[03:15] <avis> what is a japanese linux american's can use ?
[03:15] <avis> thats nice
[04:06] <Emmanuel_Chanel> I don't know. I've used only internationalized linux from overseas: RedHat/Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, and Linux Mint.


[11:38] <alan_g> alf__: OK now? https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/mesa-reconstruct-buffer/+merge/255722
[11:38] <alf__> alan_g: yes, approved
[11:39] <alan_g> :)
[16:53] <duflu> mterry: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/development-branch/view/head:/doc/demo_shell_controls.md
[16:54] <racarr> Can I have one more review on nested-cursor-pass-through? I feel like there have been too many changes since the last review
[16:54] <racarr> anpok: You are needs information which should be addressed
[21:32] <racarr> Ahhhh. New-input-dispatcher seems to be working fine :) now in the extract small branches out of it phase


[07:24] <dholbach> good morning!
[14:23] <highvoltage> good morning mr dholbach
[14:25] <dholbach> hey highvoltage
[18:31] <txwikinger> no meeting today?
[19:18] <heros> hello
[19:18] <heros> is ubuntu ngo a special NGO distro
[19:19] <highvoltage> heros: nope
[19:19] <highvoltage> heros: it's meant to expose NGO's to Ubuntu and get software into Ubuntu that may be useful to NGO and other types of non-profit organisations
[19:20] <heros> highvoltage from south africa
[19:20] <heros> hi
[19:20] <highvoltage> heros: hey
[19:20] <heros> a nother nic on twitter is airjump :)
[19:20] <highvoltage> aaah, now I know who you are :)
[20:01] <leighman> anything I can do re. Ubuntu-NGO at the moment?
[20:41] <highvoltage> leighman: it would be nice if the team got a bit of a 'greasing'. get meetings going again, team reports, etc. I would if I had the time, but I don't
[20:42] <highvoltage> leighman: whatever you do, talk about it, people tend to get motivated when they read about other people doing stuff :)
[20:51] <leighman> I could try :P
[20:52] <highvoltage> great


[01:20] <administrador> Hi. I am using Lubuntu 14.04 64bits. So, all of a sudden Pcmanfm did not launch, I reset the panel and stuff I could find in the internet and now in the menu I only have a run and logout option, I am in Lubuntu Netbook edition since it is the only DE I could login, not LXDE or Openbox I could login, How do I reset all Lubuntu?
[03:12] <aidrocsid> Any of y'all know the difference between Lubuntu and Peppermint? Is it just pre-installed programs?
[05:11] <administrador> I am using Lubuntu 14.04 64bits. I have installed the amdgpu-pro_16.15.2-277429 driver and  Vulkan, rebooted but I do not know how to access a GUI to change my monitor resolution
[05:11] <administrador> hello everyone.
[05:38] <administrador> anyone?
[15:07] <suncokret> how lubuntu 16.04 works? is it better to install it now or to wait some time?
[18:46] <d9500> is there any method to change wallpapers in lubuntu-lxqt independent of changing the whole theme?
[18:47] <d9500> or are the lxqt theme and the wallpaper tied together for now?
[20:52] <n-iCe> hi
[21:52] <stairsandflowers> hello!  i use a latin american keyboard layout, with Ñ key included, which is working. since upgrading to 16.04, the key beside the letter P, which allows for typing accented vowels, does not work. pressing it + a vowel doesn't return á, é, í, ó or ú, just the vowel itself. how can i re-enable the dead key? there is no "latin american, with dead keys" option in my keyboard settings. apologies for such a noob question
[22:13] <n-iCe> stairsandflowers: a mi me funciona
[22:14] <stairsandflowers> (se permite el español en este channel?) and how do you set it up?
[22:14] <n-iCe> ááááá
[22:14] <n-iCe> sí funciona
[22:15] <n-iCe> es que justo ahora estoy en ubuntu
[22:15] <n-iCe> pero en la instalacion le di
[22:15] <n-iCe> spanish latin america
[22:15] <stairsandflowers> so did i.
[22:15] <n-iCe> n osera tu tecla que no sirve
[22:15] <n-iCe> que pasa si la aprietas
[22:15] <stairsandflowers> funciona si uso otro layout. (us, international with dead keys)
[22:16] <n-iCe> que raro
[22:16] <n-iCe> a mi me va bien
[22:16] <stairsandflowers> no ocurre nada. si luego presiono una vocal aparece sin acento.
[22:16] <stairsandflowers> sep. antes funcionaba bien.
[22:16] <stairsandflowers> y no he cambiado nada.
[22:16] <n-iCe> Pero sí he usado lubuntu
[22:17] <stairsandflowers> mi setup esta en spanish, latin american  ya.
[22:18] <n-iCe> No se me ocurre nada
[22:18] <stairsandflowers> me haria falta la opcion spanish latam with dead keys. si la us funciona, deberia haber una para latam quizas
[22:18] <n-iCe> Mas que ve a teclado
[22:18] <stairsandflowers> no lo se
[22:18] <n-iCe> Fijate que sea la primera opción
[22:18] <n-iCe> Y default
[22:18] <stairsandflowers> asi es, es la primera y es defaut
[22:18] <stairsandflowers> default
[22:20] <n-iCe> prueba el live cd
[22:20] <n-iCe> a ver sí ahí funciona
[22:20] <n-iCe> que algo no se haya instalado
[22:20] <n-iCe> com los idiomas
[22:20] <n-iCe> las actualizaciones
[22:21] <stairsandflowers> hm, esta todo actualizado
[22:21] <stairsandflowers> el idioma al menos
[22:21] <stairsandflowers> ya lo revise antes.
[22:29] <stairsandflowers> no se si me he perdido de algo, mi firefox se colgo
[22:32] <n-iCe> que raro jaja
[22:32] <n-iCe> No
[22:33] <n-iCe> Nada, funciona bien, está raro que a ti no.
[22:34] <stairsandflowers> si, lo se
[22:34] <stairsandflowers> muy rarp
[22:34] <stairsandflowers> raro
[22:35] <stairsandflowers> ademas, soy bastante nueva en lo que es lubuntu. tampoco es que conozco ajustes avanzados con los que experimentar.
[23:08] <pod_> helllllooooo
[23:08] <pod_> ugh, i need some help to sway me back to lubuntu :s
[23:09] <pod_> i thought i would try mint, and i'm not liking the cinammon or xcfe and feeling like i should jsut re-do it with lubuntu
[23:11] <n-iCe> reinstall
[23:11] <pod_> you think so? :D
[23:11] <pod_> i miss the days of old with fvwm, mwm, etc on sun sparcs
[23:12] <pod_> also
[23:12] <pod_> is it just me, or is firefox jsut a steaming pile?
[23:12] <pod_> i'm 41yrs old and finally bought my own computer (always had work computers)
[23:13] <pod_> and got a 6th gen core i5, 8gb ram, 2 x 1TB HDD and 1 512gb SSD
[23:13] <pod_> asus, for $450
[23:13] <n-iCe> that's just great
[23:13] <pod_> lol
[23:13] <n-iCe> lubuntu will fly there
[23:13] <pod_> i normally use chrome
[23:13] <pod_> but i loaded up firefox
[23:14] <pod_> and just go to some regular website like stupid cnn.com and firefox is back to it's usualy tricks of taking up 110% cpu time
[23:14] <pod_> and i feel like i'm on my old shitty laptop
[23:14] <pod_> :/
[23:14] <n-iCe> I have never used firefox
[23:14] <n-iCe> so no idea
[23:14] <n-iCe> I use chrome as well
[23:15] <pod_> but yeah, thinking of just going back to lubuntu, i have tried mint for the last couple days once i got past u?efi boot issues
[23:15] <n-iCe> just disable safe boot
[23:15] <n-iCe> should not affect uefi I think.
[23:15] <n-iCe> Right now I'm using Ubuntu.
[23:16] <pod_> my main issue was never-ending pcieport error messages
[23:16] <n-iCe> Wanted to try 16.04 LTS Ubuntu.
[23:16] <pod_> i spent many hours trying to figure it out, googling, on chat etc
[23:16] <pod_> nobody could help
[23:16] <n-iCe> about what
[23:16] <pod_> lemme get a paste of the error
[23:17] <pod_> pcieport 0000:00:1c:6: PCIe Bus Error: severity=Corrected, type=Physical Layer, id=00e6(Receiver ID)
[23:17] <n-iCe> but where and why you get that
[23:17] <pod_> erors like that, neverending, i couldn't boot
[23:17] <pod_> i supressed them with adding in boot command option "pci=nomsi"
[23:17] <n-iCe> cannot you disable it on bios'
[23:18] <pod_> but it turned out there was a bios/efi option for "pci-express power management" or something like that, which i disabled
[23:18] <pod_> and that got rid of it
[23:18] <n-iCe> Good
[23:18] <pod_> but all my googling, chatting, nobody came up with solution
[23:18] <n-iCe> but finally you got it working.
[23:18] <n-iCe> That's good.
[23:18] <pod_> but anyways, yes, i got it working
[23:18] <n-iCe> Anyway with that laptop, you can use any distro you want.
[23:18] <pod_> but thinking i want to go back to lubuntu
[23:19] <pod_> oh, my asus is a desktop
[23:19] <pod_> can't stand laptops, and have no need for one - i still have an old i3 laptop
[23:19] <n-iCe> oh good
[23:19] <n-iCe> :)
[23:19] <n-iCe> I can't use a desktop.
[23:19] <pod_> well, i do need a laptop, but jsut for car stuff
[23:19] <n-iCe> Can't live without my lap.
[23:20] <pod_> i'm a VW guy, and i need something to plug into the car to talk to the ecu
[23:20] <pod_> but for the house, i just want a nice simple fast desktop that i can use to play media and all my other computing needs
[23:21] <n-iCe> lubuntu should work.
[23:21] <n-iCe> all desktops are gonna be fast in that hardware.
[23:21] <pod_> thats what i was using for the last couple years
[23:21] <pod_> for work and then personal
[23:22] <n-iCe> I use Ubuntu 16.04 in a i5 3gen 8Gb RAM 250HD
[23:22] <pod_> n-iCe: except when using firefox lol
[23:22] <n-iCe> And is extremadly fast
[23:22] <n-iCe> pod_: let me open firefox to check
[23:22] <n-iCe> hold on
[23:22] <pod_> do it
[23:22] <n-iCe> don't think is that way
[23:22] <pod_> load up firefox
[23:22] <pod_> go to cnn.com
[23:22] <pod_> then run top
[23:22] <n-iCe> ok right now I am using 3.2GB RAM
[23:23] <pod_> every linux i've used over the years, firefox has always been a raging bloat
[23:23] <pod_> even this fresh install of mint 17.3
[23:23] <n-iCe> loading cnn
[23:23] <n-iCe> and RAM went to 3.5GB
[23:23] <pod_> don't forget to read all the important news !
[23:23] <n-iCe> 300MB
[23:23] <n-iCe> is not that much
[23:23] <pod_> what about cpu usage?
[23:24] <n-iCe> does not go up than 9%
[23:24] <n-iCe> not any of my 4 proccesors
[23:24] <pod_> weird
[23:24] <pod_> here i am now:
[23:24] <n-iCe> And I have chrome with 4 tabs, facebook, whatsapp yahoo and google translate
[23:24] <pod_> 1835 gl        20   0 1689820 186744  85392 S   3.3  2.3   2:20.17 cinnamon     1272 root      20   0 1359460<PHONE_NUMBER>64 S   2.3  3.0   1:22.45 Xorg
[23:24] <pod_> crappy paste
[23:24] <pod_> but thats without firefox
[23:25] <n-iCe> checked
[23:25] <pod_> got some cinammon and xorg
[23:25] <n-iCe> firefox just using 330MB
[23:25] <pod_> i will start firefox
[23:25] <n-iCe> chrome with the tabs
[23:25] <n-iCe> is using almost 2GB
[23:25] <n-iCe> Dammit
[23:25] <pod_> lol
[23:25] <n-iCe> never checked that before
[23:25] <n-iCe> haha
[23:26] <pod_>  7055 gl        20   0 1419636 432676  91316 S  73.2  5.4   0:37.37 firefox
[23:26] <pod_>  7134 gl        20   0<PHONE_NUMBER>52  56784 R  57.2  3.0   0:15.14 plugin-con+
[23:26] <pod_> load up firefox, go to cnn, click on a link
[23:26] <pod_> and now my computer feels like a turd
[23:26] <n-iCe> weird
[23:27] <pod_> firefox taking 73% cpu, plugin-container taking 57%
[23:27] <pod_> and slow as molasses
[23:27] <pod_> so dumb
[23:27] <n-iCe> well, download lubuntu
[23:27] <pod_> anyways... i haven't used firefox in ages, but mint came with firefox
[23:27] <pod_> so i was using it for a bit until i got my bearings
[23:28] <pod_> my linux install-fu is a bit rusty
[23:28] <pod_> but if i install lubuntu over what my current system
[23:28] <n-iCe> would be great
[23:28] <pod_> it won't delete what i've got im my /home/gl diretory right?
[23:28] <pod_> gl is my initals
[23:29] <pod_> *initials
[23:29] <n-iCe> Well youc an chose not to do it
[23:29] <n-iCe> if you installed in a different partition
[23:29] <n-iCe> if now, will be deleted
[23:29] <n-iCe> not*
[23:29] <pod_> ugh no i didn't
[23:29] <n-iCe> use the live cd, create a partition
[23:29] <n-iCe> and move all there
[23:29] <pod_> i can do that
[23:29] <n-iCe> if you don't have a usb or a external hard disk
[23:30] <pod_> i have 2 1TB drives
[23:30] <n-iCe> then don't see the problem :p
[23:30] <pod_> i only installed the linux on the 512gb SSD
[23:30] <pod_> i wanted my two regular HDDs to just be like extra disks
[23:32] <pod_> lxde doesn't have transparency in windows.. iirc
[23:33] <pod_> that was the fanciest feature i kinda liked
[23:34] <n-iCe> lxde is really basic
[23:34] <n-iCe> that's why is so fast
[23:34] <n-iCe> try ubuntu mate instead
[23:34] <n-iCe> or xubuntu if you want fancy stuff
[23:34] <pod_> i like basic
[23:35] <pod_> i have an '82 rabbit i restored, but put a turbo-diesel engine in it
[23:35] <pod_> still basic. love it
[23:37] <pod_> lubuntu has a newer kernel than mint?
[23:40] <n-iCe> I don't use mint
[23:40] <n-iCe> 4.4.0-22 is what lubuntu use
[23:40] <n-iCe> Mint should use the same, since it is Ubuntu based.
[23:44] <pod_> System:    Host: gl Kernel: 3.19.0-32-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
[23:44] <pod_> ??
[23:44] <pod_> thats what inxi -S gives me
[23:45] <n-iCe> uname -r
[23:46] <pod_> i tried that
[23:46] <pod_> also. gives me the same 3.19
[23:46] <n-iCe> that's old
[23:46] <pod_> thats nuts
[23:47] <pod_> why would the newest version of mint, which is supposedly super popular use such an old kernel?
[23:47] <pod_> ughhh
[23:47] <n-iCe> do, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:47] <n-iCe> :)
[23:47] <pod_> oh yeah, i could do that...
[23:48] <pod_> i didn't even think of that
[23:48] <pod_> i jsut figured, the spankin newest version of mint which i downloaded 2 days ago should have a newer kernel than that
[23:50] <pod_> bbiaf... lubuntu downloading slow


[20:13] <balloons> everyone excited for tomorrow?
[20:53] <ahoneybun> ubucon is on thur or fri?
[21:28] <Garheade> ahoneybun_: Thursday | http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/3208-ubucon-at-fossetcon/
[22:26] <tedg> Is there anyone at the hotel tonight?
[22:26] <tedg> (besides me) ;-)


[09:22] <stgraber> highvoltage: any progress on the ltsp-live rewrite? I guess that for alpha-2 I'll have to release note it as not working again.
[12:28] <highvoltage> stgraber: indeed
[13:26] <highvoltage> stgraber: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/20110705/ should be good for testing?
[13:26] <stgraber> nope
[13:26] <stgraber> 05.1 is building now
[13:26] <highvoltage> ok thanks
[13:26] <stgraber> sabayon was hard depending on gdm so we were shipping both lightdm and gdm
[13:27] <stgraber> I dropped the dependency and re-uploaded sabayon
[13:27] <stgraber> there was also a minor fix to do to edubuntu-live
[13:27] <highvoltage> hmm, I wonder if nanny's login blocking thingy will work with lightdm (depends where it happens)
[13:27] <highvoltage> oh cool!
[13:28] <highvoltage> I'm going to make it high priority to test all the tools we ship for alpha3
[13:28] <stgraber> cool. We also really really need a working ltsp-live by alpha3 ;)
[13:28] <highvoltage> yeah that's high priority too
[15:07] <stgraber> highvoltage: isos have been published
[15:07] <stgraber> I already have them synced here and started doing testing on 64bit
[15:15] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok, I'll sync i386 first then
[15:16] <stgraber> 64bit is crewed anyway and we'll rebuild both again (gdm is still on the 64bit build but not on i386)
[15:16] <highvoltage> ok
[15:21] <stgraber> highvoltage: i386 looks good for now.
[15:22] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'll be doing two test installs to check that the fallback session is indeed selected. By the time I'm done I should have a new build of amd64 hopefully without gdm this time.
[15:27] <highvoltage> stgraber: fallback session as in unity 2d?
[15:28] <stgraber> nope, as in gnome fallback session when you choose the gnome 2.0 interface in the installer
[15:28] <highvoltage> what's it called in the installer?
[15:28] <highvoltage> (I haven't seen that yet)
[15:28] <stgraber> good question ;)
[15:29] <highvoltage> "gnome 2.0" would be incorrect of course :)
[15:29]  * stgraber grabs the source
[15:30] <stgraber> "Standard gnome 2.x interface" is the title (fallback session kind of sucked to describe what it was) and text is: " Edubuntu ships with Unity by default for its user interface. If you'd instead prefer to keep an interface similar to that of gnome 2.x you can choose this option. This uses the gnome 3.0 fallback desktop as the default session."
[15:31] <stgraber> if you have anything that describes it better, just update debian/templates in edubuntu-live and run debconf-updatepo :)
[15:31] <highvoltage> hmm, it's very similar to the gnome 2 interface but there are enough differences so that we shoudln't call it that. how about something like "gnome classic interface"? (not what they call it officially upstream, but still...)
[15:31] <highvoltage> k
[15:38] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'm just worried of some user thinking: "Gnome classic interface" == "gnome3"
[15:39] <highvoltage> but it *is* gnome 3
[15:40] <highvoltage> otherwise if we want to be pedantic then the only right thing to call it is "Gnome 3 Fallback Interface"
[15:40] <highvoltage> (which does indeed sound clunky)
[15:41]  * highvoltage 'll think about it a bit over lunch
[15:41] <stgraber> "Kind of gnome 2.x looking interface" ? :)
[15:42] <highvoltage> yeah that describes it well at least.
[15:43] <highvoltage> I don't want to assume that users will know what gnome 2.x looked like either, really. since we often target new users that might not have used gnome before.
[17:25] <highvoltage> stgraber: I'm still on "1168862395  41%  141.56kB/s    3:17:13"
[17:37] <highvoltage> stgraber: what's the DMB contact address?
[17:43] <highvoltage> (got it on the wiki)
[17:43] <doctormo> highvoltage: Do you have a plan for the Oneric wallpaper?
[17:43] <doctormo> Art: http://fav.me/d3l1y70
[17:44] <highvoltage> doctormo: nope
[17:45] <highvoltage> doctormo: nice
[17:45] <highvoltage> doctormo: I haven't even had a chance to blog about that updated wallpaper you sent me (I have way too many blog drafts!)
[17:48] <doctormo> highvoltage: Consider that draft to be a secret until more work has been put into it. And for that I will need a work order from your good self :-D
[17:49] <highvoltage> doctormo: hmm? which draft?
[17:49] <doctormo> The wallpaper?
[17:50] <highvoltage> no the one you sent me was an update to the perspective one and you already said I could blog about it
[17:50] <highvoltage> (perhaps there's a new email *checks*)
[18:06] <stgraber> highvoltage: 20110705.3 is what you want to test
[18:27] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok I'll get it when it's up
[18:40] <stgraber> it's on cdimage
[22:14] <highvoltage> stgraber: http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/05/lenovo-launches-11-6-inch-thinkpad-x121e-for-europe-the-japanes


[00:37] <ehcah> Hello
[06:50] <ev> superm1: ah yeah, good point.
[09:04] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4344 trunk/bin/ubiquity: Fix broken bootloader option due to a bad copy and paste job
[09:12] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4345 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/misc.py):
[09:12] <CIA-28> ubiquity: Do not show 'free space' partitions in the bootloader target
[09:12] <CIA-28> ubiquity: combobox (LP: #615033).
[09:13] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4346 trunk/debian/changelog: Add LP bug reference.
[09:18] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4347 trunk/ubiquity/misc.py: Clarify code path
[09:41] <CIA-28> apt-setup: cjwatson * r189 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge lp:~mvo/apt-setup/extras-ubuntu-repo
[09:43] <ev> I'm on the issue of non-local packages (ubuntu-restricted-addons, langpacks) not getting installed.
[09:43] <CIA-28> apt-setup: cjwatson * r190 ubuntu/ (2 files in 2 dirs): tidy up a bit
[09:49] <CIA-28> apt-setup: cjwatson * r191 ubuntu/debian/po/ (66 files): debconf-updatepo
[09:51] <CIA-28> apt-setup: cjwatson * r192 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1:0.45ubuntu2
[09:58] <ev> cjwatson:  thanks for doing the review on that ^.  I took a brief look on the way in this morning, but the diff was a bit messed
[10:27] <cjwatson> mvo proposed it for merge into the upstream branch rather than the Ubuntu branch, which explains that
[10:28] <ev> ah
[11:38] <ara> ev, morning
[11:38] <ara> ev, do we have a eta for ubiquity 2.3.18 ?
[11:41] <cjwatson> bug auto-closure isn't fixed yet as far as I can see ...
[11:43] <ev> ara: it's blocked on a freeze exception bug
[11:43] <ev> bug 637410
[11:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637410 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "UI free exception request for ubiquity 2.3.18 (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637410
[11:43] <ara> ev, OK, thanks. I will subscribe
[11:44] <ev> any help in getting someone on the release team to look at that and bug 636945 would be much appreciated
[11:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 636945 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Freeze exception for ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu 24 (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636945
[11:44] <ev> though I'll bring it up at the foundations team meeting today
[11:44] <ev> and good morning :)
[11:45] <ara> ev, cool
[11:45] <cjwatson> um
[11:45] <cjwatson> UI freeze breaks just require notification, not an exception
[11:45] <cjwatson> oh, wait, I'm misremembering
[11:46] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserInterfaceFreeze
[11:46] <cjwatson> OK.  I contributed to 2.3.18 though so I really shouldn't approve the exception
[11:46] <ev> yeah, I figured you were abstaining on those grounds
[11:46] <ev> Riddell: do you have any time to look it over?
[11:47] <ev> or ScottK, if you're around
[11:48] <Riddell> ev: what's this?
[11:48] <ev> Riddell: the freeze exception for 637410
[11:48] <ev> (and 636945)
[11:49] <Riddell> what is the change of text on the 'Prepare to install' page?
[11:50] <ev> it's a rewording
[11:50] <ev> as "tick this box" is poor at best
[11:50] <ev> so mpt and I discussed it with legal (to make sure we weren't removing anything important) and he wrote up some new text
[12:12] <cjwatson> superm1: I got it to boot!
[12:13] <cjwatson> superm1: this firmware is definitely out of spec though :)
[12:13] <cjwatson> superm1: I'm still on X51 because I'm scared of changing anything before I understand the current set of bugs; does A02 or whatever have any UEFI-relevant fixes?
[12:15] <Riddell> ev: fine with me, acked
[12:47] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4348 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/timezone_map.py):
[12:47] <CIA-28> ubiquity: Meet the Geonames.org CC license requirements by adding 'Geonames.org'
[12:47] <CIA-28> ubiquity: to the map.
[12:48] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4349 trunk/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py: One more place that needs the cursor set back to an arrow.
[12:52] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4350 trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[12:52] <CIA-28> ubiquity: Install the restricted package independent of the apt-installed
[12:52] <CIA-28> ubiquity: packages, since those are installed with just the live CD's
[12:52] <CIA-28> ubiquity: sources.list (LP: #638073).
[12:59] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4351 trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Disable the wireless plugin for now. It's not ready for release.
[13:20] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4352 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-prepare.py): Make use of the new connectivity check page.
[13:20] <ev> Riddell: awesome, thanks!
[13:27] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4353 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog debian/control):
[13:27] <CIA-28> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: apt-setup
[13:27] <CIA-28> ubiquity: 1:0.45ubuntu2, hw-detect 1.73ubuntu5.
[13:28] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4354 trunk/debian/real-po/ (78 files): debconf-updatepo
[13:44] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4355 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.3.18
[13:44] <ev> \o/
[13:45] <ev> now to grab some lunch, then test the hell out of this thing
[14:58] <superm1> cjwatson, great news :)  I'll query the firmware's changelog and try to contact the sustaining team for the firmware for your question. (follow up over email from what I hear)
[15:01] <cjwatson> superm1: thanks
[15:51] <gustavo__> hi, someone can tell me how to pass a "pressed" file to the ubiquity? On the command line, not by boot parameters
[15:53] <gustavo__> this will help me to test my "pressed" files faster
[15:54] <gustavo__> *quickly
[15:55] <cjwatson> it's spelled "preseed", not "pressed"; that might help your Google searches
[15:55] <cjwatson> you can't pass it on ubiquity's command line, but you can pass it as input to the debconf-set-selections program
[15:58] <gustavo__> cjwatson: thx
[17:35] <ev> http://paste.ubuntu.com/494274/ - seems wrong, given that localechooser hasn't changed since lucid
[17:37] <ev> but that seems to be the only way to go down the path of localechooser/supported-locales being SET
[17:42] <superm1> cjwatson, by chance are these the same root problems that happen on the 6410?  they're a common code base as I understand
[18:12] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r286 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 24
[20:40] <u1106-laptop> when I make an installation with a custom partition table, how do I specify which swap space should be used?


[03:52] <guiverc> lubuntu live; tested for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/1989163 and no issue today?   @Leokolb can you confirm it's still an issue (ie. ensure I'm not off on a tangent & looking for something else; mild headache today so maybe just me)
[03:52] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1989163 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Unable to run screensaver when selected from menu" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[03:53] <guiverc> actually probably certain it's just me; David / kgiii has tagged it on same ISO
[03:54] <guiverc> (just me, as in me misunderstanding issue today; headache distraction maybe3)
[03:55] <kgiii> What'd I do? I only noticed the same two bugs today. The screensaver didn't load and software-properties-qt threw the same error.
[03:55] <kgiii> LOL It's also almost midnight, so I was almost stepping away for the night. But, I have a few minutes. The missus is a patient woman, thankfully.
[03:56] <guiverc> kgiii, you provided the confirmation I just asked for from Leokolb...   Looking for issues on a issue.tracker & didn't re-create that one, but you did... I'm now assuming I didn't test it properly
[03:56] <guiverc> No we'll be right kgiii, sign off... sorry for ping..
[03:56] <kgiii> I can double check that the screensaver didn't load if need be.
[03:56] <kgiii> Give me like two minutes, as I think that's what you're looking to confirm.
[03:57] <guiverc> no need today... you found it, tagged it.. We don't need more, if anyone needs to retest it should be me given your result!
[03:59] <kgiii> Ping any time. I won't hear/notice it, unless I'm at this device and logged in. And, yeah, I can confirm that the screensaver 100% didn't load in today's ISO. There was no .1 release that I may have missed.
[03:59] <kgiii> And, I'm always happy to help - assuming I'm awake. ;-)
[03:59] <guiverc> Thanks kgiii !
[04:00] <kgiii> No problem. I'm going to shuffle off to bed. I just got the Quassel/IRC notification that the day has now changed to Friday so enjoy your weekend!
[04:00] <guiverc> :)  You too  (when you get there..)
[05:36] <guiverc> another box; and I get a crash with xscreensaver just like bug report ^  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/1989163   is it hardware specific?   (I intend to look on other boxes when I can)
[05:36] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1989163 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Unable to run screensaver when selected from menu" [Undecided, Confirmed]
 Will this am and get back (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> another box; and I get a crash with xscreensaver just like bug report ^  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/1989163   is it hardware specific?   (I intend to look on other boxes when I can))
[05:50] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1989163 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Unable to run screensaver when selected from menu" [Undecided, Confirmed]
 Another confirm @guiverc screensaver bug still present latest Kinetic ISO — also think the artwork looks real good !
[10:07] <guiverc> yeah I tested again on the sony.crapbook (post-install) and it occurred again...  no idea why it didn't the first time
[10:08] <guiverc> thanks @Leokolb
[18:20] <arraybolt3> Wrt the LXQt bugs mentioned earlier, we now have a bug report for them. LP: #1992196. I am still working on debugging and hopefully resolving it.
[18:20] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1992196 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Various highly noticable graphical glitches have all started happening in Kinetic at the same time" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1992196
[19:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh. My gosh. I've just spent the last few hours trying to compile Qt and couldn't figure out why it wasn't working right. Turns out I was only building qtbase and not the whole rest of it. 🤦♂
[19:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Though admittedly the bug is probably only in qtbase. But Featherpad absolutely will not launch with LXQt using Qt5.15.6 and me directing just Featherpad to launch using Qt5.15.5.
[19:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm. Realizing the bit about the bug probably being only in qtbase is now making me doubt myself.
[19:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: When I build qtbase 5.15.5, then try to force Featherpad to use it by setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH properly, Featherpad fails with an error about incompatible Qt versions (5.15.5 and 5.15.6). What am I doing wrong here?
[19:16] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't really want to build qtbase, qtcompat, qtcharts, qtlocation, qtsensors, qtspeech, qtwebengine^U, etc.
[19:16] <arraybolt3[m]> (Not actually building qtwebengine but you get my point.
[19:16] <arraybolt3[m]> )
[19:19] <arraybolt3[m]> I've also tried handing sbuild a custom-made tarball of the Qt source so I could try to git bisect that way, and it was a miserable fail.
 Have you tried to change the widget Qt style? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> Wrt the LXQt bugs mentioned earlier, we now have a bug report for them. LP: #1992196. I am still working on debugging and hopefully resolving it.)
[19:54] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1992196 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Various highly noticable graphical glitches have all started happening in Kinetic at the same time" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1992196
[19:58] <arraybolt3[m]> @Leokolb: Just tried it, and... interesting. Setting it to Fusion works.
[20:00] <arraybolt3[m]> There aren't any recent uploads of lxqt-themes, though.
[20:00] <arraybolt3[m]> ...but maybe that's the problem, a Qt incompatibility maybe?
[20:00] <arraybolt3[m]> (If this works I'm going to be a little bit upset.)
[20:01]  * arraybolt3[m] attempts a no-change rebuild of lxqt-themes
[20:03]  * arraybolt3[m] shakes GitHub vigorously, our debian/watch for lxqt-themes is broken due to a recent change they made
[20:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Thankfully, looks like I don't need the watch file at all, a simple sbuild in the directory given by pull-lp-source seems to be working.
[20:24] <arraybolt3[m]> No change rebuild failed to fix the problems.
[20:25] <arraybolt3[m]> How is it possible we've missed this for this long? I can't help but think this must be a new thing.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:26] <tsimonq2> Qt did only land in the last week
[20:26] <tsimonq2> Occam's Razor would suggest Qt broke it
[20:32]  * arraybolt3[m] goes back to trying to compile an older Qt with sbuild via a tarball hack
[20:50] <arraybolt3[m]> This thing is making me lose my mind. Trying to use the 5.15.5 tarball just tells me "Cannot process version from .qmake.conf" "Cannot proceed." I see the part of the configure script that's doing it, but I can't tell it to stop it! AGH!
[20:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh. My gosh. What is wrong with me. It's a hidden file for crying out loud, and I didn't make my tarball repack include any hidden files.
[20:53] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, not any hidden files in the base directory.)
[20:53] <arraybolt3[m]> So now that I've thoroughly humiliated myself yet again, NOW let's see if this builds.
 As far as I can see "File is still there just in white color ..and barely visible unless as mentioned the widget style is changed
[21:09] <arraybolt3> @Leokolb: You're able to see it at all? Maybe I just didn't look hard enough. It appears to just vanish outright for me.
[21:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, I officially give up on getting the packaging to work. I'm going to just hack the config options from the packaging and build manually. I probably won't get this done today, but I sure have learned a lot of what I'm doing!
[22:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright! Finally got Qt to build and be installed system-wide! Now no Qt apps will open. 🥴
[22:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Because I failed to install the build dependencies before compiling and installing. Sigh.
 Tried 2 different machines/and displays - yes I can see faint white letters after selecting i.e. File or edit etc ..I would not consider this a bug but poor match of coloring etc (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> @Leokolb: You're able to see it at all? Maybe I just didn't look hard enough. It appears to just vanish outright for me.)
[22:16] <arraybolt3[m]> @Leokolb: Well it didn't used to happen, and there haven't been any recent changes to lxqt-themes, so it shouldn't have happened. Something changed so that the once-correct colors are now no longer being displayed right. I guess it's not a bug in the technical sense, but in my opinion, it messes with the user interface in a highly unpleasant way.
[22:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey wait a minute. The Breeze theme isn't part of lxqt-themes. So... what is it a part of?
 And it is only in Breeze that this occurs.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> Hey wait a minute. The Breeze theme isn't part of lxqt-themes. So... what is it a part of?)
[22:19] <arraybolt3[m]> I see what's happening - it's just that the blue highlighting no longer works. KDE uses the Breeze theme, and when you click on a menu item in Kate, the text turns white, but the blue highlight makes it visible. Maybe rather than trying to revert something in Qt's code, it would be better to chase down what is not incompatible in Breeze and fix it.
[22:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also the Breeze theme seems to be it's own thing.)
 Nice -good work- at least we now have some answers .thanks (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> (Also the Breeze theme seems to be it's own thing.))
[22:20] <arraybolt3> Man, if it turns out to be this easy to fix, I'm going to be quite thankful. Qt has given me a fight like no other package so far.
[22:22] <arraybolt3> Doing a no-change rebuild of Breeze...
 Just noticed that the box in numer 2 under Qt palette settings is missing - see the difference in Jammy
[22:29]  * LeoK[m] uploaded an image: (83KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/uosuiqMCydTVFXXblgFkufsf/Jammy.png >
[22:31] <arraybolt3> @Leokolb: The GTK themes stuff?
 Yes ..so maybe a bug after all ..compare that image with kinetic (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> @Leokolb: The GTK themes stuff?)
[22:32] <arraybolt3> In Kinetic, it appears to have been moved to a "GTK Style" section - scroll down in the left menu a little bit.
[22:32]  * LeoK[m] uploaded an image: (139KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/wZCuaRQYSJivLHztuuaMIqan/kinetic.png >
[22:34] <arraybolt3> @Leokolb: Notice the scrollbar in the menu on the left. The botton entry that's hiding off the size of the screen has those settings now. (Just confirmed this on a Kinetic VM in front of me.)
[22:34] <arraybolt3> s/size/bottom edge/
[22:34] <LeoK[m]> arraybolt3: Ah...see it now ..getting late here (obviously..)
[22:36] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL you should see me over here. I've lost count of the number of "I did WHAT?" moments I've had today. :P
 Calling it a day..see ya! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> LOL you should see me over here. I've lost count of the number of "I did WHAT?" moments I've had today. :P)
[22:37] <arraybolt3[m]> @Leokolb: 👋 Thanks for your help!
[22:53] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I'm mostly done for today. Depending on the speed of this zsync, I'm going to report back whether or not Kubuntu also suffers from this issue, because if so, it's something that KDE will probably want to look into. I may end up not doing that today though. Hopefully I'll see you guys tomorrow night!
[23:11] <RikMills> arraybolt3[m]: what bug?
[23:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Rik
[23:19] <arraybolt3[m]> RikMills: LP: #1992196
[23:19] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1992196 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Various highly noticable graphical glitches have all started happening in Kinetic at the same time" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1992196
[23:22] <arraybolt3> RikMills: Just updated the bug report, so if you opened it, refresh the page.
[23:43] <RikMills> urgh
[23:51] <RikMills> arraybolt3: in lxqt appearance settings, widget style tab, you change 'selected text' colour to black, does that not fix it?
[23:52] <RikMills> the white menu text, anyway


[11:52] <miculou> hi all, how do you run apps on mir from the CLI?
[11:53] <miculou> on unity8/desktop
[11:55] <anpok> depending on the toolkit you have to set specific flags.. since they might find a DISPLAY env var.. so GDK_BACKEND=mir QT_QPA_PLATFORM=ubuntumirclient SDL_VIDEODRIVER=mir MIR_SOCKET=/run/user/YOU_USER_ID/mir_socket
[11:55] <anpok> unset DISAPLAY..
[11:56] <anpok> then depending on the applictation unsetting  QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME is also necessary
[11:57] <anpok> oh and for unity8 to accept the connection of a starting application it needs to find a desktop file
[11:58] <miculou> anpok: i'm trying to run supertux2 (sdl2 i think)
[11:58] <ogra_> just look up ubuntu-app-launch ;)
[11:58] <anpok> it gets either via ubuntu-app-launch or by looking at the command like parameter
[11:59] <miculou> i tried both ubuntu-app-launch and -- --dektop_file_hint etc
[12:00] <miculou> with ubuntu-app-launch i can see a windows + the loading spinner but then it closes
[12:00] <miculou> and with -- it complains that the args are wrong wich they are
[12:04] <miculou> i'm not even sure if the sdl2 in ubuntu has mir enabled, that's an option on compile.. i think? don't know very noob lol
[12:04] <ogra_> it does
[12:06] <miculou> DL_VIDEODRIVER=mir MIR_SOCKET=/run/mir_socket supertux2
[12:06] <miculou> [FATAL] /build/supertux-7_Bg7b/supertux-0.4.0/src/supertux/main.cpp:444 Unexpected exception: Couldn't set video mode 1280x800: Failed to created a mir surface: Error processing request: An output ID must be specified
[12:06] <miculou> Internal error details: /build/mir-NNwsqv/mir-0.23.2+16.10.20160624/sr
[12:06] <miculou> i don't even know what i'm doing! :))
[12:16] <anpok> you try to connect to a system compositor
[12:16] <anpok> the system compositor only allows full screen clients (aka greeters/session shells)
[12:16] <anpok> so try the mir_socket of the unity8 session instead..
[12:16] <anpok> (/run/mir_socket is opened by unity-system-compositor)
[12:18] <miculou> oh, i see, so this bit MIR_SOCKET=/run/user/YOU_USER_ID/mir_socket
[12:18] <miculou> ?
[12:18] <miculou> let's see
[12:18] <anpok> yes .. should be 1000 in most desktop installations
[12:19] <anpok> and if you launch it from a unity8 terminal .. you would not have to care about that part..
[12:22] <miculou> DL_VIDEODRIVER=mir MIR_SOCKET=/run/user/1000/mir_socket supertux2
[12:22] <miculou> [2016-07-04 15:21:24.099366] <ERROR> MirConnectionAPI: Caught exception at client library boundary (in release): /build/mir-NNwsqv/mir-0.23.2+16.10.20160624/src/client/rpc/stream_socket_transport.cpp(168): Throw in function virtual void mir::client::rpc::StreamSocketTransport::send_message(const std::vector<unsigned char>&, const std::vector<mir::Fd>&)
[12:22] <miculou> Dynamic exception type: boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<mir::socket_disconnected_error> >
[12:22] <miculou> std::exception::what: Failed to send message to server: Broken pipe
[12:23] <miculou> 32, "Broken pipe"
[12:23] <miculou> [FATAL] /build/supertux-7_Bg7b/supertux-0.4.0/src/supertux/main.cpp:444 Unexpected exception: Couldn't initialize SDL: Failed to connect to the Mir Server
[12:24]  * ogra_ assumes the missing S in SDL_VIDEODRIVER is just a copy/paste error ?
[12:24] <miculou> yep
[15:38] <attente> is there a way to change the output scale factor on the mir demo server?
[16:44] <anpok> attente: hm not yet..
[16:46] <anpok> i mean we could add an example server that does that.. or a client that reconfigures the desired content scaling
[16:50] <attente> anpok: how did you test your MirSurfaceOutputEvent patch? did you use a hi-dpi monitor?
[16:53] <anpok> attente: printf... only..
[16:54] <attente> anpok: but is there some way to trigger a MirSurfaceOutputEvent?
[16:59] <anpok> on recent mir servers you should get one after creating the surface
[16:59] <anpok> and then when you move the surface over to a different output
[17:00] <anpok> hmm I am afk for 2.5 hours.. I think I can come up with some test client to play with the scale value


[00:03] <GridCube> daswichtel, sup¿
[00:23] <daswichtel> yeah hi. i have a soundproblem.
[00:23] <daswichtel> ok in short: 14.04, soundout stops working every time when i pause a youtubevid or it ends. any ideas? didnt find a way else then reboot to get it work again. im on a fresh (4days old) install.
[00:25] <daswichtel> for 3 days it worked perfekt. no updates done noe configchanges done. it simply stopped working stable.
[01:07] <daswichtel> in my brain runs "girl of ipanima" the midi version........... anyone alive here?
[01:26] <daswichtel> 33 online / 0 alive for 1h hmmm top supportchannel.... bb
[16:55] <papou84> hi !!
[16:56] <papou84> is there anybody ?
[17:02] <papou84> i'm looking for a page that explain how to configure ubuntustudio on imac 7,1
[17:02] <papou84> is there someone that can help me ?
[17:03] <HarryHaaren> papou84, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Intel_iMac tried this?
[17:08] <papou84> i already try this before but i'm looking for somthing specific because i want to be shure that ubuntustudio is using the entire power of my computer
[17:08] <papou84> thank's for the answer
[17:09] <HarryHaaren> papou84, if it installs and works, then it'll use all the power that's there :)
[17:09] <papou84> ok thank's a lot
[17:11] <papou84> is there a kind of to do list after i installed ubuntustudio to take away every thing that could consume the power in a usless way
[17:11] <papou84> :)
[17:13] <HarryHaaren> papou84, ubuntu generally runs pretty OK without such tuning: if you really want a bare-bones system then say so, but otherwise I'd just use it :)
[17:13] <papou84> fglrx is still maintained on 14.04 ?
[17:15] <papou84> because when i write down this command it gives me fglrxinfo : Le programme « fglrxinfo » peut être trouvé dans les paquets suivants. the program can't be found
[23:37] <eric_> Hello. Can anyone help with getting Creative Sound Blaster Live 5.1 to work on (latest) Ubuntu Studio? Under Volume Control I do get the card recognised (instead of the motherboard one), there is the name of the driver there and I get a valid looking output indication there but nothing is coming through on the headphones. Bios is set to auto for onboad sound and that seems alright. Anyone have suggestions?
[23:53] <eric_> there is just hum in outputs


[19:09] <freakyy> hi all. how do i just install the kde graphical environment (not the bootup screens, other display manager etc. i just wann ahve kde as an addition for selection in the gdm
[19:56] <fossfreedom> freakyy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE


[01:37] <mhb> nixternal: up?
[01:37] <nixternal> ya
[01:37] <mhb> nixternal: have you got some time?
[01:37] <nixternal> sure
[01:38] <mhb> good, I'll PM you
[01:38] <nixternal> roger
[01:59] <Mez> who's roger ?
[02:07] <nixternal> you are roger
[02:07] <nixternal> ;p
[02:07] <nixternal> how goeth the Mez?
[02:08] <nixternal> so...are we working on a KDE 4 port of the pult yet?
[02:16] <mhb> nixternal: hehe, you lazy americans :o)
[02:16] <nixternal> why is that?
[02:16] <nixternal> but yes, we are lazy...that is why we are the "fattest" country in the world
[02:16] <mhb> nixternal: europeans setting accounts for you at two in the morning and you go watch borat :o)
[02:16] <mhb> nixternal: just kidding, enjoy the show
[02:16] <nixternal> hehe
[02:16] <nixternal> I was told it was hillarious, so I need to find out if that is true :)
[02:17] <nixternal> better than working on this c++ homework
[02:17] <mhb> nixternal: right, you can tell us afterwards ... I haven't seen it either
[02:17] <nixternal> gonna make some popcorn...back in a bit..I am sure you will be sleeping, so if I don't see ya, k'nite :)
[03:08] <uga> > real    16m17.393s
[03:08] <uga> > user    43m11.422s
[03:08] <uga> > sys     7m30.788s
[03:09] <uga> nice, real short time to build kde4 from scratch =)
[03:09] <uga> (kdesupport/kdelibs/kdepimlibs/kdebase)
[03:10] <uga> it used to take much more than that for just kdelibs in my previous box...
[04:09] <mhb> ryanakca: poke
[04:09] <ryanakca> pong
[04:09] <mhb> ryanakca: wow, you're here
[04:09] <mhb> ryanakca: no, not that
[04:09] <mhb> :o)
[04:09] <jjesse> still?  i thought you were done w/ that
[04:10] <ryanakca> no, I just have to mail out the logins
[04:10] <mhb> ryanakca: how's your content-writing skills recently?
[04:10] <ryanakca> mhb: umm... depends on the article/text
[04:10] <mhb> ryanakca: I'll explain.
[04:10] <ryanakca> jjesse: I can scan the list and send it to you, and you can help me mail them out if you wish ;) (there's only 40 or so)
[05:17] <mendred> to the kubuntu devel team: you guys rock, 3.5.8 is smooth and fast..and this is on an 5 yr old laptop WITH compiz-fusion running...thanks guys!!!
[05:21] <nixternal> mendred: no, thank you!
[11:28] <mhb> the man who never sleeps is back :o)
[11:35] <mhb> good morning everyone
[11:37] <jpatrick> moin
[11:42] <jpatrick> anything new?
[11:45] <mhb> jpatrick: oh yes, but I am afraid I don't want to go public with it yet
[11:46] <jpatrick> mhb: ah, more funny controversy..
[11:47] <mhb> jpatrick: hehe, nothing really *that* controversial ... I am just doing some updates for the kubuntu.org site, and I want to keep them a secret
[11:48] <jpatrick> I think I have an idea what it is but I'll keep quite
[12:19] <emonkey-p> mhb: Is there any draft we can already translate? Normally we have some hours delay but it would be great if it's possible to do translate before the release of the announcement. (kubuntu-de.org)
[12:21] <mhb> emonkey-p: yeah, that'd be splendid, unfortunately I don't do announcements. nixternal usually does.
[12:23] <emonkey-p> ok... I just thought you're doing right know something like an announcment. We'll see if we can link us into nixternals process. :)
[12:23] <emonkey-p> thx anyway
[12:57] <Pr370r14n0> hi
[12:57] <Hobbsee> hiya
[12:57] <Pr370r14n0> anyone knows a repo with snapshots of kde4?
[12:57] <Pr370r14n0> newer than beta2
[12:58] <Hobbsee> beta 3 is in gutsy
[12:58] <Pr370r14n0> yes
[12:59] <Pr370r14n0> your are right
[12:59] <Pr370r14n0> but im refering to packages of the svn
[12:59] <Pr370r14n0> not releses
[12:59] <Pr370r14n0> sorry
[12:59] <Pr370r14n0> (my english is poor, like you can see) ;)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> okay, then not for kubuntu
[12:59] <Hobbsee> nixternal: was looking into it, but i dont know if he ever did it
[01:03] <Dekans|screen> beta 3 in gutsy ?
[01:03] <emonkey-p> it looks like, but there is no announcement and I think not all required packages are in already
[01:03] <emonkey-p> but there are some 3.94 packages
[01:04] <Dekans|screen> \o/
[01:04] <Dekans|screen> coming soon
[01:04] <emonkey-p> I think so yes
[01:05] <Hobbsee> yes, there are in
[01:05] <Hobbsee> and due to a lovely launchpad bug, they never hit gutsy-changes ML
[01:06] <Hobbsee> all the required packages should be in, if i got them all
[01:06] <Dekans|screen> GG
[01:06] <Hobbsee> ?
[01:06] <Dekans|screen> it's good
[01:07] <Dekans|screen> i reinstall nvidia driver and i try it :p
[01:11] <emonkey-p> Hobbsee: I don't see the kde4base 3.94 for x86
[01:12] <Dekans|screen> i see 3.93 but i'm on french repos
[01:14] <emonkey-p> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kde4base/
[01:14] <emonkey-p> here you see some 3.94 packages
[01:15] <Hobbsee> emonkey-p: i doubt they've built yet.
[01:31] <Dekans|screen> since gutsy upgrade i have no disk manager utility
[01:31] <Dekans|screen> and some others modules of kcontrol
[01:42] <Hobbsee> do you have python2.5-dev installed?
[01:44] <Dekans|screen> no
[01:44] <Dekans|screen> heu
[02:03] <Hobbsee> marseillai: no desktop file for kwrite.
[02:04] <marseillai> Hobbsee: is it a bug or a feature ?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> the fact that it doesnt have a desktop file is a feature, the fact that katapult needs desktop files for programs to come up in it at all is a bug.
[02:05] <marseillai> Hobbsee: why do we want kwrite to not havec .desktop  file
[02:06] <Hobbsee> marseillai: so that we dont have 10+ text editors listed in the menu.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> marseillai: and because we use kate
[02:06] <marseillai> oki
[02:06] <marseillai> that's a good reason
[02:07] <marseillai> Hobbsee: may be we should not install kwrite by default?
[02:07] <marseillai> and add a .desktop to kwrite ?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> marseillai: hm.  some people like kwrite.
[02:10] <marseillai> Hobbsee: i like it but i like to have a .desktop to my apps so if i like it and want to use it i can install it
[02:10] <marseillai> i can understand we don't want to have two editor in the menu but why install two of them and hide one ?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> most are focussing on kde3 for the release.
[02:24] <Jucato> I'm guessing there won't be a meeting before the release right?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> probably not, no :(
[02:24] <Hobbsee> last week was effectively wasted, and i'm not sure why
[02:24] <Jucato> it's ok. I've been scattered myself
[02:24] <Jucato> join the club :)
[02:24] <Jucato> although I can afford to be disorganized
[02:25] <Jucato> and it seems I can afford to disappear for a few days too :)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it seems that i *have* been disappearing some what, because people keep asking when i'm going to show up on irc again
[02:27] <Hobbsee> buz: telling us wha tthe libsoprano issue is might help
[02:27] <Jucato> yeah, remember the time I got worried when you didn't show up for 24 hours (which you said was 28)? :)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:28] <Jucato> moin jpatrick
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hiya jpatrick
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Jucato: about?
[02:29] <Jucato> life :)
[02:29] <jpatrick> moin Jucato
[02:29] <jpatrick> hey Hobbsee
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ah, yes.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Jucato: 42.
[02:30] <jpatrick> lol
[02:30] <Jucato> ah yes :)
[02:30] <Jucato> hahah
[02:31] <buz> trying to install kde4base-dev yields
[02:31] <buz> Seek (typical)
[02:31] <buz>  10.6 W
[02:31] <buz>    Read/Write (typical)
[02:31] <buz>  9.5 W
[02:31] <buz>    Idle (typical)
[02:31] <buz>  8.2 W
[02:31] <buz>    Standby (typical)
[02:31] <buz>  0.7/1.2 W
[02:31] <buz>    Sleep (typical)
[02:31] <buz>  0.7/1.2 W
[02:31] <buz> ooops
[02:31] <buz> wrong buffer
[02:31] <buz> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:31] <buz>   libsoprano4: Conflicts: libsoprano3 but 0.9.0~snapshot~2007-07-09-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[02:32] <buz> that's on gutsy ;)
[02:32] <jpatrick> I installed libsoprano fine yesterday :>
[02:32] <buz> i can install libsoprano4 just fine on its own
[02:33] <buz> something about the dependencies of kde4base-dev is wrong
[02:33] <Hobbsee> ew, pastebin.
[02:33] <buz> or maybe its recursively
[02:34] <buz> full paste http://pastebin.ca/736303
[02:35] <Hobbsee> buz: you need to remove libsoprano3
[02:35] <buz> i have
[02:35] <buz> doesnt help
[02:35] <Hobbsee> why?
[02:36] <buz> well i figured if it conflicts, i may just as well get rid of it
[02:36] <buz> seeing that nothing i have installed seems to depend on it
[02:42] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[02:46] <buz> but didnt help
[02:47] <Hobbsee> why did it not help?
[03:08] <Jucato> skuirrel...
[03:10] <Jucato> tasty menu? domino (style)?
[03:11] <jpatrick> aplg is doing tasty menu
[03:11] <Jucato> ok...
[03:12] <Jucato> hm... semantik? (kdissert's successor)
[03:12] <Jucato> although that's a Qt app technically
[03:13] <jpatrick> which domino (on -look.org) do you want? :)
[03:13] <Jucato> there's only one domino actually
[03:13] <Jucato> the rest are themes
[03:15] <Jucato> anyway, just thinking from the top of my head...
[03:15] <Jucato> and right now, that head isn't reliable
[03:16] <Hobbsee> hiya n8k99
[03:16] <n8k99> oh my!
[03:17] <Jucato> that's Hobbsee's line...
[03:17] <Jucato> formerly..
[03:17] <Jucato> oh wait, that was "oh dear"
[03:17] <Jucato> danke Hobbsee
[03:17] <n8k99> whew! good thing there is Hobbsee!
[03:18] <Jucato> ey kool, Mez is on Planet KDE now too :)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:23] <jpatrick> woah, it's going to be fun trying to get this build system to work
[03:33] <Mez> Jucato, BACK on planet KDE
[03:33] <Jucato> ah ok
[03:33] <Jucato> sorry
[03:45] <buz> Hobbsee: because i still get the same error about libsoprano3 and 4 being in conflict
[03:46] <Hobbsee> are you removing libsoprano3, or trying to add libsoprano4?
[03:47] <buz> trying to install kde4base-dev which depends on one of them
[03:47] <buz> recursively i think
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hm, kde4base depends on libsoprano3
[03:50] <buz> maybe some other kde4 element depends on 4 then
[03:51] <Hobbsee> kdelibs5 does
[03:51] <buz> so that's the issue
[03:51] <Hobbsee> oh, neat.
[03:52] <buz> is that beta3 already, btw? if so, it better be fixed before that is announced ;)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> oh, i know what this will be
[03:54] <Hobbsee> oh, nyah
[03:54] <Hobbsee> how can i list the build deps of a package?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> without downloading it?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> oh, way cool.  i've inadvertantly caused this bug, too.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> buz: what you didnt say was the fact that kde4base was the old version, and not the beta3.
[04:26] <gnomefreak> latest updates for 3.5.8 wants to remove kde4base and such
[04:27] <buz> i must have missed that
[04:27] <buz> but i did upgrade several times
[04:27] <buz> i mean package lists
[04:27] <buz> so i'm using whatever is on the server, reall
[04:27] <buz> y
[04:27] <Hobbsee> buz: yeah, and it hasnt all built yet
[04:27] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: does it now?  why?
[04:28] <gnomefreak> no im guessing update for kdelibs5
[04:28] <buz> yeah it's probably that
[04:28] <gnomefreak> apt-get is just removing them
[04:28] <Hobbsee> wish i'd noticed that *before* looking further into it.
[04:28] <buz> kde 3.5.8 itself did not seem to care about kde4 one bit
[04:28] <gnomefreak> libportaudio0 libsoprano4  these are not kde so im not positive im guessing its kdelibs5
[04:28] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: do you have a useful pastebin, or do you expect me to be psychic?
[04:28] <gnomefreak> lol i can give you what it tells me
[04:29] <buz> it just so happens that kde4 beta 3 parts hit the repos at the same time
[04:29] <gnomefreak> oh good time to fail you sob
[04:29] <gnomefreak> brb
[04:30] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/218710
[04:30] <gnomefreak> once i run it i can attempt to install them and let you know
[04:31] <Hobbsee> buz: than kde 3.5.8?  they didnt.
[04:31] <buz> well it depends how often you upgrade ;)
[04:33] <gnomefreak> i think i found it
[04:33] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ah yeah.  that'll sort itself out.  same problem as above, pretyt much
[04:33] <gnomefreak> kde4base Replaces: kdelibs5 (<< 3.93.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1), kde4base-dev (<< 3.91.0-0ubuntu2)
[04:33] <gnomefreak> assuming that is it
[04:34] <Hobbsee> no, that's not the problem
[04:34] <Hobbsee> it's that they depend on libsoprano3, which doesnt exist anymore.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> well, it does, but it's conflicted and replaced by ls4
[04:34] <gnomefreak> so libsoprano3 is the reason?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:34] <Hobbsee> and the packages havent built yet to update that
[04:34] <gnomefreak> ah i thought they were E17 packages
[04:35] <Hobbsee> libsoprano?  nah
[04:37] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: for you questions above about showing build-deps without downloading doesnt apt have a --show flag or the like
[04:38] <Hobbsee> grep-dctrl does it, i found.
[04:38] <Hobbsee> it probably does too, actually
[04:39] <gnomefreak> ty will install dctrl-tools when updates are done to play with it
[05:34] <ryanakca> mhb: ping
[05:39] <mluser-home> Why does kde show up as 3.5.8 when it has not been released yet?
[05:40] <gnomefreak> mluser-home: you are using the PPA repo
[05:40] <gnomefreak> 3.5.8 was released or will be in a week or so no?
[05:40] <mluser-home> Yes.. it will be released soon, but my kde is already showing up as 3.5.8
[05:40] <mluser-home> Not that I mind.. just curious :)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: will be released on monday
[05:40] <gnomefreak> mluser-home: only if using the ppa
[05:40] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ty
[05:40] <Hobbsee> mluser-home: because of when our freeze is.
[05:41] <mluser-home> Ahhhh, ok.. makes sense
[05:41] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's in gutsy archive now, not just ppa
[05:41] <gnomefreak> it is?
[05:41] <gnomefreak> well damn
[05:41] <mluser-home> A sneaky way of getting around the freeze?
[05:41] <gnomefreak> brb takes ppa lines out
[05:41] <mluser-home> lol
[05:42] <gnomefreak> that would explain the masive updates the last 2 days
[05:42] <gnomefreak> never even looked at version
[06:17] <nixternal> Hobbsee: is Riddell gone for the weekend or something? We need to get kubuntu-docs uploaded before it is to late, otherwise we won't have translations
[06:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: likely.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> hasnt it b een uploaded?
[06:17] <nixternal> not -5
[06:18] <Hobbsee> why is changes broke?
[06:18] <nixternal> according to LP, 7.10-4 is the latest in the repos
[06:18] <nixternal> I have no idea, I just heard it was
[06:19] <Hobbsee> oh, you read -motu
[06:19] <nixternal> oh
[06:19] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:19] <Hobbsee> no really!
[06:19] <nixternal> how did you break it?
[06:19] <Hobbsee> i hit "accept"
[06:19] <nixternal> heh
[06:19] <Hobbsee> the UI from launchpad for accepting packages doesnt seem to generate mail, as we discovered last night, after i'd done ~20 packages.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> it's all working now
[06:20] <nixternal> groovy
[06:20] <Hobbsee> just means that i cant accept things :P
[06:22] <ryanakca> hehe ;)
[06:27] <ryanakca> nixternal: umm... do we still need the breezy documentation?
[06:27] <ryanakca> (adding MP3 support, etc for breezy)
[06:31] <nixternal> ryanakca: no
[06:31] <ryanakca> nixternal: ok
[06:33] <uga> uhm... I wonder if translations could be handled by google for those untranslated docs. They'd be broken docs for sure, but at least half readable
[06:34] <uga> with a note on top: warning: this text was autotranslated by ...
[06:34] <Hobbsee> nixternal: if you point me at a tarball really quickly, i can just upload it
[06:34] <Hobbsee> or otherwise email me
[06:36] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp
[06:36] <Hobbsee> is it sane?
[06:38] <nixternal> yes
[06:39] <Hobbsee> good
[06:39] <uga> nixternal: man, is that guy in the pic, you? because I know somebody that looks 99% like him
[06:39] <uga> shame I don't have a picture around to show =)
[06:41] <nixternal> nope, that is to skinny to be me :)
[06:43] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: if you're still there, do you know if we kept the amarok-install-mp3-support-script in 7.04 and 7.10?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> we did, and the amarok guys even fixed it so it doesnt freeze
[06:43] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: cool, thanks
[06:47] <uga> nixternal: hehe
[06:51] <jjesse> uga: i've met nixternal and that is way to skinny to be him :0
[06:51] <nixternal> ass
[06:51] <nixternal> :p
[06:52] <Hobbsee> oh, come on...
[06:52] <Hobbsee> this thing is *stilL* going
[06:52] <nixternal> what is that?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> the docs
[06:52] <nixternal> if you are building the docs package, go take a break, it has a thousand translation files to work through
[06:52] <nixternal> hehe
[06:52] <nixternal> it takes anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes on average
[06:52] <Hobbsee> nah, i'm just trying to upload the damned thing.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> it'd build faster than it'd upload, probably
[06:53] <nixternal> oh...ya the tarball is a biggen
[06:53] <nixternal> you should have seen edgy docs build w/o 1 dep...hours it took
[06:53] <nixternal> it still built correctly, but just took so long
[06:54] <Hobbsee> ew
[06:55] <nixternal> I think with Hardy, I am going to go back to using the "About Kubuntu" page for the firefox homepage though...I don't like the configuration of it, and if it continues having issues with the translations, then I will definitely rip it
[06:56] <Hobbsee> yay!
[06:56] <Hobbsee> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[06:56] <Hobbsee>   kubuntu-docs_7.10-5.dsc: done.
[06:56] <Hobbsee>   kubuntu-docs_7.10-5.tar.gz: done.
[06:56] <Hobbsee>   kubuntu-docs_7.10-5_source.changes: done.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> Successfully uploaded packages.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> Not running dinstall.
[06:57] <nixternal> hehe
[07:03] <nixternal> k'nite
[07:03] <nixternal> thanks to Jucato for that one
[07:14] <mhb> no Riddell today?
[07:15] <mhb> is he on a business trip or something?
[07:15] <Hobbsee> it's a sunday there still
[07:15] <mhb> or just enjoying a weekend without internet?
[07:16] <mhb> Hobbsee: right, here too, but it's unusal for him not to be online the whole weekend, so I had to ask
[07:16] <Hobbsee> true
[07:18] <uga> mhb: [19:18]  [Whois]  Riddell has been idle for 1 hour, 26 minutes, and 58 seconds.
[07:18] <uga> just one hour
[07:18] <uga> he's alive somewhere
[07:27] <mhb> ryanakca: poke, just got home
[07:28] <ryanakca> mhb: pong
[07:28] <mhb> ryanakca: FAQ, nicey
[07:28] <mhb> thanks
[07:28] <ryanakca> not done yet
[07:29] <ryanakca> oh yeah, the question was how to get the FAQ in the menu bar to point to my page... but I figured it out after browsing the admin pannel for a while
[07:29] <mhb> ryanakca: great :o)
[07:29] <mhb> ryanakca: if you don't know anything else, just ask, I am quite familiar with drupals
[07:38] <ryanakca> mhb: feel like looking at the faq page and helping me figure out why it only takes the first 6 anchors?
[07:39] <mhb> ryanakca: frankly, when it comes to "feeling like", I still feel kind of disappointed (and insulted) because of not being given a visa ...
[07:40] <mhb> ryanakca: but yes, I'd be happy to help you
[07:41] <ryanakca> a visa to where?
[07:42] <mhb> ryanakca: oh, you don't know? I thought I have complained more than enough here :o)
[07:42] <mhb> ryanakca: http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/english/enjoy-the-uds-without-me/
[07:44] <mhb> ryanakca: FAQ fixed, you had the first  and then , which was incorrect
[07:46] <ryanakca> ah, thanks
[07:54] <mhb> ryanakca: no, thank you
[07:55] <mhb> nixternal: any chance you will patch those CSS soon-ish? :o)
[07:55] <mhb> nixternal: I am sorry to be such a bossy tyrant
[07:57] <mhb> ryanakca: I would patch it myself, if I had them :o)
[07:57] <ryanakca> had what, the CSS files?
[07:57] <mhb> ryanakca: the patches for the CSS files
[08:05] <ryanakca> ah
[08:21] <ryanakca> mhb: whoah! I changed the Documentation menu link from node/1 to node/documentation, and I got something that looks like the download page... any idea why? http://mhb.ath.cx/kubuntu/site/node/documentation
[08:26] <mhb> ryanakca: you should change that from "node/1" to "documentation"
[08:26] <ryanakca> ah
[08:26] <mhb> node/documentation is not correct
[08:30] <ryanakca> mhb: and, was there an FAQ entry in the side bar, or did I inadvertedly create it?
[08:34] <mhb> ryanakca: who knows ... content/menu finalization needs to be done with jr
[08:34] <mhb> ryanakca: don't worry about it
[08:34] <ryanakca> ok
[08:52] <ryanakca> mhb: is the @ supposed to make jr's email unspammable?
[08:53] <mhb> ryanakca: I don't know, is that used on the official page?
[08:53] <ryanakca> dunno, I was just looking at http://mhb.ath.cx/kubuntu/site/shop
[08:54] <mhb> grrrr
[08:57] <ryanakca> o mhb
[08:57] <ryanakca> s/[] o/\/go
[09:20] <gnomefreak> kdepimlibs5 is broken
[09:20] <gnomefreak> or not :(
[09:20] <gnomefreak> rrors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdepimlibs-data_3.94.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[09:21] <gnomefreak> but sudo apt-get -f install fixed it
[09:21] <gnomefreak> how does it fix an overwrite issue
[09:21] <gnomefreak> oh well later guys
[09:35] <_StefanS_> evening
[09:36] <mhb> hi _StefanS_
[09:55] <_StefanS_> mhb: I got a wierd error on the RC cd ... "Screen is not DRI capable.." turns out that kdm_greet
[09:57] <mhb> _StefanS_: eh?
[09:57] <_StefanS_> mhb: ah sorry it was for Riddell :D
[09:57] <_StefanS_> and i forgot a word
[09:57] <_StefanS_> "crashes"..
[09:57] <_StefanS_> I must be tired.. (again)
[10:00] <mhb> _StefanS_: tell me about it
[10:00] <_StefanS_> :)
[10:10] <jjesse> back
[10:26] <ryanakca> does kopete not start for anybody else?
[11:02] <jjesse> slow day today?
[11:30] <jjesse> msut be as i think i'm the only one here :)
[11:32] <mhb> yeah
[11:32] <mhb> and it's sunday
[11:33] <jjesse> just a cold and rainy sunday here watching football
[11:42] <claydoh> Im here but I don't do any devel  stuff, so i don't truly count :)
[11:52] <nosrednaekim> yeah! youtube working in konqueror! thanks everyone!
[11:52] <claydoh> really?? sweet
[11:53] <claydoh> sisnce d3lphin, I haven't used komq much the past few weeks
[11:55] <uga> konqui has always worked with youtube here
[11:55] <Riddell> it's always worked for me
[11:56] <buz> in feisty it reliably eat up all cpu for me
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> I mean... its automatic :)
[11:57] <uga> buz: that's nspluginviewer
[11:57] <uga> it'll keep doing so
[11:57] <buz> yeah i know
[11:57] <buz> actually it doesnt
[11:57] <uga> buz: I keep killing it now and then
[11:58] <buz> well it keeps *crashing* now and then ;)
[11:58] <uga> =)
[11:58] <buz> but so far it very rarely started eating up all cpu on gutsy
[11:58] <buz> cant say i got gnash to work, though
[11:58] <buz> if i could use youtube et al in gnash, i'd kick flash far away
[12:01] <mhb> evening Riddell
[12:15] <mhb> did I say something bad?
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> yeah... the "r" word
[12:16] <mhb> is it *that* bad? I always thought of it as an honorary title, like "your magnificence"
[12:17] <nosrednaekim> I have a machine gun and I Riddelled you.... does that sound honorary?
[12:20] <mhb> :o)
[12:21] <nosrednaekim> lol


[00:26] <stgraber> ogra: italc 1.0.6 released with the fixes for almost all of the reported bugs, I have an updated package ready for testing here : http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/italc/
[00:27] <stgraber> ogra: I plan to have the final one ready for upload on Tuesday afternoon/evening
[00:36] <mejymejy> i am trying a gutsy install on an amd64 with an nvidia fx 5200 and getting a freeze up after initial bootup... i think it is the vcard
[00:36] <mejymejy> ive seen some posts that describe similar problems
[00:37] <mejymejy> ive tried multiple boot options
[00:37] <mejymejy> nothing seems to be working
[06:10] <achandrashekar> hello. I need some assistance with how to configure two ltsp servers using ldap as the primary authentication method installed on one of the two servers.
[06:11] <achandrashekar> Is there a clear how to to accomplish this as I suspect I will have over 50 clients.
[06:12] <kgoetz> no, not really. there is a guide on setting up ldap on the ubuntu wiki
[06:13] <achandrashekar> i see. I need a methodology to support over 60 users. I have been searching now for over a day and a half for sites. Is the methodology the best way to go about supporting that many clients besides pumping a huge amount of ram in just one box.
[06:15] <kgoetz> setting up ldap is a bit of a chore if your not used to it, otherwise the idea seems sane enough
[06:17] <achandrashekar> i see. I got the basic jist that the second server should authenticate its passwords with the first server (likely using the ldap client). However, Im not exactly sure if all I need is just the ltsp server installed. Im only guessing that the client once booting up decides which server to connect to. The architecture is a bit confusing to me.
[06:18] <kgoetz> i'm at work, so i'm not sure i have time to sit down and talk you through it :(
[06:20] <achandrashekar> no problem. I will wait and see and see what someone comes up with.
[06:51] <johnny> hi, i see something that should perhaps be mentioned in the edubuntu docs
[06:51] <johnny> in the section where it talks about syncronizing desktop files
[06:51] <johnny> Replication of desktop profiles
[06:52] <johnny> maybe it should mention that they can also be served over http and ldap
[06:52] <johnny> so it doesn't have to be maintained across all
[10:42] <JonathanFerguson> Does anyone currently 'ere know how to setup Quagga?
[14:11] <pvh_sa|wrk> hi there... i'm trying to set up ltsp with an ubuntu server and a FreeBSD dhcp server
[14:12] <pvh_sa|wrk> i manage to get the client to download pxeboot.0 and boot up, but it doesn't mount the root filesystem... in fact, it doesn't talk to the ubuntu server at all, even though i have option root-path set in the DHCP to point it at the ubuntu server
[14:13] <pvh_sa|wrk> any hints?? i think i'm not setting enough or not setting the right stuff in dhcp config
[14:17] <pvh_sa|wrk> ah! got it working with next-server!
[16:10] <stgraber> ogra: ping
[16:50] <RoboCop> when will the next version of *buntu going to release ?
[17:25] <laga> ogra: ping
[17:25] <laga> ogra_cmpc: ping
[17:25]  * laga wonders where ogra has gone
[19:05] <pem725> how do I update different images such as amd64 and i386 on my edubuntu 7.10 install?  When I issue ltsp-update-images, I only get amd64 rebuilt
[19:46] <suprememind> hello
[19:46] <suprememind> i have a problem with thin clients
[19:46] <suprememind> somebody can help me pls?
[19:47] <suprememind> there's somebody alive?
[19:47] <laga> ask a question and somebody might have an answer
[19:48] <suprememind> ok, sometimes thin clients closes session unexpectedly
[19:50] <suprememind> and sometimes mouse doesn't work, then i reboot and works ok again
[19:52] <suprememind> hmm?
[19:53] <suprememind> ?
[19:54] <suprememind> ok, i assume nobody can help me with a possible solution
[19:54] <suprememind> thanks anyway
[19:54] <suprememind> hola?
[19:54] <suprememind> la la la
[19:57] <alumno10> help
[19:58] <suprememind> mmm
[20:09] <alumno10> hi
[20:09] <alumno10> sometimes session closes unexpectedly in thin clients
[20:10] <alumno10> does somebody know why? i read logs but it doesn't help much :/.
[20:10] <laga> alumno10: yes, we saw it. please be patient
[20:10] <alumno10> ok
[20:14] <alumno10> laga, are you a bot?
[20:15] <laga> no
[20:15] <laga> are you?
[20:20] <alumno10> yes
[20:20] <alumno10> actually no
[20:21] <alumno10> but, do you had experienced some problem like mine (ocassionaly session closing in thin clients)
[20:22] <laga> no, i don't use edubuntu
[20:23] <alumno10> and you are in edubuntu channel because..
[20:23] <laga> because i can!
[20:24] <alumno10> mmm i though u can help me
[20:24] <alumno10> *could
[20:27] <laga> someone in here probably can, but it's not me and not everyone is here right now
[20:32] <alumno10> mmm
[20:47] <TelnetManta> man this chan has really gone down hill.
[21:02] <johnny> how so?
[22:03] <johnny> ogra are you about?
[22:03] <johnny> i wanted to let you know the status of sabayon with gnome 2.21
[22:04] <johnny> it will NOT work
[22:04] <johnny> gnome-settings-daemon doesn't work inside an xnest atm
[22:04] <johnny> even as of 2.21.91
[22:04] <johnny> unless there's something else that needs t be bumped..
[22:05] <johnny> it seems to fail on the keyboard stuff
[23:04] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: ping
[23:05] <ogra_cmpc> stgraber, hey
[23:06] <ogra_cmpc> i didnt get hold of \sh yet, sorry
[23:06] <johnny> ogra i said some things about sabayon previously
[23:06] <johnny> did you see that?
[23:06] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: not needed
[23:06] <johnny>  atm it seems like it will only work on Xephyr
[23:06] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: we found the bug during the weekend + tons of other (basically all the bugs opened on SF.net are now closed)
[23:07] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: I also have updated some UI patches and included the LTSP scripts, package is now building for feisty,gutsy,hardy on amd64 and i386
[23:08] <ogra_cmpc> johnny, surely on my other machine :) i wasnt near my regular desktop today
[23:08] <johnny> ?
[23:08] <johnny> oh
[23:08] <johnny> yeah
[23:09] <johnny> i was hoping to do Xephyr after this release, but i don't know if gnome-settings-daemons bugs will be fixed in time
[23:09] <ogra_cmpc> 'do Xephyr' ?
[23:09] <johnny> federico won't have time to hack on sabayon for two weeks
[23:10] <johnny> add Xephyr as an option
[23:10] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: the package should be good as it's, I'll do some more testing tomorrow at school. But last I tried everything was working (demo mode included)
[23:11] <ogra_cmpc> stgraber, cool, i'll upload it tomorrow (sme ltsp stuff to do tonght, i'll do an upload orgy tomorrow then)
[23:19] <ogra_cmpc> johnny, didnt you just say Xephyr is the only thing it runs on ?
[23:19] <ogra_cmpc> so whats required to make it work then ?
[23:20] <ogra_cmpc> (beyond adding a dependency to teh package)
[23:38] <johnny> well, it's possible that the bug could be fixed in gnome-settings-daemon
[23:38] <johnny> but Xephyr opens up a smaller screen and sabayon has no option to set the resolution of the session
[23:39] <ogra_cmpc> i thought Xephyr was supposed to be xnest compatible ...
[23:39] <ogra_cmpc> sabayon worked with that before
[23:40]  * ogra_cmpc doesnt understand how that affects g-s-d
[23:42] <johnny> try to run it
[23:42] <ogra_cmpc> i'm on a classmatepc, far from any hw that could even start sabayon additionally to xchat
[23:42] <ogra_cmpc> :)
[23:45] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, gnome-settings-daemon crashes when loading the a11y keyboard
[23:45] <johnny> but only under xnest
[23:45] <ogra_cmpc> ah
[23:46] <ogra_cmpc> is that filed?
[23:46] <johnny> well i just reproduced it
[23:46] <johnny> on hardy
[23:46] <johnny> as of yesterday
[23:46] <johnny> and i wanted to talk matias
[23:48] <johnny> cuz he mentioned something about it
[23:48] <johnny> as in.. known problem on a bug that already exists
[23:49] <ogra_cmpc> i'll test it tomorrow morning in the office
[23:59] <johnny> if we switched to Xephyr we'd have to request a free break i think