[01:09] <duanedesign> czajkowski: it is on my todo for Monday morning.
[06:14] <paultag> nigelb: I'm using node.js to play around :)
[06:15] <paultag> It's pretty awesome
[06:15] <paultag> I just wrote a templating engine for it, with data stored in JSON. I should really update it to actually, you know, do something
[08:11] <czajkowski> duanedesign: great
[08:11] <czajkowski> paultag: go to sleep
[10:12] <nigelb> paultag: neat
[10:36] <nigelb> paultag: gah, now I'm installing node.js too.
[15:56] <paultag> czajkowski: I did :)
[16:06] <paultag> nigelb: I have a sever where it can be running on port 80
[16:07] <paultag> nigelb: so I'm going to write something cool with nodejs, I think. I have it templating, so I need it to collaborate with something. Perhaps if I can work out the callbacks, I can make a pair-programming editor
[16:07] <paultag> have it auth'd, and then work off git or something. It'll clone it, filebrowse on the left, edit on the right, and let you commit and stuff
[16:08] <paultag> but only with local access :)
[16:10] <paultag> and a socket api, pretty please
[17:18] <nigelb> paultag: something like web-based gobby?
[17:18] <paultag> nigelb: like google docs, but with like vi syntax or something
[17:18] <nigelb> that's be sooooo cool ;)
[17:19] <nigelb> paultag: node.js overall seems to be very cool
[17:19] <paultag> nigelb: yeah, it's a tad wonky, but I like the webserver having a state
[17:19] <nigelb> heh
[17:19] <paultag> nigelb: so you can preload data, then start serving statc stuff, and re-work it on different events
[17:19] <paultag> nigelb: it's going to run a whole lot faster then php, imho
[17:19] <paultag> I've not tested it, but I have a feeling
[17:19] <nigelb> its probably faster than most languages
[17:20] <nigelb> Because particularly of its async loading
[17:20] <paultag> I've got to try client / server stuff. I think you have to vend out javascript in javascript
[17:20] <paultag> something about that seems dirty, I need to figure out how to do it right
[17:21] <nigelb> What I like best about node.js is that now you only need 1 language for client and server side
[17:21] <nigelb> which is like *awesome*
[17:21] <paultag> nigelb: i'm not convinced yet
[17:22] <paultag> nigelb: it's really awkward to do a lot of stuff
[17:22] <nigelb> paultag: well, true.  Callbacks and callbacks and more callbacks
[17:22] <paultag> nigelb: yeah, but if you can model it right, callbacks rock hard.
[17:22] <paultag> nigelb: what I don't like is that you have to smoosh it all into one file
[17:22] <paultag> nigelb: and that the js tree makes it hard to server actual things, like files
[17:23] <nigelb> paultag: You'e using 2.5?
[17:23] <paultag> nigelb: so you can't put a css file in with the js files, and serve it on a request to that file, y'know
[17:23] <paultag> nigelb: I'm using git
[17:23] <nigelb> There probably really active development
[17:23] <paultag> nigelb: yeah, I'm using the git head
[17:23] <paultag> nigelb: I have it installed to opt, and similinked in
[17:23] <nigelb> paultag: http://transloadit.com/
[17:23] <paultag>  f
[17:24] <paultag> whops!
[17:24] <paultag> gnome-do's not working
[17:24] <nigelb> I think I showed you before, its built with node.js and ffmeg and other open source stuff
[17:24] <paultag> nigelb: oh yes, you did
[17:25] <nigelb> paultag: Well, if they can do something so awesome . . .
[17:26] <nigelb> sky's the limit I'd reckon
[17:27] <paultag> nigelb: I'm worried about a few things. I think this is *great* as a secondary server, for tracking state ( you don't need a DB to hold "global" states ), but not great for doing the usual things
[17:27] <paultag> nigelb: I'm tempted to use the nodejs server as a json server, vend off php, and ajax state from node into the app
[17:27] <nigelb> paultag: that would totally rock
[17:28] <paultag> nigelb: that or re-write the webserver
[17:28] <nigelb> paultag: That makes sense from so many standpoints
[17:28] <paultag> nigelb: thanks :)
[17:28] <paultag> nigelb: I try and make sense :)
[17:28] <nigelb> You can always fork and people might be running paultag.node.js :p
[17:28] <paultag> Nah, I'd be nice and send in patches
[17:28] <paultag> I don't have time to maintain something like that
[17:28] <nigelb> heh
[17:29] <paultag> all I need to do is figure out to how barf json in javascript
[17:29] <paultag> it should be easy
[17:30] <nigelb> dude, json is javascript object notation remember?
[17:30] <paultag> nigelb: that just means that you can take json and it's valid javascript
[17:31] <nigelb> oh, well, use jquery then :p
[17:31] <paultag> nigelb: that does not mean javascript can make json, that'd be like saying that c can produce c code because it's written in c
[17:31] <paultag> nigelb: with nodejs ?
[17:31] <nigelb> or at least look at jquery source to see how they barf json
[17:31] <paultag> true that
[17:31] <paultag> ah, json.org has a json.js script
[17:32] <paultag> damnit, I can't inline that
[17:32] <paultag> nodejs, you're cramping my style. Please be built in
[17:32] <nigelb> Well, if you see jquery compressed, you'll know that anything is in-line-able
[17:34] <paultag> humm
[17:34] <paultag> nodejs has something called "JSON.stringify("
[17:34] <paultag> I wonder if that'll do it
[17:34] <nigelb> aha
[17:34] <nigelb> g31
[17:43] <paultag> nigelb: http://pastebin.com/EdrrVCrh
[17:43] <paultag> nigelb: that's what I just got off my netbook
[17:44] <paultag> nigelb: and I just got that json stuff to work. Now time to use it :)
[17:48] <nigelb> paultag: I can't believe its just that much!
[17:49] <paultag> nigelb: I need to figure out how to make it smarter
[17:49] <paultag> that and debian needs a patch
[17:50] <paultag> nodejs is really out of date
[17:50] <paultag> to the point where that won't run
[17:50] <nigelb> ew
[17:50] <paultag> ( and I knew my syntax was right )
[17:50] <paultag> so I tried git and it worked flawlessly
[17:50] <nigelb> heh
[17:50] <paultag> the only time i've blamed the compiler and won
[17:50] <nigelb> I just compiled from source - the stable version
[17:51] <nigelb> I wish there ws something like virtualenv
[17:51] <paultag> nigelb: I don't like running make install. I've just hacked it in
[17:51] <nigelb> ah
[17:51] <paultag> nigelb: I just used bits of my old package manager to do it
[19:30] <jcastro> wow
[19:30] <jcastro> with autohide on unity is really starting to be awesome
[19:33] <nisshh> jcastro, it needs an intellihide :)
[20:06] <popey> Intellihide(¢∞§¶•ªºœ∑åß∂®ƒ†©\˙µΩ≈ç√∫˙∆¨^˚¬π…“æ‘«  damnit! where's the TM symbol!
[20:10] <vish> ™
[22:16] <jcastro> nisshh: yeah, some day
[22:16] <jcastro> right now this will do the trick though
[22:17] <jcastro> ironically, for all the drama, with autohid on it looks just like 10.10 except minus the bottom panel
[22:32] <nisshh> jcastro, yeah, hehe


[01:40] <blueyed> Nafallo: file a bug about ssh. I think it should become a meta/redirect package instead. Maybe only the desc needs to get changed?
[02:59] <ijuz_> ok, damn, no idea what package exactly is causing this: tribe-2 alternate installs on my laptop (dell latitude D830), but 20070704 produces just really fancy colourful signs at the point when you can choose the resolution, 20070706 produces just a black screen
[07:36] <calc> i managed to pack a weeks worth of clothes and my laptop, psp, etc into my laptop bag :)
[07:37] <realist> Always helps when a "weeks worth" of clothing is one spare shirt, and 7 days worth of undergarments :-)
[07:40] <calc> 7 undergarments, 5 shirts, shorts, undershirt, etc
[07:40] <Hobbsee> calc: did you fix openoffice first, though?
[07:41] <calc> Hobbsee: doko wasn't able to get back to me until late today so i wasn't able to fix it yet
[07:41] <fabbione> calc: either you are really tiny or your laptop is huge :)
[07:41] <calc> Hobbsee: he has some fixes he wants me to do with the upload
[07:41] <calc> fabbione: its a case logic laptop bag
[07:41] <Hobbsee> fabbione!
[07:41] <Hobbsee> calc: ahh.  please do it, i want a working office :)
[07:41] <fabbione> Hobbsee: !
[07:41] <calc> i think the newer version of it has a wheel cart built in
[07:41] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:42] <calc> Hobbsee: me too, hopefully someone will fix gutsy while i'm there so i can run it too
[07:42] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:43] <calc> wow they have even bigger bags now, heh
[07:45] <calc> looks kinda like this http://www.caselogic.com/15_4_rolling_lightweight_laptop_case/product_detail/index.cfm?modelid=63667  but they don't actually make my model anymore
[08:06] <srbaker> folks.  having a bit of trouble with netboot.  i've three-times checked my config
[08:06] <srbaker> but the client is saying File Not Found (even though the logs say the server is sending it)
[08:06] <srbaker> anyone have any ideas what to check?
[08:06] <Hobbsee> i'd suggest you want #ubuntu+1
[08:06] <srbaker> ?
[08:07] <Hobbsee> support?
[08:07] <srbaker> i want wherever i can find someone smart enough to give me an answer.
[08:07] <Hobbsee> not development?
[08:07] <srbaker> #ubuntu didn't cut it
[08:07] <srbaker> i'll try there
[08:07] <Hobbsee> besides, almost no one is here now...
[08:07] <srbaker> damn
[08:07] <srbaker> yeah, it's 2 here.  i've never had a netboot not work
[08:07] <srbaker> and i've done dozens
[08:28] <Hobbsee> geser: ping
[08:30] <Mithrandir> packages using bzr should have a check in debian/rules which makes the build fall over if you have uncommitted changes.
[08:31] <Mithrandir> with an override switch, probably
[08:31] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: unfortunately the bzr version doesnt actually build at the moment, though
[08:31] <Hobbsee> mmm...now that would be a ncie plan
[08:31] <Mithrandir> I pondered doing that for casper, but then I got distracted by something shiny.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:32] <Hobbsee> mmm...shiny
[08:33] <Mithrandir> now, have we turned you over to the brown side yet?  With shiny.
[08:34] <Hobbsee> no.
[08:34] <Hobbsee> it's very grey.  not silver.  very dull, and definetly not shiny
[08:35] <Hobbsee> hi spam
[09:13] <luka74> StevenK: merged digikam is on http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam/ if you want to upload ;-)
[10:15] <shirish> ubotu paste
[10:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:16] <shirish> ubotu bug-reporting
[10:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bug-reporting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:17] <shirish> ubotu bug
[10:17] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ IRC is not a good medium to report bugs and this channel is for development coordination.
[10:53] <RoC_MasterMind> When 2.6.21 makes it into an Ubuntu package, will the tickless feature be enabled?
[10:54] <tepsipakki> gutsy has .22
[10:54] <RoC_MasterMind> with tickless?
[10:54] <tepsipakki> dunno, what config name is it?
[10:55] <RoC_MasterMind> I can check
[10:55] <RoC_MasterMind> CONFIG_NO_HZ maybe.
[10:56] <tepsipakki> CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
[10:56] <RAOF> Yeah that's it.
[10:56] <RoC_MasterMind> I see.
[10:56] <RoC_MasterMind> Good to know.
[11:02] <cjwatson_> Nafallo: I've changed ssh to identify itself as a metapackage rather than as a transitional package in my tree.
[11:15] <geser> Hobbsee: pong
[11:15] <geser> pitti wanted to check in my apt debdiff as I can't commit directly to the apt branch
[11:16] <geser> but as he was about to leave and bzr took to long he wants to do it later
[11:28] <StevenK> Lure: Can I ask you merge my changelog entry into digikam?
[11:29] <StevenK> Lure: I can do it, if you wish.
[11:29] <Lure> StevenK: I can do that, no problem
[11:38] <Lure> StevenK: updated package on http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam/
[11:39] <Sp4rKy> hi there :)
[11:39] <Sp4rKy> anyone to check my initramfs-tools merge ?
[11:40] <Sp4rKy> http://paste.dunnewind.net/15
[11:46] <ccm> is there a draft somewhere what changed with luks encryption in gutsy? i am interested especially in a hopefully set up gui password prompt
[11:58] <Fujitsu> ccm: I don't think much has changed, other than some feisty initramfs changes being reverted.
[12:00] <Sp4rKy> Fujitsu: are you available to check my merge ?
[12:04] <StevenK> Lure: Okay, I did make it. Source publishing as I speak, and it should hit the buildds in next 45 minutes or so.
[12:04] <Fujitsu> Sp4rKy: I'm no core-dev, and I know nothing about initramfs-tools.
[12:04] <Lure> StevenK: great
[12:12] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/+builds/kohnen -> someone check the status of this machine
[12:20] <Nafallo> cjwatson: nice :-)
[12:24] <Kmos> bug 48556 is already fix released ?
[12:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48556 in linux-source-2.6.15 "ACPI-0517: ****Error Method parse/execudion failed" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48556
[12:29] <cjwatson> Kmos: you should ask the kernel team, when they aren't (nearly) all travelling
[12:29] <Kmos> cjwatson: you aren't a member of kernel team ?
[12:30] <Kmos> i'm checking the old bugs with fix commited, when Launchpad doesn't check the changelog for LP: #number
[12:30] <cjwatson> Kmos: no; https://launchpad.net/~kamion/+participation
[12:31] <cjwatson> I manage the kernel team, but that's different :)
[12:31] <Kmos> :-)
[12:42] <Nafallo> https://www.der-winnie.de/?p=94 <-- will that affect us?
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Nafallo: They're not installed by default, but... hm...
[12:44] <Nafallo> what might need to add some disclamer on install as we do with codecs maybe :-/
[12:44] <persia> I don't think we're any more affected than we are for not labeling our distribution of quake2 in accordance with the German game distribution laws, although the german archive may be on both counts.
[12:49] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: they need shells in other countries now :-)
[12:50] <ccm> well yes
[12:50] <ccm> that sucks
[12:50] <ccm> i swear you
[12:50] <ccm> i am afraid of using nmap
[12:50] <pygi> hey sivang
[12:50] <ccm> imagine that one
[12:51] <sivang> hey pygi
[01:08] <giftnudel> hey sivang, how are you?
[01:08] <sivang> giftnudel: Martin! I'm fine, thanks, and you?
[01:08] <giftnudel> me too
[01:11] <sivang> hmm, don't we have an ltdp package on the feisty repos? odd
[01:14] <sivang> and it seems to be available from debian unstable
[01:26] <ijuz__> ccm: the usage is no problem
[02:07] <yveslu> anyone knows if there is a feisty package for the new intel-xorg driver (version 2.1.0) (http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-announce/2007-July/000318.html) ?
[03:01] <Nafallo> damn this is kewl!
[03:02] <Nafallo> I just looked at Dell Support for my new laptop and they list Ubuntu Desktop 7.04 in the list of OS :-)
[03:21] <tepsipakki> Nafallo: in europe?
[03:22] <ijuz__> Nafallo: so it isn't a new santa rosa model?
[03:22] <Nafallo> tepsipakki: Swedish pages let me choose Ubuntu on the supportpages :-)
[03:22] <Nafallo> ijuz__: it is
[03:22] <Nafallo> D630
[03:23] <ijuz__> Nafallo: on my D830 it's not so simple, i'm just trying gutsy, but sounds doesn't work at the moment (with feisty it worked)
[03:24] <ijuz__> (but intel 2.1 is required, otherwise the screen is fuzzy and opengl crashes the box)
[03:24] <Nafallo> ijuz__: I know who to scream at if it doesn't work for me with gutsy :-)
[03:25] <ijuz__> when you are bored... you could try gutsy daily, the alternate cd from yesterday just goes black...  i think that is when it tries to detect the screen
[03:25] <Hobbsee> the gutsy dailies arent worth running
[03:26] <Nafallo> ijuz__: I'll wait for the laptop, install the latest Tribe and updates to current.
[03:27] <tepsipakki> Nafallo: ok sweet, couldn't find the equivalent on the finnish pages though.. it'll come for sure
[03:28] <Nafallo> tepsipakki: sure will :-)
[03:59] <Kano> hi, today's desktop images still have old packages. i thought someone fixed it?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> not yet
[04:00] <Hobbsee> try back in a week or so
[04:00] <Hobbsee> besides, it's a saturday
[04:01] <Hobbsee> in fact, a week and a half, probably
[04:01] <Kano> is there the code available to create those snapshots
[04:01] <Hobbsee> the fact is, those packages arent all installable, which is why the livefs fails to build
[04:01] <Hobbsee> so even if you create one locally, it'll still fail
[04:02] <Kano> well can i get the code to create
[04:02] <persia> Kano: More generally, there's a lot of library transitions underway, which makes the results not very useful, even if they worked today.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> the code to build the livefs?  it's probably somewhere.  in fact, debian will have code for it published somewhere.
[04:03] <Kano> i would like to have it for aufs
[04:04] <Hobbsee> i dont know exactly where it is
[04:04] <Kano> funnyly when i backport your mesa 7 on etch along with some backported sid xserver-xorg+intel i can use 3d fine
[04:05] <Kano> (testing intel g33)
[04:06] <Kano> i thought you had a fallback included but currently with your live cd X does not start at all, with a (broken) dist-upgrade i can use 2d but not 3d
[04:06] <Kano> wasn't a vesa fallback somewhere before?
[04:07] <Kano> or does it rely on autodetection
[04:09] <Kano> when you know about the xserver detection (i wrote my own giving the same result then the debian standard one just faster)
[04:10] <Kano> then you find in the pci.lst the defaults
[04:10] <ijuz__> probably vesa doesn't work on the g33 gfx chip
[04:10] <Kano> grep ffffffff /lib/discover/pci.lst
[04:10] <Kano> sure it does
[04:11] <Kano> but the defalt for intel is i810
[04:11] <Kano> or intel, does not matter
[04:11] <Kano> that will work with intel 2.1.0 driver
[04:12] <Kano> but in case that default does not work (as it does not with 2.0.0) you get no X at all
[04:13] <Kano> i see no big problem for intel as soon as you can install a new driver, but the same problem is for nv just more dramtically
[04:13] <Kano> new nvidia cards work with nvidia binary just fine, but when you force nv then the system even locks
[04:15] <Kano> my next live cd can install nvidia or fglrx drivers on the fly because of that reason
[04:16] <Kano> when i have the live code i may add that feature too on these kind of cds
[04:32] <Kano> is there already a way to execute external scripts?
[04:32] <Kano> like stored on hd, usb stick or whatever
[04:33] <Hobbsee> bryce: you're clearly not good with spelling names, if you spelt *two* of your sponsors wrong
[04:43] <bryce> Hobbsee, rats...
[04:44] <Hobbsee> bryce: heh
[05:03] <Nafallo> woha! Tribe 3 is to be released the day before my new lappy arrives :-)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124587 doesnt look good
[05:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124587 in Ubuntu "Missing package or incorrect package in the Repositories" [Undecided,New]
[05:29] <sn0> Hobbsee it seems its pointing to linux-libc-dev_2.6.20-16.28_i386.deb where linux-libc-dev_2.6.20-16.29_i386.deb is there instead, i wonder have they upgraded to the latest linux-image before installing build-essential
[05:29] <Hobbsee> i've already seen one of them today
[05:29] <geser> linux-source-2.6.20 | 2.6.20-16.29 | feisty-security | source, all
[05:32] <geser> I guess that it's an outdated package lists
[05:33] <Hobbsee> the fact that there's been 2 of them...
[05:34] <Hobbsee> it's not in new...
[05:37] <geser> I've checked the Packages.gz on for feisty-security and -16.29 is referenced there
[05:56] <AlinuxOS> doko, ping
[11:24] <Nafallo> will Dells internal WWAN-thingies be included in the deal with them so that it might even work if I order one? :-)
[11:26] <ijuz__> fast umts would be cool


[09:56] <cjwatson> You get impressively confusing errors if you accidentally declare a field as allow_none=False, default=None
[09:57] <cjwatson> I mean, "NoneError: None isn't acceptable as a value" which is fair enough, but had to disable C extensions to figure out which column was involved ...
[09:58] <cjwatson> Could anyone review https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380593 and https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380594 please?
[09:58] <cjwatson> And maybe https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380616 to remove some old bzr stuff we no longer need to carry around
[09:59] <cjwatson> wgrant: Is https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380059 possibly something you need to look at?  Removes the XPI importer, involved some moderately involved test rearrangements as a preliminary step
[10:01] <cjwatson> Also also, https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380475 is a simple bug-fix
[10:02] <wgrant> cjwatson: I don't necessarily think so, unless you do
[10:04] <cjwatson> OK, will see if I can find a vic^Wvolunteer
[10:04] <cjwatson> Translations is in a slightly weird position where changes aren't generally DB or security or anything like that but it's also the main bit that not even I know
[10:42] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380594 (thanks ilasc for the review) was sort of amusing; I don't think I've ever seen pre-2.2 compat in the wild before
[10:43] <ilasc> :)
[10:43] <cjwatson> Trying to remember whether I started learning Python at 2.3 or 2.4.  I think it must have been 2.3 - I vaguely recall having to write compatibility code for set not being in the stdlib yet
[10:44] <cjwatson> Ah yes, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults/+publishinghistory?batch=75&direction=backwards&start=150 says warty had 2.3
[10:45] <cjwatson> (The dates are kind of lies there - even if you expand the bottom row, it only says 2005-12-20, which I presume was when warty was first imported into Launchpad; the first few Ubuntu releases ran on Debian's archive management code instead)
[10:48] <StevenK> Oh wow, I'd forgotten about that
[10:48] <StevenK> (First Python version for me was 1.5)
[10:49] <cjwatson> Ah yeah, you were writing linda back then weren't you?
[10:51] <StevenK> Yup
[10:51] <StevenK> We didn't even have list comprehensions!
[10:53] <cjwatson> uphill, both ways, in the snow
[10:53] <StevenK> You, off my lawn :-P
[12:26] <cjwatson> Could I have a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad-mojo-specs/+git/launchpad-mojo-specs/+merge/380678 to fix a CI failure please?
[12:26] <cjwatson> For the YAML-lovers among you
[12:29] <ilasc> :-)
[12:29] <ilasc> on it
[15:28] <cjwatson> pappacena: I think you possibly forgot to push your allocation to lp:~launchpad/+junk/dbpatches ?
[15:28] <cjwatson> (for https://code.launchpad.net/~pappacena/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380254)
[15:31] <pappacena> Ah, sadly, yes. I forgot. I am out for lunch now. I will do it as soon as I get back
[15:37] <cjwatson> np, just wanted to make sure it wasn't forgotten
[17:28] <pappacena> Commited the allocation, cjwatson
[17:28] <pappacena> (Or do we usually make MP for this too?)
[17:30] <cjwatson> No, just commit
[17:31] <cjwatson> Upgrading dogfood for your proxy change now.  I might just about have time to help with a bit of QA there ...
[17:31] <pappacena> Ok! Thanks!
[17:49] <cjwatson> pappacena: https://dogfood.launchpadlibrarian.net/412902206/mirrors.edge.kernel.org-archive-probe-logfile.txt looks good; lots of 404s but it's a partial mirror (and dogfood's DB is behind production, which also confounds things a bit)
[17:50] <cjwatson> pappacena: https://dogfood.launchpadlibrarian.net/412902207/mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au-release-probe-logfile.txt looks odd.  Why is it apparently trying to talk to port 80?
[17:50] <pappacena> uhm... really strange
[17:52] <pappacena> let me see if I can find something on the code. I don't remember seeing any hardcoded port anywhere (the tests we have even open random ports for testing...)
[17:53] <cjwatson> Maybe something to do with _parse defaulting to 80?
[17:53] <cjwatson> I haven't worked out the relevant code paths though, will leave it to you
[17:54] <pappacena> " _parse defaulting to 80?" it could be... I'm checking
[18:02] <pappacena> Right, so for HTTPS we don't use _parse when doing the request (since treq receives the unparsed URL), but to show the error message we use parse. That's why it's showing port 80. I'll submit a MP to properly set the default port on _parse to 443 if scheme is https.
[18:02] <pappacena> And it failed because this server doesn't seem to support TLS v1.1; only 1.2 and 1.3
[18:02] <cjwatson> Aha
[18:02] <cjwatson> Is that due to old OpenSSL?
[18:03] <cjwatson> (I mean, the fact that we're demanding 1.1)
[18:03] <cjwatson> Or is it more in our control?  We don't want to be discouraging 1.2+
[18:04] <pappacena> No specific reason for using 1.1... I neede to explicitly set the version, and I assumed the protocol would be backward compatible, but it seems that I'm wrong...
[18:04] <cjwatson> Oh, I'd missed that you set it explicitly
[18:05] <cjwatson> I think we should at least say 1.2, yes
[18:05] <pappacena> Yep... I set it in a kind of hacky way, because Twisted has a kind of strange interface for the HTTPS policy. It's missing a method in the default "browser-like" policy, apparently...
[18:05] <pappacena> `contextFactory.getContext = lambda: Context(TLSv1_1_METHOD)`
[18:06] <cjwatson> Yeah, I'm not totally familiar with that stuff
[18:06] <pappacena> Me neither... I was fixing one exception at a time, until it eventually worked fine... :-(
[18:07] <cjwatson> :-)
[18:07] <pappacena> I'll submit a MP upgrading this context to version 1.2 and "calculating" the port on _parse depending on the scheme in half an hour. I need to pick my daughter at school now.
[18:08] <cjwatson> Thanks.  No great rush, I'm about to finish for the day
[18:08] <cjwatson> This looks like a good improvement so far
[18:08] <pappacena> Well, at least is mostly working (and what is not working seems to be easily fixable) :-)
[18:09] <cjwatson> Yep
[18:09] <cjwatson> Haven't had time for the change-override-log re-reviews today as too much production debugging, but I have them open
[18:09] <pappacena> No problem. I still need to fix the copied_from_archive with the previous feedbacks.
[18:35]  * cjwatson EODs, I'm not going to make significant progress on Built-Using at this point
[18:36] <cjwatson> Have a good weekend
[18:37] <SpecialK|Canon> Take care!
[18:53] <pappacena> Have a good weekend!


[12:55] <Amis> Hello!
[12:56] <Amis> What is the best way to deal with forgotten bug-fix props on a commit? (beside the obvious "don't forget to add them")
[13:27] <vila> Amis: there are several other options (beside the ovious ;): 1) bzr uncommit ; bzr commit --fixes... ; 2) bzr commit --unchanged --fixes...
[13:28] <vila> Amis: a more complex one would be to branch from the commit where you forgot --fixes; use --fixes --unchanged there, merge the result where it makes sense
[14:19] <Amis> I see, thanks
[21:06] <mekeor> what does this line mean while 'cloning' a repo with bzr?: "136334kB    52kB/s \ Revisionen herunterladen:Inserting stream:Estimate 676760/1277014" (yes, it's german.)
[21:07] <mekeor> i mean, what does the first, the second, third and forth/last number mean? O.o
[21:07] <mekeor> well, in particular, the first number.
[21:08] <jelmer> the first number is the total amount of data transferred
[21:09] <mekeor> okay. the second one is the speed? and the last two?
[21:10] <mekeor> do they show me how far the download proceed?
[21:10] <jelmer> the last two are some indicator of the progress
[21:11] <jelmer> the number of records retrieved so far and the *current* estimate of the total number of records to fetch, I believe
[21:11] <jelmer> the second one often changes during the fetch
[21:11] <mekeor> yep :) i see :) thanks :)


[23:07] <ponchale> Hi people someone connected?
[23:08] <ponchale> I have one question for the developers ok Ukui


[05:57] <sudeep_> hi all, please help me, I am using 11.04, yesterday i forcefully shutdown ubuntu, when i rebooterd, then grub shows the option for windows and ubuntu , when i select ubuntu a cursor blinks for 10 seconds and then a black screen turns up


 Stable? Beta? Dev?
[01:08] <ultrixx> stable i guess
[01:08] <TheFakeazneD525> go to chrome://version in chrome
[01:09] <ultrixx> 37.0.2062.120 (Offizieller Build 281580)
[01:09] <ultrixx> Flash	<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:09] <TheFakeazneD525> and flash is enabled?
[01:09] <ultrixx> yes
[01:10] <TheFakeazneD525> ultrixx: is this just a specific video or all videos
[01:10] <ultrixx> but when i play videos it seems to use html5 player
[01:10] <ultrixx> all
[01:11] <TheFakeazneD525> hmm, its playing for me in the HTML5 player
[01:11] <ultrixx> weird: it works again
[01:11] <ultrixx> it didn't work for at least 30 min
[01:11] <ultrixx> sorry folks, i didn't intent to write bs
[01:12] <TheFakeazneD525> no prob
[01:13] <ultrixx> i guess i know why. i had problems with my usb sound card and 5 minutes ago i plugged it off and on again. maybe the problem was realated to the sound card not working properly
[01:13] <ultrixx> interestingly firefox played back videos, chrome didn't
[01:14] <ultrixx> sorry again for bothering you
[01:15] <ultrixx> usb isn't the most reliable technology
[01:25] <Torededer> Hey can someone help me install light dm on kde?
[01:40] <TheFakeazneD525> Its installed by defa-
[01:40] <TheFakeazneD525> oh
[06:52] <guest0kNhfL> HOLA
[06:55] <guest0kNhfL> Quien me lee,saludos desde Mexico
[06:56] <guest0kNhfL> Saludos
[06:57] <lordievader> !mexico | guest0kNhfL
[06:57] <lordievader> !spanish | guest0kNhfL
[06:58] <guest0kNhfL> Hello
[06:58] <guest0kNhfL> Hello lordievader
[07:02] <lordievader> o/
[07:06] <snele> can anyone confirm this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1369673
[07:06] <snele> ?
[07:19] <cthyd> hi
[07:19] <dpr> hi
[07:19] <dpr> any hadoop groups plz
[07:20] <deep> hello
[07:21] <deep> how to chat in Hadoop group
[07:21] <deep> ??????
[07:21] <deep> help needed
[07:21] <deep> help plzzzzzzzzzz
[07:22] <lordievader> deep: This channel is for Kubuntu support only. Please see the alis service for other channels.
[09:57] <hans_> hi guys
[09:57] <hans_> how can i automount my Nas
[10:14] <hateball> !mount
[10:15] <hateball> hans_: depends on what you intend to acheive, and what protocol the NAS uses
[10:25] <deep> How to write a mapreduce proram in R
[10:53] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[11:39] <snele> can anyone confirm this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1369673
[11:39] <snele> ?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> !bug 1369673
[11:41] <BluesKaj> yup, it's official , snele
[11:42] <snele> BluesKaj: please click on "affects me" then :)
[11:42] <BluesKaj> that would be wrong since I run 14.10
[11:43] <snele> it nasty bug, generic file dialog which now pops up is terrible and very user unfriendly
[11:43] <snele> BluesKaj: ah ok i thought you run 14.04
[11:45] <BluesKaj> snele, sorry to hear that
[11:58] <alvin> What is, in UEFI, the diference between 'ubuntu' and 'ubuntu boot manager'
[12:01] <BluesKaj> alvin, is it listed in uefi?
[12:01] <alvin> BluesKaj: Yes
[12:01] <BluesKaj> are you dual booting with windows?
[12:03] <alvin> No, but it could be some leftover from a previous installation?
[12:03] <alvin> Both options just give me the usual grub menu
[12:06] <BluesKaj> if you had W8 on your pc maybe a couple of GPT partitions are left over and renamed
[12:06] <BluesKaj> but if grub works then you should be ok
[12:07] <alvin> No, this machine never had any Windows on it.
[12:07] <alvin> Yes, it works. I might try to remove the 'ubuntu boot manager' option later.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> how old is the pc?
[12:09] <alvin> Pretty recent. This year. I moved the drive from my previous pc (also no Windows). But I let the Kubuntu installer 'have the whole drive'. Maybe I should have erased it first.
[12:10] <alvin> Encrypted LVM... Kubuntu does it better than other distributions, but still not perfect. You have to shrink the root afterwards and that's not very newbie-friendly. (After all, why use LVM if you're going to fill the whole drive with one volume anyway?)
[12:12] <BluesKaj> alvin, true
[12:12] <BluesKaj> and if you're just going to use 3 partitions
[12:44] <alvin> Looks nice. I'm trying plasma 5.
[12:45] <alvin> System settings have improved
[12:45] <alvin> Language too, but not too much. It is still necessary to set locales manually.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> alvin, heh, good luck :)
[12:45] <alvin> NTP settings from within KDE does not work. Mabye the systemd rumours are true.
[12:46] <BluesKaj> any other themes that work besides breeze
[12:46] <alvin> and Plasma has no intention of remembering the screen edge for the default panel.
[12:46] <alvin> Didn't try that yet.
[12:47] <alvin> No, I can select other themes, but 'Apply' is greyed out
[12:47] <alvin> O, wait
[12:47] <alvin> I was selecting in the 'details' window
[12:48] <alvin> Ok, it is possible to change the theme, but readability suffers.
[12:49] <alvin> Ah, and the font preview is completely broken. Not a single character can be seen.
[12:58] <alvin> 1/3 of the time, after selecting 'ubuntu' in grub, the system just hangs and does not boot. I blame systemd
[12:59] <alvin> blank screen. Reboot. Everything works
[13:00] <alvin> Also, the grub timeout is gone. It just sits there, without counting down. The timeout is set to 10 seconds in /etc/default/grub
[13:00] <shadeslayer> if you're using 14.10 + systemd things are not supported
[13:01] <shadeslayer> because no one runs it by default
[13:03] <alvin> What is not supported exactly?
[13:13] <alvin> I'm itching to report bugs, but that's not possible yet I suppose?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> probly get buried in the list :)
[13:28] <krissi> anyone know how to fix this error "the power management module cannot be found" in kde 5 neon ?
[13:28] <lordievader> alvin: Why wouldn't it be possible?
[13:28] <yofel> alvin: if you mean reporting systemd related bugs, that is appreciated even now. Please add the 'systemd-boot' tag though
[13:28] <alvin> lordievader: It's a development version
[13:29] <alvin> Aha, good to know.
[13:29] <lordievader> alvin: For those bug reports are especially usefull. Shows what is broken.
[13:29] <yofel> alvin: current list on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=systemd-boot
[13:29] <alvin> This one is particulary difficult though. After grub there's only the blank screen and the monitors that shut off. On reboot, everything works again. Once in a while, I get the blank screen again.
[13:31] <alvin> Nice list
[13:31] <alvin> NFS isn't working? Ouch.
[13:32] <lordievader> alvin: Are you on Utopic?
[13:33] <alvin> lordievader: Yes
[13:33] <lordievader> alvin: You know Utopic support is in #ubuntu+1 right?
[13:34] <alvin> lordievader: Oh, sorry. I didn't. Thought plasma5 was not supported by Canonical
[13:35] <lordievader> alvin: Err, I suppose support for plasma5 is either here or in #project-neon. It was more in regard to your NFS statement, as that has to do with the base system.
[13:36] <alvin> True
[13:36] <alvin> But it just can't work according to that bug. I tried installing nfs-utils, but it's masked
[13:37] <alvin> Worries for tomorrow. I have to shutdown the system here.
[17:26] <mzaza> I was using Ubuntu on my i5 with 5400rpm HDD and 12GB of RAM and I was feeling the startup was a bit of pain. So I was thinking in a switch I switched to Elementary OS, it's super fast. But doesn't go well with my taste, so I was thinking in trying Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 5, I heared QT5 is way faster than before. Is there noticable speed difference in comparison with Unity?
[17:30] <Vimar> Hi
[17:31] <lordievader> o/
[18:44] <malcolm> might as well ask what I'd originally had come for: adb (adb-tools) on kubuntu 14 64bit, I think I have the udev rule right, but adb devices doesn't see mine. don't have the sdk, would prefer minimal setup just adb and what it needs
[18:45] <malcolm> usually adb comes with sdk, the latter sets up a folder of its own and changes the $PATH variable when running
[18:46] <malcolm> adb-tools just puts adb in /usr/bin
[18:47] <malcolm> from what I've read, adb also has a file like usb_conf.ini or similar with the vendor id's
[18:47] <malcolm> any thoughts?
[18:48] <genii> malcolm: Is your Andoid device set to usb debug mode when connected?
[18:49] <malcolm> yes
[18:49] <malcolm> have tried both, storage and debug
[18:49] <malcolm> lsusb sees it
[18:49] <genii> Should be debug
[18:49] <malcolm> I know
[18:50] <malcolm> worked on win7 with full sdk, but I don't want that heavy package
[18:51] <genii> malcolm: Might want to try: sudo update-usbids   to make sure that udev etcetera has the most current list of usb things
[18:54] <malcolm> following a forum post, I had walked the device attributes and set a different ownership of device when plugged to see if my udev rule was triggered
[20:15] <Torededer> Can someone tell me how to get a new window manger? mine is not working properly, but i cant tell if its just my monitor being weird.
[20:17] <genii> That was an oddly phrased question
[20:20] <lordievader> Torededer: Could you rephrase your question?
[20:24] <Torededer> lordievader hey! havent seen you in a while! but any way. my close, minimize and maximize buttons arent at the top of the window and i cant drag my windows around.
[20:25] <Torededer> lordievader im pretty sure its the window or display manager
[20:44] <rberg_> in a pinch you could hit atl-F2 and run kwin --replace
[20:58] <daum> hey guys i just upgrade to chromium 37 the fonts are realyl weird no...they aren't blurry as much completely different from 36, any ideas?
[21:01] <TheFakeazneD525> new font renderererer
[21:01] <Torededer> lordievader
[21:01] <Torededer> ?
[21:02] <TheFakeazneD525> Torededer: run kwin --replace
[21:02] <daum> TheFakeazneD525, do i need to install soemthing for that?
[21:03] <lordievader> Torededer: Coul you send a screenshot?
[21:04] <lordievader> Could*
[21:05] <Torededer> lordievader i dot think i cant
[21:05] <Torededer> lol fail
[21:05] <Torededer> lordievader i dont think i can
[21:06] <daum> how can i downgrade my chromium version if i can't get the font fixed in 37?
[21:06] <lordievader> !screenshot | Torededer
[21:07] <Torededer> TheFal eazneD525 i did that just now and now my kickoff wont open :\
[21:07] <lordievader> Torededer: Do you still have access to the krunner?
[21:07] <lordievader> Torededer: alt + f2
[21:08] <TheFakeazneD525> daum: nah
[21:08] <TheFakeazneD525> er wait
[21:08] <Torededer> lordie vader how do i know if it did anything because i just pushed alt f2 but nothing happened
[21:08] <TheFakeazneD525> daum: there might be a setting in chrome://flags
[21:08] <lordievader> Torededer: Hmm, did you do anything major that might be the cause?
[21:09] <Torededer> the fal eazne told me to type in kwin --replace
[21:09] <Torededer> lordievader
[21:09] <lordievader> Torededer: Is the state of plasma the same?
[21:10] <Torededer> lordievader what do you mean? the kickoff is still there and my window is still stupid
[21:10] <Torededer> lordievader but kickoff  wont start
[21:11] <lordievader> Torededer: Can you open a konsole?
[21:11] <daum> TheFakeazneD525, hm i don't se anything?
[21:11] <daum> is there an easy way to downgrade it
[21:12] <TheFakeazneD525> daum: well you could always get a package from the archive for an earlier ubuntu
[21:12] <Torededer> lordievader i can switch to a different tty like ctrl-alt-f1
[21:12] <TheFakeazneD525> but then you open yourself to security risks fixed by the version installed
[21:13] <lordievader> Torededer: Not really what I ment. If you tail your ~/.xsession-errors file do you see a lot of errors?
[21:13] <daum> hah - well does the font render fine for you in 37?  It looks like others have reported it, not a ton but a decent amount...it just kills my eyes and only been on it for ~40 min
[21:13] <Torededer> lordievader should i restart my computer?
[21:14] <Torededer> lordievader i saw in the place where i wrote kwin replace there is Lots of errors
[21:14] <lordievader> Torededer: Could you pastebin those?
[21:15] <Torededer> lordievader im a noob how do i do that ?
[21:15] <Torededer> #derp
[21:15] <lordievader> !paste | Torededer
[21:16] <Torededer> lordievader no i cant, i am in a tty, not a konsole
[21:16] <Torededer> lordie wait
[21:17] <Torededer> lordievader i cannot because i cant get to my dolphin manager to get to the files
[21:18] <lordievader> Torededer: From your tty: sudo apt-get install pastebinit&&tail -n 100 ~/.xsession-errors|pastebinit
[21:18] <lordievader> I'll be back in a bit.
[21:22] <Torededer> hang on i will restart my computer and just use dolphin
[21:33] <Torededer> lordievader how do i tail my x sessio  files?
[21:33] <Torededer> *session
[21:39] <lordievader> Torededer: Run the command I gave you ;)
[21:39] <lordievader> Torededer: From your tty: sudo apt-get install pastebinit&&tail -n 100 ~/.xsession-errors|pastebinit
[21:40] <Torededer> it said there was an error or something with "pastebin"
[21:42] <lordievader> Torededer: Could you elaborate?
[21:44] <Torededer> lordievader hang on lordie im trying the command as 2 separate things, so w/o the &&
[21:47] <Torededer> lordievader pastebin installed but i cant do anything with it because xsession-errors isnt a directory
[21:49] <lordievader> Torededer: The command is "tail -n 100 ~/.xsession-errors|pastebinit" did you literally copy that?
[21:50] <Torededer> lordievader i cant copy n paste stuff but i typed that except insteas of ~ and | it has different symbols
[21:52] <lordievader> Torededer: Please type the command exactly as I gave it to you.
[21:53] <Torededer> i cant i cant make the | or the ~ it comes out as different symbols
[21:53] <lordievader> Torededer: That is the reason you get errors though ;)
[21:54] <Torededer> then it isnt my fault lol
[21:54] <Torededer> lordievader wait im gonna try this in konsole and see if i get different results
[21:57] <Torededer> lordievader pastebinithttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8360795/ tada
[21:58] <valorie> Torededer: you can copy/paste with shift+control+V I think
[21:58] <lordievader> Err, is that all?
[22:01] <Torededer> lordievader idk, i didnt look at it yet
[22:01] <lordievader> Anyhow I'm going to bed. I'll be here again tomorrow, Torededer, if you need further assistance.
[22:01] <Torededer> awww.... ok see ya
[23:21] <lolz> hi can I change brightness editing that file? /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/backlight/acpi_video0/actual_brightness
[23:41] <shadeslayer> lolz: yes, but I think /sys/class/backlight would be better
[23:45] <lolz> shadeslayer: I have here links acpi_video0 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/backlight/acpi_video0 and intel_backlight -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0/card0-LVDS-1/intel_backlight
[23:45] <shadeslayer> yeah that's fine
[23:45] <shadeslayer> anyway off to sleep I am
[23:45] <shadeslayer> night
[23:46] <lolz> but they are readable only
[23:46] <lolz> shadeslayer: ^