[15:33] <coffeeguy> it's no biggy to reinstall, just want to know if the download page has the patched current version
[15:34] <zomaar> `ajven: http://termbin.com/jou8
[15:34] <zomaar> `ajven: rdepends of cinnamon-desktop-environment
[15:35] <`ajven> zomaar, damn a lot of usless pacakges also :/
[15:35] <`ajven> so best way is to install cinnamon core
[15:37] <zomaar> `ajven: I guess and cinnamon
[15:37] <zomaar> Oh that's already in it
[15:51] <zomaar> coffeeguy: Don't have the answer to that, but you can also revert to a previous patch, also if you install fresh
[15:58] <charvijain16_> HI
[15:58] <charvijain16_> I am new to IRC
[15:58] <xpoliceman> welcome
[15:59] <gregl> I have a gforce 9500 I want to use the nvidia driver,but in the past the instillation would trash my system,, I have searched the Internet,but I keep coming up short.. Would anyone have any suggestions?
[15:59] <charvijain16_> anyone willing to guide me for artificial intelligence
[16:00] <charvijain16_> ?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> gregl, sudo ubuntu-drivers list, this should show the correct avialble drivers for your gpu
[16:03] <BluesKaj> available even
[16:05] <gregl> BluesKaj, Yeah, I have done that,but every time I try to install it boots to a black screen and as you know it's very hard to recover from that.. !6.04 works fine,but not 17.10... I run xorg not waylan so I think it should work..
[16:06] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset | gregl
[16:07] <gregl> Thanks for that.. I will check it out
[16:09] <esch> hello all, I'm installing server 13.04 on a machine, and the ehternet drivers are not installed/detected so I cannot configure network during install. I was able to download a tarball with the drivers, but I can't install because 'make' is not installed
[16:10] <esch> how can I install make without apt-get being available?
[16:10] <electricmilk> esch, You can download the .deb file and use dpkg -i
[16:11] <esch> electricmilk: will I need to worry about dependancies? or will the .deb file be enough?
[16:11] <kostkon> esch, 13.04 is not supported anymore
[16:11] <xpoliceman>  bonjour j'ai un souci je n'arrive pas installe JDK sur Netbeans pour les developpements android que dois je faire merci d'avance
[16:12] <kostkon> !fr | xpoliceman
[16:12] <electricmilk> esch, It will tell you what dependencies are missing. I really don't know though
[16:13] <esch> kostkon: yeah I know, I'm using the machine for ROS, the package I'm using and ultimately the ROS installation supports 13.04
[16:13] <esch> electricmilk: gotcha, thanks
[16:15] <za1b1tsu> Can someone help me, my disk space is shrinking rapidly
[16:15] <za1b1tsu> I went from a couple of gigs to 648 mb
[16:15] <za1b1tsu> in a couple of minututes
[16:15] <za1b1tsu> my log file is getting bigger and bigger
[16:15] <esch> hm actually I wonder if I should try installing the nonfree firmware .deb first
[16:15] <slipttees> alkisg: Back... install again
[16:15] <za1b1tsu> 30 gb is rigt now
[16:16] <za1b1tsu> 30 gb is rigt now
[16:20] <ickefes> i have a laptop with windows installed on a UEFI installation and the drive is sda. I want to make an image of this one so I can restore it if I change my mind. Is it enough to do "dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/save/sda_disk.iso" ?
[16:21] <za1b1tsu> Jan 10 11:13:25 bogdan-X541UAK kernel: [   66.336429] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5: PCIe Bus Error: severity=Corrected, type=Physical Layer, id=00e5(Receiver ID)
[16:22] <za1b1tsu> my log file is keep getting bigger and bigger
[16:22] <za1b1tsu> 19gb
[16:27] <Neo4> what grep comand does ?
[16:27] <Neo4> http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1515688008.png
[16:27] <Neo4> grep -r GMW_Form_Init * this is used for search in folder?
[16:27] <akik> Neo4: grep finds text for you
[16:27] <Neo4> what there star means?
[16:28] <Neo4> *
[16:28] <Neo4> grep text * ???
[16:28] <akik> Neo4: * is for all files
[16:28] <akik> Neo4: -r is for recursive so it goes through all the sub dirs too
[16:28] <Neo4> in all files where exists that phrase
[16:28] <Neo4> understood
[16:28] <leftyfb> Neo4: http://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/linux/common-linux-commands/
[16:29] <Neo4> grep [options] pattern [filesname]
[16:30] <Neo4> option -4 pater is text and filesname is *
[16:30] <Neo4> and pater can be regular expression?
[16:30] <leftyfb> Neo4: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-use-grep-command-in-linux-unix/
[16:31] <Neo4> grep -r /d{3} * it should be find 3 digits near
[16:32] <Neo4> this nice http://www.robelle.com/smugbook/regexpr.html
[16:33] <Neo4> I know regular expression well
[16:33] <nacc> Neo4: perhaps you want to read `man grep`.
[16:33] <Neo4> in general this 'grep' is used for fast seek files
[16:35] <stephen101> got this weird error on last reboot
[16:35] <stephen101> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wmc1ebS8XoCYxVhH3
[16:35] <slipttees> alkisg: Hi bro?
[16:37] <stephen101> says bug. softlockup of cpu2.
[16:37] <Neo4> stephen101: probably CPU is broken )
[16:38] <stephen101> when i tried to get terminal ctrl alt f3 same error continued, had to force the power button
[16:38] <stephen101> its working in top atm...?
[16:38] <stephen101> btw i dont have cpu2
[16:39] <stephen101> Tasks: 195 total,   3 running, 192 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[16:39] <stephen101> %Cpu0  :  6.7 us,  2.3 sy,  0.0 ni, 90.6 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.3 si,  0.0 st
[16:39] <stephen101> %Cpu1  :  7.3 us,  1.4 sy,  0.0 ni, 88.9 id,  1.7 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.7 si,  0.0 st
[16:40] <nacc> stephen101: grep -c '^processor' /proc/cpuinfo
[16:41] <stephen101> nothin on that command
[16:44] <stephen101> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26366917/
[16:45] <stephen101> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26366921/
[16:52] <slipttees> alkisg: clean install and now works without problem :-)
[16:52] <slipttees> alkisg: change partition scheme
[16:54] <whitebeast> Im not sure why but i cannot login to any user.. The screen just goes black and askes for the password again.. Any ideas on how to resolve this?
[16:54] <slipttees> alkisg: thx for u time bro...
[16:58] <stephen101> i had same exact issue other day. i had to open terminal and do distro update.
[16:58] <BluesKaj> whitebeast, have you tried the recovery kernel in grub, then using the "repair' option in the dialog?
[16:59] <stephen101> and following remove nvidia driver and reinstall. came after some system updates from ubuntu.
[16:59] <whitebeast> How do i get to the options? My system boots quickly
[17:00] <stephen101> clt alt f3 gets you to command
[17:00] <whitebeast> Is 16.04 still lts?
[17:00] <dabba> yep
[17:01] <stephen101> think mine updated to 16.04.1
[17:01] <dabba> i'm on 16.04.3
[17:01] <zomaar> esch: did you have your solution?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> whitebeast, hold the left shiftkey down to see the grub bootloader right after the POST page
[17:02] <esch> zomaar: was able to get make installed by redoing the installation and selecting packages manually, now I'm working on getting the driver installed
[17:03] <esch> got to the point where I am trying to load the module with modprobe, it loads but still no ethernet interface
[17:03] <BluesKaj> anyway too many cooks ...bbl
[17:03] <esch> following their readme https://downloadmirror.intel.com/15817/eng/readme.txt
[17:03] <whitebeast> Thanks you guys
[17:05] <esch> where it says to run 'modprobe <e1000e> [parameter=port1_value]' I am assuming that the command ends up being 'modprobe e1000e' but how do I specify the port as eth0?
[17:05] <esch> I tried parameter=eth0 but it didn't work
[17:06] <akik> esch: they're set in /etc/modprobe.d
[17:07] <qwip> By mistake while being in su (root) mode in /root/etc/ I issued the command rmdir *
[17:07] <esch> so load module via modprobe then go to /etc/modprobe.d and set?
[17:07] <akik> esch: e.g. create e1000e.conf and put in there "options e10001 ..."
[17:07] <esch> ah
[17:07] <akik> esch: when the module is loaded, it'll get the options from that file
[17:07] <TJ-> stephen101: will the system reboot into an older kernel so you can capture logs?
[17:08] <esch> oh I see, I wonder why their readme doesn't have me make a conf first
[17:08] <esch> thanks akik
[17:09] <qwip> Help! By mistake while being in su (root) mode in /root/etc/ I issued the command rmdir *. and some folders got deleted. what to do?
[17:10] <stephen101> anyone have any ideas how to fix screen tearing? happens randomly mainly when i open files in gedit
[17:10] <stephen101> https://photos.app.goo.gl/yNIR0fw8sBfP9kQM2
[17:10] <stephen101> the photo ss shows the issue.
[17:11] <TJ-> qwip: "rmdir" only works on empty directories
[17:12] <qwip> TJ-, sure? i think I deletes the folder if it does not contain any folder
[17:12] <qwip> not sure though
[17:13] <qwip> ahh, thanks for reminding me. so I am safe. TJ-
[17:14] <TJ-> esch: the format for options is "options e1000e <parameter>=<value for port1>[,<value for port 2>[,<value for port 3>]]
[17:16] <TJ-> esch: e.g: "options e1000e InterruptThrottleRate=16000,16000"
[17:17] <esch> TJ-: yeah I saw that example in the readme, but I'm still unclear on how to set the interface.. I don't that "option" name listed
[17:17] <esch> sorry if I'm being a bit dense I'm just not familiar with this
[17:18] <TJ-> esch: you don't have to specify paramters, those are if you need to alter the default values (for tuning performance)
[17:19] <esch> TJ-: sure that makes sense, but when I try and load the module using 'modprobe e1000e' it does not "create" an interface
[17:19] <TJ-> esch: what does "dmesg" show?
[17:19] <gregl> BluesKaj,  Earlier you helped me out with a nvidia driver problem... With the info you provided I can report success.. Thanks for your time..
[17:20] <shazbotmcnasty> hey there - running ubuntu 16.04 mate, trying to make a SMB share that's available to 'everyone' and 'anonymous logon' to a specific location like "\\fog\deployment\images\windows\Win7\pro\" -- does anyone have a good place to start?
[17:20] <BluesKaj> gregl, np :-)
[17:20] <TJ-> !cookie BluesKaj
[17:20]  * TJ- pokes ubottu
[17:21] <BluesKaj> Hey TJ- :-)
[17:21] <esch> TJ-: not currently on that machine and there's no network access so I can't copy/paste anywhere. eth0 does show up, but there are errors
[17:21] <esch> sec I'll just take a picture and upload
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> !samba | shazbotmcnasty
[17:22] <stephen101> smb share transfers are slow between windows and ubuntu
[17:22] <stephen101> unsecure ftp if sharing only inside your network has faster transfers
[17:23] <stephen101> ftp can be mounted just as easy as smb within windows
[17:23] <esch> TJ-: https://i.imgur.com/RwXIVI5.jpg
[17:24] <shazbotmcnasty> stephen101: so it wouldn't make much sense to have windows deployment images being shared from a linux machine? That's what my intention is.
[17:25] <shazbotmcnasty> I can put them on a windows server - i would just prefer my pxe server and my windows deployement server to be the same machine.
[17:26] <stephen101> idk i didnt have much luck using smb, it was slow.
[17:27] <stephen101> i think maxed speed was like around 2mbs
[17:27] <V7> Hey all :)
[17:28] <V7> So tput is from ncurses package, but I might don't have this one, but why then tput exists ?
[17:30] <akik> stephen101: samba can do faster than that. i'm currently transferring at 7 MiB/s over wireless
[17:30] <brainwash> V7: what?
[17:30] <brainwash> V7: package name is ncurses-bin
[17:31] <stephen101> i was also using cat5 both machines
[17:31] <stephen101> ftp went to around 25mbs
[17:32] <jacko115> TJ-: After a reporting the bug report on Gnome, they pointed the finger at Dash. I installed vanilla gnome and didn't have the issue (gnome crash when only monitor is disconnected https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792428)
[17:32] <V7> oh
[17:33] <V7> brainwash: How to check which command for which packet ?
[17:33] <V7> package *
[17:33] <akik> stephen101: do you mean megabits per second?
[17:33] <stephen101> yes MiB/s
[17:33] <brainwash> V7: dpkg -S tput
[17:33] <akik> stephen101: that's mibibytes per second
[17:33] <V7> Why mEgabytes are MiBs ?
[17:34] <nicomachus> V7: not on topic for this channel, feel free to google it.
[17:34] <V7> Thank you very much brainwash
[17:34] <V7> Roger that nicomachus, sorry
[17:35] <stephen101> the transfer speed smb v. ftp from ubuntu to my windows 10 machine was like night and day
[17:36] <bnason> Is there any way to ungroup windows in the dock in 17.10?
[17:37] <bnason> Or a replacement dock that you can do that in?
[17:40] <TJ-> esch: seems pretty clear: you've specified something called 'parameter' as a parameter but there is no parameter called 'parameter' !
[17:40] <esch> TJ-: yeah was just unclear when I was trying to follow the readme, I've done modprobe -r e1000e but it doesn't get rid of that stuff
[17:41] <esch> I've never used modprobe before so I'm sort of blind here
[17:41] <TJ-> esch: you've got some bad entries in the config file you're created
[17:41] <esch> where would this config file be?
[17:42] <esch> it's not in modprobe.d
[17:42] <TJ-> esch: didn't you create a file containing the options - I thought that was what you were doing
[17:43] <esch> no, it was suggested and I went to do that but there's nothing about doing a config file on their readme, so again I'm blind and sort of guessing
[17:44] <esch> TJ-: when I installed the ethernet hardware did not work so I had to compile/install them, and am getting stuck at loading the module and getting it to work
[17:44] <esch> installed meaning initial operating system install
[17:45] <TJ-> esch: did you edit /etc/modprobe.conf adding the entries they show under "Configuring the Driver on Different Distributions"? Because your photo shows errors that indicate it is finding those 2 'alias' and 1 'options' line
[17:45] <esch> there is no /etc/modprobe.conf
[17:46] <TJ-> esch: search with  "sudo grep -n 'alias eth0' /etc/"
[17:47] <esch> TJ-: grep doesn't like that, returns /etc/ is a directory
[17:48] <akik> TJ-: i told him to use /etc/modprobe.d/e1000e.conf
[17:48] <esch> akik: I did create that file and added alias eth0 e1000e but it generated an error and didn't do anything, and is probably what is causing some errors
[17:49] <akik> esch: the syntax needs to be correct for it to work
[17:49] <esch> i imagine so
[17:50] <soee_> anyoen able to run VB on 4.14 Kernel? I'm having this error https://pastebin.com/gx7MZ2pj
[17:50] <TJ-> esch: sorry, should be -rn not -n !
[17:50] <esch> TJ-: no worries, that query returns nothing
[17:51] <esch> or is that removing the entries
[17:51] <esch> (sorry I'm clearly not as competent as I thought I was... heh)
[17:51] <TJ-> esch: did you create a file or not? you just told akik you did, but a few moments ago you told me you didn't
[17:51] <esch> I would just man grep but man is not installed
[17:51] <esch> TJ-: i did but since it didn't work i removed it
[17:52] <esch> sorry for being unclear
[17:52] <TJ-> esch: OK, so those messages in the kernel log are from previous bad configs
[17:52] <esch> aah
[17:52] <TJ-> esch: "lsmod | grep e1000e"
[17:54] <esch> should I expect something to return there
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> soee_: there's an existing bug on it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1639310
[17:54] <TJ-> esch: and why is the kernel version 3.8? That's not been supported in a long time
[17:54] <TJ-> esch: if the module is loaded, yes
[17:54] <TJ-> esch: if nothing was returned do "sudo modprobe e1000e" and then re-run the "lsmod | grep e1000e"
[17:55] <soee_> lotuspsychje: thanks, i just added myself as affecte
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> soee_: did you check dmesg also?
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> soee_: wich ubuntu are you on?
[17:58] <soee_> lotuspsychje: 16.04 (Neon)
[17:59] <soee_> btw (not VB related), is this error in dmesg any important: https://pastebin.com/0mBXQbhP ?
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> soee_: how did you install kernel?
[18:00] <soee_> lotuspsychje: kernel is downloaded from mainline
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> soee_: did you try VB on previous kernels?
[18:01] <soee_> lotuspsychje: not yet, maybe ill try on 4.13
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial | soee_
[18:01] <esch> TJ-: I know, the intended use for this machine is for ROS, and the module I intend to use for ROS requires I use an older version and the latest version of ubuntu it supports is 13.04
[18:02] <esch> TJ-: lsmod | grep e1000e returns "e1000e 168510 0" and "ptp 18189 1 e1000e"
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> soee_: added other ppa's to your system?
[18:03] <riko> Yo.
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> riko: welcome, how can we help you?
[18:03] <soee_> lotuspsychje: ppa's with what? i have some but they are not related to kernels or vb
[18:03] <esch> TJ-: unfortunately I have to leave now for work, but I'll leave this session connected so if you have any further answers/advice it would be appreciated, and I will continue the work tomorrow
[18:03] <tatertots> riko: sup , do you have a issue technical in nature?
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> soee_: well with ppa's added we cant possibly know what scrambled your system right
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> soee_: i suggest testing it on a vanilla ubuntu, then if you like try mainline .14
[18:05] <riko> How reply to user in IRC-client?
[18:05] <soee_> ill try 4.13 first, maybe the problem is that im on 4.14.8 not the latest 4.14 because they fail to run with nvidai propriety driver
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> soee_: also a thing you could test, graphics drivers
[18:06] <JonelethIrenicus> I installed the android sdk from the repos
[18:06] <JonelethIrenicus> how can i launch it
[18:06] <tatertots> riko: i don't know....personally what i do, is type the first few letters of a "username" and press tab
[18:06] <tatertots> riko: but that's more a habit picked up outside of IRC....it just happens to work for me "inside" irc as well YMMV
[18:07] <tatertots> YMMV= your mileage may vary
[18:07] <riko> tatertots, it works, yeah!
[18:09] <tatertots> riko: so that was your "technical" issue?...i put my coffee down for that? lol :)
[18:11] <riko> tatertots, i have no technical issues, all system works done. I join in this chat just for fun
[18:15] <xs2> hey might someone know why does xfce panel disappear, i.e. it gets covered by windows resized by xmonad? https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Config_archive/eschulte_xmonad.hs this is the config file
[18:15] <TJ-> esch: lsmod shows the module had loaded correctly so there will be interfaces you can configure, check with "ip link show" - probably they are named emX where X is a number
[18:20] <JonelethIrenicus> how can i download a deb file to my current directory?
[18:20] <mst89> change to directory then wget file.deb
[18:20] <deadbum> After installing linux-image-generic for the meltdown/spectre patched kernel (3.13.0-139-generic) when I reboot it's still selecting the old kernel version (3.13.0-100) for some reason. I have confirmed that /boot/grub/grub.cfg has the 3.13.0-139 version as the top kernel and /etc/default/grub:GRUB_DEFAULT=0  Anyone know why it wouldn't be booting the most recent kernel? Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[18:22] <JonelethIrenicus> mst89: but from the repos
[18:23] <itsme_> hi
[18:24] <TJ-> deadbum: at boot-time access the GRUB boot menu, highlight the first entry, press 'e' to edit it, navigate down to the line starting "linux ..." and check which vmlinuz-<version> you see there, then boot that entry and use "uname -r" to ensure the running version matches what grub showed
[18:24] <JonelethIrenicus> i installed android-sdk but can't use the "sdkmanager"
[18:24] <JonelethIrenicus> is it called something else on ubuntu?
[18:25] <hodor123456> How can I know that my ubuntu 16.04 lts installation was correct?
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> hodor123456: when it boots?
[18:25] <TJ-> JonelethIrenicus: "apt-get --download-only install <package>" - packages will be in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[18:25] <deadbum> TJ-: this is a cloud instance so I don't have access to an interactive grub menu
[18:26] <deadbum> from what I understand it's supposed to boot the top kernel from /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[18:26] <kostkon> JonelethIrenicus, how did you install it
[18:26] <TJ-> deadbum: then presumably your provider has some way to configure the kernel to use
[18:26] <JonelethIrenicus> TJ-: thanks
[18:26] <JonelethIrenicus> kostkon: it is in the repos
[18:27] <deadbum> TJ-: considering I have hundreds to reboot into this new kernel filing a ticket for them to touch each one seems ill advised. Is there no way to specify the kernel to boot before rebooting?
[18:27] <deadbum> literally never encountered this before, normally I update a kernel package and that's that, it reboots into the newest one
[18:28] <JonelethIrenicus> TJ-: does that place the files into some directory?
[18:28] <kostkon> JonelethIrenicus, well, there's a better way, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make
[18:28] <TJ-> JonelethIrenicus: as I said, /var/cache/apt/aarchives/
[18:28] <kostkon> JonelethIrenicus, remove the one you've installed from the repos and use Ubuntu make to install the latest version of the sdk
[18:29] <JonelethIrenicus> TJ-: oh sorry didn't catch tthat
[18:29] <TJ-> deadbum: so you don't have any net-console access ?
[18:29] <JonelethIrenicus> kostkon: ok
[18:29] <deadbum> TJ-: correct, I can only reach it once it's booted and ssh is up. I could have the provider manually intervene but that won't work for hundreds of machines.
[18:30] <hodor123456> lotuspsychje: It booted well,internet is working,but when I am trying 'ping google.com' or anything.It just saying 'Unknown host'.Where maybe the problem is?
[18:30] <TJ-> deadbum: what hypervisor is it, do you know? KVM maybe? I'm trying to think of explanations for what you're seeing
[18:30] <JonelethIrenicus> kostkon: that is useful
[18:30] <elia> and for CW ? c'è qualcuno che fa telegrafia ?????
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> hodor123456: wifi or cable?
[18:30] <kostkon> JonelethIrenicus, yeap
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> !it | elia
[18:31] <deadbum> TJ-: it's AWS, so Xen I believe
[18:33] <TJ-> deadbum: this article seems to deal with at including showing how to enable grub console: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/UserProvidedKernels.html
[18:34] <TJ-> deadbum: pay particular attention to the sentence "GRUB can fall back to another kernel in the event that the new kernel fails. "
[18:34] <deadbum> TJ-: ah ok. That is disconcerting considering this is the only LTS kernel that addresses meltdown/spectre.
[18:34] <deadbum> for 14.04
[18:35] <TJ-> deadbum: we've had several iterations to fix bugs so far; you may have hit another. If you can identify it via enabling the GRUB console to collect evidence, join #ubuntu-kernel and report it as a bug too, it'll be acted on almost immediately
[18:36] <deadbum> ok, I'll see what I can do. Thanks
[18:50] <jer> i'm getting an error from grub when trying to boot windows that file /grub/x86_64-efi/ntldr.mod is not found... yes the file doesn't exist, but not sure where to get it from
[18:51] <jer> (or how do i generate it?)
[18:52] <TJ-> jer: it would be installed by "grub-install"
[18:52] <TJ-> jer: you'll need to tell grub-install where to install to, check the man-page
[18:53] <jer> TJ-, so windows and linux are on separate drives, and i don't want to blow away the windows bootloader on the second drive (because it shouldn't be needed) -- so i can't install grub on that drive; unless i'm misunderstanding
[18:55] <TJ-> jer: grub-install will install the GRUB EFI loader (/boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi) and all it's own modules under /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/ - check the latter directory now, you should see a lot of *.mod (module) files
[18:55] <jer> TJ-, i do, i do not have ntldr.mod tho
[18:58] <TJ-> jer: ooooo nice bug you've found, I think. That file exists in the grub-pc (i386) BIOS package but not the grub-efi (x86_64-efi) EFI package
[18:58] <jer> ah
[18:58] <alkisg> I don't think you can load ntldr from efi
[18:58] <jer> so i guess my only option at the moment is to either figure out the chainloading paths, or switch boot priority in my bios? =]
[18:58] <alkisg> ntldr requires bios
[18:58] <jer> alkisg, oh?
[18:58] <alkisg> AFAIK, yes
[18:58] <TJ-> jer: presumably because with EFI the firmware should be loading Windows from its boot menu, not GRUB
[18:58] <jer> ok that makes sense
[18:59] <shazbotmcnasty> hey so i've got that smb share set up on ubuntu - sharing out a folder with installer files in it, but i cannot run them from a windows computer, it says that we don't have permission (from the destination computer) - how do I give everyone read/execute rights to everything in a folge
[18:59] <alkisg> you can load the windows efi loader, but not ntldr
[18:59] <shazbotmcnasty> folder **
[18:59] <TJ-> jer: on EFI the motherboard maintains a list of OSes and where their boot-loaders are
[19:00] <TJ-> jer: so I guess there's a hot-key at boot to open the manual boot menu so you can select a non-default entry
[19:00] <TJ-> alkisg: so long since I messed with Windows!
[19:01] <jer> heh me too =]
[19:01] <jer> need to test some code on windows though, so... figured i should set this up properly instead of just switching in the bios every time
[19:01] <Radkos> hello can you please help me with info about shutting down ubuntu 14.04 with grace - I mean without SIGTERM the program but wait for it to close - like it was in earlier versions - 10.04 as I remember - there was a dconf option but I cant find it anymore
[19:02] <TJ-> jer: EFI does it properly now, not requiring boot loaders to do it, and preventing them over-writing each other
[19:02] <Radkos> The reason i'm asking is firefox being forced to close everytime I shutdown the computer without closing it first and on next firefox start it asks for recovering my tabs
[19:03] <TJ-> Radkos: how do you initiate the shutdown?
[19:04] <Radkos> I press the powerbutton once
[19:05] <Radkos> it asks for action and choose shutdown
[19:05] <Radkos> its like doing from the button in the upper right corner
[19:05] <TJ-> Radkos: so it is the GUI/DE/WM that is not behaving as you want it to
[19:05] <Radkos> yes
[19:05] <TJ-> Radkos: is it the default Unity desktop ?
[19:06] <Radkos> any ideas - its not just my system two others of my friends has the same issue - so it got to be a setting somewhere
[19:06] <Radkos> yes the default unity
[19:07] <Radkos> one of my friends upgraded from 12.04 - any chance something got messed up with settings from it?
[19:07] <TJ-> Radkos: I would have thought it should be sending SIGTERM to all applications it has launched before shutting down. If you send a SIGTERM to firefox manually from terminal does it exit correctly for you?
[19:07] <Radkos> let me check
[19:11] <kostkon> Radkos, here's the bug report, #1662281
[19:11] <kostkon> hmm, Bug #1662281
[19:12] <Radkos> i've done kill -15 and it's incorectly closed
[19:12] <Radkos> it seems to be bug-related
[19:14] <Radkos> hm doesn anyone knows a workaround as I'm not able to find one
[19:15] <Radkos> or i have to close the browser every time before shutting down
[19:16] <DouglasK> Question... Ubuntu docs say one can share the desktop, but the option to share it isn't available as described in the docs.  I do have vino installed per the docs.  https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/sharing-desktop.html  I'm running Ubuntu 17.10.  Ideas?
[19:16] <kostkon> Radkos, you could try this https://askubuntu.com/a/451392/1651
[19:16] <lotuspsychje_> DouglasK: i see they added remmina to bionic, you could try that perhaps?
[19:17] <lotuspsychje_> !info remmina | DouglasK
[19:18] <TJ-> Radkos: try starting firefox from the terminal in foreground then send the "pkill firefox" and see if anything is reported by firefox about why it is crashing. You can also use the "firefox --debug" to run it under a full debugger session
[19:18] <DouglasK> lotuspsychje_, I do have remmina and vino installed... I have the client to connect to a system... just not the ability to share my desktop.
[19:19] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get update
[19:19] <alkisg> jer, sorry, I was afk; so, why would you want to load ntldr/bootmgr, which is for BIOS, instead of bootmgr.efi, which is for EFI? You cannot load windows in BIOS mode when you're using efi
[19:20] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Hey, how's it going? Is the issue still active/being worked on?
[19:20] <leftyfb> DouglasK: personally I use either x11vnc or teamviewer
[19:21] <TJ-> pizzaburger: it's stalled, being unable to reliably reproduce it
[19:21] <DouglasK> leftyfb, I'll give x11vnc a look ... I avoid teamviewer as I do sometimes use remote access for work, and am not up for the licensing fee.
[19:22] <pizzaburger> TJ-: So it's an abandoned issue?
[19:22] <jimb_> DouglasK - Zoom.us has an excellent offering that works well with Ubuntu
[19:23] <alkisg> DouglasK: if you want a test, this is all you need to run to share you screen with me: x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[19:23] <alkisg> DouglasK: that's what I use to support 1000+ schools
[19:23] <TJ-> pizzaburger: I've got a separate issue that crashes the kernel and can't get anything done on that and I've pinpointed the cause in the code. ecryptfs is feeling like Abandonware
[19:24] <tombusby> Hi there, I've just updated to 18.04 and I'm stuck in a login loop
[19:24] <tombusby> trying some of the things online doesn't seem to work
[19:24] <Radkos> TJ-, it's not crashing actually
[19:24] <tombusby> my nvidia drivers are installed properly
[19:24] <lotuspsychje_> tombusby: #ubuntu+1 please
[19:24] <tombusby> ok
[19:25] <Radkos> with pkill it closes correctly 'kill -15 firefox is the one causing troubles I beleive being used by logout and shutdown script
[19:25] <TJ-> Radkos: they're the same thing SIGTERM is -15
[19:26] <Radkos> yes i know but i get different results with them
[19:26] <Radkos> with pkill everyting is fine but with -15 is not
[19:26] <TJ-> Radkos: ooo, is it because with pkill it sends SIGTERM to *ALL* firefox processes, whereas with "kill -15 <pid>" you're only killing 1 process?
[19:27] <TJ-> Radkos: are you using a multi-process version of firefox? ( 1 process per tab kind of thing )
[19:27] <Radkos> I have only one firefox process but yes maybe pkill is killing all forks of it - like WebContent - or whatever is called
[19:28] <TJ-> Radkos: that would make sense
[19:28] <DouglasK> alkisg, I tried, but it error'd out.
[19:28] <DouglasK> alkisg, I'll circle back to this in a bit... need to call a customer.
[19:28] <Radkos> It was 4 by default but I've changed it to 1
[19:28] <Radkos> but no change
[19:28] <alkisg> DouglasK: sure, np, i may be afk for a while but I'll be back later. What was the error.
[19:29] <DouglasK> alkisg, I'll /msg it as it's four lines.
[19:29] <TJ-> Radkos: you're checking the process list for 'firefox' and all it's child processes (those that list the firefox PID as their PPID) ?
[19:29] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Oh, I see. So just to clear things up - the issue is not going to be solved right?
[19:30] <TJ-> pizzaburger: I can't be sure but it seems like the devs behind ecryptfs have got bored and moved on to more exciting projects :p
[19:31] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Okay, that sucks, I had hopes for recovering my data sometime, but oh well.
[19:31] <Radkos> i believe kill just closses the main process
[19:31] <Radkos> with killall -15 the result is the same - session restore
[19:31] <Radkos> killall -15 firefox is what I've called
[19:32] <Radkos> is there a way to manipulate killing script on shutdown - logoff to use pkill instead of kill
[19:32] <TJ-> pizzaburger: I know, it annoys me, but I've spent about a week trying to reproduce your scenario and cannot, I've produced all sorts of alternate broken dirs though!
[19:33] <TJ-> pizzaburger: it doesn't give me much confidence in ecryptfs when something goes wrong; better switching to encrypted ext4 or zfs I think
[19:33] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Would having physicall access to the hard drive improve the situation?
[19:34] <fearfearfear> anyone know if you can install ubuntu onto imac?
[19:34] <TJ-> pizzaburger: It might, but it's a long shot. We pretty much covered all the bases with those marathon sessions
[19:34] <TJ-> !mac | fearfearfear
[19:34] <fearfearfear> thanks
[19:39] <Ezriilc> Greets, ya'all.
[19:39] <Ezriilc> I've got a noob question:  Is there an LTS distro for Intel 64 bit?  I only see "amd64".
[19:40] <arktvrvs> amd64 is the common 64 bit architecture.. unless you're looking for itanium?
[19:41] <Ezriilc> Oh?  I didn't realize that.  Huh...
[19:41] <Ezriilc> So, the standard 64 bit download is the one I want, yea?
[19:41] <arktvrvs> yes most likely
[19:42] <Ezriilc> I mean, the "amd64" LTS version is what I want?
[19:42] <Bashing-om> Ezriilc: AMD holds the patent on the 64 bit architecture is all.
[19:42] <Ezriilc> For an old Intel Core Duo...
[19:42] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Alright, I guess I'll finaly reinstall.   Really?  Dang, I've been out of the game for too long.
[19:42] <arktvrvs> amd sort of pioneered x86_64
[19:42] <arktvrvs> intels 64bit venture was called itanium, and was kind of a flop
[19:43] <Ezriilc> Wow.  So, all 64 bit chips use AMD's tech?
[19:43] <Ezriilc> I learn something new roughly every 3 days.
[19:44] <Ezriilc> Thanks very much for the lesson!  Now I'm off to build an HTPC with Ubuntu.
[19:44] <TJ-> Ezriilc: I wish my life was that placid!
[19:44] <Ezriilc> Don't be so sure.  hehe
[19:44] <Ezriilc> As you can tell, I'm a bit... out of touch.
[19:45] <arktvrvs> placid polecat
[19:45] <DexterF> Ezriilc, well, the 64bit extensions, yes. intel still brews a lot of functionality themselves, and until recently they outperformed AMD by far, that recently changed witht he advent of Ryzen (desktop) and Epyc (server), a 14nm chip desing by Jim Keller who designed the original Athlon back then. this fellow seems to be up on his game
[19:45] <DexterF> Ezriilc, but if you do not know any of this and your life goes ok your doing something right :D
[19:46] <Ezriilc> Oh, thanks for all that detail - very good service here.
[19:46] <BluesKaj> my old amd 5200+ still runs fine, just needed a ssd and more memory
[19:47] <Ezriilc> I do love AMD, and have for a long time, mosty cuz of price.  My latest build has a Ryzen, and we like it very much.
[19:47] <BluesKaj> Ezriilc, nice :-)
[19:47] <Ezriilc> Thanks DexterF!
[19:48] <Ezriilc> and all of ya, of course.
[19:48] <DexterF> BluesKaj, I have such a museum here in case I need a test rig, too :D has a 10 year old asus m2n-e mobo and apart from a shot NIC PHY works a charm
[19:48] <Ezriilc> I guess I'll leave this channel open for when I need help with my HTPC build.
[19:48] <zomaar> Personally don't like how the whole motherboard landscape has changed with the APUs, but I like the Ryzens.
[19:48] <zomaar> m2n-e here
[19:48] <zomaar> haha
[19:49] <zomaar> terrible usb
[19:49] <Ezriilc> Yea, APUs are an odd bird to me as well, but I can see how they might fit a lot of applications.
[19:49] <DexterF> zomaar, bit hot on the bridge, but damn good board. I slammed in an Asus sata6g/usb3 card, all fine
[19:49] <BluesKaj> DexterF, yeah this HTPC is 9 yrs old now and still chugging away
[19:49] <zomaar> I don't know why I have usb issues; even with a usb3 card
[19:50] <zomaar> Most it it came down to a stick, not the botherboard an sich I guess, but I still cannot use any hub at a slight distance anymore
[19:50] <zomaar> Maybe I just need a cable with amplification
[19:51] <zomaar> Talking about 4-6 meters
[19:51] <zomaar> I have a powered hub that worked fine before most of the time
[19:51] <DexterF> Ezriilc, good choice for htpc builds for sure, though I don't know how good AMD+linux are these days regarding video playback. my htpc has done 7 years on intel sandy bridge like a charm (while everyone turns a bad eye to intel for thir gpu bits, but it works), generally thought the word is nvidia, especially if you need it do do funky things like odd framerates while sending the hdmi signal through a receiver.
[19:52] <zomaar> On a 4m extension cord, but everything fails to work in it now
[19:52] <zomaar> Meanwhile a 6m extended usb keyboard works fine
[19:52] <Ezriilc> My main box runs Winblows, the HTPC build is an Intel e4400.
[19:52] <TJ-> zomaar: keyboard uses 1.1 signalling, not 3.x
[19:52] <DexterF> zomaar, ubuntu? should be ok, but still in 2018 a lot of linux distros have weird usb stacks. (opensuse, I'm looking at you and your bug I reported in 2010 or so)
[19:52] <Ezriilc> Gotta have that DirectX for all da games.
[19:52] <zomaar> Another hub also fails on the same 4m cable
[19:53] <DexterF> 4m is a bit far though
[19:53] <zomaar> I guess
[19:53] <TJ-> zomaar: are you able to test alternate USB3 rated (long) cables?
[19:53] <zomaar> I am not really using USB 3 devices
[19:53] <zomaar> Only USB 2
[19:54] <zomaar> E.g.  a 3G stick
[19:54] <DexterF> usb3 is not lenght limited, if the signal goes through usb3 will flag ok. usb2 not. signal might silently degrade.
[19:54] <TJ-> I have a 7 metre extension to a ceiling-mounted projector
[19:54] <zomaar> Does that need usb3 controller?
[19:55] <DexterF> zomaar, yes
[19:55] <zomaar> And device I guess
[19:55] <BluesKaj> MPV player FTW on this pc , i don't bother with much else, just an outboard 1TB drive with all the media on it, and an nvidia card that feeds the TV ansd an m-audio spdif out to the receiver
[19:56] <zomaar> So it needs a USB 3 device too right?
[19:56] <DexterF> kodi. took me ages to get it set up this way but now is great.
[19:56] <DexterF> zomaar, hmm, yes. what you want is a repeater I geuss
[19:56] <zomaar> Yeah
[19:56] <BluesKaj> kodi works well, it's just too imposing
[19:56] <zomaar> That is easier than testing new hubs
[19:56] <Ezriilc> Kodi is what I plan to use.
[19:56] <zomaar> But a repeater after just 2m is a bit weird
[19:56] <DexterF> NFS question: I automount an nfs v4 server with systemd via fstab, now that server was not reachable and then came on again.
[19:57] <alkisg> DouglasK: your xorg appears problematic, maybe x2go or thin client or whatever, use x11vnc -noshm -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[19:57] <DexterF> but I cannot access the share anymore. what's the best method to get nfs back on track without a reboot?
[19:57] <Ezriilc> I'm not very familiar with KODI, but my user (bro) likes it.
[19:57] <trafaret> hi there
[19:57] <BluesKaj> Ezriilc, kodi's a good choice , there's no doubt
[19:57] <trafaret> I need your help guys
[19:57] <Ezriilc> oh good, thanks
[19:57] <DexterF> 16.04 LTS / http://www.happyassassin.net/2011/05/12/cute-systemd-trick-of-the-day-auto-mounting-remote-shares/
[19:58] <DexterF> trafaret, you need to tell us what with
[19:58] <zomaar> DexterF: Do you mean stale handles?
[19:58] <trafaret> I have installed ubuntu but some feature I can't stand when you have two open terminals session it's hard to use Alt-Tab to switch
[19:58] <DexterF> zomaar, could be, could be nfs mapping, I'm lost. when I "ls" in /mnt it just stalls
[19:58] <trafaret> how to fast switching between terminals
[19:58] <trafaret> ?
[19:58] <zomaar> DexterF: Maybe use "soft" mount option
[19:58] <DexterF> odd enough, when I strace ls it writes it all in the write call
[19:58] <arktvrvs> disable f-keys in terminal options?
[19:58] <DexterF> zomaar, ?
[19:59] <zomaar> NFS does not timeout by default
[19:59] <zomaar> DexterF: NFS has "hard" and "soft" mount options
[19:59] <TJ-> trafaret: use a terminal multiplexer like 'tmux'
[19:59] <zomaar> Default is hard
[19:59] <zomaar> It will never timeout when the connection goes away
[20:00] <zomaar> That's why you have hanging ls to begin with
[20:00] <zomaar> It does this to ensure no data is ever lost
[20:00] <trafaret> TJ-:  thanks for advice :)
[20:03] <zomaar> Weird thing is before I booted Ubuntu 16.04 on this motherboard (m2n-e) I could use a usb2 dvd writer on the hub on that cable on this motherboard
[20:03] <zomaar> After, I can no longer do so in both Windows and Ubuntu
[20:03] <DexterF> zomaar, it üis* possible that the VRM driving that port has deteriorated
[20:03] <DexterF> *is*
[20:03] <zomaar> In fact, I can only still do it on the usb 3 card now
[20:04] <zomaar> But no longer on the hub on the cable
[20:04] <DexterF> or the writer motor deteriorated and draws more power now.
[20:04] <zomaar> No it was a sudden break; after my first boot I was really in trouble
[20:05] <TJ-> zomaar: is the controller driver configured to to power-saving, we sometimes see issues due to that and have to disable it
[20:05] <zomaar> Also if I reboot from Windows the sd card that boots my Linux doesn't work
[20:05] <DexterF> TJ-, but across operating systems?
[20:05] <zomaar> TJ-: I don't know
[20:05] <TJ-> zomaar: that's an ACPI issue
[20:06] <DexterF> zomaar, superweird: ls stalls - "ls | tee" shows me the dir!
[20:06] <zomaar> And when I rebooted from Linux the first couple of times, all kinds of USB devices kept misbehaving in Windows
[20:06] <TJ-> DexterF: depends if there's a cold-boot between OSes or not; with warm boots sometimes the controller power settings can remain
[20:06] <DexterF> I noticed when i strace ls | pastebinit, the pastebin actually contains the folder ls
[20:06]  * DexterF is utterly puzzled
[20:06] <TJ-> zomaar: sounds like you may benefit from: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[20:06] <zomaar> DexterF: Really that's weird (and useful)
[20:07] <TJ-> designbybeck: why? you're feeding stdout to pastebinit :)
[20:07] <DexterF> zomaar, bash -c ls works, too oO
[20:07] <TJ-> ooops
[20:07] <TJ-> DexterF: why? you're feeding stdout to pastebinit :)
[20:07] <DexterF> TJ-, I fed strace to pastebinit
[20:08] <zomaar> That's your script :)
[20:08] <TJ-> DexterF: "strace ls" - ls output on stdout, strace output on stderr
[20:12] <designbybeck>  hmm TJ- don't even remember what that was
[20:12] <TJ-> designbybeck: sorry, I tab-completed to you by mistake
[20:13] <schultza> what is the latest version supported by ubuntu?
[20:13] <schultza> er... of firefox
[20:13] <DexterF> TJ-, ok but what happens when I just ls? it then stalls
[20:14] <DexterF> and why cant I cd to /mnt/server
[20:14] <designbybeck> it happens TJ- ;)
[20:14] <ioria> DexterF, offline ?
[20:14] <TJ-> DexterF: now that I can't tell :)
[20:14] <leftyfb> schultza: the latest version
[20:14] <DexterF> ioria, nope, it was disconnected from the switch for a bit
[20:15] <ioria> offline
[20:15] <schultza> what is the latest version of firefox supported by ubuntu?
[20:15] <DexterF> zomaar, I restarted the nfs kernel server, still no good
[20:15] <leftyfb> schultza: the latest version
[20:15] <schultza> FF 57?
[20:15] <leftyfb> yep
[20:15] <schultza> Ok. I need to reimage my computer.
[20:15] <leftyfb> why is that?
[20:16] <schultza> um... because / is full and is at 100%
[20:16] <schultza> yet, i still have 411 GB available on the drive.
[20:16] <leftyfb> schultza: sounds like a problem we might be able to help solve
[20:17] <ioria> schultza, dh -H  and df -i
[20:17] <schultza> I'm not sure / is on an LVM, hence the reimage.
[20:17] <leftyfb> why not grow the LVM? That's what LVM is for
[20:17] <zomaar_> TJ-: Your script is a bit faulty, it shows the new grub.cfg before running update-grub ;-).
[20:17] <schultza> Don't worry about it. I need to update distros anyways. Got to see the new Unity/Gnome setup anyways.
[20:17] <BluesKaj> autoremove and autoclean usually helps
[20:18] <schultza> leftyfb: again, not sure if it is on an LVM in the first place.
[20:18] <zomaar_> DexterF: Yeah the kernel...
[20:18] <zomaar_> DexterF: I have had the same issues with CIFS and why I don't use autofs anymore
[20:18] <leftyfb> ioria: btw, I feel -h is closer to reality
[20:18] <leftyfb> ioria: it's also a safer bet
[20:18] <schultza> CIFS?
[20:18] <zomaar_> Samba
[20:19] <leftyfb> that's a network filesystem
[20:19] <ioria> schultza, you don't know if you're using lvm or not ???
[20:19] <zomaar_> Just like NFS
[20:19] <ioria> leftyfb, yeah
[20:19] <schultza> I'm just used to SMB (samba) over CIFS. That's why CIFS gave me a question mark.
[20:21] <zomaar_> autofs was a really nice solution
[20:21] <zomaar_> now I am trying to use libpam-mount but it is not so good
[20:22] <zomaar_> I would regularly have autofs that didn't work until I mounted the same (!) share on a different tree manually
[20:23] <DexterF> zomaar_, cock, I'll reboot...
[20:23] <ioria> finally
[20:24] <schultza> I have an HP computer, does the 17.10 image still have bios issues with HP?
[20:24] <ioria> schultza, why you think that ?
[20:24] <schultza> Known issues on the download page.
[20:24] <ioria> schultza, lenovo
[20:25] <DexterF> zomaar_, and works again. shit, would have loved to solve that one
[20:25] <schultza> Also, is there a way to convert a full Unity to the Unity + Gnome interface in 17.10?
[20:25] <Ezriilc> Greets again, ya'all.
[20:26] <ioria> schultza, please, state your issue
[20:26] <Ezriilc> Another noob question:  Does the LTS .iso file support booting from a USB device?  I'm using Win32DiskImager to "burn" it.
[20:26] <ioria> Ezriilc, try rufus
[20:27] <schultza> I'm probably going to install the 16.04 LTS release, but would like to experience the new Unity interface on Gnome UI from the 17.10 release. Is that possible?
[20:27] <Ezriilc> um... thanks, but won't Win32DiskImager do the trick?
[20:27] <ioria> Ezriilc, there is no new unity 'interface'
[20:27] <Ezriilc> hehe, wrong person.
[20:27] <schultza> ioria: that was suppose to be directed to me.
[20:27] <schultza> :)
[20:27] <schultza> thought they had a unity look in gnome?
[20:27] <ioria> schultza, sy, yes
[20:28] <ioria> Ezriilc, go with rufus, no surprise when booting
[20:28] <JustAPerson> Is there anyway to full screen a video (like youtube) to less than the whole monitor? I'm using a large 4K TV as a 4x1080p monitor setup
[20:29] <Ezriilc> I remember back in the day (random time ago), Win32diskImager would ask what type of bootable thingy I was creating, and let me choose the OS, such as Ubuntu or ...
[20:29] <jimb_> Control+Alt+1 (1 from the numpad)
[20:29] <jimb_> JustAPerson: Is that what you meant, or also remove the browser bits?
[20:29] <GivenToCode> this might be stupid. I build a custom package and renamed the version (1.0-local instead of just 1.0) and now when i try to install something that depends on this package it complains because it wants 1.0 and not 1.0-local
[20:30] <GivenToCode> is there anyway to rename the package so that apt thinks it has 1.0?
[20:31] <akik> my google search result links become light blue recently. anybody see this too?
[20:31] <akik> in firefox
[20:31] <ioria> GivenToCode, i'am not good at packaging, but debian has its strictly rules
[20:31] <nacc> GivenToCode: build it again with the corret version?
[20:32] <JustAPerson> jimb_: wait that's perfect. Might have to figure out an easier key combo
[20:32] <nacc> GivenToCode: allthough it's bad practice to 'fake' a version like that
[20:32] <ioria> akik, yeah
[20:32] <jimb_> JustAPerson... Check out the various numpad combos. I use them quit a bit.
[20:32] <ioria> akik, it goes away: i clean cache and restart
[20:33] <akik> ioria: which cache?
[20:33] <ioria> akik, firefox , right ?
[20:33] <akik> ioria: yes
[20:33] <GivenToCode> nacc, yes I was hoping to avoid having to do that
[20:33] <ioria> akik, firefox , clean it
[20:33] <ioria> akik, history, i mean
[20:33] <akik> ioria: what do you mean?
[20:34] <ioria> akik, history - clean recent history
[20:35] <akik> ioria: didn't help. i'll try erasing the cached web content
[20:35] <ioria> akik, select all the item in 'clean history'
[20:35] <ioria> *s
[20:37] <V7> Hey all :)
[20:37] <V7> Getting these errors: https://hastebin.com/akezagohad.vbs
[20:37] <nacc> GivenToCode: not sure why? you've already chosen to go down the path of maintenance
[20:37] <V7> When upgrading
[20:38] <akik> ioria: i removed cookies and site preferences and now it's back to dark blue. thanks :)
[20:38] <ioria> akik, good job
[20:38] <bipul> How to change the runlevel permanently in ubuntu?
[20:39] <nacc> V7: did you look at either output from line 2?
[20:39] <ioria> that's a very good idea
[20:40] <V7> Yes nacc
[20:40] <V7> It says the same as in this output
[20:40] <V7> ● i8kmon.service - LSB: Dell fan/cpu-temperature monitor ...
[20:40] <nacc> V7: you can run /etc/init.d/i8kmon manually, maybe with bash -x to see what's happening
[20:43] <V7> nacc: https://hastebin.com/gonuzeqese.bash
[20:43] <V7> As you see nothing
[20:43] <V7> strange
[20:43] <V7> The main reason: this's not dell
[20:43] <nacc> V7: well ...
[20:44] <nacc> V7: i'm assuming you know the basics
[20:44] <nacc> V7: you obviously need to pass 'start'
[20:44] <nacc> V7: also why are you installing a Dell specific package on a non-Dell system?
[20:44] <V7> Is it possible to remove this package ?
[20:44] <V7> It somehow isntalled
[20:45] <nacc> V7: i'm not sure what you're asking?
[20:45] <nacc> V7: you can remove any package
[20:46] <ioria> V7, check your /var/log/apt/history.log
[20:47] <xs2> hi, why doesn't show desktop 'button' on xfce panel doesn't work when running xmonad?
[20:47] <V7> Thank you nacc and iter
[20:47] <V7> ioria: *
[20:48] <V7> Sorry iter
[20:48] <xs2> s/doesn't//
[20:48] <xs2> I click it it just stays pressed
[20:53] <bipul> How to change the runlevel permanently in ubuntu?
[20:53] <Bashing-om> bipul: What is your end goal and what release are you running ?
[20:56] <oerheks> heh, crossposting in ##linux
[20:58] <bipul> I am using 16.04 LTS, and i want to switch into runlevel 3 permanently.And after that take a Full backup of my system. Bashing-om
[20:59] <oerheks> higher runlevel just makes services available to users, it makes no sense to do that for backup. in contrary, you would need lower runlevel to do so.
[21:00] <Bashing-om> bipul: 3 runlevel3.target, "multi-user.target" as a grub boot parameter .
[21:00] <bipul> Bashing-om, Any documentation?
[21:01] <Bashing-om> bipul: ^^ as oerheks advises "you" will have to manage what servixes are started .
[21:01] <bipul> ok.
[21:01] <oerheks> man systemd.special https://askubuntu.com/a/788465
[21:02] <TJ-> bipul: "man runlevel" explains how runlevels are obsolete and systemd's compatibilty layer
[21:05] <zomaar_> bipul: Did you upgrade all the way to 16.04?
[21:05] <bipul> oerheks, For example? which runlevel you use ?
[21:05] <bipul> zomaar_, Yes.
[21:06] <zomaar_> bipul So you want to go to single user runlevel?
[21:06] <bipul> I guess single user mode will be 1. No 3 and 5
[21:06] <oerheks> bipul, why do you ask ?? singe user is runlevel 1....
[21:06] <zomaar_> bipul: There is only still "rescue" runlevel if you want that
[21:06] <bipul> 3 and 5 runlevel i would like to switch permanently.
[21:07] <tatertots> lol
[21:07] <zomaar_> bipul: Check out systemctl --help, down below
[21:07] <bipul> ok.
[21:08] <zomaar_> default mode is either multi-user or graphical, you can select that if you want
[21:08] <zomaar_> ie. you can easily choose to make the default target something else
[21:09] <JustAPerson> jimb_: so I tried that in the unity window manager but restarted into unity (with xorg) and now the ctrl-alt-kp_1 doesn't seem to work. Any ideas?
[21:09] <bipul> oerheks, just want to assure my self, whether i am correct or wrong.
[21:09] <piranah> OK I must be missing something. Running Ubuntu 16.04 I have installed enlightenment but at the login screen there is no option to choose window manager ? All the screen shots online show a lil icon to click on mut its just not there ?
[21:09] <bipul> ok Thank you Bashing-om oerheks and zomaar_
[21:10] <zomaar_> bipul: Check also systemctl set-default
[21:10] <bipul> ok
[21:10] <piranah> Tried rebooting etc but the icon to select window manager just does not show up. Anyone else run into this or know howto fix it ?
[21:11] <akik> piranah: it's probably missing the .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions
[21:11] <bipul> It says Too few arguments
[21:11] <piranah> akik, nope its there first thing I checked.
[21:11] <zomaar_> bipul: So there is multi-user/graphical (runlevel 5), rescue (1), and that's about it
[21:11] <zomaar_> bipul: systemctl set-default rescue.target
[21:12] <zomaar_> bipul: or systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[21:12] <piranah> ubuntu.desktop and enlightenment.desktop both in that dir
[21:13] <bipul> ok
[21:13] <akik> piranah: do you see any errors in "journalctl -u sddm" ?
[21:13] <bipul> Thank you zomaar_
[21:13] <zomaar_> bipul: see man bootup
[21:13] <piranah> akik have not looked at that yet let me try :)
[21:14] <piranah> journalctl -u sddm shows -- No entries --
[21:14] <akik> piranah: or is it lightdm? journalctl -u lightdm
[21:15] <piranah> OK that has a pile of erros
[21:15] <piranah> all of them look like PAM adding faulty module: pam_kwallet.so or sim
[21:20] <piranah> akik https://pastebin.com/v4XRWszF
[21:22] <akik> piranah: is the desktop environment selector empty or is it just the button is missing?
[21:22] <piranah> button is missing
[21:24] <lordcirth_work> So, there are tons of backup tools out there.  We are currently using rdiff-backup, but at 1M files and several terabytes, it now takes over a week to run a weekly backup :P  Anyone know good tools that can handle large scales? What about Borg?
[21:25] <leftyfb> run your weekly against your delta's (daily?). Not against a week ago
[21:26] <TJ-> piranah: what does this report? "grep -rn 'show-indicators' /etc/lightdm/ "
[21:26] <akik> piranah: did you check that the enlightenment desktop file has the correct startup command? i saw something that if you only have one desktop environment, it wouldn't show up, or if the session startup file is faulty
[21:27] <lordcirth_work> leftyfb, but then we have to create daily deltas, I don't see how that's faster
[21:27] <TJ-> piranah: it should include "~session"
[21:28] <raidghost> leftyfb: How do i force ubuntu to not randomly change devicenumber for ethernet card ?
[21:29] <piranah> hrmm TJ- im getting no results when I run that command.
[21:29] <TJ-> piranah: OK, should be using the defaults then
[21:29] <piranah> akik, I just followed the guide for installing enlightenment verbatim :)
[21:30] <akik> piranah: i'm using sddm so i don't have lightdm configs here (kubuntu)
[21:30] <oerheks> raidghost, it should no do that randomly, there has a recent change from eth0/1 to enp2s0 or so
[21:30] <raidghost> oerheks: It was enp03s0 and now it has changed to enp12s0
[21:31] <raidghost> So i would like it to STOP changing. cause have to add new interface name in interfaces
[21:31] <oerheks> raidghost, on the same system ??
[21:31] <raidghost> Yes
[21:31] <TJ-> piranah: it could be the system is missing icon themes
[21:32] <piranah> hrmm
[21:33] <oerheks> raidghost, never seen that before..
[21:33] <raidghost> oerheks: i was close to reinstall before i figured out why i didnt catch up with ping on that system
[21:34] <raidghost> did check with lshw -C Network and then i figured out that the card had changed name
[21:34] <oerheks> raidghost, is it a pluggable device?
[21:34] <leftyfb> raidghost: udev rules
[21:35] <leftyfb> lordcirth_work: if you backup every night, the weekly will be a LOT shorter
[21:35] <lordcirth_work> leftyfb, If we backup every night, it will take several days to run each night's backup.  That's the problem.
[21:35] <raidghost> oerheks: not pluggable, its on the mainboard
[21:36] <raidghost> leftyfb: no such command, udev rules
[21:36] <gordonjcp> lordcirth_work: incremental backups, maybe?
[21:36] <leftyfb> lordcirth_work: ok, then every other day
[21:36] <lordcirth_work> gordonjcp, these are incremental
[21:36] <gordonjcp> lordcirth_work: holy hell
[21:36] <gordonjcp> lordcirth_work: what are you doing that's generating 1TB of diffs every day?
[21:36] <piranah> well I give up for now lol
[21:37] <leftyfb> raidghost: https://askubuntu.com/questions/767786/changing-network-interfaces-name-ubuntu-16-04
[21:37] <akik> piranah: maybe reinstall lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[21:37] <piranah> akik, ya I think I might give that a try
[21:38] <lordcirth_work> gordonjcp, it's not, it just takes ages to diff two ~25TB datasets over the network.  Probably latency-bound.  This is why I want a better backup tool.
[21:38] <piranah> This is a clean install of ubuntu worse case i'll just try bohdi linux ( ubuntu based ) as its packaged with enlightenment as the default
[21:38] <leftyfb> lordcirth_work: backup smaller portions asynchronously
[21:40] <lordcirth_work> leftyfb, hmm, maybe.
[21:43] <zomaar_> raidghost: The address will change if you insert a new device on the motherboard
[21:43] <zomaar_> raidghost: You can disable predictablenetworkinterfacenames with a variety of ways
[21:43] <leftyfb> zomaar_: there are several options to prevent it. One of which I've already given to try
[21:44] <raidghost> zomaar_: So if example adding two tvtunercard pci-e
[21:44] <raidghost> Then it changes?
[21:44] <whitebeast> I cannot login to my system. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? Perferably like your talking to a 5 year old
[21:44] <zomaar_> raidghost: Yes
[21:44] <leftyfb> raidghost: did you look at the link I gave you?
[21:44] <zomaar_> leftyfb: What do you mean, udev?
[21:44] <raidghost> leftyfb: Just back from food eating, gonna check the link
[21:44] <leftyfb> there are udev rules you can write to force a name per mac address or product number
[21:45] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: Well, what do you get to in the attempt to boot ? What happens ?
[21:46] <N0X1A04E> Sup guys, I need ya'all to give me a benchmark...how much memory does your system use if you have nothing besides a youtube video playing in firefox, and a couple terminal windows open?
[21:46] <N0X1A04E> Mine is using an abnormal amount (I think), and I'm frankly getting worried
[21:47] <leftyfb> N0X1A04E: not only will those "benchmarks" be wildly different, that's not the sort of thing you'll get answers to here.
[21:47] <zomaar_> raidghost: This will also easily disable interface renaming
[21:47] <whitebeast> Boot works just fine. It gets all the way up to asking for my password works normal (from what i can see) i type in my pass, the screen goes black and asks me again
[21:47] <zomaar_> raidghost: echo -e "[Link]\nNamePolicy=kernel" | sudo tee /etc/systemd/network/10-disable-renaming.link && sudo update-initramfs -u
[21:49] <lordcirth_work> N0X1A04E, are you sure you're not seeing cache?  free -m or htop will give good numbers
[21:49] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: At this login screen key combo crl+alt+F2 . Can you log into the system from this console ? IF so we see what is not going on .
[21:49] <N0X1A04E> htop
[21:49] <N0X1A04E> wrong chat
[21:50] <whitebeast> Bashing : yes i can
[21:50] <whitebeast> I can login that way yes.. Not sure what that means
[21:50] <N0X1A04E> lordcirth_work: where is the most accurate way to determine meomry usage? screenfetch, free and htop are all giving me drasitcally different results
[21:51] <N0X1A04E> lordcirth_work: what*
[21:51] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: Then we want next to know if "you" are authorized to access your desk top . Pastebin ' ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ' .
[21:52] <lordcirth_work> N0X1A04E, https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[21:54] <whitebeast> Ls-al or lsal or lsat ?? Its not going through.. Just says command not found
[21:54] <konimex> ls -al
[21:55] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: ls space -al space .ICEauthority space .Xauthority in this F2 TTY .
[21:56] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: those be lower case Ells .
[21:56] <gordonjcp> lordcirth_work: quite honestly you're starting to get into ZFS territory there
[21:56] <gordonjcp> lordcirth_work: maybe even looking at the sort of stuff they do clustering FSes with
[21:57] <lordcirth_work> gordonjcp, this is actually already a CephFS cluster running on top of ZFS, lol
[21:57] <gordonjcp> lordcirth_work: right
[21:58] <whitebeast> -rw--- 1 name name 36750 jan 10th 10:46 .iceauthority......................-rw-- 1 name name 59 jan 11 15:40 .xauthority.
[21:58] <whitebeast> Im paraphrasing name name
[21:59] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: where "name" is the userID of the logged in account ?
[21:59] <whitebeast> Correct
[22:01] <beaver> https://www.google.fr/search?source=hp&ei=k95XWuulB4uesAG4lojwAQ&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fold-releases.ubuntu.com%2Fubuntu%2F+yakkety&oq=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fold-releases.ubuntu.com%2Fubuntu%2F+yakkety&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1053.4861.0.5<IP_ADDRESS>.<IP_ADDRESS>2.1193.3-2j1.3.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..11.2.814...0.0.5W0Rf4L5hcg (yakkety is EOL :s)
[22:01] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: K.. good .. then next is if a GUI driver is loaded . ' sudo lshw -C display | nc termbin.com 9999 ' . Pass the resulting URL back here so we see the status of the driver .
[22:02] <beaver> I can not find the yakkety distribution on the site http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[22:03] <beaver> it's normal ?
[22:05] <whitebeast> As im familiar with termbin.. Im using my phone to speak with you while im working on the computer
[22:06] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: :) At your pace .
[22:06] <funabashi> 1955/systemd-resolv what kind of service is that?
[22:08] <beaver> it's the only EOL version of ubuntu that I can not find
[22:09] <nacc> beaver: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[22:09] <whitebeast> Ok... What im seeing is it saying. 'Display unclaimed' and it shows information on my graphics card
[22:09] <nacc> beaver: oh you mean the repos?
[22:10] <xu> any news on ubuntu touch?
[22:10] <nacc> xu: what kind of news?
[22:10] <beaver> nacc: doh, ok, i was the wrong path /ubuntu =! /releases, thank you
[22:10] <TheSov> when i try to install ubuntu on my system, asus ROG hero 3, I get a neauvous error on screen, and then i hear the X bongo's but theres no gui, just the error.
[22:10] <nacc> beaver: /ubuntu would be the repositories, which i agree are not there
[22:11] <xu> i mean if is possible to begin to use it ...
[22:11] <xu> non only try it
[22:11] <beaver> ok nacc
[22:11] <nacc> !touch | xu: afaik, it's sort of done, but you can look there
[22:13] <xu> well i know is discontinued ...canonical...
[22:14] <whitebeast> Bash.. Is that my grphics card going out or? I did just upgrade to a new one a couple weeks back
[22:14] <xu> hope to be able to install it on all my phones in the future
[22:16] <nacc> xu: you'd need to look at ubports and see thes tatus
[22:17] <nacc> xu: i think your hope is probably a littel far-fetched
[22:17] <TheSov> Does anyone know why I wouldnt be able to see the gui when i try to run the livecd?
[22:17] <funabashi> ens3 why interfaces doesnt call ethX anymore? :P lame
[22:18] <nacc> funabashi: you're about 2+ years too late to complain about it. https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[22:18] <nacc> funabashi: and the name shouldn't matter in general
[22:18] <xu> ok nacc
[22:18] <TheSov> all i can see on screen is a neauvous error but i hear the Xwindows bongos
[22:19] <Bashing-om> !nick | whitebeast
[22:20] <whitebeast> ? I didnt know it was changing???? What?
[22:20] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: I bounce ariund a lot, if you do not nick " Bashing-om " I will not see there is a response . GFor now I do need to see that lshw output to know where to go next .
[22:21] <whitebeast> I am registerd
[22:21] <nacc> !tab | whitebeast: maybe more relevant
[22:24] <Bashing-om> nacc: :)
[22:38] <timeless> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown -- how often does this get updated? one of my systems just got a package for `linux-hwe` (not `linux-hwe-edge`)  which appears to have the fix
[22:42] <Ben64> timeless: the usn link is probably more updated
[22:42] <g105b> Hi guys! I'm running sshd and when a connection comes in I get the following messages before sshd dies: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26368620/
[22:42] <timeless> please excuse my ignorance, which one is that? (the page i linked to has dozens of links w/ usn...)
[22:42] <timeless> g105b: line 15 No supported key exchange algorithms
[22:43] <timeless> is your remote server (insecure, broken) ssh1?
[22:43] <Ben64> timeless: well, all of them, also the main usn.ubuntu.com/usn
[22:44] <g105b> timeless: how can I tell? It's just Ubuntu 16.04
[22:44] <timeless> https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-4/ <- Unfortunately, that update introduced a regression where a few systems failed to boot successfully. This update fixes the problem.
[22:44] <timeless> g105b: `echo | nc remote-host 22`
[22:46] <Romalio> hi
[22:46] <Romalio> my google chrome crashes _every_ time I open it
[22:46] <timeless> Ben64: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-2/ says  "USN-3522-2: Linux (Xenial HWE) vulnerability" ... "A security issue affects these releases of Ubuntu and its derivatives:" "Ubuntu 14.04 LTS"
[22:46] <g105b> timeless: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.2p2 Ubuntu-4ubuntu2.2 Protocol mismatch.
[22:46] <Romalio> but only since today
[22:46] <timeless> is "xenial" considered a derivative of 14.04 lts?
[22:47] <Ben64> 14.04 is trusty, so no
[22:47] <timeless> Ben64: so just someone who failed to search+replace?
[22:47] <nacc> timeless: did you read that link?
[22:47] <nacc> timeless: it's referring to a package *for* 14.04
[22:47] <nacc> timeless: perhaps you don't know what linux-lts-xenial is?
[22:51] <Romalio> https://dpaste.de/NW9M/raw
[22:51] <timeless> g105b: offhand, your keys are probably not readable by your user
[22:51] <Romalio> ^ google crashes - may I please ask for help?
[22:51] <Romalio> I meant, google chrome
[22:51] <timeless> g105b: https://serverfault.com/questions/158151/sshd-shuts-down-with-no-supported-key-exchange-algorithms-error has an example of someone hitting your error
[22:51] <timeless> are you trying to run sshd as a non root user or w/ a secondary config in a different place?
[22:51] <timeless> anyway, personally, i'd use `strace -s2048 -ff ...` on both the server and client
[22:51] <timeless> typically these things stick out w/ ENOENT or EACCES shortly before the failure
[22:51] <timeless> Ben64: anyway, thanks for the answers
[22:51]  * timeless wishes everyone luck
[22:51] <g105b> timeless: I'm not sure what a host key is :/
[22:52] <timeless> g105b: in most forms of two party cryptography, both parties have private keys
[22:52] <timeless> they publish public keys for their peers to know
[22:52] <g105b> timeless: does the server always have to have a key?
[22:52] <timeless> your server calls itself `host`
[22:52] <timeless> yes
[22:53] <timeless> when the client connects to the server, the server sends its public key which the client then uses as part of its encryption process as it talks to the server
[22:53] <g105b> Whenever I've installed openssh server before, I've just connected straight to it. Now the problem is that there are no /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key, it seems.
[22:53] <timeless> ssh-keygen is your friend
[22:53] <timeless> or something
[22:54] <g105b> timeless: ah yes I just found that I had to run it with -A for first setup.
[22:54] <g105b> New to me, but it works now. Thanks for helping me debug.
[22:54] <timeless> glad to be of service
[22:55]  * timeless really leaves
[22:58] <Ezriilc> I just installed the latest LTS plus KODI from the Ubuntu Store on an old 2007 HP doorstop, and the entire process was absolutely flawless, as expected.  Once again, Ubuntu FTW!
[22:59]  * g105b pops a beer cap in celebration
[23:03] <TheSov> can someone help me figure out why i cant use ubuntu on my pc? every time i have the install media inside it boots up shows me a neauvous error and then my sound card plays the bongos sound from X but i see only the error on screen
[23:03] <TheSov> I have a gtx970 and an asus rog hero 3
[23:03] <xz> hi there I have Ubuntu 12.04.5 that I would love to upgrade to 16.04. However somebody messed up a python install on it, e.g. /usr/bin/python doesn't exist. What can I do to fix python first before I move onto updating OS?
[23:04] <nacc> xz: are you paying for ESM?
[23:04] <nacc> xz: if not, you're not supported, and have to do an EOL upgrade anyways, might as well reinstall, tbh
[23:05] <nacc> xz: if you are, then ... well, you have support from canonical
[23:05] <xz> nacc is ESM some sort of paid support?
[23:05] <nacc> xz: yes
[23:05] <xz> nacc nope, we don't have it
[23:05] <xz> nacc the problem with reinstalling it is that the machine is configured for many things already, so it will come costly to start from scratch
[23:05] <nacc> xz: ok, then unsupported. you can try and reinstall python or whatever
[23:05] <nacc> xz: the likelihood of a 12.04->16.04 upgrade going smooothly, if you've done stuff like remove python, seems low
[23:06] <xz> nacc can python2.7 be uninstalled on Ubuntu (any version)
[23:06] <nacc> xz: i mean, you *can* do whatever you want as root. Should it be, no?
[23:06] <nacc> rather, Should it be? no.
[23:07] <xz> nacc yes, but apt-get itself might be using python 2.7
[23:08] <nacc> xz: apt-get doesn't use python, afaik.
[23:08] <nacc> xz: and if it did, and it needed python2.7, then when you removed python2.7 (which you haven't said you did, you said the binary wasn't there), then it would have removed apt-get
[23:12] <xz> nacc the problem is person who messed up was moving binaries between /usr/bin and /bin
[23:12] <xz> apt-get still works
[23:12] <xz> ppl on the internet suggest doing apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[23:12] <xz> I think it's a server version though, is there matching package for ubuntu-server?
[23:15] <xz> ubuntu-standard maybe? so I could try apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-standard
[23:16] <martinh_> Hi! The re-release of 17.10 was announced for today, but nothing has happened. Does anybody know something about it? I'd like to set up some laptops this evening...
[23:22] <acheronuk> martinh_: a member of the release team said earlier in there channel that it would likely be out late afternoon their time (UTC-7 I think(, so that possibly puts it in the next 3-4 hrs
[23:23] <martinh_> ok, I'm in UTC+1 ;-) Thanks!
[23:24] <nacc> xz: there is ... no reason that an admin should be moving binaries between usr and usr/bin
[23:25] <nacc> xz: 1) have you revoked their admin privs?
[23:25] <nacc> xz: err /usr/bin and /bin
[23:25] <nacc> xz: you can probably reinstall the python package. but who knows what else this person broke.
[23:25] <xz> nacc I'm in a joke project
[23:25] <nacc> xz: honestly, safest route is backups and reinstall
[23:26] <xz> nacc I would want to download python that can be installed with dpkg, then apt-get remove python and install the one with dpkg
[23:26] <nacc> xz: otherwise you'd have to do an eol upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 first anyways -- so timewise also faster, honestly (since you should do backups before any release upgrade anyways)
[23:26] <xz> nacc than apt-get update everything and update OS
[23:26] <nacc> xz: ... why?
[23:26] <nacc> xz: sorry, I don't think I can help you
[23:26] <xz> nacc ok, thanks for your time
[23:30] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | TheSov Try this :
[23:32] <TheSov> Bashing-om, After i install will i still need that?
[23:35] <sw0rdy> hey guys I didn't install the 3rd party multimedia (codec and stuff) packages during format, how do I install them now, anyone know a tutorial or so
[23:37] <sw0rdy> I only thought of it now because I need flash, is installing flashplugin-installer just enough?
[23:38] <skiboy> sw0rdy: do you just need to play swf files, or do you need them to run in the browser?
[23:38] <sw0rdy> I need to play video content on firefox/chromium
[23:38] <sw0rdy> skiboy: ^
[23:38] <skiboy> sw0rdy: flashplugin-installer s what you need then
[23:39] <Bashing-om> TheSov: Once instaled then install the nvidia proprietary driver .
[23:39] <partitionmess> i've got myself into a bit of a partition mess here. I'm dual booting windows 10 with ubuntu 17.10. The ubuntu partition won't boot so I want to remove it but I'm not sure how to identify which partition to delete. Anyone able to help me figure out which partitions are needed by windows and which are not?
[23:39] <sw0rdy> I tried to install html5 h.264 but I read on askbuntu that it actually uses more cpu power than flash (to my surprise because I wanted it instead of flash thinking it uses LESS cpu power)
[23:39] <TheSov> so long story short i have a shitty video card eh? looks like im gonna be buying vega sooner than i though
[23:40] <sw0rdy> skiboy: sorry again^
[23:40] <skiboy> sw0rdy: h.264 support in browsers should be come by default
[23:40] <sw0rdy> I see.
[23:41] <Bashing-om> TheSov: Not at all . just that nouveau can not support that card. where as the proprietary driver does .
[23:41] <TheSov> last question, how do I do the nomodeset
[23:42] <skiboy> sw0rdy: h.264 is a W3C standard for some baffling reason
[23:42] <skiboy> sw0rdy: so is h.265, which should be phased out as soon as people adopt AV1
[23:43] <Bashing-om> TheSov: U also ran into that issue on a new generation nvidia card in 14.04 where the kernel could not match the card to a driver .
[23:43] <Bashing-om> U/I*
[23:43] <skiboy> sw0rdy: Unsurprisingly, people don't like it when they tell you that you can use their codec for free for a while, and will then spring surprise license fees on them
[23:44] <skiboy> sw0rdy: Hence, AV1
[23:44] <partitionmess> https://ibb.co/dBpTHR
[23:45] <sw0rdy> skiboy: was it W3C that did that?
[23:45] <skiboy> sw0rdy: No, that's MPEG-LA
[23:45] <partitionmess> ^ screen shot of the current partitions on my machine
[23:46] <skiboy> sw0rdy: It's a patent pool dedicated to milking as much money from people as possible, for something that should be free in the first place
[23:46] <Guiri> I made a bad sshd_config change and did a try-restart.  I think I'm locked out of my Ubuntu box on AWS.  I'm not sure what to do
[23:47] <sw0rdy> skiboy: can HEVC come into play here?
[23:48] <Bashing-om> partitionmess: To Windows, there is no other operating system in the world. does not recognize a linuz paeririon. Biit a live ubuntu usb to a terminal and exexute ' sudo parted -l ' . you will see the ubuntu partition(s) - ext4 - .
[23:49] <skiboy> sw0rdy: The only way we got h.265 support in Firefox is through the plugin made by Cisco.  They paid the license fees, and we can view the source code and use the program under the condition that we don't change the code, because we would have to pay license fees then
[23:49] <Bashing-om> partition Boot a live *
[23:49] <skiboy> sw0rdy: HEVC is h.265
[23:50] <partitionmess> ok i'll give that a try, thanks
[23:50] <skiboy> sw0rdy: And AV1 has been shown to be superior.  It will be completely open, and h.265 will fade into irrelevance.
[23:51] <Bashing-om> partitionmess: If ya get stuck. we are here to help .
[23:54] <TheSov> ok im gonna try install this now
[23:54] <TheSov> how do i make command changes
[23:55] <skiboy> sw0rdy: Though h.264 should be easy to decode.  I don't see why flash would be needed
[23:56] <michael2> hi, can anyone please point me to documentation which explains how the hashing process is used with dpkg and apt?
[23:56] <skiboy> sw0rdy: Even if it wasn't, I would rather have the extra CPU cycles than a huge security risk
[23:57] <michael2> i.e. does the developer hash the source? then add that to the packages entry in the package.gz for that pocket? etc
[23:57] <Bashing-om> TheSov: Sorry. context of " how do i make command changes " ??
[23:58] <skiboy> sw0rdy: Firefox should be using VA-API or VDPAU for video decoding