[12:14] <Sanne> evfreshman2025: no, you can install whatever whenever, usually
[12:14] <mikey> <-- noob
[12:14] <mikey> yorokobi: ty
[12:14] <evfreshman2025> Okay well for some reason it wont let me install anything
[12:14] <Yorokobi> mikey, everyone is a n00b at something. You're welcome
[12:14] <evfreshman2025> it says its installed, but no changes have been made
[12:15] <mikey> <-- linux nOOb in general
[12:15] <mikey> but learning
[12:15] <Yorokobi> evfreshman2025, what is installed and what changes were you expecting?
[12:16] <evfreshman2025> well i try to turn on Flash_9 and when i click install, and click on apply settings
[12:16] <evfreshman2025> it dosent work
[12:16] <mikey> yorokobi: trying to    install a linux media server into a windows network.  Got Samba to work, but cannot access the shares
[12:16] <mikey> user pass issue I suspect
[12:17] <Yorokobi> mikey, yeah, good luck with that.
[12:17] <mikey> I can see the share in network places, but when I click on it, I cannot get in
[12:17] <mikey> grrrrrrrrr
[12:22] <frojnd> how can I see history of specific user on my system??
[12:22] <frojnd> histroy of konsole?
[12:24] <mikey> no idea m8, newbie here
[12:35] <TheSpunkyLobster> hey all... i was getting help using gpart earlier to try and recover a lost partition on my laptop, i've finished a scan now, and need to try and specify and then mount the partition but can't remember how to do it
[12:43] <Kite_DH> can somebody help me fix my java?
[12:45] <Irayo> How can I make Kubuntu/KDE recognize my fourth/fifth/sixth mouse buttons?
[12:51] <shadowhywind> does anyone know where teh default usplash is located?
[12:51] <dec> does anyone know how to upgrade to the new version of ubuntu that is out on beta without downloading it.
[12:52] <shadowhywind> dec you mean without downloading the dvd?
[12:52] <dec> yes without downloading the dvd
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> dec: see the topic
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[01:03] <dec> tried to upgrade and I keep receiving an error Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[01:09] <danny500> hey guy's
[01:09] <nixternal> hey, you never know, there could be some ladies here as well ;p
[01:09] <danny500> does anyone know where the save games files are for the game Wesnoth?
[01:10] <danny500> oh yeah, Heyy girls :D
[01:10] <danny500> nixternal, you a girl?
[01:10] <nixternal> ummm, sure
[01:10] <danny500> lol
[01:10] <danny500> so are we alone here or something?
[01:10] <danny500> ahaha
[01:10] <nixternal> obviously you haven't seen http://chi.ubuntu-us.org and see me talking ;)
[01:11] <danny500> nope
[01:11] <Admiral_Chicago> be careful around nixternal. he eats small children
[01:11] <danny500> I'll go check it now :)
[01:11] <nixternal> I am about 6'3 230 pounds, I would make one hell of an ugly girl
[01:11] <danny500> lol
[01:11] <nixternal> oh wait, we don't have flickr up anymore on that site
[01:11] <danny500> I'm 5'10" and weigh 150 pounds lol
[01:11] <nixternal> go to flickr and look for ubuntu chicago
[01:12] <leopartux> Sysinfo for 'leopartux-laptop': Linux 2.6.17-10-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)Mprocessor1.60GHz at 600 MHz (1197 bogomips), , RAM: 226/233MB, 90 proc's, 1.1h up
[01:12] <mikey> got it finally
[01:13] <mikey> linux and windows are now bed buddies on my net
[01:13] <nixternal> hahahahahahaha
[01:13] <danny500> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[01:13] <danny500> your machine does 1197 bogomips
[01:13] <mikey> gawd that took all day
[01:13] <danny500> mine does 1300 and mines only a 550MHz cpu lol
[01:13] <mikey> 'course I'm a bit of a linux nOOb
[01:14] <danny500> it's ok
[01:14] <danny500> we all are
[01:14] <mikey> thx all your your guidance
[01:14] <danny500> lol
[01:15] <TheDebugger> 1597.2 bogomips :D
[01:15] <danny500> oh nice
[01:15] <TheDebugger> My Pentium M 2.26Mhz @ 798Mhz :P
[01:15] <mikey> c-ya all later
[01:16] <danny500> 551.313 MHz can't go without that extra 0.313MHz of speed lol
[01:16] <danny500> I'm thinking of over clocking this thing to551.4MHz :D
[01:19] <BluesKaj> strange that adept doesn't see the upgraded pkges that I installed already , it's trying to "upgrade" to an older version od google earth for example  ...what gives?
[01:22] <angasule> !nvidia
[01:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:22] <David> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! for what libraries is talking about?
[01:24] <David> kde-devel?
[01:28] <danny500> #wesnoth
[01:29] <danny500> yo, does anyone know anything about Wesnoth?
[01:29] <premier_> how good is dual monitor support in kubuntu?  I'm building a new compy, and last time I tried dual monitors with my current laptop it gave me all kinds of trouble
[01:29] <Sanne> David: most likely libqt3-mt-dev
[01:33] <danny500> ?
[01:36] <danny500> yo you guy's wanna see the funniest thing ever
[01:36] <danny500> go to
[01:36] <danny500> http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=New+York,+New+York&daddr=Paris,+France&sll=42.969401,-79.238064&sspn=0.006767,0.014591&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=3&om=1
[01:36] <danny500> and look at step 23
[01:41] <rg535748>  adept updater tells me another process is using the database but I do'nt have anything else running. Anyone have any idea how to fix this?
[01:41] <danny500> I might
[01:41] <danny500> open your task manager
[01:41] <stdin> !aptfix | rg535748
[01:41] <ubotu> rg535748: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:42] <danny500> and look for a process called synaptic
[01:42] <danny500> if thats running, kill it
[01:42] <danny500> ok
[01:42] <rg535748> give me a sec I'll try that
[01:42] <danny500> ok
[01:42] <BishiNightBird> do what ubotu said, it should fix the problem
[01:44] <rg535748> it worked, thank you.
[01:44] <danny500> your welcome
[01:45] <danny500> sometimes synaptic will load in the background for no reason with out you noticing and it messes with the other installers
[01:46] <danny500> ok does anyone know where I can find the saved game files for Wesnoth?
[01:47] <danny500> MA I TALKING TO MYSELF?
[01:47] <danny500> am*
[01:48] <Kite_DH> how to get the newest java version??
[01:48] <danny500> no
[01:48] <danny500> where are the save game files for Wesnoth?
[01:49] <stdin> danny500: how is asking about games saves for Wesnoth anything to do with Kubuntu?
[01:50] <danny500> cause it has to do with the folders within Kubuntu lol
[01:50] <danny500> and plus no one will talk in the wesnoth room cause playing the game for so long has turned off the talking part on their brain
[01:51] <stdin> danny500: it's not a kubuntu package, nor is it anything to do with kubuntu support ask somewhere else or just google it
[01:52] <danny500> ok, well next time I ask a question I at least expect an answer like what you gave me instead of complete silence. I answer everyone in here when I can and I atleast should get the same
[01:52] <danny500> ok
[01:53] <pate> haha ^^
[01:55] <liam> hi guys how can i check what version of kubuntu im running
[01:55] <stdin> !version | liam
[01:55] <ubotu> liam: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[01:58] <don_jr__> how can I find out what version of a package I have?
[01:58] <cblack0> long-time linux user installing ubuntu/kubuntu for the first time. Using a laptop that already has a good install of suse I want to keep. I have a 5GB partition totally free that I have set aside for ubuntu. However, when I boot ubuntu installer (7.04 beta) and choose manual partitioning it oddly shows me an sda drive rather than the hda drive I am used to. This is an older laptop and definitely does NOT have a sata or scsi drive.
[01:58] <cblack0>  In addition, I do not see my existing partitions in the graphical partitioner. Does anyone have any advice or pointers? I did not find anything about this in the faq
[01:59] <stdin> don_jr__: "apt-cache policy package"
[01:59] <don_jr__> stdin thanks
[01:59] <don_jr__> okay, dapper doesn't get upgraded packages anymore does it?
[02:00] <stdin> don_jr__: yeah it does, it's LTS
[02:00] <don_jr__> hmmm, the version I have and the only one available in the repo's I have is older than one I need....
[02:00] <cblack0> the partitioner is not showing my old partitions
[02:01] <stdin> cblack0: all (ata) hard drives in feisty are handled by libata, and so are seen as scsi, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[02:01] <don_jr__> stdin looking at my sources.list I don't have any deb-src's listed, is there a deb-src listing for any other deb repo?
[02:01] <cblack0> I am ok with that, that isn't my main concern, just a side note.
[02:01] <don_jr__> stdin and would that have updates in it that the others might not have?
[02:02] <cblack0> my main concern is the partitioner in step 4 after choosing manual is not showing my old partitions or allowing me to select the partition I have already created and put aside for this install
[02:02] <stdin> don_jr__: you could try adding the backports repo
[02:02] <don_jr__> stdin what's the line to add for them? and will they ahve dapper stuff or with edgy stuff configure properly under dapper if it's only certain lib's?
[02:02] <stdin> cblack0: probably better to ask in #ubuntu+1 , the feisty support channel
[02:03] <stdin> !backports
[02:03] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[02:03] <cblack0> doing so, thanks :)
[02:03] <stdin> don_jr__: that page will tell you want to add, and the packages will work with dapper (as long as you add the dapper repo)
[02:04] <don_jr__> stdin okay, thanks
[02:05] <don_jr__> stdin I got it, I appriciate the info
[02:06] <stdin> np
[02:07] <cheeseboy> how do i enable the installing of java?
[02:07] <stdin> cheeseboy: you need to enable the multiverse repo, then install the java package
[02:07] <stdin> !java | cheeseboy
[02:07] <ubotu> cheeseboy: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[02:10] <flaccid> is that stil in feisty ubuntu has !baddevice
[02:11] <stdin> flaccid: yeah, it's so wacom tablets work by default
[02:11] <pkgraves> Guys, what happens if RSYNC tried to make a copy of a file thats in use? I.E. I have Folder A and I want to back it up to Folder B, but one of the files inside Folder A is currently in use. Will RSYNC still be able to synchronize its current state to Folder B?
[02:13] <KanRiNiN> Hi.  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade resulted in an error.  I tried to run sudo dpkg --configure -a but it also resulted in an error.  Any  ideas?  Packages were downloaded but cannot be installed
[02:14] <stdin> KanRiNiN: depends on the package and what the error was, also on what version of Kubuntu you are using. use the pastebin service to post the error
[02:14] <stdin> !pastebin
[02:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:14] <BluesKaj> KanRiNiN, try adept , but make sure your apt sources list is upgrded to the distro you are upgrading
[02:14] <flaccid> surely they could of done a detection script
[02:14] <flaccid> its quite unoptimised
[02:14] <flaccid> and i'm sick of getting the errors
[02:15] <pkgraves> Can someone please answer my RSYNC question?
[02:15] <flaccid> also networkmanager is simply wrong. it took down my net in installation and it just randomly decided to do it again then
[02:16] <flaccid> pkgraves: what if nobody can?
[02:16] <KanRiNiN> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15143/.  BluesKaj:  I tried adept, it failed so I tried dist-upgrade, which usually works fine.
[02:16] <KanRiNiN> it seems the apt-get error is no longer in the console
[02:16] <KanRiNiN> but the dpkg one was so I pasted it
[02:17] <rg535748> You ever had a question that you know the answer is probably 'no' to but you had to ask anyway... well:
[02:17] <rg535748> can I get flash player to work if I have the 64bit install of kubuntu?
[02:17] <BluesKaj> have upgraded your sources list , KanRiNiN ?
[02:17] <stdin> KanRiNiN: I've seen that error before, there is a fix, you need to purge the package console-setup (sudo apt-get --purge remove console-setup) then reinstall it (sudo apt-get install ubuntu-minimal)
[02:18] <stdin> rg535748: it *can* work, kinda
[02:18] <rg535748> How?
[02:18] <stdin> !flash64 | rg535748
[02:18] <ubotu> rg535748: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[02:19] <rg535748> stdin, I'm redirectin' all my questions to you from now on!
[02:19] <rg535748> Thakn you.
[02:19] <KanRiNiN> stdin: I'll try it.  thanks
[02:19] <stdin> rg535748: you aren't the 1st person to ask about it :)
[02:19] <rg535748> stdin: do I need feisty for this, I'm on edgy.
[02:19] <stdin> rg535748: nope, work on edgy
[02:19] <rg535748> stdin: But you're the first person I've asked that had the answer.
[02:20] <stdin> i must be just that good then :p
[02:21] <BluesKaj> take a bow stdin :)
[02:21] <stdin> :P
[02:21] <hitmanWilly> rg535748, just be advised its a pita to set up
[02:22] <BluesKaj> yeah, hitmanWilly, I chickened out ...i'm running an AMD64 but I went with the x86 install
[02:23] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, used to run the 64, switched over to x86 for the same reason
[02:23] <flaccid> !services
[02:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about services - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:23] <David> somebody here have kmediafactory 0.5.2 (deb package) ?
[02:24] <hitmanWilly> David, i think its in the repos
[02:24] <stdin> !info kmediafactory
[02:24] <ubotu> kmediafactory: template based DVD authoring tool for KDE.. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2330 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[02:24] <stdin> 0.5.1 is
[02:25] <pkgraves> What happens if RSYNC attempts to copy a file that is currently open/in-use? I.E. If I have dir A and dir B, and I want to RSYNC all files in dir A to dir B, but one of the file sin dir A is currently in use... what would happen?
[02:25] <hitmanWilly> ahh, ok
[02:30] <BluesKaj> pkgraves, if you're just copying a file , I don't see why it won't sync , but i have no experience with that so my opinion doesn't hold much water :(
[02:37] <newkubuntuuser> hi, can anyone help me with the installation of rubygems on feisty? i get missing packages
[02:37] <newkubuntuuser> rdoc for example, but there are more packages missing that i need for rubygems
[02:38] <Admiral_Chicago> newkubuntuuser: ask in #ubuntu+1 seems like a packaging error
[02:38] <carl_> hi
[02:40] <BluesKaj> Admiral_Chicago, will ubuntu+1 be gone once Feisty is officailly released ?
[02:41] <BluesKaj> err officially
[02:41] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: yes
[02:41] <stdin> BluesKaj: no, it will be then for feisty+1
[02:41] <BluesKaj> ok, installing it as we speak
[02:41] <flaccid> doesn't that just mean next version of ubuntu?
[02:42] <stdin> yep
[02:42] <roothugo> alguem BR aqui?
[02:42] <don_jr__> is there a way I can tell aptitude to get the build information for something?  like aptitude build-install or something I think I've seen??
[02:42] <flaccid> stdin: i'm complaining about wacom in #kubuntu-devel
[02:42] <stdin> flaccid: I know, I'm reading it :p
[02:42] <flaccid> nobody really cares
[02:43] <flaccid> heh it never does
[02:43] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: never had a problem because I do everything the "official" way
[02:43] <ZioN>      )
[02:43] <BluesKaj> it was dead in the water , flaccid ...wouldn't boot
[02:44] <ArtMoonik> hello, I have some problems with my Feisty, konqueror and kopete don't work
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> no script kitties garbage, non-free drivers, nothing
[02:44] <DrCurl> I'm running feisty, since I suspend earlier today, all my kde apps became transparent. All I can see is the button and textarea. What should I do?
[02:45] <stdin> feisty support in #ubuntu+1 (#kubuntu-devel for KDE specific support)
[02:45] <flaccid> i thought #kde was for #kde
[02:45] <flaccid> i mean kde
[02:45] <BluesKaj> lotsa ppl on the Feisty bandwagon this evening
[02:46] <stdin> flaccid: I meant "kubuntu feisty kde specific support", but it's just quicker to say it the other way :)
[02:46] <flaccid> rightio
[02:47] <flaccid> only problem is not many people say anything there
[02:48] <stdin> it's mostly Europeans in there (as kde is developed mostly in Europe) and it's late in Europe now
[02:49] <flaccid> true
[02:49] <flaccid> but ive never had any luck no matter what time of day
[02:50] <flaccid> thats ok maybe they are actually working to fix things
[02:50] <stdin> you could ask in #kde, but 9 times out of 10 they'll tell you to ask in your diatros channel
[02:50] <BluesKaj> yeah, 60 pkgs failed to upgrade
[02:51] <mardi> stdin: happens to me everytime
[02:51] <flaccid> i usually have no problem with kde specific questions in #kde
[02:52] <vonkleist> hi
[02:52] <vonkleist> I guess this is a regular problem with feisty, but...
[02:53] <vonkleist> I can't open mp3 files with amarok
[02:53] <vonkleist> it freezes, before I can click on the "Yes, I want to install mp3 support"
[02:53] <don_jr__> libasound2 (> 1.0.11) but 1.0.10-2ubuntu4 is installed. How can I get the updated version if it's not in the dapper repos?
[02:53] <stdin> vonkleist: install the package manually
[02:53] <cheeseboy> is there a way to change my hostmask?
[02:54] <stdin> vonkleist: install "libxine1-ffmpeg" (from main)
[02:54] <vonkleist> ok
[02:54] <vonkleist> let me try
[02:54] <flaccid> cheeseboy: hostmask?
[02:54] <stdin> cheeseboy: you'll have to ask a freenode staff member to give you a cloak
[02:55] <cheeseboy> not for freenode
[02:55] <stdin> for what then?
[02:55] <cheeseboy> another network
[02:55] <flaccid> do yo mean subnet mask?
[02:55] <cheeseboy> but theres no other way to do it?
[02:56] <cheeseboy> pool-70-21-4-184.res.east.verizon.net
[02:56] <vonkleist> :D
[02:56] <vonkleist> ir worked!
[02:56] <cheeseboy> like that
[02:56] <vonkleist> thank you stdin
[02:56] <stdin> vonkleist: no problem :)
[02:56] <vonkleist> what about wma?
[02:56] <flaccid> cheeseboy: thats a hostname depicted by your isp i believe
[02:56] <flaccid> cheeseboy: to change the hostname on the box use the command hostname and update /etc/hosts
[02:56] <stdin> vonkleist: now just start moving all your music to ogg/vorbis :p
[02:56] <flaccid> and change /etc/hostname
[02:57] <flaccid> that is of course, not dns authoritive
[02:57] <vonkleist> stdin, yes, I'm trying to, but anyway... most of devices don't have ogg support
[02:57] <vonkleist> stdin, do u know how to add wma support?
[02:57] <stdin> vonkleist: for wma (the non-drm version) install w32codecs (not in the repos) then you can play them. (and my iPod plays ogg )
[02:58] <vonkleist> i don't have aythat much, but anyw
[02:58] <stdin> !w32codecs
[02:58] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[02:58] <cheeseboy> not hostname hostmask
[02:58] <vonkleist> stdin, *your* ipod? or every ipod?
[02:58] <stdin> vonkleist: any one that runs rockbox
[02:58] <flaccid> cheeseboy: explain to me what a hostmask is
[02:58] <stdin> !rockbox | vonkleist
[02:58] <ubotu> vonkleist: rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[02:59] <cheeseboy> Brownie_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:59] <cheeseboy> c-69-248-19-223.hsd1.pa.comcast.net=hostmask
[02:59] <trpr> hrm. my KDE installation has a Theme Manager but i can't remember how i got it. I just set a friend up with kubuntu and he is complaining it is missing.. is there some package i need him to get?
[02:59] <stdin> flaccid: whois me, you'll see I have a hostmask cloak
[02:59] <Brownie_> hm?
[02:59] <cheeseboy> just usin u as example
[02:59] <flaccid> oh for freenode
[02:59] <flaccid> this has nothing to do with kubuntu
[02:59] <flaccid> cheeseboy: ask for a cloak in #freenode-social
[03:00] <stdin> flaccid: I think he wants it for another network tho
[03:00] <cheeseboy> yes another network
[03:00] <WillLuongo> stdin: That makes it even less kubuntu related? lol
[03:00] <vonkleist> stdin, wow!
[03:00] <vonkleist> hahahaha
[03:00] <cheeseboy> sssh
[03:00] <stdin> cheeseboy: you have to ask the admins from that network, nothing you can do, it's all server-side
[03:00] <cheeseboy> im on kubuntu
[03:01] <cheeseboy> :-P
[03:01] <flaccid> cheeseboy: its dependant on the irc server
[03:01] <WillLuongo> cheeseboy: lol
[03:01] <flaccid> for example Austnet uses virtual world
[03:01] <vonkleist> stdin, thanks for ur help
[03:01] <stdin> vonkleist: no problem :)
[03:02] <don_jr__> I have the most up to date package that the dapper repo's have of this libasound2 1.0.10-2ubuntu4 is installed. How can I get a further updated version? libasound2 (> 1.0.11)
[03:03] <stdin> don_jr__: you have 2 choices. 1) download and compile a newer version (not reccommended), 2) upgrade to edgy (1.0.11-7)
[03:04] <flaccid> don_jr__: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[03:04] <flaccid> or try to install the new package manually and solve deps
[03:04] <stdin> and potentially hose your install :p
[03:05] <don_jr__> flaccid how do I try to solve deps?  I'm pretty new
[03:05] <flaccid> experience
[03:05] <flaccid> not something you should be doing
[03:06] <WillLuongo> don_jr_: it will probably be easier to just upgrade, but usually it will tell you what the dependencies that fail are when you try to install a package.
[03:06] <trpr> ah. as http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntuthemes.html explains it, the ThemeManger is there, it just doesn't have a menu shortcut.. Why then does my installation have a menu shortcut? (ie what did I do and what can I have him do) .. short of having him launch kcontrol each time he wants to use it, I don't know what to do
[03:06] <don_jr__> WillLuongo yes, this libasound2 is a dependencie of something I'm trying to install and it won't install cause I can't get an updated version unless I swap over to edgy?? sheeeeesh
[03:07] <don_jr__> need to look for a version to compile then
[03:07] <newkubuntuuser> in #ubuntu+1 noone can help me, can anyone here give me a hint why i get package not found errors when trying to install what i need for rubygems? (example: rdoc)
[03:07] <stdin> flaccid: Re:#kubuntu-devel, you can always just join the kubuntu-devel mailinglist and post a message there
[03:07] <flaccid> don_jr__: this is the caveats of the debian packaging system
[03:07] <flaccid> stdin: i might have to do that thanks br0
[03:08] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: make sure you have the universe repo enabled
[03:08] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: and possably multiverse too
[03:09] <newkubuntuuser> stdin: check, both enabled
[03:10] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: well rdoc is in universe
[03:10] <newkubuntuuser> stdin: using feisty, maybe that is the problem?
[03:10] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: I'm using feisty, and it's there
[03:12] <don_jr__> flaccid so all of those packages are kernel specific then?
[03:12] <don_jr__> flaccid I can't just download that one package from edgy and have it work? or will that screw everything?
[03:12] <newkubuntuuser> stdin: sources.list contains "deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe" and "sudo apt-get install rdoc" gives the error
[03:13] <flaccid> its not kernel dependant
[03:13] <flaccid> its package version dependent. probably on packages in the next version
[03:13] <don_jr__> flaccid then what would make those 'edgy' packages not work on dapper?
[03:14] <chemicalvamp> newkubuntuuser that address isnt right
[03:14] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: "apt-cache policy rdoc" gives me this: apt-cache policy rdoc
[03:14] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: opps, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15150/
[03:14] <chemicalvamp> click the link... server times out
[03:15] <dawn> how does one mount a drive from the live cd?
[03:15] <don_jr__> how do I make a bash script to run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
[03:15] <stdin> dawn: with mount
[03:15] <dawn> i tried that thru the GUi
[03:16] <dawn> whats the cmd for it?
[03:16] <dawn> oh wait
[03:16] <dawn> I thik I know
[03:16] <stdin> dawn: sudo mount /dev/(device)(partition) /place/to/mount/to
[03:16] <newkubuntuuser> stdin: ok, so what to do now? i downloaded a iso half a day ago and did a default setup a few hours ago, followed by an update via adeot
[03:17] <chemicalvamp> dawn sudo mount -t /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[03:17] <stdin> don_jr__: put it in a text file and make it executable, you'll either need sudo before each aptitude or run the script with sudo
[03:17] <chemicalvamp> dawn BUT first.. sudo mkdir /mnt/hda1
[03:17] <hansent> whats up people?
[03:18] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: try changing the mirror you're using de seems to be down
[03:18] <chemicalvamp> sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[03:18] <hansent> I have some issues with konquoerer after upgrading to 7.10 beta
[03:18] <don_jr__> stdin I'll run the script with sudo, how do I make it executable?
[03:18] <stdin> chemicalvamp: you're assuming that the filesystem on the partition is ext3
[03:19] <don_jr__> stdin so a bash script is nothing but the commands typed in to a text file and permissions changed on it to make it executable....in theory?
[03:19] <pkgraves> What are the disadvantages of using DD to regularly mirror a hard drive?
[03:19] <stdin> don_jr__: you can do it by right-clicking on the file and going to the permissions tab, or "chmod +x filename" (changing "filename" for the name of the file)
[03:20] <chemicalvamp> stdin yup im assuming they want to access there linux install from cd
[03:20] <newkubuntuuser> stdin: thx, think that solved it.
[03:20] <hansent> When I use the "konqueror profiles applet"  Konqueror starts without an address bar.  this happens both on webrowser and file manager profile.
[03:20] <stdin> don_jr__: as long as you run it in bash, you can add a "#!/bin/bash" as the 1st line to make sure it runs in bash, or it's a shell script, not a bash script
[03:21] <dawn> chemicalvamp: thanks, but its not working for some reason, I did mkdir first :)
[03:22] <chemicalvamp> dawn are you trying to get to a linux install?
[03:22] <don_jr__> stdin thanks
[03:22] <stdin> pkgraves: you can't (well, shouldn't) access the drive while running dd, that's about it. oh, and dd will copy the blank spaces too, not just the data
[03:22] <dawn> no, i made a change in the modules file and kubuntu will not load
[03:22] <dawn> goes straight to busybox terminal program
[03:23] <flaccid> !info gimp
[03:23] <ubotu> gimp: The GNU Image Manipulation Program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.13-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 2891 kB, installed size 7900 kB
[03:23] <chemicalvamp> ok so your trying to fix it now n a live cd, hmm sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 should work
[03:23] <dawn> chemicalvamp: correct, let me try that
[03:24] <stdin> dawn: post the errors you get if it doesn't work
[03:24] <don_jr__> dpkg-reconfigure xserver   or what is the command?
[03:24] <dawn> ok it mounted
[03:24] <dawn> yayyyy
[03:24] <stdin> don_jr__: you mean "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[03:25] <don_jr__> stdin thanks, that's it
[03:25] <Cosmo_> I'm trying to install the VPN software for my job and it is asking "What is the location of your linux kernel source?" where would this be located?
[03:26] <stdin> Cosmo_: it probably wants the kernel headers, that will be "/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/", if it needs the source, then you'll need to install (and compile) it
[03:27] <stdin> Cosmo_: $(uname -r) is the kernel version
[03:27] <dawn> ok one question, in /etc/modules I have the following "ls, psmouse, sbp2, sr_mod, tun" What do each of those represent?
[03:27] <Cosmo_> stdin: how do I find what kernal version I have?
[03:27] <hitmanWilly> Cosmo_, run uname -r
[03:28] <hitmanWilly> Cosmo_, in terminal
[03:28] <stdin> Cosmo_: uname -r, anything inside $() is a command
[03:28] <Cosmo_> oh duh, thanks
[03:28] <dawn> hey, I forgot that one too
[03:28] <dawn> thanks :)
[03:28] <hansent> I have some issues with konquoerer after upgrading to 7.10 beta
[03:28] <hansent> When I use the "konqueror profiles applet"  Konqueror starts without an address bar.  this happens both on webrowser and file manager profile.
[03:31] <dawn> chemicalvamp: ok mounting worked like a charm and I edited the file back
[03:31] <dawn> lets see if it loads now
[03:31] <dawn> :)
[03:31] <conorkirk1> Hi
[03:31] <dawn> hi
[03:32] <conorkirk1> Ubuntu's website says to run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to install KDE, but when i do this it says it cant find the kubuntu-desktop package
[03:32] <dawn> hmmmm
[03:33] <stdin> conorkirk1: make sure your sources are enabled
[03:33] <conorkirk1> How?
[03:33] <dawn> opps stdin beat me
[03:33] <conorkirk1> sorry, I just started using this a while ago
[03:33] <sonoftheclayr> !info kubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: Kubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.22 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 40 kB
[03:33] <dawn> conorkirk1: Dont be sorry I was a newb 9 months ago :)
[03:34] <Cosmo_> hmmm it is still giving me this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15047/
[03:34] <conorkirk1> I have used linux before, but that was RedHat 7.3
[03:34] <conorkirk1> a WHILE ago :D
[03:34] <dawn> haha, so have I
[03:34] <dawn> up to ver. 8
[03:34] <N6REJ> can someone please tell me why I'm seeing this error periodically?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15152/
[03:34] <stdin> conorkirk1: check that /etc/apt/sources.list isn't all commented out
[03:35] <dawn> ok wtf, kubuntu isn't loading I keep getting this busybox thing
[03:35] <dawn> *sigh*
[03:35] <conorkirk1> The only things i commented out in that file were the universe and multiverse lines
[03:35] <stdin> N6REJ: it's normal, don't worry
[03:35] <N6REJ> stdin: ok, ty.
[03:35] <stdin> !baddevice | N6REJ
[03:35] <ubotu> N6REJ: If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[03:36] <sonoftheclayr> conorkirk1: have you run sudo apt-get update?
[03:37] <WillLuongo> I set my default web browser to Mozilla, but when I click links in other apps it still opens in Konqueror. Any ideas?
[03:37] <N6REJ> stdin: yeah, thats what I thought it was was the stupid wacom which I don't even have.
[03:38] <stdin> N6REJ: it's enabled by default for users that can't use a mouse
[03:38] <conorkirk1> Yes I have
[03:38] <stdin> WillLuongo: how did you set it to mozilla?
[03:38] <sonoftheclayr> conorkirk1: can you find it in adept?
[03:38] <conorkirk1> and since the other package managers use apt, they dont see them either
[03:38] <stdin> conorkirk1: post the sources.list to pastebin
[03:38] <N6REJ> stdin: OIC
[03:38] <conorkirk1> k
[03:38] <WillLuongo> System Settings --> Default Applications --> Web browser
[03:39] <stdin> WillLuongo: have you tried restarting the applications that open konqu, or set the default system-wide?
[03:41] <conorkirk1> http://paste.uni.cc/14478
[03:41] <WillLuongo> stdin: i don't think so
[03:41] <WillLuongo> stdin: how would i do that?
[03:41] <chemicalvamp> how do i add paragraph like spaces into my grub boot menu?
[03:41] <stdin> WillLuongo: you can set the default system-wide one with "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" (in konsole) and select the application you want
[03:42] <N6REJ> stdin: is a monitor depth of "24" the most you can go or is it "32"?
[03:42] <WillLuongo> stdin: Thanks!
[03:42] <stdin> conorkirk1: hmm, how come you removed all the "main" ones?
[03:43] <conorkirk1> I don't remember, I think I was trying to enable universe and multiverse
[03:43] <stdin> N6REJ: I believe it's 24 ( I don't think it refers to the color depth in bits like in MS)
[03:43] <N6REJ> ok, ty.
[03:44] <stdin> conorkirk1: well that's why you can't install it
[03:44] <conorkirk1> So, what do you mean by removing all the main ones
[03:45] <sonoftheclayr> conorkirk1: the main repos have been deleted, add them back again
[03:45] <stdin> conorkirk1: the lines should look like "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted" not just "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy restricted"
[03:46] <conorkirk1> stdin: so, both of the deb-src and deb lines need the edgy main restricted
[03:47] <stdin> conorkirk1: I'll show you what it needs to look like in pastebin
[03:47] <conorkirk1> ok
[03:48] <chemicalvamp> how do i add paragraph like spaces into my grub boot menu?
[03:49] <stdin> conorkirk1: like this: http://paste.uni.cc/14479
[03:50] <stdin> chemicalvamp: you can try adding a blank "title" line in
[03:50] <chemicalvamp> stdin good idea, i bet that ill work, thanks
[03:50] <stdin> :)
[03:52] <conorkirk1> stdin: thank you, i am updating apt-get to see if it finds it
[03:52] <stdin> it should do now
[03:53] <sonoftheclayr> who was it yesterday that upgraded from dapper to feisty?
[03:53] <conorkirk1> stdin and all: thank you so much, it is unpacking right now, lets just see if it works ok :)
[03:54] <stdin> conorkirk1: should work fine, just remember to choose KDE at the login screen :)
[03:54] <conorkirk1> after it is done, can i just log out and chose the kde session, or do i need to reboot
[03:54] <sonoftheclayr> conorkirk1: logout
[03:54] <stdin> conorkirk1: no need to reboot
[03:54] <conorkirk1> The last time i used KDE was version 3.0
[03:54] <stdin> linux != windows
[03:55] <conorkirk1> does anybody have the kde-login sound from 3.0?
[03:55] <GaiaX11> I am thinking in upgrading from dapper to feisty. The ubuntu official site does not recommend it. But, will it really break my system?
[03:55] <cheeseboy> hey
[03:55] <conorkirk1> true, linux !=windows, linux = awesome | 1337 | !=windows
[03:55] <conorkirk1> that was just screaming incorrect
[03:55] <stdin> GaiaX11: probably will
[03:55] <cheeseboy> im looking for a way to make a full screen app only be fullscreen on 1 monitor
[03:56] <cheeseboy> any ideas?
[03:56] <conorkirk1> oh, i have another question
[03:56] <conorkirk1> is it possible to write some sort of script that changes the screen resolution before going into a screen saver?
[03:56] <sonoftheclayr> conorkirk1: most likely
[03:56] <stdin> conorkirk1: possible, yes. easy, no :p
[03:57] <conorkirk1> :)
[03:57] <GaiaX11> stdin: Someone in #ubuntu+1 said that someone from here did it and was luck having problems only with X which was fixed. I am trying to identify who was the luck boy :-)
[03:57] <stdin> conorkirk1: and it'll have to be different for kde and gnome sessions
[03:58] <cheeseboy> any ideas?
[03:58] <conorkirk1> poor video card cant do screensavers at 1024x768
[03:58] <stdin> GaiaX11: it was probably because the name of the packages xserver-xorg-driver-* changed to xserver-xorg-video-*
[03:58] <conorkirk1> Nvidia GeForce 4
[03:59] <WillLuongo> When I upgraded to Edgy I am no longer able to select 1280 x 1024.  I am MS based tech. not linux based, but trying to learn atleast some linux. but hell the simple things are loosing me..
[04:01] <stdin> WillLuongo: try reconfiguring the xserver "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh"
[04:02] <Sidey> there used to be options to add workgroup, see IP etc under system settings. but be damned if I can find them
[04:02] <stdin> Sidey: that's because windows does things the wrong way :p
[04:02] <stdin> Sidey: System Settings -> Network Settings
[04:02] <Sidey> lol.. how true.. but thats how I learned. . had to start somewhere.. just started the wrong way
[04:02] <Arwen> is it possible to set a program as fullscreen on only 1 display out of 2?
[04:02] <GaiaX11> stdin: What if I install xserver-xorg-video-all before upgrading? Is it possiblo?
[04:02] <Sidey> will look.. I got the machine here. so I dont have 2 run room to room again
[04:03] <stdin> GaiaX11: probably not, you'll end up with some weird mix of dapper/feisty packages before upgrade then
[04:04] <stdin> GaiaX11: a good way to make help things work is to use aptitude to install ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-standard and kubuntu-desktop, those are the main packages
[04:04] <GaiaX11> stdin: So what do you recommend? Downloading the feisty alternate cd; backing up my data and install from scratch? is it?
[04:05] <stdin> GaiaX11: install from scratch will be cleaner (and probably easier), but upgrade is possible too
[04:06] <Sidey> well blasted anyway. looks like I got another bad cable. grr geez.. 2 in 1 week
[04:06] <Sidey> @ 100 feet long just sucks
[04:06] <stdin> GaiaX11: I'd say do a backup and give upgrade a go, if you can't get it working, then you can install and use your backup
[04:07] <flaccid> an apt command available to flush apt cache or downloaded packages etc. ?
[04:08] <stdin> fl
[04:08] <stdin> flaccid: apt-get clean
[04:08] <GaiaX11> stdin: Thx. I will wait for stable; getting the alternate cd; backing up; give a upgrade a go and see what will happen :-)
[04:08] <flaccid> ah yeah thats it
[04:08] <flaccid> sweet that freed some
[04:08] <stdin> GaiaX11: it'll give you some problem solving experience anyway :p
[04:09] <stdin> I got 125MB in apts cache
[04:09] <stdin> that's just the latest update
[04:09] <stdin> and mostly openoffice
[04:10] <ChuckNorris|GOD> how i can change the task bar in kde? (i want only the desktop 2 files in desktop 2  and desktop 1 files in desktop 1, not all files in all desktops!)
[04:11] <stdin> ChuckNorris|GOD: right-click the taskbar and choose "configure panel", go to "taskbar" uncheck "Show windows from all desktops"
[04:13] <ChuckNorris|GOD> ty
[04:13] <chr1831> hi
[04:13] <chr1831> i recently upgraded my system via apt-get and my battery manager is wacked :-\
[04:14] <pollyo> !nvidia
[04:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:14] <pollyo> Anyone know the proper driver for the nvidia tnt card?
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, i think thats legacy
[04:15] <chr1831> when its plugged in it shows the thunder bolt and the battery % left
[04:15] <loco> #ubuntu #ubuntu+1
[04:15] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: Ok
[04:15] <chr1831> when i unplug it it shows the battery full and still with the plugged in icon
[04:15] <chad> I am having an issue with syncing my palm calender with kontact.  If an appointment is flagged as private, it won't show up on my pilot after syncing anymore.  I can't find a kpilot setting to allow syncing private appointments back to the pilot.  Does anyone know how to fix this?
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, there's a list somewhere with all the nvidia cards and what driver they use
[04:16] <sonoftheclayr> pollyo: the tnt card uses legacy i think
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, i think i saw it on the gentoo website
[04:16] <sonoftheclayr> pollyo: legacy
[04:17] <pollyo> Ok.  Thanks for the info! BBL
[04:17] <pollyo> I'll give legecy a try and go from there...
[04:17] <Cosmo_> I am trying to install the VPN for my job using these instructions https://<IP_ADDRESS>/full_linux_instructions.html but it keeps giving me this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15047/ can anyone help me?
[04:18] <philphoto> got a problem: when attempting to run synaptic or adept, I get "Conversation with SU failed"
[04:18] <philphoto> any help?
[04:18] <ubuntu_> hello, I installed kubuntu a while ago but i got very angery at it because it ran VEEERY slow. MY computer is very fast and has run windows ans other versions of linux very fast. Anyone know why kubuntu is slow and how I can fix it?
[04:19] <philphoto> ubuntu_: do you have an ATI graphics card?
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_, what exactly is slow on it?
[04:19] <ubuntu_> nvidea
[04:20] <philphoto> !nvidia
[04:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:20] <unicoder> I have installed kubuntu and I have sounds, beeps, and noises, but I dont have any sound on media files such as mpg, or avi's
[04:20] <ubuntu_> everything is slow, browsing the web i notice massive slownees.  I had to forcfully shut it down because it was running so slow
[04:20] <philphoto> if you haven't tried that, it may be a GC issue
[04:20] <unicoder> how do I get newer codecs for ubuntu?
[04:21] <philphoto> anyone out there have any idea as to my problem with SU?
[04:21] <ubuntu_> it's not graphics card drivers because it's really just everything it running slow
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, does sudo work?
[04:22] <ubuntu_> *is
[04:22] <chr1831> any help for me?
[04:23] <philphoto> no
[04:23] <chr1831> :(
[04:23] <philphoto> let me try in shell
[04:24] <ubuntu_> has anyone else had problems with kubuntu running slow?
[04:24] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: i can run through terminal, but i'm lazy & I like things working as they were designed
[04:24] <ubuntu_> ^me too
[04:25] <ubuntu_> that's why i love ubuntu
[04:25] <philphoto> ubuntu_: I had some horrible problems at first.    I have an ATI GC though & that's where the problem lay with my slowness issue.
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, try su'ing through term
[04:26] <ubuntu_> so you just installed video card drivers and your problems were gone?
[04:26] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: I can use sudo in terminal, but don't feel like running everything where I need SU in there.
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, just making sure that wasn't jacked, sounds like a problem with kdesu
[04:29] <philphoto> yeah.  I'm trying to install mp3 support in amarok open as su in terminal but I got a LOT of error msgs
[04:29] <adam> test 987
[04:29] <philphoto> a bunch of "cannot connect to x server"
[04:30] <philphoto> should I restart X?
[04:30] <Cosmo_> I am trying to install the VPN for my job using these instructions https://<IP_ADDRESS>/full_linux_instructions.html but it keeps giving me this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15047/ can anyone help me?
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, try an X restart and see if that helps
[04:30] <adam> can this software play sound ?
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> conorkirk1, at least its not gentoo and doing a full compile
[04:32] <conorkirk1> Good point
[04:32] <conorkirk1> I tried gentoo once
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> same
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> i like customizing stuff, but there's a limit
[04:32] <conorkirk1> I liked the idea of a custom install
[04:32] <conorkirk1> but yeesh
[04:33] <conorkirk1> when it asks you if you want value A in register 01xAAAE0F thats where i draw the line.
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:33] <dawn> hahahaha
[04:33] <conorkirk1> ubuntu system update!
[04:34] <conorkirk1> It says 174 updates
[04:34] <conorkirk1> tahts crazy!
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> conorkirk1, that sounds about right
[04:34] <dawn> hehehe
[04:34] <conorkirk1> its KDE isn't it :D
[04:34] <dawn> crazy?
[04:35] <conorkirk1> sweet it opened the kde config thingy
[04:35] <conorkirk1> KDM
[04:35] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: you still around?
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> yup
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> any luck?
[04:35] <conorkirk1> GDM or KDM?
[04:35] <dawn> kdm
[04:35] <conorkirk1> k
[04:35] <philphoto> check this out: "sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Apr 12 01:48:15 2007"
[04:35] <Parkotron> Is there an anticipated release date for Feisty more specific than "this month"?
[04:35] <conorkirk1> tomorrow
[04:35] <sonoftheclayr> Parkotron: april 19
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, ah hah, ive seen this before, its a clock problem
[04:36] <philphoto> I don't know how my system got that far ahead.  how do I change the main clock to get it synchro'd with the rest of the world?
[04:36] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: pfft...that was nearly 12 hours ago! your living in the past man!
[04:36] <conorkirk1> OpenOffice is HUGE
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, is your clock set to local or UTC?
[04:36] <Parkotron> sonoftheclayr: Thanks. Where'd you find that? I was poking around a couldn't find it anywhere.
[04:37] <sonoftheclayr> Parkotron: i know soe people who know some things
[04:37] <philphoto> should be set to local.  the desktop is set to local, but apparently the main clock is set to utc
[04:37] <Parkotron> sonoftheclayr: Oh. So I'm supposed to take your word for it? ;)
[04:38] <sonoftheclayr> Parkotron: yep, if you want i can give you a web address
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, the system clock may be set to local, but the system probably thinks its set to UTC
[04:38] <philphoto> how do I remedy this?
[04:38] <sonoftheclayr> Parkotron: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn it's right up the top, in bold
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, there's a config file for it, hold on a sec while i find it
[04:39] <philphoto> thx
[04:40] <Parkotron> sonoftheclayr: Ah, the wiki. I should of thought of that. Thanks again.
[04:40] <luke-jr_work> Kubuntu 7.04 does a kernel panic on boot; anyone care?
[04:41] <sonoftheclayr> Parkotron: np
[04:41] <conorkirk1> stdin: Specs of your computer?
[04:41] <stdin> Sysinfo for 'home': Linux 2.6.20-13-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz at 2800 MHz (5604 bogomips), HD: 107/147GB, RAM: 1477/1511MB, 182 proc's, 4.12d up
[04:42] <anniee> is there any way to get SB x-fi working in kubuntu??
[04:42] <conorkirk1> stdin: what command gave you that?
[04:42] <stdin> conorkirk1: /sysinfo
[04:42] <stdin> conorkirk1: in konversation
[04:43] <conorkirk1> k
[04:43] <conorkirk1> for me right now is is Gaim
[04:43] <conorkirk1> still installing KDE :)
[04:43] <conorkirk1> no such command
[04:43] <stdin> XChat does it too (IIRC)
[04:43] <conorkirk1> stdin: ill just post it
[04:43] <luke-jr_work> ...
[04:43] <sonoftheclayr> conorkirk1: you mean Pidgin
[04:43] <Jucato> conorkirk1: it's a script in Konversation (/sysinfo)
[04:44] <conorkirk1> 1GHZ PowerPC G4, 256MB ddr sdram, nvidia geforce 4 (32mb) 80 gig Hard drive
[04:45] <sonoftheclayr> luke-jr_work: you might have more luck in #ubuntu+1
[04:46] <conorkirk1> sometimes people disconnect with a message "Poof!" do you just do this with /quit message
[04:47] <stdin> Cosmo_: still about?
[04:47] <crazy_bus> can anyone help me fix dpkg/apt .  I get this error in the terminal http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15157/
[04:47] <stdin> conorkirk1: yeag, something like "/quit Poof!"
[04:47] <conorkirk1> k
[04:48] <conorkirk1> sounds fun :)
[04:49] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: any luck with that config file?
[04:50] <Cosmo_> stdin: yeah sorry was messing about
[04:51] <sonoftheclayr> does anyone else think the kubuntu website needs an overhaul?
[04:51] <stdin> Cosmo_: I think it's just failing to compile the module, which is ok because ubuntu already has it
[04:51] <Cosmo_> getting lost in all the customization available in kubuntu =)
[04:52] <stdin> Cosmo_: so all you need is to make the binaries executable and add an init script (which I've "debianised" for you)
[04:52] <philphoto> restarting X again, i think I found something.
[04:52] <philphoto> back in three shakes
[04:54] <anniee> anyone here using amd64 version of kubuntu?
[04:54] <Cosmo_> stid so how do I go about doing that? if you mean the file I downloaded from citrix I already checked the box that says executable
[04:55] <stdin> Cosmo_: no,try this, "sudo chmod +x /usr/sbin/net6vpnd" then save this as /etc/init.d/net6vpnd http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15160/
[04:55] <philphoto> dang.  "su returned with an error"
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, sorry, kubu's different from my old distros, no joy
[04:56] <philphoto> ah man.
[04:56] <philphoto> I just finished this install of edgy after two days of fighting with feisty.
[04:57] <philphoto> she was just too buggy & it wound up that my comp would just freeze in all apps after about 4 minutes.
[04:57] <sonoftheclayr> Parkotron: you had a bad run with feisty, it runs perfectly for me
[04:57] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: ^^oops
[04:58] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: what I'm looking for is not a clock fix so much as a su fix
[04:58] <philphoto> sonoftheclayr: no problemo
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> philphoto,well, the clock is what's messing up the su
[04:58] <philphoto> I was not having any luck getting my two film scanners to work either.
[04:58] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: you could try to change the time in the bios
[04:58] <philphoto> dang.
[04:59] <sonoftheclayr> and then you would have to change it in kubuntu...
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, does the kubuntu clock show the right time?
[04:59] <Cosmo_> I'm going blank what is the command to make a file in the terminal?
[04:59] <philphoto> well, I have a dual-boot machine so if I mess with bios, I mess with XP (yuk!) as well
[05:00] <stdin> Cosmo_: then make /etc/init.d/net6vpnd executable with "sudo chmod +x  /etc/init.d/net6vpnd" (change /etc/net6vpn.conf if you need to) and run "sudo  /etc/init.d/net6vpnd start"
[05:00] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: the desktop clock shows the right time, only because I set it that way after I saw it was incorrect.
[05:00] <philphoto> I guess that was what messed it up.
[05:00] <stdin> Cosmo_: touch/nano will do it
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, try setting the clock back to where it was before
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, then you can set your timezone to UTC to show the correct time
[05:01] <stdin> philphoto: "sudo -K" resets the sudo timestamp
[05:02] <jmichaelx> Sysinfo for 'pentium3': Linux 2.6.20-14-386 running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) at 997 MHz (1996 bogomips), HD: 44/92GB, RAM: 204/249MB, 125 proc's, 4.41h up
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> damn, forgot about that one:)
[05:02] <stdin> jmichaelx: why do you have the 386 kernel on a P3?
[05:02] <philphoto> "sudo -k" not working.  nothing needing su is working.
[05:02] <philphoto> "su returned an error"
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, capital K
[05:03] <stdin> philphoto: sudo -K shouldn't need su
[05:03] <jmichaelx> stdin: i must have accidentally booted into that kernel instead of -generic when i last rebooted
[05:03] <philphoto> timestamp still too far in the future
[05:03] <anniee> so flash and java dont work on amd64 version of kubuntu or ubuntu
[05:04] <stdin> jmichaelx: I find -generic *much* faster
[05:04] <stdin> anniee: not "officially" no, but there is a way
[05:04] <philphoto> I used a caps K.  no luck
[05:04] <stdin> !flash64 | anniee
[05:04] <ubotu> anniee: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:04] <jmichaelx> stdin: interesting.... i do use generic generally, this time i didn't pay attention when i rebooted
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, reset the clock then
[05:05] <nonuda> stdin: hi..how r u? long time not see ;)
[05:05] <philphoto> which clock?
[05:05] <stdin> nonuda: hey :) works been a b***h recently :p
[05:05] <philphoto> or, I mean, HOW?
[05:05] <philphoto> time changes need SU
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, set your timezone to UTC, then change your time to the correct one
[05:06] <stdin> philphoto: tried rebooting recently?
[05:06] <tmulvaney> kPwnage
[05:06] <philphoto> I can do that too.
[05:06] <Cosmo_> stdin: it says Starting Net6 VPN Daemon: start-stop-daemon: option requires an argument -- d
[05:06] <stdin> hitmanWilly: think he's saying you need to be su to change time
[05:06] <philphoto> I've restarted x server a few times with no luck
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> oh yeah, duh...
[05:07] <stdin> philphoto: not x server, a reboot
[05:07] <stdin> Cosmo_: ahh, hold on :)
[05:07] <philphoto> yeah, I can't do anything with the clock settings.  I get: "SU returned an error"
[05:07] <philphoto> right.  reboot coming up
[05:07] <philphoto> see you in a few.
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, sorry, forgot that one
[05:08] <stdin> Cosmo_: this one should work http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15161/
[05:08] <anniee> has anyone actually goten that to work?
[05:08] <stdin> hitmanWilly: the sudo timestamp is stored on /var/run and that's a tempfs mount, so reboot should remove it
[05:09] <stdin> anniee: yeah, loads of people
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> stdin: thanks, new knowlege point to remember
[05:12] <Pollywog> anyone know how to delete icons created by the network folder wizard or knetattach?  I am unable to delete them, the menu does not offer a delete option
[05:15] <Cosmo_> stdin: now it says Starting Net6 VPN Daemon: /etc/init.d/net6vpnd: line 52:  6609 Segmentation fault      start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile --pidfile $lockfile --make-pidfile --exec $binary -- -d
[05:16] <stdin> Cosmo_: well that's something I can't help with, it means that the application is crashing when it's being run
[05:17] <Cosmo_> hmmm, well thank you for all the help
[05:17] <stdin> Cosmo_: apparently the application doesn't support debian/ubuntu, notmuch you can do there
[05:18] <philphoto> stdin: reboot worked so far.
[05:19] <stdin> good :)
[05:19] <philphoto>  "sudo -K" worked.  well, I don't know what it did, but I didn't get shut down
[05:19] <philphoto> now to try synaptic.
[05:20] <philphoto> sweet!  it works now.  good old ON/OFF switch
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, thanks to stdin, i now know that the timestamp is stored on a temp fs, which is why that worked
[05:22] <philphoto> so timestamp is reloaded with each reboot?
[05:22] <philphoto> it's just a running temp file?
[05:22] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, yes
[05:22] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, yup
[05:22] <Cosmo_> hmmm thought I downloaded the one for debian, let me check
[05:22] <philphoto> interesting...
[05:23] <philphoto> is that a feature?  or is it just an incidental way that Linux does things?
[05:23] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, its just the way linux does stuff
[05:23] <philphoto> gotcha.
[05:23] <stdin> everything in /var/run and /var/lock are on tempfs (some other things too)
[05:24] <stdin> and it is by design
[05:24] <stdin> some other distros don't do it like that
[05:24] <stdin> but they suck :p
[05:24] <philphoto> what is the design feature?  I mean, the WHY to why it's done that way?
[05:25] <pestilence> does anybody know why sounds don't work in evolution in KDE?
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, probably so you can fix it like you just did:)
[05:25] <stdin> because if you crash, having things still in /var/run and /var/lock can cause some major problams
[05:25] <philphoto> yeah, that may have been a fatal error in winxp
[05:25] <philphoto> got it.
[05:26] <stdin> the "win" part in winxp is fatal :p
[05:26] <philphoto> oh, that I know
[05:26] <conorkik1> Hi
[05:26] <conorkik1> using KDE!
[05:26] <philphoto> over the next few days, I want to get vuescan up & running
[05:27] <hitmanWilly> !info vuescan
[05:27] <philphoto> once that's done & I know I can do it on a stable build (I couldn't in feisty to save my life) then win is gone forever
[05:27] <ubotu> Package vuescan does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:27] <kamui> HI!!!
[05:27] <conorkik1> Sysinfo for 'ckirkpat-desktop': Linux 2.6.17-10-powerpc running KDE 3.5.5, CPU:  at 0 MHz (82 bogomips), , RAM: 246/249MB, 88 proc's, 1.2d up
[05:27] <kamui> :)
[05:28] <stdin> conorkik1: cpu at 0 MHz? :P
[05:28] <conorkik1> lol
[05:28] <conorkik1> hmm
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> conorkik1, ps3?
[05:28] <conorkik1> Nope
[05:28] <conorkik1> but I am on a PowerPC chip
[05:28] <conorkik1> Running on an iMac G4
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> ah, don't know anything about those :)
[05:29] <stdin> apple do make some messed up hardware
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> wtf is a bogomip?
[05:29] <conorkik1> stdin: My computer is a dome with a swivel flat panel on a silver pole like thing
[05:29] <Dodger73> hi all
[05:30] <stdin> hitmanWilly: basically it's the amount times a CPU can do nothing per second :p
[05:30] <Dodger73> any hardware/driver gurus around?
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> stdin: gotcha
[05:30] <conorkik1> I am kinda a Hardware guru
[05:30] <stdin> hitmanWilly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BogoMips :)
[05:30] <kamui> need help please
[05:30] <kamui> I installed edgy again today
[05:30] <kamui> everything orked great until I upgrade
[05:31] <kamui> now my sound is gone
[05:31] <Dodger73> conorkik1: great, i've got a prototype-ish 'webcam' here that i got today and i was wondering if anyone could help me try to get it to work :)
[05:31] <kamui> how can I troubleshoot a sound driver issue?
[05:31] <Cosmo_> stdin: I found a list of clients, should I get the x86 client or the x86 client - requires OpenMotif 2.2.x or do you know?
[05:31] <philphoto> kamui: which upgrade was the problem?
[05:31] <kamui> installed edgy, and after upgrading all packages using distupgrade
[05:31] <kamui> not to feisty, but just updated my software
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> ok, that was interesting
[05:31] <philphoto> so now what's not working?
[05:32] <stdin> Cosmo_: the x86 client or the x86 client? am I reading double?
[05:32] <Cosmo_> stdin: the second option is x86 client - requires OpenMotif 2.2.x
[05:32] <kamui> philphoto: no sound comes out of my laptop
[05:32] <kamui> I can raise the volume and I see the bar move
[05:32] <kamui> the device seems to exist, but I get no actual sound
[05:33] <conorkik1> Um
[05:33] <conorkik1> a hardware question would have been how to plug it in
[05:33] <conorkik1> so no
[05:33] <stdin> Cosmo_: get the one that doesn't require OpenMotif
[05:33] <conorkik1> sorry
[05:33] <Cosmo_> k
[05:33] <philphoto> driver issue.  well, perhaps.
[05:33] <kamui> I had great skills debugging oss, but alsa is almost a total mystery to me
[05:34] <Dodger73> ah ok... well nevermind :)
[05:34] <Dodger73> thanks anyway conorkik1
[05:34] <CashValentine> [feisty]  If dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help
[05:34] <gera> Hola que tal!!!
[05:35] <gera> Logre hacer andar mi modem USB con Kubunto!!!
[05:35] <Dodger73> so, any takers for some experiments with a new webcam? :)
[05:35] <pestilence> !esd
[05:35] <ubotu> esd is the enlightened sound deamon. It's deprecated, use !alsa instead
[05:36] <philphoto> I know nothing about also, sorry.
[05:36] <philphoto> also, my spelling bad...
[05:36] <philphoto> alsa...   ok, time for bed
[05:36] <CashValentine> Where do you go to get help wih Ubuntu.  This  looks like just a webcam/show-your-pee-pee forum.
[05:36] <philphoto> ha ha ha ha ha ha
[05:36] <conorkik1> ha ha ha
[05:36] <Dodger73> heh
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:36] <pestilence> CashValentine: #ubuntu
[05:36] <luke-jr_work> let's see if 6.06 is better
[05:37] <pestilence> this is #kubuntu ;)
[05:37] <philphoto> let me show you my kernel
[05:37] <Dodger73> i'm just trying to get this damn thing to actually be recognized by the system
[05:37] <Dodger73> and i never showed my pee pee to any strangers
[05:37] <Dodger73> :P
[05:37] <conorkik1> um
[05:37] <CashValentine> pestilence: thx, i'm outa here.   :P
[05:41] <Dodger73> argh
[05:41] <Dodger73> lol
[05:41] <conorkik1> Dodger73: stdin is a person
[05:42] <trpr> lol
[05:42] <conorkik1> not a command
[05:42] <trpr> standard input ;)
[05:42] <luke-jr_work> woohoo
[05:42] <luke-jr_work> 6.06 actually boots!
[05:42] <stdin> I live in /dev
[05:42] <Dodger73> so stdin, any idea about getting this webcam to work?
[05:42] <stdin> Dodger73: what webcam is it?
[05:43] <Dodger73> it's a PS3 HD eyetoy
[05:43] <stdin> CashValentine: version
[05:43] <Cosmo_> how do I run a .tar.gz file?
[05:43] <stdin> Cosmo_: decompress it, with ark
[05:43] <kamui> you don't
[05:43] <CashValentine> stdin: WTF!
[05:43] <TheDebugger> You can't run it, it's like a .zip
[05:43] <TheDebugger> An archive
[05:43] <stdin> CashValentine:  [CTCP]  Received Version request from CashValentine.
[05:44] <kamui> try tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz
[05:44] <stdin> i'm not blind
[05:44] <TheDebugger> tar xvzf thefile.tar.gz
[05:44] <kamui> that extracts to the local dir
[05:44] <conorkik1> um
[05:44] <conorkik1> i got xkill happy
[05:44] <conorkik1> and
[05:44] <CashValentine> stdin: WTF again
[05:44] <conorkik1> kinda sorta clicked on my clock
[05:44] <Dodger73> stdin: i tried the ov511 driver, but it doesn't seem to work with this one
[05:44] <conorkik1> how do I get it back?
[05:45] <luke-jr_work> word: lagged?
[05:45] <conorkik1> yeah
[05:45] <conorkik1> How do you start the taskbar
[05:46] <nonuda> stdin: ah i see, right now i do that, but if u have a lot of file to installed, i guess it will takes much time..do u know this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Personal , i manipulate the local directory as mounted shared folder
[05:46] <pranav_> luke-jr_work: ??
[05:46] <Dodger73> stdin: and obviously, a google search didn't produce much of anything ;)
[05:46] <luke-jr_work> pranav_: ???
[05:46] <pranav_> yes
[05:46] <pranav_> luke-jr_work: I got a ping request from you??
[05:47] <luke-jr_work> pranav_: no, your client did
[05:47] <pranav_> luke-jr_work: probably!!
[05:47] <pranav_> luke-jr_work: sorry for the disturbance
[05:48] <stdin> Dodger73: can't find anything on it, if there is a driver, it's burred somewhere out there in the web
[05:48] <Dodger73> i could take it apart to see what the chip in it is
[05:48] <conorkirk1> ok
[05:49] <conorkirk1> I Xkill'ed my taskbar
[05:49] <conorkirk1> then accidentally minimized konversation
[05:49] <conorkirk1> so then I xkilled my desktop
[05:49] <Dodger73> i'm pretty sure there's not a driver for it yet ;)
[05:49] <conorkirk1> then i hit a bunch of random butttons
[05:49] <conorkirk1> and got to my login screen
[05:49] <Dodger73> well, at least not for this specific camera
[05:50] <conorkirk1> Dedger73
[05:50] <conorkirk1> look at the bottom of the camera
[05:50] <conorkirk1> look for SCPH
[05:50] <Dodger73> it says it's manufactured by Namtai in agreement with sony computer entertainment america, europe and japan
[05:50] <Dodger73> that's it
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> ugh, sony
[05:51] <Dodger73> the camera is wild... it's got four microphones builtin for some reason
[05:52] <sonoftheclayr> my horoscop says something is going to change on or around april 19 for me...if there some great new feature in feisty that isn't there already?
[05:52] <Dodger73> and something that looks like an IR emitter diode to me
[05:53] <CashValentine> well, nobody helps over at #1 either
[05:53] <CashValentine> sad sad sad
[06:00] <DaSkreech_> nikkiana: hello
[06:00] <pagan0ne> anyone have any idea how to remove the white outline around the text on desktop icons?
[06:00] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech_
[06:00] <DaSkreech_> nikkiana: How are you?
[06:00] <nikkiana> DaSkreech_, doing pretty well
[06:01] <DaSkreech_> nikkiana: groovy
[06:02] <CashValentine> why does kubuntu-desktop package install a bunch of terrorist ttf fonts by defaults?  Seems like the terrorist fonts should be OPTIONAL.
[06:02] <MetaBookfoziS> :)
[06:02] <MetaBookfoziS> the same here, i can'T understand that:)
[06:02] <MetaBookfoziS> and that fonts near ~50-60mb
[06:03] <pagan0ne> anyone know how to remove that white outline from text displayed below desktop icons?
[06:03] <MetaBookfoziS> with chinese and japan and other fonts
[06:03] <triker> #ubuntu-es
[06:03] <MetaBookfoziS> pagan0ne > rightclik on desktop -> configure -> and in that window at rightside iirc is there an other settings button
[06:04] <pagan0ne> MetaBookfoziS: thanks!
[06:04] <MetaBookfoziS> np:)
[06:05] <underdog5004> how can I get my dns settings to stick?
[06:05] <soldierboy> anyone else having problems with Feisty usplash? It won't display for me, tried all the usual suspects
[06:05] <underdog5004> how can I get my dns settings to stick?
[06:05] <kamui> ok, I feel generally retarded
[06:05] <underdog5004> (sorry if that's a repeat)
[06:05] <kamui> Im here tryin to recompile the damn kernel to get sound working
[06:06] <kamui> turns out after the upgrade, it just turned the sound WAY down on my system (the pcm channel)
[06:06] <kamui> lol
[06:06] <soldierboy> (kamui) good luck mate, that's no easy task, I attempted and failed
[06:06] <jtt> underdog5004: one way is to have an rc script do it after boot
[06:06] <DaSkreech_> kamui: Should have read !sound
[06:07] <kamui> !sound
[06:07] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:07] <underdog5004> jtt, no, I mean in the same session. I go into network settings, change it to openDNS, click apply, but when I go back, it's back to my gateway ip...
[06:07] <kamui> yea, should have
[06:07] <underdog5004> my isp has a terrible DNS server
[06:07] <kamui> :)
[06:08] <DaSkreech_> First thing is .. is the sound turned down?
[06:08] <kamui> I checked that
[06:08] <kamui> I didn't check the alsa mixer
[06:08] <kamui> that was the problem
[06:08] <DaSkreech_> Oh well to a geek sound turned down means alsamixer :-)
[06:09] <jtt> underdog5004: i occasionally hav dns problems so i copied them to a file and just copy them to  /etc/resolv.conf when I have problems dont know if you want to do that
[06:09] <DaSkreech_> Like starting the OS means grub
[06:09] <nonuda> how do i check an open port?
[06:09] <underdog5004> hmm, no other help? bummer
[06:10] <underdog5004> jtt, any downside?
[06:10] <mardi> i always edit /etc/resolv.conf to change dns servers, no biggie
[06:11] <jtt> underdog5004: my wireless router from time to time decides to not serve up the dns info witht the dhcp call so i just rewrite /etc/resolv.conf  no down side
[06:12] <jtt> underdog5004: in fact i play that game in motels all the time when i travel and use Bell South resolvers  works greate
[06:13] <keisangi> hi there
[06:13] <microphone_not_w> my mic not working in kubuntu
[06:14] <microphone_not_w>  cannot voice chat with relatives who make fun of kubuntu
[06:14] <microphone_not_w> its causing public emabaaressemnt to me
[06:14] <microphone_not_w> dont know how time it will take fic mic bug
[06:14] <microphone_not_w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/80531
[06:14] <DaSkreech_> microphone_not_w: Did you check to see if alsamixer has it muted in input?
[06:15] <keisangi> i have some problem with cron .. i'm using kubuntu .. and i'm new with cron .. i tryed to setup a small cron job to test, in /var/spool/cron/crontabs i created a file named "root" and the content is as follow :  * * * * * /bin/echo "foobar" >> /file_you_own
[06:15] <keisangi> and then i restarted crond
[06:15] <keisangi> so it should execute that command every minute .. but nothing happen ?
[06:16] <nixternal> actually wouldn't that just execute on startup?
[06:16] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: you can make /file_you_own ?
[06:16] <DaSkreech_> don't you mean ~/file_you_own
[06:16] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: yes, i have root access .. i create the file now
[06:16] <DaSkreech_> Which is still pretty bad
[06:17] <nixternal> that it is
[06:17] <microphone_not_w> i have used alasmixer and kmix nothing helps
[06:17] <microphone_not_w> i have used alasmixer and kmix nothing helps
[06:17] <microphone_not_w> i have used alasmixer and kmix nothing helps
[06:17] <keisangi> nixternal: from the tutorial i'm reading:  * * * * * is supposed to execute every minutes ..
[06:18] <nixternal> keisangi: I apologize, you are correct
[06:18] <nixternal> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 000 0 00 0 00 0 is what I was thinkin' ;p
[06:18] <nixternal> err, there would be a 1 in there
[06:18] <dsmith123> just for clarification, if I remove my home/user folder and put it on a clean install will the majority of things worrk?
[06:18] <Arwen> gah, my sound card just stopped working!!!! and it was working 20 minutes ago!
[06:18] <Arwen> what happened?
[06:18] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: i created the file, but it's still 0 in size .. nothing happen
[06:18] <Arwen> someone please help!
[06:18] <keisangi> nixternal: np, thanks for your help btw
[06:19] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: you set the crontab as root"?
[06:19] <Arwen> ........................
[06:19] <DaSkreech_> Arwen: gremlins!
[06:19] <Arwen> damn it, my computer's useless without sound
[06:19] <dsmith123> no, Microsoft butterflies
[06:19] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: i created a file named "root" in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/  containing the following:  * * * * * /bin/echo "foobar" >> /file_you_own
[06:19] <Arwen> speaking of MS, it still works in windows..
[06:20] <luke-jr_work> UGH!!!
[06:20] <luke-jr_work> even 6.06 is buggy as heck!
[06:20] <matthew_> damn it, my computer's useless without reliable internet access
[06:20] <microphone_not_w> i have used alasmixer and kmix nothing helps
[06:20] <microphone_not_w> i have used alasmixer and kmix nothing helps
[06:20] <microphone_not_w> dont know how time it will take fic mic bug
[06:20] <microphone_not_w> its causing public emabaaressemnt to me
[06:20] <microphone_not_w>  cannot voice chat with relatives who make fun of kubuntu
[06:20] <dsmith123> wow channel is hopping tonight
[06:20] <microphone_not_w> in windows it works
[06:20] <DaSkreech_> microphone_not_w: ok. calm down
[06:22] <tinyx> hey
[06:22] <microphone_not_w> pl take this bug as top priority
[06:23] <tinyx> How do I convert .mp3 to .ogg?
[06:23] <microphone_not_w> my computer is usesless with mic
[06:23] <DaSkreech_> microphone_not_w: not the right channel for this
[06:23] <microphone_not_w> what is dev channel
[06:23] <DaSkreech_> microphone_not_w: #ubuntu-devel
[06:23] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: Why would you want to do that?
[06:23] <sonoftheclayr> !info mp32ogg | tinyx
[06:23] <ubotu> tinyx: mp32ogg: Converts MP3 file to Ogg Vorbis. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11-7 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 64 kB
[06:24] <tinyx> Because I can't get amaroK to play my MP3
[06:24] <DaSkreech_> !mp3 | tinyx
[06:24] <ubotu> tinyx: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:24] <tinyx> I've tried..
[06:24] <sonoftheclayr> tinyx: have you installed libxine-extracodecs?
[06:25] <tinyx> No, I couldn't figure out how
[06:25] <sonoftheclayr> !info libxine-extracodes
[06:25] <ubotu> Package libxine-extracodes does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[06:25] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: can you post your sources.list ?
[06:25] <DaSkreech_> !paste | tinyx
[06:25] <ubotu> tinyx: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:26] <sonoftheclayr> tinyx: you need multivers enabled
[06:26] <tinyx> How do I go get the sources.list and the multivers?
[06:26] <anees> hi...I m installing a php project but it gives me an error. Error: 'gd' extension is not loaded... anyone help me plz how i can solve this problem
[06:27] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: the sources.list is at /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:27] <DaSkreech_> anees: what's gd?
[06:27] <anees> may be it is any php extension
[06:27] <tinyx> It says permission denied
[06:28] <DaSkreech_> anees: I'm guessing
[06:28] <anees> ok...
[06:28] <mardi> tinyx: i'm no guru in any way, but i'd do 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:28] <anees> what is the solution
[06:29] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: do you have the pastebin site open?
[06:29] <DaSkreech_> anees: Well i guess first is to find out what it is
[06:29] <tinyx> yes i do
[06:29] <DaSkreech_> I'm guessing a gd extension to php
[06:29] <anees> ok
[06:29] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: ok press alt+f2
[06:29] <anees> yes..u r right
[06:29] <tinyx> ok
[06:29] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: in there type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:30] <DaSkreech_> anees: if you can find out it will probably have instructions to install
[06:30] <mardi> ooh kate :p
[06:30] <MetaBookfoziS> :)
[06:30] <abortd> nano?
[06:30] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: copy the contents of that file into the pastebin site and give us the URL it gives you when you click paste
[06:30] <tinyx> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15171/
[06:30] <DaSkreech_> Oh
[06:31] <DaSkreech_> way ahead of me :)
[06:31] <anees> i m installing www.activecollab.com
[06:31] <anees> it don't have enought help
[06:32] <mardi> abortd: nano is a simple CLI text editor
[06:32] <abortd> oh
[06:32] <tinyx> Did you see the link I posted?
[06:32] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15172/
[06:32] <DaSkreech_> replace the contents of the file with that
[06:33] <DaSkreech_> copy that page and paste it over what you have open
[06:33] <anees> DaSkreech_:  plz check this link...someone also faced this issue....http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-273570.html
[06:33] <DaSkreech_> save it and press reload in adept
[06:33] <tinyx> ?
[06:34] <tinyx> ok
[06:34] <tinyx> I saved it
[06:34] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: press alt+space
[06:34] <DaSkreech_> type adept -> press enter -> enter password
[06:34] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: click reload
[06:34] <ScottLij__> where is the kernel source that I just downloaded form Adept?
[06:34] <tinyx> where is reload?
[06:35] <DaSkreech_> Umm
[06:35] <DaSkreech_> It's a green button I think
[06:35] <tinyx> Fetch updates?
[06:35] <DaSkreech_>  I have it mapped to F5 I never look at it again
[06:35] <DaSkreech_>  yeah that one!
[06:35] <DaSkreech_> anees: http://www.php.net/gd
[06:35] <tinyx> ok i clicked it
[06:36] <tinyx> it finished
[06:36] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: search for libxine-extracodecs
[06:36] <tinyx> what is alt+space by the way?
[06:36] <Jucato> !katapult | tinyx
[06:36] <ubotu> tinyx: katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[06:36] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: pimp hater
[06:37] <Jucato> :P
[06:37] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: I never look at it
[06:37] <DaSkreech_>  I just press F5
[06:37] <DaSkreech_> Should be on by default :-P
[06:38] <tinyx> oh cool
[06:38] <anees> DaSkreech_: thanx...budy
[06:38] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: it's there now
[06:38] <abortd> buddy
[06:39] <DaSkreech_> abortd: thanks :)
[06:39] <tinyx> ?
[06:39] <abortd> ?
[06:39] <anees> sorry...it was buddy
[06:39] <blekos> could somebody tell me where are the icons of open office located? somehow my openoffice doesnt have them (e.g instaed of having the "b" icon for Bold, i have the whole world "Bold" etc)
[06:39] <abortd> for what?
[06:39] <anees> anyway thanx...
[06:39] <anees> u r gr8
[06:39] <abortd> ok anees lay off the gayness a bit
[06:39] <abortd> atleast type a few full words
[06:40] <DaSkreech_> abortd: Agree with the anti-aolness but let me wallow in praise for a bit :)
[06:40] <abortd> and not stuff like u r rxr mn omg
[06:40] <anees> hehehehe..abortd...i m not gay...infact DaSkreech_ is my teacher as i learn something from him
[06:40] <abortd> hehe ok
[06:40] <abortd> i know thats cool
[06:41] <abortd> never said you were nor is it a bad thing but type full words :) turn u r gr8 into "u are great*
[06:41] <DaSkreech_> anees: yeah that's good advice. You just learnt from abortd  as well
[06:41] <abortd> :D
[06:41] <abortd> so im your teacher :D
[06:42] <tinyx> asdlkj
[06:42] <tinyx> lol okay thanks..
[06:42] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: works now?
[06:42] <tinyx> I am about to test it
[06:43] <abortd> why am i getting no sound from mpg files?
[06:43] <anees> abortd: you won
[06:43] <tinyx> It won't play
[06:43] <DaSkreech_> abortd: Probably don't have the right codec installed
[06:43] <abortd> what codec do i need?
[06:43] <abortd> !mpg
[06:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:43] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: Did you close and reopen amarok?
[06:43] <tinyx> yeah
[06:44] <abortd> i am my own teacher now!
[06:45] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: and you installed libxine-extracodecs ?
[06:45] <tinyx> yes
[06:46] <abortd> hm
[06:46] <abortd> someone ping me please
[06:46] <tinyx> abortd:
[06:46] <DaSkreech_> abortd: pong
[06:46] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: that's truly odd
[06:47] <abortd> ?
[06:47] <tinyx> lol I know
[06:47] <tinyx> How do I convert it to .ogg?
[06:47] <DaSkreech_> Ha ha
[06:47] <DaSkreech_> trust me trying to get it working is much faster
[06:47] <tinyx> back to the drawing board
[06:47] <abortd> this is pissing me off
[06:48] <abortd> ok there we go
[06:48] <abortd> how can i change the server i get updates from?
[06:48] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: double check it installed
[06:48] <tinyx> I did =/
[06:49] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: any clues?
[06:49] <DaSkreech_> abortd: change the prefix
[06:50] <abortd> prefix?
[06:50] <Jucato> huh? wha?
[06:50] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: libxine-extracodecs installed.  did it
[06:51] <abortd> line
[06:51] <pollyo> !adeptfix
[06:51] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:51] <abortd> and im no troll right now
[06:52] <Jucato> abortd: I am not 100% paying attention to this channel, as I have some other work to do
[06:52] <Jucato> DaSkreech_: your customer
[06:52] <abortd> finish a word atleast
[06:52] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: I know I want a bone. throw me one
[06:52] <DaSkreech_>  I've never had that happen before
[06:55] <pollyo> !restricteddrivers
[06:55] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: can you open kaffiene and play a mp3?
[06:56] <pollyo> !restricted
[06:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:56] <DaSkreech_> you can right click in Konqueror and play in kaffiene
[06:58] <tinyx> hey
[06:58] <tinyx> sorry
[06:58] <DaSkreech_> tinyx:Hmm?
[06:58] <tinyx> yes Kaffiene works!
[06:58] <tinyx> How can I set it as my default player?~!
[06:59] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: ??
[06:59] <tinyx> OMG thats awesome!! thank you ubuntu dude
[06:59] <tinyx> How do I set Kaffiene as my default player?
[06:59] <tinyx> I think I know..
[06:59] <abortd> what dir is sources in?
[06:59] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: is there a amarok icon in your systray?
[06:59] <tinyx> yes
[07:00] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with restricted drivers?
[07:00] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: right click it and close it
[07:00] <tinyx> ok
[07:00] <DaSkreech_> pollyo: I'm not. What's the problem>
[07:01] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: now alt+space -> ama -> press enter
[07:01] <DaSkreech_> it should work now
[07:01] <kalorin_> ok someone amazingly brilliant tell me how to fix this one: I run the system settings and select monitor and display settings, and I get an error message saying "The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded. The dianostics is: Possible reasons: An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module or You have old third party modules lying around."
[07:01] <DaSkreech_> kalorin_: try opening it in kcontrol
[07:01] <pollyo> DaSkreech_: I'm just looking for information on the nvidia restricted drivers
[07:02] <DaSkreech_> pollyo: What kind?
[07:02] <pollyo> DaSkreech_: nvidia glx-legacy (restricted) driver
[07:03] <DaSkreech_> pollyo: What kind of info I meant
[07:03] <kalorin_> DaSkreech_: it just returns to the peripherals menu
[07:03] <kalorin_> I click and get the menu again
[07:03] <kalorin_> like I didn't click
[07:03] <pollyo> DaSkreech_: How to get it working.  My system installed it but it is not registering as being used.
[07:03] <DaSkreech_> kalorin_: Umm ask in #kde what is needed for that module
[07:03] <kalorin_> now I am running the ATI driver
[07:03] <DaSkreech_> !nvidia | pollyo
[07:03] <ubotu> pollyo: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:04] <Jucato> kalorin_: don't ask in #kde, you'll just get redirected here
[07:04] <Jucato> kalorin_: instead, try to reinstall the kde-guidance package
[07:04] <pollyo> DaSkreech_: I'll check that out.  Thank you.
[07:04] <Jucato> DaSkreech_: Kubuntu's Monitor & Display is a Kubuntu-only module. KDE doesn't ship with it
[07:05] <tinyx> OMG IT WORKS
[07:05] <tinyx> YOUR SO AWESOME
[07:05] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: didn't think about that
[07:05] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: of course it does :)
[07:05] <DaSkreech_> !shout
[07:05] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT!  BUT I FUC---FREAKIN LOVE YOU.
[07:06] <tinyx> haha
[07:06] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: well if you find yourself thinking that your OS is getting in your way again come here
[07:06] <DaSkreech_> We'll change that pretty quick
[07:07] <kalorin_> ok reinstalling the kde-guideance
[07:07] <kalorin_> all set
[07:07] <tinyx> My friend told me about Ubuntu, and I tried it.. and then I tried Kubuntu
[07:07] <tinyx> I like KDE better =]
[07:07] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: I'll check what else is in kde-guidance tomorrow
[07:07] <keisangi> anyone have a clue from cron ?  DaSkreech_ ?
[07:07] <kalorin_> ok reinstalled and restarted the settings deal and same same
[07:07] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: I love you too then :)
[07:07] <kalorin_> it's got to be some kernel module that's the wrong version from the stupid ATI drivers
[07:07] <Jucato> DaSkreech_: userconfig, mountconfig, displayconfig, serviceconfig, and the new wineconfig
[07:08] <DaSkreech_> Ahh that's what does wineconfig
[07:08] <DaSkreech_>  i was trying to figure that out
[07:08] <DaSkreech_> didn't seem very KDeish
[07:08] <DaSkreech_> E
[07:08] <Jucato> DaSkreech_: um no. not the winecfg
[07:08] <Jucato> the one in kde-guidance is a kde frontend to the winecfg one
[07:09] <icecruncher> how do you install rpm's again?
[07:09] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: can you try and echo into /root/file_you_own
[07:09] <Jucato> !alien | icecruncher
[07:09] <ubotu> icecruncher: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[07:09] <DaSkreech_> !rpm | icecruncher
[07:09] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: yes i tryed manualy, it work
[07:09] <icecruncher> so alien bla.rpm = bla.deb?
[07:09] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: Yeah I expected that to
[07:10] <DaSkreech_> the cron is the issue now. did you put the /root/your_file in the cron ?
[07:10] <DaSkreech_> icecruncher: you don't need the =bla.deb it assumes that
[07:10] <DaSkreech_> icecruncher: What are you installing?
[07:10] <kalorin_> nope same same :(
[07:11] <icecruncher> DaSkreech_: I need a flash plugin for konq
[07:11] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: i have a file named "root" in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/    <--- here ...
[07:11] <DaSkreech_> !flash | icecruncher
[07:11] <ubotu> icecruncher: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:11] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[07:11] <Jucato> icecruncher: flashplugin-nonfree
[07:11] <icecruncher> thnks all
[07:12] <keisangi> DaSkreech_:   the content is this:  http://rafb.net/p/DOHAkU37.html
[07:12] <kalorin_> ok this is a little strange looking to me
[07:12] <conorkirk1> Is this flash port for the PowerPC architecture?
[07:12] <kalorin_> depmod -n | grep fglrx shows two modules
[07:12] <kalorin_> 1) /lib/modules/2.6.17-11-generic/misc/fglrx.ko
[07:13] <kalorin_> and 2) /lib/modules/2.6.17-11-generic/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko
[07:13] <kalorin_> but they're not the same size file
[07:13] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: type crontab -e
[07:13] <kalorin_> does that make any sense?
[07:13] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: ok .. i need it
[07:14] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: i *did* it
[07:14] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: does it still show you that file ?
[07:14] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: it opened my "root" file from /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root
[07:14] <keisangi> into nano editor
[07:14] <DaSkreech_> right
[07:15] <DaSkreech_> change the /file_you_own to /root/file_you_own
[07:18] <kalorin> so any other ideas how to find modules that are orphaned?
[07:18] <kalorin> help me obi-wan, you're my only hope!
[07:19] <kalorin> (but I don't look like leia)
[07:19] <crazy_bus> can I ask feisty questions here or is there a special channel?
[07:19] <DaSkreech_> crazy_bus: officially it's #ubuntu+1
[07:20] <crazy_bus> is that for kubuntu questions too?
[07:20] <DaSkreech_> kalorin: Chewie?
[07:20] <farruinn> After recent updates in edgy Quanta freezes as soon as it opens. Terminal output is at: http://pastebin.ca/435851
[07:21] <jtt> crazy_bus: #kubuntu
[07:21] <kalorin> well not that bad
[07:21] <Jucato> crazy_bus: #ubuntu+1 is for all feisty questions
[07:21] <kalorin> more like, rebel soldier # 237391
[07:22] <DaSkreech_> kalorin: oh that guy. What's he up to nowadays?
[07:22] <kalorin> just finishing up his degree for IT
[07:22] <kalorin> and making the switch to kubuntu
[07:22] <kalorin> nice guy
[07:22] <kalorin> having a hell of a time with his ATI video card :(
[07:23] <DaSkreech_> kalorin: What do you want it to do?
[07:23] <kalorin> and too poor to just go buy a new one
[07:23] <kalorin> well I just want to figure out what it's complaining about with this module that's laying around
[07:23] <kalorin> it would seem it's a kernel module that says it's orphaned
[07:23] <kalorin> and I just can't sleep knowing that there's an orphan on my system needing a good family
[07:23] <kalorin> :)
[07:24] <DaSkreech_> What ati card is it?
[07:24] <kalorin> well it's an x700 and I've got it working now
[07:24] <kalorin> doing the whole big desktop using the ATI drivers and all that jazz
[07:25] <kalorin> but now this applet thing wouldn't run
[07:25] <kalorin> and it's weirdness, I put DPMS settings in the xorg.conf file and it ignores them
[07:25] <kalorin> but if I use xset and set them it's fine and works great
[07:26] <farruinn> Can anyone see if they have the same problem with Quanta that I do?
[07:26] <kalorin> also it always starts with the two screens in clone mode, and I have to use their applet to change it to dual head
[07:26] <kalorin> go figure
[07:26] <farruinn> I have no idea why I'm getting this "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169" error.
[07:26] <kalorin> but since I restart so seldom it's not a big deal, but I do want that module gone
[07:26] <farruinn> I've seen it in a few bugs for kde packages on launchpad, but I didn't see any connection to this
[07:26] <Jucato> farruinn: you can ignore those baddevice errors
[07:27] <Jucato> they're basically just saying that it can't find any wacom device indicated in the xorg.conf file
[07:27] <os2mac> Is there a way through adept to revert to an older version of an installed package?
[07:27] <farruinn> Jucato: Ah, ok. Thanks
[07:28] <farruinn> How can I figure out what's causing the problem then?
[07:29] <DaSkreech_> os2mac: good question. You can do it in apt-get
[07:29] <farruinn> I tried deleting ~/.kde/share/apps/quanta in case there was a bad setting, but it had no effect
[07:29] <Jucato> farruinn: the settings would be in ~/.kde/share/config/
[07:29] <os2mac> DaSkreech: can you give me an example syntax?
[07:29] <Jucato> ~/.kde/share/apps is the application's data folder
[07:30] <icecruncher> amarok won't play podcasts, what to do?
[07:31] <farruinn> Jucato: ah, many thanks, that did it.
[07:31] <flaccid> farruinn: thats intentional
[07:31] <markc> any audio folks here ?
[07:31] <farruinn> flaccid: what's intentional?
[07:31] <flaccid> oh sorry jucato already answered
[07:31] <markc> I mean heavy duty alsa users
[07:31] <sonoftheclayr> icecruncher: what does amarok do when it won't play podcasts?
[07:31] <flaccid> my bad
[07:31] <flaccid> its a pity kubuntu doesn't wanna get rid of baddevice
[07:31] <farruinn> flaccid: eh, ok :)
[07:32] <farruinn> right, so is that a kde library that's making that message or an X library?
[07:32] <Jucato> flaccid: it's not a kubuntu thing only. it's a whole Ubuntu thing
[07:32] <os2mac> Dascreech: ?
[07:32] <Jucato> farruinn: that's X
[07:32] <flaccid> yes but kubuntu can do something about it then share it with ubuntu
[07:33] <flaccid> i was referring to the community
[07:33] <Jucato> flaccid: what I meant to say is that it's a -core feature/bug/problem/issue
[07:33] <farruinn> so apparently it hasn't been fixed for feisty?
[07:33] <Jucato> kernel/X level
[07:33] <icecruncher> sonoftheclayr: i download them, and it says 'sme media could not be loaded (not playable
[07:33] <Jucato> it's not really something broken to be fixed. it's more of an unwanted side effect
[07:34] <flaccid> its userland
[07:34] <flaccid> not kernel
[07:34] <Jucato> flaccid: X
[07:34] <Jucato> I meant that the -core devs are the ones handling the lower level stuff
[07:35] <flaccid> its specific to X but its responsible in userland
[07:35] <sonoftheclayr> icecruncher: i dunno, your on your on sorry
[07:35] <flaccid> and to determine if it was broken or an unwanted side effect there woudl need to be some sort of specification document
[07:37] <DaSkreech_> icecruncher: install mp3 support
[07:38] <flaccid> i just don't see why wacom gets the exception to the rule
[07:38] <Jucato> flaccid: because they put that in xorg.conf by default to be able to accomodate tablet pc's and pointing devices such as those on laptops
[07:38] <flaccid> why do they have to do that?
[07:39] <Jucato> it's not really for wacom tablets
[07:39] <flaccid> whats different about wacom
[07:39] <Jucato> ?
[07:39] <flaccid> xorg.conf is an optimised document
[07:39] <Jucato> it's not for wacom tablets themselves
[07:39] <flaccid> xorg configure scripts and programs shouldn't be putting in devices that are not in your system
[07:40] <N0Lif3|lappy> Hey guys, I can't access the share settings (SystemSettings>Sharing). Even when I click the "Administrator Mode" button and enter my password, it is still greyed out and unaccessable. I even tried "sudo systemsettings" from the Konsole and it's still greyed out.
[07:41] <fdoving> flaccid: don't you want things you plugin to your system to work without re-running the configuration for each device? i for example want my external monitor to work without having to restart X. it does need to be configured to work with xorg.conf in order to acomplish that.
[07:41] <flaccid> thats something different
[07:42] <flaccid> if thats the case why don't we just put all devices in xorg.conf
[07:42] <flaccid> and screw the xorg-reconfigure or whatever
[07:42] <flaccid> then people wouldn't have to much at all but it wouldn't discriminate..
[07:42] <chemicalvamp> i cant seem to move this file from my desktop to a restricted folder...
[07:43] <fdoving> flaccid: because that's unneccessary, and wouldn't work. we're going for a compromise here. simple-enought but yet powerfull and most devices will work.
[07:43] <chemicalvamp> i type sudo mv (path/filename) (path)
[07:43] <chemicalvamp> and i get a line like this: >
[07:43] <flaccid> thing is fdoving
[07:43] <flaccid> isn't a wacom tablet a pc
[07:43] <flaccid> you don't plug it in to your pc, it is the pc ?
[07:44] <flaccid> so the initial xorg configure should detect if you have that an put it in xorg.conf conditionally
[07:44] <jtt> chemicalvamp:  do you only get the  >  (greater than prompt back?)
[07:44] <flaccid> that would save the workaround
[07:44] <N0Lif3|lappy> anybody?
[07:44] <jtt> chemicalvamp: all by itself on a line
[07:44] <mikey> can kubuntu tell me the type of ram on my system?
[07:44] <Jucato> flaccid: a wacom tablet isn't a pc
[07:44] <chemicalvamp> yup
[07:45] <flaccid> what is it?
[07:45] <DaSkreech_> chemicalvamp: you have an open quote
[07:45] <fdoving> flaccid: http://images.google.no/images?q=wacom%20tablet&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
[07:45] <jtt> chemicalvamp: that is you secondary prompt you have a single quote or something taht is preventing the completion of the shell command lien
[07:45] <flaccid> they look like tablet pcs to me http://www.wacom.com/tabletpc/
[07:45] <Jucato> flaccid: http://www.wacom.com/
[07:46] <jtt> chemicalvamp: the shell is expecting more input (closure) before it executes teh mv command
[07:46] <flaccid> it says pc on that site
[07:46] <chemicalvamp> sudo mv /home/chemicalvamp/Desktop/Wag'sdungeon.mod /usr/share/games/egoboo/modules/
[07:46] <Jucato> flaccid: that's a Tablet PC made by the Wacom company
[07:46] <flaccid> yes
[07:46] <DaSkreech_> chemicalvamp: you need to escape the '
[07:46] <flaccid> is that not what we are talking about?
[07:46] <Jucato> flaccid: a plain wacom tablet is an input device
[07:47] <chemicalvamp> do i rename the file?
[07:47] <mikey> anyone?
[07:47] <DaSkreech_> chemicalvamp: tab is your friend
[07:47] <jtt> chemicalvamp: yep the  single quote is the problem  back slash it  ...\'...
[07:47] <flaccid> Jucato: the pen tablet ?
[07:47] <Jucato> "tablet" doesn't necessarily mean "tablet pc "
[07:47] <Jucato> yes
[07:47] <flaccid> well most people when they say tablet they mean a pc
[07:47] <flaccid> and not a stylus
[07:47] <Jucato> and X sees them both as just one device
[07:47] <Jucato> (a stylus isn't a tablet either)
[07:48] <Jucato> a stylus is the pen you use for both plain tablets and a tablet pc
[07:48] <fdoving> flaccid: judging from google images results, that's not true.
[07:48] <flaccid> ok
[07:48] <flaccid> what is a tablet
[07:48] <flaccid> lol
[07:48] <chemicalvamp> thanks guys i just cut the ' out
[07:48] <flaccid> you only linked me to wacom.com which is all of them
[07:49] <DaSkreech_> chemicalvamp: on the command line tab is yourfriend
[07:49] <DaSkreech_> !tab | chemicalvamp
[07:49] <ubotu> chemicalvamp: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[07:49] <Jucato> fdoving: Plain (graphics) tablet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_tablet
[07:49] <mikey> kinfocenter is mo nice
[07:49] <Jucato> er sorry
[07:49] <Jucato> flaccid: Plain (graphics) tablet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_tablet
[07:49] <mikey> but, don't tell me the type of ram
[07:49] <Jucato> flaccid: Tablet PC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_PC
[07:49] <chemicalvamp> DaSkreech_ oh yes xD very nice
[07:50] <flaccid> so the tablet is what you right on and so forth. the input device
[07:50] <Jucato> write/draw/point
[07:50] <Jucato> tablet pc is a pc that uses a tablet interface
[07:50] <flaccid> thanks for the explanation
[07:50] <Jucato> so for a tablet pc's interface to work, X must be configured to work with it, hence the wacom lines in xorg.conf
[07:51] <N0Lif3|lappy> Hey guys, I can't access the share settings (SystemSettings>Sharing). Even when I click the "Administrator Mode" button and enter my password, it is still greyed out and unaccessable. I even tried "sudo systemsettings" from the Konsole and it's still greyed out.
[07:51] <Jucato> for a tablet pc, the tablet is not just an extra device you attach, but an essential peripheral, like a keyboard and a mouse
[07:51] <flaccid> thats cool
[07:52] <Jucato> !away > plasmonet
[07:52] <flaccid> but it should be detected
[07:52] <flaccid> which goes back to my point :)
[07:52] <flaccid> actually maybe i'm wrong. because you would need to restart X if you already had X going and was just handed a tablet to plugin
[07:53] <Jucato> does the installation autodetect if a keyboard is present and removes the keyboard entry if it isn't? or does it work with a default configuration
[07:53] <jtt> N0Lif3|lappy: worked for me not sure where that base menu is
[07:53] <N0Lif3|lappy> jtt: :/
[07:53] <flaccid> its defined explicitly in xorg.conf for keybaord
[07:53] <Jucato> flaccid: then think why it must be explicitly defined in xorg.conf in order for Ubuntu to work on tablet pc's out of the box
[07:54] <flaccid> so the problem really could be xorg because it needs to handle devices that are not currently plugged in right?
[07:54] <jtt> N0Lif3|lappy: cd to  $HOME/,kde  and execute  find . |grep -i  sharing     and see what pops up
[07:54] <mikey> jtt: what was the fix?  happens to me occassionally
[07:54] <flaccid> yes but the xorg configure does the explicit definition..
[07:54] <Jucato> probably. but we're also considering what needs to be ther by default for the system to work ootb
[07:54] <N6REJ> does anyone know why Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> in linux doesn't show images on webpages?
[07:54] <jtt> mikey: the fix  for  >
[07:54] <mikey> [22:51]  <N0Lif3|lappy> Hey guys, I can't access the share settings
[07:54] <jtt> mikey: i.e. do you mean the fix for  >
[07:55] <Jucato> flaccid: just consider, for a Tablet PC owner, he would probably be having the same baddevice errors for the keyboard and mice entries in xorg.conf
[07:55] <jtt> mikey: ok
[07:55] <mikey> greyed out even when hitting admin button
[07:55] <Jucato> (unless the tablet pc is a convertible)
[07:55] <N6REJ> mikey: I have the same problem :(
[07:55] <flaccid> Jucato: no because keyboard is autodetected or asked with xorg configure program
[07:55] <mikey> seems to be a common onethen
[07:55] <jtt> mikey: i said go to   $HOME/.kde and  execute   find . | grep -i  sharing    and see what pops up
[07:55] <mikey> mine seems to fix itself without a reboot
[07:56] <mikey> ty jtt
[07:56] <jtt> mikey: i am not sure where that menu comes from but it might have info   in  $HOME/.kde
[07:56] <N6REJ> jtt: nothing does.
[07:56] <Jucato> flaccid: anyway, we're going offtopic, we can argue on and on about this, but the people you really want to talk to, if you're really concerned, would be in #ubuntu-devel
[07:56] <jtt> N6REJ: hold on a sec
[07:56] <N6REJ> jtt: k
[07:57] <flaccid> Jucato: i think #xorg might be better. i'll find out the best way to handle this then get back to you
[07:57] <Jucato> not to me though
[07:57] <flaccid> ie. ad-hoc devices with xorg that are not yet plugged in
[07:57] <flaccid> errr yes to you
[07:57] <Jucato> O.o
[07:57] <N0Lif3|lappy> Could somebody look at this config.log file and tell me why it configure doesn't pass for me? http://download.yousendit.com/C91AEC8172DA5E72
[07:57] <flaccid> its called being respectful
[07:57] <Jucato> flaccid: ah ok... if you say so :)
[07:58] <mikey> any shortcut to bring up a root terminal?
[07:58] <flaccid> i'm sure you would like to know the outcome :)
[07:58] <Jucato> mikey: other than using sudo?
[07:58] <mikey> command is what then?
[07:58] <jtt> N6REJ:  yes you are right nothing pops up here either  sorry  i am not an indepth  kde  person
[07:58] <mikey> sorry, nOOb here
[07:58] <N6REJ> jtt: np.
[07:58] <Jucato> !sudo | mikey
[07:58] <ubotu> mikey: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:59] <Jucato> flaccid: yeah kinda. but not all too crucial for me :)
[07:59] <N6REJ> N0Lif3|lappy: if you want help with that please put it in a pastebin.  I'm not going to dl a file from a site I don't know.
[07:59] <mikey> jucato: ty.  will have a look
[07:59] <flaccid> severity doesn't matter
[07:59] <N6REJ> !pastebin N0Lif3|lappy
[07:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebin n0lif3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:59] <jtt> N6REJ:  look in the  kde  share  directory  probalby  under  /usr and search for  sharing
[07:59] <N6REJ> jtt: cc
[07:59] <N0Lif3|lappy> N6REJ: pastebin?
[07:59] <DaSkreech_> .o0(Alt+space)
[08:00] <Jucato> !pastebin | N0Lif3|lappy
[08:00] <ubotu> N0Lif3|lappy: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:01] <Jucato> N6REJ: you forgot the | in between the factoid and the nick :
[08:01] <Jucato> :)
[08:01] <N6REJ> lol, figures.
[08:01] <N6REJ> brb, out of smokes.
[08:02] <jtt> N6REJ: is the sharing  icon itself grayed out?
[08:02] <N6REJ> no, it informed me that I don't have the smb/nfs servers installed.
[08:03] <jtt> N6REJ: oh that is different
[08:03] <jtt> N6REJ: hold on a moment
[08:03] <N6REJ> yeah, that makes sense... it never said that before.
[08:03] <N6REJ> Thats self explanatory.
[08:03] <jtt> N6REJ: they you know what to do right?
[08:04] <N6REJ> yeah.
[08:04] <jtt> mikey: you there
[08:04] <mikey> yup
[08:04] <N0Lif3|lappy> N6REJ: i'm trying to use pastebin by pasting the contents of my config.log file, but when I press Send I just get a page of garbage.
[08:04] <jtt> mikey: did you see my questions to N6REJ
[08:05] <mikey> yea
[08:05] <mikey> sharing yes?
[08:05] <flaccid> where is service management gui located in kubuntu
[08:05] <N6REJ> N0Lif3|lappy: is it a binary file or an ascii file?  don't select a file type.
[08:05] <N6REJ> flaccid: advanced
[08:05] <jtt> mikey: perhaps you also have not installed samba
[08:05] <jtt> mikey: or nfs
[08:05] <flaccid> ah thanks
[08:05] <mikey> no, I've got samba up and running actually
[08:05] <flaccid> gotta kill networkmanager its useless
[08:06] <mikey> windows media center pc hooked to my linux serve
[08:06] <jtt> mikey: and the sharing icon is grayed out?
[08:06] <N6REJ> flaccid: don't you need it to get out?
[08:06] <mikey> not always
[08:06] <flaccid> out of it?
[08:06] <jtt> mikey: sometimes it is sometimes it is not?
[08:06] <N0Lif3|lappy> N6REJ: no, wasn't binary. It's all read-able, it's a log of how my configure process went. ascii
[08:06] <mikey> but, when I hit the admin icon, expecting a password entry, the large box goes red, and nothing fills into it
[08:06] <N6REJ> flaccid: what is the purprose of the network manager, its hassling me 2
[08:06] <mikey> jtt: yes
[08:07] <mikey> seems random
[08:07] <mikey> and clears up by itself
[08:07] <flaccid> i don't know what the purpose of it is
[08:07] <N6REJ> jtt: he's having the problem I had before the latest updates.... now it complains about samba
[08:07] <flaccid> it might help if you are dynamic on several nets, but otherwise it just stuffs up my networking
[08:07] <jtt> mikey: the admin icon, where is that
[08:07] <mikey> bottom of the sharing screen
[08:07] <jtt> mikey: ok hold a min
[08:08] <N6REJ> flaccid: thats what I'm wondering... I'm nat'd and my ip id dynamic ( DUH ) but, still.
[08:08] <N6REJ> jtt: let me make sure samba is in on my side.
[08:08] <flaccid> it might be good wireless, thats about it
[08:09] <N6REJ> flaccid: interesting.  I wonder if I manually turned the silly thing on.
[08:09] <jtt> mikey: funny i dont hav an admin button however, i always login as root
[08:09] <flaccid> what calls networkmanager, coz its not in services?
[08:09] <mikey> oh really...
[08:10] <flaccid> jtt: not good
[08:10] <flaccid> !info network-manager
[08:10] <ubotu> network-manager: network management framework daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.3-2ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 222 kB, installed size 540 kB
[08:10] <flaccid> ok its optional
[08:10] <flaccid> so i remove it
[08:10] <flaccid> its quite wrong thats its not installed as a service
[08:10] <flaccid> maybe it goes under dif name
[08:10] <jtt> flaccid: i dont ever run as anything else never have for 20 years
[08:11] <N6REJ> it does.
[08:11] <flaccid> its considered bad practice to login as root under X
[08:11] <N6REJ> sudo apt-cache search networkmanager you'll be surprised
[08:12] <DaSkreech_> flaccid: In Ubuntu it's considered bad to login as root
[08:12] <jtt> flaccid: it is an old wifes tale
[08:12] <mikey> wow...windows media center is MUCH faster with linux as a server
[08:12] <flaccid> DaSkreech_: i read a page once that said its bad to do it for X in general. not sure why
[08:12] <mikey> searching for music is zippy
[08:12] <plasmonet> !kde
[08:12] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[08:12] <N6REJ> The schism to not running as root is simply to protect yourself from yourself
[08:12] <flaccid> mikey: doubt it
[08:12] <mikey> is
[08:12] <flaccid> N6REJ: not the package name. the service name. can you see what the service is called because i can't
[08:13] <mikey> I've been using a windows share for a year.  Just switched to linux
[08:13] <N6REJ> let me look.
[08:13] <flaccid> mikey: maybe you are not using an index
[08:13] <mikey> index?
[08:13] <flaccid> yes
[08:13] <flaccid> locate slocate
[08:14] <mikey> in mce, I search for media, and it populates the database
[08:14] <flaccid> windows using the IndexingService or whatever
[08:14] <mikey> think that's a default setting no?
[08:14] <flaccid> yes mikey you would need to set up an index
[08:14] <flaccid> i've never used mce
[08:15] <mikey> windows has indexing allowed on all default ide hd's no?
[08:16] <flaccid> i don't know sorry mikey. i know back in the day you used have to turn it on, but yeah dunno
[08:16] <flaccid> they most likely made it default
[08:16] <mikey> prob.
[08:16] <flaccid> N6REJ: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=network-manager&version=edgy&arch=i386 can't see it having its own daemon. pretty non-standard
[08:17] <mikey> but, linux crashed when updating my media share, when I hit adept and began looking for an update to my video card
[08:17] <mikey> brb
[08:17] <flaccid> find out why
[08:19] <mikey> how?
[08:19] <mikey> everything locked, had to hard boot
[08:20] <flaccid> check /var/log/syslog before the crash to see if anything went in there
[08:20] <flaccid> can you replicate the crash?
[08:20] <flaccid> ie. does it happen all the time when you use adept
[08:21] <mikey> only happened once
[08:21] <N6REJ> ok, this was werid.
[08:21] <N6REJ> I think I was being hacked!
[08:21] <mikey> and I've used adept many times b4
[08:21] <mikey> was updating 10K songs, that's prob. why
[08:22] <Cosmo_> I forget whats the terminal command to rename a file
[08:22] <ulmolavender> Cosmo_: mv
[08:23] <abortd> isnt mv to move a file from dir to dir?
[08:23] <Jucato> it's also to rename
[08:23] <N6REJ> can someone please explain to me why this place would have an "eth0" entry in my ifconfig?  It was eth0-ahav if I remember right... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15180/
[08:23] <N6REJ> abortd: yes
[08:23] <abortd> ....
[08:23] <ulmolavender> cd /tmp; touch it; mv it there; ls
[08:24] <mikey> flaccid: this mean anything?
[08:24] <mikey> ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:03:02.0[A]  -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 169
[08:24] <mikey> in syslog
[08:25] <flaccid> mikey: possible. i guess you could google acpi level, low
[08:25] <mikey> will do
[08:25] <flaccid> but if its hard crash its 50% chance hardware problem
[08:25] <flaccid> if it doesn't happen again then cool
[08:25] <flaccid> what version of ubuntu
[08:25] <keisangi> DaSkreech_:  thanks for the help earlier with cron :)
[08:25] <anees> flaccid: hi...is there prince of percia game in ubuntu
[08:25] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: Works now?
[08:26] <mikey> dunno. how can I tell ver?
[08:26] <flaccid> !games > anees
[08:26] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: yes :)
[08:26] <mikey> think it's the newest.  only d/l a few days ago
[08:26] <anees> yes
[08:26] <flaccid> anees: also search http://packages.ubuntu.com or apt:// in konq
[08:26] <flaccid> mikey: i had a hard crash like that last night too
[08:26] <flaccid> on feisty dev
[08:27] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: i was busy so i couldn't test but yes your last messages did solved the prob .. /root/file instead of /file
[08:27] <mikey> not using that one here.  The prior release
[08:27] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: Thought so
[08:27] <flaccid> and i'm on new non-faulty hardware, tested. so could be a bug in the dev release. we wait for prod release first
[08:27] <anees> flaccid: ok...sir...
[08:27] <flaccid> mikey: either way
[08:27] <N6REJ> oh this sucks, opera's been removed from fiesty
[08:27] <mikey> edgy I think
[08:28] <farodi> oi
[08:28] <mikey> is it a pain to add software that is not in the repo directory of adept?
[08:28] <jtt> mikey: the kernel that crashed  was it from  cvs  or  a daily
[08:28] <mikey> no idea
[08:28] <mikey> <--- remember...nOOb
[08:28] <jtt> mikey: where did you get it from
[08:29] <mikey> kubuntu
[08:29] <flaccid> N6REJ: yeah i install the latest desktop version
[08:29] <jtt> mikey: do you have the url
[08:29] <flaccid> mikey: its not hard
[08:29] <mikey> lemme see
[08:29] <jtt> mikey: i am interested because i am on of the testers for ubuntu and kubuntu images
[08:30] <flaccid> to install a .deb package: dpkg -i ./mypackage.deb
[08:30] <N6REJ> flaccid: yeah, I did to, but today its complaining... I'm having a problem with firefox not showing images on certain webpages, and I can't figure out why.  like www.joomla.com it won't show some of the imagery.
[08:30] <DaSkreech_> !opera
[08:30] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[08:30] <mikey> was 6.10 from http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[08:31] <mikey> flaccid: ty. gonna add that one to the cheat sheet
[08:31] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: try sudo apt-get install opera and see what happens :D
[08:31] <jtt> mikey: ok that is an older one i am primarily concerned with  7.04 dailys
[08:31] <jtt> mikey: thanks
[08:31] <mikey> np
[08:31] <flaccid> yeah the repos is broken for opera it think i removed it yesterday
[08:31] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: cmd.exe complains :(
[08:31] <tinyx> hello
[08:31] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: yo
[08:31] <tinyx> Nice to see you again DaSkreech_
[08:31] <flaccid> latest opera: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/
[08:32] <tinyx> i was bored.. so i came back to chat =]
[08:32] <N6REJ> jtt: todays kernel was fine.
[08:32] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: cool :)
[08:32] <tinyx> I saw somebody online with a 3D desktop type thing... is that possible, or do I not know what I am talking about lol
[08:32] <jtt> N6REJ: did you download the daily
[08:32] <mikey> anyone got a good solution for a windows emulator?
[08:32] <DaSkreech_> !beryl | tinyx
[08:32] <ubotu> tinyx: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:32] <abortd> when is final release of feisty?
[08:32] <abortd> !release
[08:32] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[08:32] <abortd> nm
[08:32] <N6REJ> jtt: yep, I use adept auto-updater and trust it heavily.
[08:32] <DaSkreech_> !schedule | abortd
[08:32] <ubotu> abortd: please see above
[08:33] <N6REJ> it dl's over 100 packages today
[08:33] <tinyx> Have you ever used that...
[08:33] <DaSkreech_> abortd: Pretty much next week
[08:33] <abortd> i showed my self first :P
[08:33] <tinyx> umm, what is your name DaSkreech_
[08:33] <DaSkreech_> Da
[08:33] <jtt> N6REJ: good glad someone is testing i am out of pocket for several days
[08:33] <DaSkreech_> skreech
[08:33] <DaSkreech_> _
[08:33] <DaSkreech_>  :-)
[08:33] <kalorin> mikey, vmware
[08:33] <jtt> N6REJ: btw what is dl  deleted?
[08:33] <tinyx> ok cool
[08:34] <abortd> heh
[08:34] <mikey> hmm... I don't think it can open the app I need
[08:34] <tinyx> I hate using the tab function with konversation.. it hates me =/
[08:34] <mikey> which is quickbooks 2006
[08:34] <N6REJ> jtt: download
[08:34] <tinyx> But anyways, have you used beryl skreech?
[08:34] <kalorin> mikey, vmware server is freeware
[08:34] <mikey> kalorin: but ty
[08:34] <kalorin> mkae a windows box and run it in there
[08:34] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: try using four letters first
[08:34] <mikey> lol
[08:34] <tinyx> DaSkreech_: oh cool
[08:34] <mikey> yea, guess so kalorin
[08:34] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: makes it a lot more likely to hit what you want
[08:34] <kalorin> that's what I'm doing with photoshop
[08:35] <mikey> yea, sux
[08:35] <abortd> thats like asking "whats your name neo"
[08:35] <mikey> I dual boot mine also
[08:35] <kalorin> yep sure does
[08:35] <jtt> N6REJ: i keep rsyncing the dailys but have not had time to test for several days
[08:35] <kalorin> i don't dual boot
[08:35] <mikey> oh ic
[08:35] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: Welcome to Kubuntu btw
[08:35] <tinyx> Can you use Photoshop with Kubuntu?
[08:35] <kalorin> just fire up a window with windows running in it, use it, put it away
[08:35] <tinyx> Thank you =]
[08:35] <DaSkreech_>  I didn't do that before
[08:35] <DaSkreech_> !photoshop
[08:35] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[08:35] <kalorin> tiny: sure with vmware
[08:35] <kalorin> or some other emulation software
[08:35] <abortd> tinyx, the gimp works just as well i prefer it
[08:35] <mikey> tinyx: I heard you can by using win4lin I believe
[08:35] <N6REJ> jtt: last few days i've been getting updates up the wazzoo.  Glad to see'm too!
[08:35] <jtt> N6REJ: i see heno put out a msg about testing  4/11/07 as they think that will be the RC
[08:35] <kalorin> gimp *laugh* appropriately named
[08:35] <tinyx> I have Wine on my system as well, but yeah.
[08:36] <kalorin> wine didn't work with elements 4 that I tried
[08:36] <tinyx> I wish I could use MySpaceIM.. because my GF has that.. and I have to use Windows to talk to her online
[08:36] <jtt> N6REJ: how are you downloading what command are you using
[08:36] <N6REJ> jtt: I hope we're getting close to a stable RC
[08:36] <abortd> why use windows if all you can do is use windows programs?
[08:36] <mikey> tinyx: trade her in for a linux chick
[08:36] <mikey> lol
[08:37] <N6REJ> jtt: I use the adept-auto updater.  I get a red triangle almost every morning.
[08:37] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: convert her :)
[08:37] <abortd> i do everything i did on windows in linux without the programs besides utorrent
[08:37] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: or jump in #kopete and tell them you need myspaceim support ;-)
[08:37] <DaSkreech_> For <3
[08:37] <mikey> abortd: I'm getting there...just a few stragglers
[08:37] <abortd> tell her to use msn
[08:37] <tinyx> I can't use Kopete with AIM.
[08:37] <mikey> like skype, photoshop, quickbooks
[08:37] <tinyx> My buddy list won't show up
[08:38] <abortd> doesnt kopete work with msn vid and mic?
[08:38] <tinyx> I had to install Gaim.. and I HATE GAIM.
[08:38] <jtt> N6REJ:  so you are running 7.04 all the time?
[08:38] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: Did you have the little blue man running?
[08:38] <kalorin> icky gaim
[08:38] <abortd> gaim is great i use gnome
[08:38] <N6REJ> I would love to be able to use photoshop in *nix.  Gimp drives me crazy.
[08:38] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: it does that to me as well
[08:38] <N6REJ> jtt: yep!
[08:38] <kalorin> kopete does a nice job with yahoo messenger
[08:38] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: I just sign off and back on and it works
[08:38] <DaSkreech_> kalorin: Yeah much more so than all others save jabber
[08:38] <abortd> gaim pwns all
[08:38] <N6REJ> jtt: having some issues with losing sound settings, but other then that pretty stable for me.
[08:39] <jtt> N6REJ: ok good i cant do that on the road i do it at home but on the road i have to be stable no time to fudge around with problems
[08:39] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: talk to Disney
[08:39] <kalorin> havent tried jabber
[08:39] <tinyx> I get this message You are not allowed to add yourself to the contact list. The addition of "blowthathoesmind" to account "blowthathoesmind" will not take place.
[08:39] <mikey> any samba users here?
[08:39] <kalorin> I got the ymessenger linxu version
[08:39] <kalorin> it sucked bad
[08:39] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: k, will do that.  It just started with the last few updates, so hopefully they're on it.
[08:39] <jtt> N6REJ: sound is not one of my needs for the most part
[08:40] <tinyx> My s/n is blowthathoesmind by the way lol
[08:40] <N6REJ> jtt: cc
[08:40] <N6REJ> jtt: only reason I mainly use it is for skype.
[08:40] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: They are paying for Photoshop to run on Linux
[08:40] <jtt> N6REJ: yes someone asked a question about ubuntu and skype last night
[08:40] <N6REJ> will someone please explain to me why with both FF and opera I can't see the main images at www.joomla.com
[08:40] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: who's paying?
[08:40] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: how?
[08:41] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: Disney
[08:41] <DaSkreech_> To Wine Devs
[08:41] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: wow!
[08:41] <DaSkreech_> It's Photoshop 7 and 8 they want though :)
[08:41] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: 9 has too many bad problems.  I'd be very happy to get 8 solid.
[08:41] <tinyx> brb
[08:41] <DaSkreech_> they are moving a large part of the animation studios to linux cause it saves tehm oodles of money (Go Pixar!)
[08:42] <N6REJ> WAHOOOO!
[08:42] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: Some people went to Gimp others couldn't stomach it
[08:42] <mikey> N6RE: konq also don't display image
[08:42] <DaSkreech_> so they worked it out and it costs them less money to get Photoshop working on Linux than it does to move back to Windows
[08:42] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: I'm trying to learn gimp, but it gives me headaches.  There are a few neat tricks it has, but its not as .......mmmmmmm....comfy? as PS
[08:43] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: oh yeah, and way more secure.
[08:43] <kalorin> yeah yahoo messneger's linux version depends on stuff so old that it's dependency packages aren't even named that anymore
[08:43] <N6REJ> I'll have to talk to my mom and have her talk to my cousin who work at disney.
[08:43] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: Yeah as I understand it people who invest in PS invest HEAVILY in PS
[08:43] <DaSkreech_> hard to de-trench them
[08:43] <mikey> yup
[08:43] <DaSkreech_> kalorin: and doesn't support VV
[08:44] <N6REJ> yep.... Its like having a maserati and then being asked to drive a jaguar.
[08:44] <kalorin> well you get used to your tools
[08:44] <kalorin> and it costs you too much time to learn new/different tools that do the same things
[08:45] <N6REJ> there is gimpshop, but I have'nt been successful in getting that fully installed.
[08:45] <kalorin> which largely is the reason that windows -> linux switch is so hard for most folks
[08:45] <N6REJ> kalorin: I agree.  I need to make flash files often, and so far haven't found a good way to do that in *nix
[08:45] <mikey> gimpshop?
[08:45] <N6REJ> kalorin: that is the biggest reason for me.
[08:45] <kalorin> N6REJ: it's called vmware
[08:45] <DaSkreech_> mikey: gimp with the Photoshop Shortcut keys
[08:45] <N6REJ> kalorin: is vmware finally mature?
[08:45] <kalorin> or really xen
[08:46] <mikey> ahh
[08:46] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: or Xen on a virtualized proc
[08:46] <kalorin> it works great for me with photoshop
[08:46] <kalorin> vmware server is now freeware
[08:46] <N6REJ> kalorin: way cool!, how about swish?
[08:46] <kalorin> and super easy to install/configure
[08:46] <kalorin> swish?
[08:46] <N6REJ> its a flash creator/editor
[08:46] <kalorin> i have an xp instance on my box here that's got 50gb
[08:46] <kalorin> oh no idea
[08:46] <kalorin> i don't do anything flash
[08:47] <kalorin> it's one of those things I want to learn about later after I finish my degree
[08:47] <N6REJ> is the vmware server in the repos?
[08:47] <kalorin> right now I have way too much stupid finance and quantative methods homework to mess iwth new stuff
[08:47] <kalorin> nah, vmware.com
[08:47] <N6REJ> cc
[08:47] <kalorin> download the server, register for a key, enjoy
[08:47] <kalorin> I installed the whole mess in /home/vmware
[08:47] <kalorin> and just configged it that way
[08:47] <N6REJ> kalorin: you can have quantuam physics.  I'll stick to my electrons LOL
[08:47] <kalorin> so it's out of the way and not messing with things
[08:47] <N6REJ> sweet!
[08:48] <kalorin> quantative methods is business decisions stuff
[08:48] <kalorin> is it better to choose A or B
[08:48] <kalorin> in other words, the formal study of what smart folks just know how to do intuitively
[08:48] <N6REJ> kalorin: OH!!!! that I could use, but would likely lose the rest of my hair.
[08:48] <kalorin> it's amamzing that they can write whole books on naming common sense practices and make money at it
[08:49] <kalorin> actually, amazing and bothersome at the same time
[08:49] <mikey> ain't that called psychology?
[08:49] <N6REJ> lol uh huh.... All I know is I've always been gifted with understanding digital circuits.
[08:49] <kalorin> taking the class is like suffocation
[08:49] <Jucato> !offtopic
[08:49] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:49] <kalorin> heh
[08:49] <mikey> ;)
[08:50] <jtt> oh oh the police have arrived
[08:50] <kalorin> ok so where would I look for orphaned kernel modules?
[08:50] <Jucato> yes. the police is here
[08:50] <kalorin> speccifically stuff related to fglrx drivers
[08:50] <abortd> jtt, that sucks when that happens
[08:50] <Jucato> (should be "are", but seeing as I'm only one)
[08:50] <tinyx> OK.
[08:50] <tinyx> Beryl, how exactly do I get it to work
[08:50] <tinyx> !beryl
[08:50] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:50] <flaccid> you are usually the only 'police' guy Jucato :p
[08:51] <N0Lif3|lappy> Where is my .rtorrent.rc file? shouldn't be at /home/myname/? I realize it would be hidden, but still "sudo kwrite /home/myname/.rtorrent.rc" creates a blank file.
[08:51] <N6REJ> just made perfect sense, till they started trying to tell me it was actually ABC, not XYZ, then I went HUH????  I was doing algebra heavily at 11 years old, but nobody ever told me it was algebra, then in college they started teaching us advanced algebra and I almost failed until someone had me tell them how to program and then said, "thats algebra" simple substitution(sp?)... it was like all the stars lit up at once.
[08:51] <DaSkreech_> flaccid: not true
[08:51] <jtt> kalorin: what do you mean orphan
[08:51] <abortd> tinyx, #beryl #ubuntu-effects
[08:51] <DaSkreech_> flaccid: he just gives warning
[08:51] <flaccid> yeah thus my :p
[08:51] <flaccid> im just teasing
[08:51] <Jucato> flaccid: you're lucky DaSkreech_ isn't one of us yet :P
[08:51] <kalorin> jtt well I have this message saying that I have a module that's getting in the way of the settings for monitors and devices
[08:52] <Jucato> anyway, back to work...
[08:52] <DaSkreech_> flaccid: Hear hear!
[08:52] <flaccid> and what are we heheheh
[08:52] <kalorin> N6REJ: that's cool
[08:52] <flaccid> i'm a complete tool
[08:52] <DaSkreech_> ploice
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> moin Ju
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> err Jucato...haha
[08:52] <DaSkreech_> Hey Admiral_Chicago
[08:52] <flaccid> as you guys have noticed since i moved to pcbsd
[08:52] <Jucato> moin Ad :D
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there DaSkreech_
[08:52] <N6REJ> flaccid: do me a favor... go to www.joomla.com and tell me if you see a big picture on the right and a smaller one mid screen on the left that says joomla 1.0.12 & 1.5 beta?
[08:52] <jtt> kalorin: when you issue what command?
[08:52] <N6REJ> kalorin: thanks.  Was just a gift
[08:53] <N6REJ> evening Admiral_Chicago
[08:53] <kalorin> it specifically says that either an error occurred during my last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module or I have old third party modules lyin around
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> morning N6REJ
[08:53] <kalorin> when use the GUI system settings thing and enter the monitor and displays area
[08:53] <mackyman> Does anyone know of a CLI torrent-program?
[08:53] <N6REJ> kalorin: sudo apt-get update -f if I'm not mistaken
[08:53] <jtt> kalorin: ooooooK  kde land  i feel for you but cant reach you!!
[08:54] <N6REJ> kalorin: no thats wrong... sudo apt-get upgrade -f
[08:54] <N6REJ> lol @jtt
[08:54] <flaccid> N6REJ: i dont think i do. that site is weird.
[08:54] <N6REJ> flaccid: its only in *nix that I have a problem... this is strange.
[08:54] <DaSkreech_> mackyman: How about torrent
[08:54] <flaccid> N6REJ: they should learn html/css
[08:55] <N6REJ> flaccid: 1.5 will fix all that.
[08:55] <DaSkreech_> mackyman: I think the right name is bttorrent-headless
[08:55] <kalorin> jtt
[08:55] <flaccid> N6REJ: 1.5 what?
[08:55] <jtt> kalorin: N6REJ  kde is one of those areas I take what is stable
[08:55] <mackyman> DaSkreech_: Thx, I shall check it out
[08:55] <N6REJ> jtt: I hear ya.
[08:55] <kalorin> I don't expect it's really a KDE issue so much as something else that KDE Is complaining about
[08:55] <flaccid> mackyman: bittorrent
[08:55] <kalorin> I've had a mess of a time getting the ATI drivers installed and finally have them stable
[08:55] <jtt> kalorin: yes possible
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> mackyman: rtorrent would work
[08:56] <N6REJ> flaccid: joomla 1.5 will be almost 100% html/css compliant.  Its being totally rewritten.
[08:56] <kalorin> and I suspect it's some leftovers from either the older ATI drivers, or the xorg free drivers
[08:56] <flaccid> N6REJ: thats good to hear. by you?
[08:56] <mikey> how to get a server list in this irc client?
[08:56] <N6REJ> flaccid: dynamic data is always difficult to make fully compliant.  No, I just use it heavily.
[08:57] <jtt> kalorin: yup imagine you are correct
[08:57] <abortd> mikey, what client?
[08:57] <mikey> konversation
[08:57] <N6REJ> kalorin: if you got a file that didn't finish properly -f should fix it.
[08:57] <abortd> did you try the menu buttons?
[08:57] <Jucato> mikey: there's no pre-made server list on Konversation
[08:57] <N6REJ> kalorin: I've had it happen before.
[08:57] <flaccid> N6REJ: not for good developers
[08:57] <Jucato> you have to add your own
[08:57] <mikey> not that I can find
[08:57] <kalorin> hrms.. well it's doing an apt-get upgrade -f
[08:58] <abortd> go to the servers status window and right click it
[08:58] <kalorin> this looks lik it's pulling a lot of stuff
[08:58] <mackyman_> flaccid: bittorrent seems nice =) Thx
[08:58] <jtt> N6REJ: do you just execute   apt-get  upgrade -f    w/no package name
[08:58] <kalorin> yeah
[08:58] <kalorin> heh
[08:58] <N6REJ> flaccid: I don't know.  for example, there is a menu ( d-tree ) style that is mostly not used....
[08:58] <N6REJ> jtt:  yeah
[08:58] <flaccid> mackyman: np
[08:58] <kalorin> goin g to feisty?
[08:58] <mikey> jucato: ty
[08:59] <kalorin> oh it picked up libgdk-pixbuf2 and libqt3 and some other kde libs
[08:59] <kalorin> nice
[08:59] <jtt> N6REJ: and it upgrades everything not just broken links?
[08:59] <flaccid> N6REJ: i'm not sure what you are referring to. but yeah i have no problem with dynamic data. just needs to be html encoded