[02:12] <nhaines> Haha, not me!  But everyone can have an honey/herb Ricola throat drop.
[02:16] <pleia2> is there an ubucon schedule anywhere? (was going to tweet about it from the -ca accounts, but can't find)
[02:42] <nhaines> pleia2: yes there is  :)
[02:42] <nhaines> https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/13x/schedule/friday
[02:42] <darthrobot> Title: [Friday, February 20, 2015 | SCALE 13x]
[02:42] <nhaines> Century Cd
[02:43] <pleia2> aha! thanks :)
[02:46] <nhaines> No prob.  :)  Plus I talked to Richard Gaskin half an hour ago.  Canonical sent Ubucon a ton of shirts.  So everyone attending gets a free shirt!  :)
[02:47] <pleia2> sweet
[02:49] <pleia2> alright, did an ubucon tweet/fb/g+, I'll do one about the booth tomorrow or so
[02:50] <nhaines> pleia2: you should fly out to SCALE, visit Ubucon, and fly back!
[02:50] <nhaines> Ooh yay.  :)
[02:50] <pleia2> I'm exactly 12 hours off from california, Oman conference ends today (Thursday) and I'm flying all day Friday
[02:51] <nhaines> Just in time to be there to help with the booth!
[02:51] <pleia2> if I could have made it back for Ubucon I would have considered scale
[02:51] <pleia2> my jetlagged brain and Siamese cat would never forgive me :)
[02:51] <nhaines> It's going to be a really fun tiem this year.
[02:51]  * pleia2 nods
[02:52] <nhaines> Well I know we'll all miss you.
[02:52] <pleia2> this conference in Oman is pretty amazing, nice to see a very well funded FOSS conference and about half the audience being female
[02:52] <nhaines> Oh that's fantastic.  :D
[02:53] <pleia2> yeah, nice change from fosdem (which was pretty much the opposite :))
[02:53] <pleia2> anyway, time for breakfast!
[02:53] <nhaines> Hmm, Jono talks from 11 to noon at Ubucon.... maybe I can go to lunch with him, buy him a beer, and then palm his Ubuntu phone while he's drinking.
[02:53] <pleia2> best of luck as you all continue your scale prep :) get some rest
[02:53] <nhaines> Thanks!  I... think I might have rest scheduled in somewhere... on Monday I think.  ;)
[02:53] <pleia2> hehe, figures
[02:53] <nhaines> Bon appetit!
[05:42] <ianorlin2> might end up needing a ride to scale if anyone has my dad is mad now and complaining about me
[10:36] <DonkeyHotei> ianorlin2: if you haven't been able to arrange a ride, phone me, /msg nickserv info DonkeyHotei
[20:50] <ianorlin> anyone esle at scale yet
[21:24] <pleia2> there we go, tweeted about the booth, and rt-ed jono's tweet about his ubucon talk
[21:25] <pleia2> flying all day today (it's Friday here, will be Friday still when I land at 7pm in San Francisco), so I expect to be a pile of jetlagged mush all weekend
[21:27] <pleia2> so, have fun everyone :) I hope to see many pictures!
[21:28] <blitz> ianorlin is scale at moscone?
[21:29] <pleia2> scale is in los angeles
[21:29] <blitz> oh, wait what
[21:31] <blitz> well, I can't stop in then
[23:15] <DonkeyHotei> ianorlin: hi, where are you?
[23:16] <ianorlin> in lobby across from the stairs
[23:16] <ianorlin> at a table
[23:17] <DonkeyHotei> ianorlin: my s.o. had a diabetic crash on the second floor and we had to drive back to our room. i thought booth setup was today at 1pm but nhaines texted me it's tomorrow at 1pm but he'll stage it tonight
[23:18] <ianorlin> ah didn't bring my stuff as he saiud it was reomrow
[23:22] <DonkeyHotei> ianorlin: did you drive?
[23:24] <ianorlin> yes
[23:25] <ianorlin> dad changed his mind
[23:27] <DonkeyHotei> ianorlin: did you get dropped off, or are you parked?
[23:29] <ianorlin> parked
[23:30] <DonkeyHotei> ianorlin: in the hilton garage?
[23:30] <ianorlin> yes
[23:30] <ianorlin> I got there early
[23:30] <DonkeyHotei> bummer
[23:30] <ianorlin> why?
[23:31] <DonkeyHotei> the garage has no in/out privs except for people staying there, i can't park there again till tomorrow
[23:31] <ianorlin> ah you wanted me to give you a ride back
[23:31] <DonkeyHotei> depends
[23:32] <DonkeyHotei> if i end up coming back there today, which is a big if, i would need to share a ride
[23:33] <DonkeyHotei> btw, get the validation coupon for the garage each day
[23:33]  * ianorlin understands
[23:33]  * ianorlin stil hasn't seen nihagines
[23:33] <ianorlin> nhaines
[23:37] <DonkeyHotei> yeah he's not at the hilton


[08:46] <braddr_> g'evening.
[08:46] <fabbione> hey brad
[08:46] <fabbione> that error message is really weird
[08:47] <fabbione> do you have a stock T2000 or did you add pci cards?
[08:47] <braddr_> stock
[08:47] <fabbione> same here
[08:47] <braddr_> and solaris boots fine
[08:48] <fabbione> ok.. just one sec..
[08:48] <braddr_> it's been over 10 years since I played with solaris though.. so I'm so lost in it. :)
[08:48] <fabbione> don't worry :)
[08:49] <fabbione> can you boot in solaris in the meanwhile?
[08:49] <braddr_> if you have something I should look at, sure.
[08:49] <fabbione> we need to figure out what is different on your box from the one david and I have
[08:49] <braddr_> righto.. booting it up
[08:49] <braddr_> well, once the extremely long POST finishes.
[08:50] <fabbione> yeah eheh
[08:50] <fabbione> at least i hope you are not sitting 3 feet from it
[08:50] <fabbione> because it's so damn noisy it's killing me
[08:50] <braddr_> oh, I am.
[08:50] <fabbione> you have ALL my understanding
[08:51] <braddr_> I have the rails in the rack, but I gotta do move another box before I can actually rack this beast.
[08:51] <fabbione> once you are in solaris, can you please slam somewhre the output of prtconf -v -p
[08:51] <braddr_> roger
[08:51] <fabbione> i have it rack mounted..
[08:51] <fabbione> but there aren't that many people with a rack at home
[08:51] <fabbione> really..
[08:51] <braddr_> I'm rather tempted to yank 2 of the 3 front fans.
[08:52] <braddr_> count me among the unusal.
[08:52] <fabbione> lol
[08:52] <braddr_> but this box is easily the loudest of the machines I have.
[08:52] <fabbione> even when i boot up the entire SAN is less noisy!
[08:52] <braddr_> ok.. booted.  lemee grab that info
[08:53] <braddr_> I can give you an account if you'd like.. it's on the public net.
[08:53] <fabbione> let see if we really need it first
[08:53] <braddr_> the sc-net part isn't though
[08:55] <fabbione> meh
[08:55] <fabbione> it's easier to pipe it to a file
[08:55] <fabbione> :)
[08:56] <braddr_> oh sure, point out me being stupid.. duh.
[08:56] <braddr_> ok.. it's at the same url, prtconf.txt
[08:57] <fabbione> thanks
[08:57] <braddr_> hrm.. only 16 cpu nodes?  This was supposed to be an 8 core model.
[08:58] <fabbione> mine was supposed to be 8 cores too and i got 6
[08:58] <fabbione> 16 cpus you have a  4 cores
[08:59] <braddr_> I'll send a nastygram to my sun contact tomorrow.
[09:00] <braddr_> another one.  They also didn't send the serial management cable.. had to... improvise.
[09:01] <fabbione> ah
[09:01] <fabbione> i had 2
[09:01] <braddr_> last sun box I had didn't _have_ the nifty management stuff.
[09:01] <fabbione> eheh
[09:02] <fabbione> i am still checking the output
[09:02] <fabbione> i am not as fast as david here :)
[09:02] <braddr_> s'ok.. I'm not in any hurry.
[09:02] <braddr_> I wish I was able to figure this stuff out on my own.. not used to being this handicapped.
[09:03] <fabbione> don't worry
[09:03] <fabbione> the only real difference i can see is that on your machine there is nvramrc in use
[09:03] <fabbione> +        use-nvramrc?:  'true'
[09:03] <fabbione> could you got back to the OBP and do:
[09:04] <fabbione> setenv use-nvramrc? false
[09:04] <fabbione> or
[09:04] <fabbione> setenv use-nvramrc?=false
[09:04] <fabbione> i can never remember
[09:04] <braddr_> not sure why that'd be. I didn't do any openboot config changes.  Sure.
[09:04] <braddr_> the former
[09:04] <fabbione> it was turned off on mine
[09:05] <fabbione> but it's the only immediate diff i can see
[09:05] <braddr_> hrm.. resume isn't getting me back into the os.
[09:05] <fabbione> go
[09:05] <braddr_> oh, right.
[09:06] <fabbione> ok> go
[09:06] <braddr_> ok.. it shows as false now.
[09:06] <braddr_> ... in prtconf
[09:06] <fabbione> perfect
[09:06] <fabbione> now you could try to netboot?
[09:06] <braddr_> reboot and.. roger.
[09:06] <fabbione> thanks
[09:07] <fabbione> i am trying to reproduce it in the otherway around here in the meantime
[09:07] <braddr_> btw, if you have a set, my range earmuffs do a _great_ job of cancelling the noise of those fans.
[09:07] <fabbione> eheh
[09:08] <fabbione> i use headphone set + metallica at 200% of the volume
[09:08] <braddr_> damaging your hearing further.
[09:08] <fabbione> with this treatment i can barely hear my own brain
[09:08] <fabbione> ;)
[09:08] <braddr_> ok.. it's into the boot sequence now.. at 9600
[09:09] <fabbione> i feel your pain
[09:09] <braddr_> no difference.
[09:09] <fabbione> ok we will need to wait for david
[09:09] <fabbione> he doesn't irc much..
[09:09] <fabbione> but i already send him the info
[09:09] <braddr_> yeah.. kinda a popular guy
[09:09] <braddr_> he'd get swarmed.
[09:10] <fabbione> yeah i know
[09:12] <braddr_> based on that stack trace, that's probably the first disk access of some sort, no?
[09:14] <fabbione> there is no disk access at that time
[09:14] <fabbione> it's loading from the initramfs
[09:14] <fabbione> or ramdisk
[09:14] <fabbione> but it loads fine here
[09:14] <braddr_> [   17.001666]  checking if image is initramfs... it is
[09:14] <braddr_> [    3.293044]  Freeing initrd memory: 3832k freed
[09:15] <fabbione> yeps
[09:15] <fabbione> at that point where it fails it is starting up the installer
[09:16] <fabbione> it seems we found one relevant difference
[09:16] <fabbione> you have 8 cpus
[09:16] <fabbione> sorry 16
[09:16] <fabbione> i have 24
[09:16] <fabbione> david 32
[09:16] <braddr_> though this seems to be a non-smp kernel, since it only inits one
[09:16] <fabbione> the sparc kernel is still able to probe the amount of CPU's installed on the system
[09:17] <fabbione> the diff is that UP init only 1
[09:17] <fabbione> SMP enables the ones you ask for :)
[09:17] <braddr_> right.. just pointing out another potential difference.. david's not likely booting a non-smp kernel.
[09:18] <fabbione> he did :)
[09:18] <braddr_> I'm sure he _has_, but not nearly as much as smp.
[09:20] <braddr_> is there an older image that'd be worth trying?
[09:20] <braddr_> david's email hints that there was/is
[09:20] <fabbione> yes just one second that i am collecting info for david
[09:21] <braddr_> okey
[09:22] <fabbione> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/dapper/main/installer-sparc/20051026ubuntu26/images/sparc64/netboot/2.6/
[09:22] <fabbione> you can try this one
[09:22] <fabbione> but i don't ensure it's "old" enough or that will work
[09:23] <braddr_> oh, no worries, just looking to broaden the facts on hand
[09:28] <braddr_> no change
[09:28] <braddr_> ... other than the version number of the build
[09:28] <fabbione> ok
[09:28] <fabbione> we are looking at it
[09:29] <braddr_> can I bring you a coke.. maybe a pizza? :)
[09:29] <fabbione> i jsut woke up.. coffee would do :P
[09:29] <braddr_> hrm.. gonna guess the round trip might be kinda longish.
[09:29] <fabbione> ehhe
[09:31] <braddr_> for the sake of completeness, the hex number at the end is slightly different: Error at TPC[4ca2bc]  with -20, and 4c9f9c with -19
[09:31] <braddr_> probably meaningless
[09:32] <fabbione> ok thanks
[09:33] <fabbione> i need a few minutes to upgrade my box and do some debugging...
[09:34] <fabbione> are you using tftp booting i assume?
[09:35] <braddr_> you and dave talking via some im network?  I'd love to observe just to soak up a bit of background.
[09:35] <fabbione> braddr_: IM
[09:35] <fabbione> braddr_: can you boot with:
[09:36] <fabbione> boot net max_cpus=1
[09:36] <fabbione> ?
[09:36] <fabbione> if it errors the same way we have some clues :)
[09:36] <braddr_> on it.
[09:36] <fabbione> thanks
[09:37] <braddr_> I can easily move the sc-net port to a public ip address, too, if that'd help.
[09:37] <fabbione> nah
[09:37] <braddr_> this boot is with -19 still, whoops.
[09:37] <fabbione> it's ok
[09:37] <fabbione> eheh
[09:37] <fabbione> -20- is better
[09:37] <braddr_> close enough?
[09:37] <braddr_> ok.. I'll redo
[09:38] <braddr_> much different this time
[09:38] <fabbione> is it?
[09:38] <braddr_> I'm at the choose a language part of the installer
[09:39] <fabbione> AH
[09:39] <braddr_> with -19
[09:39] <fabbione> can you try with -20- please?
[09:39] <braddr_> it finished while I was moving the images around
[09:39] <fabbione> ok
[09:40] <braddr_> hrm.. having trouble getting back to openboot
[09:40] <fabbione> telnet to the alom
[09:40] <fabbione> and do a break
[09:41] <fabbione> you can login multiple times to alom
[09:41] <braddr_> thanks.
[09:42] <braddr_> does the linux kernel disable sending break to get to openboot?
[09:42] <fabbione> no afaik
[09:43] <fabbione> at sc> reset
[09:43] <braddr_> odd.. with -20 it looks like the same failure.. lemee scroll up to make sure I booted it correctly
[09:44] <braddr_> Kernel command line: max_cpus=1
[09:44] <braddr_> so.. -19 works, but -20 doesn't.
[09:45] <braddr_> ... with 1 cpu.  neither does with all of 'em.
[09:45] <fabbione> ok we are checking some stuff..
[09:47] <fabbione> i suggest to try to reproduce that it works on -19- and fails on -20-.. but can you please poweroff in between?
[09:47] <fabbione> with max_cpus=1
[09:47] <braddr_> let me go back to -19 w/o a power off.  Doing that introduced a several minute wait cycle.
[09:48] <fabbione> yes waiting is not an issue
[09:48] <fabbione> i want to know if the boot with -19- is reproducible
[09:48] <braddr_> ok, then a powercycle then boot net w/ -19
[09:49] <fabbione> exactly
[09:49] <braddr_> 12:49:10am start
[09:49] <fabbione> ehhe
[09:51] <braddr_> ok.. I just checked, I've got an 11am meeting at work tomorrow, so I'm gonna put a cap of 2 hours on this debugging before I'll have to bug out and get some sleep.
[09:51] <fabbione> ok
[09:52] <braddr_> on the other hand, that could change depending on how close we are. :)
[09:53] <fabbione> even if we get to narrow down the problem. it will take at least a few hours to get the fix in the kenrel (assuming it is a kenrel issue) and propagate it to an installer
[09:53] <fabbione> tho i could build a custom one for you
[09:54] <braddr_> assuming -19's successful boot is reproducable, that ought to give a fairly large hint I assume.  and I also assume we won't know for sure that the problem is fixed w/o a test kernel/image.
[09:55] <fabbione> yes to both
[09:55] <fabbione> we know what changed between 19 and 20
[09:56] <fabbione> but there is still the rootcause of the max_cpus=1
[09:56] <fabbione> specially because what you are booting is a UP kernel
[09:56] <fabbione> and theoretically max_cpus=1 has no meaning
[09:56] <braddr_> ok.. booting now
[09:57] <braddr_> Requesting Internet Address for 0:14:4f:f:10:60
[09:57] <braddr_> ERROR: /pci@7c0/pci@0/pci@1/pci@0,2/LSILogic,sas@2: Last Trap: Fast Instruction Access MMU Miss
[09:57] <braddr_> [Exception handlers interrupted, please file a bug]
[09:57] <braddr_> [type 'resume' to attempt a normal recovery]
[09:57] <braddr_> {0} ok resume
[09:57] <braddr_> Error -256
[09:57] <braddr_> odd.
[09:57] <fabbione> did you break while it was already booting?
[09:57] <braddr_> sorta.. I hit break after the no keyboard part of the early boot
[09:57] <fabbione> ok
[09:58] <fabbione> for your own sanity set:
[09:58] <braddr_> so that's sorta 'normal'?
[09:58] <fabbione> setenv auto-boot? false :)
[09:58] <fabbione> yes
[09:58] <braddr_> it's into the boot sequence now.. just a second more
[09:58] <fabbione> sure
[09:59] <braddr_> damn.. same __lookup_hash stacktrace
[09:59] <fabbione> ok thanks
[09:59] <braddr_> I might be tired, but I know I saw it boot once. :)
[09:59] <fabbione> want to recheck the boot parameters?
[09:59] <fabbione> yes i know.. it might be "lucky"
[09:59] <braddr_> already did.. lemee paste
[09:59] <braddr_> Kernel command line: max_cpus=1
[09:59] <fabbione> ok
[10:00] <fabbione> stay tuned.. :)
[10:00] <braddr_> and just checked, it's definitly the -19 image
[10:00] <braddr_> gonna set the auto-boot part for next time.
[10:00] <braddr_> ok.. and it's a 10min boot cycle. :)
[10:14] <fabbione> braddr_: i have some good news and some bad news...
[10:14] <fabbione> which one do you want first?
[10:14] <braddr_> how about in that order
[10:14] <fabbione> the good news is that David has a pretty good idea of what is going on.
[10:15] <braddr_> and the bad news is that he wants sleep
[10:15] <fabbione> the bad news is that we will have to wait mid-week because he is busy to push some .17 stuff to Linus
[10:15] <fabbione> he doesn't sleep.. we don't usually allow him...
[10:15] <braddr_> likly story. :P
[10:16] <braddr_> ok.. well, I'll tinker with solaris for a while then.
[10:16] <fabbione> anyway it looks like that there is some heavy memory corruption problem
[10:16] <braddr_> and see if I can convince the sun weenies to ship me the box I asked for.
[10:16] <fabbione> that happens early in the boot
[10:16] <fabbione> way before where we see the OOPS
[10:16] <fabbione> the strange things are:
[10:16] <fabbione> - we don't see it with 24/32 cpu's
[10:17] <fabbione>   so it might be specific to the 16 cpu's one
[10:17] <fabbione> perhaps a bit that overflows or something like that... go figure
[10:17] <fabbione> so that machine is gold now
[10:17] <braddr_> well, it's not going anywhere.
[10:17] <fabbione> perfect
[10:18] <braddr_> I'll see if I can find a reliable pattern to get it past the bootup problem, since it did work once.
[10:19] <fabbione> i am afraid that it was more a lucky boot than you can acutally reproduce
[10:19] <braddr_> just got 'lucky' again.
[10:19] <fabbione> with -20- ?
[10:19] <braddr_> no, -19
[10:20] <braddr_> and with max_cpus=1
[10:21] <fabbione> and the weird thing is that max_cpus is useless.... go figure...
[10:21] <fabbione> can you try -19- without max_cpus?
[10:21] <braddr_> after this round, sure.
[10:21] <fabbione> ok thanks
[10:23] <braddr_> failed this cycle (19 w/ max_cpus=1)
[10:24] <braddr_> trying w/o max_cpus
[10:25] <fabbione> ok
[10:26] <braddr_> failed
[10:26] <fabbione> i think there is no real pattern..
[10:26] <fabbione> it's just memory corruption happening for some odd reasons
[10:26] <fabbione> there might be 2 reasons:
[10:26] <fabbione> - hw is buggy
[10:27] <braddr_> is there any reason to believe that on the boots that it gets into user space that it'll be stable?
[10:27] <fabbione> - the specs we got are not complete and don't cover the 16 CPU's case properly
[10:27] <braddr_> assuming non-buggy hw
[10:27] <fabbione> it fails opening a file in /proc
[10:28] <fabbione> so it eithers contain garbage
[10:28] <fabbione> or /proc is busted
[10:28] <fabbione> perhaps it works once it boots, but well that won't help you much
[10:29] <fabbione> because you might install and not being able to boot after
[10:29] <braddr_> but it'd progress.
[10:29] <fabbione> not really..
[10:29] <braddr_> I've only got 60 days, if the hype is to be believed.
[10:29] <fabbione> yes we will fix it WAY before that
[10:30] <braddr_> unless it's hardware. :P
[10:30] <fabbione> because by that time Dapper must be stable and released :)
[10:30] <fabbione> well clearly..
[10:30] <braddr_> is niagara hardware a showstopper for dapper?
[10:30] <fabbione> nobody at SUN has been reporting such case... that's why HW failure is somehow floating in my mind
[10:30] <fabbione> no
[10:30] <braddr_> didn't think so.
[10:30] <fabbione> sparc is not supported by Ubuntu
[10:31] <fabbione> but if we can get to release at the same time, the better :)
[10:31] <braddr_> right.. so why the confidence that it'll be fixed before then?
[10:31] <fabbione> because i am a nasty bitch
[10:31] <braddr_> well, right.
[10:31] <fabbione> i want it fixed before that
[10:31] <braddr_> determination and pigheadedness can go a long way.
[10:32] <fabbione> trust me.. i can bitch and nag people enough to make them cry like little babies :P
[10:32] <braddr_> I know the type.. I have to do a lot of that sorta project management at work
[10:32] <fabbione> eheh
[10:32] <braddr_> though rarely does anyone have to actually ccry
[10:32] <fabbione> :)
[10:34] <braddr_> anything else I or we can do until later in the week when david frees up?
[10:34] <fabbione> once he frees up, we will just have to be ready to test what he asks
[10:35] <fabbione> see another major issue is that we have "only" 3 machines in 3 different setups
[10:35] <fabbione> that doesn't make it easier to isolate
[10:36] <braddr_> agreed
[10:36] <braddr_> and unlike x86 hardware, can't just yank a cpu or 4 to normalize the configs. :)
[10:36] <fabbione> eheh
[10:38] <braddr_> I'm really looking forward to putting this hardware through it's paces.  I'll be using it to do high parallel compiles of gcc (with the gdc, the d language frontend) and it's test suite of 10's of thousands of nice independant tests.
[10:38] <fabbione> eheheh
[10:38] <braddr_> pretty much the perfect hardware for this sort of thing.
[10:39] <fabbione> if it doesn't use fpu yes
[10:39] <braddr_> well, some tests do, but most don't and the compiler certainly doesn't need it
[10:39] <fabbione> yeps...
[10:39] <fabbione> we did push all optimizations in for gcc already
[10:39] <fabbione> and glibc
[10:39] <fabbione> so it should be quite fast
[10:40] <fabbione> assuming we can get it to boot :P
[10:40] <braddr_> I assume only in gcc trunk though, ri ght?
[10:40] <braddr_> I haven't tried getting the d frontend moved anywhere past 4.0.x
[10:40] <fabbione> we did backport all the optimization into ubuntu gcc as well
[10:40] <fabbione> so if you use the gcc4 shipped by default it will work
[10:41] <braddr_> I'm less concerned about the actual generated code speed, though faster is better.
[10:41] <braddr_> anything will be faster than the old athlon box I've been using.
[10:41] <fabbione> ehhe
[10:41] <fabbione> i can cut the kernel in 1 minute and 20 secs here
[10:42] <fabbione> with 24 CPU's
[10:42] <fabbione> and minimal config of course (but still bootable)
[10:42] <braddr_> the test suite for D takes about 8-10 hours on the athlon
[10:43] <fabbione> not too bad
[10:43] <braddr_> kinda high for iterative development, but a decent overnight check it tomorrow run.
[10:43] <braddr_> 15-20 minutes would be better.
[10:44] <fabbione> well..
[10:44] <fabbione> like we say in Italy: "You can't have a drunk wife and the jar full of wine"
[10:44] <braddr_> just need 2 jars.
[10:44] <fabbione> ahah
[10:45] <braddr_> a little creativity will solve most problems.
[10:45] <fabbione> sometimes it does
[10:53] <braddr_> hey, is there a way to disable cpu's in openboot or sc?  Maybe dropping it down to 8 or 4 would prove interesting?
[10:55] <fabbione> nope
[10:55] <fabbione> it's hardcoded in the CPU
[10:55] <braddr_> oh well, worth a shot.
[10:55] <fabbione> yeah
[10:56] <fabbione> time for breakfast and more coffee :)
[10:56] <fabbione> brb
[11:09] <braddr_> I've yet to get -20 to boot ever, but -19 boots periodically.
[11:09] <braddr_> no pattern, but I tried a lot with -20 and never.
[11:13] <fabbione> probably the fixes in -20- can trigger the error constantly
[11:14] <braddr_> hey.. I caught an oops on this 'successful' boot
[11:15] <braddr_> http://www.puremagic.com/~braddr/t2000/oops-1.txt
[11:18] <fabbione> checking..
[11:18] <fabbione> was that with -19- ?
[11:19] <braddr_> yes.. but double checking to be sure.
[11:19] <fabbione> ok
[11:19] <braddr_> yup
[11:20] <braddr_> and looks like the install has stalled after the language screen
[11:20] <braddr_> not super suprising.
[11:20] <fabbione> yes mostlikely
[11:20] <fabbione> udev is generating a crash
[11:20] <fabbione> probably parsing /sysfs
[11:23] <braddr_> right, well, with the installer stalling, I'm gonna give up on the box for tonight
[11:24] <fabbione> yes.. get some good rest and get ready for some heavy debugging soon :)
[11:24] <braddr_> it seems silly to have a 2 middleman process between david and the hardware
[11:24] <fabbione> nah it's ok.. because i will need to push the changes in the Ubuntu kernel as well
[11:25] <fabbione> and trigger all the other bits to have the installer etc. etc.
[11:25] <braddr_> sure, but not until after it's fixed.
[11:25] <fabbione> it might be an Ubuntu specific bug..
[11:25] <braddr_> could be
[11:26] <braddr_> well, you've got my email address, and I'll hang out here during the usa/pacific evening/night hours.
[11:27] <braddr_> during work hours my availability is less predictable, but usually I can make myself available
[11:29] <fabbione> i will try to ping you with enough notice


[02:17] <jsgotangco> http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/
[02:17] <jsgotangco> WHOA
[02:22] <LaserJock> interesting
[02:24] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: bzr branch http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/udr
[02:25] <jsgotangco> great
[02:26] <LaserJock> that's just what I got from Ian, but it's a start
[02:26] <jsgotangco> i almost read that as Iran
[02:26] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:27] <LaserJock> yep, I went a long ways to get
[02:27] <LaserJock> it
[02:27] <LaserJock> dodged some missiles ...
[02:27] <LaserJock> but darn it, I got the documentation ;-)
[02:28] <jsgotangco> yeah the covert mission was a success
[02:35] <LaserJock> so the immediate problem is that the current Debian version is 3.3.7 and we have changes to 3.3.6
[02:37] <jsgotangco> its still branching
[02:37] <jsgotangco> *groan*
[02:38] <LaserJock> really? bummer
[02:38] <LaserJock> it was quick on my local network ;-)
[02:43] <dsas> It's probably not a good idea to keep the pdf under revision control ;)
[02:45] <LaserJock> well, it's just there
[02:46] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: its in sgml i though you had dbk?
[02:46] <LaserJock> well, that's the current package
[02:46] <LaserJock> we can use debiandoc2xml to convert it if we want
[02:47] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure if we want to do that now
[02:47] <jsgotangco> ok are you suggesting we do it in debiandoc?
[02:48] <LaserJock> well, I just can't be sure that Debian is going to move to docbook by the time edgy is out
[02:49] <LaserJock> so we would have to do something radical (developers-reference-ubuntu package) I think if they don't
[02:49] <jsgotangco> honestly i have little knowledge of debiandoc ive read it before but never really got anything done
[02:50] <LaserJock> but if we stick to debiandoc for right now and they *do* switch to docbook then I think we can fairly easily convert it
[02:50] <LaserJock> well, I hadn't even heard of it until I got this
[02:57] <jsgotangco> can you give me a headstart on what to start, what to packages to get?
[02:58] <LaserJock> for debiandoc?
[02:58] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:01] <LaserJock> just look for debiandoc in synaptic
[03:02] <LaserJock> debiandoc-sgml and debiandoc2dbxml I think are the ones you want
[03:02] <LaserJock> I  guess po-debiandoc is used for the translations maybe
[03:03] <jsgotangco> if i use aptitude, it wants me to grab 110MB of archives
[03:03] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:04] <LaserJock> wha?
[03:04] <jsgotangco> crazy
[03:04] <crimsun> aptitude pulls in Recommends by default.
[03:04] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:05] <LaserJock> apt-get wants 7MB
[04:59] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: ping?
[07:21] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: pong
[07:22] <jsgotangco> hmm i forgot what to ask you
[07:22] <jsgotangco> ahh right
[07:23] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: are you able to build tinymail?
[07:23] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: haven't tried recently
[07:26] <jsgotangco> ok
[07:38] <Madpilot> Wow, I think Warren from the MEPIS project is a bit ticked off at the FSF - have a look at his 'GPL FAQ' here: http://www.mepis.org/node/10725
[08:50] <mdke> Laser_away: possibly...
[12:21] <mdke> Laser_away: shit, the packaging in trunk isn't up to date with the branch
[01:16] <mdke> hi there manicka
[01:17] <manicka> hi
[01:19] <mdke> manicka: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum and see what you think
[01:19] <mdke> since writing it I just saw https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum/community/KnowledgebaseTaskForce which is essentially the same thing
[01:26] <manicka> mdke, that's all pretty much what we've talked about before. It's a good idea to formalise it
[01:26] <manicka> I guess what needs to be done now
[01:26] <manicka> is the formal setting up of a team/taskforce
[01:27] <manicka> From what i can see the team would be negotiating with forum members directly
[01:27] <mdke> I'd like to talk through those things with the UDSF people, to make sure they are happy with it.
[01:28] <mdke> I thought of posting to the UDSF forum, is that appropriate?
[01:28] <manicka> i don't see much of a role for the udsf in that scenario
[01:28] <manicka> I'm sure they would be interested in a post there
[01:29] <mdke> ok
[01:29] <manicka> but i don't think they'll be falling over themselves to help on a taskforce  like that
[01:30] <mdke> given that the UDSF currently archives a lot of material from the forum, I think it's important that they are a part of this. The whole point was to provide an official channel through which documentation can come from the forum/UDSF -> wiki -> system documentation
[01:30] <manicka> ok
[01:31] <manicka> it might also be a good idea to ask for a sticky in the howto forum looking for taskforce/team members, once you have udsf feedback
[01:32] <mdke> yes, once the project is settled in terms of structure, we'll do something similar
[01:32] <manicka> ok
[01:39] <manicka> mdke, forgive my clouded judgement in regards to the udsf at the moment. The overall plan looks sound :)
[01:42] <mdke> manicka: cool
[02:35] <mdke> hey there lloydinho
[02:36] <mdke> did you see we stuck up a docbook version of the participate website page in the repo for you and Laser_away to play with?
[02:46] <mdke> lloydinho_: did you see my message just above?
[02:47] <lloydinho_> no, sorry. Xchat crashed on me
[02:47] <lloydinho_> mdke: please repeat. :-)
[02:49] <mdke> did you see we stuck up a docbook version of the participate website page in the repo for you and Laser_away to play with?
[02:51] <lloydinho_> no. But I'll have a look at it, thanks!
[02:51] <mdke> great
[02:52] <lloydinho_> I've been away offline for a few days, so I'll just update my svn now.
[02:52] <mdke> it's at trunk/ubuntu/contribute/C/contribute.xml
[02:52] <lloydinho_> cool!
[03:10] <mdke> hi there troy_s, nice to see you in here. Thinking of getting involved with some documentation?
[03:12] <jjesse> mornin mdke
[03:13] <mdke> hiya
[03:14] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:14] <mdke> slacker
[03:15] <jsgotangco> heh!
[03:51] <jjesse_> why what all are your committing?
[03:52] <jsgotangco> man im such a slacker these days
[03:54] <mdke> jjesse_: the packaging for those changes to the ubuntu help system we've been discussing
[03:55] <jjesse_> ah cool
[03:56] <jjesse_> hmm how do i kick one of my nicknames that is still on there?
[03:56] <jsgotangco> do /msg nickserv ghost nick
[04:00] <nixternal>  /quote nickserv ghost jjesse <password>
[04:00] <nixternal> mornin' all!
[04:37] <LaserJock> mdke: did you take care of the packaging diff between branch and trunck?
[04:38] <mdke> LaserJock: yes, I hope so
[04:38] <mdke> LaserJock: btw, I made a new package for edgy, was I right to just continue the existing changelog?
[04:38] <mdke> maybe you can check it for me and I'll ask daniel to upload
[04:40] <LaserJock> k
[04:40] <LaserJock> yeah, the changelog should include *all* the releases
[04:40] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: what's the branch again?
[04:41] <mdke> in that case, we should be good to go
[04:41] <LaserJock> for what? developer's reference?
[04:41] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: top secret project
[04:41] <LaserJock> the Iranian project ;-)
[04:41] <LaserJock> http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/udr/
[04:42] <jsgotangco> thanks
[04:43] <jsgotangco> waiting waiting *hum*
[04:45] <jsgotangco> glatzor: !
[04:45] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I'm wondering if I should redo the repo to  just have the .sgml and .ent files
[04:46] <jsgotangco> oh because we had the pdfs and html right?
[04:46] <LaserJock> and translations, etc.
[04:47] <jsgotangco> yeah might be a better idea
[04:47] <LaserJock> the repo would be a lot smaller
[04:48] <LaserJock> gah, this project just sucks organizationaly. I so wish we could just make a seperate doc.
[04:48] <LaserJock> as I look over the Debian version I see tons of changes
[04:49] <glatzor> hi jsgotangco!
[04:49] <mdke> LaserJock: are you going to make the packaging guide available from the contribute.xml doc? If so I think we should remove the packaging guide from the yelp frontpage and include the contribute doc, thoughts?
[04:52] <lloydinho> Hey, LaserJock. I've done a first draft of the Contribute doc.
[04:52] <lloydinho> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[04:52] <LaserJock> mdke: yes, I agree
[04:53] <lloydinho> I just put it in the wiki since I don't have any svn commit access.
[04:53] <jsgotangco> man that was good sushi
[04:53] <mdke> LaserJock: cool. This is what the current front page looks like with ubuntu-docs 6.08.1: http://mdke.org/tmp/new-yelp.png, we can just drop the last entry
[04:53] <mdke> lloydinho: have you been working with the docbook version at all?
[04:54] <lloydinho> mdke: no, not yet. My secret plan was to try and convert it with the new wiki2docbook tool.
[04:55] <mdke> sounds good, that's what i did to the participate page to make contribute.xml
[04:55] <mdke> you've built on the participate page, right?
[04:55] <lloydinho> Cool.
[04:55] <lloydinho> In any case, I'd like to wait with docbook until we have decided on the general layout of the document.
[04:56] <mdke> ah fine, the contribute.xml is there as a placeholder, then
[04:57] <mdke> thanks a lot for working on this!
[04:57] <LaserJock> mdke: looks good for now, I think once we get contribute put together we should remove the Packaging Guide from the frontpage
[04:57] <mdke> great
[04:57] <LaserJock> it makes me sad to see it go, but that's were it belongs ;-)
[04:57] <lloydinho> mdke: It's been an itch I've been wanting to scratch for some time, now. :-)
[04:58] <LaserJock> mdke: you might want to wrap those long changelog lines next time
[05:01] <mdke> LaserJock: still time to do that... what is good practice?
[05:01] <LaserJock> mdke: did you try a test build of ubuntu-docs?
[05:01] <mdke> yeah, it builds fine. That screenshot is with it installed
[05:01] <LaserJock> cool
[05:01] <mdke> (on dapper mind)
[05:02] <LaserJock> I usually just wrap to something like 80 columns
[05:02] <LaserJock> and indent
[05:02] <LaserJock> all the CLI jockey's will appreciate it ;-)
[05:03] <mdke> is it alright now?
[05:04] <LaserJock> yeah, much nicer
[05:05] <jsgotangco> time for me to frag some kids
[05:05] <jsgotangco> ciao
[05:06] <mdke> need to do a patch for yelp at some stage to get those documents in the right order... I need to get an edgy system going soon
[06:56] <glatzor> Hi mdke.
[06:56] <glatzor> Do have got time to discuss the bug #54774: add dapper-commercial to software-properties
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54774 in update-manager "add dapper-commercial to software-properties" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54774
[07:09] <jjesse_> if i make changes in trunk/kubuntu/releasenotes/C what is the easiest way to get the same changes in branches/dapper/kubuntu/releasenotes/C/  ??
[07:15] <trappist> maybe do an svn diff and patch the other file with it
[07:15] <jjesse_> whats the syntax for patching again?  patch -p0 file?
[07:16] <trappist> patch -p0 < file
[07:38] <LaserJock> mdke: it seems we need to get a licensing lawyer
[07:38] <LaserJock> mdke: you're no help ;-)
[07:39] <jjesse_> LaserJock: mind apply two patches?
[07:39] <LaserJock> no problemo, are they on the ML?
[07:39] <jjesse_> yes sir :)
[07:40] <LaserJock> doh, right below Matt's email
[07:43] <jjesse_> grin :)
[07:45] <jjesse_> thanks for applying that one :)
[07:50] <LaserJock> jjesse_: the second one is for the dapper branch, right?
[07:54] <LaserJock> jjesse_: done, and done
[08:35] <jjesse_> LaserJock: thanks :)
[08:51] <mdke> glatzor: I have a few moments
[08:52] <mdke> glatzor: from your first comment it seems that adding the repository to sources.list is the best way, right?
[08:52] <mdke> LaserJock: grrr
[08:52] <mdke> I am the law!
[08:55] <LaserJock> mdke: hehe
[08:57] <LaserJock> mdke: my understanding was that with the dual license a derivative license was and/or so you could do GFDL *or* CC-BY-SA *or* GFDL + CC-BY-SA
[08:57] <LaserJock> not that both licenses applied (which would be a problem since they are incompatible)
[08:58] <jjesse_> isn't the book licensed the same?  i wonder how they figured it out?
[08:59] <mdke> yeah, that's what our docs say anyway
[08:59] <mdke> I have a hard time understanding GFDL + CC-BY-SA, I suppose what it really means is that they are alternatives
[09:00] <mdke> but I don't see how that works either
[09:00] <LaserJock> "take you pick" :-)
[09:00] <mdke> say we were to copy something from wikipedia (GFDL) and put it in our docs, would we be violating their requirement that we keep the same conditions for copying?
[09:00] <mdke> I think we would, because a derivative of our work could be cc-by-sa only...
[09:01] <mdke> in which case, wtf is the point of having "dual" licenses in the first place?
[09:02] <LaserJock> basically no matter what we do, it sucks
[09:02] <mdke> well, we could just have one license
[09:02] <glatzor> mdke: if we just add it out commented to the sources.list it will appear disabled in the third party list
[09:03] <LaserJock> sure, but there will always be content that we can't use because of it
[09:03] <mdke> glatzor: the third party list in software-properties?
[09:03] <glatzor> if you additionally add a comment to the end of the line, this comment will be used as label
[09:03] <glatzor> mdke: right
[09:03] <mdke> glatzor: that sounds like a good solution
[09:04] <mdke> LaserJock: right, but right now it seems to me there is nothing we can copy, unless it is completely free
[09:06] <LaserJock> yep
[09:07] <mdke> maybe mako can explain what the thinking was behind this dual business
[09:07] <glatzor> mdke: this mechanism could be used for the other self hosted third party repos too. just include a file with the disabled apt line and a comment for each repo (e.g. omnit) in app-install-commercial and place it into /etc/apt.sources.d
[09:07] <LaserJock> mdke: it's better for derivatives of us
[09:08] <mdke> LaserJock: like we care ;)
[09:08] <mdke> glatzor: ok, so that bug should be reassigned to app-install-commercial?
[09:08] <mdke> we should get mdz or someone to provide the comment wording
[09:18] <mdke> work dammit
[09:20] <LaserJock> mdke: don't kick to hard, it might fall apart
[09:20] <mdke> it's a bit slow, keeps timing out
[09:24] <glatzor> mdke: i will reassign it and change the description
[09:25] <mdke> glatzor: thanks!
[09:34] <glatzor> the sidenote is for mvo only
[09:34] <glatzor> the sidenote in the bug description :)
[09:35] <mdke> glatzor: thanks, I'll check it out
[09:37] <glatzor> have a nice eveneing, mdke
[10:02] <manicka> mdke, some interesting responses from the UDSF
[10:02] <LaserJock> manicka: where?
[10:03] <manicka> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=227819
[10:05] <LaserJock> cool
[10:22] <manicka> my thoughts added


[01:01] <amurray> Oblivion: not sure if you're still around but I see above that you mentioned wanting to PM someone from the Ubuntnu Security team - I'm around now if that helps


[01:26] <Omega> Hello everyone.
[01:59] <islington> If I have an SVG wallpaper should I still make render for different resolutions? Both kde and gnome seem to handle svgs as wallpaper fine.
[11:49] <thorwil> mpt: http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2010/04/22/dont-talk-about-users/  is about building ux principles into project infrastructure. specifically heuristic evaluation. i have been thinking along similar lines, recently. though i would want to start at the beginning, offering a service to manage design starting from a briefing/mission statement.
[14:44] <sandy|lurk> hey folks, not sure who to ping, but I saw a thread on ayatana-list suggesting the adoption of Giver, and as the only person capable of making a Giver release I wanted to make sure you folks knew that it's pretty much a dead project
[14:44] <sandy|lurk> would be much more useful if it worked over telepathy instead
[14:46] <sandy|lurk> as for Tasque, adding a couchdb backend (if that were really necessary) should be easy, and in a few months mario intends to release a feature that lets you keep all of your tasks synchronized between multiple backends, so that would help
[15:01] <qense> sandy|lurk: Will you make sure that Tasque saves the notes in a generic format that can be used by other task applications as well? That way it's very easy to reuse the data in other applications without having to use a dozen of exporters and importers.
[15:02] <sandy|lurk> qense: another thing that's yet to be done is actually caching tasks for offline use...the plan is to use a sqlite db for this
[15:02] <qense> ok
[15:02] <sandy|lurk> anyway, I'm really not involved in tasque dev anymore
[15:03] <sandy|lurk> just wanted to make sure nobody wasted time on Giver :-)
[15:06] <qense> sandy|lurk: OK, thank you for telling, I'll keep it in mind in case someone says (s)he will adopt it.
[15:06] <qense> I'm subscribed to the list of adopted packages, so that should be no problem.
[15:14] <jcastro> sandy|lurk, the zeroconfing telepathy transfer works awesome with empathy, it's just not obvious in the UI to people so I think they think they need something like giver to transfer files quickly
[15:14] <jcastro> the time is probably better invested in fixing the discoverability in empathy
[15:14] <sandy|lurk> jcastro: totally agree with that
[15:14] <sandy|lurk> jcastro: also, hi!
[15:15] <jcastro> heh
[15:15] <sandy|lurk> jcastro: can you not just drag-and-drop from nautilus onto a contact in empathy/
[15:15] <sandy|lurk> ?
[15:15] <jcastro> yep
[15:15] <jcastro> you totally can
[15:15] <sandy|lurk> heh
[15:15] <jcastro> no one knows that though
[15:15] <sandy|lurk> lol
[15:15] <jcastro> plus we don't set up your zeroconf account by default, after you set up your gtalk or whatever we prompt you for the name
[15:16] <jcastro> but it's some window with that crack bear-looking soul-staring icon
[15:16] <sandy|lurk> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Pedobear ?
[15:17] <jcastro> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Avahi-logo.png
[15:17] <jcastro> this one is worse!
[15:17] <sandy|lurk> hahahahahaha
[15:17] <sandy|lurk> oh my god
[15:17] <sandy|lurk> I have never seen that
[15:17] <jcastro> it's the avahi logo
[15:21] <qense> jcastro: Setting up the Bonjour/Salut/Zeroconf account would be a nice task for a possible welcome screen or introduction druid/wizard.
[15:21] <jcastro> or just turn it on by default.
[15:21] <qense> jcastro: By the way, you did notice that the fix for Banshee.AppIndicator landed today?
[15:21]  * jcastro doesn't say that too loud
[15:21] <jcastro> qense, I am upgrading now!
[15:21] <qense> good!
[15:21] <jcastro> nice
[15:22] <jcastro> this fixes it on my one computer
[15:22] <jcastro> it worked on my laptop but not the other one for some reason
[15:23] <qense> That can only be due to not having upgraded recently or due to a polluted installation. ;)
[15:23] <jcastro> my main pc is always in various states of disrepair, heh
[15:27] <hyperair> qense: did you fix the notify-osd lag already?
[15:28] <qense> hyperair: I just pushed the fix.
[15:28] <qense> really just a minute ago :)
[15:28] <hyperair> qense: heh i saw the email =p
[15:28] <qense> I was about to mark the bug as Fix Committed on Launchpad.
[15:28] <hyperair> i got the bug watch added email
[15:28] <hyperair> so i figured you might have done something
[15:29] <qense> I reported the bug upstream so I could reference to it in the commit message.
[15:29] <jcastro> bah
[15:29] <jcastro> dude the xchat m-i plugin is definately crashing for me
[15:29] <hyperair> qense: banshee's upstream changelogs also reference LP: #
[15:29] <qense> jcastro: When clicking links also? I had that.
[15:29] <qense> hyperair: how?
[15:29] <qense> ah, LP: #
[15:30] <qense> :D
[15:31] <hyperair> guilt format-patch. this is what happens when you try to type git and quilt at the same time. =p
[15:31] <qense> Freudian typo
[15:31] <hyperair> heheh


[12:22] <d3ll> my ubuntu 16.04 not shutting down properly. It stucks at splash screen with ubuntu logo and then it stays forever. To shut it down, I manually have to long press the power button. Any solution??


[01:23] <pieq> Morning!
[01:24] <sarnold> hey pieq
[01:47] <duflu> Morning pieq and sarnold
[01:48] <sarnold> hey duflu :)
[03:08] <callmepk> good morning
[03:26] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[03:32] <callmepk> morning duflu
[06:26] <jibel> Good morning everyone
[06:32] <callmepk> morning jibel
[06:32] <jibel> Hi callmepk, how are you?
[06:32] <callmepk> I am fine, how about you?
[06:35] <KGB-2> mutter signed tags 3d35e8a Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.38.4-1ubuntu1 * mutter Debian release 3.38.4-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/H1bN
[06:35] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 5016985 Marco Trevisan * pushed 51 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3R3Ux
[06:35] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 92e39ea Simon McVittie debian/changelog * Release to unstable * https://deb.li/3RY6d
[06:35] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 6ff408a Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ series compositor-x11-Notify-the-sync-ring-about-frames-on-updat.patch * debian/patches: Include a missing commit to fix X11 UI stutters * https://deb.li/iUtix
[06:35] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master e50ebe0 Simon McVittie debian/changelog * Release to unstable * https://deb.li/igMsl
[06:35] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 695be17 Robert Mader src/wayland/ meta-wayland-subsurface.c meta-wayland-subsurface.h meta-wayland-surface.c meta-wayland-surface.h * wayland/subsurface: Move placement ops to the parents pending state * https://deb.li/Nysg
[06:36] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master ffd8b25 Florian Müllner NEWS meson.build * Bump version to 3.38.4 * https://deb.li/i3WFl
[06:36] <KGB-2> gnome-shell signed tags 2c63337 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.38.4-1ubuntu1 * gnome-shell Debian release 3.38.4-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/25gs
[06:36] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/master e81da2e Marco Trevisan * pushed 42 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3HWJU
[06:36] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/master b568737 Florian Müllner src/shell-app.c * shell/app: Only release window ref when we are done * https://deb.li/V3ln
[06:36] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 15871f9 Florian Müllner src/shell-app.c * shell/app: Expose icon as property * https://deb.li/3NPa7
[06:36] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/master b96f7d0 Florian Müllner src/shell-app.c * shell/app: Explicitly handle (X11) fallback icon changes * https://deb.li/RCx0
[06:36] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/master d91b41a Florian Müllner (6 files in 5 dirs) * Bump version to 3.38.4 * https://deb.li/3zym2
[06:36] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 910421c Simon McVittie (22 files in 11 dirs) * New upstream version 3.38.4 * https://deb.li/331Pi
[06:38] <duflu> Morning jibel
[06:39] <jibel> Hi duflu
[06:39] <jibel> callmepk, doing great, and a sunny week-end ahead, it's all good
[06:51] <didrocks> good morning
[06:52] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:54] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:19] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:20] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:23] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:30] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:32] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:32] <seb128> lut oSoMoN , ça va ?
[07:33] <oSoMoN> j’ai choppé le rhume de ma fille, donc pas la grande forme, mais ça va
[07:33] <oSoMoN> et toi?
[07:34] <seb128> un peu pareil, j'ai le mal de gorge des enfants et je me sens un peu ko...
[07:49] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:49] <ricotz> good morning!
[07:50] <duflu> Hi ricotz
[08:01] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN seb128 didrocks ricotz
[08:16] <Nafallo> salut tout le monde :-)
[08:20] <duflu> Hi Nafallo
[08:21] <didrocks> salut jibel
[08:21] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN, seb128
[08:23] <Nafallo> morning didrocks jibel duflu ricotz seb128 oSoMoN
[08:27] <jibel> Hi Nafallo
[08:34] <seb128> hey duflu, ricotz, Nafallo, lut jibel didrocks, happy friday!
[08:35] <duflu> seb128, looks like there's still a few of us for the meeting. Not sure if anyone would be bothered if you cancelled it
[08:35] <Nafallo> we need a happy friday emoji thing :-P
[08:44] <seb128> duflu, I was planning to join and have a round table or see if anyone had anything to discuss, it can be a short one if there is nothing to discuss
[08:44] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz, jibel, Nafallo, didrocks
[08:44] <seb128> but if you have conflicts or want to focus on wrapping other things feel free to skip
[08:44] <oSoMoN> a short one sounds good
[08:44] <duflu> Not sure. Trying to do a multi-project bisect which might run into the evening
[08:47] <marcustomlinson> morning all
[08:55] <Nafallo> morning marcustomlinson :-)
[08:57] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[08:59] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson
[09:10] <marcustomlinson> hey Nafallo duflu and oSoMoN
[09:33] <seb128> shrug, every friday I've connection issues to canonical servers for some reasons :-/
[09:34] <seb128> unsure how to workaround those or to determine if that's an ISP issue
[09:35] <seb128> doing tracepath gives no reply after  9:  SOURCE-MANA.ear2.London1.Level3.net                  37.838ms asymm 10
[09:36] <Nafallo> seb128: send me mtr -rn in pm or pastebin :-)


[06:23] <InHisName> adom: netsplit that disconnects you from chat. Reconnects in 2-3 minutes.  Ghost of past still there, so system increments name to adom_ for new login.  THEN finally the ghost drops out.  Only now you are able to name change back to orig name.
[09:25] <SamuraiAlba> Hail, and good bacon to all!  Well... not the hail... that hurts
[09:25] <rmg51> Morning
[09:25] <SamuraiAlba> Morning :D
[09:25] <SamuraiAlba> Hiring PHP developers does not contribute to the quota of employees with disabilities. :P
[11:02] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:14] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[14:25] <ChinnoDog> morning
[15:19] <tthomas__> Anyone active?
[15:24] <tthomas__> If anyone is local in the Pa, West Chester area and might be interested in a small job to create some linux scripts or consult us on how to do some linux system management please drop me a line.  We are an equipment manufacturer, and we deploy some linux based PC's on our machines, and we need to do some automated setup configurations to duplicate the machine configurations, set ip addresses... etc...
[15:24] <tthomas__> my email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:25] <tthomas__> or if anyone may point us in the direction of someone that might offer this kind of service... Thanks!
[16:47] <ChinnoDog> money
[17:05] <adom> InHisName: re: netsplit: Thanks for info. Any way to prevent that from happening?


[01:12] <jordi> hi
[01:12] <jordi> sivang?
[01:13] <jordi> sivang: mdke is having problems translating xml using xml2po for rtl languages. I thought you might know how to get yelp to show stuff rtl, not ltr
[01:13] <jordi> sivang: if you know something, please ping mdke.
[01:13] <jordi> I'm leaving again.
[02:01] <Kinnison> ciao all
[02:08] <Mez> https://launchpad.net/+specs
[02:08] <Mez> 404
[02:08] <Mez> should be
[02:08] <Mez> https://launchpad.net/specs
[02:13] <Mez> anyone around
[02:14] <Mez> your ticket 1 is a bit weird
[02:14] <Mez> says it's posted by mark
[02:14] <Mez> and then in the ticket  says it's posted by mark and someone else
[12:23] <mdke> sivang, yes, we have a problem because yelp displays the persian translation of a document from left to right, instead of right to left
[12:23] <Kinnison> Morning Launchpadders
[12:23] <mdke> morning
[01:34] <lifeless> ola
[01:45] <jordi> hey
[01:49] <Kinnison> hey jordi
[01:56] <jordi> hi Kinnison
[01:56] <jordi> damn, late as always
[01:56] <jordi> laters
[03:11] <SteveA> hi
[09:16] <tca> How can I remove my registration on lanchpad.net? I did register to see how it worked, but I don't intend to use it.
[09:24] <sivang> tca: you better ask tommorow morning, I think everyone are off now :-)
[09:24] <sivang> tca: btw, what don't you intend to use launchapd?
[09:26] <tca> I prefer people use whatever programs they like to do the translation, and just send me the .po file.
[10:00] <Kinnison> tca: may as well keep your registration in case you want to file bugs on other software which uses launchpad
[10:29] <sivang> Kinnison: say, if I want to suggest some improvment for the issue tracker to maybe be discussed at UBZ where shoudl I put it?
[10:29] <Kinnison> sivang: If you think it should be discussed at UBZ then suggest it as a BoF
[10:30] <Kinnison> I think the wiki has a page for it
[10:31] <sivang> Kinnison: the distro team has, the launchapd one - I didn't find
[10:32] <Kinnison> Hmm
[10:32] <Kinnison> one sec
[10:32] <sivang> I figured we should do a distinction between the two
[10:32] <Kinnison> Wait until tomorrow and suggest it (is my best guess)
[10:35] <sivang> Kinnison: maybe start a BOF suggestion page on the launchpad wiki?
[10:36] <Kinnison> It's a bit difficult. I'm not sure what the structure will be for the launchpad side
[10:36] <sivang> Kinnison: ok, who is responsiuble for that? Scheduling ?
[10:38] <Kinnison> not sure
[10:39] <sivang> Kinnison: ok, I will
[10:39] <sivang> Kinnison: good night again :-)


[01:15] <darkxst> pitti, is there some way to make tests work when they want their own dbus interface?
[01:16] <darkxst> (/«PKGBUILDDIR»/tests/libtracker-miner/.libs/lt-tracker-file-notifier-test:5956): Tracker-CRITICAL **: Could not get SPARQL connection: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Tracker1 was not provided by any .service files
[10:48] <Laney> Saviq: oh?
[10:48] <Laney> Saviq: your MP fixes that?
[10:48] <Laney> can you get kenvandine to look?
[10:49] <Laney> I wasn't involved with the libqofono MPs so I don't really know about it yet


[10:16] <RoyK> hi all. what can be done to have the fix from bug 1171945 make it into the affected distro versions?
[10:19] <brainwash> RoyK: please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[19:01] <saiarcot895> Can someone nominate bug #1339264 for a Trusty SRU?
[21:00] <saiarcot895> Can someone nominate bug #1339264 for a Trusty SRU?


[00:11] <elky> Hmm, i included the news team on the To: for the announcement email. Is there something else I needed to do to get the competition Fridge'd?
[00:17] <pleia2> first pleia2 needs to finish work
[00:17] <pleia2> then I'll get it up
[00:18] <pleia2> akgraner is a fridge editor now too, but she was busy today as well
[00:19] <elky> nhandler is too afaik,
[00:20] <nhandler> Need me?
[00:20] <pleia2> he's mostly around in evenings, he has to proof my post anyway
[00:20] <pleia2> nhandler: I'll need you in a few when I post the new UW competition to fridge
[00:20] <nhandler> Ah yes, it was on my todo list for after dinner ;) It is all yours if you want pleia2
[00:20] <elky> also, someone get jono to RT it. Surely it's more RTworthy than RTing someone mentioning his book :P
[00:21] <nhandler> elky: Link to a dent?
[00:21] <pleia2> nhandler: I have rough html tossed together, then work ate me
[00:21]  * pleia2 will finish soon
[00:21] <nhandler> No rush pleia2. I'll be around probably about 5 more hours (at least)
[00:21] <pleia2> great
[00:21] <elky> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2010-April/002759.html is the email announcement
[00:22] <pleia2> yep, already mostly drafted into the announcement :)
[00:22] <elky> and if i can learn how identI.ca is spelled, i'll get you that
[00:23] <elky> http://identi.ca/notice/28397262 http://twitter.com/elkbuntu/status/12112708587
[00:24] <nhandler> Retweeted and redented
[00:24] <elky> i need to run to work now, cyas in 40
[00:37] <maco> elky: *snort*
[00:37] <maco> (@ jono RT priorities)
[00:40] <pleia2> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2016
[01:02] <IdleOne> Evening
[01:02] <IdleOne> Edith_: welcome!!
[01:03] <hypatia> this is an awesome contest
[01:03] <hypatia> :D
[01:05] <Edith_> Hello  IdleOne ! I'm trying to translate Base de données. Where do you want I send to you the trial ?
[01:06] <IdleOne> you don't have to send it to me. you can just add to the wiki page.
[01:06] <IdleOne> I see all the updates.
[01:07] <IdleOne> Edith_: this is a team project, so pleia2 has volunteered me :) as team lead for the French translations but we all work together :)
[01:08] <IdleOne> What I mean is that if you see an error or something that can be worded better please feel free to edit :)
[01:08] <IdleOne> oh
[01:08] <IdleOne> Thank you so much for all the excellent work you are doing!
[01:09] <Edith_> It's nothing. I like it
[01:10] <elky> That's what contributing is all about; enjoying yourself :)
[01:11]  * IdleOne has not been able to do any translation the past week or so, busy with work but I do keep an eye on it
[01:15] <IdleOne> dinner/souper
[01:37] <Edith_> IdleOne, j'ai un problème. Je ne sais comment conserver les hyperliens, après avoir fait la traduction :(
[01:37] <IdleOne> quels liens exactement?
[01:39] <IdleOne> les liens qui dirigent aux entrevues et autre articles en anglais on ne traduit pas
[01:39] <IdleOne> mais on vas les inclures
[01:40] <IdleOne> Do we know if there is a Code of Conduct in French we can link to?
[01:42] <Edith_> I don't know.
[01:46] <maco> that would be useful to have
[01:46] <elky> asking in #ubuntu-fr might be worthwhile
[01:53] <IdleOne> indeed
[01:54] <IdleOne> also in other languages
[01:55] <IdleOne> Who is in charge of the CoC and it's wording? irc council right?
[01:55] <pleia2> community council
[01:55] <IdleOne> pleia2: would be nice if someone on that council can maybe find out if there is an official way of getting the CoC translated :)
[01:56] <pleia2> the ubuntu website is currently undergoing the beginnings of a translations project
[01:56] <pleia2> it might be included, I'm not sure
[01:57] <elky> It amazes me that it's taken us, what, more than 5 years to get to "beginnings of a translation project" for the website
[01:57] <elky> sadmaking :(
[01:58] <IdleOne> elky: true but atleast it is started :)
[01:58] <elky> yep
[01:58] <JanC> translating the whole site is not exactly easy
[01:58] <JanC> especially not keeping translations up-to-date
[01:58] <elky> JanC, sure, and it's harder when you don't even start.
[01:59] <JanC> elky: parts of the site are already translated on locoteam sites
[02:00] <JanC> what I understood is that ubuntu.com won't be translated, but would gain a feature to link to such translations
[02:00] <IdleOne> there is an unofficial translation at http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/codedeconduite
[02:01] <JanC> I think there is an unofficial translation in Dutch too
[02:01] <pleia2> looks like that unofficial translation hasn't been updated for the latest CoC revision
[02:01] <IdleOne> reading over it now to see if it is close enough for us to use as a temporary fix but with a link to the official English version included
[02:01] <pleia2> (not a huge deal since the nature of it is the same, but might be worth pointing out to them)
[02:02] <IdleOne> pleia2: that is why I thought we might be able to use with a link to official updated version
[02:02] <pleia2> honestly I'm not all that familiar with translations in Ubuntu
[02:04] <JanC> pleia2: happy you  ;)
[02:04] <IdleOne> ok, for now we can leave it linked to the official CoC.
[02:04] <elky> You know what we could really use right now? Competition translations :)
[02:05] <IdleOne> elky: msg me the links I'll add to the todo page
[02:07] <elky> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay ... http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay/Announcement ... http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay/HowToEnter ... http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay/Announcement/ModelReleaseWaiver
[02:11] <IdleOne> errr she left
[02:12] <IdleOne> I was about to ask her to look at the edits I did to http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Fr/Basededonnée so she can see the format to links in wiki :/
[02:12] <IdleOne> elky: will add those links to the todo page
[02:33] <IdleOne> When is this contest over?
[02:41] <valorie> Enter before 2359UTC 14th May 2010
[02:43] <IdleOne> doesn't leave much time to translate and the Release form is going to be tricky due to it's legal ramifications
[02:43] <IdleOne> Will do our best :)
[02:43] <pleia2> yeah, it took ages to get anything released for this competition due to legal stuff
[02:44] <pleia2> we were trying to get it out weeks ago :(
[02:44] <IdleOne> pleia2 I know, wasn't trying to blame anybody just saying :/
[02:44] <pleia2> thanks for trying
[02:59] <IdleOne> pleia2: CoC 1.0.1 is the updated version?
[02:59] <pleia2> IdleOne: yep
[02:59] <IdleOne> ok
[03:33] <IdleOne> ok posted on the -fr forum for help with translation. Hoping to get a bunch more people involved :)
[04:11] <JanC> probably best make clear they have to sign the English form though
[04:14] <elky> Why? So long as we have someone who can validate the match, it shouldn't matter. And signing a form you don't understand verbatim is really quite wrong.
[04:14] <pleia2> yeah, there should be translations in lp to sign
[04:15] <JanC> well, true, but we have no way to tell if a translation is correct?
[04:15] <pleia2> we work with trusted members of the ubuntu community
[04:15] <elky> JanC, that's why you have /authorised/ translations
[04:16] <elky> JanC, signing something in a language you do not understand is something that IMHO should /immediately/ invalidate it.
[04:16] <elky> And I consider legalese to be a language in this respect.
[04:17] <JanC> elky: true, but OTOH, it has to be legally sound, even if it's in plain English, French, etc.  ☺
[04:18] <IdleOne> JanC: the French version links to the English. I agree with elky and pleia2 that we need official translations.
[04:18] <IdleOne> only the CC can approve those unless I am mistaken
[04:19] <elky> or appoint someone to do so, yes
[04:19] <JanC> I was talking about the release form  ;)
[04:19] <pleia2> a process will have to be established, none exists
[04:19] <elky> JanC, even more important then
[04:20] <IdleOne> So I will edit the current French translation to reflect CoC1.0.1 and propose soon as I can. Probably Thursday or Friday.
[04:20] <pleia2> thanks IdleOne :)
[04:20] <JanC> elky: it' something that goes both ways, I agree that nobody should sign a model release form they don't undertsand, but how can you use the photographs if you don't understand what they signed?  ☺
[04:21] <elky> JanC, because we delegate to someone we do trust to testify to us
[04:21] <IdleOne> then CC can decide on process quicker since they will already have a propsed version to approve :)
[04:21] <IdleOne> proposed*
[04:21] <elky> like IdleOne for french, etc
[04:22] <elky> JanC, the burden is on /us/, not the signatory
[04:26]  * IdleOne puts the pen in the French peoples hand and MAKES them sign
[04:27] <IdleOne> *bad french accent spoken in English* Yuu will sign zee paper or I will break zee face
[04:27] <IdleOne> lol
[04:28] <IdleOne> I could of mistyped that a lot funnier
[04:28] <IdleOne> oh well
[04:29] <IdleOne> monolinguals, go figure
[04:29] <pleia2> pfft, monolinguals
[04:29] <pleia2> oh wait
[04:29] <IdleOne> hehe
[04:29] <IdleOne> pleia2: you speak typoese also
[04:29] <pleia2> yeah!
[04:32] <JanC> learning a second language isn't mandatory in the US?  ☺
[04:33] <IdleOne> learning a first language is mandatory
[04:33] <IdleOne> isn't*
[04:33] <JanC> IdleOne: you sure?
[04:33] <IdleOne> US doesn't have a official language
[04:34] <IdleOne> So learning it can't be mandatory
[04:34]  * IdleOne uses own logic to convince himself he is right
[04:34] <JanC> even then, they should make learning multiple languages mandatory IMHO
[04:35] <JanC> in Belgium it's mandatory from 10yo on (or 8yo in Brussels & some other bilingual regions IIRC)
[04:38] <JanC> so my French isn't very good because I don't practice is, but I still know when somebody makes an error in French (and I guess speaking it would improve quickly if I lived some place where French would be useful)
[04:53] <akgraner> Just walked back in the door - gave a talk tonight  - but it was a 6 hour drive round trip
[04:53] <pleia2> akgraner: how'd the talk go?
[04:54] <akgraner> great - a women that teaches at ECPI gave one talk  - history of open source
[04:54] <pleia2> cool
[04:54] <akgraner> she was cool - but I was sad that the 1st 5 mins was all about how she was qualified to give the talk
[04:55] <akgraner> I was sad she felt she had to justify why she was qualified I should say
[04:55] <pleia2> I have gone back and forth on that point, ended with everyone agreeing that giving qualifications is good
[04:56] <akgraner> Yeah I liked it - but you could tell that she felt she had too
[04:57] <akgraner> so she is going to check out the UW site
[04:57] <akgraner> I showed her some of it  - and she said her students would really like it
[04:57] <akgraner> :-)
[04:57] <akgraner> so that was cool
[04:57] <pleia2> yay :)
[04:58] <akgraner> and I told her all about the learning project
[04:58] <pleia2> I am hoping we can make more progress on learning in the next cycle
[04:59] <akgraner> and all the "ubuntu" weeks stuff - she was really interested in all that - most of the folks really wanted to know more about quickly, opportunistic developer and developer weeks
[04:59] <akgraner> how the server devels differ from desktop devels
[04:59] <pleia2> cool
[04:59] <akgraner> and the cool  part  - I knew what to tell them
[04:59] <pleia2> yay you! :)
[05:00] <akgraner> oh and Lernid blew their mind
[05:00] <pleia2> yeah, it really is way better than just irc for new users
[05:00] <akgraner> people were like where can I find more info on that
[05:00] <pleia2> classbot now posts the link to the slides at the beginning of the session too, so people on irc can follow along easier
[05:00] <akgraner> by the end of the talk even the non-ubuntu users were looking at Ubuntu Community stuff and how they could get involved
[05:01] <pleia2> :D
[05:01] <akgraner> pleia2, I have to learn how to use all that before open week
[05:01] <akgraner> :-)
[05:01] <pleia2> hehe, maybe we'll give a classbot class
[05:01] <pleia2> it's not too hard though
[05:02] <pleia2> and there are some test channels set up if you want to practice sometime
[05:04] <akgraner> pleia2, yep I would love too - I'll block some time tomorrow
[05:04] <akgraner> John and I are going over stuff most of the day tomorrow
[05:05] <pleia2> akgraner: tomorrow isn't good for me (I'll be hangning out with pgraner for a few days!) so grab either nhandler or cjohnston
[05:05] <akgraner> hehe - so he *is* there :-)
[05:05] <pleia2> I'm sure either of them would be happy to get you set up for some testing :)
[05:06] <pleia2> well, I haven't seen him yet ;)
[05:06] <akgraner> I snag one of them  - gotta talk to cjohnston anyways
[05:06] <pleia2> cool
[05:06] <pleia2> he can set up a test session with you as the instructor and feed you soem QUESTION:s
[05:06] <akgraner> ahh ok cool
[05:07] <nhandler> I'll be around tomorrow evening if desired
[05:07] <akgraner> collaboration summit starts tomorrow right?
[05:07] <akgraner> nhandler, awesome!
[05:07] <pleia2> akgraner: yep
[05:08] <pleia2> and Myrtti will be there too \o/
[05:08] <akgraner> nhandler, there is a guy  - john someone  - I meet him tonight at the LUG meeting I spoke at - I gave him your name as the script guru - he loves writing scripts so you came to mind...
[05:08] <nhandler> :)
[05:09] <pleia2> nhandler is an /everything/ guru
[05:09] <akgraner> pleia2, cool - hope you all have a great time
[05:09] <nhandler> akgraner: You might also like http://people.ubuntu.com/~nhandler/myslides/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/ClassBot (for classbot)
[05:09] <nhandler> Right now, I'm going to be the Sleeping Guy. Night
[05:09]  * akgraner bookmarks those links
[05:09] <pleia2> night nhandler
[05:09] <akgraner> thanks and goodnight
[06:07] <IdleOne> Ok I have created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Proposed/frCodeOfConduct and sent email to the community council
[06:08] <IdleOne> on an UGH note: I posted on the -fr forum asking for help with translation and I have received my first " Why do Women need an Ubuntu Women Project" response :/
[06:09] <pleia2> welcome to our world :)
[06:09] <elky> Sounds about right.
[06:09] <IdleOne> :) EFFIN happy to be here
[06:09] <elky> We'll check back on you in a month for any changes to that statement.
[06:09] <IdleOne> hehe
[06:10] <IdleOne> well least I know where to go to get support and encouragement
[06:10] <elky> hehe
[06:10] <IdleOne> :P
[06:10]  * IdleOne is learning and applying the look on the bright side of things philosophy
[06:11] <IdleOne> So where do we keep the cookies in this world?
[06:12]  * pleia2 opens the cookie jar and gets a cookie for IdleOne
[06:12] <IdleOne> nom nommy nom nom
[06:12] <pleia2> :)
[06:21] <IdleOne> Good night!
[06:31] <maco> IdleOne: if you join #kubuntu-devel i might be able to convince kubotu to give you cookies :P
[06:39] <elky> !cookies
[06:39] <ubot2> Cookies are delicious delicacies.
[07:23] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <AlanBell> akgraner: pong
[08:22] <AlanBell> ping czajkowski
[09:14] <czajkowski> AlanBell: pong
[09:15] <AlanBell> hi
[09:15] <AlanBell> the spreadsheet needs updating, but I know you don't have much time
[09:16] <AlanBell> I was thinking of just going through the process here, so you and everyone can follow along
[09:16] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I've penciled in Sunday to work on UW stuff
[09:16] <AlanBell> and laugh at my weak spreadsheeting skills
[09:16] <czajkowski> tomorrow talking at a GGD meet up, friday work on ossbarcamp, saturday IS OSSbarcamp so Sunday is looking good
[09:16] <czajkowski> :)
[09:17] <AlanBell> akgraner: is Sunday OK or do you want an update today?
[09:18] <AlanBell> saturday is the Science Museum visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ScienceMuseumVisit
[09:19] <czajkowski> AlanBell: is it urgent it needs doing?
[09:19] <czajkowski> I guess I could work on it tonight in between runs to airport?
[09:20] <AlanBell> akgraner is doing something with the data
[09:20] <akgraner> Alan Sunday is fine I can use what is there for now :-)  or is it up to date through March?
[09:20] <akgraner> Just need to know where the cutoff is - not in those sheets at the moment of I would look :-/
[09:22] <AlanBell> cutoff is somewhere in March, probably at the start of the month
[09:23] <akgraner> AlanBell, that will work - don't spend too much time - it's not that critical and I can always go back and up date once you tell me its ready :-)
[09:23] <AlanBell> ok, lets go through it on Sunday then czajkowski
[09:24] <czajkowski> AlanBell: adding to google cal now what time suits
[09:24] <akgraner> Thank you!!
[09:24] <AlanBell> gosh, I am not that organised!
[09:24] <czajkowski> AlanBell: my bad.
[09:24] <AlanBell> um some time on Sunday, after I wake up, before I pass out
[09:25] <czajkowski> if tis in google cal I get a reminder and I also look at it when planning other bits and bobs
[09:25] <czajkowski> ok
[11:06] <AlanBell> actually sunday might not be so great
[11:06] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ok
[20:15] <althara> Any other ubuntu women people going to LinuxFest Northwest?
[20:15] <althara> http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org
[20:16] <althara> Also do we have a flier for Ubuntu Women that I can print up and have at the Washington LoCo table?
[20:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: yes it's on the wiki
[20:17] <akgraner> althara, we have some stuff on the resources page
[20:17] <czajkowski> under resournces
[20:17] <czajkowski> *resources
[20:17] <czajkowski> :)
[20:17] <akgraner> one sec I'll grab you the link
[20:17] <akgraner> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Resources
[20:19] <althara> Yay
[20:19] <althara> Thanks
[20:35] <althara> Just order a bunch of busines cards using the designs elky put up. Woohoo!
[20:36] <althara> ordered, even my brain is slow today
[20:37] <akgraner> they are really great and people think they are really cool
[22:18] <akgraner> svaksha, ping
[22:18] <akgraner> do you have like 5 mins need to get some stats from you on the mailing list if you have a sec I can let you know what I am looking for :-)
[23:22] <pleia2> akgraner: fwiw jamfish over in -women is also a list admin
[23:22] <pleia2> also - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2010-April/000953.html
[23:23] <pleia2> "Canonical is slowing moving away from Drupal. ...There is a Drupal to Wordpress migration"
[23:23] <pleia2> this matters to us because it looks like canonical is going to start supporting wordpress
[23:23] <pleia2> which I believe is the better option for this team blog-wise
[23:24] <valorie> yay althara!!!!!!!!!!
[23:24] <pleia2> if this is the case, we should probably hold off on our blog (which wasn't officially a cycle goal anyway, just the static website was) and wait until they can offer us wordpress
[23:24]  * valorie is gonna try to be at the fest
[23:24] <valorie> it's a long drive though
[23:26] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks!
[23:55]  * AlanBell huggles wordpress
[23:55] <AlanBell> http://votegeek.org.uk is a wordpress site and it was easy peasy