[05:26] <paul65> How to see the source code of an calculator application in ubuntu?
[20:41] <Odra> Hey :O
[20:42] <Odra> How do I install an application I created in ubuntu?
[20:47] <ironhalik> Hello
[20:47] <Odra> Hello ironhalik
[20:48] <Odra> ironhalik: Do you know how can I install an app I made?
[20:50] <ironhalik> Sorry - I'm a newbie here, that's why I'm here. :)
[21:10] <bakuman> you packadge it
[21:10] <bakuman> then you can just double-click on the .deb file to install
[21:13] <ironhalik> I'm a total newbie in Ubuntu development but got some expirience in Android development. I'm thinking about creating an app for Ubuntu, but have no idea how to aproach it.
[21:14] <ironhalik> I guess I'll be using pythin with GTK, with the help of Quickly. The problem is that I don't know how certain things work in Ubuntu
[21:15] <ironhalik> Like - I want to stay connected with my phone and react to certain events with user message - do I do it with a deamon?
[21:16] <Odra> bakuman: I haven't packaged it
[21:16] <Odra> I just put it inside a zip file!
[21:17] <bakuman> the it depends on what you mean by "install:
[21:17] <Odra> I want it to appear on the dash home thing so I can click it.
[21:18] <Odra> Also I want to upload it to the software center.
[21:48] <Odra> :(
[22:20] <Odra> Packaging sounds complicated D:
[22:23] <Odra> >___<
[22:23] <Odra> I really can't figure this out.
[22:23] <Odra> Why is there so much text about packaging?
[22:24] <Odra> Someone help me!
[22:24] <Odra> I can't comprehend the comprehensive article about debian packaging D:
[22:29] <Odra> Meh. I give up.
[22:54] <JanC> ironhalik: you should explain what you mean by staying connected with your phone, and what Ubuntu has to do with it  ☺
[22:55] <JanC> and maybe Odra should try #ubuntu-packaging for help
[22:57] <JanC> ironhalik: "how certain things work in Ubuntu" is also a bit vague
[22:58] <JanC> please ask specific versions, and somebody might be able to answer them (or refer you to a place where they can answer them)
[23:00] <JanC> please ask specific questions *
[23:00] <JanC> (bah, was writing this while thinking about something else...)
[23:37] <ironhalik> JanC: I want to implement push notifications from my phone to my Ubuntu 12.04 PC
[23:38] <ironhalik> JanC: but nvm - I'll check out some broader tutorials and guides to get me started, then I'll think about specific stuff :)
[23:41] <JanC> your Ubuntu desktop might behind a NAT, which complicates pushing to it somewhat
[23:42] <ironhalik> Nah - it would be inside same LAN
[23:42] <JanC> OTOH, when using a protocol like XMCP (aka Jabber) it should be easy to implement
[23:42] <ironhalik> Jabber for backend communications?
[23:42] <JanC> inside a (known) LAN, that would be very easy to implement
[23:42] <JanC> even without Jabber
[23:43] <ironhalik> ah, ok - can you give me any pointers? I mean on a very broad level
[23:44] <JanC> XMPP/Jabber would be an easy way to implement it in a way that works outside the LAN too
[23:45] <JanC> ironhalik: inside a LAN, you can usually do whatever you want, so it could be as easy as sending a HTTP request to some web service


[10:01] <itomas> hello, could anyone help with a problem with a thin client not booting due to nbd_server problems?
[10:01] <itomas> thx
[12:27] <alkisg> stgraber: please do the following changes to the ltsp packaging:
[12:27] <alkisg> * debian/ltsp-client-core.install:client/initramfs/hooks/ltsp usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks
[12:27] <alkisg> - debian/ltsp-client-core.install:client/initramfs/scripts/ltsp_nbd usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts
[12:27] <alkisg> - debian/rules:cp $(CURDIR)/client/initscripts/ltsp-setup $(CURDIR)/debian/ltsp-client-core.ltsp-client-setup.init
[12:27] <alkisg> ...we won't be using ltsp_nbd and ltsp-setup anymore :)
[12:27] <alkisg> (and if vagrantc wants he can completely remove ltsp-setup)
[12:28] <alkisg> Ah and: - rules:	dh_installinit --name=ltsp-client-setup --no-start -u"start 32 S ."
[14:13] <stgraber> alkisg: ok, I'll have a look
[14:50] <stgraber> alkisg: so should I remove all of these you listed above?
[14:51] <alkisg> stgraber: yes
[14:51] <alkisg> The line with the star * is a modification
[14:51] <alkisg> hooks/ltsp_nbd renamed to hooks/ltsp
[14:51] <stgraber> alkisg: right, I did that one already I think (in the latest PPA build)
[14:52] <alkisg> So the known problems for now are:
[14:52] <alkisg> 1) broken default SCREEN_07, I'm fixing it now,
[14:53] <alkisg> 2) no nbd-proxy wrapper, will do that next,
[14:53] <alkisg> 3) borked shutdown, we'll need again upstart jobs for reboot/shutdown, but not the old ones, new ones to do nbd-client -d; echo o > sysrq trigger etc
[14:53] <alkisg> So that no nbd-server processes are left on the server
[14:54] <alkisg> As now that nbd-server is not started from inetd, it takes 2 hours for the connections to get killed
[14:54] <stgraber> ok, I can restore the old ones and add nbd-client -d
[14:55] <alkisg> Right, although it would be nice if they could somehow wait a bit until the ssh + epoptes connections are closed, I'll see if I can find a clean way for that
[14:56] <alkisg> Killing epoptes should do it, not sure about ssh
[14:58] <alkisg> pkill -f '^epoptes-client \+m'
[15:02] <stgraber> alkisg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/841781/
[15:02] <stgraber> oops
[15:03] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/841784/
[15:03] <stgraber>  /dev/mapp will be replaced by /dev/nbd btw
[15:04] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/841786/
[15:04] <alkisg> stgraber: hmmm if nbd-proxy is killed, then nbd-client will cause a disk access error, no?
[15:05] <stgraber> probably indeed, I guess I'll need to move it to a separate kill after nbd-client
[15:05] <alkisg> Also, exec reboot won't work unless you cache it first, better use the REISUB magic
[15:05] <alkisg> And I'm using `exec -a` to run epoptes-client, so killall won't work, please use the pkill I wrote above
[15:06] <alkisg> echo o > /proc/sysrq-trigger
[15:06] <alkisg> I've tested that that works even without a root nbd connection active
[15:08] <stgraber> alkisg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/841792/
[15:09] <alkisg> I think killall isn't available in thin chroots, let me see if I have one...
[15:09] <stgraber> alkisg: I guess these two should be moved upstream actually and applied to the overlay at boot time
[15:09] <alkisg> stgraber: ah, yes, right
[15:09] <alkisg> So leave them to me, I'll put them to init-ltsp.d/common
[15:09] <alkisg> or /ubuntu, better
[15:11] <stgraber> alkisg: because of an overlayfs bug, you'll need to call 'initctl reload-configuration || true' after writing the jobs to /etc/init/
[15:11] <stgraber> alkisg: or actually, after doing any change to /etc/init
[15:11] <alkisg> stgraber: err why? It appears to work fine so far
[15:11] <alkisg> We do that in the init=/sbin/init-ltsp phase, right?
[15:12] <stgraber> ah right, doing it before starting init works indeed, sorry ;)
[15:12] <alkisg> :)
[15:12] <stgraber> the bug only appears when init is already started
[15:12] <alkisg> Yeah I would worry if we were to do that
[15:13] <alkisg> So once I commit the default screen fix (really soon), ltsp will be bootable again, so a new package will be nice.
[15:13] <stgraber> ok, just ping me when you need it
[15:13] <alkisg> ty
[16:42] <alkisg> stgraber: I fixed many problems, I think it's time for a new package if you please.
[16:42] <alkisg> Next goal, nbd-proxy-wrapper :)
[16:43] <stgraber> alkisg: ok, uploading one now
[16:43] <alkisg> ty
[16:43] <stgraber> alkisg: next time you push something to trunk, can you do "bzr tag current --delete" before "bzr push"?
[16:44] <stgraber> alkisg: current shouldn't exist in the LP branch, it's just a local tag I use for snapshots ;) but it requires a commit to drop it
[16:45] <alkisg> Sure
[16:45] <alkisg> In about an hour, along with the nbd-proxy wrapper script
[16:48] <stgraber> alkisg: uploaded


[07:51] <sevate> Hi
[07:51] <sevate> to all members of the webchat
[07:52] <sevate> I need help on Ubuntu server setup/commands


[01:30] <kenvandine> robert_ancell_: running a few minutes late
[01:32] <Jagst3r15> hey if i am on a ubuntu 20.04 daily build from a week or so ago how do i update it to the latest so i get gnome 3.36
[01:33] <sarnold> Jagst3r15: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[01:33] <Jagst3r15> thnx
[01:33] <sarnold> Jagst3r15: don't let apt uninstall anything that looks important
[01:35] <sarnold> Jagst3r15: within the normal releases, apt's dependency solver will usually do a pretty good job; but in the development cycle, there's a lot more changes and its solver may make silly suggestions
[01:40] <kenvandine> robert_ancell_: i'm in the hangout
[06:41] <duflu> RAOF, out of curiosity did you see some GL build-time libraries (*.so, no soname) do missing in focal?
[06:41] <duflu> Mine seem to have
[06:42] <duflu>  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lEGL
[06:42] <duflu> -do +go
[06:44] <duflu> Hmm, something has deleted my GL *.so files. The packages are installed but the files are not. FYI tjaalton
[06:45] <duflu> Actually I did do a test install/remove of nvidia-340 this morning...
[06:49] <duflu> Yeah I blame Nvidia. Fixed:
[06:49] <duflu> sudo apt install --reinstall libegl-dev libegl1-mesa-dev libgl-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libgles-dev libgles2-mesa-dev libglvnd-dev libglx-dev
[06:49] <jibel> morning all
[06:51] <duflu> Morning jibel
[06:53] <jibel> Hi duflu
[07:01] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:07] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[08:19] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:19] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:19] <duflu> How goes?
[08:21] <seb128> a bit tired, I didn't sleep great, but good otherwise
[08:21] <seb128> and it's friday!
[08:21] <mpt> Why is the password field on the lock screen way off-center?
[08:21] <seb128> mpt, bug
[08:21] <seb128> it's fixed in yaru git
[08:21] <seb128> just needs an upload
[08:22] <duflu> mpt, bug 1865563
[08:22] <mpt> Huh, I wouldn’t have thought Yaru could do that :-)
[08:22] <mpt> Thanks seb128, duflu
[08:22] <duflu> Yeah I was going to ask how it was possible
[08:26] <mpt> Gnome is weird
[08:29] <mpt> e.g. the lock screen has a “Power Off / Log Out” submenu … but the submenu only ever contains one item … but that item is not Power Off *or* Log Out
[08:32] <duflu> mpt see also https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/2202
[08:32] <gitbot> GNOME issue 2202 in gnome-shell "Add explicit "Reboot" option in dropdown (instead of a button after clicking "Power Off")" [2. Needs Design, Opened]
[08:34] <duflu> I'm still wondering why my laptop's password dialog centred itself in Frankfurt. And all my other machines including new installs are still off centre
[08:35] <mpt> duflu, I don’t have a big problem with Restart being in the Power Off dialog, but that’s not relevant to the lock screen issue, because the lock screen doesn’t have Power Off either
[08:37] <duflu> mpt, I don't care too much either. Although I will note part of the complication is that it goes through 'gnome-session-quit --power-off'
[08:37] <duflu> So not just a gnome-shell issue
[08:38] <mpt> I’m guessing someone thought “oh, we have to use a submenu with the same title as the one when you’re logged in”, and ended up with something totally nonsensical
[08:40] <mpt> Also love how to turn off Bluetooth, you open a submenu titled … “On”. And then to turn on Bluetooth, you … ah hahaha, did you think that submenu would still be there? That would be too obvious
[08:41] <mpt> Ok, enough grousing for one day :-)
[08:42] <seb128> :)
[08:42] <duflu> mpt, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1426
[08:42] <gitbot> GNOME issue 1426 in gnome-shell "Bluetooth item disappears from the integrated menu when turned off" [1. Bug, 5. Bluetooth, Opened]
[08:49] <mpt> To be positive, it’s good that gnome-control-center no longer has some categories hidden in “Devices”
[08:51] <duflu> Yes!
[08:51] <duflu> Also I just noticed the background selector is simpler now
[08:53] <mpt> arg
[08:54] <mpt> I just chose “Add Picture…” and the filepicker opened … maximized? but not unmaximizable … And if I try to move it, it doesn’t, but through the semi-transparent launcher I can see the Settings window moving around behind it
[08:54] <duflu> mpt, hmm I am running upstream gnome-shell 3.36.0 and have no such bug
[08:54] <seb128> that's how modal dialog behave
[08:54] <duflu> A little ahead of focal
[08:55] <mpt> duflu, is the dialog maximized for you?
[08:55] <seb128> well not the 'dialog behind moves with the popup'
[08:55] <duflu> mpt, no but it is very large
[08:55] <seb128> it might depend of the screen resolution
[08:57] <mpt> I can unmaximize it by right-clicking on the title bar, choosing “Resize”, then using the keyboard. Then it becomes resizable with the pointer.
[09:01] <Laney> moin
[09:02] <duflu> Morning Laney
[09:02] <Wimpress> Yawn. Morning desktopers o/
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney, Wimpress, how is the u.k today?
[09:03] <duflu> Morning Wimpress
[09:03] <Wimpress> seb128: There is an unfamiliar golden orb in the sky.
[09:03] <Wimpress> The locals feel uneasy.
[09:03] <Wimpress> duflu: o/
[09:04] <Wimpress> seb128: I reviewed the Studio and Kylin changes for Ubiquity last night.
[09:04] <Wimpress> Feedback submitted.
[09:05] <duflu> Wimpress, also still in the sky here, coincidentally
[09:05] <Wimpress> Studio is good to go. Just artwork changes.
[09:05] <seb128> Wimpress, thanks, Kylin followed up on your review during the night, could you  have another look to see if it's ok now?
[09:06] <Wimpress> Sure thing.
[09:06] <Wimpress> duflu: Careful! You'll get the flat earthers all excited 😁
[09:07] <seb128> duflu, Laney, did you hear from Trevinho and the status of the dock/extensions porting for 3.36?
[09:07] <Laney> no but it was supposed to be 'eod' and I thought that might be after my eod :-)
[09:08] <duflu> seb128, Marco had fixes in progress in Frankfurt so I just assumed it would be done by now
[09:08] <duflu> Even the one I worked on was mostly written by him so I let him own it
[09:08] <seb128> right
[09:08] <seb128> well he said he would be done by eod
[09:08] <seb128> and I asked him to ping you if he's not to see if you could help during your day
[09:08] <seb128> looks like he didn't do that :/
[09:08] <duflu> Mostly because I could not explain all his changes so could not word a commit message
[09:08] <seb128> disappointing :-(
[09:10] <seb128> I guess https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/news/20200312T220419Z.html is one
[09:11] <Laney> looks like it
[09:11] <Laney> ah ok, sounds like https://launchpadlibrarian.net/468839824/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-s390x.gobject-introspection_1.64.0-1_BUILDING.txt.gz was a compiler bug!
[09:12] <seb128> Laney, yeah, see #ubuntu-release backlog
[09:12] <seb128> d_oko broke gcc :p
[09:14] <Laney> indeed
[09:19] <Laney> can haz gjs
[09:19] <duflu> Yes please
[09:19] <Laney> Well you're in luck
[09:20] <seb128> oh, on other news, my launchpad fix landed \o/
[09:20] <seb128> first launchpad commit
[09:20] <Laney> nice
[09:20] <Laney> show me it in action!
[09:20] <seb128> Laney, just try to edit tags on a bug :)
[09:21] <seb128> it's a bit large now which doesn't look great, but at least it's usable
[09:21] <Laney> oh yeah
[09:21] <Laney> nice
[09:21] <duflu> Nice
[09:21] <seb128> hack day ftw :)
[09:23] <Wimpress> Congrats seb128 on LP fixes 👍
[09:23] <seb128> Wimpress, thanks! :)
[09:23] <pieq> for the curious people like me, the change is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380305
[09:24] <pieq> merci seb128 :) usability modifications in LP are always appreciated :)
[09:24] <seb128> pieq, yw! :)
[09:24] <oSoMoN> seb128, nice one!
[09:25] <seb128> salut oSoMoN, comment ça va ?
[09:25] <oSoMoN> ça va, working from home with kids is proving challenging, but all good otherwise
[09:26] <seb128> Spain closed schools?
[09:26] <oSoMoN> yes
[09:27] <seb128> fun times...
[09:27] <Wimpress> Talk of hack day. How do I nudge this along?
[09:27] <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1866709
[09:28] <Wimpress> Have got agreement from FTP masters in Debian to land this upstream too.
[09:29] <Laney> Get it uploaded
[09:29]  * duflu is inspired to use the remaining 30 minutes to sanity check VAAPI in focal
[09:29] <Wimpress> Laney: To Debian?
[09:29] <Laney> Ideally, but your next step is to get someone to sponsor it somewhere :-)
[09:30] <Laney> if it's NEW you might want a separate upload to Ubuntu too
[09:30] <Wimpress> Right. I want it Ubuntu ASAP. It does just need uploading.
[09:30] <Wimpress> Who can do that? 🤔
[09:31]  * Laney looks at comment #2
[09:32]  * Wimpress is seeking a sponsor.
[09:33] <Laney> I'm saying... looks like seb12_8 already did review it
[09:34] <Laney> so hopefully there's your sponsor
[09:34] <seb128> Wimpress, Laney, sorry, I didn't upload because https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze_for_new_packages was not clear to me
[09:34] <seb128> it felt a bit backward to upload before it's approved
[09:35] <Wimpress> So I need to get an ack from the release team?
[09:35] <Laney> nah you can
[09:35] <seb128> Laney, Wimpress, also we (archive-admin) try to not be uploader&reviewer, if I upload you need to find another review to NEW it then (Didier is off today)
[09:35] <seb128> might be easier to find a sponsor that an archive admin to NEW review
[09:35] <Laney> I'll update that page though, we haven't required that for ages
[09:36] <Laney> not that I can log in
[09:41] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess?action=diff&rev2=58&rev1=57
[09:42] <seb128> Laney, thanks, makes sense
[09:42] <seb128> Laney, can you do the upload so I can do the NEWing?
[09:42] <seb128> Wimpress, k, ubuntustudio slideshow changes merged, yours approved, we only you to re-review the kylin one before upload
[09:43] <Laney> well
[09:43] <Laney> if you want me to stop working on marcus's update-manager changes to review this package which you already did review
[09:43] <Laney> then yes I can
[09:43] <seb128> Laney, k, don't bother then
[09:43] <seb128> Wimpress, you need to find either a sponsor or a NEW reviewer, I can't do both
[09:43] <Laney> decide the priorities :-)
[09:43] <seb128> and I already did the NEW review so it makes more sense to find a sponsor
[09:43] <seb128> Wimpress, ^
[09:44] <seb128> I've a feeling I should just don't care and upload and review my own upload :p
[09:44]  * seb128 ponders
[09:45] <Wimpress> I'll review Kylin Slideshow changes within the next hour.
[09:45] <Laney> do ittttt
[09:45] <duflu> Is it unusual for a snap to have version 1.0.0 when the deb is 3.1.3 (for example)?
[09:45] <Laney> except you know the queue will now remember that it was you :-)
[09:46] <seb128> :-)
[09:46] <Wimpress> duflu: Yes.
[09:46] <duflu> Wimpress, just noticed 'rsync'
[09:46] <Wimpress> Has the snap not been updated recently?
[09:46] <seb128> duflu, snap as any other package format can get outdated if nobody is updating them
[09:47] <Wimpress> Hmm, sounds like they versioned the yaml, not the software in the snap?
[09:47] <duflu> Looks like the snap was just never versioned correctly
[09:49] <seb128> Wimpress, nv-codec-headers  sponsored/NEWed
[09:52] <seb128> kenvandine, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/468814360/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_bionic_amd64_gnome-3-34-1804-sdk_BUILDING.txt.gz in case you didn't notice
[09:52] <seb128> ERROR: Program(s) ['wget'] not found or not executable
[09:53] <seb128> kenvandine, also https://launchpadlibrarian.net/468793367/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_bionic_amd64_snap-store-packagekit_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:54] <duflu> seb128, it looks like Marco has been trying to upstream dock changes for a few weeks: https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock/pull/1097
[09:54] <gitbot> micheleg issue (Pull request) 1097 in dash-to-dock "Gnome 3.36 support" [Open]
[09:54] <Wimpress> seb128: Thank you. First beer on me next time we meet 👍
[09:55] <seb128> Wimpress, :-)
[09:57] <seb128> duflu, right, well we can at least update ubuntu-dock
[09:57] <duflu> seb128, it also looks like that's already done for the ubuntu-dock branch
[09:57] <seb128> he also replied to me on telegram now
[09:57] <seb128> he said dock should be ok now
[09:58]  * duflu clicks refresh and still sees no changes in 14 days
[09:59] <duflu> so I wonder what "ok now" means, and where
[09:59] <seb128> I guess it means he has a working codebase locally...
[10:00] <duflu> Still missing a fix for bug 1865865 at least
[10:00] <duflu> But that's the one where I could not explain all his changes so would prefer he documented and committed that fix
[10:01] <duflu> If need be I can revive it from my laptop on Monday but hopefully won't need to by then
[10:02] <seb128> he said he would be done today, hopefully that's true
[10:02] <seb128> I also told him to get on IRC!
[10:02] <duflu> seb128, is it safe to EOW?
[10:02] <seb128> duflu, yes
[10:02] <seb128> duflu, enjoy the W.E!
[10:04] <duflu> Alright. Catch you later
[10:12] <Laney> yeah I guess it would have been better for this review to have happened while Marcus was still around :-)
[10:12]  * Laney has Questions
[10:19] <Wimpress> seb128: Slide Show MR for Kylin is now good.
[10:25] <seb128> Wimpress, thanks!
[10:37] <kenvandine> seb128: yeah, i fixed gnome-3-34-1804-sdk yesterday
[10:39] <kenvandine> snap-store also built yesterday, but only builds for amd64 because it snapcraft is  being pulled from a branch that is amd64
[11:26] <Saviq> jibel: hey, I've trouble with zsys… I had to clear the snapshots b/c I ran out of space… now I don't have any Ubuntu entries in grub…
[11:27] <Saviq> Got any pointers?
[11:44] <Saviq> jibel: OK the problem was /boot/{efi,grub} got created, probably due to me booting in recovery mode - so /boot wasn't getting mounted - I wonder if we can force /boot to mount even if non-empty?
[11:44] <Saviq> or warn/error out?
[11:44]  * Saviq files a couple bugs
[11:46] <Laney> hmmmmmm
[11:47] <Laney> is it ok for update-manager to cause polkit prompts?
[11:47] <Laney> for aptdaemon we have overrides in pk-d-p to let update-manager work but not for snapd ...
[11:48] <Laney> seb128: kenvandine:
[11:50] <jibel> Saviq, is there any error when you run sudo update-grub ?
[11:51] <kenvandine> Laney: hmmm
[11:51] <kenvandine> i don't know
[11:53] <Saviq> jibel: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Fjyy2ZC6MP/ - when /boot wasn't mounted (b/c of the /boot/{efi,grub} folders existing on the root subvol), it printed the same warnings, but then (obviously) couldn't find any Linuxes
[11:54] <Saviq> jibel: hmm actually it looks like I'm getting into that state on every boot
[11:59]  * Saviq cleared all snapshots and tries to reboot
[12:02] <Laney> also how is update-manager triggered to automatically open?
[12:02] <Laney> I want to check that path too
[12:06] <Laney> it's been put after 'update' but before 'install' and I'm not sure that's the right order either
[12:43] <jibel> Saviq, can you file a bug, it'll be easier to gather information and understand what's going on than on irc.
[12:43] <Saviq> jibel: yeah doing that now
[12:44] <jibel> thank you
[12:52] <Saviq> jibel: https://github.com/ubuntu/zsys/issues/60
[12:52] <gitbot> ubuntu issue 60 in zsys "Missing all Ubuntu entries from GRUB (`bpool` not imported due to `/boot` not empty)" [Open]
[12:56] <Laney> seb128: kenvandine: ok, well I reviewed it: https://code.launchpad.net/~marcustomlinson/update-manager/update-manager/+merge/380060
[12:56] <Laney> does need some work imho, not sure if we should wait for Marcus to be back or what
[12:57] <kenvandine> Laney: thanks.  Marcus said he thought you would handle any additional changes that was needed
[12:58] <Laney> well yeah ...
[13:01] <Laney> but this is a bit more significant than I might have expected when making such a rash statement
[13:03] <seb128> kenvandine, ack
[13:04] <Saviq> jibel: and https://github.com/ubuntu/zsys/issues/60
[13:04] <gitbot> ubuntu issue 60 in zsys "Missing all Ubuntu entries from GRUB (`bpool` not imported due to `/boot` not empty)" [Open]
[13:05] <Saviq> https://github.com/ubuntu/zsys/issues/61 rather
[13:05] <gitbot> ubuntu issue 61 in zsys "Ran out of space (couldn't even boot)" [Open]
[13:05] <seb128> Laney, it's probably best if the polkit behaviour of asking/not asking if consistent with what we have, so yeah havinbg overrides seems to make sense
[13:06] <Laney> but then I guess it means anyone can snap install / remove / ... anything
[13:07] <Laney> which is not the case with apt, the override is for aptdaemon only
[13:07] <Laney> well, any admin at the console ...
[13:07] <Laney> could be ok...
[13:09] <seb128> hum
[13:09] <seb128> at the same time it's not a codepath users are going to hit every day, it would just ask for the password when some changes are neded right?
[13:10] <Laney> right
[13:10] <seb128> so it's probably fine to ask that one time...
[13:10] <Laney> but it's kind of random
[13:10] <Laney> I dunno, perhaps it's ok if it happens at the end of an update run
[13:12] <seb128> Wimpress, ^ do you have an opinion on that?
[13:12] <seb128> Laney, I think it's good enough personally, not great but we have to do with the resources we have and it's only a small annoyance/weidness
[13:13] <Laney> that's kind of a side fix anyway
[13:13] <Laney> either way it needs some work as I outlined in the mr
[13:14] <seb128> right
[13:14] <Laney> question is whether to wait for Marcus and do that in a week or do it now and someone else slides their work a day or two
[13:17] <seb128> I would say to wait for next week at this point and see once we are over GNOME 3.36 landing and some other ongoing work
[13:17] <seb128> we can discuss it on monday in the catchup call
[13:18] <kenvandine> sorry, in a meeting
[13:18] <kenvandine> lets talk about it monday
[13:19] <Laney> ok
[13:20] <Laney> also bear in mind that this was kind of meant to support people on the dev release :p
[13:20] <Laney> guess it does have ongoing value tho
[13:20] <Laney> e.g. switches made via sru
[14:04]  * Wimpress reads the backlog...
[14:30] <seb128> kenvandine, did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/snap-store/+git/snap-store/+merge/380672 ?
[14:30] <seb128> Wimpress, slideshow package uploaded
[14:30] <kenvandine> seb128: not yet
[14:31] <kenvandine> snap-store is a mirror from gitlab
[14:31] <seb128> oh, it's not obvious from launchpad :p
[14:31] <kenvandine> i know
[14:31] <kenvandine> sorry
[14:31] <kenvandine> https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-software
[14:41] <seb128> kenvandine, edit the description on https://launchpad.net/snap-store to mention that maybe?
[14:41] <kenvandine> seb128: good idea
[14:41] <seb128> oSoMoN, kenvandine, you guys don't feel like doing one or two GNOME updates/merges today?
[14:41]  * seb128 feels alone
[14:41] <seb128> I spent my week on it, it's a bit depressing at this point, would be nice to be done for eow
[14:42] <oSoMoN> seb128, absolutely, sorry I didn't get to it earlier… I could use some context switching for the afternoon, for a change :)
[14:42] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks!
[14:42] <oSoMoN> seb128, what are the most pressing updates?
[14:42] <seb128> oSoMoN, https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336
[14:43] <seb128> but basically seahorse/tracker/librsvg
[14:43] <seb128> which you already handled recently so should be easy enough
[14:43] <seb128> otherwise vte/g-t merges
[14:43] <oSoMoN> ok, I'll take those three
[14:43] <oSoMoN> (seahorse/tracker/librsvg)
[14:43] <seb128> oSoMoN, great, thanks a lot!
[14:59] <kenvandine> seb128: let me give it a swing :)
[15:00] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks!
[15:00] <kenvandine> seb128: did you see i uploaded the recommends change in packagekit?
[15:00] <kenvandine> i need to do the ubuntu-meta upload
[15:00] <kenvandine> which i'm going to do next
[15:01] <seb128> right
[15:02] <kenvandine> I should add the provides to both ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop-minimal right?
[15:05] <kenvandine> seb128: ^^
[15:06] <seb128> kenvandine, did we have gnome-software in minimal?
[15:06] <kenvandine> i think so
[15:06] <seb128> so yes
[15:25] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:25] <oSoMoN> mornin' hellsworth
[15:26] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN !
[15:35] <Laney> kenvandine: why both?
[15:36] <Laney> hope these deltas are going to be forwarded ;-)
[15:38] <kenvandine> yeah, seb128 and i talked about adding the recommends change in packagekit to debian
[15:41] <Laney> right, and gst-good will need updating in the same way
[15:42] <Laney> in terms of ubuntu-meta I think just having it from -minimal would be enough since ubuntu-desktop has a Depends there
[15:57] <Laney> Marcus basically pushed back on all of my review comments
[15:57] <Laney> Perhaps someone else would like to take it over from here?
[15:58] <seb128> kenvandine, ^
[16:00] <kenvandine> he shouldn't be responding to anything right now :)
[16:01] <Laney> was a bit surprised to see that!
[16:02] <kenvandine> if i understand correctly
[16:02] <kenvandine> he's doing the transition before the user actually clicks on anything?
[16:02] <Laney> update -> transition -> (deb) upgrade
[16:02] <Laney> indeed there is no UI in there
[16:02] <kenvandine> where update is updating the apt cache?
[16:03] <Laney> yes
[16:03] <kenvandine> ok
[16:03] <kenvandine> that feels wrong
[16:03] <kenvandine> the user should click the button before we actually alter what's installed
[16:03] <kenvandine> i understand why he did that... but it feels wrong
[16:04] <seb128> I comment on the MP about that
[16:04] <seb128> I agree it feels wrong, imho those who decide to close the tool and do command line can also decide what they want between snap and deb and do the install/remove themselve
[16:06] <kenvandine> oh
[16:06] <kenvandine> i commented as well :)
[16:08] <Laney> at least everyone's in agreement :p
[16:09] <Laney> but I don't really want to have to argue about the other details
[16:09] <Laney> if someone wants to be more loose than me it would be great for them to take over the review :/
[16:12] <kenvandine> I really don't know enough about it to review
[16:14] <Laney> like why it's better to catch the exceptions you need rather than everything, or why you might prefer to avoid threading in favour of using libraries ...
[16:14] <Laney> meh
[16:16] <seb128> we should get foundations to review the merge, they own update-manager
[16:21] <Laney> that's fine, but I would also be happy for us to own reviewing / uploading features we are driving
[16:21] <Laney> I'm just less fine with being a reviewer if it's a high friction process
[16:21] <Laney> but it might just be me so I am happy to step aside ...
[16:22] <seb128> Laney, right, I understand that and it's fair enough if you want to step aside and avoid arguments
[16:22] <seb128> it's friday afternoon, let's all rest and see on monday what we do next
[16:35] <Laney> ok
[16:35] <Laney> goooooooooood attitude
[16:44] <seb128> Laney, when pristine-tar diverged between us and Debian what's the right way to fix it? merge the debian one in launchpad and then in salsa merge back that one?
[16:44] <seb128> so we can pull again next time
[16:44] <Laney> checkout the debian side, git merge -s ours lp/pristine-tar; git push salsa pristine-tar; git push lp pristine-tar
[16:44] <seb128> thanks
[16:50]  * Laney should have been sassy and said finish the salsa migration :>
[16:51] <Laney> #returnofthefridaytroll
[16:56] <seb128> :-)
[17:01] <seb128> kenvandine, let me know if https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evince/-/merge_requests/229 makes sense
[17:03] <Laney> eek
[17:08] <seb128> oSoMoN, can you push upstream/latest and pristine-tar?
[17:08] <seb128> for librsvg and seahorse
[17:08] <oSoMoN> seb128, doing
[17:11] <oSoMoN> seb128, done
[17:12] <oSoMoN> (for tracker and tracker-miners too)
[17:13] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks
[17:13] <seb128> (I didn't look at those yet/might not get to them today)
[17:23] <oSoMoN> seb128, what would be the next priority, in case I feel like doing updates later in the evening? anything from the TODO column?
[17:24] <seb128> oSoMoN, no real priority, gsettings-desktop-schemas and orca merges should be easy enough and you have upload rights
[17:24] <oSoMoN> ack
[17:24] <seb128> otherwise anything you feel like doing
[17:24] <seb128> but you should call it a week, it's friday evening!
[17:25] <oSoMoN> yeah, I probably will, but the morning was frustratingly unproductive, so I feel like getting stuff done :)
[17:27] <seb128> :-)
[17:27] <seb128> on that note time for me to do some evening/pre-diner activities
[17:27] <seb128> have a nice w.e desktopers!
[17:27] <Laney> bye!
[17:30] <oSoMoN> have a good one!
[18:28] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone!
[19:01] <kenvandine> @hellsworth gnome-3-34-1804{,-sdk} has been published to stable
[19:01] <kenvandine> @hellsworth from here on out let's not push any local builds to the store
[19:01] <kenvandine> only the LP builds
[19:31] <hellsworth> sounds good to me!
[19:31] <hellsworth> and only official LP builds i assume?
[19:31] <hellsworth> (which i do not have perms to trigger)
[19:31] <hellsworth> kenvandine: ^
[19:32] <kenvandine> hellsworth: yup
[19:32] <kenvandine> sorry :)
[19:32] <kenvandine> it will automatically build though
[19:33] <kenvandine> after the mirror updates
[19:33] <hellsworth> ok
[19:56] <k_alam> ricotz: Hi, With newer vala hud is failing to compile with dee...error: construct properties not supported for specified property type... Can you take a look ?
[19:56] <k_alam> ricotz: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/468894644/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-amd64.hud_14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:01] <ricotz> k_alam, hi, try to add --pkg dee-1.0 to the vapigen call
[20:03] <ricotz> k_alam, like https://paste.debian.net/plain/1134842
[20:05] <ricotz> k_alam, the built binding should be named "hud-${API_VERSION}.vapi"
[20:05] <ricotz> it is suppose to match the pkg-config filename
[20:07] <k_alam> It seems Ubuntu's dee source has it's own dee-1.0.vapi....but I will try this fix...
[20:08] <k_alam> ricotz: Thanks
[20:09] <ricotz> k_alam, yes, and this already existing dee-1.0.vapi should be used


[00:01] <freetester> in the case that i want to install all the depends written here --https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=latte-dock
[00:01] <freetester> ?
[00:03] <tomreyn> apt does this for you
[00:31] <MsSmith> hello
[00:31] <MsSmith> how come bash myscript.sh >> text_file leaves empty file?
[00:31] <MsSmith> I see INFO messages being printing to screen when i execute myscript.sh
[00:34] <tomreyn> maybe those INFO messages are not on stdout but on stderr?
[00:34] <MsSmith> yes I tried 2&1 >>
[00:34] <MsSmith> didn't work :(
[00:34] <tomreyn> wrong order + syntax
[00:35] <tomreyn> bash myscript.sh >> text_file 2>&1
[00:36] <MsSmith> oh yea that worked
[00:36] <MsSmith> damn
[00:36] <MsSmith> ok so. whats the difference besides ordering why do I have to have 2>&1 at end?
[00:45] <sbraz> MsSmith: it's explained here https://www.gnu.org/savannah-checkouts/gnu/bash/manual/bash.html#Redirections "Note that the order of redirections is significant" etc.
[00:48] <sbraz> if you're doing bash and not another shell you can do "&>>" https://www.gnu.org/savannah-checkouts/gnu/bash/manual/bash.html#Appending-Standard-Output-and-Standard-Error
[00:49] <MsSmith> ok thanks
[00:50] <MsSmith> i guess im just confused why 2&1 the redirection part comes at the end of the statement
[00:50] <MsSmith> wouldnt that mean its executed last?
[00:50] <MsSmith> after the command >> file.txt is written to the file?
[00:52] <MsSmith> I assume code is executed left to right
[00:54] <MsSmith> bash command 2>>&1 result.txt  would make more sense to me than bash command >> result.txt 2>>&1
[01:00] <sbraz> MsSmith: did you read the first link?
[01:01] <sbraz> maybe this explanation is easier to understand than the manual's https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/37662
[01:02] <MsSmith> " The following redirection operators may precede or appear anywhere within a simple command or may follow a command"
[01:02] <MsSmith> oh yea got it now thanks
[01:02] <MsSmith> seems bizzare syntax tho hm
[03:22] <betty> hi all how would i check if my vpn.service is working; or has dropped out. its a .service running at boot time and i have checked "sudo systemctrl status<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which shows active (running) is there a way to view the transfer of data with a fitting bash command/script
[03:23] <betty> in real time
[03:23] <leftyfb> betty: journalctl -fu vpn.service
[03:24] <betty> ty
[03:25] <mjt> betty: hello again
[03:26] <betty> geeze that was surprisingly simple thank you =)
[03:30] <betty> when im using systemctrl and journalctrl on my one user pc as $user should i be using "sudo" as a prefix
[03:31] <betty> or will systemctrl and journalctrl run fine as $
[03:31] <leftyfb> depends on the version of ubuntu and/or security settings
[03:32] <leftyfb> if it doesn't give you a "Hint:" then you are probably fine running them as the user
[03:32] <leftyfb> obviously this is only for journalctl and "systemctl status"
[03:33] <betty> thanks man am running 21.10 Desktop
[03:39] <betty_> .
[05:13] <guest-E5JjDg> hello
[05:14] <ksy> hi
[05:14] <guest-E5JjDg> now
[05:43] <Macer> is there an issue with ubuntu repos?
[05:43] <Macer>  The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu groovy-security Release' does not have a Release file.
[05:43] <Macer> this is new
[05:44] <toddc> Macer: may be down for maint
[05:45] <Macer> oh ok.
[05:45] <toddc> you can check other locations
[05:45] <Macer> i'm trying now. even apt-select won't work
[05:45] <oerheks> !groovy
[05:46] <Macer> oerheks: oh
[05:46] <oerheks> it is deleted, if you want some packages or upgrade to a supported veersion, use the eol trick?
[05:46] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[05:47] <Macer> can i just upgrade the distro in a proxmox lxc container?
[05:47] <Macer> not too sure if that might be something difficult to do
[05:47] <oerheks> maybe you could, but i would build a fresh one
[05:48] <Macer> it's backed up.. i'll give it a go
[05:49] <toddc> Macer: I had to rebuild a new one but I amd sure it could be done but rebild was easier/cleaner for me
[05:52] <Macer> i'd like to avoid that
[05:52] <Macer> i'm testing it out on another container now to see what happens
[05:54] <Macer> i'm sort of scratching my head wonering why on earth i wouldn't have selected an LTS
[05:58] <Macer> ok. that worked fine. so i guess the solution is to just upgrade everything
[06:41] <betty> how do i interact with the bots on this network commands general useage etc
[06:47] <betty> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IRC/Bots#ubottu dead link
[06:49] <JackFrost> betty: https://ubottu.com/ubottu.html
[06:49] <JackFrost> Note, that's really not up to date either.
[06:52] <betty> cheers
[06:53] <JackFrost> Sure.  Updated several of the other links, but seems that one was missed.
[07:07] <melvinga> hi :)  I'm new here
[07:08] <melvinga> https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2021-44224 This CVE brought me here. Whom to get in touch with so that I can contribute to providing apache server updates to apt?
[07:11] <melvinga> that's right ubottu and thanks for pasting the summary of it.
[07:11] <melvinga> I find a larger issue there. Ubuntu 18.04 has latest apache available through apt, and that's apache 2.4.29 (released Oct 2017).
[07:11] <melvinga> Thought I'd contribute with providing newer versions of apache through apt in a timely manner. Would you know whom I should get in touch with to understand how I can contribute?
[07:37] <pikapika> Why does build-deps often list such a large no of packages even if you have the binary already there? Are all those really the transitive dependencies of build systems used by that app?
[08:46] <betty><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is that a default service (i think i made it by accident) i have another active ovpn.service active and running
[08:46] <betty> Ubuntu 21.10
[08:46] <betty> sorry wrong paste
[08:46] <betty><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:47] <betty> is that a default service
[08:47] <betty> i would like to stop it because i think i made duplicate
[09:33] <nuxer> hi there. just a quick question related to rsync & data duplication: is there any easy method to back up data from an existing large NAS volume to smaller portions so that the file mirror process would automatically skip to the next destination volume after reaching i.e. x terabytes of written data
[09:34] <nuxer> I can do all of it manually in chunks too, but I was wondering if there'd be some type of ready-to-use solution for that
[11:33] <webchat16> Hi
[11:33] <webchat16> I have an issue looking for some advice
[11:38] <webchat16> I have a device with 2 drives. sda and Sdb. Sdb has my os Ubuntu 20 that was installed using the encrypted LUKS option with a /boot on sdb2, sdb2 is the encrypted volume. I just installed a fresh Ubuntu 20 on sda which replaced my grub boot loader with the new one that doesn’t detect my LUKS volume. I am on the new SDA Ubuntu. How can I switch
[11:38] <webchat16> back to my old grub? I can see the efi, grub and imgs on sdb2 so how can I select those? Thanks
[11:50] <nuxer> could someone maybe help me with CIFS/SMB mounting on Ubuntu? I was able to just mount my network drive from the file explorer (using latest Ubuntu 21.10 Desktop), but it doesn't create any mount point! 'mount.cifs' seems to fail in authentication and am scratching my head atm
[11:51] <nuxer> if someone knows does Ubuntu create a mountpoint somewhere that is accessible via terminal when you mount a SMB/CIFS network drive in file explorer, I'd be happy to know
[11:51] <nuxer> (if it doesn't, then that's just odd)
[11:52] <nuxer> mount.cifs seems to be either outdated or something else is going haywire when I try to authenticate through it
[11:59] <nuxer> what I get is a <networkdrivename>.local mount point in the xwindow file browser, but is that location accessible any other way than with the file explorer?
[12:00] <nuxer> where does Ubuntu store the credentials by default, since I've tried this and that and the other to access via cifs-mount and mount, smb:// is not supported as an address yet, according to the errormsg, and with a direct IP something goes wrong too
[12:12] <nikolam> My RAM (16GB and swap) got filled by Firefox and whole system freezed. I were thinking that is the thing of the past. Nope. still on 21.10
[12:13] <nikolam> Linux should be also a desktop platform.. but freezing all the system (graphics and keyboard.. ) because some process used too much RAM..
[12:21] <ksy> which de do you use?
[12:21] <ksy> kde?
[12:21] <ramblebamble> I might be more interested in  how the FF is installed ubuntu changed something in newer versions
[12:22] <ramblebamble> but in general I doubt FF is at fault, typical flaming IMHO, I have over 50 tabs open and do serious work on my machines and no proble thus far
[12:25] <ksy> i never open more than 20 tabs at once😂
[12:26] <webchat98> hi can someone help me , i posted a question about 30 minutes ago about LUKS and grub
[12:26] <ramblebamble> yeah, things I wanna look at etc. I sometimes get carried away
[12:26] <webchat98> but my screen refresshed
[12:26] <webchat98> diud anybody answer my question i didntt see
[12:27] <ramblebamble> webchat98 what was the question? been here for ~30min nothing came in
[12:27] <KBar> webchat98: Happy New Year. Please keep in mind that most of us are AFK or are busy preparing/celebrating.
[12:28] <webchat98> i have a device with 2 drives sda and sdb. sdb has ubuntu 20 installed with LUKS encrytped option, today i installed fresh ubuntu 20 os on sda which was previously empty. the new installation grub took over and isnt detecting my old luks ubuntu volume
[12:28] <webchat98> i just followed tutorial didnt work
[12:28] <webchat98> i mounted, chroot, and re install grub on encrypted device
[12:28] <webchat98> rebooted
[12:29] <webchat98> and now it takes to grub rescure
[12:29] <webchat98> what can  i do to get my grub back to normal
[12:29] <KBar> webchat98: Ubuntu 20.04 or 20.10?
[12:29] <webchat98> all my important documents are here
[12:29] <webchat98> 20.04
[12:30] <webchat98> i have a sdb2 which is /boot with efi and images etc
[12:30] <ramblebamble> webchat98 usually you will have to configure grub to load luks when booting,the good news is that your data is not lost, just not accessible, you can mount the system in a live-cd or your other system and reinstall grub
[12:30] <webchat98> and sdb3 which is my encyrpted data
[12:30] <KBar> Well, not a great way to end 2021, that's for sure.
[12:31] <webchat98> ramblebamble i am looking at my data it is mounted and available anmd so is sdb2 /boot
[12:31] <webchat98> i have mounted sdb3 and sdb2
[12:31] <webchat98> i need grub installed on sdb2 and to detect luks
[12:32] <webchat98> i have spent hours and 100 google searches
[12:35] <ramblebamble> I never had this type of problem with Ubuntu(always ran a different setup for my workmachines) webchat98
[12:36] <ramblebamble> but you will find what you are looking for here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt specifically this part https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/System_configuration#Boot_loader
[12:36] <ksy> maybe you'd better mount your system on a live-cd and copy the important data to a safe place first
[12:36] <ramblebamble> It is arch, but the underlying system is still Linux
[12:36] <ramblebamble> or you can do as ksy suggests
[12:37] <ksy> data first
[12:37] <webchat98> i already backed up data
[12:37] <webchat98> before install
[12:37] <webchat98> thank you
[12:39] <webchat98> thanks ramblebamble im looking now
[12:40] <webchat98> it is not clear what are the steps to take, there are multiple options in bold do you see
[12:40] <webchat98> Kernel parameters , Using encrypt hook , etc
[12:41] <ramblebamble> yes, my best guess would be to start with building the appropriate initramfs
[12:41] <ramblebamble> and then continue with the bootloader configuration
[12:41] <webchat98> what about /dev/sdb2
[12:41] <webchat98> oh for fucks sake
[12:41] <webchat98> it is over written
[12:42] <webchat98> i had a dev/sdb2 with an efi and boot folder and all the image vmlinux stuff
[12:42] <webchat98> now its gone
[12:42] <webchat98> maybe that is the problem
[12:42] <webchat98> it was ext4 and grub would pick it up google said it had to be fat
[12:42] <webchat98> so i changed it to fat but it formatted
[12:43] <webchat98> how do i get all of this
[12:43] <webchat98> to grub
[12:47] <ramblebamble> webchat98 you have a PM
[12:56] <jjakob> that sounds like a nightmare. but I've had and solved problems like that in the past.
[12:57] <jjakob> not on 20.04 with uefi though, that needs some efi system partition and fat fs (if you boot in uefi mode)
[12:58] <jjakob> but generally every os should have grub with os-prober, which should detect the os on the other drive and make a boot option for it, but the other drive's luks must be opened and mounted, so that it can detect it
[13:00] <jjakob> which is why I don't do separate drives or luks volumes any more, but use just one drive with one luks volume spanning the whole drive and then put lvm on it and all the os's and partitions into lvm
[13:00] <jjakob> no matter into which os you boot it should have unlocked the luks+lvm that holds all the other os's
[13:01] <jjakob> but generally I just stay away from multi booting in general and stick to one host os and use VMs, or just switch out the hard drive physically
[13:26] <webchat98> jjakob hi thanks
[13:26] <webchat98> have you heard of this
[13:27] <webchat98> grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `/dev/sdb1'.
[13:27] <webchat98> i have a luks volume it is root filesyst em ubuntu 20.04 how do i get a grub menu to boot it?
[13:28] <webchat98> i can decrypt and chroot to it
[13:28] <webchat98> i dont have /boot or /efi
[13:28] <webchat98> how do i make this
[13:41] <jjakob> hmm, he left
[13:44] <webchat24> hi i have some good news
[13:44] <webchat24> i can egnerate GRUB now bbut it is not picking up my OS when i do update-grub
[13:44] <webchat24> how do i get update-grub to pick up my LUKS ubuntu
[13:45] <webchat24> it p[icks up regular ubuntu on sda1
[13:45] <webchat24> but not LUKS uybuntu on sdb
[13:47] <jjakob> webchat24: did you bind mount /dev into the chroot?
[13:48] <jjakob> you need to luks open both the drives, then mount /boot manually
[13:48] <webchat24> yes
[13:48] <jjakob> you can regenerate /boot if you deleted it manually
[13:48] <webchat24> yes i dleleted it
[13:48] <webchat24> only one is LUKS
[13:48] <jjakob> what does your /etc/fstab say?
[13:49] <jjakob> and your /etc/crypttab?
[13:50] <webchat24> ive sent you
[14:45] <webchat24> hi
[14:45] <webchat24> how can i solve this error
[14:46] <webchat24> sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[14:46] <webchat24> After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
[14:46] <webchat24> Get:1 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates/main amd64 linux-generic-hwe-20.04 amd64 <IP_ADDRESS>.47~20.04.21 [1,932 B]
[14:46] <webchat24> Fetched 1,932 B in 0s (10.5 kB/s)
[14:46] <webchat24> E: Can not write log (Is /dev/pts mounted?) - posix_openpt (19: No such device)
[14:47] <webchat24> i am in a chroot
[14:47] <webchat24> how to solve?
[14:48] <webchat24>  /dev/pts is EMPTY on chroot
[14:58] <webchat24> how can i munt /dev/pts to chroot
[14:59] <webchat24> it is mounted
[14:59] <webchat24> why is this error
[15:01] <Jeremy31> You have to mount before the chroot
[15:02] <Jeremy31> probably have to type exit to leave
[15:11] <webchat24> Jeremy31hi
[15:11] <webchat24> it is mounted
[15:11] <webchat24> i still ge error
[15:12] <webchat24> how can i install linux generic hwe to /boot in chroot
[15:12] <leftyfb> webchat24: why in a chroot?
[15:12] <webchat24> i am trying to recover my luks ubuntu partition
[15:13] <webchat24> i have to generte grub but before i can run update grub i must install linux to /boot within the chroot
[15:13] <webchat24> right
[15:13] <webchat24> but apt install --reinstall cause error /dev/pts is not mounted but it is
[15:13] <leftyfb> webchat24: what happened where you need to "recover" it?
[15:14] <webchat24> i installed ubuntu regular on a different device and grub took over it
[15:14] <webchat24> and wont pick up luks volume
[15:14] <webchat24> so i must update grub to detect luks
[15:14] <webchat24> but i accidently deleted the /boot for the luks
[15:14] <webchat24> so i must fix /boot then update grub
[15:14] <webchat24> then i can boot it
[15:28] <nuxer> ok, so now my impish doesn't respond to any USB human input devices on boot to GUI
[15:29] <nuxer> from what I googled up it's a mismatch in the xserver-org-input-all or smth; I have a Nvidia GPU and was just updating my packages
[15:30] <nuxer> however none of the proposed solutions to boot into terminal, grub, safe mode, anything, none of them work
[15:30] <nuxer> the keyboard does come on during boot (as uefi/bios runs the check the light blinks)
[15:31] <leftyfb> nuxer: does your keyboard work in the BIOS?
[15:31] <nuxer> leftyfb: yes
[15:32] <nuxer> it seems to be a common problem judging from the forums
[15:32] <nuxer> couldn't have happened at a worse time
[15:32] <nuxer> I have no sshd running so I'm completely screwed as for i.e. reinstalling apt packages to fix it via remote access
[15:33] <leftyfb> nuxer: when this happens, can you hit CTRL+ALT+F1 or F2 to get a tty console open?
[15:33] <nuxer> leftyfb: that's my go-to usually, doesn't work.
[15:33] <nuxer> it's a fresh-ish impish install on a brand new computer that I've been working on for a couple of days now
[15:33] <leftyfb> nuxer: I'm pretty sure that's a kernel issue then, nothing to do with xorg or nvidia
[15:34] <nuxer> I was deploying gsmlinux stuff on it and that might've caused things to go boom
[15:35] <nuxer> leftyfb: hm, well, people have been having that issue for pretty long and the most common thing is that there's some looping going on with the xorg server and what was it again.. let me check
[15:35] <leftyfb> nuxer: was it working before you were messing with gsmlinux?
[15:35] <nuxer> leftyfb: xserver-xorg-input-all seems to be the apt package
[15:35] <nuxer> oh yes
[15:36] <nuxer> it's not exactly the first time I'm installing a Linux. I remember getting that same kind of stuck thing on some previous distro build on another computer, I solved it somehow
[15:36] <leftyfb> nuxer: I would suggest reinstall ubuntu from scratch and not messing with gsmlinux. Or contact them for support the next time their software causes major issues like this
[15:37] <nuxer> leftyfb: it may or may not have been their stuff tho, but that was one of the things I was doing
[15:38] <nuxer> people have been saying that grub has some kind of an issue with especially the xserver-xorg-input-all package and I've been trying to chroot from a livecd to be able to install it (it indeed had not been installed)
[15:39] <leftyfb> nuxer: ok, lets eliminate it then. Reinstall and do all the regular updates and see if it happens again. You aid you have tried multiple solutions you found, there's no telling the state the system is in now even if you did get usb working again. Start fresh with a known good state
[15:39] <nuxer> apt gives me weird "temporarily unavailable" errors on chroot from livecd although it otherwise finds the apt repos and d/l's etc.
[15:39] <nuxer> yeah I guess I'll have to do that
[15:41] <nuxer> it just blows when I've already sank a few days as usual into this ... there's always something. the distro shipped out broken as it was, I first tried installing the latest LTS, then I just caved in and went for impish
[15:41] <nuxer> (also because the latest LTS doesn't have the latest Python [3.9] required for conda; deadsnakes PPA doesn't help with that )
[15:41] <leftyfb> nuxer: reinstall. If you run into an issue on your fresh install, we are here to try to help
[15:42] <nuxer> leftyfb: thanks a lot ... I know today's probably not the best day to be asking for help
[15:42] <nuxer> I do have a working 20.10 impish desktop but it's a way different setup. I might as well just nuke and pave
[15:43] <leftyfb> nuxer: good luck
[15:43] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:44] <nuxer> leftyfb: I kinda need the LinuxGSM though to deploy some of my dedicated local server stuff for testing purposes and not enter the madhouse over it... idk, maybe it'd be a good thing if it was possible to check out what apt-packages were installed before it all went to hell.
[15:45] <nuxer> I do explicitly remember having the same kind of issue with another desktop on either a clean install or after updating
[15:45] <leftyfb> nuxer: again, reinstall. Get to a known good state. If everything is fine. Great. Then proceed with gsmlinux and hit them up for support if things go wrong
[15:46] <nuxer> what I do not understand is why doesn't any of the grub menu options work
[15:46] <nuxer> a.k.a. holding the shift key, whatever
[15:46] <nuxer> holding shift or holding e...
[15:46] <leftyfb> nuxer: please get to a known good state. Good luck
[15:48] <webchat36> hi i cant access my os
[15:48] <webchat36> its LUKS ubuntu
[15:48] <webchat36> how do i get my grub to pick it up
[15:52] <EriC^^> webchat36: is the /boot inside the luks?
[15:52] <webchat36> no
[15:52] <webchat36> i deleted it by accident
[15:52] <webchat36> all i have is root filesystem
[15:53] <EriC^^> use a live usb to chroot into it, then make /boot again and install kernels/grub
[15:53] <EriC^^> and you'll need to use the uuid in fstab for /boot, mkfs.ext4 -U <uuid-here> /dev/sdxY
[15:59] <JustCurious> Hi, I have an external hard drive that cannot be mounted nor iniciated, it does not appear on disks and gparted keep running stucked when connected. It's /dev/sdc, it has no sdc1 partition, don't know what to do, it's a Western Digital My Passport HD
[15:59] <JustCurious> I've tried to connect it on Windows 7 and it's not recoverable
[16:00] <leftyfb> JustCurious: buy a new one
[16:00] <JustCurious> NTFS formatted by the way
[16:00] <JustCurious> yes leftyfb this is the easiest solution
[16:00] <JustCurious> it's 100 €
[16:00] <webchat36> EriC^^ ok i am ready to create new /dev/sdxY wiith UUID. how to ge t uuid
[16:00] <leftyfb> JustCurious: if the data is worth it, you'll have to find and pay a company that specializes in data recovery
[16:01] <EriC^^> webchat36: grep boot /etc/fstab
[16:02] <JustCurious> it's just for backup my data, I'd like to safe the HD
[16:02] <EriC^^> JustCurious: type 'sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdc | nc termbin.com 9999'
[16:03] <EriC^^> to see the hdd health
[16:03] <webchat36> eric
[16:03] <webchat36> mkfs.ect4 says
[16:03] <webchat36> Discarding device blocks: done
[16:03] <webchat36>  /dev/sdb2: could not parse UUID: 01AB-3119
[16:03] <leftyfb> JustCurious: it's defective. Buy a new one. This is also not an ubuntu issue
[16:03] <EriC^^> webchat36: that's not for boot
[16:04] <webchat36> your right
[16:04] <EriC^^> webchat36: type 'cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999'
[16:05] <JustCurious> thanks EriC^^
[16:05] <EriC^^> JustCurious: no problem, paste the link here when you have it
[16:05] <webchat36> thats someone else
[16:06] <webchat36> https://paste.debian.net/1225384/
[16:06] <JustCurious> installing GSmartControl
[16:06] <webchat36> EriC^^ see it
[16:06] <leftyfb> JustCurious: EriC^^ did not suggest installing GSmartControl
[16:07] <JustCurious> it's its GUI
[16:08] <JustCurious> it stucks while running smartclr
[16:08] <JustCurious> it's like the sdc interrupts the process
[16:08] <leftyfb> JustCurious: yes, we are aware. It does not help with troubleshooting. EriC^^ asked you to install smartmontools for a very specific reason
[16:09] <leftyfb> JustCurious: run this is a new terminal and let it run while you are messing with the drive:   dmesg -Tw
[16:09] <webchat36> EriC^^ can you help me mkfs boot and install linux/kernel
[16:09] <leftyfb> JustCurious: if you see tons of error messages about your drive, it is a hardware issue and you are unlikely to get any useful data from the drive
[16:10] <leftyfb> JustCurious: also, as stated, even if you do succeed in recovering anything from the drive, the drive is toast and there is no using it going forward
[16:10] <JustCurious> it's all : "Buffer I/O error on dev sdc, logical block 976746224, async page read"
[16:10] <JustCurious> don't think so
[16:10] <leftyfb> you don't think the drive is toast?
[16:11] <EriC^^> webchat36: yeah
[16:11] <webchat36> thanks
[16:11] <JustCurious> please leftyfb let people here help me
[16:12] <EriC^^> webchat36: so til now you booted the live usb, and you decrypted and mounted root, mount binded /dev /sys ... and ran chroot right?
[16:12] <webchat36> mounted unencrypted ubuntu installation 20.04 bran new on /dev/sda, trying tyo recover dev/sdb
[16:12] <webchat36> yes i have mounted those
[16:12] <EriC^^> JustCurious: leftyfb is kind of right, the drive seems likely is toast but still it's worth a shot to see what can be done and what to retrieve
[16:13] <webchat36> and not chroot yet
[16:13] <webchat36> becuase i must first mount
[16:13] <webchat36>  /boot after mkfs
[16:13] <webchat36> then chroot
[16:13] <EriC^^> JustCurious: first be sure it's not some connection issue, as that can also cause i/o errors
[16:13] <webchat36> everything mounted except /boot
[16:14] <webchat36> need to mkfs /boot but i dont know uuid
[16:14] <webchat36> i pasted it
[16:14] <webchat36> the cat
[16:14] <JustCurious> ok
[16:14] <EriC^^> webchat36: where didyou mount the decrypted root fs? /mnt?
[16:14] <JustCurious> the the result: /dev/sdc: Unknown USB bridge [0x1058:0x25e2 (0x4004)]
[16:14] <webchat36> yes
[16:14] <JustCurious> well, maybe it's broken yes
[16:14] <JustCurious> 100 $ again
[16:14] <JustCurious> :(
[16:14] <webchat36> mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
[16:14] <webchat36> mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts
[16:15] <webchat36> mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc
[16:15] <webchat36> mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys
[16:15] <leftyfb> !paste | webchat36
[16:15] <EriC^^> webchat36: ok type 'cat /mnt /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999'
[16:15] <EriC^^> sorry
[16:15] <EriC^^> webchat36: ok type 'cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999'
[16:16] <EriC^^> JustCurious: how important is the data on it to you? if you have it already then i'd just get another hdd, if its not a connection issue its likely some failure and not reliable anyways
[16:16] <webchat36> EriC^^ i paste it here https://paste.debian.net/1225385/
[16:16] <JustCurious> EriC^^ not important the data, only the HD
[16:17] <JustCurious> ok thank you for your help
[16:17] <EriC^^> webchat36: this is the uuid, db3eb633-0441-441f-a924-c721648dd052
[16:17] <EriC^^> JustCurious: no problem, sorry about the bad news
[16:17] <webchat36> oh right the first time i didnt do it in mnt
[16:18] <JustCurious> Before leaving, let me advice you again purchasing Western Digital MyPassport HD
[16:18] <webchat36> EriC^^ mkfs succeeded
[16:18] <EriC^^> ive been using seagate, they seem ok, my older one lasted like 10 years maybe
[16:18] <webchat36> now how to install requiredments
[16:19] <webchat36> im chroot
[16:19] <webchat36> to /mnt
[16:19] <webchat36> owait i must mount boot
[16:19] <JustCurious> then I'm to buy some seagate
[16:19] <JustCurious> thanks
[16:20] <webchat36> EriC^^ what do i do with /boot
[16:20] <webchat36> i mean not /boot
[16:20] <webchat36> i mean the filesystem i just created for /boot
[16:20] <EriC^^> webchat36: reinstall the kernel and grub, apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-generic grub-efi-amd64-signed grub-efi-amd64-bin grub-common grub2-common
[16:20] <EriC^^> webchat36: ah
[16:20] <EriC^^> mount it, type "mount /boot"
[16:20] <EriC^^> in the chroot
[16:21] <webchat36>  should i do mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/boot
[16:21] <webchat36> before i chroot
[16:21] <webchat36> to mnt
[16:21] <EriC^^> doesn't matter, might as well chroot then run 'mount /boot' to test if its working with fstab
[16:22] <EriC^^> also 'mount /boot/efi' after
[16:22] <ice9> which sip softphone do you recommend?
[16:23] <webchat36> EriC^^ mount boot worked
[16:23] <webchat36> mount boot/efi didnt
[16:23] <webchat36> mount point doesnt excist
[16:23] <webchat36> i mounted it bewforte chroot though
[16:23] <EriC^^> ah right, type mkdir /boot/efi
[16:23] <nuxer> ok so I managed to get into the terminal login via esc on boot, but even after editing grub and updating it with the default CMDLINE pointing to "text" it still goes to the damn xwindow manager and hence paralyses the keyboard and mouse (the kb and mouse DO work when I press esc and boot into safe/recovery mode)
[16:24] <nuxer> in other words, what do I need to put where to stop ubuntu impish from booting into xwindow
[16:24] <webchat36> now do i install with apt
[16:24] <EriC^^> yeah
[16:24] <nuxer> I'm still going to check that avenue if I can get things to work via terminal since it works in safe mode thatway
[16:26] <nuxer> GRUB_CMLDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text"  ... sudo update-grub =>> didn't help, it still boots to GUI.
[16:27] <nuxer> all I'd need right now is to prevent the Ubuntu from booting into GUI
[16:27] <webchat36> EriC^^ ok installed now what]
[16:27] <webchat36> W: Couldn't identify type of root file system for fsck hook
[16:27] <webchat36> look like it worked but says this error
[16:28] <EriC^^> nuxer: text is deprecated kind of, try 'systemd.unit=multi-user.target'
[16:29] <EriC^^> webchat36: looks good i guess, ls -l /boot shows kernels and grub dir?
[16:30] <webchat36> eric it shows efi and grub dirs, and initrd.img and vmlinuz
[16:30] <EriC^^> there should be /boot/grub/grub.cfg and /boot/grub/x86_64-efi full of modules
[16:30] <webchat36> no only /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new
[16:30] <webchat36> and
[16:31] <webchat36> and the module
[16:31] <webchat36> s
[16:31] <EriC^^> modules there?
[16:31] <webchat36> yes
[16:31] <EriC^^> good
[16:31] <EriC^^> try 'update-grub' see if it makes a /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[16:32] <webchat36> no
[16:32] <webchat36> it only creates
[16:32] <webchat36> grub.cfg.new
[16:32] <webchat36> i renamed it it was created again
[16:32] <webchat36> after update-grub
[16:32] <EriC^^> odd, so now you have grub.cfg though cause you renamed right?
[16:33] <KBar> nuxer: `systemctl set-default multi-user.target`
[16:34] <KBar> nuxer: also try appending `systemd.unit=multi-user.target` to the kernel command line.
[16:35] <KBar> nuxer: or just disable your DM with systemctl. Whichever way you prefer, really.
[16:35] <webchat36> EriC^^should i rename it to grub.cfg
[16:35] <webchat36> EriC^^
[16:36] <EriC^^> webchat36: yeah try that
[16:36] <nuxer> yep, I disabled gdm3 via recovery mode and when I manually start it up from the terminal it no longer hangs up!
[16:36] <nuxer> whew
[16:36] <nuxer> ;)
[16:36] <KBar> ah, okay
[16:37] <nuxer> it was this apt package that needed to be (re)installed: xserver-xorg-input-all
[16:37] <nuxer> apparently it's a common problem.
[16:37] <KBar> nuxer: touchpad problems?
[16:37] <EriC^^> webchat36: it seems that grub makes .new when there is an error in /etc/default/grub or the /etc/grub.d files
[16:38] <EriC^^> webchat36: can you pastebin 'cat /etc/default/grub' ?
[16:39] <EriC^^> webchat36: also pastebin with it 'ls -l /etc/grub.d'
[16:45] <webchat36> https://paste.debian.net/1225391/
[16:46] <webchat36> https://paste.debian.net/1225392/
[17:11] <icedwater> I have a wireless driver that works on kernel 4.13, I'm trying to get it to run on 5.11 - any tips? I assume there's no newer package for drivers...
[17:14] <KBar> icedwater: is that Ubuntu 18.04? What wireless adapter are we talking about?
[17:36] <icedwater> KBar: ubuntu 20.04, it's a broadcom running intel wifi I think
[17:37] <icedwater> scrap that, lspci says 'Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 (rev 93)'
[17:38] <icedwater> lsmod shows the iwlwifi module is loaded on 4.13, but it doesn't show up on 5.11
[17:39] <icedwater> Ugh, gotta double-check before I ask questions. The current 5.x kernel I'm trying is 5.13
[17:40] <icedwater> Let me try that again...
[17:40] <icedwater> I have an intel wifi card that works on the 4.13 kernel with ubuntu 20.04, but when I boot with a 5.13 kernel, wifi is not detected.
[17:40] <KBar> Soon, we'll find out that you're actually running W******, eh? :)
[17:41] <icedwater> KBar: heh
[17:41] <KBar> Does it work with the default 5.11?
[17:42] <icedwater> Is 5.11 a default?
[17:42] <icedwater> I think no, but I've been trying a bunch of 5.x kernels and uninstalling them, so I'd have to check again
[17:43] <icedwater> I'll try again with 5.11.0-22-generic
[17:46] <KBar> icedwater: for Focal currently <IP_ADDRESS>.47~20.04.21
[17:50] <Jeremy31> icedwater: You might want to check to see if the linux-module-extra  is installed for that 5.13 kernel
[18:28] <leftyfb> icedwater: remove all the kernels you have manually installed and just install linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[18:51] <webchat36> hi can someone hel-p me fix my grub
[18:51] <webchat36> grub will not detect my LUKS encrytped ubuntu
[19:11] <webchat64> How do I install the audio driver for  Realtek I2S Audio
[19:12] <webchat64> I installed 20.04 on my rca cambio tablet.   I used the linixium image because it had 32bit efi, and everything worked but I had no audio.
[19:13] <webchat64> I looked up others who might have the problem with this device and it needs this Realtek I2S Audio driver, but this was not installed even though I have enabled non-free software.
[19:15] <leftyfb> webchat64: non-free is not a repository in ubuntu
[19:16] <leftyfb> webchat64: you are using a heavily modified version of ubuntu which cannot be supported here. You should seek support from linuxium
[19:17] <leftyfb> webchat64: several contact methods can be found at the bottom of https://www.linuxium.com.au/home
[19:21] <geirha> Pretty sure they just mean restricted and multiverse. The installer calls it "non-free"
[19:21] <leftyfb> geirha: it's a modified installer/ISO
[19:22] <leftyfb> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B99O3A0dDe67S053UE8zN3NwM2c/edit?resourcekey=0-q_wmonyHhCPjIjJ7FgPToQ
[20:14] <Guest49> Hi, I need some help working with Ubuntu 18. It's not about drivers as it was automatically taken care of.
[20:15] <Guest49> How to install .deb (or any other linux compressed package) offline?
[20:18] <Guest49> well... i'll be back. hold on.
[20:18] <B0RG> Yo, I'm new but I could help
[20:19] <B0RG> Guest49: Wanna know how to install .deb?
[20:20] <leftyfb> B0RG: they left
[20:21] <B0RG> Only trying to help, first time on IRC, working it out
[20:23] <B0RG> leftyfb: Know any decent servers/channels for music prod, hackers and general tech?
[20:23] <leftyfb> !alis | B0RG
[20:24] <B0RG> leftyfb: Thx man, bigup
[21:01] <Kuleshov> С новым 2022 Годом !!!!
[21:05] <leftyfb> !op | Kuleshov continues to spam this channel
[21:35] <str42> join python
[21:35] <str42> ignore prior statement all
[21:37] <Maik> str42: do you have a ubuntu support question?
[22:06] <Kuleshov> Тигрята я всех вас люблю!!!!
[22:09] <leftyfb> Kuleshov: please stop
[22:21] <MrCollinsGA> Hello. When I try to sudo anything I get the following error at this link
[22:21] <MrCollinsGA> https://ghostbin.com/9HOtA
[22:22] <MrCollinsGA> can anyone point me in the right direction to get this resolved
[22:22] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: boot to a live cd/usb and fix the issue with the sudoers file you created
[22:23] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, when I boot what should I do to it?
[22:23] <MrCollinsGA> ill boot into it now....
[22:23] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: what you should do actually is move the file out of the sudoers directory completely and fix it after
[22:24] <MrCollinsGA> ok
[22:31] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: are you bayman or is there someone else who just borked their machine with an ansible file in sudoers?
[22:31] <MrCollinsGA> no
[22:31] <MrCollinsGA> 100% not me.
[22:31] <MrCollinsGA> im booting into rescue mode on ubuntu right now on my VM
[22:32] <leftyfb> bayman in #ansible just had a similar issue
[22:32] <leftyfb> uncanny
[22:32] <MrCollinsGA> pure coincidence :)
[22:35] <MrCollinsGA> ok leftyfb Im in. so just move the three files out?
[22:35] <MrCollinsGA> theres actually gotta be one in there Ill leave README in there
[22:36] <MrCollinsGA> ok I have successfully moved those two files out.
[22:36] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, what can I do now?
[22:36] <oerheks> messing up sudoers file?? = reinstall
[22:37] <oerheks> it is just a vm...
[22:37] <MrCollinsGA> its a vm
[22:37] <MrCollinsGA> I can re spin it but id like to know what to do
[22:41] <oerheks> !info visudo
[22:41] <Kuleshov> ❤🍾🥂🎄☃❄🎅✨
[22:42] <leftyfb> Kuleshov: STOP
[22:42] <Kuleshov> ok
[22:42] <Kuleshov> :(
[22:43] <leftyfb> Kuleshov: stop posting in here unless you have an ubuntu support question
[22:43] <Kuleshov> I use Windows 11
[22:43] <leftyfb> Kuleshov: then /part
[22:43] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: remove your custom files, reboot into your machine and figure out what syntax issues you have with your custom sudoers files
[22:43] <Kuleshov> https://dchub.one/temp/
[22:44] <leftyfb> !op can we please remove Kuleshov who clearly has no business being here?
[22:44] <leftyfb> !op | can we please remove Kuleshov who clearly has no business being here?
[22:44] <jhutchins> This is also one of those issues where you can just step backwards through the changes you've made since it was last known to work.
[22:45] <jhutchins> leftyfb: I think the ops are all at New Year's Eve parties.
[22:45] <oerheks> visudo -c # would have shown errors
[22:45] <leftyfb> jhutchins: yeah, probably. Maybe we need more ops
[22:45] <oerheks> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/impish/man8/visudo.8.html
[22:46] <jhutchins> oerheks: Does visudo check includes?
[22:47] <oerheks> i am not sure what you mean with includes
[22:47] <oerheks> ?
[22:48] <leftyfb> jhutchins: it should check all the way down the chain
[22:59] <mister_m> Hi. I am running ubuntu 20.04 lts and rn it has gnome 3.36 or so. I'd like to use gnome 40+. Can I achieve this just by installing `gnome-session` and then selecting that as an option at the log in screen? What is the shortest path to gnome 40 that doesn't involve fresh installing
[23:01] <leftyfb> mister_m: upgrading to Ubuntu 21.10 or 22.04 when it is released in April
[23:02] <leftyfb> mister_m: 20.04 doesn't officially support gnome 40. But if you want to take the chance: https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-gnome-40-desktop-on-ubuntu-20-04/   you would be on your own though
[23:04] <mister_m> an upgrade sounds like the more sensible opton, thank yo u
[23:53] <MrCollinsGA> trying to mount an nfs share.
[23:53] <MrCollinsGA> I pass sudo mount serverip:/dir/dir/targetdir /file
[23:54] <MrCollinsGA> I get mounting serverip:/dir/dir/targetdir failed reason given by server: no such file or directory
[23:54] <MrCollinsGA> but it does exist.
[23:58] <MrCollinsGA> false alarm typo


[01:10] <jimtendo-X540S> Hi guys, have just recently installed Kubuntu on a new laptop (Asus X540S), but am noticing things are quite slow and it often freezes, requiring a reset. Looking at KSysGuard when things are slow, I'm noticing some processes show "Disk Sleep" as their CPU %. Anyone know what the cause of this might be or where I might be able to find further clues?
[01:11] <jimtendo-X540S> ... if it's relevant, I've installed with an ecrypted LUKS which might make things slightly slower. However, the CPU does support Intel's AES Instruction set, so I don't think this should affect things quite as badly as it is.
[01:12] <jimtendo-X540S> smartctl also did not reveal any errors with the hard-drive itself, so am assuming that's not the issue.
 I don't encrypt so not sure tbh
[03:33] <valorie> http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2016/09/kubuntu-beta-please-test.html
[06:33] <nadim> Good Morning, is there a way to toggle a window visibility from the command line? I'd like to have a yakuake like functionality for a browser (any application in fact) that I can make visibe/invisible  with a key  in my terminal
[06:41] <hateball> nadim: can you define visibility?
[06:41] <hateball> minimize/maxmize vs transparency
[06:42] <hateball> opacity?
[06:42] <hateball> Too early to English
[07:25] <zztopless> hello (hopefully) smarter people that I :)
[07:25] <acheronuk> hi :)
[07:26] <zztopless> just wondering if there is a way, when using the baloo search built into Dolphin, to filer by filesize (ie only show file above x size?
[07:28] <hateball> there is
[07:28] <zztopless> huzah!
[07:28] <hateball> now just lemme see how to do it properly
[07:32] <zztopless> :)  I did Google it for quite a while, couldn't find much
[07:33] <hateball> it is a matter of changing the baloosearch query string
[07:46] <zztopless> do you know if there is reference guide for the syntax?
[07:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:05] <zztopless> Afternoon...
[08:05] <zztopless> Well, evening really
[09:22] <viewer|35420> I can upgrade system from 15.10 to 16.04 directly?
[09:23] <nadim> hateball: visible on the screen or not; also hidden vs not hidden
[09:24] <nadim> hateball: think yakuake
[09:26] <soee> viewer|35420: yes
[09:30] <viewer|35420> thanks
[10:08] <momoe> I'm using Konsole, and need help with some of the keyboard commands. Does anyone remember how to switch tabs on the fly? It's not covered in the "handbook"
[10:15] <kuSuSE> anyone have win + L mapped to lock screen in kubuntu 16.04?
[10:19] <soee> momoe: SHIFT + LEFT or RIGHT
[10:20] <momoe> ty ty~
[10:34] <kuSuSE> hi, I'm on Kubuntu 16.04. I have a flash drive I formatted with LUKS + ext4 on Ubuntu but I can't open it in kubuntu. Cryptsetup is already installed and it prompts for a password but when I try to open it, I get could not enter folder "media/username/drivename"
[10:51] <BluesKaj> HIyas all
[11:18] <GuKKDevel> hi there
[11:18] <GuKKDevel> need some help with 16.04.1
[11:18] <hateball> !help | GuKKDevel
[11:18] <GuKKDevel> kdeinit cant start ksystraycmd
[11:19] <hateball> what has changed between your install working normally, and now?
[11:20] <GuKKDevel> insatteld kubuntu 16.04.1 on a clan disk;  *no* update or upgrade
[11:20] <GuKKDevel> installed
[11:25] <GuKKDevel> I installed kubuntu 16.04.1 on a clean disk; did *no* update or upgrade.  trying to start dolphin with kmenu I get a popup telling me, KDEINIT can not open ksystraycmd (dont know the correct wording because i use german)
[11:25] <hateball> GuKKDevel: but your system boots otherwise?
[11:26] <hateball> since you apparently can get to the desktop
[11:26] <GuKKDevel> booting ok other programs also ok (almost synaptic)
[11:26] <hateball> GuKKDevel: I would suggest you do this to get a less buggy experience: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[11:26] <GuKKDevel> I only have problems with dolphin and firefox so far
[11:27] <hateball> "so far" being keywords here
[11:33] <BluesKaj>  try instead sudo add-apt-repository ppa:/kubuntu-ppa/backports then update and upgrade
[11:37] <GuKKDevel> sorry started command from hateball and waiting for end up to now 25 %
[11:41] <hateball> It'll take a while
[11:43] <GuKKDevel> still the same error
[11:44] <hateball> GuKKDevel: you'll need a reboot after it completes
[11:44] <GuKKDevel> ok wait please
[11:49] <GuKKDevel> file  libkdeinit5_ksystraycmd can not be found
[11:52] <GuKKDevel> hateball, BluesKaj: file libkdeinit5_ksystraycmd can not be found
[11:52] <hateball> GuKKDevel: Could this be your issue? http://askubuntu.com/questions/722241/dolphin-file-manager-will-not-launch
[11:54] <GuKKDevel> I will try
[11:55] <BluesKaj> GuKKDevel, make sure you have kinit installed
[11:57] <GuKKDevel> BluesKaj, hateball: it was the askubuntu questestion; why did this happen?
[11:58] <hateball> GuKKDevel: if it was a clean install then I dont really have an answer
[11:59] <GuKKDevel> it was an installation fom kubuntu-dvd to an empty drive; including formatting
[12:00] <GuKKDevel> so thanks to you for helping me
[12:00] <BluesKaj> GuKKDevel, did you check the md5 sum ?
[12:00] <GuKKDevel> how?
[12:11] <GuKKDevel> ok checking
[12:12] <kuSuSE> hi, I'm on Kubuntu 16.04. I have a flash drive I formatted with LUKS + ext4 on Ubuntu but I can't open it in kubuntu. Cryptsetup is already installed and it prompts for a password but when I try to open it, I get could not enter folder "media/username/drivename"
[12:14] <GuKKDevel> BluesKaj, hateball: all md5sums are ok
[12:17] <hateball> GuKKDevel: well, I dont think you have anything to worry about now. All problems solved, no?
[12:17] <GuKKDevel> you are right hateball
[13:04] <miguelzd> hi there
[13:05] <miguelzd> is anyone there_
[13:05] <miguelzd> ?
[14:00] <dbrom> im trying to use rsync to move a folder from a remote system to a local server... with no luck  syntex that i am using is   rsync --progress -av -P "ssh -p 45" dbrom@ip:/home/dbrom/Downloads/ move
[14:00] <dbrom> anyone able to assist
[14:08] <soee> dbrom: try asking on #ubuntu
[14:11] <rattking> dbrom I think you need a -e before the "ssh -p 45"
[14:12] <DarthFrog> dbrom:  Try "rsync -avvPe "ssh -p 45".  You need the "e" switch to identify the shell to use and pass parameters to it.
[14:12] <DarthFrog> Also --progress and -P do the same thing.
[18:39] <kuSuSE> hi guys, can someone run a test for me to check if I'm going insane? please open Mozilla Firefox on Kubuntu and try to save a picture. Were you able to save it?
[18:41] <kuSuSE> never mind sorry
[19:07] <momoe> In Konversation is ther e a way to filter out when people are joining/leaving the chat room? Kinda spamming up the IRC here.
[19:07] <Pici> !quietirc | momoe
[19:08] <momoe> ubottu: ty *^_^*
[19:08]  * momoe pats the nice bot on the head.
[19:18] <GuKKDevel_> how to set different wallpapers for different working surface?
[19:23] <kuSuSE> Thank you ubottu xx
[19:31] <BluesKaj> GuKKDevel_:  different activity or virtual desktop ?
[19:32] <GuKKDevel_> virtual desktop BluesKaj
[19:32] <BluesKaj> GuKKDevel_:  which kubuntu version ?
[19:33] <GuKKDevel_> 16.04.1
[19:34] <BluesKaj> the seaparate walpapers for virtual desktops option ios longer available after 15.04 /plasma5, but you can set different wall paper in different activities
[19:35] <BluesKaj> not after but from 15.04 on
[19:39] <GuKKDevel_> thx BluesKaj; I'll try
[23:16] <semistud> Im trying to a computer that is running kubuntu 16.04 using KRFB, and i AM able to connect, but the screen doesn't refresh or update?
[23:16] <semistud> I can move the mouse and the mouse moves on the server(krfb) side, but the screen doesn't update (i open program/file but my side just shows a "screenshot" of what it first looked like when i connected, but on the desktop it actually opens)
[23:16] <semistud> I did some research and the only thing i found was from 2011 [ https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1383356 ], and the only thing suggested was to remove desktop effects....i tried disabling them in system settings but still not working...
[23:16] <semistud> how do you remove the desktop effects? anyone else running into this??
[23:16] <semistud> [my computer kubuntu 16.04 krdc >to> kubuntu 16.04 doesnt work ]
[23:16] <semistud> **i did manage to connect and have it work on UBUNTU16.04...so i dont think its KRDC....im leaning toward it being krfb
[23:19] <semistud> i found something similar https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=214446
[23:19] <semistud> for red hat


[10:52] <hads> Upgraded another server tonight 10.04 -> 12.04. An old PHP site broke since it seems PHP5 no longer supports sqlite2. Had to deploy some workarounds.
[10:53] <hads> There's always something.
[10:55] <thumper> heh
[18:55] <ajmitch> hads: sqlite2 should have been dropped several years ago, it's hard to get rid of these things :)
[18:58] <chilts> morning
[18:59] <ajmitch> yeah, morning
[18:59]  * ajmitch had better not forget the important part :)
[19:26] <Atamira> morning
[19:28] <hads> morning


[07:00] <bassem> xnixan_, how is your plone?
[11:41] <bassem> xnixan,
[11:41] <bassem> xnixan, how is your plone?
[14:56] <xnixan> bassem, it is killing me :(
[14:57] <xnixan> bassem, and i do not have time for that!
[14:57] <bassem> xnixan, long time I didn't play with it!
[14:57] <bassem> xnixan, it's zope based ?
[14:57] <xnixan> bassem, yep
[14:57] <bassem> xnixan, do you want to outsource it?! :-)
[14:58] <xnixan> bassem, you are dangerous :D
[14:58] <bassem> xnixan, looool
[14:58] <bassem> xnixan, in the bad meaning or the good one?
[14:58] <xnixan> bassem, for sure in the good one :)
[14:59] <bassem> xnixan, dangerous as in information leak ?
[14:59] <xnixan> bassem, as information detector :p
[15:00] <bassem> xnixan, I will setup the service and deliver everything to you, and you later will put the top secret information!
[15:01] <xnixan> bassem, looool


[08:21] <elfy> have we done something with xdg-open or something - hexchat suddenly trying and failing to open urls in a new browser :(
[08:25] <Unit193> 2015-01-22
[08:26] <Unit193> What's the session log say?
[08:27] <elfy> which log?
[08:28] <Unit193> .cache/upstart/startxfce4.log
[08:30] <elfy> nothing useful - just a bunch of mousepad stuff
[08:31] <Unit193> OK.
[08:31] <elfy> 22nd sounds about right for it changing
[08:35] <elfy> bbl
[10:44] <brainwash> elfy: use exo-open :)
[10:45] <brainwash> there's bug 1388922
[10:54] <brainwash> elfy: xdg-utils package has been updated. now the blanking timeout reset bug should be fixed. please test!
[11:03] <brainwash> Unit193: any idea how to make debian package a new xdg-utils build?
[11:04] <brainwash> it seems somewhat stupid to use the current ubuntu package and add all these upstream patches
[11:05] <brainwash> so, we need something fresh which could be synced from debian
[11:26] <bluesabre> elfy: did you get a chance to take abiword from -staging for a spin?  If you approve, I'll sync the updated package tonight
[11:46] <brainwash> bluesabre: can you review https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11293 please? this bug seems to break one of the iso test cases
[11:48] <bluesabre> that looks like a good patch
[11:49] <bluesabre> I'll merge that one in tonight, and add it to the package
[11:49] <brainwash> thanks :)
[11:50] <bluesabre> Unit193: good find, I'll also do that tonight
[11:51] <bluesabre> also, uploaded your screenshooter
[11:53] <bluesabre> glad I didn't have internet over the weekend to finish my blog post, seems we have plenty more new things landing in xfce-land
[12:44] <elfy> brainwash: that bug is old - this is new behaviour that'd turned up in the last few days - must have been caused by something
[12:46] <elfy> bluesabre: appears to be ok here
[12:46] <brainwash> elfy: old but still valid. for example, xdg-screensaver is not able to detect Xfce, so it falls back to "other DE"
[12:46] <elfy> right - your not understanding what I am saying
[12:46] <elfy> hexchat opened url's fine
[12:47] <elfy> something - that is NOT hexchat must have changed
[12:47] <brainwash> I understand what you are saying
[12:47] <elfy> then sending me looking at old info isn't helping
[12:47] <brainwash> all of the sudden it stopped working
[12:47] <brainwash> but the linked bug is old
[12:51] <bluesabre> well, if we just updated the package, and the breakage is new, its an issue with the new package... so what changed that affects xfce and related component detection
[12:51] <elfy> if suddenly something stops working and there's been no change in that package - the bug is something that has turned up recently - not last November
[12:51] <elfy> and re parole setting screen blank, that appears sorted :)
[12:51] <bluesabre> brainwash: did we change something with "Other DE"?  Chances are there was something specific there that made things work a bit better.
[12:52] <bluesabre> if you can't find anything, I'll try to find time to diff utopic and vivid versions and see if anything jumps out at me
[12:56] <elfy> url's from other things like tbird open properly
[12:56] <elfy> just fyi
[12:57] <brainwash> disconnect
[12:58] <elfy> ?
[12:58] <elfy> though generally I feel like that - not sure it's going to help with this :)
[12:59] <elfy> this isn't something that's happened today - but daily for a few days - and I've been disconnected from here in between times
[12:59] <brainwash> I missed the previous message(s)
[12:59] <brainwash> before "just fyi"
[13:00] <elfy> not sure when I first noticed - possibly Friday, more likely Saturday
[13:01] <brainwash> the xdg-utils package was indeed updated, but no one touched the xdg-open part
[13:05] <brainwash> elfy: a simple test would be to execute xdg-open manually, like "xdg-open <url>"
[13:06] <elfy> well that works fine - didn't think it wouldn't
[13:06] <elfy> as I said url's work from tbird - it's seemingly hexchat which is causing me a problem
[13:08] <brainwash> bug 1408156
[13:08] <elfy> brainwash: again - old
[13:09] <brainwash> hmm yeah
[13:09] <elfy> if there's a bug from a day or two ago - then I'd be happy - but this has JUST started here - it was fine :)
[13:09] <brainwash> sadly there is none
[13:09] <elfy> anyway - bbl - just my cuppa break :)
[13:09] <brainwash> bye
[13:10] <elfy> brainwash: well I'm not sad so much as this has obviously been broken for me really recently - so should be able to track it down
[13:10] <elfy> at least hopefully :D
[14:44] <brainwash> elfy: just tested it myself, clicking some URL in the chat window or passing it to /url just opens an empty firefox window
[14:45] <brainwash> however, it works fine when running the unity session
[14:45] <brainwash> and xdg-open is not involved at all
[16:09] <elfy> brainwash: so what is involved then - because it's obviously not just a hexchat issue
[16:10] <elfy> thanks for looking too :)
[16:15] <brainwash> elfy: not just?
[16:17] <brainwash> I'd assume that hexchat is doing something weird
[16:17] <elfy> yea - how can it be just hexchat - it was working fine previously and hexchat hasn't had an update
[16:18] <brainwash> hexchat is our only hint
[16:18] <elfy> not quite :)
[16:19] <elfy> it was working fine last week is another one ;)
[16:19] <brainwash> ah, yeah
[16:19] <elfy> believe me I would have said something before :)
[16:19] <brainwash> did we change any environmental vars?
[16:19] <elfy> I'm constantly clicking links in this channel :D
[16:20] <brainwash> well.... apt does some logging
[16:20] <brainwash> you will have to check which packages have been updated
[16:20] <elfy> last changelog for hexchat in vivid - 16 Nov
[16:21] <brainwash> yes, I mean what has been updated last week
[16:21] <elfy> yea - was just going for easier options first
[16:21] <elfy> yep I realise that brainwash :)
[16:22] <brainwash> my test system runs several DEs, so it could take some time find any hints
[16:22] <brainwash> tons of packages are updated on a regular basis
[16:23] <elfy> I'll get some idea of what's been updated here last week first
[16:23] <brainwash> great :)
[16:23] <elfy> started this morning with what I did - just in case someone like Unit193 or bluesabre had an idea of a likely candidate
[16:48] <brainwash> elfy: exp-open <url>  just opens a firefox window too
[16:48] <brainwash> ^ exo-open
[16:48] <elfy> just started xchat - opens a url properly
[16:50] <brainwash> I changed my browser and it works now in hexchat and with exo-open
[16:50] <brainwash> did you update firefox to version 36 (-proposed)?
[16:50] <elfy> yea
[16:50] <brainwash> same
[16:50] <elfy> I was just pondering that actually
[16:50] <brainwash> so something changed in firefox
[16:51] <elfy> I'll just purge that
[16:52] <elfy> yep
[16:52] <elfy> that's the issue \o/
[16:53] <elfy> just came across it in the list I'm fiddling with :)
[16:58] <elfy> I just need to remember to not let it update that then in time
[16:58] <brainwash> what about filing a report?
[16:59] <elfy> because as soon as it's noticed that it's from proposed in vivid it'll get ignored
[17:01] <elfy> got enough ignored bug reports for now :)
[17:02] <brainwash> I'd assume that this bug will affect every Xfce user once they update firefox to version 36
[17:03] <elfy> probably
[17:03] <brainwash> lets wait and see :D
[17:03] <elfy> :)
[17:03] <elfy> at least we know now it's not us :p
[17:04] <brainwash> not sure if I can recover my firefox bugzilla login details
[17:05] <brainwash> not sure, xdg-open works fine, but exo-open does not anymore
[17:05] <brainwash> maybe it has to be fixed in Xfce
[17:06] <brainwash> one of these rare cases which no one notices until it breaks
[17:09] <elfy> possible
[17:10] <elfy> not really sure what to report it against there tbh
[17:11] <brainwash> firefox + exo (+ hexchat)
[17:11] <brainwash> just add them all
[17:13] <elfy> to the comment?
[17:14] <brainwash> or do you mean reporting on mozilla's bug tracker?
[17:14] <elfy> not doing that :)
[17:14] <elfy> I'd have to make an account to do it
[17:14] <brainwash> I was thinking about adding all these packages to the lp report
[17:14] <elfy> what LP report?
[17:14] <brainwash> affects list
[17:15] <brainwash> the report which you gonna create :)
[17:15] <elfy> I already said I'm not going to create another LP report that'll get ignored ...
[17:15] <elfy> I'd report one to xfce exo
[17:16] <brainwash> yeah, sounds fine
[17:16] <brainwash> ideally someone should test with trusty + firefox 36
[17:17] <brainwash> but no one here runs trusty anymore... or?
[17:17] <elfy> if as you say it works in unity then frankly most of the time that's all anyone looking at LP cares about
[17:17] <elfy> unless it's one of our things and someone here is dealing with it
[17:17] <brainwash> I do care about Xfce reports on lp =S
[17:18] <elfy> we do generally - but as soon as it's got something else like ff then *they* don't
[17:18] <brainwash> the mozilla guys are probably not monitoring lp anyway
[17:18] <elfy> you know exactly what I mean
[17:19] <brainwash> true
[17:19] <elfy> I had a bug with indicators - gets changed to pulseaudio - because apparently it wasn't running
[17:19] <elfy> yes it was
[17:19] <elfy> obviously working fine in ubuntu - ignore that then
[17:20] <elfy> when I can be bothered I'll create ubuntu stick and see if I see the same
[17:20] <elfy> then critically fail and ubuntu test - people look at those :p
[17:21] <brainwash> the sad truth
[17:21] <elfy> so - ff36 isn't released to anything yet
[17:22] <brainwash> no, unless you use vivid-proposed or some ppa
[17:22] <elfy> it was working here in ff35 which I'd grabbed from proposed previously
[17:22] <elfy> then I saw 36 there and grabbed that one :)
[17:23] <brainwash> kinda strange, why do they skip 35...
[17:23] <brainwash> for -release
[17:23] <elfy> it was in proposed for vivid previous to last week
[21:49] <flexiondotorg_> Evening.
[21:49] <flexiondotorg_> Anyone here who has a hand in lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings?
[21:49] <flexiondotorg_> It works a treat in Ubuntu MATE and I'd like to include it.
[21:49] <flexiondotorg_> I understand it is not uploaded to universe yet.
[21:50] <flexiondotorg_> Do you need help with finding a sponsor for that or are there other reason why it has not yet been uploaded?
[21:50] <flexiondotorg_> ali1234, bluesabre ^^^^
[22:06] <slickymaster> knome, I think that the setence in line 242 of the guide-keeping-safe has to be rephrased
[22:06] <slickymaster> currently it reads: "Firewalls can be protect you against..."
[22:06] <slickymaster> that 'be' doesn't make sense and has to be removed
[22:14] <Unit193> Or add 'used', either way works.
[22:19] <slickymaster> damn it, I always forget to update the pot files
[22:20] <slickymaster> always end up pushing it twice, because of that :P
[22:44] <Unit193> elfy: xfce4-screenshooter in Ubuntu archives has imgur support now, in case you didn't know.
[23:05] <bluesabre> flexiondotorg_: currently lightdm-gtk-greeter and the related settings are getting some updates in preparation of 1.10/2.0
[23:06] <bluesabre> we were wanting to get it to debian and then ubuntu, but with debian in freeze, it would go directly to ubuntu
[23:06] <bluesabre> we hope to have it in universe this cycle
[23:10] <Unit193> bluesabre: If it doesn't exist in Debian already, then there's not really a problem.
[23:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also, only a few Xfce applications had that autostart bit, so not sure what the deal is.  xfce4-settings, which builds fine, doesn't.
[23:23] <brainwash> bluesabre: do we have to ping someone who can accept xubu default settings into trusty-proposed?
[23:24] <brainwash> and what about utopic? is it first trusty, wait for verification, then utopic?


[12:49] <evand> arg, missed him
[12:12] <CIA-16> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2020 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.4.9
[12:23] <CIA-16> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2021 ubiquity/ubiquity/components/partman.py: use separate variables for separate tasks
[03:22] <CIA-16> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2022 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[03:22] <CIA-16> ubiquity: * Suppress error dialog if the user quits while a debconffiltered process
[03:22] <CIA-16> ubiquity:  is running.
[04:57] <mgalvin> quick question... what tool does d-i use to install packages? is there a different minimalistic apt like tool it uses (i though i read that somewhere but can't seem to find that info again)?
[05:00] <cjwatson> do you mean the packages that make up d-i itself?
[05:00] <cjwatson> (udebs)
[05:02] <CIA-16> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2023 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman.py):
[05:02] <CIA-16> ubiquity: * New partitioner: If the user tries to change multiple attributes of a
[05:02] <CIA-16> ubiquity:  partition at once, look each item up in the partman menu in sequence
[05:02] <CIA-16> ubiquity:  rather than looking them all up at the start. This makes it possible
[05:02] <CIA-16> ubiquity:  e.g. to change the method from one that doesn't support a mountpoint to
[05:02] <CIA-16> ubiquity:  one that does and set a mountpoint at the same time.
[05:17] <mgalvin> cjwatson: no... how does d-i install each package such as xorg, gedit, etc... does d-i call apt or apititude or does this happen some other way?
[05:17] <cjwatson> it calls tasksel which calls aptitude
[05:17] <cjwatson> actually, no, apt-get these days
[05:18] <mgalvin> ah, thats what i was looking for
[05:18] <mgalvin> dapper uses the method you just mentioned correct?
[05:18] <mgalvin> tasksel
[05:20] <mgalvin> cjwatson: thanks!
[05:20] <cjwatson> no, dapper called aptitude directly
[05:20] <mgalvin> hm, ok cool
[05:20] <mgalvin> thanks
[05:27] <CIA-16> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2024 ubiquity/ (17 files in 3 dirs): * Update translations from Rosetta.
[11:53] <CIA-16> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2025 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[11:53] <CIA-16> ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: console-setup
[11:53] <CIA-16> ubiquity:  1.13ubuntu13, partman-auto 62ubuntu10.
[11:56] <CIA-16> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2026 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.4.9


[07:58] <henno> When using lightdm and being on the password prompt I have to push the enter key twice after typing my password to login. I had this bug in 14.04 and still on 16.04  (all ugraded, dist-upgraded and release-upgraded). Since this could be a security issue I would consider this a bug. Is this behaviour known?
[15:13] <ahasenack> hi, could someone please accept the xenial nomination on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chkrootkit/+bug/1508248 ? Thanks!
[15:13] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1508248 in chkrootkit "chkrootkit gives false positive Linux/Ebury - Operation Windigo" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:14] <ahasenack> and decline the Wily one perhaps
[16:24] <sbeattie> ahasenack: done, thanks!
[16:39] <ahasenack> sbeattie: cheers