[00:01] <bjsnider> you can have all the workspaces you need if you use gnome
[01:07] <fyksen> I have just installed 13.04. Everything is set up, but I can't change the mouse sensitivity under mouse settings. Just the Left/right and the toubbleclick
[01:10] <wilee-nilee> fyksen, I noticed the speed control is rather sensitive and only changes in the first milimeter of the left side.
[01:20] <johnjohn1011> i can't believe it's almost here
[01:29] <jackw> me too
[01:29] <jackw> cant wait for 13.04
[01:29] <jackw> i really want to the performance of Unity
[01:31] <johnjohn1011> wondering if they will port the new unity back to 12.04?
[01:39] <bjsnider> not a chance
[01:42] <bjsnider> small stuff can be backported, not big stuff
[01:47] <leolove> Hi
[01:47] <leolove> I need help with my wireless and 13.04
[01:47] <leolove> Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe
[01:47] <leolove> It disconnects intermittently.
[01:47] <leolove> And restarting network-manager solves it.
[01:48] <leolove> It is not scanning network at the moment
[02:00] <bjsnider> i guess it disconnected again
[02:05] <Belial> anyone else think the appmenu looks kind of off with the nautilus 3.6.x?
[02:05] <Belial> or "files" 3.6.x
[02:05] <tyrog> me
[02:06] <Belial> that large space between the title of the app and the actual one button menu just doesn't look right.
[02:06] <Belial> nitpicky, sure. but it drives me nuts.
[02:07] <tyrog> Its the solution canonical chose. But I hope they come with something better for 13.10
[02:09] <tyrog> Belial: You can use alternative file managers if you dont like
[02:09] <Belial> i'm not sure if i'd go that far. but i actually did think about it.
[02:10] <tyrog> Yes. I can live with it too
[02:10] <blob4000> has anyone else lost the ability to open the About This Computer menu from the top right in 13.04?
[02:10] <blob4000> this is in Virtualbox, mind you
[02:10] <Belial> mine is working fine.
[02:10] <blob4000> nothing happens
[02:10] <blob4000> ok
[02:10] <tyrog> blob4000: mine too
[02:11] <blob4000> kk
[02:11] <blob4000> did you guys update from apt, or from iso?
[02:11] <blob4000> or fresh install?
[02:12] <tyrog> blob4000: fresh
[02:13] <wilee-nilee> blob4000, Have you tried logging out than back in or a reboot?
[02:15] <blob4000> wilee-nilee: yes,
[02:15] <blob4000> i'm going to be doing the update to 13.04 on hardware shortly, so i'll let you know if anything's reproducable that i can see
[02:19] <tyrog> blob4000: Wait for the announcement and upgrade notes
[02:22] <blob4000> tyrog: kk
[03:06] <blob4000> for those already running 13.04. impressions so far?
[03:06] <blob4000> stability, new features, speed
[03:06] <tyrog> blob4000: Faster to boot and shutdown
[03:07] <tyrog> Unity is faster than ever too. Stability is better than 12.10
[03:08] <Mneumonic> blob4000 I don't say this lightly.  Ubuntu 13.04 is the best version of Ubuntu that i've ever used.
[03:08] <Mneumonic> It's even more stable for me than 10.04 and 10.10 were
[03:08] <tyrog> If you are using or plan to use Unity, then 13.04 is the best you can get
[03:08] <Mneumonic> I've liked Unity since it was introduced but this is the first time that I can actually recommend it over other desktops
[03:09] <tyrog> Mneumonic: From my experience all desktops are stellar, except the GNOME edition, where I get internal problems
[03:10] <tyrog> popups
[03:10] <blob4000> Mneumonic & tyrog: wow, that's exciting :P
[03:10] <blob4000> I am a Unity user
[03:10] <Mneumonic> tyrog I don't doubt xu, ku and lu are all great.  12.10 xubuntu was amazing for me.
[03:10] <Mneumonic> blob4000 if you use Unity, 13.04 is a no brainer
[03:10] <Mneumonic> Unity is lightning fast
[03:10] <blob4000> cool- looking forward to it
[03:10] <tyrog> blob4000: MUCH improved from anything before it
[03:11] <blob4000> Mneumonic: did you install from apt, iso, or fresh?
[03:11] <Mneumonic> It's actually kinda weird, I've been running 13.04 for a week and had no issues at all.
[03:11] <blob4000> sorry i meant, update or fresh
[03:11] <tyrog> In my experience, much faster than gnome shell for example
[03:11] <Mneumonic> I installed from daily iso
[03:11] <blob4000> kk
[03:11] <blob4000> do you guys recommend update from iso over apt?
[03:11] <Mneumonic> I always recommend a fresh install instead of an upgrade
[03:12] <blob4000> mk
[03:12] <Mneumonic> In the past I've experienced some weird errors with upgrades
[03:12] <tyrog> Alt+tab transitions, speed to open Dash with Super/windows key, multitasking
[03:12] <blob4000> do you keep your home folder seperate?
[03:12] <Mneumonic> i don't.
[03:12] <tyrog> minimizing, maximizing, everything is smooth
[03:12] <blob4000> tyrog: nice
[03:13] <tyrog> blob4000: Fresh install is always better.
[03:13] <tyrog> 13.04 is a very good release so it deserves one anyway xD
[03:14] <blob4000> when you guys do a fresh install, do you backup your home folders elsewhere? or some other trick?
[03:14] <tyrog> Yep, backup home folder. Some people have a separate /home partition to prevent that
[03:16] <Mneumonic> I don't backup my home folder, but that's because I'm crazy
[03:16] <Mneumonic> I keep everything synced to dropbox/ubuntu one and blow everything off my hard drive
[03:17] <blob4000> right on guys,
[03:17] <blob4000> thanks for the tips!
[03:17] <tyrog> blob4000: I didn't mean you shouldn't upgrade. As long as you have your ubuntu 12.10 without crazy PPAs, upgrade route should be smooth
[03:17] <blob4000> yeah, it's also that i'm coming from 12.04,
[03:17] <blob4000> going to 12.10 was a bit of a bump
[03:17] <blob4000> so i might just go fresh
[03:17] <blob4000> i don't have all that much on that machine
[03:17] <tyrog> blob4000: There are reports of people using ubuntu upgraded for years without problems
[03:18] <blob4000> yeah true,
[03:18] <tyrog> for others, one upgrade makes the system unbootable. So YMMV, but if statistics count for you, most people upgrade just fine or with minor tweaks needed
[03:18] <blob4000> i don't really have the time to fiddle as much though, i can see that working for an ubuntu server or other window manager, but unity seems to get gummed up with updates
[03:18] <Mneumonic> For me it really comes down to this.  If it's not too inconvenient to do a fresh install, do one.
[03:18] <blob4000> yeah makes sense
[03:19] <tyrog> thats for sure
[03:19] <Mneumonic> oh blob4000, one more thing
[03:19] <Mneumonic> if you weren't already sold
[03:19] <Mneumonic> Ubuntu 13.04 is the linux distro that has gotten me nearly completely off of windows
[03:19] <blob4000> that's great to hear,
[03:19] <Mneumonic> My windows partition is literally a League of Legends and Defiance gaming OS
[03:19] <tyrog> 12.04 lts already did that for me
[03:19] <blob4000> i use Windows only when i absolutely have to, and that's becoming increasingly rare
[03:20] <blob4000> nice,
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> 12.10 64bit on a ssd did it for me
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> fast as rocket
[03:20] <Mneumonic> ha
[03:20] <Mneumonic> wow
[03:20] <Mneumonic> have you been to phoronix today?
[03:20] <tyrog> Mneumonic: try to run them with wine.
[03:20] <Mneumonic> They ran benchmarks of Manjaro linux (arch + XFCE) against Ubuntu 13.04....guess which one performed better
[03:21] <Belial> 6-2 ubuntu
[03:21] <tyrog> Wine has improved a lot over the years, to the point of running most dx9 games today
[03:21] <Mneumonic> yep
[03:21] <blob4000> wow!
[03:21] <Mneumonic> yea, I can run LoL in wine but I get an abysmal framerate.
[03:21] <blob4000> wine amazes me
[03:21] <Mneumonic> Defiance runs fine but my xbox 360 controller doesn't work in wine
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> and playonlinux package
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> and upcomming steam games
[03:21] <tyrog> oh yea, there is steam too
[03:22] <blob4000> i can't believe we already have Steam on linux, that seemed like such a quick process to go from announcement to release
[03:22] <Mneumonic> steam for linux is growing nicely
[03:22] <tyrog> Mneumonic: Ubuntu won the benchmark?
[03:22] <blob4000> ubuntu made that happen,
[03:22] <Mneumonic> tyrog yep.
[03:22] <tyrog> against Arch? wow!
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> check this out: http://www.alienware.com/ubuntu/
[03:23] <tyrog> blob4000: and windows 8 too. Thank you M$
[03:23] <Belial> doesn't surprise me. arch system may seem more responsive, but responsiveness doesn't always equal better performance.
[03:23] <Mneumonic> for example, Warsow:  Manjaro - 29.27, Ubuntu 13.04 = 32.23
[03:23] <tyrog> Mneumonic: Is that benchmark with Unity? Because they vary with each DE
[03:23] <Mneumonic> At first I thought Arch was really cool when I tried it....I quickly realized it isn't really any better.  It's just different....and less intuitive.
[03:23] <Mneumonic> tyrop yep, it's 13.04 out of the box with unity
[03:23] <Belial> which is the surprising part.
[03:24] <blob4000> tyrog: totally true. windows 8 is a disaster for them
[03:24] <Belial> unity outshining xfce.
[03:24] <blob4000> tyrog: but a blessing for us
[03:24] <tyrog> Belial: actually arch is very responsive. But Ubuntu has improved a lot since steam was released for it in the first place
[03:24] <Belial> definitely
[03:24] <blob4000> Mneumonic: agreed re: arch
[03:24] <Belial> i first ran arch back in 06
[03:24] <Belial> love it, but i don't have time to tinker with the system.
[03:24] <Mneumonic> Arch was too unstable for me.
[03:25] <tyrog> Unity outshining xfce is absolutely incredible. I think I will run my own benchmarks across the whole 13.04 family lol
[03:25] <Mneumonic> I know some users tell you that their arch install never breaks...mine was constantly breaking with updates
[03:25] <Belial> also, i don't like how they ditched their old installer in favor for scripts.
[03:25] <blob4000> when did the enforcement of longer passwords come along? 13.04?
[03:26] <Mneumonic> I should really just buy Defiance for my PS3 so I can make Ubuntu my only OS
[03:26] <tyrog> Mneumonic: Actually Manjaro is to Arch what Ubuntu was to Debian in the first place
[03:26] <Mneumonic> In Manjaro's defence, it has the most beautiful XFCE theme I've ever seen
[03:26] <tyrog> Manjaro is very good by all means. Surprises me more then seeing Unity beating Xfce
[03:26] <Belial> yeah, it's a good looking theme.
[03:27] <Belial> but the numix gtk theme is off the chain.
[03:27] <Mneumonic> omg, numix looks incredible.
[03:27] <Mneumonic> Can I use it with unity?
[03:27] <Belial> yeah
[03:27] <Belial> i've been using it.
[03:27] <Mneumonic> It works well with 13.04?
[03:27] <Belial> unity, gnome shell, xfce
[03:27] <blob4000> one thing i'm not clear on, when you update to a new release, let's say 13.04.. your ppas are out of date? like some of them are still expecting 'quantal' releases?
[03:27] <Belial> yep
[03:28] <tyrog> blob4000: Upgrade Manager disables them for you
[03:28] <blob4000> tyrog: but what if i want that software to stay up to date? i have to find a new ppa that supports raring?
[03:28] <tyrog> After the upgrade you need to re-add them
[03:28] <Mneumonic> I'm so anxious for 13.04 to release so I can do a fresh install
[03:29] <blob4000> tyrog: thanks ok
[03:29] <tyrog> Mneumonic: Me 2. Even considering I did a fresh install from the Monday daily lol
[03:29] <tyrog> blob4000: I dont have many PPAs. Just the ones strictly needed. So that's not a problem for me
[03:29] <Mneumonic> tyrog it's my OCD.  I just have to "know" that it's an install from the official release
[03:29] <Belial> Mneumonic, http://ubuntuone.com/47EOMnfN5bdILCL6AyIzhN
[03:30] <Mneumonic> Belial, that is beautiful
[03:30] <Mneumonic> that is actually one of the best themes I've ever seen
[03:30] <Belial> yeah, it's pretty damn sweet. easy on the eyes.
[03:31] <Mneumonic> i'm installing it now to test it in unity
[03:31] <Mneumonic> Is it wrong that I love the 13.04 ringtail wallpaper
[03:31] <Mneumonic> the purple one with the cartoon ringtail on it
[03:32] <Belial> it's not bad
[03:32] <Belial> i don't like the new version of purple salad.
[03:32] <tyrog> Belial: where is your Unity bar?
[03:32] <tyrog> xD
[03:32] <tyrog> hidden?
[03:32] <Belial> i autohide it
[03:32] <Mneumonic> omg
[03:32] <Mneumonic> blob4000 I forgot the best feature of 13.04
[03:33] <Mneumonic> They don't force you to have the workspace switcher on your unity panel
[03:33] <tyrog> I dont like autohide, enjoy always watching the icons right there xD
[03:33] <tyrog> Mneumonic: i enabled it myself anyway
[03:33] <Mneumonic> brb, gonna restart
[03:34] <tyrog> Belial: simple theme, I like it. Are you still doing adjustments?
[03:35] <blob4000> i wish i could get in the habit of using the workspace switcher more
[03:35] <Belial> oh, well the theme isn't by me.
[03:35] <tyrog> blob4000: the button, or the workspaces themselves?
[03:35] <blob4000> tyrog: both!
[03:36] <blob4000> i find that i'm often hunting for windows that are actually groupable, and should be on distinct workspaces
[03:36] <blob4000> i'm a real alt-tabber
[03:36] <Belial> http://ubuntuone.com/73E5sPSTNsNfyhb1jBHo7C there's one with the launcher
[03:36] <blob4000> i should get into the workspace keyboard shortcuts, because i prefer to work from the keyboard much more
[03:36] <tyrog> blob4000: They help you extend the desktop, giving you more area and also more organization
[03:37] <tyrog> When I do some heavy multitasking, I get easily confused if I don't use them
[03:37] <blob4000> Belial: that looks like a nice desktop :P
[03:37] <tyrog> blob4000: You just need to memorize the shortcuts table of Unity
[03:37] <tyrog> Then you are a Unity power-user xD
[03:37] <Belial> thanks, blob4000
[03:37] <Belial> i'm happy with it
[03:38] <blob4000> Belial: is that image resized, or what resolution monitor is that from?
[03:38] <Belial> it's a cheapo acer
[03:38] <Belial> 15.6in with a 1366x768 res
[03:38] <tyrog> Belial: Your desktop is "asking" for a Conky xD
[03:38] <Belial> it's two years old.
[03:38] <Belial> i would actually like a big conky clock
[03:38] <blob4000> oh here's a random quiz: favourite irc client when on unity?
[03:38] <Belial> i use xchat
[03:39] <blob4000> pidgin for me at the moment
[03:39] <Belial> Mneumonic, if you use firefox, then the fxchrome addon goes really well with that theme. http://ubuntuone.com/73E5sPSTNsNfyhb1jBHo7C
[03:39] <Mneumonic> tyrog...wow...numix <3
[03:40] <Mneumonic> Belial, I use chrome.  Chrome looks amazing in Numix
[03:40] <Belial> there is an actual numix theme for chrome.
[03:40] <Belial> but i haven't tried.
[03:41] <Belial> i don't use chrome mainly because the tab animations are really jerky in the linux version for some reason.
[03:41] <Mneumonic> trying the chrome theme now
[03:41] <Belial> stupid reason, but i'm really picky with that stuff.
[03:41] <tyrog> Belial: I use chromium lol
[03:41] <Belial> i think it did it for me with chromium too.
[03:41] <tyrog> Faster and Lighter than Firefox
[03:42] <Belial> every time i open a new tab, the animation is real choppy.
[03:42] <Mneumonic> wow, the chrome theme is awesome
[03:42] <tyrog> I don't care too much about those details too. I prefer smoothness in the browsing experience
[03:42] <Belial> i hear ya.
[03:43] <Belial> blob4000, speaking of chrome and irc, if you do use chrome, circ is a new irc client for chrome.
[03:43] <tyrog> Belial: For example, Firefox scrolling is very clunky for me
[03:43] <Belial> i disable smooth scrolling in firefox.
[03:43] <Belial> because it isn't as good as in chrome.
[03:44] <tyrog> yes, definitely
[03:44] <Belial> eventually, if i want to see flash at all i'll be forced to chrome.
[03:44] <Mneumonic> wow i just found hte "Unity Tweak Tool" In the software center.  This is awesome software
[03:44] <Belial> which won't be a big deal.
[03:45] <tyrog> Belial: I saw on the screenshot that your kernel is somewhat outdated. Any reason for that?
[03:45] <Belial> that was an old screenshot
[03:46] <tyrog> oh, ok
[03:46] <Belial> http://ubuntuone.com/3YiX0yka17mor8MxSV5Xsg
[03:46] <Belial> there we go
[03:47] <blob4000> nice!
[03:47] <blob4000> i'm surprised Unity doesn't come with more themes
[03:47] <tyrog> WOW. That theme is getting me crazy
[03:47] <tyrog> Are there variants?
[03:48] <blob4000> everyone wished Windows 8 would look like that...
[03:48] <blob4000> and not some bizarre half tablet thing
[03:48] <Belial> you can change the colors with the gtk color chooser
[03:48] <Belial> as far as the reddish highlights
[03:48] <tyrog> Windows 8 looks nice, looks aren't its problem imo
[03:49] <Belial> like to blue, etc.
[03:49] <Mneumonic> I have to be honest, Windows 8 surprised me
[03:49] <Belial> they're going to be releasing an icon theme soon too.
[03:49] <Mneumonic> It is the best version of Windows I've ever used
[03:49] <johnjohn1011> why aren't there more schemes for unity?
[03:49] <Mneumonic> however...they expect users to use key combinations for everything and find hidden menus...it is failing hard
[03:49] <johnjohn1011> you like windows 8?
[03:49] <Mneumonic> Yea, for performance it is amazing.
[03:49] <Mneumonic> For a Windows OS I mean
[03:49] <Belial> http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/092/2/4/numix___gtk3_theme_by_satya164-d5ygul6.jpg there's part of the icon theme
[03:49] <Belial> not released yet
[03:50] <Belial> and that's inside of gnome-shell.
[03:50] <Belial> windows 8 is definitely an improvement over windows 7.
[03:50] <johnjohn1011> Belial: nice
[03:50] <Belial> i like what they did with the desktop theme.
[03:50] <Belial> but i wasn't crazy about metro.
[03:50] <tyrog> Mneumonic: Windows 8 is very fast. But once you fullfill the hard drive, the usual array of trouble comes xD
[03:50] <Belial> mixing uis to me is kind of weird.
[03:51] <Belial> i like consistency.
[03:51] <Mneumonic> So do I, but I could tell from day 1 that Windows 8 would not catch on with casual users
[03:51] <johnjohn1011> yeah I tried to use windows 8 and it was having to learn all new paradigms for accessing data
[03:51] <Belial> i don't like how the modern interface uses fullscreen for everything.
[03:51] <tyrog> johnjohn1011: The same for Unity. Except Unity at least makes some sense for the desktop user i think
[03:51] <Belial> especially if you're using a big ass monitor with a high res.
[03:51] <Belial> why waste all that screen real estate?
[03:52] <johnjohn1011> i like unity. took about 3-4 weeks
[03:52] <Mneumonic> Windows 8 does a lot of things right....and some crucial things wrong
[03:52] <Belial> yeah unity grew on me
[03:52] <Belial> especially after 12.04
[03:52] <tyrog> Belial: That Snap feature with a Metro app + Win32 app is just ridiculous, sucks a lot
[03:52] <Belial> the dash + hud is an awesome combo
[03:52] <johnjohn1011> oh yeah it sucks
[03:52] <johnjohn1011> HUD is the best
[03:52] <tyrog> Actually "grow on you" is the best description I find for Unity
[03:52] <johnjohn1011> best part of unity imho
[03:53] <tyrog> In the beginning, it is VERY weird
[03:53] <Belial> yeah it's definitely different
[03:53] <Belial> i just wish they'd show the appmenu all the time
[03:53] <Belial> or have an option for it
[03:53] <Belial> doesn't make sense for it to hide
[03:53] <tyrog> For me that is ok
[03:53] <Mneumonic> Windows key + A goes to the app menu
[03:54] <Mneumonic> in unity
[03:54] <Belial> i mean the global menu
[03:54] <tyrog> Belial: that is an innovation. Definitely helps to gain space for the content of your programs
[03:55] <tyrog> Gnome shell could learn from this, instead they chose to create the Appmenu (cf. Nautilus)
[03:55] <Belial> i like having the global menu
[03:55] <Belial> i just want it to show all the time in the top panel
[03:55] <johnjohn1011> global menu needs to show all the time for noobs.
[03:55] <Belial> there's nothing else using that space.
[03:55] <tyrog> Belial: title bar?
[03:55] <johnjohn1011> not intuitive for new users if nothing is showing
[03:55] <Belial> ah yeah, i guess if everything were maximized.
[03:56] <tyrog> from a software design point-of-view, it must be very difficult to merge titlebar with the menus
[03:56] <Belial> maybe show it for unmaximized windows and hide it when they're maximized to display the titlebar.
[03:56] <Belial> kde has it down pretty good.
[03:56] <Belial> in 4.10
[03:56] <Belial> the button menu works for everything and anything.
[03:56] <Belial> qt, gtk
[03:57] <Mneumonic> So, any gamers in here?
[03:57] <Belial> or you can use it like unity does.
[03:57] <Mneumonic> if so, what games?
[03:57] <tyrog> KDE has grown very much on me lately too. I will have to decide between it and Unity
[03:57] <Belial> i'm somewhat a gamer.
[03:57] <Belial> but for some reason bumblebee isn't working for me right now.
[03:57] <johnjohn1011> i don't game, ever since ubuntu got rid of same-gnome   hee hee
[03:57] <tyrog> Belial: NVIDIA has released drivers that work with optimus
[03:57] <Belial> yeah, but they stay on all the time.
[03:58] <Belial> uses the nvidia card to display everything.
[03:58] <tyrog> Im talking about the 319-series beta
[03:58] <Belial> right
[03:58] <Belial> it never turns off the nvidia card.
[03:58] <Belial> so battery life is still terrible.
[03:58] <tyrog> lol
[03:58] <Belial> but it's a step in the right direction.
[03:58] <tyrog> so what is the point?
[03:58] <tyrog> In windows you can choose
[03:58] <tyrog> app by app
[03:58] <Belial> yeah
[03:58] <Belial> they're getting there
[03:58] <johnjohn1011> when are they ever going to open source all that? it's about time
[03:58] <tyrog> what you want to use one, or the other
[03:59] <tyrog> johnjohn1011: NVIDIA? Not a single line of code
[03:59] <Belial> there's been a lot of progress since valve jumped on the linux wagon.
[03:59] <tyrog> Nouveau is reverse-engineered
[03:59] <johnjohn1011> yeah but it's still far behind
[03:59] <Belial> yeah the opensource drivers are pretty bad for gaming.
[04:00] <tyrog> Because it is reverse engineered
[04:00] <Belial> even the radeon drivers.
[04:00] <tyrog> NVIDIA doesn't care, doesn't want to help
[04:00] <johnjohn1011> you figure with the china market, they wouid want everyone to use the graphics
[04:00] <johnjohn1011> ubuntu china release
[04:01] <tyrog> Belial: Depends on the card. Older cards perform better
[04:01] <tyrog> The ones that AMD already dropped officially
[04:01] <Belial> ah
[04:02] <Belial> i haven't had an amd/ati card since the x850 pro
[04:02] <Belial> 256mb
[04:02] <Belial> awesome card.
[04:03] <Belial> i think i was choking it with my cpu though
[04:04] <Belial> all i had was a p4 2.8C northwood
[04:04] <Belial> i think at the time an amd athlon64 would have pushed it a bit better.
[04:04] <johnjohn1011> ha
[04:04] <Belial> the "c" series northwoods were good cpus though
[04:04] <Belial> they were made to compete with athlonxps
[04:05] <Belial> then they went to prescott after the northwood c
[04:05] <Belial> which was garbage.
[04:06] <johnjohn1011> so steam runs better on nvidia?
[04:06] <Belial> i don't know. i imagine in linux it does.
[04:06] <Belial> but on windows it all depends on the card.
[04:07] <Belial> i know they were able to get more performance out of l4d2 in linux than on windows with an nvidia card.
[04:07] <Belial> i think it was l4d2.
[04:08] <blob4000> yep
[04:08] <johnjohn1011> going to be a royal mess when wayland/mir come out
[04:10] <Mneumonic> i'm hoping nvidia even decides to support wayland or mir
[04:10] <johnjohn1011> have they considered balking?
[04:13] <Belial> i'm thinking nvidia is going to support mir.
[04:13] <Belial> especially since the next lts is going to be with mir and valve is only focusing mainly on lts releases.
[04:14] <blob4000> when did ubuntu start enforcing longer passwords for user accounts?
[04:15] <johnjohn1011> i still use password as my password
[04:31] <blob4000> johnjohn1011 haha
[04:43] <roxan> :D out yet ?
[05:02] <sebsebseb> hi
[05:05] <Mneumonic> hi sebsebseb
[05:05] <sebsebseb> Mneumonic: hi
[05:27] <blob4000> ok guys, well i took the plunge early, and installed 13.04..... and it's amazing!
[05:27] <blob4000> it's so much faster
[05:29] <dom134> Is it out on general release yet?
[05:35] <Tex_Nick> dom134:  I think final release is scheduled for April 25
[05:36] <blob4000> dom134: no
[05:36] <blob4000> i just updated early :P
[05:37] <dom134> thanks, will update soonest
[05:48] <N1031982> What time is the release os 13.04 and in what time zone?
[05:53] <pskeshu> Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 13.04, and I'm unable to connect to my campus wifi
[05:53] <pskeshu> with PEAP and MSCHAP
[05:54] <pskeshu> can someone help me?
[05:56] <vanishing> hi guys
[05:57] <vanishing> has raring been released?
[07:18] <lucidfox> So at what time (UTC) will Raring be considered officially released?
[07:20] <valorie> once it's out
[07:20] <valorie> !raring
[07:21] <valorie> huh
[07:21] <valorie> helpful
[07:21] <OerHeks> you are in the right place to ask, but i don't know
[07:22] <valorie> based on past experience, they flip the switch when they are ready
[07:22] <valorie> on 10.10.10 they wanted it at 10
[07:22] <valorie> I don't think they made it though
[07:24] <lucidfox> hah
[07:24] <elmargol> lucidfox, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce subscribe and you know
[07:24] <lucidfox> at 10:10:10?
[07:25] <valorie> not sure how recursive they got
[07:38] <Ergo^> is it out yet? :PP
[07:39] <OerHeks> If you cannot download it, it is not.
[07:41] <Ergo^> it wasnt a serious question ;-)
[07:41] <Ergo^> but im kind of surprised there is no countdown timer on ubuntu.com
[07:46] <yeehi> At what time today is Raring released?
[07:48] <valorie> heh
[07:48] <valorie> when it's ready
[07:48] <OerHeks> Yes.
[07:48] <valorie> time to leave this chan for me, I think
[07:48] <valorie> have fun
[07:57] <bazhang> !info systemd
[08:01] <Ergo^> yeehi: ubuntu usually gets releases about 17 my time
[08:01] <Ergo^> which is about 7h from now
[08:02] <lucidfox> And your time is?
[08:02] <lucidfox> oh
[08:03] <yeehi> what is your time zone, Ergo^
[08:03] <Ergo^> gmt+1
[08:06] <pk___> so.. is final release on schedule?
[08:08] <pk___> if so, where will it hit first?
[08:12] <bhavesh> Should I upgrade to Ubuntu 13.04 from Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS with Cinnamon (If I don't care about unity)?
[08:13] <bazhang> bhavesh, what does cinnamon have to do with it
[08:13] <bhavesh> bazhang, Most of the upgrades in Ubuntu 13.04 are related to unity..
[08:13] <bhavesh> so should I upgrade if I won't be using unity?
[08:14] <bazhang> bhavesh, thats entirely your decision
[08:14] <bhavesh> I am asking for an advice, lol
[08:14] <bazhang> to simplify it to its only about unity, is a mistake
[08:15] <bazhang> its waaaay more than unity bhavesh
[08:15] <yeehi> i have raring daily build updated, is it a good idea to reinstall using the gold release that comes out today?
[08:15] <bazhang> !final | yeehi
[08:15] <bazhang> yeehi, if you want really slow servers, then yes
[08:15] <bhavesh> bazhang, kay
[08:15] <yeehi> thank, bazhang!
[08:15] <bhavesh> I will have to do a fresh install, or upgrade to 12.10 first :(
[08:16] <bazhang> ubottu, slow
[08:16] <yeehi> will i get all the nice wallpaper and splash screens and everything just by a sudo apt-get update, bazhang?
[08:16] <bazhang> yeehi, well that and what is mentioned above, yeah
[08:17] <yeehi> thank you bazhang, i just wanted to confirm
[08:17] <bazhang> np
[08:17] <bhavesh> Waiting for two years for next LTS release is quite hard
[08:17] <bazhang> you'll hit final before anyone else
[08:17] <bhavesh> ill upgrade to Ubuntu 12.10 right now :)
[08:17] <bhavesh> final?
[08:18] <bazhang> bhavesh, why not just use the raring install to preserve /home
[08:19] <maxb> Today is pretty much the worst possible day to be upgrading things. The archive mirrors will be under exceptional load as everyone tries to do it
[08:20] <bazhang> unless you like that sort of thing, which some seem to
[08:21]  * bhavesh_ fixes DSL cable
[08:23] <bhavesh> I still cannot decide if I should use 12.04 or 13.04 :(
[08:34] <pk___> !torrents
[08:34] <lucidfox> Use 13.04
[08:35] <lucidfox> I'd say
[08:37] <Ergo^> if it will be usable
[08:37] <Ergo^> 12.10 was a mess
[08:44] <Atlantic777> Ergo^: I'm using 13.04 for about 3 months and it works great. :)
[08:45] <Ergo^> 12.04 and 12.10 were ugly mess, all kinds of errors popped in and crash reports
[08:45] <Ergo^> hopefully 13.04 is ok in this regard
[08:46] <k1l_> Ergo^: they changed it to report every error with apport. that doesnt mean its more unstable then before
[08:47] <Atlantic777> Yup, I've got two machines (laptop and desktop), the same setup, similar hardware, installed 12.04 the same day and on laptop it works great and I still have troubless on desktop.
[08:47] <Atlantic777> And I'm talking about those annoying random bug reports and "system crashes".
[08:52] <pk___> ooh! torrents are up!
[08:52] <pk___> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/raring/desktop/ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[08:53] <pk___> and also isos
[09:20] <Ergo^> pk___: the links can change - like they changed in past multiple times
[09:21] <pk___> if there's some last second bug and they have to make new builds ?
[09:23] <Ergo^> pk___: nah ;-) the torrents may just lead to some previous rc build
[09:23] <Ergo^> lat time it was like this
[09:23] <Ergo^> checksums changed
[09:24] <Ergo^> its way too late to do any changes in the image itself :]
[09:24] <k1l_> just wait for the official release. thats it
[09:24] <pk___> well the isos are there as well
[09:25] <Ergo^> exactly
[09:25] <Ergo^> pk___: ok not the checksums
[09:25] <Ergo^> and check them after announcment
[09:25] <Ergo^> there is 90% of chance they will be different
[09:25] <Ergo^> i know everything is there
[09:25] <Ergo^> its like this eevery year and people get banned for posting links to that
[09:25] <Ergo^> :-)
[09:25] <pk___> oops.
[09:25] <pk___> :)
[09:26] <Ergo^> maybe they released everything earlier
[09:26] <Ergo^> but i doubt
[20:12] <pedor>  anyone saw mark stepping back about rolling release? http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
[20:12] <pedor> that's not the link, this is the correct one: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1252
[20:50] <k1l> pedor: i dont see news about rolling or not rolling in that
[20:54] <ethang> I upgraded kubuntu to 13.04 and now my desktop is gone.  Perfect login screen, asks for my KDE Wallet password just fine, even opens Skype, but no desktop.  Just blackness.
[20:55] <ethang> any ideas?
[20:56] <pedor> ethang: I had the same problem... but I had tomatoid installed without the dependencies. it was a fresh install?
[20:56] <ethang> no, upgrade from 12.10
[20:57] <pedor> kubuntu? or ubuntu + kde?
[20:58] <ethang> kubuntu
[20:59] <pedor> :/ I have no idea, but try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:59] <pedor> you can open krunner, right/
[21:00] <ethang> pedor: krunner?
[21:00] <pedor> alt+F2
[21:00] <ethang> I'll try
[21:00] <ethang> yes
[21:01] <pedor> alt+F2 and tipe konsole
[21:01] <pedor> *type
[21:01] <ethang> it's open
[21:01] <ethang> kewl
[21:01] <pedor> so: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:02] <ethang> working...
[21:03] <ethang> it's just updating some mysql stuff
[21:05] <pedor> hm, I don't think it will help. it seems more people are facing this after an upgrade...
[21:09] <pedor> ethang: try this: startx
[21:10] <k1l> no, dont startx
[21:10] <k1l> start the *dm, like lightdm (or the thing that kubuntu uses)
[21:13] <k1l> ethang: take a look into .xsession-errors
[21:13] <k1l> ethang: and you can ask in #kubuntu since 13.04 is released now :)
[22:37] <sebsebseb>


[00:38] <mate|24069> hola
[01:25] <ubuntu-mate> hola
[01:25] <ubuntu-mate> no me abre el instalador de ubuentu mate
[01:25] <ubuntu-mate> ubuntu*
[01:25] <ubuntu-mate> ando en l live
[02:30] <Belial`> for some reason, plank isn't auto starting on boot.
[02:31] <Belial`> i added it to start up applications, but as soon as i save it and close it out, it's no longer there the next time i check
[02:31] <Belial`> has anyone else had this problem?
[02:42] <Belial`> fixed. needed to copy /usr/share/applications/plank.desktop to ~/.config/autostart/
[03:26] <erin_> Hi
[03:27] <erin_> need help with repos ... i have installed Ubuntu Mate 16.1o
[03:27] <erin_> but fail when i try to install apps
[03:41] <Guest99410> Hey, complete noob here. I've installed programs through Software boutique. How do i make them appear on my desktop so I can launch them from there, not from boutique itself?
[03:47] <erin_> i change my repos,
[03:47] <erin_> updating :)
[05:28] <CrazyTux> hello, how to install Mutiny DE on Ubuntu Mate 16.04?
[08:28] <is> hello
[09:41] <sixwheeledbeast> you don't need to install it.
[09:44] <sixwheeledbeast> You can use MATE Tweak and select Munity in Panel options.
[09:56] <mate|Jafar> Hello
[09:56] <diogenes_> hello
[09:57] <mate|Jafar> merci pour votre reponse
[20:56] <justasking> good evening everybody, is it possible to install software boutique another distributions (GalliumOS and Debian) and how is it done?
[20:57] <justasking> would be grateful for a few hints, thank you
[21:56] <Pinebook_> Hello from Montreal, Canada! I just got a Pinebook with Ubuntu Mate, updated it... But the Software Boutique offers no choices... Is it normal?
[22:03] <Pinebook_> Any tip or idea on how to make the  Software Boutique work?
[22:04] <diogenes_> Pinebook_, maybe update/upgrade the system
[22:04] <Pinebook_> Thanks diogenes! My system seems fully updated.
[22:05] <Pinebook_> But I still see no software in the Boutique.
[22:05] <diogenes_> what if you try with synaptic?
[22:07] <Pinebook_> Diogenes, I have to admit that I'm not sure how to do that (VS command line updating with sudo apt-get update then upgrade)
[22:08] <diogenes_> Pinebook_, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[22:09] <diogenes_> run that in a single line
[22:11] <Pinebook_> Thanks, I did not know that trick.  :)
[22:11] <Pinebook_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:12] <diogenes_> now sudo apt install synaptic
[22:14] <Pinebook_> It's installing. The message I get in Software Boutique is "Sorry, Welcome could not feature any software for this category that is compatible on this system" in all the categories...
[22:15] <Pinebook_> install of Synaptic is done, diogenes.
[22:16] <diogenes_> sorry I have never used boutique, open synaptic and search for software in there.
[22:18] <Pinebook_> Ok... I'll try that, even if it doesn't solve the issue of the empty Software Boutique...
[22:19] <Pinebook_> But thanks so much for the help. Maybe somebody has another suggestion?
[23:27] <mate|48231> hii just started using linux and i was wondering since what version has the spectre and meltdown vulnerabilties been patched in ubuntu mate?do i have to upgrade everything or just the linux kernel?and if its the kernel how do i go about doing that?
[23:29] <sixwheeledbeast> If you have a currently supported version and updated you are patched
[23:32] <sixwheeledbeast> you can check this with uname -r in a terminal. It will show your version.
[23:37] <mate|48231> im not currently in my mate base computer right now i do remember looking up the forums and i saw that my version doesnt have the patch ive been having alot of problem updating and in any case i dont want to update the os  is there a way for me to only update to a supported kernel ?if  its posible can you please refer to the post were is shows how
[23:37] <mate|48231> thank you


[12:04] <danboid> Is 2.4.2 the latest stable release?
[12:10] <danboid> Accordig to gh the latest release is 2.5.1. Is there a PPA for 18.04 or must I build it from source?
[12:14] <danboid> What's new in 2.5.x? Is it worth me upgrading from 2.4?
[15:02] <danboid> Is it not possible to have the UEFI boot partition on a separate partition to the root partition? I've tried a few times with no luck
[15:03] <danboid> I want that because my machine doesn't support booting of an NVME disk. When running in BIOS mode I can have /boot on a separate disk and / on the NVME and it works fine but I want to use ZFS for which maas requires UEFI
[15:04] <danboid> That is an unnecessary requirement btw. Thee is nothing about GRUB or ZFS that depends on UEFI
[15:05] <danboid> It would be nice to see that requirement dropped
[15:22] <mup> Bug #1841860 changed: API taking too long to query power params <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1841860>
[15:40] <mup> Bug #1842094 opened: Deployment fails when UEFI partition is on a separate disk to the root partition <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1842094>
[15:46] <mup> Bug #1842094 changed: Deployment fails when UEFI partition is on a separate disk to the root partition <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1842094>
[15:52] <mup> Bug #1842094 opened: Deployment fails when UEFI partition is on a separate disk to the root partition <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1842094>
[17:04] <sthussey> we are on MAAS 2.3.x from 16.04 main. We are seeing an issue that deploy a node that has a single word kernel_opt (e.g. 'debug') is failing due to an exception apparently thrown by curtin. Is this regression from 2.2.x as I thought I had tested this scenario previously and it worked?
[17:05] <sthussey> The exception looks like
[17:05] <sthussey> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/zkGhxnSH/


[12:35] <failure> hello i need help
[12:35] <failure> i just installed lubuntu
[12:35] <failure> for dual boot
[12:36] <failure> i wanted to create a partiton
[12:36] <failure> it says failed to delete from dev/sda4
[15:26] <IceManIT> Buon pomeriggio a tutti
[15:28] <Balacombe78> Hi, i am having an issue with the installation of the lubuntu. prior to the installation it recognizes the wifi, after it does't recognize even the ethernet cable.
[21:34] <PaoloPolo> Hey


[05:24] <darkxst> eliasps, the window bug should be fixed with the gtk+ in staging, it was a regression in the archive version bug 1518661
[18:38] <joe_user> Hello everyone
[18:40] <joe_user> I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" is makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)?
[18:41] <joe_user> Anyone can see my messages?
[18:42] <joe_user> Are my messages making into the chat?
[18:42] <joe_user> Hello?
[18:43] <joe_user> Is my network broken too? no one sees me my messages? I see no replies, anyone there???
[18:45] <joe_user> anyone here?
[18:46] <joe_user> ok - guess my Linux is more broken than I thought.
[18:47] <Joe_test2> Good morning everyone
[18:47] <Joe_test2> Can anyone see my messages now?
[18:48] <Joe_test2> I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)?
[18:49] <Joe_test2> Can someone say something so I know you can see what I am saying?
[18:49] <Joe_test2> Is there some geek code I need to utter for people not ignore me?
[18:52] <Joe_test2> HELLO?
[18:57] <ubuntu572> Hello
[18:57] <Joe_test2> Hello
[18:57] <Joe_test2> I just opened a second webchat window and it seems my messages are getting through, why am I being ignored?
[18:58] <Joe_test2> I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)?
[18:58]  * Joe_test2 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)?
[19:01]  * Joe_test2 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my instal
[19:03]  * Joe_test2 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my instal
[19:07]  * Joe_test2 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my instal
[19:12]  * Joe_test2 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my instal
[19:15]  * joe_test I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my install
[19:21]  * joe_test I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my install
[19:26]  * joe_test I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my install
[19:31]  * joe_test I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my install
[19:36]  * joe_test I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my install
[19:54]  * joe_test I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my install
[20:11]  * joe_test I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my install
[20:46]  * joe_test I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my install


[00:14] <Demerzel-> i just upgraded to mythbuntu 10.04 using do-release-upgrade but my mythtv version is still at 0.22
[00:14] <Demerzel-> what gives?
[00:15] <Demerzel-> do i need to get on the autobuilds?
[00:23] <Technophil> Hi, am running up 10.04 mythbuntu as a frontend to a 9.10 based network.  10.04 uses database schema 1254, 9.10 / 0.23 fixes uses 1244.
[00:23] <Technophil> Can I run it up still and change to JYA's fixes to get correct database schema?
[01:17] <tgm4883> Technophil, were you using JYA's before?
[01:18] <Technophil> tgm4883: yes, running 0.22 24035
[01:18] <Technophil> (fixes)
[01:18] <tgm4883> Demerzel, odd, what is the output of "apt-cache policy mythtv"
[01:18] <tgm4883> Technophil, well if you are using JYA's, then I guess you can use his again?
[01:18] <Demerzel> tgm4883: hang on, running
[01:19] <Demerzel> is there a preferred pastebin?
[01:19] <Demerzel> or can i paste here? it's 4 lines
[01:19] <Demerzel> oh
[01:20] <Demerzel> im an idiot :-)
[01:20] <Demerzel> it's in the topic
[01:20] <Demerzel> hang on
[01:21] <tgm4883> Technophil, it's really up to you. JYA's repos are not supported by the mythbuntu team, they are supported by jya
[01:21] <Demerzel> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/k0cwjzGZ
[01:21] <Demerzel> it says mythtv isn't installed :-/
[01:21] <Demerzel> yet it's recording house right now
[01:22] <Technophil> tgm4883: Yes I just run it up, so it is ok.  Base 10.04 mythtv package is "0.23 24158"  It offered to update the backend database 10 points.  I just shut it down and added jya's repo, overwrote with his default stuff and its all go.
[01:22] <tgm4883> Demerzel, what is the output of lsb-release -a
[01:23] <tgm4883> Technophil, to each his own I gues
[01:23] <Demerzel> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/Ctt8Yf0g
[01:23] <Demerzel> 10.04 lucid
[01:23] <tgm4883> ok
[01:23] <tgm4883> hmm
[01:23] <Demerzel> could there be a problem with my upgrade?
[01:24] <Demerzel> not sure if do-release-upgrade would work again
[01:24] <Demerzel> since i'm already on lucid
[01:24] <tgm4883> how about apt-cache policy mythtv-backend
[01:24] <Technophil> tgm4883:  I wasn't sure what affects the upgrade would have on the database and the 5 or so other frontends.  What would you have advised to do?
[01:24] <tgm4883> Technophil, I recommend using the mythbuntu auto-builds
[01:24] <Demerzel> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/Jr40ycqe
[01:25] <Demerzel> Installed: 0.22.0+fixes22594-0ubuntu1
[01:25] <Demerzel> that's the same as the Candidate too
[01:25] <tgm4883> hmm
[01:25] <tgm4883> Demerzel, ok, what about "cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:25] <tgm4883> "
[01:25] <tgm4883> Technophil, but if you want to use JYA's that is fine too
[01:26] <Demerzel> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid main
[01:26] <Zinn> [archive.ubuntu.com] Index of /ubuntu
[01:27] <tgm4883> Demerzel, that is all that is in there?
[01:27] <Demerzel> hmmm should there be lucid-updates and lucid-security?
[01:27] <Demerzel> yeah
[01:27] <tgm4883> thats not good
[01:27] <tgm4883> what about
[01:28] <tgm4883> ls -l /etc/apt/
[01:28] <Technophil>  tgm4883: OK Thanks, in the medium term I was expecting that jya's repo may become redundant, however it works for me, so the old adage applies if it ain't broke....
[01:28] <Demerzel> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/ee0f1p1n
[01:28] <Demerzel> more files ... some with distUpgrade suffixes
[01:28] <Demerzel> which are a bit scary
[01:29] <Demerzel> looks like something was left in the middle
[01:29] <Technophil> Amazingly I've got 1080i playing on a 2.2 C2D without vdpau!!!
[01:29] <tgm4883> Technophil, you didn't have that before?
[01:29] <Demerzel> unless that's the prefix for the older files
[01:29] <Demerzel> checking on that too
[01:29] <tgm4883> Demerzel, yea that doesn't look right
[01:30] <tgm4883> Demerzel, try doing the upgrade again, see if it tries to fix anything
[01:30] <tgm4883> if not, I can put up a sources.list for you
[01:30] <Demerzel> yeah it didn't work
[01:30] <Demerzel> said no other releases are available
[01:30] <Demerzel> but yeah
[01:30] <tgm4883> ok
[01:30] <Demerzel> an updated sources.list should help
[01:31] <Technophil> tgm4883: this is a new (second hand!) laptop, so not previously tried, however 3G single cores failed to do that without vdpau.  (All 800M buses)
[01:31] <tgm4883> how long did the upgrade take?
[01:31] <Demerzel> maybe an hour
[01:31] <Demerzel> it updated a bunch of things
[01:31] <Technophil> Also its running 64 bit, which may be part of the explanation, I've only run 32 before.
[01:31] <Demerzel> looks like anything in the main repo was updated
[01:31] <Demerzel> nothing else though
[01:32] <tgm4883> Technophil, odd, I could almost get 1080i with my athlon XP 2000+, was pretty sure I could if I upgraded to a 2800+
[01:32] <tgm4883> needs xvmc though
[01:32] <tgm4883> This was way back on 0.20 though
[01:32] <Demerzel> yeah i can do full 1080p with an amd 5050e (2x 2.6G)
[01:32] <Technophil>  tgm4883: I'm talking 1080i H.264, is that the same?
[01:32]  * tgm4883 feels dated
[01:33] <tgm4883> Technophil, no, mpeg2
[01:33] <Demerzel> w/o anything other than default radeon drivers
[01:34] <tgm4883> Demerzel, http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/BwrT1ajz
[01:34] <Demerzel> danke schön!
[01:35] <Technophil>  tgm4883:  Perhaps you understand my surprise now?  Would 64 bit explain that?
[01:36] <tgm4883> Technophil, probably more the dual core
[01:36] <tgm4883> but 64-bit could help
[01:36] <Demerzel> i'd say dual core
[01:36] <Technophil> Are two cores being used now?
[01:36] <Demerzel> my setup is 32bit
[01:38] <Technophil> System monitor suggests 1 core running at 100%
[01:38] <Technophil> Ow well time to setup vdapu.....
[01:40] <Demerzel> that's 1 core at 100% w/ the 1080i video?
[01:41] <Demerzel> does this seem right?
[01:41] <Demerzel> after i updated to the new sources.list: Current status: 127 updates [+124], 24658 new [+24440].
[01:42] <Demerzel> but an aptitude safe-upgrade indicates mythbuntu would be upgraded :-)
[01:42] <Demerzel> i think i should be fine after that
[01:42] <Demerzel> thanks again tgm4883 ... i might be coming in later tonight in case it hits the fan :-)
[01:45] <Technophil>  Demerzel: yes thats one 2.2G core 1080i H264 video
[01:46] <Demerzel> <unreal announcer voice>Impressive</unreal announcer voice>
[01:46] <tgm4883> Technophil, whats the output of 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
[01:48] <Technophil> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7500  @ 2.20GHz
[01:49] <Technophil> I assume thats the bit you want?  Can pastebin the rest if you want
[01:50] <tgm4883> that works
[01:50] <tgm4883> i'm assuming the other core is at 0%?
[01:51] <Technophil> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/FUcLZBQT
[01:51] <Technophil> The other core is doing the usual dance around ranging 0 to 60% sort of top half of a sine wave...
[01:52] <Demerzel> hmmm does 10.04 support creating a diskless frontend from the gui still?
[01:52] <tgm4883> ok
[01:52] <Technophil> other possibly interesting thing is I've not yet setup the nvidia driver (at all)
[01:52] <tgm4883> Demerzel, no
[01:52] <Demerzel> or do we still have to create it using the cmdline?
[01:52] <Demerzel> ok col
[01:52] <Demerzel> cool
[01:53] <Demerzel> i had a blog post ready about how i created my 9.10 diskless frontend
[01:53] <tgm4883> Demerzel, the gui for that was never converted to the new version of MCC
[01:53] <Demerzel> i'll upgrade the post to refer to 10.04 before publishing it
[01:53] <Demerzel> right
[01:53] <tgm4883> a user was doing it, then we never heard from him again
[01:54] <Demerzel> i might be able to whip up a script to make it happen
[01:54] <Demerzel> i've done it so many times
[01:54] <Demerzel> tweaking tons of things
[01:54] <Demerzel> if the process goes smoothly on 10.04 i'll get cracking on it
[01:54] <tgm4883> I don't do diskless, so I can't convert the plugin as I don't know what needs to be done
[01:54] <Demerzel> yeah
[01:54] <tgm4883> plus i'm working on backup/restore
[01:55] <Demerzel> diskless is ... a whole different world
[01:55] <Demerzel> of course i'm assuming an external dhcp server ... the plugin took into account setting up a dhcp server as well
[01:55] <Demerzel> in any case, little at a time
[01:55] <Demerzel> my functionality first then something more general
[01:56] <tgm4883> yea if you wanted to take a look at it and get basic functionality that would be great
[01:56] <Demerzel> yeah if the upgrade and rebuilding the diskless frontend goes smoothly tonight
[01:56] <tgm4883> thats really how the plugins need to get done, and how i'm doing backup/restore
[01:56] <Demerzel> i'll start working on a script to automate it
[01:57] <Demerzel> grr
[01:57] <Demerzel> gotta wait another hour for house to finish
[01:57] <Demerzel> 2 hour show today
[01:57]  * Demerzel is itching to upgrade
[01:57] <tgm4883> Demerzel, isn't how on MOnday?
[01:58] <Demerzel> no idea :-)
[01:58] <Demerzel> i just tell it to record whenever it comes on
[01:58] <tgm4883> ah
[01:58] <tgm4883> must be a rerun then
[01:58] <tgm4883> what channel?
[01:58] <Demerzel> 2 hours means a season premier or finale ... doesn't make sense
[01:58] <Technophil> Demerzel: May I ask the URL for your blogg, I for one will be interested to look
[01:58] <Demerzel> House - "Broken"               45_1 WBFF-HD 30 20:00-22:00   1 5 1 C 5 0/    0
[01:59] <tgm4883> oh yea, thats a rerun
[01:59] <Demerzel> Technophil: sure...
[01:59] <Demerzel> http://learnonthejob.blogspot.com
[01:59] <Zinn> [learnonthejob.blogspot.com] Learning on the Job
[02:00] <Demerzel> how do you know?
[02:00] <Demerzel> that it's a rerun?
[02:00] <Demerzel> one of those fields?
[02:00] <tgm4883> Demerzel, cause A) I've seen that episode. and B) my mythtv has marked it as a rerun
[02:00] <Demerzel> or the title
[02:00] <Demerzel> oh heh
[02:00] <Technophil> Demerzel: Much obliged to you.
[02:01] <Demerzel> Technophil: np! the article will be going up in the next week
[02:01] <tgm4883> original airdate was 9/21/2009
[02:01] <Demerzel> oh ok
[02:01] <Demerzel> i'll shut it down then
[02:01] <tgm4883> if you go to upcoming recordings in mythweb, you can hover over the title for additional information
[02:02] <Demerzel> ouch
[02:03] <Demerzel> mythweb isn't very pretty when the backend is stopped
[02:04] <Demerzel> ok it's upgrading mythtv
[02:05] <Demerzel> or actually i think it just started upgrading mythtv proper
[02:05] <Demerzel> miro-bridge.log
[02:06] <Demerzel> does it prompt for db upgrade?
[02:06] <Demerzel> or no?
[02:08] <tgm4883> Demerzel, not until you start mythtv
[02:08] <Demerzel> frontend or backend?
[02:09] <Demerzel> because i'd stopped the backend and looks like it auto started it
[02:09] <Demerzel> the upgrade process i.e.
[02:20] <Technophil> Hmmm Weird.  The OSD menu selections (area with focus) are not showing, this is both in mythbuntu widescreen and also arclight.
[02:22] <Demerzel> arclight looks hot
[02:27] <Technophil> Demerzel:  Yes, odd the focus issue though, I've not seen that before.
[02:29] <Demerzel> i've never seen it before :-) hopefully my frontend will show me arclight in the next hour
[02:58] <Technophil> Maybe something to do with the themes being 0.23 fixes 23872 while the base system is 0.22 fixes 24035?
[03:08] <Demerzel> might be
[03:08] <Demerzel> how're you using 0.23 themes on 0.22?
[03:08] <Demerzel> when did the theming interface change?
[03:08] <Demerzel> was that in .22?
[03:20] <Technophil> mythbuntu 10.04 has mythtv 0.23 fixes by default, 24158
[03:21] <Technophil> I downgraded to jya 0.22 fixes however the themes did not go back, I am wondering if his repo should include the themes also?
[03:26] <mrand> The 0.23 themes likely work in 0.22, because (1) there isn't much difference in mythui between those two releases and (2) the 0.23 themes are actually all themes carried over from 0.22.
[03:26] <Technophil> any suggestions about why the focus blacks out the item?
[03:28] <Technophil> I don't think its a video driver issue as it happened with default driver as well as after the nvidia driver was installed.
[03:52] <Demerzel1> nice
[03:52] <Demerzel1> using adium beta for irc
[03:55] <Demerzel1> lots of packages to download for a diskless build
[03:55] <Demerzel1> 350+ so far
[04:02] <Demerzel1> 466 packages
[08:47] <pteague> drivers for hauppauge pvr500 seem a lot less stable in koala than they were in whatever i was previously using... used to be that tuner #2 would occasionally have issues forcing me to reboot the box... now i have issues with both tuners more often
[11:31] <packet-sent> I have done a fresh install of mythbuntu 10.4, mythmusic fails to play on remote frontends that are running ubuntu 10.4
[13:59] <dougl> If I installed mythbuntu will it automatically configure grub with entries for my other two ubuntu installs?
[17:06] <funsheep> !help
[17:06] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[17:09] <funsheep> hi, i'm wondering if i do the upgrade of mythbuntu 9.10 to 10.04 through the update manager do i get mythbuntu 10.04 or ubuntu 10.04 ?
[17:19] <slaine> funsheep: I'm trying it now
[17:20] <slaine> and mythbuntu is ubuntu
[17:20] <slaine> it's just got a different desktop session
[17:51] <funsheep> slaine: i know, but i'm wondering if i'll get all that extra stuff of the original distro
[17:52] <slaine> it's only going to upgrade the versions of the packages that are installed (any new packages will be as a result of resolving dependencies for the new versions of existing packages)
[17:52] <funsheep> ah ok
[17:52] <funsheep> than i'll try it in a couple of minutes
[17:53] <slaine> mine is still churning along
[17:53] <slaine> Via epia boards are so slow for this kind of stuff.
[17:56] <tgm4883> slaine, the repos are probably still geting hammered
[17:56] <slaine> nah, download was done ages ago
[17:56] <slaine> it's all the package upgrades at the moment
[17:57] <tgm4883> ah
[17:57] <tgm4883> well it is a lot to process as well
[17:57] <tgm4883> took me over an hour and I had a dual core machine with 8 GB ram and a local repo
[18:01] <slaine> yeah, I'm not that bothered
[18:01] <slaine> I mostly use it just as a backend now
[18:03] <funsheep> do i have to upgrade on 0.23 first, right?
[18:11] <funsheep> "i do have"
[18:14] <funsheep> upgrading to mythtv 0.23, i do have mythbuntu 9.10 running with 0.22-fixes. so when i change the auto-builds in mcc to 0.23 will i get the auto-builds from trunk or 0.23-fixes ?
[18:19] <tgm4883> funsheep, you will get the 0.23 packages
[18:19] <tgm4883> are you trying to upgrade to 10.04?
[18:38] <funsheep> tgm4883: yes. from 9.10 to 10.04 using the build in upgrade mechanism
[18:39] <tgm4883> funsheep, ok, you shouldn't need to upgrade to 0.23 first then
[18:43] <funsheep> ok. thanks. i'll give it a try
[18:43] <funsheep> thanks for the help :)
[19:47] <haffe> Hi guys. I got a good offer on a used antec fusion remote black. Is this chassis worth it?
[22:06] <tgm4883> haffe, I like it
[22:06] <tgm4883> Do you have a home theater room or otherwise other home theater equipment?
[22:10] <haffe> No Home theather room.
[22:10] <haffe> TV and a reciever.
[22:12] <tgm4883> haffe, I like mine, although I really think I need to stick it in a theater room or at least next to some other equipment
[22:13] <tgm4883> If I ever get around to expanding and putting my backend in the garage/computer closet, I would like to get something smaller like a revo
[22:13] <tgm4883> but If I do go the full theater room experience, I like this case
[22:13] <haffe> Ok.
[22:13] <haffe> I see.
[22:13] <haffe> What about the display in linux?
[22:13] <tgm4883> lcd works great
[22:14] <haffe> I have seen a lot of negative comments about the display. But I have never understood if the problem is the display or the software.
[22:14] <tgm4883> haffe, it was drivers
[22:14] <tgm4883> but IIRC it's built in now
[22:14] <tgm4883> really though, the display isn't that functional I guess
[22:15] <tgm4883> unless you put system stats on there or something
[22:15] <tgm4883> I mean, I have the TV on, so why do I need an LCD?
[22:15] <haffe> I see your point.
[22:16] <tgm4883> I suppose if I played music though it more it would make more sense
[22:17] <tgm4883> If you are doing a frontend only, I say go with a smaller box. Something with an atom processor and an ion maybe
[22:17] <haffe> It's a combo.
[22:17] <haffe> Frontend and backend.
[22:17] <tgm4883> ok
[22:18] <tgm4883> then I would go with this box. the fans are nice as they have 3 speed levels so they can be quiet (are large too)
[22:18] <tgm4883> mine is pretty quiet, I actually just need to get a fanless video card
[22:18] <tgm4883> I think rhpot1991 has one in his silver antec
[22:20] <haffe> Ok thanks.
[22:20] <tgm4883> np
[22:20] <haffe> Will probably go with a couple of nexus real silent and temperature controled fans.
[22:43] <Technophil> Can someone tell me how to downgrade to "0.22.0-fixes23473-0ubuntu4_all" (for a theme missing focus issue in 10.04 thats been downgraded to use jya's repo)
[22:44] <Technophil> There is a screen shot of it (someone else's) at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu/+bug/573118
[22:44] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #573118 in mythtv-theme-mythbuntu (Ubuntu): “Selected item text non visible under Lucid”
[22:46] <Technophil> Woops screen shot is at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/47004118/Schermata-MythTV%20Frontend.png
[23:50] <mrand> Technophil: my understanding is that it might be caused by the theme cache not being cleared.
[23:55] <Technophil> I deleted mrand:  Firstly thanks for replying.  I already tried deleting the contents of both .mythtv/themecache/Mythbuntu.1920.1200 and .mythtv/themecache/.1920.1200, as well as uninstalling all the themes and re-installing.  When using JYA's repo I think specifies various file versions however it may be silent on the need for 0.22 themes instead of 0.23 which keeps coming back - as per the poster on the bug report.
[23:56] <Technophil> mrand:  woops sorry for typo.....delete "I deleted " !


[00:54] <siddl> ho/ whois siddl
[00:56] <siddl> how to open port
[00:57] <siddl> ...for torrent things
[00:57] <siddl> ...usw.
[00:58] <siddl> ...itried to find a port but didn't work out
[00:59] <siddl> ...xubuntu preferences is very short setted...
[01:00] <Unit193> Generally speaking, you'd have to forward it in your router.
[01:00] <Unit193> Can you speak in complete sentances to make it easier for us to understand?  I'm not exactly sure what else you're trying to say.
[01:01] <siddl> i'm using a Si
[01:01] <siddl> im using a SİM card device dialing up to the internet...
[01:02] <siddl> ...theres not much device settings
[01:02] <siddl> İ'm trying to open a port for my torrent traffic
[02:08] <siddl_schmoove> msg nickserv set KILL on
[11:46] <xubuntu201> hola amigos estoy tratando de instalar xubuntu de 32 bits en una vieja laptop HP Pavilion con windows xp professional y todo inicia bien pero cuando llega al punto de configurando bcmwl-kernel-source (i386) se detiene la barra celeste y pasan horas y no sigue, ya lo intente 2 veces en este momento esta asi, que puedo hacer, aborto y descargo una distro mas anterior , alguna guia para mi maquina , gracias
[11:47] <brainwash> !es
[11:48] <xubuntu201> ok thanks
[12:35] <jan> Hello, when I start up my computer it automatic login. I want to change this to use a password but I do not know how to change this in xubuntu
[12:35] <jan> can somebody please help me
[12:36] <cfhowlett> jan, > system > users  | choose an account > password > asked on login
[12:38] <GridCube> jan, ^^
[12:38] <jan> yes
[12:39] <jan> sorry I am not used to chats. and I am a bit slow with typing
[12:39] <cfhowlett> jan, it's considered good practice to have 2 user accounts: one for administering your system (the root user or sudo user) and one for normal everyday use - no system privileges.
[12:41] <jan> I tried this but there was no login screen when I rebooted
[12:42] <cfhowlett> jan then you did it wrong.
[12:42] <cfhowlett> !password
[12:43] <cfhowlett> jan   http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/12/how-to-change-password-on-ubuntu/
[12:46] <GridCube> cfhowlett, he doesnt want to change his password, he needs to show the lightdm login prompt at boot
[12:47] <GridCube> jan, you can open /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf from a terminal using sudo mousepad /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and comment the lines that say: autologin-user=YOURUSER and autologin-user-timeout=0
[12:48] <GridCube> you comment those lines adding a # before the line
[12:48] <GridCube> that should make it so it will ask for your password at the login stage
[12:50] <jan> I am going to try tis now
[12:51] <GridCube> :) good luck
[13:01] <jan> oke I found it and put a # before the lines.  I am going to reboot now. I dont know if I can find this chat so thanks for your help
[13:01] <GridCube> jan, :) you can come back from the xubuntu.org page
[13:02] <GridCube> http://xubuntu.org/irc/
[13:02] <jan> oke, I bookmark this first  :-)
[13:02] <GridCube> :)
[13:15] <xubuntu898> Hello Gridcube, I am back and now I have a login screen. Thanks for helping me
[13:16] <GridCube> :) great xubuntu898 :D
[13:17] <GridCube> you can change your nick the next time you log in on the irc web application :)
[13:17] <GridCube> im glad to see you fixed your problem
[14:27] <pezza> Could somebody give me assistance in getting my USB headset to work correctly?
[14:29] <Pezza> It seems that it is working when I run lsusb (shows up as Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0d8c:013c C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM108 Audio Controller)
[14:30] <Pezza> But nothing shows up with either aplay -l or aplay -L (http://pastebin.com/YRFQVAn3)
[14:30] <Pezza> And when I run pacmd list-sinks, I only get a Dummy Output ( http://pastebin.com/60WqQrTE )
[15:06] <GridCube> Pezza, open pavucontrol and see if any stream is designated to go through it
[15:06] <GridCube> sound is probably being sent to hdmi or internal analog devices instead of the usb analog device
[15:12] <Pezza> Okay, so I opened pavucontrol. The only device available in configuration is HDA Nvidia.
[15:13] <holstein> Pezza: i would run "lsusb" and look for the device listed there.. then, "aplay -l" and/or "arecord -l" ..commands in a terminal which you can share in a pastebin for help..
[15:13] <holstein> !paste
[15:13] <holstein> i would bypass any usb hubs, and try other usb ports, and try the device in an officially supported operating system to make sure its functioning properly
[15:14] <Pezza> I already did earlier, if you scroll up.
[15:14] <Pezza> (Pastebins)
[15:14] <holstein> Pezza: you already did what?
[15:15] <Pezza> Sent a pastebin of my lsusb and aplay -l
[15:15] <holstein> Pezza: regardless, if you dont see them there, thats where you need to start
[15:15] <holstein> Pezza: i dont need to see the output, i was just saying, if you need help interpreting.. if you dont see the output in aplay, then alsa is not seeing the device, so, nothing will use it
[15:16] <GridCube> Pezza, in the last tab of pavucontrol, disable the device
[15:16] <holstein> Pezza: does the device work with a supported operating system? is it new? has it ever worked?
[15:16] <GridCube> then enable it again
[15:16] <Pezza> It works perfectly on Windows.
[15:17] <holstein> Pezza: then, we can assume the device is functioning properly, and not "broken".. unfortunately, since the device is working as promised, there may be little you can do to make it work
[15:17] <holstein> Pezza: i find it easy to try different live CD's to see how different kernels and alsa versions support the hardware.. easy with audio devices like that
[15:18] <Pezza> I'll see what I can do with uninstalling PulseAudio and running it directly through ALSA.
[15:18] <holstein> Pezza: i wouldnt
[15:18] <Pezza> Bad idea?
[15:18] <holstein> Pezza: if "aplay -l" isnt seeing it, the alsa is *not* seeing it
[15:19] <holstein> Pezza: i mean, you can purge pulse if you want, or try a live distro that is not shipping pulse.. but, the device is not supporting linux/alsa
[15:20] <Gatis> ubuntu
[15:24] <GridCube> my opinion is that as it is an usb is not being recognized momentaneously, i think you just need to reset it and it will prolly work
[15:25] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2201791.html next to the last option..
[15:27] <holstein> i agree with GridCube there, which seems like what that post suggests.. that some "magic" just makes it work
[15:27] <GridCube> thats why i suggested disabling the device from pavu and then restarting it
[15:32] <Pezza> lsusb
[15:32] <Pezza> wrong terminal :^)
[15:33] <holstein> hehe.. no worries.. lsusb is not as important as the alsa one
[15:34] <holstein> personally, i have only been able to hack one device into working that *didnt* show in aplay -l.. that was with a custom jackd startup command.. and the functionality was limited in a way that when i had the opportunity to get rid of the device, i did
[16:11] <james0r> i figured out a fix for this on a previous install but can't remember it now, some apps aren't showing up in whisker. specifically right now i'm looking at getting Nemo file mananger to show up
[16:13] <holstein> james0r: you can always edit the menu and add what you like.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2220891&page=2 seems relevant
[16:15] <james0r> holstein, yeah as it says switching to alacarte fixed it for me last time. Nemo does show up in alacarte but i don't see a way to get it to actually appear in the menu
[16:15] <holstein> james0r: to appear in the wisker menu, correct?
[16:15] <james0r> holstein, yes.
[16:16] <holstein> i personally havent clicked through a menu since the synapse/kupfer/gnome-do days... but, what are you trying? and how is it failing? have you logged out and back in?
[16:17] <james0r> holstein, naw i havn't actually but i think it's deeper than that. i'll give it a shot and se if nemo shows up.
[16:17] <james0r> brb
[16:19] <james0r> nope, same as before
[16:19] <holstein> james0r: so, what have you tried? and how is it failing?
[16:19] <james0r> i'll play around with alacarte a little more. i remember on the previous install once i figured out the "trick" i could get any app to show up in whisker
[16:21] <james0r> holstein, install nemo for example, menulibre won't show anything about nemo so installed alacarte. it shows up in alacarte, but is not found in whisker where alacarte says it should be.
[16:21] <james0r> i can check and uncheck nemo to be displayed in that category but it doesn't seem to have any effect.
[16:21] <holstein> james0r: are you up to date with upgrades?
[16:22] <james0r> holstein, yeah
[16:22] <bluesabre> james0r, does nemo show up in the menulibre search
[16:22] <james0r> nope
[16:23] <bluesabre> ok
[16:23] <bluesabre> probably, check /usr/share/applications/nemo.desktop
[16:23] <bluesabre> there may be a key, OnlyShowIn, or NotShowIn
[16:24] <holstein> yeah, i agree.. ^
[16:24] <james0r> i did check that and removed the only show in line completely.
[16:24] <james0r> still didn't show up
[16:25] <bluesabre> worst case, you can use menulibre to create a new nemo launcher
[16:25] <james0r> ahh i edited the wrong .desktop file for nemo
[16:25] <james0r> i see the only show in gnome line still there.
[16:26] <james0r> i edited the .desktop file in some app-intall dir or something
[16:26] <holstein> thats what i was thinking was happening.. a new entry to start it
[16:26] <holstein> if you cant get the current one to show, just try making a scratch one to start what you please
[16:27] <james0r> right right. i have no issue with doing that, i just remember with that previous install this was happening on tons of apps. i'll take it one at a time for now though
[16:28] <bluesabre> darn
[16:28] <bluesabre> was going to ask that he ping me with broken ones
[16:28] <bluesabre> :)
[16:28] <bluesabre> oh hey
[16:29] <bluesabre> btw, I'm the menulibre dev, so as you find issues where menulibre doesn't show something, feel free to ping me
[16:33] <james0r> bluesabre, will do if i go back to using it. just figured out if i run alacarte as sudo and clck 'restore system configuration' nemo shows up
[16:34] <james0r> i'm pretty lost as to why this is, but i'm glad its working
[16:59] <zleap> hi,, what do I run to load the deslop notes application, it won't auto load on start up (and i DID NOT TELL IT NOT TO)  and i can;t load it from them menu
[16:59] <zleap> and the hplip thing won't auto load either
[17:18] <holstein> zleap: are you sure its not loading? or just not showing in a tray?
[17:21] <zleap> how do i work that out
[17:21] <zleap> well i can't see it anywhere,  so its not in the try thing at the top and if I run from themenu it doesnot show up
[17:24] <zleap> i have also logged out, and back in and even restarted the computer and still don't get it auto loading
[17:24] <holstein> zleap: i would start by referring to a package manager and make sure i have the applications installed.. i would then confirm the  applications can run from the commandline. then, i would look for them running as services, or whatever else i want
[17:25] <zleap> ok
[17:25] <zleap> so what is the program called
[17:26] <holstein> zleap: after determining that, you can start it
[17:26] <zleap> it used to run
[17:26] <zleap> i have not uninstalled it
[17:26] <zleap> some programs are called one thing in the program but have a totally different name for the actual executable file that runs
[17:27] <holstein> ok.. something changed, then.. i would start, again, by seeing that the applciation is installed with the package manager of your choice, and then try running "it" from the commandline
[17:27] <zleap> grrr
[17:28] <zleap> it is on the menu as notes, how do I find out what is run or meant to run when i click on it
[17:29] <holstein> zleap: maybe you dont need to bother with that, since, a few moments ago, you were not able to find it in the menu.. try just running the application, and see if it shows in the tray, and if you can set settings for showing in the tray or autostart
[17:30] <zleap> it does do anything
[17:30] <zleap> ok hang on
[17:31] <zleap> just looked in start up
[17:31] <zleap> xfce4-notes
[17:31] <zleap> tried running that from a xterm  and it just sits there
[17:33] <zleap> ** (xfce4-notes:3741): WARNING **: main-status-icon.vala:37: Status Icon is not embedded
[17:39] <csenger41> hello
[17:40] <csenger41> how can i remove root access from a folder?
[17:40] <GridCube> remove root access?
[17:41] <csenger41> accidentally ran Firefox as root, now it doesn't start up
[17:41] <csenger41> Could not create gnome accelerators directory `/home/csenger/.gnome2/accels': Permission denied
[17:42] <csenger41> any idea?
[17:42] <GridCube> csenger41, try running firefox using firefox -ProfileManager
[17:43] <csenger41> same
[17:43] <GridCube> pastebin what the terminal says
[17:44] <csenger41> http://pastebin.com/p6LvZicd
[17:44] <GridCube> mmhm
[17:44] <csenger41> same appears when trying to run firefox
[17:45] <GridCube> yes
[17:45] <GridCube> !chown | csenger41
[17:47] <GridCube> or, if the folder is not that important to you you can just delete it, do sudo thunar, then press ctrl-h to see hiden directories and delete the problematic files
[17:49] <Tisgh> Hi guys
[17:49] <csenger41> okay, thanks for the help :)
[17:50] <csenger41> working fine now
[17:50] <csenger41> and hello
[17:50] <Tisgh> I'm having a trouble playing media on my xubuntu virtual machine
[17:50] <GridCube> great csenger41 :)
[17:50] <Tisgh> I've installed the Ubuntu extras
[17:50] <Tisgh> Restarted
[17:51] <Tisgh> Still doesn't work :(
[17:51] <GridCube> the xubuntu-restricted-extras?
[17:51] <Tisgh> Yup did that to
[17:52] <GridCube> and what about the aditional drivers from software-properties-gtk?
[17:52] <GridCube> is it virtualbox?
[17:52] <Tisgh> Vmware
[17:52] <Tisgh> How do I install those
[17:53] <GridCube> open software-properties-gtk go to the last tab "aditional drivers" and see if theres any for your setup
[17:53] <GridCube> !vmware
[17:55] <Tisgh> So it won't work then right
[17:55] <csenger41> anyone knows how to install adium themes for pidgin?
[17:56] <Tisgh> I'm also getting "No additional drivers available"
[17:56] <csenger41> https://code.google.com/p/adium2pidgin-themes/wiki/InstallingThemesFromAdiumxtrasCom
[17:56] <GridCube> Tisgh, read the wiki page
[17:56] <csenger41> did all this, but not working when clicking install button
[17:56] <Tisgh> Ok
[17:56] <bazhang> csenger41, asked in #pidgin yet?
[17:57] <csenger41> yes, but noone answered, maybe you know something about it
[18:09] <csenger41> aww noone is answering :(
[18:29] <Pezza> So I finally, somehow, got my headset to show up in aplay.
[18:29] <Pezza> One step further, I guess
[18:45] <xIrbis> Hello, could anyone help me with installing drivers for nVidia card?
[18:46] <xIrbis> i spent whole day trying to do this, and have same problem when i boot linux
[18:52] <theperfectpunk> Hello i was trying to install xubuntu with a usb flash drive
[18:52] <theperfectpunk> xubuntu 14.04
[18:53] <xIrbis> and?
[18:53] <theperfectpunk> when this popped up
[18:53] <theperfectpunk> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2wdbpro&s=8
[18:54] <theperfectpunk> waited for about 1 minute
[18:54] <theperfectpunk> and then gave up
[18:54] <theperfectpunk> as keyboard wasn't working
[18:55] <xIrbis> have you tried again?
[18:55] <theperfectpunk> yeah
[18:55] <theperfectpunk> about 5-7 times
[18:55] <theperfectpunk> what does it look like?
[18:56] <theperfectpunk> is it the usb stick, i have to burn a dvd then i can install it or something else?
[18:56] <xIrbis> well, i dont know, im looking for help with my graphic card :D
[18:56] <xIrbis> where you downloaded xubuntu?
[18:56] <theperfectpunk> xubuntu wiki
[18:57] <xIrbis> ive just installed it from USB + unetbootin
[18:57] <theperfectpunk> what's wrong with your graphic card?
[18:57] <xIrbis> driver doesn't work
[18:57] <theperfectpunk> what is it?
[18:57] <xIrbis> i tried install it on debian
[18:57] <xIrbis> when i boot xubuntu
[18:57] <xIrbis> screen goes dark
[18:57] <theperfectpunk> stuck?
[18:58] <theperfectpunk> stuck there?
[18:58] <xIrbis> graphics fan turn hyperspeed
[18:58] <theperfectpunk> nvidia?
[18:58] <xIrbis> and then reboot
[18:58] <xIrbis> yes
[18:58] <theperfectpunk> which model?
[18:58] <xIrbis> nvidia gt 755M
[18:58] <xIrbis> http://www.linux.org/threads/nvidia-gt-750m-black-screen.5963/
[18:58] <theperfectpunk> ohh on laptop
[18:58] <xIrbis> problem similar to this one
[18:58] <xIrbis> but, when i tried on debian
[18:59] <theperfectpunk> did you try to install the properietary graphic driver?
[18:59] <xIrbis> ony one fan was working :D
[18:59] <theperfectpunk> from the nvidia website?
[18:59] <xIrbis> yes
[18:59] <xIrbis> on debian
[18:59] <theperfectpunk> why do you keep saying debian?
[18:59] <xIrbis> on xubuntu only through GUI settings
[18:59] <theperfectpunk> you did a fresh install of xubuntu?
[18:59] <xIrbis> yes
[18:59] <theperfectpunk> did you?
[18:59] <xIrbis> about 30 minutes ago :D
[19:00] <theperfectpunk> when you first installed it
[19:00] <xIrbis> before that i was trying on debian, so i have more experience with that
[19:00] <theperfectpunk> it was running ok right?
[19:00] <xIrbis> what do you mean with first time?
[19:00] <theperfectpunk> did it ever boot?
[19:00] <theperfectpunk> normally?
[19:00] <xIrbis> yes
[19:01] <theperfectpunk> i think i know your problem
[19:01] <xIrbis> i had debian before, adn everything worked fine
[19:01] <theperfectpunk> and the solution too
[19:01] <theperfectpunk> you must've installed drivers
[19:01] <theperfectpunk> and then updated ubuntu
[19:01] <theperfectpunk> restarted
[19:01] <theperfectpunk> and boom screen black
[19:01] <xIrbis> not rly
[19:01] <theperfectpunk> what did you do?
[19:02] <theperfectpunk> after the first install
[19:02] <xIrbis> i restarted after xubuntu installed the driver
[19:02] <xIrbis> it was about 3 month ago
[19:02] <xIrbis> i dont remember first install :D
[19:02] <theperfectpunk> all i can think of is that your kernel got updated
[19:03] <theperfectpunk> and you didn't recompile the driver for it
[19:03] <theperfectpunk> did you update the kernel?
[19:03] <xIrbis> no
[19:03] <theperfectpunk> did you update ubuntu?
[19:03] <xIrbis> no
[19:03] <theperfectpunk> the kernel update is in regular packages
[19:03] <xIrbis> i know
[19:04] <xIrbis> i mean i didn't do apt-get update or something
[19:04] <xIrbis> just fresh install and then check if nvidia is working
[19:04] <theperfectpunk> how did you install drivers?
[19:04] <theperfectpunk> you can't just run the nvidia binary
[19:04] <xIrbis> on xubuntu through GUI settings
[19:05] <xIrbis> on debian through repo and nvidia website aswell
[19:05] <theperfectpunk> well that explains it
[19:05] <xIrbis> same problem
[19:05] <theperfectpunk> i'm new to xfce
[19:05] <theperfectpunk> can u get into terminal?
[19:05] <theperfectpunk> do you have access to terminal?
[19:06] <xIrbis> im on windows now on same computer
[19:06] <xIrbis> but yes i can
[19:06] <xIrbis> Xorg didnt work at all
[19:06] <theperfectpunk> so you do have access to terminal
[19:06] <xIrbis> everything crash when i type startx
[19:06] <theperfectpunk> that's okau
[19:06] <theperfectpunk> okay
[19:07] <xIrbis> but what about your problem?
[19:07] <theperfectpunk> i'll figure it out
[19:07] <theperfectpunk> get the nvidia binary from here
[19:08] <theperfectpunk> http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/77525/en-us
[19:08] <xIrbis> i tried that
[19:09] <xIrbis> now, and then
[19:10] <theperfectpunk> so that should work
[19:10] <theperfectpunk> it replaces x.org
[19:10] <theperfectpunk> with nvidia x server
[19:10] <xIrbis> but it dont work
[19:11] <theperfectpunk> what do you mean?
[19:11] <theperfectpunk> did it install successfully?
[19:11] <xIrbis> yes
[19:11] <theperfectpunk> after reboot the same problem?
[19:11] <xIrbis> yes
[19:12] <xIrbis> i dont know what black screen and full fan speeds mean
[19:12] <xIrbis> black = without backlight
[19:12] <theperfectpunk> full fan speeds usually mean
[19:12] <theperfectpunk> driver isn't working
[19:12] <xIrbis> you dont say :D
[19:12] <theperfectpunk> used to happen on freedos
[19:13] <theperfectpunk> my hp laptop came with freedos
[19:13] <theperfectpunk> it was running at about ~90
[19:13] <theperfectpunk> same was with ubuntu
[19:13] <theperfectpunk> after installing drivers
[19:14] <theperfectpunk> battery backup increased and heating decreased
[19:14] <theperfectpunk> are you using a Lenovo?
[19:14] <xIrbis> yes
[19:14] <xIrbis> y510p
[19:14] <theperfectpunk> yep
[19:14] <theperfectpunk> guessed
[19:14] <theperfectpunk> it
[19:14] <theperfectpunk> really common choice with gt755m
[19:15] <theperfectpunk> and must be in india too
[19:15] <xIrbis> ill login using mobile
[19:15] <xIrbis> and then try to do something on terminal
[19:16] <theperfectpunk> well all you can do now is
[19:16] <theperfectpunk> fiddle with xfce settings
[19:16] <theperfectpunk> because the driver is installed
[19:16] <xIrbis> what do you mean in india?
[19:16] <theperfectpunk> and now xfce is to blame
[19:17] <xIrbis> i think thats not xfce problem
[19:17] <theperfectpunk> well you did install the driver
[19:17] <theperfectpunk> got into terminal
[19:17] <theperfectpunk> went to run level 3
[19:17] <theperfectpunk> killed the x-server
[19:18] <theperfectpunk> made the binary executable
[19:18] <theperfectpunk> ran the binary, completed the setup
[19:18] <theperfectpunk> that ought to do it
[19:18] <xIrbis> i tried that
[19:18] <xIrbis> as you said
[19:18] <xIrbis> but ill try again on xubuntu
[19:20] <theperfectpunk> well good luck
[19:23] <xIrbism> do you know how can i unistall nvidia driver?
[19:33] <theperfectpunk> never tried it
[19:33] <theperfectpunk> http://askubuntu.com/questions/189347/how-can-i-uninstall-nvidia-proprietary-drivers
[19:33] <theperfectpunk> try tjos
[19:43] <ARM9> is the battery display thing bugged or something
[19:43] <ARM9> sometimes it's always stuck at 100%
[19:43] <ARM9> never happens when I'm in windows on this lappy
[19:43] <brainwash> ARM9: could be a bug indeed
[19:44] <ARM9> I get that there's like a bagillion different vendors that probably have their own shitty quirks in their interface, but are there any alternatives out there that are perhaps more mature?
[19:45] <ARM9> I'm using the stock xfce4-indicator-plugin that comes with xubuntu 14.04
[19:45] <brainwash> you could install and add xfce4-battery-plugin to your panel
[19:46] <ARM9> s/vendors/laptop\/battery vendors/
[19:46] <Unit193> I use xfce4-power-manager's icon.
[19:47] <ARM9> I'll give it a shot
[19:47] <brainwash> however, battery indicators only display data provided by the kernel
[19:48] <ARM9> makes sense
[19:48] <brainwash> so there might be something else broken (kernel-related)
[20:42] <AndChat|511> I have a huge problem. I broke my installation and when I try to login, X doesn't connect, the pc just halts. I can ctrl alt f1 into the command line and execute programs from it. I have the 14.04.1 ISO, but need to make one of my usb sticks bootable and I only have the command line to do it in. No other pcs available for miles
[20:44] <ARM9> use dd
[20:45] <AndChat|511> I'm not familiar, I'll try it
[20:45] <AndChat|511> Do you have a link to a command / how to dd? I'm googling now
[20:47] <ARM9> dd if=livecd.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M
[20:47] <ARM9> rename livecd.iso obviously, and make sure /dev/whatever maps to your usb drive
[20:47] <ARM9> actually let me rephrase that
[20:48] <ARM9> make sure that you pass the path to your usb drive with of=
[20:48] <AndChat|511> Okay one more complication.
[20:49] <AndChat|511> I did it struggling, but is there a way for me to quickly figure out if my usb drive is mounted and where?
[20:49] <AndChat|511> I'm a cripple without the gui nowadays
[20:51] <ARM9> use dmesg
[20:51] <AndChat|511> K ty
[20:53] <David-A> AndChat|511: technically, the usb should not be "mounted" (as a file system) when you dd to its /dev/xxx
[20:54] <AndChat|511> Ok
[20:57] <AndChat|511> Can I copy files from the usb from the terminal?
[20:58] <bazhang> in addition to dd?
[20:59] <AndChat|511> Oh duh, nvm
[21:11] <sadhash> How can I get the iso off the usb stick I have? I tried to cd into the drive but that didn't work
[21:12] <deshipu> sadhash: how did you get it on it?
[21:12] <sadhash> Phone with usb to go
[21:13] <deshipu> so it's just a file?
[21:13] <deshipu> it should be automatically mounted in /media/ when you insert it
[21:13] <sadhash> I downloaded the iso to my unrooted DROID, put the iso on a flash usb stick
[21:14] <sadhash> But my xubuntu is busted while I was playing in a root shell
[21:14] <sadhash> I'll check media
[21:15] <sadhash> Okay... I see /media/usb has nothing in it, though I know the iso file is supposed to be there
[21:27] <sadhash> Extremely difficult to repair without X working
[21:39] <likemindead> Having trouble doing coursework. Java issues. http://ibin.co/1XrL9ZayJt1z (Chromium) http://ibin.co/1XrLMgbx0ozX (Firefox)
[21:39] <likemindead> Any ideas?
[22:05] <David-A> likemindead: a java plugin should have been installed if you installed the package xubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:07] <likemindead> Yep. Don't have Java issues anywhere else. Just this stupid Pearson site.
[22:14] <David-A> likemindead:pearsonmylabandmastering.com has a banner complaining that my java is not ver 7 upd 51. (which it is not)
[22:18] <likemindead> Java is awful...
[22:21] <David-A> likemindead: I don't know what version of java is the current in 14.04, or what you have.
[22:26] <David-A> sadhash: when you dd an .iso to an usb device (the /dev/xxx) any filesystem that was on it before will be wiped out. there is no point formatting the usb before the dd.
[22:27] <sadhash> I have fhe iso on the device I want to format
[22:27] <sadhash> Right now I have a usb stick with the iso on it ready to be transferred to the PC. that's where I'm stuck atm
[22:28] <holstein> sadhash: you can dd copy the iso to the stick, or use unetbootin ..check out..
[22:28] <holstein> !Install
[22:29] <sadhash> I can't locate the iso, to be specific. I don't have the bandwidth to download it again
[22:30] <David-A> holstein, sadhash: it is unlikely that you can dd an .iso that is located on a usb-stick onto the same usb-stick.
[22:30] <sadhash> I'll read docs. I've been at reading documentation for hours trying to get th
[22:30] <sadhash> Every solution seems to require X to be working. Which it's not for me
[22:30] <sadhash> No no, I want to put it on the hard drive first
[22:31] <sadhash> I just don't have the bandwidth to install to the pc from the internet. I just want to transfer from the usb pendrive onto the pc first, before I dd
[22:31] <David-A> sadhash: I now suppose you have a .iso file on a usb-stick and want to make a live-usb-system on the same or another usb-stick? or do you have a dvd drive and an empty dvd disk?
[22:32] <sadhash> Not dvd but usb stick
[22:33] <David-A> sadhash: what is the final goal? to use the .iso file, to make a live system, from where to install xubuntu on the hard drive?
[22:33] <sadhash> I have 2 usb sticks, both 16gb, and my pc that only boots from scsi or usb
[22:33] <sadhash> Yes sir
[22:35] <David-A> sadhash: use one of the usb sticks for a live usb system. one way to do that is to dd a .iso onto it. then boot the live usb system and install to the hard drive.
[22:36] <David-A> sadhash: do you have 2 usb ports, so you can access an .iso file on one usb to dd it to another usb?
[22:36] <sadhash> Yes I can
[22:37] <David-A> sadhash: do you currently have an .iso file on one usb? (as a file, e.g. called xubuntu-bla-bla-bla.iso)?
[22:38] <sadhash> Yes
[22:39] <David-A> sadhash: the usb with the file should be mounted, so you can read the file. then if would have a device like /dev/zzz and be mounted maybe in /media/something (zzz and something are variables)
[22:40] <sadhash> Usb drives are not mounting
[22:40] <David-A> sadhash: the other usb where you are going to create the live system should not be mounted, but should have a device in /dev/xxx (where xxx is a variable)
[22:42] <David-A> sadhash: if the usb with the .iso file is not mounted automagically you should be able to mount it manually. first create an empty dir to become its mount point. e.g. 'mkdir /media/usbwithiso' and then 'mount /dev/zzz /media/usbwithiso'
[22:43] <sadhash> Yay
[22:44] <David-A> sadhash: (where zzz is the same variable a before) (usbwithiso could be just that if you want, or name it something else if you want)
[22:44] <sadhash> I love you.
[22:45] <sadhash> Now to find the name of the blank usb stick I'm going to make live
[22:48] <sadhash> Tytytytyty
[22:50] <sadhash> Isolinux.bin missing or corrupt
[23:00] <sadhash> When rebooting, bios says a new error. "Isolinux.bin" not found or corrupt
[23:04] <David-A> sadhash: is that error when you boot into the live usb system? (that you just created with a dd)
[23:08] <sadhash> When I attempt to boot from the liveusb we just created
[23:11] <sadhash> I used dd if=/media/usb/xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc1
[23:11] <sadhash> Sdc1 being my sacrificial live usb device
[23:12] <sadhash> It finished with a successful output. I tried it again, restarted, same result
[23:14] <David-A> sadhash: you could compare the md5sum of the .iso file with, ehh, some site
[23:15] <sadhash> I'll have to figure that out
[23:18] <David-A> sadhash: md5sums on a UK mirror http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/MD5SUMS
[23:20] <sadhash> The hash checks out as valid
[23:21] <David-A> sadhash: your error is smarter than me :)
[23:22] <sadhash> Thanks ill keep reading documentation. Or go to Walmart and buy a new pc
[23:22] <sadhash> Well, laptop.. /Cry


[05:24] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> morning baizon
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/linus-torvalds-announces-first-linux-kernel-4-6-rc-build-introduces-orangefs-502217.shtml
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> lol?
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/photos-of-cats-love-linux
[05:50] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[05:50] <baizon> lol²
[05:50] <baizon> https://i.imgur.com/FfRrCr9.jpg
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:50] <baizon> wth is orangefs?
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> not sure
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> !find orangefs
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> OrangeFS is an open source parallel file system, the next generation of Parallel Virtual File System. A parallel file system is a type of distributed file system that distributes file data across multiple servers and provides for concurrent access by multiple tasks of a parallel application. OrangeFS was designed for use in large scale cluster computing and is used by companies, universities, national laboratories and sim
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> ilar sites worldwide
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> to make it simple oO
[06:51] <blueFive> I'm using Manjaro + KDE after being a Ubuntu user.
[06:51] <blueFive> I must say the experience is impressive.
[06:51] <blueFive> Anyone here used Manjaro??
[06:52] <cfhowlett> errrr you do know this is the UBUNTU channel, yes??
[06:52] <blueFive> Yes but it's a discussion channel.
[06:52] <cfhowlett> and the topic is ... ah, forget it
[06:52] <blueFive> I too thought I had as good a Linux experience as was to be found.
[06:52] <blueFive> But Manjaro really is slick.
[06:52] <dax> <-- debian testing + KDE
[06:53] <cfhowlett> so go talk to manjaro support and thanks for sharing your unsolicited opinions
[06:53] <blueFive> cfhowlett, Nothing is stopping you from trying out a live version of Manjaro.
[06:54] <dax> i've never tried Manjaro, to be honest. not much fond of Arch, so figured it wasn't worth it
[06:54] <dax> since the stuff i didn't like in arch is in manjaro, e.g. pacman
[06:54] <blueFive> What don't you like about pacman?
[06:54] <blueFive> That's the best name ever for a package manager.
[06:55] <dax> doesn't work well with how i do package management, with a well-defined list of manually-installed packages and anything else being installed/removed as needed
[06:56] <dax> aptitude and gentoo's portage do it well. yum (haven't tried dnf) and pacman focus more on package groups and such
[06:56] <blueFive> Ubuntu is solid no doubt but it lacks the polish and excitement I found with Manjaro. Manjaro just seems to take it to the next level whereas Ubuntu feels relatively inhibited.
[06:57] <blueFive> My Sabayon has written successfully so I'm off to see how I like it.
[06:57] <blueFive> Like I say, these live versions are very handy for test driving a variety of distros.
[06:58] <dax> back when i was poking at different distros, i used to use one for a week to get a feel for it. can't get a good experience from a few hours on a live iso
[06:58] <dax> not enough for an informed opinion, anyway
[07:06] <blueFive> Another impressive distro. I had no errors whatsoever loading Sabayon whereas I had some error codes come up when Manjaro loaded.
[07:07] <blueFive> However, Manjaro is the more exciting distro in my mind.
[07:41] <blueFive> Hey guys.
[09:34] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:12] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: It is a pointless discuss, I'd drop it if I were you.
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: seems like it :p
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hi folks