[08:03] <Phazeman> trappist: NVIDIA drivers reinstalled OK
[08:04] <Phazeman> yes just reinstalled it
[08:04] <trappist> anything in the X log?
[08:04] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I need to install the nvidia drivers..
[08:04] <Psi-Jack> But I'm waiting till after all the base packages are up-to-date.
[08:04] <Phazeman> trappist: looks like the log is clean. going to see in it again just for the case
[08:04] <trappist> Phazeman: I upgraded to dapper too and I had to make symlinks to where the nvidia drivers got installed to
[08:04] <Psi-Jack> I'm curious though.
[08:04] <trappist> the libGL.so and libGLcore.so I think
[08:04] <Psi-Jack> Why in the fsck does modprobe.d/alsa-base have all those install lines?
[08:05] <Phazeman> trappist: look like you are right ! the glcore module is not loaded !!!
[08:06] <crimsun> Psi-Jack: because it needs to.
[08:06] <Psi-Jack> Needs? No, no, it doesn't NEED to. :)
[08:06] <crimsun> Psi-Jack: otherwise we hear "but [..]  doesn't work!" *whine*
[08:06] <Phazeman> trappist: dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: undefined symbol: __glXLastContext  <- this is the error
[08:07] <Psi-Jack> crimsun: Heh. Why not make use of alsa-conf, or whatever that tool is, to configure sound specifically? ;)
[08:07] <trappist> Phazeman: try to find where the new libGLcore.so is and make a symlink
[08:07] <crimsun> Psi-Jack: because we don't ship alsaconf, it being a bug-ridden security errata-filled pos.
[08:07] <Phazeman> trappist: oki
[08:07] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[08:08] <Psi-Jack> Well, I have two sound cards. How do I get emu10k1 loaded into slot-0, and via82xx loaded into slot-1?
[08:08] <trappist> crimsun: so how do you feel about alsaconf
[08:08] <crimsun> trappist: I love it.
[08:08] <Psi-Jack> lol
[08:08] <trappist> Phazeman: it took me hours to get X running again (with glx) after I upgraded
[08:08] <crimsun> Psi-Jack: echo "options snd-via82xx index=-2" |sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe/alsa-base
[08:09] <trappist> Phazeman: but that's because I forgot I had added composite to my xorg.conf
[08:09] <crimsun> Psi-Jack: modprobe.d^
[08:09] <Psi-Jack> crimsun: Hmmm.. Interesting. Basically shoving via82xx back.. That's one way to do it, I suppose. :)
[08:10] <Phazeman> trappist: ahhhh :(
[08:10] <Phazeman> trappist: i'll try to start it now
[08:10] <m_tadeu> Psi-Jack: finished running that...fixed the errors but...still can't mount
[08:10] <Phazeman> trappist: btw... how do you start the DM in kubuntu
[08:10] <Phazeman> ?
[08:10] <Psi-Jack> m_tadeu: Dunno then, dude.
[08:10] <Phazeman> trappist: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start doesn't do it
[08:11] <trappist> Phazeman: I learned it's easier if you wipe out your X log between attempts so it's easier to find those 'ee' entries in it if it doesn't work out
[08:11] <Phazeman> trappist: cool
[08:11] <Psi-Jack> ext3, once it gets corrupted, it can easily become dust, unfortunately.
[08:11] <trappist> Phazeman: kdm restart - it's probably already running
[08:11] <m_tadeu> Psi-Jack: pitty....thanx anyway :)
[08:11] <Phazeman> trappist: nop.. doesn't do it...
[08:12] <ilba7r> hi running an .rm file with totem-xine the pc hangs and i get kernel panic message when i look at dmesg? any ideas?
[08:12] <trappist> Phazeman: if you have a valid .xinitrc try just startx - might have to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common for permissions first
[08:12] <Psi-Jack> Ewww, totem? That gnome crap?
[08:13] <nat> is it possible to user `nice` with a process number ?
[08:13] <ilba7r> lol nice comment
[08:13] <nat> to change the priority of a task ?
[08:13] <Psi-Jack> Kaffeine, man, Kaffeine, with xine. :)
[08:13] <Phazeman> trappist: dang.. now this is VERY odd.. /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-common is broken or not fully installed
[08:13] <trappist> nat: you mean renice a running app?
[08:13] <nat> yes
[08:13] <trappist> Phazeman: doh!
[08:13] <trappist> nat: yes
[08:13] <Phazeman> trappist: but sudo startx works just fine !!!
[08:14] <nat> with renice ok :)
[08:14] <nat> thks
[08:14] <Psi-Jack> Anyone here run servers? :)
[08:14] <Phazeman> trappist: any ideas ?
[08:14] <trappist> Phazeman: put allowed_users=anybody in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
[08:14] <Phazeman> sec
[08:14] <Psi-Jack> Specifically, anyone here run OpenLDAP with LDAPv3 bind support? :)
[08:15] <trappist> Phazeman: what does /etc/init.d/kdm restart say?
[08:15] <Phazeman> trappist: doesn't say anything at all
[08:16] <Phazeman> trappist: just brings an empty line
[08:16] <trappist> lame
[08:16] <Psi-Jack> Man, I'm glad I'm not compiling KDE, this time, but it still feels like it takes forever just to download. LOL
[08:16] <trappist> what about stop then start?
[08:16] <Phazeman> Psi-Jack: i know what you are speaking about... doing it right now
[08:16] <Phazeman> trappist: dang it......
[08:16] <Psi-Jack> Phazeman: Heh
[08:16] <Psi-Jack> Then I gotta reboot, once I get the latest kernel updated in properly, instead of the i386 image.
[08:17] <Psi-Jack> Oh, speaking of the kernel. What are the "restricted modules?"
[08:17] <trappist> Psi-Jack: non-open-source modules, like nvidia drivers and such
[08:17] <Psi-Jack> Oh..  Any ideas?I'v reinstalled all cups related packages with no luck
[08:18] <Phazeman> trappist: i think i will wait until the whole update thingy finish and restart the beast
[08:18] <trappist> Phazeman: stuff is still installing?!
[08:19] <Phazeman> doing an upgrade right now
[08:19] <Phazeman> KDE packages
[08:19] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[08:19] <Psi-Jack> That would be WHY kdm may not be working. :p
[08:19] <Phazeman> Psi-Jack: it didn't work yesterday and 2 days ago to
[08:19] <Phazeman> too*
[08:19] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[08:19] <Phazeman> same reactions
[08:20] <Psi-Jack> And the punt is goood! Good recovery. :)
[08:20] <trappist> Phazeman: yeah, let that finish first :)
[08:20] <Phazeman> the surgery finished successefuly, the patient is dead
[08:20] <Phazeman> :)
[08:20] <Psi-Jack> heh
[08:20] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, kde 3.5.1 now installing.
[08:20] <Phazeman> yah yah :)
[08:20] <Psi-Jack> Has the tmpfs bug been fixed? I noticed on shutdown, it wouldn't umount  tmpfs.
[08:21] <divansantana> hi!Im having that printing problem,as you click on printers, it says initialisin g print manager and hangs! Any ideas?I'v reinstalled all cups related packages with no luck
[08:24] <m_tadeu> Psi-Jack: i used tune2fs....it worked...i haven't lost anything :) thanx
[08:25] <bouncing> How do I get konq and kscd to stop hassling me with popup windows when I insert an audio CD or USB drive?
[08:25] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody heard about libvgahw?
[08:25] <bouncing> The "Do Nothing" thing is a dirty lie
[08:25] <tchize> hello, is there airport support for kubuntu on mac os x
[08:25] <tchize> s/os x :)
[08:25] <tchize> i meant mac g4 :)
[08:26] <bouncing> is airport different than normal wifi?
[08:26] <tchize> i mean driver support for hardware
[08:26] <tchize> airport card
[08:26] <MetaMorfoziS> hi tchzie
[08:26] <MetaMorfoziS> you heard about libvgahw?
[08:27] <tchize> dunno
[08:27] <divansantana> fixed the problem, lo interface was down...
[08:29] <bouncing> tchize: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11b.html#Airport
[08:30] <bouncing> tchize: If you're new to Linuxland/compiling drivers/whatnot, you might go out and buy a fully supported card.
[08:30] <knoppix> how large is kubuntu on the disk, usualy, after install
[08:30] <bouncing> Anyone? Tell konq and kscd to shut-up upon automount?
[08:31] <m_tadeu> how do i set write permissions for any user in an ext3 partition?
[08:32] <tchize> bouncing do you think it is *possible* to add hardware to a ibook?
[08:32] <tchize> a usb wifi card perhaps or a frewire one :)
[08:32] <Psi-Jack> knoppix: 1.5gb
[08:33] <bouncing> tchize: I thought iBooks had PC Card?
[08:33] <bouncing> tchize: If not, go with USB
[08:33] <Psi-Jack> m_tadeu: chmod ugo+rw file
[08:33] <tchize> nope :)
[08:33] <bouncing> Or, try getting the airport working
[08:33] <tchize> that's the idea :)
[08:33] <tchize> anyway
[08:33] <tchize> this is not my ibook
[08:34] <tchize> am forwarding the link to my friend
[08:34] <tchize> :p
[08:34] <bouncing> airport's probably preferable because they would put the antenna in the monitor
[08:36] <Psi-Jack> Man, how fracking big is that linux-image? Heh
[08:36] <UFO> does enyone have the link for config kde and gnome at same time without seeing each others software
[08:37] <Vge> darn im good messing up installations
[08:37] <Psi-Jack> Geez. ~18mb for a linux-image?
[08:38] <trappist> Psi-Jack: it contains the kernel and all the modules
[08:38] <Psi-Jack> trappist: Well, most of the main modules. ;)
[08:39] <Psi-Jack> The ones that are actually natively part of linux.
[08:39] <trappist> well, yeah
[08:40] <m_tadeu> Psi-Jack: mmm....what about to all partition? is there a way to do that?
[08:40] <Psi-Jack> m_tadeu: Ummm. You want a regular user to have full read/write access to every file on the system?
[08:41] <m_tadeu> Psi-Jack: its not the system partition....its a shared partition
[08:41] <Psi-Jack> m_tadeu: So you mean, ALL the directories/files of the partition, not ALL partitions?
[08:42] <m_tadeu> Psi-Jack: nop...only one of my ext3 partitions....that one will contain shared data
[08:42] <Psi-Jack> chmod -R ugo+rw /path/to/mountpoint/*
[08:42] <Psi-Jack> -R makes it recursive.
[08:42] <jay0> hi all
[08:43] <Psi-Jack> m_tadeu: You should really man chmod someday.
[08:43] <m_tadeu> Psi-Jack: i'll give it a good look right now ;)
[08:43] <jay0> i need to install a program for school, and i have instructions on how to do it on debian.  Since kubuntu is based on debian, i assumed i can use teh same instructions.  am i correct?  the instructions are listed here: http://wiki.splitbrain.org/ns2
[08:44] <jay0> kde!
[08:44] <jay0> kde351!
[08:45] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I can't browse to the site you pointed out, jay0, at the moment.
[08:45] <trappist> it will probably work
[08:45] <jay0> no need to change commands or directories or anything?
[08:45] <Psi-Jack> Heh, my kde is updated, and I haven't restarted yet.
[08:46] <jay0> oh btw, where can i find instructions on how to update kde?
[08:46] <Psi-Jack> kubuntu.org
[08:47] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, just about time for me to reboot now.
[08:47] <_tijn> hi all
[08:47] <jay0> trappist: would you mind taking a quick look at the site to check the commands?  i'm a total n00b so i'll be entering the commands word for word.
[08:47] <Psi-Jack> BRB
[08:48] <_tijn> i cant get my battery status to work
[08:48] <trappist> jay0: enter the commands one at a time.  if one of them fails, take a closer look at it and see if you can figure out why.  if not, maybe ask google why, and ask here if you have to.
[08:49] <Vge> hmm, is it bad if installation fails to "Unable to install initrd-tools"? :)
[08:49] <_tijn> ive got apmd, de module is there, but i cant load it, it say, no such device
[08:49] <jay0> ok thanks
[08:49] <Drakeson> seems like something about xserver has been b0rked! the bold fonts are extremely bold now!
[08:49] <Drakeson> (dapper)
[08:52] <_tijn> ow wait, found it
[08:52] <Vge> hmm, what can i do when my "Install the base system" fails?
[08:53] <_tijn> linux-apic isnt supported (by bios)
[08:53] <_tijn> Vge: do you get any output other than that?
[08:54] <_tijn> if you switch consoles, during install, you can see the complete output
[08:54] <_tijn> i think it was under alt-F3
[08:54] <_tijn> not sure though
[08:56] <bimberi> Vge: could it it be a bad CD ...
[08:56] <bimberi> !verify
[08:56] <ubotu> I guess verify is to check the integrity of your installation media, one way is to visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto
[08:58] <Psi-Jack> Sweeet
[08:58] <Psi-Jack> Okay. What's the option in xorg.conf to stop the nvidia logo?
[08:59] <jay0> ok, i have another question
[08:59] <jay0> when a program is made to run under unix, and then i try to install it, i found out it'
[08:59] <jay0> s not going to work
[08:59] <jay0> but do i have to do anything to "uninstall" what it's one up until the errors?
[09:00] <Vge> wohoo, now i lost my /home drive, gg nr
[09:01] <Psi-Jack> What the heck?
[09:01] <Psi-Jack> The KDE Regional Keyboard Layouts list is empty now...
[09:03] <Vge> ubotu: after googleing it appeared broken partition tables, and i lost some data, grrr
[09:03] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, Vge
[09:03] <Psi-Jack> Something in kde 3.5.1 removed all the keyboard layouts.. :/
[09:04] <Vge> Psi-Jack: i needed to reboot the KDE when i updated
[09:04] <Psi-Jack> Vge: I just rebooted my system, and came back up with KDE. :p
[09:04] <Vge> k
[09:05] <luka74> Psi-Jack: know issue - you can workaround by doing ln -s /etc/X11/xkb /usr/share/X11/xkb
[09:05] <luka74> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2006-02-10 22:46 /usr/share/X11/xkb -> /etc/X11/xkb
[09:07] <Psi-Jack> Alright.
[09:08] <Psi-Jack> That's much better. Thanks luka74
[09:10] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I love it. KDE's got everything, including the kitchensync. :)
[09:11] <Blissex> Psi-Jack: thats not a bad pun. But don't tell the KDE developers, or they will really create an app with that name.
[09:12] <Psi-Jack> Ummm.
[09:12] <Psi-Jack> Should I say, they already do?
[09:13] <Blissex> Psi-Jack: I was afriad you would say that :-)
[09:13] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[09:13] <kkathman> Psi-Jack:  good luck :)
[09:13] <Psi-Jack> kkathman: Hmm?
[09:13] <kkathman> glad you got things up and running :)
[09:13] <Psi-Jack> Well, just testing things out. ;)
[09:14] <Psi-Jack> I'm about to put kubuntu server on one of my other systems, and try to get LDAPv3 binding working correctly.
[09:15] <kkathman> Psi-Jack:  I have 3 boxes on my network...some using Breezy and others still using Hoary...they just rock along nicely
[09:15] <_tijn> i mostly have debian
[09:15] <Psi-Jack> Well, once getting past the initial bugs of Kubunty, it might actually be worth using. :)
[09:15] <_tijn> but i must say iam quite impressed
[09:15] <_tijn> yep
[09:15] <_tijn> if only my laptop batt had some visuals :/
[09:16] <kkathman> Psi-Jack:  if you do find bugs, please check at launchpad and be sure they have been reported
[09:16] <kkathman> some bugs are KDE based, others Kubuntu-based
[09:16] <Psi-Jack> There's secret kubuntu developers, in here, aren't there? :)
[09:16] <_tijn> hehe
[09:17] <trappist> tijn: I have an applet in my systray that shows how my battery's doing
[09:17] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, what exactly is kubuntu-desktop, and why does it keep removing akode?
[09:17] <_tijn> trappist: yes, but the applet is an frontend
[09:18] <trappist> yep
[09:18] <_tijn> it uses acpi
[09:18] <_tijn> or apm
[09:18] <_tijn> that doesnt work
[09:18] <trappist> ah.
[09:18] <trappist> it does for me, but definitely not for everybody.
[09:18] <_tijn> meh, my laptop is know not to have acpi support
[09:19] <Psi-Jack> Oh, a meta-package. heh
[09:20] <_tijn> hey, acpid seems to be running
[09:20] <Psi-Jack> Aha..
[09:20] <Psi-Jack> Found another flaw.
[09:21] <Psi-Jack> akode and libakode are the same thing, but one's for 3.4.x, and the other for 3.5.1
[09:22] <_tijn> q: does this should fix my batt prob? http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/view.php?id=568
[09:22] <Psi-Jack> Heh, my next feat, will be to install the ncessary multimedia packages. For DVD, win32codecs, and all.
[09:24] <as_284> hello
[09:24] <as_284> do you know how to import from KMAIL in Evolution?
[09:25] <Psi-Jack> Kmail uses standard Maildir or mbox mailboxes.
[09:25] <as_284> yes
[09:25] <Psi-Jack> Try #gnome for gnome-based crap.
[09:25] <as_284> ok
[09:26] <Psi-Jack> Ask not how to import from kmail, but whatever format your mailboxes are in.
[09:27] <as_284> Psi-jack: thanks
[09:28] <jason_> hi, i tried to input "sudo echo "/usr/local/lib" >> /etc/ld.so.conf" and i got a Permission denied error
[09:28] <jason_> can someone tell me how to resolve this?
[09:29] <_tijn> what does an asl file do? better Q what do i do with it :D
[09:30] <trappist> jason_: you can't really do redirects with sudo like that.  you have to use tee.
[09:30] <Psi-Jack> You ask it it's Age, Sex, and Location? :)
[09:30] <jason_> trappist: how do you use tee?
[09:30] <_tijn> hehe
[09:30] <trappist> jason_: or just sudoedit /etc/ld.so.conf and add it manually
[09:30] <_tijn> o wait found an howto
[09:30] <_tijn> afk
[09:30] <trappist> jason_: why, man tee, of course :)
[09:31] <Aragorn_Guardian> hi...
[09:31] <jason_> trappist: am i appending?
[09:31] <Aragorn_Guardian> i need format 1722 floppies...anyone can help me?
[09:31] <trappist> jason_: yes
[09:31] <Aragorn_Guardian> in ubuntu has no /dev/fd01722...:/
[09:32] <jason_> trappist: how do you get out of a "man"?
[09:32] <satempler> Aragorn_Guardian: use a 1GB usb stick lol
[09:32] <Aragorn_Guardian> ehehehehehe
[09:32] <Aragorn_Guardian> nice idea...hehehe
[09:32] <trappist> jason_: q
[09:32] <Aragorn_Guardian> i need the floppy...hehehe
[09:33] <Aragorn_Guardian> ok...how can i made the dev by mysqlf...
[09:33] <Aragorn_Guardian> :/
[09:33] <Aragorn_Guardian> makedev
[09:33] <MetaMorfoziS> jason_ ctrl c?
[09:33] <jason_> thanks all
[09:34] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[09:34] <Aragorn_Guardian> :(
[09:34] <Aragorn_Guardian> no makedev????
[09:35] <jason_> ok, i tried "sudo tee -a "/usr/local/lib" /etc/ld.so.conf" and i got "tee: /usr/local/lib: Is a directory" what am i doing wrong?
[09:35] <satempler> Aragorn_Guardian: you basicly just neet to tell the mkfs utill to do it 1722 times
[09:36] <Aragorn_Guardian> ???
[09:36] <Aragorn_Guardian> and mknod????
[09:36] <satempler> Aragorn_Guardian: you don't need a dev file for that many floppys unless you have 1722 floppy drives
[09:36] <Aragorn_Guardian> noooo..
[09:36] <jason_> trappist?
[09:36] <Aragorn_Guardian> 8)
[09:37] <Aragorn_Guardian> i said...capacity of it...
[09:37] <satempler> oh ok well thats easy enough
[09:37] <Aragorn_Guardian> floppies are 1440....you can format them in 1680, or 1722
[09:37] <Aragorn_Guardian> 8)
[09:38] <satempler> oh ok don't wory there is a way to do it without the dev one sec
[09:38] <Aragorn_Guardian> nice... 8)
[09:38] <satempler> what format do you need fat ?
[09:39] <jason_> anyone: how do you edit "/etc/ld.so.conf"?
[09:39] <trappist> jason_: sudo vi /etc/ld.so.conf
[09:39] <Aragorn_Guardian> yes
[09:40] <t3nd0> whats the package called that enables dual display?
[09:40] <satempler> Aragorn_Guardian: mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0 shoud work fine
[09:41] <m_tadeu> how can i use the webcam?
[09:41] <satempler> Aragorn_Guardian: still looking to be shure
[09:41] <Aragorn_Guardian> nice...thanks...
[09:42] <satempler> Aragorn_Guardian: well just try it and see
[09:43] <jason_> trappist:  all i get is a blank screen... (ie i dont' know how to use vi)... i know, i'm a hopeless n00b....
[09:43] <satempler> jason_: use nano
[09:44] <jason_> satempler: how do you use nano?
[09:44] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[09:44] <satempler> jason_: nano sometextfile.conf
[09:44] <t3nd0> sudo nano -w
[09:44] <Psi-Jack> nano is like one of the easiest editors in the world.
[09:44] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[09:45] <MetaMorfoziS> nano fore2a
[09:45] <t3nd0> hrm my opengl isnt working
[09:45] <MetaMorfoziS> :DD
[09:45] <MetaMorfoziS> 4ewa:D
[09:45] <jason_> should my /etc/ld.so.conf be blank?
[09:45] <Psi-Jack> Why doesn't glxgears show the fps?
[09:46] <trappist> !glxgears
[09:46] <ubotu> To display the FPS type "glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark"
[09:46] <t3nd0> what program gives me the cool osx style app bar at the bottom?
[09:46] <satempler> Psi-Jack: look at the console
[09:46] <trappist> satempler: glxgears has changed.  it doesn't give you fps anymore by default.
[09:46] <MetaMorfoziS> t3nd0: it's intresting me
[09:46] <Psi-Jack> My gods. :)
[09:46] <Psi-Jack> That's a long command-line for what purpose did they bother? LOL
[09:46] <Aragorn_Guardian> satempler:  tomsrtbt has a script to make the devices...it uses mknod...
[09:46] <NRG88> hi, linux does not recognize my hp printer, and while booting, OK doesn't appear at the checklist for HP Linux Prining Service
[09:47] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm saw a screenshot with it @ kde-look.org, but i don't know what is it..
[09:47] <Aragorn_Guardian> i am looking...
[09:47] <orion_fr_24> !kbfx
[09:47] <ubotu> orion_fr_24: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:47] <Psi-Jack> Getting 2000+ FPS, though.
[09:47] <Aragorn_Guardian> thanks by help... 8)
[09:47] <trappist> Psi-Jack: they probably got sick to death of people using glxgears as a benchmarking tool
[09:47] <Psi-Jack> trappist: That's not a good reason. They could always just state that in the loading. :p
[09:47] <MetaMorfoziS> what program gives me the cool osx style app bar at the bottom?
[09:47] <trappist> Psi-Jack: they can pretty much do whatever they want :)  I don't see a problem with it
[09:48] <satempler> shouldn't be nessicary
[09:48] <jason_> satempler: in nano, what does "M-A" to append mean?
[09:48] <Psi-Jack> Okay.. Hmm.
[09:48] <orion_fr_24> !automatix
[09:48] <ubotu> automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'ynYn'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[09:49] <Psi-Jack> win32codecs isn't in the universe or multiverse?
[09:49] <satempler> jason_: I am not shure
[09:49] <jason_> satempler: how do i append then?
[09:49] <satempler> Psi-Jack: get those from plf
[09:49] <trappist> Psi-Jack: it's w32codecs
[09:49] <t3nd0> how come superkarumbu isnt in the adept package manager?
[09:50] <trappist> t3nd0: because it's superkaramba?
[09:50] <Psi-Jack> satempler: I /really/ don't trust 3rd party packagers right now.
[09:50] <jason_> satempler: ohhhhh!!! it means "alt"!!
[09:50] <t3nd0> err thats what i meant
[09:50] <t3nd0> superkaramba isnt in the adept package manager
[09:50] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, but still, nothing in official package repos for w32codecs
[09:50] <satempler> Psi-Jack: then you are stuck
[09:50] <Psi-Jack> !easysources
[09:50] <ubotu> Psi-Jack: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:50] <Psi-Jack> !sources
[09:50] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[09:50] <Psi-Jack> !easysource
[09:50] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[09:51] <satempler> Psi-Jack: they are in the plf repos
[09:51] <Psi-Jack> Right
[09:52] <trappist> Psi-Jack: just grab the tarball from mplayer.hu and extract it into /usr/lib/win32 if you like
[09:52] <satempler> ya true
[09:55] <LeeJunFan> Psi-Jack: better to put in /usr/local/lib/codecs
[09:58] <Psi-Jack> I think I know what I'll do.
[09:59] <Psi-Jack> Sometimes, use plf, or what-not, but keep them disabled in normal circumstances. :)
[10:00] <jason_> how do you uninstall something?  i accidentally installed something in my home directory...
[10:00] <jason_> can i just delete the folder?
[10:00] <_anilk> anyone can help me upgrade to dapper
[10:01] <_anilk> it says it wants to remove KDE packages
[10:02] <_anilk> Once we update sources.list, why not run "apt-get upgrade" instead of "apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[10:03] <Psi-Jack> dist-upgrade handles distribution upgrades.
[10:04] <_anilk> what difference does it make
[10:04] <jason_> anyone?  uninstalling help?
[10:04] <Psi-Jack> A /lot/
[10:04] <_anilk> since i updated sources.list to make system understant that its dapper, why not just use apt-get upgrade
[10:06] <_anilk> For me apt-get dist-upgrade is trying to remove most kde packages
[10:08] <_anilk> looks like i wont get answers :-(
[10:10] <trappist> _anilk: some packages have changed names, things move around, etc.  upgrade will just upgrade existing packages, and dist-upgrade will do the rest, like removing packages whose names have changed and replacing them, etc.
[10:10] <trappist> _anilk: you want to do upgrade THEN dist-upgrade.
[10:10] <Psi-Jack> _anilk: Likely, because you don't have the Dapper sources.
[10:10] <Psi-Jack> dist-upgrade handles distribution-specific package changes.
[10:10] <_anilk> this is what i did
[10:10] <_anilk> update sources.list to say dapper
[10:11] <Psi-Jack> Packages that were made for breezy, will be removed if there is no dapper package for it, for example.
[10:11] <_anilk> said dist-upgrade
[10:11] <Psi-Jack> Why doesn't ALSA's Master channel not work for the REAR surround channel? :)
[10:12] <_anilk> it wants to remove kdebase kdenetwork ...
[10:12] <Psi-Jack> _anilk: You do realize, Dapper is not "stable", correct?
[10:12] <_anilk> yes
[10:12] <_anilk> but atlease kde3.5.1 packages are available right ?
[10:13] <trappist> yep
[10:13] <antlarr> hi
[10:13] <_anilk> i am running breezy + kde351
[10:13] <trappist> _anilk: don't cry if you can't get X to start after you upgrade
[10:13] <Psi-Jack> trappist: What kernal version does dapper come with?
[10:14] <trappist> Psi-Jack: 2.6.15-15 is the current build
[10:14] <Psi-Jack> Err. Have currently, sorry. ;)
[10:14] <Psi-Jack> 15? That could be why nvidia's kernel module wouldn't work.
[10:14] <antlarr> I have breezy running on a laptop and acpi is writing on /var/log/acpid.log a few lines each 20 seconds or less (not a constant frequency, but always less than 30 seconds)
[10:14] <^rob^> hello
[10:14] <antlarr> any idea on how to turn it off without turning acpi off ?
[10:14] <trappist> Psi-Jack: it works, it just has to be rebuilt - and then you have to put some extra work into it
[10:14] <Psi-Jack> linux .14 and up need pretty much the bleeding latest version of the kernel driver module.
[10:15] <^rob^> how do i get rid of "Last chance to quit..." message from cdrecord ?
[10:15] <_anilk> trappist: At current state will dist-upgrade(breezy + kde351) == dapper + kde351 ???
[10:15] <Psi-Jack> ^rob^: Change the source code to omit it out? :)
[10:15] <^rob^> no other option?
[10:16] <Psi-Jack> man cdrecord for alternatives. ;)
[10:16] <trappist> _anilk: I can't parse your question
[10:16] <jason_> trappist: when you do "make" does it "install" the app to the folder that the source is in?
[10:16] <_anilk> trappist: why should dist-upgrade try to remove kde packages on a kubuntu system ?
[10:16] <^rob^> Psi-Jack: ty - i did that - and have not seen anything about that in man page
[10:17] <trappist> jason_: erm, sort of.  not really.  it just builds the source.
[10:18] <jason_> trappist: so is there any harm in moving the folder to somewhere else?
[10:18] <trappist> _anilk: it shouldn't try to remove all of them, but quite a few have been replaced or split up into separate packages and things like that
[10:18] <jason_> trappist: can i go so far as to delete the folder?
[10:18] <_anilk> it is removing complete kde stuff
[10:18] <trappist> jason_: what are we talking about?
[10:18] <_anilk> trappist: it is removing complete kde stuff
[10:19] <jason_> trappist: i had a tar.gz that i untared and "make"d but i did that all in the wrong directory, i think...
[10:19] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[10:19] <Psi-Jack> Kubuntu has something for "options" for init.d scripts, correct?
[10:20] <trappist> _anilk: for each package it's removing, have a look in the packages being installed for a possible replacement
[10:20] <trappist> jason_: doesn't matter where you do that
[10:20] <jason_> trappist: ok thanks.  so where does it "install" to?
[10:21] <_anilk> trappist: it is remove things like kdebase kdenetwork kdemultimedia kicker ... Definitely something else is wrong
[10:22] <Psi-Jack> Trying to figure out how to get hdparm to enable DMA on all drives, not just HDD's, but DVD drives too.
[10:23] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, /etc/default is the init.d script options dir, eh?
[10:23] <trappist> _anilk: those are all metapackages
[10:23] <luka74> Psi-Jack: you need to add "dma=on" to /etc/hdparm.conf
[10:24] <_anilk> trappist: check this link - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-89903.html
[10:24] <_anilk> trappist: it is exactly the same problem i am facing
[10:25] <troy> Psi-Jack: I put the following in my hdparm.conf: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/553289
[10:25] <trappist> _anilk: it's not a problem.  those are just metapackages and they don't matter.
[10:25] <troy> Psi-Jack: it'll also improve burning speeds substantially
[10:25] <marseillai> http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14beta1/ ------>> only for dapper!!! :( :(
[10:26] <trappist> _anilk: packages like that don't even contain files - their whole purpose is to depend on other packages so you can get a whole suite of stuff just by installing one package, like kubuntu-desktop.
[10:26] <trappist> _anilk: uninstalling those doesn't take the dependecies with it.
[10:26] <_anilk> trappist: thats good. But it also wants to remove adept akode akregator amarok amarok-arts amarok-engines amarok-gstreamer amarok-xine amor ark artsbuilder atlantik atlantikdesigner ...
[10:27] <_anilk> trappist: is that OK ?
[10:27] <trappist> like I said, a lot of packages have been renamed, moved around, split up etc.  I did this, went through that, and I still have all my kde goodness.
[10:28] <_anilk> hmm
[10:28] <trappist> _anilk: but I'm not recommending you do it.  things will break.  dapper is not stable.
[10:28] <trappist> there's a good chance X won't even start.
[10:28] <_anilk> trappist: If kde runs with kate konsole konqueror thats good enough for me
[10:29] <trappist> _anilk: X has to run first :)
[10:29] <trappist> after you manage to boot, of course
[10:29] <_anilk> trappist: if it works for you, why not me :D
[10:29] <_martin> WHAT is up with Multiverse repo????? It has been down for several days now!
[10:29] <trappist> _anilk: I spent hours fixing things and submitting bug reports after I did it.  I did it because I'm confident I can fix whatever breaks.
[10:30] <trappist> _anilk: for example, there's a fatal typo in the starx script in the xinit package.  that took a while to track down.
[10:30] <trappist> *startx
[10:31] <_anilk> trappist: hmm, i could tried things like that if it was not my office laptop. This will be a thing to try for weekend
[10:31] <trappist> _anilk: good idea.  give yourself time to fix breakage on your own time :)
[10:31] <_anilk> trappist: When do you suggest me to move to dapper test :D ?
[10:32] <trappist> _anilk: when it's released in april
[10:32] <_anilk> trappist: not before that ?
[10:33] <trappist> _anilk: dapper is for people who can fix it when it breaks.  not for people who think they want the newest, shiniest packages, because it's not stable.
[10:34] <_anilk> trappist: thanks. will go and give a try on weekend.
[10:34] <trappist> cool
[10:34] <_anilk> trappist: can i know who you are ;-)
[10:34] <gilrim> anyone familiar witxawtv?
[10:35] <gilrim> anyone familiar with xawtv?
[10:36] <Knowerrors> Can someone help with this, new drive I just insalled, has a fstab entry, sudo mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt/
[10:36] <Knowerrors> mount: /dev/hdb3 already mounted or /mnt/ busy
[10:37] <tripplethrendo> would anyone mind telling me the name of that app that gives you an osx style toolbar?
[10:37] <_anilk> trappist: thanks
[10:38] <troy> tripplethrendo: you want the file menus, etc. on the top?
[10:38] <arrinmurr> Knowerrors: err.. are you sure you want to mount it straight to /mnt? and anyway, if you have it in fstab, you should just say "sudo mount /mnt"
[10:38] <tripplethrendo> no i want the bigger logos that scroll when you move over them
[10:38] <tripplethrendo> on the bottom, like in osx
[10:38] <troy> tripplethrendo: try out superkaramba
[10:39] <tripplethrendo> oh yeah thats the one i couldnt remember the name thank you
[10:39] <tripplethrendo> is it difficult to install on kubuntu?
[10:39] <troy> tripplethrendo: sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[10:40] <troy> personally, I hate that way of doing things
[10:40] <antlarr> noone knows about acpid ?
[10:40] <Knowerrors> arrinmurr: I tried just typing sudo mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt , same message
[10:40] <tripplethrendo> that seems easy enough
[10:40] <Knowerrors> my fstab enty - /dev/hdb3       /mnt/hdb3       reiserfs    defaults        0       0
[10:41] <troy> antlarr: seems like there should be something useful in /etc/acpi
[10:41] <troy> antlarr: but I don't actually know what you're looking for specifically ...
[10:41] <arrinmurr> Knowerrors: so the mountpoint is /mnt/hdb3, but you try to mount it to /mnt? what if you try "sudo mount /mnt/hdb3" ?
[10:42] <Knowerrors> same thing
[10:42] <Knowerrors> do I need to reboot for new fstab enties to be enabled?
[10:43] <tripplethrendo> i've got another question.... how do i setup permissions so that i can set backgrounds and such in display settings that are on OTHER DRIVES (ntfs), it says something about only being able to use stuff in home folder or local folder something like that
[10:43] <arrinmurr> Knowerrors: hmm.. not sure. are you sure it's not already mounted somewhere?
[10:44] <Knowerrors> I can't find it... tried cat /etc/mtab
[10:45] <arrinmurr> ok. well, i'm afraid i don't know what's wrong then
[10:46] <arrinmurr> Knowerrors: maybe you should just try rebooting then. that could be the easy way to fix it
[10:48] <Knowerrors> yeah, will try that now...
[10:48] <Knowerrors> brb :)
[10:49] <antlarr> troy: I want to stop acpid writing to the /var/log/acpid.log file a lot of lines each few seconds
[10:50] <antlarr> [Mon Feb 13 22:49:53 2006]  received event "battery C13B 00000081 00000001"
[10:50] <antlarr> [Mon Feb 13 22:49:53 2006]  notifying client 6885[110:110]
[10:50] <antlarr> [Mon Feb 13 22:49:53 2006]  executing action "/etc/acpi/power.sh"
[10:50] <antlarr> etc
[10:56] <matt24> How do I install firefox in breezy 5.10
[10:56] <arafat> !rpcgen
[10:56] <ubotu> arafat: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:56] <tijn_> apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[10:57] <tijn_> as root
[10:57] <tijn_> with sudo that is
[10:57] <tijn_> well iam off to bed, Cya all
[10:58] <matt24> I haven't setup a administrator account yet
[10:59] <visik7> it's useless
[10:59] <visik7> does anyone use remote desktop integrated in kde351 ?
[10:59] <matt24> under Adept it says that firefox is installed. but its not in the menu of internet prorgrams
[10:59] <visik7> I mean the server not the client
[10:59] <angasule> I can't get some unicode fonts to work :(
[10:59] <visik7> matt24: alt+f2 -> firefox
[10:59] <arafat> !joram
[10:59] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, arafat
[11:00] <matt24> can't open
[11:02] <matt24> can someone tell me how to pull packages from the web instead of the dvd
[11:03] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.. This is annoying.
[11:03] <Psi-Jack> Everytime I close Kaffeine, I get a drkonq about it. :/
[11:03] <tanubis> matt24: you have apt running, right?
[11:04] <matt24> not sure
[11:04] <matt24> just installed
[11:04] <matt24> first time using
[11:04] <Psi-Jack> Anyone else, running kde 3.5.1, get that when closing kaffeine, drkonq coming up saying it crashed?
[11:04] <tanubis> matt24: did you install firefox already?
[11:05] <matt24> getting away from windows xp and the spyware and viruses
[11:05] <matt24> yup\
[11:05] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: what version of kaffeine?
[11:05] <matt24> but it was from the dvd
[11:05] <tanubis> matt24: ah... first time defenestrating?
[11:05] <tanubis> matt24: ok, well, the way to install stuff on kubuntu is generally going to be through apt
[11:05] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: 0.7
[11:06] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: there's 0.7.1 in the backports. the crashing problem is fixed in it.
[11:06] <tanubis> matt24: type alt-f2 to bring up a run dialogue, and then type konsole and enter
[11:06] <tanubis> that brings up your command shell
[11:06] <matt24> k
[11:06] <tanubis> if you want to install firefox from there, type sudo apt-get install firefox
[11:06] <tanubis> actually
[11:06] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Backports? Okie dokie. :)
[11:06] <tanubis> first thing you want to do is type sudo apt-get update
[11:06] <matt24> need some help installing ATI drivers for a x800 pro video card to please if someone can.
[11:07] <tanubis> and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:07] <Psi-Jack> !easysource
[11:07] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:07] <matt24> I don't have an administrator account setup yet
[11:08] <tanubis> matt24: you don't get one on kubuntu unless you manually go through it, and it's not recommended
[11:08] <tanubis> matt24: just use sudo
[11:08] <matt24> I do
[11:08] <matt24> and it asks for a passwork
[11:08] <matt24> password
[11:08] <tanubis> that's the password you have for YOUR login
[11:09] <tanubis> it gives the default user admin powers with sudo by default
[11:09] <matt24> k
[11:09] <matt24> firefox is installed
[11:10] <matt24> now for ATI drivers
[11:11] <zblach> matt24,firefox 1.5?
[11:11] <tanubis> zblach: more than likely 1.0.7
[11:11] <zblach> tanubis, that's what i'm thinking
[11:11] <matt24> yup
[11:11] <Flexo> its godamn impossible to compile that irssi in that shitty kubuntu ;)
[11:11] <matt24> 1.0.7
[11:11] <zblach> spent a while trying to install 1.5. no success.
[11:12] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[11:12] <tanubis> zblach: what's in 1.5 that you really want?
[11:12] <Psi-Jack> There's an easy way to install Mozilla 1.5
[11:12] <Flexo> can anyone help me?
[11:12] <zblach> tanubis, had a bit of weirdness with 1.0.7
[11:12] <tanubis> ah
[11:12] <matt24> how do I install
[11:12] <zblach> i.e files would be saved with double extensions
[11:13] <tripplethrendo> what version of kde is used in the current kubuntu installation?
[11:13] <matt24> Can someone in here who has an ati card. help me installl the drivers and get it working
[11:13] <tanubis> matt24: not sure, but try enabling the universe/multiverse repositories in apt and then trying apt-cache search ait
[11:13] <zblach> matt24, sudo apt-get install fglrx-xorg-drivers
[11:13] <tanubis> *ati
[11:13] <Psi-Jack> tripplethrendo: 3.4.something?
[11:13] <zblach> Psi-Jack, 3.4.2, neh?
[11:14] <Psi-Jack> Yeah.
[11:14] <luka74> matt24: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[11:14] <zblach> tanubis, you running firefox?
[11:15] <tanubis> zblach: yes, but it's 1.0.7
[11:15] <zblach> k
[11:15] <tanubis> haven't seen any reason to upgrade to 1.5
[11:15] <zblach|away|> files would be saved as 'something.tar.gz.tar'
[11:15] <gilrim> what program is suggested for recording video of a pinncle card? I'm using  aquite old p3 here, and I been trying xawtv, but somehow I only get video and no audio - even tho the computer relays audio to the stereo at playback...
[11:15] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I betcha I know why 1.5 isn't in repos yet. ;)
[11:15] <zblach|away|> Psi-Jack, why?
[11:16] <matt24> need the install instructions for breezy 5.10 ATI drivers
[11:16] <Psi-Jack> Because when it's actually compiled, it shows as Deer Park, instead of Mozilla Firefox.
[11:16] <hollywoodb> gilrim: if you're using alsa make sure capture and input channels are unmuted & turned up
[11:16] <Flexo> my irssi refuses to ./configure completely, can anyone help meg.
[11:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what's the embedded audio player of kde in konqueror?
[11:16] <Psi-Jack> But, Anyway.
[11:17] <arrinmurr> Tallia1Kubuntu: kaffeine ?
[11:17] <Psi-Jack> To install Mozilla Firefox 1.5, for now, you can just get the offical binaries from Mozilla's site, untar it to /opt/mozilla, or /usr/local/mozilla, and just edit your kmenus to load it directly.
[11:18] <gilrim> hollywoodb: record is the red 'led' below the slider in kmix?
[11:18] <gilrim> that's supposed to be lit?
[11:18] <Psi-Jack> To set it as a recording source, yes./
[11:19] <hollywoodb> Tallia1Kubuntu: noatun, you can set it in kcontrol, KDE Components -> File Associations
[11:19] <hollywoodb> gilrim: yes, should be lit under the input you're using and the capture channel, and both need to be turned up
[11:21] <matt24> what player can play mpg
[11:22] <Psi-Jack> Lots.
[11:22] <Psi-Jack> Kaffeine is one, though.
[11:24] <tripplethrendo> so i can only download 3.2-3.5 themes on kde-look.org  with the current release of kubuntu?
[11:25] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[11:25] <Psi-Jack> How do I get konq/kaffeine, whichever is doing it, to not copy the file from the dvd just to play it, when using media: or system:
[11:26] <tripplethrendo> I can't even open files that are on NTFS drives.  Like for desktop configure, I can't open .jpgs on hdb1 or sda1
[11:27] <tripplethrendo> Something wrong with permissions maybe?
[11:31] <hollywoodb> tripplethrendo: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[11:31] <gilrim> anyone had any luck with fuse btw?
[11:32] <Psi-Jack> Better yet.
[11:32] <gilrim> I've *almost* got i running, I tink, but it keeps complaining about missing libaries at run, that's already preesent :(
[11:32] <tripplethrendo> hollywooddb thanks i will try that :)
[11:33] <Psi-Jack> How do I make is so that system: and media: sources are treated as local, rather than as if it were over a network? (hence the copying factor I'm getting)
[11:34] <dsclee1> hi
[11:35] <matt24> how do I test 3d in kubuntu
[11:35] <MetaMorfoziS> glxgears
[11:35] <matt24> thanks
[11:35] <MetaMorfoziS> nm
[11:35] <MetaMorfoziS> if it's work slow, you have only software rendering
[11:35] <dsclee1> kubuntu is real cool
[11:35] <MetaMorfoziS> yes:)
[11:35] <visik7> glxgears of ubuntu doesn't report fps why ?
[11:35] <dsclee1> but im still having problems with wifi
[11:35] <MetaMorfoziS> i don't know
[11:35] <MetaMorfoziS> but i'm interested, if anybody knows:D
[11:36] <visik7> MetaMorfoziS: no it work slow also on hw render
[11:36] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^ ok..
[11:36] <visik7> tested on nvidia driver enabled
[11:36] <visik7> (nvidia logo)
[11:36] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[11:36] <visik7> glxgears of ubuntu still slow and no fps
[11:36] <visik7> but tuxracers perform well
[11:36] <matt24> what another way to test 3d in kubuntu
[11:36] <visik7> apt-get install tuxracer
[11:36] <matt24> need to know if I installed the ati drivers right'
[11:36] <visik7> lsmod |grep fglrx
[11:37] <visik7> if the 3rd field isn't 0 u are using 3d accell
[11:37] <dsclee1> how do i do a search for all channels in konversation irc
[11:37] <bimberi> !glxgears
[11:37] <ubotu> To display the FPS type "glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark"
[11:37] <jerware> does kubuntu have workspaces ?
[11:37] <dsclee1> yeah theres 4 squares at the bottom
[11:37] <jerware> with ctr-alt arrow keys to navigate ?
[11:38] <matt24> how do I upgrade to firefox 1.5
[11:38] <dsclee1> ctrl tab works
[11:38] <visik7> jerware: ctrl+Fn
[11:38] <bimberi> !ff1.5
[11:38] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[11:39] <dsclee1> u know u can do a full channel search in mirc how do u do it in konversation?
[11:39] <tripplethrendo> Can anyone point me to something that will explain how to get DUAL DISPLAY working?  I have two identical 19" LCDs
[11:40] <matt24> 7200 fps
[11:40] <matt24> is that good
[11:41] <ccc_> dsclee1: /list ?
[11:43] <Aragorn_Guardian> hi
[11:43] <Aragorn_Guardian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8608
[11:43] <tripplethrendo> so the current kubuntu release is also known as "breezy badger" is that correct?
[11:43] <ccc_> tripplethrendo: yes
[11:45] <dsclee1> lol wish i hadnt run that !lsit command
[11:46] <dcwckd> hey guys
[11:46] <dcwckd> can anyone tell me how to edit my kde kicker menu? I thought the GUI was kmenu, but it doesnt appear to be installed on my system
[11:48] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, is there any tool to tell me what audio/video codec a file is using?
[11:49] <ccc_> dcwckd: right click > menu editor
[11:50] <dcwckd> when I right click on something inside kmenu
[11:50] <dcwckd> it opens it
[11:50] <dcwckd> so weird
[11:51] <dcwckd> ccc_: can you help?
[11:51] <dcwckd> nvm
[11:51] <dcwckd> found it
[11:51] <ccc_> great :)
[11:54] <Donvinzk> Hie, how can I install extra language in my kubuntu ?
[11:57] <visik7> Donvinzk: for kde or for the system ?
[11:58] <Donvinzk> visik7: for the maximum of apps... but right now I have firefox in french openoffice... all the gnome app... and I would like to have it for kde
[11:58] <visik7> u need to create locale for other lang
[11:58] <visik7> dpkg-reconfigure locale
[11:58] <Donvinzk> initially I installed ubuntu as a server (problem of installation) and I am trying to have kde in french
[11:58] <visik7> and for kde apt-get install kde-i18n-<the_lang>
[11:59] <Donvinzk> visik7: do you mean localeconf ?
[12:00] <matt24> anyone in here use cedega 5.0
[12:00] <visik7> I mean locale
[12:00] <ragna> !ati
[12:00] <ubotu> hmm... ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[12:00] <Donvinzk> apt-cache search locale brings nothing, visik7
[12:00] <visik7> locales
[12:00] <Donvinzk> well, no locale package
[12:00] <visik7> locales
[12:01] <Donvinzk> right, in the middle of the hundreds results, sorry


[06:56] <mup> PR snapd#5834 closed: cmd/snap: commands no longer build their own client <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5834>
[06:59] <mup> PR snapd#5843 opened: client, cmd/snap: expose warnings to the world <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5843>
[07:00] <Chipaca> bongiorno, principesse
[07:00] <Chipaca> buon*
[07:00] <Chipaca> drat
[07:00] <Chipaca> :-)
[07:03] <mup> PR core18#71 opened: hooks: use relative symlinks when unwinding <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/71>
[07:23] <zyga> Chipaca: reviewed
[07:23] <Chipaca> zyga: #5802 +1'ed
[07:23] <mup> PR #5802: cmd/snap-update-ns: introduce trespassing state tracking <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5802>
[08:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#2282 closed: build providers: cleaner start and launch messaging <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2282>
[09:02] <rbasak> This seems odd:
[09:02] <rbasak> Failed to reuse files from previous run: The 'pull' step of 'wrappers' is out of date:
[09:02] <rbasak> The source has changed on disk.
[09:02] <rbasak> On a Launchpad snap build of git-ubuntu
[09:02] <rbasak> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/389203040/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_xenial_amd64_git-ubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:02] <rbasak> Surely that should never happen on a single fresh snapcraft run?
[09:03] <rbasak> Oh
[09:03] <rbasak> I never merged https://code.launchpad.net/~kyrofa/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+merge/354509
[09:03] <rbasak> That's probably it. Sorry.
[09:28] <zyga> jdstrand: hey, low priority ping that I updated https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5170
[09:28] <mup> PR #5170: interfaces/builtin: add adb interface <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5170>
[09:31] <mup> PR snapd#5802 closed: cmd/snap-update-ns: introduce trespassing state tracking <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5802>
[09:44] <mup> PR snapd#5844 opened: interfaces/opengl: misc accesses for VA-API <Created by flexiondotorg> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5844>
[09:48] <mup> PR snapcraft#2283 opened: snapcraft snap: refactor override-build into a script <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2283>
[09:49] <kyrofa> sergiusens, ^
[10:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#2284 opened: build providers: make use of time for multipass stop <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2284>
[10:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#2285 opened: snapcraft snap: vendor legacy snapcraft <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2285>
[11:02] <thresh> hello
[11:02] <thresh> are there any "get it on Snap store" kinda buttons for the website?
[11:03] <thresh> I'm redoing the "download for ubuntu" page for VLC, and would like to use something
[11:03] <thresh> popey, maybe you know? ^^^
[11:07] <popey> Yes, I will dig it out after lunch. Iirc slack has it on their download page if you want to steal that :)
[11:38] <thresh> popey, found it;  not sure if it's made by slack or snapteam;  would like to know the license if it's made by you folks
[11:41] <popey> thresh: our design team made it, but I'll find the original mail where I got it
[11:48] <popey> thresh: ok, asked design for the details, we should get it within the next day or so.
[11:49] <diddledan> popey: can you make sure someone relevant sees my comment here: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/developer-sprint-sep-17th-2018/7336/20
[11:50] <popey> diddledan: i do believe that is the plan, even though it may not be written on that thread. Good catch
[11:50] <diddledan> good good
[11:52] <thresh> popey, thanks!
[12:01] <ogra> diddledan, +1000 !
[12:02] <diddledan> ooh, Innernet Points!
[12:02]  * diddledan cashes them in for a shiny badge
[12:03] <ogra> :D
[12:03] <zyga> kyrofa: https://discourse-docs.staging.snapcraft.io/t/the-snap-format/698
[12:03] <zyga> kyrofa: look for "autostart"
[12:06] <mborzecki> kyrofa: let me know if there's anything missing there on autostart
[12:24] <kyrofa> mborzecki, actually works better than I thought it did. One weird thing, I'm gonna head up there in a minute to show you something
[12:30] <kyrofa> Haha, he's running
[12:30] <kyrofa> You can't hide from me mborzecki
[12:33] <mup> PR core18#71 closed: hooks: use relative symlinks when unwinding <Created by mvo5> <Merged by sil2100> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/71>
[12:48] <sergiusens> kyrofa: take a chance and look at my PR, he is standing right in front of me
[12:48] <kyrofa> sergiusens, I did
[15:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#2283 closed: snapcraft snap: refactor override-build into a script <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2283>
[16:56] <stokachu> sergiusens, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H3zkBwh4W8/
[16:56] <stokachu> any idea?
[16:57] <stokachu> ive had to refactor some of the snapcraft stuff b/c it doesn't like wrappers in snap/ anymore
[16:57] <stokachu> https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up/tree/snap-fixes is the current state of it
[16:59] <stokachu> rbasak, that error you saw, happened to me, had to move wrappers out of snap
[16:59] <stokachu> then do some override-prime to make it work
[16:59] <sergiusens> stokachu: I am having dinner now. But I can help you with a PR if you want.
[16:59] <stokachu> basically whats in my ^ snap-fixes branch
[17:00] <sergiusens> As soon as I get back
[17:00] <stokachu> sergiusens, sure or if youre EOD can do it tomorrow
[17:00] <stokachu> whatever works
[17:01] <sergiusens> I have no issues with unblocking you as early as I can
[17:01] <stokachu> hah, you make me feel so loved
[19:22] <mup> PR snapd#5843 closed: client, cmd/snap: expose warnings to the world <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5843>
[20:45] <mup> PR snapd#5845 opened: interface: add new dotfiles interface <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5845>


[11:05] <pangolin> DrkCodeman: Please don't idle in this channel.
[12:52] <jussi> she loves me again! YAY :P
[12:53] <jussi> (ubottu that is...)
[12:53] <Tm_T> my love isn't enough? )':
[12:55] <pangolin> jussi: Could you update the access list with the new CC members?
[12:57] <jussi> pangolin: who are we missing?
[12:58] <pangolin> beuno and czajkowski
[12:58] <pangolin> may afaik
[12:58] <pangolin> err -may
[12:58] <jussi> pangolin: go look at who is present here...
[12:59] <pangolin> ?
[12:59] <jussi> or did someone only voice them and not add to the list?
[12:59] <pangolin> I voiced them
[12:59] <pangolin> I don't think I can add to the list so I didn't try
[12:59] <jussi> yeah, you cant.
[13:00] <jussi> Ill get to it later.
[13:00] <pangolin> k
[14:04] <beuno> pangolin, jussi, thanks  :)
[14:05] <pangolin> sure thing :)
[14:05] <pangolin> btw you have both been added
[14:05] <pangolin> you should be auto voiced on join from now on
[14:08] <czajkowski> thank you
[14:08] <pangolin> :)
[14:34] <ikonia> that's much better, thank you
[17:43] <ikonia> hello  maco
[17:45] <maco> hi


[00:04] <lrussell> I need help. Xubuntu is acting slow. I have 256 mb of ram, i know it isnt all that much but... it it kinda rediciously slow... I'm reinstalling it right now hoping it might do something
[00:08] <lrussell> anyone here?
[01:05] <PatrickC_Pre2> does git come pre-installed?
[01:14] <knome> no
[01:15] <PatrickC_Pre2> ok
[01:15] <PatrickC_Pre2> thanks
[01:15] <knome> no problem
[01:21] <PatrickC_Pre2> xubuntu is nice
[01:22] <PatrickC_Pre2> but it runs a little slow
[01:25] <psycho_oreos> maybe its yer computer specs that are a little above the minimum requirements
[01:27] <patrickc-ubuntu> i have 4gb available ram
[01:27] <patrickc-ubuntu> but i am allowing 1gb i believe
[01:28] <patrickc-ubuntu> im using it in a vbox
[01:56] <psycho_oreos> 1GB should be plenty in theory. Other possible reasons may include video driver under vbox
[02:52] <alex__> can someone help me? im a new xubuntu user
[02:52] <alex__> its my first linux try
[02:53] <alex__> many things dont work on my alienware m11x... like the touchpad is crazy, the video card is not work, the wireless do not work
[02:54] <alex__> is xubuntu the good choice or should i use a different os for compatibleness?
[11:12] <brothersome> How does Xubuntu perform on a PanelPC with 4 GB, any experience here
[11:27] <ikonia> bergasche: same as any PC with a similar spec
[11:28] <ikonia> should be very reasonable as 4GB is massiver over kill for such a light window manager
[11:28] <brothersome> Does the evtouch driver works good in xubuntu?
[11:28] <brothersome> I have a panel PC with 1 GB RAM and 4 GB flash
[11:29] <brothersome> Ram should be enough for Ubuntu --- Expecting below 300 MB
[11:52] <mikubuntu> hey guys anybody know a channel for tech help (physical repair)?
[12:01] <mikubuntu> is it possible to charge a laptop from another laptop via usb?
[12:13] <Sysi> i think laptops can't intake power from usb
[12:14] <mikubuntu> hey sysi, do you know of a tech help channel, i don't know how to find one.  tried #tech, etc...  but couldn't find one
[12:14] <Sysi> not really
[12:14] <Sysi> /msg alis list *word*
[12:15] <mikubuntu> thers a garage sale around the corner and they have a laptop but the inport pin is broken
[12:16] <mikubuntu> sysi, thanks ... nice command
[15:21] <Xubuntunoob> is anyone here
[15:22] <Sysi> pop a question if you have any, all people present ansver if they know
[15:22] <Xubuntunoob> k
[15:23] <Xubuntunoob> how do i set up  vnc server?
[15:25] <Xubuntunoob> i want to be able to access my computer from the internet
[15:26] <Xubuntunoob> do i have to install a program ?
[15:26] <Sysi> unless you have very fast internet connection, you can't really use graphical remote desktop
[15:27] <Sysi> vnc is also unsecure, you would need to use it through ssh-pipe
[15:28] <Xubuntunoob> how do i do that?
[15:30] <Xubuntunoob> im sorry if my questions are newbie-ish
[15:30] <Xubuntunoob> im kind of new to this
[16:33] <mohadib> howdy
[16:33] <mohadib> is it possible to hide/remove the network manager applet thing on my taskbar?
[17:15] <josi> how can i set the mouse/cursor speed?
[17:15] <Sysi> mouse settings
[17:15] <josi> somehow it doesnt save the settings
[17:18] <josi> sysi: it really doesnt save the settings
[17:18] <Sysi> hum, it should
[17:23] <josi> sysi: i have a thinkpad. the trackball is normal, the mouse is too fast
[17:30] <josi> sysi: its a common problem with some mice... thanks for the moment. bye
[17:41] <thor_> hey i just install xfce 4.8 on ubuntu 10.10 and fell like gnome2. its good that you not do like ubuntu and gnome3
[17:48] <subspider> hello
[17:49] <subspider> i need to make firefox able to open java
[17:49] <subspider> applet
[17:49] <Sysi> !java
[17:49] <subspider> i can't do it
[17:49] <subspider> hello
[17:49] <subspider> Sysi,
[17:49] <subspider> :)
[21:15] <mark76> Does anyone know what a gdkpixbuf is?
[21:16] <Sysi> gtk-pixbuf, gtk2-engines-pixbuf?
[21:16] <mark76> Maybe
[21:25] <chudy_michef> hi. xubuntu gui stopped responding to mouse clicks while I was using the shell. i tried exiting the shell, now not even the 'off' switch works. i would turn it off at the wall, but it's running on battery power. any suggestions?
[21:26] <Sysi> by shell you mean ctrl alt F1-6 terminals?
[21:27] <chudy_michef> I mean a terminal window - I opened it by right-clicking in a folder.
[21:28] <Sysi> altgr printscreen K will force logout
[21:28] <charlie-tca> hold the power button down for at least 10 seconds usually works too
[21:29] <Sysi> killing xorg is nicer than killing entire system
[21:29] <charlie-tca> true
[21:29] <chudy_michef> I just tried the first option. SOMETHING's happening (in that the mouse pointer has stopped moving, and I can hear the hard drive working).
[21:30] <chudy_michef> Aha! It logged out.
[21:31] <chudy_michef> I wonder why that happened in the first place. I was just using LaTeX from the terminal when I noticed I couldn't click on anything outside the terminal window.
[21:34] <chudy_michef> Thanks.
[21:44] <root__> How do I empty the trash fully?
[21:44] <root__> I empty the trash but there's no more room on my harddrive.
[21:44] <root__> Are there hidden files somewhiere I can delete manually?
[21:45] <Sysi> did you have anything there (also please don't crosspost)
[21:50] <root__> Sysi:
[21:50] <root__> i used rm -r ~/.local/share/Trash/* but df still says the same
[21:50] <root__> I didn't see what was there
[21:51] <root__> Sysi: yes I had a 1.5 GB file in the trash can
[21:53] <Sysi> stay on one channel, i'm there too
[23:56] <Atomhunter> hey anyone used fakeraid before?


[00:10] <PatrickDK> erichammond, as response to your blog post :)
[00:10] <PatrickDK> I had issue with ubuntu ami not having ext4 support, but it did include mkfs.ext4 :)
[00:13] <erichammond> pquerna: Yes, The Canonical Ubuntu AMIs do run user-data as root on first boot if it starts with #! just like the Alestic AMIs. http://alestic.com/2009/06/ec2-user-data-scripts
[00:13] <pquerna> erichammond: sweet.
[00:14] <erichammond> PatrickDK: Which blog post? What AMI id?
[00:14] <PatrickDK> let me see if I can find the ami number
[00:14] <ruben23> hi, anyone can suggest an opensource ticketing system..
[00:15] <PatrickDK> I had deleted the instanse I was testing with, and ext4 was just something I tried for the hell of it, and found /proc/filesystems didn't list support, and mount wouldn't mount it
[00:15] <PatrickDK> so I assume there wasn't a module for it build either
[00:15] <PatrickDK> I've been reading all your ec2 posts :) most informative posts in planet.ubuntu
[00:20] <sbeattie> ruben23: request-tracker (aka rt) and roundup are the two I've seen used; IIRC trac can also be used as a ticketing system.
[00:23] <ruben23> sbeattie: thanks ill check thid
[00:27] <PatrickDK> ami-1515f67c
[00:27] <smoser> pquerna, yes
[00:55] <genii> ruben23: ticgit looks interesting, haven't used it tho
[01:15] <erichammond> PatrickDK:  ami-1515f67c is out of date.  You might want to upgrade to ami-bb709dd2.  Bug 428692 talks about ext4 support on EC2 kernels.
[01:15] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 428692 in linux-ec2 "ec2 kernel needs CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y and other config changes" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428692
[01:16] <patdk-lap> I had installed that ami, and ran apt-get to update it
[01:16] <patdk-lap> maybe it needed a reboot :(
[01:34] <erichammond> patdk-lap: It's not clear to me that ext4 is supported, even in the most recent EC2 AMI.  In any case, apt-get upgrade and reboot will not upgrade a kernel in EC2.
[02:32] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #512633 in eucalyptus (main) "CLC+Walrus+SC+CC installed even if node is preseeded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512633
[03:09] <kees> soren: I've updated the fetchmail/dovecot tests a bit more.  they work fine on karmic, so if dovecot changed for lucid, please update the tests.
[08:45] <jiboumans> good mornig
[10:30] <error404notfound> can i hide ssh signature from apppearing in portscan?
[10:32] <_ruben> probably not
[10:32] <error404notfound> _ruben: i guess i would need to recompile ssh from code to do that, right?
[10:32] <error404notfound> i wonder why didn't ubutnu-server team did this, its better to  hide what runs where and which version.
[10:33] <error404notfound> do this*
[10:33]  * error404notfound super drunk:(
[10:33] <_ruben> hiding != security
[10:33] <error404notfound> _ruben: more layers, more time to breach, more secure
[10:33] <error404notfound> the less i show you, the more secure i am
[10:34] <_ruben> lets agree to disagree on that one
[10:34] <error404notfound> thats the whole purpose of SSL, hiding via encryption
[10:34] <error404notfound> hmm, okay :)
[10:35] <jpds> error404notfound: Do you mean the host key fingerprint?
[10:35] <error404notfound> jpds: nope, version signatures printed in portscan
[10:36] <jpds> error404notfound: re: version> I believe the client software depends on this to know which protocol of SSH to abide to.
[10:36] <error404notfound> jpds: hmmm, may be, can't say. will check into it..
[10:43] <soren> I've never believed it makes any difference. Assuming that people actually look at this string before they toss their arsenal of exploit at you (another assumption I find questionable), and assuming that their check will go "Oh, I don't know which exact version of SSH this is. I might as well not try anything and just be on my merry way"
[10:43] <soren> ...rather than "Oh, I don't know what version this is. I'll just try ALL my SSH exploits rather than just the ones meant for version X."...
[10:44] <soren> ..then yes, it might make a tiny bit of a difference.
[10:44] <jpds> error404notfound: https://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764#c1
[10:44] <error404notfound> soren: yes, but it makes a difference, of probably seconds...
[10:44] <soren> What will make a /massive/ difference, though, is whether you are diligent in applying security updates when we publish them.
[10:44] <uvirtbot`> bugzilla.mindrot.org bug 764 in sshd "fully remove product and version information" [Enhancement,Closed: wontfix]
[10:44] <soren> That will make more of a differnce than /anything/ else.
[10:46] <jpds> error404notfound: Security through obscurity, not the answer.
[10:46] <soren> error404notfound: If you're vulnerable, it doesn't matter whether you get broken into right now or in two seconds. Fix the problem rather than hiding it.
[10:48] <error404notfound> hmm, guess i would go with the second option of running a VPN server on the machine and bind ssh to vpn ip, that way outside world won't even see it..
[10:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #512732 in libvirt (main) "package libvirt-bin 0.7.5-5ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512732
[12:34] <mealstrom> I've got problem with permissions, I want to mount samba share (smb://server/share) (cifs from fstab) but only get read permission and w for created files (but not create or delete) . Windows user can mount it as network disk with rw. Also I have rw permission on smb://server/share . Where can be the problem ?
[13:09] <zul> wtf i l have to log on to nickserv in order to join the channel?
[13:12] <zul> morning anyways
[13:13] <laen> May be a weird question, but we're wondering (production environment) if we really need deb-src in the sources list?
[13:14] <laen> Or, if maybe, is there a way to check? We don't develop, we don't build from source.
[13:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #512777 in samba (main) "first login fails when NIC is managed by NM-wicd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512777
[13:30] <laen> Anyone?
[13:31] <soren> zul: Yeah, there's been a lot of problems lately with bots joining channels, posting links to sites that will turn your browser into a bot as well, etc. Or something.
[13:32] <soren> zul: ...so I +R'ed the channel (as per advice from Freenode staff)
[13:32] <soren> laen: then you don't need it.
[13:32] <zul> soren: ah ok
[13:32] <laen> soren: thanks, awesome. The system itself doesn't install stuff from deb-src'es either?
[13:32] <soren> laen: Never.
[13:32] <laen> Cool.
[13:32] <EtienneG> hey soren!
[13:33] <EtienneG> soren, is this a good place for vmbuilder qustions?
[13:33] <soren> laen: I belive it's configured by default to really deliver on the promise to make source available "right next to" the binary packages.
[13:33] <soren> EtienneG: Everywhere is a good place to ask vmbuilder questions :)
[13:34] <EtienneG> soren, I am having a problem with vmbuilder, and I think it might be due to the fact that I am trying to build a 32 bits on a 64 bits host
[13:34] <soren> EtienneG: Time will tell if it's a good place to ge tanswers.
[13:34] <soren> EtienneG: That should work.
[13:34] <soren> EtienneG: what's the difficulty?
[13:34] <laen> soren: and you're a member of the ubuntu team, developer, or any special rank besides user?
[13:35] <EtienneG> soren, well, I get a debootstrap error
[13:35] <EtienneG> lemme pastebin it
[13:35] <soren> laen: Something like that.
[13:35] <soren> laen: I work for Canonical on the Ubuntu server team.
[13:36] <EtienneG> soren, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m288dcae0
[13:36] <laen> soren: Just asking cause i need to report back to the rest of my team with reasons :) thanks!
[13:36] <EtienneG> soren, this is an esxi vm i am trying to build, using an ISO
[13:37] <EtienneG> brb
[13:37] <soren> EtienneG: You can't install from a desktop ISO.
[13:37] <soren> EtienneG: Desktop ISO's do not contain .deb's. You can install from server or alternate, but not desktop.
[13:40] <soren> laen: Any time.
[13:40]  * EtienneG bang head
[13:41] <EtienneG> soren, thanks a bunch, my bad!
[13:42] <soren> EtienneG: No worries.
[13:43] <EtienneG> oh boy ...
[13:53] <kwork> does anyone use some like keeppass but what would have distribute password saving
[13:53] <kwork> like somekind of "password server"
[13:53] <kwork> where multiple users could hold passwords securely
[14:10] <patdk-wk> damn, even the nightly build doesn't contain ext4 support :(
[14:11] <patdk-wk> tested ami-bb709dd2 and ami-495ab720
[14:36] <Omahn> Anyone in here fancy having a look at why Puppet is broken in Lucid? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/puppet/+bug/509625
[14:36] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 509625 in puppet "Puppet client is broken on Lucid Alpha 2" [Undecided,New]
[14:39] <Omahn> EtienneG: Another support case heading your way I suspect :-)
[14:40] <EtienneG> Omahn, hey Paul!
[14:40] <Omahn> Hi :-)
[14:40] <EtienneG> fortunately, you have the whois info set to your real name, otherwise I would have been completely puzzled!
[14:40] <Omahn> ;-)
[14:40] <EtienneG> Omahn, I am oversea for the next two weeks, on-site consulting
[14:40] <Omahn> I go by Omahn in IRC and on launchpad
[14:41] <EtienneG> Omahn, I doubt I will be handling your case this time :(
[14:41] <Omahn> Aha, you might get a rest from this one then
[14:41] <EtienneG> Omahn, i am confident the gys at the support center can deal!  :)
[14:42] <Omahn> I'm sure they can. Any idea what the policy is for support cases on unreleased releases? I suspect the relevant devs might want to pay attention to this bug as puppet is due to go into main for lucid and it's currently broken.
[14:43] <EtienneG> Omahn, that's a big one
[14:43] <EtienneG> it is central to many blueprints, so I would expect it to get fixed indeed
[14:43] <EtienneG> no harm in filing a support case, it is going to be tracked in two places!
[14:44] <EtienneG> Omahn, just fyi, we are usually pretty reluctant to deal with cases on unreleased release (ouf, tautology!)
[14:44] <Omahn> EtienneG: I can appreciate that :-)
[14:44] <EtienneG> Omahn, reason being that stuff are actually expected to break from time to time, and it is hard to keep track
[14:44] <Omahn> I just thought the developers would have picked up on my bug report a bit sooner with it going to main.
[14:44] <Omahn> EtienneG: Understood.
[14:45] <Omahn> I've had a quick look at it myself but it's going to involve someone with ruby experience to fix.
[14:45] <EtienneG> Omahn, mathiaz is the ne who spent the most time on Puppet.  I guess you may poke him gently, especially yif you are colunterring to test a fix ;)
[14:45] <EtienneG> (ouch, so may typos, damn caffeine!)
[14:46] <Omahn> ;-) I'll keep an eye out for mathiaz then and give him a gentle prod next time I see him online.
[14:47] <EtienneG> Omahn, no harm in filing a support case nonetheless
[14:47] <EtienneG> we can track that on two fronts
[14:47] <Omahn> I'll do that, thanks.
[14:48] <ttx> zul: looking at eucalyptus apport hooks code, I think there is a typo on line 13 @ http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/eucalyptus/lucid/annotate/head%3A/debian/source_eucalyptus.py
[14:49] <zul> ttx: looking
[14:49] <ttx> also "Eucalytptus" on line 42
[14:49] <ttx> rsponse on line 48
[14:50] <EtienneG> I always spells it eucalytpus
[14:50] <EtienneG> damn annoying
[14:50] <ttx> benefial on line 58
[14:50] <ttx> EtienneG: yes, I do the same
[14:51] <zul> ttx: ok ill fix
[14:55] <twb> EtienneG: you need to get hippie-expand completion in your IRC client, then ;-)
[14:55] <EtienneG> twb, what's that?
[14:56] <EtienneG> shang, is pmatulis in the office today?
[14:56] <EtienneG> shang, wrong channel, plese ignore
[14:57] <twb> hippie-expand is an interactive autoloaded Lisp function.  It is bound to M-/.  Try to expand text before point, using multiple methods.  The expansion functions in `hippie-expand-try-functions-list' are tried in order, until a possible expansion is found.  Repeated application of `hippie-expand' inserts successively possible expansions.
[14:58] <EtienneG> twb, interesting
[14:58] <twb> EtienneG: you type, say, euc M-/, and it sees "eucalyptus" earlier in the scrollback and autocompletes on it
[14:59] <EtienneG> twb, that is pretty useful inded
[15:02] <soren> vim has the same thing.
[15:03] <Elad> when I type: ls -al /var/mail/root it shows "total 8" but only 2 items are listed. So I am assuming that I have mail, but when I run mutt, at the bottom of the page is shows "/var/mail/root is not a mailbox"
[15:03] <Elad> anyone else ever had a similar problem?
[15:04] <soren> Elad: How does "ls" show "total 8"?
[15:04] <zul> ttx: fixed
[15:04] <soren> Elad: Oh, it's a Maildir?
[15:04] <Elad> It should be my mail dir
[15:04] <soren> Elad: Then you probably want to refer to it as /var/mail/root/ (note the slash at the end)
[15:04] <ttx> mathiaz: I'd be interested in getting some more explanation on your gPXE setup, so that I can use it / base my own setup on it
[15:04] <Elad> soren: note, taken :)
[15:05] <mathiaz> ttx: yeah - I plan to blog about it real soon now
[15:05] <mathiaz> ttx: do you have a deadline?
[15:05] <ttx> mathiaz: I would have loved playing with it now, but I can wait until tomorrow :)
[15:05] <mathiaz> ttx: ok - I'll write something up later today then
[15:06] <Elad> soren: when you run ls -a it displays "total x" where x is the number of items in the directory, well at least normally. So it says 8, but only 2 things are displayed. [1] . [2] ..
[15:06] <Elad> which is expected for an empty directory
[15:06] <Elad> I don't know how the mail stuff works - which is why I'm a little confuse
[15:06] <Elad> confused
[15:07] <ttx> mathiaz: don't let that prevent you from burning WIs, you're quite low :)
[15:11] <Elad> all I am really trying to do, is see what messages the machine has for the root user
[15:23] <patdk-wk> heh, both of you are wrong
[15:23] <patdk-wk> when doing ls -al
[15:23] <patdk-wk> total is the amount of space used
[15:23] <patdk-wk> not total files
[15:23] <patdk-wk> and that would be correct, what elad said
[15:24] <patdk-wk> 8, 8kbytes used, 4kbits for each file, . and ..
[15:24] <Elad> patdk-wk: thanks for the info
[15:24] <Elad> patdk-wk: I can see it now that you mentino it
[15:24] <patdk-wk> so that would be, NO MAIL :)
[15:25] <_ruben> 4kbits + 4kbits != 8kbytes
[15:25] <patdk-wk> heh :)
[15:25] <patdk-wk> so used to typing in bits lately
[15:25] <patdk-wk> 8kbytes used, 16kbits for each file :)
[15:27] <_ruben> so your bytes are 4 bits ?
[15:28] <patdk-wk> yep, they where cercumsized
[15:28] <Elad> lol
[15:31] <mealstrom> I've got trouble with dhcpd.leases -- no leases at all :( .
[15:31] <mealstrom> ps ax | grep dhcpd -- /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf eth1 eth3
[15:31] <mealstrom> and there is no -cl flag (for leases) .. any idea why?
[15:32] <patdk-wk> heh, mine is running without any flags
[15:32] <mealstrom> sr. no -lf flag (lease file , and it should be /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases)
[15:33] <mealstrom> lucky one ). and how you know if someone gets it IP or not?
[15:33] <mealstrom> please check /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases
[15:33] <Jeeves_> less /var/log/daemon.log
[15:34] <patdk-wk> hmm, you don't need to use -lf -pf and -cf if you want to OVERRIDE the defaults
[15:34] <mealstrom> Jeeves: only warning dhcpd: WARNING: Host declarations are global.  They are not limited to the scope you declared them in.  But its ok.
[15:34] <patdk-wk> by default, in 8.04 atleast, /var/state/dhcp/dhcpd.leases is where it is
[15:35] <Jeeves_> mealstrom: Do you see a DCHPDISCOVER, DHCPOFFER, DHCPREQUEST and DHCPACK >
[15:35] <Jeeves_> ?
[15:35] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #512459 in samba (main) "Winbind failed to connect to AD: Program lacks support for encryption type" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512459
[15:36] <mealstrom> patdk-wk:  im using 9.10 now, but with 8.04 were the same
[15:36] <mealstrom> I don't specify  any flags. -cf -pf takes from default
[15:36] <patdk-wk> let me check my dhcpd on 9.10
[15:37] <mealstrom> Jeeves: in my dhcplient  Jan 26 17:20:01 skywalker dhclient: DHCPREQUEST of <IP_ADDRESS> on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[15:37] <mealstrom> Jan 26 17:20:01 skywalker dhclient: DHCPACK of <IP_ADDRESS> from <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:37] <mealstrom> Jan 26 17:20:01 skywalker dhclient: bound to <IP_ADDRESS> -- renewal in 3471 seconds.
[15:37] <Jeeves_> mealstrom: Than you have a lease, <IP_ADDRESS> to be exact
[15:37] <mealstrom> nope. I've got client lease on client side
[15:38] <patdk-wk> yep, on 9.10, it's using /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases
[15:38] <mealstrom> and no lease from dhcpd
[15:38] <patdk-wk> mine is working no issues on 9.10 :)
[15:38] <mealstrom> patdk-wk: ps ax | grep dhcpd please
[15:38] <patdk-wk> /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf eth0 eth0.4 eth0.5
[15:39] <mealstrom> you don't have -lf either
[15:39] <patdk-wk> ya, cause it uses the default
[15:39] <Jeeves_> mealstrom: So where did you client get the ip from, if it's not from the dhcpd? :)
[15:39] <patdk-wk> why do you need to override a default?
[15:39] <mealstrom> I don't need to override them
[15:39] <patdk-wk> there is no need for -lf :)
[15:39] <mealstrom> I just need dhcpd.leases to work
[15:40] <mealstrom> Jeeves: client takes and client side have got dhcplient.leases , and my server who gave it -- didn't
[15:40] <patdk-wk> where is the log info from the server?
[15:40] <mealstrom> and I don't know why
[15:40] <patdk-wk> I see you posted dhclient, but not dhcpd
[15:41] <patdk-wk> is <IP_ADDRESS> the ip of your server running dhcpd?
[15:41] <mealstrom> my server messages.log
[15:41] <mealstrom> Jan 26 17:26:01 dreamguard dhcpd: DHCPACK on <IP_ADDRESS> to 00:21:91:2d:ef:7a via eth3
[15:41] <mealstrom> Jan 26 17:40:12 dreamguard dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for <IP_ADDRESS> from 00:19:5b:38:c9:5a via eth1
[15:41] <mealstrom> Jan 26 17:40:12 dreamguard dhcpd: DHCPACK on <IP_ADDRESS> to 00:19:5b:38:c9:5a via eth1
[15:41] <patdk-wk> directory permissions on /var/lib/dhcp3?
[15:41] <mealstrom> hmm..
[15:42] <mealstrom> drwxr-xr-x  2 dhcpd     dhcpd    4096 2010-01-26 15:24 dhcp3
[15:42] <patdk-wk> and dhcpd.leases doesn't exists?
[15:42] <mealstrom> -rw-r--r--  1 dhcpd dhcpd  126 2010-01-26 15:24 dhcpd.leases
[15:43] <mealstrom> dhcpd    23787  0.0  0.0  15408  1136 ?        Ss   15:24   0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf eth1 eth3
[15:43] <mealstrom> permissions looks fine for me
[15:44] <mealstrom> ill try dirty hack with init.d
[15:45] <_ruben> mealstrom: i guess you do use dynamic leases and not static ones?
[15:45] <Jeeves_> mealstrom: init.d?
[15:45] <Jeeves_> /etc/default would be to efficient? :)
[15:46] <patdk-wk> did you specify lease-file-name in dhcpd.conf?
[15:47] <mealstrom> patdk-wk: what it shoud be ?
[15:47] <patdk-wk> personally? I dont have it in my files :)
[15:47] <patdk-wk> but if you use it, it will override you leases file
[15:47] <mealstrom> Jeeves_: hm, there is no -lf parameter in init.d
[15:47] <mealstrom> I don't use it either
[15:51] <mealstrom> maybe its because global host declaration ?
[15:51] <Jeeves_> maybe it's in /etc/default/dhcp3-server?
[15:53] <patdk-wk> ya, you defently have a bad config
[15:53] <patdk-wk> dunno if that can cause the leases file problem, but I think it might
[15:53] <mealstrom> Jeeves_: there is only interfaces are declared
[15:53] <patdk-wk> cause dhcp doesn't know what ip goes with what interface
[15:54] <mealstrom> it should know
[15:54] <mealstrom> cos I've got 2 subnets on 2 different nics
[15:54] <mealstrom> with static ip on them
[15:54] <patdk-wk> ya, but the purposes of the leases file is for cross boot
[15:54] <patdk-wk> and things could change
[15:55] <mealstrom> I've put declared hosts in subnets
[15:55] <mealstrom> for "fixed-address"
[15:56] <patdk-wk> where do you get that warning?
[15:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #507616 in apache2 (main) "CustomLog directive in apache2.conf makes it impossible to change default logging without editing the global config." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507616
[15:57] <patdk-wk> hmm, I am not getting that warning
[15:57] <patdk-wk> and I have hosts outside subnet sections
[15:58] <mealstrom> patdk-wk: dhcpd: WARNING: Host declarations are global.  They are not limited to the scope you declared them in.
[15:58] <patdk-wk> oh, you put the hosts INSIDE a subnet
[15:58] <patdk-wk> instead of outside, when you wanted them to work with both subnets?
[15:58] <mealstrom> they are already inside subnets
[15:58] <patdk-wk> the fixed ip's on them don't match the subnet they are in is what it's saying
[15:59] <mealstrom> <IP_ADDRESS>/24 with <IP_ADDRESS> host
[15:59] <mealstrom> they match
[16:00] <patdk-wk> guess I am going have to see your config file to figure out what is wrong
[16:00] <patdk-wk> never had issues with dhcp, it's always worked fine, and I don't have a simple setup
[16:01] <patdk-wk> only problem I had with dhcpd was ping-check was on :( making pxe boots take forever
[16:01] <mealstrom> I've managed with pxe
[16:01] <mealstrom> its ok )
[16:02] <mealstrom> now working on preseed configuration
[16:02] <mealstrom> and I habent try options.preseed or something like this in dhcpd
[16:04] <_ruben> 16:45 < _ruben> mealstrom: i guess you do use dynamic leases and not static ones?
[16:05] <_ruben> static leases (defined in dhcpd.conf) arent added to the leases file
[16:05] <_ruben> only dynamic ones are
[16:05] <mealstrom> hehehe...
[16:05] <mealstrom> where you was 2 hours ago?
[16:06] <_ruben> here :)
[16:06] <mealstrom> "you are so cruel "  :)
[16:06] <_ruben> only you didnt ask here 2 hrs ago ;)
[16:06] <_ruben> anyway .. time to head home
[16:07] <mealstrom> ). ok . lets check with dynamic ...
[16:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #512833 in bind9 (main) "package bind9 1:9.6.1.dfsg.P1-3ubuntu0.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512833
[16:13] <incorrect> is anyone putting together a ubuntu based firewall product like pfsense?
[16:15] <jjohansen> smoser: ec2 kernel update is being obnoxious, hopefully we will have something today but it has been a mess so far
[16:15] <smoser> patches rebase ?
[16:21] <zul> incorrect: have use used ufw?
[16:21] <zul> jjohansen: hah hah ;)
[16:22] <jjohansen> zul: you sadist
[16:22] <zul> jjohansen: who me?
[16:22] <jjohansen> zul: yeah you :)
[16:23] <zul> hehe
[16:23] <jjohansen> zul: perhaps sadist is the wrong word, its not so much that you love others peoples misery its that you love that its not your misery
[16:23] <zul> jjohansen: yeah thats more true
[16:24] <incorrect> zul, nope i will have a look
[16:25] <incorrect> zul, can i build a NAT box with it?
[16:25] <zul> incorrect: you should be able to i think
[16:25] <zul> jdstrand: ^^^
[16:26] <jpds> I don't think ufw supports NAT.
[16:26] <patdk-wk> use shorewall then
[16:27] <patdk-wk> or is this an attempt to use a pretty gui? :(
[16:27] <jdstrand> the ufw cli command does not support NAT. the ufw framework does (see 'man ufw-framework' and/or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UncomplicatedFirewall for details)
[16:28] <jdstrand> incorrect: ^
[16:28] <incorrect> thanks
[16:28] <incorrect> i just found the same info
[16:29] <mealstrom> during ubuntu-server instalattion there is a lot of "Fail to download" files with *.udeb . Are they critical ? (I've make local mirror with apt-mirror) and there is no udeb files
[16:30] <patdk-wk> hmm, I have a whole crapload of udeb files in my mirror
[16:31] <mealstrom> oem-config-check_2.0.6_all.udeb ?
[16:31] <jpds> Omahn: Puppet is all fixed. :)
[16:32] <incorrect> ok so is there anything more powerful than ufw?
[16:32] <incorrect> other than directly using iptables
[16:33] <incorrect> not used iptables since 05
[16:33] <patdk-wk> /pool/main/u/ubiquity/oem-config-check_2.0.6_all.udeb
[16:33] <mealstrom> you've got it?
[16:33] <patdk-wk> yep
[16:33] <patdk-wk> and 2.0.10, 2.1.7 and 2.1.8
[16:33] <patdk-wk> your mirror is screwed :)
[16:33] <jdstrand> incorrect: if by more powerful you mean supports NAT without having to know iptables syntax, you might look at shorewall
[16:34] <incorrect> jdstrand, ok i will just remind myself about iptables
[16:34]  * patdk-wk just stopped using iptables manually about 6 months ago, and switched to shorewall
[16:34] <incorrect> i want to use ubuntu so i can move ldap, munin, tftp and a bunch of other services off my kvm box
[16:35] <mealstrom> patdk-wk: what mirror you are using for sync ?
[16:35] <patdk-wk> us.archive.ubuntu.com
[16:35] <mealstrom> ...hm ..
[16:36] <patdk-wk> I don't use apt-mirror, I found that a worthless attempt
[16:36] <mealstrom> it didn't copy *.udeb files
[16:37] <patdk-wk> I use rsync
[16:37] <jcastro> those are for the installer
[16:37] <jcastro> if you're just mirroring for updates and all that you don't need them
[16:38] <patdk-wk> I pxe boot the installer
[16:38] <patdk-wk> so I guess I need them
[16:38] <mealstrom> I need em too
[16:38] <mealstrom> you ve made full mirror with rsync , right?
[16:38] <jcastro> grab a 2-stage rsync script from the wiki, that would work better I bet
[16:39] <patdk-wk> I make an almost complete mirror
[16:39] <mealstrom> I've only need mirror for karmic
[16:39] <patdk-wk> well, rsync can't do that
[16:39] <patdk-wk> it will sync all versions
[16:39] <patdk-wk> you would have to read the toc's to do just the ones needed, that is what apt-mirror does
[16:40] <patdk-wk> but only updates, not for installations
[16:40] <patdk-wk> the next solution is to use squid :)
[16:40] <patdk-wk> and the just use a normal default mirror
[16:40] <mealstrom> im using archive.ubuntu.com
[16:41] <mealstrom> to use rsync for karmic only - a need a package parser
[16:41] <patdk-wk> na, rsync wouldn't be usefull that way either
[16:41] <patdk-wk> would probably just have to wget each file
[16:41] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #512462 in bacula (main) "bacula-console-qt missing config file crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512462
[16:41] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #512863 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (universe) "mysqld.sock not found after restart" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512863
[16:41] <patdk-wk> rsync is really for groups of files, I guess you could feed it a list, :(
[16:41] <patdk-wk> just gets ugly fast
[16:42] <mealstrom> package.gz has md5 sums for each package
[16:42] <mealstrom> crap... all missing files are from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/debian-installer
[16:43] <patdk-wk> well, that is easy then
[16:44] <patdk-wk> zcat Packages.gz | awk '/^Filename: / { print $2; }'
[16:44] <patdk-wk> download all those files
[16:44] <patdk-wk> or feed that into a rsync list to download
[16:49] <mealstrom> there should be something easier
[16:50]  * patdk-wk doesn't know how that is *hard*
[17:13] <mealstrom> patdk-wk: deb-XXX http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu karmicXXXXXX main restricted universe multiverse main/debian-installer (+ univerce/debian and so on)
[17:13] <mealstrom> that's easier )
[17:14] <patdk-wk> that doesn't download udeb files
[17:14] <patdk-wk> or will it?
[17:14] <ScottK> SpamAssassin 3.3.0 released!
[17:14] <mealstrom> it downloafs
[17:14] <ScottK> \o/
[17:14] <ScottK> Daviey: ^^^
[17:15] <mealstrom> apt-mirror gets package.gz parse it and downloads . all those *.udeb were in /debian-installer/i386(amd)/package.gz.
[17:15] <mealstrom> so I've addet debian-installer to be mirrored localy
[17:16] <patdk-wk> just got the email :)
[17:16] <mealstrom> so it was karmic /main    and I've added karmic /main/debian-installer and that's all
[18:09] <Daviey> ScottK: \o/
[18:09] <Daviey> ScottK: I emailed the debian maintainer a while ago who pretty much said he had it in hand, but patches welcome
[18:30] <smoser> erichammond, would you mind if i took runurl and added to ec2init ?
[18:30] <smoser> and is http://run.alestic.com/runurl the right runurl ? and any reason why it is #!/bin/bash not #!/bin/sh
[18:35] <koolhead17> hi all
[18:35] <koolhead17> hello kees
[18:35]  * koolhead17 waves propagandist
[18:49] <zul> smoser: you'll have to update the debian/copyright file if you do that just an fyi
[18:49] <smoser> yeah, i have other udpates there too
[19:34]  * soren just had a rockin' idea for Lucid+1
[19:38] <ajmitch> soren: demoting most of main?
[19:39] <soren> No, but also sounds like fun :)
[19:40]  * ajmitch was just reading kees' suggestions about web apps
[19:43] <kees> mmmm profiles
[19:44] <ajmitch> I know some people who use moodle, but not sure if it's hosted on ubuntu or debian
[19:45] <soren> kees: Has anyone ever done a profile for a webapp?
[19:47] <kees> soren: in a published package? not that I know of.  but I've personally profiled squirrelmail, wordpress, cacti, and awstats.
[19:47] <ajmitch> and for a PHP web app at that? Are apache modules still needed for that?
[19:47] <kees> oh, and mailman
[19:47] <soren> kees: How?
[19:47] <soren> kees: I mean... It's all run by Apache.
[19:47] <ajmitch> changing hats?
[19:48] <kees> ajmitch: yeah
[19:48] <kees> soren: mod_apparmor
[19:48] <soren> kees: What if you have something that doesn't have a profile?
[19:48] <soren> kees: Oh.
[19:48]  * soren was not aware of such a thing
[19:48]  * ajmitch found the spec for it for karmic
[19:48] <jdstrand> I've got moin
[19:48] <kees> soren: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apparmor-dev/apparmor/master/annotate/head%3A/profiles/apparmor.d/usr.lib.apache2.mpm-prefork.apache2
[19:49] <jdstrand> kees: mdeslaur did phpsysinfo (but not really a big app)
[19:49] <kees> jdstrand: right, true.
[19:51] <jdstrand> it's hard to ship a profile in these webapps cause of the traditional issues with webapps in Debian/Ubuntu-- they can put stuff all over the place (including for virtual hosts)
[19:51] <myk_robinson> evening, all
[19:51] <jdstrand> ship an *enforcing* profile that is-- we can ship complain mode or disabled profiles
[19:51] <kees> jdstrand: I think it still might be possible in some cases.
[19:51] <myk_robinson> I have a system we just built with 8*1.5TB hard drives. We have built a hardware raid and we are trying to partition the drives.
[19:52] <myk_robinson> we are having an issue creating a 9TB partition, any ideas?
[19:52] <jdstrand> oh I am not saying it is impossible, just difficult
[19:52] <soren> myk_robinson: What is the issue?
[19:52] <patdk-wk> myk_robinson, using 64bit I hope
[19:52] <mdeslaur> well, it may not be so bad for webapps
[19:52] <mdeslaur> depending on what they do, they are usually restricted to their own directory anyway
[19:52] <mdeslaur> ie: not many of them want to mess with system stuff
[19:52] <ajmitch> jdstrand: those problems exist just for trying to package web apps, especially those that have their own installer pages that want to write all over the filesystem to mode 777 files
[19:52] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: not for a default install-- but as soon as you go beyond it or have virtual hosts somewhere, then you get in trouble
[19:53] <jdstrand> ajmitch: yeah :(
[19:53] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: yes, it's only good for default installations
[19:53] <myk_robinson> soren: partition length of<PHONE_NUMBER>5 secotrs exceeds the ms-dos-partition-table-imposed maximum of #########
[19:53] <jdstrand> eg, moin has a farmconfig
[19:53] <soren> myk_robinson: Yes. Don't use MS-DOS partition tables.
[19:53] <mdeslaur> if you're not using a default install, you're probably not using packages anyway
[19:53] <jdstrand> where do the non-default 'farmed' files go?
[19:53] <myk_robinson> soren: perhaps we missed a step, we'd like to format it to ext4, but never get the option
[19:53] <soren> myk_robinson: You want to use GPT. If you use parted for partitioning, it will sort all of this out for you.
[19:53]  * patdk-wk just doesn't use partition tables at all
[19:54] <patdk-wk> just format /dev/sda :)
[19:54] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: oh I don't know about that... moin is quite useful with farmconfig
[19:54] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: though you are surely right for some
[19:54] <smoser> jjohansen, ping
[19:55] <patdk-wk> myk_robinson, think about just formatting ext4 right to the device, no partitions
[19:55] <patdk-wk> or if you do need them, put lvm right on it
[19:55] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/428692 any thoughts on possibly SRU-ing the minor changes to build in ext4 and loop ?
[19:55] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 428692 in linux-ec2 "ec2 kernel needs CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y and other config changes" [Medium,Triaged]
[19:56] <myk_robinson> just a sec, Jeremy is gonna take my place, he speaks the language better..
[19:59] <jjohansen> smoser: loop and ext4 should be builtin
[19:59] <myk_robinson> soren: patdk-wk: Ok...I have a total of 9.0TB available after a raid 6 configuration.  I want to partition using ext4.  I am using the ubuntu alternate install, and it is erroring out saying max msdox-partition-table-imposed maximum error
[19:59] <jjohansen> smoser: oh oops, SRU
[19:59] <myk_robinson> how do i get a new partition table and format this thing
[20:00] <patdk-wk> do you need to boot from that drive?
[20:00] <jjohansen> smoser: I think that might be SRUable
[20:00] <soren> Session on server testing in 5 seconds in #ubuntu-classroom
[20:00] <myk_robinson> yes..well it is one logical volume, and i want a swap, a root, and a storage partition
[20:00] <smoser> could we move toward that? those changes would be extremely low likelyhood for regression as they're built in everywhere else
[20:01] <jjohansen> smoser: yeah, I will request an SRU for that
[20:01] <patdk-wk> myk_robinson, hmm, boot partition causes in issue with how I would do it :(
[20:01] <patdk-wk> can you select a different partition layout? maybe bsd?
[20:01] <myk_robinson> won't be a boot partition, will be in mbr
[20:01] <smoser> can you put a comment in that bug? someone is asking on ec2ubuntu and i'd liek to have some status there.
[20:01] <patdk-wk> I dunno the installer very good, never use it really
[20:02] <patdk-wk> you have to have a boot partition, in your case, your boot partition would be / (root)
[20:02] <myk_robinson> one second
[20:02] <myk_robinson> might have it
[20:03] <myk_robinson> i gave the drive a new partition table and it is working
[20:03] <myk_robinson> must have been something goofed by suse when i tried installing using ext3
[20:04] <myk_robinson> cause ext3 has a max size of 4TB
[20:04] <patdk-wk> heh :) maybe it put the msdos table on there
[20:04] <patdk-wk> and ubuntu tried to reuse it
[20:04] <myk_robinson> don't know..but it works
[20:04] <myk_robinson> thanks for the help
[20:04] <patdk-wk> hmm, ext3 should be able to do 16tb
[20:05] <myk_robinson> ok..thought it said 4TB but may be wrong
[20:05] <patdk-wk> 4tb is the max if using dunno
[20:05] <myk_robinson> suse crapped out on trying to do the 8.15TB parition
[20:05] <patdk-wk> 2tb max using 1k blocks
[20:05] <patdk-wk> 8tb max using 2k blocks
[20:05] <patdk-wk> maybe you forgot to tell it to use 4k blocks :)
[20:06] <patdk-wk> ext4 has same limits
[20:06] <myk_robinson> could be...it is now formatting the parition..should be a while so i will hopefully not have anymore problems
[20:06] <myk_robinson> thanks for your help
[20:06] <patdk-wk> oh wait, no it doesn't, my bad :)
[20:06] <patdk-wk> it's filesize max out at 16tb :)
[20:06] <myk_robinson> it can go to 1,000 TB
[20:06] <myk_robinson> filesize is 16tb yeah
[20:16]  * ajmitch just saw the regression test ppa mentioned in the developer week session, how often is that meant to be updated?
[20:45] <mealstrom> what should look like preseed user encrypted password ?
[20:45] <mealstrom> d-i passwd/user-password-crypted password (what's next) [md5hashpass] or just md5hash pass ?
[21:07] <genii> mealstrom: I'm pretty sure just: d-i passwd/user-password-crypted password md5hash-here
[21:09] <mealstrom> doesn't work :)
[21:10] <mealstrom> md5sum is right for that ?
[21:10] <mealstrom> oops :( wrong hash
[21:30] <kees> soren: the dovecot issue appears to be a real regression in dovecot.  I've filed: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dovecot/+bug/512975
[21:30] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 512975 in dovecot "mail_location not set and autodetection failed: Mail storage autodetection failed with home=/home/USERNAME" [Undecided,New]
[21:44] <mrayzenoss> Is it possible to use the Live Desktop CD to kickoff a server install?  The Live CD handles the EFI weirdness on my Mac, but I just want to use it as a server
[21:49] <zul> kees: i broke dovecot?
[21:58] <mdeslaur> mathiaz: fyi: upstream mysql bug for certs expiring in 2 days: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=50642
[21:58] <mathiaz> mdeslaur: great thanks
[21:58] <patdk-wk> mdeslaur, hehe, thanks, I have one expiring today :( luckly it's not critical :)
[22:03] <kees> zul: I think dovecot broke dovecot.  *shrug*  I don't have time to investigate today
[22:49] <maxfiles> can you run a desktop on the server environment/
[22:49] <maxfiles> ?
[22:51] <patdk-wk> heh?
[22:51] <patdk-wk> you mean, run ubuntu desktop on a server? sure
[22:51] <maxfiles> would it run slower or faster
[22:52] <maxfiles> I'm having an issue with my current desktop version
[22:52] <maxfiles> where I did an update
[22:52] <patdk-wk> not much slower, shouldn't be noticable
[22:52] <maxfiles> and now none of my services will start
[22:52] <patdk-wk> it just installs all the gui stuff that server doesn't
[22:52] <mealstrom> you can run vnc server on it
[22:52] <maxfiles> cant get apache, mysql, pureftpd to start at boot
[22:52] <maxfiles> have tried everything so far that I can think of
[22:53] <maxfiles> so I figured a fresh start would be useful
[22:55] <patdk-wk> did you ever figure out why they wouldn't start?
[22:55] <maxfiles> no
[22:55] <maxfiles> I have tried every bit of software that I can think of after reading
[22:55] <maxfiles> asking for help and getting nowhere
[22:55] <patdk-wk> the only reason for me, besides syntax errors
[22:55] <patdk-wk> is if the network ip's didn't come up correctly
[22:56] <maxfiles> then it would be an ubuntu update that did that
[22:56] <patdk-wk> dunno
[22:56] <patdk-wk> I have never seen an ubuntu update kill something like that
[22:56] <patdk-wk> but then, I dunno what all you have, that I might not
[22:57] <maxfiles> well I run irc, crons, ftp, apache, mysql for the most part
[22:57] <maxfiles> hddtemp for temp monitoring
[22:57] <maxfiles> and I cant even get that to start
[23:00] <maxfiles> runlevel says unknown when I use that
[23:00] <maxfiles> so I have no idea what run level I'm on
[23:00] <patdk-wk> I don't believe runlevels have been used for a long time
[23:00] <patdk-wk> but have been imitated
[23:01] <maxfiles> ok then why are they related to boot up rc0.d et el
[23:01] <maxfiles> or are they not
[23:17] <mealstrom> who used preseed file with password-crypt ?
[23:17] <mealstrom> d-i passwd/user-password-crypted password md5    -- I've got problem after system install with this password. it doesn't match
[23:20] <mealstrom> I've used htpasswd (from apache2) to create md5 hash and now don't know what password to put :(
[23:26] <erichammond> mealstrom: I recommend generating a new password and saving it this time.
[23:26] <Italian_Plumber> Hello.  I am trying to add a new hard drive to my server, 804.  The BIOS correctly identifies the drive, but I can't mount it because I can't find it in the /dev directory.  I have a /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, but no /dev/sdc.  The machine already had a primary master and slave, and a secondary master.  I have added the new drive as the secondary slave.
[23:27] <mealstrom> erichammond: I've generate md5 from text file. I've checked md5 for that file and command line input. they were the same
[23:31] <erichammond> mealstrom: Ah, I misunderstood and thought you had lost the password.
[23:36] <tarski> so i got my ubuntu server to be my router, it's doing fine, im wondering if i use a switch connecting two laptops to the switch and the switch to the router/server, if i assign those laptops static IP's in the range i specified on my server, will i get internet on both?
[23:37] <mealstrom> internet *** router *** swich ** N-laptops  --- yes
[23:39] <erichammond> mealstrom: You might try generating the encrypted password using this command: openssl passwd -l file:$PASSWORDFILE
[23:39] <mealstrom> erichammond: thanks for advise
[23:40] <erichammond> er, that option should be -1 (one), so: openssl passwd -1 file:$PASSWORDFILE
[23:40] <erichammond> argh, with no space after "file:"
[23:41] <erichammond> Actually tested this one: openssl passwd -1 file:$PASSWORDFILE
[23:41] <mealstrom> how to arg md5 ?
[23:41] <erichammond> The -1 means "md5"
[23:42] <erichammond> To see other options: openssl passwd -help
[23:42] <erichammond> (where -help is not a valid option)
[23:42] <erichammond> Also, for other info: man htpasswd
[23:42] <erichammond> er, man openssl
[23:42] <erichammond> can't type today
[23:42] <mealstrom> yes, I've got it
[23:42] <erichammond> or think
[23:44] <erichammond> Odd, looks like TMTOWTDO, so this also works: openssl passwd -1 -in $PASSWORDFILE
[23:46] <erichammond> but nobody ever accused Unix/Linux command lines of being consistent.
[23:48] <mealstrom> ill try to remap hdd in system to see what password there was actually stored
[23:59] <RoyK> erichammond: erm, what's wrong with the unix commandline?