[12:26] <bddebian> Catch you later gang
[12:26] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[12:32] <crimsun> mm I suck, forgot to adjust the e-mail address
[12:38] <LaserJock> crimsun: on an upload?
[12:38] <crimsun> yes, vlc.
[01:04] <LaserJock> wow, I can't believe it's UVF already
[01:05] <LaserJock> seems like just yesterday the edgy repos opened
[01:06] <raphink> yes indeed
[01:06] <raphink> edgy ;)
[01:06] <LaserJock> how's kubuntu doing? does the UVF apply as well to it?
[01:12] <chantra> nity
[01:33] <ajmitch> morning
[01:37] <havoc> morning
[01:38] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch!
[01:57] <sladen> Laser_away: yup, UVF is for the archive
[02:21] <crimsun> for everyone not following in -devel, universe UVF is in late September, so we still have a bit of time.
[02:21] <zul> hi
[02:21] <crimsun> 'lo zul
[02:21] <zul> hey crimsun how goes the battle?
[02:22] <crimsun> definitely battling
[02:22] <crimsun> yourself?
[02:22] <zul> same here
[02:22] <zul> and reading email
[03:18] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:19] <Hawkwind> Hey there bddebian
[03:19] <bddebian> Hello Hawkwind
[03:20] <ajmitch> hi
[03:20] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, what's happening?
[03:20] <ajmitch> stuff
[03:20] <bddebian> Alrighty then :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:41] <Amaranth> what does it mean when dh_install gives cp: cannot stat `./usr/bin/': No such file or directory?
[03:42] <Amaranth> it's supposed to be ./debian/tmp/usr/bin/
[03:42] <Amaranth> which is odd
[03:45] <Amaranth> trying to outrun UVF here :)
[03:46] <crimsun> you have until Sept
[03:46] <bddebian> Amaranth: What's rules look like?
[03:46] <crimsun> main UVF was today; universe/multiverse UVF is in late Sept.
[03:47] <Amaranth> crimsun: it's a package for main, i guess
[03:47] <Amaranth> ogra told me to get it done today
[03:47] <Amaranth> bddebian: it's cdbs :)
[03:47] <crimsun> yeah, you have negative time
[03:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here on the motu-media team?
[03:48] <crimsun> yes.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: yeah, me too.  it's nasty
[03:48] <bddebian> Amaranth: Ah, hmm
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: you know that UVF only applies to main, right?
[03:48] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: yep
[03:48] <Hobbsee> cool
[03:48] <Amaranth> i also know i have an exception
[03:48] <Hobbsee> crimsun: feel like uploading something for me?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: nice :)
[03:48] <Amaranth> but apparently it's harder if i don't have this in before UVF
[03:48] <crimsun> Hobbsee: URL?
[03:48] <Amaranth> which i missed?
[03:48] <crimsun> Amaranth: ask mdz for an exception
[03:48] <Amaranth> crimsun: need a working package first :)
[03:49] <crimsun> bah, details.
[03:49] <bddebian> heh
[03:49] <Hobbsee> crimsun: http://rafb.net/paste/results/vOo8HI63.html needs to be applied to kopete, in edgy main.
[03:49] <crimsun> Hobbsee: build- and install-tested?
[03:49] <Amaranth> bddebian: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SOqlOg42.html
[03:50] <Hobbsee> crimsun: not install tested.  shoulda checked that.  built accidently tested, yes.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> give me a sec.
[03:50] <crimsun> Hobbsee: please install-test, thanks.
[03:50] <Amaranth> it's just getting called with dh_install -pwillowng-config
[03:50] <Hobbsee> crimsun: just doing it now.  i'd forgotten that there'd be a few hours before UVF anyway - so i was expecting to wait
[03:50] <Amaranth> perhaps my cd po is doing it...
[03:51] <Amaranth> nope, that's not it
[03:52] <bddebian> Do you have a dirs or .files file?
[03:52] <Amaranth> i have .install files
[03:53] <bddebian> What's it look like?
[03:54] <Amaranth> http://rafb.net/paste/results/4NqnTS69.html
[03:55] <crimsun> Hobbsee: where's the srcpkg for -0ubuntu2?
[03:55] <crimsun> it hasn't been NEWed yet, so it's not readily available
[03:55] <Hobbsee> crimsun: on my hard drive.  i've got a really slow ftp connection, hence the debdiff.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> 0ubuntu1 is...
[03:55] <Hobbsee> crimsun: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/source/kopete
[03:55] <Hobbsee> 0ubuntu2 is my revision, the patch goes against 0ubuntu1 doesnt it, making it 0ubuntu2?  or have i missed something?
[03:55] <crimsun> ah crap, I was looking in main
[03:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun: oh, i'ts in universe, that's interesting
[03:56] <crimsun> yes, they NEW into universe by default
[03:56] <Hobbsee> guess it makes sense for us to be able to modify it more first though
[03:57] <bddebian> What'd I do now?
[03:57] <crimsun> joking.
[03:57] <bddebian> :-)
[03:57] <Amaranth> this bug makes no sense :)
[03:57] <Amaranth> but i'll remove things until it unfucks itself
[03:57] <crimsun> beware the crazy stray characters
[03:58] <crimsun> I spent an hour over a stray '\'
[03:58] <bddebian> Amaranth: Sorry, I missed your paste
[03:59] <Amaranth> *grumble*
[03:59] <Amaranth> if i remove the .install files it works
[03:59] <Amaranth> but of course i end up with two packages with the same contents
[03:59] <crimsun> Hobbsee: erm
[04:00] <crimsun> Hobbsee: how is this different from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-July/002073.html ?
[04:00] <Amaranth> *facepalm*
[04:01] <Amaranth> .install files are supposed to start with debian/, aren't they?>
[04:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ack, okay, so Riddell must have uploaded it last night, yet p.u.c hasnt updated yet.  it's right, dont worry.
[04:01] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ok. I noticed the rejects upon applying it against extracted -0ubuntu2.
[04:01] <fowlduck> someone update inkscape
[04:02] <bddebian> W00t maxima built
[04:02] <crimsun> bddebian: and crashes on startup!
[04:02] <crimsun> (yay)
[04:02] <bddebian> Yeah?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh, what, trying to reapply patches that are already applied?
[04:02] <crimsun> Hobbsee: yeah
[04:02] <bddebian> fuXX0r
[04:02] <Hobbsee> crimsun: clearly, i shouldnt sleep, so i dont miss things.
[04:03] <crimsun> Hobbsee: nah, you should just paste edgy-changes/2006-July/thread.html to your desktop like I do. :)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hah!
[04:04] <Hobbsee> or just rss feed it.
[04:04] <crimsun> or that
[04:04] <Hobbsee> excellent, wvstreams went thru, and that's defintely in main!
[04:04] <bddebian> Amaranth: You should be able to do it like:  foo usr/bin
[04:05] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[04:05] <Hawkwind> Is it true that there aren't xen kernels for Kubuntu ?  Xen is a huge thing in Debian so I figured surely Kubuntu would have it too
[04:05] <bddebian>  libbar usr/lib
[04:05] <Amaranth> debian/tmp/usr/bin/ works for me
[04:05] <bddebian> That should work too
[04:05] <crimsun> there is work being done for Xen+Ubuntu
[04:05] <Amaranth> of course starting with ogra's install file i left some junk in that i keep forgetting to remove :)
[04:06] <Hawkwind> crimsun: So nothing yet then ?
[04:06] <crimsun> Hawkwind: meaning in-archive or...?
[04:06] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Right.  I don't want to compile it if I don't have to
[04:07] <crimsun> not in-archive yet
[04:07] <Hawkwind> Strange that Kubuntu has xen-tools, but not the kernels
[04:07] <crimsun> offline coffee.
[04:08] <Amaranth> ack my init.d went to the wrong pacakge
[04:08] <Amaranth> do i name it <package>.init.d to choose what package it should be for?
[04:08] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Do you know by chance if we could use the debian deb packages in Kubuntu and it work ?
[04:11] <bddebian> crimsun: Oh, well if you return, how does maxima crash?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: that's a rather silly question, and there are many answers for it.
[04:15] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: I ask because it's a kernel package so I'm not sure how well it would work on Kubuntu, or if even would
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: well, it might.  the answers are either: 1)  it's not recommended 2) no 3) which debian version?  4) what are the changes?
[04:16] <Hawkwind> I don't think I'm going to try it.  I think since it's kernel stuff I'll wait til Kubuntu gets it
[04:17] <Hobbsee> oh, and 5) if it's in debian unstable, why havent they synced it in anyway
[04:17] <Amaranth> ok, i appear to have the contents of the packages right, yay
[04:17] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Yeah I don't know what version of Debian it's available for.  I'll have to look
[04:18] <Amaranth> laggy
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: yay!
[04:32] <bddebian> Yeah Amaranth
[04:36] <Amaranth> now for a quick run through pbuilder before i give it to ogra
[05:08] <Hobbsee> FunnyLookinHat: which bits are you having trouble with?
[05:09] <FunnyLookinHat> Hobbsee, getting started  : )
[05:09] <FunnyLookinHat> Hobbsee, I'm trying to evaluate creating new and updated packages for mythTV for ubuntu repos.
[05:09] <FunnyLookinHat> It's a bit of a difficult one to start with  : )
[05:09] <Hobbsee> FunnyLookinHat: ah, yes.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> please tell me you're doing it for edgy, not dapper
[05:10] <FunnyLookinHat> Hobbsee, that's where I think I'm heading.
[05:10] <bddebian> Have fun with the myth plugins
[05:10] <Hobbsee> good
[05:10] <tritium> 0.19 FunnyLookinHat ?
[05:10] <Hobbsee> heh, yeah, that's what i thought when i looked at it
[05:10] <FunnyLookinHat> tritium, rgr that.
[05:10] <FunnyLookinHat> tritium, I found a guy who actually created them
[05:10] <tritium> cool
[05:10] <FunnyLookinHat> I am trying to see if he is willing to submit them to REPU
[05:10] <FunnyLookinHat> err REVU
[05:10] <FunnyLookinHat> ; )
[05:12] <tritium> I'm building a myth box right now, FunnyLookinHat
[05:12] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[05:12] <FunnyLookinHat> tritium, ooh nice.  would you like the link to where I found the .19 packages for dapper?
[05:12] <tritium> hey there, bddebian
[05:12] <tritium> sure, FunnyLookinHat.  Thanks!
[05:13] <FunnyLookinHat> tritium, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Ubuntu
[05:13] <tritium> thanks, FunnyLookinHat
[05:13] <FunnyLookinHat> I emailed the guy in the changelog, hopefully he gets back to me soon, I need to submit the .19 for edgy by the 13th, right?
[05:13] <tritium> that soon?
[05:13] <FunnyLookinHat> that's when um.. what's it called, some sort of freeze occurs
[05:13] <Hobbsee> FunnyLookinHat: no, it's not in main
[05:14] <Hobbsee> UVF is for main only, universe freeze is much later
[05:14] <FunnyLookinHat> Hobbsee, know when universe freeze is?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> well, i'm assuming it's not in main
[05:14] <FunnyLookinHat> !schedule
[05:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[05:14] <Hobbsee> FunnyLookinHat: no, but !schedule does
[05:14] <bddebian> multiverse I believe
[05:14] <FunnyLookinHat> ; )
[05:15] <FunnyLookinHat> how do I find out which repo (universe or multiverse) the myth packages are in?  I found them with apt-cache
[05:15] <FunnyLookinHat> sorry wow, this is turning into #ubuntu support
[05:15] <bddebian> bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~/edgy/xdrawchem/dapper/xdrawchem-1.9.8/debian$ apt-cache madison mythtv
[05:15] <bddebian>     mythtv | 0.18.1-5ubuntu3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages
[05:15] <bddebian>     mythtv | 0.18.1-5ubuntu3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Sources
[05:15] <FunnyLookinHat> madison eh?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> didnt know madison could be used for that
[05:16] <FunnyLookinHat> afaik there is no "freeze" for multiverse
[05:16] <Hobbsee> guess it can
[05:17] <bddebian> You could also do an apt-cache showsrc and look at the Directory: entry I suppose
[05:17] <bddebian> Or apt-cache policy
[05:18] <FunnyLookinHat> bddebian is uber-|337
[05:18] <bddebian> Not hardly
[05:31] <crimsun> -> google://BdDebianIsAGod
[05:31] <crimsun> FunnyHat_Away: I don't know offhand
[05:31] <FunnyHat_Away> crimsun, that is in reply to...?
[05:31] <FunnyHat_Away> : )
[05:34] <crimsun> FunnyHat_Away: misdirected.
[05:34] <crimsun> Hawkwind: I don't know offhand
[05:34] <fowlduck> someone package Gnome Iconset Builder, thats so nice
[05:34] <crimsun> fowlduck: you can.
[05:34] <fowlduck> crimsun, it's not what we call stable
[05:35] <bddebian> crimsun: How does maxima die?
[05:35] <crimsun> bddebian: no access to the machine currently (down)
[05:35] <bddebian> Ah, OK
[05:35] <crimsun> if/when I can reproduce, I'll file a bug w/ detalis
[05:35] <crimsun> details ^
[05:35] <fowlduck> crimsun, I could, but then I'd have to put it up for revu...and I have a few more that I'd like to do....maybe in a could weeks
[05:36] <fowlduck> s/could/couple
[05:36] <fowlduck> i know you care, heh, i'll be quiet
[05:40] <crimsun> fowlduck: putting on them revu is a start
[05:42] <bddebian> Is dh_iconcache still needed?
[05:43] <crimsun> bddebian: yes
[05:43] <crimsun> if the app is cdbs-based and uses kde.mk (system, not in debian/), then the call to it can be removed
[05:44] <bddebian> thx
[05:44] <crimsun> otherwise it needs to be retained
[05:59] <fowlduck> where would I ask about how to make themes?  Anyone know a link or something?
[06:00] <crimsun> for what DE?
[06:00] <fowlduck> gnome
[06:00] <fowlduck> sorry, icon themes specifically
[06:01] <crimsun> look on art.gnome.org and gnome-look.org for tutorial links
[06:01] <fowlduck> ok, thx
[06:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch, siretart?  ping?
[06:16] <Hobbsee> or any other revu admin?
[06:18] <ajmitch> yes?
[06:19] <chillywilly> yo
[06:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i've uploaded polyxmass-bin to revu, and it's died midupload.  can you delete it please?
[06:20] <ajmitch> removed
[06:21] <bddebian> Hobbsee: What'd you have to change?
[06:21] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[06:21] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: thanks
[06:22] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[06:23] <Hawkwind> Heya imbrandon_
[06:24] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[06:24] <imbrandon_> moins
[06:24] <imbrandon_> heya bddebian
[06:42] <bddebian> OK, well all the syncs I can do are done so I guess it's bed time
[06:42] <crimsun> it's your birthday.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:42] <Hobbsee> go on bddebian :P
[06:45] <bddebian> crimsun: Does it ftbfs?
[06:46] <crimsun> bddebian: yep
[06:46] <crimsun> should be a straightforward dh_install tweak
[06:47] <bddebian> checking
[07:04] <bddebian> crimsun: Yep it blew up.  I'll check on it while I'm on vacation
[07:05] <crimsun> bddebian: no need, take a good vacation
[07:05] <Hobbsee> bddebian: boo.  want to ack the sync?
[07:05] <Hobbsee> bug 52838
[07:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52838 in polyxmass-bin "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync polyxmass-bin 0.9.7-1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52838
[07:05] <crimsun> I'll punch ivtools til it cooperates or my hand hurts.
[07:05] <bddebian> heh
[07:05] <bddebian> Did you see the BTS bug about it?
[07:05] <crimsun> yeah
[07:06] <bddebian> Made no sense :-)
[07:07] <bddebian> Well hell, I had better get to bed.  Catch you all in a day or two
[07:08] <bddebian> Hobbsee: ack'd
[07:08] <Hobbsee> bddebian: thanks
[07:08] <bddebian> No, THANK YOU ;-)
[07:15] <sharms> anyone read my -devel message?
[07:15] <lifeless> no need to spam multiple channels
[07:15] <sharms> didn't know if anyone was awake in -devel, its always much more quiet
[07:28] <crimsun> haha
[07:29] <crimsun> that cloak rules
[07:31] <imbrandon_> crimsun, ?
[07:32] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: ajmitch's, i expect
[07:32] <Hobbsee>  /ubuntu/butnotamember/ajmitch
[07:32] <imbrandon_> ahh ;) yea heheh thanks to rob ;)
[07:33] <imbrandon_> for a half sec i thought he ment mine, and i was like wth is so special aobut mine LOL
[07:48] <imbrandon_> crimsun, ping
[07:49] <crimsun> imbrandon_: pong
[07:50] <imbrandon_> hey got time to re-revu a packe and upload ( new package to ubuntu universe but riddell said uvf dident apply ) and you looked once , i made all the changes you and him proposed and he advocated it
[07:50] <imbrandon_> package*
[07:50] <crimsun> sure, upid?
[07:50] <imbrandon_> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2663
[07:50] <crimsun> (right, UVF for universe is in late Sept.)
[07:50] <imbrandon_> yea
[07:51] <crimsun> give me ~3 mins to catch up on e-mail, please
[07:51] <imbrandon_> np
[07:59] <crimsun> imbrandon_: ok, couple more comments: 1) There are some changes that seem unnecessary, like the addition of a trailing empty line in debian/dirs and the debian/postinst that does nothing; 2) don't strip the original debianisation in debian/copyright; Dmitry is the rightful person, but you certainly should add your work: "...and modified for Ubuntu by ..."
[08:00] <crimsun> imbrandon_: other than that, it looks suitable for uploading
[08:01] <imbrandon_> sure, gimme a few to make the mods
[08:06] <imbrandon_> crimsun, something like .... ( sorry for the paste its only 4 lines )
[08:07] <imbrandon_> This package was debianized by Dmitry N. Hramtsov<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on
[08:07] <imbrandon_> Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:44:33 +0700.
[08:07] <imbrandon_> And modified for Ubuntu by Brandon Holtsclaw<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on
[08:07] <imbrandon_> Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:44:33 -0500.
[08:07] <imbrandon_> is what ya mean ?
[08:07] <crimsun> yep, save without the full stop before "And" (which should be lowercase)
[08:08] <imbrandon_> kk
[08:13] <imbrandon_> ok re-uploaded, i'll ping ya when it shows on revu ( 5 min cycles )
[08:17] <imbrandon_> crimsun, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2695
[08:20] <crimsun> imbrandon_: noted.
[08:20] <Hobbsee> bug 3406
[08:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3406 in ksynaptics "ksynaptics not working in dapper/breezy" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3406
[08:41] <pygi> @osijek
[08:41] <pygi> ergh :P
[08:45] <ivoks> pygi: lol
[08:46] <pygi> ivoks, just you laugh :P
[09:14] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: you mean i cant get an upload in that will break main now?  darn!!!  :-P
[09:15] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: haha.
[09:15] <StevenK> Now that would be cool.
[09:15] <crimsun> oh man, I'd pay-per-view
[09:15] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, guess he does know where i am, hey...
[09:15] <Hobbsee> this of course depends in the definition of jumped on.
[09:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: you'd also have to find a key to let StevenK in...
[09:18] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: or I could just be mean and have your upload rights revoked. :-P
[09:18] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: what, the non-existant ones?  go for it1q
[09:18] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: hmm, I always think you're a motu.  Well, then you can't break main anyway.
[09:19] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: after wednesday, hopefully i will be.  unless they give me core-dev righs that day too :P
[09:19] <Mithrandir> you're clearly not that trustworthy. ;-P
[09:19] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: and i can still get people to sponsor stuff - although probably not stuff that will break
[09:19] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[09:19] <Mithrandir> let's hope so, yes.
[09:19] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: they trust me with excessively large amounts of money at work, yet you dont with repos?
[09:20] <Mithrandir> what's excessively large?  >1M AUD?
[09:20] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: nah, not quite htat much - only an entire supermarket full of money.
[09:20] <Hobbsee> that's out on the floor
[09:20] <Mithrandir> and also, no I wouldn't necessarily trust you just because you handle loads of money.  That's not my money.
[09:21] <crimsun> cool, more motus? /me pushes some work toward Hobbsee ;)
[09:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:21] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: haha
[09:21] <zakame> hi all
[09:22] <Hobbsee> hey zakame
[09:22] <zakame> heya Hobbsee how are your merges?
[09:22] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: no, i dont have upload rights.  i usually end up persuading people to upload my many things for me.
[09:22] <Hobbsee> hey zakame.  not doing many at the moment, i was fighting with kopete last night, and doing bits of bugfixing today, before i saw autoconf breaking.
[09:23] <zakame> awww autotools
[09:23] <imbrandon_> moins zakame
[09:23] <zakame> heya imbrandon_
[09:23] <zakame> how's kubuntu hacking? =)
[09:23] <Hobbsee> zakame: imbrandon_ 's been lazy, and left it all to me :P
[09:24] <imbrandon_> good good ;)
[09:24] <zakame> lol
[09:24] <imbrandon_> hahaha
[09:24] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, not quite but most ;)
[09:24] <zakame> I see we're UVF now
[09:24] <Hobbsee> zakame: for main,yeha.
[09:24] <Hobbsee> zakame: break things anyway.
[09:25] <imbrandon_> hrm Hobbsee i dident get that patch to apply corerect, erm hold on i might not have the latest source *looks*
[09:25] <zakame> ah
[09:25] <imbrandon_> crimsun, so laterish your gonna upload the apt-mirror ? just wondering so we're all on the same page no hurries or anything
[09:28] <crimsun> imbrandon_: I'd like to have another MOTU advocate first
[09:29] <crimsun> just a formality, but it's important as we dive into easier-motuing.
[09:30] <imbrandon_> ahh well Riddell advocated too and i thought you would be #2 ;) but no worries i'll grab second if wanted
[09:30] <imbrandon_> erm 3rd i guess
[09:30] <Riddell> huh?  we need 3 advocates now?
[09:31] <Riddell> that's not easier motuing :)
[09:31] <imbrandon_> i thought it was 2 but ummm
[09:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:31] <crimsun> Riddell: no, per-upload
[09:31] <imbrandon_> heh
[09:31] <imbrandon_> ahh ok so Riddell news to relook again since it was changed a bit
[09:31] <crimsun> imbrandon_: per-paranoia I don't carry over advocates.
[09:31] <crimsun> right.
[09:31] <imbrandon_> ahh ok /me pokes riddell if he has time
[09:31] <imbrandon_> need a url ?
[09:32] <crimsun> (zakame is also a MOTU)
[09:32] <imbrandon_> or zakeme
[09:32] <imbrandon_> ;)
[09:32] <Riddell> imbrandon_: after the meeting
[09:32] <imbrandon_> ok no worries
[09:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what meeting?
[09:32] <imbrandon_> meeting?
[09:32] <crimsun> Ubuntu dev team meeting
[09:32] <Hobbsee> a
[09:32] <imbrandon_> ahh ok
[09:32] <Hobbsee> darn - pity work gets in the way
[10:03] <lucas> copy/paste from #ubuntu-devel:
[10:03] <lucas> [09:37:34]  <lucas> I'm preparing an announcement to ask users to participate in popcon
[10:03] <lucas> [09:37:42]  <lucas> can somebody review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucasNussbaum/PopconDraft ?
[10:03] <lucas> [09:37:46]  <lucas> (feel free to edit it)
[10:07] <ogra> lucas, its in the default install, no need to apt-get it
[10:07] <Toadstool> 'morning
[10:07] <lucas> that's why I say that "(changes are very high that you have it already) :"
[10:07] <lucas> ok, I'll change it to a note saying that it's in the default install
[10:10] <lucas> any other comments ?
[10:11] <ogra> looks good
[10:11] <lucas> ok
[10:12] <lucas> I'll send it to ubuntu-d-a. Do you think it's worth sending to ubuntu-users ?
[10:12] <lucas> or any other mailing list I'm unaware of ? :-)
[10:12] <lucas> (/me not a big fan of ubuntu mailing lists)
[10:12] <ogra> -user sounds good to get a wide audience
[10:12] <ogra> *-users
[10:12] <lucas> I imagine I have to subscribe before posting ?
[10:14] <lucas> (done)
[10:27] <imbrandon_> heh i had to read that twice, i was thinking , man who would name a package "popcorn"
[12:38] <crimsun> ahh, much better. Now it feels like a development branch again.
[12:40] <lifeless> what, you mean 'fucked' ?
[12:40] <crimsun> :)
[12:40] <rob> hehe
[12:40] <Toadstool> now that everything is broken again I can dist-upgrade :)
[01:02] <imbrandon> anyone know whats going on with gluck.debian.org ? and if it affects our servers/repos at all ?
[01:02] <imbrandon> ( not much infor on the mailing list or new articles )
[01:04] <imbrandon>  /msg dpkg guidelines
[01:04] <imbrandon> doh
[01:07] <Toadstool> imbrandon: gluck.d.o has been compromised and it doesn't affect Ubuntu at all
[01:09] <imbrandon> Toadstool, ok , yea i knew it had been just dident know if we needed to check syncs etc ;) np was just curious
[01:10] <Toadstool> imbrandon: gluck "only" hosts the primary webserver and planet.d.o (see http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=gluck)
[01:10] <imbrandon> ahh nice , ok good ;)
[01:10] <imbrandon> thanks Toadstool for clearing that up for me ;)
[01:10] <Toadstool> np :)
[01:34] <fabo> a pbuilder create gives me dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format ... Cannot understand package version/source
[01:35] <fabo> any idea ?
[01:37] <imbrandon> !info kdissert edgy
[01:37] <ubotu> kdissert: mindmapping tool. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6-waf-b-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 855 kB, installed size 2584 kB
[01:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ping
[01:39] <imbrandon> crimsun, ping also
[01:40] <dholbach> I start MOTU/FAQ now (in order to answer the latest mail on ubuntu-devel@)
[01:41] <imbrandon> dholbach, nice
[01:41] <dholbach> would be nice, if you could add stuff there as well
[01:41] <imbrandon> wanna sponsor an upload for me real fast ?? hehe i'll trade for some wiki work
[01:41] <dholbach> so we don't have it only in the bot
[01:41] <dholbach> but somewhere else as well
[01:41] <dholbach> imbrandon: ok
[01:41] <imbrandon> dholbach, sure thing
[01:42] <dholbach> what do you want to get sponsored?
[01:42] <imbrandon> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2695  <-- the upload , its a new package i have two advocates ( crimsun and riddell )
[01:42] <imbrandon> for universe
[01:43] <imbrandon> also i need to find out how to mark a package ( kdissert ) as uploaded on revu, the version i posted on revu has been uploaded to edgy already
[01:45] <imbrandon> hrm /MOTU/FAQ and /MOTU/Faq neither are there, have you saved yet ?
[01:45] <imbrandon> ahh nvm
[01:45] <imbrandon> just showed
[01:45] <imbrandon> !packageversions > imbrandon
[01:46] <dholbach> i wondered why they didn't upload it
[01:48] <dholbach> uploaded
[01:49] <imbrandon> thanks, and i just asked riddell to advocate becouse he was busy and told him i would find an uploader
[02:02] <imbrandon> anyone have experince with dpkg-cross or building packages for another arch on an x86 ?
[02:04] <imbrandon> dholbach, think maybe MOTU/School and /Classrom could work togather? or should we keep user and motu/dev seperate ?
[02:05] <dholbach> what was classroom intended to be?
[02:05] <imbrandon> its part of the NUN
[02:05] <imbrandon> new user network
[02:06] <imbrandon> bi-weekly classes or a wide range of things
[02:06] <imbrandon> ( irc style )
[02:06] <dholbach> seems to be a different audience, no?
[02:06] <tolonuga> hi. is anyone here willing to create an updated package of openct for dapper-updates? if so I will create a patch relative to the current package for you fixing two open bugs rendering the package unusable.
[02:06] <dholbach> i dunno - how do others feel about it?
[02:06] <dholbach> hi tolonuga
[02:06] <imbrandon> dholbach, yea , new user & motu/dev
[02:06] <imbrandon> two diff aud
[02:06] <imbrandon> but same idea
[02:06] <dholbach> tolonuga: did you write the mail to ubuntu-devel@?
[02:06] <tolonuga> yes.
[02:06] <dholbach> tolonuga: did you assign the bugs to the 'motu-reviewers' team?
[02:07] <imbrandon> and attach the pacth to the bug ?
[02:07] <dholbach> yeah
[02:07] <tolonuga> assign? need to check.
[02:07] <imbrandon> patch*
[02:08] <dholbach> tolonuga: i answered to your mail (in case you didn't read it) - the answer is on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/FAQ
[02:11] <tolonuga> how do I assign someone? In launchpad I see no such bug. maybe "Subscribe Someone Else"?
[02:16] <tolonuga> how do I open an dapper-updates tasks?
[02:17] <imbrandon> not sure on that one
[02:23] <dholbach> tolonuga: just mention it in the bug report - that should be fine
[02:24] <tolonuga> ah, ok thanks.
[02:25] <dholbach> cool
[02:25] <imbrandon> dholbach, just curious shouldt that apt-mirror have come accross edgy-changes ?
[02:25] <tolonuga> are launchpad bugs usualy closed via the lines in debian/changelog too? what is the proper notion? "(closes 5299)"?
[02:25] <dholbach> imbrandon: it sits in NEW
[02:25] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[02:25] <imbrandon> till ?
[02:25] <dholbach> imbrandon: it will have to be briefly reviewed by the archive admins, then it'll be on edgy changes
[02:26] <imbrandon> ahh ok np, just never had a NEW package yet ;)
[02:26] <dholbach> ah ok
[02:26] <imbrandon> tolonuga, no , most of the time the uploader that uploads ( and changes the changelog , will mark the bug as "fix released" ) etc
[02:27] <imbrandon> IE its not automated
[02:27] <dholbach> tolonuga: there is no automatism yet
[02:27] <dholbach> it's being worked on, afaik
[02:28] <dholbach> bbl
[02:28] <imbrandon> ;) have a good lunch ;)
[02:29] <dholbach> merci
[02:29] <pygi> hey NFS ^_^
[02:31] <tolonuga> thanks a lot, have a good lunch
[02:33] <imbrandon> heya pygi ;)
[02:33] <pygi> imbrandon, yay, you know who you are ^_^
[02:33] <imbrandon> hahah yea i think i'
[02:33] <pygi> imbrandon, :)
[02:34] <imbrandon> i'll have that nickname for a long time from you ;)
[02:34] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:34] <imbrandon> wb Hobbsee_
[02:34] <pygi> not really, I promise this is the last time ^_^
[02:34] <imbrandon> hahah np ;)
[02:34] <pygi> so what's up??
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:34] <Hobbsee> someone want to say what went on?
[02:35] <imbrandon> nadda finding stuff on LP to work on
[02:35] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, went on where ?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: when i just connected - i've got no idea what anyone said
[02:36] <imbrandon> ohh nothing, i just said "hi"
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon :)
[02:36] <imbrandon> you konw my xp clone theme ? i got my iBook to look exactly like osx jaguar
[02:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:37] <pygi> imbrandon, I haven't found any cheaper iBook
[02:37] <imbrandon> pygi, that still a good deal for that one
[02:38] <pygi> imbrandon, yes, probably
[02:42] <tolonuga> Hi again. I have a patch against openct which fixes two bugs in the dapper package. could anyone look at the patch and maybe upload the new openct package with it into dapper-updates? or what would be the best way to proceed?
[02:47] <tolonuga> attached it to bug 50299 and bug 50393 in hope that someone can have a look.
[02:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50299 in openct "openct sometimes fails" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50299
[02:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50393 in openct "openct doesn't work in dapper (after first reboot)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50393
[03:07] <Seveas> !pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment at, you can read more about setting it up on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[03:07] <ubotu> pbuilder is already known...
[03:07] <Seveas> !pbuilder
[03:07] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[03:07] <Seveas> hmm
[03:07] <Seveas> !-pbuilder
[03:07] <ubotu> pbuilder has no aliases - Added by Hobbsee on 2006-06-18 15:48:29
[03:07] <Seveas> ah
[03:08] <Hobbsee> say what?
[03:08] <Seveas> just wanted to know when it was added
[03:10] <StevenK> Seveas: Can't ubotu say "I already know about <>, dummy."
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:20] <Yagisan> hmm
[03:21] <Yagisan> Seveas: that looks like a useful bot. Could I set one up on another channel
[03:21] <Yagisan> ?
[03:31] <Seveas> Yagisan, it's open source
[03:35] <Yagisan> Seveas: as I'm a bit slow today would you kindly point me towards where I could find it.
[03:37] <Seveas> Yagisan, launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots/
[03:37] <Yagisan> Seveas: Thank You
[03:41] <Yagisan> Seveas: I'm getting a 403 on https://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/tarballs/
[03:42] <Seveas> Yagisan, then use bzr
[03:42] <Yagisan> ah
[03:42] <Yagisan> I'll add that to my todo list then.
[03:44] <Seveas> bzr branch http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/
[03:58] <raphink> this Dan is cute ;)
[03:58] <raphink> I mean what he said on the ubuntu-motu list
[03:58] <raphink> I have about four computers and am trying to set up a big
[03:58] <raphink> fat network.
[03:59] <raphink> reminds me of how big a deal it was to me to set 4 machines in network with tcp-ip when I was his age
[03:59] <raphink> that was fun
[04:01] <fowlduck> hi
[04:07] <FunnyLookinHat> raphink, Where can I get my email address on the motu mailing list?  i can't seem to find it on the wiki page
[04:08] <raphink> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
[04:08] <FunnyLookinHat> awesome thanks
[05:17] <kelmo_lap> moin siretart
[05:28] <kelmo_lap> siretart, will be afk for a few days, thought you ought to know
[05:29] <cbx33> is it easy to run install fulxbox and gnome on the same ubuntu machine
[05:29] <cbx33> and switch between them on logon?
[05:31] <gorski> how to create .deb files?
[05:32] <jpatrick> gorski: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[05:34] <FunnyLookinHat> gorski, good luck...  it's a bit confusing  : )
[05:34] <gorski> tnx, i'll give it a try
[05:35] <gorski> it is like a crusader's task, you know.
[05:40] <Yagisan> cbx33: should be. btw #ubuntu or #edubuntu next time
[05:40] <cbx33> sorry Yagisan
[05:40] <Yagisan> cbx33: no worries, just passing on the advice I get for being to off topic
[05:41] <cbx33> heheh
[05:50] <bluefoxicy> wtf boobs?
[05:50] <bluefoxicy> New in repository: liboobs-1-0
[05:51] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: the joke wasnt great the last few days in -devel and it's not funny today either.
[05:52] <bluefoxicy> Hobbsee:  Funny or not, what I want to know is if some dev did it intentionally or if they thought it'd be funny
[05:52] <bluefoxicy> err.  did intentionally/didn't really notice
[05:52] <jpatrick> bluefoxicy: don't forgot your libsexy-doc
[05:54] <bluefoxicy> jpatrick:  I'm sure that one wasn't really intentional :p
[05:58] <bluefoxicy> hmm.  Upgrading ubuntu-desktop removes gnucash
[06:43] <phanatic> hi people
[06:45] <Gloubiboulga> hey phanatic
[06:45] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> http://lwn.net/Articles/190139/ is now open content :D
[06:57] <Spec> the article or prelink?
[07:34] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping?
[07:34] <dholbach> LaserJock: pong
[07:35] <LaserJock> dholbach: did you see my comment on Mentors/Discussion?
[07:36] <dholbach> LaserJock: yes, I did
[07:36] <dholbach> LaserJock: I think we should add a more inviting text above the list
[07:36] <LaserJock> dholbach: also, I think I got my first catch from Mentors
[07:37] <Ramunas> hello
[07:37] <dholbach> LaserJock: the list just reflects reality - we can't maintain something like "office hours" in there or something
[07:37] <dholbach> hey Ramunas
[07:37] <dholbach> LaserJock: WOW!
[07:37] <Ramunas> any ideas when new amarok will be added to repos?
[07:38] <dholbach> Ramunas: we as the MOTUs don't take care of 'main' applications - you might want to ask in #kubuntu-devel about the plans
[07:38] <Ramunas> ah, thanks
[07:38] <LaserJock> dholbach: yeah, but maybe we can put it in a less negative way. Maybe we should give TZ and have text on the top that says something along the lines of "MOTU mentors have many responsibilites besides mentoring so please be patient, they will get back to you"
[07:39] <dholbach> LaserJock: ok - if you find another way, I'm happy with it
[07:39] <dholbach> LaserJock: I understand your concern, I'm quite sure nobody would write somebody who is "very busy" :)
[07:40] <LaserJock> but we do need a way to say that we "are" busy so it might take some time, and some people are less busy than others
[07:41] <dholbach> maybe say something like "I'd like to take one or two motu hopefuls" and somebody else can say "I'm fine with 3-4"
[07:41] <dholbach> and another column with how many you actually have?
[07:41] <dholbach> *shrug*
[07:41] <LaserJock> yeah, maybe a column with how many more you are currently willing to take
[07:42] <LaserJock> I'm guessing we'll need to "feel" our way through this for a while since I have no idea what I'm doing at least :-)
[07:42] <dholbach> yeah :)
[07:43] <LaserJock> I guess with this person I got today I'd be up to 3
[07:43] <LaserJock> not sure how much time this is going to take
[07:44] <dholbach> i think it's going to take until they are comfortable with asking their own questions on the list or the channel
[07:44] <LaserJock> k
[07:44] <LaserJock> I'm going to have to come up with a list of items to take them through, just so I can remember and be consistent
[07:45] <LaserJock> I think the FAQ is going to rock
[07:45] <LaserJock> btw :-)
[07:45] <dholbach> it will be good 'market research' for us to find out which problems we have and what could be made easier
[07:45] <LaserJock> yes
[07:46] <LaserJock> much easier to fix things and create documentation when you know what the issues are ;-)
[07:46] <LaserJock> !
[07:46] <ubotu> I know nothing about ! - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:46] <LaserJock> excelent
[07:47] <dholbach> ;)
[07:47] <ogra> ubotu, are you a bot ?
[07:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about are you a bot ? - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:47] <LaserJock> ogra: not as friendly as our girl :-)
[07:48] <ogra> why the heck does nobody program a sane answer to that in their bots ?
[07:48] <ogra> yeah, she's still the most lovely bot
[07:48] <zul> tradition?
[07:51] <siretart> slomo: concratulation for your finished NM questionaire! :)
[07:51] <LaserJock> \o/
[07:52] <slomo> siretart: thanks :) i didn't notice that he set it to finished already...
[07:52] <slomo> siretart: oh lol, he wrote me in irc at this very moment :)
[07:52] <siretart> slomo: I just read the report on the mailinglist
[07:52] <LaserJock> man, #ubuntu-xgl has a lot of factoids for the bot
[07:53] <siretart> LaserJock: add them! :)
[07:53] <LaserJock> azeem: hi!
[07:53] <azeem> hi Jordan
[07:53] <LaserJock> azeem: seems ghemical is a bit sick :/
[07:54] <azeem> oh :(
[07:54] <LaserJock> !revu
[07:54] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[07:54] <LaserJock> azeem: it's FTBS in edgy
[07:55] <LaserJock> azeem: somebody said it wasn't compiling well in unstable either but I haven't checked
[07:56] <LaserJock> azeem: is it compiling fine for you?
[07:57] <azeem> it FTBFS on ia64
[07:57] <LaserJock> k
[07:57] <LaserJock> I'm on x86
[07:58] <LaserJock> azeem: want the pbuilder output?
[07:58] <azeem> sure
[07:58] <LaserJock> could be something I'm doing wrong
[07:58] <azeem> however, I'm off now, either mail me or highlight an URL
[07:59] <LaserJock> azeem: alright, thanks
[08:26] <imbrandon> !revu
[08:26] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there"
[08:26] <ubotu> for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[08:27] <imbrandon> little more readable LaserJock ^^ ;)
[08:27] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:27] <LaserJock> imbrandon: are you able to add factoids?
[08:28] <imbrandon> yea
[08:28] <imbrandon> %editors
[08:28] <ubotu> Seveas, gnomefreak, apokryphos, ompaul, thoreauputic, Hobbsee, Amaranth, bimberi, nalioth, Madpilot, LjL, Riddell, imbrandon, uniq
[08:28] <imbrandon> LaserJock, need some done ?
[08:28] <Seveas> imbrandon, don't abuse the also thing if you can put it in one line
[08:28] <imbrandon> ok Seveas
[08:29] <Seveas> !forget revu-also
[08:29] <ubotu> I've forgotten it
[08:29] <Seveas> !revu =~ s/$/ for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU/
[08:29] <ubotu> You used the delimiter too often. Maybe try another one?
[08:29] <Seveas> !revu =~ s#$# for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU#
[08:29] <ubotu> I'll remember that
[08:29] <LaserJock> Seveas: so can you make factoids channel specific?
[08:30] <Seveas> yes
[08:30] <imbrandon> yea !ops is chan specific
[08:30] <LaserJock> k
[08:30] <Seveas> all xgl factoids are channel specific
[08:30] <LaserJock> yeah, I saw that
[08:30] <LaserJock> that's why I asked
[08:30] <LaserJock> it looked like it was possible
[08:31] <Seveas> (channel specific factoids can still be accessed from other channels though)
[08:31] <LaserJock> sure
[08:32] <LaserJock> I was just thinking there might be some items that might overlap a bit and I'd like to have a -motu specific version
[08:53] <sharms2> if I update a control file do I need to increment the version #?
[08:54] <LaserJock> well, you can't reupload the same package with changes
[08:54] <LaserJock> sharms2: are you talking about for REVU?
[08:54] <LaserJock> or just in general?
[08:54] <sharms2> LaserJock: in general, you just answered it
[08:55] <LaserJock> for REVU you can override your package and it's ok because it seperates each upload
[08:55] <LaserJock> but the archives don't do that
[09:22] <sharms2> I don't have my gpg key with me (on a laptop at school) so if I want to test a package and am getting: Failed to sign .dsc and .changes file    what can I do?
[09:23] <sharms2> using: dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot
[09:23] <tseng> thats a warning, not an error
[09:23] <tseng> it builds the package
[09:23] <tseng> now, without the gpg key and a valid signature, dont expect to upload it to revu or ubuntu
[09:23] <tseng> but it built it.
[09:25] <sharms2> tseng: I didnt see the normal gcc stuff fly by, shouldnt I have?
[09:25] <tseng> no
[09:25] <tseng> -S = source
[09:26] <bluefoxicy> Gdk-CRITICAL **: file gdkfont.c: line 335 (gdk_string_width): assertion `font != NULL' failed.
[09:26] <bluefoxicy> so much for audacity.
[09:28] <sharms2> I figured it out, I believe I am retarded
[09:29] <Seveas> !foo
[09:29] <ubotu> foo is LaserJock
[09:29] <tseng>  I don't get it
[09:29] <LaserJock> sweet
[09:29] <tseng> !foo
[09:29] <ubotu> foo is LaserJock
[09:29] <tseng> ok then.
[09:30] <LaserJock> tseng: bot testing :-)
[09:48] <fowlduck> how do i get the debian/ contents out of an existing package?
[09:49] <LaserJock> fowlduck: grab the source package
[09:49] <fowlduck> heh, I didn't make one? :/
[09:49] <fowlduck> is there another way?
[09:50] <LaserJock> ok, I don't understand
[09:50] <fowlduck> i made one, but i don't know where it is
[09:50] <fowlduck> i just have the binary now
[09:50] <slomo> it's lost in the binary
[09:51] <LaserJock> you can sort of get bits and pieces, but the binary doesn't have the debian/, I dont' think
[09:51] <LaserJock> good idea :-)
[09:55] <LaserJock> !mentors
[09:55] <ubotu> for initial mentoring to introduce you to the MOTU world check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors
[09:56] <tseng> thats useful
[09:56] <tseng> if i can remember it
[09:56] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:12] <sharms2> ++ for mentors
[10:18] <crimsun> imbrandon: pong, but in n' out for the next 6 hours
[10:21] <LaserJock> !seen dholbach
[10:21] <ubotu> I last saw dholbach (n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach) 54m 25s ago, quiting: "Ex-Chat"
[10:21] <LaserJock> sweet
[10:26] <_ion> ajmitch: I posted a patch to bug #36531
[10:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36531 in f-spot "f-spot-screensaver and gnome-screensaver don't mix" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36531
[10:33] <LaserJock> !info plotdrop
[10:33] <ubotu> plotdrop: A minimal GNOME frontend to GNUPlot. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.5-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 25 kB, installed size 184 kB
[10:34] <LaserJock> extra coolness
[10:34] <crimsun> !info plotdrop edgy
[10:34] <ubotu> plotdrop: A minimal GNOME frontend to GNUPlot. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 25 kB, installed size 184 kB
[10:35] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if it works with Debian
[10:35] <LaserJock> !info plotdrop unstable
[10:35] <ubotu> plotdrop: A minimal GNOME frontend to GNUPlot. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.5-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 25 kB, installed size 184 kB
[10:35] <LaserJock> :(
[11:33] <bluefoxicy> Is anyone else getting hit on?  o_o
[11:34] <tseng> thanks for sharing that.
[11:51] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: hmm, how come I never get hit on :(
[11:52] <LaserJock> they must be afraid of the lasers
[11:52] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:53] <cbx33> hi LaserJock
[11:53] <LaserJock> hi cbx33, no I haven't reviewed it yet
[11:53] <cbx33> I wasn't goign to ask
[11:53] <LaserJock> you were thinking it though :-)
[11:53] <cbx33> I know you're busy, bud, you'll get to it when you have time
[11:54] <LaserJock> I'm buying >$2000 worth of optics today
[11:54] <cbx33> actually no, I was thinking why is my f***ing computer giving so much lag in Jack
[11:54] <cbx33> and why does zsynaddfx crash my machine
[11:58] <LaserJock> I'm struggling with how in the heck I ended up doing so many things
[11:59] <cbx33> :D it works
[11:59] <LaserJock> I need to figure out how to administer a mediawiki wiki today :-)
[12:02] <cbx33> ah


[02:31] <rww> ianorlin: pleia2's nominated you for the leadership elections. please let me know whether you accept :)
[02:31] <rww> Also, if anyone else was planning on running, you have 30 minutes.
[02:33] <DonkeyHotei> nice
[02:49] <ianorlin> I accept
[02:50] <rww> danke :)
[02:50] <rww> yay a real election this year
[02:58] <nhaines> Thanks for running, ianorlin!
[02:59] <rww> Hrm, CIVS is being easier than I expected. I might just set it all up and start the voting period early (and end it on the same date as announced).
[03:00] <nhaines> I ordered new Ubuntu business cards last night.  Assuming the PGP key isn't bisected by the trim :shakes fist: they should look pretty nice.
[03:00] <rww> is it your pgp key this time
[03:00] <nhaines> The 'job title' field changed from "Community Advocate" to "Local Community Council".  Which is weird by nice.
[03:00] <nhaines> rww: for once it is.
[03:02] <rww> yay
[03:03] <nhaines> s/by/but/
[03:03] <pleia2> our business cards at work are free form title-wise, our super cool bosses just need to approve
[03:03] <pleia2> I haven't taken advantage yet, but...
[03:03] <rww> pleia2: can you link that LPl script for getting emails again
[03:03] <nhaines> "Cloud Specialist and Browser of Cat Photos"
[03:04] <pleia2> rww: https://github.com/YokoZar/lp-election-helper
[03:04] <darthrobot> Title: [YokoZar/lp-election-helper · GitHub]
[03:04] <DonkeyHotei> http://www.kittenwar.com/
[03:04] <darthrobot> Title: [Kittenwar! May The Cutest Kitten Win!]
[03:06] <pleia2> I'm thinking more like Supreme Empress of Cloud Infrastructure
[03:07] <rww> "Failing that, it will look for a GPG key on the account and use the email address located there." lol, sneaky
[03:07] <pleia2> :)
[03:07] <elky> our cat keeps trying to eat the lettuce in my dinner
[03:08] <rww> lettuce is clearly a cat food
[03:09] <pleia2> my cat doesn't believe lettuce is food, he is normal, I think something is wrong with yours
[03:09] <pleia2> :)
[03:10] <pleia2> he did like cantaloupe as a kitten though
[03:10] <nhaines> My cat used to bite all the avocados.
[03:10] <elky> this one thinks anything he can swallow is a food
[03:10] <pleia2> hehe
[03:10] <elky> and he inhales food
[03:10] <elky> so if you leave something within his reach...
[03:11] <pleia2> nhaines: how california of them :)
[03:12] <rww> pleia2: he's secretly a dog
[03:12] <rww> he eats everything
[03:12] <elky> including pebbles he finds near the door
[03:12] <pleia2> x_x
[03:12] <nhaines> elky: they might be scouts.
[03:12] <nhaines> Have to eat them before the other pebbles arrive.
[03:13] <elky> yes, we have accident insurance for him
[03:13] <pleia2> good call
[03:13] <elky> we can't get other health insurance for him since he's a herpes kitty
[03:13]  * nhaines doesn't buy insurance for pets.
[03:13] <nhaines> If my cat gets sick he'd better eat some grass.
[03:34] <nhaines> rww: are we voting yet?
[03:35] <pleia2> mine have insurance too, which is good since my Siamese now has renal failure, and that got expensive quickly :\
[03:36]  * nhaines prescribes more grass.
[03:37] <pleia2> heh
[03:37] <pleia2> we've kept her hydrated and lousy kidneys functioning with injected fluids every other day
[03:37] <pleia2> for 3 years
[03:43]  * ianorlin might need ot end up with busness cards
[03:44] <nhaines> ianorlin: I'll write a testimonial for your Ubuntu membership application!
[03:44] <ianorlin> ok
[03:44] <DonkeyHotei> why do we still need dead trees for that in this day and age?
[03:45] <nhaines> Because we're not Jono.
[03:45] <ianorlin> need some form of backup for contact
[03:50] <pleia2> human memory is bad and portable electronics have poor battery life
[03:51] <ianorlin> and get lost as well
[04:43] <rww> nhaines: Yep! Emails going out now to people with LP-discoverable emails, then I get to chase up everyone else.
[04:47] <pleia2> ya vote!
[04:51] <nhaines> I have now cast the ceremonial first vote.
[04:51] <nhaines> By which I mean I'm just claiming I was first.
[04:53] <rww> 5 people so far :P
[04:54]  * ianorlin thinks having the canidates be active and be able to quickly respond is good
[04:59] <nhaines> rww: I was the first though.  :P
[04:59] <nhaines> ianorlin: +1
[22:11] <pleia2> ok, the rain was fun when I was like "oooh I can use my new OpenCompute UMBRELLA! and my poor neglected raincoat!"
[22:11] <pleia2> my umbrella broke today, and my feet are wet, I don't like the rain anymore
[22:11] <pleia2> (how am I doing as a Californian?)
[22:22] <blitz> I love the rain :D I wore my raincoat and it was fun
[22:22] <blitz> splish splash
[23:52] <pleia2> hooray! Confirmed Gandi.net offices downtown for our Xubuntu QA Global Jam in February :)
[23:53] <DonkeyHotei> aren't they in france?
[23:53] <pleia2> not their san francisco office
[23:54] <DonkeyHotei> didn't realize they had one
[23:54] <pleia2> yeah, a few of their employees came to our release party at adroll, so we got talking about venues
[23:54] <pleia2> they're really supportive folks, give debian developers and Ubuntu Members domain and hosting discounts and things
[23:55] <DonkeyHotei> i've been considering S3 for personal hosting
[23:57] <DonkeyHotei> thoughts?
[23:58] <pleia2> I've never used it
[23:59] <pleia2> I work on OpenStack all day long, Amazon services are not my forte ;) and I still use actual servers and VPSs for off-site storage/backups


[08:29] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, all! :-D
[10:27]  * mandel reboots due to updates
[11:13] <gatox> good morning
[11:34] <mandel> gatox, morning!
[11:34] <gatox> mandel, hi, how are you?
[11:35] <mandel> gatox, fine.. although I'm getting tired of the unity trunk breaking and having to fix it every morning :-/
[11:36] <gatox> mandel, :S
[11:48] <mandel> gatox, how are you doing?
[11:48] <gatox> mandel, fine..... setting my mac up to date to start fixing stuff there
[11:49] <mandel> gatox, ouch
[12:09] <alecu> hello, all!
[12:09] <gatox> alecu, hi mister
[12:09] <mandel> alecu, morning!
[12:44] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:45] <alecu> hi there, boss!
[12:45] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[12:48] <ralsina> hello gatox, alecu
[12:50] <mandel> ralsina, morning!
[12:50] <mandel> not related, but time for lunch :)
[12:55] <nessita> gatox: would you know why when clicking on the U1 icon in the messaging menu the controlpanel is not opened?
[12:56] <gatox> nessita, checking.....
[12:56] <nessita> gatox: this is precise up to date with nightlies
[12:57] <nessita> gatox: my wild and uneducated guess is that the U1 icon still points to the inexistent u1-installer
[12:57] <gatox> nessita, let me upgrade and check
[12:59] <gatox> nessita, no.... no working here neither.... could you please file a bug for that?
[12:59] <gatox> nessita, if alecu agrees, you can assign that to me
[13:01] <nessita> ack
[13:01] <gatox> nessita, thx!
[13:02] <nessita> alecu, gatox: bug #1059571
[13:03] <dobey> eh?
[13:03] <gatox> nessita, thx
[13:03] <gatox> alecu, do you want me to take that bug?
[13:04] <alecu> gatox: sure, go ahead. But I think the darwin release takes priority.
[13:04] <dobey> ah
[13:04] <gatox> alecu, yes
[13:04] <dobey> gatox: i'll fix it
[13:05] <gatox> dobey, ok
[13:05] <gatox> nessita, dobey is going to fix that
[13:07] <nessita> gatox, dobey: thanks!
[13:38] <dobey> nessita, gatox, alecu: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/fix-msg-menu/+merge/127280
[13:39] <gatox> dobey, on it
[13:47] <gatox> mmcc, ping
[13:58] <gatox> is someone currently working on mac?? i'm trying to reset the buildout, because i expect that several things change..... but i can get it to work
[14:07] <alecu> gatox: how are you doing it?
[14:08] <gatox> alecu, following the document
[14:08] <alecu> gatox: have you updated the brew too?
[14:09] <gatox> alecu, no.... i started from the buildout section
[14:09] <alecu> dobey: +1
[14:09] <gatox> but now..... pyqt is not being recognize....... so i think i will need to install everything again
[14:09] <alecu> gatox: perhaps you may want to try that too. I don't recall if it's in the document.
[14:09] <gatox> maybe with some of the updates i lost things
[14:09] <alecu> gatox: SO updates?
[14:09] <mandel> ralsina, 1-1 when ever you want
[14:09] <gatox> alecu, yes
[14:10] <alecu> i mean... OS updates :-)
[14:10] <alecu> gatox: oh, ok.
[14:10] <alecu> gatox: anywaym, try updating the qt brew first, to see if that fixes it.
[14:11] <gatox> yes
[14:11] <alecu> gatox: qt, or pyqt, or everything
[14:11] <alecu> gatox: https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/wiki/FAQ
[14:14] <alecu> Do you guys know how newspapers always get names wrong?
[14:15] <alecu> I was surprised this morning to see that the py3.3 news got Mr. Curtain's last name wrong, too! http://docs.python.org/py3k/whatsnew/3.3.html#pep-397-python-launcher-for-windows
[14:20] <ralsina> mandel: sorry, was on a call, let's try mumble
[14:20] <mandel> ralsina, ok, let me launch os x
[14:22] <ralsina> alecu: is Brian Curtain the french cousin?
[14:26] <briancurtin> ha, i'll have to correct that
[14:26] <mmcc> hi folks. gatox, can you tell me what exact error you're getting? you shouldn't have to re-install brew stuff, only the buildout changed
[14:28] <mmcc> Brian Curtain sounds like someone used voice transcription software to write release notes… not a bad idea, really. I wonder how well it'd work for IRC
[14:28] <gatox> mmcc, i've created a new branch for the buildout..... follow all the steps in the document..... but when trying to run the tests or execute something i keep getting some dependencies issues...... let me finish with the upgrade of the things.....and i will try again and copy the output
[14:30] <mmcc> gatox, ok. don't forget to 'source env-mac' , and it's important to do it while you're in the directory scripts/devsetup/
[14:30] <mmcc> e.g., if you're just in the top level of the buildout and you do 'source scripts/devsetup/env-mac', it won't work
[14:31] <gatox> mmcc, ack
[14:31] <gatox> maybe was that
[14:51] <mandel> agh! I need to restart for the updates to take effect..
[14:55] <gatox> mmcc, i'm having a problem with the qtreactor when trying to run the tests as the document says..... let me paste the output
[14:55] <mmcc> ok, so it looks like bug 1056332 is still an issue, despite having plugged the memory leaks.  ralsina or gatox, I could use help on bug 1049973 -- I'm writing an email with what I know about that now
[14:56] <mmcc> ok gatox, I'll brb and then take a look
[14:56] <gatox> mmcc, ack, thx
[14:58] <gatox_mac> mmcc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1254010/
[15:00] <mandel> me
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:00] <briancurtin> me
[15:01] <dobey> me
[15:01] <ralsina> me
[15:01] <ralsina> mmcc: ?
[15:01] <ralsina> alecu: ?
[15:02] <ralsina> mandel: go!
[15:02] <mandel> DONE: Splitted preview branch to have two other branches it depends one, one for the text entry an otherone for the action link. Discovered unity trunk does not longer build in my syste :-/
[15:02] <mandel> TODO: Get unity back to compile in my system. Add some ui tests.
[15:02] <mandel> BLOCKED: trunk failing...
[15:02] <mandel> gatox, please
[15:02] <alecu> me
[15:02] <gatox> DONE:
[15:02] <gatox> Fixed and landed the u1-cp branches. Start setting up the environment to work on mac.
[15:02] <gatox> TODO:
[15:02] <gatox> Finish with the mac env setup and get it working.
[15:02] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:02] <gatox> With the mac env setup (working on that).
[15:02] <gatox> briancurtin, go
[15:03] <briancurtin> DONE: outside of my half-day and the team call, i just poked around debugging the U1CP issue with pkg_resources on windows
[15:03] <briancurtin> TODO: get windows IRL working
[15:03] <briancurtin> NOTE: i'm going to the john hunter memorial service in a few minutes. not sure how long it'll take but im trying to work it as a long lunch, and i'll stick around later today
[15:03] <briancurtin> NEXT: dobey
[15:03] <dobey> DONE: team meeting, reviews, bug triage, bug fixes
[15:03] <dobey> TODO: 4.0.0 releases
[15:03] <dobey> BLCK: None
[15:03] <dobey> ralsina: go
[15:03] <ralsina> DONE: calls, calls, reviews, then some calls, then some reviews. TODO: get into mac gear. Also call and reviews. BLOCKED: no NEXT: alecu
[15:03] <gatox> ralsina, i see a pattern in your tasks :P
[15:04] <ralsina> gatox: oh yes
[15:04] <ralsina> gatox: never get into management kid, your ears will fall off.
[15:04] <gatox> jejejje
[15:04] <alecu> DONE: json fixes for dash payments
[15:04] <alecu> TODO: get protobuf 3 changes merged upstream, get lens work merged
[15:04] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[15:04] <mmcc> DONE: poking at quit bug, fsevents daemon mem usage. some reviews
[15:04] <mmcc> TODO: same
[15:04] <mmcc> BLOCK: quit bug: need expert qt help
[15:05] <alecu> mmcc: what's the problem with the quit bug?
[15:06] <mmcc> alecu. I think it's actually a couple of bugs, but one is that the system quit event doesn't seem to be sent to the places we expect.
[15:07] <mmcc> we register a qaction for cmd-q, but that doesn't fire, and our QApplication subclass doesn't seem to get the aboutToQuit signal
[15:08] <mmcc> so the overall issue is that we're not doing the right cleanup when the user quits. and I'm hoping that it's related to the bug where sometimes it hangs during quit and doens't actually go away
[15:10] <mmcc> gatox, qt4reactor should be in the eggs/ directory in your buildout. can you paste what's in scripts/devsetup/eggs ?
[15:10] <gatox> mmcc, yes...... let me do that
[15:12] <gatox_mac> mmcc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1254045/
[15:12] <gatox> mmcc, is not there..... can i just install it in the system..... or it should be included in the buildout for the other things to work?
[15:14] <mmcc> gatox: weird. I wouldn't install it in the system. let's just get your buildout working. try this: go to scripts/devsetup and run 'bin/buildout install development'
[15:15] <mmcc> btw gatox, can you also show what's in scripts/devsetup/parts ? if it had a problem with downloading the sourcedeps (devtools, storageprotocol, and dirspec), then it might have skipped the 'development' part, which comes after sourcedeps
[15:16] <mmcc> and qt4reactor is in development but isn't a dependency for anything else, so that'd explain this
[15:18] <gatox_mac> mmcc, i just executed sudo ./bin/buildout install development…. everything was ok with that…. in the parts i have: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1254057/
[15:19] <mmcc> gatox_mac: you don't need sudo.
[15:20] <gatox_mac> mmcc, in my case yes…. or it says permission denied
[15:21] <mmcc> gatox_mac: you really shouldn't need it. where are you installing this?
[15:22] <gatox_mac> mmcc, /Users/gatox/canonical/build-env…. that's ubuntuone-windows-installer
[15:22] <mmcc> gatox_mac: did you do the initial bootstrap.py --distribute with sudo too?
[15:24] <mmcc> everything under the buildout directory should be owned by your user, but if you start out with sudo, the stuff it writes will probably have the wrong permissions
[15:24] <gatox> mmcc, nop.... the distribute was without sudo
[15:26] <mmcc> gatox, well, if you've got some permissions set wrong, the easiest thing to do is just blow it up and start over from a new branch of ubuntuone-windows-installer
[15:26] <gatox> mmcc, ok.... i'll do that
[15:26] <mmcc> no sudo this time, and let me know where you run into problems that seem to require it
[15:27] <gatox> mmcc, ack
[15:32] <dobey> gatox: were you also looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/fix-msg-menu/+merge/127280 btw? :)
[15:32] <gatox> dobey, ah yes! and it has a failure that is not in trunk when i run the tests
[15:33] <gatox> dobey, let me run the tests again just in case
[15:37] <gatox> mmcc, now is working.... it seems that if i execute the things like: ./bin/buildout install....... it requires sudo in my case..... but if i do: bin/buildout install doesn't
[15:39] <mmcc> gatox: what does it say when you do the first one?
[15:39] <dobey> ralsina, alecu: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/disable-inhibit/+merge/127311 if you please. it disables the use of the inhibit code for now
[15:39] <gatox> mmcc, permission denied something.......  i don't have the message right now...... i can retry that later if you want..... now i'm following the steps that work
[15:40] <ralsina> dobey: got it
[15:40] <ralsina> dobey: who should be made aware of the root issue?
[15:43] <mmcc> gatox: ok, sure. I don't need you to retry it.
[15:43] <mmcc> but if it's in scrollback, I'd like to see it, because I don't like not knowing :)
[15:44] <dobey> ralsina: i know what the root issue is, and discussed it with alecu earlier. but the proper fix to make it work is too large to do for the final release today i think. we can sru it though probably
[15:44] <ralsina> dobey: awesome
[15:48] <dobey> and need to take lunch break now. bbiab
[15:48] <alecu> dobey: when you get back, please check the change on ubuntuone/platform/session/__init__.py
[15:48] <ralsina> dobey: line 53 of the diff, extra space
[15:48] <alecu> ralsina: exactly
[15:48]  * alecu gets some lunch, and runs some errands too.
[15:48] <mmcc> still writing this email explaining what I know about the quit bug(s). If we're lucky, by the time I'm done writing this I'll understand how to fix it
[15:49] <gatox> mmcc, is working now!! awesome!! :D (i'm going to add 2 missing steps in the document)
[15:49] <dobey> ralsina: ah good catch, thanks. fixed that. originally from comment I added there, but it broke tests too badly :)
[15:50] <dobey> ok, really off to lunch now
[15:50] <mmcc> gatox: great.
[15:52]  * ralsina vows to someday get some style checking in u1-client
[15:53] <gatox> ralsina, hey! once i propose a branch that fix all the pep8 issues in that branch........ but because pep8 is not being executed with the tests..... it gets dirty again
[15:54] <ralsina> gatox: let's try again in november :-)
[15:54] <ralsina> gatox: and this time we add it to the test run
[15:54] <gatox> ralsina, yap..... we can also try autopep8
[15:55] <ralsina> gatox: I saw the other day a script that pep8-fies automatically is it that one?
[15:55] <gatox> ralsina, i don't know..... this is the one i know
[15:55]  * gatox plans to integrate that with a particular ide :P
[15:56] <gatox> wow........ u1-cp in mac are really slow :S
[15:56] <gatox> u1-cp tests i mean
[16:01] <ralsina> dobey: +1
[16:03] <mmcc> gatox: you need this patch or the control panel tests will never finish: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1254147/
[16:04] <gatox> mmcc, jejeje good to know....... it was ridiculous  long jeje
[16:04] <mmcc> gatox: yeah, sorry about that. just added it to the doc
[16:05] <gatox> ralsina, mmcc, but at least it work now..... i was planning to start looking why the shares tab is not working there..... or do you have in mind any other task that has more priority?
[16:06] <ralsina> gatox: that's a very good one
[16:06] <gatox> ralsina, great
[16:06] <mmcc> gatox: I'll let ralsina make that decision, but I was definitely hoping you'd look at the shares tab, since that's your stuff
[16:06] <ralsina> mmcc: unless one of the critical bugs is out of hand?
[16:06] <gatox> shares tab it is!
[16:06] <mmcc> ralsina: the quit bug! but I'm going to er, bug you about that one
[16:06] <ralsina> mmcc: happy to be bugged :-)
[16:06] <gatox> ok......... mac is upgrading..... and really slowly....... i'll have lunch now......
[16:21] <mmcc> ralsina: I just sent an email to you guys with my notes. I probably could've written more but I wanted to get it out sooner. Let me know if anything doesn't make sense.
[16:21] <mmcc> also, I have to take an early lunch now, hopefully that syncs up OK with you guys…
[16:43] <mandel> EOD, see you all tom!
[16:45] <gatox> mandel, bye
[16:45] <gatox> ok........ NOW is time to lunch
[16:51] <ralsina> mmcc: I think I know where the problem with *one* of those thigns is :-)
[16:52] <ralsina> mmcc: replied with the little bit I am guessing
[16:54] <ralsina> mmcc: at least that one is easy to try
[17:08] <ralsina> briancurtin: I scheduled a windows QA session for the 9th to see where we stand on windows
[17:08] <dobey> hrmm, maybe i should just land these branches with 1 review
[17:10] <ralsina> dobey: any  one I can review?
[17:11] <dobey> ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/fix-msg-menu/+merge/127280
[17:12] <ralsina> dobey: I can do that one in about 80 minutes :-/
[17:12] <ralsina> dobey: so I trust you about merging it if that's too late
[17:14] <ralsina> and now lunch!
[17:43] <gatox> brb
[17:50] <mmcc> ralsina: your suggestion to use app-wide context doesn't change anything for me :\ I did this:   self.quit_action.setShortcutContext(3) , (3 is the value of the enum for the app-wide context )
[17:50] <mmcc> note that cmd-W DOES call the method I set with quit_action, but cmd-Q does not.
[17:50] <mmcc> so it's handling cmd-q differently
[17:55] <gatox> back
[17:59] <mmcc> gatox, what were the missing steps in the buildout that you were going to add?
[18:00] <gatox> mmcc, already there..... about the files inside u1-client/windows.... and that you need to build some projects as u1-storage-protocol by your own
[18:01] <mmcc> gatox: ah, ok
[18:18] <mmcc> so, if you create your own QApplication outside of qtreactor, qtreactor will call exec_() on a Qeventloop it creates instead of the qapplication.
[18:20] <mmcc> is quit getting sent to that event loop instead of my application? or something like that
[18:22] <dobey> gatox: what test did you see a failure on that wasn't in trunk?
[18:22] <gatox> dobey, ah sorry.... i forgot about that console...... i'll paste the error..... it fails again
[18:22] <gatox> dobey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1254458/
[18:23] <dobey> gatox: hrmm, actually that does happen in trunk
[18:24] <gatox> dobey, i'll mark it as need fixing and copy that in the merge too
[18:24] <dobey> gatox: an armhf build failed once on that in quantal
[18:24] <dobey> gatox: rebuilding that build it succeeded
[18:25] <gatox> dobey, ok..... i'll rebuild if you want
[18:25] <gatox> but....... i already made: "make check" twice
[18:25] <gatox> or are you suggesting something else?
[18:25] <ralsina> mmcc: interesting
[18:26] <dobey> gatox: it is unrelated to my changes
[18:26] <gatox> dobey, mmmmm........ i understand that part...... but..... it's weird that happens in your branch and not in trunk..... :S
[18:27] <ralsina> mmcc: ha! I am about to guess Cmd-q is bound to QApplication::quit() by default on mac
[18:28] <mmcc> ralsina, yes http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/4.8/qmenubar.html#qmenubar-on-mac-os-x -- says it is
[18:29] <dobey> gatox: but it does happen in trunk
[18:29] <mmcc> so one way to attack this is to try to create a menu item that Qt will use instead of its default ,so we can control where it's getting sent
[18:30] <ralsina> mmcc: ok, then let me introduce you to http://doc.qt.digia.com/4.7-snapshot/qcoreapplication.html#aboutToQuit
[18:30] <gatox> dobey, i didn't have the last changes from trunk..... now i'm running trunk again..... i'll accept the branch and propose another branch to fix that problem
[18:30] <mmcc> ralsina: that doesn't get fired!
[18:31] <ralsina> mmcc: really????
[18:31] <ralsina> mmcc: that's supposed to always get fired before the event loop stops!
[18:31] <mmcc> ralsina: UniqueApplication already listens for that to kill its local slocket thing, but on macos it does not run
[18:31] <mmcc> I know! I hate this bug
[18:31] <mmcc> ralsina: but *which* event loop!?
[18:31] <ralsina> mmcc: the only way for that to happen is either a qt bug or a signal handler :-(
[18:31] <mmcc> I'm still not totally clear on how the qtreactor's Qeventloop interacts with the QApplication we create.
[18:32] <ralsina> mmcc: oh.... the qapp one. Which we are not running!
[18:32] <mmcc> righto
[18:32] <ralsina> mmcc: ok, so, maybe in qtreactor there is something where we can hook
[18:33] <mmcc> ralsina: well, if I print the return value from their eventloop.exec_() call, that prints 0 for me when I do cmd-q
[18:33]  * ralsina starts reading twisted code
[18:33] <mmcc> which is why I'm puzzled. why does sending quit() to the qapplication cause an unrelated QEventLoop to exit from exec()?
[18:33] <ralsina> mmcc: if we are still in our code after we exit the loop we could kill sd forcibly but that's awful
[18:34] <ralsina> mmcc: lost you there, I'm afraid
[18:35] <dobey> ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/dirspec/update-4-0/+merge/127345 please :)
[18:35] <ralsina> mmcc: we can reach the event loop the reactor is launching.
[18:36] <ralsina> mmcc: so we *could* patch qtreactor so that when the loop ends we do something (or even emit a signal)
[18:36] <ralsina> dobey: got it
[18:38] <ralsina> mmcc: the code is clear enough https://github.com/ghtdak/qtreactor/blob/master/qt4reactor.py#L260
[18:39] <chaselivingston> mmcc: any updates on the bug i reported about joining a shared folder but the contents don't sync down?
[18:39] <dobey> hmm, i wonder if synergyc works in quantal; latest updates seem to have broken x2x :(
[18:40] <mmcc> chaselivingston: no, I haven't been working on that. do we have a bug # for it?
[18:41] <chaselivingston> i didn't look too hard to find it… let me see
[18:41] <ralsina> dobey, global +1
[18:41] <chaselivingston> mmcc: bug #1053489
[18:41] <dobey> thanks ralsina
[18:43] <mmcc> thanks chaselivingston. well, it's on the list :)
[18:43] <chaselivingston> mmcc: haha
[18:43] <chaselivingston> mmcc: isn't the app going to QA later this week?
[18:44] <mmcc> ralsina: so what I was wondering earlier, is that since we have a default menu action that is sending quit() to the qapplication, why does that then cause the eventloop that qtreactor created to exit? Does the eventloop listen for a signal from the application or something?
[18:45] <mmcc> chaselivingston: yes, it is
[18:45] <chaselivingston> mmcc: ok, i guess you're planning on releasing at least one more updated build to us this week then?
[18:46] <ralsina> mmcc: I am guessing that killing the app kills all secondary event loops, but that would have to be tested
[18:47] <mmcc> ralsina: ok. well, I just built a sample app that doesn't use qtreactor, just pyqt, and it sends aboutToQuit just fine
[18:47] <mmcc> chaselivingston: yes, right at the deadline :)
[18:47] <chaselivingston> mmcc: haha
[18:50] <ralsina> mmcc: ok then it's a problem about not running the right event loop
[18:50] <ralsina> mmcc: qtreactor is starting a "local" event loop. We create an app. When the app gets cmd-q it ends, but since it's not running its event loop, it never gets to emit aboutToQuit
[18:51] <dobey> sigh
[18:51] <ralsina> because that's emitted "when the event loop counter reaches 0"
[18:51] <dobey> f'n cloud icons :-/
[18:51] <ralsina> mmcc: obvious solution, make qtreactor emit aboutToQuit :-)
[18:51] <ralsina> mmcc: it's a one-line patch to qtreactor
[18:52] <gatox> dobey, +1....... i'll propose a branch to fix the other issue
[18:53] <mmcc> ralsina: ok, and then somewhere we need to catch aboutToQuit and stop syncdaemon
[18:53] <ralsina> mmcc: right
[18:54] <dobey> gatox: thanks
[18:54] <ralsina> mmcc: we could make the reactor emit any signal, but semantically I like emitting the app's aboutToQuit
[18:54] <mmcc> ralsina: that covers not killing syncdaemon when we quit, but I'm not sure it'll solve the problem of sometimes hanging instead of quitting, which I was hoping we'd kill with the same stone
[18:55] <ralsina> mmcc: hmmm
[18:55] <ralsina> mmcc: I haven't gotten the hanging so I don't know
[18:55] <ralsina> mmcc: it *may* be because of the order on which things are dying
[18:55] <mmcc> ralsina: yeah, I'm not sure how to recreate it yet
[18:55] <ralsina> mmcc: as in, if the qapp takes a bit long to die,and we kill the process, we end with a hanged thread, or something
[19:04] <mmcc> ralsina: ok, so emitting the signal from qtreactor does give me the hook I need to shut down syncdaemon, that works.
[19:05] <ralsina> mmcc: good! In a very bad sense of the word.
[19:05] <mmcc> I have another question though - we're assuming that Qt is calling QApplication::quit(), but I tried overloading that in our UniqueApplication subclass of QApplication, and it wasn't getting called. Was I doing that wrong?
[19:06] <ralsina> mmcc: dunno
[19:06] <ralsina> mmcc: it may not be calling that. I have no idea what it's doing without reading Qt's source code which I am not gonna :)
[19:06] <mmcc> ralsina: I did read a bunch of Qt source code and I'm not really enlightened :\
[19:07] <dobey> mmcc: enfrightened?
[19:07] <mmcc> the fact that they have to have menu bar code that works for menu-bar-per-window and one-global-menu-bar makes it messy to see where events are coming from
[19:07] <ralsina> mmcc: more reason for me not to read it
[19:07] <ralsina> mmcc: right
[19:08] <ralsina> mmcc: since it emits aboutToQuit we could grep for that and backtrack
[19:08] <mmcc> dobey: heh
[19:08] <ralsina> I don't expect it to be emitted in more than one or two places
[19:08] <mmcc> ralsina: good idea, I'll see if that helps
[19:09] <ralsina> we could attach a gdb to the process, put a bp in the call and see
[19:10] <dobey> alecu: do you have a minute to do the review for https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/disable-inhibit/+merge/127311 please?
[19:15] <mmcc> ugh
[19:15] <mmcc> this is your brain on multiple nested #ifndefs
[19:16] <dobey> #ifndef BEER_IN_FRIDGE goto pub; #endif
[19:16] <mmcc> oh don't forget the double-negative #ifndef QT_NO_SESSION_MANAGER
[19:17] <dobey> mmcc: it's that japanese 'no'
[19:17] <dobey> it's the session manager that belongs to qt :P
[19:18] <mmcc> yearhgh
[19:19] <mmcc> I do like that it gives me plenty of advice thru the code though: Q_WS_WINCE
[19:50] <gatox> the good thing is that the shares tab not working on mac is consistent..... the test for that also fail
[19:50]  * gatox thinks out loud
[19:55] <dobey> ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu-sso-client/update-4-0/+merge/127358 please
[19:56] <mmcc> more fun: Qt's macEventFilter, which is a top-level hook to inspect all events, doesn't appear to be included in pyqt
[19:56] <ralsina> dobey: got it
[19:57] <ralsina> gatox: awesome-ish!
[19:58] <alecu> dobey: on it
[19:59] <alecu> dobey: +1
[20:00] <dobey> thanks alecu
[20:01] <ralsina> dobey: +1
[20:01]  * alecu will be afk, and will get back later tonight to work some more
[20:01] <ralsina> mmcc: hmmm you shoul be able to use a regular eventFilter
[20:01] <dobey> gracias ralsina
[20:19] <ralsina> I am not feeling great. I will stop now and try to come back later :-(
[20:20] <gatox> eod for me! see you tomorrow people!
[20:30] <mmcc> can't figure out how to install a regular eventFilter with pyqt either.
[21:04] <dobey> can i get someone to do a quick review of https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-dev-tools/update-4-0/+merge/127371 please?
[21:14] <briancurtin> dobey: i'll take a look
[21:19] <dobey> thanks
[21:31] <dobey> i wonder why the proxy tests in sso are all failing now on quantal :(
[21:34] <dobey> oh well, need to go now. have a good evening all!
[22:15] <mmcc> hm, now that I think about this more, I don't think that emitting aboutToQuit after the eventloop has already stopped will work. on quit, we need to kill syncdaemon and stop the reactor - but syncdaemontool.quit() returns a deferred, and I'm not sure how to wait for that to finish before stopping the reactor, since we're doing it in a function called by emitting a signal at the end of the reactor's run() function…


[20:51]  * genii-around sips his coffee and ponders if yesterdays meeting was the day after or tomorrow
[20:52] <Unit193> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-25-18.02.html
[20:53] <genii-around> Unit193: Thanks :-)
[20:53] <Unit193> Sure thing.


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