, when i rebooted my app launcher button was gone. i added a new one but its on the right side and the menu is buggy over there, how do i move it to the left again?
[05:21] <_Zeus_> i found a serious but in 8.10; whenever you try to add something to Sessions, it says "the startup field cannot be empty
[05:21] <_Zeus_> *bug
[05:21] <_Zeus_> can anyone see if they can reproduce?
[05:22] <_Zeus_> ?
[05:51] <DarkriftX> omfg this is enough to piss you off
[05:51] <DarkriftX> adept doesnt work, cant install a new wifi manager, wifi doesnt work
[05:52] <DarkriftX> i was better off with 7.10
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> um...  you're using alpha software.  expect breakage
[05:52] <DarkriftX> i didnt knwo it was alpha
[05:52] <DarkriftX> someone told me i needed to be on 8.10
[05:52] <DarkriftX> so i upgraded
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> no one would tell you you *need* to be on 8.10
[05:53] <Daisuke_Ido> no one sane, anyway
[05:53] <Daisuke_Ido> 8.04 perhaps
[05:53] <DarkriftX> i was there
[05:53] <DarkriftX> in the middle of the upgrade
[05:57] <Darkrift2> ok, my wifi can SEE my ap, but wont connect
[05:57] <Darkrift2> what are my options?
[05:57] <Darkrift2> its open, no security on it
[05:58] <Darkrift2> adept wotn open, crashes or just closes as soon as it pops up
[05:59] <virtuald> use iwconfig and ifconfig to set up the interface and apt-get to install stuff
[06:00] <Darkrift2> once i tell iwconfig what my essid and channel are, what do i do after that to make it connect?
[06:01] <Darkrift2> iwconfig lists the right essid but it never connects
[06:01] <Darkrift2> dhclient never gets a lease
[06:04] <virtuald> no idea, i use wires
[06:05] <Darkrift2> great... so I guess its format and reinstall
[06:06] <virtuald> yeah probably
[06:06] <RAOF> Darkrift2: The person who suggested you upgrade to Intrepid (it's not 8.10 yet!) should probably get a bit of a poke to not suggest people upgrade to development versions.
[06:07] <Darkrift2> yeah
[06:07] <Darkrift2> wish i had logs from last week
[06:07] <Darkrift2> id give em a screenful
[06:07] <Darkrift2> well, off to format.... wish me luck
[06:08] <RAOF> As a bit of irony... if you were trying to reinstall intrepid you wouldn't need to format; the installer can now install without formatting /
[06:08] <Darkrift2> nope, going to 7.10 then to 8.04
[06:08] <Darkrift2> because im out of media and i have a 7.10 disc here
[06:08] <RAOF> Fair enough.
[06:09] <Darkrift2> and kde4 looked soo nice too
[06:09] <Darkrift2> oh well
[06:37] <vega--> i'm having a problem with intrepids dhcp client, it doesn't seem to send the hostname to the server which results in the server not adding my hostname to DNS
[06:37] <vega--> which again results in my ip not resolving to a name -> sending mail is not possible as the mailserver requires a resolvable ip address
[06:38] <vega--> any ideas?
[06:39] <vega--> the dhcpclient for hardy works ok in the same environment
[06:53]  * cyphase wants more awn integration
[07:38] <PolALT> hello everyone, I got a problem with waking the computer up: whenever I wake my computer up, my (PS/2) keyboard isn't working properly any more until I restart gnome. If I attach a USB-keyboard (after I have woken the computer up with s2disk) this USB-keyboard works
[09:19] <Teisei> When I try to add a new startup application through Systen -> Preferences -> Sessions, it always says "The startup command cannot be empty" no matter what I write there in the command box
[09:20] <Teisei> Can somebody verify this ?
[09:20] <Teisei> Or is it just me ...
[10:17] <kayess_> Anybody else suddenly have keyboard problems? The arrow keys and page up/down, home end keys no longer work on my Thinkpad R61 -- If I plug in a USB keyboard everything is fine
[10:23] <PolNEU> yeah, I had these problems too some time ago - but strangely they vanished after I deleted the xorg.conf - now I got the problem that as soon as I wake the computer up with s2disk, the PS/2 keyboard doesn't work any longer - A USB keyboard, however, does work
[10:33] <rrrmanion> !hi
[10:41] <pepie34> kool !hi
[10:42] <pepie34> I can't have my keayboard to work correctly
[10:42] <pepie34> it should be macintosh fr but i'm stick with PC fr
[11:14] <sosriqwe> mysql-common dependency is broken for amd64. does anybody know when it is going to be fixed?
[11:15] <sosriqwe> 5.0.67-0ubuntu2 is missing. mysql-server and mysql-client are not installable...
[11:17] <sosriqwe> anybody?
[11:33] <jscinoz> hi
[11:33] <jscinoz> is Intrepid going to have openal-soft as the default openal implementation? since Debian is doing that now
[12:48] <pepie34> can't get the macintosh layout with Xorg
[12:48] <pepie34> I have set it both on xorg.conf and gnome configuration
[13:11] <Orfeous> someone tried intrepid?
[13:13] <Unksi> runs here
[13:14] <Orfeous> Unksi: working ok?
[13:14] <Orfeous> upgrading from hardy..
[13:14] <Unksi> works well, except that vuze doesnt work and intel wireless is broken
[13:15] <Orfeous> ok.
[13:15] <Orfeous> doesnt affect me
[13:15] <Hobbsee> my intel wifi works.
[13:16] <Orfeous> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[13:16] <Unksi> oh, which card do you have?
[13:16] <Orfeous> or aptitude?
[13:16] <Hobbsee> ipw3945 is the driver being used.
[13:16] <Unksi> i would think it goes with update-manager or so
[13:16] <Orfeous> didnt work for me..
[13:16] <ma10> Unksi: Bug 259533. If that's the problem, there's a fix available.
[13:16] <Orfeous> failed to count the upgrade... blabla..
[13:17] <Unksi> hmm, seems im using iwl
[13:17] <Unksi> ma10: no, it starts up fine, but it doesnt transfer anything... it may connect to peers, but doesnt download or upload anything
[13:17] <Orfeous> any new big differences for intrepid?
[13:17] <ma10> Unksi: are you using <IP_ADDRESS>-3ubuntu1?
[13:18] <Unksi> yes
[13:19] <ma10> Unksi: oh it starts.. probably the xulrunner uploader forgot tho close the bug
[13:19] <Unksi> might be
[13:20] <Orfeous> using kde? gnome?..?
[13:20] <ma10> Unksi: about the transfert, are you sure it's not a problem of that specific torrent? if there's a bug we have to find out what it is
[13:21] <Unksi> ma10: the same torrent works fine with ktorrent
[13:21] <Unksi> kde here Orfeous
[13:22] <ma10> Unksi: no error message is shown? you could try deleting your ~/.azureus directory and see if it fixes
[13:22] <pepie34> How should i tell evedv or hal that my keayboard has macintosh layout ?
[13:23] <pepie34> hal seems to overide xorg.conf
[13:42] <Unksi> ma10: yea no errors, will try that
[13:46] <Unksi> ma10: no changes by removing that directory, its quite weird as there are no errors or anything
[13:47] <Unksi> it worked when i used the deb from getdeb.net for hardy, broke when the intrepid update came
[13:57] <ma10> Unksi: i retested it now and it's working here.
[13:58] <ma10> to all: does anybody have a working azureus on intrepid?
[13:58] <Unksi> ok
[13:59] <ma10> it's probably better if try to gather as much information as possbile and file a bug.
[13:59] <Unksi> yep
[14:00] <Unksi> the problem with it is though, that i cant actually find any other information... there are no errors or anything
[14:11] <ma10> Unksi: you can enable logging in the options, the in the azureus console you should see what's going on. there are also log files in ~/.azureus/logs. if you file the bug with apport we get useful informations like dependencies
[14:12] <ma10> *then
[14:14] <Unksi> ok, will try and see if theres anything useful there
[14:14] <Trewas> Unksi: what does help/about in azureus say about the used java version? if it something else than sun, then that's a probable reason
[14:14] <Unksi> Java 1.5.0 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[14:15] <Trewas> there's your problem :)
[14:16] <Unksi> how can i change that?
[14:16] <Unksi> i see no option at settings
[14:16] <Trewas> Unksi: install sun-java6-jre package and then run "update-alternatives --config java" to actually change it
[14:17] <Unksi> ok
[14:18] <Unksi> Trewas: it works now, thank you
[14:19] <ma10> oh nice.. i was taking java6 for granted
[14:20] <Trewas> azureus (vuze) package should really somehow define that it should be used with sun's jre...
[14:23] <andrewkk> was the way keyboard layouts work completely changed in intrepid? I can't find the usual xkb/symbols files.
[14:23] <techII> anything on the kde systray missing?
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> missing?
[14:24] <techII> well, i think it is there, but i can't see it, or anything on it
[14:24] <techII> right-clicking shows the right popup menu
[14:24] <ma10> Trewas: it's supposed to work with gcj too, there's also an azureus-gcj package. we need to do more testing
[14:27] <techII> any kubuntu specific channel for ibex?
[14:28] <Pici> Nope
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> techII: That issue should have been fixed by an update
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> what version is you libqt4-core at?
[14:34] <techII> 4.4.1-ubuntu2
[14:35] <techII> the issue just appeared today (yesterday i removed the kde4 directory though)
[14:35] <techII> (since i think the configuration *is* all in the ~/.kde directory now)
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> removing it and readding it should make it work
[14:36] <techII> the ~/.kde directory?
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> the systray widget
[14:39] <Daniell> thank you for bringing voxforge acoustic model to intrepid!
[14:40] <techII> JontheEchidna, its back after taking the systrays out of the config, and killing/restarting plasma
[14:40] <bazhang> Daniell, no advertising in #ubuntu
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> techII: all you needed to do was right click on it, select remove systray, and then re-add one from the add-widgets list
[14:41] <Daniell> i am sorry, was just a hint
[14:41] <techII> i think i got rid of it, but couldn't find it, thus had to make sure...
[14:42] <techII> (and the one i added to the desktop didn't have icons)
[14:43] <ma10> Unksi: i was able to reproduce the bug with gcj. thank you for reporting this issue!
[15:00] <Unksi> ma10: great, yw :) i thought it was just me or something :D
[15:01] <CarlFK> intrepid on my laptop - X screwed - does the "low res" 800x600 thing, both live cd, stock install and if I add the nvidia drivers
[15:01] <CarlFK> worked great with hardy beta (don't have cds)
[15:02] <CarlFK> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) Atom 4, CARD32 4, unsigned long 4
[15:03] <techII> I've had issues with X right after upgrading. The FGLRX (ati) drivers don't support Ibex's Xorg version.
[15:06] <Unksi> anyone here with working iwl3945?
[15:17] <Pici> Unksi: on .27?
[15:20] <jmichelse1> hi all, I just did an upgrade to ibex, was running xubuntu 8.04, now on bootup and shutdown instead of showing the startup it shows white with some black, like the video card is missing drivers or somethin, when it finishes boot its ok
[16:12] <CarlFK> just installed, "ubuntu is running in low graphics mode" - /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows (++) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe"
[16:13] <CarlFK> how do I get it to use etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[16:31] <techII> CarlFK, might have something to do with the final implementation of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/bullet-proof-x
[16:34] <CarlFK> techII: kinda - but I am still don't see how to go back to the nomal .conf
[16:40] <techII> my best guess would be by getting the normal one to work :-/
[16:41] <CarlFK> I am not sure it is trying
[16:41] <CarlFK> or... I don't see any log file
[17:01] <Unksi> Pici: no on .26-5
[17:10] <jzsmith> Is this channel for discussion of Ubuntu development in general as well as 8.10 development or only 8.10 development?
[17:12] <CarlFK> whats the difference?
[17:12] <cj> jzsmith: doesn't really matter, I don't think :)
[17:12] <jzsmith> CarlFK, the scope of Ubuntu development I guess.
[17:13] <cj> jzsmith: ubuntu+1 is currently 8.10 but it has been 8.4 in the past
[17:13] <cj> jzsmith: if you bother folks by asking "off topic" questions, you'll be asked to take 'em elsewhere.  I don't expect folks will be annoyed by ubuntu dev questions
[17:16] <techII> hmm, any way to push ati to upgrade their drivers, again?
[17:16] <cj> techII: need their phone number?
[17:17] <techII> could probably find it
[17:17] <cj> +1<PHONE_NUMBER>
[17:17] <cj> try to create a relationship with ubuntu
[17:20] <jzsmith> #kubuntu is a little chaotic. >.>
[17:21] <jzsmith> Is it possible that Ubuntu will use KDE by default in the future or is that not really a problem?
[17:22] <cj> jzsmith: kubuntu will probably use it by default :)
[17:22] <jzsmith> cj, I was kind of wondering that. :)
[17:22] <cj> jzsmith: I haven't heard of any plans for a GNUbuntu or the like...
[17:23] <jzsmith> cj, what would a GNUbuntu entail?
[17:23] <jzsmith> Oh. I see.
[17:25] <ssam> gnewsense is close to ubuntu, and only has stuff free enough to keep the GNU people happy, if thats what you are after
[17:25] <cj> ssam: no, I just meant "Ubuntu with GNOME as default desktop"
[17:26] <ssam> ok
[17:26] <jzsmith> Actually, I have a question about that. What's the difference between gNewSense and GoUbuntu? They basically have the same goals right?
[17:26] <jzsmith> Wait...
[17:27] <jzsmith> I don't mean to seem to get off topic.
[17:27] <techII> i think gobuntu is 'official'
[17:28] <jzsmith> When I read about gNewSense I almost thought Gobuntu was renamed to gNewSense.
[17:28] <pwnguin> cj: handing out phone numbers is probably anti "Create relationship"
[17:29] <techII> though, if they get support requests for people using an 'emerging' operating system
[17:29] <pwnguin> from what I can tell, gobuntu was an attempt to get the gnewsense people on board within Ubuntu
[17:29] <pwnguin> which failed
[17:29] <pwnguin> mostly because of launchpad's status
[17:30] <techII> ah
[17:31] <jzsmith> pwnguin, what's wrong with Launchpad's status?
[17:31] <pwnguin> the source is not available
[17:32] <pwnguin> and is therefore against what gnewsense stands for it seems
[17:32] <jzsmith> pwnguin, oh. So Launchpad isn't under GPL? Heh.
[17:34] <pwnguin> i have a feeling it will never be "gpl"
[17:34] <pwnguin> more likely, affero
[17:36] <jzsmith> Canonical.com is so professional
[17:43] <_Zeus_> 8.10 screwed up my fonts in PuTTY
[17:52] <cj> pwnguin: nah, it's published online
[17:53] <_Zeus_2> as i was saying, ibex screwed up my fonts in PuTTY
[18:07] <hardy> Hi, I am using the latest intrepid and my keboard behaves strangely, the arrow keys don't work and ctrl works like a down arrow, is it only me?
[18:07] <ShackJack> _Zeus_2: Curious - why would you use Putty in Linux?
[18:08] <_Zeus_> ShackJack: to read my email
[18:08] <_Zeus_> ShackJack: I have some windows laptops and some linux and i like to stay comsistent
[18:08] <pwnguin> cj: what's published online?
[18:08] <ShackJack> _Zeus_ - I suppose... I just ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in the terminal :)
[18:09] <_Zeus_> yeah well i use ssh all the time so i like customization
[18:09] <_Zeus_> i use to get to elm on my server
[18:10] <techII> hardy: it probably thinks you are using a different layout keyboard than you actually have
[18:11] <techII> i think the location of the configuration files changed for ibex, so i'm not entirely sure where to set it :-/
[18:12] <_Zeus_> System > Preferences > Keyboard?
[18:12] <_Zeus_> :-P
[18:12] <hardy> techII, _Zeus_: this is kde actually and the keyboard is set to US
[18:13] <_Zeus_> well excuse me! :-P
[18:13] <_Zeus_> try hitting reset to defualt?
[18:13] <_Zeus_> actually, you may want to reconfigure xorg
[18:13] <hardy> techII: you are right it's fixed now. thanks a lot
[18:13] <_Zeus_> that also handles the keyboard
[18:14] <_Zeus_> hardy: why haven't you changed  your name to "intrepid" yet? :-D
[18:14] <techII> consolekit or something like that might also
[18:17] <hardy> _Zeus_: because some one working for mark learned it from me and register the name before the announcement of intrepid ;)
[18:17] <_Zeus_> hahaha
[18:18] <techII> _Zeus_: for fonts, i'd go from looking at putty itself, to the toolkit it uses (qt, gtk); and do the font's exist?
[18:18] <techII> or is it a rendering issue?
[18:19] <_Zeus_> well, the fonts work
[18:19] <_Zeus_> but sometimes when i'm typing, they get flooded with the cursor color
[18:19]  * techII doesn't have any more ideas...
[18:20] <_Zeus_> hang on for ss
[18:35] <CarlFK> I need help getting X working - I have a feeling the 'failsafe' thing isn't working as well as it should
[18:36] <CarlFK> and that continues to trouble me more than x problems, so I would like to try and fix the "low graphics... configure" process
[18:38] <techII> CarlFK, did you get it working with generic drivers (vesa, nv)?
[18:38] <CarlFK> techII: nope.  live cd throws the same "not working, low graphics.." dialog
[18:38] <techII> ah
[18:39] <CarlFK> hardy beta from sometime in march worked great, right out of the box
[18:39] <cj> pwnguin: that phone number
[18:40] <|dupondje|> Mysql is still broken in Intrepid :(
[18:40] <cj> dupondje: oh?  how so?  got a bug report?
[18:41] <cj> dupondje: the client or server?
[18:44] <jasonlife> I've installed Intrepid, and noticed that pulseaudio starts automatically when I log in.    Is there any common place to set "session auto start" program?
[18:44] <jasonlife>  There is no default.session anymore.
[18:45] <homecable> hi
[18:45] <jasonlife> How can I add a program as an session startup?
[18:48] <techII> jasonlife, gnome-session-properties on ubuntu/gnome
[18:53] <jasonlife> techII:  Is there a config file for it? so that I can tweak the config file directly during the installation of my program..
[18:55] <techII> jasonlife, ~/.config/autostart/
[18:55] <techII> jasonlife, it will also apply to kde and any other desktop that follows whatever freedesktop.org spec defines it
[18:56] <jasonlife> techII,  Is there a generic file under /etc/ ?  I want apply this to every user..
[19:00] <tormod> jasonlife: you have the /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ directory also
[19:04] <CarlFK> techII: I boot, get "U is running in low..", I hit "configure", set nv (or nvidia), 1280x800, hit OK, X boots into  800x600.  1280 shows up in xorg.conf. but Xorg.0.log and .old both use xorg.conf.failsafe, so I have no idea what happens once I hit OK
[19:04] <hardy> Hi, the speakers in my laptop works but the headphone is not. can you please help me? http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=4a5513804cd186313f1aa79b9368796d2d024532
[19:06] <tormod> CarlFK: stop gdm and use startx
[19:06] <techII> CarlFK, I can't think of anything, though when i upgraded to ibex, I had issues with X
[19:06] <CarlFK> and I keep getting additional xorg.conf files - now I have xorg.conf xorg.conf.1 xorg.conf.2 xorg.conf.failsafe xorg.conf.failsafe.bak
[19:07] <techII> then wiped the whole configuration, and generated a new one (using an ati card with the 'ati' driver)
[19:07] <tormod> CarlFK: I thought that failsafe thing was ditched from Intrepid
[19:08] <CarlFK> tormod: does it matter what user, and should I do startx on the local console, or is it ok in an ssh shell?
[19:09] <tormod> CarlFK: any user can run startx, but I think you need to be on one of the VT consoles
[19:09] <CarlFK> tormod: $startx - desktop loaded, 800x600
[19:10] <tormod> CarlFK: because your xorg.conf is a failsafe one?
[19:10] <CarlFK> and now a dialog: "use switcher" has quit unexpectedly.
[19:11] <tormod> CarlFK: did you try dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xorg-server ?
[19:14] <CarlFK> tormod: not yet - was hoping to debug the "u is running in low res, configure" thing
[19:14] <CarlFK> but if that is being replaced, Ill settle for just getting my box working
[19:15] <CarlFK> (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1280x800@60"; removing.
[19:15] <CarlFK> wtheck...
[19:15] <tormod> CarlFK: yes that "failsafe" thing made more trouble than it solved
[19:15] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809 -- lovely feature there!
[19:22] <Orfeous> hi!
[19:22] <Orfeous> upgraded to intrepid today and now KDE is changed to KDE4??
[19:22] <techII> Orfeous, yep
[19:22] <Orfeous> shit
[19:22] <Orfeous> i dont want that
[19:22] <Orfeous> doesnt like it at all
[19:23] <Orfeous> is it possible to run the previous
[19:23] <techII> Orfeous, be careful, intrepid kde4 uses the ~/.kde directory, which hardy's kde3 uses
[19:24] <Orfeous> can i go back for the previous kde?
[19:25] <hardy> techII: but that's very confusing, my kmail on kde4 somehow uses .kde and .kde4 both in hardy now I am now sure what will it use
[19:25] <klerfayt> is it normal that "adept" upgrade is "kept back" and adept manager crashes, while adept notifier sits in system tray and does not react to mouse clicks?
[19:25] <CarlFK> tormod:  dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xorg-server  "Package `xorg-server' is not installed and no info is available."
[19:25]  * techII isn't that big of a kde person
[19:25]  * techII switched to kde when he upgraded to ibex
[19:26] <Orfeous> sending in 10 crash bug reports now :D
[19:27] <tormod> CarlFK: sorry, xserver-xorg
[19:27] <klerfayt> is this the right channel to ask questions about kubuntu intrepid bugs?
[19:27] <techII> klerfayt, yes
[19:27] <Orfeous> is it possible to uninstall kde4 and run kde3 again?
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> did you uninstall kde3?
[19:28] <techII> Orfeous, possibly, if your configuration isn't trashed :-/ (or you can find a way to convert it back, if kde3 can't read it)
[19:28] <Orfeous> JontheEchidna: not as i know..
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> oh, wait
[19:29]  * JontheEchidna thought he was in #kubuntu-kde4 for a second
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> nope, no way to downgrade to kde3 in Intrepid
[19:29] <techII> other than compile it yourself, i guess...
[19:29] <klerfayt> alt+f2 "kdesudo kate" does nothing, why?
[19:29] <Orfeous> damn!
[19:29] <Orfeous> maybe install with hardy packages
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> eek
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> that won't work
[19:30] <techII> klerfayt, here it brings up the password dialog, but I don't have kate installed
[19:30] <Orfeous> ok.. then i will be using gnome them :D
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> klerfayt: works here too
[19:30] <techII> (as far as I know, just came from gnome)
[19:30] <klerfayt> JontheEchidna: you got clean install from alpha4 disk?
[19:30] <CarlFK> tormod: xorg.conf: http://dpaste.com/74267/  log: Fatal server error: no screens found
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> no
[19:30] <klerfayt> JontheEchidna: that must be why mine does nothing
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> latest intrepid, full updates
[19:31] <Orfeous> maybe i must like things as they are.. :P
[19:32] <tormod> CarlFK: please pastebin the log
[19:33] <CarlFK> tormod: http://dpaste.com/74268/  log
[19:33] <tormod> CarlFK: I thought you would need a Section "ServerLayout"
[19:33] <CarlFK> tormod: that .conf if what dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg genned
[19:34] <tormod> CarlFK: http://dpaste.com/74270/
[19:35] <tormod> CarlFK: "(EE) No devices detected.
[19:35] <tormod> "
[19:35] <tormod> CarlFK: (WW) NV: Ignoring unsupported device 0x10de0531 (GeForce 7150M) at 00@00:12:0
[19:35] <dupondje> cj: mysql-common (>= 5.0.67-0ubuntu2) but 5.0.67-0ubuntu1
[19:36] <dupondje> AMD64
[19:36] <cj> dupondje: so the client libs, I think... let me check that
[19:37] <dupondje> cj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/261956
[19:37] <cj> no, that's really sparse... my.cnf, some docs...
[19:37] <CarlFK> tormod: is there anything useful to making ubuntu better, or is this just getting my box working?
[19:38] <CarlFK> I have a 7.10 cd - thinking it it works, I can just grab its xorg.conf
[19:38] <tormod> CarlFK: did it work with the nv driver before?
[19:39] <CarlFK> tormod: yes - hardy beta
[19:43] <CarlFK> tormod:     Driver      "nvidia" works (came up in 1280x800).  "nv" does not: "unsupported device"
[19:44] <tormod> CarlFK: it's strange that the server picks nv then. please file a bug.
[19:45] <CarlFK> tormod: bug against package xserver-xorg ?
[19:46] <tormod> CarlFK: against xorg to start with.
[19:47] <tormod> CarlFK: or xorg-server (sic)
[19:48] <techII> xserver-xorg
[19:49] <tormod> techII: you sure?
[19:49] <tormod> CarlFK: does the Xserver pick nv even if nvidia drivers are installed?
[19:50] <CarlFK> tormod: yes
[19:50] <CarlFK> tormod: the only thing I did to make it work was add Driver      "nvidia"
[19:50] <techII> xserver-xorg-video-nv, nvidia-glx-*
[19:50] <techII> ?
[19:51] <CarlFK> ?
[19:51] <techII> i have no idea what i was doing
[19:52] <techII> doing other things than following the conversation...
[19:53] <tormod> CarlFK: the bug is that nv is chosen even if it doesn't support the card
[19:58] <tormod> CarlFK: so it can also be a bug in nv, that it says "I can" but it can't
[20:20] <CarlFK> tormod:  bug 261977
[20:20] <CarlFK> anything else I should add?
[20:25] <CarlFK> now to get my Atheros AR2425 wifi working.
[20:26] <CarlFK> which has a similar history - worked with hardy beta, but not with anything on or after 8.04
[20:26] <tormod> CarlFK: no, that's an exemplary bug report :)
[20:27] <CarlFK> thanks
[20:27] <CarlFK> <- has been on the receiving end of bad bug reports
[20:39] <ben> Evening, I have upgraded to Intrepid, everything seems good but just one small annoyance. GDM doesn't seem to auto-login anymore. Is this perhaps a known issue?
[20:39] <dupondje> cj: any id when mysql will be fixxed ? :s
[20:41] <techII> CarlFK, is it one of the 'new' chipsets that the main madwifi codebase didn't support?
[20:41] <danbhfive> is there a cd for intrepid?
[20:41] <dupondje> think so
[20:42] <CarlFK> techII: um... I think it is supported.  I somehow had it working :)
[20:42] <dupondje> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-4/
[20:43] <CarlFK> techII: and it was definately working with hardy beta - I posted a wad of stuff bug 228548
[20:43] <techII> CarlFK, mine needed ndiswrapper, until i found a branch of madwifi that supported it
[20:44] <danbhfive> hmmm, thanks dupondje     I just started d/l'ing the one in daily.  I suspect it will work to, right?  or should I go for the alpha?
[20:44] <dupondje> that should be fine also
[20:44] <CarlFK> techII: I thought I simply installed the intrepid kernel, but just did a lean intrepid install, ath5k module loaded, but sudo iwlist wlan0 scan "No scan results"
[20:44] <techII> i have the 'ath5k', 'mac80211', and 'cfg80211' modules blacklisted
[20:45] <jmichelse1> is there a place for changelogs in the new release?
[20:45] <techII> i think they switched from the atheros provided parts to reverse engineered parts
[20:45] <jmichelse1> to get a changelog I mean? or is that not available till the release?
[20:45] <techII> (hardy vs ibex)
[20:46] <techII> jmichelse1, through apt?
[20:46] <ben> so does anyone happen to have gdm configured with auto-login?
[20:46] <jmichelse1> any way
[20:46] <jmichelse1> techII: any way, on the site or apt, just a way to get one?
[20:46] <CarlFK> ben: I do.  works fine
[20:47] <ben> how strange
[20:47] <ben> it's broken for me :/
[20:47] <techII> jmichelse1, i've been pressing 'C' in aptitude, no idea about packages.ubuntu.com
[20:48] <techII> CarlFK, as for madwifi, im on amd64, and have been compiling from said branch
[20:48] <CarlFK> ben: carl@dv67:~$ grep Auto /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom; AutomaticLogin=carl ;AutomaticLoginEnable=true
[20:49] <ben> same here
[20:49] <ben> it was fine in hardy
[20:49] <ben> worked a few times in intrepid
[20:49] <ben> then gave up the ghost
[20:49] <CarlFK> techII: did you roll it into whatever .deb ubuntu uses, or just 'make install' it?
[20:50] <techII> using 'make install'
[20:50] <DanaG> Oh yeah, gksu gdmsetup
[20:50] <DanaG> now autologin and passwordless login are separated.
[20:50] <dupondje> can I rename the version of a package ?
[20:50] <dupondje> mysql-common_5.0.67-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[20:50] <dupondje> needs to be mysql-common_5.0.67-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[20:50] <DanaG> ... and timed is also separated.
[20:56] <ben> hmm
[20:56] <ben> timed works
[20:56] <ben> that do i guess
[21:07] <linux1> hiya ppl has anyone managed to get the nvidia drivers to work with 2.6.27 yet all i get is the installer moaning about zen kernel
[21:09] <techII> linux1, see if CarlFK found a solution...
[21:10] <CarlFK> just installed the new kernel - will be rebooting in a sec
[21:10] <dupondje> how can I change the version of a .deb ? :s
[21:12] <CarlFK> dupondje: you probably want https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb
[21:12] <CarlFK> dupondje: debchange -i is what I use
[21:13] <CarlFK> dupondje: er.. i liked.  i really use debchange --nmu $0 :)
[21:13] <CarlFK> where $0 is the name of the updeb.sh script I am currently hacking with
[21:13] <dupondje> but u can't use debchange on a .deb ?
[21:13] <dupondje> it needs to be the source ?
[21:14] <CarlFK> hmm... du no.
[21:14] <CarlFK> tweeking a .deb sounds dangerous
[21:14] <techII> apt-get source PACKAGE? then compile, etc; what are you trying to do exactly?
[21:14] <CarlFK> techII: you me?
[21:14] <dupondje> mysql is fucked since some days :(
[21:14] <dupondje> on AMD64
[21:15] <dupondje> mysql-server-5.0_5.0.67-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[21:15] <techII> CarlFK, ?
[21:15] <dupondje> it needs mysql-common_5.0.67-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[21:15] <dupondje> but only mysql-common_5.0.67-0ubuntu1_all.deb exists
[21:16] <CarlFK> techII: use an existing .deb for the /debian dir, and hope it works on updated source :)
[21:16] <CarlFK> where is this .27 kernel?
[21:19] <CarlFK> techII: you have a bug number for your atheros thing? (so I can link it to mine)
[21:19] <linux1> CarlFK, just search for 2.6.27 in synaptic package manager that what i did
[21:21] <bdunlap> hi, would this be a good place to show artwork related to ibex?
[21:21] <CarlFK> apt-get upgrade; packages have been kept back: linux-image-generic - is that expected ?
[21:22] <CarlFK> apt-get install linux-image-generic; following extra packages will be installed:  linux-image-2.6.27-1-generic
[21:29] <CarlFK> "nvidia (177.68): Installing module.  Kernel source for 2.6.27-1-generic not installed.  Cannot install this module. [fail]"
[21:29] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/74302/
[21:31] <danbhfive> anyone here know what happened to xorg?  how does video config happen in hardy?   Like, is there a keyword name for it, a special package?  Anything that I can google for more info?
[21:39] <Splex_> whenever i run an apt-get update i get the following warnings:
[21:39] <Splex_> W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package perl
[21:39] <Splex_> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[21:42] <linux1> CarlFK, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel/26242
[21:43] <Splex_> where can i view more details of what is happening to spit out those warnings?
[21:44] <techII> danbhfive, my best guess is that Xorg autodetects everything when it starts, and the 'restricted drivers' tool modifies the (mostly blank) xorg.conf when needed
[21:45] <CarlFK> linux1: um... do I need to read the whole thread ?
[21:45] <marekt> hi
[21:45] <marekt> , W:Nie udało się pobrać http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-backports/Release  Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[21:46] <marekt> i was trying to uprade to interpid
[21:46] <marekt> and i got this error
[21:46] <marekt> do you know it?
[21:46] <danbhfive> techII: mk, interesting
[21:47] <linux1> CarlFK, just this one will do "     22 Aug 14:47	Tim Gardner"
[21:48] <CarlFK> linux1: ok - now what?
[21:49] <CarlFK> I see the relevance, but not sure the point
[21:50] <linux1> CarlFK, i was just trying to let you know why it not working
[21:53] <CarlFK> ah - thanks
[21:57] <doggymenz> i have geforce8 card, my ubuntu updated kernel to 2.6.27
[21:57] <doggymenz> and now graphics dont work in X, it starts fail-safe low-res mode
[21:57] <doggymenz> why?
[21:58] <linux1> doggymenz, just reboot back in 2.6.26 -- nvidia does not play with 2.6.27 at the mo
[21:59] <doggymenz> oh
[21:59] <doggymenz> ya, im in 2.6.26 now
[21:59] <doggymenz> when will nvidia player with 2.6.27 ?
[22:00] <RAOF> Right now, I think.
[22:00] <RAOF> Any number of ubuntuforums goers have it working.
[22:01] <doggymenz> oh, cool
[22:01] <doggymenz> link?
[22:01] <doggymenz> the metacity minimize effect is so horribly ugly, someone needs to fix it, thank god for compiz
[22:06] <CarlFK> doggymenz:   cause:  http://dpaste.com/74302/  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.kernel.general/2386
[22:06] <CarlFK> no solution... just they why
[22:08] <RAOF> CarlFK: You should install the kernel headers that it's asking for :)
[22:08] <CarlFK> RAOF: then how do I get it to use them?
[22:09] <RAOF> By installing the 'linux-headers' package, generally.
[22:09] <CarlFK> that will cause the "Running DKMS auto installation service for kernel 2.6.27-1-generic" to run?
[22:09] <doggymenz> thanks
[22:10] <RAOF> Probably.
[22:10] <RAOF> If it doesn't, it'll run on boot anyway.
[22:10] <RAOF> Or you can run /etc/init.d/whatever-the-dkms-thingy-is
[22:11] <linux1> i take it back i got nvidia working now - i was using the nvidia installer not the dkms-thingy which work for me
[22:16] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/261318
[22:16] <DanaG> Here's an issue I have.
[22:17] <DanaG> s/here/that/
[22:27] <askand> Hi, whats up with Mr Langaseks mail about the feature freeze? Does that mean that blueprints not marked with either Beta Available or Postponed at the end of this day will not be in Intrepid?
[22:42] <Mez> *sigh* for some reason, wpa now no longer works on my machine
[22:42] <Mez> that, and a HDD fail = epic fail
[22:42] <Mez> (its not getting the auth packets before it decides to time out)
[23:05] <joh> Hi, to which LP project shall I report bugs in libglade2-0?
[23:09] <tormod> joh: the ubuntu project?
[23:10] <tormod> joh: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libglade2
[23:14] <joh> tormod: Ah, thanks
[23:25] <ion> I am getting a partial update warning with the latest updates today


[03:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added oem-somerville-wartortle-amd-meta to canonical-oem-metapackages in focal
[03:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added oem-somerville-wartortle-amd-meta to canonical-oem-metapackages in jammy
[06:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: oem-somerville-wartortle-amd-meta (jammy-proposed/primary) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[09:55] <RikMills> ubuntu-release: is do-release-upgrade on jammy meant to offer to upgrade to lunar, now that kinetic is EOL?
[13:14] <ricotz> hello, can I get the priority bumped of this libreoffice/riscv64 build, weirdly the archive rebuild has a higher priority than backport builds -- https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/4:7.5.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo22.04.1/+build/26821168
[13:59] <ricotz> teward, hi :), please see ^
[14:09] <teward> ricotz: i have no control of that.  backports pocket has lower priority than standard pockets.  always had.  so patience is required
[14:12] <ricotz> teward, yeah, I know that, I am referring to the ongoing archive rebuilds which have a Build score of 1410 while backports even have 1010
[14:12] <ricotz> e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20231017-jammy-updates
[14:13] <ricotz> riscv64 	59 	4586 jobs (3 days)
[14:13] <teward> previous message stands, cant do anything about the build queues
[14:14] <teward> build queue priority is something I cant touch and more or less is autodetermined
[14:14] <ricotz> thanks, I was asking to bump the score for this specific libreoffice build
[14:14] <teward> beyond my purview.  not even sure it can be done
[14:14] <ricotz> ok, archive admins should be able to, so hopefully someone reads this
[14:15] <teward> as i said before, patience is required.
[14:15] <ricotz> this can be done
[14:15] <ricotz> thanks
[14:15] <teward> i dont know if ubuntu-archive has that capability or not
[14:15] <teward> they might not
[14:15] <teward> but i'm not an archive admin so
[14:16] <teward> *goes back to eating breakfast*
[14:17] <ricotz> might be reasonable to rethink the scores in this case, e.g. assigning 1050 to backports by default, or lower score of the archive rebuilds
[14:17] <teward> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/BuildScores
[14:17] <ricotz> even PPA build get 2510
[14:18] <ricotz> I see
[14:18] <teward> sounds like a Launchpad design issue that should be raised there
[14:19] <teward> ricotz: also be aware that for alternative archs the build farm may not have many builders available for the arch too
[14:19] <teward> hence the backlogs
[14:19] <teward> see https://launchpad.net/builders
[14:20] <ricotz> I am aware of this site ;)
[14:29] <bdmurray> RikMills: yes
[14:29] <bdmurray> RikMills: Does it not?
[14:53] <cjwatson> ricotz: bumped
[15:02] <RikMills> bdmurray: that is fine. I just had thought that it would not try to jump eol releases. plus had not noticed that behaviour before. such are things
[15:04] <bdmurray> RikMills: its been like that for years. ;-) Its a way of getting more test coverage of the LTS to LTS upgrade path.
[15:04] <RikMills> bdmurray: that must have inexplicably passed me by then. thx :)
[15:08] <ricotz> cjwatson, thank you
[18:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (focal-proposed/main) [23.3.1-0ubuntu1~20.04.1 => 23.3.2-0ubuntu0~20.04.1] (core, edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud)
[18:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (jammy-proposed/main) [23.3.1-0ubuntu1~22.04.1 => 23.3.2-0ubuntu0~22.04.1] (core, ubuntu-cloud)
[18:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (mantic-proposed/main) [23.3.1-0ubuntu2 => 23.3.2-0ubuntu0~23.10.1] (core, ubuntu-cloud)
[18:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (lunar-proposed/main) [23.3.1-0ubuntu1~23.04.1 => 23.3.2-0ubuntu0~23.04.1] (core, ubuntu-cloud)
[19:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ceph [source] (focal-proposed) [15.2.17-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted octavia-dashboard [source] (focal-proposed) [5.0.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[21:04] <guiverc> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/mantic-minotaur-23-10-release-status-tracking/37887 still lists 23.10 as in progress; not released?   is that correct?
[21:07] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Probably not, I remember hearing rumblings a day or two ago that 23.10.1 was released - ubuntu-release can you comment?
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> guiverc, tsimonq2: I think it remains that way until the upgrade blocker gets fixed, which won't happen until nn opens.
[21:15] <guiverc> thanks Eickmeyer & tsimonq2 (yeah i posted '23.10 released' to fridge after ML was pasted as ~normal)
[21:15] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: For all intents and purposes, 23.10 is released, but upgrades aren't enabled.
[21:16] <guiverc> that i know; even noted fix released (lunar-mantic) on blocker bug; didn't expect that page to say 'in progress' though


[02:04] <cjwatson> wgrant: I just rearranged https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/snap-authorize-view/+merge/294358 rather extensively to use POST requests rather than mutating GETs.  I think it's less weird now, but it may be worth another look.
[02:05] <cjwatson> wgrant: Oh, and any objection to me going ahead with getting https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/meta-lp-deps/libsodium/+merge/294316 deployed to world tomorrow morning?
[02:05] <cjwatson> Forgot I hadn't done that yet.
[02:08] <wgrant> cjwatson: libsodium everywhere indeed makes sense. I'll look at snap-authorize-view after lunch, unless it's urgent.
[02:09] <cjwatson> Not urgent since I can't land it until doing libsodium.


[01:54] <darthanubis> does anyone here have succcess with mythexport?
[01:55] <darthanubis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythExport
[01:58] <darthanubis> nuvexport?
[02:51] <rcampbel3> just upgrade my master backend - lots of nvidia probs - nvidia settings doesn't detect nvidia X driver, dmesg shows it loaded... see on launchpad others having this problem... any solutions here?
[05:46] <h3x> does 8.04 install with xfs for /var/lib
[05:46] <h3x> in live cd, or should i use alternate
[05:49] <sshirley> Hey all. I have a newbie question about Linux in general. I want to run mythwelcome instead of mythfrontend first on bootup. How can I change the startup scripts?
[05:51] <sshirley> Anyone?
[05:54] <sshirley> Damn it's dead in here!
[05:58] <h3x> pretty much
[05:59] <h3x> they're all busy watching tv. hahaha.
[05:59] <sshirley> righto :-)
[05:59] <sshirley> Any idea on how to change the startup scripts on ubuntu? i want to run mythwelcome first before mythfrontend
[06:00] <h3x> i donno where they put that
[06:00] <h3x> i would start greppin
[06:00] <h3x> hehe
[06:05] <sshirley> grep in /etc?? :-)
[06:06] <h3x0r> no
[06:06] <h3x0r> its probably in the home directory in a .* file
[06:06] <h3x0r> like for xdm
[06:06] <h3x0r> or its in /etc/X11 is my guess
[06:06] <h3x0r> but i donno its probably buried somewhere in /var/X11 or whatever
[06:06] <h3x0r> or is that xorg now
[06:06] <sshirley> xorg
[06:07] <h3x0r> my finger memory sucks
[06:22] <zeke> ...and so we come to the crux of my dilemma...Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 24XX...and...Unable to execute "/bin/sh" for rc-default errors when trying to install Mythbuntu 8.04
[06:25] <zeke> would an alternate-iso possibly have better results?
[06:29] <gnub_daemon> or has anyone ever gotten this/ know what it means?
[06:46] <gnub_daemon> pretty dead in here tonight
[06:46] <aliby> zeke you may want to run a disk check on your drive
[06:47] <aliby> I've had something similar happen and an xfs_check and xfs_repair fixed it
[06:48] <gnub_daemon> already on the second disc check...the first one turned up errors in 8 files
[06:48] <gnub_daemon> 9 this time
[06:48] <aliby> hmm
[07:10] <gnub_daemon> gonna try an alternate-install...haven't had much luck with those in the past
[07:12] <gnub_daemon> but that was with freebsd...I ended up without a desktop environ
[08:35] <gnub_daemon> I'm getting a "No UPnP" error when I try to run the initial setup...
[08:35] <gnub_daemon> No UPnP backends found
[10:42] <gnub_daemon> anyone listening in?
[10:42] <laga> yeah, what's the problem?
[10:44] <gnub_daemon> fresh install of hardy...libdvdcss2, libdvdread3, ffmpeg and other codecs installed yet I can't get dvd playback in xine, vlc or mplayer
[10:44] <gnub_daemon> which is what got me into the whole reinstallation debacle in the first place
[10:49] <gnub_daemon> 8-S
[13:20] <MythbuntuGuest83> hi, somebody from germany here who can explain me how to add the "premiere direkt" channels to mythtv?
[13:21] <MythbuntuGuest83> the get skipped by the channel scan
[13:25] <BobSlob> anyone know why i'd be having choppy playback in 8.04 on a c2d 2.13ghz, 2gb ram, 6800gt, using the restricted drivers? seems like no matter what playback settings i pick its choppy.
[13:26] <MythbuntuGuest83> try to disable the bob2 deinterlace
[13:26] <MythbuntuGuest83> i think its enabled in almost every playback group
[13:30] <BobSlob> okay, i made a custom profile... what would you recommend as my decoder and renderer?
[13:32] <laga> MythbuntuGuest83: it's been discussed in the forums and on the mythtv-users mailing list
[13:32] <MythbuntuGuest83> laga thats my post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4746803#post4746803
[13:33] <MythbuntuGuest83> BobSlob I am using the xvmc-nvidia setting
[13:33] <BobSlob> hmm... i dont even see that one. that the renderer?
[13:34] <MythbuntuGuest83> BobSlob sorry, as decoder standard xvmc and renderer xvmc-opengl
[13:35] <laga> xvmc-opengl isn't supported. it will fall back to something else
[13:35] <MythbuntuGuest83> lol
[13:35] <MythbuntuGuest83> ok then I don't know which I use ;)
[13:35] <BobSlob> haha
[13:35] <laga> it's still listed in the menu.. should be fixed :)
[13:36] <BobSlob> using standard xvmc and xvmc-blit caused mythtv to crap out =P
[13:38] <laga> BobSlob: maybe it's a problem with the video timing method. try opengl vsync?
[13:38] <BobSlob> i switched to just standard and its working okay
[13:39] <laga> i guess you don't need xvmc on the E6400 ;)
[13:40] <BobSlob> weird though, the "ticker" on sports channels is choppy as its scrolling... hard to read
[13:40] <BobSlob> xvmc is the best choice right?
[13:41] <laga> if it's jittery, you can usually benefit from a 2x deinterlacer
[13:41] <laga> BobSlob: no, it's just "a" choice.. check the mythtv wiki on xvmc ;)
[13:57] <MythbuntuGuest83> laga so you can't help me with premiere?
[14:07] <laga> no
[14:16] <MythbuntuGuest83> ok danke trotzdem
[14:39] <BobSlob> think i'd get better performance if i went to the offical nvidia drivers over the restricted drivers?
[14:44] <jduggan> most definitly
[14:45] <BobSlob> should i just use envy to install them?
[14:46] <laga> um
[14:46] <laga> what's the difference between "official nvidia drivers" and the "restricted drivers"? ;)
[14:46] <laga> but in any case, use envy, don't install from source
[14:46] <jduggan> i think he's using restricted as in, 'useless' rather than to say proprietary
[14:46] <jduggan> :P
[14:48] <a1fa> Err http://packages.medibuntu.org hardy/free Packages
[14:48] <a1fa>   404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[14:48] <a1fa> wtf?
[14:48] <laga> omg
[14:48] <a1fa> clicky dont work no more :)
[14:48] <BobSlob> haha
[14:49] <a1fa> no, i am saying mythbuntu control panel is selecting 404 package tree
[14:49] <MythbuntuGuest15> just popped in to say thanks for advice yesterday - I got 8.04rc running and i'm very impressed - esp the multirec (3 recordings simultaneously on one tuner!)
[14:50] <a1fa> multirec?
[14:50] <a1fa> 3 different channels?
[14:51] <jduggan> 3 channels on the same mux using one tuner
[14:52] <a1fa> why would you do that?
[14:58] <a1fa> nvm
[14:58] <a1fa> they are having server issues over at medibuntu
[15:14] <MythbuntuGuest15> indeed, 3 channels on the same mux is the restriction - but 2 tuners means you pretty much have no chance of recording clashes
[15:15] <BobSlob> hmm
[15:15] <BobSlob> anyone have any ideas why my recorded shows display no video (i hear the sound, and in the menu the video shows in the little window)
[15:17] <darthanubis> BobSlob, may have to remove and readd your capture card from the setup
[15:18] <darthanubis> anyone with nuvexport or nythexport experience?
[15:18] <darthanubis> mythexport
[15:19] <darthanubis> nuvexport is not renaming the file correctly
[15:19] <darthanubis> mmythexport is not working at all
[15:21] <darthanubis> nuvexport is not renaming the files it creates correctly, then end up like this %t_-__00_(04).avi
[15:29] <a1fa> what?
[15:29] <BobSlob> darthanubis: okay... although i dont see how that'll work... the video is recorded
[15:29] <a1fa> 3 MUX?
[15:29] <a1fa> wtf is a mux?
[15:29] <BobSlob> i can hear the sound, just no video
[15:30] <darthanubis> sorry
[15:30] <darthanubis> I miss understood the ?
[15:30] <BobSlob> oh.. np =D
[15:31] <darthanubis> !google | a1fa
[15:31] <ubotu> a1fa: google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[15:31] <a1fa> what
[15:31] <a1fa> !google | ubotu
[15:31] <ubotu> ubotu: google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[15:32] <darthanubis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demux
[15:33] <darthanubis> In electronics, a multiplexer or mux (occasionally the term muldex is also found, for a combination multiplexer-demultiplexer) is a device that performs multiplexing; it selects one of many analog or digital input signals and outputs that into a single line.
[15:33] <a1fa> ok
[15:33] <a1fa> so i dont get it what does have to do with recording 1 show 3 times
[15:33] <a1fa> doesnt make sence
[16:07] <BobSlob> someone mentioned to me, a plugin or something that could download missing episodes off usenet automagically within mythtv
[16:07] <BobSlob> any truth to that?
[16:08] <laga> no
[16:08] <laga> not gonna happen
[19:16] <Raspberry> hmm -- so my problem of mythtv-frontend not holding focus...  must have something to do with either the SVIDEO out to the TV (2nd display) or it has to do with the fact that I upgraded the mythtv box from 7.10 to 8.04 -- my 8.04 workstation that has been installed since Alpha2 -- works fine with the frontend
[19:17] <bogus-> is there also a way to setup mythbuntu via usb?
[19:18] <superm1> via usb stick?
[19:18] <superm1> yeah
[19:18] <superm1> you can copy all the contents of the iso to the stick
[19:18] <superm1> and then install grub/syslinux
[19:18] <superm1> or similar
[19:19] <laga> Raspberry: wait. you have a dualhead setup? yeah, mythfrontend tends to loose focus then, especially if you do work on the other head
[19:19] <bogus-> hmm nm, the machine doesn't support it :p
[19:27] <Raspberry> laga: the tv is the only head... i think i explaned things wrong earler :)
[19:28] <laga> ah
[19:39] <mary|myth> i just tried to give mythbuntu 8.04 a try, I'm using it as a live frontend
[19:39] <mary|myth> but it isn't able to play recorded programs
[19:40] <mary|myth> it gives: NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://<IP_ADDRESS>:6543/
[19:40] <mary|myth> the previews show up in the recorded programs window
[19:41] <mary|myth> and livetv works
[19:41] <mary|myth> ...i guess i just want to know if I'm doing something wrong or if i should report a bug
[19:44] <mary|myth> i think there should be a file appended after myth://<IP_ADDRESS>:6543/ but there isn't one
[19:44] <mary|myth> and i don't know why
[19:50] <superm1> mary|myth, is that on a secondary backend that you are connecting to?
[19:50] <superm1> or to a primary?
[19:51] <mary|myth> primary
[19:51] <superm1> hm okay then it isn't likely a recording prefix error
[19:52] <superm1> is that the right ip of the backend?
[19:52] <superm1> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[19:52] <mary|myth> yeah
[19:52] <superm1> is it listening on that port?
[19:52] <superm1> try nmap..
[19:52] <mary|myth> my other frontends work :/
[19:52] <superm1> hm
[19:53] <superm1> what kind of video card?
[19:53] <superm1> maybe xv isn't working..
[19:53] <mary|myth> i did have to change the video player
[19:53] <mary|myth> but livetv from the backend is working
[19:53] <superm1> just recordings dont work?
[19:53] <superm1> wha?
[19:53] <mary|myth> yeah
[19:53] <superm1> that's really bzr...
[19:53] <mary|myth> and they show up in their preview
[19:54] <superm1> well the preview does different stuff
[19:54] <mary|myth> those silly mini-videos in the right corner
[19:54] <superm1> so i would think that's much to go on
[19:54] <superm1> do you have a secondary backend setup anywhere?
[19:54] <superm1> or have you ever?
[19:54] <mary|myth> i don't think so
[19:54] <superm1> possibly with the same hostname that you are using on the live disk
[19:54] <superm1> okay
[20:00] <mary|myth> i set it to always stream recordings from the backend, before that it was saying that it could find /home/mythtv i think
[20:13] <mary|myth> i just tried setting a different hostname in the mysql.txt and that didn't change anything
[20:17] <superm1> does the mythfrontend log indicate that error, or the backend log?
[20:18] <mary|myth> frontend
[20:18] <mary|myth> i don't see any errors in the backend
[20:18] <superm1> does the backend by chance complain at the same time about anything?
[20:19] <superm1>  hm
[20:19] <superm1> well could you by chance do an install from live disk somewhre?
[20:19] <superm1> and see if it persists upon install?
[20:20] <mary|myth> unfortunatly i don't can a computer to do it on right now
[20:20] <superm1> o
[20:20] <superm1> even to a flash drive?
[20:20] <mary|myth> no :/
[20:20] <mary|myth> thats why i was trying the live mythbuntu
[20:21] <superm1> i've had no issues with it in the past, so it's a bit surprising this is cropping up
[20:21] <superm1> especially if other frontends work
[20:23] <laga> (i sometimes get "recording not foundt" too but i havent investigated yet)
[20:26] <mary|myth> in one of my google searches, someone said they were missing a perl script
[20:26] <mary|myth> but didn't say what it was
[20:27] <mary|myth> just one of those "oh i fixed it, was missing a perl script"
[20:27] <superm1> shouldnt be using perl for anything at that time....
[20:27] <superm1> and anyhow libmyth-perl is installed already
[20:30] <laga> maybe optimize_mythdb.pl or myth.rebuilddatabase.pl but i doubt that.
[20:32] <superm1> especially on playback
[20:37] <mary|myth> i just noticed up two likes it gives: 2008-04-20 19:36:40.227 GetRecordBasename found no entry
[20:37] <laga> i used to see these 1-2 months ago, then i updated from trunk to 0.21, now it seems to be back..
[20:38] <laga> although it's still possible it's just a case of bad reception for me
[20:38] <superm1> mary|myth, can your database for consistency
[20:38] <superm1> see if you can repair some tables
[20:38] <superm1> mythweb has a nifty button for that
[20:39] <mary|myth> hm mythweb stopped working when it update to .21 and i haven't looked at it since
[20:39] <superm1> related issue possibly :)?
[20:39] <mary|myth> nm..
[20:39] <mary|myth> mythweb is fixed
[20:40] <mary|myth> i hadn't tried it in a long time
[20:40] <superm1> well you know an important question here then based on laga's statement
[20:40] <superm1> are you working off the 8.04 disk?
[20:40] <superm1> or 7.10
[20:40] <mary|myth> 8/04
[20:40] <superm1> yeah well try to repair the DB
[20:41] <superm1> see if there is any luck
[20:41] <mary|myth> my backend is debian
[20:43] <superm1> well no one's perfect ;)
[20:43] <mary|myth> heh, its my fiance's computer not mine
[20:44] <laga> just replace the sources.list, he'll never know
[20:44] <mary|myth> haha, i tried that one time on a computer of mine...it turned out very bad
[20:45] <mary|myth> i had a ubuntu install and wanted to turn it into a debian install...
[20:45] <laga> yes, i imagine..
[20:45] <laga> i tried to convert my ubuntu i386 into and amd64 install once
[20:45] <mary|myth> i didn't care too much if it got messed up, i just gave it a try
[20:45] <superm1> well its actually very doable
[20:45] <laga> superm1: i386->amd64?
[20:45] <superm1> yeah
[20:45] <superm1> you need to first have an update to date i386
[20:46] <superm1> and then debootstrap an amd64 into another directory
[20:46] <superm1> and over write everything in i386
[20:46] <superm1> and then use apt to reinstall everything
[20:46] <laga> hum
[20:46] <laga> i tried to do everything in place
[20:46] <superm1> yeah that's never gonna work
[20:46] <laga> installing the amd64 kernel went ok, but glibc sucked ;)
[20:46] <mary|myth> ok...my database is all 'OK'
[20:47] <superm1> well your fiance's database is okay.
[20:47] <superm1> but yeah
[20:48] <mary|myth> his computer, my tv
[20:48] <superm1> it was okay before, or it is "now'?
[20:48] <mary|myth> was ok before
[20:48] <superm1> hn
[20:48] <superm1> well makes for a perplexing problem then
[20:57] <laga> would be interesting to see the database entry for one of the affected recordings
[20:58] <mary|myth> *all* recordings are like this
[20:58] <mary|myth> but only with this frontend
[20:58] <superm1> are all the others the same os?
[20:58] <superm1> or what are they?
[20:58] <mary|myth> my laptop is running regular old ubuntu
[20:58] <superm1> 8.04?
[20:58] <mary|myth> gusty
[20:59] <superm1> hm
[20:59] <superm1> well the backport is still very similar to the 8.04
[20:59] <superm1> so it shouldnt be anything major between the two
[20:59] <superm1> could you try to set a diff hostname in the live frontend?
[20:59] <superm1> in the gui
[20:59] <superm1> so it gets fresh settings
[21:00] <mary|myth> yeah, i tried that
[21:00] <mary|myth> and i tried the hostname from my laptop
[21:00] <mary|myth> and both had the same result as before
[21:00] <superm1> perhaps try booting that live disk on your laptop
[21:00] <superm1> to rule out some weird hardware issue of this machine
[21:00] <superm1> since you know the hw in your laptop works
[21:00] <mary|myth> heh, my latop is ultra portable, it has no CD drive
[21:00] <mary|myth> and this hardware worked with debian
[21:01] <superm1> using a prop graphics drivers?
[21:01] <superm1> or open source
[21:01] <mary|myth> the intel one
[21:01] <mary|myth> same driver as my laptop
[21:01] <superm1> hm
[21:01] <mary|myth> ...and livetv streaming from the backend works
[21:02] <superm1> okay only other thing i could think is to bump the verbosity up on the frontend launch
[21:02] <laga> can you pastebin the whole frontend and backend log?
[21:06] <mary|myth> http://lug.mtu.edu/pastebin/2737
[21:06] <mary|myth> that's the frontend
[21:11] <mary|myth> here is the end of the backend: http://lug.mtu.edu/pastebin/2738
[21:12] <superm1> 2008-04-20 16:05:46.272 RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket):
[21:12] <superm1>                         Could not connect to server "" @ port -1
[21:12] <superm1> 2008-04-20 16:05:46.272 RemoteFile::openSocket(file data socket):
[21:12] <superm1>                         Could not connect to server "" @ port -1
[21:12] <superm1> that doesn'g look very nice
[21:12] <superm1> nor that
[21:12] <superm1> 2008-04-20 16:05:46.273 RingBuffer::RingBuffer(): Failed to open remote file ()
[21:12] <superm1> 2008-04-20 16:05:46.326 RingBuf() Error: Invalid file descriptor in
[21:12] <superm1> 'safe_read()'
[21:12] <superm1> you sure your other machines are working properly right now?
[21:12] <mary|myth> yup
[21:12] <mary|myth> just checked again
[21:13] <laga> i've had the same error messages
[21:13] <laga> let me look at my logs
[21:14]  * laga waits for his backend to power up
[21:17] <laga> mine seem different...
[21:17] <laga> backend:
[21:18] <laga> 2008-04-20 22:17:23.034 RingBuf(/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/screwless/56621_20080420165800.mpg): Could not open /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/screwless/56621_20080420165800.mpg.
[21:18] <laga> 2008-04-20 22:17:23.039 RingBuf(/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/screwless/56621_20080420165800.mpg) Error: Invalid file descriptor in 'safe_read()'
[21:18] <laga> frontend: 2008-04-20 22:18:04.944 Error: File 'myth://<IP_ADDRESS>:6543/56628_20080419221300.mpg' missing.
[21:18] <laga> _lots_ of these.
[21:19]  * laga looks at the database
[21:20] <mary|myth> i think mine might have been from when i tried to delete a recording from the live frontend
[21:20] <mary|myth> it didn't register i deleted it until i left the recrdings menu and went back into it
[21:21] <mary|myth> but it did actually delete it
[21:23] <laga> the recording i'm currently looking actually doesn't exist. so we might not have the same problem.
[21:23] <laga> mary|myth: you can try to change the LocalHostName in mysql.txt.. so you start with fresh settings
[21:23] <laga> on your frontend
[21:23] <mary|myth> i tried that already
[21:23] <laga> oh :/
[21:25] <laga> i used to have that problem when my BE and Fe had slightly different versions of mythtv.
[21:26] <laga> not saying that it's related, but it went away after upgrading to 0.21 :)
[21:27] <mary|myth> http://lug.mtu.edu/pastebin/2739 <- verbose one
[21:29] <laga> well, i dont see any error messages at all in that one?
[21:29] <laga> odd
[21:29] <laga> 'video_output' mean = '33340.60', std. dev. = '245.63', fps = '29.99'
[21:29] <laga> looks like its working?
[21:29] <mary|myth> see line 37
[21:30] <laga> ah, right.
[21:30] <laga> mary|myth: -v network might interesting, or -v database
[21:30] <laga> both will be huge
[21:30] <laga> you can also combine them ;)
[21:30] <laga> and why can i only ever find references to spongebob in my logs
[21:31] <laga> okay, looks like i need to rescan my transports.
[21:35] <mary|myth> SELECT basename FROM recorded WHERE chanid = '1073' AND       starttime = '2008-04-20T02:00:00'
[21:35] <mary|myth> that is the query it is doing
[21:35] <mary|myth> and that is returning nothing
[21:37] <superm1> look at taht table and see what looks wrong related to it
[21:37] <superm1> perhaps a timezone issue?
[21:37] <laga> can you work out what the query is on other boxes?
[21:37] <superm1> are the locales on your other boxes different at all?
[21:38] <mary|myth> my other startimes dont' have the "T02" in them
[21:38] <mary|myth> instead there is a space there
[21:39] <laga> hum
[21:39] <laga> can you run  'export' on both boxes so we can see the environment? strip all sensitive information of course
[21:42]  * laga goes to sort his channel list
[21:44] <mary|myth> even without the "T" there isn't a recording at that time
[21:44] <mary|myth> it is 3 hours earlier
[21:45] <laga> mary|myth: can you please give us the output of "date" from both boxes?
[21:45] <mary|myth> Sun Apr 20 20:45:35 UTC 2008
[21:45] <mary|myth> Sun Apr 20 16:45:46 EDT 2008
[21:45] <laga> okay, and where are you located?
[21:46] <mary|myth> EDT
[21:46] <laga> well, can you see the problem? ;)
[21:46] <mary|myth> so, um, how do i change the timezone?
[21:46] <mary|myth> without a reboot
[21:46] <superm1> so sounds like we should have an option in the live frontend for settings timezone huh laga?
[21:46] <mary|myth> because usually i reboot
[21:46] <superm1> mary|myth, i think just tzselect
[21:46] <superm1> will do the trick
[21:47] <laga> oh neat
[21:47] <laga> superm1: no. people just need to have their time (zone) configured correctly
[21:47] <laga> oh
[21:47] <laga> in the _live_ frontend
[21:47] <laga> yeah.
[21:47] <superm1> yeah
[21:47] <laga> some graphical timezone thingamajic
[21:47] <mary|myth> i just used tzselect and date is still wrong
[21:48] <laga> hum
[21:48] <superm1> sudo tzselect?
[21:48] <laga>        Note that tzselect will not actually change the timezone for you. Use ’dpkg-reconfigure tzdata’ to achieve this.
[21:48] <superm1> so that it updates /etc/localtime and stuch
[21:48] <mary|myth> yup
[21:48] <superm1> oh
[21:48]  * laga slaps superm1
[21:48] <superm1> hey how am i supposed to know that
[21:48] <laga> heh
[21:48] <laga> i usually just update the symlink manually
[21:49] <superm1> what is the point of a utility to just "view" timezones
[21:49] <superm1> that seems incredibly un-useful
[21:49] <mary|myth> yay it works
[21:49] <laga> heh
[21:49] <mary|myth> thanks! :)
[21:49] <laga> yay
[21:49] <laga> :)
[21:49] <laga> and my backend works, too.
[21:49] <laga> at least i hope that :)
[21:49] <mary|myth> darn timezones
[21:49] <superm1> i think that we need an FAQ question on that
[21:49] <laga> yes
[21:50] <superm1> mary|myth, would you mind addin gthat to the FAQ?
[21:50] <mary|myth> is it just a wiki or something?
[21:50] <superm1> yeah it should be
[21:50] <laga> superm1: how's lost season 4?
[21:50] <laga> any good?
[21:51] <superm1> well even if it wasnt
[21:51] <superm1> would you stop watching?
[21:51] <mary|myth> where is the faq?
[21:51] <superm1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/FAQs
[21:51] <laga> superm1: no.
[21:51] <superm1> yeah see
[21:52] <mary|myth> there doesn't seem to be a 8.04 section
[21:52] <superm1> well that will pertain to 7.10 or 8.04
[21:52] <laga> superm1: i'll probably be importing season 4 on DVD
[21:52] <superm1> just a general question
[21:52] <superm1> laga, you can't just watch via the intarweb on abc's website?
[21:53] <laga> superm1: i'm not used to such generosity on part of media companies
[21:53] <superm1> well they might lock it down for .de
[21:54] <superm1> but that's how i've caught up on all the south park (www.southparkstudios.com)
[21:54] <laga> "only viewers within the united states can watch these full-length episodes"
[21:54] <laga> i knew i should have rented a server in .us.
[21:55] <superm1> that's so ridiculous
[21:55] <laga> yup :)
[21:56] <laga> superm1: can everyone in the US just watch them in HD on the intarwebs? that's very neat
[21:56] <superm1> yeah but it's all add ridden
[21:56] <laga> how much?
[21:56] <superm1> actually i dunno.  i've only ever used it to watch the start or end of an episode
[21:56] <superm1> that got cut off
[21:56] <laga> ah
[21:57] <laga> gah, i need to stop reading the episode description
[21:57] <superm1> some networks adblock works on though
[21:57] <superm1> like southpark's
[21:57] <superm1> so its not a bad deal at all then
[21:57] <laga> scrolling through 70 episodes of lost trying to find the correct one gives away lots of endings on my mythtv box ;)
[21:57] <laga> superm1: south park is ok


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