[00:01] <shakes808> cmaloney: How are you doing?
[00:20] <cmaloney> OK so far. Yourself?
[00:22] <shakes808> Meh, not too bad.  Will be better when I am out of work and killing people on the XBOX :) and sending out my resume out :)
[00:26] <shakes808> ^^^ one too many "out"  :|
[00:32] <cmaloney> heh
[00:32] <cmaloney> out and about out
[00:32] <shakes808> haha.
[00:32] <shakes808> hopefully out before April
[15:04] <cmaloney> morning
[16:21] <_stink_> yo
[16:21]  * greg-g yawns
[17:10] <cmaloney> Totally
[18:20] <mrgoodcat> mornin
[20:01] <cmaloney> http://openmetalcast.com/2016/03/15/open-metalcast-episode-125-one-two-five/


[01:25] <stiv2k> darkxst: hi
[04:13] <darkxst> stiv2k, hi
[04:22] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Are there any plans to still fix bug 1386958 ?
[04:25] <darkxst> Noskcaj, the bulk of it was done
[06:52] <craysiii> anyone else suffer from constant crashing of colord on 15.04?
[06:58] <darkxst> craysiii, no, file a bug
[06:59] <craysiii> okay i will. I have done the send a report a few times, next time ill just file it myself
[06:59] <darkxst> craysiii, for stable release that goes to errors.ubuntu.com
[06:59] <Noskcaj> craysiii, i'm busy right now, but maybe check errors.ubuntu.com or bugs.launchpad.com/ubuntu/+source/colord to check
[06:59] <Noskcaj> nvm, darkxst is here to help
[07:00] <darkxst> Noskcaj, not really, I'm a zombie today
[07:01] <darkxst> big saturday night
[07:03] <craysiii> okay so i made an account for ubuntu one so i could access what appears to be the same error that I am getting (#5 on errors.ubuntu.com) but now when i try to view the report i get an OpenID error saying my account doesn't have a nickname. I go to the page where I registered to change my nickname but there is no option to add/edit one
[07:05] <darkxst> craysiii, reports on errors.u.c need special permissions to access send me the link
[07:05] <craysiii> oh okay
[07:05] <craysiii> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/8b9ed48be6c32a738c54fc1fc36cccf2058be60b
[07:06] <craysiii> i believe thats what it is
[07:06] <Noskcaj> if there's a bug for it i can triage and unprivate it
[07:06] <craysiii> i need to confirm though, and it usually only happens once per boot cycle
[07:06] <darkxst> craysiii, thats bug 1351286
[07:08] <craysiii> interesting error
[07:08] <craysiii> i wonder if s is null and thats why the assertion is failing
[07:10] <darkxst> craysiii, s is not null
[07:11] <darkxst> it could be a dangling pointer though can't tell that from the stacktrace
[07:11] <craysiii> been a while since ive done or looked at c/++
[07:13] <darkxst> craysiii, ideally you would fire it up in gdb and set a breakpoint on avahi_simple_poll_prepare
[07:13] <darkxst> and then poke into s, but if it only happens on boot that is a little tricky
[07:13] <craysiii> well for me, ot doesn't happen on boot, but only once per boot\
[07:14] <craysiii> it happens randomly
[07:14] <craysiii> or what appears to be random
[07:15] <darkxst> attach gdb to the process, set breakpoint and wait!
[07:16] <craysiii> ill try to debug it later this week. i'm starting a fullstack web dev course on bloc.io tomorrow. trying to focus on 1 thing at a time :P
[07:18] <darkxst> could be something specific only getting ~250 hits p/d
[07:18] <darkxst> hardware specific
[07:20] <craysiii> what does p/d mean
[07:23] <craysiii> do you think it could have to do with the fact that im running at kind of a weird resolution? 2560x1080
[07:23] <darkxst> per day
[07:24] <darkxst> no shouldnt be related to resolution, I wouldnt have though so anyway
[07:24] <darkxst> do you have a scanner attached to your machine?
[07:24] <craysiii> nope
[07:25] <craysiii> its a really new computer. Intel G3258 cpu. nvidia gtx 960.
[07:27] <craysiii> no peripherals attached except m/kb and speakers through audio jack
[07:27] <darkxst> craysiii, its crashing in the Sane Kodak AIO backend
[07:28] <craysiii> o.O
[07:30] <craysiii> ill have to check mine then. i don't know why that would even be on my installation
[07:30] <craysiii> or why it would be invoked
[07:30] <craysiii> do you think that could happen if there is a networked printer on the LAN?
[07:31] <darkxst> craysiii, yes
[07:31] <craysiii> i didn't think about that, there is one networked printer i believe
[07:32] <craysiii> there is one on the network but its not added as an available printer on my machine
[07:32] <craysiii> though ubuntu is able to find it
[07:33] <craysiii> and its an epson printer
[07:49] <darkxst> craysiii, does seem related to network, if you look at the trace
[07:49] <darkxst> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/181315332/Stacktrace.txt
[07:51] <craysiii> net autodiscovery
[07:52] <craysiii> i wonder if i can turn that off
[07:52] <darkxst> yeh frames #6 - #8 are probably the interesting ones
[07:52] <darkxst> you can possibly disable the kodakaio backend, but thats would just be a hacky workaround
[07:53] <craysiii> truew
[07:54] <craysiii> needs to fail gracefully
[07:54] <craysiii> lol
[07:55] <craysiii> or connect properly or whatever its supposed to do
[07:56] <darkxst> it could be confused, but I don't have time to look at the source code
[07:57] <craysiii> thanks for taking me this far
[07:58] <craysiii> im going to attempt it in my freetime. always wanted to contribute. unless someone does first ha.
[07:59] <darkxst> seems like a corner case to me, so unlikely that will happen
[08:09] <darkxst> craysiii, its really hard to fix bugs that can't be reproduced (except the rare occassion there is something
[08:09] <darkxst> glaring obvious wrong in the stacktrace)
[08:09] <craysiii> somehow my computer reproduces it every day >.>
[08:10] <darkxst> It could be triggered somehow by the network printer
[08:11] <craysiii> maybe when its turned on
[08:11] <craysiii> or off
[08:11] <darkxst> I have a xerox network printer but apparently that does not trigger it
[09:50] <stemid> why is the gnome keyring so bad at handling my passwords? Evolution-ews struggles constantly to remember my password, keeps asking me to authenticate and I've found several bugs reported and solved for similar issues online.
[09:50] <stemid> and now after I changed my AD password at work pidgin won't work either. keeps asking for the password.
[09:51] <stemid> this issue with exchange accounts in evolution goes back years
[12:36] <darkxst> stemid, evo is mainly maintainted by the ubuntu desktop team
[19:53] <varunwachaspati>  Hello, I am using Ubuntu 15.04, all of my GNOME applications aren't working properly, example- screenshots makes the screen go white and freezes, Tried to reinstall - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832491/
[19:53] <varunwachaspati> Have a look at the link, any pointers will be appreciated, Thanks in Advance...
[20:44] <Kurvivor19> Hello! i need an advice. I have a game that is launched but command of type "cd /game/folder && ./game -par param"
[20:44] <Kurvivor19> it works fine from terminal
[20:45] <Kurvivor19> but when i create a launcher wich such command, it tells me that "an error occured during launch" every time
[20:46] <muelli> Kurvivor19: several options.  One is to try Path=/game/folder
[20:46] <muelli> the other is to try Termin=true
[20:47] <muelli> then there is always the option of making your line to start the program a little script which you then execute instead.


[00:05] <basketball> can anyone answer this please http://askubuntu.com/questions/444137/hp-office-jet-100-mobile-printer-l411-will-not-show-up-in-printer-list-in-ubuntu/444164?noredirect=1#444164
[00:23] <henryC> I had to revert kernel because I had only "dummy output", yesterday.  Any idea when it might be safe to try updating again?  Kubuntu 14.04....
[00:23] <henryC> lost sound, I meant to say
[00:25] <henryC> If there's a more appropriate place to ask the question, sorry, please tell me.
[00:41] <henryC> please, one at a time
[00:46] <dw1> ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) y u no discuss ubuntu 14.04?
[03:09] <caf4926> can someone try a LO presentation with the Vintage page. When you go to the presentation mode, do you loose some of the formatting of the Vintage look?
[03:18] <GI_Jack> I just installed ubuntu 14.04, it all seems good except the menu bar is too small, especially the buttons to really work with touch
[03:19] <GI_Jack> how do you change this menu bar buttons. In gnome and other desktops, the desktop respects the theme's window manager decorations
[03:19] <GI_Jack> why not unity?
[03:20] <Andorin> I'm having trouble getting themes to work on 14.04. I'm new to Unity as a whole and want to apply a new skin, but can't figure out how. I downloaded a GTK 3 theme from gnome-look.org and put it in ~/.themes but it's not showing up as an available theme.
[03:21] <GI_Jack> Andorin, did you try ~/.local/share/themes ??
[03:21] <Andorin> no, but I could
[03:21] <GI_Jack> do it
[03:22] <GI_Jack> everything in ~/.local/share overrides whatever is in /usr/share
[03:22] <Andorin> I didn't put anything in /usr/share, I put it in ~/.themes
[03:22] <GI_Jack> look if you put it in /usr/share/themes it would work
[03:22] <GI_Jack> similarly so does ~/.local/share/themes
[03:22] <GI_Jack> do you understand that concept
[03:23] <Andorin> Also I moved the theme folder to ~/.local/share/themes and it's still not showing up
[03:23] <GI_Jack> log out and log back in
[03:23] <GI_Jack> there is no alt-f2 "r" like gnome
[03:23] <GI_Jack> trust me I just did this
[03:23] <Andorin> ok...
[03:23] <GI_Jack> also unity does respect theme's window decorations like gnome does
[03:23] <GI_Jack> I came here to ask about this issue myself
[03:24] <GI_Jack> which I have no clue why they did this
[03:24] <Andorin> ok, brb
[03:24] <GI_Jack> I think sometimes cannocial colaborates with apple
[03:25] <Andorin> Still not showing up.
[03:25] <Andorin> Okay, everyone else, what am I doing wrong?
[03:26] <trism> Andorin: are you using unity-tweak-tool?
[03:26] <Andorin> Yeah
[03:27] <Andorin> I'm also looking at the official theme selection menu in the wallpaper-changing window
[03:28] <Andorin> Here's the theme I'm trying to use http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/MediterraneanNight+Series?content=156782
[03:28] <Andorin> Well, theme collection, really, but they all go in one folder
[03:28] <caf4926> can someone try a LO presentation with the Vintage page. When you go to the presentation mode, do you loose some of the formatting of the Vintage look?
[03:29] <Andorin> I read somewhere that GTK 3.x themes will generally work with Unity, but I think somewhere else said that you want GTK 3.4+ themes for best results
[03:29] <trism> Andorin: well the Appearances menu has been hardcoded for many releases now, I doubt it changed in 14.04
[03:29] <Andorin> trism: So I could ask about it in #ubuntu?
[03:31] <trism> Andorin: hmm I am seeing all of those Mediterranean themes in unity-tweak-tool after unpacking them to ~/.themes
[03:32] <Andorin> Oh hang on a sec
[03:34] <Andorin> Okay I got it
[03:34] <Andorin> The problem was, I had ~/.themes/MediterraneanNight-2.03/(individual theme folders here)
[03:34] <Andorin> Moving the individual folders up to ~/.themes made them visible
[03:39] <trism> ahh that would do it
[05:17] <GI_Jack> Does anyone know how to change the window decorations on 14.04?
[05:50] <lordievader> Good morning.
[05:52] <yenic> Does anyone know the default version of Python in 14.04 LTS?
[05:52] <rww> !info python trusty
[05:53] <lordievader> !info python3 trusty
[05:54] <yenic> so it will have both?
[06:52] <hyde> is Beta1 going to be directly upgradeable to final release?
[06:53] <rww> ubottu: final
[06:53] <hyde> uhm, and is beta1 the latest beta, or did Google botch it up?
[06:53] <hyde> (the search I mean)
[06:54] <hyde> 27th of Feb, pretty old...
[06:54] <hyde> ah yeah, ../beta2 exists
[07:30] <satyakaki> hello
[07:34] <k1l> so if you are on ubuntu 12.04 you are in the wrong channel here for your cdma dongle issue
[07:38] <satyakaki> where can I get it
[09:25] <jonasrogert> Im trying out python 3.4 in ubuntu 14.04 and i found that pyvenv-3.4 cant install pip. it returns non-zero result. with without-pip parameter it works but i cant install pip after it. anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
[10:02] <kelogs> Hello, I did an update to .23 in Trusty, and I am stuck on .22....  which is fine for now, but I would like to get my updates.  I am using Xubuntu, the problem was, I updated, and changed my desktop resolution to a lower resolution, but I could not see anything on screen, and none of the shortcut keys changed terminal, or anything, I was forced to reboot, however that reboot, broke my update.... is there a way I can repair this, or will I have to refo
[10:02] <kelogs> rmat?
[10:05] <kelogs> Also now, anytime I install, or uninstall something, it throws up errors as a result of it.
[10:06] <kelogs> But what I do not get, is the uninstalls, and installs are still successful.... which Is strikingly odd for me.
[10:07] <kelogs> I mean, I boot fine into <IP_ADDRESS> but 23 is broken in that Kernal, because of the failed installing.
[10:07] <kelogs> or upgrading.
[10:08] <ikonia> could you please try to desribe better than "broke my computer"
[10:08] <ikonia> you're using a pre-release version of the operating system, I'd hope you can actually put across problems with some form of clarity
[10:09] <kelogs> lol, I did not say that, it just broke the upgrade.  The upgraded Kernal is not letting me into it, because it is not configured properly.
[10:09] <kelogs> Because when I restarted brute force.... it broke it
[10:09] <ikonia> what are you talking about ?? restarted brute force
[10:10] <kelogs> power reset button
[10:10] <ikonia> why did you power the machine off ?
[10:11] <kelogs> I changed desktop resolution to a lower resolution that I know my display can do, it is using it now a matter of fact.  And when I did that, the screen was black, I could not open tty1, 2 , 3 ect.... could not force crash or anything, had to shut down/restart with the power button.
[10:11] <ikonia> kelogs: ok, so what is the current status of the box when you boot it
[10:13] <kelogs> I boot fine into <IP_ADDRESS>  just when I install or uninstall anything, it throws up errors about <IP_ADDRESS> not configured popularly, however, the programs run fine, and appear at first to fail install or uninstall, but it works fine, boots fine.  I just want to either remove 23, or clean it up, and start over, or just plain fix it so I can be updated.
[10:14] <ikonia> kelogs: ok, so fix the broken package install then
[10:14] <kelogs> thats just it
[10:14] <ikonia> what's just it ?
[10:14] <kelogs> I tried using symantic package installer, and it wont re-install, or repair it.   What other ways can I fix this besides the obvious formatting?
[10:15] <ikonia> remove the broken package
[10:15] <ikonia> look at why it's not completing
[10:15] <kelogs> what about the dependancies?
[10:15] <ikonia> what about them ?
[10:15] <kelogs> they get uninstalled too
[10:15] <kelogs> breaks the desktop
[10:15] <ikonia> then you don't need them
[10:15] <ikonia> it breaks the desktop ??
[10:15] <kelogs> yes
[10:15] <kelogs> last time I tried this
[10:16] <ikonia> what package are you trying to remove ?
[10:16] <kelogs> I was left unbootable
[10:16] <kelogs> just going by past experiences is all
[10:16] <kelogs> the image
[10:16] <kelogs> kernal
[10:16] <ikonia> what is the exact name of the package you are trying to remove
[10:16] <kelogs> <IP_ADDRESS> has the same dependencies as <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:16] <ikonia> ok , bye
[10:16] <ikonia> I'm not interested
[10:16] <cojack> ;D
[10:17] <ikonia> you're answering questions I'm not asking, and ignoring questions I am asking and need the answers to
[10:17] <kelogs> would you like my log files?
[10:17] <ikonia> no
[10:17] <ikonia> I would have liked you to answer the questions I asked, but I'm no longer interested
[10:18] <cojack> I'm interested!
[10:18] <ikonia> over to you then,
[10:18] <cojack> so I will repeat the question that ikonia make
[10:18] <cojack> "what is the exact name of the package you are trying to remove" ?
[10:19] <kelogs> this is the error I get when trying to re-install it
[10:19] <kelogs> E: Internal Error, No file name for linux-image-3.13.0-23-generic:i386
[10:19] <kelogs> that is the package that failed
[10:20] <cojack> kelogs: can you write step by step what you're trying to do?
[10:20] <cojack> I'm litle confused
[10:23] <kelogs> I ran the updater after I installed a fresh install of Trusty Xubuntu 14.04 LTS, and when I tried to update, I could not see what was going on, as my screen went black when changing my desktop resolution.  None of the shortcut keys would bring me back or reboot, so in desperation I pressed the power button to restart.   Now, I am getting errors on install, and uninstall of packages, however the packages I installed or uninstall work fine, but it is ra
[10:23] <kelogs> ther annoying that it does this now.  I would like to update to the newest Kernel that it states I am supposed to be on.
[10:24] <cojack> kelogs: are you sure that update finish his work at all?
[10:24] <cojack> upgrade*
[10:24] <kelogs> well I am guessing it didn't, because I am still on the older Kernel
[10:24] <cojack> so why you don't just try it?
[10:25] <bekks> No updates pulls in a new kernel magically. ;)
[10:25] <cojack> true
[10:25] <kelogs> its on status 2
[10:25] <cojack> what?
[10:25] <kelogs> whats that mean?
[10:25] <kelogs> let me do a apt-get clean and autoremove and see what error throws up
[10:25] <bekks> kelogs: can you provide the entire info?
[10:26] <bekks> kelogs: And not just "status 2" without any context?
[10:26] <kelogs> lol
[10:27] <kelogs> cojack
[10:27] <cojack> autoremove can remove all of the desktop packages at all if some deps are broken
[10:27] <cojack> so be careful ;]
[10:27] <bekks> kelogs: How about stopping whatever you do there, and provide the information asked?
[10:27] <kelogs> cojack your probe, did something
[10:27]  * cojack did magic
[10:28] <bekks> kelogs: Can you read me?
[10:28] <kelogs> I can;t do anything now
[10:28] <kelogs> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:28] <bekks> Ok, then I'm going to ignore your case since you dont want help actually.
[10:28] <kelogs> no
[10:28] <kelogs> I do
[10:28] <kelogs> the POC
[10:28] <kelogs> locked me out
[10:28] <kelogs> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:29] <bekks> Whatever a POC is - I dont want to know.
[10:29] <kelogs> PC
[10:29] <cojack> kelogs: maybe some process is working on
[10:29] <kelogs> typos :)
[10:29] <cojack> or you're not root
[10:29] <kelogs> naw
[10:29] <kelogs> it was package manager
[10:29] <kelogs> sorry
[10:29] <cojack> screw package manager
[10:29] <cojack> open console
[10:29] <kelogs> dpkg: error processing package linux-image-3.13.0-23-generic (--configure):
[10:29] <kelogs>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[10:29] <kelogs> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:29] <kelogs>  linux-image-3.13.0-23-generic
[10:29] <kelogs> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:30] <bekks> !pastebin | kelogs
[10:30] <kelogs> thanks
[10:30] <kelogs> I will bookmark that
[10:30] <cojack> kelogs: u're newbie in linux?
[10:31] <bekks> kelogs: you should follow it, instead of bookmarking it.
[10:31] <kelogs> naw I am just a disabled guy, I started Linux use back in November, so partially new and wet behind the ears.
[10:31] <kelogs> no, I need it bookmarked, I tend to forget stuff
[10:32] <cojack> great, so conversation is ended, this is still in beta, if you don't know the basic, please don't use beta products and don't agonize ppl
[10:32] <kelogs> now, since the damage is done, what you think?
[10:33] <kelogs> no, I can use terminal
[10:33] <cojack> who can't
[10:33] <kelogs> install packages and uninstall through terminal, evne have added pp's before, even though dangerous
[10:33] <kelogs> ppa's*
[10:33] <kelogs> even have edited grub
[10:34] <cojack> for what?
[10:34] <kelogs> I just need to know what I need to do with the broken package?
[10:34] <kelogs> if I need to format, or is there a way to remove it safely without being stuck in terminal?
[10:35] <lordievader> Alpha/Beta's are targeted at people who know what they are doing. They expect breakage every once in a while and know how to fix it.
[10:35] <lordievader> kelogs: Usually fixing broken packages is not much more than "apt-get -f install".
[10:36] <bekks> kelogs: How about answering questions then without doing other stuff, without giving other other information?
[10:36] <bekks> kelogs: Which package is broken?
[10:37] <kelogs> I understand this, I did not come here to debate that, I came here for awnsers.  I would like to prevent formatting all the time when something breaks, I want to know proper ways to fix the package, rather than uninstalling and tearing this PC part by part, and re-assembling it manually.  Thats not what I want to do, I just want to know if it would be easier to format, then update, or  would it be safer to just uninstall that package, and try to re-in
[10:37] <kelogs> stall it?
[10:37] <bekks> I am giving up. You dont even read what people write to you. Good luck.
[10:38] <kelogs> I can not look while typing, give me a moment
[10:38] <kelogs> linux-image-3.13.0-23-generic
[10:38] <bekks> Dont hurry, I am not interested anymore.
[10:38] <kelogs> that package is broken
[10:40] <cojack> I will give you a good advice kelogs, install ubuntu 13.10 and wait for upgrade
[10:41] <cojack> btw grub still override user config
[10:41] <cojack> give me a sec, i will provide info
[10:42] <kelogs> better yet, what is a more stable environment, I get all kinda of problems with 12.04, 13.10  inbetween, I have formatted, re-installed, manual installed, installed nvidia drivers, jumped many hoops to get where I am at now,  I was suggested this version, or I would not of Gotten it, the other thing is NetBootin is missing 12.04 and 13.10 from the list, which forces me to go download the iso.
[10:43] <lordievader> Define "all kinds of problems"
[10:44] <kelogs> Well, it first started with my sound pulseaudio, it had robotic, stuttering issues with VOIP applications such as Skype, and other programs.  That was fine for awhile, but I kept wanting to fix it.
[10:44] <bekks> Skype has entirely nothing to do with VoIP.
[10:45] <kelogs> then, there was issues with Nvidia drivers as well...  I decided to upgrade to 331 which was recommended to me, when I switched to 319 updates.
[10:45] <kelogs> that screwed up my graphics card, causing black outs
[10:45] <kelogs> on the desktop
[10:45] <kelogs> and no, it was not over heating
[10:45] <cojack> oh here we are grub config os-prober override timetout_style overtime even if you configure it in /etc/default/grub to don't show
[10:46] <kelogs> I mean, anything VOIP related has voice issues, all other sounds sounded fine, like movies, and music
[10:47] <bekks> Skype has nothing to do with VoIP. It is not related, it isnt even similar to VoIP.
[10:47] <kelogs> well I do not know, I assumed it was VOIP, since it allows you to talk over the internet
[10:48] <kelogs> the point is, mic, and speaker sounds from calls and talking are the only things I had issues with pulse... everything else, the sounds was fine
[10:49] <kelogs> and I know it was not interent connection, because I tested it several times, and it was rock solid
[10:49] <lordievader> I have seen more people with that problem, I suppose there are a few fixes afloat on the internet.
[10:50] <kelogs> the problem is pulse... everyone I talked to use alsa, but I tried that too... and later found out pulse uses alsa anyways.... so that confused me
[10:51] <bekks> The problem is you are mixing up different issues and try to solve them with using a beta release. Just my two cents.
[10:51] <kelogs> eh, I had the problems on 12.04 LTS actually before all this
[10:52] <bekks> Read again what I wrote.
[10:52] <Evilsparza> hey guys, do you know how to install mate on 14.04? I've read that it has been added to the official repositories. I installed the "mate-desktop" package, but it didn't change anyhthing, still on unity
[10:53] <kelogs> well I did not know it was beta, until later, no one told me it was beta until I found out here, and from some people.  I wondered why this was not available on the website as iso.
[10:54] <cojack> can some one remind me from where files in /etc/grub.d/ are created?
[10:54] <ikonia> they are not dynamic
[10:54] <kelogs> but that still does not help me with UNetBootin not having 12.04 or later iso's available
[10:54] <bekks> kelogs: The website clearly states that the latest stable version is 13.10 - so any other version cannot be stable.
[10:54] <ikonia> thaey are static
[10:54] <ikonia> they
[10:55] <kelogs> so there is no way of using UNetBootin?
[10:55] <kelogs> I have to go get the iso everytime?
[10:55] <cojack> ikonia: thx
[10:55] <Ben64> well, you do need the iso for anything you want to use with unetbootin
[10:55] <cojack> ikonia: but they're not generated from grub?
[10:56] <ikonia> cojack: no, they are used to generate the grub config file
[10:56] <kelogs> UNetBootin allows you to select them from repository, but it wont let me choose anything past 11
[10:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:56] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[10:56] <kelogs> I wanted a more secure download of the iso
[10:57] <Ben64> kelogs: you can download the iso from many places
[10:57] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader
[10:57] <kelogs> because the last iso I got, was corrupted
[10:57] <Ben64> !md5 | kelogs
[10:58] <kelogs> thank you, I will just step back from this LTS until I figure out things or until it is official
[10:59] <lordievader> !release
[10:59] <kelogs> oh
[10:59] <lordievader> Hmm wasn't really wat I wanted. Release estimate: April 17th as read from the topic, kelogs
[11:00] <kelogs> can anyone verify for me that 3.11 kernel of Ubuntu is indeed 13.10?
[11:00] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic saucy
[11:01] <lordievader> kelogs: ^
[11:01] <kelogs> ah ok, thanks :)
[11:01] <kelogs> not to go off topic of this room, what is the most stable of the ubuntus for a 4-5 year old system?
[11:02] <lordievader> Probably Precise (12.04LTS).
[11:03] <kelogs> ok will 14.04 be able to be used on those older systems?  or is that a trivial question?
[11:03] <BluesKaj> 13.`0 is running fine here on my 6yr old desktop
[11:03] <kelogs> or that one of those, we hope things?
[11:04] <BluesKaj> err 13.10
[11:04] <kelogs> ok, is there a channel in here for help with buggy DSDT's? :o
[11:05] <kelogs> or could that bug of my DSDT be because I am on 14.04?
[11:05] <kelogs> well nevermind, it was bugged on 12.04 LTS as well
[11:12] <kelogs> quick question, I am imagine y'all getting tired of me.  But is the DSDT really that important if it has some bugs, but no critical bugs?  Should I be concerned if I see 96 errors?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> kelogs, despite the errors, why not tell us more about your HW , some have experience with 14.04 HW problems
[11:19] <BluesKaj> too late
[11:35] <slyder> hi
[11:35] <slyder> i want upgrade to 14.04 by terminal
[11:35] <slyder> it's possible?
[11:42] <BluesKaj> slyder, which version do run now?
[11:42] <BluesKaj> you
[11:42] <slyder> 13.10
[11:44] <BluesKaj> slyder, update and upgrade first, then run sudo do-release-upgrade -d to upgrade to 14.04 in the terminal
[11:46] <bekks> slyder: backup your data, then reinstall. As has been told to you in #ubuntu already
[11:47] <slyder> bekks, i'm expert user
[11:47] <slyder> but
[11:47] <slyder> if no progress is successful
[11:47] <slyder> can i recovery my data by distro live?
[11:47] <bekks> Expert users have backups, you dont.
[11:48] <bekks> Buy a harddisk to backup your data.
[11:48] <slyder> i don't have money
[11:48] <slyder> and i have too mugh gigabyte
[11:48] <bekks> Then your data is disposable.
[11:48] <slyder> my ask it's another
[11:49] <slyder> if i start upgrade to 14.04
[11:49] <bekks> The answer is the same. Backup your data, then reinstall.
[11:49] <bekks> Dont start this discussion here again, as you are currently dicussing it in #ubuntu already, please.
[11:49] <slyder> and no progress is successful
[11:50] <slyder> can i recovery my data by liveCD?
[11:50] <slyder> can i read my hard disk?
[11:50] <bekks> Sure.
[11:50] <slyder> ok
[11:50] <slyder> this it's all! :D
[11:51] <slyder> thank you very much ;-)
[12:15] <optrusty> Is there a place to download dragon eyes
[12:35] <fela> how unstable is the current beta? is it compatible with nVidia drivers? Should i update now or wait?
[12:36] <bekks> If you have those question, then the answer is a clear "Wait for the release."
[12:36] <fela> Ok, thanks.
[12:38] <DJones> fela: I can only speak for myself, as bekks said, if you're not sure, wait.  Personally I've found it pretty bomb proof on a dual graphics laptop (intel/nvidia), install went cleanly & hardly any issues since
[12:39] <dawnk> I've encountered a problem when I tried the scaling in Settings > Display > Scale for Menu and title bar
[12:39] <dawnk> when I set the value to 0.75, the scales work fine
[12:39] <dawnk> except when I right click any option on the unity sidebar
[12:39] <dawnk> the scales are not aligned properly
[12:40] <dawnk> can anyone try to replicate this?
[12:41] <dawnk> For instance, if I try rightclicking the firefox icon, the options such as "Open a New Window", "Open a New tab" etc are not aligned properly
[12:42] <dawnk> or less
[12:42] <fela> ok i understand
[12:43] <fela> does it work on default scale? for instance, scale "1"
[12:43] <fela> is it properly aligned then?
[12:47] <dawnk_> fela: it works fine in scale 1.
[12:47] <dawnk_> fela: only when I choose a scale below 1, the aligned gets messed up.
[12:49] <dawnk_> I want to know if it is replicable.
[13:39] <rmarcandier> Hello, I have a dell xps ubuntu (sputnik project) model 9333 - Where can I find the original image? I found this site but it doesn't work for 9333.. -> http://odm.ubuntu.com/uds-q/dellxps/ - Could you help me please?
[13:43] <brendand_> rmarcandier, i don't think it's obtainable
[13:53] <bekks> rmarcandier: Did you look at the dell website?
[13:54] <ikonia> how does this fit into #ubuntu+1 14.04 discussion ?
[16:09] <yenic> ! trust python
[16:09] <yenic> ! trusty python
[16:10] <yenic> ! python
[16:10] <yenic> !trusty python
[16:10] <yenic> ! python3
[16:10] <yenic> ! trusty-python
[16:11] <yenic> How do I lookup information on 14.04? I thought the command was ! trusty python3 for packages?
[16:16] <Pici> /msg ubottu !info python trusty
[16:34] <Pici> is wubi being included on the 14.04 install images?
[16:53] <yenic> Pici thanks
[17:45] <tsimpson> Pici: http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/ubuntu-14.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.list shows /wubi.exe
[17:45] <Pici> :(
[17:45] <lordievader> :(
[17:55] <GeertJohan> lol.. just tried to upgrade to 14.04, failed hard.
[17:55] <lordievader> GeertJohan: Failed hard how?
[17:56] <GeertJohan> It failed with errors, but couldn't see what errors
[17:56] <lordievader> Hmm, that is too bad.
[17:56] <GeertJohan> rebooted, missing lots of bins.. myspell-en-au won't remove.
[17:56] <GeertJohan> therefore cant install new stuff
[17:56] <bekks> GeertJohan: So you updated from 13.04 to 13.10 then, before?
[17:56] <GeertJohan> yes
[17:56] <GeertJohan> bekks ^
[17:57] <bekks> GeertJohan: And do you have any specific, full, error messages what "failing hard" means?
[17:57] <GeertJohan> 13.10 was doing fine, only wpa failed to auth to router, but figured I wasn't going to debug that unless it's still the case with 14.04
[17:57] <GeertJohan> bekks: it just stopped somewhere in the middle of the do-release-upgrade process
[17:57] <bekks> GeertJohan: And how long did you wait to let it finish?
[17:57] <GeertJohan> it stopped
[17:58] <GeertJohan> it's not that I got kicked away from the screen or something..
[17:58] <bekks> Without any messages, at all?
[17:58] <GeertJohan> it only said that it had errors.. but I couldn't scroll up anymore to see them..
[17:58] <GeertJohan> probably the removal of myspell-en-au, since that's being a problem now
[17:58] <bekks> So what happens when you try to remove it?
[17:59] <GeertJohan> Removing myspell-en-au (2.1-5.4) ...
[17:59] <GeertJohan> Error: update-dictcommon-hunspell not present or executable. Missing dependency on dictionaries-common?
[17:59] <GeertJohan> dpkg: error processing package myspell-en-au (--remove):
[17:59] <bekks> GeertJohan: Thats output of some command - which command?
[18:00] <GeertJohan> sudo aptitude -f install
[18:00] <GeertJohan> its part of the output
[18:00] <GeertJohan> sec, will paste full
[18:00] <bekks> Thats what I initially asked for.
[18:00] <GeertJohan> http://pastebin.com/q52ivia6
[18:00] <GeertJohan> sorry
[18:00] <GeertJohan> there
[18:01] <GeertJohan> every time it gets a little further with the other packages, but doesnt continue because of removal error
[18:01] <GeertJohan> I figure re-running `aptitude -f install` again and again isn't going to make things prettier..
[18:01] <bekks> Try installing "dictionaries-common"
[18:01] <GeertJohan> k
[18:02] <GeertJohan> looks like that fixed the package: http://pastebin.com/HTxZi2KZ
[18:02] <GeertJohan> now? -f install again ?
[18:02] <bekks> Yes.
[18:03] <GeertJohan> ok, that finished successfully
[18:03] <GeertJohan> I guess I should run dist-upgrade to continue the upgrade process?
[18:03] <GeertJohan> I'm still missing lots of binaries..
[18:03] <GeertJohan> or well.. I don't know if it's lots.. but I'm noticing that some are missing..
[18:04] <GeertJohan> e.g. git
[18:04] <GeertJohan> hm
[18:04] <GeertJohan> 1260 packages upgraded, 358 newly installed, 50 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:04] <GeertJohan> Need to get 943 kB/918 MB of archives. After unpacking 654 MB will be used.
[18:05] <GeertJohan> is what dist-upgrade sais
[18:05] <bekks> So run that.
[18:05] <GeertJohan> ok
[18:06] <GeertJohan> ok this might take a while I guess.. thanks so far bekks! :D
[18:06] <peloverde> How do I disable the global menu in libreoffice in trusty?
[18:34] <majod> is amd/ati catalyst driver available on trusty from "additional drivers"?
[18:35] <rohan> anyone here using kubuntu kde on an intel card? the opengl desktop effects are still broken and I was wondering if people are aware of the problem
[18:45] <Evilsparza> hello. do you know if mate will be supported in ubuntu 14.04? There are only repos for saucy yet http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download#ubuntu
[18:50] <Beldar> Evilsparza, supposed to be.
[19:14] <BluesKaj> have you guys noticed the spdif passthru doesn't pass dolby digtal or dts signals, only pcm digital; stereo gets thru on kubuntu trusty...was working until 2 days ago
[19:15] <BluesKaj> something change in puldeaudio
[19:15] <BluesKaj> ?
[19:24] <trism> BluesKaj: there was a pulseaudio update on April 4th, so I suppose that could be it
[19:27] <BluesKaj> trism, yes I'n researching atm, I may have found the problem
[19:42] <xenolyse> Hi guys. I've just recently updated to 14.04 beta and i wonder what nvidia driver version i should use? I got a 670 if that matters.
[19:44] <nyl> hi i've installed cinnamon  on 14.04 and now Unity gives me this
[19:44] <nyl> http://i.imgur.com/l4qKMkI.jpg
[19:45] <bekks> !info cinnamon
[19:45] <bekks> nyl: Well, then uninstall cinnamon first :)
[19:45] <nyl> !info cinnamon-desktop
[19:45] <nyl> o.O
[19:46] <nyl> does unity use nautilus
[19:47] <k1l_> nyl: yes
[19:48] <k1l_> nyl: cinnamon got removed. so you are doing stuff on your own anyway
[19:48] <nyl> cinnamon uses it's own modified version of nautilus
[19:48] <k1l_> there you go
[19:48] <k1l_> cinnamon got removed from debian and ubuntu anyway.
[19:52] <roasted> hello friends
[19:52] <roasted> potentially dumb question - does anybody else feel as though the white dots under the running applications in the unity bar is exponentially smaller than before?
[19:52] <roasted> I feel like I can hardly tell if there are 2 dots to signify two running instances.
[19:58] <trism> roasted: they look the same size as a 13.10 system here, screenshot?
[20:00] <roasted> trism: http://s16.postimg.org/kj3wsq4ud/unitydots.png
[20:01] <roasted> trism: I don't know if it's just me or not.  I never thought this in prior releases so I just suspected they were changed.
[20:01] <roasted> trism: likewise, when an icon needs attention, it doesn't look that different from when it doesn't need attention, so at first glance it doesn't look obvious as to whether or not I need to click on it to see the new message/IRC ping/etc
[20:06] <trism> roasted: oh I think I see the issue now, in 13.10 when you used a smaller icon size it looks like they kept the size of the dots constant
[20:06] <trism> roasted: in 14.04 it seems to be scaling the dots too
[20:07] <roasted> is there a way for them to not scale
[20:07] <trism> roasted: with the default size of 48px they are the same size in both versions but when I shrink mine to 32px I can see a noticable difference between the two
[20:07] <roasted> their current size makes them (hate to sound abrasive)... useless
[20:08] <BluesKaj> trism, yup , had ti use the pulseaudio output in VLC rather than alsa output.
[20:08] <roasted> trism: do you know if they have an official name?
[20:08] <roasted> I don't know what to search for aside from "white dots on unity bar"
[20:11] <roasted> and of course when I google for white dots all I get are things related to the login screen with the white dot grid
[20:12] <trism> roasted: I would call the pips, as say, bug 1283775
[20:13] <roasted> trism: ah okay. that helps. I'll keep digging around.
[20:14] <roasted> man, searching for pips is just as useless
[20:20] <roasted> found a bug on launchpad - 1297588 - but it says fix released for 7.2.0. I'm on 7.2.0+14.04.20140404-0ubuntu1
[20:20] <roasted> er..
[20:23] <trism> roasted: ha I just found that bug too...but it's the opposite of what you're thinking, it is the bug that added the pip scaling
[20:23] <roasted> maybe I need to file a new one.
[20:24] <roasted> I rely on those little jiblets so much.
[20:24] <roasted> 14.04's jiblets are :(
[20:25] <trism> roasted: yeah you should probably file one mentioning bug 1297588 and how they are too small now when using 32px or so, maybe with some screenshots
[20:26] <trism> roasted: alternatively if you increase the icon size to 48 they are the same size as in 13.10
[20:26] <roasted> trism: I'll wait to get home to do it. My wife's laptop is on 13.10 so that'll give me some comparable screenshots.
[20:26] <roasted> leaving in 5 minutes anyway
[20:26] <trism> roasted: that's a good idea as well
[20:27] <roasted> I can't imagine I'm the first to notice this.
[20:27] <roasted> Everybody I talked to hasn't understood what I meant, or even seen a difference. You were the first to acknowledge it, trism.
[20:28] <trism> roasted: since they hide the launcher size option in ccsm now, I'm sure most won't notice it since it doesn't affect the default size as far as I can see (which is why I didn't notice at first either)
[20:28] <roasted> what is the default icon size?
[20:28] <trism> roasted: 48
[20:28] <roasted> ah
[20:28] <roasted> 48 is freakin huge...
[20:28] <GeertJohan> bekks: FYI I got most things fixed.. still some packages missing, looks like it forgot to upgrade those.. but nothing essential..
[20:29] <roasted> given how many people w anted the option to downsize the icons, I'm still surprised that it went unnoticed.
[20:29] <bekks> GeertJohan: great :)
[20:29] <GeertJohan> bekks: thanks again! :D
[20:59] <trinode> in the last few days something has borked wifi in the updates, basically authentication fails, I've made it work by deleting and recreating my wifi settings, but then after a few minutes it drops and can;t auth again
[20:59] <trinode> any ideas where to start?
[21:44] <gabr13l> greetings all I have a few questions... can I get the new gnome ubuntu icon theme installed in the ubuntu daily distro?
[21:56] <bekks> "No." :P
[21:58] <johnjohn101> any word on what 14.10 will be called?
[21:59] <k1l_> johnjohn101: expect that some time after the release of 14.04
[21:59] <johnjohn101> i have no patience :(
[22:00] <johnjohn101> 14.04 is looking good for me now. thanks. 10 more days
[22:14] <roasted> trism: posted bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1304073
[22:15] <roasted> hey johnjohn101. Check that bug report. It's what I was referencing when you and I were discussing it earlier in the other channel. Feel free to +1 it if you notice the same thing on your 14.04 box.
[22:16] <roasted> gotta jet - wife sending me to grocery store. :P
[22:26] <Crashbit> caught and serves a Château Guiraud
[22:28] <basketball> hey when i ran apt-get update i did not get any errors but then i got a pop up message that said http://paste.ubuntu.com/7219161/
[22:29] <trism> basketball: that happens sometimes
[22:30] <trism> basketball: I usually do a: sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-installer; if it happens but it is supposed to fix itself eventually
[22:36] <basketball> how do i install a deb file from terminal
[22:36] <bekks> basketball: Which deb in particular?
[22:36] <basketball> it is named chrome.deb
[22:38] <bekks> sudo dpkg -i nameofyour.deb
[22:41] <basketball> thanks bekks
[22:41] <basketball> and trism
[22:45] <atpa8a> hello
[22:46] <atpa8a> just found that 14.04 doesn't have the u+s for /bin/ping... is that a bug or "by design"?
[22:47] <dw1> thats weird, I was just using the comp, browsing around and it jumped to lock screen
[22:47] <jtaylor_> atpa8a: why would ping need that?
[22:48] <atpa8a> jtaylor_: getting "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted"
[22:48] <atpa8a> have to do sudo ping
[22:49] <trism> atpa8a: it is suid here on a fairly clean install
[22:49] <atpa8a> hmm
[22:50] <atpa8a> trism: brand new install here
[22:50] <atpa8a> ubuntu-server too
[22:50] <jtaylor_> not suid here, and it works
[22:50] <atpa8a> hmm
[22:51] <atpa8a> interesting :)
[22:51] <atpa8a> jtaylor_: and you can ping as any user?
[22:52] <trism> atpa8a: I see bug 1302192
[22:52] <jtaylor_> I currently only have one user, but I don't need sudo
[22:53] <jtaylor_> ah it has network capabilities
[22:53] <jtaylor_>  /bin/ping = cap_net_raw+p
[22:54] <atpa8a> hmm
[22:54] <atpa8a> i don't have that cap...
[22:56] <atpa8a> so... is it better to set a cap or +s?..
[22:57] <jtaylor> cap should be better
[22:57] <jtaylor> +s is all caps
[22:57] <atpa8a> works now
[22:58] <atpa8a> thanks!
[23:07] <dw1> getting lock screen even in the middle of typing. weird.
[23:07] <atpa8a> another funny situation... can't ping the gateway from that box... can ping the box from the gateway, can ping the gateway from other boxes, but not from this 14.04...
[23:07] <atpa8a> can ssh into the gateway too
[23:07] <atpa8a> hmm
[23:07] <atpa8a> no... now it's fixed...
[23:08] <atpa8a> i wonder if there're other effects...
[23:08] <atpa8a> or other capabilities to set
[23:09] <basketball> so i have a broad com chip and to get my wifi working i have to run sudo apt-get install bcm-453-installer is there a way to do this automatically while the os is installing from the live cd
[23:09] <bekks> basketball: No.
[23:10] <atpa8a> basketball: only if.... what's it called? bcm-kernel or something... works with your hardware
[23:12] <atpa8a> j,,
[23:12] <atpa8a> hmm
[23:12] <atpa8a> again can't ping the gateway (after upgrade)...
[23:14] <basketball> atpa8a,  to get wifi working i run sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer and sudo apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source   then i reboot and it works
[23:15] <atpa8a> yeah... then you're out of luck, sorry
[23:16] <dw1> why a i getting lock screen / inactivity timeout even when using computer
[23:17] <dw1> hmm


[00:35] <Unit193> Is there some way to basically have cat monitor a file then show when more has been appended?
[00:36] <Unit193> (or nano, less, more, etc)
[00:38] <canthus13> tail
[00:45] <Unit193> logtail?
[00:47] <canthus13> just tail
[00:47] <canthus13> man tail
[00:49] <canthus13> tail -f, I think.
[00:49] <Unit193> That did it! yep tail -f
[00:51] <Unit193> Now if only I can get it to notify screen...
[00:53] <canthus13> Might be able to pipe it to notifications.. Not sure how it would notify within screen.  I'd just keep it running in a separate screen window.
[00:54] <Unit193> I'm running it in a screen window, I'm just looking for the "Bell in window 6"
[01:41] <canthus13> Unit193: check 10.6  http://sunsite.ualberta.ca/Documentation/Gnu/screen-3.9.4/html_chapter/screen_10.html
[01:46] <dmcglone> Hiya everyone
[01:47] <Cheri703> yo
[01:47] <dmcglone> working hard?
[01:48]  * Cheri703 is working no longer :D
[01:48] <dmcglone> ouch did I ask the wrong question?
[01:49] <Cheri703> nope
[01:49] <Cheri703> I turned in the truck today
[01:49] <dmcglone> sounds like you are happy with your decision
[01:49] <Cheri703> yep, I'm good with it
[01:49] <dmcglone> thats good
[01:51] <Unit193> late hello dmcglone?
[01:51] <dmcglone> Hello Unit193
[01:52] <dmcglone> I'm watching the game and hangin out :-)
[01:52] <Unit193> "the game"?
[01:53] <dmcglone> bluejackets :-)
[01:53] <paultag> Unit193: fuckkkkkkkkkk
[01:54] <dmcglone> what?
[01:54] <Unit193> paultag: what did I do??
[01:54] <paultag> 01:52 < Unit193> "the game"?
[01:54] <paultag> canthus13: ^
[01:55] <paultag> jacob: ^
[01:55] <dmcglone> we were talking about the bluejackets game
[02:12]  * canthus13 pokespain teh eye.
[02:13] <canthus13> ....
[02:13]  * canthus13 pokes paultag in teh eye.
[02:13] <paultag> fuck yea.
[02:22] <dmcglone> I'm out. Gonna lay down and relax :-)
[02:24] <BiosElement> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110118/12431012712/companies-who-support-censoring-internet.shtml
[02:30] <BiosElement> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110118/10194712709/customs-boss-defends-internet-censorship-says-more-is-way.shtml
[02:31] <BiosElement> ^Two really important articles for anyone who actually cares about internet freedom
[02:42] <canthus13> BiosElement: The Comcast/NBC merger that was approved today is way bigger than either of those.
[02:43] <BiosElement> canthus13: Eh not from what I've seen
[02:45] <canthus13> BiosElement: Ok. Think of it this way. Comcast now controls a large amount of desirable content. They can't suddenly shut off access to NBC properties to everyone but comcast customers, but they can start shifting the prime stuff to comcast-only over a period of a few years...
[02:45] <canthus13> Comcast is focused hard on controlling media. period.
[02:46] <BiosElement> NBC is desirable? OoooK then
[02:46] <canthus13> BiosElement: NBC owns a lot of content.
[02:46] <BiosElement> I can't think of a single TV-news-anything that is worth a damn
[02:47] <canthus13> BiosElement: *shrug* You're not most media consumers, either.
[02:47] <BiosElement> True, I look for real articles, not 'omg wth' attention getting headlines.
[02:47] <canthus13> Heh
[02:47] <BiosElement> Which is why I ignore Ars Technica now too which is a shame, they used to be good
[02:47] <canthus13> we're fast approaching a single source of content.
[02:48] <BiosElement> Eh that's so overhyped.
[02:48] <canthus13> you have ABC/Disney/ESPN, Comcast/NBC/Viacom (I think comcast got viacom a while back, didn't they), MTV, and a few other small providers.
[02:48] <canthus13> 15 years ago, there were dozens.
[02:49] <BiosElement> I say as someone who doesn't watch cable. >.>
[02:49] <BiosElement> Who cares, it's changing times
[02:49] <BiosElement> The real 'channels' are now billions of websites.
[02:49] <canthus13> Not if comcast has their way.
[02:49] <BiosElement> That's the only battle we need to fight in the end
[02:49] <BiosElement> Cable is dying, I don't give a damn.  AT&T is working on the same.
[02:49] <canthus13> Cable isn't, though. it's just changing.
[02:49] <BiosElement> Now you're just hyping it.
[02:49] <BiosElement> >.>
[02:50] <BiosElement> Comcast tried that
[02:50] <canthus13> Nope. I'm right in the middle of it.
[02:50] <BiosElement> They got screwed over
[02:50] <canthus13> It's not stopping them.
[02:50] <canthus13> they just need to consolidate a little more power.
[02:50] <canthus13> Hence the NBC merger.
[02:51] <canthus13> Hopefully the FTC doesn't approve any more mergers of that scale.. Like say.. Comcast/Disney.
[02:51] <BiosElement> You're not going to convince me on that, I really don't care what cable does. The internet is the future and we're seeing the battle lines drawn as such.
[02:52] <canthus13> Cable isn't just cable anymore.  Comcast owns a huge amount of critical trunk lines in the US.
[02:52] <canthus13> TWC is working on the same.
[02:52] <BiosElement> Exactly
[02:52] <BiosElement> It's kinda pathetic when China is more progressive then the US and UK combined
[02:53] <canthus13> Comcast (And other cable companies) aren't focused so much on TV except as a means to an end.  There's not much profit cable TV anymore. It's a value-added service for internet and phone service.
[02:54] <canthus13> and phone service (land lines) is fast going the way of the dodo, at least as far as residential service is concerned.
[02:55] <BiosElement> Yep
[04:01] <Unit193> Talking about Calvin and Hobbes "I don't actually read that one but I've heard good things."
  Moon skeptics are idiots. :)
[16:44] <deejoe> canthus13: then you'll not have noticed that it's a parody
[16:44] <canthus13> deejoe: Prolly not. :)
[16:44]  * canthus13 goes and watches the clip of buzz aldrin punching the skeptic for kicks.
[16:53] <canthus13> deejoe: Ok. it was cute. :)
[16:57] <deejoe> buzz, haha
[21:16] <jd3nz> uname -a
[22:08] <canthus13> jd3nz: Linux Gune 2.6.31-22-generic #70-Ubuntu SMP Wed Dec 1 23:51:13 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:11] <Unit193> Linux Zeta 2.6.35-23-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Wed Nov 24 10:18:49 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:12] <Cheri703> ?
[22:12] <Unit193> Cheri703: Type uname -a in terminal
[22:12] <canthus13> Cheri703: what jd3nz said.
[22:12] <Cheri703> why?
[22:12] <canthus13> I dunno.
[22:12] <canthus13> I just figured I'd respond. :)
[22:13] <Cheri703> kk
[22:13] <canthus13> It's that smartass in me.
[22:15] <Unit193> Monkey see, monkey do type thing for me...
[22:16] <canthus13> Heh.


[02:11] <DirtyEar> Hi. I am looking for some advice or tip to buy a computer in order to work with music in UbuntuStudio.
[02:12] <DirtyEar> I have seen Intel and AMD but I am not shure what will be better. If somebody has any idea, thanks to share it with me.
[02:13] <Eickmeyer> !polls
[02:14] <Eickmeyer> Oh, sorry. Wrong window.
[02:18] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: Any advice to buy a computer to work with UbuntuStudio in order to produce music?
[02:20] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: As this is a support channel (and that's not a support question), questions of that sort aren't allowed. You're welcome to ask such questions in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntustudio-offtopic. There are also plenty of forums. Look at https://linuxmusicians.com or https://linuxaudio.org as well.
[02:20] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: There's no easy answer to that question, it's too broad.
[02:21] <Eickmeyer> You'll just have to do the research for yourself.
[02:21] <DirtyEar> Excuse me. I will write in that channel. Thanks
[02:21] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Don't be surprised if you don't get an answer.
[02:22] <DirtyEar> Ok. I just see a lot of things and I am very confused about it. Thanks for the links you share.
[11:18] <studiobot> bfzoli was added by: bfzoli
[11:47] <cfry> hey there, I just made a fresh install of ubuntu studio 19.10 and tried to fire up OBS studio. It says "Failed to initialize video.  Your GPU may not be supported, or your graphics drivers may need to be updated." I installed Mint before, and obs seemed to work there. Can anyone please tell me how to proceed? I am quite noob on Linux.
[11:48] <cfry> ...or maybe this channel is not used like this, for support? Please let me know.
[11:54] <tomreyn> cfry: i know next to nothing about OBS, but a little bit about ubuntu in general. this (you can run this in a terminal) let's you check which graphics card you have:    lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:54] <tomreyn> it will post a few lines to termbin.com for sharing it
[12:00] <cfry> alright, thanks
[12:00] <cfry> https://termbin.com/x3o2
[12:01] <tomreyn> cfry: does this computer have a dedicated graphics card / chipset?
[12:03] <cfry> no I do not think so, it is an dinosaur that I got for free... intel core 2 duo, 2 gb ram, a hp compaq thing
[12:04] <cfry> I did these two steps:
[12:04] <cfry> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/graphics/updatelinux.html
[12:04] <tomreyn> doh, that's old, might not be the best video editing platform
[12:04] <cfry> and then I googled up this:
[12:04] <cfry> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1065852/how-to-upgrade-intel-graphics-driver
[12:05] <tomreyn> you dont need to (cannot) upgrade the graphics driver.
[12:05] <cfry> ah, thanks
[12:05] <tomreyn> i'm just looking at https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/failed-to-initialize-video-your-gpu-may-not-be-supported-or-your-graphics-drivers-may-need-to-be-updated.86284/
[12:06] <tomreyn> cfry: coment 7 at https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/failed-to-initialize-video-your-gpu-may-not-be-supported-or-your-graphics-drivers-may-need-to-be-updated.86284/#post-357686 ...
[12:06] <tomreyn> ... seems like what may have happened
[12:06] <tomreyn> make sure you find and use their PPA rather than using the "snap"
[12:07] <tomreyn> if, on a terminal "snap list" lists OBS, you'll want to "snap remove " it
[12:11] <cfry> great, I am not sure what PPA exactly is. Should I unistall OBS and download install from their website?
[12:11] <cfry> terminal says no snaps installed
[12:11] <tomreyn> hmm then it's not this issue
[12:12] <tomreyn> how did you install obsstudio?
[12:12] <tomreyn> it seems it's available in ubuntu, maybe it's even preinstalled on ubuntustudio
[12:13] <tomreyn> i'm just an ubuntu user, don't really know ubuntustudio well
[12:13] <tomreyn> !PPA | cfry
[12:14] <tomreyn> so i guess what you can try is to either install their PPA as discussed at the https://obsproject.com/wiki/install-instructions#linux has installation instructions for ubuntu
[12:15] <tomreyn> or, if you're already using this now, you can remove this PPA and instead use the ubuntustudio version of obs-studio
[12:15] <tomreyn> i got to leave for now, good luck!
[12:17] <cfry> thanks, its a fresh its alright if it doesnt work out :)
[15:06] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: Thanks for handling that one. You kinda hit the nail on the head: even OBS Studio isn't guaranteed to work with all hardware.
[18:37] <tomreyn> Eickmeyer: :) it did not seem like the perfect video editing hardware.
[18:39] <tomreyn> Hmm, actually https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio/wiki/System-Requirements looks like it could at least start with an intel, though
[18:52] <wonko> Yeah, looks like it *should* work. Even if poorly.
[19:09] <tomreyn> i'm not sure whether intel gpu's still pretend to do OpenGL >= 3.2, this dropped a while ago (to 3.1?), i think.
[19:17] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/850900/why-is-my-opengl-version-stuck-at-3-0-despite-new-hardware-software
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: To be clear, OBS isn't for video editing, it's for recording and streaming.
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> But, yes, it requires some beefy hardware to be any good.
[19:28] <wonko> One of these days I may even get around to actually using it. :)
[19:29] <wonko> I launched it once or twice, so that's something.
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> wonko: I use it for livestreaming to Mixer.
[19:30] <wonko> I was going to try to do some youtube stuff, but that's been added to the list of "maybe one day i'll have free time"
[19:31] <OvenWerks> it seemed to work ok on my older (these days) i5 with intel onboard GPU
[19:51] <tomreyn> Eickmeyer: oops, thanks for telling me, you can tell i never used OBS.
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: No worries. :)
[19:52] <tomreyn> OvenWerks: so it can work on older intels, nice.
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> It works on my Intel i5 just fine, but I'd be leery of using it on anything older, tomreyn.
[19:53] <Eickmeyer> (a repurposed 2011 MacBook Pro)
[19:55] <tomreyn> i wouldn't recommend any GPUs for actual video work, though i guess with current ones it could actually work somewhat satisfactory
[19:58] <MusicoGeek> Greets from Venezuela...
[19:59] <OvenWerks> OBS streaming is not really what I would think of as "video work" And I will note that I have pretty low res monitors (what OBS is based on) so that may make a difference as well
[19:59] <MusicoGeek> Happy with the new announcement, preparing for a Dual Boot w/W10 (just for precise work).
[20:00] <OvenWerks> Video streaming is generally a lower res solution anyway than rendering a video off line.
[20:01] <OvenWerks> MusicoGeek: enjoy. While I dual boot, it is linux, linux and linux. I have no windows experience to give
[20:02] <MusicoGeek> Thanks, I've been using dualboot a while, just decided to migrate my studio to UbuntuStudio, but you know, while we get the AATranslator, been in this transition a while.
[20:21] <wonko> OvenWerks: When you put OBS in streaming mode does that reduce the resolution or crank up the compression?
[20:21] <wonko> The little big I used it was for saving videos for later and I get the feeling it doesn't compress heavily doing that
[20:21] <wonko> s/big/bit/
[20:21] <wonko> but that probably wouldn't be great for streaming
[20:26] <OvenWerks> What I did with it was very basic, No recording just local stream with a window view and a webcam. Audio direct to/from jack
[21:05] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks, tomreyn, wonko: OBS is fully capable of 4K streaming, which would require a very beefy setup indeed. Most people I know that use it do 720p or 1080p (I mod for 10 Mixer streamers and 1 Twitch streamer, all of which use OBS in one form or another). We're talking broadcast quality in most cases.
[21:06] <OvenWerks> broadcast quality? sounds like a moving target ;)
[21:07]  * OvenWerks remembers working in a TV station when NTSC was king
[21:07] <wonko> PAL OR GTFO
[21:07] <OvenWerks> NTSC? means Never Twice the Same Colour
[21:07] <wonko> :-P
[21:07] <wonko> hah, that's a good one
[21:08] <wonko> Eickmeyer: does it compress more heavily for streaming vs recording? That's just what I assumed but never really looked into it.
[21:08] <Eickmeyer> wonko: That all depends on the bitrate that is specified.
[21:08] <Eickmeyer> Obviously, the lower the bitrate, the higher the compression.
[21:08] <wonko> I don't know a ton about OBS, I just know it has those two options
[21:09] <Eickmeyer> It's H.264 or hardware encoding. AMD and Nvidia cards are automatically detected and can be used to process the encoding if the user prefers.
[21:09] <wonko> never bothered looking into the difference since it was never my intention to stream
[21:09] <Eickmeyer> I use it for streaming, and that was only recently (and after we made the decision to add OBS to the seed).
 Did you set it to Wumbo?
 @SomeIrrelevantPerson0000 [Did you set it to Wumbo?], I don't know what that means.
 https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=set+it+to+wumbo%3f&view=detail&mid=62D2BE561E895DAA69A362D2BE561E895DAA69A3&FORM=VIRE
[21:18] <wonko> If I go to OBS settings under Encoder it only shows me Software (x264) and no hardware options. Is something missing?
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> wonko: What display processor?
[21:19] <wonko> english please? :-P
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> GPU
[21:19] <wonko> GTX 1080
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> Interesting. Proprietary drivers installed?
[21:19] <wonko> yep
[21:20] <wonko> 435.21
[21:21] <Eickmeyer> Two possibilities: 1) OBS doesn't support hardware encoding from Linux, or 2) They do, but only from the version in their PPA.
[21:21] <Eickmeyer> Latter is most likely because it might require proprietary blobs not included in the repo (upsream Debian) version.
[21:21] <Eickmeyer> wonko: ^
[21:21] <wonko> https://intellectualcramps.wordpress.com/2017/06/08/obs-studio-and-hardware-encoding-for-linux/
[21:21] <wonko> " Unfortunately, obs-studio doesn’t support this right out of the box, but since it is open source, several people have made the necessary files available."
[21:22] <wonko> so just not by default
[21:22] <Eickmeyer> wonko: It might be in the PPA version.
[21:22] <wonko> that being said, it's not like I don't have free cores. :)
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> wonko: With your setup? Yeah. With my setup: need corz. Plz send corz.
[21:28] <wonko> we need a downloadmorecores.com like downloadmoreram? :)
[21:29] <wonko> libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/nvidia_drv_video.so
[21:29] <wonko> so you aren't seeding libva?
[21:29] <wonko> or is that something that would be provided by the nvidia drivers?
[21:29] <wonko> Next we need to recompile OBS-Studio with the necessary support plugin
[21:30] <wonko> ok, i'm done with this post. :)
[21:30] <wonko> oh
[21:30] <wonko> hmmm, looks like you just leave it set to software
[21:31] <wonko> ffmpeg does the acceleration
[21:31] <wonko> unless i'm reading that wrong
[21:32] <Eickmeyer> Oh! Yeah, that would make sense. ffmpeg does do the accelleration.
[21:33] <Eickmeyer> Rather, ffmpeg will use hardware accelleration if it's available.
[21:33] <Eickmeyer> Because ffmpeg > ALL
[21:33] <Eickmeyer> and ffmpeg is required for OBS
[21:33] <Eickmeyer> wonko: Also, our OBS comes from Debian, so the Debian Multimedia Team is who packaged it. We did nothing except add it to the seed.
[21:34] <wonko> but that actually shouldn't matter in this case
[21:34] <wonko> because it's going to use the system installed ffmpeg
[21:34] <Eickmeyer> True.
[21:35] <wonko> $ ldd $(which ffmpeg) | grep libva
[21:35] <wonko> 	libva.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libva.so.2 (0x00007f5f9b726000)
[21:36] <wonko> so yeah, nothing to be done
[21:36] <wonko> that's a little misleading though
[21:36] <Eickmeyer> True.
[21:36] <wonko> some sort of note there would be nice
[21:36] <wonko> maybe i'll open that as an issue with OBS
[21:36] <Eickmeyer> I think they're covering their bases. I checked and sure enough, libva was installed. vainfo was not, but not exactly an issue there.
[21:36] <wonko> yeah, I had to install vainfo
[21:36] <wonko> which also doesn't actually work
[21:37] <wonko> so i'm not sure what's going on there
[21:37] <Eickmeyer> Article is 2 years old, and OBS has come a LONG way since.
[21:37] <wonko> yeah, I didn't think to check the date at first, once I saw "now you rebuild OBS from source" I scrolled up. :)
[21:38] <wonko> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Q3kcbJ657t/
[21:38] <wonko> no idea what that's about or if I even care
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. ffmpeg should be doing the job.
[21:41] <OvenWerks> stream ogg
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's not an option.
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> Not on Mixer or Twitch at least.
[21:42] <OvenWerks> yes it is.
[21:42] <OvenWerks> oh the server ya.
[21:42] <OvenWerks> Actually I guess it would be theora
 How would I go about upgrading to 19.10 from 19.04? Do I need to reinstall everything from a live usb?
 @Go_Diego_Go [How would I go about upgrading to 19.10 from 19.04? Do I need to reinstall every …], There will be a notification once the powers-that-be feel upgrades are safe and tested.
 Oh okay, awesome. The Eon Ermine logo is beautiful BTW
 @Go_Diego_Go [Oh okay, awesome. The Eon Ermine logo is beautiful btw], Thanks! :)


[00:00] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yup in :) .. beats me what the issue is on my system :(
[00:00] <krytarik> lol
[00:00] <krytarik> Random bad luck obviously!
[00:02] <guiverc> Bashing-om, my read thru is complete; no comments. (bit warm for me here, concentration isn't great)
[00:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Then we do most excellent work :P
[00:05] <guiverc> :)
[04:46] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 21.04 Release Date & Planned Features @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/01/ubuntu-21-04-release-features (by Joey Sneddon)
[13:03] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Full Circle Magazine: Full Circle Weekly News #197 @ https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcast/full-circle-weekly-news-197/
[18:29] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Alan Pope: Raspberry Pi: Boot to BASIC @ https://popey.com/blog/2021/01/raspberry-pi-boot-to-basic/
[21:14] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulled "WIP" will push momentarily soon as confirmed change is saved on the server.
[21:25] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - doing the Forum post next.
[21:39] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - sections abridged for excess. Doing the re-directs next.
[21:51] <guiverc> Bashing-om, okay to push #667 to fridge?
[21:51] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs completed. guiverc Yup push to the medias - all looks good to me :D
[21:52] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/01/25/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-667/
[21:55] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check checks good.
[21:55] <guiverc> tweeted
[21:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Any point in revisiting why http://ubuntu-news.org/ is no longer updated ?
[21:58] <guiverc> t0mb0 has kept us up-to-date.. waiting on implmentation https://code.launchpad.net/~tcuthbert/charm-k8s-wordpress/+git/charm-k8s-wordpress-1/+merge/395661
[21:59] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Outstanding - we be patient :D
[21:59] <guiverc> t0mb0, any news?    screensavers still show issue 660; being latest on ubuntu-news.org
[21:59] <Bashing-om> UWN: Clear now to wipe Gdoc ?
[21:59]  * guiverc knows it's a bit early for those over on west coast..
[22:00] <guiverc> yep clear away Bashing-om
[22:00] <Bashing-om> Clearing the deck for continued action.
[22:05] <guiverc> fb posted too
[22:05] <Bashing-om> UWN: We do issue 668.
[22:14] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 667 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/01/25/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-667/


[03:18] <germanpianista> hello
[03:18] <holstein> o/
[03:19] <germanpianista> this is my last chance... i have a focusrite saffire 6 interface. i've been trying all week to make work but i can't... i researched, asked in forums, chat... but nothing can make it work... any help please??. if nothing happens tonight i'll just have to go back to windows :(
[03:20] <holstein> germanpianista: well, focusrite didnt promise you linux support.. but, my firewire device literally works out of the box
[03:20] <germanpianista> sorry my message wasn't sent completed :O, i was asking about my interface not working
[03:20] <holstein> germanpianista: you never *have to* go back to any operating system.. but, if you want official supported drivers, windows may be the place to go
[03:21] <germanpianista> well mine is USB and works fine in windows. but for some reason don't work here
[03:21] <holstein> nothing about linux or ubuntu is preventing your device from working
[03:21] <holstein> germanpianista: the windows support is irrelevant.. they promised you windows support
[03:21] <germanpianista> but i don't know what else to do :( ... i need my interface to work.. i record using audio and midi
[03:21] <holstein> germanpianista: if they had promised you linux support, it would work "out of the box" without issue.. or, you can ask them for support
[03:22] <holstein> a team of professionals were paid to provide you with windows support.. when you go to linux, you take that burden on yourself
[03:22] <holstein> i *know* that device is class compliant, though.. or at least, thats what i was told my a person who uses it in linux
[03:22] <germanpianista> i know.. but i'm kind of frustrated.. nothing seems to make it work
[03:22] <holstein> germanpianista: sure. you should literally need to do nothing to make it work
[03:23] <holstein> germanpianista: if you have literallly just started using linux audio, i suggest this
[03:23] <germanpianista> so what do you think should i do?
[03:23] <holstein> unplug the usb audio device.. *then*, get jack running on your internal audio dvice
[03:23] <holstein> device*
[03:23] <holstein> get used to using and routing JACK on your internal audio device, and using some of the applications
[03:24] <holstein> *then*, when you have jack under control, add the USB device
[03:24] <holstein> i suggest disabling the internal audio in the bios.. one major issue new users have is that the alsa labels can jump at boot.. so you set jack up to use the USB device, you reboot, and the label changes
[03:24] <germanpianista> ok, i've been using ubuntu studio just from sunday, so i'm a complete newbie.. how do i open jack?
[03:25] <holstein> !proaudio
[03:25] <holstein> germanpianista: its in the menu
[03:25] <germanpianista> qjackctl??
[03:25] <holstein> germanpianista: correct
[03:25] <holstein> !info qjackctl
[03:26] <holstein> germanpianista: qjackctl is the jack gui
[03:26] <holstein> germanpianista: this is why i suggest *not* troubleshooting so much at once.
[03:26] <germanpianista> ooh thanks, i'll try doing the bios thing
[03:26] <holstein> germanpianista: right now, you are probably clicking on things like ardour without jack setup, which causes issues with most software and hardware.. start simple
[03:27] <holstein> germanpianista: the "bios thing" happens later
[03:27] <germanpianista> yes, thanks!
[03:27] <holstein> germanpianista: you should first just learn jack and the audio apps.. without the usb device even connected
[03:27] <holstein> no need to learn and troubleshoot so many things at once
[03:27] <holstein> germanpianista: what is the goal? multitrack recording to ardour?
[03:28] <holstein> my history about switching to linux (though, i realize you have not asked, but i feel you should understand the investment of time)
[03:28] <germanpianista> yes, multitrack recording for audio and midi
[03:29] <germanpianista> i use cubase in windows
[03:29] <holstein> i migrated my daily driver laptop to linux.. so that i could learn and be forced to learn linux
[03:29] <holstein> i used xp and cubase in the studio
[03:29] <holstein> i *slowly* migrated all that over
[03:29] <holstein> first, i used a laptop for a year.. *not* doing anything like audio production in linux
[03:30] <holstein> think of how long you used windows before doing any audio production, for example
[03:30] <germanpianista> so it's a slow process
[03:30] <holstein> anyways.. *then*, i ran live CD's and dual booted on the production machine.. making sure i could get the hardware configuration happening
[03:30] <germanpianista> but what i'm worried about is that the interface got a light indicating activity... that light is always off here in linux
[03:30] <holstein> i did that for months and months
[03:31] <holstein> germanpianista: sure.. dont be "worried".. be aware of the facts
[03:31] <holstein> germanpianista: you are not intended to use that device in linux.. nothing about linux is preventing it from working.. but, there is little it can do to faciliate its working
[03:31] <holstein> germanpianista: now.. that device is "class compliant" as i understand.. and just works
[03:32] <holstein> germanpianista: so, i would unplug it, and get familiar with the audio in the general OS, and ardour, and jack.. etc
[03:32] <holstein> *then*, you can come to using that USB device with some experience and understanding
[03:33] <holstein> i assure you , i felt as if i had spent 4 grand on all new hardware and software for my studio machine, when all i did was switch to linux.. ubuntustudio.. .but, its *not* trivial
[03:33] <holstein> it is worth the time. but, there is an investment
[03:33] <germanpianista> mmm thanks for your help
[03:34] <germanpianista> i'm trying to set up jack
[03:34] <germanpianista> what is the driver ALSA?
[03:35] <holstein> alsa will support the device.. yes
[03:35] <germanpianista> i'm getting an error trying to start jack server
[03:35] <holstein> ok.. share
[03:35] <holstein> !paste
[03:35] <holstein> or, see that you are using the proper device
[03:35] <holstein> there are 2 drop down menues
[03:36] <holstein> what do i do? i get the live CD, start it up, and literally click *everything* and try *all* settings
[03:36] <holstein> i know that no settings will persist in the live environment, and i can learn to support my device in jack without worrying about breaking anything in my install
[03:37] <germanpianista> yes you're right
[03:37] <germanpianista> is there anyway i can keep in touch with you?
[03:37] <holstein> germanpianista: im logged here *all* the time..
[03:37] <holstein> but, if its slow, you can try #opensourcemusicians
[03:37] <holstein> if im not here, i'll be around sooner or later :)
[03:38] <germanpianista> thank you!, i'll try to do what you recommended me
[03:38] <holstein> germanpianista: and, just try and be patient
[03:39] <holstein> you cant put a time limit on it.. and you cant hinge your experience on some other companies level of support for linux.. its not realistic
[03:39] <holstein> think of how long you used windows without doing any audio production.. or messing with audio devices. just using it "as-is"
[03:39] <holstein> try and give yourself time to get aquainted with the linux system as well
[03:39] <germanpianista> by the way i have a vinyl player that use the same connector as my USB interface.. i plugged to the PC.. and worked right away!! :S , so it's something with focusrite i think
[03:40] <holstein> germanpianista: they (focusrite) are welcome and able to provide you support.. *all* of linux and ubuntu and ubuntustuduio is completely open
[03:40] <holstein> if they choose, they can make using it *quite* simple for you
[03:41] <holstein> if they choose to make it challenging, there can be little to do about that
[03:41] <holstein> i personally have stopped using all the devices i have had like that
[03:41] <holstein> but, using linux is the main goal i have.. if using one particular piece of hardware was my main goal, i would use it as the creator intends
[03:41] <germanpianista> mmm i wish i had money to get a working device
[03:42] <holstein> sell yours and by another.. but, i dont think thats the issue
[03:42] <holstein> i think its configuration
[03:43] <holstein> germanpianista: you are using 14.04? correct?
[03:43] <holstein> it should be supported by the latest kernels and alsa
[03:43] <germanpianista> how do i know which kernel i'm using?
[03:43] <holstein> http://www.digitalstroopwafel.com/?p=141 for example
[03:44] <holstein> thats your device ^ and someone stating that the latest kernels just support it.. as i had heard as well
[03:44] <holstein> germanpianista: you can open a terminal and run "uname -a"
[03:45] <holstein> if you dont have the latest, i would try the PPA there..
[03:45] <holstein> germanpianista: do you have proprietary graphics drivers installed?
[03:46] <germanpianista> ok hold on!
[03:46] <holstein> are you 64bit?
[03:47] <germanpianista> yess i saw that website...
[03:47] <germanpianista> actually i did the same he did and got a big kernell panic and had to reinstall everything
[03:47] <germanpianista> :(
[03:48] <holstein> germanpianista: we can entertain what you did wrong there, or look at your current kernel..
[03:48] <germanpianista> later i installed Linux Mint 17 like he did, and could get it to work only as an audio player, but not for recording....
[03:48] <holstein> germanpianista: thats going to be the deal, if its not working
[03:49] <holstein> germanpianista: at this point.. i say, the easiest thing for you would be to just get the upcoming 14.10
[03:49] <holstein> germanpianista: its so close to release, i think you would barely notice its beta
[03:49] <holstein> it'll have that kernel, and support for that device "baked in"
[03:50] <holstein> you can try it live, and see if it works.. if you install 14.10 now, and just run an update, you'll be updated to the final release when it releases
[03:50] <germanpianista> it says i have right now 3.13.0-32
[03:50] <holstein> germanpianista: so, theres the deal
[03:50] <holstein> germanpianista: now you know, and you can confirm with a 14.10 live CD
[03:50] <germanpianista> how do i install the latest compatible kernel with ubuntustudio?
[03:51] <holstein> germanpianista: you stated you already had
[03:51] <holstein> i mean, i would try http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.17.1-utopic/
[03:52] <holstein> you can install them as debs, and *if* you know how to show grub, you can get the kernel panic, and get back to the current kernel
[03:52] <holstein> germanpianista: you *dont* remove the kernel you are running right now. you just manually install the ones ^
[03:52] <germanpianista> well it's a litle dangerous
[03:53] <germanpianista> should i download and install every one of those files?
[03:53] <holstein> germanpianista: you can set grub to show the kernel choices.. so that *if* you have kernel panic, you can go to the kernel you are using
[03:53] <holstein> germanpianista: there is no "should"
[03:53] <holstein> germanpianista: the "should" is that focusrite should support linux
[03:53] <holstein> germanpianista: they dont.. so, here we are..
[03:54] <germanpianista> ok!, so amd64 or i386??
[03:54] <germanpianista> generic or low latency? :O
[03:54] <holstein> germanpianista: thats why i asked before if you are using 64bit or not
[03:54] <holstein> germanpianista: are you 32 of 64bit?
[03:54] <germanpianista> yes, 64bit
[03:54] <holstein> germanpianista: so, amd64
[03:54] <holstein> germanpianista: i would want the lowlatency one
[03:55] <germanpianista> ok, i'll try it and see how it goes!
[03:55] <holstein> in a terminal..
[03:55] <holstein> cd ~/Downloads
[03:55] <holstein> wget http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.17.1-utopic/linux-headers-3.17.1-031701-generic_3.17.1-031701.201410150735_amd64.deb
[03:55] <holstein> sorry..
[03:55] <holstein> i mean.. "wget http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.17.1-utopic/linux-headers-3.17.1-031701-lowlatency_3.17.1-031701.201410150735_amd64.deb"
[03:56] <holstein> wget http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.17.1-utopic/linux-image-3.17.1-031701-lowlatency_3.17.1-031701.201410150735_amd64.deb
[03:56] <holstein> wget http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.17.1-utopic/linux-headers-3.17.1-031701_3.17.1-031701.201410150735_all.deb
[03:56] <holstein> ^ you can copy paste those in if you want..
[03:57] <holstein> then, from the guide before.. "sudo dpkg -i linux-headers*.deb linux-image*.deb" should work fine
[03:57] <holstein> !paste
[03:57] <holstein> paste any errors..
[03:57] <germanpianista> thank you!, i'm downloading now
[03:58] <holstein> *then*, after that completes without error.. i would go to "gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub"
[03:59] <holstein> i would make the following change..
[03:59] <holstein> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=10
[03:59] <holstein> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false
[03:59] <holstein> and save it back..
[03:59] <holstein> *then*, *if* you boot that kernel, and have a problem, you can boot into the kernel you are using right now, and uninstall those you just installed, and try others.. or whatever
[04:00] <holstein> so you dont have to reinstall like you did before
[04:00] <holstein> but.. if you *dont* want to do that.. you can tap "shift" and show the grub menu..
[04:00] <holstein> you may prefer that..
[04:01] <germanpianista> thanks!, i'm copying that for future reference
[04:01] <germanpianista> i'm installing right now
[04:05] <germanpianista> i had one error
[04:05] <germanpianista> gzip: stdout: No space left on device
[04:05] <germanpianista> E: mkinitramfs failure cpio 141 gzip 1
[04:05] <germanpianista> update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-3.17.1-031701-lowlatency with 1.
[04:05] <germanpianista> run-parts: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools exited with return code 1
[04:05] <germanpianista> Failed to process /etc/kernel/postinst.d at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-3.17.1-031701-lowlatency.postinst line 1025.
[04:06] <holstein> germanpianista: please run "sudo update-grub" and paste in..
[04:06] <holstein> !paste
[04:06] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[04:07] <holstein> also, in a terminal "df" and paste there as well..
[04:10] <germanpianista> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8577252/ this is the first one
[04:11] <holstein> well, thats probably why you had a "kernel panic" last time
[04:11] <holstein> seems like, you may have done a custom install? and not given yourself large enough partitons.. did you?
[04:11] <germanpianista> this is when i type df  http://paste.ubuntu.com/8577256/
[04:12] <germanpianista> mmm probaly.. i followed i video of some mexican guy :S
[04:12] <holstein> germanpianista: yeah. thats not good
[04:12] <holstein> germanpianista: you should literally just install.. and do the defaults
[04:12] <holstein> germanpianista: this is what i suggest for you for the "path of least resistance"
[04:12] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/pending/
[04:13] <germanpianista> really? most tutorials do the custom installation
[04:13] <holstein> get http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/pending/utopic-dvd-amd64.iso
[04:13] <holstein> germanpianista: you have no need for custom insatll
[04:13] <holstein> install*
[04:13] <holstein> unless you do.. and then, you likely dont want/need ubuntustudio
[04:14] <germanpianista> mmm is that the beta version you told me eariler??
[04:14] <germanpianista> i'll download it!
[04:14] <holstein> anyways.. 14.10 will have that kernel, by default.. you can try it live, and see that it supports your device *before* installing
[04:14] <holstein> then, if you want to fix your system, you can look at the guide you used, and share how exactly you installed, and maybe you can fix it. or, just fresh install 14.10
[04:15] <germanpianista> thanks! i'll try it!
[04:15] <holstein> 14.10 releases in literally a few days
[04:15] <germanpianista> but that's not ubuntustudio right?
[04:16] <holstein> yes
[04:16] <germanpianista> sorry, just read it!
[04:16] <holstein> we follow the same release.. ubuntustuduio is ubuntu
[04:17] <germanpianista> wow and if it's going to be released in a few days.. how did you get the link to download it right now?
[04:17] <holstein> germanpianista: they are up for months and months before.. for testing
[04:18] <germanpianista> i was thinking you were one of the developers! :)
[04:18] <holstein> germanpianista: im not a code contributor
[04:18] <holstein> mostly just support
[04:19] <germanpianista> are you musician?
[04:19] <holstein> yes
[04:19] <germanpianista> me too, and sorry for my english.. my native language is spanish. i'm from CHile
[04:19] <holstein> nah.. you are doing fine with english
[04:20] <germanpianista> thanks!
[04:24] <germanpianista> thanks again for all your help!
[04:25] <holstein> sure..