[06:31] <theborger> anyone around that could give me a bit of help again please?
[06:32] <theborger> setting up ssh config file. and want to make it so i dont have to type out the whole line to do X over ssh not sure how to do it
[07:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:22]  * lordievader sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/cEqKYXdXGuvITQcspHqlRZPe >
[11:58] <Forza> Hi. :)
[12:00] <Forza> I have set up lio iscsi with fileio. Seems to work good so far. One client rebooted, but the iscsi session seems to remain open. Is there a way to kill a stale client from LIO target side?
[15:14] <mcclurken> Greetings All, I am evaluating if we should continue to use the default swap file versus a logical swap volume. Ubuntu is new in our environment and the swap file us unusual relative to the other Linux servers. Before I abandon the file implementation I am wondering if there's a good reason for using a swap file instead of a partition or LV? Canonical must've had a reason for it?
[15:15] <sdeziel> mcclurken: flexibility and ease of use are the main reason I guess (I'm not working for Canonical)
[15:15] <rbasak> I'm not sure I know the underlying reason, but a file is far more flexible. Snap :)
[15:15] <rbasak> eg. changing the size of the swap later is easy
[15:20] <mcclurken> Okay, I kind of guessed that but wasn't sure. I'm trying to not change too much of the default so I'm continuing with the file. So far the biggest issue is with training of the lower level teams. Thanks for the responses.
[16:36] <rangergord> What tool do you guys recommend for recording information about a Linux system, like CPU and memory usage, network and disk I/O, ideally per-process? Something relatively lightweight, this is for a low-power server. I've found a few by googling but I'm asking for recommendations. It's meant for logging on an embedded server, so interactive tools like top don't help. The goal is that if I need to do some
[16:36] <rangergord> troubleshooting or post-mortem one day, I have as much information as possible available. Like I'm told "it behaved weirdly Saturday at 2AM", then I can use these metrics to assist me in my analysis. For example I could see that some faulty process was pegging the CPU.
[16:37] <tds> atop maybe?
[16:38] <rangergord> tds: it's really for logging for post-mortem analysis of an embedded system, not interactive tools
[16:38] <rangergord> parsing the output of various Linux commands is how I did it before, but surely that's not how real sysadmins do it?
[16:39] <rangergord> There's stuff like collectd...but I'm asking for recommendations
[16:39] <tds> atop keeps its own records, so you can step back through what happened at various times, etc
[16:41] <rangergord> ah, ok, let me try
[16:50] <rangergord> tds: that does seem nice! I can open a past history file and navigate through it. I wish the file output format was something that could be graphed without an atop-specific parse script, but this is great
[17:00] <rangergord> tds: seriously you made my day. I thought atop was just another one of those redundant interactive tools
[17:06] <rangergord> found the parseable flag. it's no JSON but it'll do
[17:45] <supayoshi> Cannot run samba 4.11+ on Ubuntu 18.04?
[17:45] <supayoshi> Unless dockerized?
[17:49] <oerheks> indeed, bionic gives 4.7 https://launchpad.net/samba/+packages
[17:50] <oerheks> samba team ppa is not active https://launchpad.net/~samba-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:51] <supayoshi> any real advantages over samba 4.7 to 4.11?
[17:51] <oerheks> security fixes should be backported
[17:52] <oerheks> so no, not newer features i guess
[17:54] <supayoshi> thnx
[18:05] <lordcirth> Having a bizarre problem. We have a script that creates daily log directories. It runs from the crontab of 'www-logs'. If I run it as www-logs manually, it works. If I set it to run from cron every minute, it works. But if it runs every day, or every hour, it doesn't do anything.
[18:05] <lordcirth> I was sure it was a cron env thing, until I set it to all '*' and it ran.
[18:11] <mcclurken> The newer samba has some new features like Apple time capsule support. I was using it on Fedora before I switched to Ubuntu. I looked at putting all the samba bits in docker but decided I didn't care about the Mac backups that much. The good news is I checked the 20.04 nightlies and a new enough version to have the time capsule stuff is in there. So it is close.
[18:50] <ahasenack> mcclurken: 20.04 has the latest stable version at this time, 4.11.6
[18:54] <mcclurken> ahasenack, yes and that is just one reason I'm excited for 20.04 around the corner. I think the version I need is 4.8x but I do not recall exactly. 4.11.6 is even better.
[18:55] <ahasenack> 4.12 won't make it, unless there is a compelling reason. Feature freeze was yesterday, and I barely got 4.11.6 in


[01:38] <BobJonkman> Glad it's solved. I know nothing of avconv
[03:03] <willwh> BobJonkman: I use it daily :)
[03:04] <willwh> if you ever need to, I'm probably a half decent person to prod
[03:04] <willwh> btw - I know I've not been around for a while....
[03:04] <willwh> working 100% in linux nowadays. LOVE IT :)
[03:05] <willwh> my cheif complaint (which is almost funny) - Skype is a steaming pile of crap
[03:05] <willwh> but it's almost a requirement in business
[03:05] <willwh> and the latest linux builds are awful
[04:13] <azend> I went to a job fair today and everyone is running windows :(
[04:13] <azend> even CSIS
[04:31] <johanbr> willwh: not sure if you know, but there are ways of interfacing skype with SIP, of various quality
[04:32] <johanbr> azend: yes, sadly Canada is very windows-oriented
[04:32] <johanbr> the major exception is probably academia
[04:32] <azend> I'm a student and I don't agree with that
[04:33] <azend> my program specializes in utilizing obscure windows only programs :)
[04:42] <willwh> < scottish sys admin living in Canada
[04:42] <willwh> lots of linux out here :P
[04:42] <willwh> (west coast)
[04:43] <willwh> also - bugger windows
[04:43] <willwh> windows server just keeps getting worse :
[04:43] <willwh> \
[04:56] <willwh> also - am I going crazy or is everything google broken tonight?
[07:08] <azend> willwh: just you :)


[01:28] <ChrisP> Scott, should I go and give it a try building 0.98.5 for 14.04.LTS
[03:01] <ScottK> ChrisP: Yes.  Go for it.
[03:48] <ChrisP> Just one probably important question Scott, will it have the .deb extension?
[03:50] <ChrisP> Should say is it correct to have the .deb extension? I ran the example as per the pbuilder link you sent and it appears to have worked correctly
[04:15] <jrwren> jak3000: you get those iptables rules sorted?
[09:47] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:07] <rbasak> ScottK: sorry, I didn't have my away status set. I don't see ChrisP online right now. I'm not going to be in much over the next two weeks - on holiday, then moving house, swap days from the Canonical sprint I've just come back from, etc.
[12:07] <rbasak> But I'd be happy to work with ChrisP on this channel or joining Hangouts etc to train more people up for server packaging when I'm back.
[13:08] <lnxmen> Would I ask about creating virtual host in Apache2?
[13:09] <lnxmen> I followed this tutorial - https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-ubuntu-14-04-lts
[13:09] <lnxmen> But step 7 gives me "Host not found".
[13:22] <lordievader> lnxmen: In step 6 is it pointing to an existing ip address?
[13:22] <lnxmen> Yes.
[13:22] <lnxmen> This address in web browser redirects me to /var/www/html/index.html
[13:22] <lnxmen> If default host is enabled.
[13:23] <lordievader> lnxmen: What is the output of 'host <vhost>'?
[13:24] <lnxmen> Host example.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
[13:26] <lordievader> lnxmen: Could you pastebin your /etc/hosts file?
[13:27] <nunizacu> ops i hit 404
[13:28] <lnxmen1> I had delay in internet access. Did you write anything?
[13:29] <lordievader> lnxmen: Could you pastebin your /etc/hosts file?
[13:29] <lnxmen1> surely
[13:30] <lnxmen1> here you are: http://pastebin.com/QhCeZLCi
[13:31] <lordievader> lnxmen1: There is no example.com in there?
[13:32] <lnxmen1> Host plikoshare.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
[13:32] <lnxmen1> It should be.
[13:32] <nunizacu> couse it is not on any dns server
[13:32] <nunizacu> /etc/host is local
[13:33] <lnxmen1> So then, why OVH control panel shows appropiate preview od domain?
[13:33] <lordievader> Hmm, I thought host did check /etc/hosts...
[13:34] <nunizacu> did you register plikohare.com domain ?
[13:34] <lnxmen1> yes
[13:34] <lnxmen1> It's already in my OVH control panel.
[13:34] <lnxmen1> I may change anything I want.
[13:34] <lnxmen1> But preview is quite good.
[13:34] <nunizacu> wierd, dig shows no soa record
[13:34] <nunizacu> no A record
[13:34] <lnxmen1> It shows html file I created while following the tutorial
[13:35] <nunizacu> wait a second
[13:35] <lordievader> I don't think this is a "real" domain...
[13:36] <nunizacu> seams it is registered
[13:36] <lordievader> Why else would it be defined in /etc/hosts...
[13:36] <lnxmen1> I do not know.
[13:36] <nunizacu> wait wait i check it in few more ways
[13:36] <lnxmen1> I added these lines.
[13:36] <lnxmen1> (as it's shown in tutorial)
[13:37] <nunizacu> they arent needed for anything
[13:37] <nunizacu> maybe for shortcuts or internal networking
[13:37] <lordievader> lnxmen1: Did you reboot after adding the line to /etc/hosts? It might be that it is loaded once at boot.
[13:37] <lnxmen1> No.
[13:37] <lordievader> nunizacu: It's there for testing the vhost.
[13:38] <nunizacu> for domains you need registered domain and dns server with proper records
[13:38] <lnxmen1> I have registered domain.
[13:38] <lordievader> nunizacu: For testing purposes /etc/hosts is just fine.
[13:38] <lnxmen1> DNS server provides OVH, I think.
[13:38] <nunizacu> how much time ago?
[13:39] <lnxmen1> about 2 days.
[13:39] <nunizacu> well, i check it on many many dns servers and none sees it, ill check registration
[13:39] <nunizacu> you shure its plikoshare.com ?
[13:40] <nunizacu> no typo?
[13:40] <lnxmen1> Absolutely.
[13:40] <lnxmen1> plikoshare.com // copied from OVH panel.
[13:40] <nunizacu> if dns around the world doesnt see soa record it wont work
[13:40] <lnxmen1> What should I do, then?
[13:40] <lnxmen1> I may add, that it worked yesterday.
[13:41] <lnxmen1> But I reinstalled server to Ubuntu 14.10
[13:41] <nunizacu> well for me it looks like dns problem
[13:41] <lnxmen1> But reinstalling server should not affect dns...
[13:41] <nunizacu> domain IS registered thats for sure ill check ns servers
[13:42] <lnxmen1> Do you want dns entries?
[13:42] <nunizacu> rather dns server names
[13:42] <nunizacu> and check if domain is pointed to those dns
[13:42] <lnxmen1> NS entries?
[13:43] <nunizacu> NS enteries means what dns servers has info about domain
[13:43] <lnxmen1> DNS management: vps116055.ovh.net , sdns2.ovh.net
[13:43] <lnxmen1> Both are active.
[13:45] <nunizacu> this dns doesnt heard of your domain
[13:45] <lnxmen1> Is it a matter of time? Or I did something wrong?
[13:46] <nunizacu> looks like your domain points do dns that have no idea of your domain
[13:46] <nunizacu> wait a second
[13:46] <lnxmen1> Really strange, because it had idea yesterday.
[13:47] <nunizacu> this is vps or dedicated?
[13:48] <lnxmen1> vps
[13:48] <lnxmen1> I found something.
[13:48] <lnxmen1> DNS server is not supported by OVH.
[13:49] <lnxmen1> That's a message I can see.
[13:49] <nunizacu> well i just foud out you should use different dns
[13:49] <nunizacu> those dns u use are for dedicated servers
[13:50] <lnxmen1> So, what DNS should I add?
[13:50] <lnxmen1> http://imgur.com/I4ZfveE
[13:51] <nunizacu> proper dns are ns108.ovh.net and dns108.ovh.net
[13:51] <nunizacu> for vps
[13:51] <nunizacu> u use dns for dedicated server
[13:51] <lnxmen1> Okay, it was added by OVH.
[13:52] <lnxmen1> I did not change it before.
[13:52] <nunizacu> wierd thing
[13:52] <nunizacu> i dont use ovh so i can only be so much helpful
[13:53] <lnxmen1> I am immensely grateful. Thank you.
[13:53] <nunizacu> well problem is your domain doesnt point to any dns and have no soa record
[13:54] <nunizacu> but if it has wrong dns provided it wont have it
[13:54] <lnxmen1> If I have NS records, so DNS servers should not be the same?
[13:54] <lnxmen1> ns110.ovh.net. and dns110.ovh.net.
[13:54] <lnxmen1> You provided 108 *
[13:55] <nunizacu> ovh site states 108 is proper dns for vps
[13:55] <nunizacu> ns108 and dns108
[13:55] <lnxmen1> Yes, I added them in DNS management.
[13:56] <nunizacu> first clean up dns management
[13:56] <nunizacu> or use some sane dns service like cloudns
[13:57] <nunizacu> i have reaally lot of entries there, they probide much geolocated dns server, are fast and cheap
[13:58] <lnxmen1> DNS Management operations are pending.
[13:58] <lnxmen1> It's not my choice what DNS server should I use.
[13:59] <nunizacu> well, someone is point a gun at you and say use ovh dns for your domain?
[13:59] <nunizacu> i had ovh servers and never use their dns and never bought domain from them
[13:59] <nunizacu> you can buy cheper and for the rest buy better dns service
[14:00] <nunizacu> btw for file hosting you should rather look for hosting not vps
[14:00] <lnxmen1> Next time I won't do the same mistake.
[14:00] <lnxmen1> I know. It's testing site.
[14:00] <nunizacu> somthing with lot of space and bandwidth
[14:01] <nunizacu> not to mention they are cheaper
[14:02] <nunizacu> i got plenty of TB of storage and this is not even close for serious file hosting
[14:03] <lnxmen1> As I said, it's only testing site.
[14:03] <lnxmen1> Design, user space...
[14:03] <lnxmen1> 7 GB free space. ^
[14:03] <nunizacu> even thou i have servers in england, poland, germany, sinapore, rpa, germany, lithuania, vietnam, japan
[14:03] <nunizacu> oh and china
[14:04] <lnxmen1> "Welcome to ClouDNS!", let's see.
[14:04] <nunizacu> its very googd service
[14:05] <nunizacu> it has problem with unusual domains but so i have to run my own secondary for those, but anyway i never had any problem with it
[14:05] <lnxmen1> Is there support for PayPal?
[14:05] <nunizacu> i dont remember, i think i used credit card
[14:06] <nunizacu> but for one site free service should be enough
[14:06] <nunizacu> i think free serveice has 10 zone or entries limit or someting
[14:07] <nunizacu> enoguth for fileshare.com and www.fileshare.com
[14:07] <nunizacu> but for serious hosting look for something other than vps, those arent meant for hosting
[14:07] <nunizacu> unless you run torrent or rsync server
[14:08] <lnxmen1> Okay, I will keep it in mind.
[14:08] <nunizacu> not to mention they usualy have more bandwidth and space and are cheaper (sometime free)
[14:08] <nunizacu> and there are a lot of fileshare services
[14:09] <nunizacu> i dont know what exact pupose of your service is
[14:09] <nunizacu> if you want another rapidshare be prepared for thousands bucks per month for start
[14:10] <lnxmen1> When do you think OVH DNS will be refreshed?
[14:10] <nunizacu> 1-2 days
[14:10] <nunizacu> domain dns take some time to propagate
[14:11] <nunizacu> if you have some bucks in pocket just trasfer your domain to cloudns
[14:11] <nunizacu> you will have peace for lifetime
[14:11] <ScottK> rbasak: Great.  I've been giving him some help as his particular interest to start with was clamav, but any help you can give would be great.
[14:12] <nunizacu> but really, what exactly you want to host?
[14:12] <lnxmen1> Peace in IT is boring.
[14:12] <nunizacu> fileshare have petabytes of storage
[14:12] <lnxmen1> I want to host testing site.
[14:13] <lnxmen1> I got project, VPS and domain and I have to code some PHP files.
[14:13] <nunizacu> i think i dont understand you
[14:13] <lnxmen1> Just code.
[14:13] <nunizacu> so either i dont get what are you doing, your domain name or your pupose
[14:14] <nunizacu> plikoshare sound like fileshare
[14:15] <nunizacu> wich is public file hosting service wich you wont compete if you arent using 500 euros as toilet paper
[14:15] <lnxmen1> Yep.
[14:15] <lnxmen1> I am pretty aware of that./
[14:16] <nunizacu> they dont use vps, they have own datacenters, gigabytes of unlimited bandwith and petabytes of storage
[14:16] <lnxmen1> Yep, you're right.
[14:16] <nunizacu> so i dont gont know what are you trying to do
[14:16] <lnxmen1> What if it's just shape?
[14:17] <lnxmen1> I am trying to fulfill someone's expectations.
[14:17] <nunizacu> i dont wont to be pain in the ass but what you want it to be?
[14:18] <lnxmen1> Rewrite PHP modules, create new HTML/CSS design. That's all.
[14:18] <nunizacu> maybe you will host few files, quickly run of space and bandwidth
[14:18] <nunizacu> it's cheaper to do it on home server
[14:18] <lnxmen1> Yes, you're right.
[14:20] <nunizacu> but why buy domain for that?
[14:20] <lnxmen1> This VPS and domain is just for provide actual process of `developement`.
[14:20] <lnxmen1> I really do not know.
[14:20] <lnxmen1> I did not buy, I just got it.
[14:20] <lnxmen1> For me, localhost is sure enough.
[14:20] <nunizacu> so you dont pay for the service?
[14:20] <lnxmen1> No.
[14:21] <lnxmen1> That's the point.
[14:21] <nunizacu> yeard of of localtunnel.me ?
[14:21] <lnxmen1> Nope.
[14:21] <lnxmen1> Wait a minute. Brb
[14:21] <nunizacu> its good for developement on home server
[14:21] <nunizacu> works evern if you dont have domain of puplic ip
[14:22] <nunizacu> whatever i wouldnt help some madman who want to make another fileshare
[14:23] <nunizacu> there is so many file hosting services with a lot of money there is no point unless you are a billionare
[14:24] <nunizacu> even if i have free everthing excluding current, only one of my server takes 1000 wats
[14:24] <nunizacu> another 2x750
[14:25] <nunizacu> my bill for power usage is enormous
[14:25] <nunizacu> add 5 isp's
[14:25] <nunizacu> so i have some redundancy
[14:26] <nunizacu> i already pay lot for everything and im closed alpha state
[14:28] <nunizacu> but having server with 64k bogomips costs
[14:41] <lnxmen1> I am a madman!
[14:44] <nunizacu> well, i can be such madman for a price
[14:45] <nunizacu> but waste my time for free... im to old for that
[14:45] <nunizacu> i start doing that when i will be at least 85 yo
[14:59] <lnxmen1> nunizacu: Give me your PayPal mail then, I will send you some bucks for beer.
[15:00] <nunizacu> what did i do you want to send me money?
[15:00] <lnxmen1> You helped me.
[15:00] <lnxmen1> At least I think you helped me.
[15:01] <nunizacu> well, im very gratefull but i maybe recosider it when it will start working
[15:02] <nunizacu> i feel wierd someone wants to buy me a beer just for some minior help
[15:02] <lnxmen1> Okay. That's honourable.
[15:03] <lnxmen1> Why is it weird for you?
[15:03] <nunizacu> i didnt get a penny for helping yet
[15:04] <lnxmen1> yet.
[15:04] <lnxmen1> It's a matter of time.
[15:05] <nunizacu> most of peple consider themself such gurus they think helping them is privilage
[15:05] <lnxmen1> Although Ubuntu is Open Source and most of help is for free.
[15:06] <nunizacu> well, i help anyone for free if i can but sice most peple appriciate helping by treating me like idiot i dont even tell that i work as natwork admin and promgramist for bout 17 years and im after 2 univeristies
[15:07] <nunizacu> so i pretend idiot, it makes my life more calm
[15:07] <nunizacu> i have enough to do in work
[15:14] <lnxmen1> Wow, enormously great experience.
[15:15] <lnxmen1> Pretending idiot makes life more calm in general.
[15:18]  * ktosiek never mastered that trick
[15:20] <lnxmen1> It's hard to do.
[15:40] <lnxmen1> nunizacu: He said, that his system/idea has great earning possibilities, so it will be quite popular.
[15:41] <nunizacu> tell him i have great possibility to be president of the universe
[15:41] <nunizacu> i have great idea and system to do it
[15:41] <lnxmen1> I asked three/four times about it.
[15:42] <lnxmen1> Is there any point doing it more?
[15:42] <nunizacu> i just need 2 bilion people sign my petition to start my campain
[15:43] <lnxmen1> I mean, I do not want to twist him.


[23:36] <genii-around>  tanath: Have you tried yet adding to the boot line: VGA
[23:36] <brontosaurusrex> nightwalkerkg, touch /etc/x11/file with sudo in front ?
[23:36] <genii-around> !xorgconf | nightwalkerkg
[23:37] <bloopletech> so how do I install 32bit versions of packages in oneiric?
[23:37] <x999> Barbarian: Thank you and here I go...(going)
[23:37] <Roasted> Anybody running Ubuntu 11.10 in an environment with Meru backend wireless gear? I'm having an issue where Ubuntu doesn't show wireless networks in Unity. In Gnome Shell, IF they pop up, they show up as "unknown"
[23:37] <tanath> genii-around, i had to remove it from regular boot line to get working VTs... but when i removed it from recovery mode i still have the problem
[23:37] <yaboo> bloopletech, apt-get install app.i386 I believe
[23:38] <genii-around> tanath: Alternately you could try different VGA=### parameters ... there is a small chart here: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/vga-boot-modes-to-set-screen-resolution/
[23:38] <x999> !grekbrankyargenstiv
[23:38] <ksbalaji> Friends! I intend upgrading from 10.4 LTS to 11.x - Earlier while upgrading I had to reinstall many packages manually. It was horrible I did not even have a list of what I had to do manually. Upgrades are nightmares for me. I want to compile a list of manual installations. How can I compile a list of apps I have to manually install?
[23:38] <zykotick9> tanath, FYI vga= is a deprecated kernel option these days
[23:39] <genii-around> !it | x999
[23:39] <Barbarian> ksbalaji, If you really dislike upgrades, wait until 12.04 for the next long term support version :P
[23:39] <genii-around> x999: Ah, nevermind, was just gibberish ;)
[23:39] <lapion> ksbalaji, when upgrading thru the updater you should not allow the upgrader to delete obsolete packages..
[23:39] <bloopletech> yaboo: I think it's : not ., but then I get http://pastie.org/2869698
[23:40] <bloopletech> I'm not sure why it's saying I'm holdi ng broken packages, I'm not sure what if any packages I've held
[23:40] <yaboo> bloopletech, can do a ldd on the exe, see the libs it wants
[23:40] <tanath> zykotick9, that's why i removed it
[23:40] <yaboo> either ln -s from /lib to /lib64 I believe also
[23:40] <ksbalaji> Barbarian, Yes - this is an option. lapion - how to disallow upgrader from deleting packages?
[23:41] <tanath> zykotick9, fixed my VT problem for regular boot, but not recovery mode
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | ksbalaji
[23:41] <fellayaboy>  im using gnome classic no effect..is it possible to push it back to the previous versions of gnome like in 11.04 -
[23:41] <bloopletech> yaboo: so the exe itself doesn't have any interesting deps, but libCore.so in the dir does, http://pastie.org/2869710
[23:42] <bluefox83> Barbarian: those links do me no good, I was just connected here last week! I AM connected, I just can't seem to get anything outside the network!
[23:42] <ksbalaji> thanks ActionParsnip
[23:42] <lapion> ksbalaji, after you finished the upgrade.. you simply restart, reactivate the deactivated depositories and update again..
[23:42] <zykotick9> yaboo, bloopletech can we call it a "binary" or "bin" - exe is a microsoft term
[23:43] <Barbarian> bluefox83, but you can get machines on the network?
[23:43] <tanath> i just upgraded the kernel and libpam stuff on my 11.04 box and got locked out. when i tried to log in it quickly blinked "Module is unknown" and went back to user selection. this fixed it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=801333
[23:43] <ksbalaji> lapion, -Thanks. I shall check up.
[23:43] <lapion> at the end of the upgrade the upgrader asks if you want to remove obsolete programs.. you can simply tell it not to
[23:43] <Aric-> I installed Ubuntu 11.10 on iMac Late 2006 and I only have Ethernet (no Wireless)... it recommended a Broadcom driver which did not work so I tried to remove it and still no Wireless with or without it... I am all Updated
[23:43] <bloopletech> zykotick9: I'm aware of that, but that is in the to 0.5% most pedantic things you can say
[23:43] <lapion> just do not use the dvd/cd to upgrade but the updater
[23:43] <tanath> although now i get keyring complaints. :-/
[23:43] <bluefox83> Barbarian: the network is not viewable currently...why?
[23:43] <fellayaboy> is their anyway to change the gnome panel to the old way it was in previous versions of ubuntu???
[23:44] <lapion> at the end of the upgrade the upgrader asks if you want to remove obsolete programs.. you can simply tell it not to
[23:44] <tanath> fellayaboy, try gnome fallback
[23:44] <Barbarian> bluefox83, I have absolutely no idea.
[23:44] <bugweed> hi, how do i run ubuntu-software-center from the commandline
[23:44] <fellayaboy> where in software center?
[23:45] <Barbarian> bugweed, If you want the terminal-only version, it's "aptitude"
[23:45] <lapion> bugweed, while X is running or one of the virtual consoles ?
[23:45] <bugweed> Barbarian: i want to run the gui version using CLI
[23:45] <bugweed> lapion: the what?
[23:46] <Aric-> Ubuntu 11.10 on iMac Late 2006 - no wireless, tried recommended broadcom sta and without, rebooted, all up to date... please help
[23:46] <lapion> the ctrl-alt-f1 /f2 /f3 /f4 /f5 or f6
[23:46] <ksbalaji> lapion, Is there a way to compile a list of apps installed outside depositories (installed from downloaded packages)?
[23:47] <lapion> ksbalaji, usually those should still be installed..
[23:47] <x999> Barbarian: fng is telling me something about a new home directory, this is going to take a while. thanks.  delay 45 min expected
[23:47] <zykotick9> bugweed, try "ubuntu<TAB><TAB>" in cli to see if it's called ubuntu-software-center (or similar).  If that fails, try "software<TAB><TAB>".
[23:47] <fellayaboy> tanath how do i switch to gnome fallback
[23:47] <avinashhm> Hi , i am trying to ssh to a ubuntu machine ... but it is giving "connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection refused" .. any idea on what needs to be fixed ..
[23:47] <zykotick9> fellayaboy, 11.10?
[23:47] <fellayaboy> yes im on 11.10 zykotic9
[23:47] <zykotick9> !notunity | fellayaboy
[23:48] <yaboo> avinashhm, ssh services running
[23:48] <bugweed> zykotick9: its software-center. thanx!
[23:48] <yaboo> avinashhm, is ssh server installed
[23:48] <ksbalaji> lapion, that was the exact problem earlier. I lost many packages. I did not have a list. I would not even revert back. So, I tried to remember packages and reinstall them.
[23:48] <lapion> ksbalaji, if you use aptitude there is a special section of "Obsolete and locally created packages"
[23:48] <Aric-> Is there  a fix for wireless not working?
[23:48] <avinashhm> yaboo, no i guess .. i ll check for ssh server
[23:48] <ksbalaji> lapion, great. I shall verify.
[23:49] <yaboo> avinashhm, no firewall also blocking port 22
[23:49] <lapion> probably did not keep the packages at the end of the upgrade..
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> Aric-: what is the issue?
[23:49] <Aric-> Ubuntu 11.10 on iMac Late 2006 - no wireless, tried recommended broadcom sta and without, rebooted, all up to date... please help
[23:49] <Barbarian> Right ladies and gentlemen, had a fun evening doing my small bit bugfixing for the masses. Have a good night everyone o/
[23:49] <avinashhm> yaboo, sorry .. is it firewall blocking or No firewall blocking
[23:49] <lapion> ksbalaji, what method of upgrading did you us ? CD/DVD or the updater ?
[23:50] <yaboo> firewall blocking avinashhm
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> !broadcom
[23:50] <Aric-> this is a fresh install... first thing i did was run all updates but no wireless before them as well
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> Aric-: the guide above, should help
[23:51] <avinashhm> yaboo, thanks .. so i guess i should unblock by taking help from local it guys right .. (registering device or anything)
[23:51] <lapion> for people with driver problems allways try to install linux firmware and linux-firmware-nonfree
[23:51] <yaboo> avinashhm, I guess so
[23:51] <tearran> Anyone know how to stop gnome panel from loading. Want to load awn instead found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aFFi3clHT4 and 5 or 6 more none seem to work the settings told to change dont exist or are unset
[23:51] <avinashhm> avinashhm, ok thanks very much yaboo ..
[23:52] <yaboo> avinashhm, your welcome
[23:52] <Aric-> This documentation only says up to 11.04 should I assume it just hasn't been updated for 11.10?
[23:53] <ksbalaji> lapion, I used updater. Now, I am unable to get obsolete packages list in aptitude. Please help.
[23:53] <antnash> is there somewhere i can find package lists for the distros?
[23:54] <rodhash> Hi guys, is there any way to use the same settings from guake to yakuake?? I don't know why but in guake it looks pretty smoth the fonts...
[23:54] <ksbalaji> antnash, ubuntu help centre - the last one in applications dropdown list.
[23:55] <ksbalaji> antnash, sorry - ubuntu sofware centre.
[23:55] <antnash> ksbalaji, I mean somewhere online
[23:56] <bloopletech> this multiarch stuff looks pretty broken to me; apt-get keeps telling my I'm holding broken packages, but aptitude search ~ahold returns nothing
[23:56] <ksbalaji> antnash, You mean what apps are available outside ubuntu software centre?
[23:57] <antnash> Nope. I mean what packages are included on the install cd
[23:58] <antnash> I'm having no luck making my own custom live cd, so I'm just gonna write a script that sorts my system out exactly as I want it and stick everything I need on a usb stick
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> Aric-: same difference
[23:59] <|Anthony|> the live usb's are editable
[23:59] <|Anthony|> iirc
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> rodhash: the apps are fairly basic, what settings would you be moving over?
[23:59] <StijnH> Hello. In an attempt to learn more about Ubuntu and its packages, I want to remove all non-essential packages, so I can install what I need and know what they do. I'm using the commands "dpkg --clear-selections" and "apt-get dselect-upgrade" for this. Is this ok, or is this bad? If it's ok, what do I do with the large list of packages with "deinstall" status in dpkg?


[02:56] <leolrrj> guys what is the best terminal
[02:56] <wxl> the one you like the best, leolrrj. lxterminal comes with lubuntu
[02:57] <leolrrj> wxl: I don't like the lxterminal, so simple and the transparency does not work on top of windows... also I could not find themes... if I could add all of this is perfect for me
[02:57] <wxl> leolrrj: there's no compositor that comes with lubuntu by default, so transparency is going to be an issue all over
[02:58] <wxl> leolrrj: as for themes, i've never had the need for one in a terminal.
[02:59] <leolrrj> wxl: even if I install terminator I will have no transparency between windows?
[02:59] <wxl> !info terminator
[03:00] <wxl> that does not seem to be a compositor, so no
[03:00] <wxl> see here if you need that http://askubuntu.com/questions/53745/compositing-in-lubuntu#53776
[03:07] <leolrrj> wxl: hmmm thank you very much buddy.. so yeah I installed this compositor but still my opacity is not working on my LXTerminal.. any other advice? maybe something that I'm missing? I already restarted the machine
[03:08] <wxl> leolrrj: lxterminal's internal transparency is a separate thing from actual window transparency. you need to control that with the compositor of your choosing
[03:10] <leolrrj> wxl: oh forget that its working
[03:10] <leolrrj> wxl: anyway Im used to my solarized theme, it works on terminator... can I remove lxterminal or it can generate problems?
[03:11] <wxl> leolrrj: you can remove it. it will warn you that you'll be removing lubuntu-desktop. that's just an index file, so let it be
[03:11] <leolrrj> wxl: wait if I remove lxterminal its going to remove my desktop manager?
[03:11] <wxl> leolrrj: no it won't. it will just sound like it :) lubuntu-desktop is NOT your desktop environment, but an index file
[03:55] <leolrrj> wxl: hey my friend, also what RDP client do you recommend me?
[03:56] <wxl> leolrrj: um. i don't usually use rdp, but when i do i use command line rdesktop
[05:16] <FireStriker> Hey guys where can I download lubuntu 16.04 I can only find 16.10
[05:16] <wxl> lubuntu.me FireStriker
[05:17] <FireStriker> Is .net old?
[05:17] <wxl> it's inaccessible by the lubuntu team
[05:17] <wxl> we're currently working with the community council to resolve that
[05:17] <FireStriker> Ok
[05:18] <FireStriker> I still can't find 16.04
[05:18] <wxl> did you look under downloads?
[05:18] <tsimonq2> Secret: go to cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases
[05:19] <FireStriker> Yep
[05:19]  * tsimonq2 hides
[05:19] <wxl> argh you're right
[05:19] <wxl> that needs to be fixed
[05:19] <wxl> cdimage works
[05:21] <FireStriker> Thanks guys downloading it now
[05:22] <wxl> np FireStriker enjoy :)
[06:19] <RatchetTheGamer> Hey guys what's the system specs?
[10:32] <RatchetTheGamer> What file manger does lubuntu use?
[11:39] <RatchetTheGamer> What file manger does lubuntu use?
[13:59] <Urno> hi
[14:00] <Urno> Y-a t-il des utilisateurs français ?
[16:18] <drab> hi, anybody around familiar with fcitx setup? I'm getting a pretty broken experience "off the shelf" trying to set up chinese input
[20:54] <lo> hi
[20:54] <Guest26661> hello
[20:56] <Guest26661> nobody?
[20:58] <willw> hello
[21:00] <Guest26661> Wich version of ubuntu
[21:00] <Guest26661> is without PAE?
[21:01] <Guest26661> lubuntu for dual core
[21:05] <dudz> hi online lubuntu support team members
[21:05] <dudz> lubuntu for dual cores Guest26661 ?
[21:06] <dudz> what characteristics of PAE are you most interested in Guest26661 ?
[21:06] <Guest26661> yes, it doesn't support PAE.
[21:08] <Guest26661> I look for a version of lubuntu wich is without PAE
[21:09] <krytarik> Guest26661: None anymore.
[21:09] <dudz> reading wiki on what PAE is, I get stuck when trying to seperate it from AMD64 (x86-64)
[21:10] <Guest26661> I have the first Centrino Intel
[21:11] <dudz> and today PAE isn't used anymore, is that why your looking for a seperate release?
[21:17] <Guest26661> Centrino Intel do not support PAE and lubuntu need PAE processor
[21:18] <teward> all Ubuntu and derivatives need PAE, or fake PAE, but it's not trivial to get set up (I see a version of instructions involving 12.04 installers... but that's evil)
[21:22] <Guest26661> thanks, another distribution?
[21:23] <wxl> Guest26661: you can do fake PAE
[21:23] <wxl> !pae | lubotu1
[21:23] <wxl> argh
[21:23] <wxl> !pae | Guest26661
[21:23] <wxl> THAT :)
[21:31] <Guest26661> thanks, i'll try...
[21:35] <drab> anybody around familiar with fcitx?
[21:35] <wxl> marginally, drab
[21:36] <drab> still having lots of issues with fcitx menus and such for whatever reason
[21:36] <drab> on lubuntu xenial
[21:36] <wxl> what specific issues?
[21:38] <drab> the menu to chjoose an input method clicking on the keyboard icon randomly shrinks to 1 item size
[21:38] <drab> so you basically barely see some text + the two scrolling buttons
[21:38] <wxl> did you have this happen before on previous versions? and is this a new install?
[21:38] <drab> if you click out and again the icon a few times it eventually looks right
[21:38] <drab> brand new install, ddi not use lubuntu/fcitx before, I was on ubuntu + ibus which worked correctly
[21:39] <wxl> let me install it
[21:40] <wxl> ugh the wifi sucks here
[21:42] <drab> the other thing is that if I add chinese input and then switch to it it shows a popup indicating it has switched, but then typing is just plain english, no menu-chooser to pick the kanjis (kimpanel I believe, it pulls in a whole bunch of qt stuff)
[21:42] <drab> altho there seems to be gtk options, but that's another problem too, it's non obvious which one is picked/how
[21:43] <wxl> i'm not sereming to have any problems
[21:44] <drab> k, thanks for taking a look
[21:44] <wxl> i'd need to have clear steps to reproduce your problem
[21:44] <wxl> it might also be good to have a screenshot of the issue you're having
[21:44] <drab> makes sense, I'll try to find a clear repro and take sshots
[21:44] <drab> thank you
[21:45] <wxl> feel free to file a bug report
[21:46] <wxl> point me in the right direcgtion
[21:48] <wxl> i'm not sure i actually understand the issue
[21:48] <drab> there's multiple, I'm seeing problems with the indicator tray icon and with the input method when typing
[21:49] <drab> the indicator menu in the tray bar is displaying in a "shrunk" form, showing only one item and scrollbars
[21:50] <drab> I've seen something slightly similar with the main menu too, sometimes when I click the menu opens up 15px away from lxpanel, there's a gap
[21:50] <wxl> screenshots, again
[21:50] <drab> yep
[21:50] <drab> trying to do just that
[21:50] <drab> I just re-did a full fresh install and was updating
[22:04] <drab> wxl: ok, so repro is quite simple it turns out
[22:04] <drab> wxl: apt-get install fcitx-pinyin
[22:04] <drab> logout - logback in, left click on the keyboard tray icon
[22:05] <drab> as soon as I did that the first time I got a menu about 5 items tall with scrolling buttons at the and bottom
[22:05] <drab> I clicked out on the desktop, left clicked again on the keyboard tray icon and got a 1 item tall menu + scrolling buttons
[22:06] <drab> click out, click back in and now I see 15 items long menu fully displayed no scroll buttons
[22:06] <drab> trying to take sshots
[22:06] <drab> also the icon now changes
[22:06] <drab> before it was the keyboard icon stock of lubuntu-icons
[22:06] <drab> now it has become a penguin (the fcitx icon)
[22:06] <wxl> i hadn't installed -pinyin so let me check
[22:09] <drab> urm, this is even odder, tried to create a new "test" account and that one gets no keyboard icon and if I select from the menu "fcitx configuration" it has no available input methods at all
[22:09] <drab> oh, fcitx is not running at all
[22:10] <drab> so that could b another bug, it's running for default user, but if you add a user from menu -> system -> user and groups you get nothing
[22:11] <wxl> sounds like you should file a bug report.
[22:11] <drab> can you repro after installing -pinyin or does your menu look ok?
[22:12] <wxl> well mine looks ifne, but again, i have a weird panel
[22:12] <wxl> i'd normally open a vm right now but i don't have a spare iso and the wifi here is atrocious
[22:15] <drab> ok, np
[22:20] <drab> wxl: I'm assuming for this stuff it's cool to run in a VM and repro from there, no need to test on hw, correct?
[22:20] <wxl> drab: i'd do a vm as a first step. if yuou can't reproducce, then it may be hardware related.


[01:44] <allee> Riddell: maybe too late for me to get it, but
[01:44] <allee> -         mkdir -p po
[01:44] <allee> +         mkdir -p po/*.pot
[01:44] <allee> in KubuntuPackaging makes no sense to me
[01:46] <Riddell> allee: where is that?
[01:46] <Tm_T> I'm using amaroK svn trunk already ;)
[01:47] <allee> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPackagingGuide change of you 2 hours ago
[01:47] <Riddell> allee: well spotted :)  fixed
[01:47] <Riddell> I hope I havn't done that in any of the actualy package
[01:47] <Riddell> I hope I havn't done that in any of the actualy packages
[01:51] <allee> Riddell: mhm, mkdir -p po ==> test -d po || mkdir po
[01:53] <allee> Riddell: how well rosetta with work done by the KDE translator that will show in future releases
[01:53] <allee> Isn't this asking for duplicate work?
[01:54] <allee> Riddell: AFAIU the only save thing is to translate the manpages.  never saw them translated by the KDE translation teams
[01:57] <Riddell> allee: what's the difference between mkdir -p po and test -d po || mkdir po ?
[01:59] <Riddell> allee: I'm hoping KDE translation teams will start using rosetta at least for their less technical translators (who don't want to learn svn etc) so it'll be part of the KDE i18n teams not duplicate
[02:00] <Riddell> and I think they can register to be notified if they don't use rosetta but some random person comes along and translates something
[02:00] <Riddell> and rosetta will take a feed fristly from kde-i18n packages but soon from SVN so it'll be kept up to date and there won't be an opportunity for duplication
[02:00] <Riddell> allee: can you generate .pot files from the manpages?
[02:06] <allee> Riddell: not from manpages AFAIK, but KDE decomposites their docbook handbooks in pot/po files (so kbabel can be used for translation)
[02:07] <allee> Riddell: sync with KDE svn translations is a nontrival task because often KDE translators do not know with branch is the current one :(
[02:08] <allee> Riddell: what branch to translate is announced usually on kde-i18n-doc.
[02:09] <Riddell> yes
[02:11] <allee> Riddell: my feeling is that only KDE apps registered by upstream or MOTU in rosetta should be offered for translation
[02:15] <Riddell> the rosetta developers have thought about all this and do have appropriate measures in place
[02:15] <Riddell> I just can't remember what they all are at the moment :)
[02:16] <allee> I keep my fingers crossed! Really ;)
[02:18] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[02:18] <Riddell> hi freeflying
[02:18] <freeflying> Riddell: how about the skim package   :)
[02:18] <Riddell> I'm about to go to bed but feel free to remind me about revu's and main inclusion reports and I should be able to do them sometime tomorrow :)
[02:19] <freeflying> Riddell:  there are someone in debian mentor looking for sponsor for upload skim
[02:22] <allee> Riddell: Well, I trust you, just ;) want to mention that search for rosetta or ubuntu in kde-i18n-doc found nothing.
[02:24] <Riddell> allee: that's because KDE stuff hasn't been in rosetta before so I havn't made any noise there
[02:24] <allee> 'k. nite Riddell
[08:53] <viviersf> erm
[08:53] <viviersf> kde 3.5s theme is weird
[08:57] <Tm_T> nah
[08:57] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_090.png
[08:57] <Tm_T> oh you mean defaults?
[08:58] <Tm_T> uh... well, I have mostly default icon theme? mostly...
[09:05] <freeflying> Tm_T may I know which font are y using
[09:06] <Tm_T> what one
[09:06] <Tm_T> there's several fonts
[09:06] <Tm_T> some of them are modified by me
[09:07] <Tm_T> freeflying: ?
[09:07] <freeflying> Tm_T in the konsole
[09:07] <Tm_T> ah, DejaVu Mono I think
[09:08] <Tm_T> yes, DejaVu Sanss Mono
[09:08] <Tm_T> -s
[09:08] <freeflying> Tm_T I like this font
[09:08] <Tm_T> I like too
[09:08] <Tm_T> I use it almost everywhere
[09:09] <seaLne> looks very similar to bitstream vera sans mono
[09:10] <freeflying> seaLne it seems more clear tan bitstream vera sans mono
[09:11] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/fonts-1.png
[09:11] <Tm_T> it is almost the same
[09:11] <Tm_T> DejaVu is next generation of Bitstream
[09:12] <Tm_T> full name of fonts is Bitstream DejaVu Sans Mono  and so on
[09:12] <Tm_T> and yes, bit cleaner
[09:14] <seaLne> ah right, in the preview font selector i couldn't really see any diff
[09:15] <seaLne> in fact just changed to it and i can't see any diff :)
[09:26] <Tm_T> yes, only small changes
[09:26] <Tm_T> you can see differences when you open those fonts in fontforge
[09:26] <Tm_T> but, when you have good product, there's no point to chane it much ;)
[09:27] <Tm_T> +g
[11:05] <\sh> bah..fixing my kubuntu-doc bug
[11:08] <viviersf> Riddell : ping
[12:31] <amU> Riddell: ping
[12:46] <viviersf> amU, he aint here q:P
[12:46] <viviersf> pinged him 4 hours ago
[12:49] <amU> just wanna ask to protest against the the latest news in .fr against free software, with a a complete translated kubuntulive in frensh ;)
[01:22] <Riddell> amU: hi
[01:22] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[01:24] <amU> 12:39 < amU> just wanna ask to protest against the the latest news in .fr
[01:24] <amU>              against free software, with a a complete translated kubuntulive in
[01:24] <amU>              frensh ;)
[01:25] <amU> JRe: ?
[01:25] <Riddell> amU: sounds great
[01:25] <JRe> amU:
[01:25] <amU> maybe an storry for dot.kde woth :)
[01:26] <amU> s/woth/worth
[01:28] <JRe> amu: you want a french translation ?
[01:28] <amu> JRe: as i remember you live in .fr ?
[01:28] <JRe> amu: yeah
[01:29] <amu> JRe: no need everthing is arviable, maybe an modified bootsplash
[01:29] <JRe> amu: translating bootsplash in fr?
[01:30] <amu> Riddell: do you want me, to include also KDE-core in this thing?
[01:30] <Riddell> amu: s4re
[01:31] <amu> Riddell: ok i'll phone to martin
[01:33] <amu> JRe: ex. the isolinux.txt and something like a modified protest bootsplash
[01:34] <JRe> amu: I have to take a look into that
[01:34] <amu> ^Xsplash.rle
[01:34] <amu> Pour lancer le live CD, appuyez simplement sur ENTER.
[01:34] <amu> Au cas ou le processus d'amorcage ne reussit pas, vous pouvez avoir plus de
[01:34] <amu> conseils en appuyant sur [F1]
[01:35] <amu> JRe: that's what i have
[01:36] <JRe> amu: it seems to be the correct translation
[01:37] <JRe> amu: except that there is no accents at all
[01:43] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[01:58] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[01:58] <Riddell> amu: who's martin?
[01:58] <amu> Riddell: all right, we should send a draft about it, to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>cc: to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:58] <amu> martin konold
[01:58] <amu> Riddell: now i'm calling FSF-europe
[02:00] <freeflying> will the MainInclusionReportTtfarphicuming be brought to thic council
[02:02] <freeflying> Riddell: and people come from korea and japan localteam are interesting in BetterCJKSupport
[02:02] <freeflying> Riddell: I wonder if this spec can be discussed again
[02:05] <Riddell> freeflying: I'll take a look at it then one of the higher up people needs to approve
[02:06] <Riddell> freeflying: great, we need more CJK people
[02:07] <freeflying> Riddell: we hope that the problem list on BetterCJKSupport spec can be solved in dapper
[02:08] <freeflying> Riddell:  users of CJK are tired of these problems
[02:28] <sebas> What french news are you referring to?
[02:29] <hunger> sebas: I guess to the "free SW should be banned" stuff going on there?
[02:29] <sebas> I'n not aware of that, do you have a link?
[02:29] <hunger> sebas: I read about it yesterday... let me check.
[02:30] <hunger> sebas: http://www.fsffrance.org/news/article2005-11-25.en.html
[02:30] <sebas> hunger: Thanks.
[02:32] <sebas> Hm, that sounds _really_ absurd.
[02:32] <hunger> sebas: It does, doesn't it.
[02:32] <hunger> sebas: Some idiots have no clue and make a fuss about that:-(
[02:33] <sebas> And a pretty biased lobby behind it, *sigh*.
[02:35] <hunger> sebas: It is the typical "Thou shall consume without questioning" lobby:-(
[02:36] <sebas> Jup.
[03:17] <\sh> lamont-away: don't touch it
[03:17] <\sh> lamont-away: I'm working on new packages
[03:18] <\sh> FOR 3.5 ,)
[03:20] <Tm_T> \sh: oh, good
[03:35] <viviersf> whats wrong with the packages ?
[03:37] <\sh> viviersf: it's not compatible with 3.5
[03:37] <sebas> \sh: Didn't Jim's suggestions fix it?
[03:37] <\sh> viviersf: some api stuff is not there, and it has some errors in building the sources...so I hope upstream will release a new snapshot tonite
[03:37] <sebas> (Only read it briefly ...)
[03:38] <\sh> sebas: yes...but I'm actually not a fan of "send no-patches but suggestions via ml" :)
[03:38] <\sh> sebas: he wants to release tonite or tomorrow some new snapshot archives
[03:38] <sebas> \sh: Heh, right.
[03:39] <sebas> pykde is always snapshot, plus sent-in patches from the last year :|
[03:39] <\sh> sebas: sad but true
[03:39] <sebas> Is the QString error fixed in the meantime? :D
[03:39] <sebas> QString vs. QCString, IIRC
[03:39] <\sh> sebas: if it's writting in the missing changelog_
[03:39] <\sh> ?
[03:40] <\sh> bah
[03:40] <\sh> written
[03:40] <\sh> I'm just busy with something else..in RL work :(
[03:40] <viviersf> \sh, that for dapper builds only
[03:40] <viviersf> or breezy ones also ?
[03:40] <\sh> viviersf: only dapper...breezy was quite ok...
[03:40] <viviersf> kk
[03:41] <sebas> \sh: I'd have to look up the issues, so nevermind :)
[03:41] <sebas> I sent it to Jim some months ago, so it should be in the archives.
[03:41] <\sh> sebas: it should :)
[03:42] <sebas> It'd probably be helpful if Jim opened up his VCS, maybe with write access for some people ...
[03:42] <sebas> Or just develop in kdesvn  ...
[03:43] <\sh> sebas: do you think jim has a VCS?
[03:44] <\sh> sebas: because sometimes it looks like there is chaos
[03:46] <sebas> \sh: Hmmm ... now you're mentioning that :D
[04:09] <lamont-away> \sh: I was just more grumbling that it's FTBFS
[04:33] <seth_k> Riddell, is there anything I can do to help move along some of the little KDE packages that haven't yet gotten the new transition build-deps? (e.g. katapult, yakuake, kio-apt) Is there a page detailing what deps need to be changed? Or do you have it under control
[04:34] <Riddell> seth_k: do you have universe upload rights?
[04:34] <Riddell> seth_k: katapult I'm wondering what the best version to upload is
[04:34] <Riddell> otherwise I'll be throwing them up imminantly
[04:35] <seth_k> no, I don't have upload rights. I'd be limited to just posting debdiffs. Ah okay, if you have it under control no worries :)
[04:35] <Riddell> most of them don't need any changes, just rebuilt
[04:35] <seth_k> ok
[04:36] <Riddell> seth_k: are you involved with ubuntu forums at all?
[04:36] <freeflying> Riddell:  there have a spelling error in scim changelog
[04:36] <hunger> seth_k: Thank god that I am not the only one trying to upgrade evry 30 min!
[04:36] <seth_k> Riddell, heh... I got banned yesterday :) I was extremely active but after the forum admins decided that their interests came first, I'm no longer welcome
[04:37] <seth_k> Riddell, several users have been banned now
[04:37] <Riddell> freeflying: we'll just have to try and remember to fix it for next upload
[04:38] <seth_k> Riddell, ajmitch, robotgeek, nalioth and I had a little talk yesterday about the forums. The signs are all there that they wish to no longer be the official ubuntuforums and are looking to split off. So imo the forums are a lost cause.
[05:23] <\sh> anyone interested to code on an old pre-konversation irc client for kde?
[05:23] <\sh> with old qmdiwidgets? ,-)
[05:48] <Tm_T> err
[06:21] <Riddell> tvo: I see kio-locate is up to 0.4.4, does that include all your changes?
[06:48] <tvo> Riddell: yeah
[06:49] <Riddell> tvo: great
[09:13] <Riddell> mornfall: you get the e-mail about DapperPackageManager?
[09:20] <mornfall> Riddell: eyup
[09:21] <Riddell> mornfall: I'm not sure what needs done, are you able to add stuff or do you want me to ask for more details?
[09:21] <mornfall> Riddell: i'll make something up i guess
[09:21] <mornfall> for the criteria
[09:23] <Riddell> cool
[09:24] <mornfall> i want to get out alpha around this weekend...
[09:24] <mornfall> and lots of work still needs to be done
[09:24] <mornfall> eh eh
[09:28] <Riddell> I know that feeling
[09:31] <mornfall> oh well, i can probably make it :)
[09:32] <mornfall> i'll have to start bachelor's thesis at some point, too, hmh
[09:32] <mornfall> i'm already scared
[10:11] <\sh> Riddell: how does the roadmap fit with FF?
[10:12] <\sh> oh forget it..
[10:12] <\sh> ff is 23rd feb and therefor adept should be in beta state
[11:14] <\sh> Riddell: do u need knoda?
[11:15] <Riddell> \sh: I don't
[11:15] <Riddell> but people requested it when we didn't have it
[11:15] <\sh> it's somewhat crack in a pipe
[11:15] <\sh> set_dataformat is not declared but used...I wonder how it could compile
[11:15] <Riddell> has it ever compiled with gcc 4?
[11:16] <\sh> Riddell: yes
[11:17] <\sh> but I'm trying to compile it now against hk-classes9
[11:17] <\sh> but somehow set_dataformat is missing :*
[11:17] <\sh> weired
[11:18] <\sh> hmmm..0.8 is upstream....we have only 0.7.4 and debian tooo
[11:19] <Riddell> try 0.8 I guess
[11:19] <\sh> that's what i'm doing now
[11:20] <\sh> Riddell: btw..did you remove the part in debian/control about "libvisual{_plugins}" in amarok?
[11:20] <Riddell> hmm, nope
[11:21] <\sh> Riddell: i'll do it then tomorrow morning
[11:21] <Riddell> ok
[12:02] <\sh> Riddell: in your source upload of kdegraphics, is there already the fix for
[12:02] <\sh>     CAN-2005-3191
[12:02] <\sh>     CAN-2005-3192
[12:02] <\sh>     CAN-2005-3193
[12:02] <\sh> in it?
[12:02] <\sh> if not, i'm doing it for kdegraphics
[12:03] <Riddell> \sh: no, I'm working on that now
[12:03] <\sh> ah ok...
[12:03] <\sh> Riddell: only for 3.5 or as wlel for 3.4.3?
[12:03] <Riddell> hoary, breezy, breezy on kubuntu.org, dapper
[12:04] <\sh> ok..i leave it then :)


[03:51] <flocculant> no respins yet ... how useful
[09:38] <bluesabre> I'm going to be late with the release notes, been working on a large project rollout this week... and still going >.<
[15:42] <brainwash> is xubuntu supposed to show panel indicators on the "welcome - try/install xubuntu" screen?
[15:42] <brainwash> currently it's just a black bar at the top
[15:43] <brainwash> bluesabre: do you know that?
[16:09] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: you reported still seeing the xorg bug? that should be fixed after the respin
[16:09] <flocculant> brainwash: yes it is supposed to show them - hardware? vm?
[16:15] <flocculant> brainwash: confirm that in kvm
[16:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: cleaned out bionic refs from https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.10/release-notes
[16:38] <flocculant> not close enough to what's going on to do more I'm afraid
[16:52] <flocculant> marked us as done now
[17:09] <brainwash> flocculant: they are missing in 18.04 too, so it's not something new
[17:28] <flocculant> they weren't
[17:33] <brainwash> I think it's because xubuntu does not use indicator-application and -sound anymore
[17:34] <brainwash> nm-applet would appear as application indicator, but not anymore
[17:34] <brainwash> so, then panel is just empty now
[17:36] <brainwash> maybe revert https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/commit/?id=f8356ea277efc8dded2bc7057e6e161383f73884
[17:37] <brainwash> Unit193: what do you think? ^
[17:38] <flocculant> brainwash: could well be why - it certainly used to appear in 18.04 - not sure about 18.04.1
[17:58] <brainwash> flocculant: there is "gtk-theme-config (changelog)" in the release-notes
[17:58] <brainwash> but that tool is no more
[22:59] <Unit193> bluesabre: Thanks for catfishy!


[17:22]  * jcastro taps the mic
[17:22] <jcastro> hello, anyone there?
[17:23] <bjf> jcastro, nope
[17:23] <jcastro> alright!
[17:25] <jcastro> 5 minute warning!
[17:25] <jcastro> how's everyone doing today?
[17:27] <sconklin> oh, heh
[17:27] <sladen> afternoon
[17:27] <rickspencer3> hi all
[17:28] <jono> hey all
[17:28] <jono> two mins :-)
[17:28]  * rickspencer3 closes irc channels and email
[17:28] <jono> I see my Facebook post worked :-)
[17:29] <shah> yes
[17:29] <shah> i have some question about Ububut
[17:29] <shah> i have some question about Ubuntu
[17:29] <mhall119> shah: support questions should be asked in #ubuntu
[17:30] <mhall119> this channes is used for teaching
[17:30] <mhall119> channel
[17:30] <jcastro> let's just give it one more minute for the stragglers
[17:30] <rickspencer3> jcastro, do I have voice?
[17:30] <jcastro> yeah, the bot will kick in and set all the modes
[17:31] <monish> What are we going to learn today?
[17:31] <sladen> MootBot: depends what you ask rickspencer3
[17:31] <rickspencer3> is it out yet?
[17:31] <rickspencer3> j/k
[17:32] <ardchoille> jono: what facebook page? I want to follow it
[17:32] <rickspencer3> classbot is not responding to me yet
[17:32] <kilian_> HELL SHIT YEAH!!!!!!
[17:32] <jono> ardchoille, http:://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux
[17:32] <ardchoille> thanks
[17:32] <kilian_> HELL SHIT YEAH!!!!!! lol
[17:32] <rickspencer3> jcastro, shall we start?
[17:33] <jcastro> yeah, why don't you introduce yourself while I sort out the bot
[17:33] <rickspencer3> sure
[17:33] <rickspencer3> hi all
[17:33] <popey> it is here
[17:33] <rickspencer3> thanks for coming
[17:33] <rickspencer3> I am Rick Spencer
[17:33] <kilian_> HELL SHIT YEAH!!!!!! lol
[17:33] <rickspencer3> hmm
[17:33] <maco> kilian_: please watch the language, and also don't talk in here, keep it to -chat
[17:34] <rickspencer3> oh, there he goes
[17:34] <rickspencer3> hi all
[17:34] <rickspencer3> so, starting again
[17:34] <rickspencer3> I am Rick Spencer
[17:34] <rickspencer3> I'm the current Director of Engineering for Ubuntu Engineering
[17:35] <rickspencer3> I've been doing this particular role since last June, I think
[17:35] <rickspencer3> before that I was Engineering Manager for the Desktop for a couple of years
[17:35] <rickspencer3> good times ;)
[17:35] <rickspencer3> anyway, I'll try using Classbot ...
[17:35] <rickspencer3> see if there are any questions
[17:35] <rickspencer3> feel free to ask me about anything
[17:36] <jcastro> ok folks
[17:36] <jcastro> line up the questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:36] <jcastro> remember to preface them with QUESTION: so the bot can pick them up
[17:36] <jcastro> for example
[17:36] <jcastro> QUESTION: How are you today?
[17:37] <rickspencer3> jcastro, should I go now?
[17:37] <jcastro> By all means!
[17:37] <rickspencer3> coolio
[17:37] <rickspencer3> basically, my job is to help all the people who create the Ubuntu Community Open Source Distros to ship the Ubuntu, Ubuntu Server, ARM images, etc...
[17:37] <rickspencer3> but you can ask me anything, I'll do my best to answer
[17:38] <rickspencer3> nothing? ok, cool, ttyl!
[17:38] <rickspencer3> :)
[17:39] <rickspencer3> jcastro, classbot isn't replying to me, can you paste in questions?
[17:39] <jcastro> QUESTION: Do you know when we'll see Ubuntu Monospaced font... and will it be ready in 11.04?
[17:39] <rickspencer3> good question
[17:39] <rickspencer3> I know it is being worked on, but I'm not aware of the exact schedule
[17:40] <rickspencer3> I'll gladly chase that down
[17:40] <jcastro> sladen is the font guy
[17:40] <rickspencer3> you might ask sladen, as I believe he is responsible for that
[17:40] <rickspencer3> thanks for steelign my thunder jcastro ;)
[17:40] <jcastro> Question: How do we contribute monetarily to Ubuntu?
[17:40] <rickspencer3> interesting question
[17:41] <rickspencer3> for direct donations ... I believe the web site used to have a "donate" button somewhere
[17:41] <rickspencer3> sladen pasted this link for me: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/donate
[17:41] <rickspencer3> thanks sladen
[17:41] <rickspencer3> however, while that is a good way to do it
[17:42] <rickspencer3> there are other ways to support the project in terms of making it financially viable
[17:42] <rickspencer3> for instance, if you work somewhere that uses Ubuntu on servers or desktops, maybe they need a support contract?
[17:43] <rickspencer3> maybe convince your friends that a Ubuntu1 account would be really useful
[17:44] <rickspencer3> a lot of people help a lot by marketing Ubuntu
[17:44] <rickspencer3> getting more users who might need services or who might contribute in other ways to the project helps make it sustainable
[17:44] <rickspencer3> I'm sure there are other great ideas as well
[17:45] <rickspencer3> jcastro, more questions?
[17:45] <jcastro> QUESTION: I am newbie to Ubuntu developer community. How can i start contributing? I mean which part do i start with?
[17:45] <rickspencer3> well ...
[17:45] <rickspencer3> there are lots of ways that people first get involved, it tends to depend on what you are good at and passionate about
[17:46] <rickspencer3> it's really great that you want to contribute, joining hte Ubuntu community had a hugely positive impact on my life, I hope you find the same for yourself
[17:46] <rickspencer3> so, some ways to get started ...
[17:46] <rickspencer3> if there is an app that you really love, a good way to get started is to help a team with bug triaging
[17:47] <rickspencer3> care and feeding of bug reports, helping users to get information that developers need, that can really make you invaluable to a developer community and has a low barrier of entry
[17:47] <rickspencer3> if you are a developer, you can pick off smallish bugs and offer back merge proposals with bug fixes
[17:48] <rickspencer3> you don't have to know everything about how an app works to fix some of the smaller bugs
[17:48] <rickspencer3> and most developers are really happy to get merge proposals, and will help you learn more and more about the app you are contributing to
[17:49] <rickspencer3> you could also try your hand at writing a small but useful app, and work to get it into Ubuntu via Debian, another good way for someone with some coding skills to go
[17:49] <rickspencer3> if you are more interested in evangelism and such, you can join or start a loco
[17:49] <rickspencer3> there are also things like helpign with ISO testing
[17:50] <rickspencer3> those are some thoughts that come to mind, but I guess the most important thing is to just find something and start, be open to feedback, and have fun
[17:50] <rickspencer3> jcastro, are there more questions?
[17:50] <jcastro> Question: Can you do more to make the Ubuntu Store more widely known? I have used Ubuntu since 2005 and just now learned of the store.
[17:50] <rickspencer3> if by Ubuntu Store, you mean Software Center ....
[17:51] <rickspencer3> hmmm, it's been in Ubuntu for about 3 or 4 versions
[17:51] <jcastro> I think he means the place to buy tshirts
[17:51] <rickspencer3> oh
[17:51] <jcastro> and other assorted swag!
[17:51] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[17:51] <rickspencer3> good to know that is important to you
[17:52] <rickspencer3> I think I should talk to our marketing team and let them know that there is interest in making that more disoverable
[17:52] <rickspencer3> jcastro, more questions?
[17:52] <jcastro> QUESTION: Will ATI-graphics get better driver support in the future versions? Or is the available information still too limited to advance? - (Comparing against Nvidia hardware)
[17:52] <rickspencer3> this is multi-faceted
[17:52] <rickspencer3> from my perspective there are two avenues for support for ATI
[17:53] <rickspencer3> most people are thinking about the closed-source binary driver
[17:53] <rickspencer3> since it's not Open Source, we're all pretty much at the mercy of the developers of that driver for the quality of the driver itself
[17:54] <rickspencer3> I think people like bryce, tselliot, and RAOF do a great job of working with them so the developers can work with our schedule
[17:54] <rickspencer3> and we do work to make them easy to test and install
[17:54] <rickspencer3> so, I suspect that will get better
[17:54] <rickspencer3> but then there are Open Source drivers
[17:55] <rickspencer3> I believe that there are some projects to produce open source drivers, but of course, creating a driver is non-trivial, and without a lot of support from the hardware vendor, it's hard to stay up to date
[17:56] <rickspencer3> so, until graphics chip vendors start emulating Intel and creating their drivers in the open, there is little we as a community can do to help them improve
[17:56] <rickspencer3> jcastro, more questions?
[17:56] <jcastro> [QUESTION] if someone is interested in packaging is MOTU still the prefered path or should someone focus on a particular package and work on per package upload rights.
[17:56] <rickspencer3> oooh
[17:56] <rickspencer3> well, tbh, I don't feeling comforatable speaking for motu on this
[17:57] <rickspencer3> not that it's a contentious issue, I'm  just not sure it's for me to say
[17:57] <rickspencer3> I guess would say that if you have a very strong interest in a specific package, you should go that route
[17:58] <rickspencer3> hold on, it looks like my good friend maco wants to add something, and she *can* speak for motu ;)
 rickspencer3: it all depends on what you want to end up doing. if you have a specific interest, then PPU is fine. if you want to make sure that the quality level of the entirety of packages that don't have specific caretakers is high, then motu. personal preference
[17:58] <rickspencer3> ok, so consistent with my POV, which is good ;)
[17:58] <rickspencer3> jcastro, are there more questions?
[17:58] <jcastro> Question: As regards to upgrading in the future to Ubuntu 11.04 (Not alpha release) can I keep my current Gnome (2.30.2) version if I wish?
[17:59] <rickspencer3> well, you can easily keep 2.3x
[17:59] <rickspencer3> I'm not sure what specific GNOME version you will get
[17:59] <rickspencer3> but what you *will* get is something that the desktop team is calling "classic desktop"
[17:59] <rickspencer3> so in GDM you will be able to choose between the desktop that you currently know, and Unity
[18:00] <rickspencer3> for some people, classic will be their only option, as Unity requires 3D hardware support
[18:00] <rickspencer3> if you have specific questions about supporting specific GNOME package versions, the people in #ubuntu-desktop are generally very helpful, assuming it's not a Thursday ;)
[18:01] <rickspencer3> jcastro, more questions?
[18:01] <jcastro> QUESTION: will Ubuntu be participating in GSOC-2011 and how can one make his application strong enough to be selected as a student developer ?
[18:01] <rickspencer3> good question
[18:01] <rickspencer3> we have discussed this
[18:01] <rickspencer3> I would like us to participate, and do a really awesome job
[18:02] <rickspencer3> in terms of being selected, I'm probably not a great person to ask, as I have only been involved in looking at a couple of applications
[18:02] <rickspencer3> so, take this advice with a grain of salt
[18:02] <rickspencer3> but ... I looked for someone who seemed like they would stick to it for the whole project
[18:02] <rickspencer3> so that my investment as a mentor would pay off
[18:02] <rickspencer3> and also, I looked for projects that I personally found interesting, so that I would be a better mentor
[18:03] <rickspencer3> so, if I were you, I would ask people who have been succesfully chosen what htey think, but I would think of a possible mentors, and projects that they would be interested in
[18:03] <rickspencer3> and then I would talk to them about my application (via IRC most likely) before I made the application
[18:04] <rickspencer3> jcastro, are there more questions?
[18:04] <jcastro> Question: Rick Spencer are you in favor of removing X11 from Ubuntu gfx stack?
[18:04] <rickspencer3> I think the question is about "should Ubuntu move to Wayland"
[18:05] <rickspencer3> well, I don't have a lot of emotional attachment either way
[18:05] <rickspencer3> I think the Ubuntu community should stay focused on:
[18:05] <rickspencer3> 1. what is the latest and greatest in open source
[18:05] <rickspencer3> 2. what is the best thing for our users
[18:05] <rickspencer3> and let that answer the question
[18:06] <rickspencer3> jcastro, more questions?
[18:06] <jcastro> QUESTION: Would it be right to say that Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu differs the way as Ubuntu differs from debian OS? and other ones like openSUSE or redHat
[18:06] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[18:07] <rickspencer3> can you tell me more about your question? do you mean technical differences, communities?
[18:07] <rickspencer3> no?
[18:08] <jcastro> I'll ask for a follow up
[18:08] <jcastro> QUESTION: Considering Software Center is written in Python (and some other tools am guessing). Is Ubuntu planning on opening a spot for a Python developer. At the moment you are accepting only C++ programmers (according to web site).
 rickspencer3: I have used Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu and they seem to be essentially the same save for the desktop environment
[18:08] <rickspencer3> jcastro, let me answer the othe one first
[18:08] <jcastro> oops sorry, let's hold on that
[18:08] <rickspencer3> sure, I'll get back to it
[18:08] <rickspencer3> so ...
[18:08] <rickspencer3> Ubuntu is based on Debian
[18:09] <rickspencer3> so, there should be a lot of similarity between Ubuntu and Debian at the plumbing and infrastructure level
[18:09] <rickspencer3> please be clear, that Debian is part of the foundation of Ubuntu
[18:09] <rickspencer3> without Debian, Ubuntu could not be as good as it is (at least imnsho)
[18:10] <rickspencer3> so, similarities between Debian and Ubuntu, that's by design and a compliment to Ubuntu
[18:10] <rickspencer3> (again, imnsho)
[18:10] <rickspencer3> in terms of Kubuntu, Edubuntu, *buntu ...
[18:10] <rickspencer3> I think the relationship is a bit less straightforward
[18:11] <rickspencer3> certianly the infrastructure (repositories, package format, etc..) is shared
[18:11] <rickspencer3> kernels and most of the plumbing is shared
[18:11] <rickspencer3> and obviously the dekstop environments are way different
[18:11] <rickspencer3> but I don't see Kubuntu, for example, as downstream from Ubuntu, more like a sister project

 QUESTION: Considering Software Center is written in Python (and some other tools am guessing). Is Ubuntu planning on opening a spot for a Python developer. At the moment you are accepting only C++ programmers (according to web site).
[18:12] <rickspencer3> in general, and this is a generalization, not a rule ...
[18:12] <rickspencer3> in general, in Ubuntu we write applications in Python, libraries in vala, and the system is, of course, in C
[18:13] <rickspencer3> but of course, the libraries and applications that other upstreams create are written in the languages they choose
[18:13] <rickspencer3> so ...
[18:14] <rickspencer3> this means that, in general, I look for devleopers who have demonstrated that they are awesome in some language, but can learn to do anything in other languages
[18:14] <rickspencer3> because you never know what you might need to do
[18:14] <rickspencer3> so, to answer your specific question, I expect there will be positions opened from time to time that require awesome Python chops
[18:15] <rickspencer3> but since we hire for specific roles, the status of the web site just means that we currently only have open positions to support things that require C++
[18:15] <rickspencer3> jcastro, more questions?
[18:15] <jcastro> QUESTION: Will the SC be able to manage software updates on Natty?
[18:16] <rickspencer3> no
[18:16] <rickspencer3> that's still update manager
[18:16] <rickspencer3> I'm not sure what the plans are there for the future though
[18:17] <rickspencer3> please feel free to contribute to any blueprints on this topic for Natty +1 if it's an area you are passionate about
[18:17] <rickspencer3> jcastro, are there more questions?
[18:17] <rickspencer3> (whilst we wait, I've been PM'ed with a couple of questions)
[18:18] <rickspencer3> please note that I'm not in a good position to answer suppor questions, I usually suggest #ubuntu for those
[18:18] <rickspencer3> and also, to ask a question, please use #ubuntu-classroom-chat, and start your question with "QUESTION:"
[18:19] <jcastro> waiting on questions
[18:19] <jcastro> about 10 minutes
[18:19] <rickspencer3> while we're waiting, can I get on a soapbox?

[18:20] <rickspencer3> thanks for coming her and asking questions
[18:20] <rickspencer3> one thing that I sincerely hope is that anyone who wants to join the Ubuntu community in whatever way suits their interests
[18:20] <rickspencer3> can do so
[18:21] <rickspencer3> there are a lot of ways to contribute, but I understand that it can be hard to see how to get started at times
[18:22] <rickspencer3> Canonical pays a lot of developers to work on Ubuntu and to support Open Source
[18:22] <rickspencer3> helping people contribute in whatever way is part of the job description
[18:22] <rickspencer3> Canonical employees are part of the Ubuntu community, afterall
[18:23] <rickspencer3> so what that means for you is that you shouldn't feel that must wait for invitation to events like this to communicate and ask questions
[18:23] <rickspencer3> irc and mailings lists are great resources

[18:23] <rickspencer3> jcastro, are there more questions while i was boring people with my speach?
[18:24] <jcastro> jcastro: Question: Ubuntu has the titlebar buttons moved to the left. What is being planned for the right side of the titlebar?
[18:24] <jcastro> 5 minutes left!
[18:24] <rickspencer3> a design question! not exactly my forte, but I can say what I think
[18:25] <rickspencer3> I believe that what ended up happening was that with the global menu (titlebars appearing on the top panel) ...
[18:25] <rickspencer3> the right hand side is not all indicators
[18:25] <rickspencer3> I remember there was talk about indicators that were offered by specific applications, but I haven't seen a spec or any work related to that recently
[18:26] <rickspencer3> there is an ayatana mailing list that might be a good place to discuss that
[18:26] <rickspencer3> jcastro, more questions?
[18:26] <jcastro> jcastro: QUESTION: will the upgrades to ubuntuone-client that are in 11.04 make there way to 10.10?
[18:26] <jcastro> last one!
[18:26] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[18:26] <rickspencer3> I don't know for sure
[18:27] <rickspencer3> I think that would be a hard sru (Stable Release Update) to get through
[18:27] <rickspencer3> Ubuntu has a strong ethic of being predictable, not changing the user experience during a stable release
[18:27] <rickspencer3> and that seems like a pretty big change, and would be risky
[18:27] <rickspencer3> perhaps it could be made available in backports or a PPA
[18:28] <rickspencer3> I believe there is a #ubuntuone or similar where you might find someone to discuss that with in more detail, though
[18:28] <rickspencer3> jcastro, was that really the last one?
[18:28] <rickspencer3> I can do 1 more, if there is one
[18:28] <jcastro> QUESTION: QT will be included in Natty yes?, but since nokia has announced it is moving to Windows Mobile, isnt QTs future abit uncertian?
[18:29] <rickspencer3> dang it, out of time!
[18:29] <rickspencer3> j/k
[18:29] <rickspencer3> so, QT is not in Ubuntu by default
[18:29] <rickspencer3> of course Kubuntu is a different matter
[18:30] <rickspencer3> however, it is easy to install
[18:30] <rickspencer3> for instance if you install version of Unity that uses Qt, Qt will be installed for you
[18:30] <rickspencer3> in terms of the uncertainty, speaking for myself ...
[18:30] <rickspencer3> yeah, I think we should wait and see
[18:30] <rickspencer3> however, Qt is a strong toolkit
[18:30] <rickspencer3> with great tools
[18:31] <rickspencer3> I expect it to stick around and be well supported, even if someone takes a fork
[18:31] <rickspencer3> should be interesting!
[18:31] <rickspencer3> ok, I think that's time
[18:31] <rickspencer3> everyone ....
[18:31] <jcastro> yep
[18:31] <jcastro> thanks everyone for showing up!
[18:31] <rickspencer3> please please please don't consider me inaccessible
[18:31] <rickspencer3> you have my irc nick, feel free to use it!
[18:31] <rickspencer3> that's what I'm here for


[00:48] <Shirakawasuna> Hi all! I'm looking to deploy ubuntu to 10-20 servers  - most for building a small cluster, one for running a website. I'm running into an issue of not knowing which option to choose for making this a somewhat automated process (installation + management of the software). Any opinions on using MAAS vs. cobbler vs. FAI vs. anything else?
[00:48] <jkitchen> Shirakawasuna: I use foreman and puppuet to manage about 30 physical servers and 70 VMs
[00:50] <Shirakawasuna> jkitchen: cool
[00:51] <Shirakawasuna> jkitchen: Would you recommend reading anything outside of the official docs for those tools?
[00:51] <Shirakawasuna> I'm very new to administrating more than one or two computers
[01:11] <jkitchen> I'd recommend reading all sorts of things
[01:12] <jkitchen> you might also want to evaluate other config management tools like chef, cfengine, etc
[01:12] <jkitchen> depending on your needs / preferences
[01:12] <jkitchen> they're all a bit different
[01:12] <jkitchen> foreman/puppet is just what I use
[01:32] <Shirakawasuna> jkitchen: cool, I'll look into chef and cfengine as well
[01:32] <Shirakawasuna> thanks!
[01:32] <jkitchen> Shirakawasuna: you're welcome, good luck!
[01:32] <jkitchen> you might also want to hit up some local devops meetups
[04:49] <njbair> I'm trying to install the Event MPM for Apache, but apparently I've got some incompatible modules installed. Any way to tell what those are?
[04:50] <jkitchen> njbair: logs?
[04:50] <jkitchen> apachectl -t
[04:50] <jkitchen> etc
[04:51] <njbair> jkitchen: well apparently it has to do with APT, not Apache itself
[04:52] <jkitchen> oh, apt is saying incompatible modules?
[04:52] <njbair> apache will let you use buggy modules, but APT won't
[04:52] <njbair> well no
[04:52] <njbair> it's just silently falling back to the prefork MPM
[04:52] <njbair> even though I've installed apache2-mpm-event
[04:54] <njbair> wait
[04:55] <njbair> it's not APT
[04:55] <njbair> it was the a2enmod and a2dismod scripts
[04:55] <njbair> I was working off of a crappy doc
[04:55] <jkitchen> ok
[04:56] <jkitchen> I'm not really sure how ubuntu's apache selects an mpm to be honest :D
[04:56] <jkitchen> looks like it sets a /usr/sbin/apache2 symlink
[04:56] <njbair> the blog I was reading made it look like all you had to do was install the correct MPM package
[04:56] <jkitchen> in theory, yes.
[04:57] <njbair> well you also have to a2dismod mpm_prefork, then a2enmod mpm_event
[04:57] <jkitchen> ah ok
[04:57] <njbair> those scripts have conflict resolution
[04:58] <njbair> they look for enabled modules that are flagged as unstable with the mpm in question
[05:18] <CryptoKing> can someone give us a hand with ubuntu server, i tried to set up static ip but something went wrong how do i get my dhcp working again
[05:20] <lickalott> CryptoKing paste the content of /etc/network/interfaces (pastebin)
[05:20] <CryptoKing> can not ssh in
[05:21] <CryptoKing> i will paste bin what i changed to make it static, i think i know where i went wrong
[05:21] <CryptoKing> http://pastebin.com/KuSqCqBC
[05:22] <CryptoKing> so i think  eth0 should of been eth1 on this machine
[05:22] <lickalott> I'm guessing that you didn't backup the original interfaces file?
[05:23] <lickalott> where is the server located?
[05:23] <lickalott> CryptoKing ^
[05:23] <CryptoKing> thats why its blank :(
[05:24] <CryptoKing> na i didnt
[05:25] <CryptoKing> any hope with out doing a fresh install ?
[05:25] <lickalott> do you have physical access to the machine?
[05:25] <CryptoKing> yeah
[05:25] <lickalott> i can send you the content of a "fresh" interface file
[05:26] <CryptoKing> thanks you would save me alot of time
[05:26] <lickalott> I actually had the same issue.  Ended up just setting it in my router as "preferred" and it dished out the same IP all the time
[05:26] <lickalott> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6581969/
[05:26] <CryptoKing> yeah, i got the static working with my order machine
[05:27] <CryptoKing> and with out thinking just copied the same into new vi
[05:27] <lickalott> always, always, ALWAYS make a backup before you mess with system files.  i learned the hard way....(rebuild)
[05:27] <CryptoKing> on new rig
[05:27] <lickalott> ahhh
[05:27] <lickalott> been there
[05:28] <CryptoKing> i didnt even think about looking at device name
[05:28] <CryptoKing> i just assumed with was eth0
[06:17] <lickalott> anyone still here?  Still looking for a good image/backup option.  i've tried FSarchiver but can't get it to install.   I have created added the proper line to my hosts file. I have added the corect conf file to sites-available folder and symbolically to the sites-enabled folder. I have added the proper scipt in them and have restarted. I can use the virtual host as an address but it redirects back to my localhost. The url keeps the proper virtual host but it renders the /var/www/index.p
[06:32] <KLVTZ> I can provide any documentation or scripts necessary
[06:33] <cfhowlett> KLVTZ, it sometimes (well, frequently ...) happens that this channel is quiet.  If no response is a reasonable amount of time, please return to #ubuntu and post your query
[06:33] <KLVTZ> Thank you, but I was formally told that #ubuntu was not proper
[06:33] <KLVTZ> they asked what the point of ubuntu-server is if no one bothers going to it
[06:34] <KLVTZ> i understood that I upsetted the person :/
[06:34] <KLVTZ> But thank you for the fast reply.
[06:35] <mmazing> so KLVTZ - don't mind that bullshit from the other channel, even in the MOTD it says that server versions are supported in #ubuntu
[06:35] <mmazing> people in linux help channels (many times) were born with too many sticks in their ass
[06:39] <mmazing> so by the way, could you go to pastebin, or another site that you can paste text into and give us the conf file in sites-available for the vhost you are trying to set up?
[06:43] <KLVTZ> Thanks man! I will do that right now
[06:44] <KLVTZ> And I do know they are a bit touchy but I don't want to upset anyone xD
[06:48] <KLVTZ> @mmazing here it is http://pastebin.com/9AK2YyDG
[06:52] <mmazing> try changing to <VirtualHost *:80> instead of what you have
[06:52] <TJ-> KLVTZ: What do you get from "sudo apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS"
[06:54] <KLVTZ> I'm going to do mmazing recommendation and then ill do yours TJ -just give me one minute -thank you
[06:56] <mmazing> and .. just in case you aren't doing this, are you "service apache2 restart" after editing conf files in sites-available/sites-enabled ?
[06:58] <KLVTZ> @TJ- this is interesting: http://pastebin.com/6B32PmCM
[07:00] <KLVTZ> i just use the rest and now its say laravel.dev is not found
[07:00] <KLVTZ> restart*
[07:01] <mmazing> take out the "ServerAlias" line
[07:01] <mmazing> and restart again
[07:01] <TJ-> KLVTZ: <VirtualHost *:80> should do the trick, as mmazing said
[07:03] <KLVTZ> @mmazing, I removed the ServerAlias and restarted. It renders my /var/www folder and not my /var/www/laravel etc etc folder
[07:05] <TJ-> KLVTZ: ServerAlias won't affect this; that is just an alternate name for the vhost. Remove the "NameVirtualHost" option, the re-run the config check
[07:06] <mmazing> TJ-: i was thinking that the "laravel.dev is not found" was causing apache to not start, i guess it was a warning
[07:06] <TJ-> mmazing: My next question to KLVTZ is show us the output of "cat /etc/hosts"
[07:07] <TJ-> mmazing: KLVTZ The default host is getting the requests for <IP_ADDRESS> which you'd expect... because the VHOST is incorrect
[07:09] <KLVTZ> So you want a cat of of my hosts?
[07:11] <KLVTZ> Here is my new 001-laravel.dev.conf file
[07:11] <KLVTZ> http://pastebin.com/zsNZM2g5
[07:11] <TJ-> KLVTZ: just to be sure that basic name resolution is configured... also "cat /etc/nsswitch.conf"
[07:12] <KLVTZ> @TJ- @mmazing here is a cat of my /etc/hosts  http://pastebin.com/9Lc4E8kq
[07:13] <KLVTZ> @TJ- here is a cat of my nsswitch.conf http://pastebin.com/E9SENWLH
[07:16] <KLVTZ> If the VHOST is incorrect, how should i change the basic name resolution. Or specifically where?
[07:17] <TJ-> KLVTZ: firstly, as you only have "laravel.dev" in /etc/hosts, you should match that in the apache vhost config file "ServerName laravel.dev" - there is no "www."
[07:19] <KLVTZ> THAT DID IT!
[07:19] <KLVTZ> Rain is falling from the heavans
[07:20] <KLVTZ> children are exploding against walls and glitter is zooming through the air
[07:20] <KLVTZ> people will ask who that amazing being is
[07:20] <KLVTZ> an it's TJ!
[07:20] <KLVTZ> but i will also take mmazing!
[07:20] <KLVTZ> damn it was that simple
[07:20] <KLVTZ> xD
[07:20] <cfhowlett> !cookie|TJ-,
[07:20] <cfhowlett> !beer
[07:21] <KLVTZ> TJ I would personally buy you a beer
[07:21] <KLVTZ> if i could
[07:21] <KLVTZ> xD
[07:21] <KLVTZ> Thank you so much!
[07:24]  * TJ- sips the coffee
[07:26] <mmazing> heh it was mostly TJ- :)
[07:26] <mmazing> i'm very tired
[07:27] <TJ-> mmazing: me too... woke up early (3am) and now regretting it
[07:28] <KLVTZ> Where you guys at?
[07:28] <mmazing> i've had a looooong day of family xmas and have had about the last hour of my day to deal with my computer
[07:28] <KLVTZ> I'm in Cal
[07:28] <KLVTZ> Damn. It's 80 here during the day
[07:29] <KLVTZ> i really wish for at least rain :(
[07:29] <TJ-> UK here... 07:28
[07:29] <mmazing> it was 20 F here a few days ago
[07:29] <KLVTZ> Now that's a great time
[07:29] <TJ-> And I'm wishing for sun and warmth... want to swap? :)
[07:29] <KLVTZ> damnn brrrr
[07:29] <KLVTZ> Yeah TJ let's switch!
[07:29] <KLVTZ> My gift for you lol
[07:29] <mmazing> where in cali? LA?
[07:30] <mmazing> im in kansas, i have family in san diego and LA though
[07:30] <TJ-> Ha... as long as you walk both Huskies and bath them afterwards!
[07:30] <mmazing> im ... not a fan of LA
[07:31] <mmazing> my business partner recently moved to where i am from LA, and they are freaking out about how cold it is here haha
[07:33] <mmazing> also, on top of my 14+ hour day of extended family xmas, i came home to my dog having destroyed my front door :\
[07:34] <mmazing> he even had people over to feed/water/let him out
[07:37] <KLVTZ> @mmazing, I'm in irvine at the moment!
[07:37] <KLVTZ> I head back to a slightly colder climate in the High Desert next week'
[07:37] <KLVTZ> at least there, at night, its 15 F
[07:37] <KLVTZ> I would always recommend a person who comes to visit cali to visit northern cali
[07:38] <KLVTZ> its like a different stat
[07:38] <KLVTZ> state8
[07:38] <KLVTZ> Norcal vs Socal
[07:38] <KLVTZ> a huge difference
[07:40] <mmazing> yeah, i've driven a bit in northern california, was nice, the only part i seem to despise is LA haha
[07:40] <mmazing> i even like san diego
[07:40] <mmazing> i lived in boston for 3 years too, it's not the population density, it's the people
[07:40] <mmazing> i can't even describe it
[07:51] <inq> hi
[07:52] <inq> after migrating a php web app i am getting redirect loop error. i have total two htaccess files one for moodle and another for jooml. first htaccess http://paste.ubuntu.com/6582362/ and second file http://paste.ubuntu.com/6582364/
[07:52] <inq> its not my code. i got this app to add some features.
[07:52] <inq> please help me to remove this redirect error.
[07:58] <KLVTZ> Your system headers are looping endlessly means somewhere in your app, your file is redirecting.  I'll take a look
[07:59] <KLVTZ> pretty sure it is not*
[07:59] <KLVTZ> pretty sure it is not preventing you.
[08:00] <inq> KLVTZ: app is too larg.
[08:00] <KLVTZ> ok
[08:00] <inq> KLVTZ: how do i solve this redirect loop error?
[08:00] <KLVTZ> First off, you mention that your getting a redirect after you migtated an app?
[08:00] <inq> KLVTZ: this is not my app. i got it to extend further. so i setup test server on rackspace. original web app is on aws.
[08:00] <KLVTZ> migrated*
[08:01] <KLVTZ> And it's working on aws?
[08:01] <inq> KLVTZ: yes firefox and chromium tells redirect loop
[08:01] <inq> KLVTZ: yes. i did not touched aws. becasue that is developed be previous developer.
[08:01] <inq> its working fine on aws.
[08:02] <inq> by*
[08:02] <KLVTZ> Alright. Hmmm and those two .htaccess files are on aws as well?
[08:02] <inq> yes.
[08:02] <inq> it exact copy of aws.
[08:02] <inq> i only changed the ip address.
[08:03] <inq> there were many links for original aws web app in the database too. so i first changed link in database to point to new rackspace. and then migrated the web app.
[08:04] <inq> does changing "localhost" to "actual_ip_address" makes any difference?
[08:04] <KLVTZ> are you on an SSL load balancer?
[08:04] <inq> there is no ssl on original aws web app.
[08:04] <inq> and i dont know what is ssl load balancer.
[08:05] <KLVTZ> check out this
[08:05] <KLVTZ> http://www.localwisdom.com/blog/2012/10/htaccess-ssl-redirect-on-rackspace-cloud-sites/
[08:06] <inq> KLVTZ: but the original website do not ake use of ssl certificates. i checked with the owner. moodle has something inbuild to handle encryption.
[08:07] <inq> i read that article. but we dont have ssl.
[08:07] <KLVTZ> hmmm :|
[08:10] <KLVTZ> can do you try out something? I'm not sure if it will work but put in both htaccess: RewriteBase /
[08:11] <KLVTZ> and then restart server
[08:13] <KLVTZ> brb
[08:14] <inq> KLVTZ: tried rewrite base /. it still gives error this page is not redirecting properly.
[08:15] <inq> KLVTZ: does two seperate .htacces one for  moodle and one for joomla makes it complex and cause error?
[08:20] <KLVTZ> Are those two htacess files in the same directory?
[08:23] <inq> KLVTZ: no
[08:27] <TJ-> inq: Increase the RewiteLogLevel and check the log to see precisely what is being done
[08:27] <inq> TJ-: ok
[11:39] <babinlonston> GnuTLS error -15: An unexpected TLS packet was received. while login into my vsftpd Using ssl, How to fix it
[12:44] <krababbel> Is there a tutorial for using LDAPscripts with 'groupOfNames'? I can create groups and users using the scripts, when I objectclass is set to 'posixGroup', but not 'groupOfNames'. I have an empty LDAP directory, I just installed it.
[13:39] <TitoN> Hi i just got a dell r320 but after completed installation it stops before grub even loads.....it sits on looking for devices
[13:39] <smb> zul, Could you replace your version of ubuntu-xend-probe.patch with the one in my home on chinstrap before the official upload of libvirt-1.2.0 to Trusty, please. That should fix the libxl detection again.
[13:40] <TitoN> I did a raid 1....ended up with 1 virtual drive..... but i asume that is the problem..... maybe i should change ahci to raid instead
[13:40] <zul> smb:  yep
[13:40] <smb> Ta
[13:44] <TitoN> Anyone?
[15:00] <hallyn_> rbasak: i opened bugs 1261416 and 1261419 - not sure how involved you want to be.
[15:03] <rbasak> hallyn_: thanks. It's on my list, though don't know how involved I can get in it. If uvtool needs features to support those use cases, I can certainly look at adding those.
[15:13] <zul> roaksoax:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/keystoneclient-refresh/+merge/199139
[15:16] <jamespag`> zul, ?
[15:16] <zul> oh
[15:16] <zul> jamespag`:  when you get a sec https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/keystoneclient-refresh/+merge/199139
[15:17] <jamespag`> adam_g, zul: either of you have time to review my neutron and nova merges? I'd like to drop them into testing this week if possible
[15:17] <jamespag`>  https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/nova/compute-plus-others/+merge/198763
[15:17] <jamespag`>  https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/neutron/ml2-ovs-cleanup-fixes/+merge/198546
[15:17] <jamespag`> wait- thats me
[15:17] <jamespag`> hrm?
[15:18] <zul> jamespag`:  what does ml2 mean again?
[15:19] <jamespag`> zul, am I me again now?
[15:19] <jamespag`> nope
[15:19] <jamespag`> modular layer 2
[15:19] <zul> ah yes
[15:19] <zul> jamespag`:  +1 on both of them
[15:20] <jamespag`> zul, ta
[15:22] <jamespag`> zj
[15:22] <jamespag`> zul, ta
[16:17] <Chillaholic> How can i pass variables to a sed command? this is not working:   sed "/$1/d" $INDEX
[16:18] <Chillaholic> forget it , wrong chat xD
[16:37] <sarnold> hallyn_: did you get your EPERM sorted out? were you starting the program via a strace'd shell / terminal? you might need to grand capbility sys_trace to the tracer..
[16:42] <hallyn_> sarnold: yeah thanks, got past that.
[16:42] <hallyn_> sarnold: i thought things used to be more consistent re EPERM vs EACCES
[16:42] <hallyn_> but when non-root tries to read a roto file i'm getting EACCES...
[16:43] <hallyn_> sarnold: thanks :)
[16:44] <sarnold> hallyn_: tbh the handful of times I thought I understood the EPERM vs EACCES errors, I was probably just deluding myself :) hehe
[16:50] <hallyn_> sarnold: i'm pretty sure it used to be that EACCESS meant lsm denied it
[16:53] <sarnold> hallyn_: hrm, what did it mean before lsms?
[16:54] <hallyn_> sarnold: dunno :)
[16:54] <sarnold> hehe :)
[16:55] <hallyn_> sarnold: anyway at this point i'm at a loss for why i can't get libvirt-launched qemu to do pulseaudio, and i'm out of time :(
[16:55] <sarnold> hallyn_ :(
[17:37] <mdma> Hi! Any guy with nagios knowledge? Last Check time stamp is incorrect...
[17:44] <Pici> mdma: You may want to ask in #nagios as well.
[17:44] <mdma> Sorry no answer in nagios....
[18:53] <krababbel> Is there a tutorial for using LDAPscripts with 'groupOfNames'? I can create groups and users using the scripts, when I objectclass is set to 'posixGroup', but not 'groupOfNames'. I have an empty LDAP directory, I just installed it.
[20:34] <RealKillaz> Hi there guys
[20:35] <RealKillaz> The last couple of months we have been hit very hard by crashes of various servers running ubuntu 10.04
[20:35] <RealKillaz> Some of them in different locations....
[20:36] <RealKillaz> First question: how can I find out why a server crashed in the logs?  We've been looking and searching .. no luck
[20:37] <RealKillaz> Is there like a action plan to follow.... to find out the root cause of the crash?
[20:40] <pmatulis> RealKillaz: study linux-crashdump package
[20:41] <pmatulis> a recent ubuntu server guide has a writeup
[20:47] <lickalott> gents, still looking for backup options.
[20:56] <lickalott> i've messed with FSarchiver, but can't configure because of some blkid issue (no googling will help apparently).  I've done a dd copy but I don't want the entire drive "imaged" when less than 1/2 is actually used, and clonezilla is a little too intrusive (i.e. reboot to get an image).  So I'm looking for help with either other options or to install clonezilla to the hdd.
[20:57] <phunyguy> lickalott, please don't crosspost :(
[21:03] <RealKillaz> pmatulis, looks good thank you... will look into it
[22:56] <lickalott> I can never get answers in here.  I've literally been asking for 3 days and the ONLY person to even say anything was you phunyguy
[22:59] <sarnold> lickalott: check out rsnapshot, rdiff, tarsnap (not free, not locally hosted, but looks neat). check out duplicity
[23:00] <lickalott> I F*ckin love you sarnold
[23:00] <lickalott> thank you!
[23:00] <sarnold> :)
[23:12] <lickalott> really?  that's specifically why I added the *
[23:12] <lickalott> ^^ wasn't towards you sarnold
[23:27] <phunyguy> lickalott: just because you put the *, doesn't NOT make it a swear.
[23:27] <phunyguy> lickalott: so please try to keep it family friendly.
[23:27] <lickalott> rog
[23:28] <phunyguy> lickalott: also, sidenote, did someone else say something to you about it too?
[23:28] <phunyguy> because I didn't see it... wonder what is going on with Freenodeexample.
[23:28] <phunyguy> err accidental paste
[23:29] <lickalott> got a pm from ubottu.
[23:29] <phunyguy> because I didn't see it... wonder what is going on with Freenode.**
[23:29] <phunyguy> oh, ubottu is a bot.
[23:29] <phunyguy> someone probably sent that to you.
[23:29] <phunyguy> that is why I clarified.
[23:29] <lickalott> yeah, someone sent it.    Just have to keep it clean. :)
[23:30] <lickalott> it's just funny.  i could've not added the * (like most other douches on irc) but i specficially chose to do it to mask the actual word, yet I still get my balls busted over it.  Not a big deal, but there was intent to keep it clean.
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[01:52] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:28] <isapgswell> hi
[02:31] <isapgswell> anyone knows why ubuntu software still lags to respond user input
[02:31] <isapgswell> ?
[06:12] <ducasse> good morning
[06:17] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:25] <Sparc343> Mornin'
[07:07] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[07:25] <jo-erlend> marcoagpinto :)
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> any official statements from canonical regarding libera chat yet?
[15:05] <leftyfb> I saw this this morning but not sure of anything beyond it, not even sure what it means exactly:
[15:05] <leftyfb> [09:08:14] <topyli> well the alma folks seem to have some info that redhat and canonical are going to offer some guidance to the communities they support
[15:05] <leftyfb> [09:08:49] <topyli> they have no "direct" power of course over whatever fedora and ubuntu do, but de facto they do have a say :)
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: chanserv on libera not claimed #ubuntu yet so it seems
[15:07] <leftyfb> I'm sure that won't be a problem when it/if it comes to pass
[17:11] <TJ-> Are the ubuntu channels moving to libera?
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> seems like it TJ-
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409/
[17:13] <TJ-> yeah, I know... was reading it a few days ago
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> but no official ubuntu/canonical statements yet
[17:17] <TJ-> looks like IRC council caught on the hop again :)
[18:33] <hggdh> there is also https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad
[18:35] <hggdh> as far as I know there is no official position from Ubuntu on this. As of now.
[18:46] <Eickmeyer> This is to be discussed by the CC as it's a CC position.