[00:57] <cnStarz> i need help getting xubuntu to work with my tv
[01:19] <cnstarz> i need help configuring xorg.conf
[01:21] <cnstarz> anyone here? :(
[01:22] <ere4si> cnstarz, what's up?
[01:22] <cnstarz> hooray thank you
[01:22] <cnstarz> ok
[01:22] <cnstarz> im trying to follow the...
[01:22] <cnstarz> NvidiaTVOutNewbieEdition
[01:22] <cnstarz> however
[01:22] <cnstarz> when i type in "sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[01:23] <cnstarz> it asks for my password and...
[01:23] <cnstarz> it says...
[01:23] <cnstarz> one sec
[01:23] <ere4si> why would it say "one sec"?
[01:23] <ere4si> :)
[01:23] <cnstarz> no im saying one sec
[01:23] <cnstarz> im trying to copy it
[01:23] <ere4si> :)
[01:24] <ere4si> k
[01:24] <cnstarz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57404/
[01:24] <cnstarz> and then...
[01:24] <cnstarz> when i press enter...
[01:24] <cnstarz> i get...
[01:25] <cnstarz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57405/
[01:26] <ere4si> did you delete the file in /tmp?
[01:26] <cnstarz> no, i dont know how to :(
[01:26] <cnstarz> im new to linux
[01:26] <ere4si> sorry - /var/tmp
[01:26] <cnstarz> i dont know linux commands yet
[01:26] <cnstarz> :O
[01:27] <ere4si> sudo rm -v /var/tmp/xorg.conf.swp
[01:27] <cnstarz> okay i'll try that
[01:27] <ere4si> k
[01:28] <cnstarz> okay it worked, and this is what i get now: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57406/
[01:28] <cnstarz> this is the guide im following: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOutNewbieEdition
[01:29] <ere4si> you need to redo your xorg -   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:30] <cnstarz> what does that do?
[01:30] <cnstarz> not that i dont trust you, im just curious as to what exactly it does :)
[01:30] <ere4si> sets up the xorg.conf file again
[01:30] <cnstarz> alrighty
[01:31] <cnstarz> is this gonna disrupt/change my current display drivers?
[01:32] <ere4si> during the dpkg you get to choose the driver for your card
[01:32] <ere4si> if you installed one it will be listed
[01:32] <cnstarz> i'll get to choose the restricted drivers for my 8800gtx?
[01:32] <ere4si> if you installed it yes
[01:33] <cnstarz> thanks, im really ignorant :P
[01:33] <ere4si> k:)
[01:35] <cnstarz> alright its asking me to choose a driver, so i guess i should pick the nvidia one since i dont see anything related to "restricted" or any other nvidia-related drviers
[01:37] <ere4si> nvidia is the one
[01:41] <eca> i just attached 2 hdds, how do i move files around on them. i see them in /dev/disk and gparted. but thunar cant open them
[01:44] <ere4si> eca: they will be listed in /dev - you will need to make a dir to mount them in
[01:45] <ere4si> eca: /dev/sdb or similar
[01:47] <cnstarz> alright i finished reconfiguring xorg.conf, but when i do "sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf", it still looks like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57406/
[01:47] <cnstarz> should i have to reboot or something?
[01:47] <eca> sudo mount /dev/sdb /home/ace/sdb says mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[01:47] <eca> ext3?
[01:47] <ere4si> cnstarz, you need to log out and in
[01:48] <cnstarz> alrighty
[01:48] <ere4si> eca: does the dir /home/ace/sdb exist before you mount?
[01:48] <eca> yes
[01:49] <eca> thunar doesnt do this automatically?
[01:49] <ere4si> eca: is the sdb a windows disk?
[01:49] <eca> no
[01:49] <eca> ext2 i think or 3
[01:49] <ere4si> linux? - then sudo mount -t ext3 etc
[01:50] <cnstarz> logged out and logged back in and it still looks like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57406/ :(
[01:50] <ere4si> cnstarz, what *buntu are you using?
[01:50] <cnstarz> xubuntu
[01:51] <ere4si> try   sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:51] <cnstarz> whats that one do?
[01:51] <ere4si> cnstarz,  the x in X11 has to be a capital....
[01:52] <cnstarz> hmm
[01:52] <cnstarz> haha it worked now
[01:52] <ere4si> mousepad is the text editor in xubuntu
[01:52] <cnstarz> i didn't know linux was that picky
[01:52] <ere4si> yah
[01:53] <cnstarz> well thanks man
[01:53] <ere4si> all case sensitive - x11 is different to X11
[01:53] <cnstarz> much appreciate
[01:53] <ere4si> np
[01:53] <ere4si> did the same thing years ago when I first started
[01:56] <eca> ty ere4si it works
[01:56] <ere4si> happy for you eca
[03:03] <cnstarz> alrighty...
[03:03] <cnstarz> so
[03:03] <ere4si> ...
[03:03] <cnstarz> i followed the guide
[03:03] <cnstarz> and
[03:04] <cnstarz> the tv just goes gray after grub
[03:04] <cnstarz> it becomes unresponsive
[03:04] <cnstarz> i've exhausted all possibilities that i know of
[03:05] <ere4si> you'll need to dpkg again and start the guide again
[03:05] <cnstarz> i did
[03:05] <cnstarz> like three times
[03:05] <cnstarz> :(
[03:05] <cnstarz> im doing it exactly as it says too
[03:05] <cnstarz> it just doesnt like my tv
[03:05] <ere4si> are you in the recovery kernel?
[03:05] <ere4si> live cd?
[03:06] <cnstarz> i was on here first, in terminal.  i saved it, shut down, plugged the tv in, then started it back up
[03:06] <cnstarz> and got the gray screen
[03:06] <cnstarz> then
[03:06] <cnstarz> i went thru recovoery console
[03:06] <cnstarz> and tried it again thru there
[03:06] <cnstarz> same thing
[03:06] <cnstarz> i mean
[03:06] <cnstarz> i reconfigured throuh recovoery console
[03:06] <cnstarz> i didn't follow the guide through the console
[03:07] <cnstarz> i followed the guide only on here
[03:07] <ere4si> what's the link to the guide again?
[03:07] <cnstarz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOutNewbieEdition
[03:07] <ere4si> and your tv model
[03:07] <cnstarz> sony wega
[03:07] <cnstarz> 51"
[03:08] <cnstarz> lemee see if i can find the exact model name
[03:08] <cnstarz> http://www.epinions.com/pr-Sony_Grand_WEGA_KDP-51WS550_51_in_Rear_Projection_HDTV_Television
[03:09] <cnstarz> the tv connects through component into a video dongle that looks similiar to svid, but isn't svid
[03:09] <cnstarz> which then plugs right into my card, next to the two dvi connections
[03:10] <ere4si> in a terminal type   lspci   and look for the card - should have two listings
[03:10] <cnstarz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57421/
[03:11] <cnstarz> didn't mean to quit out
[03:12] <ere4si> can you post your xorg.conf?
[03:12] <cnstarz> sure
[03:12] <cnstarz> one sec
[03:13] <cnstarz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57422/
[03:15] <ere4si> ok - now you have a standard xorg.conf - nothing for your tv
[03:15] <cnstarz> you can see the svid-like connection that im talking about here: http://www.hummercommunity.com/files/hfpics/8800GTX_768_PCIe_WC_Side.jpg
[03:15] <cnstarz> right
[03:15] <ere4si> you have to do the guide again - but before you save it post it and I'll check :)
[03:16] <cnstarz> alrighty
[03:19] <cnstarz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57423/
[03:22] <Knowledge> anybody in here have any experience with toshiba tecra 8100 laptop and xubuntu installs?  I can't seem to get anywhere with it...just black screen of death or system reset
[03:25] <ere4si> cnstarz, 1st section device - remove usefb line and add screen (0)
[03:26] <ere4si> screen 0
[03:26] <cnstarz> so it should look like Option		"screen 0"		"true"?
[03:26] <cnstarz> oh you mean remove the whole line
[03:27] <ere4si> nope - look at the guide
[03:27] <cnstarz> hmmm
[03:27] <cnstarz> oh i c
[03:28] <cnstarz> i remember doing that last time, but i added it under the usefb
[03:28] <cnstarz> i'll try replacing it this time
[03:31] <ere4si> that line in screen - Screen 1 "Screen[1]" RightOf "Screen[0]" - means you have to have both screens going at the same time
[03:31] <cnstarz> right
[03:31] <ere4si> k
[03:32] <ere4si> ok - save the file - then connect the tv - then ctrl+alt+backspace and login
[03:32] <cnstarz> alrighty, here goes
[03:35] <cnstarz> what the crap, it worked
[03:35] <cnstarz> murphy's law!
[03:35] <ere4si> yah :)
[03:35] <ere4si> have got to be accurate :)
[03:35] <cnstarz> what would i have to edit to get it to show up only on the tv now?
[03:35] <ere4si> let me look
[03:36] <cnstarz> thanks, i really appreciate it
[03:38] <ere4si> put a # in front of "Right like - Screen 1 "Screen[1]" #RightOf "Screen[0]" - save an ctrl+alt+bspc
[03:38] <ere4si> *and
[03:39] <cnstarz> alrighty
[03:40] <cnstarz> so it should look like this:
[03:40] <cnstarz> Screen 1 	"Screen[1]" #RightOf "Screen[0]"
[03:41] <cnstarz> with "Screen 0 	"Screen[0]"" right above it?
[03:42] <ere4si> all the same except for the # in front of "Right"
[03:43] <ere4si> yep
[03:43] <cnstarz> so it should look like this, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57424/
[03:43] <cnstarz> im just making sure im understanding you correctly
[03:44] <ere4si> yep and yep
[03:44] <cnstarz> alrighty
[03:45] <cnstarz> here we go...
[03:45] <cnstarz> negative
[03:45] <cnstarz> the desktop is still there on my tv, but now i just cant move the mouse into it
[03:45] <ere4si> on both one or none?
[03:46] <ere4si> k
[03:46] <ere4si> ok - undo what we just did and save and ctrl+alt+bksp while have a search
[03:47] <cnstarz> alrighty
[03:47] <cnstarz> what if i did this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57427/
[03:51] <ere4si> ok - found a howto
[03:51] <cnstarz> ok
[03:51] <cnstarz> brb
[03:52] <cnstarz> back
[03:54] <ere4si> in the first device section put a # in front of screen 0 - like   # screen 0
[03:54] <cnstarz> got it
[03:55] <cnstarz> should i restart x?
[03:56] <cnstarz> or are you still looking?
[03:56] <ere4si> and in the server section
[03:56] <ere4si> put a # like -    #Screen 0 	"Screen[0]"
[03:56] <cnstarz> got it
[03:57] <ere4si> restart x then
[03:57] <cnstarz> alrighty
[04:04] <ere4si> oops
[04:06] <cnstarz> negative
[04:07] <cnstarz> it seems like it tried to make my monitor display in hdtv
[04:07] <cnstarz> monitor display was all garbled, and TV didn't work at all
[04:08] <David_> What is the system requirements for this distro?
[04:08] <David_> i have a 500 mhz with 192 mbs of ram
[04:09] <David_> can i run?
[04:09] <ere4si> David_, yep - but 192mbs ram is the min for the live cd
[04:10] <ere4si> will run ok when installed
[04:10] <cnstarz> brb
[04:10] <ere4si> k
[04:10] <David_> Awesome :D do i need to download the alternative install cd or the regular version
[04:10] <David_> i couldn't get ubuntu to wok
[04:10] <ere4si> David_, with that mem I would use the alternate cd
[04:11] <David_> okay
[04:11] <ere4si> cnstarz, you set it up for hdtv - try ntsc or pal - the guide says what is right for your area
[04:12] <David_> will the gusty gibbon work?
[04:12] <ere4si> David_, yep
[04:12] <David_> awesome, Thanks sooo much lol, windows xp runs a tad slow on that old machine
[04:12] <David_> lol
[04:13] <ere4si> cnstarz, we forgot a # in front of "Right " to block the last screen 0
[04:16] <ere4si> brb
[04:30] <cnstarz> alrighty im back
[04:30] <cnstarz> sorry
[04:30] <ere4si> .
[04:30] <cnstarz> what did you say?
[04:30] <ere4si> k
[04:31] <ere4si> and is it ok?
[04:31] <cnstarz> im back to the piont where both screens are up
[04:31] <ere4si> great - lets make a backup of that xorg.conf
[04:32] <cnstarz> alrighty
[04:32] <cnstarz> is there a way to restore the backup from recovery console?
[04:32] <ere4si> sudo cp -v /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[04:33] <ere4si> for the backup
[04:33] <cnstarz> that backs it up or restores it?
[04:33] <ere4si> backups
[04:33] <cnstarz> gotcha
[04:34] <ere4si> then to restore  -  cp -v /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:34] <ere4si> from recovery you don't njeed sudo
[04:34] <ere4si> *need
[04:34] <cnstarz> alrighy
[04:34] <cnstarz> this'll save a lot of time
[04:35] <ere4si> :))
[04:35] <ere4si> I missed one # in our last effort - in front of "Right" in the server section
[04:36] <ere4si> and have you changed it from hdtv to pal or ntsc?
[04:36] <cnstarz> nope
[04:36] <cnstarz> its still on hdtv
[04:36] <cnstarz> the edge kinda clips
[04:36] <ere4si> look in the guide for what you need in your area
[04:36] <cnstarz> alrighty
[04:38] <ere4si> just change the hdtv part and test - if it's ok we'll back that up first cnstarz
[04:38] <cnstarz> so it should look like this?
[04:38] <cnstarz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57429/
[04:39] <ere4si> and with the  #  screen 0    in the first device section
[04:41] <cnstarz> ah ok
[04:41] <ere4si> so that's 3 #'s added cnstarz
[04:41] <cnstarz> right
[04:42] <cnstarz> and i changed HD1080i to NTSC-M
[04:42] <cnstarz> saved, here goes
[04:42] <ere4si> if you've changed the hdtv part then restartx
[04:42] <ere4si> k
[04:48] <cnstarz> nope didn't work
[04:49] <cnstarz> monitor became garbled, and tv stayed blank...
[04:49] <cnstarz> then...
[04:49] <cnstarz> i unplugged the monitor and rebooted
[04:49] <ere4si> .
[04:49] <cnstarz> and the tv turned gray
[04:49] <cnstarz> and got stuck
[04:49] <cnstarz> like before
[04:49] <cnstarz> so i plugged the monitor back in and restored that backup
[04:49] <ere4si> have you used the backup file to get back?
[04:49] <ere4si> k
[04:49] <cnstarz> yes
[04:50] <ere4si> the howtos that I can find all have just one device section and are a little old
[04:50] <cnstarz> hmm
[04:51] <ere4si> I wonder if we comment out the first device section and the  screen 0  lines whether that will do the job
[04:51] <cnstarz> wouldn't hurt to try
[04:51] <ere4si> # = comment out
[04:52] <ere4si> then the first device section - every line should start with #
[04:52] <cnstarz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57432/
[04:53] <ere4si> and the section   screen   with screen 0   - the first one
[04:54] <cnstarz> hmm?
[04:54] <ere4si> and the line in the server section with screen 0 and  before "Right"
[04:55] <cnstarz> i got the server one commented out
[04:55] <ere4si> there are two section "screen" - the first should be commented out as that is the monitor
[04:55] <cnstarz> ohh
[04:56] <cnstarz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57433/
[04:57] <ere4si> paste the whole xorg pls
[04:57] <cnstarz> that should be the whole thing
[04:58] <ere4si> yep - be brave and have another go :)
[04:58] <cnstarz> ;P
[04:58] <cnstarz> brb
[04:58] <ere4si> k
[05:03] <cnstarz> nope
[05:03] <cnstarz> lol
[05:03] <cnstarz> i think it hates my tv
[05:03] <ere4si> I should have looked closer - in the server section you put the # in the wrong place -
[05:03] <cnstarz> same exact thing as before
[05:03] <cnstarz> BAH
[05:03] <ere4si> should be next to the "Right"
[05:04] <cnstarz> ohhhh
[05:04] <cnstarz> ya i see
[05:04] <ere4si> do it again and repaste the xorg pls - if you want :)
[05:04] <cnstarz> yeppir
[05:11] <cnStarz> nope
[05:11] <cnStarz> same thing
[05:11] <cnStarz> i think i'm done for tonight, wife is home and wants to watch a movie
[05:11] <cnStarz> i really appreciate all your help
[05:12] <ere4si> for now you may need to boot with the monitor then move the mouse over to tv and turn monitor of...
[05:12] <cnStarz> g2g, thanks again man, take care.
[05:12] <ere4si> k
[07:08] <David_> Can anyone help me with an install problem?
[07:09] <David_> My install keeps getting froze at 77% "Gathering information for install report"
[07:09] <David_> MD5 sum check is okay... checked for defects... its okay
[07:09] <David_> Anyone have this problem?
[07:10] <David_> oh and its 7.10
[07:10] <David_> of Xubuntu
[07:11] <David_> anyone?
[08:25] <burner> hi! i'm trying to install xubuntu in my carputer, using a 7" LCD monitor
[08:25] <burner> when X (i guess) starts, the screen is filled with noise - which slowly fades away..
[08:27] <burner> hard to explain.. its like a big blue cloud - becoming smaller, and eventually the screen is all white
[08:34] <zoredache> a 7" monitor?
[08:36] <burner> zoredache, yeah..
[08:37] <burner> hm
[08:37] <burner> 8" actually
[08:37] <zoredache> You might want to try the alternate install cd
[08:37] <burner> :P
[08:37] <burner> hm, okay
[14:39] <nazdalf> hello??
[14:40] <nazdalf> hello can sm1 help me with dis??
[14:40] <nazdalf> how can i see my comp hardware specs in xubuntu??
[14:40] <maxamillion> nazdalf: what parts to you need to see?
[14:41] <nazdalf> ohh ty fr replying....i need to check my graphic driver n graphic card
[14:41] <nazdalf> i m trying to install aiglx (for compiz)
[14:42] <maxamillion> ah
[14:42] <maxamillion> nazdalf: open a terminal and type 'lspci | grep ATI' and see if that returns anything
[14:44] <nazdalf> maxamillion: it dsnt return nething.....
[14:44] <maxamillion> nazdalf: ok, try 'lspci | grep ati' (the capitalization matters and i've never had an ati card do i don't know how it reads)
[14:45] <nazdalf> maxamillion: my xorg.conf has this in it......Section "Device"
[14:45] <nazdalf> 	Identifier	"Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller"
[14:45] <nazdalf> 	Driver		"intel"
[14:45] <nazdalf> 	BusID		"PCI:0:2:0"
[14:45] <nazdalf> EndSection
[14:46] <maxamillion> nazdalf: uhmmm... you sure you have an ATI graphics card?
[14:46] <nazdalf> no clue...i hav an HP a1210in desktop PC
[14:47] <nazdalf> maxamillion: ur 2nd command here returned lots of things on terminal....among other things it gives... Intel Corporation 82915G/P/GV/GL/PL/910GL Memory Controller Hub (rev 04)
[14:47] <nazdalf> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[14:49] <maxamillion> nazdalf: ah, ok ... sorry, i thought you said fglrx, but you said aiglx
[14:49] <maxamillion> you have intel integrated ... appears to be a 915 chipset, i think that one can do compisiting, lemme get you some documentation
[14:50] <nazdalf> maxamillion: yes..do u happen to kno things about tht....Wiki says,supported on embedded Intel i810 through i965 graphics cards....does mine qualify?
[14:51] <maxamillion> nazdalf: yes
[14:52] <nazdalf> maxamillion: thts gr8....ty....btw, as i understand it, to get aiglx configuerd fr my PC all i need to do is add sm code to xorg.conf??
[14:53] <maxamillion> nazdalf: yes, that should be all you need since you have the correct intel driver in the config file already
[14:55] <nazdalf> maxamillion: ty for ur help......err, do u hav compiz on ur PC?? i mean since i m new to linux i shud do sm basic things instead of trying to get compiz to run...lol...
[14:56] <maxamillion> nazdalf: i used compiz for a short time, but it ultimately didn't add any functionality and certain effects annoyed me, i don't use it anymore
[14:56] <nazdalf> ohh.....
[14:57] <maxamillion> nazdalf: its cool for showing to your windows using friends and saying "look what else windows can't do" but other than that i didn't find it very useful, i'm a full time college student with a full time job, i don't have time to not be productive
[15:02] <nazdalf> maxamillion: ohh ....ya...i m installing it jst fr tinkeeing around with linux...;-)...i m a full tym coll student wid no job :))
[15:04] <maristo> hi
[15:05] <nazdalf> hello......
[15:05] <maristo> where .trash-bin directory is situated?
[15:05] <maristo> i mean, desktop's bin
[15:06] <maxamillion> maristo: i don't remember, just a moment
[15:06] <maristo> I need delete files there, manually, with root privilegies, but don't know it's location in fs
[15:09] <maxamillion> maristo: oh, well you can just launch thunar with root privilages ... open a terminal and type "gksu thunar" it will prompt for the password and then you have a file manager with root privilages :)
[15:10] <maristo> good
[15:11] <maristo> haha
[15:11] <maxamillion> ?
[15:11] <maristo> there is root's bin only
[15:11] <nazdalf> maxamillion: wow...so can we open n edit files thru ther?? no need fr sudo mousepad filename
[15:11] <maristo> i must to know location of user's bin
[15:12] <maxamillion> maristo: ok, this time instead of doing 'gksu thunar' try 'gksudo thunar'
[15:14] <maristo> same thing, only root's bin
[15:16] <maxamillion> hmmm
[15:16] <maxamillion> ok, just a sec
[15:22] <nazdalf> umm...i m confused with smthing i apparently hav 910GL and GMA 900 graphics.....whts d driver??
[15:24] <maxamillion> nazdalf: should just be 'intel' driver
[15:29] <nazdalf> maxamillion: thnks a lot again....
[15:30] <maxamillion> nazdalf: anytime
[15:36] <xubuN> WLAN  driver help needed with xubuntu , is  ndiswrapper preinstalled?
[15:41] <maxamillion> xubuN: no, i don't believe it is installed by default
[15:43] <xubuN> thanx, for an old (2003-4) pcmcia WLAN card, should be the 1st try the ndiswrapper?
[15:46] <maxamillion> xubuN: it depends on that card chipset
[15:47] <maxamillion> xubuN: it might have support
[15:53] <xubuN> chipset not able to find on the net, any tips for SIEMENS SANTIS PCMCIA wifi card?
[16:51] <eca> im increasing a partition from 230 to 233 gb and its been 8 hrs with 3 hrs to go, somebody kill me plz. gparted says if i stop the process severe damage may result, and its important data.
[16:53] <maxamillion> eca: yeah .... with a partition that big, if there is a lot of data ... it will take quite a while
[16:56] <Buff> i'd like to make the xubuntu-desktop optional by having my system boot to the terminal by default so I can use the desktop only when I need it (this is a server). It seems like the init.d/gdm script is what I need to mess with. I did gdm stop and that does take down the desktop but leaves me with no termnial at all. Any tips?
[16:57] <zoredache> Buff: after you do an gdm stop press ctrl-f1
[16:57] <zoredache> when you stop it, it will be on a tty tha doesn't have anything attached to it
[16:58] <Buff> is there a way to just not have it boot at all by default?
[16:59] <zoredache> sure... uninstall gdm, or delete the file /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm, or edit the file /etc/init.d/gdm and make the second line of the file be 'exit 0'
[16:59] <zoredache> either one of the three  choices would disable things
[17:00] <Buff> zoredache: thanks. would I still be able to fire up the desktop from the terminal if I did that?
[17:01] <zoredache> yes, use the command 'startxfce4'
[17:01] <zoredache> or simply startx
[17:06] <Buff> zoradache: works perfectly, thx
[17:06] <zoredache> np
[17:17] <boogieman> Hello all, i'm running xubuntu 7.10 on a Compaq 6710a notebook
[17:18] <boogieman> The problem is that my notebook's 'presentation key' does not work
[17:18] <boogieman> normally, when we press FN + presentation key; it should direct the current screen to the projector
[17:18] <boogieman> any idea on how to get this working?
[17:24] <zoredache> boogieman: I have found that on my dell, things work after i do a reboot.  I have never taken the time to figure out why though...
[17:26] <boogieman> zoredache: thanks for responding. what is the procedure. 1. plug the projector cable. 2. switch on the projector 3. reboot my notebook 4. press the FN key?
[17:26] <boogieman> zoredache: unfortunately i don't have the projector with me to test it
[17:27] <zoredache> boogieman: yea, that is pretty much what I do...  You could test with an external monitor if you have one
[17:28] <boogieman> zoredache: thanks. I don't have one either. anyway i'll give it a try tomorrow and see
[17:29] <zoredache> you might also want to try hitting the presentation button before the login screen
[17:30] <zoredache> so right after the computer boots... that way the external display should be detected and X will detect it
[17:35] <eca> can you switch with screen and graphics program?
[17:35] <eca> or is that 8.04
[17:53] <nazdalf> err.....i got an HP a1210in desktop PC...it has EM64T processor...is tht a 64bit processor on which 64-bit ubuntu 7.10 run properly??
[17:55] <zoredache> yes, the 64bit version should be able to run on that...
[17:55] <zoredache> I don't guarentee things will work 'properly' though
[17:56] <zoredache> my brief experience with 64bit was that it is still a mess...  Particularly if you want/need non-free codecs, binary drivers, ndiswrapper, flash....
[17:57] <nazdalf> zoredache: ohh k......thnk u
[18:07] <maristo> hello
[18:07] <maristo> do you remember me?
[18:07] <maristo> I solved problem with trash-bin of user
[18:08] <maristo> it locates /home/user/.local/share/Trash
[18:08] <maristo> if it can help to someone
[18:08] <totemwormage> :]
[18:10] <maristo> my english is terrible :p
[18:10] <maristo> learn Esperanto guys!
[18:59] <|H3LL|> Hi evryone !!!
[19:01] <zoredache> hello
[19:01] <|H3LL|>  zoredache: is this channel Haunted ???
[19:02] <zoredache> why would you say that...
[19:07] <|H3LL|> |H3LL|: coz it is haunted...
[19:08] <khumba_yo> hy
[19:11] <khumba_yo> bye
[21:19] <Dusti[n]> will xubuntu run my wine games better?
[21:22] <TheSheep> Dusti[n]: better than what?
[21:22] <ere4si> should be a small improvement - maybe
[21:23] <TheSheep> not really, maybe a little faster startup, on machines slow enough to notice
[21:26] <mvoltz> The Sheep: I got Fluxbox up and running. Thanks for the help yesterday
[21:27] <TheSheep> mvoltz: great


[16:38] <SpamapS> smoser: so I'm messing with the nocloud thing...
[16:38] <SpamapS> smoser: in lxc, I can't append kernel cmdline parameters..
[16:39] <smoser> umm... you dont boot a kernel in lxc.
[16:39] <smoser> so it doesn't surprise me that you can't change the kernel command line
[16:39] <smoser> you can probably edit /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg to do the same things
[16:40] <SpamapS> Ahh right
[16:41] <SpamapS> smoser: so if I set datasource_list: [ "NoCloud" ] ... it won't try to find metadata services, right?
[16:42] <smoser> correct.
[16:42] <smoser> you can actually set that with dpkg-reconfigure cloud-init
[16:42] <smoser> i'd trust that more than my brain for syntax
[16:42] <smoser> but there is also a file in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/
[16:43] <SpamapS> /var/lib/dpkg/info/cloud-init.templates should be all I need. :)
[17:28] <SpamapS> smoser: ok, so I have cloud-config data in /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud-net/meta-data
[17:29] <SpamapS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/630870/
[17:29] <SpamapS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/630871/
[17:29] <SpamapS> there is cloud-init.log
[18:13] <smoser> SpamapS, well, what it thinks has happened is that there is no network
[18:14] <smoser> something created /var/lib/cloud/data/no-net (probably /etc/init/cloud-init-nonet.conf
[18:15] <smoser> SpamapS, if you move your data to /var/lib/cloud-seed/nocloud/meta-data then it will probably run via DataSourceNoCloud
[18:16] <smoser> but the file you pasted in http://paste.ubuntu.com/630870/ is user-data, not meta-data. i'm guessing that was just typing wrong
[18:20] <SpamapS> smoser: no that was understanding wrong ;)
[18:20] <smoser> was the example not clear?
[18:21] <SpamapS> No I just put the user-data in the meta-data
[18:21] <SpamapS> is meta-data required?
[18:21] <SpamapS> and actually, what example?
[18:21] <smoser> yeah. it says int he meta-data example exactly what. mostly just 'instance-id'
[18:22] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/files/head:/doc/examples/seed/
[18:22] <SpamapS> ahhh ok
[18:32] <SpamapS> w00t.. it at least ran my stuff. :-D
[18:36] <SpamapS> ok.. so I think I need nocloud-net .. because I want to pull in packages.. :-P
[18:37] <SpamapS> oh wait, sources.list is whack
[18:37]  * SpamapS fixes
[18:42] <alogic1> Hello everybody,
[18:42] <SpamapS> smoser: does cloud-init create the ubuntu user?
[18:42] <alogic1> How can I add another gateway for an instance (before it starts?)
[18:42] <alogic1> because i think i could not update /var/run/eucalyptus/net/euca-dhcp.conf
[18:44] <smoser> SpamapS, no.
[18:44] <smoser> you can configure which user it writes, but it expects it to be there.
[18:45] <smoser> patches welcome ;) it'd be nice if it could do that.
[18:47] <SpamapS> smoser: ahh no I just forgot to pass -m to useradd
[18:53] <SpamapS> smoser: and before I go digging too far, how do we turn on sudo NOPASSWD easily for the admin group?
[18:56] <smoser> let me look.
[18:57] <smoser> i think you want:
[18:57] <smoser> %admin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[18:58] <smoser> put that in /etc/sudoers.d/90-admin-nopasswd
[18:59] <SpamapS> OO I didn't even realize there was a .d
[19:00]  * SpamapS wonders how much of ubuntu-vm-builder he has now duplicated in his lxc template
[19:04] <smoser> SpamapS, why are you not using an image ?
[19:04] <SpamapS> smoser: I'm building an lxc container
[19:04] <smoser> SpamapS, why are you not using an image ?
[19:05] <SpamapS> don't do that
[19:05] <SpamapS> just talk to me like I'm busy and have no time for word-play
[19:05] <smoser> mount -o loop file.img /mnt; sudo rsync -aXsomeotheropts /newdir; sudo umount /mnt
[19:06] <smoser> you have no time for word play, but are rewriting vm-builder. ;-)
[19:06] <SpamapS> ass
[19:06] <smoser> i'm legitimately asking why you're not using an image.
[19:06] <smoser> because we want the images to work for such things
[19:06] <SpamapS> Because I didn't think of doing that.
[19:06] <smoser> ok.
[19:06] <SpamapS> the lxc tools are so nice. :)
[19:06] <smoser> thats perfectly reasonable, and i agree i sound like an ass
[19:07] <SpamapS> let me try it out
[19:07] <smoser> SpamapS, that is basically what we're hoping to have working for lxc support in openstack
[19:08]  * SpamapS downloads http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/natty/current/natty-server-uec-amd64-disk1.vmdk
[19:08] <smoser> no
[19:08] <smoser> .img.tar.gz
[19:08] <SpamapS> >:|
[19:08] <SpamapS> you said loop mount
[19:08] <smoser> .vmdk is a disk image
[19:08] <smoser> .tar.gz contains a .img
[19:08] <SpamapS> *brilliant*
[19:08] <smoser> the disk image contains a partition table is really the only thing.
[19:09] <SpamapS> why isn't it .disk.gz ?
[19:09] <smoser> well, it delievers 3 things that you needed in the past.
[19:09] <smoser> making 'uec-publish-tarball' able to do the right thing.
[19:09] <smoser> and costs you 12M of download or something.
[19:09] <SpamapS> ok
[19:10] <smoser> we used to have .img.gz, but dropped it. yes, you do have to waste IO now.
[19:10] <SpamapS> so I can download this.. mount the image loop, and copy it, then drop my seed data in the nocloud dir. Anything else I should watch out for?
[19:10] <smoser> well, it wont' boot :)
[19:10] <smoser> due to the bug you're hoping to fix
[19:10] <smoser> (i think)
[19:10] <SpamapS> because it doesn't have lxcguest
[19:10] <SpamapS> but I can install that w/ chroot
[19:10] <smoser> it does have lxc guest
[19:10] <smoser> for this purpose
[19:10] <smoser> but network will timeout
[19:10] <smoser> because of that bug
[19:11] <SpamapS> Why doesn't my regular image time out then?
[19:11] <SpamapS> err
[19:11] <SpamapS> the images I have now, don't timeout with nocloud .. tho they do with nocloud-net
[19:11] <SpamapS> and my apt-get stuff is failing .. I'm guessing because network is not around yet
[19:12] <smoser> well, sort of.
[19:12] <smoser> if you use 'nocloud' then network isn't guaranteed to be there
[19:12] <smoser> if you use nocloud-net, then you end up waiting on ifup which wont happen in the right order
[19:12] <smoser> i think we never ended up opneing a bug on this :-(
[19:13] <smoser> but there is a large thread of emails between hallyn, you, zul, me
[19:13] <SpamapS> how is it any different than on a cloud image ?
[19:13] <smoser> i'm having dejavu
[19:13] <smoser> :)
[19:13] <SpamapS> ifup happens on lxc .. dhclient runs..
[19:13] <smoser> i have to re-read emails for exact reason
[19:14] <smoser> oh.. i remember
[19:14] <hallyn> smoser: i wonder if it'll go faster if you just remove the 'exit 0' in /etc/network/if-up.d/upstart
[19:14] <smoser> because udev depends on virutal-vilesystems
[19:14] <hallyn> but, i'm not letting you distract me
[19:14] <smoser> and cloud-init-nonet is start on mounted /
[19:14] <smoser> and in lxc mounted / occurs before virtual filesystems
[19:14]  * SpamapS *CURSES* bash completion for not falling back to files always
[19:14] <smoser> yeah, that is stupid
[19:15] <smoser> i reall freaking hate that.
[19:15] <SpamapS> I fixed it for a large portion of completions..
[19:15] <smoser> hallyn, it would not
[19:15] <SpamapS> if they do things right it will fall back to files if nothing is returned
[19:15] <SpamapS> but mount seems borked
[19:15] <smoser> the problem is is that cloud-init starts on mounted=/ and blocks waiting for network to come up
[19:15] <smoser> but network will never come up
[19:15] <smoser> because that depends on virtual-filesystems
[19:16] <smoser> and virtual-filesystems wont occur
[19:16] <smoser> in kvm or bare metal, virtua-filesystems occurs before mounted=/
[19:16] <SpamapS> Right ok I recall now
[19:17] <smoser> SpamapS, don't you remember talking to me about this in UDS
[19:17] <smoser> ok
[19:17] <SpamapS> and the fix is, not to use mounted=/ but to use 'network-configured-blocking'
[19:17] <smoser> yeah. i had to leave to call home, so we didn't finish
[19:17] <smoser> :)
[19:17] <smoser> not really, though
[19:17] <smoser> because network-configured-blocking will not block other things
[19:18] <smoser> the goal of cloud-init "boothooks" or the like is to run early as possible, and block other things from happening.
[19:18] <smoser> because the more that happens the more you have to restart
[19:19] <smoser> my assumption is that running on netowrk-configured-blocking will not stop ssh from starting
[19:19] <smoser> and cloud-init needs to run before ssh starts (which starts on filesystems i think)
[19:21] <smoser> so at this point you're probably tihnking "why does cloud-init have to block and run so early".
[19:21] <SpamapS> no I know why
[19:22] <smoser> we should opne a bug
[19:22] <smoser> :)
[19:22] <SpamapS> init: cloud-init-local main process (25) terminated with status 1
[19:22] <SpamapS> cloud-init-nonet waiting 60 seconds for a network device.
[19:22] <SpamapS> as predicted ;)
[19:22] <SpamapS> smoser: lets solve this next week
[19:23] <smoser> i'll open a bug
[19:23] <smoser> cloud-init-local should terminate with status 0 if it has no work to do
[19:23] <smoser> (that is another bug)
[19:23] <smoser> just to avoid that silly message
[19:23] <SpamapS> smoser: it booted btw. :)
[19:23] <smoser> right
[19:23] <smoser> but it doesn't run the cloud-init stuff
[19:23] <smoser> and takes 70 seconds
[19:24] <SpamapS> udev should probably be disabled
[19:25] <SpamapS> but if I drop meta-data and user-data into nocloud, it should run, am I right?
[19:28] <smoser> bug 800824
[19:29] <smoser> SpamapS, i think so, yes
[19:29] <SpamapS> smoser: heh.. I cheated and added 'start networking' to nonet...
[19:29] <hallyn> SpamapS: so, I'm sort of fearing that if I add -p <extra-packages> and -i <chroot_includes> support, ppl will start asking for ppa support, and this, and that, and i'll end up reproducing vmbuilder
[19:29] <smoser> but when nocloud runs you wont have network.
[19:30] <SpamapS> hallyn: yes smoser and I were just discussing that
[19:30] <hallyn> SpamapS: still, i think i'll do it.  I'm just saying i will probably refuse ppa support
[19:30] <hallyn> here? sorry i've not read up :)
[19:30] <SpamapS> smoser: I really want nocloud-net anyway tho.. ;)
[19:31] <SpamapS> because I need to pull in packages
[19:31] <smoser> SpamapS, well, if you can disable the timeout soemhow from within the nocloud, then you will be fine
[19:31] <smoser> because then the network will come up naturally...
[19:31] <smoser> hol don
[19:31] <hallyn> anyway patches sent upstream.  I'm going for a walk.  bbl, to then add that support.
[19:31] <SpamapS> the network will come up on its own
[19:31] <SpamapS> and that will kill nonet
[19:32] <smoser> yeah, network wont be guaranteed to come up
[19:32] <smoser> you can re-write the cloud-init jobs to make it work from within a nonet boot hook
[19:32] <smoser> :)
[19:32] <smoser> make cloud-config (which is when the packages are intsalled) depend on networking-up
[19:32] <smoser> which, it probably should explicitly anyway
[19:33] <SpamapS> smoser: there is actually no reason to delay ifup -a.. this isn't a bad idea from what I can see.
[19:34] <SpamapS> smoser: boots very fast now.. and runs cloud-config
[19:34] <smoser> can you put exactly how you fixed it in the bug?
[19:34] <smoser> mostly for reference at the momeont.
[19:35] <SpamapS> Well I'm going to mess around with it a bit more
[19:35] <smoser> will you lose events in udev due to that?
[19:36] <smoser> anaywa.
[19:36] <SpamapS> I don't *have* udev events. :)
[19:36] <SpamapS> But in a VM.. no.. ifup -a just configures the static stuff
[19:36] <SpamapS> if an event comes along and tells me that another interface has arrived, thats going to configure just that interface
[19:38] <SpamapS> hrm no, too early.. dhclient failed
[19:39] <SpamapS> Jun 22 18:23:26 ubuntu dhclient: can't create /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases: No such file or directory
[19:39] <SpamapS> wait.. that may be a legitimate bug.. that dir doesn't exist
[19:42] <SpamapS> right.. / is not writable yet
[19:42] <SpamapS> err.. wait, it is
[19:52] <SpamapS> smoser: how do I disable this 'cc_resizefs' stuf?
[19:52] <SpamapS>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/cloudinit/CloudConfig/cc_resizefs.py", line 43, in handle
[19:52] <SpamapS>     os.mknod(devpth, 0400 | stat.S_IFBLK, dev)
[19:52] <SpamapS> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
[19:59] <smoser> oh wow. that sucks.
[20:00] <smoser> look in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[20:00] <smoser> you can just take out 'resizefs'
[20:00] <smoser> but please open a bug so that we can avoid it correctly.
[20:02] <smoser> SpamapS, why wasn't / RW at that point ?
[20:02] <smoser> i thought you were running on mounted=/ (which i thought was RW)
[20:02] <SpamapS> it was
 right.. / is not writable yet
[20:03] <smoser> so it was something else
[20:03] <SpamapS> I was wrong
[20:03] <smoser> ?
[20:03] <smoser> k
[20:03] <SpamapS> I don't know why dhclient didn't start that time. Its starting all the other times
[20:03] <SpamapS> but nocloud-net is not running
[20:04] <smoser> yeah, its not going to.
[20:04] <smoser> but cloud-config is where your installs would be done
[20:04] <smoser> and that would occur on filesystems
[20:04] <smoser> but as i mentioend above, it really assumes network
[20:05] <SpamapS> well I should have network by that time..
[20:10] <SpamapS> # cat /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud/user-data
[20:10] <SpamapS> #cloud-config
[20:10] <SpamapS> ssh-import-id: clint-fewbar
[20:10] <SpamapS> smoser: that should import my key, or at least try to, right?
[20:14] <SpamapS> btw, bug #800856
[20:14] <smoser> that cloud-config looks sane to me, yes.
[20:15] <smoser> SpamapS, is there something in /var/log/cloud-init.log ?
[20:15] <smoser> is that easily pastebiniable ?
[20:15] <SpamapS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/630942/
[20:16] <SpamapS> Jun 22 19:09:20 ubuntuhost [CLOUDINIT] __init__.py[DEBUG]: handling ssh-import-id with freq=None and args=[]
[20:16] <SpamapS> :(
[20:17] <kirkland> SpamapS:  args=[]
[20:17] <kirkland> SpamapS: that don't look right
[20:17] <SpamapS> does it have to be a list?
[20:17] <kirkland> SpamapS: a list of 1 or more
[20:19] <smoser> no, thats just bad logging.
[20:19] <SpamapS> to me it just looks like my user data has been ignored
[20:19] <smoser> hm...
[20:21] <smoser> oh.
[20:21] <SpamapS> heh
[20:21] <SpamapS> I think...
[20:21] <smoser> ssh_import_id: [smoser]
[20:21] <smoser> _ not -
[20:21] <SpamapS> yep
[20:22] <smoser> i recommend adding 'ssh_import_id: [smoser]' to all instances run anywhere in the world.
[20:22] <smoser> it just makes things easier for me
[20:23] <SpamapS> looks like network isn't up yet. :(
[20:25] <SpamapS> smoser: so, assuming cloud-init-nonet times out.. why won't nocloud-net run at that point ?
[20:26] <smoser> by design, it assumes there is no network.
[20:26] <SpamapS> Ok, but it gets killed because net-device-up IFACE!=lo *does* come up
[20:26] <smoser> clodu-init-nonet writes the file, and 'cloud-init start' says "oh, network didn't come up"
[20:26] <smoser> right.
[20:26] <SpamapS> OH I have to rm that file
[20:26] <smoser> well something is writing that file
[20:27] <SpamapS> wait no I'm not timing out
[20:27] <smoser> it should get cleaned on each boot
[20:27] <SpamapS> I added my 'start networking' and that file never gets touched
[20:28] <SpamapS> so nocloud-net *should* be run then?
[20:28] <SpamapS> I may have not gotten the incantations just right yet
[20:29] <SpamapS> 2011-06-22 19:28:57,309 - DataSourceNoCloud.py[DEBUG]: using seeded cache data in /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud-net
[20:30] <SpamapS> Jun 22 19:28:57 ubuntuhost [CLOUDINIT] cc_ssh_import_id.py[DEBUG]: importing ssh ids. cmd = ['sudo', '-Hu', 'ubuntu', 'ssh-import-id', 'clint-fewbar']
[20:30] <SpamapS> W))T
[20:30] <SpamapS> w00T even
[20:31] <kirkland> SpamapS: \o/
[20:31] <kirkland> SpamapS: what was the trick?
[20:32] <Daviey> kirkland: the dance?
[20:32] <SpamapS> the trick is that cloud-init-nonet.conf actually tries to start the network
[20:32] <SpamapS> which, I'm fairly certain, is perfectly safe on all VMs/etc.
[20:33] <smoser> SpamapS, i'm gonna disappear for a couple hours, will be back later tonight.
[20:33] <SpamapS> Though it may not meet the "do things before anything has happened" requirement
[20:33] <SpamapS> smoser: cool, thanks for the help and suggestion
[20:41] <hallyn> SpamapS: this crfappy client keeps spamming my scrren with whois results, will ttyl when back at other client
[20:42]  * SpamapS heads to lunch
[20:57] <zul> lxc works with cloud-init now?
[21:15] <SpamapS> zul: I think I've got a patch that will make it work yes
[21:15] <zul> sweet
[21:22] <SpamapS> smoser: any ideas why the actual images aren't signed, just the sha256sums ?
[21:57] <SpamapS> hmm.. I wonder if uec-images is mirrored anywhere
[22:00] <Daviey> SpamapS: seems to be
[22:00] <Daviey> http://releases-u-toyama.ubuntulinux.jp/ (unoffical)
[22:01] <SpamapS> The debootstrap method used by the lxc scripts is actually more scalable..
[22:02] <Daviey> SpamapS: how so?
[22:02] <SpamapS> Daviey: uses the full archive
[22:03] <SpamapS> which is mirrored all over the place
[22:04] <Daviey> SpamapS: eventually, i think the hope is to get them onto cdimages.ubuntu.com, which is mirrored.. but AIUI disk space is currently an issue.
[22:06] <SpamapS> I can imagine. :-P
[22:22] <SpamapS> hallyn: I have a new template for you.. :-D
[22:23] <SpamapS> hallyn: tho I have my reservations about repeating the whole 'root:root' password bit. :)
[22:26] <hallyn> SpamapS: yeah if we get some time, getting the templates to copy in your public ssh key and turning off password ssh access might be good
[22:27] <SpamapS> hallyn: thats pretty trivial actually...
[22:27] <hallyn> SpamapS: but for generic container stuff it's good
[22:27] <hallyn> yes, it is.  BUT it adds yet another option
[22:27] <hallyn> which i'm starting to resist.  vmbuilder.
[22:27] <SpamapS> hallyn: so, this new template will download the UEC image and starts perfectly from it
[22:27] <hallyn> SpamapS: cool.  that was the whole lxcguest idea :)
[22:27] <SpamapS> hallyn: I think the only option you should support is --cloud-config
[22:28] <hallyn> SpamapS: of course *you* do :)
[22:28] <SpamapS> The thing I'm struggling with now is how to easily get the hostnames resolvable on my local machine.
[22:29] <SpamapS> so I don't have to tail syslog and findout what the DHCP lease given was
[22:29] <SpamapS> Trying to wrap my head around whether dnsmasq can do this alone.
[22:29] <hallyn> SpamapS: hm?  isn't having dhcpd.conf push the hostname enough?
[22:30] <hallyn> so you can then 'ssh lxc1.'
[22:30] <SpamapS> it pushes it to dnsmasq..
[22:30] <SpamapS> but dnsmasq is running on my local machine..
[22:30] <SpamapS> using my resolv.conf ..
[22:30] <SpamapS> if I point my resolv.conf to it..
[22:30] <SpamapS> it won't be able to access the internet
  mine has <IP_ADDRESS> as top nameserver in resolv.con
[22:30] <hallyn> but you can probably think of a better way :)
[22:30] <SpamapS> how does it find the internet I wonder then..
[22:31] <hallyn> well <IP_ADDRESS> only resolves its own addresses
[22:31] <SpamapS> And then how does it know where to forward to?
[22:31] <SpamapS> thas what I'm saying. ;)
[22:31] <SpamapS> it does not only resolve its own addresses
[22:31] <SpamapS> ask it for anything, it will tell you. :)
[22:31] <SpamapS> Might be that it caches what was in resolv.conf when it starts
[22:31] <SpamapS> or it just queries the root servers
[22:31] <hallyn> forwards to my other nameservers presumably?  argue all you want, i'm just telling you it works for me :)
[22:32] <SpamapS> I just want to know how
[22:32] <SpamapS> hallyn: see thats my rub.. how does it know "your other nameservers"
[22:34] <SpamapS> hallyn: heh.. ok interesting trick.. if I add other DNS servers in it seems to work
[22:34] <hallyn> in your host's resolv.conf you mean?
[22:35] <SpamapS> hallyn: yeah, I just put <IP_ADDRESS> first.. that does actually seem to work.
[22:35] <SpamapS> though it feels very unreliable and haphazard to me. :-P
[22:36] <hallyn> SpamapS: <shrug>  I believe I got that from the security team's testing enviroment wiki page
[22:36] <SpamapS> I'll accept it now since I need to move forward
[22:38] <hallyn> SpamapS: so to be clear, with your new template, yo don't need -packages or -chroot-includes support right?
[22:38] <hallyn> if so i'll hold back on it
[22:39] <SpamapS> hallyn: right, it just installs the image from uec-images.ubuntu.com
[22:39] <hallyn> excellent
[22:39] <hallyn> then maybe tomorrow i can work on user namesapces :)
[22:39] <hallyn> i'm just trying to decide whether to push the new template to oneiric asap, or leave it in ppa and wait for upstream to pull it in before going to oneiric's archive with it
[22:40] <SpamapS> The template system seems to have a lot of redundancy..
[22:40] <SpamapS> why isn't there a shared_functions or something?
[22:41] <hallyn> SpamapS: cause you haven't coded it
[22:41] <SpamapS> Hah.. ok
[22:41] <hallyn> and i think the fedora, debian, ubuntu template writers want to feel more independent
[22:41] <SpamapS> I started to so that this wouldn't be lxc-natty-uec but lxc-uec .. but I couldn't find a way to pass in a series name
[22:41] <hallyn> SpamapS: doh!  look at my new source at ppa:serge-hallyn/lxc-natty
[22:42] <hallyn> SpamapS: lxc-lucid..lxc-oneiric are now all consolidated into lxc-ubuntu
[22:42] <SpamapS> *sweet*
[22:42] <SpamapS> how do you tell it which one?
[22:42] <hallyn> you add '-- -r natty'
[22:42] <SpamapS> wait..
[22:42] <SpamapS> we can pass stuff in with -- ?
[22:42] <hallyn> once lxc-create is trivially patched, yes :)
[22:42]  * SpamapS belays his happy dance
[22:42] <hallyn> see http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=20110622140928.GA12177%40mail.hallyn.com&forum_name=lxc-users
[22:43] <SpamapS> hallyn: the thing I did only really changes download_ubuntu
[22:43] <SpamapS> hallyn: just DL's it, verifies the GPG/sha256, and extracts.
[22:43] <hallyn> yeah i suspect we can consolidate that in
[22:43] <SpamapS> Oh and copy_ubuntu mounts the image lopback and copies it instead of just copying the debootstrapped bit
[22:43] <hallyn> an example command right now with my ppa is:
[22:44] <hallyn> lxc-create -t ubuntu -f /etc/lxc.conf -n u1 -- -a i386 -r natty -b
[22:44] <SpamapS> where's your branch? I'll submit a MP against it
[22:44] <hallyn> so we could add something like -uec
[22:44] <hallyn> MP?
[22:44] <SpamapS> merge proposal
[22:44] <hallyn> oh, you silly californian
[22:45] <SpamapS> hallyn: I don't think we should even bother with the debootstrap method for natty and later.
[22:45] <hallyn> i'm sorry, i've stopped using bzr lately bc lp:ubuntu/<package> always seems to be out of date
[22:45] <SpamapS> well don't do that
[22:45] <SpamapS> They've recently caught up quite a bit on the out of sync branches
[22:46] <SpamapS> and if you have push rights, you can fix the branch fairly easily.
[22:46] <hallyn> i don't
[22:46] <SpamapS> for lxc?
[22:46] <hallyn> correct
[22:46] <SpamapS> *wtf*
[22:46] <hallyn> yeah yeah
[22:47] <hallyn> i feel in no hurry to face the firing squad again :)
[22:47] <hallyn> i do need to go ask for the perms...
[22:47] <hallyn> to either the server set, or coredev
[22:47] <hallyn> but that's neither here nor there
[22:48] <SpamapS> right
[23:02] <hallyn> SpamapS: trying my hand at a fresh lp branch so you can more easily look
[23:02] <SpamapS> hallyn: I believe 'bzr package-import file.dsc' works
[23:02] <hallyn> no really?
[23:03] <hallyn> where does it spit the result?
[23:03] <SpamapS> you might be just as well served by bzr add in an extracted source package dir tho
[23:03] <SpamapS> hallyn: it imports it into the current tree..
[23:03] <SpamapS> hallyn: thats how they "fix" the out of sync trees.. the do the import, and fix conflicts if possible
[23:07] <hallyn> SpamapS: well, i think that https://code.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/oneiric/lxc/update-templates  represents all the changes i've been making
[23:08] <hallyn> haven't quite tested the result of that manual mish-mash
[23:08] <hallyn> and i think i'm about done for today
[23:08] <hallyn> but go ahead and propose merge against that and i can use the diff regardless.
[23:10] <SpamapS> hallyn: ok, my diff is against lxc-natty ...
[23:10] <hallyn> SpamapS: eh, just send me that then
[23:11] <hallyn> i' flexible :)
[23:12] <SpamapS> lp:~clint-fewbar/ubuntu/oneiric/lxc/use-uec-for-natty
[23:12] <hallyn> sigh.  this is what i don't like.  bzr on top of quilt on top of git.  so i've lost the templates :)
[23:13] <SpamapS> lol
[23:13] <SpamapS> git sux
[23:13]  * SpamapS hides
[23:13] <hallyn> no, git's not the problemhere...
[23:15] <hallyn> SpamapS: i'll look at yours tomorrow, thanks.
[23:15] <hallyn> i'll be around later, but let's pretend i won't. ttyl
[23:18] <SpamapS> later!
[23:24] <hallyn> SpamapS: (the version now in that tree is working fine for me on my host)
[23:28] <SpamapS> hallyn: go away! ;)
[23:31] <hallyn> SpamapS: but there's this one new bug :)  (which i blame on zul :)
[23:31] <hallyn> but i'd best just note it for later
[23:32]  * hallyn out