[04:55] <Kilos> good morning peeps
[04:55] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  theblazehen  Squirm  inetpro
[05:05] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[05:27] <Kilos> oi
[05:43] <Squirm> morning
[05:43] <Trixar_za> Morning Kilos and Squirm
[05:43] <Kilos> hi there Trixar_za
[05:44] <Trixar_za> What's new with you Kilos?
[05:44] <Kilos> waiting for a new drive then installing kubuntu 64bit
[05:45] <Kilos> then major recovery on crashed 500g drive
[05:45] <Squirm> Kilos: you just got a new drive?
[05:45] <Kilos> its coming today hopefully , 1TB
[05:46] <Kilos> i couldnt do data recovery on a 500g drive from an 80g
[05:46] <Kilos> all my everything is/was on the 500g
[05:47] <Kilos> but it crashed bad, had to zero it to get mbr working again
[05:47] <Squirm> umm
[05:48] <Squirm> that means writing over everything...
[05:48] <Kilos> yip
[05:48] <Kilos> totally wiped
[05:48] <Squirm> you probably should have started with something else first
[05:48] <Squirm> like testdisk or ddrescue
[05:48] <Kilos> im banking on testdisk foremost and scalpel finding stuff
[05:49] <Squirm> but the problem is you've written over everything
[05:49] <Kilos> it was dead completely, bios didnt even see it
[05:49] <Squirm> testdisk would have helped you before the format, I doubt it'll help you know
[05:50] <Kilos> oh well heres hoping, ive run testdisk on it now again internally, and there are lots of the old folders but all empty
[05:51] <Kilos> anyway it should keep me busy for a while i think
[05:53] <Squirm> I use foremost every other week
[05:53] <Squirm> or not
[05:59] <Kilos> oi
[05:59] <Kilos> one of those days
[06:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:05] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:23] <Trixar_za> Squirm: https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/l/t1.0-0/10177920_10152789328334903_1540246397221109551_n.jpg?oh=2968b4fc495057851c7bcc8e5f640aa4&oe=54BABCCE
[06:23] <Trixar_za> That's how I feel
[06:23] <Squirm> heh
[06:24] <Squirm> Trixar_za: you sound like a woman :/
[06:24] <Squirm> man up
[06:24] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:24] <Trixar_za> Didn't I once say that to you? :|
[06:24] <Squirm> probably
[06:24] <Squirm> but go back and look at all you've said to me today
[06:25] <Trixar_za> Yeah Yeah - I'll probably keep at it. New Month, New Life. hey?
[06:25] <Squirm> actually, you said woman in their 50's and 60's are better than you, so did you compare yourself to an 70/80 year old woman?
[06:26] <Squirm> :P
[06:26] <Trixar_za> They ran longer and harder than I did. So they did kick my unfit ass
[06:26] <Trixar_za> :P
[06:26]  * Squirm prods Trixar_za and watches him roll on the floor in agony
[06:26] <Kilos> lol
[06:27] <Kilos> haha whats with this new running thing with you guys
[06:27] <Kilos> ian also started
[06:27] <Squirm> meh, I can't run :P
[06:27] <Squirm> I need to start with the squash thing again though
[06:27] <Squirm> it's been a while
[06:27] <Squirm> over a month now
[06:27] <Kilos> squash is good
[06:28] <Trixar_za> Kilos: He gave me the idea and I started again today. And I got cocky.
[06:28] <Trixar_za> It really did hurt pushing myself that hard
[06:28] <Trixar_za> lol
[06:28] <Trixar_za> Learned my lesson
[06:28] <Squirm> lol
[06:28] <Kilos> ya you gotta take it easy in the beginning
[06:28] <Squirm> Kilos: I've tried to tell him
[06:29] <Squirm> he obviously can't stand to be beaten by older woman
[06:29] <Kilos> run/walk 1 to 2 ks for starters
[06:30] <Trixar_za> No, No I can't
[06:30] <Kilos> and only after a week or two or when you get to the running only stage then extend the distance
[06:30] <Trixar_za> And this was chubby older woman too
[06:30] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:30] <Trixar_za> So I was really motivated to outdo them
[06:31] <Kilos> then just fast walk for starters
[06:31] <Kilos> it gets better
[06:32] <Trixar_za> I used to be able to run 2KM without stopping.   If I keep at it, in 2 months there should be a big difference in my fitness level
[06:41] <Trixar_za> I just need to learn how to watch what I eat
[06:41] <Trixar_za> Before I stopped growing (so before 25), I could eat anything and actually LOSE weight.
[06:44] <Kilos> weight is only a mouth prob, closed mouth dont put on weight
[06:45] <Trixar_za> I have trouble keeping mine closed. Mostly because I talk too much.
[06:45] <Trixar_za> I even greeted random strangers today
[06:45] <Trixar_za> Since this the Cape, they looked at me with fear and suspicion
[06:45] <Kilos> lol
 lol... beardy flannel wearing hipster is sitting on the floor, despairing angrily into his iPhone because he's got on the wrong train
[06:47] <Trixar_za> I sometimes wonder where hipster ends and emo begins
[06:48] <Squirm> I have a beard and wear flannel but I don't see myself as a hipster :P
[06:48] <Squirm> I have an Android phone
[06:48] <Squirm> so that rules it out already
[06:50] <Trixar_za> True
[06:51] <Trixar_za> Also you can use Linux
[06:55] <Squirm> although, I'm getting an Apple laptop when I start work :P
[06:56] <Squirm> still won't make me a hipster though ^^
[06:56] <Squirm> and I do love my coffee
[06:56] <Squirm> but I started loving it before it went hipsterish
[06:57] <Trixar_za> Considering neither you or I knew what an Americano was until your girlfriend explained it to us, I'm pretty sure you're safe.
[06:57] <Trixar_za> Also you're clearly not Metrosexual either
[06:59] <Kilos> hi bushtech
[06:59] <Trixar_za> Bye bushtech
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone jumped to 14.10 yet?
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> wife's laptop needs a clean install, wondering if its stable enough by now
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> final beta is usually pretty solid in my experience
[07:12] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: can't wait a few days?
[07:12] <Squirm> if you're worried
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> i guess you are single?
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[07:12] <Squirm> no, but windows 8 seems to keep her happy
[07:12] <Squirm> who knows why though
[07:13]  * Squirm needs to start the conversion process
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> ditch her, there's no future for you 2, lol
[07:13] <Squirm> haha
[07:13] <Squirm> well, she can find her way around my PC
[07:13] <Squirm> which I think is a good improvement
[07:13] <Squirm> she now handles my multiple displays too
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> kde getting fatter and fatter for her 2007 vintage HP, time to go XFCE
[07:14] <Trixar_za> Why not try a few of the other options? :P
[07:14] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: I wonder how it would handle Cinnamon
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> because i'm familiar with xfce and i couldn't be bothered to learn a new thing
[07:16]  * Squirm updates CyanogenMod
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> CM doesn't like my phone
[07:17] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: which is?
[07:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> HTC One X
[07:17] <Squirm> ah
[07:17] <Squirm> have myself an S3
[07:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> too many random reboots
[07:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> at least twice a day and usually picks a time when it would be least convenient
[07:18] <Squirm> :/
[07:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh you have snapscan, cool let me pay quickly. d'oh! wait my phone is being a twat
[07:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> never mind, take my card
[07:19] <Squirm> yep...
[07:19] <Squirm> though I've been alright
[07:19] <Squirm> my camera app sometimes doesnt work
[07:19] <Squirm> and phone dies when the flash goes off
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> HTC's software may not be the latest greatest but it is absolutely rock solid
[07:19] <Squirm> hoping this update will fix it
[07:20]  * ThatGraemeGuy upgrades to 14.10 beta
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> between the ssd and the mad fast internet this shouldn't take long
[07:22] <Squirm> I'm tempted to stick an ssd in the mac I'm going to get
[07:22] <Squirm> and by an enclosure for the drive inside it
[07:22] <charl> good morning all
[07:22] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:22]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty sure they have them by default, no?
[07:22] <Squirm> 'lo charl
[07:22] <charl> hi Squirm :)
[07:22] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: only the Macbook air
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[07:22] <Squirm> afaik
[07:22] <Squirm> the Macbook pro's don't
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> even my samsung comes with ssd by default
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> You have to download a total of 941 M. This download will take about
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> 21 minutes with your connection.
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> woo
[07:24] <Trixar_za> Lol. CM huh?
[07:24] <Squirm> nice ThatGraemeGuy
[07:24] <Trixar_za> You know that Modded Intel driver I did? Somebody asked me if they could use it to develop for CM.
[07:24] <Squirm> When I went for my interview, they were busy putting in 20Mbit fibre, should be running by the time I get there
[07:25] <Trixar_za> First time I ever heard of it >.>
[07:25] <Squirm> and they had a 20Mbit VDSL line
[07:25] <Squirm> lol Trixar_za
[07:25] <Squirm> it's been around for a while :P
[07:25] <Squirm> updated
[07:25]  * Squirm tests flash
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> Squirm: what are you going to be doing there?
[07:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> 100mbit fibre at our new offices... only 2.5 more weeks
[07:26] <Squirm> yay, flash works without killing my phone
[07:26] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: IT Technician
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> like desktop support stuff?
[07:27] <Squirm> but taking load off of the current sys admin.
[07:27] <Squirm> no
[07:27] <Squirm> more server administration
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[07:27] <Squirm> but some dsktop support
[07:27] <Squirm> so... inbetween
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[07:27] <Squirm> there's a guy there who will be doing mainly dsktop support
[07:28]  * Squirm smacks his letter 'e'
[07:28] <Squirm> dsktio
[07:28] <Squirm> when I type desktop it doesn't work too well :/
[07:29] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: yeah. I'm hoping it'll set me up for something a lot bigger than where I am now
[07:29] <Squirm> I'm hoping I can do my RHCE through them, but if not, it will be great experience
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> ew
[07:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> In my experience the more a place cares about that sort of thing the less likely I am going to enjoy working there
[07:32] <Trixar_za> That's with MCSE and A+, N+ and Linux+
[07:33] <Trixar_za> RHCE is actually decent
[07:34] <Trixar_za> I once lost my temper with such a employer. After I established that I wont get the job, I told them exactly what I think about people that only hire certification over experience.
[07:35] <Trixar_za> Funny enough, when I get angry, I also get more articulate and my choice of wording improves.
[07:36] <Trixar_za> Although I do have a horrible habit of also using words I've heard before, but don't really know what they mean...
[07:41] <bduk> More almal
[07:41] <Kilos> hi bduk
[07:46] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: I don't want them to push it, but I'd like to do it
[07:48] <Spekko> Morning peeps!
[07:49] <Squirm> 'lo
[07:50] <Kilos> hi Spekko  charl
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> downloading done, installing
[07:51] <Kilos> wow that was fast
[07:51] <charl> does anyone happen to have any experience with the lenovo thinkpad t440?
[07:51] <charl> hi Kilos
[07:51] <charl> i can get it at a really good price (647 euro)
[07:51] <charl> so i'm looking at buying one
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah even less than the 21 minutes it said it would take
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> charl you mean experience as in linux-friendliness or?
[07:52] <charl> yes or experience in general
[07:52] <charl> i'm just asking around before ordering it
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> not that specific model, but i've used other thinkpads, would definitely use again
[07:53] <charl> thinkpads afaik are regarded as some of the ugliest but best laptops around (especially for gnu/linux users)
[07:53] <charl> it's ubuntu certified too
[07:53] <charl> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201310-14260/
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah you should be good
[07:53] <charl> that's a slightly older model though
[07:54] <charl> mine would be a newer version of that
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> only problem i had with my last thinkpad was the fingerprint reader wasn't useable
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> minor
[07:54] <charl> oh i never use that in any case
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah its gimmicky
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'
[07:54] <charl> i don't trust it for one bit
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm a bit spoiled with this ultrabook thing though, not sure if i can ever go back to a normal, fat laptop :-D
[07:55] <charl> yup
[07:55] <charl> this is also considered an ultrabook
[07:55] <charl> the t440
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah, cool
[07:55] <charl> right now i have a lenovo b560
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> whoops lost mouse
[07:56] <charl> not something you would find in a regular store
[07:56] <charl> i ordered it online for 400 euro
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> release upgrade is causing bluetooth to have a fit it seems
[07:57] <charl> ah :(
[07:57] <charl> i don't use any external mice anymore
[07:57] <charl> i have gotten so used to the touchpad i just use that now
[07:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:58] <Kilos> thats the worst thing about lappies
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> can't play minetest with a touchpad :)
[08:02] <charl> ah you addicts...
[08:02] <charl> well better that than meth
[08:04] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:05] <Kilos> bluetooth will most likely work once installed and upgraded
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> 70% installed
[08:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> reboot time
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> that was painless
[08:22] <Squirm> until it fails on boot ;)
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> just rebooted, all good
[08:28] <Kilos> yay
[08:32] <Kilos> lekker when evrything just works
[08:33] <theblazehen> Hey Kilos, others
[08:33] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[08:36] <theblazehen> Hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:12] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:12] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[09:13] <charl> hi inetpro
[09:20] <charl> ok order for the laptop has been placed
[09:20] <charl> looking forward !!
[09:24] <charl> :)
[09:31] <theblazehen> Hey inetpro
[13:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:32] <Kilos> hi superfly  Private_User
[13:33] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[13:33] <superfly> hi Kilos
[14:08] <charl> terve Kilos
[14:09] <Kilos> i beg your humble pardon?
[14:09] <charl> i said i would greet you in finnish
[14:09] <charl> now i did
[14:09] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:09] <charl> i dare you to say that's hollywood influence
[14:09] <charl> :P
[14:09] <Kilos> rofl
[14:10] <charl> what, you mean to tell me you don't speak finnish ?! who doesn't speak finnish ... :D
[14:10] <charl> vittu perkele helvetti
[14:10] <Kilos> normal peeps
[14:11] <Kilos> i only speak englikaans
[14:11] <charl> ah you speak the island language
[14:11] <charl> i speake no ingurishu
[14:11] <Kilos> hmm... are we an island or continent
[14:11] <charl> ingurishu is the language of the island natives
[14:12] <Kilos> ya well i dont speak that
[14:12] <charl> although you speak englikaans, that's a regular continental dialect thankfully
[14:12] <charl> very good
[14:12] <charl> i speak dunglish, it's a crappy english
[14:12] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:12] <charl> it's actually dutch-english
[14:13] <charl> when you say things like "good busy, young!" and people look strange at you
[14:13] <charl> then you realise you just spoke dunglish
[14:13] <Kilos> dutch is a very difficult language
[14:13] <charl> it's not as difficult as finnish thoughn
[14:13] <Kilos> ah
[14:13] <Kilos> i dont know why they add on all the bits and pieces
[14:14] <Kilos> afrikaans is so much easier
[14:14] <charl> dutch is almost as difficult as german
[14:14] <charl> german is also a very hard language
[14:14] <charl> mein deutsch ist echt scheisse
[14:14] <charl> i need to take german lessons
[14:15] <Kilos> but english is the worlds language so speaking it properly is good
[14:15] <Kilos> universal language
[14:15] <charl> deutsch ist komplex... ich begreife es nicht
[14:15] <charl> NL is one of the best english speaking countries in the world... dunglish and all
[14:15] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF_English_Proficiency_Index
[14:16] <charl> #3 on teh list !
[14:17] <Kilos> the main thing is each group understands each other, its only when branching out that english is needed
[14:17] <charl> i really feel like drinking german beer now... i'll buy some hefeweissbier at the shop later
[14:19] <Kilos> im glad i dont drink alcohol
[14:19] <Kilos> waste of money
[14:19] <charl> the bayerische staatsbrauerei weihenstephaner makes some excellent beers, they have been brewing since 1040
[14:20] <Kilos> i have never enjoyed beer unless it was 80+% lemonade
[14:20] <charl> ah the radler... i wouldn't touch it with a stick
[14:20] <charl> we don't drink pink drinks, dave. always, keep it real
[14:20] <Kilos> lol
[14:23] <charl> i wonder where weihenstephaner got its first brewing license from, probably the romans
[14:31] <inetpro> eish!
[14:31] <inetpro> Maaz: translate vittu perkele helvetti
[14:31] <Maaz> inetpro: I couldn't translate that: Please use Translate v2.  See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html.
[14:31] <inetpro> ai!
[14:32] <inetpro> rather not
[14:32] <charl> eh... yup
[14:32] <charl> be careful what you translate inetpro :P
[14:33] <charl> ESPECIALLY if it's finnish :D
[14:33] <Kilos> sjoe did you say bad stuff here
[14:34] <charl> Kilos: it's all in the interpretation ... ;)
[14:34] <Kilos> ai!
[14:35] <Kilos> like the f word
[14:35] <Kilos> some peeps use it in every sentence regardless of company
[14:35] <charl> "the f word" is the name of a town in austria
[14:35] <inetpro> Kilos: anyway, add that to your list of improvements for Maaz
[14:35] <Kilos> i think its very common
[14:35] <charl> in german it isn't profanity
[14:36] <charl> like i said, it's all in the interpretation :P
[14:36] <charl> i happen to speak *some* of a great variety of languages... believe me
[14:36] <charl> i can say things in one language that's perfect everyday language and in a different language it's profane
[14:36] <Kilos> im sure it isnt used by the more educated or higher class peeps
[14:37] <Kilos> movies are full of it now
[14:37] <charl> yeah but those are english speaking movies, then it's profane in any case
[14:37] <charl> some people just have a limited dictionary in their minds
[14:37] <Kilos> ya and use it for empasis
[14:37] <charl> "f* you f*'ing motherf*'er"
[14:38] <Kilos> sjoe that looks wrong
[14:38] <charl> if you talk like that you just demonstrate that you're uneducated
[14:38] <Kilos> yip i dislike that lots
[14:38] <Kilos> emphasis
[14:38] <Kilos> Maaz  spell emphasis
[14:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Yes, you *can* spell
[14:38] <Kilos> oh yay
[14:39] <Kilos> i battle with spelling in both languages
[14:39] <Kilos> but can normally see when a word looks wrong
[14:40] <Kilos> seems like the spelling section of my brain leaked out
[14:43] <charl> home time
[14:43] <charl> have a good evening all!
[16:25] <Kilos> nlsthzn  how was waterworld
[16:30] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos ... it was a lot of fun... still slightly sore and stiff :)_
[16:30] <Kilos> lol
[17:25] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:26] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[17:28] <magespawn> how are things up there? been very windy down here
[17:29] <Kilos> ya and cooler
[17:30] <magespawn> unseasonably cold here, but not really cold
[17:32] <Kilos> we going to 12 again tonight
[17:32] <Kilos> last week we even had a 17
[17:39] <magespawn> you mean number of people?
[17:43] <Golynx> hey , Shuttleworth got his R250 mill back from the reserve bank , but his giving it away lol
[17:44] <Golynx> i thought the guy was broke
[17:44] <Kilos> temp man
[17:47] <Golynx> oh charl not here :/
[17:47] <Kilos> nope
[17:48] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock
[17:48] <Kilos> charlwft this avy already Golynx
[17:48] <Kilos> ai!
[17:48] <Kilos> charl left this avy already
[17:49] <Golynx> Kilos i saw charl today
[17:49] <Kilos> aha  you didnt see him leave
[17:49] <Kilos> [16:43] <charl> home time
[17:49] <Kilos> [16:43] <charl> have a good evening all!
[17:50] <Golynx> yeah must've been an incredible sight
[17:50] <Kilos> sometimes he comes back at night
[17:50] <Kilos> rarely though
[17:51] <Golynx> i like the guy we talked about random news stuff alot, heard his moved to some land
[17:53] <Kilos> he is in the netherlands
[17:53] <Kilos> was here long ago
[17:54] <Golynx> cool, unlimited speed and bandwidth there :p
[17:54] <Kilos> ya
[17:54] <Kilos> swines
[17:56] <Golynx> google launching its internet baloons next year in the southern hemisphere
[17:56] <Golynx> but they starting only in Australia
[17:57] <Kilos> lol typical
[17:57] <Golynx> free LTE doming in the future :)
[17:58] <Golynx> voice calls will be free in a few years time aswell
[17:58] <Golynx> it always seems these chanhes comes too late
[17:58] <Kilos> that will take some doing in za
[17:58] <Golynx> changes*
[17:59] <Kilos> the isps here wont make stuff free for as long as they can hold out
[18:00] <Golynx> i mean the cellular newtwork providers
[18:01] <Golynx> they have to find other ways of generating money in the future, since data is taking over everything
[18:01] <Kilos> they are the worst, look how slowly they are bringing prices down
[18:01] <Golynx> whatsapp will have voip soon
[18:02] <Golynx> so they will be hard hit
[18:03] <Golynx> they have to keep profit margins for their investors
[18:03] <Golynx> but they wont hold out for long
[18:03] <Kilos> long is relative
[18:03] <Kilos> hehe
[18:04] <Kilos> 5 years maybe
[18:04] <Kilos> nothing here is free
[18:04] <Golynx> voice wont last that long
[18:04] <Golynx> yeah 5 years give or take
[18:06] <Golynx> true, they will probably make you pay a set amount p/m for voice but at extremely cheap rates
[18:07] <Golynx> they have to put their money into other services to stay alive , like vodacom going into the banking services sector
[18:09] <Golynx> the wait is painful, but paradise is coming :)
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:10] <magespawn> some of the service providers say they will charge extra fro voip traffic
[18:10] <Kilos> i think the closest you gonna get to free internet is free wifi when they set it up there
[18:11] <Kilos> and then you gotta buy a coffee to get the password thing
[18:11] <magespawn> certain places already offer free wifi
[18:11] <Kilos> ya but too far from me magespawn
[18:12] <Kilos> 7 ks and about 100 metres higher than here
[18:12] <Kilos> with a hill in between
[18:13] <Golynx> magespawn: true, but when you look at the high demand for video in the future they will break under the pressure
[18:14] <magespawn> use the ubiquiti google earth plugin to see how to link up Kilos, but you still need permission
[18:14] <Golynx> free wifi is limited by use like they only give you 250 MB per day, which is fair
[18:14] <Kilos> na its not line of site with me magespawn  , ive even tried a yagi
[18:15] <Kilos> we inna bit of a hole here
[18:15] <Kilos> need a 100 metre mast to get line of site
[18:15] <Kilos> easier to just use 8ta
[18:15] <Golynx> Kilos: my hole is bigger than yours lol
[18:16] <Kilos> lol
[18:17] <Golynx> telkom is making telkom mobile cheaper, but still lack alot in footprint
[18:17] <Kilos> cheaper than the 2+1 promo bundle?
[18:18] <magespawn> put a wireless relay point on top of the hill. who owns the hill?
[18:19] <Golynx> Kilos: thats a good bundle, surely kicks the other offerings
[18:20] <Kilos> yip ive been using it since they started it
[18:21] <Golynx> with googles ballons you gotta have a special kinda antenna attached to your roof to recieve the LTE signal
[18:21] <Golynx> just wished they started rolling it out in africa first
[18:21] <Kilos> i make antennae
[18:22] <Kilos> just need the frequency and you can make your own
[18:22] <Golynx> yeah you can make anything :D
[18:22] <Kilos> but thats years from now as well
[18:23] <Golynx> yip :(
[18:24] <Golynx> facebooks internet streaming drones are even farther years away
[18:25] <spinza> google loon
[18:27] <spinza> http://www.google.com/loon
[18:31] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:55] <kbmonkey> evening
[18:56] <Golynx> hi kbmonkey sir
[18:57] <kbmonkey> hi Golynx
[19:22] <magespawn> turn away for two seconds and hey presto Kilos goes to bed
[19:47] <magespawn> good night all
[20:00] <Joe_knock> Oom Kilos. Hoe gaanit?
[20:05] <bushtech> [20:31:20] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[21:06] <darthanubis> Askubuntu is a great start as well
[21:07] <jtld> Guys - I recommend a change.org petition to companies that refuse to compile ubuntu software, it is a bit of a joke that companies are still providing only RPM's. It is not a bid deal to also make a package that works on Ubuntu. Any here against garnering support for such in the IRC?
[21:10] <OerHeks> jtld, maybe there is an equivalent for those rpm packages
[21:11] <lousygarua> how do  I debug an Intel GMA graphics tearing problem?
[21:12] <jtld> overheks: I posted 10 mins ago looking for one. It is for a tripplite ups, or communigate for example or countless others I have run into.
[21:13] <aitsupn_> why the default font-size is damn small in ubuntu? how can I make it larger?
[21:13] <qrx> hi there
[21:13] <jtld> overheks: if you know of one any help much appreciated.
[21:13] <jtld> running 10.04 LTS server 64 Bit, have TrippLite Smart1000LCD, website only provides suse and fedora software -- best I found on google was for a different UPS and 8.04. Pointers?
[21:13] <qrx> who's playing openarena i need to know something about the config files
[21:14] <mouthwash> ! libreoffice
[21:14] <wilee-nilee> aitsupn_, You using the unity-desktop?
[21:15] <aitsupn_> wilee-nilee: yeah, that is what I got by default I guess
[21:16] <Malgorath> Anyone have any issues with ubuntu and amd/ati 78xx series video cards? wondering if this windows box I have will make a good linux system
[21:16] <OerHeks> jtld i found this > http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/raring/man8/tripplite_usb.8.html
[21:17] <jtld> overhex: will run alien on this one and see what happens - http://www.tripplite.com/shared/software/Application/pasda-app-12.04.0053-1.i386-fedora.rpm will post back
[21:17] <aitsupn_> Malgorath: I had all sort of problems with amd/ati 5450
[21:17] <wilee-nilee> aitsupn_ The unity-tweak-tool has some nice tweaking, not sure if it ia a ppa are included in your installs repos.
[21:17] <Malgorath> aitsupn_: how long ago was that?
[21:17] <OerHeks> !find tripplite
[21:18] <aitsupn_> Malgorath: It was yesterday indeed :) I had to buy myself a gtx660 before moving on
[21:18] <Malgorath> 5450 is quiet dated though isn't it?
[21:18] <aitsupn_> Malgorath: I don't think so, it's still a popular card for low-end
[21:19] <SIFTU> jtld: http://www.networkupstools.org/stable-hcl.html suggests it's supported
[21:20] <Malgorath> aitsupn_: thanks :=/
[21:20] <aitsupn_> Malgorath: You should try to install the latest ati drivers though, it might be related to my card
[21:21] <jtld> siftu: I do appreciate it -- the thread I had found suggested it was not, much appreciated!
[21:21] <aitsupn_> Malgorath: I actually achieved to install the drivers for my graphic card, but those ati drivers performing really poor on linux. It was like 2x better on my windows box
[21:22] <jen> nick fluffyone
[21:22] <fluffyone> could anyone tell me why webcam studio does not work with 12.04?
[21:23] <aitsupn_> wilee-nilee: thanks, I will have a look at the tweak tools
[21:23] <Malgorath> aitsupn_: thats what I hear about ATI/AMD still
[21:24] <jdale> hello?
[21:24] <jdale> anyone?
[21:24] <WeThePeople> what is the best method to compile code, using binary or source code??
[21:25] <k1l> !ask | jdale
[21:25] <jdale> he NVIDIA X driver on jay-home:0.0 is not new
 enough to support the nvidia-settings Display Configuration pag
[21:25] <jdale> The*
[21:25] <jdale> What do I do?
[21:25] <FloodBot1> jdale: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> wethepeople: you dont compile binary, binaries ARE compiled source
[21:25] <jdale> ok
[21:25] <jdale> srry im new
[21:25] <jdale> what do I do?
[21:26] <fluffyone> could someone help me fix my webcamstudio problem? Im an artist and its kind of a big deal
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> !compile | wethepeople
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: what is the issue?
[21:26] <cheaaoi> Buenos noches.
[21:27] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, when i go to launch webcamstudio nothing happens, I am running 12.04
[21:27] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, so installing a program i would use binary, and compiling then installing i would use source code?
[21:27] <jdale> what do I do?
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: try running it from terminal, the output may help
[21:27] <jdale> ActionParsnip,  ?
[21:28] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/idC97VW5
[21:28] <jdale> HEY
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> wethepeople: yes, packages installed using software centre or apt-get will be binaries, there are source packages but the norm is precompiled
[21:28] <jdale> what do I do :P ?
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> jdale: about what, ive never seen you explain the actual issue
[21:29] <jdale> well
[21:29] <jdale> I changed my Nvidia driver from the open source to propreitary
[21:29] <jdale> and
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> jdale: try a little patience too, you arent some sort of priority
[21:29] <jdale> he NVIDIA X driver on jay-home:0.0 is not new
 enough to support the nvidia-settings Display Configuration pag
[21:29] <jdale> the message comes up
[21:30] <jdale> so I wanted to change the resolution im on the reccomended one
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> jdale: what is the output of: lsb_release -sc
[21:30] <jdale> everything is too big
[21:30] <luminous> hello! I am following http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/InstallationUbuntu and after adding their .asc key to apt, my apt-get update breaks with: "W: GPG error: http://ubuntu.bigbluebutton.org bigbluebutton-lucid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 705F9EED328BD16D" - what ought to be done?
[21:31] <jdale> ActionParsnip,
[21:31] <jdale> raring
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: then you need to install java there, seem it expects java in a certain place
[21:31] <jdale> what  does raring mean?
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> jdale: how did you install the driver?
[21:31] <jdale> sofware and updater
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> jdale: raring is the codename of Ubuntu 13.04
[21:31] <jdale> im on lubuntu
[21:31] <aitsupn_> Which irc client would you suggest? I'm currently using xChat, any better alternatives?
[21:32] <jdale> thats what it says
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> aitsupn_: that is entirely subjective, one client is not better than another
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> jdale: try: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[21:33] <aitsupn_> ActionParsnip: I don't like the typography on xChat and I cannot change much, I'm looking for something which is easier to read
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> aitsupun_: try other clients, see which you like
[21:33] <jtld> chatzilla
[21:33] <jdale>  sudo nvidia-xconfig
[21:33] <jdale> ....
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> aitsupun_: i use pidgin and irssi
[21:33] <jdale> comamnd not found
[21:33] <jdale> command
[21:33] <jdale>  sudo nvidia-xconfig
[21:33] <jdale> Command not found
[21:33] <jdale> hm
[21:34] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, still nothing
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> jdale: then run: sudo apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-current
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: have you installed oracle java?
[21:34] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, no?
[21:34] <jdale> ok
[21:34] <jdale> running
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> jdale: which nvidia gpu do you use?
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: its needed.
[21:35] <jdale> NVIDIA fx 5200
[21:35] <jdale> its a old desktop
[21:35] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, how do I get it
[21:35] <jdale> 2,1 ghz single core
[21:35] <jdale> upgradable to 2gb ram
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: there is the webupd8 java ppa
[21:35] <fluffyone> whats the command to install it?
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> jdale: please press ENTER less. You can write very long lines and it makes the channel usable
[21:36] <elkingrey> I'm currently running Fedora, and I've installed non-free software with rpm fusion, and have things like Skype installed and stuff. I'm thinking about switching to Ubuntu and not installing ANY proprietary software. I'm very curious how I can PREVENT myself from accidentally installing any "closed-source" software. Oftentimes I'm installing all sorts of packages and .deb's and such. How do I know if something is FOSS or closed source?
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: use the web you will find it
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> elkingrey: the default install is all opensource by default
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> jdale: i think the nvidia-current package supports the fx5200
[21:38] <elkingrey> ActionParsnip: Yes, but as I use Ubuntu and install new software, how do I prevent accidentally installing closed source software?
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> jdale: otherwise it may need to be ran with the nouveau driver
[21:39] <jdale> ok
[21:39] <jdale> its installing now ActionParsnip
[21:39] <elkingrey> Like, what if I want to install Skype, if I didn't know that that was closed source software I would install it accidentally. How can I prevent that?
[21:39] <jdale> ok installed now ActionParsnip
[21:39] <jdale> ow what?
[21:39] <jdale> Now what?
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> elkingrey: using opensource codecs and so forth will make media players not offer to haul in codecs like mp3 decoders etc
[21:40] <fluffyone> I have no idea wht Im doing ;u;
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: go to a web search engine and search for: java webupd8 ppa
[21:40] <jdale> ok ActionParsnip  its done installing so now what?
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: which is the data which I gave you. Couldnt you form your ownbsearch terms from that...?
 jdale: then run: sudo apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-current
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> jdale: you dont need to keep asking. have some patience (2nd time)
[21:41] <jdale> sorry sorry
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> jdale: rebot the pc, it should load the driver
[21:43] <OerHeks> i was just reading back, there is a 173-updates, ActionParsnip > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+package/nvidia-173-updates
[21:43] <OerHeks> compatible with current xorg 1.13
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> jdale: if the screen doesn't load you may need: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> oerheks: cheers :-)
[21:45] <fluffyone> I think I got it
[21:45] <jay_> thanks AcidRain
[21:45] <jay_> ActionParsnip,
[21:45] <jay_> wroks fine
[21:45] <jay_> :D
[21:45] <FloodBot1> jay_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:45] <jay_> Why was it so big before??
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: why could uyou not work out a search term from the flow of what we discussed
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> jay_: wrong driver
[21:46] <jay_> ah
[21:46] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, I blame google lol
[21:46] <jdale> but it was in propreitary no ActionParsnip  ?
[21:46] <jdale> so wouldnt ie er cahnge?
[21:46] <sifu_> hello folks...how do i use gnome instead of unity in 13.04
[21:46] <SpArTaKo>     killall nautilus
[21:46] <sifu_> unity is crashing on me hard
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> jdale: the default is nouveau, you need to manually install the proprietary
[21:47] <jdale> ah
[21:47] <jdale> so the comamnd works like that?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> sifu_: unity doesnt replace gnone
[21:47] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, no um, I went to a page that had too much advanced linux-talk on it. I needed the commands to install this java
[21:47] <compdoc> sifu_, you could install gnome-session-fallback
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html
[21:48] <sifu_> erm sorry i am bit unfamiliar with it...i do know how to install cinamon wrapper but not sure about anything else...
[21:48] <gerhard> Hi, kmail2 doesn't show all of my emails of the kmail1 maildir folder tree.
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: three terminal commands
[21:48] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, ah I got it installed now, but I think I have to log out and back on to see if webcamstudio works yet
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> sifu_: there is a ppa for cinammon but its not supported here
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: why log out?
[21:49] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, because it isn't working yet
[21:49] <fluffyone> and it still has the no such file or directory error
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: you may need to symlink java to where the studio expects it, or edit the config of the app to look for java elsewhere
[21:49] <sifu_> ActionParsnip, yeh i got that working
[21:50] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, I have no idea what that means
[21:50] <fluffyone> wait
[21:50] <fluffyone> I foudn my error but Im not sure how these people fix it
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> sifu_: i suggest you ask in the mint channel for cinamon support
[21:51] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/Upn7C2N1
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> sifu_: alternatively you can install xfce4 and use XFCE which is GTK based and fully supported here
[21:52] <jdale> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[21:52] <jdale> ActionParsnip,  hm what does this mean? it says this when I open Nvidia-config panel
[21:52] <sayd> to run a service like bitlbee for example on ubuntu coudl i use upstart or do i need to install xinetd
[21:53] <jdale> hm so ActionParsnip  any reasons on what to do?
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: what is the output of: echo $JAVA_DIR
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> jdale: is the screen res ok?
[21:54] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, hmm nothing
[21:54] <jdale> a bit
[21:54] <jdale> but I want it a bit smaller
[21:55] <jdale> so what shall I do?
[21:57] <juniour> ahhhhhhh i finally get rid of crontab, i am happy now, thanks for your help guys
[22:01] <Chris_W_> can anyone help me make a script executable?
[22:01] <[deXter]> Chris_W_, chmod a+rx yourscript
[22:01] <Vinnie_win> If I am installing Ubuntu 13.04 into a VirtualBox running on a 64 bit machine should I use the 64 bit os or the 32 bit one?
[22:02] <Chris_W_> [deXter]:  for INF in *.mkv
[22:02] <Chris_W_> do
[22:02] <Chris_W_>   sudo ffmpeg -i "$INF" -c:v copy -c:a libfaac -ac 2 -ab 328k "${INF%.*}.mp4"
[22:02] <Chris_W_> done
[22:02] <Chris_W_> [deXter]:  how to i make that into a file TO make it executable?
[22:03] <fluffyone> still won't work x-x
[22:04] <jdale> is conluy hard to install
[22:04] <jdale> Conky
[22:05] <esteban> Hey
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: if you run: export JAVA_DIR=/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/bin
[22:05] <Guest71098> I need Hel whit Ubuntu Studio
[22:06] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, it doesn't do anything at all, it lets me type it and I hit enter, but then it does nothing
[22:06] <jdale> Hey can anyone here help me install conky and setup system monitor?
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> fluufyone: may help it run, you need to set that variable correctly and it will run as it is not using the using the standard java
[22:07] <darthanubis> !conky
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> jdale: use software centre install conky
[22:07] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, so what do I do now?
[22:07] <Guest71098> I am a new user to UbuntuStudio, and the wireless isn't run
[22:07] <darthanubis> jdale, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpConky
[22:08] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: run the app you wanted
[22:08] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, sorry not one who uses the terminal and codes
[22:08] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, it still does nothing but give me the error again
[22:08]  * darthanubis codes?
[22:08] <datakid> morning. I'm having trouble apt-get updating
[22:08] <datakid> I can ping the relevant servers
[22:09] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/mswp64a3 this is my same error, but should I log in and log out?
[22:09] <datakid> wget to google is failing though
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: once you find the correct variable, you can add it to your config and the OS will run as you expect
[22:09] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, what does that mean?
[22:09] <datakid> the weird thing is, nothing has changed from last week when I updated successfully
[22:09] <datakid> I've tried changing the servers in my sources.list
[22:10] <darthanubis> apt does not just stop working
[22:10] <66MAAEMMT> having an issue with 13.04 server(32 and 64) freeze immediately after it sets up a network connection
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: what does what mean?
[22:10] <datakid> dig and nslookup are resolving names
[22:10] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, variable? Config? what?
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: JAVA_DIR is a variable
[22:11] <glassresistor> 13.04 crashes when installing the server cd on two different xeon blade servers 1gig ram and 32bit and 4gigs of ram with 64 bit
[22:11] <glassresistor> both with large raid 5 arrays
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: post 14 on that page you keep linking here has what you need. Did you read the page?
[22:12] <glassresistor> its crashing after network setup around the time i suspect it hits the harddrives
[22:12] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, yeah but Im not sure what it all means?
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> datakid: can you pastebin the output of: sudo apt-get update
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> fluffyone: one way to learn...
[22:13] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, and I downloaded this patch thing, not sure what this is either
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> flufuone: you just need to set the java_dir variable correctly
[22:13] <jdale> http://imgur.com/wGuCpN5
[22:14] <jdale> im trying to make my desktop like that
[22:14] <jdale> so im not sure what to do
[22:14] <jwg2s> Should preparing to replace mysql-server when upgrading packages ever hang for more than 5 minutes?
[22:14] <jdale> This was my old desktop
[22:14] <fluffyone> ActionParsnip, I don't know linux code
[22:14] <jwg2s> I think I'm in a weird state and not sure about whether to kill this and reboot and try again or what
[22:14] <guts> There seems to be little documentation on how to do this by hand, but looking for detailed instructions for setting up fake RAID 0 with 13.04
[22:15] <yesman> folks for some reason mobo wont boot linux or windows from usb dvd, it gets stuck. however win install works fine from hdd, is it something in bios settings?
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> flufyone: i gave you a sample command earlier, just read the thread and try the variables stated
[22:15] <yesman> live cd also seems to work however install does now
[22:15] <yesman> not
[22:15] <glassresistor> is there an easy way to debug whens freezing an install?  typically i just retry until it works but i'd rather figure out why this is crashing
[22:16] <yesman> glassresistor: same here install freezes
[22:16] <yesman> I think in my case its something to do with bios
[22:16] <glassresistor> yesman: between network setup and harddrive formatting or where?
[22:16] <Draxelis> ladies and gentlemen!!!! I have a sin to confess!!!!!!!!!!  I tried out windows 8
[22:17] <yesman> glassresistor:  mine stucks at the start, I tried win cd same goes a bit then stuck
[22:17] <fluffyone> actionparsnip, http://pastebin.com/7iccn1xb how would I write this? sudo patch webcamstudio home/diff_webcamstudio_uname.patch?
[22:17] <yesman> :)
[22:17] <fluffyone> Draxelis, eeew
[22:17] <glassresistor> my only real indicator is its happening on 2 different machines with two different disks (32/64) and its locking after network setup ends and its about to go to the next step
[22:18] <yesman> glassresistor: what do u use to boot? usb dvd?
[22:18] <glassresistor> yesman: cd these servers are pre usb boot
[22:18] <Draxelis> fluffyone,  ye i know... that was a weak moment... but good thing is that I managed repair grub and I'm back now on my beloved ubuntu!!!!!
[22:18] <Draxelis> :D
[22:18] <yesman> glassresistor: so any idea how to fix it? how i can flash bios?
[22:18] <Draxelis> 13.04 has some issues but still it's faaaaaaaaaaaaaar better than anything out there;)
[22:19] <yesman> 13.04 are u sure?
[22:19] <fluffyone> Draxelis, Im starting to think I need to switch to windows again now though e-e, shouldn't have updated
[22:19] <yesman> I think 12.04 is fine
[22:19] <glassresistor> yesman: im not sure if your issue is related to that
[22:19] <glassresistor> please drop specs
[22:19] <glassresistor> and does 12.04 install?
[22:19] <lacy> question is it hard to install nvidia linux display drivers ?
[22:19] <yesman> glassresistor:  its some gyga mobo and no
[22:19] <glassresistor> yesman: desktop?
[22:20] <Draxelis> windows 7 is not too bad, but win8 is total disaster :D
[22:20] <lacy> laptop
[22:20] <yesman> yes
[22:20] <glassresistor> pm me with other info
[22:20] <Draxelis> I'm not productive on windows
[22:20] <Draxelis> <3 linux/ubuntu
[22:20] <Draxelis> :D
[22:20] <imbezol> howdy.. just upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10. Seems most apps are stuck in fullscreen now.. firefox, amarok, nautilus.. etc. anyone know how to fix this?
[22:20] <Draxelis> amma free man again!
[22:21] <lacy> lol Draxelis
[22:21] <Draxelis> :D
[22:21] <Draxelis> i'm truly happy :)
[22:21] <Draxelis> when you lose something..you realise how bad you need it :D
[22:21] <lacy>  question is it hard to install nvidia linux display drivers ?
[22:22] <fluffyone> anyone else think they can help me? I can't get webcamstudio working and I just installed oracle java and all that jazz, it still doesn't work and I don't know what Im doing
[22:23] <meetri> is there a way to globally configure  double click word selection.
[22:23] <yesman> ok maybe i have to change stuff on cmos?
[22:23] <yesman> to fix that boot issue?
[22:23] <yesman> load fail safe defaults for example
[22:26] <evilytwisted> can someone tell me whats going on with this http://oi43.tinypic.com/s5yb8n.jpg and how do i fix this?
[22:26] <SIFTU> fluffyone: you did update-alternatives?
[22:27] <lacy>  how do you run open gl ? in xterm
[22:27] <fluffyone> SIFTU, what?
[22:27] <SIFTU> fluffyone: did you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[22:27] <uvala> hello, I'd like to install raring, I see that it says 64 bit (for newer machines)..I have an 64 bit machine but not new. shouldnt I install it?
[22:28] <SIFTU> uvala: install 64bit if your CPU is 64 bit
[22:29] <darthanubis> 64bit is 64bit. Whats to ponder?
[22:29] <k-stz> lacy: never had a problem myself
[22:29] <uvala> SIFTU, thank you. it is an 64 bit machine. to be sure, could you please help me know the command to show CPU info?
[22:29] <SIFTU> uvala: you can do "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[22:29] <OerHeks> evilytwisted, what game is that?
[22:29] <evilytwisted> OerHeks:  WoW
[22:30] <evilytwisted> the graphics though isnt suposed to be liek that
[22:30] <jdale> mkdir -p ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/
[22:30] <jdale> touch ~/.config/lxsessions/Lubuntu/autostart
[22:30] <jdale> leafpad autostart
[22:30] <jdale> this commmand isnt working in Lubuntu
[22:31] <jdale> mkdir -p ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/
[22:31] <jdale> touch ~/.config/lxsessions/Lubuntu/autostart
[22:31] <jdale> leafpad autostart
[22:31] <jdale> ...
[22:31] <FloodBot1> jdale: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:31] <jdale> what do I do?
[22:31] <darthanubis> which cmd, you pasted 3?
[22:31] <jdale> Itsn ot working
[22:31] <k1l> !patience | jdale
[22:31] <uvala> SIFTU, the only places I see the number 64 is here: clflush size	: 64   cache_alignment: 64   do they mean 64bit?
[22:31] <fluffyone> SIFTU, I have no idea why webcamstudio won't work,  do not understand what to do
[22:31] <darthanubis> jdale, do not pm ppl who don't invite you and whom you have not asked
[22:32] <k1l> jdale: getting annoying will not motivate someone to help you :/
[22:32] <jdale> sorry darthanubis
[22:32] <darthanubis> np
[22:32] <jdale> anyways
[22:32] <jdale> I set conky up and installed it etc
[22:32] <uvala> there are also some other 64s shown here and there in the command output
[22:32] <SIFTU> fluffyone: last I saw it couldnt find java
[22:32] <homelesskid> hmm
[22:33] <yesman> is there some hardware channel
[22:33] <yesman> on freenode
[22:33] <k1l> yesman: ##hardware
[22:33] <yesman> ty
[22:34] <jdale> hm
[22:34] <jdale> anyways
[22:34] <jdale> It cant seem run the the Lubuntu script
[22:34] <jdale> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpConky
[22:34] <jdale> on here ^
[22:34] <jdale> I want to make conky autostart
[22:34] <FloodBot1> jdale: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:35] <fluffyone> http://pastebin.com/qR1DPv0A still having the SAME problem just don't understand what to do
[22:35] <jdale> Im on that section so im not sure what to do
[22:35] <yesman> hardware channel wants auth nick
[22:35] <yesman> like what? :D
[22:35] <Dr_willis> jdale,  i just make a  bash script and put it in the .config/autorun/
[22:35] <glassresistor> yesman: get auth nick
[22:35] <yesman> I love tor endless auth is mad!
[22:35] <k1l> yesman: ask in #freenode for that, that is not ubuntu specific
[22:35] <yesman> ok ok
[22:35] <SIFTU> fluffyone: and did you run the update-alternatives?
[22:35] <k1l> !enter | jdale
[22:36] <k1l> jdale: stop flooding the channel.
[22:36] <fluffyone> SIFTU, how do you do that
[22:36] <SIFTU> fluffyone: in that link I provided
[22:37] <fluffyone> SIFTU, I still don't follow what you mean
[22:38] <AsSlowAsHell> For untrusted machines on my network, I want all internet traffice to be blocked but have the ability to whitelist by IP and by DNS name -- what tools would I use to acomplish this?
[22:38] <AsSlowAsHell> This is on a gateway machine running Ubuntu 12 LTS
[22:39] <jdale> Anyways, I've been trying to fix this issue. Would someone help me make conky be able to auto start?
[22:39] <SIFTU> fluffyone: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[22:39] <jdale> http://imgur.com/wGuCpN5. I'm trying to make it like my old desktop in this photo
[22:39] <darthanubis> AsSlowAsHell, a router
[22:39] <yesman>  /msg nickserv register 123456<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:39] <yesman> :D
[22:39] <yesman> hmm
[22:39] <scar_eyeball> AsSlowAsHell: opendns
[22:39] <Dr_willis> jdale,  so? that should be rather easy to do.
[22:39] <fluffyone> SIFTU, what number do i pick or shall I pastebin it?
[22:40] <SIFTU> fluffyone: the java you just installed
[22:40] <jdale> How do I do that Dr_willis ?
[22:40] <jdale> I got it installed but how do I get it to autostart?
[22:40] <fluffyone> yeah I don't know what one I just got Im uber confused right now
[22:40] <SIFTU> fluffyone: something about java 7
[22:40] <jdale> Add this line to the autostart file: <<<< . I'm not sure what that means
[22:40] <darthanubis> jdale, you are wasting time asking instead of trying. Conky is real simple, and you have the document with detailed instructions.
[22:41] <cronos> hello world
[22:41] <darthanubis> yo
[22:41] <Dr_willis> jdale,  the conky faq mentions making a script in your /home/YOURUSERNAME/.config/autostart directory
[22:41] <scar_eyeball> AsSlowAsHell: norton offers free dns web filtering. But opendns is free and you have many options
[22:41] <AsSlowAsHell> scar_eyeball, OpenDNS is not something you run on your local network, correct?  It is a remote service
[22:41] <fluffyone> so I should get java-7-openjdk/jre/bin/java? or java-7-oracle/jre/bin/java
[22:41] <Dr_willis> jdale,  it will have like 3 lines in it... #!/bin/bash      sleep 30      conky &
[22:41] <darthanubis> AsSlowAsHell, don't ever use Norton for anything
[22:41] <scar_eyeball> As
[22:42] <jdale> h: cannot touch ‘/home/jay/.config/lxsessions/Lubuntu/autostart’: No such file or directory
[22:42] <jdale> . I get this mesage darthanubis
[22:42] <AsSlowAsHell> darthanubis, yeah I steer far clear of Norton and Symmantec
[22:42] <darthanubis> good
[22:42] <SIFTU> jdale: I always used the openbox autostart file
[22:42] <jdale> hm
[22:42] <fluffyone> SIFTU, so I should get java-7-openjdk/jre/bin/java? or java-7-oracle/jre/bin/java
[22:42] <jdale> SIFTU,  care if I message you?
[22:42] <SIFTU> fluffyone: try the open one
[22:42] <cronos> i need tool hacking for ubuntu help me please (sorry i have a bad english ^^)
[22:42] <jdale> You can help me walk through it?
[22:42] <SIFTU> jdale: permission granted, thanks for asking
[22:42] <Dr_willis> jdale,  i just use  ~/.config/autostart/startconky.sh
[22:43] <scar_eyeball> AsSlowAsHell: you can set it up per machine or the router to filter anything connected even wifi
[22:43] <fluffyone> SIFTU, http://pastebin.com/YkyJbS4H this is what I get
[22:44] <scar_eyeball> AsSlowAsHell: most routers will allow you to set DNS and all operating systems allow you set DNS.
[22:44] <fluffyone> I swear Im gonna give up here in a second
[22:45] <AsSlowAsHell> scar_eyeball, yes but from what I understand the setup involves pointing your router or the machine's DNS server to their DNS server correct?
[22:45] <AsSlowAsHell> scar_eyeball, I want some kind of dnsmasq type thing that runs locally on my network and I can do the blocking from there
[22:45] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. looks like lubuntu dont take  autostart any more.. I thought it used to.. odd.
[22:45] <SIFTU> fluffyone: ok good, does it work now??
[22:45] <darthanubis> fluffyone, take a break. Frustration will not help you or us.
[22:46] <scar_eyeball> AsSlowAsHell: yes you have to point to their DNS. So it requires no software. Independant of operating system
[22:47] <scar_eyeball> AsSlowAsHell: norton offers it to for free but only has three settings. Not very configuable.
[22:47] <jen> nope doesn't work
[22:47] <WeThePeople> i just installed ubuntu-server 13.04 x64 in virtualbox, how do i access it through ssh?
[22:48] <darthanubis> !ssh
[22:48] <darthanubis> WeThePeople, #ubuntu-server
[22:49] <darthanubis> WeThePeople, you need to also figure out how to make your VBox instead share your Lan
[22:49] <scar_eyeball> AsSlowAsHell: well i just use it as parental control. Works greAt
[22:50] <WeThePeople> thanks darthanubis
[22:50] <WeThePeople> thats called a bridge
[22:50] <darthanubis> no doubt
[22:50] <darthanubis> glad you know that
[22:50] <darthanubis> ;)
[22:50] <darthanubis> now your done
[22:51] <WeThePeople> lol
[22:52] <[deXter]> !lts
[22:53] <AsSlowAsHell> scar_eyeball, yeah that won't block access from things connecting by IP and it's reliant on an external resource.  I'd prefer something that runs on my router that sits between my ISP's DNS and my local area network DNS requests -- something like dnsmasq hmmm
[22:53] <darthanubis> AsSlowAsHell, zentyal
[22:53] <[deXter]> Can someone please clarify the current LTS situation? When they say 12.04 is the exception.. does it mean *every* LTS release from here on is supported for 5 years? Or is 12.04 the only exception, like ever?
[22:53] <AsSlowAsHell> darthanubis, oo that looks interseting
[22:53] <darthanubis> ;)
[22:54] <darthanubis> you can install in right from the repos
[22:54] <darthanubis> !zentyal
[22:54] <AsSlowAsHell> darthanubis, awesome! thanks will play with that
[22:54] <darthanubis> cheers!
[22:54] <k1l> [deXter]: from 12.04 (including 12.04) on they get 5years support for desktop and server
[22:55] <[deXter]> k1l, Ah, thanks. Someone should re-word !lts in ubottu then, it's misleading. :)
[22:55] <scar_eyeball> AsSlowAsHell: sounds like you want a firewall. I heard of smoothwall. But think that may require you run a machine as a server.
[22:57] <fluffone> is this a correct command lol sudo patch `which webcamstudio` home/diff_webcamstudio_uname.patch or does home need a $ in front of it?
[22:57] <lasers> [deXter]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)#History_and_development_process :)
[22:58] <scar_eyeball> AsSlowAsHell: think smoothea
[22:58] <SJr> I have mounted a filesystem with sshfs, but there is a specific directory I cannot ls now for some reason. I can still see files in the directory and change them but ls just says permission denied. I have no idea what is causing it.
[22:58] <Dr_willis> fluffone,  normally you patch the SOURCE code, then recompile. not the binary
[22:58] <Dr_willis> fluffone,  so i would say thats wrong.
[22:59] <fluffone> Dr_willis, yeh I don't know what im doing :)
[22:59] <Dr_willis> fluffone,  last i looked at webcam studio - it hadent been in development for a long time..  whats the last time it was updated?
[22:59] <scar_eyeball> AsSlowAsHell: think smoothwall has operating system you run on your server
[23:00] <fluffone> Dr_willis, no idea, i just update to 12.04 from 11.10 or something and now it won't run
[23:00] <Dr_willis> fluffone,  webcamstudio uses java.. so it may not like your java vesion
[23:00] <jdale> who was I talking to?
[23:01] <[deXter]> lasers, Thanks, but still, someone has to update ubottu :)
[23:02] <connor__> Greetings, I have decided to try a btrfs install, and beforehand created images of my old root and home partitions. What is the best way to restore my old system and files onto my new btrfs install?
[23:02] <Dr_willis> jdale,  heres a working ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart  file
[23:02] <Dr_Willis_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5662780/
[23:03] <connor__> Should I just do a straight copy using a live disk and preserve permissions? Do I only need to preserve the new fstab and crypttab?
[23:03] <EGamerHDK> To share a file system from one Liunx host to another, what file has to be configured on the host that is sharing the file system?
[23:03] <Dr_willis> EGamerHDK,  share using what method? samba? nfs?
[23:04] <EGamerHDK> I believe NFS?
[23:04] <Dr_Willis_> !nfs
[23:04] <Dr_Willis_> nfs use /etc/exports i think
[23:05] <darthanubis> EGamerHDK, I just did it and use autofs to mount the shares
[23:05] <darthanubis> !autofs
[23:06] <EGamerHDK> Interesting. Do you guys mind if I pick your brains over a few questions. Some are from my homework, but this class is moving really fast, so I'm having a hard time.
[23:06] <darthanubis> EGamerHDK, fine line there btw homework and help, but shoot
[23:07] <Dr_Willis_> EGamerHDK:  might be better to use #ubuntu-offtopic if its Not ubuntu related
[23:07] <EGamerHDK> My high school CS professor asks us tricky questions... like "A DNS server can also be a DNS client." Which, I believe is false, but if you try hardenough it may be possible
[23:07] <uvala> where do I see whether my CPU is 64 bit?
[23:07] <EGamerHDK> Okay Dr_Willis_
[23:07] <darthanubis> yeah, what Doc said. You should not have mentioned homework pal
[23:07] <EGamerHDK> Honesty is the best policy
[23:07] <EGamerHDK> =p
[23:07] <lasers> uvala: lscpu, maybe.
[23:07] <darthanubis> uvala, on the box your pc came in
[23:07] <scar_eyeball> connor__: brtfs hope it goes good. Was about to try it once but setup was more than ext3
[23:07] <OerHeks> lscpu
[23:08] <uvala> yo! lasers, thank you very much!
[23:08] <Dr_Willis_> my desktop pc - Is working as a dns server. (to the rest of the lan) and as a dns client.. ( getting dns info from the google dns servers)
[23:08] <OerHeks> you might need sudo to run lscpu properly
[23:08] <lasers> uvala: word!
[23:08] <Vinnie_win> What is this Amazon garbage on my Ubuntu taskbar after a fresh install of desktop?
[23:08] <Dr_Willis_> !noads | Vinnie_win
[23:08] <uvala> darthanubis, thanks, that is not available :)
[23:09] <Dr_Willis_> !adlens
[23:09] <darthanubis> uvala, no need for sudo for lscpu
[23:09] <darthanubis> uvala, try lsusb, and lspci
[23:09] <uvala> no, lscpu worked
[23:09] <uvala> it showed
[23:09] <darthanubis> ls =list
[23:09] <uvala> I mean, the box of the pc is not thre
[23:09] <uvala> there*
[23:10] <uvala> all fine, I got the info
[23:10] <zastaph> getting the "System program problem detected" dialog (apport), how do I view the actual problem detected?
[23:12] <EGamerHDK> user “root” run the ping command and got the following:[root@linux]# ping xyzconnect: Network is unreachableWhat is the most likely reason for the above error message?
[23:12] <scar_eyeball> Dr_Willis_: google dns is supposed to speed up thinv
[23:12] <scar_eyeball> Dr_Willis_: google dns is supposed to speed up things
[23:12] <darthanubis> EGamerHDK, many reasons
[23:13] <fluffone> okay how do I install java sun and replace the java I have now?
[23:13] <EGamerHDK> darthanubis: A. The system cannot resolve the host name "xyz" B. There are no routes to the host "xyz" C. DNS is n ot configured correctly on the local Linux system D. NFS is not configured correctly for host "xyz"
[23:13] <Dr_Willis_> !java
[23:14] <Vinnie_win> How do I remove a package?
[23:14] <glassresistor> Vinnie_win: apt-get remove ...
[23:14] <Vinnie_win> oh...so, the command line then. There's no GUI?
[23:15] <Dr_Willis_> !manual | Vinnie_win
[23:15] <glassresistor> Vinnie_win: probably in the software center, just dont use it
[23:15] <Dr_Willis_> theres a rather large icon on the left hand side that says 'software center'
[23:15] <Vinnie_win> A manual! That will help thanks
[23:16] <fluffone> alrighty does anyone know of any alternatives to use INSTEAD OF webcamstudio for livestreaming on ubuntu 12.04??????
[23:16] <darthanubis> Vinnie_win, you said the cmd line because how could you miss the GUI?
[23:16] <darthanubis> he not you
[23:16] <Vinnie_win> darthanubis: I tried a search and entered "package" but nothing matched
[23:17] <darthanubis> Vinnie_win, and yes, documentation is written so redundant questions are easily referred to for answers
[23:17] <darthanubis> Vinnie_win, you need to be way more specific. You searched what were? What package did you install? Installed it from where?
[23:18] <darthanubis> etc
[23:18] <LFS> hey, I'm runing ubuntu 11.10 and I'm wondering if the vlc versions showing on this page will work if install it http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html please advise
[23:18] <darthanubis> LFS, it should say right there on the page
[23:18] <glassresistor> LFS: install from pkg manager
[23:18] <LFS> otherwise I'll have to downloand and compile the source
[23:18] <LFS> do you mean apt-get install?
[23:18] <glassresistor> darthanubis: not a he
[23:18] <darthanubis> LFS, you will never have to install vlc from source, ever.
[23:18] <LFS> is not doing any good
[23:19] <glassresistor> LFS: yes
[23:19] <darthanubis> glassresistor, COOL
[23:19] <Dr_Willis_> older versions of vlc should be in the repos for 11.10
[23:19] <Dr_Willis_> !11.10
[23:19] <LFS> I've been strugling compiling ffmpeg and libav all day without results
[23:19] <lasers> I see that link points to apt://vlc
[23:19] <darthanubis> LFS, why?
[23:19] <Dr_Willis_> older ubuntu releases may not support the apt:// type urls
[23:20] <Anonynous> if I do a ubuntu minimal install, am I free from amazon adware and spyware?
[23:20] <darthanubis> sudo apt-get install vlc
[23:20] <darthanubis> done
[23:20] <Dr_Willis_> Anonynous:  its not spywre or adware.. and youi can easially uninstall the adlens/disable it if you want
[23:20] <LFS> because the original shipped libav is outdated and I was advised to remove ffmpeg and resintall the whole thing from scratch
[23:20] <EGamerHDK> What command would I use if I want to see all directories and files, including hidden files of your home directory /root in long listing format?
[23:20] <LFS> and I needed mss2 codecs support very badly
[23:20] <Dr_Willis_> and if you do a minimal install and install the ubuntu-desktop package. it will be the same as a normal ubuntu install.
[23:21] <darthanubis> LFS, that is what medibuntu is for
[23:21] <lasers> EGamerHDK: This question... You can find out yourself.  Honestly.
[23:21] <somsip_> Anonynous: this will be installed if you install the packages that contain the adlens(s). Which is probably a part of Unity
[23:21] <Dr_Willis_> LFS:  and why are you not just using a newer version of ubuntu?
[23:21] <EGamerHDK> lasers: ls -l /root?
[23:21] <LFS> I just released the vlc is 2.0.4 and newer supports that and I didn't have to do anything with ffmpeg & libav
[23:22] <darthanubis> Anonynous, I removed amazon, and adlens the moment the system cme up
[23:22] <LFS> Dr_Willis_: my internet account has a limited qouta
[23:22] <darthanubis> turn remembering stuff off in the privacy settings
[23:22] <LFS> I can't afford downloading dvds
[23:22] <darthanubis> Ubuntu is still linux
[23:23] <connor__> scar_eyeball: Thanks, I think I am just going to use "cp -p -r -u -x -v /old /new" but now I am unclear whether I can restore /usr or not
[23:24] <connor__> scar_eyeball: Also now that this btrfs setup is working I am thinking of also trying ZFS on linux
[23:24] <hedin> Hi, How can I upgrade kvm to 1.4 in ubuntu-12.04 lts?
 Anonynous:  its not spywre or adware..             lel, what is it then
[23:25] <Dr_Willis_> read the dozens of articals about the adlens Anonynous .. and the  official ubuntu blog postings on it.. if you want to discuss it.. ask  in #ubuntu-offtopic  its not really a support issue
[23:26] <Dr_Willis_> !adlens
[23:28] <LFS> no reply means going ahead to compile the source
[23:28] <LFS> cheers
[23:28] <Kamilion> uh, i need a little help... I'm trying to setup nfs, and the instructions tell me "ensure that NEED_IDMAPD is set to YES in /etc/conf.d/nfs-common.conf". There are a bunch of other NEED_ lines, but I don't see NEED_IDMAPD at all. wat do?
[23:28] <Dr_Willis_> good luck with that.. ;)
[23:28] <fluffone> how do I install java sun????
[23:28] <Dr_Willis_> fluffone:  its oracle java these days.. sun sold out to oracle
[23:28] <Kamilion> Do I add the environment variable? Is it deprecated in 13.04?
[23:28] <Dr_Willis_> Kamilion:  add the whole line to the file perhaps?
[23:29] <Kamilion> Dr_Willis_: but why was it removed in 13.04
[23:29] <Dr_Willis_> Kamilion: no idea. i dont use NFS.
[23:29] <Kamilion> Dr_Willis_: the instructions say I should turn it on for 11.10 and before
[23:30] <Dr_Willis_> could be the guide is old. and that option is not needed these days..
[23:31] <Kamilion> that was my understanding. But the functionality it provides (mapping uid between server/client) does not seem to be functional. Everything shows up as owned by 'nobody.nogroup'.
[23:34] <Kamilion> agh; figured it out
[23:34] <Kamilion> grrrr
[23:36] <anouar1> hi
[23:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Yo
[23:37] <betrayd> silver
[23:37] <SonikkuAmerica> gold
[23:38] <anouar1> someone can share how to download anything from armitage hucking xp ?? ty
[23:38] <fluffone> okay I just want to share my deskktop with livestream how can I do that now on ubuntu?
[23:38] <evilytwisted> fluffone: justin.tv
[23:38] <evilytwisted> you can share you screen
[23:38] <SonikkuAmerica> fluffone: TeamViewer
[23:38] <anouar1> record my desktop
[23:38] <anouar1> is cool
[23:38] <evilytwisted> skype even..
[23:38] <fluffone> I need it live though
[23:38] <fluffone> like livestream
[23:39] <jdale> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[23:39] <anouar1> oh cool
[23:39] <fluffone> but livestream sucks because linux isn't supported
[23:39] <jdale> I have this error message and how can i fix it?
[23:39] <Dr_Willis_> jdale:  you did install the nvidia drivers?
[23:39] <jdale> yeah I did Dr_Willis_
[23:39] <jdale> everything is big again
[23:39] <excelsio1a> sup
[23:39] <fluffone> I need a procaster
[23:39] <jdale> I did the reisntallation command Actionparsnip gave me
[23:39] <jdale> what do I do?
[23:40] <Dr_Willis_> jdale:  you did reboot after reinstalling them?
[23:40] <jdale> oh well no
[23:40] <jdale> er well yes
[23:40] <fluffone> I regret thinking linux was a good artwork operating system e-e
[23:40] <jdale> sorry I meant to say yes I did
[23:40] <jdale> and they changed
[23:40] <jdale> but now its big again
[23:40] <excelsio1a> and what's up?
[23:40] <FloodBot1> jdale: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:40] <darthanubis> fluffone, don't cry about it here
[23:40] <anouar1> lol
[23:41] <Dr_Willis_> 'artwork operating system' ? what a weird term
[23:41] <darthanubis> just because it does not work for you. But Ubuntu is NOT Linux
[23:41] <jdale> what do I do Dr_Willis_
[23:42] <Dr_Willis_> jdale:  i rarely have nvidia issues. I just install the nvidia-current package, reboot. and run the nvidia-settings tool. sounds like your system is not likeing your drivers, or not using them - if nvidia-settings is cimplaining
[23:42] <SonikkuAmerica> darthanubis: Ubuntu isn't Linux? What, it's FreeBSD now?
[23:42] <jdale> can I pm you Dr_Willis_  ?
[23:42] <jdale> get some help
[23:43] <darthanubis> SonikkuAmerica, really, you did not understand my statement?
[23:43] <Dr_Willis_> jdale:  i rarely have to fight with the nvidia drivers.. so dont really have a lot of suggestions.. what drivers did you use? the ones from the repos? or the ones from nvidia.com?
[23:43] <SonikkuAmerica> darthanubis: Linux is not Ubuntu, but Ubuntu is Linux-based!!
[23:43] <jdale> repos
[23:43]  * darthanubis I did not know I needed to spell that out
[23:44] <th0r> SonikkuAmerica, if Linux is not Ubuntu, then it follows that Ubuntu is not Linux
[23:44] <EGamerHDK> The firewalls on linux host1 and host2 are disabled. From host1, user root runs the "ping host2" command. The command does not have any return packets coming back from host2.
[23:44] <EGamerHDK> Which command can be used to trouble shoot this issue?
[23:44] <Dr_Willis_> EGamerHDK:  you do have a proper ip on both machines?
[23:45] <darthanubis> EGamerHDK, you need to fix your network issue first
[23:46] <Controlsfreek> Having a lot of trouble since recent updates of 13.04 connecting to Wifi. is this a common problem/
[23:46] <anouar1> can any one tell me whay portmapper not starting in my kali
[23:46] <anouar1> linux
[23:46] <SonikkuAmerica> th0r: Your flaw is as follows: If Linux is Ubuntu, then it can't be anything else, or else openSUSE, RHEL, Fedora, DSL, SLiTaZ and all the other Linux-based distros are Ubuntu (which they're not)
[23:46] <SonikkuAmerica> !backtrack | anouar1
[23:47] <anouar1> yes
[23:47] <SonikkuAmerica> anouar1: So join #kali-linux
[23:47] <anouar1> sory
[23:48] <joebobjoe> Hello all. How do I debug a laggy SSH connection with my VPS? Ping times to and from are fine, as is a quick dd IOPS test to dev/null
[23:49] <pulseproblems> I have sound working.  Sound works at login screen and continues to work.  I am unable to use pavucontrol, as it won't connect to pulseaudio.  Any suggestions as to why I cannot connect locally?
[23:49] <SonikkuAmerica> pulseproblems: Are you using Unity?
[23:49] <darthanubis> joebobjoe, get with your vps or isp provider(s)
[23:49] <pulseproblems> SonikkuAmerica: 12.04 w. gnome-classic
[23:50] <darthanubis> I have not had to adjust pulse in maybe at least 3-4 releases of Ubuntu. Sound just works now.
[23:50] <darthanubis> maybe I'm lucky
[23:52] <pulseproblems> SonikkuAmerica2: 12.04 w. gnome-classic
[23:52] <yofun> yofun@yofun:~$  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mercurial-ppa/releases sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found?
[23:52] <pulseproblems> SonikkuAmerica: 12.04 w. gnome-classic
[23:52] <yofun> its a fresh installed vps
[23:53] <Dr_Willis_> !find add-apt-repository
[23:53] <yofun> i did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[23:53] <pulseproblems> yofun: You need python-software-properties, first
[23:53] <SonikkuAmerica> pulseproblems: OK, OK!
[23:53] <Dr_Willis_>  which add-apt-repository
[23:53] <Dr_Willis_> /usr/bin/add-apt-repository
[23:54] <yofun> soo what do i do?
[23:54] <pulseproblems> python-software-properties contains add-apt-repository and is *not* installed by default any longer
[23:54] <SonikkuAmerica> pulseproblems: Applications > System Tools > Prefs > Sound should be a front-end for pavucontrol unless your sound is ALSA.
[23:54] <pulseproblems> sudo apt-get install python-software-properties yofun
[23:55] <pulseproblems> SonikkuAmerica: If I bring up 'Sound', I get no hardware listed.  It only lists if pavucontrol can actually connect, which it has in the past
[23:55] <EGamerHDK> How do I search the permissions of files?
[23:55] <pulseproblems> SonikkuAmerica: I've tried deleting ~/.pulse/
[23:55] <SonikkuAmerica> EGamerHDK: [ ls -la ] in the directory you're in
[23:55] <pulseproblems> EGamerHDK: You could do: ls -la /path/to/files
[23:55] <yofun> command still not found pulseproblems
[23:56] <jakemp> ctrl alt + arrow no longer switch workspaces
[23:56] <SonikkuAmerica> pulseproblems: Try purging and reinstalling pulseaudio
[23:56] <jakemp> ><
[23:56] <SonikkuAmerica> jakemp: 13.04?
[23:56] <jakemp> yes SonikkuAmerica
[23:56] <Kamilion> yofun: apt-get install software-properties-common
[23:56] <SonikkuAmerica> jakemp: You have to enable workspaces in gnome-control-center
[23:56] <pulseproblems> SonikkuAmerica: I've tried install --reinstall, but if I try to remove --purge pulseaudio, it tries to remove ubuntu-desktop package
[23:56] <exad> I didn't like 13.04, installed 12.04 instead.
[23:57] <SonikkuAmerica> pulseproblems: That won't do anything drastic, ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage
[23:57] <SonikkuAmerica> pulseproblems: Besides, if you care about it, just reinstall ubuntu-desktop after purging pulseaudio
[23:57] <pulseproblems> SonikkuAmerica: It was the difference in removing pulseaudio and pulseaudio-* :P
[23:57] <jdale> SIFTU,  ?
[23:57] <EGamerHDK> SonikkuAmerica: and pulseproblems so if I was in my home directory and typed:
[23:57] <EGamerHDK> umask 044
[23:57] <EGamerHDK> mkdir dir
[23:57] <EGamerHDK> cd dir
[23:57] <EGamerHDK> touch filename
[23:57] <EGamerHDK> What permission would filename have?
[23:57] <FloodBot1> EGamerHDK: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:58] <Dr_Willis_> EGamerHDK:  why not do the commands and look and see?
[23:58] <exad> lol
[23:58] <jakemp> ty SonikkuAmerica
[23:58] <Dr_Willis_> 777-044 would be my guess
[23:58] <SonikkuAmerica> jakemp: (System Settings > Appearance > Behavior tab)
[23:58] <EGamerHDK> Dr_Willis_:  I did, but no ls-l gives me letters not numbers
[23:58] <Dr_Willis_> EGamerHDK:  learn to convert?
[23:58] <Dr_Willis_> !permissions
[23:58] <pulseproblems> SonikkuAmerica: Thanks for your help.  Will report back after rebooting :D
[23:59] <jdale> hey Dr_Willis_  I got this
[23:59] <SonikkuAmerica> EGamerHDK: Read the !permissions blurb
[23:59] <EGamerHDK> Well can anyone just quickly tell me if -rw--w--w- means 044?


[03:03] <ScarFreewill> my eclipse doen't run :0 so i formated (eclipse was not the only reson why formated) and resinstalled kubuntu-6.10-i386-desktop and it still doesn't run so i downloaded the eclipse-SDK-3.2.1-linux-gtk.tar.gz and now it runs
[03:03] <vyoman> i was thinking of helping with packaging java stuff for ubuntu (deb), any ideas where the package guys hang out?
[03:04] <ScarFreewill> nope :P
[03:04] <vyoman> :)
[03:17] <vil> vyoman: this is a good place
[03:18] <vil> however the people tend to be here in the evenings
[03:18] <vil> ScarFreewill: what was the problem?
[03:20] <ScarFreewill> vil, let me just reinstall the eclipse pkg..
[03:20] <vil> ook
[03:22] <ScarFreewill> should i use paste bin its about 10 lines
[03:25] <vil> right this is a known issue (although I don't  know if there is a bug report). installing either java-gcj-compat or sun-java5-jre helps
[03:26] <ScarFreewill> i have tried installing gcj sun-jre and some other pkg but never got it to work
[03:28] <vil> there's plenty of java packages. maybe the problem was that the installed package did not provide a complete jre.
[03:29] <ScarFreewill> but sun-java-bin does doesn't it?
[03:29] <vil> for example problem with eclipse here is that gij (installed per default in edgy) provides java-runtime2, but is not complete jre and cannot be used to run eclipse
[03:29] <vil> let me check
[03:34] <vil> cannot see the problem with sun-java5-bin, but you could try install sun-java5-jre also. this one should provide complete jre
[03:34] <ScarFreewill> sun-java-jre is a dep for the sun-java-bin pkg
[03:35] <vil> right, did not spot that
[03:36] <vil> well to be honest, I have this setup and have no problems. does the error look the same when all these pacakages are installed?
[03:38] <ScarFreewill> i think there was a warning from the eclipse pkg but it installed so fast ... how do i see that do i need to install it via the console or something?
[03:40] <vil> you can see it by running apt-get install whatever in the console
[03:40] <ScarFreewill> ok
[03:41] <ScarFreewill> just one prob...
[03:42] <ScarFreewill> i installed sun-java-jre via adept and now its asking to accept the licence but i can't click ok :P
[03:43] <ScarFreewill> i guess thats not goning to be a prob for long http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/story.jsp
[03:44] <vil> actually, I have to leave now. we can discus tha later today
[03:44] <ScarFreewill> ok np
[03:44] <vil> apt-get should ask you in the console
[03:44] <vil> see you
[03:44] <ScarFreewill> bye
[04:49] <vil> ScarFreewill: ping
[04:50] <ScarFreewill> hi
[04:50] <vil> where did we ended?
[04:51] <vil> any success with eclipse?
[04:51] <ScarFreewill> @ me installing sun-java-jre
[04:51] <ScarFreewill> this is what i get now..
[04:52] <vil> testing /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun...found
[04:52] <vil> this is good
[04:52] <vil> doesn't it strat up?
[04:53] <ScarFreewill> no :(
[04:55] <ScarFreewill> i reintalled it via the console but its only the eclipse pkg and not its deps
[04:55] <vil> any output apart from what you already pasted?
[04:56] <ScarFreewill> no..
[04:56] <ScarFreewill> i don't know maybe its just that one of my pkgs are corupted?
[04:56] <vil> can you also run
[04:56] <vil> sh -x `which eclipse`
[04:57] <vil> this should produce more verbose output
[04:57] <ScarFreewill> allot ;)
[04:58] <ScarFreewill> should i use pastebin now?
[04:58] <vil> can you paste it again? I guess you can selected it all at once with mouse
[04:59] <ScarFreewill> lol [error]  Closing Link: <IP_ADDRESS> (Excess Flood)
[05:00] <ScarFreewill> vil, ping
[05:03] <ScarFreewill> hi
[05:04] <ScarFreewill> vil ping
[05:04] <ScarFreewill> http://pastebin.com/826673
[05:05] <vil> back again
[05:05] <vil> I am making my dinner
[05:06] <vil> let me check the output
[05:10] <vil> do you have firefox or mozilla-browser package installed?
[05:11] <ScarFreewill> no
[05:13] <ScarFreewill> that would be funny if that is all that i needed to install
[05:16] <vil> and yes, that's why the script starting eclipse stops
[05:16] <vil> you can see the script by running
[05:16] <vil> gedit `which eclipse`
[05:16] <vil> it does not find proper browser lib and gives up
[05:24] <vil> any success?
[05:24] <ScarFreewill> sorry afk
[05:24] <ScarFreewill> i use kde..
[05:25] <ScarFreewill> no gedit
[05:25] <vil> so if you want to see it use your prefered editor
[05:25] <vil> however, try
[05:26] <vil> apt-get install firefox and you should be able to finally use eclipse (from Ubuntu)
[05:27] <ScarFreewill> btw i just went to yog (run) and i told firefox to download when i went and i just came back now and it 38% crappy 64k/s
[05:28] <ScarFreewill> so what must i do when i typed kate `which eclipse`
[05:29] <vil> I only wanted to show you the problem
[05:29] <vil> lines 128-145
[05:30] <vil> does not find firefox libs and gives up
[05:30] <ScarFreewill> ok
[05:32] <ScarFreewill> yeah its funny why they don't make firefox/mozilla a dependantcy or just say in the howtos that you need firefox/mozilla, btw when i ran dapper mozilla was a dep for eclipse and now in edgy its not
[05:35] <ScarFreewill> but why does my eclipse-SDK-3.2.1-linux-gtk.tar.gz work does it have the libs build in?
[05:39] <vil> I will try to ask someone more involved, however there were some problems with this and it seems that this dependency is missing.
[05:39] <vil> Thanks for helping us finding an annoying bug
[05:43] <ScarFreewill> np thx for helping me
[05:44] <ScarFreewill> cool its working now :)
[05:49] <vil> yes, that's funny
[05:50] <ScarFreewill> anyway I have to go eat and then study for sience :{
[05:50] <vil> bye
[08:39] <obenbohne> hi Seveas!
[10:41] <obenbohne> hi Seveas