[06:20] <raDeon> d00d enemy territory is the shiznit
[06:20] <novaflare> just curious reka do you know what bugger accualy means ?
[06:20] <raDeon> but it's madd old yo
[06:20] <novaflare> hmm
[06:20] <toxicfume> delire: now i get (EE) Failed to load module "Keyboard" (module does not exist, 0)
[06:20] <delire> toxicfume: hehe told you ;)
[06:20] <novaflare> im useing fglrx
[06:20] <toxicfume> delire: and still the (EE) No devices detected
[06:20] <reka> novaflare: apps->accessories->dictionary.  :-) something like bastard i'd presume :-)
[06:21] <novaflare> hahah
[06:21] <novaflare> um not exactly :)
[06:21] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, got any clue?
[06:21] <danko123> you have a dictionary there?
[06:21] <reka> novaflare: "guilty of buggery"
[06:21] <delire> toxicfume: ok i don't think the problem is your gfx card anymore. it's other devices.
[06:21] <reka> novaflare: i.e. sodomy :-)
[06:21] <novaflare> heh
[06:21] <raDeon> bugger is someone who commits sodomy
[06:21] <reka> danko123: in gnome, yes.
[06:21] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: if the uninstall file isn't there, I don't have any clues
[06:21] <novaflare> well i use to say it all the time till i learned what it ment heh
[06:22] <danko123> wow...
[06:22] <novaflare> i remember people sayin oh what a cute little ugger
[06:22] <danko123> raDeon: really?
[06:22] <raDeon> yes
[06:22] <danko123> wow
[06:22] <toxicfume> delire: oh..but onething i noticed
[06:22] <danko123> sodomy is like what? Ill dict it, dont even go there...
[06:22] <aciDHead> is there an v4l channel somewhere ???
[06:22] <reka> novaflare: well, no one wants to be called an ugger. ;-)
[06:22] <toxicfume> delire: in the logs, there are a big list of cards mentioned, but mine isn't mentioned (there is no MOBILITY RADEON x700)
[06:22] <raDeon> haha yeah look up sodomy
[06:23] <reka> danko123:  ()()  <|[06:23] <danko123> hahahah lol
[06:23] <danko123> come on...
[06:23] <danko123> lol
[06:23] <reka> hang on, these are better:  (_)(_)
[06:23] <delire> toxicfume: many thousands of people run your mobility card in linux. google.com/linux to see this.
[06:23] <toxicfume> delire: oh okay
[06:23] <danko123> lmao...:)
[06:23] <novaflare> so delire with atis offical drivers what do i need to do to install them? And can i expect a 3d performance gain with them?
[06:23] <toxicfume> delire: so how do i find out which devices are the problem? :(
[06:24] <reka> danko123: i thought you were going to bed?  you'll have sweet dreams tonight. :-)
[06:24] <raDeon> ati users are buggers
[06:24] <novaflare> ...
[06:24] <danko123> reka: It is not night, I just woke up...I am sick, so I should be in bed, yes...
[06:24] <Shuddertrix> ati users have it bad in linux, from what i hear
[06:24] <danko123> raDeon is an ATI card, so, by induction, it follows....
[06:25] <reka> novaflare: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:25] <hondje> ati users are screwed
[06:25] <hondje> They spend hours of work, and then get shite performance in linux :(
[06:25] <danko123> it works in the end.
[06:25] <delire> toxicfume: i don't know what to suggest now without being present, sadly. i would suggest dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:25] <raDeon> i dont use a radeon though
[06:25] <delire> toxicfume: and go through the list of options carefully.
[06:25] <danko123> whatever, you are the thing in itself...
[06:25] <Shuddertrix> raDeon: go you then. unless it's a rage.
[06:25] <reka> hondje: i wouldn't call a three step process "hours"
[06:26] <delire> hondje: not at all. just using the ubuntu installation method it seems. i have had little problems with ati drivers over the last year or two.
[06:26] <medkit> To install the ATI fglrx drivers 8.12.10 and get xconf to work:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread was helpful
[06:26] <hondje> hrm, there goes my ATI troll :(
[06:26] <medkit> but you have to read the full threa to the end
[06:27] <novaflare> hmm i didnt think fglrx were the ati drivers from ati.com
[06:27] <toxicfume> delire: arrgh, this sucks..thanks for the help though :)
[06:27] <novaflare> i got the fglrx installed
[06:27] <hondje> I have all nvidia cards, so it's never bit me
[06:27] <rvangemert> hello all
[06:27] <delire> toxicfume: must be very frustrating. see what medkit said perhaps?
[06:27] <medkit> but it took me about 10 hours to figure all out
[06:29] <delire> toxicfume: perhaps go back to the device name 'ati' until you have a better solution? i always grab the driver straight from ati.com and compile it. takes about 5 mintues to get up and running using that method.
[06:30] <toxicfume> hmm
[06:30] <toxicfume> you know what
[06:30] <novaflare> delire whats the gain over fglrx with atis drivers from atis site?
[06:30] <danko123> man, wtf.... I brioke my linux again...
[06:30] <delire> novaflare: fglrx are the drivers from the ati site.
[06:30] <toxicfume> i think the problem is select the refrsh rates...cause i really don't know what refresh rate i need to select for my LCD monitor on my laptop
[06:30] <novaflare> o ok
[06:30] <novaflare> hmm
[06:30] <tim167> hi all, anyone know anything about webcam support on ubuntu ? I have 3 cheap cams here and I want to use them on ubuntu. Its a logitech quickcam express, a labtec (sort of webcam express clone) and a Peabird mini webcam)
[06:30] <delire> novaflare: ubuntu just repackage them
[06:30] <robert_> w00t w00t i installed java
[06:30] <novaflare> k
[06:30] <danko123> great, rob.
[06:30] <novaflare> is what i thought
[06:30] <robert_> finally..
[06:30] <Echelon-H> anyone knows why my hebrew is not working in OpenOffice and it is in gedit?
[06:31] <novaflare> know any performance/quality tweaks for them delire ?
[06:31] <delire> toxicfume: extremely likely. if you look at the whole log you may see other signs.
[06:31] <novaflare> i got a few minor isues in both areas
[06:31] <hondje> Echelon-H: OpenOffice doesn't get its settings from the desktop
[06:31] <toxicfume> delire: not that i understand :/
[06:31] <danko123> tim167:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[06:31] <reka> toxicfume: do you know what resolution you can go up to in windows?
[06:31] <medkit> refresh rate on lcd almost: 60 hz or 75 hz
[06:31] <raDeon> Vanlal, me too
[06:31] <Echelon-H> hondje, which means?
[06:31] <toxicfume> what colour depth should my lcd monitor be? 16bits? or 24bits? or another?
[06:31] <Vanlal> heh ...
[06:31] <Echelon-H> I can use hebrew in it?
[06:31] <raDeon> it's already been a day
[06:31] <delire> toxicfume: i'd give you my email address but you can't send it outside of X can you..
[06:31] <raDeon> and still no sign of them
[06:31] <hondje> Echelon-H: You have to dig around the settings in OpenOffice
[06:31] <iceman> any one know a good place to get theme packages besides kde-look ...
[06:31] <toxicfume> reka: my lcd's default resolution in windows is 1280x800 (widescreen)
[06:32] <Echelon-H> hondje, k
[06:32] <tim167> ok thanks ! I ll have a look
[06:32] <hondje> Echelon-H: Or, now that I think about it, they probably have a language pack
[06:32] <toxicfume> delire: nope, isn't there a way to configure pop3 in console?
[06:33] <hondje> Echelon-H: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-he
[06:33] <danko123> toxicfume: mailx works in console.
[06:33] <danko123> man mailx
[06:33] <danko123> for sending emails, right?
[06:33] <Bram> dvdrip asks me for a device number in n,n,n format
[06:34] <Bram> where do i find that ?
[06:34] <Echelon-H> hondje, wow, that was fast
[06:34] <tim167> what program can I use to test a webcam ?
[06:34] <danko123> man, ugh!! anyone have any pointers on why my movies wont play anymore, its been working for a long time now...
[06:34] <hondje> Echelon-H: I'm a apt-cache search ninja
[06:34] <Echelon-H> hondje, but one momeny maybe I got it sorted up.
[06:34] <danko123> tim167: gnome-meeting.
[06:34] <Echelon-H> hondje, lol
[06:34] <rvangemert> tim167: gnomemeeting
[06:34] <hondje> Echelon-H: That, and I installed Korean OOorg yesterday
[06:34] <tim167> :)
[06:35] <danko123> my movies have been playing always, and now I installed the xorg-driver-fglrx even tho I dont have that card, and after removing it, it is still not working...
[06:35] <rvangemert> danko: codecs?
[06:35] <rvangemert> ooh
[06:35] <danko123> rvangemert: it has been working for a while now...
[06:35] <danko123> I borked it somehow.
[06:35] <toxicfume> danko123: yup, and preferrably sending attachments too :)
[06:35] <rvangemert> yes i know now ;)
[06:35] <Echelon-H> hmmm
[06:35] <danko123> starts playing, and then freezes.
[06:35] <reka> danko123: you installed xorg and you don't have an ATI card?
[06:35] <danko123> I wonder what I did.
[06:35] <danko123> :) reka
[06:35] <Echelon-H> why is it sometimes that apt-get install asks me if I want to install and sometimes not?
[06:35] <reka> *fglrx
[06:35] <Chambers`> whats the best way to refresh the gnome panel?
[06:36] <reka> Chambers`: killall gnome-panel
[06:36] <raDeon> Chambers`, hit f5
[06:36] <Chambers`> thanks
[06:36] <danko123> toxicfume: yeah, mailx<EMAIL_ADDRESS><file.tx
[06:36] <hondje> Echelon-H: I'd imagine that when it asks, it needs to download more than just what you told it to
[06:36] <danko123> man mailx for more info
[06:36] <raDeon> no problem
[06:36] <danko123> right from your computer to his email address.
[06:36] <Echelon-H> hondje, oh.
[06:36] <lonewolff> Echelon-H: just installing what you asked it just goes ahead, if its installing what you asked for as well as other packaged (dependencies) it asks so you can check what its installing
[06:36] <Bramme> where can i find the device number of my cdwriter ?
[06:36] <Echelon-H> hondje, wow, the kpbs is SLOW. im donwloading on 270B!!
[06:37] <hondje> :(
[06:37] <toxicfume> danko123: thanks:)
[06:37] <Echelon-H> lonewolff, thanks :)
[06:37] <danko123> yup
[06:37] <rvangemert> danko: maybe this will help you set the right gfx driver for xorg>> sudo xorg -configure
[06:37] <hondje> Hey, there seem to be people who know this sorta thing here....what's better for sound, a52 or ac3?
[06:37] <medkit> I need a hint to play xvid avis. Totem or Mplayer are quitting out with errors.
[06:38] <reka> medkit: what errors?
[06:38] <rvangemert> medkit, dit you install the win32codecs
[06:38] <rvangemert> ?
[06:38] <Echelon-H> can I abort in the middle of the download?
[06:38] <medkit> win32codecs installed
[06:38] <rvangemert> ok
[06:38] <hondje> Echelon-H: yeah, shouldn't cause a problem
[06:38] <medkit> Totem says: resource not available
[06:38] <reka> medkit: totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[06:38] <medkit> Mplayer says: error in decoding audio stram
[06:39] <medkit> totem-gstreaer
[06:39] <rvangemert> hmm
[06:39] <reka> medkit: try killall esd
[06:39] <danko123> um:(... I should not do these things to my comp... anyhow... this is a picture you can see, to testify I am sick... http://www.mts.net/~danb/dscn0352.jpg its a bit high res.
[06:39] <Echelon-H> bah, can I download from a faster source?
[06:39] <Echelon-H> becasuse the apt-get was just SLOW Now.
[06:40] <reka> Echelon-H: i think there are mirros out there.  are you in the US?
[06:40] <reka> *mirrors
[06:40] <Echelon-H> reka, i'm in israel.
[06:40] <reka> Echelon-H: hmmm, what's the domain name?
[06:40] <danko123> tghats why you are trying to install hebrew support:)
[06:40] <Echelon-H> reka, but it doesn't matter, anything would be faster than 207B
[06:40] <reka> for israel?
[06:40] <medkit> killall esd - no effect reka
[06:41] <Echelon-H> danko123, yeah, hehe.
[06:41] <danko123> should not give output, medkit.
[06:41] <danko123> try your movies now.
[06:41] <hondje> Anyone? libac3 vs liba52?
[06:41] <Echelon-H> reka, uuuhh netvision.net.il?
[06:41] <tommy> ds
[06:42] <tommy> holler back youngins
[06:42] <danko123> sudo xorg -configure is not a command, which one did you mean, teebones?
[06:42] <reka> Echelon-H: try appending il.  sort of like this: deb http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[06:42] <reka> in your repo list
[06:42] <teebones> danko: i mean ehm.. let me see.. i know xorg has such function
[06:43] <danko123> dpkg --reconfigure xorg?
[06:43] <medkit> Mplayer interupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[06:43] <tim167> I get no 'device found' in gnome meeting webcam settings, do I have to restart with camera connected or is this enough proof that my cams aren't supported?
[06:43] <danko123> is that what you mean?
[06:43] <Echelon-H> reka, do you know reka means background in hebrew :P?
[06:43] <danko123> tim167: are they listed in that list I gave you?
[06:43] <Echelon-H> you write it like this:
[06:43] <Echelon-H>
[06:43] <danko123> ooh, facny.
[06:43] <Echelon-H> :D
[06:43] <reka> Echelon-H: i think you told me yesterday. :-)
[06:43] <reka> it also means "right" in slavik apparently.
[06:44] <Echelon-H> reka, Yeah, i just wasn't so sure.
[06:44] <danko123> in yugoslavian/serbian, it means river
[06:44] <reka> cool :-)
[06:44] <Echelon-H> reka, where are you from anyway? and what reka means @ your place?
[06:44] <tim167> one of them is, logitech quickcam express, marked 'not out of the box'
[06:44] <teebones> danko: try this...
[06:44] <reka> i'm in aus.  i just chopped the first few letters of "eureka"
[06:44] <teebones> sudo Xorg --configure
[06:44] <teebones> (caps X)
[06:45] <teebones> and oh yeah.. use 1 dash.. not 2
[06:45] <danko123> teebones: http://pastebin.com/291730 .
[06:45] <danko123> k
[06:45] <danko123> just a sec
[06:45] <pgavin> uhh...
[06:45] <danko123> no, no such command, again, I mean, no such option.
[06:46] <raDeon> gagagahgahahah a teebone
[06:46] <reka> medkit: sounds like an audio problem, but are you only having the problem with xvid files?
[06:46] <pgavin> why would my key bindings in gnome get all screwed up like they are now?
[06:46] <teebones> danko: ehmm what did you type ?
[06:46] <teebones> (exactly)
[06:46] <pgavin> like, in gnome-terminal, ctrl-shift-t closes the current tab
[06:46] <danko123> http://pastebin.com/291731 teebones.
[06:46] <reka> pgavin: and it's not working now?
[06:46] <pgavin> ctrl-f in synaptic closes synaptic entirely
[06:47] <raDeon> HAHA TEEBONES
[06:47] <medkit> reka: i can hear music from cd and play mp3.
[06:47] <syn1> how do i get Xfce4 to auto detect printers?
[06:47] <reka> medkit: what about vid files?
[06:47] <syn1> on my lan
[06:47] <pgavin> reka: well, ctrl-shift-t is supposed to *open* a new tab
[06:47] <teebones> danko: yes you need to exit X
[06:47] <teebones> ;-)
[06:47] <reka> syn1: you might find better help at #xfce
[06:47] <pgavin> reka: and now it closes the tab instead
[06:47] <umarmung> How can I mount a reiserfs partition as user:user instead as root:root?
[06:47] <stimpie> I created a vfat filesystem on a floppy, if I now copy a file with a long name to it. the file name gets shorten to the 8.3 lenght what am I doing wrong?
[06:47] <syn1> reka: but im running xfce on top of ubuntu.
[06:48] <reka> pgavin: system->prefs->k/b shortcuts
[06:48] <medkit> vid files: no go. Tried the game civ3 yesterday: no sound. Should i choose another sound architecture like alsa?
[06:48] <reka> pgavin: in gnome-terminal: edit->k/b shortcuts
[06:48] <nalioth> synd: how goes the hunt for gkrellm, superkaramba or gdesklets?
[06:48] <teebones> danko: do this: make backup of your current config.. then exit X .. on the console type: sudo Xorg -configure
[06:48] <danko123> teebones: yes, what exactly should I do,. I dont even think its that, Ill try something else, brb.
[06:48] <synd> nalioth: i decided on gkrellm
[06:48] <teebones> that follow the instruction to test the new configure it made for you
[06:49] <Echelon-H> is there a command to run openoffice writer through the terminal?
[06:49] <Amaranth> teebones: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg would be better
[06:49] <reka> synd: OK, i assumed XFCE uses a different print management system.
[06:49] <teebones> ok..
[06:49] <stimpie> Echelon-H, oowriter
[06:49] <teebones> ;)
[06:49] <Echelon-H> stimpie, thanks!
[06:49] <pgavin> reka: I never changed those, and even if I set them, they still are messed up
[06:49] <nalioth> synd: simple is best
[06:50] <tiglionabbit> Echelon-H: if you right-click on something and select Edit Item or Properties or something, it will have the command in a Command field
[06:50] <pgavin> reka: maybe I should just rm -rf ~/.gnome :b
[06:50] <synd> nalioth: simple? whatcha mean
[06:50] <danko123> bah
[06:50] <teebones> Amaranth: I'm new to Ubuntu and thus Debian distro, but i have long time experience with linux (other distro's).. and so i am a newbie with apt commands ;-)
[06:50] <reka> pgavin: maybe.  just don't blame me.
[06:50] <Rebroad> danko123: isn't it a bit silly that in order to write a CD, one must have 700Mb of free disk space so that the files to be burned can be copied to the same disk beforehand?
[06:50] <pgavin> reka: lol :b
[06:50] <tiglionabbit> teebones: well, apt is easy, and you'll love it
[06:51] <Echelon-H> reka, i installed what you told me and I still can't see hebrew
[06:51] <nalioth> synd: gkrellm is the oldest and least intensive proggy for what you are after
[06:51] <teebones> yes, so i read.. that's why i've installed ubuntu.. (just to get the apt feeling)
[06:51] <Rebroad> nalioth: better than ksysguard?
[06:52] <tiglionabbit> teebones: if you want a really easy frontend, try synaptic.  People like aptitude too.  Or just remember the commands `apt-get install thepackaganame`, `apt-cache search forsomething` and apt-get update to refresh it, apt-get upgrade to upgrade /everything
[06:52] <synd> nalioth: thats true.
[06:52] <synd> nalioth: i tried gdesklets as well, and wasnt able to get it working very well
[06:52] <teebones> i prefer the commands above the gui tools
[06:52] <teebones> ;)
[06:52] <tiglionabbit> teebones: but synaptic is fun!
[06:53] <tiglionabbit> and synaptic shows the extended descriptions of packages as you browse it
[06:53] <ompaul> Rebroad, if you think about it you can have two *rom drives and with that setup you can with a third disk being the operating system copy one from another - however if you want to you can grab several sources and put them together in a single file which then gets burnt to disk
[06:53] <Echelon-H> reka, sorry i got disconnected
[06:53] <Echelon-H> reka, can you help me maybe with that?
[06:53] <tiglionabbit> helps you make a better decision
[06:53] <cablefish> hi there. when I run xmms (or the beep-media-player for that sake), it hangs, plus it sends this message to stderr: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. I apt-get'd those.
[06:53] <teebones> i've seen synaptic.. it's nicely done!
[06:53] <synd> you know how in gnome you can detect LAN printers with the printer util?
[06:53] <danko123456> i fixed it...
[06:53] <danko123456> not even sure how.
[06:53] <reka> Echelon-H: sure you got the right guy?  i didn't tell you to install anything. :-)
[06:53] <Echelon-H> reka, oh.. right O_o
[06:53] <reka> lol
[06:53] <Echelon-H> but now I lost the log so I can't know who it is.
[06:54] <teebones> but the thing with synaptic (and other gui's) is that i don't know how to do it from console
[06:54] <reka> hang on, i'll search the buffer
[06:54] <danko123456> I suck at fixing, and braking my computer, I always screw something up, I dont even know what screws it up...
[06:54] <tiglionabbit> teebones: sudo synaptic
[06:54] <Rebroad> ompaul: I have a single 702MB file which I want to burn to CD. assuming I have no free disk space - is this possible?
[06:54] <synd> danko123456: its always good to start from scratch
[06:54] <danko123456> synd: like what?
[06:54] <synd> Rebroad: well i hope you have CDR that can hold over 700mb : )
[06:55] <nalioth> Rebroad: don't know whay ksysgaurd is, and synd wanted to stay away from the bloat that is KDE
[06:55] <Dalkus> he could compress it
[06:55] <Rebroad> synd: well, it's a 700mb CDR, but can't I "overburn" it or something like that?
[06:55] <Dalkus> yeah but it might be risky, depending on the cd-r's you use
[06:55] <ompaul> Rebroad, not that I am aware of as you will have to create an iso image which takes space
[06:55] <tiglionabbit> what, like overclock?  =p lol
[06:55] <reka> Echelon-H: it was hondje
[06:55] <Rebroad> ompaul: i see
[06:55] <Dalkus> ompaul, k3b could burn it straight off
[06:55] <reka> hondje Echelon-H: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-he
[06:56] <hondje> twas I indeed!
[06:56] <teebones> tiglion: thanks for the tip.. but i will try to use the command way as often as my lazyness allows me ;-)
[06:56] <ompaul> Dalkus, kwel then Rebroad use k3b if you have it installed
[06:56] <tiglionabbit> teebones: k.  RTFM then
[06:56] <Rebroad> ompaul: I have k3b installed, but it doesn't seem to want to run
[06:56] <tiglionabbit> `man apt`
[06:56] <Echelon-H> reka, dont that...
[06:56] <Dalkus> what's the error, Rebroad
[06:56] <danko123456> man apt-get
[06:57] <Echelon-H> hondje, hey, got any clue why can't I see the hebrew after I installed it?
[06:57] <nalioth> Rebroad: you can overburn 702mb on a disk
[06:57] <hondje> No, I wouldn't know, sorry
[06:57] <hondje> Unless you were lacking fonts or something
[06:57] <teebones> uhuh..
[06:57] <Dalkus> Rebroad, try doing 'sudo apt-get install cdrecord'
[06:57] <teebones> hey Danko: how's things now?
[06:57] <Rebroad> Dalkus, nalioth: I get the KDE Crash Handler after the k3b splash screen
[06:57] <Dalkus> ^
[06:57] <raDeon> pseudo
[06:57] <nalioth> Rebroad: depending on the media, sometimes you can get 15 or more mb "overburnt"
[06:57] <danko123456> teebones: I posted above taht I fixed it.
[06:58] <Rebroad> Dalkus: already have cdrecord installed
[06:58] <teebones> sorry.. must have missed it
[06:58] <teebones> ;)
[06:58] <danko123456> thanks:)
[06:58] <Dalkus> what error does the crash handler give?
[06:58] <Riddell> Rebroad: what output do you get when runing k3b on the command line?
[06:58] <Echelon-H> baah I need yahalom over here.
[06:58] <tiglionabbit> say, odd thing.  I have a bazillion fonts, but Firefox doesn't seem to use them.  In fact, some fonts come up as invisible.  Most of them are bland even when they are set to font-family:fantasy or cursive
[06:58] <reka> cablefish: try changing the ouput plugin to esd
[06:58] <danko123456> I just tweaked my video player, and did 10 more things, restarted X and it works.
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: have you installed cdrdao ?
[06:58] <reka> *esound
[06:58] <Dalkus> if no error, run k3b from the commandline and see if one is printed after it clsoes
[06:59] <Rebroad> Riddell: lots of output, but the last line says: k3b: (K3bDevice::Device) /dev/hdc:  Number of supported write speeds via 2A: -1
[06:59] <Rebroad> KCrash: Application 'k3b' crashing...
[07:00] <hondje> Are there any official ubuntu cflags I should use when making a package?
[07:00] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: i have cdrdao installed, yes
[07:00] <thoreauputic> OK
[07:00] <danko123456> OK!!!
[07:00] <nalioth> Rebroad: thoreauputic not sure but does gnomebaker or graveman overburn?
[07:00] <Dalkus> the last line dosn't help... is there anything in the error that is suggestive...?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> nalioth: I don't know
[07:00] <teebones> idea.. sudo cdrecord -scanbus
[07:01] <teebones> does your writer shows up?
[07:01] <robert_> how do i run python in script mode?
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> robert_: isn't python a scripting language by default?
[07:02] <Rebroad> teebones: it couldn't open /dev/pg*
[07:02] <thoreauputic> robert_: read the tutorials on http://python.org  << quite good
[07:02] <robert_> how do i program in it though?
[07:02] <daba_sck> hahaha
[07:02] <daba_sck> lol
[07:02] <robert_> i opened terminal and typed python
[07:02] <daba_sck> go take a course
[07:02] <Dalkus> robert_, google for some python tutorials......?
[07:02] <Riddell> Rebroad: can you get a backtrace?
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> robert_: you probably write a text file starting with #! and the location of your python interpreter, followed by lines of code
[07:02] <thoreauputic> robert_: visit the link I posted
[07:03] <Rebroad> Riddell: I think I can, but I'm not sure if it's a full one
[07:03] <Chambers`> how do i install rpm's again?  I'm trying to install the mpio project off of sourceforge
[07:03] <teebones> robert: you need to write the script first..
[07:03] <iceman> anyone know a good place to find screen shots of kde desktops ,,
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> chambers`: you could use alien to convert them to debs
[07:03] <robert_> ok
[07:03] <Dalkus> rpm -ivh file.rpm  Chambers`  - I think
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> iceman: kde-look.org ?
[07:03] <Rebroad> Riddell, my backtrace is only 11 lines long
[07:04] <iceman> tigloinabbit looked there ... looking for other locations
[07:04] <nalioth> iceman: www.deviantart.com
[07:04] <Chambers`> thanks guys
[07:04] <Chambers`> i'm wondering if this will work cause it says it needs to patch the kernel :(
[07:04] <iceman> nalioth these installable ?
[07:05] <Dalkus> Isn't there a .deb file you can use?
[07:05] <kvidell> hey, so this is cool
[07:05] <kvidell> I dropped down to TTY1 and ran aptitude
[07:05] <kvidell> and for whatever reason it decided to be angsty and crash
[07:05] <Rebroad> Riddell, what do I need to do to get a full backtrace of k3b please?
[07:05] <kvidell> so I killed aptitude, but it's still showing up
[07:05] <kvidell> how do I flush a tty?
[07:05] <Chambers`> Dalkus, i don't see one on the page
[07:05] <teebones> rebroad: dit you added "hdd=ide-scsi" to your grub.conf?
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> kvidell: control-L ?
[07:05] <kvidell> it's locked up completely, my only idea is to slay my user but I don't like that option.
[07:06] <Dalkus> Chambers`, try looking on google for the name of the software and '.deb' maybe you'll find one
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> slay user?
[07:06] <Chambers`> oh wait, i found some :)
[07:06] <Chambers`> yay :)
[07:06] <Rebroad> teebones: I don't have a grub.conf file
[07:06] <Dalkus> Chambers`, dpkg -i filename.deb installs
[07:06] <trygvebw> Hi
[07:06] <trygvebw> How can i find a list of the largest (in MB) packages installed?
[07:06] <teebones> rebroad: ok.. lilo.conf then? ;)
[07:06] <Chambers`> and the command to install .deb is dpkg -i <name> correct?
[07:06] <Chambers`> odh..guess so, thanks again :)
[07:06] <Dalkus> yeah
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> yes
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> chambers: there's a manual
[07:07] <Rebroad> teebones: I'm using grub, not lilo. there's no mention of scsi in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:07] <Chambers`> slowly all these command are sinking in my head :)
[07:07] <kvidell> tiglionabbit: That didn't work :-\ And yea, slay my user. Apt-cache show slay
[07:07] <teebones> rebroad: you need to add it manually
[07:07] <thechitowncubs> INDY 500 is underway
[07:07] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: because 2.6.* kernels don't use scsi emulation by default
[07:07] <thoreauputic> teebones: no he doesn't
[07:08] <Rebroad> teebones, thoreauputic: ah, ok.. where in menu.lst do I need to add it? and is it hdd or hdc?
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> kvidell: when you do solve it, tell me what you did
[07:08] <thoreauputic> you don't add it
[07:08] <nalioth> iceman: you didnt request installables, but devianart has both screenshots and desktop wallpaper
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: teebones is coming from a 2.4 kernel perspective, I think
[07:08] <teebones> hehe.. true
[07:08] <teebones> ;)
[07:08] <difficult> hi, how do i convert flac encoded audio files to ogg?
[07:09] <Rebroad> thoreauputic, ah, so I can't fix it doing that then?
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> what's with all the file conversion questions?
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> I've never even heard of flac
[07:09] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: it's unlikely to be the problem anyway
[07:09] <iceman> sorry. hoping to find a good set of themes ...
[07:09] <nalioth> iceman: deviantart
[07:09] <difficult> flac is what sound recorder uses as default
[07:09] <ompaul> usb leads, the terminators on the non pc ends is there a standard?
[07:09] <Rebroad> thoreauputic, would you be able to advise on how I can create a useful backtrace please?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: if you run `strace k3b ` you should get a lot of output
[07:10] <teebones> i can learn from this.. yay
[07:10] <difficult> ok, how about how do you convert from one audio type to another ?
[07:10] <Rebroad> thoreauputic, I certainly got a lot of output
[07:10] <^thehatsrule^> get a program to convert it? :P
[07:11] <teebones> difficult: that's difficult :D
[07:11] <difficult> ^thehatsrule^ : really? Thought I had to change the bit's manually!! I'm wondering what program ;)
[07:11] <^thehatsrule^> LOL! :P
[07:11] <^thehatsrule^> depends on what you want to convert to... etc.
[07:11] <^thehatsrule^> google is your friend!
[07:12] <difficult> come on throw me a (tee)bone here
[07:12] <teebones> if, and only if, you know how to search
[07:12] <teebones> ;)
[07:12] <thoreauputic> difficult: get sox
[07:12] <teebones> difficult: lol
[07:12] <_kevin> can some one tell me how ic an obtain ices2 version 2.0.1 since that version has alsa support
[07:12] <_kevin> i tried apt-get install ices2 but it installs version 2.0.0
[07:12] <thoreauputic> sox converts most sound formats
[07:12] <Rebroad> thoreauputic, I'll add the output of the strace to the bug I've raised (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8887)
[07:13] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: if there's not a new enough version on the repositories you have to compile it yourself or look ices' page for a deb
[07:14] <_kevin> i founda  .deb
[07:14] <_kevin> what do i do with it
[07:14] <Fator_Dee> first uninstall the old version
[07:14] <difficult> thor|away : does't have flac support :/
[07:14] <trygvebw> _kevin, go into a console and type "sudo dpkg -i package.deb"
[07:14] <_kevin> ok
[07:14] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: and I'm not sure if that .deb is compatible with ubuntu
[07:14] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: it might not be
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> aren't all debs?
[07:15] <limer> I installed gnome-pim via synaptic, I don't know where it is to run it.  I did a locate
[07:15] <Fator_Dee> tiglionabbit: nope
[07:16] <teebones> hell no
[07:16] <Rebroad> thor|away, looks like https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8887 is being completely ignored anyway...
[07:16] <teebones> (so i read)
[07:16] <Fator_Dee> tiglionabbit: if they would be, why would they advice not to use debians repositories?
[07:16] <nalioth> l8r
[07:16] <teebones> l8r
[07:17] <Rebroad> teebones: I've raised a bug report for the k3b problem, but the bug isn't getting any attention. Would you have any suggestions for what I could do next please?
[07:17] <teebones> let me think for a moment
[07:17] <thor|away> difficult: apt-cache show abcde
[07:17] <Rebroad> teebones, ok. thanks
[07:18] <cocaine> anybody want to play a game? change your name to raDeon
[07:18] <Fator_Dee> :-\
[07:18] <dabaSlon> exactly
[07:19] <stavrosg> where should I put a coupe of system-wide vars to be set on startup ?
[07:19] <Fator_Dee> try to be funny in #debian
[07:19] <Riddell> Rebroad: length doesn't matter, just what's there should be good
[07:19] <Riddell> Rebroad: add the backtrace and the last few lines of text on command line to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8887
[07:19] <limer> I installed gnome-pim via synaptic, I don't know where it is to run it.  I did a locate
[07:20] <dabaSlon> stavrosg you can put export VAR='value' into your /etc/bash.bashrc I am not sure that is what you want tho...
[07:20] <Rebroad> Riddell: already have done
[07:20] <naapuri> limer, try: sudo updatedb
[07:20] <ogi_> Hmm..Is breezy the next release?
[07:20] <Fator_Dee> ogi_: yes
[07:20] <KaiSVK> what is ubuntu it is Live distribution ?
[07:20] <trygvebw> KaiSVK, no
[07:21] <dabaSlon> limer not only that, try also just runnign the name of the program in a terminal
[07:21] <limer> naapuri: I did.  I can find it via locate.  but it isn't in any "bin" locations
[07:21] <trygvebw> KaiSVK, it's a standard desktop distro :)
[07:21] <Fator_Dee> trygvebw: no, but it has a live-cd
[07:21] <limer> dabaSlon: I did that also
[07:21] <Fator_Dee> gah, KaiSVK I meant
[07:21] <trygvebw> Fator_Dee, yeah
[07:21] <naapuri> limer, also try dpkg -L gnome-pim
[07:21] <teebones> Rebroad: it seems to be related to the kernel version used
[07:21] <iceman> who can help me install the java plgin ..
[07:22] <Rebroad> teebones: how can you tell?
[07:22] <Fator_Dee> iceman: is there a problem?
[07:22] <teebones> on their site: Do not use Kernel 2.6.8
[07:22] <iceman> how to open a bin file ..
[07:22] <Riddell> Rebroad: thanks :)
[07:22] <tiglionabbit> iceman: read the restricted formats faq
[07:23] <Rebroad> teebones, I'm using 2.6.10
[07:23] <teebones> ok..
[07:23] <Chambers`> well i'm screwed, i didn't find a debian package of mpio :(  Just the source :(
[07:23] <teebones> than it should be fine
[07:23] <teebones> ;)
[07:23] <Fator_Dee> iceman: I thought one can install java-plugin from repositories? have you tried that already?
[07:23] <teebones> hmm.....
[07:23] <teebones> thinking
[07:23] <iceman> no .. it just aptitude install java ?
[07:23] <dabaSlon> moeba21<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[07:23] <dabaSlon> ??? xiang<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[07:23] <Fator_Dee> iceman: oh, sorry, I had a brainfart
[07:24] <Fator_Dee> iceman: you can make a .deb from the bin file with java-package
[07:24] <cocaine> change your name to radeon
[07:24] <dabaSlon> no...
[07:25] <limer> naapuri: this is odd.  dpkg -L shows /usr/share/  but I can't see it with ls -la
[07:25] <Fator_Dee> iceman: isntall java-package from the repos and use it to make a .deb from the .bin, then install the .deb with sudo dpkg -i debfile-deb
[07:25] <KaiSVK> Fator_Dee: is there any page ? cause www.ubuntulinux.org did nothing
[07:25] <iceman> fator_dee downloaded both packages from web ... one is a rpm.bin oth a bin ... now how to install
[07:25] <iceman> k
[07:25] <Rebroad> Chambers`, can you alien the rpm version of mpio?
[07:26] <dabaSlon> iceman ubuntuguide.org has a walkthru
[07:26] <Fator_Dee> KaiSVK: page for what?
[07:26] <teebones> Rebroad: clueless atm
[07:26] <teebones> sry
[07:26] <teebones> :S
[07:26] <dabaSlon> iceman also, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java has some too.
[07:26] <Rebroad> teebones, I'll have to write it on MS XP i guess
[07:26] <Echelon-H> when I open the package manager
[07:27] <Echelon-H> I dont have to install everything right?
[07:27] <Rebroad> thank goodness for Microsoft Windows :)
[07:27] <iceman> freezing systems ...
[07:27] <dabaSlon> everything, yeah.
[07:27] <teebones> Rebroad: SHAME ON YOU!
[07:27] <teebones> :)
[07:27] <dabaSlon> synaptic package manager, Echelon-H ?
[07:27] <Echelon-H> dabaSlon, ues
[07:27] <Chambers`> whelp i'm booting back into windows, thanks for all the help guys
[07:28] <dabaSlon> Echelon-H well, yeah, you dont have to install all, just rtight click on the ones you want to isntall
[07:28] <naapuri> limer, try removing and re-installing the package?
[07:28] <dabaSlon> Chambers` see ya
[07:28] <limer> naapuri: think I may have to.  thx
[07:28] <Chambers`> hopefully i can find a .deb of mpio otherwise that's the only thing holding me back :/
[07:28] <dabaSlon> whats mpio?
[07:28] <dabaSlon> I guess Ill never find out( I know already)
[07:29] <Enkidu> does /meda/cdrom0 point to /dev/cdrom0? because i dont see the link
[07:29] <cocaine> Enkidu, ideally.
[07:29] <teebones> Rebroad: never trust an OS you don't have the sources for ;-)
[07:29] <Echelon-H> weird.
[07:29] <Echelon-H> I am doing reload in the ubuntu update manager and I see it's downloading stuff for the list and then it says up to date
[07:30] <Enkidu> cocain, is there some way to view the link? because i can see that /dev/cdrom0 points to hdc, and that /media/cdrom points to /media/cdrom0 and that will access the cd but i cant see the link
[07:30] <teebones> Echelon-H, ehm.. isn't that the purpose of UPDATING? ;-)
[07:30] <no0tic> how can I discover if my sound card has a MIDI synth?
[07:30] <limer> naapuri: I see what happened.  package name is gnome-pim but it's really both gnomecal and gnomecard
[07:30] <Davey|Ubuntu> is it possible to get Evolutions Engage running under Gnome 2.10?
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> enkidu: ls -l
[07:30] <Echelon-H> teebones, the thing is, it seems like there are updates, but then the list is empty
[07:30] <limer> all I want is a good PIM :P
[07:31] <Echelon-H> it's downloading stuff for the list, then shows nothing.
[07:31] <teebones> Echelon-H, ok, that's weird indeed
[07:31] <Echelon-H> teebones, told you
[07:31] <Echelon-H> teebones, reset?
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> why does it seem like there are updates?
[07:31] <teebones> Echelon-H, perhaps
[07:32] <Enkidu> tiglionabbit i tried that; in /media it just shows it as a file, on /meda/cdrom0 it shows the contents of the CD thats in the drive
[07:32] <psycose> hi i've got little trooble i admin an ubuntu remotly and a change a filer permission .. now sudo is locked... (i'can talk to a local user on it) any tips ? thanks
[07:32] <Fator_Dee> psycose: what did you do exactly
[07:32] <teebones> jidijidiyadayada
[07:33] <psycose> i add +w to edit the /etc/sudoers files
[07:33] <iceman> crud ... stupid plugins ..
[07:33] <Fator_Dee> psycose: ?!
[07:33] <delire> toxicfume: if i could see your config files and logs i would be able to help you.
[07:33] <iceman> chmod a+x jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin tried that not working .
[07:33] <daba_sck> psycose: Ive heard you have to safe mode boot, and then add yourself to sudoers again
[07:33] <toxicfume> delire: i realyl don't know how to send them to you :|
[07:33] <Fator_Dee> psycose: you edit the sudoers with visudo
[07:34] <zenrox> iceman,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for java install
[07:34] <tiglionabbit> use restrictedformats
[07:34] <psycose> Fator_Dee: ?, it's a tips or a question ?
[07:34] <daba_sck> iceman: this may be helpful: http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#jre .
[07:34] <Fator_Dee> iceman: did you write the name correctly
[07:34] <teebones> somehow the ubuntuguide has strange recommendations
[07:34] <tiglionabbit> ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats  this one is fine
[07:34] <teebones> (like backports)
[07:35] <Fator_Dee> psycose: I don't know what to do, I just know that you did something that you shouldn't have done :-|
[07:35] <daba_sck> teebones: the java is fine.
[07:35] <teebones> ok
[07:35] <Fator_Dee> psycose: if you can't sudo, there's not much you can do but to boot it from a live-cd to do the necessary changes
[07:36] <teebones-afk> brb
[07:36] <psycose> yes but the people which have local acces is like my grandmother ;-)
[07:36] <Echelon-H> how can I change the default nick in xchat?
[07:36] <daba_sck> psycose, create a script file for them to run.
[07:36] <streuner> troll
[07:36] <daba_sck> send it to them in email.
[07:37] <Fator_Dee> psycose: well, life is tough :-| the best bet would be to wait that someone more knowledgeable would come to help
[07:37] <streuner> bob2: go and fuck yourself :-)
[07:37] <daba_sck> have them login safe mode as root, and run the script.
[07:37] <Echelon-H> k thats f**ing weird, I see the ubuntu update is downloading updates but then it says up to date.
[07:37] <daba_sck> streuner: whats your prob?
[07:37] <Echelon-H> and I mean downloading updates to the list.
[07:37] <teebones-afk> Echelon-H, to change nickname: /nick <newnickname>
[07:37] <daba_sck> :)
[07:37] <psycose> daba_sck ok thanks ...
[07:37] <goldfish> Echelon-H: use irssi !
[07:38] <goldfish> streuner: bye :)
[07:38] <Echelon-H> teebones-afk, and to make it the default oen?
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> echelon: when you hit reload, it downloads the package LISTS.  Not actual packages
[07:38] <Echelon-H> *one
[07:38] <Echelon-H> goldfish, huh?
[07:38] <daba_sck> bob2: how come, you werent even here?
[07:38] <daba_sck> the other sec..
[07:38] <goldfish> Echelon-H: xchat sucks :)
[07:38] <daba_sck> you remotely keep an eye on us?
[07:38] <bob2> daba_sck: he was being abusive in another channel, so I +q'd him there
[07:38] <Daylighthater> anybody who want's to help me furter with my bootsplash instalation, r0d went away and told me I could ask here
[07:38] <bob2> daba_sck: I do try to keep an eye on here...
[07:38] <konkorbol> hey...i want to use external crt monitor with my toshiba laptop...what should i do?
[07:38] <daba_sck> ah, ok, I get it.
[07:38] <daba_sck> :)
[07:38] <Echelon-H> tiglionabbit, but then I dont see the list and it says system is uptodate although I cann see it's download a list of updates.
[07:39] <Echelon-H> goldfish, you're wrong :)
[07:39] <zenrox> xchat rocks
[07:39] <goldfish> hehe
[07:39] <zenrox> if used proplery
[07:39] <goldfish> try irssi and you wont go back !
[07:39] <tiglionabbit> echelon-h: I don't know what you're talking about...
[07:39] <teebones-afk> Echelon-H, what exactly do you mean with (to make it the default oen)
[07:39] <teebones-afk> ?
[07:39] <bob2> konkorbol: find out if it's supported at all, for a start.  www.x.org should have a details.
[07:39] <daba_sck> bob2: but that way, you only ban his nick, right?
[07:40] <konkorbol> ok bob2 thank you
[07:40] <tiglionabbit> he wont like irssi unless he knows how to use it.  http://f0rked.com/core/irssi
[07:40] <Echelon-H> teebones-afk, when i enter xchat my nick is echelon, i always need to change it to echelon-h. how can i make echelon-h the default name?
[07:40] <daba_sck> bob2: or his user on his comp?
[07:40] <skoop> hi everyone
[07:40] <bob2> daba_sck: yes, he can easily get around if he wants to, but I'm hoping he'll just calm down
[07:40] <synd-> hey guys, how sharing my wireless (incoming) connection thru my NIC card (outgoing) ?
[07:40] <synd-> hey guys, how can i share my wireless (incoming) connection thru my NIC card (outgoing) ?
[07:40] <daba_sck> bob2: where do you chill out? #debian?
[07:40] <daba_sck> chill out:)
[07:40] <skoop> I'm having a slight problem with gnome right after upgrading from warty to hoary
[07:40] <bob2> daba_sck: #debian is even more stressful than here
[07:40] <teebones-afk> Echelon-H, go to X-chat-> server-list and change your nick
[07:40] <bob2> I chill out at the pub ;)
[07:41] <synd-> skoop,  most like to do a clean install when going from warty to hoary
[07:41] <daba_sck> sometimes I read the #debian...
[07:41] <Davey|Ubuntu> does anyone know someway to look at iTunes shares my roomies have on the network?
[07:41] <goldfish> tiglionabbit: nice guide. i must give it to my friends to try make them use it :)
[07:41] <synd-> Davey|Ubuntu, yes
[07:41] <Echelon-H> teebones-afk, thanks
[07:41] <synd-> Davey|Ubuntu, but i belive its a bit complicated
[07:41] <skoop> synd-: a clean install? can I do that without losing all my data and installed apps then?
[07:41] <teebones> Echelon-H, no prob
[07:41] <synd-> skoop, i dont believe so.
[07:41] <skoop> and basically, my problem is, or seems, small
[07:41] <Echelon-H> arrg but the problems with updates is very wierd.
[07:42] <skoop> I've got everything working again, but for some reason the menu has completely disappeared
[07:42] <synd-> ah, what is the problem skoop
[07:42] <Fator_Dee> skoop: installed apps will go, data depends on how you have partitioned your hd
[07:42] <skoop> there is a panel at the bottom of the screen which lists open apps, but there's no menu anymore
[07:42] <synd-> hey guys, how can i share my wireless (incoming) connection thru my NIC card (outgoing) ?
[07:42] <skoop> right-clicking on the panel doesn't do anything
[07:42] <daba_sck> skoop: right click the panel, add to panel, add the menu?
[07:42] <daba_sck> ahy
[07:42] <skoop> heh
[07:42] <skoop> thats what I tried already :-D
[07:42] <Fator_Dee> skoop: kill the menu?
[07:42] <bob2> synd-: no need to ask more than once
[07:42] <daba_sck> killall gnome-panel?
[07:43] <skoop> so I wont have a panel at all anymore?
[07:43] <Fator_Dee> it should come back to life automagically after
[07:43] <synd-> bob2, mm
[07:43] <daba_sck> well, you can restart it.
[07:43] <novaflare> hmm hos does one get the gtk xirssi irc client?
[07:43] <bob2> synd-: install the ipmasq package
[07:43] <synd-> skoop, no, it restarts it
[07:43] <synd-> bob2, via apt?
[07:43] <skoop> ok, I restarted it, still no right-click
[07:43] <goldfish> novaflare: irssi-text !
[07:43] <novaflare> not on my comp irc is always gui heh
[07:44] <teebones> :)
[07:44] <skoop> is there a config file I can edit?
[07:44] <bob2> synd-: yes
[07:44] <Echelon-H> what's the command to run the ubuntu update manager from the terminal?
[07:44] <geetergod> anyone know how i can get the sound to work in America's Army?
[07:44] <bob2> Echelon-H: update-manager...
[07:44] <^thehatsrule^> apt-get ?
[07:44] <tiglionabbit> sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:44] <Fator_Dee> novaflare: why do you need a gui to an application that shows nothing else but text ;-)
[07:44] <skoop> apt-get or synaptic?
[07:44] <teebones> geetergod, yes use alsa snd
[07:44] <synd-> bob2, ok, its installed.
[07:44] <novaflare> uh cause im on 3 irc networks on like 12 chans
[07:44] <geetergod> alsa snd?
[07:44] <Fator_Dee> novaflare: um, so?
[07:44] <Echelon-H> Okay that's weird.
[07:45] <tiglionabbit> novaflare: read the guide, you can do that with irssi
[07:45] <Echelon-H> can anyone go into the package manager and tell me if he see's some updates?
[07:45] <bob2> hah, 12 isnt very many
[07:45] <skoop> is there a config file I can edit to load the menu in gnome-panel?
[07:45] <teebones> geetergod, yes.. there are several sound systems on linux.. and ALSA is one of them
[07:45] <daba_sck> Echelon-H: it would be very specific to how your computer is configured.
[07:45] <daba_sck> what are you trying to do?
[07:45] <Echelon-H> I am trying to do reload, then it updates the list, "downloading package information" and then just nothing.
[07:45] <iceman> factor_dee thanks link walk right through ... cut and past and installed and working ... thatnk you ..
[07:45] <daba_sck> skoop: did you try killall gnome-panel?
[07:45] <emanuelez> hello... i'm running gentoo now but i'd like to switch to ubuntu. i'm thinking about  trying to crate a new partition on my HD and my the /home dir over there... would that make the switch easier?
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> echelon-h: that's what it's supposed to do
[07:46] <skoop> daba_sck: yup, tried it ... still no right-click response
[07:46] <synd-> bob2, ?
[07:46] <daba_sck> when you hit reload, that means it just reloads the package list, taht does not install anything.
[07:46] <bob2> synd-: what?
[07:46] <Echelon-H> whatever...
[07:46] <Echelon-H> im off to some other stuff now.. ttyl.
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> it gets the list of packages, okay?
[07:46] <novaflare> hush now or ill do somethign realy vulgar and run mirc .......
[07:46] <psycose> daba_sck could i use init to go to a special run level or should i restart the system ? thanks
[07:46] <novaflare> :)
[07:46] <bob2> emanuelez: depends if you have the same versions of things on gentoo as in ubuntu
[07:46] <synd-> bob2, what shall i do after i install the ipmasq ?
[07:46] <geetergod> i get this error in terminal for armyops
[07:46] <geetergod> geetergod@cpe-66-24-86-121:~$ armyops
[07:46] <geetergod> open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy
[07:46] <daba_sck> psycose: I have no clue, ask bob.
[07:46] <bob2> synd-: did you configure it as it was installed?
[07:47] <InkRose> Sorry to butt in like this, but I'm having trouble installing a current java. and yes, I am a noob.
[07:47] <tiglionabbit> geetergod: you probably need to configure esd like in the restricted formats faq I keep referring people to
[07:47] <skoop> daba_sck: which is why I'm looking for a gnome-panel config file :)
[07:47] <tiglionabbit> geetergod: also, you can't have two 3rd party apps that produce sound open at the same time
[07:47] <InkRose> I have tried the forums and other help sources
[07:47] <synd-> bob2, no, i just installed it. i tried sudo ipmasq, but im not sure what it did.
[07:47] <bob2> best to not use words like "noob"
[07:47] <geetergod> it was working before i restarted the computer
[07:47] <bob2> synd-: it's already running.
[07:47] <InkRose> but I guess I'm too windows-minded still
[07:48] <bob2> synd-: run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq"
[07:48] <psycose> bob; well i've add +w to /etc/sudoers, i did not now about visudo yet ;-(, then sudo command is lock... i'm try to unlock it and set the /etc/sudoers to -w any tips ? thanks
[07:48] <emanuelez> bob2, it's not really about programs... i'm not using fancy preferences... i'm only interested in easy distro switching...
[07:48] <teebones> geetergod, what have you changed then, after it worked
[07:48] <geetergod> nothing
[07:48] <teebones> hmm
[07:48] <geetergod> i just restarted the computer
[07:48] <amonkey> is there a way to make things not appear on the gnome panels? like xmms or wine-systray.
[07:48] <bob2> emanuelez: then make a new /home and mount your old one somewhere else
[07:48] <tiglionabbit> geetergod: you might have it set to spawn esd
[07:48] <bob2> emanuelez: things like gnome get quite upset if you switch versions on it
[07:48] <synd-> bob2, ok. "Should PPP connection recompute the firewall?" yes/no ?
[07:49] <daba_sck> InkRose: I hate to do this, but, please follow http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#jre
[07:49] <tiglionabbit> try sudo killall esd and run the game again
[07:49] <bob2> amonkey: I imagine devilspie can do that
[07:49] <thoreauputic> InkRose: have you read http://ubuntuguide.org ? There's a section that walks you through installing java
[07:49] <amonkey> bob2, package?
[07:49] <geetergod> whats esd?
[07:49] <bob2> amonkey: yes
[07:49] <tiglionabbit> daba_sck: why do people always refer that over the restrictedformats one on ubuntu's wiki?
[07:49] <daba_sck> the enlightened sound demon
[07:49] <daba_sck> tiglionabbit: I dont always...
[07:49] <synd-> daemon, daba_sck
[07:49] <synd-> :p
[07:49] <psycose> bob2,  well i've add +w to /etc/sudoers, i did not now about visudo yet ;-(, then sudo command is locked... i'm try to unlock it and set the /etc/sudoers to -w any tips ? thanks
[07:49] <daba_sck> oh, right:)
[07:49] <bob2> psycose: reboot, keep hitting escape until you get to the grub menu, then choose "recovery" or "restore" or whatever the boot option is, then you'll get a root shell
[07:50] <Daylighthater> anybody who want's to help me furter with my bootsplash instalation, r0d went away and told me I could ask here
[07:50] <bob2> psycose: then -w /etc/sudoers, and don't do it again
[07:50] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: easier to remember URL I guess
[07:50] <emanuelez> bob2: ok... thx... so... what's the best tool to create a new partition on my HD?
[07:50] <InkRose> thoreau, yes, I have... but apparently I've been reading an old version? rev. 3.4 iirc
[07:50] <bob2> emanuelez: the ubuntu installer
[07:50] <amonkey> bob2, thanks
[07:50] <psycose> waou excellent thanks bob2 :-)
[07:50] <bob2> emanuelez: assuming you have free space
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> http://ubuntulinux.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:50] <bob2> synd-: do you want to do NAT or not?
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> it's just ubuntulinux wiki restrictedformats
[07:50] <emanuelez> bob2, i do
[07:50] <daba_sck> tiglionabbit: there is a wiki/java too
[07:51] <thoreauputic> InkRose: look at the link tiglionabbit posted
[07:51] <emanuelez> but i need to create a new home before i install ubuntu...
[07:51] <skoop> nobody know where gnome-panel keeps it's configuration files?
[07:51] <emanuelez> bob2, parted?
[07:51] <synd-> bob2, all i want to do is be able to share my internet with another desktop. i need to route the wireless net from the wireless card to the internal NIC
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> oh whoops
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> maybe that's not where I got the info for java
[07:51] <bob2> emanuelez: no, the ubuntu installer includes a partitioner
[07:51] <bob2> skoop: ~/.gnome2/
[07:52] <daba_sck> http://ubuntulinux.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats has a portion on Java, http://ubuntulinux.com/wiki/Java is what it links to.
[07:52] <bob2> skoop: i really doubt you can usefully edit them without gconf-editor, tho
[07:52] <tiglionabbit> I actually got it through a package on the multiverse somewhere
[07:52] <amonkey> bob2, devilspie won't run, .devilspie.xml does not exist.
[07:52] <InkRose> thoreau, I'm there
[07:52] <skoop> ok, I've just started gconf-editor
[07:52] <bob2> amonkey: ok!
[07:52] <imaek> How do I check if I have "modules" loaded?
[07:52] <tiglionabbit> ah yes, that's the one I got it from, daba
[07:52] <emanuelez> bob2, ok, but i wanna move my files to the new partition first
[07:52] <imaek> Like ieee1394 or ohci1394
[07:53] <InkRose> DLing it now
[07:53] <daba_sck> tiglionabbit: yes:)
[07:53] <bob2> emanuelez: ok
[07:53] <bob2> imaek: lsmod
[07:53] <tiglionabbit> =3
[07:53] <InkRose> I think I'll manage with that instruction set
[07:53] <emanuelez> bob2, not config files... thinkgs like documents, emails and so on
[07:53] <amonkey> bob2, oh i get it, nm.
[07:53] <skoop> ok, gconf-editor does list 'panel' under apps, it doesn't list a 'menu' in 'applets'. there is a 'menu_bar' entry under 'objects' though ...
[07:54] <bob2> synd-: this is not trivial if you don't know about networking
[07:54] <dougsk> emanuelez, you could look into parted command line, it's gotten quite friendly lately or qtparted or gparted even friendlier
[07:54] <imaek> bob2: How can I load the scsi disk module 'sd_mod'?
[07:54] <synd-> bob2, eh? i do know about networking
[07:54] <bob2> synd-: and it's 4am, so I don't have time to walk you through it
[07:54] <tiglionabbit> qtparted is quite nice.  You should grab it and try it out
[07:54] <synd-> bob2, ok.
[07:54] <emanuelez> dougsk, thx... i'll take a look :)
[07:54] <skoop> now is there a way to add that menu object to the panel?
[07:55] <synd-> bob2, but it can be done, correct?
[07:55] <tiglionabbit> skoop: right-click it and select add
[07:55] <bob2> synd-: oh, ok.  install a dhcp server on the desktop, and get it to listen on the wireless nic.  setup ip forwarding (echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward), and then setup trivial NAT on it (www.iptables.org, it's a 3 line shell script)
[07:55] <bob2> synd-: sure
[07:55] <bob2> synd-: dhcprelay might even work
[07:55] <skoop> tiglionabbit: nope, thats the problem. it's not working. I'm trying to use gconf-editor right now to add it to the menu
[07:55] <caine> hmm
[07:55] <bob2> anyway, good luck
[07:55] <skoop> tiglionabbit: I can't directly add it by right-clicking the panel, that gives no response
[07:56] <synd-> jeeze
[07:56] <drspin> Are there any known issues with Hoary and Ram usage climbing while the CPU just sits there??
[07:56] <synd-> osx made internet sharing easy :p
[07:56] <skoop> so did winXP ;)
[07:56] <Davey|Ubuntu> is there any graphical way to map mouse buttons to stuff?
[07:56] <synd-> boo winxp
[07:56] <teebones> ok.. gotta leave now.. speak you ubunty people soon
[07:56] <teebones> ;)
[07:56] <daba_sck> yup
[07:56] <thoreauputic> drspin: more likely to be a particular app
[07:57] <drspin> yeah but WinXP made using the internet difficult and expensive (firewall virusscan spyware)
[07:57] <skoop> re winXP/osx: my point is... not a good reason to start using it if it's only making internet sharing easier ;)
[07:57] <tiglionabbit> skoop - o sorry, didn't notice your first message there
[07:57] <skoop> oh and OSX doesn't make using the Internet expensive? ;)
[07:57] <imaek> How can I load the scsi disk module 'sd_mod'?
[07:57] <drspin> thoreauputic: any idea which app it might be?? or at least give me an idea how to find out?
[07:57] <daba_sck> skoop: screenshot?
[07:57] <Anubis> bzip2: I/O or other error, bailing out.  Possible reason follows.
[07:57] <Anubis> bzip2: Operation not permitted
[07:57] <Anubis>         Input file = lyric.tar.gz, output file = lyric.tar.gz.bz2
[07:57] <Anubis> bzip2: Deleting output file lyric.tar.gz.bz2, if it exists.
[07:57] <skoop> daba_sck: just a min, brb
[07:57] <bob2> imaek: same way you load any module, sudo modprobe blah
[07:57] <Anubis> why is it deleting the finished product?!?
[07:57] <thoreauputic> drspin: vmstat, top, ps aux ...
[07:57] <bob2> Anubis: your disk is broken, start backing up
[07:57] <lonewolff> ima ek: sudo  modprobe sd_mod
[07:58] <bob2> Anubis: the cable is at least loose/damaged
[07:58] <Anubis> bob2, bullshit
[07:58] <synd-> skoop, no.. alone its not a good reason to start using OS X. but along with other things, it may be. (i use OSX anyways)
[07:59] <bob2> Anubis: yes, I'm lying to you, you caught me
[07:59] <Davey|Ubuntu> I find it hard to believe their isn't a GUI for configuring extra mouse buttons
[07:59] <daba_sck> haha
[07:59] <daba_sck> bob2: :)
[07:59] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: very very few people actually care about more than 3
[07:59] <Anubis> when did we get trolls here?
[07:59] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: you could be the person to write it :)
[07:59] <caine> i need help
[07:59] <bob2> Anubis: dude, i/o error = kernel had trouble writing to the disk
[07:59] <bob2> Anubis: read dmesg and see what the problem was
[07:59] <lonewolff> cain: whats up
[08:00] <tiglionabbit> tell us the problem, caine
[08:00] <Shuddertrix> Anubis: You asked a stupid question..
[08:00] <daba_sck> Anubis: bob2 is an op here, and at #debian... maybe that explains it a little
[08:00] <Anubis> Shuddertrix, I did?
[08:00] <thoreauputic> Anubis: bob2 has a clue or two: i suggest you listen
[08:00] <bob2> daba_sck: that seems kinda tangental
[08:00] <Anubis> my disk is broken
[08:00] <skoop> ok, screenshot: http://pix.stefankoopmanschap.com/various/screenshot
[08:00] <Anubis> how vague can that be?
[08:00] <Shuddertrix> < Anubis> why is it deleting the finished product?!?
[08:00] <marjorie-t> Is it possible to start a program as a normall user in a start up script like bootmisc?
[08:00] <daba_sck> bob2: well, I now know why you ahve the attitude:)
[08:00] <bob2> Anubis: you want me to guess what physical problem your disk is having?
[08:00] <daba_sck> cause you hang at #debian all the time:_p
[08:00] <daba_sck> :-p
[08:00] <Anubis> Shuddertrix, show me the "stupidity' in that question?
[08:01] <bob2> Anubis: when I say broken, I mean "physically screwed up".
[08:01] <g14> marjorie-t: Yes, using sudo you can switch to users other than root
[08:01] <Anubis> are'nt all these questions the result of some form of ignorance?
[08:01] <bob2> Anubis: stop talking and read dmesg
[08:01] <delire> skoop: what's happened to your background?
[08:01] <marjorie-t> sweet thx
[08:01] <cocaine> what's good
[08:01] <skoop> delire: good question, the old background hasn't come back after the upgrade to hoary
[08:01] <Shuddertrix> Anubis: A lot like you didn't read the error message. Just go check dmesg now :P
[08:01] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: give him a break, dude - he helps people here all the time
[08:01] <Anubis> if this aint the place for "stupid" questions then when?
[08:01] <tiglionabbit> anubis: after it's printed a series of error messages, do you expect it to give you the 'finished product' after it's clearly said it's "bailing out" ?
[08:01] <delire> skoop: oh well, a minor issue
[08:01] <cocaine> hoary hedgehog
[08:01] <cocaine> haha
[08:01] <bob2> Anubis: this conversation is getting silly, just read dmesg and see what the kernel is saying about the disk
[08:01] <daba_sck> I give him all the breaks he needs:) I just speak, tho, as well.
[08:01] <tiglionabbit> that's like expecting a compiler to compile even with errors in your code
[08:01] <skoop> delire: yeah, setting the background is not the biggest problem right now ;)
[08:01] <bob2> Anubis: presumably you believe it won't lie to you ;-)
[08:02] <synd-> cocaine, ?
[08:02] <skoop> delire: once the menu is back, that is ;)
[08:02] <Anubis> so i get riddles and to assume this is good advice?
[08:02] <delire> cocaine: surely better than "horny hedgehog".
[08:02] <g14> bob2: It's a conspiricy :)
[08:02] <bob2> Anubis: if you don't understand someone's answer, say so
[08:02] <daba_sck> I respect you, and him, :) thoreauputic.
[08:02] <bob2> Anubis: do you know how to read the output of dmesg?
[08:02] <cocaine> what does hoary mean
[08:02] <Shuddertrix> Anubis: Type 'dmseg' in your favorite terminal and read it. Do it already, you're getting real help this time.
[08:02] <daba_sck> dict hoary
[08:02] <trygvebw> cocaine, nothing special :)
[08:02] <skoop> daba_sck: http://pix.stefankoopmanschap.com/various/screenshot ;)
[08:02] <HappyFool> ancient, old, more-or-less
[08:03] <daba_sck> skoop: right clicking on both panels does nothing?
[08:03] <tiglionabbit> http://webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoary&x=0&y=0
[08:03] <cocaine> so old as to aspire veneration haha
[08:03] <HappyFool> also, it's alliterative with hedgehog
[08:03] <bob2> inspire, yeah
[08:03] <skoop> daba_sck: correct, both give no response to a right click. unless I click one of the open windows
[08:03] <drspin> man vmstat ...r The number of process waiting for run-time... what does that mean?
[08:03] <Anubis> Shuddertrix, you going to tell me what I'm looking for?
[08:03] <drspin> "waiting for runtime"?
[08:03] <Anubis> or all of it is a clue?
[08:03] <daba_sck> can you reinstall your panel?
[08:03] <Davey|Ubuntu> how does one say hoary? Whorey? like, a little bit of a whore? :)
[08:03] <bob2> Anubis: please stop with the silly attidue
[08:04] <dbrodie> Anybody know where I can find ubuntu (-compatible) packages for the python bindings for cairo?
[08:04] <skoop> daba_sck: let me try that
[08:04] <bob2> Anubis: look at the bottom.  if you don't understand it, paste sections of it to #flood.
[08:04] <tiglionabbit> davey: yes
[08:04] <tiglionabbit> they make a joke about it in Romeo and Juliet I believe
[08:04] <daba_sck> he chuckled:)
[08:04] <Davey|Ubuntu> I'm surprised there is no GUI to map mouse buttons yet, I wish I had the know-how to write one, I would.
[08:04] <drspin> ... who chuckles??
[08:04] <drspin> :)
[08:04] <limer> I could swear Anubis and kestas are one in the same
[08:04] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: map them to what?
[08:05] <daba_sck> bob2: cant he use Xorg -configure to set up mouse buttons?
[08:06] <kent> When I add the nerim repositories it complains about GPG signatures.  How can i avoid this? It sais something about public key..
[08:06] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: if you mean, just the ordering, that can be done, but if you mean like "map this button to backwards in firefox", it can't really be done
[08:06] <Davey|Ubuntu> bob2: I have almost all my mouse buttons working now (MX700) just the two extra scrolling ones don't, nor the application selector
[08:06] <desrt> kent; there's something about this on the wiki
[08:06] <InkRose> thanks, throeau and tiglio, got it working now. =)
[08:06] <Davey|Ubuntu> I have my thumb buttons doing back/forward in FF :)
[08:06] <desrt> kent; you need to apt-key add the right signatures
[08:06] <daba_sck> kent: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/APTAuthenticationHowTo
[08:06] <daba_sck> I typed that out.
[08:07] <Davey|Ubuntu> and I have left/right/middle click, and scroll wheel working
[08:07] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: scrolling is application-specific, unfortunately
[08:07] <lonewolff> i used to have forward/back working but then an update messed it up :(
[08:07] <bob2> well, toolkit-specific
[08:07] <skoop> daba_sck: ok, reinstalled gnome-panel still the same situation.
[08:07] <Davey|Ubuntu> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/print.php?articleid=46 <--- awesome setup guide, just ignore step 1 in hoary :)
[08:07] <skoop> daba_sck: but I've been looking, and it looks like it is not getting the config data from the right location
[08:07] <drspin> is the backport server offline??
[08:08] <daba_sck> kent, its not easy, yho... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[08:08] <drspin> skoop what is your dilemma?
[08:08] <daba_sck> drspin: use a mirror.
[08:08] <skoop> in ~/.gconf/apps/panel/profiles/default/ there's a lot of configuration info
[08:08] <skoop> drspin: gnome-panel gone awry after upgrade from warty to hoary
[08:08] <daba_sck> drspin: his panel looks like this: http://pix.stefankoopmanschap.com/various/screenshot and he cant right click to add to it.
[08:08] <dougsk> daba_sck, I thought backports were pretty much hosted on ubuntuforums?
[08:08] <skoop> drspin: no response to right click, menu is completely gone
[08:09] <daba_sck> yes, they are, I heard someone managed to access them through some mirror.
[08:09] <daba_sck> :)
[08:09] <dougsk> daba_sck, ntk, thanks
[08:09] <tiglionabbit> for me, my touchpad worked automatically, with all 4 scroll buttons on it, left and right, and even chordmiddle
[08:09] <marjorie-t> yo yo yo
[08:10] <tiglionabbit> and the scrolling side thing
[08:10] <psycose> thanks you guys
[08:10] <drspin> skoop -- probably silly suggestion but have you tried hosing your gconf and .Gnome dirs??
[08:10] <drspin> skoop -- I remember an issue like this where there was some lock file involved...
[08:10] <skoop> drspin: yeah, I've tried that earlier today. I can try it again just now to check if that solves something
[08:11] <daba_sck> GNAM!
[08:12] <cavediver> Hi guys. My VLC got removed all of a sudden and don't want to be installed again. Anyone have this problem? (Breezy)
[08:12] <tiglionabbit> hey, can I set up my playstation controller as a 16 button mouse?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> cavediver: /topic
[08:12] <zenrox> cavediver,  ya breezy is broken
[08:12] <bob2> cavediver: if you're using breezy, you should know how to debug apt stuff, and to check the BTS
[08:13] <daba_sck> bob2: does breezy's gnome look the same as the hoary one so far?
[08:13] <skoop> drspin: right, removed all .gnome and .gconf dirs and restarted gnome-panel ... still no difference
[08:13] <cavediver> Well I know it's broken. haven't seen any vlc issues though, i follow the forum closely
[08:13] <bob2> I don't think the themes have changed
[08:13] <thenuke> daba_sck: seems like so
[08:13] <bob2> cavediver: the lists would be a better source of information...
[08:13] <daba_sck> cause Hoary introduced the new places menu.
[08:14] <cavediver> Well ok.
[08:14] <thenuke> daba_sck: oops, I messed up hoary & warty =)
[08:14] <bob2> cavediver: but if vlc can't be installed, there should be a bug about it somewhere
[08:15] <daba_sck> skoop: on that screenshot, tried unchecking locked?
[08:15] <drspin> skoop -- sudo init 1 | #remove gconf with configuration | reinstall gconf | init 2 |
[08:15] <drspin> skoop -- this takes your system to single user mode then back to multi-user mode
[08:15] <Anubis> bob2, sorry for misunderstanding your help
[08:15] <bob2> woah
[08:15] <marjorie-t> Sorry about that  children temp comandeery kb
[08:15] <bob2> drspin: that's pretty drastic
[08:15] <bob2> Anubis: please don't assume the worst of people trying to help you
[08:15] <drspin> bob2: drastic or not -- it might work --
[08:15] <bob2> drspin: no more than "pkill gconf" would
[08:16] <marjorie-t> Am i being silly, when i sudo "user"  program i just get the syntax help from sudo and program runs as root
[08:16] <loz> if anyone speak french ?
[08:16] <bob2> marjorie-t: I don't know what that character is between "user" and program, but that's not how sudo works
[08:16] <cocaine> oui
[08:16] <bob2> marjorie-t: read the manpage, specificall ythe -u option
[08:16] <daba_sck> man, you suck, drew...
[08:17] <loz> je suis newbie sur irc
[08:17] <daba_sck> #ubuntu-fr
[08:17] <thoreauputic> marjorie-t: usually you just run `sudo <command>
[08:17] <daba_sck>  /join #ubuntu-fr
[08:17] <cocaine> loz, ok
[08:17] <loz> ok je crois comprendre pour joindre un fil frenchie faire /join ...
[08:17] <thoreauputic> loz: Il y a des francais au canal #ubuntu-fr
[08:18] <marjorie-t> bob2: its a pipe....
[08:18] <g14> marjorie-t: sudo -u user command
[08:18] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: you are good at those lines, where do you get them? is there a list for languages somewhere?
[08:18] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: noone alive there, anyhow.
[08:18] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: I grew up in Switzerland :)
[08:18] <cocaine> oui nous ne parlons pas franais
[08:18] <marjorie-t> ahhh ok
[08:18] <loz> comment le joindre ce canal ?
[08:18] <g14> marjorie-t: man sudo
[08:19] <cocaine> /join #ubuntu-fr
[08:19] <loz> ok
[08:19] <daba_sck> noone there, tho.
[08:19] <thenuke> daba_sck: 57 ppl in there
[08:20] <daba_sck> I mean, noone was speaking earlier, it seems there is one guy, now, tho.
[08:20] <thenuke> if they dont speak at the moment, you have to speak english in here
[08:20] <daba_sck> I spoke englsih tehre too, I dont know french:)
[08:21] <shdwdrgn284> how do you disable framebuffer on startup?
[08:21] <daba_sck> (13:20:29) gub: aheum mme ... (13:20:49) cocaine: english please ... (13:20:55) cocaine: anglais ... (13:20:57) daba_sck: ha ... (13:20:58) gub: non franais ... (13:21:06) cocaine: NON, ANGLAIS
[08:21] <delire> toxicfume: if not put it in there. take out ati if you see it in there and try rebooting and starting x
[08:22] <skoop> drspin: did as you asked, which removed a lot of packages, reinstalling gconf didnt really install back all those packages.
[08:22] <skoop> drspin: I had to install gnome-panel back myself
[08:22] <tiglionabbit> where would I put an xinput command I want to always apply (on startup) ?
[08:22] <skoop> drspin: but I'm still missing some stuff it seems. starting x now hangs on 'loading window manager'
[08:23] <shdwdrgn284> do you guys know how to disable framebuffer on startup?
[08:23] <daba_sck> you disable it, while starting up...
[08:23] <daba_sck> :-p
[08:23] <daba_sck> ok, thats it.
[08:23] <dougsk> skoop, maybe try installing ubuntu-desktop?
[08:23] <toxicfume> delire: what do you mean? i don't get it
[08:24] <rickard> is there a nice linux command that can do this: remove all jpg files from a directory, including all its subdirectories?
[08:24] <drspin> skoop -- apt-get ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop
[08:24] <skoop> dougsk: oh that would be too easy :-D
[08:24] <skoop> let me try that ;)
[08:24] <drspin> skoop -- or something like that...
[08:24] <dougsk> skoop, heh heh
[08:24] <shdwdrgn284> how though?
[08:24] <shdwdrgn284> HOW
[08:25] <daba_sck> just do it, as nike would say...or, as my mother would always say...I have no clue how to do it.
[08:25] <dougsk> shdwdrgn284, there should be a line in your /boot/grub/menu.1st about your kernel at the end is a line called vga=791 or some such just remove it
[08:26] <shdwdrgn284> ok thanks
[08:26] <thoreauputic> shdwdrgn284:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure --plow xserver-xorg and say "no" to the framnebuffer question
[08:26] <dougsk> shdwdrgn284, not the whole line just that lit bit vga=###
[08:26] <shdwdrgn284> ok
[08:27] <stimpie> how can I use a splash screen during startup with ubuntu?
[08:27] <shdwdrgn284> thanks a lot
[08:27] <g14> rickard: find /whatever/directory -name *.jpg -exec rm -f {} \;
[08:27] <Amaranth> stimpie: splashy
[08:27] <delire> stimpie: or bootsplash
[08:27] <Amaranth> stimpie: google should bring up something, otherwise searching the forums might
[08:28] <stimpie> ok but is it supported in the standard kernel or do I need to compile my own kernel?
[08:28] <dr_willis> Hmm- whats the bluetooth tools for gnome anyway? trying to get some pics off my cellphone
[08:28] <dr_willis> I rembver seeing them under KDE> but not gnome.
[08:28] <g14> bootsplash is a real pain to set up if the distro's init scripts don't support it (ubuntu doesn't)
[08:29] <stimpie> I used bootsplash with gentoo which wasnt too hard. But I switched to ubuntu because I don't wanna do all that stuff by hand
[08:30] <drspin> I must Say XFCE is lovely :) I much prefer it over metacity --
[08:30] <skoop> oh boy
[08:30] <skoop> you won't believe it
[08:30] <skoop> we're back at the old situation
[08:31] <r0d> stimpie, yea im trying to setup my bootsplash pic right now...
[08:31] <skoop> no menu, no right-click response on the panel
[08:32] <thoreauputic> skoop: does the same thing happen with a new/different user?
[08:32] <skoop> thoreauputic: checking that now
[08:33] <skoop> thoreauputic: yes, same thing also happens with a completely new user
[08:33] <thoreauputic> skoop: :(
[08:34] <drspin> skoop :(
[08:35] <skoop> so it does seem to be a problem with hoary :(
[08:35] <medkit_> hi all again
[08:35] <skoop> or at least with my hoary ;)
[08:36] <skoop> I upgraded from warty to hoary by changing the sources.list and doing apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:36] <skoop> that should work, right?
[08:36] <drspin> thoreauputic: is there a way to remove every package in ubuntu-desktop without doing it individually?
[08:36] <thoreauputic> skoop: normally, yes, assuming you got it right
[08:37] <skoop> thoreauputic: I followed the instructions on ... I believe ubuntuguide.org
[08:37] <thoreauputic> drspin: deborphan/defoster maybe
[08:37] <medkit_> Howto mount IDE Harddisks attached to a PCI IDE Controller? Device is called HPT372A with 4 IDE channels.
[08:37] <thoreauputic> *debfoster
[08:37] <thoreauputic> drspin: why would you want to ?
[08:38] <daba_sck> just remove the panel...
[08:38] <daba_sck> if you are gonna remove...
[08:38] <thoreauputic> skoop: do you/ did you have any 3rd party repos like nerim/marillat?
[08:38] <skoop> backports
[08:38] <skoop> is the only one
[08:38] <thoreauputic> skoop: oh dear - that might be the trouble right there
[08:38] <skoop> oooh...
[08:39] <skoop> really?
[08:39] <skoop> never had trouble with backports when using warty actually ;)
[08:39] <thoreauputic> skoop: I don't trust backports, and they can cause conflicts
[08:39] <HappyFool> medkit_: take a look in /proc/ide (ls /proc/ide) -- it has info on the ide channels etc that have been detected
[08:39] <skoop> outcomment backports and reinstall gconf again?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> skoop: worth a shot
[08:39] <drspin> skoop: killall -HUP gnome-panel
[08:40] <skoop> drspin: to do what? restarting the panel is something we've done before on several occasions now...
[08:40] <skoop> let me try to re-install gconf without backports
[08:41] <drspin> skoop: just googling a bit and thought I'd give it a go...
[08:41] <thoreauputic> skoop: you have ubuntu-desktop instaled, right?
[08:41] <skoop> thoreauputic: yes, I have that one
[08:41] <daba_sck> skoop: um, when upgrading, if you have3 backports, my complete X system got borked...
[08:41] <jeff25> where are my kde menus and gnone menu's installed to?
[08:42] <thoreauputic> skoop: frankly,, I'd steer clear of backports
[08:42] <skoop> backports has already been removed from my sources.list ;)
[08:42] <skoop> with warty, backports was the only way of getting a firefox 1.0 afaik
[08:42] <christos> does beep media player support mp3?
[08:43] <drspin> christos: yes
[08:43] <medkit_> HappyFool, possibly ide0 and ide1?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> skoop: hmm - I installed the moz binary of firefox at the time (in my home dir)
[08:44] <christos> i installed beep media player through synaptic - when i try to play mp3s it freezes
[08:44] <vulcanoo> bonsoir  tous
[08:44] <HappyFool> medkit_: i would guess ide2 and greater, assuming you have two onboard IDE channels
[08:44] <thoreauputic> christos: set the output to esound
[08:45] <christos> thanx it works
[08:45] <thoreauputic> christos: :)
[08:46] <delire> what is the package name given to the kernel-sources in ubuntu? on debian it's kernel-source-$(uname -r). is there an ubuntu specific source package for the 2.6.10 kernels?
[08:46] <medkit_> HappyFool, 2 onboard ide channels, these are ide0 and ide1. So the controller channels are not listed in /proc/ide
[08:46] <christos> i have another problem  - i can't here my speakers
[08:46] <delire> <-- debian
[08:46] <thoreauputic> delire: linux-source
[08:46] <anna> how can i debootstrap breezy from hoary?
[08:46] <delire> ahah. cheers
[08:46] <christos> headphones work but the max volume is low
[08:47] <HappyFool> medkit_: is it possible that they will look like scsi drives ? see e.g., http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2003-Feb/1719.html
[08:47] <pixelmonkey> does anyone here know if you can force QT applications to use your KDE theme in any easy way... I run Gnome normally, but like my KDE apps to use Plastik and would like my only QT, non-KDE app (Skype) to use Plastik too
[08:47] <thoreauputic> christos: run alsamixer in a terminal, check for muted channels
[08:48] <pixelmonkey> I tried qtconfig but it doesn't list my KDE styles there
[08:48] <thoreauputic> christos: mm (m to change)
[08:48] <medkit_> HappyFool, yes, under windows the controller is always treated as scsi controller.
[08:48] <HappyFool> medkit_: try 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' -- does it list anything
[08:48] <anna> how can i debootstrap breezy from hoary?
[08:48] <delire> thoreauputic: do you need a special repository to do aquire the linux kernel sources? helping someone out here..
[08:48] <thoreauputic> anna: don't. See /topic
[08:49] <thoreauputic> delire: should be in main I think
[08:49] <delire> thoreauputic: ok cheers
[08:49] <christos> thanx two out of two
[08:49] <anna> Well, thoreauputic, I may still want to work on Breezy chroot?
[08:50] <thoreauputic> anna: sure, up to you : if you enjoy pain, go ahead ;D
[08:50] <medkit_> HappyFool, yes, an sda harddisk wich is attached to the onboard SATA Controller. This is a Sil3112. Nohing else.
[08:50] <thoreauputic> delire: the src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list must be uncommented of course
[08:51] <thoreauputic> christos: you have speaker sound then?
[08:51] <flodine> a guy my gnome wont come up i need help
[08:51] <nobert_> nothing
[08:51] <nobert_> what?
[08:51] <flodine> help a poor linux guy
[08:52] <amonkey> when is the firefox version issue going to be fixed? or did i miss it...
[08:52] <BoarderTX> hey whats up everyone
[08:52] <thoreauputic> flodine: you need to be more specific about what is happening
[08:52] <flodine> i loaded fluxbox and now my gnome wont come up
[08:52] <skoop> right guys, no backports anymore, but still the same menu problem
[08:52] <delire> thoreauputic: yes, cheers.
[08:52] <flodine> help
[08:52] <BoarderTX> i just came across ubuntu on distrowatch, what a nice distro, at least thus far
[08:52] <BoarderTX> nice changes to gnome, etc.
[08:53] <thoreauputic> flodine: what do you mean "loaded" ?
[08:53] <anna> how can i debootstrap breezy from hoary?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> flodine: you were in fluxbox and now you don't get a login screen ?
[08:53] <flodine> is says my xsession has a error
[08:53] <skoop> is there an easy way to get rid of *all* packages that might've been installed from backports?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> flodine: what says that?
[08:53] <flodine> when i log in
[08:54] <skoop> something like apt-get reinstall-all or whatever?
[08:54] <medkit_> HappyFool, alright, found it. It is an Highpoint Controller and there are some Linux driver available for it.
[08:54] <thoreauputic> flodine: try running the failsafe gnome session
[08:54] <HappyFool> medkit_: yeah, i was going to post this: http://www.usenetlinux.com/archive/index.php/t-109608.html  -- looks like you might need a custom kernel driver
[08:55] <flodine> that wont open
[08:55] <flodine> failsafe
[08:55] <thoreauputic> flodine: if that doesn't work, run `sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ` in the failsafe terminal
[08:55] <christos> yes i have speaker sound now
[08:55] <Hackmo> hey all, how can I tell if my webcam has been detected?
[08:55] <thoreauputic> flodine: if you can't do that, ctrl-alt-F1 , login and run that command
[08:56] <skoop> any more ideas before I go and re-install a clean hoary?
[08:56] <thoreauputic> christos: great :)
[08:56] <holycow> *sigh*
[08:56] <linuxboyfriend> hi all
[08:56] <holycow> yet another beautiful laptop falls to windows
[08:56] <thoreauputic> skoop: you could try xfce4 :)
[08:56] <holycow> i can't wait to finish our pilot so i can forever stop installing winshit
[08:56] <skoop> thoreauputic: well, this is my wife's PC and she was just getting used to gnome
[08:56] <skoop> so I'd prefer sticking to gnome :-D
[08:56] <LinuxJones> Hackmo, dunno if this helps but have a peek >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[08:56] <linuxboyfriend> i am a dialup user, how can i connect to internet in ubuntu?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> skoop: I see :(
[08:57] <delire> toxicfume: then go get a coffee.. see you back here in five minutes ;)
[08:57] <thoreauputic> linuxamoeba21: do you have an external hardware modem?
[08:57] <skoop> thoreauputic: how easy is xfce? I've always used fluxbox and am now using openbox, so I've no experience with xfce
[08:57] <caine> Shuddertrix: you there man?
[08:57] <skoop> thoreauputic: would a windows-minded person be able to easily use xfce?
[08:57] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: you can use the gnome networking took to setup your dialup
[08:57] <LinuxJones> linuxboyfriend, you can try in network-admin
[08:58] <thoreauputic> skoop: xfce4 is very nice, and more "newb friendly" than fluxbox etc
[08:58] <BoarderTX> i have ndiswrapper saying that my wireless card driver as well as hardware is present...but i can't get on the net, nor does antyhing but l0 show up on ifconfig...THOUGHTs?
[08:58] <medkit_> HappyFool, that sounds difficult.
[08:58] <skoop> well yeah, fluxbox is hard for newbies, that much I know ;)
[08:58] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: however, if you have a winmodem there may be extra work involved
[08:58] <Hackmo> LinuxJones: yeah i've had a look at that link and my webcam is supported(the only phillips one on there) and it  says it should work on boot up, it doesn't though
[08:58] <thoreauputic> skoop: xfce is a bit mac like in some ways
[08:58] <skoop> xfce4 runs well on ubuntu?
[08:58] <^thehatsrule^> yes skoop it does
[08:58] <linuxboyfriend> HappyFool: yeah i have winmodem
[08:58] <thoreauputic> skoop: it's great
[08:58] <drspin> skoop: I use XFCE4 with nautilus (from gnome) my memory footprint is about half :) :)
[08:59] <LinuxJones> Hackmo, it is a usb device ?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> skoop: xfce4 is well worth trying
[08:59] <Hackmo> LinuxJones: yeah
[08:59] <skoop> drspin: interesting
[08:59] <skoop> thoreauputic: interesting as well :)
[08:59] <HappyFool> medkit_: i wouldn't worry about the initrd stuff mentioned on that page, unless you want to put your boot partition on those discs
[08:59] <skoop> how easy is it in xfce to manage menu entries?
[08:59] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: do you know what make?
[08:59] <skoop> does ubuntu create menu entries in xfce automatically?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> skoop: make sure you install the xfce4 package and not just "xfce"
[08:59] <Kejk_PL> hi, I have a problem with making modprobe (hotpllug) using permanently card=70 option for bttv module
[08:59] <thoreauputic> skoop: yup
[08:59] <goldfish> skoop: i found it did for most things.
[08:59] <drspin> skoop: yup
[09:00] <LinuxJones> Hackmo, ok unplug it then plug it back in again then type sudo dmesg it should give you some messages at the end of that output.
[09:00] <skoop> hmmm
[09:00] <Kejk_PL> like here, but this don't resoleve problem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimedia
[09:00] <Shuddertrix> and firefox. no memory problems here.
[09:00] <thoreauputic> skoop: try it - not a big download
[09:00] <linuxboyfriend> HappyFool: i have driver of my modem but it is in .tgz form and i dont know how to install it?
[09:00] <skoop> already given the apt-get install xfce command ;)
[09:00] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: what's the tgz's full name ? What sort of modem do you have?
[09:00] <skoop> can I select xfce on the gpm login screen?
[09:01] <tiglionabbit> skoop: I believe you have to write a .desktop entry for it
[09:01] <christos> i m using apt-get and i can't find mplayer package - i have uncommented the various lines from sources.list
[09:01] <r0d> how are you able to use splashimages on here???
[09:01] <Kejk_PL> if I write modprobe bttv card=70 everything is all right
[09:01] <linuxboyfriend> my modem is Intel 536EP and the file name is intel536ep.tgz
[09:01] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: ah
[09:01] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: i have one of those too
[09:01] <skoop> tiglionabbit: a .desktop entry? hm... *goes off to check how to do that*
[09:01] <Hackmo> LinuxJones: yeah I get a lot of error messagse and the last one says "pwc Disconnected while webcam is in use!"
[09:02] <tiglionabbit> skoop: You can have mine
[09:02] <Hackmo> LinuxJones: it isn't in use though
[09:02] <yahalom> anyone here use pppoe?
[09:02] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: and unless Intel have recently released a new driver, you'll have to do a little bit of work to get it going
[09:02] <skoop> tiglionabbit: oh, that would be great :)
[09:02] <thoreauputic> skoop: you needed the "apt-get install xfce4" command (note the 4)
[09:02] <skoop> thoreauputic: oops :)
[09:02] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: read this page for more instructions: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntelFiveThreeSixEPModemHowto
[09:02] <christos> i m using apt-get and i can't find mplayer package - i have uncommented the various lines from sources.list. why??
[09:02] <thoreauputic> skoop: try again: you'll be disappointed otherwise
[09:02] <skoop> thoreauputic: doing now :)
[09:03] <tiglionabbit> skoop: but try it first.  Go to system tools -> new login  to run gdm in virtual terminal 8
[09:03] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: please let me know if there's anything you don't understand -- i'll update the page if there is
[09:03] <thoreauputic> christos: it's in multiverse
[09:03] <flodine> ok still need help with gnome
[09:03] <linuxboyfriend> HappyFool: can you guide me that from where i can get the driver and how can I install it
[09:03] <skoop> tiglionabbit: except that I can't go to system tools since I have no menu ;)
[09:03] <medkit_> HappyFool, booting from the HPT372 is not intended. In the post i'm still missing the step on how to make the harddisks on the HPT work.
[09:03] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: please read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntelFiveThreeSixEPModemHowto
[09:03] <flodine> a guys i get a gnome-session: 8119 error
[09:04] <flodine> whats that
[09:04] <anna> how can i debootstrap breezy from hoary?
[09:04] <yahalom> when my adsl disconnect i cannot reconnect by typing in the command. the only way i can do it is by rebooting.
[09:04] <QMario> Can the Totem Movie Player play DVDs?
[09:04] <skoop> tiglionabbit: I'll just try it :)
[09:04] <HappyFool> medkit_: i imagine you'll need to get the highpoint controller, as you mentioned before, possibly compile it (or pieces of it), and load the final module
[09:04] <linuxboyfriend> HappyFool: ok give me some time
[09:04] <skoop> QMario: I personally like xine more for DVD's
[09:04] <goldfish> vlc is cool too
[09:04] <LinuxJones> Hackmo, I guess you will have to do some googling :)
[09:04] <flodine> well no more gnome help
[09:05] <BoarderTX> weird question, how do you get to root in ubuntu terminal?
[09:05] <BoarderTX> its saying my password when i try to su is wrong
[09:05] <flodine> come on ubuntu folks
[09:05] <thoreauputic> skoop: xfce4 should put an entry in your gdm sessions, by the way, so you can select it easily
[09:05] <yahalom> nobody uses adsl for goodness sake?
[09:05] <anna> BoardeTx: sudo bash
[09:05] <HappyFool> medkit_: if you need to compile kernel modules, install packages build-essential and linux-headers-386 (or possibly -686, or whatever kernel image you're running)
[09:05] <anna> BoarderTX: or sudo passwd and set a password
[09:05] <BoarderTX> anna: why is that way? thats not standard is it?
[09:05] <Ryan_> Please!!! someone get this dam torrent tracker up!!
[09:06] <zaphands> Hello everyone! when I "su" the password is correct but when i enter the password in X applications it's wrong. any one konws what to do?
[09:06] <BoarderTX> nice
[09:06] <BoarderTX> thanks
[09:06] <anna> BoarderTX: No it is not.... but it works ok
[09:06] <tiglionabbit> zaphands: use your user password, it runs sudo, not su
[09:06] <Hackmo> LinuxJones: i've been googling for days now, thanks for your help though :)
[09:06] <BoarderTX> i did the sudo passwd
[09:06] <flodine> hello can i get a little help
[09:06] <anna> They disabled root by default
[09:06] <zaphands> ahhh thanks!
[09:06] <zaphands> thanks tiglionabbit
[09:06] <BoarderTX> anna: i'm a solaris guy professionally, how come they use sudo istead of just su?
[09:07] <r0d> how do you use splashimages on here?
[09:07] <anna> BoarderTX: With sudo you get the password memorized for some time
[09:07] <flodine> can someone tell me why im getting gnome-session: 8119 errors
[09:07] <LinuxJones> Hackmo, I don't have a webcam but wish I could be of more help :(
[09:07] <anna> BoarderTX: So series of root commands need no re-enter of it
[09:07] <HappyFool> medkit_: you can do installations using synaptic; both packages ( -386 for headers) are on the install CD
[09:07] <thoreauputic> BoarderTX: see  ubuntulinux.org/wiki/rootsudo
[09:08] <BoarderTX> anna: thanks
[09:08] <thoreauputic> BoarderTX: that url may be wrong, I just typed it from memory
[09:08] <HappyFool> BoarderTX: I think the reason 'why' is that this way you can't actually login as root.
[09:08] <Hackmo> LinuxJones: it's ok thanks for trying, maybe you could help me out with another problem i'm having though, do you know how to turn on surround sound support?
[09:08] <anna> That's on top of it :p
[09:08] <zaphands> tiglionabbit, now it says: Child terminated with 1 status. I tried to load add remove programs.
[09:08] <BoarderTX> i have ndiswrapper in my /etc/modules and /etc/hotplug/blacklist and ndiswrapper is reporting a driver and hardware present
[09:08] <QMario> Where can I download libdvdcss?
[09:08] <BoarderTX> so i know it sees the darn thing, now i just gotta figure out how come its not under iwconfig or ifconfig
[09:08] <medkit_> HappyFool, i have the modules and Kernel 2.6.10-5-k7 and gcc but this compiling thing is one step beyond my capabilities. But i thank you for now. I will try to learn this.
[09:09] <Raskall> a bit off topic, but is the following possible? Scenario: my home network is down due to power outage or something. When people try to contact my web services I then want them redirected to another out of the house web server with the message "Temporary down. Check back later".
[09:09] <HappyFool> medkit_: hopefully the module comes with a README or INSTALL file. If you have difficulties, please ask here
[09:10] <thoreauputic> Raskall: I think dyndns.org provide a redirection servicee
[09:10] <Shuddertrix> Raskall: I know no-ip has such a service, allowing for a remote url for your no-ip subdomain, but if such a server tool was available, I'd be all over it.
[09:10] <thoreauputic> *service
[09:10] <BoarderTX> why would "modprobe ndiswrapper" cause a reboot? is that  acrash?
[09:11] <Raskall> thoreauputic, Shuddertrix: all my domains and records are static.
[09:11] <Shuddertrix> Raskall: round robin?
[09:11] <Shuddertrix> I suppose that might work, but you'd have to check the details (in other words, i'm taking a guess)
[09:12] <Raskall> Shuddertrix: then I guess I will have to pay extra to my domain pusher. my domain pusher only allows me to create A, CNAME and MX.
[09:12] <BoarderTX> anyone have experience getting there wifi to work with ubuntu?
[09:12] <Raskall> and I don't want to run my own dns server.
[09:12] <Shuddertrix> Raskall: I chose no-ip for handling my home domain..
[09:13] <Shuddertrix> They do that, and why didn't I think of that? Heh.
[09:13] <flodine> dang o help in ubuntu for me wow
[09:13] <HappyFool> QMario: read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats -- to a text search for 'libdvdcss'
[09:13] <Raskall> Shuddertrix: ok. I think that's too much hassle. Having to manually update stuff every 30 days or so. Especially when I have static IP
[09:14] <Shuddertrix> Raskall: I haven't updated my ip for a couple of months now, and my no-ip domain still works (nice little "The web server is still under construction. Click here for the FTP"
[09:15] <skoop> thanks guys. my wife seems to like xfce4
[09:15] <Shuddertrix> I have a static ip also ;)
[09:15] <thoreauputic> skoop: cool :)
[09:15] <Shuddertrix> Well, mainly static. The ip switchs between 2, if the other one doesn't work, I just reboot the cable modem :P
[09:15] <Raskall> Shuddertrix: hmm.. are you running the no-ip update client?
[09:15] <Shuddertrix> Raskall: Nope.
[09:16] <Raskall> Shuddertrix: hmm..
[09:16] <Shuddertrix> anyways, i'm going outside.
[09:16] <Shuddertrix> Maybe somebody nice will throw me a good hot dog, and i'll throw them one of my ubuntu cd's back. :D
[09:16] <cablefish> something is wrong
[09:17] <cablefish> Whatever mp3 player i choose it hangs whenever i start playing an mp3 file
[09:17] <cablefish> all other sound's fine
[09:17] <cablefish> what could be wrong? Do i need a special lib?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> cablefish: have you tried xmms or beep-media-player with esound output plugin set?
[09:18] <skoop> cablefish: what software?
[09:18] <cablefish> thoreauputic, I've tried both beep and xmms, and they have the exact same problem; they hang when I press play.
[09:19] <cablefish> skoop, both xmms and beep so far. I haven't tried any other, but it plays .wav-files fine with some built-in program
[09:19] <thoreauputic> cablefish: with esound set in the preferences?
[09:19] <drspin> cablefish: warty or hoary?
[09:19] <St0n3-C0l> what happened to backports ?
[09:19] <thoreauputic> cablefish: I suggest you  try beep with esound output set
[09:19] <St0n3-C0l> 403 Forbidden
[09:19] <daba_sck> does anyone have a clue(and I really mean just a clue would be greatly appreciated) about how I would go about taking a screenshot of a wm other than gnome, like some of the weirder ones, like blackbox, 9wm, and whatnot.
[09:20] <medkit_> HappyFool, dmesg tells that hpt366 ide_disk and hpt 34x are linked in but not 372A.
[09:20] <cablefish> drspin, hoary. thoreauputic, I'm trying to find the esound setting
[09:20] <cyber23> hello
[09:20] <skoop> daba_sck: the gimp's screenshot option?
[09:20] <cyber23> trying to get my ati x800 pro working
[09:20] <thoreauputic> cablefish: in prefs, beep, output plugin
[09:20] <thoreauputic> under plugins
[09:20] <cyber23> when I do glxinfo I get direct rendering: No
[09:20] <drspin> cablefish: I use the OSS or Alsa output plugins for XMMS -- just seems to work better... don't even think I run ESD
[09:20] <cyber23> how do I change
[09:21] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: install imagemagick, use "import -window root"
[09:21] <daba_sck> skoop: so, open the gimp, and try to take a screenshot through that, hey?
[09:21] <cablefish> thoreauputic, okay. I'll check it out right now
[09:21] <yahalom> what is this: Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release
[09:21] <yahalom> Err http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/restricted Packages
[09:21] <yahalom>   403 Forbidden
[09:21] <skoop> daba_sck: yes, let me see how the option is called
[09:21] <yahalom> why forbiden?
[09:21] <daba_sck> you are not aloowed anymore, they are on to you...
[09:21] <[Spooky] > anyone have a good guide/howto to make a new partition ?
[09:22] <skoop> daba_sck: file -> acquire -> screen shot
[09:22] <drspin> cablefish: I also disabled the XMMS-Gstreamer plugin -- gstreamer isn't ready yet -- I'm using libmpg123 plugin
[09:22] <daba_sck> thanks, yo!
[09:22] <skoop> daba_sck: np
[09:22] <daba_sck> imagemagick is already the newest version.
[09:22] <daba_sck> ok, we shall try this, then.
[09:22] <jp> COOL
[09:22] <jp> WHAT's new?
[09:22] <cyber23> can anyone help me with my video card
[09:22] <skoop> cyber23: what kind of video card?
[09:23] <cablefish> thoreauputic, yes!! eSound did it. :o)
[09:23] <thenuke> cyber23: dont ask to ask, just ask the question
[09:23] <tiglionabbit> spooky: well it's not very hard..
[09:23] <drspin> GEEZ installing M$ takes FOREVER!!!!
[09:23] <yahalom> anyone else get this?
[09:23] <yahalom> thoreauputic, u know what this is?
[09:23] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: where does the image go? there is a magick.miff in the fodler.
[09:23] <cablefish> thoreauputic, drspin, skoop, thanks a bundle!
[09:23] <skoop> drspin: and this is a surprise to you? ;)
[09:23] <cyber23> x800 pro
[09:23] <yahalom> lol
[09:23] <QMario> How do I install libdvdcss?
[09:23] <skoop> QMario: use synaptic?
[09:24] <cyber23> I get a Hall error when trying to play pc game
[09:24] <yahalom> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss
[09:24] <drspin> skoop: no I just had forgotten -- been bout 2.5 years since my last reinstall -- I have to do it again for work VPN rules :)
[09:24] <thenuke> cyber23: you still do not ask anything else than if someone can read your mind
[09:24] <QMario> Neither xine nor totem can play DVDs without libdvdcss.
[09:24] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: I think you can specify a filename : it goes in the working dir you call it from
[09:24] <skoop> drspin: poor you
[09:24] <drspin> skoop: indeed but I can work from home again :)
[09:24] <QMario> Synaptic Package Manager does not have libdvdcss.
[09:24] <daba_sck> yeah, but there is a magick.miff file, is there a program that opens those?
[09:24] <delire> QMario: "<yahalom> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss"
[09:24] <skoop> right, still need to do the dishes :(
[09:24] <tiglionabbit> qmario: you might have to add repositories
[09:24] <cyber23> how do I change direct rendering: No to a YES
[09:24] <yahalom> delire, thanx :)
[09:24] <skoop> see ya guys later on
[09:24] <drspin> skoop: and I'm using a VM for it so I can continue my normal linux activites :) :) :)
[09:24] <daba_sck> yup
[09:24] <skoop> drspin: hehe
[09:25] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: magick.miff ? never heard of it
[09:25] <QMario> Who is <yahalom>?
[09:25] <delire> yahalom: np ;)
[09:25] <cyber23> fgl_glxgears doesn't work I get an error
[09:25] <daba_sck> what does it save as?
[09:25] <delire> jesus
[09:25] <tiglionabbit> qmario: go to settings->Repositories.  Select settings, check "Show disabled repositorios".  Now you may check boxes
[09:25] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: like a png file?
[09:25] <daba_sck> should I man imagemagick?
[09:26] <QMario> Delire, The package is not available.
[09:26] <yahalom> QMario, me. just type what delire quoted
[09:26] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: aha  - do ` display magick.miff `
[09:26] <cyber23> I need a good site on how to setup a x800 pro in ubuntu
[09:26] <daba_sck> hey, nice:) thoreauputic.
[09:27] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: you can specify something sane like *.png though
[09:27] <Daylighthater> has anyone got project looking glass running on his pc??
[09:27] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: which man shoudl I read?
[09:27] <drspin> did everyone see the article on /. about switching from linux to windows the other day -- it shoots down all kinds of negative feedback linux gets :)
[09:27] <drspin> Good read...
[09:27] <drspin> it was yesterday or the day before I believe
[09:27] <BoarderTX> anyone with ndsiwrapper experience, hit me up, thanks
[09:28] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: hmm - man imagemagick
[09:28] <daba_sck> yeah, I thought so, thanks!
[09:28] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: gives you all the many options
[09:28] <medkit_> I need to remove the linked modules "hpt366 ide_disk" and  "hpt34x generic" from my 2.6.10-5-k7 Kernel. I have gcc, Kernel Heades and Sources. Someone to guide me along?
[09:28] <QMario> I still can't find libdvdcss, but I did find mplayer.
[09:29] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: pretty powerfull...
[09:29] <QMario> Thank you anyway. :-D
[09:29] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: it does all kinds of cool conversions etc
[09:30] <cyber23> I need help with setting up my video card.... can someone help me get it working
[09:30] <yahalom> ah ok the repos changed i didnt know
[09:30] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: very useful suite of programs
[09:30] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: yeah, I can see it is very low level and works...
[09:30] <daba_sck> a suite.
[09:31] <terasurfer> cyber23: can you tell us what kind of card it is?
[09:31] <daba_sck> I have issues, tho...I should be in bed...
[09:31] <cyber23> ATI x800 pro
[09:31] <laosiano> how do i configure xscreensaver to allow new logins instead of locking the screen???
[09:31] <terasurfer> cyber23: wish i could help you, i've always used nVidia cards...
[09:32] <daba_sck> who has a good screenshot of a non-gnome wm?
[09:32] <cyber23> k, thanks
[09:32] <cyber23> thats the answer I get ever where I go
[09:32] <cyber23> use 6800 gt or ultra
[09:32] <daba_sck> cyber23: did you read the wiki, and tried to set that up?
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> that's a great article
[09:33] <cyber23> oh yes
[09:33] <cyber23> I can't get direct rendering working
[09:33] <cyber23> I am getting a hall error
[09:34] <QMario> I installed mplayer, but for some reason, I do not hear sound.
[09:34] <daba_sck> do you guys ever notice the commercial microsoft has on its sites, about how "switching to linux from windows can be prohibitively expensive"?
[09:34] <smoky_> qmario: try it with the option: -ao esd
[09:34] <dooglus> good evening all.  I'm wondering...  is there any way of seeing a description of what is the difference between 2 versions of a package?  like the update I am being asked to install for gdb, for example...
[09:34] <delire> daba_sck: of course that add is on it's site.
[09:35] <daba_sck> delire: I love that add, it is so cool:)
[09:35] <dooglus> I have gdb 6.3-5ubuntu1 and now it is offering me gdb 6.3-5ubuntu-1.1.  what changed?
[09:35] <smoky_> if this work, change /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[09:35] <medkit_> I need to remove the linked modules "hpt366 ide_disk" and  "hpt34x generic" from my 2.6.10-5-k7 Kernel in order to compile in "hpt37x2" support. I have gcc, Kernel headers and sources. Someone to point me in the right direction?
[09:35] <thoreauputic> "using windows can be prohibitively insecure"
[09:35] <daba_sck> hehe
[09:35] <delire> daba_sck: _very_ informative. alot of good information in there. microsoft offer a really, shall we say, neutral opinion on the matter.
[09:35] <daba_sck> Im going to another wm, but, yeah, lol...
[09:35] <terasurfer> dooglus: click System>Administration>Ubuntu Update Manager
[09:36] <dooglus> terasurfer: I did, but it doesn't tell me what has changed.
[09:37] <dbernar1> weird all these different wms...
[09:37] <terasurfer> dooglus: If you expand the Details section, it should give you the latest excerpt from the changelog
[09:37] <dbernar1> you guys ever tried out 9wm, that one is teh most fascinating so far to me...
[09:37] <dooglus> terasurfer: I've already applied the updates now, so I don't see anything in the update manager any more.  Can I see the changelog in synaptic somehow instead now?
[09:38] <delire> can't beat wmi.modprobe.de
[09:39] <QMario> I still do not hear any sound.
[09:39] <terasurfer> dooglus: not sure if that's possible once you've already applied the update
[09:40] <thesaltydog> got a problem with Sempron temperature and fan... any help?
[09:40] <terasurfer> dooglus: for a small version diff like that, it was probably very minor changes...doubtfully any features if that's what you're searching for
[09:40] <terasurfer> thesaltydog: What exactly is the problem?
[09:41] <thesaltydog> since a couple of weeks ago, the fan is running almost always at high speed (big noise in the night)
[09:41] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, temperature is cycling between 45 and 50 degrees C.
[09:41] <terasurfer> thesaltydog: Is CPU usage high?
[09:41] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, no. almost idel
[09:41] <thesaltydog> idle
[09:41] <St0n3-C0l> must be
[09:41] <St0n3-C0l> hmnm..
[09:41] <dooglus> terasurfer: I'm guessing it was a security fix, but I'd like to see what exploit was fixed.  for example, I don't know whether the firefox I'm running has the 1.0.4 fixes backported, or just the 1.0.3 fixes.  can't I find out somehow?
[09:41] <St0n3-C0l> strange
[09:42] <St0n3-C0l> hey..anyone using backports here ??
[09:42] <terasurfer> dooglus: probably can, i don't know how though
[09:42] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, I can't get installed powernowd. It says Sempron has no frequency scaling capability
[09:42] <medkit_> dooglus, ubuntu 1.0.2 has 1.0. fixes backported
[09:42] <terasurfer> thesaltydog: I'm guessing this is a laptop?
[09:42] <dooglus> medkit_: you missed a digit there?
[09:42] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, sorry. no, it is a server.
[09:42] <medkit_> dooglus, yes, 1.0.4
[09:43] <dooglus> medkit_: how can you tell?
[09:43] <jp> how is called the gnome applet that changes the resolution?
[09:43] <medkit_> dooglus, somewhere in the bugtracker, with high number, over 10000
[09:43] <terasurfer> thesaltydog: What kernel?
[09:43] <jp> how is called the gnome applet that changes the screen resolution?
[09:43] <thesaltydog> 2.6.10-k7 Hoary
[09:43] <tiggggr> i never understood the idea of backporting security fixes to old version. it would be less confusing to just update to newest version number IMO
[09:44] <mg78> hi! anyone using ubuntu hoary with a graphic card ATI 9700?
[09:44] <novaflare> hmm
[09:44] <novaflare> is this normal
[09:44] <novaflare> nova@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | grep 'AGP aperture'
[09:44] <novaflare> agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xd0000000
[09:44] <novaflare> agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xd0000000
[09:44] <dooglus> medkit_: is it possible to view the 'changelog' for a package?
[09:44] <novaflare> it lists the same out put twice
[09:44] <terasurfer> thesaltydog: I'm sort of confused...do you want the CPU freq to scale? Or are you just expecting lower temps?
[09:44] <novaflare> from one command
[09:44] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, 2.6.10-k7
[09:44] <Shuddertrix> novaflare: that's normal
[09:44] <novaflare> k
[09:45] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, I am expecting fan running lower speed, as it was used to do before last linux-image update... I can't sleep in the night!!
[09:45] <jp> how is called the gnome applet that changes the screen resolution?
[09:45] <Shuddertrix> On some boots it happens twice for me, on some boots it happens once. strange, but it doesn't hurt anything.
[09:45] <Shuddertrix> I get the same output but one time on this kernel
[09:46] <Shuddertrix> (agp aperture is also 128mb)
[09:46] <novaflare> yeh
[09:46] <andax> how to get ftpfs for ubuntu? i tried the source from ftpfs.sf.net but compile fails with some weird error, isn't there a package for it?
[09:46] <novaflare> im trying to get higher performance under cedega
[09:46] <novaflare> so trying to track down any possible inconsitancies
[09:46] <jeff25> novaflare: what vid card you got
[09:46] <novaflare> hopeing to find some error
[09:47] <novaflare> ati 9k pro agp
[09:47] <novaflare> 128 meg
[09:47] <terasurfer> thesaltydog: Ahh so it was after a kernel upgrade...you should file a bug report and use the previous kernel for the time being (assuming none of the new changes are mission critical to you)
[09:47] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, I have checked: fan is starting at 45 degrees and stopping at 50. Always cycling. Sempron has a max temp of 90 degrees..
[09:47] <medkit_> dooglus, usually /usr/share/doc and then there are a lot of changelogs
[09:47] <jeff25> novaflare: have you got get cedega to work ?
[09:47] <novaflare> yeh
[09:47] <novaflare> a cvs build
[09:47] <novaflare> works great
[09:47] <novaflare> heh i can even run mirc lol
[09:48] <jeff25> novaflare: can you run HL2
[09:48] <novaflare> not tried
[09:48] <novaflare> im not in to first person shooters
[09:48] <Shuddertrix> novaflare: cedega is a touch slower with some games and a touch faster with some.
[09:48] <dooglus> medkit_: thanks.  /usr/share/doc/gdb/changelog.Debian.gz is what I was looking for.
[09:48] <novaflare> if you got a download for a demo or somethign i can give it a shot
[09:48] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, ok. thanks.
[09:48] <novaflare> well rubies of eventide is heavy on d3d
[09:48] <novaflare> that explains some
[09:49] <novaflare> but damn i mean its just this side of being slower on ubuntu than on windows
[09:49] <novaflare> im talking maybe 5 fps
[09:49] <novaflare> wich is just under being completly playable
[09:49] <novaflare> i just keep thinking damn theres got to be some way to get another 5 or 6 fps in this heh
[09:50] <novaflare> hmm
[09:50] <andax> overclocking :)
[09:50] <novaflare> i should grab me a d3d bench mark
[09:50] <novaflare> no
[09:50] <novaflare> thats ine thing i never do
[09:50] <novaflare> not on my primary computer
[09:50] <Shuddertrix> novaflare, does that game have a demo or something?
[09:50] <novaflare> secound comp
[09:50] <novaflare> ill risk
[09:50] <novaflare> rubies
[09:50] <novaflare> free dl free to play
[09:50] <andax> novaflare, try without sound :)
[09:50] <novaflare> runs on donations man
[09:50] <Epix> wheres the changelog for breezy?
[09:50] <novaflare> might help accualy
[09:51] <novaflare> and i forgot to try lol
[09:51] <Shuddertrix> ah, i love those kinds of games, link me and i'll try it
[09:51] <novaflare> esp sence im useing onboard sound ...
[09:51] <novaflare> http://www.eventide.net its a mmorpg
[09:51] <novaflare> now one thing do not cuss in game or in irc heh
[09:51] <Shuddertrix> novaflare: I figured it was an mmorpg ;)
[09:51] <novaflare> strong language rules on phoenix peggy and fireopals
[09:52] <novaflare> now on halberd any thing goes as its the pvp server
[09:52] <novaflare> fire opals is role play
[09:52] <novaflare> peggy and phoenix general play
[09:52] <novaflare> brb trying with no sound
[09:55] <novaflare> hmm that helped some
[09:55] <jp> how is called the gnome applet that changes the screen resolution?
[09:55] <novaflare> still not there yet but almost
[09:57] <sbcl3> does anyone know the name of Lynx's rendering engine (if it has a name)?
[09:57] <Cutman> Hi, I am new to Ubuntu and I have a question: Ubuntu can't find my DVD drive, because it's an PATA drive and not an IDE or SCSI drive. What should I do?
[09:57] <[Phaedrus] > sbcl3: google "lynx rendering engine"
[09:58] <jwwwb> cutman: explain "cannot find"
[09:58] <Epix> can you instal unreal tourninment on linux? i saw something about it somewhere...
[09:58] <andrewski> how does one change the default action for filetypes in nautilus 2.10?  the user's guide talked about a "modify" dialog that i can't reproduce.
[09:58] <jwwwb> epix: sure i played UT under linux for years
[09:58] <[Phaedrus] > Epix: if you have the linux version, yes it can be attempted
[09:58] <Epix> jwwwb: can you still buy it?
[09:58] <fresh27> I'm installing Ubuntu for the first time and I ran into the "No installable kernel found" error. I can't find a way to fix this :(
[09:58] <fishie> why is gimp such a pain in the ass?
[09:59] <jwwwb> epix: sure, check bargain bins or amazon.com
[09:59] <[Phaedrus] > fresh27: what processor do you have and what install cd are you using?
[09:59] <Daehlie> since it is a gimp?
[09:59] <[Phaedrus] > fishie: cause, its the way gimp is :)
[09:59] <fresh27> P4, using the x86 CD from ShipIt
[09:59] <Cutman> During the installation process, I get a message that I't cant find my CD Drive, because its not connected to an IDE or an SCSI drive
[09:59] <fishie> i made a text layer. how do i move it?
[09:59] <sbcl3> can i transition to kubuntu without a whole os install all over again?
[09:59] <fishie> i feel like an idiot
[09:59] <[Phaedrus] > fresh27: can you boot using the livecd of the same package?
[09:59] <St0n3-C0l> sbcl3: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:00] <jwwwb> cutman: you may need to load a module.  do you know what kind of controller your cdrom is attached with?
[10:00] <fresh27> the livecd works fine
[10:00] <skoop> it seems a lot of people with nvidia are having segfault problems with a.o. xmms ... solution seems to be to install an earlier version of the nvidia drivers (?) ... anyway, is it possible to do that with apt-get?
[10:00] <Cutman> PATA
[10:00] <[Phaedrus] > sbcl3: install kubuntu-desktop from synaptic
[10:00] <sbcl3> st0n3-C0l: when i restart will KDE come up? if so, how do i go back to GNOME?
[10:00] <jwwwb> cutman: sure, but what kind?  like intel, via, nvidia
[10:00] <Cutman> Intel
[10:00] <[Phaedrus] > fresh27: when are you getting that error?
[10:00] <yaliCapkini> selam aranzda trk var m
[10:01] <St0n3-C0l> sbcl3: Display Manager will let u select
[10:01] <Cutman> Or, its an Dell PC
[10:01] <St0n3-C0l> KDE or GNOME :)
[10:01] <jwwwb> cutman: use alt-f2 to get a console, then "modprobe piix" and "modprobe ide-generic"
[10:01] <jwwwb> see if that works
[10:01] <Cutman> Ok
[10:01] <fresh27> In the "Install the base system" phase, about 68% of the way through.
[10:01] <Cutman> I'll try it out
[10:02] <Cutman> I'll come back tomorrow to tell you if it worked
[10:02] <jwwwb> fishie: you have to click on the actual colored pixels of the text layer to move it, or select it explicitly in the layers dialog
[10:02] <Cutman> Thanks for the help
[10:02] <fresh27> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=191723#post191723 <-- here's a forum post with more detail about my problem
[10:02] <jwwwb> good luck
[10:02] <novaflare> hmm i wonder what default is for fsaa with atis drivers on linux
[10:02] <fishie> yea i figured it out
[10:02] <jwwwb> so has anyone else noticed that linux-source-2.6.12 ftbfs?
[10:02] <fishie> thanks
[10:03] <jwwwb> on i686 even
[10:03] <skoop> talking about nvidia drivers, why is it that glx won't work with hoary?
[10:03] <[Phaedrus] > fresh27: it must be something to do with a hardware problem... i cant think of it being anything else.. did you check the forums?
[10:03] <fresh27> Yeah, other people had the same problem, but nobody ever found a solution.
[10:04] <fishie> i hope someone makes a perfection icon theme for thunderbird :D
[10:05] <QMario> Has anyone successfully watched a DVD, or a movie in Ubuntu? Is so, which program did you use?
[10:05] <jwwwb> vlc
[10:05] <jwwwb> mplayer also works
[10:05] <skoop> xine
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> ogle
[10:06] <jwwwb> all of the above :)
[10:06] <skoop> hehe
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> and others :-D
[10:06] <skoop> anyway, anyone know anything about glx/nvidia issues in hoary?
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> what kind of issues
[10:06] <skoop> glx not working ;)
[10:06] <[Phaedrus] > sorry fresh27... i am clueless
[10:06] <jwwwb> i have some trouble with DVDs because ubuntu ships the kernel with DMA for ATA optical drives disabled
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> jwwwb: well, enable it :-|
[10:07] <[Phaedrus] > QMario: you could use mplayer or Xine
[10:07] <skoop> and it seems xmms is crashing because of nvidia issues as well :)
[10:07] <skoop> I've enabled glx obviously
[10:07] <jwwwb> fator_dee: would love to, but the kernel package doesn't build
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> jwwwb: just edit the /etc/hdparm.conf file
[10:07] <QMario> For some reason I do not hear audio with mplayer. How do I hear some sound?
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> jwwwb: ?
[10:07] <jwwwb> uh no, it's disabled in the kernel
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> oh
[10:07] <[Phaedrus] > QMario: that's probably cause the audio codecs are not installed :)
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> jwwwb: how's that possible? I mean, I've never encountered something like that
[10:08] <jwwwb> CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK=y
[10:08] <[Phaedrus] > QMario: its cause MP3 is technically a protected format... there is a section in the forums about "restricted formats"
[10:08] <jwwwb> # hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[10:08] <jwwwb>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[10:08] <jwwwb>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[10:08] <jwwwb>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[10:08] <QMario> Phaedrus, how do I download the audio codecs?
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> jwwwb: sudo?
[10:08] <jwwwb> that's as root
[10:08] <QMario> Where do I download them?
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> oh
[10:09] <thenuke> QMario: www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:09] <Seveas> jwwwb, load your motherboards drivers instead of ide_generic
[10:09] <jwwwb> seveas: what would that be exactly?  i have nforce3-250 chipset
[10:10] <jwwwb> i already loaded sata_nv, but the DVD isn't SATA, it's PATA
[10:10] <pixelmonkey> having nasty issues getting bootsplash to work again with Ubuntu... does anyone know a site with the proper debs to use to get bootsplash working under ubuntu?
[10:10] <christos> has anyone installed jedit? i add a repository but apat-get wants me to install kaffe-common java-common and others which i don't need cuase i got sun's java
[10:10] <Seveas> jwwwb, no idea, google is your friend :)
[10:10] <jwwwb> alas, google is clueless in this case
[10:11] <jwwwb> if i use ide-scsi i get DMA
[10:11] <biovore> oO
[10:11] <Fator_Dee> jwwwb: why not use that then if it works?
[10:11] <Fator_Dee> or is there a catch
[10:11] <Seveas> ide-scsi is deprecated
[10:11] <Seveas> that's the catch :)
[10:12] <jwwwb> +seveas, and sometimes ide-scsi panics
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> thought of something like that :-p
[10:12] <Seveas> hmm, panics are bad :)
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> depends on who/what is panicing
[10:12] <Kpjas> Hi Where's TFM ? I like to know things and why something works or doesn't work. And I don't want to bother you Ub gurus too much :)
[10:12] <jwwwb> however, on the very positive side, ACPI S3 sleep (suspend-to-ram) is working :)
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> if the kernel freak out, I freak out too
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> *freaks
[10:13] <Seveas> Kpjas, tldp.org / wiki.ubuntu.com contain a lot of TFM
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: but where are here to be bothered? but I don't consider myself as a guru though :-p
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> *we are here
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> damn, serious typos :-\
[10:14] <Seveas> yeah,,,
[10:14] <Fator_Dee> maybe I should think about what I'm writing
[10:14] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: Ok you all have helped me a lot already thnx
[10:14] <jwwwb> brb
[10:14] <fresh27> [Phaedrus] : I think I solved my problem after about 2 hours, in case you care. I decided not to mount my shared drive this time, and it seems things worked.
[10:14] <tarvid> anything special about bringing up a com port on ubuntu?
[10:14] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: I don't want to ask too obvious questions
[10:15] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: it's nice to answer a question that you know about :-)
[10:15] <tarvid> on my T20, the com port doesn't light up anything on my signal monitor
[10:16] <geetergod> can anyone help me install limewire? im having troubles
[10:16] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: OK I need a package that's not available through synaptic and a deb from the net has multiple dependecies. What's the way to go ?
[10:17] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: normally I'd grab a src rpm
[10:17] <tsw> any idea why mplayer-mozilla plugin wont give any sound.. video works just fine?
[10:17] <andrewski> Kpjas: you can make a local repository for debs, if you can find it from debian.
[10:17] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: well, if you can install the dependencies from apt-get it's ok
[10:18] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: and dependencies need more dependecies etvc
[10:18] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: I was going to point that out :-p
[10:18] <Fator_Dee> so it might be nigh impossiple to get it installed :-\
[10:18] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: can I compile from src deb Is there such thing ?
[10:19] <Fator_Dee> what are you trying to install exactly?
[10:19] <Kpjas> a plugin for xmms
[10:19] <Seveas> tsw, let mplayer use esd
[10:20] <tsw> Seveas: cant find any configuration for the plugin.. mplayer itself works just fine
[10:20] <sysrq> maybe that stream has no sound
[10:20] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: and you can make a .deb from sources if that's what you meant
[10:20] <Seveas> tsw, in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf, find a line that starts with ao=, set it to ao=esd. Should work for mplayer and the plugin
[10:20] <tsw> tested with lots of streams
[10:20] <tsw> Seveas: thanks Ill check
[10:20] <Seveas> tsw, you can check /etc/mplayer-plugin/conf too
[10:21] <jrobcet> tsw, have you copied all the windows codecs to /usr/lib/win32?
[10:21] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: with rpms you have src rpm that u can rebuild and bypass dependencies
[10:22] <Kpjas> more or less
[10:22] <tsw> Seveas: thanks that sound option helped, it was alsa by default..
[10:23] <jp> it's cool :)
[10:23] <geetergod> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-ext ras/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_ubp_dists _hoary-extras_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directo ry)
[10:23] <geetergod> thats what it says when i try to install limewire
[10:23] <iceman> humm, anyone know if there are a complete set of cd's available for ubuntu for downlaod ...
[10:23] <geetergod> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[10:23] <geetergod> E: Couldn't find package limewire
[10:23] <Fator_Dee> iceman: there's a dvd, but there's no "complete set"
[10:24] <iceman> Factor_dee darn ... lack a DVD burner ...
[10:25] <geetergod> hey teebones
[10:25] <teebones> hello
[10:25] <teebones> ;)
[10:25] <geetergod> can u help me with something or are u busy?
[10:25] <geetergod> if ur busy its ok
[10:25] <teebones> depends
[10:26] <geetergod> just trying to install limewire
[10:26] <jrobcet> geetergod: there are step by step instructions for installing LimeWire here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[10:26] <geetergod> ok kool
[10:26] <geetergod> thanks
[10:26] <jaysin> is there a command like net send i can use to send messages to a windows machine?
[10:27] <teebones> *giggles* ehm..
[10:27] <tiglionabbit> jaysin: exactly what sort of messages do you want to send?
[10:27] <teebones> i don't know .. never had such situations like you want jaysin
[10:28] <teebones> maybe talk
[10:28] <teebones> will do?
[10:28] <jaysin> i want to send the little pop-up messages to my brother
[10:28] <Seveas> neh, talk and net send do not interoperate :)
[10:28] <teebones> ok.. like i said.. dunno ;-)
[10:29] <[Phaedrus] > jaysin: i did a little search and i found this "Samba: use 'smbclient -M {NetBIOS name}' to send messages."
[10:29] <enkidu> ok so i got sound working, installed some stuff for dvd and now my sound wont work anymore, any thoughts?
[10:30] <teebones> [Phaedrus] , asuming he uses samba
[10:30] <teebones> ;-)
[10:30] <[Phaedrus] > well, it says he can use it to send msgs to winpopup
[10:31] <[Phaedrus] > i have no idea... never been in that situation... there is only one way to find out if it works
[10:31] <teebones> same here
[10:31] <jaysin> thanks guys :) I think it worked
[10:32] <[Phaedrus] > :)
[10:32] <teebones> The network here.. is well. *you guessed right* non-commercial OS based
[10:32] <[Spooky] > i need help guidelines to make a new partition ?
[10:32] <cyber23> I just did a driver install for a ati x800 and when I do a fglrxinfo it says that I have mesa drivers installed.... can someone help please
[10:32] <[Phaedrus] > there you go... its one happy man... enjoy jaysin
[10:32] <teebones> [Spooky] , shoot!
[10:33] <[Phaedrus] > was that message for me teebones?
[10:33] <teebones> [Spooky] , -> man fdisk
[10:33] <Shuddertrix> someone say winpopup? linpopup is the same thing but for linux.
[10:33] <teebones> [Phaedrus] , yes :-)
[10:33] <[Spooky] > teebones: just wanna know the apps name to make a new hdd partition i cant remeber them...
[10:33] <gijosh> Hey.  How should I go about installing Grub without reinstalling Ubuntu?
[10:34] <teebones> [Spooky] , FDISK
[10:34] <teebones> :-)
[10:34] <[Phaedrus] > so, it works right? who would have guessed that samba had such possibilities
[10:34] <[Spooky] > teebones: ok, i remeber some other name ... ext3fs something ?
[10:34] <teebones> i didn't
[10:34] <cyber23> can someone help me out with getting the right drivers installed
[10:35] <cyber23> they are ati and it is saying when I use the fglrxinfo I have mesa
[10:35] <[Phaedrus] > cyber23: does your ubuntu boot into GUI mode?
[10:35] <cyber23> yup
[10:35] <biovore> ati + linux = crap
[10:35] <teebones> sure.. but that's after the creation of the partition
[10:35] <g14> yes, but thats ati's fault
[10:35] <[Phaedrus] > well, probably its the right drivers then... why fiddle with it when it works?
[10:35] <cyber23> I want to play games on it
[10:36] <JohnnyFav> Is anybody here running sympatico with ubuntu?
[10:36] <biovore> game + linux + ati = not happin
[10:36] <teebones> [Spooky] , 1) create partition with fdisk, 2) set the filesystem for the partition (e.g. ext3)
[10:36] <St0n3-C0l> sympatico ?
[10:36] <we2by> cyber23, run glxinfo
[10:36] <JohnnyFav> sympatico dsl internet
[10:36] <cyber23> ok
[10:36] <we2by> biovore, I am playing game with ati radeon
[10:36] <[Phaedrus] > JohnnyFav: you have a better chance asking for DSL...
[10:36] <we2by> :P
[10:36] <robert_> why does my ubuntu have no sounds?
[10:36] <Shuddertrix> biovore: it will work, it's just a little harder to configure and takes longer then the average nvidia install :P
[10:36] <teebones> step 2 can be done with e.g.  mke2fs -j /dev/hd-device
[10:36] <biovore> yeah but it runs slow
[10:37] <JohnnyFav> I read a lot of info and everything and I'm stuck on the dsl setup with ubuntu
[10:37] <gijosh> How do you install Grub by itself?
[10:37] <teebones> (for ext3)
[10:37] <Shuddertrix> yes, speed is an issue also
[10:37] <we2by> biovore, slow?
[10:37] <cyber23> what an I looking for
[10:37] <we2by> not here
[10:37] <biovore> I don't even think UT2k4 will even work on an ATI card
[10:37] <Amaranth> ...
[10:37] <Amaranth> biovore: ever heard of OpenGL?
[10:37] <teebones> ATI sucks
[10:37] <biovore> yes.. but the ATI driver dosn't support all of the extentions
[10:37] <we2by> biovore, I think it works great on mine
[10:38] <Shuddertrix> biovore: it does, perfectlky
[10:38] <teebones> they can't properly write a good working *nix driver
[10:38] <we2by> I haven't test it yet
[10:38] <Amaranth> Actually if you aren't a hardcore gamer the best video card for linux would be the Radeon 9200
[10:38] <we2by> I played et and etf very nicely
[10:38] <we2by> :)
[10:38] <^thehatsrule^> no, ut2k4 will work on ati cards
[10:38] <cyber23> I had games running
[10:38] <biovore> the ATI cards are fine, problems are with the driver support
[10:38] <Shuddertrix> my wife's 8500 is about the same speed as her old geforce 3 with ut2k4.
[10:38] <Amaranth> because the Radeon 9200 is the last Radeon that has an open source driver
[10:38] <cyber23> but now I can't get any 3d
[10:39] <cyber23> we2by can you help
[10:39] <teebones> biovore, that's what i just said
[10:39] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: what does glxinfo say about direct rendering?
[10:39] <cyber23> ni
[10:39] <cyber23> no
[10:39] <we2by> cyber23, did you install the driver?
[10:39] <JohnnyFav> would the fact that my passwords are shadowed affect my username login through chap.secrets?
[10:39] <JohnnyFav> for dsl
[10:39] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: did you edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to point to the fgrlx drivers?
[10:39] <cyber23> the ones from ati
[10:39] <sysrq> JohnnyFav: no
[10:39] <teebones> JohnnyFav, yes
[10:39] <cyber23> how do I do that
[10:39] <[Phaedrus] > no JohnnyFav
[10:40] <JohnnyFav> no
[10:40] <JohnnyFav> ok
[10:40] <teebones> Oh.. ok.. now i follow your question JohnnyFav
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: I'll find you a howto on the net
[10:40] <cyber23> thanks dude
[10:40] <teebones> sry
[10:40] <raDeon> Amaranth, what can i do for you
[10:40] <Amaranth> raDeon: ?
[10:40] <raDeon> you called?
[10:40] <Amaranth> raDeon: Nothing, I was talking about the video card. :)
[10:41] <Nvidia> hehe
[10:41] <[Phaedrus] > well, its been a while since i used a DSL connection... so let me refresh a bit
[10:41] <ogi_> http://www.sithsense.com/flash.htm does this work for anybody with firefox
[10:41] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[10:41] <St0n3-C0l> ATI Radeon :P
[10:41] <novaflare> ack has to be some tweak that will get me just 5 or 6 more fps in rubies damn it
[10:41] <St0n3-C0l> i think
[10:41] <St0n3-C0l> :>
[10:41] <JohnnyFav> my netstat shows that my ethernet is connected to my hub......and when I start my pppoe connection it says Warning eth0 is still in broadcast mode
[10:41] <teebones> ogi_, problems here with the mentioned site
[10:42] <[Phaedrus] > ah, so you have pppoe installed
[10:42] <ogi_> teebones, i big box in front of it all?
[10:42] <JohnnyFav> yes
[10:42] <cyber23> can someone send me the drivers for a ati x800
[10:42] <teebones> ogi_, yeah.. lightgrey