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[05:53] <Kilos> hi JabberwockyA19
[05:54] <JabberwockyA19> môre Kilos, vinnig vanoggend sjoe
[05:55] <Kilos> haha
[05:59] <Kilos> haha geskeerde skaap lyk net soos regtes
[05:59] <Kilos> pienk
[06:00] <mazal> Ek weet nog steeds nie hoe om 'n skaap te skeer nie
[06:00] <nuvolari> o/ morning oom Kilos, JabberwockyA19, mazal
[06:00] <nuvolari> en die_held
[06:01] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[06:01] <mazal> Morning nuvolari
[06:01] <mazal> Môre JabberwockyA19
[06:02] <superfly> morning all
[06:03] <mazal> Morning superfly
[06:03] <mazal> Thank you for the awesome changes on the server :)
[06:03] <superfly> if you go to the server's URL in your browser, there's a "map"
[06:04] <superfly> yw
[06:05] <mazal> The changes really rocks man
[06:06] <JabberwockyA19> hi nuvolari mazal superfly
[06:06] <superfly> howzit JabberwockyA19
[06:07] <mazal> I only see some what looks like Russian menus
[06:07] <mazal> Don't see a map , maybe I short a browser plugin
[06:08] <superfly> mazal, it sounds like you have the wrong url?
[06:08] <JabberwockyA19> superfly: I'm good, I still need to join your sever at some stage :P
[06:08] <mazal> http://snyman.minetest.info ?
[06:08] <superfly> mazal: no
[06:08] <mazal> oi
[06:08] <JabberwockyA19> that's after I download the game...
[06:09] <superfly> JabberwockyA19: let me know when you're ready and I'll PM you the URL
[06:09] <superfly> s/URL/address/
[06:10] <mazal> JabberwockyA19, it's a really small DL.
[06:11] <mazal> Wasn't even 8mb if I recall
[06:12] <die_held> morwning dawgs!
[06:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: the map is brilliant
[06:13] <superfly> sup ThatGraemeGuy
[06:14] <superfly> ta
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> not zoomable it seems, or is it me?
[06:14] <superfly> no, not zoomable... it's just an image
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok cool
[06:14] <superfly> but it gets updated every 15 minutes
[06:14] <superfly> trying to figure out how to make it bigger
[06:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> time to wanter off into the unexplored corners and write messages :)
[06:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh, wander even
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> black squares are those where nobody's been?
[06:16] <superfly> that's what I'm gathering
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> wow
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> what is the resolution of 1 square in that image?
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> i know the map is something like 32,000+ blocks cubed
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> super huge
[06:17] <mazal> I like those highways. Combine them with the map and you can travel very far very fast :)
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> they should have rails with powered rails every 20 or so blocks
[06:22] <superfly> I think each node (block) is like 1 pixel
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> wow
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> so that is only a tiny fraction of the actual map
[06:23] <superfly> potentially, I'm guessing
[06:24] <nuvolari> :'( http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/103539-1gbps-fibre-access-at-r1299.html
[06:24] <nuvolari> dreams are made of those
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> its weird to see how close that desert exit of the deep mine is to my house. in game it feels like so far
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> can't imagine ever exploring the whole map
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> i can actually see the rails in front of my house
[06:27] <Kilos> hi superfly  ThatGraemeGuy
[06:27] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning Kilos
[06:28]  * Kilos scrolls and reads
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: http://minetest.snyman.info/
[06:28] <Kilos> ty i go see
[06:29] <Kilos> 102m upgrade thats gotta wait
[06:29] <superfly> I'd like to split it up into tiles eventually
[06:30] <Kilos> i see lotsa black areas is that my browser thats at fault?
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> unexplored parts we've guessed
[06:33] <Kilos> ah, caught up with the reading
[06:34] <Kilos> sjoe well done superfly
[06:35] <Kilos> nuvolari  almal moet net die pryse ver sak dan kan dit net lekker wees
[06:35] <mazal> Oom Kilos , verduidelik tog die pietie hoe kry jy daai skaap geskeer ? Het nou al als getry
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm going to make it my mission to explore the black squares
[06:36] <Kilos> jy hou regs kliek op hom tot hy pienk word
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: right-click it to shear, left-click to get raw meat
[06:36] <mazal> aaaaah , dankie :)
[06:36] <mazal> Ek maak die arme goed net dood heel tyd :P
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> right-click a rat too, left click just kills them
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> rat+furnace = cooked rat
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> yummy yum :P
[06:38] <mazal> Kewl , I want to eat rat
[06:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> haven't done it myself
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> but i know cooked raw meat (that you get from sheep) gives 4 full hearts of health for eating 1 piece
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> good to carry some cooked lamp chops around for those times you take a hectic fall but it doesn't quite kill you
[06:39] <Kilos> eeeek
[06:40] <Kilos> only rat ive ever eaten is cane rat but they kinda like slow moving rabbits
[06:40] <Kilos> and big too
[06:42] <Kilos> hey kde guys. i see a blue icon that says secirity updates are available but it has a little heart on it too. whats that from/for
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe the heart indicates security update vs normal update
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have normal updates available and its blue with a little green thing
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> i would screenshot it, but a it happens i just ran updates and now its gone
[06:45] <Kilos> lol
[06:46] <Kilos> mine has the green thing in the middle as well , heart is bottom right corner
[06:46] <Kilos> haha
[07:10]  * Squirm y awns
[07:15] <charl_> good morning
[07:19] <charl_> hi Kilos, Squirm, ThatGraemeGuy, mazal
[07:19] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:19]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:19] <Kilos> hi Squirm  charl_
[07:19] <charl_> oh and i nuvolari and superfly
[07:19] <charl_> think i got everyone now :)
[07:21] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[07:21] <Maaz> Squirm: Done
[07:23] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Squirm!
[07:34] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[07:34] <inetpro> oh and hi to everyone else
[07:34] <Kilos> goeie inetpro  goed om jou te sien
[07:35] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[07:35] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[07:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo inetpro
[07:49] <superfly> hi charl_, inetpro, Squirm
[07:50] <Kilos> so where does one find redstone for the powered rails
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> powered rails don't need redstone
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2451
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> or just click it in the crafting guide
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: at my house there's 2 rail tracks, the shorter one has 4 powered rails
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> left-click the cart if its standing still to start it moving, right-click it to jump in
[07:56] <Kilos> ty i go try find your house
[07:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> use the map :-)
[08:15] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:16] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:17] <Kilos> do you see roads on the new map ThatGraemeGuy  ?
[08:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://minetest.snyman.info/
[08:18] <Kilos> i see like an aerial photo but cant see roads
[08:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> get your eyes tested :)
[08:18] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:18] <Vince-0> o/ Kilos
[08:22] <Kilos> one eye is blind and the other also cant see
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish
[08:28] <Kilos> met ys ja
[08:29] <Kilos> i might also battle some because i got the contrast set way down
[08:29] <Kilos> np ill find your place by accident again
[08:29] <Kilos> put up a sign that says graemes home
[08:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2902, superfly i want TNT! :-o
[08:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> and boats
[08:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> i should stop looking at mods :-/
[08:57] <superfly> boats sounds good. if you find a scuba mod, that would also be cool
[08:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4016 <-- boats
[08:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7175 <-- scuba but appears to be very alpha, probably not useful
[09:11] <mazal> I want some clay for red bricks , but can't find the clay. Only find sand and dirt at water
[09:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: clay is a little darker
[09:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> the sand is a light beige but clay is a light grey
[09:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> it isn't very common though
[09:46] <mazal> The wiki says underwater. Do I actually have to go underwater and mine there , or just under the waterline ?
[09:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> it'll be on the floor of deepish water
[09:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> not 2 or 3 levels down, you have to swim down a bit
[09:47] <mazal> Oi
[09:47] <mazal> Ok will try thanx
[09:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> use a shovel, it's fastest at digging clay/sand/gravel/dirt blocks
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> or you can break down your old brick house close to my place
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think that was yours
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> and while you're there look in my chests if there's clay lumps or bricks you are welcome to help yourself
[09:48] <mazal> No I don't have a brick house yet
[09:48] <mazal> Mine is all stone/wood
[09:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i keep my own stuff in a locked chest the open chests you are welcome to raid if you want
[09:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh ok, can't recall whose little brick house that was then
[09:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> seems pretty abandoned though
[09:49] <mazal> I think my house is quite some distance from you. I'm deep in the desert
[09:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i know
[09:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> but right my be is a little red brick hut
[09:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> *by me
[09:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> thought that was built by you, but i must be confused
[09:50] <mazal> I will remember when I ran into it thanx
[09:50] <mazal> run even
[10:02] <Kilos> lol
[10:06] <mazal> Dis dalk iemand se "kleinhuisie"
[10:33] <mazal> Than ThatGraemeGuy , I found some :)
[10:34] <mazal> thanx even
[10:35] <Kilos> mine lots mazal  ill buy from you
[10:36]  * Kilos only dives for crayfish not clay
[10:36] <mazal> Biggest problem now , I can't see them at night. So can only check and mine for them during the day
[10:37] <mazal> You can dive for mice also Kilos , seen a few off them underwater :P
[10:37] <Kilos> lol
[10:38] <Kilos> i dont like the underwater bit , but im slowly getting used to it
[10:38] <mazal> Don't like it either
[10:38] <Kilos> drowned a coupla times till i was told to space up
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> swem boetie!
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[11:25] <Vince_0> lol Maaz you slow poke
[11:25] <Vince_0> "By the way, kbmonkey on freenode told me "tell Vince_0 Howzit, just missed you" 28 days, 20 hours, 7 minutes and 1 second ago"
[11:37] <Kilos> wow
[11:38] <Kilos> how did he miss giving that message the first time you said anything here
[11:39] <superfly> Vince-0 versus Vince_0 >?
[12:10] <Kilos> aha ty
[12:11] <Kilos> found graemes cart ride, wow
[12:12] <Kilos> left clicked on it and it took off so ran behind it
[12:13] <superfly> right-click on it to ride it
[12:13] <Kilos> lol will try that if i can catch it
[12:15] <Vince_0> superfly, that'd be it
[12:17] <Kilos> haha took 28 days, 20 hours, 7 minutes and 1 second to make the same mistook
[12:31] <Vince_0> trust a programmer to notice a syntax error
[12:45] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy the evening
[12:53] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  sorry i broke it. walked from one end of your line to the other and saw no cart so put mine on and next thing they crashed
[12:53] <Kilos> dunno where yours was hiding
[12:53] <Kilos> now they kinda piggy backed
[12:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh sorry man, i broke up all my tracks, was busy doing some stuff
[12:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure whose rails you ran into
[13:02] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy, Kilos: probably mine
[13:03] <Kilos> oh my
[13:03]  * Kilos sends wide ranging apologies
[13:04] <Kilos> to who'm it may concern kind
[13:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: you shift-left-click a cart to pick it up
[13:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> and right click on a rail to put it down
[13:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> left-click to send it on its way, right-click to jump in
[13:59] <Kilos> ah ty graeme. you can have that one i made three
[14:00] <Kilos> was thinking that peeps build the rails and one takes his own cart to go use them
[14:02] <Kilos> we gonna need level crossing warning crosses just now hehe
[14:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: which mods are installed on the server? Would like to have them all locally for messing around in single player
[14:45] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  you got single player working properly not the minimal install thing
[14:46] <Kilos> railroading is expensive hey eats you steel supply
[14:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> single player works fine, i just don't have the mods that are on the server
[14:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> better go mining then ;)
[14:46] <Kilos> ya again sigh
[14:47] <Kilos> does your single say its the minimal
[14:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> on the single player tab you click the new button to create a new world
[14:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> give it any name, seed is used in generating it, and mapgen should be v6, game = minetest
[15:12] <Kilos> eish server sukkeling bad
[15:12] <Kilos> my cart disappeared somewhere
[16:00] <Kilos> too painful to play with heavy lag like this
[16:03] <Kilos> hi Private_User  what have you fixed and what have you broken
[16:03] <Private_User> lol
[16:03] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[16:04] <smile> hi :p
[16:05] <Private_User> have not fixed anything yet and seems like my internet seems to be acting up again and I managed to slow my win pc even more enable all start-up services and applications thinking that I may have disable something that could be causing my connectivity issues
[16:06] <Private_User> was busy tryin to assist a friend of mind install Zorin OS which is based on ubuntu
[16:06] <Kilos> eish
[16:06] <Private_User> looks alot like Win 7 I must say
[16:06] <Private_User> *mine
[16:06] <Kilos> you know how to chkdsk win hey?
[16:07] <Private_User> yeah
[16:07] <Kilos> wow based on ubuntu and looks like win7?
[16:07] <Kilos> eeeek
[16:07] <Private_User> will have to do it it tonight, I have alot of stuff to do hey but wanna get this test out of the way first
[16:08] <Kilos> run a ping
[16:08] <Private_User> yeah well for him its good he is a linux newbie
[16:08] <Kilos> ya maybe easier to start with something that looks familiar
[16:08] <smile> Kilos: lol (the eeek) :p
[16:09] <Kilos> lol hi smile
[16:09] <Kilos> some peeps say kde is too windows like
[16:09] <Kilos> what an insult
[16:10] <Kilos> kickoff application launcher does sound like start button
[16:10] <Kilos> doesnt
[16:17] <Private_User> now I am seriously thinking of calling cellc and swearing them, this connecting is starting to frustrate me
[16:18] <Kilos> you need to look at the desktop ram, lets see if i have something same here but bigger
[16:19] <smile> Kilos: KDE looks ugly, you have to admit that :P
[16:19] <Kilos> i have some ddr333
[16:19] <Kilos> kde rocks
[16:20] <Private_User> I tried to get my friend to install ubuntu but I guess he decided to go with his chosen distro cause he reckon he is a newbie and like something that looks familiar to ease himeself into Linux
[16:20] <Kilos> man all you have to tell noobs is help is here all day and most of the night
[16:21] <Private_User> yeah I told him and also advice joining this channel
[16:22] <Kilos> and yes ride cellc
[16:22] <Kilos> advise
[16:22] <Private_User> maybe if he was part of this channel he could be convinced to use ubuntu as well
[16:22] <Private_User> yeah that too
[16:22] <Private_User> LOL
[16:23] <Kilos> find the cellc site and ping them continuously
[16:23] <smile> Kilos: Xfce rocks more :D
[16:23] <Kilos> eish
[16:24] <Kilos> im not a xfce fan
[16:24] <Kilos> even unity is better
[16:29] <smile> unity is good, xfce is better :p
[16:29] <smile> kde is good, but I don't like the looks
[16:30] <smile> plus, it's bloated
[16:32] <Kilos> lol when i battled with speed i was told get a new pc
[16:33] <Kilos> kde likes a strong machine, but not much worse than unity
[16:39] <Private_User> ok brb gonna reboot one more time just disable many startup services and applications which I think I do not need lets see if that helps in anyway
[17:50] <Kilos> ha JabberwockyA19  at night too?
[17:50] <Kilos> i hope i havent given Art in the lists bad info , maybe someone like the fly can check it
[17:51] <Kilos> naand inetpro  as jy sometime kans kry sort die topic vir ons asb
[18:06] <kbmonkey> superfly, that map looks great. see how the vertical axiz is flipped around, but looks stunning.
[18:07] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos
[18:07] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey  game super slow tonight
[18:08] <Kilos> can you see where the prob is?
[18:08] <Kilos> 4 mins to empty trash in the crafter
[18:10] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I am not going to attempt
[18:11] <Kilos> it would be interesting to know where it is actually happening man
[18:11] <Kilos> is it the server or something in between
[18:11] <kbmonkey> I blame the networks
[18:11] <kbmonkey> is it faster in the day time?
[18:12] <Kilos> was fine this morning this after brakes came on
[18:12] <kbmonkey> hmm
[18:12] <Kilos> was actually lekker inna morn
[18:13] <kbmonkey> they throttle us in the evenings
[18:13] <Kilos> it like kept loading ahead of me walking to desert
[18:13] <Kilos> didnt have to wait
[18:15] <kbmonkey> I try play dwarf fortress a little
[18:15] <Kilos> and i have to mine iron ore. railroads eat steel
[18:15] <kbmonkey> sukkel
[18:16] <kbmonkey> got carts layed out?
[18:16] <kbmonkey> ai man
[18:26] <theblazehen> yay, my mobo maybe supports VT-d
[18:26] <theblazehen> has IOMMU at least
[18:27] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  fix it please
[18:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> say what now? fix what?
[18:28] <kbmonkey> cool theblazehen
[18:28] <theblazehen> Seroiusly, why the fuck do they not even mention if the mobo has VT-d on the specs, or even the manual... :/
[18:28] <Kilos> kbmonkey  i have rails to last few blocks from the desert mine
[18:28] <theblazehen> Finally get to play a game on my GPU :D
[18:28] <kbmonkey> cos the manuals are mass produced for a variety of mainboards?
[18:28] <Kilos> put one cart on at home and it disappeared
[18:29] <kbmonkey> playing some dwarf fortress now
[18:29] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: Talking about the one listed on gigabytes site for the mobo, has all other details
[18:29] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: nice :)
[18:29] <Kilos> eish theblazehen  you gonna offend the good peeps here
[18:29] <kbmonkey> I cant find a non aquafier site to embark on...
[18:29] <theblazehen> Kilos: ?
[18:29] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: Look in the config
[18:29] <Kilos> language
[18:29] <theblazehen> You can disable
[18:29] <theblazehen> ah sorry Kilos
[18:30] <kbmonkey> offence is taken not given. hehe
[18:30] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <kbmonkey> disable it, ah I will look!
[18:30] <Kilos> isnt it in our code of conduct or whatever its called
[18:31] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: might need to get df worldgen
[18:31] <kbmonkey> I guess so Kilos but for those who sign it
[18:32] <Kilos> ya but we all gotta kinda toe the line to not offend the peeps that wrote it
[18:32] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: You used the search function on the DF map right?
[18:32] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Aquifer#The_modding_method
[18:32] <kbmonkey> theblazehen, I did but it hilights most of the map - medium size
[18:33] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: for no aquifer?
[18:33] <kbmonkey> thanks :)
[18:34] <kbmonkey> my mind seems to take strain this week and find it hard to focus (except at work, go figure)
[18:34] <theblazehen> heh, lol
[18:34] <kbmonkey> or work is draining my brain juice
[18:37] <superfly> ohi
[18:38] <theblazehen> hey superfly
[18:59] <theblazehen> nope :(
[18:59] <theblazehen> Supports IOMMU but not DMAR :/
[19:02] <theblazehen> Anyone know what package lspci is in?
[19:02] <theblazehen> apt-cache search lspci returns nothing
[19:07] <smile> pciutils, theblazehen
[19:07] <theblazehen> smile: got it, ty
[19:07] <smile> :)
[19:08] <theblazehen> Trying to see what I can do in a container
[19:08] <theblazehen> Since PCI-passthrough don't work
[19:08] <smile> good night! :)
[19:08] <theblazehen> cya smile
[19:33] <Kilos> not a good night to do upgrades methinks
[19:50] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. lets hope we got a better internet tomorrow
[20:51] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy, kbmonkey: I've loaded some new mods, logging in might take a while
[20:51] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos I've loaded new mods into minetest, it's going to take a long time to log in the first time
[20:51] <Maaz> superfly: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[21:38] <spinza> Anyone know of mirrors of ports.ubuntu.com in ZA?
[21:52] <superfly> ports.ubuntu.com? never even heard of that
[22:13] <spinza> I'm running a wandboard.  Managed to install ubuntu armhf on it.
[22:13] <spinza> It comes with the apt repo of ports.ubuntu.com
[22:13] <spinza> Looking for something closer (and faster)
[22:14] <spinza> ports.ubuntu.com has all the other architectures (other than 64 and x86)


[04:17] <daftykins> the 5am pi reboot! :>
[05:09] <MartijnVdS> piboot!@
[08:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:42] <diddledan> m00
[12:53] <diddledan> don't you love random butt-dialing
[12:58] <SuperEngineer> dunno - I've never dialled a random butt
[14:09] <celebru> join pokemon
[16:06]  * penguin42 noticed that GUADEC is up in Manchester next year
[17:31] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/bagrow/status/784066050941943808
[17:33] <penguin42> heck that's neat
[17:52] <diddledan> time for me to lose my man cred by watching strictly
[18:24] <zmoylan-pi> depends what ballgown you wear while doing so...
[20:23] <popey> Azelphur: I just joined a random TF2 server (not played for ages) and your name flashed up :)
[20:51] <daftykins> XD


[13:32] <LaochMumhain> My account was suspended immediately after logging a question on the tacker project Question #633703. Can you please unsuspend my account.
[13:50] <cjwatson> wgrant: ^-
[13:56] <wgrant> LaochMumhain: Hm, sorry about that. I've restored your account but I'm afraid I can't recover your question. I can't see why it would have tripped the spam detector.
[15:34] <nickoe> Spam user live,   username  neahpuedh
[15:34] <nickoe> Almost, typo.
[15:34] <nickoe> neahpueadh
[15:35] <nickoe> wgrant: anything you can help with?
[15:51] <cjwatson> nickoe: I just checked and found that that user has been auto-suspended
[16:08] <nickoe> Ok, cjwatson thaknks!
[16:08] <nickoe> *thanks!
[18:04] <rbasak> Have you ever considered adding a facility to "lock" bugs - to prevent further comments, a bit like stack overflow?
[18:04] <rbasak> "Pile on" bugs are frustrating, and that would be a nice answer.
[18:04] <rbasak> Sometimes I try to explain in the bug description, but people carry on confusing things regardless, and these bugs are completely unactionable by developers.
[18:05] <rbasak> Unless I filter for comments only by the reporter and Ubuntu developers. But if we do that, perhaps that's what a lock action could restrict comments to.
[18:05] <luca-santarelli> Hello, I want to contribute to a project hosted on launchpad, but I don't have write access. The developer told me to ask here how to fork his repo to my user prefix so that I can push changes there. It's using git as VCS.
[18:05] <rbasak> luca-santarelli: you just push to your own space.
[18:06] <rbasak> luca-santarelli: if you tell us the git repository you're forking, someone could tell you where that would be for you.
[18:07] <luca-santarelli> rbasak: sure, thanks. It's plank  git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/plank
[18:07] <rbasak> luca-santarelli: also I think https://code.launchpad.net/<project> actually tells you the right push URL.
[18:07] <rbasak> Oh, apparently not.
[18:07] <luca-santarelli> Well, it tells me "You cannot push to this repository.
[18:07] <rbasak> Perhaps that's a limitation with git?
[18:07] <luca-santarelli> yes, exactly :)
[18:08] <rbasak> I think it works for bzr hosted projects, eg. https://code.launchpad.net/byobu
[18:08] <rbasak> That might be worth a bug report
[18:08] <luca-santarelli> a bug report opened where? plank? launchpad?
[18:09] <rbasak> Against Launchpad, to report that it doesn't just tell you on that page like my byobu example.
[18:09] <rbasak> To solve your problem directly, https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git#Repository_URLs is the documentation. From there, I think you want to push to git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/~luca-ssantarelli/plank
[18:10] <rbasak> And then once you've done that, you should be able to file a merge proposal from https://code.launchpad.net/~luca-santarelli/+git (click through to the branch from there)
[18:11] <luca-santarelli> thank you very much, I'm gonna give it a try right now
[18:12] <rbasak> Depending on git configuration, you may need<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:21] <acheronuk> can put http://paste.ubuntu.com/24635867/ in your ~/.gitconfig
[18:22] <acheronuk> and use those aliases instead
[18:35] <luca-santarelli> rbasak: I was successful both in forking and then pushing the request for merge :) thank you very much
[20:43] <DalekSec> 'rip84' seems a bit like a spam account, keep getting moderation messages that have nothing at all to do with the list they are sent to.


 @theare27 [Is there away to prevent videos autoplaying in Morph?], i think i can
 there is a qtwebengine flag i think
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/02lFEcnY.png if I want to install GSI for my Redmi note 4, how do I get halium-boot.img on my device, why does it feel so difficult 😂
 there is Halium 7 port for Redmi Note 4
 (Photo, 1280x430) https://irc.ubports.com/850CNGxu.png Is this enough? I am very interested but why is it so difficult, thank you 😂
 no, you need device-specific kernel compiled
 also @halium group is a better place for this
 @NotKit [no, you need device-specific kernel compiled], Can you make it for me, because I don't have a PC 😶
 @NotKit [also @halium group is a better place for this], Thanks , i will join
 sorry, I don't think it's good idea then, because if it won't start (and something rarely works from the first try) you have no means to debug it
 [Edit] sorry, I don't think it's a good idea then, because if it won't start (and something rarely works from the first try) you have no means to debug it
 @NotKit [sorry, I don't think it's a good idea then, because if it won't start (and somet …], Yup Thank you, that gives something very important, and I understand 👍 … Thank you for responding
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/egNxEgd7.null
 all you need is `    settings.playbackRequiresUserGesture: true` in WebViewImpl.qml
 @mateosalta [all you need is     settings.playbackRequiresUserGesture: true in WebViewImpl.qm …], have you tried it? does it work? so if its, it'll be easy yo add it in the settings 😄
[05:35] <ubptgbot> Bitfinex Support Paixão was added by: Bitfinex Support Paixão
 Will custom layout support be implemented in the terminal app? I'm quite constrained by the limitations of the predefined layouts when using Cordless.
 [Edit] Will custom layout support be implemented in the terminal app later? I'm quite constrained by the limitations of the predefined layouts when using Cordless.
 @mintphin [Will custom layout support be implemented in the terminal app later? I'm quite c …], you mean the key shortcuts in the bottom bar?
 exactly
 (Photo, 1280x590) https://irc.ubports.com/zATOzuFI.png
 got cordless working
 I believe you can create one yourself but I think it's not available in the UI or might not be possible to do without proposing a PR
 how tho?
 I remember there was a guide or something
 let me check
[07:43] <ubptgbot> RaJvAnT KuMaR Rodnel was added by: RaJvAnT KuMaR Rodnel
 tried to do what you said and now the terminal app is crashing @Javacookies
 you found the tutorial? I can't find it 😅
 i did. it's at https://ubuntu-touch.io/de_DE/blog/unser-blog-1/post/terminal-chapter-4-125
 sorry, I was just aware of it but never tried it 😅
 Hey folks, is there a forum group for Xperia X users / issues?
 Even though SSH access is enabled in the phone.  I need to go to the terminal and type 'sudo service ssh start' each time my phone restarts and I want to initiate an ssh session.
[08:43] <ubptgbot> arifnd was added by: arifnd
[08:44] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Does anyone make cool games for UT ? I bet some phones can handle 3D games.
[08:45] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> The ones in the Open Store seem to be rather basic 2D games.
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], Thanks, I'll try it out shortly
 @mark alexa [Does anyone make cool games for UT ? I bet some phones can handle 3D games.], I bet there will be Steam on UT. In 10 years
[09:37] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @vaskas [I bet there will be Steam on UT. In 10 years], "In 10 years" 😄
 Only as a screen to play the game running on another computer.
 @theare27 [Thanks, I'll try it out shortly], Yep that works for my usecase, thanks Mateo. Will that eventually be integrated into the version shipped with the OS updates?
[09:48] <ubptgbot> Pete Smith was added by: Pete Smith
[09:49] <ubptgbot> DiiDii was added by: DiiDii
[09:50] <ubptgbot> <Pete Smith> ok thinking of getting a nexus 5 and putting UT on it but Im having some confusion as to which nexus 5 to get, there seems to be a rsion android I have on, please any info as Im sick of the big 2 android and apple, thannks in advance
[09:51] <ubptgbot> <Pete Smith> sorry 5x version
 @Pete Smith [sorry 5x version], Ubuntu Touch is not available on the Nexus 5x.
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 I do run Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 5 and it works quite well.
[09:54] <ubptgbot> <Pete Smith> Ok thanks Wayne , brilliant response, thank you
 @Pete Smith [Ok thanks Wayne , brilliant response, thank you], [[If you want](https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Google_Nexus_5X_(lg-bullhead))[If you want t](https://docs.plasma-mobile.org/Installation.html)If you want to create a port, [this information](http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/supplementary/devices/bullhead.html) about the bull
[10:07] <ubptgbot> head may be useful. Or you can try other mobile operating systems available for yor device: plasma mobile (neon based) and postmarketos.
[10:11] <ubptgbot> <Pete Smith> Thanks I will check it out
[10:20] <ubptgbot> <Hamza G> (Photo, 511x760) https://irc.ubports.com/Bq2FHYpx.png amaze
 @Flohack , spam
 why are you posting that here?
 Has anyone tried Ubuntu touch on a newer phone
 Maybe one with volte
 I want to try for redmi 5a
 redmi 5a (riva) is not a supported device: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 You can port though
 Or at least try
 @noufys [Has anyone tried Ubuntu touch on a newer phone], I'm porting it to oneplus 6t
 Volte works?
 @noufys [Has anyone tried Ubuntu touch on a newer phone], Yes,
 @noufys [Has anyone tried Ubuntu touch on a newer phone], [Edit] Yes. I got it working on Mi A3.
 @noufys [Volte works?], I'm still porting, nothing works for now
 Currently fixing mobile data.
[11:06] <ubptgbot> kovid1984 was added by: kovid1984
 Черти ебаные
 @theare27 [Yep that works for my usecase, thanks Mateo.  (Please, write in English)
 Хуй соси быстро
 @vtsoft [По-английски пиши, сука!  I hope you are not a troll...
 Say #BLACKLIVESMATTER or go our here
 [Edit] Say #BLACKLIVESMATTER or go out here
 @kovid1984 [There is onlayn miting], Yes, I understand already, but can you please normally ask people here or will you create garbage?
 please ignore the spam bots while our mods take care of it
 @Mister_Tails121 [Yes, I understand already, but can you please normally ask people here or will y …], Go out here
 Fwd from kovid1984: Say #BLACKLIVESMATTER or go out here
 @vtsoft [Hello!  (Not Redmi Note 7, namely Redmi7), otherwise everything is bad with attempts to port it, I thought maybe there are those who are better off ....
 @amyosx [I'm trans and pansexual], I too enjoy fellatiating pans
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/NAypR4zq.webp
 @pizzabroodje [I too enjoy fellatiating pans], No that's not what it means
[11:22] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> Does anyone knows how to install Whatsapp with Anbox WITHOUT a google-play account?
 @Federica Galli [Does anyone knows how to install Whatsapp with Anbox WITHOUT a google-play accou …], You can download whatsapp apk from google play using alternative client like a Aurora Store.
 @Federica Galli [Does anyone knows how to install Whatsapp with Anbox WITHOUT a google-play accou …], [Edit] You can download whatsapp apk from google play using alternative client like Aurora Store.
 @Federica Galli [Does anyone knows how to install Whatsapp with Anbox WITHOUT a google-play accou …], So it works fine without it ... I'm sitting on Lineage.OS now without google play and everything works for me
[11:24] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @vtsoft [You can download whatsapp apk from google play using alternative client like Aur …], ok, i've heard about that. Will that work (downloading whatsapp using aurora store) from UT once I have anbox?
 @Federica Galli [ok, i've heard about that. Will that work (downloading whatsapp using aurora sto …], Yes, it works fine ... if it does not work through the Aurora Store, you can directly install the APK
[11:29] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @Mister_Tails121 [Yes, it works fine ... if it does not work through the Aurora Store, you can dir …], The point is that I don't have an android, i have an iphone and if i install UT on the OP1 I will wipe android and do not want to create any google-play or store account. So how can i get the apk without it?
 @Federica Galli [The point is that I don't have an android, i have an iphone and if i install UT …], Yes you can. He Has No Strong Google Attachment
[11:32] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @Mister_Tails121 [Yes you can. He Has No Strong Google Attachment], 👍
 @Federica Galli [The point is that I don't have an android, i have an iphone and if i install UT …], You can install Aurora on your OPO and get WhatsApp from it without a Google account. The apk should land in the Aurora folder into your phone memory.
 OPO running Android of course
 Apkmirror also exists
[11:46] <ubptgbot> MrFlyback was added by: MrFlyback
[11:48] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @Anghirrim [You can install Aurora on your OPO and get WhatsApp from it without a Google acc …], In the italian UBports forum they tell me that "adb install nome-file.apk" should be enough, no google account needed.  Are Ubports forums still divided into regions or what?
 there are local groups for spanish, italian, etc.
 @Mister_Tails121 [Stop .... Are Ubports forums still divided into regions or what?], (Something seems to me that Google translator never learned to translate without errors ..)
 @mimecar [there are local groups for spanish, italian, etc.], Ohhh ... I didn’t know .... I thought there was only English ...
 How to install my device is Available in the list of Ubuntu touch but it doesn't support ub ports
 @loophole47 , what's your device?
 Redmi 4x santoni
 @loophole47 [How to install my device is Available in the list of Ubuntu touch but it doesn't …], Hehe ... I just wanted to ask this ... You directly read my thoughts ...😅😅
 Extra work is needed to add it to the installer.
 (Photo, 1280x500) https://irc.ubports.com/FFGnBmDQ.png
 you have all the information on the forum: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3682/xiaomi-redmi-4x-santoni
 also you can check features that work
 @Federica Galli [In the italian UBports forum they tell me that "adb install nome-file.apk" shoul …], Yep, my recommendation is just for getting the apk from a trusted source without creating any Google account. 😉
 And can you tell me which components you need to redo to get ubuntu? (I have Redmi 7, and I think what changes should be made to the kernel and vendor)
 In principle, each device needs its own port.
[12:03] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @Mister_Tails121 [Stop .... Are Ubports forums still divided into regions or what?], 😂😂 apparently...oh well, not everyone speaks english you know 😁
 @Federica Galli [😂😂 apparently...oh well, not everyone speaks english you know 😁], 😅Yes there is such a little ...😂😂😂😁
[12:06] <ubptgbot> <Michael Erditya> (Photo, 512x840) https://irc.ubports.com/4opJ4WqS.png omg
 @mimecar [In principle, each device needs its own port.], Of course you need ... But ubuntu is very moody and very hard to start, and it’s not possible to launch it everywhere
 The problem is more about Android dependency.
 I do not know what changes have to be made to adapt a port from one model to another model.
 I don’t know .... Here with Redmi 7 (I and several people tried to port it), we had problems with the kernel + vendor + lack of GSI for the port under AB architecture ... And without this, the maximum that we could achieve was launch the GUI but without support for Ubuntu packages and its applications in general ...
 @Mister_Tails121 [I don’t know .... Here with Redmi 7 (I and several people tried to port it), we …], Do you think you understand it was hard to call ubuntu ... Rather, its demo .... There is not even a concept
 I have ab but Ubuntu touch wouldn't work cause I have a64 cpu
 I need to try porting lol
 @mariogrip Jeg fikk aldri stickers av deg!
 This convergence thing has piqued my interest
 @NotKit [that's offtopic here, but it is a partition layout, not processor architecture.. …], Success also depends on this. If you have A / B then it turns out you can’t even hope for ubuntu
 i loved samsung dex
 @Mister_Tails121 [Success also depends on this. If you have A / B then it turns out you can’t even …], that's not true for some time already
 @amyosx [I have ab but Ubuntu touch wouldn't work cause I have a64 cpu], And it won’t work because ubuntu has only A architecture (I’ll call it an architecture because it’s more convenient for me)
 @NotKit [that's not true for some time already], But our attempts a week ago proved the opposite
 Uhh I've seen it on ab devices though
 @amyosx [Uhh I've seen it on ab devices though], I don’t know when we were looking for a GSI for A / B we turned upside down and didn’t find
 @Mister_Tails121 [But our attempts a week ago proved the opposite], you didn't figure out something then
 It's an installer iirc anyway
 @NotKit [you didn't figure out something then], I wonder what .... That there is no GSI for A / B .... We just struggled for a long time about it .. But for AB there really is no GSI .... … 🤔🤔🤔
 there is no UBPorts GSI in Android ROM sense. You need to build custom kernel and patch it *not to skip* ramdisk. Then your A/B device behaves same as A-only device and there is no difference except for partition names
 @halium for porting discussion though, it is a bit of offtopic here
 Could we lvm data and system_b?
 Gets us an extra 2 gb
 @NotKit [there is no UBPorts GSI in Android ROM sense. You need to build custom kernel an …], Can you tell me what you need to patch To get such an effect?
 https://github.com/ubports-lavender/kernel/commit/664adcdfa277c75ff2a47bbfb2e2bfac43dd84d8
 @NotKit [https://github.com/ubports-lavender/kernel/commit/664adcdfa277c75ff2a47bbfb2e2bf …], Ok, I'll pass it on to my people. I hope that it will help.
 Thanks
 "The Ubports installer gsi from Erefan doesn’t start, but he doesn’t even BEGIN IN SECTIONS THERE IS NOTHING TO CHANGE ANYTHING !!!" … Umm ... They just said that he doesn’t even want to put it ..... Question ... Are there any fixes for this?
 @Mister_Tails121 ["The Ubports installer gsi from Erefan doesn’t start, but he doesn’t even BEGIN …], "Developer: This is a problem, he doesn’t even BECOME AB; nothing in the files does not CHANGE all the sections he looked" … (Oh ... It’s a pity that you can’t send it right away and you have to go through Googke Translate first .
[12:42] <ubptgbot> ... Inconveniently)
 There is a russian tg if it can help: https://t.me/UBports_Ru
 @Mister_Tails121 ["Developer: This is a problem, he doesn’t even BECOME AB; nothing in the files d …], it flashes to /data, not /system
 @libremax [There is a russian tg if it can help: https://t.me/UBports_Ru], Thanks
 Hi, quick search didn't bring any results so I'm asking: my screen broke and is completely black. I have custom recovery installed and a custom rom, but when runnin adb devices in terminal it says unauthorized. Since I have TWRP, is there any way to create a complete backup through TWRP, ADB and the Linux terminal? Can I boot into recovery
[12:54] <ubptgbot> somehow and run commands there?
 Oh, I'm on OnePlus 3
 @NotKit [it flashes to /data, not /system], Developer: I know, but the date (rootfs) should change according to the installation script, I looked at 8gb but this does not happen
 eh, it should put two files (android-rootfs.img and rootfs.img to /data)
 ramdisk takes care of setting up loopback devices
[13:02] <ubptgbot> <Vera Lucia Gold> (Photo, 495x834) https://irc.ubports.com/uFz3wq4D.png OMG
 @Mister_Tails121 [Developer: I know, but the date (rootfs) should change according to the installa …], For some reason, the system section which where the previous axis was located is not formatted in it, the old axis after installing unports installer
 that's normal
 @Vera Lucia Gold [<reply to media>], SPAM
 write in Halium group please, it's really offtopic here
 Also report the message on Telegram so they can delete the account.
 @NotKit [write in Halium group please, it's really offtopic here], Can you drop a link to the group please?
 @halium
 Thanks
[13:36] <ubptgbot> areidx was added by: areidx
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/drul1VUx.png Does anyone know any solution to the problem with Bluetooth mouse? It stucks on "Connecting...". With Android, that mouse works.
 @vtsoft [<reply to media>], what device?
 @Shakendo [what device?], Nexus 5
 BT on UT in general does have issues with connecting to some things, such as car infotainment systems, I would say turn BT off wait 10 seconds then turn it back on and try again, if it still doesnt connect then your mouse may be one of those device UT has trouble connecting to with BT
 General questions, are there any good, affordable bluetooth mice on the market?
 [Edit] General question, are there any good, affordable bluetooth mice on the market?
 Logitech M350...XD
 Can use Bluetooth & USB receiver
 @Shakendo [BT on UT in general does have issues with connecting to some things, such as car …], However, It's seems it might be better with next OTA
 yeah, but it could still have some issues cause as (I think it was) Dalton said, we dont own every single device on the market, so we cant say for sure
 @wayneTBT [Even though SSH access is enabled in the phone.  I need to go to the terminal an …], The next time you have to do this, have a look at what shows up for SSH in UTTT.  The switch there represents the current state of the SSH service.  If it's already enabled, then there may be some other network issue plaguing you.
 @vtsoft [<reply to media>], what version of BT does it use? and is it BLE? … my mouse has a BLE and 3.0 mode and only 3.0 works well
 @Javacookies [I was expecting that confusion 😅 … mircast is for recording UT's screen … mirAcast …], *Mirscreencast, @javacookies you did that purpose didn't you :p … @wayneTBT glad to hear
 @mintphin [tried to do what you said and now the terminal app is crashing @Javacookies], I got a custom vim layout from myii if you want to try
 @Fuseteam [*Mirscreencast, @javacookies you did that purpose didn't you :p … @wayneTBT glad …], no, I expected that confusion from me because  I really forgot the name 😂
 Lol
 [Edit] Lol sure you did 😂
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/309CdDyq.json
 Fwd from imraniqbal: Put that under … ~/.config/ubuntu-terminal-app/Layouts/
 @mintphin you can ofcourse customize it to your liking
 @imraniqbal [The next time you have to do this, have a look at what shows up for SSH in UTTT. …], Thanks for your reply.  UTTT shows SSH as enabled.  If I try to SSH to the phone, connection refused.  When I go to the terminal app in UT and type 'sudo service ssh start' and then go back to my pc and and SSH into the phone, it works fine.
[15:22] <ubptgbot>   It just seems like weird behaviour to me.
 @wayneTBT [Thanks for your reply.  UTTT shows SSH as enabled.  If I try to SSH to the phone …], Here's something you can try, to exclude the SSH service itself as the actual problem: try pinging the device from your PC.  If that doesn't work, try pinging your PC from your device.  If you get ping responses, SSH should work without need
[15:24] <ubptgbot> ing to be "re-enabled".
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], UTTT should offer prebuilt layouts for the terminal … @imraniqbal  what do you think? 😁
 Uh-oh 🙈
 @Javacookies [UTTT should offer prebuilt layouts for the terminal … @imraniqbal  what do you thi …], Interesting idea; shouldn't we be enhancing the Terminal app itself with layouts?  Or are we speaking about everyone having their own custom OSK layouts?
 Couldn't the terminal offer prebuilt layouts for the terminal?
 It already does but we need more :p
 @imraniqbal [Interesting idea; shouldn't we be enhancing the Terminal app itself with layouts …], well it would be better if it's in the terminal itself … I'm just thinking of protoyping it in UTTT 😅
 Tho tbh if the terminal had sticky modifiers that would take care of my needs
 Not sure what it needs to do that tho
 Already opened a issue about it a while ago fwiw
 @UniversalSuperBox [Couldn't the terminal offer prebuilt layouts for the terminal?], One issue I can see, though — my Vim layout is specific to my personal Vim configuration and wouldn't work perfectly for another user who has their own Vim configuration.
 Same with me hehe
 So it needs a better editor or impprter of sorts?
 Unless the Terminal app itself handled whatever custom layouts you'd like added.
 I suppose that one approach
 [Edit] I suppose that's one approach
 @UniversalSuperBox [So it needs a better editor or impprter of sorts?], I'd suggest the main issue is just knowing that it can be done in the first place — so if the Terminal app could allow me to manage custom layouts, I could supply as main or few as I liked.
 @UniversalSuperBox [So it needs a better editor or impprter of sorts?], [Edit] I'd suggest the main issue is just knowing that it can be done in the first place — so if the Terminal app could allow me to manage custom layouts, I could supply as many or few as I liked.
 Yes, and currently it can only be done if you know how to place your files in the exact folder
 That's right, I believe that's the main issue.
 the shortcuts i miss are the alt-shortcut but adding to my vim la— maybe i should make a alt layout hmmmm
 @Federica Galli [The point is that I don't have an android, i have an iphone and if i install UT …], Fdroid for most things but obviously not Whatsapp
 [Edit] the shortcuts i miss are the alt-shortcut but adding to my vim la— maybe i should make an alt layout hmmmm
 Okay, implementing content-hub and a file picker will be about as difficult in yhe terminal as in the tweak tool
 @UniversalSuperBox [Okay, implementing content-hub and a file picker will be about as difficult in y …], Oh, one other issue is validating the JSON.  It would be excellent if that could be done as part of the process, rather than users scratching their heads when it doesn't work.
 Also the same difficulty in tweak tool or the terminal
 @Fuseteam [the shortcuts i miss are the alt-shortcut but adding to my vim la— maybe i shoul …], Why not edit the Vim layout with your own preferences?
 so maybe some kind of a repo of community-created layouts
 I'd suggest just implementing layout import from content-hub first, then implement throwing the layout out when it fails to load
 Then deletion of layouts you've imported
 @imraniqbal [Why not edit the Vim layout with your own preferences?], I did, if added all the shorcuts i wanted to that one layout it would make it unwieldly as it would add at least 96 alt shorcut iirc
 yeah, that's a good start I guess
 @Javacookies [so maybe some kind of a repo of community-created layouts], This sounds like an interesting idea; they might not be exactly what you're after but would be a decent starting point for making your own custom layouts.
 and maybe an option to make the bar 2 rows? … there are extra vertical space with the pinephone 😄
 so who's up for doing it? 😁
 @somebody
 XD
 Wait i think i tried alt shortcuts but they didn't work yet due to how the terminal currently works lol
 @Fuseteam [Wait i think i tried alt shortcuts but they didn't work yet due to how the termi …], Are you sure?  I've got ~6 `alt` shortcuts in the Vim layout and they appear to work fine...
 (Photo, 606x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/DFK09Mps.png Screenshot (7 jun. 2020 18:23:37)
 Almost here
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/AjQjwdVZ.webp
 Still waiting for asendia updates :(
 Today is 7th so... maybe forum post will be updated soon, or not ... all depends on asendia  :(
 patience
 the longer it takes, a better UT we will get
 Yees, it makes  sense, but anyway, some clear estimates will be good for me  :)
 it's bummer though that there seems to be a hardware issue that stops video out on working.  I'm not sure about the exact details 😅
 @vtsoft [<reply to media>], I don't own the device, but maybe you can try ```bluetoothctl``` and see if you can connect...
 Please refrain from spreading possible misinformation until Pine officially makes a statement.
[17:15] <ubptgbot> Andy was added by: Andy
 it doesn't looks good
 @jackiemoore [Please refrain from spreading possible misinformation until Pine officially make …], Yes, we all  have to wait for notification from Lukasz
 lets wait then
 @jackiemoore [Please refrain from spreading possible misinformation until Pine officially make …], Misinformation about what
 hope for the best
 @pizzabroodje [Misinformation about what], Not stirring the pot. Sorry! Read past messages if you want more information.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0Pm7kgVm.png whats wrong? Can i'm install android app on my device , without PC? Mido
 is anbox installed and running?
 @dohbee [is anbox installed and running?], Yeah i think
 @jackiemoore [Not stirring the pot. Sorry! Read past messages if you want more information.], i wouldn't call asking questions about support or stating something doesn't work, on someone's own existing pinephone device, either misinformation or stirring the pot
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/MYIMPmdF.png But icon is not showing
 pull down to refresh
 you should have the android clock and settings apps for example
 I will restart it
 i don't know if anbox even works on that device
 And i feel confused , how to install Android app
 well install f-droid, aurora droid, aurora store, etc… apk with adb, then you can run that directly in anbox to install apps
 assuming you can get anbox to work
 @dohbee [well install f-droid, aurora droid, aurora store, etc… apk with adb, then you ca …], Giveme tutorial for it , i'm a newbie on Linux and Ubuntu 😂
 i guess you need to ask the porter of your device about whether anbox works on it or not. but anbox on UT is very experimental still
 most of the docs in general at https://docs.anbox.io of course should apply
 @dohbee [i guess you need to ask the porter of your device about whether anbox works on i …], Okay , thanks , i will go xda post for seeing
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 @imraniqbal [Are you sure?  I've got ~6 alt shortcuts in the Vim layout and they appear to wo …], Well not in the way i intend them to work anyway :p … I use alt shortcut with the "alt sends escape" feature on other terminals, the ut terminal doesn't seem to send escape
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[20:24] <ubptgbot> Dennis was added by: Dennis
 How can i buy the pinephone ?
 Hi, I want to sideload a zip from my pc to my nexus 5. How can I do that from the Ubuntu touch recovery settings?
 Ubuntu Touch is not Android, you cannot sideload Android zips to it.
 @Dennis [How can i buy the pinephone ?], The PinePhone is currently out of stock, you will need to wait for the next batch
 @UniversalSuperBox [Ubuntu Touch is not Android, you cannot sideload Android zips to it.], 👍 Can I flash an img with fastboot instead?
 What exactly are you trying to do?
 I want to switch from UT to Lineage (I need nfc).
 Install LineageOS using the instructions on their website
[20:41] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @Dennis [How can i buy the pinephone ?], It's sold out, but there's another project: https://volla.online/ (also sold with ubuntu touch)
 Well, that's we're I'm stuck: the instructions say to sideload to the devicrm
 You'll need to download and use TWRP for your device
 [Edit] Well, that's where I'm stuck: the instructions say to sideload to the devicrm
 Why can't I flash directly?
 Because the UBports Recovery is not an Android recovery and doesn't correctly implement the needed things to install Android ROMs
 @Federica Galli [It's sold out, but there's another project: https://volla.online/ (also sold wit …], Deliver will be in October or November.. there's another option to get faster a ubuntu touch phone ?
 @Ghrfr [Well, that's where I'm stuck: the instructions say to sideload to the devicrm], pretty sure the first thing the instructions mention TWRP
 Are you sure trwp can be installed then? The install is with fastboot flash too
 yes
 fastboot is to flash recovery, adb is once booted to recovery to sideload the image
 @dohbee [pretty sure the first thing the instructions mention TWRP], Https://Wiki.Lineageos.org/devices/hammerhead/install
 @dohbee [pretty sure the first thing the instructions mention TWRP], [Edit] Not mentioned here: … Https://Wiki.Lineageos.org/devices/hammerhead/install
 @Ghrfr [Not mentioned here: … Https://Wiki.Lineageos.org/devices/hammerhead/install], literally the second instruction https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/hammerhead/install#installing-a-custom-recovery-using-fastboot
[20:49] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @Dennis [Deliver will be in October or November.. there's another option to get faster a …], i've bought a 2nd hand OnePlus 1.
 I'm so blind. Sorry man
 @Federica Galli [i've bought a 2nd hand OnePlus 1.], Thank you :) I give it a try to flash by myself
[21:03] <ubptgbot> Виктория Мещерякова was added by: Виктория Мещерякова
 I don’t understand why everyone so desires the pinephone. Its only advantage is the native drivers (without libhybris). I understand why someone buys a pinephone if he needs a reference device for development ubuntu touch/postmarketos, but if he needs a smartphone for developing software for operating system (like a messenger or a calculat
[21:05] <ubptgbot> or) and phone for everyday use it's not a good choice because of its poor performance and high price.
 Guys, in which programming language dev can make an app for ubuntu touch?
 [Edit] Guys, in which programming language a dev can make an app for ubuntu touch?
 @vtsoft [I don’t understand why everyone so desires the pinephone. Its only advantage is …], So which phone do you prefer for everyday?
 @GuyFawkes [Guys, in which programming language a dev can make an app for ubuntu touch?], https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/index.html
 @Gogi [https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/index.html], Thanks
 @vtsoft [I don’t understand why everyone so desires the pinephone. Its only advantage is …], high price? it's $150. brand new. i paid $800 for a google pixel
 @dohbee [high price? it's $150. brand new. i paid $800 for a google pixel], 350 for pixel 4a
 anyway, the performance is being improved
 and buying the pinephone actually supports the community, and you avoid the android compatibility complexities
 That right there. Perfectly stated!
 [Edit] That right there. ^^ Perfectly stated!
 if you think it's not for you, that's fine, but the comments of "why would anyone buy this?" are just not helpful and a bit rude toward those of use working toward a more open future in mobile devices
 (Photo, 665x484) https://irc.ubports.com/nOJWBpxM.png Okay, let's look on other devices that can run ubuntu touch...
 @vtsoft [<reply to media>], "poor performance" is debateable and also relative. If the phone can makes calls, send messages, browse the internet and play Youtube videos with ease. Then I think most will agree that it is not "poor performance"
 If you just want to develop for UT then you can buy a used Nexus5, sure.
 [Edit] If you just want to develop for UT then you can buy a used Nexus 5, sure.
 @vtsoft [<reply to media>], only look at them if you're considering original retail. remember those devices also have problems, such as the failing power and volume buttons on nexus 5, etc…
 @JJW88 ["poor performance" is debateable and also relative. If the phone can makes calls …], some optimizations can help make it usable in 2020, but can’t the development always stand still, ensuring the operation of devices with SoC from 2012-2013? it’s very strange to release this now. Postmarketos aiming 10 year life-cycle for smartphon
[21:29] <ubptgbot> es, and this cycle for pinephone is ending now.
 @vtsoft [some optimizations can help make it usable in 2020, but can’t the development al …], if you don't like it and don't want to support the community that way, then fine, don't buy one. but please stop with the rhetoric of your personal opinion because it doesn't apply to everyone
 if you want to complain about performance and pricing, maybe direct your consternation in a different direction, like the Librem 5, which has roughly the same specs as the PinePhone, but is about five times the price
 but anyway, it's really off topic here. whether you want to buy one or not is up to you. no need for you to rant about it in here
 Man I miss my nexus 5
 I'm getting a new phone soon and heard that there's an (unofficial?) version of ubports for mido, I'm so excited to test it!
 @Dennis [Thank you :) I give it a try to flash by myself], That phone is fine but you can check the whole list
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 Which phone will be good too for normal using ? Oneplus one is not available anywhere..
 Xperia X is great. You may even find unused
 OP3 and OP3T
[21:52] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> Still, you might want to try with a cheap 2nd hand OP1 first, and if you like UT then you can think of something new and more expensive. Like maybe the Volla phone in November.
 photography.ubuntu-touch.io if the camera is of interest
 A question about the devices page, how is the maturity score decided? Is there some rules to define it, or is it more a feeling thing?
[22:52] <ubptgbot> <Виктория Мещерякова> (Photo, 440x800) https://irc.ubports.com/z0DebfTR.png SUPER
[23:01] <ubptgbot> Alexey Gridnev was added by: Alexey Gridnev
[23:02] <ubptgbot> <Alexey Gridnev> Hi! Got a question: is "ubports" channel on LBRY actually yours? Or is someone just uploads your streams there?
[23:05] <ubptgbot> <Alexey Gridnev> *uploading
 It's ours
 is there any special magic needed to reach a OnePlus 3 over adb?
 it wont show up
 @matv1 [is there any special magic needed to reach a OnePlus 3 over adb?], On Windows or Linux?
 linux
 whats that other OS you said? any good ??
 jk
 hm, a first step would be to check if you even see anything in dmesg when you plug it in
 maybe try `adb kill-server; sudo adb start-server`, might be udev rules
 @matv1 [whats that other OS you said? any good ??], no
 kill and restart adb server doesnt help :(
 dmesg tell me nothing either excpet it does see the device being attached
 cables are all good. if i attach the Pro5 its perfectly happy to adb to it


[00:36] <ubptgbot> <Sumeet Kumar> Question: Why am i unable to install stuff from terminal like irssi for example on UT
 you aren't doing it inside a chroot or libertine
 the rootfs is readonly because phones are not PCs
[00:55] <ubptgbot> cahyonoabdullah was added by: cahyonoabdullah
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/2bRGtUcU.png
 unity8 on teh desktop is working again
 Neat!
 I'm assuming that's bionic?
 yep
 with mir 0.31.2
 nice!
 Ah, is that with the workaround in issue #22 for the desktop install tools?
 nope, it's with another workaround
 oh?
 sudo chown -R $USER /dev/input … $ QML_BAD_GUI_RENDER_LOOP=1 QT_QPA_PLATFORM=mirserver unity8
 hit refresh on #22  issue
 i followed this work arround
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1039/18-04-desktop-getting-it-working-again
 Hı all … Is thıs panel also for troubleshootıng?
 Sure. Shhot!
 [Edit] Sure. Shoot!
 I made a lot of use of shutter … Sınce upgradıng to 18, ıt wont work … Is there a fıx, or do ı have to waıt a bıt?
 @damaged_i, Are you talking about the phone or the desktopn
 Desktop actually … I understood that thıs was for unıty ın general
 This group is about Ubuntu Touch you would be better off asking in #ubuntu on freenode irc or on askubuntu.com for desktop related questions. We don't really have anything to do with that here
 @popescu_sorin, Please add a progress note on the forum: https://forums.ubports.com/category/36/unity8 (it's easier for folks to find than scrollback)
 Welcome @cahyonoabdullah !!! Check this put for more about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @alan_griffiths, done :D
 Hi, is there any option, to  get carddav implementation from the UT Interface to use with webdav on my homeserver?
 So I installed UT 16.04 on my Bq m10 out of curiosity. Found libertine is broken? But anbox works👍
 Then went back to 15.04 and found libertine works but anbox doesnt(I knew that).
 Does one of these combinations almost work (either anbox on 15.04 or  preferably libertine on 16.04) or are they both thoroughly broken?
 Libertine will be fixed for 16.04 yes
 @Flohack I always read your ending 'yes' as 'ja' 😋
 hehe
 @YougoChats, anbox will not be added to any 15.04 devices at all, as i understand
 @YougoChats, If you create a new libertine container based on 16.04 does it work? Your 15.04 container probably isn't working because it's 15.04.
 or is your issue just the scope not working?
 Well the container-manager app has no install candidate, which i kind of expected, but also indeed the desktop apps scope was empty, even though apps were reported as installed successfully. I switched back to 15.04 and the scope showed apps, but they wouldn’t start. Then I installed the manager app, removed the container and cre
[15:49] <ubptgbot> ated a new container and things started to work
 [Edit] Well the container-manager app has no install candidate for 16.04, which i kind of expected, but also indeed the desktop apps scope was empty, even though apps were reported as installed successfully. I switched back to 15.04 and the scope showed apps, but they wouldn’t start. Then I installed the manager app, removed the
[15:56] <ubptgbot> container and created a new container and things started to work
 the scope doesn't work in 16.04 because it's compiled against 15.04 libs, so it just fails to run (and so you get no results in the UI) (yes, this is known to not be good UI, but it never got fixed)
 you should be able to create a 16.04 container under 16.04 though
 maybe there's an issue where things break if you've already got a 15.04 container though?
 I think the container was created fine. Just the scope that was broken. After I switched back to 15.04, I guess I had a 16.04 container on 15.04, which also wouldn’t work? Hence the solution to wipe the container and make a new one.
 I guess the only thing really broken then is the scope, which needs to be rebuilt along with all the other user facing GUI stuff
 For which I saw a guide swoop by this morning
 Do I understand it right that scopes aren’t going to be a focus for ubports in the long run?
 Unity 8 eventually getting its own dash and all.
 the plan is to remove scopes, as i understand
 i don't think the app drawer unity8 is in the 16.04 images though
 No, not yet
 No it isn’t.
 Not yet sounds good
 Was the source code secured? It floated in some silo last time I heard
 the app drawer was already in trunk
 but it's incomplete
 can any one help me?
 with what?
 i will pm you
 please ask your question in the group
 its little embaressing!!
 it is something to do with UT right?
 Doesnt matter. tell us
 Yees
 i want to contribute, but seriouslly i dont know where to start!!!
 What are your skills
 well, surely you have an idea of what type of contribution you'd like to make, no?
 yes development
 i am an engineering student
 but i want to learn
 consider me as a novice
 my suggestion is to find an issue you want to solve for yourself
 contributing for the sake of contribution will likely not help either yourself or the project you're trying to contribute to
 not for the sake of contribution
 unless that contribution is a monetary donation perhaps
 i want to learn how it works
 and contribute to it so it grows
 What skill sdo you have in terms of programming?
 i am a big fan of linux and particular in ubuntu distro
 cpp & python
 java basics
 still that is extremely vague
 cause i am still learning
 you'll need something more specific. otherwise the only real answer is "read the source"
 specific for example?
 i mean "i want to learn how it works" is very vague. what it?
 there are thousands of it pieces that make up an entire useful system
 Plus in our special case a lot of packages are not even maintained by ourselves 😆
 well that's true even for a full distro
 thats it, So asking for how "Ubuntu" works would be the same aimless effort
 how deep the rabbit hole does go
 i think i am standing outside the hole
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/CQkbwpb0.webp
 @gostranger take a look at "good first issues" and see if you can help with that … https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/labels/good%20first%20issue
 ok
 @gostranger, Do you have a device running UT, or unity 8 running in on ubuntu 16.04 on x86 in a VM?
 i am using ubuntu 16.04 as my default desktop!!!
 i dont use windows
 ok, but that is very different from the UT/phone stack, or unity8
 or are you asking about contributing more generally to ubuntu itself, rather than to ubports/UT?
 no
 ubports/UT
 do you have any of the supported devices?
 No
 does your CPU support virtualization?
 yes
 it supports
 supports vmx
[18:56] <ubptgbot> Velichin was added by: Velichin
 @Velichin, Hi Stanislav, welcome. Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 👍🏻
 How is it going the combat against alien invaders? Are we winning?
 [Edit] How is the combat going against alien invaders? Are we winning?
 @gostranger maybe starting with developing an app would be easier and already help you to understand some things about Ubuntu Touch. But honestly I doubt you will get very far with your ambitions without using Ubuntu Touch yourself. Or at least using Unity8 in a VM.
 @gostranger, ok. then first thing i would suggest you do is to install ubuntu 16.04 in a vm, and then install the unity8 stack in that, so you can use it a bit there
 ok
 then maybe you can find something more specific that you'd like to work on
 cool
 i will message you after setting it up!!
 Polling the chat: was there ever a problem logged in Mir or QtMir with phantom touches or touches way off from their actual point? While troubleshooting an issue with the keyboard dismissing itself, I've found that we get touch end points that are +/-500 pixels from their physical end
 Sometimes off the bottom of the screen, which is 100% impossible
 i don't recall
 @UniversalSuperBox, @anpok would be the one to asj
 Is there a dual boot software from ubports or just the single boot installer?
 @Myrdynsheppard, dual boot is not supported
 Is it possible for ubports to use this as reference and create a dual boot installer? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/ubuntu-touch-android-dual-boot-preview-released
 I still have problems with rar archives in Ubuntu Phone.Any help?
 @Myrdynsheppard, Not happening
 multirom support requires custom buildscripts
 @Eida2018, please elaborate on what 'problems' you are having
[20:47] <ubptgbot> Robin algo was added by: Kev
 i dont know to open rar archives in my phone
 I can not to do:unrar x -ppassword like in Gnu/Linux
 Is ubports ever going to do work with Samsung Devices or are samsung devices a waste of time?
 @Myrdynsheppard, They're more troublesome to port, but might work, there was some S7 shown working
 @Eida2018, You need to create a libertine container and install unrar in it, then you can run unrar inside that container
 it has nothing to do with "gnu/linux". UT is still gnu/linux
 it's just with a readonly root filesystem
 Ok,thank you
 @Myrdynsheppard, There are people working on ports
 @Myrdynsheppard, i am working on a Samsung Galaxy S8+ port :P
 @vanyasem Won't that be easy since its sorta been done for the Samsung Dex System?
 @Myrdynsheppard, it's not related at all
 it's super complicated and hard
[20:57] <ubptgbot> OwnCreatorStudio was added by: OwnCreatorStudio
 @OwnCreatorStudio, Welcome Артур :D
 @OwnCreatorStudio, [Edit] Welcome, Артур :D
 Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get started
 Hi! How I can help you and join your team? I'm a UX/UI designer
 also be sure to check out @ubports_ru
 @OwnCreatorStudio, dispatching @UniversalSuperBox
 what is it that you wish to dseign?
 Interfaces...
 @dohbee, btw my mother has mistaken UBports for iOS today
 @dohbee  i am getting error
 i decided to gift her a Nexus 5 :P she has an iPhone now
 heh
 the following packages have unment dependencies
 qtmir-desktop
 i want to buy N5 with ubuntu or sfos for my grandma as well >~>
 qtubuntu-appmenutheme
 @OwnCreatorStudio, nothing specific?
 etc
 @gostranger, https://paste.ubuntu.com/ to pastebin your errors
 @dohbee, What do you mean?
 k
 @OwnCreatorStudio, have you used UT at all? Or unity8 shell on a PC?
 Unity8 on PC, yes
 I have not N5 e.g. yet
 To check UT on phone
 @OwnCreatorStudio, and are there any specific issues you have with the current design? have you documented them?
 Maybe. I'm just looking for job in community. And I believe that we can make more modern UI in Ubuntu Touch. I want to try me in this field
 the best way to do that is to find something specific you want to work on, do the work, and submit the changes
[21:35] <ubptgbot> <Zoran Aleksic> (Photo, 1920x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/CEzAnxV2.png
[21:35] <ubptgbot> <Zoran Aleksic> (Photo, 1920x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/pSLvD5nM.png
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/UErs1q0g.png
 Zoran what was that for?
[21:41] <ubptgbot> <Zoran Aleksic> there was a supplent,420 mb...extra
[21:43] <ubptgbot> <Zoran Aleksic> supplement..
[21:46] <ubptgbot> <Zoran Aleksic> i got the impression that the bq phone did not go far...
[21:48] <ubptgbot> <Zoran Aleksic> do you agree..
 I don't understand what you're asked by, sorry.
 @OwnCreatorStudio, You can join the UX group @UBports_UX
[22:02] <ubptgbot> <Zoran Aleksic> this version is on 15.04 (3). and is now 15.04 (15) bit. beter...
 @Zoran Aleksic, No, that's the old version from canonical I guess. It is old and unsupported
[22:31] <ubptgbot> intoxikated was added by: intoxikated
 Welcome @intoxikated !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
[23:05] <ubptgbot> Max Headroom was added by: Max Headroom
 Welcome Max !!! Check out this to get you started! If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or in our Welcome and Install room! https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[23:15] <ubptgbot> <Max Headroom> I Hope this is the LG Google Nexus 5 Hammerhead Channel, which is Crippled by me in my Failed attempt 2 Uninstall UbPorts, as a Consequence it's Hanging / Stuck on the Google Splash Screen w/ the Unlocked Padlock icon on a Black background. Currently When I Press the Vol. Down Button While I Press the Power On Button I get the
[23:15] <ubptgbot> Green Robot w/ Power Off or Start or Restart Bootloader or Recovery Mode Options. Choosing the Latter brings up UbPorts Recovery which has the following Options, Reboot System Now or Ubuntu Actions or Android Actions or Reboot to Bootloader or Power Down or View Recovery Logs. if I Go 2 Recovery Logs & Select /cache/recovery/last_log etc it brings
[23:15] <ubptgbot> up the Orange UbPorts installing update logo / message, But this is just a Parked Up - False Alarm!...
 @popescu_sorin, tdesktop seems to run fine on mir
 @Max Headroom, it's not specifically that, but you're likely close enough
 or is it the wayland layer of mir now
[23:17] <ubptgbot> <Max Headroom> Please Help Me Out of This Nitemare, ideally I'd like 2 get Lineage on this or TWRP or CWM Recovery...
[23:17] <ubptgbot> <Max Headroom> I've installed The Magic Device Tool & it Looks like a Great Tool, But because I'd installed UbPorts 15.04 My LG Google Nexus 5 Hammerhead it has UbPorts BootLoader instead of FastBoot, which is what the Magic Device Tool is Looking for or eXpecting, so Consequently the Magic Device Tools returns Device Not found when I attempt
[23:17] <ubptgbot>  2 install Ubuntu, OpenStore, Lineage, Maru OS, Sailfish, Factory image, TWRP Recovery, Back Up, Lock / UnLock, Anything!
 it doesnt have ubports bootloader
 it still has fastboot
 the green android is fastboot
[23:19] <ubptgbot> <Max Headroom> Oh Yea' Doh!
 If you want lineage follow the instructions to flash from bootloader
[23:30] <ubptgbot> <Max Headroom> whY won't the Magic Device Tool work Now? & I've SumHow Lost the Webpage Link!...
 Magic Device Tool is mostly abandoned at this point. Follow the instructions on the LineageOS wiki and join their support channels for more help.
[23:40] <ubptgbot> <Max Headroom> Thanx All 4 your Help 😃K


[08:14] <flxfoo> hi all
[08:14] <flxfoo> sorry to bother again for a quick one.
[08:14] <flxfoo> rax asked me to try changing the flavor (trying to bootstrap a new controller)
[08:15] <flxfoo> list of "flavors" name contains spaces character
[08:16] <flxfoo> so if I use `instance-type=4GB Standard Instance` that does not work... as juju client will consider `Standard` and `Instance` as parameters... Of course I tried to escape space character but with mo luck
[08:16] <flxfoo> does anyone has some ideas for that?
[08:32] <achilleasa> flxfoo: AFAICT from looking at the constraints parsing code, we currently split the constraint list on space so this (or any other key-value constraint combination with spaces for that matter) will not work.
[08:33] <achilleasa> flxfoo: Can you create a bug for this?
[08:36] <flxfoo> achilleasa: ok, where do I do that?
[08:37] <achilleasa> flxfoo: you can create a new one here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+filebug
[08:46] <flxfoo> ok I created a bug
[08:46] <flxfoo> is there anything I can do meanwhile?
[08:51] <achilleasa> flxfoo: are the instance types aliased or something that you can rename? Btw, what provider are you using?
[08:55] <flxfoo> achilleasa: provider is rackspace
[08:55] <achilleasa> flxfoo: if it's a blocker and you don't mind compiling juju I can push a branch with a quick patch which will allow you to use something like '\ ' to escape spaces till we fix the bug
[08:56] <flxfoo> achilleasa: it looks like juju by default uses flavorId = 5, is there a parameter to pass to juju to update that?
[08:58] <flxfoo> achilleasa: the blocking situation is that, rax deleted an image which the current ctrl would use to create containers, so the platform is pretty unmanageable. On top of that, the current ctrl has been bootstraped using a custom simplestream  because the image list provided by rackspace is empty.
[08:59] <flxfoo> achilleasa: so I though to bootstrap a new ctrl with a new image id (that rax provided me) in order to migrate the model, so at least I can do something.
[09:01] <achilleasa> flxfoo: if you pass "general1-4" as the instance type does it work?
[09:03] <achilleasa> flxfoo: oh wait, according to https://developer.rackspace.com/docs/cloud-servers/v2/general-api-info/flavors/ ID 5 corresponds to the one you are trying to use (4gb standard instance)?
[09:03] <flxfoo> achilleasa: tried it nope, it returns the list of available flavors which the ones with spaces
[09:03] <flxfoo> achilleasa: yeah (my bad) I should have tried another one, but the issue remains with the spaces...
[09:04] <flxfoo> achilleasa: this is rax support answer: It looks like the issue with the command is that you're attempting to create a boot from volume Standard flavor server. Standard flavor servers don't have the ability to use a CBS volume as the system disk. You'll either want to try the command without the flags for BlockDeviceMappings or choose a different server flavor such as General Purpose:
[09:07] <achilleasa> I see. As mentioned, I can push a branch with a patch to get you unblocked until the bug is fixed
[09:09] <flxfoo> achilleasa: thanks
[09:11] <flxfoo> achilleasa: just a silly question, I suppose I can not create an instance on rackspace and tell juju to use it to setup the controller?
[09:13] <achilleasa> flxfoo: you probably can if you set it up as a manual cloud (https://juju.is/docs/manual-cloud). Don't have access to rackspace so I can't verify this though...
[09:14] <flxfoo> achilleasa: thanks for your time
[09:36] <achilleasa> flxfoo: if you checkout (https://github.com/achilleasa/juju/tree/2.7-support-escaped-spaces-in-constraints) in $GOPATH/juju/juju and run 'make install' you will have a juju cli that supports constraints with slash-escaped spaces
[09:51] <achilleasa> flxfoo: FYI, there is another related bug for zones with spaces and the fix for that (currently in review) will also take care of the issue you are having without the need to manually escape spaces
[09:59] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11506 fix for intermittent test failure
[10:00] <stickupkid_> thumper, I'll check that one
[10:00] <stickupkid_> thumper, any QA steps, other than hammer the test with -race?
[10:36] <stickupkid_> manadart, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11412#issuecomment-620525235
[10:41] <thumper> stickupkid_: nah
[10:41] <thumper> stickupkid_: it took 10 - 20 minutes to replicate on my machine
[10:41] <stickupkid_> thumper, I tried whilst waiting for aws to bootstrap and couldn't replicate
[10:41] <thumper> yeah, that's cause I fixed it :)
[10:42] <stickupkid_> before hand
[10:42] <stickupkid_> haha
[10:42] <thumper> ah... yeah, it took me a long time
[11:32] <stickupkid_> anybody tried rebuilding dependencies for 2.7 branch
[11:59] <stickupkid_> juju ssh 0 -m controller <- why does that not work and this does -> juju ssh -m controller 0
[12:00] <stickupkid_> we totally we should have done juju ssh 0 -m controller -- bash
[13:08] <timClicks> are storage pools model-level entities or cloud-level ones? if I run create-storage-pool in model a, will it be available from other models?
[14:05] <hml> timClicks: they seem to be model-level from my experience
[14:22] <hml> stickupkid: ran qa on 11412 with new code - success, though what is “ERROR no available address(es)” from at the end?
[14:22] <stickupkid> hml, yeah, that's fine it's trying to get the engine reports
[14:22] <stickupkid> hml, it's optional at best
[14:23] <hml> stickupkid: rgr
[14:23] <hml> udpate my results in the pr
[15:54] <jam> axino, looking at your charm code, I don't see install or start being handled, just config-changed/leader-elected/upgrade-charm
[15:54] <axino> jam: yeah but the "hooks" directory has a "start" symlink to charm.py
[15:55] <jam> axino, gotcha. I would also create an install symlink. You can have both and that should handle 2.7.3 and 2.8
[15:55] <axino> jam: indeed, indeed. This is what the official operator doc says currently
[15:55] <axino> I think I'll just resolve this bug
[15:57] <axino> done
[15:57] <axino> sorry for the noise o/
[16:04] <jam> axino, np. I think it is very good to understand changes between releases


[08:40] <Nothing_Much> What's the difference between Click and Snappy packages again?
[20:09] <ahoneybun> mhall119: still kicking?


[09:20] <Fudge> hi
[09:25] <davmor2> Fudge: hi
[09:49] <Fudge> davmor2:  how u going
[13:10] <mterry> mzanetti: ual-launcher code hasn't landed yet
[13:10] <mzanetti> lol
[13:10] <mzanetti> oops :D
[13:10] <mzanetti> sorry mterry
[13:10] <mzanetti> I wonder why it happens then
[13:11] <mzanetti> I'm so sure this used to work, as I created all that file watcher thing exactly for this use case
[13:11] <mzanetti> and I am not aware of any other changes so far
[13:11] <mzanetti> will check it out myself then
[13:11] <mterry> Though I should probably update ual-launcher to get rid of the filewatcher and replace it with something else...
[13:11] <mterry> slash test that this situation works with ual-launcher
[13:14] <mterry> UAL doesn't offer that sort of functionality...  So I'll keep the filewatcher as is... But it won't work for snap packages
[13:14] <mterry> I'll file a bug for UAL
[13:15] <mzanetti> cool, thanks
[13:21] <mterry> mzanetti: how do we get notified of app installs, to know to add the icon?
[13:21] <mzanetti> mterry, we don't need to auto-add the app... the user does that
[13:22] <mterry> mzanetti: ah right, I thought we did auto-add.  Cool, thanks
[13:23] <mterry> mzanetti, tedg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-app-launch/+bug/1630997
[13:27] <tedg> mterry: Had one for that, but gonna dup it to yours as you wrote a better description ;-)
[13:27] <mterry> tedg: oh hah didn't notice.  cool
[13:31] <om26er> mzanetti, re: talking to unity8 to get orientation and pointer position. We can only talk to unity8 if QT_LOAD_TESTABILITY=1 is exported into the env.
[13:31] <mzanetti> yes
[13:31] <mzanetti> which is the main requirement for autopilot to work anyways
[13:32] <om26er> mzanetti, no really only the app could export that and be introspectable
[13:32] <rawhide> dash becomes invisible pretty quick after a boot. Restarting unity does not fix - only restarting the machine. Any idears?
[13:32] <om26er> there is no need to restart unity8 for the tool to work for someone
[13:37] <rawhide> correction: dash doesn't become invisible. More like squeezed into the corner and unable to open / unfold.
[13:39] <mterry> mzanetti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1631003
[13:39] <rawhide> turns out it breaks after a few uses when the launcher bar is located in the bottom. Top or left solves it.
[13:40] <mzanetti> Trevinho, this seems u7 ^
[13:41] <Trevinho> mhm seems to...
[13:41] <Trevinho> although... top launcher?