[13:24] <inetpro> fp
[21:21] <dlPhreak> Is apt broken in 16.04.1?
[21:21] <dlPhreak> I can hardly install anything.
[21:28] <inetpro> dlPhreak: what repository?
[21:29] <dlPhreak> ubuntu main
[21:31] <inetpro> egrep -v "^#|^$" /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:31] <inetpro> I use http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ and all seems fine
[21:32] <dlPhreak> mine is all http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[21:33] <dlPhreak> I get these sort of errors curl : Depends: libcurl3-gnutls (= 7.47.0-1ubuntu2) but 7.47.0-1ubuntu2.1 is to be installed
[21:33] <dlPhreak> with many packages
[21:34] <dlPhreak> I'm trying to install steam and that just leaves a bunch of unresolved dependencies.
[21:36] <inetpro> hmm...
[21:36] <dlPhreak> Oh well I'll try again tomorrow.
[21:37] <inetpro> maybe try the no-cache option
[21:37] <inetpro> sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=true
[21:38] <dlPhreak> I'll give it a try.
[21:40] <inetpro> and for debugging you can always do this as well... -o Debug::Acquire::http=true
[21:40] <dlPhreak> Doesn't seem to work.
[21:40] <dlPhreak> I'll try with debug.
[21:42] <inetpro> but looks like the repository might just be out of sync... trying later or tomorrow may help
[21:43] <inetpro> or maybe just submit a bug report to be sure
[21:44] <dlPhreak> I'll try again in the morning. Thanks inetpro
[21:44] <inetpro> you're welcome


[11:16] <benonsoftware> Hi all
[11:16] <benonsoftware> Sorry but I don't think I'll be able to come to tomarrows meeting
[20:10] <c7p> hello all
[21:01] <rickfosb> hello all.  sorry I'm late
[21:01] <hannie> hi everyone
[21:02] <hannie> 1 second late, shame on you ;)
[21:02] <godbyk> hey, rickfosb, hannie.
[21:02] <hannie> hi godbyk
[21:02] <rickfosb> godbyk: hey!
[21:02] <hannie> hi c7p
[21:04] <rickfosb> hi c7p
[21:04] <hannie> rickfosb, I have added a few things to the spreadsheet's proposed outline (ubunru-desktop)
[21:04] <hannie> *ubuntu
[21:04] <rickfosb> great, hannie, I'll take a look
[21:05] <rickfosb> I think I'm going to be ready for winter: way too many things going on around here. :-)
[21:05] <godbyk> do you want this to be a formal meeting (i.e., using MootBot) or an informal one?
[21:05] <rickfosb> We have an agenda, lets log this one.
[21:05] <godbyk> 'kay.
[21:06] <godbyk> #startmeeting
[21:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:06. The chair is godbyk.
[21:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:06] <godbyk> [TOPIC] Status of 11.04 Ubuntu Manual
[21:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status of 11.04 Ubuntu Manual
[21:06] <godbyk> So... what is our status?
[21:07] <rickfosb> I see that we made some progress a week or so back, especially with our working sessions. ...,
[21:07] <rickfosb> However,  I realized that some of the actions noted in the spreadsheet, dont' seem to have been 'pushed'
[21:07] <godbyk> Right now we're still working toward M3?
[21:07] <godbyk> [LINK] Meeting agenda: http://ietherpad.com/lxgwiK08tE
[21:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  Meeting agenda: http://ietherpad.com/lxgwiK08tE
[21:08] <rickfosb> godbyk: yes M3
[21:08] <c7p> hey all
[21:08] <godbyk> Hey, c7p.
[21:08] <hannie> hi c7p
[21:09] <rickfosb> I 'think' we're down to 7 or 8 regulars and some of the authors and editors that are shown, did some early work 'in the spreadsheet' at least, but not in the tex files we have.
[21:09] <rickfosb> hey c7p
[21:10] <godbyk> rickfosb: Do you have the link to the spreadsheet handy?
[21:10] <c7p> rickfosb: have you any feedback from the authors ? you sent them all an email
[21:10] <rickfosb> sure standby
[21:11] <hannie> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=CNDambUJ&key=0AtkeORuPIMxsdGtWRXlvdHB4bktTNkF5LTNwWU5KQnc&hl=en_US&authkey=CNDambUJ#gid=6
[21:11] <rickfosb> none;  I sent two mails, one to ubuntu-manual, and one to the individuals
[21:11] <rickfosb> thanks hannie
[21:11] <godbyk> rickfosb: thanks.
[21:12] <hannie> rickfosb, you did not get feedback on those emails?
[21:12] <c7p> :/
[21:12] <rickfosb> for instance, if you look at hardware preferences, there are lots of notations, but unless I'm missing it, I don't see it in the tex files.  No, hannie,  no feedback
[21:13] <rickfosb> We had a couple of folks, formally leave for work load reasons.
[21:14] <hannie> I see no names on the Hardware Preferences sheets, does that mean nobody is working on those subjects?
[21:14] <godbyk> I've been out of the loop for a little bit.  So people are making suggestions/reporting bugs in this spreadsheet, but no one has corrected the .tex files.  Is that correct?
[21:15] <c7p> this is getting frustrating
[21:15] <rickfosb> the names are in the first tab.  I don't generally 'type' on the chapter tabs so the original team made those remarks... godbyk, correct
[21:15] <c7p> godbyk: yes
[21:16] <hannie> I see Chris as one of the authors. It's a pity he is not here
[21:16] <rickfosb> I suppose, we could tackle a chapter a week (the small group); but I hate to do it that way...,
[21:17] <godbyk> Has all of the content been written?
[21:17] <c7p> yea
[21:17] <hannie> By the time we're finished we will be in Oneiric
[21:17] <rickfosb> I think prologue just needs a re read and done, same with chap 1 and 2
[21:18] <godbyk> If most of the items in the spreadsheet are just 'change this text to this other text', then I can modify the .tex files fairly quickly.
[21:18] <rickfosb> The other chapters probably need less work; but I've not gone through them like i did with 1 and 2
[21:18] <godbyk> I don't know that I have time to write new content at the moment, though.
[21:18] <c7p> i have some time, but my ubuntu pc is broken :/
[21:19] <rickfosb> godbyk: same problem here...  real job is taking 10 - 11 hours / day... so, I've been stretched recently
[21:20] <rickfosb> the writers show trouble shooting as finished;  I'll need to verify their text. maybe they pushed it very early
[21:21] <c7p> maybe we could "cut" the advanced topics so the manual will become more viable
[21:21] <hannie> rickfosb, do we need a reshuffle of tasks?
[21:21] <c7p> troubleshooting needs a section for unity btw
[21:21] <rickfosb> hannie, we could try that with a note to the mail list.
[21:22] <c7p> i think hannie is right, since authors don't seem alive :P
[21:23] <godbyk> There have only been 40 commits to the repository so far: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/natty/changes
[21:23] <rickfosb> OK,  I will send one on one emails tonight to each of the 'missing in action' folks.  Those who do not respond, I'll move to the 'quiet' list. and See about re assigning those of us who do respond
[21:23] <hannie> I wanted to suggest to let editors of one chapter read chapters of others
[21:23] <hannie> but I think we do not have enough active people to do so
[21:24] <rickfosb> Did you guys see this: http://netsplit.com/2011/09/08/new-ubuntu-release-process/
[21:25] <rickfosb> Disscusses shortened release process...  talk about between a rock and a hard place
[21:25] <rickfosb> :)
[21:26] <rickfosb> I'll take the action of doing one on one emails to authors and editors to see whose 'alive';  I'll use the mailing list to inform you guys of movement on the chapters.  hannie, have you pushed the changes to ch2 you wanted to make?
[21:27] <godbyk> That'd certainly make things more... interesting. :)
[21:27] <c7p> seems interesting i've read the half article
[21:27] <godbyk> rickfosb: If you need someone to go through that spreadsheet and push bug fixes to the .tex files, I'm happy to help with that.
[21:27] <hannie> rickfosb, I sent you the .tex file because I wanted to let a "native speaker" have a look at my suggestions
[21:28] <rickfosb> for us to get on a six month cycle, we'd need to leverage our work; make the manual highly linked to existing text elsewhere i suspect
[21:28] <godbyk> rickfosb: I think that's a good idea.  I think that we also need to do a lot better job of (a) getting a lot more people involved, and (b) making it a lot easier for people to write and edit the content.
[21:28] <rickfosb> godbyk Sure, pick a chapter and we'll leave as is until you're ready for some help
[21:29] <rickfosb> godbyk; agree with making it easy to submit content
[21:29] <hannie> +1
[21:30] <godbyk> rickfosb: I can take a look at the hardware chapter first.
[21:30] <c7p> +1
[21:30] <rickfosb> What about a wiki version of the manual - that we would use as source for the actual tex files?  people seem to love 'tweaking' wiki pages... might be a mess thought
[21:31] <godbyk> Toward the goal of making it easier to submit/edit content, I think that moving to a web-based editing system would be helpful.  Unfortunately, this entails finding some competent web developers to help us out.
[21:31] <rickfosb> *though
[21:31] <hannie> godbyk, what about having people send in just plain text and let others do the fancy things like adding code and the like?
[21:31] <godbyk> rickfosb: Ben Humphrey and I had originally thought of having a wiki system that was moderated and also imposed a little structure.  We never got around to implementing any of it, though.
[21:31] <rickfosb> godbyk agree.  and the hosting
[21:32] <godbyk> hannie: That'd be fine, too.  I'm happy to handle the market.
[21:32] <godbyk> I think we need to find ways to enable drive-by editing and commenting.
[21:32] <c7p> godbyk: could we use google docs somehow ?
[21:32] <rickfosb> godbyk +1
[21:32] <godbyk> I should be able to quickly fix errors, point out bugs, suggest new content, etc. as I'm reading the manual.
[21:33] <godbyk> At the same time (as long as I'm dreaming), I'd like to see this tightly coupled to a translation system that works much better than our current translation process.
[21:33] <rickfosb> I dont' want to loose site of this, and yet want to complete natty...,  Are there any 'launchpad' type tools to help kick off the wiki?
[21:34] <rickfosb> or a wiki like page?
[21:34] <godbyk> rickfosb: I'm not aware of any Launchpad tools for wiki stuff, though they may exist.
[21:34] <c7p> godbyk: i have a plan in my mind about the translation system what can be done, i'll share them soon as long as they become a complete answer
[21:34] <hannie> I have a very weird idea: why don't we skip Natty and inmediately start working on Oneiric?
[21:35] <godbyk> I don't think we want to just have a wiki site, either, as then we're just duplicating help.ubuntu.com.
[21:35] <rickfosb> I'll go peek around and see what's there.  I don't even mind 'hosting' the site if that's what it takes.
[21:35] <rickfosb> Do we want to vote on hannie's weird idea?  (not all that weird)
[21:36] <godbyk> rickfosb: Something else we can do to get comments/edits on our PDF is to upload it to http://a.nnotate.com/.
[21:36] <rickfosb> I noted that there will be no Dutch translation due to lateness of our work here.
[21:36] <godbyk> That site allows people to view the PDF via the website and click to add a comment on the PDF pages.  Then we can incorporate those into the .tex files.
[21:36] <hannie> true
[21:37] <c7p> to be honest, ignore translations, who will read a manual of a previous Ubuntu release ?
[21:37] <rickfosb> godbyk I've not seen that before.  easy to implement?  c7p :-))
[21:37] <c7p> oneiric is right on the corner
[21:37] <hannie> c7p and who will read natty when we are almost in oneiric
[21:38] <c7p> hannie: that's what is said :P
[21:38] <godbyk> rickfosb: I'm not sure what the costs are now, but it's something they host. So you just sign up, upload the pdf, and let people point out all your typos.
[21:38] <rickfosb> hey i bought maverick!   (but my names in the index :)) )
[21:38] <godbyk> rickfosb: It's easy to add notes to the PDFs on the site. I've used it when I was helping edit a textbook.
[21:38] <hannie> c7p I mean the English version, not the translation
[21:38] <rickfosb> oh.. -- think we'd need a more Ubuntu specific group of readers!
[21:39] <c7p> hannie: me too
[21:39] <godbyk> as far as translations go, I think the biggest problem is that our tools basically invalidate the previous editions translated text because they're not smart enough to point out that some of the changes are minor and may not even require re-translation.
[21:39] <rickfosb> Semi-fearless leader here:  what do we want to do
[21:40] <godbyk> Well, if we decide to skip the natty release, when can we start on onieric?
[21:41] <c7p> maybe we shouldn't rush :D
[21:41] <hannie> godbyk, it works (partly) with the ubuntu-docs, I mean transferring translations to a newer version
[21:41] <rickfosb> godbyk: wouldn't we need to start, now? with the current tex files and some sort of view to the new software
[21:41] <c7p> i think first we have to change somehow the function of the project/the process of writing
[21:42] <rickfosb> c7p +/-1
[21:42] <hannie> godbyk, it only needs installation of the beta version of oneiric
[21:42] <c7p> godbyk and rickfosb through some ideas before
[21:42] <rickfosb> can i triple boot? I'm already dual
[21:42] <godbyk> rickfosb: certainly we'd need to bring things up to date that are still written for maverick.  is oneiric at a state where things have settled enough that we're comfortable writing about it?
[21:42] <hannie> rickfosb, how about virtualBox?
[21:43] <rickfosb> hannie virtualBox?
[21:43] <c7p> yeah virtualbox is a good solution if your machine is strong
[21:43] <rickfosb> oh! gotcha
[21:43] <hannie> rickfosb, you can install oneiric beta in a virtual machine
[21:44] <godbyk> I think that if we skip the natty release, we should spend some of that time fixing our project's structure (e.g., finding participants, improving the process, etc.).  otherwise I fear we'll be in the same boat again a few months later.
[21:44] <rickfosb> I might could push the old box to do that...,
[21:44] <rickfosb> godbyk +1
[21:45] <c7p> totally ! +1
[21:45] <rickfosb> To that end: we need a process that allows for moderated drive by authoring/editing
[21:45] <c7p> even if we published natty we would have to look on these issues
[21:45] <rickfosb> some 'key' individual die hards that we can trust to stay on top of things
[21:46] <godbyk> rickfosb: agreed.
[21:46] <c7p> yeah
[21:46] <rickfosb> and the promise of all the ice cream you can eat for completing your content on time :)
[21:46] <godbyk> heh
[21:46] <c7p> well i think everyone here has ideas
[21:47] <rickfosb> It'd melt by the time I ship from Texas
[21:47] <hannie> discipline!
[21:47] <rickfosb> my kind of girl!  ;)
[21:47] <godbyk> So I guess the current question is: Do we drop natty?
[21:47] <c7p> maybe we could write them down organise them a bit and concetrate them on the next meeting
[21:47] <hannie> I suggested it, so I am for it
[21:48] <godbyk> I'm fairly ambivalent about it, to be honest.
[21:48] <rickfosb> I agree;
[21:48] <hannie> godbyk, what's your problem?
[21:48] <rickfosb> I hate to 'lose' the work done, but dont' want to spend the next 5 years 1.5 releases behind
[21:49] <godbyk> hannie: No problem. I just don't have an opinion on the matter one way or another.
[21:50] <godbyk> I'm eager to try to reboot/revitalize the project, however. I still think it has a lot of merit.
[21:50] <hannie> I think at this moment we ask too much of a very small group of people (especially Rick)
[21:50] <rickfosb> godbyk, is there an html to latex tool?  I love the look and feel of the pdf and am concerned that drive by could break that
[21:50] <godbyk> rickfosb: There are ways to convert from html to latex, yeah.
[21:50] <rickfosb> not me;  I'm just hearding cats most of the time... (smile)
[21:51] <rickfosb> thanks, godbyk, just thinking ahead
[21:51] <hannie> godbyk, doesn't LibreOffice writer has the possibility to write pdf?
[21:51] <hannie> *have
[21:51] <godbyk> I think when the project first started, we had a lot of excitement and momentum because, well, it was new.  Lots of people love writing new content and being able to claim they're a writer/author.
[21:52] <godbyk> But now that a lot of text has been written, no one wants to take on the boring job of merely editing/updating it.
[21:52] <rickfosb> then it gets to be work
[21:52] <godbyk> hannie: I think it does, though I don't think the result is as good as latex generates.
[21:53] <c7p> btw authors dont have to write in latex, i can convert their content/text to latex
[21:53] <godbyk> Right now if someone notices a typo in the manual or a section that's out of date, they have to install TeX Live (a 2 GB download), grab our code from bzr, learn latex, modify the .tex file, and push the changes back.  That's a *lot* of work.
[21:53] <godbyk> (Alternatively, they could file a bug, but I don't think many people have been doing that.)
[21:53] <rickfosb> not many
[21:53] <godbyk> Have many of our authors been taking us up on that option, c7p?
[21:54] <godbyk> Our process and toolchain is a bit of hack.  We just mashed together the tools we could find at the time that would get the job done.
[21:54] <c7p> i dont think they know that i offer to do this
[21:55] <c7p> +1
[21:55] <rickfosb> Do we want to take the issue to the 'greater' team at large or make a decision on natty here?
[21:55] <godbyk> I think that, at some point, we should clearly define the goals of our project and then spend some time and effort into creating a process and toolchain that helps us most easily achieve those goals.
[21:55] <rickfosb> godbyk +1
[21:55] <hannie> Is this a formal meeting where everyone is supposed to be present?
[21:55] <c7p> godbyk: +1
[21:56] <rickfosb> How about a 'formal' meeting with that as the agenda: retool, reboot, and get started?
[21:56] <hannie> rickfosb, +1
[21:56] <rickfosb> Might take more than one meeting.
[21:56] <godbyk> rickfosb: We could open up the topic on the mailing list for a week or so to get an idea for how others feel about it.  I'm a bit hesitant to take a vote on the topic when there are only four of us present, but then it seems that there aren't many other active participants to ask anyway.
[21:56] <c7p> i think this meeting is formal too
[21:56] <godbyk> rickfosb: I think that'd be a good idea.
[21:57] <rickfosb> godbyk agree, there are too few of us today to make this particular change.  I'll work up a nice letter and state our case.
[21:58] <hannie> I think for an important decision like this we have to get as many people as possible together
[21:58] <c7p> whatever
[21:58] <godbyk> c7p: feeling ambivalent, too? :-)
[21:59] <rickfosb> c7p  what would you like?
[21:59] <hannie> ambivalent = do not know ;)
[21:59] <godbyk> Shall we set a meeting for next weekend to take a formal vote?
[21:59] <godbyk> hannie: ambivalent: Having mixed feelings or contradictory ideas about something
[21:59] <c7p> nah,i agree we have to talk about the core/function of the project
[22:00] <godbyk> hannie: or "I don't care"
[22:00] <c7p> im sure that even if we have to vote on a formal meeting others will agree on this
[22:00] <rickfosb> is next weekend enought time?
[22:00] <rickfosb> I'll put the poll into the letter to the mailing list if you want
[22:00] <godbyk> rickfosb: Probably.  I don't see a lot of point in dragging out.  The sooner we can make a decision the sooner we can either get natty released or move on to oneiric.
[22:01] <godbyk> rickfosb: that's a good idea.
[22:01] <rickfosb> ok, c7p hannie?
[22:01] <hannie> next weekend fine with me
[22:01] <c7p> even tomorrow is fine for me :P
[22:01] <hannie> I am away from sept21-oct3
[22:02] <c7p> i think we can set a poll that will close mid week
[22:02] <rickfosb> ok, I'll work up an email with a meeting poll and agenda... you guys get some sleep, its still early here
[22:02] <rickfosb> Sure!
[22:02] <c7p> the options could be: continue natty, not continue
[22:02] <c7p> then we can see the subject of the next meeting
[22:02] <hannie> thanks, rickfosb, godbyk, c7p
[22:03] <hannie> see you all next time
[22:03] <godbyk> thanks for staying up late, hannie and c7p!
[22:03] <rickfosb> thanks guys!
[22:03] <c7p> hannie: cya
[22:03] <hannie> You're welcome
[22:03] <godbyk> #endmeeting
[22:03] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:03.
[22:04] <c7p> rickfosb godbyk do you need me for anything ?
[22:04] <godbyk> c7p: I don't at the moment.  You should get some sleep! :)
[22:05] <rickfosb> No c7p, I'm just reading the notes
[22:05] <c7p> oke
[22:05] <rickfosb> I do appreciate your help
[22:05] <c7p> good evening
[22:05] <rickfosb> both of you
[22:05] <c7p> thx
[22:05] <rickfosb> good evening
[22:05] <c7p> send me mail for whatever you need
[22:05] <rickfosb> yes sir
[22:05] <godbyk> thanks, c7p!
[22:06] <rickfosb> I always do!!!1
[22:06] <godbyk> heh
[22:06] <rickfosb> :)
[22:06] <rickfosb> i'd better get a beverage... this needs to be cogent..  (laugh)
[22:07] <godbyk> rickfosb: ha!
[22:07] <godbyk> rickfosb: btw, here are some of the notes that humphreybc and I made eons ago about creating a new website for the ubuntu manual project: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-support-and-learning-center
[22:08] <godbyk> I think that the Ask Ubuntu site may cover some of this ground now, but the manual/wiki editing stuff is probably still valid.
[22:08] <rickfosb> k thanks,  I'm looking at the help site as well... want to see what they publish
[22:09] <rickfosb> I think if we had a larger audience, and a place to work (google docs, is ok, but ... not) we could get a lot more done
[22:10] <rickfosb> especially, if we could still output to printed matter...
[22:10] <rickfosb> have a good one godbyk,  I'm going to wander off for a few...
[22:10] <godbyk> see ya later, rickfosb.


[12:10] <foolano> hi
[17:00] <foolano> hi
[17:00] <foolano> im using upstart in karmic
[17:02] <foolano> is there any reason why an event script is not showed with initctl list, but if i change its name it is listed?
[17:56] <sadmac2> foolano: so if you have a script with a particular name it won't show up?
[17:56] <foolano> sadmac2: it was really weird. I had this script and it didnt show up, i just copied with another name and it showed up
[17:57] <foolano> sadmac2: kill -HUP 1 fixed it though
[17:57] <foolano> but it was really strange
[17:57] <sadmac2> foolano: inotify glitch?
[17:57] <foolano> prolly
[17:57] <foolano> i was like wtf is wrong with that name :)
[17:58] <sadmac2> heh
[17:58] <foolano> sadmac2: anyway, im gonna repeat the same tests a few times cuz im testing new packages, so if it happens again, I'll let you guys know
[17:59] <foolano> i can even recordmydesktop to prove it :P
[17:59] <sadmac2> foolano: sweet
[18:00] <foolano> i was wondering if i should include the "kill -HUP 1" after copying the scripts
[18:00] <foolano> or it should *always* work without that?
[19:41] <swathanthran> just started reading about upstart.
[19:41] <swathanthran> does it have another command for update-rc.d?
[19:46] <sadmac2> swathanthran: not heard of that command
[19:46] <sadmac2> foolano: it should always work without HUP
[19:47] <swathanthran> thats the usual command to update sys-v init script.. like update-rc.d -f gdm remove disables gdm..
[19:47] <swathanthran> sadmac2: ^
[19:47] <swathanthran> upstart doesn't have an intersection to that area?
[19:49] <swathanthran> like, as i read upstart as a replacement to usual init scripts, i was checking about ways to configure that..
[19:50] <swathanthran> ah i just see ubuntu having update-rc.d itself for updating init scripts.. and at the same time having upstart for init!
[19:50] <swathanthran> where am i wrong?
[19:50] <sadmac2> swathanthran: for the upstart jobs themselves there's no equivalent really right now. If upstart is acting as a layer over sysv, the sysv jobs should be manipulable by all the old mechanisms
[19:50] <sadmac2> swathanthran: yes, upstart has a set of jobs that basically act like sysv so you can use old-style sysv scripts.
[19:51] <swathanthran> oh thats cool..so its really an intersection;-)
[19:51] <swathanthran> ah what ever..;-) anyway thats cool..


[08:30] <mandel> morning all!
[08:40] <somethinginteres> can I use webdav to access my Ubuntu One files?
[08:51] <rye> somethinginteres, hi, no, this is not supported, however once the team releases the REST file storage api then simple upload/download clients can be created, including proxying the webdav commands
[08:52] <somethinginteres> rye: OK, thanks for the response.
[08:52] <rye> morning, by the way
[08:53] <somethinginteres> or evening depending on location :)
[08:53] <somethinginteres> but yes, top of the morning!
[08:58] <duanedesign> morning rye mandel
[08:59]  * duanedesign needs to put some coffee on...
[09:00] <poolie> hi all
[09:00] <mandel> duanedesign: morning :)
[09:00] <poolie> i'm trying to sync my notes from u1
[09:00] <poolie> s//tomboy notes
[09:00] <karni> Good morning!
[09:00] <poolie> i egt 'could not synchronize notes.  check the details below' but there are no details below
[09:01] <duanedesign> hello poolie
[09:01] <poolie> hi
[09:02] <duanedesign> poolie: you followed the steps  like this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials/Notes ?
[09:03] <poolie> some time ago
[09:03] <duanedesign> ok:)
[09:04] <poolie> it had been syncing for months
[09:04] <poolie> [DEBUG 18:04:08.346] Building web request for URL: https://one.ubuntu.com/notes/api/1.0/user/
[09:04] <poolie> [ERROR 18:04:08.864] Caught exception. Message: The remote server returned an error: (404) NOT FOUND.
[09:04] <poolie> [ERROR 18:04:08.871] Stack trace for previous exception:   at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.CheckFinalStatus (System.Net.WebAsyncResult result) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
[09:04] <duanedesign> poolie: usually in that dialog their is a little triangle you have to click to see the 'details'
[09:05] <poolie> yes, it's empty
[09:06] <duanedesign> ok
[09:12] <duanedesign> poolie: you are probably on Natty?
[09:23] <poolie> yes
[09:23] <duanedesign> poolie: took me a minute to remember where i had heard your nick :)
[09:24] <duanedesign> rye: are you aware of any problems with note sync at the moment?
[09:25] <rye> hmmm
[09:26] <rye> duanedesign, poolie, 404 returns in case the authentication fails (yes, it is silly, i know, need to file a bug about this finally), poolie could you please download and run http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/us/ubuntuone-oauth-token-validator.py as "python  ubuntuone-oauth-token-validator.py" ?
[09:28] <duanedesign> rye: ahhh
[09:28] <duanedesign> rye: that is what i was thinking...
[09:30] <duanedesign> rye: woulod it not be bug 575937
[09:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 575937 in tomboy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Can't synchronize Tomboy Notes: Server returned 404 NOT FOUND (affects: 29) (dups: 5) (heat: 129)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/575937
[09:30] <poolie> sounds likely
[09:30] <rye> duanedesign, yes, but there is another script that copies the sync tokens so that we avoid re-synchronization
[09:31] <duanedesign> kk
[09:34] <poolie> rye, duanedesign, do you want any debug information before i do that?
[09:34] <poolie> i think i hit this before, months ago
[09:34] <poolie> (though it may not have been the same bug)
[09:34] <rye> duanedesign, what's the output of the first script?
[09:34] <poolie> and i reconfigured synchronization
[09:34] <poolie> which caused a ton of conflicts
[09:37] <poolie> rye:
[09:37] <poolie> Testing Tomboy GConf token:  ERROR: 401
[09:37] <poolie> Testing Ubuntu SSO Service token:  OK
[09:37] <poolie> Ubuntu One-specific gnome-keyring returned no tokens, skipping.
[09:38] <rye> poolie, ooh, nice
[09:39] <rye> poolie, so, please shut down tomboy, then run http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/us/ubuntuone-tomboy-update-auth.py - this will copy the SSO token to Tomboy GConf, this is bug #757841 as well
[09:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 757841 in tomboy (Ubuntu) "Tomboy Ubuntu One sync plugin should not cache SSO OAuth tokens (affects: 1) (heat: 254)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757841
[09:39] <fagan>  sorry slept in
[09:40] <fagan> morning
[09:40] <duanedesign> o/
[09:41] <poolie> rye: "Looks like everything worked well."
[09:41] <rye> poolie, ok, now you can start tomboy and try syncing
[09:43] <poolie> ooh
[09:43] <poolie> hm, so many of them did sync, but i still got an overall failure
[09:43] <poolie> again with no relevant details in the dialgo
[09:44] <poolie> [ERROR 18:43:11.455] Synchronization failed with the following exception: Collection was modified; enumeration operation may not execute.
[09:44] <poolie>   at System.Collections.Generic.List`1+Enumerator[Tomboy.Note].VerifyState () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
[09:44] <poolie>   at System.Collections.Generic.List`1+Enumerator[Tomboy.Note].MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
[09:44] <poolie>   at Tomboy.NoteManager.Find (System.String linked_title) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
[09:44] <poolie>   at Tomboy.Sync.SyncManager.SynchronizationThread () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
[09:46] <duanedesign> poolie: did you recently edit a note in the webUI?
[09:46] <poolie> not recently
[09:46] <duanedesign> ok
[09:46] <poolie> i probably have done it once or twice but not often
[09:48] <poolie> so, what now?
[09:52] <mandel> poolie, duanedesign: I dont know if this will help you, but I can tell you what that erros is saying :)
[09:52] <poolie> mm, what?
[09:53] <poolie> i can guess what it means at the c# level
[09:53] <mandel> poolie: then you know as much as I do ;)
[09:54] <poolie> i would guess further that it's a bug to do with many notes being synced at the same time
[09:54] <poolie> so repeating the sync gets the same error again
[09:54] <mandel> it does look strange that the collection is modified during the iteration, it would be interesting to look at the code
[09:54] <poolie> and promises that all these notes have been updated, but it does not seem to be committed
[09:55] <mandel> it certainly looks like the sync thread is crashing so I'd be surprise if the sync does occur...
[09:55] <poolie> :/
[09:56] <rye> poolie, ok, now could you please try http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/us/tomboy-sync-validator.py ?
[09:57] <poolie> Current sync GUID: 0
[09:57] <poolie> Latest sync revision: 799
[09:57] <poolie> Found 248 notes
[09:57] <poolie> so i did have 'always overwrite' set
[09:57] <poolie> if i set that back to 'ask me' it conflicts on a lot of notes
[09:57] <poolie> i'm prett ysure some of them have not been modified since i last synced
[09:57] <rye> poolie, it should now fetch the notes and try parsing the XML from them
[09:58] <rye> poolie, and then it should produce a summary of the check
[09:58] <poolie> it printed all my note titles, then 'done'
[09:59] <poolie> just 'done'
[10:02] <poolie> rye: any other ideas?
[10:13] <fagan> I want to do something more to learn the code base
[10:14] <fagan> I wonder if making notes on the u1 branches (other than the servers) what they do and what each files purpose is would help
[10:15] <poolie> fagan: might be useful
[10:15] <poolie> onto a dev wiki somewhere?
[10:16] <fagan> poolie: yeah id stick it into the wiki and onto my blog since
[10:16] <poolie> rye: ok, killing and restarting tomboy, then resyncing with 'replace local' got it going again
[10:16] <poolie> i keep a lot of stuff in there so it's good to have it back
[10:16] <poolie> good night all
[10:16] <fagan> night poolie
[10:18] <fagan> feck it ill do it and see what I can learn
[10:20] <karni> fagan: hahah, so feck ~ fsck ;) ?
[10:21] <fagan> karni: im Irish we dont fsck we feck it
[10:21] <karni> fagan: ahahah :)
[10:22] <fagan> karni: and its not even a curse because it means look in Irish
[10:23] <karni> fagan: that's fortunate ;)
[10:23] <karni> "look it i'll do it" ;D
[10:23] <fagan> karni: bad english + irish combo :D
[10:34] <mandel> fagan: ping
[10:34] <fagan> mandel: pong
[10:35] <mandel> fagan: morning! can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/fix_signal_broadcaster/+merge/59191
[10:35] <fagan> mandel: windows review?
[10:35] <fagan> oh you finished the IPC bits nice
[10:35] <fagan> (or well hopefully)
[10:36] <mandel> fagan: well, some of them, not everything, I need to write the client side and what starts everything, but we are getting there :)
[10:36]  * fagan feels like mandel's personal wet blanket after last weeks test failures
[10:36] <mandel> will be requesting more reviews shortly
[10:41] <fagan> mandel: passes tests on xp
[10:41] <mandel> sweet :)
[10:42] <fagan> just going to poke down the diff for a code review and then ill +1 it
[10:42] <mandel> fagan: If forgot to ask you something, can you paste the dependencies in the internal wiki page for the windows port?
[10:42] <fagan> mandel: sure
[10:43] <fagan> any particular page to put them into or should I create one
[10:43] <mandel> fagan: there is one, let me find it
[10:43] <fagan> cool
[10:44] <mandel> fagan: https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuOne/WindowsPort
[10:44] <fagan> mandel: +1 on that branch
[10:45] <fagan> ok ill put it in there
[10:45] <fagan> I could add the links too for the .exes
[10:45] <mandel> fagan: that would be great!
[10:58] <fagan> mandel: ok should be good
[10:58] <mandel> fagan: the brach? great :)
[10:58] <fagan> mandel: I already gave the +1 on the branch and I completed the wiki page
[10:58] <fagan> or it should be done
[10:58] <fagan> :)
[11:00] <fagan> mandel: oh and I left out a few deps but they get installed by zope and lazr
[11:01] <fagan> (like oauth)
[11:02] <fagan> oh and ill put in how to use google protobuf too
[11:02] <mandel> fagan: ok, I'll take a look at the wiki to add some details like extracting the eggs etc..
[11:06] <fagan> mandel: I forget is PIL a dep for SSO or the client
[11:06] <fagan> (I forgot it yesterday in the post too)
[11:07] <fagan> or both for that matter
[11:08] <fagan> hmmmm my best guess is that its for the SSO
[11:16] <fagan> mandel: actually you can do the protobuf im not the best with explaining how to do it since it took me 20 minutes
[11:16] <mandel> fagan: no worries, is a wiki, edit as much as you know, I'll go over it later :)
[11:17] <fagan> mandel: well I think I have everything thats needed
[11:18] <fagan> and ive only used SSO, client and the storage protocol so I only know the deps for them
[11:19]  * fagan goes on a short break
[11:30]  * duanedesign is back....oh good poolie got his notes synced.
[11:58] <facundobatista> duanedesign, ping
[12:03] <duanedesign> hello facundobatista
[12:04] <facundobatista> Hola duanedesign!
[12:04] <facundobatista> duanedesign, I was checking #768662 , and need some feedback from the user
[12:05] <facundobatista> duanedesign, it's assigned to you... do you want to manage this, and me to assist you, or should I just take it?
[12:05]  * duanedesign looking
[12:06] <duanedesign> facundobatista: oh great he got back to us with logs.
[12:06] <facundobatista> duanedesign, yeap... there's a strange situation with one of his files, and I want for him to do sha1sum on it
[12:07] <duanedesign> ok
[12:07] <duanedesign> facundobatista: is that just:  sha1sum <file>
[12:07] <facundobatista> yeap
[12:08] <facundobatista> duanedesign, the file is: '/home/tomas/Libros/Calibre/Paul Ekman/Unmasking the face (7)/Unmasking the face - Paul Ekman.pdf'
[12:11] <mandel> ralsina: ping?
[12:20] <facundobatista> duanedesign, please, let me know if the user answers
[12:33] <duanedesign> facundobatista: i will. Thank you.
[12:52] <mandel> fagan: ping
[12:52] <fagan> mandel: pong
[12:52]  * fagan was just doing payroll
[12:53] <mandel> fagan: can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/fix_pipe_code_add_client_helpers/+merge/59209
[12:53] <mandel> fagan: more changes for the IPC before I added the client side which will be done shortly :)
[12:53] <fagan> mandel: ill get to it in 15 after I sort out payroll
[12:53] <mandel> fagan: sure
[12:53] <fagan> just double checking
[12:58] <fagan> ok done looking at the branch now
[12:59] <duanedesign> facundobatista: ping
[13:01]  * mandel walks dog
[13:07] <facundobatista> duanedesign, pong
[13:10] <duanedesign> facundobatista: have you looked at bug 7763626
[13:10] <ubot4> duanedesign: Bug 7763626 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/7763626 is private
[13:10] <duanedesign> facundobatista sorry  bug 763626
[13:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 763626 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu One doesn't Sync, but says that the Files are up to date (affects: 1) (heat: 503)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/763626
[13:12] <facundobatista> duanedesign, the client reaches IDLE ok
[13:13] <facundobatista> duanedesign, in these cases, he should specify one example of file that misbehaves
[13:13] <facundobatista> duanedesign, (like the first bug we talked about here)
[13:13] <facundobatista> duanedesign, normally, it saves time asking upfront which file(s) is(are) having the problem, when you ask the logs
[13:14]  * duanedesign nods
[13:14] <duanedesign> thank you
[13:19]  * fagan is done with the review and goes for a break before the standup
[13:26] <mpt> Who implemented ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk?
[13:26] <fagan> mpt: my guess would be nessita
[13:27] <fagan> and natailia
[13:27] <fagan> but they are in argintina
[13:27] <fagan> so they arent on at the moment mpt
[13:27] <mpt> ok, thanks fagan
[13:55] <fagan> standup in 5?
[13:55] <fagan> ralsina and some of the westerners arent around
[13:57] <alecu> hola #ubuntuone!
[13:57] <fagan> alecu: ello ello
[13:58] <mandel> mpt: it was indeed nessita which is natalia ;)
[13:58] <fagan> mandel: wow im terrible with nicks
[13:58] <fagan> :D
[13:58] <mpt> Maybe nessita does the work of two people
[13:58] <mandel> mpt: she does hehe
[13:58] <fagan> mandel: I +1ed that branch anyway so I presume you are waiting on ralsina
[13:59] <fagan> mpt: somebody has to pick up the slack of all the lazy peole :D
[13:59] <mandel> fagan: yes, I ddid ping him but I got no answer… alecu there are no holidays in argentina, right?
[13:59] <fagan> me?
[13:59] <alecu> mandel, no holidays today
[13:59] <mandel> hm… weird
[13:59] <rye> fagan, natalia = nessita
[14:00] <rye> ah
[14:00] <fagan> rye: hah yeah got that
[14:00] <rye> my news is outdated
[14:00] <fagan> my powers of confusion are strong
[14:00] <mandel> alecu: _fagan added the dependencies that are needed for the projects so that you can keep going with the windows vm set up :)
[14:01] <mandel> not that I'm trying to say anything, it was more FYI
[14:01] <alecu> mandel, fagan: cool, I'll work on it today.
[14:01] <fagan> alecu: if you have any more trouble just ask away
[14:01] <fagan> alecu: it will take the rest of the day probably to actually do all the bits
[14:03] <alecu> ne
[14:03] <alecu> me
[14:03] <mandel> me
[14:03] <fagan> I already said me :)
[14:03] <alecu> dobey, thisfred, ralsina, mandel?
[14:04] <dobey> eja me ne
[14:04] <thisfred> me
[14:04] <fagan> can we go on without ralsina ?
[14:05] <mandel> fagan: yes, we are flexible :)
[14:05] <alecu> fagan, yes, absolutely. fagan: go!
[14:05] <fagan> DONE
[14:05] <fagan> * started writing brainstorming what to say for UOW
[14:05] <fagan> * sorted payroll
[14:05] <fagan> TODO
[14:05] <fagan> * finish the UOW talk
[14:05] <fagan> * finish the map of branches
[14:05] <fagan> Blocked
[14:05] <fagan> * nope
[14:05] <fagan> alecu: go
[14:06] <alecu> DONE: digged deep in bug #770393, found libcanberra as used by gtk was trying to start pulseaudio and failing repeatedly, so after a suggestion by dobey to unset GTK_MODULES, I did a small branch to fix it. Also started looking into "Amazon Product Adverstising API", pyaws and bottlenose for Unity Lenses roadmap bluprints item.
[14:06] <alecu> TODO: work on the windows vm, roadmap blueprints meeting
[14:06] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[14:06] <alecu> NEXT: mandel
[14:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770393 in ubuntu-sso-client "Tests are slower than before (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770393
[14:06] <mandel> DONE: Improved the way the anmed pipe works on ubuntuone-client windows. Added part of the client IPC lib implementation.
[14:06] <mandel> TODO: Call with UX. Finish client side code. Move to write main method that start up everyhting. Basic Control panel.
[14:06] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[14:06] <mandel> dobey, please
[14:06] <dobey> λ DONE: bug #770379, broke trunk, fixed trunk
[14:06] <dobey> λ TODO: protocol/client releases for 0-day SRU, finish nightlies fixes, maverick/lucid SRUs
[14:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770379 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Recommends wrong version of gir1.2-unity-3.0 (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770379
[14:06] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[14:06] <dobey> thisfred: brevity please :)
[14:06] <thisfred> DONE: read vala tutorials, reviews
[14:06] <thisfred> TODO: blueprints
[14:07] <thisfred> BLOCKED: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (for dobey that one)
[14:07] <fagan> thisfred: ive done a bit of vala a while back if you need help
[14:07] <thisfred> fagan: thanks! It looks fairly easy.
[14:07] <fagan> thisfred: tis
[14:07] <fagan> :D
[14:08] <mandel> thisfred: if you have done plain gobject is very easy to understand, at the end of the day is a translator :P
[14:08] <fagan> well if you know java and/or C/C++ it should be ok
[14:08] <thisfred> mandel: yeah, I haven't, though, but again, it looks pretty straightforward
[14:08] <fagan> just you cant do jagged arrays :(
[14:09]  * alecu needs to take Amelia to kinder, and will be back in ~20'
[14:10] <alecu> bbl
[14:10]  * mandel warms up chinese left overs.. will be back in 5 min
[14:16]  * mandel back
[14:35] <fagan> wow ivanka's ip is 2 for the first octet
[14:35] <fagan> never seen one that low
[14:35]  * fagan is easily impressed by nerdy things
[14:40] <mandel> @ping
[14:40] <ubot4> pong
[14:43] <fagan> mandel: why did you ping the bot?
[14:43]  * fagan is just wondering
[14:43] <mandel> fagan: to know if my network was down, I saw nothing happening hehe
[14:44] <fagan> mandel: just quiet
[14:44] <fagan> I thought it was pretty quet too
[14:44] <fagan> *quiet
[14:46] <dobey> zombies aren't very good at using IRC
[14:46] <dobey> so as more people being to turn, less people pay attention to irc
[14:47] <fagan> dobey: good thing my house is safe atm
[14:47] <fagan> :)
[14:47]  * fagan has some awesome zombie defences up
[15:08] <alecu> dobey, would you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/assertis-is-only-27-stable (since it's the same as https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/assertis-is-only-27 but for stable)
[15:08] <dobey> alecu: yeah, it's on my list.
[15:08] <alecu> great, thanks.
[15:09] <fagan> if you need another +1 I can look at it
[15:09] <dobey> i got it.
[15:09] <alecu> fagan, perhaps you can take a look at: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntu-sso-client/changed-secrets-spec/+merge/57947
[15:09] <fagan> alecu: sure
[15:10] <fagan> linux review or windows or does it matter?
[15:10] <dobey> i think it's linux specific
[15:10] <fagan> cool ill do it in natty
[15:12] <dobey> alecu: care to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/fix-debug-logging-16/+merge/59231 please? :)
[15:12] <alecu> sure
[15:13] <alecu> dobey, lp says "Text conflict in configure.ac"
[15:13] <dobey> wtf
[15:14] <dobey> oh
[15:14] <dobey> i am an idiot
[15:14] <dobey> alecu: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/fix-debug-logging-16/+merge/59232 instead
[15:14] <fagan> alecu: +1
[15:16] <alecu> fagan, thanks. Would you mind field testing that branch?
[15:17] <fagan> sure so I just need to install the gnome 3 ppa and setup the branch like normal yep?
[15:22] <dobey> alecu: +1 on your assert branch
[15:23] <alecu> fagan, yes, and make sure you kill ubuntu-sso-client before doing it.
[15:24] <fagan> alecu: yep was planning on it :)
[15:24] <alecu> fagan, also: try it without installing the branch first, so we know it breaks successfully.
[15:24] <alecu> "successfully"
[15:24]  * fagan forgot to kill sso last time
[15:31] <fagan> alecu: working
[15:31] <fagan> feel free to merge it
[15:31] <alecu> fagan, cool. And did it fail the first time?
[15:33] <fagan> alecu: I had it already installed but I presume it would fail because its trying to access it in a way that the keyring in the repo doesnt like
[15:34] <fagan> alecu: im guessing but I can roll it back and break it if needs be :D
[15:34] <fagan> but it definitely works
[15:34] <alecu> ok, cool
[15:36] <nigelb> fagan: did I show you the wwiki after I inserted your name?
[15:36] <fagan> nigelb: nope?
[15:36] <nigelb> dammit
[15:36] <fagan> Oh I might have looked at it myself
[15:36] <nigelb> The wiki doesn't seem to have your session, but I remember putting you on.
[15:37] <fagan> nigelb: maybe someone else was editing when you added me
[15:37] <fagan> so the diff would have gotten pushed down
[15:37] <nigelb> less likely, but anyway, now we have only 2 free session, you gotta pick one, and I owe you a drink :\
[15:38] <fagan> oh no someone took the time I wanted :(
[15:38] <fagan> ill take the one on tuesday at 1700
[15:38] <nigelb> okay
[15:38] <alecu> dobey, approved the Makefile.am branch.
[15:39] <nigelb> fagan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Timetable
[15:39] <fagan> hehe
[15:39]  * nigelb still puzzled how I missed it last night. Sigh.
[15:39] <dobey> alecu: cheers
[15:40] <fagan> nigelb: yeah im still working out the content
[15:40] <nigelb> fagan: \o/
[15:40] <fagan> nigelb: I got some ideas already though
[15:40] <nigelb> man, whole load of openings in u1
[15:40] <dobey> anyone else want to give me a review? :)
[15:40] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/fix-debug-logging-16/+merge/59232
[15:40]  * fagan already has a plan to get the viewers to spam mandel with high fives for being awesome :P
[15:41] <fagan> dobey: I can do it if you want
[15:41] <mandel> wait what?
[15:41] <mandel> me being spam, why?
[15:41] <fagan> mandel: nothing :D
[15:42] <fagan> mandel: for being the one man army bringing u1 to the land of windows
[15:42] <fagan> (was kidding though)
[15:42] <mandel> oh well, I'm a big man :P
[15:42] <fagan> dobey: so I just need to build it and see if it doesnt complain?
[15:45] <dobey> uh sure, i guess
[15:51] <fagan> dobey: ok working and didnt complain
[15:51] <fagan> so approved
[16:02] <alecu> doh.
[16:03] <alecu> I've just checked my gmail account, and there's a mail from ralsina saying he had to run some unexpected errands this morning. doh.
[16:04] <mandel> ok, so we can stop worrying
[16:08] <dobey> and love the bomb
[16:26] <dobey> bbiab, lunch
[17:31] <rye> dobey, will there be any more ubuntuone-client releases before tomorrow?
[17:32] <rye> aand ping nessita
[17:32] <rye> but i can't ping her, since she's not here
[17:38] <dobey> rye: yes
[17:38] <rye> dobey, are the changes already available through lp?
[17:39] <dobey> rye: should be, yes
[17:46] <nessita> hola gente
[17:55] <mandel> nessita: hola! mpt was after you a wile back
[17:55] <mandel> fagan: ping?
[17:55] <nessita> mandel: hey there, thanks!
[17:56] <nessita> mpt: you were looking for me?
[17:58] <ralsina> alecu: sorry for mailing the wrong place. It turns out I have some minor tax problems (wrong paperwork) and I will be gone most of the day, beyond what I expected :-(
[17:59] <nessita> ralsina: hey there. Do we have a time set for the blueprint meeting?
[17:59] <ralsina> nessita: honestly? I am going to be around 1 hour and after that I have no idea when I will be back
[18:00] <ralsina> I have to fix this or I won't be allowed to leave the country next week, and that would kinda suck ;-)
[18:00] <nessita> ralsina: do we have a deadline? can we postpone it to tomorrow?
[18:00] <ralsina> tomorrow early
[18:00] <ralsina> let's set it fr 9AM ART? Can you make a google appointment and invite everyone?
[18:01] <nessita> ralsina: yes, I can. I f we do it tomorrow, are we in time for creating blueprints?
[18:01] <dobey> rye: why?
[18:02] <rye> dobey, setting up a fresh natty machine to see how everything works
[18:02] <ralsina> yes, I think so. As long as we have them by late friday they are ok
[18:03] <dobey> rye: oh. what did you mean by "available through lp" then?
[18:03] <nessita> ralsina: ack, I'll schedule it then
[18:03] <nessita> ralsina: I will set it to 10ART so USA people can make it at 9am their time
[18:03] <ralsina> nessita: cool
[18:03] <rye> dobey, well, the package itself, in a building form or a set of branches that should be merged to stable-1-6
[18:03] <nessita> so, basicaly, right after our stand up
[18:03] <dobey> 9AM ART?
[18:03] <dobey> yeah that is a bit too early
[18:03] <nessita> dobey: 10am ART
[18:03] <mandel> ralsina: Chipaca wanted a mumble with us, but I guess you cant
[18:03] <dobey> what is that in GMT?
[18:04] <nessita> dobey: 1pm
[18:04] <nessita> ok, I'll grab a bite now
[18:04] <dobey> ok
[18:04] <dobey> rye: ah, then no
[18:05]  * mandel walks the dog, might be back later
[18:13] <ralsina> mandel: well, I am in a bar
[18:13] <fagan> mandel: pong sorry was afk since my day was over
[18:14] <fagan> oh he is off
[18:14] <fagan> hey ralsina
[18:14] <ralsina> hi fagan
[18:17] <mpt> nessita, I was just wondering whether you would be interested in <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-system-settings>
[18:17] <mpt> at UDS
[18:18]  * fagan would be interested in that blueprint
[18:21] <fagan> oh and ralsina am I allowed to conribute to any of the sessions that I want (im asking since it would be all within my work hours)
[18:22] <fagan> other than being at UDS ive never had a chance to get to all the ones ive been interested in
[18:22] <ralsina> fagan: I don't know of any requirements to join a session beyond wanting to be in it
[18:22] <ralsina> then again, *I* have never been at UDS so I have no idea if there is such a requirement ;-)
[18:23] <fagan> ralsina: well your allowed to go to whatever you want I just mean am I free to
[18:23] <ralsina> fagan: sure
[18:23] <fagan> cool
[18:23] <fagan> I just thought id ask rather than going AWOL for the entire week :P
[18:24] <fagan> id be around all week id just be listening in a lot and chatting to everyone in IRC at the sessions
[18:24] <ralsina> fagan: hahaha I expect reports anyway ;-)
[18:24] <fagan> ralsina: well id be learning in a way that id be talking with like half the company about their plans...etc
[18:25] <fagan> (in a completely non-annoying way :)
[18:25] <ralsina> fagan: feel free, just write about it later as usual and we're cool
[18:26] <fagan> ralsina: sure ive settled in on the writing up really long posts for the week and explaining stuff in detail
[18:26] <fagan> but for UDS id probably be doing a lot more general work so id be definitely doing one per day
[18:29] <dobey> ralsina, fagan: requirement is that for every session you attend, you must buy me beer.
[18:29] <fagan> dobey: im not going to be in person
[18:30] <dobey> fagan: i'll see if the bar accepts wire transfer as payment
[18:30] <fagan> so ill buy you a beer a drink it myself in ireland
[18:30] <ralsina> dobey, fagan: beer-over-wire tastes bad
[18:30] <dobey> worst case, they'll probably take paypal
[18:30] <fagan> dobey: well im sure I can get some courier to bring it
[18:30] <fagan> its not too far :D
[18:31] <dobey> you can just give me your debit card and PIN and i'll get it out the atm myself :)
[18:31] <fagan> dobey: yeah why not......no wait
[18:33] <fagan> ooooh and you know what would be fun if I could skype to the u1 sessions
[18:33] <fagan> all I need is someones computer
[18:33] <ralsina> fagan: the main problem is that you will only see the omputer owner's face
[18:33] <dobey> irc will be fine
[18:34] <dobey> there was discussion of a mumble server for UDS, but i think it would probably cause a lot of problems
[18:34] <fagan> dobey: for the 2 years ive remotely participated ive never enjoyed it
[18:34] <fagan> its a bit of a pain in the ass
[18:34] <dobey> fagan: trust me, you would hate skype and mumble even more
[18:34] <fagan> dobey: why?
[18:36] <fagan> bad internet?
[18:36] <dobey> fagan: because there probably isn't going to be enough bandwidth to handle all the people who would want to do it, and the speakers on someone's computer are probably not going to be loud enough
[18:36] <fagan> dobey: well its just little old me hehe
[18:36] <dobey> fagan: well you say that, and then everyone else starts doing it, and boom.
[18:36] <dobey> there goes the internets
[18:37] <fagan> dobey: yeah it wouldnt be good on mass but for specific people who can give a lot to a session it would be interesting
[18:38] <dobey> fagan: there is no way to make such a determination. you have no idea who may or may not be able to give a lot to a session
[18:39] <fagan> dobey: you havent been in a UDS session with me I talk a good lot.
[18:39] <nessita> dobey: hey there, did you understand last comment in bug #770379?
[18:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770379 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Recommends wrong version of gir1.2-unity-3.0 (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770379
[18:39] <fagan> dobey: its cool though I get what you are saying
[18:40] <dobey> fagan: talking a lot doesn't necessarily mean that you are giving a lot to a session either. but what i meant is that you can't say that you and only you are going to have any valuable input in a session
[18:40] <dobey> nessita: the one from seb?
[18:40] <nessita> yeah
[18:40] <dobey> yes
[18:40] <fagan> dobey: well specifically I think I gave a good bit to the u1ms sessions over the years
[18:41] <fagan> thats where I met aquarius first if I remember right
[18:42] <fagan> dobey: anyway yeah I know specific sessions dont really mesure how good you are in all of the sessions
[18:42] <ralsina> fagan: I think dobey means that if someone is allowed to mumble in, everyone will be allowed because you can't say beforehand who should be allowed. And then it will suck.
[18:42] <dobey> fagan: that's fine, i'm not saying you did or didn't. i'm just saying that treating someone specially in that manner is only going to upset other remote people who think they have something of value
[18:42] <fagan> dobey: well thats a good point
[18:43] <dobey> either you participate locally, or you participate remotely the same way everyone else does.
[18:43] <dobey> otherwise it just creates problems, logistically and socially
[18:44] <fagan> yeah I just though team members could be given special privilages
[18:44] <fagan> I know what you mean though
[18:45] <dobey> gah, thunder. guess it's about to storm here
[18:46] <fagan> dobey: hide your internets before it takes it down
[18:47] <dobey> eh i will be fine
[19:22] <dobey> sigh
[19:23] <fagan> dobey: whats the problem
[19:23]  * fagan doesnt mind helping as long as its not being a lightning rod
[19:25] <dobey> i am an idiot
[19:26] <fagan> dobey: I cant help with that other than trying to channel my wasted brain power to you telepathically
[19:26] <fagan> :D
[19:29] <dobey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqyxXX3Ra4A is how i feel right now
[19:30]  * fagan moves ahead with the telepathic channeling of power to dobey
[19:30] <fagan> dobey: do you feel the power!
[19:30] <dobey> MY BRAIN HURTS!
[19:31] <fagan> dobey: awh
[19:31]  * fagan stops the channeling since its going to make dobey's head explode :)
[19:37] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/no-config-data/+merge/59267
[19:38] <dobey> and https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/no-config-data-1-6/+merge/59268
[19:38] <dobey> i could use some reviews on those asap please ^^
[19:39]  * fagan could do it but if other people are around they can do it instead
[19:41] <fagan> dobey: arent they the same change?
[19:41] <dobey> fagan: one is for stable-1-6 series
[19:41] <fagan> ooooooh
[19:41] <fagan> dobey: does it need testing?
[19:41] <fagan> it seems trivial
[19:42] <dobey> not especially
[19:42] <fagan> i can +1 now then
[19:42] <dobey> alecu, nessita, ralsina, anyone else? ^^
[19:43] <nessita> sure
[19:43] <dobey> thanks
[20:06] <dobey> re nessita, thisfred
[20:07] <thisfred> yeah, power outages again here
[20:07] <nessita> dobey: yes?
[20:07] <thisfred> must be windy
[20:07] <dobey> nessita: you left/joined
[20:07] <nessita> dobey: yes, internet issues here. Your branches, approved.
[20:07] <nessita> dobey: did I miss something?
[20:07] <dobey> nessita: great, thanks
[20:07] <dobey> nessita: no, i was just saying welcome back
[20:08] <nessita> ah! thanks
[20:21] <dobey>     test_app_name_is_stored ... ./run-tests: line 41: 16942 Floating point exception`which xvfb-run` u1trial "$MODULE" -i "test_windows.py, test_qt_views.py"
[20:21] <dobey> awesome
[21:45] <nessita> dobey: my ubuntuone-client-gnome in uninstalled! and I'm 90% sure I had it
[21:45] <nessita> (but no 100%)
[21:47] <dobey> uhm, ok
[21:47] <dobey> would love to know why :)
[21:47] <nessita> right
[21:48] <nessita> dobey: this is what I have:
[21:48] <nessita>     146 Start-Date: 2011-04-07  17:38:01
[21:48] <nessita>     147 Purge: ubuntuone-client-gnome:amd64 (1.5.8+r946~natty1)
[21:48] <nessita>     148 End-Date: 2011-04-07  17:38:08
[21:48] <nessita> dobey: I don't remember purging that
[21:50] <dobey> that was a while ago
[21:51] <nessita> right
[21:51] <nessita> we were sprinting back then
[21:51] <dobey> are you sure you didn't purge it? so you wouldn't have the nautilus issue that you still haven't tested my branch for?
[21:51] <nessita> who knows, maybe I purge it to test something?
[21:51] <dobey> i don't know
[21:52] <dobey> but i don't think there's enough information there to tell us anything. and i am pretty sure apt doesn't purge by itself
[21:52] <dobey> you have to tell it to -remove -purge
[21:52] <dobey> err, remove --purge
[21:52] <dobey> my typing is fail
[21:53] <nessita> dobey: right. Ok let's blame me this time ;-) (makes sense)
[22:17] <dobey> cheers all