[08:13] <BlueT_> .wi11
[08:13] <BlueT_> ooops.. sorry
[08:56] <sfllaw> @schedule
[08:56] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 21 Dec 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Dec 12:00: Edubuntu | 28 Dec 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 02 Jan 20:00: Technical Board | 03 Jan 20:00: Edubuntu | 03 Jan 22:00: Xubuntu
[09:04] <Lure> @schedule Ljubljana
[09:04] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: 21 Dec 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Dec 13:00: Edubuntu | 28 Dec 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 02 Jan 21:00: Technical Board | 03 Jan 21:00: Edubuntu | 03 Jan 23:00: Xubuntu
[09:10] <fabbione> @schedule Seattle
[09:10] <fabbione> @schedule vancouver
[09:10] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Vancouver: 21 Dec 13:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Dec 04:00: Edubuntu | 28 Dec 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 02 Jan 12:00: Technical Board | 03 Jan 12:00: Edubuntu | 03 Jan 14:00: Xubuntu
[09:12] <Burgwork> fabbione: are you in seattle?
[09:33] <fabbione> Burgwork: yes
[09:33] <Burgwork> fabbione: why so?
[09:34] <fabbione> Burgwork: work
[09:34] <Burgwork> ah
[09:48] <sfllaw> @schedule montreal
[09:48] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 21 Dec 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Dec 07:00: Edubuntu | 28 Dec 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 02 Jan 15:00: Technical Board | 03 Jan 15:00: Edubuntu | 03 Jan 17:00: Xubuntu
[09:50] <sladen> we should really get seveas to add a relative time countdown
[09:51] <Seveas> @now
[09:51] <mc44> @now
[09:51] <sladen> (T-9minutes)
[09:51] <Seveas> heh
[09:51] <mc44> bah
[09:51] <Seveas> ubugtu is a bit flaky atm
[09:51] <sladen> @now
[09:53] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: December 21 2006, 20:51:58 - Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:59] <Spl4y> heno, ping
[09:59] <cjwatson> hello folks
[09:59] <cjwatson> who is not on holiday? :-)
[09:59] <heno> hello
[09:59] <zul> hi
[09:59] <fabbione> me
[09:59] <heno> Spl4y: Hi
[09:59] <ogra> me
[09:59] <BenC> hey Colin
[10:00] <cjwatson> dholbach and pitti have sent updates
[10:00] <cjwatson> heno: welcome back
[10:00] <sfllaw> cjwatson: Hi!
[10:00] <heno> cjwatson: thank you :)
[10:00] <sfllaw> Please update your summaries on the DevelTeamMeeting20061221 page.
[10:00] <cjwatson> iwj, doko, mvo?, mdz, Keybuk, Mithrandir, and IIRC seb128 are on holiday
[10:00] <cjwatson> kylem: around?
[10:01] <kylem> aye.
[10:01] <seb128> cjwatson: nop, I'm not, tomorrow evening ;)
[10:01] <cjwatson> seb128: aha
[10:01] <fabbione> iwj, mdz, Keybuk and Mith are all in vac
[10:01] <fabbione> yeah
[10:01] <sfllaw> It could be a good, fast meeting.
[10:01] <seb128> mvo is on holidays I think
[10:01] <cjwatson> all right, let's get this over so we can go (back) to the pub and celebrate $HOLIDAY
[10:01] <cjwatson> BenC: you're up
[10:01] <BenC> :: Specs
[10:01] <BenC> * driver-device-manager: Some progress (need to split out a spec for udev/kernel/modprobe changes)
[10:01] <BenC> * driver-backports: NO PROGRESS (depends on udev/modprobe/kernel changes in driver-device-manager)
[10:01] <BenC> * ubiquity-driver-updates: NO PROGRESS (depends on driver-backports).
[10:01] <BenC> :: Work for past week
[10:01] <BenC> * 2.6.20-pre is now default kernel
[10:01] <BenC> * Merges: initramfs-tools (mucho breakage, but all fixed now), ndiswrapper, directfb
[10:01] <BenC> * Worked on kernel changes for driver-device-manager
[10:01] <BenC> * Kernel debugging of several issues, working with upstream to diagnose a few other issues.
[10:01] <BenC> :: Work for next week
[10:01] <BenC> * Play with the toys Santa brings me
[10:02] <cjwatson> BenC: are you planning on doing all of the UI parts of driver-device-manager?
[10:02] <BenC> cjwatson: Yeah, I actually have a lp project started for it
[10:02] <cjwatson> BenC: we were thinking that it might make sense to have somebody who does that sort of thing more often help you out
[10:02] <cjwatson> unless you already have somebody
[10:03] <BenC> I have someone who sub'd to the spec who volunteered
[10:03] <cjwatson> ah, good, that helps
[10:03] <BenC> I need to do it at first to make sure my changes work
[10:04] <cjwatson> ok, just try not to get sucked down a UI coding hole :-)
[10:04] <cjwatson> (I know that feeling too well)
[10:04] <BenC> I know the warning signs...I'll watch out for it :)
[10:04] <cjwatson> anyone tested the 2.6.20 installation yet?
[10:04] <cjwatson> I know I haven't had time
[10:05] <fabbione> cjwatson: i did on sparc but without the super cool goodies
[10:05] <BenC> cjwatson: Did all the udeb changes work out?
[10:05] <fabbione> cjwatson: and it was ok
[10:05] <ogra> hardlocks for me with the broadcom driver
[10:05] <ogra> i'm waiting for the next upload
[10:05] <BenC> ogra: I've been thinking about an initramfs-tools change to allow blacklisting on the kernel command line
[10:06] <ogra> cool
[10:06] <ogra> sounds like a great idea
[10:06] <cjwatson> fabbione: all right, great
[10:06] <cjwatson> BenC: all I know is that the build didn't fail :)
[10:06] <BenC> cjwatson: always a plus :)
[10:06] <fabbione> the patches applies.. it's ready for stable :P
[10:06] <cjwatson> BenC: ok, thanks
[10:07] <cjwatson> me next
[10:07] <cjwatson> intel-mac-support: Will pick up hardware from Matthew Garrett soon.
[10:07] <cjwatson> ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: I hope to get an extremely raw version that you can invoke with 'ubiquity --new-partitioner' merged and into the archive tomorrow.
[10:07] <cjwatson> misc: Figuring out how to manage you lot. :-) Lots of time on the phone. I know I haven't talked to all my direct reports yet; I'll get round everyone in the new year. I've also been doing a lot of merges and chasing people about merges.
[10:07] <cjwatson> we're down to 50-odd merges, most of which are X and will be superseded by a new upstream post-debian-import-freeze anyway
[10:07] <cjwatson> so while I'd have much preferred to have those all merged, I'm not too worried
[10:08] <cjwatson> syslinux is still pending and should probably get done; sysvinit, kernel-package, kernel-wedge are excepted
[10:08] <cjwatson> xfce seems behind
[10:08] <BenC> cjwatson: kernel-package just uploaded, kernel-wedge in about 5 minutes
[10:09] <cjwatson> oh good
[10:09] <cjwatson> does the kernel build with that?
[10:09] <fabbione> BenC: feh.. i was hoping for a kernel before another breakage..
[10:09] <doko> joining ...
[10:10] <cjwatson> evening Matthias
[10:10] <cjwatson> fabbione: your turn
[10:10] <BenC> cjwatson: Changes were much more minimal that I had anticipated
[10:10] <fabbione> feisty-toolchain: fixed gcc to build proper dwarf header required to have a working gdb on sparc. Theoretically all sparc binaries are affected by this bug and a full rebuild of feisty should be done. Davem is working on a workaround in gdb to be dropped in feisty+1. Uploaded a no-changes glibc for the above reason.
[10:10] <fabbione> sparc64-installer: obppath kernel export is in Ben's queue. This will unleash tons of options to improve the overall silo.conf config when detecting extra OS'es. Userland has been worked out locally and pending a new kernel+d-i upload before hitting the archive. main-menu with the priority fix has been uploaded by cjwatson.
[10:10] <fabbione> integrity-check: no changes since last week. This will need handover to somebody else asap.
[10:10] <fabbione> spart64-niagara-ssl-accelerator: discussion with upstream is on going. upstream can't escape :)
[10:10] <fabbione> ubuntu-feisty-ha-cluster: no changes since last week.
[10:10] <fabbione> sparc-sprint (between david and me, outside the above specs stuff): fixed mono, made ubuntu-desktop installable again, added whole_disk sysfs attr for SUN partitions (pending in Ben's queue) + udev to avoid mount races (and FS corruption), installer tests unfortunately didn't happen yet because one of the buildd was offline and the queue was big (OOo, gcc, glibc) and it did start flushing again only a few hours back. The new silo-install
[10:10] <fabbione> er changes can't be fully tested without the kernel (that I did ask Ben to wait to let the buildd flush the queue).
[10:10] <fabbione> Next week:
[10:10] <fabbione>  vacation/holidays.
[10:10] <cjwatson> BenC: good-oh
[10:11] <cjwatson> oh, yeah, forgot about sparc64-installer in my update
[10:11] <fabbione> cjwatson: did you add the alias modules= for anna by any chance?
[10:11] <fabbione> or do we still need anna-$cantremember=..
[10:11] <cjwatson> fabbione: it's in preseed 1.23 upstream - just needs a sync
[10:12] <cjwatson> anna/choose_modules= for now
[10:12] <fabbione> cjwatson: ok thanks
[10:12] <cjwatson> fabbione: syncing now
[10:12] <fabbione> :)
[10:13] <doko> fabbione: OOo was is dep-wait, so shouldn't be a delay
[10:13] <fabbione> doko: it did build yesterday my time
[10:13] <fabbione> doko: anyway it's over now
[10:13] <cjwatson> we need to discuss feisty sparc etc., but I think after the break when everyone's back
[10:13] <fabbione> and it was not a direct complain.. nothing to blame.. just a state of facts
[10:13] <cjwatson> fabbione: thanks
[10:13] <cjwatson> heno: next
[10:13] <fabbione> cjwatson: welcome
[10:14] <heno> Done:
[10:14] <heno>  * access-gdm: Work with upstream seems to be comming together now. The latest Orca now works from GDM (and oBoard has for some time)
[10:14] <heno>  * bug-triage: more on ubiquity. More tweaking of bug helper. I've been promised some XML bug data by the LP folks. I've written a super-simple guide for filing bugs with useful logs for Ubiquity here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity/AttachingLogs Let me know if I should make similar pages for <your favorite large package>.
[10:14] <heno>  * launchpad-bridge: Please put your favourite little LP bugs here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamLPWishList
[10:14] <heno>  * iso-testing: making plans for getting wider involvement in ISO testing
[10:14] <heno> To do:
[10:14] <heno>  * Holiday break (but I'll probably add some bug triage to pass the time more quickly :) )
[10:16] <cjwatson> heno: I don't think I replied to you about AttachingLogs, but one-line summary is that I don't think adding it to the crash dialog will help because my experience is that people don't really read it anyway; pitti's work on crash reporting is the future there. In the meantime it's an excellent thing to post in comments on underlogged bugs though
[10:17] <cjwatson> thank you very much for your work on that so ffar
[10:17] <heno> ok, and perhaps we can get some more custom info in Malone pages eventually
[10:17] <cjwatson> far
[10:17] <heno> np :)
[10:18] <cjwatson> belatedly, dholbach updated the wiki page with his update, but here it is for the record (he didn't mail distro-team, just me apparently)
[10:18] <cjwatson> Done
[10:18] <cjwatson>  * GNOME 2.17.4
[10:18] <cjwatson>  * Merges
[10:18] <cjwatson>  * Bug Triage
[10:18] <cjwatson>  * HUG DAY
[10:18] <cjwatson> To do
[10:18] <cjwatson>  * more Bug Triage
[10:18] <cjwatson>  * REVUing
[10:19] <cjwatson> Riddell: around?
[10:19] <cjwatson> ETIMEDOUT
[10:19] <cjwatson> kylem: next
[10:20] <kylem> Done:
[10:20] <kylem> Bit of a slow week for me due to illness,
[10:20] <kylem>  * Reading about MIR criteria
[10:20] <kylem>  * File liberror-perl MIR (git-core uninstallable in feisty)
[10:20] <kylem>  * Reading about SRU
[10:20] <kylem>  * Clean up of various tree lint from last few weeks
[10:20] <kylem>  * Had setup a few test installs for -proposed kernels over weekend,
[10:20] <kylem>    unfortunately sata disk died ~Monday. Recovered data and replaced
[10:20] <kylem>    drive Wednesday, drive will be RMA'd so I have more room for some
[10:20] <kylem>    test installs.
[10:20] <kylem> Todo:
[10:20] <kylem>  * Clear out my bug mailbox
[10:20] <kylem>  * Email catch up
[10:20] <kylem>  * Relax a bit
[10:20] <kylem>  * Finish documentation about kernel-team bootstrap for wiki
[10:20] <kylem>  * Add MODULE_FIRMWARE annotations to ubuntu/ drivers.
[10:21] <cjwatson> I'd promote liberror-perl but pitti has been holidaying or something, the slacker ;-)
[10:21] <BenC> kylem: Are you pushing to rookery yet?
[10:22] <cjwatson> what's MODULE_FIRMWARE?
[10:22] <kylem> BenC, still to ~/archives, not to /srv/kernel-team
[10:22] <BenC> cjwatson: neato thing that allows modinfo to show firmware files the module needs
[10:22] <kylem> cjwatson, an annotation so the firmware a module needs can be seen from modinfo
[10:22] <kylem> was added to 2.6.19, but it's only a single line change.
[10:22] <BenC> so initramfs-tools can make use of it
[10:23] <kylem> aye aye.
[10:23] <BenC> kylem: Please start pushing to rookery as soon as possible so I can keep your changes (especially to feisty) in sync
[10:23] <cjwatson> right
[10:23] <BenC> s/rookery/kernel-team/
[10:24] <kylem> need to figure out a way of exposing which driver loaded which firmware, so we don't copy things needlessly when there are many possible firmwares.
[10:24] <kylem> BenC, alrighty.
[10:24] <BenC> kylem: thanks
[10:24] <kylem> np
[10:24] <cjwatson> ok, thanks Kyle
[10:24] <cjwatson> doko: next
[10:25] <doko> - openoffice.org: 2.1 for feisty (merges, upstream updates, adjust ubuntu patches for 2.1).
[10:25] <doko> - java: first upload of sun-java6 (worked together with tmarble)
[10:25] <doko> - other: chats, phone calls, looking for unanswered emails in 2006
[10:25] <doko> - vacation (since Dec 19), until Dec 29.
[10:25] <cjwatson> oh god, unanswered emails in 2006 would take me about a month :-(
[10:25] <cjwatson> good luck with that
[10:25] <doko> yeah, I started ... :-/
[10:26] <cjwatson> thanks for sun-java6; I believe it's wedged in the 50-odd NEW backlog at the moment but at worst that will be cleared out post-Christmas
[10:26] <fabbione> doko: expect sparc patches for java6
[10:26] <cjwatson> I'll see if one of us can look it over before that
[10:26] <doko> fabbione: ? it's binary only
[10:26] <Mithrandir> regarding NEW stuff; if you ping me on IRC, I'll take a poke at it.
[10:26] <fabbione> doko: more or less ;)
[10:26] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: ping, sun-java6 :-)
[10:26] <Mithrandir> but please don't do so for stuff which isn't blocking you.
[10:28] <cjwatson> doko: thanks
[10:28] <cjwatson> seb128: next
[10:28] <seb128> Done:
[10:28] <seb128>  GNOME 2.17.4
[10:28] <seb128>  Debian merges
[10:28] <seb128>  continue catching up with bugs, backlog around 350 now
[10:28] <seb128> .
[10:28] <seb128> Tomorrow:
[10:28] <seb128>  clean up mails backlog before holidays
[10:28] <seb128>  upload some packages from REVU
[10:28] <seb128>  keep bug triaging and fixing
[10:28] <cjwatson> (what's with nearly all of Keybuk's team being on holiday, anyway? Did I miss a memo?)
[10:29] <ogra> showing off with utf-8 dots ... tsk ...
[10:29] <seb128> ogra: tomboy did that automatically on <enter>
[10:29] <ogra> heh
[10:29] <seb128> I typed "*"
[10:29] <ogra> nice feature then
[10:30] <cjwatson> thanks for keeping up with the new GNOME
[10:30] <seb128> cjwatson: my pleasure ;)
[10:30] <cjwatson> so we're in GNOME UI freeze now?
[10:31] <seb128> no
[10:31] <ogra> i would hope not ... g-p-m still needs some tweaks
[10:31] <seb128> that version is the start of "announce changes"
[10:31] <cjwatson> ah, I misread
[10:31] <seb128> UI freeze is jan 22th
[10:32] <seb128> API freeze is jan 8th
[10:33] <cjwatson> how does network-manager look upstream?
[10:33] <doko> hmm, I don't want to push the move to python2.5 before jan 8th (given that the archive will be frozen before hurd 2 anyway)
[10:33] <cjwatson> doko: that's GNOME API freeze not us
[10:34] <seb128> cjwatson: well, only the applet is proposed for GNOME, I don't know lot about network-manager itself, that's an external depends (like hal) and Mithrandir is supposed to look at it
[10:34] <cjwatson> right
[10:34] <Mithrandir> I've merged the Debian package, but not gone through the bug list properly yet.
[10:34] <cjwatson> seb128: thanks
[10:34] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: which leads neatly to you, if you're around enough ...
[10:35] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: I haven't prepared an update, but I can type one anyway.
[10:35] <Mithrandir> last week: archive work, network-manager merge
[10:35] <Mithrandir> specs: no real progress, I've begun poking at the NM source for the networkroaming spec.
[10:35] <Mithrandir> I need to know the code base a little bit.
[10:36] <Mithrandir> next week: more vacation.
[10:36] <Mithrandir> but I'll be on IRC so if you need archive or buildd work done, prod me and I'll see what I can get done.
[10:36] <Mithrandir> I won't "work" per se, but I'll certainly attend to my IRC client a little bit.
[10:36] <Mithrandir> (done)
[10:36] <cjwatson> I will also be intermittently on IRC, but I do intend to actually have a holiday
[10:37] <cjwatson> as should the rest of you; this has been a busy year and we all deserve a thorough break

[10:38] <cjwatson> OK, any other business?
[10:38] <ogra> ?
[10:38] <cjwatson> ogra: oh, I missed you
[10:38] <sfllaw> Me?
[10:38] <seb128> (I'll probably not be on IRC a lot but reading mail daily, if anything is required drop me a mail)
[10:38] <cjwatson> and Till and Simon come to that
[10:38] <cjwatson> I suck, sorry :) was going down wiki.canonical.com/DistroTeam and you guys are in a separate section
[10:38] <ogra> pick one of us then :)
[10:38] <cjwatson> ogra: next
[10:38] <ogra> * last week:
[10:38] <ogra>  - fixed ltsp merge bugs
[10:38] <ogra>  - some work on edubuntu-network-auth-server (edsadmin is waiting in NEW)
[10:38] <ogra>  - some work on ltsp-management-gui
[10:38] <ogra>  - merges
[10:38] <ogra> * next week (post christmas holiday):
[10:38] <ogra>  - fix ltsp printserver with sbalneav's patches
[10:39] <ogra>  - more work on edubuntu-network-auth-server
[10:39] <ogra>  - more ltsp-management gui
[10:39] <ogra>  - gnome-screensaver fixes
[10:39] <ogra>  - power-manager bugs
[10:39] <ogra> * approved specs:
[10:39] <ogra>  - ltsp-fat-clients -no further work
[10:39] <ogra>  - edubuntu-network-auth-server - started, slow progress
[10:39] <ogra>  - edubuntu-network-auth-client - not started
[10:39] <ogra>  - edgy-plusone-thinclient-sound - started
[10:39] <ogra>  - ltsp-management-gui - started
[10:39] <ogra>  - student-control-panel-upgrade - not started (development meeting held today)
[10:39] <ogra>  - edubuntu-on-two-cds - not started
[10:39] <ogra>  - ltsp-persistent-home - ... sbalneav (still waiting for code review)
[10:39] <ogra>  - not to forget i introduced this wonderful gnome-screensaver bug that prevents you from unlocking :(
[10:40] <cjwatson> ogra: obviously recent management changes mean I'm unlikely to be able to do the cdimage hacking for edubuntu-on-two-cds, but I'm happy to review a diff
[10:40] <seb128> ogra: do you need some help on the gnome-screensaver breakage?
[10:40] <ogra> seb128, upstrteam gave me a patch that doesnt apply but seems to solve the issue
[10:40] <seb128> ok, good
[10:41] <ogra> i'll handwave it in tonight or tomorrow morning
[10:41] <seb128> let me know if you need some help with that tomorrow
[10:41] <ogra> cjwatson, i'll do my best, i wanted to look closer at debian-cd anyway
[10:41] <ogra> seb128, i guess i'm fine if the patch does what upstream thinks ...
[10:42] <cjwatson> the thing to note is that we deliberately patched out the code to build multiple CDs because it never applied to Ubuntu
[10:42] <seb128> ok
[10:42] <cjwatson> so you're going to have to come up with some kind of evil fudge
[10:42] <cjwatson> I'm also happy to assist with seed layout design, which is pretty much my territory :)
[10:42] <Mithrandir> mmm, evil chocolate fudge.
[10:42] <ogra> well, i dont want a multicd setup anyway
[10:42] <cjwatson> that's what this is
[10:42] <cjwatson> it's just a slightly unusual kind of multi-CD setup
[10:42] <ogra> so probably something outside of debian-cd would be more appropriate
[10:42] <cjwatson> no, this must be in debian-cd
[10:43] <cjwatson> we will not maintain multiple CD image building frameworks
[10:43] <ogra> hmm, k
[10:43] <cjwatson> anyway, we can discuss it after the break :)
[10:43] <ogra> yep
[10:44] <cjwatson> ogra: thanks
[10:44] <cjwatson> sfllaw: next
[10:44] <sfllaw> Done:
[10:44] <sfllaw>  * Wiki documentation
[10:44] <sfllaw>  * Bug triaging
[10:44] <sfllaw>  * Hug day (signed up tons of people)
[10:44] <sfllaw>  * Contracts sent to interns
[10:44] <sfllaw>  * SRUs: vino, openoffice.org, gnome-control-center
[10:44] <sfllaw> To do:
[10:44] <sfllaw>  * Bug triage
[10:44] <sfllaw>  * SRU: gnome-nettool, synaptic
[10:44] <sfllaw>  * Test planning for
[10:44] <sfllaw>  * Holiday
[10:46] <seb128> speaking about SRU, could anybody approve the bug #73115 upload to edgy-updates so upstream will stop to get duplicates for that crasher before the holidays and not after? ;)
[10:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73115 in control-center "theme manager crash on theme installation" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73115
[10:47] <cjwatson> sfllaw: how many interns have we got?
[10:48] <sfllaw> Three.
[10:48] <sfllaw> Two will work with me on bug triaging.
[10:48] <sfllaw> One will work with cr3 on writing test cases for our testing framework.
[10:48] <cjwatson> seb128: looking now
[10:48] <seb128> cjwatson: thank you
[10:48] <cjwatson> sfllaw: ok, please keep me posted on the effect that has on our bug situation
[10:49] <sfllaw> Will do.
[10:49] <cjwatson> sfllaw: thanks
[10:49] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: next
[10:49] <seb128> sfllaw: if you want to assign one on desktop bug triage we can work with him, let we know ;)
[10:50] <tkamppeter> Done
[10:50] <tkamppeter>  * Updated foomatic-db to state of Dec 19: More options for Brother printers (http://forums.freestandards.org/read.php?24,106), marked "drv_z42" obsolete (bug 59324), Samsung ML-1610 does not support PostScript, many device IDs contributed by Red Hat
[10:50] <tkamppeter>  * Updated gutenprint for Debian merge and to add support for Lexmark X73 and Compaq IJ1200 (bug 59324)
[10:50] <tkamppeter>  * Updated hplip for Debian merge
[10:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59324 in foomatic-db "Cups filters are not bundled with Ubuntu altough the PPD are present" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59324
[10:50] <tkamppeter>  * Updated foo2zjs to delete old Debian rules when updating, Edgy update of foo2zjs got approved (bug 65618)
[10:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65618 in foo2zjs "Firmware upload to LJ 1000/1005/1008/1020 broken (fix to be proposed as Edgy update)" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65618
[10:50] <tkamppeter>  * Submitted Splix (driver for Samsung bw and color laser printers) for introduction into Ubuntu (bug 59829, bug 44407, bug 63802)
[10:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59829 in foomatic-db "No driver for Samsung ML-1610 printer" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59829
[10:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44407 in splix "Samsung clp510 not working" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44407
[10:50] <tkamppeter>  * Answered to bug reports
[10:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63802 in cupsys "[Edgy]  unable to install printer Samsung CLP 510" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63802
[10:51] <cjwatson> seb128: done
[10:51] <seb128> cjwatson: excellent, thank you
[10:51] <tkamppeter> Next weeks: I will disappear for some time do to holidays and moving (around Jan 10). In the mean time I will sometimes look into my e-mail.
[10:52] <cjwatson> thanks for the merges; those were our main focus up until today
[10:53] <doko> tkamppeter: where are you moving?
[10:53] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: have you told mdz about your holidays/moving already?
[10:54] <tkamppeter> np, and the nicest christmas present from me will go to the users of all Brother laser printers by my foomatic-db update: 2400x600 dpi, economode, duplex, trays, ...
[10:54] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, I have told him by e-mail
[10:54] <tkamppeter> doko, to Portugal
[10:54] <cjwatson> ok, great, I don't need to worry about that admin work then
[10:54] <tkamppeter> I have also informed the secretaries
[10:55] <cjwatson> thank you
[10:55] <doko> tkamppeter: nice
[10:55] <ogra> thats nice :)
[10:55] <cjwatson> all right, I think that's really everyone now
[10:55] <cjwatson> any other business, once again?
[10:55] <zul> no
[10:55] <tkamppeter> There can be a second christmas present by me, for all users of not too old Samasung bw and color lasers, if someone moves in SpliX from NEW ...
[10:56] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: it probably won't reach main until the new year; new packages in main do need a security review etc.
[10:56] <cjwatson> but it may happen to sneak into universe before then
[10:56] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: I've said I'd review it.
[10:56] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: thanks
[10:57] <cjwatson> I cleared out about half of NEW today but have had no time for new source packages
[10:57] <cjwatson> (they require actual thought)
[10:57] <tkamppeter> I have already prepared the request to move it from Universe to Main. I will submit it as soon as I see SpliX in Universe.
[10:57] <Mithrandir> yeah, binary new is usually trivial.
[10:57] <Mithrandir> tkamppeter: probably not tonight, maybe tomorrow.  Just too much other stuff happening now.
[10:58] <cjwatson> ok, adjourned
[10:58] <fabbione> thanks guys.. cya
[10:58] <tkamppeter> OK
[10:58] <cjwatson> thanks everyone for a fantastic year, and have good holidays
[10:58] <ogra> you too
[10:58] <cjwatson> I'll be around tomorrow morning; after that, see you in 2007
[10:58] <tkamppeter> binary new package without source?
[10:59] <seb128> cjwatson: thank you, enjoy your holidays too!
[10:59] <cjwatson> source and binary are separate stages in new processing
[11:02] <tkamppeter> So source is approved at first and then build for all architectures is done and on success binary is approved?
[11:02] <cjwatson> yes


[01:54] <roaksoax> xygnal: if they are deployed, and the machine is manually configured to pxe boot by default, the machine will PXE boot and will be told to oot from local disk
[01:54] <roaksoax> xygnal: that sad, the machine should still be dhcp'ing from the hostmap
[01:55] <roaksoax> xygnal: as mpontillo explained...
[01:55] <xygnal> roaksoax the problem appears to be that the host map is not being created
[01:55] <xygnal> i've just re-comissioned two machines and tried them with auto-assign, still doing this.  going to delete from MAAS all together next.
[01:56] <roaksoax> xygnal: are there any error logs ? (tail -f /var/log/maas/*.log)
[01:58] <roaksoax> xygnal: can you 'deploy' a machine, while tailing /var/log/maas/*.log
[01:58] <roaksoax> xygnal: and share that
[01:58] <roaksoax> xygnal: also share the output of /var/lib/maas/dhcpd.conf after the machine has been deployed
[01:58] <roaksoax> err
[01:58] <roaksoax> after you click deploy and the logs show that the deployment has started
[01:58] <roaksoax> you will see something like: Apr 27 01:57:27 xenial-maas22 maas.interface: [info] Allocated automatic IP address <IP_ADDRESS> for eno1 (physical) on apt-heron.
[02:00] <xygnal> yes i always see that
[02:00] <xygnal> never throws an error either
[02:01] <xygnal> and in the UI it shows the auto-asssignend IP
[02:01] <xygnal> just dhcpd.conf which is missing the hostmap
[02:02] <xygnal> there is only one such angry in there now for a node, and it is for a node i did not build.   all of the nodes I have tried to build (with identical config) dont end up with a hostmap
[02:04] <xygnal> it's as if the DHCP sync is not happeningning
[03:41] <roaksoax> xygnal: can you please share your config?
[03:41] <roaksoax> dhcpd.conf that is
[03:56] <xygnal> roaksoax: after moving my dhcpd.conf to a backup and restarting maas-rackd and maas-dhcpd, a new config has written, and it has the missing host mapping.
[04:05] <xygnal> roaksoax: and after that, it just booted up with its assigned IP address.
[04:05] <xygnal> (thumbsup)
[04:17] <xygnal> confirmed on a couple more - all green
[04:17] <xygnal> updated the bug report
[07:12] <mup> Bug #1686607 opened: maas gui doesn't show bond details nor allow editing <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686607>
[08:09] <mup> Bug #1686607 changed: maas gui doesn't show bond details nor allow editing <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686607>
[10:45] <mup> Bug #1686669 opened: MAAS fails to deploy Ubuntu on host that had CentOS deployed and vice-versa <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686669>
[10:45] <mup> Bug #1686678 opened: No obvious way to change the domain of a controller <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686678>
[12:03] <mup> Bug #1616231 changed: Can't select partition table (MBR vs GPT) <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS trunk:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616231>
[12:13] <mup> Bug #1616231 opened: Can't select partition table (MBR vs GPT) <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS trunk:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616231>
[12:22] <mup> Bug #1616231 changed: Can't select partition table (MBR vs GPT) <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS trunk:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616231>
[12:34] <David_Orange> Hi, can someone can provide me some information about "node-results" cli sub command ? i woud like to have the commisioning summary, but i can not find how to filter it from all the output (i can not find anything on that subcommand under maas doc)
[13:32] <roaksoax> David_Orange: maas admin node-results read system_id=qctf8r name=00-maas-01-lshw
[13:32] <roaksoax> that's an example
[13:32] <roaksoax> obtaining the 00-maas-01-lshw file for the system qctf8r
[13:33] <roaksoax> David_Orange: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24466683/ -> all the commissioning scripts/test scripts (this is maas 2.2)
[13:39] <David_Orange> roaksoax: Ok, got it, it is files from "commisioning output", i was searching in summary. Thanks a lot
[13:42] <roaksoax> David_Orange: cool, note that the 'data' field has the data in base64
[13:43] <roaksoax> David_Orange: and the summary is just a nice way to show the output from the lshw script + the lldp output one
[13:50] <David_Orange> roaksoax: ok, got it, thx
[14:04] <mup> Bug #1686732 opened: [2.2] Cannot release a DISCOVERED IP address <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686732>
[14:10] <mup> Bug #1686732 changed: [2.2] Cannot release a DISCOVERED IP address <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686732>
[14:13] <mup> Bug #1686732 opened: [2.2] Cannot release a DISCOVERED IP address <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686732>
[14:13] <mup> Bug #1686736 opened: [2.2] DISCOVERED IP addresses should never exist outside of the dynamic range <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686736>
[14:19] <mup> Bug #1686736 changed: [2.2] DISCOVERED IP addresses should never exist outside of the dynamic range <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686736>
[14:31] <xygnal> roaksoax:  hm.  this dhcpd.conf not updating strangeness is happening again.  had to remove dhcpd.conf, and restart maas-rackd to re-write it.
[14:31] <xygnal> roaksoax: a simple diff between the old and new file shows the missing host maps again
[14:32] <xygnal> roaksoax how does maas update dhcpd.conf? does it use API commands to add and remove things, or does it just re-write the config and HUP?
[14:33] <roaksoax> xygnal: rewrites the whole config? are you still using multiople rack controllers ?
[14:33] <roaksoax> xygnal: and in relay ?
[14:33] <roaksoax> xygnal: i've been playing around (without relay or HA), and hostmaps get created just fine
[14:33] <xygnal> roaksoax:  i turned the HA secondary back on, but that side is not running DHCPd
[14:34] <xygnal> roaksoax:  it never was
[14:34] <mup> Bug #1686736 opened: [2.2] DISCOVERED IP addresses should never exist outside of the dynamic range <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686736>
[14:34] <xygnal> roaksoax still doing the same thing as before yes.
[14:37] <roaksoax> blake_r: ^^ why would maas not create the hostmaps
[14:38] <xygnal> it does if i remove dhcpd.conf and restart maas-rackd
[14:38] <roaksoax> blake_r: he is using dhcp relay
[14:38] <xygnal> but not before
[14:38] <roaksoax> xygnal: right, so rackd is nto writing the hostmaps for some reason
[14:38] <roaksoax> xygnal: so if you removed dhcpd.conf, restarted maas-rackd, and deploy new machines, hostmaps are created just fine ?
[14:38] <blake_r> xygnal: is it not writing hostmaps for the relayed vlan?
[14:39] <blake_r> xygnal: but it writes hostmaps for the main vlan?
[14:39] <xygnal> not exactly.
[14:39] <xygnal> everything i deployed is missing hostmaps
[14:39] <xygnal> if i delete the conf and restart
[14:39] <xygnal> the new conf has those hostmaps
[14:39] <xygnal> but any new deploys after that are missinh
[14:39] <xygnal> until i repeat the delete and restart
[14:39] <blake_r> xygnal: okay let me test on my side without dhcp relay, and see if i am getting hostmaps one moment
[14:47] <xygnal> blake_r i've not tried to write maps for the local network, as there are no servers in that.  All of our deploying nodes are in relayed fabrics, as that is what the prod arch will be.
[14:48] <blake_r> xygnal: yeah I would bet that is the issue
[14:48] <blake_r> xygnal: I am going to verify the local, and then I will file a bug, and get you a fix
[14:52] <blake_r> xygnal: yep that is the issue
[14:56] <xygnal> blake_r: ty sir
[14:57] <blake_r> xygnal: thanks for testing DHCP relay!
[14:58] <xygnal> blake_r: two way street,  your quick help makes a big difference
[14:59] <blake_r> xygnal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1686755
[15:04] <mup> Bug #1686755 opened: [2.2] Relay'd VLAN's hostmaps are not writtin to the dhcpd.conf, unless rackd is restarted <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686755>
[15:22] <mup> Bug #1686757 opened: [2.2] Rack registration fails if machine has domain in hostname <MAAS:Triaged by danilo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686757>
[15:31] <mup> Bug #1686757 changed: [2.2] Rack registration fails if machine has domain in hostname <MAAS:Triaged by danilo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686757>
[15:34] <mup> Bug #1686757 opened: [2.2] Rack registration fails if machine has domain in hostname <MAAS:Triaged by danilo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686757>
[15:34] <mup> Bug #1686763 opened: MAAS blanks out search query <ui> <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686763>
[15:40] <mup> Bug #1686763 changed: MAAS blanks out search query <ui> <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686763>
[15:52] <mup> Bug #1686763 opened: [2.2, UI] MAAS blanks out search query <fff> <ui> <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686763>
[16:04] <mup> Bug # changed: 1377335, 1393936, 1654063, 1672327, 1672363, 1677056, 1680086, 1680886, 1680979, 1681390, 1681407, 1681442, 1681745, 1681869, 1681937, 1682174, 1682663, 1683433, 1683440, 1683448, 1683502, 1683503, 1683542, 1683855, 1684074, 1684305, 1685306, 1685361, 1685410, 1685435, 1685624,
[16:04] <mup> 1685835, 1685891, 1685904, 1685955, 1685963, 1686516
[16:43] <mup> Bug #1639332 changed: [2.2] Expire the DHCP lease after commissioning or make the  default-lease-time configurable <sts> <trivial> <MAAS:Won't Fix by andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639332>
[16:43] <mup> Bug #1683919 changed: NVMe disk with trusty and hwe-t kernel fails installation <kernel-da-key> <trusty> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1683919>
[16:52] <mup> Bug #1639332 opened: [2.2] Expire the DHCP lease after commissioning or make the  default-lease-time configurable <sts> <trivial> <MAAS:Won't Fix by andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639332>
[16:52] <mup> Bug #1683919 opened: NVMe disk with trusty and hwe-t kernel fails installation <kernel-da-key> <trusty> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1683919>
[16:55] <mup> Bug #1639332 changed: [2.2] Expire the DHCP lease after commissioning or make the  default-lease-time configurable <sts> <trivial> <MAAS:Won't Fix by andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639332>
[16:55] <mup> Bug #1683919 changed: NVMe disk with trusty and hwe-t kernel fails installation <kernel-da-key> <trusty> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1683919>
[17:25] <mup> Bug #1686794 opened: Cancel button broken on add user page <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686794>
[22:37] <mup> Bug #1624344 opened: [2.1] Can't SSH to machine in Rescue mode <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1624344>
[22:43] <mup> Bug #1624344 changed: [2.1] Can't SSH to machine in Rescue mode <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1624344>


[06:20] <snkt> hiii
[06:20] <Sonicadvance1> oh hai mark
[06:21] <snkt> how to create a oneiric armel toolchain on host 13.04 machine
[08:06] <hrw> snkt: oneiric? it is not supported. upgrade that machine to precise


[08:39] <tomreyn> hi
[08:40] <tomreyn> does x-edgers X get security updates which are applied on stable releases?
[08:41] <tjaalton> it's following upstream crack, so in a sense yes
[08:41] <tomreyn> i realise the X issue where you hit ctrl-alt-* to kill the screensaver is still present here
[08:41] <tomreyn> let me see which versions i have
[08:41] <tjaalton> well edgers doesn't have xkb-data
[08:42] <tjaalton> i guess
[08:43] <tomreyn> oh that's xkb-data, okay
[08:43] <tomreyn> so it's not fixed in stable
[08:43] <tjaalton> no need to
[08:44] <tjaalton> since they don't have xserver 1.11
[08:44] <tjaalton> fixed in precise
[08:45] <tomreyn> hmmi was thinking everything including 1.10 was affected.
[08:45] <tjaalton> nope
[08:46] <tomreyn> okay, so my options to get rid of this issue now are? upgrade (from oneiric) to precise?
[08:47] <tomreyn> i guess i'm going offtopic now, sorry.
[08:47] <tjaalton> or backport xkb-data from precise
[08:47] <tjaalton> if it's your own machine, why do you care anyway? :)
[08:48] <tomreyn> care about backporting, or about having this security issue?
[08:48] <tjaalton> the latter
[08:49] <tomreyn> because i'm not the only one who has physical access to it
[08:49] <tomreyn> and i like to not have to log out when i leave it
[08:49] <tjaalton> don't run edgers then
[08:49] <tjaalton> or backport, or upgrade
[08:50] <tomreyn> right. thank you for your help. :)
[10:18]  * apw notes there is a subtle change in the way xmodmap works when you remap keys, you need to specify the keysym at least twice to ensure shif-<key> stil produces something
[10:18] <apw> (in precise)
[11:10] <tjaalton> sigh, this scroll jumping is annoying
[12:55] <Daviey> apw: funny you say that, one of my key combinations stopped working - which confused the hell out of me :)
[14:38] <tjaalton> ok, so llvmpipe is still not that useful :)
[14:39] <tjaalton> at least unity isn't
[14:39] <tjaalton> runs, but all sorts of glitches
[14:52] <shadeslayer> I'm curious, but has anyone had X crash repeatedly when trying to play videos with VLC?
[14:56] <jcristau> on fglrx?
[15:03] <tjaalton> works just fine on intel
[15:07] <tseliot> shadeslayer: if you're referring to fglrx (as jcristau asked) then it's a known bug
[16:19] <shadeslayer> tseliot: yes, on fglrx
[16:20] <shadeslayer> could I get a bug number?
[16:20] <tseliot> shadeslayer: bug #921384
[16:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 921384 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "[MASTER] Xorg crashes when trying to play a video with XV under xserver 1.11 (affects: 8) (dups: 1) (heat: 62)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921384
[16:21] <shadeslayer> I reported bug 925501
[16:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 925501 in xorg (Ubuntu) "X crashes while playing videos (dup-of: 921384)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925501
[16:21] <shadeslayer> marked it as a dupe
[16:23] <shadeslayer> tseliot: what's the cause though?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> I have to reboot to OS X to watch videos these days :(
[16:25] <tseliot> shadeslayer: it's a bug in the driver. I don't know what the actual problem is since the driver code il closed
[16:25] <Sarvatt> shadeslayer: switch to -vo gl in mplayer to work around it
[16:25] <shadeslayer> oh okay
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Sarvatt: uhhh ..
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Sarvatt: I'm not familiar with X
[16:26] <shadeslayer> oh, use mplayer instead of vlc?
[16:26] <tseliot> right, it's just xv that doesn't work
[16:26] <Sarvatt> nothing to do with X, what video player are you using?
[16:26] <Sarvatt> vlc? one sec, let me look at the menu layout
[16:26] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:26] <Sarvatt> tools -> preferences -> video -> video output
[16:27] <shadeslayer> One sec, I'll have to reboot
[16:27] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:27] <Sarvatt> try glx or X11
[16:27] <jcristau> or, get rid of fglrx :)
[16:29] <tjaalton> heh, QtSDK installer settings window seems to be infinitely large, it's OOM killed within seconds of opening it..
[16:30] <tjaalton> oh, and seems that the browser went too
[16:30] <tjaalton> thanks
[16:32] <shadeslayer> well ... no crash
[16:32] <shadeslayer> no video output as well
[16:33] <shadeslayer> boom
[16:33] <shadeslayer> vlc crashed
[16:33] <Sarvatt> i've heard using smplayer or whatever mplayer frontend you want and switching the video output driver to gl works fine if you want to try that
[16:33] <shadeslayer> Sarvatt: I'll remove fglrx
[16:33] <Sarvatt> good call :)
[16:34] <shadeslayer> what's the free alternative for fglrx?
[16:34] <tjaalton> -ati
[16:34] <shadeslayer> awesome
[16:34] <tjaalton> just deactivate the driver, -ati is the default anyway
[16:35] <shadeslayer> tjaalton: I don't have enough space for / ... so removing it to gain a wee bit of space
[16:36] <tjaalton> -ati is installed already..
[16:36] <shadeslayer> out of 62 GB's 50 GB's are already used ... ;)
[16:36] <shadeslayer> okay
[16:36] <tjaalton> so yes do remove fgrlx if you don't use it
[16:36] <tjaalton> and reboot
[16:37] <shadeslayer> righto
[16:40] <shadeslayer> arf
[16:41] <shadeslayer> just one small problem
[16:41] <shadeslayer> wrong resolution
[16:41] <shadeslayer> 1152x864 .. my panel does 1440x900 natively
[16:42] <shadeslayer> And the maximum I can choose is 1152x864 : http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/02/plasma-desktopjL2325.png
[16:43] <shadeslayer> a couple of desktop effects are disabled as well :(
[16:44] <tjaalton> so you're not using -ati then
[16:44] <tjaalton> some fglrx remnants left
[16:44] <tjaalton> check Xorg.0.log
[16:45] <shadeslayer> okay, I think it's using vesa
[16:45] <tjaalton> how did you remove fglrx
[16:45] <tjaalton> ?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/198656
[16:46] <shadeslayer> tjaalton: sudo apt-get remove fglrx-updates
[16:47] <tjaalton> check jockey
[16:47] <shadeslayer> looking
[16:47] <shadeslayer> Nope, both are not activated
[16:48] <tjaalton> tseliot: ^
[16:49] <Sarvatt> shadeslayer: remove nomodeset from your kernel command line :)
[16:49] <tjaalton> ahah
[16:49] <tjaalton> yeah i've no browser to check the logs..
[16:49]  * shadeslayer doesn't remember why he put in nomodeset
[16:49] <shadeslayer> okay, brb reboot
[16:50] <tjaalton> because someone on some forum told it was the greatest idea ever?
[16:50] <tseliot> shadeslayer: maybe you should also remove your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:50] <tjaalton> shouldn't the uninstaller do that?
[16:50] <tjaalton> or does jockey handle it
[16:51] <tseliot> tjaalton: the uninstaller? Let me check jockey...
[16:51] <Sarvatt> yeah jockey does the xorg.conf handling
[16:51] <tjaalton> so removing it the apt-get way doesn't work..
[16:52] <Sarvatt> not sure that fglrx even installs an xorg.conf anymore, its not needed
[16:52] <tjaalton> it doesn't, but amdcccle does
[16:52] <tjaalton> if you touch the configs
[16:52] <tjaalton> at least when configuring dualhead
[16:53] <tjaalton> unless amdcccle crashes, of course
[16:53] <tjaalton> which, according to the numerous bugreports is what happens
[16:53] <tseliot> Sarvatt: right, that's my point. It shouldn't create a xorg.conf
[16:54] <tjaalton> anyway, if jockey has a 'disable driver foo' commandline option, postrm should call that
[16:54] <tseliot> tjaalton: yes, it was definitely amdcccle
[16:55] <shadeslayer> :D :D
[16:55] <shadeslayer> tseliot: don't have that
[16:55] <shadeslayer> everything works
[16:56] <shadeslayer> tseliot: as for the forum thing ... hmm .. possible
[16:56] <shadeslayer> thanks a ton :)
[16:56] <tseliot> shadeslayer: amdcccle is Amd's catalyst panel
[16:56] <shadeslayer> videos work too \o/
[16:56] <tseliot> or whatever is called
[16:57] <tseliot> tjaalton: that would work only if the driver was enabled in Jockey
[16:57] <shadeslayer> don't have amdccle
[16:57] <shadeslayer> I think fglrx removed that
[16:57] <tjaalton> tseliot: then the postinst should call jockey ;)
[16:58] <tjaalton> if you apt-get install fgrlx
[16:58] <tjaalton> things should work the same, no matter which way you install the driver
[16:59] <tseliot> tjaalton: what if Jockey installs fglrx which in turn calls jockey? ;)
[16:59] <shadeslayer> okay, now everything is heating up like crazy
[16:59] <shadeslayer> fan is on full throttle
[17:00] <tjaalton> tseliot: good point! need to think about it
[17:00] <tjaalton> shadeslayer: which distro version is this?
[17:00] <shadeslayer> Precise
[17:00] <tjaalton> ok
[17:01] <tjaalton> so no thermal control for you then
[17:01] <shadeslayer> tjaalton: oh why?
[17:01] <tjaalton> no support
[17:01] <shadeslayer> heh :)
[17:01] <tseliot> tjaalton: fglrx could call a script which removes any reference to fglrx in xorg.conf when the package is removed
[17:01] <shadeslayer> I thought it was a problem with the driver
[17:01] <tjaalton> tseliot: yes, jockey?
[17:02] <tseliot> tjaalton: but if I managed to get my fallback system in X to work properly we wouldn't need any of this
[17:02] <tjaalton> tseliot: split that functionality from jockey so that it can be called externally
[17:02] <tjaalton> tseliot: what's that?
[17:03] <tjaalton> maybe I've heard about it
[17:03] <shadeslayer> I just spun up my fans to the max, cooled everything down, lets see if it happens again
[17:04] <tseliot> tjaalton: I'm trying to get to a point where, if X finds a driver in xorg.conf which is either not available (e.g. there's no fglrx driver) or if there's no supported graphics card for that driver, it falls back to a different driver using autoconfiguration
[17:05] <tjaalton> tseliot: ok good, but that could confuse the user and/or bug triager ;)
[17:06] <ricotz> Sarvatt, tjaalton, the mesa package in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/x-staging/+packages has the same problem
[17:06] <jcristau> ignoring stuff that's explicitly configured sounds kinda bad
[17:06] <ricotz> tjaalton, him drisearchdirs=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri:${ORIGIN}/dri:/usr/lib/dri
[17:06] <tseliot> tjaalton: the alternative is letting X fail
[17:06] <ricotz> tjaalton, i mean, hi
[17:06] <tjaalton> "same problem"
[17:06] <tjaalton> ?
[17:07] <tjaalton> but yes, Sarvatt told me about it
[17:07] <ricotz> tjaalton, alright ;)
[17:07] <Sarvatt> ricotz: yeah i'm fixing it up in the ubuntu branch now
[17:07] <ricotz> good
[17:07] <Sarvatt> ..and pushed
[17:12] <Sarvatt> pushed xserver too
[19:31] <FernandoMiguel> evening <3
[20:33] <Sarvatt> archives open, mesa 8.0 tonight? :)
[20:35] <tjaalton> and libxcb
[20:35] <tjaalton> go for it
[20:35] <tjaalton> hmm
[20:35] <FernandoMiguel> fear!
[20:35] <tjaalton> I'll sync libxcb
[20:36] <Sarvatt> need http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~sarvatt/wayland/ for mesa (is in git)
[21:02] <tjaalton> bryceh: -qxl is ready for syncing when syncpackage thinks so :)
[21:02] <tjaalton> ie. not yet
[21:05] <bryceh> tjaalton, already uploaded it
[21:05] <tjaalton> uh, ok
[21:32] <Sarvatt> ok got video-vmware all working now, took some cherry-picks
[21:32] <Sarvatt> uploaded it to canonical-x/x-staging
[21:36] <Sarvatt> pushed it to git too
[21:41] <tjaalton> oh, how messy the upstream versioning is..
[21:41] <tjaalton> no wait
[21:42] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: check the version
[21:42] <tjaalton> <IP_ADDRESS>1 << 11.99.901
[21:42] <Sarvatt> thats right
[21:42] <tjaalton> so now we can't push vmware there anymore..
[21:43] <tjaalton> you mean upstream bumped the version?
[21:43] <Sarvatt> yeah
[21:43] <Sarvatt> <IP_ADDRESS>1 was the 11.1.0 release rc
[21:43] <Sarvatt> with no XA support
[21:43] <tjaalton> hah
[21:43] <tjaalton> ok then
[21:43] <tjaalton> so 23:41 < tjaalton> oh, how messy the upstream versioning is..
[21:43] <Sarvatt> scared me
[21:43] <Sarvatt> i'm doing 3 things at once, darn S3 bug
[21:43] <Sarvatt> so totally could have flubbed it :)
[21:44] <tjaalton> hehe
[22:16] <bdmurray> bryceh: have you seen bug 507062?
[22:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 507062 in libx11 (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 4 other projects) "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed. (affects: 592) (dups: 352) (heat: 3588)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507062
[22:17] <bryceh> bdmurray, yes
[22:17] <tjaalton> bdmurray: there's new libxcb in precise synced today, see if it still happens with it
[22:17] <bdmurray> I'm not experiencing it just ran across the report again
[22:17] <bryceh> tjaalton, do you know for certain there is a fix for this bug?  it's been rather long standing
[22:17] <bdmurray> the upstream bug watch for that bug has a link to another upstream bug with a patch of sorts
[22:17] <tjaalton> there's another one too gathering dupes
[22:18] <bryceh> bdmurray, 507062 just times out for me so I can't really look at it
[22:18] <bdmurray> +text ;-)
[22:18] <bdmurray> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27552
[22:18] <bdmurray> that's the upstream one
[22:18] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 27552 in Lib/Xlib "Lots of processes crash in XCreatePixmap() with _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed" [Normal,New: ]
[22:18] <bdmurray> which then points to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23690
[22:19] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 23690 in Lib/Xlib "Return value from xcb_generate_id() not checked" [Normal,New: ]
[22:19] <bryceh> thanks
[22:19] <bdmurray> Would it make sense to prevent reporting them in apport?
[22:19] <bdmurray> there is a bug pattern but its not working for one reason or another
[22:20] <bryceh> bdmurray, I think there's likely little value in having more bug reports auto-filed about it
[22:21] <bryceh> bdmurray, so yeah a bug pattern may make sense here
[22:21] <bryceh> tjaalton, did you find that the new libxcb includes 0001-_XAllocID-don-t-assert-when-running-out-of-IDs-23690.patch ?
[22:22] <jcristau> _XAllocID sounds like an xlib thing, not libxcb
[22:22] <bryceh> true
[22:22] <bryceh> ajax's comments seem to indicate the patch may not be a proper fix
[22:23] <bryceh> bdmurray, are you reproducing the problem or just triaging through bugs?
[22:23] <bdmurray> bryceh: just triaging
[22:23] <tjaalton> bryceh: no, but it's the first release in well over a year, and should contain some thread related fixes
[22:24] <bryceh> mm
[22:25] <bryceh> ok, then I say we should just leave the bug as is for now, wait until the new bits are fully deployed, and then later we can check back and see if it's fixed
[22:25] <bryceh> tjaalton, if you remember what the other bug # is maybe put a request to test after things have landed
[22:26] <bryceh> bdmurray, if you're able to make changes to 507062 via email or some such, can you close out the bug report and tell users to file new bug reports if they reproduce it in Precise?
[22:26] <tjaalton> bryceh: you touched it recently :)
[22:26] <tjaalton> bug 905686
[22:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 905686 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "nautilus assert failure: nautilus: ../../src/xcb_io.c:528: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed. (affects: 37) (dups: 34) (heat: 321)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/905686
[22:27] <bryceh> tjaalton, I'm sure I touch all the bugs recently ;-)  but yeah I remember this one
[22:28] <tjaalton> unlike me, only recently started looking at the precise bugs..
[22:30] <bdmurray> Its too bad the retracer removes dependencies.txt
[22:37] <bryceh> tjaalton, btw as you go through old bugs, if there are ones that have been verified as still affecting precise, tag them 'precise'.  Then later as fixes turn up, someone can track getting the fix into the LTS.
[22:39] <tjaalton> bryceh: yep, sure thing
[23:33] <Sarvatt> so wayland, then mesa, then xserver-xorg-video-vmware are ready to go. best not to copy from canonical-x this time since mesa will have to go through NEW and vmware is built against that I guess?
[23:36] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: absolutely sure we shouldn't squash all the post 0ubuntu1 changes into 0ubuntu1?
[23:36] <Sarvatt> (mesa)
[23:40] <Sarvatt> got all 3 packages here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~sarvatt/packages/
[23:40] <Sarvatt> fixed up the mesa source.changes to include everything since 7.11-1


[14:23] <daftykins> there's no relenting on this ear fun i've had, i went to the doctors for micro suction this morning as the specsavers lass did not like what she saw one bit
[14:24] <daftykins> debris was vacuumed out from the infection, which is evidently still ongoing, it bled a lot apparently... now i've got antibiotics and still need to spray in the mild acid (basically vinegar)
[14:24] <daftykins> it stung like heck a moment ago xD
[14:25] <daftykins> i've now been deaf in that side for weeks, but as of today i have a teeny tiny bit of hearing back
[14:35] <zxmpi> sounds horribly unpleasant :-/
[14:36] <daftykins> it's been a trip!
[14:40] <zxmpi> google assistant popup came back on my android phone. was most annoyed. had installed an alternative launcher to get rid of it before but it stopped working for some reason
[14:41] <zxmpi> finally found the setting to make google assistant NOT my voice assistant to eliminate it.
[14:41] <daftykins> hmm, got the apps disabled deep in the settings to kill it? or is it that sort of shortcut button press calling it up?
[14:41] <daftykins> ah
[14:42] <zxmpi> the lean launcher totally replaced it when i first got it a few years ago but in last month some update bypassed their bypass. was annoying the fuck out of me. wanted to smash the phone every time it popped up
[14:43] <zxmpi> press the home button a nano second too long and TURN ON GOOGLE ASSISTANT!
 please, talk to us...
[14:44] <zxmpi> fair enough just give a mo to put my cattle prod on charge :-)
[14:44] <daftykins> i'm surprised at you owning one anywho, what happened to the loyal army of Nokias!?
[14:46] <zxmpi> have to move with the times. you threaten to hit someone with a nokia 3310 these days and they don't know what it is
[14:46] <zxmpi> may have to retire it in a few weeks when vodafone turn off their 3g network
[14:47] <daftykins> now you threaten with an android and people won't even feel slightly intimidated!
[14:47] <daftykins> is it really that soon? i thought a UK 3G switchoff was coming, not that i live there, but when i looked it up it was 2035 or similar
[14:49] <zxmpi> 24-25 https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/advice-for-consumers/advice/3g-switch-off
[14:49] <zxmpi> they wanna force everyone onto 4g preferably 5g as they spent a fortune on licences
[14:49] <daftykins> weird i wonder what i read
[14:50] <zxmpi> might be island specific timetable?
[14:50] <daftykins> oh yeah totally separate telcos and what not
[14:50] <daftykins> black hole of telephony down here
[14:50] <zxmpi> they'll keep their kit till all the hamsters die
[14:50] <daftykins> :D
[14:51] <daftykins> yeah the gov asked them if they use any Huawei kit, they said they hadn't heard of that breed of hamster before
[14:51] <zxmpi> THEN buy in abandoned kit from mainland and use that till middle aged hamsters die :-)
[14:51] <daftykins> \o/
[14:52] <daftykins> there was that story a bit ago that here and Jersey were selling access to some old school mobile system that foreign spies were using to track mobiles worldwide, as a kind of +44 backdoor
[14:52] <zxmpi> i think this is how islands operate. seems to be why ireland was pushing isdn for years after world abandoned it
[14:52] <daftykins> good wrist slapping that earned them :D
[14:53] <daftykins> ah yeah, figures - i remember seeing a local news piece about ISDN ceasing being sold
[14:53] <daftykins> "The withdrawal of ISDN services in 2020"
[14:53] <zxmpi> not that they've stopped the service. just not signing up new people
[14:53] <daftykins> ja
[14:54] <daftykins> a client of mine has an ISDN circuit with a competing telco, providing a Mitel PBX with a few numbers
[14:54] <zxmpi> 64kbs weeeeeee. lets splash out and use the 2nd channel!
[14:55] <daftykins> \o/
[14:56] <daftykins> i'm feeling quite smug because an old client has ruined my holidays with arranging his house move from Monday, he has no chance in heck of getting the telco to move his services before new year i reckon
[14:57] <zxmpi> should be easy, they'll have no other business on. - custards thinking
[14:58] <daftykins> :D
[14:59] <daftykins> he's had the whole year when he could have moved over, as he owns both old and new - for years now, but no had to make it a hassle on others
[14:59] <zxmpi> apart from the senior tech engineers taking on the pfy engineers at the christmas doom challange to celebrate it's 30th anniversary
[15:00] <daftykins> ooh
[15:01] <zxmpi> a 48 hour extravaganza with prizes for most chainsaw kills etc.
[15:04] <daftykins> ah i remember borrowing the AST laptop from my Dad's work and doing null modem multiplayer games with a pal at home from our desktop back then
[15:04] <daftykins> both Pentium 1s
[15:05] <zxmpi> i abandoned my 386sx desktop for the dodgy 486dx desktop that crashed all the time. sorted out the different speed memory that was causing the crashes to have fasted pc in office
[15:05] <zxmpi> ast as well
[15:05] <daftykins> ooh
[15:05] <daftykins> no need to call 8bitguy for support? :)
[15:06] <zxmpi> i was so proud of that pc. it had network, sound, extra serial ports and a scanner all working. was an irq nightmare mind :-)
[15:07] <daftykins> hahaha, "just don't transfer a large file at the same time as scan"
[15:07] <zxmpi> you could use sound and network, scanner and serial ports. but don't cross the streams! that would be bad.
[15:08] <daftykins> any SCSI in the mix? i never touched it back in the day
[15:09] <zxmpi> not in that pc. i did a fair amount of scsi later. but even by then it was all adaptec cards which made it almost pleasant
[15:11] <daftykins> a client has managed to lose the replacement NAS HDDs i left at theirs on beginning a 4 bay swapover to fresh
[15:11] <daftykins> what numpties
[15:12] <zxmpi> they can think about that while paying for the replacements and waiting for them to be delivered over christmas time when there's not much happening in shipping industry
[15:16]  * zxmpi prepares to head to chemist for last time this year a week early so i don't have to go next week when every shop will be mad packed with last minute shoppers.
[15:17] <zxmpi> hope the ear gets better soon o/
[15:17] <daftykins> ty!


[13:17] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[21:13] <santa_> hi everyone
[21:13] <santa_> RikMills: I hope you are better now, FYI quick summary of the things I have been doing:
[21:14] <santa_> - small things in KA (not yet the '-c0' for gbp-ppa), just see the master branch
[21:16] <santa_> - I have corrected a big number of applications/gear packages watch files and upstream signatures, this is important to get the packages built without KA, or with KA using the watch file
[21:16] <santa_> - I have synced in git a few packages that were out of sync
[21:17] <santa_> - I have added a non-lto workaround to fix FTFBSes of kmail and kdepim-addons with latest binutils
[21:17] <santa_> - I have updated a couple of lintian overrides in a couple of apps packages
[21:18] <santa_> regarding the apps changes, if you do 21.12.2 tomorrow you should already have all the things in the _staging branches
[21:19] <santa_> if you need help with anything, just let me know :)
[21:22] <RikMills> santa_: thanks for all that. I had noted some of that from git, but some not, so great :)
[21:24] <RikMills> santa_: do you want me to keep the changelog trailer in your name for 21.12.2?
[21:25] <santa_> RikMills: I would say yes, for correctness, but also KA should do that automatically; I think KA doesn't do that se we could try to fix the thing 'on the fly', what do you think?
[21:26] <RikMills> yes, and fine with me
[21:27] <santa_> ok, so tomorrow when we have the tarballs we can check the current behavior and improve it if needed
[21:27] <RikMills> I though gbp-nr default was to keep the trailer, but started to dought my memory
[21:27] <santa_> I don't remember to be honest
[21:27] <santa_> I'm aware that gbp-ppa tends to 'hijack' changes from other people
[21:28] <santa_> so probably it would be nice to improve these kind of things
[21:28] <RikMills> I'll clone one repo and try gbp-nr when the tars are out. if the outcome is not great, I will ping
[21:28] <santa_> ack
[21:29] <RikMills> hopefully binutils will be fixed soon
[21:30] <santa_> yes, but how? last time I checked there wasn't any patch to fix that in upstream's git
[21:31] <RikMills> build time flag to set the behaviour as the old one I think
[21:32] <RikMills> * Configure with --with-isa-spec=2.2 on riscv64. LP: #1959325. Only change
[21:32] <RikMills>     to the new ISA when GCC 12 becomes the default.
[21:32] <santa_> ahhh, but that's another part of the drama
[21:33] <santa_> kmail and kdepim-addons were failing for all archs
[21:33] <santa_> that thing above is the riscv drama
[21:33] <santa_> well, nice to see there is a fix being work on
[21:34] <RikMills> oh, right. I have been focused on the riscv64 part as it would block all things using e-c-m compiler defaults
[21:35] <RikMills> forgot temporarily about the kmail etc thing


[04:38] <xequence> infinity: I'm traveling until Monday. Is the 3.5 SRU a big hurry?
[04:43] <bjf> xequence, you should be fine, the cycle is just starting we haven't even gotten all of *our* kernels in the pipe yet.
[04:45] <xequence> bjf: Thanks. Wasn't sure if it was the scheduled SRU. Next week then.
[05:19] <amitk> apw: smb`: morning! Do you guys have recommendations for an x86 machine brand (remote access of serial preferable) to use for kernel build and boot testing?
[05:20] <amitk> s/of/through
[05:44] <ppisati> moin
[06:49] <smb> morning
[06:53] <smb> amitk, Maybe not really machine brand. I'd probably look for a newer Xeon based board. You probably need to think a bit more storage controller as one older in one of our builders rather slows things down. Personally I like supermicro boards with IPMI controller for remote administration.
[07:31] <amitk> smb: thanks will look at something with a supermicro
[07:32]  * apw whines
[07:35] <amitk> smb: our main usecase is testing patches against x86 as we mangle various core subsystems
[07:36] <amitk> smb: so a server class machine isn't a requirements per-se. We're looking for wider coverage across x86 cpu generations
[07:37] <smb> amitk, Yeah, I just said Xeon for compile time. If you are not need a lot and quick you probably can just go with some i5 or i7.
[07:38] <smb> IPMI was what I found just too useful when working from somewhere else and having complete control over the box at home (reset, turn off). Intel has that AMT stuff but frankly it seems they don't wnat it to be used by "normal" people without Windows
[07:39] <smb> apw, Whassup? Bad morning or just morning in general?
[07:40] <apw> ugg morning, no
[07:41] <smb> apw, Just go back to bed man. :) (in case you are not still)
[08:17]  * ppisati -> reboot
[09:10]  * apw has a long and intense chat with apt-cacher-ng about its performance
[09:19]  * apw gets his 12lb sledge out and wacks her a few times
[09:21] <smb> apw, You need some lower expectations
[09:22] <apw> smb, heh just discovered that nightly 'maintenance' has been failing for the last 4 months, so it has not been expiring volatile files
[09:22] <apw> and after much f*king about with it, a manual zap of the cache was required to sort its head out
[09:23] <smb> Heh, I could imagine I got the same here... Not really likely to find out one has too many files
[09:26] <apw> no, except when they are volatile and don't get appropriatly timed out
[09:26] <apw> so you get a release updater from april
[09:28] <smb> apw, With your down, my pragmatic fix would have been rm -rf cache/*
[09:29] <apw> yeah i did that, that was the sledge hammer
[09:29] <smb> ah
[09:54] <apw> and in fact its behaviour is random, sigh, a few refreshes and all is well, wtg
[12:18]  * henrix -> lunch
[14:03] <apw> rtg, yo ... goldfish, was there meta changes to go with your kernel changes, i don't see 'em in the repo
[14:03] <rtg> apw, not yet
[14:04] <apw> rtg, do you have 'em done somewhere so i can base on top of it ?
[14:04] <apw> even if they arn't final yet
[14:05] <rtg> apw, there is a goldfish branch in ubuntu-saucy-meta
[14:05] <apw> rtg, yeah am based on that, but there is no i386 in there, if you anr't planning one that is ok i can ignore
[14:05] <rtg> apw, no, that I don't have yet
[14:06] <apw> ok i'll ignore and we can cross that when we get there
[14:31]  * rtg relocates
[15:11] <rtg> apw, https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ppa/+build/4959398/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.linux-goldfish_3.4.0-0.4%7Epre1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:19] <apw> rtg yeah saw ... am fixing ...
[15:30] <bjf> ppisati, P and Q ti-omap kernels ?
[15:31] <rtg> apw, do you have Mir running on any radeon GPUs ? I tried it on my Lenovo last night. It fell over with a resounding thud.
[15:32] <ppisati> bjf: i'm finishing one thing, than i'll do those
[15:32] <bjf> ppisati, cool, just a reminder
[15:43] <apw> rtg, i don't think i have a radeon ... and i am unsure where i am running mir :)
[15:43] <apw> how did you detect you were
[15:45] <rtg> apw, I set it up according to instructions on the wiki
[15:54] <apw> rtg, oh ... i see :)  got a pointer
[16:00] <apw> rtg yes hang on
[16:03] <rtg> infinity, whats the story on reiserfs in debian land ? I can't seem to find a discussion about _why_ reisferfs has been removed.
[16:03] <infinity> rtg: Because jail?  I have no idea.  You'd probably want to talk to Ben about it.
[16:04] <rtg> infinity, just wondered if you any insights. was just reading the ubuntu-devel thread
[16:04] <infinity> rtg: It's not something I've been following because I have zero carefactor.
[16:05] <rtg> xnox is proposing to disable it in the kernel, but I'm not so sure.
[16:05] <bjf> -1
[16:05] <apw> xnox, yo ... what was the background to debian dropping reiser ... i can see that we should drop it in the installer ... but kernel side we carry a heap of things enabled cause they are there and nothing more
[16:06] <xnox> bjf: rtg: it's not supported in upstream kernel, hence the reasoning to remove it in the debian kernel config. Are you going to maintain/keep-building reiserfs in newer kernels and backport stacks?
[16:06] <xnox> apw: why should anyone use reiserfs today?
[16:06] <xnox> apw: or floppy disks?
[16:07] <rtg> xnox, how is it not supported ? There have been 3 commits in the 3.12 merge window
[16:07] <xnox> rtg: oh, wow =)
[16:07] <apw> xnox, indeed but we have a floppy disk support just in case
[16:07] <xnox> apw: ok. one sec.
[16:07] <apw> for that one special character somewhere in iceland who uses one
[16:07] <xnox> apw: who also someone has PAE capable kernel?! =)
[16:08] <xnox> s/someone/somehow/
[16:08] <bjf> xnox, if it's in linus' tree there there is still "support". is it broken? is it trashing peoples data?
[16:08] <apw> hey i don't have to agree with all the decisions we have to amke :)
[16:10] <TsarObomba> hmm ikonia is not here, dangit
[16:11] <xnox> rtg: apw: bjf: so here is the original email from Ben Hutchings https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.debian.maint.boot/QO187Szy2_o with the list of modules he is dropping in the debian kernel config.
[16:12] <xnox> rtg: apw: bjf: at the same time debian-installer dropped support for those as well (e.g. reiserfs, ufs [!kfreebsd-any] )
[16:12] <rtg> xnox, that hardly seems to be sufficient justification. there are plenty of drivers that are 'barely maintained upstream'
[16:13] <xnox> rtg: ok. But is it ok for the installer to drop support for those filesystems in Ubuntu?
[16:13] <rtg> xnox, yes
[16:13] <xnox> and relevant udebs.
[16:13] <apw> xnox, so that just says that they won't package reiser so that it could be used in the installer
[16:13] <xnox> whilst stock kernel keeps on building them.
[16:13] <apw> xnox, it says nothing about whether they kernel is still using them
[16:13] <rtg> xnox, I'm fine with that as well since only the installer (really) uses udebs
[16:13] <apw> producing them
[16:14] <apw> xnox, perhaps we need a bug for this in which we can list the udebs you no longer need, and we can adjust as appropriate
[16:15] <xnox> apw: true. I didn't check if the kernel config was actually changed to drop those, or whether it was a pure udebs change.
[16:15] <apw> xnox, the wording as i read it is talking only about udeb changes
[16:15] <rtg> xnox, its just a packaging change
[16:16] <apw> and indeed perfectly sensible ones i suspect, who uses floppies for instalation media now
[16:16] <apw> get your pile to 2000 floppies and start feeding
[16:17] <xnox> apw: first operating system I installed in my life was with a CD-ROM drive.
[16:17] <xnox> =/
[16:17] <xnox> and my last three machine don't have CD-ROM drives & installed with usb-sticks.
[16:20] <xnox> rtg: bjf: apw: ok, sorry about the confusiong wrt. dropping installer support vs [ udebs as well [vs kernel config/modules as well]]. Please reply on the mailing-list that e.g. "kernel team will keep the config, but can drop udebs on request and doesn't mind not supporting those options in the installer"
[16:20] <xnox> or some such.
[16:21] <rtg> xnox, too late, I already did
[16:21] <rtg> reply on the list, I mean
[16:21] <xnox> rtg: thanks. I had some delay receiving it. So only received it after yours "too late, I already did"
[16:22] <xnox> =) thanks a lot.
[16:22] <rtg> no prblem, email isn't exactly real time
[17:51] <apw> rtg, ok in the ckt PPA is a set of linux, linux-meta, linux-goldfish, and linux-meta-goldfish packages, with the proposed changes for linux-tools applied.  they are all ~preN
[17:52] <rtg> apw, ack
[17:52] <apw> rtg, i am basically happy the concept is there i think and if you have no objections would proposed to upload them (with basically no other changes)
[17:52] <apw> so ... let me know :)
[17:52] <rtg> ok. gimme a bit
[17:52] <apw> once they are in and good, i'll do the 'rest of the world' to match
[17:52] <apw> rtg, no rush
[17:53] <apw> rtg, if you are looking for 'why is it like this' type information the whole why is documented in the linked bug
[17:53] <rtg> apw, ack
[18:06] <TsarObomba> Hi, I am having an intermittent issue with a 3.10 kernel on 13.04, on two different machines, and even on arch too
[18:07] <TsarObomba> It intermittenly just hangs on boot and does nothing
[18:07] <TsarObomba> And these are different patchset 3.10 kernels too it happens on
[18:07] <TsarObomba> Has anyone seen this on 3.10? How may I try and troubleshoot?
[18:08] <TsarObomba> I know that yes, they are not official ubuntu kernels, but they are pacvkaged for ubuntu and lots of users use them.
[18:08] <TsarObomba> And it also happened using a 3.10 mainline kernel from the ubuntu kernel ppa mirror
[18:08] <apw> TsarObomba, i don't think a significant number of people ran with 3.10, though my feeling was 3.10 wasn't very good
[18:08] <apw> i have had much less pain with 3.11
[18:10] <TsarObomba> good to hear
[18:10] <TsarObomba> One of my favorite patchsets should have 3.11 soon
[18:11] <TsarObomba> pf already does, but they dont package for debian or ubuntu, so i gotta wait for the guy who makes those packages to update his mirror
[18:11] <TsarObomba> And liquorix (the guy from zen kernel, damentz, makes it) hasnt updated. they just did 3.10.3 last night
[18:15] <rtg> apw, what branches have you pushed with the tools packaging name changes ?
[18:23] <apw> rtg, ok ubuntu-saucy master-next and goldfish, ubuntu-saucy-meta master and goldfish, all pushed
[18:23] <rtg> apw, cool, thanks
[18:41] <TsarObomba> Does ubuntu have a ubuntupatched 3.10 kernel?
[18:41] <TsarObomba> for 13.10 or something?
[18:41] <TsarObomba> I know it has mainline, but id like to pull the .config from a ubuntu patched kernel
[18:42] <apw> TsarObomba, the config in teh mainline kernel build was seeded from the ubuntu config at the time.  there are also tags for all out kernels in the git repo including any 3.10 uploads we did, you can also get those same source trees from the archive
[18:43]  * rtg -> lunch
[18:44] <TsarObomba> i found what i was lookiung for
[18:45] <TsarObomba> im trying to recompile a 3.11 kernel
[18:45] <TsarObomba> with a different patchset and make it for deb
[19:04] <TsarObomba> apw: where could i maybe find the source for the deb of the mainline kernels?
[19:04] <TsarObomba> like this: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.10-saucy/
[19:04] <TsarObomba> I just want the .config from it
[19:04] <TsarObomba> i guess i can open up the deb
[19:06] <apw> TsarObomba, the config is applied as one of the patche sin the mainline kernel directory
[19:06] <TsarObomba> eh
[19:06] <TsarObomba> its ok
[19:06] <TsarObomba> i just extracted the deb and pulled it
[19:08] <apw> TsarObomba, we try and be very transparent to allow people to reproduce you
[19:08] <apw> s/you/what we have done/
[19:09] <TsarObomba> yup
[21:15]  * rtg -> EOD
[21:22] <ChickenCutlass> apw, ping
[23:46] <DarkPlayer> hi, i have a question which may no directly fit in here, but maybe someone can still answer it: I am currently working with mount namespaces and want to get a single directory to have write access while the parent directory should have read only access (The directories are on the same mount point).
[23:46] <DarkPlayer> is it possible to do a mount bind before unsharing the mount namespace so that i can remount the filesystem as readonly while the mount bind still keeps right access?


[00:20] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: hey
[00:21] <kristian-aalborg> I was going to ask you about some ssh/ftp stuff but I figured it out :)
[00:23] <Juest> well, the system sux, too slow
[00:23] <Juest> two x servers
[00:23] <Juest> and in a vm that haves 384mb
[00:23] <Juest> UPS WRONG CHAN
[00:23] <Juest> sryy caps
[00:23] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: cool :)
[00:24] <aztek> hi duanedisign
[00:29] <aztek> is it goo if i am use to suspend my computer if i am away?
[02:13] <seidos> hey yofel_ thanks for the tip, beta2 is booting from liveusb
[02:13] <seidos> no idea what changed, but, cool
[02:15] <seidos> huh "irqbalance" that's a new binary in top
[02:31] <thewrath> heyu all
[02:47] <thewrath> anyone in here?
[02:49] <UndiFineD> hello thewrath
[02:49] <thewrath> Hey UndiFineD
[02:50] <thewrath> do you know where i can purchase a "real" hub?
[02:50] <UndiFineD> I think you mean a switch
[02:50] <UndiFineD> as network equipment
[02:51] <charlie-tca> Kind of depends on where you are located. I picked up a 16port switch on Amazon for $20.00
[02:52] <charlie-tca> I also purchased a 5 port switch at Walmart for $35.00
[02:52] <thewrath> no i need a hub
[02:52] <thewrath> there are hubs (old i know), switches, and routers
[02:52] <thewrath> i am using snort and need something that will send the traffic all ports
[02:53] <UndiFineD> coax will do that job :P
[02:53] <UndiFineD> 10 mbit
[02:53] <charlie-tca> Might try Amazon, or ebay. I don't know, I am not close to any of the computer stores
[02:58] <thewrath> UndiFineD: what do you mean coax
[02:58] <thewrath> i have al a normal Rj45 network
[03:00] <UndiFineD> coax is the kind of cable that is used for tv
[03:03] <UndiFineD> I still have 2 coax nics and a bit of cabling
[03:04] <UndiFineD> I used it in the past until the hardware became too slow
[03:05] <UndiFineD> but it was fun to demonstrate routing among coax and stp networks
[05:58] <Elise002> Quiet here tonight.
[05:59] <bioterror> r5
[10:05] <chak> hello
[10:14] <ray_> I got a question
[10:15] <ray_> A long time ago my uncle gave me a CD he put Ubuntu onto
[10:16] <ray_> Well, he wrote on it support= some letters - numbers
[10:16] <ray_> what is that for?
[10:16] <ray_> what did he put that on there for?
[10:17] <UndiFineD> hello ray
[10:17] <ray_> hello
[10:17] <UndiFineD> what does it say ?
[10:18] <ray_> I kind of can't read it because of his hand writing
[10:18] <UndiFineD> ah
[10:18] <ray_> but it says support= letters-numbers which I am guessing a password or something but that doesn't make sense to me
[10:19] <UndiFineD> well, it might be Ubuntu 10.04 Long term support
[10:19] <UndiFineD> LTS
[10:19] <ray_> what is it for, as in where do I go to use this what is perhaps a password?
[10:19] <ray_> no lol, it's older
[10:19] <UndiFineD> for ubuntu we have the current version, 10.10 that is oktober 2010
[10:20] <ray_> I think it is Gutsy Gibbons
[10:20] <UndiFineD> but also 10.04 which is april 2010
[10:20] <ray_> I know, I have it on a cd as well
[10:20] <ray_> I have all the versions of Ubuntu so far mentioned
[10:20] <ray_> on cd
[10:20] <ray_> ha ha ha
[10:20] <UndiFineD> ok
[10:21] <ray_> hmm, well, thanks for trying
[10:21] <UndiFineD> so I have no idea what the letters could mean
[10:21] <UndiFineD> or perhaps it might be a voucher for canonical support
[10:21] <ray_> I have always wondered. I could ask him, but I would rather not
[10:22] <ray_> Has canonical been with Ubuntu since the beginning?
[10:23] <ray_> Something about Open Suse and Ubuntu rings a bell for me when I had read something about them
[10:23] <UndiFineD> so ray_ , have you been watching the news, what do you think of 11.04 the natty narwhal to be released ?
[10:23] <ray_> I haven't tried it yet
[10:23] <ray_> What do you think>
[10:23] <UndiFineD> yes, canonical is the company that started ubuntu
[10:23] <ray_> I meant that as a question mark lol
[10:23] <ray_> O
[10:24] <UndiFineD> well I could tell you what i think, but I am interested from a marketing perspective to you
[10:24] <ray_> sorry, right Open suse was joining forces with Microsoft or something
[10:25] <ray_> Marketing perspective, hmm, I am not how I can help you
[10:25] <UndiFineD> have you heard of the change of interface ?
[10:25] <ray_> give me a sec
[10:25] <ray_> uh, don't tell me
[10:26] <ray_> I forget, but something to do with the new purple them, If I am right it starts with a P
[10:26] <ray_> Plymouth
[10:27] <ray_> is that it?
[10:27] <ray_> no, no
[10:27] <UndiFineD> :)
[10:27] <ray_> I must be wrong
[10:27] <ray_> OK, I don't know then
[10:27] <UndiFineD> Unity
[10:27] <ray_> I will look into it
[10:29] <ray_> Is Gnome still being used?, I mean is it a separate kind of thing, or is it a replacement for Gnome?
[10:30] <ray_> OK, it will replace it
[10:30] <ray_> I see
[10:30] <ray_> I wonder how well that will go
[10:31] <ray_> I am pretty used to Gnome but what ever
[10:33] <ray_> Thank you for telling me this
[10:33] <ray_> I will end up trying it, then who knows
[10:35] <ray_> With open suse, it gave people the option to either use gnome or kde, I can only hope that the makers of Ubuntu will have both for download or something like that, but I can see that being a problem because it would take too much time to work on both
[10:35] <UndiFineD> :)
[10:35] <ray_> Well, I don't have much else to say
[10:35] <ray_> take care
[10:35] <UndiFineD> gnome is still there, but as a fallback or switch to option
[10:35] <ray_> Cool
[10:36] <UndiFineD> thanks for telling me
[10:36] <ray_> ty
[10:36] <UndiFineD> it provides some more insight
[10:36] <ray_> I don't know how that helps you
[10:37] <ray_> Hm, I hope recordmydesktop works in the next release of Ubuntu
[10:37] <ray_> I am not sure what caused it not to work for me
[10:38] <ray_> I should try it out before installing the graphics driver of nvidia
[10:38] <ray_> and so on
[10:38] <popey> i have it working on my machine
[10:38] <UndiFineD> well, it provides insight on how well the changes that the community makes are being communicated to you as a user
[10:38] <UndiFineD> hey popey
[10:38] <popey> lo
[10:38] <ray_> Well, I have a fresh install of Ubuntu to try testing it again
[10:39] <ray_> I think I should save that config file for recordmydesktop before doing anything
[10:39] <UndiFineD> backups are always wise to have
[10:40] <popey> :)
[10:40] <ray_> No, I think I remember it not working because of something else, because it worked then I tried it with hydrogen drum machine with jack control then it didn't work
[10:40] <UndiFineD> popey, I still have not received an email about an ubuntu.com email address
[10:41] <popey> you wont
[10:41] <UndiFineD> aha
[10:41] <ray_> I can't remember what I did wrong, so testing testing testing
[10:41] <popey> it just magically works
[10:41] <UndiFineD> ok, so I could just add it to my gmail
[10:41] <popey> i just sent you a test mail
[10:41] <popey> and it hasnt bounced
[10:42] <ray_> alright, take care guys, I am going to chill
[10:42] <ray_> bye
[10:42] <UndiFineD> indeed
[10:43] <UndiFineD> see you ray_
[10:43] <popey> :D
[10:43] <ray_> see ya
[10:43] <popey> that worked then :)
[10:43] <ray_> :p
[10:43] <ray_> :o
[10:43] <ray_> runs
[12:17] <GOMI> can someone tell were to look if i have troubles with my login ?  it keeps kicking me back to login screen ?
[12:17] <GOMI> if you have any ideas just tell me , ill go search for the rest
[12:23] <UndiFineD> hello GOMI
[12:23] <GOMI> UndiFineD,  hey
[12:24] <UndiFineD> so you login and you are getting a desktop and it kicks back to login ?
[12:24] <UndiFineD> or does it just cycle login page
[12:24] <GOMI> yes after working a little , so now am working buts it a matter of time then it kickes me back
[12:25] <GOMI> what do you mean cycle login page
[12:25] <UndiFineD> then one of the open applications is bugging
[12:25] <GOMI> yes i have deleted some stuff like chrome and compiz stuff
[12:26] <UndiFineD> trouble is, there are many applications running when you are on the desktop
[12:26] <GOMI> i know :p thats why i dont really know were to look
[12:26] <UndiFineD> well it even can be your network manager
[12:27] <UndiFineD> what version of ubuntu are you running ?
[12:27] <GOMI> 10.10
[12:27] <UndiFineD> ok, and when did you last update ?
[12:28] <GOMI> not very long ago
[12:28] <UndiFineD> alright, do you know if your internet provider hands out new ip addresses often
[12:28] <UndiFineD> often as in daily
[12:29] <GOMI> no idk
[12:29] <UndiFineD> some providers disconnect their users every 2 hours
[12:29] <GOMI> hmm
[12:30] <UndiFineD> there are so many possibilities here, it is hard to pinpoint what is wrong
[12:31] <UndiFineD> does it happen at regular intervals, or at the same time of the day ?
[12:31] <GOMI> just kicked out :p
[12:31] <UndiFineD> there are so many possibilities here, it is hard to pinpoint what is wrong
[12:31] <UndiFineD> does it happen at regular intervals, or at the same time of the day ?
[12:32] <GOMI> you know when i click something somethimes i see a white border on de screen flickering once
[12:32] <GOMI> left and right
[12:32] <GOMI> every time i work on it , ive been looking for 2weeks now
[12:33] <UndiFineD> [13:30] <GOMI> just kicked out :p
[12:33] <UndiFineD> it might be a crontab job that goes wrong
[12:33] <GOMI> cant i see it in log files ?
[12:34] <UndiFineD> sometimes
[12:35] <UndiFineD> system -> administration -> logfile viewer
[12:35] <GOMI> yes am looking now :p
[12:36] <GOMI> 12:47:14 Gomi bonobo-activation-server (hanazuki-1937): could not associate with desktop session: Error connecting: Connection refused
[12:36] <GOMI> Apr 14 12:47:22 Gomi pulseaudio[2124]: pid.c: Stale PID file, overwriting.
[12:37] <GOMI> what is that bonobo server ?
[12:37] <UndiFineD> http://linux.die.net/man/1/bonobo-activation-server
[12:39] <UndiFineD> so something goes wrong with that, it might be your graphics card drivers or some corruption in bonobo
[12:39] <UndiFineD> dont worry about pulseaudio
[12:40] <GOMI> oke am doing a search for common error with bonobo
[13:07] <xskydevilx> Does anyone know how to make an .ISO image of a disc?
[13:29] <hobgoblin> anyone in here anygood with mpd clients? mpd starts, library reads - clients refuse to play though
[16:14] <aztek> hi duanedesign
[16:25] <loranger> Hi Guys, I just plugged my camera into the computer to download pictures but I cannot find it to open it. Nothing popped up and I cannot figure out where to go to open the camera in the menus .... any help appreciated
[16:27] <loranger> anybody ????
[16:29] <bioterror> dmesg in terminal
[16:29] <bioterror> look if kernel sees your camera
[16:30] <bioterror> i would suggest to use card reader
[16:30] <bioterror> its faster, and doesnt consumpt battery
[16:31] <bioterror> definately a card reader
[16:34] <loranger> Ok let me try :)
[16:37] <loranger> ok well I am looking for the dmesg in terminal but I cannot locate the Terminal ( yeah I am kinda useless at this my brother installed it on my PC and I am having a hard time with it )
[17:32] <joegutting123> Hello, I'm new and I'm trying to set up a mail server.  I've been following this howto:  PostfixVirtualMailBoxClamSmtpHowto  and get all the way through, but it seems to be hanging on the authentication.  Anyone familiar with this?
[18:18] <clarkthehardy910> hello beginner support team and thank you for your time. I'm trying to learn how to use scripts and launchers to create a shortcut to starting my openvpn in the terminal, so that my girl friend can use it without having to know all the commands, is there a way to do this so it can be started with one click?
[18:19] <clarkthehardy910> I've been reading linuxcommand.org but it's a little over my head and a bit too detailed
[18:23] <charlie-tca> clarkthehardy910: not knowing how to start openvpn myself, I would start by creating a file with the commands you use listed one per line.
[18:24] <charlie-tca> name it something like "startopenvpn" and change the properties so it is executable (chmod 755 ) works
[18:24] <clarkthehardy910> @charlie thank you
[18:25] <charlie-tca> Then create a launcher with the file name as the command to run, including the path (~/startopenvpn)
[18:25] <charlie-tca> Starting point, anyway
[18:25] <clarkthehardy910> charlie-tca: one command per line, right?  does it matter which directory I save the file in? and extension?
[18:26] <charlie-tca> one command per line, save it in ~/  normally, which is your user home
[18:26] <clarkthehardy910> charlie-tca: is there an easy way to give it root permissions?
[18:26] <charlie-tca> extension doesn't matter unless you want to add one
[18:26] <clarkthehardy910> on my system openvpn must be run in the etc/openvpn directory
[18:27] <clarkthehardy910> how do I add that command in the script, just with the cd?
[18:29] <clarkthehardy910> charlie-tca: I'm a little confused about the #! comment at the beginning, should I indicate /etc/openvpn in that line?
[18:33] <charlie-tca> make it #!bash
[18:33] <clarkthehardy910> charlie-tca: thank you
[18:33] <charlie-tca> it tells the system what to use to make it work
[18:34] <clarkthehardy910> should I use bin/bash or just bash
[18:34] <clarkthehardy910> #!bin/bash or #!bin/bash
[18:35] <charlie-tca> #!/bin/bash
[18:35] <charlie-tca> I looked this time to get it right
[18:36] <charlie-tca> no spaces either
[18:36] <clarkthehardy910> ok, thank you so much
[18:36] <charlie-tca> That is the only thing on that first line, too
[18:36] <UndiFineD> #!/bin/sh
[18:37] <clarkthehardy910> and how about the sudo and cd commands should I include those as well?
[18:37] <clarkthehardy910> or is that put in the launcher?
[18:38] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:38] <charlie-tca> if you use them, you include them
[18:38] <clarkthehardy910> ok, thanks
[18:39] <UndiFineD> #!/bin/sh
[18:39] <UndiFineD> cd /my/work/path
[18:39] <charlie-tca> you use stuff like       echo "enter a password" to tell the user what to do, too
[18:39] <UndiFineD> sudo something
[18:39] <charlie-tca> echo "enter a password"
[18:39] <charlie-tca> sudo ???
[18:40] <charlie-tca> going to lunch now
[18:40] <clarkthehardy910> charlie-tca: do you mean it is automatically root?
[18:40] <clarkthehardy910> if I give it permission which chmod?
[18:41] <clarkthehardy910> UndiFineD: are you saying sh because of the kind of command it is?
[18:42] <UndiFineD> no, it is because it make it more os independant
[18:42] <UndiFineD> often /bin/sh exists
[18:43] <UndiFineD> being either a symlink or shell
[18:43] <UndiFineD> even on solaris
[18:43] <clarkthehardy910> ok, so I will put sh
[18:44] <UndiFineD> clarkthehardy910, be sure to read about ksh and tcsh shells if you need to make your script os independant
[18:44] <UndiFineD> some commands are not available on other unixes while they are on linux
[18:45] <clarkthehardy910> UndiFineD: its not os independent, it is only for my computer
[18:45] <UndiFineD> well, it is always fun to learn about it
[18:45] <clarkthehardy910> UndiFineD: I just want to make a simple click for my girl friend to start it, so that she doens't have to type in the commands
[18:45] <clarkthehardy910> when she wants to start the vpn
[18:45] <UndiFineD> true
[18:45] <clarkthehardy910> we live in China
[18:45] <clarkthehardy910> and without the vpn
[18:45] <clarkthehardy910> no access to facebook, youtube
[18:46] <clarkthehardy910> hulu etc
[18:46] <bioterror> clarkthehardy910, you cant watch back to the future any more, or quantum leap :(
[18:46] <clarkthehardy910> hahaha
[18:46] <clarkthehardy910> so im a pretty busy beginner
[18:46] <clarkthehardy910> and would really like to get this done so that when she wakes up in the morning, she can just click and boom can check her facebook
[18:47] <UndiFineD> soon, wifi is strong enough to cover 1000s of kilometers
[18:47] <clarkthehardy910> =) nice
[18:47] <bioterror> UndiFineD, what are you taking? :D
[18:47] <UndiFineD> coffee
[18:47] <bioterror> I'll ordere the same
[18:48] <UndiFineD> senseo dark raos
[18:48] <clarkthehardy910> so its this good: #!bin/bash
[18:48] <clarkthehardy910> cd /etc/openvpn
[18:48] <UndiFineD> roast
[18:48] <clarkthehardy910> openvpn --config ibVPN\ US-Washington.ovpn
[18:48] <UndiFineD> seems good
[18:48] <UndiFineD> or maybe add the sudo
[18:48] <UndiFineD> or gksu for graphics
[18:49] <UndiFineD> gksudo
[18:49] <clarkthehardy910> so I need to add the sudo plus the passcode  right?
[18:49] <clarkthehardy910> or if i dont add it, will it ask for it in the terminal?
[18:49] <clarkthehardy910> openvpn is a terminal based program
[18:49] <UndiFineD> sudo openvpn --config ibVPN\ US-Washington.ovpn
[18:50] <clarkthehardy910> ok, thanks
[18:50] <clarkthehardy910> an empty line between #!bin/bash and cd /etc/openvpn
[18:50] <clarkthehardy910> or no line?
[18:50] <UndiFineD> bioterror, even the old class A wifi was used (boosted) to communicate with the ISS
[18:51] <UndiFineD> does not matter
[18:51] <UndiFineD> but be sure that is /bin/bash
[18:52] <UndiFineD> the / are important
[18:53] <clarkthehardy910> ok, i did it and it changed colors
[18:53] <clarkthehardy910> is that a good sign?
[18:53] <bioterror> #!/bin/bash
[18:53] <clarkthehardy910> but now when i try to chmod 755 filename
[18:53] <clarkthehardy910> it says it cannot access it
[18:53] <clarkthehardy910> i gave it the filename startwashvpn
[18:54] <clarkthehardy910> maybe its in the wrong directory
[18:54] <bioterror> UndiFineD, must be fast wifi then to ISS
[18:55] <clarkthehardy910>  ~ is root
[18:55] <UndiFineD> bioterror, yes, burst traffic with ham like fallback
[18:55] <clarkthehardy910> chmod: cannot access 'startwashvpn': no such file or directory
[18:55] <clarkthehardy910> what's wrong?
[18:55] <UndiFineD> the file is not where you say it is
[18:56] <UndiFineD> chmod 750 ~/startwashvpn
[18:56] <clarkthehardy910> ok
[18:56] <UndiFineD> rwxrw----
[19:00] <clarkthehardy910> ok, the chmod worked, but now when I test the script I get bash:startwashvpn:command not found
[19:00] <clarkthehardy910> i did a dir
[19:00] <clarkthehardy910> and the file is in my ~ folder
[19:04] <clarkthehardy910> nevermind!
[19:04] <clarkthehardy910> I used create launcher with it and it works!
[19:04] <clarkthehardy910> UndiFineD: thank you!
[19:04] <clarkthehardy910> bioterror: thanks to you too!
[19:04] <clarkthehardy910> charlie-tca: thanks to you for helping get started!
[19:04] <clarkthehardy910> UndiFineD: you are a great help, thanks!
[19:04] <clarkthehardy910> bioterror: thank you too!
[19:04] <UndiFineD> :)
[19:04] <bioterror> I did nothing? :D
[19:05] <UndiFineD> you were here, thats what counts
[19:05] <UndiFineD> in spirit :P
[19:05] <clarkthehardy910> exactly
[19:05] <clarkthehardy910> thanks and have a great day
[19:05] <clarkthehardy910> going to bed now
[19:15] <faouzi> hey
[22:09] <mihaita99> Did they solve the HDD heating up bug in Ubuntu?
[22:11] <holstein> maybe thats specific to some particular hardware
[22:11] <holstein> mihaita99: whats the bug#?
[22:12] <mihaita99> the hard disk of my laptop used to heat up extremely without reason, just reading an article
[22:12] <mihaita99> the HDD was spinning continously
[22:12] <holstein> intersting
[22:12] <holstein> whats the bug#?
[22:12] <holstein> did you file it?
[22:13] <mihaita99> It was long time ago, 2 years ago, I don't remember
[22:13] <mihaita99> many people had that bug on laptops
[22:13] <mihaita99> yes, I filed it, of course
[22:14] <holstein> you can see it in your LP account
[22:14] <holstein> your bugs list
[22:14] <holstein> lets look and see
[22:14] <holstein> maybe its specific to certain hardware
[22:15] <mihaita99> http://markmail.org/message/bbffjpzjajdbv6wo
[22:15] <mihaita99> there is the bug, I found it
[22:16] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/399978
[22:16] <holstein> ^ ?
[22:17] <mihaita99> yes
[22:17] <mihaita99> that the bug
[22:17] <mihaita99> yes
[22:18] <mihaita99> 399978
[22:18] <holstein> your elena09?
[22:18] <mihaita99> no
[22:19] <mihaita99> a friend
[22:19] <holstein> is it still happening to you?
[22:19] <holstein> did it ever happen to you?
[22:19] <mihaita99> I thought it was solved
[22:19] <holstein> what kernel was it?
[22:19] <mihaita99> it happened to me too, of course
[22:20] <holstein> did you or your friend try any mainline kernel tests?
[22:20] <mihaita99> Ubuntu 9.04
[22:20] <holstein> an easy way to test is with the live CD's
[22:20] <holstein> you should be able to just DL an iso
[22:20] <holstein> burn it or make a bootable USB
[22:20] <holstein> and get to the live desktop
[22:20] <mihaita99> I tried many things, and the community guided me, but useless
[22:21] <holstein> mihaita99: so it still happens with the 11.04 live CD?
[22:21] <mihaita99> I don't know, was the bug solved in 11.04?
[22:21] <holstein> well, i havent encountered the bug
[22:22] <holstein> so i can confirm that for your hardware
[22:22] <holstein> but, you could
[22:22] <holstein> since you seem to have the hardware in question
[22:22] <holstein> and its relatively easy to test
[22:23] <mihaita99> can I test it without deleting windows?
[22:23] <holstein> sure
[22:23] <holstein> its a live CD
[22:23] <mihaita99> ok
[22:23] <holstein> you download the iso
[22:23] <mihaita99> ok
[22:23] <holstein> either burn it to cd
[22:23] <holstein> or make a live USB
[22:23] <holstein> and boot it
[22:23] <holstein> and *dont* install
[22:23] <holstein> just try it live
[22:24] <mihaita99> my hdd is cold now and I've used it for many hours, all day long
[22:24] <holstein> theres a lot of attitude in that bug report
[22:24] <holstein> i see my friend jeremy closed it out
[22:24] <mihaita99> attitude?
[22:24] <holstein> i could always mention it to him
[22:25] <holstein> yeah, from Elena09
[22:25] <holstein> i mean, a large percentage of what happens in ubuntu is voluntary
[22:25] <holstein> and tracking down these bugs is sometimes very challening
[22:26] <mihaita99> oh, I know, understand now
[22:26] <holstein> and requires a lot of patients
[22:26] <holstein> BUT, it can happen
[22:26] <holstein> and does happen
[22:26] <mihaita99> I know, she switched back to windows, but I'm stubborn
[22:26] <holstein> you just need to file a bug, and be persistent about it
[22:26] <holstein> hey, whatever works
[22:26] <mihaita99> I'll try 11.04
[22:26] <holstein> im just reading, and trying to see whats up there
[22:27] <holstein> ive never heard about hard drives getting hot
[22:27] <holstein> so, i can assume its going to be a small hardware base
[22:27] <holstein> some ide controller
[22:27] <holstein> or specific hard drive
[22:27] <holstein> or something
[22:28] <holstein> that the kernel is not communicating with well
[22:28] <mihaita99> hard disk driver?
[22:29] <holstein> that or something on the way to it
[22:29] <holstein> very plausible
[22:30] <mihaita99> so, where should I go, to the hdd manufacturer? Or laptop's?
[22:31] <holstein> if i were you
[22:31] <holstein> i would just test with the latest kernel
[22:31] <holstein> and go from there
[22:32] <mihaita99> ok, thanks a lot for your patience
[22:32] <mihaita99> I'll test it
[22:32] <holstein> mihaita99: anytime
[22:32] <holstein> enjoy
[22:32] <mihaita99> bye bye
[23:00] <disorient> i am having trouble adding users in ftpd, it will allow my account with sudo but not my other users.


[00:10] <gordonjcp> rlameiro: evening
[00:10]  * gordonjcp -> bed
[00:10] <gordonjcp> nn all
[20:17] <compuman> I just installed Ubuntu Studio on a Windows 7 machine. when i tried to boot my truecrypt bootloader wouldn't accept my pass.  I know that pass and i have the ISO, but i need to mount my encrypted drive. the machine i installed on won't boot any live OSes i've tried. HELP!
[20:18] <holstein> compuman: hey
[20:18] <holstein> im heading out
[20:19] <holstein> and its slow in here
[20:19] <compuman> heyk
[20:19] <compuman> K
[20:19] <holstein> you might want to try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners
[20:19] <compuman> ok
[20:19] <compuman> thanks
[20:19] <holstein> this is not an ubuntustudio specific issue
[20:19] <holstein> *in theory
[20:19] <compuman> ok
[20:19] <holstein> compuman: what is a truecrypt bootloader?
[20:19] <holstein> thats what i would look into
[20:19] <holstein> when you install buntu
[20:19] <holstein> buntu wants to install GRUB
[20:20] <holstein> and if you didnt say "dont install grub"
[20:20] <holstein> it did, or tried to
[20:20] <holstein> and whatever bootloader you had is probably upset
[20:20] <holstein> usually, dual booters use GRUB
[20:20] <compuman> truecrypt bootloader sits on top of the native bootloader and decrypts my main Windows HDD partition
[20:20] <holstein> to boot win, lin and whatever
[20:21] <holstein> compuman: who makes it?
[20:21] <holstein> is it capable of booting lin?
[20:21] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[20:21] <holstein> ^^ this might be relavant
[20:21] <holstein> IF you can get rid of your current bootloader
[20:21] <compuman> truecrypt makes the bootloader  and i've been booting linux for 9 months with this setup.
[20:22] <holstein> and install grub to your disk with a live CD
[20:22] <holstein> compuman: hmmm
[20:22] <holstein> im not familiar with it
[20:22] <holstein> but, i would start there
[20:22] <compuman> ok thanks for the help!
[20:22] <holstein> http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[20:22] <holstein> i thin...
[20:23] <holstein> oh well :)