[05:45] <nik_> not that
[05:45] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm: Hmm ok let me go over the primamry and logical partions again
[05:45] <HymnToLife> WiglyWorm, nope, it should be hda*
[05:45] <WiglyWorm> Gah what?
[05:46] <DaSkreech> HymnToLife: Nope hdb is right
[05:46] <WiglyWorm> Slave drive = hrb?
[05:46] <WiglyWorm> Okay, good.
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Right
[05:46] <HymnToLife> hdb is the pri slave
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Right
[05:46] <WiglyWorm> That's what he asked.
[05:46] <HymnToLife> but what the heck with the number ?
[05:46] <WiglyWorm> And I guess the partitions are about where I blanked out.
[05:46] <HymnToLife> you can have it called hdb564 if you want
[05:46] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm: you know the differnce between primary and logical partions right?
[05:46] <WiglyWorm> yes.
[05:47] <DaSkreech> ok hda1-4 is primary
[05:47] <HymnToLife> hmm, not that high maybe but relly the number is not important
[05:47] <DaSkreech> the first logical has to be 5
[05:47] <WiglyWorm> Ohhhhh okay.
[05:47] <DaSkreech> the second has to be 6
[05:47] <DaSkreech> etc
[05:47] <WiglyWorm> Right.
[05:47] <HymnToLife> DaSkreech, not necessarily
[05:47] <Dr_willis> hda1-4 could be 'extended' the first logical In an extended would be 5 and up.
[05:47] <DaSkreech> HymnToLife: By default :-P and order makes life good
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: An extended is just a priamry with a single purpose
[05:48] <DaSkreech> still a primary
[05:48] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm: so what's the answer to the second question I asked before?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> but i do belive most of the disk partitiong tools dont call them that way.
[05:49] <WiglyWorm> The question was the second logical on the primary slave, yeah?
[05:49] <Dr_willis> ive tryed to mount hda4 when i ment hda5 way tooo many times.. :)
[05:49] <WiglyWorm> That'd be hdb6...
[05:49] <HymnToLife> ow, the source for Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> is 35 MB
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Yay! :)
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Alright
[05:49] <WiglyWorm> Okay.
[05:50] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm, soulrider: moving forward?
[05:50] <soulrider> sure
[05:50] <WiglyWorm> I'm down/.
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Alright. to get the info from the device into the / system you have to mount it
[05:50] <soulrider> im gonna make a sandwich though so make long sentences so i dont have to scroll up... plix =d
[05:51] <DaSkreech> You can only mount it under / but you can do mount a device to any folder under / (or subfolder) that you want to
[05:51] <DaSkreech> so if you make some folder then type sudo mount /dev/hd<devicedetails> </path/to/folder>
[05:52] <DaSkreech> You can ls the folder and see what is on the partition/drive :)
[05:52] <HymnToLife> all right, going to bed, I'll let the damned FF thingie compile by itself
[05:52] <HymnToLife> 'night guys
[05:52] <DaSkreech> Night
[05:52] <JAAmon> CENTRAL RINGER
[05:53] <DaSkreech> Hi Morbo
[05:53] <Morbo> Hello :)
[05:54] <nik_> !FF
[05:54] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[05:54] <nik_> lol
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Morbo: Where did you get the name from?
[05:54] <nik_> actualy lmfao i knew that
[05:54] <Morbo> Futurama, DaSkreech
[05:54] <DaSkreech> nik_: Toss in a S and see what it does
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Kittens DO give Morbo gas!
[05:54] <nik_> ?!FFS
[05:54] <nik_> !FFS
[05:54] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:54] <nik_> lol
[05:55] <nik_> i meant final fantasy seven, really......
[05:55] <nik_> so does anyone use the HSF linuxant drivers?
[05:56] <nik_> or how bout win4linpro
[05:56] <DaSkreech> nik_: #ubuntu would probably get faster responses
[05:56] <HymnToLife> nik_, build yourself a nice hardware modem, it would be cheaper than the Linuxant drivers anyway :p
[05:56] <nik_> how much are they?
[05:57] <nik_> i didnt even bother to look at the price
[05:57] <HymnToLife> about 20 bucks IIRC
[05:57] <nik_> lol
[05:57] <nik_> im such a cheap bastard id rather pir8 them
[05:57] <nik_> or hack thier server and d/l them and put em on rapidshare
[05:58] <nik_> lol
[05:58] <nik_> i wish i knew about linux when i bought this dang laptop
[05:58] <nik_> at least i got my wireless to work, so i connect my xp puter and then use net wireless on my laptop
[05:59] <nik_> and hotspots for big d/ls
[05:59] <WiglyWorm> Skreech, so conceptually here.. if I want to look at any device other than the drive that Linux is natively installed on, I have to mount it?
[05:59] <nik_> well, im outa here, yes wiglyworm
[05:59] <nik_> l8tr all
[05:59] <soulrider> yes WiglyWorm
[05:59] <WiglyWorm> right...
[05:59] <HymnToLife> WiglyWorm, no, but if you want to access the files on it, yes
[05:59] <WiglyWorm> Okay.
[06:00] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm: You can set it to auto mount on boot
[06:00] <HymnToLife> you can have it mounter automagically at boot time though
[06:00] <DaSkreech> But before then it doesn't know where to go
[06:00] <HymnToLife> mounted*
[06:00] <WiglyWorm> I see.
[06:00] <nik_> hymntolife so he can set the usb stick on his table and "look" at it all he wants eh?
[06:01] <HymnToLife> exactly :p
[06:01] <HymnToLife> usb sticks sure look nice nowadays
[06:01] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm: Want to see your stuff quick now?
[06:01] <nik_> lol
[06:01] <nik_> hasta minana
[06:02] <WiglyWorm> Yes, yes I would, in fact.
[06:03] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm: Still in konsole?
[06:03] <WiglyWorm> aye
[06:03] <DaSkreech> type pwd
[06:03] <DaSkreech> where are you ?
[06:03] <DaSkreech> pwd = print working directory
[06:03] <soulrider> jaja
[06:03] <WiglyWorm> I'm in my /home/chris/
[06:03] <soulrider> oops, wrong window
[06:04] <robnyc> how do I add music to my ipod using amarok ?
[06:04] <HymnToLife> !ipod | robnyc
[06:04] <ubotu> robnyc: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[06:04] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm: alright make a direcoty
[06:04] <DaSkreech>  mkdir <dirname>
[06:04] <robnyc> ty hybrid
[06:04] <robnyc> HymnToLife, *
[06:04] <DaSkreech> then sudo mount /dev/hd<ntfsdrive> <dirname>
[06:05] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm: Let me know when you are done with that
[06:05] <WiglyWorm> full path for <dirname>?
[06:05] <WiglyWorm> or just relative to my working directory?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm: Nope
[06:05] <DaSkreech> It's relative
[06:06] <WiglyWorm> k
[06:06] <DaSkreech>  if it doesn't have a / then it's relative to where you are
[06:08] <WiglyWorm> I'm sorry, is that "/dev/hd/hdb1" or just /dev/hdb1?
[06:08] <Morbo> /dev/hdb1
[06:09] <phobiac> Night
[06:09] <notech> WiglyWorm:  hdb is primary slave and the 1 means the first partition
[06:10] <WiglyWorm> Man... I really wish the console gave feedback to your commands....
[06:10] <WiglyWorm> But I suppose since I got nothing, I'm good to go?
[06:10] <notech> yes
[06:10] <notech> noo feedback is a good thing, means no error
[06:10] <WiglyWorm> heh... not enough permission ftw.
[06:11] <Morbo> WiglyWorm- did you remember the sudo ?
[06:11] <WiglyWorm> I love how secure linux is... it won't let even the only user of the computer do a thing without retyping the password a bajillion times.
[06:11] <WiglyWorm> Yeah, I mounted it, I tried to look at it in Konquerer. :)
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Did you get it?
[06:12] <WiglyWorm> No, it said I didn't have permission. :)
[06:12] <DaSkreech> excellent :)
[06:12] <robnyc> im having problems with amarok + ipod
[06:12] <robnyc> it wont read it
[06:12] <DaSkreech> alt+F2 -> kdesu konqueror /home/chris
[06:14] <WiglyWorm> a) what does kdesu do? b) how come it used to look like a drive but now looks like a folder with nothing in it?
[06:14] <Jucato> !kdesu
[06:14] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:14] <Dr_willis> eitehr its not mounted, or you dont have permissions to acces it.
[06:14] <DaSkreech> I think it is mounted
[06:15] <Dr_willis> check it out with the shell
[06:15] <dennister> hi pps :)
[06:15] <Dr_willis> sudo mount  -----> should show whats mounted where
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: actually just mount should show that as well
[06:15] <Dr_willis> actually just 'mount' may work. :)
[06:15] <DaSkreech> I just said that!!
[06:15] <Dr_willis> :P
[06:15] <DaSkreech> :-P
[06:15] <Dr_willis> no ya dident.. you echoed me
[06:15] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:15] <DaSkreech> echo -n
[06:16] <WiglyWorm> all it has in it is a folder called "System Volume Information"... maybe I targeted the wrong partition...
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Maybe
[06:17] <dennister> OpenOffice question: it's help says versioning of a document is to be found under File--->Versions, yet I can't see any "Versions" under the File menu...what gives?
[06:17] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm: sudo umount <dirname>
[06:17] <WiglyWorm> command not found.
[06:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:17] <shinigami> Hi DaSkreech.. i realise that i cannot play mp3 from amarok while i play videos from mplayer.. is there a fix for this?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> playing a song while watching a movie....
[06:18] <DaSkreech> shinigami: Umm You want to make your own soundtrack to movies? :)
[06:18] <shinigami> haha
[06:18] <shinigami> nono ok actually i'm a media analyst
[06:18] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm: not uNmount just umount
[06:18] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  perhaps hes playing that PinkFloyd album whikle watching the wizard of oz.
[06:18] <WiglyWorm> Oh well... my brain is beginning to smell a bit like an electrical fire.... I think it's best I take a break from this for the night, come at it tomorrow.
[06:18] <shinigami> at work i need to do media analyst ..but when i play mp3 at the same time..u know..i think it clash
[06:18] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm: possibly the worst named command in Unix
[06:18] <shinigami> i tried..like using wine to run warcraft..amarok also doesn't work
[06:19] <DaSkreech> though some might argue for finger....
[06:19] <shinigami> think ther'es a conflict with the alsa/oss?
[06:19] <Jucato> oooh an angel of death appears...
[06:19] <DaSkreech> most likely
[06:19] <shinigami> haha..yea death god
[06:19] <Jucato> !mp3 | shinigami
[06:19] <ubotu> shinigami: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:19] <shinigami> watched deathnote?
[06:19] <Jucato> nope :P
[06:19] <WiglyWorm> Okay guys... have a good nigt. You'll be seeing alot more of me, I'm sure.
[06:19] <WiglyWorm> And putting up with my newbie antics as well, I'm sure.
[06:20] <Dr_willis> It pays to have a nice sound card to do what you are wanting to do shinigami
[06:20] <DaSkreech> WiglyWorm: night
[06:21] <shinigami> what does nice sound card have to do with multi tasking the programs that uses my soundcard?
[06:21] <dwidmann> exactly.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> lets put it this way - i have a creative audigy card.. and i have NO problems doing what you are wanting to do.
[06:22] <Dr_willis> hardware mixing vs software mixing.
[06:22] <dwidmann> hardware mixing > software mixing
[06:22] <Dr_willis> i see constantly people in here wanting to play more then 1 audio source/stream at a time with lowend/builtin cards.. and they have huge hassles with it.
[06:22] <shinigami> k i'm not doing mixing..err i'm just.. you know.. playing a game that uses my sound card..and in background playing a mp3 too
[06:23] <shinigami> windows can do that
[06:23] <dwidmann> Doc, I've got a builtin and have no problems with it :) ... granted, it's very, very nice for builtin
[06:23] <Dr_willis> shinigami,  if every program uses ALSA properly - then the linux apps should be able to do it also.
[06:24] <Dr_willis> but often its oss vs alsa  or some sound server fighting with some other sound server thats the issue as well.
[06:24] <dwidmann> A unified method of implementing sound would be nice ....
[06:24] <Dr_willis> sound issues used to be a lot worse then they are now. :)
[06:24] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  yep. alsa is slowly  getting there.
[06:24] <dwidmann> tell me about it
[06:25] <dwidmann> even just a couple years ago sound was in ugly shape
[06:25] <Dr_willis> 'sound blaster comaptiable' :)
[06:25] <shinigami> does it applies to nas? my mplayer is streaming video from server..audio using nas.. amarok i guess its autodetecting..i'll try to force it to use alsa
[06:26] <Dr_willis> its best to set everything   up to use alsa
[06:26] <Dr_willis> if you can.
[06:26] <dwidmann> to force mplayer to use alsa, use the "-ao alsa" switch
[06:26] <Dr_willis> yea mplayer may be the one causing the problems
[06:27] <shinigami> yeah..sigh..but the application in my company forces it to use -ao nas.. need to edit the scripts to do that..troublesomee........
[06:28] <Dr_willis> cant say that ive ever used 'nas' for audio.
[06:28] <Dr_willis> so cant tell ya anything about it
[06:28] <shinigami> what's the command to see what programs are using my devices?
[06:28] <Dr_willis> lsof - perhaps
[06:28] <dwidmann> fuser perhaps?
[06:30] <dwidmann> doc, you wouldn't happen to know anything about lvm would you?
[06:31] <shinigami> fuser /dev/audio ?
[06:31] <dwidmann> shinigami, I suppose so
[06:33] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  i know enough to avoide it. :) for my minimal needs.
[06:33] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[06:34] <dwidmann> my needs are somewhat minimal as well, I just like to experiment. A lot.
[06:34] <shinigami> why do i keep getting localhost kernel: [17192683.784000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading brightness in my /var/log/messages on my sony vaio laptop? and sometimes the "Adjusting brightness" screen pop out for 1-2 sec and disappear
[06:34] <shinigami> new installation of kubuntu
[06:34] <dwidmann> The idea of having one partition across two of my disks just sounds too appealing to pass up.
[06:35] <dwidmann> shinigami, the acpi on your ?laptop? is probably buggy?
[06:38] <shinigami> what should i do?
[06:39] <Jucato> summon the 4 gods...
[06:42] <dwidmann> shinigami, you should most definitely complain to the manufacturer, though it probably won't do you any good.
[06:42] <Jucato> :O
[06:42] <Mez> :P
[06:42] <Jucato> lol
[06:43] <Jucato> gr...
[06:43] <dwidmann> hahahaha
[06:43] <shinigami> haha
[06:44] <shinigami> i have two of this sony vaios laptop..both same problem after installing kubuntu.. i was thinking any drivers would help?
[06:44] <shinigami> but i not sure what kind of drivers i should get
[06:44] <dwidmann> shinigami, I wouldn't count on it
[06:46] <shinigami> here's another question.. can i choose my kernal during installation of kubuntu? i need it to support duel-core cpu...
[06:46] <Jucato> umm nope...
[06:46] <Jucato> but the generic kernel supports that too afaik
[06:46] <juano__> shinigami: you would need x86_64 cds
[06:46] <Dr_willis> with new laptops - often theres lots of little 'bugs' with the kernel/apci/other features  and their bios's
[06:46] <Jucato> !generic | shinigami
[06:46] <ubotu> shinigami: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[06:47] <Jucato> oh.. heh didn't know about the x86_64 cds...
[06:47] <shinigami> how do i reconfigure my kernal then? i need the source for my kernal to make menuconfig>?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Night all!
[06:47] <dwidmann> night DaSkreech
[06:47] <shinigami> 64 means..dual core?
[06:48] <Dr_willis> 64 dosent mean dual core. it means 64bit cpu. :)
[06:48] <avalon_> I'm having a problem with drive encryption. I want to encrypt two hard drives that I have already chock full of data. All the information I find needs the data to be formatted. Is there a compression system that doesn't need to format my drives?
[06:48] <shinigami> hmm but is dual core a 64bit?
[06:48] <shinigami> i think its 32
[06:51] <shinigami> ok..just tell me what kernal should i change into for a dual core? 686-smp ? 386? *confused*
[06:52] <dwidmann> shinigami, are you using dapper or edgy?
[06:52] <Jucato> hm.. didn't get an answer to my last question... is SMP dual core?
[06:52] <dwidmann> smp = symetric multi-processing, or something like that
[06:53] <Morbo> SMP = multicore
[06:53] <Morbo> or multiproc
[06:53] <Jucato> ah.. because I think the -generic kernel has support for that...
[06:53] <dwidmann> It does
[06:53] <Jucato>  2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:53] <Morbo> Yeah
[06:54] <dwidmann> if you're using dapper, you want something like 686-smp or k7-smp, if you're using edgy you want the -generic
[06:55] <shahid> anyone here?
[06:57] <shinigami> ok i'm using dapper
[06:57] <mefisto__> I just lost access to hard disk (konq said disk was read-only) so I rebooted. On reboot, it told me to do fsck. fsck fixed a lot of things. After that, I rebooted again, but cannot logon. X seems to restart and takes me back to the login screen. What can I do?
[06:57] <shinigami> so i get 686-smp ? i have to download the kernal and recompile the kernel? (i hate doing this step)
[06:58] <dwidmann> shinigami, just install the "linux-686" package
[06:58] <shahid> i'd
[06:58] <shahid> woops
[06:58] <shahid> sorry
[06:59] <dwidmann> or maybe th e linux-686-smp pacakge
[06:59] <dwidmann> when I was on dapper I used 64-bit ... and fortunately all of the 64-bit kernels had smp support :)
[07:01] <shinigami> does that mean i don't need to recompile my kernal? hehe
[07:01] <dwidmann> shinigami, no. Installing that package is all you need to do.
[07:01] <shinigami> so its just as easy as apt-get install linux-686-smp ?
[07:01] <dwidmann> yep.
[07:02] <shinigami> ok i'll try this at home..when i get a hold with the laptop
[07:02] <dwidmann> then reboot and it should be an option.
[07:02] <shinigami> wait..option?
[07:02] <shinigami> i cat /proc/cpuinfo or top i should be acble to see 2 cpus rite?
[07:02] <dwidmann> indeed.
[07:03] <mefisto__> I just lost access to hard disk (konq said disk was read-only) so I rebooted. On reboot, it told me to do fsck. fsck fixed a lot of things. After that, I rebooted again, but cannot logon. X seems to restart and takes me back to the login screen. What can I do?
[07:04] <shinigami> oh..when u say option i thought i have to do some other steps after installing the package
[07:04] <mefisto__> can someone help me solve my logon problem?
[07:04] <dwidmann> No, it'll just be added to your grub's menu.lst, shinigami
[07:04] <dwidmann> mefiesto__: more than likely
[07:05] <mefisto__> WILL someone help me solve my logon problem?
[07:06] <dwidmann> Why not state the problem, rather than asking that?
[07:06] <mefisto__> dwidmann: I did
[07:07] <dwidmann> you did?
[07:07] <mefisto__> I just lost access to hard disk (konq said disk was read-only) so I rebooted. On reboot, it told me to do fsck. fsck fixed a lot of things. After that, I rebooted again, but cannot logon. X seems to restart and takes me back to the login screen. What can I do?
[07:07] <dwidmann> oh, there it is, all the way up there
[07:07] <dwidmann> mefiesto: do a console login from kdm, log in, then run the command "startx"
[07:08] <dwidmann> it will probably give an error message of some sort.
[07:09] <mefisto__> I did that, but it won't work, just keeps coming back to the login screen.
[07:09] <dwidmann> it won't let you do a console login?
[07:10] <mefisto__> no, after startx, it goes to kubuntu login screen
[07:11] <dwidmann> okay, mefiesto, I've got an idea, press "ctrl + alt + f1" to get to the terminal, log in, type "sudo killall kdm", then do "startx", it won't have a login screen to fall back to
[07:12] <xenophile7x7> does anyone know a good games package, like the one in gnome, for KDE?
[07:12] <shinigami> [14:04]  <dwidmann> No, it'll just be added to your grub's menu.lst, shinigami <-- does that means its installing a new kernal?
[07:12] <mefisto__> dwidmann: and this is just to get the error messages, or will this hopefully successfully log me in?
[07:13] <shinigami> instead of reconfiguring the current one?
[07:13] <dwidmann> mefiesto: just to get error messages
[07:13] <dwidmann> shinigami: installing the package is to install a new kernel
[07:34] <mefisto__> who was it that was helping me with my login problem?
[07:37] <mefisto__> dwidmann: was it you who was trying to help me?
[07:39] <mefisto__> dwidmann: are you still around?
[07:40] <regeya> gah.  apparently my "problem" with firefox and qtcurve was fixed in a later release.  that's what I get for installing software from source then slacking on updating. :->
[07:41] <mefisto__> I cannot log in. after login, screen goes blank and takes me back to the login screen
[07:42] <mortici> whats a good p2p app?
[07:42] <mefisto__> mortici: ktorrent is pretty good
[07:43] <mefisto__> mortici: amule (if you've used emule/edonkey)
[07:43] <mortici> :/ never had much luck with those apps, the emule
[07:44] <mefisto__> mortici: try ktorrent, is should already be installed
[07:46] <mefisto__> Can someone help with this: I cannot log in. after login, screen goes blank and takes me back to the login screen
[07:46] <jordo23> Jucato: Hey.....how's it going?
[07:47] <noiesmo> mefisto__, did you do an upgrade and  then the problem occured?
[07:48] <mefisto__> noiesmo: no, I somehow lost access to hard disk (konq said disk was read-only) so I rebooted.
[07:48] <mefisto__> then the boot process said I should do fsck. After that I rebooted again, an couldn't log in
[07:48] <noiesmo> mefisto__, O check how much disk space is left
[07:49] <noiesmo> mefisto__, go to recovery console to check
[07:49] <mefisto__> noiesmo: how do I check. what command?
[07:49] <noiesmo> df -h
[07:49] <noiesmo> mefisto__, ^^
[07:50] <mefisto__> noiesmo: and temp files are in /tmp right?
[07:50] <noiesmo> mefisto__, I would expect so - apt holds files in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:52] <dwidmann> mefisto, so, what were your results, did startx get you any errors?
[07:52] <noiesmo> mefisto__, the other option you have is to boot livecd and then do the fsck on the drive while not mounted
[07:53] <mefisto__> dwidmann: I got a long list scroll by, then went blank, then back to console.
[07:53] <noiesmo> mefisto__, did ou still have drive space
[07:54] <addyk> Hello every... body :D
[07:54] <mefisto__> I'll try to clear some space on disk. Hopefully that will solve my problem (cause that would be simple :P)
[07:54] <dwidmann> mefisto, what video driver do you use? I do know there was an xorg update recently which would break X ....
[07:54] <dwidmann> (if you were using certain drivers, that is)
[07:55] <noiesmo> dwidmann, mefisto__ didnt do updates I asked him
[07:55] <mefisto__> dwidmann: I got the xorg update a few days ago, but everything was fine
[07:55] <dwidmann> had you rebooted since the updates?
[07:55] <mefisto__> yes
[07:55] <MobsterLobster> hey all
[07:56] <jean-b> hello ther
[07:56] <dwidmann> mefisto__, how much space did df say you had left?
[07:56] <MobsterLobster> what is the most current X?
[07:57] <mefisto__> I'm on livecd. Can I check that now, or do I need to use recovery mode?
[07:57] <noiesmo> mefisto__, ok mount the hdd in question then yoou will see
[07:57] <dwidmann> the version of X in edgy is 7.1, I think there might be a 7.2, can't remember
[07:58] <MobsterLobster> so the version 6.9 in solaris 10 is old?
[07:58] <dwidmann> quite
[07:58] <dwidmann> hmm, looks like 7.1 is current
[07:58] <addyk> (x.X) I wonder what came with slackware
[07:58] <noiesmo> mefisto__, open cosole and type mount /dev/hdaX /mnt/hdaX repace X with drive if not maybe /dev/sda
[07:59] <Rossco> Hay
[07:59] <Rossco> HAY GUYZ LOLSZ
[07:59] <addyk> Aloha! :)
[07:59] <Rossco> I need some helps
[07:59] <MobsterLobster> i know this is the wrong place to ask but can update ur X in solaris and is KDE installable on Solaris?
[07:59] <dwidmann> 6.9 was released in late 2005? I think?
[07:59] <Rossco> I just installed ubuntu kay?
[07:59] <mefisto__> noiesmo: can I do that on livecd?
[07:59] <Rossco> and I'm trying to install some software
[07:59] <noiesmo> mefisto__, yes
[07:59] <Rossco> can someone help ms?
[07:59] <Rossco> me*
[08:00] <noiesmo> mefisto__, open a terminal
[08:00] <addyk> Rossco: OK :) use Synaptic
[08:00] <dwidmann> MonsterLobster, yes, and yes. How to do so I'm not sure though.
[08:00] <mefisto__> noiesmo: can't find it in fstab
[08:00] <Rossco> addyk
[08:00] <addyk> Rossco: you should have it installed :)
[08:00] <Rossco> I type in gaim-xfire-0.6.0-1.5.0.FC4.0.i386.rpm
[08:00] <noiesmo> mefisto__, thats ok its not mounted
[08:00] <Rossco> wait
[08:00] <Rossco> I type in
[08:00] <MobsterLobster> does solaris have a equivilant of apt?
[08:00] <noiesmo> mefisto__, do you have normal ide drive
[08:00] <mefisto__> noiesmo: so how do I mount it?
[08:00] <Rossco> apt-get install gaim-xfire-0.6.0-1.5.0.FC4.0.i386.rpm
[08:00] <mefisto__> yes, ide
[08:01] <Rossco> is what I typed in
[08:01] <noiesmo> mefisto__, type mount /dev/hdaX /mnt/hdaX
[08:01] <Rossco> how do I tell it which directory to go to?
[08:01] <addyk> OK :)
[08:01] <Rossco> it's in /tmp/
[08:01] <noiesmo> mefisto__, replace X with partition number
[08:01] <addyk> You don't
[08:01] <addyk> It just installes it
[08:01] <addyk> Systemwide
[08:01] <Rossco> I mean
[08:01] <xenophile7x7> can someone do a quick whois on me, and post the results in pm?
[08:01] <firecrotc1> Rossco: you cannot install RPMs that way
[08:01] <addyk> You then can make a link to gaim
[08:01] <dwidmann> MobsterLobster: dunno
[08:01] <Rossco> How do I install it then?
[08:02] <Rossco> the .rpm file is in tmp
[08:02] <addyk> It might be allready installed
[08:02] <addyk> open console
[08:02] <addyk> and typt gaim
[08:02] <addyk> *type
[08:02] <MobsterLobster> ok Sun is doing a shipit of sun 10 so im thinking of using for a server
[08:02] <noiesmo> mefisto__, if you like you can reboot into recoverey mode on your system and then you could check df -h for space
[08:02] <noiesmo> mefisto__, the drive will be mounted for you
[08:02] <Rossco> I have gaim installed
[08:02] <Rossco> I'm trying to install an addon for it
[08:03] <MobsterLobster> *solaris 10
[08:03] <noiesmo> mefisto__, when your in recovery mode you can check the logs in /var/log/ as well
[08:03] <Rossco> I just wanna know how I install it
[08:03] <addyk> Oh... Well isn't it? installed? Hmm
[08:03] <noiesmo> mefisto__, but once you mount drive on licevd you can also do this
[08:03] <mefisto__> noiesmo: 121 mb free. but I've had less that that free with no problems
[08:03] <noiesmo> mefisto__, ok so its not space
[08:03] <noiesmo> mefisto__, check the logs n /var/log/
[08:04] <Rossco> C'mon
[08:04] <Rossco> I need someone to tell me how to install it
[08:04] <Rossco> Just, someone tell me how I install an RPM file
[08:04] <Rossco> that's all I need to know
[08:04] <Rossco> please
[08:04] <dwidmann> !alien
[08:04] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[08:04] <bartist> hello there
[08:04] <MobsterLobster> get the .deb
[08:05] <Rossco> ok
[08:05] <addyk> Wow... (o.O)
[08:05] <Rossco> what about tar.gz ?
[08:05] <addyk> I didn't know that...  :|
[08:05] <bartist> i have an Intel 82801CA-ICH3 soundcard that only works when it wants
[08:05] <addyk> That's a source in most cases
[08:05] <dwidmann> mefisto__: apt-get clean is a good way to free up space
[08:05] <xenophile7x7> hey dwid, can you do that whois one more time?
[08:05] <bartist> apt-get clean?? what does it do?
[08:06] <MobsterLobster> WTF my games arent loading
[08:06] <addyk> Rossco: that should work on all linuxes
[08:06] <noiesmo> bartist, remove files for cache of apt-get
[08:06] <dwidmann> apt-get clean clears out the /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:06] <addyk> In slackware (my system) that's what I use :)
[08:06] <bartist> ok thanx
[08:06] <bartist> i have an Intel 82801CA-ICH3 soundcard that only works when it wants, any idea?
[08:06] <MobsterLobster> how can i get my games to load?
[08:07] <addyk> MobsterLobster: which games?
[08:07] <gan|y|med> hi
[08:07] <Rossco> Is it possilbe to play windows games in linux? o_o
[08:07] <MobsterLobster> armagetron, neverball and never putt addyk
[08:08] <addyk> Rossco: yes
[08:08] <Rossco> like CS: S and stuff
[08:08] <MobsterLobster> use wine
[08:08] <addyk> With an emulator
[08:08] <Rossco> cost?
[08:08] <mefisto__> noiesmo: which logs should I check? xorg.0.log?
[08:08] <addyk> None
[08:08] <addyk> with wine
[08:08] <addyk> winex is the one that costs
[08:08] <MobsterLobster> addyk u got any ideas?
[08:08] <gan|y|med> can a broken root file system (reiserfs) cause a kernel panic?
[08:09] <noiesmo> mefisto__, yep
[08:09] <addyk> addyk: I'm thinking :)
[08:09] <noiesmo> mefisto__, also maybe messages and syslog
[08:09] <addyk> MobsterLobster: so the game runs and stops at loadscreen?
[08:10] <MobsterLobster> it says its loading in the task bar and the KDE logo jumps around but then it just dissapears
[08:10] <addyk> OK :) Open a console and type armagetron
[08:11] <addyk> And see if it shows any error messages
[08:11] <mefisto__> noiesmo: I don't really know what to look for
[08:11] <Rossco> Can someone please help me
[08:12] <MobsterLobster> Armagetron won't run on your computer
[08:12] <noiesmo> mefisto__, you still livcd
[08:12] <mefisto__> noiesmo: yes
[08:12] <MobsterLobster> Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[08:12] <Rossco> How do I enable direct rendering?
[08:12] <noiesmo> mefisto__, copy and paste to pastebin
[08:12] <noiesmo> !pastebin | mefisto__
[08:12] <ubotu> mefisto__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:12] <MobsterLobster> addyk looks like my 3d drivers aint working
[08:12] <mefisto__> noiesmo: which log do you want?
[08:13] <noiesmo> mefisto__, xorg first
[08:13] <addyk> MobsterLobster: That's what I'm thinking... you need a new open gl or something
[08:13] <addyk> :)
[08:13] <MobsterLobster> and how would i get that addyk?
[08:13] <Rossco> someone please help me
[08:13] <Rossco> rossco@rossco-desktop:~$ glxinfo | grep direct
[08:13] <Rossco> direct rendering: No
[08:13] <Rossco> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[08:13] <Rossco> How do I enable direct rendering?
[08:14] <addyk> MobsterLobster, Use google :) That's how I found it :)
[08:14] <shinigami> i need help on my sony vaio laptop...a pop up at the center of the screen keep coming up saying "LCD display 'ON'" randomly after about 30 secs etc.. i checked my /var/log/messages its filled with "[17180763.400000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading brightness".. new installation of kubutu dapper..help!
[08:14] <dwidmann> Rossco: you need to install a different video driver ...
[08:14] <Rossco> Ok
[08:14] <dwidmann> which one depends on your video card, Rossco
[08:14] <Rossco> And install the linux drivers?
[08:14] <Rossco> for my gfx card
[08:14] <addyk> Rossco, Search at the manufacturers site
[08:14] <Rossco> Ok
[08:15] <addyk> If nvidia nvidia.com :)
[08:15] <mefisto__> noiesmo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1921/
[08:15] <noiesmo> mefisto__, ok give me a minute
[08:15] <dwidmann> !ati
[08:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:15] <Rossco> ok
[08:15] <Rossco> ty
[08:16] <shinigami> dmesg show a whole list of [17180763.400000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading brightness.................
[08:16] <addyk> Argh... I really need to learn how to use that... (^_^) It's too cool dwidmann :)
[08:16] <shinigami> !acpi
[08:16] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[08:16] <noiesmo> mefisto__, please paste you gdm or kdm log file please
[08:17] <dwidmann> !randomness | addyk
[08:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about randomness - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:17] <dwidmann> There's a list
[08:17] <addyk> :))
[08:17] <addyk> Thanks! :D
[08:17] <addyk> Good morning! btw dwidmann
[08:18] <shinigami> i need help on my sony vaio laptop...a pop up at the center of the screen keep coming up saying "LCD display 'ON'" randomly after about 30 secs etc.. i checked my /var/log/messages its filled with "[17180763.400000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading brightness".. new installation of kubutu dapper..help!
[08:18] <mefisto__> noiesmo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1922/
[08:19] <dwidmann> yw addyk
[08:20] <addyk> yw? Don't know the acronim sorry :D
[08:20] <noiesmo> mefisto__, thats not gdm or kdm log
[08:20] <noiesmo> mefisto__, the xorg looks normal
[08:20] <dwidmann> You're welcome
[08:21] <addyk> OK :D It should have been easy to spot... :)) I must have a slow mind right now... :)
[08:22] <mefisto__> noiesmo: that's the contents of /var/log/kdm.log
[08:23] <shinigami> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:23] <shinigami>   build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or
[08:23] <shinigami>                             libc-dev
[08:23] <shinigami> what does it mean?
[08:24] <dwidmann> shinigami, means that something is wrong, perhaps you had the "updates" repository enabled, did an upgrade with it, and then turned it back off, or something similar. It usually comes down to something like that
[08:25] <bartist> i have an Intel 82801CA-ICH3 soundcard that only works when it wants, any idea?
[08:25] <shinigami> yes.. the sources.list i used was for edgy.. but i'm using dapper..
[08:26] <Ashex> anyone know of a dictionary client?
[08:26] <dwidmann> bartist, at which points does it work?
[08:26] <shinigami> so i revert back to dapper's sources.list ..now this happen
[08:26] <Ashex> I want to look up definitions for words locally without a web browser
[08:26] <stdin> dwidmann: I may be fuelled by coffee, but I'm not a mechanical being :P
[08:26] <bartist> well it works fine on: windows and ubuntu dapper
[08:26] <bartist> then i installed kubuntu edgy
[08:26] <dwidmann> hahahaha, and you get that message this many hours later stdin :D
[08:27] <noiesmo> mefisto__, ok i don't see anything there thats too odd hmmm
[08:27] <mefisto__> noiesmo: do you want to see any other log files?
[08:27] <stdin> dwidmann: I have logs :)
[08:27] <bartist> it worked a the beginning on Kedgy
[08:27] <mefisto__> syslog?
[08:27] <bartist> then it stopped working
[08:27] <dwidmann> Makes me wonder why you were looking for it though stdin, or what you were looking for, anyway.
[08:27] <bartist> usualy, it bugs after the sound server crashes
[08:28] <bartist> then I reinstalled my alsa packages from a fresh kernel, and it worked a few days
[08:28] <bartist> then the sound server crashed ...
[08:28] <bartist> and i could never fix it again
[08:28] <shinigami> what should i do?
[08:28] <bartist> now I have just re-installed Kedgy
[08:28] <stdin> dwidmann: konversation was flashing, but there was nothing on the screen, so I just search for my nick
[08:28] <bartist> bot it does not work
[08:28] <Rossco> HAY PAINLESS
[08:29] <bartist> any ideA?
[08:29] <addyk> Hehe... :) I have a question... and I don't know ho much is related to ubuntu/kubuntu, but... how do I make the mouse scroll work? Any Ideeas?
[08:29] <bartist> just turn the wheel buddy
[08:30] <dwidmann> shinigami, one sec, I'll see what I can pull together
[08:30] <addyk> (~_~) I'm not retarded... I know when it ain't working :)
[08:30] <bartist> just a bad joke addyk ;o)
[08:30] <shinigami> my other stations (without tweaking with the sources.list) can apt-get install build-essential
[08:30] <addyk> I know bartist :)
[08:30] <dwidmann> addyk, it should be something you set in your xorg.conf
[08:31] <bartist> dwidmann, any idea about my sound issue?
[08:31] <addyk> I got a hint just now... dwidmann  :)
[08:32] <noiesmo> mefisto__, sorry got ide track, I would prob do the fsck   /dev/hdaX but unmount first
[08:32] <dwidmann> bartist, no clue. To me alsa is a large black box, that I avoid having to know anything about out of the fear that my brain will catch on fire.
[08:32] <dwidmann> !paste | dwidmann
[08:32] <ubotu> dwidmann: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:32] <Rossco> Guys, I need some help with installing video card drivers
[08:32] <noiesmo> mefisto__, the logs look fairly normal nothing there I would say is causeing problem
[08:32] <Rossco> "
[08:32] <Rossco> #
[08:32] <Rossco> Find the appropriate module for your kernel. For example, if you have linux-image-amd64-k8 installed, then you should install linux-restricted-modules-amd64-k8. Selecting one will also install nvidia-kernel-common. (Note: you have to select the restricted modules first because the nvidia-glx package automatically installs the i386 one - and if you have a generic kernel image, the X will not work.)
[08:33] <Rossco> I dont hvae linux-image anything installed
[08:33] <Rossco> I dunno what do do
[08:34] <dwidmann> shinigami, I think it was, look at this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1923/ replace your sources.list with this, then do an update, an upgrade, then try to install build-essential again
[08:34] <stdin> Rossco: chat dose "uname -r" in konsole show ?
[08:34] <stdin> s/chat/what
[08:35] <Rossco> stdin: it shows 2.6.15-26-386
[08:36] <mefisto__> noiesmo: the command is fsck hdXX right?
[08:36] <maziah> ola
[08:36] <maziah> anyone know if there is a multithreadding package manager?
[08:37] <dwidmann> ??
[08:37] <dwidmann> what do you mean maziah, what are you seaking to have the package manager do?
[08:37] <shinigami> hi dwidmann.. mine is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1924/
[08:37] <stdin> Rossco: then you need to get "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26-386"
[08:37] <shinigami> take a look see if its alright
[08:37] <maziah> use multipule threads from a single source for a same file.
[08:37] <Rossco> Ok thanks
[08:38] <maziah> like a download manager.
[08:38] <jason_>  how I can use Chinese in Kubuntu ??
[08:39] <jason_> I can't add language in kubuntu.
[08:39] <dwidmann> shinigami, looks like it's missing dapper-updates universe (I don't think there is a dapper-updates multiverse, could be though)
[08:39] <mefisto__> noiesmo: the command is fsck hdXX right?
[08:39] <maziah> no idea?
[08:40] <dwidmann> wait, yes there is a dapper-updates multiverse, I'll be d***ed
[08:40] <jason_>  how I can use Chinese in Kubuntu ??
[08:40] <jason_> I can't add language in kubuntu.
[08:40] <dwidmann> is for dapper-security too o.O
[08:40] <Rossco> lol, what is fsck?
[08:41] <dwidmann> filesystem check
[08:41] <codyt> lol
[08:41] <Rossco> If you tell me, I think I may make sense of a shirt I saw a while ago
[08:41] <Rossco> ROFL
[08:41] <Rossco> omg lol
[08:41] <noiesmo> mefisto__, fsck /dev/hdaX
[08:41] <Rossco> I saw this shirt that said FSCK!
[08:41] <Rossco> And it said it would make concerned parents complain to you :P
[08:41] <noiesmo> lol rob
[08:41] <Rossco> the description fo the shirt
[08:41] <mefisto__> noiesmo: ok, it said it's clean. Anything else I can try?
[08:41] <noiesmo> bloody tab completion
[08:42] <Tmi> Does anyone recognize the problem that KDE's built-in archive manager (the one that is started if you click a .rar if you don't install other unrar-programs) just stops working
[08:42] <shinigami> no.. still the same.. can't install build-essential
[08:43] <noiesmo> mefisto__,  you could try create a new user and see if they can log in, maybe reinstall video drivers
[08:43] <mefisto__> noiesmo: how do I create a new user?
[08:44] <dwidmann> shinigami, you said you had some edgy items in your sources.list at one point right ... you probably have some edgy programs installed that apt doesn't want to downgrade. Perhaps if you were to do a apt-get dist-upgrade, maybe.
[08:45] <Rossco> How do I make myself a superuser so I don't have to tpye in sudo -s everytime?
[08:45] <shinigami> ok.
[08:45] <shinigami> i'll do a dist-upgrade
[08:45] <dwidmann> Rossco: running as root all the time would be like walking around naked.
[08:45] <dwidmann> just one of those things that I woudln't recommend doing
[08:45] <maziah> hrm maybe there isnt a multithreading package manager ;/
[08:46] <Rossco> Lol, ok
[08:46] <Rossco> For what reasons?
[08:46] <vytautas> its not that bad to walk naked at home
[08:46] <codyt> haha
[08:46] <maziah> gets cold awfuly quick ;>
[08:46] <mefisto__> Rossco: leaves you vulnerable, security-wise
[08:46] <noiesmo> mefisto__, you'll have to log in recovery mode then do sudo adduser username
[08:46] <Rossco> lol, k guys BRB - gotta restart X
[08:46] <dwidmann> maziah, no, there isn't, but you could be downloading multiple packages at the same time, by using multiple mirrors.
[08:47] <maziah> stink, dpkg alredy does that
[08:47] <mefisto__> noiesmo: ok thanks, I'll try that
[08:47] <shinigami> damnit.............still can't after dist-upgrade
[08:47] <shinigami> URGHH
[08:47] <noiesmo> mefisto__, np
[08:49] <shinigami> dwidmann: how do i remove those edgy programs manaully?
[08:49] <bartist> i have an Intel 82801CA-ICH3 soundcard that only works when it wants, any idea?
[08:49] <vytautas> be nice to her
[08:51] <Rossco> Back :)
[08:55] <james_> has anybody had any sucess in installing a canon ip1000 within kubunut?
[08:57] <kraut> moin
[09:00] <Rossco> I need some help installing this thing guys
[09:00] <Rossco> can anyone help me?
[09:01] <Rossco> It's a .tar.gz file
[09:01] <cmcguicken> I need some help, i have downloaded a tar.gz file. How do i run and install the program???
[09:01] <dwidmann> a .tar.gz file is just a compressed archive, like a zip file, so it depends what is in it ...
[09:01] <codyt> it's a tarball.
[09:02] <cmcguicken> so how do i run it>?
[09:02] <james_> has anybody had any sucess in installing a canon ip1000 within kubunut?
[09:02] <cmcguicken> its a program
[09:02] <dwidmann> cmcguicken: there's a strong possibility that you downloaded the source code for a program, what is the program?
[09:02] <cmcguicken> how do you install programs? it says to do a command but where and how.
[09:03] <cmcguicken> bombObomb.program-<IP_ADDRESS>.tgz
[09:03] <fuel> i get a message from adept manager saying database for packages is locked........however i am not running any other process......... how do i unlock it
[09:03] <cmcguicken> and i have a nother one which is tar.gz
[09:03] <dwidmann> !adeptfix | fuel
[09:03] <ubotu> fuel: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[09:04] <cmcguicken> so, any help?
[09:04] <shinigami> i still can't get build-essential ........help
[09:04] <dwidmann> cmcguicken: well, the first thing you have to do is extract it, you can do this in a terminal, or by using ark
[09:04] <cmcguicken> yes i have done this
[09:04] <dwidmann> what files are in the base directory cmcguicken?
[09:04] <cmcguicken> but there is jusat loads of files
[09:04] <cmcguicken> loads.
[09:05] <stdin> cmcguicken: there is a small guide here for compiling applications https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[09:05] <dwidmann> shinigami, mixing files from different repositories (ie, installing edgy things in dapper) always ends in tears.
[09:05] <shinigami> urghhhhhhhhh
[09:06] <Rossco> I'm trying to run this thing
[09:06] <Rossco> But I need to run it as a superuser
[09:06] <Rossco> how do I do that? :S
[09:06] <shinigami> anything i can do to revert besides reinstalling kubuntu?
[09:06] <dwidmann> if you know which ones they were shinigami you can try to replace them on an as needed basis
[09:06] <fuel> dwidmann : great it worked ! thanks :)
[09:06] <cmcguicken> im confused. cant i just run a setup file to install an application??
[09:06] <codyt> Rossco: using the command "sudo" preferably.
[09:06] <cmcguicken> like on windows
[09:07] <shinigami> ok...i need those compilers like gcc..etc
[09:07] <fuel> cmcguicken : linux is not windows
[09:07] <codyt> cmcguicken: sometimes, not allways.
[09:07] <cmcguicken> sorry, i have just switched
[09:07] <dwidmann> cmcguicken: No, not if you download source code ... which you probably did
[09:07] <shinigami> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/build: No such file or directory. <-- does it means i don't have those building compilers?
[09:07] <fuel> after extracting........you should probably run ./configure then make and make install if the folder contains any configure files
[09:07] <cmcguicken> it has a configure and install files but when i click on them it is just text
[09:08] <fuel> yeah goo
[09:08] <fuel> d
[09:08] <fuel> now press F8
[09:08] <fuel> you will get a konsole at the bottom
[09:08] <cmcguicken> how do you "ron ./configure"
[09:08] <dwidmann> cmcguicken: I can walk you through it, but you're going to need some patience
[09:08] <fuel> there type ./configure
[09:08] <cmcguicken> ok, i have got to go now. have you got email?
[09:08] <cmcguicken> or i will go back on irc
[09:09] <dwidmann> First thing you will need to do cmcguicken, is to run this command: "sudo aptitude install build-essential"
[09:09] <cmcguicken> later. THnks for all the help anyway. ok
[09:09] <dwidmann> going so soon? who doesn't have email?
[09:09] <fuel> x( next time he comes!!!
[09:09] <codyt> dwidmann: do you devote a lot of time to helping?
[09:09] <fuel> codyt : irc is for that only
[09:10] <dwidmann> codyt: devotes such a strong word, I just kind of do it.
[09:10] <codyt> understood.
[09:10] <bartist> i have an Intel 82801CA-ICH3 soundcard that only works when it wants  -- PLEASE HELP
[09:11] <dwidmann> codyt: Granted, for not "devoting", that is where _a_lot_ of my time goes
[09:12] <codyt> dwidmann: I can respect that.
[09:12] <codyt> I do, rather.
[09:13] <codyt> bartist: are you pretty new to linux?
[09:13] <bartist> we can say so codyt
[09:14] <bartist> do you think you have a clue codyt?
[09:14] <codyt> I struggled to get my soundcard working when I first started using Gentoo, and it can be a pain.
[09:14] <shinigami> i still can't install build-essential
[09:14] <shinigami> sigh
[09:14] <bartist> the strange thing is that my soundcard worked fine on ubuntu dapper
[09:14] <shinigami> what are the directories that contain the resiporities?
[09:14] <bartist> and worked a bit on kubuntu edgy
[09:15] <bartist> then it just stopped to work
[09:15] <dwidmann> shinigami, as per the packages it said it couldn't install, force in those packages manually. It may be extremely tedious, extremely, but it should let things work.
[09:15] <codyt> bartist: you might just need to install the appropriate drivers.
[09:15] <shinigami> how to force?
[09:15] <bartist> already done
[09:15] <guglielf> hi *  in which dir is the help:/ system located?
[09:16] <dwidmann> shinigami, /etc/apt/ is where you sources.list is ... /var/cache/apt/archives is where apts cache is, and as for repositories, for most you can just punch in the url and browse it in your browser if needed
[09:16] <codyt> I'll see if I can find other reports of problems with that soundcard.
[09:17] <bartist> i have been looking on google for days now
[09:17] <codyt> bartist: do you know if you're using ALSA, OSS, ESD?
[09:17] <bartist> it's set on autodetect, so i guess its alsa
[09:18] <bartist> the most frustriating is that it worked 2 days ago
[09:18] <bartist> then i rebooted
[09:18] <bartist> and nothing!!!
[09:20] <codyt> hasn't worked at all since?
[09:20] <shinigami> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:20] <shinigami> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:20] <shinigami> what's this???????
[09:21] <shinigami> nvmind
[09:21] <shinigami> got it
[09:21] <shinigami> if i get apt-get source build-essential
[09:21] <shinigami> what shd i do next
[09:22] <bartist> no it hasn't, i even made a fresh install
[09:23] <codyt> what are you testing the sound with?
[09:24] <codyt> I'm seeing some posts where all the person had to do was install the alsa-libs, alsa-drivers and alsa-tools packages.
[09:24] <james_> is there a way to default video resalution without plugging a monitor in?
[09:25] <startswithz> what program do you guys use for peer to peer downloading?
[09:26] <dwidmann> shinigami, why would you want to build from source?
[09:26] <dwidmann> I mean, build build-essential from source ....
[09:26] <dwidmann> it's just a metapackage anyway ...
[09:26] <codyt> startswithz: you might try searching sourceforge, or linux.softpedia.com
[09:26] <death2xp> .
[09:26] <shinigami> ok i'm gg crazy.. just need those build tools to compile something
[09:27] <shinigami> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/build: No such file or directory. <-- means i need to install build-essential ??
[09:27] <Rob-West> can someone help me setup MAME in KDE
[09:28] <dwidmann> anyway, shinigami, the easiest way to fix your problem is either reinstall, or to either upgrade to edgy, or to reinstall dapper.
[09:29] <dwidmann> If you have a seperate /home partition then that would be good, if you can backup your list of installed packages that would be good too
[09:30] <shinigami> ok
[09:30] <shinigami> i guess i'll upgrade to edgy
[09:30] <shinigami> damnit........
[09:31] <Rob-West> edgy rocks
[09:31] <shinigami> hey
[09:31] <codyt> edgy rocks could be dangerous.
[09:31] <death2xp> ouch
[09:31] <dwidmann> hahahaha
[09:31] <shinigami> to upgrade to edgy i just need to change the sources.list from dapper to edgy and do update upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[09:32] <Rob-West> im using Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy
[09:32] <linux_> hey guys have someone experience to install a free navigation system on PDA ?
[09:32] <linux_> or some good links
[09:32] <death2xp> i use destinator pns
[09:33] <death2xp> not free but dl from torrentz
[09:34] <ForgeAus> you can't... erm.. debianize zipslack can you?
[09:34] <ForgeAus> or can you install kubuntu into a fat32 drive?
[09:36] <dwidmann> shinigami, that should work
[09:37] <dwidmann> I don't think you can install kubuntu on a fat32 partition ForgeAus
[09:37] <dwidmann> and even if you could, why use an antiquated partition format like fat32?
[09:37] <codyt> not without reformatting the partion, I don't think.
[09:38] <d0dge> Any suggestions how to uninstall nvidia drivers?
[09:38] <d0dge> I've installed them two or three times and now I need to uninstall all of them
[09:38] <shinigami> hope it works..its updating now
[09:38] <d0dge> Should I search 'nvidia' folders and delete them all, manually?
[09:38] <noiesmo> !envy | d0dge
[09:39] <ubotu> d0dge: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy
[09:39] <shinigami> so..meanwhile care to tell me the differences between..dapper and edgy
[09:39] <shinigami> !edgy
[09:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[09:39] <d0dge> noiesmo: Ok, thanks
[09:39] <noiesmo> d0dge, it can also uninstall drivers check the k=link
[09:39] <dwidmann> d0dge, the nvidia installer doubles as the uninstaller, , something like ./blahblahblah.bin --uninstall should work
[09:39] <d0dge> Ok I'll try that
[09:40] <d0dge> Because, last time I installed them, nvidia drivers worked, but now X server crashes every time I reboot
[09:40] <d0dge> So I need to use 'nv' driver or 'vesa'
[09:40] <dwidmann> d0dge, give envy a shot first ... it's a great piece of work :)
[09:41] <d0dge> Roger
[09:41] <BlueDevil> is firefox2 in any dapper repos?
[09:41] <dwidmann> if it i s, it would be in dapper-backports or dapper-security
[09:41] <codyt> d0dge: as a "quick fix" you can revert to the previous xorg.conf that hastn' been touched by the install yet.
[09:41] <d0dge> codyt: Yeah I've done that..
[09:42] <codyt> Sorry.
[09:42] <d0dge> 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and then 'nv' drivers
[09:42] <d0dge> It works, but when I select nvidia and reboot, It doesn't :(
[09:42] <[StingRay] > Hi, stdin :)
[09:42] <d0dge> But I'll try envy
[09:43] <stdin> hay [StingRay]  :)
[09:44] <BlueDevil> dwidmann: in the wiki it says it's available in backports for dapper, but can't find it
[09:44] <[StingRay] > stdin, I successfully remapped the keyboard layouts ;)
[09:45] <stdin> [StingRay] : cool, so you finally have everything working now?
[09:45] <dwidmann> Blue devil, do you have the dapper-backports repository enabled?
[09:45] <[StingRay] > Hot exactly, stdin. I am very displeased with wine's window handling. Some of the windows are not visible on alt-tab funcion, the order windows are opened is a mess :(.
[09:46] <[StingRay] > stdin, I have reeducate the users...
[09:46] <dwidmann> d0dge, you _have_ to use nvidia-xconfig to reconfigure x to use nvidia, otherwise it just plain won't work.
[09:47] <stdin> [StingRay] : so can you sleep at night now, without worrying about users fscking up :P
[09:47] <BlueDevil> dwidmann: yes
[09:48] <[StingRay] > :D, stdin. There are no night shifts, so sleeping is fine.
[09:48] <dwidmann> BlueDevil, and you've apt-get updated, then apt-get install firefox, or perhaps firefox2 (or something), whatever they felt like calling the package
[09:49] <BlueDevil> dwidmann: i've used synaptic, but yes, those were the actions
[09:49] <[StingRay] > I will carry out some tests to see how gnome handles the windows..., stdin
[09:50] <stdin> [StingRay] : eww, gnome :P
[09:52] <dwidmann> I'm not sure then bluedevil ... I upgraded to edgy right after it was released
[09:52] <dwidmann> in fact, I'm preparing to make an early move to feisty now ...
[09:52] <BlueDevil> np, thanks for the help
[09:52] <[StingRay] > stdin,...my first impressions were on ubuntu...will keep you informed about the progress ;)
[09:53] <codyt> dwidmann: what are the major differences?
[09:53] <dwidmann> as usual, updated software
[09:53] <stdin> [StingRay] : it sounds like an interesting project, you could maybe put the steps on the ubuntu wiki :)
[09:54] <dwidmann> I'm not sure what all else is in the works, I'm sure there is something though
[09:54] <caris_mere> Can somebody help me with a few QT questions?
[09:54] <codyt> I'll have to look into it later.
[09:54] <dwidmann> caris_mere, I can try
[09:55] <caris_mere> dwidmann: thanks.  There are a few programs I would like that require QT4, but I think I only have QT3...
[09:56] <caris_mere> dwidmann: Can I upgrade? Is it easy?  Any tips?
[09:56] <dwidmann> caris_mere, it's easy if you're using edgy, might not be on dapper though
[09:57] <caris_mere> dwidmann: I'm using dapper
[09:57] <dwidmann> I think what needs to be installed are the libqt4* packages
[09:58] <dwidmann> If you see them on dapper then it will be easy, on the other hand, if you don't see them, it'll be more difficult
[09:58] <ramanuj_> vbetool[4182] :segfault at<PHONE_NUMBER>0054d1 rip oooooooooo4256f3 rsp
[09:58] <ramanuj_> this mesg is coming every time my system is booting up
[09:59] <ramanuj_> this mesg is coming every time my system is booting up
[09:59] <ramanuj_> what may be the reason
[09:59] <stdin> afaik you just need "libqt4-core" "libqt4-gui" "libqt4-sql" and probably "libqt4-qt3support" to get Qt4 on dapper
[09:59] <[StingRay] > stdin, it would be a good idea if there were not so many workarounds...it is not professional. I cannot explain to the users why xmodmap under tightvnc is mapping the wrong keys...and etc.
[09:59] <dwidmann> caris_mere, to figure it out, search for libqt4 in adept, or use apt-cache search libqt4
[09:59] <caris_mere> dwidmann: They are in adept. Do I need to uninstall qt3 first, or can I just install qt4?
[09:59] <dwidmann> stdin: probably, I figured core and gui at the least
[10:00] <dwidmann> caris_mere: NO
[10:00] <dwidmann> caris_mere, in fact, that could really cause problems to try to remove that
[10:00] <caris_mere> dwidmann: I figured
[10:00] <codyt> caris_mere: many packages may rely specifically on qt3 as apposed to qt4
[10:00] <caris_mere> Can I have both?
[10:01] <stdin> caris_mere: yes, you can have both installed
[10:01] <caris_mere> ah, ok, So I can just install them now and things might work? :-)
[10:01] <dwidmann> Feisty changes: it looks like ubiquity has been ported to qt4, zeroconf is enabled by default, more systemsettings changes, some more changes in default applications ... password boxes use bullets instead of asterisks, changes to power management
[10:01] <dwidmann> caris_mere: yep
[10:02] <caris_mere> dwidmann: thanks
[10:02] <caris_mere> thanks everybody
[10:03] <caris_mere> One more questions, do I need libqt4-qt3support?
[10:05] <stdin> I think that just allows Qt3 apps to run on Qt4, so it may not be *needed*
[10:05] <caris_mere> ok, I won't install it
[10:14] <mefisto__> noiesmo: still have my login problem. I created a new user, no different. BUT when I tried to use apt-get, got an error about my sources.list, which turned out to be junk contents, not text. Probably has happened to other files too (when I first ran fsck it "fixed" lots of files)
[10:18] <noiesmo> mefisto__, maybe the hdd had a major failure maybe get manufacture diagnoics tool for hdd ad test your drive
[10:19] <noiesmo> mefisto__, had a drive crap out was replaced under warranty
[10:19] <mefisto__> is there a way to reinstall installed packages with apt-get?
[10:20] <noiesmo> mefisto__, yes apt-get install --reinstall packagename
[10:21] <mefisto__> yes but which packages? can I do something like -reinstall all (to reinstall whatever is already installed)?
[10:21] <noiesmo> mefisto__, no there's no way I know to just apt-get everypackage
[10:22] <mefisto__> can apt-get list installed packages?
[10:22] <noiesmo> you can do dpkg-query -l to ge a list of packages installed
[10:22] <mefisto__> OK thanks
[10:24] <usemody> good morning @all
[10:24] <noiesmo> mefisto__, np good luck
[10:24] <usemody> need help .......by initializing ircservices 4 my fresh installed ircd-ircu server
[10:25] <mefisto__> any other advice, other than reinstalling kubuntu?
[10:25] <usemody> how can i become on that memoserv chanserv and nickserv
[10:27] <noiesmo> mefisto__, you could rebuild otherwise a reinstall did you do a seperate user home partiton when you installed
[10:27] <mefisto__> noiesmo: yes, separate home partition
[10:28] <mefisto__> what do you mean by "rebuild"?
[10:29] <noiesmo> mefisto__, get in recovery mode and then just reinstall major packages such as X Gnome etc
[10:30] <mefisto__> noiesmo: I have little idea which packages are major ones. Is there a list I can refer to somewhere?
[10:31] <mefisto__> noiesmo: I might try reinstalling X first. Is that "xserver-xorg" ?
[10:31] <noiesmo> mefisto__, no list and yes do xserver-xorg
[10:33] <mefisto__> noiesmo: I have dapper installed. what if I try to upgrade to edgy? Is it worth trying with apt-get? Or is it likely to cause more headaches than it solves?
[10:34] <noiesmo> mefisto__, that might be the go you got headaches now with install
[10:35] <noiesmo> mefisto__, i upgrade from dapper to edgy no maor drama
[10:35] <noiesmo> mefisto__, had to reinstall nvidia but other than that no reall probs
[10:35] <mefisto__> noiesmo: can I use apt-get to upgrade from edgy cd, rather than download everything?
[10:36] <noiesmo> mefisto__, not 100% I normally just use the net
[10:37] <mefisto__> noiesmo: how much free space would I need?
[10:38] <intelikey> anybody know what device node this would be ?    Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root?
[10:38] <noiesmo> mefisto__, prob about a gig as packages will be replaced
[10:39] <intelikey> burned is scd0    scsi address is 0,4,0 ?
[10:39] <intelikey> burner that is.
[10:40] <intelikey> ?
[10:40] <larson9999> is flash 9 final in the repositories yet?
[10:41] <intelikey> !flash
[10:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:41] <intelikey> !flash9
[10:41] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[10:41] <intelikey> don't know is if it's "final" or not.
[10:42] <intelikey> anyone know what the raw device node would be for dev/scd0  ?
[10:42] <intelikey> is it sg something ?
[10:43] <intelikey> i'm thinking sg   help me out here...
[10:43] <larson9999> intelikey: sure.  i have that installed but it's not the final version.  at least it wasn't
[10:45] <intelikey> hope it's not sr0  heh that's just a symlink to scd0 ...
[10:45] <codyt> hmm, no IP masking..
[10:48] <gnarlie> how usable is feisty herd 2?
[10:50] <codyt> is a fresh install of kubuntu likely to get exploited/hacked/etc?
[10:51] <ForgeAus> codyt? how/why would it?
[10:51] <stdin> nope, not a chance in hell :P
[10:52] <codyt> haha
[10:52] <codyt> Well, I'm pretty new to linux.
[10:52] <ForgeAus> linux isnt like XP
[10:52] <codyt> I've only had my linux box connected to the internet for about a month now.
[10:52] <codyt> I've noticed. (:
[10:52] <stdin> a fresh install is _extremely_ secure
[10:52] <ForgeAus> its less spyware/virus prone
[10:53] <stdin> less = immuse
[10:53] <codyt> my XP lags when I right-click on my desktop. (I keep it for my mom)
[10:53] <codyt> she's far from being tech-savvy, and doesn't like change.
[10:53] <jason_> I have my pc set up so it dual boots windows and kubuntu, but a couple days ago windows totaly screwed up, how would i uninstall it and reinstall it? repairing it doesnt do anything, so i need to delete the partion, but i dont know whitch one is kubuntu and witch one is windows, how could i find out?
[10:54] <justin_> hello, anyone can help me?
[10:55] <codyt> justin_, you'll have to be a little more specific.
[10:55] <stdin> hey jason_  :)
[10:55] <justin_> my wireless USB adapter always goes to sleep
[10:55] <justin_> hello, codyt
[10:55] <codyt> mm, I'm not the right guy for that one.
[10:56] <stdin> jason_: open Konsole and use this command to see "sudo fdisk -l"
[10:56] <jason_> ok
[10:56] <justin_> it will be down after a while non-attended, and I cannot bring it up
[10:57] <stdin> jason_: the windows one will have "NTFS" by it, ie not the Linux or "Linux swap / Solaris"
[10:57] <justin_> the green LED on the adapter normally shows green when it's active
[10:57] <justin_> but when it's down, no LED at all.
[10:57] <jason_> is that -l or -1?
[10:58] <stdin> lower case L
[10:58] <justin_> the problem is I used every method I know to bring it up, but nothing happened.
[10:58] <jason_> ok, thx
[10:58] <justin_> thanks codyt anyway
[10:58] <gnarlie> anyone using feisty herd 2?
[10:58] <codyt> sorry I couldn't be of help.
[10:58] <stdin> gnarlie: yep
[10:58] <gnarlie> stdin: how is it?
[10:58] <gnarlie> any critical bugs?
[10:59] <stdin> gnarlie: it's quite stable for me (tm), but you should remember it's still alpha and can break at any time :P
[10:59] <gnarlie> =)
[10:59] <justin_> Knnten Sie mich helfen
[11:00] <jason_> its the first one,
[11:00] <ForgeAus> you trademarked yourself?
[11:00] <jason_> i'll do it tomorrow, its 2am here
[11:00] <jason_> thx
[11:01] <stdin> ForgeAus: no, the "for me" part :P
[11:01] <ForgeAus> IC
[11:02] <nate_> so ive just installed edgy, and theres only 1000 items a availible? in dapper i had over 18000
[11:02] <mineur> !samba
[11:02] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:03] <ForgeAus> nate perhaps the repositories you were using?
[11:03] <stdin> nate_: enable your repositories
[11:03] <stdin> !repos
[11:03] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:03] <justin_> anyone can help me with my wireless adaptor
[11:04] <ForgeAus> hmm pydance for edgy needs to be patched, but its ok with feisty... strange!
[11:04] <nate_> i have enable all the "standard repos", and i didnt have any other repos in dapper but the standard ones
[11:04] <nate_> also, whats this problem
[11:04] <nate_> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:04] <nate_>   libgtk2.0-0: Depends: libgtk2.0-bin (>= 2.10.6-0ubuntu3) but 2.10.6-0ubuntu1 is installed
[11:04] <nate_>   python-soya: Depends: python-imaging-tk but it is not installed
[11:04] <nate_> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[11:04] <ForgeAus> nate, sounds wierd
[11:04] <nate_> im trying to upgrade and they are the only 2 hicups so far
[11:05] <stdin> try "sudo apt-get -f install" in Konsole
[11:05] <nate_> nate@NATIOUS:~$ apt-get -f install
[11:05] <nate_> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[11:05] <nate_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[11:05] <stdin> ^^sudo
[11:05] <nate_> oh yep now its working
[11:06] <nate_> thanks, do you have any good how too's to get beryl working i have a nvidia 7900GS 512mb
[11:06] <ForgeAus> the su in sudo stands for superuser right?
[11:06] <ForgeAus> nate, theres a repository for beryl
[11:06] <stdin> SuperUserDO :)
[11:06] <nate_> yep i know about the beryl repo's
[11:06] <ForgeAus> do? as in the english word do (ie do this do that?)
[11:06] <rjian> @update kubuntu
[11:06] <rjian> hmm
[11:07] <ForgeAus> so instead of being sudo like how you say pseudo, its sudo as in soodoo!...
[11:07] <rjian> wats the command on the bot?
[11:07] <nate_> i could never get beryl to work indapper, somone in here suggested using edgy, so here i am, ive update/upgraded, now where do i go?
[11:07] <stdin> ForgeAus: yep "do" as in "let's do it"
[11:07] <nate_> is this safve to use http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263851
[11:08] <stdin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/InstallingBeryl << in that order
[11:09] <nate_> i breifly read somewhere i dont need xgl with edgy and nvidia?
[11:09] <stdin> nate_: I theink it depends where you got the driver from
[11:10] <nate_> i havnt downloaded any driver yet
[11:10] <ForgeAus> xgl or um agx orwhatever the other tla is
[11:10] <ForgeAus> edgy does have something inbuilt but its not xgl or something...
[11:10] <nate_> the only sucess with my card ive had is if i download the driver using the envy script (this is in dapper) nvidia-glx dud
[11:10] <stdin> nate_: I know the download from nvidia can use AIGLX, but I don't think the ubuntu package can use it yet
[11:10] <ForgeAus> ahh thats it AIGLX
[11:11] <ForgeAus> wait thats not a tla tho! my bad! rofl
[11:11] <nate_> nvidia-glx never worked for me
[11:11] <nate_> it installs, but nothing changes
[11:11] <stdin> nate_: you have to enable it
[11:11] <naser> hello
[11:11] <naser> i need help
[11:12] <naser> somebody can help me in kubuntu ???
[11:12] <stdin> don't know until you ask
[11:12] <ForgeAus> nasser, what about kubunutu?
[11:12] <mindspin> !ask
[11:12] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:12] <stdin> !someone
[11:12] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:12] <nate_> is there a 686smp kernel for edgy?
[11:13] <stdin> nate_: the -generic kernel is what you want
[11:13] <nate_> i have a core duo
[11:13] <nate_> laptop
[11:13] <stdin> nate_: yep, the -generic kernel id what you want
[11:13] <stdin> !generic
[11:13] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[11:13] <naser> i have kubuntu and want to install source packages
[11:14] <nate_> 686smp ripped the standard 386 in dapper
[11:14] <naser> all the packages need a lot of things like qt3 c++ gcc ...
[11:14] <naser> how i can install software in easy was ??
[11:14] <codyt> is either AMD or Intel "better" for running linux as a desktop?
[11:14] <stdin> nate_: the 686 and the smp kernels are all part of the -generic one now
[11:14] <stamen> !3gp
[11:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3gp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:14] <stamen> hi
[11:14] <stdin> !compile | naser
[11:14] <ubotu> naser: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:14] <stamen> who can recomend me a program which converts 3gp
[11:15] <ForgeAus> nasser easiest way is if its available under ADEPT to do it that way...
[11:15] <ForgeAus> it will fill in the dependancies and load them for you...
[11:15] <nate_> oh ok, so im already using it by default, or is there somthing where i have to select it?
[11:15] <stamen> to somthing playable in linux and win
[11:15] <nate_> is there a terminal command to see what kernel im using
[11:15] <stamen> and the program ocourse must be used in linux
[11:15] <ForgeAus> but if its a customized package, you may have to install dependancy bits, and then the package afterwards...
[11:15] <stdin> nate_: no, it configures itself automatically :)
[11:15] <stdin> nate_: uname -r
[11:15] <naser> thank you ForgeAus very mush
[11:16] <naser> and thank all
[11:16] <nate_> nate@NATIOUS:~$ uname -r
[11:16] <nate_> 2.6.17-10-generic
[11:16] <nate_> it seems to load slower at the start than in dapper
[11:17] <stdin> nate_: the -generic kernel is for any processor, 386, 686, k7, smp ....
[11:17] <nate_> are there any tweaks/mods i can do to speed things up?
[11:17] <ForgeAus> lol you could always go lunar linux and run through menu-driven kernel modifications! rofl
[11:17] <stdin> nate_: it detects the processor you have and configured itself automatically at boot
[11:17] <ForgeAus> but that takes a long time and asks questions that are quite.. um high-end and so many of them it gets annoying as hell
[11:18] <nate_> hrmm, well i guess ill give beryl ago now, have you got it working (stdin)
[11:19] <ForgeAus> beryl uses 2 keys I can't use from in VMware
[11:19] <ForgeAus> control+alt (together)
[11:19] <stdin> nate_: yeah, I have AIGLX and Beryl working great on an Intel chip :)
[11:19] <ForgeAus> I could always alter the keycombos tho
[11:19] <naser> all the ubuntu packages working in kubuntu ??
[11:19] <nate_> as in intel gmaXXXX or intel cpu?
[11:20] <naser> all the ubuntu packages working in kubuntu ????
[11:20] <stdin> nate_: Intel GPU (graphics chip)
[11:20] <mineur> naser: yes :)
[11:20] <stdin> naser: Kubuntu IS Ubuntu, just with KDE instead of Gnome, all the packages are the same
[11:20] <ForgeAus> naser for that sense ubuntu = kubuntu
[11:20] <mineur> ForgeAus: those keys are configurable
[11:21] <nate_> should i nvidia-glx in adpet, or use the envy script? or eventualy they are both the same?
[11:21] <ForgeAus> mineur yeah I know...
[11:21] <naser> an what the different things between edry and dapper and ... ??
[11:22] <naser> edgy**
[11:22] <ForgeAus> naser they're just versions
[11:22] <stdin> nate_: the ubuntu package will be updated when the kernel is updated, with the envy script you will have to recompile it everytime you get a kernel update, if you are comfortable with it, then use that, if not then go with the ubuntu package
[11:22] <ForgeAus> earlier there were ones like badger, now its dapper drake -> edgy eft -> fiesty herd...
[11:22] <mineur> and for the one concerned about beryl... I got Beryl with aiglx on an intel 855 graphical chip
[11:22] <administrator__> hello all
[11:23] <nate_> are there any diffecenes, do  they end up installing the same driver?
[11:23] <ForgeAus> its like windows codemanes like cairo whistler memphis
[11:23] <stdin> nate_: the envy one is more up-to-date
[11:23] <mineur> nate_: there's no difference, just a different window manager... but that's not the core of your OS :)
[11:23] <nate_> so what do you recommend then
[11:23] <mineur> just a matter of preference
[11:24] <mineur> look at some screenshots
[11:24] <mineur> see what you like best.. gnome or kde
[11:24] <mineur> personally I'm a kde fan :)
[11:24] <ForgeAus> me 2
[11:24] <ForgeAus> xfce is another option (ie xubuntu)
[11:24] <stdin> KDE RICKS!! :)
[11:24] <nate_> i like KDE, but ive made a move from osx86 and XP
[11:24] <stdin> ROCKS :P
[11:25] <ForgeAus> osx86 I have yet to get into
[11:25] <mineur> so I'd suggest kubuntu, especially if you're not experienced
[11:25] <ForgeAus> I'm looking towards it at some point tho
[11:25] <mineur> kde just looks better imho :d
[11:25] <ForgeAus> kubuntu is mostly easy and fun
[11:25] <stdin> I like to customise the c**p out of my desktop, so I go with KDE :P
[11:25] <mineur> true, everything worked out of the box here on my laptop
[11:25] <ForgeAus> yeah I agree mineur xfce is minimal but a bit less user-friendly
[11:26] <mineur> I used to have fluxbox on my debian
[11:26] <mineur> that's minimal hehe
[11:26] <ForgeAus> fluxbox, enlightenment, amiwm... they're all kewl
[11:26] <ForgeAus> in their own ways
[11:26] <naser> i want c compiler to make console software what i have to do ??
[11:26] <ForgeAus> IceWM is another
[11:26] <stdin> enlightenment is a kool WM
[11:26] <ForgeAus> yeah
[11:27] <ForgeAus> its kinda strange
[11:27] <ForgeAus> very configurable tho
[11:27] <stdin> naser: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[11:27] <ForgeAus> currently I like how small/simple/useful amiwm is
[11:27] <ForgeAus> emulates the commodore Amiga workbench
[11:27] <codyt> I haven't really tried a distro that I didn't like.
[11:27] <mineur> naser: install the gcc packet and you're set
[11:27] <ForgeAus> WindowMaker is also ok
[11:27] <codyt> Then again, I've only tried LinSpire,  Gentoo, and Kubuntu.
[11:28] <stdin> mineur: what about make, g++, cpp ........?
[11:28] <ForgeAus> LinSpire is ok its much like kubuntu's kde interface
[11:28] <mineur> I started with redhat... 5.2 or 5.1 I think... stayed with it until 6.something then I went on to other distro's :d
[11:28] <ForgeAus> because it uses kde itself
[11:28] <snowrichard> had linspire pre-installed on a computer I got from walmart once.  Dumped it for Mandriva I think
[11:28] <ForgeAus> and both are based on debian
[11:28] <mineur> stdin: don't they come with the gcc packet?
[11:28] <codyt> Yeah. I'd probably prefer Kubuntu because LinSpire reminded me of Windows.
[11:29] <ForgeAus> but kubuntu is more a ubuntu debian than linspires debian
[11:29] <ForgeAus> lol I don't mind windows...
[11:29] <stdin> mineur: no, you just install build-essential it installs them all
[11:29] <ForgeAus> mandriva is one I want to try
[11:29] <ForgeAus> too big to d/l tho :(
[11:29] <snowrichard> you can do a net install
[11:29] <snowrichard> boot.iso
[11:29] <codyt> I don't mind windows when I'm the only one who uses it.
[11:29] <larson9999> ForgeAus: commodore! nothing wrong with that.  i'll check it out
[11:30] <codyt> in my absense, my family members and others tend to get plenty of spyware adware and etc
[11:30] <ForgeAus> larson9999 yeah nothing wrong with it but its pretty simplistic/featureless/unconfigurable
[11:30] <mineur> I'm stuck with windows on my desktop, for my master thesis, need to develop software for windows mobile :)
[11:30] <ForgeAus> not much you'd need to configure/change about it but still
[11:31] <mineur> but once that's done, kubuntu on my dekstop!
[11:31] <snowrichard> my family and friends call me to fix their windows systems.  One of my friends  had messed hers up again and had also scratched the windows disk I gave her.  I gave her debian this time. :)
[11:31] <ForgeAus> i wish I could make my zipslack a kubuntu install instead!
[11:31] <snowrichard> she's using Open Office and she can get on the net
[11:32] <codyt> My linux box outperforms my windows box, and my windows box has better specs.
[11:32] <snowrichard> and play her slot machine games so shes happy
[11:32] <ForgeAus> slot machine games?
[11:32] <codyt> But, the windows box has spyware and such that hogs resources.
[11:32] <ForgeAus> which ones does linux have?
[11:32] <snowrichard> its a java net app
[11:32] <ForgeAus> oh IC
[11:32] <snowrichard> freeslots.com or something
[11:32] <mineur> wish I could get my family to use linux.... would save me alot of time on the phone and such
[11:33] <ForgeAus> I might check it out sometime
[11:33] <ForgeAus> my mother will love you for it :)
[11:33] <mineur> btw, is there an alternative for karamba?
[11:33] <larson9999> mineur: i solved that problem by charging for windows support but not linux support(for family that is)
[11:33] <codyt> mineur, I agree with you there.    She's retired now
[11:34] <mineur> I can't even hand a screwdriver to my mom to get the case open.... so not letting her touch anything :)
[11:35] <ForgeAus> someone should make a live CD of an enlightenment-based ubuntu... or a fluxbox ubuntu ... or a windowmaker ubuntu lol ...
[11:35] <ForgeAus> wubuntu?
[11:35] <larson9999> for hardware i just go there and watch them as i tell them what to do.  if they'd rather be the one watching, i charge for my time.  :)
[11:35] <mineur> lol
[11:35] <codyt> haha
[11:36] <ForgeAus> eubuntu sounds too confusing with edubuntu tho
[11:36] <codyt> I've tried enlightenment, but I don't care for the feeel
[11:36] <codyt> haven't tried windowmaker or fluxbox, though.
[11:37] <ForgeAus> it took me a long time to get used to enlightenment
[11:37] <codyt> Yeah, it's very different.
[11:37] <codyt> I did like some of it's features, but not the general feel.
[11:37] <ForgeAus> and even then I didn't have any apps installed that it seemed to notice... so all I was doing was configuring enlightenment itself
[11:37] <mineur> before fluxbox I did use enlightenment, but if I'd go back now, I'd have to learn everything again
[11:38] <larson9999> i like the look and feel of windows.  so i configure everything to look like it.  my xbuntu box looks pretty much like my kde box
[11:38] <mineur> and with kde I can let someone else chek their mail on my pc, it's a more familiar look
[11:38] <ForgeAus> kde can be very windows-like
[11:38] <codyt> Yeah.
[11:38] <ForgeAus> or very OSX-like! lol
[11:38] <naser> clear
[11:39] <mineur> at least you don't have to klick start to shut it down :p
[11:39] <larson9999> actually, it's more that i'm used to it.  i don't see the need to move stuff for the sake of moving it.
[11:39] <ForgeAus> I like how you can put the menus up the top of the screen like MacOS
[11:39] <ForgeAus> lol mine I always thought that was strange too
[11:39] <ForgeAus> also FILE menu's
[11:39] <ForgeAus> they should be application or program menus mostly
[11:39] <codyt> Meh, I'm picky about things using up space on my desktop.
[11:39] <larson9999> ForgeAus: and i like how you can leave them at the bottom :)
[11:40] <codyt> Have my panels set to be hidden.
[11:40] <ForgeAus> sure you SAVE or LOAD or OPEN a file... but you don't necessarily EXIT a file to close the program
[11:40] <one> why doesnt work ssl on this irc server ?
[11:40] <naser> i try to use klik software (to install software in one click) but i cant install any software :S
[11:40] <mineur> you're telling big secrets here one? :)
[11:40] <larson9999> funny, on the mainframe i like the command line at the top
[11:41] <one> mineur it is my fault or does the server doesnt support ssl ?
[11:41] <mineur> yay another Belgian guy :p
[11:41] <Linux_Galore> I cant seem to get libqt2-mt-dev to install
[11:41] <mineur> it's the server I guess
[11:41] <codyt> I keep my konsole borderless, streched across the bottom of the screen just above my main panel
[11:41] <Linux_Galore> keeps running me around in circles
[11:41] <pip`> Belgium ROCKS
[11:41] <naser>  i try to use klik software (to install software in one click) but i cant install any software :S
[11:41] <naser> how can i install it ??
[11:41] <one> hehe
[11:41] <mineur> sometimes :)
[11:42] <stamen> !hlurm
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hlurm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <stamen> what was the program for console to see the network badth
[11:42] <Linux_Galore> apt keeps complaining about mesa libs then I look at the libs and the repo seems to have conflicts in file version
[11:42] <Linux_Galore> s
[11:44] <codyt> any recommended IRC clients aside from Konversation and XChat?
[11:45] <mineur> kopete?
[11:45] <one> gaim ?
[11:45] <larson9999> Linux_Galore: libqt2-mt-dev doesn't even show for me when i do apt-cache search libqt.  only 3 and 4
[11:45] <snowrichard> irssi
[11:45] <codyt> IRC-specific.
[11:45] <codyt> Ooo, i had forgotten about irssi
[11:46] <Linux_Galore> larson9999: libqt3-mt-dev  no one uses qt2 anymore
[11:46] <larson9999> Linux_Galore: actually only libqt3-mt-dev when i put in the mt
[11:46] <larson9999> linux_: oh, you said 2.
[11:46] <Linux_Galore> larson9999: yeah, but it then complains about mesa, If i look at mesa the dev package doesnt match the common package version
[11:47] <snowrichard> try updating your package list?
[11:47] <Linux_Galore> done all that, still getting package version conflicts
[11:47] <larson9999> Linux_Galore: it installed for me with no probs
[11:48] <larson9999> Linux_Galore: which mesa dev package?
[11:49] <mineur> I wish kopete would extend their dcop interface :(
[11:49] <Linux_Galore> good example libglu1-mesa  is  6.5.1-20060824   libglu1-mesa-dev is 6.5.1-20060817  they conflict for some reason, I cant get qt-mt-dev in because it cant get mesa to match up
[11:52] <larson9999> Linux_Galore: both of those packages are installed here, too.
[11:52] <Linux_Galore> I get libqt3-mt-dev: Depends libglimesa-dev   it makes no sense
[11:52] <Linux_Galore> sorry libg1imesa-dev
[11:52] <Linux_Galore> grr
[11:52] <Linux_Galore> sorry libg1mesa-dev
[11:53] <Linux_Galore> got that installed
[11:54] <Linux_Galore> larson9999: second mesa one wont install, spits the dummy
[11:55] <mineur> is there another msn client then amsn which offers the auto-message feature when someone messages me?
[11:55] <larson9999> time to make the doughnuts
[11:56] <mineur> I wanted to make it myself for kopete with a shellscript and dcop... but the dcop interface for kopete doesn't provide enough functionality :(
[11:56] <Linux_Galore> bloody kubuntu repo has a package conflict, ffs
[11:56] <Linux_Galore> if youy update the mesa packages make sure the bloody dev ones match
[11:58] <badth`> donuts??!
[11:59] <codyt> neat, a debian livecd for PS3
[12:02] <cico> jj
[12:04] <marion> hallo
[12:06] <naser> i install dpkg package (dpkg -i <package name.deb> how to delete this package ??
[12:06] <naser> ???
[12:07] <mineur> apt-get remove package
[12:08] <nate_> alrighty im back and yay i got it working
[12:08] <nate_> but it only works under 16colours? and its not as smooth as i was hoping :(, i mean i have a killer systems, is there some things im missing
[12:10] <ForgeAus> I can't wait till trillian goes astra!
[12:10] <ForgeAus> if/when it does that is
[12:10] <naser> the package name is limewire how to delete it /?
[12:10] <codyt> astra?
[12:10] <ForgeAus> there *may* be a linux port then
[12:10] <codyt> ohhh
[12:10] <codyt> Yeah.
[12:10] <codyt> I do like trillian, but it has some bugs.
[12:10] <nate_> alrighty i got beryl working, but its only working in 16colours, and dosnt seem as smooth as i was hoping this is on edgy using built in AIGXL
[12:10] <codyt> esp. with file transfer.
[12:11] <ForgeAus> most of that should be fixed for the astra release but you never know
[12:11] <ForgeAus> problem is its shareware (there might be a free vers but there WILL be a pay one too
[12:11] <codyt> or, in my ex's case, any time she pastes a link, it's broken into pieces, or is random characters.
[12:12] <codyt> Yeah.. I can't see myself paying so that I can use some pro-only skins.
[12:12] <codyt> that, and plugins, I think it was.
[12:13] <ForgeAus> the free version is ok, I just didn't like how it didn't support yahoo profiles thats all
[12:13] <ForgeAus> the pro version is much more lush I must admit but funtionally aside from plugins, nothing too far wrong with it
[12:13] <codyt> Nah, I like it.
[12:13] <ForgeAus> just some webcam/voice/file transfer stuff doesn't work depending on what network you conenct to
[12:13] <codyt> didn't pay for it, but I like it.
[12:14] <codyt> file transfer was the only thing I had trouble with, but I never really tried mic||cam.
[12:17] <crazy_bus> My KDE taskbar crashed and wont reopen.  I don't want to reboot and I was wondering what command I could type to load it again
[12:18] <ForgeAus> kicker?
[12:18] <ForgeAus> I think thats it
[12:18] <codyt> I think so.
[12:18] <ForgeAus> but no guarantees it wont crash again
[12:18] <crazy_bus> thanks it loaded
[12:18] <drarem> can i set up my kubuntu laptop to have a static IP?
[12:19] <ForgeAus> drarem probably
[12:19] <drarem> 192.168.xx.xx
[12:19] <ForgeAus> in system settings somewhere
[12:19] <ForgeAus> if theres no network settings its probably int eh advanced section you'll need administrator mode to CHANGE anything tho
[12:20] <mineur> of course drarem in system settings
[12:20] <tobi_> I want to copy a folder into another, but I am not the owner. Login as root is not allowed, any idea to handle this prob?
[12:20] <mineur> with sudo
[12:21] <codyt> if you had sudo access, otherwise you'd have to talk to the administrator.
[12:21] <codyt> have, not had.
[12:21] <tobi_> i can use sudo, but what is the command to copy a folder into another?
[12:22] <codyt> cp
[12:22] <stdin> cp -r directory otherdirectory
[12:22] <codyt> er, yeah.
[12:22] <tobi_> thx
[12:23] <naser> i have a lot of dpkg files and hard to install it-how i can install it automatic ??
[12:23] <codyt> use your manpages when you can.    "man -k copy" would search for commands that have "copy" in the description.
[12:24] <stdin> naser: if they are all in 1 directory, you can do this "sudo dpkg -i *.deb"
[12:24] <tobi_> codyt: i will , thx
[12:24] <codyt> np
[12:24] <tobias_> what is jack lib?
[12:24] <tobias_> and why does wine wine about it and say my soundcard sucks and I should install jack lib?
[12:24] <tobias_> :)
[12:25] <naudy> hello
[12:25] <tobias_> hello
[12:25] <tobias_> :)
[12:25] <naudy> :)
[12:25] <tobias_> oh Im in the wrong chan
[12:25] <tobias_> I joined #winehq
[12:25] <codyt> haha
[12:25] <codyt> (:
[12:25] <tobias_> but forgot to change the channel window
[12:26] <tobias_> :)
[12:26] <tobias_> I love kubuntu! I got heroes3 to work in wine, until it crashed and wined about jack lib
[12:26] <stdin> !find libjack
[12:26] <ubotu> Found: libjack0.100.0-0, libjack0.100.0-dev, libjackasyn-dev, libjackasyn0
[12:27] <codyt> stdin, where is that searching?
[12:27] <stdin> edgy probably
[12:27] <codyt> no jacklib in my apt-cache
[12:28] <stdin> codyt: libjack not jacklib :)
[12:28] <codyt> oh well.
[12:28] <codyt> er
[12:28] <codyt> libjack
[12:28] <codyt> yeah, I typed it correctly in konsole.
[12:28] <stdin> !info libjack0.100.0-0
[12:28] <ubotu> libjack0.100.0-0: JACK Audio Connection Kit (libraries). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.101.1-1 (edgy), package size 69 kB, installed size 244 kB
[12:29] <stdin> it's in universe
[12:29] <codyt> hrm..
[12:29] <drarem> ..
[12:29] <naser> in konsole -i am in /home/user/Desktop - how can i go to /home/user ??
[12:29] <ForgeAus> cd ../user
[12:30] <ForgeAus> wait
[12:30] <ForgeAus> sorry
[12:30] <ForgeAus> cd ..
[12:30] <stdin> naser: "cd" will go to your home dir
[12:30] <stdin> naser: "cd .." will go one directory up
[12:30] <codyt> and to think I had been typing "cd ~"
[12:30] <ForgeAus> (I didn't realize Desktop was under /user/ besides its probably usr...
[12:30] <stdin> ~ = $HOME
[12:30] <codyt> yeah.
[12:31] <stdin> you can also do "cd $HOME" :P
[12:31] <ForgeAus> or cd ~
[12:31] <codyt> too much work.
[12:31] <Christoph_vW> hi
[12:31] <codyt> hi
[12:31] <ForgeAus> hey Chris :)
[12:31] <Christoph_vW> which kernel is kubuntu using?
[12:31] <Kabal> I've downloaded 7.04 herd2 but install icon on desktop won't work.. install is not started.. anyone know about this?
[12:31] <stdin> Christoph_vW: depends which version of kubuntu you install
[12:31] <Christoph_vW> I need a at least <IP_ADDRESS> or above
[12:32] <codyt> You can update thte kernel, as well.
[12:32] <codyt> the*
[12:32] <stdin> Kabal: #ubuntu+1 for feisty issues
[12:32] <Christoph_vW> no, I can not update when I can not install
[12:32] <Kabal> stdin: thanx
[12:32] <stdin> Edgy has 2.6.17, feisty is on 2.6.20 atm
[12:33] <ForgeAus> stdin just curious is there a diff between edgy and edgy eft?
[12:33] <ForgeAus> or is edgy just short for edgy eft?
[12:33] <stdin> ForgeAus: just shorter to type :)
[12:33] <Christoph_vW> 2.6.20 should support my hardware
[12:34] <stdin> like feisty is feisty fawn
[12:34] <codyt> hrm, edgy  universe is in my sources.list
[12:34] <stdin> dapper = dapper dreke
[12:34] <ForgeAus> fiesty fawn? I thought it was fiesty herd
[12:34] <stdin> etc....
[12:34] <codyt> but no libjack
[12:34] <stdin> ForgeAus: herd is the code for the alphas
[12:34] <ForgeAus> at first I thought herd had something to do with hurd!
[12:35] <stdin> ForgeAus: the two words always start with the same letter :)
[12:35] <ForgeAus> yeah in dapper drake and edgy eft they do
[12:35] <ForgeAus> so is there going to be a beta of feisty? the release will be fawn?
[12:36] <stdin> Feisty Fawn is the full name of Feisty
[12:36] <codyt> hrm, in my sources.list there's one line that says "edgy main restricted" and another that's "edgy universe"
[12:36] <codyt> Should the universe be with the other one?
[12:37] <ForgeAus> you can add multiverse to it too codyt if you want
[12:37] <stdin> !repos
[12:37] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:37] <Linux_Galore> codyt: you can merge them by making it   edgy main restricted universe multiverse
[12:37] <codyt> but it isn't necessary?
[12:37] <ForgeAus> no not necessary
[12:38] <codyt> hrm.
[12:38] <codyt> Dunno why it's not finding libjack, then.
[12:38] <codyt> if libjack was in universe.
[12:38] <ForgeAus> the only necessary bit is the deb reposurl and one of main restricted universe multiverse after it
[12:38] <ForgeAus> they can be on separate lines or the same one... doesnt matter
[12:38] <ForgeAus> debsrc is an option too..
[12:39] <codyt> Yeah.
[12:39] <eross> can i disable the touchpad on my laptop
[12:39] <eross> or reduce the sensitivity
[12:39] <ForgeAus> eross that may depend on the laptop you have? I'm not sure
[12:40] <Linux_Galore> codyt: ok there are 5 seperate core directories   edgy,  edgy-updates, edgy-backports, edgy-proposed, edgy-security , each on has a sub section called  main restricted universe multivers   so you should have 5 lines
[12:40] <eross> gateway
[12:40] <ForgeAus> edgy proposed? I didn't know about that one
[12:40] <eross> 7320
[12:41] <eross> xorg.conf file?
[12:41] <stdin> you don't need proposed, and it's not always used on releases, only on development versions
[12:41] <Christoph_vW> I only found one single mirror for feisty... and it is slow as hell
[12:41] <ForgeAus> hmmm is synaptic (not the package manager) something to do with touchpads?
[12:41] <Linux_Galore> multiverse*
[12:41] <stdin> Christoph_vW: ALL the ubuntu mirrors have feisty on them
[12:41] <Christoph_vW> ForgeAus: yes
[12:42] <eross> i see a synaptics touchpad, do i just comment out the entire block?
[12:42] <ForgeAus> maybe eross would benefit from it...
[12:42] <ForgeAus> eross I suggest you read it before you comment it out
[12:43] <ForgeAus> or better yet go into system settings and see if theres input device configuration in there (does the touchpad sensitivity equate to mouse sensitivity? you may be able to manage it there)
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> I have two extra lines that i usually add   deb  http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu    edgy-commercial  main    and    deb  http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/   edgy  free  none-free
[12:44] <ForgeAus> medibuntu?
[12:44] <Christoph_vW> as far as I can see only the US mirror has feisty
[12:44] <Linux_Galore> ForgeAus: not so legal codecs
[12:44] <stdin> Christoph_vW: every ubuntu mirror has feisty, all of them
 dvd <cough>
[12:45] <ForgeAus> vlc gives you wmv codecks right?
[12:45] <ForgeAus> grr codecs
[12:45] <ForgeAus> damn typos
[12:45] <Linux_Galore> ForgeAus: no thats win32codecs
[12:45] <stdin> w32codecs provides wmv
[12:46] <ForgeAus> hmmm I had to install vlc for it to work
[12:46] <stdin> Kaffeine works with w32codecs
[12:46] <Christoph_vW> stdin: found in on the UK mirrow too - it is at least 8 times faster - but still slow
[12:46] <ForgeAus> I tried that... didn't work for some reason
[12:46] <Linux_Galore> ForgeAus: usually if you have xine  xine-extracodecs  and mplayer and vlc installed you should be able to play just about anything
[12:47] <ForgeAus> Linux I do have all them
[12:47] <ForgeAus> everything works now
[12:47] <ForgeAus> that I've tried
[12:47] <stdin> Christoph_vW: trust me here, all the mirrors have it, they all just sync with the main ubuntu one
[12:47] <codyt> I just unstalled the mplayer's "all-in-one" package.
[12:47] <Linux_Galore> ForgeAus: only idiots use windows codecs in video rips
[12:47] <ForgeAus> I went to a site that had a relatively new version wmv file I wanted to see
[12:48] <Linux_Galore> ForgeAus: they are usually biger than xvid and lower res because it uses so cpu resources
[12:48] <Linux_Galore> so much*
[12:48] <ForgeAus> well I can always convert them if I want to d/l or something
[12:48] <ForgeAus> but all I wanted to do was view
[12:48] <ForgeAus> its not upt o me WHAT codec they choose to encode it with
[12:48] <ForgeAus> I just have to have the appropriate one to view it
[12:48] <codyt> and so many do use wmv.
[12:49] <Linux_Galore> ForgeAus: I swap stuff with friends and none of them have windows files
[12:49] <Linux_Galore> codyt: never seen a wmv file yet at a swap meet
[12:49] <codyt> that's good
[12:49] <ForgeAus> I agree its good!
[12:50] <codyt> but videos online are often in wmv
[12:50] <Linux_Galore> codyt: got tons of stuff not one with wmv and no one has given me a wmv file in 6 years
[12:50] <ForgeAus> avi wmv mov avi and asf are formats I've come across commonly
[12:50] <Linux_Galore> codyt: nope, mostly avi
[12:50] <ForgeAus> of course divx is implied in there somewhere I'm sure
[12:50] <Linux_Galore> avi,mp4,mkv  wmv is for nubes
[12:50] <codyt> hah
[12:50] <codyt> a
[12:51] <codyt> I see more of mp(e)g than anything
[12:51] <codyt> avi seconds that.
[12:51] <Linux_Galore> mkv is turning up allot lately
[12:51] <codyt> not one I'm familiar with.
[12:52] <Linux_Galore> its used for anime
[12:52] <codyt> then again, I don't do a whole lot with video, seeing how I have a poor connection.
[12:52] <ForgeAus> oh yeah I forgot mpg/mpeg
[12:52] <ForgeAus> I havn't heard of mkv till now
[12:52] <ForgeAus> is that like a cbz cbr -like format for vids?
[12:52] <codyt> I'd like to find a good resource for OGG files.
[12:52] <Linux_Galore> codyt: wmv files are larger than most other file formats, so if you have dial up its a crap format to use
[12:53] <ForgeAus> LG sounds right
[12:53] <codyt> That may be true, but there aren't always options.
[12:53] <ForgeAus> I'm no fan of wmv
[12:53] <ForgeAus> I just needed it for some vids thats all
[12:53] <codyt> Oh, agreed.
[12:53] <Linux_Galore> codyt: dont laugh, most games use ogg for sound these days to avoid license costs
[12:53] <ForgeAus> cbz and cbr are basically just zip and rar files just for comic books
[12:53] <codyt> yeah.
[12:53] <Linux_Galore> ogg = free
[12:53] <codyt> Yep.<3
[12:53] <Linux_Galore> mp3 = licensed
[12:54] <ForgeAus> is mkv a mpeg or divx or avi or something thats just for anime?
[12:54] <codyt> ogg sounds better for ripped sound, as well.
[12:54] <Linux_Galore> ForgeAus: no you get lots of movies that are avi
[12:54] <codyt> have all my CDs on my hard drive.
[12:55] <Linux_Galore> I would say 80% of my stuff now is xvid.avi now
[12:55] <Christoph_vW> btw. is multimonitor support working with nVidia cards on Linux?
[12:55] <codyt> Should be.
[12:55] <Christoph_vW> (two Geforce cards, 3 monitors)
[12:55] <Linux_Galore> Christoph_vW: yes, bit fidly though
[12:55] <andreasw> depends on the bitrate
[12:56] <andreasw> even mp3s can sound transparent if you set the bitrate high enough
[12:56] <codyt> Yeah.
[12:56] <codyt> That is true.
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> andreasw: not always, Ive seen people rip 192k that sound like rubbish because the system didnt have enough resources
[12:56] <andreasw> But I also prefer ogg because I have a portable player which supports ogg vorbis so there is no reason to stay with mp3
[12:56] <codyt> ogg's still free
[12:57] <andreasw> Linux_Galore: for lame you need 254kb to make it sound transparent
[12:57] <codyt> mp3s available for download are often 128kb
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> yeah, 128k is total rubbish
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> people who pay for it are fools
[12:57] <codyt> plenty of artifacts.
[12:57] <codyt> haha
[12:57] <codyt> Well
[12:57] <codyt> A lot of people can't tell the difference.
[12:58] <codyt> I got use to CD quality, though.  So I can't stand 128kbs mp3s.
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> codyt: Ive done that test and they "can", depends on what your using to play the stuff
[12:58] <codyt> let me rephrase that: Most people I've talked to say they can't tell the difference.
[12:59] <codyt> my brother, on the other hand, who has a good ear for music, hates mp3s.
[12:59] <codyt> He'd rather use 52MB .wav files.
[12:59] <andreasw> It depends on the speakers or headphones if they here a difference or not
[12:59] <Linux_Galore> codyt: get a decent 7.1 system with good speakers and play 320k and 128k rips of the same song, trust me the difference is like apples and oranges
[12:59] <codyt> which he does, but that's just because I haven't got him using FLAC or OGg yet.
[01:00] <codyt> Linux_Galore, I have no trouble telling the difference with my $120 headphones.
[01:00] <andreasw> The question is do I always need highest quality?
[01:00] <Linux_Galore> codyt: I cant stand 128k its sounds flat to me
[01:00] <codyt> yeah.
[01:00] <andreasw> when I run I don't need high quality
[01:01] <Linux_Galore> 160 and Im so so 192k and Im fine
[01:01] <fr0sted> hello. how can i check if kubuntu does support my processors hyper threading ?
[01:01] <codyt> I'm a guitarist, and sound quality is everything to me.
[01:01] <Linux_Galore> 320k and Im in heaven
[01:02] <Linux_Galore> codyt: are you tone sensitive, ie you cant stand sitting there with a speaker not setup properly
[01:02] <crazy_bus> I downloaded a .swf file and for some reason I can't play it.  Can anyone help me watch it?
[01:02] <Linux_Galore> when they send me to hell I will spend eternity in front of a Walmart stereo
[01:02] <codyt> more than likely, but I haven't had a lot of experience with that.
[01:02] <codyt> hahaha
[01:03] <andreasw> fr0sted: well you have to activate it via a boot parameter
[01:03] <andreasw> fr0sted: do you use edgy oder dapper?
[01:03] <fr0sted> edgy is 6.10 ? (6.10 is what i use)
[01:03] <andreasw> yep
[01:03] <andreasw> you need a smp kernel too
[01:04] <andreasw> thats the generic one in edgy
[01:04] <PhibreOptix> Hi guys
[01:04] <PhibreOptix> Anybody know why my ubuntu keeps freezing when I leave it idle?
[01:04] <andreasw> fr0sted: and you have to put ht=on to the boot options
[01:04] <codyt> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[01:04] <codyt> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/multiverse/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[01:05] <fr0sted> andreasw,  good question, is there a file that i have to edit ?
[01:06] <andreasw> fr0sted: yes /boot/grub/menu.lst there you have to find the line that looks like kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda5 ro quiet splash
[01:06] <andreasw> fr0sted: hda5 could be something else for you
[01:07] <fr0sted> yes got it
[01:07] <andreasw> fr0sted: than you append ht=on
[01:07] <fr0sted> and on the same line with that i add ht=on
[01:07] <andreasw> fr0sted: behind splash
[01:07] <fr0sted> okie dokie
[01:07] <andreasw> yes
[01:07] <andreasw> Do you have more kernel versions than the generic one?
[01:07] <fr0sted> hold on, i will tell u now :)
[01:08] <fr0sted> although i dont think so cause thats whta my grub shows , generic only
[01:08] <andreasw> ok
[01:08] <andreasw> than you can try your new config by rebooting
[01:08] <andreasw> and if things go wrong just boot in safe mode
[01:08] <fr0sted> no its the generic
[01:09] <andreasw> ok perfect
[01:09] <fr0sted> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic , root            (hd1,0) ,kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet splash
[01:09] <fr0sted> well then there is recovery mode. but thats not what we need
[01:10] <andreasw> yes that is the right kernel
[01:10] <andreasw> now you only need the ht=on behind splash
[01:10] <fr0sted> did put it
[01:10] <fr0sted> next restart will show
[01:11] <andreasw> ok hopefully we will see us again in a view seconds ^^
[01:11] <fr0sted> will i see in the proccess table app , like 2 cpus running ?
[01:11] <fr0sted> ehehehe :) i will reboot later .
[01:11] <andreasw> I have no idea I don't have a hyperthreading cpu
[01:11] <fr0sted> ok:)
[01:12] <andreasw> I am a poor student with an athlon-xp 2800+ ^^
[01:12] <PhibreOptix> Anybody know why my ubuntu keeps freezing when I leave it idle?
[01:12] <intelikey> what would a cdrecord command look like to add a second session to a cdr ?
[01:13] <andreasw> PhibreOptix: Sorry I have no idea. Did you check your memory with memtest86+ so we can except a hardware defect
[01:13] <codyt> Perhaps a bad screen saver?
[01:14] <intelikey> PhibreOptix check    ps -A x     i have see a bug that respawns something repetedly  "run away process"
[01:15] <andreasw> or maybe powermanagement ;)
[01:15] <codyt> making fun?
[01:15] <PhibreOptix> andreasw: Yes I did memtest it was fine
[01:16] <andreasw> PhibreOptix: hmm do you know whether strg + alt + f1 works to change to the console
[01:16] <andreasw> PhibreOptix: just want to find out if only the GUI hangs or the hole operating system
[01:16] <codyt> strg?
[01:16] <codyt> hrm.
[01:16] <andreasw> arg ctrl ^^
[01:16] <andreasw> in german its called strg ;)
[01:17] <codyt> Ah.
[01:17] <PhibreOptix> andreasw: It goes, and then when I type in my username to login, it freezes there aswell before asking for the password
[01:17] <antonio_> ciao qualcuno usa moblock?
[01:17] <naser> my Sound Card was working 100% but now i cant play music in my system :S
[01:17] <naser> how i repire this problem ?
[01:17] <andreasw> PhibreOptix: could you find anything in the logs eg /var/log/messages
[01:18] <andreasw> !it | antonio_
[01:18] <ubotu> antonio_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:19] <naser> my Sound Card was working 100% but now i cant play music in my system :S
[01:19] <naser> what to do ?
[01:19] <andreasw> can you use the mixer?
[01:19] <naser> yes
[01:20] <andreasw> naser: are master and pcm unmuted?
[01:20] <naser> i dont understand :pcm
[01:20] <naser> what mean pcm
[01:21] <andreasw> its for normal sound playback
[01:21] <andreasw> open the mixer and you will see it
[01:21] <naser> yes
[01:21] <crazy_bus> I've downloaded a .swf which for some reason wont convert to theora.  What is a good player to watch it in?
[01:21] <andreasw> naser: So both are unmuted?
[01:21] <naser> yeds
[01:22] <naser> yes *
[01:22] <andreasw> naser: Since when do you have the problem?
[01:22] <codyt> crazy_bus, linux.softpedia.com might have an SWF player listed
[01:22] <PhibreOptix> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1932/   That's what happens each time before it freezes when it's idle
[01:22] <naser> whe i try to play song in xmms or in any playback
[01:22] <naser> i see this message :
[01:23] <PhibreOptix> crazy_bus: You could just watch it locally through firefox
[01:23] <naser> plaease check that :your soundcard is configured properly you have to correct
[01:23] <simon__> is there any way to recive files with kopete?
[01:23] <naser> output plugin selected
[01:23] <simon__> i just get an error
[01:23] <simon__> k
[01:23] <andreasw> naser: does sound in amarok work?
[01:23] <naser> No other program is blocked the soundcard
[01:23] <naser> xmms -*
[01:25] <Synthetic_420> ok, can someone help me please?
[01:25] <naser> no not amarok it's xmms
[01:26] <codyt> we can try
[01:26] <Synthetic_420> i have ubuntu, but I tried to upgrade to kde
[01:26] <Synthetic_420> i installed all packages required
[01:26] <andreasw> naser: yes but test it with amarok whether it works there
[01:26] <Synthetic_420> that is with KDE tag
[01:26] <andreasw> naser: or try to use another output plugin in xmms like artsdsp
[01:26] <naser> i dont have sound not only in xmms but in all the system
[01:27] <Synthetic_420> and when it starts, the splash screen says Kubntu
[01:27] <Synthetic_420> but, it's obviously still gnome
[01:27] <Synthetic_420> lil help plz, gettin sick of gnome
[01:27] <PhibreOptix> Synthetic_420: At the login screen, there is an option to change which display manager to use, are you sure that you ticket KDE instead?
[01:28] <codyt> when you're logging in, under "menu" it should have "session type"  see if you can select KDE from there
[01:28] <Synthetic_420> lemme see *swiches session*
[01:29] <andreasw> naser: yes but it is strange that you can use the mixer but don't have sound
[01:29] <Synthetic_420> oh, wait, ugh I hate gnome
[01:29] <Synthetic_420> brb
[01:30] <codyt> might be possible that there is a program running in the background that's locking the sound?
[01:30] <codyt> one that didn't terminate properly.
[01:31] <intelikey> don't try that  at home  6
[01:31] <codyt> :)
[01:31] <intelikey> but killall blah   is not so bad
[01:31] <codyt> nah.
[01:32] <codyt> listing the processes first might help.
[01:32] <intelikey> no need
[01:32] <intelikey> killall artsd
[01:32] <intelikey> :)
[01:32] <codyt> might not be artsd, though.
[01:33] <Christoph_vW> yay... feisty detected my DVD drive
[01:33] <intelikey> true.  but if it's an app i bet it's using arts        "of course i could loose that bet"
[01:33] <Christoph_vW> and my NIC too :)
[01:33] <codyt> good point.
[01:34] <intelikey> but kill -9 -1 will get it    lol  >:]
[01:34] <codyt> -9 -1?
[01:34] <stdin> so will shutdown -r now
[01:34] <codyt> haha
[01:35] <intelikey> yeah but i don't like to reboot
[01:35] <stdin> init 1 then
[01:35] <Christoph_vW> but it did not detected my RAID set...
[01:35] <laz> codyt: brilliant, thank you
[01:35] <intelikey> killall5
[01:35] <codyt> what'd I do?
[01:35] <Synthetic420> lol
[01:35] <Synthetic420> codyt: brilliant, thank you
[01:35] <codyt> oh
[01:36] <Synthetic420> can't beleive it was that simple
[01:36] <Synthetic420> are there any other DEs that ubuntu supports?
[01:36] <codyt> fluxbox, enlightenment, windowmaker
[01:36] <codyt> something along those lines.
[01:37] <Synthetic420> which do you reccomend for a KDE fan?
[01:37] <codyt> KDE.
[01:37] <Synthetic420> i'm trying to explore linux
[01:37] <Synthetic420> been too strict windwos
[01:37] <intelikey> other than what ?    blackbox fluxbox kde icewm fvwm fvwm85 xfce4 twm 'nome ....   other than what ?
[01:37] <codyt> I've used gnome, kde and enlightentment.
[01:38] <codyt> yeah.. there are a few.
[01:38] <codyt> Forgot about blackbox, not famliar with most of the others.
[01:38] <intelikey> list was not exhostive btw
[01:38] <Synthetic420> ok, lemme ask this, which has good looks, performance, software, wireless support, and battery support?
[01:38] <andreasw> a little bit offtopic but does someone know an open source shop software?
[01:38] <Synthetic420> * good battery support
[01:38] <codyt> Synthetic420, you might just want to look at screenshots of the various window managers
[01:39] <Synthetic420> ok
[01:39] <Christoph_vW> how can I install on a RAID-0?
[01:39] <Synthetic420> thx for the help
[01:39] <codyt> Most of the ones I've looked at, I prefered the look of KDE.
[01:39] <stdin> Christoph_vW: I think you need to alternate CD for that
[01:39] <Christoph_vW> I have it
[01:39] <Synthetic420> codyt: one last question, are they all supported on PPC also?  I'm runnin on an iBook
[01:40] <codyt> that I'm not sure of.
[01:40] <drarem> sexcess!!!    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=143095
[01:40] <Christoph_vW> but it displays SCSI1 and SCSI2 in partioning dialog
[01:40] <Christoph_vW> instead of the Array
[01:40] <drarem> synclient TouchpadOff=1
[01:40] <Synthetic420> alright, well thanks, I'll take a look and report if i like any
[01:40] <codyt> alright. (:
[01:40] <intelikey> anyone burn cd's from the commandline ?
[01:41] <codyt> can't say that I have.
[01:42] <intelikey> was wondering if there was anything i over looked here...
[01:42] <intelikey> cdrecord -tao -multi -waiti -eject dev=0,4,0  /dev/scd0  -data
[01:42] <jbasilio> anyone know technical details behind how kubuntu mounts removable media?  i've been tracking it like an ioslave but it doesn't appear to use this code
[01:42] <Christoph_vW> I am using ICH8R (Intel Matrix RAID) in RAID-0 mode
[01:42] <stdin> Christoph_vW: never installed on raid, but found  this http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html
[01:43] <Christoph_vW> doesn't help here :(
[01:43] <codyt> Man, I wish I had the money to have a computer with RAID and such.
[01:44] <codyt> two GeForce cards
[01:44] <codyt> 3 monitors
[01:44] <codyt> although, I am grateful to have the computer that I do have.
[01:44] <SoulKeeper_p> hi all
[01:44] <codyt> My brother's computer was put together with a bunch of old parts, and barely runs Win98
[01:45] <Christoph_vW> codyt: I need to work with it - now I have a fast system - but no gcc...
[01:45] <codyt> I'd really hate to have no gcc...
[01:45] <Christoph_vW> The only system I managed to install on it was Windows Vista x64 so far - but gcc isn't working on Vista
[01:46] <codyt> I probably won't even touch a Vista system for a year or so.
[01:46] <dannybuntu> whats with the vista thing anyway?
[01:46] <codyt> Mom'll still be using XP (or hopefully linux), and I'll be using my Kubuntu
[01:47] <dannybuntu> i mean vista is ridiculously expensive
[01:47] <intelikey> codyt "My brother's computer was put together with a bunch of old parts,"   this one was too.   and as for the "barely runs Win98"   hehhe it'll run on this box but why would i ?     :)
[01:47] <jbasilio> codyt: vista is pretty nice actually.  a little weird at first but i've been running media center on it with another PC and it never goes down (don't stress it too much)
[01:48] <jbasilio> codyt: raid is easy to setup within linux .. software raid that is.  maybe "easy" is a bit of an overstatement but it doesn't cost anything except the drive
[01:48] <codyt> intelikey: I tried to boot up my LiveCDs on it, but I don't think his BIOS supports boot-from CD
[01:48] <intelikey> :)
[01:48] <dannybuntu> codyt: now that is old
[01:48] <codyt> haha
[01:48] <intelikey> that's what floppys are for
[01:48] <dannybuntu> codyt: boot from floppy?
[01:48] <dannybuntu> lol
[01:49] <codyt> That was going to be my next project.
[01:49] <codyt> Didn't have the resources available at the time, had just got back home from FL, and all my stuff was still packed in bags.
[01:49] <intelikey> all you need is the kernel and initrd.img on the floppy and a syslinux "chainloader"
[01:50] <intelikey> ah wait.  initrd.img on a floppy    that's right ubuntu made that impossable
[01:50] <codyt> yeah, but I wanted a graphical environment for him to use.
[01:50] <intelikey> the initrd is like 4.5m uncompressed
[01:51] <codyt> Once I manage to get a job, and save up some money
[01:51] <codyt> I'll build a new computer for myself, and give him this computer
[01:51] <intelikey> you'd need somebody else's kernel.  can't use a ubuntu kernel and boot from a floppy.
[01:51] <Christoph_vW> I just found a thread in debian forums about Intel RAID - the only answer was: use Linux software RAID instead
[01:51] <Christoph_vW> but then I can not dual boot with Windows anymore
[01:52] <codyt> I have unpatched kernel sources.
[01:52] <drarem> I need to format a harddrive with linux and send it to my brother - his went up in smoke - should I send him 6.06 or is 6.10 stable enough
[01:52] <codyt> From when I updated my Gentoo to 2.6.17
[01:52] <codyt> back then, I didn't have internet on this box
[01:52] <codyt> had to move everything with CDRWs.
[01:53] <intelikey> 2.6.17 and "didn't have internet on this box"     eeek
[01:53] <codyt> hahahaha
[01:54] <intelikey> that was like,  months ago
[01:54] <codyt> Yes.
[01:54] <waylandbill> high tech sneaker net. :-D
[01:54] <codyt> I couldn't get this box to connect even when it was running windows that had been preconfigured.
[01:54] <codyt> Never did resolve the issue.
[01:55] <codyt> I got this box for free, because my brother-in-law thought it was worthless
[01:55] <codyt> All the "experts" told him it had a bad powersource..
[01:55] <intelikey> good price...
[01:55] <codyt> But, the heatsink onthe processor just needed to be cleaned out.
[01:55] <codyt> Told him it sounded like it was getting overheated, but he didn't believe me.
[01:56] <codyt> Runs great now.
[01:56] <waylandbill> nothing's worthless. you don't know how much it's worth to have a stress reliever and a hammer.
[01:56] <mebsd> which one is better between dvd and cd version?
[01:56] <codyt> He had actually upgraded this a couple of times (outdated now)
[01:57] <Christoph_vW> the RAID controller should work with dmraid - but how do I use it?
[01:57] <vytautas> "libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x42", is it fixable?
[01:57] <vytautas> edgy
[01:57] <codyt> AMD Athlon XP 1700, 512MB of RAM, 200GB HD space, and a GeForce FX 5200
[01:57] <intelikey> codyt computers are "outdated" when they reach the store...    if you try to keep up M$ will have you right where they want you.
[01:58] <codyt> I like that. (:
[01:58] <stdin> vytautas: no, it means you hardware doesn't support one of the openGL extentions, just ignore it
[01:58] <vytautas> sad :P
[01:58] <stdin> mebsd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions#head-f7a1accd6e8e139773b9b334f964e209b6d9ff84
[01:59] <tibbar> !samba tibbar
[01:59] <ubotu> samba: a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 2836 kB, installed size 7200 kB
[01:59] <stdin> vytautas: it's no big deal, I get that error
[01:59] <intelikey> see the folks at M$ believe they should collect $1000.00  from every individule on the planet each year.     i disagree.  they got my $244.95   and that's all they ever will get from me.
[01:59] <vytautas> ye, but i have err, "such thing" in blender
[01:59] <tibbar> !share
[01:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about share - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:59] <vytautas> its not very convenient
[01:59] <codyt> I can honestly say I've never given any money to M$
[02:00] <stdin> codyt: ever bought a PC with windows preinstalled ?
[02:00] <codyt> The XP box next to me is owned by my mother's boss, technically
[02:00] <codyt> nope
[02:00] <codyt> never bought a PC period.
[02:00] <waylandbill> I was forced to... I give it to compaq and compaq gives it to M$. :-/
[02:00] <intelikey> codyt you can't say you've been using computers for the last 27 years though can you ?
[02:01] <codyt> That'd be a neat trick.
[02:01] <codyt> I'm only 17
[02:02] <intelikey> ok 20 years from now if you still haven't given M$ anything then you have bragging rights.
[02:02] <codyt> with what I've learned, though, I won't buy a prebuilt PC unless it's a No-OS, or a preinstalled Linux box.
[02:02] <waylandbill> they make good input devices, but I bet that work is farmed out.
[02:02] <xsport>  !      !  ! =)
[02:03] <codyt> Even if it's preinstalled linux (probably red hat), I'll probably install the distro of my choice.
[02:03] <ForgeAus> cyalll trying zipslack outside of VMware
[02:03] <jbasilio> codyt: problem is some of the deals for hardware are cheap as hell ... i got a new computer for $300 a year ago ... cheaper than i could build it
[02:04] <intelikey> you want a peek at my hardware ?
[02:04] <jbasilio> codyt: they can lower their costs b/c of all the bundling and OEM stuff they get ... if you wipe and put linux you make out
[02:04] <jbasilio> codyt: if you buy norton, AOL, etc etc their suppliers make out
[02:04] <codyt> ick
[02:04] <jbasilio> codyt: either way it's cheap and dependable hardware and you can still wipe it and put linux on it (and MS still made $$ on the deal)
[02:05] <waylandbill> jbasilio: yup
[02:05] <codyt> I've put some PCs together on paper, and came up with some pretty good ones for low prices
[02:05] <codyt> Definately cheaper than what I've seen elsewhere.
[02:05] <jbasilio> $300 is pretty cheap!!
[02:05] <codyt> Not to mention I'm *very* picky, and get to customize it if I build it myself.
[02:06] <codyt> it is.
[02:06] <jbasilio> that's always true .. (can be selective)
[02:06] <intelikey> Kernel: Linux 2.6.15-27-386 | Distro: Debian/GNU none | CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor @ 351 Mhz | Mem usage: 16.5/249.2 MB (7%) | Swap usage: unavailable | Disk usage(/dev/dev): 7.5/12.2 GB (61%) | Uptime: 15 hrs 29 mins 7 secs  |  Local Time: 07:06:29 CST | Connection:  Received: 0.0 KB,  packets Sent: 0.0 KB,  packets | Users: 0 | Load: 0.00
[02:06] <jbasilio> i used to be the same way.  but i've changed due to hardware reliability increasing
[02:06] <intelikey> $244 12 years ago ^
[02:06] <waylandbill> $500 for my laptop. I wasn't picky and it's all supported under linux... just had to wait a few months.
[02:07] <jbasilio> that's a great deal!  i'd love a laptop .. someday
[02:07] <codyt> That's one of the reasons I like the "open" idea so much is the power to change anything that bugs me.
[02:07] <waylandbill> custom built is hard to get low prices these days. not like it used to be
[02:07] <mebsd> which live cd is recommend to dl?
[02:07] <codyt> Hex editors and dissassemblers are no fun.
[02:07] <Christoph_vW> I always buy new hardware because I need the speed - and always get trouble with Linux :(
[02:08] <stdin> the kubuntu one
[02:08] <mebsd> there is herd 1 and 2
[02:08] <stdin> mebsd: you want a stable version, dapper or edgy
[02:08] <jbasilio> mebsd: where are you looking?
[02:08] <intelikey> !lts
[02:08] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[02:08] <intelikey> !dapper
[02:08] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[02:08] <intelikey> !edgy
[02:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[02:08] <mebsd> i want latest, most update version
[02:09] <PhibreOptix> !feisty
[02:09] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[02:09] <stdin> mebsd: you want edgy then
[02:09] <codyt> I like edgy.
[02:09] <mebsd> i want latest, updated, and stable
[02:09] <stdin> feisty is a development release and is NOT considered stable
[02:09] <PhibreOptix> I just wanted to know what it was
[02:09] <mebsd> where do i get edgy
[02:09] <dokteurping> how can i register on konversation
[02:10] <intelikey> "i want latest, updated, and stable"  don't ask for much do ya
[02:10] <stdin> mebsd: http://kubuntu.org/download.php#latest
[02:10] <stdin> !register | dokteurping
[02:10] <ubotu> dokteurping: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[02:10] <codyt> (:
[02:10] <dannybuntu> hey guys - anybody know why installing nvidia drivers made the fonts annoying for most websites
[02:10] <codyt> I didn't have any problems like that.
[02:10] <waylandbill> incorrect dpi probably
[02:11] <dannybuntu> the fonts are not only small they are grey
[02:11] <intelikey> cause most websites are krap ?
[02:11] <dannybuntu> intelikey: other than that of course
[02:11] <codyt> I did have an issue where my nvidia card was causing my box to freeze randomly
[02:11] <intelikey> oh  i don't know then.
[02:11] <codyt> but I got that resolved.
[02:12] <mebsd> hope kubuntu work well with laptop wireless card?
[02:12] <intelikey> if you want to know how Krappy most web-sites are try w3m or lynx on them
[02:13] <intelikey> links2  but not in graphical mode
[02:13] <stdin> elinks
[02:13] <codyt> then try it on an "IE standard" site.
[02:13] <intelikey> yeah but not in -g
[02:13] <intelikey> yep
[02:14] <intelikey> ok it's time for my last rounds.
[02:14] <codyt> Although, I haven't had any problems with any sites in Fx, aside from a few specific microsoft sites.
[02:14] <intelikey> see y'all next time
[02:15] <codyt> see ya intelikey
[02:15] <dannybuntu> bye
[02:16] <codyt> dannybuntu, what browser are you using?
[02:17] <dannybuntu> firefox and swiftfox and konqueror
[02:17] <codyt> ah
[02:17] <codyt> never heard of swiftfox
[02:17] <dannybuntu> optimized build of firefox for your processor
[02:18] <mebsd> i use maxtron
[02:18] <codyt> Yeah,  I just noticed that.
[02:18] <waylandbill> wouldn't think it's the browser if it's only with the nvidia driver enabled. probably have to manually set DisplayDPI for X
[02:18] <codyt> "including Athlon XP"
[02:18] <dannybuntu> !maxtron
[02:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about maxtron - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:20] <dannybuntu> hey do you guys know of a good pda to use with kubuntu?
[02:20] <codyt> oo, a 1 second lag.
[02:21] <dannybuntu> 2 s 4 me
[02:21] <codyt> down to .5sec
[02:21] <stdin> 45ms here :)
[02:21] <codyt> not bad for being on dial up, and downloading.
[02:22] <stdin> went up to 150ms when downloading a CD image with 15 concurrent connections :D
[02:22] <codyt> I need to figure out what all issues the XP box has with booting linux.
[02:23] <dannybuntu> earthquake in taiwan really hit broadband hard here in the philippines
[02:23] <codyt> it crashes if I don't disable acpi, but even then I can't get it to completely load Kubuntu..
[02:23] <mebsd> earthquake in taiwan broke fibre in ocean
[02:24] <codyt> it's got a 2.7GHz processor with more RAM.. this computer has a 1.2GHz processor, I think.
[02:24] <codyt> Not that there will be an extreme difference.
[02:24] <stdin> my boot options = noapic nolapic pci=noacpi acpi=off
[02:24] <codyt> seriously?
[02:24] <dannybuntu> mebsd: yeah - good thing though - they'll prolly lay better cables
[02:24] <stdin> yep
[02:25] <codyt> I'll write that down and try it next time I feel like messing with that box,.
[02:25] <codyt> if it doesn't work, I'll come bug you guys. (:
[02:25] <stdin> without those options, I can't boot :P
[02:26] <codyt> with just the acpi=off, I can get to a very strange terminal
[02:26] <codyt> er
[02:26] <codyt> strange, as in the way it looks
[02:26] <codyt> and things aren't initialized properly.
[02:26] <stdin> I get a load of errors down the screen with just acpi=off
[02:27] <codyt> I get that without the acpi=off, then it restarts itself.
[02:27] <jabal> hello i want to try share desktop some one can share with me ???
[02:27] <stdin> !vnc
[02:27] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[02:28] <jabal> hello i want to try share desktop some one can share with me ???
[02:28] <dannybuntu> why would you want to do that?
[02:28] <stdin> jabal: look at the link ubotu posted
[02:29] <dannybuntu> darn that firefox bus error again
[02:32] <codyt> mm, sludge factory
[02:33] <dannybuntu> ewww
[02:33] <codyt> don't like Alice in Chains, eh?
[02:34] <dannybuntu> not really - just havent heard of em here
[02:34] <codyt> one of my favorite bands.
[02:34] <dannybuntu> what genre?
[02:34] <codyt> rock
[02:34] <codyt> probably others, but I just consider it to be rock
[02:35] <dannybuntu> ive mellowed down used to listen to metallica and nirvana
[02:35] <codyt> I like older Metallica and a lot of Nirvana.
[02:35] <dannybuntu> but i realized that when you have kids - they sound pretty much the same
[02:35] <dannybuntu> :)
[02:35] <Christoph_vW> looks like the "installing Linux on ICH8R problem" is gone...
[02:36] <codyt> I'm gonna hold my tongue..
[02:36] <dannybuntu> lol
[02:36] <Christoph_vW> I just got a msg from Intel Matrix controller that one hdd is faulty
[02:36] <waylandbill> dannybuntu: that's cause they are pretty much the same. ;-P
[02:37] <dannybuntu> heheheh
[02:37] <Christoph_vW> no, I don't have a RAID anymore...
[02:37] <Christoph_vW> now*
[02:37] <codyt> aside from being complety different.
[02:38] <waylandbill> they play music and smoke dope... pretty much the same. :-)
[02:38] <blue|palm> if i have messed up my xserver by choosing an incorrect driver, is there any way i can restore it
[02:38] <codyt> dope...
[02:38] <codyt> hrm.
[02:38] <dannybuntu> waylangbill: lol
[02:38] <Blaskowitz3> Hi, when I try to compile qt applications from source I keep getting a 'library qt-mt not found' error. However via locate I find /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.6.. and when I try getting libqt3-mt-dev through apt, it says libgl1-mesa-dev is a dependacy but is not going to be installed
[02:39] <waylandbill> bluepalm: put the old xorg.conf back or reconfigure the package and select a different driver.
[02:41] <waylandbill> Blaskowitz3: can you install libgl1-mesa-dev explicitly?
[02:43] <Blaskowitz3> doing that makes it complain about another dependancy, mesa-common-dev.. though doing that yields: libgl1-mesa-dev: Depends: mesa-common-dev (= 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3) but 6.5.1+cvs20060824 is to be installed
[02:43] <Blaskowitz3> and that it is alread the newest version
[02:43] <Blaskowitz3> already*
[02:45] <waylandbill> what version you have selected for repos? 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3 is the newest for me
[02:46] <Blaskowitz3> um sorry if I seem like a newb but how do I found that out?