[06:33] <user|10368> hello Anyone out there who can help with hardware support of kubuntu?
[06:34] <user|10368> netbook: hp pavillion x2 detachable.
[06:35] <user|10368> no sound. (no soundcard recognized))
[08:01] <To24> Hi, like someone said, Okular is not by default in Kubuntu 16.10.
[08:02] <To24> Are we supposed to install it or to use other program?
[09:41] <To24> In Kubuntu-devel: acheronuk has said that, in Kubuntu 16.10, "Okular was removed from the iso due to causing kde4 dependency problems when building that. go ahead and install it :)"
[09:42] <acheronuk> yep http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.yakkety/revision/1344
[09:46] <To24> Thank you, acheronuk, the user "dsealius" asked that previously in this channel
[09:47] <To24> He wrote "why okular is not installed by default on 16.10 release ?
[09:47] <To24> it launches libre office instead"
[09:49] <user|40204> Hi
[09:50] <user|40204> What are the hardware requirements for Kubuntu 16.10?
[10:18] <mparillo> It can run on a netbook with 1GB, but if you do anything more than light web surfing and document editing, you will not be happy on it.
[10:50] <fml> mparillo: even document editing and web surfing is impossible
[10:51] <fml> 2GB and bigger ammount for x64, as reality shows
[10:51] <user|69240> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[10:51] <user|69240> [19.324447] br ms Mac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[10:53] <fml> idk what happen, but i'm sitting on kubuntu since 14.04, than upgraded to 15.04, to 16.04, an then 16.10
[10:53] <fml> and everythink is ok
[10:54] <fml> i always upgrade os from terminal
[10:56] <user|69240> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[10:58] <user|69240> These are the messages. Then do ctrl + High + f2 and opens the login terminal
[11:03] <user|69240> [19.324581]  brcmsmac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[11:03] <user|69240> These are the messages. Then do ctrl + High + f2 and opens the login terminal
[11:05] <user|69240> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[11:05] <user|69240> [19.324447] brmsmac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[11:05] <user|69240> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[11:19] <Jakelinux> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[11:19] <Jakelinux> [19.324447] brmsmac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[11:19] <Jakelinux> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[11:20] <kingwill101> hey, so i installed kubuntu-desktop under ubuntu and everything installs fine but when i login everything is black except for some text mainly on desktop and taskbar http://imgur.com/a/mB2ut
[11:32] <vadim> hi all
[11:33] <vadim> how to upgrade from kubuntu 16.04(.1) to 16.10?
[11:33] <Jakelinux> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[11:33] <Jakelinux> [19.324447] brmsmac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[11:33] <Jakelinux> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[11:47] <Jakelinux> Help
[11:49] <mparillo> !ask
[11:50] <vadim> how to upgrade from kubuntu 16.04(.1) to 16.10?
[11:53] <Jakelinux> 16.04
[11:54] <Jakelinux> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[11:54] <Jakelinux> [19.324447] brmsmac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[11:54] <Jakelinux> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[11:56] <Ashareth> it's a problem with power saving not working properly, so it probably mess with the graphic card
[11:56] <Ashareth> (ie : not getting out of power saving mode or something like that)
[11:57] <Ashareth> except that bcma is for broadcom hardware
[11:57] <Ashareth> if i recall well, so it should be a wifi/network card or something
[11:57] <Ashareth> but first try to update the graphic drivers in command line
[11:57] <Ashareth> might solve the black screen problem
[11:58] <Jakelinux> What command?
[11:59] <Ashareth> depends what drivers you use (if it's proprietary ones from nvidia/amd or not)
[12:01] <Ashareth> on 14.04 and above the tool allowing that is ubuntu-drivers from memory
[12:01] <Ashareth> (should look like "ubuntu-drivers list" to list the drivers available
[12:02] <Jakelinux> ATI Mobility Radeon HD 6550
[12:02] <Ashareth> devices will gives you a list of hardware matched with the name of the driver
[12:05] <Jakelinux> I will give food to my daughter. I'll be right back.
[12:12] <Jakelinux> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[12:12] <Jakelinux> [19.324447] brmsmac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[12:12] <Jakelinux> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[12:15] <Jakelinux> Help me!
[12:16] <kingwill101> hey, so i installed kubuntu-desktop under ubuntu and everything installs fine but when i login everything is black except for some text mainly on desktop and taskbar http://imgur.com/a/mB2ut
[12:21] <user|20999> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[12:21] <user|20999> [19.324447] brmsmac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[12:21] <user|20999> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[12:23] <user|20999> Sorry inputs and outputs. I am writing an android tablet.
[12:24] <user|20999> I am from Brazil.
[12:27] <user|20999> Help me!
[12:28] <soee> !ask | user|20999
[12:28] <soee> user|20999: what is the problem ?
[12:29] <user|20999> My problem this:
[12:29] <user|20999> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[12:29] <user|20999> [19.324447] br ms Mac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[12:30] <soee> this is something related to network manager ?
[12:30] <user|20999> [19.324447] br ms Mac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[12:31] <soee> have you read maybe this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=159929
[12:32] <user|20999> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[12:32] <soee> maybe you are missing some driver, i never had such problem :/
[12:32] <soee> user|20999: you are using wifi on that machine ?
[12:33] <soee> ...
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:22] <goodtime> havin trouble
[15:25] <goodtime>  i got big problems with my updates
[15:25] <goodtime> failed to apply
[15:26]  * hippybear brushes off the couch
[15:26] <hippybear> here tell us all about it
[15:26] <hippybear> Whats the issue?
[15:26] <goodtime> hang on
[15:28] <goodtime> tzdata (2016g-0ubuntu. 16.04)
[15:28] <goodtime> failed to apply
[15:28] <goodtime> then it just stops there and dosent finish the rest of the updates
[15:28] <hippybear> are you in terminal?
[15:28] <goodtime> yes
[15:29] <goodtime> i used sudo bash
[15:29] <hippybear> aight one sec
[15:29] <goodtime> perhaps thats the issue
[15:29] <hippybear> let me check mine, it just updated tzdata
[15:30] <goodtime> i think it has something todo with the time zone
[15:30] <hippybear> apt-get install tzdata
[15:30] <goodtime> ok
[15:30] <hippybear> yeah thats the tz data
[15:30] <hippybear> :P
[15:30] <hippybear> is there an error when you put it in?
[15:32] <goodtime> well that did it
[15:32] <goodtime> ty hippybear
[15:32] <goodtime> :)
[15:33] <hippybear> no problem
[15:34] <goodtime> bbl and ty again hippybear
[15:41] <cablop> heelo, dudes
[15:41] <cablop> *hello
[15:42] <cablop> i want to know what is the recommenden input to write chinese in KUbuntu 16.04
[15:42] <cablop> ibus?
[15:45] <steve-_-2> hi team, I find it somewhat difficult to follow the install instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[15:46] <steve-_-2> the section "Upgrading from 16.04" is really hard to follow and imo giving the user "or" instructions isn't a great policy
[15:46] <steve-_-2> also some steps and precise instructions are missing
[15:46] <steve-_-2> maybe obvious for linux geeks for new users imo frustrating to follow
[15:50] <hippybear> cablop: I have never written chinese so not sure
[15:51] <buovjaga> yes, would be good to get numbered steps
[15:51] <BluesKaj> steve-_-2, which method are you using to upgrade
[15:52] <steve-_-2> BluesKaj: um system updates I guess the dialog is called. so I set it up in "discover"
[15:52] <hippybear> system upgrades shouldnt require linux geek cred
[15:52] <steve-_-2> it#s working all fine, just that I think the wiki instructions are highly confusing
[15:52] <hippybear> its a simple 3 command deal in terminal
[15:52] <hippybear> Either open Muon upgrade app, or run in terminal
[15:52] <hippybear> thats kinda the linux way
[15:53] <steve-_-2> hippybear: yeah there are users that don't live in the command line. also I referenced already I am not referring to the right section (CLI) but to the left section in the wiki
[15:53] <hippybear> eclipse, click the icon or type 'eclipse' in terminal
[15:53] <BluesKaj> steve-_-2, in your update manager change the LIS only update to normal
[15:54] <hippybear> you dont need to live in a command line to upgrade your system
[15:54] <hippybear> youre making it more difficult than it is
[15:54] <hippybear> this isnt windows
[15:54] <buovjaga> BluesKaj: he is trying to help you improve the wiki :) we need someone with edit rights
[15:54] <hippybear> lol
[15:54] <hippybear> imo that is a non issue
[15:55] <hippybear> if you cant do A, then do B
[15:55] <steve-_-2> hippybear: good for you. but you didn't even read what the problem is
[15:55] <hippybear> \0/
[15:55] <steve-_-2> the update is working
[15:55] <steve-_-2> all setup here
[15:55] <hippybear> I did read
[15:55] <hippybear> you make asinine assumptions
[15:55] <buovjaga> the problem is the wiki
[15:55] <steve-_-2> so why direct me to the terminal?
[15:55] <hippybear> I didnt, I was more just making comments. I dont know why you think I was talking to you
[15:55] <hippybear> did I say steve-_-2?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> buovjaga, the wiki is very straight forward ...we;re here to help those who don't understand the nomenclature
[15:56] <hippybear> ^
[15:56] <buovjaga> BluesKaj: it is not straightforward enough :) otherwise steve wouldn't be here suggesting improvements
[15:56] <hippybear> before muon updater you had people in here who would never be able to update
[15:56] <hippybear> lol
[15:56] <buovjaga> you need enumerated steps, like in a bug report
[15:56] <hippybear> lol
[15:56] <steve-_-2> lol lol lol not helpful.
[15:56] <BluesKaj> buovjaga, well, that's what we're here for ...do you understand?
[15:57] <steve-_-2> sure and that's appreciated
[15:57] <buovjaga> BluesKaj: yes
[15:57] <hippybear> step 1, click the thing, step 2 click the upgrade button, step 3 wait
[15:57] <steve-_-2> so let's rephrase: do you think the wiki steps on the left section are consistent and clear?
[15:59] <goodtime> hi BluesKaj
[16:02] <BluesKaj> well we don't edit the wiki here , steve-_-2 , you may want to expalin your displeasure with it in #kubuntu-devel
[16:02] <steve-_-2> BluesKaj: thx buovjaga just did that
[16:03] <BluesKaj> ok ..BBL ...editing my music files for the next 30mins or so
[16:04] <steve-_-2> BluesKaj: have fun
[16:11] <acheronuk> just having a look at the wiki now
[16:19] <steve-_-2> so updated but no the vm no longer boots
[16:20] <steve-_-2> ah restarting a few times seems to have helped
[16:22] <steve-_-2> so has muon be removed from kubuntu 16.10?
[16:22] <steve-_-2> can't find it anymore
[16:24] <steve-_-2> so system updates etc now incoming via discover?
[16:26] <acheronuk> muon is there if you wish to install it
[16:27] <steve-_-2> acheronuk: well it was there but has been uninstalled it seems
[16:27] <steve-_-2> also why have 2 update managers?
[16:27] <steve-_-2> so the default is discover?
[16:28] <acheronuk> KDE wants to have discover, as it it evolving into a software centre that will be more than just a package manager.
[16:28] <steve-_-2> sounds fine
[16:28] <steve-_-2> also that means I don't have to be annoyed by the wrong time info for the last update check in muon...
[16:28] <acheronuk> Muon has been revived as an option for those who may just want a plain package manager
[16:29] <acheronuk> Both are somewhat a work in progress from KDE.
[16:30] <acheronuk> steve-_-2: stick a quick band-aid on the wiki. ;)
[16:30] <steve-_-2> acheronuk: hm, they should focus efforts and get one to working state. muon has had that time check bug for years
[16:30] <acheronuk> *stuck even
[16:31] <acheronuk> Muon is very much a side project. pretty much one person fixing it up
[16:32] <penelopa> KDE in Kubuntu 16.10 periodical crash. (((
[16:33] <steve-_-2> Open Configure Software Sources from the settings menu, and set the release upgrade option to Normal Releases.
[16:33] <steve-_-2> I don#t understand that. when  I open discover, settings > software source I see http://imgur.com/a/dHnxS
[16:33] <steve-_-2> that doesn't match that description at all
[16:34] <steve-_-2> acheronuk:
[16:36] <acheronuk> steve-_-2: http://i.imgur.com/WRHr3fa.png
[16:38] <steve-_-2> acheronuk: this stuff is complex. I don't have the advanced option
[16:38] <steve-_-2> http://imgur.com/a/5TeKM
[16:38] <acheronuk> gets you: http://i.imgur.com/iYbsLMu.png
[16:39] <acheronuk> steve-_-2: are you now on 16.10? if so, the the version of discover on that is different
[16:40] <steve-_-2> acheronuk: y
[16:40] <steve-_-2> hm, so why hide important options?
[16:40] <acheronuk> I'm looking at standard 16.04.1 in a VM
[16:40] <steve-_-2> 16.10 here in vm (:
[16:41] <steve-_-2> well, maybe things will stabilise
[16:41] <acheronuk> I know what you mean. plasma-discover is changing rapidly between releases
[16:42] <steve-_-2> ok, so let#S ignore that. let me take another look at the wiki
[16:42] <acheronuk> upstream dev version is completely changed again
[16:42] <hippybear> personally I have never used the non terminal version
[16:42] <hippybear> much easier in terminal
[16:43] <acheronuk> ^^^^ ditto
[16:45] <steve-_-2> acheronuk: terminal is great but not for non terminal users.
[16:45] <steve-_-2> acheronuk: so why not add "in software sources open the 'Updates' tab and there in the 'Release upgrade' section select 'Normal Releases'
[16:46] <steve-_-2> that would be an instruction that should prevent users from searching like crazy
[16:46] <steve-_-2> atm it's totally unclear as to where to find that setting that needs to be adjusted
[16:49] <hippybear> because muon is bloated
[16:49] <hippybear> in terminal its much simpler
[16:49] <hippybear> Windows does a disservice to users hand holding everyone and getting them used to installing 400 lbs of crap just tp update one program
[16:50] <hippybear> "But I need a GUI"
[16:50] <hippybear> "Terminal is so scery"
[16:50] <hippybear> Linux is not for strictly gui users
[16:51] <hippybear> Never was designed to be, if you cant get used to usig a terminal install Mac or stick to windows
[16:51] <steve-_-2> hippybear: I truly believe this is incorrect. linux wants to be on the desktop
[16:51] <hippybear> Desktop is there for people who cant install x
[16:51] <hippybear> you really dont need it
[16:52] <steve-_-2> ? well whatever. I give up for today. acheronuk if you want to further adjust the wiki, that would be welcome.
[16:52] <hippybear> some peoples kids
[16:55] <acheronuk> that debate goes on ad nauseum.
[16:59] <hippybear> No doubt
[16:59] <hippybear> I remember linux 15 years ago
[16:59] <hippybear> ask for a GUI for a and get laughed out of the channel
[16:59] <hippybear> "Go back to windows nub"
[17:00] <Unit193> Except this isn't 15 years ago, and people can generally ignore the terminal.
[17:02] <hippybear> I dont recall saying it was
[17:02] <hippybear> but astute observation
[17:03] <hippybear> How do you edit iptable rules without a terminal?
[17:03] <hippybear> how do you generate ssh keys?
[17:04] <hippybear> how do you connect to a server via ssh with a gui?
[17:04] <hippybear> sftp?
[17:04] <hippybear> top?
[17:06] <buovjaga> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_edit_iptables_rules#GUI
[17:07] <hippybear> rhel != Kubuntu
[17:11] <buovjaga> Kubuntu users will miss out, then :)
[17:12] <hippybear> lol
[17:12] <hippybear> "Im a linux system admin for the past 10 years. I can't use anything non terminal"
[17:13] <hippybear> wordfail++
[17:15] <buovjaga> luckily we can use http://bedrocklinux.org/ to get the best of both Fedora and Kubuntu
[17:17] <hippybear> that just seems like a bad day waiting to happen
[17:17] <hippybear> maybe not
[17:17] <hippybear> unmet dependencies out the wazoo
[17:19] <sponge> Hello
[17:19] <hippybear> hallo
[17:20] <sponge> I'm using xubuntu on my laptop and I wanted to try kubuntu. I'm wondering if it's possible to install kubuntu on a external-usb-drive and dual boot (In order to not ruin the xubuntu installation). Can anyone advise me on what's my best options?
[17:21] <soee> why not make bootable usb and try live session ?
[17:23] <sponge> Because I it's hard to fully work with a live session. I can't install my fav apps and keep them on the live-usb.
[17:23] <hippybear> you can also install the kubuntu desktop env and log out and try kubuntu
[17:24] <mparillo> You should be able to add "persistence" to your USB and then install aps, change configs and have them the next time you boot using the USB.
[17:26] <sponge> hippybear, on many sites it's recommended not to mix kde with other DEs, and not to experiment on a production machine. This is why I'm not choosing the option to install kde inside xubuntu.
[17:28] <hippybear> I can understand
[17:28] <hippybear> it really isnt that bad if you know how to set it back
[17:29] <sponge> mparillo, Can I also add persistence when "burning" the usb with rufus?
[17:29] <sponge> hippybear, knowing how to set it back is using purge? Does it completely wipe all the changes kde has made?
[17:30] <hippybear> it removes a lot of things you actually need
[17:30] <sponge> hippybear, So you mean that's not the right way of doing it?
[17:30] <hippybear> so you have to let it clear all that and then reinstall some really important system files with apt-get update && upgrade
[17:31] <hippybear> it takes some know how but its doable
[17:33] <sponge1> sorry. Got d/c
[17:33] <sponge1> Maybe I'll try it first with the live usb. Is there a recommended way for burning a live-usb from inside windows that enables persistence?
[17:34] <hippybear> unetbootin works?
[17:44] <sponge1> hippybear, Yeah, it works. I just wanted to know if you recommend something. I used to use rufus because it has support for old bios which one of my machines required.
[17:45] <hippybear> I never used anything other than unetbootin
[18:06] <leumas> Hi All, just upgraded to 16.10 and my wireless card aint working since then
[18:07] <leumas> same for audio, i need to unplug and plug back my USB headset to get it to work...pls help
[18:17] <hippybear> which wireless card do you have?
[18:17] <robert850> I downloaded the kubunyu file, now what? My laptop doesn't read the file?
[18:17] <hippybear> Yeah its a much more involved process than just clicking a file
[18:17] <hippybear> Do you have a USB? are you burning a disk?
[18:18] <hippybear> Will this be in a VM or installed over your OS
[18:18] <robert850> over OS
[18:19] <hippybear> so you will need to either burn that iso to a disk and set that disk to be bootable or burn it to USB and make the USB bootable if your OS supports USB booting
[18:19] <hippybear> you will also need a working internet through the whole process
[18:19] <robert850> OK sounds good, anything else?
[18:20] <hippybear> let me see if I can find a decent write up on how to do it so you dont get totally lost :)
[18:21] <hippybear> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[18:22] <hippybear> should have you set up in a couple hours :)
[18:22] <hippybear> any issues just come back in
[18:22] <robert850> Thank you !
[18:23] <hippybear> anytime
[18:37] <Aaditya> my ubuntu software isnt working...wont start at all when clicked
[18:38] <Aaditya> looked up some articles online
[18:38] <Aaditya> tried reinstalling gnome software
[18:38] <Aaditya> no help
[18:49] <Aaditya> also, I'm new to IRC...i dont really understand how logging is done...and that will i be able to see messages during the interval when my IRC client was inactive
[18:49] <soee> Aaditya: we dotn support gnome softwere center
[18:50] <soee> in kubuntu you have Discover
[18:50] <Aaditya> im a unity desktop ubuntu user
[18:50] <soee> Aaditya: so why asking here ?
[18:50] <soee> this is Kubuntu support channel
[18:50] <Aaditya> sorry
[18:50] <soee> you should ask on #ubuntu
[18:50] <Aaditya> thanks
[18:51] <Aaditya> one question...what is the difference between k,x,l ubuntu?
[18:51] <soee> differend DE
[18:51] <soee> ubutnu uses Unity, kubuntu Plasma (KDE), and xubutnu theit own
[19:05] <sponge1> Can I install gnome/mate (gtk3/gtk2) apps on kubuntu?
[19:10] <soee> sponge1: yes
[19:10] <hippybear> you 'can'
[19:10] <hippybear> it looks a litte weird sometimes
[19:10] <sponge1> Does this require kubuntu to d/l lots of libraries and possibly break the system?
[19:11] <hippybear> it wont break it
[19:11] <hippybear> you will often need to download a ton of stuff for deps
[19:11] <hippybear> it still looks weird at times and often lacks small features
[19:11] <hippybear> sometimes you wont even notice lol
[19:13] <hippybear> Aaditya: different versions are for different 'needs'
[19:14] <hippybear> some are more geared to education and have default apps installed that work like that, if that makes sense
[19:18] <sponge1> cool. thanks hippybear
[19:19] <hippybear> no prob
[19:19] <sponge1> Oh, one more thing
[19:20] <hippybear> ?
[19:21] <sponge1> I've heard that plasma 5.8 is going to be LTS. Is there a way/will there be a way to upgrade plasma 5.7 on kubuntu 16.04 to plasma 5.8? and stay on two LTS - one is kubuntu 16.04 and one is plasma 5.8?
[19:22] <hippybear> mmm sorta
[19:22] <hippybear> its often awkward but you can backwards compile
[19:22] <hippybear> you have to know how to specify versions in apt for example, but it can be done
[19:23] <hippybear> its better to either switch to beta and just let it run buggy as it is, or build backwards and accept the issues
[19:23] <hippybear> lol
[19:24] <sponge> Sorry. Got d/c again
[19:24] <sponge> I've heard that plasma 5.8 is going to be LTS. Is there a way/will there be a way to upgrade plasma 5.7 on kubuntu 16.04 to plasma 5.8? and stay on two LTS - one is kubuntu 16.04 and one is plasma 5.8?
[19:25] <hippybear> its better to either switch to beta and just let it run buggy as it is, or build backwards and accept the issues
[19:25] <hippybear> its often awkward but you can backwards compile
[19:25] <hippybear> you have to know how to specify versions in apt for example, but it can be done
[19:25] <leumas> hippybear: its an Intel card
[19:25] <hippybear> hrm
[19:25] <hippybear> its built in right?
[19:25] <leumas> yea
[19:25] <hippybear> lol
[19:26] <hippybear> also whoever made this is amazing! http://www.awwwards.com/awards/images/2015/08/yondr-awwwards-logos-4.gif
[19:26] <hippybear> leumas: do you have alsamixer?
[19:28] <leumas> hippybear: i used to have Kmix before the update but i cant see on my system
[19:29] <mparillo> sponge: https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#Do_you_plan_to_add_Linux_persistent_data_support_eg_for_Ubuntu
[19:29] <leumas> hippybear: do you recomend i install alsamixer or go with Kmix?
[19:29] <hippybear> leumas: what is the output of cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | grep Codec
[19:29] <mparillo> Unetbootin used to claim to support persistence, but it stopped working at all for me maybe a year or so ago.
[19:30] <leumas> hippybear: no such file or directory
[19:30] <hippybear> hardcore
[19:30] <hippybear> try cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*
[19:30] <sponge> hippybear, Although I understood some of the things you regarding the buggy/issues/backward compile.. I don't think I'm capable of this level.
[19:31] <leumas> hippybear: same result
[19:31] <hippybear> meh
[19:31] <hippybear> well
[19:31] <hippybear> what in the world
[19:31] <sponge> thanks mparillo for linking me to this!
[19:31] <hippybear> try sudo su
[19:31] <hippybear> then cat those see if you get anything
[19:32] <sponge> mparillo, Is there a respectable tool to make live-usbs in windows that are persistent?
[19:33] <hippybear> leumas: apt-get install alsa
[19:33] <hippybear> lets get you some sound lol
[19:33] <sponge> hippybear, Will 5.7 get updates to solve issues for the long run? since 16.04 is LTS?
[19:33] <leumas> hippybear: already the newest version
[19:34] <hippybear> k
[19:34] <sponge> mparillo, in that link, they're saying: Once you boot the OS, you should have everything you need to create some space for persistent data, so there's no real need for Rufus to do that. | How should that be made?
[19:34] <hippybear> sponge: maybe?
[19:34] <hippybear> leumas: alsamixer
[19:35] <leumas> hippybear: unable to locate package
[19:35] <hippybear> leumas: F6 to select your sound card
[19:35] <hippybear> apt-get install alsamixer
[19:36] <sponge> Can you please recommend a good tutorial for kubuntu? or is this sufficient for a newbie http://docs.kubuntu.org/ ?
[19:36] <leumas> hippybear: just installed kmix
[19:37] <hippybear> guis lol
[19:37] <hippybear> :)
[19:37] <leumas> hippybear: the key is not assigned on my laptop, Lenovo T420i (Fn + F6)
[19:38] <hippybear> :(
[19:39] <sponge> I'll try the liveusb. bbl. thanks for all the help :)
[19:39] <hippybear> np
[19:48] <ahoneybun> so that script connects
[19:50] <sponge1> Hello
[19:51] <sponge1> Is there a way to install synaptic or something similar on the kubuntu live-usb?
[20:01] <sponge1> Could it be that Discover isn't offering vlc for install?
[20:07] <hippybear> man installing fonts isnt working so well today
[20:07] <hippybear> might be buggy
[20:08] <sponge1> hippybear: Why can't I find vlc in Discover? Should I change something in my settings?
[20:09] <sponge1> Also I can't find the restricted codec package
[20:09] <hippybear> I dont use discover
[20:09] <hippybear> try it in terminal does it tell you nothing found?
[20:09] <sponge1> terminal works. I managed to install synaptic via terminal
[20:09] <hippybear> das whats up
[20:10] <hippybear> I always use the terminal
[20:10] <hippybear> it just seems right lol
[20:10] <sponge1> Is discover broken or somethign?
[20:11] <hippybear> It works, you probably just need to enable something or change a setting
[20:12] <sponge1> ok
[20:12] <hippybear> you have to add a ppa
[20:12] <hippybear> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:videolan/stable-daily
[20:12] <sponge1> doesn't kubuntu use the same ppas as ubuntu/xubuntu?
[20:13] <hippybear> its also in trusty-main or xenial-main now
[20:13] <hippybear> no
[20:13] <hippybear> sorta?
[20:13] <acheronuk> vlc is in the main archive
[20:14] <acheronuk> sudo apt install vlc
[20:16] <hippybear> vlc vlc-plugin
[20:16] <sponge1> sholdn't it also be in xenial main?
[20:16] <hippybear> it is
[20:17] <acheronuk> no need for an extra ppa for vlc unless you want the git stable/unstable builds
[20:17] <sponge1> acheronuk: even if I'm on a live usb?
[20:18] <hippybear> yeah
[20:19] <hippybear> vlc and all plugins / libs are in xenial main http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/allpackages
[20:22] <acheronuk> live cd/usb has 'main restricted universe' in it's sources.list. so most things like vlc etc should be available
[20:22] <ahoneybun> sponge1: the live usb can install software
[20:25] <ahoneybun> I guess the bot is not doing anything then
[20:27] <sponge1> thanks. I'll try that and restart. bbl
[21:31] <viewer|19359> Hello. I have one little question. It is normaly thath I don't have to enter my password for sudo in comandline? This is since 16.10
[22:40] <kayvee> I have a quick question - is there a command line way to unlock widgets?
[22:41] <kayvee> I am working on a script that will change wallpapers and it won't work unless the widgets are unlocked. I don't want to leave my widgets unlocked at all times.
[22:44] <hippybear> Not that I am aware of
[22:45] <hippybear> If you are doing it in a script lock widgets=false
[22:46] <kayvee> Then is there a way to change the wallpaper using a script? The ones I have looked at so far use a similar approach that involves a qdbus command
[22:47] <kayvee> Cool. Let me try that
[22:49] <kayvee> Nope, it did not work. I have a feeling though that I have screwed up something.
[22:51] <kayvee> This is the command I am using: qdbus org.kde.plasmashell /PlasmaShell org.kde.PlasmaShell.evaluateScript 'var allDesktops = desktops();print (allDesktops);for (i=0;i<allDesktops.length;i++) {d = allDesktops[i];d.wallpaperPlugin = "org.kde.image";d.currentConfigGroup = Array("Wallpaper", "org.kde.image", "General");d.writeConfig("Image", "file:///path/to/image.png")}'
[22:52] <hippybear> https://gist.github.com/hippybear/3e7951a2cf2167ac917ae85a85a1e1bd
[22:52] <hippybear> example script that randomly chooses wallpaper based on a file
[22:53] <kayvee> That appears to be gnome specific. Will it work on KDE/Plasma?
[22:54] <hippybear> should
[22:54] <hippybear> the essential line is gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri "$FNAME"
[22:55] <hippybear> FNAME = whatever/path/image.png
[22:56] <hippybear> you will need to assosciate it with a crontab to get it to run randomly
[22:56] <hippybear> crontab -e
[22:56] <hippybear> then add your file at the bottom
[22:58] <kayvee> I have tried that script. The wallpaper is not changed.
[22:59] <hippybear> I wonder if gsettings is changed in 16
[22:59] <hippybear> lemme see
[22:59] <ronaldsmazitis> my application dashboard doesn't search files
[23:01] <hippybear> kayvee: qdbus org.kde.plasma
[23:01] <hippybear> in terminal what is the output?
[23:01] <ronaldsmazitis> using kde 5.6.5
[23:03] <ronaldsmazitis> anyone knows why my application dashboard doesn't search files
[23:04] <kayvee> says Service 'org.kde.plasma' does not exist.
[23:05] <kayvee> I am using KDE Plasma version 5.7.5
[23:06] <kayvee> I do have org.kde.plasmashell however
[23:07] <hippybear> qdbus org.kde.plasmashell
[23:07] <kayvee> https://paste.kde.org/p97irqxwu is what I see when I do qdbus org.kde.plasmashell
[23:09] <hippybear> getting closer!
[23:09] <ronaldsmazitis> anybody?
[23:10] <hippybear> ronaldsmazitis: What do you mean it doesnt search files?
[23:10] <hippybear> which menu are you using?
[23:10] <ronaldsmazitis> it supposed to search files
[23:10] <hippybear> ok
[23:10] <ronaldsmazitis> application dashboard
[23:10] <ronaldsmazitis> fullscreen
[23:10] <hippybear> :|
[23:10] <hippybear> and you type a letter and nothing
[23:11] <hippybear> click your menu and type abc and take a screenshot of it
[23:12] <ronaldsmazitis> baloo_file_extractor uses a lot of ram
[23:12] <ronaldsmazitis> and processor
[23:13] <ronaldsmazitis> 25% CPU
[23:13] <hippybear> kayvee: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=109437&p=256319#p256319
[23:13] <hippybear> ronaldsmazitis: how about a screenshot of the menu?
[23:13] <hippybear> click your menu and type abc and take a screenshot of it
[23:13] <ronaldsmazitis> it finds applications but no files
[23:14] <ronaldsmazitis> no need for screenshot it is like I said
[23:14] <ronaldsmazitis> it finds plenty of question marks on files
[23:15] <hippybear> oh files
[23:16] <hippybear> Konsole > find somefile.c
[23:16] <ronaldsmazitis> no clock on panel
[23:17] <hippybear> delete the panel and add a default new one
[23:18] <ronaldsmazitis> when I add clock it shows error
[23:19] <ronaldsmazitis> Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.digitalclock/contents/ui/main.qml:48:14: Cannot assign to non-existent property "toolTipItem"
[23:19] <hippybear> good lord
[23:21] <kayvee> hippybear: I don't have org.kde.plasma-desktop. I get the error: Cannot find 'local.PlasmaApp.loadScriptInInteractiveConsole' in object /App at org.kde.plasma-desktop
[23:22] <hippybear> ronaldsmazitis: https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-workspace.git there is no more toolTipItem in KDE>5.5
[23:23] <hippybear> you need to upgrade
[23:23] <hippybear> something is wacky
[23:24] <valorie> or perhaps `sudo apt install -f` where f=fix
[23:25] <hippybear> lol
[23:25] <hippybear> something isnt up to par for sure
[23:28] <hippybear> kayvee: im not really sure :| it seems some thing changed and now I have no clue how to lol
[23:33] <kayvee> I have been searching about this... Here's kind of what I wanted to do. https://gist.github.com/mamantoha/e4a2e173a852d6901918eef56e5bc884
[23:33] <kayvee> hippybear: that script works but only if I have the widgets unlocked
[23:33] <hippybear> oh bang
[23:34] <hippybear> its javascript?
[23:34] <kayvee> So all I am looking for is an addition to that script that unlocks the widgets first, changes the wallpaper and locks it back again.
[23:34] <kayvee> hippybear: it is ruby
[23:34] <hippybear> oh tru
[23:35] <hippybear> missed the .rb lol
[23:35] <hippybear> looks a lot like node, plus plasma is bringing in some kind of javascript editor for plasmoids


[01:14] <acmeinc1> i noticed a thread on the forum about the rt kernel for quantal.  how could i load this on the lts?
[01:29] <astraljava> acmeinc1: Have a look at here: https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kernel
[01:30] <astraljava> Since we're on -devel, I trust I don't have to keep my mandatory speech about non-existing support etc. :)
[01:55] <falktx_> astraljava: please don't give me credit for those kernels, they are from abogani
[01:55] <falktx_> I just copied them to be safe
[01:55] <falktx_> sometimes he deletes them
[07:24] <contrapunctus> zequence - Mate, I thought it over, and I'm afraid I will not be able to do it. Too busy struggling as a musician...I apologize.
[07:34] <smartboyhw> Oh no
[08:05] <zequence> Too bad
[08:07] <smartboyhw> zequence, welcome back from UDS:D
[08:08] <zequence> smartboyhw, Thanks. I'm not home yet though. Will be later today
[08:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, good:D
[09:49] <zequence> contrapunctus, I understand. I'm pretty low on time myself - I think everyone are. Don't think you need to make a decision either for or against
[09:50] <zequence> It's not such a deadly serious business being a Ubuntu Studio developer
[09:50] <zequence> And we don't make demands on anyone, cause we know it's tough being able to commit
[09:51] <zequence> contrapunctus, If you change your mind, or just keep hanging around here, you might find something you'd like to do in the future. Don't be a stranger in any case
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Hi ScottL
[15:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, I have a mind: It is difficult for us to use the mailiing list to subscribe to the bugs, but then why can't we just use the team to subscribe to the bugs? We only have mainly 4 packages: -meta, -default-settings, -look, -icon-theme (some I do not know maybe). It should be easy to subscribe to their bug mails
[15:30] <zequence> smartboyhw, Yes, we should use the team to subscribe to bugs. Right now, the dev team is automatically subscribed
[15:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, then the bug team should too
[15:31] <zequence> smartboyhw, Yes. That is the plan
[15:31] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah
[15:31] <len-dt> zequence, smartboyhw that is because we own the packages.
[15:31] <smartboyhw> zequence, then just abolish the mailing list no use at all
[15:31] <smartboyhw> len-dt, yes we know;D
[18:07] <zequence> Woa, I wrote some c code. That doesn't happen often
[18:08] <contrapunctus> lmfao, zequence. You're being assimilated into the dev team. Four months later you'll become a programmer xD
[18:09] <zequence> contrapunctus, I do quite a lot of developing, but not in C/C++
[18:09] <zequence> Mostly script.. bash/python and puredata
[18:09] <zequence> You can do quite a lot with python
[18:09] <contrapunctus> @_@
[18:10] <contrapunctus> I learned a little C++...in school. Forgot everything now -_-'
[18:10] <zequence> Yea, I don't remember much by heart. I'm always looking at some reference
[18:10] <contrapunctus> Dunno about other languages but PureData and C++ really make you think in a particular way.
[18:12] <zequence> I'm not very familiar with C++, which seems like a huge language, but in some respect, all the languages are quite simple. The problem is in how to use the
[18:12] <zequence> And most of them are very similar too
[18:12] <knome> hey zequence :) you back home?
[18:12] <zequence> knome, Not yet. Sitting in the bus. Another 20 min or so
[18:12] <zequence> To reach the city, that is
[18:13] <knome> okay, but near enough
[18:13] <zequence> knome, Did you have a nice Friday?
[18:14] <knome> zequence, yup, we went to see the little mermaid and visited the design museum. apart from those, mostly shopping, eating and drinking
[18:14] <zequence> knome, hehe, I usually only enjoy the eating and the drinking myself
[18:18] <knome> well, we had to buy some gifts/souvenirs for SO's
[18:18] <knome> i didn't find any in the city though, so i resorted to the airport selection
[18:19] <contrapunctus> knome, SO's?
[18:20] <knome> contrapunctus, special others, for me my wife and for her, fiancee
[18:20] <contrapunctus> Oh. Lol. :)
[18:20] <knome> her being elizabeth, who i did the tourist stuff with
[18:21] <zequence> Well, nearly there. Time to log off again
[18:21] <knome> see you
[18:25] <contrapunctus> Ciao zequence.
[20:19]  * astraljava thinks the term is 'significant other'.
[20:21]  * knome doesn't think it matters as long as he brings gifts to her
[20:21] <knome> and hey astraljava
[20:23]  * contrapunctus thinks that was just what I was thinking when knome mentioned it, astraljava
[20:42] <astraljava> Heh, yeah.
[20:42] <astraljava> And was she approving?
[20:42] <knome> yeah.
[20:44] <zequence> Anyone done a Windows system recovery from the recovery partition, but the second partition was not set up with the ntfs file system?
[20:44] <zequence> I hate this..
[20:44]  * contrapunctus hasn't used Windows since about a few years now.
[20:44] <zequence> contrapunctus: Well, you aren't alone in that
[20:44] <contrapunctus> although /me still has Win7 installed, gathering dust.
[20:44] <contrapunctus> Darn.
[20:45] <contrapunctus> Fail.
[20:45] <len-dt> I have many windows in my house, but the format was set when the house was built...
[20:45] <astraljava> Soo... not NTFS?
[20:45] <zequence> The age of windows is over. we now use doors
[20:46] <len-dt> I have some of those too.
[20:46] <zequence> astraljava: I installed Linux on the C:\ partition. Now, I'd like to revert it back to Windows
[20:46] <astraljava> Now you're just showing off.
[20:47] <astraljava> zequence: I have no idea, but maybe you can move the HDD to another box, and have the windows disk utility re-format that partition?
[20:47] <zequence> I guess I just need to learn how to do partitioning and formatting with Windows commands
[20:48] <zequence> I could use an install CD too, but arghh..
[20:48] <ScottL> zequence: i abosultely want to work with ttoine and others to setup a framework where everyone can participate
[20:48] <astraljava> I feel your pain, bro.
[20:48] <ScottL> obviously i don't think having _everyone_ involved in PR is a good thing, however ;)
[20:49] <ScottL> but a small group that is active is certainly desirable
[20:49] <astraljava> Yep, like me, for instance. :)
[20:49] <zequence> ScottL: Hehe. Well, I'm thinking not everyone will be in the end. And I know you are up for it. I just want to see some action from the other guys too
[20:49] <ScottL> i really would also like to see about seeing what plugins are available and also _can_ be installed to push our news to twitter/facebook/ etc
[20:49] <zequence> Right
[20:50] <ScottL> zequence: agreed. it will be interesting to see who is still pushing news in 6 months ;P
[20:50] <len-dt> Or two.
[20:50] <ScottL> len-dt: hehe
[20:51] <ScottL> afk again with the family, i'll be doing stuff later tonight though
[20:51] <len-dt> Last cycle was not overflowing with people :)
[20:51] <zequence> Yea, let's try to change that for this cycle
[20:52] <len-dt> As long as some things get done at some part of the cycle that is ok too.
[20:52] <len-dt> I think The better our product the more interest there is.
[20:53] <contrapunctus> Hey fols
[20:53] <contrapunctus> *folks
[20:53] <zequence> We just need to communicate better, I think. And reach out to the right communities
[20:53] <contrapunctus> Do your families use Linux as well? O_o
[20:53] <zequence> There's room for a lot of improvement in many areas
[20:53] <len-dt> Also it seems there are getting to be less audio distros being maintained.
[20:53] <len-dt> zequence, Always, always.
[20:54] <zequence> Would be nice to get some graphics/video people in
[20:55] <len-dt> Ya, I think getting US to the point where those people feel it is worth installing on their production machine is the first step.
[20:55] <zequence> Ah, yeah. We have jta, and Scottl is also into that. But, we could use some more people giving feedback and ideas
[20:55]  * len-dt  is not a video/movie person.
[20:55] <len-dt> I'd rather read a book
[20:56] <zequence> len-dt: During UDS I realized that all the flavors have more or less the same problem what dev docs are concerned. And, getting more people involved
[20:56] <len-dt> Some of the modern animation is really good though
[20:56] <zequence> My suggestion was to create a universal dev doc for the Ubuntu community. I'll be trying to make that happen now
[20:57] <len-dt> docs are the biggest problem in Linux every where that I can tell.
[20:57] <zequence> The other step is to get active with the PR
[20:57] <zequence> len-dt: Also, I talked with David Henningson about the jackd bug
[20:57] <len-dt> PR :P
[20:58] <zequence> len-dt: He was working on it about half a year ago. But, only came a bit closer to the solution
[20:58] <len-dt> I see the need for PR but what attracts me is not interesting to most of the world.
[20:58] <zequence> len-dt: He told me, that if we do find serious bugs, he's happy to help try to fix them
[20:58] <zequence> len-dt: We need to tell people what we want
[20:59] <zequence> In clear terms too
[20:59] <len-dt> zequence, what is happening on the jackd level? is this not generally a problem with other distros then?
[20:59] <zequence> len-dt: level?
[20:59] <len-dt> ya are the jackd devs seeing this problem? or is it a deb/ubuntu problem?
[20:59] <contrapunctus> len-dt - 'docs are the biggest problem in Linux every where that I can tell.' why?
[21:00] <len-dt> It is hard work writing docs, Often a lot of programers are not good documenters.
[21:00] <zequence> len-dt: I guess no one is really wanting to fix it, or not aware of it. That's something we could have done better before. Putting some light on it, and doing bug reports upstream
[21:01] <zequence> contrapunctus: There's a lot of docs that are outdated too. And not only that - you often have to read between the lines to figure things out
[21:02] <len-dt> zequence, the kxstudio version is better. It still crashes some times... but I would say 10x less.
[21:02] <zequence> len-dt: I'm a little clueless to why that would be so. As, I don't think the source is any different
[21:03] <zequence> Haven't checked when it was last updated, but the package in 12.10 is pretty up to date
[21:04] <len-dt> I haven't played that much with 12.10 jackd. on my 12.04 I had the kx version though and then had a jack_control stop as a prestop for qjackctl.
[21:04] <len-dt> I should try the same trick for 12.10
[21:05] <zequence> I'll be looking into that in the coming week
[21:05] <len-dt> I think it is better than a killall -9...
[21:05] <zequence> I never realized David H was from Sweden, btw
[21:05] <zequence> It's weird when you meet people in person too. Not what you expected at all
[21:06] <len-dt> text is a funny thing
[21:06] <zequence> len-dt: If UDS ever comes your way, or you get a chance to be sponsored to go, I highly recommend it
[21:07] <len-dt> Is it always the same time of year?
[21:07] <zequence> len-dt: I guess twice a year, just after release time
[21:08] <zequence> Was never interested before, but since it was so close to home this time I took the chance
[21:08] <len-dt> It may be a few years before I can... after 2015 I expect to travel a bit more.
[21:08] <astraljava> Yeah, usually every other time is in American soil.
[21:08] <contrapunctus> I feel like doing docs...but there's no time, I'm in the 'Linux Audio - create awesome music on Linux and wow people over' department. -_-'
[21:09] <contrapunctus> Well, night folks, it's 2:40 pm here.
[21:09]  * len-dt is retiring at the end of 2015 he may do more work after :)
[21:09] <zequence> contrapunctus: Any links to some of that wowness?
[21:09] <astraljava> 2:40 pm, and he calls it a night?
[21:09] <zequence> len-dt: At the age of 65?
[21:09] <len-dt> 55
[21:10] <len-dt> At most I would go till 60
[21:10] <contrapunctus> www.contrapunctus.tumblr.com ...I'm just a student though. Music made with qtractor and qsampler, scores with MuseScore.
[21:10] <zequence> heh, we're probably going to raise retirement age from 65 to higher around here :(
[21:10] <contrapunctus> Only one track there atm.
[21:10] <contrapunctus> ciao folks.
[21:11] <len-dt> The company I work for has a "bridge" from 55 to 65 (or whenever the gov. pention cuts in).
[21:11] <zequence> contrapunctus: Cool stuff :)
[21:11] <contrapunctus> astraljava : erratic sleeping (as well as the resulting erratic eating times) is an invitation for heart failure -.-'
[21:11] <contrapunctus> Thanks zequence, more to come soon.