[00:06] <AlanBell> night all o/
[07:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments Updates - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/14/ubuntu-accomplishments-updates-2/
[09:09] <j0nr> ello folks
[09:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> What an amazing image: https://twitter.com/#!/innocentdrinks/status/179849354767638529/photo/1
[09:10] <j0nr> I currently have my website on a VPS. The people that run the VPS also manage my domain for me... I just pay them once a year a fee and they ensure my domain stays in my name and they point it at my VPS IP.... how can I go about managing this myself?
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> j0nr: Move your domain to a different registrar.
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> One that is independent of you hosting compnay
[09:12] <j0nr> TheOpenSourcerer: So my domain needs a registrar to look after it?
[09:13] <j0nr> and then I use their services/website to tell it what IP address to go to?
[09:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a lot easier than managing your own. Yes to Q2.
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> We have domains with GoDaddy and Easyspace, but any will do - some are better (quicker) at propagating changes or allowing more cnames per A etc. But they all offer a similar service.
[09:14] <j0nr> So I would have to tell my VPS supplier that I don't need them to manage it anymore, and register with a new registrar..
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> There is a process you must go through to move the domain registration. Bit like moving your gas or phone provider but keeping the same number.
[09:15] <diplo> Morning all
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> The one you would like to manage your dns should be able to help you.
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all btw.
[09:15] <j0nr> TheOpenSourcerer: So if I chose say Easyspace would they do the move for me?
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> j0nr: I have no idea. Ask them.
[09:15] <diplo> I'll try my question this  morning again
[09:16] <j0nr> OK, cheers
[09:16] <diplo> Anyone got *ANY* idea why I can't ping localhost/<IP_ADDRESS> ?
[09:16] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: but you should have seen the size of the one that got away
[09:16] <diplo> Web is not helping at all atm
[09:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just in case anyone missed this. It's a totally amazing image: https://twitter.com/#!/innocentdrinks/status/179849354767638529/photo/1/large
[09:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Yeah.
[09:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: Is your localhost responding to pings? Can you ping it's physical port's IP?
[09:18] <diplo> So this is a VPS, I am ssh'd in and when trying to ping localhost or <IP_ADDRESS> it fails, but ping6 ::1 works
[09:18] <diplo> So the lo interface is up
[09:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> ifconfig?
[09:19] <diplo> Shows that there has been traffic to lo
[09:19] <diplo> 1.5mb, but traffic all the same
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> How about: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all ?
[09:20] <diplo> Set to 1
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> echo 0 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> That should fix it.
[09:21]  * diplo smooches TheOpenSourcerer !!!! Or maybe just a beer
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> why would they set it to 1 though
[09:21] <diplo> I tried that last night
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno.
[09:21] <diplo> But typed something wrong I guess
[09:21] <diplo> So could have been me MartijnVdS
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Check /etc/sysctl.conf
[09:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> What OS is the VPS?
[09:22] <diplo> I was in a state of extremem tiredness last night
[09:22] <diplo> 10.04
[09:22] <diplo> #net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts = 1
[09:23] <diplo> #net.ipv4.icmp_ignore_bogus_error_responses = 1
[09:23] <diplo> ignore_all isn't in there ?
[09:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> In sysctl.d/ somewhere?
[09:23] <diplo> kk, looking
[09:24] <daubers> Morning
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> grep around _all_ of /etc.. it might be a VPS-hoster custom init script
[09:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Or maybe you have some other rule somewhere?
[09:24] <diplo> Nope for sysctl, trying /etc now
[09:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> what MartijnVdS says
[09:24] <diplo> Clean install pretty much but will do
[09:25] <diplo> I reckon it may be me guys, It wasn't working ( maybe iptables ) and i tried some icmp echo stuff and it didn't fix it, maybe i added the wrong entry.
[09:25] <diplo> I knew I should have quit earlier
[09:25] <diplo> ignore_all isn't to be found in any files in /etc
[09:26] <diplo> So I'd say i foobared it before fixing another issue
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> kernel boot parameter ( /proc/cmdline )
[09:26]  * diplo takes the blame
[09:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> You haven't got Plesk or CPanel on it at all have you?
[09:26] <diplo> root=LABEL=root ro console=hvc0
[09:26] <diplo> nah, plain old vps
[09:26] <diplo> Bitfolk one
[09:27] <JamesTait> Happy Pi Day! :D
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sounds like it was you then. My Bitfolk VPS is set to 0
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: π
[09:29] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS: Since we don't format dates that way in the UK, I considered calling it American Pi Day....
[09:29]  * TheOpenSourcerer goes for moar coffee.
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Too bad April only has 30 days.. 31-4 would work
[09:30] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, are you  looking at upgrading to 12.04 ?
[09:30] <AlanBell> nah, it is just me that upgrades customer production machines to 12.04
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> \m/ AlanBell  :)
[09:31] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS: Yeah.  I think 22/7 worked out pretty close....
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Not-quite-pi-day
[09:32] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS: Something like that, yes. :D
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: Not yet. That box will eol in May anyway I think.
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: ah, getting one of the new Intel Ivy Bridge chips :)
[09:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: Not really - we bought that VPS on a 2yr deal for a customer. It is no longer needed. We are using h/w from Hetzner now that we virtualise ourselves.
[09:39] <diplo> This is really an experiment for  me / work I guess
[09:41] <DJones> AlanBell: Do you mind a pm to pick your brains?
[09:41] <AlanBell> DJones: that sounds more exciting than scanning bank statements, so sure
[09:41] <hoover> good morning
[09:42] <jpds> AlanBell: Surely, you can just print them to PDF from online banking?
[09:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Interesting graph.. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1072
[09:46] <diplo> heh I just read that
[09:46] <diplo> Trying to talk my company into using Ubuntu server
[09:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> RPM does suck.
[09:47] <diplo> Been RH/CentOS for years
[09:47] <diplo> It really really does!
[09:47] <diplo> Boss doesn't mind the change, not so sure on the others
[09:47] <diplo> :(
[10:07] <hoover> I've found rpm no worse than apt... hey, look, a package war ;-)
[10:07] <hoover> Esp. with the existence of yum.
[10:07] <diplo> Yum sucks so badly though
[10:07] <diplo> It really does
[10:07] <hoover> restating your opinion doesn't make it more true though ;-)
[10:07]  * hoover thinks both suck
[10:08] <diplo> Also having to use third party repos for basic packages is hard work as well
[10:08] <hoover> apt and yum, that is.
[10:08] <hoover> diplo: I guess it depends on your needs
[10:08] <diplo> Didn't restate, I said RPM's sucked before
[10:08] <diplo> yum sucked after :)
[10:08] <hoover> hehe
[10:08] <hoover> Nothing beats pkg-config ;-)
[10:09] <hoover> j/k
[10:09] <diplo> My biggest issue is that other people state what they want to use but I end up being the one maintaining / fixing it.
[10:10] <hoover> Yep, that's always quite a difficult situation to be in.
[10:10] <christel> good morning -uk
[10:10] <hoover> Mornin christel
[10:10] <hoover> diplo: maybe you should tell them to... go away ;-)
[10:11] <diplo> I'm being diplomatic, close to swapping them over
[10:11] <diplo> morning christel
[10:13] <gord> i'm pretty sure that everything that is not what i use is the worst thing in the world
[10:14] <diplo> :)
[10:25] <DJones> Can anybody identify what make this "e-reader" is http://www.mightydeals.co.uk/deals/national/Gadgets/7-Inch-E-Book-Reader-with-16GB-memory-49/471?ldid=471&a=2 My wife was looking at it (I know the deal says its ended) but I can't find anything to say what make it is
[10:25] <DJones> I'm guessing its a far east copy/clone/own brand
[10:28] <gord> DJones, "Video formats: WMV, RM, AVI, RMVB, 3GP, FLV, MP4, DAT, VOB, MPEG, MKV" - almost certainly some nameless chinese hardware
[10:30] <DJones> My wife was looking at it as an ebook reader, but I think I would rather get a kobo where I know the name & brand for a little bit extra
[10:30] <gord> that ebook reader is probably not even eink tbh
[10:30] <gord> so about an hour battery life
[10:33] <DJones> I was looking at that, I would rather she gets the basic kobo, that says 10 days battery life, at her reading speed, that'll last about 6 months
[10:33] <gord> well, ten days ;) it'll still drain power in its standby state
[10:34] <DJones> :)
[10:34] <gord> i get a month or so out of my kindle before i have to charge it when i'm not actively using it
[10:34] <gord> but boasting large battery life if you don't use it isn't really a good selling point, that just means you aren't using it ;)
[10:34] <DJones> I read about 1-2 hours a day with my kobo, since christmas I've had to charge it 3 times
[10:35] <DJones> About once a month
[10:58] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:20] <oimon> guys, is there a fix released for the MS RDP issue or we hae to wait till tuesday?
[11:23] <davmor2> morning all
[11:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD!
[11:25] <czajkowski> davmor2: HUGS
[11:33] <davmor2> czajkowski: thanks I could do with that this week :)
[11:51] <AlanBell> off to London again
[11:53] <diplo> What a life!
[11:53] <diplo> :)
[11:55] <gord> i wonder what kind of boat he will be on this time!
[11:56] <gord> its like rosie and jim, but with alan and alan
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> Ship of the line?
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> dear launchpad.. FASTER PLEASE
[11:58] <popey> oimon: bug number?
[11:58] <oimon> popey CVE-2012-0002
[11:59] <oimon> major RDP issue with MS terminal server affecting all windows versions
[11:59] <popey> oh, thought you meant it was an ubuntu issue
[11:59] <popey> meh
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> Anyone seeing this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/954952
[12:00] <gord> MartijnVdS, scrolling seems broken everywhere atm
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> gord: scrolling works fine.. but it _also_ does something else
[12:00] <gord> ah
[12:01] <oimon> popey, ubuntu do patch tuesday ? :P
[12:01] <popey> we do patch *day
[12:01] <popey> which matches tuesday ☺
[12:02] <oimon> it annoys me that there's an epic fail waiting to happen but no patch seems available until tuesday
[12:02] <oimon> even though it's probably ready
[12:02] <popey> google says there's a fix
[14:12] <davmor2> AlanBell: Do you know which is the best medium to contact the A11y team on?
[14:24] <oimon> is there an equivalent to the sleep  command for DOS?
[14:26] <popey> yeah, i used to use one
[14:26] <popey> "back in the day"
[14:26] <popey> i probably got it from the windows sdk tho
[14:26] <directhex> usually people use pause, which is "press any key"
[14:26] <directhex> usual method is to abuse ping.
[14:27] <directhex> 'PING <IP_ADDRESS> -n 1 -w 1000 >NUL' adds a 1 second delay, assumign <IP_ADDRESS> doesn't route
[14:27] <oimon> heh
[14:29] <shauno> apparently the 'windows 2003 resource kit' contains a sleep command.  which is possibly even more awkward than just abusing a workaround
[14:29] <directhex> haha, even better
[14:29] <directhex> REM | CHOICE /C:AB /T:A,1 > NUL
[14:29] <directhex> will silently do a multi-select menu, with 1 second timeout
[14:30] <oimon> it seems that the commands are performed sequentially (i.e. the scp doesn't happen until the net stop is completed), so i'll b e OK
[14:30] <oimon> using pause at the end  though
[14:32] <kvarley> How can I enable Ctrl + F4 to close tabs in XUbuntu?
[15:48] <AlanBell> davmor2: via the mailing list to reach a bunch of users, or find themuso in #ubuntu-accessibility
[15:51] <davmor2> AlanBell: ta
[15:58] <oimon> small packet of maryland cookies is about £1.50 in sainsburys..2 large packets for 99p in the 99p shop :D
[16:01] <JGJones> Afternoon - quick question...what's the name of the time/date applet that goes in the upper right corner and how could I reenable it in Unity as it have disappeared.
[16:01] <gord> JGJones, apt-get install indicator-datetime
[16:03] <JGJones> Ah that's it, thanks gord
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> my panel-services keep crashing
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> so no applets for me :(
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> [53520.399133] unity-panel-ser[10459]: segfault at 20 ip 00007f43deeadb92 sp 00007fff05346228 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.3120.0[7f43dee33000+f2000]
[16:38] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: they hate you, hate them back it works for me
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: but I love the clock in the top corner
[16:39] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: and that's why it gets to walk all over you ;)
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> :|
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: so you say I still use Ubuntu/Unity because of Stockholm syndrome?
[16:40] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: No you use Ubuntu cause you can't live without it honest gov'nor :D
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: the alternatives are worse, you mean ;)
[16:41] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I was being polite :)
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> Woo, windmills: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/6832490192/sizes/o/in/photostream/
[17:15] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: New and old ones together neat
[17:33] <meet> any delay function for c++ in ubuntu? or how to include dos.h?
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> meet: It's just standard C++, and you have the GNU libc
[17:35] <meet> martijnvds so can i directly use like delay(100) etc?
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> meet: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4184468/sleep-for-milliseconds
[17:43] <gord> why are so many people asking about sleep today...
[17:43] <gord> sleep and dos...
[17:44] <meet> gord btw i am getting some xinitthread error. trying a simple moving circle project. what could be  the problem?
[17:45] <davmor2> gord: sleep is obvious, they are tired and as for dos they want to play the original Dune game
[17:45] <gord> you are calling xinitthread after an xlib call
[17:45] <gord> or your platform does not support threads
[17:45] <meet> gord what can i do?
[17:46] <gord> call xinitthread before your other xlib calls?
[17:47] <meet> could you please elaborate? i am new to this whole thing a learning c at present.. do i have to include the function in the program?
[17:48] <gord> something you are calling is calling xinitthread later than it should be, what that call is, i have no idea, i suggest you read the documentation on the methods/functions you are calling to see if any of them state that you should call them early
[17:49] <meet> btw whta is xinitthread required for?
[17:49] <gord> lots of things, something you are using i would assume
[17:52]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 how ya doing?
[17:54] <meet> gord how can i do find that out which function is using xinitthread
[17:54] <gord> meet, read the documentation of the functions you are using
[17:55] <meet> gord, i think everytime i use the for loop in c, i am getting that error
[17:56] <gord> then it will be some method you call in the for loop
[17:57] <meet> gord, there is only one circle function
[17:58] <gord> ubuntu really needs a shutdown, but wait for this song to finish first, mode
[17:58] <meet> gord, i think its the usleep function
[17:59] <gord> it isn't
[18:01] <meet> ok it ran properly now :) but if at all the problem persists, where should i call the xinitthread function?
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> meet: read its documentation, it will tell you
[18:02] <meet> ok thanks :)
[18:03]  * gord afks
[19:39] <popey> choo choo
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: you're not a train.
[19:40] <popey> i am :)_
[19:40] <popey> 19:39 from waterloo ☺
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A_ccea_hJs
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> Trains from Gatwick to London end up in Victoria right?
[19:46] <davmor2> popey: == sl
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: sl -l
[19:49] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: sl -al if popey is the train I think you'll find
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.hms.xconstruction
[19:52] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/oneiric/bcs/
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: same thing really :)
[19:53] <christel> ,3.
[19:53] <christel> 3
[19:53] <christel> sorry about that, toddler attack
[19:54] <Pendulum> christel: is that like a kitten attack, but without the claws?
[19:54] <davmor2> christel: No excuses at that tender age toddler should be programming ;)
[19:54] <christel> Pendulum: indeed!
[19:54] <christel> davmor2: hehe
[19:55] <davmor2> Pendulum: I don't know kids finger nails can be lethal :)
[20:09] <czajkowski> peeka boo
[20:11]  * davmor2 hugs czajkowski whether she likes it or not
[20:11] <czajkowski> awwww
[20:12] <czajkowski> such a softie
[20:41] <davmor2> sometimes I feel like sl -a other time I feel like sl -al but on the whole I feel like sl
[21:08] <popey> Ebenink
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> hellos popey
[21:28] <Myrtti> hm, what tool could I use to try to map some wireless problems? On my Android phone the connection drops every two minutes or so, and my laptop seems to have some connection lag, not quite as bad as my phone where for example the SSH connection goes altogether, but bad enough to make using irssi via ssh painful.
[21:29] <Myrtti> I suspect the connection drops on the Ubuntu laptop as well, the ssh just recovers better than connectbot does on android
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: really low-level: wi-spy
[21:30] <dwatkins> Myrtti: I assume you've made certain there's no IP address conflict mentioned in the system logs etc.
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: higher level: check /var/log/syslog
[21:31] <HazRPG> Myrtti: could also try WiFi Analyse on the android
[21:31] <dwatkins> On Android, I use this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer&hl=en
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins++ -- that's a great tool
[21:31] <dwatkins> :)
[21:31] <HazRPG> dwatkins: jink ^_^
[21:31] <dwatkins> HazRPG: hehe
[21:31] <Myrtti> yeah I use that too but so far I've used it mainly to choose a non-used channel
[21:32] <HazRPG> s/jink/jynx/* even
[21:32] <Myrtti> I'll have a look, thanks for suggestions
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: \o
[21:32] <Myrtti> this is a bit annoying and it's  been annoying me since fiancé got a new router
[21:32] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: \o hey-yo!
[21:33] <dwatkins> Myrtti: do you have the problem only via wifi?
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: the router could be a DOA / almost-DOA / pining for the fjords
[21:33] <HazRPG> Myrtti: What router did he get?
[21:34] <dwatkins> A friend of mine lives in an apartment building where someone has 1024 SSIDs being transmitted from their router.
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: annoying
[21:34] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I imagine so, yes
[21:35] <Myrtti> HazRPG: Belkin Gigabit something, Belkin play max
[21:37] <Myrtti> I have to say my experience with Belkin Wireless devices has made an addition to the makes of network gear I will not purchase again.
[21:37] <dsample> Belkin wasn't my preference, it was just one of the only ones with gigabit
[21:37] <Myrtti> and wohey, the devil appears when he's spoken about
[21:37] <Myrtti> :-P
[21:38] <HazRPG> Myrtti: bah, hate belkins
[21:38] <Myrtti> yeah, so do I, now.
[21:39] <dwatkins> Myrtti: do you have another router you could swap-out to make certain the router is at fault?
[21:39] <dsample> I've always considered Belkin as a cheap quality brand, but nowadays they're not cheap priced
[21:40] <HazRPG> dsample: agreed
[21:40] <dsample> We have another router, a Linksys one, but the crap wifi on that was the reason we got the new one
[21:41] <HazRPG> dsample: best way that I do it for gigabit ... think of it this way, your internet isn't going to be a gigabit, so why have a router do that job when a switch can do that for you...
[21:42] <dsample> I know it's not, I suggested multiple boxes
[21:42] <Myrtti> aw
[21:42] <HazRPG> so I tend to do the whole "good router, don't care much for specs as long as its configs is nice and varied so I can sit and tweak to my hearts content" and then a gigabit switch
[21:42] <dsample> modem+AP
[21:42] <Myrtti> I'm not taking the blame for this
[21:42] <Myrtti> darnit.
[21:43] <dwatkins> I have a gigabit switch between my media devices, the internet isn't anywhere near that fast, so I don't plug anything fast into the router directly.
[21:43]  * MartijnVdS 's whole house is gbit
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> in preparation of the 500/500 fibre that's coming (in july!!)
[21:44] <dsample> The annoying thing with doing that though is it was pretty hard to find an AP, seemed near impossible to find an N+ AP with gigabit (although it would be stupid for an N+ AP not to have gigabit)
[21:44] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: whatever the speed of your connectm, NASA will still probably be one of the few sites which might come close to taking full advantage ;)
[21:45] <dsample> the option seemed to be to get a 'cable' router to connect to the modem, but they're as bad as the ADSL routers
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Uploading to youtube/flickr will be my main use of the upstream bit
[21:45] <dsample> 500/500 fibre...  I want to move?
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: maybe backups of my NAS (to an identical system at my parents)
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> dsample: Netherlands :)
[21:46] <dsample> oh
[21:46] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: ah, that is a good reason to have a fast pipe, if your backup is on the same network segment :)
[21:46] <dsample> well that's a bit far, was hoping within 100 miles
[21:46] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it's better than the 1mbit up I have now anyway
[21:46] <HazRPG> dwatkins: that's what I do ^_^
[21:47] <dwatkins> HazRPG: sorry, what do you do?
[21:47] <MartijnVdS> 500/500 kilobit/second :P
[21:48] <dwatkins> meh, I have a T1 at work ;)
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I have.. the internet.. at work
[21:48] <dwatkins> hehe
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: (working at an ISP)
[21:48] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: 500/500 o.O!
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: yes, I know!
[21:48] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Dude... I seriously gotta move to the NL.
[21:49] <dwatkins> hmm, perhaps it's a T3, it's whatever gives us about 50 MBit
[21:49] <MartijnVdS> Maybe 100/100 at first, but there's an upgrade to 500/500 "before the end of 2012"
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> too bad the routers we sell/give to customers don't cope with 500/500 :)
[21:53] <dsample> Just brought up the thinkbroadband 'quality monitor' graph for our connection
[21:53] <dsample> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/c2aee9ff21f533ce58ddc64f698e986f-14-03-2012.html
[21:53] <dsample> you can see when we got home this evening
[21:55] <dsample> now to see if the Belkin tools give anything similar for connected machines... doubt it
[22:03] <dwatkins> http://hobbes.dyndns.org/vnstat/ is handy
[22:07] <popey> it is!
[22:07] <popey> http://popey.com/bandwidth/
[22:12] <dwatkins> nifty, popey - what are the stats gathered with?
[22:13] <dwatkins> i.e. does it just grab the tx/rx from the ifconfig output?
[22:13] <dwatkins> oh right, it's got vnstat on the back-end, handy
[22:17] <popey> whats yours done with?
[22:20] <dwatkins> popey: vnstat generates three PNG files each time it updates, I just put them onto a HTML page, as inspired by someone on #ubuntu-offtopic, iirc
[22:21] <dwatkins> at least I think that's what it does, I can never find the relevant part of the config
[22:22] <HazRPG> popey: yeah, I think its just a standard output from vnstat
[22:22] <HazRPG> (or one of)
[22:23] <HazRPG> popey: http://humdi.net/vnstat/coloredit/
[22:27] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/6983139433/ :-| me pinging <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:28] <popey> crud
[22:29] <popey> left my thinkpad charger at millbank
[22:29] <dwatkins> Myrtti: some friends of mine discovered that a faulty powersupply (on a scanner) was causing EMF interference and messing up their router, have you considered turning everything non-essential off and powering things up one-by-one?
[22:31] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: I've come across that
[22:32] <gordonjcp> certain cheap crappy switched-mode PSUs that have RFI extending well out beyond the GHz range
[22:33] <dwatkins> that might explain the cyclical nature of Myrtti's problem, if it's a combination of frequencies building up and reducing down again over several seconds
[22:35] <Myrtti> hm
[22:36] <dsample> dwatkins: oh eck, that sounds a bit hard to do... there's about a dozen plugs around the back of the TV
[22:36] <dsample> although I think only the router and printer are turned on
[22:36] <dwatkins> dsample: I know the feeling, if I had to do it, I'd just power off everything after cleanly shutting down the linux box
[22:37] <Myrtti> the only linux box is my Viglen, the res is collection of gaming consoles and a fruit box.
[22:37] <dwatkins> i.e. pull the plug on the lot
[22:38] <dwatkins> I hear Forrest Gump invested in some fruit company.
[22:41] <Myrtti> yeah, that one.
[22:41] <Myrtti> I might just do that tomorrow on a particularly dark moment. Pull the plugs, that is.
[22:42] <dwatkins> I can't guarantee it will allow you to fix the problem, but at least you'll be able to say whether the other devices are interfering (one way or another)
[22:51] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: I still have some recordings of interference I was logging from a neighbour's house
[22:51] <gordonjcp> never did find out what it was, they moved out
[22:51] <gordonjcp> but it was a pulsing interference, about 1 second on, 1 second off, for most of the day, and absolutely flat from about 500kHz to 250MHz
[23:01] <dwatkins> gordonjcp: I hear plasma TVs can kill an ADSL connection
[23:02] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: wouldn't be surprised
[23:02] <dwatkins> gordonjcp: was this interference on 24 hours a day?
[23:02] <gordonjcp> those ethernet-over-mains adaptors are a bit horrible too
[23:03] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: no, strangely enough it wasn't but it only seemed to stop between about 2am and 6am
[23:03] <dwatkins> yeah, I must admit to having a pair of those, although I should probably have gotten a wifi extender instead.
[23:03] <gordonjcp> some are okay, but many of them interfere quite badly with radio
[23:03] <gordonjcp> I did discover that a neighbour of mine had a pair that seemed to have big significant peaks in their noise right in the middle of all the HF amateur bands
[23:04] <gordonjcp> funny thing though
[23:04] <dwatkins> what do you use to measure this interference?
[23:04] <gordonjcp> spectrum analyser and a couple of test receivers
[23:04] <gordonjcp> if I fired up on 7.039MHz for some PSK31 for a while, the interference went away
[23:04] <gordonjcp> almost like they'd given up trying to get the bastards to work and turned them off... ;-)
[23:06] <dwatkins> wow, they televised Dirk Gently :D
[23:06] <dwatkins> I wonder if you actually overloaded a circuit in something that just happened to resonate at that frequency, like my friend's power supply
[23:07] <dwatkins> anyhoo, it's bedtime here in deepest Edinburgh, later folks :)
[23:08] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: well I figure if their mains wiring was working as a good enough aerial to transmit (illegally), it would receive just as well too
[23:08] <gordonjcp> but rather than a piddly little transformer the size of a tangerine and some mismatched mains cable, I can chuck 100W out into a properly resonant aerial
[23:51] <shockham> rekong


[00:56] <doctormo> I think my brain is melting like one of those wax droids.
[01:15] <doctormo> pleia2: Does Ubuntu use SELinux?
[01:24] <pleia2> doctormo: not really
[01:24] <pleia2> there is an selinux package, but they really went the apparmor direction
[01:24] <doctormo> pleia2: It's installed but the profiles are weak?
[01:24] <doctormo> Ah AppArmor, thanks
[01:54] <doctormo> jono, jcastro: If you enter a community which doesn't allow apturls in their comments, use this url: http://doctormo.org/apturl.pl?inkscape it does a redirect and allows you to install from a normal http link.
[01:54] <jono> doctormo, nice!
[01:54] <doctormo> I did this for deviantArt because they don't allow anything but http, (not even ftp the jerks)
[01:54] <doctormo> But it might be useful to others
[02:32] <nhandler> doctormo: Check your email ;)
[02:42] <nhandler> doctormo: And http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#identify
[03:21] <doctormo> nhandler: Perfect, thanks a lot for that.
[03:21] <nhandler> Glad to help doctormo
[03:22] <doctormo> nhandler: Now is there some furious fund I can pu a copper or two into in order to sort out Empathy?
[03:22] <doctormo> I've got a bug list as long as an arm.
[03:24] <nhandler> doctormo: Bug #1 Empathy is practically unusable as an irc client
[03:24] <nhandler> But no, I'm not seeing any special place to donate for empathy or its devs
[03:24] <doctormo> nhandler: Pretty much, I only get around some of the issues because a) I found out the way it does fav channels and b) I have nothing else to use.
[03:24]  * nhandler loves screen+irssi
[03:25] <doctormo> I don't want anything cli based
[03:25] <nhandler> xchat is one of the few fully functional gui irc clients for ubuntu
[03:41] <doctormo> nhandler: Isn't that so sad, we use the tool so often for community use and yet we spend hardly any time making sure it works on our own plaform.
[03:42] <nhandler> doctormo: Well, there isn't a lot that can be done for it downstream. It really needs to get a lot of love upstream. I still think xchat should get included, but that is just my 2 cents
[03:44] <doctormo> I agree with your assessment, but downstream is still a force.
[05:15] <nigelb> Good morning folks!
[05:19] <ddecator> good morning nigelb!
[05:20] <nigelb> hola ddecator.  Still up eh?
[05:20] <ddecator> nigelb: still got a few hours left in me :)
[05:36] <doctormo> I come from the future! and I have a warning! Do NOT attempt to convert perl to python without a hazmat suite.
[05:38] <nigelb> doctormo: you came around 10 years back with the same warning! Looks like you don't listen to yourself :p
[05:38]  * nigelb ducks
[05:38] <doctormo> nigelb: It looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
[05:39] <nigelb> doctormo: but it doesn't code like a  duck
[05:39] <doctormo> I wish it bloody well did
[06:03] <nigelb> wow, I just found the awesomest thing about a support channel for any oss software, the same people who ask for help answer others questions :)
[06:26] <doctormo> nigelb: I'm trying to come up with a good python name for Data::Validate::XSD which I just translated, any ideas?
[06:27] <nigelb> doctormo: translated from perl to python?
[06:27] <doctormo> nigelb: Yes
[06:27]  * nigelb suggests asking dholbach - he's the python pro that I know
[06:27]  * nigelb is just a python hacker with some knowledge of LP api
[06:28] <ara> good morning all
[06:28] <nigelb> morning ara :)
[06:33] <ddecator> morning ara
[06:34] <ara> nigelb, ddecator: morning! :-)
[06:42] <doctormo> nigelb: You have no ideas on names?
[06:42] <doctormo> :-(
[06:42] <nigelb> doctormo: It does look okay such :D
[06:43] <doctormo> nigelb: Pardon? I don't have a name yet.
[06:43] <ddecator> doctormo: your parents didn't give you one? i'm sorry
[06:43] <doctormo> nigelb: http://doctormo.org/install.pl?cheese
[06:44] <doctormo> Heh those urls work in irc
[06:44] <nigelb> it works with firefox too
[06:44] <doctormo> Perhaps a tool to use in the Community Weeks we have, to post apturls
[06:44] <doctormo> apt://cheese
[06:45] <nigelb> doctormo: I would suggest  quassel if you want a gui client
[06:45] <doctormo> nigelb: huh?
[06:45] <nigelb> its pretty good and does the server + client setup like we folks do with screen
[06:45] <nigelb> doctormo: er, the earlier discussion about irc and empathy
[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[07:03] <nigelb> morning dholbach
[07:04] <ddecator> morning dholbach
[07:05] <doctormo> nigelb: Empathy is good?
[07:05] <nigelb> doctormo: not good enough for me
[07:05] <doctormo> nor me, but I use it anyway
[07:05] <nigelb> I use irssi+screen so I can get onto my session from anywhere
[07:05] <ddecator> (irssi + screen ftw)
[07:06] <nigelb> quassel core + quassel does similar stuff too
[07:07] <nigelb> I think a lot of kubuntu folks like jussi and maco use that
[07:07] <maco> yep
[07:07] <dholbach> hi nigelb, hi ddecator
[07:07]  * nigelb blinks
[07:08] <nigelb> maco: dramatic entry ;)
[10:35] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:21] <nigelb> morning czajkowski :)
[11:59] <qense> good afternoon
[12:02] <nigelb> afternoon qense :)
[12:23] <dholbach> I think I just replied to 500000 emails
[12:25] <qense> That's a pretty decent achievement.
[12:27] <czajkowski> heh
[12:28] <dholbach> qense: still not Inbox 0
[12:28] <czajkowski> yet...
[12:28] <qense> Hold on! You can do it!
[12:29] <czajkowski> qense: you do know when it gets to 0 we all mail bomb dholbach right :p
[12:29] <qense> of course, I'm preparing my zombie network of spammers right now!
[12:30] <qense> But we won't be sending spam, we'll be sending mails he'll actually have to reply to!
[12:30] <czajkowski> good stuff :p
[12:30] <dholbach> you guys smoked some weird stuff :)
[12:30] <qense> legally!
[12:30] <dholbach> qense: speak for yourself :)
[12:30] <dholbach> qense: you might've been the only one
[12:30] <dholbach> (doing it legally)
[12:30] <qense> actually, no, I'm not 18
[12:31] <qense> but who cares!
[12:48]  * nigelb writes script to subscribe dholbach to all LP bugs
[12:48] <nigelb> that should give you *lots* of mails ;)
[12:55] <jussi> dholbach: so did you read all the wiki updates you get? or just auto direct them all into som folder you never look at :P?
[12:56] <nigelb> jussi: I think he does.  A few days back he asked someone about a wiki update
[12:56] <czajkowski> some are marked trivial
[12:56] <jussi> LOL
[12:56] <nigelb> (Absolutely no clue how he manages to keep up though)
[12:56] <czajkowski> others arent
[13:06] <qense> czajkowski: How're your programming efforts going? :)
[13:06] <qense> if you need help, join #ubuntu-app-devel or ask me!
[13:07] <czajkowski> qense: thanks
[13:07] <czajkowski> qense: once I think of an app to play with I'll get going reading the tutorials now
[13:08] <qense> You should write something LoCo-y. :)
[13:08] <nigelb> czajkowski: \o/ loco related app sounds awesome :)
[13:10] <czajkowski> heh
[13:10] <czajkowski> so true guys
[13:10] <nigelb> it would be awesome to have a desktop time zone coverter where you enter time in UTC and it gives it back in your tz (in case you don't have an idea of an app)
[13:10] <jussi> gnome has one of those...
[13:11] <jussi> world clock i think it was...
[13:11] <qense> Can't you enter UTC in the clock panel applet?
[13:11] <qense> Nope
[13:12] <nigelb> jussi: oh? checking now
[13:12] <jussi> nigelb: its a replacement applet for the current clock one iirc
[13:12] <nigelb> qense: it sucks when daylight savings turn on
[13:12] <popey> date -u :)
[13:13] <jussi> its been a while since I used gnome
[13:13] <nigelb> popey: what happens when somone tells edt time :/
[13:13] <nigelb> especially the day after dst comes into effect
[13:13] <duanedesign> nigelb: i use FoxClocks to keep up with all the time zones and UTC
[13:13] <nigelb> duanedesign: desktopapp?
[13:13] <jussi> you can add clocks to it.
[13:14] <jussi> http://en.opensuse.org/File:103-World-Clock.jpg
[13:14] <nigelb> jussi: that doesn't help me
[13:14] <duanedesign> nigelb: its a addon for FF
[13:14] <nigelb> I want to enter a time & date in future and get that time and date in my TZ
[13:16] <duanedesign> nigelb: want to show off my latest creation. It comes with a couple dozen commands and the ability to add you own. http://people.ubuntu.com/~duanedesign/clicomp.SS.6.png
[13:16] <jussi> music for today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADlAc-NsDng&NR=1
[13:16] <jussi> duanedesign: nice. does it come for konsole? :P
[13:17] <nigelb> duanedesign: its wonderful
[13:17]  * nigelb scowls at jussi
[13:17] <jussi> nigelb: I was being semi serious!
[13:17] <jussi> :(
[13:17] <jussi> >:(
[13:17] <nigelb> jussi: LOL to the semi :p
[13:18] <jussi> look its tintin...  ~:)
[13:18]  * jussi is in a strange mood today
[13:18] <jussi> perhaps its hometime soon
[13:19] <nigelb> jussi: I think its just Friday syndrome :D
[13:19] <jussi> Im off. Ill see you all later - its weekend time!
[13:21] <duanedesign> i also noticed loco.ubuntu.com is coming along nicely
[13:24]  * nigelb listening to twisted sisters after a while
[13:37] <duanedesign> _\m/
[13:46] <dholbach> jussi: filter locally
[14:18] <qense> That was a nasty SysRq-lock I've just had.
[14:23] <qense> Ah! I always press Print Screen by accident and since I don't have any SysRq key on my keyboard PrintScreen has apparently become the SysRq key, but it doesn't work properly. crashing my system each time I press it.
[14:56] <qense> They're playing the Dutch anthem right now, Brazil vs the Netherlands will start in a few minutes now!
[15:01]  * nigelb cheers for Brazil
[15:11] <dholbach> everybody have a look at http://loco.ubuntu.com and look at mhall119's great work
[15:11] <nhandler> Wow. I haven't looked at it in a while, but it looks completely different
[15:11] <jcastro> WHOA
[15:11] <qense> yay! Nice work.
[15:11] <nhandler> But I must admit, I think it needs a little of that purple that is in the moving banner on ubuntu.com :)
[15:13] <nigelb> WOW! That was merged recently.  I saw it earlier today and it wasn't there
[15:13] <nigelb> It looks beautiful!
[15:15] <jcastro> dholbach: ~50minutes until our next call?
[15:15] <nhandler> Is it intentional that the big 'Teams', 'Events', and 'Venues' are not actual links ?
[15:15] <nigelb> nhandler: I think unintential
[15:16] <dholbach> jcastro: which call?
[15:17] <nigelb> heh
[15:17] <nigelb> now thats a beautiful response :D
[15:17] <jcastro> dholbach: wait, weren't we having a call today with aaron?
[15:17] <dholbach> jcastro: I asked the guys in that email conversation if they wanted to have a call, nobody said "yeah sure
[15:17] <dholbach> "
[15:17] <jcastro> oh, sorry
[15:18] <dholbach> but we can have a call if you want
[15:18] <jcastro> maybe I will finish reading mail before poking you next time
[15:18] <dholbach> the feedback up until now seems to be "no big announce, ask some key folks to play with it first"
[15:18] <jcastro> good idea
[15:18] <jcastro> I also noticed they added a noticable "beta" button
[15:19] <jcastro> I have my recipes ready, I guess we'll hit it up when it lands
[15:19] <nhandler> "Launchpad Team Owner:" and "Launchpad Team Admin(s):" also wraps in a weird way for me
[15:19] <dholbach> nhandler: can you file bugs for that? http://launchpad.net/loco-directory/+filebug
[15:19] <nhandler> dholbach: Yeah, I'll go through and file a few bugs once I finish looking everything over
[15:20] <dholbach> thanks a bunch nhandler
[15:20] <dholbach> jcastro: if you want we can have a quick chat and figure out what you and I still have to do until tuesday
[15:22] <jcastro> ok
[15:22] <jcastro> dholbach: not right now, I am trying to finish this pyjamas guys's post
[15:22] <jcastro> heh
[15:22] <jcastro> I need to get some caffeine first
[15:22] <jcastro> dholbach: I just got a kindle so I've been reading until real late at night so I am tired
[15:23] <nigelb> jcastro: information overload
[15:23] <dholbach> jcastro: I'll need to head out in around 1h45m to help my sister with some stuff
[15:23] <jcastro> dholbach: ok, 10 minutes?
[15:23] <dholbach> also it's Friday :-D
[15:23] <jcastro> I hear ya
[15:23] <jcastro> ok, lemme go get some caffeine and I'll brb
[15:24] <dholbach> sure, take it easy
[15:24]  * dholbach just some more tea
[15:40] <jcastro> OK I AM ON THE MUMBLES
[15:40] <dholbach> jcastro: I'll just finish something else, give me 5
[15:40] <jcastro> no worries
[15:59] <jcastro> dholbach: aha
[15:59] <jcastro> it does do syntax checking on the recipe
[16:00] <dholbach> yeeehaw
[16:01] <jcastro> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jorge/+recipe/shotwell-daily
[16:01] <jcastro> booyah
[16:01] <jcastro> oh man
[16:02] <jcastro> dholbach: ok lesson #1.
[16:02] <jcastro> once you request a build there seems to be no way to cancel them
[16:02] <jcastro> and I accidentally sent them to the wrong PPA
[16:02] <dholbach> oh nice
[16:02] <dholbach> best take notes :)
[16:02] <dholbach> and file bugs
[16:02] <dholbach> and stuff :)
[16:02] <jcastro> indeed
[16:03] <jcastro> dholbach: dude, that was brutally easu
[16:04] <jcastro> look at my recipe
[16:05] <dholbach> nice
[16:05] <dholbach> let's see if it works
[16:05] <dholbach> did you test locally?
[16:16] <jcastro> dholbach: yeah
[16:16] <jcastro> dholbach: I premade some. :)
[16:16] <jcastro> dholbach: lp was pretty scrict when I mispasted
[16:16] <dholbach> nice
[16:16] <dholbach> that's good news
[16:16] <jcastro> so I don't think we'll have problems with the recipes per se
[16:17] <jcastro> more with the combination of crack people will do
[16:17] <dholbach> yeah
[16:17] <jcastro> look at mine for example
[16:17] <dholbach> and crazy versioning
[16:17] <jcastro> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jorge/+recipe/shotwell-daily
[16:17] <jcastro> let's say tomorrow, upstream has a new dep
[16:17] <jcastro> it will break
[16:17] <jcastro> so then someone goes and fixes the packaging
[16:17] <jcastro> but let's say the new dep isn't in lucid
[16:18] <dholbach> then they can put it in their ppa
[16:18] <jcastro> I bet we're going to need to do lp:~ubuntu-desktop/shotwell/ubuntu/RELEASE or something
[16:18] <jcastro> oh right
[16:18] <jcastro> I know you can put the new dep in the ppa
[16:18] <jcastro> I am saying, I bet some people will just make recipes
[16:18] <jcastro> and assume after that they they will just work
[16:19] <jcastro> so maybe we should say in the docs or something about following upstream developmetn
[16:19]  * jcastro goes to add
[16:20] <dholbach> oh, I see what you mean now
[16:20] <dholbach> yes
[16:20] <dholbach> that we should make part of the docs
[16:20] <jcastro> writing now
[16:22] <jcastro> ugh
[16:22] <jcastro> there's a 4 day delay on PPA builds
[16:23] <dholbach> ah, I think that's because some major test-rebuild or something
[16:25] <jcastro> yeah
[16:25] <jcastro> dang
[16:25] <jcastro> why do we even keep sparc boxes around?
[16:25] <jcastro> seriously
[16:26] <paultag> jcastro: Ubuntu won't install for frak on sparcs
[16:26] <paultag> jcastro: I had to open up the CDrom drive, pour in the blood of a virgin, and pray as it tries to load 8.04
[16:26] <jcastro> yeah I know we just have builders sitting there wasting electricity
[16:27] <paultag> jcastro: I got them all clustered up and into a beowulf, but it took _forever_
[16:28] <dholbach> paultag: you are crazy
[16:28] <paultag> dholbach: so I've been told :)
[16:28] <dholbach> … many many times ;-)
[16:28] <paultag> :P
[16:28] <jcastro> I remember turning in tons o' sparc at my last job to get them out of the datacenter
[16:29] <paultag> jcastro: the processors themself ROCK! They have so many registers it makes matrix operations so easy
[16:30] <paultag> jcastro: it's too bad the best technology never makes it to the top :/
[16:30] <jcastro> let's agree to disagree, that whole platform and Sun can go and die for all I care.
[16:30] <jcastro> OH WAIT.
[16:30] <jcastro> :)
[16:31] <paultag> jcastro: I'm willing to bet you've never programmed ia-32 asm :)
[16:32] <paultag> I have these dreams about holding intel cpu designers underwater
[16:32] <paultag> :P
[16:36] <jcastro> no, I mean from a sysadmin perspective
[16:36] <paultag> jcastro: Oh, you're totally right there
[16:36] <paultag> but if I was to write a SPARC kernel or another Intel kernel, I'd go SPARC every time
[16:39] <jcastro> hmm
[16:40] <jcastro> is there a list of councils anywhere?
[16:40] <paultag> jcastro: dholbach was doing something on lp with the team counncil members
[16:40] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing
[16:40] <paultag> jcastro: but I don't know if that ever got off the ground
[16:40] <dholbach> paultag: you were!
[16:40] <jcastro> ah there we go.
[16:40] <paultag> dholbach: I don't have admin on that team!
[16:40] <paultag> dholbach: I removed all traces of myself so that I would only have indrect membership on it :)
[16:41] <paultag> dholbach: no need for me to own such a team :)
[16:41] <dholbach> paultag: sorry, I'm in too many conversations right now and I can't get that stuff down
[16:41] <dholbach> done
[16:41] <dholbach> sorry :/
[16:41] <paultag> dholbach: that's fine. If you want me to finish that one up, just mark me as admin. I'll straighten it up and then remove myself again. Only if we want to move forward with it.
[16:42] <dholbach> yeah, I can't even remember if we agreed on it
[16:42] <paultag> dholbach: me neither
[16:42] <nhandler> I think having the LP team setup (regardless of if we use it for anything or a ML) would still be nice
[16:42] <paultag> nhandler: aye
[16:42] <paultag> nhandler: dholbach: I would suggest an informal vote to see if anyone has issue with it
[16:43] <paultag> and if they do, then why
[16:43] <paultag> and see if we can't address it
[16:43] <dholbach> sure why not
[16:43] <nhandler> I doubt anyone would have an issue with just having an LP team that has all councils as members (especially if they can just ignore it)
[16:43] <paultag> nhandler: aye
[16:43] <nhandler> It isn't a change in policy or anything like that
[16:44] <paultag> sidenote, hey nhandler -- how are you today :)
[16:44] <nhandler> paultag: Doing well. Making my way through the LD bug list
[16:44] <popey> so are you creating a team that just contains teams?
[16:44] <popey> not individuals
[16:45] <popey>  paultag / dholbach ^
[16:45] <paultag> popey: +1
[16:45] <nhandler> popey: I thought that was the idea
[16:45] <paultag> popey: that's why I removed myself from the team
[16:45] <popey> ok, makes sense to me
[16:45] <paultag> popey: and why no one is using it :)
[16:45] <nhandler> popey: That way, it wouldn't need to get updated when the councils change
[16:45] <paultag> right nhandler
[16:45] <dholbach> I'll leave that to you guys
[16:45] <dholbach> I call it a day :)
[16:45] <dholbach> have a great weekend!
[16:45] <popey> o/
[16:45] <paultag> dholbach: you own it!
[16:45] <nhandler> You too dholbach
[16:45] <paultag> dholbach: well ok. Nevermind, we can still start discussion on it
[16:45] <dholbach> I need to help my sister carry a mattress through burnin' hot Berlin - again
[16:45] <paultag> dholbach: Tschuss! Schones Wochenender :)
[16:46] <nhandler> paultag: What was the LP team again?
[16:46] <dholbach> paultag: give me the link again and I'll give it to you
[16:46] <dholbach> paultag: "Tschüss! Schönes Wochenende!" :)
[16:46] <paultag> dholbach: I'm on IRSSI, those come out as ?
[16:46] <paultag> dholbach: I can't do Umlaut! :)
[16:46] <paultag> dholbach: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-council-teams
[16:47] <dholbach> paultag: you can stay stuck in the 1980's for all I care :-P
[16:47] <dholbach> paultag: üöäß :)
[16:47] <nhandler> paultag: The entire CC owns that team
[16:47] <paultag> dholbach: until I get x-screen working, it'll be screen :)
[16:47] <paultag> nhandler: no frak :P -- I set them to own it and removed myself
[16:48] <nhandler> paultag: Yeah, but we don't need dholbach, he can go enjoy his weekend, and we can get one of the other members to handle it :)
[16:48] <dholbach> alrightie
[16:48] <paultag> nhandler: Righto. Good move
[16:48] <dholbach> rock on everyone!
[16:48] <dholbach> see you! :)
[16:48] <paultag> Later dholbach :)
[16:48] <popey> what needs doing?
[16:48] <nhandler> popey: Populating https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-council-teams
[16:48] <paultag> popey: can you populate https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-council-teams >
[16:48] <popey> with?
[16:48] <paultag> nhandler: this is why we love eachother
[16:48] <paultag> popey: council teams
[16:49] <popey> sure, gimmie a list and I'll do it
[16:49] <popey> I am about to leave work, can you pm me the list or email and I'll do it when i get home
[16:49] <paultag> popey: righto
[16:49] <nhandler> popey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing
[16:49] <popey> ooh, thats a handy list
[16:52] <czajkowski> popey: you poked? then ran away
[16:52] <popey> yeah, nvm
[16:52] <qense> Screaming people on the streets: the netherlands have defeated Brazil! Twitter is down!
[16:52] <czajkowski> ok..
[16:52] <paultag> Whoh WTF
[16:53] <qense> 2-1
[16:53] <paultag> BOOHYEAH!!!!
[16:53] <paultag> congrats qense!!!!
[16:53] <qense> :P
[16:53] <qense> yayay!
[16:53] <popey> paultag - added all those
[16:54] <paultag> popey: you rock, thank you :)
[16:54]  * paultag hugs popey
[16:54] <popey> np
[16:54] <popey> some are invited, they have to accept
[16:54] <paultag> aye
[16:54] <qense> One of our goals was scored by Brazil, but that doesn't matter! :P
[16:54] <nhandler> We could probably get someone from the TB go accept a few of those
[17:11] <qense> Twitter is more than down right now. Do they actually realise how big Twitter is in the Netherlands?
[17:20] <qense> YouTube is already being flooded with videos from the Ned-Bra game. :P
[17:21] <qense> Twitter still very down.
[17:48] <jcastro> <--- late lunching
[17:48] <jcastro> jono: appmenu status is up!
[17:48] <jono> jcastro, saw it, great work!
[17:48] <jcastro> with this new tool it will make fixing things much easier
[17:49] <jcastro> ok, off for some food
[17:51] <jono> :)
[19:09] <doctormo> Morning jono, everything going well?
[19:09] <jcastro> greg-g: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
[19:09] <paultag> doctormo: it's the afternoon over here
[19:13] <jono> doctormo, great thanks :-)
[19:24] <nhandler> Ah, Happy Birthday greg-g
[19:26] <jcastro> haha
[19:26] <jcastro> jono: this video looks way too .... enterprisey for you
[19:26] <jcastro> I am surprised they didn't make you wear a collared shirt
[19:26] <jono> jcastro, check it out, I think I made it clear what they should do
[19:27] <jcastro> I am listening to it
[20:38] <czajkowski> afternoon chaparoos
[20:38] <Technoviking> jcastro: http://www.xayni.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/iphone4_holding_problem_fixed.jpg
[20:39] <jcastro> hah, awesome
[20:39] <Technoviking> Apple gave me a free bumoer for my 3G problem
[20:55] <czajkowski> jono: when you mail the LC poke me and I'll moderate the mail
[20:56] <jono> cheers, yeah I havent had a chance to do it yet
[20:56] <jono> Technoviking, what the hell is a bumoer?
[20:56] <jono> lol
[20:56] <czajkowski> jono: grand job
[20:56] <czajkowski> also need to work on my talk for next week in leeds
[20:56] <doctormo> jono: Nice video, vibrant community eh.
[20:56] <czajkowski> jono: which is thanks to your blog post at ada lovelace a guy in the UK asked me over to talk on Ubuntu women
[20:56] <jono> doctormo, lol
[20:57] <jono> czajkowski, nice! :)
[20:57] <jono> gotta shout out the homies
[20:57] <jono> :)
[20:57] <czajkowski> jono: aye... once I figure out what I'm talking about
[20:57] <jono> lol
[20:57] <czajkowski> http://www.nationalclcsconference.org/?p=203#clcs10
[20:57] <doctormo> czajkowski: How's your mum today? everything going well?
[20:58] <czajkowski> doctormo: aye it's amazing how fast you let out after keyhole. she's still groggy and was up and about today, but tired after a while. but a lot better than she used to be after a op.  they removed 5 gall stones and her gall bladder through her belly button
[20:59] <doctormo> czajkowski: Sounds good, my wife's op for gall stones wasn't so neat, although she was up and about in a week.
[21:00] <czajkowski> doctormo: aye mum, this would be my mums 4th in about 9 years so she didnt want to be "opened up" again as she's full of adhesions and recovery takes a lot longer
[21:00] <doctormo> Having dealt with both the NHS when my mum had gall stones and the US system with my wife, I'd pick the NHS, they seem to care a little more about the patient. Ay-ya! 4th op for the same thing?
[21:04] <jcastro> jono: did you get the android update on your nexus?
[21:05] <czajkowski> doctormo: nope 4th different one
[21:06] <jono> jcastro, I haven't checked yet
[21:06] <Technoviking> jono: I'm not fat, I just got fat fingers:)
[21:15] <jono> Technoviking, lol
[21:26] <jcastro> Technoviking: could be worse, they could be sausage fingers
[21:29] <jcastro> tough crowd today!
[21:30] <paultag> boooo!
[21:31]  * paultag throws something
[21:34] <czajkowski> hmm is there a way of inserting a text box in open office presentations
[21:37] <jussi> czajkowski: yeah, just ad a box and double click
[21:37] <jussi> double clicking the box will enable you to write on it
[21:38] <czajkowski> and then change the borders and  stuff
[21:38] <czajkowski> ok
[21:38] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:41] <jussi> czajkowski: you can do it with the callouts also, if you want a callout
[21:41] <czajkowski> nope not a call put
[21:41] <czajkowski> *put
[21:41] <czajkowski> I basically want to put text all over the place at different points
[21:41] <czajkowski> but not see a box
[21:56] <Technoviking> cool Adobe Air is the Canonical partner repo
[22:05] <jono> doctormo, my Fast Track Pro arrives today
[22:06] <jono> so I can poke around and see if I can get the s/pdif working
[22:13] <jcastro> End of Week here, cya all on Tuesday!
[22:13] <jcastro> as this monday we celebrate not being English!
[22:14] <czajkowski> jcastro: hah
[22:14] <czajkowski> I was in the states one year fo 4th of July it's pretty amazing
[22:15] <Technoviking> jcastro: col-o-nies col-o-nies col-o-nies
[22:15] <czajkowski> hmm trying to find a decent pic of me not sticking my tongue out is frigging impossible!
[22:16] <Technoviking> USA: taking the letter u out of words for 234 years
[22:17] <nhandler> czajkowski: Have you been in Chicago for its firework show?
[22:17] <czajkowski> nhandler: nope I spent 3 months in hampton beach new hampshire
[22:17] <czajkowski> fireworks on the beach were amazing
[22:18] <nhandler> czajkowski: Fireworks in Chicago over the lake beat fireworks anywhere else in the country (according to many sources)
[22:18] <czajkowski> nhandler: next time I fly to toronto I might actually stop for more than 3 hrs in O'hare and see some of Chicago
[22:19] <nhandler> czajkowski: Stop by #ubuntu-chicago ahead of time. I know nixternal frequently stops by ohare to say hi to people passing through
[22:19] <czajkowski> ah cool
[22:19] <Technoviking> later all, have a good weekend
[22:19] <jussi> czajkowski: ahh, I thought you wantesd the box. in the drawing toolbar theres a text thingy
[22:19] <jussi> now to bed
[22:19] <czajkowski> hoping to invade in september for a week agin
[22:27] <paultag> whoh czajkowski, when are you in the states?
[22:27] <paultag> Oh right
[22:27] <paultag> read the scrollback, nvmd
[22:28] <czajkowski> paultag: best mate moved to Toronto for work as she got made redundant here 2.5 yrs ago in construction and needed work as she's a single mum. So now when I can I plan on going over
[22:29] <paultag> czajkowski: rad
[22:29] <czajkowski> paultag: great fun getting Canadians to say about
[22:29] <czajkowski> aboot :)
[22:29] <paultag> a boot
[22:29] <paultag> haha yeah
[22:29] <czajkowski> <--easily amused
[22:30] <paultag> a what?
[22:30] <paultag> a boot!


[00:24] <jsmooth> toddc: My laptop hard drive is too small, that's why I installed onto USB flash. I got recommendation form a computer engineer (professional) to do so. HE said it might be a bit slow, but would be my best answer. Slowness isn't the issue though.
[00:45] <leftyfb> jsmooth: how small is the hard drive?
[01:01] <Pinguin_44> anyone alive in here?
[01:04] <Pinguin_44> I'm using kubuntu 22.04. I have a tether setup to my phone via usb running an app called tetrd. I'm sharing the internet via ethernet into the router's internet port. If I enable the built in firewall in Kubuntu settings with the rule allow all incoming and allow all outgoing I lose internet on the router.
[01:47] <c0ld5n4p> can I use FSCK to check / repair a windows based drive?? or does it not do the same as chkdsk would do?
[01:48] <leftyfb> c0ld5n4p: no. You can use ntfsfix but you are better off using Windows to run chkdsk
[01:50] <c0ld5n4p> thx
[04:59] <josh_> Greetings! I have upgraded to Ubuntu 23.03 and I am experiencing some freezing issues, has anyone  faced such issues and if so is there a workaround?
[05:35] <kotgc> Hello, can Ubuntu.iso be downloaded whilst including virt-manager? The machine has no Internet until a KVM router is installed.
[05:38] <kotgc> I can download virt-manager.tar.gz onto a USB, however the Ubuntu.iso needs Internet to install some packages, to run virt-manager.
[06:37] <mark__> sup guys
[07:34] <hary> hello ...
[07:34] <hary> jakarta from here
[07:35] <enyc> hary: what do you mean?
[07:35] <enyc> ubuntu qusetion?
[07:35] <hary> yes
[07:35] <kotgc> How to install virt-install on ubuntu22 desktop with no Internet?
[07:36] <hary> 1st time lubuntu
[07:36] <hary> trying how fast this os
[07:37] <enyc> kotgc: I suspect thats' part of "virt-manager" package
[07:37] <kotgc> enyc, yes, I'm trying to install virt-manager without Internet...I have the tar.gz file on USB
[07:37] <enyc> kotgc: not exactly sure but you may be able to save all the .deb files  and faff  but imho thats a bit silly, better to set up temporary internet connection, get everyithing installed, ...
[07:37] <enyc> kotgc: you shouldn't need tar files,  as virt-manager is a core deb package
[07:38] <enyc> kotgc: compliing from tar.gz source is needless faff
[07:38] <kotgc> enyc, well, that's it...once virt manager is installed, I can install internet on a KVM.
[07:38] <enyc> kotgc: ONE approach to this is as follows:-
[07:39] <enyc> kotgc: (1) get another separate machine with internet,  clean ubuntu install [NOT with packages etc added]    (2) on that machine,  sudo apt-get install virt-manager
[07:39] <kotgc> I have the unzipped tar.gz file, which is: virt-manager-4.1.0
[07:39] <enyc> kotgc: yes you DONT WANT tar.gz file
[07:39] <enyc> kotgc: deb packages ALREADY inscluded in ubuntu
[07:40] <kotgc> enyc, really, can ubuntu show me the GUI icon VMM, so I can then install the KVM?
[07:40] <enyc> kotgc: (3) then you have in  /var/cache/apt/archives/   all the .deb files needed,  copy that whole set of .deb's  to the machine you need it on
[07:41] <enyc> kotgc: you can then start installing the suitable .deb's  including all the dependencies and virt-manager deb itself
[07:41] <enyc> kotgc: notice ubuntu ALREADY has virt-manager  as deb packages  included,  you DO NOT need to  tar.gz  install at all
[07:42] <kotgc> enyc, ok, I see these deb files https://dpaste.org/quMEU
[07:42] <enyc> kotgc: you MISSED step (1)
[07:43] <kotgc> enyc, Step 1 is tricky, I have only this machine on Internet right now, so I'm trying to find the deb file here.
[07:43] <enyc> kotgc: its tricky whatever you do
[07:44] <enyc> kotgc: you could use a chroot ararngement on internet connected machine
[07:44] <enyc> kotgc: debootstrap  chroot ubuntu jammy22.04LTS
[07:45] <enyc> kotgc: if you have a CLEAN chroot or CLEAN ubuntu with internet,  NOT just another machine ...  then when you  apt-get -yd install virt-manager ...    you'll get all the necessary deb packages in  /var/cache/apt/archives
[07:45] <enyc> kotgc: you can then  transfer all those .deb's  to the offline machine  and use them to install all those packages to make virt-manager work
[07:48] <kotgc> enyc, can I copy these deb files over to a new machine now?
[07:48] <enyc> kotgc: its' also possible to manually find them all in    https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/virt-manager   and get the "all" or "amd64"  version  but then you need every single dependent package manually as well
[07:48] <kotgc> ok
[07:48] <enyc> kotgc: what do you mean,  you didn't DETAIL  the steps you already took to get a clean machine  FIRST
[07:48] <kotgc> no clean machine.
[07:49] <enyc> kotgc: so set one up, or set up a clean chroot  as I said
[07:50] <kotgc> bit of a trick for KVM routers. Need Internet for the deb packages. I'll look up what a clean chroot is.
[07:50] <enyc> kotgc: chroot environment is a way to get a  basic ubuntu or debian or other distro  inside another system  without full virtualization
[07:50] <enyc> kotgc: what I mean by 'clean' is one you have NOT added packages to yet
[07:51] <kotgc> ok
[07:51] <enyc> kotgc: so that when you    sudo apt-get -yd install virt-manager    it then ... "gets" all the package files into /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:51] <enyc> kotgc: no good doing that on system with virt-manager or at least many of the dependencies  already installed,  as the .deb's you need won't be saved
[07:51] <kotgc> enyc, I'm missing why I can't use this computer and need to do a clean machine and then download virt-manager?
[07:52] <kotgc> This machine was clean until I downloaded the VMM.
[07:52] <enyc> kotgc: ''downloaded'' too-vague
[07:52] <enyc> kotgc: did you  "suto apt install virt-manager"  or what EXACTLY ?
[07:52] <kotgc> enyc, installed Virtual Machine Manager.
[07:53] <enyc> kotgc: what ubuntu package is that installed with ?
[07:53] <enyc> kotgc: aah package "virt-manager"  it would seem hrrm
[07:54] <enyc> kotgc: if this other machine  had  "sudo apt install virt-manager"  recently  then  you should already have  virt-manager deb  in /var/cache/apt/archives
[07:54] <kotgc> enyc, yes, I think I ran command: sudo apt install virt-manager, as per https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/virtualization-virt-tools
[07:55] <enyc> which wasn't on the list you showed be earlier i think
[07:55] <kotgc> enyc, this one, strange? https://dpaste.org/quMEU
[07:56] <enyc> kotgc: exactly  maybe it was a while ago
[07:56] <kotgc> enyc, Ubuntu now has a big app icon saying Virtual Machine Manager.
[07:56] <enyc> kotgc: this is what i'm sayincg  you could just get another machine or set up a chroot or whatever
[07:57] <enyc> kotgc: then  sudo apt-get -yd install virt-manager   on that clean machine  and  voila  all needed deb's in /var/cache/apt/archives
[07:57] <kotgc> ok
[07:58] <enyc> kotgc: you CAN  sudo apt-get -yd install --reinstall virt-manager     but you'll only get virt-manager  deb   ... similarly you could download that deb manually starting from  https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/virt-manager   BUT  when you try to  sudo dpkg -i   the virt-manager  deb package  on that offline machine you'll then find you need loads of other dependent packages
[07:59] <kotgc> yes
[08:01] <enyc> kotgc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot  <- I imagine you can set up a  Jammy  chroot  and then   sudo apt-get -yd install virt-manager   to get  [/path/to/chroot...]/var/cache/apt/archives/   .deb 's you need
[08:01] <kotgc> enyc, thx, I'll read that
[08:02] <enyc> kotgc: you can use either gui tools or  sudo dpkg -i    to install from .deb  files ...
[08:02] <kotgc> ok
[08:03] <enyc> kotgc: KEEP NOTE DONT LOSE:  it MAY be helpful to  go into the chroot,  sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade  THEN  sudo apt-get clean    FIRST  [cleans out  /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb]   THEN   sudo apt-get -yd install --reinstall virt-manager     SO that you only get the 'addon packages' needed  to a basic clean install
[08:04] <enyc> uerr
[08:04] <enyc> kotgc: KEEP NOTE DONT LOSE:  it MAY be helpful to  go into the chroot,  sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade  THEN  sudo apt-get clean    FIRST  [cleans out  /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb]   THEN   sudo apt-get -yd install virt-manager     SO that you only get the 'addon packages' needed  to a basic clean install
[08:04]  * enyc meows =)
[09:17] <Mike112> hey guys, is it possible to force a Steam game to run on the integrated GPU, please? I've done a fresh installation of ubuntu 23.04 on my gaming laptop with and AMD Ryzen 7 3750H CPU with Radeon Vega 10 integrated GPU + nVidia GTX 1660Ti discrete GPU. So far so good. I've installed Brave, Steam, nvidia v535 drivers. Games work fine. I have the
[09:17] <Mike112> feeling the run on the discrete gpu by default, so I'd like to test how they run on the integrated gpu
[09:21] <Mike112> why do I have the feeling the games run on the dGPU by default is that the FPS is too good in my opinion. I have 60 FPS on a new 3D strategy game and that would seem to be too good to be true for an iGPU
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> Mike112: could it be, hybrid graphics your app needs to be launched with right mouse click, then choose the graphics of choice?
[09:36] <Mike112> I only see Run using Discrete GPU, unfortunately
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> Mike112: what about nvidia-prime package, can you choose powersaving vs performance mode there?
[09:49] <Mike112> I could only select "Performance Mode" and "On-Demand Mode", but it behaves exactly the same
[09:49] <Mike112> I just installed GPU Profile Selector: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/5009/gpu-profile-selector/
[09:50] <Mike112> this allows me to select Integrated GPU, so this worked. Now the FPS is much lower, so it seems it really switched to the iGPU
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> ah nice looks cool Mike112
[09:50] <Mike112> thanks anyway! :)
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> but weird gnome cant handle that by default
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> there's also a switcheroo package that can do things on hybrid graphics Mike112
[09:51] <Mike112> yeah, one would expect it would have both, "Run on Discrete GPU" and "Run on Integrated GPU" when right-clicking on app iconž
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> maybe check your dmesg logs if thats your case
[09:51] <Mike112> ok, thank you. I'll check switcheroo
[10:35] <jsmooth> I keep getting "timed out" trying to run composer install for a Laravel project. A search has shown it may be an ipv6 issue, but I don't want to type in a command I don't understand for making ipv4 have priority. I'm using Ubuntu 22 with WSL 2
[11:08] <Instantcarma> hallo
[11:08] <Instantcarma> hi
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> welcome Instantcarma
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> how can we help you today?
[11:13] <casualuse> hello
[11:14] <casualuse> anyone here
[11:14] <casualuse> I was just banned from the ubuntu forum
[11:14] <casualuse> for trying to connect with fellow opensource developers
[11:14] <casualuse> I posted my GPL'd project
[11:14] <casualuse> coffeedipshit banned me
[11:14] <casualuse> I want you to take my ip address down
[11:15] <casualuse> because I'm tired of every fucking place banning anyone who isn't a mewling slave
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> please keep the language family friendly casualuse
[11:15] <mozambique> godd dam it
[11:15] <casualuse> I will kill you fucks when WW3 gets going, and things get chaotic
[11:15] <casualuse> do you fking understand?
[11:15] <jeremy31> casualuse: this is not the place to complain
[11:15] <casualuse> I am just trying to get some fellow C programmers
[11:15] <alphasierra> > I will kill you fucks when WW3 gets going, and things get chaotic, and you wonder hwy you were banned
[11:15] <alphasierra> lmao
[11:15] <casualuse> I posted in "general questions"
[11:16] <casualuse> alphasierra: I'm 37
[11:16] <KingShark> can you link that post i am curious
[11:16] <jeremy31> ubuntuforums.org is not the place to advertise projects
[11:16] <casualuse> russia started ww3
[11:16] <mozambique> ask for the term of search
[11:16] <alphasierra> casualuse, do not understand how that is relevean
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> !ops
[11:16] <mozambique> it's better than the link
[11:16] <casualuse> jeremy31: "nowhere" is the place to "advertise" projects
[11:16] <casualuse> im NOT going to obey "u cant get contributors anywhere hahahha it's the rulez"
[11:17] <casualuse> see lotuspsychje calling for mods allready
[11:17] <casualuse> probably a woman
[11:17] <alphasierra> obvious troll
[11:17] <casualuse> alphasierra: nope dipshit
[11:17] <jeremy31> nipseyhussle2
[11:17] <casualuse> older than you
[11:17] <casualuse> and been opensource programming for over 20 years
[11:17] <casualuse> jeremy31: im going to post urls as asked
[11:17] <mozambique> my mind was deleted and iam 44
[11:18] <casualuse> ofcourse I'm sure that's against the rulez too
[11:18] <casualuse> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2491029
[11:18] <casualuse> https://web.archive.org/save/https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2491029
[11:18] <casualuse> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2491030&p=14158714#post14158714
[11:18] <casualuse> https://web.archive.org/save/https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2491030&p=14158714#post14158714
[11:18] <casualuse>
[11:18] <alphasierra> i am a 120, and have been programmin since before opensource was a thing
[11:18] <alphasierra> :)
[11:18] <mozambique> 120
[11:18] <mozambique> thats a beautifull age
[11:19] <alphasierra> sending me dm's now
[11:19] <alphasierra> lol
[11:21] <jeremy31> He should have posted in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:21] <KingShark> check his forum threads though its fun
[11:21] <KingShark> he posted in general help and the post is named 'Hi (wanted to say hi) '
[11:21] <jeremy31> The ubuntuforums posts were hidden from public view
[11:22] <KingShark> the web.archive.org links still work
[11:22] <KingShark> casualuse, (not sure if you are muted): general help and trying to find fellow developers is not a good match
[11:23] <KingShark> casualuse, 'general help'is meant as 'general help using ubuntu'
[11:31] <casualuse> as you can see
[11:31] <casualuse> you asked for the URLS
[11:31] <casualuse> I gave them
[11:31] <casualuse> banned by a bot
[11:31] <jeremy31> Banned by the bot for the same reason you got banned from ubuntuforums
[11:32] <casualuse> KingShark: did you get the urls of the posts? I also posted the webarchive.
[11:33] <casualuse> alphasierra: this look like a "troll" to you (you'll say yes to be snarky and "ironic"): chaosesqueteam.itch.io/chaosesque-anthology    libregamewiki.org/Chaos_Esque_Anthology
[11:33] <casualuse> jeremy31: go to hell asshole
[11:33] <KingShark> casualuse, yeah BUT you posted on 'general help' which is meant as in 'general help using ubuntu'
[11:33] <casualuse> whatever
[11:33] <KingShark> not as in 'general help for anything'
[11:33] <casualuse> you have 7000 forums
[11:33] <casualuse> and 9000 that get 0 views
[11:34] <casualuse> general is the only one that ever gets any posts in any forum anyway
[11:34] <KingShark> casualuse, try finding fellow developers in more developer-centric environments than the ubuntu general help section :)
[11:34] <casualuse> I used to run a phpbb2 : so I know
[11:34] <casualuse> KingShark: there are none anymore
[11:34] <jeremy31> The view counter on ubuntuforums has been broken since 2016
[11:34] <casualuse> lol
[11:34] <KingShark> casualuse, i found a friend to develop with by developing for an existing open source game and we are now working on our own projects xD
[11:34] <casualuse> git browsing on sourceforge has been broken since 2012?
[11:34] <casualuse> I've complained but they never fixed it
[11:35] <casualuse> atleast I can torify git push to their tho
[11:35] <casualuse> I have to publish my git repos as 25gb split tarballs tho every so often
[11:35] <KingShark> casualuse, maybe use an existing game development engine and then get together with other devs that use it
[11:35] <casualuse> KingShark: allready did that: this is a 10 yr old project
[11:36] <casualuse> has 200 weapons, 60 vehicles, 100+maps etc
[11:36] <casualuse> I put a link above in my post to alphanevada
[11:36] <alphasierra> casualuse, while the project might be impressive, your behaviour is not
[11:36] <casualuse> KingShark: recently I've been adding some mode/map file formats
[11:36] <casualuse> alphasierra: woman
[11:36] <casualuse> alphasierra: you want to fight me we can fight
[11:37] <casualuse> we can
[11:37] <casualuse> so time and place
[11:37] <KingShark> casualuse, you are comedy gold :))
[11:37] <casualuse> equal rights, equal lefts
[11:37] <alphasierra> in a 100 years, on the moon
[11:37] <alphasierra> i'll see you there :)
[11:37] <casualuse> alphasierra: only india will be there then
[11:37] <casualuse> russia couldn't do it anymore
[11:37] <casualuse> and we don't even try
[11:38] <casualuse> KingShark: I was adding some new file formats this summer
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> !ot
[11:38] <casualuse> MineTest exports and BZFlag exports
[11:38] <casualuse> lotuspsychje: oh so I can't even talk to someone now?
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> please stop that casualuse , only ubuntu support issues here
[11:38] <casualuse> lotuspsychje: _fuck_ you
[11:38] <casualuse> lotuspsychje: I will not dip fucking shit
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> not here no
[11:38] <casualuse> lotuspsychje: fuck you faggot
[11:38] <casualuse> been in opensource longer than you
[11:39] <casualuse> ill do as I please
[11:39] <casualuse> with as many IPs as I please
[11:39] <casualuse> understand zoomer fuck
[11:39] <casualuse> KingShark: the opinion of BZFlag and MineTest as to what exactly an obj file is, is different than the engines
[11:39] <casualuse> KingShark: so for each I had to do some programming
[11:40] <casualuse> KingShark: BZFlag's "obj file" wouldn't even show up at all
[11:40] <casualuse> turns out some of their values were inverted
[11:40] <casualuse> and both had a different idea of what "up" was
[11:40] <KingShark> casualuse, i am to lazy to write the foundations myself, i use the godot engine and am happy with it
[11:40] <casualuse> and, ofcourse, scaling
[11:40] <KingShark> there are so many free engines out there..
[11:41] <casualuse> KingShark: I added wolfenstine:enemyterritory bsp loading to this engine last year :)
[11:41] <casualuse> got us 600 extra maps to play
[11:41] <casualuse> the minetest stuff actually got us anything you can export as obj from blender tho
[11:41] <casualuse> so all of sketchfab :P
[11:42] <casualuse> name it map.obj_from_mc and you can add directives like map.scale128.obj_from_mc and others
[11:42] <casualuse> KingShark: our engine is Quake1: but lots have been added over the years
[11:42] <casualuse> Quake3 map format is the default I use when mapping
[11:42] <casualuse> lord havoc and others added a ton a decade ago
[11:43] <casualuse> I've been programming things in as needed
[11:43] <casualuse> KingShark: I wanted the unreal 97/ UT99 formats now tho
[11:43] <casualuse> figured "hey don't opensource projects usually have lots of people?"
[11:43] <casualuse> "I just have me, and that's been enough"
[11:43] <casualuse> "but blender has alot of formats because it has people"
[11:43] <KingShark> casualuse, they do but they are usually occupied working on existing stuff already x)
[11:44] <casualuse> yea ... but
[11:44] <casualuse> in the sourcecode I linked
[11:44] <KingShark> casualuse, not having enough devs is a problem many projects suffer from. and its a circle: no devs > no features. no features > no users. no users > not attractive to other devs.
[11:44] <casualuse> I allready did the setup so .t3d will load as a file (you can do map bla.t3d)
[11:44] <casualuse> and it will load the vertexs
[11:44] <casualuse> Well I only have me as a dev
[11:44] <KingShark> you would need to attract someone who cares deeply about your project to reach some critical mass xD
[11:44] <casualuse> and I've done:
[11:44] <casualuse> maps
[11:44] <casualuse> textures
[11:44] <casualuse> engine code (C)
[11:44] <casualuse> gamecode (QC)
[11:45] <casualuse> music
[11:45] <casualuse> sfx
[11:45] <casualuse> etc
[11:45] <KingShark> maybe post on forums for your development language
[11:45] <casualuse> hhhahahhahahahahahah
[11:45] <casualuse> lol
[11:45] <casualuse> you're a funny guy too
[11:45] <casualuse> I try that
[11:45] <casualuse> 1) No registrations allowed on 1/2 of them
[11:45] <casualuse> 2) banned in 2 seconds
[11:46] <casualuse> everything's "against the rulez" from stick up they asses
[11:46] <casualuse> because the stick-up-they-asses don't program or do anything
[11:46] <KingShark> considering you posted in general help on ubuntu to try to find devs, they might be on to something x)
[11:46] <casualuse> so they become "important" by "managing"
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> !ops | casualuse language & offtopic
[11:46] <casualuse> KingShark: the msg I got was "u r banned for 42 points because spam"
[11:46] <casualuse> KingShark: see lotuspsychje is doing it too
[11:46] <casualuse> he can't code
[11:47] <casualuse> so he's "enforcing"
[11:47] <KingShark> guess that is because you made like 5+ comments on your own post instead of putting it in one post
[11:47] <casualuse> well I wanted to post screenshots
[11:47] <KingShark> link the imgur in the initial post
[11:47] <casualuse> and make it not like a wall of text
[11:47] <casualuse> imgur is after my time
[11:47] <casualuse> and the first post I wanted to have no links
[11:47] <casualuse> as when people see a link they ignore the post
[11:47] <KingShark> if you keep commenting on your own thread, its pretending activity that does not exist. which is against usual forum ettiquette
[11:48] <casualuse> I don't care about transsexual things like ettiquette
[11:48] <casualuse> I was running shell servers before such things existed.
[11:48] <casualuse> before #debain-woman too
[11:48] <KingShark> nice for you but if you dont want to play by others rules why are you surprised they ban you x)
[11:49] <casualuse> KingShark: I'll eventually kill them
[11:49] <casualuse> when WW3 gets more chaotic
[11:49] <KingShark> did you forget to take your pills x)
[11:49] <casualuse> "could of prevented this with t3d"
[11:49] <casualuse> KingShark: only pills I take are for the heart
[11:49] <casualuse> and it's still burning with a desire to add more features
[11:49] <KingShark> well. you might want to see a psychologist for your anger issues and get some more pills xD
[11:51] <casualus8>  pressed the "stop" ctrl thing
[11:51] <casualus8> oops
[11:51] <casualus8> KingShark: https://chaosesqueteam.itch.io/chaosesque-anthology
[11:51] <casualus8> some screenshots
[11:52] <casualus8> as you can see: my project can procedurally generate cities with interiors to all
[11:52] <casualus8> (also level of detail)
[11:52] <casualus8> but you can use that to generate whatever you want, map wise
[11:52] <casualus8> supports using other models as heightmaps too
[11:53] <casualus8> KingShark: and here's a video of the wolfenstine enemy territory maps working:
[11:53] <casualus8> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh6FytoJxek
[11:53] <casualus8> anyone here anymore?
[11:54] <casualus8> or did "stop execution of program" stop everybody?
[11:58] <casualus8> https://sourceforge.net/p/chaosesqueanthology/discussion/general/thread/bed4ec239c/
[12:34] <akik> fedora is planning on disabling xorg for plasma and gnome. does ubuntu have these plans?
[12:36] <spratle> i think it is being discussed only at the moment
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:48] <foomo> After a reboot my wired connection stopped working - only wifi works. Could someone please help me diagnose/fix it?
[12:52] <ioria> foomo, is the interface up and configured ? run 'ip a'
[12:53] <foomo> ioria: I presume I'm looking for `eth0`, which is not there
[12:54] <ioria> foomo, run 'lspci -nnk'
[12:56] <foomo> ioria: there I see `Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS525A PCI Express Card Reader [10ec:525a] (rev 01)`
[12:57] <ioria> foomo, run 'dmesg | grep rtsx_pci'
[12:58] <foomo> ioria: the only line found is `[   14.182677] rtsx_pci 0000:3b:00.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)`
[12:59] <ioria> foomo, maybe better if you paste the full output of 'lspci -nnk'
[12:59] <ioria> foomo, lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:00] <foomo> ioria: https://termbin.com/yhirl
[13:03] <ioria> foomo, is the ethernet integrated or on a different slot ?
[13:03] <foomo> ioria: integrated
[13:05] <ioria> foomo, and what's your kernel ? uname -r
[13:05] <foomo> ioria: 5.15.0-84-generic
[13:07] <ioria> foomo, i don't see an Ethernet controller there
[13:09] <foomo> ioria: seem like hardware failure?
[13:09] <OnkelTem> Hi folks
[13:09] <OnkelTem> Since when `pastebinit` posts in a restricted area? People need an account to view the posting?
[13:10] <OnkelTem> I either mess it up with another similar utility or they made it restricted recently
[13:10] <ioria> foomo, if integrated , would be a rare case, but sure might be; try to boot another kernel and check again lspci
[13:11] <foomo> ioria: how do I boot another kernel, and what am I looking for in the lspci output?
[13:11] <foomo> I had this happen once before and it seemingly resolved itself after a reboot, but no such luck this time.
[13:12] <ioria> foomo, from grub, and you check for an 'Ethernet Controller'; unless is that Communication controller [0780]:
[13:12] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: the ubuntu pastebin, the pastebin pastebinit on ubuntu default to using (but it supports several others), has unfortunately been required, for legal reasons, to introduce these restructions.
[13:12] <tomreyn> (this is unrelated to the pastebinit utility)
[13:13] <OnkelTem> so anyone can post w/o an account, but only authed users can view then? :)
[13:14] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: i think so, yes
[13:14] <OnkelTem> cool! (no)
[13:14] <foomo> ioria: okay, going to try now. ty
[13:14] <ioria> ok
[13:14] <OnkelTem> thanks for the answer tomreyn
[13:15] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: there are many other pastebins and pastebin-like services which can be more convenient to use since they do not have these restrictions, yet.
[13:15] <OnkelTem> I would like to use them from command line, are you folks aware of an alternative
[13:16] <tomreyn> echo hello |& nc termbin.com 9999
[13:16] <OnkelTem> :D
[13:16] <OnkelTem> thanks tomreyn !
[13:18] <tomreyn> you're welcome - read their website, this service aslso applies some limitations (as do others), which may come unexpectedly.
[13:19] <OnkelTem> ok!
[13:20] <tomreyn> more importantly, a 1000 lines limit. and the connection closes after 3(?) seconds, so if anything before the pipe into nc has not finished within these 3 seconds, nothing will get posted.
[13:22] <OnkelTem> I like it, so minimal, so easy. Already created an alias (`tb` obviously)
[13:23] <OnkelTem> ah, hence the '&' tomreyn?
[13:23] <OnkelTem> I'm familiar with command line, just don't remember that I was using `|&`
[13:23] <tomreyn> the & character ensures, in bash only, that standard error output also goes through the pipe
[13:24] <tomreyn> so not just standard output
[13:24] <OnkelTem> hm
[13:24] <OnkelTem> I use usually 2 > &1
[13:24] <OnkelTem> So & is like a shortcut?
[13:24] <tomreyn> you can do this, it's just more to type
[13:24] <tomreyn> yes
[13:24] <OnkelTem> Haha. Darn, I wish I knew it before
[13:25] <tomreyn> man bash discusses this and A LOT more things. and the wooledge.org wiki also does so, in a much more readable way.
[13:26] <tomreyn> https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashSheet#Piping
[13:27] <nuala> i have one specific game (kinda my favorite sadly) not respecting remapping changes im doing in jstest(gtk). i can confirm like in firefox the changes are applied and effect immediatly the javascript test thing i use for second point of reference :s any chance to 'force' a mapping to a unity app (native linux build of hollow knight)
[13:40] <akik> tomreyn: what legal reasons?
[13:41] <tomreyn> akik: i guess it was more a matter of "too much effort taken due to too many gdpr requests". but that's just heresay, i don't know the details.
[13:44] <Your_Dog> nuala: If you have steam, then just use steam controller to override keybinds, on the otherhand, you could use something like antimicrox
[13:53] <nuala> Your_Dog: actually i was not expect steam to pickup non-steam games and doing its magic on the controller. but it does. (so modding e.g. via Lumafly is in the cards!) good call! But I keep an eye on antimicrox. Thank you!
[14:10] <cfoch> Hello
[14:10] <cfoch> Does Ubuntu already support "Device Tree"?
[14:14] <leftyfb> cfoch: you mean this? https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/dtc.1.html
[14:14] <leftyfb> !info device-tree-compiler
[14:14] <cfoch> Not at all. I meant:
[14:14] <cfoch> $ cat /boot/config-6.2.0-33-generic | grep CONFIG_OF
[14:14] <cfoch> # CONFIG_OF is not set
[14:15] <leftyfb> so set it?
[14:15] <cfoch> But for that I have to re-compile the kernel.
[14:15] <leftyfb> yes
[14:16] <cfoch> That's why I was asking if Ubuntu already supports device tree. I am on Ubuntu Focal, old distro.
[14:16] <leftyfb> cfoch: not sure if this helps you https://www.phoronix.com/review/linux-42-of/2
[14:18] <cfoch> I am not sure either :)
[16:45] <prov> Hi guys I just install U Server and I have and can install software using Ubuntu-software but I would like to install Solaar for my Logitech Mouse however when I try to install it the install button changes to Cancel and nothing happens. If I come out and search for Solaar again then it appears in the software list but now says Pending at the end of the row  I can install other software fine.  Any ideas please anyone?  thanks
[16:48] <jeremy31> Reboot?
[16:51] <prov> Yeah I gave that ago and its the same
[16:51] <prov> Is there a setting that stops it installing if the app is classed as "Potentially Unsafe"
[17:56] <Guest1l|11> hey losers guess what, fuuuuuulalalalalalaaaauuucccccccccccccccccccccccccccccckkk you
[17:56] <leftyfb> Guest1l|11: trolling is offtopic here. This is support channel
[17:57] <kostkon> tsk tsk
[17:57] <Guest1l|11> I need liiiiiiiii support so I can a dumb windows 11 coms so I can get ubuntu on it with money I don't got
[17:57] <kostkon> here they are again
[17:58] <Guest1l|11> what's the best way to pay for ubuntu?
[17:58] <leftyfb> Guest1l|11: go away
[17:59] <Guest1l|11> I'm asking a legit idea und this shit ain't clean
[17:59] <leftyfb> Guest1l|11: /join #politics, they love trolls
[18:01] <kostkon> Guest1l|11, if you've got legitimate support questions to ask go ahead and ask them. Otherwise please remain quiet, you can stay on this channel, just please don't troll
[18:02] <kostkon> oh they changed their nick in the meantime
[22:23] <Ballo> Hello. I'm used to a stripped down UNIX machine and something somewhere in modern Linus is resetting my default gateway
[22:24] <Ballo> If there a way to disable all the services so I can just get my old non-NERFed UNIX back?
[22:30] <topcat001> Ubuntu is not exactly stripped down, but the server version is pretty minimal.
[22:32] <leftyfb> Ballo: what release of ubuntu are you running?
[22:34] <Ballo> 22.04 I think
[22:35] <Ballo> I think I chose the wrong distro tbh
[22:35] <Ballo> Things used to be simple
[22:35] <ravage> good luck on your search for the past then
[22:35] <Ballo> yes, back when you set the route it would stay set
[22:36] <Ballo> Amazingly, still works in MacOS Ventura
[22:36] <ravage> !ot Ballo
[22:36] <ravage> !ot | Ballo
[22:44] <ph88> hi all, does someone know a 2023 replacement for this old functionality? https://www.howtogeek.com/111989/how-to-sync-quickly-reinstall-applications-on-ubuntu/
[22:46] <Eickmeyer> ph88: Functionality was never replaced.
[22:47] <Eickmeyer> Was a great concept though, and very useful.
[22:47] <ph88> maybe 3rd party implementation ?
[22:47] <Eickmeyer> Perhaps something scripted. Really, "sudo apt install {list of packages}" would do the same thing.
[22:47] <Eickmeyer> (from the terminal)
[22:48] <Eickmeyer> Of course, that's assuming you knew which whole applications you had installed.
[22:48] <Eickmeyer> Sadly, I believe the Ubuntu Software's implementation was one-of-a-kind.
[22:49] <Eickmeyer> Maybe in the future it will come back, but who knows. Might be worth a feature request. If you hang on a minute, ph88, I'll direct you to the github repo where you could make such a request.
[22:50] <Eickmeyer> ph88: https://github.com/ubuntu/app-center/issues
[22:51] <ph88> Eickmeyer, if i list all packages, save them to a file with exact versions, then use this file to reinstall on another pc. Is that asking for trouble ?
[22:51] <ph88> thanks for the link
[22:52] <Eickmeyer> ph88: Potentially, because you might install items that are merely dependencies or recommends that then get marked as manually installed, which means they're no longer automatically installed. When that happens, if you remove a whole app and it is no longer required, the computer thinks it still is.
[22:52] <Eickmeyer> s/it/the dependency
[22:53] <Eickmeyer> So when you go to autoremove, nothing gets removed.
[22:55] <ph88> Eickmeyer, do you know if i can get a list of packages that were manually installed ?
[22:55] <Eickmeyer> ph88: Let me think about that a minute. That's an excellent question!
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> ph88: apt-mark showmanual
[22:56] <ph88> ok what if i sync that list between two computers. and sync the home directory too. Am i good to go then ?
[22:56]  * Eickmeyer has been packaging for years and learned something
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> Honestly, I think so!
[22:57] <ph88> that's nice. worth a try i think :D
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> Yep!
[22:57] <ph88> then i can work at home from my pc and take my laptop and it will be the same
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> Granted, it wouldn't grab any snaps that were installed, but that's an easy list to get too.
[22:58] <ph88> i'm even surprised that when i googled for this my search turned up very little
[22:58] <ph88> how to grab the snaps ?
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> snap list
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> (almost too easy)
[22:59] <Eickmeyer> Some come pre-installed, so make sure you snap list there too.
[23:04] <ph88> Eickmeyer, should i use rsync and cron or something else ?
[23:04] <Eickmeyer> To backup your home?
[23:43] <ph88> Eickmeyer, yes to sync the home dir
[23:44] <Eickmeyer> ph88: Ah. If you're doing an *immediate transfer*, then yes, I'd do rsync (no need to cron unless you want to backup consistently). rsync can even transfer over ssh using the same syntax as scp.
[23:49] <ph88> Eickmeyer, i was thinking i would set it to check every 5 minutes or so. So that it always stays in sync. Would that be fine ?
[23:50] <Eickmeyer> What exactly are you trying to do? Keep two machines constantly in sync?
[23:50] <ph88> yes
[23:50] <ph88> How would i deal with the scenario that one machine deleted a file .. it would have to be deleted on the other machine as well. Can rsync do that ?
[23:51] <Eickmeyer> Then I'd recommend something a little more centrallized, like nextcloud or something else.
[23:51] <Eickmeyer> You're going to be pulling your hair out trying to implement something with just nextcloud.
[23:52] <Eickmeyer> Even syncthing might be a decent option, which is decentrallized.
[23:52] <ph88> can i install nextcloud on my pc
[23:52] <ph88> ?
[23:52] <Eickmeyer> s/nextcloud/rsync
[23:52] <Eickmeyer> Well, yes and no.
[23:52] <Eickmeyer> Nextcloud has a server and client setup.
[23:53] <Eickmeyer> You'd, in theory, need three machines: one server and two clients, for what you're trying to do.
[23:53] <Eickmeyer> Syncthing might be a better option for you.
[23:53] <ph88> ok
[23:53] <ph88> thank you
[23:53] <Eickmeyer> You're welcome. In my experience, syncthing was buggy, but that was years ago.


[08:25] <mup> Issue operator#719 opened: refactor Event.framework: externally managed state  <enhancement> <Created by PietroPasotti> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/719>
[21:26] <mup> PR operator#717 closed: DEPATING -> DEPARTING <Created by PietroPasotti> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/717>
[21:48] <mup> PR operator#715 closed: Implement send-signal for harness <Created by sed-i> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/715>


[11:25] <keesj> ion_: over the top would be a more apropriate description :p
[11:26] <ion_> :-)
[11:26] <keesj> but it worked for me using myopenid
[11:27] <ion_> keesj: Btw, i recommend not using <foo>.myopenid.com as the identifier, but http://<your-personal-website>/ instead, by adding the needed OpenID metadata to the index page. That way, you’ll be able to switch OpenID providers at will, while preserving your identifier. Also, it’s cooler to log in using your website URL. :-P https://www.myopenid.com/help, heading “Using your own URL”
[11:29] <keesj> but you use about 3 different websites to get this working rpx yahoo google query api...
[11:30] <ion_> I use the Yahoo UI CSS for the layout, jQuery from Google’s CDN for my own JavaScript stuff and rpxnow JavaScript (which depends on neither of Yahoo UI or jQuery) for the log in popup.
[11:33] <ion_> *None* of those three are required for logging in. :-)
[11:43] <keesj> ion_: I am a geek but just spent 15 minutes getting it working , registering dns entries and other stuff :p
[11:45] <ion_> keesj: The OpenID delegation?
[11:47] <keesj> yes the dns based verification that you are the domain owner...
[11:49] <ion_> keesj: An URL for information about that feature, please?
[11:52] <keesj> http://www.paste-it.net/public/yc34b3d/
[12:00] <ion_> Huh. I don’t remember having to do anything like that. I’ll take a look whether myopenid complains about such.
[12:01] <ion_> Ah, now i get it. I added “*.openid        CNAME   myopenid.com.”, which handles the thing.
[12:03] <ion_> That feature is not required for simple delegation, btw.
[13:47] <keesj> works now:P
[13:47] <keesj> I rulez!
[13:51] <ion_> :-)
[14:16] <Esmil> I'm getting this error when booting with upstart's init:
[14:16] <Esmil> init: Failed to spawn rsS main process: unable to set oom adjustment: No such file or directory
[14:16] <Esmil> init: Unable to set root directory: No such file or directory
[14:17] <Esmil> Do I need another script to mount / before running init or what happens?
[14:24] <Keybuk> Esmil: it's a bug
[14:24] <Keybuk> you need /proc mounted before init runs
[14:24] <Keybuk> e.g. by initramfs
[14:25] <Esmil> Keybuk: Ahh ok. Thanks
[15:00] <keesj> yes , what I did is renamed init to upstart and in /sbin/init mount /proc ... exec upstart
[15:18] <Esmil> keesj: Yes, I just tried something similar. Thanks anyway
[15:20] <Esmil> + and it works
[15:20] <Esmil> Now I just need to figure out how to get past the rcS script. start on stopped rcS doesn't seem to work anymore
[16:26] <Esmil> Hmm.. how come initctl status writes - and _ as '_2d' or something similar?
[16:27] <ion_> Just normal character escaping.
[16:27] <Esmil> Ok
[16:28] <Esmil> Is there something written on how to write jobs? Something like start on runlevel 2 doesn't seem to work anymore
[16:31] <Esmil> Also I don't see the init daemon connected to my system dbus. I thought upstart was supposed to do that
[16:39] <Esmil> Ahh sorry. Found the bug report
[19:18] <keesj> Esmil: just normal dbus/upstart problem


[08:47] <CarstenG> Hi Hannie
[08:48] <hannie> hey CarstenG
[08:49] <CarstenG> A question to the Ubuntu Open Week. What does "On Air" mean for the session tomorrow?
[08:49] <hannie> I am currently preparing the Open Week session "Translations team"
[08:49] <hannie> which will be held this afternoon
[08:50] <CarstenG> Yes, I try to join in. :-)
[08:53] <hannie> also: #ubuntu-classroom-chat where people can ask questions during the session
[08:54] <hannie> I see you in both now ;)
[08:54] <hannie> Are you going to join the Session Ask Mark!?
[08:54] <CarstenG> Yeah :-)
[08:55] <CarstenG> It starts in one hour, right?
[08:55] <hannie> yes
[08:55] <CarstenG> Yes, I think I stay there.
[08:56] <hannie> right. See you there


[11:13]  * Elbrus is working on bug 914746 and thinks it is regression from bug 906773
[11:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 914746 in cacti "cacti SNMP verbose query PHP error" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/914746
[11:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 906773 in cacti "CVE-2011-4824 SQL injection issue in auth_login.php" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/906773
[11:14] <Elbrus> did I register this correctly in the later bug?
[11:15]  * Elbrus is creating a debdiff now, and will test this in his test environment, both before and after the very small fix