[21:15] <computerseven> reveredge?
[21:15] <ikonia> computerseven: it's not really a "chat" channel, try the ##chat channel if you just want to talk please.
[21:15] <Dr-007> vfw, what does it matter where i paste?
[21:15] <Dr-007> vfw, please dont reply if you're not going to reply to my issue
[21:15] <vfw> Dr-007: It doesn't
[21:16] <Raj_Ramlochan> rfrgv
[21:16] <Southern_Gentlem> ikonia, i am suspecting its a bot
[21:16] <Raj_Ramlochan> who's "it" my nigga?
[21:16] <ikonia> Southern_Gentlem: I'm having that same "wonder" myself
[21:17] <Southern_Gentlem> ikonia, same for computerseven
[21:17] <ikonia> Southern_Gentlem: thats actually who I was talking about
[21:17] <Raj_Ramlochan> Hi
[21:17] <ikonia> ahh I see
[21:23] <piing> hi@ll, openSSL is still the standart in the ubuntu-server (whats about libreSSL)??
[21:23] <vfw> Dr-007: iwconfig |& nc termbin.com 9999
[21:24] <popey> piing: what about it?
[21:24] <acresearch> people anyone knows an alternative to openconnect? it is extreamly slow i cannot even ssh
[21:25] <gimmickless> vfw: I tried F1 through F6, all no good.
[21:26] <vfw> gimmickless: What do you have on the screen?
[21:26] <popey> piing: libressl isn't in debian, so chances if it being in ubuntu are slim,
[21:27] <vfw> gimmickless: Ctrl-Alt-F6  Ctrl-Alt-F5  etc. etc. Right?
[21:28] <piing> the idea of libreSLL was to clean up openSSL .... after heartbleed.
[21:33] <WeiJunLi> can I delete the logs in /var/log/ ?
[21:33] <WeiJunLi> there are some big files there
[21:34] <gimmickless> vfw, I thought it was just Alt+F#. Aw heck. Will try again in about 10 minutes.
[21:37] <BusFactor1> WeiJunLi: yes, as long as you don't need them
[21:41] <popey> piing: i know what it is, that doesn't mean we just switch immediately. There's a process. Feel free to help.
[21:45] <ikonia> popey: I guess I'll cancel all my pull requests to you then,
[21:46] <Dr-007> vfw, http://termbin.com/vgyh
[21:50] <gebruiker> during the ubuntu mini install there is a question asked about installing security updates, what package does automatically install security updates? ( not search for the unattended option in that package <from memory>)
[21:50] <nacc> gebruiker: unattend-upgrades ?
[21:51] <nacc> gebruiker: *unattended-upgrades
[21:52] <gebruiker> nacc: found it @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates
[21:54] <gebruiker> heading off to bed
[21:54] <Bashing-om> gebruiker: That adds a bit more overhead to a mininmal install .. right sure you are not so busy that you can not manage the updates yourself ?
[21:55] <ducasse> gebruiker: you might want to edit /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades to get it to also auto-install regular updates, for instance. there are some other interesting options there too.
[22:07] <vfw> Dr-007: dhcp-range=<IP_ADDRESS>,<IP_ADDRESS>
[22:07] <vfw> Dr-007: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[22:08] <jarlath> Do held back packages (due to unmet dependencies) need to be reported as bugs? I can't update kdenlive because qml-module-qtquick-control has a dependency version newer than what's in the repo (their PPA).
[22:08] <nacc> jarlath: PPAs are only supported by the PPA owner(s)
[22:10] <jarlath> Thanks nacc, I'll contact them.
[22:13] <db[Lappy]> Hey ppl
[22:13] <db[Lappy]> anyone can suggest a lite weight IRC client pls?
[22:13] <db[Lappy]> I'll be using it over lubuntu/xrdp connection
[22:13] <m0tz> irssi
[22:13] <db[Lappy]> how light weight is it?
[22:13] <m0tz> terminal based
[22:14] <db[Lappy]> and does it support znc?
[22:14] <db[Lappy]> oh greayt
[22:14] <m0tz> I don't know
[22:14] <vfw> dhcp-range=<IP_ADDRESS>,<IP_ADDRESS>
[22:14] <db[Lappy]> ty
[22:14] <m0tz> np, best of luck
[22:15] <db[Lappy]> m0tz
[22:15] <m0tz> yes
[22:15] <db[Lappy]> do you got any more recommendations?
[22:15] <db[Lappy]> hows weechat?
[22:15] <m0tz> I haven't used it
[22:15] <db[Lappy]> oh ok
[22:15] <m0tz> I just tried it on my new mac machine and was very confused
[22:15] <m0tz> I am still learning this os
[22:15] <Pooty> [?DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0]
[22:16] <m0tz> wee chat looks pretty solid though
[22:16] <Pooty> [?DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0]
[22:16] <db[Lappy]> ah ok
[22:16] <db[Lappy]> i'll figure it out, thanx
[22:16] <m0tz> np
[22:16] <x0g> Heya, anyone has experiance with installing VMware-Horizon-Client on Ubuntu 16.04 64bit?
[22:16] <vfw> Dr-007: Try something like:  dhcp-range=<IP_ADDRESS>,<IP_ADDRESS>
[22:21] <MWM> I am trying to sort a directory with hundreds of directories into subdirectories.  SUbdirectories are to be alphabetical ie all directireis starting with a should move to the "A" directory
[22:22] <incognito-dg> I want to partition a disk to run ubuntu. I will need to run virtual machines in this partition. Do I have to use the partition that the vm is run from for storage, or can I use the same separate data partition that I use for all other partitions on this machine for storage?
[22:22] <MWM> I cant seem to get the command correct.  I tried "sudo mv path/to/directory/"A*" /path/to/target/A but Im getting nowhere
[22:22] <incognito-dg> The answer to my question will determine how big I will need to make the partition.
[22:23] <vfw> MWM: leave off the quotes.
[22:23] <MWM> you can place VMs wherever you want as long as you point to the correct path when you make the VM
[22:24] <vfw> MWM: mv /some/dir/and/files/a* /path/to/target/A
[22:25] <MWM> vfw: will it make a difference if the target folder is inside the source?  Im throwing an error about moving a directory into itself
[22:25] <Dr-007> vfw, oh sorry
[22:26] <Dr-007> i was screwing around trying to find something else
[22:26] <incognito-dg> Sorry, I may not have communicated my question well. My question is about where I can store data when I'm using an OS in a VM. So I know I can place VMs wherever I want, but what I need to know is can I store data in a partition that is different from the partition I am running the VM in.
[22:26] <vfw> MWM: As long as you use the full path, it should work.  It's hard to use hypothetical names here.
[22:27] <incognito-dg> I'll give an example:
[22:27] <MWM> vfw: I see the problem... Im trying to move all directories that start with A into a directory Ive named "A" ... hence the error.  thanks :D
[22:28] <Dr-007> vfw, you are right that ureadahead[374]: ureadahead:/etc/dnsmasq.conf: No such file or directory     ... so it tries to read that config. but weirdly it gets started anyway. i can see that later in my syslog. my network gets assigned to the device. but it said that there was no device (or something like that, a little while ago)  so i disabled dnsmasq && hostapd on boot and started them manually
[22:28] <Dr-007> after boot. but still no success.
[22:28] <Dr-007> now i created the /etc/dnsmasq.conf file
[22:28] <Dr-007> anyway, ill read your comments now and try that
[22:28] <mikele> hi
[22:29] <vfw> Dr-007: Yes, like I said before, you need /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[22:29] <vfw> properly written
[22:29] <Dr-007> yeah but like i said before it gets started anyway ;)
[22:29] <Dr-007> and my configs are inside /etc/dnsmasq.d/*
[22:29] <incognito-dg> If I have a VM on partition B and I run apache web server in it, can I save the document root data on partition D. That way I can run a different VM in partition C and still access the same document root. Thanks.
[22:30] <Dr-007> so i didnt mind /etc/dnsmasq.conf was missing
[22:30] <Dr-007> but yeah i just created it, and no change
[22:30] <Dr-007> im going to try your suggestion now and leave of the lease time in my dhcp range
[22:30] <vfw> Dr-007: And you should probably set your netmask to <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:31] <MWM> icognito-dg:  Im not an expert but what I would do in that situation is set up a directory to be shared between the VMs (during the VM setup in Settings) but I am sure you have thought of that as well.  Good Luck :D
[22:32] <incognito-dg> MwM: Well thanks for taking the time...
[22:33] <vfw> Dr-007:  To test it, use your favorite DNS lookup tool pointed at localhost: dig av.com @localhost  or nslookup av.com localhost
[22:34] <incognito-dg> I'm also wondering why is it that Ubuntu can't seem to tell me what chipset is on my motherboard. Windows was able to tell me, but not ubuntu. I tried dmidecode, lshw and lscpi with no luck. Is there a way for ubuntu to spit out my chipset?
[22:42] <Jordan_U> incognito-dg: What is your end goal?
[22:43] <Dr-007> vfw, no netmask needs to stay on <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:43] <Dr-007> the ip range covers multiple subnets
[22:49] <gimmickless> Checked on the CTRL-ALT-F# thing. Turns out that doesn't work either.
[22:50] <gimmickless> After hitting the intro splash screen, it cuts to black with a non-blinking cursor object in the upper left-hand corner.
[22:52] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | gimmickless In that ^ case try :
[22:55] <unicornjedi> yo anyone wanna help me with systemd analyze blame? My boot time is 1 minute and I am wondering which services are okay to stop or get rid of
[22:56] <unicornjedi> https://thepasteb.in/p/r0hwP0WvwVqhK
[23:04] <Jordan_U> unicornjedi: Please also pastebin the output of "systemd-analyze critical-chain".
[23:06] <unicornjedi> https://thepasteb.in/p/vghOpjlWE7lC3
[23:08] <unicornjedi> Jordan_U
[23:15] <frostythesnowman> hi, does anyone know if it's possible to match my regular terminal's exact environment when scripts get triggered by crontab?
[23:15] <frostythesnowman> i'm currently running into a mismatch problem where my cron scripts have an entirely different env
[23:17] <dave0x6d> Is there a Ubuntu package for automatically copying a EFI kernel stub?
[23:17] <Jordan_U> dave0x6d: Copying it where?
[23:17] <dave0x6d> Jordan_U: uh, to the EFI partition?
[23:17] <dave0x6d> not sure where else you'd want to put it :p
[23:18] <nacc> frostythesnowman: use an absolute path to a script which runs a shell as if it were a login shell (maybe?) for the appropriate user?
[23:18] <Jordan_U> dave0x6d: I expect that most people who boot via UEFI stub mount their ESP to /boot/ (though that is not a configuration I would recommend).
[23:18] <nacc> frostythesnowman: i'm guessing what you're really seeing is a different PATH set for the cronjob
[23:19] <dave0x6d> Jordan_U: oh, will reinstalling the kernel add a boot entry too?
[23:21] <frostythesnowman> nacc: i see.  how would i write a script that runs a login shell and then runs a python script?
[23:22] <frostythesnowman> nacc: startup.sh < "sudo -iu mainuser < '/usr/bin/python2.7 myscript.py'" ?
[23:22] <nacc> frostythesnowman: that's not exactly how shell redirection works
[23:23] <dave0x6d> Jordan_U: I don't see any docs about how Ubuntu handles "installing" the kernel's EFI stub.
[23:23] <nacc> frostythesnowman: you're running a python script?
[23:23] <nacc> frostythesnowman: maybe specify more clearly what you are seeing that's different in the environment?
[23:24] <Jordan_U> dave0x6d: If you're referring to making an entry with efibootmgr for it (which doesn't involve copying), then I don't think there is one. If you want something automatic then stick to grub.
[23:26] <unicornjedi> Jordan_U:  are you still helping me
[23:27] <Jordan_U> unicornjedi: nmbd.service probably shouldn't be taking that long. I would look at "systemctl status nmdb" to see if the last logged messages give a hint as to why.
[23:28] <unicornjedi> gotcha
[23:28] <Jordan_U> unicornjedi: Basically look at the logs for any of the services in red.
[23:30] <unicornjedi> which logs
[23:31] <dave0x6d> Jordan_U: hmm, there's no static "vmlinuz-linux" file in /boot. Can't make a symlink on FAT32 either.
[23:31] <nacc> !who | unicornjedi
[23:32] <unicornjedi> Jordan_U: which logs?
[23:37] <rvinkovic> hello guys, i have problem with mariadb server on 16.04 =( i cant figure how to allow remote login
[23:38] <dave0x6d> rvinkovic: remote logins over what?
[23:38] <dave0x6d> SSH?
[23:38] <dave0x6d> HTTP?
[23:38] <dave0x6d> telnet? :p
[23:38] <rvinkovic> i was following openstack guide for ubuntu 16.04
[23:38] <rvinkovic> i cant connect to database using mysql client
[23:38] <unicornjedi> never mind Jordan_U
[23:39] <rvinkovic> http://docs.openstack.org/newton/install-guide-ubuntu/environment-sql-database.html
[23:40] <rvinkovic> i have problem with pupulating database with keystone, after 2-3 hours i figured that i cant connect to mysql remotely because mysql is lisening on <IP_ADDRESS> but not on <IP_ADDRESS> how it sould
[23:40] <rvinkovic> on server mysql -u keystone -p is working but mysql -h <IP_ADDRESS> -u keystone -p is not
[23:41] <nacc> rvinkovic: you may want to ask on #ubuntu-server
[23:41] <nacc> rvinkovic: did you restart mysql after changing the configuration?
[23:41] <rvinkovic> yes i did, i restarted service and server several times,
[23:41] <tgm4883> rvinkovic: is mariadb listening on more than localhost?
[23:42] <nacc> rvinkovic: also, just to be sure, is that the actual IP of your host?
[23:43] <rvinkovic> i look'd into every conf file in /etc/mysql and only on /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/50-server.cnf was bind-address <IP_ADDRESS> and changed that to <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:43] <nacc> rvinkovic: why aren't you following the guide exactly?
[23:43] <rvinkovic> and following the guide i created that 99-openstack.cnf and there is set bind-addres to <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:43] <nacc> rvinkovic: it didn't say change 50-server.cnf
[23:44] <nacc> rvinkovic: can you pastebin `ip addr` output?
[23:44] <rvinkovic> in first i did but i didnt work so i was looking is there another bind-address that maybe overrides that one
[23:44] <tgm4883> rvinkovic: please pastebin that command
[23:47] <jayjo> I had some problems getting through the login screen yesterday which was due to my graphics card driver interfering after the 16.04 update. Now it says my filesystem has no free space and I can't load most applications. I can however start a terminal and connect to irc (for example). I can't start chrome. Any idea of how to go from here?
[23:47] <nacc> jayjo: pastebin the output from `df -h`?
[23:47] <skaag> anyone here has experience with this display chip: Atom Processor D2xxx/N2xxx Integrated Graphics Controller
[23:48] <skaag> I'm trying to figure out how to setup the fastest driver under Xorg in Ubuntu 16.04
[23:48] <rvinkovic> tgm4883: http://pastebin.com/NXkfid3q
[23:48] <skaag> lshw -C video shows this: configuration: driver=gma500 latency=0
[23:48] <jayjo> what the way to pastebin direct from terminal? I can't access a browser currently. I do notice right off the bat that it does in fact now say 100% of /dev/sda2 is being used, when yesterday it was at less than 50%
[23:49] <jayjo> termbin.com ?
[23:49] <tgm4883> rvinkovic: none of that is 'ip addr'
[23:49] <tomreyn> jayjo: termbin work, or !pastebinit
[23:49] <nacc> !pastebinit | jayjo
[23:49] <jayjo> http://termbin.com/yj66
[23:51] <tomreyn> jayjo: so, yes, you have a full file system at / 142G in use.
[23:51] <nacc> jayjo: you can use `du -h --max-depth=1` from / to determine what is using up space in /. I'm guessing but maybe a log file?
[23:51] <rvinkovic> tgm4883: http://pastebin.com/sqBF9rRH
[23:52] <jayjo> how do i order du by size?
[23:52] <tgm4883> rvinkovic: what about, 'grep -R bind-address /etc/mysql'
[23:52] <tgm4883> jayjo: pipe it to sort
[23:52] <tgm4883> jayjo: something like 'du | sort -n -r | head'
[23:53] <jayjo> not enough space on device to even write with sort
[23:53] <rvinkovic> sudo grep -R bind-address /etc/mysql/
[23:53] <rvinkovic> /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/50-server.cnf:bind-address		= <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:53] <rvinkovic> /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/99-openstack.conf:bind-address = 10.0.0.
[23:53] <jayjo> and can't tab out either
[23:53] <tgm4883> jayjo: I'd take a quick look in /var/log and see if there was something old you can delete
[23:53] <jayjo> bash can't finish out directories
[23:54] <rvinkovic> sry it is .11 on the last one, missclick copy
[23:54] <tgm4883> rvinkovic: odd, I'd want to see startup logs for mariadb then
[23:55] <tgm4883> hopefully that would shed some light
[23:55] <jayjo> both kern.log.1 and syslog.1 are roughly<PHONE_NUMBER>0 in size
[23:55] <jayjo> is .1 more recent or older than the file without the appended number
[23:55] <rvinkovic> tgm4883: /var/log/mysql/error.log?
[23:55] <tgm4883> jayjo: not generally a good thing, but I'd delete those
[23:56] <jayjo> others are zipped to syslog.2.gz
[23:56] <tgm4883> rvinkovic: well, that would be the error log, not the startup log. I think you're looking for something else
[23:56] <tgm4883> jayjo: I doubt you can gzip those currently
[23:57] <jayjo> OK that did it
[23:57] <jayjo> Unsure of why they got so bloated
[23:57] <jayjo> when I am sure that yesterday the drive was at 50%
[23:57] <tgm4883> jayjo: well, that's why now that you have space you take a look at both syslog and kern
[23:57] <linux_user_> I tried to do a do-release-upgrade on Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 and it failed, any ideas?
[23:58] <rvinkovic> tgm4883: i dont think i know where it is, i only have error.log in /var/log/mysql
[23:59] <tgm4883> rvinkovic: probably kept in journald somewhere


[08:32] <mandel> morning all!
[09:37] <karni> dobey: correct - "the photos stuff on android doesn't sync. it only auto-uploads, as i understand"
[09:42] <rye> karni: upvote bug #989506
[09:43] <karni> rye: I'm reading up on u1-internal, what you talked about with James. Is that it?
[09:44] <karni> rye: ok, how do I upvote?
[09:44] <karni> affects me?
[09:44] <rye> karni: yep
[11:21] <mandel> finally back
[11:21] <mandel> rye, thx!
[11:21] <gatox> good morning!
[11:24] <mandel> gatox, hello!
[11:24] <gatox> mandel, hi
[11:53] <gatox> mandel, i forgot to ask you..... did you answer mmcc e-mail or i should do it?
[11:54] <mandel> gatox, I did no, I can do it, no worries
[11:54] <gatox> mandel, if you want..... i can do it too.... let me know
[11:55] <alecu> hey, holas
[11:55] <gatox> alecu, buenas
[11:56] <gatox> alecu, bring me a t-shirt from UDS please!! :P
[11:56] <alecu> gatox, I'll try
[11:57] <alecu> mandel, last night I noticed that the last 3.0.0 installer still had qt 4.8 instead of 4.7
[11:57] <alecu> mandel, so brian will make yet another installer today.
[11:58] <mandel> alecu, I read that, brian metioned py2exe being too smart and using the old build
[11:58] <alecu> it also had an older version of ssl than the one in 2.0.3 (<IP_ADDRESS> in 3.0.0, instead of <IP_ADDRESS> in 2.0.3)
[11:58] <mandel> alecu, I have tested what we talked about, I done get ssl errors, instead the deferred is never called
[11:59] <alecu> mandel, .... what did we talk about? I remember we talked about many things, but not about that.
[11:59] <alecu> my mind is like a fortress
[11:59] <mandel> alecu, testing performing a request over https when we do not have ssl certs on the other side
[12:00] <alecu> mandel, and which deferred gets never called?
[12:01] <mandel> alecu, yield wc.request('https://blah.com')
[12:04] <alecu> mandel, oh, right. Well, I'm doing the same test, with a twisted server too, but with a qt client.
[12:04] <alecu> mandel, and I get different kinds of error, but nothing like the one we get on those logs.
[12:05] <alecu> hmmm... perhaps I should be running this tests on windows.
[12:06] <mandel> alecu, might be a thing to test..
[12:06] <mandel> alecu, a platform might behave in a diff wa
[12:06] <mandel> y
[12:25] <mandel> lunch time here
[12:25]  * mandel lunch
[12:34] <thisfred> dobey, if you have time for a C review: https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/u1db/number-mapping/+merge/103862
[12:55] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:56] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[12:57] <alecu> gatox, ping
[12:57] <gatox> alecu, pong
[12:57] <alecu> gatox: can you try this branch on windows? https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/+junk/qt-ssl-error/
[12:58] <alecu> ralsina, morning
[12:58] <gatox> alecu, ok
[12:58] <gatox> alecu, should i run the tests or something else?
[12:58] <alecu> ralsina, two bits of news: the latest version we gave joshuahoover mistakenly got built with qt 4.8 instead of 4.7
[12:58] <ralsina> oops
[12:58] <alecu> gatox: run the tests is fine.
[12:58] <ralsina> alecu: qt 4.8 or pyqt 4.8?
[12:58] <alecu> ralsina, so brian will be making a new installer today with 4.7
[12:59] <alecu> ralsina, qt
[12:59] <ralsina> oooook
[12:59] <alecu> ralsina, also I found that the latest installer used a slightly older ssl version than the one in 2.0.3
[13:00] <ralsina> alecu: 2.0.3 was built in my notebook instead of brians
[13:00] <ralsina> alecu: we could add checks for openssl version, I suppose
[13:00] <alecu> ralsina, (SSLEAY.dll version <IP_ADDRESS> in 2.0.3 but <IP_ADDRESS> in 3.0.0)
[13:01] <gatox> alecu, i get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/949718/ do i need to add something to the path or anything?
[13:01] <alecu> ralsina, finally, I think I managed to reproduce the issue on windows by making a qt client connect to a twisted server with some broken certificates
[13:01] <ralsina> alecu: "broken" how specifically?
[13:02] <alecu> gatox: that's awesome.
[13:03] <alecu> gatox: I'm getting this, which is much closer to the bug we are getting:
[13:03] <alecu> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/949723/
[13:04] <alecu> ralsina, so, in gatox's install, we are getting the rigth error, because the certificate is self signed.
[13:04] <alecu> ralsina, but in my install we are getting the "No error" and the certificate shows up empty.
[13:04] <ralsina> How the HECK can error 0 be "the certificate is self signed and untrusted"????
[13:06] <alecu> ralsina, in gatox install it comes correctly: the sslErrors gets two parameters: reply and a list of errors. The reply has error 0, but one of the errors (the only one) has error 9: The certificate is self-signed, and untrusted.
[13:06] <alecu> ralsina, that means that if gatox builds the installer, when it gets run on the clients machine it will log the exact ssl error.
[13:06] <alecu> on the other hand
[13:07] <alecu> in my install, the list of errors has one item too, but that one error is ZERO.
[13:07] <alecu> and that's completely wrong.
[13:07] <alecu> it should be error 9.
[13:07] <alecu> I suspect I have the same versions as brian.
[13:08] <alecu> ralsina, gatox: does this make sense? ^
[13:08] <ralsina> alecu: maybe
[13:08] <alecu> so, gatox: let's compare installed versions of qt and everything else.
[13:09] <alecu> gatox: go to Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features
[13:09] <ralsina> alecu: if it's the SSL, then we need to find a way to check the version and add it to the buildout or setup.py as a test and fail if we don't meet it
[13:09] <gatox> alecu, pyqt 4.8.4-1......... Qt 1.1.0
[13:09] <alecu> qt 1.1.0 ?
[13:10] <gatox> alecu, mmmmmm that is wrong
[13:10] <gatox> wait
[13:10] <alecu> gatox: I've got PyQt v4.9-1 and pycrypto 2.3.0.
[13:11] <gatox> alecu, pycrypto 2.3.0 also
[13:12] <facundobatista> alecu, mandel, can you please review and run https://code.launchpad.net/~verterok/ubuntuone-client/fix-987376/+merge/103273 in windows? some stuff related to windows was modified there, thanks!
[13:12] <gatox> alecu, Qt 4.7.1
[13:12] <gatox> alecu, i didn't update my windows vm it seems
[13:13] <ralsina> gatox: DON'T
[13:14] <alecu> gatox: that's great :-)
[13:14] <ralsina> gatox: finding Qt 4.7 + PyQt is not easy ;-)
[13:14] <dobey> mandel: was sso the only thing that used txtcpserver?
[13:14] <alecu> I'm checking in an older vm, too.
[13:15] <alecu> It's got PyQt 4.8 (probably qt 4.7)
[13:15] <alecu> lo and behold, I get the same error as gatox.
[13:16] <verterok> facundobatista: nothing to worry about, not it's the same in windows and linux :)
[13:16] <facundobatista> verterok, I was trying to get a free review!
[13:17] <verterok> hehe
[13:17] <verterok> facundobatista: yes, it should be tested in windows too
[13:18] <facundobatista> alecu, mandel, there, there, :)
[13:19] <alecu> facundobatista, verterok: you are very lucky that we have review days, and that gatox and/or dobey will be able to run the tests on windows!
[13:20] <alecu> well, probably not dobey :P
[13:20] <dobey> gatox: ^^ :)
[13:20] <gatox> ok..... running the tests.....
[13:32] <gatox> verterok, facundobatista http://paste.ubuntu.com/949773/
[13:35] <verterok> gatox: weird, the change is unrelated :(
[13:35] <gatox> verterok, i'm running trunk now, and i get the same error
[13:35] <verterok> ouch
[13:35] <dobey> gatox: is jenkins not reporting the same error?
[13:36] <gatox> dobey, i don't know
[13:36] <dobey> hrmm
[13:40] <facundobatista> gatox, you broke it
[13:41] <gatox> facundobatista, ??
[13:41] <dobey> hrmm, jenkins seems to report a few other errors
[13:43] <gatox> facundobatista, mmmmm it seems related to a branch i propose...... but it was working in my branch......
[13:45] <joshuahoover> alecu: so i should expect a new installer today to send out?
[13:46] <mandel> dobey, yes :)
[13:46] <mandel> facundobatista, looking :)
[13:47] <mandel> gatox, connection test case error? wtf? any idea?
[13:47] <alecu> joshuahoover, yes: as soon as briancurtin wakes up we'll ask him to work on that.
[13:47] <joshuahoover> alecu: heh, you haven't called him yet? ;)
[13:48] <mandel> alecu, joshuahoover, shall I send the flying monkeys to chicago?
[13:48] <joshuahoover> mandel: yes please
[13:48] <gatox> mandel, nop..... i'll look for the branch that was related to that to see the change (i'm finishing with the bloody mac scripts for tests rght now)....... but i know it was working when i proposed it
[13:48] <briancurtin> alecu: i'm guessing you're talking about the versions? i'm looking right now
[13:48] <joshuahoover> mandel: is that where they keep the flying monkeys - spain?
[13:48] <gatox> it's weird.....
[13:49] <alecu> mandel, those are some fast monkeys!
[13:49] <mandel> joshuahoover, yes, we also have rats :)
[13:49] <alecu> briancurtin, awesome!
[13:49] <mandel> gatox, hm, let me try and run them on my vm
[13:50] <alecu> briancurtin, so, for the record: this morning I made a small tests branch that reproduces the ssl error that we found on the logs.
[13:50] <mandel> alecu, can I see that one?
[13:50] <alecu> briancurtin, I managed to make it fail using pyqt 4.9 (qt 4.8) on windows.
[13:51] <alecu> briancurtin, but it worked for gatox, who has pyqt 4.8 (qt 4.7)
[13:51] <alecu> mandel, https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/+junk/qt-ssl-error/
[13:51] <briancurtin> interesting
[13:52] <alecu> mandel, take a look at gatox's run: http://paste.ubuntu.com/949718/
[13:52] <alecu> mandel, and compare it to mine: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/949723/
[13:52] <alecu> (btw, just noticed my test run took 30s longer than gatox's) !!!!
[13:53] <mandel> alecu, hm, is yours the one with no cert details?
[13:53] <alecu> mandel, right!
[13:53] <alecu> mandel, and No error (0)
[13:55] <alecu> mandel, so, we get the sslErrors(reply, errors) signal. reply is still going on, so it has no error "Unknown error (0)".
[13:55] <mandel> alecu, so, with Qt 4.8 you get no error (0) and no cert details, gatox gets (0) but also (9) which is for a selfsigned cert
[13:55] <alecu> mandel, but the "errors" list has one item, with "No error (0)" (WRONG!) and empty certificate (WRONG!!!!)
[13:55] <alecu> mandel, right.
[13:56] <alecu> mandel, gatox is using qt 4.7
[13:56] <ralsina> If we isolated it this far, we can probably do a good bug report for upstream
[13:57] <mandel> alecu,wow! so, ignoring the fact that we are getting a (0) with gatox which I cannot explaing, 4.8 has a serious bug qhen dealing with ssl
[13:57] <gatox> i feel that everything works different for me always :P
[13:57] <alecu> mandel, I can explain the first (0): it's the expected
[13:57] <alecu> behaviour.
[13:57] <mandel> alecu, why?
[13:58] <alecu> mandel, at the point the sslErrors signal is thrown, the "reply" still has not decided if it will succeed or not.
[13:58] <alecu> mandel, it's up to your handler code in sslErrors to decide if you want to ignore the certificates or not.
[13:59] <alecu> mandel, if your code decides to ignore the certificates it can do so with .ignoresslerrors or something like that.
[13:59] <mandel> alecu, and due to that it will always have a first (0) in the list?
[13:59] <alecu> mandel, no. In gatox's case the first (0) comes from "reply", not from "errors".
[13:59] <mandel> alecu, oh, ok
[13:59] <alecu> mandel, remember: signal sslErrors(reply, errors)
[14:00] <alecu> mandel, and only "errors" is a list.
[14:00] <mandel> alecu, I though I was looking just at the list of sslErrors
[14:01] <alecu> mandel, can you take a look at the code in that branch and try to run it?
[14:01] <mandel> alecu, yes, I'm reading it right now
[14:02] <alecu> ralsina, if you have pyqt 4.9 in your vm, please try running that branch too.
[14:02] <alecu> ralsina,  https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/+junk/qt-ssl-error/
[14:02] <ralsina> alecu: no windows VM, would be a reboot
[14:02] <alecu> and briancurtin too.
[14:02] <ralsina> alecu: and I'd rather not today :-(
[14:02] <alecu> ralsina, no prob.
[14:03] <mandel> alecu, what happens if you use the DefaultOpenSSLContextFactory?
[14:03] <gatox> mandel, dobey could you review this branches? https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/mac-port/+merge/103488  -  https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/mac-env/+merge/103525   (If you are going to test it IRL, remember that you need to run first the env-mac script from the u1-windows-installer branch)
[14:04] <dobey> does it really make sense to have mac branches of ubuntuone-windows-installer?
[14:05] <czajkowski> duanedes1gn: ping
[14:06] <mandel> dobey, no, it does not, I would do a new project for that
[14:06] <alecu> mandel, it's the same if I use the Default....
[14:06] <mandel> alecu, so, why the diff?
[14:06] <alecu> mandel, I just subclassed it so I could play with including/excluding some bits of the certificate.
[14:07] <mandel> alecu, also, here we found a bug in the fact that the cert info is not given, yet not why it happens with our 'correct' certs, right?
[14:07] <alecu> mandel, "it's the same" -> "it should be the same". Because I've not tried it. :-)
[14:07] <mandel> alecu, hehe, I'll try it :)
[14:08] <gatox> mandel, dobey with those branches, it's possible to execute the tests in mac without ttouching anything in u1-client, or putting unnecessary things in the environment of the user
[14:12] <briancurtin> alecu: ok, wow, with the proper older PyQt/Qt setup, u1cp does not start at all. nothing in log files about it either :/
[14:13] <mandel> alecu, I see the same behaviour as you do, that is, no cert details on my windows vm, on P I can see the cert details
[14:13] <dobey> gatox: why do you dump stuff into ~/.profile instead of just altering the current environment?
[14:14] <mandel> alecu, so, an other options is pushing the version to be the same as the on in P
[14:14] <gatox> dobey, like what
[14:14] <gatox> ?
[14:14] <mandel> alecu, but as briancurtin is a PITA
[14:14] <gatox> dobey, what do you mean with "altering the current environment"?
[14:15] <briancurtin> mandel: if we really need that im sure i can figure it out eventually, but i spent almost a full day and got nowhere with it, and it seems no one tries to build their own PyQt with a custom Qt version
[14:18] <gatox> dobey, you only execute the env-mac script once..... so i need to save the references to u1lint, etc in some other place to be accesed for the scripts in each project
[14:19] <mandel> briancurtin, alecu, so, if we go back on version, it does not start yet we see the cert info, if we move up the qt version in theory we get both..
[14:21] <briancurtin> this PyQt/Qt I have installed doesn't have QSslCertificate, apparently ("from PyQt4 import QtNetwork" works, but it doesn't have QtSslCertificate)
[14:21] <dobey> gatox: i mean, why doesn't it modify the environment when run, and why don't you just have it executed from ~/.profile?
[14:22] <mandel> briancurtin, wow!
[14:22] <james_w> hi all, I bought an album in the music store (rhythmbox 12.04) yesterday, and it hasn't been downloaded yet (either to my machine, nor to the web streaming player) is there a way to diagnose the issue further?
[14:22] <dobey> gatox: rather than just blindly dumping extra stuff at the end of .profile
[14:22] <briancurtin> s/QtSsl/QSsl/ on that last line
[14:23] <gatox> dobey, i'm not sure i understand you..... i can't just modify the environment when i run the tests...... because the run-tests script from sso.... doesn't know about the buildout
[14:23] <dobey> joshuahoover, rye, duanedes1gn: ^^ can you look at james_w's album issue?
[14:23] <mandel> dobey, gatox, I really think we should create a mac project for this, adding it you windows is not a good idea
[14:23] <james_w> thanks dobey
[14:23] <dobey> gatox: no no, not in run-tests. in this env-mac script
[14:23] <dobey> gatox: i never mentioned run-tests
[14:23] <gatox> mandel, maybe we should rename the windows one to something generic
[14:24] <gatox> dobey, example? i'm not following you
[14:24] <mandel> gatox, AFAIK there are windows things there, right?
[14:25] <gatox> mandel, yes...... but doing another project for mac..... we are be copying a bunch of stuff from there....... so we are going to have duplicated things..... and we will need to mantain two simmilar projects
[14:25] <dobey> gatox: have your .profile run the env-mac script, and have the env-mac script do the export FOO=$BAR stuff, and it gets executed every time you log in, and you don't have to re-log (or restart the terminal) to get a working environment.
[14:25] <dobey> mandel, gatox: we can deal with the project naming issue later
[14:26] <gatox> dobey, i'm not sure i like that solution
[14:27] <briancurtin> eventually, and i dont know when this will be, but this whole buildot thing will probably live in its own top level project, not in a subfolder of ubuntuone-windows-installer
[14:27] <dobey> gatox: and dumping junk in your ~/.profile is a better solution?
[14:28] <alecu> briancurtin, mandel: sorry, I was on mumble.
[14:28] <alecu> catching up with the log.
[14:29] <gatox> dobey, i'm not sure about running a script that finds stuff and that, everytime you open a terminal
[14:29] <mmcc_absent> hi everyone, catching up
[14:30] <mmcc> gatox, what dobey is saying is the same as what I ended up doing on Tuesday
[14:30] <duanedes1gn> czajkowski: pong
[14:30] <mmcc> except I didn't put env-mac in my profile because I'll forget it's there
[14:31] <dobey> gatox: why are you doing a find? what happens if the path changes? then your ~/.profile is broken, or you run the script again and you have a bunch of duplicate junk at the bottom of it
[14:32] <dobey> gatox: or why not just run it whenever you need it, and it only modifies current environment, instead of injecting stuff into .profile
[14:32] <mandel> dobey, gatox, I much more prefer the last option ^
[14:32] <mmcc> dobey +1 that;s what I like too, for the reasons I said above
[14:32] <mandel> dobey, gatox, I really don't fill good on my env being modified to run tests and be left like that
[14:34] <gatox> not modifying .profile at all??...... so you need to searchhhhh for the env-mac script everytime you want to do anything u1 related?
[14:34] <gatox> i'll prefer to add at least an alias in the .profile to run the script
[14:34] <briancurtin> that's how i do it on windows with that env.bat script. if you want to do u1, start up a u1 env
[14:35] <dobey> gatox: well you can add an alias to your own .profile, and others can just run it when they need it
[14:35] <mmcc> gatox, you can always put an alias, but just don't do it automatically
[14:35]  * mmcc will let dobey type for him for a while
[14:36] <mandel> ralsina, 1-1 before standup?
[14:36] <ralsina> mandel: sure, starting mumble
[14:36] <dobey> heh
[14:40] <alecu> briancurtin, so, what version of PyQt did you install? I find it really weird that it has no SSL support.
[14:40] <alecu> briancurtin, perhaps it needs pycrypto installed too?
[14:41] <briancurtin> if it did, it would be nice if it told me that. i *just* uninstalled it 1' ago, i'll reinstall to get the proper version numbers
[14:41] <briancurtin> i couldn't run your test because the QSslCertificate import failed, but QNetwork (which ssl is in) works fine
[14:42] <alecu> awful.
[14:42] <gatox> mmcc, can you share your script?
[14:43] <mmcc> gatox, sure, which script are you referring to? The mac-tests script I did for u1-client, or ?
[14:43] <gatox> mmcc, no, the one which you use yo setup the environment
[14:45] <mmcc> ok, just a sev
[14:48] <mmcc> gatox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/949918/ -- it is just the output of your script, run for me, with some tweaks
[14:49] <briancurtin> alecu: i'm on PyQt 4.8.6 - Qt 4.7.4. QSslCertificate was added to Qt in 4.3. there's no QSslCertificate in the QtNetwork package
[14:49] <mmcc> gatox: if I was going to put it in the buildout I would just use `pwd` and relative paths, i guess
[14:49] <alecu> briancurtin, can you try installing pycrypto?
[14:50] <gatox> mmcc, no, i didn't want to add that..... just wanted to see how are you doing the script...... because if i execute a script that contain that...... as soon as the script finish, everything that the script set, is not remembered (which is correct for me)
[14:52] <gatox> mmcc, so, how are you executing that?
[14:52] <mmcc> gatox, oh, I  just do  "source scriptname.sh"
[14:52] <mmcc> applies changes to current environment
[14:54] <gatox> mmcc, thanks
[14:54] <mmcc> gatox, sure. I think in bash you can use '.' as a shortcut for source. that works in zsh too. you know, if 'source' is too many letters ;)
[14:58] <briancurtin> alecu: no difference there
[14:58] <ralsina> mmcc, briancurtin, gatox, mandel, alecu, dobey, thisfred: standup in 2', prepare notes
[15:00] <mandel> me
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:00] <ralsina> me
[15:00] <briancurtin> me
[15:00] <alecu> me
[15:01] <dobey> what's with all this preparing? Ludicrous speed… go!
[15:01] <dobey> me
[15:01] <ralsina> thisfred: you?
[15:01] <mmcc> me
[15:02] <ralsina> mandel, go, thisfred is last
[15:02] <thisfred> me
[15:02] <mandel> DONE: fixes to support domain sockets. Continued work on tcpactivation, some ssl debugging with alecu. A bit of FF. Reviews to gatox branches.
[15:02] <mandel> TODO: finish tcp activation, fix jenkins ec2-windows node, re-review gatox branches, administration stuff (swap days etc..)
[15:02] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:02] <mandel> gatox, please
[15:02] <gatox> DONE:
[15:02] <gatox> Mumble with mandel and mmcc yesterday, finishing with the last modifications of the mac scripts. Started with the platform refactoring, mumble with lissette about a styling issue.
[15:02] <gatox> TODO:
[15:02] <gatox> Propose the last version of the scripts, keep working in the refactoring, fix some tests in u1-client
[15:02] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:02] <gatox> No
[15:02] <gatox> ralsina, go
[15:02] <ralsina> DONE: reviews, team call, 1-1s, other calls, helped around. TODO: implement a website, because it's friday and I am really trying to get rotated into beuno's team (and also other reasons) BLOCKED: django is a little more annoying than I remembered, but no NEXT:  briancurtin
[15:02] <briancurtin> DONE: got individual pieces of the installer functionality working...but bitrock doesnt make it very easy to tie them together
[15:02] <briancurtin> TOOD: figure out how to tie this installer together to fix the upgrade case and make it actually work properly
[15:02] <briancurtin> BLOCKED: none
[15:02] <briancurtin> NEXT: alecu
[15:02] <ralsina> mandel: when you say "gatox, please" I picture the yao ming meme. Now you do too :-)
[15:03] <alecu> DONE: various mumbles, found version mismatches and managed to reproduce SSL error on windows
[15:03] <alecu> TODO: more SSL debugging
[15:03] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[15:03] <alecu> NOTE: national holiday on monday and tuesday
[15:03] <alecu> NEXT: mmcc
[15:03] <mmcc> done: got bug/branch/merge workflow working, installed precise, downloaded win7, looked around at mac alternatives for pyinotify,
[15:03] <mmcc> todo: finish up bug fixes, install windows, run tests on all OSs
[15:03] <mmcc> blocked: none
[15:03] <dobey> uh
[15:03] <thisfred>  DONE: bug #987412 bug #987414 TODO: bug #987412 BLOCKED: no
[15:03] <dobey> ok
[15:03] <dobey> λ DONE: backports, review
[15:03] <dobey> λ TODO: reviews, backports, SRUs, u1db packaging/buildsys
[15:03] <dobey> λ BLCK: none.
[15:03] <mandel> lol;
[15:03] <ralsina> thisfred: early!
[15:03] <dobey> since alecu was temporarily blinded or something
[15:04] <ralsina> or something. Sloppy :-)
[15:04] <alecu> dobey, sorry! :P
[15:05] <mmcc> what are you guys talking about, seriously
[15:06] <ralsina> mmcc: the standup was out of order
[15:06] <ralsina> mmcc: we have a running problem with having all of us stand in line and type a status.
[15:06] <mmcc> ralsina: oh ok this would be helpful: what is the order? :)
[15:07] <ralsina> mmcc: whatever order we say "me" in
[15:07] <mmcc> ralsina: gotcha
[15:07] <ralsina> mmcc: in this case, alecu broke the chain by passing the baton to you instead o dobey
[15:08] <ralsina> As for the yao ming mention: http://memegenerator.net/instance/19536695
[15:08] <ralsina> mmcc: also, this team is ... somewhat informal.
[15:08] <alecu> mmcc, you mentioned " mac alternatives for pyinotify
[15:08] <alecu> "
[15:08] <mmcc> ralsina :)
[15:08] <dobey> haha
[15:08] <dobey> 'somewhat informal'
[15:09]  * ralsina is probably a bad influence
[15:09] <alecu> mmcc, we've been discussing some of the alternatives a few weeks ago.
[15:09] <roasted> hello!
[15:09] <roasted> why does u1 hate me :(
[15:09] <mmcc> alecu: yes, I was up late, so I poked around. I figured, if pyinotify could be easily ported or replaced without much change in our code, that'd be good.
[15:09] <dobey> roasted: did you kick it when it was down?
[15:09] <alecu> mmcc, this is a nice introduction to the problem of filesystem events in osx:  http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2007/10/mac-os-x-10-5.ars/7
[15:09] <gatox> ralsina, heheheh
[15:09] <ralsina> roasted: it doesn't hate you, it may not understand you! What happened?
[15:10] <roasted> It comes up every so many minutes and says "Ubuntu One is now downloading 200 files"... minutes later, "Ubuntu One is now downloading 199 files"
[15:10] <roasted> I think it's confused from what I did to it yesterday :(
[15:10] <alecu> mmcc, it does not look likely that pyinotify could be easily ported.
[15:10] <ralsina> roasted: that's a known bug
[15:10] <dobey> roasted: did you dump more than 200 files into it?
[15:10] <ralsina> roasted: it maxes at 200 files. You probably have much more than 200.
[15:10] <roasted> I do have more than 200. I think 260ish.
[15:10] <roasted> I synced my android to U1 (backing up pictureS) and I hoped it would sync down to my computer.
[15:11] <ralsina> roasted: the numbers should eventually start making sense
[15:11] <alecu> mmcc, so, all osx notifiers are based on the FSEvents API discussed in that article.
[15:11] <roasted> For an automagical download of my cell pictures
[15:11] <dobey> roasted: every time a file in that finishes syncing, it will notify of "X and 199 other files" until you have less than 200 left :-/
[15:11] <alecu> mmcc, but FSEvents does not provide "per file" notifications.
[15:11] <dobey> roasted: it's a known bug
[15:11] <mmcc> alecu: ok, didn't look at pyinotify code, but I found this: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/MacFSEvents/
[15:11] <mmcc> alecu which claims to provide per file notifs
[15:11] <mmcc> alecu: and pyinotify style interface, down to the cookies
[15:12] <mmcc> alecu, it starts separate threads to watch things though, so that's a difference.
[15:13] <alecu> mmcc, looking
[15:13] <roasted> dobey: so, what should I do? are you suggesting it'll *eventually* sort itself out and sync everything to my computer?
[15:13] <ralsina> roasted: yes, no action required on your part
[15:14]  * briancurtin need coffee, back shortly
[15:14] <roasted> ralsina: ah okay. I just didn't think it would take a while. I left the igzmo run for a good 30 minutes and didn't see any new pictures in that folder in my home directory....
[15:14] <dobey> roasted: yes, you'll just get some extraneous notifications
[15:14] <dobey> roasted: file sync may be a bit slower than normal currently, due to the Ubuntu 12.04 release
[15:15] <roasted> dobey: hm, I guess I didn't think they would be linked... the release + U1 that is. But that makes sense.
[15:15] <alecu> mmcc, this bit sounds expensive: "Note that the logic to implement file events is implemented in Python; a snapshot of the observed file system hierarchies is maintained and used to monitor file events."
[15:15] <roasted> dobey: I suppose U1 goes to the main server, unlike the repos where I can "select best server" for higher speed?
[15:15] <roasted> ha, imagine that. I JUST had a new picture pop up in my folder.
[15:16] <mmcc> alecu, I saw that too. bit of a red flag, but I wouldn't know for sure without testing it
[15:16] <dobey> roasted: indeed we don't have 'mirrors' for u1 :P
[15:16] <roasted> gotcha :D
[15:16] <mmcc> btw, what's the story on licenses? this thing is BSD licensed. can we use that?
[15:17] <mmcc> (at my last job we were regularly reminded to be super paranoid about software licenses, as you might imagine)
[15:17] <dobey> mmcc: licenses are hard. if it's plain BSD without any insanity, it should be fine to use
[15:18] <mmcc> dobey, from pypi it is listed as straight bsd, so I expect no unusual insanity
[15:19] <steveccc_> I am sure its been asked a million times but is there a timeline for getting an ubuntu1 app for mac?
[15:20] <dobey> it's being worked on
[15:20] <ralsina> steveccc_: mmcc was hired last monday to work on it, along with several other people in this very channel :-)
[15:21] <steveccc_> i appreciate they are working hard but does that indicate days, weeks, months etc
[15:21] <ralsina> steveccc_: months
[15:21] <steveccc_> ok many thanks
[15:21] <dobey> sometime before the big rip :)
[15:22] <steveccc_> i prefer to work on linux but work machine is mac and hence just trying to pick the best external storage for the moment - think will have to be dropbox for now
[15:26] <mmcc> steveccc_: if you don't mind saying, what kind of work do you do that requires a mac when you prefer linux?
[15:26] <alecu> mmcc, I'm taking a look at the code from MacFSEvents. I like that it provides an api similar to pyinotify. Also, as I expected, it does a stat on every file in a given dir every time it gets a "something changed in this dir" event.
[15:26] <dobey> ok, need to get lunch. bbiab
[15:27] <alecu> mmcc, since that sounds like it would be painfully slow, we've been considering the option of having a separate small daemon running as root, and taking events from /dev/fsevents
[15:28] <alecu> mmcc, that is, if the user allows that bit to be installed as root. If not, we would revert to some of the ways to use FSEvents.
[15:28] <mmcc> alecu, why does it have to run as root?
[15:28] <alecu> mmcc, because that's the way /dev/fsevents works :-(
[15:28] <alecu> mmcc, it's well explained in the ars article I pasted above.
[15:29] <mmcc> alecu, ugh. but I guess if you use the fsevent C api, you don't need to be root?
[15:29] <mmcc> I'm more than happy to write a C extension to avoid having to run as root
[15:29] <alecu> mmcc, if you use the FSEvents api you don't need to be root. But you don't get "per file" events. Only an event saying "something changed in this folder"
[15:29] <alecu> mmcc, and that's what MacFSEvents does.
[15:30] <alecu> mmcc, also the "watchdog" python module, and a few more.
[15:30] <mmcc> alecu, ok, now I get what you were saying.
[15:30] <mmcc> about stat() - it gets a dir event then stats the files to figure out what changed.
[15:30] <mmcc> right? bad.
[15:31] <steveccc_> mmcc: unfortunately have to use adobe CS3
[15:31] <alecu> mmcc, right. FSevent provides the path where changes have happened to the callback. And it's up to the callback to stat every file to see which file changed.
[15:32] <alecu> mmcc, that's why it needs to have the previous stat of each file.
[15:32] <alecu> mmcc, I see that MacFSEvents uses the file time. But we should also keep a checksum, to be extra careful.
[15:33] <mmcc> steveccc_: ah, that makes sense. so I assume you have seen http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/ ? fi you get nothing else from our conversation, I hope to lend a chuckle...
[15:34] <mmcc> alecu, yes it seems like a bad option after all
[15:34] <steveccc_> mmcc: thanks - will have a look later - have to disconnect now - thanks for the help
[15:37] <joshuahoover> briancurtin: any estimate on when a new build with the older qt will be ready? i'd like to send that out asap in hopes of getting some feedback yet today
[15:38] <briancurtin> joshuahoover: unfortunately never, unless i find a way to build my own custom package of it. the older PyQt/Qt package that I downloaded does not contain SSL support for whatever reason...
[15:39] <briancurtin> but alecu might have a better handle on what's needed since he reproduced the issue on the current version
[15:39] <joshuahoover> briancurtin: ah, ok :(
[15:39] <joshuahoover> ralsina: soooo...i'm not sure what we should be trying next but we need to keep eliminating possibilities between why 2.0.3 works for these impacted users but not 3.0.0
[15:39] <alecu> mmcc, so, we were planning on having a daemon listening for file events. Either one running as root (reading from /dev/fsevents), or, if the user did not allow it, we would have our syncdaemon start one that reads from the FSEvents API, and doing something similar with stat and checksums to what we discussed.
[15:40] <mmcc> alecu, ok, I understand the plan.
[15:40] <alecu> mmcc, we were planning to use the "watchdog" module. But MacFSEvents looks nice too.
[15:41] <ralsina> joshuahoover: we have very promising data about Qt versions being guilty
[15:41] <ralsina> joshuahoover: ok, I huld read more backlog ;-)
[15:41] <ralsina> should
[15:42] <ralsina> briancurtin: apparently gatox has the right combination on his VM
[15:42] <alecu> ralsina, the thing is that briancurtin found that his old pyqt version has no proper support for ssl.
[15:42] <ralsina> alecu: maybe gatox still has his pyqt download?
[15:42] <gatox> ralsina, alecu briancurtin probably...... let me check
[15:42] <alecu> ralsina, I certainly do have mine. I'm starting a vm to see if it has the proper ssl.
[15:42] <ralsina> alecu: awesome
[15:42]  * rye is interested in all this
[15:43] <joshuahoover> ralsina: if it is due to a bug in the newer version of qt, it's strange that it hasn't impacted everyone
[15:43] <alecu> mmcc, we can discuss a bit more about events later today, or next week.
[15:43] <briancurtin> it may be because i have a PyQt package installed from a third party. unfortunately the version gatox is using doesnt seem to be available from the PyQt people anywhere
[15:43] <ralsina> joshuahoover: there are a few reports, and it could even be a combination PyQt/OpenSSL version
[15:43] <mmcc> alecu, sure. I was just poking around, I can get back to these bugs :)
[15:44] <rye> salgado: re: indicator-ubuntuone starting syncdaemon - that's a u1sdtool bug #978934
[15:45] <salgado> rye, ok, thanks!
[15:46] <gatox> briancurtin, alecu ralsina i have all the installers
[15:47] <gatox> do you need it?
[15:47] <gatox> dobey, mandel branches updated..... can you review them?
[15:47] <ralsina> gatox: not me, briancurtin, I guess yes
[15:47] <briancurtin> gatox: if you have a PyQt 4.8 installer, I'll take it. that should have Qt 4.7
[15:48] <ralsina> afk brb
[15:48] <mandel> gatox, sure
[15:49] <alecu> briancurtin, is this check enough? "from PyQt4.QtNetwork import QSslSocket"
[15:49] <briancurtin> I was checking QSslCertificate, which was used in your test. let me see if the socket one works
[15:49] <gatox> briancurtin, ok...... i'll upload it while i have lunch
[15:50] <briancurtin> alecu: no QsslSocket either
[15:50]  * gatox lunch
[15:50] <rye> salgado: i guess i will have to work around it somehow
[15:50] <alecu> briancurtin, so that check should tell me if the PyQt 4.8 I have has SSL support.
[15:52] <gatox_lunch> mandel, dobey u1-windows-installer updated..... i forgot to remove something
[15:53] <mandel> ok
[16:02] <alecu> briancurtin, I've checked my installer for PyQt-Py2.7-x86-gpl-4.8.4-1, and it seems to have ssl support
[16:02] <alecu> briancurtin, I'll upload it too.
[16:03] <alecu> briancurtin, I'll take a while, since upstream speeds suck around here...
[16:04] <briancurtin> alecu: no problem, whenever you have it i'll install it and take a look
[16:04] <mmcc> me updates virtualbox for the second time this week
[16:06] <alecu> mmcc, yes, it gets more annoying when all your guest machines start asking for the updates to the "guest additions" too...
[16:32] <dobey> gatox_lunch: ok
[16:47] <rye> i guess there was indeed the reason of keeping everything on a striped raid... vm speed started to be really slow after reinstall :-/
[16:48] <alecu> briancurtin, http://ubuntuone.com/3NqtkLmI5SYFzD6cmQEOnY (PyQt-Py2.7-x86-gpl-4.8.4-1.exe)
[16:49] <alecu> briancurtin, md5sum: fe4e7850e94edf9b62866fb166a3961c
[16:50] <gatox> alecu, it's good you upload it...... mine gets stuck
[16:50] <mandel> EOD for me, all, have a great weekend!
[16:50] <gatox> mandel, bye
[16:50] <briancurtin> have a good weekend mandel
[16:50] <mmcc> bye mandel!
[16:51] <alecu> bye mandel
[16:53] <briancurtin> alecu: ah, right away this installer looks like it'll work. the first page mentioned having the required OpenSSL DLLs...the other one didn't say that
[16:53] <alecu> briancurtin, great.
[16:53] <alecu> briancurtin, anyway: I'm not sure this fix will solve the issue the SSL error, but it will allow us to get meaningful logs.
[16:57] <briancurtin> import QSslCertificate works, so i'll build the installer and see how it goes
[17:13] <briancurtin> alecu: this installer seems to work. i'll upload it shortly
[17:25] <alecu> briancurtin, you've surely remembered to include mandel's branch that logs ssl errors with more detail, right?
[17:25] <dobey> whee, arduino
[17:25]  * alecu is playing with arduino this days, too.
[17:25] <gatox> alecu, awesome!
[17:25] <briancurtin> alecu: yep, it's in there. the installer is all release-3_0_0 tag projects, and then SSO has mandel's branch merged in
[17:25] <alecu> briancurtin, great.
[17:26] <alecu> dobey, are you building anything with arduino???
[17:26] <mmcc> baby woke up => lunchtime.
[17:27] <dobey> alecu: i will be, yeah. my kit just arrived at the door :)
[17:29] <dobey> alecu: any idea why a couple of the proxy related tests in sso would give a twisted TimeoutError?
[17:30] <dobey> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/103274375/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.ubuntu-sso-client_3.1%2Br951-46~oneiric1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:12] <briancurtin> ugh, sorry for anyone waiting on this installer (joshuahoover)...synching it is taking forever
[18:12] <joshuahoover> briancurtin: np, just let me know when it's ready :)
[18:19] <gatox> alecu, ping...... how can i run a specific test for u1-client in linux?
[18:19] <gatox> ahhh..... dah! u1trial
[18:19] <gatox> jejeje
[18:20] <dobey> yeah, u1trial -t test_foo_works foo/tests/test_foo.py
[18:20] <gatox> dobey, thx
[18:22] <alecu> dobey, I don't have any clue as to why only those tests would timeout, since there are quite a few similar tests in that module, and most of them are passing.
[18:23] <alecu> dobey, perhaps we should increase that timeout?
[18:23] <dobey> alecu: hmm, not sure
[18:32] <dobey> alecu: i'll retry it and see what happens
[18:34] <ralsina> alecu: I just had a SSL handshake failure in a django app connecting to ubuntu one :-)
[18:34] <dobey> ralsina: awesome
[18:34] <alecu> ralsina, awesome?
[18:35] <alecu> dobey, yup, I'm using it as a walking cane.
[18:35] <ralsina> alecu: well, I have an error for it!
[18:35] <alecu> ralsina, tellme
[18:35] <ralsina> alecu: [Errno 8] _ssl.c:504: EOF occurred in violation of protocol
[18:35] <alecu> ralsina, did you get that handshake failure more than once?
[18:35] <ralsina> alecu: the connection is getting aborted. And only once.
[18:36] <dobey> ralsina: well, getting nightlies built on oneiric is being a bit of a pain, but almost got everything building on quantal already :)
[18:36] <ralsina> dobey: awesome
[18:37] <ralsina> dobey: anything else other than the twisted version in oneiric?
[18:37] <ralsina> alecu: https://pastebin.canonical.com/65184/
[18:38] <dobey> ralsina: right now, sso test suite failing with a couple timeout errors :(
[18:38] <ralsina> dobey: par for the course. We seem to have very sensitive tests.
[18:38] <ralsina> dobey: it's always timeout or dirty reactor
[18:41] <alecu> this is *just* awesome: bug 965371
[18:41] <alecu> ralsina, ^^^^
[18:41] <ralsina> GAAAAAAHHH
[18:41] <ralsina> so now we don't know if it's us, the servers, or the freaking SSL
[18:41] <ralsina> OpenSSL I mean
[18:41] <ralsina> this bug is movig *backwards*
[18:42] <briancurtin> i dont think this installer is going to work with the old PyQt...it's not synching
[18:42] <ralsina> alecu: not to mention it's *exactly* what I just saw.
[18:42] <briancurtin> looking at logs now
[18:43] <alecu> briancurtin, :-(
[18:43] <briancurtin> hm, well maybe it's just taking a really really long time. on_upload_started for the installer 2 minutes ago in the logs
[18:44] <briancurtin> oh, wait, it has done that several times in the last 30 minutes.
[18:47] <briancurtin> weird. SD is busy doing *something*, but its only doing i/o in very small bursts every few seconds
[18:47] <briancurtin> usually synching something like the installer takes a minute start to finish
[18:47] <dobey> alecu: hrmm, it failed again, on the exact same 2 tests with the same timeout error
[18:48] <dobey> alecu: i guess i should file a bug and we can up the timeout as a fix?
[18:48] <alecu> dobey, right. I'll try running the tests for trunk on oneiric.
[18:49] <alecu> dobey, btw: what u1trial is being used for this? trunk too?
[18:49] <alecu> s/u1trial/u1-devtools
[18:49] <dobey> alecu: yes, what is in nightlies ppa is being used
[18:49] <alecu> ok
[18:58] <Dr_Who> urbanape, ping q on U1CachedFile and _U1CachedFile?  _U1CachedFile is autogenerated, yet in the CacheFileAccess.xcdatamodel, it pointeds to U1CachedFile in the entity.  Is that right?  Not sure how _U1CachedFile would get updated in the case of an upgrade to the model
[19:00] <urbanape> it's all mogenerated
[19:01] <urbanape> _U1CachedFile is the part that's tied to CoreData.
[19:01] <urbanape> any convenience methods are in U1CachedFile
[19:01] <Dr_Who> sure ?  guess I was thinking that _U1CachedFile would be referenced in the xcdatamodel
[19:02] <urbanape> if you make changes to the underlying .xdatamodel, we'll need to re-run mogenerator, which picks up the changes and mediates them
[19:02] <urbanape> no, mogenerator takes care of that for us
[19:02] <Dr_Who> ooo ok
[19:02] <urbanape> I mean, yes, the .xcdatamodel will refer to the "real" class
[19:02] <urbanape> but mogenerator does the stitching up behind the scenes. Outside of Xcode's purview.
[19:03] <alecu> dobey, are you using trunk when running the sso tests on oneiric? If I run trunk I get a "could not import gobject" error.
[19:03] <Dr_Who> ok ?  any reason to do it that way?  Seems like it would make use of NSEntityMigrationPolicy objects and such kind of a pain
[19:05] <dobey> alecu: yes. do you have nightlies installed and did you do apt-get build-dep ubuntu-sso-client after adding the nightlies ppa?
[19:06] <dobey> alecu: btw, i have not run the tests locally. these errors are from the buildd on launchpad that builds the PPA packages
[19:06] <alecu> dobey, I installed nightlies, updated u1-devtools, but did not update the rest of the dependencies. Will do so now.
[19:06] <alecu> thanks.
[19:10] <alecu> dobey, I installed the build-dep, but still get the same error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/950567/
[19:10] <alecu> now I'm updating the whole vm, to see if that helps.
[19:11] <dobey> alecu: you need the python-twisted-core that's in the nightlies PPA as well :)
[19:11] <alecu> dobey, great.
[19:12] <alecu> briancurtin, can you use a hand debugging that SD problem?
[19:14] <briancurtin> alecu: its impossible to debug it while its an installer so i could try debugging it from the pure python one, but how much time should i spend debugging on an old version? this is also in an area i probably have no clue of
[19:14] <briancurtin> let me try your test branch again now that i have the right PyQt setup and see what that says
[19:14] <briancurtin> test failed
[19:15] <alecu> briancurtin, test failed is the expected output. But how did it fail?
[19:15] <briancurtin> alecu: https://pastebin.canonical.com/65188/
[19:16] <alecu> briancurtin, perhaps we can tell py2exe to not compile the .py's and to not zip them.
[19:16] <briancurtin> that would just be a standard development environment then
[19:16] <alecu> briancurtin, "The certificate is self-signed, and untrusted (9)" means that it's good.
[19:17] <alecu> briancurtin, it's also showing the details of the certificate ('organization': 'Test company'), so that's better than the other pyqt.
[19:19] <alecu> briancurtin, yup, similar to the standard dev env. But I mean, for these cases we could flip the switch in py2exe so that it keeps a folder with .py's instead of a .zip with .pyc's, so it's easier to debug.
[19:19] <alecu> briancurtin, and since it would be a full installer, it's also easier to test in clean vms.
[19:21] <alecu> dobey, I'm getting the same two failing tests in Oneiric.
[19:22] <alecu> briancurtin, "spend debugging on an old version" <- you mean the old pyqt version, right?
[19:22] <dobey> alecu: fun
[19:22] <dobey> alecu: i'll file a bug
[19:22] <alecu> dobey, cool. Please assign it to mandel, since he knows all the inside-outs of authenticated proxies.
[19:23] <briancurtin> alecu: i guess im starting to get confused about all of this, especially because i dont know what the issue is and i dont know anything about SSL anyway, so i'm not sure about anything other than building an installer and running it at this point
[19:23] <dobey> ok
[19:25] <gatox> and the tests never ends....
[19:25]  * gatox waiting....
[19:26] <alecu> briancurtin, I don't know much about ssl either, been forced to learn a bit more these past few days, so let's go over this from the start.
[19:27] <briancurtin> alecu: let me run the tests on this version first just to ensure there's nothing obviously out of whack before we go on a debugging hunt. i just installed the version, built the installer, then saw it doesnt work - that's where im at now
[19:28] <alecu> briancurtin, ok.
[19:28] <alecu> briancurtin, let me know and we can mumble if we need to.
[19:30] <alecu> briancurtin, btw: I will be leaving in an hour, gotta take Amelia to swimming lessons.
[19:36] <gatox> dobey, do you have time for a review? https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/refactor-session/+merge/103933
[19:36] <gatox> dobey, i need to revert the .bat file first :P
[19:40] <gatox> dobey, done
[19:54] <dobey> grmbl. new default gcc option in quantal, which doesn't even exist as an option in precise. makes it hard to fix :-/
[19:56] <briancurtin> alecu: SSO passed, u1client failed on tests.syncdaemon.test_action_queue.ConnectionTestCase.test_server_disconnect, u1cp had an unrelated failure
[19:56] <gatox> briancurtin, that is failing in trunk
[19:57] <briancurtin> good, so it's not special for this Qt version then
[19:57] <gatox> briancurtin, i'm working in a branch right now, and later i'll propose a fix for those tests
[19:57] <briancurtin> so all of the tests are basically fine for this Qt version, but it doesn't work :/
[20:04]  * mmcc has a brand new logitech usb headset… that stops playing audio after 30 seconds :\
[20:10] <alecu> briancurtin, I need to be gone in 10 minutes. Shall we go a little bit over this from the top?
[20:11] <briancurtin> alecu: sure
[20:12] <alecu> briancurtin, so: we've got some part of our Qt web client that's throwing an SSL error.
[20:12] <alecu> briancurtin, everytime an ssl connection is established some attributes of the ssl certificate from the server are validated by the client.
[20:13] <alecu> briancurtin, if any of those checks fail, a Qt signal named "sslErrors" is fired.
[20:13] <alecu> briancurtin, that signal has two parameters: "reply" and "errors"
[20:14] <alecu> briancurtin, "reply" is an object representing the http reply.
[20:14] <alecu> briancurtin, "errors" is a list of ssl checks that failed.
[20:14] <alecu> briancurtin, some qt program can hook into that signal, and say that a few of that list of errors can be ignored.
[20:15] <alecu> briancurtin, for instance, some qt program can decide to ignore the "ssl self signed" error.
[20:15] <alecu> briancurtin, that is done by exploring the list of "errors" and looking at the ssl error code of each error.
[20:16] <alecu> briancurtin, in Qt 4.8 that list comes with two errors, but both have "0" as the error code.
[20:16] <alecu> briancurtin, on the other hand, the reply also has an error code. It comes as 0, too and that is expected.
[20:17] <alecu> briancurtin, so: in order to keep debugging we would like an installer with Qt 4.7, that will return meaningful error codes for the list of "errors"
[20:17] <alecu> briancurtin, does any of that make sense? :-)
[20:19] <briancurtin> alecu: i think i understand in principle, but i have no idea how to apply any of that in practice
[20:19] <alecu> briancurtin, my sample branch shows that problem exists on 4.8, but it seems to be fixed in 4.7.
[20:20] <alecu> briancurtin, the only thing we can do is trying to fix the installer to use a different version than 4.8 to get the correct errors.
[20:20] <alecu> briancurtin, anyway, I really need to go.
[20:21] <briancurtin> alright, i'll be here for a bit if you are still around but i can't stay late tonight as i have plans, so we'd have to pick up next week
[20:21] <alecu> briancurtin, please mail me any questions to my private mail address, and I'll try to answer from the swimming lessons :-)
[20:21] <alecu> briancurtin, remember that we have a nat holiday both mon and tue :-)
[20:22] <alecu> ok, eod.  I had a question about this refactoring that gatox did but I think I'll just do a branch with what I had in mind (for the other directories) and see what you guys say.
[21:42] <dobey> mmcc: cool. have a good weekend :)
[21:42] <mmcc> dobey, you too!


[00:33] <UndiFineD> so with .po files we would X# files for each lang one, but double in text length as we currently have


[00:06] <xubuntu119> hello all.
[00:07] <xubuntu119> I'm trying to install xubuntu on this new AMD-based machine, but the installer does not see the hard drive.
[00:07] <xubuntu119> I can mount the partitions from teh desktop and from the console, as well as edit them with gparted.
[00:08] <xubuntu119> I have already disabled the cheap software fake-raid emulation in the BIOS, to no avail.
[00:08] <xubuntu119> Any ideas?
[00:09] <GridCube> xubuntu119, check your ide/sata cables are well connected
[00:09] <GridCube> change the ports they are at
[00:10] <GridCube> probably some silly misconnection
[00:10] <xubuntu119> I can mount and edit the drive using other tools
[00:10] <xubuntu119> The installer seems to be malfunctioning or misconfigured.
[00:11] <xubuntu119> Is there a way to launch the text-based alternate installer from the desktop livecd?
[00:13] <xubuntu119> ...gonna reboot...
[00:14] <xubuntu747> I had a question...I just turned on my desktop computer and it is saying that GNOME Power Manager has not been installed correctly. I installed all the software almost a year ago now. I officially can't log in. Can someone please help me?
[00:14] <GridCube> go to a tty and do a sudo apt-get autoclean
[00:15] <xubuntu747> k and that should solve the problem?
[00:16] <GridCube> maybe
[00:18] <xubuntu747> I know that there is no more room left on my device and I was just about to delete some files. Would this stall me from doing the sudo apt-get autoclean?
[00:18] <GridCube> no
[00:18] <GridCube> it should uninstall stuff
[00:19] <GridCube> stuff you dont need
[00:19] <xubuntu747> Alright, thanks i'll try that out.
[01:41] <al-pal> Hi there guys
[01:42] <al-pal> has anybody had any experience installing Nvidia Optimus Drivers
[01:43] <al-pal> I just installed the bumbell bee driver but not sure what to do from there
[02:51] <sonia> hey all, I have a slightly irrelevant question if anyone's around :)
[02:53] <well_laid_lawn> the answer could be just as irrelevant.. ;P
[02:53] <sonia> heh, willing to take that chance. really new to using anything other than windows :p
[02:54] <well_laid_lawn> so shoot
[02:55] <sonia> I have xubuntu 12.04. the latest version of a program I need is for ubuntu 7.10.  (where the windows version is made for 7, sigh...) will it work?
[02:55] <well_laid_lawn> depends on what other apps it depends on
[02:55] <well_laid_lawn> the easiest way to find out is try
[02:56] <sonia> heh, okay, I'll see. It's Cisco Packet Tracer, if that helps.
[02:56]  * sonia blinks, download page says "Use Firefox to download the Linux.bin files as Internet Explorer doesn't load them correctly."
[02:56] <sonia> ...why would you- never mind
[02:57] <well_laid_lawn> !find cisco
[02:58] <lotato> hello!
[03:00] <Unit193> sonia: Another good thing would be to find a program that does the same thing, but that's just another option.
[03:01] <sonia> Unit193, I'll try - that'd probably help, yes. S'just I need this particular one for class.
[03:02] <sonia> incidentally, while I'm here - is there a reason this OS is so ridiculously fast? It's impressive.
[03:02] <well_laid_lawn> sonia: http://kaslnetwork.com/articles/installing-cisco-packettracer-5-3-2-on-64-bit-ubuntu-or-debian/
[03:03] <Unit193> Ah, understandable.
[03:05] <lotato> How do I access input/output devices on xubuntu? My internal microphone on my laptop doesn't work :<
[03:06] <sonia> thanks all! :)
[03:09] <well_laid_lawn> lotato: have you tried pavucontrol?
[03:09] <well_laid_lawn> !info pavucontrol
[03:09] <sonia> ^ that's neat, I use it
[03:12] <lotato> Here is a screenshot of the input menu
[03:12] <lotato> http://storage1.static.itmages.com/i/12/0626/h_1340680335_8812198_4912692eca.png
[03:13] <lotato> I'm assuming the blue bar is for detecting the amount of sound
[03:13] <lotato> showing the amount of detected sound, that is
[03:13] <lotato> but it does not move from that position
[03:18] <well_laid_lawn> lotato: in a terminal run   alsamixer   press F4 for capture and make sure the mic is selected and unmuted
[03:21] <lotato> Oh dear I'm quite confused; does any of this look right?
[03:21] <lotato> http://storage5.static.itmages.com/i/12/0626/h_1340680893_2342962_5fbbc87fa7.png
[03:22] <well_laid_lawn> lotato: you need to press F4 to be in the capture device screen
[03:24] <well_laid_lawn> looks like the mic is turned down to zero anyway
[03:24] <lotato> I believe this is the right menu now
[03:24] <lotato> http://storage6.static.itmages.com/i/12/0626/h_1340681061_3235951_80c60a5edd.png
[03:26] <lotato> Would turning up the mic column resolve the issue?
[03:26] <well_laid_lawn> yep. hit the up arrow to turn the mics volume up
[03:26] <well_laid_lawn> It "should" help
[03:27] <lotato> Thank you so much well_laid_lawn; it appears that my microphone is working perfectly now!
[03:28] <well_laid_lawn> woot that was easy :)
[03:28] <lotato> I tested it via skype and everything seems to be in order
[03:28] <lotato> I truly appreciate your help
[03:28] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[03:28] <lotato> One more quick question, maybe you'll know as well :) Will this most likely resolve my issue with the mic in virtual machines?
[03:29] <lotato> I have XP in a virtual machine to use rosetta stone, and the mic would not work (just as xubuntu) my guess would be that it would work now as well
[03:29] <lotato> unfortunately I can't boot virtualbox at the moment
[03:29] <well_laid_lawn> I have no experience with mics in vm's
[03:30] <well_laid_lawn> someone in #vbox might know
[03:30] <well_laid_lawn> but give it a try when you can
[03:30] <lotato> ah ok; I'll have to test it myself later on :) Once again, thanks for your help
[03:30] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[03:30] <lotato> I would be incredibly lost without that lol
[03:30] <lotato> have a great night!
[05:18] <xubuntu867> hello
[05:18] <xubuntu867> hunter2
[05:37] <xubuntu949> Hi. When I try to log in, there is a message stating that the configuration defaults for GNOME Power Manager has not been installed correctly. I am not able to log in. I believe I have to go to a tty and do a sudo apt-get autoclean. Can someone please walk me through how I can do this please?
[05:38] <baizon> xubuntu949: dpkg --reconfigure gnome-power-manager
[05:38] <baizon> ups
[05:38] <baizon> wrong
[05:38] <baizon> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-power-manager
[05:39] <baizon> or try sudo apt-get install -f
[05:40] <xubuntu949> am I able to do that if I can't log in?
[05:41] <baizon> no
[05:41] <baizon> so when you see the login window
[05:42] <baizon> press ctrl+alt+F1
[05:42] <baizon> then log in and do that
[05:46] <xubuntu949> when i log in do i just do username and password right after? I can't remember how to do a sudo apt-get install -f. Can you possibly walk me through the steps
[06:04] <xubuntu949> Can anyone help me out?
[06:08] <v1adimir> I would, if I could. :)
[06:10] <v1adimir> uh btw., xubuntu = xfce power manager
[06:19] <baizon> !ask | xubuntu949
[06:22] <xubuntu949> K, my apologies...when I went to the page after ctrl+alt+F1 and it asks for my login are they asking for my password only?
[06:22] <well_laid_lawn> yes
[06:23] <well_laid_lawn> well you should do your username then password
[06:25] <xubuntu949> k and then what should I do after that if it is saying that the configuration defaults for GNOME Power Manager has not been installed correctly?
[06:26] <well_laid_lawn> try sudo apt-get install -f
[06:27] <well_laid_lawn> what's wrong with the xfce4 power manager?
[06:28] <xubuntu949> I am not sure. I installed all the software a year ago and this just happened today when I shut down my desktop and turned it back on..
[06:31] <xubuntu949> Do you have any idea why this happened?
[06:32] <v1adimir> You haven't rebooted in a year?
[06:32] <well_laid_lawn> I could only guess. An os update, a session saved wrong, a ...
[06:33] <xubuntu949> oh no, I have rebooted.
[06:36] <xubuntu949> well thanks for the help, I appreciate it. If this does not work then I will come back on
[06:40] <kth> Hi! I just purchased a Toshiba NB520 and xubuntu can't identify the screen. Poor screen resolution. Can someone help?
[06:42] <v1adimir> kth: specs say it's: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD so maybe that can help some
[06:44] <v1adimir> http://www.toshiba-india.com/laptop/netbook-nb520.html
[06:44] <selinuxa> 10.1 inch WXGA
[06:44] <kth> Yes, but how does that help me?
[06:45] <selinuxa> wxga is 1280x720
[06:45] <selinuxa> *768
[06:45] <kth> Really... I thourght it was 1024x600 for this one
[06:45] <selinuxa> nah, that's WSVGA
[06:46] <kth> I think it can have higher resolution but only for external screens, but I'm not sure
[06:46] <kth> selinuxa... se for sweden?
[06:47] <kth> Det skulle hjälpa :)
[06:47] <selinuxa> no, se for Security Enhanced ;P
[06:47] <kth> OK.. English then :)
[06:47] <selinuxa> hehe
[06:48] <kth> So... any suggestions on how I should proceed. I have been searching for xorg.config but it seems to have disapeared in 12.04
[06:48] <selinuxa> the gma 3150 has a max output resolution of 1400x1050
[06:49] <selinuxa> with an external VGA monitor.
[06:49] <kth> with external yes, but I don't get the "internal" to work
[06:49] <kth> Only got 800 x 600
[06:49] <well_laid_lawn> have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:49] <kth> Nope
[06:50] <well_laid_lawn> should say what's up with the monitor
[06:50] <v1adimir> maybe this can be somewhat relevant in terms of hw support http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1953734&highlight=intel+gma+3650&page=3
[06:51]  * selinuxa was thinking of using xrandr
[06:51] <selinuxa> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-change-display-resolution-settings-using-xrandr.html
[06:51] <Unit193> You can use arandr for a GUI version.
[06:52] <selinuxa> thanks for tip, Unit193
[06:54] <kth> Did not really find what I need in that thread
[06:54] <kth> I have never done anything with xrandr
[06:54] <kth> Checking...
[06:58] <v1adimir> kth: are you running the latest update 3.2.0-25-generic kernel? in terminal: uname -r
[06:59] <v1adimir> *stable for Precise
[06:59] <kth> 3.2.0-25-generic
[06:59] <kth> Yes
[07:00] <v1adimir> heh ok
[07:04] <kth> So... What do I do with arandr????
[07:05] <well_laid_lawn> arandr should the choice in resolutions you have
[07:06] <kth> I only have one choice... 800 x 600
[07:06] <kth> That's the problem
[07:06] <baizon> kth: so the detection is wrong
[07:06] <well_laid_lawn> that's why I suggested reading the X log - to find out why
[07:06] <kth> Yes...
[07:06] <selinuxa> If you want to add a mode with resolution 1024X768, you can enter the following command: (The output is shown following.)
[07:06] <selinuxa> $ cvt 1024 768
[07:06] <baizon> detection -> drivers
[07:06] <selinuxa> you can force a mode with xrandr
[07:06] <baizon> and pray that it work :D
[07:06] <kth> lol
[07:07] <baizon> for me it never workd :D
[07:07] <selinuxa> eh
[07:07] <baizon> just joking :D
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> it could be using the vesa driver
[07:08] <kth> For what I understand I must change the xorg.config to make it work, but in 12.04 I can't even find it
[07:08] <well_laid_lawn> just make it
[07:08] <selinuxa> not in/etc/x11/xorg.conf?
[07:08] <kth> Wait... is it hidden?
[07:09] <selinuxa> you can generate one
[07:09] <selinuxa> with sudo Xorg -configure
[07:09] <well_laid_lawn> !xrandr
[07:09] <selinuxa> no, shouldn't be.
[07:09] <v1adimir> selinuxa: nividia-settings generated one for me, so prolly not there by default
[07:10] <kth> Can't find it there
[07:10] <selinuxa> interesting, when i installed xserver-xorg on a headless server so as to VNC in, a sample xorg.conf was provided
[07:10] <selinuxa> then sudo Xorg -configure, kth
[07:10] <well_laid_lawn> xorg.conf doesn't get made by default - files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ are used instead
[07:11] <selinuxa> Ah
[07:11] <kth> Should never have bourgt a Toshiba :(  But it was limegreen...Could not resist :)
[07:11] <well_laid_lawn> you just have to learn how to find out what's going on in linux
[07:11] <well_laid_lawn> read the log
[07:12] <kth> What log?
[07:13] <well_laid_lawn> like I said - have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:13] <well_laid_lawn> you can paste it
[07:13] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[07:14] <kth> wait...
[07:17] <well_laid_lawn> your three dots are nearly up...
[07:18] <well_laid_lawn> !pastebinit
[07:18] <kth> So...
[07:18] <kth> Paste it...
[07:18] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[07:18] <kth> Not just to paste here?
[07:18] <well_laid_lawn> not more than three lines no
[07:18] <well_laid_lawn>  For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:19] <kth> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1060312/
[07:19] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:19] <kth> Is that correct pasted?
[07:20] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[07:21] <well_laid_lawn> line 1722 says you are using the vesa driver - so you need to sort out the vid driver first
[07:21] <kth> How... A this above my knowlede of Linux
[07:22] <kth> I mean... I'm to stupid to fix it with out help :)
[07:22] <kth> How do I sort out the video driver?
[07:23] <well_laid_lawn> we have to find out what chip you have first so in a terminal do   lspci | grep -i vga
[07:25] <kth> How do I type a standing line?
[07:26] <well_laid_lawn> normally shift+\ so hold down shift and hit the \
[07:26] <kth> swedish keybord... wait
[07:27] <v1adimir> just copy paste, ctrl+shift+v to paste in terminal
[07:27] <Sysi> try altGr < for |
[07:27] <v1adimir> oh nvm :s
[07:27] <well_laid_lawn> you don't have to keep saying wait, I'm here for a while tho I might do other things for a min or two
[07:27] <kth> :)
[07:28] <well_laid_lawn> you can drag the mouse across txt to hightlight it and middle click in the terminal too44
[07:28] <kth> Not online with the comp that I'm trying to fix
[07:29] <well_laid_lawn> s/44//
[07:29] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:31] <kth> I will change comp so I can copy / paste
[07:32] <kth_> Back now. Please repeat
[07:32] <well_laid_lawn>   lspci | grep -i vga
[07:33] <kth_> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D2xxx/N2xxx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[07:33] <v1adimir> so the on-chip controller is being loaded instead of the graphics adapter
[07:33] <kth_> If you say so :)
[07:34] <v1adimir> I had the link on how to handle it the other day, but someone else is gonna have to do it now :f
[07:35] <well_laid_lawn> seems it needs this solution - https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+faq/1901
[07:36] <well_laid_lawn> make the xorg.conf in your home directory then use    sudo mv -v
[07:37] <kth_> I will try.
[07:39] <v1adimir> oic the intel gma is one and the same on that computer, sry about that
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> kth_: I can't find any horizsync in your log file so I'd try the values the solution uses
[08:16] <trotsky> hello there, i have an acer aspire 7720 which gives an error when booting from usb (bios version 1.43) when i try to boot from dvd which latest ubuntu .iso burned to it the cursor just blinks in upper left corner. What can i do to get ubuntu 12.04?
[08:17] <well_laid_lawn> you know this is #xubuntu ?
[08:18] <well_laid_lawn> I'd look for a safe graphics option in the boot menu
[08:18] <v1adimir> trotsky: i was unable to install from DVD, but liveCD worked for me (uefi bios, never bothered to check why :))
[08:22] <trotsky> sorry
[08:23] <Kingsy> is anyone else getting frustrated with the new version of xubuntu?
[08:23] <Unit193> Not really, works fine here.
[08:23] <Kingsy> no it works fine.. for sure..
[08:24] <Kingsy> but is it not reminding you more nad more of windows?
[08:24] <Kingsy> it says things like
[08:24] <Kingsy> "this program is not responding.. terminate now?" <-- well not exactly but that kinda thing
[08:25] <Kingsy> it also has "crash reports" send this error to stop it happening further etc etc.. I consider those things "windowsy" heh
[08:25] <Kingsy> now thats a word :P
[08:25] <Sysi> you can just remove apps responsible of those
[08:26] <Kingsy> it also seems to crash a little more than it used to.. just randomly stops..
[08:26] <Kingsy> for example banshee crashed yesterday.. randomly stopped worked
[08:26] <astraljava> Kingsy: By 'new', are you referring to the latest stable?
[08:26] <Kingsy> yeah 12.04
[08:26] <Sysi> I like that "not responding" thingy, way nicer than killall
[08:27] <astraljava> Kingsy: For me, 12.04 hasn't done anything wrong thus far. Ok, I use Studio as the desktop, but it's so much based on Xubuntu it's practically the same.
[08:27] <astraljava> I think I had the same install from two weeks before the first beta.
[08:27] <Kingsy> well I guess I will just hang in there.. what stupid application is responsible for sending those "crash reports" ?
[08:28] <Kingsy> I hate those
[08:28] <Sysi> you know, if you ever made one it could be fixed :P
[08:28] <astraljava> Kingsy: That'd be apport.
[08:28] <Unit193> apport?
[08:29] <Sysi> !info apport
[08:29] <v1adimir> hey i'm happy to send crash reports to *nix developers, no matter how stupid they make me look..;) :)
[08:29] <v1adimir> *as opposed to sending them to m$
[08:29] <astraljava> Why'd they make _you_ look stupid?
[08:30] <v1adimir> why wouldn't he want to send them? ;p
[08:30] <astraljava> Well, I gave up on that one. :)
[08:30] <v1adimir> :$
[08:30] <Sysi> I think I stopped after five similar about blueman on my wubi-xubuntu on macbook
[08:33] <astraljava> Right, I am not dissing wubi nor its developers, but I wouldn't have cared even about the first one.
[08:33] <astraljava> But then again, I wouldn't be using it in the first place, either.
[08:34] <v1adimir> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/PackageHooks < so stuff can be excluded?
[08:34] <Unit193> Per application too.
[08:34] <v1adimir> cool
[08:39] <Kingsy> question, not ubuntu specific. when you apt-get purge a package.. I am assuming by purge it means "totally remove" how come the size that is purged is always less than the size that is installed?
[08:39] <Kingsy> I have always wondered that
[08:54] <Kingsy> Sysi: you still around?
[08:56] <Kingsy> or anyone? I am looking to get a vpn working so I can setup daap to stream music.. or something along those lines..
[08:56] <Kingsy> was wondering what the easiest vpn solution is with xubuntu
[08:58] <Unit193> The network manager says it can handle it.
[08:59] <Kingsy> Unit193: yeah, I was looking at that.. but I am using a vnc server to control my pc at the moment (I am not at home) and for some reason when you try to create a vpn connection its just all greyed out..
[08:59] <Kingsy> why would that be?
[09:05] <Sysi> Kingsy: you want to stream music from your home machine? I'd use vlc or icecast
[09:06] <Kingsy> hmm never thought about those solutions..
[09:07] <Kingsy> is icecast any good?
[09:07] <Sysi> the most used streaming afaik
[09:07] <Sysi> though can be a bit complex to set up
[09:08] <Sysi> pulseaudio has some in-built streaming but I don't really know about that
[09:12] <Kingsy> Sysi: how does icecast work? http ?
[09:13] <Sysi> I've only been on client-side, might be
[09:13] <Kingsy> Sysi: and what was the client side like? were you able to choose songs etc?
[09:14] <Sysi> it's a stream, server end decides what to play
[09:14] <Kingsy> hmm thats not really what I want then :P
[09:15] <Kingsy> I might try daap over a vpn
[09:15] <Kingsy> it means I can use banshee
[10:14] <kth> I'm back
[10:15] <kth> Hello well_laid_lawn. With kernel 3.3 the problem is solved. I have installed fedora 17 and it works fine. Kan I make a kenel update in xubuntu
[10:16] <kth> Like xubuntu better than fedora
[10:21] <kth> anyone? Kernel update?
[10:29] <astraljava> kth: There are some newer kernels packaged for precise on LP, but we cannot recommend using them, they have no support. Warranty void. :)
[10:30] <Myrtti> "warranty" even
[10:30] <kth> got it
[10:31] <kth> thanks anyway
[10:41] <untaken> I have gedit open, but I can't find where it is in my workspaces. I can see it running, and when I open a gedit on the file again,it says its already open. ps aux lists it to, but can't see it my workspaces. Any ideas?
[10:41] <untaken> I could kill it off... but I wonder if there is a way to get it to show up?
[10:58] <astraljava> Myrtti: I'll remember that.
[11:33] <Marzata> is it possible to install a lxde session in xubuntu?
[13:03] <Kingsy> guys, how do you restart the samba process on xubuntu?
[13:03] <Kingsy> that is such a dumb question I know.. but I just cant find it in /etc/init.d/    restart doesnt see it.. and neither does "service"
[13:08] <baizon> Kingsy: try sudo initctl restart smbd
[13:08] <baizon> This doesnt work? /etc/init.d/samba restart
[13:09] <Kingsy> baizon: nope...
[13:09] <Kingsy> initctl: Unknown job: smbd
[13:09] <Kingsy> -bash: /etc/init.d/samba: No such file or directory
[13:09] <Kingsy> but /etc/samba/smb.conf existsa
[13:09] <baizon> sudo service smbd restart <- that?
[13:09] <baizon> or this? sudo /etc/init.d/smbd restart
[13:14] <Kingsy> baizon: how the hell did this happen.. it wasnt installed..
[13:14] <Kingsy> ubuntu must have missed it?? haha
[13:14] <Kingsy> anyway it works now
[13:14] <baizon> ehh =)
[13:16] <Kingsy> baizon: have you ever used openvpn with samba?
[13:16] <baizon> no
[13:18] <Kingsy> np
[13:18] <baizon> you have to google it :)
[13:50] <martinphone> i need to write french oeuf, but with 3 letters: "oe" u and f, I have found æ, but not "oe"
[13:50] <martinphone> can you help me out?
[13:54] <ochosi> martinphone: where were you looking?
[13:54] <martinphone> ochosi, my keyboard, now googling
[13:55] <ochosi> martinphone: accessories > character map?
[13:57] <ochosi> martinphone: œ
[13:57] <ochosi> martinphone: or actually: œuf
[13:57] <Marceilango> My usb modem is not working in Xubuntu. Can anyone please help me fix it?
[13:58] <martinphone> yes, ochosi but im looking for a fast way of writting it be it in chat or libreoffice, and I dont find it
[13:58] <martinphone> found it in that list though
[13:59] <ochosi> that list also contains the unicode numbers for each char
[13:59] <ochosi> so you can easily insert the chars into other apps if you remember the number :)
[13:59] <martinphone> ochosi, U+0153?
[13:59] <ochosi> yes
[14:01] <ochosi> martinphone: hit ctrl+shift+u and then enter the number
[14:01] <martinphone> noob here: i only get to write large strings of uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu folowed by those numbers, what does that u stand for?
[14:01] <ochosi> then hit enter and you get the character
[14:01] <martinphone> aso
[14:01] <martinphone> œ
[14:01] <martinphone> wow
[14:01] <ochosi> (luckily i know you're german so i know what you mean with "aso" :) )
[14:02] <martinphone> thx
[14:02] <ochosi> np
[14:02] <martinphone> lol
[14:02] <Pici> unicode
[14:02] <martinphone> aint there an easier way? I can get an æ just with altgr+a
[14:03] <ochosi> martinphone: depends on your kb-layout
[14:03] <martinphone> 0153
[14:03] <martinphone> ok
[14:03] <ochosi> you can also change that to french with a kb-shortcut (if you know where œ is there)
[14:03] <martinphone> œ
[14:03] <martinphone> ok
[14:04] <Marceilango> My usb modem is not working in Xubuntu. Can anyone please help me fix it?
[14:04] <sdasdasdas> I'm trying to install the global menu in Xubuntu. Can someone help?
[14:05] <ochosi> sdasdasdas: that's currently not really supported by xfce4-indicator-plugin. it'll most likely result in a buggy interface
[14:06] <sdasdasdas> Ah, come on, there has to be a way. I've been trying to do it via OMG! Ubuntu but there is not 12.04 guide as there are a lot of dependency issues.
[14:07] <sdasdasdas> And i would fix them if I knew how to. That's what I need help with.
[14:07]  * astraljava wanders away thinking 'What's a global menu?'
[14:08] <smilyy> Hi, gfxcard radeon 3870, installed default system, after boot black/blue screen = hangs, booted with nomodeset xdriver=vesa got same result
[14:08] <smilyy> how can i boot into non graphical mode, since nomodeset is not working for me?
[14:08] <smilyy> so i could install fglrx driver manual
[14:11] <ochosi> smilyy: you should be able to get to recovery-mode via grub
[14:13] <smilyy> i do not even see the grub loader
[14:13] <smilyy> just after it the xubuntu loading screen
[14:15] <sdasdasdas> How do I fix this? The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:15] <sdasdasdas>  xfce4-appmenu-plugin : Depends: libindicator6 (>= 0.3.90) but it is not installable
[14:15] <sdasdasdas>                         Recommends: appmenu-gtk2 but it is not installable
[14:15] <sdasdasdas> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[14:15] <cousteau> when I press a dead acute followed by a C, I get a Ç (C with cedilla) rather than Ć (C with acute).  IIRC this doesn't happen on Ubuntu 10.10.  Is this because of XFCE or because somehing has changed in *buntu keyboard configs?
[14:17] <ochosi> cousteau: probably you're using a different keyboard-layout? there are quite a few different french kb-layouts
[14:17] <cousteau> I think the result of keyboard combinations is not layout-dependant
[14:17] <ochosi> cousteau: think again ;)
[14:18] <cousteau> (also, this is a spanish keyboard; anyway there's already a ç as a standalone key)
[14:18] <cousteau> ochosi, I mean, dead key combinations
[14:18] <ochosi> cousteau: yes, i know. and yes, they depend on kb-layout
[14:18] <cousteau> cool, that means someone has done something, and I can blame him on his own language
[14:19] <ochosi> smilyy: you have to hold "alt" while booting, then you'll get to grub's menu
[14:19] <ochosi> smilyy: (start right after bios has finished loading – or shortly before that :) )
[14:20] <ochosi> cousteau: or you can blame the keycodes your keyboard sends
[14:20] <cousteau> nope
[14:20] <cousteau> my keyboard sends a keycode for an acute, and then a keycode for a C
[14:21] <cousteau> why the computer decides to interpret that as a C with cedilla instead of a C with acute is out of my comprehension
[14:22] <cousteau> my netbook interprets them as a c with acute (lubuntu 10.04)
[14:25] <smilyy> ochosi, thx for this
[14:25] <ochosi> smilyy: np. and good luck!
[14:31] <cousteau> seems that the files /usr/share/X11/locale/iso8859-{1,15}/Compose associate <dead_acute> <c> to ç
[14:31] <cousteau> however ubuntu and lubuntu seem to override this behavior
[14:31] <cousteau> which is good since I _already_ have a ç
[14:34] <cousteau> (and I do never use it)
[14:42] <smilyy> funny thing: after booting with nomodeset or xforcevesa or xdriver=vesa, nothing worked, text parameter was the solution... i could slap myself ;)
[14:44] <smilyy> next time i make a minimal install and install fglrx first, thx for your help :)
[14:48] <ochosi> smilyy: good you managed :) many people don't get past graphical errors
[14:49] <xubuntu387> hey guys I can't get my sound to work in xubuntu 12.04 can you help me out?
[15:09] <Simooon> xubuntu387, My sound stopped working not that long ago, i tried turning master headphone and speaker on and off in different sequences a couple of times using alsamixer and suddenly it worked again, not really a good solution, but it worked for me, perhaps it is worth a shot.
[15:17] <xubuntu387> I don't have any options for headphones
[15:17] <xubuntu387> I change all my outputs but nothing seems to change anything
[15:24] <smilyy> you are not alone my sound is also not working after a fresh install :s
[15:29] <ochosi> smilyy, xubuntu387: if you find out how to fix your sound, please don't forget to submit a bugreport on launchpad about it!
[15:34] <smilyy> ochosi: just realized its just some gstreamer problem
[15:34] <smilyy> with vlc i get proper output
[15:59] <smilyy> some weird bug, gstreamer cant handle files from manual mounted devices + missing codecs, both problems are well known.
[16:00] <holstein> interesting.. so the sound is working? if you move the files to an internal drive?
[16:01] <smilyy> the device where the files are on have to be auto-mounted
[16:02] <holstein> smilyy: how was that confirmed?
[16:02] <Sysi> try gvfs-mount instead of sudo mount?
[16:02] <holstein> did you find an existing bug report?
[16:03] <smilyy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/892333
[16:04] <smilyy> missing codecs was just related to my stupidnes ;)
[16:45] <yondering> hi, got a question..  I'm trying to install xubuntu 12.04 x64 from a cd... I've verified the hash and I can install in a VM without issue using the iso itself..  but trying to boot the live cd on the pc itself seems to hang on the "install" screen with no options available.
[16:45] <yondering> Any ideas?
[16:50] <baizon> have you done the partitioning ?
[16:51] <superuser> is there a way to have easy access to my windows shares in xubunu?
[16:51] <yondering> It doesn't give me the option to do any partitioning.. this is the first "install" screen that appears.
[16:52] <yondering> by memory, I believe this is the screen that should be asking me to select a language. ;)
[16:52] <baizon> yondering: have you tried boot into the system?
[16:52] <genii-around> Possibly it can't deduce your hard drive controller chipset or you may be using some software raid under MS
[16:53] <baizon> superuser: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[16:53] <yondering> I'm using the standard sata controller on an asus pfq pro mobo.. no raid.
[16:53] <yondering> er, p5q pro, rather.
[16:54] <yondering> baizon, I've been able to install previous versions of ubuntu without issue, and I was able to install sabayon 9 x64 the other day on the same box.  I'm lazy, however, and I'd prefer to just use xubuntu.
[16:56] <yondering> unless you mean selecting the live cd session from the grub menu on the cd.. it's not giving me the option.
[17:00] <yondering> ah well, guess I've got to stick with sabayon.. thanks for the suggestions, all :)
[17:01] <superuser> thanks baizon,
[17:31] <baizon> np np
[19:00] <warhell> hello, i have a question on custom compiling kernel i already done, but for some reason i can add reposoitores anymore it crashes and errors ot.
[19:00] <warhell> out.
[19:03] <xubuntu529> Hi. I am unable to log in due to the configuration defaults for GNOME Power Manager have not been installed correctly. Would it be better for me to try sudo apt-get install -f or do a sudo apt-get autoclean?
[19:03] <xubuntu529> Would doing one of theses delete any of my files?
[19:04] <xubuntu529> I installed all the software nearly a year ago and it has been working fine, up until yesterday.
[19:17] <warhell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061339/
[19:17] <warhell> this is the error im recieving after i compiled and made my kernel and even in your kernel it says this.
[19:17] <warhell> so im kinda clueless on how to fix it.
[19:39] <xubuntu529> after I have done a sudo apt-get install -f, how can I go back to the log in screen to see if it has worked?
[20:08] <pjotter> Hello everybody. I am trying to change the default file manager from Thunar to Xfe. I tried selecting xfe in the preferred applications, but this doesn't seem to work. Whatever I choose in preferred applications, the default is always thunar. Help would be appriciated.
[20:14] <pjotter> anyone?
[20:37] <pjotter> Hi all. I have a question about the default file manager in Xubuntu 12.04.
[20:38] <Sysi> in what case wrong fm opens?
[20:39] <Sysi> you may need to fiddle with update-alternatives but I've never used that
[20:42] <pjotter> Does anybody know how to change the default file manager in Xubuntu 12.04. I would like to change it from Thunar to Xfe. But for some reason, changing it in settingsmanager doesn't do anything. The default seems to be stuck on thunar.
[20:52] <pjotter> How can I change the default file manager to something else than Thunar?
[20:55] <metals> hi
[20:55] <metals> anybody knows how to install google chrome on Xubuntu?
[20:58] <metals> anybody knows how to install google chrome on Xubuntu?
[21:00] <Sysi> do you need the pdf-thingy or will chromium do?
[21:00] <Sysi> !info chromium-browser
[21:01] <metals> chromium doesn't load photos
[21:01] <metals> cuz of that, Chrome I guess
[21:01] <Sysi> download -deb and use sudo dpkg -i or maybe synaptic
[21:02] <metals> don't know how
[21:02] <metals> software center doesn't have it?