[17:23] <rlameiro> ScottL: hi there
[17:23] <rlameiro> just cheking out with you
[17:24] <rlameiro> i have beeing a bit busy this time
[17:24] <rlameiro> I will try to get the ubuntustudio controls done
[17:24] <rlameiro> at least the minimum things required for it to work
[17:24] <rlameiro> sorry for beeing away
[17:39] <ScottL> rlameiro, ah, that's more than okay because i've been away for about a month as well


[02:15] <fredsua> Cannot move "/home/fredd...top/cdroot" to the trash because you do not have permissions to change it or its parent folder.
[02:15] <fredsua> does anyone know how to get around this?  I am the administrator
[02:17] <ctop> sudo
[02:17] <ctop> or chown
[03:43] <Devo> hello
[03:43] <Devo> anyone around?
[03:43] <ctop> no
[03:44] <ctop> :-)
[03:44] <Devo> hha
[03:44] <Devo> i need to change the display options for my login screen
[03:45] <Devo> xfce is fine, i set it in the control panel, but the login screen is all squished
[03:45] <Devo> and i can't seem to make Xorg do it
[03:58] <mjw-> Devo but once you're logged in it's fine?
[04:06] <Devo> yes
[04:06] <Devo> it switches
[04:06] <Devo> the problem being, when it switches, sometimes my monitor just stays black
[04:18] <cookiemonster077> i need help getting wireless usb dongle to work
[05:15] <runemaste> Would xubuntu run well on a P2 500-600 mhz with 128 - 256 mb ram?
[05:16] <zoredache> it would run ok... but that doesn't mean resource-intensive application would run well
[05:17] <runemaste> im just thinking simple games, word processing... so there wouldnt be too much gui lag?
[05:18] <zoredache> it seems to me, that it would be easier to try it and find out if it is acceptable to you versus me trying to speculate...
[05:19] <runemaste> fair enough
[05:19] <zoredache> I suspect things will run ok
[05:20] <runemaste> now i need to see if i can seperate the computer from my sister... im wondering if its worth installing linux... its running (God help me) M$ at the moment and takes about ~2-3 minutes to boot and a whole minute to log in
[05:47] <Mar1> Hello?
[05:47] <mjw-> *cough*
[05:47] <Mar1> Anyone able to help me out please?
[05:47] <zoredache> Mar1: ask your question
[05:49] <Mar1> (deep breath) I have an old Trident 3d AGP card running on a Dell monitor.  I have to run under safe graphics mode to see anything, but can then install and run as normal.  However...
[05:49] <Mar1> I cannot change any graphics options, or the screen goes black and crap.  Even if I test the current settings, the screen goes all garbled.
[05:49] <Mar1> I basically have to stick with 1024 x 768 and the vesa drivers.
[05:50] <mjw-> I didn't even know trident made AGP cards
[05:50] <Mar1> Trident Blade 8MB.
[05:50] <mjw-> what does    lspci | grep -i vga return
[05:52] <Mar1> No such file or directory.  --> I am currently using a live cd as I borked my install messing round with resolutions and can't see anything anymore.
[05:52] <mjw-> lspci should be on the live cd
[05:52] <mjw-> it's a lowercase L in front
[05:53] <Mar1> Yep.  If I don't type return, I get:
[05:53] <Mar1> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems Blade 3D PCI/AGP (rev 3a)
[05:53] <mjw-> well, in theory, the 'trident' driver supports the card i think
[05:54] <Mar1> Yeah, but again, changing resolutions or drivers makes things go bad when I click test.
[05:54] <mjw-> so you'd have to mount your installation, navigate to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, edit it and find the line that says Driver "vesa"   to Driver "trident"
[05:54] <mjw-> that should have said, and change it to...
[05:55] <Mar1> I have to leave everything as is, again, even as is test doesn't work, yet the display works.
[05:55] <Mar1> When I choose that in the GUI and click test it doesn't work.  Surely that's bad?
[05:56] <mjw-> well it should be the driver that works
[05:56] <mjw-> keep in mind 8MB of video ram is pretty paltry
[05:56] <mjw-> so a lot of modes won't work
[05:56] <Mar1> Yeah, I'm definitely leaning on getting a Radeon 9600, I just hope that works.
[05:58] <Mar1> Could you please tell me the command to mount my install?
[05:58] <mjw-> if you want to get something cheap that will work, an NVidia Geforce2MX or Geforce2MX400 or whatever might be best
[05:58] <mjw-> marl it should appear on the left pane in nautilus
[05:58] <Mar1> I want to power a 2707wfp :p
[05:59] <mjw-> marl: then get a Geforce 7300GS or something
[05:59] <Mar1> That's about 2x the price of a 9600 here in New Zealand.
[05:59] <mjw-> ouch
[06:00] <mjw-> i've not heard great things about the 9600 honestly. An 8xxx series might be a safer bet
[06:00] <mjw-> if you can still find those
[06:01] <mjw-> perhaps an X300?
[06:02] <Mar1> Looking at my xorg.conf which won't display things now, and my old one which worked, my new one references the Trident driver, and my old one uses the vesa driver.  I think I will just give up with this card.
[06:03] <Mar1> I take it resolution and driver changing works okay for everyone else?
[06:03] <mjw-> marl: i tweaked my xorg.conf...of course, i'm on a single resolution LCD basically
[06:05] <Mar1> Can I just rename my old xorg.conf to replace my new not working one?  Or do I need to rebuild something/wear a special hat?
[06:05] <mjw-> marl: no special hats required
[06:09] <Mar1> Can't use the gui to rename it.  It could be a permission thing.  I had the install with a particular username and password.  The Live CD wouldn't know it.  Suggestions?
[06:09] <ron_o> how can I tell which version of xubuntu I have?
[06:10] <mjw-> lsb_release -a
[06:11] <ron_o> I have 7.04 feisty but have 275 updates still. is it safe to do so?
[06:12] <ron_o> for some reason firefox is crashing on me, and perhaps that can solve it.
[06:12] <ron_o> it's not like I need to update.
[06:12] <mjw-> um, it should be safe to update. you've uh just gotten a little behind
[06:13] <mjw-> Mar1 you need to do    sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:13] <ron_o> thanks.
[06:13] <ron_o> it is a bit old.
[06:13] <ron_o> my burn that is.
[06:13] <mjw-> Mar1 and btw there's no way that blade card could power a 2707wfp
[06:14] <Mar1> sudo, of course.  Cheers.
[06:14] <mjw-> it simply doesn't have enough video memory
[06:14] <Mar1> I know, but it is supposed to at least do 1600 x 1200, which is far better than the 1024 x 768 of now.
[06:17] <mjw-> 1920 x 1200 x 24bpp = 6.6MB at a minimum, plus X tends to double buffer nowadays and whatnot so 8MB ain't gonna cut it ;)
[06:18] <Mar1> If my bios has AGP aperture selectable of either 32MB or 64MB, is there any point in a card that has more than 64MB RAM?
[06:19] <mjw-> unless you're going to be doing 3D stuff, I don't think it matters. I'm not all up on AGP apertures and other such settings though
[06:21] <mjw-> certainly > 64MB isn't going to help at all if you're just interested in 2D
[06:26] <Mar1> Yeah, I also hope my 250W power supply could handle a 9600.  Think so, though.
[06:27] <mjw-> as long as you don't get the super-duper-overclocked version of it, probably
[06:28] <Mar1> But that one sounds really good.
[06:28] <mjw-> specifically i've had two people tell me the 9600XT is all kinds of trouble with both the open source and the binary driver
[06:29] <Mar1> What about GeForce 6200?
[06:30] <mjw-> I don't know
[06:30] <mjw-> just don't get a matrox unless you like pain...not that anyone really sells them anymore ;)
[06:31] <mjw-> a matrox G550 DVI -might- be ok but man that card is long in the tooth even
[09:55] <LeAstrale> hi ppl
[09:55] <LeAstrale> any1 in here knows why Xubuntu doesn't remember my xorg settings =
[09:57] <TheSheep> LeAstrale: can you proide more details?
[09:57] <TheSheep> provide
[09:58] <LeAstrale> yes i can... at every boot i install the Nvidia 169.09 from fresh to get a good screen resolution again
[09:59] <LeAstrale> after a reboot xubuntu seems to forget that i've installed drivers at all and wants to start up in low graphics mode
[09:59] <TheSheep> LeAstrale: how do you install it?
[10:02] <LeAstrale> from cli using sh *nvidia driver filename*
[10:02] <LeAstrale> while root
[10:02] <TheSheep> why didn't you install the drivers from the ubuntu repositories?
[10:03] <LeAstrale> because they're no good for my 8800gt.. only the official nvidia drivers can make it work
[10:03] <TheSheep> the drivers in the restricted repositories are the official ones
[10:04] <TheSheep> just use the restricted drivers manager and it will install the right drivers
[10:05] <LeAstrale> restricted drivers management cant seem to find the card
[10:05] <TheSheep> :(
[10:05] <TheSheep> have you reported a bug?
[10:06] <LeAstrale> no i havent.
[10:06] <LeAstrale> i think ill check the forums again
[10:06] <TheSheep> I can't think of a solution for you now, but if you report it, I'm sure it will be fixed in the new version
[10:07] <TheSheep> and there might be a workaround right away
[10:07] <TheSheep> !bugs
[10:07] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[10:08] <LeAstrale> ty TheSheep
[10:09] <TheSheep> LeAstrale: btw, the reason why it disappears every time you reboot is because ubuntu has the directory in which the drivers are kept mounted in a ramdisk
[10:10] <TheSheep> you can see it if you type 'mount'
[10:11] <LeAstrale> what to mount ? :S
[10:11] <deadnecro> just a quick question from  a linux newbie if i may
[10:11] <LeAstrale> ahhh.. tried it :)
[10:13] <LeAstrale> http://xubuntu.pastebin.com/d2756adf3
[10:13] <LeAstrale> here is what the terminakl replied on mount
[10:13] <deadnecro> I have a 2G SD card that I'm trying to format have tried using gnome partition manager and it won't format it also have tried undder windows saying its write protected was wondering if I could force a format with the command line or something
[10:14] <LeAstrale> deadnecro: have you checked the write protection tab on the card it self? if its enabled you won't be able to do anything
[10:15] <deadnecro> well i've tried it in both directions and neither work so I dunno whats going on
[10:15] <deadnecro> I can still read and write to it just cant format it
[10:16] <LeAstrale> just mark all folders and delete them ?
[10:16] <LeAstrale> unless you for some reason need a format
[10:16] <LeAstrale> to a different Fileformat
[10:16] <LeAstrale> deadnecro: camera's and so on can usually format the cards too
[10:17] <LeAstrale> brb
[10:17] <deadnecro> linux won't let me do anything with can only read and write
[10:18] <deadnecro> hasn't been in a camera or anything pretty sure its only been in my laptop and my girlfriensds laptop
[10:18] <deadnecro> can't delete the files as I now don't have any access to a windows machine
[10:22] <LeAstrale> hmm... if you cant alter the files on it then you only have read access AFAIK
[10:22] <LeAstrale> have you tried chmod to alter the permissions ?
[10:25] <deadnecro> ok tried it in my internal card reader even though it was saying it couldn't mount it and formatted it fine
[10:28] <deadnecro> ok so I can format in my internal card reader but cant mount it
[10:28] <deadnecro> if its in my other card reader I cant edit anything
[10:28] <deadnecro> any ideas
[10:28] <LeAstrale> bbl
[11:20] <LeAstrale> back
[11:42] <qwerkus> hello all
[11:42] <qwerkus> I own a site hosted on french isp free.fr
[11:43] <qwerkus> it s free of charge, but isp only allow connection from framce
[11:43] <qwerkus> ... whil i am in germany
[11:43] <qwerkus> *France
[11:44] <qwerkus> Is it possible to have a server running at home in France
[11:44] <qwerkus> and set up some tunnel between that server and my laptop in germany
[11:44] <qwerkus> so i can connect to my isp via a french IP ?
[11:48] <LeAstrale> it should be possible using your home server as proxy
[11:48] <LeAstrale> but thats all i know
[11:49] <runemaste> ... use ssh tunneling
[11:49] <runemaste> ssh server in france ssh client (ie putty for windows... not sure for linux) with tunneling set up
[11:50] <qwerkus> you mean via openssh ?
[11:53] <runemaste> ja
[12:02] <qwerkus> ok
[12:02] <qwerkus> thanks alot
[16:04] <nikolam> hi
[16:05] <nikolam> is there alternative way to make programs install, to sudo make install?
[16:06] <nikolam> I only have *.tar.gz source of program and I would like to make *.deb instead of making it install with ./configure , make , sudo make install
[16:09] <Mannequin> hi. can someone suggest me a burning software for Xubuntu, that let me choose the speed I want to burn an .iso?
[16:09] <TheSheep> Mannequin: brasero
[16:16] <slackl> can anyone help with cd dvd burning issues
[16:16] <Mannequin> TheSheep: I have brasero installed by default, but I didn't find any option to set the speed at which the iso will be burned
[16:17] <slackl> so it seems there are quite a few issues with burning dc etc in ubuntu
[16:30] <LeAstrale> how to change the pages to horizontal in OO Writer?
[16:54] <Darkmystere> Hello can someone help me i cant get my cubecap pictures nor my skydome pictures to take affect
[17:57] <LeAstrale> himppl
[17:57] <LeAstrale> hi ppl i meant :)
[18:10] <slow-motion> hi
[18:11] <LeAstrale> hi slow-motion
[18:12] <slow-motion> hi LeAstrale
[18:33] <danopia> hi
[18:47] <lordzos> I'm having problems SSH logging-in to my remote xubuntu box ... I'm connecting from a Gentoo box to the xubuntu
[18:47] <lordzos> I have a key-pair setup, that was working perfectly with my remote box
[18:48] <lordzos> now, however, I needed to -D a privileged port, so I enabled root login thru SSH temporarily
[18:48] <lordzos> I tried logging in a few times, without success
[18:48] <lordzos> then, dumbly, I logged out of my current SSH session in another window
[18:48] <lordzos> now it's not letting me get back in
[18:48] <lordzos> any ideas?
[18:49] <lordzos> My original keypair was working correctly
[18:49] <lordzos> I'd also set it up to temporarily accept password and challenge response authentication
[18:49] <lordzos> it connects - and prompts me for my password
[18:50] <lordzos> it then doesn't accept this 3 times
[18:50] <lordzos> then it switches from interactive to password mode
[18:50] <lordzos> and asks me again 3 more times
[18:50] <lordzos> it doesn't accept my proper password however
[18:50] <lordzos> and it's not picking up on the keypair at all
[18:51] <lordzos> I've been watching the SSH session using the -vvv param
[18:51] <lordzos> this made me think that it's maybe blocking my IP server-side
[18:51] <lordzos> is this a permanent block, assuming default config?
[18:51] <lordzos> or is it only for an hour or so?
[18:52] <lordzos> I've tried relogging in, after more than 30 minutes ... it's still not allowing me access
[18:52] <lordzos> thanks in advance for your help here ...
[19:17] <whabo> i need help please .. how to you scan for existing wireless networks around you .. instead of typing everything manually??? thank you
[19:20] <whabo>  i need help please .. how to you scan for existing wireless networks around you .. instead of typing everything manually??? thank you ( in xubuntu) because i cant seem to find my network) can anyone shed some light?
[19:23] <whabo> !wireless
[19:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[19:38] <whabo> help anyone pleaaseeee
[19:38] <whabo> HELPPP
[19:38] <whabo> is there anyone here???
[19:42] <nikolam> zes
[19:42] <nikolam> yes
[19:42] <nikolam> But i dont have a clue about wireless
[19:42] <nikolam> anyway, i have xfce plugin for xfce panel, called wavelan
[19:43] <nikolam> Wavelan should be something zou are looking for
[19:57] <whabo> oh thx
[20:04] <nikolam> whabo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_tools_for_Linux
[20:24] <angelus_> hi  all
[20:24] <angelus_> i'm using xubuntu and i rebuilt the alsa drivers to get sound working on my machine
[20:25] <angelus_> now although i can watch dvds and listen to music on my machine, there is no system sound notifications
[20:25] <angelus_> anyone have any idae where i should start looking?
[21:30] <_charlie> I am back
[21:32] <sigve> Hi, does anyone here have any experience with rdesktop?
[21:32] <sigve> more specifically: getting sound to transfer from the server to the client
[21:35] <siggjen> sound workd in rdesktop
[21:35] <vrkhans> can any one know how i can automaticall mount my external drive
[21:36] <sigve> siggjen: what setup did you use?
[21:36] <siggjen> i jsut use tsclient
[21:37] <sigve> what OS are you running on the server?
[21:38] <siggjen> XP SP2
[21:41] <sigve> I'm running Vista, maybe thats the problem
[21:41] <sigve> I tried tsclient, to no avail
[21:42] <siggjen> the sound mixer is available?
[21:43] <sigve> yeah, it shows up with "rdp transport device" or something instead of the regular audio devices
[21:44] <siggjen> i had some problem with sound mixer being busy because of another program used it
[21:45] <sigve> like?
[21:45] <siggjen> firefox, amarok etc
[21:46] <siggjen> depends if you got hw or sw mixer
[21:46] <sigve> sw
[21:46] <sigve> I'll try to close as many programs as possible and try again
[21:48] <siggjen> my fix was to buy an usb soundcard d:
[21:49] <sigve> crap, that costs money ^^
[21:51] <siggjen> and give nice sound quality
[21:51] <sigve> I might have an old pci-card about
[21:51] <sigve> *checks*
[21:52] <siggjen> sb live or such have hw mixer
[21:58] <sigve> sweet, i just found an sb live in an old pc in the basement :D
[22:36] <speaker219> Does anyone know how to make the fonts in firefox look better in xfce?
[22:37] <speaker219> They look very....bad.
[22:37] <speaker219> It almost seems as if the fonts aren't being smoothed...
[23:18] <_Oz_> Greetings, Xubuntu friends!
[23:19] <_Oz_> I have the tiny font problem in Xubuntu.  The system loads and the font sizes are so ridiculously tiny I can't even read them to open a terminal window.  (The text in the terminal window is tiny too.)  How can I boot so that the GUI doesn't load, and I can edit some conf files so that I can fix this problem?  I have GRUB.  Thanks.
[23:33] <sigve> siggjen:
[23:34] <sigve> I finally got the sb live card working, but sound in rdesktop still doesnt work
[23:34] <sigve> any ideas?
[23:37] <_Oz_> Greetings, Xubuntu friends!
[23:37] <_Oz_> I have the tiny font problem in Xubuntu.  The system loads and the font sizes are so ridiculously tiny I can't even read them to open a terminal window.  (The text in the terminal window is tiny too.)  How can I boot so that the GUI doesn't load, and I can edit some conf files so that I can fix this problem?  I have GRUB.  Thanks.
[23:38] <LeAstrale> hi ppl im back :)
[23:42] <_Oz_> Greetings, Xubuntu friends!
[23:42] <_Oz_> I have the tiny font problem in Xubuntu.  The system loads and the font sizes are so ridiculously tiny I can't even read them to open a terminal window.  (The text in the terminal window is tiny too.)  How can I boot so that the GUI doesn't load, and I can edit some conf files so that I can fix this problem?  I have GRUB.  Thanks.
[23:43] <LeAstrale> _Oz_: just boot into the rescue system from you're Grub menu ?
[23:47] <_Oz_> thanks
[23:47] <LeAstrale> yw _Oz_


[00:00] <Riddell> calligra in beta ppa needs testing
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> also in 1.2.3, but the tech board seems to have ignored my micro release exception request
[00:00] <Darkwing> Any headway for KMail?
[00:01] <Darkwing> I've switched back to T-Bird
[00:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: did you just post to the mailing list?  for the kubuntu lts issue we had to add it to the agenda ourselves
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> oh, didn't know that
[00:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes it's not what they document but it seems they don't have a habit of making an agenda
[00:02] <Riddell> Darkwing: headway how?
[00:02] <Darkwing> It wont update and just sits there with loading... instead of my messages.
[00:02] <Darkwing> It's gone from pesky to totally unusable.
[00:04] <Riddell> dunno then, it works for my simple test cases but I don't use it heavy
[00:04] <Darkwing> Yeah, it seems to hate me after 10K emails or so
[00:04] <ScottK> Riddell and JontheEchidna: Or add it to the agenda yourself, but then you have to show up at the meeting.
[00:04] <ScottK> The only reason Kubuntu LTS got on the agenda was I added it.
[00:19] <BarkingFish> holy cow, Riddell!  That's one heck of a buildlog, and I certainly didn't see any of those errors during the i386 build - I got the typedef warnings, but no actual errors
[00:30] <Riddell> BarkingFish: can you put it into your PPA, if it works there I'll probably build it for !arm
[00:31] <BarkingFish> sure, probably won't be tonight, I'm about to pack my stuff up and get off to bed. I'll do it first thing in the morning :)
[00:38] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/calligra-2.3.86
[03:48] <yofel> Riddell: I think we can close my graph work item, now that I made the 4.8 one SVG, you can search it, which makes it  ~ok
[03:56] <apachelogger> oh kay
[03:56] <apachelogger> yofel: y u no sleep?
[03:56] <yofel> I just woke up, good morning ;)
[03:57] <apachelogger> GOOD MORNING DEAR YOFEL!
[03:57] <apachelogger> there, now you are awake for sure
[03:57] <apachelogger> woohoo
[03:58] <yofel> :D
[03:58] <apachelogger> now we can play online chess
[08:40] <ronnoc> Riddell: Thanks for packaging Calligra B6! FWIW I briefly blogged about it as well: http://www.thebluemint.net/2012/01/calligra-24-beta-6-is-out-kubuntu-gets.html (also downloading it now :)
[09:35] <bambee> qtcreator works randomly again o.O
[09:35]  * bambee probably passed through a space warp... or he's dreaming...
[15:35] <dholbach> hiya
[15:36] <dholbach> I'm organising Ubuntu Developer Week right now - is anyone interested in doing anything Qt-y or KDE-y?
[15:36] <dholbach> this time we have 30m slots, so you either go for 1h sessions or present a shorter topic
[15:36] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable is the preliminary schedule
[15:55] <greyback> dholbach: hey, I'm the guy working on testing and Qt using Testability. I heard you were asking for me?
[15:58] <Riddell> greyback: he was after Ubuntu Developer Week talks
[15:58] <Riddell> greyback: what's Testability?
[15:58] <greyback> Riddell: Yep I gave a short talk at the Ubuntu Dev week (just now actually)
[15:59] <greyback> Riddell: it's an automated UX testing system, specifically for Qt apps
[16:02] <Saviq> greyback, we're at the rally, no u dev week ;)
[16:02] <greyback> Saviq: gah, me and names...
[16:02] <Saviq> greyback, and he wasn't asking for you specifically, I did ;)
[16:02] <Saviq> I just thought it's a great thing to talk about
[16:03] <greyback> Saviq: I do too. I'm here to please :)
[16:03] <Riddell> greyback: oh well a talk about that would be very interesting to me
[16:04] <Riddell> does it compare to Froglogic Squish?
[16:04] <dholbach> hey greyback :)
[16:04] <dholbach> here's what I said earlier:
[16:04] <dholbach>  I'm organising Ubuntu Developer Week right now - is anyone interested in doing anything Qt-y or KDE-y?
[16:04] <dholbach>  this time we have 30m slots, so you either go for 1h sessions or present a shorter topic
[16:04] <dholbach>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable is the preliminary schedule
[16:04] <dholbach> (before you joined the channel)
[16:05] <greyback> Riddell: I considered Squish, and it's very poweful, but Testability is almost equivalent in many ways, and superior in otheres
[16:05] <greyback> dholbach: Hi! Thanks for the catch up
[16:05] <greyback> dholbach: yeah I could take up 30 of those minutes :)
[16:05] <dholbach> greyback, you are a hero
[16:06] <greyback> dholbach: I'll add myself to the page
[16:06] <dholbach> greyback, which date and time would suit you? which title would you like to have?
[16:06] <dholbach> ah ok
[16:06] <dholbach> even better :)
[16:06] <greyback> np
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> anybody seen this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/915235
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> I've not touched muon at all in oneiric since oneiric's release and suddenly yesterday I get a crash with 20 dupes
[16:12] <Riddell> hum, I got an authorisation error when installing from muon
[16:12] <Riddell> which doesn't help answer this question
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> check if /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 is running
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> that issue usually means that it has crashed
[16:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it's not
[16:31] <Riddell> it's not even installed
[16:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: installs fine once polkit-kde installed
[16:33] <Riddell> no log of why it would be uninstalled
[17:03]  * shadeslayer upgrades to precise
[17:28] <yofel> Riddell: usually happens if you install ubuntu and then install kubuntu-desktop, pokit-kde-1 isn't pulled in
[17:28] <yofel> *polkit-kde-1
[17:30] <shadeslayer> yo-fel :D
[17:34] <debfx> maybe we should seed polkit-kde-1 directly
[17:36] <Riddell> yeah probably a good idea
[17:36] <Riddell> or have muon depend on it
[17:41] <yofel> muon has an alternate dep on polkit-kde-1 and the gnome one, so rather add that to kubuntu-desktop
[17:42] <Riddell> ok
[17:42] <yofel> or I think it had it...
[17:42] <yofel> JontheEchidna: ^ ?
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it does
[17:43] <Riddell> apt-cache show muon does not mention it in oneiric
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's because it's libqapt-runtime that has the dependency
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah: http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/kde/libqapt-runtime
[17:50] <Riddell> oh I see, I probably have ubuntu desktop installed on here and maybe at some point I did an uninstall of qt/kde bits and it didn't get installed back
[17:50] <Riddell> I'll add it to the seed
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> brb
[18:03] <BarkingFish> Riddell: sorry I haven't uploaded the libapogee2 package yet, I mislaid it this morning, couldn't find it, and I've been busy. I'm rebuilding the package now, I'll upload asap
[18:14] <BarkingFish> anyone up for a quick refresher for me?
[18:15] <Riddell> BarkingFish: refresher of what?
[18:15] <BarkingFish> I looked through my course from quintasan, and it's not there - how do I push packages up to my PPA? I've got packages from one before, never sent *to* one though :)
[18:16] <Riddell> BarkingFish: do you have a signed package?
[18:17] <BarkingFish> yes
[18:17] <Riddell> BarkingFish: can you paste the .changes file so I can make sure?  paste.kde.org
[18:18] <BarkingFish> sure. I've not amended anything though, and the last signature on it was you I think!
[18:18] <BarkingFish> give me a sec
[18:20] <BarkingFish> this is the last changes file that was with it - http://paste.kde.org/185678/
[18:20] <BarkingFish> way back to 2009
[18:22] <Riddell> BarkingFish: so you need to add a changelog entry, do a source build and sign it, and upload to your PPA (assuming your PPA is active)
[18:22] <Riddell> if you don't know how to do that I can take you through it (but I'm a bit slow these days)
[18:23] <BarkingFish> I have got a ppa, there's just nothing in it right now :)
[18:23] <BarkingFish> give me a mo, I'll go do the changelog entry and rebuild it, and be back to you in a moment or three
[18:26] <BarkingFish> I have to sign this now, don't I?
[18:27] <Riddell> yes
[18:27] <BarkingFish> i don't know about slow. If I get much slower I'll be moving backwards :P
[18:27] <Riddell> debsign<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*sourcea.changes
[18:28] <BarkingFish> ok
[18:30] <yofel> if you run debuild -S it'll automatically asks you to sign it at the end
[18:31] <Riddell> BarkingFish: I'm away from my computer for a bit, if you need any questions answered just text me I'm not far (jriddell.org/contact.html)
[18:31] <BarkingFish> it's ok Riddell - I can bug someone else till you get back :)
[18:31]  * yofel feels like he's out of glass
[18:31] <yofel> transparent existence
[18:32] <yofel> :P
[18:32] <BarkingFish> yofel: I'm rebuilding the source now, i think.
[18:32] <BarkingFish> I'm so lost since I clouted my head I couldn't find my fanny in daylight with a satnav and a torch...
[18:32] <yofel> debuild -S will build a new source package, if that's what you did
[18:32] <BarkingFish> it's not
[18:32] <yofel> what did you do?
[18:33] <BarkingFish> sudo pbuilder build ../lib*.dsc     from inside the source
[18:33] <yofel> ah no, that builds binaries - we explicitely don't want those
[18:33] <yofel> more like launchpad rejects them
[18:33]  * BarkingFish bangs his head on his desk to see if he can knock any sense back in
[18:34] <BarkingFish> ok, can I ctrl-c this then and get on with the right thing?
[18:34] <yofel> yes, pbuilder is for building local binaries - meaning making sure it will build in the PPA
[18:34] <BarkingFish> so I just run debuild -S from where - inside the source folder?
[18:34] <yofel> right
[18:34] <BarkingFish> ok
[18:35] <yofel> that'll make a new .dsc and .changes and ask you to sign them
[18:36] <BarkingFish> well this is fun
[18:37] <BarkingFish> i better go back a step - what's the doodad for making an entry in the changelog semi-automatically?
[18:37] <yofel> dch -i
[18:37] <BarkingFish> I tried debuild -S but it's telling me that it can't find my secret key :P
[18:37] <yofel> and fix the version to what you want
[18:37] <BarkingFish> ok
[18:38] <yofel> for dch to work properly, you'll need to have this in your .bashrc:
[18:38] <yofel> export DEBFULLNAME='Philip Muškovac'
[18:38] <yofel> export<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:39] <yofel> make sure those match with whatever you entered in your gpg key
[18:43] <BarkingFish> ah fgs.
[18:44] <BarkingFish> I've got that in my .bashrc - but debsign is refusing to sign, it still says it can't find my secret key
[18:44] <yofel> you do see your key with gpg --list-keys ?
[18:45] <BarkingFish> yep.  I may be doing it wrong though.
[18:45] <BarkingFish> My key shows me as Thorsteinn A Malmjursson (BarkingFish) <email here>
[18:45] <yofel> ah, then your DEBFULLNAME needs to be: "Thorsteinn A Malmjursson (BarkingFish)"
[18:45] <BarkingFish> The changes in the log only show My first name, middle initial and last name.  Does the (BarkingFish) need to be there too?
[18:45] <BarkingFish> You're psychic
[18:46] <yofel> it has to be there - for some reason
[18:46] <debfx> you can select your key with DEBSIGN_KEYID="0x<ID>" in ~/.devscripts
[18:47] <yofel> hm, true
[18:49] <BarkingFish> yay!
[18:49] <BarkingFish> done
[18:49] <BarkingFish> now I can go onto the next step... I just have to remember what it was :)
[18:50] <yofel> dput ppa:... whatever.changes
[18:50] <BarkingFish> I also have to put the packages up there as well, john wanted them
[18:52] <shadeslayer> anything that needs doing?
[18:54] <BarkingFish> yofel: So when it comes to the ppa, what is the full address of the ppa I need to put the packages and the .changes into?
[18:55] <yofel> ppa:<userid>/<ppaname>
[18:55] <BarkingFish> nvm, just found the ppa and it tells me :)
[18:55] <BarkingFish> https://launchpad.net/~lightningstrike35/+archive/ppa
[18:55] <BarkingFish> the instructions for sticking stuff into it are there already :)
[18:55] <shadeslayer> Any ETA for Qt 4.8?
[18:57] <yofel> iirc that's in some PPA
[18:58] <shadeslayer> Oh, where? I can try and package qt-at-spi then
[18:59] <yofel> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/~fboudra/+archive/qt/+packages
[18:59] <yofel> but that seems to already be there too ^^
[18:59] <BarkingFish> yofel: while these packages rebuild, I'm gonna put my dinner on to cook, and then get them rammed up onto the ppa for Riddell. I'll be back in about 10 minutes or so
[18:59] <yofel> k
[18:59] <BarkingFish> thx
[18:59] <shadeslayer> Derp, someone already packaged it
[19:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Plenty to do: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html
[19:09] <shadeslayer> okay
[19:16] <shadeslayer> afiestas: poke
[19:16] <BarkingFish> aw this is getting right on my whotsits now.
[19:18] <BarkingFish> right. I signed the changelog, signed the changes, everything I'm supposed to do I've done, yofel - and what do I get? I get told I'm supposed to put the .sig or .asc file as the first file on the command line.
[19:18] <BarkingFish> I am gonna scream in a minute :(
[19:19] <yofel> who tells you that?
[19:19] <BarkingFish> the command line
[19:19] <yofel> which command?
[19:20] <BarkingFish> dput ppa:lightningstrike35/ppa blahetc.source.changes
[19:20] <BarkingFish> I get this back: "Please remember that the signature file (.sig or .asc) should be the first file given on the command line"
[19:20] <yofel> you did do: dch -> debuild -S -> dput?
[19:21] <BarkingFish> yup
[19:21] <yofel> ...
[19:26]  * BarkingFish is a sad panda. goes to have dinner and sit in the naughty corner.
[19:26] <BarkingFish> See you guys in a bit
[19:31] <afiestas> shadeslayer: pong
[19:31] <shadeslayer> afiestas: Could you point me to your bluetooth keyboard app?
[19:31] <shadeslayer> I couldn't find it ...
[19:31] <afiestas> bluedevil?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> Uhh ... yeah, the blue prints have a task that says that your keyboard app needs packaging
[19:32] <shadeslayer> "[kubuntu-members] package afiestas' first boot bluetooth keyboard app and integrate with live CD: TODO"
[19:32] <afiestas> aah !
[19:32] <afiestas> but that's for the installer !
[19:32] <afiestas> i don't have it here but I can send it to you tomorrow
[19:32] <afiestas> ups not tomorrow, next Monday
[19:33] <shadeslayer> Sure no problem
[19:33] <shadeslayer> We also need to ship some sane keyboard bindings for Mac users @_@
[19:34] <afiestas> bindings? for mac?
[19:34] <afiestas> shorcuts?
[19:34] <shadeslayer> afiestas: yep, like Alt+F2 is really difficult seeing how you have to use Fn to enable F2
[19:34] <shadeslayer> So it becomes something like : Alt + fn + F2
[19:35] <shadeslayer> But then the same key is used for brightness controll without F2
[19:35] <shadeslayer> *control
[19:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so that thing of afiestas' needs packaging and somehow integrating with the installer, I guess put it in the right seed and make sure it has an autostart
[19:41] <shadeslayer> Okay, it's just that I couldn't even find the sources to try it out myself ;)
[19:42] <Riddell> well that's the first task
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/LYGPD.png
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[21:51] <BarkingFish> Hi guys, sorry about walking out earlier.  I was just depressed and a bit pissed at not getting stuff to work.
[21:52] <yofel> np, welcome back
[21:53] <Riddell> no point getting more frustrated
[21:53] <BarkingFish> yeah, I know
[21:53] <BarkingFish> Anyway, I managed to sign the changes, rebuild the package, and I've sent the source.changes to the ppa, or at least, I thought I had. They've not shown up in my ppa.
[21:54] <yofel> did you get a rejection mail?
[21:54] <Riddell> BarkingFish: can you pastebin the .changes file?
[21:55] <BarkingFish> yofel: no, I'll show you what I got
[21:55] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/802295/
[21:55] <BarkingFish> that was the output from the dput command, so according to that, it's gone
[21:55] <BarkingFish> and I'll paste the changes up for you now, Riddell
[21:56] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/802298/
[21:56] <yofel> how long has it been since you uploaded?
[21:57] <BarkingFish> about 5 - 6 minutes
[21:57] <BarkingFish> i have no idea how long it takes
[21:58] <yofel> about 5min usually, it's a cron job IIRC
[21:58] <BarkingFish> does it actually keep the changes file in the ppa, or does the system try to build it, then put the output in your ppa?
[21:59] <yofel> it puts the sources you uploaded in the PPA, then builds it and adds the binaries
[22:00] <BarkingFish> I assume giving your ppa a name doesn't change where you upload to, perchance, does it?
[22:00] <BarkingFish> https://launchpad.net/~lightningstrike35/+archive/ppa  - When i set it up, I was asked to give it a title, so I did.
[22:00] <yofel> that's the display name, doesn't matter
[22:01] <yofel> the relevant name here is 'ppa'
[22:01] <BarkingFish> ok, then I'm stuck. afaict according to paste 802295, it's gone up.
[22:01] <BarkingFish> Where it's gone, however, is a bloody mystery :P
[22:03] <yofel> hm, about now you should either have it show up or get an error mail
[22:04] <BarkingFish> hold on then, i'll check my incoming email
[22:05] <BarkingFish> oh bugger
[22:05] <BarkingFish> Rejected
[22:05] <BarkingFish> i put 2 l's at the start of my ppa address :P
[22:06] <yofel> at least you know it arrived ;P
[22:07] <BarkingFish> yep, it's now been sent to the right ppa, i had to force it though, cause i got told it'd already been uploaded :)
[22:07] <Riddell> rm *upload
[22:07] <Riddell> will sort hat
[22:07] <Riddell> it makes a .upload file to record what you have uploaded
[22:07] <Riddell> so just remove it if you need to upload again
[22:08] <BarkingFish> ah, ok.  Thanks. All i did was put it through again but with dput -f before the ppa address
[22:10] <BarkingFish> woohoo!
[22:11] <BarkingFish> [PPA lightningstrike35] [ubuntu/precise] libapogee2 2.2-0ubuntu2 (Accepted)
[22:11]  * BarkingFish puts on his best irish accent and dances a jig around his office
[22:17] <yofel> BarkingFish: want some easy earned karma?
[22:18] <BarkingFish> I'd love some. Mine has been depleting slowly for months
[22:18] <BarkingFish> :P
[22:18] <yofel> digikam needs a rebuilt in precise (bug 913038)
[22:19] <BarkingFish> ok, lemme read said bug
[22:19] <yofel> add a changelog with "No change rebuild against new libmarblewidget LP: #913038"
[22:19] <yofel> make a debdiff (I'll tell you how)
[22:19] <yofel> and get Riddell to upload that
[22:20] <BarkingFish> er, ok.
[22:20] <BarkingFish> lemme pull the source
[22:22] <Riddell> you can also give me the debdiff to review and .dsc and .changes files to sign then you can upload
[22:26] <BarkingFish> well I can't rebuild it, yet - I got some errors which I don't quite understand, I'll paste them up
[22:26] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/802346/
[22:27] <yofel> you don't have pkg-kde-tools installed
[22:27] <BarkingFish> right - hold on and I'll give it another shot :)
[22:30] <BarkingFish> ok yofel - if you can tell me how to do this debdiff please, I'll get that done too. I've nearly got everything done so I'll have the new dsc in a moment and the .changes file too, and be able to sign them off
[22:31] <yofel> debdiff <old.dsc> <new.dsc> > newversion.debdiff
[22:31] <ScottK> BarkingFish: debdiff is easy: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > somename.diff
[22:32] <BarkingFish> ok, no problem. And then finally, once the changes are done, where do I upload them to? My ppa again, or somewhere else?
[22:32] <yofel> BarkingFish: can you pastebin the debdiff please?
[22:33] <BarkingFish> give me a mo, debuild -S is still going through lintian :P
[22:37] <BarkingFish> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/802362/
[22:37] <yofel> Riddell: ^
[22:37]  * yofel is off to bed - good night
[22:38] <Riddell> ok
[22:38] <BarkingFish> night yofel :)
[22:38] <Riddell> BarkingFish: that's fine, want to pastebin the .dsc and .changes too?
[22:38] <BarkingFish> sure
[22:40] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/802364/ <- dsc    http://paste.ubuntu.com/802365/ <- source.changes
[22:41] <Riddell> lets see
[22:42] <Riddell> BarkingFish: those are signed
[22:43] <Riddell> I need them unsigned so I can sign them
[22:43] <Riddell> debuild -S -us -uc
[22:43] <BarkingFish> ah. So I need to do that again?
[22:44] <Riddell> BarkingFish: yes please
[22:45] <Riddell> normally I'd download, use your debdiff and rebuild but trying this as a new way in the hope it might be less of a burden
[22:46] <BarkingFish> it just seemed a bit odd, I altered the changelog but you need to sign it :)
[22:46] <Riddell> so you can upload it but launchpad knows it's signed by me that it's ok to accept
[22:47] <Riddell> if we get bored of signing it you can apply for kubuntu-dev
[22:47] <Riddell> hmm wonder if that fabo poll got anywhere
[22:47] <BarkingFish> so how does that work?  Do some packages need signing by an authorised person then?
[22:48] <Riddell> all packages needed signing by an ubuntu dev if it's uploaded to ubuntu
[22:48] <Riddell> else anyone could upload and you wouldn't know to trust what you were running
[22:49] <Riddell> uploading to your person ppa needs signed by you, so I can't upload to your ppa
[22:49] <Riddell> personal
[22:51] <BarkingFish> aha
[22:53] <BarkingFish> right, these should be correct now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/802382/ is the dsc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/802384/ is the source.changes  both (god willing) unsigned :)
[22:58] <BarkingFish> Riddell: The other thing you mentioned, about applying for kubuntu-dev - how do I do that and what kind of things do I need to have done before applying?
[23:00] <Riddell> qtwebkit-source finally started building! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages
[23:00] <Riddell> BarkingFish: you need to have very good experience and knowledge of packaging
[23:00] <BarkingFish> well that lets me out :)
[23:01] <BarkingFish> I guess I'll just keep handing them over to you and we go from there
[23:02] <BarkingFish> bear in mind that what I've done tonight is only the 5th package I've ever put together or tested, and actually got done
[23:02] <Riddell> BarkingFish: starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/secret/digi1.asc
[23:02] <Riddell> starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/secret/digi2.asc
[23:02] <Riddell> download those
[23:02] <BarkingFish> I was helping ScottK on the testing for oneiric, but there wasn't a whole lot to do there
[23:02] <Riddell> give them the right names
[23:02] <Riddell> dput ubuntu <.changes file>
[23:03] <Riddell> there's always lots of to but right enough some of it needs you to already have experience
[23:03] <Riddell> just keep doing things and you'll get experienced :)
[23:04] <BarkingFish> so which of those files is which?
[23:04] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/secret/digi1.asc is .changes file
[23:04] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/802384/plain/ .dsc file
[23:04] <Riddell> this may not work
[23:05] <BarkingFish> we can but try
[23:05] <BarkingFish> now where do I upload them to?
[23:05] <Riddell> more reliable if it's on a machine I can ssh into (like an ec2 machine) to use debsign directly which is the command that makes sure you're doing it right
[23:05] <Riddell> ubuntu!
[23:05] <Riddell> dput ubuntu <.changes file>
[23:07] <BarkingFish> ok
[23:07] <BarkingFish> declined
[23:08] <BarkingFish> gpg: Signature made Thu 12 Jan 2012 23:01:44 GMT using DSA key ID DD4D5088
[23:08] <BarkingFish> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[23:08] <BarkingFish> Error verifying signature on /home/thor/digikam_2.4.1-0ubuntu3_source.changes
[23:08] <Riddell> hmm something wrong then
[23:09] <Riddell> BarkingFish: shall we try with an ec2 or shall I just apply the patch and upload?
[23:09] <BarkingFish> just apply the patch and do the upload I think
[23:14] <Riddell> BarkingFish: uploaded!
[23:15] <BarkingFish> excellent.
[23:16] <BarkingFish> just checked my ppa, the file I sent is waiting in there for build, which apparently won't happen for 6 hours!
[23:18] <Riddell> ppas are so slow jus tnow
[23:18] <Riddell> dunno why
[23:19] <BarkingFish> it's got a high-ish build score, i guess there are other packages out there which need doing faster
[23:19] <Riddell> they're just done in upload order for the most part
[23:19] <Riddell> but uploads to ubuntu are more important than ppas
[23:21] <BarkingFish> Oh well, I'll sit on my hands and find out how it goes in about 6 hours then, or most likely when I get up in the morning :)
[23:22] <BarkingFish> anyway, since I'm now at a loose end and have about 50 minutes before I depart for bed, is there anything else you need doing which is ok for me to sign off and put in my ppa?
[23:28] <Riddell> BarkingFish: check if we are in sync with debian for strigi
[23:30] <BarkingFish> Ok, how do I do that?
[23:30] <Riddell> packages.debian.org
[23:30] <Riddell> launchpad.net
[23:30] <Riddell> check what we have, check what they have
[23:30] <BarkingFish> ok
[23:33] <BarkingFish> from what I can gather, it looks like they're a version behind us
[23:33] <BarkingFish> They have 0.7.6-2 in testing at the moment, we have that stable from Oneiric onwards
[23:34] <BarkingFish> ok, discount that. Sorry - i was reading it wrongly. We're potentially a version *behind*, not ahead
[23:35] <BarkingFish> We have 0.7.6-2 in stable from Oneiric, and the same in Precise - they're on 0.7.7-1 in testing if I'm reading this right
[23:36] <Riddell> it's precise we care about
[23:36] <Riddell> so we want to sync that new version
[23:36] <Riddell> please file a sync bug request
[23:36] <Riddell> subscribe ubuntu-archive I think
[23:36] <Riddell> and ping here with the number
[23:41] <BarkingFish> ok
[23:44] <BarkingFish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/strigi/+bug/915699
[23:44] <BarkingFish> no idea what I should have put in it, so i've put what I thought I should have
[23:44] <BarkingFish> I'll subscribe to the ubuntu-archive now
[23:45] <BarkingFish> and I'm subscribed there
[23:47] <Riddell> mailing list?  I don't think that's very interesting, it's all automatic notices i think
[23:48] <BarkingFish> oh giblets. I misunderstood what you posted :P
[23:48] <BarkingFish> I'm so thick I'd blunt a machete
[23:49] <Riddell> I'm asleep now, thanks for helping
[23:49] <BarkingFish> I just went back to do it and you'd already done it :)
[23:49] <BarkingFish> ok Riddell - have a good night


[22:16] <ssd7> Is there a way to get upstart jobs to talk to usplash without using a script section?
[23:10] <mbiebl> ssd7: not that I know of
[23:11] <ssd7> yeah, i've been searching online and it seems to be something that is being worked on
[23:12] <mbiebl> ssd7: but I would find it rather odd, if upstart would talk to usplash directly
[23:12] <mbiebl> maybe usplash could be reworked to simply listen to upstart events (via dbus)
[23:15] <ssd7> it would just be nice to see if things are happening in the order I have set them up to happen


[00:58] <ScottL> new blog post:  http://dullass.blogspot.com/2011/11/uds-p-day-4-and-5-or-efficacy-is-eight.html
[00:58] <ScottL> get's kinda weird, but oh well
[03:57] <len> The Oneiric Ocelot link leads to Precise Pangolin. Is there anything on there worthtesting yet?
[03:58] <len> Should I download it? The mailing list seems to say there are some uninstallable things on it, but are there other things that need testing?
[03:59] <holstein> len: hey
[03:59] <holstein> im looking at dual head
[03:59] <holstein> i was probably just going to install xubuntu for now
[04:00] <len> So I should download install and try dual head? Xubuntu has the same stuff?
[04:01] <len> I can test dual head on my netbook easy, but the desktop would be much harder.
[04:02] <holstein> len: well, its not so much testing it
[04:02] <holstein> but seeing what works, and how
[04:03] <holstein> im looking at arandr right now
[04:03] <holstein> the included tool does mirroring or cloning
[04:03] <holstein> whatever you call it
[04:03] <holstein> to do spanning, i needed another tool
[04:03] <holstein> tried grandr
[04:05] <len> So hardware is not the issue so much as software right now.
[04:05] <holstein> eh
[04:05] <holstein> depends
[04:05] <holstein> len: you have anything USB 3?
[04:05] <holstein> that would be nice
[04:05] <holstein> i have firewire
[04:05] <holstein> and some USB gear
[04:06] <holstein> len: we need to see how JACK is working with the -generic kernel for folks
[04:06] <len> I have mostly old stuff and cheaper stuff. I have a family to feed
[04:06] <holstein> and different hardware cases
[04:06] <holstein> len: thats fine
[04:06] <holstein> even if its old internals
[04:06] <holstein> thats still a test case
[04:06] <holstein> len: welcome, by the way :)
[04:06] <holstein> \o/
[04:06] <len> I have a d66
[04:07] <len> Thanks
[04:07] <holstein> are you from the mailing list?
[04:07] <len> Ja
[04:08] <holstein> len: COOL
[04:08] <holstein> let me re-read your email
[04:08] <holstein> ive been meaning to reply to that
[04:09] <holstein> len: awesome
[04:09] <holstein> i was going to go for http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/
[04:09] <holstein> as soon as i have a minute
[04:09] <holstein> len: not on anything mission critical of course
[04:09] <len> How is that the same/different from US?
[04:09] <holstein> really, just installing that and some studio stuff, and just trying things right now
[04:10] <holstein> len: we are using XFCE now
[04:10] <holstein> you can try our dailies... not sure
[04:10] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/current/
[04:10] <len> So US is some extra pkgs on top? or are there other things
[04:11] <holstein> there will be other things for sure
[04:11] <len> I think I will try downloading it and see.
[04:11] <holstein> but, not too different from xubuntu really
[04:11] <holstein> its all the same repos anyways
[04:11] <holstein> its all just buntu :)
[04:12] <len> Not unity though
[04:12] <holstein> well, unity is in the repos
[04:12] <holstein> so, i you install ubuntustudio, and want it, you can have it
[04:12] <holstein> same for all the derivitives
[04:12] <holstein> we all use the same repositories
[04:12] <len> No thanks... it messes to much with other sessions.
[04:13] <len> I had it and saved my directory and wiped my system to get rid of it
[04:13] <holstein> hehe
[04:13] <holstein> im not a fan either
[04:13] <len> My netbook is now xubutu 11.10
[04:13] <holstein> im enjoing XFCE
[04:14] <holstein> ive been in it for about a week now
[04:14] <holstein> full time
[04:14] <holstein> on my netbook
[04:14] <holstein> same as you... 11.10
[04:14] <holstein> otherwise, i have 10.04 on everything else
[04:14] <len> I think I have US 11.04 on my desktop
[04:15] <holstein> len: you using the stock generic kernel?
[04:15] <len> No, I put in the lowlat.
[04:15] <holstein> did you try it against the other one?
[04:16] <holstein> gen vs lowlat?
[04:16] <len> Not any bench mark just seems less trouble
[04:16] <holstein> xrun wise?
[04:16] <holstein> or support for hardware somehow?
[04:17] <len> I am more a stage player, don't do so much recording so not as much real testing as I would like
[04:17] <holstein> len: cool
[04:17] <holstein> what do you play?
[04:17] <len> crashed less.... may have been the version of ardour/jack I was trying ardour 3
[04:18] <len> I am playing bass right now, but I fill what is missing. I also play guitar or drums though drums has been a long time.
[04:19] <len>  Did some Christmas songs (already) over at the hospital with my YF on guitar.
[04:20] <holstein> cool
[04:20]  * holstein plays bass
[04:20] <holstein> upright bass
[04:21] <len> Can't aford onr :-) Im using fretless right now... ripped out the frets and filled them in.. lowered the nut
[04:22] <holstein> nice
[04:22] <holstein> i got a j bass recently and put a warmoth neck on it
[04:22] <holstein> dont like playing electric bass though
[04:22] <holstein> i played a gig on it while my bass was in the shop
[04:22] <holstein> its nice.. but...
[04:23] <len> This was a (badly ) used squire from rentals... Its my test bass. I have an old pre 76 Rick I use too.
[04:24] <holstein> nice
[04:25] <len> I go from chord charts... don't read music fast enough
[04:26] <holstein> eh... im not the quickest sight-reader either
[04:27] <len> Ok downloading the latest US now. I'l play on both my cpmuters withit... don't type so well either.
[04:27] <holstein> len: hehe
[04:27] <holstein> i think you're doing great :)
[04:27] <holstein> programming background too eh?
[04:27] <holstein> thats awesome
[04:28] <len> Its going to take a while... says about 2 hours... I'll be gone by then
[04:28] <holstein> gone?
[04:28] <holstein> from here you mean?
[04:28] <len> It has been a while since I did much programing
[04:28] <len>  gone to bed
[04:28] <holstein> OH
[04:29] <len> I used to run a BBS before Inet
[04:29] <holstein> cool
[04:29] <holstein> i read about that
[04:29] <holstein> thought about setting one up
[04:30] <len> I was alone and worked evening. it was one way i had some social life
[04:45] <len> Programing stand alone stuff is ok.  Redid login to allow setting new users up... grab some info sort of thing. Have done some tcl/tk stuff at work...
[04:45] <holstein> well, im glad you made it here
[04:45] <len> I have not done packaging though
[04:45] <holstein> i was going to follow up with you on the list and invite you here
[04:47] <len> Wish I had more time to spend on it, but testing will probably be most of what I can do
[04:47] <holstein> len: thats great
[04:47] <holstein> sounds like you have a very appropriate batch of hardware
[04:48] <len> Glad to help.
[04:48] <len> I should get going... bye now
[04:48] <holstein> len: o/
[14:21] <scott-work> TheMuso:  didn't you tell me that something funny was going on with the ia32-libs package?
[14:45] <scott-work> TheMuso: nevermind, i got an answer in -motu and have a link to stevel's email about it (but i'll have to digest it later)
[14:46] <astraljava> scott-work: When you mentioned the meetingology usage; last night in the xubuntu-devel meeting, knome really showed the proper way to utilize it's properties.
[14:47] <astraljava> scott-work: The #info command is real efficient in the minutes portion of the log. That way you get a quick glimpse of what the talk was about, without having to browse through the whole file.
[14:48] <astraljava> That bundled together with #action and #agree will give you everything you need, unless you really wanna see everything that was typed.
[14:48] <scott-work> astraljava:  is there a good place to learn the commands, the link i found (or you provided, don't remember) wasn't really thorough
[14:49] <astraljava> scott-work: Maybe there is, but I just copied them to a notes entry, the bot presents them at the start of each meeting.
[14:50] <astraljava> scott-work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot
[14:50] <astraljava> Don't know if that's up-to-date, though.
[14:51] <scott-work> astraljava: thanks!  i put in the last meeting ntoes that i would chair the next meeting
[14:52] <scott-work> but perhaps if we switch to a euro friendly time then perhaps i may not be able to if i am unable to attend
[14:52] <holstein> i got a brunch gig :/
[14:52] <holstein> puts me out of the current time
[14:52] <holstein> not every sunday though
[14:53] <holstein> not that we gotta rearrange the meetings for me
[14:53] <holstein> i can catch up
[14:53] <astraljava> Yeah, I have no problems chairing whenever I can attend, which should be almost everytime, though.
[14:54] <astraljava> But do take your turns whenever you feel like it.
[14:54] <astraljava> Someone's gotta have the experience too.
[14:56] <holstein> well, it can be a drag for the chair-person
[14:56] <holstein> i appreciate you covering it for us astraljava :)
[14:57] <scott-work> astraljava: i think we should defintely each get turns just so we don't fall apart when the normal chair isn't there
[14:57] <astraljava> I don't mind. And since Scott's presenting most of the issues, it helps to ease his load a bit.
[14:57] <scott-work> maybe not necessarily switch every time, but we should each get experience
[14:57] <astraljava> Yeah, agreed.
[14:57] <scott-work> astraljava: aye!  it really does
[14:57] <scott-work> ^^^ help to distribute the load
[14:58] <astraljava> You get a bit of time to type what you have to say on the topic, while someone else is typing the mandatory commands etc.
[14:58] <astraljava> I need to look into the voting, next.
[14:59] <astraljava> I see it's quite an efficient way to handle a lot of things, witnessed in the council meetings and such, when they're voting on upload privileges etc.
[17:32] <knome> scott-work, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[17:33] <knome> scott-work, *anybody* can use #info, so you don't have to duplicate stuff
[17:34] <knome> scott-work, our minutes from yesterday are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2011-11-08, if you want to see how that looks (it's slightly modified from the raw output, but i've been talking with AlanBell to push some changes to the bot soon, so we can get a hassle-free copy+paste from the output. i've also filed a bug about the wiki producin margin for list items that have <a>, <em> or <strong>)
[17:35] <scott-work> oh cool
[17:54] <scott-work> working with kate steward (the release manager) on the blueprints
[17:54] <scott-work> here is what i call the ubuntu studio "header" blueprint:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-precise-flavor-ubuntu-studio
[17:54] <scott-work> this allows her to track the progress of our blueprints
[17:55] <scott-work> if you look on the bottom of _that_ blueprint in the 'dependencies' area you will see our blueprints attached, and you can click them to go to their respetive blueprint pages
[17:55] <knome> scott-work, is this something the official flavors are required to do?
[17:55] <knome> scott-work, btw, the LTS cycle length problem is something ubuntu studio and xubuntu have in common
[17:56] <knome> scott-work, xfce can't really be supported for five years, until you have a large amount of people who are willing to push fixes to xfce after the xfce devs have dropped the support
[17:56] <scott-work> knome: not sure exactly, but i think the official derivatives are encouraged to do it
[17:57] <scott-work> knome: oh, and i see what you mean about LTS for this
[17:57] <knome> yeah, we need to look at those requirements and stuff this week, and maybe decide about it on our next meeting
[17:57] <scott-work> hmmm, that is something to ponder i suppose
[17:57] <scott-work> is it possible to upgrade xfce during this time by backporting it?
[17:57] <knome> you should really have a chat with mr_pouit
[17:58] <scott-work> is he going to yell at me about backporting it ;)
[17:58] <knome> he's going to tell what's possible and what not
[17:58] <knome> we don't believe we can do the 5-year LTS cycle.
[17:58] <knome> that's mostly because of xfce
[17:58] <knome> the current cycle is okayish
[18:02] <scott-work> knome: jono asked me directly about supporting ubuntu studio for five years, i said i thought we could do it
[18:02] <scott-work> perhaps i was in error
[18:02] <knome> lol
[18:02] <knome> that was his IIIVÖL plan
[18:02] <scott-work> perhaps we should also talk to kate or steve l about this
[18:02] <knome> you probably can, but xfce is not supported...
[18:02] <scott-work> what is IIIVOL?
[18:02] <knome> IIVÖL == EVIL
[18:03] <scott-work> ahhhhhh...other's probably agree with you on that
[18:03] <scott-work> :P
[18:03] <scott-work> gonig to lunch
[18:03] <knome> bon appeitt
[18:03] <knome> ugh
[18:03] <knome> *appetit
[18:03] <scott-work> oh, knome you might want to talk to kate steward (skaet in irc) about the blueprint stuff
[18:04] <knome> okay
[18:04] <scott-work> i imagine charlie knows about it but i have a vivid imagination :P
[18:04] <knome> hehe
[18:04] <knome> he probably does, we need to sit down for some time together
[18:04] <knome> i'm hoping i can push the work of release manager to somebody else :PP
[18:04] <astraljava> Scott! You did WHAT?!
[18:04] <knome> astraljava, those americans.
[18:05] <astraljava> Bloody h*ll.
[18:05] <knome> i'm sure you can revert that comment
[18:05] <knome> if you promise to blog how awesome jono is everyday for the next 5 years
[18:06] <astraljava> Haha!
[19:56] <scott-work> back
[20:42] <TheMuso> scott-work: Ah yes, multi-arch.
[20:43] <scott-work> TheMuso: another question if you don't mind, how could we implement sane defaults for jack settings?
[20:43] <scott-work> which package do you think we would need to touch for this?
[20:43] <scott-work> -settings?
[20:43] <scott-work> the jackd package?
[20:44] <scott-work> would this be a delta against the debian package?
[20:44] <astraljava> No, let's not touch that, so we can just sync straight from unstable.
[20:50] <scott-work> i would prefer not to create a delta uneccessarily, astraljava , but i would like to solicit input from others to make sure we are doing it the 'right' way
[20:50] <scott-work> not to disrepect you, astraljava
[20:51] <astraljava> No worries. That's just my opinion.
[20:51] <scott-work> although another approach might be to talk to quadrispro and see if they would consider a change as well ;)
[20:52] <astraljava> That sounds good, sure.
[20:53] <scott-work> i met quadrispro at uds, i was surprised to do so
[20:54] <astraljava> Hmm... right. He's active, so I'm not sure whether I was expecting that, but it sure didn't surprise me one bit.
[20:55] <scott-work> i had no idea he would be there, but then i was very ignorant about many topics pertaining to uds as well
[20:56] <astraljava> It's a potpourri for sure.
[20:56] <scott-work> he very passionately told me that we should remove pulse audio because it was adversely impacting jack's latency
[20:56] <scott-work> i explained that it would exceedingly difficult to manage such a feat
[20:57] <scott-work> perhaps requiring shifting to a different desktop environment
[20:57] <astraljava> Yeah, I'm on a fence about that.
[21:00] <astraljava> I mean,  I don't particularly like it, but I would want a better UX for audio, and it's got potential, so I have no beef with it either.
[21:04] <scott-work> i think pulse is improving and the integration is improving greatly
[21:05] <astraljava> Yeah, agreed.
[21:05] <scott-work> i haven't noticed any particular latency problems myself, i can get quite low latencies still
[21:05] <scott-work> and i would suggest that perhaps he was not using the latest versions of certain packages
[21:06] <scott-work> his main complaint was with using ladish
[21:06] <scott-work> i spoke to falktx about this and falktx seemed quite sure that it isn't such a problem as quadrispro described
[21:07] <scott-work> however, i'm still unsure what the best practice to get jack settings implemented
[21:07] <astraljava> Right. It'd be good to get them both in for a chat some time.
[21:07] <scott-work> i was hoping TheMuso might offer a suggestion
[21:07] <scott-work> the only other vector i can think of at the moment woudl be to add it to the -default-settings package in the copy file
[21:08] <scott-work> but i am not a packaging czar ;)
[21:08] <astraljava> That's what I'm thinking.
[22:04] <scott-work> astraljava: i would presume that actual setting end up in the /home directory under .jackd or similar
[22:04] <scott-work> and aren't we to avoid doing funny stuff in the /home directory
[22:04] <scott-work> or what that be the .qjackctl directory actually
[22:05] <scott-work> and doesn't qjackctl actually create that directory when first used
[22:05] <scott-work> wouldn't qjackctl have some standard settings somewhere before it's used?
[22:05] <astraljava> Doesn't jackd store something in /etc?
[22:07] <scott-work> i might check this when i get home then
[22:18] <scott-work> i did a quick search in google and it looks like .jackdrc is creating in the home directory when qjackctl is started
[22:19] <scott-work> i'll verify this tonight on a separate machine
[22:19] <scott-work> maybe i should ask in #ardour as i know las hangs our there
[23:12] <falktx_> hey there
[23:13] <knome> oi
[23:13] <falktx_> nice work on the website
[23:14] <knome> thanks :)
[23:14] <falktx_> I'l glad to see US going along for a rock 12.04 release
[23:14] <falktx_> let's hope things keep moving forwards
[23:14] <knome> yep
[23:14] <knome> same with xubuntu
[23:14]  * falktx_ is preparing the Cadence docs for it's first alpha release
[23:14] <knome> even we are not expecting many "new" things
[23:14] <falktx_> so XFCE is the deal, right?
[23:15] <knome> yeah, that's why it's "X"ubuntu ;)
[23:15] <falktx_> I mean US
[23:15] <knome> heh
[23:15] <falktx_> we're going for XFCE full way
[23:15] <falktx_> right?
[23:15] <knome> yeah
[23:15] <knome> that's a big change for US
[23:17] <falktx_> do we have a list of things needed for *-controls?
[23:17] <knome> i've no idea
[23:17]  * falktx_ is uploading files, so internet is slow
[23:20] <astraljava> Damn, that's a lot of files.
[23:21] <knome> yeah. you're slowing down my internet too.


[08:37] <iomari891> Greetings, I'm still getting "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading" after running "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop". When will I be able to upgrade?
[09:12] <kksilvery> Wait for a day.
[09:12] <kksilvery> I recommend you to install fresh operating system
[09:13] <kksilvery> That's what I do.
[09:13] <kksilvery> Saves times and worries.
 OPQX
 U4RV
 V4RV
 Does touchegg work on kubuntu 22.10
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Can u answer my question (re @IrcsomeBot: <BluesKaj> Hi all)
[12:48] <BluesKaj> @ducktrasher, what's your question?
 Does touchegg work on 22.10 kubuntu
[12:50] <BluesKaj> it probly does, it's in thew repos, but I have no experience with it
[13:25] <NewTo2210> Hi All. After Updating to Kubuntu2210 I get a different login manager (with a onscreen keyboard and - when hiding it - the selection of wayland / x11). How can I change that I get the normal login screen back?
 Will python 3.11 come to kubuntu soon?
[19:21] <genii> If you're in a hurry to use it there's https://launchpad.net/~deadsnakes/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[19:22] <genii> I think only LTS versions there though, so if you're on 22.10 it might not be available
 Im in 22.04 (re @IrcsomeBot: <genii> I think only LTS versions there though, so if you're on 22.10 it might not be available)
[19:28] <mmikowski> Omar: See Anaconda
[19:29] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: Isn't Anaconda only free for personal use? That's the only reason I don't use it.
[19:30] <mmikowski> arraybolt3: Probably. I'd need to look it up.
[19:30] <mmikowski> I know with our ML suite, we point users to their license so they can decide
[19:30] <arraybolt3> Makes sense.
[19:31] <mmikowski> Lots of ML folks are already using Anaconda, so I don't think it makes much difference for them.  https://docs.anaconda.com/
[19:31] <mmikowski> Besides, they're making tons of C4$H these days anyway.
[19:33] <arraybolt3> @Omar: You might also look into pyenv: https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv
 Ok (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Omar: See Anaconda)
[19:33] <mmikowski> https://legal.anaconda.com/policies/en/?name=anaconda-org-terms-and-conditions
[19:35] <mmikowski> Looks like Anaconda distribution is OSS, but they are all lawyered up. https://legal.anaconda.com/policies/en/?name=offering-specific-terms#anaconda-distribution
 Ok thank you all
[19:36] <mmikowski> I'd say its a great start to play, then figure out if you need to pay.
[19:36] <arraybolt3> Agreed.
[19:36] <mmikowski> iSearch for "is anaconda distribution free'
[19:37] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: I think the spot where they mess with the license is where they say that you can't use their repository for commercial use. "Commercial usage of the repository is non-compliant with our Terms of Service . Please contact us to learn more about our commercial offerings." But if it's not being used for commercial use then who cares. I worry about that stuff since I need stuff that's free for commercial use, but most people probably
[19:37] <arraybolt3> don't need to worry about it.


[05:41] <Ursinha> spm, hi :)
[05:41] <spm> Ursinha: heyo!
[05:41] <Ursinha> oops, wrong channel
[05:41] <Ursinha> :P
[06:00] <anacrolix> greets
[06:00] <anacrolix> is this the right place if i'm having trouble with source packages on launchpad?
[06:05] <wgrant> anacrolix: Possibly. Ask the question and you'll be redirected if not.
[06:06] <anacrolix> when i upload my source package, the diff.gz is being modified, or isn't the one i uploaded, after i've removed a gcc (>=4.4) line from the build-depends
[06:06] <wgrant> anacrolix: The .diff.gz isn't being modified. What gives you this idea?
[06:07] <anacrolix> well when i view it from the launchpad site, the gcc 4.4 is back in the build-depends, and the build fails becoz of it
[06:07] <anacrolix> but when i dput it, it didn't contain that
[06:08] <wgrant> anacrolix: You didn't try to dput the same version number twice, did you?
[06:08] <wgrant> Are you sure you're looking at the right version?
[06:08] <wgrant> Launchpad doesn't mutate uploaded files like that, so it's probably something else.
[06:09] <anacrolix> alright i'll triple check (already double checked), perhaps there's some browser caching shenanigans or something
[08:44] <noodles775> Hi poolie, I forgot to mention, I updated the PPA mock with your comments: https://dev.launchpad.net/VersionThreeDotO/Soyuz/PPAUI
[08:46] <noodles775> I've integrated the timeline with the latest-uploads (as otherwise it would have been duplicating some of the info). See what you think anyway.
[08:50] <poolie> k
[08:53] <poolie> noodles775: is there any general policy or plan for when to use portlets in ui 3?
[08:53] <noodles775> poolie: yes, quite specific actually
[08:53]  * noodles775 finds the link
[08:54] <poolie> i'd say basically that looks good
[08:54] <poolie> very good
[08:54] <noodles775> Does the page have actions that create objects or notifications, does
[08:54] <noodles775>       it have a subscriber's list, does it have notification (events) to
[08:54] <noodles775>       show recent activity?
[08:54] <noodles775> From: https://dev.launchpad.net/VersionThreeDotO/UI/Conversion
[08:54] <noodles775> Thanks!
[08:54] <poolie> there's a couple of things i mentioned before, maybe after you mentioned this
[08:54] <poolie> the link text "How do I use ..."
[08:55] <poolie> and that you should be clear, i think, that ppa:cprov only works on karmic
[08:55] <poolie> "27 packages are included in this PPA for your system" -- i don't know what you mean by "for your system"
[08:55] <noodles775> Yes, I forgot to include the note on the image that the text only display that if the user is using karmic.
[08:55] <poolie> why not just delete that, it seems redundant with the list below
[08:56] <noodles775> Hmm... for your Ubuntu 9.10 system.
[08:56] <noodles775> True.
[08:56] <poolie> i really like the notifications
[08:56] <poolie> you may need to modify the changelog entries a bit to make them fit in there.
[08:56] <noodles775> Great! (it was your input that created it ;) ).
[08:57] <noodles775> Yes, perhaps truncated with a link... we'll have to see how it fits.
[08:57] <noodles775> BTW: Thanks for all your input inte LP3-0 generally, looking at the list, you're becoming the main source of input :)
[08:57] <poolie> ok, that conversion page makes sense and it looks like it fits what you're doing
[08:57] <poolie> thanks, i hope it helps
[08:58] <noodles775> It does indeed.
[08:58] <poolie> it looks like it's going well
[08:58] <poolie> so as i mentioned on the other thing
[08:58] <poolie> i'm a bit concerned that two columns plus portlets will be unwieldy on the little netbooks kids use these days ;-)
[08:59] <poolie> your mockup would probably scroll horizontally even on my fairly oldfashioned x series thinkpad
[08:59] <noodles775> I'm not 100%, but I think YUI grid might even collapse the two columns into one when there is not enough space.
[08:59] <poolie> oh, wow
[08:59] <poolie> ok
[08:59] <noodles775> I'm not sure, I just noticed that happening when I was playing with a different mock. We should try to ensure it does something sensible though.
[09:01] <poolie> overly wide layouts was a big annoyance in lp 1.x
[09:01] <poolie> probably before your time here
[09:02]  * wgrant has nearly forgotten was 0.0 was like.
[09:02] <noodles775> yes, I wonder if it's worth a general email to lp-dev on the topic?
[09:03] <noodles775> I'm *guessing* (as it was before my time) that they were table-based columns, which wouldn't fold.
[09:03]  * noodles775 checks yui grid examples.
[09:12] <poolie> good night
[09:12] <lifeless> ciao
[09:12] <noodles775> Night poolie
[12:08] <jcastro> Any admins around? I created lp.net/communitycouncil, but then set the team as maintainer, and I forgot to set the flag to make them use lp as a bug tracker.
[12:08] <jcastro> (we're trying to make it so people can file bugs against the community council
[14:07] <sinzui> jcastro: What will communitycoucil and the tech board be producing? I do not understand why they are projects
[14:16] <stas> hi, what does it mean when my package in ppa says "dependency wait" ?
[14:17] <Daviey> stas: Are you building a version of one of the build deps?
[14:18] <stas> Daviey: I'm trying to build a backport
[14:19] <stas> so this means that the dependency is unavailable and I have to review the deps?
[14:19] <Daviey> stas: possibly/probably
[14:19] <Daviey> stas: Is it a MANUAL wait?
[14:19] <stas> MANUAL means set by me?
[14:20] <Daviey> stas: I'm not exactly sure, but there are two types of "dependency wait", manual and auto
[14:20] <Daviey> manual means it won't resolve, and you need to fire a rebuild
[14:21] <Daviey> auto seems to trigger the rebuild, if the build dep is awaiting building in your PPA
[14:21] <Daviey> I'm not exactly sure, that is just my experience
[14:22] <stas> than it's an auto and I have to review the depends of the package
[14:22] <stas> thank you Daviey
[14:43] <jcastro> sinzui, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingCommunityProblems
[14:45] <sinzui> understood
[14:46] <sinzui> jcastro: Do you need me to change anything on the project as I approve them?
[14:46] <jcastro> well normally I set it right and then hand it off to that team, but I messed it up this time.
[14:47] <sinzui> jcastro: I think we do need an admin or member of the council to set official bugs and answers
[14:48] <jcastro> yeah
[15:10] <geser> a question about LP API: what's the difference between a source_package and a distribution_source_package? looking at +apidoc I couldn't figure out yet, when the former is used and when the later
[15:34] <jml> geser, a source_package could be better named 'distro_series_source_package'
[15:34] <jml> geser, it's specifically tied to a release of a distribution.
[15:35] <jml> geser, whereas a distribution_source_package is more general.
[16:19] <jcastro> mrevell, around?
[16:19] <mrevell> hey jcastro I am
[16:19] <jcastro> hi
[16:19] <jcastro> I need help with a little fire
[16:20] <mrevell> Sure, what's up?
[16:20] <jcastro> I need an admin or someone to set this project to use lp bugs and answers: https://launchpad.net/communitycouncil
[16:21] <mrevell> herb: can you help jcastro? ^^^^^
[16:22] <herb> mrevell: after the meeting? optionally check in with mthaddon who *may* have time now.
[16:22] <herb> though I can't speak for him.
[16:22] <mthaddon> jcastro: I can do that for you
[16:22] <jcastro> mthaddon, that would be great! Thanks mrevell and herb!
[16:23] <mthaddon> jcastro: ok, done
[16:23] <jcastro> thanks!
[16:23] <mrevell> thanks guys :)
[16:28] <sladen> what happened to the Launchpad CSS semi-recently that has made scrolling/pageup/pagedowining impossible
[16:43] <Magilum> I'm trying to build a java package in my PPA; however, the build fails because the build system installs an openjdk JRE and sun-java JDK. Is there any way to fix this? I have java-sdk in my build depends, but I guess that isn't specific enough?
[17:52] <maxb> Magilum: This suggests a problem with your Build-Depends line. Please provide a paste of your Build-Depends(-Indep) and a link to the PPA package buildlog - thanks!
[17:56] <jcfp> is there any way to password protect a ppa?
[17:56] <bigjools> jcfp: yes, private PPAs, but you need to pay
[17:57] <jcfp> bummer
[17:57] <bigjools> unless you mean something else?
[17:58] <maxb> You get what you pay for - if you don't pay in money you pay in making your packages available to anyone who wants them. Seems fair :-)
[17:59] <jcfp> bigjools: tx for your answer
[17:59] <bigjools> np
[17:59] <bigjools> jcfp: out of interest, what are you looking to do?
[18:01] <jcfp> bigjools: using ppa for unreleased alphas of a program I package
[18:01] <Magilum> maxb: Nope, it's a known bug in Soyuz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/243779/+viewstatus
[18:02] <jcfp> although their svn is public, I don't fancy loads of complaints from joe average after installing it the easy way
[18:03] <bigjools> I doubt that would be a problem
[18:03] <jcfp> probably not but my time is already extremely limited
[18:03] <maxb> Magilum: How come all the builds in that PPA are showing as successful, then?
[18:04] <bigjools> well unless you advertise your PPA... and you can mark it as alpha in the description
[18:05] <maxb> Magilum: And that bug report is marked as Invalid
[18:06] <jcfp> bigjools: fair enough, that just gave me some good ideas, tx for your time
[18:06] <Magilum> maxb: Okay, have it your way... my Build-Depends line is "java-sdk,ant" and my build log is here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29963122/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.i2p_0.7.6-rtc1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:07] <maxb> Magilum: sorry, should have asked for a link to the ppa as well
[18:08] <Magilum> maxb: https://launchpad.net/~tedks/+archive/ppa
[18:11] <Magilum> maxb: so what's actually going on, if not the Soyuz bug?
[18:12] <maxb> Well, it's installing packages that satisfy java-sdk. Problem is that there's nothing which ensures that ant will execute with the java install installed to satisfy java-sdk
[18:15] <Magilum> The problem seems to be that it's installing an SDK and a runtime from different java versions.
[18:17] <maxb> Or rather, that it's installing a SDK and two runtimes
[18:19] <Magilum> So, how does my build-dep line cause that?
[18:19] <Magilum> do I have to depend on a specific jdk and jre?
[18:23] <maxb> Well, from intrepid, the thing to do would be to depend on default-jdk
[18:23] <maxb> For hardy, I think you might have to pick one
[18:24] <Magilum> Is that how Debian handles it now too?
[18:27] <maxb> yes
[18:30] <Magilum> alright, I'll try that and see if it works.
[19:09] <EspadaV8> hi, i've just been looking over the lp site and checking out the import options, but noticed it's only possible to import from svn:// or http(s):// for subversion
[19:09] <EspadaV8> however, neither of this options are available for my repo
[19:10] <EspadaV8> the only way is via svn+ssh://
[19:10] <EspadaV8> is it likely that it would be possible to upload an svnadmin dump at some point?
[19:10] <EspadaV8> (or some other way)
[19:11] <beuno> EspadaV8, is this a one-time import you want to do?
[19:12] <EspadaV8> yeah
[19:12] <beuno> EspadaV8, then I think it's better to do a local conversion with bzr-svn
[19:13] <EspadaV8> i've currently got a set up that only i can checkout of, but i want to move it to a hosted site (like lp/sf.net/google code)
[19:13] <beuno> and then just push the branch up to launchpad
[19:13] <beuno> imports are usually better for recuring mirroring
[19:13] <EspadaV8> ah, ok
[19:13] <EspadaV8> yeah, i don't want it mirrored at all
[19:13] <EspadaV8> i'm basically moving everything
[19:14] <EspadaV8> i've not use bzr before, or git, or any dvcs, so i'm just seeing what's available atm
[19:18] <LarstiQ> EspadaV8: you'll want the bzr-svn plugin then
[20:15] <days_of_ruin> I am trying to delete a series  and I get this area:  Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[20:15] <days_of_ruin> Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[20:15] <days_of_ruin> Thanks for your patience.
[20:15] <days_of_ruin> *Error*
[20:44] <Darxus> How do I change which bug a bug is a duplicate of?
[20:45] <LarstiQ> Darxus: undupe it first
[20:46] <Darxus> LarstiQ: Thanks, how?
[20:48] <Darxus> Ahh, think I got it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/50108
[20:48] <Darxus> Er, no.
[20:51] <Darxus> There we go.  I have to click update description, then mark as duplicate, then change what it's a duplicate of.
[20:51] <Darxus> Suboptimal :)
[20:55] <days_of_ruin> Can an admin delete the 0.6 series for rssn?
[21:12] <allenap> abentley: Hi. Can you try branching lp:~jelmer/trac-launchpad-migrator/merge? I get told it's not a branch, yet the web UI thinks it is.
[21:13] <abentley> allenap: The web UI says "This branch has not been pushed to yet".
[21:15] <allenap> abentley: Oh yes! I guess he must have erased it, because there is a merge proposal for it with diff. Thanks, sorry for not spotting that before.
[21:17] <abentley> allenap: It looks like it was created with "bzr send" but something went wrong before the branch got filled out.
[21:19] <allenap> abentley: Okay. I'll ask Jelmer to push them instead.
[21:40] <kfogel> Sanity check: Launchpad bugs can receive bug reports by email from people who are not registered in Launchpad, right?
[21:40]  * kfogel thinks so, but wants to be certain
[21:41] <kfogel> oh, no, apparently not
[21:41] <kfogel>     *
[21:41] <kfogel>       From address: the address from which you send the email must be registered in your Launchpad account.
[21:41] <kfogel> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[21:41] <LarstiQ> isn't that if you want to send commands?
[21:41] <LarstiQ> which you also need to gpg sign?
[21:42] <LarstiQ> but maybe also want to prevent comment spam, hmm
[21:42] <kfogel> LarstiQ: I think it's for all email commands, including "create a new bug"
[21:42] <LarstiQ> kfogel: oh, creating new bugs certainly
[21:42] <kfogel> LarstiQ: hmmm.  I had hoped launchpad.net/test was a test project anyone could use to experiment with these things, but apparently not
[21:43] <LarstiQ> kfogel: you're in the realm I as a user know little about
[21:44] <kfogel> LarstiQ: this GPG-signing, hmm... I mean, to prevent the vast majority of spam, it's sufficient to just insist on a certain command in every mail, like " launchpad-real-human: yes" or whatever
[21:44] <kfogel> GPG is such huge overhead for most people.
[21:45] <LarstiQ> maybe I'm wrong
[21:58] <abentley> kfogel: You can test mail handling on staging.
[22:00] <kfogel> abentley: thanks
[22:00] <kfogel> abentley: gary had implied to me it might not work
[22:00] <abentley> kfogel: All mail on staging gets redirected into one IMAP folder, which you can check.
[22:01] <gary_poster> sorry, I didn't know that kfogel!  cool.
[22:02] <kfogel> abentley: this is about bug manipulation
[22:02] <abentley> kfogel: Yes, that's what I gathered.
[22:43] <AlanBell> evening all. I am trying to mark bug 304702 as also affecting alfresco-community, but it is telling me alfresco-community isn't a project
[22:44] <AlanBell> oh, hang on
[22:44] <AlanBell> user error
[22:45] <AlanBell> sorry. "also affects distribution" for packages
[23:38] <sigmonsays> I'm trying to use txamqp deb repo and can't figure out where to find the GPG key used to sign the packages...
[23:38] <sigmonsays> of course it's not in the docs
[23:38] <sigmonsays> cause who would do that!
[23:46] <spm> sigmonsays: https://edge.launchpad.net/~txamqpteam/+archive/ppa <== where it says "signing key"?
[23:47] <sigmonsays> Hrm. How did u find that :)
[23:48] <spm> sigmonsays: :-) 1. I know from longish experience, and 2. https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/InstallingSoftware
[23:49] <wgrant> Bug #277354 is probably relevant.
[23:57] <sigmonsays> man -- nothing but trouble
[23:57] <sigmonsays> is it me or is the key server dead?  apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys  EF0CEEF2  just hangs....
[23:59] <sigmonsays> woot got it


[02:30] <viewer|14> hi
[02:48] <Testman> Hey i have a question.  Is it removed?
[11:45] <chicco> ciao a tutti
[11:45] <chicco> !list
 Hi, a quick message to give you a kubuntu installation feedback
 I have tryed to install  … Kubuntu 20.10 for a full day
 formating and installing it from the live cd in my kubuntu partition (dual boot with windows)
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 I got grub problem, could not solve the problem with boot-repair
 I the installed kubuntu 20.04 and everything worked from the beginning
[13:04] <BluesKaj> what's the grub problem?
 the error message was that grub-efi-amd64-signed could not be installed
 it is working like a charm now
[13:06] <BluesKaj> ok
 I just wanted to tell you if it could help point other people problem
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Kubuntu/comments/lf1rtc/2010_install_fails_on_grubefiamd64signed_package/
 installed grub-efi-amd64-signed package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[13:09] <BluesKaj> most users use the autoinstall method that auto-creates the efi boot partition
 I had this error
 teh efi boot partition was present
 I could see it using kdepartitionmanager
 very strange, but anyway I can use 20.04 :)
 I forgot one point
 this seems to be due to ssd
 and dual boot reading all the forum that I have read
[13:13] <BluesKaj> dual boot should be solved by updating grub
[14:52] <Guest83190> привет
[14:53] <Guest83190> разница есть минт или кубунту?
[14:55] <Guest83190> вот открываю барузер там авиты всякие и другие казино как так то .  комерция чтоле
[14:55] <Guest83190> я про ярлыкы
[15:07] <NULL-M> <Guest83190 "вот открываю барузер там авиты в"> Дв
[15:08] <NULL-M> <Guest83190 "вот открываю барузер там авиты в"> Да
[15:09] <NULL-M> Извините, я использую Google перевести русский язык
[15:10] <BluesKaj> !ru | NULL-M
[15:12] <NULL-M> Just replying to @guest83190
[15:25] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:40] <ritesh> hi
[16:41] <ritesh> how to kill all applications before logout/shutdown?
[16:42] <ritesh> even after restart all applications are retained from previous state
[21:55] <NULL-M> <ritesh "how to kill all applications bef"> Killall -u username


[14:42] <nothingman> hi, all
[18:58] <fabio_> hi guys. I have just set up a ltsp network. The audio output of my thinclient is OK, but I cant record anything from the mic. How can I enable the mic on the thinclient?
[19:00] <fabio_> i'm using Ubuntu 8.10
[19:02] <fabio_> any idea, anyone?
[19:04] <Ahmuck> fabio_:
[19:04] <fabio_> Ahmuck any idea?
[19:05] <Ahmuck> nope.  i'm sure someone knows however
[19:06] <fabio_> nobody has tried... :(
[19:07] <LaserJock> hi all
[19:10] <Lns> hey LaserJock !
[19:11] <Lns> fabio_: Mics I hear are easy to get set up with localapps.. i wouldn't imagine it's IMPOSSIBLE to get set up w/o it though
[19:11] <Lns> I've personally never done it
[19:11] <Lns> I could be wrong..
[19:12] <fabio_> Lns somebody at #ltsp says that I need local apps enabled too
[19:12] <fabio_> Lns just enabling local_apps should done the job?
[19:12] <Lns> fabio_: i was just reading about it last night, and they gave a webcam example (cheese) of localapps and mentioned microphones.
[19:13] <Lns> fabio_: not sure.. haven't used localapps, all my sites are on 8.04
[19:13] <fabio_> Lns: but my application will run on the server, not on the client
[19:13] <Lns> but i would assume so
[19:13] <fabio_> its a softphone
[19:13] <Lns> fabio_: does it run on a locally installed *buntu setup?
[19:13] <Lns> with mic and all?
[19:14] <fabio_> yes.
[19:14] <fabio_> i just tested the audio rec of gnome
[19:15] <Lns> ok, so i'd have to assume localapps would work. it's def. worth a try
[19:16] <fabio_> I just enabled on lts.conf and rebooted the terminal. nothing new happened
[19:18] <Lns> fabio_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup
[19:22] <fabio_> Lns maybe it will work...
[19:23] <fabio_> Lns but the problem is that the voip client i will run works under java
[19:27] <Lns> fabio_: java browser applet, or standalone?
[19:27] <fabio_> standalone
[19:28] <Lns> fabio_: well i'm not sure, but i'd have to assume you could use that as a local app still
[19:29] <fabio_> i will give a try
[19:29] <fabio_> thanks anyway
[19:29] <Lns> np
[19:29] <Lns> good luck
[19:30] <fabio_> thanks ;)
[19:55] <Ahmuck> salsaga ?
[19:57] <Ahmuck> is there a *deb for salasaga?
[19:58] <LaserJock> I think there is
[22:45] <riverfork> Hi, I'm new to IRC (sorry if I don't know standard protocol). I'm one of the main developers of TuxMath, part of Tux4Kids, which I believe is shipped as part of Edubuntu. I'm interested in a topic that may be more at the distribution/system level. I tried joining the mailing list several days ago, but never got sent the "Confirm your subscription" email (same thing happened with my attempt to join schooltool-dev). Anyone know what is up with that? Or is
[22:45] <riverfork> this the best place for conversations anyway?
[22:47] <loic-m> Should be
[22:48] <LaserJock> riverfork: here is ok
[22:48] <LaserJock> riverfork: but generally the mailing list will get you to a broader audience
[22:49] <LaserJock> riverfork: do you need something in particular?
[22:49] <riverfork> With regards to the mailing list: if it takes human intervention to "approve" my request to join, that would help.
[22:49] <riverfork> However, I can mention the issue here briefly, you can tell me if you want more detail, or to save it for the list.
[22:50] <LaserJock> riverfork: I don't think it should require human intervention to join
[22:50] <LaserJock> riverfork: but go ahead and ask about the issue
[22:51] <riverfork> I've checked my SPAM box (though there could be one I can't access) and I didn't find an intercepted message. Well, anyway...
[22:52] <riverfork> Basically, it concerns infrastructure for free software in schools. Elementary schools in the US often run without "real" user accounts for each kid, instead assigning them a password-less login titled "Student" or something. TuxMath is needing to store per-student data. So we're thinking about how to set up the infrastructure for giving each student a fake user directory, and realizing this is something that might best be common across projects.
[22:53] <LaserJock> right
[22:53] <riverfork> A closely-related issue is expressing relationships between members of a school, say, that these 20 kids are in Mrs. Smith's class. Software should be able to go to Mrs. Smith's directory to read a common config file, and then look for special additional settings in their own home directory.
[22:54] <loic-m> riverfork: like customized lessons, or a list of students?
[22:55] <LaserJock> riverfork: yeah, that's fairly inline with some things we've been thinking about
[22:55] <riverfork> Exactly. Or performance data (teachers want to know how kids are doing on the lessons), or a common high scores table. It's great if all the 2nd graders in Mrs. Smith's class compete against each other for high scores, but terrible if they also have to compete against 5th graders.
[22:56] <LaserJock> what would really be useful is to set up a freedesktop.org taskforce on Education to look at things like configuration files in the classroom setting
[22:58] <riverfork> Do you think there's any interest in a GSoC project to work on this stuff?
[22:59] <LaserJock> well
[22:59] <LaserJock> I think it would be longer term than GSoC
[22:59] <LaserJock> for just Tuxmath perhaps
[23:00] <LaserJock> but coming up with good standards for this seems like it'd be more involved and need to include a number of key players
[23:00] <Ahmuck> thankfully, these issues are being discussed
[23:01] <riverfork> Agreed with the "key players". I've already contacted GCompris (with some discussion there) and kdeedu (silence...). There seems to be at least some level of interest.
[23:02] <riverfork> Another complication, of course, is that we support Mac & Win, and we'd want any solution to work for those platforms too (not that we don't want to encourage the spread of Edubuntu!)
[23:04] <LaserJock> sure
[23:04] <riverfork> Anyone have any particular suggestions about who I should contact?
[23:05] <LaserJock> I wonder if we could come up with some sort of XDG path system
[23:05] <riverfork> I should also give you a link to a post I made (TuxMath, TuxPaint, GCompris, and KDE-Edu) about the topic: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=200902011543.00580.holy%40wustl.edu&forum_name=tuxpaint-devel
[23:06] <LaserJock> hmm
[23:07] <LaserJock> I wonder if we could make a way to define "groups" that would then translate into paths
[23:07] <LaserJock> so for desktop directories XDG has .config/user-dirs.dirs
[23:07] <riverfork> The idea I outlined in that post is a hierarchical directory: school/grade/teacher/student.
[23:07] <LaserJock> that defines several path vaiables
[23:07] <LaserJock> *variables
[23:08] <riverfork> I don't know about XDG yet, I'll read about it.
[23:10] <riverfork> XDG might be a better way to go, but just to flesh out the approach we've been thinking about: the hierarchy lets you "read down" a config file (so you read config in the school directory, then descend and read any grade-specific overrides, etc.)
[23:10] <LaserJock> riverfork: try http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/
[23:11] <LaserJock> well, XDG would just let you have a standard, flexible way to do that
[23:11] <riverfork> For a highscores file, the place you put it in the hierarchy defines the level at which competition occurs. So for example, if Mrs. Smith has a highscores file in her directory, the students in her class compete only with each other. If Mr. Jones and Mrs. Andrews are in the same grade as Mrs. Smith, but don't have a highscores file, then it defaults up to the grade level for them. Etc.
[23:11] <riverfork> Thanks for the link, will check it out.
[23:14] <riverfork> Oh rats, I just found out I have to sign off. What's the protocol for continuing this conversation? Should I just come back sometime over the weekend?  Is there anyone who can figure out what happened to my AWOL application to join? Email is holy AT wustl followed by edu.
[23:20] <loic-m> riverfork: no need to leave your computer open, there's logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/ (but they only appear at the end of each day)
[23:24] <Ahmuck> a user just shut down the server from a user account.  this was unexpected
[23:59] <LaserJock> alright, back


[01:55] <uhhhh> Hey, I'm trying to install lubuntu from a live usb to another. How would I do that?
[01:57] <uhhhh> Not to make another live one, to actually do a full install like on a hard drive
[01:58] <guiverc> uhhhh, I haven't tried to do that in ages, but I used to just select the 'drive' that was the thumb-drive I wanted to use, and install to that (have boot-loader put on that device too)  I've not done it with calamares though (older releases only using ubiquity)
[02:00] <guiverc> uhhhh, I also used to find it easier to do on some boxes over others; same way on a different box seemed to not work as well, so it was trial & error with boxes until I got what I wanted; no difference in what I did, just results seemed to differ by box/firmware
[02:02] <uhhhh> When I get to the menu for selecting a drive I can select my drive, but it forces me to do a manual partitioning. I can only progress further if I mount it to the live drive in the / folder, but it errors out when I actually start the procedure. I did it on another box. I forgot how I did it though. Does it really vary by system for something like this?
[02:03] <guiverc> you haven't given any release details, so I don't know which installer you are using.
[02:04] <guiverc> I would likely have only used manual partitioning
[02:11] <uhhhh> I'm using 19.10 x64
[02:12] <guiverc> uhhhh, Lubuntu 19.10 (and all 19.10) is EOL.  Start with a supported release such as Lubuntu 20.04 LTS
[02:12] <guiverc> uhhhh, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/07/17/ubuntu-19-10-eoan-ermine-end-of-life-reached-on-july-17-2020/
[02:13] <guiverc> https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-19-10-end-of-life-and-current-support-statuses/
[02:16] <uhhhh> just out of curiousity why is that version not on lubuntu.net?
[02:17] <guiverc> lubuntu.net is not a Lubuntu site (not affiliated with us), nor under Ubuntu control, so we cannot control it.
[02:18] <guiverc> If you want to use an official site, ask ubuntu.com (ie. https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours) which will take you to official sites.... don't ask search engines unless you can work out which is official yourself
[02:21] <uhhhh> okay
[03:24] <uhhhh> guiverc: I installed 20.04 and I still have the same issue.
[03:25] <oerheks> just boot in live mode, wipe disk with diskutility, and start the intaller from desktop
[03:29] <uhhhh> Which command should I use for wiping with dskutil? I usually use fdisk or gparted
[03:33] <guiverc> uhhhh, as I said earlier, I've not done it with calamares, but I'm booting up a recent groovy daily, and will have a look to see if it's easy, or at least how I'd expect to do it
[03:35] <uhhhh> guiverc: Okay, thanks. I got it to work somehow on my other pc, but I have no idea why it worked there or what I did.
[03:36] <guiverc> the installer (calamares) is only letting me select internal drive, both for install & for MBR.  I said earlier I'd not done it for years, and then it was ubiquity. I did say earlier I found it easier on some boxes, problematic on other boxes, but I suspect that may no longer apply. An alternative maybe writing with persistence (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/persistent)
[03:38] <guiverc> fyi:  ubiquity was the installer used by releases up to 18.04; though I did it with versions earlier than 18.04
[03:40]  * guiverc booting up my daily on a dell box this time (was hp last time), see if different there..
[03:44] <guiverc> nah the dell will only let me install to floppy drive, or internal hdd (floppy is a different issue).. identical result to hp.  I'd suggest persistence with 20.04; I know that works
[03:47] <uhhhh> guiverc: Yeah, for my particular scenario at least one of my computers really doesn't like usb 3 so that's why I want a full install, but thanks so much for your help. This should be workable. If there's any decently lightweight distros based on ubuntu/debian that would have this feature let me know
[03:49] <guiverc> I would expect it to work with 18.04, as it was ubiquity as I've stated I last did it with, though was an earlier release than 18.04 I last used it with.  No guarantees as I can't recall when I last did it
[03:51] <uhhhh> guiverc: thanks
[05:15] <oh> dv
[08:05] <DeathandGravity> I'm having some issues getting nvidia drivers functional on my 20.04 LTS. On running nvidia-settings I'm getting error pings that the Driver is not loaded but prime select indicates Nvidia is loaded and I seem to have the full dependancies requisit for 440.
[08:05] <DeathandGravity> I'm also getting this as output when I run nvidia-settings :
[08:05] <DeathandGravity> (nvidia-settings:1791): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 01:18:05.602: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[08:05] <DeathandGravity> Anyone able to assist?
[09:17] <DeathandGravity> Resolved by purging everything related to nvidia and reinstalling drivers.
[14:12] <Djarum-Super> is it 18.04 LTS ?
 there is new one for LTS
 if you use lubuntu.net it s not right adress
 use lubuntu.me which is right one