[00:07] <carlunchi> Hello
[00:10] <carlunchi> was a placer !!!!
[00:39] <mechanical_snail> Hello.
[00:43] <alessandro_> Hi
[00:49] <Kheo> hello where can I report me banned
[00:49] <Kheo> ?
[00:49] <Kheo> abusse report ?
[00:51] <bazhang> #ubuntu-ops
[00:52] <Kheo> lol the man who's making abusse it's helping with abusse issues
[00:52] <Kheo> ^^
[00:52] <Kheo> ha ha ha..
[01:09] <Kheo> hello can anyone help me ?
[01:32] <zacarias> After an upgrade, I lost my "jumping icon" when launching an app. It was replaced by a "flashing icon". Any ideas?
[01:49] <Nine_9> hey guys, do you know a simple tool (preferably command line only) that can store network data in a file, some kind of advanced network monitor or something?
[02:48] <Dragnslcr> Nine_9- try searching for command line programs that use libpcap
[02:48] <Nine_9> Dragnslcr: ok. thanks :)
[02:50] <Dragnslcr> For a GUI program, you'd probably want wireshark
[11:34] <naught101> How can I make kubuntu shut down at ~5% battery power?
[11:35] <naught101> Ah, never mind, found it.
[11:36] <naught101> I don't really understadn why part of itis under activities though
[11:44] <Peace-> naught101: systemsettings => search box => battery =>
[11:45] <naught101> thanks Peace-
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:31] <MySystem> hello how to show used pointer device driver and a list with availables will be nice too
[12:37] <bux_> hi,
[12:38] <bux_> someone knows a way to link files in a folder, by using a flie containing all the relative adress ?
[12:39] <frogonwheels> bux_: you mean symbolic links?
[12:40] <bux_> yup
[12:40] <bux_> i have a list of files with the absolute path
[12:40] <bux_> and i dont want to copy them, justlink them
[12:42] <frogonwheels> bux_: just make a bash script that reads the file  and links each to the dir.
[12:42] <lordievader> bux_: I believe the command was: ln -s <target> <location>
[12:43] <lordievader> bux_: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/creating-soft-link-or-symbolic-link/
[12:43] <bux_> i m on ln help
[12:43] <MySystem> does anybody know how to get the active pointer device driver
[12:43] <frogonwheels> bux_:  something like this: https://gist.github.com/3879040
[12:44] <bux_> frogonwheels: yup, something like that, thx, i test that
[12:45] <frogonwheels> MySystem: start with:   ls /sys/bus/hid/drivers/
[12:47] <MySystem> real nice thx
[12:48] <MySystem> but why start which isnt't listed now ?
[12:48] <frogonwheels> MySystem: Could you try that sentence again please?
[12:50] <MySystem> of course, you said "start with" this indicates that there are other ways which list more
[12:50] <MySystem> or other thing
[12:50] <frogonwheels> MySystem: I'm just nudging you in the right direction. gg now!
[12:51] <MySystem> gg?
[12:51] <bux_> frogonwheels: how cool ! very helpful !
[12:51] <bux_> thx
[12:51] <bux_> gg = good game -.-
[12:57] <frogonwheels> gg = gotta go
[12:57] <MySystem> ah ok then thx and a nice day
[15:14] <ncfi1013> VIDEO_TS.BUP, VIDEO_TS.IFO, VIDEO_TS.VOB, VTS_01_0.BUP, VTS_01_0.IFO, VTS_01_0.VOB...who can tell me how to properly burn these files to a dvd so its playable?
[15:15] <bazhang> ncfi1013, using devede?
[16:01] <capitaninsaneoh> I added by accident apache/mysql/PHP with tasksel and then removed them but now I see Mysqld is still on my machine.  I see it when I do a ps-ef but I can't seem to get rid of it with chkconfigHow do I get rid of it?
[16:03] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: if you reboot, it will be gone
[16:03] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: it's just running in memory
[16:03] <ikonia> you've removed the package.
[16:03] <Pici> (also (k)ubuntu doesn't use chkconfig)
[16:06] <capitaninsaneoh> ikonia, I did and it is still there
[16:06] <capitaninsaneoh> Pici,  what do I use then to remove the upstart items?
[16:08] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: did you remove the mysql-server packge
[16:08] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: you may have just removed the client
[16:09] <capitaninsaneoh> ikonia, Package mysql-server is not installed, so not removed
[16:10] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: please do a "sudo dpkg -l | grep mysql"
[16:11] <genii-around> Probably it installed something like mysql-server-X.X    where X is some version
[16:12] <capitaninsaneoh> ikonia, http://paste.kde.org/567590/
[16:13] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: lots of mysql there
[16:14] <capitaninsaneoh> how do I disable it from running on my machine
[16:14] <ikonia> you wanted to remove them
[16:14] <ikonia> if you don't need them - remove them
[16:14] <capitaninsaneoh> ikonia, last time I did that it hozed my KDE
[16:15] <ikonia> no it didn't
[16:16] <ikonia> removing mysql server does not break kde
[16:16] <capitaninsaneoh> yes it removed the kde desktop and I had to readd it
[16:17] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[16:17] <capitaninsaneoh> all I removed was AMP with tasksel
[16:17] <ikonia> kde desktop does not depend on mysql serer
[16:17] <ikonia> server
[16:17] <bazhang> kubuntu-desktop?
[16:17] <capitaninsaneoh> yes
[16:17] <bazhang> that is a metapackage, breaks nothing
[16:17] <capitaninsaneoh> had to CTRL ALT F1 and get it again
[16:17] <bazhang> completely unnecessary unless you are upgrading versions
[16:18] <ikonia> bazhang: correct
[16:18] <bazhang> capitaninsaneoh, it does not break a thing
[16:18] <bazhang> !metapackage | capitaninsaneoh
[16:19] <capitaninsaneoh> sudo apt-get remove mysql-server-core-5.5
[16:19] <capitaninsaneoh> [sudo] password for joe:
[16:19] <capitaninsaneoh> Reading package lists... Done
[16:19] <capitaninsaneoh> Building dependency tree
[16:19] <capitaninsaneoh> Reading state information... Done
[16:19] <FloodBotK1> capitaninsaneoh: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:19] <capitaninsaneoh> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[16:20] <capitaninsaneoh> sorry
[16:20] <ikonia> not a problem
[16:20] <ikonia> just dump it in a pastebin if it's long
[16:20] <bazhang> capitaninsaneoh, metapackages are nothing to fret about
[16:22] <capitaninsaneoh> it hozed my desktop by removing it
[16:23] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: what package
[16:23] <capitaninsaneoh> ikonia, mysql-server-core-5.5
[16:23] <capitaninsaneoh> see above - it want to remove ALL of that UNRELATED stuff
[16:24] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: I can't ee anything above as you where muted for flooding the channel
[16:25] <capitaninsaneoh> ikonia, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1275169/
[16:25] <capitaninsaneoh> ikonia, Sorry bout that there it is in pastebin
[16:26] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: got it
[16:26] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: can you please run "apt-cache depend update-manager-kde"
[16:26] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: put it in a pastebin please.
[16:27] <capitaninsaneoh> sudo apt-cache depend update-manager-kde
[16:27] <capitaninsaneoh> E: Invalid operation depend
[16:28] <ikonia> depends
[16:28] <ikonia> sorry
[16:28] <capitaninsaneoh> ikonia, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1275176/
[16:29] <ThePunisher> !list
[16:29] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: ok, so as you can see, nothing there depends on mysql-server-core
[16:29] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: so you have an additional package that may/maynot depend on mysql-core
[16:29] <ikonia> capitaninsaneoh: check each package to see which one depends on mysql
[16:29] <Torch> akonadi would be the obvious guess, right?
[16:30] <ikonia> Torch: it would be a good guess
[16:31] <Torch> on which plasma unfortunately depends, so uninstalling akonadi is not an option
[16:31] <ikonia> well, lets find out which one it is
[16:31] <ikonia> I'd be very dissapointed if you need a mysql server to run a desktop
[16:31] <capitaninsaneoh> all  30 some odd packages?  Can't I just disable Mysqld?
[16:32] <ikonia> mysqld should not be running after a reboot
[16:32] <ikonia> it's imporant to put in the leg work
[16:32] <capitaninsaneoh> mysql     1083     1  0 10:35 ?        00:00:02 /usr/sbin/mysqld
[16:33] <capitaninsaneoh> Is there something like chkconfig for upstart?
[16:34] <ikonia> no, it works different, it depends on config files sadly
[16:34] <capitaninsaneoh> ikonia, Is there a gui for it yet?
[16:34] <ikonia> no
[16:35] <capitaninsaneoh> =(
[16:35] <capitaninsaneoh> Damn it why won't mysql die!
[16:36] <capitaninsaneoh> Well, just on my machine.. =)
[16:36] <ikonia> why won't it die ?
[16:36] <ikonia> have you just tried stopping it or killing it ?
[16:37] <Torch> akonadi needs a backend. mysql is the default. you can disable akonadi and it will stop mysql (iirc), but you cannot uninstall it
[16:37] <ikonia> Torch: did you just check the depends ?
[16:37] <Torch> no
[16:37] <Torch> this is just off the top of my head
[16:37] <SIR_Taco> mysql is required by akondai-backend-sql for storing indexed file/messaging/meta-data/etc.
[16:38] <ikonia> is akondai-backend-sql a requirement of the desktop ?
[16:38] <Torch> an akonadi backend is a requirement of akonadi server
[16:38] <Torch> and akonadi server is a requirement of plasma 8for the calendar widget)
[16:39] <ikonia> but is akondai-backend-sql required or is it an optional choice
[16:39] <Torch> why not check yourself? ;-)
[16:39] <SIR_Taco> you can change the backend to sqlite, or postresql...
[16:43] <SIR_Taco> under System Settings -> Personal Information is all the resources that akonadi uses and you can alter them to your liking, or remove them. System Settings -> Desktop Search contains all the settings for Neopmuk (which I believe also uses an sql backend) and you can disable it entirely if you don't wish to index your users files
[16:43] <ikonia> Torch: because I don't have a kde system, or I would have done
[16:44] <ikonia> and this isn't my problem and to be honest, I'm no longer interested
[16:45] <BluesKaj> akonadi and nepomuk are fine for on the job installs , home users probly don't have much use for either one , unless they work from home
[16:46] <Torch> even home users like to read mail sometimes
[16:47] <Torch> and akonadi is the technical solution the kdepim devs chose and it's been discussed to death ;-)
[16:48] <BluesKaj> yeah Torch that's why i use thunderbird , i don't need a clunky mailserver for mysetup
[16:49] <BluesKaj> I used to like kmail till they attached that ball and chain to it
[16:50] <SIR_Taco> BluesKaj: Kmail makes my head hurt... I'm a Thunderird user as well
[16:51] <BluesKaj> SIR_Taco, it's not a really amtter of preference for me , kmail/kontacy just don't work on my system for more than few days then the segfaults start and they become worse and worse over time
[16:52] <BluesKaj> and the bugreports are 50 duplicates deep on it
[16:53] <BluesKaj> if not more
[16:53] <SIR_Taco> haven't had it segfault on me (well not since I tested kmail 2 for the sake of testing and helping out)... but I find it trys to do too much, and I just want to read my mail :)
[16:54] <BluesKaj> thunderbird works well and serves  mail from 3 different servers , my ISP email and 2 webmails
[16:56] <BluesKaj> serves is probly not technically correct , but you get the gist
[16:56] <SIR_Taco> yep
[17:02] <Nine_9> hey guys, is there a plugin or something to easily toggle speed limiter in ktorrent, like the turtle button in transmision?
[17:03] <Nine_9> it's annoying to have to type the upload and download limits every time
[17:03] <Nine_9> I'd like a one-clicker
[17:03] <Nine_9> :)
[17:06] <lordievader> Nine_9: You know you can simply use transmission under kde/kubuntu?
[17:07] <Nine_9> lordievader: i know, but i'd like to use ktorrent :). It has more options and supports utorrent's microTP, maybe deluge is an alternative
[17:07] <Nine_9> transmission is very basic
[17:07] <lordievader> Nine_9: Isn't there some global setting in the preferences menu?
[17:08] <capitaninsaneoh> ikonia, i fixed it
[17:08] <Nine_9> lordievader: there are, but i'd like a way to configure the speed limit and quickly swittch it on/off
[17:09] <lordievader> Nine_9: I see, hmm, I'm sorry I have to say that nothing springs to mind.
[17:09] <Nine_9> lordievader: ok, thanks.
[17:09] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[17:09] <Nine_9> maybe i could make a plugin myself
[17:21] <capitaninsaneoh> ikonia, you there?
[17:39] <Sven_Oostenbrink> On kubuntu 12.04, I am trying to add spanish spell checking, but I don't see spanish in the list there.. I've installed the spanish language, but I only see 5 sorts of english and hebrew (why?? I have not installed hebrew at all).. No spanish.. What could fix this?
[17:49] <chachan> Sven_Oostenbrink, I have spanish installed
[17:50] <chachan> spell checking and english UI
[17:52] <genii-around> Sven_Oostenbrink: Is the package kde-l10n-es  installed?
[17:52] <Sven_Oostenbrink> genii-around: yes
[17:52] <Sven_Oostenbrink> chachan: I have spanish UI now even, and still I dont see the spellchecker.. Do I need to reboot mayhbe?
[17:54] <chachan> Sven_Oostenbrink, mm no, don't you see it on System Settings > Locale > Spell Checker?
[17:55] <chachan> aptitude search spell | egrep ^i
[17:55] <chachan> which packages related with spelling do you have installed?
[20:01] <Guest52533> hi kworld!
[20:02] <Guest52533> this is a fresh install of kubuntu 12.04, some problems still...
[20:04] <Guest52533> the main one is that i cannot copy from xterm or emacs into firefox (web page dialog field). Please help me to identify the source..
[20:09] <Guest91562> nick
[20:09] <Guest91562> hallo?
[20:10] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest52533: hello
[20:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest52533: new to linux?
[20:15] <Guest52533> phoenix_firebird: no, kubuntu 7 is still on my old acer... but the new install was far away from what i expected. had to google a lot
[20:15] <Guest52533> phoenix_firebird: here i can copy+paste, it is a problem with firefox, any1 still observed it?
[20:18] <Guest52533> some other problems that i should maybe mention: .bash_history came with root:root rights. I had to chown dan:dan it! This is odd.
[20:20] <Guest52533> then there is no toggle maximize (vertically | horizontally) any more, well, there it is, but it is no longer called toggle. I had to try maximize with the keybind Control+Up+M and see, that it is a toggle...
[20:20] <Guest52533> the place for it is somewhere i could never expect it
[20:21] <Guest52533> the activities have no use for me.
[20:22] <Guest52533> the bar where i see the applications running are taking too much place
[20:22] <Guest52533> for them
[20:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest52533: did you upgrade after the fresh install?
[20:24] <Guest52533> and i cannot copy+paste ...
[20:25] <Guest52533> phoenix_firebird: no, this is a fresh install, downloaded the iso, used unetbootin to put it on the stick and i installed from the stick overwriting all hd
[20:30] <martinalex> hi, i have a problem with kmail - it does not create a folder for my newly created imap account
[20:31] <martinalex> therefore i cant really use it
[20:32] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest52533: in case you dont know copying from konsole is shift+ctrl+c and to paste in browser is ctrl+v
[20:32] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest52533: update the install and try again
[20:33] <phoenix_firebrd> martinalex:have you tried aking in #kde?
[20:33] <phoenix_firebrd> martinalex: *asking
[20:57] <Guest52533> phoenix_firebird: thanks for the help, unfortunately i cannot make things work. I updated everything in synaptic, firefox is last version now, restarted it, still cannot copy+paste
[21:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest52533: synaptic?
[21:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest52533: are you using kubuntu or ubuntu?
[21:03] <lordievader> Synaptic is great, even under Kubuntu :)
[22:00] <tonydx> hm
[22:26] <Roey> hi
[22:26] <Roey> http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8052  <-- there is this REALLY annoying bug in XChat where it locks up the CPU by pegging the system tray with blinking status.
[22:26] <Roey> it effing locks up my entire GUI
[22:26] <Roey> until I switch to the desktop where XChat is open
[22:26] <Roey> and make the notification int he tray silent
[22:26] <Roey> god damn this is annoying
[22:33] <SIR_Taco_> Roey: probably something to bring up with the guys that develop Xchat?
[22:33] <Roey> I did, no one cares
[22:33] <Roey> I mean they do but apparently they are not htere when I rbought it up
[22:33] <Roey> *brought it up
[22:33] <Roey> (this is #xchat I am talking about)
[22:34] <SIR_Taco_> Roey: then maybe switch irc clients
[22:34] <Roey> hey now, this isn't #gnome, we don't give that kind of advice here
[22:34] <Roey> :)
[22:35] <SIR_Taco_> file a bug then if it isn't already filed
[22:38] <Roey> fair enough
[22:38] <Roey> :)
[22:38] <Roey> thanks
[22:39] <SIR_Taco_> best-case, there's already one filed and it may have a workaround and/or status on the fix
[23:28] <Scunizi> Hi all.. I currently have different wallpapers on each of my 2 monitors.. how do I get one wallpaper to stretch across both?


[04:24] <waigani> axw: I've added tests, could you take a quick look please: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/289/files
[04:26] <axw> looking
[04:38] <axw> waigani: reviewed
[04:38] <waigani> axw: thanks - I'll mock out ssh.Client
[04:43] <wallyworld> axw: hiya,  just wanted a quick update on the azure/manual bootstrap issues
[04:44] <axw> wallyworld: hey! well, I was OCR this morning, so I only got back to it a little while ago
[04:44] <axw> so far, not really had any insights
[04:45] <axw> wallyworld: I had an idea about how to speed up bootstrap on azure (start out on ephemeral disk, then migrate over to OS disk at end of bootstrap), but that will probably only paper over the issue
[04:45] <wallyworld> axw: azure has slower i/o in general so perhaps that might be implicated somehow
[04:45] <wallyworld> but there seems to be a mongo/juju startup issue doesn't there
[04:45] <axw> yeah, I'm pretty sure it's related to slow disk, but I don't know how to work around it at the moment...
[04:46] <axw> seems so, yes
[04:46] <wallyworld> axw: i can't recall the code - but we added direct=true, simplified things also; I wonder why it's started happening again
[04:46] <axw> wallyworld: not sure ify ou saw my comment on the bug from late friday. I found some options relating to background indexing that we might want to use, but it doesn't help in this case
[04:46] <wallyworld> didn't see that yet
[04:46] <axw> wallyworld: yeah, that didn't seem to help
[04:47] <wallyworld> if i recall correctly, we seem to dial mongo ok, but then fail when we try to use it
[04:47] <wallyworld> maybe the dial is returning ok but the db is still initialising?
[04:48] <axw> wallyworld: yeah, I think the read is just blocked on the backend
[04:48] <wallyworld> axw: so, maybe be enhance dial to somehow poll for db readiness, whatever that involves
[04:49] <axw> wallyworld: yep, that is what I am investigating now.
[04:50] <wallyworld> axw: anyways, need to go grab breakfast, good luck, thank you, and keep me in the loop :-)
[04:50] <axw> wallyworld: have not looked at manual bootstrap again yet, deferring till this is fixed as it only affects master
[04:50] <wallyworld> ok
[04:50] <axw> sure, will do
[04:50] <axw> enjoy
[04:50] <wallyworld> will do
[06:37] <dimitern> jam, alexisb, hi
[06:38] <alexisb> hi dimitern
[06:38] <alexisb> did you see your invite?
[06:41] <dimitern> alexisb, I did - not sure if I responded, but I'll be there
[06:41] <alexisb> dimitern, cool, I will ping you when we start ahangount
[06:41] <alexisb> dimitern, other qs for me or jame?
[06:41] <dimitern> alexisb, thanks
[07:30] <dimitern> jam, I don't have the g+ link - where to join?
[07:31] <dimitern> jam1, g+ link?
[07:32] <jam1> dimitern: working on it
[07:32] <dimitern> jam1, thanks :)
[07:55] <voidspace> axw: ping
[07:56] <axw> voidspace: pong
[07:59] <voidspace> axw: hey, hi
[07:59] <voidspace> axw: about closing port 37017 in an upgrade step
[07:59] <voidspace> axw: for the azure provider I discussed with you the masking rules changing - causing the firewaller to close the port
[08:00] <voidspace> axw: did that only apply to azure, or would it be true of the other providers too?
[08:01] <axw> if any provider's Ports method returns 37017, the firewaller will close it
[08:01] <axw> any port that wasn't opened via OpenPorts
[08:01] <dimitern> axw, hey
[08:01] <jam1> dimitern: thanks for coming. We'll likely change how we do the meeting. We'll switch to using the conference call for audio
[08:01] <axw> dimitern: heya
[08:01] <jam1> so that you can hear with the good microphone
[08:02] <jam1> and leave a G+ to do video
[08:02] <jam1> but just mute it
[08:02] <jam1> dimitern: you can call the conference line ok, right?
[08:02] <dimitern> axw, catching up with emails, I've seen your question about SetAPIHostPorts and will respond soon, sorry I haven't seen it earlier
[08:02] <axw> dimitern: no rush, thanks
[08:02] <dimitern> jam1, oh really? I had issues with these audio conf calls before
[08:03] <dimitern> jam1, I used them before (joined), but the audio quality was very poor
[08:03] <jam1> dimitern: you were having trouble hearing people in the room, so we were hoping to fix those, maybe we could set up a trial run in 30 minutes when we have a break?
[08:03] <dimitern> jam1, sgtm
[08:03] <axw> voidspace: (sorry, forgot to prefix; here's me doing it in case you're waiting for your IRC client to poke you)
[08:04] <voidspace> axw: ah, I didn't see - thanks
[08:04] <dimitern> jam1, and thanks (if it was you) for scheduling this morning's call for 10:30 when we have our usual 1:1 so I couldn't miss it :)
[08:04] <jam1> dimitern: that was just serendipity, but I'm glad it worked
[08:04] <voidspace> axw: I got distracted by a blog post that jml linked to about the difference between concrete and abstract dependencies
[08:04] <voidspace> or something like that
[08:05] <axw> okey dokey :)
[08:05] <voidspace> axw: cool - so I need to check the Ports methods on the other providers and check they're not masking StatePort
[08:05] <dimitern> jam1, so will there be other calls before the standup?
[08:05] <voidspace> thanks
[08:05] <axw> voidspace: right
[08:06] <voidspace> great
[08:07] <axw> hrm
[08:07] <axw> voidspace: that was my understanding though, but now I'm confused - openstack doesn't mask the port at all
[08:11] <jam1> dimitern: you mean 1:1's? not today, because I'm sprinting.
[08:11] <jam1> we'll try to test the conference call in 20 mins, though
[08:11] <dimitern> jam1, no, I mean other meetings like the last one
[08:11] <dimitern> jam1, alright
[08:12] <jam1> dimitern: your next meeting with Mark S is tomorrow morning
[08:12] <jam1> we might ask you to chat during the day
[08:12] <dimitern> jam1, no worries, just let me know
[08:12] <jam1> dimitern: will do
[08:19] <voidspace> axw: ah
[08:19] <voidspace> axw: so we probably need an explicit upgrade close
[08:19] <voidspace> axw: or would you prefer further investigation?
[08:20] <axw> voidspace: I'd prefer the latter. It'd be nice if we can just make use of the existing logic to reconcile ports
[08:21] <voidspace> right
[08:42] <jam1> dimitern: so I think we're skipping the conference call, the room just got really noisy during the break
[08:42] <jam1> but likely tomorrow we will just call your phone directly
[08:42] <jam1> rather than doing a conference hangout.
[08:42] <jam1> If we need the hangout, I did get the information
[08:43] <dimitern> jam1, my phone? can't we use hangouts somehow, so I can use my headphones?
[08:44] <dimitern> well, I suppose I can connect headphones + mic to my phone as well
[09:11] <jam1> axw: voidspace: so I didn't follow the whole conversation yet, but my thoughts were certainly "lets stop creating new things that are broken" rather than worrying about "upgrade" just yet.
[09:11] <voidspace> jam1: I've done that bit
[09:11] <jam1> if its confusing, I'd much rather have those split out and land the first part
[09:12] <voidspace> jam1: Will gave me an LGTM on that PR, on the condition that I also look at upgrade
[09:12] <voidspace> jam1: can't land anything due to critical bugs however
[09:12] <jam1> voidspace: sure
[09:12] <voidspace> jam1: but yes, upgrade/port closed as  separate PR
[09:13] <jam1> dimitern: so the /etc/network/interfaces stuff needs to be a critical bug for our team
[09:13] <jam1> because it means if you do "juju bootstrap local" and restart your machine, networking doesn't come up
[09:13] <jam1> voidspace: sgtm
[09:13] <voidspace> cool
[09:13] <jam1> dimitern: I don't think thumper actually created a bug, but I'm not sure.
[09:14] <dimitern> jam1, I'll file a bug and work on it today then
[09:15] <jam1> dimitern: you're welcome to delegate to voidspace or TheMue
[09:15] <dimitern> jam1, even better :)
[09:28] <jam1> dimitern: TheMue is gone today, so it is between you and voidspace
[09:29] <dimitern> jam1, righto
[09:29] <dimitern> voidspace, jam1, I couldn't find a bug for that so far, so I'll file a new critical bug for it soon
[09:29] <axw> dimitern: there is one
[09:29] <axw> I'll see if I can dig it up
[09:30] <axw> dimitern: well, the title and diagnosis don't match, but I'm pretty sure it's the cause of https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1349635
[09:30] <dimitern> axw, awesome, thanks!
[09:31] <axw> nps
[09:36]  * rogpeppe wonders what's the likelihood of getting something landed in juju-core this week
[09:38] <axw> wallyworld: azure's apt mirrors were busted before; I told IS, and they fixed it. I've just run CI for azure again and it worked, but there's been no changes to support that
[09:38] <axw> I guess it's still a bit touchy
[09:38] <dimitern> voidspace, are you available to work on bug 1349635 today?
[09:38] <axw> wallyworld: I've not come up with any useful things to improve, so at this stage I think we should just increase the socket timeout
[09:39] <wallyworld> axw: remind me, what is the timeout now?
[09:39] <wallyworld> 20 secs?
[09:39] <voidspace> dimitern: ok, after lunch :-)
[09:39] <dimitern> voidspace, sure :)
[09:39] <axw> wallyworld: 21s
[09:40] <wallyworld> which is 2 x the heartbeat interval
[09:40] <dimitern> mup, bug 1349635
[09:40] <mup> dimitern: Bug #1349635: Networker shouldn't touch /etc/network/interfaces in a local environment <local-provider> <networker> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1349635>
[09:40] <axw> wallyworld: I don't think the heartbeats require a lock though
[09:40] <axw> wallyworld: db reads will not return if something is holding the lock
[09:40] <wallyworld> axw: so perhaps at startup of mongo, there's no heartbeat yet so the socket can die
[09:41] <axw> wallyworld: I'm pretty sure it's just that the response is taking longer than 21s, due to disk being super slow
[09:41] <dimitern> voidspace, I've assigned you to the bug and added a kanban card for it as well in the moonstone lane
[09:41] <voidspace> dimitern: thankds
[09:41] <voidspace> dimitern: I don't like tickets with repro instructions that end "You now have a broken network configuration."...
[09:41] <wallyworld> axw: yes, that's sort of what I was implying. but once mongo spins up, the heartbeat should keep the socket alive
[09:42] <wallyworld> axw: so is it worth increasing the timeout just for bootstrap
[09:42] <dimitern> voidspace, :) it's actually easier to reproduce, without breaking the network config (at least on my machine it didn't). I'll add comment to the bug
[09:42] <voidspace> heh
[09:42] <wallyworld> as we don't want it too long in practise since we want to know early when mongo has died
[09:42] <axw> wallyworld: yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking too
[09:43] <axw> wallyworld: I think if we increase it to 60s for bootstrap we should be safe
[09:43] <wallyworld> yep, cause that's why it was reduced from 60s or whatever. or was it 10mins
[09:43] <axw> I think dial timeout was 10 mins
[09:43] <axw> and socket timeout = dial timeout if you don't specify otherwise
[09:44] <wallyworld> yeah, and 10 mins is waaaay toooo looong
[09:44] <wallyworld> so we're only guessing here that's what's causing the bootstrap failures, but it seems plausible
[09:44] <wallyworld> axw: i'm still unclear why dial seemed to be returning ok though
[09:44] <axw> wallyworld: dial doesn't need a lock
[09:44] <wallyworld> and then the subsequent operation failed
[09:45] <wallyworld> so there was nothing holding the lock? but rather it failed because the lock wasn't created yet?
[09:46] <axw> wallyworld: I mean, dial would not be affected by something holding a lock
[09:46] <axw> wallyworld: each db in mongo has a single write lock
[09:46] <wallyworld> sure, what was holding the lock to prevent the op from running and hence cause the socket to timeout?
[09:46] <axw> adding an admin user will require that lock
[09:47] <axw> I don't know. I guess something to do with replica set initiation
[09:47] <axw> it's pretty difficult to get the information given the time window for failure
[09:47] <wallyworld> hmmm, so given repliaset can take, what 2 minutes to start, the timeout needs to be at least that long
[09:48] <axw> wallyworld: that's how long it takes to start, which is what we wait for. I don't know what it's doing afterwards
[09:48] <wallyworld> i really wish we could block bootstrap until mongo startup was finished
[09:49] <axw> well I can set the socket timeout to 1 hour, and that'd be like waiting forever ;)
[09:50] <wallyworld> axw: i wish we could poll every X seconds and each time log "waiting for mongo to start"
[09:50] <dimitern> any idea why I can't go get gopkg.in/natefinch/npipe.v2 ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7950527/
[09:50] <axw> dimitern: it's Windows-only
[09:51] <dimitern> axw, ah, right - ok, godeps seems happy now
[09:51] <axw> wallyworld: given that I'm EOD soon, and off for the next three days, I'd have to defer that to someone else
[09:51] <axw> I can increase the timeout now though
[09:52] <wallyworld> axw: that would be great, thanks
[09:52] <wallyworld> enjoy your "holiday"
[09:53] <axw> wallyworld: thanks :)  still sore from pulling up carpet all yesterday... filthy stuff
[09:53] <wallyworld> can imagine
[10:18] <perrito666> morning
[10:20] <mgz> mornin'
[10:45] <axw> mgz: when you have a moment, can you please review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/463
[10:48] <mgz> axw: looks good, do we want a dumb test that checks the timeout is set to the longer value?
[10:54] <dimitern> voidspace, the hangout acts funny again, but I think we managed to talk about what was needed, right?
[10:55] <dimitern> voidspac_, (in case you missed that) the hangout acts funny again, but I think we managed to talk about what was needed, right?
[10:55] <mattyw> dimitern, do you have a couple of minutes for a quick question?
[10:55] <voidspac_> dimitern: I think so, yes
[10:56] <dimitern> mattyw, sure, go ahead
[10:56] <voidspac_> dimitern: my interenet connection is a bit rubbish I'm afraid
[10:56] <mattyw> dimitern, would a hangout be ok?
[10:56] <voidspac_> dimitern: generally ok, but I have to keep restarting the router
[10:56] <dimitern> voidspac_, oh, bugger
[10:56] <dimitern> mattyw, certainly - just send me a link
[10:56] <voidspac_> dimitern: I think we covered everything though, when I need you I will hassle you :-)
[10:56] <mattyw> dimitern, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gywto2yelf2av2i4h7epsfy32ma?pqs=1&authuser=0&hl=en
[10:57] <dimitern> voidspac_, no worries at all :)
[11:09] <mattyw> dimitern, thanks
[11:10] <axw> mgz: not sure how I'd test it. you can't query an mgo.Session for its timeouts
[11:10] <axw> open to suggestions
[11:11] <mgz> axw: I was thinking of something dumb like just mocking out all the bits that do anything and asserting that the timeout set function is given the bigger value
[11:12] <mgz> or mock DialWithInfo and assert on the opts
[11:12] <axw> DialWithInfo doesn't use that option, it's not set until after we get a session
[11:12] <axw> hmm
[11:12] <axw> I'll work something out
[11:12] <mgz> your DialWithInfo
[11:13] <axw> ah
[11:13] <axw> yeah, I could do that
[11:15] <mgz> it's less to validate the current change, and more so something breaks if we change the logic
[11:22] <axw> mgz: I've added a test that checks the options passed to agent.InitializeState
[11:22] <mgz> axw: landit
[11:24] <axw> orrite, bbl
[12:52] <mattyw> dimitern, do you have a moment for another question? - should be quick
[12:53] <dimitern> mattyw, sure, what do you need?
[12:53] <bodie_> morning all
[12:54] <mattyw> dimitern, it appears that the unit struct returned from st.AddUnit() doesn't fill in the charmURL properly, I was wondering if this was expected? I added this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7951605/ to state/unit_test.go SetUpTest
[12:55] <dimitern> mattyw, I'm not 100% sure, but I think this is the expected behavior, as the uniter is supposed to set the charm url after deployment
[12:56] <bac> ping mgz
[12:57] <mattyw> dimitern, is that the best place to get the charm url from? the metrics need to know which unit they came from so I'm just using unit for that, but they also need to know the charmurl so I thought they should probably get it from there
[12:57] <mgz> bac: hey
[12:58] <dimitern> mattyw, the best place to get the charm url is from the unit's service document, as it has to be set once the service gets created (or updated when upgraded)
[12:58] <mattyw> dimitern, ok thanks
[12:58] <dimitern> nps
[12:58] <bac> mgz: are you using jenkins-github-lander in your ci?  if so, you should update to the newest version.  i fixed a bug last week that you'd want.
[12:59] <mgz> bac: thanks, I will
[13:02] <axw> mgz: increasing this timeout certainly seems to have made the tests unhappy
[13:02] <axw> :/
[13:02] <mgz> bac: done
[13:02] <mgz> axw: :(
[13:02] <mgz> can we test-override back small?
[13:03] <mgz> or do we think making it longer also made real-world scenarios bad?
[13:04] <axw> mgz: I dunno, I'd rather not paper over it. I found a bunch of tests that don't close mgo sessions and such, going to backport it to 1.20 now
[13:04] <axw> not sure if it'll help any, but it won't hurt
[13:04] <mgz> urg
[13:04] <mgz> you also have a branhc up for that kind of thing, stack on our other fixes needed?
[13:05] <axw> mgz: yeah that's for master, need to backport it
[13:06] <mgz> axw: sounds good
[13:19] <rogpeppe> anyone with good http-fu know what's going on at line 1503 here? http://golang.org/src/pkg/net/http/server.go#L1503
[13:25] <dimitern> rogpeppe, according to http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec5.html, "The asterisk "*" means that the request does not apply to a particular resource, but to the server itself, and is only allowed when the method used does not necessarily apply to a resource."
[13:26] <rogpeppe> dimitern: ta!
[13:26] <rogpeppe> dimitern: i should have tried "asterisk" as a search term...
[13:27] <dimitern> rogpeppe, yep, I had the same issue initially
[13:30] <jam1> dimitern: voidspace:
[13:30] <jam1> just checking in with you guys
[13:30] <jam1> to see how its going
[13:30] <jam1> mgz: did you get my email about cloudsigma?
[13:31] <voidspace> jam1: hi
[13:31] <voidspace> jam1: doing ok
[13:31] <jam1> voidspace: did you end up picking up the /etc/network/interfaces bug?
[13:31] <voidspace> jam1: working on critical bug 1349635 (delegated by dimitern !)
[13:32] <voidspace> jam1: yep
[13:32] <jam1> bug #1349635
[13:32] <natefinch> voidspace: I cancelled our 1:1 today since you're not really working for me right now, unless you'd like to meet
[13:32] <jam1> bah, mup, where are you… :0
[13:32] <voidspace> jam1: think we're just going to have to special case local provider
[13:32] <dimitern> jam1, I managed to almost catch up with emails (few more to reply to), decided to do the changes only in the high level networking spec, not the low level one (yet)
[13:32] <jam1> mup: bug #1349635
[13:32] <voidspace> natefinch: I saw
[13:32] <mup> jam1: Bug #1349635: Networker shouldn't touch /etc/network/interfaces in a local environment <local-provider> <networker> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged by mfoord> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1349635>
[13:32] <voidspace> natefinch: fine
[13:32] <dimitern> natefinch, :)
[13:32] <jam1> dimitern: i think high level first works well, as I think that is what we're focused on discussing in the short term
[13:33] <mgz> jam1: yup, will reply, can do some of the reviewing
[13:33] <dimitern> jam1, yeah, as the basic design is likely to change in the coming days, let's first have it discussed and approved, then consolidate the changes in the low level doc
[13:47] <axw> mgz: landed the timeout increase. having trouble getting 1.20 tests to run on my machine in general, giving up for tonight. see you in a few days
[13:47] <axw> wallyworld: ^^
[13:47] <mgz> axw: thanks, I'll try to keep an eye out on th reliability
[13:47] <wallyworld> axw: thank you for all the work today
[13:47] <mgz> enjoy the break
[13:47] <axw> cheers
[13:48]  * axw logs off
[13:49] <voidspace> axw: o/ have fun
[13:58] <bodie_> updated https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/448 w/ davecheney's comments
[14:30] <voidspace> dimitern: ping
[14:31] <dimitern> voidspace, hey
[14:36] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: what was that tool we were using at the sprint to manage containers?
[14:40] <jrwren> how can I send ctrl-a beginning-of-line to bash in a debug-hooks tmux session?
[14:40] <katco> ericsnow: qemu?
[14:45] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: virt-manager
[14:45] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: thanks
[14:47] <perrito666> sinzui: ping/morning
[14:47] <sinzui> hi perrito666
[14:48] <perrito666> sinzui: can I borrow a few minutes of your time?
[14:48] <sinzui> yes
[14:48] <perrito666> sinzui: I am trying to fix the issue with ha timeouting
[14:48] <perrito666> now I see the invocation for the test is: test_recovery.py --ha --charm-prefix=local:precise/ /mnt/jenkinshome/jobs/functional-ha-recovery/workspace/extracted-bin/usr/lib/juju-1.21-alpha1/bin test-function-hp-2
[14:49] <perrito666> can I omit the --charm one?
[14:49] <perrito666> I do not have a local charm repo
[14:49] <perrito666> or in any case what should I ahve on said repo?
[14:50] <sinzui> you need the dummy charms...
[14:50] <sinzui> perrito666, bzr branch lp:juju-ci-tools/repository
[14:51] <sinzui> export JUJU_REPOSITORY=<path>/repository
[14:52] <sinzui> perrito666, The test needs to deploy charms and it is specifically looking for the dummy source and sink charms
[14:52] <perrito666> excelente branching, tx
[14:59] <katco> does anyone know what an .lbox file does? contents: "propose -for=lp:goamz -cr"
[15:01] <whit> katco: lbox is a go cli for reviewboard + lp
[15:01] <whit> katco: lets you create merge proposal from the command line
[15:01] <whit> *s
[15:03] <katco> whit: ty... so a file checked into a repository root would, what, let reviewboard know how to do merges?
[15:03]  * katco is having difficulty finding any docs on lbox as well.
[15:03] <whit> katco: uh… I’m not super familiar with the actual mechanics.
[15:04] <whit> katco: let me fetch a link to the code
[15:04] <katco> whit: that would be great ty
[15:05] <whit> katco: some narrative background: http://blog.labix.org/2011/11/17/launchpad-rietveld-happycodereviews
[15:05] <katco> whit: thank you so much!
[15:06] <whit> katco: code: https://code.launchpad.net/~niemeyer/lbox/trunk
[15:07] <whit> katco: I’m sort of an lbox n00b. I’m sure someone here could give you a better intro
[15:07] <whit> such as the author, niemeyer
[15:12] <sinzui> natefinch, axw last commit may have fixed bug 1350911. I am going to rerun the test to verify it is repeatable.
[15:19] <bodie_> can I get a LGTM / LBTM on this?  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/448 -- it's for a "high" bugfix
[15:22] <natefinch> sinzui: sounds like I may have picked the right bug to assign to myself then ;)
[15:29] <sinzui> perrito666, ericsnow bug 1351030 and bug 1351019 might be fixable with axw's last merge into 1.20.
[15:30] <perrito666> that would be a blast :)
[15:30] <perrito666> axw last commit is?
[15:30] <ericsnow> sinzui: what's the hash?
[15:30] <ericsnow> :)
[15:31] <sinzui> ericsnow, 2c4db889f1260c8965a88171aeba14f8b21468c2
[15:31]  * perrito666 pulls
[15:32]  * perrito666 tries
[15:36] <mgz> sinzui: could we try to confirm if bug 1350983 is resolved by the bootstrap timeout change?
[15:37] <sinzui> mgz, I think we should make a patch and pr with fixes-1350983 in the message
[15:37] <sinzui> CI may love it
[15:38] <mgz> sinzui: I will try that. it;s a little complicated by mongo test flakiness, that axw also but some fixes for on trunk, but hasn't gone through yet (as it wasn't actually resolving a blocking bug)
[15:38] <sinzui> :(
[15:38] <mgz> so I may put that in first with a jfdi for the test stability first
[15:39] <perrito666> sinzui: running tests with axw's fix, in the mean time, lunch
[15:47] <jrwren> i don't really understand the remapping but ctrl-a, ctrl-b sends ctrl-a to bash
[15:47] <sinzui> natefinch, the bug may still be present. my manual run panicked at UniterSuite.TearDownTest. CI saw the failure and has started retesting
[15:49] <natefinch> sinzui: ack.  I'll run the tests locally and see what's up
[16:10] <perrito666> sinzui: no luck with current master so I guess axw's patch did not fix lp:1351030
[16:12] <sinzui> perrito666, :(
[16:12] <sinzui> natefinch, I am marking the bug you selected from 1.20 is fixed. It is passing more than 50% of the time, which was the pld rate
[16:13] <sinzui> old rate
[16:13] <natefinch> woo hoo
[16:20] <alexisb> natefinch, ping
[16:20] <alexisb> can you and perrito666 cover the cloudbase interlock tomorrow?
[16:20] <alexisb> as I will be busy with other stuff
[16:20] <alexisb> natefinch, ^^
[16:21] <perrito666> alexisb: I presume I do if you throw me a bit more context :p
[16:21] <alexisb> perrito666, let me add you to the invite
[16:22] <alexisb> really it is just a time for gabriel to ask questions and for both sides to ensure there is noone waiting on anything
[16:22] <perrito666> ah certainly
[16:22] <perrito666> book me in
[16:23] <alexisb> alrighty I added you and I will leave it on the calendar
[16:23] <alexisb> thanks perrito666 !
[16:26] <natefinch> perrito666: thanks
[16:27] <natefinch> perrito666: it's no big deal, I'll be there too.
[16:28] <perrito666> natefinch: I usually can answer questions, the ocassions when I cannot I just forward people to you or ask myself in turn
[16:55] <perrito666> meh, apparently lenovo decided that thinkpad users no longer need 16G of ram :( man Ill never find a decent computer to replace mine
[16:57] <natefinch> perrito666: the XPS15 is a nice machine...
[16:57] <perrito666> wight?
[16:59] <katco> perrito666: fwiw http://blog.kate.cox2.name/2014/06/i-was-recently-in-market-for-new-laptop.html
[16:59] <perrito666> katco: sweet thank you :)
[16:59] <natefinch> perrito666: a hair under 2 KG (just weighed it)  That's with the smaller batter
[16:59] <natefinch> y
[17:00] <perrito666> natefinch: tx for the metric weight I know that hurt a bit inside
[17:00] <katco> god i wish we used the metric system and 24h format time
[17:00] <katco> it just makes so much more sense
[17:00] <natefinch> yep
[17:00] <perrito666> katco: the RAM column is factory default or max possible?
[17:01] <natefinch> perrito666: our scale was actually already set to grams... it's what I use for cooking most of the time because doing things in 1/8ths of ounces is dumb
[17:01] <katco> perrito666: factory default
[17:01] <perrito666> natefinch: uh, you do precise cooking?
[17:01] <perrito666> I go "by the eye"
[17:03] <natefinch> perrito666: I don't even like measuring things by volume, except for liquids and stuff like sugar that is non-compressible and yet fills the available volume.
[17:04] <perrito666> natefinch: well I usually do baking by the volume, most recipes are expressed in cups and stuff like that which can be found on measuring jars
[17:04]  * natefinch has a scale that goes down to a tenth of a gram
[17:04] <perrito666> natefinch: nothing that needs to be cooked with that level of precision is legal hre
[17:04] <natefinch> yep, and a cup of flour can vary by about 30% depending on how compact it is
[17:04]  * natefinch has watched way too much Good Eats
[17:05] <katco> natefinch: no wonder you took us to the most complicataed restaurant ever! ;)
[17:05] <jrwren> katco: mac book air shouldn't be on your list. The webcan doesn't work at all :(
[17:05] <katco> jrwren: lol i did not know that.
[17:05] <perrito666> apparently I want an X230 with x240 microprocessor
[17:05] <katco> jrwren: i suppose it would have gotten reviewed had i landed on that
[17:06] <jrwren> katco: Now you know. Other than the lack of webcam, it makes a nice Ubuntu laptop.
[17:06] <katco> jrwren: well hopefully i won't be in the market anytime soon :)
[17:09] <perrito666> honestly I could do with some of the providers saying "this laptop idling consumes this much" bc the battery load itself says nothing
[17:09] <perrito666> for what I know the machine could take more energy than iron man
[17:10] <katco> perrito666: doesn't that say more about the software than the battery?
[17:10] <perrito666> katco: true, but some level of benchmark would be useful
[17:11] <perrito666> system76 makes machines which runs like a charm with ubunutu, so they could say how much an idling ubuntu runs on those things
[17:11] <perrito666> this looks wonderful https://system76.com/laptops/model/galu1
[17:11] <katco> perrito666: the only problem i have with that is that i would never feel like i was comparing apples to apples across brands
[17:12] <perrito666> katco: well of course, it would be apples vs lenovos vs s76s  :p
[17:12] <katco> perrito666: rofl
[17:12] <katco> (golf clap)
[17:27] <perrito666> I think on my nextr trip I am getting a galago ultra pro, thanks katco
[17:34] <ericsnow> at what point does /usr/lib/juju/bin/mongod actually get installed?
[17:34] <perrito666> comes with the tools
[17:35] <ericsnow> we have a hard-coded path to /usr/lib/juju/bin/mongod in mongo/mongo.go
[17:36] <ericsnow> when I run tests it does not exist
[17:36] <ericsnow> so what in the test suite is supposed to install these tools?
[17:37] <ericsnow> (and uninstall them when done?)
[18:01] <katco> perrito666: if i'm there, you can handle my gazelle pro a bit to see if you're satisfied with the build quality
[18:08] <perrito666> katco: my wife says that I could also stop treating my computers as if they where anvils
[18:08] <katco> perrito666: haha
[18:09] <perrito666> my most common issue is dropping the laptop on the bag while the bag is on the floor
[18:09] <perrito666> therefore hitting the floor
[18:10] <katco> perrito666: i do that sometimes >.<
[18:33] <perrito666> mm sinzui seems to have fled
[21:39] <bodie_> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/415 is ready for review... again >_> *pokes fwereade*
[21:45] <perrito666> is anyone else playing with ha?
[22:23] <menn0> pop cultural quiz: do know the common expression as "spanner in the works" or "monkey wrench in the works"
[22:23] <menn0> (the reason for this will become clear soon enough)
[22:24] <perrito666> menn0: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/britanico/put-throw-a-spanner-in-the-works
[22:25] <menn0> yeah I know
[22:25] <perrito666> I was asking, I forgot the ?
[22:25] <menn0> I'm just wondering what people here prefer
[22:25] <menn0> oh ok. yes that's the expression I'm referring to.
[22:25] <waigani> I know the spanner one
[22:26] <perrito666> I prefer spanner or wrench, without the monkey
[22:26] <menn0> ok cool
[22:26]  * menn0 suspects he should have asked at a different time of day to get a wider cross section of the team
[22:28] <perrito666> menn0: will you tell us what is the expression for?
[22:31] <menn0> perrito666: to have something "throw spanner in the works" means that something disrupted plans or the workings of some thing.
[22:31] <perrito666> menn0: I meant, why the question
[22:31] <menn0> naming for a new top level Juju package :)
[22:31] <menn0> I'll propose soon
[22:32] <perrito666> menn0: oh thanks, but I am already married
[22:32] <menn0> ha ha
[22:32] <wwitzel3> lol
[23:44] <perrito666> natefinch: do you have the setup to run the test swuite from qa?
[23:50] <wwitzel3> perrito666: so I never did figure out how to get admin access :(
[23:50] <wwitzel3> perrito666: I've been trying to figure out a way locally to delete the admin. files from local/db and reissue the addUser
[23:50] <wwitzel3> perrito666: but so far, I haven't been able to do that wihout completely borking the system
[23:54] <perrito666> you could run mongod with --noauth
[23:54] <perrito666> but I am not sure how nice that is
[23:58] <davecheney> wwitzel3: the admin password is your admin-secret from .juju/environments.yaml


[01:25] <AndroUser> How do i setup jack  on kubuntu properly
[01:39] <oerheks> !find jackd2
[01:39] <oerheks> and jack-mixer..
[03:30] <valorie> !jack
[03:31] <valorie> oh, they left
[03:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> FYI...
[03:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-installer
[03:32] <valorie> that does seem to be the simplest route, yeah
[03:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's what it's designed to be.
[03:41] <valorie> I knew that, just was not aware of the bot statement
[03:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, yeah. Not many are aware of ubuntustudio-installer's existence, so that's been an uphill battle with adoption.
[06:25] <arraybolt3[m]> @Akshay Jr. What message?
[06:25] <arraybolt3[m]> (Sorry if this is a silly question, I missed the start.)
[06:26] <arraybolt3[m]> No problem
[06:34] <arraybolt3[m]> @Akshay Jr.: The way I started was just using it, and fighting my way through the terminal on an as-needed basis. Get comfy with the OS itself first (the GUI parts), then tackle the terminal.
[06:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Once you're ready to tackle the terminal, the commands "man" and "apropos" are your friends. "man <command name>" gets help, "apropos <search term>" finds commands.
[06:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, when in doubt, Google.
[06:36] <arraybolt3[m]> I never managed to see the video post, sadly. Can you send a link?
[06:37] <arraybolt3[m]> (You can upload the video to Imgur most likely, then send the link here.)
[06:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. That's your computer's fault, not Kubuntu's. But in my experience, Kubuntu will just work around it. (I also have a laptop that gives me these "Firmware Bug" warnings, it works with little problems.)
[10:16] <deskwizard> Hi, I was wondering if any of you have tips or know of a good tutorial for setting up a bootable software raid1 ? I'm not getting anywhere with my lack of google-fu apparently
[10:16] <deskwizard> I attempted to follow a few, no luck whatsoever
[10:16] <deskwizard> It's more likely a user problem than a software problem, just to be clear :P
[10:17] <arraybolt3[m]> deskwizard: You might find more activity in #ubuntu - this is definitely on-topic for this channel, but #ubuntu gets the most action and attention.
[10:17] <arraybolt3[m]> (Definitely on-topic if you're using Kubuntu that is, but I'm guessing you are.)
[10:17] <deskwizard> arraybolt3[m]: Oh, thanks for the tip :)
[10:17] <deskwizard> good guess ;)
[10:19] <deskwizard> I made the move to kubuntu for 22.04, let's just say myself and someone on the Mint project have diverging opinions... hehehehe
[12:01] <tablewizard> aaaand I'm back with you guys ;)
[12:02] <tablewizard> tl;dr version, the ubuntu server install has md support built-in, so I went with that, purged ubuntu-server and installed kubuntu-desktop
[12:03] <tablewizard> everything went well, EXCEPT (there's always one is there :P) the ethernet adapter isn't showing up in KDE, I tried adding it manually without any luck, it works fine from a terminal windows so that narrowed down the issue a bit
[12:04] <cbreak> you're running kde on a server? :O or you just started with the server installer for ... reasons?
[12:28] <tablewizard> reasons, and for the first part, lazyness mostly :P
[12:28] <tablewizard> reasons being the server installer supporting md arrays which the kubuntu installer didn't want to play nice with
[12:32] <tablewizard> while I'm here ... this is mostly a "what are you people's opinion" on that ... long story short, I have md0 as root, and I'm going to add a second array for data storage, NFS/Samba share for moving stuff around, nothing big...
[12:32] <tablewizard> whare would you mount that array? /media or /mnt?
[12:33] <tablewizard> where even*
[12:39] <cbreak> I use zfs.
[12:39] <cbreak> far superior to the md stuff
[12:40] <cbreak> I have different datasets mounted in different places, where ever it makes sense
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:01] <tablewizard> cbreak: mkay :)
[13:01] <tablewizard> Hi BluesKaj
[13:02] <BluesKaj> hi tablewizard
[13:14] <alkisg> tablewizard: FHS recommends /mnt as a single mount point, without subdirectories, so either /media or elsewhere
[13:18] <tablewizard> alkisg: mkay :) thanks! uhm... just so I'm a little less of a noob tonight when I go to bed, what's FHS?
[13:39] <alkisg> tablewizard:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
[13:51] <tablewizard> alkisg: thank you :)
 Ubuntu studio iso is corrupted
 When using usb stick on a secureboot machine with secure boot off, the system is not starting after install
[15:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> @Oski146 If that's the case then redownload it. Always verify your download.
[15:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> !verify
 Its always the same its a bug... I found out hardly , and then i read here the guy will install jack
 But thats offtopic
[15:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> ubuntustudio-installer is for installing Ubuntu Studio's benefits on top of an existing Ubuntu Studio or flavor installation. You don't need to download the Ubuntu Studio iso.
 👍
[15:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> It works on Kubuntu.
[15:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> "sudo apt install ubuntustudio-installer"
[15:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, you misunderstood the whole premise.
[15:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> And no, the Ubuntu Studio ISO is not corrupt on the server. SOURCE: I'm the Ubuntu Studio lead.
 Oh ok...
 But why its not working on secure boot off systems
 On or off its the same
[15:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> I can't answer that question. It depends on your hardware. You may have had a bad write to media or your download is corrupt.
[15:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> There's a lot that may have gone wrong.
 Then i had 10 times corrupt iso downloads but i verified all the time
[15:13] <oerheks> !uefi
[15:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> I can say with 100% certainty there's nothing wrong with the ISO on the server.
[15:14] <oerheks> disable fastboot, srt ..
[15:14] <oerheks> check for a bios update..
[15:57] <alkisg> Oski146 if the installation finishes successfully and the system doesn't boot, it might mean that you actually installed in MBR/BIOS mode instead of UEFI. Can you show us your `sudo gparted -l` partition layout?
 hi
 my system keep getting me the same updates
 i update them every time
[17:01] <alkisg> Oov, what's the output of this command? sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
 libegl-mesa0 libegl-mesa0:i386 libgbm1 libgbm1:i386 libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libglapi-mesa libglapi-mesa:i386 libglx-mesa0
   libglx-mesa0:i386 libxatracker2 mesa-va-drivers mesa-va-drivers:i386 mesa-vdpau-drivers mesa-vulkan-drivers mesa-vulkan-drivers:i386
 16 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
 Need to get 40.9 MB of archives.
 After this operation, 20.5 kB of additional disk space will be used.
 Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
[17:10] <tomreyn> Oov: please use a pastebin-like service next time
 i forgot how
[17:20] <alkisg> Go to paste.debian.net and put the output there
 theb
 n
[18:43] <user|73> i need to reset the password for the user. we dont have the old password due to the person with it passing away
 How to solve this....how to remove this message (re @Akshay Jr.: this message shows up always)
[19:38] <oerheks> !password
[19:48] <tomreyn> Oov: then you post the url here
 Ok (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> Oov: then you post the url here)


[21:27] <davef> Riddle me this, how to I make GDM in 24.04  use my primary monitor to display the login prompt? Currently it goes to my secondary, which is orientated vertically.
[21:28] <davef> And don't say orientate it horizontally, because that wont help or work :)
[21:51] <daftykins> i've seen multiple monitors over displayport ignore changing the order they're plugged in in... when attempting to reverse such a thing, albeit not on Linux
[21:51] <penguin42> I iwsh these things displayed the prompt on all monitors
[21:54] <penguin42> davef: Rumour has it that there's a /var/lib/gdm/.config/monitors.xml
[21:55] <davef> That works until I load the nvidia driver
[21:55] <penguin42> oh, now he says there's an nvidia driver involved
[21:55] <daftykins> :D
[21:56] <penguin42> davef: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GDM
[21:57] <penguin42> davef: One thing it says there is that if gdm is using wayland you need a config file geenerated from wayland, so I wouldn't be surprised if nvidia changes that and you need to...I dunno
[21:59] <davef> In the /etc/gdm3/custom.conf I turn off wayland
[22:00] <daftykins> how come you don't turn off gnome? :)
[22:02] <davef> maybe it's weirdness with 24.04
[22:06] <davef> I'll try 22.04
[22:09] <davef> Do I really need to use wayland?
[22:12] <daftykins> standard rule, the future's coming - the more you fight, the more work it will become in time
[22:50]  * penguin42 tries it every few years
[22:57] <daftykins> i've been fighting against the whole "icons only" app indicator type thing since Windows 7 mind you, i always turn the text labels back on :)
[22:58] <daftykins> both with Windows and in KDE/Plasma