[12:38] <ardchoille> LjL: the --auto-remove option was added to apt-get in Edgy
[12:38] <ardchoille> LjL: "remove --auto-remove" removes the package and all its deps
[12:39] <LjL> ardchoille: so was the autoremove command
[12:39] <ardchoille> LjL: yes, but --auto-remove is now an option
[12:39] <LjL> ardchoille: only *its* deps, or also every other deps that's marked as no longer needed?
[12:39] <LjL> autoremove still exists too though
[12:39] <ardchoille> LjL: only its deps, you will need autoremove for other deps no longer needed (at least I think that's how it works)
[12:39] <LjL> reading the man page, it sounds more like "apt-get --auto-remove remove <package>" behaves just like "apt-get autoremove <package>"
[12:40] <LjL> hm pity i'm in the middle of a dist-upgrade and can't play with it now
[12:41] <ardchoille> LjL: I'm not sure, really. I have never used autoremove by itself.. I've only used apt-get remove --auto-remove and I know it removes the package and it s deps
[12:41] <linux_>
[12:42] <LjL> ardchoille: well but if you use it as a rule, then you aren't likely to notice if it removes *other* stuff too, since you don't have any =)
[12:42] <LjL> !ru
[12:42] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:42] <ScorpKing> nite everyone!
[12:42] <ardchoille> linux_: Hello :)
[12:42] <eryt> za4em
[12:42] <eryt> ??
[12:42] <ardchoille> LjL: Good point
[12:42] <LjL> anyway, "sudo apt-get autoremove [<package>] " certainly does remove everything, so for imachine's need, --auto-remove certainly won't hurt
[12:43] <eryt> :))
[12:43] <imachine> hehe
[12:43] <imachine> the best way was aptitude
[12:43] <imachine> getting into kde
[12:43] <imachine> and just pressing '-'
[12:43] <imachine> ;)
[12:43] <LjL> imachine: yeah, i guess i'd trust aptitude more with autoremoval, when we're talking about the entire kubuntu-desktop thingie
[12:44] <imachine> well
[12:44] <ardchoille> aptitude is cool, but it's still just a front-end for APT.. like apt-get, synaptic, adept, etc
[12:44] <imachine> we'll see how well it goes ;)
[12:44] <imachine> yes
[12:44] <LjL> ardchoille: that's not true
[12:44] <imachine> so it should be doable with apt
[12:44] <imachine> BUT
[12:44] <imachine> I'm not a ubuntu user... by day
[12:44] <LjL> ardchoille: it has had its *own* unused-dependency-tracking for a long time
[12:44] <imachine> I just install this because I recieved a laptop to service with a broken win install
[12:44] <imachine> which I couldn't fix
[12:45] <LjL> and while i think it's been claimed that, since apt-get also got that feature in ubuntu, the databases get "synchronized", the logic is still aptitude's own
[12:45] <ardchoille> LjL: True, which is why I filed that bug about apt-get that lead the devs to add "--auto-remove"
[12:45] <imachine> so to compensate, I installed linux for this dude and backed his data up
[12:45] <imachine> :)
[12:46] <imachine> I use archlinux personally
[12:46] <imachine> ;)
[12:46] <LjL> ardchoille: you mean the autoremoval feature in general or the specific -- option?
[12:47] <ardchoille> LjL: That option for apt-get
[12:47] <LjL> ardchoille: yeah but i mean, i'm pretty sure the autoremove command came first, then after a while it got documented in the 'man', and --auto-remove came at some time after either the first or the second event
[12:48] <ardchoille> Well, it wasn't just me, several people filed the same type of bug report and the devs listened.. which is one reason I love this distro.
[12:48] <ardchoille> LjL: there was no --auto-remove type of feature in Dapper afaik
[12:48] <LjL> ardchoille: no, i know, it was all added in edgy
[12:49] <ardchoille> yeah
[12:49] <LjL> ardchoille: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/105144
[12:49] <LjL> looking at this it would seem that
[12:49] <VMUbuntu> hello
[12:49] <LjL> 1) the autoremove features were added, *both* "autoremove" command and "--auto-remove" option
[12:49] <LjL> 2) *then* "autoremove" got documented, but not "--auto-remove"
[12:49] <LjL> 3) then apparently now --auto-remove is documented too
[12:50] <ardchoille> LjL: They were both added in Edgy? or beofre that?
[12:50] <LjL> ardchoille: edgy, edgy
[12:50] <ardchoille> Yeah
[12:51] <LjL> but i know for a fact that, when "autoremove" was added (never knew about --auto-remove), it wasn't documented; and that later there was a bug report about the lack of documentation for it
[12:51] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[12:51] <LjL> and when that bug was fixed, i'm not *sure*, but i'm pretty confident that only "autoremove" got documented, but not "--auto-remove"
[12:52] <ardchoille> I think you're right about that
[12:52] <gary> who moderates this channel?
[12:52] <ardchoille> the secret ops
[12:52] <ardchoille> :)
[12:52] <gary> heh
[12:53] <ardchoille> You won't know until you screw up
[12:53] <gary> ah guess it's good that i don't know then
[12:53] <ardchoille> Keeps us on our toes
[12:54] <LjL> gary: if you need to know because you have complains or something, though, they can be reached, there's a web page somewhere
[12:54] <vbgunz> anyone here know how to stop that pesky KDE daemon dialog from showing on OTHER accounts?
[12:54] <gary> nah just curious
[12:55] <vbgunz> when you insert a memstick, a cd, dvd, a usb drive, the current account handles it. WHY does it show up on other accounts when switching uses when that media is LONG gone?
[12:55] <LjL> sure, i always join channels and immediately ask who the moderators are too, just to be sure ;)
[12:55] <gary> you bet lol
[12:58] <MacZtttlkwork> Hi
[12:58] <gary> hello
[12:59] <MacZtttlkwork> A little question: I want to create a partition in a free space portion of my hard disc. It's the same hard disc I'm using now with Kubuntu. Is it safe to create it with QTparted? Or should I use the liveCD?
[01:00] <LjL> as long as you're only touching space that's already unpartitioned, you should be safe even without the live cd
[01:01] <MacZtttlkwork> Thanks LjL
[01:02] <garfield> how do i see what is connected to my usb ports?
[01:02] <LjL> lsusb
[01:02] <garfield> ok
[01:05] <garfield> how do i spot kubuntu from having problems so i dont have to reinstall? :/
[01:06] <gary> >> /var/log is a good place to start
[01:09] <nighthawk> Hallo
[01:09] <gary> waves /hello
[01:10] <garfield> hi
[01:10] <nighthawk> Kann mir mal jemand sagen wie ich meine WINTV karte zum laufen Kriege und die auch konfigurieren kann unter KUBUNTU?
[01:10] <LjL> !de
[01:10] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:11] <gary> do i still need to install ntfs-3g in feisty?  it seems all my win partitions are already mounted and recognized
[01:11] <LjL> !tv
[01:11] <ubotu> http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[01:11] <nighthawk> THX
[01:11] <LjL> gary: read-only...
[01:11] <gary> ic
[01:14] <gary> k i have ntfs-3g installed from repos, but i see no place to run it
[01:15] <gary> it's not in my k menu or anything
[01:19] <Lunar_Lamp> !firefox
[01:19] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[01:20] <garfield> gary
[01:21] <BluesKaj> well, i upgraded the fglrx driver to the latest proprietary from ati . DRI  and fgl_glxgears works fine , but google earth still freezes at intialize ...there some thins about copy a libGL.so file into the google earth dir but that doesn't work for me . Wondering if anyone has solved this prob
[01:21] <garfield> gary: u had to install ntfs-config
[01:22] <garfield> BluesKaj: what website u use to instal fglrx the last time i install it i had to reinstall linux :(
[01:22] <gary> i installed it, but i don't see anywhere that i can access it to mount an ntfs partition
[01:22] <wesley_> nighthawk: Kdetv ?
[01:23] <garfield> gary: system>ntfs configtool
[01:23] <garfield> k-menu
[01:23] <gary> it's not in my k-menu
[01:23] <gary> probably a botched install hmm
[01:23] <garfield> gary: well u didnt install ntfs-config then
[01:24] <gary> i'll try a reinstall in adept manager
[01:24] <fkm> http://www.noooxml.org/petition
[01:24] <garfield> gary: u dont have adept allready?
[01:24] <gary> i have it yes
[01:24] <gary> i installed ntfs-3g using adeptmanager
[01:24] <BluesKaj> garfield, I used the ati download
[01:25] <garfield> gary: u didnt had to install ntfs-3g but ntfs-config
[01:25] <gary> k
[01:25] <gary> yep that's it
[01:25] <garfield> BluesKaj: ??? you dont have the link for it?(the website)
[01:25] <gary> thx bro
[01:26] <BluesKaj> actually it's good to have both ntfs-3g and ntfs-config ,gary
[01:26] <BluesKaj> garfield, www.ati.com
[01:26] <garfield> BluesKaj: when u install ntfs-config it comes with ntfs-3g
[01:27] <gary> garfield: for me it didn't
[01:27] <garfield> BluesKaj: oh u went on the website it self
[01:27] <BluesKaj> yup
[01:27] <dudeicles> how can you check to see how much space is left on your main HD?
[01:27] <gary> i just right click a folder and select properties
[01:28] <dudeicles> but that's just each folder
[01:28] <dudeicles> I want full HD size, amount avail
[01:28] <gary> file light
[01:28] <newsense07> df -h ?
[01:29] <garfield> dudeicles:  dude look good in propreties it's there
[01:29] <gary> thnk he wants graphical view
[01:29] <dudeicles> df -h works perfect
[01:29] <dudeicles> just right clicking on a folder shows you the space on that folder
[01:29] <dudeicles> I wanted space on full HD
[01:29] <newsense07> browse to / and right click
[01:29] <newsense07> select prop
[01:30] <dudeicles> in Konqueror?
[01:30] <gary> yeah
[01:30] <newsense07> yep
[01:30] <dudeicles> ok
[01:30] <newsense07> should show same as df -h
[01:31] <gary> if you want a nice birdseye view of hd space, check out filelight
[01:31] <dudeicles> wow sucks
[01:31] <dudeicles> I'm down to 1 gig left.
[01:31] <garfield> lol
[01:31] <dudeicles> LOL
[01:31] <garfield> backup time
[01:31] <newsense07> i got a 5gig hdd, how do ya think i feel ,lol
[01:31] <dudeicles> this is 12
[01:31] <oem> amarok do not work!!!
[01:31] <newsense07> only got a 550mhz psu
[01:32] <oem> on my comp
[01:32] <dudeicles> I just installed Virtualbox and WindowsXP on it
[01:32] <dudeicles> leaves me no more space.
[01:33] <newsense07> whats virtualbox, like vmware or wine or some emulator
[01:33] <Jucato_> !info virtualbox
[01:33] <ubotu> Package virtualbox does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:33] <Jucato_> bah it's only in gutys? heh
[01:34] <Jucato_> escription: PC virtualization solution VirtualBox is a free PC virtualization solution allowing you to run a wide range of PC operating systems on your Linux system. This includes Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, DOS, OpenBSD and others
[01:34] <dudeicles> yeah
[01:34] <dudeicles> live cmware
[01:34] <dudeicles> vmware
[01:34] <dudeicles> I believe it's better than Wine only because it actually has Windows on it
[01:34] <newsense07> never tried it
[01:34] <dudeicles> so you can run so much more software on it
[01:35] <Jucato_> er...
[01:35] <newsense07> i tried vmware before and ran osx on a 3.2g p3/ht and it ran like shit
[01:35] <newsense07> sorry
[01:35] <newsense07> excuse my language
[01:35] <dudeicles> really?
[01:35] <newsense07> yeah
[01:35] <Jucato_> it's like vmware. you install a whole OS
[01:35] <dudeicles> try Cirtualbox
[01:35] <dudeicles> dangit
[01:35] <dudeicles> you know what I mean
[01:35] <dudeicles> LOL
[01:35] <newsense07> i was bored at work one day, dont care to try it again
[01:36] <dudeicles> it's rated better in comparisons I read
[01:36] <newsense07> ill save up for a mac
[01:36] <dudeicles> lol
[01:36] <dudeicles> k
[01:36] <dudeicles> I don't think I could ever save up for that long
[01:36] <dudeicles> :P
[01:37] <ubunteado> holas
[01:37] <newsense07> they do got that 499.99usd macmini
[01:37] <newsense07> might get one of those
[01:37] <dudeicles> yeah maybe
[01:37] <newsense07> !cirtualizes
[01:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cirtualizes - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:37] <newsense07> lmao
[01:37] <dudeicles> lol
[01:38] <newsense07> got any bots to lookup dictionary ?
[01:39] <Jucato_> nope. the only bots allowed here are for official Kubuntu use
[01:39] <newsense07> Jucato_: sorry ill keep ontopic
[01:40] <Jucato_> newsense07: you can try typing "dict:word" in Konqueror
[01:40] <Jucato_> Alt+F2, dict:word does the same
[01:40] <newsense07> cool
[01:40] <garfield> Jucato_: how can i see the name of the driver linux is using for the sound
[01:40] <garfield> ?
[01:40] <Jucato_> know*
[01:41] <newsense07> lspci : grep audio ?
[01:41] <lavacano201014> garfield: probably in some settings dialog or config file somewhere
[01:41] <Jucato_> newsense07: that will only show the hardware he has
[01:41] <Jucato_> not the driver that the system uses
[01:41] <garfield> Tm_T: how can i see the name of the driver linux is using for the sound
[01:41] <newsense07> errerr meant lsmod | grep sound
[01:41] <Jucato_> perhaps lsmod, but I'm not familiar with it
[01:42] <newsense07> sorry
[01:42] <ardchoille> newsense07:  lsmod | grep sound  returns nothing here
[01:42] <lavacano201014> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa stop?
[01:42] <lavacano201014> no wait
[01:42] <newsense07> on my box it does
[01:42] <garfield> ???
[01:42] <newsense07> lsmod | less and go through the modules
[01:43] <Jucato_> "lsmod | grep snd" might give some ideas
[01:43] <ardchoille> newsense07: lsmod  grep snd  ?
[01:43] <ardchoille> Jucato_: :)
[01:43] <newsense07> thats what i was going to suggest too
[01:44] <JoKiJo> I have 2 users set up... on one it lets me work as root, such as open adept manager. On the other (that I'm on now) when I enter the password for root it always come back saying incorrect. Any idea what is causing this?
[01:44] <ardchoille> s#grep#| grep#
[01:44] <newsense07> JoKiJo: have to add user to adm and admin groups
[01:44] <ardchoille> JoKiJo: Are both users in sudoers?
[01:44] <Jucato_> newsense07: just admin
[01:44] <garfield> JoKiJo: maybe it could be your keyboard layout
[01:45] <garfield> JoKiJo: insted of a you get q for example
[01:45] <Jucato_> nothing to do with keyboards :)
[01:45] <Jucato_> only the first user is a sudoer by default
[01:45] <Distro^Junkie> anyone here use stage 6 for viewing videos
[01:45] <Distro^Junkie> ?
[01:45] <Jucato_> all other users created after must be explicitly added to the sudoers group (admin)
[01:46] <newsense07> Jucato_: thanks for the correction, what is the adm grp for ?
[01:46] <JoKiJo> Hmmm, I dont really know how to check. I'm fairly new to linux/kubuntu
[01:46] <Jucato_> JoKiJo: System Settings -> User Management
[01:46] <Jucato_> !away > DarkHack
[01:46] <Jucato_> newsense07: not exactly sure. I forgot
[01:46] <JoKiJo> qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm - Keyboard layout seems okay.
[01:47] <ardchoille> Jucato_: What's the proper syntax for that? sudo adduser username admin   ?
[01:47] <Jucato_> JoKiJo: btw, there is no root password. it's the user's sudo password
[01:47] <JoKiJo> Ohhhh I see
[01:47] <Jucato_> ardchoille: most probably yes
[01:48] <LjL> yes it is
[01:48] <Jucato_> sudo gpasswd -a user group works too
[01:48] <JoKiJo> Got it Jucato. Thanks
[01:48] <Jucato_> there's a GUI for user management and mounting too
[01:48] <ardchoille> Jucato_: Yeah, just noticed that
[01:49] <ardchoille> The person who intriduced me to Linux made me use it for two weeks without xorg
[01:50] <JoKiJo> Sounds like a Linux bootcamp
[01:51] <ardchoille> She's a slackware lover
[01:53] <ardchoille> One thing I would like to see in the Ubuntu community are courses.
[01:55] <ardchoille> The wiki and the documentation are awesome, but I'd like to see something that goes much deeper than those. Like courses on individual apps like a tutorial of deep understanding of dpkg or APT
[01:55] <The_Miker> hmm, can anyone help me with getting my webcam to work in Feisty?
[01:56] <JoKiJo> That would be great ardchoille
[01:56] <ardchoille> Who would I contact about setting up something like http://tutorials.ubuntu.com  ?
[01:58] <juan> can you store a password in crypttab
[01:58] <draik> How do I find the mount points for my CD and DVD drives?
[01:58] <ardchoille> draik: cat /etc/fstab  ?
[01:59] <BluesKaj> i just installed the latest experimental HD AMD/ATI driver 8.41.7, and it rocks on this elcheapo ATIX200G graphics card. frame rates are 50% higher using the fgl_glxgears test
[02:00] <The_Miker> ha, i wish i could get that driver to work on my card
[02:00] <sharp0bjectz> hey people
[02:00] <The_Miker> i'm stuck with 8.40.4
[02:00] <sharp0bjectz> hows everyone doin?
[02:00] <sharp0bjectz> can somebody help me figure out how to get my JRE working in kubuntu 7.04?
[02:00] <BluesKaj> The_Miker
[02:00] <BluesKaj> :(
[02:01] <The_Miker> i know, it's horrible.
[02:01] <The_Miker> i'm hoping the 8.42 drivers work
[02:01] <JoKiJo> I haven't got around to fiddling with this WINE program yet. Does it work pretty well?
[02:01] <ardchoille> !jre | sharp0bjectz
[02:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:01] <The_Miker> but hoping that ATI puts out good drivers is just...eh, a dumb idea.
[02:01] <ardchoille> !java | sharp0bjectz
[02:01] <ubotu> sharp0bjectz: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[02:02] <draik> ardchoille: Thank you.
[02:02] <draik> For some strange reason, it's claiming that the /dev/sd1 is not what I have chosen
[02:02] <draik> It's stating /dev/hdb
[02:03] <BluesKaj> The_ Miker, try uninstalling your 8.40.4 and then just go for the 8.41.7 even if your card isn't the same as the one listed it's the HD 2900 that you want
[02:03] <The_Miker> oh i did
[02:03] <The_Miker> i couldn't X to start unless i removed glesx.so
[02:03] <The_Miker> which crippled 3D
[02:03] <BluesKaj> bummer
[02:03] <pillowpants> how can i do an ip trace?
[02:03] <pillowpants> to see what domain im on
[02:03] <xanathos> Kite_DH: .....
[02:03] <xanathos> I want to install nvidia-glx-legacy but there are 3 lines missing in my xorg.conf, can somebody help me?
[02:04] <sharp0bjectz> Ubotu, i am on kubuntu 7.04
[02:04] <BluesKaj> install neotrace pro in wine or xtraceroute
[02:04] <sharp0bjectz> is it ok to use adept with 7.04?
[02:04] <pillowpants> xanathos : dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:04] <pillowpants> sharp0bjectz : nothing wrong with it
[02:04] <draik> Is there a way to remove entries from fstab?
[02:04] <ardchoille> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:04] <BluesKaj> xanathos,post it on pastebin
[02:04] <ardchoille> And you need sudo with it
[02:05] <ardchoille> xanathos: How are you installing the drivers?
[02:05] <xanathos> ardchoille: nvidia-legacy
[02:05] <ardchoille> !nvidia | xanathos
[02:05] <xanathos> Sysinfo for 'xanathos': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMDAthlonXP1600+ at 1394 MHz (2789 bogomips), , RAM: 495/503MB, 123 proc's, 6.18h up
[02:05] <ubotu> xanathos: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:06] <draik> !fstab
[02:06] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[02:06] <The_Miker> so, can anyone help me get this quickcam express working?
[02:06] <ardchoille> !webcam
[02:06] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[02:07] <blackneo> hi all
[02:07] <ardchoille> !hi
[02:07] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[02:07] <blackneo> :D
[02:07] <blackneo> this is my first time here
[02:08] <The_Miker> right, i did what it says, used quickcam.sh and all, but it says it can't find any webcams, after listing the cam only a few lines above o_O
[02:08] <The_Miker> i've been trying to get this to work for ages
[02:09] <blackneo> whats wrong Miker?
[02:10] <The_Miker> can't get my computer to recognize my webcam
[02:10] <ardchoille> blackneo: Know anything about getting a quickcam working?
[02:10] <dudeicles> man this is killing me. how can I burn a DVD with K3B It just keeps ending on me
[02:10] <sharp0bjectz> i have a quickcam zoom and cant get it working either
[02:10] <sharp0bjectz> ...?
[02:11] <dudeicles> If I paste the debug window could someone help me?
[02:11] <BluesKaj> dudeicles, a commercial dvd ?
[02:11] <dudeicles> COMPUSA dvd
[02:11] <dudeicles> lol
[02:11] <blackneo> kubuntu feisty?
[02:11] <The_Miker> the odd thing is, there's 3 different entries for "quickcam express" on that list
[02:11] <The_Miker> yeah
[02:11] <The_Miker> some people say it should just be supported by default, which it isn't
[02:11] <dudeicles> kubuntu feisty here
[02:12] <blackneo> paste me lsusb output
[02:12] <sharp0bjectz> kubuntu 7.04?
[02:12] <sharp0bjectz> lol is wut i got
[02:12] <dudeicles> lol
[02:13] <blackneo> im reading about that
[02:13] <The_Miker> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 046d:0870 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express
[02:13] <blackneo> it seems that you need to recompile your kernel
[02:13] <BluesKaj> dudeicles, it's prolly copyrighted, if you have libdvdcss2 installed that will defeat any copyright issues
[02:13] <dudeicles> oh no BluesKaj I misunderestood you
[02:13] <dudeicles> i'm burning simple data onto a DVD
[02:13] <blackneo> try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=239516
[02:14] <dudeicles> from my HD
[02:14] <blackneo> its for dapper but it should work
[02:15] <blackneo> maybe the drivers are restricted
[02:16] <sharp0bjectz> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 046d:08b4 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Zoom
[02:17] <draik> How do I get the UUID for a drive?
[02:17] <The_Miker> bleh, i get compilation errors on that driver
[02:18] <ardchoille> draik: If this is for a cd or dvd drive, I have just used /dev/* and it works in fstab
[02:18] <draik> For both?
[02:18] <ardchoille> yes
[02:18] <ardchoille> But I am using IDE hw, not sata
[02:18] <blackneo> wich errors?
[02:19] <draik> ardchoille: I have a DVD reader in IDE Master and DVD DL on IDE Slave.
[02:19] <draik> The HDD is SATA
[02:19] <blackneo> do you have build-essentials; kernel-headers;etc...?
[02:19] <The_Miker> yeah, that's what puzzles me
[02:19] <blackneo> lol
[02:19] <blackneo> :)
[02:19] <ardchoille> draik: The dvd's would be /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd which is what I have too
[02:19] <The_Miker> i have those packages but it's telling me it can't find linux/config.h
[02:20] <blackneo> pastme the complete log
[02:20] <draik> ardchoille: Even if there isn't another IDE drive?
[02:20] <The_Miker> where, in a query?
[02:20] <blackneo> okay
[02:21] <ardchoille> draik: Ok, would that be IDE channel 1 or 2 ?
[02:21] <blackneo> ups
[02:21] <blackneo> im not registered
[02:21] <blackneo> lol
[02:21] <ardchoille> draik: Here is my partial fstab: http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/39688
[02:21] <draik> Should be 1
[02:22] <ardchoille> draik: I would think IDE channel 1 would be /dev/hda (master) and /dev/hdb (slave)
[02:22] <The_Miker> oops
[02:22] <draik> I have tried both
[02:22] <The_Miker> :\
[02:23] <draik> I keep getting /dev/hda hdb hdc hdd do not exist
[02:23] <acee1234> im trying to use audacity to edit some audio but i get an error whenever i try to playback something reading "Error while opening sound device. Please check the output device settings and the project sample rate."
[02:23] <draik> I even tried scd 0 and scd1
[02:25] <draik> ardchoille: What if I remove all the entries for the cd/dvd drives from fstab. What would happen?
[02:25] <ardchoille> draik: Not sure if it would re-write them or not. Can you pastebin your fstab?
[02:25] <draik> NO
[02:26] <draik> Sorry, got caps lock on
[02:26] <draik> No, I can't. I'm KVM into this other machine
[02:26] <ardchoille> ok
[02:27] <ardchoille> draik: I would think IDE channel 1 devices would be /dev/hda and /dev/hdb respectively
[02:27] <draik> As would I
[02:27] <ardchoille> !uuid
[02:27] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  sudo blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[02:27] <ardchoille> draik: sudo blkid
[02:28] <draik> ardchoille: There is only one IDE. The other is for the floppy
[02:28] <draik> Ok. One sec
[02:28] <ardchoille> draik: btw, that command wasn't much help here
[02:28] <draik> Not shown. Only see the Kubuntu and SWAP partitions
[02:28] <ardchoille> Yeah, same
[02:29] <draik> Ok
[02:29] <ardchoille> draik: Try that url ubotu posted
[02:30] <blackneo> back again!
[02:30] <The_Miker> wb
[02:31] <The_Miker> i should also note that xawtv makes my system crash to a black screen and i can't even restart X :S
[02:31] <draik> ardchoille: The strange thing is that I was able to burn to the DVD just prior to trying to read a DVD from the same drive
[02:32] <ardchoille> draik: I wonder if you can just create an iso (mkisofs) from the desired files and then d&d that iso into k3b
[02:33] <ardchoille> I seem to remember doing that when k3b didn't wanna do its job
[02:33] <draik> It's not k3b
[02:33] <draik> It won't read a DVD that is inserted
[02:34] <draik> I didn't get the options when I inserted the DVD and the drive was not mounted
[02:34] <ardchoille> Right, because your drives are mucked
[02:34] <winbond> is it true that most apps dont work in kde4?
[02:34] <ardchoille> It's hard to learn how to fix problems when you have a distro which doesn't give you any problems :)
[02:34] <Biovore> kde4 bearly works
[02:34] <jhutchins> draik: If the disk is bad, it won't show up as a drive/
[02:35] <jhutchins> draik: You can look at dmesg and/or /var/log/messages right after you load a disk, but you can also listen to what the drive does.
[02:35] <winbond> ardchoille, i know u are not talking about ubuntu
[02:36] <jhutchins> draik: It's also possible for the read subsystem to fail independently of the write system; also for the CD subsystem to fail seperately from the DVD system.
[02:36] <dudeicles> what's the file on your HD that has the mount information?
[02:37] <ardchoille> winbond: I have installed ubuntu on over 100 machines and the only problem I have ever seen is how to change the kmenu icon
[02:37] <jhutchins> dudeicles: mtab, but you may be thinking of fstab.
[02:37] <dudeicles> yeah I think you are right
[02:37] <dudeicles> jhutchins: fstab sounds right
[02:37] <dudeicles> where cna I find that jhutchins?
[02:37] <jhutchins> dudeicles: in /etc/
[02:37] <Jucato>  /etc/fstab
[02:38] <jhutchins> dudeicles: You will need sudo or kdesu if you want to change it
[02:38] <dudeicles> I want to copy it
[02:38] <ardchoille> winbond: Of course, I build my own machines instead of buying them off the shelf
[02:38] <dudeicles> i'm going to install Ubuntu on anotehr of my HD's and need that file.
[02:38] <dudeicles> thanks guys
[02:38] <dudeicles> bye
[02:39] <jhutchins> ardchoille: The problem is that if you haven't had any problems, you haven't learned how to fix them.
[02:39] <ardchoille> jhutchins: exactly
[02:40] <jhutchins> One of the handy things about IRC, you can learn from other people's mistakes <grin>
[02:40] <hydrogen> you're kidding.. right ardchoille?
[02:40] <ardchoille> True.. which is where I learned a lot of stuff
[02:40] <ardchoille> hydrogen: No
[02:40] <AndreMilton> hi everybody
[02:40] <hydrogen>  /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/64x64/apps/kmenu.png
[02:40] <hydrogen> in about 2 seconds worth of `find`
[02:41] <hydrogen> replace crystalsvg with whatever icon theme you use
[02:41] <ardchoille> hydrogen: When you build your own computers, you can pick and choose which hardware goes into them.. and I choose hardware that I know works with the *buntu's
[02:41] <ardchoille> hydrogen: Yeah, figured that out a while back
[02:42] <AndreMilton> i don't succeed too make a video capture of my screen with vlc , vlc ask me the device capture name with by default /dev/video but i don't have any folder or file like video in my dev folder
[02:42] <Jucato> hm..
[02:42] <Jucato> !kmenu
[02:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmenu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:42] <Kr4t05> Guh... I wish I could come to a decent decision in regards to this laptop.
[02:42] <Jucato> hmph
[02:44] <ardchoille> !tastymenu
[02:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tastymenu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:44] <hydrogen> !menu
[02:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about menu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:44] <ardchoille> Jucato: Make one :)
[02:44] <Biovore> yeah.. tastymenu isn't in the repos..
[02:44] <Biovore> have to build it your self
[02:44] <ardchoille> Biovore: There is a kubuntu deb on kde-apps.org
[02:45] <Biovore> rgr
[02:45] <Jucato> but  not for the latest rc
[02:45] <Biovore> but its not in the repos..
[02:45] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yes, it's for the latest.. it's been updated
[02:45] <Jucato> ah good
[02:45] <Jucato> probably heheh
[02:45] <ardchoille> :)
[02:46] <ardchoille> Some distros have replaced their kmenu with tastymenu. I wish kubuntu would do the same
[02:46] <Jucato> some?
[02:46] <ardchoille> yes
[02:46] <_2> i have a broken apt.    if i do apt-get install -f    it wants to remove all packages.   and dpkg --configure -a   simply returns to the prompt.
[02:47] <jhutchins> ardchoille: When you're looking for a package and are pretty sure it's there, use !info, if you're looking for a file or aren't as sure use !find. !<package> only works if the package is a special keyword.
[02:47] <Jucato> cd
[02:47] <Jucato> oops wrong window
[02:47] <draik> jhutchins: Sorry, I was on the other computer.
[02:47] <_2> Jucato using the irc client for a shell again ?
[02:47] <draik> Jucato: Isn't the command /j ?
[02:47] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, ok, thanks
[02:48] <Jucato> _2: heh yeah
[02:48] <draik> jhutchins: It's a new DVD DL burner drive.
[02:48] <_2> :)
[02:48] <Jucato> ardchoille: thanks for? I think you mean jhutchins
[02:48] <draik> I see it when I go through the System Settings, but I need to setup the drive to mount
[02:48] <jhutchins> draik: If it's broken, it doesn't really matter, just pointing out that you should consider testing all the modes before you give up on it.
[02:49] <draik> The DVD I just burned plays on my computer
[02:49] <jhutchins> draik: You might actually need to reboot.
[02:49] <draik> Ok
[02:49] <draik> I will try that...
[02:49] <_2> Q have the hoary repos been purged or can a fellow still apt get from them ?
[02:49] <draik> Ok. It's restarting
[02:49] <garfield> how do i get to window ch?
[02:50] <_2> garfield /join ##windows
[02:50] <ardchoille> Jucato: Linux Mint 2.2 is one of the distros which has tastymenu in place of kmenu and I know there are others
[02:50] <ardchoille> Ah, yes. jhutchins, thanks for that info
[02:50] <hydrogen> so you mean fringe distro's?
[02:50] <hydrogen> that make changes just to be different/
[02:50] <Jucato> ardchoille: sure you didn't mistake kickoff for tasty?
[02:51] <ardchoille> hydrogen: Well, wasn't Linux itself in that boat at one time?
[02:51] <_2> still is
[02:51] <Jucato> huh?
[02:51] <ardchoille> Jucato: According to Distrowatch, it's tastymenu
[02:51] <hydrogen> wow
[02:51] <hydrogen> tastymenu is horrible
[02:51] <hydrogen> and ugly
[02:51] <hydrogen> and better not ever replace kmenu
[02:51] <ardchoille> lol
[02:52] <hydrogen> http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=41866&file1=41866-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Tasty+Menu&PHPSESSID=6050c969e3d9cb6dc6ed66e17d11398e
[02:52] <hydrogen> enough said
[02:52] <ardchoille> Can't please everyone all the time
[02:52] <_2> hydrogen from what you say, it's sure to in about one release of kde....
[02:52] <Jucato> hydrogen: all 3 alternative menus have strengths and weaknesses
[02:52] <Jucato> I just hope someone makes one that has all the strengths only :P
[02:52] <hydrogen> Jucato: and tastymenu seems to have a corner on the weaknesses
[02:52] <savetheWorld> Just FYI- Linux was never in the position of making changes just to be different and has never had to be.
[02:52] <Dragnslcr> Wow
[02:52] <Jucato> hydrogen: not really
[02:53] <_2> Jucato wouldn't that be a console
[02:53] <_2> :)
[02:53] <hydrogen> personally the only thing I use kmenu for is to log off/shut down
[02:53] <Dragnslcr> I guess tastymenu would be perfect for someone that needs a full-screen menu
[02:53] <Jucato> lol
[02:53] <hydrogen> and if I could figure out what command they run I wouldn't even do that
[02:53] <Jucato> hydrogen: let me remove that last use case for you and just put the logout applet :)
[02:53] <Jucato> then you can remove the kmenu haha
[02:53] <TheWoozle> Anyone know what might cause a laptop which had been running just fine for several weeks to suddenly be unable to get past the splash-screen-and-progress-bar stage in Kubuntu 7.04?
[02:53] <Unununium> Hello, helping my brother set up 32-bit Firefox on his AMD64 laptop, so I'm reading FirefoxAMD64FlashJava.  But the "MPlayer plugins" link is bad.  Any advice?
[02:53] <ardchoille> Dragnslcr: Well, you can specify how big or small tastymenu is
[02:53] <Jucato> hydrogen: or why bother.. right-click on the desktop :)
[02:54] <hydrogen> Jucato: then I have to get to the desktop :/
[02:54] <hydrogen> i'd rather know the actual command
[02:54] <hydrogen> alt-f2 ->klogout would be very nice
[02:54] <TheWoozle> I tried running startkde from the command line, but I get the message " unable to open display '' " and "Can't contact kdeinit!" but that may just mean I shouldn't be trying to start kde from the text terminal interface.
[02:54] <Jucato> hydrogen: Alt+F1 is equally nice :)
[02:54] <hydrogen> but involves the mouse
[02:55] <TheWoozle> (I'm searching the forums now.)
[02:55] <ardchoille> hydrogen: Make a launcher with:  dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 0 0
[02:55] <hydrogen> ah
[02:55] <hydrogen> does that show the dialog?/
[02:55] <hydrogen> or does that just logout?
[02:55] <ardchoille> yes
[02:55] <Jucato> a launcher would still involve the mouse :)
[02:55] <ardchoille> dialog shows
[02:55] <hydrogen> i could make a bash script
[02:55] <hydrogen> that called that in my path
[02:56] <ardchoille> And then make a kb shortcut for it
[02:56] <Jucato> hm.. that reminds me.. KDE and $PATH
[02:56] <_2> now there's a mouth full    "KDE and $PATH"
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> Hm, where does the System Menu applet store its items? Mine seems to have been mysteriously emptied
[02:57] <ardchoille> dcop ksmserver ksmserver lock 0 0 0  <doesn't work, tho
[02:57] <ardchoille> :(
[02:58] <ardchoille> Dragnslcr: ~/.config/menus  and  ~/.local/share/applications  ?
[02:59] <hydrogen> ardchoille: you are fired!
[02:59] <Jucato> System Menu? the one beside the K Menu
[02:59] <ardchoille> hydrogen: If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that...
[02:59] <lavacano201014> TheWoozle: try katapult
[02:59] <TheWoozle> Ok, thanks...
[02:59] <lavacano201014> yup
[02:59] <TheWoozle> lavacano201014: "katapult: cannot connect to X server"
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> Jucato- yeah, that one. I kinda miss the quick shortcut to my home directory
[03:00] <lavacano201014> sudo telinit 5
[03:00] <ardchoille> ok, how about:  system:/  ?
[03:00] <draik> ardchoille: I can't mount the drive with either hda, hdb, hdc, hdd, scd0, scd1
[03:00] <ardchoille> draik: Thank you
[03:00] <hydrogen> ardchoille: that definatly didnt show a dialog :)
[03:00] <ardchoille> draik: Is the hw bad? or going bad?
[03:00] <TheWoozle> Well this is odd... /proc/meminfo claims I have 256248 kb of RAM, but I'm pretty sure this beast only has 192 MB...
[03:00] <draik> Nope
[03:01] <ardchoille> hydrogen: Shows one here
[03:01] <draik> I just bought the DVD DL burner
[03:01] <adrian_> ?
[03:01] <lavacano201014> TheWoozle: divide 256248 by 1024
[03:01] <_2> draik odd....  a fuel truck carries fuel,  a water truck carries water,  why does a fire truck not cary fire ?
[03:01] <ardchoille> hahaha
[03:02] <lavacano201014> lol
[03:02] <draik> Because it would be a flame truck
[03:02] <TheWoozle> lavacano201014: 250
[03:02] <elecninja> Fight fire with fire.
[03:02] <_2> oh that's just silly.   who ever heard of a flame truck
[03:02] <adrian_> any one know how to install kb3?
[03:02] <lavacano201014> hmmm
[03:02] <TheWoozle> Which makes even less sense, but I wasn't expecting it to...
[03:02] <lavacano201014> you are probably mistaken then
[03:03] <lavacano201014> it must have 250 MB ram
[03:03] <elecninja> Flame truck might be like a flamethrower on a truck
[03:03] <TheWoozle> I'm gonna see if this beast will boot with a liveCD.
[03:03] <ardchoille> adrian_: sudo apt-get install k3b  ?
[03:03] <naknomik> I am trying to play VCD and Kaffein keeps crashing
[03:03] <draik> adrian_: Sure. Let us know what kb3 is first and then we'll help you out with that.
[03:03] <adrian_> :D
[03:04] <[ifr0g] > naknomik, did you try mplayer ?
[03:04] <The_Miker> i must have bad luck :(
[03:04] <Jucato> naknomik: yeah big bug in feisty I think
[03:04] <elecninja> Or VLC if you're desperate enough. So I've heard
[03:04] <Jucato> naknomik: try kmplayer (with mplayer) or vlc
[03:05] <adrian_> draik: its a burning tool
[03:05] <_2> Jucato do you happen to know of any mirror that still has the hoary debs ?
[03:05] <Jucato> _2: nope. if you do find one please tell me too
[03:05] <_2> i'm not finding one.
[03:05] <Jucato> someone from our LoCo is looking for one
[03:05] <Jucato> I don't think there would be any
[03:05] <lavacano201014> i think theyve gone LoCo
[03:05] <Jucato> heh
[03:05] <ardchoille> It's no longer supported so it's gone, no?
[03:05] <_2> well that just stinketh.
[03:06] <Jucato> there might be 3rd-party repos/mirrors.... but I doubt
[03:06] <lavacano201014> hey amy
[03:06] <draik> adrian_: k3b is a burning tool, I don't know about kb3
[03:07] <elecninja> It's a simple typo, don't bug him about it.
[03:07] <_2> draik that's cause you are not lisdexic
[03:07] <Jucato> don't you nmean lysdexic?
[03:07] <_2> oh yeah
[03:07] <_2> you know i can't spell that
[03:08] <Jucato> reali?
[03:08] <ardchoille> lol
[03:08] <draik> 3kb?
[03:08] <adrian_> sorry, k3b :D
[03:08] <ardchoille> Use a spehlchekkur
[03:08] <_2> ardchoille why jucato works just fine for that   :)
[03:08] <ardchoille> hahaha
[03:09] <Jucato> me is webstir
[03:09] <ardchoille> This channel is cool :)
[03:09] <_2> aint it tho
[03:09] <_2> :)
[03:09] <lavacano201014> and Chuck Norris is Death.
[03:10] <[ifr0g] > Any one here use any kind of ids ?
[03:11] <ardchoille> !snort
[03:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snort - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:11] <ardchoille> !info snort
[03:11] <ubotu> snort: Flexible Network Intrusion Detection System. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.3-9 (feisty), package size 341 kB, installed size 824 kB
[03:11] <_2> so basicly the only way to fix apt on that hoary box is to  a) upgrade to dapper   b) let apt-get install -f remove all packages....   niether of which are acceptable to me.
[03:11] <[ifr0g] > How about ossec :)
[03:12] <adrian_> draik: its k3b
[03:12] <ardchoille> _2: Why do you want to keep a distro which is no longer getting security updates?
[03:12] <draik> I know :)
[03:12] <_2> ardchoille cause it will fit on the 2g hd in that 486...
[03:12] <_2> ardchoille it's not like it's going to be online anway.
[03:13] <_2> anyway   y y y
[03:13] <ardchoille> _2: Install Feisty server install and then install a window manager?
[03:13] <ardchoille> That would cut a lot of size down
[03:13] <_2> so it will have to be updated ???
[03:13] <_2> nah.
[03:13] <_2> easier to remove apt and be done with a broken apt...
[03:14] <[ifr0g] > lol
[03:14] <_2> dpkg still works ok.
[03:15] <adrian_> its almost the first time i use ubuntu and i need something to burn music but i cant install k3b
[03:15] <adrian_> HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:15] <_2> and just remember you are not dealing with normal logic your are dealing with intelikeyism
[03:15] <NickPresta> adrian_, relax.
[03:15] <ardchoille> adrian_: What's up?
[03:16] <adrian_> :D
[03:16] <ElecNinja> You can install Kubuntu
[03:16] <_2> adrian_ someone answered you when you first asked
[03:16] <ElecNinja> K3b comes with it.
[03:16] <ardchoille> adrian_: Why can't you install k3b?
[03:16] <NickPresta> adrian_, are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu? If it's the former, gnomebaker should already be installed. If you are indeed on Kubuntu, k3b should be installed already too
[03:16] <_2> sudo apt-get isntall k3b
[03:16] <adrian_> ?
[03:16] <_2> sudo apt-get isntall k3b
[03:16] <ardchoille> fail
[03:16] <ElecNinja> Maybe he doesn't know about the console?
[03:16] <adrian_> is ubuntu
[03:16] <[ifr0g] > sudo apt-get install k3b
[03:16] <_2> sudo apt-get isntall k3b
[03:17] <ardchoille> adrian_: You should have gnomebaker
[03:17] <adrian_> what is that?
[03:17] <NickPresta> adrian_, for reference, the ubuntu channel is #ubuntu. You should have gnomebaker
[03:17] <ardchoille> !info gnombaker
[03:17] <ubotu> Package gnombaker does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:17] <_2> !burners
[03:17] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[03:17] <adrian_> :S
[03:17] <draik> ardchoille: What do you think would happen if I were to clear out fstab?
[03:17] <ardchoille> draik: The system won't be able to find any drives?
[03:18] <ardchoille> draik: Is there gona be a test later?
[03:18] <_2> adrian  the answer to your question,  just incase noone answered you yet, is;   sudo apt-get isntall k3b
[03:18] <adrian_> :D
[03:18] <adrian_> ok
[03:18] <_2> :)
[03:18] <draik> ardchoille: If you wish. I have to find a way to recreate what is in there
[03:18] <ElecNinja> I'm curious as to why OSS doesn't seem to work for the most part. Any particular reason?
[03:19] <_2> draik you don't need an fstab for linux to work.
[03:19] <ardchoille> draik: I have the original fstab which was installed on my box, would that help?
[03:19] <ardchoille> Probably not
[03:19] <draik> ...............
[03:20] <ardchoille> ElecNinja: You wanna rephrase that so that it has some semblance of fact?
[03:20] <_2> use the mount  command and see what is mounted and where then write an fstab
[03:20] <ardchoille> _2: his drives aren't mounted
[03:21] <_2> his root fs is.  and that's all he needs to start.   then use   cat /proc/partitions   and look up what you have   then decide where you want it mounted.
[03:21] <NickPresta> ElecNinja, the Open Source Software ideology, or Open Sound System? ;)
[03:22] <ElecNinja> Sound, sorry for that. So far, it seems that I can't do much with the Open Sound System. Or maybe it's my comp
[03:22] <NickPresta> ElecNinja, well, what are you trying to do?
[03:23] <ardchoille> ElecNinja: Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding
[03:23] <_2> run this.   for Q in /dev/hd* /dev/scd* ;do eject $Q && echo " that one is $Q" ;done      to find the cd/dvd drives.
[03:23] <ElecNinja> My fault, I was trying to play mp3 with Amarok before, though trying to edit xine didn't seem to work.
[03:24] <draik> ardchoille: k3b calls them /dev/scd0 and /dev/scd1
[03:24] <Jucato> ardchoille: you're right. linux mint does use tasty. perhaps to balance with their GNOME's use of Slab :/
[03:24] <draik> ardchoille: Does that help?
[03:24] <ardchoille> draik: It seems that is using an scsi name model with ide drives :S
[03:25] <_2> does the version of *buntu you have use scsi emulation   or is that k3b specific draik ?
[03:25] <ardchoille> Jucato: I never liked slab
[03:25] <Jucato> it's GNOME. no wonder :)
[03:25] <ardchoille> hehe
[03:25] <draik> _2: It's Feisty Kubuntu
[03:26] <ardchoille> Jucato: I liked tasty menu.. more features than kmenu and you can specify the size tasty takes up on the screen.
[03:26] <_2> draik upgraded from edgy ?     edgy did use scsi emulation by default  iirc
[03:26] <Jucato> (much more than kickoff though)
[03:26] <draik> Fresh install
[03:26] <_2> k
[03:27] <Jucato> ardchoille: but configuring tasty is a bit clunky too... but so is kbfx in some areas. anyway...
[03:27] <ardchoille> Yeah
[03:27] <ardchoille> lol
[03:28] <ardchoille> I feel that, at the very least, tastymenu should be in the repos.
[03:28] <Jucato> ardchoille: you can either 1) package it yourself or 2) request for it for the next release (although I don't know the process of requesting in MOTU)
[03:28] <_2> Jucato give the keyboard a rest,  it's spilling C code onto the channel !
[03:29] <_2> :)
[03:29] <Jucato> return rest;
[03:29] <_2> :)
[03:29] <ardchoille> Jucato: I suck at packaging. I need to find out how to make a request.
[03:29] <eleveniseven> hello
[03:30] <_2> eleveniseven
[03:30] <eleveniseven> does anyone here know of any drivers for spdif for asalia hda sound, i have nvidia nforce 680i chipset
[03:30] <eleveniseven> i cannot get my optical out to work
[03:31] <ardchoille> !motu
[03:31] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[03:31] <eleveniseven> is that for me?
[03:31] <_2> no
[03:31] <ardchoille> Jucato: Seems pretty easy to get a new app in universe
[03:32] <Jucato> ardchoille: define easy :)
[03:32] <ElecNinja> The make comman requires you to put in the name of the makefile right?
[03:32] <Jucato> coz if it were easy, you could do it yourself, right?
[03:32] <draik> _2: Any significat changes from the Kubuntu 7.04 fresh install?
[03:32] <ardchoille> Jucato:  "To get a package into Ubuntu, please file a bug in Launchpad and make sure it has the tag needs-packaging."
[03:32] <eleveniseven> so is that no,...no one knows..?
[03:32] <_2> eleveniseven if uncle googoogiggle  can't find one.  i sure can't.
[03:33] <ardchoille> Jucato:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[03:33] <eleveniseven> well, ive searched hi and low on google, i read things where people have compiled their own kernels to do it, but i cant do taht
[03:33] <_2> draik from the upgrade ?    only the use of scsi emulation   and i thing they phased that out too.
[03:33] <Jucato> ardchoille: to revise what you said "seems pretty easy to **request** to get a new app in universe"
[03:33] <eleveniseven> i didnt know if anyone here has gotten it to work any other way?
[03:34] <draik> _2: Any way to get that in Feisty?
[03:34] <_2> eleveniseven not that i'm aware of.
[03:34] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, yes, good point that.
[03:34] <eleveniseven> well, that sucks,
[03:34] <ardchoille> Jucato: Tastymenu is already there (launchpad) and has the appropriate tag.
[03:34] <_2> draik yes.   i think it's as simple as an arg on the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:34] <Jucato> ardchoille: most likely it won't even get noticed/considered until gutsy release
[03:34] <ardchoille> yeah
[03:35] <Jucato> and still have to wait for someone interested enough to do it :)
[03:35] <draik> _2: Put my cd/dvd drives on the menu.lst?
[03:35] <ardchoille> Jucato: yeah :(
[03:35] <_2> draik better check for a howto on it.  but i think it's something like      idescsi
[03:35] <ardchoille> Jucato:  http://tinyurl.com/296pnt
[03:35] <NickPresta> ardchoille, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003 make a deb and distribute that for now?
[03:35] <ardchoille> Jucato: Status reads: In Progress
[03:35] <eleveniseven> well, thanks i guess
[03:36] <_2> draik or   scsiemu      one or tother
[03:36] <draik> What am I to google?
[03:36] <_2> scsi emulation
[03:36] <ardchoille> NickPresta: Tried that, got my butt kicked, lol. Will try again.
[03:36] <_2> or    ide scsi emulation
[03:37] <_2> draik note.  that will make any hd's also appear as scsi drives.    i.e.   hda will become  sda
[03:37] <NickPresta> ardchoille, heh.
[03:37] <Jucato> ardchoille: lucky you. apachelogger seems to have done it already
[03:38] <draik> _2: It's already sda
[03:38] <NickPresta> Jucato, the link is dead =(
[03:38] <Jucato> NickPresta: which link
[03:38] <Jucato> ah revu?
[03:38] <Jucato> it constantly changes I think
[03:38] <NickPresta> Jucato, yes.
[03:38] <The_Miker> i've got an interesting question....does anyone else besides me think Linux hates nForce 2 chipsets?
[03:38] <_2> draik it was phased out of fiesty because so many were complaining about the nomenclature </!sp>
[03:38] <NickPresta> Oh.
[03:41] <khaije1> anyone using bluetooth on fiesty? i just need to know it's not broken
[03:42] <khaije1> (in general i mean)
[03:42] <ardchoille> NickPresta: That link you posted certainly is easier than other packaging tutorials I have tried to follow
[03:43] <rustalot> ok, so I'm installing a command line system from the alternate cd, and it says "Configuring less".... what is there to configure about less??
[03:44] <_2> i like this old "compaq" (R) mini tower case.   they might not have anything else going for them but the case is "snazzie"
[03:45] <_2> rustalot every package gets configured.
[03:45] <_2> even the meta package that contain ZERO files
[03:46] <_2> but as to the exact question.    dpkg -L less | grep etc
[03:47] <n1badboy> hi all
[03:47] <_2> or maybe    grep bin
[03:47] <ardchoille> NickPresta: Where is the ./compile, make steps being done? Is that what dpkg-buildpackage does?
[03:48] <NickPresta> ardchoille, AFAIK, dpkg-buildpackage takes care of that
[03:48] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[03:49] <NickPresta> ardchoille, the man pages say its a control script to help automate the building of a package
[03:49] <_2> Krap...   the dapper live wont install in 128m ram, will it?
[03:49] <Jucato> ardchoille: the Debian packaging system automates a lot of stuff that you don't have to even run configure and make
[03:50] <_2> looks like that box will get hoary too
[03:51] <ardchoille> Wow, I'm gonna try this
[03:51] <Jucato> ardchoille: the tradeoff is that it is a bit of work to get a properly Debianized package from scratch
[03:51] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yes, but I bet lintian can help a bit\
[03:52] <Jucato> well I mean getting the debian/ directory files right :)
[03:52] <Jucato> CDBS might help more
[03:52] <ardchoille> yrah
[03:52] <ardchoille> *yeah
[03:53] <rustalot> hey, are files made  by tcpdump analyzable by wireshark
[03:53] <atlfalcons866> how do i report a bug
[03:53] <ardchoille> !bug
[03:53] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:53] <atlfalcons866> in kubuntu?
[03:54] <atlfalcons866> in gnome i right click and hit report bug
[03:54] <carlosV2> hello, somebody knows how to config the Fast IRDA port?
[03:55] <_2> woooops.   why didn't someone mention that removing apt would also remove the package cache ?
[03:56] <BluesKaj> err, _2 why would you remove apt ?
[03:58] <draik> _2: I have yet to find anything in Google which has been deemable to "helpful"
[03:59] <draik> Is there maybe a way to reassign the device location?
[04:00] <_2> ?    symlink ?     mknod ?
[04:01] <draik> I can't even locate the UUIS
[04:01] <draik> *UUID
[04:01] <_2> blkid
[04:01] <draik> I can't mount these drives like I can with mine
[04:02] <draik> Google isn't of much help, but then again I don't know what I'm looking for since "IDE SCSI emulator" doesn't mean anything to me at this time
[04:02] <_2> not emulator.  emulation
[04:03] <BluesKaj> !info Google Linux
[04:03] <ubotu> Package google does not exist in feisty
[04:03] <BluesKaj> !Google Linux
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google linux - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <khaije1> BluesKaj: why would ubotu know about that?
[04:03] <_2> means that the kernel is using scsi devices for accessing ide devices
[04:03] <draik> http://www.google.com/linux
[04:03] <BluesKaj> !google
[04:03] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[04:03] <draik> Is that what you want, BluesKaj?
[04:04] <khaije1> hmm, i stand corrected
[04:04] <BluesKaj> no, it's asuggestion for your search, draik :)
[04:08] <draik> BluesKaj: I went through google linux and google hacker
[04:08] <draik> Both of these have always given me great tech/linux results
[04:09] <ardchoille> How do I replace the default wm in kde (kwin) with another window manager?
[04:11] <_2> .wmrc might do it...   but one  can edit /usr/bin/startkde    for a system wide change  *(prolly not advisable)*    or check in  /etc/kde?/
[04:11] <hydrogen> set KDEWM
[04:11] <hydrogen> in the environment
[04:12] <_2> yeah ?       /etc/environment ?
[04:12] <Jucato> ardchoille: [10:12]  <apt> You can change the window manager used by KDE with the $KDEWM environment variable. See http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/kdewm/
[04:12] <hydrogen> well
[04:12] <hydrogen> .bashrc
[04:12] <hydrogen> !kdewm
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdewm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:13] <_2> why would kdm be reading a users .bashrc ???
[04:13] <hydrogen> it reads whats in the environment when it starts
[04:13] <hydrogen> and because sourcing the bashrc usually occurs in the environment
[04:13] <_2> never mind,  if it is doing that,  i don't think i want to know.
[04:13] <ardchoille> Jucato: Thanks
[04:14] <hydrogen>  /any/ session needs an environment to run in
[04:15] <_2> that's what .profile used to be for
[04:16] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm using knetworkmanager together with pppoeconf to get online.  somehow my nameserver gets overridden to my default dsl modem even though i've added it to the network config.  any ideas?
[04:17] <_2> !dns
[04:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <_2> ?
[04:17] <fulat2k> doesn't seem to be working :)
[04:18] <_2> hydrogen what keeps  [ -z "$PS1" ]  && return    from forbiding kde sourcing the .bashrc ?
[04:19] <hydrogen> probably nothing
[04:19] <hydrogen> .profile is the proper place
[04:19] <hydrogen> I was thinking the check by default in .profile was -f ~/.bashrc
[04:19] <hydrogen> if its -z PS1 then my mistake
[04:19] <_2> fulat2k i have seen several talking about the  /etc/resolv.conf being over wrote.  maybe there is something on the forums
[04:20] <fulat2k> _2: cool.  will search the forums.  thx
[04:22] <sakrist>
[04:22] <BluesKaj> !info DNS
[04:22] <ubotu> Package dns does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:22] <sakrist>      beryl
[04:22] <BluesKaj> !ru | sakrist
[04:22] <ubotu> sakrist:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[04:23] <StygianAgenda> Are you using a DHCP?  Or static IP?  If you're using DHCP, then your DNS settings could be being overwritten due to that.
[04:24] <StygianAgenda> DHCP queries for DNS servers, gateway, and route metrics
[04:24] <draik> What else should I research? "kubuntu mount ide cd" and "ide scsi emulator" don't really give me anything
[04:25] <Dr_willis> mount ide cd? huh?
[04:26] <BluesKaj> enterprise environments, more fancy wording for what mostly known as "a business" :)
[04:26] <Dr_willis> You can easially mount .iso image files.
[04:26] <StygianAgenda> in my case, it's a campus of state government offices
[04:26] <BluesKaj> enterprise?
[04:26] <StygianAgenda> as well as 217 regional offices spread out across the state
[04:27] <StygianAgenda> ie, environments hosting more than 2000 LAN users
[04:27] <harrowed> Howdy howdy howdy everyone :D
[04:28] <harrowed> So formal :D
[04:28] <BluesKaj> hi harrowed
[04:28] <_2> http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/cdrw/setting-up-scsi.html.en  draik
[04:28] <harrowed> Hey ya BluesKaj :D
[04:28] <harrowed> How many more converts to the power of Gutsy have we today? :D
[04:29] <StygianAgenda> :)
[04:29] <draik> _2: Thank you. What was your search text?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> gonna wait harrowed
[04:29] <_2> first ping at   google.com/linux  "scsi emulation"     your search skills are worse than mine.  you should disconnect from the inet before you hurt someone.
[04:29] <harrowed> BluesKaj: For what? It's stable :D *taps his machine lightly as if they were a stack of cards*
[04:30] <StygianAgenda> same here.  I'm using Fiesty on 2 servers in my lab at home, 1 server in my office at work, and 1 laptop at work that I have setup for security testing
[04:30] <StygianAgenda> I think I'll be waiting a bit
[04:30] <BluesKaj> it's late here ,10:30 PM  almost sacktime
[04:30] <StygianAgenda> :)
[04:31] <harrowed> My poor old PIII800 made the transition nicely :D
[04:31] <StygianAgenda> tho... whats new in Gutsy, as compared to Fiesty?
[04:31] <_2> execpt this time.  of course.
[04:31] <harrowed> Newer X.org XServer :)
[04:31] <ardchoille> StygianAgenda: Try askng in #ubuntu+1
[04:31] <StygianAgenda> ah, gotcha
[04:31] <Biovore> gnome comes with compiz enabled by default in gusty
[04:31] <StygianAgenda> thanks
[04:32] <BluesKaj> harrowed, what graphics card ?
[04:32] <StygianAgenda> wow
[04:32] <harrowed> BluesKaj: LOL TNT2 :D
[04:32] <NickPresta> harrowed, sounds powerful ;)
[04:33] <harrowed> NickPresta: Oh it is.. 32 megs.. 512 megs ram :D It'd only take a few hours to compile a kernel from scratch :D
[04:33] <ardchoille> When I click a url in konversation it downloads a copy of the webpage and opens it with kate. How do I get it to open the url in konq on the web instead of downloading the web page?
[04:33] <harrowed> ardchoille: Change the MIME type back to Konq
[04:34] <harrowed> OR just assign all HTTP headers to Konq if you don't know how to modify the MIME types.
[04:34] <BluesKaj> yeah, i have an elcheapo ATI onboard, and i have it working with apps like google earth, and i don't feel like fighting with driver probs
[04:34] <ardchoille> harrowed: .html is set to konq already
[04:34] <_2> BluesKaj oooh yuch,  ati and on-board in one breath....
[04:35] <_2> ;/
[04:35] <harrowed> ardchoille: Odviously Kate's reassigned it somehow.. :( K-Menu, System Settings, Default Applications, Web Browser -> konquerer
[04:35] <BluesKaj> anyway it's bedtime for oldguys ... take care all, and goodnight
[04:35] <harrowed> Night BluesKaj! :)
[04:36] <NickPresta> goodnight BluesKaj
[04:36] <harrowed> Don't fear the gibon!
[04:38] <ardchoille> harrowed: I took kate out of the list but the file is still downloaded to /var/tmp and opened in konq from there.
[04:38] <harrowed> ardchoille: Is it using Konq to download with too?
[04:39] <ardchoille> I can't tell
[04:40] <harrowed> ardchoille: Ouch.. Try setting specificly as /usr/bin/konqueror
[04:40] <rance> I've got a new kubuntu 7.04 install, and man is it improved since my last test of kubuntu, congrats all around
[04:40] <harrowed> rance:  Which part would you say has improved the most?
[04:42] <harrowed> Anyone found a method of packet prioritisation for (k)Ubuntu?
[04:42] <Jucato> !pinning
[04:42] <ubotu> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[04:42] <rance> well, to start with, the default theme is much more unifom and consistent, hardware recognition is better, and I really line the new version of Adept, very slick
[04:42] <ardchoille> harrowed: Still downloading it to /var/tmp and opeining it from there. Would konversation have something to do with this?
[04:44] <harrowed> ardchoille: konversation has nothign to do with HTTP MIME types at all
[04:45] <harrowed> Or you opening a link FROM here?
[04:45] <rance> I did have a question about vmware, I installed that from source no problem, but after the first reboot vmware didnt work anymore, I checked and vmwares kernel modules were not present, and when I tried to install them by hand they were not able to be found, so I had to rerun the vmware install script
[04:45] <harrowed> Try pasting URL into Konq?
[04:45] <Jucato> ardchoille: have you changed Konvi's "use custom web browser" option?
[04:47] <ardchoille> Jucato: I do't think so, where is that option?
[04:47] <Jucato> Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> General
[04:49] <ardchoille> Jucato: It was unchecked. But I went ahead and checked it and entered "konqueror --profile webbrowsing" into the textbox and it works now.
[04:49] <Jucato> ok. now try opening links from other apps to make sure it's not a global KDE/user setting
[04:49] <harrowed> Jucato: to the rescue! :D
[04:49] <Jucato> lol
[04:50] <ardchoille> Jucato: Links from other apps?
[04:50] <Jucato> I mean click on links in other apps like kmail, akregator, kopete, etc
[04:50] <Jucato> and see if it opens kate or konq
[04:51] <ardchoille> Jucato: Seems to be ok on those apps too
[04:51] <ardchoille> Thanks for the info, it works now
[04:51] <Jucato> hm... weird..
[04:51] <alex_> Anyone know how to get widescreen as an option for resolution on an Intel integrated graphics chip?
[04:52] <harrowed> alex_: dpks-reconfigure xserver-xorg and durring the process select the widescreen resolutions
[04:52] <harrowed> err dpkg-reconfigure I mean
[04:53] <alex_> harrowed: Should I select whatever defaults it gives me for the other options?
[04:53] <Dr_willis> alex_,  i belive theres also a intel service that needs to get ran/tweaked. or so ive heard. is it a intel915 chipset?
[04:53] <Dr_willis> !find intel
[04:53] <ubotu> Found: intel2gas, rng-tools, xserver-xorg-video-intel
[04:53] <alex_> harrowed: Also, I looked in xorg.conf.  It showed widescreen resultions there already
[04:54] <alex_> Dr_willis: Nope.  945GM
[04:54] <harrowed> alex_: Ouch... Then System-Preferences should list those widescreen resolutions.. Unless your Monitor's not detected properly?
[04:54] <Jucato> s/System Preferences/System Settings/
[04:55] <harrowed> Jucato: Thanks
[04:55] <Jucato> we ain't on Mac :P
[04:55] <harrowed> Jucato: Mine looks like mac :P
[04:55] <Jucato> hahah
[04:55] <Jucato> did you change the app name too? :P
[04:55] <alex_> harrowed: A possiblilty.  Just says generic monitor.  Should I say it's widescreen
[04:55] <harrowed> Jucato: Not that Anal
[04:55] <Jucato> hahah
[04:56] <harrowed> alex_: Even generic monitor's can display outside their preset.  There is a few workarounds for display resolution defaults. Easier to just reconfigure the xorg.conf
[04:57] <harrowed> alex_: Just backup the file first.
[04:57] <guhhh> ive mounted my windows partition(ntfs) but i can read/execute the files... i need ntfs-3g?
[04:58] <ardchoille> The first link in the topic (FAQ) seems to drop me into a blank page. Is anyone esle seeing that?
[04:58] <alex_> harrowed: Alright then.  Wish me luck!
[04:58] <harrowed> guhhh: Yup yup.. Autmatrix (some people wont like using it) has a package that allows mounting on boot with read/write
[04:58] <harrowed> alex_: :D Good luck!
[04:59] <ardchoille> !automatix
[04:59] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[04:59] <Jucato> ardchoille: nope. it redirects to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions
[04:59] <abominius> yep
[04:59] <ardchoille> Jucato: Didn't redirect me, I guess my problem wasn't solved (konv+konq)
[04:59] <Jucato> hm.. maybe not related
[05:00] <dsmith_> Question: I have a 2nd partition that refuses to auto mount, the partition in question is /sda4. Here is my fstab line: /dev/sda4 /media/sda4 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
[05:00] <Jucato> ardchoille: do you get redirected when you go to other sites that redirect somewhere else?
[05:00] <Jucato> you might have turned the option off
[05:00] <dsmith_> btw: it does mount but I must do it manually
[05:00] <kirk> Kubuntu died on me
[05:00] <ardchoille> Jucato: Just thought of that and enabled redirects in konq, works now. Forgive me, I have used firefox for years and only konq for a few weeks. Still learning.
[05:01] <Jucato> ardchoille: you are forgiven. now recite the act of contrition
[05:01] <Jucato> hehe sorry just coudn't resist
[05:01] <kirk> After I rebooted, I'm getting nothing put a black screen with a flashing underscore
[05:01] <ardchoille> Jucato: hehe
[05:01] <kirk> but*
[05:01] <dsmith_> kirk: That what you get for having a friend such as Billy Gates
[05:02] <kirk> Actually Kubuntu is the only OS installed on that computer
[05:02] <dsmith_> kirk: so what happened? Make any changes?
[05:02] <kirk> Yes I was fiddling with Beryl
[05:03] <dsmith_> dont bot?
[05:03] <dsmith_> refuses to boot?
[05:03] <dsmith_> beryl is unstable
[05:03] <kirk> After the grub menu it goes to a black screen with a flashing underscore
[05:04] <dsmith_> beryl should'nt have donw that
[05:04] <dsmith_> anyone care to comment on my question?
[05:04] <kirk> Might not have.. I'm not sure what happened..
[05:04] <dsmith_> I have had kubuntu hose on me one time
[05:04] <_2> kirk what you are describing sounds like an X error.   try pressing   alt+ctrl+f2 that that flashing cursor
[05:05] <kirk> Ok yes
[05:05] <kirk> it came up and says...
[05:05] <dsmith_> I was going to recommend that we restore a backed up ver. of xorg.conf
[05:05] <kirk> Ubuntu 7.04 tty2
[05:05] <kirk> kubuntu login:
[05:05] <_2> kirk if that gets you to a console login prompt   login and   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:06] <dsmith_> thats the cmd that should fix it
[05:06] <dsmith_> I keep forgetting it
[05:06] <StygianAgenda> yeah, sounds like incompatible X drivers.  I had the same thing happen with a mismatched driver applied to an Nvidia Geforce 4 onboard chip.
[05:06] <harrowed> kirk: X Died on you
[05:07] <dsmith_> Bad X... Bad
[05:07] <draik> _2: I don't have modconf on the other computer
[05:07] <_2> that'll let you fix X to a usable state then you can just    startx    to test it.
[05:07] <harrowed> kirk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org, killall -HUP kdm
[05:08] <_2> draik sorry i'm busy,   right now.   maybe someone else can fill in for me.
[05:08] <kirk> it says packake xserver-xorg is not installed
[05:08] <kirk> package*
[05:08] <draik> Kubuntu feisty doesn't have modconf. How do I get that?
[05:09] <harrowed> kirk: Majorly weird! Ty xserver-xorg
[05:09] <harrowed> ooops
[05:10] <kirk> there it goes :)
[05:11] <draik> _2: Nevermind. It's a required package.
[05:14] <kirk> ok i reconfigured and rebooted, same thing happen
[05:19] <Daskreech> .j Ps3dev
[05:28] <Dr_willis> hit it  with a hammer. :)
[05:29] <jimmacdonald> OK, here's an interesting situation. I have Kubuntu on my laptop and Ubuntu on my Desktop. How do I do a remote desktop between them?
[05:29] <Dr_willis> jimmacdonald,  depends on what you want to do exactly
[05:29] <Dr_willis> jimmacdonald,  they both sitting next to each other? you can see both monitors?
[05:29] <jimmacdonald> yes
[05:29] <Dr_willis> if so try 'syngery'
[05:29] <Dr_willis> it lets you mouse over to the side, and the pointer apears on the other pc. :)
[05:29] <Dr_willis> I think i spelt that right.
[05:29] <Dr_willis> !find syngery
[05:30] <Dr_willis> !find syngery
[05:30] <ubotu> Package/file syngery does not exist in feisty
[05:30] <Dr_willis> !find synegry
[05:30] <ubotu> Package/file synegry does not exist in feisty
[05:30] <jimmacdonald> !fine synergey
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fine synergey - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <Jucato> !info synergy gutsy
[05:31] <ubotu> synergy: Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 613 kB, installed size 1536 kB
[05:32] <kirk> Any ideas?
[05:32] <kirk> I reconfigured xserver
[05:32] <kirk> Still getting a blank screen
[05:32] <Dr_willis> $ apt-cache search syn | grep  mouse
[05:32] <Dr_willis> synergy - Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network
[05:33] <Jucato> only in gutsy it seems
[05:33] <kirk> After the grub menu it goes to a black screen with a flashing underscore
[05:34] <serishema|ibook> possibly you need kernel parameters to boot?
[05:34] <kirk> I dont know...
[05:34] <kirk> I reconfigured the xserver-xorg already
[05:35] <serishema|ibook> i'm unfortunately a linux newbie
[05:35] <serishema|ibook> just got kubuntu running on my G4 ibook
[05:35] <Daskreech> Welcome to Kubuntu :)
[05:35] <serishema|ibook> =)\
[05:37] <kirk> Its been great until this crash..
[05:37] <harrowed> BRB
[05:39] <Zublax> hello :)
[05:42] <serishema> hi Zublax
[05:44] <Daskreech> !hi
[05:44] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[05:44] <Jucato> pft
[05:45] <Zublax> hi.. anybody have a acer computer with kubuntu?
[05:46] <Daskreech> Maybe soon
[05:46] <Zublax> oh.. i have a trouble with the wireless  card here
[05:46] <serishema> acer aspire 3620
[05:46] <Daskreech> !wifi | Zublax
[05:46] <ubotu> Zublax: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:46] <serishema> Zublax: for me with kubuntu 6.10LTS all i had to do is download the madwifi drivers
[05:46] <serishema> then install KNetworkManager and i was good to go
[05:47] <serishema> 6.10 is pretty old now tho
[05:47] <Zublax> ah.. i tried all things and ask some exspert.. and try knetwork
[05:48] <Zublax> have a travelmate 2350 here. have tried all that the exspert have say to me but nothing..im angry at this computer now
[05:49] <Daskreech> Zublax: Look at the URL above and try WIfi troubleshooting
[05:49] <Zublax> tnx :)
[05:50] <Zublax> if i have a trouble i will ask you and the other :)
[05:50] <Daskreech> sure
[06:00] <jimmacdonald> Dr_willis: how familiar are you with that software?
[06:01] <draik> What is the file system for a DVD+R?
[06:02] <poningru> iso9886 or something like that
[06:02] <Dr_willis> jimmacdonald,  syngery? I read the man pages. and figured it out. :)
[06:02] <Daskreech> UDF ?
[06:02] <Dr_willis> ya make a syngery config file for each machine. i recall.
[06:02] <draik> I keep getting issues trying to mount the DVD as such; UDF and iso9660
[06:03] <navets__> how do i change kontact so that the date is in AM and PM not military time
[06:04] <Dr_willis> bbl
[06:05] <navets__> anyone?
[06:05] <parsek_77> I followed the guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion to instal  compizfusion but it gives dependency error, any idea?
[06:06] <Daskreech> navets__: most likely in the settins somewhere
[06:06] <navets__> Daskreech: ive been looking but cant find the option
[06:06] <navets__> found it
[06:06] <navets__> haha
[06:06] <navets__> thx
[06:06] <Daskreech> :-)
[06:12] <jerware> hi
[06:12] <jerware> i would like to play a dvd with kplayer
[06:13] <jerware> whats the syntax to play a dvd if my drive according to dmesg is hdc ?/
[06:22] <jimmacdonald> Dr_Willis I got it running.
[06:24] <Daskreech> Jucato: ha ha
[06:24] <Daskreech> You got dugg
[06:25] <kirk> Someone help...
[06:26] <kirk> When I turn the computer on, after the grub menu it goes to a blank screen with a flashing underscore
[06:26] <kirk> Kubuntu 7.04
[06:27] <jimmacdonald> Dr_willis. this is quite possibly the coolest tool I have seen in a while.
[06:28] <kirk> I can press alt+ctrl+f2 and login to command line
[06:28] <Daskreech> kirk: can You type startx ?
[06:29] <kirk> ok it said..
[06:29] <kirk> xauth: creating new autority file
[06:29] <kirk> then errors
[06:29] <Daskreech> that would be your problem
[06:31] <kirk> hello
[06:31] <kirk>  - /etc/X11/X is not executable
[06:31] <kirk> xinit: Connection refused
[06:31] <Daskreech> Ouch
[06:31] <kirk> unable to connect to xserver
[06:31] <Daskreech> what did you do to X?
[06:32] <kirk> i tried to reconfigure
[06:32] <kirk> but that was after i had rebooted and it wouldnt start
[06:32] <Daskreech> So before you rebooted what did you do?
[06:34] <kirk> i was fiddling with beryl
[06:35] <kirk> and trying to install 3ddesktop
[06:35] <jimmacdonald> !ssh
[06:35] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage.  You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:39] <kirk> !xserver
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <kirk> !xserver-xorg
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver-xorg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <ubuntu_> gracias
[06:40] <ubuntu_> hombre
[06:40] <kirk> When I turn the computer on, after the grub menu, it goes to a blank screen with a flashing underscore
[06:43] <kirk> I am in dire need of help...
[06:46] <kirk> Anyone there????
[06:46] <fignew> kirk
[06:46] <kirk> Hi
[06:46] <fignew> how long does it take to get to that screen? (after grub(
[06:46] <fignew> )*
[06:47] <kirk> It loads the kubuntu screen with blue loading bar
[06:47] <kirk> then goes to this screen
[06:48] <Jucato> ah... X problems... terrific...
[06:48] <kirk> What is "X" ?
[06:48] <NickPresta> !X | kirk
[06:48] <ubotu> kirk: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:49] <Jucato> kirk: it's basically the part of the system that allows you to have anything graphical
[06:49] <kirk> Gotcha, thanks.
[06:49] <Jucato> kirk: are you on another computer right now, so that you can do simultaneous stuff?
[06:49] <Daskreech> Jucato: With Beryl AND 3ddesktop
[06:49] <Jucato> Daskreech: huh? wah?
[06:50] <Daskreech> Jucato: Xproblems
[06:50] <Daskreech> caused by Beryl AND 3ddesktop
[06:50] <kirk> Yes
[06:50] <Jucato> ah
[06:50] <Daskreech> :-)
[06:50] <Jucato> kirk: when you get to that flashing cursor, press Ctrl+Alt+F1
[06:51] <kirk> Ok
[06:51] <Jucato> now it will ask you to login, except through the command line. you won't see what you're typing when you type in your password
[06:52] <kirk> I'm logged in
[06:52] <kirk> Also, above that it says...
[06:52] <kirk> kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot
[06:53] <Jucato> ok ignore that for a while
[06:53] <Jucato> enter this command first: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[06:53] <jimmacdonald> anyone having problems with Wine not wanting to shut down?
[06:53] <Jucato> it will basically stop the X server. press Ctrl+Alt+F1 again
[06:54] <kirk> Im with ya
[06:54] <Daskreech> or the KDE HCI WG (I love these acronyms!)
[06:54] <Jucato> heh
[06:55] <Jucato> kirk: ok type the command "startx" it should try to start X
[06:55] <Jucato> (duh! :P)
[06:55] <serishema> my ibook only has one mouse button on the trackpad
[06:55] <kirk> lol
[06:55] <kirk> Ok the output was....
[06:55] <serishema> so i'm wondering how to make linux let me setup up the apple key or something to make the button into a right click\
[06:55] <garfield> why do konp s**** so much? :/
[06:56] <Jucato> kirk: take note of the lines with EE (stands for Error) or Error
[06:56] <Jucato> yes... Apple had this obsession with one button things :)
[06:56] <Jucato> unfortunately, I don't have one to know how to solve that
[06:56] <kirk> xauth: creating new authority file /home/admin/.serverauth.5323
[06:56] <serishema> *nod*.
[06:56] <garfield> after i upgrade do i have to restart the pcN
[06:57] <serishema> I'll ask my friend who ran linux on an ibook for quite a while
[06:57] <Jucato> garfield: only if it installed a new kernel (linux-image-blah blah)
[06:57] <kirk> thebn    /etc/X11/X is not executable
[06:57] <garfield> yes new kernel
[06:57] <Jucato> garfield: then yes
[06:57] <kirk> xinit: connection refused
[06:57] <garfield> i'll reboot 2morow
[06:58] <kirk> unable to connect to x server
[06:58] <kirk> xinit: no such process. server error
[06:58] <Jucato> kirk: hm.. very strange...
[06:58] <kirk> errno 111 and errno 3
[06:58] <Jucato> is that errno 111?
[06:59] <kirk> Yes
[06:59] <Jucato> kirk: can you remember what you first did before this problem started (hour ago)
[07:01] (Daskreech/#kubuntu) !vista
[07:01] (ubotu/#kubuntu) vista is the new operating system by the evil overlords from Redmond. For more information, see http://www.badvista.org
[07:01] (kirk/#kubuntu) lol^
[07:01] (vista_killer/#kubuntu) Jucato: why not 3?
[07:01] (Jucato/#kubuntu) kirk: hm.. might be the cause. did you have to install nvidia or ati drivers?
[07:02] (kirk/#kubuntu) ati
[07:02] (Jucato/#kubuntu) vista_killer: because that's your *fourth*
[07:02] <vista_killer> lol
[07:02] <Jucato> and you keep on changing between 3 anyway
[07:02] <vista_killer> Jucato: i just reinstall kubuntu so the rest dont count
[07:03] <Jucato> oh but ops have long memories... so they do count
[07:03] <vista_killer> lol
[07:03] <Jucato> kirk: hm.. ok... hold on a sec
[07:04] <Jucato> we have ways vista_killer... we have ways
[07:04] <vista_killer> no more garfield
[07:04] <vista_killer> aaah xp just got bom up with spywares
[07:04] <Jucato> kirk: go to /etc/X11/ "cd /etc/X11"
[07:05] <kirk> Im there
[07:05] <vista_killer> wow to get to window ch?
[07:05] <Jucato> kirk: ls -l X
[07:05] <vista_killer> i keep forgetting and it dont save it
[07:05] <Jucato> !windows | vista_killer
[07:05] <ubotu> vista_killer: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[07:06] <vista_killer> oh it got an s i keep forgetting the s
[07:07] <newbi> !bot snack
[07:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bot snack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:07] <newbi> good bot
[07:07] <newbi> :)
[07:07] <Daskreech> blessed Beef!
[07:07] <kirk> k..
[07:07] <newbi> !botsnack
[07:07] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[07:07] <kirk> Output is
[07:08] <Jucato> ew
[07:08] <juan>  which is more reliable reiserfs or jfs, (for a system that will probably crash and run out of battery so have lots of bad shutdowns)?
[07:08] <kirk> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13   X --> /user/bin/Xorg
[07:08] <Daskreech> Kubuntu will alwayse be the smaller sibling of Ubuntu?
[07:09] <ardchoille> kirk: I hope that isn't the real path
[07:09] <Jucato> ardchoille: he's just typing it manually
[07:09] <ardchoille> Oh, it's a link
[07:09] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[07:09] <Jucato> it's supposed to be /usr but typing it manually, give him a break :P
[07:09] <juan> Jucato: its under mkfs so i asumed id ba able to use it
[07:10] <ardchoille> Jucato: Well, it kinda looked like c&p and given his xorg prob...
[07:10] <newbi> i cant seem to find the right driver for my sound card in my motherboard.can someone help?
[07:10] <Daskreech> !middle click
[07:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about middle click - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:10] <Daskreech> damn
[07:10] <ardchoille> Daskreech: Can the bot handle factoids with spaces in them?
[07:10] <newbi> Daskreech: midle???
[07:11] <Daskreech> !adept crash fix
[07:11] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:11] <Jucato> kirk: hm.. ok... can you do "ls" in there and  see if you have any backup copies of xorg.conf ?
[07:11] <Daskreech> No it can't
[07:11] <Daskreech> :)
[07:11] <ardchoille> lol
[07:12] <newbi> ???
[07:13] <Jucato> s/nervously/anxiously/
[07:13] <Daskreech> Jucato: You can drag and drop text?
[07:13] <kirk> theres xorg.conf.1 (and conf.2) xorg.conf.20070917 and some from 20070923 and xorg.conf_backup
[07:14] <kirk> i dont think so, he's in the process of saving my life right now
[07:14] <Jucato> newbi: I am definitely (and fortunately) not like you
[07:14] <Jucato> I only have 1 nick in 2 variations
[07:14] <Jucato> (1 has no tail, one has)
[07:14] <kirk> lol @ fortunately
[07:15] <Daskreech> !info fortune
[07:15] <moronatron> ?
[07:15] <ubotu> Package fortune does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:15] <Jucato> kirk: ok. can you remember the last, most recent, day that your system worked? was it Sept 23 or 17?
[07:15] <kirk> it was working earlier today
[07:15] <kirk> a few hours ago even
[07:16] <Daskreech> !info fortunes-mon
[07:16] <ubotu> Package fortunes-mon does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:16] <Daskreech> !info fortunes-mod
[07:16] <ubotu> Package fortunes-mod does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:16] <Jucato> kirk: hmm ok... let's try this: sudo mv xorg.conf xorg.conf_backup_Jucato
[07:17] <Daskreech> !info fortunes-mod gutsy
[07:17] <ubotu> Package fortunes-mod does not exist in gutsy
[07:17] <Jucato> kirk: just so that you know ho asked you to make that backup :P
[07:17] <Daskreech> !info fortune-mod gutsy
[07:17] <ubotu> fortune-mod: provides fortune cookies on demand. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.99.1-3ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 46 kB, installed size 144 kB
[07:17] <kirk> lol alright
[07:17] <Daskreech> Jucato: How hard can it be to find fortune!!
[07:17] <Jucato> that will basically rename your xorg.conf file
[07:17] <Jucato> Daskreech: ever tried !find fortune
[07:18] <Daskreech> There are too many things that rely on fortune for that to be useful
[07:18] <Daskreech> That's a pretty punny statement :)
[07:18] <Jucato> kirk: after that: sudo cp xorg.conf.20070923 xorg.conf
[07:19] <Jucato> kirk: done?
[07:20] <kirk> yes
[07:20] <Jucato> ok try "startx" again
[07:20] <kirk> xinit: Server error
[07:21] <Jucato> still no worky?
[07:21] <Jucato> dang!
[07:21] <kirk> -    /etc/X11/X is not executable
[07:21] <Daskreech> serishema: There seems to be a way to get that to work
[07:22] <kirk> Lol I'm lost. I've just switched to kubuntu from windows recently
[07:22] <serishema> Daskreech: ooh, interesting.
[07:22] <serishema> Daskreech: that'd be really useful.
[07:22] <Jucato> kirk: I'm lost too
[07:22] <kirk> I'll try to copy one from the 17th
[07:22] <Daskreech> serishema: I see an article on doing it from two years ago so it's possible I'm looking to see if there is anything newer
[07:23] <serishema> even the two year old article would be useful.
[07:23] <Daskreech> Jucato: I wasn't listening what are his errors
[07:23] <Daskreech> assuming that kirk is a he :0
[07:23] <Daskreech> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/007may05/features/mac-mini/
[07:24] <kirk> Yes I'm a he
[07:29] <Jucato> kirk: hm.. btw, how about: ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg
[07:29] <Jucato> kirk: only copy the rwx thingy
[07:29] <serishema> Daskreech: this looks like the kind of thing i want.
[07:29] <kirk> - /usr/bin/Xorg no such file or directory
[07:29] <Jucato> oh no wonder
[07:29] <Jucato> kirk: err
[07:29] <Jucato> kirk: ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg
[07:29] <Jucato> you are on Feisty right?
[07:29] <kirk> Yes
[07:29] <kirk> - /usr/bin/Xorg no such file or directory
[07:29] <Jucato> ok hold for a while
[07:29] <kirk> btw: ty very much for helping
[07:29] <harrowed> kirk: Still got problems? Ouch
[07:29] <Jucato> kirk: well apparently you have removed something terribly important... /usr/bin/Xorg should be there
[07:30] <Jucato> kirk: wait, is the "-" part of the error message of ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg ?
[07:30] <Jucato> kirk: how about plain "ls /usr/bin/Xorg"
[07:30] <kirk> Same error msg for both
[07:30] <harrowed> Jucato: He ls -la'd the /etc/X11/x and it's a link to /usr/bin/Xorg which isn't found.
[07:31] <Jucato> harrowed: I know. I just need to double check
[07:31] <Jucato> as he's typing commands manually, I just want to be very very sure
[07:31] <kirk> In the dark, with no letters on this keyboard :p
[07:31] <Daskreech> Whoot!
[07:31] <kirk> Walking from computer to computer
[07:31] <Daskreech> Optimus
[07:32] <Daskreech> kirk: You can log into Irc from that' computer if you like
[07:32] <harrowed> kirk: LOL remote desktop it!
[07:32] <serishema> Daskreech: sweet, now i just have to change the keycodes to my prefered keycode
[07:32] <Daskreech> But I'll show you that' when Jucato is done
[07:32] <Jucato> hm...
[07:33] <Jucato> is it  possible that he has uninstalled X?
[07:33] <ardchoille> Jucato: What if he reinstalled xserver-xorg-core ?
[07:33] <Jucato> kirk: is this a new install of Kubuntu?
[07:33] <kirk> Kinda, I just switched about a week ago.
[07:33] <Jucato> hm.. ok...
[07:34] <Jucato> kirk: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[07:35] <kirk> already newest version installed
[07:35] <Jucato> ok really strange...
[07:35] <Jucato> hm.. hold on again
[07:36] <Daskreech> kirk: what are the errors in your log?
[07:36] <Jucato> kirk: sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-corre
[07:36] <Jucato> kirk: sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[07:36] <kirk> What log?
[07:36] <Jucato> sorry, that second one ^^^
[07:36] <Jucato> Daskreech: /etc/X11/X is not executable
[07:36] <Daskreech> What?
[07:36] <Jucato> Daskreech: /etc/X11/X is a symlink to /usr/bin/Xorg, which doesn't exist on his system
[07:37] <Jucato> Error: brain not found
[07:37] <ardchoille> lol
[07:37] <Jucato> should have been more considerate: package brain not found
[07:37] <Daskreech> kirk: Do you have a /usr/bin/X ?
[07:38] <Biovore> might explain my problem... :-/.
[07:38] <Jucato> grr.. shouldn't have restarted the lappy
[07:38] <kirk> Jucato: Completed
[07:39] <Jucato> try "startx" again
[07:39] <kirk> I love you
[07:39] <kirk> :)
[07:39] <Jucato> yay!
[07:39] <Jucato> dang it was that simple!?!?!?!
[07:40] <kirk> Whew whew whew whew
[07:40] <Jucato> kirk: ok logout from KDE, (otherwise you won't have options to restart/shutdown from KDE)
[07:40] <Jucato> then in the command line again, type: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[07:40] <kirk> logout from KDE?
[07:40] <Jucato> just logout :)
[07:40] <Jucato> K Menu -> Logout
[07:40] <kirk> lol ok.
[07:41] <kirk> its slow booting right now..
[07:41] <Jucato> slow booting?
[07:42] <kirk> Its did the little icon'd loading screen for devices, loading desktop, etc, now is stopped at a blueish screen
[07:43] <Jucato> hm...
[07:43] <kirk> With a mouse
[07:43] <kirk> Cursor
[07:43] <kirk> Not froze.. I can move it
[07:43] <Jucato> maybe you need to wait? or did you set it  up to load Beryl at startup?
[07:43] <guhhh> does anyone knows a good translator as babylon?
[07:43] <ardchoille> Jucato: If he reinstalled xorg, wouldn't that replace xorg.conf, thereby eliminating his ati drivers?
[07:44] <Jucato> ardchoille: you the one who guided him for ati?
[07:44] <kirk> No I didnt mess with beryl much, It froze up shortly after I first opened Beryl
[07:44] <ardchoille> Jucato: No
[07:44] <Jucato> kirk: ok something drastic here.. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace would restart all of X and KDE
[07:45] <kirk> Connection to x server lost
[07:45] <kirk> startx again?
[07:45] <Jucato> ardchoille: most likely it won't overwrite xorg.conf
[07:45] <ardchoille> ok
[07:45] <Jucato> kirk: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[07:46] <kirk> =)
[07:46] <kirk> My desktop is back!
[07:47] <kirk> You rock Jucato. How the hell do you know all this?
[07:47] <Jucato> ok... now you can probably return that xorg.conf_backup_Jucato_is_really_Great file as your default xorg.conf
[07:47] <Jucato> if you want to dare it :P
[07:47] <Daskreech> guhhh: Babylon?
[07:47] <Jucato> kirk: hm.. experience?
[07:47] <kirk> How long have you had kubuntu?
[07:48] <Jucato> ardchoille: btw, xorg.conf isn't installed by xserver-xorg-core
[07:48] <Jucato> kirk: more than a year and a half
[07:48] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ok, I thought it was.
[07:48] <Jucato> so did I. had to double check
[07:48] <kirk> How about on Linux?
[07:48] <Jucato> kirk: Kubuntu is my first entry into Linux
[07:49] <kirk> Mine also, about a week ago.
[07:49] <ardchoille> Jucato: That makes three people I have seen have this exact same problem. We need to try and figure what's causing it.
[07:49] <Jucato> maybe
[07:49] <guhhh> Daskreech: yes, babylon translator
[07:49] <osh_> Who to talk to if I want an updated http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/qtstalker ?
[07:49] <kirk> I'm off here, I'll return on my ressurrected kubuntu
[07:49] <Jucato> but if they're all experiencing it  after playing around with ATI + Beryl... it might be something in there
[07:49] <Daskreech> babelfish?
[07:50] <Daskreech> osh_: Motu
[07:50] <Jucato> !info kbabel
[07:50] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yeah
[07:50] <ubotu> kbabel: PO-file editing suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1664 kB, installed size 5380 kB
[07:50] <osh_> !motu | osh_
[07:50] <Jucato> osh_: although it most probably will have to wait until the next release
[07:51] <kirk> That was painful
[07:51] <Daskreech> I'm pretty sure it will have to wait for the release after that
[07:51] <kirk> I've developed a phobia of WIndows now
[07:51] <osh_> Jucato: Next meaning "gutsy gibbon" or "horny heron"?
[07:51] <Daskreech> kirk: You are healthy!
[07:51] <Jucato> osh_: heron most probably
[07:51] <Jucato> but that depends
[07:51] <osh_> Jucato: Ah. Ok.
[07:52] <osh_> Depends on what? If I make an updated package, will it be included?
[07:53] <osh_> What I mean  is, will things speed up if I make the package as compared to if I just ask them to do it?
[07:53] <Daskreech> osh_: You could have it backported from Heron to Gutsy
[07:53] <Jucato> osh_: depends on what their plans are for Heron, since it will be an LTS
[07:53] <osh_> Or will updated version never find their way back into "older" releases.
[07:53] <osh_> Daskreech: Oh. I think you answered my question.
[07:54] <Daskreech> osh_: cool. I wonder if they have one for the Foreign exchange market
[07:54] <newbi> !flash
[07:54] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[07:55] <osh_> Daskreech: I use it for the foreign marked. I just have to suffix my stocks with .st.
[07:55] <Daskreech> osh_: But for stocks?
[07:56] <ardchoille> How would I get a list of apps that are in backports only?
[07:56] <osh_> Daskreech: All markets that you can find on yahoo-finance. Yeah. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=PAR-SEK.ST
[07:56] <Daskreech> osh_: Yeah I play different markets
[07:57] <osh_> Daskreech: I just add PAR-SEK.ST as a stock and that's a norwegian stock on the swedish market. =)
[07:57] <Daskreech> :)
[07:57] <ardchoille> Jucato: That's it, thanks
[07:57] <osh_> Daskreech: The program itself does need some love though. It's not quite KDE-standard. It works though.
[07:57] <kirk> I should probably get rid of Beryl huh
[07:58] <kirk> !beryl
[07:58] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:58] <osh_> Daskreech: Like ctrl-q doesn't do what you expect. It fetches quotes instead.
[07:58] <Daskreech> osh_: That's cause it's a qt app I would guess
[07:58] <Daskreech> not a KDE one
[07:58] <Daskreech> The two are not the same :)
[07:58] <osh_> Daskreech: Might be.
[07:59] <ardchoille> osh_:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[08:02] <davubuntu> Hello... I have ubuntu feisty not kubuntu... I would like to use kontact and have installed it. I have become aware of this bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140041 but as I don't have KDE installed I can't use the file menus to remove the extra resource. Can someone tell me how to do this using the terminal?
[08:03] <Daskreech> !packaging
[08:03] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[08:03] <osh_> ardchoille: Brilliant. Thanks.
[08:03] <Daskreech> osh_: ^^^
[08:05] <osh_> Daskreech: Thanks. I'll look into it.
[08:05] <ardchoille> osh_: You're welcome. Though, if you're going to package for repos, you might want to look a bit deeper into it.. there are several ways of packaging.
[08:08] <osh_> ardchoille: I used to do rpm-packaging professionally before. Hopefully .debs aren't that much different...
[08:09] <ardchoille> osh_: I did rpm's too, and I have found that .deb's can be more involved.
[08:09] <osh_> ardchoille: I'll see if I can manage to build something for ubuntu too.
[08:09] <davubuntu>  Hello... I have ubuntu feisty not kubuntu... I would like to use kontact and have installed it. I have become aware of this bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140041 but as I don't have KDE installed I can't use the file menus to remove the extra resource. Can someone tell me how to do this using the terminal?
[08:09] <osh_> ardchoille: Yeah? What's the biggest diff?
[08:09] <ardchoille> osh_: rules
[08:10] <Jucato> Debian rules to be exact
[08:10] <ardchoille> yeah, that
[08:11] <Jucato> davubuntu: hold on a sec while I look for a way to workaround that
[08:11] <davubuntu> Jucato: thanks
[08:11] <osh_> I'll be sure to read a lot about debian rules then. =)
[08:11] <Jucato> davubuntu: Alt+F2, "kcmshell kresources"
[08:12] <Jucato> davubuntu: actually you can just do it in Kontact as well
[08:12] <davubuntu>  Jucato: there is only one resource in there...?!?!
[08:12] <Jucato> davubuntu: make sure you are looking at the Calendar resources
[08:13] <davubuntu> Jucato: just figured that out when you said it
[08:13] <Jucato> :P
[08:13] <osh_> Heh. It does seem like .rpms are simpler to make...
[08:13] <Jucato> osh_: yes. and simpler to break I heard :P
[08:13] <Jucato> the Debian packaging system makes excellent packages... the trade off is the effort you have to put into them
[08:14] <davubuntu> Jucato: cheers mate. It's people like you who make this whole community wonderful.
[08:14] <Jucato> hahah there are lots more better than me :)
[08:14] <Jucato> you're very much welcome :)
[08:14] <davubuntu> Jucato: well you helped me the other day. you helped me today and you tried to help me on your blog... so thanks!
[08:15] <osh_> Jucato: Yeah. I keep hearing that too, but the only time I've seen it is when people have been "fcking stupid"(tm). Like forcing in a package from a different distribution and such. Still, I might just have been lucky. Who knows.
[08:15] <Jucato> davubuntu: oh so that was you? hahah :)
[08:15] <osh_> But that's not the focus here. Debian packages are. =)
[08:16] <Jucato> davubuntu: btw, you can swap the tabs in kate too
[08:16] <Jucato> right-click on the tab name. .. but the filesystem and document sidebars really don't look very useful at the bottom/top
[08:17] <davubuntu> Jucato: yep. I've got GNOME back for now. And I'm, at this moment installing KDE. I managed to fix a bunch of problems that were machine problems and I'm looking forward to getting back to KDE. Anyway I gotta go... it's late where I am. Cheers again.
[08:17] <davubuntu> Jucato: Oh thanks for that.
[08:17] <Jucato> and see the last comment in the blog. you can hide *all* sidebars
[08:18] <davubuntu> Jucato:Great. I will visit your site again tomorrow. Cheers
[08:23] <Daskreech> Dang commit digest!
[08:25] <Daskreech> Wireshark?
[08:25] <Daskreech> !info wireshark
[08:25] <ubotu> wireshark: network traffic analyzer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.4-6 (feisty), package size 566 kB, installed size 1576 kB
[08:25] <Daskreech> That's what I thought
[08:26] <Daskreech> Jucato: What are you scared of?
[08:26] <Jucato> bandwidth
[08:27] <Daskreech> Well You are on the front page already
[08:27] <Daskreech> I think if it hasn't gone down yet you should be ok
[08:28] <Jucato> yeah I'm past the danger zone
[08:28] <Daskreech> What you shoudl worry about is stumbleupon :)
[08:30] <Daskreech> Course the Wallpaper of Ubuntu hits the front page of Digg as well and gets a lot more attention :-p
[08:40] <jimmacdonald> What is th Kubuntu equiv of xdmcp?
[08:40] <Daisuke-Ido> kdmcp?
[08:40] <Daisuke-Ido> i don't know if that's it, but it's a reasonable guess
[08:41] <jimmacdonald> ok lemme ask this a little differently... I would like to enable remote logins on my laptop from my desktop... I have it working the other way around I think.
[08:41] <Daisuke-Ido> ssh?
[08:42] <jimmacdonald> nope remote login from the login screen
[08:42] <Daisuke-Ido> ah.  no idea
[08:47] <dwidmann> jimmacdonald: a perhaps less elegant way would be this: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/XoverSSH/X-over-SSH2.html
[09:04] <koriel> what is bluetooth client that comes with kubuntu distro?
[09:04] <Jucato> kdebluetooth
[09:08] <combo> !flash
[09:08] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:09] <osh_> Hey, someone wrote a nice article, linked from digg. http://jucato.org/blog/why-kde/
[09:09] <Jucato> O.o
[09:10] <osh_> Very well written.
[09:11] <Jucato> heh thanks :)
[09:11] <osh_> Btw is there a "list" or something that will show me what KIOslaves I have? I just found out the "kio_apt" from your blog.
[09:12] <Jucato> osh_: KHelpCenter has a list, but not all are well documented
[09:12] <combo> how can i install flash under FIREFOX ??
[09:12] <Jucato> there are some from the link in the References at the bottom of the article
[09:12] <Jucato> combo: just install flashplugin-nonfree
[09:12] <combo> i typed install flash-nonfree but it doesn't work
[09:12] <combo> Jucato: i did it already
[09:12] <Jucato> because it's flashplugin-nonfree
[09:12] <combo> Jucato: yes i did it
[09:13] <Jucato> combo: by any chance, is this 64-bit?
[09:13] <combo> Jucato: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree / nope i386
[09:13] <osh_> Jucato: Ok. It's a shame that such a powerful feature don't get much more attention.
[09:13] <Jucato> combo: tried restarting firefox?
[09:13] <combo> Jucato: maybe because i was trying other ways - manually and i screw up something ?
[09:14] <combo> Jucato: yes, rebboted FF
[09:14] <Jucato> osh_: one of those things you don't know you're already using... even http:/ is really a kioslave in KDE
[09:14] <combo> in Konqurer it works fine
[09:14] <combo> but i messed something in FF
[09:14] <combo> :/
[09:14] <Jucato> combo: hm.. not really sure what happened. maybe doing it manually screwed something up. by default Konqueror and Firefox use the same directories for plugins
[09:14] <osh_> A company I worked for chose KDE for technical reasons. When I showed them the fish:/ protocol they were amazed. So some things are fantastic, but don't get nearly enough expo.
[09:15] <combo> Jucato: maybe i reinstall FF
[09:15] <Jucato> osh_: you could fish:/ or sftp:/ directly from Kate too... or Quanta
[09:15] <osh_> Unfortunatly since I left most other admins were gnome-heads.
[09:15] <Jucato> (not sure how media streaming works with kio)
[09:16] <Jucato> combo: might not fix anything if you have manually changed some directories or files.
[09:16] <osh_> Jucato: Yeah. That's what I mean. KIOslaves are amazing but not nearly enough ppl know about them. Even the ones using KDE.
[09:16] <combo> Jucato: i did changed something in dirs
[09:16] <combo> Jucato: but if remove and then install again it should works
[09:16] <Jucato> hehe that makes the experience of learning about them all the more satisfying... the "Wow!' factor
[09:16] <Jucato> combo: not really sure. I don't use Firefox much
[09:17] <combo> Jucato: and what u use ?
[09:17] <Jucato> Konqueror
[09:17] <combo> Konqueror?! lol
[09:17] <khaije1> osh_: thats why i don't understand the need or desire for dolphin when konqueror is available
[09:17] <combo> sweet ! - adept managert crashed! :[[[[[
[09:17] <Jucato> khaije1: user demand
[09:18] <Jucato> (and probably a sort of excuse to redo the mistakes of konq)
[09:18] <khaije1> Jucato: but what makes dolphin better than konqueror?
[09:18] <Jucato> simpler usage. cleaner code
[09:19] <Jucato> and most specially, actively maintained
[09:19] <osh_> I'll reserve judgement about konqi/dolph until after I've seen them both in action. Right now I'm happy with konqi.
[09:19] <combo> does command 'sudo apt-get remove firefox' make my system clear from FF ? :]
[09:19] <combo> or is there something else i should remove ?
[09:19] <Jucato> khaije1: but I hope you're not basing your opinion of dolphin based on KDE 3's dolphin
[09:20] <khaije1> Jucato: well no, the kde4 alpha/beta preview
[09:20] <Jucato> good
[09:20] <Jucato> at least yours is an informed opinion :)
[09:21] <Jucato> combo: sudo apt-get remove --purge
[09:21] <combo> Jucato: too late... :( installing ff again
[09:21] <combo> CRAP!
[09:21] <Jucato> without purge, the /etc configurations still exist
[09:21] <Jucato> but even with purge, your modifications in your home directory still remain
[09:21] <khaije1> i'd say konqueror is a good example of what i like about foss in general, pleasant and useful ui's that have incredible functional depth
[09:22] <Jucato> khaije1: then nothing to be worried about. just a few clicks and Konq's your default file manager again
[09:22] <combo> Jucato: purge gives nothing
[09:22] <Jucato> combo: sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox of course
[09:22] <combo> i did it one more time and FF flash still DOES NOT work :/
[09:23] <combo> Jucato:  :/
[09:23] <combo> :PP
[09:23] <Jucato> but like I said, your changes in /home will remain
[09:23] <combo> Jucato: sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox | didn't work
[09:24] <combo> it looks there is no such dir in home
[09:24] <Jucato> without knowing what manual changes you did..and not knowing how Firefox does stuff... I can't really help much
[09:25] <combo> i clreared up that dir: /home/combo/.mozilla/plugins
[09:25] <combo> there were some files
[09:25] <combo> and i deleted them
[09:25] <combo> maybe someone can send those two files to me ??
[09:25] <combo> by default there are: libflashplayer.so & flashplayer.xpt
[09:26] <combo> can someone send those two files to me ???
[09:26] <combo> [ i deleted those files ]
[09:26] <Jucato> combo: it should look for flashplayer in the system directories so that should work now
[09:27] <Jucato> so probably your .mozilla libflashplayer.so is blocking the correctly working version that Konqueror is using too
[09:27] <Jucato> libflashplayer.so <---- flash player plugin
[09:27] <sbucat> hi
[09:27] <combo> Jucato: i mean i replaced those two files with files downloaded from adobe.com
[09:27] <combo> and then installed flashplugin from repo
[09:28] <combo> and i doesn't work
[09:28] <Jucato> combo: you shouldn't have put those files in manually yourself
[09:29] <combo> Jucato: i didn't know that
[09:29] <combo> from windows i have a habbit that first i'm trying to do something myself and if it doesn't work then i'm trying to find a help in internet
[09:30] <oem> i can not listen to mp3 formati
[09:30] <combo> and this way i'm screwing up everything
[09:30] <combo> ://///
[09:30] <oem> i have install xine, but it doesent works
[09:30] <Jucato> combo: anything in the users home will override/hide the corresponding system-wide thing
[09:30] <Jucato> oem: libxine-extracodecs ?
[09:30] <ardchoille> oem: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[09:30] <oem> no
[09:31] <Jucato> that's what you need
[09:31] <combo> it woooorks!!
[09:31] <Jucato> :P
[09:31] <combo> Jucato: i removed home folder with mozilla and it works!! :D:D
[09:31] <ardchoille> Jucato: You should get paid for this :)
[09:31] <combo> ok... thanks the Lord... this time i had lucky :))
[09:31] <Jucato> combo: it would be probably better if you researched how to do something first :)
[09:31] <Jucato> ardchoille: how I wish :)
[09:31] <combo> ardchoille: ;P
[09:32] <Jucato> ardchoille: but I doubt Canonical can afford so many paid IRC helpers :)
[09:32] <Jucato> coz I'm certainly not the only one nor am I the best
[09:32] <Jucato> (probably the koolest though)
[09:32] <Jucato> lol
[09:32] <oem> thx
[09:32] <ardchoille> Jucato: You have been here all day helpng people.. and I have been learning just watching you. You are appreciated :)
[09:33] <Jucato> hahaha
[09:33] <galathalion> anyone use jabber?
[09:33] <Jucato> if I'm in here all day helping people, that means I'm not doing something that I should be doing :)
[09:34] <galathalion> i added a person who use jabber, i use kopete, but she seems to be logging in and out every second.. :S
[09:34] <Jucato> galathalion: it might be a problem with her jabber server?
[09:34] <galathalion> yeah it might
[09:35] <galathalion> i was just thinking..
[09:35] <galathalion> :>
[09:40] <oem> amarok is not working on my computer
[09:40] <emilsedgh> oem: whats the problem?
[09:41] <oem> he says thet playlist is finished
[09:41] <oem> when I click on song
[09:41] <NielsE> maybe it doesnt play mp3 yet, you problably need the correct codecs
[09:42] <oem> i have 1.3 version
[09:43] <oem> i can lisen mp3 on kaffeine
[09:43] <Jucato> oem: did you restart amarok after install libxine-extracodecs ?
[09:45] <Daisuke-Ido> version 1.3 of amarok?
[09:46] <Daisuke-Ido> bedtime, gnight
[09:47] <CelaEllerNatt> I have found a problem I don\t know how to handle.
[09:48] <CelaEllerNatt> Everything seems to work properly until i shall login inte KDE
[09:48] <khaije1> !unhandled problem
[09:48] <CelaEllerNatt> when I press enter, the screen goes black, and Im bounching bag to the login screen again, nothing more happens
[09:49] <CelaEllerNatt> bouncing back
[09:49] <khaije1> CelaEllerNatt: have you tried checking you dmesg or xorg logs?
[09:50] <CelaEllerNatt> I have not, because I had no idea about them before now >/(
[09:50] <khaije1> CelaEllerNatt: the last few times this happened to me was because of x auth and my disk being 100% full
[09:50] <CelaEllerNatt> wrong keyboard!
[09:50] <CelaEllerNatt> soory
[09:51] <ardchoille> CelaEllerNatt: Can you ctrl+alt+f1 on that box?
[09:51] <CelaEllerNatt> Right? full? its a new installation, but I will check it up. Otherwise i will come back
[09:52] <CelaEllerNatt> ardchoille, what will that do>
[09:52] <CelaEllerNatt> ?
[09:52] <ardchoille> CelaEllerNatt: G there and log in, I have a command to check something
[09:52] <CelaEllerNatt> I will. Thanks for the ideas!
[09:57] <ardchoille> !kdesu
[09:57] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[09:57] <combo> what is the firefox folder on kubuntu ?? i mean the path ??
[09:58] <Jucato> your firefox user profile?
[09:58] <ardchoille> combo: ~/.mozilla/*
[09:58] <Jucato> yep
[09:58] <combo> flash installer want to type path to firefox DIR so i need that path
[09:58] <Jucato> ~/.mozilla/firefox
[09:58] <Jucato> er...
[09:58] <combo> Jucato: ok
[09:58] <Jucato> why again?
[09:58] <combo> Jucato: it looks it worked for a while
[09:58] <ardchoille> combo: flash is in the repos
[09:59] <combo> ardchoille: yeap i know
[09:59] <combo> ardchoille: but it DOES NOT work ;P
[09:59] <ardchoille> combo: amd64?
[09:59] <Jucato> a while ago you said that it did
[09:59] <combo> ardchoille: i mean doesn NOT work under ff cuz under Konqueror it works as well
[09:59] <combo> ardchoille: nope, i386
[09:59] <combo> even under opera works
[10:00] <ardchoille> combo: Did you restart firefox?
[10:00] <combo> ardchoille: many times :D
[10:00] <combo> ardchoille: cuz i'm trying to isntall that stupid flash since yesterday evening ;P
[10:00] <ardchoille> combo: Open firefox and type this into the location: about:plugins
[10:00] <ardchoille> See if flash is listed
 Jucato: i removed home folder with mozilla and it works!! :D:D
[10:01] <combo> MIME TYPE: application/x-shockwave-flash 	Shockwave Flash 	swf 	YES
[10:01] <combo> it looks it works
[10:01] <ardchoille> It's installed
[10:01] <Jucato> so how does it *not* work?
[10:01] <combo> but on youtube.com and everywhere else movies do NOT work
[10:01] <combo> Jucato: :?
[10:01] <combo> idunno :/
[10:02] <Jucato> combo: what version of Kubuntu are you on?
[10:02] <ardchoille> combo: Are you allowing cookies and javascrpt on those sites?
[10:02] <combo> Jucato: kub-7.04
[10:02] <Jucato> hmm
[10:02] <combo> ardchoille: probably yes
[10:02] <combo> ardchoille: how to check it out ?
[10:02] <combo> wait i just remind something
[10:02] <ardchoille> combo: It in the firefox settings
[10:03] <combo> when i was trying flash manuall - at begginigs before trying it from repos... in path i typed /usr/local/mozilla-firefox
[10:03] <combo> and it installed some files there
[10:03] <combo> so maybe because it doesn;t work :/
[10:03] <combo> ardchoille: cookies accepting
[10:04] <waylandbill_> combo: you want /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[10:04] <bigyee> ke pedo
[10:04] <ardchoille> combo: I think the javascript settins are on the Content tab
[10:04] <combo> waylandbill_: right, right - i made mistake - it was dir as u said
[10:05] <combo> ardchoille: all 4 option on content tab are ON
[10:05] <waylandbill_> combo: actually, thats a symbolic link. Try /usr/lib/mozilla instead.
[10:06] <combo> waylandbill_: will try that now
[10:07] <combo> crap! i'm typing /usr/lib/mozilla and it shows - Enter a valid installation path
[10:08] <combo> it looks there is no such dir
[10:08] <combo> waylandbill_: can u check out what do u have in dir /usr/lib/mozilla/
[10:08] <combo> cuz i have there inly plugins folder
[10:10] <combo> waylandbill_: can someone using FIREFOX here can tell me what is content of /usr/lib/mozilla/ dir ??
[10:10] <combo> waylandbill_: r u there ? :)
[10:10] <waylandbill_> combo: of course. The flash installer puts the flash plugin in the plugins subdirectory
[10:11] <combo> waylandbill_: but there is only one dir? called plugins
[10:11] <combo> do u have also only one dir ?
[10:11] <ardchoille> combo: That's what I have
[10:12] <combo> ok... :
[10:12] <waylandbill_> um... I just said that. You tell the installer /usr/lib/mozilla which then puts the libflashplayer.so into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[10:12] <ardchoille> combo: If you installed flash from the repos, it does all of that for you
[10:12] <combo> ardchoille: so why if i'm typing path to the /usr/lib/mozilla it shows that this path is not valid
[10:13] <combo> ardchoille: from repos it is installed and doesn't work
[10:13] <ardchoille> combo: Why are you typing a path to begin with?
[10:13] <combo> ardchoille: so i'm trying to solve it somehow
[10:13] <ardchoille> combo:  ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[10:13] <combo> ardchoille: i downloaded install_flash_player_9_linux
[10:14] <waylandbill_> ardchoille: what's the prompt from the installer say exactly? It's been a while since I used it.
[10:14] <waylandbill_> oops. meant for combo
[10:14] <ardchoille> combo: Well, when you install from the repos, it just grabs it from the flash site anyway
[10:14] <combo>  /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins - also is invalid :/
[10:14] <combo> ardchoille: i see...
[10:15] <combo> something is wrong?! :/ why it so hard :/
[10:15] <combo> CRAP!
[10:15] <combo> i waste such lot of time for some stupid flash-sic-player and it doesn't work
[10:15] <combo> ...also your time...
[10:15] <ardchoille> combo: Find out where  flashplayer.xpt  and  libflashplayer.so  are and then either cp or link them to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[10:16] <galathalion> where do i find my usb-hdd?
[10:16] <combo> ardchoille: ok
[10:16] <combo> it looks that in this dir (/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) there are already those files
[10:17] <ardchoille> combo: Then flash is where it's supposed to be
[10:17] <waylandbill_> combo: then it's installed correctly.
[10:17] <crazy_bus> I downloaded a .mp4 off google video.  But while it plays from the start, it freezes if I skip ahead.  Other mp4's play properly though another one I got off google video has the same problem (most google videos I've downloaded work)  I've tried to play it in kaffeine and gstreamer-xine.  Is there anyway I can fix it?
[10:18] <Jucato> crazy_bus: try playing it in mplayer (using kmplayer)
[10:18] <combo> good LORD
[10:18] <combo> suuuuuuuuuch stuuuuuuuuupi i am!
[10:18] <combo> ardchoille: i'm so sorry
[10:18] <combo> i'm so sorry guys
[10:18] <ardchoille> Why?
[10:18] <combo> my fault
[10:19] <ardchoille> combo: There is nothing wrong with making mistakes.. there is, however, something wrong with not learning from them :)
[10:19] <combo> i removed from home dir ./.mozilla dir and run FF again... and now flash works... it looks that i downloaded som plug-in for FF that blocks flash at all
[10:19] <combo> :/
[10:20] <ardchoille> combo: flashblock?
[10:20] <ardchoille> Jucato: lol
[10:20] <combo> ardchoille: yeap
[10:20] <galathalion> some1 halp me nao?
[10:20] <galathalion> pls?
[10:20] <ardchoille> combo: In that case, you need to allow javascript in order to allow flash. Are you using noscript too?
[10:21] <combo> ardchoille: no-script too
[10:21] <ardchoille> combo: That is what's causing the problem. you need to allow javascript and then you can see flash
[10:22] <combo> ardchoille: it seems that java is allowed at all
[10:22] <crazy_bus> whenever I install a new version of kubuntu it retains the look of the older version.  I.e the livecd looks different from the install.  This is because I always keep my /home directory.  But how do I keep my program settings and files but get the new effects?
[10:22] <waylandbill_> combo: :-/
[10:22] <waylandbill_> lol
[10:23] <Jucato> crazy_bus: yes. because KDE user settings are kept in /home/username/.kde
[10:23] <Jucato> so they get carried over
[10:23] <crazy_bus> so if I delete that before I upgrade will I get the new look?
[10:24] <waylandbill_> crazy_bus: that was a good question. I wondered in the past, but not enough to ask. :)
[10:24] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: Don't delete it, simply rename it to .kde-old or something in case you need to retrieve something
[10:24] <Jucato> waylandbill_: you? wonder? no way
[10:24] <waylandbill_> :-/
[10:25] <waylandbill_> I figured it was .kde, but never tried renaming .kde before a dist-upgrade. I'm sure it could be done anytime though and default settings would be created.
[10:25] <ardchoille> yeah
[10:26] <ardchoille> waylandbill_: But you would also lose things like kadressbook entries, korganizer calendars, akregator feeds, etc.
[10:26] <waylandbill_> I don't do much before a dist-upgrade other than back stuff up.
[10:27] <ardchoille> That's why I always advise to backup rather than delete
[10:27] <waylandbill_> ardchoille: yeah. but those could be put back in on a case by case basis I'm sure from the backup copy.
[10:27] <ardchoille> yes
[10:28] <waylandbill_> gotta run. bye.
[10:33] <lordofthepigs> Hello!
[10:33] <lordofthepigs> how can I disable automount on my ubuntu liveCD
[10:33] <emilsedgh_> !hi | lordofthepigs
[10:33] <ubotu> lordofthepigs: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:34] <lordofthepigs> I can use GParted in any useful way because ubuntu insists on auto-mounting all the partitions on my hard drive
[10:34] <lordofthepigs> whereas I basically want all partitions to be deleted
[10:35] <lordofthepigs> anyway?
[10:35] <emilsedgh> lordofthepigs: you could unmount them, but, if you have problem with ubuntu, go to #ubuntu, this place is for Kubuntu
[10:37] <lordofthepigs> emilsedgh: but when I unmount them, they get automounted...
[10:38] <emilsedgh> lordofthepigs: in Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[10:38] <lordofthepigs> ubuntu feisty
[10:39] <emilsedgh> lordofthepigs: so go to #ubuntu channel, this place is for Kubuntu
[10:46] <Bl4ckSB4> Bonjour
[10:47] <Bl4ckSB4> Quelqu'un pourrait-il m'expliquer comment fonctionne les noms de domaines
[10:47] <Jucato> !fr | Bl4ckSB4
[10:47] <ubotu> Bl4ckSB4: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:48] <Bl4ckSB4> sorry all
[11:01] <ardchoille> Time for bed, back later.
[11:04] <alberg_> hello
[11:27] <guhhh> if i use a chrooted service, and i want to install a module on it... is there any way i can install it directly to chrooted service? also, for /dev/random i use for example: mknod .../dev/random c 1 8 ?
[11:32] <animimotus> hello
[11:33] <animimotus> how can I display the 5 lines befor the line:152 and 5 lines after in a file.txt?
[11:41] <llutz> animimotus: head -n 157 file.txt |tail        :))
[11:51] <animimotus> [11:41]  <llutz> animimotus: head -n 157 file.txt |tail        :)) <----- thx, I have the total sexy effect with : cat -n file.txt | head -n 157 | tail    ;)
[11:52] <llutz> animimotus: "useless use of cat" :)
[12:15] <NiceGuyUK> anyone know how to access a UDF format DVD on Feisty?
[12:33] <ho4upiva>  )
[12:33] <Jucato> !ru
[12:33] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:54] <runlevelten> Are cd's supposed to have these weird permissions
[12:54] <runlevelten> ?
[12:54] <runlevelten> As it stands, users on these kubuntu desktops are running windows programs with root privileges because otherwise they won't work..
[12:54] <runlevelten> Which is just fantastic
[12:58] <runlevelten> Gah, broken broken broken.
[12:58] <tsdgeos> runlevelten: file a bug
[12:59] <runlevelten> IYeah, when I've not got loads of work to do.
[01:00] <runlevelten> Lots of which is because of brokenness. Recursive problem, see? :(
[01:06] <ubuntu_> hello
[01:07] <ubuntu_> i am in my liveCD
[01:07] <ubuntu_> and i want to mount my linux partition
[01:07] <ubuntu_> ecause i have make so modification in the menu.lst of my linux grub and i can not enter in my linux session
[01:13] <Kachna> ubuntu_: just mount /dev/(your partition) /mnt/(some folder) -t (filesystem..ext3/reiserfs or so)
[01:16] <ubuntu_> some folder?? for example??
[01:17] <runlevelten> Man, what a disappointment.  Back to the other distro for my end users, methinks.
[01:18] <USMarine> ubuntu_ anything you want
[01:19] <USMarine> mount /dev/(your partition) /mnt/broken_system
[01:19] <ubuntu_> my problem is this : i have make some modification in menu.lst
[01:19] <ubuntu_> and i cannot boot in linux
[01:19] <ubuntu_> and i want to restore these modifications
[01:20] <ubuntu_> root@ubuntu:/# mount /dev/sda3/ /mnt -t ext2
[01:20] <ubuntu_> mount: special device /dev/sda3/ does not exist
[01:20] <ubuntu_>        (a path prefix is not a directory)
[01:21] <ubuntu_> mount make some error
[01:26] <ubuntu_> please i wait for answer
[01:27] <ubuntu__> hi
[01:28] <Eagle_101> ubuntu_: it gave you the error
[01:28] <Eagle_101> the device does not exist
[01:28] <Zsolti> waht's up?
[01:28] <ubuntu_> yes
[01:28] <ubuntu_> yes
[01:28] <ubuntu_> what can i do now
[01:29] <Zsolti> I ve just installed ubuntu
[01:29] <ubuntu_> to restore my menu.lst with the live cd
[01:29] <Zsolti> :)
[01:29] <Zsolti> I like it
[01:30] <ubuntu__> hello
[01:30] <ubuntu__> err
[01:30] <imagine> I'm having an issue when I close the screen of my laptop (toshiba A100). When it comes back from idle, I often loose my ethernet connection.. I try a /etc/init.d/network restart and it says eth0 doesn't exist... any clue on how to solve this ?
[01:30] <ubuntu__> lol
[01:30] <allen2003> anyways...
[01:30] <allen2003> Is kubuntu good in slow comp like Pentium 3 with 500 mb of memory?
[01:31] <emilsedgh> allen2003: there shouldnt be any problem, but if you want a very fast os, try xubuntu
[01:32] <allen2003> Ah
[01:32] <allen2003> I like the design of kubuntu
[01:32] <allen2003> heh
[01:32] <allen2003> PCLinuxOS doesn't gave me any prob
[01:32] <allen2003> maybe kubuntu will do the same
[01:32] <allen2003> :-/
[01:32] <Zsolti> what size is the ubuntu in pc?
[01:32] <allen2003> hmm
[01:32] <allen2003> I got PCLinuxOS installed in this partition
[01:32] <allen2003> and i want to put my Kubuntu..
[01:32] <allen2003> Is that possible :O
[01:33] <renecc> bonjour  tous
[01:35] <Zsolti> how much place the ubuntu need to installed??????? urgent!!!!
[01:35] <gnomefreak> Zsolti: 3gigs
[01:35] <gnomefreak> give or take
[01:36] <Zsolti> thanks
[01:36] <contrast83> Zsolti: setting up the partitions?
[01:37] <Zsolti> yes
[01:37] <gnomefreak> Zsolti: that is the minimum requerments, you still need room for the stuff you install plus a swap partition is always great to have
[01:39] <Zsolti> thanks
[01:39] <renecc> bonjour  tous
[01:40] <Meta> I have two hard drives and I can't figure out how to find the second one. It's quite urgent since I have backups on that hard drive and I specifically need a photo for legal purposes.
[01:40] <contrast83> Zsolti: if you have the space to spare, 10 gigs is a safe bet for the root partition (/), then another partition for /home that's big enough to hold all your personal files
[01:41] <Meta> And I've normally only used Ubuntu
[01:41] <contrast83> Meta: Did you check in /media ?
[01:41] <Zsolti> We are in school :S
[01:41] <Zsolti> :)
[01:42] <Meta> Yep, there's only removable media in there
[01:42] <Zsolti> pcs are very old shit
[01:42] <contrast83> Zsolti: oh ok. well, 1 gig should suffice (that partition still has to hold personal settings, etc.). you don't *have* to set a different partition for it, but it makes things a lot easier when upgrading/reinstalling
[01:43] <contrast83> Meta: Run "kcontrol", then click System Administration at the bottom, then Disk & Filesystems
[01:44] <Meta> It's in /dev/ Thanks
[01:44] <contrast83> Meta: It'll let you define a mount point for it from there... No problem
[01:45] <Meta> Alright... um, how do I do that?
[01:45] <Zsolti> thank you for help
[01:46] <contrast83> no problem
[01:46] <contrast83> Meta: one sec...
[01:47] <Meta> k
[01:47] <contrast83> Meta: Click Administrator Mode -> password -> Click New -> fill in the information
[01:48] <contrast83> Meta: Is this other hard drive an internal one?
[01:48] <Meta> Yep
[01:48] <Meta> Where do you suggest I mount it?
[01:48] <contrast83> Just FYI, next time you reinstall, you should be able to define a mount point for it from there
[01:49] <contrast83> Meta: Whereever you want. I don't think there's any stipulation on that
[01:49] <Meta> I installed from LiveCD, never done that before.
[01:49] <contrast83> Meta: Are you mainly using it to contain personal data?
[01:49] <Meta> Ummm, any suggestions?
[01:49] <Meta> Yep.
[01:50] <Meta> But at the moment I'm trying to retrieve some data from it for the police, coz Windows crashed yesterday
[01:51] <contrast83> Meta: I would just put it in /home/yourname/Extra or something like that
[01:51] <contrast83> Does it mainly contain one type of data?
[01:51] <Meta> Ummm, not quite sure, sorry.
[01:51] <contrast83> Because then you might want to make it /home/yourname/Pictures or whatever
[01:52] <Meta> Probably not
[01:52] <contrast83> How big?
[01:52] <Meta> 18GB
[01:52] <Meta> Or, 20GB
[01:52] <Meta> Its got backups in it
[01:52] <contrast83> Ohhh
[01:52] <contrast83> Forgot that part. Heh
[01:53] <Meta> Okay, mounted and everything
[01:53] <Zsolti> I got error message
[01:53] <contrast83> You did check Enable at startup and Writeable, right?
[01:53] <Meta> Sweet, it worked. Thankyou! =D My mum will be very happy with that
[01:53] <contrast83> Zsolti: What was it?
[01:53] <contrast83> Meta: Np
[01:54] <Zsolti> grub-install (hd0) give a mistake
[01:55] <Meta> Uh oh...
[01:55] <Meta> Hopefully it's not just restore points. -.-
[01:56] <Zsolti> bye
[01:56] <contrast83> Zsolti: Could you go back to the partitioning step, pick manual partitioning, and pastebin what the partition tables look like from there
[01:56] <Zsolti> I found the mistake
[01:56] <Zsolti> thanks
[01:57] <Zsolti> ok
[01:57] <Zsolti> bye
[01:57] <contrast83> oh ok. cool. peace
[02:00] <Meta> Question, are .chk files able to be opened in any way in Linux? Or are they just a strictly Windows thing?
[02:01] <Meta> Grrrr, brb. -.-
[02:14] <shanky> I have had a problem during and apt-get upgrade
[02:14] <shanky> and now I can't update the apt-get repositories
[02:15] <shanky> I'm getting this sort of messages:
[02:15] <shanky> http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[02:16] <contrast83> shanky: You might try this...
[02:16] <contrast83> !aptfix | shanky
[02:16] <ubotu> shanky: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:16] <Jucato> hm... might not be a related problem
[02:16] <contrast83> That's what I was thinking
[02:16] <contrast83> But I'm not sure what else to suggest. :-\
[02:23] <Harrowed> shanky: Could also be the Repository had a bad update and the main HASH fails.  Sorry unsure on release process and authentication method :(
[02:27] <Phlogi> I downloaded kubuntu dvd, but I can't install thunderbird, is it on the cd?
[02:28] <USMarine> probably not
[02:28] <USMarine> remove the cd source from sources.list
[02:28] <USMarine> apt-get update
[02:28] <Phlogi> can anyone give me a link for documentation how to install mp3 support,flash and such bad software on kubuntu?
[02:28] <Jucato> CD? nope
[02:28] <USMarine> apt-get install thuerbird
[02:28] <Jucato> it's in the DVD though
[02:28] <Jucato> (it should be)
[02:28] <Phlogi> USMarine: I have not yet internet there
[02:28] <LjL> !restricted > Phlogi    (Phlogi, see the private message from Ubotu)
[02:29] <Phlogi> LjL: thanks
[02:29] <USMarine> " such bad software" ?
[02:29] <Phlogi> flash is bad software actually :D
[02:29] <contrast83> i.e. non-free
[02:29] <Phlogi> so thunderbird should be on dvd? in which repo?
[02:29] <Phlogi> i mean which category?
[02:29] <Jucato> main
[02:29] <USMarine> bad software? lol
[02:29] <LjL> !info thunderbird
[02:29] <ubotu> Package thunderbird does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:29] <LjL> ehm
[02:29] <Phlogi> ubotu: why not?
[02:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about why not? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:29] <contrast83> lol
[02:29] <Jucato> what?
[02:29] <Phlogi> I installed feisty btw
[02:30] <Jucato> Phlogi: that's a bot
[02:30] <LjL> because i gave the package name wrong, and ubotu is a bot
[02:30] <Phlogi> ;)
[02:30] <Jucato> !info mozilla-thunderbird
[02:30] <ubotu> mozilla-thunderbird: Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0.7.04 (feisty), package size 10660 kB, installed size 29752 kB
[02:30] <Jucato> there
[02:30] <Phlogi> strange... its mising on the dvd then? =) I found the language files btw but not thunderbird itself
[02:31] <Jucato> maybe you just missed it. it should be there. try "mozilla-thunderbird"
[02:31] <USMarine> Phlogi apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[02:31] <Phlogi> I tried and I'm sure its not there... I even searched for mozilla
[02:31] <Harrowed> kesudo > sudo! :D All hail KDE!
[02:31] <Phlogi> however, thats not the main problem I have. I'll move on
[02:32] <Phlogi> ntfs3g should be no problem?
[02:32] <Harrowed> ntfs-3g
[02:32] <Jucato> Harrowed: except kdesu isn't for non-GUI utilities/apps :)
[02:32] <Harrowed> Phlogi: medibuntu.org