[20:38] <tomreyn> JamesB192: and are you able to configure it now in network-manager or whatever you normally use?
[20:38] <JamesB192> yes, thank you.
[20:39] <qwebirc23508> how can i show pls
[20:39] <blackflow> Budgii: dunno about "registry", but you create a new Database, define where the file for it is (you said USB) and then you add new entries to that database.
[20:39] <tomreyn> JamesB192: now it remains unknown what made it soft blocked in the first place. this can be a keyboard combo (Fn key or similar)
[20:39] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | qwebirc23508
[20:40] <tomreyn> JamesB192: meaning this may happen again after reboot.
[20:40] <Budgii> blackflow, strangely I can't see my USB when I try and create a key file. even though I can se it in file explorere
[20:42] <JamesB192> it might, but I have more of a clue to guide me if/when it happens again.
[20:43] <Rumen> Hello everyone
[20:43] <Rumen> Guys any idea how to fix that?
[20:43] <Rumen> https://pastebin.com/9YJ6r3ee
[20:43] <qwebirc23508> ok i installed pastefinit
[20:43] <qwebirc23508> and now
[20:44] <tomreyn> lspci -nn | grep -i BCM4312 | pastebinit
[20:44] <tomreyn> ^ qwebirc23508
[20:44] <qwebirc23508> yes
[20:45] <RtMF> oh my the venerable 4312...and its step-brother the 4321...or is the 4321 the easy-to-get-working one? I can never remember
[20:46] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: this should return a http address you can then post here
[20:47] <JamesB192> Rumen: not really but my first inclination is to suspect an error in a config file. I really need to stop listening to those.
[20:47] <tomreyn> Rumen: rgrep off /etc/modprobe.d/
[20:48] <Rumen> This happened after installation of Nvidia driver, the card (almost) work
[20:49] <tomreyn> Rumen: i also suspect a misconfiguration, or rather a syntax error in the kernel module blacklist, which is why i suggest you run the above command and show its output
[20:49] <Rumen> tomreyn Here you are   https://pastebin.com/ZdSgCvcB
[20:50] <qwebirc23508> pastebinit
[20:50] <qwebirc23508> no adrres on terminal why?
[20:51] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: does the computer you ran it on have internet access at this time?
[20:52] <tomreyn> Rumen: hmm this loos fine, maybe if we look at the other files, too ...
[20:52] <qwebirc23508> yes
[20:52] <qwebirc23508> its this computer
[20:53] <qwebirc23508> but now i use cable to have intgernet
[20:53] <qwebirc23508> what do i type on terminal to
[20:53] <qwebirc23508> ?
[20:54] <Rumen> tomreyn the driver I installed is nvidia-390 from "Update software" https://ibb.co/dJXv4J
[20:54] <Rumen> tomreyn  which other files?
[20:54] <tomreyn> ramses: for file in /etc/modules /etc/modules-load.d/* /etc/modprobe.d/*; do echo "[FILE: $file]"; cat $file; echo; echo; done | pastebinit
[20:55] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: you run this:  lspci -nn | grep -i BCM4312 | pastebinit
[20:56] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: but maybe pastebinit is not installed on your computer?
[20:56] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: but then you said you installed it, hmm...
[20:56] <qwebirc23508> i did
[20:57] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: you can try this alternatively: lspci -nn | grep -i BCM4312 | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:58] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: wlaos what is the output of : lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version; cat /proc/cmdline
[20:59] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: you can also manually copy and paste the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com and then just put the resulting http address here
[21:00] <qwebirc23508> sorry im lost
[21:00] <qwebirc23508> after install pastebinit what to do and do i do in terminal?
[21:01] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: type this and press enter: echo helloitsme | pastebinit
[21:01] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: does this return a http addres then?
[21:01] <tomreyn> if not, does it return an error message or something else?
[21:05] <qwebirc23508> go it tks
[21:05] <qwebirc23508> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cSHnpqc3yw/
[21:08] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: so, since this example worked, the actual command i asked you to run earlier should also work. here's a simpler variation of this command: lspci -nn | pastebinit
[21:08] <ubuntu__> Hey how can I manually make lvm+encryption preparation for manual installation?
[21:08] <ubuntu__> I don't want to use lvm on a single disk
[21:08] <ubuntu__> I want to use it on both
[21:09] <ubuntu__> I got lvm setup what now ?
[21:09] <qwebirc23508> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c87FVhHgdH/
[21:10] <ubuntu__> Should I put dm-crypt ontop of lvm or below lvm ?
[21:14] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: okay,so the last line of this lists your wireless chipset: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
[21:15] <qwebirc23508> i see
[21:15] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: the "14e4:4315" (and 'rev 01') is important, it should identify your specific hardware and help you identify the correct driver for it.
[21:16] <qwebirc23508> how to do that pls
[21:16] <oerheks> firmware-b43-lpphy-installer sounds plausible
[21:16] <oerheks> !info firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[21:16] <oerheks> oh
[21:16] <qwebirc23508> i wait
[21:17] <wyseguy> tomreyn know much about phpmyadmin?
[21:17] <tomreyn> oerheks: qwebirc23508 is on 16.04, there is firmware-b43-installer there
[21:17] <tomreyn> oerheks: if you can guide there, i can try to help ubuntu__ with encrypting stuff
[21:17] <oerheks> correct, that superseeds the lp-phy version
[21:18] <tomreyn> wyseguy: not as much as #phpmyadmin (if this exists)
[21:18] <wyseguy> mysql does
[21:18] <wyseguy> and php does :)
[21:18] <qwebirc23508> thats the issue i see
[21:19] <qwebirc23508> any way to solv it
[21:19] <oerheks> sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer # and reboot
[21:19] <qwebirc23508> or do i have to uninstall any programs
[21:20] <tomreyn> ubuntu__: so, which layer should be lower, lvm or the disk crypto layer - that's a matter of preference. how many crypto passphrases do you want to enter during boot, and how many distinct crypto cotainers do you need?
[21:20] <ubuntu__> I feel allright with having just one
[21:22] <sweb> what's the problem with my netwrok at dns: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6FpG9mBysx/ ubuntu server 18.04
[21:22] <tomreyn> ubuntu__: okay, then you probably want to have raw storages, a gpt partition table on each, enough partitions on each, then the block crypto layer, then lvm PV on top.
[21:22] <tomreyn> ubuntu__: and maybe raid intere as well if you need it
[21:22] <sweb> dnsmasq enabled also DNSStubListener=no for /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[21:25] <tomreyn> ubuntu__: raid would go between "partitions" and "block crypto layer". that's unless you want to use the full, raw, unpartitioned storages for raid.
[21:26] <tomreyn> ubuntu__: but you'll need to have ESP / biosgrub and /boot partitions outside of the complex layers somewhere.
[21:27] <tomreyn> qwebirc23508: did it work?
[21:30] <qwebirc23508> how can i make do this qwebirc23508: okay,so the last line of this lists your wireless chipset: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
[21:31] <qwebirc23508> and do this qwebirc23508: the "14e4:4315" (and 'rev 01') is important, it should identify your specific hardware and help you identify the correct driver for it.
[21:31] <SimonNL> firmware-b43-installer
[21:32] <SimonNL> was helping a user with it on #linuxmint minutes ago
[21:36] <SPTRAL> Hola
[21:36] <qwebirc37905> im lost agains
[21:36] <qwebirc37905> qwebirc23508: the "14e4:4315" (and 'rev 01') is important, it should identify your specific hardware and help you identify the correct driver for it.
[21:37] <qwebirc37905> what this means
 sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer # and reboot      qwebirc37905 you did not see this message
[21:37] <qwebirc37905> i lost cannection im back
[21:38] <qwebirc37905> ok im going to re-bbot
[21:39] <qwebirc37905> tks will be back
[21:39] <oerheks> :-)
[21:40] <erialdo> hello I killed the process pulseaudio because i thought it was an external program
[21:41] <oerheks> pulseaudio would respawn, so it runs again
[21:41] <erialdo> now I know it isn't because I have no sound in firefox and on chrome only loudspeaker sound no earbuds sound
[21:41] <erialdo> any suggestions how do i fix it
[21:44] <erialdo> ohh and one last thing i deleted sudo rm /usr/bin/pulseaudio
[21:44] <erialdo> stupid me
[21:46] <erialdo> i fixed it by reinstalling pulseaudio
[21:46] <erialdo> thanks anyway
[21:53] <Rumen> tomreyn I didn't understand which file we have to check?
[21:59] <qwebirc1009> im back again
[21:59] <qwebirc1009> wifi still dont work
[22:00] <qwebirc1009> my last NIK <qwebirc37905>
[22:00] <tomreyn> Rumen: anything which starts /etc/mod* basically, including in subdirectories
[22:00] <qwebirc1009> and before was qwebirc23508
[22:01] <tomreyn> qwebirc1009: you can get a better nick by typing /nick betternick
[22:01] <qwebirc1009> nick LFC
[22:02] <tomreyn> \o/
[22:03] <LFC> any ideia why i still dont have wifi wireless
[22:05] <tomreyn> LFC: first of all, you have a rather badly supported piece of hardware unfortunately.
[22:05] <LFC> i see
[22:06] <LFC> so better wait for a new ubuntu update?
[22:06] <tomreyn> LFC: you could buy something newer and faster, and, if well planned, it would be better supported, too.
[22:07] <tomreyn> LFC: no, you'd need to write a letter to broadcom asking them to please start supporting this device properly on linux
[22:07] <LFC> i install ubunbu because it runs ok on this pc and its good for my needs
[22:08] <LFC> i see
[22:08] <LFC> so many issues makes me said how thinks stop working
[22:09] <LFC> tks any way
[22:10] <LFC> got a go for now
[22:10] <LFC> hope to solve this issue
[22:10] <tomreyn> LFC: we can try again another time
[22:10] <tomreyn> but you may be better off getting some other hardware
[22:11] <tomreyn> and maybe spend some time on learning your way aroudn the terminal, too
[22:11] <tomreyn> !terminal
[22:11] <LFC> i use this pc to record radio program ahd it helps
[22:11] <LFC> see you tomorow
[22:11] <LFC> tks
[22:11] <tomreyn> see you
[22:17] <boblamont> How do I safelyt empty the trash as root in Lubuntu? there's no trash can when I use PCManFM as root (and trash:/// doesn't work either)
[22:25] <Rumen> Nvidia graphic drivers - blacklist nouveau  blacklist lbm-nouveau alias nouveau off alias lbm-nouveau off
[22:27] <Rumen> Blacklist frame buffer https://pastebin.com/K505anMK
[22:27] <Rumen> DKMS.conf is empty
[22:30] <Rumen> nvidia-340.conf   blacklist nouveau    blacklist lbm-nouveau alias nouveau off   alias lbm-nouveau off
[22:41] <CarlFK> ubunut minimal? (no desktop) install - some how it's dns stuff is broken.  it has "DNS Servers: <IP_ADDRESS>" but doesn't seem to use it.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cc7rdgpzgy/
[22:50] <neoromantique> Hola, I want to reinstall ubuntu, I have /home on / partition, would deleting everything {except} /home and then installing ubuntu without formatting / work?
[22:51] <gogeta> neoromantique: you can formart /
[22:51] <gogeta> neoromantique: just dont format /home
[22:51] <neoromantique> gogeta: they're same partition
[22:51] <gogeta> neoromantique: then no
[22:52] <neoromantique> Does ubuntu installer force formatting /?
[22:52] <gogeta> neoromantique: you can try not doing it but it probly will just be a bad install
[22:52] <jayjo_> i get the error "Errors were encountered while processing: mysql-common libmysqlclient20:amd64" - I've tried cleaning and updating etc, still no sucess
[22:52] <jayjo_> any ideas what could be causing this?
[22:53] <neoromantique> gogeta: Why would it be bad install?
[22:53] <neoromantique> I will delete all folders in root except for /home
[22:53] <neoromantique> I don't mind some user facing configs being mismatched between installs
[22:54] <gogeta> neoromantique: give it a shot
[22:54] <x764y2> jayjo: try sudo apt -f install and see if it helps
[22:55] <neoromantique> well, here it goes
[22:55] <neoromantique> gogeta: reboot time, I backed up my /home just in case
[22:55] <x764y2> jayjo: can be something related to the dependencies
[22:55] <tomreyn> neoromantique: you can do this, just don't use this partition during the next installation. or move everything around on this partition first so that whats not in /home/ there ends up on / on this partition and then use this partition as /home for the new install
[22:56] <neoromantique> tomreyn: it's the only partition I have on SSD
[22:56] <neoromantique> moving things around would be very slow so I'd prefer to avoid that
[22:56] <tomreyn> neoromantique: how would it be slow on an ssd?
[22:57] <neoromantique> tomreyn: because I backed it up on HDD
[22:57] <tomreyn> okay, i guess i can't follow. good luck ;)
[22:58] <neoromantique> Basically: I have /dev/sda1 that is root(which includes /home); What I want to do is remove everything BUT /home from that partition by basically rm-rf'ing it.
[22:59] <neoromantique> what I expect to happen is I install ubuntu on that partition without formatting it, system will be fresh but /home will be mostly old(or completely untouched if I choose different username)
[22:59] <neoromantique> am I missing something?
[22:59] <tomreyn> i don't think this will work, installing without formatting it.
[22:59] <jayjo_> x764y2: that gave me the same result: Errors were encountered while processing: mysql-common libmysqlclient20:amd64 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[23:00] <neoromantique> tomreyn: Why? Any particular reason why it wouldn't?
[23:00] <x764y2> jayjo_: can you show me the full log in PM?
[23:00] <tomreyn> neoromantique: i just don't think the installer offers reusing an existing file system.
[23:01] <neoromantique> ah, okay
[23:01] <neoromantique> well, let me try it
[23:02] <tomreyn> what i would do is rm -rf everything you no longer need, then unomunt and resize the file system, then fsck it, then resize the partition, then install, mounting this partition as /home
[23:02] <tomreyn> although i'd actually not do this since i like lvm in between
[23:03] <x764y2> jayjo_: did you try to do "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[23:03] <x764y2> ?
[23:03] <tomreyn> + raid + crypto ;)
[23:04] <gogeta> tomreyn: or img /home then restore it
[23:04] <gogeta> tomreyn: your putting in alot of extra steps
[23:05] <tomreyn> sure if you have enough space and storage is fast, that's the easier option.
[23:06] <tomreyn> could also cp -pr /home/* to a new partition / file system
[23:13] <neoromantique> tomreyn: Installer does offer it
[23:13] <neoromantique> tomreyn: too late for your last tip, already in live env
[23:13] <neoromantique> it seems to go smoothly, about to restart into a fresh system
[23:13] <neoromantique> I've changed my username in homefolder so there won't be any conflicts re: that, I'll just manually move the files over on a live system
[23:14] <neoromantique> Much faster to do it within same drive
[23:19] <tomreyn> glad it worked! :)
[23:19] <tomreyn> you may need to chown -R /home/* to new uid/gid
[23:24] <Anthaas> I have a mounted Google drive, and have a KeePassXC file on there for passwords. Whenever I open it in KeePassXC it is readonly all the time?
[23:26] <neoromantique> tomreyn: It did work, and yeah I did chown
[23:27] <neoromantique> Now I'm booted into system with most important configs moved to new dir
[23:32] <oerheks> Anthaas, read only tho who?
[23:38] <tomreyn> Anthaas: can the same user 'touch' a file on the google drive?
[23:39] <tomreyn> the same user who runs keepassxc, that is
[23:41] <Anthaas> oerheks: It's my user account
[23:41] <Anthaas> I am able to touch files
[23:42] <tomreyn> Anthaas: so you can run the very "touch" command against a new file there, right?
[23:43] <Anthaas> Oh wait
[23:43] <Anthaas> Sorry
[23:43] <Anthaas> Uhhh
[23:43] <Anthaas> "operation not supported"
[23:44] <tomreyn> how is it mounted?
[23:45] <Anthaas> fstab
[23:45] <tomreyn> run "mount" and tell us what the options are for this mount
[23:47] <Anthaas> Hmm, trying to find it in there...
[23:47] <Anthaas> My drive is at /run/user/1000/gvfs/google-drive
[23:49] <tomreyn> so it uses gvfs-google, i guess
[23:49] <Anthaas> Ahhh yeah I think so sorry
[23:49] <Anthaas> I just checked what apps have access
[23:49] <Anthaas> Google Drive Fuse Adapter
[23:51] <illuminated> I think my head is going to explode
[23:51] <tomreyn> well, i had assume dyou could just create files there, but apparently you cannot
[23:52] <Anthaas> tomreyn: I am only trying to edit an existing one though?
[23:52] <Anthaas> I just tried opening a weechat.conf I have there and editing it - there was no problem with that.
[23:54] <tomreyn> Anthaas: you were trying to run touch against a new file when it returned "operation not permitted", weren't you? and the keepassxc database was probably never created on the groogle drive?
[23:55] <Anthaas> It wasn't, it was moved there.
[23:56] <tomreyn> Anthaas: okay, so when you ls -l both files, the weechat.conf and the keepassxc DB file, does it look the same for the permissions?
[23:56] <Anthaas> Uhh, they all have stupid names
[23:57] <Anthaas> not, for example, weechat.conf, but 0B5Ap0....etc.
[23:57] <Anthaas> But they all have at least rw
[23:57] <Anthaas> some have l at the start.
[23:57] <tomreyn> l are links
[23:58] <Anthaas> Sure
[23:59] <tomreyn> well, i never worked with gvfs-drive, but i guess it is a problem if the file names change suddently, or are different on the CLI than on some GUI-
[23:59] <Anthaas> I don't understand why this only applies for this kdbx file though?


 (Photo, 1280x640) https://i.imgur.com/crNBUYr.jpg Can anyone help me??
 it's a gnome theme
 @bonacin91 [it's a gnome theme], How to install communitheme on Lubuntu 18.04 LTS ?? Is there any way??
 Right, we don't support that at all.
 Apples and oranges, both are fruits
 I'm new to these.. Anyway to change the UI better??
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 @iamPAIN [I'm new to these.. Anyway to change the UI better??], if you need themes try noobslab.com. most of them works
[18:33] <implite> hello can i get some help to make my wifi work on my dell d620 laptop?
[18:34] <wxl> could you pastebin up `lspci -nnk`?
 and explain what isn't working currently, if you can.  :)
 "not working' is vague :)
[18:35] <implite> i dont see any networks
 ah.  then yes please put into a pastebin the output of the command `lspci -nnk` :)
[18:37] <implite> how do i pastebin?
[18:38] <wxl> !pastebinit
[18:39] <implite> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/66gqrp9RNm/
[18:42] <implite> to make my wifi work in mint linux i needed to use this command sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/broadcom-sta-dkms.conf
[18:43] <implite> but it does not help here i think
[18:43] <implite> No such file or directory
[18:46] <diogenes_> implite, run: sudo rfkill list | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:46] <diogenes_> share the link here
[18:47] <implite> http://termbin.com/p756
[18:48] <diogenes_> now: ls /etc/modprobe.d | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:49] <diogenes_> share
 diogenes
[18:49] <diogenes_> mekschr, what?
[18:50] <implite> http://termbin.com/xr70
 just going to say but this might be helpful?  https://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers
 do you remember my problem ?
[18:51] <diogenes_> implite, ok first follow the link you have been given, if that doesn't work, come back here
[18:51] <diogenes_> mekschr, remind me
 that linux couldn't run 1366x768
[18:52] <diogenes_> mekschr, ok and did you fix it?
 you fixed it for me using xrandr command script at autostart
[18:53] <diogenes_> mekschr, so the issue is solved?
 My GPU has DVI-I port only, so I was using A VGA to VGA cable connected to a converter adapter VGA to DVI-I then to the GPU
[18:54] <diogenes_> and?
 Today I bought a VGA to DVI-A cable then connected it to DVI-I GPU, I don't know the difference between DVI-A and DVI-I but anyways that's not the matter
 now i noticed a huge difference in xorg.log file
 so i want to show you xorg.log using both setups, because somehow, now the monitor runs at 1366x768 without any script
[18:57] <diogenes_> you should care about the log only if something doesn't work
[18:57] <diogenes_> if everything works then all is well
 yes but i want to know what was the source of the problem at first
[18:59] <diogenes_> maybe the port, cable, no clue because the driver seemed to work correctly
 the screen name in display settings now is changed ... at first it was called Default Screen, now it actually detects the name of the monitor and shows Samsung Syncmaster bla bla bla
[19:00] <wxl> probably something about the different cables
 Does that mean that at first, Linux wasn't detecting the monitor wrongly ?
[19:00] <wxl> like there's one more wire on the new noe
[19:00] <wxl> and that was carrying the identifying information
[19:01] <diogenes_> ^^^
[19:01] <wxl> that or it was something getting lost in that VGA to VGA cable which probably didn't include wires that might be appropriate for DVI
 The monitor now runs 1366x768 by default without using xrandr, yesterday with the old setup I couldn't set the resolution to anything higher than 1024x768 except by using diogenes' script
 so seems like the whole problem was hardware-related
[19:04] <diogenes_> mekschr, sometimes hardware have mysterious lock ups and then magically fix themselves
[19:04] <diogenes_> maybe you needed an exorcist :)
 xorg.log at first wasn't showing EDID code, after changing thr cable, now it shows EDID code
[19:05] <diogenes_> the  it's obvious that it's cable
 Anyways, It is now running 1366x768 with 59.8 Hz not 60 Hz, is that normal in linux ?
 After all, I would like to thank you a lot for your efforts to help me, much appreciated <3, now I can enjoy any linux distro
[19:10] <diogenes_> mekschr, cheers!
[19:10] <Nielzie> lubuntu lxqt is a very enjoyable distro. There's no need to enjoy other distros.
 Nielzie I mean at first I couldn't use any Linux Distro because I couldn't set the resolution to 1366x768
[19:12] <wxl> i wouldn't worry abotu the 59.8Hz. it's close enough to be 60. some monitors might be happier with a slight change
 Now the new cable fixed my problem and I can finally enter the world of linux
 and since my pc is very old, i m probably going to use Lubuntu
[19:13] <diogenes_> good choice
[19:14] <implite> wifi working now thanks!
[19:15] <implite> how come that is not added in fresh install?
[19:16] <wxl> implite: proprietary drivers. boo. broadcom sucks.
[19:16] <wxl> @mekschr apparently with long cables, EDID is degraded, so that might be the issue, too.
[19:18] <wxl> it's remotely possible that the additional VGA/VGA cable also somehow resulted in degraded signal
[19:18] <wxl> that's what a quick DuckDuckGo search tells me, at least. i'm not a hardware expert, per se.
 I never thought the problem was because of the cable
 I have been trying to install different distributions thinking it was a linux-related problem
[19:21] <wxl> #1 thing i do in troubleshooting is try to eliminate the possibility of hardware issues
[19:22] <Nielzie> 1366x768 is a resolution normally used on small laptops, right? So why vga cable?
 By the way, I have never used anything except Windows 7 but now I want to migrate to Linux
 Nielzie this is my monitor https://www.samsung.com/africa_en/monitors/led-b1930n/
 wxl I have asked a lot in Reddit and Ubuntuforums and they told me the problem was because my video card is old and unsupported and they all said i had to buy a new gpu
[19:25] <Nielzie> ahh I see..
 Should I install 18.10 or 18.04 ? : D
 it depends :P
 I prefer the LTS of 18.04 because upgrading every 6 months is a pain in the ass
[19:27] <Nielzie> 18.10 works like a charm over here
 I mean what is the difference
[19:31] <wxl> 18.04 is LXDE, 18.10 is LXQt
[19:31] <wxl> we won't be going back to LXDE
[19:31] <Nielzie> Big difference LXDE vs LXQT
[19:31] <wxl> indeed
[19:32] <Nielzie> It's practically a different distro
[19:32] <Nielzie> with same name
[19:33] <Nielzie> I'm pretty happy with the switch to QT
[19:33] <wxl> like LXQt will be well supported into the future...... while LXDE continues to struggle with GTK3 support while GTK4 looms in the near distance
[19:35] <wxl> and GTK LOOOOOVES to break backward compatibility so that's no small issue
[19:35] <Nielzie> LXQT looks nice and is pretty low on resources. Not as low as "old" LXDE, but very reasonable
[19:36] <wxl> this is on the wikipedia page for GTK:
[19:36] <wxl> Hong Jen Yee, developer of LXDE (which of the GTK version will be dropped and all efforts will be focused on the Qt port.[28]), expressed disdain for version 3 of the GTK+ toolkit's radical API changes and increased memory usage, and ported PCMan File Manager (PCManFM) to Qt additionally.
[19:36] <wxl> note *INCREASED MEMORY USAGE*
 My specs are C2D E6550, 2GB RAM and Ati Radeon HD 4650
[19:37] <wxl> so once LXDE manages to catch up with the current release of GTK, they won't be able to compare to LXQt
[19:37] <wxl> also note that Hong Jen Yee (aka PCMan) has entirely stopped working on the GTK version and is entirely within the Qt camp
[19:37] <wxl> if one of the major developers— and one concerned about resource usage— decide to jump ship.. that's pretty darn telling
[19:38] <Nielzie> Both KDE (also QT based) and gnome apps look good on it
[19:40] <Nielzie> 2GB RAM is a little low though.. I have 4GB with 2GB swap partition and that is enough for smooth working.
[19:40] <wxl> i've done an install with 512k. it's possible to run on very little. the biggest problem is that the modern web is extremely resource demanding.
[19:41] <wxl> read: javascript sucks.
[19:41] <Nielzie> First I tried without swap but then sometimes after a few hours of work (especially internet browsing) it hanged
 so are my specs suitable for lubuntu 18.10 ?
[19:42] <wxl> there's really no difference between lxde and lxqt regarding memory
[19:42] <Nielzie> good question
[19:42] <wxl> so yes
[19:42] <wxl> but the more memory the better..... for using the modern web
 i m running mint xfce right now it is running smoothly
[19:43] <wxl> then you'll be fine
[19:43] <wxl> xfce's got a little heavier footprint
[19:43] <Nielzie> exactly. If you have your brwser open all day it could be troubling
 alright, i have to go, see you guys later <3


[01:06] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 413 for the week April 13 - 19, 2015 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue413
[07:41] <MooDoo> wow has it been a week already :s
[21:35] <pleia2> PaulW2U (and everyone else!): stickers! https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/16607453323/
[21:44] <PaulW2U> excellent!
[21:45] <pleia2> can't tell from the photo really, but they're round
[21:47] <PaulW2U> I don't know if you saw my ping in xubuntu-offtopic but the xubuntu stickers arrived last thursday
[21:47] <pleia2> I did :) find a place to stick any yet? ;)
[21:48] <PaulW2U> on my (xubuntu) laptop :)
[22:52] <pleia2> \o/
[23:51] <ahoneybun> pleia2: \o/


[10:52] <lifeless> @schedule
[11:20] <elkbuntu> hi lifeless.
[11:20] <lifeless> hi
[11:20] <lifeless> are we meeting?
[11:20] <lifeless> or am I time-confused
[11:21] <elkbuntu> i'm not sure. there's nobody on our agenda page
[11:21] <lifeless> short meeting then
[11:21] <elkbuntu> yep
[11:21] <elkbuntu> in absence of quorum or applicants, i'm inclined to close it.
[11:21] <lifeless> seconded
[11:22] <elkbuntu> and try finish my talk for thursday.
[15:35] <nijaba> @now paris
[15:58] <kirkland> o/
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> \o
[15:59]  * mathiaz waves
[15:59] <Koon> \o/
[16:00] <ScottK-laptop> Hello.
[16:00] <zul> yarp yarp
[16:01] <sommer> hey all
[16:01] <jjesse> hello
[16:01] <jjesse> time to get started?
[16:01] <mathiaz> all right folks!
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> ScottK-laptop: Hi, apachelogger had to go to the hospital because his bf got in a car accident
[16:01] <mathiaz> let's get this started
[16:01] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:01] <mathiaz> welcome to the Server Team meeting!
[16:01] <mathiaz> starring... well a lot of interesting people! :)
[16:01] <nijaba> o/
[16:02] <mathiaz> today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:02] <mathiaz> we've got plenty of things to cover this week!
[16:02] <ScottK-laptop> mathiaz: Did you get my ping about going first?
[16:02] <ScottK-laptop> I can make it quick.
[16:02] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: hm - I didn't get your ping
[16:03] <ScottK-laptop> I've only got about 20 minutes and then I need to go.
[16:03] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: oh ok.
[16:03] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] KDE mysql needs for Jaunty
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  KDE mysql needs for Jaunty
[16:03] <ScottK-laptop> KDE has two major packages that use mysql.
[16:04] <ScottK-laptop> akonadi and amarok.
[16:04] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna is here also from the Kubuntu team to help me discuss
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> \o
[16:04] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: right - I ran into akonadi when I developer the apparmor profile
[16:04] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: I had some dicussion with the upstream devs about it also.
[16:05] <ScottK-laptop> Good.
[16:05] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: IIRC you introduced me to them
[16:05] <ScottK-laptop> I wanted to coordinate early to ensure that our mysql packages work with akonadi so we don't have code copies.
[16:05] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: IIRC the current situation is that akonadi starts its own mysql process
[16:05] <ScottK-laptop> Right.
[16:05] <ScottK-laptop> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/79351/ has some background.
[16:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/79351/ has some background.
[16:06] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Jump in any time.
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> ok, heh
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> Amarok uses mysqle for music collection management
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> I think for that we just basically need to ensure that we have mysql 5.1 for jaunty
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> and it looks like that's on the agenda ;-)
[16:06] <mathiaz> JontheEchidna: right - zul and I have been looking into that
[16:06] <zul> heh we were just talking about that
[16:07] <mathiaz> the issue we have for now is that mysql 5.1 doesn't build on jaunty
[16:07] <mathiaz> or even 5.0
[16:07] <ScottK-laptop> One issue I see with amarok is that any time we do post-release updates on mysql, amarok might need rebuilding to get the benifit of the update.
[16:07] <ScottK-laptop> Given that amarok is using the embedded approach, I don't think that's avoidable.
[16:08] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: IIUC amarok uses the embedded mysql library that comes with 5.1
[16:08] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[16:08] <ScottK-laptop> That's why it needs 5.1.
[16:08] <zul> well once we get mysql to build then I dont see a problem with it
[16:09] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: ok - what would be the consequence of not packaging 5.1 in jaunty?
[16:09] <ScottK-laptop> So I think somewhere it needs to be written down "If you do a security update of mysql, rebuild amarok against it for Jaunty and follow"
[16:09] <ScottK-laptop> We need 5.1 in some form for amarok2 (which is the KDE4 version).
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> mathiaz: If we don't package 5.1 apachelogger sez that there's a set of two patches we can use to make it work with amarok
[16:09] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: the reason I ask this is because there has been a blog post on planet.mysql.com stating the 5.1 wasn't ready for production
[16:10] <mathiaz> JontheEchidna: patches for 5.0?
[16:10] <ScottK-laptop> So either it's packaged by the distro, it's stuffed inside the amarok package, or we're stuck on the KDE3 version again (this is a very bad thing).
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> I would assume so
[16:10] <mathiaz> JontheEchidna: IIUC amarok requires mysql embeded and 5.0 doesn't have support for embededd.
[16:10] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: That note he left is about patches to 5.1.
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> nevermind then
[16:10] <ScottK-laptop> Well amarok2 is at RC stage using it.
[16:11] <ScottK-laptop> So it must be at least ok'ish.
[16:11] <ScottK-laptop> Part of the trick here is that amarok is in Main, so this would need to be in Main.
[16:12] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: right - I don't a personal opinion about the state of 5.1 - I've just been watching the MySQL community
[16:12] <mathiaz> I don't *have*
[16:12] <ScottK-laptop> One way or another we'll need 5.1.
[16:12]  * ScottK-laptop nods.
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> We did package our own mysql bits for a PPA containing amarok2, so that's a possibility
[16:12] <ScottK-laptop> Right.  That's what we'd like to avoid.
[16:12] <ScottK-laptop> Who is working on mysql for server team?
[16:12] <mathiaz> yeah - packaging mysql 5.1 in amarok would make the security team cry
[16:13] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: zul and me mainly
[16:13]  * jdstrand sniffles
[16:13] <zul> is this embeded stuff jut a library?
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> zul: libmysql is all that's needed at build time
[16:13] <mathiaz> zul: yeah - it was in 4.0 or 4.1 IIRC
[16:13] <mathiaz> zul: but 5.0 doesn't ship it.
[16:13] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Maybe you could coordinate with them to pass on what you did in the PPA so they have the advantage of that work.
[16:13] <mathiaz> so it seems we have one application in main that requires 5.1
[16:13] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[16:13] <jdstrand> so 5.1 isn't considered ready for production by mysql themselves?
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> brb
[16:14] <mathiaz> jdstrand: it is now.
[16:14] <zul> couldnt we jut promote the library and keep everything else in universe for 5.1 if we decide that 5.1 is not stable enough
[16:14] <mathiaz> jdstrand: 5.1.30 has been declare GA
[16:14] <mathiaz> jdstrand: Nov 27th
[16:14] <ScottK-laptop> zul: presumably.
[16:14] <jdstrand> mathiaz: so our plan is to move to 5.1 whole hog and drop 5.0 support in jaunty?
[16:14] <jdstrand> or support both?
[16:14] <mathiaz> jdstrand: that would be one option
[16:15] <zul> icky..
[16:15] <mathiaz> jdstrand: I'd go for 5.1 in main and 5.0 in universe
[16:15] <jdstrand> mathiaz: that seems reasonable to me
[16:15] <mathiaz> jdstrand: the same way we have 4.1 in universe
[16:15] <ScottK-laptop> Does mysql support multiple versions alongside like postgresql does (I'm more familiar with that)?
[16:15] <mathiaz> however moving 5.1 in main means we'd have to take of the library transition
[16:15] <jdstrand> I don't want to be supporting two separate releases in main if at all possible
[16:16] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: AFAICT no
[16:16] <zul> it doesnt
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> ScottK-laptop: we have the packaging in a bzr branch, so it should be fairly easy to share
[16:16] <ScottK-laptop> Any standard Kubuntu install will use akonadi and amarok both.
[16:16] <mathiaz> JontheEchidna: are you running the test suite during the build?
[16:16] <ScottK-laptop> So it sounds like akonadi will have to migrate to 5.1 too then to be co-installable.
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> mathiaz: I don't know (I've only done updates to the packaging), apachelogger probably would though
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> ...but he's not here :(
[16:17] <zul> is it somewhere now?
[16:18] <mathiaz> the main issue now is that the test suite fails.
[16:18] <ScottK-laptop> zul: Am I correct then that since amarok needs 5.1 and it needs to be co-installable with akonadi, that akonadi also needs to use 5.1?
[16:18] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: yes - that's a reasonable assumption.
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> oh, maybe he doesn't have it in a bzr branch...
[16:19] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: we could try to support both libmysql 5.0 and 5.1 in main
[16:19] <ScottK-laptop> mathiaz: OK, so it sounds like Kubuntu pretty well HAS to get 5.1 then.
[16:19] <mathiaz> but that means the security would have to support two version of mysql
[16:19] <ScottK-laptop> Once it's akonadi it's more than just the lib.
[16:20] <mathiaz> Ok - so to summarize
[16:20] <mathiaz> it seems we have a compeling use case to get 5.1 in jaunty
[16:20] <mathiaz> zul and I have already been looking into merging 5.1 from experimental
[16:20] <ScottK-laptop> Amarok2 will be one of Kubuntu's marquee features for Jaunty, so we REALLY need it.
[16:21]  * JontheEchidna would cry if we had to include JuK
[16:21] <mathiaz> zul: could you look into the library transition?
[16:21] <mathiaz> zul: ie have list of package that would need to be rebuild?
[16:21] <zul> mathiaz: yeah I could
[16:22] <mathiaz> [ACTION] zul to document the library transition requirement for mysql 5.1
[16:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to document the library transition requirement for mysql 5.1
[16:22] <mathiaz> I'll try to get some input on the test failure while working on the 5.1 merge
[16:22] <ScottK-laptop> mathiaz: How about some action to look into security team's position on supporting two versions in Main.
[16:22] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to look into test build failures of mysql 5.1
[16:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to look into test build failures of mysql 5.1
[16:23] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: well - jdstrand already expressed his view
[16:23] <ScottK-laptop> mathiaz: He didn't say no.
[16:23] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: they rarely say no... they always express concerns ;)
[16:23] <zoopster1> are there any lp entries that I can get mysql engineers to look at to help the cause? I have a bi-montlhy call with a mysql liason
[16:23] <jdstrand> I am confident in expressing that we do not want to do that if at all possible
[16:24] <ScottK-laptop> jdstrand: ;-)
[16:24] <ScottK-laptop> zoopster1: When's the next call?
[16:24] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: having only 5.1 in main mean that akonadi should support 5.1
[16:24] <jdstrand> it is a very strong-- "please, please don't"
[16:24] <jdstrand> :)
[16:24] <ScottK-laptop> mathiaz: Having 5.0/5.1 not coinstallable means akonadi needs to be 5.1
[16:25] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: however I don't see why akonadi wouldn't work with 5.1 since it starts it's own mysql process
[16:25] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: IIUC akonadi doesn't use a library
[16:25] <ScottK-laptop> Agreed, to the extent 5.1 is stable, reliable, etc.
[16:25] <zoopster1> thurs 1:30 et
[16:25] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: so it just uses SQL
[16:25] <ScottK-laptop> mathiaz: Well there's your deadline to get some help ^^^
[16:26] <ScottK-laptop> Akonadi carries user critical data, so it has to be reliable.
[16:26] <mathiaz> zoopster1: I'll get in touch with you if I ran into issues.
[16:26] <mathiaz> ok - let's move on.
[16:26] <ScottK-laptop> mathiaz: How about an action to let Kubuntu developers know when 5.1 hits the archive and one for us to update akonadi to 5.1.
[16:27] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Thanks.
[16:27] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> ScottK-laptop: You're welcome
[16:27] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Thanks (in abstentia).
[16:27] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] split https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM in multiple sub pages
[16:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  split https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM in multiple sub pages
[16:27] <zoopster1> mathiaz: deal
[16:27] <ScottK-laptop> Have a nice meeting everyone.
[16:27] <mathiaz> nijaba: what's your brilliant idea?
[16:28] <nijaba> no that brillant
[16:28] <nijaba> I just think the page is too bug
[16:28] <nijaba> big
[16:28] <nijaba> and that it could be splitted in sub pages
[16:29] <nijaba> but wanted to see if people had objections before doing so
[16:29] <mathiaz> nijaba: do you have an idea about the structure?
[16:29] <kirkland> nijaba: multiple pages could definitely be more effective, done correctly
[16:29] <nijaba> mathiaz: not yet, but that would be a theme structure.  one sub section will be dedicated to windows guest, that's sure
[16:30] <mathiaz> nijaba: ok - so the first step would be to come up with the structure
[16:31] <mathiaz> nijaba: and then content can be moved from the main page to its sub-page
[16:31] <nijaba> mathiaz: ok. you can action me on that
[16:31] <mathiaz> nijaba: great. could you add an item in the roadmap and put up the new structure as bullet points there?
[16:31] <nijaba> mathiaz: fine
[16:31] <mathiaz> nijaba: I don't think we need a blueprint for that
[16:32] <nijaba> hope not ;)
[16:32] <mathiaz> [ACTION] nijaba to add an item about KVM wiki page restructure on the Roadmap and list the new structure
[16:32] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nijaba to add an item about KVM wiki page restructure on the Roadmap and list the new structure
[16:32] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Encrypted home: beta available
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Encrypted home: beta available
[16:32] <mathiaz> kirkland: has an amazing news!
[16:33]  * jjesse waits exepenctantly
[16:33] <kirkland> mathiaz, et al:  encrypted home directory code is working well :-)
[16:34] <kirkland> I just blogged about it here: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2008/12/ubuntu-jaunty-encrypted-home.html, hoping for some early testers
[16:34] <kirkland> two packages affected, in my PPA, adduser, and ecryptfs-utils
[16:34] <kirkland> assuming you upgrade those two packages, it's simply a matter of "adduser --encrypt-home foo"
[16:34] <nijaba> kirkland: have you done any bench on perf impact?
[16:34] <kirkland> and foo's home directory will be setup for total encryption
[16:35] <kirkland> nijaba: i did a basic test
[16:35] <kirkland> nijaba: i debuild compiled a sufficiently large package
[16:35] <kirkland> nijaba: in my encrypted home dir, it took about 19 minutes
[16:35] <kirkland> nijaba: in a non-encrypted /tmp dir, it took almost 18 minutes
[16:35] <nijaba> hmmm; sounds good!
[16:36] <kirkland> nijaba: not very scientific, i know
[16:36] <kirkland> nijaba: do we have an filesystem performance testers out there?
[16:36] <nijaba> enough for me to be convinced to give it a shot on my test machine
[16:36] <kirkland> nijaba: someone that could help benchmark this?
[16:36] <kirkland> nijaba: good point ...  test machines only at this point
[16:36] <kirkland> nijaba: in my PPA, and such
[16:36] <kirkland> the file name encryption hasn't landed in the ubuntu kernel yet
[16:37] <kirkland> though it is in Andrew Morton's -mm tree
[16:37] <kirkland> so its well on its way to upstream adoption
[16:37] <kirkland> i do think that should make jaunty's final kernel
[16:37] <kirkland> i have a number of other things still to do...
[16:37] <kirkland> integrating into the Server and Desktop installers
[16:38] <kirkland> and modifying the graphical Users and Groups program to support the option
[16:38] <kirkland> in any case, i think the hardest part is behind me ;-)
[16:38] <kirkland> so if you have a VM lying around, running Jaunty, please give it a shot ;-)
[16:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: is the list of TODO items tracked somewhere?
[16:39] <kirkland> mathiaz: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/encrypted-home-directory
[16:39] <nijaba> kirkland: you could get in touch with the guys at phoronyx to give us an idea on the impact
[16:39] <kirkland> mathiaz: in the whiteboard
[16:39] <kirkland> mathiaz: i still need to make a full wiki spec for it, at which point i'll migrate those over there
[16:39] <kirkland> nijaba: interesting, okay...  do you have a contact over there?
[16:39] <kirkland> nijaba: those were the guys who trashed Intrepid, though, right?
[16:40] <nijaba> kirkland: will get you in touch with them
[16:40] <kirkland> nijaba: thanks
[16:40] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'll probably shift some focus to encrypted swap now
[16:40] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - considering that you'll have to write something up for UDS you could start a wiki page now
[16:41] <kirkland> mathiaz: as that's critically important to the security of the homedir's data, now, in that any cleartext homedir data *only* lives in memory, which could get swapped to disk
[16:41] <mathiaz> kirkland: OTOH if these are just minor points, adding to the Roadmap would be enough IMO
[16:41] <kirkland> mathiaz: okey doke
[16:41] <kirkland> mathiaz: i plan on having a wiki page anyway
[16:41] <mathiaz> [ACTION] kirkland to create a wiki page for encrypted home directories
[16:41] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to create a wiki page for encrypted home directories
[16:42] <mathiaz> kirkland: anything else on the encrytped front?
[16:43] <kirkland> mathiaz: don't think so
[16:43] <Koon> kirkland: any way to have a non-encrypted foler inside an encrypted home directory ?
[16:43] <Koon> (folder)
[16:43] <kirkland> Koon: kind of ...
[16:43] <kirkland> Koon: ecryptfs at the kernel layer supports something called "passthrough"
[16:44] <kirkland> Koon: which would do what you suggest
[16:44] <kirkland> Koon: however, there's a couple of bugs (or feature requests) in the kernel ecryptfs filesystem that are keeping this from being feature-complete
[16:44] <Koon> kirkland: just asking :)
[16:44] <kirkland> Koon: it's a great, fair question
[16:44] <mathiaz> allright - let's move on
[16:44] <kirkland> Koon: and it's something i hope we're close to fixing
[16:44] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] likewise-open SRU
[16:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  likewise-open SRU
[16:45] <mathiaz> Koon: ^^?
[16:45] <Koon> Well ,testing is now done, thanks to sommer
[16:45] <Koon> it's just waiting for -updates copy
[16:46] <mathiaz> Koon: great - any other SRU that should be tested?
[16:46] <Koon> mathiaz: nope, I do have a tomcat5.5 hardy SRU waiting for sponsoring though
[16:46] <mathiaz> Koon: bug number?
[16:47] <Koon> bug 179447
[16:47] <mathiaz> Koon: OTOH you'll be a MOTU soon
[16:47] <mathiaz> Koon: that could be your first upload
[16:47] <Koon> mathiaz: I hope so, so I figured I could do it myself
[16:48] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open discussion
[16:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open discussion
[16:48] <mathiaz> anything else to add?D
[16:48] <james_w> Koon: I'm pretty sure I uploaded that
[16:48] <nijaba> I guess there will be no meeting next week because of UDS, right?
[16:48] <kirkland> show of hands, who's attending UDS?  :-)
[16:48] <kirkland> o/
[16:49] <nijaba> o/
[16:49] <mathiaz> nijaba: I was about to discuss that in the next topic
[16:49] <mathiaz> o/
[16:49] <zul> \o\
[16:49] <zoopster1> o/
[16:49] <Koon> james_w: you uploaded the intrepid fix... bug not the hardy SRU
[16:49] <sommer> o//
[16:49] <james_w> Koon: Successfully uploaded tomcat5.5_5.5.25-5ubuntu1.2_source.changes to upload.ubuntu.com.
[16:49] <Koon> ah.hm.
[16:49] <james_w> Koon: I'm trying to work out where it went
[16:50] <Koon> o\
[16:50] <mathiaz> Reminder: dendrobates will buy any server team member a beer if they find him at UDS
[16:50] <james_w> Koon: Subject: 	[ubuntu/hardy-proposed] tomcat5.5 5.5.25-5ubuntu1.2 (Waiting for approval)
[16:50] <james_w> Date: 	Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:10:08 -0000
[16:50] <zul> mathiaz: it should be easier to corner him now
[16:51] <mathiaz> a picture of him can be found in his LP account - https://launchpad.net/~dendrobates/
[16:52] <Koon> james_w: ok, so it's in the queue. Thanks, couldn't tell by looking at the bug
[16:52] <james_w> Koon: yeah, I should have added a comment I now realise. You can see it at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[16:53] <mathiaz> anything else to add?
[16:53] <Koon> have a great time at UDS, guys, drink one or two beers in my name :)
[16:53] <nijaba> Koon: will do!
[16:53]  * Koon still hopes to get private access to the robotic webcam
[16:54] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:54] <mathiaz> as nijaba mentioned earlier, UDS will be taking place next week
[16:54] <mathiaz> and most of us will be there (sorry Koon :/ )
[16:55] <mathiaz> so my proposal is to not have a server team meeting next week
[16:55] <mathiaz> and instead we'll meet again here on IRC in two weeks
[16:55] <mathiaz> same time, same place, in two weeks?
[16:55] <sommer> sounds good to me
[16:56] <nijaba> +1
[16:57] <mathiaz> great then
[16:57] <mathiaz> next IRC meeting in two weeks, same time, same place
[16:58] <mathiaz> and see most of you at UDS next week (or even earlier for those of you that attend Fosscamp
[16:58] <mathiaz> thanks for attending!
[16:58] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:58] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:58.
[16:58] <nijaba> Thanks a lot Mathiaz, see you @ Fosscamp
[16:59] <sommer> thanks mathiaz, later on all
[17:00] <pgraner> Time for the Kernel Team Weekly Meeting....
[17:00] <pgraner> #startmeeting
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:00. The chair is pgraner.
[17:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:00]  * apw is here
[17:01] <pgraner> The agenda can be found here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:01] <lieb> here
[17:01] <pgraner> I wanted to get some admin out of the way first.
[17:01]  * smb_tp arrives
[17:01] <sconklin> here
[17:01]  * cking here
[17:01] <pgraner> We will cancel next weeks meeting due to UDS and resume the following week
[17:02] <apw> sounds reasonable to me
[17:02] <pgraner> [ACTION] pgraner to update wiki, and email notifying of cancellation of next weeks meeting
[17:02] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pgraner to update wiki, and email notifying of cancellation of next weeks meeting
[17:02] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Security and Bugfix Kernels
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security and Bugfix Kernels
[17:02] <pgraner> Intrepid
[17:03] <pgraner> How do we look?
[17:03] <rtg> all done
[17:03] <rtg> uploaded, propagated, etc
[17:03] <pgraner> rtg: anything filling the queue yet?
[17:03] <rtg> lots of SRUs puring in.
[17:03] <rtg> pouring, even
[17:04] <rtg> no CVEs that I'm aware of.
[17:04] <pgraner> rtg: great
[17:04] <pgraner> Hardy?
[17:04] <smb_tp> Dapper to Hardy should be done as well for security. And Hardy -proposed also looks good
[17:04] <smb_tp> Also no new CVEs
[17:04] <pgraner> smb_tp: when is proposed getting pushed?
[17:05] <smb_tp> pgraner, It is already uploaded. Possibly only meta missing
[17:05] <pgraner> smb_tp: ok...
[17:05] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Jaunty Status
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Jaunty Status
[17:06] <pgraner> BenC, rtg: ^^^^^^^^^^
[17:06] <rtg> will upload 2.6.28-2.2 momentarily
[17:06] <rtg> sent out mailing list note
[17:06] <apw> is there any userspace dependancies as yet?
[17:06] <pgraner> rtg: yea just saw that... mail is moving slow today :-(
[17:06] <rtg> its a rebase against 2.6.28-rc7 plus some other patches.
[17:07] <pgraner> rtg: how many sauce patches are we carrying?
[17:07] <rtg> dunno, but I actually dropped a couple during this rebase.
[17:07] <pgraner> rtg: thats info we need to gather for UDS
[17:07] <rtg> some wacom tablet stuff
[17:08] <amitk> pgraner: 46
[17:08] <amitk> ...with no reference to 42
[17:08] <pgraner> amitk: about the same as Intrepid ...
[17:08] <BenC> pgraner: sorry, got side tracked on another discussion...
[17:09] <pgraner> BenC: no worries...
[17:09] <rtg> talked to fabbione this morning. we need to update gfs as soon as he's got a version ready for .28
[17:09] <apw> we have a couple of reverts in the list so there may be a couple fewer
[17:09] <BenC> rtg: Have you reviewed those two reverts to mainline?
[17:10] <pgraner> rtg: what about GFS2 I thought that superseded gfs?
[17:10] <amitk> apw: right. I missed that in the quick scan. 44 then.
[17:10] <BenC> pgraner: gfs is meant to allow moving to gfs2
[17:10] <rtg> BenC: the wacom tablet reverts? yes - I looked at upstream. seems to be a superset.
[17:10] <pgraner> BenC: ok... I thought we were there already, I don't track GFS actively...
[17:10] <BenC> pgraner: they aren't compatible, and since fabbione is willing to maintain it (and is upstream for it), we are keeping it around
[17:11] <pgraner> BenC: ack
[17:11] <rtg> pgraner: fabbione says we'll have to carry it another 2 or 3 years
[17:11] <BenC> I'm guessing we can drop it after the next lts
[17:11] <pgraner> rtg: wow, thats a long cycle. Does anyone know what the others distros are doing, if anything different?
[17:11] <rtg> you can bet redhat is carrying it :)
[17:11] <BenC> pgraner: fedora/redhat are keeping it as well (fabbione works for them)
[17:12] <amitk> BenC: can't any of the sauce patches be upstreamed?
[17:12] <amitk> 44d5e51a5199cd4cf939fa3a15e03c85093f3ccd
[17:12] <BenC> amitk: they all need to be reviewed for that, but yes, a lot can
[17:12] <apw> we should probabally do a review across them
[17:13] <pgraner> Thats a UDS discussion
[17:13] <apw> is there a specific session for that?
[17:13] <apw> or is that a beer-tent session
[17:13] <rtg> apw: I think there is a session for it
[17:14] <pgraner> apw: yes
[17:14] <pgraner> Anything else for Jaunty?
[17:14] <rtg> beer tents are too noisy for that sort of thing
[17:14] <BenC> pgraner: lrm is prepped and ready for upload
[17:14] <pgraner> I think we will hammer quite a bit out during UDS
[17:14] <pgraner> BenC: nice
[17:14] <BenC> pgraner: nothing needed to be ported, was a clean compile
[17:15] <amitk> BenC: any plans to replace madwifi HAL?
[17:15] <amitk> and move it out of LRM?
[17:15] <BenC> amitk: gonna leave that to rtg...I have no hardware to confirm it
[17:15] <rtg> amitk: madwifi should just disappear
[17:15]  * amitk nods
[17:15] <BenC> rtg: will ath5k/ath9k be using the newly open sources hal?
[17:15] <amitk> but untile ath5k and ath9k works for everybody...
[17:15] <BenC> *sourced
[17:15] <amitk> *until
[17:16] <rtg> 9k isn't relevant, only 5k. and 5k ought to be a superset by now.
[17:16] <rtg> Luis will be at UDS, we can chat him up about it.
[17:16] <pgraner> [TOPIC] ARM
[17:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM
[17:17] <pgraner> amitk: anything new since last week?
[17:17] <BenC> looks like armel built fine with -1.1 upload, so that's a big plus
[17:17] <amitk> wading through a _huge_ patchset that is the diff between Linus' tree and linux-omap tree
[17:17] <apw> is that the like 500k commits one?
[17:18] <amitk> UDS decision to be made: go with linux-omap tree for all -omap flavours OR
[17:18] <rtg> amitk: are you cross compiling ?
[17:18] <amitk> apply several hundred patches to the ubuntu kernel
[17:18] <amitk> rtg: yes
[17:18] <pgraner> amitk: whats the story with the omap tree? when are those patches expected to be in mainline?
[17:18] <amitk> pgraner: another year :)
[17:18] <pgraner> amitk: ouch
[17:19] <amitk> lots of driver fixes needed.
[17:19] <amitk> plus first they go to Russell's tree (linux-arm)
[17:19] <amitk> then on to Linus'
[17:19] <cking> amitk: maintenance nightmare
[17:19] <pgraner> amitk: ok, we will have that as part of the general kernel roundtable. I'm just worried about bug/security divergence
[17:19] <amitk> pgraner: in general it is _possible_ to apply the patches to our tree
[17:20] <amitk> since linux-omap is very uptodate with linus' tree
[17:20] <pgraner> amitk: sounds like its time for a new guy to step up </hint>
[17:20] <amitk> but I'll leave the decision to UDS with some more numbers in terms of patches and effort
[17:20] <pgraner> Ok... anything else amitk ?
[17:21] <amitk> it would help if someone can take lpia burden off for a while...
[17:21] <pgraner> amitk: ok, we can do that next week when we are all together
[17:21] <amitk> ack
[17:21] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[17:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[17:21] <pgraner> Go for it!
[17:22] <apw> where are we with the various blueprints
[17:22] <rtg> rumor has it that pgraner buys all of the beer next week.
[17:22]  * apw remembers that too
[17:22] <amitk> rtg: I heard that one too
[17:22]  * pgraner buys with rtg's credit card
[17:22] <apw> sneaky
[17:22]  * rtg expenses everything
[17:22] <cking> heh
[17:23] <pgraner> apw: we will hit blueprints in the next topic
[17:23]  * pgraner notes that rtg has an answer for everything
[17:23] <pgraner> I guess we can move on then...
[17:23] <ogasawara> we're looking good for bugs getting worked on from the weekly buglist
[17:24] <apw> ogasawara, your list is much easier to work with now thanks again for the updates
[17:24] <pgraner> Oh... sorry ogasawara I forgot to add you back on the agenda. I'll fix now
[17:24] <pgraner> ogasawara: I too like the new format
[17:24] <sconklin> +1
[17:25] <pgraner> [TOPIC] UDS
[17:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS
[17:25] <pgraner> Blueprints are done except for two: kernel-packaging & Kernel Faster Booting
[17:26] <rtg> its on my todo list for today
[17:26] <pgraner> I've got a call with sconklin later today on the packaging one
[17:26] <amitk> guilty as charged. Working on it in bits and pieces
[17:26] <pgraner> rtg: great...
[17:26] <apw> i have some updates to do, but the bulk is there
[17:26] <amitk> hard to write a spec that you don't really agree with...
[17:27] <pgraner> amitk: we need to have it flused out buy the actual session so there is a bit of time
[17:27] <amitk> akc
[17:27] <amitk> ack
[17:27] <pgraner> amitk: its not so much that you agree with it, its about the investigation and making sure we cover all the alternatives
[17:28] <apw> amitk, in a sense being a harsh critic makes you think about the bad points better, and those are just as valid, as are alternative options
[17:28] <amitk> pgraner: just to be sure, this isn't about speeding up boot in general, right?
[17:28] <amitk> it is about booting from a pre-saved image
[17:28] <pgraner> amitk: there are two different blue prints, rtg has Faster boot. You have the presaved image. Much like what we talked about in London
[17:29] <amitk> ok. good.
[17:29] <rtg> amitk: why is fast boot a separate spec?
[17:29] <rtg> isn't pre-saved image just another method for fater boot?
[17:29] <amitk> rtg: because it is not necessary achievable for all hardware? And is bootloader dependent?
[17:29] <pgraner> rtg: the presaved image is a "instant on" type thing
[17:30] <pgraner> I would ask that everyone read all the specs and add to them as you see fit. The more there the better.
[17:31] <rtg> I'll have idle moments during FOSS camp to do just that.
[17:31] <pgraner> Anything else on UDS?
[17:32] <pgraner> I'll take silence as approval....
[17:32] <apw> nothing here
[17:32] <smb_tp> ack
[17:33] <lieb> ack
[17:33] <cking> silent ack
[17:33] <pgraner> Reminder no meeting next week. See everyone at UDS!
[17:33] <apw> see you there!
[17:33] <amitk> bye
[17:33] <BenC> see ya!
[17:33] <dholbach> see you there :-)
[17:33] <smb_tp> till then
[17:34] <pgraner> #endmeeting
[17:34] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:34.
[19:17] <nizarus> @schedule tunis
[20:57] <Burgundavia> hmm, anybody else around?
[20:57] <boredandblogging> hope so
[20:57] <hatemsh> hi all
[20:58] <MaWaLe> hi folks
[20:58] <MaWaLe> hi boredandblogging
[20:58] <Burgundavia> quorum is > 1, sadly
[20:59] <Technoviking> hello
[21:00] <Technoviking> I'm here, my wireless is hazy, may drop off
[21:01] <Burgundavia> so we have two
[21:01] <cody-somerville> I'm around
[21:03] <sabdfl> hello all
[21:03] <Burgundavia> excellent
[21:03] <sabdfl> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[21:04] <sabdfl> is Nick Ali present?
[21:04] <boredandblogging> here
[21:04] <sabdfl> do we have quorum?
[21:04] <Technoviking> 3 of us
[21:04] <boredandblogging> i wrote up some notes on /talk
[21:04] <boredandblogging> i can rehash if needed or clarify
[21:05] <Burgundavia> the first issue the news team calendar?
[21:06] <boredandblogging> Burgundavia: yes
[21:06] <Burgundavia> can we avoid the whole development issue by using google calendar and then feed that into drupal?
[21:06] <boredandblogging> the meeting bot still needs to be fixed
[21:07] <boredandblogging> and thats the main problem
[21:07] <sabdfl> does google calendar not handle the repeating nature?
[21:08] <sabdfl> i.e. can we get a feed from google with repeating events exploded out?
[21:08] <boredandblogging> the google calendar handles it fine
[21:08] <Burgundavia> it would just spit out an ical file
[21:08] <Burgundavia> can we not feed that into drupal and thus the events become non-repeating?
[21:08] <sabdfl> it does spit out ical, but does it also spit out a list of events in another format?
[21:09] <boredandblogging> ical and ics is all I've seen
[21:09] <boredandblogging> reading feeds into drupal is not the easiest thing especially into the event modules
[21:09] <nizarus> ical, xml and html
[21:09] <boredandblogging> feeds are handled completely differently
[21:09] <sabdfl> does the newer drupal codebase work with repeating events?
[21:10] <boredandblogging> we haven't tested it out
[21:10] <boredandblogging> but if it did do it properly, still a meeting bot issue
[21:10] <boredandblogging> but if it did each event separately, it could work
[21:10] <boredandblogging> but I'm not sure why it would break it out
[21:11] <Technoviking> who runs the meeting bot code?
[21:11] <boredandblogging> stdin
[21:11] <Burgundavia> does the ical file lists the events as repeating or one event at a time?
[21:11] <boredandblogging> repeating
[21:12] <sabdfl> it gets even trickier when you have a repeating event that gets moved around for one instance
[21:12] <boredandblogging> correct
[21:12] <sabdfl> i.e. a CC meeting that gets pushed back an hour on a particular week
[21:13] <boredandblogging> yeah, I'm not sure how ical handles that, but right the code would have to consider that
[21:13] <sabdfl> did we develop this bot, or is it something that existed elsewhere that we adapted?
[21:13] <Burgundavia> indeed, my thought
[21:13] <boredandblogging> savveas
[21:14] <sabdfl> is it in python...?
[21:14] <boredandblogging> yeah, its a supybot module
[21:16] <Burgundavia> so you are asking for Canonical resources, essentially?
[21:16] <boredandblogging> heh
[21:16] <boredandblogging> at least finding someone to fix the bot
[21:16] <boredandblogging> anyone who can code and make the changes
[21:16] <Burgundavia> given we at the CC are more of the moral persuasion
[21:16] <Burgundavia> have you tried blogging about it?
[21:17] <sabdfl> i wonder if google's api doesn't allow us to count on it for expanding out the ical file
[21:17] <Burgundavia> apologies if you have, been heads down with school recently
[21:17] <boredandblogging> i haven't blogged about it
[21:17] <sabdfl> i will send off an email to some folks at canonical that just did some work on google calendar scripting
[21:17] <Technoviking> sorry wireless drop off for a minute
[21:17] <sabdfl> i take it that it's sufficient to be able to monitor a google calendar and announce events in a set of channels?
[21:18] <boredandblogging> sabdfl: yeah, we just want to maintain its current functionality
[21:18] <sabdfl> i don't know the full extent of that :-)
[21:18] <sabdfl> ok, i'll send that mail, nick what's your email addy?
[21:19] <boredandblogging> sabdfl: nali @ ubuntu
[21:19] <sabdfl> okdokey, will cc you
[21:19] <sabdfl> hope something good comes out of it
[21:19] <boredandblogging> thanks guys
[21:19] <sabdfl> yann hamon?
[21:20] <Burgundavia> postponed until the 16th
[21:20] <sabdfl> do we have a view on corporate blogs and planet? this came up before with canonical
[21:21] <Burgundavia> as long as it isn't overt advertising, I don't have a major issue with it
[21:21] <Burgundavia> something like Novells PR blog on planet suse is a bit too advertising for me, for example
[21:22] <sabdfl> how about we subscribe to a subset feed?
[21:22] <sabdfl> say, if they explicitly tag it "planet" then we take it?
[21:22] <sabdfl> and then we also hold them accountable for not advertising?
[21:22] <Burgundavia> sure
[21:23] <Burgundavia> maybe we have a trial period?
[21:23] <sabdfl> that makes "publish on planet" a conscious decision, rather than an accident
[21:23] <Technoviking> don't think so, I think it would be fine to have a corporate blog feed to the planet if it is Ubuntu releated, no sales pitch!
[21:23] <Technoviking> +1
[21:23] <sabdfl> i think a review in three months would be useful
[21:23] <sabdfl> if only to say "so far so groovy"
[21:23] <Burgundavia> that works
[21:24] <Technoviking> sounds like a plan
[21:24] <Burgundavia> should we explicitly list the corporate blogs somewhere on the wiki with the rules?
[21:24] <Burgundavia> and how to get added?
[21:24] <sabdfl> where should we document this policy guideline?
[21:24] <Burgundavia> Planet/CorporateBlogs
[21:24] <Burgundavia> ?
[21:25] <sabdfl> if it's just one paragraph, can we add it to the main page?
[21:25] <sabdfl> how about requiring CC approval?
[21:25] <sabdfl> just so we don't get folks adding companies that are almost peripheral
[21:25] <boredandblogging> wouldn't it be better to have a separate planet for it? I would think a lot of companies would be interested
[21:26] <Burgundavia> a corporate ghetto? no thanks
[21:26] <sabdfl> we don't have a concept of "corporate membership" but i think some awareness at CC level would be useful, until it gets bedded down and can be delegated
[21:26] <sabdfl> i agree, a separate planet would be less useful
[21:26] <Burgundavia> corporations can be just as much a part of the community as a person
[21:26] <sabdfl> +1
[21:26] <lifeless> I think it would be great to have the companies deeply into Ubuntu blogging on planet
[21:26] <lifeless> just as a non-cc-member opinion
[21:26] <Burgundavia> we should also encourage their engineers, etc. to create blogs and post about projects they are working on
[21:27] <boredandblogging> just afraid the planet would get swamped, but that can be dealt with later
[21:27] <Burgundavia> subject to normal membership guidelines, etc.
[21:27] <sabdfl> ok
[21:27] <sabdfl> Burgundavia: would you draft a paragraph for the Planet page?
[21:27] <sabdfl> salient points are:
[21:27] <Burgundavia> should we ask that at least one person at the company is a member (strawman, not certain if I like it or hate it)
[21:28] <sabdfl>  - "conscious subsets" of corporate blogs can be published on planet
[21:28] <sabdfl>  - needs to be agreed with CC
[21:28] <sabdfl>  - criteria will be sustained and significant involvement in Ubuntu by the company
[21:28] <sabdfl>  - and no advertising on posts flagged for publishing on planet
[21:28] <sabdfl> Burgundavia: +1
[21:29] <sabdfl> (on the requirement that the company have a member to take responsibility)
[21:29] <Burgundavia> Technoviking: ?
[21:29] <sabdfl> any other bullets folks would add to that list?
[21:29] <Technoviking> +1 on that
[21:29] <boredandblogging> creative commons licensed?
[21:29] <Technoviking> It sounds like a great idea
[21:29] <lifeless> boredandblogging: don't see that that is specific to company blogs
[21:30] <Burgundavia> boredandblogging: enforcing licensing may lead to legal issues that prevent blogging
[21:30] <sabdfl> do we have an existing requirement of CC licensing for planet?
[21:30] <Technoviking> I think posts to the planet would have to be creative commons licenced
[21:31] <sabdfl> i don't think we require that for individuals, do we?
[21:31] <Burgundavia> not currently, unless i have really been sleeping at the switch
[21:32] <Technoviking> I thought we did, but I may be think of the forums post
[21:32] <sabdfl> i take it we have explicit permission, since people subscribe us to their feed
[21:32] <sabdfl> i'm -1 on treating corp blogs differently from a licensing perspective
[21:33] <Burgundavia> yes
[21:33] <sabdfl> Technoviking: ?
[21:33] <Technoviking> that is fine with me, no need for license
[21:33] <sabdfl> other than implied permission to republish
[21:33] <sabdfl> ok
[21:33] <sabdfl> Burgundavia: is that enough for you?
[21:34] <Burgundavia> yep, am working on it right now
[21:34] <sabdfl> okdokey
[21:34] <sabdfl> is that a wrap?
[21:34] <james_w> a related question if you have a moment
[21:35] <sabdfl> Burgundavia: will you cc a copy of that to the UWN folks?
[21:35] <sabdfl> james_w: go for it
[21:35] <Technoviking> is someone from Tunisian LoCo Team here
[21:35] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs
[21:35] <nizarus> o/
[21:35] <Burgundavia> first cut
[21:35] <james_w> does every blog on planet have to be an Ubuntu member, or can you "sponsor" people on to it?
[21:35] <sabdfl> james_w: the former
[21:35] <Burgundavia> interesting idea. why do you suggest it?
[21:35] <james_w> thought so, someone told me otherwise
[21:36] <james_w> "I've done if before and no-one complained" was the line I think :-)
[21:36] <Burgundavia> ahh
[21:36] <Burgundavia> have we actually checked that everybody int eh feed is a member?
[21:36] <sabdfl> that's not *really* the same thing :-)
[21:36] <sabdfl> Burgundavia: i don't think so, no
[21:36] <jcastro> Technoviking: I've been talking to one of the guys about this Tunisian thing
[21:36] <jcastro> Technoviking: I was going to bring it up at a UDS roundtable
[21:36] <Technoviking> jcastro: ok thanks
[21:36] <Burgundavia> do we think it is worth doing?
[21:37] <jcastro> I think so
[21:37] <sabdfl> from a canonical perspective, we have specific decision processes for that
[21:37] <jcastro> I am unsure on who is available and who would want to go and all that.
[21:37] <sabdfl> jcastro is plugged in
[21:38] <Burgundavia> sabdfl: for the corporate blogs page, I am going to circulate on the mailing list for comments before we send it off to the UWN
[21:38] <sabdfl> Burgundavia: +1
[21:38] <sabdfl> on the Tunis question, i think we should let jcastro tackle it
[21:38] <jcastro> I've TODOed it for UDS
[21:38] <sabdfl> if it's appropriate for Canonical to sponsor an Ubuntu member, we'll do that
[21:38] <Technoviking> Burgundavia: looks great: +1
[21:39] <Technoviking> sabdfl: +1, jcastro ftw!!!
[21:39]  * RainCT would like to suggest allowing LoCo Teams to aggregate a feed on planet.ubuntu.com
[21:39] <nizarus> tunisian loco member are here
[21:40] <nizarus> me alibb MaWaLe hatemsh :)
[21:40] <hatemsh> yeh
[21:40] <MaWaLe> here
[21:40] <Technoviking> nizarus: jcastro is going to work with you
[21:41] <nizarus> ok Technoviking
[21:41] <nizarus> sabdfl, you can't attend to it ??
[21:41] <Burgundavia> you need to make a cloning machine with your millions. screw with open source stuff
[21:45] <Burgundavia> hello?
[21:45] <Burgundavia> just to be aware, I have to leave in about 20 minutes
[21:45] <sabdfl> RainCT: i think it better to ask folks to become members
[21:45] <Technoviking> i think we are done
[21:45]  * sabdfl also has to wrap up
[21:46] <Burgundavia> ok
[21:46] <Technoviking> thanks for coming everyone, see some of you next week at UDS
[21:46] <Burgundavia> so still on the agenda for next time is asia pacific board and the artwork guidelines?
[21:46] <Burgundavia> ugh, exam week
[21:46] <Burgundavia> have fun
[21:47] <nizarus> thx all folks
[21:48] <sabdfl> thanks folks!
[21:48] <Technoviking> later all
[21:48] <sabdfl> Burgundavia: +1
[21:48] <sabdfl> Burgundavia: just say "the CC will review in April 2009"
[21:48] <nizarus> sabdfl, waiting for you in Tunisia some days ;-)
[21:49] <MaWaLe> +1 nizarus
[21:49] <sabdfl> nizarus: heh, i would like to come, enjoyed WSIS
[21:50] <nizarus> :)
[21:50] <james_w> WSIS was cool
[21:50] <nizarus> i think we will not have a nex WSIS before 2099 :))
[21:50] <nizarus> nex/new
[21:51] <hatemsh> unfortunatly we orgnise the wsis+3 event
[21:51] <hatemsh> some day ago
[21:51] <hatemsh> in hammamet
[21:52] <hatemsh> james_w,  hope to meet you in the wsis+4
[21:52] <james_w> I'd love to return
[21:52] <hatemsh> you are welcome
[21:53] <hatemsh> in any event and without event
[21:53] <hatemsh> :)
[21:53] <james_w> unfortunately I'm not in that line of work anymore, but you never know :-)
[21:53] <wrtpeeps> somebody call me when this starts
[21:54] <nizarus> james_w, hatemsh gives you an open invitation to visit us so just oing us :)
[21:54] <james_w> excellent :-)
[21:54] <wrtpeeps> oh wait
[21:54] <wrtpeeps> another hour to go
[21:55] <nizarus> it s avilebal for boredandblogging too :p
[21:56] <boredandblogging> nizarus: someday :)
[21:56] <MaWaLe> infact the invitation is available for all ubuntero : it's an open source invitation :p
[22:00] <Burgundavia> guys if you want to talk about the tunisian event, can you move to another channel?
[22:00] <Burgundavia> keeps the logs clear
[22:01] <hatemsh> Burgundavia,  ok
[22:01] <nizarus> sorry Burgundavia we are talking about on #ubuntu-tn
[22:01] <Burgundavia> no worries
[23:00] <Technoviking> hello all
[23:01] <nand> hello
[23:01] <Technoviking> any other FC people here
[23:01] <forumsmatthew> hello
[23:01] <wrtpeeps> hi
[23:02] <Technoviking> Lets give people a couple more minutes
[23:02] <wrtpeeps> Joeb454: :o
[23:02] <Joeb454> ?
[23:03] <forumsmatthew> I am pretty sure ubuntu-geek is driving home atm and will arrive soon
[23:03] <Technoviking> ok
[23:03] <Technoviking> any word from jdong or kiwi
[23:03] <forumsmatthew> I haven't heard from either, but will start pinging
[23:04] <wrtpeeps> how long to these shows generally last?
[23:05] <Joeb454> 8 hours
[23:05] <Technoviking> hourish, usually less
[23:06] <wrtpeeps> gawd
[23:06] <Technoviking> wrtpeeps: problem?
[23:07] <wrtpeeps> newp
[23:09] <Technoviking> Well, we can start but, we will not be able to ote on anything till we get one more FC person for a quoram
[23:10] <forumsmatthew> I would rather wait than have to repeat stuff when others arrive
[23:11] <nand> so do I
[23:12] <forumsmatthew> okay, let's give them a few minutes. I've contacted the missing people. Hopefully they just forgot and are close to their computers and not in the middle of dealing with unexpected problems
[23:13] <stgraber> forumsmatthew: "unexpected problems" ? does that ever happen ?
[23:13] <forumsmatthew> stgraber, lol :)
[23:14] <Joeb454> well there was that one time jdong walked in........no nevermind ;)
[23:18] <Technoviking> hmmm
[23:18] <Technoviking> looks like we are it forumsmatthew
[23:18] <forumsmatthew> Yeah. Bummer.
[23:19] <forumsmatthew> I think we need to reschedule
[23:19] <Technoviking> would people mind delaying a week or so
[23:19] <nand> I guess we have no choice. After UDS then?
[23:20] <forumsmatthew> I think so. We will look at the schedule and get something up asap
[23:20] <nand> okay
[23:20]  * nand is falling asleep
[23:21] <nand> good night all!
[23:21] <forumsmatthew> I'll send an email to the FC mailing list and get the reschedule started and we will post the new date on the wiki
[23:21] <forumsmatthew> night, nand
[23:21] <Technoviking> ok, sorry about that folks, if you have any immediate problem, send them to the forums council mailing list
[23:23] <forumsmatthew> the email has been sent. we will work to get a new meeting time on the wiki soon
[23:23] <forumsmatthew> bye, everyone!


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[01:38] <Newk> maybe not the right place to ask: i made a bootable stick with unetbootin of lubuntu 16.04... now i gave it 1gig of extra space to save things... are updates to that system being saved additional or are those taking the place of the older ones? i hope the lather.. otherwise it would take unescesarry space and perhaps even boottime?
[01:39] <teward> Newk: so you created the USB stick with persistence?
[01:42] <Newk> yes
[01:42] <Newk> i think so
[01:43] <Newk> in unetbootin there was an option to add space for saving across sessions
[01:43] <Newk> or is this something else?
[01:56] <teward> that's persistence, yes.
[01:57] <teward> Newk: as I understand persistence, and I may be wrong, any differences from the live filesystem are stored on the persistence you set up - that means things get saved there, updates, etc. at least AIUI
[01:57] <teward> but that may have changed
[02:09] <Newk> i hope they changed that for updates... otherwise it would need to update itself upon boottime everytime
[02:10] <Newk> or at least move paths to the updates in persistence folder.. and the old packages just sit there and take space
[02:11] <teward> it's been a while since I messed with persistence so eh
[02:12] <Newk> you just use usb to install it on several machines and update from there? i guess thats the general idea... then we might need a way to update iso's to current packages
[02:14] <teward> well, most of my systems are virtualized, so... I just don't bother with persistence, VPN into my network and use remote desktop or such to reach into my Linux systems.  Usually from another Linux system.
[02:14] <Newk> i guess once they have a working iso they are happy enough and only change it when something really is broken (like no working wifi or the likes)
[02:14] <Newk> ah
[02:16] <Newk> hmm.. the updating of packages on the live-usb just failed.. not enough space
[02:18] <Newk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1872303
[02:18] <Newk> aha!
[03:49] <Jbmorris289> Hello.
[03:49] <Jbmorris289> Nothing to be said at the moment
[05:16] <swift110-phone> hey
[09:28] <username_> I have one question.
[17:34] <n-iCe> hi
[17:49] <NSABear> Hey
[17:49] <NSABear> How do I dist-upgrade?
[17:50] <NSABear> I'm on 14.04
[17:50] <NSABear> Dist-upgrade merely upgraded 14.04
[17:53] <lynorian> NSABear, dist-upgrade is supposed to do that
[17:54] <NSABear> it didn't.
[17:54] <NSABear> I'm doing update-manager -d
[18:00] <NSABear> lynorian, 16.04 is still in dev?
[18:00] <lynorian> no but upgrading from 14.04 is not supported until july for .1
[18:01] <NSABear> The update window said it is
[18:01] <lynorian> that is because you ran -d
[18:02] <NSABear> crap
[18:02] <lynorian> the text on the window is not perfect
[18:02] <NSABear> So will I be ok with the upgrade
[18:02] <NSABear> using -d
[18:08] <NSABear> I'm going t odo a fresh install
[18:08] <NSABear> I have a broken package installed
[18:09] <NSABear> How do I switch over to the AMD Proprietary drivers?
[18:10] <teward> NSABear: what Lubuntu version?
[18:10] <teward> 14.04?  16.04?
[18:11] <NSABear> yea
[18:11] <NSABear> what else would I do?
[18:13] <teward> NSABear: there are no proprietary drivers for AMD in 16.04
[18:13] <teward> AMD has killed it off and is now giving effort to the OpenSource ones
[18:14] <teward> if that doesn't work for you, 14.04 is what you'll need to use
[18:14] <teward> this isn't Lubuntu-centric either
[18:14] <NSABear> oh no the Opensource are amazing
[18:14] <NSABear> Like jesus christ they are amazing
[18:14] <NSABear> I was just hoping to use the proprietary to get a bit more performance
[18:14] <teward> NSABear: you can't because there are no more proprietary ones
[18:14] <NSABear> yes, I know
[18:15] <NSABear> You said that. I was saying why I was going to use them
[18:15] <teward> ok
[18:15] <teward> well, enjoy :)
[18:15] <teward> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#fglrx if oyu're curious on the specifics
[18:15] <NSABear> I'm doing the upgrade because I want Obs studio
[18:22] <NSABear> So would I be ok dd'ing the iso to my usb
[21:15] <Jbmorris289> Quick question
[21:16] <Jbmorris289> Can panel applets in xfce work in lubuntu
[21:16] <Jbmorris289> ?