[03:49] <jbermudes> Is anyone here in the MOTU team? epikvision came to our Pasadena Ubuntu Hour yesterday wanting to learn how to contribute back to Ubuntu and expressed interest in MOTU
[03:50] <jbermudes> He's a really cool guy who wants to help out in any way he can with Ubuntu, so be nice :)
[03:50] <epikvision> Haha
[03:57] <pleia2> broder is core dev, but he's been very busy lately
[03:58] <pleia2> http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2012/02/new-ubuntu-developers-in-the-making/ is a nice post from today about getting involved with dev :)
[05:05] <broder> huh what?
[05:06] <broder> ah. hey epikvision
[05:06] <epikvision> Hello!
[05:06] <broder> yeah, i've always felt that our answers for "what to work on" have been rather lackluster
[05:06] <broder> but i think the "scratch your own itch" approach is definitely the best
[05:07] <broder> can you think of any bugs that are affecting you personally?
[05:07] <epikvision> How do we identify them?
[05:07] <epikvision> At the moment, not much.
[05:10] <broder> ok. well, if you think of anything, that's almost always the most rewarding thing to work on
[05:10] <akk> I'm not sure just picking any random bug is the right approach. You need something where active maintainers are interested in getting patches.
[05:11] <broder> that certainly helps, but i think that an active ubuntu community can mediate that some, and being able to directly see the effects of your contribution is powerful
[05:12] <akk> Last time I submitted a patch it took 18 months to get anyone to look at it
[05:12] <epikvision> Im slightly confused.
[05:12] <akk> and then only because a friend took pity on me and wrote a script to turn it into the right kind of debdiff
[05:12] <epikvision> Wow. That is a pain.
[05:13] <broder> turn it into the right kind of debdiff> that's a different class of problem
[05:13] <akk> It turned out to be needed to get anyone to consider the patch.
[05:14] <akk> And there were 3 different types of debdiff and it wasn't obvious which one -- I wasted a full day on one only to be told it was the wrong type.
[05:15] <broder> well, it sounds like you took the long way around. the shorter way, which i believe all of our documentation covers, is to subscribe the ubuntu-sponsors team
[05:15] <akk> (I did a bzr-based thing that the packaging guide implied was the right thing to do)
[05:16] <akk> I was told in the bug "a debdiff is necessary if you want a sponsor"
[05:16] <epikvision> So broder, where can i find more info in being a help to developers like yourself?
[05:17] <broder> akk: then you got a crappy sponsor. i sponsor non-debdiffs from the sponsor queue
[05:17] <epikvision> I wanted to start as newbie packager.
[05:17] <akk> Things may have improved since then. That was a bit over 2 years ago.
[05:17] <broder> i think they generally have
[05:18] <akk> patch piloting and such are a great step forward -- there wasn't anything like that then
[05:19] <broder> epikvision: well, definitely stop by #ubuntu-motu and see what other people recommend
[05:20] <broder> daniel's big project has been harvest.ubuntu.com, which collects lists of bugs that meet certain criteria
[05:20] <broder> let's see...some of them are better than others
[05:20] <broder> bitesize is supposed to be the sort of thing you're looking for, but it can be hit or miss
[05:21] <epikvision> Alright, ill get started.  Thank you sir!
[18:01] <MarkDude> Akk was saying the cali channel is set to invite only
[18:03] <akk> When I tried to join about 10 min ago, I got kicked off with a message, "invite-only channel".
[18:03] <MarkDude> :)
[18:04] <MarkDude> Help join the Open Source revolution, ONLY if you are invited tho :)
[18:08] <pleia2> did you try to join #ubuntu-california rather than #ubuntu-us-ca
[18:09] <pleia2> ?
[18:09] <akk> Checking my xchat settings ...
[18:09] <pleia2> if you join them both  you'll get an invite error on -california
[18:09] <pleia2> hmm, #ubuntu-california forward seems to work ok though
[18:10] <akk> Yes! xchat was still set to -california
[18:10] <akk> though I didn't try to join both, only -california (and that works, most days)
[18:10] <akk> but now I've changed it to -us-ca
[18:10] <pleia2> maybe the server was just being wonky
[18:10] <pleia2> seems to work ok now
[18:10] <akk> I've seen it once before, a few months ago. And that time it persisted for an hour or two.
[18:10] <akk> But this time, I retried in 10 min and got in.
[18:11] <akk> I guess freenode has some weirdness with the name redirect.
[18:11] <pleia2> yeah
[18:38] <cjohnston> Greetings.. now from LA
[18:40] <akk> greetings, cjohnston
[18:50] <philipballew> la, thats a nice place
[18:52] <cjohnston> I have family and friends down here that I'm visiting
[19:17] <philipballew> I was there 3 weeks ago. Good area
[19:17] <MarkDude> Well minus the smog
[19:18]  * MarkDude was just there for Scale. Would like to move to Venice Beach
[19:18] <philipballew> thankfully the smog had not invaded the Hilton
[19:18] <MarkDude> Yes it did :D
[19:18] <MarkDude> We were not only in smog, we have airport next door for extra fumes - lol
[19:19]  * MarkDude likes *visiting* LA
[19:29] <akk> I like LA, but not the area around LAX.