[12:15] <raylu> gedit...but you should consider #ubuntu
[12:15] <ARM9> I don't want kubutu
[12:15] <ARM9> oh
[12:15] <stdin> gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:15] <ARM9> lol sorry
[12:15] <runlevelten> change Option "Composite" "Disable" to Option "Composite" "Enable"
[12:16] <persen__> in kubuntu, what is the equivalent of, System->Administration->Login Screen Setup (ubuntu)
[12:16] <runlevelten> funny, I was just about to mention composite after looking at this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136015
[12:16] <runlevelten> it was the only thing weird I could see about the working T2e setup there
[12:17] <raylu> alt+f1 > system settings > advanced > login manager
[12:17] <runlevelten> alt F2 kcontrol -> sys admin -> login manager
[12:20] <persen__> tnx
[12:22] <Gerrit> Xorg is using all the CPU. I restarted it but it still does. I've experienced it before and rebooting solved the problem, but is there a step 'less' than I can try?
[12:23] <tapas> is any other process eating coniderable amount of cpu?
[12:23] <tapas> like > 5%?
[12:27] <vamp898> !deutsch
[12:27] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:31] <ARM9> Hey I need help restoring my installation as it was before I installed kubuntu-desktop (autoremove doesn't seem to do it all).
[12:31] <ARM9> Any online docs?
[12:32] <jhutchins> ARM9: They'd probably know in ubuntu.
[12:32] <ARM9> Ok.
[12:32] <facugaich> ARM9: there are a bunch of topics about it in ubuntu's forums, let me search
[12:32] <jhutchins> ARM9: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[12:33] <ARM9> Ah thanks.
[12:34] <ARM9> jhutschins: That'll remove a lot of the standard things I had on ubuntu it seems. :S
[12:35] <ARM9> (even tho it has install ubuntu-desktop at the end, but that thinks I have the latest update right?)
[12:35] <keitare> can anyone help me with getting my wifi card to work
[12:35] <keitare> can anyone help me with getting my wifi card to work
[12:36] <Jemidon> hi, can anyone help me with getting my DVD ROM drive to read PC-DVD ROM cds
[12:38] <runlevelten> Can anyone suggest a way to make mosquitos die in agony?
[12:38] <runlevelten> *preferably in a non-interactive way
[12:38] <vzduch> lol
[12:39] <Jemidon> runlevelten: i've found that spraying them with Lysol is a fun way to watch them die
[12:39] <Jemidon> :->
[12:41] <Sanne> that's cruel and not funny
[12:42] <Jemidon> i find it quite charitable toward the species known as mosquitos, i could kill them with bug spray, but lysol prolongs their death
[12:43] <Jemidon> or if you want to get adventureous (sp) you could get a torch and spray the lysol at them...although i'd suggest being in open quarters
[12:43] <Jemidon> :->
[12:43] <Sanne> I really don't think this is the right place to discuss the torturing of animals.
[12:45] <Jemidon> ok, i'll go join the PETA forums and discuss the torture of insects :-)
[12:47] <ARM9> Shit, it didn't work... I pressed yes when it asked if I wanted to delete KDM daemon (which made it go into fault secure mode)
[12:47] <ARM9> Send the link again so I wont do the same misstake..
[12:47] <Jemidon> since we're no longer discussing the torture of animals...anyone know how to make my dvd rom read the contents of a PC-DVD?
[12:47] <ARM9> eh nvm I got it
[12:49] <runlevelten> wot's lysol?
[12:49] <ARM9> Now I'm fixing this...
[12:50] <zipper> if i have some files in a dir, how do i easily find the file that is the newest?
[12:50] <Jemidon> Lysol is a disinfectant
[12:51] <runlevelten> Sanne: mosquitos are not animals, they are constantly killing millions of children with the diseases they spread, the world would be much better off if they were permanently eradicated :P
[12:51] <Sanne> zipper: I just use konqueror, sort by modified date. I guess you could use 'find' on the command line too.
[12:52] <runlevelten> Anyway: does anyone know of a kubuntu build of the K Menu with the finder in it?
[12:53] <raylu> what finder?
[12:53] <raylu> and you mean a kde build
[12:54] <Sanne> runlevelten: mosquitos are life. If you take it, it's gone. I don't think they're spreading disease conciously.  Some people have weird pro-animal agenda. That's not on-topic at all.
[12:54] <zipper> Sanne, hmm okay, thx
[12:55] <runlevelten> raylu: the find as you type text field
[12:55] <raylu> like vista's start menu?
[12:55] <runlevelten> No idea, I've never touched Vista.
[12:55] <Sanne> runlevelten: as much on topic as making those jokes about killing mosquitos in the first place. But I had my say, I'll shut up now about it.
[12:55] <runlevelten> Sanne: thank goodness
[12:56] <Sanne> runlevelten: that was unnecessary
[12:56] <raylu> show me something about this finder, please?
[12:56] <runlevelten> raylu: not the big massive kmenu rewrite, the normal kmenu but with the find as you type text field in it
[12:56] <raylu> right..but i've never seen a find as you type
[12:56] <raylu> except for katapult
[12:56] <runlevelten> an opensuse patch
[12:56] <raylu> so could you link me to something (screenshot) of it?
[12:57] <runlevelten> katapault is the alt-f2 dialog reskinned, but the kmenu finder... hang on I'll find a screenie :)
[12:57] <raylu> lol...its a little more than that reskinned...
[12:59] <runlevelten> Really? Cool, I must have another look at it, because I haven't found anything it does that the alt f2 dialog doesn't do yet
[12:59] <runlevelten> must have missed stuff =)
[01:02] <mo0osah> if i use live cd to make ubuntu partition smaller and windows partition bigger would it mess up my boot loader?
[01:02] <raylu> no
[01:03] <raylu> your boot loader references partition numbers
[01:03] <raylu> not cylinder numbers
[01:05] <runlevelten> Aha - found one: http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/3674/part22wl.jpg
[01:05] <pchilds> I finally got my soundblaster live card to play all channels instead of just the two of my speaker setup. I am loving it. Woohoo. Now this is sound the way it should be.
[01:05] <runlevelten> It is extremely cool - very useful for work, very quick and intuitive
[01:05] <fred1599> bonjour
[01:06] <runlevelten> hi fred1599
[01:06] <fred1599> :)
[01:06] <fred1599> hi
[01:06] <fred1599> i am in difficult runlevelten
[01:07] <runlevelten> That was the sweet spot for the K Menu.  Can you see the text field?
[01:08] <fred1599> i am with kubuntu 7.04
[01:08] <runlevelten> that does instant find like the amarok thing, it finds multiple menus, and it works for speculative searches - ie if you want all apps with "gl" in the name of the program, or the menu entry
[01:09] <runlevelten> using the k menu without it afterwards is almost painful, heh
[01:09] <fred1599> R245 is no compatible with linux
[01:10] <fred1599> but...
[01:10] <fred1599> perhaps a solution?
[01:10] <runlevelten> I have a stylus rx425 which works with it
[01:10] <runlevelten> stylus photo*
[01:10] <fred1599> yes
[01:10] <raylu> runlevelten, yes, but how do i get it? is it kde4-only?
[01:10] <raylu> (and that is the vista one, btw :P)
[01:11] <runlevelten> It's a Novell patch I believe
[01:11] <runlevelten> not sure if it got merged
[01:11] <fred1599> ??? patch novell
[01:11] <pchilds> I want to know what is the best route for data encryption or password protecting folders in ubuntu?
[01:12] <runlevelten> fred1599: you need to find the appropriate drivers - my epson stylus photo is running on SuSE happily but I had to copy across the cups drivers for ubuntu as they weren't included
[01:12] <persen__> !vpn
[01:12] <ubotu> From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[01:13] <vzduch> openSUSE has a package 'manufacturer-ppds' (I think it's called that).. perhaps you could alien it
[01:14] <persen__> Why is the title "Gaming VPN Using PPTPD" ?? Has it something with playing games?
[01:14] <persen__> nvm
[01:14] <persen__> !vnc
[01:14] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[01:14] <persen__> !FreeNX
[01:14] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[01:15] <runlevelten> Is anyone aware of how we enable the nice swish text completion in the run dialog on kubuntu?
[01:15] <runlevelten> at the moment I just get this win98-like dropdown thing.
[01:16] <runlevelten> Oh, and the kinfocenter parts don't all work either. :\
[01:17] <raylu> o.0
[01:17] <runlevelten> Man, there's a lot of work to be done to get this KDE up to scratch with other distros.
[01:17] <raylu> that'd be nice
[01:17] <raylu> you mean with other managers?
[01:18] <runlevelten> Oh well, I guess I'd better get a build environment set up and chalk in some time to do it myself ^^
[01:18] <runlevelten> All the work is done, as other distros have it, so instead of moaning about it, I should fix it, heh
[01:19] <runlevelten> trouble is, the voice from the dark side says "don't do all that, just install another distro and get on with work", heh
[01:20] <raylu> o.0?
[01:20] <raylu> we're using an outdated kde?
[01:21] <runlevelten> raylu: Nah, just missing some of the better patches
[01:21] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> raylu: 3.5.7 is latest in the 3.x line. Latest Kubuntu KDE, outside of adding the special repo, is 3.5.6.
[01:22] <raylu> is .7 a bugfix update?
[01:22] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> raylu: no idea.
[01:22] <Jemidon> Hi, can anyone help me get The Sims 2 installed under Wine?
[01:23] <runlevelten> still, this is very snappy compared to KDE on openSuSE
[01:23] <runlevelten> noticeably so
[01:24] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Jemidon: might be best to ask in #winehq
[01:24] <Jemidon> WhtWolfTeraDyne: Thanks, i'm new to IRC
[01:24] <runlevelten> Jemidon: You have very little chance of success
[01:25] <runlevelten> if not *no* chance of success at this point
[01:26] <bad3r> hi
[01:26] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> bad3r: hi
[01:27] <runlevelten> hello bad3r
[01:27] <bad3r> im  good :|
[01:27] <bad3r> and you runlevelten
[01:28] <runlevelten> well.
[01:29] <bad3r>       ^_^
[01:30] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> bad3r: english only, please.
[01:30] <vzduch> !ar
[01:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:31] <bad3r> WhtWolfTeraDyne   --  im  ksa
[01:33] <koosoli> hola
[01:34] <carutsu> !es > koosoli
[01:36] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> O_O; lagged out...
[01:56] <gan|y|med> hi
[01:57] <drowningAndGrade> pour sugar in tractors
[01:57] <drowningAndGrade> just dump sugar in tractors
[01:57] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> ? Did #kubuntu-offtopic change it's name? It's just about as dead here as it usually is there...
[01:58] <gan|y|med> is there any good site about kubuntu-beryl integration?
[01:58] <drowningAndGrade> just dump sugar in tractors if you have to work there
[01:58] <drowningAndGrade> just fil up the godamn tank witgh sugar
[01:58] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> gan|y|med: You might ask in #ubuntu-effects .  He was going off the handle since I got back and shortly before you got here
[02:03] <zipper> drowningAndGrade, dude really, whats wrong with you?
[02:05] <dsmith> do a whois on him
[02:05] <not-Timmay> how can i stream music off the web?
[02:05] <dsmith> !streamtuner
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about streamtuner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <runlevelten> mplayer
[02:05] <dsmith> streamtuner works wonders
[02:05] <dsmith> no config
[02:06] <dsmith> just pick a stream
[02:06] <dsmith> and let it rip
[02:06] <dsmith> well record I meant
[02:06] <runlevelten> mplayer -dumpstream <MRL>
[02:06] <runlevelten> ;)
[02:06] <dsmith> click click.. done
[02:06] <dsmith> :P
[02:07] <runlevelten> clicking stuff takes a long time =)
[02:07] <dsmith> in linux I bet there is like 5 diffeent ways to do the very same thing
[02:07] <runlevelten> each to their own, I say! :D
[02:07] <dsmith> exactly!
[02:07] <dsmith> *smack* off of my streamtuner....
[02:08] <runlevelten> example - my missus doesn't want to use mplayer in a shell, she uses nice GUI apps
[02:08] <dsmith> I love GUIs
[02:08] <runlevelten> on the other hand, the time it takes me to type mpl(tab) -dumpstream shift-insert is about 1/10th of what it takes to start the GUI app
[02:09] <dsmith> lol
[02:09] <runlevelten> so I'm happy too (and about halfway through downloading it when streamtuner would appear)
[02:09] <dsmith> at work I have installed a kubuntu iso running it acrosds the network
[02:10] <dsmith> using virtual box
[02:13] <K-Ryan2> What's the package for flash?
[02:14] <dsmith> !flash
[02:14] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:15] <dsmith> !ubotu
[02:15] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:21] <not-Timmay> ok it's not working...can someone help me with it real quick?
[02:23] <runlevelten> right, Ten out. night all.
[02:25] <tepossino> hello there
[02:25] <tepossino> i have an easy question just installed ubuntu :-)
[02:25] <tepossino> what is the default root pw? :-)
[02:26] <not-Timmay> sudo passwd root
[02:26] <tepossino> tnx
[02:26] <not-Timmay> np
[02:26] <tepossino> second and last question
[02:27] <dsmith> root pw: BillGates shhhhh....
[02:27] <Minataku> DO NOT USE ROOT FOR EVERYDAY TASKS
[02:27] <Sanne> !root | tepossino
[02:27] <ubotu> tepossino: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[02:27] <Doug1> Hi all, I was wondering how I create a thunderbird shortcut on my desktop or taskbar.  I can run it through konsole but if i hit ctrl+c or exit the konsole, thunderbird dies
[02:27] <tepossino> how do i secure this thing.... as fara as i know there could be an herd of elephnats inside my pc now... ;-)
[02:27] <not-Timmay> no need
[02:27] <not-Timmay> it's secured...
[02:27] <not-Timmay> i'm helping with that :)
[02:28] <dsmith> Doug1: go to the application, right click to place on desktop
[02:28] <not-Timmay> just start typing stuf like your SSN and stuff
[02:28] <Doug1> thank you
[02:28] <shadowhywind> ok i sware, the more i try to edit my fstab, the farther away i get from my actraul goal.. What is a normal fstab line for a vfat with rw?
[02:28] <dsmith> tepossino: thar, be a herrd of pengiuns.
[02:28] <not-Timmay> lol
[02:28] <dsmith> Doug1: your welcome
[02:28] <not-Timmay> shadowhywind: quit while you're ahead ;)
[02:28] <tepossino> hmmm  sounds like i have a silver bullet of a business desktop PC now ;-)
[02:29] <tepossino> great
[02:29] <shadowhywind> *snickers*
[02:29] <dsmith> tepossino: I have 5 machines at the office installed w/ kubuntu
[02:29] <shadowhywind> so any tips to help?
[02:29] <Doug1> dsmith: it doesn't run now
[02:30] <not-Timmay> ont really, sorry
[02:30] <tepossino> uh i have 3000 servers at my "office" :-)
[02:30] <dsmith> Doug1: does the application run when you click on the application link
[02:30] <tepossino> anyway i'll work on this kubuntu I promeise
[02:30] <tepossino> thanks for your help
[02:30] <not-Timmay> hey can anyone help me so I can stream audio off a website?
[02:31] <dsmith> tepossino: I have 3000 servers as well and one mean blad server named "Billy"
[02:31] <dsmith> *blade
[02:31] <tepossino> lol dsmith
[02:31] <Doug1> dsmith: when i launch the script from the thunderbird folder it boots like a new account setup
[02:31] <dsmith> Doug1: did you setup Tbird already?
[02:32] <not-Timmay> does anyone stream audio off a website here?
[02:32] <Doug1> yes i launched it through konsole and set up my servers.  everything is reset now though
[02:32] <dsmith> hmmmm
[02:33] <dsmith> where is the folder?
[02:33] <Doug1> /home/doug/thunderbird
[02:33] <dsmith> how many acounst do you have in that folder
[02:33] <dsmith> *accounts
[02:34] <Doug1> in home i only have one it's doug
[02:34] <dsmith> does it say default?
[02:35] <Doug1> where would it say default?
[02:35] <dsmith> here is my directory lsiting, appreg  Archive.tar.gz  profiles.ini  profiles.ini~  tse8rk58.default
[02:36] <dsmith> tbird should not be giving alot of troubles
[02:36] <dsmith> it can be minorly quirky at times
[02:37] <Doug1> yeah sorry.  i'm coming from xp and vista so one quick question is the thunderbird shell script file the one i want to copy to my desktop?
[02:37] <dsmith> no
[02:37] <tepossino> hmmm.... do i need root privileges to modify xorg.conf? I only get 800x600 .... reminds me of 1987....
[02:37] <dsmith> what ver. ubuntu?
[02:38] <Doug1> kubuntu feisty fawn
[02:38] <dsmith> tepossino: of course
[02:38] <tepossino> ok thx
[02:39] <dsmith> Doug1: how did you install tbird?
[02:39] <tzanger> ok, I just want to say that the network monitor that is able to tell when I've unplugged and gone wireless or vice-versa after a suspend/resume cycle... that rocks
[02:39] <tzanger> ROCKS
[02:39] <not-Timmay> is kaffeine able to stream audio?
[02:39] <dsmith> not-Timmay: try streamtuner
[02:40] <not-Timmay> k
[02:40] <not-Timmay> how do i make it stream a website audio?
[02:40] <dsmith> Which website
[02:41] <not-Timmay> http://www.98kupd.com/
[02:41] <Doug1> dsmith: I tried untarring it in one location, didn't work, tried it in my home/doug and it worked. i used konsole to download whatever packages were needed and then i wrote cd /home/doug/thunderbird then ./thunderbird and the application popped up, but konsole didn't bring a new prompt i had to use ctrl+c, but that would quit thunderbird
[02:42] <not-Timmay> or http://www.knixcountry.com/main.html
[02:42] <dsmith> not-Timmay: sorry, I thought that streamtuner did give an option to type in a URL
[02:43] <dsmith> I just looked and could not find an option
[02:44] <dsmith> Doug1: gimmie a few mins
[02:44] <Doug1> dsmith: ok do you want the error code that konsole gives?
[02:44] <dsmith> no
[02:45] <Doug1> ok
[02:45] <dsmith> did you download from thw website or via apt-get?
[02:45] <not-Timmay> who?
[02:46] <Doug1> website and then i looked on forums (very difficult btw) and it told me to keep doing these apt-get
[02:46] <Doug1> things for different packages
[02:46] <Doug1> i untarred the tar.gz from mozilla
[02:46] <dsmith> ok...
[02:47] <dsmith> in linux most of what you need especially in the version that your using Fiesty; you can download from Add/Remove programs
[02:48] <dsmith> your using kubuntu?
[02:48] <Doug1> yes
[02:48] <tepossino> now.... a question dawns... why didnt it recognize that i can have 1024x768? so that i can spend my week-end modifying xorg.conf perhaps?
[02:48] <dsmith> ok clean of the thunderbird folder under your home directory
[02:48] <Doug1> alright
[02:49] <dsmith> tepossino: I dont know
[02:49] <dsmith> i am at 1440x900
[02:49] <dsmith> 1600x1200 on the 20" at the office
[02:49] <tepossino> i am flabbergasted
[02:49] <dsmith> *sarcasm*
[02:49] <dsmith> lol
[02:50] <Doug1> k that's done i had to login as root though to remove it
[02:50] <tepossino> ok i'll shut up and go work on the xorg lol
[02:51] <dsmith> Doug1: ok, not goto, Add/Remove programs
[02:51] <dsmith> and run a search on thunderbird
[02:51] <Doug1> alright
[02:51] <Doug1> won't work
[02:51] <Doug1> needs to login as root
[02:52] <dsmith> yes
[02:52] <Doug1> but my root password that i use in konsole doesn't work
[02:52] <dsmith> stick your password in
[02:52] <dsmith> hmmmmm
[02:52] <dsmith> try the password you login in with
[02:52] <Doug1> didn't work
[02:52] <dsmith> thats odd
[02:53] <dsmith> open konsole
[02:53] <dsmith> and type passwd
[02:53] <dsmith> input your current one
[02:53] <Sanne> Doug1: if I may jump in a sec, open konsole and type: 'sudo k', after that try add/remove again.
[02:54] <Sanne> Doug1: soory: sudo -k
[02:55] <dsmith> Sanne: I was just about to ask you about that :)
[02:55] <Sanne> dsmith: you were? heh :)
[02:55] <Doug1> ok i actually gotta go somewhere.  thanks for all you're help.  i'll try again later, but none of it worked.  maybe i just need a fresh install
[02:55] <dsmith> i didn't look right
[02:56] <dsmith> Doug1: just do a reinstall of tbird
[02:56] <Sanne> dsmith: yup, hectic little fingers of mine tz tz :)
[02:56] <Doug1> ok will do, thanks
[02:56] <Doug1> /leave
[02:56] <dsmith> np
[02:56] <dsmith> kopete has irc?
[02:58] <Sanne> dsmith: I jumped in because sometimes kdesu won't work when the sudo timestamp is still valid. sudo -k resets this timestamp, and kdesu should work again. Sorry for the interruption.
[02:58] <dsmith> Sanne: np, I was helping the guy as he was new, like I was 8 months ago. This room was extremely helpful to me
[02:59] <dsmith> so enjoy returning the favor
[02:59] <dsmith> hmm kopete does have irc.....
[03:00] <Sanne> dsmith: isn't kopete using konversation as chat client?
[03:00] <dsmith> i dont know
[03:02] <dsmith> hmmmm go jabber protocol working
[03:02] <Sanne> no, doesn't seem like it uses konversation. I guess I was confusing it with another application.
[03:03] <facugaich> By the way, how do I configure kopete  to login automatically?
[03:03] <Biteyn-1> Can GRUB be set to boot a certain OS automaticly so on next boot it'll load ubuntu or windows automaticly?
[03:05] <dsmith> facugaich: I am not entirely sure on how to do that
[03:05] <facugaich> Biteyn-1: yes, check in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file the "default" option
[03:05] <Sanne> Biteyn-1: I only know how to do that via editing /boot/grub/menu.lst. It's a bit work, but you could do it.
[03:05] <Sanne> facugaich: :)
[03:06] <facugaich> dsmith: I don't want it to autostart, I want it to login automatically whenever I start it
[03:06] <Biteyn-1> and so next time it'll auto load ubuntu or windows?
[03:07] <Biteyn-1> and if i want to go back into ubuntu i just press f8 or something?
[03:10] <Sanne> Biteyn-1: there's an option to hide the boot menu, and to get it back, it says press ESC
[03:14] <Biteyn-1> sanne: so on boot up i just go to option before going into ubuntu?
[03:16] <Sanne> Biteyn-1: I understand that you would have to press ESC somewhere in the boot sequence (pretty early, I guess), then you'll get the boot menu where you can choose Ubuntu. The default you set would be still valid if you don't choose.
[03:17] <facugaich> Biteyn-1: Sanne is right
[03:17] <Sanne> :)
[03:22] <Biteyn-1> alright :D
[03:23] <chrisiajar> oh hi. anyone know how to make gstreamer work on kubuntu?
[03:32] <ShockValue> hi all.. this is my first go at (k)ubuntu.. im following the wiki on how to set up the fglrx ati driver.. but i think its written for gnome (?).  anyway, i have the driver installed, but i dont know how to activate it in KDE
[03:32] <raylu> er...
[03:32] <raylu> what step did you get to?
[03:32] <raylu> and you're looking at
[03:32] <raylu> !ati
[03:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:32] <raylu> right?
[03:33] <ShockValue> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic restricted-manager
[03:33] <yurimxpxman> konqueror won't let me set FLV files to always open with *anything*.. do any of you know what's up with that?
[03:33] <ShockValue> yes, thats the one im following.. but this part doesnt seem to make sense "in 7.04 "System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager" and select "ATI accelerated graphics driver". "
[03:34] <raylu> yurimxpxman, are you trying to set it for system-wide?
[03:34] <yurimxpxman> raylu: I'm just trying to do it for my own account, if that's what you mean
[03:35] <raylu> ShockValue, i think you should try the edgy instructions; you're on feisty, right?
[03:35] <ShockValue> so how do I 'turn on' fglrx in KDE?
[03:35] <ShockValue> correct
[03:35] <yurimxpxman> raylu: the option to always open that type of file with a program is disabled
[03:35] <yurimxpxman> ShockValue: use the open radeon drivers
[03:35] <raylu> yurimxpxman, i haven't tried this with konqueror, but i suppose "kdesu konqueror" would let you set it...for system-wide
[03:35] <ShockValue> yurimxpxman: thanks for the sugggestion.  im trying to figure out how to use the fglrx drivers
[03:36] <yurimxpxman> ShockValue: sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:36] <ShockValue> ill jsut folow the edgy instructions
[03:36] <yurimxpxman> ShockValue: find the driver section and change it to "fglrx", then save and restart X with CTRL+alt+backspace
[03:37] <ShockValue> kk, ill get that going.. now i just need to figure out how to get Amarok to play flac files, and I'll be in business >:)
[03:38] <yurimxpxman> ShockValue: as for the flac, just search synaptic for xine and check all the packages you want
[03:41] <ShockValue> cool thanks
[03:41] <ShockValue> lol, i love audiocd:/ kio .. its so slick :)
[03:47] <clouder> Is there a shortcut in konversation to cycle through open channels/servers?
[03:49] <K-Ryan> What's the plugin for flash in firefox?
[03:50] <raylu> it doesn't install automatically for you?
[03:51] <clouder> K-Ryan: I think all I did was install flash-plugin-nonfree and it worked
[03:51] <K-Ryan> clouder: flashplugin-nonfree isn't doing it for me =/
[03:54] <_Iamda> what are some other suggestions, other than yahoo or gmail?
[03:55] <guest_> kakakaka
[03:55] <guest_> ada k?
[03:56] <_Iamda> ok
[04:00] <ccoffey> does anyone have any expierence with fakeraid on the ICH7R ?
[04:05] <zolar> it there a easy way to turn gdm and kdm on and off?
[04:06] <Minataku> Yes
[04:06] <zolar> Minataku: how do you do it?
[04:06] <Minataku> I don't know, my distro uses a different init
[04:06] <Minataku> Let's see if the bot knows
[04:06] <Minataku> !init
[04:06] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:07] <Minataku> Ah, use that bum thing, and swap kdm and/or gdm in and out
[04:09] <zolar> thanks
[04:09] <Minataku> np
[04:11] <francis> !init
[04:11] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:11] <ardchoille> zolar: sudo /etc/init.d/*dm stop  (or "start", "restart") Is that what you wanted?
[04:11] <zolar> yes, but how do it.
[04:11] <ardchoille> zolar: sudo /etc/init.d/*dm stop
[04:12] <ardchoille> * = gdm or kdm
[04:12] <ardchoille> zolar: That stops the display manager, it doesn't prevent it from starting on reboot
[04:13] <zolar> what does?
[04:13] <ccoffey> dmraid can't seem to find my fakeraid, when booting the kernel, but from a live disc it does find it.  If you don't like it, then you suck, how about that.
[04:17] <ardchoille> Can we take the "sucks" chatter to another channel please?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> Yes please
[04:17] <DaSkreech> like #kde :)
[04:18] <DaSkreech> raccoon: hi Did you know that you are a linux program?
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Blast
[04:18] <ccoffey> yeah, it should work, but it's not, something up with dmraid not being loaded intially, before the root file system tries to be loaded. i tried adding a delay to initramfs as per : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/83231 , but there was no joy with that
[04:18] <DaSkreech> I just found that out a few hours ago
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Why can't geeks come up with good names?
[04:18] <Nyle> is something the matter with you? first you attack kde then when I ask you for reasons why you dislike it, you tell me to take it elsewhere.
[04:18] <Nyle> you have some screwed up thinking DaSkreech
[04:19] <Nyle> but whatever, you seem like you get off on having the last word. have at it
[04:19] <DaSkreech> I think that you attacked it but in any case do you have a support related question?
[04:20] <Nyle> I have many
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Fire away
[04:20] <Nyle> I don't feel like it anymore.
[04:20] <DaSkreech> That's perfectly alright as well
[04:22] <ccoffey> my mobo has two sata controllers, both with fake raid, i might give the jmicron a go over the ich7r one, might have more joy with it :( question is, can i easily convert from one to the other, or would i need to rebuild the array
[04:22] <Nyle> jmicron
[04:22] <Nyle> hmm
[04:22] <Nyle> its a pos
[04:23] <ccoffey> yup, but i'm inisitant on getting this fakeraid to work, dual boot-ing. can't beat the load times :)
[04:23] <Nyle> this raid on my mobo using the same chipset literally took the piss of me
[04:23] <Nyle> almost went bald pulling my hair out
[04:23] <existz> fug
[04:23] <existz> Nyle I feel you
[04:23] <existz> haha
[04:23] <existz> been dealing with this shit myself
[04:24] <Nyle> I have a GA 965P S3 mobo
[04:24] <Existz> brb
[04:24] <Existz> Anyone have a geforce 8500 here?
[04:24] <Existz> or a Geforce 8 series card?
[04:24] <Nyle> same as a DS3 without solid state capacitors, and has the same crappy rain controller
[04:24] <Nyle> raid*
[04:24] <ccoffey> asus p5wdh deluxe here
[04:25] <Nyle> I have an X1900XTX I bouht last year
[04:25] <Existz> I can't get the 8500 to work
[04:25] <Nyle> ccoffey: what cpu?
[04:25] <Existz> it keeps giving me the no screens found error
[04:25] <Existz> I read more into it and it seems the kernel module doesn't match up
[04:25] <ccoffey> e6600
[04:25] <Nyle> ccoffey: at what speed?
[04:25] <lightning18> who lives here in philippines
[04:26] <Nyle> lightning18: I think phillipino people live in the phillipines
[04:26] <Existz> Nyle
[04:26] <Nyle> just a guess
[04:26] <Existz> what distro you using rihgt now?
[04:26] <Existz> right
[04:26] <lightning18> o yeah?
[04:26] <lightning18> youre very right
[04:26] <Nyle> Existz: umm.. kubuntu?
[04:26] <lightning18> why do you live there?
[04:26] <Existz> same
[04:26] <Existz> haha
[04:26] <DaSkreech> lightning18: Why?
[04:26] <Nyle> Existz: we are in #kubuntu
[04:26] <Existz> didn't notice the channel name
[04:26] <ccoffey> Nyle: stock so far, and i have it since launch, i like my quietness :), i had it at 400fsb for awhile, but i don't do enough to OC really,
[04:26] <Existz> haha
[04:27] <Nyle> Existz: you exist alright, but do you think?
[04:27] <Nyle> ;)
[04:27] <Existz> i'm so tired of dealing with this crap
[04:27] <Nyle> get it?
[04:27] <Existz> talked to several peeps
[04:27] <Nyle> I think, therefore I am.
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Nyle: No need to be snide :)
[04:27] <Existz> and several peeps are just running in vesa
[04:27] <Existz> forget that shit
[04:27] <Nyle> DaSkreech: dude just leave me alone will ya
[04:27] <Existz> i'm not happy with vesa, got an 8500 I want to work
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Existz: I'm not sure the drivers that support that have hit the repos
[04:27] <lightning18> i du wanna know, how long it takes for my requested CD to go into my dam house
[04:28] <Nyle> a long time
[04:28] <Nyle> don't complain about free stuff
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Existz: They should be there for gutsy but till that calms down you may want to check restricted backports
[04:28] <Existz> well it says the 8500 is supported by the newest drivers
[04:28] <Existz> anyone want to look at my xorg log and see what's wrong?
[04:28] <Nyle> pastebin it
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Existz: Which are probably not in the Feisty repos. How did you install the drivers?
[04:28] <Existz> http://pastebin.com/m67746297
[04:28] <ccoffey> Existz: did you try envy
[04:29] <Existz> envy?
[04:29] <Existz> I just went to nvidia.com/linux
[04:29] <ccoffey> Existz: it's a nice utility i like for doing all the gfx drivers for ya, i'll get you a link now
[04:29] <Existz> looked for the newest drivers
[04:29] <Existz> ah thanks
[04:29] <ccoffey> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[04:29] <Nyle> I've never installed nvidia on ubuntu
[04:29] <Nyle> only on debian
[04:30] <Existz> yeah debian wasn't too hard
[04:30] <Nyle> ubuntu has some really weird ways of doing this stuff
[04:30] <Nyle> debian is easier to use than ubuntu ime
[04:30] <Existz> here's the xorg.conf file
[04:30] <Existz> http://pastebin.com/m39b64ea
[04:30] <ccoffey> Nyle: that's nice
[04:30] <Nyle> ccoffey: well because I am new to ubuntu
[04:30] <Nyle> ccoffey: I am already used to debian so I know it
[04:30] <Nyle> all in good time
[04:30] <Existz> you know what I had a shitload of problems with
[04:31] <Existz> pclinuxos
[04:31] <ccoffey> I had huge issues woth solaris, they use more for man pages for crying outloud
[04:31] <Existz> debian's like the worst starting out as a noob
[04:31] <Nyle> whatever dude
[04:31] <Nyle> debian is the bomb diggity
[04:31] <Existz> fuck, if you don't know windows you sure as hell won't be able to use debian
[04:32] <Existz> had to get everything from scratch
[04:32] <Existz> had to dl apt-get cause it wasn't even installed
[04:32] <Nyle> Existz: i'd rather build a system myself
[04:32] <Nyle> Existz: I don't like to let people do it for me
[04:32] <Nyle> those -do it for you- -just works- distros and software
[04:33] <Nyle> I can do without it.  That is why I searched for the ubuntu netinstall
[04:33] <Existz> well you still customize it in the end
[04:33] <DaSkreech> !language
[04:33] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:33] <Minataku> Nyle: Heh
[04:33] <Nyle> DaSkreech: what in the ... are you on about?
[04:33] <Minataku> Nyle: You want Gentoo
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Nyle: Not you
[04:33] <Nyle> DaSkreech: get off my back man
[04:33] <Existz> where's ccoy?
[04:33] <Minataku> Or perhaps even LFS
[04:33] <Existz> ccofrey
[04:34] <Existz> ccoffey
[04:34] <DaSkreech> !tab
[04:34] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[04:34] <ccoffey> here
[04:34] <ardchoille> !ot
[04:34] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter.  Which of the 300 people on are not Children?
[04:35] <Existz> no one
[04:35] <Existz> haha
[04:35] <ardchoille> Existz: I have an 8 year old niece (kubuntu user) who frequents this channel
[04:35] <Existz> that's you
[04:35] <Nyle> *sigh*
[04:35] <Existz> and you know she's been exposed to porn already
[04:35] <Existz> and she goes to school
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Anyway if you two want to keep up this conversation you can do it in #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:36] <Existz> 8 yr olds swear like their mother and fathers
[04:36] <Existz> ccoffey got the link?
[04:36] <ccoffey> i pasted it ages ago
[04:36] <Nyle> my /etc/network/interfaces has eth0 set to auto, however up on reboot/boot my if is not brought up, and I have to manually bring it up or start /etc/init.d/networking
[04:36] <Existz> where is it?
[04:37] <Existz> never got pasted here
[04:37] <Nyle> why is this happening?
[04:37] <ccoffey> 7 minutes agp
[04:37] <ccoffey> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[04:37] <Existz> ah
[04:37] <Nyle> anyone knowledgable enough to help me?
[04:38] <ccoffey> right, gonna back up my stuff, and try the JMicron JMB363 over the  Intel ICH7R fake raid
[04:38] <Existz> hmm
[04:38] <Nyle> DaSkreech: you want to take this one?
[04:38] <Existz> does ubuntu run .deb files?
[04:39] <ccoffey> dpkg -i <.deb>
[04:39] <Existz> so what's better the tar.gz or the deb?
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Nyle: netowrking doesn't start?
[04:39] <Nyle> ardchoille: what?
[04:39] <ccoffey> .tar.gz is just a zip file, but generally it'll be source code you need to compile
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Did you check the logs to see if it failed?
[04:40] <Existz> ccoffey, how do I run this?
[04:40] <Existz> do I have to unpack the deb file?
[04:41] <ardchoille> Existz: You can install a deb with: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[04:42] <facugaich> How can I restart kwin?
[04:42] <Nyle> facugaich: where are you right now?
[04:43] <Nyle> just run alt+f2 in kde and run box type kwin
[04:43] <Existz> fakeroot?
[04:43] <Existz> wtf
[04:43] <Nyle> or kill -HUP kwin or something
[04:43] <Existz> damn
[04:43] <Existz> need to do all these installs first
[04:44] <Existz> damnit
[04:44] <Nyle> DaSkreech: I'm online.  dmesg says nothing of the sort.  Seemingly all fine.  However, I have to manually bring my if up, even though it is set to auto in the interfaces file
[04:44] <Existz> synaptic doesn't have envy
[04:44] <ardchoille> !envy
[04:44] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[04:45] <Nyle> ardchoille: I replied to your message.  Kindly check it.
[04:45] <Existz> ubotu
[04:45] <Existz> you sure about that?
[04:45] <ardchoille> !bot
[04:45] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:46] <Nyle> facugaich: did you get kwin restarted?
[04:47] <Existz> ccoffet
[04:47] <Existz> coffey
[04:47] <Existz> you there?
[04:47] <facugaich> Nyle: The problem is solved now, I had to restart kde. I asked because I didn't want to close all the programs
[04:48] <Existz> goddamnit
[04:49] <ardchoille> !language
[04:49] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:49] <Nyle> facugaich: dcop ksmserver ksmserver savecurrentsession
[04:49] <Existz> bbl
[04:49] <facugaich> Nyle: what does that do?
[04:49] <Nyle> saves your session
[04:50] <Nyle> with all the open apps and all that, change your session manager and make it startup saved sessions instead of last session
[04:50] <Nyle> you can make a button for it on taskbar or panel or something
[04:50] <Nyle> then whenver you start kde what you saved will load, with all the apps and how they were all that good stuff
[04:51] <Nyle> you can restart X as many times as you like, all your apps will always load the way they were before you restarted
[04:51] <facugaich> Nyle: but that will also reload the apps right?
[04:51] <Nyle> obviously
[04:52] <Nyle> you're killing all the x clients
[04:52] <Nyle> by killing the server
[04:53] <facugaich> Nyle: is there any way to avoid that?
[04:53] <Nyle> nope
[04:53] <Nyle> I am not aware of any screen for X
[04:53] <Nyle> I actually would like to see a screen type software for X
[04:53] <Nyle> it would be very handy
[04:54] <Minataku> Try a different WM then
[04:54] <Minataku> I use fluxbox
[04:54] <Nyle> what?
[04:54] <Minataku> It's like screen on steroids
[04:54] <Nyle> what does that have anything to do with what we are discussing?
[04:54] <Minataku> Considering you just asked about screen type software for X
[04:54] <Nyle> !info screen
[04:54] <ubotu> screen: a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation. In component main, is optional. Version 4.0.3-0.2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 571 kB, installed size 980 kB
[04:55] <ardchoille> http://xwinman.org
[04:55] <ubuntu> !grub
[04:55] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:55] <Nyle> Minataku: read up.
[04:55] <Nyle> a screen for X would be nice.
[04:56] <ccoffey> nx is alright
[04:56] <ccoffey> it's what i used
[04:56] <Nyle> yes, but if you kill X, clients die too.  Connection terminated.
[04:57] <Nyle> nx can't get around it
[04:57] <ccoffey> never tried tbh
[04:57] <facugaich> Nyle: The problem I just had was that the title bar for the windows disappeared and the panel was unresponsive (I could right click on it but choosing an item didn't do anything)
[04:57] <Nyle> kwin shouldn't affect kicker afaik
[04:58] <facugaich> Nyle: but the title bars are managed by kwin right?
[04:58] <Nyle> facugaich: kwin probably crashed
[04:58] <ubuntu> HI Hobbsee
[04:58] <Nyle> facugaich: yessir
[04:58] <facugaich> Nyle: yeah, that's why I wanted to restart kwin only
[04:59] <Nyle> facugaich: man kill
[04:59] <Hobbsee> hey ubuntu
[05:00] <Nyle> is all the serious support you only get if you pay for it?
[05:00] <Nyle> can't I just get free support in ubuntu?
[05:01] <facugaich> Nyle: it was already 'dead', but I wasn't able to start it again. I opened a konsole but it didn't respond, and I couldn't do it from the ttys
[05:01] <Nyle> my eth0 isn't brought up on boot by networking even though the interfaces file has it set on auto
[05:01] <Nyle> facugaich: ouch
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: yeah, but a support contract looks better to corporate types, and the support staff have nice little pieces of paper that says they're professionals at it :)
[05:02] <Nyle> so what is this channel for
[05:02] <facugaich> Nyle: isn't there any way to restart it from tty?
[05:02] <Nyle> facugaich: yeh, I have to manually bring it up
[05:02] <Nyle> it doesn't happen to me in other distros I have running on other boxes here
[05:02] <Nyle> just kubuntu
[05:02] <Nyle> didn't happen on 6 or 5
[05:03] <Nyle> just 7/feisty
[05:03] <Nyle> its a pain to manually bring it up
[05:03] <facugaich> Nyle: how do I do that?
[05:03] <facugaich> oh
[05:03] <Nyle> facugaich: hah, confusing eh
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: for volunteers (like me, I have zero official links to the ubuntu people) to help out people with questions
[05:03] <Nyle> facugaich: yes, just go to alt+ctrl+f2 login, and type kwin -display :0 &
[05:04] <Nyle> facugaich: or whichever display your X is running on
[05:04] <Nyle> echo $DISPLAY
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: sort of like going to your buddy down the street and saying 'hey, how do I do/fix $PROBLEM
[05:04] <facugaich> I tried to look for that option... but it didn't appear in kwin --help
[05:05] <Nyle> hitmanWilly: the problem I've noticed in ubuntu is that irc support is really bad.  not that people don't want to help, but that most people are noobs worried about thier own problems and don't have time or knowledge enough to help others
[05:05] <Nyle> facugaich: its not a kwin option
[05:05] <Nyle> its an X  client option
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: i guess you get what you pay for ;)
[05:05] <facugaich> Nyle: oh, ok
[05:05] <Nyle> you can specify any X app to run on any display using -display
[05:06] <Nyle> hitmanWilly: ever been to debian?
[05:06] <Nyle> hitmanWilly: I try to help when I can also
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: nope...but several other rooms (#gentoo for one)
[05:06] <Nyle> some people here might think I'm putting down ubuntu but thats their perception I guess
[05:07] <Nyle> I'm just saying, its a good distro, but it would be nice to have support from knowledgeable people about it
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: ubuntu is a distro geared towards newbies, so it makes sense that most of the users are, well, inexperienced :P
[05:07] <Nyle> and imo debian is still king
[05:07] <Nyle> hitmanWilly: well yeh, I completely understand that
[05:08] <Nyle> hitmanWilly: and I'm not downing on anything, I'm just wishing/wanting more
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: ubuntu is basically debian with training wheels
[05:08] <Nyle> :)
[05:08] <Nyle> not is isn't
[05:08] <Nyle> if it used debian packages then sure.
[05:08] <Nyle> it only uses the debian packaging scheme, not actual debian packages it self
[05:09] <Nyle> so it has its own bugs and its own thigns, the way it works is different in many ways
[05:09] <Nyle> I'm still learning, but slowly
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Stupid power cut
[05:09] <Nyle> DaSkreech: ups is the word
[05:09] <DaSkreech> I have one
[05:09] <Nyle> they are cheap these days too
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: well, i like source distros myself, i just use kubuntu on the lappy since i really don't care about performance on it
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Surge apparently went went past it on the second power cut
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: and as far as binary distros, slack ftw :P
[05:10] <Nyle> nah
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> but that's just me
[05:10] <Nyle> debian is king baby :)
[05:10] <Nyle> oh yeh to each their own
[05:10] <Nyle> there is no universal distro, cuz everyone is different
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: i started out on debian back in 99
[05:11] <Nyle> I started in 94
[05:11] <Nyle> well with debian in 96 actually
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: from there to red hat and slack until recently
[05:11] <Nyle> same
[05:11] <Nyle> last redhat i used was 6.2
[05:11] <Nyle> man that was a long time ago
[05:11] <Nyle> I was like 14 years old
[05:11] <Nyle> hehe
[05:12] <Nyle> no 16
[05:12] <Nyle> I can't remember
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> way pre-split
[05:12] <devkinetic> hey guys/gals, sorry for the n00b question, but im trying to extract a tar.bz2 file to my /usr/lib/win32 dir, and i don't know how to do it ark keeps saying permission denied
[05:12] <Nyle> devkinetic: you don't have permission
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> devkinetic: you need to have root perms to extract to that dir
[05:13] <devkinetic> how do i give ark root permissions
[05:13] <devkinetic> so it can do it
[05:13] <Nyle> devkinetic: sudo tar jxvf blah.tar.bz2 -C /usr/lib/win32
[05:13] <Nyle> I think its capital -C
[05:13] <Nyle> check the manpage for tar /-c or /-C
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> devkinetic: what Nyle said, just faster on the trigger than me :)
[05:13] <DaSkreech> devkinetic: alt+F2 -> kdesu ark /path/to/targz
[05:13] <Nyle> ahh yeh
[05:14] <Nyle> I forgot
[05:14] <Nyle> this is a noob distro
[05:14] <allan_> guys, my amarok does not load
[05:14] <allan_> when I run it, it does not come out
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Nyle: when they ask noob questions :)
[05:14] <allan_> but according to htop, it is running
[05:14] <DaSkreech> allan_: run it from the command line and see if it throws any errors
[05:14] <Nyle> allan_: is it in your system tray
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> allan_: killall amarok, then try to run it again
[05:14] <facugaich> guys, newb != noob
[05:14] <allan_> not in the systray
[05:15] <Nyle> facugaich: same thing diff spelling
[05:15] <allan_> there is an error message..
[05:15] <allan_> here is the end of it...
[05:15] <allan_> Amarok: [Loader]  Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?
[05:15] <Nyle> newbie. new to <insert stuff here>
[05:15] <allan_> it is a very long error message
[05:15] <Minataku> !paste
[05:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:15] <Minataku> Use that
[05:15] <Minataku> Dr_Willis_: :D
[05:15] <facugaich> Nyle: noob has a more negative meaning
[05:16] <Nyle> yeh whatever man
[05:16] <facugaich> :)
[05:16] <Dr_Willis_> "MS Lemming Zombie" is a positive thing. :)
[05:16] <Nyle> I don't care about any of that stuff
[05:16] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: i would disagree, a newb says 'show me how to $SOMETHING', a n00b says 'tell me the fscking cmd'
[05:16] <Nyle> people can take whater meaning they want
[05:16] <DaSkreech> facugaich: In anycase we don't call people either here
[05:16] <Nyle> er.. dang ctrl key
[05:16] <DaSkreech> They are free to call themselves that
[05:16] <Dr_Willis_> "Tell me exactly in 2 words or less how to install a web server that i can  do what youtube is doing!"
[05:16] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:17] <Nyle> Dr_Willis_: hey man
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Dr_Willis: Buy stock
[05:17] <devkinetic> DaSkreech: ok i got it open with that command, but when i go to the extract screen in ark, i can't find my /usr/ folder, its only giving me my home folder and stuff
[05:17] <Nyle> ahh boy
[05:17] <Nyle> god bless the command line
[05:17] <DaSkreech> !hidden
[05:17] <ubotu> Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> amen brother
[05:17] <Nyle> omg
[05:18] <Nyle> hidden?
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:18] <facugaich> DaSkreech: I didn't call anyone newb or noob
[05:18] <DaSkreech> bad idea
[05:18] <Nyle> hahaha, like the ms windows stuff.  hide it from users so they can't mess up their system
[05:18] <DaSkreech> facugaich: I know I wasn't saying you did
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> they got rid of it in feisty, thank $DEITY
[05:18] <facugaich> oh ok
[05:18] <DaSkreech> facugaich: Just saying it's kinda pointless to argue since neither term is welcome here
[05:18] <allan_> here you go http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29881/
[05:18] <allan_> that's my amarok's long error message
[05:18] <Nyle> oh
[05:18] <devkinetic> thanks DaSkreech, i knew they were there, haven't used linux i  like 5 years
[05:18] <Nyle> hold on man
[05:19] <Nyle> I didn't say anything about negative noob
[05:19] <Dr_Willis_> i dont see the big deal over the hidden stuff.. you can always enter the /usr/whatever :)
[05:19] <Nyle> I just said merely oh hey i forgot this is a noob distro my bad, do the gui way, forget cli
[05:19] <Nyle> I didn't mean to say what ya'll are implying I said
[05:19] <Nyle> dang
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> allan_: ok, amarok is already running, just froze up
[05:19] <DaSkreech> devkinetic: can you just type in /usr something?
[05:19] <Nyle> amarok is great
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> allan_: in konsole: killall amarokapp
[05:20] <Nyle> I wish you could go back in playlist history until it was blank
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Nyle: Which ever one helps no worries
[05:20] <Nyle> DaSkreech: eh?
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Nyle: he was in ark already so I gave him a ark command
[05:20] <Nyle> DaSkreech: for some reason I'm never sure what you are talking to me about
[05:20] <Nyle> ahh
[05:20] <Nyle> ok cool
[05:20] <DaSkreech>  if he just asked about tar.gz lord knows i'd introduce the cli
[05:20] <DaSkreech> CLIFTW!
[05:21] <DaSkreech> I should make a command called that
[05:21] <DaSkreech> and give it a GUI interface :-D
[05:21] <Nyle> hah
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:21] <DaSkreech> >_< It would so mess up everyone :)
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech: just link it to xterm :)
[05:22] <Nyle> dcop is awesome
[05:22] <DaSkreech> And dead :)
[05:23] <allan_> I killed amarok and ran it again, but the same thing happened
[05:23] <hitmanWilly> allan_: ok, do you see the pid of amarok in htop?
[05:24] <allan_> yup
[05:24] <DaSkreech> I guess devkinetic got it sorted
[05:24] <allan_> and on ksysguard
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> kill -9 it
[05:24] <Nyle> hey hitmanWilly check this out
[05:24] <Nyle> excuse the spam for a sec please, pardon
[05:24] <Nyle> mp3:  Theory in Practice - Colonizing The Sun - The Clockwork That Counts Aeons
[05:24] <allan_> here's the new error message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29882/
[05:24] <Nyle> see now look
[05:24] <Nyle> exec - -o echo "mp3:  `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player artist` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player album` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned  amarok player title`"
[05:24] <Nyle> thats my mp3 alias
[05:25] <Nyle> i run irssi on a remote server
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:25] <Nyle> while music plays on here.  if it weren't for dcop i dunno what i woulda done
[05:25] <Nyle> dcop ftw!
[05:26] <Nyle> passworless ssh and dcop man
[05:26] <Nyle> you can make anything happen on a remote machine
[05:26] <Nyle> well, not anything, and only with kde
[05:26] <Nyle> hehe
[05:27] <keegan> why is it kde themes usually install using a sh script instead of installing via a manager like gnome does?  Is there a good reason for this?
[05:27] <hitmanWilly> allan_: ok, try logging out and back in
[05:27] <allan_> I did that.. I am now even on GNOME
[05:27] <DaSkreech> keegan: sounds more like a question for #kde
[05:27] <allan_> i logged in and out of kubuntu the same thing happened
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> allan_: maybe ask in #amarok, this sounds like more of an app issue
[05:28] <keegan> DaSckreech: yeaah, but it seemed like no one was there, I am not attacking kde, I am curious
[05:28] <allan_> ok.. maybe, I'll just delete the configuration files if nothing works
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> allan_: that won't help here, im pretty sure
[05:29] <premier_> how can I quickly free up some space on my file system?
[05:29] <Nyle> delete the pr0n?
[05:29] <Nyle> j/k
[05:30] <allan_> okay. how do I go to #amarok? I'm new with this
[05:30] <facugaich> I was thinking exactly the same
[05:30] <premier_> Nyle: thanks for the help
[05:30] <Nyle> type /join #amarok
[05:30] <Nyle> premier_: anytime buddy
[05:30] <allan_> ok
[05:30] <Nyle> premier_: maybe delete temp
[05:30] <Nyle> premier_: sudo apt-get clean
[05:30] <premier_> Nyle: seriously, I tried apt-get clean, and nothing seem to happen
[05:30] <Nyle> premier_: delete stuff from /tmp
[05:30] <Nyle> premier_: how much space do you have?
[05:30] <Nyle> and what have you installed.  Uninstall stuff you don't need
[05:31] <premier_> 0 Bytes
[05:31] <Nyle> sudo apt-get install deborphan && sudo apt-get --purge remove `deborphan`
[05:31] <premier_> and apparently tmp was empty too
[05:31] <premier_> Nyle: what does that do?
[05:31] <Nyle> omg
[05:31] <allan_> there's nobody on #amarok :((
[05:31] <Nyle> ahh boy
[05:32] <Nyle> premier_: why don't you install deborphan and man deborphan
[05:32] <Nyle> read :)
[05:32] <Nyle> !info deborphan
[05:32] <premier_> well, installing and then removing a package sounds like circular *ss kissing... besides, I don't think I have the space
[05:32] <ubotu> deborphan: Find orphaned libraries. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7.23 (feisty), package size 69 kB, installed size 420 kB
[05:32] <premier_> I think I'll just use gparted to fix it
[05:32] <Dr_Willis_> installed size 420 kB
[05:32] <Nyle> premier_: umm?
[05:32] <Nyle> what?
[05:32] <allan_> !synce-kde
[05:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about synce-kde - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:32] <Dr_Willis_> if you dont have that space... you need to be investing in some more HD..
[05:33] <Nyle> premier_: what are you talking about circular kissing
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> premier_: how long are you waiting for amarok to start up the first time you run it?
[05:33] <Nyle> you're not installing a package and then removing it
[05:33] <Nyle> what the shiz are you going on about?
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> sorry, allan_ see above
[05:33] <facugaich> Nyle: he's talking about <Nyle> sudo apt-get install deborphan && sudo apt-get --purge remove `deborphan`
[05:34] <Nyle> facugaich: yeh and?
[05:34] <Dr_Willis_> apt-get install cowsay fortune
[05:34] <Dr_Willis_> fortune | cowsay
[05:34] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[05:34] <premier_> I can't say the "a" word on #kubnutu... anyway... how much space should / have? I have a seprate /home partition
[05:34] <Nyle> whats wrong with what I said?
[05:34] <facugaich> that it looks as if deborphan is installed and then immediately removed
[05:34] <Nyle> omg!
[05:34] <facugaich> *it looks as if*
[05:35] <allan_> before, amarok ran smoothly, i didnt have to wait
[05:35] <premier_> Nyle: sorry, I though 6Gb was enough
[05:35] <Nyle> facugaich: premier_:  it installs deborphan.  then you run apt-get --purge remove on `deborphan` not deborphan
[05:35] <Nyle> facugaich: premier_: that runs apt-get remove on the output of deborphan
[05:35] <Nyle> not on deborphan it self
[05:36] <Nyle> this way you can remove a list of orphaned packages instead of having to type them in manually from the output of running deborphan
[05:36] <Nyle> that make any sense yet?
[05:36] <devkinetic> hey guys thanks for you help again, i got my codecs all installed, but kaffeine still isn't playing my files
[05:36] <facugaich> :) I knew there was something else, just didn't know what
[05:36] <Nyle> :)
[05:37] <Nyle> I recommend you learn the shell you plan on using :)
[05:37] <devkinetic> anyone know why kaffeine won't play my video files right, i believe they are xvid
[05:37] <Nyle> devkinetic: kaffeine also uses w32codecs
[05:38] <Nyle> devkinetic: do you have w32coedecs installed?
[05:38] <Nyle> !w32codecs
[05:38] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[05:38] <facugaich> Nyle: I knew what the `s do, hadn't noticed them
[05:38] <devkinetic> yes i followed the instructions on they site and extracted them to /usr/lib.win32
[05:38] <Nyle> devkinetic: you don't have to extract anything
[05:38] <devkinetic> sorry . = /
[05:39] <Nyle> devkinetic: see what ubotu just said
[05:39] <devkinetic> Nyle, they were zipped
[05:39] <Nyle> devkinetic: remove what you just unpacked.  then install the package called w32codecs after you add the repository in sources
[05:39] <Nyle> devkinetic: just read the link ubotu just pasted.
[05:40] <Nyle> devkinetic: alternately you can wget the package from the repository and dpkg -i it
[05:40] <SlimG> How do I save a mms:// videostream to file? possibly with CLI if possible
[05:40] <Nyle> mplayer should do it with output to file, I dunno how, but it should be able to
[05:41] <Nyle> ask in #mplayer or read the manpage
[05:41] <Nyle> I recommend the latter
[05:42] <SlimG> Nyle: Thank you
[05:42] <Nyle> sure
[05:43] <devkinetic> Nyle: ok im adding it to sources, which components do i want?
[05:44] <Nyle> devkinetic: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:44] <devkinetic> Nyle: thats easier
[05:44] <Nyle> and I think it unpacks to /usr/lib/codec
[05:44] <Nyle> I might be wrong
[05:44] <devkinetic> do i have to add it to sources b4 i can run that?
[05:45] <Nyle> yes
[05:45] <Nyle> you have to add the mirror
[05:45] <Nyle> deb http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/ feisty-seveas all
[05:45] <devkinetic> im still on edgy
[05:45] <Nyle> apt-get update && apt-get install w32codecs
[05:45] <Nyle> well then i dunno
[05:45] <devkinetic> i got it :]
[05:45] <Nyle> Im new to ubuntu
[05:45] <DaSkreech> try edgy-seveas
[05:46] <devkinetic> less so than me
[05:51] <wers> my amarok is working now!
[05:51] <wers> I just deleted the configuration files
[05:52] <wers> this is allan_ by the way :D
[05:52] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:56] <intelikey> how is "runlevel" normally set ?
[05:56] <DaSkreech> iniittab
[05:56] <intelikey> no
[05:57] <intelikey> not selected   set ?
[05:57] <intelikey> tty1 [root@~]  runlevel
[05:57] <intelikey> unknown
[05:57] <intelikey> tty1 [root@~]
[05:59] <intelikey> anyone ?
[05:59] <rich1> where is the restricted drivers manager in kubuntu?
[05:59] <DaSkreech> !upstart
[05:59] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[06:00] <rich1> !restricted drivers
[06:00] <rich1> and how do i call the bot?
[06:00] <clouder> rich1: type sudo restricted-manager I think in konsole
[06:01] <DaSkreech> !restricted
[06:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:01] <premier_> how much space should I give root?  I have a seperate /home partition for documents, so I only need enough space for OS files... and it seems that 6GB isn't enough
[06:01] <DaSkreech> premier_: I gave it 7 GB
[06:01] <rich1> clouder: is it the same one as in ubuntu?  i'm going to reinstall on a new hard drive and want this to be as clean as possible.
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> rich1: it isn't installed by default in kubuntu, you have to get it
[06:01] <DaSkreech>  Unless you have a serious number of people using it each iwth multiple needs that shoudl be god
[06:01] <rich1> !restricted
[06:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:02] <DaSkreech> good
[06:02] <rich1> DaSkreech: thanks.
[06:03] <intelikey> premier_ at least 3g
[06:03] <rich1> hitmanWilly: thanks.  i just apt searched and got it.
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> rich1: generally i prefer the cmd line method myself, but whatever works :)
[06:04] <intelikey> so no one here knows how the runlevel veriable is normally set   assuming it's a variable...   ?
[06:04] <premier_> DaSkreech: maybe I'll give it 8GB eh?  Because I have 0 Bytes of free space and I can't even bring up kde... I don't want to have to repartition *again*, eh?
[06:04] <DaSkreech> intelikey: It used to be in /etc/inittab
[06:04] <rich1> hitmanWilly: yeah. aptitude search rest...
[06:04] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Read the upstart docs to see how it's done now
[06:04] <intelikey> DaSkreech no never was.
[06:05] <Minataku> !init
[06:05] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[06:05] <rich1> !dude
[06:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dude - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:05] <Minataku> :3
[06:05] <DaSkreech> premier_: You haev /home and / on the same partition ?
[06:05] <intelikey> and i'm not using upstart  plus the link you posted had nothing on it.
[06:05] <intelikey> nothing on how "runlevel" was set     just to clearify
[06:05] <Minataku> !init | intelikey
[06:05] <ubotu> intelikey: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[06:06] <premier_> DaSkreech: no, the opposite... I gave / 6Gb and /home about 70Gb
[06:06] <intelikey> Minataku do you have any idea how it's set ?
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: i don't think its a variable, i think 'runlevel' is an app that checks which runlevel the machine is using
[06:06] <intelikey> Minataku is it in /init.d/rc  ?
[06:06] <DaSkreech> premier_: What they heck do you have installed?
[06:06] <intelikey> hitmanWilly yes exactly.  and how is the information it checks, set ?
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: not sure :(
[06:07] <Minataku> intelikey: Read the links, I think
[06:07] <Minataku> I know on Gentoo, there are scripts in /etc/init.d/
[06:07] <Minataku> And... some command is used to muck with them
[06:07] <Minataku> I haven't used it in a while
[06:07] <Minataku> rc-update I think
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> Minataku: rc-update
[06:08] <Minataku> I was right :D
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> Minataku: update-rc.d is its euivalent in buntu
[06:08] <intelikey> Minataku in ubuntu it's update-rc.d  but that has nothing to do whith what i'm asking
[06:08] <premier_> DaSkreech: well, I was preparing an install for a usb pen drive, and I forgot that I was putting it in /media (under root)... so that took up about 2GB
[06:08] <DaSkreech> ah
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: well, where does it call the particular runlevel?
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: are you using sys V init then?
[06:09] <DaSkreech> premier_: so uninstall OO.o and wine and any useless kernels
[06:09] <Minataku> intelikey: Sorry :P
[06:09] <DaSkreech> that should give you near a half gig of breathing room
[06:09] <intelikey> hitmanWilly no wrote my own.   just didn't allow for "runlevel"    so let me post one more time...
[06:09] <Minataku> I successfully built a FreeBSD kernel today :D
[06:09] <intelikey> tty1 [root@~]  runlevel
[06:09] <intelikey> unknown
[06:09] <intelikey> tty1 [root@~]
[06:10] <Minataku> intelikey: If you wrote your own init, then you should know
[06:10] <intelikey> that's what i get  ^   should be     9
[06:10] <qlr> hi
[06:10] <Minataku> Though why you'd write your own under *buntu confounds me
[06:10] <Minataku> Really, the only place I could see a custom init is LFS
[06:11] <hitmanWilly> Minataku: this IS intelikey you're talking about here, tho :)
[06:11] <Minataku> Heh
[06:11] <Minataku> True XD
[06:11] <intelikey> Minataku cause i have ubuntu form scratch  i guess...
[06:11] <qlr> my question is, can i install kubuntu on a (nvidia) raid0 array?
[06:11] <Minataku> qlr: Is it supported?
[06:11] <Minataku> If yes, then yes
[06:11] <Minataku> If no, then no
[06:11] <hitmanWilly> qlr: if its hardware raid, then probably
[06:11] <Minataku> Wait... isn't RAID0 useless-RAID?
[06:11] <qlr> Minataku: i don't know, how do i find out?
[06:12] <Minataku> If it offers no redundancy, it's not RAID
[06:12] <Minataku> It's trash
[06:12] <Minataku> It's also incredibly dangerous
[06:12] <qlr> hitmanWilly: it's hardware raid, i managed to install xp there, but vista has no drivers yet....
[06:12] <Minataku> Considering a failure of one HDD in a no-redundancy stripe means EVERYTHING is trashed
[06:12] <premier_> how can I move an entire directory structure from the commandline?  I want to move /media/portcompy and all its contents to /home/level1/portcompy... btw, Its on another partition
[06:13] <niclas> Godmorning
[06:13] <Minataku> !raid
[06:13] <ubotu> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[06:13] <premier_> Minataku: whats the mean time to failure on typical hardware, do you know?
[06:13] <Minataku> But there's your link
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> premier_: the --recursive flag
[06:13] <intelikey> premier_ mv /media/portcompy /dest/
[06:13] <qlr> Minataku: it is fast as hell, 2x80 seagate 7200.10 disks, i don't store anything there only windows, program files and some games
[06:13] <premier_> Minataku: for raid zero, that is?
[06:13] <Minataku> premier_: It's better to do it per drive
[06:13] <Minataku> And there's two values to consider
[06:13] <DaSkreech> premier_: mv  /media/portcompy /home/level1/
[06:14] <Minataku> IMR and MTBF
[06:14] <Minataku> Infant Mortality Rate is the first one, and it's from 0sec to about 1mo
[06:14] <Dr_Willis_> "Mean Time Between Failures" - The after you Fail Your Biology Midterm, and take it out on your dog........
[06:14] <Minataku> After that, I'd typically give them, oh, 5 to 10 years
[06:14] <rich1> will kubuntu install bcm43xx firmware when i install fwcutter?
[06:15] <Minataku> For harddrives, I'll be more conservative and say 3 to 7
[06:15] <Dr_Willis_> Google - had some Info on Their hard drive failure rates.. it was sort of intereesting read.
[06:15] <Minataku> rich1: It might
[06:15] <Dr_Willis_> rich1:  it did for me.
[06:15] <rich1> should i install restricted-manager first?
[06:15] <Minataku> As for brand failure possibility, they all fail at more or less the same rates and percentages
[06:15] <Minataku> I've heard bad things about all the HDD makers in equal quantities :3
[06:15] <Minataku> intelikey: My Toshiba T1200 has a 20MB HDD
[06:16] <Minataku> Still works perfectly
[06:16] <Minataku> And it's from 1987
[06:16] <premier_> what does "mv: inter-device move failed; unable to remove target: Is a directory" mean?
[06:16] <qlr> Minataku: i would like to point out that Maxtor is the worst, died a 80gig hard after 83 dayz....
[06:16] <Minataku> premier_: You're trying to move a file from one device to another but the source is a directory
[06:16] <Minataku> qlr: That's IMR, and they all have that possibilty
[06:16] <premier_> Minataku: so how do I move a file?
[06:16] <intelikey> yeah i have two from mid 80's but can't say flawless.  had to low level them both over the past 22 years they have been in service
[06:17] <intelikey> one's 42m the other 33 m
[06:17] <Minataku> premier_: Don't move a file from one device to another device where there's a directory with the same name
[06:17] <qlr> Minataku: they all have, but maxtors is the biggest....
[06:17] <Dr_Willis_> premier_:  could just cheat and use 'mc' :)
[06:17] <Minataku> Like I said, there's two periods where hardware is prone to fail
[06:17] <Minataku> Within a month or two out of the box
[06:17] <Minataku> And after several years
[06:18] <Minataku> And that's both electromechanical and solid-state
[06:18] <Dr_Willis_> and after the kids put it in the dishwasher. :)
[06:18] <Minataku> Dr_Willis_: Extenuating circumstances ;3
[06:18] <Minataku> So, Dr_Willis_... where are my Amigas? XD
[06:18] <DaSkreech> premier_: mv  /media/portcompy /home/level1/
[06:18] <qlr> then probably i will buy another hard, and put it into raid5....
[06:19] <intelikey> dr_willis or you have tstorms knock out all appliances in the house...
[06:19] <Dr_Willis_> Minataku:  no idea yet ;) been cleanign the basement.
[06:19] <Minataku> If that still gives you trouble, premier_, make it mv /media/portcompy /home/level1/portcompy
[06:19] <Minataku> Dr_Willis_: Heehee... find anything good down there?
[06:19] <Dr_Willis_> heh. still got the guests..
[06:19] <Minataku> STILL!?
[06:19] <Minataku> Buncha freeloaders
[06:19] <Minataku> lol
[06:19] <Dr_Willis_> Kid wanted to watch 'batman' - SO i found "BatThumb"
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:19] <Dr_Willis_> Minataku:  Yep.. they are retired.. so they can spend the MONTH.
[06:19] <Dr_Willis_> and then some
[06:19] <Minataku> Sucks >.<
[06:20] <Dr_Willis_> Wife asked me if id seen batthumb..  Is it safe for kids.. heh ?
[06:20] <Minataku> If you can, try to make some time to get those Amigas out... please? XD
[06:20] <Dr_Willis_> Ive never seen it  got it for $2 at a rummage sale
[06:20] <Minataku> rofl
[06:20] <premier_> does mv delete the source when it finishes?
[06:20] <intelikey> Dr_Willis_  yeah. but you only have one wife right ?    you're still a batchular
[06:20] <Minataku> premier_: Yes
[06:20] <Minataku> Bachelors are unmarried
[06:20] <Minataku> Typically specific to never-married males
[06:21] <Dr_Willis_> Minataku:  been wantint to copy stuff over from the amigas to my pc for my Emulator ussage.. but havent even had time for that.   I got one amiga that i know works.. gotta test out the other 2.  XD
[06:22] <Minataku> Lucky? X3
[06:22] <Dr_Willis_> Lucky? Free? Prime Suspect?
[06:22] <Minataku> There's thousands of off-color answers to fill in
[06:22] <Minataku> Haha, that's a good one
[06:23] <premier_> is there anything for kde/ubuntu/linux/whatever that can warn me when my drives are filling up?  a dialog box saying "hey! you getting kinda tight here aren't you?"
[06:23] <Minataku> Good question
[06:23] <Dr_Willis_> premier_:  i think thers some karamba/superkaramba applets. and perhaps a Panel applet.
[06:23] <Minataku> You notice that when people say things like "Good question"... it's because they can't answer it? ;3
[06:23] <Dr_Willis_> with 500GB HD's in the $100 range. now. :) i havent had much space issues latly
[06:24] <intelikey> mandrake had fs full warning  years ago  i'm sure there is.
[06:24] <premier_> It'd be nice if there was a daemon... I'll just write one
[06:24] <Minataku> Make sure that at least the root drive has it's reserved area
[06:24] <Minataku> Reserved for root, that is
[06:24] <premier_> Dr_Willis_: yeah, but this is in a laptop, kinda hard to swap out the hard drives and laptop hdds are $$$
[06:24] <Minataku> After that, you may have to account for it in the script
[06:24] <premier_> Minataku: actually, thats the problem
[06:25] <Dr_Willis_> wmmount - miniature mount utility and free space monitoring tool
[06:25] <Minataku> premier_: A drive running 100% out of space even for root is VERY BAD NEWS
[06:25] <Dr_Willis_> Time to clean out the porn! :)
[06:25] <intelikey> Minataku may i ask, have you ever experimented with full fs's ?
[06:25] <Minataku> It'll usually break EVERYTHING
[06:25] <Dr_Willis_> Speaking of which.... nah..  i wont start..
[06:25] <Minataku> intelikey: No, but I've seen plenty of issues caused by one
[06:25] <hitmanWilly> Dr_Willis_: do wm dock apps even run under kde?
[06:26] <Dr_Willis_> hitmanWilly:  you can add a wmdock panel just for them
[06:26] <premier_> yeah, I had 0 Bytes left... kde wouldn't boot, apt wouldn't run, I couldn't even access man pages
[06:26] <intelikey> Minataku hmm well i have filled the hd many times.  never caused any problems really
[06:26] <Minataku> Bingo
[06:26] <Dr_Willis_> One reason id MUCH perfer to see more dockapps/panelapps then Gdesklet/karamba applets
[06:26] <Minataku> intelikey: You probably had the root-reserve
[06:26] <Minataku> It's placed by default
[06:26] <intelikey> Minataku and that with 0% reserved
[06:26] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, that's cool
[06:26] <Minataku> When you mkfs
[06:26] <Dr_Willis_> Thats becayse you are just sooooooooo cooool intelikey
[06:26] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[06:26] <hitmanWilly> well, i suppose it makes sense since i know you can run kicker on top of wm
[06:27] <Minataku> Haha
[06:27] <Dr_Willis_> Our Hero!
[06:27] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[06:27] <hero> no, that's me
[06:27] <Dr_Willis_> Our OTHER hero!
[06:27] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[06:27] <hero> :D
[06:27] <Minataku> intelikey: You probably had some key mounts on other partitions
[06:27] <premier_> I never changed root-reserve (or whatever) and it still happened to me... maybe because I was doing it as root?
[06:27] <Minataku> I'm talking a two or three partition system
[06:27] <intelikey> Dr_Willis_   heh.  just like to debunch the fluff
[06:27] <Minataku> root and swap or boot, root and swap
[06:27] <premier_> actually, I couldn't run "sudo shutdown now" because I had so little space
[06:28] <hero> Dr_Willis_: you'd be surprised how often that highlight is triggered. i should have thought twice about this nick.
[06:28] <Minataku> intelikey: Debunking and potentially leading people into dangerous situations are two far different things
[06:28] <intelikey> Minataku 0 partitions.   no swap.   0% reserved.   that's how i've come to always set one up
[06:28] <Minataku> Fact is, you do NOT want to run low on space on /
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> hero: tack _sandwich at the end :)
[06:28] <Minataku> intelikey: Yes, well, you're an idiot, too
[06:28] <hero> hitmanWilly: haha
[06:28] <Dr_Willis_> HeroZero
[06:28] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[06:28] <Minataku> I would never suggest ANYONE follow such bad advice
[06:28] <Dr_Willis_> Hero4Hire
[06:29] <intelikey> yeah.   provavly so.   point being that reserved space is not needed for a desktop system
[06:29] <premier_> hero_sandwich= worst name ever
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Minataku: No I've said Good question for something I can answer I was just glad the person was astute enough to see the need for the question
[06:29] <heroki> !offtopic
[06:29] <heroki> :D
[06:29] <Dr_Willis_> Hero_Sandwich_Hold_The_Mayo
[06:29] <Minataku> DaSkreech: That's the other situation
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> yeah, but i bet no one has it :)
[06:29] <Minataku> But typically it's because they can't answer it
[06:29] <premier_> uh oh... now X wont run... I have 900MB of free space!
[06:30] <Minataku> Dr_Willis_: That would be so retarded
[06:30] <Minataku> XD
[06:30] <premier_> I can get to kdm, but if I try to log in it crashes
[06:30] <Dr_Willis_> Minataku:  yet i see it asked about all the time.
[06:30] <intelikey> DaSkreech good answer  :)
[06:30] <Dr_Willis_> Minataku:  on the amiga. i could copy a floppy to the RAD: disk, then boot off the RAD: disk. :)
[06:30] <Minataku> Heehee
[06:31] <Dr_Willis_> Rad Disk - Ram disk that survived reboots.
[06:31] <Minataku> The Toshiba T1200 has a hardware RAMdisk too
[06:31] <Minataku> It's got 1MB of RAM, but I've never managed to get any more than 640k working in DOS
[06:31] <Dr_Willis_> seeing these new laptops with 1 gb 'readyboost' thing for Vista. ya could put a whole Linux disrto in them.
[06:31] <Minataku> The upper space is either usable for... something or as a RAMdisk through hardware
[06:31] <Dr_Willis_> wonder how well that would work.
[06:32] <Minataku> As long as there's power, the RAMdisk will hold data
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> Dr_Willis_: is that like the turbo button on old desktops?
[06:32] <intelikey> Dr_Willis_   good question
[06:32] <Dr_Willis_> hitmanWilly:  :) the 'slow down bards tale so its playable button' :)
[06:32] <DaSkreech> intelikey: heehee
[06:32] <Minataku> intelikey: I'd ask if you like being an ass, but everybody knows that it's fun to be an ass
[06:32] <Minataku> lol
[06:32] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[06:33] <intelikey> Minataku no i was serious.  linux all in ram sounds like a plan
[06:33] <Dr_Willis_> Night all.. im a TiredAss.
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:33] <Dr_Willis_> intelikey:  its not really 'ram' - its like some sort of USB-Meomory Stick built into the MB.
[06:33] <Minataku> intelikey: It's more or less called a LiveCD
[06:33] <Dr_Willis_> Wonder if it has a limited lifespan like other flashmedia
[06:34] <Minataku> All Flash has limited rewrite
[06:34] <Minataku> It's getting longer, but still
[06:34] <premier_> hey, when I try to login in from kdm, I get a flash (like X restarting) and then I just see the kdm screen again (X restarted?) what do I do?
[06:34] <hitmanWilly> Dr_Willis_: i think its that hybrid ram/flash thing ive heard about
[06:34] <intelikey> Minataku no.  live CD's generally keep reading from the cd which makes them incredably slow.
[06:34] <Dr_Willis_> BUt its only in a few laptops at this time..    so ive not seen one.
[06:34] <Minataku> intelikey: Some have the option to copy entirely to a RAMdisk
[06:34] <Dr_Willis_> I have seen little 'usb thimb drives' that you plug directly into the USB header on a motherboard.
[06:34] <intelikey> Minataku there are a few that can load all in ram.  yes.
[06:34] <Dr_Willis_> well night all.
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Night
[06:35] <premier_> does anyone have any ideas?  like which log I should look at or something?  I'm freaking out here!
[06:35] <Minataku> intelikey: Sorry, BTW, I'm a bit cranky ATM XD
[06:35] <DaSkreech> premier_: ~/.xsessionerrors
[06:35] <Minataku> Crap... I'll bbiab
[06:35] <Minataku> >.<
[06:36] <premier_> DaSkreech: no such file
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> premier_: xorg.0.log IIRC
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> premier_: or .1.log
[06:36] <premier_> also, why do the people who make bash think that I need a loud beep when I reach the end of a line?
[06:36] <DaSkreech> premier_: yeah there is ~/.xsession-errors ?
[06:36] <Nyle>
[06:37] <Nyle> mine is like 80mb
[06:37] <intelikey> premier_ kill kdm   and login into the console and run   startx   so you can see what it does
[06:37] <Nyle> I should delete it
[06:37] <DaSkreech> premier_: cause it lets you know youare at the end of the line
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Nyle: You don't run logrotate?
[06:37] <Nyle> nope
[06:38] <Nyle> i like it all in one place
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Nyle: Maybe it's time :)
[06:38] <premier_> DaSkreech: well, I don't need to have my ears blown out to know that
[06:38] <intelikey> premier_  end of a line   beep ???
[06:38] <premier_> its very loud, its why I don't use the command line
[06:38] <DaSkreech> premier_: ah that would be you MB manufacturer
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Mine is muted to the point where I'm considering a visual bell
[06:39] <hitmanWilly> premier_: just disable the pc speaker in the bios
[06:39] <intelikey> sudo modprobe -r pcspeaker
[06:39] <premier_> intelikey: yeah, if you delete all the text in a line, or try to go before the begining, or try to go to the end of a "more" list
[06:39] <premier_> won't that break my laptop speakers?  its a laptop
[06:40] <premier_> I get a bunch of stuff like "cannot open divece /dev/input/wacom"  (this is on startx
[06:40] <premier_> and it says stuff about fonts
[06:40] <intelikey> premier_ that's standard warning tone.     either remove the module or set the tone.
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> premier_: that's normal
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> premier_: unless you have a wacom tablet :)
[06:41] <DaSkreech> which is not normal
[06:41] <premier_> Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
[06:42] <intelikey> premier_ try this.    setterm -bfreq 440
[06:42] <premier_> the last line is "FreeFontPath: FPE "usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
[06:42] <premier_> thats it
[06:42] <intelikey> and test the standard warning tone
[06:42] <premier_> its lower, but its still a little annoying
[06:43] <premier_> can't s
[06:43] <intelikey> set to 0  for off
[06:43] <premier_> can't I set the duration to 0?
[06:43] <intelikey> or 1  1 works well
[06:43] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: or he could set it beyond the human aural capacity :)
[06:44] <premier_> okay, seriously guys, how do I fix my X?  I don't understand why it would decide to stop working like this
[06:44] <hitmanWilly> tho i doubt it'd go that high...
[06:44] <intelikey> hitmanWilly lappy   yeah i think so.
[06:45] <hitmanWilly> be some pissed off dogs :P
[06:45] <MarcC-away> premier_, I just got here, but what's up?
[06:45] <intelikey> premier_ no E  error lines in the output ?
[06:46] <ardchoille> premier_: Anything in ~/.xsession=errors?
[06:46] <premier_> intelikey: well, yeah the ones about wacom tablets... there may be some above the top of the screen but I can't see them, and I don't think I can divert them to a file since they're error output
[06:46] <intelikey> MarcC dead desktop environment,      is what i gather.     xorg is working.
[06:47] <intelikey> premier_ is that from startx  ?
[06:47] <hitmanWilly> later all
[06:47] <intelikey> premier_ or you still looking in ~/.files
[06:47] <premier_> intelikey: yeah
[06:48] <premier_> I'm looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log now...
[06:48] <intelikey> it's not likely to be there,   try running startx
[06:48] <intelikey> there is nothing wrong with x
[06:48] <intelikey> it's your user session
[06:48] <premier_> AIGLX complains about something and says that it reverts to software rendering
[06:49] <premier_> intelikey: shouldn't I be able to run a different desktop environment?  I tried gnome, xgl, a few other things to
[06:49] <premier_> too
[06:49] <MarcC> premier_, you can change "aiglx" to "vesa" and try startx
[06:49] <MarcC> in xorg.conf that is
[06:49] <Nyle> what
[06:49] <Nyle> MarcC: what are you talking about?
[06:50] <Nyle> aiglx is not a video driver afaik
[06:50] <intelikey> well.  if xorg was hosed you wouldn't have the kdm login prompt
[06:50] <intelikey> soooo
[06:50] <MarcC> doh,I'm too late to the conversation...and I was thinking fglrx for some reason :P
[06:51] <premier_> god damn it... fglrx won't let me switch from a console to kdm once kdm is already running
[06:51] <premier_> I hate ati so much
[06:51] <Nyle> umm
[06:51] <Nyle> tty2 == alt + ctrl+ f2
[06:51] <premier_> Nyle: yeah, I know that much
[06:51] <intelikey> MarcC any clue what sets the 'runlevel' variable  in normal sysv ?   is it in a script in /etc/init.d/  ?
[06:51] <Nyle> premier_: and you can't get to console from there?
[06:52] <Nyle> using tha
[06:52] <premier_> Nyle: but kdm runs of tty7, right?  I can't switch to tty7 from the console... there isn't a video driver that will run on my machine that will let me
[06:52] <premier_> Nyle: what?
[06:52] <MarcC> intelikey, I'm thinking /etc/inittab for some reason
[06:53] <premier_> Nyle: If I'm in an x session I can't go to a terminal session.  If I'm in a terminal session I can't go to an X session
[06:53] <Nyle> Nyle: premier_ video drivers have ntohing to do with it
[06:53] <intelikey> MarcC nah  it only selects a default runlevel   doesn't have anything to do with setting the varible
[06:53] <premier_> it just doesn't go
[06:53] <Nyle> premier_: yes you can
[06:53] <premier_> Nyle: do you use fglrx?
[06:53] <Nyle> yes
[06:53] <premier_> well, you must have some magical version that I can't get
[06:53] <intelikey> i'll find a copy of the sysv scripts and have a look.
[06:53] <Nyle> well why don't you start xterm under X and type sudo chvt 2
[06:54] <Nyle> see what the output or outcome is
[06:54] <premier_> because I'm in tty3, I can move to tty2 and tty5 and tty1, but not tty7
[06:54] <Nyle> using alt+ctrl+f7?
[06:54] <MarcC> premier_, what happens if you type startx now?
[06:55] <Nyle> MarcC: it will spawn another Xserver on display :x+1
[06:55] <Nyle> if one is currently running
[06:55] <premier_> Nyle: yeah, I can go to a blank screen with a cursor with chvt 7... but I can't do it with alt-ctrl-f7
[06:55] <Nyle> you should be able to
[06:55] <MarcC> well, if there is an X problem with fglrx and another problem with runlevels, I'd change xorg.conf to use vesa for now, just to get that out of the way
[06:55] <MarcC> but...
[06:55] <MarcC> I'm late to the party
[06:56] <intelikey> MarcC the two are not related.    his is x related.  my Q was about runlevel variable.   not related.
[06:57] <MarcC> ok, thanks
[06:57] <premier_> okay, running X as root (sudo startx) logged me into gnome
[06:58] <intelikey> don't tell me you did that...
[06:58] <intelikey> won your home.
[06:59] <intelikey> kill the gui and    sudo chown `whoami`:$HOME -R
[06:59] <intelikey> then startx    without sudo
[07:01] <intelikey> heh s/won/own/
[07:02] <arun> Hey people
[07:02] <intelikey> where ?
[07:02] <arun> How do I set KOffice to be my default Office suite? I don't want to open things with OpenOffice
[07:03] <intelikey> is that an alternative ?
[07:03] <DaSkreech> I just got rid of OO.o
[07:03] <arun> DaSkreech: I'm thinking of doing the same. I don't really need it, right? It doesn't work very well on my computer, and I really like KOffice
[07:05] <DaSkreech> arun: Nope as long as you aren't doing presentations
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Kpresenter is kinda weak
[07:05] <DaSkreech> hi nikkiana
[07:05] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech
[07:06] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Hoare you?
[07:06] <arun> DaSkreech: No presentations. By the way, KSpread is so cool! I just worked with it, much better than Excel in my opinion
[07:06] <arun> As in, for my uses
[07:06] <arun> The pre-installed templates are great
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:07] <DaSkreech> pretty good
[07:08] <arun> DaSkreech: KPresenter no good?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Nope
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Desperatle needs some love
[07:08] <arun> Why so?
[07:08] <ShockValue> sweetness, i finally got fglrx going right.
[07:08] <DaSkreech>  and a mate
[07:09] <arun> haha
[07:09] <arun> what's wrong withit?
[07:09] <DaSkreech>  and Emil
[07:09] <MarcC> what's that cool presentations program that inputs PDFs?
[07:09] <arun> keynote?
[07:09] <MarcC> ah, keyjnote
[07:09] <MarcC> that one is pretty slick
[07:09] <DaSkreech> Yep
[07:10] <arun> That's just for OS X, right?
[07:10] <MarcC> no, not Keynote, KeyJNote
[07:10] <MarcC> two different programs
[07:10] <premier_> intelikey: I moved a file I was preparing to install into /home... and some of the files were owned by root  (it was a debootstrap install into a directory)  anyway, would that really cause me not to be able to log in to kde?
[07:10] <arun> Oh, I didn't know
[07:10] <MarcC> one is for OS X, the other one is cool
[07:10] <arun> hahaha
[07:11] <MarcC> http://www.vimeo.com/193253
[07:11] <MarcC> that's the one
[07:11] <intelikey> premier_ using sudo startx  will probably hose the ownership on several files     and yes that will make it fail for user login
[07:11] <arun> I might have to move all my stuff to a new computer soon, is it possible to move all my settings and files to another computer?   I don't really understand that... my home is owned anyway
[07:12] <MarcC> sure, that's why people keep /home on a separate partition
[07:12] <dsmith> keynote kicks butt
[07:12] <intelikey> premier_ maybe  :)
[07:13] <Nyle> I can't breath through my nose, and my head hurts :(
[07:13] <dsmith> ooops keyjnote, correction
[07:13] <arun> MarcC: mine isn't on a separate partition
[07:14] <MarcC> arun, right, I'm just saying people do that to keep it portable...but yes, I've seen other people just transfer /home and it seems to work fine
[07:14] <intelikey> premier_ in the future if you want to startx as root  use   sudo -i   then issue startx from that shell.
[07:14] <dsmith> Nyle: I suggest climbing to about 25000 AGL and do a quick emergency depressurization, that surely would clean out your sinuses... :P
[07:14] <Nyle> arun: try to keep it there.  Then when you change distros to screw your system up or reinstall, your home will be unaffected while you chill out and just mount that partition as /home
[07:14] <arun> MarcC: so i just need to back up /home and move it to the new computer?
[07:14] <Nyle> dsmith: oh man, I wish I could
[07:14] <MarcC> arun, read this
[07:14] <MarcC> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127285
[07:15] <arun> Thanks MarcC
[07:15] <MarcC> you might see some weird stuff, but it'll be way nicer than starting from scratch
[07:15] <Nyle> hey if you spell your nick backwaards like Nura its kinda like mine
[07:15] <intelikey> premier_ also be careful not to use sudo on gui apps.  use the respective alternative for the env.   gksudo or kdesu   and so forth
[07:15] <arun> heh
[07:15] <Nyle> intelikey: why/
[07:15] <dsmith> Nyle: sometimes, i can drain my sinuses by breathing in through my nose real hard.
[07:15] <premier_> why does sudo shutdown now send me back to the command line?
[07:15] <devkinetic> hey everyone, i meed some help getting my video files to play, i already got the win32 codecs, but kaffeine just plays 15 secionds of a black screen with no sound
[07:15] <Nyle> dsmith: that hurts the back of my neck
[07:15] <intelikey> Nyle cause you don't want root owning things in your home dir.
[07:15] <Nyle> for some reason
[07:16] <premier_> intelikey: I just figured because kdm is root, and startx was failing, that sudo startx would work
[07:16] <intelikey> premier_ yes but you were looking for why you couldn't login, not for how to make it worse.
[07:16] <devkinetic> shutdown -f ?
[07:17] <DaSkreech> !info keyjnote
[07:17] <arun> MarcC: If I move the other folders in /home as well, will the settings for various programs be saved as well? as in, my firefox/thunderbird profile, etc. if i just move it to the new computer and then install firefox, will my settings remain intact?
[07:17] <devkinetic> !codecs
[07:17] <MarcC> arun, yes welcome to the dark side >:]
[07:17] <DaSkreech> !kdesu
[07:18] <arun> MarcC: excellent
[07:18] <arun> <evil laugh>
[07:18] <CS5> Hi, anybody available to help me mount my NTFS partition?
[07:18] <arun> CSS: Shouldn't it be mounted automatically?
[07:18] <CS5> Please
[07:18] <devkinetic> yeah it picked up mine
[07:18] <MarcC> arun, the only exception would be newer software releases that have changed config file formats, but a worst case scenario would be an app that didn't pick up your old config.
[07:18] <arun> DaSkreech: I checked out KeyJNote.. I was like whaaa? I have to run this from the command line? And then I found KeyJNoteGUI
[07:19] <arun> MarcC: alright, thanks a lot
[07:19] <MarcC> np
[07:19] <devkinetic> anyone have some info for my video file trouble
[07:19] <arun> MarcC: I am planning to get a laptop, which one would you recommend?
[07:19] <intelikey> premier_ also just of passing interest.   X always runs as root.  even if a user just issues X  or Xorg   or startx     but it's designed to use the users perms and env  so if you start X from a users home with root perms you confuse an already convoluted mess
[07:19] <arun> I want to be able to run Kubuntu properly, and use wifi, etc
[07:20] <arun> I also use VMWare/Windows to test pages in Internet explorer and to work on photoshop, etc
[07:20] <MarcC> arun, I just picked up an ubuntu Dell and I've been quite happy with it (changed it to Kubuntu of course)...with the $500 off coupon I was able to max it out easily
[07:20] <ShockValue> whats the easiest way to see what packages are currently isntalled on your machine, and uninstall some of them?
[07:20] <arun> MarcC: I don't think you get a Ubuntu Dell here in Bombay
[07:20] <devkinetic> adept
[07:20] <intelikey> ShockValue dpkg -l | less
[07:21] <MarcC> arun, ah...they have announced worldwide sales but probably not yet...anyway, Asus and Lenovo laptops are brands I've heard good things about.
[07:21] <arun> MarcC: I was considering getting a Mac just for parallels, but then I found VMWare and I'm happy. Also I was labouring under the delusion that parallels is free
[07:21] <intelikey> ShockValue the  ii  packages   are installed   any  rc  or pc  are removed but their configs are still present
[07:21] <arun> MarcC: what about HP?
[07:21] <MarcC> arun, I don't have any info about HP laptops, sorry :(
[07:21] <ShockValue> cool thanks, ill give that a go
[07:21] <premier_> intelikey: if startx always runs as root, why can I run startx without entering a password?
[07:22] <devkinetic> arun, check out the dell laptops
[07:22] <intelikey> premier_ caues it's SUID
[07:22] <devkinetic> hey everyone, i meed some help getting my video files to play, i already got the win32 codecs, but kaffeine just plays 15 secionds of a black screen with no sound
[07:23] <DaSkreech> devkinetic: what kind of files are they?
[07:23] <jredburn> What files determine the path for when I run sudo? I have a command in a local path that I can find when I run normally, but not via sudo
[07:23] <MarcC> ooh, Dell just updated their software repos
[07:23] <intelikey> premier_ mount is SUID also.  as are many apps/commands on your system.
[07:23] <premier_> how do I log into a root kde session with kdm?
[07:23] <devkinetic> avi, xvid i believe
[07:23] <DaSkreech> !codecs | devkinetic
[07:23] <intelikey> premier_ can't unless you configure kdm to accept root login
[07:23] <devkinetic> lol
[07:23] <intelikey> ubotu wake up
[07:23] <DaSkreech> devkinetic: install libxine-extracodecs
[07:24] <otaku-san> hmm bots acting up again...
[07:24] <devkinetic> i got the win 32 codecs
[07:24] <premier_> intelikey: well, how do I force it to?
[07:24] <arun> MarcC, devkinetic: Alright, will check out Dell. Any model in particular, or should it work well with any Dell laptop? Also, do Dell laptops come with ATI or nVidia video cards? Do they have dual core processors? (Sorry if I'm asking too many questions :)
[07:24] <intelikey> premier_ can't unless you configure kdm to accept root login
[07:24] <premier_> intelikey: well, how do I force it to?
[07:24] <devkinetic> arun, check out the website www.dell.com
[07:24] <premier_> how do I configure it to?
[07:24] <intelikey> premier_ we seem to be at an impass.
[07:24] <otaku-san> devkinetic: there are other codecs...just check out the libxine-extracodecs
[07:24] <DaSkreech> devkinetic: did you install libxine-extracodecs ?
[07:25] <devkinetic> otaka-san: i just paste that to adept/
[07:25] <devkinetic> ?
[07:25] <intelikey> premier_ ok.   you edit /etc/kde?/kdm/kdm.conf    i think is the location
[07:25] <MarcC> arun, my dell is a T7200 dual core with an nvidia geforce go...it came with linux preinstalled, but I don't know about the non-linux models (mine is the E1505n)
[07:25] <jredburn> how do I add /opt/myprog/bin to my path for sudo?
[07:25] <premier_> intelikey: I'm sorry, I'm not in a good mood... usually when something like X breaks its my fault, but I'd pretty sure I didn't do anything this time
[07:25] <premier_> and once I go to a console window, because thats the only thing that works, I can't go back without a reboot
[07:26] <intelikey> premier_ lets try something right quick shall we...    sudo adduser blah    then on reboot login as blah.
[07:27] <otaku-san> devkinetic: I did this a long time ago...and I haven't used adept in a while..if I'm not mistaken you are going to have to change your list that tells adept what servers to go to
[07:27] <arun> MarcC: No linux for india, it comes with Vista. Blech
[07:27] <otaku-san> and put a new one on there that goes to a server with the codec on it
[07:28] <MarcC> arun, well, at least on the 1505 and other linux models, you know the hardware will work in Linux :)
[07:28] <intelikey> premier_ if that works.  my theory is correct. you have hosed permissions in your home dir   or a config file that is scrambling something   one of the two.    either way if that fails then it's a real mess and would take an act of parlement to correct
[07:28] <MarcC> you just have to pay $50 extra (at least in the US) for Vista
[07:28] <otaku-san> devkinetic: let me get you a link I think I have on this
[07:29] <devkinetic> otaka-san: i turned on all the repos, im searching right now
[07:30] <arun> MarcC: There is no E1505n available in India. The only model here as far as I can see from the Web site with nvidia geforce and dual core processor is XPS  M1330. But that has a tiny 13.3 inch screen. The others have 15.4 inch screens but low end video cards and processors
[07:30] <intelikey> premier_ if that test is successful you can simply copy everything from your home to blah's home and rm everything in your home and login as you, then copy from blah back to you.
[07:30] <ubotu> keyjnote: PDF presentation tool with eye candies. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-1 (feisty), package size 27 kB, installed size 116 kB
[07:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:30] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[07:30] <devkinetic> otaka-san: i found libxine-extracodecs
[07:30] <ubotu> devkinetic: please see above
[07:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wake up - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:30] <otaku-san> devkinetic: cool
[07:30] <intelikey> hi ubotu glad you could join us
[07:31] <arun> MarcC: brb
[07:31] <ShockValue> hrm.. im trying to give my user full access to my NFS share.. root can mount it, but the user cant access it.. the export line looks like this: /media <IP_ADDRESS>(async,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check,rw)
[07:31] <ShockValue> what am i missing here?
[07:31] <otaku-san> ya....I was about to say the same thing intelikey
[07:31] <devkinetic> otaka-san: so after i install this when i fire up kaffeine it should just work or do i have to do anything?
[07:31] <premier_> intelikey: the add user thing didn't help
[07:31] <premier_> its still crashing
[07:32] <intelikey> premier_ for the new user it crashes ?
[07:32] <premier_> why do I find it interesting that I can run gnome as root?
[07:32] <premier_> intelikey: yeah
[07:32] <intelikey> premier_ that's not good.
[07:33] <intelikey> premier_ that's very bad,
[07:33] <premier_> thanks
[07:33] <otaku-san> devkinetic: it's just a lib...so it should just work out of box.  Go ahead and look this over a bit before you step forward.  Just translate some of the Gnome apps to KDE and you'll do good.   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[07:33] <premier_> I needed the encoragement
[07:34] <premier_> intelikey: do you have any ideas?  you wanna telenet into my computer, would that help?
[07:35] <intelikey> premier_ sorry,  some times your house burns up, some times your house burns down...     but that's very bad when a new user account can't login and root can run the gui...
[07:35] <otaku-san> hope I helped a little devkinetic
[07:35] <premier_> why is that so bad... what does it mean?
[07:35] <premier_> root *can* run the gui, right?
[07:35] <devkinetic> otaka-san: even if it doesn't work i'll be hopefully 1 step closer
[07:36] <intelikey> premier_ do i want to try to fix it for you....  not really...
[07:36] <premier_> well, I don't know how to fix it myself
[07:36] <otaku-san> devkinetic: it's mostly finding the right codec...checking if adept has a server with it on it...and sudo apt-get installing the lib
[07:36] <intelikey> premier_ yes   but running the gui as root is like using windows with no firewall and no antivirus...  ya just don't want to do that.
[07:37] <arun> back
[07:37] <devkinetic> otaka-san: WOOOO thank you, now i can watch all my stargate sg1 files on her
[07:37] <intelikey> premier_ try logging in as the new user with the gnome session
[07:37] <premier_> intelikey: a windows computer running without a firewall or antivirus will actually run okay for a while
[07:37] <otaku-san> devkinetic: haha glad to help you there.  Stargate...very cool
[07:38] <DaSkreech> devkinetic: worked?
[07:38] <devkinetic> otaka-san: yeah, these particuar files were a bit(you know the rest) to get going on windows
[07:38] <premier_> intelikey: how do I run a gnome session under the new user?
[07:38] <intelikey> premier_ yeah and you can run as root ok for a while.... the lienght of time may very tho
[07:38] <devkinetic> otaka-san: yeah i got it
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Night
[07:38] <intelikey> premier_ select the session at the login prompt
[07:38] <premier_> remember that once I go to console window I cant go back
[07:38] <arun> will kubuntu work with an nvidia quadro card?
[07:39] <devkinetic> otaka-san: i just had no idea about codecs and linux, much simpler on here cuz they don't interfere with eacother
[07:39] <intelikey> premier_ no no.  not from console.  from kdm
[07:39] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: ya leaving man?  Night there
[07:39] <premier_> intelikey: I can't run gnome from kdm with any user... it crashes just like everything else
[07:39] <intelikey> premier_ ok select an x terminal and type in    startkde
[07:40] <otaku-san> devkinetic: well Ubuntu is more for the free codecs...restricted ones like the ones you want...well you'll hit some resistance.
[07:40] <devkinetic> otaka-san: on widnows it was a combo of the v4 divx codec pack, the newest xvid pack, and ffdshow with ac3
[07:40] <premier_> intelikey: what do you mean select an x termian?
[07:40] <premier_> terminal?
[07:40] <intelikey> premier_ in the sessions list in kdm
[07:40] <premier_> intelikey: theres no such option... theres a "failsafe" option that crashes like everything else
[07:41] <devkinetic> otaka-san: yeah, but with a little work, and some help on irc, its easy to get pretty much all of them
[07:41] <otaku-san> devkinetic: wait...you were trying to watch this on windows...and it wasn't playing?
[07:41] <intelikey> premier_ ok...  let me think a minute.
[07:42] <arun> Would you guys recommend an ATI or nVidia card for a new computer
[07:42] <devkinetic> otaka-san: well when i was trying to get them going on windows it actually took me a few days becuase my codec packs were interfereing with eachother, and i had to find a good mix of about 5 codec packs to get it going good
[07:42] <premier_> arun: are you kidding?
[07:42] <intelikey> premier_ this thing has both kdm and gdm installed ?
[07:42] <premier_> arun: for the love of god, get nvidia
[07:42] <otaku-san> devkinetic: ahhh that is what I thought.
[07:43] <intelikey> arun i'd sujest intel
[07:43] <premier_> intelikey: yeah... but I'm not sure if I can run gdm, see, if I run it, it will be impossible to switch to it
[07:43] <devkinetic> arun: nvidia , aside from being better, has better linux support
[07:43] <premier_> arun: whatever you do, don't get an ati card made in the last year or so
[07:43] <Nanoer> does Kubuntu have Nautilus?
[07:43] <arun> haha i'll get nvidia
[07:43] <premier_> arun: if you plan to run linux, theres no reason to get ati
[07:44] <otaku-san> devkinetic: what file format was your stargate stuff in?
[07:44] <otaku-san> ya...ATI is heck from what I've seen..and heard
[07:44] <devkinetic> otaka-san: xvid
[07:45] <premier_> actually, the open source drivers might catch up in a few months... I think I'm going to cry with joy when that happens
[07:45] <devkinetic> otaka-san: it was mostly getting a combo that didn't kill my other media players, like with some packs it would like windows movie maker
[07:45] <arun> are any of these any good? http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/vostronb?c=in&cs=inbsd1&l=en&s=bsd&~ck=mn
[07:45] <premier_> intelikey: should we try to see if there's a way to run gdm?
[07:45] <devkinetic> otaka-san: *kill
[07:46] <intelikey> premier_ ok it might take a reboot, but let me give you some console dope;  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm ;sudo nano /etc/gdm/gdm.conf   and scroll down to the  AllowRoot=  and set it to yes or true and save and exit.
[07:46] <otaku-san> devkinetic: well because it's open source...and of course windows normally has a heart attack with that stuff unless you pamper it
[07:46] <otaku-san> devkinetic: surprised that Ubuntu didn't play it off the bat
[07:47] <intelikey> premier_ if you don't have a root password set you'll have to set one.    sudo passwd        and set one for root,  make it a good one.   then reboot.
[07:47] <devkinetic> otaka-san: yes i had to hold its nose while windows swallowed it so it would taste the sweetness of open source
[07:48] <otaku-san> devkinetic: haha great job.  Ya, I still dual boot...and I have to do that way to often to windows sometimes
[07:49] <intelikey> and for jack's sake premier_ don't go telling people that i helped you finish breaking that thing...   :)
[07:49] <arun> I'm sorry about all the questions :) I'm also planning to get an external hard drive. Is there anything in particular I should look for in it?
[07:49] <devkinetic> otaka-san: i run linux on my lower end comp, windows on my current dev box, and when i get my mac it will become my dev box and i'll run windows on my gaming box
[07:49] <arun> I want it to work on Linux/Windows/OS X
[07:50] <otaku-san> arun: you are talking my kinda configuration there
[07:50] <otaku-san> OS X before Windows tho'
[07:50] <arun> otaku-san: Ah ok
[07:50] <devkinetic> hah
[07:50] <arun> :)
[07:50] <otaku-san> you too devkinetic
[07:50] <devkinetic> oh yes
[07:50] <premier_> intelikey: well, usually I can blame it not working on my doing something stupid... but I have no idea what I did and I have reason to believe it wasn't my fault
[07:51] <Nanoer> Arun: I find getting a internal then putting an enclosure on it works better because most externals here have other kind of crap installed on them
[07:51] <devkinetic> i can't wait for a nice mac to code on
[07:51] <arun> Nanoer: I'd rather not do that. I don't trust myself with that stuff
[07:52] <arun> Any recommendations?
[07:52] <arun> Some people I know have said that some external drives dont work with Kubuntu
[07:52] <Nanoer> Arun: Read the back
[07:52] <devkinetic> i was playing with the 24" imac at best buy last week , mmmm
[07:52] <intelikey> premier_ well what i listed above (should) make gdm the login manager "assuming you selected gdm" and the edit will allow root to login via gdm.   thus you can at the very least work on it from the gui   "until that breaks for root too"...    ;/
[07:52] <Nanoer> Arun: If it says for PC and Mac then your good
[07:53] <premier_> so, I guess the password that is my password is not my password
[07:53] <otaku-san> devkinetic: ya..I do web designing..and windows..is just too gaming.  Macs are meant for dev, and designing
[07:53] <arun> Nanoer: thanks
[07:53] <intelikey> premier_ the password that you use with sudo gksudo and kdesu  is your user password   not a root password
[07:53] <Nanoer> Arun: Your welcome
[07:54] <premier_> intelikey: yeah, but I know I set the root password on this thing
[07:54] <otaku-san> devkinetic: haha I could go on..and on about Macs...but we might have to take it to the off topic kubuntu channel
[07:54] <otaku-san> hehe
[07:54] <devkinetic> otaka-san: exactly what i do, macs make my designing more happy and bright, when im using windows i always tend to use more dark colors
[07:54] <facugaich> guys, how come when I oggdec(ode) a 17 mb file I get a 7mb .wav?
[07:54] <intelikey> premier_ k  was just saying if you don't have one you will have to set one.
[07:54] <jombee> hi everyboyd
[07:54] <arun> So I'll get a Dell laptop.   In a nutshell?
[07:56] <premier_> intelikey: you can't ctrl c out, at least I couldn't
[07:56] <premier_> intelikey: I'm in a failsafe X session... how do I bring gdm back up?
[07:56] <arun> otaku-san: I am planning to get a new laptop. I am wondering whether to get a Mac or get a Dell laptop PC
[07:56] <intelikey> err not on this box...    sorry;  -root: passwd: command not found
[07:57] <devkinetic> arun: what do you do on it?
[07:57] <intelikey> premier_ should be as simple as crtl+alt+backspace
[07:57] <otaku-san> arun: well if you are keeping it OS X...go for a Mac
[07:57] <Nanoer> Arun: Also Most Macs though they look cool are kinda old on the technology usually 1000 USD for single core 512MB RAM
[07:58] <premier_> intelikey: okay, I'm logged in as root, in gnome
[07:58] <arun> devkinetic: I do a lot of programming and I also use software like Adobe CS
[07:58] <premier_> in good old knome
[07:58] <premier_> good old gde
[07:58] <arun> I love Kubuntu.. I love the UI and all the apps. I use VMware to test websites in IE or to use photoshop
[07:58] <intelikey> premier_ ok.   now if you can get the user accounts working...
[07:59] <Nanoer> Arun: Last week Mac OS X was selling for 40 bucks so buy a Dell with Intel if you want to save a ton of money but don't care about if your hardware looks cool or not
[07:59] <intelikey> premier_ but i need to go now.   someone else will have to help with the rest.
[07:59] <intelikey> premier_ you ok with that ?
[07:59] <premier_> uh
[08:00] <premier_> okay, who wants to help me figure out why X crashes mysteriously?
[08:00] <arun> Nanoer: Dell hardware looks pretty cool as well. Plus what's more important that everything should work, especially wifi and peripherals like scanners/printers/multiple monitors and external hard drives
[08:00] <intelikey> ok.   later all,  and good luck to your penguin
[08:00] <Nanoer> Arun: Then go with Dell. Macs don't want to be messed up or use anything on it BUT Mac
[08:01] <jombee> premier I'll try to help
[08:01] <Nanoer> Arun: The money you save will me more than enough to replace one or two parts that might not work.
[08:01] <Nanoer> *be
[08:02] <arun> Nanoer: Thanks. I think you get 1GB macbooks for more or less the same price as a Dell laptop, but I think I'll go with Dell
[08:02] <Nanoer> Arun: Really? Where do you live? Here their at least 3x the price
[08:03] <arun> Nanoer: I'm in Bombay, India. I checked at a Mac showroom, the MacBooks cost around Rs 65-70,000 (around $1400)
[08:03] <arun> MacBook Pro is way too expensive, though
[08:03] <Nanoer> Arun: Nice... Last time I went to Bombay 756Mhz processors were the latest thing. xD
[08:04] <arun> You've been to Bombay? Where are you from?
[08:04] <Nanoer> India
[08:04] <arun> Where in?
[08:04] <Nanoer> Bombay and Gujrat
[08:04] <arun> Nice
[08:05] <arun> On a different note, does anyone use Elisa Media Center here?
[08:05] <premier_> jombee: have you been listening to me and intellikey? I can catch you up
[08:05] <arun> looks like an excellent media center application
[08:06] <jombee> premier: no I have not
[08:07] <premier_> jombee: well, I ran out (like really ran out) of disk space on / ... so I moved some files around, and then I rebooted... now, I can get to kdm or gdm, but nothing will run except root... I kdm crashes and restarts, gdm will log in as a failsafe or as root
[08:08] <premier_> if I try to log in as anything in gdm except root I just get diverted to a failsafe console
[08:09] <jombee> what did you move?
[08:09] <jombee> and have you tried to create a new user and log in as it?
[08:09] <premier_> jombee: yeah, the new user has the same issues as the primary user
[08:09] <jombee> and root will log in fine
[08:09] <premier_> jombee: yeah
[08:10] <jombee> what does df -h look like?
[08:10] <premier_> jombee: I moved two folders from /media (part of root) to /home (a seperate partition).  The folders were not mounted drives
[08:11] <premier_> whats lrm?
[08:11] <jombee> how much space do you have left on /home?
[08:11] <jombee> do you know what pastebin is?
[08:11] <premier_> 8.0GB
[08:12] <jombee> premier: do you know what pastebin is?
[08:12] <premier_> jombee: yes, but the computer isn't online
[08:12] <jombee> damn
[08:13] <premier_> another example of something thats broken
[08:13] <jombee> do ls -al /home and tell me who owns your users directories
[08:13] <premier_> oh, gnome just doesn't know my wireless settings
[08:13] <arun> is the next release hoary hedgehog or gutsy gibbon
[08:13] <thunderbolt> Gutsy Gibbon
[08:14] <Nanoer> Is Nautilus a GNOME only thing?
[08:14] <thunderbolt> Hoary was released before we started alphabetizing.
[08:14] <arun> ah ok
[08:14] <arun> heh sorry
[08:14] <thunderbolt> Nanoer: Nautilus is part of GNOME, but you can run it in KDE.
[08:14] <arun> just made a fool of myself :p
[08:14] <Nanoer> Okay thanks
[08:14] <premier_> jombee: theres failsafe, level1, lost+found, portcompy,portcompy-2
[08:14] <arun> is gutsy gibbon is going to come with beryl pre-installed?
[08:14] <arun> that's what i read on some forum
[08:15] <jombee> who is the owner of portcompy?
[08:15] <premier_> level1 and failsafe belong to their users, and everything else to root
[08:15] <premier_> jombee: root... its not a user directory, its just a folder for some stuff I have
[08:15] <jombee> do this sudo chown -R portcompy:portcompy /home/portcompy
[08:15] <premier_> jombee: but I created it after all this trouble started
[08:15] <jombee> what is your username?
[08:16] <premier_> portcompy isn't a user
[08:16] <premier_> level1
[08:16] <jombee> oh
[08:16] <premier_> my user is level1
[08:16] <thunderbolt> arun: Not sure, that's the plan that's in Launchapd, for beryl to come standard.
[08:16] <jombee> alright, try chown -R level1:level1 /home/level1
[08:17] <Nanoer> What's the channel to develp language support for Ubuntu?
[08:17] <jombee> if those are the only directories, then you didn't create another user
[08:17] <premier_> jombee: I created a user called "failsafe"
[08:17] <jombee> unless failsafe is the other user
[08:18] <NickPresta> is there any reason why my flashplugin-nonfree package is being held back?
[08:18] <premier_> yeah... for all my failsafe needs
[08:18] <premier_> NickPresta: what do you mean held back?
[08:18] <thunderbolt> Nanoer: do you mean #ubuntu-translators ?
[08:18] <jombee> and all you did was move some files from /media to /home
[08:18] <premier_> apt-get won't let you install it?
[08:18] <Nanoer> Yea thanks
[08:19] <NickPresta> premier_, `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` upgraded about 12 packages and kept back flashplugin-nonfree.
[08:19] <premier_> jombee: it might have been that the computer had 0 Bytes of free space on / for a while
[08:19] <jombee> premier: what happens when you try to login from a terminal?
[08:19] <premier_> jombee: I can do it
[08:19] <premier_> jombee: sort of
[08:19] <jombee> sort of???
[08:20] <premier_> jombee: see, my graphics drivers really screw up the ttys... it a problem that exsisited before this mess
[08:20] <jombee> what graphics card do you have?
[08:20] <premier_> so, I can't really go there from an X session, and even if I could, I could come back
[08:20] <premier_> fglrx
[08:20] <premier_> ati mobility radeon X1400
[08:21] <jombee> and can you see anything from a terminal?
[08:21] <premier_> I think I might just go back to vesa
[08:21] <premier_> jombee: see?
[08:21] <jombee> yeah, can you type in a terminal and see the output
[08:21] <premier_> jombee: well, the hot keys that *go* to the terminal don't work
[08:21] <jombee> ugh
[08:21] <premier_> and as I said, even if I could go there, I couldn't come back
[08:22] <premier_> but I'm logged into a gnome session right now
[08:22] <jombee> as root
[08:22] <ShockValue> this is getting weird.. i enable my second display, restart X, and all is OK.  if i then reboot, the machine locks up when it starts X.. if i disable the second display, then it boots up again just fine
[08:22] <premier_> I have a gterm all ready to go, too
[08:23] <premier_> jombee: so what do I need to see from the terminal?
[08:23] <jombee> the output of startx from your user
[08:23] <jombee> it should crash, but provide some kind of clue as to what is happening
[08:24] <premier_> jombee: it doesn't
[08:24] <premier_> we tried
[08:24] <jombee> doesn't crash
[08:24] <premier_> doesn't give anything useful
[08:24] <arun> Anyone know of any good media center apps?
[08:24] <jombee> root.... you shouldn't connect to the net when logged in as root
[08:25] <premier_> good thing I'm not
[08:25] <premier_> I'm using a different computer to talk to you
[08:25] <jombee> I was talking to the person who just logged in
[08:25] <premier_> I'm sorry if I'm being sarchastic... its been a long day and I'm really peeved about this
[08:25] <premier_> oh
[08:25] <NickPresta> is there any reason why my flashplugin-nonfree package is being held back?
[08:26] <NickPresta> or how I can check the reason
[08:26] <jombee> if you log in from a terminal, does it load into gnome, or does it load a failsafe terminal?
[08:26] <premier_> jombee: if I do startx as a normal user, it prints some information and then dies without an error
[08:27] <premier_> jombee: if I do it as a super user, it logs into gonem
[08:27] <premier_> gnome
[08:27] <jombee> what are the permissions on /etc/X11
[08:28] <jombee> sounds like your users don't have the correct permissions to execute the X environment
[08:28] <premier_> jombee: root root and so on
[08:29] <jombee> the advanced permissions rwxrwxrwx directly to the left of root:root
[08:29] <premier_> well, I have drwxr-xr-x root root... what permissions do they need?
[08:29] <jombee> that's right
[08:30] <jombee> what are the permissions on /usr/bin/X11
[08:31] <premier_> its a link... to... "."
[08:31] <premier_> whats dot?  pwd?
[08:32] <jombee> . indicates the current directory
[08:32] <jombee> but the perms should be lrwxrwxrwx
[08:32] <premier_> well, yeah, links don't have permissions
[08:34] <jombee> I don't know man, I probably would have reinstalled by now
[08:34] <Jemidon> !mp3
[08:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:35] <premier_> jombee: if thats true and you were me, you would be reinstalling every week or two
[08:35] <Jemidon> !adeptinstaller
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adeptinstaller - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:35] <premier_> because that's how often I run into this kind of trouble
[08:35] <jombee> is this a weird setup or some kind of crazy laptop
[08:36] <heroki> !adept
[08:36] <premier_> dell inspiron E1705
[08:36] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[08:36] <orient2000> .
[08:37] <jombee> does anyone know anything about conky?
[08:37] <Jemidon> heroki: reason i am trying to find out, my installer is having errors committing changes
[08:37] <heroki> hm
[08:37] <Daisuke_Ido> Jemidon: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:37] <heroki> have you considered a different apt-get method?
[08:37] <heroki> yeah, try that
[08:37] <Daisuke_Ido> in konsole
[08:37] <heroki> make sure adept is closed when you run that command
[08:38] <Daisuke_Ido> most definitely, or there will be errors
[08:38] <Daisuke_Ido> (nothing that can't be fixed by closing adept and running the command again, of course)
[08:38] <ShockValue> best KDE/QT mp3 tagger opinion?
[08:38] <Daisuke_Ido> amarok
[08:39] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm sure there's a better dedicated tagger, but for what i do, it's fine
[08:39] <ShockValue> i love amarok, but i prefer to tag my files before i import them
[08:39] <Jemidon> ok that's done
[08:39] <Daisuke_Ido> Jemidon: should have finished committing changes
[08:39] <Jemidon> says : 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:40] <NickPresta> jombee, I use conky sometimes. it's decent
[08:40] <Daisuke_Ido> go through adept and try again :)
[08:40] <jombee> how do you get it to stop flashing
[08:40] <Jemidon> Dai: just tried that, same error message
[08:40] <jombee> I do have doublebuffering on
[08:41] <NickPresta> jombee, I changed the update interval (3.0 seconds for me) and it stopped flickering
[08:41] <Daisuke_Ido> there was an error downloading or committing...  what are you trying to install, and from what repo?
[08:41] <Jemidon> Dai: i'm t rying to install xine codecs for mp3 playback and from the Ubuntu repo
[08:43] <heroki> !codecs
[08:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:43] <heroki> that's the docs for it
[08:43] <heroki> you might have already been there though :P
[08:44] <Jemidon> Dai: i just tried an update with Adept Manager and it has paused at downloading  the universe packages
[08:44] <Jemidon> heroki: lol yep :P
[08:44] <heroki> so you want to use xine to play mp3s?
[08:44] <Daisuke_Ido> Jemidon: libxine-extracodecs?
[08:44] <Daisuke_Ido> heroki: not the same thing
[08:44] <heroki> alright
[08:44] <heroki> i think when i installed that package, though, i didn't have problems afterwards
[08:45] <heroki> but it was for divx, not mp3, i think
[08:45] <Daisuke_Ido> sounds like it's not connecting to that repo perhaps :\
[08:46] <heroki> i had problems updating from security.ubuntu.com the other day
[08:46] <heroki> it's possible *shrug*
[08:47] <wers> other than htop, are there other apps that will show me my system's processes and RAM usage?
[08:47] <Daisuke_Ido> top :P
[08:47] <ardchoille> top, free
[08:47] <heroki> gtop works too, if you want another graphical one
[08:47] <Daisuke_Ido> ksysguard if you prefer a graphical view of things
[08:47] <heroki> er.
[08:47] <heroki> sorry.
[08:48] <wers> in ksysguard, which is it that shows ram usage?
[08:48] <wers> is it "physical memory?"
[08:48] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be it
[08:49] <wers> how about processes, would that be
[08:49] <wers> CPU load?
[08:49] <Daisuke_Ido> the tab that says "processes"
[08:49] <Daisuke_Ido> looks like ksysguard is a little more up to date than the last time i checked it out (3.5.7)
[08:49] <wers> there is a process thable tab but I want to see the total usage of my processor
[08:49] <heroki> it could be a bit simpler on the panel, though
[08:50] <Jemidon> back
[08:50] <Jemidon> stupid wireless
[08:50] <Jemidon> Dai: yes libxine-extracodecs is the one that i'm trying to get
[08:52] <wers> what does the CPU load in ksysguard show? Processes?
[08:52] <ardchoille> !info libxine-extracodecs
[08:52] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[08:53] <wers> according to htop, my mem usage is consistently 335/440MB. do you think I need a ram upgrade?
[08:54] <Daisuke_Ido> it couldn't hurt, but that's a part of the way linux handles memory
[08:55] <Daisuke_Ido> if it's needed, it's released to the process that needs it, i believe
[08:55] <ardchoille> wers: open a term and run: free
[08:55] <ardchoille> wers: Look at the buffers/cache line
[08:55] <wers> buffers:2276
[08:55] <wers> cached:97404
[08:56] <wers> what does that mean?
[08:56] <ardchoille> wers: No, look at the second line under used and free
[08:56] <NickPresta> memory reallocation is expensive. memory is freed when needed.
[08:56] <ardchoille> Right
[08:56] <wers> used: 344144
[08:57] <Jemidon> Dai: i tried to install from command and it says that the extra codecs have unmet dependencies and it depends on libxine1-ffmpeg but it is noninstallable
[08:57] <wers> free: 106808
[08:57] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get update
[08:57] <ardchoille> wers: upgrading ram wouldn't hurt
[08:57] <wers> I'm wondering, why is my total swap 0?
[08:58] <wers> I have a 2GB swap partition
[08:58] <ardchoille> because it isn't being used
[08:58] <wers> ooh
[08:58] <Daisuke_Ido> wers: because windows is satanic and uses swap all the time
[08:58] <wers> what is the swap for anyway?
[08:58] <Daisuke_Ido> linux is sane and doesn't.
[08:58] <Jemidon> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
[08:58] <Jemidon> Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1
[08:59] <Jemidon> that's what i keep getting every time i sudo apt-get update
[08:59] <ardchoille> Jemidon: Does this help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=397725
[09:00] <wers> I have 512 MB now, how much ram do I upgrade too?
[09:00] <wers> would 1.5 GB be practical or too much?
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> practical
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> and probably financially the best option
[09:00] <ardchoille> wers: When I build a system I always put 1gb ra in it
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm running 1gb and never swap
[09:01] <ardchoille> same
[09:01] <wers> even if I have a slow processor?
[09:01] <wers> I have a Celeron M
[09:01] <wers> I think 1.5ghz
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> still ddr400
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> right?
[09:02] <wers> what is ddr400?
[09:02] <ardchoille> PC3200?
[09:02] <Daisuke_Ido> ram designation, aka pc3200
[09:02] <wers> I do not know what those things are.. sorry
[09:02] <Jemidon> ardchoille: it gets to 99% (connecting to wine.budgetdedicated.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) and stops
[09:03] <ardchoille> Jemidon: That url won't even open for me
[09:03] <Jemidon> ardchoille: then the connection times out,
[09:03] <ardchoille> Same here.
[09:04] <Jemidon> ardchoille: lol i wonder why it won't open
[09:04] <Dragon121> hey
[09:04] <ardchoille> Jemidon: May be the server
[09:04] <Dragon121> im new to ubuntu
[09:04] <Dragon121> i kinda need some help
[09:04] <Dragon121> can anyone help me
[09:04] <ardchoille> Dragon121: Hi, welcome. What is your issue?
[09:04] <Dragon121> well
[09:05] <Jemidon> ardchoille: Heh...that's very odd...i updated my wine earlier today
[09:05] <Dragon121> im trying to install a microsoft product and i got wine but it wont go
[09:05] <ardchoille> !wine
[09:05] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:05] <Dragon121> yea
[09:05] <Dragon121> wine
[09:05] <Dragon121> its a product
[09:05] <Dragon121> lol
[09:05] <Dragon121> its called wine emulator
[09:05] <Daisuke_Ido> wrong
[09:06] <Daisuke_Ido> :P
[09:06] <Dragon121> lol
[09:06] <ardchoille> Jemidon: Sorry, can't help with wine, I haven't touched a Windows product in over 7 years.
[09:06] <Dragon121> whoa lol
[09:06] <Dragon121> then what games you play
[09:06] <Dragon121> lol
[09:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Wine Is Not an Emulator (exactly what WINE stands for)
[09:06] <Dragon121> lol
[09:06] <ardchoille> I don't play games.
[09:06] <Daisuke_Ido> not all of us play games
[09:06] <Jemidon> #winehq is where you can go for help as well Drago
[09:06] <Dragon121> k