[03:58] <fruggle> hi folks! Is this http://www.tmtm.org/cgi-bin/w3ml/sylpheed/msg/24429 going to be fixed in warty release?
[03:58] <cens0red> Flonne mysql, checkinstall, just off the top of my head.
[03:58] <lamont> cens0red: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ is the top of the tree...
[03:58] <Flonne> cens0red, just point a web browser at the FTP address of the repository you want to look at.
[03:58] <cens0red> thanx.
[03:58] <lamont> cens0red: I was thinking you wanted to see what was in it, vs grabbing biniaries to play with
[03:58] <cens0red> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ is the top of the ftp archive for binary distributions?
[03:59] <libben> wonders how much more we need to update for it..
[03:59] <libben> hmm
[03:59] <libben> im tipping 100 mb
[03:59] <Flonne> Yes, cens0red. That's the main mirror.
[03:59] <Wyld> howdy guys .. got a question .. i want to run bitchx in console, but would rather the console be in 50x25 mode .. any assistance in how to do this?
[03:59] <cens0red> lamont I use mandrake. It's the only distro I've ever used. I hate installing stuff from source, so I'm very very binary package/repository dependent.
[04:00] <lamont> libben: I think you'll find that once you finish any upgrade started within the last 20 hours or so, there won't be much difference for packages in main if you do it again...
[04:00] <Flonne> cens0red, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/ Have fun exploring.
[04:00] <FenixRF> dcraven, pardon my absences...
[04:00] <libben> lamont, true.
[04:00] <dcraven> FenixRF, not a problem dude :)
[04:00] <libben> ive been updating this every 4 times atleast
[04:00] <FenixRF> dcraven, ok... I used apt-get to get fakeroot and gcc
[04:00] <lamont> cens0red: ok.  What I pointed you at was the list of packages that are built/etc... for the repository, you'll want to start at archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, and  look under pool
[04:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, good stuff.. heh. Now maybe "make deb" will work.
[04:01] <lamont> libben: it's been a busy week, you see...
[04:01] <black_Nightmare> hey there..hard hardware modification question for you.....
[04:01] <FenixRF> dcraven... I also didn't have the headers installed... but there was a package with them... so I brought them in
[04:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, so far so good dude.
[04:01] <FenixRF> dcraven, now, I also ran make deb ... so I have two .deb files
[04:01] <libben> a busy and a good week
[04:01] <lamont> black_Nightmare: if you let the smoke out, the parts don't work any more...
[04:01] <cens0red> lamont ta.
[04:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, right on.
[04:01] <FenixRF> dcraven, what's next?
[04:01] <black_Nightmare> if i find a used slimline cdrom in good running condition -- could it withstand the usual road shocks and still keep a cdr playing?
[04:01] <black_Nightmare> lamont :)) very funny
[04:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, Okay. Do a "sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper-utils-whatever.deb"
[04:02] <lamont> black_Nightmare: that's really more of a manufacturer question...
[04:02] <dcraven> FenixRF, then a "sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper-modules-whatever.deb"
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> also aside to that question..any idea about stuck a cdr to a laptop tray permamently?
[04:02] <lamont> alot of current CD readers are reasonably bounce proof, although they may wind up slowing down their read speed
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> like keep it held down that is
[04:02] <lamont> ew
[04:02] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, back
[04:02] <FenixRF> dcraven, k... I'm in a sudo -s session at the moment... so I'll skip the sudo parts :)
[04:02] <lamont> it has to spin, you see, so what you really want is to attach it to hte part of the drive that doesn't come out for you to play wityh
[04:02] <cens0red> does apt-get give u a description of all the packages in your repositories? As well as tell you which packages you need to install as their dependencies?
[04:02] <dcraven> FenixRF, good call.
[04:03] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, anything else that i should do? as of now, still no sound
[04:03] <lamont> cens0red: if you're just trying to fetch a file to look at, that'd be dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[04:03] <Flonne> Yes, cens0red. It will describe anything you search for and handle dependencies.
[04:03] <xophEr> just compiled a new kernel, but this is what I get when trying to run it: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) , whats wrong?
[04:04] <cens0red> Flonne thanx.
[04:04] <lamont> otherwise, if you've actually done apt-get update, then you can say apt-cache show or apt-cache search to look at the packages file
[04:04] <cens0red> lamont ok
[04:04] <CarlK> xophEr - good chance you don't have support for the / file system
[04:04] <casimir> xophEr, you need the module for your filesystem on boot
[04:04] <cens0red> I might install this on another partition.
[04:04] <lamont> cens0red: actually, when you tell apt to install something, it just installs the dependencies (after checking with you)
[04:04] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: need amixer output again
[04:04] <lamont> rather than telling you that you have more work
[04:04] <occy> anyone here use qemu?
[04:04] <FenixRF> dcraven, I tried to use ndiswrapper -i previously from the binaries that were in the ndiswrapper source...
[04:04] <Flonne> And if it exists for Drake, it almost certainly exists for Ubuntu. Especially common things like MySQL.
[04:04] <libben> what do i get when i install boot:base? debian base or what?
[04:05] <cens0red> lamont yeah sounds like exactly what I'm used to.
[04:05] <occy> need a good one-liner to get winxp booted
[04:05] <FenixRF> dcraven, when I do a ndiswrapper -l , it shows an invalid windows driver ... how can I blow that away?
[04:05] <casimir> xophEr, mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd /lib/modules/[kernel-version]
[04:05] <lamont> cens0red: good
[04:05] <dcraven> FenixRF, "rm -rf /etc/ndiswrapper"
[04:05] <black_Nightmare> lamont -- ty I was wondering about running an os off cdrom drive (and it STAYS put inside the slimline tray too heh)
[04:05] <lamont> libben: you mean when you type 'server' to the boot: prompt in the install?
[04:05] <FenixRF> dcraven, very good... and when I install the windows driver... use the XP one?
[04:05] <black_Nightmare> then perhaps used CF or something for external/setting storage
[04:05] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/268698
[04:05] <QMario> How do I install a Windows printer driver onto a Linux computer on the network?
[04:05] <libben> oooh.. was it server =) thought it was base =)
[04:05] <libben> lamont, yes
[04:05] <lamont> black_Nightmare: CF might be better
[04:05] <black_Nightmare> a mechanical-less system that is
[04:05] <dcraven> FenixRF, we aren't done witht he modules yet... Slow downdude.
[04:05] <libben> server =)
[04:05] <dcraven> hehe
[04:06] <lamont> libben you get ubuntu-base and it's depenencies
[04:06] <jbm__> my windows machine seems 2 times as fast now that i have it running RAID 0, I sure do wish that you could do that in linux!
[04:06] <cens0red> lamont one problem might be tht I'm on dialup. Will I have to spend days/weeks downloading stuff?
[04:06] <black_Nightmare> lamont.. CF has eeprom doesn't it?  or is the r/w limit not as bad as I am thinking it is?
[04:06] <libben> so is that better then debian plain install ?
[04:06] <lamont> cens0red: install iso is ~600MB give or take
[04:06] <FenixRF> dcraven, hehe... ok... what's next with the modules...
[04:06] <lamont> black_Nightmare: CF is pretty good these days
[04:06] <FenixRF> dcraven,  ... I've already modprobed them in :)
[04:06] <dcraven> FenixRF, the install path in the ndiswrapper.spec file we used to build the .debs was incorrect by default so we need to fool the kernel into thinking the module is in the right place.
[04:06] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: ok, for 1.0.8 you need to turn External Amplifier and Headphone Jack Sense both on
[04:06] <lamont> black_Nightmare: likewise, most laptop harddrives these days are pretty car-proof
[04:07] <cens0red> lamont yeah but my last mandrake install came on 5 disks, and I still had to download 350 meg + in updates. :/
[04:07] <lamont> libben: apt-cache show ubuntu-base
[04:07] <dcraven> FenixRF, "modprobe -r ndiswrapper". You loaded the old modules.
[04:07] <Flonne> cens0red, you can order CDs, or just bug a friend to download/burn it for you.
[04:07] <black_Nightmare> lamont...hmm guess you might have a point....
[04:07] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: and Master Mono off
[04:07] <lamont> cens0red: depends on what you want...  see http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds
[04:07] <Flonne> cens0red, wait until tomorrow; the release should be fine as is.
[04:07] <lamont> the ship, desktop, and base seeds are all on the 1 iso
[04:07] <jbm__> apt-get raid-0 ????
[04:08] <cens0red> Flonne what gets released tomorrow? Hoary?
[04:08] <lamont> black_Nightmare: my car-computer is going to have a harddrive
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> well I'm going to bed now..quite a bit tired
[04:08] <grahamoz> anyone tryed ubuntu linux its awesome
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> bye now :p
[04:08] <lamont> cens0red: hoary gets released in a few hours
[04:08] <lamont> although the archive is not expected to change much
[04:08] <cens0red> lamont this must be exciting!!
[04:08] <lamont> == 0
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> lamont..I dunno about my idea at all yet..not sure if it'll be actually in-board or not..whatever but then thanks for your tip.
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> bye :p
[04:08] <lamont> cens0red: hectic
[04:08] <FenixRF> dcraven, brb ...
[04:08] <dcraven> FenixRF, first backup the original module just because it's a good idea.. "mv /lib/modules/2.6.whatever/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko ~/
[04:08] <lamont> black_Nightmare: np
[04:08] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done
[04:09] <lamont> cens0red: if gnome, linux 2.6.10, and xorg are what you want, there's almost nothing you need to install beyond the original iso.
[04:10] <dcraven> FenixRF, then make a symlink to the new module that is installed in the wrong place "ln -s /lib/modules/2.6.whatever/misc/ndiswrapper.ko /lib/modules/2.6.whatever/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko"
[04:10] <lamont> cens0red: likewise, shipit.ubuntu.com, and you can get CD's shipped to you
[04:10] <lamont> albeit in a week or 10
[04:10] <dcraven> FenixRF, long paths, simple commands :)
[04:10] <fsapo> anyone could make me a favor? see if it is acessible: http://xgn.no-ip.org:8080
[04:11] <lamont> cens0red: and if you're downloading off of dialup, you'll want to wait for the release announcement to go get the release ISO, rather than fetching the RC - there were, um, a few MB of changes...
[04:11] <lamont> for pretty-sizable-for-dialup-users values of 'few'
[04:11] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done, still no sound from totem, xmms, etc..
[04:11] <dcraven> FenixRF, obviously you have to change the "whatever" part of those commands to match your running kernel :)
[04:12] <lamont> fsapo: either 'no', or very, very, very slow
[04:12] <bur[n] er> anyone else have issues with update-notifier not showing hte system tray applet?  it comes up quick, then disappears
[04:13] <fsapo> lamont, thanx.. i dont know how i can manage higher ports than 1024 to be accessible
[04:13] <Obsidians> I've seen on some of the starter guides that I should install the Linux kernel image appropriate for my computer. I've got an Athlon XP-M, and I think that I currently have the -386 kernel installed. Basically, whatever came on the cd. What should I do?
[04:13] <dcraven> bur[n] er, update-notifier does have weird habits... I just assume that I'm not familiar with what it does yet.
[04:13] <marcin_ant> hi all
[04:14] <marcin_ant> I got short question
[04:14] <marcin_ant> where shoud I put additional parameters for hdparm?
[04:14] <marcin_ant> to enable them on system start?
[04:14] <bur[n] er> heh, thanks dcraven... i wish its habits weren't crashing the icon ;)
[04:14] <dcraven> marcin_ant, /etc/hdparm.conf
[04:14] <fsapo> lamont, could u try it again.. http://xgn.no-ip.org change the port to 80 but i think it is blocked =/
[04:15] <cens0red> ]  <lamont> cens0red: and if you're downloading off of dialup, you'll want to wait for the release announcement to go get the release ISO, rather than fetching the RC - there were, um, a few MB of changes... // how long do u reckn?
[04:15] <fruggle> Obsidians: what about 686 ;)
[04:15] <CarlK> what do I need to init.d/something start to get mount -t nfs to work?  (it seems kinda hung right now)
[04:15] <lamont> cens0red: ??
[04:16] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, you there?
[04:16] <FenixRF> dcraven, ok
[04:16] <FenixRF> dcraven, modules are moved...
[04:16] <CarlK> huh - it finished after about 2 min
[04:16] <Obsidians> fruggle: So I go to that, not K7? And how do I do that? Can I just do it in Synaptic?
[04:16] <FenixRF> dcraven, when I try to modprobe the new module... I get an error inserting the module ... Operation Not Permitted
[04:16] <lamont> fsapo: still no joy
[04:16] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, in xmms, when i use alsa plugin, it shows two cards, hw:0,0 and hw:0,4
[04:17] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, but if i do a amixer -c4 there is nothing
[04:17] <lamont> cens0red: few hours.
[04:17] <dcraven> FenixRF, does "lsmod | grep ndiswrapper" show anything?
[04:17] <FenixRF> dcraven, nope
[04:17] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, you there?
[04:18] <fruggle> Obsidians: linux-image-686 should be fine ... sorry dont know anything about >synaptic<.
[04:18] <dcraven> FenixRF, hmmm..
[04:18] <dcraven> FenixRF, gimme a minute?
[04:18] <FenixRF> dcraven, I noticed that when hotplug was loading up ... abour 4 or 5 modules had the same error when inserting
[04:19] <marcin_ant> dcraven: hmm and what about /etc/rcS.d/S07hdparm?
[04:19] <FenixRF> s/abour/about
[04:19] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: what does /proc/asound/cards contain?
[04:19] <Obsidians> fruggle: Alright, can I just "apt-get install linux-image-k7"? Is that all I have to do to change kernels?
[04:19] <fsapo> lamont, thanx.. just one last try =/ can u try it: http://xgn.no-ip.org:1000
[04:19] <lamont> Obsidians: that and reboot, of course.
[04:19] <dcraven> marcin_ant, rename it to S42hdparm.
[04:20] <[HK] -r00t-> one card
[04:20] <Obsidians> lamont: Alright, thanx. I'll give it a shot!
[04:20] <lamont> fsapo: sorry... no joy
[04:20] <fruggle> Obsidians: yes and maybe modify /boot/grub/menu.lst ... if you want to
[04:20] <fsapo> lamont, :( yesterday that port was working
[04:20] <lamont> fruggle: it should just wind up showing a list
[04:21] <dcraven> FenixRF, maybe the driver needs to be loaded with "ndiswrapper -i whatever.inf" first... Try that.
[04:21] <marcin_ant> dcraven: and.... add options in this file?
[04:21] <lamont> that is, the default grub shows all the kernels
[04:21] <|QuaD-> does ubuntu come wiht a vnc viewer?
[04:21] <dcraven> marcin_ant, no. You just added the options to /etc/hdparm.conf correct?
[04:21] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, it shows hw:0,0 the ICH4 i8x0
[04:21] <fsapo> lamont, turned of the firewall.. can u refresh it? http://xgn.no-ip.org:1000
[04:21] <marcin_ant> not yet
[04:21] <FenixRF> dcraven, k
[04:21] <marcin_ant> dcraven: not yet
[04:21] <dcraven> marcin_ant, renaming that file just changes the order in which things are done in the boot sequence.
[04:21] <lamont> |QuaD-: vino is in main
[04:22] <lamont> and installed by default
[04:22] <|QuaD-> isn't that a server?
[04:22] <marcin_ant> dcraven: ok I'll try and will see
[04:22] <marcin_ant> dcraven: thx for now
[04:23] <scottj> "You system has opengl version '1.2 Mesa 6.2.1'. Glest needs at least version 1.3 to work." Synaptic says I have the latest xlibmesa-dri, but I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing or if I have to change xorg.conf to enable DRI. anyone know?
[04:23] <|QuaD-> lamont: isn't that a server?
[04:23] <blacklabel> how long til hoary stable?
[04:23] <FenixRF> dcraven, jackpot :)
[04:23] <fruggle> blacklabel: couple of hours?
[04:23] <lamont> |QuaD-: doh.  xvncviewer
[04:23] <lamont> same story
[04:23] <FenixRF> now all I have to do is remember my wep key :)
[04:23] <blacklabel> ok
[04:23] <dcraven> marcin_ant, it works ;). Edit the /etc/hdparm.conf file accordingly and rename the /etc/rcS.d/ file to a higher priority.
[04:23] <|QuaD-> lamont: is it installed by default?
[04:24] <dcraven> FenixRF, cool. So the module is loaded, and "ndiswrapper -l" looks fine?
[04:24] <lamont> yes
[04:24] <FenixRF> dcraven, yep
[04:24] <|QuaD-> lamont: ok :)
[04:24] <dcraven> FenixRF, right on. Now do a "ndiswrapper -m" to make init entries so that the module will load automagically at boot.
[04:26] <CrashTECH> <-- score
[04:26] <FenixRF> dcraven, did that already
[04:27] <CrashTECH> for anybody who saw me lastnight... installing Horay fix'd all my hardware issues, I even have sound
[04:27] <FenixRF> dcraven, creating the wlan0 profile now ... brb ... will need quick instruction on how to update ubuntu once I have network connectivity :)
[04:27] <lucychili> nice crash =)
[04:28] <dcraven> CrashTECH, glad to hear it !
[04:28] <mathmatt> how do you determine a specific process ID (PID) from the terminal.  I try using top, but I can't find a way to view processes that don't fit on the screen.
[04:28] <dcraven> FenixRF, you know what you are doing more that you are admitting methinks :)
[04:28] <scottj> anyone have the url of the page where you can search ubuntu packages for a file?
[04:29] <dholbach> mathmatt: ps afx
[04:29] <FenixRF> dcraven, I use Gentoo Linux ... I know my way around Gentoo, Slack, LFS, and RH/FC ... but I've never used Debian in my life ... nor Ubuntu
[04:30] <mathmatt> dholbach: thanks!
[04:30] <TwEeT> hey
[04:30] <dcraven> FenixRF, bah... You'll find it easy. I used Gentoo for over 2 years untill ~two weeks ago.
[04:30] <dcraven> well maybe a month...
[04:30] <TwEeT> Is there a way that I can mount a SMB share at bootup that doesn't have a password?
[04:31] <frank> anyone know how to make mplayer resize video? I make the window bigger but the video stays the same size?
[04:31] <TwEeT> Is there an option where i can tell it not to use a user or password?
[04:31] <TwEeT> in fstab?
[04:32] <fruggle> dcraven: dont you like gentoo anymore? ;)
[04:32] <dholbach> TwEeT: man mount -> smbfs section
[04:32] <ctrlER> will Ubuntu 5.04 be available for download at 00:00 or later in the day? (I wanna now if I should go to sleep or wait...)
[04:32] <Psoulocybe> hi guys
[04:32] <Psoulocybe> i'm having a problem where firefox is just crashing my system
[04:32] <lamont> ctrlER: in what TZ?
[04:32] <Psoulocybe> anyone else have this problem before?
[04:32] <scottj> anyone know how to get mesa 1.3 on ubuntu?
[04:33] <ctrlER> im in portugal, but im watching the foruns time
[04:33] <dcraven> fruggle, I do love Gentoo, but my habits changed and now Debuntu suits better I think.
[04:33] <ctrlER> lamont: portugal=UTC
[04:33] <fruggle> dcraven: yes i know what you are talking about though ;)
[04:34] <dcraven> ctrlER, I'd get some sleep if I were you.
[04:34] <lamont> ctrlER: I don't precisely know
[04:34] <lamont> sleep is always good
[04:34] <lamont> and the torrents will be running hard for a good long time
[04:34] <Arnia> dcraven: Nice term 'debuntu'
[04:34] <ctrlER> lamont: thanks
[04:34] <dcraven> ctrlER, there will still be some left when you get up :)
[04:34] <awb4422> When I try to play dvd's, I get an error related to not having rights to /dev/hda (my dvd drive). This used to work actually, but it stopped recently. Any ideas as to what I can do to give rights to my user?
[04:34] <dcraven> Arnia, hehe.. Thanks.
[04:35] <ctrlER> lamont: where are the torrent links?
[04:35] <lamont> might even be the right ones...
[04:35] <dcraven> Arnia, beats 'Debian/Ubuntu'.
[04:35] <lamont> they'll be on releases.ubuntu.com
[04:35] <lamont> and mentioned prominantly in the release announcement
[04:36] <dcraven> Those torrents are gonna be smokin' for the next couple of days... haha
[04:36] <lamont> awb4422: check what group it put /dev/hda in - should be 'cdrom'
[04:36] <FenixRF> dcraven, ok... I seem to have hit a roadblock
[04:36] <lamont> and you'd want to be in that group in /etc/group
[04:36] <dcraven> FenixRF, Nooo!
[04:36] <awb4422> lamont: how do i check that
[04:36] <lamont> applications->system tools->terminal
[04:36] <lamont> ls -l /dev/hda
[04:36] <lamont> grep cdrom: /etc/group
[04:37] <SiRrUs> good evening
[04:37] <FenixRF> dcraven, I have the profile created for wlan0 ... I entered in the wep key ... I placed my hosts name in a hosts file ...
[04:37] <ctrlER> btw, ubuntu forums and developers use the forum time as "official time"?
[04:37] <FenixRF> dcraven, it says that it's active ... but I don't have network connectivity
[04:37] <lamont> ctrlER: dunno what the forum uses, but I use "data-center time" == London
[04:37] <dcraven> FenixRF, you did "dhclient wlan0" or "ifup wlan0"?
[04:38] <lamont> ctrlER: since that's the TZ on all the machines I work on...
[04:38] <Obsidians> I'm trying to use grubconf, and it always says "wrong password". What's going on?
[04:38] <awb4422> lamont: the first command showed that /dev/hda is in the disk group, which my user belongs to. The second command showed the cdrom group, which my user belongs to
[04:38] <ctrlER> :) we use the same TZ then...
[04:38] <lamont> awb4422: and the permissions on the file were -rw-------, yes?
[04:38] <pfr> i installed the first stage of ubuntu 4.1 on a proliant3000 server and upon reboot with no media installed i get a non-system disk error.  is there a switch to get lilo to boot to scsi drives?
[04:38] <lamont> first column
[04:39] <dholbach> Obsidians: i strongly discourage you from using it, users reported it broke their configuration
[04:39] <awb4422> lamont: brw-rw----  1 root disk 3, 0 2005-04-07 14:59 /dev/hda
[04:39] <lamont> hrm.. if you're in the disk group, you should be able to open the device
[04:39] <FenixRF> dcraven, ifconfig wlan0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> up
[04:39] <woodwizzle> i have a big problem: I've installed a buncha SDL-dev packages that I need to compile a program from CVS. However when running the ./configure I get warnings saying all the packages are present but unusable.  How do you get Mesa to use opengl 1.3 not opengl1.2?
[04:39] <FenixRF> dcraven, route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:39] <FenixRF> :)
[04:40] <dholbach> Obsidians: that's why the hoary release won't have it anymore
[04:40] <dcraven> FenixRF, that smile mean it worked?
[04:40] <dcraven> FenixRF, obviously you aren't a wireless newb :)
[04:40] <FenixRF> dcraven, nope ...
[04:41] <FenixRF> umm... ubuntu is hung trying to ntp to ubuntu time server
[04:41] <FenixRF> (I did a reboot)
[04:41] <pagefault> press ctrl-c
[04:41] <lamont> woodwizzle: what does config.log say?
[04:41] <dholbach> FenixRF: seems you have no network
[04:41] <dcraven> FenixRF, did you get a connection before you rebooted?
[04:42] <dcraven> FenixRF, cause you don't have one now.
[04:42] <dcraven> FenixRF, check dmesg for errors with the ndiswrapper module.
[04:43] <FenixRF> dcraven, no...
[04:43] <woodwizzle> lamont: what should I be looking for?
[04:43] <fruggle> FenixRF: ctrl+c while trying to ntp ubuntu time server ;)
[04:43] <FenixRF> ... can ping myself just fine...
[04:44] <FenixRF> ... but get Destination Host Unreachable when trying to ping the AP
[04:44] <FenixRF> fruggle, or let it time out while talking to dcraven :)
[04:44] <fruggle> FenixRF: yeah lol
[04:44] <FenixRF> dcraven, doesn't appear to be any errors
[04:44] <dcraven> FenixRF, sounds like the hardware at least is kinda maybe working though.
[04:46] <lamont> woodwizzle: dunno... down towards the end of the file will be the failed step, from there it's "figure out why it's mad"
[04:46] <lamont> :-(
[04:46] <FenixRF> dcraven, yeah... I'll agree... the onlything that wlan0 complains about is the lack of IPv6 routers
[04:46] <dcraven> FenixRF, mine does the same I beleive.
[04:46] <lamont> woodwizzle: config.log is where all the detail for the very terse configure output goes
[04:47] <dcraven> FenixRF, so "iwlist wlan0 scan" shows no results?
[04:47] <woodwizzle> lamont: well there is this for all the SDL packages: checking SDL.h usability... no
[04:47] <woodwizzle> checking SDL.h presence... yes
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING: SDL.h: present but cannot be compiled
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING: SDL.h:     check for missing prerequisite headers?
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING: SDL.h: see the Autoconf documentation
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING: SDL.h:     section "Present But Cannot Be Compiled"
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING: SDL.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING: SDL.h: in the future, the compiler will take precedence
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING:     ## ------------------------------------------ ##
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING:     ## Report this to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>##
[04:47] <billyoc> hoo boy
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING:     ## ------------------------------------------ ##
[04:47] <dcraven> Oh my.
[04:47] <FenixRF> dcraven, ok... I'll try that out
[04:48] <daniels> woodwizzle: please don't paste quite so much
[04:48] <dcraven> woodwizzle, pastebin.com
[04:48] <woodwizzle> sorry. Thought that amount would be ok. I'll use #flood from now on
[04:48] <TwEeT> Does anyone know how to have a script run at boot
[04:48] <woodwizzle> There is the same set of warnings for ALL the sdl packages that are required.
[04:49] <FenixRF> dcraven, "No scan results"
[04:49] <woodwizzle> i find it odd that they are located but unusable.
[04:49] <lamont> woodwizzle: there's going to be a cc invocation somewhere around there taht has actual gcc errors :)
[04:49] <Cueball> Hi. All my system fonts on this PC are way too large. Any way to fix this? On my other PC it's fine. Both run Hoary
[04:49] <billyoc> TwEeT: a symlink in /etc/rc2.d/ will run it.
[04:50] <billyoc> TwEeT: start it with a 'S'
[04:50] <TwEeT> What do you mean start it with an S?
[04:50] <dcraven> FenixRF, the rest is beyond me. This exactly happens to me every time I install ndiswrapper and I still don't know how I fix it.. heh
[04:51] <dcraven> FenixRF, I just play with iwconfig settings now. Maybe see if you can connect if you disable MAC filtering or WEP at the router?
[04:51] <FC-tooki> what are the system requirements of ubuntu???
[04:51] <FenixRF> was just going to do that
[04:51] <dcraven> dcraven, you are allowing that MAC to connect right? haha
[04:51] <woodwizzle> hmm, may have found the problem "g++: command not found"
[04:51] <dcraven> woodwizzle, install build-essential
[04:52] <lamont> FC-tooki: my daughter has it on a 333MHz box with 128MB of RAM - but she puts up with a bit of swapping...
[04:52] <woodwizzle> although I have ubuntus g++ 3.3
[04:52] <billyoc> TwEeT: look at all the other symlinks in /etc/rc2.d, they start with a capital S.
[04:52] <RastaMahata> hello
[04:52] <woodwizzle> dcraven: ok thanks, I'll try that!
[04:52] <FC-tooki> i have 64 of ram... is too low??
[04:52] <lamont> woodwizzle: definitely want build-essential installed
[04:52] <lamont> FC-tooki: it'll probably run, but please don't complain that it's slow... :-(
[04:52] <FC-tooki> lol, thanks
[04:52] <samuel> how do i configure the sudoers file to make it ask for the root password whenever admin rights are required?
[04:53] <woodwizzle> Ah, I thought installing gcc and automake would do it. Wasn't priv to Ubunutu's package. Thanks!
[04:54] <libben> how can i check what i have  installed? in redhat i would type rpm -qa
[04:54] <EvilIdler> woodwizzle: gcc is just the C frontend - you need g++ and a few libs it depends on
[04:54] <lamont> dpkg -l
[04:54] <FenixRF_> ok ... what are the chances that another driver is blocking?
[04:54] <EvilIdler> libben: dpkg -l | grep ii
[04:54] <FenixRF_> dcraven, I seem to remember ubuntu trying to load the ACX 100 driver ...
[04:54] <FenixRF_> ... which doesn't have WEP support
[04:54] <lamont> EvilIdler: well, if you just want the happily installed stuff
[04:55] <dcraven> FenixRF, hmmm.. as a module? You know what it's called?
[04:55] <FenixRF_> dcraven, no ... but lsmod might help
[04:55] <EvilIdler> lamont: Yeah, it felt like that's what libben meant ;)
[04:55] <dcraven> FenixRF, probably acx100
[04:55] <Obsidians> When I try to play MP3s in XMMS, it freezes. They work fine in Xine.
[04:55] <Obsidians> What's wrong?
[04:56] <lamont> EvilIdler: I'm personally more likely to do dpkg -l | grep -v ^rc, but that's just me...
[04:56] <libben> lamont, =) what more would i want =)
[04:56] <dcraven> FenixRF, my stock config does have CONFIG_ACX100=m, so it's quite possible.. haha
[04:56] <FenixRF_> dcraven, how 'bout acx_pci ... sound close enough?
[04:56] <lamont> libben: the first two characters are the status of the package...
[04:56] <libben> and if ur sure on the name. dpkg -l ii
[04:56] <dcraven> FenixRF, sounds good to me.
[04:56] <EvilIdler> lamont: Well, I do the weekly dpkg -l | sort |less, followed by various purges :)
[04:56] <libben> u mean the ii ?
[04:56] <TwEeT> Are there any wireless guides out there?
[04:57] <libben> ii  cksfv          1.3-3          sfv checker and generator
[04:57] <libben> so ii tells me its installed
[04:57] <TwEeT> And are there any good programs such as Zero Configuration in Windoze?
[04:57] <libben> what would it tell me if it wasnt installed..
[04:58] <FenixRF_> k ... brb ...
[04:58] <lamont> libben: dpkg -l just lists packages that are installed, or partially installed
[04:59] <lamont> dpkg -l <package> gives you the status of a package
[04:59] <lamont> s/a pacakge/<package>
[04:59] <EvilIdler> -l will also show those that HAVE been installed (un)
[04:59] <EvilIdler> Plus lots of inbetweens
[05:00] <libben> Man i love having my xchat on 6000 scroll lines... and then log the channel =) and cat ~/.xchat2/logs/#ubuntu.log | grep libben /// so that u can check what uve asked and got answered all day.
[05:01] <FenixRF_> dcraven, still alive?
[05:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, barely.. haha That was the righ module btw.. acx_pci.
[05:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, well the wrong module actually.
[05:01] <FenixRF_> ok... I unloaded it... still b0rked
[05:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, you know what i mean.
[05:02] <samuel> is there any way to change all the gksudo to gksu in the menus or get sudo to ask for the root password?
[05:02] <FenixRF_> how do I permanently unload the beast...
[05:02] <Obsidians> Why isn't MPlayer in Synaptic?
[05:02] <samuel> short of deleting gksudo and symlink to gksu?
[05:02] <dcraven> FenixRF, now that is a Debuntu thing I still need to find out myself.
[05:02] <dcraven> FenixRF, there is no modules_autoload it seems.
[05:03] <dcraven> FenixRF, well there is /etc/modules, but not all modules go in there.
[05:04] <FenixRF_> can use slocate to find it and remove it :)
[05:04] <dcraven> FenixRF, that's cheating though.
[05:04] <Hackmo> hey all, can anyone help with my gaim and firefox problem
[05:05] <PacoBCN> hi guys
[05:05] <^thehatsrule^> lo
[05:05] <PacoBCN> probably you all are too busy with the release thingy but I have a problem which is driving me crazy...
[05:05] <PacoBCN> USB mass storage device
[05:05] <Tsuroerusu> Hey guys, how's Hoary commin' ? Any unfortunate delays in the horizon?
[05:05] <PacoBCN> somehow it doesn't want to mount the ext3 partition at boot
[05:05] <PacoBCN> any help?
[05:06] <robitaille> Tsuroerusu,  no...it should be release in a few hours
[05:06] <casimir> PacoBCN, any useful output from dmesg?
[05:06] <blahrus> anyone know how to set mplayer to use esd?
[05:06] <Se7h> hey there
[05:07] <blahrus> because its trying to use alsa and crashing (hoary amd64)
[05:07] <dcraven> FenixRF, check out /etc/hotplug/blacklist.. I think there is the ticket.
[05:07] <Se7h> was w32codecs changed?
[05:07] <toresbe> blahrus: -ao esd
[05:07] <blahrus> thanks!
[05:07] <toresbe> blahrus: no prob :)
[05:07] <toresbe> blahrus: a more final solution to the problem is to edit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf or whatever it is
[05:07] <PacoBCN> casimir, nothing I understand, at least :(
[05:07] <Hackmo> hey, i'm having a few segmenation faults with GAIM and firefox.  Any chance they will be fixed when the final release of hoary comes out?
[05:07] <blahrus> toresbe: THANKYOU!
[05:08] <toresbe> blahrus: a pleasure
[05:08] <scott> anyone know what's up with Mesa version #s? I apparently have the latest version, 6.2.1, but when I do glxinfo it gives me "1.2 Mesa 6.2.1"  What does the 1.2 mean? is that the opengl version #? how do I get 1.3?
[05:08] <PacoBCN> casimir, http://pastebin.ca/9069
[05:08] <blahrus> toresbe: sadly I still have to use mplayer, gst lags and choppy, vlc on amd64 is a bit messed
[05:08] <dcraven> Hackmo, segmentation faults? That sounds serious, and there is little chance that they will be changed in the repository before release now.
[05:08] <toresbe> blahrus: Hell, I *love* mplayer
[05:09] <robitaille> Hackmo,  if it's broken now, it will be broken in Hoary :(
[05:09] <toresbe> robitaille: uh, "no"
[05:09] <PacoBCN> casimir, the weird thing is that if I "mount -a" it it will be mounted
[05:09] <toresbe> Hackmo: try filing proper bug reports...
[05:09] <toresbe> Hackmo: that stuff Shouldn't Happen (tm)
[05:09] <Hackmo> dcraven, robtiaille: that sucks then, it only started happening since I upgraded to hoary and I seem the be the only one having the problem
[05:09] <Hackmo> toresbe: ok will do
[05:10] <toresbe> Hackmo: great :)
[05:10] <blahrus> toresbe: now I can't fullscreen it  . . . .
[05:10] <toresbe> blahrus: then the -vo is to blame :)
[05:10] <toresbe> blahrus: for some reason they've managed the ultimate silliness of using -vo x11
[05:10] <toresbe> blahrus: it's slow and unscaleable - you most likely want -vo xv
[05:11] <toresbe> or "vo=xv" in the file
[05:11] <toresbe> Hackmo: However, random segfaults are indicative of bad HW
[05:11] <toresbe> Hackmo: tried memtesting?
[05:12] <pakkiri> how do I switch back to XFree86?
[05:12] <Hackmo> toresbe: nope, how would I go about doing that?
[05:12] <blahrus> toresbe: gosh this is why I love ubuntu
[05:12] <blahrus> toresbe: thanks man
[05:12] <toresbe> blahrus: no prob :)
[05:12] <pakkiri> I don't know if it's hoary or X.org which is screwing up firefox
[05:12] <pakkiri> I get those frames when I minimize or maximize
[05:12] <toresbe> Hackmo: at the "Press ESC for boot menu" - do that, then there's a memtest program
[05:13] <toresbe> I don't have any problems with my firefox
[05:13] <l0st> pakkiri: just installed hoary today and firefox and x.org seem to work fine
[05:13] <blahrus> Hackmo: running hoary correct?
[05:13] <Hackmo> toresbe: ok thanks, yeah i've asked around and I seem to be the only one having the problem
[05:13] <pakkiri> l0st: it used to work fine when I installed it
[05:13] <Hackmo> blahrus: yes
[05:14] <toresbe> Hackmo: np :)
[05:14] <blahrus> Hackmo: i386 or amd64?
[05:14] <Hackmo> blahrus: i386
[05:14] <l0st> pakkiri: what frames are you talking about?
[05:15] <pakkiri> when u minimize something
[05:16] <dcraven> pakkiri, like the window "animation"?
[05:16] <pakkiri> the way minimize actually works is the coordinates of the borders are changed..
[05:16] <pakkiri> what animation?
[05:16] <dcraven> pakkiri, you are in GNOME?
[05:16] <pakkiri> yep
[05:17] <libben> anyone used Gnome bluetooth?
[05:17] <dholbach> what doesnt work?
[05:17] <dcraven> pakkiri, if you want to lose the minimize frames, it might just be a matter of setting /apps/metacity/preferences/reduced_resources to true in gconf-editor.
[05:18] <dcraven> pakkiri, that is, assuming we are talking about the same frames.
[05:18] <pakkiri> hmm I'm not sure
[05:18] <delltony> question i have seen on the forums and mailing list that you can insert the warty disk and type server or custom and install a bare minimum install for servers. I would like to do this however here is my question. I have already installed warty on the system and would rather not reinstall. is there a command to get rid of all the gdm and other things that custom doesn't install  i simply want to run icewm and apache2 php and mysql t
[05:18] <delltony> hats pretty much it
[05:18] <dcraven> dcraven, give it a shot. If not, it's pretty easy to revert the change :)
[05:19] <FenixRF> ok
[05:19] <dcraven> FenixRF, wb.
[05:19] <FenixRF> Link=100 Signal=0 ESSID=off/any
[05:20] <FenixRF> the right WEP key is there... everything looks ok... except for the fact I can't see my AP
[05:20] <pakkiri> dcraven: thanks
[05:20] <libben> anyone used Gnome bluetooth?
[05:20] <dcraven> pakkiri, was that the ticket?
[05:20] <dcraven> pakkiri, and no problem.
[05:20] <FenixRF> dcraven, thanks for the wb... had to reconfigure my AP
[05:20] <dholbach> libben: I already asked you: what is the problem? what doesnt work?
[05:20] <pakkiri> I'm updating firefox; I haven't tested it yet
[05:20] <pakkiri> that very well could b
[05:21] <pakkiri> I have a P-III 850 with 256Meg
[05:21] <dcraven> FenixRF, not to insult you, but do you have MAC filtering on?
[05:22] <dcraven> pakkiri, well setting that gconf key to true like I said wouldn't hurt on that machine anyways.
[05:22] <pakkiri> dcraven: yeah I did that
[05:22] <dcraven> pakkiri, that does several things in metacity like wireframe moving of windows etc.
[05:22] <pakkiri> are there other ways that I can cut down on the eyecandy
[05:22] <dcraven> pakkiri, fluxbox :)
[05:23] <toresbe> Get:28 http://no.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main festival 1.4.3-16 [859kB]
[05:23] <toresbe> what the hell!?
[05:23] <toresbe> why does "kde" depend on "festival"?!
[05:23] <dcraven> pakkiri, you ever try xfce?
[05:23] <pakkiri> no dcraven
[05:23] <pakkiri> gnome used to work good in warty
[05:23] <Riddell> toresbe: for text to speach I presume
[05:23] <dcraven> pakkiri, you might like it. It's kinda gnomeish, but much more lightweight.
[05:23] <FenixRF> dcraven, I did, but had the MAC registered... I have since turned it off.
[05:23] <dcraven> FenixRF, okay.
[05:24] <whal3> was wondering if anyone can help with xcompmgr and gnome-panel, I start it as the first process of the gnome-session and still get the shadow
[05:24] <woodwizzle> does ubuntu handle links any differently than other distros?
[05:24] <toresbe> Riddell: *dumb look*
[05:24] <pakkiri> how painful is the install?
[05:24] <woodwizzle> by links i mean the ln kind not the URL kind
[05:24] <dholbach> toresbe: kde-extras -> konq-speaker -> festival
[05:24] <dcraven> pakkiri, "apt-get install xfce4"
[05:25] <libben> hmm
[05:25] <dcraven> woodwizzle, not that I've noticed.
[05:25] <libben> anyone had any succes on getting blutetooth working?
[05:25] <blahrus> toresbe: what the diff over x11 or xv?
[05:25] <toresbe> blahrus: well, x11 is a generic thing that works on all drivers
[05:26] <dcraven> pakkiri, www.xfce.org if you want to check it out first.
[05:26] <toresbe> blahrus: xv is hardware-accelerated
[05:26] <pakkiri> hmm I might not have enough diskspace
[05:26] <woodwizzle> dcraven. I'm supposed to run autogen.sh when I'm done checking out CVS. This is supposed to make a lot of softlinks to Makefile.in.in. I tried making said links mysefly but ./configure still hangs as if the links don't exist. If i COPY the files to where the link is supposed to be the ./configure can read them
[05:26] <blahrus> toresbe: got it, so because I have a nvidia card I can us vo . . . . logical
[05:26] <hybrid> hello all
[05:27] <toresbe> blahrus: I have no freaking idea why they had "vo x11 " as standard. that's rediculous
[05:27] <Riddell> toresbe: which accusations?
[05:27] <dcraven> woodwizzle, wouldn't it be easier to just run autogen.sh?
[05:27] <toresbe> Riddell: *dumber look*
[05:27] <woodwizzle> dcraven I DID run autogen.sh but it failed to create said links
[05:28] <dcraven> woodwizzle, I think your problem probably lies elsewhere.
[05:28] <woodwizzle> and if I try and do it myself the fail to which leads me to believe that ubuntu is handling links incorrectly or something
[05:28] <FenixRF> ok... I'm going to bed :(
[05:28] <woodwizzle> s/the/they
[05:28] <FenixRF> I'll try again tomorrow
[05:28] <dcraven> woodwizzle, what was the project you checked out? I can try it here. Could be a problem with their build scripts.
[05:28] <FenixRF> night
[05:28] <FenixRF> dcraven, thanks :)
[05:28] <dcraven> FenixRF, okay. Cheers dude.
[05:28] <woodwizzle> dcraven: Wesnoth CVS
[05:28] <toresbe> FenixRF: nightie
[05:29] <libben> wich window manager is the bomb?
[05:30] <Misogynist> Whichever one suits your computer usage habits best.
[05:30] <libben> gnome is good.... xfce is good. fluxbox also good. =)
[05:30] <woodwizzle> dcraven:  http://wesnoth.slack.it/?WesnothCVS
[05:30] <Burgundavia> libben: whatever is best for you
[05:30] <Destructo> fluxbox is the best
[05:30] <Destructo> end of story
[05:30] <membreya> KDE 0wns :)
[05:30] <libben> dont really care.
[05:30] <libben> i just want a nice gui
[05:30] <Misogynist> KDE isn't a window manager :o
[05:30] <dcraven> woodwizzle, checking out now.
[05:30] <akk> fvwm or icewm
[05:31] <membreya> Misogynist: there's kdm ...it counts :P
[05:31] <dcraven> libben, define "bomb".
[05:31] <Arnia> metacity is going to rock once they start moving patches from luminoscity
[05:31] <libben> u can get the same look with all windows manager
[05:31] <membreya> I'm still waiting for someone to properly emulate OSX :P
[05:31] <dcraven> libben, twm is good.
[05:31] <hybrid> Arnia: what is so great about luminocity?
[05:31] <Destructo> hey iom trying to helpo one of your users.. does ubuntu have a program to toggle between WM .. and in freebsd i edit .xinitrc  is that the same in ubuntu, and where is it linked to ?
[05:31] <libben> I dont see one mention Gnome in here
[05:31] <libben> why is it gnome in there for default? =)
[05:32] <hybrid> Arnia: i heard it is like longhorn for linux and that is scary
[05:32] <mico> hello, how do i add support for curses programming in ubuntu?
[05:32] <whal3> Metacity is the gnome WM
[05:32] <dcraven> libben, GNOME is not a wm.. Metacity is GNOME's wm.
[05:32] <dcraven> woodwizzle, thanks for making me checkout a MASSIVE cvs repo... lol
[05:32] <libben> tired... ?=)
[05:32] <dcraven> woodwizzle, still going.
[05:32] <libben> tell me like i dident now shit
[05:32] <Arnia> hybrid: It's moving the compositing and rendering process for windows onto the graphics card.
[05:32] <woodwizzle> dcraven: lol sorry :)
[05:32] <libben> GDM== loggin in screen
[05:33] <libben> WM !=?
[05:33] <whal3> WM = Metacity
[05:33] <woodwizzle> dcraven: if it works for you you'll most likely enjoy it a great bit
[05:33] <daniels> could we please not argue WMs here?
[05:33] <libben> what is metacity... new word for me
[05:33] <Arnia> hybrid: It's intended to work with the new GTk cairo/glitz backend
[05:33] <Destructo> gnome is a WM .. what else do you think it is
[05:33] <libben> they tell me Metacity is Gnomes WM or womething
[05:33] <libben> tired.
[05:34] <Arnia> hybrid: It includes some fairly nifty stuff (such as making windows 'give' a bit when you move them like real objects do... apparently it feels far more natural)
[05:34] <lamont> Destructo: gnome provides session management and a bunch more beyond just simple "window manager"
[05:34] <dcraven> Destructo, no.
[05:34] <hybrid> Arnia: wow
[05:34] <membreya> Arnia: a computer..feeling natural ..lol
[05:34] <etzerd> Hello guys
[05:34] <lamont> libben: the default window manager in gnome is metacity
[05:34] <dcraven> woodwizzle, worked here dude.
[05:34] <hybrid> does anyone know when the breezy repos will be ready?
[05:35] <lamont> hybrid: we're gonna worry about that after the release
[05:35] <Destructo> dcraven sorry .. no whatc?
[05:35] <dcraven> woodwizzle, is build-essential installed?
[05:35] <dcraven> Destructo, no, GNOME is not a window manager.
[05:35] <dcraven> brb
[05:35] <lamont> there is a little bit of pre-opening testing that we want to do before we start syncing breezy
[05:35] <Destructo> dcraven what is it
[05:35] <lamont> Destructo: it's a desktop
[05:35] <hybrid> lamont: so will it be a long time; like total new packages; or a short time; like moderate updates?
[05:35] <etzerd> can someone tell me if release 5.04 will be   out tomorrow
[05:36] <samuel> is there any way to change all the gksudo to gksu in the menus or get sudo to ask for the root password?
[05:36] <lamont> hybrid: we stopped blindly syncing sid at the end of december
[05:36] <woodwizzle> dcravem: yup
[05:36] <samuel> short of deleting gksudo and symlink to gksu?
[05:36] <libben> so i want theme for gnome? i download metacity theme?
[05:36] <libben> or what
[05:36] <hybrid> lamont: what do you mean blindly syncing?
[05:36] <lamont> hybrid: so when it opens in a week or 2, it'll be a major bunch of new stuff (up to current sid), with more delay for any package that we modified, since we have to at least review the merge
[05:36] <hybrid> ok
[05:37] <lamont> hybrid: up until "upstream version freeze" (==2004.12.28 for hoary), packages from sid sync into the archive every day
[05:37] <Destructo> libben try themes.org
[05:37] <hybrid> lamont: ok thank you
[05:37] <lamont> if there's a ubuntu-change, then someone gets to review the diff, and upload
[05:37] <lamont> when breezy opens, expect chaos there for a week or 3, then reasonable stability for a development release
[05:37] <xMaximex> libben, install gnome-themes package
[05:38] <hybrid> lamont: lol i like chaos; if we are talking about the same kind. it keeps me busy hacking away to fix something
[05:38] <xMaximex> what is the best cd/dvd burning software ?
[05:38] <membreya> k3b ;)
[05:38] <lamont> hybrid: yeah
[05:39] <hybrid> kool
[05:39] <PacoBCN> xMaximex, if you don't want to use kde libs you can choose between graveman and gnomebaker
[05:39] <delltony> question if i wanted to list all the installed packages i have using the command line don't i use dpkg?
[05:39] <xMaximex> PacoBCN, okay .. one is better than the other ?
[05:39] <PacoBCN> delltony, you can always use synaptic
[05:40] <delltony> command line ;)
[05:40] <PacoBCN> xMaximex, I'm pretty happy with both
[05:40] <xMaximex> ok
[05:40] <PacoBCN> xMaximex, you will choose between 2 different layouts, I guess
[05:40] <dcraven> Destructo, GNOME is I guess a DE, or a Desktop Environment.
[05:40] <jbm__> anyone here ever install ubuntu on RAID 0?
[05:40] <delltony> i'm not running gdm or kdm i'm running flux thats why i was asking
[05:40] <Destructo> right
[05:40] <hybrid> lamont: is the release still tomorrow?
[05:40] <a2t3> Destructo: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/|grep list
[05:40] <a2t3> Destructo: sorry
[05:40] <lamont> hybrid: I sure hope so. :-)
[05:41] <lamont> yes
[05:41] <upgrdman_> How do I install Kino in ubuntu/debian? i'm new to ubuntu, and have never used deb or deb-based distros before. i know kino is available for ubuntu because of http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/graphics/kino, but how do i install it?
[05:41] <a2t3> delltony: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/|grep list
[05:41] <delltony> thanks
[05:41] <Destructo> dcraven i9 understand now
[05:41] <lamont> upgrdman_: synaptic can do it for you
[05:41] <PacoBCN> upgrdman_, it's in the repos, dude
[05:41] <hybrid> lamont: ok we have had alot of people in here lately in response to the hoary release
[05:41] <dcraven> upgrdman_, easiest way is to use 'synaptic'.
[05:41] <upgrdman_> ok
[05:41] <PacoBCN> upgrdman_, sudo apt-get install kino
[05:41] <upgrdman_> i tried searching with synaptic for kino, and got no results
[05:41] <lamont> upgrdman_: what PacoBCN said if you like command lines
[05:42] <upgrdman_> E: Couldn't find package kino
[05:42] <lamont> it's in main...
[05:42] <Burgundavia> upgrdman_: it is there
[05:42] <lamont> which architecture are you on?
[05:42] <dcraven> upgrdman_, if you want a gui, then in the GNOME menus, System --> Administration --> Synaptics Package Manager
[05:42] <Arnia> hybrid: so, yes, I'm quite keen on seeing more of luminoscity in metacity. It will make the whole desktop smoother (and they've found a clever trick to make that even better)
[05:42] <upgrdman_> x86... 2GHz celeron
[05:42] <libben> anyone in here uses this ? sudo hdparm -m <your MaxMultSec value> /dev/hda
[05:42] <kakalto> where's the wiki for upgrading to hoary?
[05:43] <hybrid> Arnia: wo and who is doing this?
[05:43] <Arnia> hybrid: When resizing a window, the border will only move when the app has finished redrawing for the new size
[05:43] <upgrdman_> dcraven, i know about synaptic... but when i search for kino with syn. it gives no results... does it not have a db or something yet?
[05:43] <kakalto> anyone?
[05:43] <hybrid> o_0
[05:43] <Arnia> hybrid: Red Hat
[05:43] <dcraven> lamont, in synaptic, is that what the little ubuntu symbol means? That it's in main?
[05:43] <membreya> upgrdman_: kino is there, check your repo's
[05:43] <Burgundavia> upgrdman_: do you use ppc or amd64?
[05:43] <hybrid> Arnia: wow thats a surprise
[05:43] <Destructo> dcraven thanks man...
[05:43] <Burgundavia> dcraven: correct
[05:43] <Arnia> hybrid: It works like double buffering does. Its actually slower, but it feels faster
[05:43] <dcraven> Destructo, no sweat.
[05:43] <hybrid> Arnia: will it be free in all sense?
[05:43] <lamont> dcraven: uh... you're assuming that I've ever run synaptic
[05:43] <Destructo> oh.. whats the command to view all packges installed so that one can del multiple ones
[05:43] <upgrdman_> Burgundavia, neither... x86
[05:44] <dcraven> Burgundavia, cool. I always wondered that, thanks.
[05:44] <Arnia> hybrid: Yes... its just a development branch of metacity
[05:44] <Burgundavia> upgrdman_: I see it
[05:44] <upgrdman_> membreya, how... im new to ubuntu/deb
[05:44] <Burgundavia> upgrdman_: you running warty or hoary?
[05:44] <dcraven> lamont, yep. Poor assumption apparently :)
[05:44] <kakalto> where's the wiki for upgrading to hoary?
[05:44] <lamont> dcraven: I'm more of a command line kinda guy
[05:44] <Arnia> hybrid: Its just there so they don't break metacity whilst playing with these new pieces
[05:44] <upgrdman_> hoary
[05:44] <hybrid> oh
[05:44] <libben> anyone in here uses this ? sudo hdparm -m <your MaxMultSec value> /dev/hda
[05:44] <Destructo> slackware has pkgtool
[05:44] <hybrid> how do i install a them for gnome?
[05:45] <hybrid> **theme
[05:45] <libben> or hdparm -c 3 /dev/hdb
[05:45] <libben> anyone ?tryed to speed up the io interface to the hds ?
[05:45] <Arnia> hybrid: Open the theme manager and drag the archive onto the window
[05:45] <woodwizzle> hybrid: gnome supports just dragging the theme into the theme manager AFAIK
[05:45] <hybrid> ok
[05:45] <hybrid> Arnia : ty
[05:45] <kakalto> anyone??
[05:45] <upgrdman_> Burgundavia, hoary
[05:45] <membreya> upgrdman_: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:45] <upgrdman_> thx
[05:46] <libben> can i enable 32 bits I/O to my dvd-burner/reader? and harddrives?
[05:46] <kakalto> hello???
[05:46] <george_> what is the best C compiler for ubuntu?  and why didn't it come installed with one?  did I do something wrong?
[05:46] <Burgundavia> kakalto: I don't know if there is one
[05:46] <dcraven> Arnia, have you toyed with Luminocity at all? It's quite fun for a short while :)
[05:46] <kakalto> there is, I was linked to it this morning
[05:46] <Burgundavia> kakalto: hmm
[05:46] <hybrid> george_: gcc compiles c i believe
[05:46] <kakalto> it's just that I didn't have time to look at it
[05:46] <jbm__> anyone know what raid is
[05:47] <hybrid> jbm__like a hdd
[05:47] <libben> jbm__, www.google.com
[05:47] <george_> hybrid: does it come installed with ubuntu/gnome?  or do I have to download it separately?
[05:47] <libben> can i enable 32 bits I/O to my dvd-burner/reader? and harddrives?
[05:47] <hybrid> george_: go to the command line and type gcc
[05:47] <jbm__> libben thats the most useless thing anyone ever told me
[05:47] <lamont> george_: not installed by default, but on the CD
[05:47] <Arnia> dcraven: I wish I could... I'm using a radeon 9700 mobility though :(
[05:47] <membreya> george_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:47] <jbm__> anyone ever put ubuntu on a raid 0 array?
[05:47] <kakalto> what's the text-based mp3 player?
[05:47] <hybrid> jbm__ : there is two kind of raid
[05:47] <lamont> yep.
[05:48] <RastaMahata> mp3blaster
[05:48] <lamont> apt-get install build-essential if you plan to build stuff
[05:48] <Burgundavia> hybrid: there are actually 6 (or 7), but never mind
[05:48] <jbm__> yes i know lots about raid
[05:48] <kakalto> RastaMahata, you talking to me?
[05:48] <RastaMahata> yeah
[05:48] <kakalto> thanks
[05:48] <hybrid> Burgundavia: o_0
[05:48] <jbm__> having trouble getting ubuntu installed on my raid 0 however, i have windows already
[05:48] <Arnia> dcraven: the level of elasticity they've given to the windows in the shots is fun, but a little silly. They must like playing with them at that level :)
[05:48] <dcraven> kakalto, is this what you mean --> http://tinyurl.com/5sqos
[05:48] <RastaMahata> i use that and irssi and links to make installations more... friendly to me ;)
[05:49] <libben> anyone tried this ? and know if its a good thing to do? sudo hdparm -m <your MaxMultSec value> /dev/hda
[05:49] <libben> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24416
[05:49] <kakalto> dcraven, yeah, thanks
[05:49] <libben> i ment to post that
[05:49] <libben> not the sudo thing
[05:49] <dcraven> Arnia, yeah good for testing, but not very practical. The way it was set when I tried it, the windows never actually did stop moving even when at rest.
[05:49] <dcraven> kakalto, no prob.
[05:50] <george_> thanks so much!
[05:51] <dcraven> Arnia, and you'd be surprised how fun it is with even poor 3d hardware... You can make the windows smaller. There is a good walkthrough to get it going on the Gentoo forums.
[05:51] <jbm__> so anyone here ever install ubuntu on raid? i need to know install driver before partiotion!!
[05:51] <dcraven> jbm__, never here dude.
[05:51] <Arnia> dcraven: Well, they're turning it down for the merge I believe. And its an original and good idea
[05:51] <Arnia> dcraven: When I saw the videos I just went 'ah... that's why windows always felt so clunky and harsh'
[05:52] <dcraven> Arnia, I'd hope they would turn it down.hehe.. Apparently you need little motion to get some effect.
[05:52] <dcraven> heh
[05:52] <Arnia> dcraven: I'd never thought that real world objects almost always have a certain give to them :)
[05:52] <jbm__> i thought ubuntu for servers too, like scsi and raid stuff it doesnt do then?
[05:53] <blahrus> toresbe: about half way through a avi the sound get half way off . . . any ideas?
[05:53] <Flonne> It prompts you to configure software RAID during the partitioning stage.
[05:53] <dcraven> Arnia, yeah I read on one of the dev-blogs that they were suprised how much more "tangible" windows felt with even a little motion. Pretty exciting really.
[05:53] <jbm__> Flonne i have windows already on raid, that will destroy it!
[05:54] <Flonne> I know nothing about Windows.
[05:54] <PacoBCN> too many problems mounting USB drives...
[05:54] <Arnia> dcraven: I can see some people moaning though :)
[05:54] <PacoBCN> I see I'm not the only one
[05:54] <dcraven> Arnald, i'm sure there will be a gconf setting.. hehe
[05:54] <jbm__> Flonne i have data on array, that will destroy it
[05:54] <xMaximex> is there a way to modify grub settings with a GUI?
[05:54] <dcraven> Arnia, probably bundled with the reduced_resources one.
[05:54] <Flonne> Then why are you asking?
[05:54] <libben> is there any command to check how many lines will get printed in terminal?
[05:54] <libben> hmm
[05:55] <libben> maybe gedit
[05:55] <PacoBCN> can anyone help to find what's wrong when mouting my usb drive?
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> xMaximex, get suse = =_)
[05:55] <xMaximex> nomasteryoda, mm ok ... next ?
[05:55] <jbm__> Flonne i need to know how to load raid kernel module into livecd image so i can manually set partitions without blowing away other partitons
[05:55] <dcraven> libben, "your_command | wc -l"
[05:56] <kakalto> when I upgraded to hoary, I got 2 broken packages. what should I do?
[05:56] <Burgundavia> kakalto: which ones?
[05:56] <dcraven> kakalto, I uninstalled them when that happened to me.
[05:56] <libben> dcraven, well, gedit said 2760. and wc counted it to 2859 =)
[05:56] <kakalto> php-4 and something else
[05:56] <libben> 2759 i ment
[05:57] <libben> i gues it wont count a empty line
[05:57] <Arnia> dcraven: Yeah... and if people need the setting enough then it will get put in a capplet. I like that way of doing things (starting minimal and only adding options people have been proven to need)
[05:57] <dcraven> libben, gedit count blank lines?
[05:57] <kakalto> something else: apache
[05:57] <Flonne> jbm__, have you looked at the software RAID options to see if it's possible to do what you want? It shouldn't touch anything without prompting you.
[05:57] <libben> apparantly
[05:57] <dcraven> libben, who uses gedit to count lines? haha
[05:57] <dcraven> ;P
[05:57] <libben> count? it tells me how many lines it is
[05:57] <libben> gedit file. and it tells me
[05:58] <libben> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24416 anyone done this btw?
[05:58] <kakalto> to uninstall a package, is it just sudo apt-get remove <package> ?
[05:58] <Flonne> Yes, kakalto.
[05:58] <dcraven> Arnia, that philosophy seems to be working pretty well.
[05:58] <kakalto> thanks
[05:58] <helloyo> is hoary going to be available as soon as the 8th starts? or some time during the day?
[05:59] <kakalto> helloyo, depends which timezone :P
[05:59] <andrewski> helloyo: when the 8th starts is likely different for many. :P
[05:59] <dcraven> helloyo, probably later on I'd imagine.
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> xMaximex, try gettting GrubConf
[05:59] <Loki_VA> hi ppl
[05:59] <Arnia> dcraven: Yeah, it definitely stops option bloat
[05:59] <spartas> it depends on your timezone, it's already the 8th in some places (but not here yet)
[05:59] <Rasta[sleep] > 30 seconds to be the 8th
[05:59] <kakalto> it's well into the 8th here
[05:59] <dcraven> libben, I've never done that..
[05:59] <jbm__> Flonne i will try again but it looks like it wants to initalize my array thus destroying the old partitons
[05:59] <andrewski> Rasta[sleep] : yeah EST.
[05:59] <libben> dcraven, u dare?
[05:59] <libben> =)
[05:59] <libben> im thinking about it
[06:00] <dcraven> libben, no thanks. :)
[06:00] <Flonne> Sorry, jbm__, but my RAID experience is rather limited. :(
[06:00] <Rasta[sleep] > andrewski, I mean here, chile :o
[06:00] <libben> why not?
[06:00] <libben> =)
[06:00] <libben> i mean... the last part then?
[06:00] <libben> the I/O stuff would be harmless
[06:00] <Rasta[sleep] > oh yeah, I'm asleep
[06:00] <kakalto> how do I get bitchx to join more than one channel at the same time?
[06:00] <Rasta[sleep] > night!
[06:00] <dcraven> dcraven, no need I suppose? The risk outweighs the benefit?
[06:00] <spartas> if they release it when firefox 1.0 was released (late evening according to my timezone), you might as well wait until the 9th
[06:00] <Arnia> The 8th is a 48 hour period :p
[06:00] <kakalto> true that, Arnia
[06:00] <dcraven> later Rasta[sleep]
[06:00] <kakalto> actually no
[06:01] <kakalto> isn't it 36 hours
[06:01] <kakalto> hang on, no
[06:01] <kakalto> I can't count, don't worry
[06:01] <toresbe> blahrus: absolutely none, that's odd
[06:01] <dcraven> We'll all get Hoary fast because the torrents will be on fire for the next few days. Smokin' speeds no doubt!
[06:01] <Arnia> Its 24 hours at the dateline, then another 24 hours for the rest of the world to catch up :)
[06:02] <kakalto> but my one's interface doesn't work, that's all
[06:02] <dcraven> Linux torrents download fast because its users leech less than in Windows.
[06:02] <j-rock> whens hoary's official release date again? i can never remember
[06:02] <kakalto> so I'm text-only till I do a few things
[06:02] <dcraven> heh
[06:02] <chong> april 8th
[06:02] <Burgundavia> j-rock: tomorrow (or today)
[06:02] <PacoBCN> If I don't get this usb drive working properly I'll switch back... to Amiga 500...
[06:02] <chong> so uhh 2 minutes ago for me
[06:02] <j-rock> Burgundavia: cool
[06:02] <kakalto> j-rock, friday
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> dcraven, LOL ...er suck less
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:03] <kakalto> how do I get bitchx to join more than one channel at the same time?
[06:03] <dcraven> nomasteryoda, either way :) haha
[06:03] <dcraven> kakalto, I dunno.. Check 'man bitchx'
[06:03] <pagefault> or use irssi
[06:03] <kakalto> thanks
[06:03] <pagefault> :)
[06:03] <kakalto> that's what it was
[06:03] <kakalto> I was wanting that, but I forgot what it was called
[06:03] <kakalto> BRB
[06:03] <pagefault> hehe
[06:03] <dcraven> hehe.. Was that "RTFM!!" enough for ya? lol
[06:04] <McScruff> hello again ppl
[06:04] <McScruff> all working expect for my usb card reader
[06:04] <kakalto> hehe
[06:04] <chong> McScruff, what kinda card reader do you have?
[06:04] <McScruff> 12 i n1
[06:04] <McScruff> :)
[06:04] <chong> woah
[06:05] <chong> my 3 in 1 doesnt work
[06:05] <chong> and it never will ;_;
[06:05] <pagefault> weird
[06:05] <membreya> hmmm 2pm ....and still no release
[06:05] <McScruff> 4 different slots
[06:05] <kakalto> now...
[06:05] <pagefault> you would think any standard card reader would work
[06:05] <kakalto> irssi...
[06:05] <kakalto> how did I make more than one channel...
[06:05] <chong> pagefault, in my case its built into my asus s5ne and its not a usb device its a pcmcia device with no drivers for it
[06:05] <pagefault> use alt-1,2,3 etc
[06:05] <pagefault> to switch
[06:05] <pagefault> I believe
[06:05] <McScruff> i was in a dir earlier that said "removeable storage" but i dont know how to get there
[06:06] <chong> McScruff, probably somewhere in /media
[06:06] <kakalto> yeah, as opposed to alt-f1, f2, f3, which is different :
[06:06] <kakalto> *:P
[06:06] <akk> Does the ubuntu kernel have that "different ids for separate LUN" option?  With that, multicard readers just Just Work.
[06:06] <spartas> join #beagle
[06:06] <spartas> crap
[06:06] <pagefault> chong, oh that blows
[06:06] <chong> pagefault, yea i'm bummed
[06:06] <blahrus> toresbe: i get the same thing with totem/gst
[06:06] <chong> since my camera takes sd cards and sd is one of the supported formats
[06:07] <McScruff> my sony card is there
[06:07] <McScruff> :O
[06:07] <chong> but its cool since my camera is also fully supported with ghpoto2
[06:07] <McScruff> no mmc tho
[06:07] <chong> mine does mmc, sd, and sony ms
[06:07] <toresbe> blahrus: very odd
[06:07] <chong> er well it would if i used windows
[06:07] <chong> heh
[06:07] <McScruff> mine would if i used windows :)
[06:07] <McScruff> unless i raped my mmc
[06:07] <bluefoxicy> bah
[06:07] <bluefoxicy> snort depends on snort rules
[06:08] <bluefoxicy> stupid thing.
[06:08] <McScruff> but the sony1 works :)
[06:08] <bluefoxicy> oinkmaster gets and installs rules!  Oinkmaster should satisfy snort's craving for rules :D
[06:08] <pagefault> so you have a 1 in 1 reader then
[06:08] <pagefault> better than nothing
[06:08] <pagefault> :)
[06:08] <chong> so what timezone is the ubuntu release team in?
[06:08] <chong> heh
[06:09] <calc> chong: all of them
[06:09] <calc> chong: the release is being mirrored
[06:09] <chong> calc, ok cool
[06:09] <pagefault> final release?
[06:09] <spartas> it would have been awesome if they released it according to GMT
[06:09] <chong> its just almost bed time for me so i'd like to jump in on the torrent
[06:09] <gldtn> what time will the release be commited?
[06:10] <dcraven> haha
[06:10] <gldtn> chong, How can I get a jump start and leave my torrent ready to download the release?
[06:10] <dcraven> The release will be available at exactly 13:35:32 JMT.
[06:11] <_blue> today
[06:11] <_blue> ?
[06:11] <_blue> ???
[06:11] <_blue> ??
[06:11] <membreya> JMT wtf is JMT
[06:11] <pagefault> which is JMT again?
[06:11] <chong> dcraven, whats that in GMT?
[06:11] <dcraven> hahaha
[06:11] <libben> =)
[06:11] <libben> rofl
[06:11] <gldtn> dcraven, thanks
[06:11] <dcraven> I'm foolin'.
[06:11] <_blue> 1pm?
[06:11] <dcraven> Holy!
[06:11] <membreya> die dcraven
[06:11] <chong> gldtn, if there is an rss feed setup somewhere for it you could use a plugin for say azureus and get it that way
[06:11] <geneo91> just get the daily build
[06:11] <dcraven> hahaha
[06:11] <dcraven> JMT
[06:11] <libben> who fucking cares when it gets released? i dont mean it in a disrespecting way... download the pre and update!
[06:11] <libben> and voila
[06:11] <libben> u will have ur system ready when its released =)
[06:11] <dcraven> Ouch libben .
[06:11] <kakalto> libben, indeed
[06:11] <pagefault> I need to reformat my install
[06:12] <jbm__> maybe new version supports raid?
[06:12] <libben> and u only need to download like what.... 10 packages
[06:12] <chong> libben, i have a blank hard drive ready for it
[06:12] <pagefault> went from warty to many updates of hoary
[06:12] <pagefault> it's a mess
[06:12] <chong> pagefault, yea thats what i did
[06:12] <dcraven> libben just cursed directly at 443 people.
[06:12] <libben> chong, well... horay pre is ready for it now
[06:12] <ells> how do i enabel buffer underrun on my dvd burner
[06:12] <libben> i said... do NOT mean it in a disrespecting way
[06:12] <pagefault> chong, gotten to the point 3d doesn't work anymore so I need to do it
[06:12] <chong> ells, i'd poke around /etc/default/cdrecord
[06:12] <ells> tritium; hey Mike, what is up
[06:12] <pagefault> hehe
[06:12] <computerguy867> so anyone hear what time they will be posting Hoary final?
[06:13] <ells> chong: thanks
[06:13] <libben> I love it so much ... im thinking of doing a clean install again when it gets out =)
[06:13] <libben> but thats just med
[06:13] <chong> pagefault, yea i got to the point where removable media wouldnt put an icon on my desktop so i had to unmount from command line
[06:13] <dcraven> I suppose if you know the exact URL you could use "at" and wget to try to fetch it... Or cron to try once every hour.
[06:13] <libben> me
[06:13] <kakalto> may I ask why my printer starting printing an article I tried to print a week ago, just as I was upgrading to hoary?
[06:13] <benjanet> is there a marrillat repository for hoary ?
[06:13] <_blue> wait wait wait, so now, when is new ubuntu coming out?
[06:13] <Burgundavia> benjanet: use the same one
[06:13] <chong> benjanet, i use the sarge repo for ubuntu
[06:13] <computerguy867> today
[06:14] <chong> benjanet, but i only grab win32codecs
[06:14] <kakalto> _blue: friday
[06:14] <benjanet> thanks
[06:14] <dcraven> kakalto, hahaha
[06:14] <_blue> kakalto: 1pm
[06:14] <_blue> ?
[06:14] <computerguy867> but what time is the question
[06:14] <kakalto> not for me :P
[06:14] <pagefault> chong, hehe yeah
[06:14] <_blue> bugger
[06:14] <kakalto> _blue, for me, it's already 4:00pm
[06:14] <libben> k3b seems to be one of the better burning software out there... hmm... kick out gnome baker and install k3b
[06:14] <kakalto> well, more like 4:15pm
[06:14] <pagefault> hmm
[06:14] <benjanet> chong, is it dangerous to get other stuff ??
[06:14] <chong> benjanet, well its a third party repo
[06:14] <chong> its unsupported
[06:14] <computerguy867> i cant wait!
[06:15] <chong> in my experience its been fine to nab mplayer
[06:15] <pagefault> chong, I just hope it fixes my problems
[06:15] <jbm__> there is new ubuntu? what did they call it gnubuntu rofl!!!
[06:15] <dcraven> For the love of God nobody here (who isn't just lurking) knows the exact second of release!
[06:15] <dcraven> hehe
[06:15] <kakalto> I actually kinda like this setup
[06:15] <upgrdman_> anyone here use kino to capture form their dv cam?
[06:15] <computerguy867> heheh
[06:15] <chong> but totem-zine can play everything mplayer can if you have the w32codecs package
[06:15] <kakalto> if it wasn't for pictures, I might've stuck with no gui for a few days
[06:15] <_blue> dcraven: im excited b/c im thinkig of making the switch from mandrake to ubuntu
[06:15] <kakalto> pictures, internet, etc.
[06:15] <upgrdman_> anyone here use kino to capture form their dv cam?
[06:15] <computerguy867> _Blue: You should
[06:16] <dcraven> _blue, you won't be sorry.
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> "Snort 2.3.0 RC1 integrated the intrusion prevention system (IPS) capability of snort_inline into the official Snort project."
[06:16] <libben> _blue, do it now!
[06:16] <pagefault> mozplug is a must too
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> where can i get a breezy repo with snort 2.3
[06:16] <computerguy867> UBUNTU ROCKS!
[06:16] <jobezone> I think I read it would be aroun 8 AM UTC(GMT)
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> as 2.3.1 is out
[06:16] <libben> Ubuntu WANTS U!
[06:16] <dcraven> _blue, well, I doubt you will be sorry anyways :)
[06:16] <jbm__> gnubuntu's coming out when?
[06:16] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy: breezy hasn't opened yet
[06:16] <chong> bluefoxicy, as far as i know breezy hasnt opened yet
[06:16] <_blue> lol,  of all the peoplein here, you guys have one op?
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia:  feck.  Hoary has snort 2.2
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> I wanna try the IPS
[06:16] <upgrdman_> today is my first day with ubuntu, and as we say at mcdonalds... I'm Loving It
[06:16] <daniels> bluefoxicy: dude, hoary isn't even out yet, breezy doesn't exist
[06:16] <jobezone> I think I read it would be around 8 AM UTC(GMT)
[06:16] <Arnia> _blue: lots of secret ops
[06:16] <libben> See the world it said, get laid it said. damit. now im stuck with this thing called ubuntu
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  I know, I want the inline module for snort 2.3
[06:16] <tritium> jobezone, that's correct
[06:16] <kakalto> upgrdman_, sure thing
[06:17] <Arnia> _blue: Doesn't do to show your power ;)
[06:17] <kakalto> I'm lovin' it
[06:17] <computerguy867> jobezone: The release?
[06:17] <chong> bluefoxicy, maybe try pulling from sid?
[06:17] <dcraven> I'm upgrading to Breezy pre on Saturday.
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  I'm poking around, probably going to build a security node by wiping a Mac Mini and putting 2 nics in it
[06:17] <kakalto> if that wasn't trademarked, ubuntu could use it :D
[06:17] <jobezone> computerguy867, yes, hoary final
[06:17] <jsgotangco> Breezy sources are now open?
[06:17] <jbm__> breezy?
[06:17] <chong> jsgotangco, no
[06:17] <McScruff> does ubuntu read FAT?
[06:17] <daniels> bluefoxicy: you could try packaging it, since it doesn't seem to be a huge priority for anyone else
[06:17] <chong> McScruff, yes
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> McScruff: of course
[06:17] <dinocore> hey anyone know how to install ndiswrapper?
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  hoary is frozen
[06:17] <McScruff> bolloks my mmc card is raped over
[06:17] <chong> dinocore, theres info on the wiki
[06:17] <jbm__> McScruff not if its on a raid
[06:17] <_blue> Arnia: i got the warty live cd's in the mail from ubuntu and they keep on failing when they try to create /dev
[06:18] <_blue> is that a known issue?
[06:18] <dinocore> chong, where is the wiki?
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  I could package it, but then a long and virulent battle over politics and inserting a new universe package that some people might actually use would ensue
[06:18] <kakalto> What's slackware like?
[06:18] <chong> dinocore, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[06:18] <tritium> bluefoxicy, package it for yourself
[06:18] <smouche> hoary is already frozen?  Um, doesn't that mean then that we already have the "stable release"?
[06:18] <dinocore> ok thanks
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  nobody would want to take the risk of breaking snort this close to release of course :)
[06:18] <tritium> smouche, no, not yet
[06:18] <breath> ey, noobie here I had some errors pop up.. a lil while ago.. and I may have clicked the wrong option.. but now I dont have any boxes on my bottom tool bar.. you know with all the applications open.. I got on a different user, and everything worked all fine and dandy, so I think it has something todo with my user config files.. but I dont know where to look..
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  I don't know how
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  and yes I've read the documentation
[06:18] <ells> how do i enable the dma on my dvd drive, for now on
[06:18] <tritium> bluefoxicy, I didn't ask if you had ;)
[06:19] <tritium> ells, hey there.
[06:19] <ells> tritium: hey Mike
[06:19] <benjanet> chong, testing, stable or unstable for marrilat on hoary ?
[06:19] <ells> tritium: got my dvd burner today
[06:19] <smouche> ells, thanks for asking that, I was wondering the same thing...
[06:19] <daniels> bluefoxicy: i was suggesting you package it for breezy, and you can actually use local packages but meh, either way
[06:19] <ells> tritium: whats the answer Mike
[06:19] <chong> benjanet, i use testing
[06:19] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  I know, I've made local kernel packages.
[06:19] <tritium> ells, nice.  What's the device? /dev/hdb ?
[06:19] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  they broke my machine =o
[06:19] <breath> any ideas?
[06:19] <jobezone> benjanet, unstable, I think
[06:19] <spartas> i run hoary on this system, and apparently upgrade didn't do a thing for me; dist-upgrade on the other hand downloaded an additional 86 or so megs of packages
[06:19] <bluefoxicy> half the files I needed had gone missing o.o (i.e. the initrd wasn't there, kernel was)
[06:19] <chong> benjanet, be warned that its unsupported and if it breaks i didnt give you the info
[06:20] <ells> tritum: not sure,  I know it will come up as /media/cdrecorder
[06:20] <tritium> ells, sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdb, if so
[06:20] <kakalto> anyone?
[06:20] <ells> tritium: will that affect it for now on, or just this session
[06:20] <tritium> ells, just for now
[06:20] <blahrus> toresbe: could it be an issue of not having the nvidia drivers loaded?
[06:20] <ells> tritium: can I make it for all the time
[06:20] <toresbe> blahrus: nah, probably not
[06:20] <benjanet> chong, ok
[06:20] <spartas> it also grabbed me gcc-4.0 and libstdc++6
[06:21] <kakalto> has anyone here used slackware? what's it like?
[06:21] <gldtn> kakalto, very unix like
[06:21] <tritium> ells, you can try to enable it in /etc/hdparm.conf, but sometimes the modules are not loaded yet when /etc/init.d/hdparm is called, so it doesn't work for cdroms
[06:21] <ells> tritium: you know mike the dvd does not show in the fstab, but it auto loads
[06:21] <geneo91> slack 10.0 aint to bad
[06:22] <tritium> ells, you'd have to add it to the fstab
[06:22] <geneo91> not for desktop though
[06:22] <kakalto> gldtn: what's that meant to mean?
[06:22] <ells> tritium: can you help with the syntax
[06:22] <kakalto> very unix-like
[06:22] <kakalto> you mean text-based?
[06:22] <breath> kakalto I have 10.1 on my laptop
[06:22] <dcraven> breath, right click on the panel that you want to add the window list to and choose "Add to Panel".
[06:22] <breath> I love it
[06:22] <tritium> ells, yes.
[06:22] <ells> tritium: cool Mike
[06:22] <kakalto> breath, what's updating like?
[06:22] <kakalto> do you have packages?
[06:22] <daniels> bluefoxicy: i don't think a local snort package could break your machine, but it's up to you
[06:22] <dcraven> breath, then choose Window List from the new dialog.
[06:22] <moeru> I have an extremely dumb question x.x
[06:22] <breath> thanks!
[06:22] <breath> =]
[06:23] <kakalto> moeru, expect to be mocked :D
[06:23] <dinocore> i get and error when i try to modprobe ndiswrapper
[06:23] <moeru> How can I see what kernel version I'm using?
[06:23] <dinocore>  Operation not permitted
[06:23] <tritium> moeru, uname -r
[06:23] <blahrus> toresbe: could it be the way it was compiled?
[06:23] <breath> kakalto Ive never updated.. anything yet..
[06:23] <moeru> thanks ^^
[06:23] <breath> =/
[06:23] <kakalto> breath, what interface is default?
[06:23] <breath> I got my wifi cards working..
[06:23] <moeru> ow......mmm cheese
[06:23] <gldtn> kakalto, thats thier philosophy.. to be the closest to unix, very good distro to learn linux from, but can be a headache. They have apt-get and you can use sypnatic aswell.
[06:23] <dcraven> breath, assuming that is what you mean by "y'know, with all the applications running". :)
[06:23] <breath> umm I use fluxbox, cause my laptop is sub 1ghz
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  heh, I wouldn't package it right
[06:24] <kakalto> slack's the oldest linux, isn't it?
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> I have no idea what i'm doing
[06:24] <breath> but you can use kde or gnome
[06:24] <SeeRSea> slack is the closest
[06:24] <daniels> bluefoxicy: snort isn't a difficult package, I'm sure you could work through the new maintainer guides for Debian and Ubuntu
[06:24] <SeeRSea> Very traditional
[06:24] <gldtn> kakalto, yes they have pkgs
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  the farthest package managment I got to was 'vi /usr/portage/app-sys/foo/foo-1.2.ebuild && emerge foo', typing something like 'make' into foo.ebuild :)
[06:24] <dinocore> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[06:24] <dinocore> can anyone help?
[06:24] <benjanet> how much time left for hoary stable ?
[06:25] <spartas> i actually used to use blackbox on my laptop before gnome was working properly (in the early days of ubuntu); a quick dist-upgrade fixed that problem
[06:25] <ryman> I want to cry .. it has been 4 days and I still can't get any sound on Hoary =(
[06:25] <dcraven> dinocore, have you loaded the Windows drivers yet?
[06:25] <dinocore> no
[06:25] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  the new maintainer guide is that 21 chapter document that's kinda non-straightforward and tries to explain everything in the world before first walking you through a demonstration?
[06:25] <blahrus> ryman: amd64?
[06:25] <gldtn> benjanet, don't know.. but I wish they had one of those count-down thingies
[06:25] <ryman> pent 4
[06:25] <dinocore> dcraven how do you do that?
[06:25] <daniels> bluefoxicy: there's a difference between the new maintainer's guide and the developer's reference
[06:25] <bluefoxicy> ah
[06:25] <dcraven> dinocore, I think you need to do the "ndiswrapper -i /path/to/whatever.inf" bit before you load the kernel module.
[06:25] <benjanet> gldtn, yeah..it would be cool to hava a countdown
[06:26] <ryman> blahrus, I'm on pent 4 and I can't get any sound even boot up sound =(
[06:26] <dinocore> dcraven ok thanks
[06:26] <ryman> this is my first time using linux
[06:26] <tritium> bluefoxicy, actually, the New Maintainer's guide does use the "gentoo" package as an example
[06:26] <reparks> How do I stop GNOME from auto adding CDs, Floppys, USB Flash Drives and such to the desktop when I plug them in?
[06:26] <bluefoxicy> I was sure I read the new maintainer's guide on several occasions, once when I started using linux, once when i was poking at pax on debian, and once 8 or 9 months later trying to make an ubuntu kernel
[06:26] <dcraven> dinocore, no prob.
[06:26] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  that's a file manager >:P
[06:26] <tritium> bluefoxicy, yep
[06:26] <bluefoxicy> at any rate
[06:26] <dinocore> anyone know how to mount a vfat partition?
[06:27] <bluefoxicy> I never get it quite right :(
[06:27] <spartas> reparks: system > prefs > removable drives & media
[06:27] <bluefoxicy> i need to be like, handheld or something :(
[06:27] <dcraven> reparks, System --> Preferneces --> Removeable Drives and Media
[06:27] <dcraven> doh
[06:27] <reparks> thanks
[06:27] <EvilIdler> bluefoxicy: Do you have a desire to become a PDA?
[06:27] <SeeRSea> I wonder what Ubuntu will do with my USB camera?  :)
[06:27] <gldtn> may anyone point me to a good app so I can see my eth0, and others statics on my kde desktop?
[06:28] <gldtn> if possible .deb package
[06:28] <tritium> dinocore, with "-t vfat"
[06:28] <chong> gldtn, gkrellm
[06:28] <breath> #bittorrent
[06:28] <moeru> startx should restart my copy of Gnome, correct?
[06:28] <spartas> seersea: it might mount it as a removable device (that's how it treats my camera)
[06:28] <moeru> once I'm out obviously
[06:28] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  can you get me a list of commands to run at the command line to make the snort package, and I can work backwards from there?  That's how I figured out gentoo ebuilds; they're scripts, I just opened one up and read it, then figured out what crackpipe the devs were hitting off
[06:28] <dcraven> ryman, sometimes it seems sound is muted by default... In a terminal, run "alsamixer" and make sure no channels are muted (toggle mute with M).
[06:29] <gldtn> chong, thanks, let me check it out
[06:29] <SeeRSea> spartas- let's hope so
[06:29] <dcraven> ryman, also make sure PCM is non-zero... ie. turn it up.
[06:29] <SeeRSea> I want a software interface also
[06:29] <streetbmx> hello
[06:29] <SeeRSea> If I can get that amd music, I'm home free, I think.
[06:29] <spartas> seersea: what type of cam is it?
[06:29] <daniels> bluefoxicy: apt-get source snort && dpkg-source -x *.dsc && cd snort-* && debuild -us -uc
[06:29] <dinocore> alright anyone know how to turn off those annoying console beeps?
[06:29] <SeeRSea> Kodak 4.1 mp  Don't know the model type
[06:29] <kakalto> I will be back, hopefully with a gui this time :D
[06:29] <blahrus> ryman: yea I am using the warty kernel to get sound.
[06:30] <spartas> oh, ok; i have a sony with the staunch memory stick format
[06:30] <SeeRSea> Well, we'll see when I try it.
[06:30] <reparks> wow Ubuntu rocks :)
[06:30] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  what if there's not a source package
[06:30] <SeeRSea> Will ubuntu plug and play usb devices on the fly?
[06:30] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[06:30] <PacoBCN> Sometimes it happens to me to loose my faith in Ubuntu and now it's one of those moments...
[06:30] <bluefoxicy> :)
[06:30] <spartas> usually
[06:31] <chong> SeeRSea, most of them
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> er, oh.  Snort wouldn't come with a debian/ directory in that case would it :/
[06:31] <spartas> i've heard of problems with iomega disk drives though (haven't tried mine yet)
[06:31] <tritium> PacoBCN, keep the faith, man
[06:31] <SeeRSea> I don't use anything iomega
[06:31] <SeeRSea> Waste of $$$
[06:31] <daniels> bluefoxicy: what do you mean, what if there's not a source package?
[06:31] <PacoBCN> tritium, my faith is proportional to the luck I have auto mouting USB drives...
[06:31] <dcraven> dinocore, "modprobe -r pcspkr" will do it probably.
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  i.e. what if i download a tarball from somewhere of a package not in the repo
[06:32] <bluefoxicy> for example trebuchet
[06:32] <pfr> the default lilo installation target is /dev/ida/c0d0/disc but i'm runnin a scsi raid array should i change it to /dev/sda/c0d0/disc?
[06:32] <dinocore> word
[06:32] <daniels> bluefoxicy: then you get to make your own debian/ directory
[06:32] <daniels> bluefoxicy: it doesn't just magically guess
[06:32] <tritium> PacoBCN, hopefully it's not based on that alone
[06:32] <spartas> yeah, i learnt the hard way, $300 bucks later and my data's disappearing as a result of the click of death
[06:32] <TongMaster> daniels, you live!
[06:32] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  ok :)
[06:32] <daniels> TongMaster: dude!
[06:33] <PacoBCN> tritium, right now it is because it's really frustrating
[06:33] <EvilIdler> Where's a good guide on Ubuntu sound? This silence is annoying.
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  btw, gentoo used to magically guess
[06:33] <TongMaster> daniels, not smoking the #pipe anymore :(
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> if I had like
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> src_compile() { }
[06:33] <SeeRSea> Evil- have you unchecked all the mute option in your sound panel?
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> it'd be like
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> ". . . uh.  make?"
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> but that's neither here nor there
[06:33] <streetbmx> does anyone know where the industrial theme went?
[06:34] <EvilIdler> SeeRSea: Yes. I am getting actual errors from applications trying to play anything.
[06:34] <EvilIdler> SeeRSea: XMMS complains about DSP devices not existing.
[06:34] <SeeRSea> that can't be good
[06:34] <SeeRSea> Sounds like they're not supported
[06:34] <spartas> Evil: do you know if you use alsa or oss?
[06:34] <EvilIdler> My soundcard is the bog-standard Live!, on Alsa.
[06:34] <SeeRSea> I have onboard sound, and get sound...just not music.  :)
[06:35] <spartas> try killall esd in terminal
[06:35] <SeeRSea> That's pretty vanilla
[06:35] <spartas> then restart xmms and play music
[06:35] <EvilIdler> I have no esd or other sound daemon. I killed them since they didn't give me sound.
[06:35] <spartas> hmmm
[06:35] <EvilIdler> Nothing makes sound :/
[06:36] <spartas> your sound volume control and xmms is configured to use alsa?
[06:36] <SeeRSea> I'm listening to my fans whir loudly
[06:37] <dcraven> EvilIdler, you say you have an SB Live!?
[06:37] <EvilIdler> spartas: I had ALSA when I used Debian, and precompiled kernels, but I'll check if my 6 years old .xmms config is there or not :)
[06:37] <SeeRSea> No!
[06:37] <SeeRSea> wind is good
[06:37] <EvilIdler> dcraven: Yep
[06:37] <kakalto> I upgraded to hoary, and now I have no interface. Help, please?
[06:37] <EvilIdler> snd_emu10k1 module loaded, no users
[06:37] <tritium> kakalto, what kind of interface?
[06:37] <spartas> Evil: hmmm, i dunno man ( 6 years brings a lot of experience i don't have )
[06:37] <kakalto> it says X isn't configured correctly, but I did dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server
[06:38] <kakalto> tritium, graphical
[06:38] <SeeRSea> Do you guys use shorewall or anything?
[06:38] <EvilIdler> spartas: 6 years only because I lost $HOME once ;)
[06:38] <SeeRSea> Trying to find an easy firewall solution
[06:38] <chong> SeeRSea, honestly i just use the iptables man page and go from there
[06:38] <bur[n] er> SeeRSea: u could use firestarter?
[06:38] <kakalto> perhaps I'll try again.
[06:39] <tritium> kakalto, be sure not to transpose "xorg" and "xserver" as you did above
[06:39] <SeeRSea> Yeah, I've got my Building Internet Firewalls book here.  It'll just take awhile
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  debuild manual doesn't show a -u switch or -us -uc
[06:39] <SeeRSea> IPTables are alien to me
[06:39] <JaZy84> hey guys every time i start in a termal window i get "bash: /usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin:"
[06:39] <spartas> Evil: never lost home (just quite a few java programs for a class a week before they were due); been on winblows since october (friends helped convert me to linux; i chose ubuntu)
[06:39] <JaZy84> i tried to add the java with the how too guide
[06:39] <JaZy84> but java still doesn't work
[06:40] <EvilIdler> OK, sound works now in XMMS. Bastard thing was set back to OSS again :P  - only UT2004 and other games to check now
[06:40] <dcraven> EvilIdler, do you have the appropriate modules loaded? ie snd-emu10k1?
[06:40] <EvilIdler> dcraven: All ALSA modules, snd_emu10k1, plus oss emulation
[06:40] <EvilIdler> dcraven: XMMS plays, so now I have just about every game to check :)
[06:40] <Lancellor> hello i'm here again the newbie
[06:40] <spartas> EvilIdler is up, let the orchestra begin
[06:40] <tritium> JaZy84, try Method 2.
[06:41] <Lancellor> what do i have to type in console to get to a folder
[06:41] <JaZy84> tritium can you gimmie website?
[06:41] <dcraven> Oh cool.. You have sound now :_
[06:41] <kakalto> tritium, nothing would be configurable if I transposed them, would they?
[06:41] <SeeRSea> EvilIdler...complete with EvilSound.
[06:41] <EvilIdler> OK..Alpha Centauri plays sound. Looks like my system needed to "prime" sound with something before the games made noise :/
[06:41] <EvilIdler> SeeRSea: 1.2 gigs of SATAN!
[06:41] <daniels> bluefoxicy: no, but debuild help will show you that it passes options it doesn't know about to dpkg-buildpackage
[06:41] <tritium> kakalto, right, it would fail.
[06:41] <bluefoxicy> ah
[06:41] <tritium> JaZy84, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:42] <kakalto> I'll just hunt down my monitor manual
[06:42] <JaZy84> ty
[06:42] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  -u == upload?  o_o
[06:42] <Lancellor> is in home -abinadid -My Documents
[06:42] <daniels> bluefoxicy: try the dpkg-buildpackage help
[06:42] <bluefoxicy> yeah, reading the man page, uploadfilesdir :)
[06:43] <daniels> er
[06:43] <dcraven> Okay I'm off to bed. G'nite everyone.
[06:43] <daniels> dpkg-GENCHANGES OPTIONS
[06:43] <daniels>        dpkg-genchanges does not take any non-option arguments.
[06:43] <daniels>        -uuploadfilesdir
[06:43] <EvilIdler> Any tips on how to optimise loading time in UT2004?
[06:44] <EvilIdler> It takes many minutes to even get to the menu :/
[06:44] <_str> hi there...
[06:44] <spartas> Lancellor: cd to change directories, use cd <dir_name>
[06:45] <Lancellor> http://ubuntuguide.org/temp/          ......How to install Menu Editor for GNOME?   itry but did not work
[06:45] <_str> how could help me?  I cannot update my apt
[06:45] <ryman> hello , I'm new to linux.. can someone help me with this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211&highlight=audigy  ?
[06:45] <Artemis3> NAME
[06:45] <Artemis3>      cd - change working directory
[06:45] <Artemis3> SYNOPSIS
[06:45] <Artemis3>      cd directory
[06:45] <ryman> I see that my analog/digital output jack is off but how to I turn it on ?
[06:45] <spartas> Artemis3: No manual entry for cd
[06:46] <Lancellor> y try this        $ cd /home/abinadid/my documents/      but did not work say that the folder or file does not exist
[06:46] <Artemis3> heheh my openbsd has ;)
[06:46] <Artemis3> directory is an absolute or relative pathname which becomes the new work-
[06:46] <Artemis3>      ing directory.  The interpretation of a relative pathname by cd depends
[06:46] <Artemis3>      on the CDPATH environment variable
[06:46] <Dr_Aevil> Lancellor: cd /home/abinadid/my\ documents
[06:46] <Kamping_kaiser> lol
[06:46] <Artemis3> that should be enough
[06:46] <Kamping_kaiser> no man entry for cd in ubuntu ;)
[06:46] <spartas> Dr_Aevil: forgot about escaping the space
[06:47] <Artemis3> thats unfriendly
[06:47] <Artemis3> fill a bug entry :)
[06:47] <Lancellor> shoul i type    cd /home/abinadid/documents/
[06:47] <spartas> Lancellor: man ls
[06:47] <Dr_Aevil> Lancellor: uhm, what I said should work
[06:47] <Lancellor> let me try
[06:47] <Dr_Aevil> spartas: eh?
[06:47] <tritium> Lancellor, you can, or cd ~/documents, if abinadid is your username
[06:48] <EvilIdler> Well, UT2004 works and has sound after replacing libSDL and openal.so with proper 64-bit versions.
[06:49] <ells> tritium: I am slowly getting the components I need for this desktop, lastly, need a good video card
[06:49] <tritium> Lancellor, if you're already in your home directory, you don't even need ~/, just "cd documents"
[06:49] <spartas> Dr_Aevil: my mind's too tired to think about space escaping in my\ documents (thought his previous command would have worked)
[06:49] <tritium> ells, that's awesome
[06:49] <Lancellor> cd: /home/abinadid/my documents: No such file or directory               this is what tell me
[06:49] <ells> tritium: nice having this dvd burner
[06:49] <tritium> I'll bet.
[06:49] <Lancellor> ok let me try again
[06:49] <Artemis3> take those : out
[06:49] <spartas> Lancellor: cd ~; ls
[06:49] <ells> tritium: 54 bucks, that is a steal
[06:49] <EvilIdler> I burn in stereo. A DVD burner in each computer :)
[06:49] <_blue> can someone help me with the ubuntu live cd
[06:49] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: how's that game with 64bit version comparing to 32bit?
[06:49] <_blue> it seems to stop loading once it says it could not create /dev
[06:50] <Dr_Aevil> Lancellor: grr, you're not reading - type what I said, put a "\" after the my
[06:50] <tritium> ells, is that still avaiable?
[06:50] <Artemis3> cd <tab> is easier...
[06:50] <ells> tritium; yeap
[06:50] <Jan23> hi any woman need get my big black cock
[06:50] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: Pretty much the same. I have only half a gig, though, so it's painful to even start it. I'll need to optimise my system.
[06:50] <ells> tigerdirect.com
[06:50] <Dr_Aevil> spartas: ah ok :)
[06:50] <ells> even does dual layer
[06:50] <Jan23> hi any woman need get my big black cock
[06:50] <Lancellor> i did it actually i copy and paste it
[06:50] <ells> EvilIdler: what ya use to compress video for dvds
[06:50] <kakalto> Jan23, wtf, go away
[06:51] <orospakr> hi! how can I set automake-1.9 as the default automake? or should I just change the symlink by hand?
[06:51] <Dr_Aevil> Lancellor: well is there a directory called that? remember linux is case sensitive..
[06:51] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: half a gig isn't enough for a game?
[06:51] <frank> EvilIdler: is UT2004 actually available 64bit?
[06:51] <EvilIdler> ells: I don't - it's only for backing up stuff, really. But I guess transcode would do the job, and I think there is one DVD authoring frontend which uses it
[06:51] <Lancellor> yes
[06:51] <Jan23> hi any woman need get my big black cock
[06:51] <EvilIdler> frank: Yep. Icculus ports to 32- and 64-bit Linux, plus Mac.
[06:51] <Lancellor> when you open home  there is and icon for desktop
[06:52] <spartas> Lancellor: is is documents or my documents?
[06:52] <spartas> Lancellor: is it?
[06:52] <Dr_Aevil> this is quite funny really
[06:52] <ells> EvilIdler: I have been thru it all, it wont work for me, but i was told that dvd shrink is about it to do complete backups
[06:52] <Lancellor> so in the same folder i created an other folder call My Documentes
[06:52] <Dr_Aevil> how have we got to discussion the icon for your desktop?
[06:52] <Dr_Aevil> right
[06:52] <Dr_Aevil> well you see it's case sensitive see
[06:53] <Lancellor> i mean My Documents]
[06:53] <EvilIdler> ells: The WinXP box has CloneDVD2, which does an excellent job should I ever need it. dvd::rip for even more compression on Linux, though.
[06:53] <spartas> Lancellor: okay do cd ~; cd My\ <tab>
[06:53] <Dr_Aevil> so if it was called that you must type cd <path>/My\ Documents
[06:53] <Jan23> hi any woman need get my big black cock
[06:53] <ells> EvilIlder: it compreses to .avi in dvd rip
[06:53] <spartas> lancellor: or even cd ~/M<tab>
[06:54] <EvilIdler> ells: Yep. And that's what some people need for some purposes.
[06:54] <Lancellor> ok let me try again
[06:54] <Lancellor> thanks for been so patience
[06:54] <Kamping_kaiser> hi ells
[06:54] <EvilIdler> ells: I could use a proper DVD authoring tool in Linux, though. A friend of mine is making movies and needs a hand in editing.
[06:54] <ells> Kamping_kaiser: whats up man?
[06:55] <ells> EvilIlder: I have not had much luck, but dvd shrink in wine is supposed to do the trick
[06:55] <EvilIdler> ells: I can rule out Wine here.
[06:55] <Kamping_kaiser> not much mate. just unstabalised in hte last 15 odd minutes. just after i fixed the other computer ;)
[06:55] <ells> EvilIdler: why?
[06:55] <Lancellor> is there any place or link where i can learn all this codes????
[06:56] <EvilIdler> ells: AMD64.  I can absolutely not compile it without cross-compiling to ia32, and the binaries I've tried are flakier than usual.
[06:57] <ells> EvilIlder, really, sorry to hear that
[06:57] <spartas> lancellor: the manual pages usually help, but there's no manual entry for cd, you can try "man ls" and "man pwd", try out google for linux commands
[06:57] <tritium> daniels, can you remove the porn bot please?
[06:57] <EvilIdler> ells: I get by with a gaming computer on my left hand :)
[06:57] <Kamping_kaiser> thanks daniels
[06:57] <tritium> thanks, daniels
[06:58] <ells> EvilIlder: I have win on my laptop with linux as well, but am trying to wean off of windows
[06:58] <daniels> if that happens again, let me know so this window goes purple
[06:58] <Lancellor> thanks i rename the name to Documents
[06:59] <EvilIdler> ells: XP is an entertainment-only system for me, and this AMD64 runs only Linux. There's also a PS2 hooked up to the TV card. Only need a Mac Mini, then I have all the options I need :)
[06:59] <spartas> lancellor: it doesn't matter what you call it just as long as you remember to escape the space (use a "\ " instead of just " ")
[06:59] <ells> EvilIdler, sounds like you got it all
[07:00] <EvilIdler> ells: I was well-paid in my last job.   I'm the only person who has access to this computer, so there's no issues in that sense, I can access root
[07:01] <_blue> man there is so much off topic stuff here
[07:01] <ells> EvilIlder: have to thank the wife, ya know
[07:01] <_blue> lol
[07:01] <george_> I can't delete stuff that I downloaded =(
[07:01] <EvilIdler> ells: I've only got one awful upgrade job to do now..this AMD64 needs the replacement fan I just bought. That means taking out the whole motherboard, which is what I hate most.
[07:01] <Dr_Aevil> _blue: 'tis called conversation and community :P
[07:01] <Lancellor> i got it
[07:01] <Lancellor> i got it
[07:02] <ells> EvilIdler: I know the deal, I built this desktop
[07:02] <Lancellor> i got it
[07:02] <freex> can i ask an apache question?
[07:02] <Lancellor> thnaks
[07:03] <dracflamloc> freex: theres plenty of people in #apache =)
[07:03] <biatche_> 5.04 is gonna be released today, right? april 8th?
[07:03] <freex> okies thank for the link
[07:03] <Xeon3D> yup
[07:03] <bob2> biatche_: yes
[07:03] <bob2> biatche_: dunno which timezone, tho
[07:03] <george_> is there a way to mass chown, or chown everything within a file?  what's the command for it?
[07:04] <tritium> biatche_, 8:00 UTC, approximately
[07:04] <seven_six_two> i installed 5.04 and tried to install a bunch of games from universe...nothing added to applications menu though
[07:04] <kakalto> shit
[07:04] <kakalto> I don't have a cdrom
[07:04] <Kamping_kaiser> seven_sex_two. you need debian menu
[07:04] <kakalto> what is the cdrom drive usually called under /dev/ ?
[07:04] <kakalto> apart from cdrom
[07:05] <Kamping_kaiser> cdrom1
[07:05] <Kamping_kaiser> cdrom0
[07:05] <seven_six_two> Kamping_kaiser, just add my own to panel?
[07:05] <kakalto> apart from cdrom
[07:05] <Kamping_kaiser> it apears inside applications. search it with apt or synaptic
[07:05] <bob2> kakalto: hdc
[07:05] <seven_six_two> thnx
[07:06] <george_> Could someone please tell me how to chown an entire file
[07:06] <Kamping_kaiser> george_ folder or file?
[07:06] <kakalto> any others?
[07:06] <tritium> kakalto, "dmesg | grep hd" should help you find it
[07:06] <george_> it's a folder I downloaded and unzipped as root.
[07:06] <george_> with other folders and files inside of it
[07:06] <tritium> kakalto, is it ATAPI or SCSI?
[07:06] <Kamping_kaiser> chown -R username.username /folderdir
[07:07] <george_> thanks =)
[07:07] <kakalto> that was giving me a real fright
[07:07] <pvh> Hoary migration: What packages have been changed that I need to switch over manually?
[07:07] <Kamping_kaiser> ;) george_ it might be lowercase r
[07:07] <lucychili> =)
[07:07] <Kamping_kaiser> :) you again
[07:07] <lucychili> lurk
[07:07] <pvh> Hoary migration: I'm thinking of polypaudio, which I know nothing about other than I don't think I'm using it.
[07:07] <kakalto> thing is, my hard drive is sda, my cd drive is hda, and I thought hda was my hdd >_>
[07:07] <kakalto> I have sata hdd
[07:07] <kakalto> whew
[07:08] <tritium> cool, you found it with dmesg?
[07:08] <orospakr> pvh, ps aux | grep esd. :) also ps aux | grep polypaudio
[07:08] <kakalto> tritium, yeah, thanks
[07:08] <EvilIdler> Bleh. Do not kick the DSL modem's powersupply.
[07:08] <tritium> kakalto, np
[07:08] <pvh> orospakr: yep, still on esd.
[07:08] <george_> other folders within the folder still belong to root =/
[07:08] <kakalto> can I 'cat' pdf files?
[07:08] <tritium> pvh, they decided not to switch to esd yet
[07:08] <libben> no
[07:08] <tritium> I mean polypaudio
[07:08] <kakalto> :(
[07:09] <pvh> tritium: oh
[07:09] <tritium> They stuck with esd for now
[07:09] <Kamping_kaiser> george_ type chown --help and it tells you the details. but what i told you should be about right
[07:09] <orospakr> I hope gtkcairo and glitz get included at some point. :)
[07:10] <pvh> orospakr: wow, that's cool
[07:10] <seven_six_two> Kamping_kaiser, i see a pkg named "menu" for providing update menus function for some applications
[07:10] <seven_six_two> in synaptic
[07:10] <Kamping_kaiser> that could be it
[07:10] <Kamping_kaiser> i just used the lot ;) one worked
[07:10] <seven_six_two> lol...did you have to do anything special after?
[07:10] <Kamping_kaiser> no.
[07:11] <Kamping_kaiser> i installed it under hoary
[07:11] <dracflamloc> interesting
[07:11] <Kamping_kaiser> and it didnt appear untill hoary. sorry i installed under warty
[07:11] <dracflamloc> installing the kernel sources with synaptic doesnt actually extract them
[07:11] <kakalto> FRAMES!!!!
[07:11] <kakalto> bitch
[07:11] <bob2> kakalto: language, please
[07:11] <kakalto> bob2, sorry
[07:12] <kakalto> those frikn' idiots @ philips made frames with no links
[07:12] <pvh> tritium: oh, i thought the official release was yesterday not tomorrow
[07:12] <EvilIdler> kakalto: Frames?! Are you surfing with a timemachine?
[07:12] <kakalto> grrrr
[07:12] <kakalto> yes
[07:12] <kakalto> lynx
[07:12] <Kamping_kaiser> lol
[07:12] <kakalto> which can't support frames
[07:12] <EvilIdler> kakalto: Try links
[07:12] <tritium> pvh, very soon...
[07:12] <kakalto> heheh.
[07:12] <EvilIdler> kakalto: Get links-ssl, even
[07:13] <pvh> tritium: is there anything i can do to help? i've been running hoary for a few months now
[07:14] <Enspyron> ...
[07:14] <tritium> pvh, I think that with only a few hours left, we're all just waiting at this point.
[07:14] <pvh> tritium: i meant after the release drops
 tritium: oh, i thought the official release was yesterday not tomorrow
[07:14] <libben> waiting for something we allready has =) but I will love that its officially released
[07:14] <tritium> pvh, oh, sure, you can get involved in many ways :)
[07:14] <pvh> tritium: i guess fire-control in forums and stuff like that would be useful.
[07:14] <Enspyron> us there a bew version?
[07:15] <Enspyron> is*
[07:15] <pvh> Enspyron: tomorrow Hoary Hedgehog drops
[07:15] <tritium> Enspyron, Hoary release in a matter of hours
[07:15] <pvh> Enspyron: maybe today in your time zone
[07:15] <EvilIdler> My local Hoary mirror just received update source packages..
[07:15] <ryman> I'm waiting
[07:15] <tritium> pvh, #ubuntu-love is where you can find out more about getting involved
[07:16] <kakalto> how do I find out where my mouse input is?
[07:16] <pvh> tritium: cool. i'll stop by after my file-system is compiling.
[07:16] <tritium> pvh, cool :)
[07:16] <kakalto> cat /dev/input ?
[07:16] <chong> /sev/input/mice
[07:16] <george_> arg.  lets say I'm trying to change a file yum-2.2.1 that's owned by account already, and all the files inside it, which are owned by root, so that they are all owned by account.  What do I type?  I hate to ask but I've read the man so many times and it just doens't seem to work in the way I interpret it =/
[07:16] <chong> *dev
[07:16] <Kamping_kaiser> seven_six_two , hows it gone?
[07:18] <biatche_> in how many hours is 0800 UTC?
[07:18] <kakalto> wish me luck, guys
[07:19] <tritium> biatche_, just under 3
[07:19] <chong> 1:40
[07:19] <Lancellor> other question how would you install this software this is the name of the file     "kaid-<IP_ADDRESS>-linux_x86.tar.bz2"
[07:19] <smouche> somebody mentioned lynx and links -- I just downloaded "elinks" from synaptic -- it's marked as "supported" by ubuntu
[07:19] <Kamping_kaiser> george_ chown -R george.george /yum-2.2.1
[07:19] <Enspyron> on the ftp at the official website, it has 2 maps called 5.04 and hoary. the description of the map is the same (ubuntu 5.04) what is the difference?
[07:19] <Kamping_kaiser> none
[07:19] <smouche> so far, elinks seems like an amazing improvement over lynx
[07:19] <chong> Enspyron, they go to the same thing
[07:19] <chong> symlinks methinks
[07:19] <Lancellor> and is in my home-abinadid-Documents
[07:20] <Enspyron> actually, hoary links to http://stuwww.uvt.nl/ubuntu/hoary/ and 5.04 links to http://stuwww.uvt.nl/ubuntu/5.04/
[07:21] <Enspyron> symlinks?
[07:22] <kakalto> guys, hoary thoroughly screwed my system
[07:23] <kakalto> wtf am I meant to do?
[07:23] <libben> reinstall?
[07:23] <Enspyron> what happened?
[07:23] <kakalto> F#$%#$%#$
[07:23] <Enspyron> lol
[07:24] <kakalto> I upgraded to hoary, and xorg won't accept my system. that's what happened
[07:24] <chong> kakalto, how bad did it screw you?
[07:24] <chong> ohse
[07:24] <chong> umm
[07:24] <bob2> "won't accept my system" isn't a bug report
[07:24] <chong> that sux
[07:24] <kakalto> I feel violated
[07:24] <kakalto> bob2, it won't give me a bug repory
[07:24] <libben> kakalto, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[07:24] <kakalto> report
[07:24] <bob2> do you mean, "the X autoconfiguration magic failed to produce working config"?
[07:24] <george_> thanks very much, the mistake I made was more of a pathing mistake, but the example helped =)
[07:24] <Kamping_kaiser> kakalto you reinstalled through x
[07:24] <kakalto> libben,
[07:25] <Kamping_kaiser> ;) no worries george_
[07:25] <kakalto> I already did that 3 times
[07:25] <tritium> kakalto, have you inspected /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[07:25] <chong> kakalto, use yer old xf86config
[07:25] <kakalto> tritim, no, I haven't
[07:25] <Kamping_kaiser> kakalto. at your console apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade will fix it
[07:25] <tritium> chong, hoary uses xorg
[07:25] <chong> er well copy and paste bits out
[07:25] <chong> tritium, xorg is little more than a xfree4.4 fork at this point
[07:25] <chong> the config files are mostly the same
[07:25] <tritium> yes, that's fair to say
[07:25] <daniels> chong: er, there's a staggering difference between 4.4 and 6.8
[07:26] <Kamping_kaiser> kakalto. i did the same thing
[07:26] <chong> daniels, not in the config file lingo
[07:26] <chong> from what i've seen
[07:26] <holycow> tritium, so i noticed today, all to my surprise
[07:26] <kakalto> Kamping_kaiser, I'll give it a go
[07:26] <Kamping_kaiser> :) good luck mate
[07:26] <tritium> holycow, what's that?
[07:26] <daniels> chong: the config file is the same because there's no need to change it
[07:26] <kakalto> why didn't they go with xorg from the start?
[07:26] <Kamping_kaiser> bbs
[07:26] <daniels> kakalto: not enough time
[07:26] <chong> daniels, and if he's left with a nonworking config then i see no reason why he cant just copy and paste bits from his xfree config ;)
[07:26] <kakalto> schedules always screw things up
[07:27] <chong> i mean its better than nothing
[07:27] <kakalto> look at Halo 2
[07:27] <RuffianSoldier> Halo 2 = Lamo 2
[07:27] <kakalto> it's so short
[07:27] <tritium> kakalto, I wouldn't go pointing blame at the release just yet...
[07:28] <kakalto> I followed the wiki hoaryupgradenotes directly
[07:28] <i3dmaster> anyone knows how to change the charset for a channel? Im using irssi.
[07:28] <holycow> tritium, xorg
[07:29] <Kamping_kaiser> kakalto. i think what happend (if its the same as me) is that X.org didnt install properly
[07:29] <tritium> holycow, oh, okay :)
[07:29] <libben> i3dmaster, have u tried /charset iso-8859-15 ?
[07:29] <holycow> :)
[07:29] <libben> dont know if it works like that
[07:29] <kakalto> wish me luck, I'm gonna go reboot
[07:29] <libben> but hav e utryed
[07:29] <libben> god luck
[07:29] <Kamping_kaiser> good luck kakalto
[07:29] <i3dmaster> libben: irssi has not such cmd. I've tried before
[07:29] <kakalto> Kamping_kaiser, I expect it's an issue with xorg installation
[07:29] <libben> man irssi?
[07:29] <i3dmaster> not like xchat
[07:29] <libben> or /j #irssi
[07:30] <Kamping_kaiser> lol @ kakalto
[07:30] <i3dmaster> asked, no one reply
[07:30] <ryman> I followed this page http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211&highlight=audigy
[07:30] <libben> ok
[07:30] <libben> www.google.com / irrsi+charset
[07:30] <ryman> after I added those line "snd-pcm oss ..." into the etc/modules
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> Hello all
[07:30] <ryman> how do I save it ?
[07:30] <libben> im sure u will find an answer on that search
[07:30] <ryman> hi Dr_Willis
[07:31] <Kamping_kaiser> hi dr_willis
[07:31] <i3dmaster> libben: k, let me try google it
[07:32] <kakalto> GRRRR
[07:32] <ryman> someone please help me with saving those line into the etc/modules
[07:32] <ryman> =(
[07:32] <kakalto> let me guess... I need to do another dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[07:32] <tritium> kakalto, what did your log file indicate?
[07:33] <kakalto> I don't know, what was the path again?
[07:33] <tritium> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:33] <libben> var/log/XorTAB
[07:34] <kakalto> tritium, exactly what part of it am I looking at?
[07:34] <kakalto> I think I found it
[07:34] <kakalto> "no screens found"
[07:34] <kakalto> >:(
[07:34] <tritium> kakalto, look for (EE)
[07:35] <tritium> kakalto, can you paste it to pastebin.com
[07:36] <|QuaD-> hey, can someone tell me if an swf (flash) file i made shows up decently? on my linux box it is coming out horrible
[07:36] <tritium> kakalto, or in #flood
[07:36] <kakalto> what, the whole thing, or just the EE line?
[07:36] <tritium> kakalto, a few lines above the (EE) line as well might be helpful
[07:36] <kakalto> tritium, in #flood
[07:37] <kakalto> k
[07:37] <tritium> ok
[07:38] <mrwoot> hey, i just installed ubuntu. How do i mount my other harddrives?
[07:39] <mrwoot> hey, i just installed ubuntu. How do i mount my other harddrives?
[07:39] <Burgundavia> mrwoot: what kinds?
[07:40] <mrwoot> harddrives?
[07:40] <libben> sata?
[07:40] <mrwoot> libben, one is sATA, and one is ATA
[07:41] <Burgundavia> sorry, I wasn't clear
[07:42] <Burgundavia> I was asking if they were windows, or other linux partitions
[07:42] <mrwoot> one is just a storage (sATA one), and one has windows installed on it
[07:42] <jacquesmerde> are we there yet? are we there yet?
[07:42] <kakalto> how on earth do I select something in nano?
[07:43] <jacquesmerde> kakalto, when you find out, please let me know!
[07:43] <libben> just drag with mouse?
[07:43] <EvilIdler> kakalto: ctrl-g for help
[07:43] <jacquesmerde> libben, what if you're in console?
[07:43] <tritium> kakalto, do you have a a webspace somewhere you can scp it to?
[07:44] <kakalto> no
[07:44] <kakalto> libben you %$#^%$, there is no mouse without X
[07:44] <libben> jacquesmerde, dont know =).. uuh.. u can install mouse driver in console also
[07:44] <EvilIdler> kakalto: meta-A to mark beginning of selection
[07:44] <libben> kakalto, yes there
[07:44] <libben> is
[07:44] <kakalto> do tell me
[07:44] <mrwoot> anyone willing to help?
[07:44] <kakalto> about it
[07:44] <kakalto> libben
[07:45] <EvilIdler> kakalto: gpm is the mouse program, I think
[07:45] <libben> yes
[07:45] <libben> thats the one
[07:45] <libben> was looking for a package..
[07:45] <libben> well u need to install gpm
[07:45] <libben> mdetect its called
[07:45] <libben> and works under console
[07:45] <libben> if i dont remember correctly
[07:46] <libben> it autodetects.
[07:46] <libben> or install gpm
[07:46] <kakalto> I'm getting seriously pissed off with this
[07:46] <ryman> anyone know how to enable the analog/digital output jack in 'alsamixer' for audigy2 ?
[07:46] <tritium> kakalto, calm down
[07:46] <ryman> please help me
[07:46] <libben> apt-get install gpm or apt-get install mdetect
[07:47] <kakalto> and how do I paste in irssi?
[07:47] <libben> i would try mdetect first
[07:47] <tritium> kakalto, if you can't paste the log file, don't worry about it.  Just describe the problem to us.
[07:47] <EricNeon> jdub
[07:47] <libben> if u have mouse. middle button... scroll wheel click.
[07:47] <libben> if u have mouse
[07:47] <kakalto> kalto, if you can't paste the log file, don't worry about
[07:47] <kakalto>                  it.  Just describe the problem to us.
[07:47] <kakalto> 17:47 < EricNeon> jdub
[07:47] <kakalto> 17:47 < libben> if u have mouse. middle button... scroll wheel click.
[07:47] <kakalto> oh that was good
[07:48] <EricNeon> jdubwhen our mailing list run?
[07:48] <tritium> kakalto, try "/exec -o cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log" in #flood
[07:48] <seven_six_two> hiya. i tried to get the new games in my menu, but i want to add some by hand
[07:48] <seven_six_two> i can only seem to add the launcher to the panel
[07:49] <kakalto> tritium, I managed to paste
[07:49] <libben> how?
[07:49] <tritium> I'm looking
[07:49] <seven_six_two> is there a way to do this in gnome manually?
[07:49] <helloyo> seven_six_two, its stupid but currently you need a special tool to do it, nothing official
[07:50] <seven_six_two> lol. what might that tool be?
[07:52] <kakalto> libben, the mouse thing. thanks
[07:52] <libben> wich one ? mdetect or gpm?
[07:53] <jmi> Just upgraded to Hoary - how do I get spatial back on Nautilus?
[07:53] <seven_six_two> do they not include the special tool? or is menu editing too esoteric for their target audience?  lol
[07:54] <libben> seven_six_two, app app =) still not released =) just preview =)
[07:54] <Hmmmm> how many hours for the hoary release?
[07:54] <libben> i have menu-editor
[07:54] <kakalto> libben, gpm
[07:54] <Hmmmm> im getting my BT heated and running for it
[07:54] <tritium> seven_six_two, it's not an ubuntu decision.  It's due to adopting the freedesktop.org standards.  It's just a transition period.
[07:54] <libben> ok
[07:54] <robitaille> Hmmmm,  2 hours
[07:55] <Hmmmm> robin__, thanks
[07:55] <seven_six_two> hmm...so menu-editor then
[07:55] <Hmmmm> btw does it get releaed by southa african time?
[07:55] <tritium> 8:00 UTC
[07:55] <kakalto> how on earth do I exit VIM!!?!
[07:56] <tritium> :q
[07:56] <libben> never use it for first of =)
[07:56] <Kamping_kaiser> kakalto <esc><esc> :q
[07:56] <libben> use nano
[07:56] <kakalto> it won't let me!
[07:56] <libben> ctrl c
[07:56] <libben> ?
[07:56] <kakalto> nope
[07:56] <markpr> kakalto: type :q!
[07:56] <kakalto> I usually use nano
[07:56] <kakalto> markpr, I did!!
[07:56] <kakalto> It said the file has been changed, and ignored me
[07:56] <markpr> kakalto: escape twice, then :q!
[07:56] <libben> anyone in here succeded in using bluetooth?
[07:57] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[07:57] <Kamping_kaiser> do you want to save kakalto?
[07:57] <Kamping_kaiser> :wq
[07:57] <HrdwrBoB> but I have lost my bluetooth dongle
[07:57] <kakalto> gah
[07:57] <HrdwrBoB> and my phone is at home :(
[07:57] <kakalto> sorry about my ignorance, markpr, but I'm stressed out at the moment
[07:57] <tritium> seven_six_two, no, there is no menu editor yet
[07:58] <chron> anyone else have problems with modem detection in k/ubuntu?
[07:58] <benja> libben, i use bluetooth
[07:59] <chron> i had to boot knoppix to use kppp. ubuntu won't detect my external modem :-/
[08:00] <seven_six_two> ah i c. i thought you meant nothing official
[08:00] <libben> benja, ?
[08:00] <seven_six_two> thats not fun. can it be done by hand?
[08:01] <libben> u installed what to get it working?
[08:01] <george_> after I've used dpkg -b on a .deb file to get control.tar.gz anddata.tar.gz and a debian binary (those are the actual files), what do I do to install them to my computer?
[08:01] <huhe> i want to learn about this wonderful distro of ubuntu
[08:01] <george_> sorry for all the questions, heh
[08:01] <agris> hello my hoary started to freeze when i am using mozilla, or firefox, does anyone elsa has this problem?
[08:02] <libben> not me
[08:02] <seven_six_two> nor I
[08:02] <tritium> not me
[08:02] <orko> huhe: www.ubuntulinux.org
[08:02] <huhe> got it.  thanks
[08:03] <huhe> i am trying to install libdvdcss2 however it says it refers to another package.  i'm using hoary.  is it in multiverse ?
[08:03] <Kamping_kaiser> george_ try dpkg -i debfile. dont extract it
[08:03] <george_> ah.  thanks
[08:04] <tritium> I just noticed /etc/issue has "\n \l" at the end...that's odd
[08:04] <tritium> huhe, no, that's in Marillat's repo
[08:04] <huhe> should i get libdvdcss2 and then scrap the repository ?  i dont want things conflicting with things
[08:05] <HiddenWolf> huhe, right
[08:05] <huhe> also i hope i can upgrade to the official version from this release candidate
[08:05] <huhe> i hate doing double work
[08:05] <huhe> great
[08:05] <huhe> thank you
[08:05] <HiddenWolf> huhe, that'll be done for you, automaticly
[08:05] <huhe> very good
[08:05] <chron> anyone using dial-up ppp in ubuntu?
[08:05] <huhe> i appreciate the help
[08:06] <HiddenWolf> huhe, or just type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in about two hours :)
[08:06] <huhe> its out in two hours ???
[08:06] <tritium> yep
[08:06] <huhe> most excellent
[08:06] <agris> :)
[08:06] <huhe> i hope its exciting
[08:06] <huhe> countdown 3am :)
[08:07] <HiddenWolf> huhe, it should be totally alike from what you just installed, save for updated translations, new artwork, and a bugfix or two
[08:07] <huhe> i hope it comes with a new kernel.  i always get excited when new kernels come out
[08:07] <Kamping_kaiser> it does
[08:07] <huhe> thats fine
[08:07] <HiddenWolf> huhe, it's stil 2.6.10, but a new revision by ubuntu devs
[08:07] <huhe> though i'm used to nforce2 boards which i haven't had the best of luck with on linux
[08:08] <ac-id> why doesnt it say that hoary has been released?
[08:08] <tritium> because 2 hours need to pass first
[08:08] <HiddenWolf> ac-id, it'll be out in two hours
[08:08] <huhe> this one is VIA but has flawed chipset :(  i'm hoping t hey can save it through a bios update so i dont have to RMA the board and be without a computer
[08:09] <ac-id> 2 hours?
[08:09] <ac-id> :(
[08:09] <tritium> ac-id, yes
[08:09] <kakalto> Guys, the hoary upgrade has thoroughly screwed my system
[08:10] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, how?
[08:10] <kakalto> xorg won't work
[08:10] <sunpascal> hello
[08:10] <tritium> kakalto, I don't think it's so thorough.  i think it's a simple problem with xorg
[08:10] <kakalto> a simple problem that requires 100 hours to find
[08:10] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, ati or nvidia card?
[08:10] <sunpascal> anyone know how to enhance performance on a 200 mhz machine with only 64 mb ram
[08:10] <kkathman> kakalko, what happened?
[08:10] <kakalto> nvidia
[08:11] <huhe> is that upgrade from warty to hoary release candidate ?
[08:11] <HiddenWolf> sunpascal, de-install gnome
[08:11] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, using nv or nvidia drivers?
[08:11] <Kamping_kaiser> sunpascal in what way?
[08:11] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, I've tried both
[08:11] <sunpascal> I like gnome, HiddenWolf
[08:11] <kakalto> huhe, upgrade from 'net
[08:11] <kkathman> sunpascal, whew a tall order...start by not running a big desktop manager...i.e. try xfce not Gnome or KDE
[08:11] <huhe> sunpascal, lots of people hate gnome but i love it too
[08:12] <HiddenWolf> sunpascal, gnome is a memory-hog not ment to run on anything with less than 128mb
[08:12] <sunpascal> HiddenWolf: OpenOffice is just too heavy
[08:12] <HiddenWolf> sunpascal, true, it's a bitch
[08:12] <huhe> maybe its because hoary is in a transitory process but you'd think they'd have sense enough to change the links
[08:12] <tritium> huhe, have you not updated/upgraded since installing the release candidate?
[08:12] <_blue> man, i wish i could just set cron to wget the isos
[08:12] <kkathman> sunpascal, I had a machine with 96mb and when I switched to XFCE it was much more performant
[08:12] <_blue> but noooooo
[08:12] <huhe> yes i have
[08:12] <_blue> they wont tell me when
[08:12] <huhe> i am updated
[08:13] <HiddenWolf> huhe, in 99% of the cases the upgrade goes very smooth
[08:13] <sunpascal> ok, what else is there other than Open Office?
[08:13] <matt__> whats the commandline switch to tell totem to play an audio cd, (i know that dvd:// works for dvds)
[08:13] <huhe> i am scared of the marillat though.  i'll give libdvdcss2 a try.
[08:13] <reparks> was in here a bit ago and sum 1 told me to go to System > Preferences > Removable Drives to stop the icon from apearing on the desktop
[08:13] <HiddenWolf> sunpascal, abiword
[08:13] <kkathman> sunpascal, is there no way you can upgrade the memory at all?
[08:13] <kakalto> freaking xorg/xf86
[08:13] <HiddenWolf> huhe, marillat is quite safe, there isn't a desktop debian-deriviate user who doesn't use it
[08:13] <reparks> but that doesnt stop it, that just makes it stop autoloading, when i mount it manualy it still gets on the desktop
[08:14] <chron> kakalto, what kind of gl problem are you having?
[08:14] <kakalto> I don't know, but x won't start
[08:14] <reparks> is there any way to stop removable drives and CDs and stuff from showing up on the desktop *period*
[08:14] <kkathman> HiddenWolf, I thought that marillat was only for Warty, for Hoary too?
[08:14] <huhe> before i install libdvdcss2 do i need to create an encryption key ?
[08:14] <sunpascal> kkathman, I already doubled the ram ....
[08:14] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, it'd help if you would file a bug in bugzilla and append your xorg logs
[08:14] <huhe> to identify with hoary
[08:14] <HiddenWolf> kkathman, it is quite safe with hoary as well, yeah
[08:14] <kakalto> gah!
[08:15] <chron> are you using nvidia drivers kakalto?
[08:15] <kakalto> I've tried both nv & nvidia, neither work
[08:15] <BuffaloSoldier> kkathman, hello sir
[08:15] <sunpascal> HiddenWolf, I thought of abiword, too. Is it a lot faster?
[08:15] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, I want a gui working soon, not in 6 months
[08:15] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, we'll help you fix it if you give us the error, but the devs need to know about messed up upgrades so they can trace it and fix it
[08:15] <sataere> Hey everyone, I'm having a problem with mplayer, it won't play ogm files.  I will start it up with mplayer movie.ogm, and it will say "playing movie.ogm" and for a while, my system does a lot of work but no video pops up or anything, and then it quits out like it played the movie fine.
[08:15] <kkathman> sunpascal, I gave up on the 96 mb system personally.. spent $299 bought parts and put together a nice 512 mb machine with AMD 2500+. CD. and 40GB...runs KDE like a top
[08:15] <HiddenWolf> sunpascal, no clue, sorry
[08:16] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, I posted my xorg logs in #flood a few minutes ago
[08:16] <sunpascal> kkathman, yeah I know. I've got a fast machine too. Just thought I could get this old thing to run with linux.
[08:16] <kkathman> sunpascal, you can get by on 256 fairly easily as long as you have a dedicated video card
[08:16] <kakalto> but navigating the 'net with lynx isn't the easiest task
[08:16] <matt__> whats the commandline switch to tell totem to play an audio cd, (i know that dvd:// works for dvds)
[08:16] <kkathman> sunpascal, yeah, I had an old HP Pavillion...frustrated me more than anything :)
[08:17] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, give me the link to bugzilla, and I might just get the bug on there
[08:17] <seven_six_two> kakalto, can you paste them again?
[08:17] <Dre> is Ubuntu a good choice for someone who is new to linux?
[08:17] <kkathman> Dre, yes a very good choice in fact
[08:17] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Ubuntu
[08:17] <Artemis3> yes
[08:17] <kakalto> seven_six_two, give me a few moments
[08:17] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, thanks
[08:17] <sunpascal> Dre, Ubuntu is really good for beginners.
[08:17] <Dre> okie
[08:17] <lmx> sorry to join and ask a question that has been asked a million times already i'm sure... but any idea how far away ubuntu is? hard to work out with the timezones etc
[08:17] <Dre> which one do I download?
[08:17] <kakalto> Dre, so long as you don't try to upgrade from warty to hoary
[08:18] <deFrysk> Dre, specially on this channel people think its a good choice
[08:18] <Olsen> can i get the entire repository on cd or something? i want to install ubuntu on a computer that don't have internet access
[08:18] <sunpascal> Dre: It's got a lot of graphical configuration utilities
[08:18] <HiddenWolf> dre, wait a few hours
[08:18] <Dre> does it have grub/lilo?
[08:18] <HiddenWolf> dre, new release will be out in 2 hours
[08:18] <HiddenWolf> dre, grub
[08:18] <seven_six_two> i might choose another for a beginner, but it wasn't too bad
[08:18] <Dre> oh okie
[08:18] <sataere> Hey everyone, I'm having a problem with mplayer, it won't play ogm files.  I will start it up with mplayer movie.ogm, and it will say "playing movie.ogm" and for a while, my system does a lot of work but no video pops up or anything, and then it quits out like it played the movie fine.
[08:18] <Dre> thanks HiddenWolf
[08:18] <HiddenWolf> seven_six_two, and fedora is good?
[08:19] <kkathman> Dre, I tried RH9, Libranet, FC3 and Ubuntu, and the latter was the only one of those that installed without a hitch and recognized all my hardware
[08:19] <seven_six_two> i tried it for 2 days on core 1
[08:19] <HiddenWolf> sataere, we heard you, apperantly nobody can help, try again in half an hour or so
[08:19] <seven_six_two> didn't give it enough time to judge
[08:19] <Dre> great!
[08:19] <HiddenWolf> seven_six_two, brave man, I ditched in an hour
[08:19] <Dre> how about compiling stuff.. does it have a big lib?
[08:19] <seven_six_two> i think mandrake is easy to set up
[08:19] <_blue> it is :)
[08:19] <seven_six_two> suse too
[08:19] <HiddenWolf> dre, I'd be very suprized if you'd need to compile anything
[08:20] <_blue> im using ubuntu on a test box for now
[08:20] <_blue> still keeping mandrake as primary OS
[08:20] <Dre> I'm doing my C++
[08:20] <HiddenWolf> seven_six_two, suse is a castrated old dog, imho
[08:20] <tritium> HiddenWolf, are you going to answer the pong reply to your ping?
[08:20] <kakalto> oh great
[08:20] <kkathman> Dre, you can install gcc for that
[08:20] <sunpascal> anyone know some other word processir than open office or abiword?
[08:20] <sataere> HiddenWolf, just checking, often I post once and nobody replies, then I post again and I have three people offering suggestions ;)
[08:20] <seven_six_two> lol. it was easy to set up though
[08:20] <Dre> oh okie
[08:20] <kakalto> now I messed around with the configuration files, I don't get errors in my logs
[08:20] <_blue> sunpascal: try word
[08:20] <Olsen> can i get the entire repository on cd or something? i want to install ubuntu on a computer that don't have internet access
[08:20] <kakalto> #%#$^
[08:20] <_blue> in cxoffice
[08:20] <turf> can i install mplayer in my ubuntu running on a ppc architecture? ill use the source!
[08:20] <kakalto> Olsen, you want 14000 packages on cd?
[08:20] <kkathman> sunpascal, well its primitive, but you could always try gedit I guess
[08:20] <Dre> the problem is, I'm so used to windows that I'm afraid of partitioning it wrongly
[08:21] <kkathman> Dre, Ubuntu will do it for you
[08:21] <HiddenWolf> tritium, sorry, got carried away
[08:21] <Dre> oh okie
[08:21] <tritium> HiddenWolf, :)
[08:21] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, I can't post a bug
[08:21] <holycow> mandrake just changed their name to mandrive
[08:21] <sunpascal> kkathman, gedit isn't enough
[08:21] <Olsen> kakalto: what should i do then?
[08:21] <sataere> I think ubuntu is a bit too easy to set up.  I use pppoe, and it detected it as normal ethernet, so it tried to check the package database and hung there for a good half hour.
[08:21] <holycow> buahahaha
[08:21] <kakalto> the logs don't show the error
[08:21] <holycow> stupidest name evar
[08:21] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, don't have an acount?
[08:21] <kkathman> sunpascal, sorry, it was worth a shot I guess
[08:21] <kakalto> Olsen, don't ask me, I got serious issues
[08:21] <sunpascal> kkathman, would be nice if it was able to do some formatting
[08:21] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, no
[08:22] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, also, I have no bug to report, apart from that X doesn't start
[08:22] <kkathman> mandiva I think not mandrive
[08:22] <kakalto> the log files don't show any errors any more
[08:22] <Flonne> Mandriva*
[08:22] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, well, that, and your logs should be enough to start with
[08:22] <sataere> I also dislike havng my root account use the same password as my user account, but that's personal preference I suppose.
[08:22] <HiddenWolf> sataere, root is disabled by default
[08:22] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, ok...
[08:22] <sunpascal> I have no idea where to start looking for a low resource- word processor