[00:48] <Xunubi> Hi, anyone alive? :) Just migrated over from ubuntu, usually my NVIDIA proprietary driver is already enabled or in place in the "additional drivers" in system menu, but nothing is showing up in XFCE for this
[00:49] <Xunubi> "additional drivers" typo, I mean Hardware Drivers, in system menu.
[00:49] <well_laid_lawn> tried updating the package list?
[00:49] <Xunubi> Yeah I did full update from update manager
[00:50] <Xunubi> I'm running 10.04-2 LTS if that helps narrow down the issue?
[00:50] <well_laid_lawn> !nvidia
[00:51] <Xunubi> Thanks :)
[00:51] <well_laid_lawn> I know nothing about nvidia cards...
[00:55] <Xunubi> It's a GTS 450, ubuntu / kubuntu find them and activate the driver automatically, and the kernal should be the same I'm guessing? so not quite sure of the issue :)
[00:57] <Xunubi> Oh, is there perhaps a repository I need to add/enable ? I just installed this system a few minutes ago so I've made no "typical modifications"
[01:04] <Xunubi> This is very odd, lots of things I usually find in Synaptic aren't comming up, like xubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:14] <well_laid_lawn> try a different mirror then
[01:14] <well_laid_lawn> !mirror
[03:54] <jrmy> ok so mp3blaster can't find my audio device how do I select a default device?"
[03:54] <jrmy> not with mp3blaster but with my audio driver
[03:55] <jrmy> I normally have alot of control options I only need the first set
[03:55] <jrmy> it's like its detecting 5 different devices
[03:55] <jrmy> but only the first one works
[03:56] <jrmy> idk maybe I have to try another teminal based audio player
[03:57] <jrmy> anyways need to go to bed..I'll ask tomorrow
[03:57] <jrmy> 5/quit
[06:27] <Fudge> oops
[08:19] <raju> i am not getting sound in my system , which is installed xubuntu 11.10
[08:19] <raju> can any one help me with this
[08:22] <Myrtti> have you checked with alsamixer that the volume is ok?
[08:23] <Sysi> has it worked with stable xubuntu version?
[08:24] <raju> Myrtti,  it is maximum
[08:25] <raju> Sysi,  to attempt a call i've placed in mute and re-enabled from that instant i am not getting sound
[08:42] <incorrect> in the bottom right of the window manager there is always a tab that covers up part of the app, can this be removed?
[09:11] <well_laid_lawn> I'm guessing that's the grip to stretch the window out with the mouse so it'd be a theme issue. try a completely different theme and see if it changes incorrect
[09:12] <incorrect> gtk theme or window manager?
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> it won't be the gtk theme
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> xfwm theme
[09:14] <well_laid_lawn> xfwm4 theme
[09:14] <well_laid_lawn> I should say
[09:14] <incorrect> all the themes seem to have them
[09:14] <well_laid_lawn> picture please
[09:15] <incorrect> one sec
[09:15] <well_laid_lawn> I did say I was guessing it was the grip
[09:15] <well_laid_lawn> but all themes will have them
[09:15] <incorrect> just doing a screen grab
[09:15] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[09:16] <well_laid_lawn> big ears
[09:16] <well_laid_lawn> :)
[09:16] <incorrect> :D
[09:17] <incorrect> http://picpaste.com/thegrip-DUo8Gasi.png
[09:17] <Sysi> it's in gtk theme actually
[09:18] <Sysi> you can find theme without it or do some ~/.gtkrc hack
[09:18] <well_laid_lawn> o
[09:18] <incorrect> i thought it might be, as it changed with the gtk theme
[09:19] <well_laid_lawn> I do believe I've never seen that in any other wm then xfce
[09:19] <incorrect> i think it is because i went from ubuntu to xubuntu
[09:19] <well_laid_lawn> it's the xfwm theme I'm sure
[09:20] <incorrect> brb, i think i need to log back in
[09:24] <Sysi> well_laid_lawn: I know it's in gtk theme and that you can get rid of it with a hack with file I mentioned, you can try installing openbox and running openbox --replace
[09:25] <well_laid_lawn> I don't have that cropping up in any of my myriad of gtk themes here on my lightweight arch install
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> I've only seen it in xfce
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> but I haven't seen everything...
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> yet
[09:27] <Sysi> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/disable-the-resize-grip-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[09:27] <incorrect> thanks guys! i can't express how much that thing was irritating me
[09:27] <well_laid_lawn> what was the fix?
[09:27] <incorrect> thanks Sysi i used that
[09:27] <TheSheep> ooh, me too!
[09:28] <incorrect> whose ding bat idea was it to get a random widget to be drawn over the top of all apps?
[09:29] <TheSheep> incorrect: unity does things like that
[09:30] <incorrect> yes i noticed, i don't understand a lot of the choices made with unity
[09:30] <knome> the idea was good, but the implementation not so good. we tried to make the grip less obtrusive, but gtk didn't allow
[09:30] <knome> (in xubuntu)
[09:30] <incorrect> i really like xubuntu, once you enable the gnome session to get a few more features back, its great
[09:31] <knome> hmm? once you use gnome in xubuntu? doesn't that mean you are using ubuntu anyway?
[09:31] <incorrect> gone are the days when my desktop was just starting sawfish
[09:31] <incorrect> knome, there is an option to start kde/gnome session in the autostart
[09:32] <incorrect> it brings back things like pressing alt+ctrl+l to lock the desktop
[09:32] <incorrect> and the cute ssh-agent interface
[09:32] <knome> yeah. if you choose the gnome session, you are using ubuntu.
[09:32] <incorrect> not at login
[09:33] <well_laid_lawn> the option in the window manager settings
[09:33] <knome> i don't understand, but what ever.
[09:33] <incorrect> look in settings manager, session and startup, and under advanced
[09:34] <Sysi> screen lock should work without it too
[09:34] <incorrect> maybe because i didn't do a straight install of xubuntu
[09:34] <incorrect> i had to tick the launch gnome services on startup
[09:35] <knome> right, enabling gnome *services*, not session
[09:35] <knome> should have said that in the first place
[09:35] <incorrect> oh my mistake
[09:35] <knome> :)
[09:35] <incorrect> sorry service, session, huff
[09:35] <incorrect> i was doing it from memory which often is entirely accurate
[09:47] <jarnos> Why does Building data structures take so much time in Update Manager?
[09:49] <jarnos> update-apt-xapian-index and Xorg take both more than 40% CPU
[09:51] <jarnos> that took several minutes
[10:31] <jarnos> I can move mouse and use virtual console but otherwise user interface seems to be stuck.
[10:33] <jarnos> I happened during parole playback, but killing parole does not help.
[10:33] <jarnos> ^It
[10:54] <TheSheep> how about memory? something is using up all of it?
[10:55] <TheSheep> you can order top by memory by pressing Oo
[11:08] <jarnos> TheSheep, no, there is plenty of memory free. But for some reason parole did not kill by killall
[11:09] <jarnos> I guess I could use some other command to kill parole
[11:14] <jarnos> like kill -9, or is there a semi alternative?
[11:14] <TheSheep> you could use strace to see what it is doing
[11:15] <TheSheep> but I had a similar problem with vlc, I think it's one of the codecs that is broken
[11:18] <jarnos> kill -15 did not work, kill -9 did and UI works again :)
[11:18] <TheSheep> cheers
[13:10] <Synlu> hum...hello
[13:10] <knome> !hi
[13:35] <xrdodrx> TheSheep: in case you're wondering that's a bug on launchpad against vlc
[13:35] <xrdodrx> I had to compile it myself to get it to work properly
[13:36] <xrdodrx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/743323
[13:37] <xrdodrx> it should have been fixed already though
[13:38] <xrdodrx> :<
[13:38] <xrdodrx> at least according to the report
[13:41] <TheSheep> will probably appear in the next version of ubuntu
[14:12] <ZaaMmY> hi all
[14:12] <ZaaMmY> I am SaaMmY
[14:12] <ZaaMmY> on xubuntu on an other pc
[14:12] <ZaaMmY> I would transfer all my xubuntu here
[14:19] <knome> ZaaMmY, ?
[14:20] <SaaMmY> maybe what I need is !clone
[14:20] <SaaMmY> !clone
[14:20] <SaaMmY> I am trying it
[14:28] <xrdodrx> oh cool SaaMmY :D
[14:28] <xrdodrx> I didn't know you could do that
[14:28] <xrdodrx> Thank you :)
[16:04] <sorseg> Hello!
[16:05] <sorseg> Is there anyone alive?
[16:05] <TheSheep> no
[16:06] <sorseg> =(
[16:06] <SaaMmY> I am no1
[16:06] <sorseg> I've just made a fresh install of xubuntu 11.04 and I can't find keyboard layout indicator to add it to the panel
[16:06] <sorseg> Should I install something?
[16:07] <TheSheep> it's now handled by the indicator plugin
[16:07] <SaaMmY> I want to install a dvb-t dongle in xubuntu
[16:08] <TheSheep> sorseg: there is also
[16:08] <TheSheep> !info xfce4-xkb-plugin
[16:08] <sorseg> Thanx!
[16:09] <TheSheep> SaaMmY: I suppose it will see it as a video source, just like webcams
[16:09] <SaaMmY> no
[16:09] <SaaMmY> I don't see anything
[16:10] <TheSheep> lsusb shows something?
[16:10] <TheSheep> and where are you looking?
[18:41] <Xunubi> Hi all, small problem has me stumped.. My microphone is feeding directly to my speakers instead of to applications like skype for example (if i speak into my mic, it plays out of my speakers)
[18:51] <TheSheep> Xunubi: open xfce4-mixer and disable the 'capture' red dots on the second tab
[18:53] <Xunubi> TheSheep: Is xfce4-mixer the "speaker icon" on my taskbar, or a seperate program?
[18:54] <TheSheep> the same
[18:58] <Xunubi> TheSheep: I have done as you say in, the static noise in my speakers (from my mic) continues, and when I reopen the settings window, the red lights are back.
[19:01] <TheSheep> hmm, you are right
[19:01] <TheSheep> I was confused as to what they do
[19:02] <Xunubi> I just uninstalled xfce4-mixer ... is there a config file I should manually delete before reinstalling? (I'm trying to remove user error from this, i.e. some weird settings I may have altered)
[19:02] <TheSheep> Xunubi: don't uninstall it
[19:03] <TheSheep> install it back, use the dropdown at the top to swicth to a 'capture' device
[19:03] <Xunubi> TheSheep: Done.
[19:05] <Xunubi> There are two captures coming up in that list, one "playback" and then HDA INTEL PCH and REALTEK ALC 889
[19:07] <TheSheep> hmm
[19:08] <TheSheep> funny thing, I didn't manage to mute the feedback loop from the mic :/
[19:08] <Xunubi> Yeah, I may try running the default gnome sound mixer, I just switched to XFCE from Gnome and I didn't have any issues with the Gnome mixer
[19:17] <Xunubi> Should my update manager be telling me to install UBUNTU 10.10 instead of Xubuntu? lol hmmm
[19:24] <Xunubi> Two harddrives, SDA1 = boot and root, SDB = /home and /swap ...if I were to install over the top of my current distro, with manual partition choices, leaving /home and /swap as they are, would the new install of xubuntu 11.04 accept those partitions? (there's no encription involved on any of the partitions)
[19:24] <knome> (you shouldn't specify a mountpoint for swap, the "filesystem" should just be swap)
[19:24] <Xunubi> That is how it is, I just worded it badly
[19:25] <knome> Xunubi, and yes, it would, just select the manual partition stuff, and tell the installe to mount sdb1 to /home, but not format
[19:26] <knome> Xunubi, you might want to copy the hidden (.-starting) folders, especially .config to some backup location, so you'll really get a fresh installation (unless you WANT to keep those settings)
[19:26] <TheSheep> or just create a new user
[19:27] <knome> that too
[19:27] <Xunubi> The settings are the problem, I've really messed up this install, and I think it's going to complicate it further with using update manager, so I'm going to wipe SDA, install xubuntu 11.04 (currently running 10.04 LTS) and just keep the /home and /swap on the seperate hard drive, ideally with NO SETTINGS remembered from previous installation.
[19:27] <knome> most people just want to use the same username everywhere, and that's kind of wise :)
[19:28] <knome> Xunubi, then move all the .starting files and directories in /home/youruser/ to backup location
[19:29] <Xunubi> even big directories like .wine ?
[19:29] <knome> well, that's why i said "backup location", because you might want to copy that back
[19:29] <Xunubi> *searches for external hard drive*
[19:30] <knome> if you move them to /home/yourusername/backup/, that shouldn't take long as the files aren't physically moved, they are just pointed to other location on the disk
[19:30] <Xunubi> knome: thanks for the advive
[19:30] <Xunubi> advice*
[19:30] <knome> no need for external drive, if you're not going to format /home
[19:30] <knome> just move them to a directory under home
[19:30] <knome> and you'll have them handy
[19:30] <Xunubi> because if theyre not simply in /home ...they won't be read?
[19:31] <knome> yes. :)
[19:31] <Xunubi> Awesome :)
[19:31] <Xunubi> As you can probably tell I'm quite new to linux (more so XFCE) but so far, it's definately my fav WM
[19:32] <knome> we all have to start somewhere, and; welcome :)
[19:32] <Xunubi> Also getting a much warmer reception here than over at the #kubuntu hang-out lol
[19:36] <Xunubi> knome; created folder 'backup', moved all .files many are starting to reappear in my home folder at random (.cache,.config,.local.xchat2 etc
[19:37] <Xunubi> This should be the last thing I do, with nothing running, before restarting my machine (I am guessing?)
[19:38] <knome> Xunubi, just remove those again once you've reinstalled
[19:38] <knome> Xunubi, or, you can just boot the livecd, and when the partition is mounted from there, remove those, and then install
[19:39] <knome> Xunubi, i think that's the best way to do it, to make sure no old configuration pops in
[19:39] <knome> Xunubi, but now you got the backups :)
[19:39] <knome> brb, boot
[19:39] <Xunubi> knome: thanks
[19:41] <etech> Xubuntu Oneiric A2 running well on my Dell Mini  9 - well done code...
[19:44] <knome> etech, good to hear that
[19:45] <etech> Xubuntu 11.11 will be great
[19:45] <knome> there probably won't be a 11.11 though ;)
[19:45] <Xunubi> Will 11.11 be the new LTS?
[19:45] <knome> Xunubi, nope
[19:45] <knome> Xunubi, 12.04 will
[19:45] <Xunubi> Ah :)
[19:46] <Olbi|2> I'm trying actually Xubuntu 11.04 64 bit on Acer Aspire One 722 with AMD C-50
[19:47] <etech> Only thing I removed was oneconf.  Crashed constantly.
[19:47] <Olbi|2> Installation isn't possible cause system was freezing all the time after booting to LiveCD
[19:47] <Olbi|2> i had to install on another PC that replace HDD with installed system
[19:47] <etech> use the Alt installation - text and slow can be good ;)
[19:48] <knome> Olbi|2, did you happen to test the disc integrity? or the alternative cd?
[19:48] <Olbi|2> it was on pendrive :)
[19:48] <Olbi|2> tested 3 pendrive, on all was same thing :]
[19:49] <Olbi|2> all was good working, even Broadcom wifi :D
[19:49] <knome> ZaaMmY, are you having connection problems or something?
[19:49] <ZaaMmY> nono
[19:49] <ZaaMmY> it's ok
[19:49] <knome> Olbi|2, device support is better and better
[19:50] <ZaaMmY> just testing mount
[19:50] <knome> ZaaMmY, okay, just checking because you were going in and out
[19:50] <ZaaMmY> XD
[19:50] <etech> I had to connect to my wired lan for Broadcom wlan... no big deal though
[19:50] <ZaaMmY> for vfat which is the <options>
[19:52] <Olbi|2> and but strange is that AMD didn't provide closed source drivers, only open source :P
[19:52] <Olbi|2> for C-50 APU
[19:52] <etech> Oneiric Ocelot should be (11.10) - not an LTS ;(
[19:53] <Olbi|2> It should be 12.04 or 12.10 if I remember good from official announce
[19:54] <knome> (sorry, just checking)
[19:54] <knome> !devilspie
[19:55] <knome> !devilspie
[19:55] <knome> better :)
[19:56] <knome> Olbi|2, yup, 12.04 is LTS
[19:56] <knome> every .04 release on even years
[19:57] <knome> (that is, LTS every 2 years, unless mr. shuttleworth decided something else)
[19:58] <knome> s/decided/decides/
[20:41] <Olbi|2> hmm, oneiric livecd on virtualbox isnt working yet :P
[20:42] <Olbi|2> some1 started it with livecd mode on latest vbox?
[20:48] <GridCube> Olbi|2, oneiric live images doesn't work
[20:48] <GridCube> its a problem whit lightdm and sessions
[20:48] <GridCube> it hasn't been fixed yet
[20:49] <GridCube> you can install anyway and try the installed version
[20:51] <Olbi|2> GridCube: ok, very thx, trying alternate version
[20:52] <GridCube> you can install from the livecd cd too, you just need to choose the Install option at boot
[20:53] <schijnndraeff> I had installed KDE on my system, decided I didn't like it, and uninstalled it.  Now DVD and audio playback aren't working.  I assume I uninstalled something I shouldn't have.  Can anyone help?
[20:55] <GridCube> mmm
[20:55] <GridCube> are you using xubuntu now?
[20:55] <GridCube> if yes then > sudo apt-get xubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:13] <pteague> anybody here good with debugging network interfaces? i just built a new box, installed xubuntu natty, & i'm trying to rsync a bunch of stuff over to it... it doesn't matter if i initialize it on the new box or the box it's pulling from it's dead slow even though the indicator lights show everything should be using a gigabit network
[21:37] <pteague> when stuff is going through it goes fast, but it seems to only be able to do things in spurts... ping from that particular box to the gateway seems to be losing packets.... i.e. just went from icmp_req=797 to icmp_req=823
[21:39] <pteague> wow, then icmp_req=824... followed immediately by 865-877 saying destination host unreachable... wtf is going on?
[22:06] <xunubi> Hmm is there any possible reason why I get blazing fast download speeds on xubuntu 10.04-2 LTS and horridly slow speeds on 11.04?
[22:07] <Sysi> more seeders on other? or diferent mirror
[22:08] <xunubi> Example: On 10.04, getting restricted extras took maybe 45 seconds, on 11.04 it's been around 40 mins (still going) 9,401 b/s maxing out at 55 kb/s
[22:10] <xunubi> Sysi: I guess, though I'm inclined to believe it's alterations to wifi drivers, web pages are also taking an age to load, I'm going to test direct downloads from websites after this finishes
[22:11] <Sysi> could be that too
[22:11] <Sysi> atheros wifi chip?
[22:11] <xunubi> I forget the command to check, ndiswrapper or something?
[22:11] <Sysi> lspci
[22:12] <Sysi> !info ndiswrapper
[22:13] <Sysi> well, that's used if you need to use windows-drivers
[22:13] <xunubi> Manufacturer: TP-Link, response from terminal is: Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5008 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[22:14] <xunubi> ah yes I remember now :) back when I had 8.04 on my laptop I had to use ndiswrapper for that
[22:15] <Sysi> do you have system updated? it should get fixed with kernel update
[22:16] <Sysi> or try: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=115173
[22:16] <xunubi> apt-get update just updates repositories etc right? you're referring to update manager?
[22:19] <xunubi> Sysi: Thanks for the link, I can't believe I forgot to update :) hopefully that will fix it, if not I'll try making the file as suggested in the link you posted.
[22:34] <xunubi> Sysi: It appears to be wireless driver related.  Update Manager taking just as long.
[22:39] <xunubi> is there a command to update the kernal without all the other bulky stuff in update-manager? (then i can download the rest with a proper connection speed) :p