[05:11] <kandarpk> lfaraone: around ?
[12:40] <dfarning> neeraj, good morning
[12:40] <neeraj> dfarning: good morning :)\
[12:40] <neeraj> dfarning: how are u ?
[12:40] <dfarning> neeraj, nice job getting the SRU accepted
[12:41] <neeraj> dfarning: all credit goes to lfaraone for being patient and explaining the things to me :)
[12:42] <dfarning> neeraj,  I am good, needed to take a break last night.... I need to find a pace I can sustain for the next couple of years without burning out:)
[12:42] <dfarning> neeraj, what is you plan for today?
[12:43] <neeraj> dfarning: I was planning to start reading about reading about networking(Background On Collaboration)..
[12:43] <dfarning> +1.
[12:44] <neeraj> dfarning: also I was waiting for lfaraone so that we can finish SRU task. (I am not sure whether I need do anything after uploading the patches on LP)
[12:45] <dfarning> neeraj, I am not sure either.
[12:49] <kandarpk> dfarning: Good Morning :)
[12:50] <dfarning> kandarpk, good morning, I was just emailing you:)
[12:50] <dfarning> I finally got the documentation build script to work correctly.
[12:50] <dfarning> kandarpk, how did you hacking go yesterday?
[12:51] <kandarpk> dfarning: didn't succeed but learnt more than I did on following the steps Luke provided
[12:52] <kandarpk> for packaging other activities
[12:52] <dfarning> kandarpk, +1
[12:53] <kandarpk> dfarning: I'll mail you, Manu sir the error reports and steps followed
[12:53] <dfarning> great,
[12:54] <dfarning> kandarpk, what do you have planned for today?
[12:54] <kandarpk> dfarning: will try to work on sunjammer
[12:55] <kandarpk> dfarning: is everything set up ?
[12:55] <kandarpk> dfarning: and D-Bus
[12:55] <dfarning> kandarpk,  I think so.
[12:55] <kandarpk> dfarning: what do I need to do ?
[12:55] <dfarning> kandarpk, It is now in production at /srv/www-sugarlabs/apimaster please delete the stuff in your home dir on Sunjammer.
[12:56] <dfarning> kandarpk, build-docs.sh is the build script that you need to run to rebuild the documentation -- it take about 20 minutes.
[12:57] <kandarpk> dfarning: I'll delete that.
[12:57] <kandarpk> dfarning: can we see the result online ?
[12:57] <dfarning> kandarpk, sphinxconf/ contains all of the .rst files and conf.py that you set up by hand.
[12:58] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok.
[12:58] <dfarning> kandarpk, results are at http://api.sugarlabs.org/
[12:59] <dfarning> kandarpk,  we need to ceate a nice index.html for that page.
[12:59] <dfarning> kandarpk, I fix the README file to reflect that changes.
[12:59] <kandarpk> dfarning: the sphinx documentation isn't there, its the epidocs one right now
[13:00] <dfarning> kandarpk, hmmm I modified so you can chose either type of documentaion from there.
[13:01] <kandarpk> dfarning: how can we do that ?
[13:01] <kandarpk> dfarning: to see HTML  pages generated by sphinx
[13:02] <dfarning> kandarpk, can you just click on the sphinx link?
[13:02] <dfarning> it will take you to
[13:02] <dfarning> http://api.sugarlabs.org/sphinx/
[13:04] <kandarpk> dfarning: I could not find the link
[13:05] <kandarpk> dfarning: anyways, what changes are required in index.html ?
[13:05] <kandarpk> dfarning: how should it look like ?
[13:07] <dfarning> kandarpk, I have not figure that out yet.... just a page to introduce and link to the two types of document.  The we can use the build script to put in in the correct place.
[13:07] <kandarpk> dfarning: Ok.
[13:10] <dfarning> kandarpk, are there things you want me to prepare or task to set up for the team?   I was going to create the next two colloboration lessons.... anything else right now?  I will probobly fall a 1.5 days behind while traveling so I need to get a bit ahead:)
[13:12] <kandarpk> dfarning: please mail me the steps I'll need to follow to modify the documentation as well
[13:12] <kandarpk> dfarning: I'll try to make some changes
[13:14] <dfarning> kandarpk, changes to the docstrings will require modifying the code, submitting a patch to sugar-devel, and rebuilding the documentation after the code has been committed.
[13:16] <dfarning> kandarpk, changes to the .rst stubs you make can be done directly in sphinxconf/
[13:16] <kandarpk> dfarning: Ok, thats nice.
[13:17] <kandarpk> dfarning: and where is the script that runs to build the pages ?
[13:17] <dfarning> kandarpk, It is now in production at /srv/www-sugarlabs/apimaster/build-docs.sh
[13:18] <kandarpk> dfarning: do I have the access to it ?
[13:19] <dfarning> kandarpk, I think so.  Just log into sunjammer and cd to that dir.... you are a member of the group apimaster.  I something does not work please let me know so I can fix the permissions.
[13:20] <kandarpk> dfarning: I am working on Debian right now.
[13:20] <kandarpk> dfarning: shall I let you know after sometime, if you'll be around ?
[13:21] <dfarning> kandarpk, ok, I'll try to be here for the next 5 hours.
[13:21] <kandarpk> dfarning: Ok, thats great :)
[13:22] <kandarpk> dfarning: I am following the steps to package sugar.
[13:22] <kandarpk> dfarning: will mail you the error reports soon.
[13:23] <dfarning> kandarpk, great. Do you use gmail?  I found it very handy when I started to switch between several OSs and computers!
[13:24] <kandarpk> dfarning: I have a gmail account gmail ( kandarp89 )
[13:25] <kandarpk> dfarning: how does it help in using different OSs ?
[13:27] <dfarning> kandarpk, As long as a browser work in the OS, gmail will work.  Often if I do something in one version of Ubuntu and need the result in another version, I just email it to myself as a file attachement.
[13:29] <kandarpk> dfarning: nice, that is what I do if I find some interesting links when working from some other machine.
[13:31] <kandarpk> dfarning: http://paste.ubuntu.com/465448/
[13:32] <kandarpk> dfarning: it has some steps I followed to package sugar
[13:32] <kandarpk> *initial steps
[13:34] <kandarpk> dfarning: now, running $ git merge upstream-release-tag gives:
[13:34] <kandarpk> fatal: 'upstream-release-tag' does not point to a commit
[13:34] <dfarning> kandarpk, I don't know... will have to ask luke or jonas
[13:35] <kandarpk> dfarning: Ok.
[13:45] <kandarpk> dfarning: why do we use -u here :
[13:45] <kandarpk> git-import-orig --pristine-tar --keyid=4AE3FF0B -u ''0.89'' ../sugar_0.89.1.orig.tar.bz2
[13:46] <kandarpk> upstream version ?
[14:19] <dfarning> kandarpk, I don't know:(
[14:19] <kandarpk> dfarning: np :)
[14:20] <dfarning> kandarpk, do you have tasks for everyone to work on?
[14:20] <kandarpk> dfarning: Manu sir is back, so we'll have no problems
[14:20] <dfarning> kandarpk, ok
[14:22] <kandarpk> *will be back after logging into USR.
[14:35] <kandarpk> dfarning: I need to remove all folders from my home dir. at sunjammer ?
[14:36] <dfarning> kandarpk,  I like to remove unused copies of stuff so I don't get confused.
[14:37] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok, everything except public_html
[14:37] <dfarning> kandarpk, +1
[14:37] <kandarpk> dfarning: by the way, the public_html still cant be accessed online
[14:38] <dfarning> kandarpk, bernie will be coming back from vacation today.... I'll ask him soon about that.
[14:38] <kandarpk> dfarning: thanks
[14:38] <kandarpk> rm: remove write-protected regular file `sphinx/sugar-jhbuild/.git/objects/pack/pack-34eb4c1e09a6167a3c8fbbf62264b7998494d0f0.pack'?
[14:39] <kandarpk> dfarning: maybe you ran sphinx ?
[14:40] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes, I ran jhbuild in your dir so you would not have to worrry about setting it up..... that is when I noticed that we would have to run in on a build machine.
[14:41] <dfarning> kandarpk, one moment I'll fix it.
[14:41] <kandarpk> dfarning: I'll delete it, just wanted to confirm
[14:42] <dfarning> kandarpk, all the permission should be fine.
[14:48] <kandarpk> dfarning: at what time will the automatic documentation generating script run ?
[14:51] <dfarning> kandarpk, I have not set up the cron job yet.... I would like to run it manually the first couple of times to make sure it works as expected.  When you are satisified that it workes, we can create a cron job to run once a day.
[14:51] <kandarpk> dfarning: running manually should be OK for now, as we haven't made the rst files yet
[15:04] <kandarpk> *I'll be back in 20 min
[15:36] <kandarpk> dfarning: may I run the script to see how it works ?
[15:37] <dfarning> kandarpk, sure.  It will just look like it is sitting there for between 10 and 30 minutes.  Then the command prompt will return.
[15:38] <kandarpk> dfarning: does it generates epydocs documentation too on changing .rst files ?
[15:40] <dfarning> kandarpk,  I am not sure what you mean by .rst files.  As I understand it the .rst stubs point to modules in the .py code.  and the changes to the docstrings will happen in the .py files.
[15:44] <kandarpk> dfarning: the format of .rst files/stubs present in sphinxconf directory decide the appearance/listing of various modules in the HTML pages
[15:45] <kandarpk> dfarning: for eg if we want to change the heading on http://api.sugarlabs.org/sphinx/
[15:45] <kandarpk> from sugar-activity to foo, we only need to change the index.rst
[15:46] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes every time the script is run it will copy the contents of sphinxconf/ to the buildmachine and merge them into the source tree.
[15:48] <kandarpk> dfarning: we can avoid generating epydoc documentation if only rst files are changed
[15:51] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes, go into the file api-remote.sh and put a comment # infront of the epydoc stuff at line 27 to 41
[15:51] <kandarpk> dfarning: Ok.
[15:53] <kandarpk> dfarning: I do not have write permissions
[15:54] <dfarning> kandarpk, :) one moment
[15:55] <dfarning> kandarpk, I added you.... I think.  Can you test.
[15:56] <kandarpk> dfarning: sure
[15:57] <kandarpk> dfarning: Found a swap file by the name ".api-remote.sh.swp"
[15:57] <dfarning> kandarpk, chose the option to delete it.
[15:58] <kandarpk> ok
[15:59] <kandarpk> dfarning: done
[16:00] <dfarning> kandarpk, and another userful thing is to comment out the two jhbuild lines if you are just testing formating stuff.
[16:01] <kandarpk> dfarning: hmmm, that is required to update the source
[16:01] <kandarpk> dfarning: wont be needed here
[16:02] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes that update the source but the .rst files are copied and merged in  a seperate step.
[16:03] <kandarpk> dfarning: hmmm
[16:03] <kandarpk> dfarning: you've already commented them ?
[16:04] <dfarning> kandarpk, I must have done that while testing:)
[16:05] <kandarpk> dfarning: permission denied due to rsync
[16:05] <kandarpk> dfarning: http://paste.ubuntu.com/465500/
[16:08] <dfarning> kandarpk, Ok I screwed something up.
[16:08] <kandarpk> dfarning: wait
[16:09] <kandarpk> dfarning: I have stopped jobs, what does that mean ?
[16:09] <kandarpk> I had used Ctrl-Z to stop ./build-docs.sh
[16:10] <kandarpk> dfarning: I can't logout now :(
[16:10] <dfarning> kandarpk, you will need to type exit twice.
[16:12] <dfarning> kandarpk, please see http://www.unixguide.net/linux/linuxshortcuts.shtml under process control
[16:13] <dfarning> Ctrl-Z puts a job in the background and Ctrl-C stops it.  (usually)
[16:14] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok, one of my friends didn't had this knowledge.
[16:15] <kandarpk> dfarning: now I am sure I do not have the permissions
[16:15] <dfarning> kandarpk, does ctrl-Z stop jobs in windows? I hit it instead of ctrl-C by mistake.
[16:16] <kandarpk> dfarning: not sure.
[16:17] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes, I have to figure out how to give you authorization to switch users to apimaster to run the script.  It depends on using apimasters ssh key to establish the connection to the remote build machine.
[16:18] <kandarpk> dfarning: Ok.
[16:18] <kandarpk> dfarning: by the way, Ctrl-Z on windows is EOF.
[16:20] <kandarpk> dfarning: does that mean that only few users can execute the script ?
[16:20] <kandarpk> dfarning: right now, it must be only you ?
[16:21] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes, I had though that anyone in the apimaster group could execute the script... I made it group executable.... but I forgot about the ssh connection.
[16:23] <dfarning> kandarpk, because it uses, ssh only the user 'apimaster' can run the script.  I need to figure that out.
[16:23] <kandarpk> dfarning: why do we need a remote authentication using ssh ?
[16:25] <dfarning> kandarpk, because the build process is complicated, CPU intensive, and error prone we don't want to run it on sunjammer the primary server.  Instead we pass the job a remote build machine.
[16:27] <kandarpk> dfarning: and pass the identity of the primary server along ?
[16:29] <dfarning> kandarpk, we pass the identity of the apimaster user because there is no way to machines in the Sugar Labs without ssh.  It is a system wide security measure.
[16:30] <dfarning> ^^no way to log into machines
[16:30] <kandarpk> dfarning: got it
[16:31] <dfarning> kandarpk, I need to ask bernie how to set this up so that the documentation team can switch users to apimaster.
[16:34] <kandarpk> dfarning: np
[16:34] <dfarning> kandarpk, he is in the air so I won't be able to fix it for a couple of hours.  Usually, I just try things and see if they work, but when it come to security I try to ask an expert before I start changing random stuff:)
[16:37] <kandarpk> dfarning: please let me know when I can start working on it.
[16:37] <kandarpk> dfarning: I should be here for next 3 hrs.
[16:37] <dfarning> kandarpk, ok.
[16:39] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: around ?
[16:43] <kandarpk> dfarning: why do connection names in D-Bus and telepathy represent a path like /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Connection/cm/proto/account
[16:43] <bernie> dfarning: I'm around. what do you need?
[16:43] <kandarpk> bernie: hi
[16:43] <bernie> dfarning: (boarding on a plane to sao paolo soonish)
[16:43] <bernie> in 1h
[16:43] <bernie> kandarpk: oi!
[16:44] <bernie> kandarpk: regarding your question... it's an odd naming convention established by the original dbus designers. quite ugly if you ask me.
[16:45] <kandarpk> bernie: I thought it was something regarding file locations as we cannot pass pointers.
[16:46] <kandarpk> my assumptions will ruin me!
[16:47] <bernie> kandarpk: pointers as in C pointers to memory locations?
[16:47] <bernie> kandarpk: it's generally not possible with any IPC mechanism
[16:48] <bernie> kandarpk: because the virtual address space of one process is totally disjoint from those of other processes
[16:48] <kandarpk> bernie: yes, I understand that pointers are not an option
[16:48] <bernie> kandarpk: what do you need to pass? and for what purpose?
[16:49] <kandarpk> bernie: how does this location-like connection name help in identifying the object ?
[16:49] <kandarpk> bernie: I have the understanding that we pass these names along with the messages
[16:50] <kandarpk> correct me if I am wrong
[16:50] <bernie> kandarpk: it's a unique name.   it's usually a reverse internet domain name of whover designed the dbus client, followed by the name and other internal stuff
[16:50] <bernie> kandarpk: dbus clients usually provide documentation about their internal structure: objects, methods, parameters, etc.
[16:51] <bernie> kandarpk: yes, you use the dbus paths along with parameters. it looks like some kind of Remote Procedure Calll mechanism
[16:51] <bernie> kandarpk: to experiment quickly, there's a dbus-send command line tool
[16:52] <bernie> kandarpk: anything you could do from python, you can also do from the command line, faster.
[16:52] <kandarpk> bernie: great.
[16:53] <kandarpk> bernie: can you please provide links to some tutorials where D-Bus codes are used for explanation instead of theory about its working
[16:54] <bernie> kandarpk: full documentation of dbus is here: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus
[16:55] <bernie> kandarpk: I suggest skimming through the docs and then looking for the specific docs of the client you want to talk with
[16:55] <bernie> kandarpk: whic is...?
[16:55] <kandarpk> bernie: actually I've just started to study about D-Bus right now
[16:55] <kandarpk> nothing specific
[16:57] <kandarpk> bernie: and about the problem dfarning and I were having in running the script build-docs.sh at /srv/www-sugarlabs/apimaster on sunjammer
[16:58] <kandarpk> bernie: ssh verification is done to run the script on a remote machine
[16:59] <kandarpk> bernie: dfarning has made the script group executable but I still do not have permission to run it due to rsync
[16:59] <dfarning> bernie, how do I set up sudoers so kandarpk can run a script as the user apimaster?
[17:01] <dfarning> kandarpk,  I need to get lunch. will be back soon.
[17:01] <kandarpk> dfarning: sure :)
[17:04] <manusheel> kandarpk: Yes, I am around.
[17:14] <bernie> dfarning: where's the script?
[17:21] <bernie> dfarning: is kandarpk in group apimaster?
[17:21] <bernie> dfarning: yes he is
[17:23] <bernie> dfarning: I did not change anything, it works already: if I become kandarpk and type: "sudo -u apimaster ls" , the command gets executed as user apimaster
[17:23] <bernie> dfarning: note: you can't use sudo over a non-interactive ssh session
[17:23] <bernie> kandarpk: ^
[17:30] <kandarpk> bernie: I do not have root privilages
[17:30] <kandarpk> bernie: I think that is why I am not able to run the script
[17:31] <kandarpk> bernie: the errors I am getting on running the script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/465500/
[17:33] <bernie> kandarpk: you don't need root privileges for "suso -u apimaster" from your user
[17:34] <kandarpk> bernie: sorry, my fault, read suso as sudo :(
[17:38] <kandarpk> bernie: what command do I need to use to run /srv/www-sugarlabs/apimaster/build-docs.sh ?
[17:39] <kandarpk> running suso -u apimaster gives
[17:39] <kandarpk> -bash: suso: command not found
[17:44] <bernie> kandarpk: sorry, my typo. it's "sudo", but you don't need to be root because there's a line in /etc/sudoers allowing members of group apimaster to become user apimaster
[17:44] <bernie> kandarpk: try this: sudo -u apimaster /srv/www-sugarlabs/apimaster/build-docs.sh
[17:45] <kandarpk> bernie: perfect :)
[17:45] <kandarpk> bernie: thanks.
[17:49] <kandarpk> dfarning: Do we know the relative location of python source files ( under sugar-jhbuild ) ?
[17:50] <kandarpk> dfarning: *relative to index.rst
[17:50] <kandarpk> it is required to show the source codes.
[17:58] <kandarpk> dfarning: in case I am not online, path used in activity_src.rst.
[18:01] <kandarpk> bernie: around ?
[18:02] <dfarning> bernie, thanks
[18:05] <dfarning> bernie, I arrive  tuesday afternoon.  I will send my itinerary to you and rgs_ tomorrow morning.  I bought the ticket through orbitz (my first time) and they have change the intinary twice:)
[18:05] <dfarning> kandarpk, did the script work correctly?
[18:05] <kandarpk> dfarning: yes
[18:05] <kandarpk> :)
[18:06] <kandarpk> dfarning: by the way, most part of the script is commented out right now
[18:07] <dfarning> kandarpk, great now we need to figure out the relative paths.  do you have sugar-jhbuild installed on a local machine?
[18:07] <dfarning> kandarpk, :) it must run pretty fast.
[18:07] <kandarpk> dfarning: took like 2 min.
[18:07] <kandarpk> dfarning: yes, I have jhbuild installed
[18:09] <dfarning> kandarpk, I set it up so the .rst files are in sugar-jhbuild/install/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar
[18:10] <kandarpk> dfarning: didn't get that
[18:11] <kandarpk> dfarning: you have changed the location in activity_src.rst ?
[18:11] <dfarning> kandarpk, see http://pastebin.org/402871
[18:13] <dfarning> the contents of sphinxconf/ are copied to  sugar-jhbuild/install/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar
[18:14] <kandarpk> dfarning: we don't need to do that
[18:14] <dfarning> kandarpk, where do you want them?
[18:14] <kandarpk> dfarning: open activity_src.rst
[18:17] <kandarpk> dfarning: to show the source code in HTML pages, the path mentioned in it is to be changed
[18:17] <dfarning> kandarpk, the way you had it set up we had to manually copy the modules each time we updated from git.
[18:18] <kandarpk> dfarning: aren't the codes stored on the same machine ?
[18:21] <dfarning> kandarpk, if you want you can move them? or else just remove the '../src' from the begining of each path.
[18:23] <dfarning> kandarpk, line 25 of api-remote.sh copies the contents of the sphinxconf/ dir.
[18:23] <dfarning> neeraj, how are you coming?
[18:24] <neeraj> dfarning: I did went through the links
[18:24] <neeraj> dfarning: But i will take some time in completely understanding all things
[18:24] <kandarpk> dfarning: I am not sure how much I understood that
[18:25] <dfarning> neeraj, for colloboration?
[18:25] <neeraj> dfarning: I was reading about details of D-BUS
[18:26] <dfarning> neeraj, we will start looking at code examples soon so it will make more sense.
[18:26] <neeraj> I read the floss-manual which just give a overview of it.
[18:26] <neeraj> dfarning: brb,, helping ankur with deb file testing on debian
[18:29] <dfarning> kandarpk, activity_src.rst  it looks in the dir '../src/activity/activity.py' by copying the .rst files to the sugar/ dir all you need is 'activity/activity.py' in the path
[18:29] <kandarpk> dfarning: will the script still work ?
[18:32] <dfarning> kandarpk,  it should. As long as the the path in the .rst file points to the correct .py file it will work.
[18:32] <kandarpk> wont it read rst files from sphinxconf ?
[18:36] <dfarning> kandarpk, see line 44 of api-remote.  It is running sphinx directly from sugar-jhbuild/install/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar
[18:39] <kandarpk> dfarning: have you changed the script or it was same before as well /
[18:39] <kandarpk> ?
[18:42] <dfarning> There was not a script before.... I based it on the instructions you sent.  I don't remember where the code was relative to the .rst files in you instructions.
[18:43] <kandarpk> dfarning: let me check if it works
[18:57] <kandarpk> dfarning: it works :)
[19:58] <kandarpk> dfarning: good night
[19:59] <manusheel> dfarning, kandarpk: Great.
[19:59] <manusheel> Glad to hear.
[19:59] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hi
[20:00] <kandarpk> I was about to leave.
[20:00] <manusheel> kandarpk: So, we are all set with the system, right?
 kandarpk: So, we are all set with the system, right?
[20:02] <manusheel> kandarpk: I wrote this at the same time when you left.
[20:02] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes sir
[20:03] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: running the script does generate the desired output :)
[20:04] <manusheel> kandarpk: That is simply wonderful. So, now our focus will be on doc strings, right? Will you like to try inserting a test doc string, and see if we get the output in the desired format.
[20:04] <manusheel> ?*
[20:04] <manusheel> kandarpk: Very neat.
[20:04] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: let me check if I can find where the source code is placed
[20:04] <manusheel> kandarpk: So, now we can focus on core modules, sub-modules, their classes, variables, etc.
[20:04] <manusheel> kandarpk: sure.
[20:08] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Sir, I think the source is placed on some remote machine
[20:09] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: but changing the rst files do changes the output HTML pages
[20:11] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: dfarning should know more about it.
[20:11] <manusheel> kandarpk: That is unfortunate.
[20:12] <manusheel> So, changing the rst files is not changing the output of HTML pages?
[20:13] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: it is changing the HTML
[20:13] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: but I have access to rst files only, so cant change the docstrings
[20:14] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, that means you cannot insert docstrings?
[20:14] <manusheel> kandarpk: This access is important to us.
[20:14] <manusheel> kandarpk: Without this, we'll not be able to add explanation for classes, variables and methods.
[20:15] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hmmm.
[20:15] <manusheel> kandarpk: Did you try inserting the test doc string, and it said permission denied?
[20:16] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: sir, the script made by dfarning runs on a remote machine
[20:16] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: and it seems the source is present on that system
[20:16] <kandarpk> REMOTESRV="<IP_ADDRESS>"
[20:16] <kandarpk> REMOTEACCT="dfarning"
[20:18] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok.
[20:19] <manusheel> Thank you.
[20:19] <manusheel> kandarpk: Will discuss this, and get back to you soon.
[20:19] <manusheel> kandarpk: Should be easy to work upon. We just need access to source machine.
[20:19] <manusheel> We can insert doc strings from there.
[20:20] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes sir.
[20:23] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great.
[20:23] <manusheel> kandarpk: Will get back to you soon on this.
[20:23] <manusheel> kandarpk: Was Luke around today?
[20:24] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: No sir, he couldn't come.
[20:25] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, absolutely fine, Kandarp. We'll touch base with him tomorrow on sugar-base and sugar core packages.
[20:25] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: sure, my error report is ready
[20:26] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, great. Are you comfortable going through it?
[20:26] <manusheel> kandarpk: Send me the logs too.
[20:26] <manusheel> kandarpk: Let me go through it, today night.
[20:26] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I am not sure if the steps I followed were correct
[20:27] <manusheel> kandarpk: Please write the steps in a txt document too.
[20:27] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: it was all hit and trial.
[20:27] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok.
[20:27] <kandarpk> mailing you.
[20:27] <manusheel> kandarpk: Still, send me the steps, and I'll have a look.
[20:36] <kandarpk> manusheel, manusheel_ sir: I should leave now.
[20:38] <kandarpk> was waiting for dfarning to come.
[20:39] <manusheel_> kandarpk: Sure.
[20:39] <manusheel_> Take good night rest, and you can start working tomorrow.
[20:39] <kandarpk> manusheel_ sir, neeraj : Good night.
[20:40] <manusheel_> kandarpk: I think you forgot
[20:40] <manusheel_> to attach the logs.
[20:40] <manusheel_> kandarpk: Good night.
[20:40] <neeraj> kandarpk sir, good night
[20:40] <kandarpk> manusheel_ sir: the file has the commands run and the output generated
[20:41] <kandarpk> manusheel_ sir: will that be ok ?
[20:41] <manusheel_> kandarpk: Sure.
[20:42] <kandarpk> Good night.
[20:42] <manusheel_> I think that is perfectly alright, and easier to browse too.
[20:42] <manusheel_> kandarpk: Good night.
[21:25] <dfarning> manu ping
[23:12] <lfaraone> dfarning: neeraj doesn't need to do anything.
[23:12] <dfarning> lfaraone, :) what is on his task list?
[23:12] <lfaraone> dfarning: not sure.
[23:12] <lfaraone> dfarning: but the SRU has been fixed.
[23:13] <lfaraone> dfarning: should I have him investigate the issues Edward Cherlin (sp?) reported with flipsticks, log, and sliderpuzzle in Lucid?
[23:13] <dfarning> lfaraone, Ahh I misunderstood.
[23:14] <lfaraone> dfarning: once he submitted the patches, I applied them to the package, uploaded to ubuntu's ftp archive, and am currently waiting for archive admin / ubuntu-sru approval.
[23:16] <dfarning> lfaraone, how about having neeraj work on getting the process of syncing the Debian packages in to 10.10?  Then we will try to backport the from 10.10 to 10.04.
[23:17] <lfaraone> dfarning: if you think that's useful, sure. He'll need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess (using "requestsync"), and learn how to test packages in pbuilder.
[23:18] <dfarning> lfaraone, do you think there is a better process?
[23:18] <lfaraone> dfarning: nah. the alternative is to have me do it :)
[23:19] <lfaraone> dfarning: I (or another MOTU) will still have to review his requests. The review will be very easy if he includes a build log (from using pbuilder to build the package), since then I won't have to try and build the package myself.
[23:19] <lfaraone> dfarning: should I write an email explaining how to do so?
[23:19] <dfarning> lfaraone, yep.  Let's have neeraj start on that.
[23:20] <dfarning> lfaraone, yes please.
[23:20] <dfarning> lfaraone, but be sure that you don't cross post it:)
[23:20] <lfaraone> dfarning: yessir.
[23:21] <dfarning> lfaraone, how the the reviews/ fixes coming?
[23:21] <lfaraone> dfarning: I've been on vacation this weekend, so I haven't had a chance to do anything since Friday morning.
[23:21] <dfarning> lfaraone, I think that you and jonas spending time together at debconf will be great.
[23:22] <lfaraone> dfarning: and this afternoon we have a family cookout, so although I'll try to get some stuff done today the first time I'll really be "online" and focused will be tomorrow morning.
[23:22] <lfaraone> dfarning: yeah. as soon as I get my schedule together,  I'll talk to him about some sit-down time.
[23:22] <dfarning> lfaraone, What did you do fore vacation?
[23:22] <lfaraone> dfarning: I'm in Rhode Island for the next two weeks. We spent today at the beach getting sunburned :)
[23:23] <dfarning> lfaraone, I expect that he will want to spend much of the allocated hacking time with you.
[23:24] <lfaraone> dfarning: yeah. if I had known we'd be able to get so much work done, I would have attended DebCamp as well. (the week before DebConf)
[23:24] <dfarning> lfaraone, nice.  I have been finding it really enjoyable to work remotely while traveling.
[23:24] <dfarning> lfaraone, is it too late for Debcamp?
[23:25] <lfaraone> dfarning: well, yes. apart from the whole "you're on vacation!" aspect, I'd have to get to NYC and fund myself the entire time. The conference is funding my lodgings and food while at the Conf. proper.
[23:26] <dfarning> lfaraone, I did realize it was so soon:)
[23:27] <lfaraone> dfarning: heh. Camp is the last week of July, Conf the following. Feature Freeze is sometime early next month. Brace for a exception! :)
[23:28] <dfarning> lfaraone, If we keep the same learning rate going for the next two weeks.  August should be very productive.
[23:34] <lfaraone> well, duty calls. I'll send off a quick email then I'm off. See you tomorrow morning.


[09:25] <andersson123> bluca: I don't think we've touched base in a couple days, you shouldn't be having issues anymore with systemd upstream, is this still the case?
[09:43] <andersson123> morning bluca: no issues with systemd-upstream now, right?
[09:50] <bluca> let me check
[09:50] <bluca> andersson123: still completely broken, same as last week
[09:51] <bluca> same error 500 "A server error occurred.  Please contact the administrator."
[09:51] <bluca> there was no successful trigger since last tuesday when I first reported the issue
[09:58] <bluca> andersson123: is there anything I can do? Do you need more info or details? thanks
[10:19] <andersson123> same error?
[10:21] <bluca> yes, no difference, just retried just now
[14:12] <andersson123> bluca: on my list of things to look at, still fixing another issue right now, I'll let you know when I get to yours :)
[14:13] <bluca> cool, thank you
[17:22] <andersson123> bluca: can you confirm the errors you're still seeing are the exact same as before? We made some changes which I really thought would work, so I just want to confirm
[17:41] <bluca> andersson123: yes same error 500 "A server error occurred.  Please contact the administrator."
[17:41] <bluca> tried just now


[11:25] <odat> i can not find a solution to the nvidia kernel api mismatch
[11:25] <odat> nothing in the forums work
[11:26] <Abdo> I finish "apt-get install bittorrent " , but none command worked :(
[11:27] <odat> i can not find a solution to the nvidia kernel api mismatch
[11:29] <maxamillion> odat: please do not double post, if someone is knowledgable of your issue they will respond
[11:29] <maxamillion> Abdo: i don't know much about torrents :/
[11:31] <maxamillion> odat: it sounds like somewhere along a package upgrade or something there was a mis-match, what i would recommend is "sudo aptitude purge nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common" and then "sudo aptitude update" "sudo aptitude upgrade" "sudo aptitude clean" "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx" ... in theory that should resolve version mismatches
[11:32] <maxamillion> odat: its an unfortunate annoyance, but it is technically fix-able
[11:33] <odat> maxamillion, well i tried the purg of nvidiaglx and kernel common but not the rest of it
[11:34] <maxamillion> odat: the reason i say to do that is because that way you will completely update your apt-cache, upgrade your system, then clean out all previously downloaded packages from your archives and then re-install the packages fresh from the repo servers
[11:34] <odat> ahhh gotcha
[11:37] <maxamillion> odat: well ... its approaching 5am here and i need some sleep, its been a long night of coding and i have a long day of coding to look forward to so i will bid you good night and the best of luck
[11:37] <maxamillion> odat: i will be back here tomorrow so if that doesn't help we can excercise other options
[11:37] <maxamillion> night all!!!
[02:05] <ozzyparrot> anyone operate dual monitors?
[02:16] <joachimheck> hi everybody, is here someone having geonext installed on xubuntu?
[02:24] <thingy> Is there an easier way to add launchers to the panels? I want to add items from the XFCE Application menu to the Panel, without having to create individual launchers and fill out the details.
[02:28] <totalwormage> i fear not
[02:29] <thingy> hmm ok
[02:37] <Shin_Gouki> hello there!
[02:37] <Shin_Gouki> i got a problem with xubuntu ttext install!
[02:38] <Shin_Gouki> it install upto 85% htne says: xubuntu-desktop installed, but then its seems ...."hangs" :/
[02:38] <Shin_Gouki> 1. can i resume the install? 2. the pc is conenctet to the internet, can i boot with the alternate cd and then do the install via intert?
[02:46] <hyper_ch> Shin_Gouki: did you check whether you cd is defect?
[02:46] <hyper_ch> and how long did it hang?
[02:47] <Shin_Gouki> yes
[02:47] <Shin_Gouki> i checked the cd
[02:47] <Shin_Gouki> it says
[02:47] <Shin_Gouki> ok1
[02:47] <Shin_Gouki> !
[02:47] <Shin_Gouki> i dont know longer then 5 mins..?
[02:48] <Shin_Gouki> should i try "install CLI" system?
[02:48] <hyper_ch> Shin_Gouki: what computer have you got?
[02:48] <hyper_ch> it could be that it hangs for 5min
[02:48] <hyper_ch> did the computer still do something?
[02:48] <Shin_Gouki> its celeron 2,5 ghz, 256 mb ram which 32 shared mem gfx
[02:49] <Shin_Gouki> neither the pc nroe the cd rom :/
[02:49] <hyper_ch> little ram for such a fast processor
[02:49] <Shin_Gouki> can i resume thet install? what should i do?
[02:49] <hyper_ch> you can't resume the install
[02:49] <Shin_Gouki> repair?
[02:49] <hyper_ch> nope... you tried sofar with the desktop-cd?
[02:50] <Shin_Gouki> is it possible to enable some kind of log for the instal so i can see if it still is doing somehting?
[02:50] <Shin_Gouki> desktop cd was even worse..+
[02:50] <hyper_ch> dunno about log
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> netboot/mini.iso never fails
[02:51] <Shin_Gouki> how long should i wait ?
[02:51] <Shin_Gouki> neboot mini.iso?
[02:51] <h3sp4wn> there is a log use alt + f4 to get to a shell
[02:51] <Shin_Gouki> what is this?
[02:51] <Shin_Gouki> nice!
[02:51] <Shin_Gouki> thats a good advice!
[02:52] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: you're proficient with color-laser printers?
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> Not at all
[02:52] <Shin_Gouki> ^^
[02:52] <hyper_ch> !hardware
[02:52] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[02:54] <Shin_Gouki> h3sp4wn how do i get back?
[02:54] <Shin_Gouki> from shell?
[02:55] <hyper_ch> I'm undecided between a Dell 3110 and a Xerox Phaser 6100
[02:56] <Shin_Gouki> ahhh can some one tell me how to switch back from shell -> to text installer?
[02:56] <Shin_Gouki> @h3sp4wn how do i get back?
[02:57] <h3sp4wn> alt + 1
[02:57] <Shin_Gouki> alt+ F 1
[02:57] <Shin_Gouki> :)
[02:57] <Shin_Gouki> ok
[02:58] <Shin_Gouki> those command should be mentioned during install process!!
[02:58] <h3sp4wn> They are
[02:58] <h3sp4wn> (at least on debian)
[02:58] <Shin_Gouki> ??? were?
[02:58] <Shin_Gouki> :)
[02:58] <Shin_Gouki> i didn't instal debian for aaa looong time
[02:58] <h3sp4wn> Maybe it makes things simpler for people without knowing
[02:58] <Shin_Gouki> they think so
[02:59] <Shin_Gouki> :)
[02:59] <h3sp4wn> Fine if it works but it seem to not do alot
[02:59] <Shin_Gouki> right..
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> find anything useful ?
[03:00] <Shin_Gouki> if it fails this time i do a CLI install and then but XFCE on top! :O
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> You are better off doing it that way I would say
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> (much less stuff running in the background)
[03:00] <Shin_Gouki> 3 times to 85%! everytime about 30 mins.. -_-
[03:00] <Shin_Gouki> im so sick i jut want linux ^^
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> You are the 3rd person I know of to complain of that
[03:01] <Shin_Gouki> y if it just finish the install i would be very happy :)
[03:01] <h3sp4wn> (apparantly it takes about 40mins to finish from that point)
[03:01] <Shin_Gouki> because the others use desktop cd anyway
[03:01] <Shin_Gouki> and the "few" text install users
[03:01] <Shin_Gouki> like u said( debain) have for sure some "pre" experiences
[03:02] <h3sp4wn> 05:55 < BFTD> it freezes at 85%
[03:02] <Shin_Gouki> y
[03:02] <Shin_Gouki> it says: finished installing xubuntu-desktop
[03:02] <Shin_Gouki> that nothing :/
[03:02] <Shin_Gouki> *then
[03:02] <h3sp4wn> are you using a mixture of sata and ide ?
[03:03] <Shin_Gouki> the hd i want to install is a IDE
[03:03] <Shin_Gouki> but i use a USB cd rom....
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> apparantly it will finish (but take 40mins) probably that would be a similar issue
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> s/probably/possibly
[03:06] <Shin_Gouki> O_O
[03:06] <Shin_Gouki> u say
[03:06] <Shin_Gouki> when it reahes the 85% it will take from that point 40 mins?
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> That is what the last person said
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> (dunno whether its true)
[03:07] <Shin_Gouki> im ok with that IF the
[03:07] <Shin_Gouki> but the shell( alt+F4
[03:07] <Shin_Gouki> should do somehting then right?
[03:08] <h3sp4wn> I don't know - I think it appeared to stall
[03:09] <Shin_Gouki> but it shouldn#t right?
[03:09] <h3sp4wn> Definately not
[03:09] <Shin_Gouki> ok
[03:10] <h3sp4wn> there was no release candidate ever made for feisty
[03:10] <Shin_Gouki> its now about 6% i call u in about 15 mins ;)
[03:10] <h3sp4wn> in the interest of releasing on time I guess this wasn't tested
[03:10] <Shin_Gouki> something like: it worked before , why should we test?
[03:12] <h3sp4wn> I don't know exactly - but the release candidate was late and instead of the release candidate and delaying the release for a week then they just pushed out the release
[03:15] <Shin_Gouki> hm, ok
[03:15] <Shin_Gouki> ot: do u think x.org 7.3 will be a big positive change for desktop linux?
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> I don't think it will make much difference
[03:16] <Shin_Gouki> imo , there are quite a lot people which have problems with editing their xorg.confs
[03:17] <Shin_Gouki> if u have a secure , working failback mechanism that would be nice ?
[03:18] <h3sp4wn> I think there is more important things to get right
[03:18] <Shin_Gouki> which would be?
[03:18] <h3sp4wn> fonts
[03:19] <Shin_Gouki> hmm im not too deeply into this but i can tell that theres something not completly working with fonts in lunux
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> a 1987 acorn has better anti aliasing than linux has now
[03:19] <ToHellWithGA> so i'm working on installing xubuntu feisty on a very old machine and the boot graphics with the side-to-side scrolling status bar are zoomed way in
[03:19] <ToHellWithGA> i think the screen on this laptop is 640x480
[03:19] <ToHellWithGA> is that normal?
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> I have never seen a laptop with a resolution that low
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> how old exactly ?
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> 386 ?
[03:20] <ToHellWithGA> pentium, 166MHz
[03:20] <ToHellWithGA> oldish :)
[03:20] <Shin_Gouki> ->  a 1987 acorn whats that?
[03:20] <ToHellWithGA> the only way i got it to read a CDR was to burn the disc at 4x
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> Shin_Gouki: manufacturer of computers
[03:20] <Shin_Gouki> hmm ok
[03:21] <h3sp4wn> Shin_Gouki: mac and windows in terms of general just performance is still ahead
[03:21] <h3sp4wn> Shin_Gouki: desktop rendering performance
[03:21] <Shin_Gouki> y i think ur right...
[03:21] <Shin_Gouki> :(
[03:21] <Shin_Gouki> linux in tems of design is always split up
[03:22] <Shin_Gouki> becaus eis quite bound to its server roots
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> sgi should opensource there version of X
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> ToHellWithGA: using the alternative cd ?
[03:22] <ToHellWithGA> live actually
[03:22] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:22] <ToHellWithGA> if live doesn't boot, i'll try alternative
[03:23] <Shin_Gouki> as far as i know
[03:23] <ToHellWithGA> it's on the way to booting ok though
[03:23] <ToHellWithGA> .me knocks on wood
[03:23] <Shin_Gouki> sgi is in money trouble so they wont do ;)
[03:23] <h3sp4wn> Shin_Gouki: I don't know whether they legally could
[03:24] <h3sp4wn> Shin_Gouki: but if you compare - accererated X and Xorg (on a radeon 9250 all specs available) you will know that xorg is not optimal
[03:24] <ToHellWithGA> * Starting GNOME Display Manager...                [OK]
[03:24] <ToHellWithGA> yay!
[03:24] <Shin_Gouki> hmmm
[03:24] <Shin_Gouki> @h3sp4wn its with 85!
[03:25] <h3sp4wn> 85 ?
[03:25] <h3sp4wn> 8500 ?
[03:25] <h3sp4wn> ToHellWithGA: how much ram have you got ?
[03:25] <Shin_Gouki> 85%
[03:25] <Shin_Gouki> and it says on the console:
[03:25] <h3sp4wn> ack
[03:26] <ToHellWithGA> 192M
[03:26] <Shin_Gouki> could not look up"security.ubuntu.com
[03:26] <ToHellWithGA> it's huge
[03:26] <ToHellWithGA> 8M is shared with the video card
[03:26] <ToHellWithGA> 4G drive
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> that will be alright
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> (I was expecting 32mb or something)
[03:26] <ToHellWithGA> so i figure i'll have about no swap/home space
[03:26] <ToHellWithGA> but the machine will rock out a lot
[03:31] <Shin_Gouki> h3sp4wn how long will it try to contact those security pages?
[03:36] <Shin_Gouki> ?
[03:36] <ToHellWithGA> yay!  installer just started up
[03:37] <Shin_Gouki> "in-target: could not look up"security.ubuntu.com""
[03:37] <Shin_Gouki> that its says....
[03:37] <h3sp4wn> Shin_Gouki: I don't know it never happened to me
[03:37] <Shin_Gouki> ok!
[03:38] <Shin_Gouki> hmm ^^
[03:38] <Shin_Gouki> maybe its my fault... during the install it asked me somehting about:
[03:38] <Shin_Gouki> if i want to dodwnload something additional, and i said yes...
[03:39] <Shin_Gouki> but still there should be no, NO INFINITI! loop, or am i wrong?
[03:40] <Shin_Gouki> i think he goes through complete sources.list
[03:40] <Shin_Gouki> must be finish sooon!!!
[03:40] <ToHellWithGA> partitioner starting :D
[03:40] <ToHellWithGA> i'm so amped
[03:40] <ToHellWithGA> this is gonna work
[03:42] <Shin_Gouki> ok
[03:43] <Shin_Gouki> h3sp4wn thx for ur help and all!! i hope this tiem it will go through, if not i come back cya :)
[03:46] <ToHellWithGA> formatting :D
[03:53] <ToHellWithGA> if i ever find the network card (PCMCIA) for this machine i'll put beryl on it
[03:54] <ToHellWithGA> 8 MB video card
[03:59] <ToHellWithGA> 35%
[04:10] <ToHellWithGA> 56%!
[04:23] <ToHellWithGA> 74%
[04:23] <h3sp4wn> do we care (or are we supposed to ?)
[04:26] <illu45> Could someone reccommend an xfce theme for me?
[04:32] <ToHellWithGA> i'm so excited h3sp4wn
[04:32] <ToHellWithGA> it's been like a day in the making
[04:32] <Catoptromancy> heh
[04:32] <ToHellWithGA> getting this machine to actually accept a disc long enough to install
[04:33] <ToHellWithGA> at least i've had some really chill music while fighting this installation
[04:33] <ToHellWithGA> i'd have given up by now without relaxing music to soothe me when things repeatedly break and fail
[04:48] <ToHellWithGA> victory!
[04:48] <ToHellWithGA> .me reboots and begins testing
[04:50] <ToHellWithGA> any idea what RSDP is?
[04:50] <ToHellWithGA> i get an error about it not being located
[04:51] <ToHellWithGA> but everything else seems to be starting ok
[04:51] <feta> after i have installed a software package under symantec, the software disappears from sight. it does not create an icon or a shortcut. how am i supposed to find such an application?
[04:51] <ToHellWithGA> s/symantec/synaptic/ ?
[04:51] <feta> oh yes, synaptic
[04:51] <ToHellWithGA> no idea, man
[04:51] <ToHellWithGA> perhaps if you edit your main menu you can pick it as visible/hidden
[04:52] <ToHellWithGA> i know i could do that in GNOME
[04:52] <illu45> ToHellWithGA, try running the program through ALT + F2
[04:52] <ToHellWithGA> i'm not having any trouble running the program
[04:52] <ToHellWithGA> still booting for the first time
[04:52] <ToHellWithGA> the RSDP thing is a boot time error between grub and the splash screen
[04:52] <h3sp4wn> feta: dpkg -L packagename
[04:53] <illu45> er, sorry, feta, try running with ALT + F2
[04:53] <h3sp4wn> feta: (probably be in /usr/bin (or /usr/sbin)
[04:53] <ToHellWithGA> .me logs in
[04:53] <feta> h3sp4wn: cannot i make xubuntu to automatically create a shortcut?
[04:53] <h3sp4wn> feta: no clue
[04:54] <h3sp4wn> its up to the maintainer of the package whether they want a shortcut or not
[04:54] <ToHellWithGA> feta: automatic may not be possible
[04:54] <ToHellWithGA> making launchers is pretty trivial if you can find the name of the program
[04:54] <illu45> Yes, you'll probably have to do it yourself
[04:54] <ToHellWithGA> you could put one in your applications menu or on your desktop or panel
[04:54] <feta> linux doesn't seem very user-friendly.
[04:54] <ToHellWithGA> feta: linux is pretty user-friendly
[04:55] <ToHellWithGA> xfce is a little harsher than some other things
[04:55] <ToHellWithGA> recall that all the software your using is free and was relatively easy to install
[04:56] <feta> ToHellWithGA: some people work with developing xubuntu
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> ok
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> hey yall, i don't have any panels
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> feta: it always has been user friendly (just picky about who its friends are) - old joke
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> i can make a launcher to launch a terminal but i don't know where to get panels
[04:57] <illu45> ToHellWithGA, try running xfce-panel
[04:58] <illu45> er, xfce4-panel
[04:58] <ToHellWithGA> ok
[04:58] <feta> another question: how, under xubuntu, can i modify advanced printing options, such as printing 4 pages on 1 page, when i wish to print something on paper?
[04:59] <illu45> feta, I would imagine that you would do that using the program you are using to print, rather than in xubuntu itself
[04:59] <ToHellWithGA> feta: that's probably decided by the hp linux imaging/printing stuff
[04:59] <ToHellWithGA> which is installed by default using xubuntu
[04:59] <illu45> ToHellWithGA, any luck with the panels?
[04:59] <ToHellWithGA> illu45: still making the terminal launcher
[04:59] <ToHellWithGA> this box is old :D
[04:59] <illu45> ah, hehe, all right :)
[04:59] <illu45> what are the specs?
[05:00] <ToHellWithGA> 192M ram, 4G hdd
[05:00] <feta> ToHellWithGA: under windows, i am given that opportunity by hp drivers and software.
[05:00] <ToHellWithGA> i'm going to lshw to find the cpu info
[05:00] <h3sp4wn> ToHellWithGA: what is wrong with /proc/cpuinfo
[05:00] <ToHellWithGA> feta: hp makes the printing suite for linux
[05:01] <illu45> ToHellWithGA, wow... that *is* old
[05:01] <h3sp4wn> gp only makes the suit for its drivers
[05:01] <ToHellWithGA> h3sp4wn: nothing is wrong with it.  i just didn't know it existed
[05:01] <h3sp4wn> s/suit/suite
[05:01] <ToHellWithGA> h3sp4wn: it works for non-hp printers though
[05:01] <ToHellWithGA> it's a nice tool to have
[05:01] <h3sp4wn> ToHellWithGA: It doesn't
[05:01] <feta> ToWellWithGA: what do you mean by 'the printing suite'?
[05:02] <h3sp4wn> cups is not hplip
[05:02] <ToHellWithGA> pentium 2, 300 MHz, 512 kB cache
[05:02] <ToHellWithGA> 600.9 bogomips
[05:02] <ToHellWithGA> i have 5600 bogomips on this computer
[05:02] <ToHellWithGA> that's a bit of a different
[05:02] <ToHellWithGA> s/ent/ence/
[05:03] <h3sp4wn> Its not meaningful bogomips though
[05:03] <h3sp4wn> (hence the bogo) other than checking the timer is right
[05:03] <ToHellWithGA> that's not meaningful?
[05:03] <ToHellWithGA> oh
[05:03] <ToHellWithGA> is there a rocking flops checker?
[05:04] <h3sp4wn> You need to test useful workloads
[05:04] <ToHellWithGA> illu45: thanks man, that launched panels
[05:04] <ToHellWithGA> now i'll be sure to have it save my session on the way out and it should keep doing that
[05:04] <Shin_Gouki> hi
[05:04] <Shin_Gouki> re
[05:05] <Shin_Gouki> i have a question!
[05:05] <Shin_Gouki> how do i change refresh rate
[05:05] <Shin_Gouki> within xubuntu?
[05:05] <h3sp4wn> Shin_Gouki: it worked ?(eventually ?)
[05:05] <h3sp4wn> Shin_Gouki: xrandr ?
[05:05] <Shin_Gouki> yes it worked!!!!
[05:05] <Shin_Gouki> :D
[05:06] <Shin_Gouki> but now there are a couple of problems :/
[05:06] <Shin_Gouki> 1 st its only at 60hz
[05:06] <Shin_Gouki> monitor
[05:06] <ToHellWithGA> Shin_Gouki: applications->settings->settings manager->display
[05:06] <Shin_Gouki> sooo ugly1!
[05:06] <Shin_Gouki> display setting
[05:06] <h3sp4wn> Shin_Gouki: lcd panel ?
[05:07] <Shin_Gouki> ok i got there: default
[05:07] <Shin_Gouki> no
[05:07] <Shin_Gouki> its crt
[05:07] <Shin_Gouki> thats why 60hz hurt my eyes!
[05:07] <h3sp4wn> true
[05:07] <Shin_Gouki> but this menu -_-
[05:07] <Shin_Gouki> guess i HAVE to edit the x org conf?
[05:08] <kludge> can i run xubuntu live off the alternate install cd?
[05:08] <h3sp4wn> I just find it easier to make my own xorg.conf
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> kludge: no
[05:08] <kludge> its on a pc with 128 ram
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> alternate is not live
[05:08] <h3sp4wn> (It ends up alot less cluttered)
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> live cd is live
[05:08] <kludge> ok
[05:08] <kludge> cool
[05:08] <illu45> Shin_Gouki, if you can't find an option that is less than 60 Hz in the menu, then probably yes
[05:08] <illu45> Try looking here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> if you want to run from the CD, get the live cd.  if you want to install, the alternate should work
[05:08] <Shin_Gouki> i have 4 entrys in this great menu:thx
[05:08] <Shin_Gouki> thx illu
[05:09] <Shin_Gouki> i look it up!
[05:09] <Shin_Gouki> O_O
[05:09] <Shin_Gouki> so many?
[05:09] <Shin_Gouki> ...
[05:09] <illu45> hm?
[05:09] <kludge> ToHellWithGA: ok. i can download the live cd iso i assume?
[05:10] <Shin_Gouki> why does xubuntu dont have an gui editor for this?
[05:10] <illu45> Shin_Gouki, I don't think that any DE has a GUI Editor for editing the Xorg.conf
[05:10] <ToHellWithGA> kludge: yeah bud
[05:10] <Shin_Gouki> linux is for sure in the stone age j/k
[05:10] <Shin_Gouki> ^^
[05:10] <ToHellWithGA> want me to dcc you a torrent?
[05:10] <kludge> ToHellWithGA: sure thanks!!
[05:11] <Shin_Gouki> ok another problem
[05:11] <Shin_Gouki> network!
[05:11] <Shin_Gouki> the pc is an dhcp env
[05:11] <Shin_Gouki> its got ip and DNS via dhcp
[05:11] <Shin_Gouki> yet fire fox doesnt work, ideas?
[05:11] <ToHellWithGA> if that dcc doesn't work, i can just drop the .torrent in my apache root and let you get it there
[05:11] <ToHellWithGA> d'oh
[05:13] <ToHellWithGA> defjux/kludge
[05:13] <ToHellWithGA> did that dcc send work?
[05:13] <Shin_Gouki> hmm whats the default sudo password in xubuntu?
[05:14] <ToHellWithGA> Shin_Gouki: there is no default
[05:14] <ToHellWithGA> it is your user password
[05:14] <Shin_Gouki> so i just hit enter?
[05:14] <ToHellWithGA> so you set it at install time
[05:14] <Shin_Gouki> ah i see
[05:14] <ToHellWithGA> like if my user is "ryan" and the password for "ryan" is "yourmom", the sudo password is "yourmom"
[05:15] <illu45> o.O
[05:15] <illu45> ...that's the first thing you came up with?
[05:15] <ToHellWithGA> illu45: i know that password is not secure, sorry
[05:15] <ToHellWithGA> actually "Y0ur_mom"
[05:15] <illu45> lol
[05:16] <defjux> yah.. i pretty much ToHellWithGA i think it didnt but i can find it. :) i will be back. ;)
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> defjux: jussasec
[05:16] <Shin_Gouki> -_-
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> i can just copy it to my apache server
[05:17] <Shin_Gouki> when i edit the x org conf
[05:17] <defjux> ok
[05:17] <Shin_Gouki> the entry for my monitor can i simply change the value vor "VertREfresh"?
[05:17] <Shin_Gouki> or do i need to create some other entrys before editing?
[05:18] <ToHellWithGA> http://thestonepedo.dyndns.org/files/xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[05:18] <defjux> thanks ToHellWithGA :)
[05:18] <ToHellWithGA> please tell me if the link doesn't work so i can fix permissions if i need to
[05:18] <h3sp4wn> why torrent not http or ftp ?
[05:19] <defjux> ToHellWithGA: it works :)
[05:19] <ToHellWithGA> it's pretty-well seeded
[05:19] <ToHellWithGA> i have a slow connection so i was happy with it coming at like 70k/s
[05:20] <h3sp4wn> I think there is no point in torrents
[05:20] <illu45> h3sp4wn, why?
[05:20] <h3sp4wn> (transparant proxying by the isp means you will almost always get better just using ftp/http)
[05:21] <illu45> h3sp4wn, yes, but torrents are mostly designed to take the load off the server itself
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> my isp doesn't limit me like that
[05:21] <h3sp4wn> you wouldn't know if they did
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> and since i don't have a fast connection, it only takes a few peoples' somewhat-fast connections to feed me at my full rate
[05:21] <defjux> my isp throttles torrents so i have to encrypt the packet headers
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> i max out at 90k/s download
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> i can get that from torrents or from ftp
[05:21] <h3sp4wn> I don't agree with using torrents if you are on a shared connection (cable/dsl)
[05:22] <ToHellWithGA> might as well use the torrent and share what little upload i have
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> trashes up other peoples connections who share with you for no reason
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> if you have a t1 or so I don't care as the bandwidth is yours
[05:23] <defjux> h3sp4wn: trashes their connections? no reason? why should we get the bandwidth we rent and use it as we please?
[05:23] <Shin_Gouki> h3sp4wn u have an idea for my "network problem"?
[05:23] <h3sp4wn> defjux: You don't pay for that bandwidth that is the point
[05:23] <Shin_Gouki> the pc has ip and dns but still firefox doesn'T work?
[05:23] <defjux> maybe isps should stop false advertising... or deliver a better product..
[05:23] <ToHellWithGA> i pay for 678k/128k
[05:23] <defjux> h3sp4wn: i pay for 300kbps down 24/7/365
[05:23] <ToHellWithGA> s/67/76/
[05:24] <h3sp4wn> defjux: leased line ?
[05:24] <ToHellWithGA> if i don't use any of it, i pay.  if i use it all i pay
[05:24] <defjux> h3sp4wn: no cable.
[05:24] <ToHellWithGA> i might as well use what i've purchased
[05:24] <h3sp4wn> defjux: cable you share with everyone on your loop
[05:24] <defjux> h3sp4wn: so my isp had better make sure we all get the service we all agreed to pay for, right?
[05:25] <h3sp4wn> defjux: Not really
[05:25] <defjux> oh. i wish they would.
[05:25] <nanousr> defjux: If you start to download/upload at full rate 24/7 your isp will likely remove your service
[05:25] <h3sp4wn> read the terms and conditions (and compare it to those of a leased line)
[05:25] <defjux> nanousr: no. they won't. i've done it for years. not right now but in the past on the same isp.
[05:25] <ToHellWithGA> i don't donate money to ubuntu or pay for support or buy fanboy gear
[05:26] <h3sp4wn> It makes little difference to ubuntu
[05:26] <ToHellWithGA> i give back by occasionally helping in IRC or editing the wiki and by helping alleviate some of the company's bandwidth costs
[05:26] <defjux> h3sp4wn: isp TOS is harsh.. i agree. its too bad their agreement isnt similiar to their advertised product...
[05:26] <ToHellWithGA> i understand they're a company out for profit like any other, but they gave me something free and i find it to have value
[05:26] <Shin_Gouki> omfg -> i go to add/remove applications and search for xchat, then it says: x chat can not be installed on your computer,
[05:26] <Shin_Gouki> :(
[05:26] <ToHellWithGA> Shin_Gouki: why?
[05:27] <ToHellWithGA> xchat should work on any computer
[05:27] <h3sp4wn> I couldn't care less about companies - I do care about making the connection worse for people local to me though
[05:27] <ToHellWithGA> i'll put it on this 300 MHz pentium 2 just for you :p
[05:27] <h3sp4wn> Shin_Gouki: sudo aptitude install irssi ?
[05:27] <Shin_Gouki> woa
[05:28] <Shin_Gouki> should sudo apt get -install work?
[05:28] <skarface> sudo apt-get install xchat
[05:28] <ToHellWithGA> or sudo aptitude install xchat
[05:28] <skarface> yes but that's just longer
[05:28] <skarface> ;)
[05:28] <ToHellWithGA> one character
[05:29] <Shin_Gouki> hmm could not find packet xchat
[05:29] <ToHellWithGA> "aptitude search" is shorter than "apt-cache search"
[05:29] <skarface> Shin_Gouki: you probably don't have multiverse
[05:29] <ToHellWithGA> Shin_Gouki: do you have the right repos?
[05:29] <Shin_Gouki> i think its because the pcs thinks its not conencted to the net...
[05:29] <Shin_Gouki> although it is!
[05:29] <nanousr> defjux: Am I correct that your cable serveice is Shaw?  If so, they have the right to limit you.  Even there best plan has a 150 GB per month transfer limit.
[05:29] <Shin_Gouki> ...what with right repos? i just did isntall , do i need to change something?
[05:29] <ToHellWithGA> nanousr: s/there/their/
[05:30] <ToHellWithGA> 150GB/month is a ton dude
[05:30] <ToHellWithGA> that's more than 10 DVDs of data both down and up
[05:30] <nanousr> Yeah, but that plan is 25 Mb per second.
[05:30] <ToHellWithGA> you'd have to be a hardcore pirate to use all that
[05:31] <nanousr> Not really, if he was uploading/downloading 24/7 he would have hit that.
[05:32] <nanousr> The content doesn't need to be illegal either.
[05:32] <h3sp4wn> aptitude search is alot easier to select groups of packages for me with than apt-cache (I guess I don't know the apt-cache regular expressions well enough - sometimes I use it though)
[05:33] <defjux> nano, thats true. i've ALSO been limited in the past to my 100 gb..
[05:33] <defjux> but there have been months where i downloaded quite a bit more before they noticed.
[05:34] <h3sp4wn> I cannot be bothered downloading movies I just buy a dvd if I want it (too much hassle)
[05:34] <defjux> im a documentary nut.
[05:34] <Catoptromancy> heh I download books, free and last longer than movies
[05:35] <defjux> Catoptromancy: how do you read them? i've found the most comfortable way to read ebooks is in a nice large font a few feet back from the monitor..
[05:36] <Catoptromancy> I use an easy read font, bold and prett big
[05:37] <Shin_Gouki> plzz i really need help on that network problem :/
[05:38] <Catoptromancy> ?
[05:38] <Catoptromancy> wireless?
[05:38] <Shin_Gouki> no
[05:38] <Catoptromancy> ndiswrapper?
[05:38] <Shin_Gouki> just pure ether net
[05:38] <Shin_Gouki> i got an ip and dns i think but still fire fox and other net apps dont work!
[05:39] <Myrtti> what kind of ip
[05:39] <Shin_Gouki> private
[05:39] <Shin_Gouki> im behind a router
[05:39] <Shin_Gouki> its a dhcp thats alright i think
[05:39] <Myrtti> 192.168.x.x
[05:40] <Shin_Gouki> y
[05:40] <Shin_Gouki> if config says so
[05:40] <Shin_Gouki> how do i check dns on command line?
[05:42] <Shin_Gouki> myrtti?
[05:42] <Howdy125> Mine shows DNS in the network Settings
[05:42] <Myrtti> well if it works, you can ping stuff with hostnames
[05:42] <Myrtti> like ping google.com etc
[05:43] <Shin_Gouki> that works !! O_O
[05:43] <Shin_Gouki> hm ok
[05:43] <Shin_Gouki> now it works..
[05:44] <Shin_Gouki> could u tell me how to install codecs and mp3 now?
[05:44] <Shin_Gouki> plz :)
[05:44] <Howdy125> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[05:48] <Shin_Gouki> :(
[05:48] <Shin_Gouki> every thing i type in sudo apt-get install XXX
[05:48] <Shin_Gouki> he says: could not find packet??
[05:50] <Howdy125> If sudo apt-get update doesn't work then I'd say you have something broken still.
[05:51] <Shin_Gouki> :O
[05:51] <Shin_Gouki> he is doin somehting!
[05:51] <Shin_Gouki> wieht the update command
[05:52] <Shin_Gouki> now
[05:52] <Shin_Gouki> it works :O
[06:13] <jaiii> anyone home?
[06:13] <jaiii> i need help
[06:14] <jaiii> :(
[06:14] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[06:14] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[06:14] <jaiii> i cant partition
[06:15] <jaiii> The ext3 file system creation in partition....failed
[06:15] <jaiii> so i am trying to fix the problem by doing this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/107259
[06:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix committed]
[06:15] <Pumpernickel> Is that with the LivdCD?
[06:15] <jaiii> yea
[06:16] <jaiii> the guide tells me to do this: Go to Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager.
[06:16] <jaiii> but there is no such thing!
[06:16] <jaiii> no "settings section" under apps
[06:18] <jaiii> same thing is listed here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/704
[06:18] <jaiii> but there is no god dam settings manager
[06:21] <Howdy125> jaiii, if you know what you're doing you may be able to just use .. sudo cfdisk .. to create your partitions.
[06:21] <jaiii> ok thanks ill give it a shot
[06:21] <Howdy125> gl
[06:22] <jaiii>  FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 7: enlarged logical partitions overlap
[06:22] <jaiii>                           Press any key to exit cfdisk
[06:23] <jaiii> :s
[06:23] <Howdy125> Hmmm .. that's over my head .. sorry
[06:24] <Pumpernickel> The control center in Gnome got nixed close to release time.  There may have been something similar that happened to the Xfce settings manager.
[06:24] <Pumpernickel> Are there entries in the menu for individual settings?
[06:24] <Pumpernickel> (I'm on Gnome now, so I can't check.)
[06:24] <jaiii> there is not settings menu
[06:24] <jaiii> no*
[06:25] <jaiii> but the thing is the bug/solution is listed under release notes for 7.04 http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/704
[06:25] <odat> anyone here
[06:26] <odat> i keep having problems with nvidia api mismatch i've tried everthing in the forums
[06:26] <BFTD> ew
[06:26] <BFTD> odat did you upgrade via fresh install or update-manager?
[06:27] <odat> BFTD, update-manager
[06:27] <BFTD> yuck, ok
[06:27] <BFTD> um
[06:27] <BFTD> did you look at the restricted drivers app?
[06:28] <odat> BFTD, yes
[06:28] <BFTD> was it there even?
[06:28] <odat> BFTD, yes
[06:28] <BFTD> and did you enable it?
[06:28] <Howdy125> jaiii, that Fatal Error you had with cfdisk is probably going to cause a problem even if you did have a Settings Manager .. :(
[06:29] <odat> BFTD, yes each time i do the xserver crashed because of the mismatfch
[06:29] <jaiii> hmm ok
[06:29] <jaiii> brb
[06:30] <BFTD> odat pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:32] <odat> BFTD, http://pastebin.ca/464589
[06:32] <odat> i'm using nv driver at the moment
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> odat: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> dpkg -l nvidia\*glx | tail -1
[06:34] <odat> NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module  1.0-7184  Tue Aug  1 18:38:58 PDT 2006
[06:34] <odat> GCC version:  gcc version 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4)
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> so that is the kernel-module for nvidia legacy
[06:35] <BFTD> ew
[06:35] <BFTD> its a GeForce4 MX 4000
[06:35] <h3sp4wn> so use 9631
[06:35] <h3sp4wn> nvidia-glx
[06:35] <BFTD> thats like one of the worst nVidia cards out there
[06:35] <odat> h3sp4wn, but when i do i get an api mismatch
[06:35] <h3sp4wn> !blacklist
[06:35] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u
[06:36] <h3sp4wn> !info nvidia-kernel-source
[06:36] <ubotu> nvidia-kernel-source: NVIDIA binary kernel module source. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:1.0.9631+<IP_ADDRESS>-15.20 (feisty), package size 1721 kB, installed size 1820 kB
[06:36] <h3sp4wn> You could remove linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[06:36] <odat> h3sp4wn, i have 9631 installed already but i'm getting a api mismatch
[06:36] <h3sp4wn> install module-assistant and do m-a a-i nvidia
[06:37] <h3sp4wn> odat: so blacklist the module you don't want
[06:38] <odat> whats a m-a ai- nvidia
[06:38] <odat> h3sp4wn, sorry man just never used that command before what does it do?
[06:41] <h3sp4wn> look for module-assistant be more useful
[06:42] <Howdy125> I'm afraid to put my nvidia card back in since I'm down to a 250 watt PS .. :-/
[06:43] <odat> h3sp4wn, so i'm in the blacklist file but not sure what to put because its an api mismatch
[06:43] <odat> NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module  1.0-7184  Tue Aug  1 18:38:58 PDT 2006
[06:44] <jaiii> back
[06:44] <odat> h3sp4wn, ?
[06:45] <jaiii> how do i find file manager
[06:46] <Howdy125> jaiii, thunar ?
[06:47] <jaiii> hold on i found out how to change the setttings
[06:48] <jaiii> so im going to try and install/partition on more time
[06:48] <Howdy125> gl
[06:48] <odat> anyone?
[06:50] <Howdy125> Wish I knew odat  .. sorry
[06:50] <nanousr> odat: Can you repeat your question?
[06:52] <odat> nanousr, i keep having problems with nvidia api mismatch i've tried everthing in the forums
[06:52] <jaiii> its working now! so far..
[06:52] <Pandimus> how do I find the path to set in .bashrc for javac?
[06:53] <h3sp4wn> Pandimus: JAVA_HOME ?
[06:53] <Pandimus> When i do javac in bash it says command notfound.
[06:53] <Pandimus> lemme try that.
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> there is more than one package providing javac
[06:54] <odat> h3sp4wn, any ideas?
[06:54] <jaiii> w00t it worked!
[06:55] <jaiii> its past the partionting stage!thanks
[06:55] <Howdy125> jaiii, cool ...
[06:55] <Pandimus> Unfortunatly ive installed so many packages.
[06:55] <Howdy125> That partitioner must be smarter than cfdisk .. :)
[06:55] <Pandimus> this is what is in my .bashrc
[06:56] <Pandimus> export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[06:56] <Pandimus> export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> and javac exists in /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java/bin
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> ?
[06:57] <Pandimus> when i look in there, there is no file called javac
[06:57] <h3sp4wn> that is why then
[06:57] <Pandimus> Thats what i kinda figured, but I untarred several packages of jdk and jre and i cant find a file called Javac
[06:58] <Pandimus> I was thinking that javac is a component of java.
[06:59] <h3sp4wn> !find javac
[06:59] <ubotu> Found: javacc
[06:59] <Pandimus> johnny@johnny-laptop:~$ !find javac
[06:59] <Pandimus> bash: !find: event not found
[06:59] <Pandimus> johnny@johnny-laptop:~$
[07:01] <Pandimus> Was that what you meant for me to do?
[07:06] <Merchelo> try which javac
[07:06] <h3sp4wn> if its not in the path which won't work
[07:06] <Pandimus> yeah it did nothing
[07:07] <Merchelo> how did you install it?
[07:07] <Pandimus> lol, I actually installed it several ways. through package manager.
[07:07] <Pandimus> I tried untaring and running the install file in terminal
[07:08] <h3sp4wn> Pandimus: Do you have the jdk installed
[07:08] <Pandimus> Ive tried doing both with jdk and jre.  Im pretty new to linux
[07:08] <Pandimus> I believe so.
[07:09] <BFTD> Pandimus I'd suggest that you stick to JRE-1.6
[07:09] <BFTD> !jre
[07:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:09] <BFTD> ?
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> You won't get javac with the jre will you ?
[07:09] <odat> i CAN NOT fix the nvidia api mismatch i tried everything in the forums
[07:10] <Pandimus> On my windows box i just use jre for my programming stuff.
[07:10] <Pandimus> !jre does nothing.
[07:10] <BFTD> !info jre
[07:10] <ubotu> Package jre does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:10] <Pandimus> Im using edgy
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> !info sun-java6-jdk
[07:10] <ubotu> sun-java6-jdk: Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 9270 kB, installed size 31240 kB
[07:11] <Pandimus> event not found again
[07:11] <h3sp4wn> sun-java6-jdk its in there
[07:12] <Pandimus> you mean javac is in there?
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> yes
[07:13] <WhackJob> Hi All. I am new to Ubuntu. Can someone tell me the differince of the AMD64 install, and the I386?
[07:14] <h3sp4wn> !amd64
[07:14] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[07:14] <odat> i CAN NOT fix the nvidia api mismatch i tried everything in the forums
[07:15] <Pandimus> I found that file in a directory called sample, can i just move it to my java directory?
[07:16] <WhackJob> I see to different downloads. One for AMD64 and on for I386.
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> WhackJob: Upto you which you use
[07:17] <WhackJob> Dose one have to use the AMD64 version if they have a AMD Chip?
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> No
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> (and if you care about - flash or the java-plugin - use i386)
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> The amd64 version needs to be on an amd64 or opteron
[07:18] <WhackJob> Thanks Kh3. Then what is the AMD64 version for?
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> WhackJob: I use it
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> and I don't care about flash or java plugin
[07:19] <WhackJob> I have a AMD64 3800 x2.
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> use amd64 if you want
[07:19] <WhackJob> I want Flash and Javs
[07:19] <WhackJob> java
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> well don't then
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> (there is nsplugin-wrapper but it is a hack)
[07:20] <WhackJob> So, If I want Java and Flash on my AMD64 3800 x2 I should use the I386 version. Correct?
[07:21] <odat> i CAN NOT fix the nvidia api mismatch i tried everything in the forums
[07:22] <h3sp4wn> Pandimus: get it working
[07:22] <h3sp4wn> ?
[07:22] <odat> how do i check what kernel module nvidia is using
[07:22] <h3sp4wn> Pandimus: You really don't want to have multiple copies of java installed
[07:22] <h3sp4wn>  /ignore odat
[07:22] <odat> h3sp4wn, your a real prick
[07:24] <Pandimus> h3, Yeah im starting to figure that out.
[07:24] <BFTD> !language
[07:24] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> Pandimus: get rid of the manually installed ones
[07:25] <Pumpernickel> odat: Did you ever install the drivers using nVidia.com's shell script installer?
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> Pandimus: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
[07:25] <odat> BFTD, what was that command you gave me to check the kernel module being used by nvidia
[07:26] <Pandimus> lemme show you something real quick
[07:26] <Pandimus> There are 3 alternatives which provide `java'.
[07:26] <Pandimus>   Selection    Alternative
[07:26] <Pandimus> -----------------------------------------------
[07:26] <Pandimus>           1    /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1
[07:26] <Pandimus>  +        2    /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/bin/java
[07:26] <Pandimus> *         3    /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[07:26] <Pandimus> Press enter to keep the default[*] , or type selection number:
[07:26] <Howdy125> odat, try scanning through some of these and you might come up with a fix .. http://www.google.com/search?q=nvidia+api+mismatch&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> Pandimus: are you using dapper ?
[07:26] <odat> Pumpernickel, i've tried everthing in the forums i've tried envy i purged, completely removed, cleaned  etc etc. nothing works
[07:26] <Pandimus> edgy
[07:26] <Pandimus> Feisty dont work with my wireless card
[07:26] <Pumpernickel> odat: Is that a yes, or a no? O.o
[07:27] <h3sp4wn> is javac in /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin
[07:27] <WhackJob> Why does'nt the AMD64 version support Java and Flash?
[07:27] <odat> Pumpernickel, yes
[07:27] <odat> Howdy125, been there down that
[07:27] <Howdy125> k
[07:27] <Pandimus> no its not
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> Pandimus: Is sun-java5-jdk installed ?
[07:28] <Pandimus> I dont think so.
[07:28] <Pumpernickel> OK, uninstall it using the shell script installer, uninstall the package(s) containing any version of the driver, clear your apt archive, update, and then install the driver from the repository.
[07:28] <Pumpernickel> That should give you a working setup.
[07:28] <Pandimus> I tried to install java6-jdk
[07:29] <odat> Pumpernickel, done that tooo i still get an api mismatch error
[07:29] <Pandimus> Remember Im a window dork and unfamiliar with how to tell what is installed and directory structures.
[07:29] <Pumpernickel> odat: In that order?
[07:29] <odat> Pumpernickel, yes
[07:29] <Pumpernickel> odd
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> Pandimus: Its now at the point where its probably in such a mess that I cannot really determine how to get rid of it
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> !backport
[07:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about backport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> I would try to get rid of it all somehow and try a backport of the feisty one
[07:31] <Pandimus> anytime you guys ask me to do anything with ! first its says event not foungt
[07:31] <h3sp4wn> they are triggers for the bot
[07:31] <Pandimus> I will uninstall everything if i can
[07:31] <Pandimus> !backport
[07:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about backport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:31] <h3sp4wn> (that seems to lose information every day)
[07:31] <h3sp4wn> There was a point where it had alot more factoids
[07:32] <Pandimus> oh, i see what you mean, i thougth i was supposed to type it in console
[07:32] <Pumpernickel> odat: Are you running the most recent kernel version?
[07:33] <WhackJob> Ubuntu/Linux is a whole other world for MS users. Looks like alot to learn.
[07:33] <Pandimus> I will try to uninstall what i can.
[07:34] <WhackJob> I would like to get away from MS someday.
[07:34] <odat> Pumpernickel, yes
[07:34] <Pandimus> Hey h3, when i go to the add remove programs and unclick all the java stuff, it says cannot uninstall because a something depends on it.
[07:35] <h3sp4wn> Pumpernickel: That is not what I wanted to know (for Pandimus to know) - There should be a factoid to explain using a deb-src line and backporting from the development version
[07:35] <h3sp4wn> Pandimus: You should keep the stuff from the repositories
[07:35] <Pandimus> one of the java things on there is 1.4
[07:36] <WhackJob> I thought this Ubuntu/Linux was so easy to install and run. Looks a lot harder now!
[07:36] <hyper_ch> WhackJob: It is easy to install
[07:36] <WhackJob> Maybe to install, but not to get running up fully.
[07:36] <odat> ?
[07:37] <Pumpernickel> odat: Which version(s) of the driver do you have installed now?
[07:38] <WhackJob> I want an OS that see all my hardware and config's it fully for me on install.
[07:38] <Pandimus> Im using synaptic to remove that stuff now, then i will try to reinstall
[07:38] <odat> Pumpernickel, 9631
[07:40] <Pumpernickel> odat: No other versions?
[07:40] <WhackJob> Is there a Driver install dis that one can use that has ALL the Linux Drivers?
[07:40] <odat> Pumpernickel, no
[07:40] <hyper_ch> WhackJob: regarding the hardware: Complain at the hardware producers that they don't offer linux drivers or that they don't have opensource drivers so that developpers can create linux drivers for them....
[07:41] <Howdy125> WhackJob, every OS has some learning curve to it.
[07:41] <hyper_ch> WhackJob: if it's not supported by the kernel then you ahve to go to the producers website if they offer something... if they only have .rpms you can convert it to .deb files...
[07:41] <hyper_ch> WhackJob: if they have source code available you can compile it
[07:41] <WhackJob> I see Khyper. Then Maybe I have to wait to that day.
[07:41] <h3sp4wn> If its kernel module and rpm you will unlikely be able to get it to work
[07:42] <hyper_ch> WhackJob: what can't you get to run?
[07:42] <WhackJob> I just want to get away fro MS so bad!
[07:42] <hyper_ch> WhackJob: why do you want to use linux?
[07:42] <hyper_ch> WhackJob: or why ubuntu?
[07:43] <WhackJob> I have tried it on more then one computer. Every computer had some probluem or another.
[07:43] <WhackJob> Tried of MS BullSh-t.
[07:44] <hyper_ch> WhackJob: what about MacOS
[07:44] <WhackJob> Not a Steve Jobs fan either.
[07:45] <Howdy125> WhackJob, what isn't working ?
[07:45] <hyper_ch> WhackJob: if you just want an easy life and fairly secure and stable system you may be better off using MacOS... however if you want to learn and understand and are patient then you may want to embrace linux :)
[07:45] <hyper_ch> WhackJob: and furthermore there are many different linux distros... some stuff works on one, not on the other... for me it was my wifi card which worked out-of-the-box that made me stay with ubuntu
[07:45] <WhackJob> One one computer it was a soundcard. On another it was WIFI on another Networkcard.
[07:46] <hyper_ch> a normal networkcard should be supported everytime....
[07:46] <hyper_ch> and for wifi there are multiple solutions that can make it work
[07:46] <WhackJob> YES!!!!! The the problem KHYER!!! They need to unite.
[07:46] <hyper_ch> why should they unite?
[07:47] <odat> no one is able to figure this out  grrrrrrr
[07:47] <WhackJob> So they have a FULLY compatable OS.
[07:47] <hyper_ch> but uniting is not the way to go
[07:47] <hyper_ch> remember: Linux is about choices
[07:47] <h3sp4wn> My os fully supports all my hardware
[07:47] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: so does mine :)
[07:47] <WhackJob> True KHYper.
[07:47] <h3sp4wn> (except one soundcard that I hope will be supported quite soon)
[07:47] <jexd> how do I delete desktop items like File System, Home, Trash, etc? they aren't in my Desktop folder. i don't want to permanently delete them, obviously (assuming destroying every vital part of your computer is bad, that is), i just don't want to have the shortcuts to them on the desktop
[07:48] <h3sp4wn> I can get the firmware to load
[07:48] <hyper_ch> WhackJob: if there was 1 linux I couldn't have installed it on my 1gb usb-pen... I want a very small distro there
[07:48] <WhackJob> I dont want to have to buy Hardware just so Ubuntu will work.
[07:48] <odat> jexd, settings, desktop settings
[07:49] <WhackJob> You have some good points Khyper.
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: grml is good on a usb-pen (I would be happy with it for my desktop also)
[07:49] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: I have DamnSmallLinux on it :)
[07:49] <WhackJob> I have used one called. SmallDammLinux.
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: I don't want 2.4
[07:50] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: (I like preempt)
[07:50] <jexd> odat, thank you :)
[07:50] <hyper_ch> anyway, I'm off to the movie theater "300"
[07:50] <WhackJob> Nice for getting into computer that will not boot.
[07:50] <jexd> eerr, odat, the Show Icons For: thing has EVERYTHING unchecked, yet they still show up....?
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> I don't think its that good
[07:51] <WhackJob> Bye Khyper
[07:51] <jexd> odat, nevermind, figured it out. thanks.
[08:01] <Pandimus> I got it.
[08:01] <Pandimus> I removed all of the old java crap, reinstalled jdk, then set path to that directory
[08:01] <h3sp4wn> Pandimus: great
[08:01] <Pandimus> thnx for ya'lls help
[08:04] <Pandimus> just outta curiosity is there a program kinda like microsofts disk management tool which will allow me to partition unused space on my drive?
[08:08] <odat> ohh good god
[08:08] <odat> still can't get it
[08:08] <h3sp4wn> maybe gparted
[08:08] <h3sp4wn> (I have no idea how to use it though)
[08:08] <h3sp4wn> I use fdisk
[08:09] <jexd> where does xubuntu save fonts? i thought it would be ~/.fonts but that doesn't seem to be the case... nor /usr/share/fonts
[08:14] <odat> anyone ?
[08:16] <Pandimus> thnx h3.
[08:16] <Howdy125> Good job opportunity .. once a year computer cleaning service ...
[08:17] <Howdy125> 4 times a year in my case .. haha
[08:37] <Shin_Gouki> hello! good evening( my side) i need help with my network setup!! anyone?
[08:43] <jexd> !ask _ Shin_Gouki
[08:43] <jexd> ermm..
[08:43] <jexd> !ask
[08:43] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:43] <jexd> thats the one.
[08:43] <Shin_Gouki> ok
[08:44] <Shin_Gouki> im in a private network
[08:44] <Shin_Gouki> i think i got ip and dns
[08:44] <Shin_Gouki> but still i cant ping other pcs
[08:44] <Shin_Gouki> but i can ping my gateway
[08:45] <Shin_Gouki> but fire fox . xchat  doesnt work
[08:46] <Shin_Gouki> ideas?^^
[08:47] <Merchelo> ifconfig tells you everything
[08:48] <Shin_Gouki> :) thank u for that clever advise :)
[08:48] <Shin_Gouki> it tells me everything is ok
[08:48] <Shin_Gouki> but apprently i cant open a web page :)
[08:48] <Shin_Gouki> i can ping my gateway
[08:48] <Merchelo> can you traceroute to somewhere outside your local network ?
[08:48] <Shin_Gouki> dns , and ip are similar to a windows pc ( which im typing here)
[08:48] <Shin_Gouki> so why its not workin??
[08:49] <Shin_Gouki> i cant ping from the linux pc to google.com
[08:49] <Merchelo> try, traceroute google.com
[08:49] <Merchelo> and it should tell you har far it goes before stopping
[08:50] <Shin_Gouki> how is the traceroute command written?
[08:50] <Shin_Gouki> -> bash saysit doesnt knwo it?
[08:51] <Howdy125> traceroute doesn't seem to be installed
[08:51] <odat> ok last time then i will never mess with ubuntu again
[08:51] <odat> the nvidia api mismatch is driving me nuts
[08:51] <BFTD> !!
[08:52] <BFTD> its 2 things
[08:52] <BFTD> 1 is you have like the worst nVidia card ever, 2 you needed to do a fresh clean install of feisty
[08:53] <odat> BFTD, fresh install yea thats a real solution
[08:53] <Shin_Gouki> :/
[08:53] <BFTD> if you made a seperate partition for /home you should be fine
[08:54] <Shin_Gouki> anyone here which can help me with a strange network problem?
[08:54] <BFTD> brb
[08:54] <Howdy125> Anyway to do that nvidia stuff running in live mode without having to reboot so he could test that way ?
[08:54] <odat> BFTD, if you get a flat tire just sell your car!
[08:56] <BFTD> ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:56] <odat> BFTD, nice try
[08:56] <Howdy125> odat, I think what he means is we can't see inside your computer to see what may have been messed up with all the things you've tried and reinstalling would be the next best thing to try.
[08:57] <BFTD> no
[08:57] <odat> is there anyway to block the 7148 module from trying to load
[08:57] <BFTD> using the update-manager is screw just like it was for dapper to edgy
[08:59] <odat> where is the .so driver stored
[09:01] <odat> ?
[09:01] <Howdy125> locate nvi*.so
[09:01] <odat> how would i completely remove anything relating to nvidia
[09:04] <odat> ?
[09:06] <Howdy125> odat, have you tried the #ubuntu channel since this isn't strictly an xubuntu issue.
[09:07] <maxamillion> odat: no luck since we last spoke?
[09:09] <odat> maxamillion, no same problem api mismatch
[09:09] <maxamillion> odat: hmm....
[09:10] <odat> maxamillion, just can't seem to get the nvidia kernel to switch over
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> the simple solution (as said earlier) is to remove linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> and build nvidia-kernel-source with module-assistant
[09:11] <odat> h3sp4wn, you asked if i had module-assitant installed i said yes and you said nothing more
[09:12] <odat> h3sp4wn, how do i get the nvidia-kernel-source to build a module?
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> I said - m-a a-i nvidia
[09:12] <tony_xubuntu_new> Hello
[09:13] <maxamillion> tony_xubuntu_new: hi
[09:14] <tony_xubuntu_new> I just loaded xubuntu
[09:14] <maxamillion> tony_xubuntu_new: congrats! welcome to our community :)
[09:16] <tony_xubuntu_new> I have an old machine that I couldn't do anything with so I thought I would give it a try.
[09:16] <maxamillion> tony_xubuntu_new: what you think?
[09:16] <tony_xubuntu_new> Its quick.
[09:16] <maxamillion> tony_xubuntu_new: we try :)
[09:16] <tony_xubuntu_new> I had ubuntu on it but it was to slow
[09:17] <maxamillion>  tony_xubuntu_new ah, yes ... ubuntu and all of its gnome libraries can tend to slow things down
[09:17] <tony_xubuntu_new> I never used Xfce but I like it.
[09:18] <odat> h3sp4wn, do i need to have the nvidia driver i want to use installed first?
[09:18] <Shin_Gouki> wow
[09:18] <Shin_Gouki> h3span
[09:18] <Shin_Gouki> !!!im with xubuntu on!!
[09:18] <h3sp4wn> odat: nvidia-glx
[09:18] <tony_xubuntu_new> Whats the best DVD player I can use?
[09:19] <odat> h3sp4wn, right now i'm using nvidia-legacy so i should remove that install nvidia-glx and then build the kernel?
[09:20] <odat> h3sp4wn, ?
[09:20] <h3sp4wn> odat: yes you can use nvidia-glx
[09:20] <h3sp4wn> (just not nvidia-glx-new
[09:20] <maxamillion> tony_xubuntu_new: yeah, i actually run xfce on an athlon64 x2 4600+ just because i like it better, not so much because i need the extra speed
[09:20] <odat> h3sp4wn, before or after i build the kernel like you told me too (which i already did)
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> doesn't matter
[09:21] <odat> h3sp4wn, sweet let me try it
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> You can use the ubuntu kernel
[09:21] <tony_xubuntu_new> maxamillion: The machine I'm on is a PII 333 with 256 mgs RAM
[09:21] <maxamillion> tony_xubuntu_new: oh yeah, perfect Xubuntu machine
[09:21] <maxamillion> tony_xubuntu_new: i have 2gb of ram :P
[09:22] <maxamillion> tony_xubuntu_new: but i am at work and they spoil me with nice hardware here, my home machine isn't as nice ... but its still a 64-bit processor with 1gb of ram and it runs xfce because, well ... i just like it better :)
[09:23] <tony_xubuntu_new> I thought it was trash until now. I have a 3ghz P4 that I use for my video camera that I bringing up to 3 gigs of ram.What do you think about playing DVDs on this machine?(PII)
[09:24] <tony_xubuntu_new> Do I pick Gnome or KDE for Xfce?
[09:25] <maxamillion> tony_xubuntu_new: xfce hands down ... KDE is slower than gnome
[09:25] <pleia2> I'm not convinced dvds will play well on it
[09:25] <h3sp4wn> kde is not slower than gnome
[09:25] <tony_xubuntu_new> maxamillion: I mean in Add/Remove programs.
[09:25] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: yes, yes it is
[09:25] <maxamillion> tony_xubuntu_new: huh?
[09:26] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: maybe kubuntu is slower than ubuntu
[09:26] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: no, stock KDE vs. stock Gnome is slower on a vanilla install
[09:26] <tony_xubuntu_new> When I want to add programs. Which do I pick Gnome or KDE?
[09:26] <odat> h3sp4wn, didn't work
[09:27] <maxamillion> tony_xubuntu_new: ohhhh, pick neither if you can get around it ... look for a "gtk" version, but if not then chose gnome over kde
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> kde has the best apps
[09:27] <tony_xubuntu_new> Gotcha. I'm looking for a media player.
[09:27] <odat> h3sp4wn, something about nvidia installer failed to start
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> (and they are written in C++ for the most part not scripting languages)
[09:28] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: kde has some good apps, yes ... i can't deny that
[09:28] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: the only time I have really tested it was on a 256mb laptop
[09:28] <h3sp4wn> dapper with gnome / kanotix with kde
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> kanotix was so much faster it was untrue
[09:30] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: isn't kanotix based on knoppix and isn't it just a live cd?
[09:30] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: Nah it (was) based on sid
[09:30] <odat> h3sp4wn, ?
[09:30] <h3sp4wn> both installed to disk
[09:31] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: but its made to be live, and i assume they do the same things Knoppix does in respect to speed (i don't know how they pull it off, but Knoppix's KDE is just as fast as Xfce)
[09:32] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: I had both of them at the same time
[09:32] <h3sp4wn> (and I was dist-upgrading kanotix - from sid)
[09:32] <h3sp4wn> and it stayed the same
[09:33] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: sid is stupid fast anyways ... but neither here nor there, i have read benchmarks that show cpu usage and memory consumption of both doing the same tasks and KDE is slower
[09:34] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: I have read stuff that says the opposite
[09:35] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: honestly, i don't care to have this conversation because i don't use either because i think they both suck equally reguardless of performance
[09:36] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: kde fails because they want to have one super application do everything and gnome fails because they think everyone is an idiot
[09:37] <odat> geez it just wont work
[09:37] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: I don't use either also but - there is FUD on both sides
[09:37] <maxamillion> fud?
[09:37] <odat> i guess i will stick with the legacy drivers its useless
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> fear uncertainty and doubt
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> (hard to find unbiased stuff)
[09:38] <maxamillion> true true
[09:39] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: thats another big issue with all the "camps" of open source is that nobody will get anywhere because of their obligation to their "camp"
[09:39] <maxamillion> obligation/loyalty
[09:54] <odat> h3sp4wn, you still here?
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> nope
[10:28] <odat> anyone have any idea at all why the heck the api is different
[10:30] <maxamillion> odat: what graphics card do you have?
[10:30] <odat> maxamillion, mx4000
[10:40] <LoneShadow> anyone encypted thier whole rootfs ?
[10:40] <maxamillion> LoneShadow: nope ... but i have heard of it being done
[10:40] <LoneShadow> just made a bootable 1GB USB flash drive with a copy of feisty livecd :D
[10:40] <maxamillion> nice
[10:40] <maxamillion> brb
[10:41] <LoneShadow> pretty nice, now I gotta figure out how to make it an encypted version
[10:41] <odat> this is friggin bull
[10:41] <odat> not of this friggin crap works
[10:41] <LoneShadow> no it is not
[10:41] <odat> piece of sh**
[10:41] <LoneShadow> lol
[10:41] <LoneShadow> calm down :D
[10:41] <LoneShadow> whats not working ?
[10:42] <odat> i have an nvidia api mismatch that i've been working on for days i've tried everything in the book
[10:42] <LoneShadow> whats the nvidia api for
[10:42] <LoneShadow> ?
[10:44] <LoneShadow> did you try the latest beta drivers from nvidia.com ?
[10:44] <odat> erggg nevermind
[10:44] <maxamillion> LoneShadow: it appears to be an oddity with the installation from the reposiories ... we have been working on it for some time now
[10:45] <maxamillion> brb
[10:45] <LoneShadow> oh
[10:48] <maxamillion> LoneShadow: well, we have been working with odat on his ... i don't know of anyone else having the issue, but just from the symtoms it seems like there was a problem with the package he installed from the repositories
[10:48] <maxamillion> .... brb again
[10:48] <LoneShadow> ok
[10:49] <Pumpernickel> odat: Did you get the memo I left you?
[10:49] <sulle> i got a dream this night, that i was able to help the open source comunity. and when i woke up i was 100% tuned in to go and help the open source community. but i have now realized i have nothing to help with..... =/ sad i tell you. SAD.
[10:50] <odat> Pumpernickel, yes and i tried that already  remember i've been all over the forums and google
[10:50] <odat> Pumpernickel, i tried envy
[10:50] <godless> !wifi
[10:50] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:50] <odat> i've built the module myself nothing works
[10:50] <sulle> i got a dream this night, that i was able to help the open  source comunity. and when i woke up i was 100% tuned in to go  and help the open source community. but i have now realized i  have nothing to help with..... =/ sad i tell you. SAD.
[10:50] <maxamillion> sulle: join the Xubuntu documentation team ... we need help there
[10:50] <sulle> sry for repost
[10:51] <odat> if its not one xserver error its another
[10:51] <sulle> maxamillion: url ? :p
[10:51] <odat> the only thing that work consistently is the legacy driver
[10:53] <odat> ?
[11:00] <maxamillion> sulle: uhmm... sorry, i was away from my keyboard ... lemme get you a link
[11:00] <sulle> okko
[11:01] <maxamillion> sulle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted?action=show&redirect=DocteamGettingStarted
[11:01] <sulle> maxamillion: where r u from+
[11:01] <maxamillion> sulle: Texas
[11:01] <sulle> Ok, nice :D
[11:01] <maxamillion> sulle: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdamMiller <---that's me
[11:02] <sulle> cool cool :D
[11:03] <maxamillion> sulle: the Xubuntu docs are held in the same repositories as the Ubuntu docs so once you get started just navigate to the xubuntu branch and help us out :)
[11:03] <sulle> okok:P
[11:13] <odat> maxamillion, you still there?
[11:13] <odat> check this out
[11:13] <maxamillion> odat: shoot
[11:14] <odat> if i sudo nvidia-glx-config enable when the xserver is already running through nv with the nvidia-glx driver installl
[11:14] <odat> i hit ctrl alt backspace and restart the xserver and the 9631 nvidia driver loads (black nvidia splash) but if i then restart i get the api mismatch error
[11:15] <odat> ?
[11:16] <odat> ?
[11:17] <maxamillion> odat: what's your xorg.conf look like and /etc/modules look like?
[11:18] <odat> i have no /etc/modules
[11:19] <odat> maxamillion, i have no /etc/modules
[11:21] <odat> maxamillion, u there?
[11:21] <maxamillion> odat: you have a /etc/modules ... you have to
[11:21] <maxamillion> odat: wait .. nvm, that doesn't apply to this issue
[11:34] <Asauce> I have a question.
[11:34] <maxamillion> !ask | Asauce
[11:34] <ubotu> Asauce: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:35] <maxamillion> Asauce: what's up?
[11:35] <Asauce> Howcome, after booting up the Xubuntu 7.04 LiveCD, I do not get the bars at the top and the bottom?
[11:35] <Asauce> That, and I get an error when installing
[11:36] <Asauce> Regular Ubuntu installs fine.. but when I begin to install Xubuntu, it says "The ext3 filesystem could not install on HD1" or something to that extent
[11:36] <maxamillion> Asauce: there might be a problem when it mounts ramfs ... when it gets to the liveCD desktop hit Alt+F2 and a run dialog will pop up, enter "xfce4-panel &" into it (without the quotes) and click "run" and you should get your panels
[11:37] <maxamillion> Asauce: hmmm... is it a dual boot or xubuntu the only OS going to be on it?
[11:37] <Asauce> Xubuntu is the only OS going to be on it.
[11:37] <Asauce> I've even tried totally wiping the hard drive clean before running the disc
[11:37] <Asauce> and that didn't work.
[11:37] <maxamillion> strange ...
[11:38] <Asauce> Indeed.
[11:39] <atarinox> can somebody recommend a good vpn client?
[11:39] <Pumpernickel> Could be another example of bug 107259.
[11:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[11:39] <maxamillion> atarinox: what vpn protocol?
[11:39] <odat> maxamillion, did you find anything?
[11:39] <atarinox> maxamillion: i dont know much about it....im trying to connect to my uni's wireless, and i need a vpn client to do it apparently
[11:39] <maxamillion> odat: what geforce series is your card?
[11:40] <archangelpetro> maxamillion, kalikiana can either of you suggest an application that can easily generate graphs from input values?
[11:40] <maxamillion> atarinox: yeah, that would generally depend on which vpn protocol they use ... what uni is it?
[11:40] <odat> maxamillion, geforce4 mx4000
[11:40] <atarinox> maxamillion: Penn State U.
[11:40] <maxamillion> odat: hmmm....
[11:40] <maxamillion> atarinox: ok, just a moment ... lemme go snoop around their website and see if they list the info
[11:41] <odat> maxamillion, i just can not get the api's to match regardless of what i do
[11:41] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: openoffice spreadsheet or gnumeric
[11:41] <atarinox> maxamillion: ok, thanks
[11:41] <archangelpetro> oh god.. duh
[11:41] <archangelpetro> :'(
[11:41] <archangelpetro> hehe
[11:41] <archangelpetro> whoops
[11:41] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: ;)
[11:41] <kalikiana> archangelpetro, Huh? Good evening.
[11:44] <maxamillion> atarinox: it seems they only mention cisco, but not the protocol ... but no worries .. there is a cisco client in the repos
[11:45] <atarinox> maxamillion: ok thanks...i think i found it...vpnc?
[11:45] <maxamillion> atarinox: there are two pacakges, one is vpnc which i assume is the cli version and then network-manager-vpnc which is a plugin for network manager to be able to configure it
[11:45] <maxamillion> atarinox: yeah
[11:46] <maxamillion> atarinox: i hate to say it, but you might want to install network-manager-gnome and network-manager-vpnc to make your life easier
[11:46] <maxamillion> atarinox: but the nice part of that is you will be able to have nm-applet run in your panel to manager wireless networks
[11:47] <atarinox> ok sounds good....so it has a gui? and it loads on startup?
[11:48] <atarinox> maxamillion: what is the downside to network-manager-gnome? slow?
[11:49] <odat> maxamillion, where is the nvidia settings located?>
[11:49] <odat> ~/.nvidia-settings-rc
[11:50] <maxamillion> atarinox: not so much slow, just loads alot of gnome libraries and that can potentially clutter your system's ram and will make some memory management slow here and there
[11:50] <odat> ?
[11:50] <maxamillion> odat: yes, that appears the be where it is kept
[11:50] <odat> maxamillion, how do i find it
[11:51] <odat> maxamillion, through tunar
[11:51] <odat> thunar
[11:51] <maxamillion> odat: view->show hidden files
[11:51] <odat> yea i got it
[11:51] <maxamillion> k
[11:52] <odat> but thats not the problem i don't know what is
[11:53] <atarinox> maxamillion: ok...so i've got everything installed. how do I run it? not showing up in my app menu, and i cant seem to run from terminal...
[11:54] <maxamillion> atarinox: go to Applications->Settings->Autostarted Applications and add "nm-applet" to it (without the quotes of course) and that way it will automatically load from now on, but for the current session do Alt+F2 to get a run dialog and then type "nm-applet &" (again, without the quotes) and then the applet will appear in your system tray in the main panel
[11:57] <atarinox> maxamillion: get this message when i run that command: "/bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found"
[11:57] <atarinox> didn't install correctly?
[11:59] <maxamillion> atarinox: not sure ... never seen an error like that
[11:59] <maxamillion> atarinox: try just "nm-applet" ... i might not need the &
[11:59] <maxamillion> some apps do, others don'
[11:59] <maxamillion> t
[12:00] <atarinox> maxamillion: same msg, i'll try googling it
[12:00] <slow-motion> n8
[12:01] <maxamillion> atarinox: hmmm, ok .. that's strange though
[12:05] <atarinox> yeah i can't find much...is there an alternative to this app which I should try?
[12:05] <maxamillion> atarinox: not to my knowledge :(
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> wpagui ?
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> !info wpagui
[12:12] <ubotu> wpagui: GUI for wpa_supplicant. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.7-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 98 kB, installed size 224 kB
[12:14] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: trying to do a vpn
[12:14] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: what type ?
[12:14] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: cisco
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> kvpnc ?
[12:15] <atarinox> maxamillion: ok, well i can run vpnc by itself in the terminal. guess i'll save myself the gnome libraries now
[12:15] <maxamillion> atarinox: h3sp4wn says you might want to give kvpnc if you want ... it'll bring in some kde-libs ... but it might work
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> You could just use isakpmd (presuming you know the specs)
[12:16] <atarinox> ok, thanks. i'll give that a try if I can't figure out vpnc on it's own
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> isakmpd is really logical syntax wise
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> (same as openbsd pf for firewalls) - the openbsd guys know how to make a hard thing to do simple in terms on syntax
[12:18] <atarinox> h3sp4wn: well i'm guessing if I can login to the vpn throgh vpnc, that's all I have to do?


[03:00] <kelms> hi there
[03:04] <kelms> anybody there?
[03:30] <kelms> anybody there?
[03:57] <kelms> night