[04:37] <mojo> saif: hang on got a interesting link for you on 23....
[04:37] <saif> mojo: hangin on
[04:38] <altan> however, the The Scientific and Technical Research Council of Turkey, which is tied to the government, released a national Linux distribution recently
[04:38] <altan> so I wonder how that will affect what's going on
[04:39] <saif> altan: cool, here in jordan they decided to run all school computers on linux, i donno which distro though
[04:39] <saif> so all the kids will know how to use linux
[04:39] <saif> in 10-15 years, hopefully linux will prevail!
[04:40] <mojo> saif: http://www.empirenet.com/~dljones/ is on 42, http://www.spiralnature.com/spirituality/discordianism/about23.html is long one on 23
[04:40] <mojo> saif: red pill or blue? LOL
[04:41] <mojo> saif: keep thinking like that.... for a a vision to be manifest it must first be envisioned!
[04:41] <saif> mojo: will go and start reading! nice talkin to u! will probably c u here sometime,  or on another frequency! :)
[04:42] <flosch> hi
[04:42] <mojo> saif: later
[04:43] <proximity> so has anyone got an nforce system?
[04:43] <mojo> prox: nforce3-250 (MSI K8N Neo-2 Platinum mobo)
[04:44] <bretzel> Missing GLCore, unresolved symbols in: libspeedo; libfb; and libdri  (nvidia-glx) any hints how to install those modules correctly ??
[04:44] <sgtshatta> bretzel: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:45] <bretzel> stgshatta: I cna't tell how many times I did this: remove nvidia-glx, intall nvidia-glx, and nvidia-glx-config enable ; --- no luck
[04:46] <LinuxJones> bretzel, you running hoary ?
[04:46] <Slaven> bretzel: using xorg?
[04:46] <bretzel> Linuxjones : yes and I read that it is normally working well without errors with hoary
[04:46] <bretzel> Slaven: yes
[04:47] <Slaven> well, I'm probably just bitter.
[04:47] <LinuxJones> bretzel, Not for me either I had exactly the same problem with a GF5200 graphics card
[04:47] <Slaven> but xorg+nvidia never worked for me.
[04:47] <Slaven> using GFXF5700LE
[04:47] <Slaven> FX even
[04:48] <LinuxJones> Slaven, I need a game of Quake3 :(
[04:48] <bretzel> Slaven, Linuxjone: I do have FX 5200, but works well with Mandrake; Ubuntu warty(xfree86 4.3) -
[04:48] <LinuxJones> bretzel, I think I will just go back to Warty, and wait till new nvidia drivers come out
[04:49] <bretzel> LinuxJones: But it is modules related - seems not hardware related ...
[04:49] <LinuxJones> bretzel, It's nvidia driver problem for sure
[04:49] <Slaven> bretzel: anything xfree86+nvidia works well here too.
[04:50] <bretzel> I did run xorg with nvidia ( with Mandrake 10.1 -- ) and espaecially LLGP ( live linux game CD ) with nvidia + xorg which orks very well tho
[04:50] <Slaven> hm
[04:50] <LinuxJones> Maybe I will try removing xorg and trying xserver-xfree86 with Hoary to see if it makes any difference :(
[04:50] <Slaven> well, I *did* try to install XFree86 from an old package-CD on Gentoo and that didn't work either.
[04:50] <LinuxJones> It probalby won't make any difference tho :(
[04:50] <Stuttergart> What comes after Hoary?
[04:51] <LinuxJones> Stuttergart, Grumpy Groundhog ?
[04:51] <Stuttergart> ah
[04:51] <LinuxJones> The release names are ghetto
[04:52] <Stuttergart> I had a friend who works at a christian school who was asking if it was going to be something like "Slutty the Skunk" that would cause problems for his rollout. ;)
[04:52] <bretzel> Wait: is FX5400 exists ?
[04:52] <zenwhen> no
[04:53] <LinuxJones> bbiab
[04:54] <saif> i am back
[04:54] <saif> with a big problem!
[04:54] <mojo> the linux mascott is a penguin.... cutsie.... but admtdly not as cutsie as grumpy groundhogs and warty warthogs
[04:54] <saif> i installed ubuntu on the 3rd machine,
[04:55] <saif> and now, when i restarted,
[04:55] <saif> ubuntu starts
[04:55] <saif> but in terminal mode
[04:55] <saif> it asks me for the login
[04:55] <saif> how do i get X to start,??
[04:56] <altan> saif: startx after you login
[04:56] <saif> altan: command not found
[04:56] <firstknight> does Canotical get profit with this ubuntu??? anyone buy commercial support from canotical?
[04:56] <altan> are you logged in to the terminal saif?
[04:56] <bretzel> saif: that raises a question about apt-get: as soon as there is error on a pkg, it stops installing and finalizing the other pkgs... bug or feature ?
[04:57] <saif> altan: yes
[04:57] <Tux-Rox> bretzel, bug, for sure.....
[04:57] <altan> bretzel: I'd say "feature" in the sense that it's something I'd personally like to know about
[04:57] <saif> bretzel: well, it said the installation was successful!
[04:57] <altan> saif: echo "exec gnome-session" > .xinitrc
[04:58] <saif> nothin happened
[04:59] <altan> saif, try startx after you do that
[04:59] <saif> i did
[04:59] <bretzel> that happened yesterday with a faulty pkg ( libmp4ff or something ) and stopped the process: there were full of xorg and other pkgs  finalize but I had to fix the "broken pkg" with synaptic before apt-get continues with the rest of the up-to-date
[04:59] <saif> command not found
[05:00] <altan> hmm. uh, try "whereis X"
[05:00] <Anubis> which channel is the forum or help channel please?
[05:00] <bretzel> saif: That is why I talk about the apt-get behaviour: may be xwindow was not installed/configured after an error
[05:00] <saif> /usr/X11R6/bin/X /usr/bin/X11/X
[05:01] <saif> bretzel: i guess it is installed! and what error could have occired?!? i installed from the cd!
[05:01] <altan> saif: try xorgconfig and then try /usr/X11R6/bin/X
[05:01] <mojo> saif: does it try to load the xserver at all?  Check in /var/log/XFree86.0.log for some clues on why it failed (if it even tried)
[05:02] <saif> how do i open the log?!
[05:02] <saif> xorgconfig command not found!
[05:02] <altan> hmm.
[05:02] <mojo> saif: less, more
[05:02] <altan> did you try to start /usr/X11R6/bin/X manualy?
[05:02] <mojo> saif: the progs not found may be nonextant or jst notin ur path
[05:02] <altan> (just enter that)
[05:03] <KonvIRC_> ma che posto strano...
[05:03] <saif> mojo: the file does not exist!
[05:03] <saif> altan: nop
[05:03] <Katerpillar> hola
[05:03] <altan> what happens when you do that saif?
[05:03] <mojo> saif: more /path/to/file reads files, pages them.  less /path/to/file is more.  less is more, but (supposedly) a better more
[05:03] <proximity> my nforce board by default with ubuntu doesnt have mixing, do i need to download the official drivers?
[05:04] <mojo> proximity, mixing???
[05:04] <proximity> yeh like two sounds at once
[05:04] <proximity> it will only play one
[05:04] <saif> mojo: the file does not exist,
[05:04] <saif> altan: running the command u gave me did somethn
[05:04] <mojo> prox ... hmm i get music and system sounds and stuff all at once thru either mobo sound or audigy-2-zs
[05:05] <saif> altan: it showed a screen, with a mouse pointer ( X ) and nothin else!
[05:05] <mojo> mobo is realtek/AC97/crapola
[05:05] <proximity> hmm
[05:05] <t31> im trying to download the w32codecs from nerim's ftp, and goes quite slow, anyone knows how to skip the data socket time out?
[05:05] <proximity> it says mine is using the intel8x0 driver or something
[05:05] <altan> saif: only thing I can think of short of a reinstall would be apt-get remove xserver-xfree86 && apt-get remove xfree86-common      and then apt-get install xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xfree86-common
[05:05] <mojo> saif, bet you don't have a /etc/X11 directory then, or /usr/X11R6, do you???
[05:06] <mojo> saif: what atlan said.
[05:07] <saif> mojo: i do have the directory X11
[05:07] <altan> mojo: he does have it, <saif> /usr/X11R6/bin/X /usr/bin/X11/X
[05:07] <proximity> also xine wont download from the repositries
[05:07] <proximity> so i cant play dvds
[05:07] <saif> so, should i re0install free86?
[05:07] <mojo> saif, try the remove / install per atlan
[05:07] <proximity> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xine-lib/libxine1_1-rc5-1ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
[05:07] <proximity>   Bad header line
[05:08] <mojo> saif, j/c but what hardware is this 'third' box anywya/
[05:08] <mojo> ?
[05:08] <Steve> my ubuntu install is ignoring the domains in my search line in /etc/resolv.conf, suggestions?
[05:08] <saif> it's AMD 2000+
[05:08] <mojo> graphics
[05:08] <saif> motherboard is soltek
[05:08] <goldfish> emm... n00b question here :) I'm trying to install azureus, what version do i get? There is linux gtk, linux motif etc....
[05:08] <saif> gforce4
[05:08] <altan> goldfish: gtk
[05:08] <goldfish> altan: thanks
[05:09] <saif> i had installed ubuntu on it once before ( first time i tried it was on this machine )
[05:09] <saif> strange it didn't work now!
[05:09] <mojo> saif: yes, strange.  sounds like sumthin snarfed 4 sure
[05:09] <larsrohdin> excuse me.. but is half-life 2 and Steam, linux-compatible?
[05:09] <Katerpillar> lars .. you play hl2?
[05:10] <larsrohdin> Katerpillar, well... yeah?
[05:10] <Katerpillar> nice..
[05:10] <larsrohdin> hehe, but can i play it in linux, I mean without wine or cedega?
[05:11] <saif> mojo: :(
[05:11] <confrey> hi everybody
[05:11] <saif> unable to unlock the administration directory permission denied!
[05:11] <saif> i used sudo though
[05:12] <[m0rph] > hi, does nautilus-cd-burner work for anyone here?
[05:12] <larsrohdin> Katerpillar, do you know if its possible?
[05:12] <Steve> larsrohdin: its's win32 only, not even mac
[05:12] <larsrohdin> lame=)
[05:12] <confrey> I have installed kino, but I can't use it, because I haven't the raw1394 in /dev, what can I do?
[05:12] <Steve> nautilus-cd-burner works OK for me
[05:12] <cutterjohn> Steve: annoying that is, esp. since hl mac port was finished, but not released...
[05:12] <Rocha> Hello
[05:13] <Rocha> I there anyway I can copy a cd-audio in gnome?
[05:13] <Rocha> (with gnome programs)
[05:13] <Steve> is /etc/resolv.conf the right place to configure the resolver on ubuntu?
[05:13] <saif> stupid me! i actually typed in to command line apt-get ... && apt-get ...
[05:13] <larsrohdin> yeah it sucks bad ass... hate it... I want to be able to play a game once in a while without having to reboot and use windows...
[05:13] <mojo> saif: it's a copout but maybe just re-do tha install since you only just did it anyway...?
[05:13] <altan> <[m0rph] > hi, does nautilus-cd-burner work for anyone here? <--- I have had problems with nautilus-cd-burner in the past, it was due to some permissions
[05:13] <saif> that is y it couldn't lock
[05:13] <cutterjohn> Lars, did you play hl TFC?
[05:13] <[m0rph] > Rocha: graveman should work
[05:13] <altan> it was a long time ago so I don't remember how I fixed it
[05:14] <mojo> LOL
[05:14] <Rocha> [m0rph] , ok, i'll check that
[05:14] <saif> well, it's working fine for me,
[05:14] <saif> don't remeber i had to do anything!
[05:14] <[m0rph] > altan: did it say that you should insert a cd when there was already one?
[05:15] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, actually, I just got hl2, and im saving my money to buy a geforce 6800 GT, so i just play CSS and halflife source... otherwise i don't know if my computer would survive=)
[05:15] <larsrohdin> probably my poor radeon 9200se would say POOOFFF!!!=)
[05:15] <cutterjohn> :)  CS is supposed to be better now...  I used to play hl TFC at Frenchys Pit alot...
[05:16] <hizz> hello
[05:16] <altan> <[m0rph] > altan: did it say that you should insert a cd when there was already one? <--- yes
[05:16] <Rocha> [m0rph] , in which repository is graveman?
[05:16] <saif> guys,
[05:16] <larsrohdin> yeah, i never liked the old cs, it was both boring and ugly=) but CSS is bad ass
[05:16] <saif> another problem,
[05:16] <hizz> you guys know how i can associate mp3's with xmms permanently?
[05:16] <saif>  i had it once before, but i lost the paper that has info on how to solve it
[05:16] <saif> it's kernel 2.6 bug
[05:16] <cutterjohn> DoD was good too, I hope both TFC & DoD get ported to hl2...
[05:17] <[m0rph] > Rocha: oh, it's in hoary universe
[05:17] <saif> windows would not start!
[05:17] <Rocha> [m0rph] , forget about it, there are ubuntu packages on the website
[05:17] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, have you tried garrys mod? fun as hell
[05:17] <saif> somethn with the patrition tables,
[05:17] <saif> i remember there was a command the fixes it!
[05:17] <klaym> have you tried cs_sauna? or csde_nokia?
[05:17] <cutterjohn> lars, no, I just used to play with the gang at Frenchys which mostly ran low-grav TFC(neo) and DoD...
[05:18] <larsrohdin> saif, maybe fix mbr?
[05:18] <[m0rph] > hizz: right click on an mp3, and then add xmms as default program
[05:18] <saif> that is a windows command,
[05:18] <saif> windows it not running,
[05:18] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, ok you should try it
[05:18] <cutterjohn> lars, ...and ocassionalloy on other servers...
[05:18] <saif> fix mbr will destroy grub
[05:18] <hizz> ah ok, thanks m0rph
[05:19] <mojo> saif, right-click on an mp3-file, pull up properties.  go to "open with" tab and you'll see all the known "open with" options.  dbl-clickon the xmms one to make i the default
[05:19] <saif> it's a long command, :) somethn that gets the layout of the partition tables, and saves them to a file!
[05:19] <MaxeyPad> so I gather the livecd is broken pretty badly based on the topic?
[05:19] <cutterjohn> Lars, what is garrys mod like?  (I've actually never heard of it...)
[05:19] <saif> mojo: Thanx,
[05:19] <saif> mojo: hehe, i donno y u told me that though!
[05:19] <housetier> saif, the package ms-sys might be able to help you fix the mbr
[05:20] <cutterjohn> Lars, and I'll first need to upgrade hl to $^&$*^#&*$(*#^T*&!!!! steam. #&^$&*$&*(&^(*!!!!
[05:20] <altan> scripting wizards, I need something that will recursively move any non-mp3 file in a directory to another directory
[05:20] <MaxeyPad> I'm using the ubuntu livecd, is it possible to install mp3 support while the cd is running?
[05:20] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, it lets you really play with the grapichs engine... you can spawn any thing, dead or alive from hl2... and move em around and take a picture of it=) you can even change their face expressions
[05:20] <housetier> saif, also check the package "mbr"
[05:20] <mojo> saif, um, i was answering hizz... SRY!  I am getting all sleepy (been up all night settin 'puter up)
[05:21] <saif> housetier: nop, i'll go check on www if i find it!
[05:21] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, yeah stem sucks to=)
[05:21] <mojo> hizz,your answer was back a couple posts ago by me
[05:21] <cutterjohn> lars, ah I thought that you were talking about original hl.. I havent gotten hl2 yet, as I want to see what shakes out with that POS steam...
[05:21] <housetier> saif, http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/
[05:21] <proximity> can anyone help me get totem to play dvds
[05:21] <mojo> lo...zzz...l
[05:21] <saif> mojo: hehe, i know the feeling!
[05:21] <housetier> saif, those are packages in debian, I thought they might be available in ubuntu as well
[05:21] <psrwebs> I've just installed Ubuntu with <IP_ADDRESS>-4-k7-smp, but I can't find the source package for this in synaptic.  Where can I find it?
[05:21] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, oh ok! yeah steam is starnge... but i had to get the game anyway...
[05:22] <cutterjohn> lars, is the single player as good as the original?
[05:22] <mojo> saif: the temp in here is crazy too... musta left heater on too high... man it makes sleepy 10x worse...ugh
[05:22] <cutterjohn> BTW: there's an article linking to a review of the Hoary livecd on OSNEWS...
[05:22] <cutterjohn> ...bunch of comments...
[05:22] <saif> mojo: run kill heater
[05:23] <saif> mojo: then shutdown and sleep!
[05:23] <bretzel> proximity: get libdvdread;libdvdcss2 ?
[05:23] <saif> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! i just reinstalled xfree86, same problem!!
[05:24] <bretzel> proximity: ?
[05:25] <mojo> apt-get remove heater-overkill && apt-get install crack-window && ./run-fan.sh && smile | caffienatedsodapop
[05:25] <saif> reinstall ubuntu?!
[05:26] <mojo> sleep...yes... ttfn every-1 peace on men and goodwill towards earth 10-4 over n out >>/dev/sack
[05:26] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, haven't played single player that much yet, but from what i've heard and the little i've played it is really god...
[05:27] <saif> mojo: good night!
[05:27] <saif> too late!
[05:28] <cutterjohn> lars, I'll probably get around to buying hl2 when a) I upgrade my current x86 system, and b) TFC & DoD come out for it...  (I never cared for CS...)
[05:28] <klaym> you can still send him a prayer ;)
[05:28] <cutterjohn> lars, then ill try garrys' mod...
[05:29] <goldfish> Hi there, I have been looking at the ubuntuguide but i can't seem to find anything about setting up sound, I get this error when I try to play a music file with xmms, can anyone help?
[05:29] <linuxboy> is it possible to install Xorg on Warty??
[05:29] <goldfish> ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory
[05:29] <altan> goldfish: what is your sound card?
[05:29] <goldfish> emm...
[05:29] <linuxboy> goldfish: whats the error?
[05:29] <linuxboy> oic
[05:30] <linuxboy> goldfish: change the output to libASLA
[05:30] <goldfish> altan: I don't know :/
[05:30] <goldfish> linuxboy: How do I do that? :) (complete nix n00b)
[05:31] <ewhitten> you guys talking about gstreamer?
[05:31] <goldfish> eh..
[05:31] <goldfish> xmms
[05:31] <ewhitten> ahh.
[05:32] <goldfish> I was wondering how to set up my sound? I am completely new to linux.
[05:32] <saif> how do i get the personal security manager in order for mozilla to run normally?
[05:33] <souki> goldfish: do you have the ubuntu sound at startup (gnome) ?
[05:33] <ewhitten> saif:  mozilla-psm package
[05:33] <goldfish> souki: nope
[05:33] <ewhitten> saif:  make sure you have that installed.
[05:33] <souki> goldfish: try Menu/Multimedia/Volume-Control
[05:33] <david> hello everyone
[05:34] <david> I was wondering what the package management scheme was in ubuntu....
[05:34] <saif> ewhhitten: installing now!
[05:34] <proximity> bretzel
[05:34] <david> is it the debian system?
[05:34] <proximity> neither of those packages exist
[05:34] <proximity> the dvd ones
[05:34] <goldfish> souki: No mixer elements and/or devices found.
[05:34] <souki> goldfish: ouch! your sound card wasn't detected
[05:35] <david> whats the package management in ubuntu??? based on RPM?
[05:35] <hizz> .deb
[05:35] <goldfish> souki: ah jeez :/
[05:35] <hizz> apt-get
[05:35] <david> devian
[05:35] <saif> goldfish: notnecessarily
[05:35] <david> cool
[05:35] <hizz> goldfish are you on a laptop or something?
[05:35] <david> thanks
[05:35] <souki> goldfish: do you know which sound card is on your system ?
[05:35] <goldfish> I am yes.
[05:35] <hizz> that happened to me yesterday
[05:35] <hizz> ACPI
[05:35] <hizz> ?
[05:35] <saif> goldfish: i had a problem like that once, fixed it by using a differnt think, i think i had to switch to alsa
[05:35] <goldfish> emm.. i think it's eh sigmatel or something?
[05:36] <hizz> is it a dell?
[05:36] <goldfish> yep Dell 8600 Inspiron
[05:36] <hizz> aha
[05:36] <hizz> i have an inspiron 500m
[05:36] <hizz> what you gotta do
[05:36] <hizz> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.list
[05:36] <hizz> then add "acpi=noirq" to your kernel parameters
[05:36] <hizz> that should fix it
[05:37] <hizz> also fixes nonworking wifi =)
[05:37] <souki> hizz: I'm wondering if it could fiw my suspen problem too :)
[05:37] <goldfish> emm.../boot/grub/menu.list seems to be empty ?
[05:38] <hizz> should read
[05:38] <hizz> menu.lst
[05:38] <hizz> sorry
[05:38] <goldfish> ah
[05:39] <goldfish> hizz: do i add it in after like, ro quiet splash ?
[05:39] <hizz> i just put it at the back
[05:39] <hizz> behind splash
[05:39] <souki> goldfish: you can put the new option in "nonaltoptions=.." so you can keep it when upgrading the kernel
[05:39] <hizz> good idea, i loaded up the i686 today and forgot about that so i spent 30 minutes pissed off at the wifi again =)
[05:39] <souki> goldfish: and then: update-grub
[05:40] <goldfish> emm..
[05:40] <hizz> souki is it supposed to be commented out?
[05:40] <souki> hizz: no, ot is   a comment handled by update-grub
[05:41] <hizz> ok so i uncomment it
[05:41] <souki> hizz: no keep it commented
[05:41] <goldfish> souki: Do I put it in both places so?
[05:41] <goldfish> as a parameter and in nonaltoptions ?
[05:42] <souki> goldfish: no need, you have to type "sudo update-grub"
[05:42] <souki> goldfish: it is a magic line
[05:42] <hizz> lol
[05:42] <goldfish> ok, i'll give it a go :)
[05:42] <goldfish> thanks for your help souki & hizz
[05:42] <psrwebs> Hi:  does anyone know where I can get the kernel sources for the 2.6.8 kernels that seem to be the standard 2.6 kernel?  There's no mention that I can see of them in the list that synaptic produces
[05:43] <hizz> np
[05:43] <ago73> Hi
[05:44] <stuNNed> hi ago73
[05:44] <hizz> hi
[05:44] <ago73> My sound is not working on games/gaim (hoary), any idea?
[05:45] <bluefoxicy> put yourself in the sound group
[05:45] <bluefoxicy> audio
[05:48] <altan> how would I move stuff from a list of files? like, say I have test.mp3 in a file called filelist.txt and I want to mv (contents of filelist.txt) /test
[05:48] <altan> I thought I knew how to do this :/
[05:48] <ago73> I am already in audio, but there is no sound group
[05:48] <ago73> bluefoxicy,  Shall I create one
[05:49] <altan> ago73: does sound work at all?
[05:49] <ago73> yes
[05:49] <hizz> souki are you still around?
[05:49] <ago73> It works for normal desktop events and for the music player
[05:49] <Tux-Rox> Anyone know of a mail notification applet that works with Evolution Data Server so that I know when I get a new email on the Exchange server?
[05:50] <souki> altan: with sed maybe
[05:51] <ago73> There is some comment here suggesting to change esd.conf (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats)
[05:51] <souki> altan: something like: sed -e 's/^\(.*\)$/mv \1 newdir/' files.list
[05:51] <altan> I guess I should read up on sed before I try that
[05:51] <ago73> But I cannot see any -d default in the spawn_options
[05:52] <souki> altan: it just print the command, you have to pipe the result into bash
[05:54] <altan> souki: I just did    mv `cat listoffiles.txt` /directory    and it works
[05:54] <goldfish> hi guys
[05:54] <goldfish> i added that stuff
[05:54] <souki> altan: great, but its limited in length I think
[05:54] <goldfish> and did update-grub
[05:54] <altan> it is?
[05:54] <goldfish> but i still get errors?
[05:55] <hizz> reboot
[05:55] <souki> altan: yes, I don't remember exactly but the command line is limited in length
[05:55] <goldfish> hizz: :)
[05:55] <goldfish> Shudda thought of that :)
[05:55] <goldfish> thanks
[05:55] <hizz> =)
[05:55] <hizz> cya in a bit ;)
[05:56] <souki> altan: for a big list of file, there is the xargs command
[05:56] <srid> i have a .swf file .. is there anyother better way to play it than loading it in HTML?
[05:57] <hizz> opening it in firefox won't work?
[05:57] <Cindux> oy
[06:00] <Halo> Hello
[06:00] <Halo> I'm having me some wireless issues :(
[06:00] <goldfish> oh that reminds me
[06:00] <goldfish> hizz: Have u got a dell internal wireless card?
[06:01] <Halo> I think that would actually be intel's card any how
[06:01] <Halo> it's part of the centrino chipset
[06:01] <souki> srid: what about swf_player ?
[06:01] <ago73> I have a dell wireless and it is working
[06:01] <srid> souki, that sucks
[06:01] <ago73> Dell 9200 with intel ipw2200
[06:01] <srid> souki, firefox plays it fine
[06:01] <srid> i just want it standalone
[06:02] <hizz> i have intel's card
[06:02] <goldfish> k
[06:02] <Halo> this is a dell 8600... with an asus pcmcia
[06:02] <Halo> it uses the rt2500 chipset
[06:02] <hizz> ipw2100
[06:02] <Halo> I have the module compiled, and installed... yet I'm getting nothin
[06:02] <goldfish> i got a dell 8600, with the standard dell internal wireless card, how would i go about setting it up with ubuntu?
[06:02] <ago73> hizz do you have a probelm with ipw?
[06:02] <goldfish> Or will it work?
[06:02] <hizz> not anymore
[06:02] <Anubis> I'm really starting to like this!
[06:02] <Anubis> After only an hour
[06:02] <hizz> goldfish try searching the forums, you might need ndiswrapper
[06:03] <Halo> I don't know if intel has nix drivers or not
[06:03] <goldfish> hizz: okies
[06:03] <ago73> goldfish intel based ipw2200 works, not sure about dell ones.
[06:03] <ewhitten> Anubis:  first time on linux, or just ubuntu?
[06:03] <hizz> ago73: it was conflicting with ACPI irq-wise, but now its fine
[06:03] <souki> Halo: ipw2200 works
[06:03] <Pluk> there are open source drivers now for rt2500
[06:03] <hizz> how do i suspend this machine anyway
[06:03] <Pluk> http://www.bb-zone.com/misc/rt2500/
[06:03] <Halo> I know
[06:03] <Halo> I got those and compiled them
[06:04] <Halo> I've got it sort of kind of working... pretty much everything except for acctually connecting
[06:04] <ago73> hizz my prob was that it could not see my ethernet b44 so set it up eth0 then on reboot it saw the b44 and moved wireless to eth1
[06:04] <Halo> it even gets an ip from the router
[06:04] <hizz> oh
[06:04] <hizz> might be the same problem
[06:04] <goldfish> Are the internal dell cards rt2500 ?
[06:04] <Anubis> ewhitten, just Ubuntu
[06:04] <Halo> my wireless is set as ra0
[06:04] <Halo> no, this isn't internal
[06:04] <Halo> and it's an asus card
[06:04] <Halo> I didn't get the internal card with my laptop because I already had a wireless card :O
[06:04] <ewhitten> Anubis:  same here.  I switched a couple weeks ago, moved up to hoary the other day.  it absolutely rocks.
[06:05] <goldfish> ah right
[06:05] <Anubis> ewhitten, REALLY, I did not think Hoary was ready or availible yet
[06:05] <Halo> The internal dell cards are intel based, and others said they work fine with ubuntu
[06:05] <Anubis> I intsalled using the Warty install
[06:05] <Pluk> Halo, you get an ip but just not internet?
[06:05] <hizz> ago73: you could try adding "acpi=noirq" to the #noaltoptions line in menu.lst
[06:05] <Halo> Perhaps I'll order an internal :O
[06:05] <hizz> then update-grub then reboot
[06:05] <Anubis> how can I upgrade to Hoary?
[06:05] <Halo> Pluk, I've got a thread with all my details
[06:05] <hizz> might be worth a shot
[06:05] <Pluk> link?
[06:05] <ewhitten> Anubis:  it's still in beta.  if you want hoary, just change all the warty references in /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary
[06:05] <Halo> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144862
[06:05] <Halo> I'm pretty sure that's public
[06:05] <Pluk> ok checking
[06:06] <Halo> my last post is where I'm at
[06:06] <Halo> should be the last post in the thread still
[06:06] <ewhitten> Anubis:  then apt-get update ; apt-get -f dist-upgrade :)
[06:06] <ago73> hizz I had to disable b44 anyway since it was conflicting with dbus-1. Fixing /etc/network/interfaces was easy enough
[06:06] <ewhitten> you might have to do the upgrade a couple times to get everything.
[06:06] <Pluk> Halo, its not public
[06:06] <Halo> Pluk, it's still the last post in that thread
[06:06] <Anubis> wow
[06:06] <Jelte> hi all... it seems ubuntu works fine, but the 3d screensavers are extremely slow (1 or 2 frames a second) ... i think something might not be configured correctly, and tips on where to start looking?
[06:06] <Halo> dammit
[06:06] <Halo> wait
[06:06] <souki> ago73: ?? what is the relation between dbu-1 and b44 iface ???
[06:06] <Jelte> (oh and the fade out when logging off is similarly slow)
[06:06] <Halo> are you getting the huge annoying 'join now' thing?
[06:07] <hizz> oh right
[06:07] <Halo> because you can scroll past that
[06:07] <Anubis> ewhitten, I'm just adding new reposities now, and looking to get my nvidia drivers installed
[06:07] <Halo> it just takes up a whole page is all
[06:07] <ewhitten> Anubis:  need help with the nvidia part?  it's really easy.
[06:07] <LinuxJones> Jelte, you probably have to install the binary drivers for your videocard
[06:07] <ewhitten> i.e. you don't have to get them from nvidia's site and compile.
[06:07] <ago73> souki when /etc/init.d/dbus-1 would start and module b44 was loaded system would freeze
[06:07] <Anubis> ewhitten, Don't know if I need, but would like;)
[06:07] <Jelte> LinuxJones, ah.. nice one... can i do that with synaptic?
[06:07] <Pluk>  Special Message from Senor Lowtax
[06:07] <Pluk> Specified thread was not found in the live forums.
[06:07] <Pluk> Click here to try to view it in the archives.
[06:08] <Halo> Crap
[06:08] <Halo> ok, hang on
[06:08] <hizz> hm how do i best install flash?
[06:08] <ewhitten> Anubis:  just go to synaptic, find kernel-restricted-modules for your running kernel, and then install all the nvidia-glx packages
[06:08] <Halo> I'll upload it to my webspace
[06:08] <Halo> I'd post it here... but there's a lot there
[06:08] <ewhitten> hizz:  in firefox, go to a page that needs it and it should prompt you to install.
[06:08] <Pluk> you could try pastebin.com
[06:08] <LinuxJones> Jelte, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia
[06:08] <hizz> i just tried that, but it just says it needs blah shockwave, and nothing happens after
[06:09] <Jelte> LinuxJones, thanks!
[06:09] <LesleyB> hello
[06:09] <ewhitten> hizz:  so you need shockwave, not flash?
[06:09] <ago73> souki, see also HP compaq nx5000 http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[06:09] <saif> hizz:  $ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:09] <Anubis> ewhitten, can't be that easy?!?
[06:09] <ewhitten> Anubis:  you betcha. :)
[06:10] <Anubis> LOL
[06:10] <hizz> is the flashplayer installer from macromedia ok?
[06:10] <ewhitten> chances are pretty good that it will setup your X configuration and module autoloading as well.
[06:10] <Anubis> ewhitten, I don't have to edit my XFree conf file?
[06:10] <Halo> http://4inthemorn.com/temp/showthread.php.htm
[06:10] <Halo> Pluk
[06:10] <Halo> that should work fine
[06:10] <Anubis> WOW
[06:10] <Anubis> this I gotta see
[06:10] <saif> hizz: what u need is to play flash in ur browswer right?
[06:10] <hizz> yep
[06:10] <ewhitten> Anubis: if you've already edited it for something else, it might not work.  md5sum wouldn't match what ubuntu thinks it should be.
[06:11] <Halo> Pluk, does that load ok for you?
[06:11] <saif> well, just type  $ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:11] <hizz> ok thanks
[06:11] <Pluk> Halo, yeah checking now
[06:11] <Halo> ok, thanks
[06:11] <ago73> Anybody having sound working with gaims/gaim in hoary?
[06:11] <saif> hizz: emm, did u add the repositories?
[06:11] <ewhitten> ago73: yup.
[06:11] <Cindux> my sound works
[06:11] <Cindux> with gaim :d
[06:12] <hizz> universe?
[06:12] <Pluk> Halo, can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[06:12] <ewhitten> ago73:  you might have to change the gaim sound options from automatic to esd or arts, depending on what you're using.
[06:12] <ago73> ewhitten are u using esound? Did you mod esd.conf?
[06:12] <ewhitten> ago73:  nope.
[06:12] <Pluk> cuz i think its just a dns error
[06:12] <Halo> Pluk, the lights on the card arn't on
[06:12] <Halo> so it's not fully connected
[06:12] <ewhitten> ago73:  yes, I'm using esound, no I didn't modify the configuration
[06:12] <LinuxJones> LesleyB, >> http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/
[06:12] <ycco> http://tinyurl.com/437qh  <-- Could someone take a look at this, and tell me if they think it'd work well under Ubuntu or not?
[06:12] <Anubis> ewhitten, no I have not edited XFree for anything yet
[06:12] <ago73> ewhitten how do you get say tuxracer to play sounds?
[06:13] <LinuxJones> LesleyB, >> see ubuntu link on left
[06:13] <ewhitten> Anubis:  Then it should all just automagically work.  Just run it, then check your files to be sure.
[06:13] <saif> hizz: yes
[06:13] <Cindux> ezzo
[06:13] <ewhitten> I had some extra steps, because of my laptop 1600x1200 display.
[06:13] <Cindux> ycco*
[06:13] <LesleyB> yes LinuxJones
[06:13] <LesleyB> :)
[06:13] <Cindux> it would much cheaper to build it yourself
[06:13] <ewhitten> ago73:  I'm not sure, I don't really play tuxracer.  but WoW works fine. :)
[06:13] <LinuxJones> heh
[06:14] <Simira> help :)
[06:14] <LesleyB> I've just spent a day and a half solid with that
[06:14] <sebastian_> hi
[06:14] <Simira> I'm changing boot device, but get "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" on grub-install. What to do? (I'm running on lice-cd now
[06:14] <sebastian_> @alll
[06:14] <Pluk> light off should indicate an powered off devide
[06:14] <Pluk> but then you couldnt get an ip from dhcp
[06:14] <goldfish> I HAVE SOUND NOW!
[06:14] <shock> yey
[06:14] <LesleyB> finally worked out my silver Alcatel is rev 2 not rev 4 by looking up old posts I sent to the mailing list ooo about 14 months back when I got it up and running for Suse 8.2
[06:14] <Cindux> lol woo
[06:14] <ewhitten> goldfish:  yay
[06:14] <goldfish> Cool stuff.
[06:14] <goldfish> Thanks :)
[06:14] <Halo> Yeah... so I'm not terribly sure what's going on
[06:14] <Mutacion> graet news :)
[06:15] <Halo> I guess the ip could be from the first time I powered it up
[06:15] <ago73> ewhitten I got gaim to work, thx
[06:15] <Halo> but that time it doesn't get any activity lights
[06:15] <LesleyB> LinuxJones : so I think my firmware is now correct
[06:15] <Halo> just power
[06:15] <ewhitten> ago73: no problem.
[06:15] <ago73> goldfish what was your prob with audio?
[06:15] <LesleyB> LinuxJones : but I fail at LCP negotiations with the host
[06:15] <ewhitten> firmware loading on pcmcia devices can be a bit of a hassle. :(
[06:15] <ago73> ewhitten, what is wow?
[06:15] <goldfish> ago73: I had none.
[06:15] <sebastian_> is anybody here, who can tell me, why I can't join ROSETTA?
[06:15] <Bigglez> Anyone know about the 'wall' command? My ups uses it to signal me, but it doesn't appear on gnome desktop.
[06:15] <Anubis> ewhitten, o enable the driver, run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[06:15] <Cindux> nobodys here
[06:16] <Halo> Pluk, and the gnome wireless activity bar still shows N/A the first time... even with the power lights on
[06:16] <Cindux> 8-D
[06:16] <Simira> sebastian__ have you registered?
[06:16] <goldfish> ago73: The sound device wasn't being reconized or something.
[06:16] <Halo> So it's not working 100% from the get go
[06:16] <sebastian_> I tried, but it fails
[06:16] <ewhitten> Anubis:  you bet.  There's an official guide for nvidia in the wiki as well.
[06:16] <sebastian_> with the error
[06:16] <sebastian_> Sorry, This Isn't Ready Yet
[06:16] <sebastian_> This part of Launchpad is not yet ready for use. It will be available to the public in due course.
[06:16] <sebastian_> In the meantime, perhaps you would like to go to the parts of Launchpad that are ready.
[06:16] <Pluk> Halo, what value gives: cat /sysclass/net/ra0/device/power/state
[06:16] <Pluk> craps
[06:17] <Pluk> .. /sys/class/net/ra0/device/power/state
[06:17] <Halo> cat /sysclass/net/ra0/device/power/state
[06:17] <Halo> lol...
[06:17] <Pluk> typoe
[06:17] <Simira> sebastian_: check if you're using the right page. read the wiki
[06:18] <hizz> hm i think i have universe enabled, but i dont have flash-mozilla
[06:18] <hizz> hm i think i have universe enabled, but i dont have flashplayer-mozilla
[06:18] <Halo> halo@Goliath:~ $ cat /sys/class/net/ra0/device/power/state
[06:18] <Halo> cat: /sys/class/net/ra0/device/power/state: No such file or directory
[06:18] <hizz> oops
[06:18] <Bigglez> On Fedora 1 the wall command would pop-up a window in KDE. What's the story with Gnome on Ubu?
[06:18] <sebastian_> I just filled my E-Mail in the field after clicking of "join" and got an answer of the server with a link inside
[06:19] <ewhitten> hizz:  sudo apt-cache search flashplayer
[06:19] <Halo> there isn't a power folder in the ra0 dir
[06:19] <sebastian_> a click on this links occurs the shown error
[06:19] <Halo> that's where that error comes from
[06:19] <hizz> no hits
[06:19] <hizz> is it on universe?
[06:19] <ewhitten> hizz:  make sure again your line with universe is uncommented, try updating.
[06:20] <hizz> yeah i enabled it in synaptic
[06:20] <ewhitten> hizz:  you could also try multiverse if you're feeling daring.
[06:20] <Bigglez> hizz : I think it's called "flashplayer-mozilla"
[06:20] <hizz> do i need deb-src?
[06:20] <ewhitten> hizz:  but the flash installer straight from macromedia is fine as well.
[06:20] <Pluk> hmmm
[06:20] <ewhitten> no, you shouldn't need deb-src
[06:20] <ewhitten> I'm getting flashplayer-mozilla and flashplayer-nonfree
[06:20] <hizz> im only getting the latter
[06:21] <Halo> but it's got to be powered.... as it picks up the access point
[06:21] <Halo> I just did an iwlist ra0 scanning to test
[06:21] <saif> hizz http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
[06:21] <Halo> it still finds the ap
[06:21] <hizz> flashplugin-nonfree
[06:21] <hizz> oh i forgot about those
[06:21] <Halo> under windows, the lights on this card won't come on until a stable network connection is there
[06:21] <saif> guys, i can't boot to windows
[06:21] <Halo> while it's searching for the ap and etc the lights don't come on
[06:22] <saif> :(
[06:22] <Bigglez> hizz : go to http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ and setup your system like they say - it works!
[06:22] <ewhitten> saif:  that's a good thing! ;)
[06:22] <Halo> but once I connect successfully the lights come on
[06:22] <saif> the reason is a mess with the parition
[06:22] <Halo> so I imagine it's the same story here... I just can't connect successfully and I don't know why :(
[06:22] <saif> ewhitten: not really! :) i need it for development, and work!
[06:23] <cutterjohn> I've got a quick question while I'm here:  packages with dependencies that are NOT in the repos, e.g. xconq is available, but xconq-common is not in warty.  Should these be filed as bugs of some sort?
[06:23] <saif> does any1 know how i can specify a file as an input to sfdisk?
[06:23] <Pluk> Halo,  you could try posting in the ubuntu forums
[06:23] <ewhitten> saif: sorry, just giving you a hard time.
[06:23] <ewhitten> saif:  is your grub not passing off to the windows bootloader?
[06:24] <saif> yes,
[06:24] <saif> it starts, and hangs!
[06:24] <Halo> :(
[06:24] <cutterjohn> (xconq-common is listed as a dependency of xconq... etc.)
[06:24] <Halo> I'll try that I suppose
[06:24] <saif> before the windows booting starts
[06:24] <ago73> ewhitten, I get: open /dev/sequencer: no such file or directory
[06:24] <sebastian_> Simira: thx, I found it.
[06:24] <Yapser> Hi dudes
[06:24] <saif> i remember i had the problem before, i have to ru this command to fix it:
[06:24] <Halo> hey, what's iwprv?
[06:24] <Halo> hey, what's iwpriv?
[06:25] <Pluk> halo you cant ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[06:25] <ewhitten> Halo:  man iwpriv
[06:25] <Yapser> Does anyone know if the Ubuntu team comes up with a server release of Ubuntu?
[06:25] <ewhitten> :)
[06:25] <Halo> it'll just use my wired connection
[06:25] <saif> sfdisk -d /dev/hda |sfdisk --no-reread -H255 /dev/hda
[06:25] <Halo> when I pull the wired I lose connectivity
[06:25] <cutterjohn> Yapser, IIRC there was talk of a special server release with the release after hoary... i.e. Oct 2005...
[06:25] <ewhitten> saif:  whoa.
[06:25] <saif> the first command gets the current partition info, and the second should save it somewhere!
[06:26] <Pluk> halo ifdown eth0 then ifup ra0
[06:26] <Pluk> that way you box will use the wireless
[06:26] <saif> the problem is, when i run the first i get a warning, what i did was take the info, removed the warning and saved it into a file,
[06:26] <cutterjohn> back to the missing dependencies in the repos, should these be filed as bugs even if they're from universe/multiverse
[06:26] <hizz> aha, i didnt have all the sources configured
[06:26] <saif> now, i need to have that file as an input for the 2nd command, how?
[06:26] <cutterjohn> Yapser, ow. the expert install with base is used for servers, mostly...
[06:26] <Halo> allright.... brb
[06:27] <saif> ewhitten: whoa what?! dangerous?
[06:27] <ewhitten> saif:  you could do a:   cat filename | second command
[06:27] <saif> thanx\
[06:27] <ewhitten> saif:  no, I just haven't seen anyone needing to do that before.
[06:27] <Yapser> ah, will install using that one then! I'm searching for a 'base' system, so i don't want Gnome etc..
[06:27] <cutterjohn> Yapser, good idea for a server...
[06:27] <jdub> Yapser: boot the warty installer with 'custom' (or on hoary, boot with 'server')
[06:27] <winkle> So, Ubuntu (latest snapshot) is having problems identifying my cdrom, it's a hl-dt-st rw/dvd gcc-4481b. It's detected in latest D-I RC though.
[06:28] <cutterjohn> jdub, since you're here, should I file missing dependencies in warty's repo(ppc) universe/multiverse as bugs?
[06:28] <Halo> Pluk :
[06:28] <Pluk> yeah
[06:29] <jdub> cutterjohn: there's currently no place for universe bugs
[06:29] <Halo> $ sudo ifup ra0
[06:29] <Halo> SIOCGMIIPHY on 'ra0' failed: Operation not supported
[06:29] <Halo> Failed to bring up ra0.
[06:29] <Yapser> Operation not suported?
[06:29] <Yapser> hmm
[06:29] <cutterjohn> jdub, thanks, thats what I thought, but I wanted to make sure... should I send email tot he maintainer then I assume?
[06:29] <Pluk> Halo, delete the mii-diag line in /etc/netowrk/interfaces
[06:29] <Pluk> the pre-up line
[06:29] <jdub> cutterjohn: no, that'll just annoy a debian person
[06:30] <klaym> is there a winXP ctrl-alt-del equivalent on ubuntu/gnome?
[06:30] <cutterjohn> jdub: k, I'll just grab the debian source packages then...
[06:30] <ewhitten> klaym:  to see currently running processes?
[06:30] <Halo> done, trying again
[06:30] <Pluk> :)
[06:30] <jdub> cutterjohn: check if the same problem exists in hoary, and add a comment to the MOTU pages on the wiki
[06:30] <ewhitten> click applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor
[06:30] <klaym> ewhitten: yes, and to stop applications
[06:30] <saif> ewhitten: really?? it's a kernel 2.6 bug
[06:30] <klaym> ok thz
[06:31] <cutterjohn> jdub: I'll check, but it might be a few days b4 I get the chance...
[06:31] <ewhitten> saif:  I guess I never hit it... I don't really dual boot these days. :)
[06:31] <saif> ewhitten: lucky u!
[06:31] <Yapser> Oh, anyone knows how to fix the 'mod' bug? It's 3 errors on the bootup. I fixed it before, but i don't know wich file i have to edit :-(
[06:31] <webby> Hi Everyone. I've just installed Ubuntu, and my usb pen doesn't auto mount when I plug it in(cd's do though). How can I fix it?
[06:31] <Yapser> is it visible in /mnt?
[06:31] <dud> heh, i just got a load of ubuntu cds in the mail today
[06:31] <HaloGray> Pluk
[06:31] <saif> guys, there is somethn annoying going with the pckaing system,
[06:31] <dud> ordered like ~3 months ago :o
[06:31] <HaloGray> I love you :*
[06:31] <Yapser> rofl, i got 15 too today.
[06:31] <Pluk> yea
[06:32] <saif> like a package needs apache,
[06:32] <dud> i'd entirely forgot about them
[06:32] <Yapser> 6 weeks
[06:32] <webby> ls /mnt is empty
[06:32] <HaloGray> It works, I get activity lights and all
[06:32] <ewhitten> webby:  try /media
[06:32] <Yapser> gah.
[06:32] <Pluk> yay
[06:32] <saif> and it tells me it can't install because of dependency problems, even though i have apache2
[06:32] <HaloGray> buuuuut.... the gnome wireless connection indicator doesn't know I have a wireless card now
[06:32] <saif> or needs dvdread2
[06:32] <HaloGray> Any configs you know of that may help me educate it?
[06:32] <saif> and i have dvdread2
[06:32] <Yapser> that's because it reads the info from config file i guess?
[06:32] <webby> ewhitten: i have usb0 symlinked to usb, in /media
[06:32] <Pluk> is gnome-wireless looking for ra0?
[06:33] <saif> dvdread 3 rgat is
[06:33] <saif> how do i get around this?
[06:33] <HaloGray> possibly not... I had it set as wlan0 when I had the ndiswrapper drivers going
[06:33] <Pluk> ah rightmousclick
[06:33] <HaloGray> yes, it's looking at ra0
[06:33] <Pluk> there you can change it to ra0
[06:33] <HaloGray> strange....
[06:33] <Pluk> weird
[06:33] <Pluk> but you connected now trough ra0?
[06:34] <HaloGray> yeah, ifconfig shows lo and ra0 and that's it
[06:34] <Pluk> great
[06:34] <ewhitten> webby:  does that contain your files?
[06:34] <HaloGray> and I've got lights for power/activity both on my card
[06:34] <webby> ewhitten: no, it's empty
[06:34] <Pluk> weird thet the gnome-thingy doesnt work
[06:34] <Pluk> that
[06:34] <Pluk> dang my typing sux
[06:34] <ewhitten> webby:  does dmesg report anything?
[06:34] <HaloGray> Yeah... it only worked half assed with the ndiswrapper drivers too
[06:34] <altan> hmm, my sound appears not to work
[06:34] <HaloGray> it showed 100% all the time
[06:34] <Pluk> for wireless monitoring you could try wavemon
[06:34] <HaloGray> even if it was disconnected...
[06:34] <goldfish> How do you set for example xmms as the default player for .mp3 files?
[06:35] <Pluk> its a console program with lotsa info
[06:35] <altan> it was working yesterday, but I don't remember whether it was before or after I compiled a kernel
[06:35] <HaloGray> now it shows n/a all the time... so it's really not that big of a change
[06:35] <webby> ewhitten: it shows the device is inserted, as sbb
[06:35] <webby> sdb*
[06:35] <HaloGray> Now to see if all this was worth it :)
[06:35] <Pluk> :)
[06:35] <ewhitten> goldfish:  right click the file, Properties..
[06:35] <altan> I have onboard sound, and lsmod shows snd_ac97_codec 68996 1 snd_intel8x0
[06:35] <ewhitten> goldfish:  click Open With tab, then Add :)
[06:35] <altan> shouldn't that mean the sound part is loaded?
[06:35] <goldfish> ewhitten: cheers
[06:35] <HaloGray> Using ndiswrapper drivers... if the wireless signal dropped ubuntu would kill off irq port 11
[06:35] <goldfish> :)
[06:36] <HaloGray> which would effectively bunk my card, and oddly enough... my usb mouse too
[06:36] <ewhitten> webby:  can you mount the device manually?
[06:36] <webby> ewhitten: i'm running a custom kernel, so maybe i've misconfigured usb?
[06:36] <HaloGray> I assumed it was because of the windows drivers
[06:36] <Pluk> could be?
[06:36] <HaloGray> I'll found out when the signal drops next time
[06:36] <altan> guys?
[06:36] <ewhitten> it's possible, if maybe the kernel automounting isn't installed right?  (just a guess)
[06:36] <webby> ewhitten: yeah, I can mount it as root
[06:36] <HaloGray> hmmm... in fact, let me reboot the router and find out
[06:36] <Pluk> good luck :D
[06:37] <vijay> can someone help me with setting up my dsl connection
[06:37] <ewhitten> webby:  any particular reason for the custom kernel?
[06:37] <ewhitten> as opposed to using ubuntu and kernel-headers..
[06:37] <HaloGray> hey cool :)
[06:37] <webby> ewhitten: stock kernels wont boot if acpi is enabled
[06:37] <HaloGray> No lost mouse or anything
[06:38] <HaloGray> and wireless reconnected instantly
[06:38] <Pluk> great :)
[06:38] <HaloGray> faster than windows does even :)
[06:38] <Pluk> hail to rt2500
[06:38] <goldfish> vijay: any problems with it?
[06:38] <webby> ewhitten: but compiling my own, it works. (otherwise the hotplug process doesn't finish)
[06:38] <HaloGray> Only took me a day and a half to get working halfway properly too :D
[06:38] <HaloGray> Thank you very much for all your patience and help
[06:38] <Pluk> but you learned a lot now :)
[06:38] <HaloGray> Yeah :)
[06:38] <Pluk> your welcome Halo
[06:38] <HaloGray> I actually installed Arch as my main 'learning distro'
[06:39] <HaloGray> it took a week for me to get to a desktop...
[06:39] <HaloGray> but I learned A LOT
[06:39] <HaloGray> more than tinkering around with red hat in my college linux class tought me in 2 months
[06:39] <Pluk> i started with gentoo :)
[06:39] <Pluk> also great learning curve
[06:39] <vijay> yes goldfish
[06:40] <HaloGray> I tried gentoo first, but it gave me kernel panics when compiling pretty much any big program
[06:40] <Pluk> it can be a pain sometimes yeah
[06:40] <vijay> can we chat goldfish about this problem
[06:40] <ewhitten> webby:  I might suggest reconfiguring your custom kernel, start by using one of the /boot/config-* files ubuntu installs, then adjusting from there.
[06:40] <HaloGray> gnome and kde kernel panicked... and when it takes 5 hours to get said panic... I just gave up on it
[06:40] <HaloGray> went with Arch and got it running
[06:40] <Pluk> i got it running after 48 hours of compiling
[06:40] <webby> ewhitten: right, will do that. thanks for the help
[06:40] <goldfish> vijay: heh, well im new to linux myself but i got my dsl working fine
[06:40] <Pluk> on a dual p2-400 :)
[06:40] <goldfish> vijay: What's the problem?
[06:40] <HaloGray> Heh, took about that long for me to compile the initial kernel
[06:41] <Pluk> then i decided it took too long and went to debian :)
[06:41] <HaloGray> I was on my old thinkpad at that point, mobile p3 500mhz
[06:41] <ewhitten> webby:  no problem.  you might have better luck just changing only what you need to. :)
[06:41] <Slaven> I've gone Fedora -> Gentoo -> MEPIS -> Gentoo -> Xandros -> Gentoo -> Vida Linux -> Ubuntu -> Gentoo -> Ubuntu
[06:41] <HaloGray> I moved to Ubuntu because after awhile... configuring EVERYTHING with arch got to be too much
[06:41] <Pluk> yeah
[06:41] <HaloGray> I got a new laptop, and decided that this time I'd go with the more idiot approach
[06:41] <ewhitten> Slaven:  indecisive much? ;)
[06:41] <HaloGray> I got what I wanted out of arch though, an education :)
[06:41] <Pluk> ubunut is so easy
[06:42] <Pluk> and it s still debian
[06:42] <Yapser> yeah.
[06:42] <Slaven> ewhitten: Gentoo's my fav, but thoose darn nvidia drivers just won't work.
[06:42] <HaloGray> Yeah
[06:42] <Yapser> getting modprobe error ;(
[06:42] <vijay> well i was using suse all these years, then i shifted to FC3 , even there i can connect to my adsl connection easly by just clicking on network and selcting it , putting in my user name and password and bingo i am on the net
[06:42] <HaloGray> It seems to destroy my battery though
[06:42] <HaloGray> In windows, running on battery gives me 4 hours of life
[06:42] <Yapser> Yeah. recompile your kernel
[06:42] <HaloGray> ubuntu gives me about 30 minutes
[06:42] <Yapser> It willn't support your laptop-stuff in default
[06:42] <ewhitten> Slaven:  I had tons of problems with nvidia there too.  I got them working, but decided to switch to ubuntu anyway.  :)
[06:42] <HaloGray> Ah
[06:42] <HaloGray> I'm going to leave it as is for now...
[06:42] <vijay> but i just cannot understand were to start from in ubuntu
[06:42] <HaloGray> I'm done tinkering for a few days
[06:43] <Pluk> HaloGray, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:43] <Pluk> your cpu is prolly not throttling
[06:43] <Slaven> ewhitten: I'm more comfortable with Gentoo.
[06:43] <Yapser> guess so.
[06:43] <HaloGray> I don't see a throttle: field
[06:43] <Yapser> It doesn't throttle by default
[06:43] <Pluk> and lots of other powerconsuming things
[06:43] <Yapser> yeah.
[06:43] <Yapser> windows has in it standard
[06:44] <HaloGray> windows has everything in standard... that's why it can be so easy sometimes, and so absolutely awful slow in others
[06:44] <Pluk> powernowd noflushd and laptop-mode are the packages for laptops
[06:44] <HaloGray> I'm trying to get accustomed to Linux so I can get only what I use
[06:44] <ewhitten> Slaven:  I'm more of a fedora core person, but moving away from it.  the only rough thing can be getting mono setup right without the rpms :)
[06:44] <HaloGray> When I was installing Ubuntu it gave a bunch of 'laptop detected' type stuff
[06:44] <HaloGray> So I assumed it'd be all good
[06:44] <Pluk> linux is still more powerhungry then windows though
[06:44] <Pluk> 3.5 hours v.s. 2.45 hours here
[06:45] <HaloGray> loading everything into ram 100% of the time will do that I suppose
[06:45] <Yapser> got kale ubuntu :p
[06:45] <[Tiny] > hi
[06:45] <HaloGray> hello
[06:46] <ewhitten> heh. time to kill my interface with all the laptop-netconf stuff.  later all
[06:46] <cutterjohn> er, another quick question is there any sort of web interface to view the available packages in the ubuntu repos?
[06:46] <Slaven> great, nwresources is here.
[06:46] <Yapser> rofl, a ubuntu install with _nothing_ installed takes 45 mb of ram
[06:47] <HaloGray> cutterjohn, yeah
[06:47] <[Tiny] > have you ever installed KDE on ubuntu?
[06:47] <HaloGray> it's the synaptec package manager
[06:47] <Slaven> time to use thoose nvidia drivers for something else than nice screensavers ;)
[06:47] <Yapser> i've did it.
[06:47] <[Tiny] > how's going?
[06:47] <HaloGray> it's found under computer > system configuration > synaptic by default
[06:47] <Yapser> apt-get install kde worked for me, but gave yikefull stripes on me screen. can be my crappy Inhell videocard too
[06:47] <oomf> how do i set up the gnmoe graphical interface
[06:47] <cutterjohn> HaloGray, have the url handy?  I tried archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu but can only get to the packages archives...
[06:47] <oomf> anyone got a link
[06:47] <oomf> for this
[06:47] <cutterjohn> (which make it scripting time...)
[06:47] <HaloGray> It's built into ubuntu itself
[06:48] <HaloGray> it's a front end for the command line apt-get
[06:48] <[Tiny] > i don't if i should install debian sarge or ubuntu..
[06:48] <Yapser> what do u want to do?
[06:48] <[Tiny] > *i don't know
[06:48] <cutterjohn> Halogray, er, I mean a ONLINE version like Debian has...
[06:48] <[Tiny] > sorry :-)
[06:48] <Yapser> :)
[06:48] <HaloGray> synaptic goes online I believe...
[06:48] <Yapser> yep
[06:48] <HaloGray> checks for new packages and updates and all that
[06:48] <cutterjohn> Halogray, i.e. I don't want to mess with my repo sources and "forget" as that would be painful...
[06:49] <HaloGray> have you taken a look at synaptec?
[06:49] <HaloGray> Just so you can tell me what you'd like to be different... as I'm not sure what you mean
[06:49] <pussfeller> im getting no soundcards found in bootup and theres no /dev/dsp, or anything in /etc/alsa/0.9 but, the modules seem loaded
[06:49] <cutterjohn> Yapser, whats the nothing installed?  and linux or any UNIX like will/should use ALL available RAM for caching eventually...
[06:49] <Panzerboy> hi guys
[06:49] <Panzerboy> ubuntu newbie here
[06:50] <Panzerboy> just a quick question
[06:50] <RuffianSoldier> shoot
[06:50] <cutterjohn> HaloGray, yes, I usually use Synaptic, but to look at say Hoary, I'd have to change all my refs to hoary, then when I want to return to warty(which I do, dialup) I'd have to remember to change them all back to warty again
[06:50] <Panzerboy> is it possible to install ubuntu directly from the hoary live cd?
[06:50] <Yapser> Yeah, it used all ram before :)
[06:50] <Yapser> thought it was a leak.
[06:50] <RuffianSoldier> Panzerboy - i dont think so
[06:50] <Panzerboy> ok
[06:50] <RuffianSoldier> unless you use Gnoppix
[06:50] <RuffianSoldier> which is Ubuntu
[06:50] <cutterjohn> Halogray, I just want a web page on which I can search for package xyz in repo pqr
[06:50] <Panzerboy> because i just had that impression :)
[06:50] <RuffianSoldier> and you can install it frfom the Live CD
[06:50] <Panzerboy> i see
[06:50] <RuffianSoldier> cuz thats what Gnoppix is
[06:51] <Yapser> what's the easiest text editor?
[06:51] <RuffianSoldier> anybody care to correct me if im wrong?
[06:51] <cutterjohn> halogray, for dist uvw
[06:51] <Slaven> Yapser: gedit perhaps?
[06:51] <cutterjohn> Yapser, pico?
[06:51] <Slaven> kate?
[06:52] <cutterjohn> Slaven: no GUI...
[06:52] <Pluk> cutterjohn, there is somehwere an unofficial page for it
[06:52] <Pluk> lemme search
[06:52] <Yapser> rofl, it wants to install 120 mb of packages :)
[06:52] <HaloGray> cutterjohn, I don't know then :(
[06:52] <cutterjohn> Pluk, thanks, Id appreciate it...
[06:53] <raitis> where can i get GLib?
[06:53] <cutterjohn> Yapser, for pico?
[06:53] <raitis> Checking for GLib (GModule) >= 2.2.0... not found, see /root/.xfce4.installer-log for details
[06:53] <HaloGray> hey pluk
[06:53] <HaloGray> I fear rebooting....
[06:53] <Yapser> no, for gedit :)
[06:53] <HaloGray> I fear it a lot
[06:53] <Yapser> got Pico already (nano)
[06:53] <cutterjohn> Yapser, yeah it'll want a good chunk of GTK + GNOME...
[06:53] <Yapser> yeah :/
[06:53] <HaloGray> Is there something I can do to auto-add the interface on boot?
[06:54] <Yapser> but i want a easy texteditor so i can chance config files
[06:54] <cutterjohn> Yapser, try pico? or nano(?)
[06:54] <Yapser> but don't want graphical shit
[06:54] <Yapser> using nano now :)
[06:54] <cutterjohn> Yapser, there's also vim or emacs, but I dont recomend them if you're not familiar with them, and they ARE large...
[06:54] <HaloGray> nano is my favorite command line editor
[06:54] <Yapser> know :)
[06:55] <Yapser> vim is in _all_ distributions..hehe
[06:55] <HaloGray> gedit is nice for graphics though
[06:55] <cutterjohn> }:)
[06:55] <HaloGray> vim is not hardcore :P
[06:55] <Yapser> openoffice :P
[06:55] <RuffianSoldier> gedit gownsit
[06:55] <HaloGray> ed
[06:55] <TheButteryWonder> dir
[06:55] <HaloGray> that's hardcore
[06:55] <cutterjohn> death to emacs! };)
[06:55] <dud> i like nano as well
[06:55] <Yapser> rol
[06:55] <Yapser> mourniing bellll
[06:55] <HaloGray> In the linux class I took awhile back... the first 2 weeks were learning how to use ed
[06:55] <HaloGray> I've forgotten... just about all of it
[06:56] <HaloGray> god that thing is a nightmare
[06:56] <cutterjohn> Halogray, someone still expects to be so fubarred as to only have ed?
[06:56] <HaloGray> it was a server class
[06:56] <cutterjohn> Halogray, even on a server
[06:56] <HaloGray> so it's better to have the knowledge and not need it, then to not have it and need it
[06:56] <HaloGray> trying to learn ed while your server is down wouldn't be very cool
[06:57] <HaloGray> In the world of live cds though... I don't see it every being necessary
[06:57] <HaloGray> ever*
[06:57] <cutterjohn> Halogray, wouldn't bother, would either get something else going, or that server is so fubarred its restore time
[06:57] <HaloGray> sometimes those arn't an option
[06:58] <HaloGray> restoring to an hour ago when 100 employees have been punching into the database effectively loses 100 hours of work
[06:58] <cutterjohn> HaloGray, you could also network mount it, or move the drives temporarily...
[06:58] <dud> some linux classes act more like you're learning at&t unix time sharing V 1
[06:58] <cutterjohn> dud, thats because theyre recycle sysv classes...
[06:58] <Pluk> cutterjohn, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[06:58] <cutterjohn> Pluk, thanks
[06:58] <Pluk> yw
[06:58] <HaloGray> WB pluk
[06:58] <Pluk> ty :)
[06:58] <Pluk> already rebooted? :P
[06:59] <HaloGray> no...
[06:59] <cutterjohn> heh heh good to go...
[06:59] <dud> cutterjohn, or the instructors are 50 years old and havent kept with the times :P
[06:59] <HaloGray> I have rt2500 loaded into modules... but is there something to edit so it will come up automagically?
[06:59] <Pluk> itll prolly get autodetected
[06:59] <Pluk> if not you have to add it to /etc/modules
[07:00] <HaloGray> the instructor of that class didn't have much expereince with x windows
[07:00] <HaloGray> he's been command lining his whole life
[07:00] <dud> a friend of mine has an rt2500 card... apparently its rather difficult getting it working
[07:00] <HaloGray> yes... yes it is
[07:00] <HaloGray> but it works now :)
[07:00] <HaloGray> I'm going to reboot and see what happens... wish me luck
[07:00] <Pluk> gl :)
[07:00] <HaloGray> it's already added in /etc/modules FYI
[07:06] <PuGz> hey everyone... i am trying to conifure postfix on my dialup ubuntu warty system
[07:06] <Pluk> takes a long time b4 halo is back..
[07:06] <Yapser> where is the apt-get config file located?
[07:06] <PuGz> i have followed the instructions online in the faqs and got it to what I think should work
[07:06] <Yapser> want to enable 'universe' sources
[07:06] <PuGz> /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:07] <pussfeller> where are thekernel modules located
[07:07] <PuGz> /lib/modules/<kernel version>/
[07:07] <PuGz> but i have errors when i check mailq for my postfix:
[07:08] <PuGz> 18EC3C0C0       299 Sun Feb  6 01:40:30<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:08] <PuGz>                           (delivery temporarily suspended: deferred transport)
[07:08] <PuGz><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:08] <PuGz> why doesnt it deliver properly?
[07:08] <PuGz> anyone know how to stop it from deferring? and just deliver!
[07:09] <NermalLaptop> logfile?
[07:09] <Pluk> prolly it isnt allowed to? cuz if it was youd be an open relay?
[07:11] <PuGz> actually -> i just got it to work!
[07:11] <PuGz> i had to call the following command:
[07:11] <jouberp> hi all
[07:11] <PuGz> sudo postfix flush
[07:11] <Pluk> congrats :)
[07:11] <PuGz> will i have to do that everytime i want to send the mail in the system?
[07:11] <Pluk> hi jouberp
[07:11] <lerio> hi. i need advices to tweak hoary to its limits
[07:12] <PuGz> or is there a way to set it up to do it each 4 mins or whatever
[07:12] <oomf> how do i configure the x server?
[07:12] <oomf> anyone know
[07:12] <jouberp> can some one please help me with permission on kppp
[07:12] <oomf> or gnome
[07:12] <Pluk> if you have to flush by hand you should check cron
[07:12] <Yapser> i can't ssh to my ubuntu box
[07:12] <PuGz> oomf, manually by /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf (if you use xorg)
[07:12] <Pluk> it can do it every x minutes/days ..
[07:12] <Halo> ...
[07:12] <Halo> back on wired :(
[07:12] <Pluk> but i think it hsould work auto
[07:13] <Halo> no amount of ifup ra0 works out
[07:13] <Pluk> what went wrong halo
[07:13] <jouberp> the root can use it but not the users
[07:13] <PuGz> Pluk, good idea!
[07:13] <Halo> it didn't detect it on boot
[07:13] <Halo> and now it's not detecting the network at all
[07:13] <Halo> $ sudo ifup ra0
[07:13] <Halo> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[07:13] <Halo>     SET failed on device ra0 ; Network is down.
[07:13] <Halo> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[07:13] <Halo>     invalid argument "managed".
[07:13] <Halo> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
[07:13] <Halo>     SET failed on device ra0 ; Network is down
[07:14] <Halo> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[07:14] <Halo> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[07:14] <Halo> Listening on LPF/ra0/00:0e:a6:98:b7:8f
[07:14] <Halo> Sending on   LPF/ra0/00:0e:a6:98:b7:8f
[07:14] <Halo> Sending on   Socket/fallback
[07:14] <Halo> DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 4
[07:14] <Halo> DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 6
[07:14] <Halo> DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 11
[07:14] <Halo> DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 13
[07:14] <Halo> DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 16
[07:14] <Halo> DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 11
[07:14] <Halo> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[07:14] <Halo> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[07:14] <jasonf> holy crap
[07:14] <Halo> ideas?
[07:14] <jasonf> that's a flood
[07:14] <Halo> sorry :(
[07:14] <jasonf> that's the damn definition of a flood
[07:14] <jasonf> hell, that's a tsunami
[07:14] <Halo> oh come on
[07:14] <Pluk> Halo, www.pastebin.com is great for that
[07:14] <Halo> it could have been a lot more
[07:14] <Pluk> jasonf, LOL
[07:15] <Halo> eth0 gives the same error for sit0
[07:15] <Halo> gives 2 dhcp requests, and then gets online
[07:15] <Halo> taking it back offline, and trying ra0 again... no go
[07:15] <Halo> using gnome to try, no go
[07:15] <oomf> pugz: its not working
[07:15] <pussfeller> since I have to modprobe my sound mod manually, where do I add that into the startup
[07:16] <PuGz> oomf, what about it isnt working?
[07:16] <pussfeller> in /etc/modules?
[07:16] <Pluk> pusling, /etc/modules
[07:16] <Pluk> craps
[07:16] <Pluk> yeah there
[07:16] <pussfeller> ty
[07:16] <oomf> pugz:no file or directory foud
[07:16] <PuGz> oomf, could try letting it auto detect: sudo xf86cfg
[07:16] <oomf> k
[07:16] <PuGz> oomf, you using warty or hoary?
[07:16] <oomf> wawrty
[07:16] <Halo> ifconfig shows ra0 though... no ip with it
[07:17] <sulkd> wawrrr
[07:17] <Pluk> Halo, lsmod
[07:17] <oomf> pugz: i typeed in the sudo and it asks for a password
[07:17] <oomf> then
[07:17] <PuGz> oomf, that is your own user password
[07:17] <Pluk> does that list rt2500?
[07:18] <oomf> it says nothing found after i tpye in pass
[07:18] <sulkd> oomf, sudo -s is maybe what you're trying for
[07:18] <Halo> yes
[07:18] <oomf> then what do i write in
[07:18] <oomf> after i type that
[07:18] <Pluk> then i dont have a clue halkeye
[07:19] <Pluk> halo
[07:19] <Halo> rt2500                144736  1
[07:19] <sulkd> oomf, dunno what do you want to do?
[07:19] <Pluk> too many ppl here i cant tab a name ok
[07:19] <Halo> ok?
[07:20] <oomf> sulkd: im tring to get to the config for the x server
[07:20] <sulkd> oomf, you want to edit it?
[07:20] <PuGz> this may seem silly? but is there a way to get evolution to check for mail at startup? Every other mail client seems to have that option...
[07:20] <sulkd> oomf, pico /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:20] <Halo> Pluk, what about all this?
[07:20] <oomf> sulkd: its not running and it said i have to configure it
[07:20] <Halo> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[07:20] <Halo>     SET failed on device ra0 ; Network is down.
[07:20] <Halo> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[07:20] <Halo>     invalid argument "managed".
[07:20] <Halo> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
[07:20] <Halo>     SET failed on device ra0 ; Network is down.
[07:20] <PuGz> Halo, you gotta quit doin that!
[07:21] <PuGz> hehe
[07:21] <Halo> :(
[07:21] <sulkd> oomf, oh I see..
[07:22] <PuGz> so anyone know how to make evolution check for mail at startup?
[07:22] <Halo> why not use thunderbird :D
[07:22] <Pluk> Halo,  paste you /etc/network/interfaces on www.pastebin.com again
[07:22] <rubenv> PuGz: doesn't it do that?
[07:22] <rubenv> just hit F9
[07:23] <Pluk> i thought evol did that in background
[07:23] <spiral> hi
[07:23] <sulkd> oomf, try this: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[07:23] <Halo> http://www.pastebin.com/23769
[07:24] <PuGz> rubenv, not by default it doesnt
[07:24] <pussfeller> im pretty sure evol does
[07:24] <Halo> should I try adding it via the gnome wizard?
[07:25] <PuGz> Halo, thunderbird is good, but can't receive local system mail... plus its only 0.8 in warty
[07:25] <rubenv> it does query my imap
[07:25] <PuGz> pussfeller, nope... it just checks after the amount of time you specify for interval mail checks
[07:25] <sri> hey has anybody gotten any problems with hoary on teh latest updates?
[07:25] <rubenv> sri: you've got probs?
[07:27] <pussfeller> hmm cause it did with fedora
[07:27] <sri> rubenv: yeah
[07:27] <pussfeller> or so i thot
[07:27] <Pluk> Halo, try with this one http://www.pastebin.com/237704
[07:27] <rubenv> sri: what's breaking?
[07:27] <sri> rubenv: my gnome icons are replaced with something strnage
[07:27] <PuGz> actually... looking at it again... maybe it does... it just doesnt give you any notification AT ALL that it is doing it... except maybe the stop sign lighting up
[07:27] <sri> rubenv: the really old icons from gmc
[07:27] <sri> rubenv: and also my X pointer is a square with lines
[07:27] <Niels2> Dear master: I just installed ubuntu (with universe enabled) but I would like to fetch a few packages from sid. Can I add sid to sources list without screwing everything up?
[07:28] <rubenv> sri: eh? that sounds like massive fubar
[07:28] <sri> rubenv: yeah.it happened after I updated this morning.
[07:28] <Halo> Pluk, ok I'll try that
[07:28] <Halo> I have lo and eth0 there too... I just didn't post them because I thought they were irrevivent
[07:28] <sri> rubenv: so I'm not sure whats going on, I fooled with xorg.conf but I can't seem to get rid of that strange pointer.
[07:29] <PuGz> minimizing things to the system tray (eg Evolution)... is kdocker the only way?
[07:30] <rubenv> that surely doesn't sound like a common problem
[07:30] <pussfeller> is antialiasing off by default on the fonts or somehting
[07:30] <cutterjohn> yet another quick question: is there a way to get apt to check dependencies for all packages without trying to install them? i.e. I want an automated dependency check without having to install the packages...
[07:30] <pussfeller> cause they look ugly
[07:30] <sri> rubenv: yeah, so I'm not sure whats going on.  My computers at home using nvidia and ati work fine.
[07:30] <Pluk> cutterjohn, apt-get install -s *
[07:30] <cutterjohn> pluk, d'oh
[07:30] <rubenv> i'd go bug the devs in #ubuntu-devel if I were you, this ain't no regular problem
[07:30] <Pluk> :)
[07:31] <PuGz> For info about evolutions mail checking at startup => http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/evolution/2003-March/027846.html
[07:31] <sri> rubenv: are they on their own server? or on freenode?
[07:31] <rubenv> just here on freenode
[07:31] <sri> ok
[07:32] <raydogg_> Has anyone ever installed pear pc on ubuntu?
[07:32] <PuGz> minimizing things to the system tray (eg Evolution)... is kdocker the only way?
[07:32] <Niels2> I would like to install a few packages from sid (grace octave-forge wings3d + some more) on my ubunty laptop. What is the easiest way to do this?
[07:32] <raydogg_> i get a configure error "cannot find xopendisplay in -lx11
[07:33] <raydogg_> when i do ./configure
[07:33] <raydogg_> for pearpc
[07:33] <Halo> back again...
[07:33] <Halo> that was a no go
[07:33] <Halo> interesting thing when I enabled eth0 though
[07:33] <cutterjohn> Pluk, actually thats not going to work without a list of packages...
[07:34] <cutterjohn> Pluk, * expands to files in the current directory...
[07:34] <Halo> it said Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A): SET failed on device eth0; Operation not supported
[07:34] <Pluk> the * was a wildcard
[07:34] <Halo> on my eth0 intereface...
[07:35] <cutterjohn> Pluk, ok, then to modify the question is there an easy way to generate a list of all available packages in the repos and pass it to apt-get install -s ?
[07:35] <cutterjohn> Pluk, I want to do a global check...
[07:35] <Pluk> ah you wan tto dependency check all files
[07:35] <cutterjohn> Pluk, yes
[07:35] <Pluk> ALL files
[07:35] <cutterjohn> Pluk, ALL
[07:35] <Pluk> omg
[07:35] <Pluk> lol
[07:36] <cutterjohn> Pluk, I'm trying to build a list for hoary, since Ive found a few by accident already in warty
[07:36] <Halo> my wireless situation is aggrevating me :(
[07:36] <Amaranth> list of what?
[07:36] <Halo> It was working... and now it is not
[07:36] <cutterjohn> Pluk, e.g. xconq
[07:36] <Pluk> you have to script then i think
[07:36] <Halo> what the hell is different this time?
[07:36] <cutterjohn> Pluk, oh well, a scripting I shall go then...
[07:37] <Pluk> theres a way to donwload the whole index
[07:37] <Stinky_Taco> hmmm, i just installed Thunderbird from APT-get, and i get the message, : DOUBLE-CLICK: 300 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8--> -1 FILE: [xpconnect wrapper nsIFile]  ** Loading the extensions datasource...... DID I just get a ADWARE virus??? Doubleclick is a BIG scumbag advertizeing agancy known for Spyware...
[07:37] <cutterjohn> Pluk, which file would they be in, I grabbed the packages compressed file for hoary with all of the descriptions, which is what I was going to try to use...
[07:37] <Stinky_Taco> or is that pert of thunderbird?
[07:37] <Stinky_Taco> part
[07:37] <Pluk> ah it generates the same file
[07:37] <cutterjohn> Pluk, well at least universe's
[07:38] <Pluk> dunno what command it was though
[07:38] <Pluk> thought it was with apt-get
[07:38] <cutterjohn> Pluk, no I checked, and did a q&d try with apt-cache... there's go to be something somewhere..
[07:38] <Pluk> or maybe with apt-ftparchive
[07:38] <pippin> hmm,. are you asked for a root password during ubuntu install?
[07:39] <pussfeller> i was so surprised ubuntu was so easy to install...
[07:39] <cutterjohn> Pluk, hmmm... maybe, I guess I'll have to try and dig a little before giving up and scripting a hack...
[07:39] <Pluk> well with that file you could try writing a script for checking dependencies
[07:39] <Pluk> goodluck
[07:39] <cutterjohn> Pluk, but you'd think that there was a way to do this, like rpm -q
[07:39] <cutterjohn> Pluk, then feeding the output to a dummy install attempt...
[07:39] <altan> how do I go into a hidden directory in a file selection dialog that has no address bar?
[07:39] <altan> (GAIM)
[07:39] <Pluk> rpm -q check dependencies of the whole repo?
[07:40] <cutterjohn> Pluk, no, but it would give a list of all packages
[07:40] <Pluk> ah
[07:40] <cutterjohn> Pluk, which could be passed to a dummy install...
[07:40] <Pluk> yeah there is an easy way to generate that list
[07:40] <Pluk> dunno what it was though
[07:40] <Pluk> done it once
[07:41] <cutterjohn> Pluk, well, I'll go dig, and if I find it, add it to the comments on the wiki...
[07:41] <Halo> rebooting again...
[07:41] <terry> How can I use stuff like CPU temp and Power Saving on an Atlon64(Nforce Chipset)
 gkrellm
[07:42] <Niels2> cutterjohn: If you wish to check for dependencies of all packages, there is apt-get check
[07:43] <snowblink> cutterjohn: apt-rdepends?
[07:43] <terry> Stinky_Taco where would I find that??
 also if you are in GNOME there is a way to add one to your tool bar just rightclick on the toolbar on the top of screen and add component
[07:43] <Stinky_Taco> or add applett,
[07:43] <Stinky_Taco> I am in XFce I dont know the correct word...
[07:44] <Stinky_Taco> there is a system monitor and a network monitor...
[07:45] <terry> Stinky_Taco, I want CPU temperature
[07:45] <terry> and powersaving
[07:48] <NermalLaptop> acpi -v should tell you
[07:48] <NermalLaptop> acpi -V even
[07:49] <Joe-T3H> hi, I am after some software to use. Basically I want to be able to play music from my line out and also from mp3 files. If it is graphically attractive thats a very good pro. Any help is great :D
[07:51] <Halo> hey pluk
[07:51] <Halo> I got the wireless up again by uncommenting all the info I had on the network
[07:52] <Halo> sort of defeats the purpose of dhcp though...
[07:53] <Pluk> thats odd Halo
[07:53] <Halo> very... even more so when you figure it didn't need it the first time it found everything
[07:53] <Pluk> cutterjohn, apt-cache pkgnames > file
[07:53] <Pluk> yeah
[07:53] <vasi> hey folks...live cd on ppc is working pretty well :-)
[07:54] <Halo> well.. time for a reboot again, lets see if the 'everything but the actual ip is specified' interfaces config works on boot
[07:54] <vasi> couldn't detect that i needed a wireless key
[07:54] <vasi> and uh...seems to think my desktop is on battery power!.
[07:54] <vasi> but otherwise cool :-)
[07:54] <goldfish> hey there, was just wondering, i can only get a resolution of 1450 x 1050 now, but the live cd ran at full screen, is there anyway i can go full screen on the install version?
[07:55] <vasi> goldfish, you may have to edit your XFree86Config (XorgConfig now?)
[07:55] <goldfish> I see.
[07:55] <goldfish> em... im brand new to linux, like what wud I have to do?
[07:55] <goldfish> :)
[07:55] <vasi> i think running dpkg -reconfigure xorg (or something like that) would be useful
[07:56] <goldfish> ah right, i had problems with this.
[07:56] <vasi> but i just booted hoary for the first time
[07:56] <goldfish> ubuntu wouldn't boot into gui mode
[07:56] <vasi> so i'm not sure how much changed since warty
[07:56] <goldfish> i had to do some dpkg stuff
[07:57] <vasi> probably 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' ?
[07:57] <vasi> and then it asked you a bunch of questions?
[07:57] <RuffianSoldier> http://img205.exs.cx/img205/8260/screenshot0js.jpg
[07:57] <vasi> (one of which is hopefully what resolutions you wish to use)
[07:57] <neofeed> Bugs Bugs Bugs.... :: OpenTTD works completely broken on Hoary (lages like mad  even though I'm running on nvidia's driver; libglade-java is broken! Buttonlistener fscked up!
[07:58] <goldfish> Package `xserver-xorg' is not installed and no info is available.
[07:58] <goldfish> ?
[07:58] <vasi> ooh openttd is fun
[07:58] <vasi> goldfish, are you running warty or hoary?
[07:58] <goldfish> warty
[07:58] <vasi> ah ok
[07:58] <goldfish> I think :)
[07:58] <vasi> so then it's uhhh
[07:58] <shock> is there a "blueSteel" theme for metacity?
[07:58] <shock> anyone know thaT?
[07:58] <vasi> do        dpkg -l '*xfree*'
[07:59] <Halo> ok.... now that's just plain fucked up
[07:59] <vasi> a list of packages will come up
[07:59] <vasi> whichever one has 'server' in its name is what you want instead of xserver-xorg
[07:59] <Halo> It didn't detect it on boot, so the first thing I did was open a terminal and try to ra down, ra up
[07:59] <Halo> it gave a bunch of 'network not found' errors like usual
[07:59] <Halo> so I canceled and did it again right away.... found everything right away
[07:59] <Halo> 3rd time's the charm I guess?
[08:00] <Pluk> weird
[08:00] <Pluk> maybe something in the dhcp cache
[08:00] <Pluk> just guessing here
[08:00] <Pluk> or the driver is still a little buggy?
[08:00] <Halo> the driver is reported to still be buggy
[08:00] <goldfish> vasi: ah ok, i found it, ill try that, thanks.
[08:00] <Halo> So I suppose that could be it
[08:01] <Halo> also could explain why gnome has no idea it's online
[08:01] <LesleyB> hello it's me again :\
[08:01] <Pierre_> hi again
[08:01] <Halo> I suppose I could write a shell script to try and find the network 4 or 5 times in a row
[08:02] <Halo> if grep sees a network error message, quick stop and try again
[08:02] <Halo> for 5 times or so
[08:02] <Halo> if nothing detected after 5 tries, it's probably because the router is down or I'm not at home... as this IS a laptop :)
[08:02] <LesleyB> I have an Alcatel modem which in the past has been known to work under SuSE 8.2 I know because I installed it and gotit runing
[08:03] <goldfish> Anyone want to play iSketch?
[08:03] <goldfish> shit
[08:03] <goldfish> wrong window :)
[08:03] <Pluk> :D
[08:03] <Pluk> isketch is fun
[08:03] <goldfish> yep, very addictive :)
[08:03] <Pierre_> I have a Duxbury external ISDN modem and it seems to only connect at 9600 is there something I can do to correct this?
[08:03] <vasi> argh this is so weird....
[08:04] <vasi> why the heck does on_ac_power tell me i'm on battery
[08:04] <vasi> when there IS no battery, it's a desktop system?
[08:04] <vasi> anybody ever heard of such a thing?
[08:04] <electrichamster> hello
[08:04] <Pierre_> hi
[08:04] <electrichamster> quick question, does the default ubuntu install use xfree86 or xorg?
[08:05] <rubenv> warty: yes
[08:05] <Pluk>   warty does xfree86
[08:05] <rubenv> hoary: no
[08:05] <Pluk> hoary xorg
[08:06] <esher> how can i disable some installed packages from apt that there never be updated again (ignore) when i do command apt-get upgrade ?
[08:06] <electrichamster> has hoary actually been released yet?
[08:06] <zenrox> electrichamster,  not yet
[08:06] <goldfish> ah shit
[08:06] <Pluk> hoary will be in april or somthing
[08:06] <goldfish> Pluk: Can u get the shockwave plugin to play isketch on ubuntu?
[08:07] <electrichamster> can I just use apt to remove xfree86 and then install xorg without too many problems?
[08:07] <Halo> it's xorg by default
[08:07] <Halo> I'm pretty sure....
[08:07] <iocaste> Does anyone know how I can burn the PPC Live CD with a external Firewire burner? For some reason the .iso crashes the OS X disk utility and CDRecord doesn't support external burners.
[08:07] <vasi> goldfish, only on x86
[08:07] <goldfish> emm...
[08:08] <vasi> iocaste, get Toast :-/
[08:08] <LesleyB> I have just been using http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ with nosuccess; My alcatel is silver but it's a rev 2 not a rev 4 so I changed from trying ZZZL_3.012 to KD6_3.012.  This got slightly better results; I alt least got to LCP status tho' with debug option and kdebug 2 I found that the two machines where rejecting each others requests and just not authenticating : No authentication possible message : so then I hunt around the ubun
[08:08] <Pluk> goldfish, nope
[08:08] <goldfish> ah shit
[08:08] <iocaste> ugh.. don't own Toast
[08:08] <Pluk> goldfish, lemme try to install some shockwave
[08:08] <engie> Hi. I've just installed warty, and I swear it didn't ask me for a root pw. Is there a default one?
[08:08] <vasi> iocaste, it *should* burn fine with disk utility though
[08:08] <vasi> are you sure your iso is ok? maybe md5 it
[08:08] <goldfish> Pluk: I went to the shockwave site and it said cant find a version to match your web browser and platform
[08:09] <iocaste> yes. this problem was mentioned on Slashdot as well. I think it's happening a lot
[08:09] <goldfish> but im a n00bie :)
[08:09] <Pluk> goldfish, from macromedia: At present, there are not Linux versions of QuickTime, Macromedia Shockwave Player, and various other Windows browser plugins
[08:09] <sri> does anybody know where the X pointers get stored in ubuntu?
[08:09] <goldfish> righteo
[08:09] <goldfish> Suppose i'll have to boot to windoze
[08:09] <goldfish> :(
[08:10] <Pluk> never use macromedia anymore untill they take linux serieus
[08:10] <LesleyB> dont worry goldfish you'll soon be as insane as the rest of us
[08:10] <iocaste> vasi: how do I go about md5-ing it (slight noob here ;) ?
[08:10] <Pluk> :P
[08:10] <Halo> linux searching is insanely faster than windows searching
[08:10] <goldfish> LesleyB: Hopefully :)
[08:10] <Halo> I fire a find command and I can feel the heat poor off my hard drive
[08:10] <LesleyB> I swear this thing is going to drive me mad, goldfish
[08:10] <Halo> does it use indexing?
[08:10] <vasi> iocaste that's ok :-)  just type 'openssl md5 ' and then drag and drop the iso into the terminal window
[08:11] <engie> Ahh, I can change it with sudo passwd root
[08:11] <vasi> then hit return, and wait a bit
[08:11] <LesleyB> I've been swapping the modem from this XP box to the Ubuntu box all day
[08:11] <LesleyB> I am so fed up with the whole idea of Linux
[08:11] <iocaste> vasi: I'll give that a go. That's appreciated. Thanks
[08:11] <vasi> Pluk, i thought macromedia had a flash plugin for linux x86?
[08:11] <LesleyB> I feel I have two alternatives: slash me wrists and firget about living or just use my hardware to play minesweeper all day
[08:11] <Pluk> shockwave and flash are different
[08:11] <snowblink> Halo: locate is even faster (uses a DB)
[08:12] <LesleyB> it's better than going round in this maddening loop going nowhere
[08:12] <vasi> np iocaste...though i'm gonna plug my stuff, and say you might want to give Fink a try :-)
[08:12] <Pluk> Halo, i prefer locate
[08:12] <LesleyB> ubuntu does a pretty good mahjong tho I suppose I should be happy with that
[08:13] <Pluk> downside you have to run update-db once in a while
[08:14] <vasi> is there a bug tracker for ubuntu?
[08:14] <snowblink> Pluk: I believe it is cronned be default
[08:14] <Pluk> ah yeah true
[08:15] <Pluk> had to run it by hand in the old days
[08:15] <Pluk> couldve added it to cron then
[08:15] <Pluk> but somehow never did
[08:16] <snowblink> LesleyB: hi. :) You could always get a proper DSL router. ;)
[08:17] <LesleyB> don't want one snowblink
[08:17] <LesleyB> but do you know if debian and ubuntu manage to distinguish between the Alcatel 330 and the Alcatel USB modems? they are different
[08:17] <kent> does anybody know what to do, to make a partition show up in computer://?  My brother added a ide-drive to his computer, and he want it to show up in computer:// along with the cd etc. I mean,  that sort of is the expected bahaviour.. ?
[08:18] <gsuveg> ipw2200 + wpa supported under warty ?
[08:18] <Pierre_> cheers
[08:19] <LesleyB> well you have to partition it first I think kent
[08:19] <LesleyB> and then format the partitions
[08:19] <LesleyB> and then mount the partitions
[08:19] <zazeem> what pachage do i need to play mp3's?
[08:19] <zazeem> k
[08:19] <zazeem> age
[08:20] <zazeem> ??????????
[08:20] <NermalLaptop> zazeem, loads
[08:20] <zazeem> loads?
[08:20] <NermalLaptop> xmms, beep media player, mpg123 ?
[08:20] <NermalLaptop> there are loads of mp3 players
[08:21] <LesleyB> and you might need to look at /etc/fstab as well kent
[08:21] <zazeem> what packets do i need from syn?
[08:21] <Rocha> xmms and beep sucks
[08:21] <Rocha> use totem
[08:21] <Rocha> (if you use gnome)
[08:21] <LesleyB> hda is the first disk and hdb should be the 2nd disk
[08:21] <zazeem> isnt there a mad pack or something?
[08:21] <NermalLaptop> Rocha, no thanks..
[08:21] <LesleyB> yes zazeem we are *all* here
[08:21] <zazeem> ?
[08:21] <zazeem> ...
[08:22] <zazeem> lol
[08:22] <zazeem> whats that mad pack thing?
[08:22] <NermalLaptop> bloody newbies
[08:22] <NermalLaptop> wtf are you talking about ?
[08:22] <neofeed> kent, got it done by now?
[08:22] <snowblink> zazeem: ubuntuguide
[08:22] <zazeem> for lstening to mp3s
[08:22] <neofeed> Where can I royaly complain?
[08:22] <zazeem> been there
[08:22] <Pluk> god i wish solidworks was ported
[08:22] <NermalLaptop> zazeem, why don't you just do what we say?
[08:22] <Pluk> then i couldve dumped windows totally
[08:22] <NermalLaptop> and install one of the mp3 players we listed
[08:22] <zazeem> whatd u say?
[08:22] <zazeem> i did xmms
[08:23] <NermalLaptop> well then
[08:23] <zazeem> says there is no plugin installed to handle mp3 file
[08:24] <zazeem> im trying to figure out the one that had mad in it
[08:24] <zazeem> worked last time i forgot name something-mad
[08:24] <zazeem> ???????
[08:25] <darksatanic> zazeem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:25] <zazeem> danke
[08:25] <zazeem> there we go gstreamer-mad :)
[08:25] <zazeem> ?
[08:25] <zazeem> ,,,,wtf?
[08:25] <zazeem> english plz
[08:25] <NermalLaptop> fuck you
[08:26] <darksatanic> Just for your information, the name of the package is also obtainable by going to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ and typing "mp3" into the search box.
[08:26] <zazeem> lol??
[08:26] <darksatanic> It's the first page in the list.
[08:26] <zazeem> k
[08:26] <zazeem> danke
[08:31] <soulsyphon> hi, how do i capture screenshots on the commandline?
[08:31] <mike_douglas> import -window screenshot.png
[08:32] <soulsyphon> hmm ok
[08:32] <soulsyphon> there was a specific tool but i forget the name i think it was fbgrab
[08:32] <soulsyphon> :S
[08:32] <mike_douglas> sorry, thats import -window root screenshot.png
[08:33] <soulsyphon> ok thanks
[08:33] <snowblink> soulsyphon: you can set up keyboard shortcuts for screenshots. Dunno if that's what you're after...
[08:34] <LesleyB> bbfn
[08:34] <soulsyphon> im good i think
[08:34] <soulsyphon> im pretty happy with ubuntu so far
[08:37] <Halo> ok... more help needed :(
[08:37] <Halo> I'm trying to mount my 2ndary ntfs partition
[08:37] <Halo> the primary windows partition works, but the 2ndary poots in my general direction
[08:37] <zazeem> ?
[08:37] <douglas> hi !
[08:38] <snowblink> Halo: what did it say?
[08:38] <Halo> works: /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    noatime,defaults,users,ro,umask=0 0 0
[08:38] <douglas> is there hoary images to download ?
[08:38] <douglas> with the current devel stage
[08:38] <Halo> poots: /dev/hda2 	/mnt/shared 	ntfs 	ro,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 0
[08:38] <Halo> command used and output:
[08:38] <Halo> $ sudo mount /mnt/shared
[08:38] <Halo> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[08:38] <Halo>        or too many mounted file systems
[08:38] <Halo>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[08:38] <Halo>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[08:38] <Halo> oops... thought that would stay on one line... sorry :O
[08:39] <snowblink> Halo: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[08:40] <snowblink> Halo: hda2 is definitely an ntfs partition?
[08:40] <Halo> /dev/hda2           30489       92443    31225068+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[08:40] <Halo> yes
[08:40] <Halo> it's definately ntfs
[08:40] <dud> umask not dmask?
[08:40] <Halo> I'll give it a shot
[08:41] <snowblink> Halo: that's an extended partition
[08:41] <dud> dont trust me though... i dont have any ntfs thankfully
[08:41] <engie> Hi. I'm trying to upgrade to hoary on a brand spanking new installation of warty, however apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade fails with a python dependency. python <2.4 is required by a load of stuff but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is installed. How can I fix this?
[08:41] <Halo> I know...
[08:41] <Halo> that's what I was asking
[08:41] <Halo> anyway, umask gave the same error
[08:41] <snowblink> Halo: so you can't mount it
[08:41] <njs12345> hmm
[08:42] <thenuke> engie: I think that you should not upgrade to hoary if you can't handle problems ;)
[08:42] <njs12345> I have a tablet PC
[08:42] <njs12345> and I need an onscreen keyboard for it
[08:42] <jab1> hi
[08:42] <njs12345> I've tried GOK, and come to the conclusion that it sucks
[08:42] <jab1> when i play any sounds or hear them its crackly and sounds like theres 2 of it running any ideas what it could be?
[08:42] <Halo> you can't mount extended partitions?
[08:42] <Halo> at all?
[08:42] <jab1> wasnt like tyhis on previous install
[08:43] <snowblink> Halo: Read your own error message
[08:43] <snowblink> Halo: but no
[08:43] <Pluk> Halo, you need to mount logical partitions
[08:43] <Pluk> they reside in extended partitions
[08:43] <snowblink> Halo: you will want to mount something =< /dev/hda5
[08:43] <jab1> ?
[08:43] <Halo> erm...
[08:44] <Halo> I'll google and get back to you all
[08:44] <jab1> anyone help me plz
[08:44] <Halo> thanks :)
[08:44] <jab1> i get crackily sounds when i hear sound now
[08:44] <jab1> dunno why
[08:44] <jab1> speakers and sound card works great in windows  still
[08:44] <jab1> but ubuntu its crackily
[08:46] <jab1> ???????????
[08:46] <Halo> do you have the right drivers installed?
[08:46] <jab1> ya
[08:46] <kent> neofeed, the disk is partitioned. It has a vfat-partition. I just dont know what to do to make it show up in computer://  Right now i have it maunted on my brothers computer in /home/Mybrother/Disk. With permissions to read/write. But that wont work if he adds another user :(
[08:47] <jab1> what kind of support is this
[08:47] <_d4vid> hi all
[08:48] <Pluk> lol
[08:48] <Pluk> support
[08:48] <Pluk> if we got paid maybe
[08:49] <Halo> it's mounted :)
[08:49] <Halo> Thanks guys
[08:49] <Halo> sorry for the RTFM question :O
[08:49] <Pluk> :P
[08:52] <engie> thenuke: I'm happy working with sid, I just wondered if this was a known problem
[08:52] <thenuke> oookey, I dont happen to know that :(
[08:53] <thenuke> I upgraded to hoary once too but had no problems
[08:54] <dud> soo, does anyone have good suggestions what i should do with the ~30 ubuntu cds that arrived today?
[08:54] <jasonf> is ubuntu only like hoary / worty -- or is there a SID-like component?
[08:54] <dud> i just ordered to see if canonical actually sends them out 100% free hehe
[08:54] <dud> give them to the poor and homeless?
[08:54] <jab1> how do i renistall audo
[08:54] <soulsyphon> i hope mine come soon =/
[08:54] <jasonf> dud: give them to your library
[08:54] <jab1> ac97
[08:54] <jasonf> or to your lug
[08:54] <dud> soulsyphon, took close to 3 months heh
[08:55] <jab1> audio*
[08:55] <lo1> ?
[08:55] <dud> i really dont hope canonical goes bankrupt for sending out these cds all over the world
[08:56] <dud> would hate to see ubuntu die hehe
[08:56] <snowblink> dud: thanks for helping...
[08:57] <dud> i wasnt aware that i did...
[08:57] <engie> I have a few warty cd kits remaining from teh batch sent through to me (in the uk)
[08:57] <terry> dud, I have 10.  I did the same the first time I saw it on www.debianplanet.org
[08:57] <engie> They work well
[08:57] <terry> When I got them I was like what the heck is this
[08:57] <snowblink> Dud: ordering 30 CDs you don't know what to do with. ;)
[08:57] <dud> ill give them to my library or such... just so they wont go to total waste
[08:57] <terry> I give them to people at school though
[08:57] <terry> so it wasnt a waste
[08:59] <soulsyphon> there is also gnome-panel-screenshot
[08:59] <soulsyphon> to take screenshots
[09:01] <mega> can anyone help me here
[09:01] <mega> ??
[09:01] <jbailey> mega: It's usually a good idea to say what problem you have so that we can know whether we can help you. =)
[09:02] <mega> my audio in totem is really crackily
[09:02] <mega> but when i im people and hear stuff on desktop its fine
[09:02] <jbailey> mega: Has it ever worked in any other distro?
[09:02] <mega> ?
[09:02] <mega> whats a distro
[09:02] <jbailey> mega: I'm curious if it's a sound driver problem, or if it's an Ubuntu setup.
[09:02] <jbailey> Oh I see. Distribution.
[09:02] <jbailey> Like in Debian, or Redhat, etc..
[09:03] <mega> it works fine on desktop
[09:03] <mega> worked fine in totem last ubuntu install
[09:03] <mega> dunno
[09:03] <jbailey> Sounds like it might be the move from OSS to Alsa then.  I don't know enough to help you with that, sorry.
[09:03] <mega> how do i get ac97 ddrivers again
[09:03] <mega> uninstall and install?
[09:04] <mega> i googled and looked in ubuntu guide nothing
[09:04] <mega> :|
[09:05] <mega> any ideas bailey?/
[09:07] <sladen> mega: the driver is snd_ac97_codec
[09:07] <mega> k
[09:07] <sladen> mega: but you need to get your specific hardware working, eg.  i810
[09:08] <mega> ?
[09:08] <mega> whats that
[09:08] <mega> it works just all cracked up
[09:08] <dragonkh> snowblink, heya
[09:08] <mega> not like this on windows
[09:08] <mega> i got win and ubuntu
[09:08] <snowblink> dragonkh: hi. :)
[09:08] <mega> sladen
[09:08] <dragonkh> but windows is so cool !
[09:08] <dragonkh> lol
[09:08] <mega> ...
[09:09] <mega> :D
[09:09] <sladen> mega: what's your problem?
[09:09] <mega> audio works but is all cracky like fuzzy
[09:10] <mega> never used to be like this
[09:10] <mega> andi was on windows a min ago it works perfect there
[09:10] <mega> :(
[09:10] <mega> wait
[09:10] <mega> sladden
[09:11] <mega> is it alsa thats doing it?
[09:11] <mega> anyone home wtf
[09:12] <Phoenix[SPH] > probably everybody in the usa is our for lunch ;)
[09:12] <mega> 3:12 dont think so
[09:13] <Phoenix[SPH] > is anybody using hoary with cups and stumbled over this admin restriction? is this just temporary or is this state to be released?
[09:14] <mega> this support has no life in it
[09:14] <mega> lol
[09:14] <Phoenix[SPH] > mega: whats up?
[09:15] <mega> need help.
[09:15] <Phoenix[SPH] > mega: kinda thought so...
[09:15] <mega> my sound is all cracked up
[09:15] <mega> and
[09:15] <mega> being gay
[09:15] <mega> its fine when i boot windows
[09:15] <mega> :/
[09:16] <OddAbe19> is there a mp3 plugin for k3b and hoary? i didn't see a k3b-mp3 deb in apt-get
[09:16] <Phoenix[SPH] > you mean you only get female voices ;)
[09:16] <mega> ?
[09:17] <Phoenix[SPH] > mega: english is not my native tongue, so I tried to firgure "beeing gay" means for sound...
[09:17] <mega> brb
[09:18] <sladen> mega: do you just have the volumes turned up too high?
[09:19] <OddAbe19> is there a mp3 plugin for k3b and hoary? i didn't see a k3b-mp3 deb in apt-get
[09:20] <dkg> hi
[09:20] <dkg> which burning programm is running in ubuntu?
[09:20] <dkg> k3b crashes.
[09:20] <thenuke> k3b should work :I
[09:21] <dkg> gcombust is not working because its unable to find cddevice
[09:21] <Phoenix[SPH] > OddAbe19: nope...
[09:21] <thenuke> I installed it for my sister
[09:21] <dkg> it wants kcmshell
[09:21] <Phoenix[SPH] > dkb: cdrecord?
[09:21] <dkg> but its not included.
[09:21] <dkg> Phoenix[SPH] : we need a GUI
[09:22] <Phoenix[SPH] > dkg: xcdroast is point and click
[09:22] <Phoenix[SPH] > dkg: but dunno of it's state in hoary
[09:22] <dkg> but it is not able to calculate the size of images.
[09:23] <dkg> and therefor its not able to burn
[09:23] <Phoenix[SPH] > dkb: xcdroaster can't burn?! hmmm....
[09:24] <dkg> rite
[09:24] <mcphail> dkg: i think i missed the start of things. What problems have you been having with burning?
[09:24] <neom> any of you guys see xandros before?
[09:25] <Phoenix[SPH] > !seen xandros
[09:25] <neom> It'
[09:25] <hk> hi
[09:25] <neom> It's a distro.....
[09:26] <LinuxJones> neom, it's kde based distro yeah
[09:26] <neom> You ever seen it running?
[09:26] <hk> are there gnome 2.9.x packs for ubuntu ?
[09:26] <neom> I've heard some interesting things about it at work today.
[09:26] <LinuxJones> neom, I won't tun it myself it is supposed to be very user friendly for new Linux users tho
[09:26] <Phoenix[SPH] > hk: in hoary...
[09:27] <LinuxJones> neom, they have some sort of restricted download version available
[09:27] <hk> Phoenix[SPH] , hmm but hoary is not stable yet right ? (its difficult for me to download cds)
[09:27] <Phoenix[SPH] > hk: hoary is supposed to have gnome 2.10... so they should definitly have some decent 2.9x stuff in it ;)
[09:27] <neom> lifeless - Fuck user friendly, it runs -all- windows programs provided they have a valid install protocal.
[09:27] <neom> *linuxjones
[09:27] <Phoenix[SPH] > hk: nope, hoary is development....
[09:28] <LinuxJones> neom, that's not trye
[09:28] <LinuxJones> err s/trye/true
[09:28] <hk> Phoenix[SPH] , my ubuntu 4.10 cds arrived today ;) thought it would be worth a try :P
[09:28] <hk> I think Im gonna install it anyway
[09:29] <klaym> hk: hoary?
[09:29] <neom> Well, that's what I was shown at work today by the rep. I took installed frash install, took a windows xp office CD, installed it, and ran it. And then he took a half life cd, installed it and ran it.
[09:29] <hk> nope
[09:29] <klaym> guess hoary live cd's aren't yet ou
[09:29] <hk> Warty
[09:29] <mcphail> neom: try CrossoverOffice on any distro
[09:29] <klaym> out yet*
[09:29] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: hl at what speed?
[09:30] <neom> mcphail - That's not the point.
[09:30] <LinuxJones> neom, they probably have wine or crossover plugin configured to work with those apps
[09:30] <hk> klaym, is there a way I can already request it ? (it took some months to warthy :P)
[09:30] <mcphail> neom: isn't that what is running in xandros???
[09:30] <hk> warty*
[09:31] <neom> Well, he said they build the os to run windows applications. And he told me that if we implment it, it would run everything we currently run on windows.
[09:31] <neom> mc - Not that I am aware of.
[09:31] <neom> But I odn't know.
[09:31] <klaym> hk: I don't know
[09:32] <neom> Anyway, what I was asking was, has anyone seen this implemented on a wide scale. I've only seen it on one pc from a company rep.. I wondered if anyone else has seen it running.
[09:32] <Phoenix[SPH] > what's the point anyway to beeing able to run the latest windows viruses on linux?
[09:32] <neom> That was my next question.
[09:32] <mcphail> neom: I've never used Xandros but I believe the subscription fee covers the cost of Crossover.
[09:32] <neom> I asked the rap that and he kinda avoided the question.
[09:33] <neom> *rep
[09:33] <mcphail> neom: give me a minute and i'll find a link about the viruses...
[09:33] <Phoenix[SPH] > make a good port of your business applications - or reevaluate the market for other solutions.... be even ready to say goodby to clippy the friendly office assistant...
[09:34] <LinuxJones> neom, what kind of apps does your company typically run ?
[09:34] <LinuxJones> neom, Internet Explorer, Office etc ??
[09:35] <neom> yup
[09:35] <mcphail> neom: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss
[09:35] <neom> We have a few specalized applications that we run. But those actually I have connected to our linux server.
[09:35] <jasonf> If I give someone a /bin/nologin shell, can they still scp?
[09:35] <Phoenix[SPH] > mcphail: I read about it :) one virus was able to suck some cpu cycles, but nothing more...
[09:36] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: do you own the source?
[09:36] <bluefoxicy>   CC [M]   net/unix/garbage.o
[09:37] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , maybe all windows users should run Windows via Linux using emulation :D
[09:37] <Phoenix[SPH] > jasonf: maybe - scp is imho handled by a sshd submodule... but try it....
[09:37] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: better this way, than the other way around....
[09:37] <LinuxJones> heh
[09:38] <mz2> now if only the majority of actual win apps would work on wine any better than the viruses :)
[09:38] <Phoenix[SPH] > one click in vmware and all your viruses are gone....
[09:38] <neom> No, we don't own the source.
[09:39] <Phoenix[SPH] > nz2: seriously, what are you missing? clippy? msn messanger? os activation?
[09:39] <deltaoo> hi...
[09:39] <mcphail> mz2: Crossover is very good... (and switches off clippy by default)
[09:39] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: well, why don't you own the source when they are "custom company applications"?
[09:39] <deltaoo> Help.. i gots ubuntu and want to install anjuta - but can't seem to get the config to run...
[09:40] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: vmware, wine, other software or a good programmer are you alternatives I guess...
[09:40] <mz2> Phoenix[SPH] , am not really missing anything, I've been running Linux happily for a few years now :) but whenever I randomly try out simple stuff with Wine, nothing ever really works perfectly (well fair enough, by reverse-engineering that's bound to be the case)
[09:40] <neom> It's a general application that is customized for our company.
[09:41] <mz2> mcphail, lol, does it really switch off clippy? :D
[09:41] <mcphail> Yup
[09:41] <mz2> lol
[09:42] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: well, maybe the software manufactuer is willing to port it to unix/linux....
[09:42] <neom> I was thinking I might install ubuntu on all our terminas instead and make them use open office.
[09:43] <deltaoo> can someone please help
[09:43] <mcphail> I prefer OO.o to Office. The Ubuntu version is particularly nice
[09:43] <neom> Phoenix[SPH]  -It iwas ported to linux, we have to run it via a putty like system. That is why I was asking about this xandors, because all our custom apps would run, and the n00bs could run their lame windows applications.
[09:44] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , I'm interested in seeing the database program that's going to be in OOo 2.
[09:45] <Tux-Rox> Anyone have experience in hooking up gdeskcal with Evolution?
[09:45] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: just to get it straight: you have all your business applications ready for linux, you have and office application, a browser, a mailprogramm.... but still need windows, so that the users see a "based on NT Technology" - so they get the fuzzy warm feeling of beeing at home, and having their msn messanger?
[09:45] <neom> got it!!
[09:45] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: the database philosophy of OO is quite nice - but sucks if you have a lot of data sources... IMHO...
[09:47] <neom> Me too.
[09:47] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: well I understand me.... it's like for me having windows, knowing not to be able to run mutt.... what would I do without mutt...
[09:47] <Phoenix[SPH] > s/me/them/
[09:48] <deltaoo> can anyone assist with installing Anjuta on Ubuntu? please?
[09:48] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: so you even run an X-Server on Windows or are the apps text based?
[09:48] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, are you running warty or hoary ?
[09:48] <mcphail> deltaoo: never tried. sorry
[09:48] <neom> text based.
[09:48] <neom> They do have cute ascii gfx though. :D
[09:49] <darkkyo> anyone can i help me for resolve a problem with my fresh setup of ubuntu?
[09:49] <Phoenix[SPH] > :)
[09:49] <Halo> what's the problem?
[09:49] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, shoot !!
[09:49] <neom> I'm thinking maybe I'll install ubuntu and see if they notice.
[09:49] <darkkyo> i have no optimisation for my HDs or my CD/DVD
[09:50] <Halo> what drives do you have?
[09:50] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, what does hdparm /dev/hda output ?
[09:50] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: well, install linux over night, and write a big letter on the front door, that the first ten employee who will pass a company-internal-linux test will get a 10% salary raise... IMHO money solve almost every problem....
[09:50] <darkkyo> hdparm no i have no install this for the moment can resolve this ?
[09:50] <neom> LOL
[09:50] <neom> Not a bad idea.
[09:51] <deltaoo> I unzipped the Anjuta. tried to do ./configure and I complained that I configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:51] <mcphail> deltaoo: have you installed gcc?
[09:51] <Phoenix[SPH] > thoses who fall 3 times can search another job >;P
[09:51] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, you can install anjuta using apt-get
[09:51] <Phoenix[SPH] > fail
[09:51] <darkkyo> but for the chipset of my mainboard can i install the driver chipset for this on ubuntu?
[09:51] <darkkyo> i have a via chipset
[09:52] <neom> Well, we work in technology, so I don't think it would be too much of a problem.
[09:52] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, have you tried one of the live cd 's ?
[09:53] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: you live in Canada? Where exacly?
[09:53] <darkkyo> no the live cd is bug for me before i set the network but i install the ubuntu warty 4.10 install cd 1
[09:53] <neom> Fort Frances, it's in the very North West of Ontario.
[09:53] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, so you have installed or you are going to install Qarty ?
[09:54] <LinuxJones> err Warty
[09:55] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, do you have IDE hard drives ?
[09:55] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: I played with the thought of doing some bigger stay in canada, and possibly do some work there to get some money... but somehow got the impression that there are not that much of IT jobs available... but didn't any decent research...
[09:55] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, :)
[09:55] <Phoenix[SPH] > with Linux...
[09:55] <darkkyo> :) yes LinuxJones
[09:56] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , there are NO IT jobs in Canada
[09:56] <deltaoo> I unzipped the Anjuta. tried to do ./configure and I complained that I configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:56] <neom> Well, in the place I live there are -lots-.
[09:56] <deltaoo> help...help...
[09:56] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, you will only need hdparm
[09:56] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: ;)
[09:56] <darkkyo> okay i apt-get install this :)
[09:56] <mcphail> deltaoo: do you have a compiler installed?
[09:56] <neom> The local school board just hired a new tech at $40,000/yr.
[09:56] <snowblink> deltaoo: sudo apt-get install anjuta
[09:56] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, why do you need to compile anjuta ?
[09:57] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, it should be installed by default
[09:57] <Phoenix[SPH] > Well, I have no clue what's 40 ca $ are worth...
[09:57] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, sudo -s
[09:57] <deltaoo> mcphail : I don;t know.. I'm new to linux .. about 2 hours
[09:57] <darkkyo> but the drivers chipset via build by via is not recommend?
[09:57] <darkkyo> yes sudo -s before ;)
[09:57] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , 1 Canadian dollar is like .85 cents US
[09:57] <mcphail> deltaoo: follow the apt-get advice
[09:58] <deltaoo> LinuxJones : I need an IDE. .to try some development.. and dont' know how
[09:58] <darkkyo> but i configure this for optimizing my different Hs
[09:58] <Phoenix[SPH] > okay, 1.22 SwissFranks are 1 US$
[09:58] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, ok apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:58] <deltaoo> mcphail : whats the apt-get?
[09:58] <Phoenix[SPH] > but I have no clue what kind of living you get with 40 ca$
[09:58] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, that's ok you jsut need to lean how to get synaptic up and running. It's the graphical front end used to install software
[09:58] <darkkyo> mcphail it's the management packages system of the debian distribution :)
[09:59] <mcphail> darkkyo: i know ;)
[10:00] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, you first have to open a gnome-terminal, hit Alt + F2
[10:00] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, can you please..please explain how to set it
[10:00] <jasonf> is there a way to allow anonymous SCP?
[10:00] <deltaoo> oh..ok
[10:00] <mcphail> deltaoo: you can use apt-get (and the synaptic graphical front-end) to install tons of programs
[10:00] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, type gnome-terminal, when you have a terminal session opened type sudo -s (enter your user password)
[10:01] <deltaoo> wait.. alt+z did not work
[10:01] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, no it's Alt + F2
[10:01] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: where are you living?
[10:01] <LinuxJones> it's like the run dialog from Windows
[10:02] <olimar> Hi all i am thinking of making an Arabic spinn off of Ubuntu
[10:02] <olimar> can someone point me to some docs on this matter?
[10:02] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
[10:02] <olimar> translating ubuntu or something like that?
[10:02] <deltaoo> ok.. I went to .. Applications/System Tools/Terminal ?? is this the same thing?
[10:02] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, yes that's ok
[10:03] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, type sudo -s (enter your user password)
[10:03] <deltaoo> ok.. now what?
[10:03] <Deft> has anyone here had any luck with getting eclipse to run?
[10:04] <mmoyer> olimar: you might check out https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RosettaReleaseAnnouncement
[10:04] <deltaoo> Its given me. root@computername:~ #
[10:04] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, perfect
[10:04] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, type synaptic
[10:04] <divid> Deft: yes
[10:04] <Adrenal> damn, year 11 is the hard
[10:05] <deltaoo> ok.. its opened the synapic GUI..
[10:05] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, great
[10:05] <Deft> divid, did you run in any error boxes on startup?
[10:05] <deltaoo> and now?
[10:05] <snowblink> LinuxJones: gksudo synaptic - why make him open a root shell?
[10:05] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, go Settings >> Repositories
[10:05] <deltaoo> ok..
[10:06] <LinuxJones> snowblink, I am showing him how to get to an admin console
[10:06] <snowblink> LinuxJones: you showed him how to open a root shell. Synaptic is accessible via the menus or gksudo.
[10:06] <deltaoo> btw. I can get to this from the computer menu? why did I have to terminal window it?
[10:06] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, see the line starting with cdrom ?? Uncheck the box on that line
[10:06] <neom> Phoenix[SPH]  The head of ICT for the board makes $58,000. And he has a huge house and 2 crs etc.
[10:06] <LinuxJones> snowblink, yeah and ?
[10:07] <divid> Deft: Only if I have not exported $PATH so that 'java' is in my current path
[10:07] <deltaoo> LinuxJones : Ok unchecked?
[10:07] <snowblink> LinuxJones: Why make him do that when there are safer easier options?
[10:07] <larsrohdin> hi, i've just started using fluxbox. I would like some help on how to change my wallpaper. I've read that it has something to do with fbsetbg... but i don't understand what that is... any ideas?
[10:08] <Phoenix[SPH] > okay... math tells me that 1CHF is about 1 Ca$ - I have about the salary your ICT head has, but are way appart from a house or 2 cars....
[10:08] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, click the line directly below and add universe to the section line @ botton so the line reads >> main restricted universe
[10:08] <olimar> thanx mmoyer
[10:09] <Deft> divid, mine looks more like a classpath error than path... thanks anyway
[10:09] <jaza> hi
[10:09] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: I read somewhere that it's custom to get a "check" for you salary - so it's not transfered electronicaly from the account of the company to your private - is that true?
[10:09] <jaza> how do i edit my xconfig
[10:09] <jaza> ??
[10:09] <jaza> cmd plz :)
[10:10] <Phoenix[SPH] > jaza: vi, joe or nano
[10:10] <jaza> ?
[10:10] <jaza> what?
[10:10] <Deft> jaza, do you want the automatic setup to run again?
[10:10] <jaza> gedit /../../x86free-4 or something??
[10:10] <jaza> no edit the cfg
[10:10] <neom> Phoenix[SPH]  - I get mine done via direct debit (electronic) byt a few people I know still get checks.
[10:10] <jaza> how?
[10:11] <Deft> then sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86... is the file
[10:11] <neom> A guy I work with, he still gets his via check.
[10:11] <jaza> thnx
[10:11] <iocaste> I'm trying to run the Ubuntu Live CD (PPC). Seemed to be booting up OK, now I've got a blank screen.
[10:11] <Deft> (can't remember the whole name, type that much and tab it)
[10:11] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, the line deb ( immediatly below the cdrom drive now is sections main restricted universe
[10:11] <iocaste> using a G3 iMac DVSE
[10:11] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, click OK then click Reload in upper left hand corner
[10:11] <Adrenal> could anyone shed some light on as to why my soundcard seems to be reacting, with static, to the moves made on my screen. IE- A white window comes up, static accompanies it
[10:11] <bitfoo> direct deposit is the way to go :|
[10:11] <jaza> danke
[10:12] <deltaoo> its downloading
[10:12] <neom> If I get a bonus, it always comes via check, not direct debit.
[10:12] <Deft> Adrenal, just with ubuntu? sounds more like your monitor isn't well shielded
[10:12] <bitfoo> i still get deposit receipts in the mail from direct deposit
[10:12] <bitfoo> from work :|
[10:13] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, where are you? and can you advise on development ( while the download goes on) ?
[10:13] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, you mean wher edo I live ?
[10:13] <neom> I get pay stubs.
[10:13] <divid> Deft: NP. It works for me without doing anything more than 'export PATH=$PATH:/opt/jdk1.5.0/bin/' and the occasional '/opt/eclipse/eclipse' ... :-)
[10:13] <Adrenal> Deft: probably it, anything i can do to...make it more shieldy?
[10:13] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: what does a "huge house" cost in ca
[10:13] <Phoenix[SPH] > the one like the head of ICT of yours has...
[10:14] <Deft> Adrenal, just try moving the speakers away, see if it clears up
[10:14] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , depends on what location
[10:14] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, Yes?
[10:14] <Adrenal> Deft: using headphones
[10:14] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, I'm in Nova Scotia, Canada
[10:14] <Deft> Adrenal, try and keep the cable away from the monitor then
[10:14] <Adrenal> Deft: bah, getting lcd soon anyway.  With a bat
[10:15] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: here in switzerland you the major problem is to own some ground you are allowed to build living space - well it's not a problem, it's a mere question of money....
[10:15] <Adrenal> Deft: hey, it worked, thanks
[10:15] <deltaoo> LinuxJones,  cool. Ok. the downloads done?
[10:15] <neom> Phoenix[SPH]  To buy out right, about $150,00 to $200,00. Most people mortage.
[10:15] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, click search then type anhuta
[10:15] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, err anjuta
[10:15] <deltaoo> I did a search and its found Anjuta
[10:15] <deltaoo> thanx found it ... now what?
[10:15] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, awesome double click it
[10:16] <Adrenal> well, i'll see you all later. Have a good one
[10:16] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, then click Apply, Anjuta will be downloaded and installed for you
[10:17] <neom> (shoul be an extra zero on each of those prices)
[10:17] <jeramy> neom: I think you're missing a zero.  ;)
[10:17] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: for that money you might get a flat (is this the right word?) here in switzerland...
[10:17] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , same here, unless your family has land to give to you it's going to be expensive :D
[10:17] <deltaoo> done.. it came up with a Mark for installation. I said .. Mark and ok>> now what?
[10:17] <neom> whaaat?
[10:17] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, yes c
[10:17] <iocaste> does anyone know when the winning design will be announced for the Ubuntu website design comp?
[10:17] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, : huh?? yes c??
[10:18] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , It depends where you are, of course.  I'm in Ottawa, and I bought a house in the summer for $210000
[10:18] <neom> I pay $600/mth for my flat (apartment)
[10:18] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, yes that will resolve any dependencies and install any additional software that anjuta requires like gcc for example
[10:18] <neom> jeramy - 210,000?
[10:18] <LinuxJones> jeramy, Ottawa is very expensive :)
[10:18] <jeramy> yep
[10:19] <darkkyo> LinuxJones,  i view my hd is set to DMA but i have a problem my system is slow T_T
[10:19] <deltaoo> oh.. the apply button.. on the menu.. :) found it clicked it.. its downloaing..:)
[10:19] <neom> how many sqr ft?
[10:19] <jeramy> 1200, not including the basement
[10:19] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: how many rooms?
[10:19] <jeramy> My cousin is an hour west (Renfrew) and theirs was $90000
[10:19] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, that's all there is to it :)
[10:20] <darkkyo> i have installed nvidia driver built for the ubuntu and i set up this right i see the FAQ
[10:20] <deltaoo> will this do the gtk kit too?
[10:20] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: how many rooms / square meters?
[10:20] <jeramy> Um... lots?
[10:20] <deltaoo> btw. do u know the Anjuta IDE?
[10:20] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, yes
[10:20] <Yapser> PHA.
[10:20] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, no I don't sorry :(
[10:20] <Phoenix[SPH] > feet?! I though canadians have the metric system?
[10:21] <neom> About the name In my town, you could prolly get a house almost twice the size as jeramys for the same price.
[10:21] <jeramy> 3 bedrooms, 2.5 bathrooms, living room, eating area, family room, kitchen, laundry room
[10:21] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, you can run top to see if some application or service is hogging all of your resources
[10:21] <jeramy> Yeah, well Fort Frances is in the middle of nowhere.  ;)
[10:21] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, its now opened a terminal window and appling changes? is this good?
[10:21] <jeramy> We're about 50/50 on the metric system
[10:21] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, it has finished downloading and is now installing. This is a good thing :)
[10:22] <deltaoo> ok.. umm now where is it??
[10:22] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, has it finished installing ?
[10:22] <neom> jeramy I'm quite happy to buy a 2300sqr/ft house for the same price as you paid for yours and live in a small town. :D
[10:23] <darkkyo> i view in system monitor i have not service or application hoggig all ressources
[10:23] <deltaoo> LinuxJones,  Yes
[10:23] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, ok check the applications menu to see if there is a programming entry
[10:23] <darkkyo> i think i have a CPU K7 but i have no compiled or installed a new kernel with the optimization for my architecture
[10:24] <darkkyo> i have to test before this installation, the kernel for k7 but it still not work for me on reboot T_T
[10:24] <Phoenix[SPH] > hmmm... 9 sqft are about 1sqm... hmmm 1200 sqft are about 130 square meters....right?
[10:24] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, NO!
[10:24] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, it will show up. Hit Alt + F2 and type anjuta
[10:25] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, it will auto complete as you type then hit enter
[10:25] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , roughly 111m2 for the top two floors
[10:25] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, It was not in the list.. bbut did work... WOOOHhoooo!
[10:26] <deltaoo> now do I do the same for Glade?
[10:26] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, sometimes it takes a few minutes to appear, It will show up on it's own
[10:26] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, yes
[10:26] <jeramy> Add another 35m2 for the basement, plus single-car garage
[10:27] <Deft> is there anyone from canonical here and not busy?
[10:27] <deltaoo> Thanx..Is there anyway I can store this channel / server somewhere so I can find it again?
[10:27] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, if i compiled or apt-get install a kernel for my K7 architecture can i resolve this?
[10:27] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: are you living alone there - I mean, is it a "one family house"?
[10:28] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, go to www.ubuntuguide.org lots of great stuff there :)
[10:28] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, did you upgrade all of your software using apt-get or synaptic ?
[10:28] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , Yes, it's a single-family house, not attached to anything else.
[10:29] <deltaoo> ok.. I gots to go for a few minutes.. be back soon.. btw whats the anti virus for Linux??
[10:29] <darkkyo> yes all software update apt-get & synaptic
[10:29] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, you do not need virus software for Linux :)
[10:29] <|QuaD-_> just picked up linux format, ubuntu got rated #9 :(
[10:29] <|QuaD-_> debian #4
[10:30] <|QuaD-_> mandrake #1 ... LOL
[10:30] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, I do not know what could be the problem. You could try a new kernel version, anything is possible :D
[10:30] <jeramy> deltaoo, you only need AV if you're running a mail server that processes Windows e-mail (to filter the e-mail for them, not for the Linux box)
[10:30] <darkkyo> ok thank a lot LinuxJones
[10:30] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD-_: by what metrics?
[10:30] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, :)
[10:30] <|QuaD-_> HrdwrBoB: they ranked distros
[10:31] <HrdwrBoB> based on..
[10:31] <mcphail> |QuaD-_: i've always found Mandrake #1 for bugs
[10:31] <neom> well, I should prolly do some work.
[10:31] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-_, that's like Linux Journal Magazine always pimping SuSe and it's slow bloatware.
[10:31] <|QuaD-_> mcphail: haha... yeah... instability
[10:31] <|QuaD-_> LinuxJones: true
[10:31] <neom> bye guys.
[10:32] <Anubis> Having a hard time getting Real player working properly
[10:32] <jeramy> ciao
[10:32] <|QuaD-_> it liked suse also, gave it #2
[10:32] <Anubis> I can only start it via its script
[10:32] <Anubis> not by typing "realplay"
[10:32] <HrdwrBoB> ranking ubuntu that far below debian shows that the reviewer is smoking some serious crack
[10:32] <|QuaD-_> my html isn't working :( this darmn form !!!
[10:32] <mcphail> SuSE is worth it for the manuals
[10:32] <|QuaD-_> HrdwrBoB: haha... unless they like kde
[10:33] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD-_: perhaps, though KDE is available for ubuntu and the kubuntu project is getting underway
[10:33] <LinuxJones> mcphail, they have always had great documentation. I bought a copy of SuSe 7.2 and it had like 3 manuals :D
[10:34] <mcphail> I think I'd have stuggled with Linux as a n00b if it wasn't for SuSE...
[10:34] <jeramy> I've always had trouble with urpmi on Mandrake, and I've never been able to get X up and running on Debian.  :(
[10:34] <|QuaD-_> HrdwrBoB: once kubuntu is more mature.... i think ubuntu will start doing better
[10:34] <darkkyo> i know where i have a problem now is this the drivers of my nvidia card it is recognize a PCI O_O i have an agp card
[10:34] <mcphail> Getting rid of KDE was the best thing I've done in ages
[10:34] <Deft> what is planned for kubuntu? a seperate install cd with kde, but otherwise all the same thing?
[10:34] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD-_: I'm not really sure about that but eh... possibly in the LF reviews it will :)
[10:34] <|QuaD-_> mcphail: its the worst thing i have done
[10:34] <mcphail> why?
[10:34] <|QuaD-_> i miss kpim/kdeveloper
[10:35] <HrdwrBoB> Deft: still not 100%
[10:35] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: the cheapest single-family house I was able to find in switzerland - that is at least 100m2 is about 400'000.-
[10:35] <jeramy> I still use K3B, even though it looks out of placy
[10:35] <HrdwrBoB> Deft: though kde will not be on the main CD
[10:35] <jeramy> place
[10:35] <LinuxJones> I used to run KDE until I tried Ubuntu and I would never switch back now :D
[10:35] <mcphail> I never got much mileage from KDevelop
[10:35] <|QuaD-_> kde is soo much cleaner... it is more of an environment imho
[10:35] <|QuaD-_> mcphail: what you use?
[10:36] <mcphail> just vim
[10:36] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD-_: cleaner!?
[10:36] <HrdwrBoB> oy vey
[10:36] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: You never used Gnome before Ubuntu?
[10:36] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , There's a family south of Ottawa who moved from Switzerland about 10 years ago.  They sold their 2 acre farm, and bought a HUGE house and several hundred acres of land here.
[10:36] <Anubis> enter the prefix for symbolic links [/usr] : .........
[10:36] <Anubis> does Ubuntu use /usr/local?
[10:37] <jeramy> no
[10:37] <|QuaD-_> no question gnome is faster... but i like kde looks wise
[10:37] <mcphail> KDE hurts my eyes
[10:37] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , I tried it here and there but never for  any extended period of time. I would not run anything else now :D
[10:37] <|QuaD-_> i mean... I am not impressed wiht evolution
[10:37] <|QuaD-_> and there are no other email clients
[10:37] <|QuaD-_> other than thunderbird
[10:37] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: well, HUGE is relative ;)
[10:37] <jeramy> True.  Enough for their 11 kids.  :)
[10:37] <|QuaD-_> i wish that someone would package sunbird to make it so i can have a pim
[10:37] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: acres.... 10x10 meters = 1 acre?
[10:38] <jeramy> I don't know.  :)
[10:38] <mcphail> |QuaD-_: it's all apples and oranges really. Each to their own taste. Can't you install KDE from Ubuntu?
[10:38] <Phoenix[SPH] > |QuaD-_: mutt... it's very clean.... take not much memory... ssh friendly....
[10:38] <darksatanic> Phoenix[SPH] : No, I think that's an are. An acre is an imperial unit.
[10:39] <|QuaD-_> mcphail: yeah
[10:39] <|QuaD-_> Phoenix[SPH] : some things i prefer gui for
[10:39] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: well' depends if there are 4 kids in one room ;) but I think I got it....
[10:39] <|QuaD-_> webbrowser, pim and im i need gui for
[10:39] <jeramy> One hectare is 2.471 acres
[10:39] <Phoenix[SPH] > if canadian mean HUGE like americans... than it's SUPER HUGE for swiss....
[10:39] <jeramy> oh, I got that backward
[10:40] <mcphail> I always used Evolution with KDE
[10:40] <jeramy> No, I didn't.  ;)
[10:40] <mmoyer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acre
[10:40] <blk> Phoenix[SPH] : hey, i'm swiss - it's not that small ;)
[10:40] <Phoenix[SPH] > |QuaD-_: :)
[10:40] <|QuaD-_> i never liked evolution
[10:41] <pik_txu> y qq ?
[10:41] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : How long did it take before you were happy with your muttrc?
[10:41] <website> does anybody know how to set up an epson c84 ? ('ve already looked ath the forum and i've already the gimprint-driver package installed)
[10:42] <Phoenix[SPH] > blk: sorry - I lost the thread... what's not that small?
[10:42] <blk> Phoenix[SPH] : switzerland
[10:43] <Phoenix[SPH] > snowblink: about 2 weeks... but it took evolution to be 1.4 to be usable for me... so evo took longer :)
[10:44] <Phoenix[SPH] > snowblink: and mutt is in certain things still better... but lacks certain features I really miss from evo.....
[10:44] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : I'm switching between mutt, Thunderbird, Evolution, and kmail at the moment. Mutt is currently favourite.
[10:44] <Phoenix[SPH] > blk: I bet switzerland is about the size those lakes have south of ontario....
[10:45] <jeramy> which lake?
[10:45] <mcphail> What are the benefits of mutt?
[10:45] <website> thanks problem solved
[10:46] <Phoenix[SPH] > snowblink: I use mutt with multiple imap accounts - and this is a little bit sucky...  it took me some time to find our how to make it work - but most of at it does not cache headers... so it takes ages to open a mailbox... that's where I see my collegues at work smile.... but nobody writes an email faster than me  once the headers are downloaded :)
[10:47] <wmealing> anyone know if the ppc live CD boots ?
[10:47] <Phoenix[SPH] > http://www.etourist.ca/maps/ shows some water south of ontario
[10:47] <Phoenix[SPH] > mcphail: text based
[10:48] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : Someone mentioned something about offlineimap - that might help your speed
[10:48] <jeramy> Ah.  Switzerland is twice the size of Lake Ontario, the smallest of the 5 Great Lakes.
[10:48] <mcphail> Phoenix[SPH] : I presume if someone sends you html mail it will mess up?
[10:49] <Grev> any way to get x.org in Warty?
[10:49] <Deft> Grev, not without far too much trouble
[10:49] <jeramy> Grev, only with much pain and agony
[10:49] <Phoenix[SPH] > snowblink: yeah, there are patches... but the developers of mutt are/were a little bit asleep and debian does not use the patch.... and I would not have to use a distro if I would compile every other package on my own....
[10:50] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: so it defenitly fits into one of the other four....
[10:50] <Grev> ouch, thanks
[10:50] <Grev> is Gnome stablizing in Hoary?
[10:51] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : offlineimap is a separate program
[10:51] <Phoenix[SPH] > mcphail: nope... it does not mess.... it's neatly displayed in my favorite html mail viewe (w3m) but - I reject html mail anyway... why bloat text by 800% for the same content?
[10:51] <jeramy> Grev, I'm running Hoary right now, and it seems very stable to me... (this is just my opinion)
[10:51] <mcphail> Phoenix[SPH] : i don't disagree for one minute!
[10:52] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : Still have to play with hooks
[10:52] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , no, lake Erie isn't much bigger than Ontario.  ;)