[08:58] <mup> Issue operator#416 opened: Introspection for events <Created by balbirthomas> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/416>
[10:11] <bthomas> Requesting review for https://github.com/canonical/prometheus-operator/pull/1 . Just a readme.md change with no code changes.
[10:11] <mup> PR prometheus-operator#1: Updated readme with simple instructions <Created by balbirthomas> <https://github.com/canonical/prometheus-operator/pull/1>


[05:10] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:04] <Danaid52> hey
[06:05] <Danaid52> Guess why linus torvald don't use Ubuntu? ...because it's rustea enough.
[06:05] <Danaid52> due to the crown of finland prefering tea of covfefe. lol
[06:06] <Danaid52> +nut -> NUT rustea enough.
[12:39] <ice99> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/02/real-time-ubuntu-kernel-general-availability
[12:39] <ice99> if there is a way to have faster response, why it's not provided to the desktop version too?
[12:48] <Jeremy31> !hwe
[12:57] <ice99> if there is a way to have faster response, why it's not provided to the desktop version too?    https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/02/real-time-ubuntu-kernel-general-availability
[12:57] <ice99> sorry for the repost
[18:01] <arraybolt3> Vote on it, how likely is pi_ to post a random command again?
[18:03]  * arraybolt3 yawns and goes to do something productive rather than griping about trolls and possibly copypasta errors
[18:03] <oerheks> budu is an ancient bot..
[18:10] <tomreyn> arraybolt3: i *think* pi did this before, right? can't remember it exactly, though
[18:11] <arraybolt3> Me neither though it sounds vaguely familiar.
[18:11] <arraybolt3> (FWIW there are official Debian images for the RPi so they might be running real Debian.)
[18:12] <tomreyn> also i seem to remember they did ask actual support questions in #ubuntu previously
[18:12] <tomreyn> so i'm not convinced this is intended abuse, yet
[18:13] <arraybolt3> Meh, I'm not convinced it's not, but then again I had to deal with a troll in the #ubuntu:matrix.org Matrix room last night who was very... stubborn? when I tried to give them a warning about trolling behavior rather than just banning them on the spot.
[18:14] <arraybolt3> So I may be a bit touchy this morning.
[18:14] <arraybolt3> (Nothing like having to fight with someone over what is and isn't an insult literally just before you go to bed.)
[18:18] <tomreyn> i'm not sure how this is being handled on matrix. IMO, in IRC land, when things are stated clearly in a document you can refer to, and you're ready to be challenged on your moderation choices (by the moderating group and others), this discussion doesn't need to be had, at least not initially. it puts a burden on you to explain yourself (which can be abused) and continues to distract on the channel.
[18:21] <arraybolt3> tomreyn: I did it in DM so it wouldn't clutter things.
[18:21] <tomreyn> oh i see
[18:22] <arraybolt3> I guess we don't have a specific rulesheet, but from what I've seen we adhere to the Matrix CoC, Ubuntu CoC, and if you spam, scam, or troll, the mods take action.
[18:22] <arraybolt3> I guess we *could* spell everything out, but really it seems like those are things that most reasonable people should avoid anyway.
[18:24] <tomreyn> i agree
[20:00] <muhammad> Hello
[20:00] <muhammad> Gays-morning
[20:01] <arraybolt3> muhammad: o/
[20:01] <arraybolt3> I don't know what gays-morning means.
[20:03] <muhammad> O-sorry-my-english-bad-
[20:03] <muhammad> Im-from-dagestan
[20:04] <oerheks> Netherlands here, what ubuntu version are you using?
[20:05] <muhammad> 22.04-lts
[20:05] <arraybolt3> US here, kinda cool that real-time chat can work over that wide of an area.
[20:07] <muhammad> I'm from Russia-
[20:08] <muhammad> Amazing-how-this-chat works
[20:09] <muhammad> arraybolt3
[20:09] <muhammad> o/
[20:10] <muhammad> kxm
[20:10] <muhammad> @user/Gay
[20:10] <arraybolt3> Ever tried one of the non-LTS releases?
[20:11] <muhammad> I-have-a-homeless-computer, no-unfortunately
[20:13] <muhammad> (~pauljw@gateway/vpn/pia/pauljw)
[20:13] <muhammad> I'm still new to Linux and would like to learn a lot about it
[20:15] <muhammad> arraybolt3@
[20:16] <arraybolt3> muhammad: When you type someone's name, it pings them, and generally pinging people is considered impolite unless you have to say something to that specific person. For most general chat, just saying what you have to say is enough, and anyone can answer.
[20:17] <muhammad> Fine(
[20:17] <oerheks> ubuntu fullcircle & magazine https://fullcirclemagazine.org/  -- https://www.ubuntumagazine.com/
[20:18] <oerheks> one is about africa, other about linux 🤣
[20:20] <muhammad> hahaha lol
[20:24] <muhammad> ОГО(


[04:18] <darkxst> octoquad, thanks
[04:18] <darkxst> octoquad, btw any bugs which are feature requests get marked wishlist
[08:23] <flexiondotorg> darkxst, Are you participating in 15.10 Beta 1?
[08:24] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, didnt ali already update the wiki page? yes we are
[08:25] <flexiondotorg> Thanks.
[08:25] <flexiondotorg> Just double checking. I'm helping with the flavour releases again.
[08:25] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, although I might just run off and hide in a corner, it could be bad, with some big updates in the last week that havent really been tested widely
[08:26] <flexiondotorg> darkxst, You and me both ;-)
[08:26] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, great thanks for helping again
[08:27] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, but I made it onto ubuntu-desktop team
[08:27] <darkxst> next stop could be core-dev, at which point I would probably have the permissions to flick the buttons on the other side
[08:27] <flexiondotorg> darkxst, Cool.  I feel the pain with Bluez5 too.
[08:38] <darkxst> next up will be gnome-user-share and I'm just waiting on reports that the sharing panel is completely stuffed atm
[08:39] <flexiondotorg> Bluetooth is still pretty busted in Ubuntu MATE 15.10. Looks like 16.04 it will finally be sorted.
[08:39] <darkxst> lots of things are busted, because the touch team can't keep up with the changes!
[08:40] <darkxst> network-manager 1.0 release and packagekit 1.0 are noticeably missing
[08:41] <flexiondotorg> Yeah. It is amazing just how similar the MATE and GNOME3 requirements are, even today.
[08:41] <flexiondotorg> But I am in a way better situation that you I think.
[08:47] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, but how much isnt forked?
[08:47] <flexiondotorg> Well, Not as much as you'd think now. We've aligned with GNOME3 libs quite extensively.
[08:48] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, so you on gtk3, etc
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> And will continue to do so.
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> darkxst, GTK2 and GTK3 a build targets.
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> In Debian/Ubuntu it is still GTK2 because GTK3 was still considered experimental when MATE 1.10 released.
[08:49] <flexiondotorg> That said, I maintain MATE in Arch Linux and provide GTK2 and GTK3 builds. I've used GTK3 as my main desktop for months, no major issues.
[08:49] <flexiondotorg> Fedora also have a GTK3 build too.
[08:50] <darkxst> gtk3 breaks something every  cycle, still waiting for that to drop in 3.18 though
[08:50] <flexiondotorg> And we've improved GTK3 support signifcantly since 1.10 release just a few months ago. So I expect GTK3 will be stable for 1.12.
[08:50] <flexiondotorg> darkxst, Yes, this is one reason why we've helpd off "promoting" the GTK3 version.
[08:51] <flexiondotorg> We see regressions with every GTK3 release.
[08:51] <darkxst> but really its just the canonical guys don't dog-food the gtk3 updates during dev cycles
[08:52] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, and it has settled down a lot since the early days!
[08:54] <darkxst> the breakage back circa 3.6-3.10 was far worse
[08:55] <flexiondotorg> I agree.
[08:58] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, the biggest issue for us has been getting useful dev's
[08:58] <flexiondotorg> For Ubuntu GNOME specifically?
[08:59] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, yes
[08:59] <flexiondotorg> In what respect? Updating packages and such or coding new features?
[09:01] <darkxst> well both really, noskcaj is great with packaging but can't code
[09:03] <darkxst> most of the interested people to try to come on board have no experience with either ;(
[09:04] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, I know where you're coming from.
[09:04] <flexiondotorg> This is why I do most of my work on MATE in Debian. There is an established developer community around MATE there.
[15:22] <octoquad> darkxst, I marked it as opinion because I remember there was a reason for it being like that (couldn't remember details) and I wasn't sure of implementation problems. In short, up for discussion (opinion) until a resolution has been proposed.
[15:23] <octoquad> darkxst, of those three items I have to work on, do they have to be done this week? I'm not finding much time to help out this week unfortunately.


[15:02] <belal122> Hi,  I'm trying to learn programming with python (never programmed before) but would like to join a project so I can learn as I go.  Can someone point to a good project that is easy for non-programmers like me to look into?
[15:04] <IdleOne> belal122: most people will tell you to pick your favorite application and then see if you can help fix/improve that app.
[15:04] <IdleOne> if you search for Python for beginners, it should give you a bunch of sites to start learning.
[15:06] <belal122> I'm actually using codecademy which is pretty cool.  but yes I would like to start with an application.  i'm having trouble finding an app that is made with python
[15:10] <IdleOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts
[15:10] <IdleOne> you could start here ^
[15:10] <IdleOne> papercuts are small bugs, good for beginners
[15:16] <belal122> Thanks!


[00:01] <TheMuso> maco: There is also making sure labels are correctly associated with text entry boxes etc .
[00:01] <TheMuso> I believe glade can help with that if thats the gool in use.
[00:01] <maco> yes it does
[00:01] <maco> it has a "labelled by:" property for radio button and probably text boxes
[00:01] <TheMuso> Ok thats good.
[00:02] <maco> also probably checkboxes
[00:02] <TheMuso> And hopefully also has a "label for" box for labels.
[00:02] <maco> im not sure if you need to inform both widgets...
[00:02] <TheMuso> In atk, I believe you can have either or, and the code I've seen checks for both.
[00:02] <maco> ah ok
[00:03] <maco> i was pretty sure you didnt need to do both though
[00:03] <TheMuso> I am pretty sure too.
[00:03] <maco> anyway, ive just been informed that there are fresh brownies across the street
[00:03] <maco> i have told the brownie-baker's wife to get herself into this channel so her python skills can be put to work
[00:03] <TheMuso> Pitty I am not feeling hungry, only has breakfast a couple of hours ago.
[00:03] <TheMuso> s/has/had/
[00:04] <SeaJay> Brownies? what street?
[00:14] <SeaJay> Well, the two single guys across the street don't know anything about brownies!
[00:16] <TheMuso> lol
[00:35] <annalee> oh yay I spelt it right!
[00:36] <maco> TheMuso: please meet annalee, my friend who knows some python and wants to help
[00:36] <TheMuso> Awesome!
[00:36] <annalee> hi!
[00:36] <annalee> I also have brownies.
[00:37] <maco> she says the word "accessibility" is not accessible to dyslexics
[00:37] <maco> annalee: squishiest keyboard ever
[00:37] <TheMuso> lol
[00:37] <TheMuso> annalee: How familiar are you with python?
[00:38] <maco> she started in may, but its her ferrealz job
[00:38] <annalee> I'm a developer for a django webapp.
[00:39] <TheMuso> Ok cool.
[00:39] <annalee> the sum of my gui experience is identifying a bug a gui problem and running screaming, but I'm happy to learn.
[00:39] <TheMuso> heh ok.
[00:40] <TheMuso> Learning is good, but there is a fair amount to learn when it comes to GUI and accessibility, and I am not sure where to point you to start that process...
[00:40] <TheMuso> Since documentation is lacking.
[00:41] <maco> guess i could start showing her glade
[00:41] <TheMuso> Yep I guess thats a start. The other area is probably how python works with GTK these days, via GObject introspection.
[00:41] <maco> like me, she's a kde user though, so probably both of us should bug fregl about how to make qt do stuff
[00:41] <maco> i havent tried pygi yet :-/
[00:41] <TheMuso> ...which likely requires an understanding of GObject as well.
[00:42] <TheMuso> But yes, glade is a start.
[00:44] <maco> you have no idea how much i miss gobject when told to do normal C
[00:45] <TheMuso> GObject is a minefield to learn, but once known, its great to work with.
[00:53] <maco> just told annalee about "press any key when you see the accessibility icon to turn on the screenreader"
[00:55] <TheMuso> Thats no longer needed.
[00:55] <maco> yeah i was saying "it used to be"
[00:55] <TheMuso> Not for screen reader or high contrast profiles anyway.
[00:55] <maco> is there a beep now? i know theres a ctrl+s thing
[00:55] <TheMuso> Yes, Control + S at the ubiquity screen.
[00:56] <maco> how do you know if youre at the ubiquity screen?
[00:56] <TheMuso> You should hear the drums sound.
[00:57] <maco> ok
[00:58] <TheMuso> bbs out for a bit.
[08:04] <lea_> hello, please could you help me setup zoom working again?
[08:05] <lea_> After update to 11.10 I can no longer have compiz Ezoom working
[08:05] <lea_> I am visually impaired and it is very very hard to read without it
[08:07] <Pendulum> unfortunately, the way Unity 3D is written, compiz plugins don't work on things like the launcher, but they should work on applications. (I'm really going to be bugging the Unity developers about this one this cycle)
[08:08] <lea_> Pendulum, I tryed Ubuntu Classic desktop but it has reset everything.
[08:08] <lea_> I launched ccsm tryed redefining mouse control but it does not work
[08:09] <AlanBell> hi lea_
[08:09] <lea_> Hey Alan, nice to read you
[08:09] <AlanBell> in ccsm I turned on enhanced zoom desktop
[08:10] <AlanBell> and super+mousebutton4 to zoom in and button5 to zoom out
[08:10] <lea_> It is checked on here
[08:10] <lea_> as well à the super+mouse4-5
[08:10] <lea_> as
[08:11] <lea_> I even tryed other shortcuts but it does not want to zoom
[08:13] <lea_> To take the figure I am now so close the screen as 2 inches
[08:15] <lea_> erf
[08:15] <lea_> found out compiz was not launched
[08:15] <lea_> I manually launched compiz --replace
[08:16] <lea_> but now the mouse pointer is gone
[08:16] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/ezoom.png
[08:16] <AlanBell> my ezoom page looks like that
[08:41] <leagris> back
[08:41] <leagris> I had to repair the following for compiz ezoom working
[08:42] <leagris> reconfigure gdm as the default was reset to lightdm not working properly. Reverted to gdm
[08:42] <leagris> Had to add compiz --replace to session start (was removed and not launched)
[08:43] <leagris> Had to reconfigure eZoom shortcuts as it was reset to disabled and none
[08:44] <leagris> Had to reconfigure mouse polling to 10ms as it was reset to 40ms and causing clunky zoom movments
[08:45] <leagris> Please, tell me how/why the ubuntu accessibility team appear to have no voice in ubuntu releases to fix these real stong flaws?
[08:45] <leagris> Please, tell me how these huge accessibility issues continue from versions to versions?
[08:46] <leagris> Please, is the accessibility team really listening and understanding the issues raised by disabled people?
[08:47] <Pendulum> leagris, unfortunately we're trying (the accessibility team), but there are issues with Canonical in terms of being able to have the resources and use them to get accessibility things fixed
[08:47] <Pendulum> part of it is the 6 month release cycle
[08:48] <Pendulum> and part of it is other issues
[08:48] <Pendulum> unfortunately most of the people in this channel aren't developers and don't have access (or ability) to really work on these things. We're working hard to get people who can involved and working, but it's an uphill battle
[08:49] <leagris> Pendulum I really touch this close and concrete
[08:50] <leagris> during the years I took care of filling descriptive bug reports and providing hints
[08:50] <Pendulum> leagris: I'm talking to someone at Canonical about accessibility issues next week, may I reference your problems and your comments about how you feel about the problems you're coming across?
[08:50] <leagris> You'r welcome doing so Pendulum
[08:51] <Pendulum> thanks
[08:52] <leagris> I regularly meet a french Braille linux user group by mailinglist. They report some progress in accessibility to the install progress though
[08:52] <AlanBell> leagris: I was talking to the canonical senior management team last night about accessibility and making it a priority
[08:52] <leagris> Very active and helping group there CBLX
[08:53] <AlanBell> there have just been so many huge changes this cycle and things were so broken through most of it
[08:53] <leagris> By the way, the know little about low sight issues (mostly Braille device users)
[08:54] <leagris> My needs as is, compiz eZoom does it all well to help plenty, depending it is configured and proprely setup to be fully mouse driven and having smooth mouve
[08:55] <leagris> It needs <super> mouse4/5 for zoom change
[08:56] <leagris> It needs 10ms mouse pollings as the default 40ms is too clunky and render things hard to follow on screen
[08:56] <AlanBell> the huge problems have been getting in the way of fixing the smaller issues
[08:56] <AlanBell> I think the 40ms was set up because 10ms was making it unusable on low powered netbooks
[08:57] <AlanBell> I want there to be a general review of the compiz settings, so much of it just isn't set up right
[08:57] <AlanBell> useful things just turned off
[08:57] <leagris> AlanBell, I'm still motivated on helping sustaining you with eZoom enhancments :)
[08:58] <AlanBell> yes, I have a dev box running now, compiz has been too crashy to work on!
[08:58] <AlanBell> I really want to get text tracking zoom done for the LTS
[08:58] <leagris> Tryed Unity
[08:59] <leagris> The Unity icon ribon does not zoom or move with the whole screen
[08:59] <AlanBell> yes, there is a bug about that
[09:00] <AlanBell> they intend to get that working, the problem is getting zoom in to include the launcher, but not zooming out with the workplace switcher
[09:00] <leagris> At least a fix was fond for the <super> modifier
[09:02] <AlanBell> oh, I turned off super as the unity shortcut
[09:02] <AlanBell> because I was using unity in a VM I didn't want super being grabbed by the host
[09:02] <AlanBell> that might be why I didn't have much trouble setting the ezoom shortcuts
[09:03] <leagris> Pendulum, would you agree sharing my email or send me a talkback about the upcoming meeting? lea dot gris at noiraude dot net
[09:05] <Pendulum> leagris: I'll try. I'm not sure how much it'll be a meeting and how much it'll be my listing the current issues so that things are definitely communicated to Canonical. I asked if I could reference you because I need to get them to understand that not only are they losing users over the issue, but people are feeling like they're being led on by promises that aren't be fulfilled
[09:08] <Fudge> AlanBell  new tracking added to ezoom i hear
[09:08] <leagris> Pendulum, my guesses are the Accessibility team shall have a stronger voice in the release work-flow. The key question is, how?
[09:10] <AlanBell> Fudge: really? where?
[09:11] <leagris> There are Ubuntu variants all around. One possible solution would be an accessibility release son the Ubuntu trunk would not interfere. Healthy users hopefully for the most significant part shall not encounter problems with usability things.
[09:11] <AlanBell> leagris: in the next cycle they are going to have more quality checks on stuff *before* it goes in and breaks everything
[09:11] <Fudge> not sure ive got the mail now but i can hunt it up, Bill Cox mailed vinux-dev about it in the git repo for ezoom by memory
[09:12] <AlanBell> and there will generally have less "breaking everything" this cycle
[09:12] <AlanBell> Fudge: ok, interesting, I can't see mcuh in the git repo
[09:13] <Fudge> get back to you mate
[09:14] <leagris> Thinks like customized settings could be included as an option on accessibility. And current user settings shall net be reset at each release as it is now. Evry time I do a release upgrade, my settings are reset to inappropriate defaults.
[09:17] <leagris> Well, geko applications like Firefox still get menu bars with black text over dark grey background. Even healthy sighted people may have trouble reading this ;D
[09:18] <leagris> (Firefox, Thunderbird)
[09:21] <Fudge> AlanBell  got an emai li can forward this to you m8
[09:21] <Fudge> email even
[09:28] <TheMuso> Oo good point. I'll add to my notes about testing that settings from Lucid are properly transfered as much as possible to Precise on upgrade.
[09:32] <AlanBell> Fudge: great<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:38] <webczat> hi
[09:38] <webczat> AlanBell: ping
[09:39] <AlanBell> hi webczat
[09:39] <Fudge> hi webczat , sent AlanBell
[09:39] <webczat> AlanBell: What's the status of lightdm accessibility yet?
[09:40] <AlanBell> webczat: poor right now, TheMuso was looking into why orca doesn't start
[09:42] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Right, and a bug has been filed.
[09:42] <webczat> Is there any chance that when it will be able to start, then the livecd will be updated too?
[09:42] <AlanBell> in the point release 11.10.1
[09:42] <AlanBell> if one gets made
[09:43] <webczat> yeah.
[09:43] <TheMuso> They never do point releases for non-LTSs.
[09:43] <TheMuso> As for fixing the greeter, Orca *could* be hard-coded, however thats not a clean solution.
[09:43] <webczat> actually this one bug could really hurt, because you can have problems if you install ubuntu with a login screen displayed
[09:44] <TheMuso> The proper solution is to start any app that has a .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart, once the org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled gsettings key is enabled.
[09:44] <TheMuso> webczat: I know, but I don't know the greeter code well enough yet to patch this myself. Maybe I should make time for that next week. Hrm.
[09:44]  * TheMuso digs for a bug number.
[09:45] <webczat> oh yeah, but if you'll path it, then after the installation, it probably still won't go until update
[09:45] <AlanBell> webczat: after installing it will boot up and will have selected the primary user
[09:45] <AlanBell> so type the password and you get to the desktop
[09:45] <AlanBell> then do an update and when the bug is fixed, the greeter will be accessible
[09:45] <webczat> hmm, the userlist is displayed only when multiple users are in place?
[09:45] <TheMuso> bug 850554
[09:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 850554 in unity-greeter "Enabling screen reader and on-screen keyboard options from the a11y indicator do not start the application in question." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850554
[09:46] <AlanBell> webczat: user list is displayed, but primary user is selected, it is up and down to select different users
[09:46] <webczat> ahh, so enter, password, enter?
[09:48] <AlanBell> just "password, enter"
[09:48] <webczat> yeah
[09:49] <webczat> also, what do you do if you have 3d drivers, you have installed ubuntu without an accessibility profile, and then you want to work with accessibility and a screenreader? I think 3d is the default.
[09:49] <AlanBell> then you install the ppa with the fixes for Unity 3d
[09:50] <AlanBell> applications will be accessible, just the unity dash and launcher will be silent
 I really want to get text tracking zoom done for the LTS
[09:50] <AlanBell> apinheiro has the ppa
[09:50] <apinheiro> about that, some people are working on adding focus tracking on eZoom plugin
[09:51] <AlanBell> apinheiro: yes, I just found out about that
[09:51] <apinheiro> AFAIK, it is on alpha status right now
[09:55] <AlanBell> I have the code from the git tree, just installing the dependencies to build and test
[10:01] <webczat> AlanBell: I actually meant how to use unity2d then? I may not have admin on the computer at the time
[10:02] <apinheiro> webczat, afaik, unity2d is also installed by default
[10:02] <apinheiro> and at login
[10:02] <apinheiro> you can choose which one you want to use
[10:02] <apinheiro> although of course, this leads to that lightdm issue
[10:03] <TheMuso> Unity-2d is pretty much the same accessibility wise, as Unity 3D with apinheiro's PPA.
[10:04] <TheMuso> Although parts of the dash behave slightly differently with keyboard navigation, somethign that needs to be unified for P.
[10:04] <TheMuso> I.e tab and shift tab move between apps/music etc in 3D, but you need to use the arrow keys and press enter to change between apps/music in unity 2D.
[10:05] <AlanBell> webczat: tab, enter, down, down, enter, tab, password, enter
[10:06] <webczat> yeah
[10:06] <AlanBell> will get you in to unity 2d if default is 3d
[10:06] <webczat> When this bug will be fixed, are you able to start orca yourself quickly?
[10:06] <webczat> I mean starting the accessibility dialog using a keyboard without relying on your actual focus position
[10:07] <AlanBell> there is a menu of things in the top panel, I don't know if there will be a shortcut, like ctrl+s to start it in the installer
[10:09] <TheMuso> I think enabling the screen reader with Control + S in the greeter makes sense.
[10:09] <TheMuso> As for accessing indicators, I'd like to get F10 to access that menu, just like in Unity.
[10:10] <webczat> it's very bad that I need sighted assistance to run a screenreader. on unity, I can at least alt+f2 and type orca
[10:12] <TheMuso> It would be good to eventually allow accessibility profiles to be turned on/off in the desktop, but working out keyboard shortcut commands that don't conflict with app shortcuts is difficult.
[10:14] <Fudge> design an ubuntu keyboard
[10:14] <Fudge> loL
[10:50] <Fudge> would be neet
[10:50] <Fudge> have a kill button for htop, a restart orca key, loL
[10:51] <Fudge> how does one turn volume up or unmute in unity
[10:51] <Fudge> im gettin ready to install but usually i get muted sound first out or when a new kernel gets installed
[11:01] <TheMuso> What about multimedia keys.
[11:01] <TheMuso> Or go into the sound menu, and go to the preferences and do it in there.
[11:25] <Fudge> TheMuso  it didnt actually boot for me so ill try again tomorrow on a decent computer
[11:25] <Fudge> grub did then another screen but no further
[11:25] <Fudge> this kb doesnt have multimedia keys and not  being familiar with unity i wouldnt know how to get to sound menu to unmute
[11:26] <Fudge> does alt f2 run gnome-volume.control still work
[11:26] <TheMuso> No.
[11:27] <TheMuso> Use F10 to get to the menu bar, then arrow over to the sound menu.
[11:28] <Fudge> how many times
[11:28] <Fudge> guessing to the right also
[11:46] <TheMuso> Depends on what gets focus first, so I can't answer that questino I'm affraid.
[11:46] <TheMuso> questino
[11:46] <TheMuso> question
[11:47] <TheMuso> Fudge: You could also do it from the command line like so: pacmd set-sink-volume 0 100%
[11:47] <TheMuso> Or 90/80% to be safe.
[11:56] <Fudge> ah thanks heaps
[15:58] <paul_h1> Hi, I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu 11.10 with the blindness profile. it went fine but now I've rebooted Orca isn't reading the launcher. something is happening because when I press alt+f1 I can no longer tab round the application I'm in and then I can again after pressing escape.  can this be fixed? do I need to switch to a different version of unity? thanks.
[22:49] <Fudge> wel i failed on this box, its a p4. gave the cd over ten minutes, it booted on another quad core but i couldnt get sound
[23:19] <TheMuso> Fudge: If you are trying this at the ubiquity screen, i.e to get speech, press COntrol Alt F1, then run the pacmd command I gave you.
[23:21] <Fudge> TheMuso  i did try that but at a console
[23:21] <Fudge> for some reason it didnt want to boot on this hardware though, is there a vesa option still, thought maybe 2nd option in boot menu
[23:23] <TheMuso> I don't know about the vesa options etc.
[23:24] <TheMuso> I don't have a CD handy to boot and check sorry.
[23:25] <Fudge> thats ok


[04:55] <akgraner> awwww - dang it  - I missed jussi...thanks for the kind words and I'm glad you liked the package :-)
[06:30] <czajkowski> Aloha
[06:36] <jussi> morning czajkowski!
[06:36] <Tm_T> moin
[06:39] <czajkowski> ello
[06:39] <czajkowski> these rugby games are gonna be the death of me
[06:39] <czajkowski> up early again before work
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[07:07] <ejat> morning ..
[07:17] <akgraner> czajkowski, you make me smile when you talk about rugby...your energy is contagious :-)
[07:21] <czajkowski> <3 my rugby
[07:21] <czajkowski> see  my blog
[07:27] <akgraner> I did :-)
[07:53] <kim0> Morning
[08:55] <popey> Morning community.
[08:56] <nigelb> Morning popey
[09:01] <kim0> Howdy
[09:15] <popey> AlanBell: is there any way to make the wiki be full page width?
[09:16] <popey> (I dont want lots of dots either side, I want content)
[09:16] <AlanBell> change to another theme
[09:18]  * AlanBell thinks 960.gs should be nuked from orbit
[09:19] <popey> oh ok. classic works, tra
[12:00] <mhall119> morning
[12:08] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:32] <mhall119> popey is no fun :P
[12:34] <head_victim> Shhh, he'll shut it down.
[12:34] <akgraner> hahaha
[12:34] <mhall119> I'm gonna start a G+ viral post claiming that popey is going to shut down Google unless people repost it
[12:35] <head_victim> I just found you and added you to my circle so I can repost it ;)
[12:36] <mhall119> lol
[12:37] <czajkowski> really do not like G+
[12:38] <AlanBell> I like it a lot more than facebook
[12:38] <AlanBell> or I dislike it less than facebook, to put it another way
[12:38] <head_victim> I use it intermittently. I don't use any other social media and only have accounts on them to manage the Loco accounts.
[12:39] <mhall119> I'm trying to like G+, but it's just so much like Twitter
[12:42] <AlanBell> they all have a problem with the cult of the celebrity thing
[12:48] <czajkowski> I've people adding me there I've no control over
[12:48] <czajkowski> and frankly no frigging idea who they are
[12:49] <jussi> czajkowski: Just as you would on twitter, identica etc, no?
[12:49] <head_victim> I follow a couple of people I'll never post to, I've set up a circle for "following" just so I don't accidentally annoy the crap out of them.
[12:53] <czajkowski> jussi: no tis on private so I add who I chose
[12:54] <czajkowski> and I don't use identi;ca any more
[12:54] <popey> czajkowski: why do you care who follows you?
[12:55] <popey> you just post stuff to your circles and they wont see anything
[12:55] <jussi> czajkowski: I dont understand though, those people that follow/add you on g+ can only see your public posts. why is that an issue?
[12:55] <popey> which is exactly the same as being private on twitter
[12:56] <czajkowski> popey: guess I just find it odd, why random people I've never met randomly find me and follow. *shrugs*
[12:57] <Pendulum> I've been getting a lot of 'requests' that google tells me are follow notifications, where actually the person hasn't followed me at all yet
[12:58] <Pendulum> some of it is for people in my address book, but some of it are random people I've never heard of
[12:59] <popey> czajkowski: you're a public figure
[12:59] <popey> czajkowski: (in your communities)
[12:59] <czajkowski> popey: I do get that in OSS land, but the folks that are folling me have no connection hence the confusion I guess
[12:59] <czajkowski> will take some time to get used to it
[13:00] <czajkowski> one feature I do like is any pic I take on my phone goes there straight away
[13:00] <popey> how do you know they're not OSS people?
[13:00] <czajkowski> I look into them
[13:00] <popey> yeah, wish my phone did that
[13:00] <popey> i look at peoples streams if they look vaugely interesting I add them to a circle
[13:01] <popey> i have circles for "unknowns" as well as "gimps"
[13:01] <cjohnston> Daviey: ping
[13:02] <czajkowski> lol
[13:03] <czajkowski> I've a circle for fedora
[13:03] <czajkowski> ubuntu
[13:03] <czajkowski> mac loving whores ;)
[13:03] <czajkowski> UK and irish geeks ubuntu friends, UL, skynet
[13:03] <cjohnston> is there a circle for your circle?
[13:03] <czajkowski> I like categories
[13:03] <czajkowski> woild prefer if I cold pick what circle to display
[13:03] <czajkowski> cjohnston: there is a circle for the special folks
[13:04] <cjohnston> That must be where I cam
[13:04] <cjohnston> am
[13:04] <cjohnston> depending on your definition of special i guess
[13:09] <Daviey> cjohnston:
[13:09] <cjohnston> Daviey: ! how familiar are you with etherpad
[13:10] <Daviey> cjohnston: <- this much -->
[13:12] <czajkowski> aww dearest darling Daviey
[13:12] <cjohnston> lol.. I'm wondering if we can make like a team or something for UDS..
[13:12] <cjohnston> or somehow to define that a pad is related to uds.
[13:13] <cjohnston> cause if you go create a pad right now, it says Welcome to Ubuntu Developer Summit
[13:14] <Daviey> Not currently possible.
[13:14] <Daviey> sorry :)
[13:14] <cjohnston> :-/
[13:17]  * czajkowski pokes Daviey
[13:19]  * Daviey pokes back
[13:23] <AlanBell> Daviey: it could be done with themes
[13:23] <AlanBell> if passing theme names on the query string wasn't hopelessly borked
[13:24] <Daviey> AlanBell: patches welcome
[13:24] <AlanBell> yeah
[13:25] <AlanBell> personally I think leave well alone until after uds-p
[13:25] <AlanBell> then maybe install etherpad lite and have a play with that
[13:26] <AlanBell> the other thing we could do is move what we have to udspad.ubuntu.com and set up something different at pad.ubuntu.com
[13:26] <cjohnston> Im good with that one
[13:27] <AlanBell> that leaves the historical pads in a predictable location
[13:31] <Daviey> Seems like more work for little benefit?
[13:31] <mhall119> Daviey: yeah, but work for someone else
[13:32] <cjohnston> +2
[14:21]  * popey files bug 859678
[14:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 859678 in ubuntu-website "Search for Linux mostly turns up USNs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859678
[14:21] <mhall119> popey: \o/
[14:59] <jono> kim0, brb, rebooting, and then lets do the call
[15:03] <jono> kim0, ok, firing up a hangout
[15:04] <kim0> can u give me one min please
[15:04] <jono> kim0, sure
[15:05] <kim0> jono: joining
[15:07] <kim0> jono: I dont see the invitation
[15:07] <kim0> got it
[15:13] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:14] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:31] <jono> dpm, about set?
[15:32] <dpm> jono, yep!
[15:32] <jono> dpm, hangout sent
[16:30] <dholbach> jono, ready? :)
[16:30] <jono> dholbach, yup, just wrapped a call
[16:30] <jono> creating a hangout
[16:35] <jcastro> <-- lunching
[16:54]  * czajkowski steals jcastro lunch
[17:00] <jcastro> nom subway
[17:06] <dholbach> alright my friends
[17:06] <dholbach> I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:06] <Pendulum> dholbach: have a good evening!
[17:08] <dholbach> you too! :)
[17:52] <akgraner> For anyone wanting to join in on the Ubuntu Leadership Team meeting it starts in about 8 minutes in -meeting...
[18:16] <jcastro> man dpm
[18:16] <jcastro> this is amazing
[18:16] <jcastro> you guys did an awesome job on this
[18:24] <dpm> jcastro, thanks, glad you like it :).


[17:19] <hallyn> SpamapS: if job A is 'start on startup' and job B (udev) is 'start on virtual-filesystem', I assume there is no guarnatee that A will finish before B starts right?
[17:22] <SpamapS> hallyn: they are completely unrelated
[17:22] <SpamapS> hallyn: so, correct
[17:23] <hallyn> drat.  thanks.
[17:25] <hallyn> SpamapS: then maybe another q - do you happen to know where udev gets its list of devices to create in udev_event_execute_rules() ?
[17:25] <hallyn> it can't just be /lib/udev/rules.d
[17:49] <SpamapS> hallyn: not very well versed in udev internals no
[17:49] <hallyn> ok, thanks


[00:02] <Enklave> hello everybody!
[00:02] <Enklave> THANKS TO YOU, THE COMMUNITY
[00:03] <Enklave> I have now 8 GB to use
[00:04] <Enklave> Its time to us FULL POWER
[00:04] <Enklave> use
[00:04] <Enklave> 1000 x THX
[00:04] <smartboyhw_> Enklave: :)
[00:04] <Enklave> You are god for me now!
[00:05] <Enklave> now you have 3 wishes
[00:06] <smartboyhw_> …
[00:06] <Enklave> do you want to be immortal, no problem i am a physican
[00:09] <bjrohan> Is it just me, or does the new LibreOffice 4 file dialog box look wine ish?
[00:09] <Enklave> you have time smartboy, and thx again
[00:09] <bjrohan> Perhaps I did something wrong?
[00:10] <bjrohan> It does NOT use Dolphin, that is for certains
[00:20] <subman> This may be an issue that a developer wants to look into.  I installed kubuntu-desktop under Ubuntu 12.10 and all was well.  I decided to upgrade to 13.04 Ubuntu and it went well, except for when I go to try Kubuntu.  It comes up with a message box that states:  "Cannot start D-BUS.  Can you start qdbus?"  There is an 'okay' button and when pressed takes me back to the login screen.  Any ideas or just too early to try Kubuntu in this
[00:20] <subman> manner?
[00:25] <yahyaa> please help
[00:25] <yahyaa> trying to get soud through hdmi port to my hidef tv
[00:26] <yahyaa> I am running kubuntu 12.10
[00:29] <DarthFrog> yahyaa: Which video drivers are you using?  Is it an on-board HDMI port or one on your video card?
[00:30] <yahyaa> on board
[00:38] <Quest> how to make ubuntu/kubuntu boot and only go to console automatically. do not load gui?
[00:39] <DarthFrog> Quest: Try removing the lightdm package.
[00:39] <subman> Doesn't grub come with an option to boot to command line?
[00:41] <subman> Quest, maybe this:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/52089/how-do-i-boot-to-a-command-line-interface-instead-of-a-gui
[00:44] <sylvia_> hello
[00:46] <sylvia_> I'm also having a problem with getting sound through my HDMI port. I got kubuntu 12.10 and i got picture but no sound. its  a laptopits a  so theres no card and  radeon 4200 series
[00:53] <sylvia_> hello/ anybody helping tonight, I'm new to ubuntu so I don't know who else to ask.
[00:55] <DarthFrog> sylvia_: You can install the pavucontrol package and use it to direct where your sound is output.
[00:57] <sylvia_> and how do i go about that? is that the "apt m- sudo get install" thing?
[00:57] <DarthFrog> If you're using the radeon driver, HDMI audio is disabled by default.
[00:58] <DarthFrog> sylvia_:  You could use muon as the graphical package manager or "sudo apt-get install pavucontrol" at the command line.
[00:58] <sylvia_> Darth_: does that mean I'm kinda screwed?
[00:58] <DarthFrog> sylvia_: No.
[00:58] <sylvia_> ok imma try it
[01:03] <sylvia_> Darth_: got it open, don't see anything indicationg sound
[01:05] <DarthFrog> You've opened pavucontrol?
[01:06] <sylvia_> no actually i don't think i did, my  konsole says its installed but I don't see it in my system sections
[01:07] <DarthFrog> Run it from the command line then.  Press ALT-F2 and type "pavucontrol".
[01:07] <DarthFrog> Look at output devices.
[01:08] <DarthFrog> But from the KMenu, it's under Applications/Multimedia.
[01:11] <sylvia_> ok I got output devices open and it says RS880 HDMI audio for port it say HDMI/display port
[01:12] <sylvia_> na  the port settingme anything else to changed it doesn't give
[01:13] <DarthFrog> Play around with the app.
[01:13] <sylvia_> and it doesn't give any option to change port setting
[01:20] <sylvia_> ok messed with it. it shows in the audio stream that its producing sound and its not silent but theres still no sound
[01:21] <sylvia_> like its literally showing that its just going through my HDMI port but nothing is coming out
[01:25] <sylvia_> I support what ubuntu is and what it represents to the conglomerate corporations, but I've had so many hiccups with it. kinda missing the automation of windows
[01:26] <sylvia_> nad what I mean by represents is the idea of sharing ideas and not for profit thinking and helping
[01:29] <sylvia_> any other ideas anyone? This shouldn't be difficult but it turns out its tricky
[01:30] <sylvia_> is there any update for radeon?
[01:37] <valorie> !jockey | sylvia_
[01:38] <valorie> hmmm
[01:38] <valorie> !video
[01:38] <valorie> sylvia_: ^^^
[01:39] <sylvia_> hmm ok. whats jockey?
[01:42] <valorie> evidently that is no longer used
[01:42] <valorie> used to be the way that ubuntu handled drivers
[01:42] <valorie> !drivers
[01:42] <valorie> huh
[01:43] <valorie> I guess it's directly from system settings now
[01:43] <bazhang> !info jockey-kde | valorie sylvia_
[01:44] <valorie> interesting, bazhang
[01:44] <valorie> thanks
[01:45] <sylvia_> ok I'm going through ubuntu-help/media but ya I'll post something. UBOTTU: i'm not a programmer I barely know what any of that meansrammer, i ba
[01:45] <sylvia_> what it means
[01:45] <sylvia_> oh wait I need to install jock-kde?
[01:46] <valorie> it might help
[01:47] <valorie> ubottu is just a bot
[01:47] <valorie> anyone can use it
[01:47] <sylvia_> I've been able to select the driver. I see it. below it there is a sound bar. for the port it shows that there is sound going to it I guess because for the internal audio its flat-lined. however no actual sound is coming out. so selecting the driver isn't the issue
[01:47] <valorie> often that means that somewhere, you have a channel muted
[01:48] <valorie> are you using ubuntu, or kubuntu?
[01:48] <sylvia_> kubuntu
[01:48] <valorie> ok
[01:48] <sylvia_> 12.10
[01:48] <valorie> pavucontrol is often useful for checking everything out
[01:49] <sylvia_> ya. tried it. thats how I show sound going to the port. its at 100%
[01:49] <valorie> for sound issues, I mean
[01:49] <valorie> hmmm
[01:49] <valorie> !sound
[01:49] <valorie> the troubleshooting link there is really useful
[01:50] <sylvia_> I got all the formats checked off, and the mute sections are unhighlited
[01:50] <valorie> for instance, trying with a new user often pinpoints the problem
[01:51] <valorie> I've had to work this through a few times in the last 10 years or so
[01:51] <valorie> and always use that link to work it through logically
[02:02] <sylvia_> ok ya I found out for my sound divices under my konsole it says [HDA ATI  SB] and I guess this means its an ATI driver which requires proprietary drivers. so now I gotta look in to this
[02:03] <sylvia_> thanks for all your help but I think i'm screwed
[02:03] <valorie> there is usually an answer
[02:03] <valorie> I have an ati
[02:04] <valorie> one time I had to do a modprobe and all that jazz, but it's all doable
[02:04] <sylvia_> and you can link up to your TV?
[02:04] <valorie> my TV is old, so no
[02:04] <sylvia_> modprobe?
[02:05] <valorie> if you get that deep into the troubleshooting doc, you'll see
[02:05] <sylvia_> ok thaks again for all your help.
[02:05] <valorie> looks complicated, but like everything else in linux, if you just calmly, logically follow the steps
[02:05] <valorie> it all works out
[02:05] <sylvia_> oh real quick. whats a bot?
[02:05] <valorie> in this channel (and all ubuntu chans)
[02:06] <valorie> it is a way to access a database of helpful hints and links
[02:06] <valorie> so
[02:06] <valorie> !bot
[02:06] <valorie> we don't have to remember all that, just ask the bot
[02:06] <sylvia_> LMAO i thought it was a user. damn i feel like i gotta know a lil about programming
[02:07] <valorie> she looks like a knowitall user, yeah
[02:07] <sylvia_> LOL thanks
[02:14] <becnfecn> Anyone know how I can get the security uodate to install
[02:14] <becnfecn> apt-get update; aot-get upgrade doesnt seem to do it
[02:15] <becnfecn> security.ubuntu.com is in my sources.list
[02:17] <valorie> I always use sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:18] <valorie> you might try that instead
[02:18] <valorie> btw, although it looks like that upgrades your dist, it does not
[02:19] <valorie> it includes all the applications in the upgrade request
[02:19] <valorie> !apt
[02:26] <richerVE> Hi, it isn't today the release of 13.04 RC ??
[02:27] <valorie> !release
[02:27] <valorie> heh
[02:28] <valorie> last I heard, it wasn't on the official mirrors yet
[02:28] <valorie> #ubuntu+1 for all the latest
[02:30] <richerVE> Maybe tomorrow morning then, at least in my country (GMT-4:30)
[02:35] <becnfecn> is it possible to actually do the dist-upgrade for the 13.04?
[02:41] <valorie> that is "do-release-upgrade" I believe
[02:41] <valorie> but please ask about that in #ubuntu+1
[02:41] <valorie> !raring
[03:01] <DarthFrog> do-release-upgrade -d
[03:07] <OerHeks> release is 25th april, 7 more days
[03:09] <don_> hello all
[05:50] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:18] <aspire> b
[09:18] <aspire> b
[09:18] <aspire> n
[09:18] <FloodBotK1> aspire: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:49] <feruzi_> hi so when is the next kubuntu coming out
[12:51] <smartboyhw_> feruzi_ Next Thursday.
[12:58] <Freddie_Freewing> Hello, I have a question about burning boot-able cds from .ios files. I recently rescued an old imac g3 from the trash and am trying to bypass the password screen. To do so I need an OS 9 install disk it seems, namely because even lubuntu maxes out the ram. Is there any specific procedure that I need to follow to make a boot-able cd from an .ios file that is designed for the powerpc architecture?
[13:01] <smartboyhw_> .iso file you mean?
[13:02] <Freddie_Freewing> Yes, sorry about that. :)
[13:03] <smartboyhw_> Freedie_Freewing: And why are you asking about Lubuntu!?
[13:08] <Freddie_Freewing> smartboyhw: I am currently using kubuntu to try to burn an OS9 iso to a disk using k3b. I was merely detailing the procedure that I have gone though so far. And asking if there are any procedures that I should be aware of when trying to burn a boot-able disk.
[13:09] <smartboyhw_> Freddie_Freewing: Nothing much I think.
[13:11] <Freddie_Freewing> Smartboyhw: So just write the .iso image to the disk and everything should be a-okay. I ask because I remember a time when you had to make the boot folder and nonsense like that.
[13:13] <smartboyhw_> Freddie_Freewing: I use dd.
[13:13] <smartboyhw_> That's the play-safe method.
[13:13] <Freddie_Freewing> dd?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:32] <sagat> portugues
[16:32] <sagat> ?
[16:33] <wxl> !pt | sagat
[17:02] <wololo_226> hi, I'm trying to install Kubuntu 13.04, but installer stalls at the "Preparation to install" screen
[17:07] <genii-around> wololo_226: The channel #ubuntu+1 for 13.04 please.
[17:07] <wololo_226> genii-around: ok, thanks
[17:13] <rosco_y> Which is the ubuntu installer: .deb or .rpm ?
[17:15] <rosco_y> found it: ubuntu speaks .deb :)
[22:26] <kdef> can someone help?   I want to install a debian package (64-bit) but it needs 32-bit packages
[22:26] <kdef> I forget how to do so without installing all the 32-bit packages...   I think I just need multiarch but how?
[22:27] <kdef> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)." -> I don't have to do this, do I?
[22:27] <wxl> kdef: sudo apt-get -f install
[22:27] <wxl> that will fix it
[22:28] <kdef> that's the only way?
[22:28] <wxl> kdef: there's always another way, but that way works. :)
[22:30] <kdef> it will intall every 32-bin lib package in the world... but, I probably only need a few? :)
[22:30] <kdef> -bit not bin
[22:30] <wxl> kdef: well somehow or another it's requiring those depends.
[22:37] <Whiskey`Wonka> is kubuntu.org having a issue? I can not get it to load
[22:38] <wxl> just for you Whiskey`Wonka
[22:38] <wxl> http://isitup.org/kubuntu.org
[22:38] <valorie> loads instantly for me
[22:39] <Whiskey`Wonka> mmm
[22:39] <Whiskey`Wonka> its not just me, its 4 people that i know of on clink adsl
[22:39] <wxl> hm
[22:40] <wxl> i don't think i'd use an isp called "clink"
[22:40] <Whiskey`Wonka> but those are all in the same town
[22:40] <Whiskey`Wonka> we call them clink (klink)
[22:40] <Whiskey`Wonka> its century link
[22:41] <Whiskey`Wonka> ah fun its some kinda dns related issue
[22:42] <Whiskey`Wonka> look its ip up with another provider and IP access works, named access does not
[22:44] <Whiskey`Wonka> more correctly the ubuntu site loads since IP breaks the name based host. oy


[02:52] <pleia2> working on releasing in a bit, busy day
[05:04] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 454 for the week February 8 - 14, 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue454


[21:53] <lifeless> mwhudson: hey
[21:53] <lifeless> lp:~lifeless/launchpad/test
[21:53] <lifeless> has some more work in it just fixing ec2 detected failures.
[21:53] <lifeless> more stale-librarian processes mainly.
[21:54] <lifeless> I'm sending it in to find more, but would like to know if the recent commits are clear to you
[21:54] <mwhudson> lifeless: wow, branch of doom
[21:54] <lifeless> mwhudson: I knew this would uncover a pile of mess.
[21:54] <lifeless> and it is
[21:55] <lifeless> its very clear to me why we were ending up with 4-5 librarians running mid-test-suite-run
[21:55] <lifeless> :)
[21:55] <mwhudson> yeah
[21:56] <mwhudson> lifeless: the changes look basically fine
[21:57] <mwhudson> lifeless: does LaunchpadScriptLayer.tearDown need to be conditional like that?
[21:59] <lifeless> well
[21:59] <lifeless> unregisterProvider returns False if it did not unregister.
[21:59] <lifeless> it might not unregister because:
[21:59] <lifeless>  - its not registered
[21:59] <lifeless>  - something prevents it being unregistered
[22:00] <lifeless> the former might happen if setUp wasn't called/blew up
[22:00] <lifeless> or if the base object got replaced with an empty registry.
[22:00] <lifeless> or the mailbox object got replaced.
[22:10] <mwhudson> lifeless: i wonder if noisly exploding would be the thing to do there?
[22:11] <mwhudson> (i'm not trying to ask leading questions, just encourage discussion/thinking)
[22:15] <lifeless> eventually, perhaps
[22:16] <mwhudson> lifeless: i guess it's not for this branch, but "ls --versioned --recursive --null --kind file | xargs -0 fgrep 'Setup().setUp()'" show more work to be done at some point :-)
[22:16] <mwhudson> lifeless: ok, i'm fine with the branch as-is, i hope there's not too much more to go before landing :-)
[22:16] <lifeless> mwhudson: yeah
[22:16] <lifeless> mwhudson: me too :P
[22:16] <lifeless> I'm only doing this cause I want parallel testing
[22:18] <lifeless> mwhudson: so we could raise LayerInvarient
[22:18] <lifeless> (sp?)
[22:19] <mwhudson> yeah, something like that
[22:19] <lifeless> I'd like to work on NotImplemented as a thing separately
[22:19] <mwhudson> (sorry, brain not working today)
[22:19] <lifeless> firstly I want to make it stateful
[22:19] <lifeless> then unique instances
[22:20] <lifeless> then parallel
[22:20] <mwhudson> lifeless: 'it' ?
[22:20] <lifeless> then cleanup
[22:20] <lifeless> the test environment
[22:20] <mwhudson> ah ok
[22:22] <mwhudson> lifeless: a problem that i've not yet had any good ideas about is the problem of hard coded paths/ports/etc in configs for tests that launch subprocesses
[22:22] <lifeless> mwhudson: See my thread where I describe how to fix that. I'd love a critical eye. So far its been 'mgmt' saying 'wow lovely' :P
[22:23] <mwhudson> lifeless: subject?
[22:23] <mwhudson> i have a feeling i only skimmed that mail
[22:23] <lifeless> stories for ...
[22:24] <mwhudson> ah right
[23:40] <mwhudson> lifeless: ok i replied to the mail
[23:40] <mwhudson> lifeless: slightly incoherently, sorry about that


[00:41] <viewer|170> Hi, if there's anyone there, I'd really appreciate your help
[00:42] <viewer|170> I've been unable to find the system requirements for the latest version of the OS. Can anyone tell me or point me in the right direction?
[00:55] <viewer|170> Hi
[00:55] <viewer|170> Anyone there?
[01:02] <i-> viewer|170: hello
[01:03] <viewer|170> Hi, if there's anyone there, I'd really appreciate your help
[01:03] <viewer|170> I've been unable to find the system requirements for the latest version of the OS. Can anyone tell me or point me in the right direction?
[01:05] <i-> The minimum is probably about 512-768 mb of ram and an 700 MHz CPU, since that's what the Ubuntu (Unity) system requirements say (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements)
[01:08] <viewer|170> You think that low would be enough? The Ubuntu download page recommends 2GHz and 2GB of RAM. I need to have decent performance on a relatively low-powered machine
[01:08] <viewer|170> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[01:12] <mparillo> I find for light usage, I can run Kubuntu on a 1GB netbook.
[01:14] <viewer|170> What do you mean by light usage? At which point would you say that it starts losing performance?
[01:16] <mparillo> Web browsing or light doc editing in Libre office. No heavy games beyond kblocks.
[01:16] <mparillo> I have found Kubuntu to be the lightest KDE distro for my netbook or a 1GB VM. YMMV
[01:17] <viewer|170> Thanks mparillo, I'll try it out then
[01:19] <data-tom> I need some help I'm running KDE v5.6.5 KDE Frameworks v5.23.0 on a laptop with 8GB:RAM Intel:i5-6300U HD Graphics 520 & things on my screen are jitter like when i move my mouse or scroll a window or even move a window. apps menu  is slow coming up etc...
[01:19] <data-tom> I'm no KDE master
[01:20] <data-tom> what settings would help with this^?
[01:23] <data-tom> WoW it is sure dead in here
[01:23] <data-tom> i love KDE but trying to fix things in it WoW what a pain in the ass
[01:43] <DarthFrog> Hi.  I'm running Kubuntu 16.04.1.  Dolphin won't open an audio cd, says that audiocd is an unknown protocol.  kdemultimedia-kio-plugins is installed.  Anyone have any ideas?  Google turns up nothing useful.
[02:06] <Omnifrog> Question:  Can you install Kubuntu (or any distro) to an unmounted drive or partition from already booted-from-a-hard drive system (ie. not an install CD) ?
[02:11] <Unit193> Omnifrog: So, you want to debootstrap a system?
[02:12] <Omnifrog> just to clarify, say I boot up my system and my / drive is /sda1
[02:14] <Omnifrog> is there a way to install a new distro to /sdb1 without putting a CD in and restarting the computer?
[02:16] <Omnifrog> obviously I mean /dev/sdx#
[02:17] <Unit193> You'll have to restart to get into the new OS, though.
[02:17] <Omnifrog> well yeah, I know that part
[02:18] <Unit193> Sure, just trying to be as clear as possible, yes.  And yes, if it is a different partition and you don't want to mess with your *current* partition, then yes.
[02:18] <Omnifrog> how?
[02:19] <Omnifrog> do you need the install CD/DVD?
[02:20] <Omnifrog> can you do it entirely in software from the ISO?
[02:21] <Omnifrog> will it ask you if you want to upgrade to Windows 10?
[02:21] <Omnifrog> I NEED ANSWERS!
[02:22] <Unit193> Oookay, Ubuntu docs are dated...  You don't need the ISO, in theory if you do it live as long as debootstrap is installed you'll need nothing additionally.
[02:24] <Unit193> Omnifrog: It may not be the most easy thing to do, do you have specific reasons for needing to do this, btw?
[02:25] <Omnifrog> yeah, I have an old (very old) installation of open suse on a drive in this box
[02:25] <Unit193> Basics are: mount it to a dir, debootstrap it all, mount dev and other needed filesystems there, chroot in, install the kubuntu-desktop task with  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop^
[02:25] <Unit193> OK, no idea how to do it from Suse.
[02:26] <Omnifrog> no no, my main boot OS is Kubuntu
[02:26] <Omnifrog> the partition with open suse is what I want to reclaim
[02:27] <Omnifrog> and convert to a new backup boot drive
[02:28] <Unit193> Oh good then.
[02:28] <Omnifrog> seems like  DVD install might be more simpler
[02:28] <Unit193> Yep, it certainly is easier.  But the question is, which is more fun? ;)
[02:28] <Omnifrog> just have to be careful about device names
[02:29] <Omnifrog> the most fun option is the safest option
[02:30] <Omnifrog> restoring shit from multiple sources is muchly not fun
[02:30] <Unit193> So yes, official DVD installer with ubiquity it is.
[02:31] <Omnifrog> this begs the question though ...
[02:31] <Omnifrog> why is this not an option ?
[02:31] <Omnifrog> like... in a menu somewhere?
[02:31] <Unit193> Ubiquity is the default installer, you never actually see the name.  Sorry about that.
[02:33] <Omnifrog> I mean, even for enterprise applications I can see that feature being useful
[02:43] <dbrom> Anyone using handbrake these days
[02:59] <Omnifrog> I've used it a couple times
[02:59] <Omnifrog> I had no idea what I was doing
[04:43] <mah454> Hello
[04:43] <mah454> when KDE 5.7 released on repositories ?
[07:46] <Specialist> the 16.04.1 release notes contain a reference to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XenialUpgrades, which referenes https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XenialUpgrades/Kubuntu. which is a 404. are upgrades from 14.04 to 16.04.1 supported?
[07:52] <tuor> Specialist, your updater will upgrade you to the current state.
[08:57] <sonu_nk> I need your help to setup virtual host, i have a live project which is running on this ip like eg: <IP_ADDRESS> . and i want to run project on my ubuntu machine with same url like eg : <IP_ADDRESS> instead of localhost ..  i also followed steps from here https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-ubuntu-14-04-lts but seems not working
[09:31] <Guest23938> hi...I'm trying to use the cloud storage storage manager, so I added my google drive account....but after that, it doesn't sync...what do I have to do?
[10:30] <tuor> Hi, can I move a window to an other activity?
[12:27] <teleyinex> Hi there
[12:28] <teleyinex> I just installed kde-plasma-desktop
[12:28] <teleyinex> and my fonts look terrible. I've a hidpi screen
[12:28] <teleyinex> and this is what happens
[12:28] <teleyinex> http://imgur.com/a/KKmJb
[12:28] <teleyinex> I think I have tried everything
[12:28] <teleyinex> but nothing works. Forcing DPI
[12:28] <teleyinex> deleting .kde
[12:28] <teleyinex> .local/kde
[12:28] <teleyinex> any ideas
[12:29] <tuor> Answer to my question: rightclick on the window title bar, activity ...
[12:31] <teleyinex> tuor I don' t see the Activity option
[12:31] <teleyinex> I' ve ubuntu 16.04
[12:32] <tuor> teleyinex, I asked about how to move a window to an other activity. This was the answer. I need to have more then one activity to see the option.
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:32] <teleyinex> ok
[12:32] <teleyinex> no idea about my font issues...
[12:37] <BluesKaj> tuor yes, create activities in them in system settings>desktop behaviour>activities
[12:38] <tuor> works now. :)
[13:00] <encolpe> hello
[13:00] <encolpe> how to force baloo purge and reindex all mails ?
[13:03] <soee> encolpe: maybe try asking on #kde-devel
[13:05] <encolpe> and kde-pim…
[14:02] <plusEV> Hi, I am in need of urgent assistance.I just came home from vacation and I am sitting on a train.  Now my Discover app has been sitting on 10% done for the last hour. If I try closing Discover I get the following message: Could not close the application, there are tasks that need to be done.
[14:03] <plusEV> I am worried I brick my system when I have to close the laptop down and exit the train in 50 minutes from now.
[14:03] <plusEV> what can I do?
[14:04] <genii> If muon doesn't time out by when you have to turn the machine off, use ps to find it's PID and then use kill on the PID number
[14:05] <plusEV> Kubuntu 16.04, Kernel: 4.4.0-28, KDE Plasma 5.6.5, KDE Frameworks 5.23.0
[14:05] <yossarianuk> plusEV: what I would do is (1) kill the process -  also check forany running apt + dpkg processes.  When I try to kill stuff it gives me 30 different send signal.
[14:10] <plusEV> what to choose? sigterm?
[14:10] <yossarianuk> signal 9 is direct kill.
[14:11] <genii> Yes, 9
[14:12] <plusEV> ty
[14:19] <plusEV> all right praying to RNGsus that this reboot works.
[14:23] <plusEV> sweet guys. thank you both for quick assistance. :)
[14:23] <plusEV> Lesson learned. Do not do updates on the train.
[14:24] <yossarianuk> plusEV: you could always use 'sudo apt-get -d dist-upgrade'
[14:24] <yossarianuk> this just downloads packages
[14:24] <yossarianuk> not installs
[14:24] <yossarianuk> so if connection is lost it doesn't matter
[14:25] <plusEV> yossarianuk: That is nice to know. ty.
[14:27] <plusEV> yossarianuk: I know not to do this on train WiFi really, but I brainfarted and I was thinking using VPN mattered. Of course it does not ;)
[14:29] <plusEV> later
[16:14] <DarthFrog> Hi.  I'm running Kubuntu 16.04.1.  Dolphin won't open an audio cd, says that audiocd is an unknown protocol.  kdemultimedia-kio-plugins is installed.  Anyone have any ideas?  Google turns up nothing useful.
[16:16] <genii> Audio CDs don't have a file system
[16:17] <DarthFrog> genii: Yeah but it used to use the kio-audiocd slave to open the disk and show the tracks as WAV, MP3 or Ogg files.  Now, it doesn't open the disk at all.
[16:19] <genii> DarthFrog: Is libcdio-cdda1 installed?
[16:20] <DarthFrog> I'll check.
[16:21] <DarthFrog> No.  Installing now.
[16:24] <DarthFrog> genii: no joy.  But K3B sees it fine.  So that's my work-around.
[17:00] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, 16.04 point release is supposedly delayed til next week , so all upgrades aren't available yet
[17:09] <genii> Oddly, the ubuntu-announce mailing list had the announcement for the point release on July 22 saying it was out already, no retraction or following announcement that it was delayed.
[17:10] <genii> However, the !ltsupgrade factoid reflects the delay
[17:21] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog my vesion is still plain 16.04 and the cd and dvd disks are recognized as media in dolphin,  What does wodim --devices show ?
[17:22] <genii> Might need some gvfs things
[18:13] <DarthFrog> K3b didn't work.  Says can't find libcdparanoia but libcdparamoia0 is installed.
[18:16] <DarthFrog> I give up. :-(
[18:16] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog,  What does wodim --devices show ?
[18:19] <sapucai> hola, alguien en castellano, por favor. gracias
[18:20] <BluesKaj> !br
[18:20] <BluesKaj> sapucai, ^
[18:27] <DarthFrog> OK, jack is working. :-)
[18:28] <BluesKaj> shouldn't need jack
[18:30] <DarthFrog> Not the low-latency server, the cli CD ripping program.
[18:31] <BluesKaj> cdrecord
[18:44] <Guest30929> HELLOW
[19:00] <rajivmars>  the update notifier show an error message that adobe flash plugin has not successfully installed. How do i install it now?
[19:02] <genii> rajivmars: Open Konsole and do it by command-line: sudo apt update && sudo apt install flashplugin-installer   ..if it spews out any errors, copy and paste whats in the Konsole screen to a pastebin so we can see what it's doing
[19:03] <rajivmars> genii. ok. thankyou:)
[19:08] <rajivmars> genii: it says "flashplugin-installer" has already the newest version.
[19:10] <genii> rajivmars: That's fine then, you can ignore what the update-notifier is telling you.
[19:10] <rajivmars> genii. ok.
[19:13] <rajivmars> hey guys. when does plasma 5.7 will arrive for update on kubuntu 16.04?
 When it's ready
[21:38] <user|71178> with the latest 16.04 any1 find a solution to err_name_resolution_failed
[21:38] <user|71178> with the latest 16.04 any1 find a solution to err_name_resolution_failed
[21:53] <user|28515> im new user ,, how can i remove the clipboard from kubuntu 16.04 ??
[21:55] <bprompt> the clipboard?  dunno what that is
[22:00] <user|28515> Clipboard Contents !!!
[22:01] <genii> Rightclick on it, close it. When it asks whether you want it to start again next time, choose no
[22:02] <user|28515> done :D
[22:02] <user|28515> thanks genii
[22:03] <genii> Glad to assist
[22:04] <user|28515> the other thing is , when i use Discover for search , it doesn't show any result !!
[22:06] <genii> Possibly whatever you're searching for has no candidate
[22:07] <user|28515> i was searching for Vlc or chrom !
[22:08] <genii> vlc is in universe, so you need to enable that repository first
[22:10] <genii> chrome is is google's own repository. Although you can install chromium, which is in ( again) universe
[22:10] <genii> !chrome
[22:10] <genii> Meh
[22:10]  * genii smacks the bot
[22:10] <user|28515> i see
[22:14] <genii> user|28515: For chrome, go to https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/  download the deb package for Ubuntu, save it to the hard drive. then use sudo dpkg -i <the filename you downloaded here> to install it. After you need to update and then install google-chrome-stable
[22:15] <genii> Their deb file just makes a new repository entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory
[22:21] <user|28515> ok ,
[22:36] <kenzu> hi
[22:37] <bprompt> allo
[22:38] <kenzu> what happened in France today?
[22:40] <bprompt> kenzu:   check the news :)
[22:40] <kenzu> yes I rather ask here :D
[22:41] <kenzu> my skype malfunctioned so downloaded lots of ircs and stuff :D
[22:41]  * bprompt notices the channel topic is missing "france" in it
[22:41] <kenzu> oh okey, what is the topic? kubuntu?
[22:41] <bprompt> ahemmm /topic
[22:41] <kenzu> Sorry if I went off topic..
[22:42] <kenzu> Oh sorry guys! didnt mean to disturb you and God bless you all
[22:42] <bprompt> np
[22:46] <genii> That was slightly odd
[22:47] <Dragnslcr> Slightly?
[22:47] <genii> Well, I've seen weirder here :)
[22:48] <bprompt> at least it wasn't spam, #ubuntu is on +R mode, so I gather the channel is being spammed, so hmmm at least is not the case here
[22:49] <genii> Dragnslcr: Once, a fellow kept asking about this program called choqok, but he was using the phonetic spelling
[22:49] <genii> That one took a little while to sort out
[22:54] <Dragnslcr> Haha