[01:38] <telgareith> https://www.reddit.com/r/zfs/comments/16nb9ep/how_to_install_zfs_ubuntu_2204_kernel_63/ has this been resolved? I'm not sure how to track the issue any further than the "kernel backported, but openZFS hasn't"---- I'm still showing zfs-dkms trying to provide zfs-2.1.5-1ubuntu6~22.04.04 and listing "compatible kernels: ?? - 5.19" when uname says
[01:38] <telgareith> kernel 6.5.0....
[01:39] <telgareith> (still, as in I ran into this and what they said seems to be accurate)
[01:39] <sarnold> telgareith: that guy isn't running ubuntu kernels and isn't running ubuntu zfs
[01:39] <sarnold> telgareith: you might have better luck asking him if you intend to run the same kernels and same zfs that he's using
[01:41] <telgareith> nope. this is a fresh ubuntu LTS install from about a week ago. Haven't done much besides... hrm. install/enable SSH and disable suspend when the laptop lid is closed?
[01:41] <telgareith> and apt update; apt upgrade, of course
[01:41] <telgareith> oh, install cifs-utils
[01:42] <sarnold> ah, then I suggest pastebinning what you're doing, and what results you're getting :)
[01:44] <telgareith> github gists work ok?
[01:44] <sarnold> yeah
[01:46] <casa> Greetings
[01:47] <casa> My new monitor has speaker it has HDMI and VGA but still the sound doesn't work
[01:48] <sarnold> casa: many problems like that can be solved by running pavucontrol and clicking around a bit
[01:50] <casa> Where can I find that pavucontrol?
[01:51] <sarnold> casa: oh, sorry; it's in the pavucontrol package
[01:54] <casa> I am going to try it and see
[01:55] <casa> Do I need to restart the computer sarnold?
[01:55] <sarnold> casa: no
[01:55] <sarnold> casa: in fact, once you do, you might need to run pavucontrol again and fiddle with things again :)
[03:49] <telgareith> sarnold: 2hrs later: https://gist.github.com/telgareith/fa22323076a5ed79cd8e6ee3bb6a38f0
[06:28] <ats53> welcome
[08:02] <ladybug_magnolia> hola
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> !es | ladybug_magnolia
[08:05] <ladybug_magnolia> Lol, I am english, but can speak a little spanish xD
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> ladybug_magnolia: welcome then
[08:20] <user1__> hey
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> welcome user1__
[09:04] <ice9> is it really more secure to run apps in snap versus deb package? and why?
[09:04] <ravage> Confinement
[09:44] <lubuntu> hi
[10:48] <dreamon> hello. did a new installation on ubuntu 22.04 starting firefox windows is unreadable. maybe a amd issue "AMD/ATI Device 1506" driver thing. not driver updates available. do I have to install https://www.amd.com/de/support/linux-drivers manually?
[10:55] <hiya> any1 using ThinkPads with AMD 6850U processor? any wake up issues on battery?
[10:55] <hiya> official driver for graphics is supported for 22.04 https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-amdgpu-unified-linux-23-40-2
[11:04] <tomreyn> is there a problem you're trying to solve?
[11:06] <tomreyn> !amd | dreamon, hiya
[11:07] <hiya> tomreyn: Yes, my laptop won't wake up when I close the lid on battery, that being said, I am currently on Debian 12
[11:08] <hiya> so I wonder if it is the same issue on Ubuntu
[11:08] <hiya> Hence asking if someone else is using the same processor + igpu combo here
[11:09] <tomreyn> i see. you could try a recent live/installer iso, I assume it should behave the same way as an installation.
[11:10] <hiya> tomreyn: even sleep / wake-up?
[11:10] <hiya> 24.04 LTS is coming soon, hence i am waiting for it
[11:11] <tomreyn> you can try the beta https://releases.ubuntu.com/noble/
[11:12] <dreamon> tomreyn, theoretisch. Darf ich auf -de schreiben..
[11:14] <tomreyn> dreamon: not here, please, but in #ubuntu-de
[11:15] <respawn> tested the beta works great
[11:18] <hiya> Is there no way to get vanilla Ubuntu Gnome version any more?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:06] <akik> hiya: it's called fragmentation
[13:06] <akik> hiya: i really much doubt you can get vanilla gnome on ubuntu
[13:07] <respawn> good day
[13:07] <akik> well unless you compile it yourself
[13:07] <respawn> if you want mess with it
[13:08] <akik> and the dependencies are probably defined so that it's impossible
[13:09] <akik> i mean if you'd try to remove ubuntu gnome
[13:23] <hiya> akaWolf: Okay.
[13:23] <hiya> akik: Okay, thank you
[13:23] <hiya> Sorry for off-topic but there is Zorin
[14:35] <ice9> every login a popup appears to unlock the keyring because and app needs it however I already have "auth optional pam_gnome_keyring.so"; so what should I do?
[14:46] <ComputerTech> Updated to Ubuntu 24.04 beta, but the Gnome Camera App keeps giving the error: "Could not play camera stream"
[14:46] <ComputerTech> Any ideas?
[14:50] <tomreyn> try #ubuntu-next
[14:51] <ComputerTech> alright, thanks
[14:57] <BluesKaj> can't seem to get the sudoers file to work with user NOPASWD entry
[14:57] <BluesKaj> err NOPASSWD
[14:59] <BluesKaj> I fllowed the instructions that I found online but they don't seem to apply
[15:00] <BluesKaj> the same entries work on my laptop. but not my pc ...very starnge
[15:29] <michaelette> hi
[16:58] <sebokie> hello, on Ubuntu server 22.04.4 LTS the settings in /etc/hdparm.conf are not applied upon boot, what do I have to do to have them applied?
[17:09] <FKAShinobi> Hello, I came back to my server after being away for a bit and monit was reporting smartd failing. After confirming the service was up I noticed there is no pid file being written. Is there a way to set this in the smartd.conf? I only see command line options
[17:11] <rbox> see what
[17:12] <rbox> oh set
[17:12] <rbox> set what
[17:12] <FKAShinobi> rbox: I see a way to set the pid file via command line switch, but can this be done via config?
[17:13] <rbox> the config file has a man page explaining all the options
[17:20] <FKAShinobi> It doesn't appear that I can set this via config. How would I reconfigure the service to add the command line switch?
[17:22] <rbox> if its a systemd service you can change the execstart with an override file
[17:23] <rbox> actually it looks like it uses /etc/default/smartmontools
[17:23] <rbox> so just edit that
[17:38] <FKAShinobi> rbox:Thank you, that worked.
[17:49] <luna_3> 23,10 failed to install "steam-installer" <-Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[17:49] <luna_3> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[17:49] <luna_3> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[17:49] <luna_3> or been moved out of Incoming.
[17:49] <luna_3> oh that was long, sorry.
[17:50] <luna_3> I have "held broken packages" it said.
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> luna_3: try to update your system to latest via apt, then !paste the errors you see in apt after installing steam
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> luna_3: sudo apt autoremove could help also
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> !paste
[17:55] <luna_3> after update. (surprised I needed one 2 days after install of 23.10) same complaint from the seam-installer command.
[17:55] <luna_3> steam-installer : Depends: steam (>= 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu2)
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> luna_3: did you add external ppa's of any kind to your system?
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> !info steam-installer
[18:35] <luna_3> lotuspsychje, Iadded a natural scrolling repository  at least
[18:35] <luna_3> https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/zedtux/naturalscrolling/ubuntu
[18:46] <luna_3> How do I find the contemporary way of listing added pp's by me.  USTABE: /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[18:47] <luna_3> I tried searching in the past year but no luck yet. lotuspsychje what would it matter -- The Problem is I cant install steam-installer
[19:17] <t2345uiy> hi
[19:17] <bprompt> allo
[20:09] <nshirelaptop> should I be concerned that the ureadahead service on my 22.04lts install has failed?
[20:09] <nshirelaptop> sudo systemctl status says "degraded" because of it
[20:36] <nshirelaptop> I guess it was meant to be removed with dist upgrade automatically but wasn't for whatever reason
[20:36] <nshirelaptop> apt remove ureadahead worked
[20:42] <RickyRat5005> Is there a way to get flameshot to work on wayland (or an alternative that works well on wayland)?
[20:42] <rbox> i'm on wayland and i just hit the print screen button
[20:43] <bprompt> hmmm
[20:44] <bprompt> RickyRat5005: hmmm dunno, didn't know it doesn't work on wayland, or at least that's your assumption
[20:44] <RickyRat5005> Right, but Flameshot has the ability to mark up a screenshot easily.
[20:45] <bprompt> RickyRat5005: hmmm I'm not on Wayland, however I always use the systray button
[20:46] <bprompt> and flameshot freaking rules!!  not just for screenshot, but I use it a lot for multiple-screens reading
[23:12] <rock8787> if i install ubuntu 24.04 beta will i have to reinstall later when final comes out? or can i just do the updates?
[23:13] <oerheks> no, you'll be fine
[23:13] <rock8787> can you link me the download for it please oerheks
[23:14] <rock8787> or i can find it its ok oerheks
[23:15] <oerheks> daily build https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[23:15] <rock8787> and this doesnt have xz backdoor right?
[23:15] <oerheks> no, ubuntu was never affected.
[23:15] <rock8787> ah cool
[23:16] <oerheks> only rolling release version might have
[23:16] <rock8787> ok
[23:16] <oerheks> have fuN!
[23:16] <rock8787> YAY!
[23:31] <webchat24> Hey, I am using Ubuntu 23.10 and have two unmounted SATA HDDs that keep making noises like they are spinning up/down randomly every few minutes. What could be causing this?
[23:31] <webchat24> They are not mounted, and are currently empty so I can't see what would be accessing them
[23:45] <bprompt> webchat24: hmmm you could try running an "lsof" on both devices, to see which process is accessing them
[23:46] <bprompt> webchat24: check with "lsblk" the address of your HDDs, and use that to do an --> lsof /dev/DEVICENODE
[23:46] <oerheks> they will never spinn down, afaik
[23:47] <bprompt> spinning means, cluster seeking
[23:49] <webchat24> ok, thanks - I'm doing a bunch of googling right now to understand everything you're saying because a lot of it is greek to me, but I'll try your suggestion
[23:50] <webchat24> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() tracefs file system /sys/kernel/debug/tracing
[23:50] <webchat24>       Output information may be incomplete.
[23:51] <bprompt> webchat24: "lsof" in essence will show processes interacting with a file/directory/socket/else, so that tells you what kind of activity is going on with it
[23:51] <webchat24> if I run with sudo I get: lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.portal file system /run/user/1000/doc
[23:51] <webchat24>       Output information may be incomplete.
[23:52] <webchat24> oerheks: when you say they will never spin down, why not? why are they doing anything if not even mounted?
[23:52] <bprompt> webchat24: not mounted doesn't mean, no spinning per se btw
[23:52] <webchat24> I'm worried about it lowering lifespan of drives for them to be randomly spinning all the time. they are intended to be long-term storage drives that are off most of the time
[23:52] <bprompt> webchat24: but heavy spinning will mean cluster or location seeking
[23:54] <bprompt> webchat24: hmmm you can always just unplug them and have them powered-down, that'd help with the life part :)
[23:55] <webchat24> What is happening right now is that every few seconds, I can feel the "tapping/vibrating" (don't know better descriptive term) sound that drives make when being read from. Then every couple of minutes there is a longer more intensive noise like heavier read access is happening
[23:55] <bprompt> webchat24: now, some usb-sata-hdd come with in an enclosure with a power switch as well
[23:55] <webchat24> lol yeah, unplugging would be an option obviously, but I don't want to do that every time I need to use them
[23:55] <webchat24> seems like there must be some system process that's regularly checking status of drives or something
[23:56] <webchat24> I wonder if it's a bios issue ... it's a new build, and I haven't really messed around with HDD settings in BIOS
[23:57] <bprompt> webchat24: well, not mounted is just not mounted, but the system has to be able to "see" them, so there's filesystem access to them at all times, even when unmounted
[23:58] <webchat24> do you happen to know what system processes regularly interact with unmounted drives like this? I'll look into it, but just wondering if you know off the top of your head which processes to examine
[23:58] <bprompt> webchat24: nope
[23:59] <bprompt> webchat24: how do you know they're not mounted btw?
[23:59] <oerheks> unplugging is your best option, it spins at some slow speed to serve fast response when you mount it
[23:59] <oerheks> hdparm could stop it


 Libreoffice is not only big also creates dependency webs and not including it in repo will help lessen the size of iso making it easy to fetch lubuntu in countries with poor bandwith and will also help upgrading to newer versions lighter, faster and less conflicting. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl[m]> I think though we focus on lightweight I think hard drive space is not as limited as RAM. Also usability is important)
[04:45] <guiverc> the comment was based on including it on ISO; repository will not change. I do agree with wxl in that disk space is much larger than RAM, including libreoffice on iso increases out-of-the-box usability (a big +).. and I'm not worried about libreoffice being too big for RAM (the few if any users who don't have ram for it can adjust themselves as will be minuscule % of users I bet)
[05:36] <wxl[m]> We don’t include all of libreoffice just [select parts](https://git.lubuntu.me/Lubuntu/seed/src/commit/b4bbfbedb3b76f5b1b34e7b03504a6b020e53327/desktop#L116) so there’s a word processing, spreadsheet, and graphics solution. We will want that no matter what so we’ll need some other solution, or just leave it as is. Either way, what we provide must be less than a gig
[06:55] <lynorian[m]> I honestly am not sure how much libreoffice math gets actually used?
[06:58] <lynorian[m]> or was this not explicty seeded but always been included
[17:29] <wxl[m]> Yeah we should explicitly remove it


[01:06] <emgent> kirkland: ok ecryptfs sounds good, the only problem in ubuntu is if the X user change system password, true ?
[01:07] <kirkland> emgent: nope
[01:07] <kirkland> cat /etc/pam.d/common-password
[01:07] <emgent> oh true..
[01:07] <kirkland> emgent: ;-)
[01:07] <emgent> password   optional	pam_ecryptfs.so
[01:07] <emgent> hahah it`s perfect :)
[01:07] <kirkland> emgent: however, it is currently not very easy to change the underlying mount passphrase
[01:08] <kirkland> emgent: you'd have to mount two different directories, one with the existing data and existing password
[01:08] <kirkland> emgent: and a second one with the new password
[01:08] <kirkland> emgent: and copy the data from the old to the new
[01:08] <kirkland> emgent: and then remove the old
[01:08] <emgent> nods nods
[01:08] <kirkland> emgent: that's not ideal....
[01:08] <kirkland> emgent: but that's low on the priority list
[01:11] <emgent> ok understand. nice :)
[02:21] <tacone> hello, is there any standard location to store ssl certs to be used with apache2+ssl ?
[02:23] <nxvl> tacone: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[02:24] <ScottK> lamont: Thanks.  I'm back online now.
[02:24] <nxvl> ScottK: you haven't been here all day?
[02:24] <tacone> nxvl: what specifically ? etc/ssl ?
[02:24] <nxvl> tacone: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/httpd.html
[02:25] <ScottK> nxvl: Nope.  Left about 14 hours ago.
[02:25] <nxvl> at the bottom of the guide
[02:25] <tacone> nxvl: I am already there.
[02:25] <tacone> nxvl: is there any policy I can read ? would subdirectories tollerated for /etc/ssl ?
[02:25] <nxvl> tacone: not that i know, but that's the official ubuntu server guide
[02:26] <nxvl> ScottK: mmm enought time to don't know about what i was asking
[02:26] <nxvl> ScottK: i will wait until you get to it
[02:26] <nxvl> :D
[02:27] <tacone> nxvl: I am asking because we are putting in place a wizard to set SSL certs on apache2 in our software. that's why I need feedback on which solution would be optimal
[02:28] <nxvl> tacone: that's what i thought
[02:28] <tacone> ok
[02:29] <nxvl> tacone: i would find a good way to do it putting them into private/ and certs/ naming the certificates with the hostname or some part of it
[02:29] <tacone> nxvl: the help page miss an useful information. I'd add it but seems non-editable
[02:30] <nxvl> tacone: talk to sommer
[02:30] <nxvl> tacone: he's our documentation leader
[02:31] <tacone> nxvl: do you have his email ?
[02:31] <nxvl> sommer: ping
[02:31] <nxvl> tacone: https://edge.launchpad.net/~asommer
[02:32] <ScottK> Yeah!  Only 280 new emails since I was last at my desk.
[02:34] <ScottK> Almost forgot ...
[02:34] <nxvl> ScottK: i can't imagine dholbach's inbox after his 3 week holidays
[02:34] <ScottK> nxvl: Congratulations.
[02:34] <nxvl> ScottK: thank you!
[02:34] <nxvl> you get into it!
[02:34] <nxvl> :D
[02:34] <nxvl> got*
[02:35] <tacone> thanks nxvl, ~sommer doesn't seemed to be the right username :)
[02:39] <sommer> nxvl: yo
[02:39]  * sommer reading backlog
[02:40] <sommer> tacone: you wanted to add something to the docs?
[02:41] <tacone> yes
[02:41] <tacone> I was about to write you a mail
[02:41] <tacone> there's a missing note for ssl config.
[02:42] <sommer> for apache?
[02:42] <tacone> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/httpd.html
[02:43] <sommer> what's missing?
[02:43] <tacone> you need to convert NameVirtualHost to *.80 (not just *) and then convert any <virtualhost> to use port 80.
[02:43] <tacone> surprisingly seems like even the default config (no user defined vhosts around) won't work with that.
[02:44] <sommer> ah, ya that section needs some other updates... I'll add something about that
[02:44] <tacone> sommer: that's valid only for hardy, not intrepid. intrepid shuold just work (haven't tried, but they seem to have adjusted)
[02:44] <tacone> ok thanks
[02:44] <sommer> tacone: ya, intrepid should have ssl by default
[02:44] <sommer> tacone: thank you
[02:45] <tacone> np
[05:12] <abaqueiro> hello, I have this problem: I installed Ubuntu Server for sparc, I have 2 disk (hda, hdd) both with four partitions, the partitions 1º are only unused 8 Mb partitions, the partitions 2º are about 512 Mb, and I created a Raid1 device for the swap, the partitions 4º about 19Gb in both disk are for a RAID1 device, wich contain a ext3 filesystem (including /boot), ubuntu instalation was ok, until the instalation of silo, where it says there was an
[05:12] <abaqueiro> [S] instead of the [U_] that I expected
[05:13] <abaqueiro> in the boot messages it says something about md0 stopped and md1 stopped and something about bind hda4
[05:17] <abaqueiro> does anyone have and idea what can be happening???
[05:47] <joebob777as7> i'm having some pretty poor network performance can someone give me a hand? it's about 1/10th the speed it runs in vista...
[05:49] <abaqueiro> wireless?
[05:49] <joebob777as7> sending a 3GB file only runs between 2 and 5mbps... and on vista it's over 20mbps
[05:49] <joebob777as7> abaqueiro, wired
[05:51] <joebob777as7> abaqueiro, i'm trying to stream some movies and they aren't working :(
[05:51] <abaqueiro> could be the wireless driver, or the protocol you are using to transfer the movies
[05:52] <joebob777as7> abaqueiro, it's wired
[05:52] <joebob777as7> samba
[05:52] <jmedina> joebob777as7: check the mode
[05:52] <jmedina> ethtool eth0
[05:52] <jmedina> for example
[05:53] <joebob777as7> jmedina, http://pastebin.ca/1172438
[05:54] <joebob777as7> jmedina, peaks at about 6 mbps
[05:54] <jmedina> it is Half
[05:54] <jmedina> #
[05:54] <jmedina> Speed: 100Mb/s
[05:54] <jmedina> #
[05:54] <jmedina>         Duplex: Half
[05:54] <joebob777as7> jmedina, how can I make it full?
[05:55] <jmedina> try to change it to full
[05:55] <jmedina> man ethtool
[05:55] <jmedina> dont remember the param, but it is in the manpage
[05:56] <joebob777as7> jmedina, will it interrupt my transfer if I try it now?
[05:58] <jmedina> joebob777as7:  :S
[06:00] <joebob777as7> jmedina, so I ran this: sudo ethtool -s eth1 duplex full speed 1000
[06:00] <joebob777as7> and it is still half... :(
[06:00] <jmedina> mmm what about the other side?
[06:00] <jmedina> is there more hosts?
[06:00] <jmedina> are
[06:01] <joebob777as7> the other side is fine it's been tested in vista...
[06:01] <jmedina> full speed 1000?
[06:01] <joebob777as7> jmedina, well no it's only 100 but full 100
[06:02] <jmedina> but did you type 1000 in the prompt?
[06:02] <joebob777as7> yes
[06:02] <joebob777as7> do I need to set it while it's running?
[06:04] <joebob777as7> or before I start the transfer?
[06:04] <jmedina> not sure
[06:04] <jmedina> its been a long time since I used
[06:06] <joebob777as7> jmedina, ok thx for pointing me in the right direction.
[06:07] <jmedina> you can also try with mii-tool
[06:12] <jmedina> joebob777as7: try this
[06:12] <jmedina> ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off
[09:16] <kraut> moin
[11:42] <mdz> I'm seeing an apparent deadlock between mutt and dovecot on Intrepid, which was working great until recently
[11:42] <mdz> mutt is blocked reading from dovecot, and dovecot is just polling waiting for something to happen
[11:42] <mdz> neither of them has changed recently, though
[11:43] <mok0> mdz: ... rebooting doesn't help?
[11:43] <mdz> mok0: I haven't tried rebooting, why?
[11:44] <mdz> disconnecting from dovecot and reconnecting gets it working again for a while, then it gets stuck again
[11:44] <mok0> Because it would remove zombie processes, dead socket files etc
[11:44] <mok0> mdz: is dovecot running on a remote server?
[11:44] <mdz> mok0: no, locally via a pipe (mutt's "set tunnel")
[11:45] <mdz> and dovecot --exec-mail imap
[11:45] <mok0> Hmm
[11:46] <mdz> I'm going to try to get a trace of the imap conversation and see what's going wrong
[11:46] <mok0> I stopped using mutt when we introduced dovecot...
[11:46] <mok0> mutt sucks at imap
[11:46] <mdz> mok0: what did you switch to?
[11:46] <mok0> kmail
[11:46] <mdz> it does a bit
[11:46] <ivoks> mok0: fetch your mail with fetchmail then :)
[11:46] <mok0> I used thunderbird for a while, but I prefer kmail
[11:46] <mdz> it's very good at a number of other things, though
[11:47] <mdz> I'm told thunderbird has good keyboard navigation now
[11:47] <mok0> ivoks: I'm not that enamoured with mutt. I used it when I needed a local mail reader on the mail host.
[11:48] <ivoks> as for GUI clients, claws just rules all of them
[11:48] <mok0> ivoks: I run kubuntu, don't like the looks of GTK
[11:49] <mok0> anyways, we're getting OT
[11:49] <ivoks> right
[11:50] <ivoks> mdz: have you tried with other clients?
[11:50] <ivoks> telneting to port 143 would be enough...
[11:51] <mdz> ivoks: I have run dovecot --exec-imap locally, and it talks to me
[11:51] <mdz> it talks to mutt, too, until it goes bad
[11:51] <mdz> it gets hung up immediately after mutt has saved a message to my sent folder
[11:51] <mdz> mutt blocks there and never actually gives the message to sendmail to send it out
[11:51] <mdz> I sent probably 50 messages through this same setup yesterday
[11:53] <ivoks> sent folder is imap folder or local folder?
[11:54] <mdz> ivoks: imap
[11:56] <ivoks> you don't have access to dovecot's logs?
[11:57] <ivoks> or even better, dovecot's configuration... it can provide very nice debuging logs
[12:40] <zul> morning
[12:41] <foolano> hi there
[13:14] <michaelmon> hi guys! need help on this. were you able to set up raid 0 on three disks?
[13:14] <michaelmon> thanks a lot!
[13:46] <_ruben> raid0 .. yuck!
[14:11] <Gothfunc> hi.  how do i make files and dirs created inherit the parent dir's group and permissions?
[14:13] <sommer> Gothfunc: I believe the umask command may be what you're looking for
[14:14] <sommer> Gothfunc: http://www.lockergnome.com/linux/2002/08/29/the-users-mask/   may be of help
[14:15] <Gothfunc> i have that command in mind, but it seems to only affect the shell session.  reading the link now
[14:17] <Gothfunc> sommer: if i wanted to apply that to any session for any user, how might i do that?
[14:17] <sommer> Gothfunc: I think if you change the setting in /etc/skel/.profile it will be set for each session
[14:17] <Gothfunc> gotcha
[14:17]  * Gothfunc looks
[14:17] <sommer> Gothfunc: at least there's an entry at the top :)
[14:18] <Gothfunc> awesome, thanks sommer :)
[14:19] <sommer> Gothfunc: np, it actually mentions the /etc/profile, you might want to take a look at that as weel
[14:19] <sommer> /weel/well/g
[14:20] <Gothfunc> ok
[14:23] <Gothfunc> ok that works, with /etc/profile
[14:23] <Gothfunc> but still lacking group inheritance
[14:24] <Gothfunc> (with directories that are actually g+s)
[14:24] <Gothfunc> it just assigns the group equal to the user
[14:24] <Gothfunc> gothfunc/gothfunc
[14:26] <Gothfunc> nevermind, got it
[14:26] <Gothfunc> :P
[15:00] <juannicolas> Hi, i don't know if my problems actually is ubuntu or my proftpd server, I need to transfer files that are more than 2 gigs and it would not let me.
[15:13] <_ruben> juannicolas: could be a filesystem problem
[15:14] <_ruben> but proftpd might be the prob too, if its not compiled with large file support
[15:14] <juannicolas> _ruben  Im trying to transfer files more than 2 gig size between mandrake to ubuntu
[15:39] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #258162 in postfix (main) "Postfix local privilege escalation via hardlinked symlinks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258162
[15:41] <lamont> I love people filing bugs that are fixed.  or have we not quite published it for -security, I wonder
[15:43] <zul> lamont: its so much fun
[15:45] <ScottK> lamont: I commented to that effect
[15:47] <zul> lamont: kees is at debconf and jamie is on vacation afaik pitti is handling security
[15:48]  * lamont smacks it into fix committed status with a comment
[15:48] <ScottK> lamont: We have not quite published it.
[15:48] <lamont> that's why it's committed, not released
[15:49] <ScottK> Right, I typed that before I saw your last comment.
[16:18] <ekimus> anyone already running slapd with a cn=config backend? I'm right now playing around with it (spare box was an etch and I didn't care to reinstall) but I'm having quite some problems but I'm not sure wether it's the ldap browser (apache directory studio) or wether it's indeed slapd.
[16:18] <sommer> ekimus: I've started the documentation of it :)
[16:19] <ekimus> sommer: is that public? is it a wiki? i could add my notes :)
[16:20] <sommer> ekimus: basically rewriting the serverguide openldap section: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
[16:20] <sommer> ekimus: I haven't commited my changes yet
[16:21] <ekimus> hehe, always learning great things. I didn't even know about a serverguide in general. :)
[16:21] <sommer> ekimus: if you want to send me your notes that's cool, I should have a commit ready by Sunday or Mondayish
[16:21] <kirkland> zul: superm1 was asking last night about mysql-server's "recommends" on mailx
[16:21] <sommer> ekimus: reviews of the serverguide is always appreciated :)
[16:21] <zul> kirkland: what about it?
[16:22] <kirkland> zul: if we thought it could be dropped to a 'suggests'
[16:22] <kirkland> zul: lamont and ScottK had some good ideas about using a meta package, instead of specific MTA, like mailx
[16:22] <zul> kirkland: propbably yeah it could
[16:23] <lamont> kirkland: mailx is not an MTA
[16:23] <kirkland> lamont: MUA, sorry
[16:24] <ekimus> sommer: I will try to give it a review. But i can't quite promise not to mix in some debian stuff (although that would have to be _very_ special). in most cases one can still use debian docs for ubuntu and the other way around
[16:25] <sommer> ekimus: they're usually pretty close... not sure what the status of the new cn=config changes are in debian though
[16:25] <sommer> ekimus: that is the intrepid cn=config changes... I assume that's what you're testing, heh
[16:25] <ekimus> sommer: is help.ubuntu.com maintained by canoncial. I can't find a login or discusion button.
[16:25] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #258192 in dhcp3 (main) "problem with paths and binding to ldap server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258192
[16:26] <ekimus> sommer: actually I'm just getting used to to the ldap part itself right now. I just hackishly fixed the etch init script so that it doesn't choke on new style config
[16:26] <sommer> ekimus: it's a community wiki, maintained by members of the ubuntu community... canonical does manage the servers
[16:27] <sommer> ekimus: with intrepid slapd will use cn=config by default... which is why the docs need updated, it's a pretty big change :)
[16:28] <ekimus> ahh nice. the openldap admin guide is talking about "old style" config also when they refer to the slapd.conf file.
[16:29] <sommer> ekimus: ya, I've found that cn=config documentation isn't as prevelant as slapd.conf... but once you get understand which objects control what, and their attributes, it's not that bad
[16:31] <ekimus> true, the nicest thing about it is no restarts for acl changes. the bad thing is... you can lock yourself out _a lot_ easier :)
[16:31] <sommer> ekimus: heheh... haven't done that yet, but I'm sure it'll happen sooner or later
[16:31] <sommer> it's also very cool for updated indexes and adding schemas
[16:37] <ekimus> yeah i just did dad with loading the dynlist overlay and adding a schema (actually just converted the dynlist schema) and configured dynamic groups for just a single backend. very nice
[16:37] <ekimus> ok going for my break now
[16:48] <edmoore> hi everyone. So are there less evil options than installing gnome-desktop if I want to occassionally use a gui ap, sometimes on a monitor, sometimes over vnc?
[16:54] <ekimus> edmoore: sure just use only xorg and the apps you want (although you'll end up with all the gnome and qt stuff anyway after some time)
[16:54] <ekimus> edmoore: or use tools that connect to an IP and tunnel thru ssh or some vpn
[16:55] <edmoore> second option sounds better. Would dearly like to avoid clogging this box up with crap
[17:04] <ekimus> what kind of gui programs are you talking about? db management stuff, gparted (only local), ....?
[17:26] <ekimus> hmmm is there an OID to use for private usage, like everyone that knows this objectclass will never leave the organization should use OID <IP_ADDRESS>.1
[18:06] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #258353 in bacula (universe) "package bacula-director-pgsql 2.4.2-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurück" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258353
[18:43] <leonel>  intrepid  feature freeze is on 18 aug .. that means  no more new packages right ?
[18:44] <leonel> so ...  no django 1.0 in intrepid ..  it get released on sept 2 ..
[18:44] <sommer> leonel: it's actually on the 28th... it's just number 18 in the list
[18:45] <sommer> at least that's the way I read the table :)
[18:46] <leonel> right .. but no  django 1.0  for intrepid ??
[18:47] <sommer> not sure, you might ask the last person to update the package
[18:47]  * sommer thought there was some type of exception process
[18:48] <sommer> leonel: you might give this a read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[18:48] <leonel> sommer: thanks
[18:48] <sommer> np
[19:23] <kaushal> hi
[19:23] <kaushal> I have configured openvpn client using Network Manager on Ubuntu 8.04 Linux Desktop, The issue is that I need to add sudo ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/8 via <IP_ADDRESS> dev tap0 every time whenever i need to connect to openvpn server
[19:23] <kaushal> any clue
[19:27] <K4k> I'm having difficulty with the motd on my server, it seems to be showing up twice when I login via ssh, and I have no idea why
[19:28] <K4k> I found a forum thread saying that it could be that bootmisc.sh is cating together motd with motd.tail and if .tail had the same message as motd it would cause it
[19:29] <K4k> but I checked it and then re-ran the bootmisc script and then re-logged in but it didn't help
[19:30] <ArtimusDeathhole> hey peeps.  I finally got my LSI SAS3081E-R HBA's, as per suggestion int he channel
[19:31] <ArtimusDeathhole> I am reading through modload to load the driver and I am having trouble finding the module itself.   I have checked under /lib/kernel/drv/amd64 as the man page mentioned, but it isnt in there.   I know that the SUNWlsimega is installed, but what should I be looking for?
[19:32] <ArtimusDeathhole> im sorry that was /usr/kernel/drv/amd64
[19:34] <ArtimusDeathhole> I may be dumb
[19:35] <zul> oh I think you might want a solaris channel
[19:35] <ArtimusDeathhole> yeah,  I just noticed I popped this into the wrong window
[19:35] <ArtimusDeathhole> my bad
[19:36] <ArtimusDeathhole> <[20:05] <kirkland> zul: ping
[20:05] <kirkland> zul: any chance you can sponsor my fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/258388 ?
[20:05] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 258388 in ecryptfs-utils "ecryptfs-setup-private should protect users from overwriting an existing setup" [Undecided,New]
[20:05] <zul> kirkland: slim chance ;)
[20:06] <zul> kirkland: are all of these patches going back into debian so we dont carry them for intrepid+1?
[20:06] <kirkland> zul: they're going back to the upstream git tree
[20:06] <kirkland> zul: and yes, the debian maintainer is taking them
[20:07] <zul> kirkland: nifty thats what I like to hear
[20:07] <kirkland> zul: that's the way i roll 8-)
[20:07] <kirkland> zul: my fixes can be seen applied here: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/mhalcrow/ecryptfs-utils.git;a=summary
[20:08] <zul> kirkland: your word is good enough for me
[20:08] <kirkland> zul: and i ping the debian maintainer periodically and ask him to sync up to the latest upstream release
[20:08] <kirkland> http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/ecryptfs-utils.html
[20:10] <zul> kirkland: done
[20:11] <kirkland> zul: you rock so much
[20:11] <zul> I know :)
[22:38] <Aquaraptor> Is there a "powered by ubuntu server" logo somewhere? I'd like to put one on my site
[23:42] <Terrasque> Hey. Got a problem with the 8.04 kernel. Upgraded from 6.06, and the server is unstable with the new kernel. Old 6.06 kernel works fine tho


  And mashing my fingers all over the trackpad eats up time in the longrun
 That said, the XPS13 has a silky feeling trackpad. :D
 Awesome is nice, but it does some funky things with arrangements on many windows. Like leaving a pixel or two visible on any one side of a window of the objects behind it -- like wallpaper.
 I'm not OCD, but it drives me nuts.
 I am also using the XPS13 as my general carry laptop
 Did you go the QHD route?
 No, actually using the 2014 version
 oh right on
 9350 here, I wanna say that's the 2016 version.
 Only thing I'd like on it is an HDMI port, but not a big deal.
 But yea, I'm mad annoyed with BSPWM. An update came out which totally wrecked my configuration.
 I just kept it down-graded for a while
 It works well enough, no need to upgrade it. If I need the power, I will pull out my System76 or Dell precision
 But then decided wutevs, I'll update my configs.
 But man, some functionality just went backwards.
 And it killlllls me
 because it was sooo good.
 And now it's just, eckk
 I was using the ACER C720 prior to the XPS as a daily.
 I miss it sometimes.
 No idea where I'm going after the XPS.
 Likely something old and used, like my C720 was.
 System76 I've considered.
 Only thing is it ships with Ubuntu. And I want to say they DO support other distros, but I'm not entirely sure.
 So I'd have to hop back on the Ubuntu train.
 Which, isn't a bad thing.
 I'm just way out of the Ubuntu loop these days.
 I want my next lightweight laptop to use a Intel Core M5, 8 GB of RAM, 512 GB SSD, 1080p Touchscreen and it MUST charge via Type C
 Those specs exactly?
 M5 = better battery?
 Give or take
 Yes
 It does not need to be a powerhouse, just powerful enough for me to use it for most tasks
 ^
 Why the C720 was so amazing.
 I got it for $200 refurbed with the 4GB if ram
 Still Celeron
 But it did everything I needed.
 It just choked when I started playing with Android Studio.
 But what doesn't?
 I do have the Samsung Chromebook Plus in my backpack for ChromeOS stuff
 I ditched ChromeOS for a native Linux install.
 In hindsight, chrouton might've been a good way to go.
 What're you using ChromeOS for these days?
 I just like to have a variety of non-Apple devices to play around with
 Right on, exposure is good.
 My prob with ChromeOS is I tell everyone to jump on the bandwagon rofl
 Because most folks I know are just Facebook folks.
 And I'm tired o' fixin their crap.
 Those are the ideal user
 I honestly do not need a lot of local compute power - chromeOS does quite well for most things I do. I offload heavy tasks to one of my servers (Dual Quad Xeons with 16-32 GB of RAM)
 So what would you say your most used OS is for personal use these days? ChromeOS up there?
 Ubuntu Gnome is the most used but mainly on my XPS13. I dont bring out my Kudu much.
 I just installed Budgie.
 Kinda cool.
 but... that trackpad :|
 I was surprised to learn that gnome-control-center has it's own keybinds.
 I thought it would bring up hotkeys for the entire DE. I was wrong.
 I have been using DeX a lot over the past 2 days. It is interesting but shows that Android has a way to go for a few things.
 What I like about Android is that it's that flexible.
 :D
 That is true. My biggest complaint is there are no good FTP/SFTP clients for Android
 Most of them work but are limited
 Hrm, I haven't checked into utilitarian apps for Android.
 Just derp everyday stuff.
 And as far as chrouton overhead, I guess you're referring to ChromeOS eating things up in the background?
 Not that it's that heavy, but it'll always be there
 @Abrerr, I like i3wm
 I spent the past 3 days transferring almost 1.1 TB of Data to a Western Digital Portable Hard Drive - It just died on me
 The drive was purchased on Saturday
 @SivaMachina, Yanno, I'll give it a shot later today. Any pro tips?
 @KMyers, Omg. :/
 @Abrerr, You will have to edit a conf for i3 and one for the status. I do suggest using arandr(for adjusting your resolution but you will need to add something to your i3 conf to make it permanent ) lxapperance, and use either Feh or nitrogen to set your wallpaper.... You will need to add something to you conf referring to one of those to programs to make it permanent.
 How do I get rid of this?
 Just click on it. I got it as well (Amber Alert)
 I can't
 Keeps making that damn noise
 You can disable emergency alerts if you want
 Hoe
 To disable emergency alerts in stock Android, head to Settings, click on the More option under the Wireless & Networks section, and scroll down to the Cell Broadcasts settings. Once opened, you will be given the option to disable extreme threats, severe threats, and Amber Alerts.
 Note - that is for Stock Android - your steps may vary slightly
 I don't see that at all
 There is definitely a Wireless and Networks section
 Go back one screen and see if you have a Wireless and Networks Section
 I do
 I clicked more
 Your phone may be like Samsung, Try launching the stock SMS application on your phone
 Under the settings, there may be an "Emergency Alert Settings"
 Edit : Yup, that is the case with your phone as well - https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-15624
 Likewise you can just read the message/delete it in there if you dont want to completely disable it
 I can't read it
 Do you see an emergency message in the stock messaging application?
 Fixed
 I couldn't read it from the lock screen
 Every phone in the office went off at the same time
 @KMyers you think you got it bad..  I work in a place where we test phones.
 Everyone has several phones.


[00:58] <jono> pleia2, you around?
[02:46] <akgraner> you know that moment when you realize the hangout is being recorded and streamed - like 5 seconds after you realize you just said *that* aloud :-/
[03:00] <mhall119> akgraner: now image that for 24 hours
[03:04] <akgraner> mhall119, I bet you didn't say if you could have a "Big Year" you take pole dancing lessons and do a pin-up calendar - DOH...:-/ sometimes my humor really bites me  - DOH!
[03:04] <akgraner> (might as well own it)
[03:09] <mhall119> akgraner: obviously you haven't watched all 24 hours yet :)
[03:09] <akgraner> mhall119, no I haven't yet
[03:09] <akgraner> but now I think I should
[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[07:04] <bkerensa> morning
[07:48] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:27] <jcastro_> hey popey
[12:28] <popey> hey jcastro_
[12:28] <jcastro_> hey, 2 things
[12:28] <jcastro_> 1, Jose has backups of the site if we want to move it back to your server
[12:28] <jcastro_> and 2
[12:29] <jcastro_> do you know http://www.amazon.com/?tag=u1webapp-20
[12:29] <jcastro_> ^^^ all the other web codes?
[12:29] <jcastro_> So if someone asks, how do I make a bookmark of the amazon thing to support Ubuntu but I don't want the clutter on my launcher
[12:50] <popey> jcastro_, only the main site? leave marathon.u.c pointing at dholbach ?
[12:54] <jcastro_> yes please
[12:54] <jcastro_> JoseeAntonioR has the backups
[12:57] <popey> done
[12:57] <jcastro_> also, any idea on those amazon URLs?
[12:58] <jcastro_> or is it ok to tell people just to use that one
[12:58] <popey> have asked..
[12:58] <jcastro_> like, if I tell my brother in Chile to use that URL, I wonder if it will work, and so on
[12:58] <jcastro_> popey, want to do a combo question on AU about  it?
[13:43] <jcastro_> JoseeAntonioR, just waiting on joey to respond now
[13:51] <dholbach> hello jono_
[13:52] <jono_> hey dholbach
[14:16] <czajkowski> popey: who's running the whyubuntu project/page
[14:27] <jcastro_> jono_, hey, I still need that mail from cezz wrt. the plenaries, do you know if all that is finalized or am I still on hold?
[14:31] <popey> no idea
[14:32] <jono_> jcastro_, still waiting, but I am updating the spreadsheet
[14:32] <jono_> balloons, can you join https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c0487a11641b20408689264e636f053d60fff8ba?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[14:33] <czajkowski> popey: see the comment on my posting of it on G+
[14:33] <czajkowski> jono_: thanks for the mail re dvds
[14:34] <jono_> czajkowski, no worries, sorry for the delay
[14:34] <czajkowski> no worries.
[14:35] <AlanBell> I ordered the UK ones, the process seemed smooth enough
[14:35] <popey> czajkowski, typos?
[14:36] <czajkowski> popey: yes
[14:36] <AlanBell> czajkowski: Lewis Goddard
[14:46] <mhall119> jono_: jcastro_: who usually creates the track roundtables, the track leads or us?
[14:46] <jono_> mhall119, track leads
[14:47] <jcastro_> track leads
[14:47] <jcastro_> mhall119, but for community it's usually one of us
[14:47] <jcastro_> the whole delegation thing
[14:47]  * jcastro_ shakes fist!
[14:48] <jono_> dholbach is the community track lead
[14:48] <jcastro_> but hey I did have an idea on roundtables
[14:49] <jcastro_> I was thinking the other day
[14:49] <mhall119> jcastro_: yeah, it's dholbach now
[14:49] <jcastro_> is on the last day, instead of having a roundtable on the first hour, have it the last hour before the closing thing.
[14:49] <jcastro_> a sort of "Wrap up" session were we can summarize and get any last issues.
[14:50] <mhall119> jono_: the search functionality is there now, if you want to let the track leads know, and perhaps remind them to create and schedule their roundtable sessions (they'll need one meeting per day, but they can re-use the etherpad url)
[16:14] <dholbach> alright my friends - I've got to run
[16:14] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:28] <daker> hi
[17:29] <jcastro_> oh popey
[17:29] <jcastro_> forgot to ask, if you made the move yet
[17:29] <jcastro_> aka. when do I start my 24 hour timer?
[17:31] <popey> i did the change at the point when I said it...
[17:31] <popey> 4.5 hours ago
[17:31] <daker> hi
[17:31] <daker> oupps :)
[17:42] <jcastro_> jono_, british lion sounds like UFO to me
[21:20]  * bkerensa rushes to finish omg article
[21:21] <czajkowski> get the facts in :)
[21:22] <czajkowski> always good to rush that in
[21:23] <bkerensa> czajkowski: We always check them with Canonical
[21:25] <czajkowski> bkerensa: fair enough some articles liek the EU law one on amazon don't read that way at all
[21:26] <bkerensa> czajkowski: I consulted with General Counsel
[21:26] <bkerensa> Amanda Brock specifically
[21:26] <bkerensa> but I also didnt write that article


[20:54] <lloz> Anyone know if Ubiquity is supposed to work with preseed/include and friends? I can't find any examples of people using it online and the seed seems to be ignored when used to preseed a Xubuntu 14.04 install.
[21:00] <cyphermox> lloz: yes
[21:00] <cyphermox> there is a specific syntax to follow for some keys though
[21:01] <cyphermox> here's an annotated example: http://people.canonical.com/~mtrudel/preseed/full.cfg
[21:01] <lloz> Thank you, looking at it now
[21:03] <lloz> Hm, I don't see any preseed/include usage there
[21:08] <lloz> By preseed/include I mean including other preseed files from a first one as in the section "Chainloading preconfiguration files": https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs05.html.en
[21:08] <cyphermox> yes
[21:09] <cyphermox> hrm
[21:09] <cyphermox> I suppose it *should* work. did you try it with debian-installer at all?
[21:09] <lloz> Hm, I'll try to come up with a minimal non-working example. I'm using this as a part of a Packer/Vagrant/Virtualbox build-line...
[21:10] <cjwatson> I don't think we ever added preseed/include support to casper, which is where it would have to go.
[21:10] <lloz> The analagous config with Ubuntu 14.04 server iso (no casper, no ubiquity, only d-i) works perfectly
[21:10] <cjwatson> casper basically reimplements the read-and-apply bits of preseed.
[21:10] <lloz> Hm, yeah I looked in casper-set-selections a bit
[21:11] <lloz> Hm, well as long as there wasn't some documentation I was missing, I'll just flatten my preseeds for the ubiquity installs
[21:11] <cyphermox> cjwatson: you're too fast!
[21:12]  * cyphermox was still looking at preseed and retrieving casper :)
[21:12] <lloz> Thank you :-)
[21:12] <cyphermox> cjwatson: thanks!
[22:12] <lloz> I promised to provide a minimal(-ish) example: here it is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13496264/
[22:12] <lloz> It still uses packer, but just because I'm lazy and prefer for packer to setup the env, host the preseeds and put in the boot-line for me...
[22:13] <lloz> (My answer was questioned, but for posterity and such..)
[22:13] <lloz> (My question was answered*)


[12:38] <tseng> who was complaining about the muine tray icon
[12:38] <tseng> Amaranth?
[12:38] <Amaranth> hi
[12:39] <tseng> was that you?
[12:39] <Amaranth> yeah
[12:39] <tseng> yeah
[12:39] <tseng> i fixed it :D
[12:39] <tseng> and
[12:39] <tseng> added the inotify plugin
[12:39] <Amaranth> yay!
[12:39] <tseng> double yay
[12:39] <Amaranth> yay!
[12:39] <tseng> man
[12:39] <tseng> i cant wait for dbus now
[12:39] <Amaranth> you're awesome
[12:39] <tseng> *G*
[12:39] <tseng> the next upload will be so hardcore
[12:40] <DanielN> hm.. i know it's late already, but i have a question about understanding the cxx trans process
[12:44] <whiprush> hey tseng. How are you going to package muine plugins?
[12:44] <whiprush> independently or as one package?
[12:44] <tseng> whiprush: inotify has to be part of muine for now
[12:45] <tseng> whiprush: and its probably going to be merged upstream like that
[12:45] <whiprush> I hope so.
[12:45] <tseng> the other ones will be their own package
[12:45] <tseng> like muine-ipod
[12:45] <whiprush> k
[12:45] <tseng> and audioscrobbler
[12:45] <tseng> i love that one too
[12:45] <whiprush> dude, ruffle is so <3
[12:45] <tseng> dude
[12:45] <tseng> ruffle needs a fucking patch, right?
[12:46] <whiprush> no, just .8.3
[12:46] <whiprush> the one not in hoary.
[12:46] <tseng> oh yeah?
[12:46] <whiprush> yeah
[12:46] <whiprush> all it needs is the newest muine
[12:46] <tseng> hm ill try it now
[12:46] <tseng> we'll need a meta package
[12:46] <tseng> tsengs-sweet-muine-love
[12:46] <whiprush> when your queue runs out it'll plop in 10 more songs according to the weights you give it.
[12:46] <tseng> to install them all.
[12:47] <whiprush> the audioscrobbler weight generates your playlist based on your audioscrobbler profile.
[12:47] <whiprush> it's ninja
[12:47] <tseng> oh no shit
[12:47] <whiprush> yeah
[12:47] <tseng> <3 audioscrobbler
[12:47] <whiprush> and you can slide a slider "more randomness" or "more songs that I like alot".
[12:48] <tseng> hm that was too easy
[12:48] <tseng> i tried this thing a few months ago
[12:48] <tseng> and it was hard
[12:48] <whiprush> yeah it sucked until recently
[12:49] <tseng> so um
[12:49] <tseng> oh i need to import
[12:50] <whiprush> yeah
[12:50] <whiprush> takes a bit
[12:50] <whiprush> but worth it
[12:50] <tseng> does it know wheni skip things
[12:50] <whiprush> yeah
[12:50] <tseng> k.
[12:50] <tseng> man
[12:51] <tseng> i can be a bigger muine elitist bastard than ever before
[12:51] <whiprush> heh
[12:53] <tseng> this is brillaint.
[12:53] <Amaranth> tseng: nice
[12:53] <whiprush> yeah it's awesome.
[12:53] <whiprush> take that amarok!
[12:55] <Amaranth> is audioscrobbler built into this package?
[12:55] <whiprush> it's built into amarok.
[12:55] <whiprush> muine has a plugin
[12:55] <tseng> Amaranth: no
[12:55] <tseng> but i am thinking of packaging the following sweetness:
[12:55] <Amaranth> eek, it made two tray icons
[12:55] <tseng> ascrobbler, ruffle, muine-burn, muine-ipod
[12:55] <Amaranth> oh, because i have my own plugin installed too
[12:55] <tseng> eh?
[12:55] <tseng> oh
[12:56] <whiprush> a muine-plugins metapackage would be nice too
[12:56] <tseng> i said that
[12:56] <whiprush> oh
[12:56] <Amaranth> doesn't muine-ipod need libfaad?
[12:56] <tseng> hrm no?
[12:56] <tseng> if you want aac i guess
[12:56] <whiprush> I think it just talks to gstreamer
[12:56] <Amaranth> oh, just gstreamer-faad (and libfaad through that)
[12:56] <tseng> i tried to package muine-aac
[12:57] <tseng> but it didnt come out working
[12:57] <Amaranth> muine-aac? that's crack
[12:57] <tseng> and i cant split it up either
[12:57] <Amaranth> i've got aac files, they work fine
[12:57] <Amaranth> because gstreamer supports them
[12:57] <tseng> in muine?
[12:57] <tseng> no
[12:57] <tseng> it cant read the metadata
[12:57] <Amaranth> err
[12:57] <Amaranth> it doesn't use gstreamer for that?
[12:57] <tseng> no
[12:57] <tseng> not yet
[12:57] <tseng> gst# has no release
[12:57] <tseng> bbiab
[12:57] <Amaranth> oh, i guess it doesn't read them
[12:58] <Amaranth> i don't listen to them much
[12:58] <Amaranth> btw, sonance in cvs has it's won gst-sharp.dll
[12:58] <Amaranth> err, own
[03:37] <tseng> Amaranth: hm
[03:37] <tseng> Amaranth: yeah the probably rolled in the source since its too unstable to depend on cvs
[03:37] <Amaranth> yeah, so if he ever releases 0.4 it could be packaged :)
[03:38] <tseng> Amaranth: thats pretty shitty.
[03:38] <tseng> meebey wants to package it
[03:39] <Amaranth> if he dropped the goofy images sonance would look nice
[03:39] <Amaranth> http://sonance.aaronbock.net/screenshots/0.4-teaser/sonance-0.4-teaser.png
[03:39] <tseng> it would look like rythmbox with less sucking
[03:39] <Amaranth> the music notes and the msn messenger people, i mean
[03:39] <Amaranth> hey, rhythmbox 0.9 before the end of this month
[03:39] <tseng> im not sure why I care
[03:39] <tseng> besides playbin
[03:39] <tseng> which isnt in yet
[03:40] <Amaranth> audio cd burning and tag editing
[03:40] <tseng> yawn
[03:40] <tseng> (muine has plugins for both)
[03:40] <Amaranth> not in ubuntu it doesn't :)
[03:40] <tseng> dude
[03:40] <tseng> they couldnt get any easier to install
[03:40] <Amaranth> i know, it's just fun poking you :D
[03:41] <Amaranth> no offense
[03:42] <tseng> yeah thats fine
[03:42] <tseng> im easy to troll
[03:42] <tseng> did you try out the inotify love?
[03:43] <Amaranth> i don't know how
[03:43] <tseng> oh
[03:43] <Amaranth> drop a new file in ~/Music and it automatically shows up?
[03:43] <Amaranth> take one out and it goes away?
[03:43] <tseng> just dump new music into your watched folder
[03:43] <tseng> whatever is in the muine gconf key
[03:43] <tseng> as watched_folders
[03:43] <tseng> its totally rad
[03:44] <Amaranth> taking things out doesn't work
[03:44] <tseng> hm
[03:44] <tseng> we can make that a feature request
[03:44] <tseng> adding is way cooler
[03:44] <Amaranth> i have nothing to add
[03:44] <tseng> :(
[03:45] <Amaranth> Error loading plug-in InotifyPlugin.dll: /home/travis/Desktop/drivel-2.0.0/~/Music
[03:45] <Amaranth> whoops
[03:45] <Amaranth> oh, it's a bug in the gconf key
[03:45] <tseng> hm
[03:46] <Amaranth> wow, it worked
[03:46] <tseng> yeah I hate the Status window in Sonance
[03:46] <Amaranth> i just had to remove ~/Music from my watched dirs (i already had /home/travis/Music/)
[03:46] <tseng> it has like 30 widgets all showing progress
[03:46] <tseng> a spinner, a progress bar, a text widget
[03:47] <Amaranth> this is so cool
[03:47] <tseng> and you can hide some of them to make the tiny window smaller
[03:47] <tseng> yeah it is.. do you have Ruffle?
[03:48] <Amaranth> nope
[03:49] <Amaranth> gimme a dll? :)
[03:49] <tseng> dude its easy
[03:49] <tseng> get the tarball of the muine plugins page
[03:49] <tseng> make; make install
[03:49] <tseng> then go to ruffle - prefs - synchronize
[03:50] <tseng> and you can start building cool random playlists
[03:50] <Amaranth> um, i can't find a tarball for the plugins
[03:50] <tseng> http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/users/mrm21/ruffle/ruffle-0.3.0b2.tar.gz
[03:51] <Amaranth> oh, you meant for just ruffle
[03:51] <Amaranth> i was looking for a tarball of all of them :)
[03:51] <tseng> no.
[03:54] <Amaranth> yay, it stopped halfway through reading tag info
[03:54] <tseng> yay
[03:54] <Amaranth> probably on the same file easytag and tagtool segfault on
[03:55] <tseng> sounds right
[03:55] <tseng> they all use the same libraries
[03:55] <Amaranth> yep
[03:56] <Amaranth> Unhandled Exception: System.Exception: Don't know how to deal with this version.in <0x0005f> Muine.Ruffle.ID3v2:ReadFrameLength () in <0x00081> Muine.Ruffle.ID3v2:ReadHeader () in <0x00113> Muine.Ruffle.ID3v2:Read () in <0x00035> Muine.Ruffle.MP3Reader:Read () in <0x00020> Muine.Ruffle.TagReader:Read () in <0x00374> Muine.Ruffle.RuffleWindow:LoadFileInfo () in (wrapper delegate-invoke) System.MulticastDelegate:invoke_void ()
[03:56] <Amaranth> way to catch those exceptions ruffle!
[04:03] <Amaranth> fixed that..
[05:26] <HostingGeek> clustered resource group manager
[05:26] <HostingGeek> yeah yeah yeah we miss a description!
[05:27] <HostingGeek> Nice one
[05:55] <chillywilly> wow, they fianlly released sarge...I didn't even notice that
[05:55] <chillywilly> only took 3 years
[05:55] <chillywilly> ;P
[05:58] <HostingGeek> chillywilly: your old
[05:58] <HostingGeek> it happened when it was meant to happen
[05:59] <HostingGeek> on the 6th
[05:59] <HostingGeek> with one last min dalay
[05:59] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: you'll love these screenshots i have
[05:59] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: http://dev.realistanew.com/compare.png http://dev.realistanew.com/compare2.png
[05:59] <Amaranth> smeg and gmenu-simple-editor/smeg and gnome-menu-editor
[06:01] <HostingGeek> FAKE!
[06:02] <HostingGeek> Photoshoped!
[06:02] <HostingGeek> :P
[06:02] <HostingGeek> Gimped!
[06:04] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: why does everything come late?
[06:04] <HostingGeek> When we needed menu editors we had none
[06:04] <chillywilly> in 3 years time Ubuntu will have 6 releases...
[06:04] <Amaranth> sure we did
[06:04] <HostingGeek> When we get a menu editor we get 4
[06:04] <Amaranth> smeg 0.1 was out about a month after 2.10 was released
[06:04] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: yea xfce's
[06:04] <Amaranth> it's really coming into it's prime now though
[06:04] <HostingGeek> AFTER
[06:05] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: I didn't know what was going on with the menus in 2.9, otherwise I would have started sooner. :)
[06:07] <HostingGeek> " Welcome to Amaranth Networks, Inc. Amaranth Networks was founded in 1998. Our company provides software and network consulting services to small and mid-sized businesses."
[06:07] <HostingGeek> 0.o
[06:07] <Amaranth> not me
[06:08] <Amaranth> I'd write "Welcome to Amaranth Networks, Inc. Founded in 1998, our company provides software and network consulting services to small and mid-sized businesses."
[06:08] <Amaranth> because i, like, know english and stuff
[06:31] <HostingGeek>  small and mid-sized businesses."
 because i, like, know english and stuff
[06:31] <HostingGeek> OOOOOOOOOOOps
[06:32] <Amaranth> hehe
[06:32] <Amaranth> i copied their typo
[06:32] <Amaranth> and the other line was supposed to be funny
[08:53] <Amaranth> are things just not getting updated lately or are the buildds stuck on trying to compile java and mono things?
[09:30] <aiw> hi
[09:31] <ivoks> hi
[09:31] <ivoks> this is a place where universe is made
[09:31] <aiw> i would be glad to help, in whatever limited way my meager skills allow
[09:32] <ivoks> you are good for start
[09:32] <aiw> i read about 'masters of the universe' on the slashdot interview with mark shuttleworth
[09:32] <ivoks> better then me when i started
[09:32] <aiw> :-) i am sure you are too kind
[09:33] <ivoks> trust me :)
[09:33] <ivoks> aiw: you just have to read couple of things
[09:33] <aiw> well, the build finished, now i have a bunch of .debs!
[09:33] <aiw> sure, i like to read
[09:33] <ivoks> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[09:34] <ivoks> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[09:39] <aiw> ok, i will work on those, what's next?
[09:40] <ivoks> get familliar with packaging
[09:40] <ivoks> and hang out here
[09:40] <ivoks> you will learn a lot
[09:40] <ivoks> then you can apply for member, and eventually for MOTU
[09:41] <aiw> cool, how long have you been working on ubuntu?
[09:43] <ivoks> a month :)
[09:45] <aiw> well, you have moved right along then
[09:45] <aiw> well, imap now works again!, but squirrelmail is broken
[09:46] <ivoks> squirrelmail?
[09:46] <ivoks> squirrelmail works great with imap
[09:46] <ivoks> i have couple of installations
[09:47] <aiw> i have been using it for years, and love it, it was working until i id the sarge upgrade this evening
[09:47] <ivoks> aiw: you have to reconfigure it
[09:47] <ivoks> to use IMAP
[09:48] <aiw> ivoks: it has always been configured to use imap,
[09:48] <ivoks> i have this: Maildir | pop3/imap | mail apps (squirellmail, mutt, evolution)
[09:48] <aiw> i run qmail, vpopmail for vitrual domains, and squirrelmail/courier-imap
[09:48] <ivoks> i like postfix :)
[09:49] <aiw> ivoks: this server has a few dozen domains on it
[09:49] <ivoks> aiw there is some squirelmail-configure tools
[09:49] <aiw> qmail has been wonderful, but it isn't supported at al under debian, so i am considering changing to something supported by debian
[09:50] <ivoks> debian is pushing exim...
[09:50] <ivoks> i prefere postfix
[09:51] <ivoks> well... time to go...
[09:51] <whiprush> aiw: you want postfix dude.
[09:51] <aiw> ivoks: thanks for all your help, i learned alot
[09:51] <ivoks> np
[09:52] <whiprush> if you look in /etc/squirrelmail there's a configure perl script.
[09:52] <whiprush> run that, fill in the stuff, and sqmail should work great
[09:52] <aiw> whiprush: is there a way to migrate all my mail accounts from vpopmail to whatever does virtual domains under postfix?
[09:53] <whiprush> hard question.
[09:53] <whiprush> how do you store your mail on your server?
[09:53] <whiprush> maildirs, mbox?
[09:53] <ivoks> maildir rulz :)
[09:54] <aiw> maildirs
[09:54] <aiw> it's a qmail installation
[09:55] <ivoks> maildir is qmail invention :)
[09:55] <aiw> qmail has been rock solid for something like 7 years now, migrated through several servers, redhat, suse, debian
[09:55] <aiw> that dan berstein must be one smart guy
[09:55] <whiprush> all you should need to do is tell postfix to deliver to those maildirs.
[09:55] <ivoks> yeah
[09:56] <ivoks> and, change login.defs
[09:56] <ivoks> and pam.d/login
[09:56] <ivoks> and pam.d/su
[09:56] <ivoks> :)
[09:56] <ivoks> ssh too
[09:56] <whiprush> on my system it's home_mailbox = ~/Maildir in /etc/postix/main.cf
[09:57] <aiw> how will i get all the domains/accounts/passwords into postfix? I have been using vpopmail for virtual mail domains
[09:57] <aiw> there are no local accounts, everyone is virtual
[09:57] <whiprush> you'd have to recreate those for postfix.
[09:57] <whiprush> I've never used virtual users though
[09:57] <whiprush> so I have no idea.
[09:57] <aiw> yikes, there are hundreds, or thousands
[09:58] <whiprush> I have the postfix book, but it's at work so I can't look that up for you at the moment
[09:58] <schweeb> there's documentation on it
[09:58] <schweeb> at postfix's site
[09:58] <aiw> i will take alook
[09:59] <aiw> the config to make qmail work under debian is torturous
[11:45] <\sh> mornin
[02:48] <tseng> great flame bait on osnews today
[02:48] <tseng> "time to get smart"
[03:22] <ivoks> hi MOTUs
[03:22] <tseng> hi.
[03:25] <ivoks> anything new on brave packageing frontier? :)
[03:25] <tseng> yes, the next muine upload will rock
[03:25] <ivoks> rock on! :)
[03:26] <tseng> inotify++
[03:26] <ivoks> what about rhythmbox?
[03:26] <tseng> who cares
[03:26] <ivoks> :))
[03:26] <tseng> no, i just tried to build it from cvs
[03:26] <tseng> i cant
[03:27] <ivoks> opencv is giving me kopfsmerz
[03:28] <ivoks> there was version 0.9.6 in sid
[03:28] <ivoks> i packaged it for ubuntu, it's FTBS
[03:28] <ivoks> and now there is 0.9.5 in sid
[03:28] <ivoks> i guess they have same problems :)
[03:30] <tseng> headache?
[03:30] <ivoks> yeah, headache
[03:30] <tseng> ive never heard "smerz"
[03:31] <DanielN> schmertz :)
[03:31] <ivoks> i couldn't remeber spelling in english
[03:31] <ivoks> lol, german spelling was bad either :)
[03:31] <DanielN> ;)
[03:31] <ivoks> kopfschmertz
[03:31] <DanielN> argh
[03:31] <DanielN> sorry
[03:31] <DanielN> kopschmerz
[03:31] <DanielN> without t
[03:31] <ivoks> oh, ok
[03:31] <DanielN> :)
[03:31] <ivoks> ja, ja... :)
[03:32] <DanielN> ah, ivoks: when needs still a third reviewer ;>
[03:32] <ivoks> lol
[03:32] <ivoks> ok...
[03:32] <DanielN> hihi
[03:32] <DanielN> hurry up, ivoks :P
[03:33] <ivoks> take it easy...
[03:34] <ivoks> i have one package there that was before you, and it still isn't reviewed :(
[03:36] <ivoks> HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
[03:36] <ivoks> lol, big package :)
[03:37] <ivoks> This package was debianized by Daniel Neuenschwander - that's a lie :)
[03:37] <DanielN> ivoks: lol, cool down.. i wouldn't stress you up ;)
[03:38] <DanielN> ivoks: huh?
[03:38] <ivoks> debian-stuff/ is from upstream
[03:38] <ivoks> it has everything in it :)
[03:39] <DanielN> yeah
[03:39] <DanielN> i know that
[03:39] <ivoks> install --mode=755 temp /tmp/when-1.0.23/debian/when/usr/bin/when
[03:39] <ivoks> ?
[03:39] <ivoks> ah... ok :)
[03:39] <DanielN> :)
[03:40] <ivoks> looks ok
[03:41] <DanielN> cool
[03:42] <ivoks> ok, it get's my approval
[03:42] <DanielN> woho.. thanks
[03:42] <DanielN> :>
[03:43] <ivoks> i can't upload it
[03:43] <ivoks> but, hey, you'll get my vote
[03:44] <DanielN> ivoks: ah, right you're not MOTU yet
[03:45] <DanielN> :)
[03:45] <ivoks> i am, but... doh...
[03:45] <ivoks> still don't have upload account
[03:45] <DanielN> ;(
[03:45] <DanielN> hehe
[03:47] <ivoks> there, are you happy now? :)
[03:57] <tseng> wth cant i make new folders in gconf-editor
[03:59] <ivoks> doh... time to go...
[03:59] <ivoks> see you!
[04:10] <tseng> so should i name muine plugins packages like
[04:10] <tseng> muine-ipod, or muine-plugins-ipod
[04:15] <DanielN> i've got a question about the cxx transition
[04:15] <ogra> muine-ipod-support ?
[04:15] <DanielN> is the debdiff all i have to provide?
[04:16] <ogra> yes, attach it to the bug...
[04:16] <DanielN> yeah, i'm doing it like that. but is that all? no source package in anyway?
[04:18] <ogra> the debdiff is enough
[04:19] <DanielN> cool :)
[04:37] <DanielN> arghl, the session handling of the ubuntulinux.org wiki is silly :/
[05:02] <abarbaccia> hahah - i love the topic - every time i come back to see how people are doing theres something new to NOT complain about for 2 weeks
[05:19] <DanielN> \sh: ping :)
[05:43] <tseng> oh man that looks awful
[05:43] <tseng> selecting multiple albums in a row in muine with new clearlooks gradient stuff
[05:43] <|QuaD-_> whats clearlooks?
[05:47] <tseng> the default gtk theme in ubuntu?
[05:48] <|QuaD-_> oh, lol
[06:05] <\sh> re
[07:07] <DanielN> \sh: ping
[07:10] <\sh> DanielN: pong
[07:11] <\sh> anybodies coming to the "World Youth Day 2005 in Cologne"?
[07:11] <\sh> hmmm
[07:11] <\sh> right...is anybody coming ;)
[07:24] <\sh> DanielN: hrdb5?
[08:01] <siretart> hi folks!
[08:25] <siretart> mfgalizi: which package?
[08:28] <mfgalizi> siretart: libxvmcw
[08:29] <siretart> mfgalizi: I never heard about it. Is it a cxx transition, or just an updated or a NEW package?
[08:29] <siretart> mfgalizi: where can I look at the source?
[08:29] <mfgalizi> NEW
[08:29] <mfgalizi> unichrome.sf.net
[08:30] <siretart> mfgalizi: please add it to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages then
[08:30] <mfgalizi> k...
[08:31] <siretart> mfgalizi: isn't there an ITP for debian ongoing for this lib?
[08:31] <mfgalizi> I didn't see one.
[08:31] <mfgalizi> I'll check again (that would be fantastic)
[08:31] <siretart> ah, now I see it
[08:32] <siretart> you requested sponsorship for it for debian, right?
[08:32] <mfgalizi> :)
[08:32] <mfgalizi> got nothing back though
[08:32] <siretart> mfgalizi: thats sad. perhaps you should ask in #debian-mentors. If it gets included in debian, we will sync it automatically to ubuntu
[08:33] <mfgalizi> ok
[08:33] <mfgalizi> ty
[08:33] <siretart> mfgalizi: and you really should file an ITP against WNPP
[08:33] <Burgundavia> siretart, did you get anywhere the the glest package?
[08:34] <siretart> Burgundavia: sorry
[08:39] <Burgundavia> np
[08:39] <Burgundavia> the cxx transition is more important
[09:26] <ivoks> hi all
[09:42] <ivoks> YEAH!
[09:42] <ivoks> it compiles
[09:43] <Mithrandir> SHIP IT!
[09:43] <Mithrandir> :-)
[09:43] <ivoks> Mithrandir: time to test it on amd64
[09:44] <ivoks> Mithrandir: lesstif2-dev tk8.4-dev tcl8.4-dev libxaw7-dev (please) :)
[09:45] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: doesn't that amd64 thingie have pbuilder? :-P
[09:46] <Mithrandir> ivoks: done.
[09:46] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: pbuilder is Arch: all
[09:46] <ivoks> thanks
[09:47] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: hmm, never mind me. I forgot to think.
[09:47] <siretart> ivoks: remember our gmx / webdav discussion? I just found this one: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153054
[09:49] <ivoks> siretart: gmx returns wrong error
[09:49] <ivoks> siretart: instead of noauth error
[09:49] <ivoks> siretart: it returns no such dir
[09:50] <ivoks> that's the problem...
[09:50] <ivoks> when nautilus revices no such dir, it quits connection
[09:51] <ivoks> well... in gnome they know that problem
[09:52] <ivoks> so they will find workaround
[10:14] <ivoks> Mithrandir: :)
[10:14] <ivoks> Mithrandir: libraw1394-dev libdc1394-13-dev libgtk2.0-dev
[10:21] <siretart> w000h000. the new source package format of the dpkg 1.13 branch really ROCKS!
[10:29] <ivoks> doko: ping
[10:29] <doko> pong
[10:29] <ivoks> doko: opencv can be build against ffmpeg
[10:29] <ivoks> should i do that, or leave package as is
[10:30] <ivoks> (not compiled with ffmpeg support)
[10:30] <doko> hmm, Is this necessary?
[10:30] <ivoks> no
[10:30] <ivoks> it's an option
[10:30] <ivoks> i guess it wasn't included
[10:30] <ivoks> cause ffmpeg wasn't in debian
[10:30] <doko> are there license issues, i.e. are you allowed to link it?
[10:30] <ivoks> now it is.
[10:31] <ivoks> ffmpeg is GPL
[10:32] <ivoks> acording to /usr/share/doc/ffmpeg/copyright
[10:37] <siretart> I remember jvw talking about patent issus under consideration for ffmpeg in debian on some list
[10:37] <siretart> I don't have references, though..
[10:37] <doko> ivoks: well, do it, put a separate patch int the archive and point Debian to it
[10:37] <ivoks> doko: ok
[10:38] <doko> ivoks: or ask jvm first ... ;-)
[10:39] <ivoks> first, i have to build it with or without ffmpeg on amd64 :)
[10:41] <ivoks> yuhu! builded
[10:46] <ivoks> doko: well, there is no patch for ffmpeg support
[10:47] <ivoks> doko: only change in debian/control (added libavcodec-dev as dependecy)
[10:51] <doko> ivoks: that is a patch :)
[10:51] <ivoks> :))
[10:51] <ivoks> ah, allright...
[10:56] <Mithrandir> ivoks: done
[10:56] <ivoks> thanks :)
[11:05] <ivoks> Mithrandir: and libavcodec-dev :)
[11:05] <ivoks> Mithrandir: sorry :(
[11:13] <Mithrandir> ivoks: done
[11:14] <ivoks> you are so sweet :)
[11:16] <ivoks> uh...
[11:16] <ivoks> opencv is finally ok
[11:17] <ivoks> next target... openscenegraph
[11:28] <dooglus> package libcurses-perl doesn't contain anything but documentation any more.  is that a bug?
[11:30] <ivoks> dooglus: does it depend on other packages?
[11:31] <dooglus> ivoks: Depends: perl
[11:32] <dooglus> ivoks: libcurses-perl_1.08b-1_i386.deb contained a .so, a .bs and a .pm
[11:32] <dooglus> ivoks: but libcurses-perl_1.12-1_i386.deb is missing all 3 of those
[11:32] <dooglus> ivoks: is there somewhere I can see the history of the package, to see if the change was deliberate or accidental?  like a CVS log, or something?
[11:34] <ivoks> hm...
[11:34] <ivoks>  /usr/share/doc/libcurses-perl/changelog.Debian.gz
[11:34] <dooglus> I see /usr/share/doc/libcurses-perl/changelog.Debian.gz - but that doesn't tell me much.  the last change was "  * New upstream release"
[11:35] <ivoks> check tja\\hat
[11:35] <ivoks> dooglus: contact maintainer
[11:35] <dooglus> ivoks: contact maintainer, or raise a bug in the bug system?
[11:36] <dooglus> Maintainer: Jay Bonci<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-- is that who you mean?  Or would there be a Ubuntu guy?
[11:37] <ivoks> file a bug report
[11:37] <ivoks> i'm off to bed
[11:37] <ivoks> by all
[11:58] <tseng> hi
[12:00] <Nafallo> hi tseng :-)
[12:01] <tseng> whats up


[04:49] <Fudge> hi regarding lucid, does 10.04.3 <IP_ADDRESS>.40  have speakup kernels?
[04:52] <dtchen> Fudge: it should; see `modinfo speakup`
[04:57] <Fudge> dtchen  im preparing to update vinux build scripts for lucid and wondered if we will still need to install speakup_source for every new kernel or if lucid has been updated with speakup in kernel, so not currently on a lucid system
[04:57] <Fudge> hope explained clear :)
[05:04] <dtchen> Fudge: it looks like you'll need to continue installing speakup_source
[05:04] <dtchen> Fudge: (at least my cursory grep of the configs in ubuntu-lucid.git/debian* doesn't show it enabled)
[05:06] <Fudge> dtchen  thank you for taking the time to look mate
[05:07] <Fudge> I guess its not that simple to request it being included in kernels for 10.4.4
[05:09] <dtchen> Fudge: true, but there are lts-backport-natty and lts-backport-oneiric branches, too
[05:12] <Fudge> ah yes ofc, that makes things easy, just enable those repos and fetch a enw kernel?
[05:12] <Fudge> enw
[05:12] <Fudge> sorry, new loL hope u can  read typonees dtchen
[05:18] <sgs2_usr> is there something wrong with kernel 3.0 which breaks the bluetooth file transfer?
[05:25] <dtchen> Fudge: e.g., http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lts-backport-natty&searchon=names&suite=lucid&section=all
[11:15] <nusch_> Hi, I've just upgraded from 4GB RAM to 8GB on x86_64 kubuntu system. Kernel started to be extremally slow - every tty line lasts 20x times slower than on previous config. I logs I see a lot of "RCU detected CPU 0 stall". Where I can start debug the problem or what's more info you need?
[11:51] <nusch_> also I have SysRq Call trace, which I rewriten from screen, what could be done with that ? It's in a form of hex bytes, should I decode it to asm opcodes or binary grep kernel or modules for occurence of that stream ?
[14:50] <ghostcube> hi folks anything new about this one here
[14:50] <ghostcube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/859075
[14:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 859075 in linux "Oneiric does not shutdown" [Undecided,Invalid]
[15:19] <ghostcube> hmmm got a soloution for kde as it seems
[15:19] <ghostcube> i commented the bug
[16:38] <random42> is it possible for the kernel to drop request even after disabling the tcp_syncookies ?
[16:38] <random42> I am getting "TCP: Possible SYN flooding on port 64271. Dropping request."
[16:38] <random42> the port in question happens to be my torrent port
[16:38] <random42> and I used to get "... sending syncookies" in the syslog
[16:42] <ohsix> theres syncookies and then theres the max syn backlog
[16:42] <ohsix> which here is 2048
[16:46] <random42> sorry, I had to restart because of a nasty xserver-video-driver bug
[16:46] <random42> did anyone respond to my query?
[16:56] <random42> hmm, never mind, I am going over to #deluge for this, but if you want to know whats the issue you can look at http://forum.deluge-torrent.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36227


[15:38] <CoconutCrab> sure
[23:27] <avis> hello.  i am not guilty Michela, of going to the playground for kids at all and it wa sonly Iowa not me proven by NASA alone. i am micheal.  that gets me out of here.
[23:27] <avis> i hope you will benefit from all that i have left
[23:27] <avis> not guilty coquite
[23:27] <avis> a gift from Mary.
[23:28] <avis> Iowa guy went there, thats what i know.  the worm Dune didn't like the red one.


[06:03] <Kilos>  brrrrr
[06:04] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:04] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy
[06:06] <Kilos> morning andrewlsd Cryterion inetpro MaNI paddatrapper Sicelo zipper and lurkers
[06:06] <zipper> Kilos: Morning
[06:06] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[06:08] <paddatrapper> Morning Kilos, thatgraemeguy, chesedo, everyone
[06:09] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo
[06:21] <Cryterion> Mornings
[06:40] <chesedo-> ohi paddatrapper Kilos thatgraemeguy Cryterion and others
[06:50] <pavlushka> inetpro: if I am allowed then please approve me on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa. :)
[06:52] <Kilos> done
[06:53] <pavlushka> Thanks Kilos :)
[06:53] <Kilos> yw
[06:55] <pavlushka> Kilos: lol, what is this? "yw =  you are welcome" ? then you should not complain for the shortcuts, :p
[06:55] <Kilos> you're welcome
[06:55] <Kilos> standard all over
[06:56] <Kilos> your shortcuts are gibberish
[07:20] <andrewlsd> Hi all.
[07:21] <andrewlsd> (Hi Kilos)
[07:21] <andrewlsd> I don't think theblazehen will be here much today, he's at training.
[07:22] <andrewlsd> itisgagsc
[07:22] <andrewlsd> ^ shortcut: I think I should go and get some coffee
[07:22] <andrewlsd> (not a standard though)
[07:22]  * andrewlsd winks at pavlushka and Kilos
[07:41]  * andrewlsd disappears in lurker mode again.
[08:10] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[08:13]  * pavlushka is in rofl mode
[08:13] <pavlushka> Kilos: you liked that?
[08:14] <pavlushka> Ans Hi andrewlsd (in lurker mode)!
[08:14] <pavlushka> *and
[08:15] <Kilos> haha
[08:48] <magespawn> good morning
[08:53] <pavlushka> magespawn: Good Morning!
[08:56] <magespawn> how are you pavlushka ?
[08:57] <pavlushka> magespawn: cool and you?
[09:01] <magespawn> all good
[09:02] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[09:05] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[11:06] <jerit> Happy Friday everyone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
[11:41] <jerit> anyone know if I can make the tabs in nano smaller? Damn things are enormous
[11:49] <Kilos> thats so you can see them and not make mistakes
[12:12] <ra1v3n> Hello All
[12:12] <Kilos> hi ra1v3n
[12:12] <ra1v3n> Hi Kilos how are you
[12:13] <Kilos> ok ty and you
[12:14] <ra1v3n> Im good thanx
[12:31] <theblazehen> jerit_: Got a screenshot?
[12:36] <ra1v3n> I back
[12:37] <ra1v3n> network is faulty today
[14:19] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[14:20] <superfly> hi Kilos
[16:51] <ra1v3n> gnyt all
[17:08] <Kilos> hi d`_`b
[17:08] <d`_`b> Hi Kilos
[17:08] <Kilos> such a lekker nick only d tab needed
[17:10] <d`_`b> Well what other K hangs around in these parts?
[17:10] <d`_`b> k tab has the same result
[17:10] <Kilos> haha
[17:11] <Kilos> s doesnt work
[17:11] <Kilos> too many of them
[17:11] <Kilos> s tab tab tab tab
[17:11] <Kilos> sigh
[17:11] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:02] <magespawn> good night all home time
[18:02] <Kilos> later magespawn
[18:29] <Kilos> Maaz lpi manual
[18:29] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[18:42] <Kilos> oh my where the fly
[19:11] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:20] <SEptic> gosh ...
[19:20] <SEptic> why is za.archive.ubuntu.com so farting slow these last few days?


[00:29] <freeroute> hi, I just installed 12.04 and I noticed that switching desktops doesn't work anymore with AltGr+Ctrl+Arrows, can anyone else reproduce this?
[01:07] <kanliot> freeroute control+alt + left,right arrows work
[02:35] <Duke_> What is the command to copy all files from A folder to B folder in console?
[02:41] <kanliot> mv
[02:41] <kanliot> i mean cp
[02:45] <kanliot> cp -r A B
[02:46] <kanliot> no wait it cp -t B A/*
[02:49] <Duke_> thnx :)
[10:22] <XaaaaD> Ciao a tutti :)
[10:22] <XaaaaD> Hi there... Need some help with Lubuntu
[10:23] <XaaaaD> I have upgraded to 12.04 but my sound was now disappeared... What to do now?
[11:32] <leszek> hi
[12:56] <micheg> hi, where is lubuntu menu configuration file?
[13:11] <holstein> micheg: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Main_Menu work for you?
[13:11] <holstein> i dont have it running in front of me, or look
[13:12] <holstein> or i would look*
[13:14] <micheg> thx i'm lookin
[13:14] <micheg> looking
[13:30] <micheg> i have create an entry in /usr/share/applications/sublime.desktop
[13:30] <micheg> and reload panel with lxpanelctl restart
[13:30] <micheg> but i do not see
[13:31] <holstein> the panel is not generating that is it?... i would probably log out and back in to be sure... did you see the structure of your menu there?
[13:31] <micheg> yes i see all, except "development"
[13:32] <micheg> i have removed gnumeric.desktop for trying and no gnumeric in menu so reload work ;-)
[13:32] <micheg> works
[13:32] <micheg> but i try to logoff
[13:32] <holstein> i would doublecheck what you added then.. sounds like you are in the right place
[13:36] <micheg> http://pastebin.com/dLQcpsq8
[13:37] <holstein> its not showing up? or its not working?
[13:38] <holstein> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxmed/ is suggested
[13:38] <micheg> not show
[13:38] <micheg> i have tryed and on lxmed is showed ;-)
[13:39] <holstein> then, i would compare what lxmed adds and what you add... maybe you can see what the issue is
[13:39] <micheg> sure, done some text
[13:40] <micheg> maybe need relog, when i have finished a compile i try. but it is not important have it on menu
[13:40] <micheg> but if it shows is better ;-)
[17:59] <smile> Who is LStranger? :)
[18:30] <smile> bye :)
[20:24] <Mobil> Hi. Does lubuntu 11.10 support USB 3.0?
[20:25] <bioterror> Mobil, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4zLH22Jz6I probably
[20:33] <Mobil> bioterror, alright because I'm having a weird issue...I'm trying to transfer a 10GB file from a usb3.0 box to a usb3.0 external. I know on usb 2.0 the drive does ~33MB/sec transfer rate, but when I start the file transfer on lubuntu, the timer says over 1 hour to completion. got any ideas as to why?
[20:35] <bioterror> is another filesystem NTFS?
[20:35] <Mobil> bioterror, what's even more weird is that I can transfer from lubuntu through samba to my windows box which has the drive at 33MB/sec
[20:35] <Mobil> bioterror, yes
[20:36] <bioterror> that's mostly the problem
[20:36] <Mobil> the filesystem that the file is on is xfs, the external is ntfs
[20:36] <zleap> Mobil, i get the same issue between usb devices usually between an external hdd and a usb flash disk
[20:37] <bioterror> NTFS-3G is slow
[20:38] <Mobil> bioterror, well not really, because when I transfer from lubuntu to windows through network I get ~100MB/sec transfer
[20:38] <bioterror> and?
[20:39] <Mobil> well, windows partition is ntfs, or did you mean the external ntfs is slow?
[20:39] <bioterror> I mean: NTFS-3G is slow
[20:40] <Mobil> oh I see
[20:42] <Mobil> so the best solution is changing the external to a different filesystem?
[20:42] <bioterror> is your cpu usage 100%?
[20:42] <zleap> bioterror, good point i may have a look at that next time its doing a transfer
[20:42] <Mobil> well my lubuntu cpu is an atom, so I'm assuming that it is
[20:43] <Mobil> bioterror, ill double check to make sure
[20:50] <Mobil> bioterror, I'm using ~50-60% of the cpu
[20:50] <bioterror> that should be normal, I gues
[20:51] <micheg> someone used turpial twitter client? it dos not remember my pin
[20:52] <Mobil> bioterror, yea I think so, and for an amd 350 at 1.6GHz, I wouldn't expect much anyways if copying to ntfs is cpu dependent
[20:52] <bioterror> Mobil, does it make difference if you use commandline instead of graphical tools?-)
[20:52] <Mobil> bioterror, let me check :)
[20:52] <bioterror> (wish I had USB3.0 stick, or machines supporting it ;)
[20:53] <bioterror> actually, my HTPC has usb 3.0 :-)
[20:53] <Mobil> bioterror, this box was supposed to be my HTPC (with xbmc)
[20:54] <Mobil> bioterror, but it's also my NAS box too :D
[20:54] <bioterror> I have AT5IONT-I
[20:55] <Mobil> bioterror, I have the asus e35m1-m pro I think.. it's a cpu/mobo combo for 100 bucks
[20:55] <bioterror> not bad
[20:56] <bioterror> I'm waiting my raspberry pi to replace that asus
[20:56] <Mobil> has sata 3 and usb 3..But I guess I should have looked into ntfs-3g
[20:56] <bioterror> I dont use NTFS at all, except on this laptop with w7
[20:58] <Mobil> for me, transfering files between computers on the network is great, it's just that my main pc (win7) is 5 years old and doesn't have sata3.0, so I went and bought this external drive for files on the go.
[20:59] <micheg> and another questin, i use gpointing-device-settings for turning off tap on my touchpad but when i restart i lose my setting
[20:59] <Mobil> bioterror, I honestly thought it was a problem with the drive lubuntu is running on (It's a 10 yearold samsung 80GB drive) :)
[20:59] <bioterror> micheg, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Disable_tap_to_click
[21:05] <Mobil> bioterror, wow it's actually much faster if I just do a cp command
[21:05] <bioterror> Mobil, haha
[21:06] <bioterror> pcmanfm is the bottle neck then
[21:06] <bioterror> Mobil, you can use rsync for example to get the write speeds
[21:06] <Mobil> bioterror, how do you do that with cp command?
[21:07] <Mobil> bioterror, btw cp is only using 7% cpu
[21:08] <Mobil> 6GB file done in ~ 3 minutes...that's something like 60MB/second..much better
[21:12] <bioterror> that's quite acceptable speed
[21:12] <zleap> Mobil, nice
[21:18] <micheg> bioterror thz
[21:18] <bioterror> two satisfied customers, quite good night! ;D
[21:18] <Mobil> bioterror, haha
[21:19] <micheg> i do not have /.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[21:19] <micheg> can create?
[21:19] <bioterror> yes
[21:19] <bioterror> nano ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[21:19] <micheg> gvim
[21:20] <bioterror> @synclient MaxTapTime=0
[21:20] <micheg> done
[21:20] <micheg> not need & at end?
[21:20] <bioterror> no
[21:20] <micheg> ok thx
[21:21] <micheg> i buckmark the faq
[21:21] <bioterror> yeah, it's quite good
[21:22] <micheg> i came from slack. ;-)
[21:22] <micheg> i bit different
[21:22] <micheg> a bit different
[21:23] <bioterror> not that
[21:23] <micheg> sorry for my english
[21:23] <bioterror> slack just drags behind a lot in development
[21:23] <bioterror> last time I checked, they still had this "HAL"
[21:23] <micheg> yes
[21:23] <micheg> a bit too old
[21:24] <micheg> now have new software and lubuntu is really fast
[21:24] <micheg> but i do not like some gtk3 deps
[21:24] <bioterror> oh, SalixOS has Mate
[21:27] <Mobil> bioterror, thanks a lot bioterror for your help. good day!


[20:17] <cmack2> How is the kernel for the ubuntu-server ISO compiled? Are there scripts for this?
[20:19] <CarlFK> cmack2: I am sure it is a package, and I think the -server and desktop now use the same kernel
[20:20] <cmack2> Which package?
[20:23] <CarlFK> linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic (that is what is installed on my desktop )
[20:24] <CarlFK> I am pretty sure, but it would be good if you have a server install handy: apt-cache policy linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic
[21:03] <cmack2> The vmlinuz file from http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic_3.13.0-24.47_amd64.deb differs from vmlinuz file from http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-server-amd64.iso
[21:04] <cmack2> It does not look like the kernel for ubuntu-14.04-server-amd64.iso comes from the linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic_3.13.0-24.47_amd64 package
[21:07] <cmack2> Where else could the kernel in ubuntu-14.04-server-amd64.iso come from?
[21:08] <infinity> cmack2: It's 24.46, not 24.47
[21:09] <infinity> 24.47 was a post-release security update, we didn't hop in a time machine to build the release ISOs with it. ;)
[21:12] <cmack2> The vmlinuz file in the server ISO seems to have additional content at the end than the vmlinuz file in linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic_3.13.0-24.46_amd64.deb
[21:13] <cmack2> It looks like a secure boot signing in the server ISO
[21:13] <cmack2> How is this added?
[21:14] <xnox> linux-image-signed (well the real one) does sbattach to add back the secure-boot signature to the kernel.
[21:14] <xnox> in postinst.
[21:28] <cmack2> xnox: What is "the real one" of linux-image-signed?
[21:31] <xnox> cmack2: linux-signed-generic is just a metapackage which depends on a package with a signature for a matching kernel.
[21:32] <xnox> e.g. linux-image-3.10.0-3-generic 's signature is in linux-signed-image-3.10.0-3-generic


[02:39] <bp0> Strange thing occurring: I "locked to launcher"ed a running app while a file was open (and so the window caption was the file name) and now the little tooltip is always the name of that file rather than the app.
[02:40] <bp0> Even when I remove it from the launcher and open it with no file open... then lock-to-launcher it.. it has the name of that file that was opened when I first lock-to-launchered it
[02:41] <bp0> How do I fix that?


[15:28] <fossfreedom> Anyone around who can also investigate ubuntu.com? 503 error message
[16:05] <Eickmeyer> fossfreedom: That's more of a #canonical-sysadmin question.


[15:52] <tracker1> hello, is this the right place to ask a question about panel plugins?
[15:57] <tracker1> Following the guideline at https://wiki.xfce.org/dev/howto/panel_plugins I cannot seem to add my panel to the "Add items" list
[15:57] <tracker1> although following the exact steps stated in "Testing and Releasing the plugin" section
[16:00] <brainwash> tracker1: you want #xfce-dev
[16:00] <brainwash> this channel is for xubuntu development
[16:00] <tracker1> im sorry! thank you


[03:51] <bigjools> jtv: one thing I forgot to say that we need to think about is to have a way indicate that particular nodes should use a particular bootresource
[03:52] <bigjools> tags seems the obvious choice, but it would need hooking up
[03:53] <jtv> Shouldn't that be controlled by the settings we already have, plus a "label" field?
[03:53] <bigjools> jtv: how would we currently direct a specific node to use a specific kernel?
[03:54] <bigjools> once labels are implemented, I mean
[03:55] <jtv> Aren't arch/subarch/release/label/purpose already the main constraints for that though?
[03:56] <jtv> Although I guess tags make sense for HWE.
[11:05] <Lord_Set> Greetings
[11:09] <jtv> Hi Lord_Set
[11:11] <Lord_Set> How are you jtv?
[11:11] <jtv> Fine here, thanks.  You?
[11:12] <Lord_Set> Good. Ready for work to slow down some lol.
[11:12] <jtv> That's got to be good, the rate you've been going.
[11:12] <Lord_Set> 20+ hour days for the past few weeks...
[11:12] <jtv>  /o\
[11:14] <Lord_Set> Also have some pretty awesome new things in the works. Can you imagine 4800 cores, 1200 phsyical nodes, within 1 rack?
[11:14] <jtv> Nice rack.
[11:14] <Lord_Set> That will be a good test for MAAS ;)
[11:14] <jtv> Yes it will.
[11:15] <Lord_Set> We got the wild hair up our asses about building a scalable and very cost effective solution using ARM.
[11:16] <jtv> Only way you're going to get those numbers!
[11:16] <Lord_Set> Using quad-core A9 or A11 boards with atleast 8gb DDR3 and 8gb internal flash.
[11:16] <jtv> Would be interesting to see where the bottlenecks are.  If you have a large number of those racks, you're going to need a fast server.
[11:16] <Lord_Set> Yeah
[11:17] <jtv> You might hit tftp bottlenecks, in which case... smaller clusters.
[11:17] <Lord_Set> Well they would all be running 1g ethernet... currently we are already doing testing and using dual 10g on our cluster controller
[11:17] <jtv> *slobber*
[11:18] <jtv> I bet YouTube's pretty good on that.
[11:18] <Lord_Set> We could easily do 2 10g dual port nics in a port channel
[11:18] <Lord_Set> So have 40g possible for the cluster controller... I am sure that could handle it all
[11:19] <jtv> We've seen some slowness (ages ago though) with the tftp server; it may not be a network bottleneck.
[11:19] <Lord_Set> Which tftp server package are you guys using for MAAS? I never really looked into it.
[11:22] <jtv> We got it for free with something else, but I need to remember what that was.
[11:22] <jtv> It's Twisted-based.
[11:22] <jtv> Haven't heard anything about slowness lately, so maybe that was just something that went away.
[11:23] <jtv> tx-tftp..?  Lemme look.
[11:24] <Lord_Set> Hmm
[11:24] <jtv> Yes, python-txtftp.
[11:24] <Lord_Set> I have so ideas that you could could do to internally cluster or load balance TFTP to increase throughput... TFTP is a finicky and picky protocol.
[11:25] <Lord_Set> err have some
[11:28] <Lord_Set> I will shoot them to you privately in a bit
[11:28] <jtv> Let's hope we don't need to get too creative though!
[11:28] <jtv> Especially when it's third-party code.
[11:30] <Lord_Set> True. I could have one of the developers on my team write a new custom built multi-thread and instance tftp server.
[11:30] <Lord_Set> If we start to run into some issues... We will see soon as even outside of the ARM scenerio we will be hitting super high density between physical servers and VM.
[11:31] <jtv> The thought of getting that makes me a little giddy...  But as always: remember Knuth's Law or suffer the consequences.  :-)
[11:31] <Lord_Set> Should be hitting 160-200 MAAS nodes per rack depending on the specific hardware used. This will be deployed within a month max.
[11:33] <jtv> Are you expecting a big jump to the big racks, or a steady ramp?
[11:33] <Lord_Set> To the 160-200 node racks will be a big jump and move.
[11:34] <jtv> And to the 4K-node racks?
[11:34] <Lord_Set> The ARM idea is a development idea and most likely 3-6 months off.
[11:34] <jtv> Ah OK.
[11:35] <Lord_Set> We will have to have some hardware fabricated for it... a power and ethernet backbone for each rack case
[11:35] <jtv> Were you thinking to have an x86 cluster controller with ARM nodes?  Or all ARM?
[11:35] <Lord_Set> x86 most likely just for the power.
[11:35] <jtv> Yeah.
[11:36] <Lord_Set> Also unsure on exactly what will be their best use. Possibly Hadoop or cheap web server nodes.
[11:36] <jtv> Also, Python is quite memory-hungry so with large numbers of objects, address space might become an issue if we're talking 32-bit ARM.
[11:36] <jtv> I don't *think* we're at the level yet where a few thousand nodes might be an issue, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
[11:37] <Lord_Set> Well I would prefer to use 64bit Intel Alterra ARM chips.
[11:39] <Lord_Set> Or something similar
[11:39] <jtv> Haven't looked at those.  Are they available?
[11:39] <Lord_Set> Pretty sure they are
[11:39] <Lord_Set> Pretty awesome 14nm chips
[11:40] <Lord_Set> You can get anything ARM produced super cheap in China lol
[11:40] <jtv> I'm sure you can!
[11:41] <jtv> Or Taiwan, I guess.
[11:41] <jtv> Is the Altera licensed as a design, or only sold as a chip?
[11:42] <Lord_Set> How do you think companies like Minix can sell quad-core arm boxes with 4gb ram and 8gb flash, hdmi, optical audio, gigabit ethernet, 2x usb 2.0, 802.11n, a remote and cables and power for 100 dollars per...
[11:42] <Lord_Set> That includes packaging and shipping
[11:43] <Lord_Set> More or less the same chip that is in the Samsung Galaxy S4
[11:43] <jtv> Yeah that world never ceases to amaze me.
[11:44] <Lord_Set> ARM is for sure the future of high density computing
[17:34] <tych0> hi bigjools, no luck even with syncdb on running the maas dev env
[17:34] <tych0> bigjools: now i'm seeing http://paste.ubuntu.com/7080407/
[17:35] <tych0> bigjools: do you guys have a 'just-run-the-damn-thing' target in the makefile?
[20:41] <bbcmicrocomputer> can you create a zone spanning multiple maas-clusters/subnets?  Or do zones create groups within one cluster/subnet?