[08:48] <ubotu> NoUse: i forgot ok this room
[08:48] <Nalioth> brownie17: none at all
[08:48] <NoUse> !tell pundai about wifi
[08:48] <robhu> sf/quit
[08:48] <brownie17> nalioth: i'll ask someone else
[08:49] <bob2> ask amaranth
[08:49] <bob2> he wrote it
[08:49] <brownie17> seveas: i installed smeg through the install script from their website, then when i went to open it, it showed the "starting smeg" bar in the panel, but it never opened smeg
[08:50] <geeksauce> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1812
[08:50] <rob^> brownie17, why did you do that?
[08:51] <geeksauce> brb
[08:51] <brownie17> rob^, do what? use the install script? becasue i got an error when i tried to use synaptic, no-one knew how to fix
[08:51] <apokryphos> geeksauce: that's the end of the error message? Can you clarify that hal.pc is in /usr/lib/pkgconfig?
[08:51] <rob^> what was the error?
[08:52] <brownie17> rob^, someything about pythonxdg being 0.9< instead of 0.1-4 or something
[08:53] <brownie17> rob^ i can probably find the error again if you think you might be able to fix it
[08:53] <Nalioth> geeksauce: install "gnome-devel"
[08:53] <brownie17> rob^ in synaptic it says that my smeg package is broken
[08:54] <Determinist> how do i close a window in irssi?
[08:54] <Determinist> this client can drive me mad sometimes
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> - /window close
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> i think
[08:54] <rob^> brownie17, have you added any repos to your sources.list?
[08:54] <geeksauce> apokryphos: aha! hal.pc isn't in there
[08:54] <Nalioth> Determinist: channel or pm?
[08:54] <bob2> it's always /window close
[08:54] <brownie17> rob^ this is error: "  Depends: python-xdg (>=0.14) but 0.9-1 is to be installed"
[08:54] <Determinist> guess i just found out
[08:54] <apokryphos> geeksauce: ok, one sec.
[08:54] <bob2> brownie17: yay backports
[08:55] <Nalioth> Determinist: channels, you /part and PMs you /wc (window close)
[08:55] <rob^> bob2, thats what I was getting at..
[08:55] <brownie17> rob^, i think i have added them alll. i don't know, people are alwasy telling me to do that, and i think i have
[08:55] <apokryphos> geeksauce: install libhal-dev
[08:55] <Determinist> Nalioth: thanks, just figured that out
[08:55] <brownie17> bob2: what is backports?
[08:55] <bob2> brownie17: look in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:55] <rob^> !backports
[08:55] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[08:55] <rob^> hmm
[08:55] <brownie17> rob^: how can i tell you if i have installed repositories
[08:55] <bob2> QA is something that happens to other people, it seems
[08:55] <carthik> brownie17, by looking at the source.list files?
[08:55] <alienacion> hi all
[08:56] <alienacion> can you help me???
[08:56] <carthik> no one will help alienacion - shhh!
[08:56] <Determinist> would it be very wrong for me to grab a big heavy metallic object and beat to death the buncha construction workers giving me a headache from the floor upstairs???
[08:56] <aftertaf> or looking in synaptic (same thing)
[08:56] <aftertaf> alienacion:  what is your current woe?? :)
[08:56] <alienacion> i can't understand why cin and cout don't work
[08:56] <geeksauce> apokryphos:  "install- too few arguements"
[08:56] <carthik> alienacion, welcome, i was kidding... whats it about>?
[08:56] <brownie17> rob^: bob2: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1813
[08:56] <bob2> alienacion: you need to ask a question first...
[08:56] <LaserLine> Guys, What do you think about WinFS ? to what linux FS it resembles the most ?
[08:56] <hermit> time for stupid newbie question. I'm new to debian style systems. I just installed ubuntu and setup my apt sources and did some updating already. I want to upgrade firefox but when I do 'sudo apt-get upgrade firefox' i get: The following packages have been kept back:
[08:56] <hermit>   mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[08:56] <hermit> I get no explanation WHY they were kept back.
[08:56] <hermit> Can someone explain that to me?
[08:56] <aftertaf> LaserLine:  LOOOL urban myth!!
[08:57] <bob2> winfs appears to be a complete waste of time
[08:57] <alienacion> i'm including iostream
[08:57] <apokryphos> geeksauce: use synaptic
[08:57] <bob2> hermit: read the apt-get manpage
[08:57] <alienacion> in my c++ file
[08:57] <carthik> alienacion, apt-get install build-essentials perhaps?
[08:57] <bob2> hermit: 'sudo apt-get upgrade blah' doesn't mean anything
[08:57] <geeksauce> apokryphos: k hang on
[08:57] <alienacion> yes carthik
[08:57] <LaserLine> aftertaf, What do you mean ?
[08:57] <hermit> the apt-get man page has not one occurence of the word 'kept'
[08:57] <bob2> hermit: 'sudo apt-get upgrade' is what you're actually running
[08:57] <rob^> brownie17, remove the last line
[08:57] <bob2> hermit: and you didn't read the bit where it explains what upgrade and dist-upgrade mean
[08:57] <hermit> oh
[08:58] <aftertaf> LaserLine:  WinFS :)   sort of like "IE7 will be fully compliant" ;)
[08:58] <brownie17> rob^: do you want me to comment (#) it?
[08:58] <rob^> yes
[08:58] <carthik> alienacion, if you have installed it, then cross-check with some downloaded source - easiest way out...
[08:58] <bob2> brownie17: how do you not know the word "backport" when you've manually put it in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:58] <rob^> brownie17, then do: sudo apt-get update
[08:58] <rob^> brownie17, then: sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:58] <geeksauce> apokryphos: done
[08:58] <carthik> alienacion, in other words, get a simple C++ source from the web, and try compiling it,a nd using it...
[08:58] <NoUse> LaserLine taking into account how stable windows is and how fast MS SQL server is, the closest resemblance would probably be a hamster in a broken wheel
[08:58] <apokryphos> geeksauce: now, re-do configure
[08:58] <brownie17> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:58] <brownie17> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:59] <LaserLine> LOL !!!
[08:59] <aftertaf> loool NoUse :)
[08:59] <bob2> brownie17: yes, you have apt or dpkg running somewhere else...
[08:59] <LaserLine> NoUse, ROFLTMAO\
[08:59] <brownie17> bob2: i got that sources thing off the internet, somone told me to download it
[08:59] <brownie17> bob@, how do i killall that process?
[08:59] <alienacion> carthik, my prog simply print hello-world on stdout
[08:59] <bob2> brownie17: then don't do things you don't understand just because someone tells you to
[08:59] <bob2> brownie17: you don't killall anything
[08:59] <aftertaf> brownie17:  close synaptic...
[09:00] <brownie17> aftertef: ok
[09:00] <bob2> brownie17: you go and find it and close it properly
[09:00] <LaserLine> Windwos Asta-La-VISTA is kinda taking some *nix capabilities (terminal, permessions etc..)
[09:00] <hermit> So what's the name of the tool I should be using to just upgrade a single package (and any deps it may require updated)?
[09:00] <carthik> alienacion, you are obviously doing soething wrong so get a similar program source from the web and try it out - if it works - compare sources...
[09:00] <NoUse> LaserLine they cancelled the terminal
[09:00] <bob2> hermit: sudo apt-get install blah
[09:00] <aftertaf> !tell hermit about apt
[09:00] <LaserLine> NoUse Cancelled ?
[09:00] <brownie17> E: Malformed line 33 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[09:00] <brownie17> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[09:00] <alienacion> don't work
[09:00] <bob2> brownie17: so, show us line 33
[09:00] <alienacion> i can't compile nothing
[09:00] <NoUse> LaserLine there were already 3 viruses/exploits for it
[09:00] <brownie17> bob2: count!?
[09:00] <aftertaf> LaserLine:  asta la vista??? you mean LongWait?
[09:00] <carthik> alienacion, you cant compile is differnt from cout not working
[09:01] <bob2> brownie17: or use a non-shit text editor, which should show you that line with one command
[09:01] <apokryphos> brownie17: enable line-count in your editor
[09:01] <LaserLine> NoUse I read that, but cannelled ? stupid microsoft...
[09:01] <bob2> brownie17: e.g. vim /etc/apt/sources.list, 33g
[09:01] <alienacion> i can't compile beacuse cout undeclared
[09:01] <ERMAC> Dudes, this is great, a great distro, and a hot babe to advertise ubuntu as well: http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/ubuntu.jpg
[09:01] <carthik> alienacion, if you cant compile, you dont have the tools, fire up synaptic, search and install the pckages you need for ompiling whatever code it is...
[09:01] <LaserLine> aftertaf it's kind of Ironic that they call it vista.... "asta la vista, baby"
[09:01] <bob2> alienacion: your C++ code is broken
[09:01] <bob2> alienacion: go get a modern C++ book
[09:02] <brownie17> bob2: did what you said, it came up with just alot of blank space
[09:02] <geeksauce> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1814
[09:02] <cafuego> or use C
[09:02] <bob2> alienacion: cout doesn't exist in modern C++; use "std::cout" or add a "using namespace std;" to the top of your source
[09:02] <bob2> brownie17: anyway, find line 33 however you know how
[09:02] <LaserLine> PPL, Wish me luck with ReiserFS.... Finished installing Ubuntu for the second time in 15 hours.
[09:03] <brownie17> bob2: found the line!
[09:03] <bob2> I wouldn't be using reiserfs if you're going to say things like that
[09:03] <carthik> alienacion, all would have been easier had you tried what i said - search - download - try to compile...
[09:03] <apokryphos> geeksauce: something's buggy with that pastebin. Hm.
[09:03] <apokryphos> geeksauce: anyhow, if you say you have exported the variable then I'm not sure what's going on... I just configured it here and it's fine.
[09:03] <cafuego> bob2: He claims ext3 has died a few times and reiser is better now.
[09:03] <bob2> haha
[09:03] <Carpe_Libertatem> Are there any podcast managers available for Ubuntu?
[09:03] <Nalioth> apokryphos: gnome-devel didnt help?
[09:03] <brownie17> bob2: line33: deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/
[09:03] <alienacion> ok now it work
[09:03] <bob2> everytime I hear "podcast", I twitch
[09:04] <bob2> brownie17: so delete it
[09:04] <alienacion> thanks to all very much
[09:04] <cafuego> bob2: you just jealous
[09:04] <Carpe_Libertatem> bob2: Good for you. :-P
[09:04] <brownie17> bob2: comment (#) it?
[09:04] <apokryphos> Nalioth: I take it he installed it... so apparently not.
[09:04] <bob2> brownie17: or delete it entirel
[09:04] <cafuego> podcast!
[09:04] <ERMAC> Guys: what are some ways to "edit" ubuntu? Like the coding, etc.
[09:04] <bob2> ERMAC: you need to be a lot more specific
[09:04] <Nalioth> ERMAC: with a fine text editor
[09:04] <bob2> cafuego: I wish I'd thought of putting audio files on the intarweb first
[09:04] <bob2> then I could be famous like a blogger
[09:05] <carthik> Carpe_Libertatem, so what does a podcast manage do - manage mp3s on your hdd?
[09:05] <apokryphos> geeksauce: can you also verify that you have libdbus-glib-1-1-dev?
[09:05] <cafuego> bob2: only if you'd done it using PUSH technology
[09:05] <brownie17> bob2: did sudo apt-get upgrade and it is now saying "reading package lists"
[09:05] <apokryphos> geeksauce: can you also verify that you have libdbus-glib-1-dev
[09:05] <bob2> cafuego: and CHANNELS
[09:05] <bob2> brownie17: ok
[09:05] <cafuego> bob2: The big Leblogski is neet, though.
[09:05] <brownie17> bob2: done, with no errors, now try synaptic for SMEG?
[09:05] <geeksauce> apokryphos: hold
[09:05] <ERMAC> say I just wanna edit some of the stuff in ubuntu, I like to disect programs, kinda like for windows progs, I use Resource Hacker, etc. I like the just edit stuff, wording, etc, and just tweak with code, how would I do that in ubuntu
[09:05] <cafuego> bob2: http://www.jeffbridges.com/latestjul.html
[09:05] <bob2> brownie17: ok
[09:05] <NoUse> Carpe_Libertatem I user Ipodder
[09:06] <aftertaf> vista, longwait, now Blackcomb....
[09:06] <brownie17> bob2: still got exactly the same error
[09:06] <bob2> ERMAC: er, this is a real OS. you just download the actual source of the program.
[09:06] <aftertaf> When will they release Windows Desertstorm?
[09:06] <Carpe_Libertatem> That's not in any of the repos.
[09:06] <NoUse> Carpe_Libertatem there aren't any managers in the repos
[09:06] <Nalioth> ERMAC: and look at it with a text editor of your choice
[09:06] <ERMAC> now say I edit something, how do I make it take affect in ubuntu?
[09:06] <geeksauce> apokryphos: nothing found under libdbus-glib-1-dev in synaptic
[09:06] <apokryphos> ERMAC: save!
[09:07] <bob2> ERMAC: you've never programmed before, have you?
[09:07] <Nalioth> NoUse: Carpe_Libertatem: gtkpod + rhythmbox
[09:07] <ERMAC> yes, but does ubuntu need compiled afterwards, or are things different
[09:07] <ERMAC> every language / OS has it's own thing.
[09:07] <Carpe_Libertatem> RB has podcast support?
[09:07] <bob2> ERMAC: no, I mean programmed
[09:07] <brownie17> bob2: what do i do? that didn't fix anything
[09:07] <NoUse> Nalioth but that doesn't aggrigate my podcast feeds
[09:07] <bob2> ERMAC: things in ubuntu are written in dozens of languages
[09:07] <apokryphos> geeksauce: ah, doesn't seem to exist in hoary. Hm.
[09:07] <bob2> ERMAC: some are compiled, some are interpreted
[09:07] <bob2> brownie17: I don't even know what your original problem was
[09:08] <bob2> cafuego: that's the most obnoxious page I've seen all week
[09:08] <brownie17> bob2: smeg wouldnt install through synaptic, got an error
[09:08] <cafuego> bob2: Oh come on, it's funny :-P
[09:08] <ERMAC> depends, I know C++, C, VB (not really a REAL language), python, and languages like that.
[09:08] <bob2> indeed
[09:08] <brownie17> rob^: that thing in the sources didnt fix anything, it still gives me the same error
[09:08] <bob2> ERMAC: there you go, you've answered your own question
[09:08] <bob2> brownie17: ignore synaptic then
[09:08] <rob^> brownie17, did you fix your sources.list?
[09:09] <geeksauce> apokryphos: how can i check to make sure i have exported the variable properly?
[09:09] <bob2> oh, I should check if agile is at my exchange yet
[09:09] <apokryphos> geeksauce: echo it
[09:09] <brownie17> rob^: yes, and now that apt-get thing works fine, but synpatic still wont install smeg, which was the orgional problem
[09:09] <geeksauce> apokryphos: how?
[09:09] <rob^> brownie17, do: sudo apt-get remove smeg
[09:09] <apokryphos> geeksauce: echo PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[09:09] <rob^> then install it again
[09:09] <brownie17> bob2: what do you mean ignore it? the only other way of installing smeg is do use script, and that didnt work either
[09:10] <brownie17> rob^ i allready used synaptic to remove it
[09:10] <bob2> someone needs to make a "backports" person unfuck that whole thing
[09:10] <bob2> I tried and failed to beat sense into them
[09:10] <rob^> yep
[09:10] <geeksauce> apokryphos:  what goes after PKG_CONFIG_PATH  ?
[09:10] <rob^> they are an official project now
[09:10] <rob^> they should be
[09:10] <LaserLine> If I have a P3-600, Should I install the Ubuntu 686 Kernel ?
[09:10] <brownie17> rob^ so should synpatic install smeg fine now?
[09:10] <cafuego> geeksauce: echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[09:11] <apokryphos> geeksauce: just echo it; the output is what you exported the variable as.
[09:11] <rob^> probably
[09:11] <robert1123> hello all. I am trying to install apache and I need to add my universial repository but how do I do this by command line?
[09:11] <brownie17> rob^ it didnt
[09:11] <cafuego> geeksauce: apokryphos forgou the '$'
[09:11] <apokryphos> geh
[09:11] <bob2> official in name
[09:11] <cafuego> robert1123: 'apache2' is in main, afaik.
[09:11] <rob^> yeah ;P
[09:11] <apokryphos> geeksauce: echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[09:11] <bob2> they still appear to be in their own little world
[09:11] <cafuego> LaserLine: Yes, btw.
[09:11] <brownie17> rob^ you got no more ideas on whats wrong? i found a guide on what was wrong, but that was more fucked up and than this error
[09:12] <rob^> brownie17, just remove it, wait a month for breezy which has it installed by default
[09:12] <LaserLine> cafuego I need to install the headers too, ot just the linux-686 package ?
[09:12] <brownie17> rob^ what is breezy?,
[09:12] <apokryphos> bob2: which backports? The forum or the a.u.c one?
[09:12] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell brownie17 about breezy
[09:12] <rob^> next release of Ubuntu
[09:12] <cafuego> LaserLine: No need for headers unless you're custom compiling stuff.
[09:12] <ERMAC> if you lock ur desktop in live mode, whats the password to unlock?
[09:12] <geeksauce> apokryphos: says "/usr/lib/pgkconfig/
[09:12] <geeksauce> " , so i guess i exported properly
[09:12] <robert1123> cafuego: thanks. but how do I add my universial repository from command line? they only tell you how to do it from gui on the ubuntu site.
[09:12] <bob2> apokryphos: both
[09:13] <bob2> randomly backporting things with no testing is a terrible path
[09:13] <cafuego> robert1123: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, add universe to the end on the line that starts with 'deb'
[09:13] <apokryphos> geeksauce: it's p*kg*config
[09:13] <robert1123> thanks
[09:13] <LaserLine> cafuego... Ok Thanks, BTW - another question, When I mark all upgrades in Synaptic, what to choose "smart" or default ? I usually choose "smart"
[09:13] <apokryphos> sure. Firefox problems again I heard the other day from backports. :/
[09:13] <geeksauce> apokryphos: huh?
[09:14] <cafuego> LaserLine: smart is fine
[09:14] <LaserLine> cafuego thanks.
[09:15] <apokryphos> geeksauce: close that terminal. Open a new one, and do *exactly* this:   export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig/
[09:15] <apokryphos> geeksauce: then cd into the appropriate directory and run the configure
[09:15] <cafuego> whoops libc6 update
[09:15] <Nalioth> brb
[09:17] <geeksauce> apokryphos: what was the prefix?
[09:17] <apokryphos> geeksauce: /usr/local
[09:18] <apokryphos> geeksauce: though you could still get errors; the app requests other things of higher version
[09:19] <geeksauce> apokryphos: so it should be like ./configure -usr/local --enable-ipod
[09:19] <apokryphos> geeksauce: no :).  ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-ipod
[09:24] <geeksauce> apokryphos: yeah, like you said, still dependency errors.  where do i go from here?
[09:26] <Nalioth> geeksauce: squash the dependency errors
[09:27] <dazvid> Hello people
[09:27] <dazvid> :)
[09:27] <Xanthus7> Ok I have sane installed but how do I use it
[09:28] <Xanthus7> what program do I use to scan something with
[09:28] <tritium> hi apokryphos
[09:28] <IceDC571> oh thats why the channel was so dead.. i was in #ubuntu-unregged
[09:28] <dazvid> Yeh, I had the same problem last night
[09:28] <dazvid> lol
[09:28] <apokryphos> geeksauce: you don't really wanna get into dependency hell...
[09:29] <apokryphos> tritium: hola!
[09:29] <dazvid> Can someone please help me grub setup?
[09:29] <bob2> you need to ask a question...
[09:29] <IceDC571> does anyone use ext2 in windows? im wondering how it is because i have an external hd that is ext2 and i want to use it with my ubuntu and windows computers
[09:29] <ColonelKernel> whats up
[09:29] <geeksauce> apokryphos: lol, no but i reallly want my ipod to work in linux
[09:29] <carthik> Xanthus7, you should have a scanner with the drivers setup
[09:29] <apokryphos> geeksauce: isn't there gtkpod or something for gnome?
[09:29] <apokryphos> geeksauce: my amaroK does the business just fine though...
[09:29] <IceDC571> apokryphos, yep.. gtkpod exactly
[09:29] <bob2> IceDC571: you can mount it readonly
[09:29] <ColonelKernel> geeksauce, hell, they have linux for ps2 and dreamcast, why the hell not
[09:30] <geeksauce> hahaha
[09:30] <Xanthus7> I have a visoneer 5800 but it has not linux stuff with it check web site all windows programs
[09:30] <IceDC571> bob2, well i just did a quick read on the new IFS (installable file system) for windows and now you can read and write in windows.. which seems a little messy for me
[09:30] <bob2> I don't know what that means
[09:30] <geeksauce> apokryphos so you're saying amarok works with ipod?
[09:30] <bob2> but I would not trust windows to write to a linux filesystem
[09:30] <bob2> ever
[09:31] <ColonelKernel> bob2, i dont even think thats possible
[09:31] <apokryphos> geeksauce: quite perfectly, yes. Not sure if the version in the repos does... iPod support was added in 1.3
[09:31] <IceDC571> problem is.. windows is stupid and doesnt know what to do with FAT partitions over 36gb
[09:31] <ERMAC> how do you get all this info on your desktop? http://hungsquirrel.org/images/ubuntu.png
[09:31] <IceDC571> so it just pretends there is no hd at all
[09:31] <Nalioth> ColonelKernel: ext2fs makes it possible
[09:31] <geeksauce> apokryphos: heh, will i have to get into dependency hell if i attempt to install 1.3? :)
[09:31] <ColonelKernel> Nalioth, that use to be read only
[09:31] <bob2> you generally don't bother about that "info
[09:31] <apokryphos> geeksauce: all the stuff you will need should be in the repositories, apart from taglib
[09:31] <bob2> since it's useless and comparing ram size is something you stop doing when you hit 14
[09:32] <ColonelKernel> ok thats some NICE art for desktop
[09:32] <Nalioth> apokryphos: taglib isnt in the repos?
[09:32] <geeksauce> apokryphos: aight cool
[09:32] <apokryphos> Nalioth: the one required for 1.3 is not, no.
[09:32] <ColonelKernel> i dig the transparent terminal window
[09:32] <Nalioth> ah
[09:32] <apokryphos> geeksauce: there's debs on the forum for both of those, though
[09:32] <No1Viking> How do I set Joliet filenames when I burn a DVD?
[09:32] <IceDC571> i found this http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html
[09:32] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell geeksauce about amarok1.3
[09:32] <ColonelKernel> No1Viking, select it in your burning program
[09:32] <bob2> No1Viking: man mkisofs, hint: -J
[09:33] <IceDC571> but im like.. writing with windows is now possible? what about the whole chmod deal? damn..
[09:33] <ColonelKernel> IceDC571, thats what im wondering
[09:33] <No1Viking> OK, so what burning program have the joliet option?
[09:33] <IceDC571> on the website it says nothing about permissions on ext2
[09:34] <No1Viking> With a GUI fo course
[09:34] <IceDC571> No1Viking, nerolinux.. heh
[09:34] <ColonelKernel> Ext2fsd, An ext2 filesystem driver for Windows NT/2K/XP. The most recent version has read-write support
[09:34] <ColonelKernel> thats insane
[09:35] <ColonelKernel> if that really works right that means no more vfat share partition
[09:35] <apokryphos> ERMAC: I think that's gkrellm or whatever it is. For good screenshots get a theme manager, like superkaramba.
[09:35] <IceDC571> but how is it all of a sudden now write support? wouldnt it take a while to make it stable?
[09:35] <Xanthus7> I have a visoneer 5800 but it has not linux stuff with it check web site all windows programs
[09:36] <ColonelKernel> as long as im not gaming linux has it all over windows
[09:36] <bob2> IceDC571: not if they just slop the linux ext2 driver into the windows kernel
[09:36] <IceDC571> ohh i see.. so its like emulation of the real thing
[09:36] <ERMAC> i just want like the info on the sides, etc, so I can keep track of stuff
[09:37] <IceDC571> i can see it now, permission errors everywhere in windows
[09:37] <ColonelKernel> bob2, what if they oh so carefully patch it in there gently and seal it up with flowers and goodness?
[09:37] <bob2> doing that would violate the ext2 license, tho
[09:37] <ColonelKernel> :(
[09:38] <lewwy> hi guys
[09:38] <ColonelKernel> slop it is
[09:38] <IceDC571> hmm.. whenever i do cp -rvf * /foo it always hangs on some random file and freezes the copying process
[09:38] <ColonelKernel> which pretty much fits microsoft anyhow
[09:38] <IceDC571> its done this on my other computer too
[09:38] <DewDude> keep ext2 on linux...were it belongs
[09:38] <DewDude> where
[09:38] <lewwy> if i were to download Ubuntu Linux v5.10 Colony 3 for AMD64 ISO would this be like, stable?
[09:38] <ColonelKernel> its too bad theres no counter-strike 2 using the doom3 gameshell
[09:39] <IceDC571> i'm trying to copy all my music to my external hard drive but it keeps freezing after it transfers some amount of files
[09:39] <lewwy> better question, is Ubuntu Linux v5.10 Colony 3 for AMD64 ISO a stable release
[09:39] <ColonelKernel> that kinda hurts my feelings, the last one used the quake2 gameshell
[09:39] <DewDude> i just network drives if they're in a different fs  *coughmusicdriveisntfscough*
[09:39] <ColonelKernel> what the hell
[09:39] <ColonelKernel> 5.10
[09:39] <apokryphos> lewwy: you're better off upgrading to something more late; development changes radically
[09:39] <IceDC571> the latest daily is nice
[09:39] <IceDC571> try it
[09:40] <lewwy> uhh ok apokryphos, could you recommend something for my new amd64 sys ima get?
[09:40] <apokryphos> lewwy: breezy's stability is on-and-off, but it really is getting more stable (noticeably).
[09:40] <Determinist> bob2: you around?
[09:40] <bob2> lewwy: do yo ucare about binary-only software?
[09:40] <bob2> Determinist: briefly
[09:40] <lewwy> what is binary-only software?
[09:40] <IceDC571> lewwy, remember if it hangs on the post-install, you'll have to switch terminals and comment out all sources but cdrom and reboot
[09:40] <apokryphos> lewwy: not compiling everything
[09:40] <bob2> lewwy: windows dlls, windows programs, flash, acrobat...
[09:40] <Determinist> bob2: a question... more a theoretical one tho, since i cant really configure that kind of thing right now
[09:40] <bob2> ubuntu unstable has tended to be more broken than sid, sadly
[09:40] <Determinist> bob2: got 2 computers, 1 with 2 NICs. NIC1 = cable modem
[09:41] <bob2> I used sid for 4 years, and now I'm still running hoary
[09:41] <IceDC571> anyone have an idea why copying to an external hard drive always freezes for me?
[09:41] <lewwy> hmmm, i wouldnt mind compiling everything from source, if i didnt have so many freaking problems with it
[09:41] <Determinist> bob2: NIC2 = crossed cable to computer #2.
[09:41] <Determinist> bob2: how would one be able to make computer #2 access the net through #1?
[09:41] <ColonelKernel> bob2, yes, your help in debian was much appreciated, and it is good to see you in here now.
[09:41] <bob2> lewwy: that's not what I was talking about
[09:41] <lewwy> bob2, ok
[09:41] <DewDude> Determinist, what OS is computer 1?
[09:41] <bob2> lewwy: do you care about things like flash, or acrobat or windows programs?
[09:42] <Determinist> DewDude: both ubuntu hoary
[09:42] <bob2> Determinist: sure
[09:42] <DewDude> oh
[09:42] <DewDude> no idea
[09:42] <lewwy> bob2, uhhh, not really i suppose
[09:42] <geeksauce> apokryphos: ahhhh http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1816
[09:42] <bob2> lewwy: then I'd go with hoary amd64
[09:42] <DewDude> right now i'm going Windows XP wireless -> switch -> iMac
[09:42] <lewwy> bob2, why, whats the difference in breezy?
[09:42] <IceDC571> i think i need to fill up my hd with zeros.. is there a program like boot and nuke for linux?
[09:42] <lewwy> *Mac ftl
[09:42] <bob2> lewwy: it's more broken
[09:42] <bob2> IceDC571: it's called dd
[09:42] <lewwy> kk
[09:42] <lewwy> thanks
[09:42] <DewDude> cuz i don't think i can find a USB wireless adapter that'll work in ubuntu
[09:43] <Determinist> bob2: sure... as in yes it can be done. i'll assume one would need to have a bridge set up between NIC1 which is the modem and NIC2 which is the network consisting of 2 computers.
[09:43] <bob2> IceDC571: and is on your livecd
[09:43] <lewwy> :((((
[09:43] <bob2> DewDude: my netgear ma-111 worked well
[09:43] <IceDC571> omg i just typed it in the terminal in my home directory
[09:43] <DewDude> well
[09:43] <bob2> as well as any usb wireless device is going to wor, I guess
[09:43] <DewDude> i have no need for it
[09:43] <bob2> DewDude: no
[09:43] <bob2> er
[09:43] <IceDC571> and it did something.. ouch
[09:43] <lewwy> hey, is it just me bob2, or is kubuntu more broken than ubuntu
[09:43] <bob2> Determinist: no
[09:43] <CaiN_SA> what version of kde is in breezy ?
[09:43] <bob2> I don't know, I've never used kubuntu
[09:43] <lewwy> touche
[09:43] <bob2> CaiN_SA: packages.ubuntu.com/kde
[09:43] <Determinist> bob2: no ... what?
[09:44] <CaiN_SA> erm not kubuntu hey
[09:44] <bob2> IceDC571: dd does nothing by default
[09:44] <apokryphos> geeksauce: that's weird; it's built on a hoary machine so it shouldn't ask for such dependencies... maybe just force ignore depends.
[09:44] <bob2> Determinist: no need for a bridge
[09:44] <DewDude> kubuntu = ubuntu with kde
[09:44] <apokryphos> CaiN_SA: 3.4.2 currently
[09:44] <DewDude> so..it's the same
[09:44] <Carpe_Libertatem> kde = death!
[09:44] <CaiN_SA> in breezy that added kde into the ubuntu stuff
[09:44] <Determinist> bob2: how then? set up NAT?
[09:44] <CaiN_SA> thx
[09:44] <CaiN_SA> apokryphos,
[09:44] <IceDC571> well it sure is doing something
[09:44] <geeksauce> apokryphos: how?
[09:44] <IceDC571> actually i think it just took away my cursor
[09:44] <DewDude> have fun with iptables
[09:44] <DewDude> hehehe
[09:44] <Determinist> lol
[09:44] <LaserLine> After Installing UBUNTU and updateing the system I get the following error... VFS Error EXT3 Filesystem not found on /dev/hda and the Filesystem is NOT clean ( I have a ReiserFS filesystem) - What's going on ??
[09:45] <Determinist> i dont like iptables :/
[09:45] <apokryphos> geeksauce: man dpkg
[09:45] <IceDC571> ack, i hate reading manuals
[09:45] <bob2> Determinist: yes
[09:45] <apokryphos> geeksauce: use the --force-depends option. Make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed first, though.
[09:45] <Determinist> bob2: how would one go about this? any place you suggest I ask such a question?
[09:45] <bob2> LaserLine: "updateing the system"?
[09:46] <bob2> Determinist: install ipmasq on the cable modem machine
[09:46] <geeksauce> ah, i didn't think about having to have kde installed
[09:46] <Xanthus7> what is the main difference between kbe desktop and gnome desktop
[09:46] <bob2> Determinist: why don't you like iptables?
[09:46] <LaserLine> bob2 Synaptic - Makr all upgrades... chose "smart"
[09:46] <ColonelKernel> when is breezy slated to go stable?
[09:46] <bob2> Xanthus7: one is KDE, one is GNOME
[09:46] <bob2> ColonelKernel: october
[09:46] <apokryphos> geeksauce: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[09:46] <Determinist> bob2: still havent learned to use it... so i'm not liking it, yet :)
[09:46] <ColonelKernel> man
[09:46] <Xanthus7> ok I understand that but is one better than the other
[09:46] <ColonelKernel> not complaining, this is just so nice its going to hurt to upgrade
[09:46] <bob2> Determinist: you don't need to learn iptables, it's a low-level tool.  ipmasq automates basically your whole plan.
[09:47] <bob2> shorewall is another nice frontend
[09:47] <DewDude> Xanthus7, it's a matter of personal preference
[09:47] <bob2> Xanthus7: no, neiter is better than the other
[09:47] <bob2> ColonelKernel: how come?
[09:47] <Xanthus7> I have never used kde always have used gnoe
[09:47] <Carpe_Libertatem> Xanthus7: Sometimes one is better for some, and the other better for others.
[09:47] <LaserLine> Any clue ??
[09:47] <bob2> LaserLine: hoary?
[09:47] <Determinist> bob2: i see. ok, thanks. i suppose i'll have a look at the chains ipmasq creates then to see how it was done. i assume ipmasq is some tool used to manipulate iptables rules, correct?
[09:47] <apokryphos> Xanthus7: it's worth trying out both, of course.
[09:47] <bob2> your questio is lacking large amounts of useful detail
[09:48] <LaserLine> bob2 yes, with ubuntu backports enabled.
[09:48] <Carpe_Libertatem> Xanthus7: There's also fluxbox, openbox, IceWM, enlightenment, nad a bunch of others.
[09:48] <bob2> LaserLine: haha
[09:48] <bob2> LaserLine: ask in the backports forum on www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:48] <bob2> assuming it was actually an error, not a warning
[09:48] <Xanthus7> Thank give me all those choices now in quandry land which one to pick LOL
[09:48] <bob2> Determinist: it does the whole thing for you, yes
[09:48] <Determinist> bob2: thanks.
[09:49] <LaserLine> bob2, "VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem ob dev hda1" -- Is that ok ? sience I have a RaiserFS filesystem ?
[09:49] <bob2> I hear firestarter is good if you like clickiness
[09:49] <carthik> Xanthus - i use enlightenment with gnome - worth trying - if i may say so
[09:50] <bob2> have tou filed a bug?
[09:50] <bob2> LaserLine: is it a warning or an error?
[09:50] <Determinist> bob2: firestarter wont set up forwarding rules tho, just Accept and drop rules
[09:50] <Carpe_Libertatem> Xanthus7: What do you like in a display manager? Do you find problems with GNOME?
[09:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> bob2: me? im still trying to work out what could be causing it
[09:51] <bob2> Determinist: are you sure?
[09:51] <apokryphos> Xanthus7: the two most popular are KDE and GNOME. The other ones are generally more "lightweight" Desktop Environments, but can also be very nice.
[09:51] <Determinist> bob2: quite, unless i've missed a feature or 10... which i dont think since i've played with it quite a bit
[09:51] <bob2> it has a wizard, I hear
[09:51] <apokryphos> Xanthus7: really, only kde and gnome are *properly* supported by [K] ubuntu
[09:52] <omp342> i'm waiting till breezy comes out to install ubuntu, but i'm having second thoughts about waiting so long.. what do you guys think?
[09:52] <Determinist> bob2: yes, but the wizard has afew defaults which do not seem to play along with my currect setup. either way... this is more of a learning how to do it issue than making it work one.
[09:52] <carthik_ina_car> apokryphos, the others are not desktop environments - just window managers
[09:52] <bob2> Determinist: ok
[09:52] <bob2> Determinist: if you intend to fiddle, shorewall is a far better choice
[09:53] <bob2> I've never succeeded in twiddling ipmasq without breaking it completely
[09:53] <Determinist> bob2: will check into that too. thank you.
[09:53] <bob2> omp342: why would you wait?
[09:53] <aftertaf> omp342:  go hoary dude
[09:54] <aftertaf> then enjoy going breezy when it stables
[09:54] <aftertaf> hoary is coool
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> omp342: and its going to be worth the wait :)
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, i agree aftertaf :) but breezy will be better
[09:54] <aftertaf> if you have a before after scenario, you can appreciate more!!!!!
[09:54] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  :)
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[09:54] <Xanthus7> carthik where can you download enlightment and does it work on the current version of gnome
[09:55] <bob2> no
[09:55] <omp342> i guess i'll install ubuntu monday =]
[09:55] <aftertaf> yeah:)
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> woot
[09:56] <aftertaf> [k]
[09:56] <aftertaf> woot? where?
[09:56] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Xanthus7 about enlightenment
[09:56] <aftertaf> who?
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: lol. i thought i was winning against the laptop, but im not :/
[09:57] <LaserLine> bob2 It's the first warning after the Starting Ubuntu line after GRUB.
[09:57] <Xanthus7> I hate this brown desktop them in ubuntu
[09:57] <bob2> Xanthus7: then change it
[09:57] <aftertaf> XandriX:  go kubuntu :)
[09:57] <aftertaf> or change :)
[09:58] <Xanthus7> ok where do I get other themes at
[09:58] <LaserLine> bob2 Any Idea?
[09:58] <bob2> Xanthus7: there are other themes included already
[09:58] <bob2> LaserLine: you didn't really abswer my question
[09:58] <bob2> LaserLine: does it boot fine?
[09:58] <LaserLine> bob2 Yes.
[09:59] <bob2> then ignore it
[09:59] <omp> enlightenment is horrible =o
[09:59] <LaserLine> bob2 Ok...
[09:59] <omp> at least in my opinion
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> enlightnment needs learning
[10:00] <apokryphos> omp: the development version looks pretty flash, but whether it will ever be released you can't help but wonder
[10:01] <scooba_steve> Hey
[10:01] <LaserLine> Does FSCK work with ReiserFS ?
[10:02] <bob2> nope
[10:02] <bob2> yet another reason why reiser is so awesome
[10:02] <geeksauce> apokryphos: i installed kubuntu desktop, then tried ignoring package dependencies on amarok -> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1818
[10:02] <LaserLine> bob2, are you being cynical ?
[10:02] <bob2> I'm being sarcastic
[10:03] <hackeron> what would you say is your favorite bittorrent client and why?
[10:03] <bob2> one of the main reasons sane people don't use reiser is because of it's lack of recovery tools
[10:03] <LaserLine> bob2 Ok, so what tools to check and "fix" the RaiserFS ?
[10:03] <mrimbert> reiserfs ate my research
[10:03] <bob2> there aren't any
[10:04] <omp> how do you peopel like kde more than gnome? :/
[10:04] <LaserLine> bob2 so it doesn't scan itself every 30 bootups ?
[10:04] <bob2> and pickign a non-default filesystem if you don't know how to use it seems fairly suboptimal
[10:04] <bob2> correct
[10:04] <LaserLine> bob2 I think the error might have come, because i wrote 'shutdown -rF now' ?
[10:04] <scooba_steve> I'm running the Hoary LiveCD (x86) and whenever I move a window around it has a sort of "ghost" trail effect delay when redrawing the window.. My refresh rate is 85 hz, the highest it will allow me to set it. Does anybody else have this problem with the Live Cd?
[10:05] <bob2> LaserLine: why  would you think that?
[10:06] <LaserLine> bob2 don't know... searching my optionts...
[10:06] <LaserLine> bob2, what is the package reiserfsprogs? it says it has fsck.reiserfs4
[10:06] <bob2> perhaps it randomly corrupted itself
[10:06] <bob2> a) you're not using reiser4
[10:06] <bob2> b) I'm pretty sure that command does nothing
[10:06] <bob2> fsck for reiser3 at least just exits without doing anything
[10:07] <bob2> progreiserfs and reiserfsprogrs contain tools that claim to fix reiser
[10:07] <bob2> but one of them is unmaintained and critically buggy
[10:07] <bob2> I forget which
[10:08] <geeksauce> apokryphos: i installed kubuntu desktop, then tried ignoring package dependencies on amarok -> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1818
[10:08] <LaserLine> bob2, on the other hand, when I had EXT3 on (12 hours ago) I recieved a lot of EXT3 errors and Inode blah blah....
[10:08] <bob2> LaserLine: then you almost certainly have physical disk problems
[10:08] <LaserLine> bob2 while haveing installed ubuntu 3 times...
[10:08] <bob2> there you go
[10:08] <apokryphos> geeksauce: ok, try removing amarok from there and doing just plain taglib
[10:09] <mrimbert> yeah, sounds like physical problems with the disk
[10:09] <bob2> when things continue to fuck up, figure out why
[10:09] <geeksauce> apokryphos: k i'll try hang on
[10:09] <LaserLine> bob2 Is it the drive or the IDA controller ? how can I check what's wrong ?
[10:09] <bob2> no idea
[10:10] <LaserLine> bob2, I get this error after running smartctl from the liveCD on a wiped drive: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1809
[10:10] <mrimbert> LaserLine: failure rates for drives are higher han for controllers
[10:10] <mrimbert> s/han/than
[10:10] <LaserLine> mrimbert I'd be glad if you could take a look on the pastebit for me too.
[10:10] <mrimbert> ok
[10:11] <mrimbert> you tried to wipe a file on reiserfs?
[10:11] <LaserLine> mrimbert what do you mean ?
[10:11] <mrimbert> asking if you installed and used wipe
[10:11] <mrimbert> it's not supposed to be used with journaling filesystems
[10:11] <onkarshinde> Can anyone tell me what advantages ReiserFS has over ext3 for personal computing daily use?
[10:11] <geeksauce> apokryphos: still havin problems with dependencies-> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1819
[10:11] <LaserLine> mrimbert nope, I wiped with UBCD (killdisk) before installing.
[10:12] <bob2> onkarshinde: none
[10:12] <LaserLine> mrimbert the pastebin was generated with a wiped drive and livecd (installed smartmon on the livecd)
[10:12] <apokryphos> geeksauce: you're not meant to use sudo when you're root, of course, by the way.
[10:12] <mrimbert> ok, LaserLine
[10:13] <geeksauce> apokryphos: ohh ok thanks
[10:13] <apokryphos> geeksauce: though admittedly I have no idea for why it's asking for a higher gcc. Annoying.
[10:13] <LaserLine> mrimbert what do you think ?
[10:14] <mrimbert> LaserLine: can't tell
[10:14] <apokryphos> geeksauce: have you tried gtkpod?
[10:14] <geeksauce> apokryphos: couldd i just install the higher version then?
[10:15] <LaserLine> mrimbert ok, thanks/
[10:15] <geeksauce> apokryphos: nah, haven't tried that
[10:15] <apokryphos> geeksauce: if you don't use gtkpod, your only other choice is to compile libtag. Compiling in general is not so fun if you don't know what you're doing
[10:15] <apokryphos> geeksauce: worth trying. It's in the repositories.
[10:17] <IceDC571> wonderful so i copied all my music files to /media/usbdisk and it copied it into a folder called usbdisk on the same hd
[10:17] <IceDC571> i love linux
[10:17] <z|bandito> hello all
[10:17] <IceDC571> hi
[10:18] <mrimbert> IceDC571: you did something wrong
[10:18] <aftertaf> hi z|bandito
[10:18] <z|bandito> i have ubuntu installed on this box, and it seems to be playing sound effects triggered by gnome ok, but when I try and use the CD player or the internet radio it seems to be all garbled.  any ideas?
[10:18] <geeksauce> apokryphos: it says "iPod directory structure must be present before synching to the iPod can be performed.
[10:18] <geeksauce> "
[10:19] <IceDC571> yeah its copying to my external hd now
[10:19] <apokryphos> geeksauce: not sure how it works, but you probably have to mount your ipod under /mnt/ipod for it to detect it
[10:19] <IceDC571> but pretty soon it will freeze and crash
[10:19] <IceDC571> which i have no idea why linux does that
[10:19] <mrimbert> good night
[10:19] <apokryphos> 'night
[10:20] <IceDC571> it just froze again
[10:20] <IceDC571> now i have to reformat my external hd, recreate the partition and recopy my files until it fails again
[10:21] <omp> IceDC571: =o
[10:23] <geeksauce> apokryphos: it wants it mounted under /media/ipod/   how do i change where it is mounted and under what name?
[10:24] <ColonelKernel> how do I put my computer into standby to ram mody?
[10:24] <ColonelKernel> mode?
[10:25] <apokryphos> geeksauce: it's vfat, no?
[10:25] <bob2> ColonelKernel: sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[10:25] <bob2> ColonelKernel: assuming your laptop is supported
[10:25] <apokryphos> sudo mount /dev/sdaX /media/ipod -t vfat -o umask=000
[10:25] <ColonelKernel> I dont have a laptop its a desktop
[10:25] <apokryphos> geeksauce: ...where sdaX is the respective iPod entry
[10:25] <bob2> ColonelKernel: then you almost certainly can't; suspend-to-ram requires hardware support
[10:25] <bob2> ColonelKernel: you should be able to suspend to disk, however
[10:26] <ColonelKernel> it does it in windoze...
[10:26] <geeksauce> apokryphos: yeah, fat32
[10:26] <bob2> I'd be very surprised if windows really did that
[10:26] <ColonelKernel> it does
[10:26] <bob2> hw do you know?
[10:26] <apokryphos> geeksauce: ok, so do that.
[10:26] <ColonelKernel> all the fans and everything shut off and when I hit enter it comes back to life
[10:26] <ColonelKernel> right back where I was
[10:27] <bob2> that's not neccessarily suspend to ram
[10:27] <ColonelKernel> well it aint to the HD cause it starts back up FAST
[10:27] <ColonelKernel> but no, that doesnt work
[10:27] <bob2> why do you think it suspended at all?
[10:27] <ColonelKernel> it doesnt spn the drive other than to power it up, it doesnt go taking info off the hd or anything
[10:27] <bob2> it could just power down the fans and slow down the CPU
[10:28] <ColonelKernel> because the box is powered down, but the power LED is blinking
[10:28] <ColonelKernel> the hd are off
[10:28] <ColonelKernel> theres no signal to the monitor
[10:28] <ColonelKernel> theres no fans spinning
[10:28] <aftertaf> ColonelKernel:  if you wiggle the mouse?
[10:28] <IceDC571> bob2, is there any way i could get dd in verbose mode?
[10:28] <ColonelKernel> and of course, I selected "stand by"
[10:28] <dazvid> ColonelKernel, thats windows "hibernate" yeh?
[10:28] <ColonelKernel> no hibernate you hit ctrl at that screen
[10:29] <bob2> IceDC571: to do what?
[10:29] <ColonelKernel> and you have to enable ti in the power management settings
[10:29] <ColonelKernel> anyhow im gonna go do it now
[10:29] <ColonelKernel> see you al tommorrow
[10:29] <dazvid> Righto
[10:29] <IceDC571> bob2, i'm writing zeros on my external hd but i have no idea how long its going to take
[10:29] <IceDC571> all it has is a blinking cursor
[10:30] <mitzkrieg> howdy, anyone around that might be able to help me with totem?
[10:31] <IceDC571> there is no verbose mode on dd.. great..
[10:31] <Luna-Tick> Hello everyone, how do I get the Gnome cpufreq system tray applet to start?
[10:32] <geeksauce> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1823
[10:32] <apokryphos> geeksauce: your ipod is apparently not /dev/sdb
[10:34] <geeksauce> apokryphos: oops, it's sdb2
[10:35] <bob2> Luna-Tick: right click on pane. add applet. enjoy.
[10:35] <Determinist> bbl
[10:35] <geeksauce> apokryphos: what is the command to delete a dir...i created the wrong one and now i don't have permission to delete
[10:35] <apokryphos> rm -rf /some/directory
[10:36] <mitzkrieg> possible help with Totem? when i try to start it up i get this error "Totem could not startup, Resource busy or not available"
[10:37] <Luna-Tick> Thanks bob2 - had to unlock the panel and give myself some space to click on! Wouldn't have found it had I not known it was there :D
[10:37] <geeksauce> apokryphos: thanks.  is there a way i can make the ipod mount to that folder every time i plug it in?  i know i could add a line to fstab, but wouldn't that just mount it if it was already plugged in on boot?
[10:38] <apokryphos> geeksauce: not sure what tools gnome uses to automatically detect things; in fact, not sure if they have any. Regardless, if you ever just mount that directory (/media/ipod) it'll do the stuff appropriately
[10:39] <geeksauce> ok coo
[10:39] <LaserLine> What does the line "Filesystem seems mounted as readonly, skipping journal replay" on boot sequance after the line "Filesystem Clean" - working with reiserFS
[10:41] <LaserLine> anyone has an idea what does the above line mean ?
[10:41] <Salutis> hello all
[10:41] <dazvid> hi Salutis
[10:42] <Salutis> dazvid, thanks
[10:42] <LaserLine> hey Salutis.
[10:42] <Torps> lo ppl
[10:43] <Torps> does any 1 know how to set up ubuntu to work on the net with RP-PPPoR
[10:43] <Torps> it connects, but nothing happens
[10:43] <Torps> cant get the browser to do anything
[10:44] <Seveas> do you get an ip address?
[10:44] <Torps> its going over an adsl router
[10:44] <bob2> Torps: why are you using RP?
[10:44] <Torps> so i set the machine to DHCP
[10:44] <bob2> and no, it's not going over a router
[10:44] <Torps> what else could i use ?
[10:44] <bob2> if it was, your machine would not know about the DSL at all
[10:44] <Torps> but the router is not set up like a router
[10:44] <bob2> go back and explain what your goal is
[10:45] <bob2> then it's a bridge in thise case, not a router
[10:45] <Torps> ok=)
[10:45] <Torps> i have a adsl modem
[10:45] <Torps> i need to connect to it with PPPoE
[10:45] <Torps> so i installed RP-PPPoE and it works now
[10:45] <Torps> shows that it is conncted
[10:46] <bob2> ok
[10:46] <Torps> but browser doesnt pick up the connection
[10:46] <bob2> get rid of RP entirely
[10:46] <Torps> ok
[10:46] <bob2> then run "sudo pppoeconf"
[10:46] <bob2> then "sudo pon" to connect
[10:46] <Torps> cool
[10:46] <Torps> thanks =)
[10:46] <Torps> will try that
[10:48] <osfameron> woot, maybe my ubuntu disks have arrived
[10:48] <lassesandberg> hi people
[10:48] <Torps> awsome
[10:48] <Torps> that worked
[10:48] <lassesandberg> i installed wine through synaptic package manager, but i dont get any config file after the first time i run it
[10:48] <Torps> thanks
[10:49] <lassesandberg> how do i get the default config file
[10:51] <lassesandberg> anyone?
[10:52] <aftertaf> can you install the system with a live cd?
[10:52] <aftertaf>  a qu on #kubuntu
[10:52] <bob2> not simply
[10:54] <aftertaf> bob2:  very complicated ?
[10:54] <bob2> not very
[10:54] <bob2> you really should just use the install cd, tho
[10:55] <dazvid> aftertaf, there is a bounty for someone to develop that feature
[10:55] <dazvid> I was reading it last night
[10:55] <apokryphos> On some Live CDs there's a secret "install" option, but I forget which ones; not any Kubuntu, IIRC.
[10:55] <aftertaf> lol dazvid really?
[10:55] <Burgundavia> dazvid, it is mostly done. It should become default for breezy+1
[10:55] <dazvid> ah ok, cant remember who it was assigned to
[10:55] <bob2> the UbuntuExpress people
[10:55] <bob2> who appear to be behind schedule
[10:55] <dazvid> :o
[10:56] <dazvid> umm, I have this giant grey square in my display.. anyone else get this problem?
[10:56] <dazvid> its "Always on top" too.. so I cant see whats beneath it
[10:57] <dazvid> its also on all of my desktops :|
[10:57] <aftertaf> dazvid:  restart X is it still there?
[10:58] <dazvid> Whats the easiest way to restart X and keep my session open?
[10:58] <aftertaf> X session? you can't (afaik)
[10:58] <dazvid> damn
[10:58] <dazvid> ok well.. brb.
[10:58] <aftertaf> u d/l ing ?
[10:58] <dazvid> Nope
[10:58] <dazvid> just happened while I was reading some text documents in vim
[10:59] <aftertaf> no preocesses haging around being weird?
[11:00] <dazvid> How do I check background processes?
[11:00] <aftertaf> open console, type ps -A
[11:00] <dazvid> is there a keyboard shortcut similar to Ctrl Alt del
[11:00] <aftertaf> kde, Ctl & Esc
[11:00] <aftertaf> gnome dunno
[11:00] <dazvid> ah ok
[11:00] <dazvid> Apparently I have no processes?
[11:01] <bob2> "background processes" has a specific meaning
[11:01] <bob2> what are you trying to look at?
[11:02] <dazvid> bob2, Im not sure what Im looking for.. theres a big grey box in the top left of my screen which is always on top. Its just rather annyoing
[11:02] <dazvid> Only popped up while reading text documents in vim
[11:02] <bob2> you neglected to mention lots of details, tho
[11:02] <bob2> right
[11:02] <bob2> so presumably it's part of vim
[11:02] <bob2> or you ran it and forgot
[11:03] <dazvid> Lots of details? It just appeared -_-
[11:03] <gn0me> anyone know how to eliminate: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:03] <bob2> that seems somewhat unlikely
[11:04] <Seveas> gn0me, by enabling DRI perhaps...
[11:04] <gn0me> in my xorg.conf it includes the DRI module. :-\
[11:04] <dazvid> well, all I did was open vim in a console and then it appeared
[11:04] <aftertaf> gn0me:  what gfx card do you have?
[11:04] <gn0me> ATI Radeon 9600XT
[11:05] <bob2> gn0me: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:05] <bob2> dazvid: so, we here have no more information than what you have said?
[11:05] <bob2> did it show up at the same time?
[11:05] <bob2> if so, that's relevant
[11:06] <dazvid> no, it was as I switched a window (to gaim i believe)
[11:06] <`paul> if a have root access is it possible to hide a process ..(invisible from ps aux??)
[11:06] <gn0me> What if I don't have a /proc/pci :-\
[11:07] <bob2> `paul: of course
[11:07] <bob2> gn0me: then use lspci
[11:07] <dazvid> meh, I will just reboot. brb.
[11:07] <bob2> `paul: root can do anything
[11:07] <`paul> how? at bob2?
[11:08] <bob2> dude
[11:08] <`paul> i mean i ran something with nohup <aaaaa> &
[11:08] <bob2> root can overwrite any part of memory
[11:08] <bob2> this is what rootkits do
[11:08] <bob2> oh
[11:08] <`paul> rootkits...
[11:08] <bob2> no, there is no command line tool for it, because that would be dumb
[11:09] <`paul> ive read that there is a trick in renaming a process... to something
[11:09] <bob2> why would you want to hide a process?
[11:09] <`paul> so its better to add rootkits
[11:10] <bob2> wtf
[11:10] <scanwinder> is there a command to activate a wireless card.......at the moment i have to go into the network admin utility every time i want to use wireless......i want a command that i can put in a shell script
[11:10] <bob2> stop being obscure
[11:10] <`paul> :(
[11:10] <bob2> `paul: why on earth would you want to hide a process?
[11:10] <osfameron> scanwinder: sudo ifup ?
[11:10] <bob2> you haven't explained what on earth you're doing
[11:10] <onkarshinde> anybody from India here?
[11:10] <gn0me> Is there a way I can override version mismatch dependencies with apt-get?
[11:10] <scanwinder> osfameron: thanks
[11:10] <gn0me> Can't seem to find it in the manpage
[11:10] <Salutis> #join slovakia
[11:10] <bob2> gn0me: no, that won't help
[11:11] <gn0me> I'm trying to install the fglrx driver, so it might.
[11:11] <osfameron> scanwinder: your wireless card should be something like wlan0 or ath0 (on mine it's eth1) try ifconfig to get the possibilities
[11:11] <bob2> gn0me: no, don't do that
[11:11] <bob2> gn0me: read the page I poitned you at, not some random other one
[11:13] <bob2> `paul: ?
[11:13] <spola> so i used sound juicer to rip my *entire* cd collection to ogg (which took days)... and now I just discovered my mp3 player can't play ogg files. I was wondering how to convert these ogg's to mp3's
[11:14] <`paul> nevermind... sorry...
[11:14] <rule187> Hi, how can I set a static IP and subnet mask in the CLI?
[11:14] <bob2> this is why ripping to lossy formats is a bad idea...
[11:14] <bob2> rule187: ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0
[11:14] <spola> rule187, do "man 5 interfaces"
[11:14] <bob2> rule187: ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eth0
[11:15] <rule187> thanks guys :)
[11:16] <spola> bob2, so ... there's no way to do this? wth i found at least a dozen windows programs that do excactly what i need while looking for a linux program
[11:16] <bob2> spola: sure, there's tons of ways
[11:16] <bob2> it's like one line of shell
[11:16] <bob2> but it' a terrible idea
[11:16] <spola> well i dont want to convert my entire collection
[11:16] <`paul> btw, is ubuntu that diff from debian... coz i put a deb repository in the sources.list and updated evrything... after i restarted evrything was f*ckd up
[11:16] <selinium> spola: check out sox
[11:16] <spola> i was thinking of just converting everything on my mp3 player before umounting
[11:16] <scanwinder> osfameron: ifup didnt seem to do it...... "sudo ifup ath0" is what i tried.......
[11:17] <spola> selinium, thx
[11:17] <bob2> mp32ogg - Converts MP3 file to Ogg Vorbis
[11:17] <osfameron> scanwinder: try iwconfig to see what interfaces you have ?
[11:17] <scanwinder> osfameron: wait, it did activate it...it must be sumthin else is wrong....
[11:17] <bob2> `paul: no, that was stupid, do not mix them unless you know what you're doing
[11:17] <scanwinder> osfameron: its ath0
[11:17] <osfameron> scanwinder: do you have a key or something?
[11:17] <bob2> dir2ogg - converts mp3, m4a, and wav files into ogg-vorbis format
[11:17] <bob2> etc
[11:18] <bob2> spola: apt-cache search mp3 ogg
[11:18] <bob2> any one of those will be simple to get going
[11:18] <scanwinder> osfameron: i put in the key
[11:19] <scanwinder> osfameron: i put iwconfig ath0 key xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xx in
[11:20] <scanwinder> osfameron: its picking up the access point but it wont get an IP address
[11:21] <bob2> best to disable WEP entirely
[11:21] <bob2> to make sure it works
[11:21] <^ChRiS^^> Okay I need some help
[11:22] <`paul> can i use kate in ubuntu(gnome) by just installing the base kde lib?
[11:23] <osfameron> scanwinder: yeah, what bob2 said :-)  actually, I use wifiradar, because I'm lazy and it's (relatively) shiny
[11:23] <bob2> `paul: just by insatlling kate, yes
[11:26] <`paul> oh
[11:26] <`paul> so kate really doesnt require KDE?
[11:26] <spola> sox (installed in synaptic) has been built without mp3 support, is there anyway i can get a version that does support mp3's?
[11:27] <`paul> do you know of any good php/c++ editors that supports SSH?
[11:27] <apokryphos> `paul: it does' kate is *in* kde
[11:27] <spola> someone should build a guerilla ubuntu with all the stuff that has been left out for legal reasons
[11:28] <bob2> `paul: it does, but apt will automatically install whatever bits kate needs
[11:28] <prasys|laptop> can i know , where is x-chat is located , so I can create a shoutcut , i just used kynaptic for it
[11:29] <scanwinder> bob2: is wifiradar in the ubuntu repositories?
[11:29] <apokryphos> prasys|laptop: the executable is in /usr/bin/
[11:29] <aftertaf> prasys|laptop:  can't kypantic tell you where the file is?
[11:29] <bob2> scanwinder: no idea
[11:29] <bob2> I use kismet and netapplet
[11:29] <bob2> not that netapplet actually works, at all
[11:29] <aftertaf> !info wifiradar
[11:30] <aftertaf> [DF2] :  yo :) how goes it ?
[11:30] <prasys> thanks a lot
[11:32] <franco64> how can u ntotally uninstall an application without going to synaptic manager, is there a unix command to do this
[11:33] <bob2> sudo aptitude purge blah
[11:33] <franco64> the reason why is the synaptic still leaves files behind and i need to do a totally fresh install
[11:34] <bob2> that sounds unlikely
[11:34] <aftertaf> synaptic has a total purge option...
[11:34] <bob2> perhaps you didn't tell synaptic to purge the package in question
[11:34] <apokryphos> "Complete Removal"
[11:34] <^ChRiS^^> I get this error when I try to install xmms The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the full path to glib-config. configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first
[11:34] <franco64> i did i asked for a total uninstall and all assosiations and still still kept files there
[11:35] <franco64> oh and bob2 thanks
[11:35] <aftertaf> chris: you using sorece tarballs or apt?
[11:35] <^ChRiS^^> tarballs
[11:35] <bob2> ^ChRiS^^: so, you're all wrong to begin with; why are you installing xmms from source to begin with?
[11:36] <^ChRiS^^> ..thats what it said?
[11:36] <franco64> still left files there in /usr/lib/gdesklets
[11:36] <aftertaf> ok....
[11:36] <aftertaf> chris... type sudo apt-get install xmms
[11:37] <aftertaf> itll manage the dependencies itself.
[11:37] <franco64> i can manually delete them but i really would like the system to delete the files and any files that i might miss
[11:39] <^ChRiS^^> ok then what
[11:40] <^ChRiS^^> ha nm
[11:40] <aftertaf> chris, did it finish without an error?
[11:41] <nfinitep1astik> so much fuss for a reg'd nick
[11:43] <^ChRiS^^> Yeah, ty.
[11:45] <nfinitep1astik> gg nickserv
[11:46] <nfinitep1astik> sucks to be whoever got the b00t
[11:53] <z|bandito> i have ubuntu installed on this box, and it seems to be playing sound effects triggered by gnome ok, but when I try and use the CD player or the internet radio it seems to be all garbled.  any ideas?
[11:54] <nfinitep1astik> z|bandito: do you have alsa enabled?
[11:54] <CaiN_SA> nfinitep1astik,
[11:54] <CaiN_SA> obviously he does
[11:54] <CaiN_SA> gnomes sounds plays
[11:54] <CaiN_SA> and if alsa wasnt enabled
[11:55] <CaiN_SA> the sound would not have came out garbled
[11:55] <CaiN_SA> there wouldnt have been any at all
[11:55] <nfinitep1astik> CaiN_SA: actually, i had that same problem on my box, and ALSA wasn't enabled
[11:55] <nfinitep1astik> CaiN_SA: nasty esound was enabled
[11:55] <CaiN_SA> erm
[11:55] <CaiN_SA> look
[11:56] <CaiN_SA> oss in kernel isnt used anymore
[11:56] <CaiN_SA> thus also is now in kernel
[11:56] <selinium> CaiN_SA: surely if he had any off the other sound server running he would get sound. OSS deosn't support mutil threaded sound
[11:59] <Digis> where can I report bugs in breezy?
[12:00] <Digis> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com ?
[12:02] <nfinitep1astik> Digis:what kind of bug are you experiencing?
[12:03] <Digis> in breezy, emu10k1, by default is enabled to digital output,  so there is no sound in it, I think it should be enabled to analog output
[12:03] <youngcoder> what dir is samba.log in?
[12:03] <aftertaf> !find
[12:04] <z|bandito> how do i check if alsa is enabled?  or esound?
[12:04] <youngcoder> i did a whereis
[12:04] <aftertaf> find / -name samba.log
[12:04] <aftertaf> i think...
[12:04] <Digis> nfinitep1astik, so?
[12:04] <nfinitep1astik> Digis: well, i wouldn't quite consider that a bug then ^^;;
[12:05] <youngcoder> aftertaf, that didnt work
[12:05] <nfinitep1astik> z|bandito: preferences and multimedia
[12:05] <Digis> nfinitep1astik, well I understant that, but, I think by default ubuntu should play sounds, and its not
[12:05] <aftertaf> man find :)
[12:05] <nfinitep1astik> Digis: well, i guess it would depend on your hardware and how ubuntu configures it
[12:05] <aftertaf> or sudo it first...
[12:07] <aftertaf> is it caled samba.log?
[12:08] <Digis> nfinitep1astik, I have audigy 1 sound card, and ubuntu breezy configures it incorrectly,  I have never experienced this problem in hoary
[12:08] <ubuntUser> hello:I've got 12.GHz and 256MB RAM, i installed hoary, and my system is slow in some cases (ex. when I open 3 firefoxes) top shows that then my ram is about 3MB free. If I buy more RAM will I get system speed up?
[12:08] <spola> anyone has the ubuntusetup script from downloads.forums.....? it refuses to resolve here :/
[12:08] <gwilym> Does anyone know a way to arrange things so that, from either windows or ubuntu, I can choose what the default boot option will be next time?
[12:08] <ubuntUser> 1.2GHZ;]
[12:08] <nfinitep1astik> gwilym: change your options on your boot loader, but you'll need a little knowledge
[12:08] <aftertaf> ubuntulog:  haveyou setup a swap partiton?
[12:09] <aftertaf> youngcoder:  check /etc/samba
[12:09] <mitzkrieg> for installing a multi disc game, the wiki says to use the -monitor-cdrom-eject option. how do i enable this?
[12:10] <mitzkrieg> or check to see if it's enabled
[12:10] <nfinitep1astik> Digis: hmmm....as far as i know, i dont think creative supports anything else than windows...and by configures it incorrectly, it just enables the digital output?
[12:10] <gwilym> nfinitep1astik: I'd like to be able to toggle between the two easily, so that the next boot after ubuntu is windows, but the next after windows is ubuntu, or similar: it's a remote machine. I've set the menu.lst at the moment to go into windows - is there an easy way to change it from in windows?
[12:11] <v1ru5> My mouse prevents Gnome from launching! How can i fix it? :/
[12:11] <Digis> nfinitep1astik, yes it enables the digital output, and disables analog output, so I must enable analog ouput manually, and I think itis confusing for unexperienced user, to change in alsamixer
[12:12] <nfinitep1astik> gwilym: i haven't heard of something like that nor how sure it how possible that would be....the boot script usually remains static, unless you're able to modify ntldr dynamically...which i doubt x.x
[12:12] <robotgeek> v1ru5: still having that problem?
[12:13] <v1ru5> robotgeek: yep.
[12:13] <z|bandito> input is oss, output is ESD... i should try alsa?
[12:13] <robotgeek> v1ru5: it's a usb right?
[12:13] <nfinitep1astik> Digis: and i agree, but that's part of the beauty of linux...asking quesions to annoy everyone else =D
[12:13] <z|bandito> thanks for the help, btw :)
[12:13] <v1ru5> robotgeek: yep, logitech, usb and optical
[12:13] <nfinitep1astik> z|bandito: yes, switch to alsa
[12:14] <robotgeek> v1ru5: for how much time does it hang in there?
[12:14] <kandoora_> let's say i don't have connection to the internet, but i wanna install an application. how do i go about it, do i download the source code or the deb or the rpm, what do i do then
[12:14] <v1ru5> robotgeek: for what i have waited, more than 6 hours
[12:14] <v1ru5> robotgeek: how long exactly, i cannot know
[12:14] <mitzkrieg> can anyone tell a newb how to enable -monitor-cdrom-eject option for a multi disc game installation?
[12:15] <v1ru5> could be +20, +48, +900
[12:15] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: you dont even have to do that, just apt-get install *program name*
[12:15] <Digis> nfinitep1astik, well nobody helped me, I found the solution on some other distros forum, so I think its quite tricky for a newbie, so U think I should report this as a some bug?
[12:15] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: just make sure you add sudo beforehand ^.~
[12:15] <Digis> or I shouldnt?
[12:15] <nfinitep1astik> Digis: you could always try, no harm in pushing the idea forward
[12:16] <gwilym> thanks nfinitep1astik - probably best to do it manually then. Cheerio
[12:16] <kandoora_> nfinitep1astik: so the line should be sudo apt-get install inkscape
[12:16] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: then do that in your terminal
[12:16] <robotgeek> v1ru5: just asking, that's all. it's really really weird
[12:16] <LaserLine> Guys, will I notice and diffrence between 8MB and 16MB buffer on a 5400RPM HD (40GB) laptop drive on a P3-600 and 256RAM
[12:16] <LaserLine> it's a laptop
[12:17] <v1ru5> robotgeek: tell me about it :/
[12:17] <v1ru5> robotgeek: annoying as **** too
[12:17] <kandoora_> nfinitep1astik: but what should the program be .deb .rpm or source code
[12:17] <meta> !getty
[12:17] <ubotu> meta: Are you smoking crack?
[12:17] <v1ru5> robotgeek: any workaround from this??
[12:17] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: rpms are red hat, and unless you can compile your code, then deb it is....but when you install through apt (aptitude) you dont need to worry about that
[12:17] <aftertaf> !info getty
[12:18] <robotgeek> v1ru5: it's only gnome and not any other environment like fluxbox or so?
[12:18] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: if you can bring it up through apt-get, browse synaptic and see if you can find it there
[12:18] <nfinitep1astik> cant*
[12:18] <ubuntUser> can anyon help me?
[12:18] <ubuntUser> ;]
[12:18] <mitzkrieg> can anyone tell a newb how to enable -monitor-cdrom-eject option for a multi disc game installation?
[12:19] <v1ru5> robotgeek: i do not know
[12:19] <robotgeek> v1ru5: can u try that? do a apt-get install fluxbox, and see if it's a gnome problem
[12:20] <nfinitep1astik> mitzkrieg: although i haven't installed a multi-cd game, it just sounds like a command, more than an option you enable
[12:20] <kandoora_> nfinitep1astik: so what if i go through synaptic and don't find it there, or it ain't the latest version then what do i do?
[12:20] <v1ru5> robotgeek: ok
[12:20] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: you're pretty much SOL if you cant google it or just find it somewhere on the web
[12:21] <kandoora_> nfinitep1astik: can i msg u pls.?
[12:21] <LaserLine> Will I notice and diffrence between 8MB and 16MB buffer on a 5400RPM HD (40GB) laptop drive on a P3-600 and 256RAM ?
[12:21] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: sure
[12:21] <v1ru5> robotgeek: it won't override Gnome by default, right?
[12:21] <robotgeek> v1ru5: no, you will be able to select it from gdm
[12:22] <v1ru5> robotgeek: nice feature considering that i don't even know what gdm is :)
[12:23] <robotgeek> v1ru5: okay, gdm is basically the login screen u see if you logout
[12:23] <v1ru5> robotgeek: ok.. i downloaded it
[12:23] <ibitox> hi
[12:23] <thesaltydog> just upgraded breezy from hoary. I am experiencing a huge performance loss... What am I missing?
[12:23] <v1ru5> robotgeek: how do i launch it?
[12:23] <ibitox> can someone help me? with my riptide sound card
[12:23] <phrizer> hm, this might seem odd, but, how can i access samba shares from the standard 'open' dialog boxes, like in xchats dcc send? I can access them though the 'network servers' tool and create an icon on the desktop that opens it.
[12:23] <v1ru5> robotgeek: startx -something?
[12:23] <thesaltydog> 40 seconds to open an openoffice document
[12:23] <robotgeek> v1ru5: how do u generally login
[12:24] <thesaltydog> 8 seconds to open the terminal..
[12:24] <v1ru5> robotgeek: it launches up gnome automatically
[12:24] <ibitox> anyone?
[12:24] <robotgeek> v1ru5: from the login screen, if you use it, select session as fluxbox and login
[12:25] <v1ru5> ibitox: CHECK THE TOPIC
[12:25] <v1ru5> ibitox: esp. the second paragraph ;)
[12:25] <v1ru5> robotgeek: umm, i have no idea what you are talking about
[12:25] <v1ru5> robotgeek: i have only gnome login screen
[12:25] <v1ru5> robotgeek: and console login "screen"
[12:26] <ibitox> I seems not to work, I try to install drivers but it doesnt install
[12:26] <robotgeek> v1ru5: okay, let's try and fix that for you.
[12:26] <z|bandito> 'failed to construct test pipeline for alsa'
[12:26] <robotgeek> v1ru5: you are on another machine right?
[12:28] <LaserLine> What's the diffrence between 'locate' and 'slocate' ?
[12:28] <robotgeek> v1ru5: get to the console login, then go to "cd /etc/gdm/sessions". there will be a default script there. follow me till here?
[12:28] <robotgeek> v1ru5: btw, there should also be a "failsafe gnome" login in there screen. did u try that?
[12:31] <cafuego> LaserLine: slocate ought to only find _your_ files
[12:32] <ibitox> anyone again?
[12:32] <Juhaz> there is no difference
[12:32] <robotgeek> cafuego: how do i get the underline?
[12:32] <LaserLine> cafuego so what should i add to my cron.daily ? slocate or locate ?
[12:33] <cafuego> robotgeek: _underscore_ on both sides of teh word, irc client does the interpreting.
[12:33] <robotgeek> cafuego: ah, _neat_
[12:33] <cafuego> LaserLine: locate should already be running
[12:33] <cafuego> robotgeek: indeed
[12:33] <robotgeek> v1ru5: u there?
[12:34] <robotgeek> cafuego: thanks, one more thing learned today :)
[12:34] <cafuego> LaserLine: if you need search options, have a look at beagle.
[12:34] <LaserLine> cafuego how can i check that ? where to look ?
[12:34] <LaserLine> cafuego (about locate)
[12:34] <v1ru5> robotgeek: having my breakfast, i'll be back in a bit :)
[12:34] <cafuego> LaserLine: 'rgrep updatedb /etc'
[12:35] <cafuego> LaserLine: 'updatedb' updates the 'locate' database.
[12:35] <robotgeek> v1ru5: okay, i might leave in another 15-20 minutes, so try the failsafe login if i am not here!
[12:35] <robotgeek> cafuego: would you know how memory/cpu intensive beagle is?
[12:35] <LaserLine> cufuego Ok, in what conf file would I see if locate is running ?
[12:36] <cafuego> robotgeek: The initial index made my AMD64 1.8GHz with 1 GB ram do quite a lot of poo.
[12:36] <robotgeek> cafuego: okay, find with grep works great :)
[12:36] <robotgeek> i will have to stick to that!
[12:36] <cafuego> LaserLine: /etc/cron.daily/find
[12:37] <cafuego> robotgeek: Now that it's all indexed, finding stuff is immediate
[12:37] <LaserLine> cafuego I only have a file named: 'find.notslocate
[12:37] <cafuego> LaserLine: Umculiar.
[12:38] <LaserLine> cafuego and i have anotherone 'slocate'
[12:38] <robotgeek> cafuego: u are getting me hooked, u evil man :)
[12:38] <cafuego> then yours is probably using slocate
[12:38] <cafuego> robotgeek: well, the alternative is running OSX with Spotlight
[12:38] <LaserLine> cafuego what time daily does it work ?
[12:39] <robotgeek> cafuego: nah, i'll just keep my stuff organised, my poor 500 mhz machine may not be able to handle it.
[12:39] <InitMass> how do i test if my proftpd works?
[12:39] <cafuego> LaserLine: 7:30 am
[12:40] <Virtuall> InitMass, launch it and ftp://localhost ?
[12:40] <v1ru5> robotgeek: back
[12:40] <LaserLine> cafuego is there a way to change the time ? what happens if the laptop is closed at that time... ?
[12:40] <InitMass> Virtuall, but if i want to test if external users can access it?
[12:40] <v1ru5> robotgeek: should i shutdown gnome (how?) before running that failsafe?
[12:41] <robotgeek> v1ru5: logout, (i hope u are on a different machine!) and then select failsafe gnome from the sessions popup (i think f10)
[12:41] <Virtuall> InitMass, ftp://your.ip
[12:41] <v1ru5> robotgeek: i am on that machine
[12:41] <v1ru5> robotgeek: the one with the problems
[12:42] <robotgeek> v1ru5: okay, then i guess u'll have to leave and come back
[12:42] <Virtuall> or tell me your IP and i'll try it :)
[12:42] <v1ru5> robotgeek: well this irssi isn't on that box :P
[12:42] <robotgeek> v1ru5: phew :)
[12:42] <v1ru5> robotgeek: i'm connecting to a remote box to IRC with ssh
[12:42] <robotgeek> v1ru5: same here :)
[12:43] <v1ru5> so umm, logout? how? lol
[12:43] <v1ru5> i mean, gnome just stands there, without anything displaying but the mouse cursor
[12:43] <InitMass> Virtuall, doesn't seem to work for external users but it does to me
[12:43] <robotgeek> kill by ctrl + alt +del
[12:44] <v1ru5> pressed ctrl + alt + del, nothing happens
[12:44] <nfinitep1astik> lol
[12:45] <v1ru5> pressed ctrl + alt + del 3 times more, nothing happens
[12:45] <nfinitep1astik> what process are you trying to kill?
[12:45] <Virtuall> InitMass, hmm it may be listening on <IP_ADDRESS> orit might be your firewall. have one?
[12:45] <robotgeek> v1ru5: damn, it's hung pretty bad. so, maybe a hard reboot?
[12:45] <InitMass> Virtuall, yes i'm using firestarter and have opened port 20-21
[12:46] <v1ru5> robotgeek: but then it launches up it again!
[12:46] <v1ru5> robotgeek: and hungs again
[12:46] <v1ru5> o_O
[12:46] <Virtuall> InitMass, check if it's not listening on <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:47] <Virtuall> see proftpd.conf
[12:47] <robotgeek> v1ru5: u have gnome to boot up automatically without logging in?
[12:47] <v1ru5> yep
[12:48] <Drajka> So.. Where might I get a software firewall for Ubuntu. ;)
[12:48] <franco64> just use firestarter
[12:48] <robotgeek> okay, let gnome boot up without your mouse connected, then connect your mouse later.select to not login automatically (for now)
[12:48] <v1ru5> robotgeek: but i'll boot and try to unplug the mouse and try to get gnome working that way and i'll disable it
[12:48] <v1ru5> yep
[12:48] <v1ru5> brb
[12:48] <franco64> drajka : firestarter
[12:48] <Drajka> O.o ok
[12:49] <InitMass> Virtuall, do you know where i should look in the proftpd.conf? i can't find anything about <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:49] <Drajka> ......
[12:49] <Drajka> I kep getting this error when I try to install things.
[12:49] <Drajka> E: locales:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 4
[12:50] <franco64> Drajka: apt-get install firestarter
[12:50] <franco64> what's the error messages
[12:50] <Drajka> ......
[12:50] <Drajka> I just posted it
[12:50] <nfinitep1astik> lol
[12:51] <cafuego> robotgeek: Just reindexing now, load is 4 after a minute
[12:51] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: what are you running?
[12:51] <Drajka> ... Ubuntu?
[12:52] <franco64> have u tried doing a dist upgrade
[12:52] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: ^^;;....your kernal?
[12:52] <Virtuall> InitMass, ;( if it hasn't any address there, it's probably default. and default is <IP_ADDRESS> afaik. so /me gives up
[12:52] <nfinitep1astik> kernel*
[12:53] <Drajka> x86_64
[12:53] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: so the k7? or the 64 bit?
[12:53] <gn0me> Hmm.. takes like 5 minutes for my gnome to load, freezes at the default brown background after the GDM..
[12:53] <Drajka> 64bit..
[12:54] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: i have the amd 64 also, but i have to run k7 otherwise....so you install the 64 bit originally?
[12:54] <Drajka> yes..
[12:54] <robotgeek> cafuego: :)
[12:54] <Drajka> It's just recently that this problem happpened
[12:54] <robotgeek> v1ru5: alrite, i gotta go and take driving test now. cya later!
[12:55] <v1ru5> ./
[12:55] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: what's changed since the last time you tried to install something?
[12:55] <agent86ian> Hi everyone, New to linux and have a couple of questions.
[12:55] <Drajka> nothing
[12:56] <sepmike> hi guys
[12:56] <Drajka> it must have been one of the things i installed
[12:56] <Drajka> i installed a bunch of updates
[12:56] <Drajka> and then suddenly I'm getting the error
[12:56] <Drajka> then again
[12:56] <Drajka> I haven't tried restarting ubuntu yet
[12:56] <nfinitep1astik> that might work
[12:56] <sepmike> does anyone have some time to answer a few laptop  installation questions?
[12:56] <nfinitep1astik> agent86ian, sepmike: ask away
[12:56] <sepmike> thanks
[12:57] <sepmike> I have a pcg-fx104 vaio
[12:57] <sepmike> had to install with acpi=no
[12:57] <sepmike> and now of course I can't get pcmcia to run
[12:57] <nfinitep1astik> and you probably wont
[12:57] <nfinitep1astik> why couldn't you enable acpi?
[12:58] <sepmike> it hung on boot at acpi: subsystem revisions .....
[12:58] <sepmike> when I went to install
[12:58] <agent86ian> I have a Nvidia FX 5200 video card and the LCD monitor is running at the native resolution of 1280 x 1024 but the fonts are blurry. I have fiddled arround with the fonts settings but it is not sharp like it is in Windows XP Any clues?
[12:59] <sepmike> thing is it shows the netgear pcmcia wifi card in the devices
[12:59] <sepmike> but i can't get it to run
[12:59] <sepmike> I know this wifi card works cause I have ubunutu on an other laptop using the same card
[12:59] <sepmike> any ideas?
[12:59] <Drajka> w0w.. katomic is fun.
[01:00] <Drajka> So how can I restart
[01:00] <Drajka> Do I have to do a complete reboot
[01:00] <Drajka> or can I just do ctrl+alt+ backspace or somethin
[01:00] <Drajka> g
[01:00] <Drajka> :P
[01:00] <nfinitep1astik> sepmike: and it's the exact setup? what is the difference in laptops?
[01:01] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: you can type init 5 in your terminal
[01:01] <sepmike> yeah the other one is old compaq armada 7400  p2 366
[01:01] <Drajka> kk
[01:01] <sepmike> this vaio is a p3 700
[01:01] <Drajka> bye then.. maybe
[01:01] <Drajka> <.<
[01:01] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: or simply select 'logout' and 'restart the computer'
[01:01] <nfinitep1astik> sepmike: rofl, well, good to know the armada is still kicking
[01:02] <sepmike> yeah it runs just fine, i use it as a client terminal so it serves its purpose
[01:02] <sepmike> but I'd like to get the vaio running with wifi
[01:02] <nfinitep1astik> agent86ian: sometimes you'll run into trouble that ubuntu doesn't have the same driver support, if any, like windows does
[01:02] <sepmike> never thought I'd have trouble installing it tho :(
[01:03] <nfinitep1astik> sepmike: you might want to check to see if there's an updated pcmcia driver you could install
[01:03] <agent86ian> Where would I look for Nvidia drivers for linux? Then I have to work out how to install :-)
[01:03] <silvan> hi - im supposed to mute all IEC* channels in order to get sound working but no IEC* channel is showing up in alsamixer - any ideas?
[01:03] <aftertaf> !tell agent86ian about nvidia
[01:04] <nfinitep1astik> agent86ian: unfortuatenly, nvidia doesn't share the wonder for the GNU license like everyone else, so closed drivers are a bit difficult to get a hold of
[01:04] <agent86ian> Windows XP Pro SP2 did not detect my Intel onboard Lan 1G but Ubuntu had no problems.
[01:04] <aftertaf> silvan:  try aumix or aumix-gtk
[01:05] <agent86ian> What brand of card do you recommend? I have a spare ATI Radeon Hang on I will get the number.
[01:05] <nfinitep1astik> agent86ian: then just use that, ATI has much better support in linux
[01:05] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: wb
[01:05] <prasys|laptop> does anyone knows any good x-chat sysinfo script for ubuntu
[01:05] <Drajka> Thanks :)
[01:06] <sepmike> cardctl status says ... socket 1: 3.3v cardbux card function 0: [ready]
[01:06] <agent86ian> Are they standard or will I have to get drivers and install?
[01:06] <sepmike> *cardbus
[01:06] <phrizer> hm, how does gnome store its menus?
[01:06] <silvan> aftertaf: no iec* either
[01:06] <nfinitep1astik> agent86ian: gotta find the drivers ^.^
[01:06] <sepmike> so it's detected the card is inserted
[01:06] <prasys|laptop> ndiswrapper will do the trick for you , for cardbus/wifi
[01:07] <siimo> phrizer, /usr/share/applications/
[01:07] <aftertaf> silvan:  hmm i have seen them once on debian, cant remember where tho.
[01:07] <silvan> aftertaf: pressing f2 in alsamixer lists iec channels as output of /proc
[01:07] <VoX> is there something wrong with cdimage.ubuntulinux.org? i'm on a 10mbit link and i'm getting a whopping 10k/sec
[01:08] <spiritz> is there anyone running breezy and kde that could share his sources.list please?
[01:08] <Seveas> spiritz: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:08] <nfinitep1astik> agent86ian: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[01:08] <Seveas> spiritz, just replace every occurence of hoary with breezy
[01:09] <phrizer> siimo,  what about per user menus?
[01:10] <siimo> phrizer, that would be the same as default gnome maybe somewhere in ~/.gnome2
[01:10] <VoX> i'm guessing thats a "dont know" then
[01:10] <spiritz> Seveas: thanks
[01:11] <nfinitep1astik> VoX: trying pinging it
[01:11] <agent86ian> Thanks everyone. I will do some reading.
[01:11] <VoX> ~600ms
[01:11] <nfinitep1astik> try pinging somewhere you know is fast
[01:12] <VoX> hmm
[01:12] <VoX> some weird routing going on i think
[01:12] <phrizer> siimo, how can i add menus?
[01:13] <phrizer> or rather, menu items.
[01:14] <VoX> are there any other breezey iso repositries? i dont much feel like waiting 16hours for this to download..
[01:15] <nfinitep1astik> VoX: you have bittorrent?
[01:15] <nfinitep1astik> VoX: http://www.torrentz.com/t.php?id=188484
[01:15] <VoX> nfi: nay
[01:15] <VoX> i'm currently using a somewhat-crippled debian sid install
[01:15] <VoX> which i cant get running right on my amd64
[01:16] <VoX> hence why i want to go to ubuntu
[01:16] <nfinitep1astik> did you install the 64 version?
[01:16] <siimo> phrizer, theres a menu editor look on ubuntu forums
[01:16] <VoX> nfinitep1astik: yeah
[01:16] <nfinitep1astik> funny, i have the 64 bit proc too and i had a few problems installing the 64bit version myself, i just went back to the 386 and updated to the k7 kernel
[01:17] <VoX> ah i've got the kernel sorted, just having issues with xorg mainly
[01:17] <nfinitep1astik> cant get x to start?
[01:18] <VoX> it kinda starts. i get the nvidia logo.. then it goes back to cli.. then back to the logo.. etc.. then craps itself.
[01:18] <VoX> so x is starting
[01:18] <VoX> it just wont initiate gdm
[01:18] <nfinitep1astik> did you try to install the glx drivers?
[01:18] <VoX> yeah, done that
[01:19] <nfinitep1astik> did you have problems right after you installed the glx drivers?
[01:19] <VoX> nah
[01:19] <hansder> is there a way to mount nrg,iso,cue,bin.. images on gnome... like 'mount iso image' for kde (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11577)
[01:19] <nfinitep1astik> you could try editing your xorg.conf back to the default driver and get back into x
[01:20] <VoX> well sorta. i couldnt use the stock debian kernel, as the nvidia drivers conflicted with riva in the stock kernel, so i conf'd my own kernel(2.6.12), built the nvidia modules, installed them.. and it hasnt worked yet
[01:21] <nfinitep1astik> have you tried just switching back to the default driver?
[01:21] <nfinitep1astik> and uninstalling glx?
[01:21] <VoX> nfinitep1astik: it's nvidia. it wont work without the nvidia drivers
[01:22] <nfinitep1astik> yes it can ^.^
[01:22] <VoX> ?
[01:22] <nfinitep1astik> or probably you didn't change your driver setting in your xorg.conf
[01:22] <nfinitep1astik> just nano it up and look for the model of your video card
[01:22] <VoX> nano?
[01:23] <nfinitep1astik> it's a text editor
[01:23] <VoX> ah
[01:23] <hansder> how do i forcefully end a process?
[01:23] <gn0me> Takes like 5 minutes for my gnome to load, freezes at the default brown background after the GDM.. I tried deleting the ~/.gnome and .gnome2 dirs.. thinking it might be something it's trying to load.. Only X log errors are saying that it can't find some font dirs, so I don't think that's the case..
[01:23] <nfinitep1astik> hansder: pkill *process name*
[01:23] <hansder> thx
[01:25] <hansder> nfinitep1astik, pkill doesnt work process still running :(
[01:25] <nfinitep1astik> hansder: what are you trying to kill?
[01:26] <Smegzor> I have been trying to get a vnc server working without success.  I want to do the remote desktop thing but with a virtual desktop, not the one on the host's screen.
[01:26] <selinium> hansder: some processes are un-interruptable like dd
[01:26] <Smegzor> Is this possible?
[01:26] <Determinist> Smegzor: you can use GDM over VNC... that way you wont have to use an open session
[01:26] <hansder> 'python' i cant kill it with the task manager either
[01:27] <Determinist> Smegzor: meaning no user would have to be logged in to allow for connections to be made
[01:27] <Smegzor> ah so the answer is NO it cannot be done :(
[01:27] <hansder> selinium, and its using up to 90% of my cpu ressources
[01:27] <Determinist> Smegzor: actually... yes, it can be done
[01:27] <Smegzor> a virtual desktop?  NOT the desktop of the currently logged in user?
[01:28] <Determinist> Smegzor: i just have no idea how exactly since i've never tried, but i'm sure it can be done with a certain amount of tweaking
[01:28] <Smegzor> my hunting around the net suggests a LOT of tweaking :(  I'm a Windows user which doesn't help :)
[01:28] <Determinist> Smegzor: like i said, GDM over VNC = connecting under a NEW session, not requiring a user to be logged in. works similiar to RDP on W2k machines
[01:29] <Smegzor> where can I find some info about setting that up?
[01:29] <Smegzor> I need some instructions I can follow.
[01:29] <Determinist> Smegzor: easy, gimme a sec, i'll post a link
[01:29] <Smegzor> thanks
[01:30] <Determinist> Smegzor: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42941
[01:30] <Smegzor> this is the last big thing I haven't got working in my new installation.  I was using another debian before this and never had this much trouble.
[01:30] <Smegzor> thanks
[01:30] <Determinist> Smegzor: np mate, good luck. that has worked for me quite well btw :)
[01:31] <rouven> moinmoin.
[01:31] <Smegzor> :) if this works, the wife can use HER new linux box and I can fiddle with it without unseating her or stealing her mouse :)
[01:31] <Determinist> bbiab
[01:33] <Smegzor> hmm..  I enabled all? the universe repositories yet there is no vnc4server in my package lists :(
[01:33] <Smegzor> I think I know where I stuffed up :)
[01:36] <Determinist> Smegzor: any luck so far?
[01:37] <Gorth-> Does Ubuntu respecet the preferences file in apt?
[01:37] <Smegzor> working on it..  slowly.  at another comp :)  I am defiling this chatroom by using Windows at it :)
[01:37] <Smegzor> I'll be a while..
[01:37] <Gorth-> I can't seem to make it default to hoary
[01:37] <Gorth-> isn't the syntax APT::Default-Release "hoary"; ?
[01:38] <hansder> is there a way to mount nrg,iso,cue,bin.. images on gnome... like 'mount iso image' for kde (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11577)
[01:39] <Smegzor> hmm..  i don't understand why vnc4server is not showing up when I search the package manager for it.    Its a new motherboard with an AMD64 in it.
[01:40] <aftertaf> hansder:  you asked that before right?
[01:41] <bimberi> Smegzor: yes it does...
[01:41] <bimberi> Smegzor: i'm only sure that it's available for i386
[01:41] <Smegzor> hmm..  i'll try to find its maintainer website.  see what I can find out there..
[01:42] <Smegzor> there is a downloadable package for ia64..  what is that?
[01:43] <daaku> anyone know if its possible to use a linksys wireless router by connecting it to the internet using a wireless connection?
[01:43] <bimberi> Smegzor: try searching at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[01:44] <sepmike> yes daaku if you have enabled remote access
[01:45] <BurgerMann> How do you edit user groups in a shell?
[01:45] <Smegzor> rats.  ia64 is for powerpc aka.  Mac
[01:45] <persia> BurgerMann: `sudo vi /etc/group`
[01:46] <jinroh> xsane 0.9.6, ubuntu 5.0.4, Problem - xsane will not recogonize my scanner.  It only see my tv card.  If I run xsane as root the scanner is recognize; but, xsane recommends that you don't run as root.  My user is a member of the scanner group. Does anyone have any ideas how to correct this problem?
[01:46] <BurgerMann> persia, thx
[01:46] <daaku> sepmike: i guess i should explain more: i have 2 wireless routers, far away, need to connect one to the other so i have wired access at both places (so sort of make one router a client of the other)
[01:47] <bimberi> Smegzor: I wonder if it works with the basic vncserver?
[01:48] <Smegzor> i tried that.  I get "failed to connect to server"
[01:48] <perseo_pi> How can I list the partitions?
[01:48] <Smegzor> qtparted?
[01:49] <bimberi> perseo_pi: sudo fdisk -l
[01:49] <perseo_pi> thanks
[01:50] <sepmike> oh daaku dunno about that
[01:51] <ralph> Am I right in thinking Ubuntu bugzilla bugs don't get much attention whilst they're `unconfirmed'?
[01:52] <Smegzor> this might not work.  I have downloaded vnc4server (the i386 version) and I want to try to install it on my ubuntu64.  I have the .deb package on my desktop.  What do I do now?  I'm a Windows user :)
[01:53] <apokryphos> ralph: I'm sad to say that several bugs I reported didn't get much attention at all in the past.
[01:54] <ralph> There seems to be plenty of bugs that are easy to confirm by a 3rd party but that isn't happening.  I was wondering if something like `kernel janitor/newbies' existed to help with the first round of ubuntu bug analysis.
[01:54] <bimberi> Smegzor: i don't know if it will install but if you want to try: sudo dpkg -i <filename>.deb
[01:54] <Smegzor> thanks
[01:56] <Smegzor> nah it won't because my computer is too awesome for it :)  Its a pity that i386 won't work on amd64
[01:56] <Smegzor> I'll have to wait for the world to catch up..
[01:57] <ralph> Take bug 12168, spelling mistakes in the aspell British English dictionary.  Easy for a B.E. speaker to confirm it's a bug.  But it just sits at unconfirmed as release 5.10 draws nearer.  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12168
[01:58] <ralph> I realise the people fixing the bugs are too busy to confirm them, that's why I wondered if there's a community effort to do so.  People that are too busy to help out apart from the odd five minutes could easy confirm a bug or two a day;  or explain why they're not bugs.
[01:59] <bimberi> Smegzor: my crossed fingers didn't work then :(
[01:59] <scumbo> Smegzor, you might be able to find a built amd64 .deb built for debian
[02:01] <Smegzor> one will turn up eventually.  I'll live with sliding across the desk to the other pc in the meantime.  its such a trial.  It just means I'll have to shoo the wife off to do "important" maintenance stuff.
[02:01] <ralph> Or bug http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14542 about a bug in printf() comes with a simple C test program anyone can try in order to get it out of unconfirmed state.
[02:02] <selinium> Hi all, I am pretty new to this compiling from source stuff. I have compiled a deb for gambas_1.0.8 and it all looked fine.
[02:03] <Puffball> How do you enable the root account?
[02:03] <selinium> But now on install it says dpkg: error processing /home/james/src/gambas-1.0.8/gambas_1.0.8-1_i386.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/gbi', which is also in package gambas-runtime
[02:03] <thenuke> Puffball: why isn't sudo enough :(
[02:03] <thenuke> Puffball: sudo passwd
[02:04] <selinium> Any ideas anyone?
[02:05] <ralph> selinium: apt-get remove gambas-runtime ?
[02:05] <persia> Smegzor: I don't know if it would be compatible with the method described on the wiki, but I used to use tightvncserver to echo a new desktop to export a desktop, and there is a README.inetd in the package that demonstrates another method...
[02:05] <selinium> ralph: i will give it a go!
[02:06] <selinium> ralph: it is not installed. :)
[02:06] <Smegzor> I'm playing with tightvncserver.  it can't find my fonts at the moment..
[02:07] <Smegzor> i'm a bit lost as to what to do about that.
[02:08] <Puffball> thenuke: 'sudo' never really works, it prompts for the root password, which was never set during the install.
[02:08] <scumbo> selinium, if you're brave you could try the --force-conflict on your dpkg line
[02:08] <thenuke> Puffball: it does not ask for root pass
[02:08] <selinium> scumbo: what does that do?
[02:08] <thenuke> Puffball: would that not be a bit stupid if using root was forbidden :)
[02:09] <thenuke> Puffball: so you could not install anything to your own OS and so on ;)
[02:09] <Puffball> well, I have to edit /etc/host, which is owened by root.
[02:09] <thenuke> Puffball: did you already figure it out :) it asks for YOUR password
[02:09] <scumbo> selinium, it allows one package's files to overwrite anothers (which is your immediate problem)
[02:10] <Puffball> thenuke: I've tried everything. Seriously. I've used my password, no password, and all combinations of that, and GNOME will not work correctly unless I add my hostname to /etc/host, which can't be modified unless I use the root account.
[02:10] <selinium> scumbo: Oh, but i do not have gambas-runtime installed, so it should be ok? right?
[02:11] <thenuke> Puffball: sudo passwd definately asks for your passwd too
[02:11] <thenuke> Puffball: so you cannot then even activate the root account itself
[02:11] <Puffball> thenuke: As in, none of the System Tools will start. I'm prompted with a GNOME messaging at boot saying I need to edit /etc/host or the environment may not work properly.
[02:11] <scumbo> selinium, not sure.  There's something wrong.  What do you get if you do a
[02:11] <Puffball> Hmm
[02:12] <scumbo> dpkg -S gambas ?? (S == Search)
[02:13] <selinium> scumbo: not found
[02:13] <selinium> scumbo: nor gambas-runtime
[02:13] <thenuke> Puffball: try reinstalling
[02:13] <vices> how do i get some presets for xmmms's equalizer?
[02:14] <thenuke> Puffball: sounds like bad-install to me if it does not work out of the box
[02:14] <youngcoder> how do i find my netBIOS name of my windows computer?
[02:15] <scumbo> selinium, your package directory must be in some sort of inconsistent state, but it sounds like it'd be OK to use the force flag.
[02:15] <Puffball> thenuke: this is my third install, it always does this :/
[02:15] <thenuke> Puffball: tried different media?
[02:15] <thenuke> your install-cd might be bad
[02:16] <Puffball> I used the CDs I got from Ubuntu's ShipIt system.
[02:16] <selinium> scumbo: i have found that on un-installing gambas_1.0.0 it left a load of other packages. I will remove them and see what happens first. Dont want to break my machine just yet!
[02:16] <thenuke> Puffball: btw, paste your /etc/hosts to me with a priv message
[02:16] <Smegzor> if I want to find out anything about my computer, I run Everest Home Edition. (windows) its free.  I don't know if it will tell you want you want though.
[02:16] <osfameron> Puffball: doesn't mean there won't be a problem :-)
[02:16] <thenuke> Puffball: have you tried the livecd?
[02:16] <osfameron> I ended up getting my colleague to burn one on a x2 setting, which worked
[02:17] <scumbo> selinium, did you include the purge flag when you uninstalled?
[02:17] <Puffball> thenuke: I'm booted into Windows, because I'm doing a dual boot, and I can't configure my wifi card in Ubuntu.
[02:17] <thenuke> Puffball: roger.
[02:18] <selinium> scumbo: yep, but it left lots of gambas-* files. they are on there way out now!
[02:18] <thenuke> Puffball: well, you should try to boot the liveCD sometime too to see if it gives you the same error which I doubt it would..
[02:18] <thenuke> Puffball: then it would be most certain that the install-cd is broken
[02:18] <Puffball> Ah
[02:18] <Puffball> Alright, thanks
[02:19] <scumbo> selinium, dropping left behind from before doesn't explain why dpkg knew which package they were associated with.  Something dodgy's going on there.
[02:21] <selinium> scumbo: After uninstalling the gambas-* files, it installed fine... Strange!
[02:21] <scumbo> selinium, ah well.  Just call it a "Windows moment" and move on :-)
[02:22] <selinium> scumbo: not just yet... It cant find it to execute it...
[02:22] <Puffball> thenuke: in the installation, would keeping the hostname blank help?
[02:22] <selinium> scumbo it is showing as installed on synaptic... strange!
[02:23] <selinium> scumbo maybe I need to +x the file?
[02:23] <thenuke> Puffball: really doubt that, cant you download and burn the install c?
[02:23] <Puffball> thenuke: thats what the third install was :P
[02:23] <thenuke> ah ok
[02:23] <thenuke> then this is a bit too weird for me :)
[02:23] <scumbo> selinium, shouldn't need a +x.  What do you see if you do a dpkg --listfiles <pkg-name>?
[02:24] <Puffball> thenuke: I'll set up a windows router to get my Ubuntu installation online, and I'll return the actual /etc/host result in a few.
[02:24] <BiSK-8> hello
[02:24] <scumbo> selinium, you're looking for the appropriate executable in that list.
[02:24] <BiSK-8> can any1 help me with wine?
[02:24] <thenuke> Puffball: ok
[02:25] <BiSK-8> where do the installed files go with wine?
[02:25] <selinium> scumbo: not installed.....? Aaaargh! :)
[02:25] <GBXtra> hi, got a problem after apt update: kernel panic at bootup (Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow_block(3,1))
[02:26] <GBXtra> does anyone know how to fix this
[02:26] <scumbo> selinium.  Ok, let's recap.  You've built a .deb from source.
[02:26] <podge> BiSK-8, What installed files? The windows programs you installed using Wine?
[02:26] <selinium> scumbo: yep
[02:26] <BiSK-8> podge, yes
[02:26] <scumbo> selinium, you've installed it using "dpkg -i"
[02:27] <podge> BiSK-8, Check out your .wine directory.. which should be in your homedir..
[02:27] <scumbo> selinium, and now, dpkg --listfiles says the same package isn't installed?
[02:27] <glyn> My Windows drive went down, how do I enable writing on it from ubuntu?
[02:27] <selinium> scumbo: yes, but it shows as installed in Synaptic!
[02:28] <BiSK-8> podge, i installed the google video viewer, found the installed files and now how do i get it 2 work?
[02:29] <scumbo> selinium, does synaptic have a list files option? (I don't use synaptic)
[02:29] <mohkohn> I am having problems with OpenOffice.org2. My thesaurus is greyed out. How do I install it and get it working? In British English.
[02:29] <selinium> scumbo: i dont usually! trying to learn all the command line stuff.
[02:29] <podge> BiSK-8, Have you read the wine manual? :) I think you do something like..... wine "C:\Program Files\GoogleViewer\gv.exe"  the path will be different for you..
[02:30] <BiSK-8> ok
[02:30] <BiSK-8> tks
[02:30] <selinium> Yes, i can paste them in the bin. One mo
[02:31] <wickedpuppy> anyone knows how to load a bootstrap from grub menu.lst ?
[02:32] <selinium> scumbo: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1827
[02:33] <scumbo> selinium, looks kinda odd.  /opt/gambas/bin isn't a usual standard package path.
[02:34] <selinium> scumbo: I will try and remove it via synaptic.
[02:34] <scumbo> selinium, if you include /opt/gambas/bin in you shell PATH, you should be able to find gambas.
[02:34] <selinium> scumbo: how would i do that?
[02:35] <scumbo> selinium, depends on your shell.  Are you using bash?
[02:35] <selinium> scumbo: yep
[02:35] <bytefoo> which gambas
[02:35] <elver> When running gcc, why the hell do I get "gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1plus': No such file or directory"? Latest Breezy.
[02:36] <scumbo> selinium, then "PATH=$PATH:/opt/gambas/bin" should do.
[02:36] <scumbo> selinium, after that, just typing gambas should start the program.
[02:38] <selinium> scumbo: Strange things are happening to my system, i cant open a nautilus window. I am gonna reboot. c u in 5
[02:38] <GBXtra> does noone know a solution?
[02:38] <scumbo> selinium, OK.
[02:38] <osfameron> GBXtra: repost the question - it's not visible on this page :-)
[02:39] <GBXtra> hi, got a problem after apt update: kernel panic at bootup (Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow_block(3,1))
[02:39] <elver> Why is GCC in Ubuntu broken?
[02:39] <elver> And who do I smack to get it working?
[02:40] <GBXtra> could have something to do with the kernel update, apt did
[02:40] <GBXtra> btw i am using lilo
[02:41] <osfameron> GBXtra: I have no idea myself :-)  but it might be useful to say which version of kernel you upgraded to, in case anyone here knows of a problem with it?
[02:41] <scumbo> elver, gcc worked for me.
[02:42] <GBXtra> 2.6.10-5-686 and -368
[02:42] <elver> scumbo, right. Why is there no cc1plus on my system?
[02:42] <elver> Also, what package does cc1plus come in? I've tried reinstalling the gcc-related packages, but no luck.
[02:43] <selinium> scumbo: that will teach me for having too many shells open. I have just switched off my remote machine!
[02:43] <scumbo> elver, it should be part of the base gcc package (I'm in front of Debian right now, ubuntu's on my other disk)
[02:43] <scumbo> selinium, too many shells?  Never.
[02:44] <elver> scumbo, I've tried reinstalling those. No luck.
[02:45] <elver> elver@eudaimonia:~/ut/arvutigraafika/praktikum1$ gcc praktikum1.cpp gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1plus': No such file or directory
[02:45] <scumbo> elver, have you installed g++?  That's where it is in Debian and there's a good chance it's there in Ubuntu.
[02:45] <selinium> scumbo: Doh, no wonder i was having 'issues' All fine now!
[02:46] <scumbo> selinium, so what *was* the problem?
[02:46] <elver> Ack. Why isn't it in the gcc package? >_<
[02:46] <scumbo> elver, guess it's the C++ part of the compiler package, not plain C.
[02:47] <elver> "gcc" usually stands for "gnu compiler collection", emphasis on the "collection" part...
[02:48] <selinium> scumbo: I believe it was to do with building bits on different machines, not knowing what was installed where and the like. I just uninstalled and reinstalled and it works fine!
[02:48] <scumbo> elver, I guess that's a package naming thing.  Most people wouldn't want (say) Fortran to be there.
[02:50] <scumbo> selinium, glad to hear it's working.  Working with multiple machines at once can mess with your brain.
[02:52] <selinium> scumbo: it has just occured to me. my remote machine is much quicker than my work station. I think i will do the compiles on that machine. Will that cause any problems?
[02:53] <wickedpuppy> anyone knows how to load a bootstrap from grub menu.lst ?
[02:54] <scumbo> selinium, as usual, it depends.  If you have the same OS on both, compilers, libraries, etc., it'll be OK.  Are you sure you'll need that much speed?
[02:54] <NoHope> hello all
[02:54] <NoHope> ubotu tell me about repos
[02:55] <selinium> scumbo: my work station is an athlon 900, the remote machine is an Athlon 64 3000. I am sure it would be a bit quicker! would it make any difference if the OS was k7 or 636?
[02:55] <spiritz> is it possible to use breezy and kde at the same time using kubuntu repositories for kde?
[02:56] <NoHope> spiritz, I see no problem... but it's beta yet, maybe ubuntu experts can tell you.
[02:56] <bytefoo> " Are you sure you'll need that much speed?" <-- wow, that question should NEVER be asked. ever.
[02:57] <spiritz> NoHope: Actually I just tried with a dist-upgrade but now I get hundred of unmet dependencies :s
[02:57] <scumbo> selinium, different kernel or arch won't matter, but unless you're building something big, or often, Athlon 900 will be fast enough.
[02:57] <scumbo> Oh, I've gone and said it again!
[02:57] <bytefoo> :P
[02:57] <NoHope> spiritz, are you on kubuntu:
[02:57] <bytefoo> but you are right ;D
[02:58] <selinium> lol
[02:58] <spiritz> NoHope: sort of, I was on hoary then I installed kubuntu-desktop.
[02:58] <NoHope> spiritz, same as me. Now you want to use Breezy, right?
[02:58] <selinium> scumbo: cheers for all your help and tips. :)
[02:59] <scumbo> selinium, no worries.  Have fun.
[02:59] <spiritz> NoHope: yep... But each time it messes everything up. What about you ? what are you at?
[02:59] <selinium> why did I spend sooo much time with m$
[03:00] <rouven> hello, all! is there a reason for tetex-extra (which contains koma-script) not being included in ubuntu-desktop in breezy?
[03:00] <osfameron> selinium: because you used it at work, it had good apps and tools, and did most of what you wanted it to do ?
[03:00] <NoHope> spiritz, I'm under ubuntu. At home (I'm at work now) I have downloaded kubuntu-desktop too, but I really prefer gnome.
[03:01] <selinium> osfameron: only because i didn't know there was an alternative. I have been programming since getting a BBC Micro 32k first Christmas years ago. No windows there!
[03:01] <spiritz> NoHope: Hehe.... ok I see. As far as I am concerned I prefer KDE... although I never really tried gnome.
[03:02] <spiritz> NoHope: Under gnome I miss wonderful apps such as amarok akregador etc
[03:03] <osfameron> selinium: heh, I loved the BBC micro.  But then again, I also thought Word6 with wordmacros was mindblowing when I first saw it :-)
[03:04] <NoHope> spiritz, you can use qt apps under gnome. I use skype and umbrello sometimes. But sure kde is more beautiful than gnome.
[03:04] <selinium> osfameron: Basic was the first manual i read. IE with out the computer infront of me. I think that was when I resigned myself that I was a bit of a nerd!
[03:04] <spiritz> NoHope: if it's more beautiful then why do u prefer gnome?
[03:05] <NoHope> spiritz, performance, control.
[03:05] <supernix> has anyone noticed a problem with BBcode in FireFox 1.06 ?
[03:05] <podge> selinium, Amos Basic on the Amiga 500 ruled.. :)
[03:05] <NoHope> spiritz, I didn't tried Gtk vs. Qt yet, but Gtk seems better than Qt.
[03:06] <selinium> podge: I had an amiga later, but i was amazed what a tiny processor and bugger all memory could do!
[03:07] <osfameron> I stayed with Acorn and had an Archimedes (actually an A3000, the cheapo knockoff :-)
[03:07] <podge> selinium, Amiga was 10 years ahead of it's time.. modern day consoles work pretty much the same way as it did.. ie.. custom chips etc..
[03:08] <podge> selinium, I still have my A500 and A1200 upstairs.. I boot them up occassionally for the hell of it..
[03:08] <selinium> podge: indeed.It managed to get much more out of its lower spec chip.
[03:08] <podge> selinium, Is there a Linux port for the Amiga 68000? :)
[03:09] <Determinist> bah, the backports repo on mirrormax is horribly slow :/
[03:10] <selinium> podge: I still have my bbc micro somewhere! I remember a friend using the slot in the top for the 'speech chip' as an ashtray! He also piggy backed a chip onto the ram to increase its brain! real low tech stuff! My watch has a bigger procesor!
[03:12] <podge> selinium, But your watch was never really that much fun... (unless your watch is super cool.. hehe)..
[03:12] <selinium> podge: nope, i lost countless days trawling the galaxy as commander selinium on Elite!
[03:13] <osfameron> the BBC had the best game ever invented: XOR
[03:13] <osfameron> which got ported to PC fairly recently, except without the brilliant music
[03:13] <osfameron> wonder if wine will run it...
[03:14] <selinium> osfameron: elite, chucky egg, fra
[03:15] <osfameron> gah, elite was rubbish on Spectrum 48K.  the copy protection was so difficult to use that you'd spend 10 minutes loading it,
[03:15] <osfameron> fail to work out how to use the lens and tuner and then it would crap out.
[03:15] <osfameron> what's fra?
[03:15] <podge> selinium, My lost days (when young) were spent playing cartridge games on the Vic 20. GORF being the main addiction.
[03:16] <thenuke> ah.. gorf..
[03:17] <podge> thenuke, GORF sounds like some strange Unix command.. like awk, sed, grep etc.. heheh..
[03:17] <selinium> I had the old gamebox thing that you plugged into the tv in had two variacs and played different versions a bat and ball
[03:18] <podge> thenuke, A windows guy at work was having some fun with the three letter unix commands the other day..
[03:18] <thenuke> :-]
[03:19] <thenuke> Awwww.... "what did you say? awk? thought you use windows only"
[03:19] <mumbles> botted up into ubntu for the first tine in 3 /1/2 weeks and theres lots of updates
[03:19] <mumbles> been on holiday
[03:20] <selinium> mumbles: would you rather wait for security patches?
[03:20] <podge> thenuke, He was using the cygwin port... essentially scripting on Windows is braindead with stuff like Cygwin..
[03:20] <[DF2] > it says adsl-start
[03:20] <podge> thenuke, Sorry.. "without stuff like Sygwin"..
[03:20] <[DF2] > it says adsl-start:command not found
[03:20] <[DF2] > can anyone help?
[03:21] <mumbles> selinium,  not complaining but im just glad ive got brodband
[03:21] <selinium> :)
[03:21] <apokryphos> mumbles: just so easy to take it for granted
[03:21] <mumbles> yeh i know
[03:21] <mumbles> i was stuck in africa for 3 weeks
[03:21] <podge> mumbles, The price we pay for Open Source progress.. ! :)
[03:22] <mumbles> what with the powercuts and there dileup crashing most the time :(
[03:22] <podge> mumbles, You could always wait 5 years for the next update to your Windows OS.. ;)
[03:22] <[DF2] > anyone?
[03:22] <podge> mumbles, Africa?
[03:22] <mumbles> yeh... windows sucks
[03:22] <mumbles> yeh The gambia
[03:23] <podge> Has anyone here updated their Hoary to Breezy via apt-get?
[03:24] <apokryphos> podge: I doubt many did it by downloading the ISO somehow ;-)
[03:25] <[DF2] > pls someone
[03:25] <osfameron> how would you take advantage of, say, improvements in hardware detection if you use apt-get ?
[03:25] <osfameron> [DF2] : probably best to ask the question again, can't see what it is without wading through scrollback
[03:25] <podge> apokryphos, Have you updated to Breezy?.. I tried the livecd and it was good..
[03:25] <[DF2] > ive just config all the stuff for pppoe
[03:26] <[DF2] > eciadsl
[03:26] <apokryphos> podge: yes
[03:26] <[DF2] > now i should do adsl-start
[03:26] <[DF2] > but says
[03:26] <twibbler> podge: whats breezy ....
[03:26] <[DF2] > it says adsl-start:command not found
[03:26] <mumbles> right i need to do some work on the windows install now
[03:27] <podge> twibbler, Next version of Ubuntu.. currently in development..
[03:27] <gjoemmie> llo?
[03:27] <twibbler> podge: stable or playful ?... guess playful ...
[03:27] <podge> apokryphos, Did you have any problems after the update?
[03:28] <gjoemmie> Is there anyone who wants to talk to me for 5 minutes about my questions of ubuntu plz?
[03:28] <podge> twibbler, Playful.. :).. of course, everyone should try it out if they can..
[03:28] <nelius> i have a problem with breezy
[03:28] <Ng> gjoemmie: just ask your question, if anyone knows, they will pipe up :)
[03:28] <twibbler> podge thanks must get a play machine ....
[03:28] <apokryphos> podge: a few; you'll be ok if you know what you're doing.
[03:28] <gjoemmie> I want to make a dual boot
[03:29] <gjoemmie> bcuz a friend of mine used this computer with ubuntu
[03:29] <Determinist> is there any way to install a local .deb package using apt-get so that it will download missing packages to satisfy dependencies?
[03:29] <gjoemmie> but i dont understand it, so i wanna dual boot it with windows
[03:29] <nelius> installation of breezy was w.o. problems. but now after the first boot i get no network connections. ifconfig tells me that the interface in setup properly
[03:29] <gjoemmie> how do i dual boot?
[03:29] <podge> gjoemmie, Do you have Windows on the computer already?
[03:29] <gjoemmie> no
[03:29] <gjoemmie> only ubuntu
[03:30] <gustavor> I can't find acroread 7, j2se and w32codes in ubuntu repo. I have restricted, universe and multiverse added to my sources.list. were they recently removed?
[03:30] <gjoemmie> but he gave this laptop to me, but I dont know how to work with it (and i need it tomorrow)
[03:30] <AristoMagnus> !sources
[03:30] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[03:30] <furic> what would be a command line application to play a wav through esd? something light and quick, suitable for system notifications.
[03:30] <AristoMagnus> gustavor: go see that link
[03:30] <gjoemmie> so he just said: try to dual boot with windows, u'll understand
[03:30] <gustavor> AristoMagnus: I already have all this added
[03:30] <AristoMagnus> ok
[03:30] <AristoMagnus> :x
[03:31] <tdn> I have installed Ubuntu and is impressed by it. There is just one thing that bothers me. It is that it seems to be using som generic driver for mig graphics card. I have a GForce2 GTS/Pro. It should be supported.
[03:31] <brownie17> bob2: i finally managed to get smeg working, but there are still problems
[03:32] <brownie17> bob2: like the fact that any changes i make in the damn thing just dont save!!!
[03:33] <brownie17> bob2: for some reason it wont let me make a new menu, it seems to work fine, but it just doesn't make it
[03:33] <tdn> How do I get Ubuntu to use the correct driver for my GForce2 GTS/Pro?
[03:33] <podge> tdn, I thought you had to download and compile the nvidia drivers?
[03:33] <brownie17> aftertaf
[03:34] <brownie17> aftertaf: i am having some problems with smeg, it works fine but it won't let me make a new menu
[03:34] <mindamp> heres a tough one...
[03:34] <furic> thats an nvidia card right tdn?
[03:34] <nelius> i get "no route to host" if i try to ssh a host out in the net
[03:34] <mindamp> whenever i try to apt-get remove or install ANY package... i get an error from dpkg about nagios
[03:34] <mindamp> and teapop
[03:34] <mindamp> which both should not be installed anymore
[03:34] <mindamp> whats going on?
[03:35] <podge> tdn, Also, use Synaptics to search for nvidia related modules..
[03:35] <mindamp> anyone?
[03:36] <furic> You need to install nvidia-glx
[03:36] <podge> mindamp, What is the error?
[03:36] <mindamp> root@beast:/etc # apt-get remove apache
[03:36] <mindamp> Reading package lists... Done
[03:36] <mindamp> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:36] <mindamp> Package apache is not installed, so not removed
[03:36] <mindamp> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 54 not upgraded.
[03:36] <mindamp> 2 not fully installed or removed.
[03:36] <mindamp> Need to get 0B of archives.
[03:36] <mindamp> After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
[03:36] <mindamp> Setting up nagios-common (1.3-0+pre6) ...
[03:36] <mindamp> grep: /etc/apache/httpd.conf: No such file or directory
[03:36] <mindamp> /usr/sbin/apachectl is not executable, exiting
[03:37] <mindamp> /usr/bin/htpasswd: cannot create file /etc/nagios/htpasswd.users
[03:37] <mindamp> dpkg: error processing nagios-common (--configure):
[03:37] <mindamp>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[03:37] <mindamp> Setting up teapop (0.3.7-2) ...
[03:37] <mindamp> /var/lib/dpkg/info/teapop.postinst: line 49: /etc/teapop/teapop.passwd: No such file or directory
[03:37] <mindamp> ERROR: Could not edit /usr/share/teapop/teapop.passwd.in -> /etc/teapop/teapop.passwd
[03:37] <mindamp> /var/lib/dpkg/info/teapop.postinst: line 136: /etc/init.d/teapop: No such file or directory
[03:37] <brownie17>  i am having some problems with smeg, it works fine but it won't let me make a new menu, can anyone help me?
[03:37] <mindamp> dpkg: error processing teapop (--configure):
[03:37] <mindamp>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[03:37] <mindamp> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:37] <mindamp>  nagios-common
[03:37] <mindamp>  teapop
[03:37] <mindamp> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:37] <mindamp> root@beast:/etc #
[03:37] <mindamp> fucking sorry
[03:37] <mumbles> mindamp use pastbin
[03:37] <mindamp> didn't mean to do that
[03:37] <brownie17> PASTEBIN!!!!
[03:37] <tdn> podge, hmm... Should I just download and compile the driver from nvidia.com?  No. I haven't. I am doing that now.
[03:40] <AristoMagnus>
[03:40] <nightswim> because most irc clients suck
[03:40] <mindamp> so can anyone help?
[03:40] <mindamp> http://mindamp.org/error.txt
[03:41] <mindamp> why is that line mucking with nagios.. which shouldn't be installed, and why does apt-get say 2 not fully installed or removed?
[03:41] <mindamp> and how do i fix that?
[03:41] <brownie17> seems like apache allready wasnt installed
[03:41] <brownie17> :)
[03:41] <brownie17> that's allright, i know im a a great help :)
[03:41] <McScruff> lo ,pls help, somehow my storage ext3 partition has been formatted, is there a linux app that can recover it
[03:42] <brownie17> mcscruff: i doubt it, depends on how well it was formatted, how many passes?
[03:42] <mindamp> uhmmm... im not asking about the apache part
[03:42] <Juhaz> sounds like you, or something else, has been mucking around with those files outside package management
[03:42] <mindamp> well i was using dplg
[03:42] <brownie17> mindamp: it's allright, i've got no idea anyway
[03:42] <mindamp> er dpkg
[03:42] <mindamp> but how do i fix that?
[03:42] <znh> hello
[03:42] <McScruff> brownie, i dont even recall doing it, i think a suse install raped it so it would have been 1
[03:43] <apokryphos> mindamp: you used dpkg to install?
[03:43] <mindamp> instead of getting trolled could i get some help with this
[03:43] <mindamp> it was a mistake
[03:43] <mindamp> i was high
[03:43] <brownie17> McSruff: i guess you're best bet is to try synaptic, all the smart people seem ot be not listening right now
[03:43] <apokryphos> mindamp: who said that was a troll?
[03:43] <apokryphos> mindamp: if you did instlal with dpkg, then remove with dpkg
[03:43] <McScruff> i found an app but its a windows app :(
[03:43] <znh> I've installed samba, but I'd like to change the servers description.. it's currently Samba 3.0.10-Ubuntu
[03:44] <mindamp> hmmm
[03:44] <mindamp> ill try that
[03:44] <apokryphos> mindamp: man dpkg
[03:44] <OneSeventeen> I'm trying to use a nautilus script that uses the "sudo" command, but it won't work.  (non-sudo scripts work though)  Is there something I need to do to make them work?
[03:44] <brownie17> Mcsruff: what i want to know is, WHY IN GOD'S NAME WERE YOU TRYING TO DITCH UBUNTU!?
[03:44] <mindamp> remove dpkg?
[03:44] <mindamp> or uninstall with dpkg
[03:44] <podge> McScruff, Was it a quick format?
[03:44] <apokryphos> mindamp: uninstall with dpkg, of course. man dpkg
[03:44] <mindamp> her
[03:44] <mindamp> Yes, do as i say!
[03:45] <McScruff> podge, tbh i have no idea, as i didnt ask for it to be done
[03:45] <mindamp> apokryphos... i tried to uninstall nagios with dpkg
[03:45] <brownie17> i'm going to bed, it's 12am here!
[03:45] <mindamp> but it says its not installed
[03:45] <znh> brownie17: have fun :)
[03:45] <brownie17> znh: :)
[03:46] <apokryphos> mindamp: go to the .deb you tried to install it with, and do dpkg -r {package}.deb
[03:46] <podge> McScruff, Can you still boot into Linux? or it is really bad?
[03:46] <apokryphos> mindamp: or dpkg --purge even better
[03:46] <mindamp> apokyruphos.. i did have a .deb to install it with
[03:46] <mindamp> i don't even remember really using the command
[03:47] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell mindamp about tab
[03:47] <McScruff> podge, it was a storage hdd
[03:47] <mindamp> hah
[03:47] <mindamp> apokryphos, when i try to purge nagios it says its not installed
[03:47] <podge> McScruff, So you can still boot into Linux.. which helps..
[03:47] <McScruff> yep
[03:47] <podge> McScruff, Did you do any Google searching for Linux recovery tools?
[03:47] <McScruff> but an app i found needs windows
[03:47] <rodietze> hi dudes
[03:47] <McScruff> im googleing now
[03:47] <apokryphos> mindamp: with the same deb you tried to install it with? Ok, then it's apparently not installed.
[03:48] <McScruff> and hav been for a few mins
[03:48] <apokryphos> mindamp: ...not with tha .deb, anyway.
[03:48] <mindamp> apokryphos, i didnt have a .deb
[03:48] <McScruff> im gonna try wine
[03:48] <apokryphos> mindamp: geh
[03:48] <mindamp> apokryphos, no its GAY
[03:48] <apokryphos> mindamp: how exactly did you use dpkg to install it then...
[03:48] <apokryphos> mindamp: no, it's not gay. :)
[03:48] <mindamp> apokryphos,  i don't think i did
[03:49] <mindamp> apokryphos,  thats why im confused as to why whenever i use apt-get i get that message about dpkg teapop, and nagios
[03:49] <BiSK-8> hello
[03:49] <rodietze> how to get all packages from ubuntu without being by FTP, coz it always stops suddenly
[03:49] <osfameron> ooo, nautilus++ # adding an smb share adds it to the Places menu
[03:49] <mindamp> apokryphos,  which IS gay
[03:49] <podge> McScruff, Windows utilities generally won't know about ext3 filesystems..
[03:49] <apokryphos> mindamp: please don't use that term to describe things being negative.
[03:49] <BiSK-8> how can i get my ipod 2 work on ubuntu?
[03:50] <mindamp> apokryphos,  sorry.. didn't mean to offend you :-)
[03:50] <apokryphos> mindamp: so what's the problem as it stands, that you can't remove apache/
[03:50] <mindamp> apokryphos, not.. i can use apt-get fine...
[03:50] <mindamp> however it always says that sh*t dpkg always says that sh*t about nbagios and teapop
[03:51] <McScruff> podge, this is a windows app that is for recoverying ext2 and ext3
[03:51] <mindamp> that was strange..
[03:51] <twibbler> Now can anybody help me with setting up a link to a samba server please....
[03:51] <mindamp> i meant it always says that crap about nagios and teapop
[03:51] <mindamp> whenever i use apt
[03:52] <osfameron> gnome-- # ffs, why can't you magically open a document from samba?
[03:53] <podge> McScruff, Yeah..? What is it called?
[03:53] <mindamp> twibbler.. what does that mean?
[03:53] <mindamp> a link from windows or linux to the samba server...
[03:53] <infinito> can someone help me configuring alsa?
[03:53] <mindamp> and do you mean a share/mount or what?
[03:53] <mindamp> smbmount
[03:53] <mindamp> man smbmount
[03:53] <twibbler> I have a samba server which I want to setup alink from my laptop to ... so I can play with the files ...
[03:53] <tdn> podge, I have now installed the nvidia package. What do I do now?
[03:54] <wijnand> does anyone here use gutenprint?
[03:54] <tdn> podge, should it just work?
[03:54] <twibbler> mindamp: ubuntu to fedora 3
[03:54] <podge> tdn, As far as I know, you have to restart X?
[03:54] <mindamp> twibbler... man smbmount
[03:54] <mindamp> i wish someone would help me with my problem
[03:54] <tdn> podge, I have tried that. No difference.
[03:55] <twibbler> mindamp: thank you going to install the man docs now ...
[03:55] <mindamp> twibbler... one sec
[03:55] <mindamp> ill pull the exact command for you
[03:55] <McScruff> podge http://www.stellarinfo.com/linux-data-recovery.htm
[03:56] <McScruff> is there a way to get vmware to use my storage hdd as a "real" drive?
[03:56] <apokryphos> mindamp: have you tried doing a sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[03:56] <tdn> podge, shouldn't I be able to see the driver being loaded if I do a dmesg |grep -i nvidia?
[03:57] <mindamp> twibbler.. just install smbmount and run the command
[03:57] <mindamp> it has examples
[03:57] <twibbler> mindamp: thank you ....
[03:57] <mindamp> apokryphos,  i don't wanna configure it, i wanna remove it :-)
[03:58] <apokryphos> mindamp: err, I know. =)
[03:58] <podge> tdn, When you ran glx-gears do they run fast?
[03:58] <mindamp> apokryphos, it says some errors about teapop
[03:58] <mindamp> which shouldn't be installed
[03:58] <mindamp> so i am going to remove the teapop stuff from /var/lib/dpkg/info
[03:58] <tdn> podge, doesn't have glx-gears
[03:59] <tdn> podge, Oh. Yes I have. glxgears even.
[03:59] <mindamp> apokryphos, hah! i removed the teapop stuff in /var/lib/dpkg/info and now when i run " dpkg --configure -a " it says setting up teapop....
[03:59] <mindamp> WTF
[03:59] <tdn> podge, it says: ``Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".'' and ``glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.''
[03:59] <apokryphos> mindamp: yes, another broken package installation it seems...
[04:00] <apokryphos> mindamp: let it install and then remove it *properly* with apt
[04:00] <mindamp> ill try that
[04:01] <apokryphos> did you install debian packages or something? Could've happened from you stopping dpkg while it's installing, improperly, I guess.
[04:01] <mindamp> apokryphos,  thats prolly what happend
[04:03] <podge> tdn, So you have all of the nvidia packages installed?
[04:03] <Mustafa^^> hello
[04:03] <podge> tdn, and I think you are right.. you might need to reboot of manually load the kernel modules for the driver to work..
[04:03] <Mustafa^^> How to mount Hp Photosmart 735 camera?
[04:04] <tdn> podge, I have installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings. I do not have installed the nvclock packages for overclocking.
[04:04] <qt2> might someone reccomend a good dvd authoring program for linux?
[04:04] <tdn> podge, Ok. If I reboot now. How do I load the driver manually?
[04:04] <tdn> podge, I also do not have installed nvidia-kernel-source. Should I?
[04:04] <podge> tdn, What about linux restricted modules etc?
[04:05] <Kyral> sudo modprobe <module>
[04:05] <tdn> podge, no. Not the restricted modules. Should I install them?
[04:05] <podge> Does anyone else here have an nvidia graphics card?
[04:05] <Mustafa^^> Help me
[04:05] <Mustafa^^> How to mount Hp Photosmart 735 camera?
[04:06] <Kyral> Plug it in
[04:06] <Kyral> should automount...I think..
[04:06] <Mustafa^^> It doesnt work
[04:06] <Kyral> My Canon Powershot worked :D
[04:06] <apokryphos> ...especially in kde
[04:06] <Kyral> have you installed gphoto?
[04:06] <Mustafa^^> I am using Kubuntu
[04:06] <jatos> hi
[04:07] <CCFIEL> does anybody here know where to get a gaim-vv ( with webcam support )? :)
[04:07] <Kyral> !info gaim-vv
[04:07] <jatos> try gaim.sourceforge.net
[04:08] <jatos> and look uder plugins
[04:08] <podge> tdn: Not sure.. trying to find a help page on the Internet.
[04:08] <tdn> podge, Ok. Thanks.
[04:08] <podge> tdn, nvidia-kernel-common installed?
[04:08] <jatos> but I think you will find that kopete has what you want
[04:08] <CCFIEL> jatos: what do you mean kopete support webcam?
[04:09] <jatos> I beleive kopete messenger supports webcams
[04:09] <apokryphos> jatos: only svn, currently.
[04:09] <apokryphos> 3.5 will
[04:10] <tdn> podge, Yes. nvidia-kernel-common is installed.
[04:10] <CCFIEL> apokryphos: what do you mean i need to compile..
[04:10] <CCFIEL> ?
[04:11] <apokryphos> I mean you'd have a big hassle for it, yes.
[04:11] <jatos> anyone in this room used crossover office
[04:11] <podge> tdn, This might interest you.. http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[04:11] <CCFIEL> ic..i dont like to compile it..:( just want to apt-get.. :)
[04:13] <tdn> podge, ok. Thanks.
[04:13] <podge> tdn, They are specific instructions for Ubuntu and Nvidia drivers..
[04:16] <Jejjo> hallo
[04:16] <apokryphos> aloha
[04:16] <tdn> podge, yeah I see. I'm trying them now. Thanks.
[04:17] <Jejjo> hi i have a problem accessing shared folder on xp pro from ubuntu. i'm asked for autentication request
[04:18] <Jejjo> if i enter user plus password it doesnt work
[04:18] <Jejjo> is anubody here?
[04:19] <podge> Jejjo, Did you set a password on the XP share?
[04:19] <wijnand> does anyone here use gutenprint?
[04:19] <Jejjo> podge, yep
[04:19] <meeep> heya. how do i get sound to VLC, had the same prob with BMP, but changed output to esound. any cle?
[04:20] <podge> Jejjo, Are you using smbclient? Or something else?
[04:20] <Jejjo> podge, sorry. no. no password on the share. i entered the password of the machine i want to log on but it doesn't seem to work
[04:20] <osfameron> Jejjo: is your username the same on that machine ?
[04:20] <tdn> podge, it worked! Thanks!
[04:21] <tdn> podge, the page is now bookmarked :)
[04:21] <podge> meep: Preferences, Audio... then click the Advanced Options box.. then change the Audio Output Module...
[04:21] <podge> tdn, Good news! :)...
[04:21] <Jejjo> podge, i 've tried surfing from net resources ( i have it in italian but it should be that) i can surfe the share but i can't copy or move files. the user name is the same
[04:22] <podge> Jejjo, Have you checked "allow users to modify my files" on the XP box?