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[05:44] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
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[06:18] <brobostigon> can someone do something about this advertising bot, please.
[06:18] <zmoylan-pi> one other channel made it so only registered nicks could comment
[06:19] <brobostigon> yes, thats the case on an autie channel i am on.
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[08:28] <diplo> spam spam spam :)
[08:30] <zmoylan-pi> and no ops to but the boot in
[08:44] <diplo> Can always get popey on Telegram if he's not here
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[09:48] <daftykins> my my
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[11:01] <diplo> hopefully stop some of them spamming :) we'll see
[11:07] <zmoylan-pi> huzzah \o/
[11:08] <daftykins> good stuff


[01:54] <Turl> hi
[01:54] <Turl> I uploaded a package to my ppa, but the amd64 build seems to have stuck
[01:55] <Turl> it's 2 hours and still didn't finish
[01:55] <Turl> https://edge.launchpad.net/~turl/+archive/ppa/+build/952860
[01:57] <wgrant> Turl: Has https://launchpad.net/builders/bohrium changed recently?
[01:57] <wgrant> It looks like it's very nearly done.
[01:57] <wgrant> Oh.
[01:58] <wgrant> infinity stole the builder.
[01:58] <wgrant> Turl: That buildd has been taken down for some kind of maintenance.
[01:59] <wgrant> But for some reason it didn't relinquish your build.
[02:00] <Turl> Status      Disabled for Enablement
[02:00] <Turl> :P
[02:00] <Turl> wgrant: can you cancel that build and restart it or something?
[02:07] <wgrant> Turl: I've no special privileges. Only a sysadmin can fix it.
[02:10] <wgrant> Turl: You might be best to reupload.
[02:21] <Turl> ok wgrant, thanks anyway
[03:48] <ub3rst4r> does anyone what the url is to mirror a branch thats hosted on sourceforge on to launchpad?
[03:49] <wgrant> ub3rst4r: What type of branch?
[03:49] <ub3rst4r> bazaar
[03:50] <wgrant> ub3rst4r: So, you should head over to your project, hit the 'Code' tab, and find the 'Register branch' link in the top right.
[03:51] <ub3rst4r> wgrant ya i want to mirror the sourceforge code on to launchpad
[03:52] <wgrant> ub3rst4r: You can then select to create a mirrored branch, and give it the URL to the SF.net branch.
[03:52] <ub3rst4r> ya how does the url work?
[03:53] <Peng_> What URL? SourceForge's URL?
[03:53] <ub3rst4r> bzr://PROJECTNAME.bzr.sourceforge.net/bzrroot/PROJECTNAME
[03:53] <ub3rst4r> does that work?
[03:53] <wgrant> ub3rst4r: Just give it the URL to the branch, like you would if you checked it out.
[03:53] <wgrant> That should work.
[03:54] <ub3rst4r> k
[03:54] <ub3rst4r> sorry, i wasnt sure how it got the password...
[03:54] <ub3rst4r> just remembered it just needs to read it
[03:54] <wgrant> Right.
[03:55] <ub3rst4r> ty
[03:55] <wgrant> Wow. Geocities.
[04:00] <jml> I remember them.
[04:02] <jml> angelfire! tripod! cgi! frames! under construction animated gifs!
[04:02] <wgrant> Marquees!
[04:08] <ub3rst4r> hi, launchpad isnt letting me mirror the branch
[04:08] <ub3rst4r> it says "Launchpad cannot mirror this branch because its URL uses sftp or bzr+ssh. "
[04:09] <wgrant> ub3rst4r: Is that error message not clear enough?
[04:09] <ub3rst4r> how are you suppose to mirror something from http?
[04:09] <wgrant> Give it an http:// or bzr:// URL.
[04:10] <ub3rst4r> bzr doesnt work
[04:10] <Peng_> bzr://? Not bzr+ssh://?
[04:11] <ub3rst4r> bzr+ssh works not bzr:://
[04:11] <Peng_> LP can't mirror from bzr+ssh, as the error message says.
[04:11] <ub3rst4r> but no it doesnt cus it has to be ftp or http
[04:11]  * Peng_ is completely confused now
[04:12] <wgrant> bzr:// does work.
[04:12] <wgrant> SF.net serves on bzr://
[04:12] <ub3rst4r> here was it says
[04:12] <ub3rst4r> https://code.launchpad.net/~nick58/lilregcleaner/mirror
[04:13] <wgrant> bzr, not bzr+ssh
[04:13] <Peng_> ub3rst4r: You gave it a bzr+ssh:// URL. Give it an http:// or bzr:// URL.
[04:13] <ub3rst4r> bzr doesnt work
[04:13] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[04:13] <Peng_> ub3rst4r: bzr://littlecleaner.bzr.sourceforge.net/bzrroot/littlecleaner works.
[04:13] <ub3rst4r> it says bzr is unrecongized
[04:14] <wgrant> Ah.
[04:14] <ub3rst4r> he URI scheme "bzr" is not allowed. Only URIs with the following schemes may be used: bzr+ssh, ftp, http, https, sftp
[04:14]  * wgrant blames jml. Any ideas, jml?
[04:14] <wgrant> That certainly looks like a Launchpad bug.
[04:14] <wgrant> And an SF.net bug for not serving over HTTP like everybody else.
[04:14] <ub3rst4r> then it says it says it cant mirror it
[04:15] <Peng_> Heh.
[04:15] <Peng_> So it accepts bzr+ssh URLs even though it can't use them, but rejects bzr? Very smart. :)
[04:16] <wgrant> It needs to recognise bzr+ssh and sftp for Remote branches.
[04:16] <jml> what
[04:16] <Peng_> Does it recognize bzr+http or nosmart+ URLs?
[04:16] <wgrant> jml: One cannot register a branch in Launchpad with a bzr:// URL.
[04:16] <ub3rst4r> stupid.
[04:16] <jml> no, you can't
[04:17] <jml> there's a bug about that, iirc.
[04:17] <wgrant> I suppose it needs firewall poking, so it's not too trivial.
[04:18] <ub3rst4r> i dont think sf has http access for its bazaar
[04:19] <ub3rst4r> oh well
[04:21] <Peng_> How much effort does it take to push something like this through the sysadmins?
[04:25] <ub3rst4r> the http doesnt work either
[04:56] <jml> Peng_: there's code changes as well as network changes required
[04:57] <jml> Peng_: pushing something like this doesn't take much effort at all -- our sysadmins are awesome
[04:58] <Peng_> Oh, good.
[08:46] <alkisg> Hi, I've uploaded a package into my PPA and it shows as "Supported by Canonical" in synaptic. What am I doing wrong? Is it the package version numbering (<IP_ADDRESS>-1)? Synaptic screenshot: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/temp/synaptic.png
[08:52] <wgrant> alkisg: That's a Synaptic bug.
[08:52] <alkisg> wgrant: <relieved> thanks!!!
[08:54] <alkisg> wgrant: If I have a greek filename with an english extension in my package (e.g. δοκιμή.glo), the .deb gets generated correctly, but later on `sudo apt-get install my-package` crashes! This doesn't happen if the filename has all greek characters (e.g. δοκιμή.γλώσσα). What could be the cause, where should I report something like this?
[08:58] <wgrant> alkisg: How does it crash?
[08:59] <alkisg> wgrant: it produces a stack dump, and leaves some /usr/share/myapp/temp files behind
[08:59] <alkisg> I get the same result with dpkg -i mypackage.deb
[08:59] <wgrant> alkisg: File a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+filebug
[08:59] <alkisg> wgrant: thanks a lot :)
[11:08] <maarons> Hi, is bazaar.launchpad.net down?
[11:27] <kiko> shouldn't be -- let me check
[11:28] <kiko> maarons, works for me.
[11:28] <kiko> hmm
[11:32] <kiko> yeah, it wfm
[11:33] <thekorn_> hi, someone arround who has the power to give bazaar.launchpad.net a kick?
[11:34] <thekorn_> pages like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~python-screenrecorder-dev/python-screenrecorder/trunk/files are not working here
[11:34] <thekorn_> hmm, now it worked
[11:51] <maarons> works now, nice=)
[11:52] <kiko> it's the sort of app that only works when it wants to
[11:52] <kiko> but mwh has his own ideas about that
[12:24] <maxb> zirconium and kahikatea both seem to be in need of a kick
[13:07] <savvas> 1 milestone = 1 release right?
[13:09] <wgrant> savvas: Yes, but a milestone doesn't have to have a release.
[13:10] <savvas> ok, thanks :)
[13:10] <savvas> I thought I could make something like 0.1* milestone and 0.1.0 release
[13:10] <savvas> and then 0.1.1 release :P
[13:11] <wgrant> A 0.1* milestone doesn't make sense.
[13:11] <wgrant> What is your use-case?
[13:13] <savvas> the web 2.0 has a star next to the newly created milestone
[13:13] <savvas> I went to https://edge.launchpad.net/surl/trunk/+addrelease
[13:14] <savvas> and created a new release, when it was created, the "select milestone" dropbox had 0.1.0* in it
[13:14] <savvas> I got confused by that asterisk I guess :)
[13:15] <savvas> but it's all clear now, every release needs its own milestone
[13:16] <wgrant> Ah.
[13:16] <savvas> * and created a new release = and created a new milestone
[13:17] <wgrant> Or converting an existing milestone into a release.
[13:17] <savvas> I'll have to try that in staging, good thing we have it for testing purposes hehe
[13:18] <wgrant> Yep. Staging is useful for this sort of thing.
[15:23] <mdke> anyone able to diagnose an "oops" for me?
[15:23] <mdke> OOPS-1204EB110
[15:24] <cody-somerville> mdke, I imagine you got that when you tried to decline all the pending ubuntumembers?
[15:24] <mdke> cody-somerville: yes
[15:25] <cody-somerville> mdke, Yes, I was just writing a reply to your e-mail.
[15:26] <cody-somerville> Unfortunately thats not going to work due to the large number of users you're declining at once.
[15:27] <mdke> cody-somerville: do you work on Launchpad nowadays?
[15:28] <mdke> if that's definitely the reason for the oops, I guess I need to file a bug
[15:28] <cody-somerville> mdke, I work for Canonical's OEM Solutions Team and that requires me to hack here and there on Launchpad as a part of my job.
[15:29] <mdke> cody-somerville: ok, so you can see the oops logs
[15:29] <cody-somerville> I can yes. Still waiting for the OOPs log to sync to devpad though.
[15:30] <mdke> ok
[15:31] <cody-somerville> It is indeed a timeout error
[15:31] <cody-somerville> And unfortunately I highly doubt the launchpad team is going to be able to optimize this to be able to handle declining almost a thousand members in one shot.
[15:32]  * wgrant suggests the API.
[15:32] <mdke> yes, it told me that on the page. But it suggested that if I try again, it might work
[15:32] <cody-somerville> You could indeed try the API, mdke
[15:33] <mdke> I'll have to learn what an API is though
[15:34] <cody-somerville> However, it would probably be best for everyone if we just asked the launchpad OSA team to do the database edit like I suggested in my e-mail. After all, there isn't really any benefit in sending those members an e-mail anymore anyhow as its been a number of months so anyone who is legitimately interested in applying would already have gotten the news.
[15:35] <mdke> hmm
[15:35] <cody-somerville> 904 e-mails multiplied by all the admins of the team + 904  is a lot of e-mail
[15:36] <cody-somerville> I don't imagine it would make the launchpad OSA team very happy
[15:36] <mdke> yes, it would be sensible for Launchpad just to send one email to admins arising out of that function
[15:36] <mdke> I don't know if that is already the position or not
[15:39] <cody-somerville> Indeed
[15:39] <mdke> so what does OSA stand for?
[15:39] <cody-somerville> Operational Systems Administrator
[15:41] <cody-somerville> mdke, If you file an answer against launchpad asking for the database edit, I'm sure the launchpad team will be more than happy to facilitate you.
[15:42] <mdke> I'll do that
[15:42] <mdke> thanks cody-somerville
[15:43] <cody-somerville> No problem
[15:58] <jeroen-> people I have a privacy problem
[15:59] <jeroen-> My full name is listed on launchpad (in a translation) and can be linked to my nichname
[15:59] <jeroen-> nickname
[15:59] <jeroen-> can someone please assist me in solving this problem?
[16:00] <hyperair> jeroen-: are you that afraid of having people know who you are?
[16:00] <hyperair> jeroen-: i officially gave up hiding the links between my real name and my nickname the moment i began packaging.
[16:01] <jeroen-> hyperair: well for two reasons
[16:01] <jeroen-> I also use this nickname somewhere else
[16:01] <jeroen-> and I have been stalked a few times in the past
[16:02] <hyperair> did you give the stalker a reason to stalk you?
[16:02] <hyperair> and seriously, you shouldn't have put your real name anywhere then if you were worried about being stalked
[16:02] <cody-somerville> hyperair, Comments like that aren't helpful, thanks.
[16:02] <hyperair> right.
[16:02] <hyperair> my bad
[16:02] <cody-somerville> jeroen-, Please file a question against the launchpad product.
[16:03] <jeroen-> hyperair: thats not your problem
[16:03] <jeroen-> and your issue
[16:03] <jeroen-> I don't want my name over there
[16:03] <jeroen-> its an old translations where it is in
[16:04] <savvas> jeroen-: a translation? one translation or more? how many programs involved?
[16:05] <jeroen-> 1
[16:05] <jeroen-> 2 lines
[16:05] <savvas> should be easy to fix then with a launchpad question :)
[16:06] <jeroen-> well I just want change my name in that old translation - is this so diffucult
[16:07] <savvas> it kind of depends on the release
[16:07] <rowinggolfer> having problems comitting today... getting odd errors.
[16:07] <rowinggolfer> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/153506/
[16:07] <jeroen-> well I can change my nickname, that solves 50% of the problem
[16:07] <rowinggolfer> I get asked to unlock... then the command fails.
[16:07] <rowinggolfer> what to do please?
[16:08] <cody-somerville> rowinggolfer, do bzr break-lock lp:~rowinggolfer/openmolar/trunk
[16:08] <hyperair> jeroen-: why 50% only?
[16:09] <rowinggolfer> cody-somerville: thanks dude. Fixed.
[16:09] <jeroen-> hyperair: I just told you
[16:09] <savvas> jeroen-: do you know in which release it is? and which package? if it's a stable release, I don't know how much success you would have into getting your name removal applied, as that would require to make a new package for it
[16:09] <jeroen-> savvas: I will check if it is still used
[16:12] <savvas> jeroen-: for example, if it's in ubuntu gutsy (7.04), you shouldn't have to worry about it, as its end-of-life date is today - the packages are removed :)
[16:12] <jeroen-> 2006
[16:13] <jeroen-> 05
[16:13] <jeroen-> ok than
[16:13] <jeroen-> I changed my name
[16:13] <jeroen-> thanks savvas
[16:13] <hyperair> savvas: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[16:13] <hyperair> it isn't removed
[16:13] <savvas> argh
[16:13] <hyperair> but it'll take quite some effort to track down that
[16:13] <savvas> I forgot about that
[16:14] <LarstiQ> jeroen-: did you follow cody-somerville's advise about filing a question on the launchpad product?
[16:15] <jeroen-> LarstiQ: not yet
[16:15] <jeroen-> but proberly it is not needed
[16:15] <savvas> the end-of-life dates are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[16:17] <jeroen-> June 2009
[16:17] <jeroen-> well great
[16:17] <jeroen-> savvas: so all string will be deleted
[16:17] <jeroen-> right away?
[16:18] <savvas> if you still see it, file a question against launchpad: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[16:18] <savvas> I don't know if it's right away, but old release packages go to http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ as hyperair pointed out :)
[16:18] <hyperair> and i don't think they're updated either
[16:19] <jeroen-> are those questions not public?
[16:19]  * rowinggolfer of to listen to launchpod while mowing the lawn :)
[16:20] <savvas> questions in launchpad are public, yes
[16:20] <savvas> I'd just wait and let it fade away, in june there won't be any dapper drake packages :)
[16:21] <savvas> (for desktop that is?)
[16:23] <jeroen-> savvas: ok than I just let it fade away


[06:56] <Sarvatt> wow, hd 6770m is one unhappy camper at the moment, all kinds of crashy in stock natty and compiz doesn't work with edgers
[06:57] <Sarvatt> well this is a firepro m5950 in a precision m4600, same GPU though
[06:58] <RAOF> Heh.  If only I had such problems :)
[07:01] <Sarvatt> 240w power brick for it is bigger than a netbook :)
[07:04] <RAOF> Sorry, *what* ?  That's a 240W power brick for a *laptop* ?
[07:04] <RAOF> Or should I say “portable”? :)
[07:06] <Sarvatt> 10.4lbs with 2 little strips of foam in the box :)
[07:07] <RAOF> 4.7 kg?  That's pretty heavy.
[07:08] <Sarvatt> the laptops only 2.8 of that
[07:08] <Sarvatt> rest is power brick
[07:08] <tjaalton> ...
[07:08] <RAOF> Does the laptop not actually have a battery?
[07:08] <RAOF> :)
[07:10] <Sarvatt> it's got the 6 cell option, 2 hours :)
[07:10] <tjaalton> "option"..
[07:10] <Sarvatt> yeah vs the heavier 9 cell for an extra 20 minutes
[07:10] <tjaalton> ah
[07:11] <RAOF> How much power does it draw under full load?
[07:15] <Sarvatt> i'll let ya know tomorrow when it's working again and not 2 am, needs to sit without a battery for another hour or so to be able to power back on after what I did to it :)
[07:16] <RAOF> How have you been mistreating the poor box!
[07:16] <tjaalton> ran unity on it, obviously
[07:16] <tjaalton> or tried to
[07:25] <Sarvatt> the GPU is only 25W TDP
[07:25] <Sarvatt> think they just grabbed a brick from a m6600 and sent that
[07:28] <RAOF> Well, at least it can charge the battery under full load!
[07:37] <LLStarks> sarvatt, D:
[07:37] <LLStarks> i was about to get one
[07:37] <LLStarks> *the 6770m
[08:21] <tjaalton> bryceh: I'll merge xorg and drop the drivers that were discussed on the list
[08:21] <tjaalton> from -video-all
[08:22] <bryceh> tjaalton, great
[08:25] <tjaalton> probably need to drop the doc-building stuff from build-deps, unless they are all in main
[08:25] <tjaalton> which I doubt
[08:29] <tjaalton> hum, it's only asciidoc now, and it's in main
[08:35] <bryceh> tjaalton, btw I trimmed down the arm drivers a while back; if there's other architectures we care enough about, might want to do similarly for them
[08:39] <tjaalton> bryceh: looks like powerpc is supported, I'll check that one too
[08:40] <tjaalton> and i think -vesa is useless on arm?
[08:41] <RAOF> That matches my understanding.
[08:42] <RAOF> VESA only works where there's a video bios, and since arm boards don't have bioses…
[08:42] <tjaalton> right
[08:49] <bryceh> tjaalton, yeah I left it only because I couldn't pin down an absolute, "Yes it's definitely not needed on arm" from anyone, and since it's such a trivially tiny driver just left it
[08:49] <tjaalton> bryceh: indeed it is
[08:50] <LLStarks> bryceh. fallback in a nutshell: gnome-panel as manual fallback or automatic for gnome-shell. unity-2d as manual and automatic fallback for unity.
[08:51] <LLStarks> according to didrocks from ayatna/desktop
[08:51] <LLStarks> gnome-shell pulls in all requisite packages.
[08:52] <LLStarks> automatic applies to all 3d-less scenarios. failsafex is our judgment call.
[08:53] <LLStarks> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-June/003079.html
[09:01] <RAOF> I've also replied to that; I think that whatever fallback session would normally kick in is the right thing to use.
[09:11] <bryceh> traditionally we've not bothered to fire up a WM at all.  Since we only need to run a single app we just run that as the root application
[09:11] <bryceh> however nothing says we can't revisit that design
[09:12] <bryceh> the one trade off is the more things we depend on the less failsafey we become
[09:12] <RAOF> Yeah.
[09:13] <tjaalton> aren't we mixing two things here? the one fallback is if the hw can't handle full 3d-unity/gnome-shell, the other is where the normal gdm/lightdm startup failed and so we use some defaults
[09:13] <RAOF> Hm.  We might be able to kill two birds with one stone.
[09:14] <RAOF> Since we'd want FailsafeX to *say* it's failsafe, we could pop up, say ‘Failsafe mode ENGAGE!’ and offer a minimal or full session.
[09:14] <tjaalton> so the other fallback is for the system, the other for the user session
[09:17] <bryceh> tjaalton, yeah two separate things conceptually
[09:18] <RAOF> My conception of FailsafeX is that we want to end up with it kicking in when the recovery boot is activated, right?
[09:23] <bryceh> in situations where the recovery boot is needed due to a graphics failure, that's correct
[09:24] <bryceh> gdm/lightdm failing to start X would be another situation (probably rare) where failsafex should be popped up
[09:25] <bryceh> there may be one or two other situations where we might want to tie it in
[09:25] <bryceh> where I'm a bit fuzzy is if in the recovery boot should xdiagnose or whatever pop itself up, or just be provided as a clickable icon or some such
[09:26] <tjaalton> "clickable icon" sounds like something that needs X :)
[09:28] <tjaalton> hmm forgot that it's not just failsafex
[10:05] <tjaalton> a flowchart from grub to unity, covering all the possible scenarios would be nice :)
[10:07] <bryceh> tjaalton, ...and as soon as you finish drawing it, someone would immediately introduce a change to render it obsolete ;-)
[10:07] <bryceh> actually, there is a good description of the sequence listed with one of the kernel troubleshooting docs
[10:08] <hyperair> Sarvatt: meh. X segfaults. =(
[10:08] <hyperair> Sarvatt: i guess it's to be expected from an ABI-incompatible X.
[10:10] <bryceh> tjaalton, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen
[10:11] <bryceh> hm, not much of a flow chart
[10:12] <tjaalton> bryceh: well, one covering the boot-up from X's perspective, that shouldn't change too often :)
[10:52] <scoundrel50a> Hi, I have a new Acer Aspire 5736Z laptop that I am having problems upgrading to 11.04 on. Have tried upgrading via the Update Manager, fresh install, alternative cd fresh isntall, and I get to reboot and as soon as the screen comes after clicking on the kernal option, the screen goes black, there is no backlight. There is a bug number #759104, has anybody any idea if this will get fixed? I cant upgrade otherwise. Funny thing though, I have
[10:52] <scoundrel50a>  an Acer Aspire One netbook, and it works ok on there.
[11:08] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a: try installing 2.6.39-oneiric from here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[11:19] <scoundrel50a> oh hello, just noticed this now. Thank you. Will see how far I get. Can that be installed over the top, or on another partition?
[11:20] <scoundrel50a> One thing I forgot, I am using 64bit, is there a 64bit version?
[11:20] <tjaalton> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.39-oneiric/
[11:20] <tjaalton> yes
[11:20] <tjaalton> grab the amd64.deb and install it
[11:22] <scoundrel50a> linux headers, or linux image?
[11:22] <tjaalton> image
[11:22] <scoundrel50a> ok, will give it a go, be back soon
[11:23] <scoundrel50a> thank you
[11:26] <scoundrel50a> do I just install as I would a normal .deb package, not done it this way before.
[11:26] <tjaalton> dpkg -i ...deb
[11:27] <scoundrel50a> ok, will give it a try
[11:29] <scoundrel50a> daft question I know, but should I close everything down before starting the installation, will be going offline if I do
[11:29] <scoundrel50a> will trying logging in again on a different pc
[11:30] <tjaalton> um no
[11:30] <tjaalton> you can install it from a running session.. then reboot
[11:30] <scoundrel50a> ok, well, I am about to install
[11:30] <tjaalton> though if you just have a black screen then you can't install it, right?
[11:31] <scoundrel50a> it gets to the end of the installation, I click on the kernal and the screen goes blac
[11:31] <scoundrel50a> too late now its going through it again
[11:31] <scoundrel50a> ok, installation finished, what do I do now?
[11:32] <scoundrel50a> reboot?
[11:32] <tjaalton> how did you install it?
[11:32] <scoundrel50a> using the command you gave, dpkg -i ....deb
[11:33] <scoundrel50a> I can see its added an extra kernal
[11:33] <tjaalton> you said it had a black screen, so I gave you bad advice
[11:33] <scoundrel50a> ah
[11:33] <scoundrel50a> well, as its installed, I will try to boot that up, see if anything has changed, one sec
[11:34] <scoundrel50a> brb
[11:34] <scoundrel50a> have another pc so will log in with that one
[11:36] <scoundrel50a_> ok,on different oc
[11:36] <scoundrel50a_> going to reboot other one now,
[11:38] <scoundrel50a_> rebooting, same thing happened, backlight not working, can just see the log in screen, but can not log in as I cant see curser
[11:39] <scoundrel50a_> tried using ctrl+alt+ > not working either
[11:40] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a_: "same thing.." that's not the same you described earlier, getting a black screen and nothing else
[11:43] <scoundrel50a_> um, sorry, I thought I mentioned the backlight didnt work
[11:44] <tjaalton> so what login screen are you talking about?
[11:44] <tjaalton> and are you saying it hasn't changed with the new kernel
[11:45] <scoundrel50a_> the log in box, where it has the logo and choice to pick users, no it hasnt changed, still no backlight
[11:46] <tjaalton> and you installed the .39 kernel when you had booted using the one from maverick?
[11:46] <scoundrel50a_> if you check the bug I posted, it should tell you there, and it gives you the xorg and old xorg files
[11:47] <scoundrel50a_> no, havent installed fromMaverick since the day 11.04 came out, as I got this same problem
[11:47] <tjaalton> no they don't tell me how you installed the kernel
[11:47] <tjaalton> I'm just trying to make sure you actually are running it
[11:48] <tjaalton> on the bug you said that the way to boot natty was to use the previous kernel (=maverick)
[11:48] <scoundrel50a_> yes
[11:48] <scoundrel50a_> I could do it that way
[11:48] <scoundrel50a_> but it looked like windows 98 on a very old machine
[11:49] <tjaalton> then you could try the 3.0-rc1 kernel from the same url i gave you
[11:50] <scoundrel50a_> ok, need to reboot again
[11:50] <scoundrel50a_> how can I uninstall that version? as I dont want loads of kernals showing
[11:51] <tjaalton> dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.39-020639-generic
[11:51] <scoundrel50a_> ok,
[11:52] <tjaalton> (and it's kernel)
[11:52] <scoundrel50a_> oh sorry using a netbook, 10 inch, and got big fingers
[11:56] <scoundrel50a_> purging now
[11:59] <scoundrel50a_> um, I dont have the url, it went when I rebooted and changed pc, can you give it to me again
[12:01] <tjaalton> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.0-rc1-oneiric/
[12:01] <scoundrel50a_> ok, will try that one, thank you
[12:03] <scoundrel50a_> ok, about to install this version
[12:10] <scoundrel50a_> about to reboot
[12:12] <scoundrel50a_> exactly the same, once you chosse the kernel, it starts to boot, the backlight turns off, and that is it,
[12:13] <scoundrel50a_> brb,
[12:13] <scoundrel50a_> #
[12:13] <tjaalton> then it would be nice to get the dmesg output of the broken kernel
[12:13] <tjaalton> attached to the bug
[12:15] <scoundrel50a_> how do I do that?
[12:15] <tjaalton> install openssh-server on the system, and log in remotely with ssh
[12:16] <scoundrel50a_> have to start up, have to tell you, I cant even boot up the rescue bit, that has the same problem, no backlight
[12:17] <scoundrel50a_> ok, will see if i can do that
[12:20] <scoundrel50a_> ok, I'm on my netbook, on 11.04, my laptop do I need to boot up to the new kernel, the  try to connect from netbook?
[12:20] <tjaalton> do you have ssh-access to the laptop?
[12:21] <scoundrel50a_> well openssh-server is installed on both machines
[12:21] <scoundrel50a_> how do I connect?
[12:21] <tjaalton> so that the networking works without the user session running..
[12:21] <tjaalton> ssh uid@foo
[12:22] <scoundrel50a_> ok, not done this before, the uid is the id of the laptop yes? What is foo?
[12:22] <tjaalton> no, username@machinename
[12:23] <tjaalton> or ip instead of the name
[12:23] <scoundrel50a_> how do I find out the ip address? and see if both machines are viewable on the network?
[12:23] <tjaalton> i give up
[12:24] <tjaalton> sorry
[12:24] <scoundrel50a_> ok, I'm sorry too
[12:25] <tjaalton> upstream might be interested, but they need the dmesg output
[12:25] <tjaalton> though, you can probably parse it from /var/log/kern.log too
[12:26] <tjaalton> which you can get to with the maverick kernel
[12:26] <scoundrel50a_> but I cant get that till I can find out if I can get into other machine, thank you anyway,
[12:27] <tjaalton> no, you use the same method to get it as you used to install the test kernels..
[12:31] <scoundrel50a_> I'll see if I can work it out, and find out the ip address adn connect
[12:32] <tjaalton> easier to find the kern.log* which has the information from the bad boot..
[12:33] <scoundrel50a_> how do I do that then?
[12:33] <scoundrel50a_> oh just saw
[12:33] <scoundrel50a_> will go check
[12:34] <scoundrel50a_> just rebooting other machine
[12:37] <scoundrel50a_> I found kern.log, would you like to see a copy? See if you find out?
[12:38] <tjaalton> are there many of them? kern.log.1 etc
[12:38] <tjaalton> locate the one that has the info about the 3.0-rc1 kernel
[12:39] <scoundrel50a_> kern.log and kern.log.1
[12:40] <scoundrel50a_> and I think it is just kern.log that shows the kernels you want, shall I pastebin it?
[12:40] <tjaalton> for instance
[12:40] <tjaalton> you know the 'pastebinit' command?
[12:41] <tjaalton> need to install the package first
[12:41] <scoundrel50a_> can I do it via ubuntu pastebin it, can copy it
[12:41] <scoundrel50a_> give you the url
[12:42] <tjaalton> no, apt-get install pastebinit, then run 'pastebinit /var/log/kern.log'
[12:42] <tjaalton> then give me the url
[12:47] <scoundrel50a_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/619840/ sorry took so long, netbook at its limit
[12:49] <scoundrel50a_> brb
[12:53] <tjaalton> you could try adding 'GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text' to /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub
[12:55] <scoundrel50a_> ok, will give it a go, is that done in Maverick?
[12:55] <tjaalton> no, it's a new feature in natty
[12:56] <scoundrel50a_> so how do I GET INTO IT THEN?
[12:56] <tjaalton> huh?
[12:56] <scoundrel50a_> oops sorry didnt know I had caps lock on till I sent sorry
[12:56] <tjaalton> you edit the file, and add that line..
[12:56] <scoundrel50a_> ok
[12:56] <tjaalton> then run update-grub, and reboot
[12:59] <scoundrel50a_> ok, do I need to add the inverted commers or leave them out
[13:03] <scoundrel50a_> ok, going to reboot into 11.04, after updating
[13:04] <tjaalton> inverted commers?
[13:05] <scoundrel50a_> things at beginning and end of text you gave me, dont know what they call them here
[13:05] <scoundrel50a_> and left them out, ran update rebooted and nothing
[13:05] <scoundrel50a_> backlight turned off again
[13:06] <scoundrel50a_> it actually turns off just before the log in page appears, and the drums sound
[13:06] <scoundrel50a_> why should it turn the light off
[13:07] <tjaalton> can you ctrl-alt-F1
[13:07] <tjaalton> to change to the virtual console
[13:07] <scoundrel50a_> I dont know, tried but no backlight, cant see anything
[13:09] <scoundrel50a_> I treid to get into recovery mode, a load of script went up the page, then the screen went black and now I cant see anything
[13:09] <scoundrel50a_> something is turning the light off
[13:11] <tjaalton> probably when the i915 module is loaded
[13:12] <scoundrel50a_> is there a way around it? I just tried to log on blind, clicked enter, then entered my password and I get logged in, but no light
[13:13] <scoundrel50a_> I have to use the on off button to turn off then
[13:13] <scoundrel50a_> it is loading
[13:13] <tjaalton> what is?
[13:13] <scoundrel50a_> Ubuntu
[13:14] <scoundrel50a_> I get the music
[13:14] <scoundrel50a_> but black screen
[13:14] <scoundrel50a_> the backlight needs to turn on
[13:15] <scoundrel50a_> I wish there was a way foryou to see what was happening
[13:15] <scoundrel50a_> I honestly think it is as simple as finding out what is turning the backlight off
[13:16] <scoundrel50a_> if this little netbook, Acer Aspire One can work on 11.04 I dont understand why my Lsptop which is the same make cant work either
[13:16] <tjaalton> you can blacklist the i915 kernel module, but you'd have a "crippled" system then
[13:17] <tjaalton> "the same make" != "the same hw"
[13:17] <scoundrel50a_> but if I have a crippled system that isnt worth using then
[13:17] <tjaalton> i bet the netbook doesn't have intel GM45 on it
[13:17] <tjaalton> then stick with maverick
[13:17] <scoundrel50a_> dont know
[13:17] <tjaalton> or lucid
[13:17] <tjaalton> which is lts
[13:18] <scoundrel50a_> I think I am going to have to. Its Maverick
[13:18] <scoundrel50a_> thank you I really appreciate the help
[13:18] <scoundrel50a_> I hope they manage to find out why it keeps turning the backlight off
[13:19] <tjaalton> an upstream bugreport might help..
[13:19] <scoundrel50a_> how can I do that?
[13:20] <tjaalton> sign in on bugs.freedesktop.org and file it under xorg, driver/intel
[13:22] <scoundrel50a_> ok, not seen that before, will try set up an account an file a report, thank you
[13:24] <tjaalton> actually, use product DRI and component DRM/Intel
[13:29] <scoundrel50a_> what version?
[13:30] <scoundrel50a_> and should I add an attatchment of anything?
[13:31] <tjaalton> leave the version
[13:33] <tjaalton> you could boot with adding 'drm.debug=0x02' to the kernel options
[13:34] <ScottK> RAOF: Is http://wstaw.org/m/2011/06/06/plasma-desktopcs1575.jpg what's supposed to happen when someone reports a bug on xserver-xorg-video-intel?
[13:34] <tjaalton> either by editing the grub boot entry when selecting the kernel, or add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" in /etc/default/grub
[13:36] <scoundrel50a_> tjaalton: ok, will try adding that to the grub file, just finishing the bug report
[13:36] <RAOF> ScottK: In Natty, or in Oneiric?  It is in natty, because the bugs filed post-release are generally of very low quality.
[13:37] <ScottK> It was natty.
[13:38] <RAOF> Bryce added that to the apport hook for natty post-release; a lot of the bugs that we get post-release for X *are* support requests, and so aren't well-handled on launchpad.
[13:38] <jcristau> a non-question with a question mark and yes/no answers?
[13:38] <ScottK> One of our more technical users was a bit put off by it, but was cool with it once I explained.
[13:38] <ScottK> In fact, there he is now.
[13:39]  * ScottK waves to jussi.
[13:39] <jussi> heya ScottK
[13:39] <RAOF> jcristau: Hm.  Now that I *read* it more thoroughly, it could do with a bit of a reword :)
[13:39] <ScottK> I've started using 'convert to a question' more, but you're right, that doesn't really solve the problem.
[13:40] <RAOF> It went through a couple of revisions; at first it pointed more directly at askubuntu.com, and that resulted in a lot of poor quality questions there :/
[13:41] <ScottK> That sounds like progress at least.
[13:41] <ScottK> Poor quality questions in the place for questions beats poor quality questions on the bug tracker.
[13:44] <jussi> I think it may be useful to reword the second option to include something like "Im sure its a bug" or something, rather than the only options being that it started after an update or I talked to people already. It doesnt leave much room for "I understand what Im doing, I want to report the bug"
[13:45] <ScottK> The problem is everyone thinks they know what they are doing.
[13:45] <RAOF> Heh.
[13:46] <jussi> Hrm
[13:47] <RAOF> I think it could do with a re-wording, and we'll likely do the same thing once 11.10 ships.  Would you consider sending a mail to ubuntu-x?
[13:47] <jussi> RAOF: of course I can do that -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>
[13:48] <RAOF> Yup.
[13:50] <jussi> Ok, Ill try send it this afternoon. If you get a chance, please take a look at bug 793487 :) (and scream at me for all the things Ive missed telling you).
[13:50] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 793487 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu does not shut down when external monitor attached through displayport (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/793487
[13:59] <scoundrel50a_> tjaalton: hi I entered a bug, its #37986
[13:59] <jussi> RAOF: sent. Hope that isnt too log'sy.
[14:03] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a_: ok, now add the drm.debug=0x02 to the kernel options so the kern.log gets debugging info about the state
[14:04] <scoundrel50a_> so how do I do that? Would not have a clue
[14:05] <jussi> bryceh: looks like my message got caught in moderation or rejected. do I need to resend now Im subscribed or can you just accept it?
[14:07] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a_: scroll back..
[14:11] <jussi> bryceh: never mind, I resent.
[14:16] <scoundrel50a_> tjaaltonnow you lsot me, if I add that to /etc/default/grub how do I add it to the bug report? I have no clue, sorry, I have not entered a bug report before.
[14:18] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a_: add it to /etc/default/grub, run update-grub, boot with the bad kernel, then boot with the good one and edit kern.log to only have the bootlog from the bad kernel, attach that to the bugreport...
[14:18] <tjaalton> that=the edited log
[14:20] <scoundrel50a_> ok, I know you are going to kill me when I ask this, but how do I edit kern.log to only have bootlog from bad kernel......as I said this is completely new to me.......I am really sorry. :(
[14:20] <tjaalton> so you have a program you use to edit /etc/default/grub...
[14:20] <tjaalton> now copy kern.log somewhere and edit it
[14:21] <tjaalton> ..
[14:22] <tjaalton> it's big, but you'll find the new stuff at the end
[14:23] <tjaalton> or just attach the whole file, but remember to mark it as text/plain
[14:25] <scoundrel50a_> ok, added drm.debug=0x02 to /etc/default/grub ran update-grub and got this error /etc/default/grub: 13: drm.debug=0x02: not found.......it wont update now
[14:26] <scoundrel50a_> ok, added drm.debug=0x02 to /etc/default/grub ran update-grub and got this error /etc/default/grub: 13: drm.debug=0x02: not found.......it wont update now
[14:27] <scoundrel50a_> oh, sorry about that, dont know why it posted twice
[14:27] <tjaalton> you need to add it inside the double quotes in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""...
[14:27] <scoundrel50a_> ohhh
[14:29] <scoundrel50a_> updating now,
[14:31] <scoundrel50a_> ok done that, now I have opened the kern.log what do I add, to the log?
[14:34] <tjaalton> not add, delete the stuff that aren't interesting
[14:35] <tjaalton> which kernel did you boot?
[14:35] <scoundrel50a_> the broken one, now i am booting the old one, Maverick
[14:36] <tjaalton> which broken one, natty or 3.0-rc1
[14:36] <tjaalton> ?
[14:36] <scoundrel50a_> I see what you mean about editing, if I can work out what we need
[14:37] <tjaalton> so you can skip everything else, just take what was generated by the previous boot, and why not the current one that's with the known good kernel
[14:38] <tjaalton> +also
[14:40] <scoundrel50a_> I dont have natty, I only have 3.0-rc1 I am looking through now, but cant work out when it started from booting to 3.0-rc1, I found something that talks about backlight, trying to look through
[14:41] <tjaalton> sure you do
[14:41] <tjaalton> check the timestamps
[14:42] <tjaalton> and the version string
[14:42] <scoundrel50a_> even found something about status failed, timestamps are what I found
[14:43] <hyperair>  /aw
[14:43] <hyperair> oops
[14:43] <tjaalton> "Linux version 3.0.0-0300rc1-generic", search for that
[14:44] <scoundrel50a_> ok, completely lost, can I give you the file in pastebin, so you edit it? I honestly dont know what I am looking for.
[14:44] <tjaalton> no
[14:45] <tjaalton> if you can't edit it, then attach the whole file as text/plain mimetype
[14:46] <scoundrel50a_> I think I will have to do that, as I cant see what I am looking for......
[14:46] <tjaalton> you can't search for a string?
[14:46] <tjaalton> what editor are you using?
[14:53] <scoundrel50a_> sorry I havent got back to you, trying to add the file, but getting an error saying its too big, even though I set it to plain text.....have to pastebin it, by the looks of things.
[14:54] <tjaalton> it won't stay there forever
[14:55] <scoundrel50a_> Its times like this I wish I was younger and went to college to learn about computers
[14:55] <tjaalton> or buy machines that are certified ;)
[15:06] <scoundrel50a_> kern.log added, edited, but not sure if it is in the right place
[15:06] <scoundrel50a_> added the kern.log as attachment
[15:09] <tjaalton> yeah, looks good
[15:10] <scoundrel50a_> ok, I have to say, that was the most difficult thign i have done in ages, I love Ubuntu, but sometimes it is really confusing using it and the things associated with it.
[15:10] <scoundrel50a_> Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it
[15:27] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a_: can you see a blinking cursor or the "ubuntu" splash-screen when the machine is booting up, and does the backlight turn off right when the login screen appears?
[15:32] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a_: also, you could try editing /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf, and add a line that says "blacklist acer_wmi", then try booting the 3.0-rc1 kernel
[15:33] <tjaalton> could be that it's conflicting with the i915 graphics module, both fighting for the acpi backlight control
[15:44] <tjaalton> at least that's something not loaded with the maverick kernel, so maybe blacklisting it will fix the issue
[15:49] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a_: I added that to the bug too, update it with what you find out
[15:49] <tjaalton> gotta run ->
[17:24] <scoundrel50a_> its booting up now
[18:07] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a_: booting up, as in working fine or not?
[18:11] <scoundrel50a_> not working
[18:12] <tjaalton> is the latest log with the acer_wmi module blacklisted?
[18:13] <scoundrel50a_> yes
[18:13] <scoundrel50a_> and still doesnt work
[18:13] <scoundrel50a_> no, sorry, just got what you meant, i WILL HAVE TO POST THAT NOW. sORRY
[18:14] <scoundrel50a_> sorry about caps
[18:14] <tjaalton> thanks :)
[18:14] <scoundrel50a_> on netbook
[18:41] <scoundrel50a_> tjaalton: have added the kern.log hope its worked properly
[18:56] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a_: ok, add to the upstream bug that this was with the acer_wmi module blacklisted
[20:25] <bjsnider> ricotz, have you noticed anything weird about the numlock key in gnome 3? Mine is chaotic. the key needs to be off for the numpad to work, or something
[21:13] <ricotz> bjsnider, havent noticed this, works for me as expected


[06:13] <soee> good morning
[07:28] <apachelogger> !find GLES2/gl2.h
[07:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what are we sessioning about with kf5?
[07:29] <apachelogger> !find EGL/egl.h
[07:40] <apachelogger> E: kapidox source: source-is-missing src/kapidox/data/htmlresource/jquery-2.1.0.min.js
[07:40] <apachelogger> :O
[07:40] <apachelogger> how does that even happen
[07:41] <yofel> someone thought: it's a text file so it counts as source? ^^
[07:42] <apachelogger> well, eitherway, why is it missing
[07:42] <apachelogger> or how can something go missing?
[07:42] <yofel> not even git has the unminified js :(
[07:42] <yofel> oh fun, agateau added that
[07:43] <apachelogger> why would one have an uniminified version anyway
[07:44] <yofel> source means readable source, i.e. something that doesn't qualify as unmaintainble code ^^
[07:44] <apachelogger> eh?
[07:44] <apachelogger> how would it check that?
[07:44] <apachelogger> and why
[07:44] <apachelogger> :O
[07:44] <apachelogger> wtf
[07:45] <yofel> iirc that really checks for the 'min' part in the filename
[07:47] <apachelogger> it's almost as if the lintian dev doesn't have anything else to do but lintian has all the useful stuff so he's adding important features like telling me whether I can read the javascript or not
[07:57] <agateau> yofel: I could keep the unminified js in the source code but then I would have to either minify it everytime someone generates a doc or at install time but that would mean removing the ability to run kgenapidox without installing it :/
[07:58] <agateau> yofel: there is an interesting bit about jquery in Doxygen package, you may want to look at /usr/share/doc/doxygen/README.jquery
[08:03] <yofel> agateau: well, yeah, but they do ship the unminfied version in the source so they're fine
[08:03] <yofel> ScottK: do we need to fix ^ and would shipping both files be enough?
[08:04] <agateau> yofel: the difference is Doxygen is compiled so they do not need to support the "run without installing" use case
[08:05] <agateau> yofel: would it be enough to add the unminified file in the source, even if it is not used?
[08:05] <yofel> that's what I just asked scott, I'm not sure there
[08:05] <agateau> ok
[08:07] <agateau> I could also adjust the code so that installing kapidox would generate the minified file from the unminified file, while running from the source code would directly use the minified file
[08:46] <Riddell> agateau: yes adding the unminified source without build instructions should be fine as long as you would sensibly run the minify command manually and not through a build system
[08:47] <Riddell> nicer to have it included in the build system though
[08:47] <agateau> Riddell: not sure I understand the second part of your sentence
[08:48] <Riddell> agateau: GPL requires all build scripts to be included, if there's no build script then that's fine
[08:48] <agateau> how can it be fine to not ship a build script if it is required to include it?
[08:49] <Riddell> if it doesn't exist
[08:49] <Riddell> maybe you create that file by running a command by hand
[08:52] <Riddell> maco, valorie: gonnae tell your president to stay out of oor politics unless he wants to be re-colonised
[08:52] <valorie> what did he say?
[08:52]  * valorie calms the angry Scot
[08:53] <Riddell> "Scottish independence: Barack Obama backs 'strong and united' UK" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27713327
[08:53] <valorie> ooooo
[08:53] <valorie> silly Obama
[08:54] <valorie> the US president told reporters in Brussels the decision was "up to the people of Scotland".
[08:55] <valorie> he might have wanted to avoid the comparisons with the Crimea
[08:55] <valorie> although that is really not a comparison that can be made
[08:55] <Riddell> I don't see anything about Crimea
[08:56] <Riddell> he also said "the future of the UK is up to the people of Great Britain" which is just weird
[08:57] <valorie> yes, he should have said nothing about it IMO
[08:57] <valorie> not our business
[09:01]  * valorie leaves a great old video here and goes to bed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9J5Zt2Obko
[09:01] <valorie> best drummer *ever*
[09:01] <valorie> no invasions of angry Scots by morning, I hope.....
[09:01] <Riddell> no no, he should have said "we were free in 1776, what took the scots so long" :)
[09:34] <ScottK> yofel: Yes, you need to fix and shipping both files is enough.
[09:38]  * Riddell comes across a comparison of oxygen font and ubuntu font https://projects.kde.org/news/179
[09:39] <yofel> ScottK: ok thanks
[10:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:26] <shadeslayer> ScottK: mind merging pykde4?
[10:46] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No.  Although when depends on if I fall asleep on the plane or not.
[10:46] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[10:48] <yofel> speaking of python: If you have using python for GUI apps, how about this? http://micropython.org/ :D
[10:48] <yofel> *hate
[10:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: Minified JavaScript is definitely not the preferred form of modification, so it's not source.
[10:49] <apachelogger> neither is perl.
[10:51] <ScottK> agateau: As upstream it would be ideal for us (and Debian) if you could ship only the un-minified one in the source and then minify it as part of the build process.
[10:53] <ScottK> Perl is write only, so it's a bit special.
[10:55] <apachelogger> :@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[10:56] <apachelogger> frameworks shit is driving me mad I tell ya
[10:56] <apachelogger> MAD
[10:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the status of that? can we start uploading KF5 packages to utopic today?
[10:59] <Riddell> ubiquity not working on today's daily-live, I wonder if I risk a dist-upgrade
[11:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: shoudl be uploaded
[11:09] <apachelogger> or maybe ppa is hating me again
[11:10] <yofel> I see nothing for utopic
[11:10] <apachelogger> ah I should hit enter I guess
[11:10] <apachelogger> too many flipping terminals open really
[11:10] <yofel> ^^
[11:11] <Riddell> we'll probably have to delete the trusty packages to get enough sapce
[11:11] <apachelogger> nah
[11:11] <apachelogger> oh
[11:11] <apachelogger> wgrant: can we please get a bump to 10 GiB for https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next
[11:12] <apachelogger> or 5 would be enough as well I guess
[11:13] <yofel> should still have enough space for the upload I think, but we'll have to remove the trusty packages after that
[11:13] <apachelogger> or just get a space bump :S
[11:14] <yofel> well, if that takes too long I mean
[11:16] <yofel> err
[11:16] <yofel> no?
[11:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: why override that? seems pretty important
[11:18] <apachelogger> yes
[11:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: Unless the source is really there, don't override that.
[11:19] <ScottK> It's an issue that should cause it to be rejected by the archive admins.
[11:20] <apachelogger> because it has no pointless whitespaces?
[11:21] <ScottK> That would be one way to look at it. For humans the white space isn't pointless.
[11:21] <yofel> because it's unreadable, and just because you can magically understand character garbage doesn't mean others can too
[11:23] <Riddell> it's not preferred modifiable form, so it's not allowed as source
[11:25] <apachelogger> so if I were to use shit variable names in code woud that code get rejected?
[11:25] <ScottK> Not if that's the actual source.
[11:26] <apachelogger> that makes 0 sense
[11:27] <ScottK> If you're using the machine readable copyright format it's really easy to fix using Files-Excluded.
[11:27] <yofel> from what I saw you can also put the source file in debian/missing-sources or so
[11:27] <Riddell> whatever your preferred modifiable form is that's fine, minified javascript is nobody's preferred modifiable form
[11:29] <snele> guys is 4.13.1 update coming anytime soon to trusty?
[11:29] <apachelogger> so, what if I had an editor that stored stuff in minified and expanded on its own?
[11:29] <yofel> snele: should be in -proposed unless it's still stuck
[11:30] <yofel> apachelogger: it's supposed to be readable even without $special_editor
[11:30] <snele> yofel: ok I will enable -proposed and give it a test. thanks
[11:30] <yofel> or I guess you could ship the editor with the source
[11:30] <apachelogger> yofel: right, so what if I used shit variable names in my code?
[11:31] <yofel> apachelogger: as scott said, if that's the actual source no issue. min.js has a source that it's minified from
[11:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: That doesn't make it source.   If you could de-minify, you could include the results as source,  but the minified one is still not preferred form for modification.
[11:31] <apachelogger> how do you know it's the actual source?
[11:31] <Riddell> "preferred modifiable form" is a key part of the GPL and of archive admin reviews, it shouldn't be a novelty to anyone involved in free software
[11:32] <ScottK> If it's minified, it's not.
[11:32] <apachelogger> right, so if I use shit variables
[11:32] <Riddell> that's your problem
[11:32] <yofel> snele: not yet in :/
[11:33] <snele> yofel: yeah just saw that
[11:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: how is that any different from not using any whitespaces
[11:33] <yofel> ScottK: could you look at sc 4.13.1 in trusty-proposed unapproved please?
[11:33] <apachelogger> this argument is yanked from someones ass I tell you
[11:33] <apachelogger> if I write javascript without whitespaces, will it get rejected?
[11:33] <yofel> if you have a source that has whitespaces, I would say yes
[11:34] <apachelogger> how do you know if I have a source that has whitespaces
[11:34] <ScottK> yofel: after the airplane takes off, if the WiFi works, and if I don't fall asleep,  yes.
[11:34] <yofel> ok, thanks
[11:35] <yofel> apachelogger: well, I might not, in which case I might not reject it, but if I can find a source from it I would
[11:35] <yofel> *for it
[11:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: if you can write javascript without whitespace I'd be amazed, but then you often do amaze me
[11:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: There was recently a huge debate about this in Debian.   It's pretty well a closed issue.
[11:37] <ScottK> There is sometimes ambiguity about what's source, but I've yet to see minified JavaScript where it was at all uncertain.
[11:37] <apachelogger> sometimes?
[11:38] <apachelogger> the entire thing says preferred
[11:38] <ScottK> Yep.
[11:38] <apachelogger> I'd prefer it software to not have shitty variable names
[11:40] <ScottK> If I have a graphic file of some kind, it might have been made in gimp and there's a source.   The gimp file (pcx, IIRC) might have been lost or not save and all you can do is bit edit the graphic file.
[11:42] <ScottK> If you have the pcx that's the source. If you don't then it's the png (or whatever).
[11:42] <apachelogger> no one would ever know
[11:43] <apachelogger> I could have made it from a svg for all you know, I could have made it in kolourpaint, imported the png into svg, exported to png, edited in gimp
[11:43] <ScottK> Yes. So for that kind of file it can be hard to tell.
[11:44] <apachelogger> I could write fancy fromatted javascript, minified, autoexpanded
[11:44] <apachelogger> you'd also never know
[11:44] <apachelogger> complete bullshit policy
[11:45] <yofel> FWIW: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/08/msg00365.html has pretty much the whole discussion in it already
[11:45] <ScottK> No. Minified JavaScript isn't one of those ambiguous cases.
[11:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: you have autoexpanded code in the tar
[11:46] <apachelogger> you couldn't possibly tell whether that was autoexpanded or I whether I am terrible at code formatting
[11:47] <yofel> for that matter, shipping jars would be allowed too - you can make jars that can be cleanly decompiled
[11:47] <ScottK> Also related: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/04/msg00014.html
[11:48] <ScottK> No.  Jars aren't allowed either.
[11:48] <yofel> right
[11:48] <apachelogger> yofel: that's not the same thing
[11:48] <apachelogger> I have a png
[11:48] <apachelogger> a run pngcrush on the png
[11:49] <apachelogger> that is now like minified js
[11:49] <ScottK> Gotta go.
[11:49] <yofel> have a nice trip :)
[11:49] <Riddell> you'd still modify that png fine
[11:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: and you can't modify minified js?
[11:50] <Riddell> no, it's not the preferred form for modifications
[11:50] <apachelogger> it is still js?
[11:50] <apachelogger> just like the png is stilla png after pngcrush, it doesn't magically become an unmodifiable png
[11:50] <yofel> apachelogger: seriously, if you have a problem with this, take this up on debian-devel so the interpretation of the DFSG gets changed, until then it stays that most people believe that minified js is not the preferred form of modification
[11:51] <apachelogger> I have a problem with you people actually supporting that
[11:51] <yofel> well, then a pre-compiled bin is hex-editable as well, as I said that jars are editable too
[11:52] <apachelogger> yofel: my argument is that it is the same thing
[11:52] <apachelogger> it's still js, it's badly formatted js
[11:52] <yofel> so we need to draw *some* line in this very fuzzy definiton of source
[11:52] <apachelogger> it's js
[11:52] <apachelogger> I can edit with the same software I could edit js with
[11:52] <apachelogger> I can read it like I can read js
[11:52] <apachelogger> I can do everything I can do with js
[11:52] <apachelogger> but magically one is considered unacceptable and the other is not
[11:53] <yofel> right, and this was already discussed as there is some point in it. But if we *know* that there is a source for $js, then that source should still be included
[11:53] <apachelogger> and if I wrote the exactly same file originally without ever having used pointless whitespaces or \n it'd also be considered acceptable
[11:53] <yofel> go file a bug against lintian that the check is rubbish and should be removed
[11:54] <apachelogger> [13:51] <apachelogger> I have a problem with you people actually supporting that
[11:54] <apachelogger> if you say you support it because of lintian then I'll ask you to write a manpage for muon-discover please
[11:55] <yofel> If I see 2 js with the same content, and I want to edit it, and you give me the hard to read one, why would I not want the other one plesae?
[11:55] <yofel> apachelogger: missing manpage is not a DFSG issue
[11:55] <Riddell> I feel this discussion is no longer useful, you're against the consensus apachelogger
[11:56] <apachelogger> yeah
[11:56] <yofel> apachelogger: I don't think that you're completely wrong, but Javascript is a shitpile of special cases sadly
[11:56] <yofel> if people would never have started minfying it we wouldn't have this talk
[11:58] <yofel> apachelogger: so, are you removing the override or should I?
[11:58] <apachelogger> I'll not
[11:58] <yofel> ok, removing
[12:00] <Riddell> more's the question, is agateau fixing upstream or should someone else?
[12:01] <agateau> Riddell: I am happy with adding an unminified jquery version upstream
[12:01] <Riddell> thanks agateau
[12:12] <agateau> Riddell: Assuming src/jquery contains the unminified version as well as this README: http://paste.kde.org/pbyepm4pm . Would it be good enough?
[12:15] <Riddell> agateau: yep
[12:17] <agateau> Riddell: done
[12:21] <Riddell> sweet, a dist-upgrade to utopic works!
[12:21] <Riddell> deleted trusty packages from next PPA
[12:22] <yofel> dist-upgrade sure works, how does it run? ^^
[12:25] <Riddell> much like trusty
[12:27] <yofel> sweet
[12:35] <Riddell> so blue http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.100.0_utopic.html
[12:40]  * Riddell uploads ecm
[12:52] <ScottK> yofel: kde4libs for trusty needs a reupload with the SRU bug in debian/changelog
[12:53] <yofel> ScottK: ok, please reject then, I'll re-upload
[12:53] <ScottK> yofel: Already rejected.
[12:53] <yofel> thanks
[12:55] <yofel> Riddell: if you fix things in the PPA SRU packages, please merge your changes into the SRU changelog instead of adding new changelog entries
[12:55] <yofel> the upload script doesn't auto-merge that
[12:57] <yofel> Riddell: also, does the update for kubuntu_add_langpack_path.diff really need to be in trusty?
[13:01] <Riddell> yofel: it did but not now we've moved kf5 stuff to utopic
[13:03] <yofel> I'll remove that from the SRU then, we can have it in the 4.14 backports later on
[13:04] <Riddell> thanks yofel
[13:12] <yofel> ScottK: new try uploaded
[13:43] <Riddell> "debian/rules:8: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?).  Stop."
[13:43]  * Riddell looks at apachelogger
[14:10] <santa_> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/kubuntu-packaging-next/kapidox-work/+merge/222328 :P
[14:10] <santa_> realized this yesterday just before going to bed
[14:11] <santa_> I had that problem in my first siduction porting attempt
[14:26] <Riddell> santa_: groovy, that's what I need
[15:01] <ScottK> yofel: accepted libs. I'll do the rest after it builds.
[15:15] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[15:56]  * yofel uploaded lintian versions of pkg-kde-tools to next and ninjas
[15:57] <Riddell> thanks
[16:13] <kubotu> feed branches had 8 updates, showing the latest 6
[16:13] <santa_> I'm building the latest kdeframeworks packages for siduction
[16:14] <santa_> some extra stuff was needed, like libdbusmenuqt, phonon and such
[16:15] <santa_> when it's done I will write you a list in notes.k.o so you would know what would be needed to change in debian if you want them to adopt your packages
[16:16] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 7 updates, showing the latest 6
[16:17] <santa_> http://derp.co.uk/0b11c
[16:17] <santa_> hacked buildd ftw
[16:19] <santa_> btw qt 5.3 is arriving to debian sid
[17:14] <yofel> considering that kf5 is supposed to always pass all tests, the amount of tests that rely on -DBUID_TESTING=TRUE is rather large :(
[18:21] <yofel> santa_: why... xauth?
[18:23] <santa_> yofel: it's needed for the tests apparently
[18:23] <yofel> I don't remember one failing
[18:24] <yofel> 100% tests passed, 0 tests failed out of 13
[18:25] <santa_> yofel: the relevant part of the build log http://paste.kde.org/pzrudvafc also note that this only happens in debian sid
[18:25] <yofel> sounds like a bug in xvfb packaging really
[18:25] <yofel> on ubuntu xvfb depends on xauth
[18:27] <yofel> hm,
[18:27] <yofel> xvfb recommends xauth in debian
[18:27] <yofel> rather unlucky
[18:27] <yofel> fine then I guess
[18:30] <yofel> yeah, kdelibs autopackagetest config depends on xauth too
[18:46] <yofel> fun, I lost sound after upgrading to utopic :(
[18:46] <yofel> and why do I have 2 pulseaudio processes running :S
[18:48] <genii> Maybe init and init.d both getting ran
[18:48] <yofel> could be
[18:50] <yofel> rc2.d certainly has S05pulseaudio -.-
[18:52] <yofel> still shouldn't be killing my sound device, now it's trying to output over HDMI which obviously won't work
[19:00] <yofel> ok fixed
[19:00] <yofel> now I would like to know why phonon switched sound cards on upgrade :S
[19:35] <BluesKaj> yofel, that happens quite often now, dunno why tho
[20:00] <ScottK> yofel: All accepted.
[20:00] <yofel> *hugs*
[21:03] <yofel> apachelogger: I just realized something about our patch policy: Where do patches coming from debian fit in there?
[21:03] <yofel> We either just accept them, or we try to get the team to go by the same policy (which I belive will be rejected for reasons that only debian understands), or we blacklist patches as violating our policy
[21:04] <yofel> well, or d) we do the upstreaming - up to the point where a patch gets rejected upstream but debian keeps it anyway
[21:13] <ScottK> Typically we keep them unless the cause an actual problem to keep the diff down.
[21:17] <yofel> yeah, but our patch policy isn't quite what we've typically been doing, although I guess we can decide after upstream review in those cases
[21:35] <ScottK> Patch policy should rhen also say something about minimizing diff with Debian.
[21:35] <ScottK> That's an overall Ubuntu project policy.
[21:36] <yofel> ah right, I guess we can agree on that