[05:41] <afx> 'lo
[07:29] <Sif1> hi
[07:29] <Sif1> I need help to edit a logout.jsp.. who can help me?


[02:23] <kestaz> HP Compaq nx6325 Notebook 6-cell (55 WH) high capacity Lithium-Ion; 6-cell (43 WH) high capacity Lithium-Ion
[02:23] <kestaz> design capacity:         2777 mAh; design voltage:          10800 mV;
[02:23] <kestaz> calc: gaunam 2.7* 10.8 = 29.16Wh
[02:24] <kestaz> should be 43WH? wtf ???
[02:24] <kestaz> i am angry!!! ;)
[02:24] <kestaz> anybody ?
[02:24] <kestaz> that i need to do ?
[02:33] <kestaz> anybody ?


[11:29] <crandon> Odd_Bloke: Hi Again! So I rather recreated the issue locally. Here's the cloud-init.log: https://pastebin.com/33iVf0pb As a reminder: the ntp config from user-data not getting populated to chrony.conf
[17:22] <blackboxsw> crandon Odd_Bloke is off today. I see you are on cloud-init 18.5 I'm wondering two things, would you be able to run and paste `sudo cloud-init query userdata` be wary if you have secrets/passwords defined in your user data
[17:23] <blackboxsw> also, it may make a difference as a lot has changes since 18.5, we have a copr repo up with some rpms built from tip of upstream cloud-init master here that may assist in confirming if this a bug that has already been resolved https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/cloud-init/cloud-init-dev/
[17:23] <blackboxsw> crandon: ^
[17:23] <blackboxsw> as well
[18:45] <AnhVoMSFT> @rharper what are the potential ramifications of moving mounts to config stage?
[18:45] <AnhVoMSFT> One thing that comes to mind would be modules such as write_files won't be able to use mounts indicated in mounts unless write_files is moved to config stage as well
[18:55] <rharper> AnhVoMSFT: yeah, also, folks can mount up things like /home or whereever write_files might want to send things;
[19:03] <crandon> blackboxsw: Hi! Thanks for taking this over. I checked and the command you've sent prints out the user-data file content.
[19:07] <crandon> blackboxsw: I'm updating now cloud-init to see if the newer version behaves differently.
[19:08] <rharper> crandon: can you confirm if you have /etc/cloud/templates/chrony.conf.*.tmpl ?
[19:09] <AnhVoMSFT> actually in Ubuntu cloud images today (at least the azure ones) mounts module comes after write_files, so that point is moot anyway
[19:10] <rharper> ah, in this centos7 cloud image, I don't see 'ntp' in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[19:10] <crandon> rharper: I do, but: there's no chrony.conf.centos.tmpl (only fedora and rhel, plus some other non relevant ones)
[19:10] <rharper> ah, centos should use the rhel tmpl
[19:11] <rharper> in your paste earlier I don't see cc_ntp   ...   and your user-data has ntp: {}  at min in there?
[19:11] <crandon> Nope, there's no ntp in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[19:12] <crandon> So you're saying the ntp module is not enabled, hence the problem?
[19:12] <rharper> crandon: right, so they've left the ntp config module off by default
[19:12] <rharper> crandon: yes
[19:12] <rharper> you can manually force to run it like:  cloud-init single --name cc_ntp
[19:13] <rharper> assuming you've already supplied ntp:  {} config in your user-data;  if not, you can do it in a separate file,  cloud-init --file my_conf.cfg single --name cc_ntp;  that should run it
[19:13] <crandon> Grrr... why would one do that I wonder... I'm using a cloud image not to have to maintain an image myself. Configuring NTP is something very basic, unless of course the reason is, that they assume, that the VM will sync it's clock with the host, which then can be synced via NTP
[19:14] <crandon> This didn't alter the chrony.conf either: cloud-init single --name cc_ntp
[19:14] <rharper> AnhVoMSFT: right; wont help write files, but it does help with user homedir
[19:14] <rharper> crandon: I think I need to get you more config;  each distro may have a default policy; I though centos preferred chrony; lemme dig up the config
[19:15] <crandon> Ah wait, I updated cloud-init, but didn't reboot yet.
[19:17] <crandon> Hmm "cloud-init single --name cc_ntp" failed.
[19:17] <rharper> looks like there's a bug, chronyd.service not chrony.service
[19:18] <crandon> Yep, that seems to be the issue
[19:18] <rharper> and, if you run in a container, it may not allow you to run;
[19:18] <crandon> But now at least I can see the entries from user-data being populated to the config
[19:18] <rharper> crandon: can you file a bug on the chrony/chronyd  ?
[19:19] <crandon> Sure, but the version is still cloud-init single --name cc_ntp
[19:19] <crandon> Is it still relevant?
[19:19] <rharper> lemme check upstream; one sec
[19:20] <rharper> crandon: yeah, it's still listed as chrony for the service name
[19:21] <rharper> so, bug is relevant;
[19:21] <crandon> Ok, I'll submit a bug. I guess NTP being off by default is something I should check with the RH/CentOS guys, right?
[19:22] <rharper> well, I suspect you're getting systemd-timesyncd by default ; it's a "good enough" one-shot ntp service;
[19:23] <rharper> in this centos7 cloud image, it has systemd-timedatad.service ...   not sure if that's the same;
[19:26] <crandon> Chrony is there by default, I haven't installed it myself also it is enabled by default, while systemd-timedated is not. Regardless, either will require modifying the cloud.cfg to include ntp... Is it possible to modify cloud.cfg via cloud-init :) ?
[19:29] <crandon> The filed bugreport: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1885952
[19:31] <rharper> crandon: thanks!
[19:33] <crandon> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/virtualization_deployment_and_administration_guide/chap-kvm_guest_timing_management: "To avoid the problems described above, the Network Time Protocol (NTP) should be configured on the host and the guest virtual machines. "
[19:33] <crandon> So it seems RedHat suggests using NTP in guest eventhough: "KVM avoids these issues by providing guest virtual machines with a paravirtualized clock (kvm-clock)"
[19:35] <crandon> rharper: Well, I guess there isn't much we can do for now. I'll try to submit a bug/feature request to RH to include the NTP module by default. I wonder if they left it out because of this bug...(which would not be nice without raising the bug themselves...)
[19:37] <rharper> right, typically modern hosts and guests use kvmclock and a paravirtual interface to keep the guest clock up-to-date;  however;  ntp in the guest can help with higher resolution data and drift, https://opensource.com/article/17/6/timekeeping-linux-vms
[19:38] <rharper> crandon: I played around with getting ptp bits enabled, but never finished up that work;
[19:44] <crandon> Well, I guess for new, I'll either create a custom image with ntp enabled in cloud.cfg and the service name fixed (or systemd-timesyncd being used), or just configure chrony via ansible after deployment. I guess I'll do the later, otherwise I'll have to maintain the image for the customer, which I'd like to avoid....
[19:45] <crandon> rharper: Thanks for your and also blackboxsw' and Odd_Bloke's help!
[19:45] <rharper> crandon: yw
[19:46] <crandon> A small compliment if you allow, is that there aren't that many IRC communities around, with this level of activeness/support. Thx again.
[19:57] <rharper> crandon: =) Thank you
[20:56] <rharper> paride: cloud_tests lxd bits don't seem to work with lxd 4.0 ... I'm fighting the image export;  is this known ?


[01:14] <nhaines> pleia2: that's good to hear.  :)
[04:47] <nhaines> Ooh, this was a pleasant surprise: https://www.amazon.com/author/nathanhaines
[04:47] <darthrobot> [404] Title: [Error reading title]
[04:49] <DonkeyHotei> is that blurb taken from the book?
[04:50] <DonkeyHotei> the eerie part is it has three days of scale but not the fourth
[04:50] <nhaines> Nope!
[04:51] <nhaines> I won't be available on Thursday.
[04:51] <DonkeyHotei> exactly -- how did they know that?
[04:51]  * ianorlin plans to be available on Thursday
[04:52] <nhaines> Well, it *is* Amazon.
[04:52] <DonkeyHotei> if i end up at scale i will be there for at least 5 full days
[04:52] <DonkeyHotei> there meaning geographically there
[04:53] <nhaines> So technically it has three days of scale but not the first.
[04:54] <DonkeyHotei> yes but that's more awkward to say
[04:55] <nhaines> http://xkcd.com/1475/
[04:55] <darthrobot> Title: [xkcd: Technically]
[04:55] <ianorlin> nhaines do you have the setup times for scale booth?
[04:56] <nhaines> ianorlin: yes, I have all of that.
[04:56] <ianorlin> wasn't there some setup on Thursday?
[04:57] <DonkeyHotei> who has the banner atm?
[04:57] <nhaines> Yeah, but the dates are funny, so I'l have to email Gareth.
[04:57] <nhaines> I have the secondary banner.
[04:57] <Gareth> whats up?
[04:57] <nhaines> I swear there's four of you this year.
[04:58] <nhaines> Setup hours in the exhibitor kit looks wonky.
[04:58] <Gareth> only 3...the fourth is on vacation.
[04:58]  * Gareth looks
[04:59] <nhaines> It says Thursday 2pm-6pm, and Friday 8am to 9:30am.  But the booth doesn't open until 2pm.
[04:59] <Gareth> Ah hm. good point.
[05:00] <Gareth> Didn't update that from last year.
[05:00] <nhaines> Yay it's not just my brain being broken!  \o/
[05:01] <nhaines> Oh, since you're here, Canonical was able to determine that we won't be able to get retail phones delivered in time.  :(  So we'll just be using Nexus 4s and 5s.  And probably a Nexus 7!
[05:02] <Gareth> Too bad but still cool.  People will be able to see it in action, so that's good.
[05:03] <ianorlin> I was thinking nhaines is in charge of booth and won't be there Thursday when most of the setup is
[05:05] <DonkeyHotei> ianorlin: i'm sure other repeat volunteers will, though
[05:05] <nhaines> ianorlin: I'm going to *be* there Thursday.  Just not available which is what my Author Central page is tracking.
[05:05] <ianorlin> ah
[05:06] <DonkeyHotei> oh.
[05:06] <nhaines> So I'll be setting up everything I can Thursday night.  Hopefully we won't have much at all to do on Friday.
[05:06] <nhaines> Gareth: Do you have setup hours for Friday?  Maybe 12pm - 2pm?
[05:07] <nhaines> Gareth: Also, if it's SUPER simple to access, what booth is Apress at?  They're bringing promotional material for my upcoming book.  :)
[05:08] <Gareth> technically it can be available starting at 8am since SCALE kicks off at 10am, most SCALE staff will be around early enough to give access.  if someone wanted to be at the Hilton at 8 am :) .
[05:08] <Gareth> nhaines: one sec.
[05:08] <Gareth> nhaines: don't see them on the exhibitor list.
[05:08] <nhaines> Nobody wants to be at the Hilton at 8am.  We're all hackers.  :)  But I'll be around there anyway.  I'll write "noon" in the wiki.  ;)
[05:08] <ianorlin> I would
[05:09] <nhaines> Gareth: maybe my editor is going to be roaming around then.  That's exciting too.
[05:09] <Gareth> nhaines: noon works.  I'll send out an update to all exhibitors in a bit with the clarification, thanks for noticing that.
[05:09] <nhaines> And better because then we can have the promotional stuff at the booth.  Except I don't like talking about my own projects.  :)
[05:09] <nhaines> Gareth: fantastic, thanks.  :)
[05:09] <nhaines> And glad I caught it!
[05:10] <ianorlin> hope my power doesn't go out when I go short distance back home
[05:10] <ianorlin> which happened last year
[05:11] <nhaines> Oh, I already have 1pm Friday on the wiki.  Sticking with that.


[00:33] <Korallis> hi guys#
[00:33] <penguin42> Mornin'
[00:34] <Korallis> Mornin :-) just made the jump from windows to ubuntu so thaught id drop in and say hi to everyone. :-)
[00:34] <penguin42> it's a bit dead around this time of the morning - only madmen like me are awake at this hour :-)
[00:35]  * Korallis joins the madmen club
[00:35] <penguin42> :-)
[00:35] <penguin42> Korallis: All working OK for you?
[00:36] <Korallis> lol aye. im sat here with a vodka n coke, an os i know nothing about and im loving that i can actualy cli things :-)
[00:36] <penguin42> haha good
[00:37] <Korallis> yeah penguin42 so far, installing wine for my fix of World of Warcraft, had a small issue with samaba sharing of my other windows box but thats now fixed :-) other than that im happy ish.. although themeing could be easier. but like i said still a complete "noob" to this
[00:37] <Korallis> saying that tho i am a pc engineer (MS) so with a bit of reading and tweaking here and there im sure il pick it up
[00:38] <penguin42> I'm sure you will
[00:38] <Korallis> one thing thats driving me crazy
[00:38] <Korallis> i installed someone's theme off deviant art.
[00:38] <TheFred> Korallis, welcome :)
[00:39] <Korallis> problem i have now is text is white in some windows. how can i change the font colour accross a shell theme?
[00:39] <Korallis> Thank you TheFred :-)
[00:39] <TheFred> go to edit->profile preferences-> colours
[00:42] <Korallis> TheFred, i didnt mean in irc .. i ment accross like for example the window in ubuntu software center,
[00:42] <Korallis> the fonts are all white.
[00:42] <Korallis> and i wanna change em all to black.. :-0
[00:44] <TheFred> Korallis, ah - thats under .... right click on desktop (ctrl+left/right cursr keys to change desktop), then select change background, from there click appearence, and you should be able to hunt it down
[00:45] <TheFred> pkill idle
[00:45] <TheFred> sorry - wrong window
[00:45] <Korallis> nope.. you will never guess whats fixed it. going to universal access and setting High contrast then back to normal contrast fixed everything .. Very strange indeed. ahh well working fine now :-) thank
[00:45] <Korallis> you
[00:46] <TheFred> lol, thats good to know... never heard of that before :)
[00:46] <Korallis> lol if thats the kinda bug that happens in ubunutu im happy all win 7 / 8 bugs are system errors that really pea me off
[00:47] <Andres-kain2> korallis what do you think of the dash and hud?
[00:47] <TheFred> it does have its quirks
[00:47] <Korallis> Andres-kain2, in ubuntu or Win 8?
[00:47] <Andres-kain2> ubuntu.
[00:47] <Korallis> its Different,
[00:47] <Andres-kain2> did not know w8 used same terms.
[00:47] <Korallis> I love the transparancy of the dock bar..
[00:48] <Korallis> Andres-kain2,  win 8 is basically MS port of gnome3
[00:48] <Korallis> from what i can see.
[00:48] <Korallis> its bad as hell aswell.
[00:48] <Korallis> but in regards to ubuntu.
[00:49] <Korallis> This unity is .kinda nice, not so easy to navigate for a complete stranger or the average joe, but not too hard either the search bar helps alot.
[00:49] <Korallis> finding Newley installed programs is so easy
[00:50] <Korallis> the Dash itself. is too plain..
[00:50] <Andres-kain2> so you are a windows power user and already aware of multiple desktops, scrolling different windows without clicking and such?
[00:50] <Korallis> not enough gadgets.
[00:50] <Korallis> aye lol
[00:50] <Andres-kain2> so type windows+s
[00:51] <Korallis> windows+s?
[00:52] <Korallis> ahh
[00:52] <Andres-kain2> yeah windows button called <supr>
[00:52] <Korallis> using a mac keyboard... <
[00:52] <Korallis> but i figured it
[00:52] <Korallis> thats nifty but not my thing i prefer alt and an arrow key tbh
[00:52] <Andres-kain2> ok, whatever equivalent ;)
[00:53] <Andres-kain2> default is alt+ctrl+arrows
[00:53] <Andres-kain2> but can be changed
[00:53] <Korallis> so it is. didnt realise ctrl was been held down by my vodka lol
[00:54] <Korallis> anywyas if your after a Brand new users first impressions of ubuntu's gui
[00:54] <Korallis> its impressive the transparancy is Amazingly beautifull,
[00:54] <Andres-kain2> as well as animation of rotating cube but as a power user i doubt would like it.
[00:54] <Korallis> the search feature on the dash home is pretty nifty
[00:54] <Korallis> what
[00:54] <Korallis> animation?
[00:54] <Korallis> i like animation.
[00:55] <Korallis> and gadgets and effects.
[00:55] <Korallis> sod the cpu requirements i got 12GB DDR3 and an I7 extreme cpu. i can handle it <3
[00:55] <Andres-kain2> like floppy windows, rotating cube, burning windows when closing,...
[00:56] <Andres-kain2> requirements are low, my 4 year old netbook can do it.
[00:56] <Andres-kain2> it's called compiz for animations.
[00:57] <Andres-kain2> as for gadgets i have enough with notificatio (top right) but i have heard of conky and screenlets but not sure
[00:59] <Andres-kain2> i am a normal, home user so i thought power users were not into these "firefork" type thing.
[01:00] <Andres-kain2> compiz is cool to make terminal window (and any other) transparent for example...
[01:00] <Korallis> hmm... i may be a power user. but im a whore for effects and desktop themes lol
[01:01] <Andres-kain2> oh! one thing i really like is the headsupdisplay... basically the same as the dash (looking for apps and files) but within an app
[01:03] <Korallis> hmm right time to go "googling" and playing this conky dock bar looks Awesome and man compiz is fantastic.
[01:03] <Korallis> right on that note im gunna go to bed for tonight. and play with this tommorrow.
[01:03] <Andres-kain2> so say you are using firefox and you want to use a comand that is in some hidden menu ...instead of going through all nested menus you just alt
[01:03] <Andres-kain2> and type it
[01:03] <Korallis> Thanks again and have a good night.
[01:03] <Andres-kain2> good night
[01:03] <Andres-kain2> enjoy vodka
[01:03] <Korallis> good night mate. thanks :-)
[01:04]  * Korallis shares the vodka
[01:04] <Andres-kain2> humm that was interesting.
[01:05] <Andres-kain2> seems like windows8 is the new vista?
[01:13] <Andres-kain2> good night!

[09:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> hi brobostigon
[09:14] <brobostigon> hi MartijnVdS
[09:15]  * MartijnVdS plays some more of the new Doctor Who game (PS3)
[09:16] <brobostigon> :)
[09:16]  * brobostigon goes to get more pain killers, from his bedside table drawer.
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: hmm Not Good?
[09:18] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: my eczema, again,
[09:19] <brobostigon> two yellowish patches, which says to me, infection.
[10:38] <dogmatic69> anyone know of something like godrb that is not ruby
[10:38] <dogmatic69> (process monitor)
[10:40] <popey> dogmatic69: whats the goal?
[10:40] <dogmatic69> popey: I have a process that runs 100 times then stops, it needs to restart after that
[10:41] <dogmatic69> its a job queue to generate pdfs as needed
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: cron?
[10:42] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: ye, I was looking at making the job write a pid file and using crons
[10:42] <popey> why dos it reun a fixed number of times and then stop?
[10:42] <dogmatic69> just thought there is something more robust than my dodgy code :D
[10:42] <ali1234> upstart or systemd
[10:42] <dogmatic69> popey: well the number is configurable but it kills it self to stop mem leaks I guess
[10:43] <dogmatic69> brb
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> \o/ work-arounds
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> popey: Read this somewhere on reddit: "Of course homeopathy works. That's why we buried Bin Laden at sea... to cure terrorism."
[11:07] <popey> hah
[11:26] <directhex> monit?
[11:33] <popey> gord: ever have hard lockups on your x220? ones that even SysRq magic can't 'fix' ?
[11:35] <dogmatic69> directhex: I guess that is for me?
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1310239
[11:44] <penguin42> nice
[11:46] <dogmatic69> https://img.skitch.com/20120609-b7g6gibhc7a83kjitxbdgkautj.png
[11:46] <dogmatic69> well that changes things
[11:59] <Korallis> Mornin'
[12:01] <dogmatic69> o/
[12:01] <Korallis> hey
[12:03] <Korallis> brb
[12:12] <Korallis> one happy camper, brand new to linux and everything works out the box, intsalling World of Warcraft, and now i think il remove the windows partition. good job :-)
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> yay
[12:59] <Korallis> yay is a little random lol
[13:00] <brobostigon> \o/
[13:00] <Korallis> o/
[13:00] <MartijnVdS> *\o/* ?
[13:01] <Korallis> well we are chatty lot arn't we :-)
[13:02] <penguin42> shhh they're asleep
[13:02] <Korallis> asleep. its 2pm lol.
[13:02] <Korallis> Anyone tried Diablo 3 on wine yet?
[13:10] <kvarley> Korallis: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=25953
[13:10] <kvarley> Korallis: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5594218401
[13:10] <kvarley> Korallis: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-Diablo-3-on-Linux-273950.shtml
[13:12] <Korallis> kvarley, thank you :-)
[13:12] <Korallis> well its official im fully ubuntu now. deleted all traces of windows partitions and reinstalled ubuntu with proper linux partitions <3
[13:12] <kvarley> Korallis: Np, the last way (softpedia) is probably the easiest. PlayOnLinux will give you a graphical installer and setup everything for you =]
[13:12] <kvarley> Korallis: =]
[13:13] <Korallis> kvarley, wanna avoid POL if i can. rather do it the normal way, i got wow working fine so D3 should be easy :-)
[13:13] <kvarley> Korallis: Ok =]
[13:14] <Korallis> kvarley, i wanna start using Terminal more. i love cli.. it makes me feel smart and teaches me something lol.
[13:14] <kvarley> Korallis: I went through a year or so thinking it was annoying...Then I realised it's power lol
[13:15] <Korallis> as a windows poweruser , im  sick of clicking things and it not working, its soo much faster using cli, moving stuff copyin stuff etc.. is just way faster.
[15:16] <Korallis> configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries. How do i Do this? any help :P?
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> Korallis: what are you trying to buid?
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> build*
[15:17] <Korallis> apt-get source wine1.4 :-)
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> why source?
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> why not "install"? :)
[15:18] <Korallis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11677311&postcount=12
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> anyway, what you want is 'apt-get build-dep' :)
[15:18] <Korallis> i did that.
[15:18] <penguin42> building the wine package I seem to remember is not fun
[15:18] <Korallis> sudo apt-get build-dep wine1.3 which pulls down 1.4 (from ppa )
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> I have 1.4..
[15:18] <Korallis> but upon ./configure gives that error.
[15:19] <Korallis> or when i run make
[15:19] <Korallis> can't remeber
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> yes but 1.4 is packaged and binary
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> so you don't need to compile it yourself
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> ah
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> a GL patch :)
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[15:19] <Korallis> this is a patched version
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> Korallis: then you want to build it as a package
[15:19] <Korallis> to allow multi core cpu in wow for better fps. instead of 20
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> try "debuild"
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> or "dpkg-buildpackage -b"
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> instead of 'configure'
[15:19] <Korallis> so i just run that command?
[15:19] <Korallis> ok hold on
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> inside the wine-source directory (where you also run "./configure")
[15:20] <Korallis> its doing something.
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> it uses the packaging tools to build custom packages
[15:21] <Korallis> so this is building the patcakge.
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> they'll end up one level higher -- cd ..
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> then "ls" to see which .deb files were created
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> dpkg -i file.deb to install
[15:21] <Korallis> as long as this installs patched 1.4 i dont mind :P
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> you might have to perform some tricks to keep the custom version installed through upgrades
[15:23] <Korallis> why is it such a pain just because i have more than 4gb ram i need a 64 bit.
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> (and undo that trick when you later on upgrade to a new version of Ubuntu)
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> nah, 64-bit is better all-round :)
[15:24] <Korallis> ul be here to talk me through it . lol
[15:25] <Korallis> how long does this bloody take.
[15:26] <Korallis> quad core cpu and 12GB ram it should compile a small program like wine in just a few mins. surely
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> "small program" like wine? :)
[15:26] <Korallis> yeah it didn't look very big.
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> It's a translation layer for Windows programs, with lots of Windows bits replaced (because otherwise the programs wouldn't work)
[15:27] <penguin42> wine is huge - also you mgiht need to set some flags for it to do a build in parallel
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: no idea how to do that with debuild
[15:27] <penguin42> setting DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=10    sometimes helps - but not for all packages
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[15:27] <Korallis> its a bit late now. its arleady spammin my screen with tons of junk
[15:28] <MartijnVdS> Nah, that's just the commands it's executing so you don't have to do it all manually :P
[15:28] <MartijnVdS> it's telling you how nice it's being to you ;)
[15:30] <Korallis> no its just spamming me with stuff i don't understand in a launguage thats hard to read. lol
[15:31] <penguin42> Korallis: Just ignore it unless something breaks - then the last few lines of it are what helps you find out why it broke
[15:31] <daubers> Afternoon
[15:33] <ahayzen> Hi .... was just scanning through askubuntu and noticed this question... http://askubuntu.com/questions/148977/decreasing-boot-time-on-ubuntu-12-04 ....they stated that they have a delay after 'firewire_core' in the startup. So i looked in my dmesg and noticed that there was a 10 second gap between 'firewire_core' starting and the next item. Is this normal? is it doing other stuff in the background and not logging? Th
[15:34] <Korallis> penguin42, i take it your a guru at this linux stuff then :)
[15:38] <penguin42> Korallis: Well, some bits more than others - I've been using it for about 18 years now, but stuff changes so some bits I don't know as well
[15:39] <Korallis> 18 years... lol i was just about mastering DOS and windows 98SE back then
[15:39] <Korallis> or 95
[15:40] <Korallis> yeah windows 95 and Dos command line lol
[15:40] <penguin42> yeh got my 1st Linux box in '94
[15:40] <Korallis> at 10 years old
[15:40] <Korallis> i wish to god id of known about linux at 10. id of learned so much more than i did messing around in a dos prompt window lol
[15:41] <dogmatic69> ahayzen: it did not bother you till you read that? :P
[15:41] <dogmatic69> If you want a faster boot, buy SSD
[15:42] <ahayzen> well the boot performance isn't really that bad
[15:42] <dogmatic69> I am running a Q6600 with SSD and I am using apps within 30 seconds
[15:42] <ahayzen> i was just wondering why there is a massive gap...
[15:42] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Well, you've got to be careful - it's sometimes worth working out why boot times are slow, they can be simple easy to fix stuff once you know they are there
[15:43] <penguin42> boot/start
[15:43] <ahayzen> well i'm on a Duo core without a SSD and i boot in ~20 secs to lighdm
[15:44] <ahayzen> back to my question (and someone else's on askubuntu) why is there such a gap in dmesg?
[15:46] <penguin42> ahayzen: it's not necessarily the firewire - it could be the ethernet or something else it's waiting for; you could try using bootchart to see what's going on during that time
[15:46] <jacobw> german is difficult
[15:46] <penguin42> jacobw: That's what google translate is for
[15:46] <Korallis> penguin42, aprox how long is dkpg gunna take to sort this wine out..
[15:47] <jacobw> unfortunately, i need actually speak to people in german
[15:47] <penguin42> Korallis: I can't remember since last time I did it - it was a while ago, it's quite a slow build for wine, it's a horrible package
[15:47] <penguin42> jacobw: Really? All the Germans I've dealt with know English
[15:47] <Korallis> i just wanna play wow at a decent frame rate  :\
[15:48] <jacobw> ich brauchen besiedeln spreche
[15:48] <jacobw> something :|
[15:48] <jacobw> yes, somebody told me once that most germans speak english
[15:48] <penguin42> Korallis: If it's such a common one I'm surprised there isn't a PPA for it
[15:48] <jacobw> this is not true
[15:48] <penguin42> jacobw: Perhaps it's just the ones I work with
[15:49] <Korallis> im not sure about the whole ppa thing i was just trying to follow a guide.
[15:49] <Korallis> were something went wrong.
[15:49] <jacobw> people who've self selected to work with english speakers?
[15:49] <jacobw> :)
[15:49] <Korallis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11677311&postcount=12
[15:49] <penguin42> Korallis: PPAs are where someone makes the patches and throws it to a system at Ubuntu that builds it all for you and spits out a set of packages you can easily add
[15:50] <Korallis> ahh the guide had a ppa.
[15:51] <Korallis> but had to sort of download some source then patch it then make it.
[15:51] <Korallis> but it failed with needed 32 bit libs then someone said do a dkpg thing or something. lol
[15:51] <penguin42> Korallis: If I was trying to build my first package I wouldn't use wine as the starting point - it's horrible!
[15:52] <Korallis> yeah but unfortunatly its something i need
[15:52] <jacobw> dpkg-build
[15:53]  * jacobw would not start with wine either
[15:53] <Korallis> its taking ages...
[15:54] <jacobw> what problem brought you to this point?
[15:54] <Korallis> following the guide.
[15:54] <Korallis> then it said it can't make it cus it needed 32 bit lib files or something.
[15:55] <Korallis> so someone told me to do dkpg-debuild or something like that.
[15:55] <jacobw> i think patching and compiling wine is not a solution for most probable problems
[15:56] <Korallis> all the patch does is lets wow read multi core cpu's appartently.
[15:56] <jacobw> i see
[15:59] <penguin42> Korallis: I think it might be worth you try the wine1.5 version out of that ppa - it's newer than that forum post and if you're really lucky (*) then it might already be fixed in that    (* although given that you're rebuilding wine that's not a good sign of luck)
[15:59] <jacobw> are you at the 'make' stage?
[15:59] <Korallis> yeah jacobw it just started
[16:00] <Korallis> il test this 1st and f that dont work il try wine 1.5
[16:00] <jacobw> try wine1.5 first
[16:01] <Korallis> can i even do that while this build thing is doing what its doing?
[16:01] <jacobw> yeah
[16:02] <Korallis> oh it finished.
[16:02] <Korallis> so how do i do this wine 1.5 thing?
[16:04] <penguin42> if you've got that wine ppa in then just installing the wine1.5 package might do it
[16:04] <jacobw> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa
[16:04] <jacobw> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:05] <jacobw> wine --version
[16:06] <jacobw> ubuntu should not include 'add-apt-respository' and 'apt-add-repository', it's just confusing :(
[16:07] <Korallis> doing the above pulled in wine 1.4
[16:07] <Korallis> wine 1.4.4
[16:07] <Korallis> wine1.4-1.4 rather
[16:07] <penguin42> curious
[16:08] <jacobw> ah, each version is packaged seperately
[16:08] <penguin42> Korallis: OK, now do apt-get install wine1.5
[16:08] <jacobw> sudo apt-get install wine1.5
[16:08] <jacobw> :)
[16:09] <Korallis> isntallin now :)
[16:09] <Korallis> will this update 1.4?
[16:09] <Korallis> or just add another one?
[16:09] <penguin42> not sure
[16:10] <jacobw> add another one and update references
[16:10] <Korallis> lol you make it sound easy.
[16:10]  * jacobw → food
[16:11] <Korallis> wine --version now shows wine 1.5.5
[16:12] <penguin42> good; is it any better?
[16:12] <Korallis> testin in 2 secs
[16:15] <Korallis> fixme:process:GetLogicalProcessorInformation (0x53ae340,0x53ae940): stub
[16:15] <Korallis> fixme:process:GetLogicalProcessorInformation (0x53ae340,0x53ae940): stub
[16:15] <Korallis> same thing and only 30fps.. exactly the same performance.
[16:16] <penguin42> hmm oh well, worth a try - maybe worth waiting
[16:16] <penguin42> Korallis: Is it exactly 30fps ?
[16:16] <Korallis>  no fluctuates 25 / 30 fps
[16:16] <penguin42> ah ok
[16:24] <Korallis> knowing  how to fix that fixme:process:GetLogicalProcessorInformation (0x53ae340,0x53ae940): stub
[16:24] <Korallis> fixme:process:GetLogicalProcessorInformation (0x53ae340,0x53ae940): stub would really help
[16:25] <penguin42> are you sure that's really you're problem?  But that sounds like a bit of the innards of wine
[16:26] <Korallis> yeah im guessin thats it.
[16:26] <Korallis> as that would indicate it cant tell its a multi core cpu
[16:26] <penguin42> best ask on one of the wine lists then
[16:27] <penguin42> Korallis:  possible, but it might be only about telling it's hyperthreaded
[16:28] <Korallis> penguin42, didn't think about that.
[16:28] <Korallis> LMFAO
[16:28] <Korallis> i love google
[16:28] <Korallis> Since you need a 64bit program to access multiple cores <<<<
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> you don't
[16:28] <Korallis>  now im litterly laughing
[16:28] <penguin42> why?!
[16:29] <Korallis> MartijnVdS, thats the point.
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> Korallis: uhr, no
[16:29] <Korallis> MartijnVdS, yes lol the fact that that statement is very not true is the point.
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> the point is faster access to more memory :)
[16:29] <Korallis> hense the reason i put LoL 1st.
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> and some calculations on huge numbers
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> ah ok
[16:30] <Korallis> 64bit is purely memory based as far as i am aware.
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> Korallis: 64-bit maths too (CPU instruction set)
[16:33] <Korallis> :O wine crashed.
[16:33] <shauno> I kinda wonder if 64bit would have any speed advantages routing ipv6
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> shauno: possibly.. time for science!
[16:35] <shauno> it seems a bit theoretical, but I'd imagine comparing a /48 against a given bitmask would take a lot less instructions if they fit in one register each
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> "Even though at the time the IPv6 specifications were written 64-bit CPUs were rare, the IPv6 designers elected to optimize the IPv6 header for 64-bit processing. "
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> according to Cisco
[16:36] <shauno> sweet.  so I'm not crazy
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that's not implied by this :P
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> you could still be crazy
[16:37] <penguin42> shauno: Well, a more interesting question is whether you can use 128bit vector ops
[16:38] <shauno> I'd hope you wouldn't need them, unless people really were evil enough to assign /128's
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> Current recommendation is somewhere between /48 and /60 I think?
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> my employer/isp gives customers /48s
[16:39] <penguin42> shauno: If you were working with 128 bit registers perhaps it wouldn't matter
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> (all new customers -- current customers have to enable it manually for now.. but we'll be fixing that soon!)
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> See us enable IPv6 for FttH customers: http://www.ams-ix.net/cgi-bin/stats/sflow_grapher?type=ipv6&scale=normal&counter=bps&interval=weekly
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> (that's mostly us -- on "IPv6 day")
[16:41] <brobostigon> :)
[16:41] <shauno> chorus's answer was less optimistic.  they assure me they're heard of ipv6, basically
[16:41] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: What % of the traffic from users is ending up on IPv6 ?
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: no idea actually :)
[16:41] <penguin42> shauno: That's more than Demon's answer
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: but Google, Youtube, Facebook
[16:42] <penguin42> shauno: 'IPv6' what's that?
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: at least
[16:42] <gebbione> is there anything i can use to mount .cue .bin files?
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> gebbione: use 'bchunk' to make the bin into a .iso
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> gebbione: http://goinggnu.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/howto-mount-bincue-files-in-linux/
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> uh
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> wait
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> gebbione: http://maketecheasier.com/mount-iso-bin-and-cue-files-from-nautilus/2009/05/23 -- even easier!
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> fuseiso
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManageDiscImages#CUE.2BAC8-BIN_Images
[16:47] <gebbione> MartijnVdS, the sh supposed to be downloaded in that page does not exist anymore
[16:47] <gebbione> going to watch italy playing
[16:49] <bigcalm> How does ones get the UDID of an iPhone/iPod/iPad without having Windows or Mac?
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> UDID?
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: there are some "idevice" tools
[16:49] <bigcalm> Unique Device ID, I assume
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> libimobiledevice-utils ?
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> /usr/share/man/man1/idevice_id.1.gz
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> looks like that would do it :)
[16:50] <bigcalm> Plugging this iPad into my machine causes something to do with iPhone to crash in Ubuntu :D
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> they look mostly the same to Ubuntu :)
[16:52] <bigcalm> Maybe I'll reboot to GameOS so that I can play some Portal 2. While I'm there, use iTunes to get the UDID
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: idevice_id doesn't work?
[17:02] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: didn't stop to check. I'm in GameOS now any way :)
[17:13] <popey> bigcalm: there's apps you can install to do it
[17:13] <popey> one is called UDID+ ☺
[17:13] <popey> (an iOS app on the device itself)
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> is that allowed by apple now?
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> I thought they disabled access to it from ios apps
[17:17]  * popey shrugs
[17:17] <popey> i have one on mine
[17:20]  * MartijnVdS watches the F1
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> This one isn't on BBC :(
[17:21] <bigcalm> popey: bought an iPad2. I don't think I've ever felt so indifferent about a new toy
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> ♥ Android tablet
[17:21] <bigcalm> Yeah, I enjoy using my Xoom :)
[17:21] <s-fox> anyone here use identi.ca ?
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> that still exists?1
[17:22] <bigcalm> That's still a thing?
[17:22] <bigcalm> Heh
[17:22] <s-fox> it is built into gwibber, yes.
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ^5
[17:22] <popey> you're holding it wrong
[17:23] <bigcalm> popey: should I have bought iHappyness as well?
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: iKoolaid
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: (but that ran out after Steve Jobs died)
[17:26] <diddledan> steve didn't die.. he ascended
[17:27] <diddledan> :-p
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: that was Steve Irwin
[17:27] <diddledan> lol
[17:58]  * jacobw is also watching F1
[17:58] <jacobw> f1 > apple
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> No BBC coverage :(
[18:01] <diddledan> BBC has it at 10:30
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> yeah, "highlights"
[18:01]  * MartijnVdS watches the Dutch coverage instead
[18:01] <diddledan> yeah, sucks
[18:04]  * jacobw is watching rtl hd
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: RTL7 HD
[18:05] <jacobw> that's right
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> you're in the Nether Lands?
[18:06]  * jacobw is in bavaria
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> "Almost" then :)
[18:07] <jacobw> actually further from the netherlands than london
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> Yes.. hmm
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> I was never a geography whiz :)
[18:09] <jacobw> i'm not a geography whiz, this week i learnt that poland is not the left of germany, but to the right :)
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: yes, that's the Netherlands 8-)
[18:09] <jacobw> i think saying left and right confirms my lack of geographical knowledge :p
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: I always have to think which one is which (left/right)
[18:10] <diddledan> looking at germany from England it's to the left :-p
[18:10] <jacobw> yeah, that's kind of the problem
[18:10] <jacobw> n/e/s/w
[18:10] <diddledan> never eat shredded wheat
[18:11] <justso> no ears sees well
[18:11] <shauno> haven't been paying attention; how much longer does this football stuff last?
[18:12] <jacobw> once i start thinking about lattitude and longitude and the surface of a sphere it all makes sense
[18:12] <diddledan> it's only just started afaik
[18:12] <diddledan> -_-
[18:12] <jacobw> but the boundaries between countries and the names of oceans are arbitrary
[18:12] <shauno> also, o/ dan.  Although I guess finding you here isn't much of a coincidence :p
[18:12] <diddledan> latitudes and longitudes make my brian hurt
[18:13] <diddledan> o/ shauno
[18:13] <jacobw> i like math
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> equator = 0 (+90 = pole, -90 = pole), greenwich = 0 (-180 pacific via US, +180 pacific via EUrope/Asia)
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> it's not hard :)
[18:15] <jacobw> 'longitude' is an interesting book written by 'dara sobel'
[18:15] <jacobw> similar to 'fermat's last theorem' by 'simon singh'
[18:16] <shauno> you have an odd number of quote marks.  that hurts my brain.
[18:16] <diddledan> lol
[18:17]  * jacobw pats shauno
[18:33] <Korallis> dd if=/home/lee/tester.iso of=/dev/sdb
[18:33] <Korallis> oh ffs wrong window. sorry
[18:34] <_2E0BXQ> lol
[18:34] <_2E0BXQ> highlighted me though >.>
[18:34] <Korallis> why would that highlight you?
[18:34] <Korallis> that makes no sense at all lol
[18:35] <diddledan> probably the use of /dev/sdb - folk are weird round these parts
[18:35] <Korallis> strange..
[18:36] <diddledan> I'm going to guarantee it isn't anything to do with the name "lee"
[18:36] <Korallis> lol
[18:36] <_2E0BXQ> >.>
[18:36] <Korallis> so who does it flag if do /dev/sda
[18:36] <Korallis> :P
[18:36]  * _2E0BXQ happens to be a Lee :o
[18:36] <diddledan> :-p
[18:36]  * Korallis is also a lee obviously ^^
[18:37] <_2E0BXQ> but yes, actually is due to /dev/
[18:37] <_2E0BXQ> namely because I also go by /dev/null
[18:37] <Korallis> ahhhh
[18:37] <diddledan> lol
[18:37] <Korallis> networking fails in windows.
[18:37] <_2E0BXQ> Korallis: you're also a Lee who is a BT customer too :P
[18:38] <Korallis> Moving files across a network via 2 ethernets no longer than 5 meters and both wired into a bt home hub and yet the transfer rate s only 5.9mb/s :\
[18:38] <Korallis> _2E0BXQ, lol yup were abouts you from?
[18:38] <_2E0BXQ> Southampton, Hampshire
[18:38] <_2E0BXQ> you?
[18:39] <Korallis> Birmingham atm
[18:39] <_2E0BXQ> ah, cool
[18:39] <Korallis> not really .. trust me on that one.
[18:39] <Korallis> this city is a shit hole.
[18:39] <_2E0BXQ> I've only ever been through
[18:39] <diddledan> I'm from the best place ever - amazingstoke
[18:39] <_2E0BXQ> diddledan: a bit north of me then :P
[18:39] <diddledan> yups :-D
[18:39] <Korallis> im actually from Manchester which is the best place ever.
[18:39] <_2E0BXQ> Korallis: I love Manchester :P
[18:39] <Korallis> so do i.
[18:40] <Korallis> i miss it lol
[18:40] <_2E0BXQ> I have a fair few friends up there
[18:40] <penguin42> Korallis: Agreed - well, when it doesn't rain on us
[18:40] <_2E0BXQ> one who happens to be from Wolves
[18:40] <diddledan> yeah, but the name doesn't work as amazingchester
[18:40] <Korallis> lol trie diddledan
[18:40] <penguin42> mind you, I got soaked in Brum the other day
[18:40] <Korallis> true*
[18:41] <Korallis> penguin42, you were in brum the other day?
[18:41] <diddledan> although chester itself would work as amazingchester
[18:41] <_2E0BXQ> indeed
[18:41] <penguin42> Korallis: about a week and a half ago - it did a HUGE down pour, mostly onto me about 5pm
[18:41] <Korallis> penguin42, yeah i remember that i was Drenched when i walked through the door hah.
[18:42] <diddledan> bah, 12.04 broke vmware's vmnet compiler
[18:42] <Korallis> i need to switch the nics in the 2 pc's for 100/1000's and do a direct crossover connection, this transfer rate is stupidly slow i can write to usb faster ....
[18:43] <Korallis> im slowley falling out with ubuntu 12.04
[18:43] <_2E0BXQ> I get about 500kb/s across my gigabit network sections
[18:44] <_2E0BXQ> I used to get more tranfer rate across my old sound-card IP network :/
[18:44] <_2E0BXQ> er transfer
[18:44] <Korallis> im on 6600kb/s atm which is way to slow..
[18:44] <Korallis> might use Cat 6 cables :)
[18:44] <_2E0BXQ> STP or UTP?
[18:45] <Korallis> not sure
[18:45] <penguin42> Korallis: Very unlikely to be STP/UTP/CAT5/6 issues unless you've got like 100m cable
[18:45] <diddledan> I really need to replace some of my 12year-old cat5 cables
[18:46] <Korallis> its not an issue just rather slow transfer rate. im used to 20MB/s - 40MB/s transfer rates at work lol
[18:46] <Korallis> 6.9MB/s is just slow..
[18:46] <Korallis> specialy for 16gig of stuff
[18:47] <penguin42> Korallis: Are the links up at 100mbps or gig?
[18:47] <Korallis> at work. or home home there standard 100mbps
[18:47] <penguin42> and are you saying you're getting 6Mbit/s or 6MByte ?
[18:48] <penguin42> (and what are you using to copy)
[18:48] <Korallis> penguin42, its fine. its standard speed for a local connection 6800kb/s ie. close to 10mb
[18:48] <Korallis> im just used to alot faster ::-)
[18:49]  * penguin42 expects to be able to flatten his network connection between his machines
[18:49] <_2E0BXQ> penguin42: I only use STP in my network because I do a lot of RF work, and it just adds an extra layer of shielding to keep the RF out of the networking side of things
[18:51] <s-fox> Ireland are already 1-0 down :/
[18:51] <Korallis> think im gunna steal some cat6 cables a switch / router and 2 x 100/1000 cards from work ::-)
[18:51] <penguin42> _2E0BXQ: Oh yeh I guessed from you're nick
[18:51] <penguin42> your
[18:52] <_2E0BXQ> :)
[18:54] <Korallis> brb
[19:34] <gebbione> how do you import a config to nact?
[19:34] <jacobw> nact?
[19:34] <gebbione> nautilus configuration list
[21:16] <brobostigon> is there a way, or in a more automated way, like with wordpress, to upgrade drupal core.?
[21:27] <diddledan> brobostigon, there's aegir and drush, but aegir takes over the entire server
[21:27] <brobostigon> diddledan: ah, let me lok them up, thank you.
[21:28] <diddledan> drush is the "drupal shell"
[21:29] <brobostigon> interesting idea.
[21:33] <brobostigon> !info drush lucid
[21:41] <brobostigon> diddledan: drush looks interesting.
[21:43] <diddledan> I really should look at drupal again - I'm using a slew of commercial plugins on wordpress atm
[21:43] <directhex> wordpress is just so user-friendly though
[21:43] <diddledan> indeed
[21:45] <diddledan> drupal is awesomely configurable in contrast
[22:27] <gebbione> mhhh i just mounted an iso and all the files in it are owned by 503, any idea what i can do to run these files? I cannot access them with my user
[22:28] <gebbione> mhhh i just mounted an iso and all the files in it are owned by 503, any idea what i can do to run these files? I cannot access them with my user
[22:43] <dogmatic69> gebbione: what group are they?
[22:43] <dogmatic69> you can add yourself to the group
[22:44] <dogmatic69> or sudo su and root it
[22:46] <gebbione> i just copied it all and chowned
[22:46] <gebbione> still not running fine in wine, trying to install a win program
[22:46] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:46] <dogmatic69> gn
[22:46] <brobostigon> good night diddledan
[22:46] <brobostigon> good night dogmatic69
[22:46] <diddledan> nn
[22:58] <diddledan> bah @ bbc losing audio
[22:58] <diddledan> that is unless I broke my playback