[12:42] <A4Tech> Is it possible to remove teams in launchpad?
[22:58] <jml> good morning Launchpadders


[18:42] <DomasoFan> hi all. seems unity 3d seems not to be all that accessible. any idea how to switch to unity 2d?
[19:00] <davmor2> DomasoFan: in what version?
[19:00] <DomasoFan> davmor2: in ubuntu 12.10
[19:00] <davmor2> DomasoFan: there is no 2d version
[19:00] <DomasoFan> davmor2: interestingly there is still the unity-2d package available in a very new version.
[19:01] <davmor2> DomasoFan: ah so it might be that it just isn't an install option anymore then nor is it on the iso image
[19:03] <DomasoFan> maybe. seems gnome-shell is more accessible than unity. i can't even read the unity dash.
[19:07] <davmor2> DomasoFan: write a bug for every issue you come across and mark it with an accessibility tag.  Let's see if it can't be bettered in 13.04, I appreciate it doesn't help you right now but it might in the future :(
[19:09] <DomasoFan> davmor2: seems not to be good advertisement for ubuntu already when it came out today. maybe they have a update for that pretty soon. its quite obvious. for the time being i will use gnome shell. works quite well as well. will also test ubuntu gnome shell remix which also should come out today as far as i know.
[19:13] <DomasoFan> TheMuso: hi. ubuntu 12.10 accessibility seems to have got a pretty hard hit for that 12.10 version it seems. the dash seems to be completely inaccessible.
[19:19] <DomasoFan> TheMuso: can you confirm?
[22:22] <Fudge> check the 2d package nd make sure its not jsut a bump
[22:24] <Fudge> just
[23:11] <AlanBell> davmor2: there is a bug where it isn't reading the dash icons for applications sometimes
[23:11] <AlanBell> it seems to mostly not read them, except occasionally it does, I have had it read shopping icons but not applications and sometimes nothing and sometimes everything
[23:11] <AlanBell> not quite sure what the reproduceable scenario is
[23:23] <TheMuso> Probably a caching issue, but as it is, unity's a11y needs to be re-architected around nux.


[00:08] <micahg> ncrfgs: use one flag or the other
[00:12] <ncrfgs> I ahve used only one
[00:12] <ncrfgs> I can't see anything like the second in the mozconfig I've used
[04:21] <[reed]> asac: ping
[04:21] <micahg> [reed]: anything I can help with?
[04:23] <[reed]> micahg: network-manager question
[04:23] <[reed]> specifically, VPN
[04:24] <micahg> [reed]: nope :), sorry, maybe cyphermox can help?
[04:24] <cyphermox> [reed] what is your question?
[04:25] <cyphermox> or perhaps come  ask in #nm
[04:29] <micahg> cyphermox: [reed] is one of our upstream mozilla contacts, so that's why he asked here
[04:32] <crimsun> asac: we don't carry the necessary kernel patch to eliminate the stuttering.
[04:32] <crimsun> fta: I'm 100% certain that symptom has nothing to do with pulse
[04:34] <cyphermox> cool
[08:49] <BUGabundo_remote> bom dia
[13:32] <gnomefreak> anyone have an update on how seamoney and lightning-sunbird are comming along?
[13:33] <gnomefreak> oh and we are dropping *ubuntu-desktop?
[14:00] <gnomefreak> i need to reboot but can someone try going to a java site using 3.6.2~hg20100223r33605+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[14:00] <gnomefreak> let me know if you crash or not. be right back
[15:01] <gnomefreak> anyone feel like sending me alot of emails? my email box seems to be weird
[15:06] <BUGabundo_remote> gnomefreak: sure
[15:07] <BUGabundo_remote> does your isp accept spam makerd level 3 ip?
[15:07] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: ubuntu.ase AT gmail DOT com
[15:07] <BUGabundo_remote> ahh gmail , forget it :)
[15:07] <BUGabundo_remote> sec
[15:08] <BUGabundo_remote> why are you making it hard on me to read the email?
[15:08] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[15:09] <BUGabundo_remote> batch one done
[15:10] <BUGabundo_remote> let me know whn I can send batch 2, gnomefreakm
[15:10] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: ok ill check in a few
[15:15] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: i only got one. maybe because the +#?
[15:21] <BUGabundo_remote> on your email client?
[15:21] <BUGabundo_remote> or web?
[15:21] <BUGabundo_remote> it should have been multiple
[15:21] <BUGabundo_remote> no prob
[15:22] <gnomefreak> email client. since it is the problem i feel
[15:22] <BUGabundo_remote> gnomefreak: 10 more
[15:22] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: thanks checking
[15:23] <gnomefreak> nope only got the 4 bug replies. let me check web
[15:24] <gnomefreak> oh shit sorry wrog box lol. i got 12 thanks that should do it :)
[15:24] <gnomefreak> im not seeing anywhere near as many as i used to. im now stumped
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> errr
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> as in you stop receving email?
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> or your client is not processing them?
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> tried IMAP and POP ?
[15:26] <gnomefreak76> oh well damn
[15:29] <BUGabundo_remote> got backlog gnomefreak?
[15:30] <gnomefreak> dont seem to
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> (2010-02-24 15:24:54) gnomefreak: im not seeing anywhere near as many as i used to. im now stumped
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> (2010-02-24 15:25:10) freenode: errr
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> (2010-02-24 15:25:17) freenode: as in you stop receving email?
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> (2010-02-24 15:25:24) freenode: or your client is not processing them?
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> (2010-02-24 15:25:29) freenode: tried IMAP and POP ?
[15:31] <gnomefreak> yes using pop imap == freezing
[15:34] <gnomefreak> i guess i will let that box go for a few days and see how many i get
[16:10] <micahg> _Tsk_: has comm-central branched?  I see tests for comm-192, but no repo in hg.m.o
[16:17] <_Tsk_> we haven't branched for released yet
[16:17] <_Tsk_> I don't know what cc does
[16:17] <_Tsk_> we have two trunks at the moment and too many people on trunk trunk instead of 192 trunk
[16:20] <micahg> _Tsk_: is there a link to the branch for 192?
[16:20] <_Tsk_> not yet
[16:20] <micahg> is there a tag for it?  how is it defined?
[16:20] <_Tsk_> the diff is how we build
[16:21] <_Tsk_> and what cc we fetch
[16:21] <micahg> k, well, maybe next week I'll try to fix our builds here...
[17:20] <brunoscunha> asac: since the latest karmic update (gnome network manager among other updates) I've lost my wired connection. Since I haven't been able to get the wired connection back. It tries to connect and then says wired network disconencted
[17:39] <fta> kenvandine, is there a list somewhere of the apps that will get Indicator Applet support? or at least, those users requested
[17:44] <fta> jdstrand, http://paste.ubuntu.com/383148/
[17:45] <jdstrand> fta: k, I'll look at it
[17:49] <jcastro> fta: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=indicator-application
[17:51] <fta> jcastro, thanks
[17:52] <fta> i see liferea and tucan are not there, too bad
[17:53] <BUGabundo_remote> woot https://chrome.google.com is down
[17:59] <jcastro> fta: anyone is welcome to file bugs and tag them (and also work on them)
[18:00] <fta> jcastro, i don't have time, that's why i'm not willing to file those bugs
[18:00] <fta> time + "to do it myself"
[18:01] <jcastro> heh
[18:01] <jcastro> fta: tbh it's been tough getting the stuff on the CD even finished.
[18:01] <jcastro> fta: perhaps after gnome(hopefully) accepts it as a blessed dep
[18:02] <fta> hm
[18:03] <fta> i like the concept, but it's still buggy, like it doesn't work to hide a window on x64
[18:03] <fta> and it forces me to change old habits
[18:03] <fta> :P
[18:04] <fta> i find it also two wide. 3 indicator icons are widers than 4 tray icons
[18:04] <fta> too wide
[18:04] <fta> lol
[18:14] <jcastro> I have someone looking at the bugs
[18:15] <jcastro> the too wide bit you'll have to ask on the ayatana mailing list
[18:25] <fta> ayatana?
[19:14] <fta> jcastro, filed bug 527267 instead
[19:14] <jcastro> cool
[19:14] <jcastro> what is that bird?
[19:15] <fta> tucan
[19:16] <jcastro> fta: I know it's a tucan, I mean what app?
[19:17] <fta> jcastro, tucan :)
[19:17] <fta> !info tucan
[19:17] <jcastro> wow that's cool
[21:06] <fta> lol http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=35639
[21:45] <BUGabundo> asac: what did you do with network !??
[21:45] <BUGabundo> I got no DHCP
[21:46] <BUGabundo> even when doing it manually :(
[22:08] <ccheney> asac: i think i got webkit working, suprisingly easily, it didn't even seem to require any gtk bits which i think seems odd
[22:08] <ccheney> asac: moving on to epiphany maybe something will show up then
[22:09] <ccheney> asac: perhaps the gtk stuff was only needed for video related bits
[22:09] <ccheney> i still need fix up the symbols though makeshlibs threw a fit
[22:28]  * ccheney hopes him adding the stuff in the patch makeshlibs spat out works
[23:09] <ccheney> hmm need to do soup-gnome now which requires libproxy


[03:44] <skellat> .wx kbys
[03:44] <jenni> Cover: Clear, Temp: 82.8°F (28.2°C), Dew Point: 48.6°F (9.2°C), Humidity: 30%, Apparent Temp: 81.1°F (27.3°C), Pressure: 29.77in (1008.03mb), Condition: Rain, Wind: Light air 2.3mph (3.7kmh) (↘) - Bicycle Lake Army Airfield, California, United States (Powered by Forecast, forecast.io)
[03:45] <skellat> .wx kppg
[03:45] <jenni> No information obtained from forecast.io for the given location: ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?,
[03:45] <skellat> Hunh, let's see if we can try that from a different angle
[03:45] <skellat> .wx 96799
[03:45] <jenni> Cover: Overcast, Temp: 83.6°F (28.7°C), Dew Point: 76.2°F (24.6°C), Humidity: 78%, Apparent Temp: 92.4°F (33.6°C), Pressure: 29.84in (1010.35mb), Condition: Partly Cloudy Day, Wind: Moderate breeze 13.9mph (22.3kmh) (→) - Pago Pago, As, American Samoa (Powered by Forecast, forecast.io)


[00:06] <aaditya> kevin9286049: what color?
[00:06] <kevin9286049> aaditya: black.
[00:07] <kevin9286049> good question aaditya, not sure what i would do with a red one
[00:07] <aaditya> I'd use pepper spray on it and then watch it squirm.
[00:08] <aaditya> ...before I start squirming myself.
[00:09] <kevin9286049> yeah, i wouldn't do that
[02:55] <iheartubuntu1> i cant believe nhaines got out of DMV so quick! nice job
[02:58] <akk> Last time I had to go to DMV, what worked best: check the waiting times at all the local DMVs and rush to the one with the shortest waiting time.
[02:58] <akk> It's really helpful having that info online.
[03:04] <iheartubuntu1> i told them to go to another DMV too
[03:04] <akk> Appointments at the DMV often don't seem to save any time.
[03:05] <akk> The appt line is shorter but sometimes they also call the numbers less often.
[03:05] <akk> But they use that horrid system of random letters where it's impossible to estimate how much time is left. :(
[03:06] <pleia2> california's dmv is pretty horrible all around (at least the location in SF)
[03:07] <akk> In SF you're not supposed to do car stuff anyway. :)
[03:10] <nhaines> akk: haha, that's what I did!  They released an Android app just a couple days ago.
[03:11] <nhaines> The plan was to survey all the non-appointment times for all local DMVs and then rush to the northernmost one.  But the jokes on me, I went south 10 miles.  :(
[03:12] <pleia2> akk: even though I don't drive much, I needed a license
[03:13] <pleia2> states get cranky if I keep my PA license!
[03:13] <nhaines> pleia2: state ID card>
[03:13] <akk> I was joking, pleia2, honest!
[03:13] <pleia2> hehe
[03:13] <akk> And she'd need to go to the DMV even for an ID card.
[03:13] <pleia2> new jersey DMV is pretty awful too
[03:16] <pleia2> both would be better if they hired nice people (or didn't ruin people by making their jobs horrible?)
[03:16] <nhaines> akk: just to keep her PA driver's license, I mean.  :)
[03:16] <nhaines> Everyone wass actually super friendly at the DMV today.
[03:17] <akk> That helps!
[03:17] <akk> Though I think friendliness and short lines tend to go together.
[03:17] <akk> The super-crowded DMVs and post offices get customers grumpy about having waited so long, so they're rude to the staff, so the staff get grumpy too.
[03:18] <pleia2> yeah
[03:18] <pleia2> they should have a greeter!
[03:18] <akk> ew, I hate greeters
[03:18] <pleia2> hehe
[03:19] <akk> DMV does usually have a greeter, though ... a "start here" person who gives you the appropriate line-waiting number/letter combo.
[03:19] <pleia2> well, instead there was a guy walking around yelling at people for being in the wrong lines and having the wrong forms, and refusing to tell anyone the right line or right form to use
[03:19] <pleia2> ^^ the "start here" guy
[03:19] <nhaines> haha
[03:19] <akk> great! how helpful
[03:19] <pleia2> and I didn't bring a pen, I got yelled at for that too, they don't have pens
[03:20] <akk> How evil of you not to know that!  DMV.
[03:29] <iheartubuntu1> :)
[03:29] <pleia2> my speakers are unhappy when move the screen on my netbook :(
[03:29] <pleia2> the speaker wires in hinges are probably unwell
[03:29] <iheartubuntu1> sucks!
[03:30] <akk> aw, your netbook isn't that old!
[03:30] <akk> no fair
[03:30] <pleia2> almost 2.5 years, isn't that old in laptop years? :)
[03:30] <akk> Wow, is it? I thought it was under a year.
[03:31] <pleia2> nah, got it for christmas in 2008
[03:31] <akk> I'm not the person to ask, though, the person who's still using a mobile pentium laptop. :)
[03:31] <pleia2> yeah, my real laptop is a p3 (this is a netbook!)
[03:31] <pleia2> but the p3 is almost done, it can't do wifi anymore
[03:31] <pleia2> no built in wifi, and the pcmcia slots are toast
[03:32] <nhaines> Aww.
[03:32] <akk> d got his p3 laptop's pcmcia slot repaired a while back (but now he has a newer netbook).
[03:33] <akk> My p3 still works, but I don't use it much 'cause I like the wider WXGA screen on the other laptop.
[04:44] <nhaines> Well, so much for nethack.  I managed to feed my pony and retame him but depsite the trapdoor getting me to level 3, the return to level 2 for my pony claimed my life.
[04:48]  * pleia2 chuckles
[06:04] <pleia2> Flannel: Eureka has gone walkabout again!
[06:04] <pleia2> anyway, finally got around to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/March
[06:05] <pleia2> please add to it if I've missed anything :)
[06:09] <pleia2> and figured it was time to archive the 2010 meetings
[16:20] <kevin9286049> i thought this was cute:  "squishy circuits" http://091labs.com/2011/04/ted-talk-squishy-circuits/
[17:01] <iheartubuntu> i like the panel format too pleia2
[17:05] <pleia2> as a panelist or attendee?
[17:15]  * pleia2 gives Eureka a botsnack
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> panelist
[17:17] <iheartubuntu> i did this in 1999 at a reggae conference up in san jose. worked quite well and no one was under any pressure really. very relaxed
[17:18]  * iheartubuntu used to have natty dreadlocks (if u could believe)
[17:18] <kevin9286049> hey everybody.  iheartubuntu, how's the back doing?
[17:18] <iheartubuntu> a little better today thanks
[17:18] <iheartubuntu> doing simple stretches
[17:18] <kevin9286049> right on
[17:18] <iheartubuntu> hot showers
[17:19] <iheartubuntu> i was going to go to chiro yest, but i thought id wait till monday
[17:19] <iheartubuntu> if its still bad i'll go, but its getting better slowly.
[17:19] <kevin9286049> chiro?
[17:19] <iheartubuntu> chiropractor
[17:19] <kevin9286049> ah
[17:20] <iheartubuntu> i notice when im in shape i never need him :)
[17:20] <iheartubuntu> when im out of shape, i always need him (but never go)
[17:21] <kevin9286049> i don't think i've ever been to one
[17:21] <kevin9286049> never been much of a fan
[17:21] <iheartubuntu> another big quake in japan
[17:22] <sn9> how big?
[17:22] <pleia2> 7.4
[17:22] <sn9> ouch
[17:22] <akk> quite big :(
[17:22] <sn9> tsunami expected?
[17:22] <akk> I heard they cancelled the tsunami alert, but I'm not sure if that was a reliable source
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> these numbers mean nothing to pleia2 :|
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> the "tsunami" was 1 meter big
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> or 1 meter small
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> thankfully nothing like before
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> i dont think ive ever experienced a 7.4
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> and dont want to
[17:24] <sn9> how big was the northridge quake in '94?
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> 6.7
[17:25] <kevin9286049> there was a 7.x in the 80s
[17:25] <kevin9286049> first earthquake i remember
[17:25] <akk> In california? Where?
[17:25] <sn9> kevin9286049: 1989
[17:25] <iheartubuntu> the montebello one?
[17:25] <kevin9286049> sn9: sounds about right
[17:25] <sn9> loma prieta
[17:25] <akk> No, 1989 was 6.9 (loma prieta)
[17:25] <kevin9286049> oh i think whittier
[17:25] <iheartubuntu> yah whittier
[17:25] <iheartubuntu> i dont know if it was over 7.0 tho
[17:26] <iheartubuntu> whittier was 1987
[17:26] <iheartubuntu> 6.0
[17:26] <iheartubuntu> i was on top of that one at the epicenter. that was bad where i was
[17:26] <kevin9286049> hmmm weird
[17:26] <sn9> akk: the initial reports were 6.9, soon revised to 7.1, but that was on the richter, while the MMA scale said 7.0, later revised to 6.9
[17:26] <kevin9286049> yeah, says 5.9
[17:26] <iheartubuntu> the ground buckled and the windows on my school flexed in and out like a soapy bubble
[17:26] <kevin9286049> for whittier that is
[17:26] <iheartubuntu> then they broke
[17:27] <akk> sn9: Went the other way here -- initial reports were 7.1, revised down to 6.9 a few days later.
[17:27] <akk> whittier narrows in '87 was only 5.9
[17:27] <akk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_20th-century_earthquakes
[17:27] <sn9> akk: my memory is not THAT faulty
[17:28] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: I wouldn't say they "mean nothing to me" - I've watched lots of documentaries about earthquakes!
[17:28] <akk> sn9: I was working in SF, got to see the bay bridge out the window ... I remember it pretty clearly. :)
[17:28] <iheartubuntu> well :) in terms of being in a first big shaker
[17:28] <akk> (fortunately that building was on bedrock so we were fine, just lost power and had a long evening listening to someone's battery radio)
[17:29] <iheartubuntu> you know all about them. i hope u never experience one. what i dont like is they just appear, you have no time to plan.
[17:29] <sn9> akk: the snarled traffic on sunset blvd from dead stoplights led people to get out of their cars and yell "6.9!!!"
[17:30] <kevin9286049> thanks for the link akk.  i'm starting to think more earthquakes occur in northern california than down here
[17:31] <kevin9286049> what about the earthquake simulator, been in plenty of those
[17:31] <akk> sn9: You could tell at work who the native californians were -- we were leaning against the wall going "7.1." "Naw, just a 6.8." "C'mon, this has got to be at least 7.3."
[17:31] <iheartubuntu> LA is due for one a decent sized one. so northridge was the last one around here? thats been a while then
[17:32] <akk> sn9: and everybody else was going "OMG! We're going to die!!"
[17:32] <sn9> akk: i didn't actually feel it, being in a moving vehicle on 280 coming back from venrock
[17:33] <akk> We were on the fourth floor so we got some decent swaying. (I'm glad I wasn't in a skyscraper!)
[17:33] <akk> It felt like it lasted a really long time -- everybody overestimated the duration afterward.
[17:33] <pleia2> they tell me the ground beneath my building may liquify
[17:33] <akk> pleia2: :(
[17:33] <iheartubuntu> i was at home with some popcorn getting ready for the ballgame
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> are u in a newer building?
[17:34] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah, built in 2004
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> ohh not bad
[17:34] <akk> LA's weird, hard to predict 'cause the quakes always seem to come on previously un-noticed faults instead of the big ones.
[17:34] <akk> In the bay area it'll almost certainly be the San Andreas or the Hayward.
[17:34] <sn9> pleia2: yes, that part of town has some of the worst soil
[17:35] <akk> (though the Calaveras has been doing a lot of little quakes lately, but it's right next to the Hayward)
[17:35] <pleia2> they /say/ it's "fine" through a 7.0 and even worse than that it won't fall down (but may have unrepairable structural damage)
[17:36] <akk> Not falling down is good, The rest is the building owner's problem.
[17:37] <kevin9286049> /they/ say lots of things
[17:37] <pleia2> unfortunately we own, so we are partially building owners, we'd pretty much be sunk
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> literally and...
[17:38] <pleia2> indeed!
[17:38] <kevin9286049> how many stories is your building pleia2 ?
[17:38] <sn9> it's tall.
[17:38] <pleia2> the HOA actually looked into earthquake insurance, but the deductable was $5 million and it was something like $50/mo extra in dues for each unit
[17:38] <pleia2> kevin9286049: 16
[17:38] <pleia2> stories
[17:39] <sn9> the CEA made earthquake insurance completely unattainable, whereas it was previously a nobrainer
[17:39] <kevin9286049> well, i guess you'd own like 1/160th of the plot if the building was totally destroyed
[17:40] <kevin9286049> that is still valuable realestate
[17:40] <kevin9286049> not sure how much it would cost to build a new building there though
[17:40] <iheartubuntu> i dont think you own the land in america anymore. just the property on top of it
[17:40] <kevin9286049> i wonder if you saved $200,000 if that would be enough to cover the cost of rebuilding a single unit
[17:40] <sn9> kevin9286049: depends where
[17:40] <sn9> oops
[17:41] <sn9> iheartubuntu: depends where
[17:41] <pleia2> yeah, our deed includes elevation (I joked that if we sink, do we get the unit above us? :D)
[17:41] <kevin9286049> you own a 3d cube in the sky
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> sn9 - there is only one or two states now that allow full ownership. i think NH is one of them. i would have to double check
[17:41] <kevin9286049> i never thought of it that way before
[17:42] <sn9> iheartubuntu: also depends where in each state
[17:42] <sn9> most states have local ordinances that control it to a finer grain
[17:44] <kevin9286049> when i owned a condo, it was pretty much believed that if the condo was destroyed, that a new one would be built
[17:44] <kevin9286049> but i never checked the cc&rs or my deed to really check what land was mine
[17:45] <kevin9286049> well, that's not exactly true
[17:45] <akk> My understanding (which may be wrong) is that the diff between a condo and a house/townhouse is that with a condo you don't own the land underneath, with the others you do.
[17:45] <akk> And surely with farms and things, the whole point is owning the land? So in what way do you not really own it?
[17:45] <akk> I know sometimes mineral and water rights are split out separately.
[17:45] <kevin9286049> it was all parceled out.  so i owned this unit, this garage space on the deed
[17:45] <pleia2> the decision of whether to rebuild here would be upon the owners, who would mostly be banks and things once we all declare bankruptcy :\
[17:46] <iheartubuntu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title
[17:46] <kevin9286049> well, if your unit is ont he bottom floor then i suppose you own that piece of the land
[17:46] <kevin9286049> if that's true, then it may be in the interest of "banks and things" for your building to collapse O_O
[17:47] <kevin9286049> scary
[17:47] <kevin9286049> i hope there aren't crony capitalists staring at buildings wishing they would collapse
[17:47] <pleia2> no, I don't think they actually want to own a pile of rubble when mortgages are defaulted on
[17:48] <iheartubuntu> with eminent domain there is no such thing as true ownership in america anymore. a few states give you limited allodial titles
[17:49] <kevin9286049> as long as you're paying your mortgage, i suppose not pleia2
[17:49] <akk> I'm trying to make sense of that wikipedia page but, well, kinda tl;dr if you're just trying to answer "in what way don't I own my backyard"?
[17:49] <kevin9286049> well, you'd have to pay off your mortgage first anyway iheartubuntu
[17:49] <pleia2> kevin9286049: I suspect most people living here aren't wealthy enough to continue paying for a mortgage for a place they can no longer live in (we certainly aren't)
[17:50] <kevin9286049> it kind of makes me wonder exactly who gets shafted when a mortgage is defaulted on
[17:52] <kevin9286049> anyway, i just heard about this game:  http://springrts.com/wiki/Ubuntu_install
[17:52] <kevin9286049> i don't really have any projects to work on today
[17:53] <kevin9286049> i better go find some
[17:54] <kevin9286049> oh yeah, i'm following a house representative on twitter
[17:54] <kevin9286049> i couldn't find feinstein or boxer on twitter
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> ive heard of that company before
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> they make the game http://www.spring1944.org/
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> but i never did get it installed
[17:56] <kevin9286049> i haven't installed it either, i don't expect it to run very well on my hardware
[17:56] <kevin9286049> i wonder if it's multiplayer
[17:56] <kevin9286049> that would be cool
[17:56] <iheartubuntu> 6.5 quake in mexico now
[17:56] <kevin9286049> an rts that runs natively on linux
[17:56] <kevin9286049> rolling earthquakes
[17:57] <kevin9286049> well, i was thinking that i think buildings in SF that are surrounded by other buildings are unlikely to fall down
[17:57] <kevin9286049> the only way that it would is with like dynamite placed in the right spot
[17:57] <iheartubuntu> k, lets not worry pleia2 too much!
[17:58] <kevin9286049> i said *unlikely*
[17:58] <pleia2> I'm not actually worried :)
[17:58] <kevin9286049> not likely
[17:58] <kevin9286049> she's working on her acting, bravo!
[17:58] <kevin9286049> i thought you were worried too
[17:59] <kevin9286049> i wonder if nancy pelosi is on twitter
[17:59] <pleia2> there are many things in life that can go wrong, can't do much about earthquakes, worrying wastes cycles
[17:59] <kevin9286049> indeed she is
[18:00] <pleia2> as far as things that can go wrong I think terminal illness and loss of health insurance is probably higher on the list
[18:00] <kevin9286049> worrying is inefficient thinking
[18:00] <pleia2> (I have a cousin the ICU because she couldn't afford to go to the doctor and let a flu turn into life-threatening pneumonia)
[18:00]  * pleia2 does worry about her :(
[18:01] <akk> :(
[18:01] <kevin9286049> there really isn't much $ in preventive medicine
[18:01] <kevin9286049> i really don't worry much about people anymore
[18:01] <kevin9286049> i got tired of my concern being impotent
[18:02] <akk> Preventative medicine is too expensive for a lot of people.
[18:02] <kevin9286049> a lot of people have died in my family the last couple years
[18:02] <kevin9286049> starting in 2007 when my uncle died
[18:03] <kevin9286049> there are lots of ways things can be expensive.  time is one of them.
[18:04] <pleia2> hehe, michael paoli's hatred of vim is epic http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2011-April/003751.html
[18:05] <pleia2> I do sympathize with the frustration that vi is aliased to vim in a lot of distros
[18:05] <pleia2> (I don't care for plain vi, but if I did I'd be annoyed)
[18:05] <iheartubuntu> preventive medicine is probably best... such as... going on a walk and doing some exercises so i dont have back problems
[18:06] <pleia2> hehe
[18:06] <akk> Isn't it pretty much a superset? (I guess I should read the flame)
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> maybei  mean "care" and not medicine
[18:06] <akk> :q! always quits vim for me
[18:07] <pleia2> yeah, I've never had a problem either
[18:08] <iheartubuntu> hope she gets better pleia2 - is she stabilized now and doing better?
[18:09] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: it's still quite touch and go, a bunch of family members flew/drove to NY to be with her
[18:23] <nhaines> I've said it before, vi(m) has two modes: beep repeatedly and break everything.
[18:28] <iheartubuntu> thats good lyz
[18:59] <MarkDude> awesome Comcastic install http://twitpic.com/4hz4qy#
[19:01] <MarkDude> akk here is the earliest agreed upon start of the name. You can see that mr happy breakfast taco guy entered the fray also
[19:04] <kevin9286049> i finished installing this:  http://springrts.com/wiki/Ubuntu_install
[19:05] <kevin9286049> trying to log into a game now
[19:06] <nhaines> What type of game is it?
[19:07] <kevin9286049> rts
[19:08] <kevin9286049> i'm going to play with a touchpad
[19:08] <nhaines> I understand that.
[19:08] <kevin9286049> i'm doomed
[19:11] <iheartubuntu> is that the tank game?
[19:12] <iheartubuntu> or just the engine for all of their games
[19:13] <iheartubuntu> their star wars games looks nice http://www.imperialwinter.com/
[19:16] <kevin9286049> it's like a port of this game "total annihilation"
[19:16] <iheartubuntu> kev... it looks like that install page is just the engine for all the games in their games section
[19:16] <kevin9286049> i'm not having much luck playing it though
[19:17] <kevin9286049> iheartubuntu: yeah, if you log in to a multiplayer game it downloads the game for you
[19:17] <iheartubuntu> how big is the install
[19:55] <kevin9286049> i think like ~80MB iheartubuntu
[19:55] <kevin9286049> it doesn't run that well on my system though
[19:55] <kevin9286049> intel graphics are terrible for 3d
[19:55] <kevin9286049> which isn't exactly a secret
[19:55] <kevin9286049> i should stop chasing waterfalls
[19:55] <kevin9286049> i just watched a game though, was kind of interesting
[20:25] <kevin9286049> i see, the commercials on dailyshow are representative of the age demographic
[20:30] <nhaines> Woo, just cleared the first level in Nethack... even found a vault for the first time!
[21:08] <iheartubuntu> nhaines - are you playing the original nethack or the 3D fork of it
[21:09] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: the original. The 3D fork wouldn't work so well over ssh on a vps with 64MB RAM and no X. :)
[21:10] <nhaines> From my Android phone at lunch. ;)
[21:10] <iheartubuntu> ohhh :x
[21:42] <iheartubuntu> wow, a post on twitter about back pain and im getting "back pain" adverts now
[21:42] <The_Letter_M> lol
[21:46] <iheartubuntu> im guessing its some twitter bot that picked up my keyword
[21:58] <nhaines> Hmm, a partial upgrade of Unity....  looks like I shouldn't reboot at the moment.  ;)
[22:22] <The_Letter_M> Anyone familiar with connecting Dreamweaver to MySQL5.1; the SQL server in Linux and DW in Windows?
[22:28] <iheartubuntu> not at all sorry. i can get dreamweaver to work in ubuntu, but every time there is a wine update it messes up my dreamweaver
[22:28] <iheartubuntu> so ive just stopped using it
[22:28] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: that's not what he asked.  :)
[22:30] <The_Letter_M> oh
[22:30] <iheartubuntu> i know :)
[22:31] <The_Letter_M> What I have is Ubuntu with the LAMP Stack and then Virtualbox running WinXP with Dreamweaver running on it.
[22:31] <iheartubuntu> but i stopped using it because if wine upgrades
[22:31] <The_Letter_M> hehe
[22:31] <iheartubuntu> so dreamweaver is in XP virtually
[22:32] <The_Letter_M> I got MySQL configured so that it accepts remote connections and made a user for the remote connection
[22:32] <iheartubuntu> and mysql works in linux
[22:32] <The_Letter_M> but when Dreamweaver tries to connect it gives me "an unidentified error has occurred"
[22:33] <The_Letter_M> yes MySQL is working fine
[22:33] <The_Letter_M> the person I am doing this for has a site using Joomla with mySQL running on it
[22:35] <The_Letter_M> I think DW is just retarded
[22:45] <The_Letter_M> lol
[22:45] <kevin6888296> dreamweaver is connecting to mysql over the network then
[22:45] <The_Letter_M> Adobe has the worst forum search tool I have ever seen
[22:46] <The_Letter_M> well when I go to configure DW to connect to sql, it says "An Unidentified error has occurred"
[22:47] <kevin6888296> yeah, i got that earlier
[22:47] <kevin6888296> i'm assuming you already checked the web for the error
[22:47] <The_Letter_M> and I can connect to the sql server using the mysql command on another machine
[22:48] <The_Letter_M> Yeah. I've been googling all afternoon
[22:48] <kevin6888296> so you can connect to the mysql server from another machine over the network?
[22:48] <The_Letter_M> yeah
[22:49] <kevin6888296> you can try using google to search the adobe forums
[22:49] <iheartubuntu> thats what i was thinking. can you msql from within windows?, not using dreamweaver
[22:49] <kevin6888296> there's probably an app for that
[22:50] <kevin6888296> oh yeah, odbc should be able to connect to mysql
[22:50] <iheartubuntu> in the Windows Software Center? :)
[22:50] <kevin6888296> you mean Best Buy or Amazon?  :P
[22:50] <The_Letter_M> yeah
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> you might need a student ID to buy something for windows. its a lot cheaper
[22:51] <kevin6888296> there was a free odbc connector i used awhile ago that was a windows program
[22:51] <kevin6888296> had a little sql window and everything
[22:51] <The_Letter_M> I can connect from another Linux box. I didn't try the ODBC stuff in Windows though
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> can i migrate the files back to ubuntu and the do mysql from ubuntu
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> might be easier then dealing with dreamweaver or windows
[22:51] <kevin6888296> maybe that's how dreamweaver wants you to do it, through odbc
[22:51] <The_Letter_M> No
[22:52] <The_Letter_M> Dreamweaver seems to only support MySQL
[22:52] <kevin6888296> you should be able to test the connection to mysql from the odbc thingamabob in windows too
[22:52] <kevin6888296> that's hard to believe, but i don't have dreamweaver
[22:54] <iheartubuntu> if you dont weave dreams then you probably dont have dreamweaver
[22:54]  * kevin6888296 laughs
[22:54] <kevin6888296> i haven't recalled a dream in like two days
[22:54] <kevin6888296> which is unusual for me
[22:55] <iheartubuntu> so you dont have total recall
[22:55] <kevin6888296> of my dreams?  no
[22:55] <kevin6888296> even when i do remember them i have to write them down
[22:55] <kevin6888296> actually, i should read my dream journal
[22:55] <kevin6888296> it can be an interesting read
[22:56] <iheartubuntu> there is a great site.. dont know where i found it... where u can input your dreams into a database and it will collectively use the info to make predictions
[22:58] <iheartubuntu> http://www.halfpasthuman.com/
[22:59] <iheartubuntu> i found the dream archive site through there
[22:59] <iheartubuntu> half past human was designed by a guy who invented (for microsoft)  to predict the stock exchange
[23:00] <iheartubuntu> after he left MS he started using his software to predict world events
[23:00] <kdub> i never remember my dreams
[23:04] <akk> I remember tiny snippets and moods, which usually dissolve within minutes no matter how hard I try to hold on.
[23:06] <kevin6888296> it takes work to recall dreams
[23:06] <kevin6888296> iheartubuntu: sounds like wacky 2012 stuff
[23:06] <kevin6888296> when i wake up and recall a dream, i try to connect a single word to the dream
[23:07] <kevin6888296> then i extrapolate from that single word
[23:07] <kevin6888296> it has worked in the past
[23:08] <akk> http://xkcd.com/430/
[23:12] <kevin6888296> nuclear bombs, synchronicity between halfpasthuman.com and xkcd.com
[23:15] <The_Letter_M> I have returned
[23:16] <The_Letter_M> test
[23:17] <The_Letter_M> I wish selecting a color scheme for Xchat was more simple
[23:22] <akk> The GTK theme part is easy, but setting the nick colors is insane.
[23:22] <The_Letter_M> yeah
[23:23] <akk> (well, gtk themes have issues too but at least they're fairly well known issues)
[23:23] <The_Letter_M> I just prefer a dark color scheme with a transparent background
[23:23] <The_Letter_M> and so I have to change every color to look alright
[23:23] <iheartubuntu> "What I want from a restaurant website"... http://theoatmeal.com/comics/restaurant_website
[23:24] <kevin6888296> i used xchat, i used irssi, i used xchat, i used irssi, i used empathy, i use irssi
[23:24] <The_Letter_M> lol
[23:24] <kevin6888296> do you use compiz The_Letter_M ?
[23:25] <The_Letter_M> No
[23:25] <The_Letter_M> I use Xfce instead of Gnome
[23:26] <kevin6888296> oh well
[23:26] <iheartubuntu> Cat VS. The Internet.... http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cat_vs_internet
[23:26] <kevin6888296> btw iheartubuntu cool post on tuxgames.com
[23:29] <The_Letter_M> I'll probably leave Xfce for Unity when the final release is out later this month
[23:31] <kevin6888296> iheartubuntu: my cat used to lay on my lap >_<
[23:32] <kevin6888296> compiz has color inversion, i just use that at night
[23:32] <The_Letter_M> oh
[23:32] <The_Letter_M> I tried Compiz with Gnome for a while on my lappy
[23:33] <The_Letter_M> it seemed like a resource hog
[23:33] <iheartubuntu> my cat lays on my keyboard to get me to pet him. or starts pressing keys if he is pissed off
[23:33] <The_Letter_M> in Xfce I enable the built in window compositing and it runs smooth and I've never seen it get choppy
[23:35] <kevin6888296> type with right hand, pet with left hand
[23:35] <kevin6888296> don't pretend you can't one hand type >_>
[23:36] <The_Letter_M> lol
[23:36] <kevin6888296> does it have color inversion?
[23:36] <kevin6888296> i used compiz by itself for awhile
[23:36] <kevin6888296> that was...interesting
[23:36] <kevin6888296> it would have been fine if there was a widget or something for nm-applet
[23:37] <kevin6888296> that's all i really needed a panel for
[23:37] <kevin6888296> oh, well, yeah it got kind of annoying tabbing through apps
[23:38] <akk> nm can work without a panel now, though of course it's not as supported as the normal applet stuff.
[23:46] <MarkDude> Creative commons the 25th at HP http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1505289361/efbnen
[23:47] <kevin6888296> oh, it wasn't about "not working"
[23:47] <kevin6888296> it just wasn't as nice without having the icon readily available, or even easy to pull up if necessary


[01:00] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:01] <crimsun> hi sistpoty :)
[01:01] <sistpoty> seems like I missed the dapper release
[01:02] <LaserJock> what? Dapper was released?!?! ;-)
[01:03] <crimsun> dude, no, we skipped dapper and went straight to edgy, because edgy has ponies.
[01:04] <LaserJock> ohhhh, poooonnnies :-)
[01:05] <ajmitch> morning
[01:06] <ajmitch> ZOMG PONIES!!!\
[01:06] <ajmitch> sorry
[01:06] <ajmitch> I'll calm down now
[01:06] <Erl[Work] > poniges?
[01:06] <Erl[Work] > err
[01:06] <Erl[Work] > ponies?
[01:06] <ajmitch> yes, ponies
[01:07] <sistpoty> yeehaa
[01:08] <sistpoty> phew... I'm just trying to figure some code of revu2... I must admit that I don't have much clue after this long time not working on revu2 :(
[01:09] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty
[01:10] <sistpoty> hey ajmitch
[01:14] <LaserJock> yeah, are we going to have a REVU2 day/week or something?
[01:14] <sistpoty> not sure... there's still too much stuff to code actually :(
[01:15] <LaserJock> well, a REVU2 sprint then?
[01:15] <imbrandon> revu2  ?
[01:17] <sistpoty> imbrandon: it's like revu but much cooler... and it's vaporware since quite some time ;)
[01:17] <ajmitch> fun times, discussing the spec at UBZ
[01:17] <imbrandon> heh
[01:17] <imbrandon> ajmitch did you get a sec to look at my reupload on revu ?
[01:17] <ajmitch> nope
[01:18] <imbrandon> kk
[01:18] <LaserJock> I'd love to help out with REVU2 but my Python skills are probably lacking quite a bit
[01:18] <ajmitch> there's plenty of time until edgy feature freeze
[01:18] <LaserJock> well, that and I'm doing like a million things for Edgy already
[01:18] <ajmitch> yay, mdz has posted a potential timeline for edgy
[01:19] <imbrandon> ohh yea i know , was just curious since thats the first time i've actualy done a full package
[01:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:19] <ajmitch> spec like mad until the 18th!
[01:19] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I got handed the Ubuntu Developer's  Reference today
[01:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sweet!
[01:19] <ajmitch> how does it look?
[01:19] <ajmitch> can you share it with us mortals?
[01:19] <imbrandon> nice LaserJocker
[01:19] <ajmitch> or is it only for Real Developers? ;)
[01:19] <LaserJock> well, Ian just got started with it, so it is going to take a lot of work I think
[01:20] <Toadstool> heya everybody!
[01:20] <imbrandon> moins
[01:20] <LaserJock> ajmitch: it is based on the DDR though so it should look familiar :-)
[01:20] <Toadstool> nice, revu2 trac was spammed...
[01:21] <LaserJock> spammed? those evil DD's trying to mess up our nice little 0ubuntuX factory :-)
[01:21] <Toadstool> ;)
[01:23] <ajmitch> burn the DDs!
[01:23] <LaserJock> they turned me into a newt :'(
[01:23] <ajmitch> heh
[01:23] <LaserJock> but I got better ;-)
[01:24] <ajmitch> are you going to test if they float?
[01:24] <LaserJock> perhaps
[01:25] <LaserJock> hmm, perhaps we can weigh sabdfl vs Towns
[01:27] <ajmitch> no contest
[01:27] <ajmitch> aj is a midget
[01:27] <imbrandon> but does aj have a pony ?
[01:27] <ajmitch> probably
[01:28] <ajmitch> BDDEBIAN!!1
[01:28] <imbrandon> heh
[01:28] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:28] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[01:28] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[01:28] <bddebian> Heya folks!  ajmitch, imbrandon, Toadstool, sistpoty :-)
[01:28] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[01:29] <ajmitch> ah, cockfosters
[01:29] <LaserJock> t
[01:30] <bddebian> Oh and Hi LaserJock :-)
[01:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: did you bring a pony?
[01:30] <bddebian> Sure
[01:30] <ajmitch> excellent
[01:30] <LaserJock> bddebian: it's hard to know who to say hi to when I see you say hi in 4 different places :-)
[01:31] <bddebian> Yeah, sorry :-)
[01:31] <ajmitch> spamming the channels
[01:31] <Toadstool> sistpoty: is the revu2 svn repos available for checkouts using http or something? I'd like to play with the code and see if I can help but I can't find any url in the wiki :/
[01:31] <LaserJock> Toadstool: no it is a closed source, heavily guarded secret
[01:31] <Toadstool> :)
[01:31] <LaserJock> ;-)
[01:31] <ajmitch> mmm, dapper-changes
[01:31] <sistpoty> Toadstool: it was at least... not sure if it still is... give me a sec
[01:32] <ajmitch> sweet GNOME 2.14.2
[01:32] <Toadstool> sistpoty: thanks
[01:32] <LaserJock> ajmitch: where?
[01:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: just a few packages for now
[01:32] <ajmitch> like zenity, pessulus, glib2.0
[01:32] <ajmitch> deskbar-applet
[01:32] <Toadstool> I don't want to have to copy/paste the code from trac browser :p
[01:33] <sistpoty> Toadstool: revu2 svn: http://tiber.tauware.de/svn/revu2
[01:34] <Toadstool> cool, thanks :)
[01:34] <sistpoty> np
[01:34] <TheMuso> Whats better in revu2?
[01:34] <sistpoty> TheMuso: it can make coffee and will have lot's of ponies ;)
[01:35] <TheMuso> heh
[01:35] <sistpoty> and it's not that kind of hack revu1 currently (still) is... but has a more robust codebase
[01:35] <LaserJock> it will be soooo worth it to see the ponies on LP ;-)
[01:36] <sistpoty> :)
[01:36] <ajmitch> there are some cool backgrounds in ubuntu now
[01:36] <ajmitch> like those of the international space station ;)
[01:37] <LaserJock> I wonder how much they had to pay for those? ;-)
[01:37] <ajmitch> probably about 20 million or so
[01:37] <ajmitch> tourists...
[01:37] <ajmitch> "Ubuntu has the most expensive background images of any distribution out there"
[01:38] <bddebian> heh
[01:38] <imbrandon> just please tell me it will still keep me registerd and i dont have to do some pgp signing hoops and i'll be happy
[01:39] <TheMuso> Ah. We now know when edgy will be opened.
[01:39] <imbrandon> TheMuso: we do ?
[01:39] <ajmitch> TheMuso: yes, in a few days
[01:39] <LaserJock> imbrandon: eventually it will use your LP id
[01:39] <TheMuso> Yeah I know.
[01:39] <ajmitch> imbrandon: see -devel list
[01:39] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:40] <LaserJock> for some stupid reason I've got -announce on a digest
[01:40] <LaserJock> so I got the digest today
[01:40] <TheMuso> heh
[01:40] <LaserJock> and it had dholbach's Hug Day annoucment from like the 16th
[01:42] <TheMuso> me should really get onto -announce
[01:43] <ajmitch> ah, it was -devel-announce, was it?
[01:43] <TheMuso> Smart that.
[01:44] <ajmitch> only smart if I make sure I read all the -devel mail :)
[01:45] <TheMuso> heh
[01:45] <ajmitch> true that
[01:45] <TheMuso> I still skim -devel, only because I may miss an interesting message otherwise.
[01:45] <TheMuso> ...and I don't want to do that.
[01:46] <TheMuso> The most reading I have to do for -devel is when I first check my mail for the day.
[01:46] <TheMuso> Even then I mostly read subjects only, and delete ones I am not interested in.
[01:46] <Yagisan> still, compared to d-d, u-d has a higher signal to noise recently, especially after someones recent outburst
[01:46] <ajmitch> heh
[01:47] <TheMuso> outburst?
[01:47] <Toadstool> er, falling asleep on my keyboard... 'night everybody
[01:47] <ajmitch> which one?
[01:47] <Yagisan> TheMuso: the secretary saw a legit id, that wasn't government issuesd and flipped out
[01:47] <ajmitch> night Toadstool
[01:48] <bddebian> Gnight ToadZzZztool
[01:48] <Yagisan> night ToadZzZztool
[01:48] <Yagisan> TheMuso: very much a non-issue, as you shouldn't sign a key if you don't feel the id, identifies the person in front of you
[01:49] <TheMuso> um ok
[01:49] <Yagisan> TheMuso: d-d
[01:49] <TheMuso> oh ok
[01:50] <TheMuso> I'm not on that. :)
[01:50] <LaserJock> oh for goodness sakes, that is so dumb
[01:51] <Yagisan> and yet, it appears to still be going. If it keeps up Edgy + 2 will beat Etch out the door
[01:53] <Yagisan> hmm. why do users feel they can abuse developers about bugs ?
[01:54] <LaserJock> ?
[01:54] <imbrandon> becouse they are ignorant about the hard work often for free that they put into projects
[01:54] <imbrandon> they == developers
[01:55] <Yagisan> LaserJock: doing bug triage for my upstream project, and received a torrent of abuse for my efforts
[01:55] <bddebian> Such is the nature unfortunately :-(
[01:56] <Yagisan> I understand why the other devs where happy for me to triage. They must be burnt out from that
[01:56] <Yagisan> StevenK: come on, it's like neighbours, a new drama every day
[01:57] <StevenK> Yagisan: Yes, the same drama that was on Home and Away a week ago.
[01:57] <StevenK> I swear the writers for those two shows are the same people.
[01:57] <Yagisan> StevenK: they are different shows ?!?
[01:58] <Yagisan> StevenK: I can't tell them apart
[02:01] <StevenK> The different actors give it away.
[02:04] <Yagisan> StevenK: actors ? you must be joking. I've seen better acting in a toilet bowl.
[02:04] <bddebian> heh
[02:08] <ajmitch> Yagisan: you haven't seen shortland street over here then
[02:08] <ajmitch> compared to that, both neighbours & H&A have superb acting
[02:09] <Yagisan> ajmitch: sorry, the last show I saw from you guys was xena. the redhead was nice to look at, but that's about it
[02:12] <ajmitch> heh
[03:07] <TheMuso> heh
[03:24] <LaserJock> hmm, it's June, time to cat my irssi logs for May together :-)
[03:25] <ajmitch> hehe
[03:25] <ajmitch> you split them by day?
[03:26] <LaserJock> I do at first because I can often rememeber what day I want to look through if it is within a week
[03:27] <LaserJock> so i'd rather grep through 1 day rather than a month or something
[03:27] <LaserJock> I don't know, I'm just getting started with the whole irssi thing
[03:28] <LaserJock> well I don't have that many channels usually, I have 8 I autojoin
[03:29] <Yagisan> I have 3 I'm usually in.
[03:30] <Fujitsu> I have...
[03:30] <LaserJock> really? crimsun has like 40 or something
[03:30] <ajmitch> I haven't counted
[03:30] <Fujitsu> Around 25, on various networks.
[03:30] <Yagisan> I have 12 on my list, but I don't log in just to idle
[03:31] <LaserJock> I can pretty much only do freenode because I can't use 6667
[04:18] <crimsun> tehehe, poor bddebian ;-)
[04:19] <bddebian> :-)
[04:20] <ajmitch> we all love him, really
[04:21] <bddebian> Who?
[04:22] <ajmitch> bddebian
[04:27] <bddebian> No you don't. :-)
[04:31] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[04:32] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[04:33] <zul> Hey Hobbsee
[04:35] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Its not that cold.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> tis here.
[04:35] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee :-)
[04:35] <TheMuso> Well you must have been outside recently.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> true
[04:35] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[07:01] <ajmitch> siretart: I'm azaed at how quickly you got through the AM steps so that you can spend the next 6 months waiting for the FD & DAM ;)
[07:01] <ajmitch> s/azaed/amazed/
[07:02] <StevenK> Hah.
[07:02] <StevenK> ajmitch: You haven't seen my NM page.
[07:03] <ajmitch> hm
[07:03] <ajmitch> not on the nmlist page
[07:03] <StevenK> https://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=stevenk%40hasnolife.com
[07:04] <ajmitch> looks like you took longer than siretart ;)
[07:04] <ajmitch> of course he had to wait a long time to get an AM assigned, unlike you
[07:04] <ajmitch> and DAM approval will take a little while
[07:04] <StevenK> However, I was only in DAMnation for 2 days.
[07:05] <ajmitch> that would be seen as miraculous these days
[07:06] <StevenK> It was seen as miraculous then, too.
[07:06] <ajmitch> you must have pulled some strings
[07:06] <StevenK> Nope
[07:06] <StevenK> It just happened.
[07:07] <StevenK> I asked elmo about it, and he said, "Your advocate + your AM == fast track"
[07:07] <ajmitch> it took me 6 months & 6 days from AM approval to DAM approval
[07:08] <StevenK> I didn't even end up doing Task and Skills, since tbm asked joeyh about me, and joeyh said "He knows what he's doing" and tbm just went "Okay, I've approved you."
[07:08] <ajmitch> right, joeyh & tbm..
[07:08] <ajmitch> haha
[07:08] <ajmitch> impressive
[07:08] <ajmitch> what work were you doing back then?
[07:08] <StevenK> xringd, with joeyh sponsoring me
[07:08] <ajmitch> impressive, you're still maintainer ;)
[07:09] <StevenK> I'm never giving up xringd. ;-)
[07:09] <ajmitch> too easy to maintain to orphan it? :)
[07:09] <StevenK> Indeed.
[07:09] <StevenK> The only bugs I get are translations.
[07:10] <ajmitch> should I do an f-spot upload to sid today?
[07:12] <StevenK> Meh, why not. Edgy isn't open yet. :-)
[07:12] <ajmitch> it needs rebuilt anyway
[07:13] <ajmitch> hm, I should fix up my sid chroot so I can connect to the X server properly
[07:13] <ajmitch> bind-mounting /tmp only gives me access to the socket
[07:13] <ajmitch> I still have to be naughty & do xhost +
[07:14] <ajmitch> maybe hardlinking stuff would help
[07:17] <ajmitch> someone by me a faster system :)
[07:19] <ajmitch> (and a better keyboard)
[07:34] <chillywilly> dance boy! dance! ;)
[07:35] <LaserJock> ewwwww
[07:35] <chillywilly> lol
[07:35] <chillywilly> he can earn a faster system ;)
[07:35] <LaserJock> chillywilly: you sure about that? ;-)
[07:37] <ajmitch> chillywilly: don't even think of suggesting that
[07:37] <ajmitch> you are sick
[07:37] <Lathiat> hahaha
[07:37] <StevenK> ajmitch: I bind mount /tmp and /home
[07:38] <chillywilly> ajmitch: you know I am joking :)
[07:38] <StevenK> ajmitch: That seems to work.
[07:38] <ajmitch> yeah, I thought about bind-mounting /home as well
[07:38] <chillywilly> bddebian would appreciate my humor....
[07:38] <chillywilly> where is that old man anyway?
[07:38] <ajmitch> bddebian is also sick
[07:38] <StevenK> I'm waiting for schroot, I'm sick of having all these bind mounts sticking around all the time.
[07:39] <StevenK> Hrm.
[07:39] <StevenK> It seems to be in Dapper.
[07:41] <StevenK> It really messes up my completion of /usr.
[07:41] <ajmitch> hehe
[07:42] <ajmitch> sigh, cdbs
[07:43] <StevenK> prw-r----- 1 root root 0 2006-06-02 22:32 /usplash_fifo
[07:43] <StevenK> Also exists on my laptop.
[07:43] <Lathiat> not for me
[07:43] <ajmitch> you're spethial though
[07:43] <StevenK> Lathiat or me? :-P
[07:44] <ajmitch> StevenK: you're the only person lucky enough
[07:44] <StevenK> Curious.
[07:44] <ajmitch> though I haven't rebooted my machines for a few weeks
[07:44] <ajmitch> yay, got rid of a few lintian warnings
[07:44] <StevenK> I rebooted right after my upgrade to Dapper.
[07:48] <ajmitch> ok, f-spot seems to work
[07:48] <ajmitch> might as well upload :)
[07:53] <ajmitch> whiprush_: interesting blog post about sabayon/pessulus & network auth
[07:54] <whiprush_> ajmitch: yeah ... one gets lucid when deloying gnome/linux desktops along side windows desktops.
[07:54] <ajmitch> heh
[07:55] <ajmitch> there are some weird & wonderful things we could do for ubuntu
[07:56] <whiprush_> yeah
[07:56] <whiprush_> IMO, the user-level stuff is there.
[07:56] <whiprush_> it's the system level stuff that's kind of lacking.
[08:00] <ajmitch> how much do you think we can whack in as a distro?
[08:03] <nomed> hi all
[08:05] <ajmitch> hi
[08:06] <nomed> ajmitch, any idea when it's possible to start pkging for edjy ?
[08:12] <ajmitch> whenever you want
[08:13] <nomed> good!
[08:13] <nomed> and could anyone take a look to xapian and libtextcat pkges ?
[09:08] <siretart> morning
[09:08] <siretart> ajmitch: I'm amazed as well. I got my AM last monday
[09:09] <Tonio_> hello all :)
[09:09] <ajmitch> morning siretart :)
[09:09] <ajmitch> hi Tonio_
[09:09] <Tonio_> hey ajmitch
[09:30] <AnAnt> is there a certain reason that there aren't kernel images specifically for Pentium M ?
[09:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> it dosent need any?
[09:31] <Lathiat> because theres no reason to generate them?
[09:32] <tseng> a pentium m is a 686
[09:32] <tseng> you dont need 600 kernel images
[09:33] <AnAnt> tseng: I found a Pentium M in the kernel configuration
[09:33] <tseng> congratulations
[09:33] <AnAnt> tseng: doesn't that add any features for the Pentium M systems ?
[09:33] <tseng> no, it changes the compiler flags
[09:33] <AnAnt> ic
[09:33] <tseng> to optimize to the pentium m instruction set
[09:33] <AnAnt> thx
[09:34] <tseng> which makes it unusable anywhere else
[09:34] <tseng> we have enough images to test as it is
[09:34] <tseng> and there isnt a substantial benefit
[09:34] <AnAnt> ic
[09:35] <AnAnt> ok, now, I the reason I am recompiling the kernel is that I am applying a patch for MMC v4 device support , if that works, shall I upload the new source/patch somewhere in MOTU or so ?
[09:35] <tseng> I don't know what that is
[09:35] <tseng> but no
[09:36] <tseng> you can try to get it in edgy, #ubuntu-kernel
[09:37] <AnAnt> ok
[10:44] <dannz> can anyone tell me how big the ubuntu dapper repo is?
[11:13] <Toadstool> heya MOTUs
[11:32] <Hobbsee> hey Toadstool
[11:32] <Toadstool> heya Hobbsee
[11:56] <sladen> StevenK: there's a but about that.  It happens if usplash is started and the chdir() fails.  There's a bug about it;  can you please confirm it
[11:57] <Hobbsee> heya StevenK
[12:02] <StevenK> sladen: Certainly.
[12:02] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Sorry, playing with schroot.
[12:02] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:04] <StevenK> sladen: It is already Confirmed.
[12:04] <StevenK> And Keybuk has replied, so it should hopefully get fixed.
[12:12] <sladen> StevenK: can you please add that you have experienced it aswell
[12:13] <sladen> StevenK: the number of duplicates/comments is what I use as a measure of which bugs to focus on
[12:16] <StevenK> sladen: Done.
[01:32] <AnAnt> I compiled the linux kernel (which I got from the repos), but I don't get splash screen, why is that ? btw, I compiled using make-kpkg & installed the resulting *.deb files
[02:09] <AnAnt> I compiled the linux kernel (which I got from the repos), but I don't get splash screen, why is that ? btw, I compiled using make-kpkg & installed the resulting *.deb files using dpkg. I also ran update-initramfs -u
[02:09] <Toadstool> AnAnt: this is the kind of questions you should ask on #ubuntu instead of here
[02:10] <AnAnt> none knows answer there
[02:10] <AnAnt> besides someone here told me to do the update-initramfs
[02:10] <AnAnt> but that didn't work either
[02:10] <Toadstool> I'm sure somebody knows but you have to wait for him to read the question ;)
[02:10] <AnAnt> k
[02:13] <shawarma> AnAnt: Which bootloader are you using?
[02:13] <AnAnt> grub
[02:13] <shawarma> Ok. Does the relevant entry have "splash" in the command line?
[02:14] <AnAnt> shawarma: yup , it has ro queit splash vga=0x314 just like the old kernels
[02:14] <shawarma> AnAnt: Ok.
[02:16] <StevenK> Hum.
[02:16] <StevenK> My screensaver didn't lock for some reason.
[02:16] <StevenK> Scrap that, my screensaver didn't activate at all.
[02:18] <shawarma> AnAnt: Do you know how to unpack your initrd ?
[02:18] <zakame> hi all
[02:18] <AnAnt> shawarma: you mean install ?
[02:18] <shawarma> AnAnt: No.
[02:18] <shawarma> AnAnt: Unpack it to examine the contents.
[02:19] <AnAnt> hmm
[02:19] <shawarma> AnAnt: Like so:
[02:19] <AnAnt> cpio
[02:19] <shawarma> AnAnt: mkdir /tmp/initrd ; cd /tmp/initrd ; zcat /boot/initrd-whatever | cpio -i
[02:19] <AnAnt> ok
[02:19] <AnAnt> did so
[02:20] <AnAnt> so ?
[02:21] <shawarma> Great. Check if /tmp/initrd/scripts/init-top/usplash is there.
[02:21] <\sh> moins
[02:21] <shawarma> Hi \hs!
[02:22] <shawarma> Eh...
[02:22] <shawarma> \sh, even. :-)
[02:22] <AnAnt> yup it does exist there
[02:22] <\sh> hey shawarma...
[02:23] <shawarma> AnAnt: And so is /tmp/initrd/sbin/usplash I suppose..
[02:23] <AnAnt> yup
[02:24] <shawarma> Hmm... tough one.
[02:24] <AnAnt> hmmm
[02:24] <AnAnt> I think I found it
[02:24] <AnAnt> in the conf/modules file
[02:24] <AnAnt> I see filenames of things that were on my homedir !!!!
[02:24] <AnAnt> why's that ?
[02:24] <shawarma> Good question. It's generated by mkinitramfs.
[02:25] <AnAnt> aha, so ?
[02:25] <shawarma> It shouldn't matter that much, though.
[02:25] <shawarma> As long as vesafb is in there, you should be fine.
[02:25] <AnAnt> it isn't there
[02:25] <AnAnt> only files that were in my home dir
[02:26] <zakame> heya \sh!
[02:26] <AnAnt> what does my homedir have to do with initramfs ?!
[02:30] <AnAnt> anyways, how can I fix that ?
[02:31] <shawarma> AnAnt: I'm not sure yet. gimme a sec.
[02:35] <shawarma> AnAnt: Have you tried update-initramfs -c ?
[02:36] <AnAnt> shawarma: yup
[02:36] <AnAnt> what does that do anyways ?
[02:36] <shawarma> AnAnt: Creates a new one insted of updating an old one.
[02:36] <shawarma> ....and that didnt helt?
[02:37] <AnAnt> nope
[02:37] <AnAnt> shawarma: when should I do the update-initramfs ? after I boot in new kernel or while I am still on old kernel ?
[02:39] <AnAnt> wait I did update-initramfs -u not -c
[02:40] <shawarma> AnAnt: Well, if you don't tell it which kernel to work on, it'll assume the currently running one.
[02:41] <AnAnt> ok I just ran : update-initramfs -k <IP_ADDRESS>-ubuntu1.mmc4-686m -c , and it didn't work
[02:43] <shawarma> What do you mean? it failed or it didn't helt?
[02:43] <shawarma> help..
[02:43] <AnAnt> it didn't help
[02:43] <shawarma> Ok.
[02:43] <AnAnt> what I realized is that mkinitramfs put the filenames that are in the current directory in that conf/modules file
[02:43] <shawarma> You havent' touched anything /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf right?
[02:43] <AnAnt> dunno why
[02:44] <AnAnt> nope
[02:44] <AnAnt> I don't have that dir either
[02:44] <AnAnt> I get /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf
[02:44] <AnAnt> I got /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf
[02:47] <shawarma> Er.. Yeah, that's what I meant. :-)
[02:50] <AnAnt> shawarma: ok, I put vesafb in /etc/mkinitramfs/modules file
[02:50] <AnAnt> shawarma: and ran update-initramfs
[02:51] <AnAnt> now it contains the modules I put in /etc/mkinitramfs/modules file alright, but it also contains the filenames that were in the current directory
[02:51] <AnAnt> I don't understand this wierd behaviour !
[02:51] <shawarma> No, it sounds pretty weird.
[02:51] <shawarma> You run update-initramfs -u right?
[02:52] <AnAnt> nope, -c
[02:52] <shawarma> Ok. Ill just try it here.
[02:52] <AnAnt> shall I try a -u ?
[02:53] <shawarma> AnAnt: Hang on for a sec.
[02:54] <shawarma> AnAnt: I just ran it and it looks just right.
[02:55] <AnAnt>  hmmm
[02:56] <AnAnt> is it a problem to have such extra stuff ?
[02:56] <shawarma> Not really.
[02:56] <AnAnt> I'll give it a reboot & see
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:49] <Gloubiboulga> hey bddebian
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[04:34] <tuxmaniac> heya. Any probs with OO.o ? Seems like it is not properly quitting.. Taking a long time to come up and swallows a helluva lot of RAM
[04:38] <_ion> That sounds just like the normal OOo behavior. :-)
[04:39] <tuxmaniac> _ion: heh
[04:39] <Bazzi> hmm
[04:40] <Bazzi> lots of those issues have been fixed in 2.0.2 though
[04:40] <tuxmaniac> I have the latest Dapper updates.. Still so many issues..
[04:41] <tuxmaniac> Bazzi: is that a thing that is being looked into already?
[04:41] <Bazzi> yes
[04:41] <Bazzi> they try to improve in that area constantly
[04:41] <Bazzi> since there are LOTS of issues still to be resolved
[04:41] <tuxmaniac> 1.9 was far better.. I feel
[04:42] <Bazzi> I still use MS Office :(
[05:00] <\sh> re
[05:01] <lastnode> can anyone tell me why ubuntu doesnt have a cube package yet?
[05:02] <\sh> what is cube?
[05:04] <lastnode> http://www.cubeengine.com/
[05:04] <lastnode> the source is right there - http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/cube/cube_2005_08_29_src.zip?download
[05:04] <lastnode> if anyone is interested, id be happy to package it or whatever
[05:04] <lastnode> i just played it, and it's fantastic
[05:05] <lastnode> played online, even from sri lanka
[05:05] <lastnode> that's a first
[05:05] <lastnode> :)
[05:05] <Bazzi> sadly ubuntu has close to nothing gaming relatesd
[05:07] <crimsun> "close to nothing"? That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it?
[05:07] <crimsun> True, only a few, but that's hardly /nothing/
[05:07] <Bazzi> well, I haven't seen anything useful :(
[05:08] <lastnode> crimsun, i think he means 'gaming' as opposed to "oh look, it's gnome-tetris' ;-)
[05:08] <lastnode> but seriously, who do i need to talk to about this?
[05:08] <Bazzi> yes, I mean 3d-gaming let's put it this way
[05:09] <\sh> it's not really OSS
[05:10] <lastnode> \sh, the source is available for download?
[05:10] <lastnode> i admit i havent seen the license though
[05:10] <\sh> it looks like only the source is free as in ZLIB license but artwork can't be freely distributed by others....
[05:11] <\sh> actually it's a bit strange, sauerbraten (the sequel) is zlib license licensed but not the artwork..
[05:11] <\sh> and for cube I don't see a license at all
[05:11] <crimsun> "you may freely distribute the cube archive unmodified on any media" <----
[05:12] <crimsun> note the unmodified
[05:12] <\sh> oh no...same zlib thing
[05:12] <Bazzi> crimsun: would still be a candidate for a msttcorefonts-like package wouldn't it?
[05:13] <theCore> well, if it's on Sourceforge it must have a valid open-source licence
[05:13] <crimsun> Bazzi: certainly you can write a wrapper that will download it
[05:14] <\sh> theCore: the source is zlib license, which is sf.net approved, but I don't see any maps or whatever...
[05:14] <\sh> it could also be, that i'm a tetris player and don't need any shooters
[05:21] <lastnode> would anyone be willing to work with me on this?
[05:31] <OVErcLK> hi
[07:12] <jpatrick> ajmitch: are you there?
[07:13] <ajmitch> no
[07:14] <ajmitch> if you have a question, ask it
[07:14] <jpatrick> can you update pbuilder on revu?
[07:14] <\sh> ajmitch: pbuilder update on tiber ;)
[07:18] <ajmitch> I can't help you if you want it updated to edgy...
[07:19] <ajmitch> updated for dapper
[07:29] <NthDegree> does anyone know if SElinux supports JFS?
[07:29] <ajmitch> assuming that JFS supports extended attributes & security labels, then yes
[07:30] <tseng> i think it does as of a year or so ago
[07:30] <tseng> possibly by patch
[07:30] <ajmitch> looks to be enabled in the ubuntu kernel
[07:30] <NthDegree> i'm just wondering if it's worth using JFS
[07:31] <NthDegree> or if i'll need god knows how many partitions in order to use it optimally
[07:31] <ajmitch> a recent thread on the selinux list recommended either XFS or ext3
[07:32] <ajmitch> however there are people using it on JFS
[07:34] <NthDegree> ideally I want kubuntu as my main OS with xubuntu (or a specially modified form of ubuntu) for development
[07:35] <ajmitch> be aware that there's minimal selinux support in dapper
[07:36] <NthDegree> true
[07:36] <NthDegree> i want to help change that :) so red hat doesn't brag so much
[07:39] <NthDegree> what FS would you choose?
[07:39] <ajmitch> ext3, or maybe xfs
[07:40] <\sh> ext3 for small paritions, xfs for large ones
[07:41] <\sh> 73GB partition and formatting it with ext3 on a raid6 volume: 2 minutes
[07:41] <\sh> 6.3TB partition on raid 6 volume formated with XFS: less then 3 seconds
[07:41] <\sh> no joke
[07:41] <NthDegree> well I have a single 225GB hard disk, and want optimal performance on kubuntu
[07:42] <NthDegree> so how would I go splitting it all up? and what FSes to use?
[07:42] <\sh> NthDegree: /boot == ext2 / and /home and /var can be xfs..it's fast and reliable
[07:43] <\sh> anyways...I'm stopping now and watching some movies :)
[07:43] <_ion> Unless your hardware causes the computer to crash occassionally.
[07:43] <ogra> \sh, slacker ...
[07:43] <\sh> ogra: hehe
[07:44] <ogra> :)
[07:44] <NthDegree> so how to split up my space?
[07:44] <\sh> ogra: you don't have to fight against suse ;)
[07:44] <ogra> i dont even see her very much anymore
[07:45] <\sh> ogra: oh no..I meant SuSE
[07:45] <\sh> not your suse
[07:45] <ogra> ah
[07:45] <ogra> capitalization was missing :)
[07:45] <\sh> yes sorry
[07:45] <zul> bah..
[07:46] <ajmitch> heh
[07:47] <\sh> NthDegree: depends on what you want
[07:47] <\sh> NthDegree: server, workstation, playstation?
[07:48] <NthDegree> for kubuntu I want a workstation, for xubuntu it will be development but one single partition
[07:50] <\sh> NthDegree: you need just one installation...and install xubuntu-desktop on your kubuntu system..
[07:51] <NthDegree> \sh you sure? I just don't want to clutter up my system when I learn how to make good reliable packages
[07:51] <NthDegree> if there's no problem with one installation then kubuntu on it's own will do brilliantly
[07:52] <ajmitch> wow
[07:52] <ajmitch> my package got ACCEPTED into debian
[07:52] <_ion> What should i do in order to get my Picard package <http://hassers.fi/ubuntu/dists/dapper/> to Edgy universe?
[07:52] <ajmitch> only 1 month in NEW!
[07:52] <\sh> NthDegree: good realiable packages you do with pbuilder and debootstrap and not on your running system
[07:53] <zul> ajmitch: new record?
[07:53] <ajmitch> zul: NEW processing has been a little slow lately :)
[07:53] <zul> ah..
[07:53] <NthDegree> so a multiboot would be best then \sh?
[07:54] <Gloubiboulga> _ion, upload your package on REVU, motus will looke at it, and when it's OK and advocated twice, it'll be uploaded to Universe
[07:54] <\sh> NthDegree: no...you don't need multiboot...
[07:54] <\sh> NthDegree: you can test in a chroot
[07:54] <_ion> gloubiboulga: Thanks.
[07:55] <ajmitch> I have 1 RC bug in debian though (non-free docs)
[07:55] <Gloubiboulga> _ion, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU will help you
[07:55] <\sh> NthDegree: so I would think that /boot == 100MB ext2 , / == 20GB xfs , /var == 20 GB xfs, swap partition the double ammount of your RAM and the rest /home with xfs
[07:56] <NthDegree> \sh you like your xfs don't you :)
[07:56] <ajmitch> you said you wanted performance
[07:56] <ajmitch> ext3 is slow in the default journalling mode
[07:57] <\sh> NthDegree: it's faster then ext3, more reliable then ext2/ext3 and reiserfs, and needs less memory then jfs
[07:57] <ajmitch> depending on how much RAM you have, double that in swap may not be needed
[07:57] <\sh> ajmitch: right...16GB ram, you don't need swap, or you want to use suspend to ram ;)
[07:57] <ajmitch> \sh: actually I did set it up with 16GB RAM + 16GB swap ;)
[07:57] <\sh> or hibante
[07:58] <NthDegree> well I have 1024MB RAM and an AMD athlon 64
[07:58] <\sh> hibernate
[07:58] <\sh> NthDegree: set 2gb swap
[07:58] <ajmitch> right, with only 1GB RAM, you'll need swap
[07:58] <\sh> you have enough diskspace
[07:59] <\sh> ajmitch: but actually you are not normal ;)
[07:59] <\sh> ajmitch: neither am I ;)
[07:59] <ajmitch> I know I'm not normal :)
[08:07] <theCore> what is the normal procedure for importing a packages from Debian to Ubuntu?
[08:07] <\sh> a sync
[08:08] <\sh> ok..going to rest a bit...laters friends
[08:08] <theCore> a sync?
[08:08] <ajmitch> yep
[08:08] <ajmitch> which will start automatically once edgy opens
[08:08] <theCore> how I do that?
[08:08] <theCore> oh
[08:08] <ajmitch> for packages that we haven't modified
[08:09] <theCore> so, we don't need to do anything about them?
[08:09] <ajmitch> nope
[08:09] <theCore> that is nice
[08:09] <ajmitch> however if we've made any changes in ubuntu in a package, we need to merge them
[08:10] <ajmitch> bmonty!
[08:10] <bmonty> hi ajmitch
[08:10] <ajmitch> how are you?
[08:10] <bmonty> good, you?
[08:10] <ajmitch> alright :)
[08:10] <ajmitch> I should sleep more, really
[08:10] <bmonty> I'm playing with my new hardware :)
[08:10] <ajmitch> but it's almost too late by now
[08:11] <ajmitch> oh shut up :P
[08:11] <theCore> ajmitch: ah, that what is sync and merge mean, thanks for the info
[08:11] <theCore> ajmitch: I better clarify it in the Packaging Guide
[08:12] <bmonty> I'm impressed the volume and web buttons on this keyboard work out of the box with dapper :)
[08:12] <ajmitch>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[08:12] <ajmitch> Mem:         16230       1996      14233          0        248       1508
[08:12] <ajmitch> -/+ buffers/cache:        239      15991
[08:12] <ajmitch> & that box is running dapper :)
[08:13] <theCore> ajmitch: o_O, without gui, I hope
[08:13] <ajmitch> theCore: why do you hope that?
[08:14] <theCore> ajmitch: ah, you got me
[08:15] <ajmitch> I should put the nx server on it & run gnome from home
[08:15] <ajmitch> argh
[08:15] <ajmitch> server at work went down again
[08:16] <ajmitch> we thought those hardware troubles were over...
[08:18] <theCore> I made a pretty nice emacs CVS package, anyone interested?
[08:19] <Erlang> isn't that already in Debian/Ubuntu as emacs-snapshot?
[08:19] <theCore> Erlang: well, mine has Xfont & Unicode support
[08:19] <Erlang> ok
[08:19] <Erlang> I don't think I need that.
[08:20] <theCore> *sigh* I think I'm the only one running gtk-emacs
[08:20] <Erlang> I don't like GTK...
[08:20] <Erlang> so there
[08:22] <theCore> Erlang: what do you like? CLI, Qt?
[08:22] <Erlang> Qt
[08:22] <Erlang> I'm a KDE guy.
[08:26] <theCore> is it hard to make a apt repository server?
[08:27] <ajmitch> nope
[08:27] <ajmitch> theCore: see apt-ftparchive
[08:28] <Erlang> I use mini-dinstall myself.
[08:30] <bmonty> brb
[08:33] <theCore> ajmitch: is it a reason why apt-ftparchive isn't into the repository?
[08:34] <theCore> Erlang: thanks, that is what I was searching for
[08:35] <crimsun> theCore: it is. It's in apt-utils.
[08:35] <theCore> crimsun: oh, I see, thanks
[08:36] <_ion> thecore: apt-file is handy: luotain% apt-file search apt-ftparchive
[08:36] <_ion> apt-utils: usr/bin/apt-ftparchive
[08:40] <theCore> _ion: thanks, my intuition tell me that utility will become really handy soon
[08:49] <bmonty> what is the package that adds a terminal option to the menu when you right click on the main screen?
[08:49] <ajmitch> nautilus-open-terminal?
[08:49] <bmonty> yes, thanks!
[08:53] <theCore> why dpkg-buildpackage need to be run by root (or fakeroot)
[08:54] <crimsun> note the install paths of the files in debs.
[08:56] <ajmitch> and to be able to set ownership to something other than the user it is running as
[08:57] <theCore> ajmitch: ah, that makes more sense
[09:59] <theCore> is there big capatibility issues between Ubuntu and Debian?
[09:59] <tseng> what do you mean by capability
[09:59] <tseng> is the word you are looking for "compatibility"?
[10:00] <tuxmaniac> tseng: thats understood :-)
[10:00] <tseng> they mean completely different things.
[10:01] <theCore> compatibility*
[10:01] <tseng> no, there are not issues
[10:01] <tseng> almost everything will work with a simple rebuild
[10:01] <tseng> if even that is nessecary
[10:01] <tseng> I recommend it
[10:02] <theCore> tseng: so, Debian packages works without any changes on Ubuntu, and vis versa?
[10:02] <tseng> almost always
[10:02] <_ion> thecore: The source packages pretty much do.
[10:02] <tseng> a few things not
[10:02] <plugwash> theCore the pacakge format is the same but sometimes rebuilding is nessacery due to dependency issues
[10:03] <theCore> tseng: which?
[10:03] <tseng> I dont know?
[10:03] <tseng> we change a handful of things
[10:03] <tseng> I cant say whether your package is changed or not
[10:03] <tseng> since you didnt mention what it is
[10:03] <plugwash> in particular debian/ubuntu use a dependency scanning system that means packages don't tend to install on systems older than the one they were built on
[10:03] <tseng> chances are a rebuild is plenty
[10:04] <bmonty> theCore: you could also have wierd problems since there might be different libs or compilers between debian and ubuntu
[10:04] <bmonty> rebuilds will usually fix that
[10:05] <theCore> so there's no problem adding a source repository from Debian on a Ubuntu system?
[10:05] <crimsun> theCore: the ones in Debian that most likely won't are the ones in /current/ unstable and experimental
[10:06] <crimsun> theCore: meaning more recently versioned build-dependencies
[10:06] <bmonty> anyone know how to list the bus ids for pci express?
[10:06] <theCore> ok, thanks all
[11:33] <spacey> http://warsow.net <- something for universe?:)
[11:37] <\sh> where is the source?
[11:43] <Gazer> holas
[11:43] <Gazer> sorry :P
[11:48] <\sh> spacey: this game needs java, and doesn't work on dapper somehow...at least not on this laptop ;)
[11:50] <spacey> ok :p
[11:50] <spacey> i don't play games myself
[11:50] <spacey> but i thought it looked interesting
[11:50] <spacey> they said it was based on the quake2 gpl engine
[11:51] <spacey> apparently its not free software
[11:55] <\sh> spacey: it has a gnu license shiped ;) because they use SDL
[11:55] <\sh> but I don't find the source, or is it the SDK?
[11:56] <spacey> no idea
[11:59] <_ion> The game seems very nice. I hope it really is open source. I skimmed through the file list of the SDK archive, it _might_ contain the whole source for the game.
[11:59] <_ion> I think they have to publish the source because it's based on the q2 engine.
[11:59] <\sh> _ion: try to build it ;)
[12:00] <_ion> sh: Right now i'm too tired, but i'll probably try tomorrow.
[12:00] <_ion> I'm about to go to sleep.
[12:00] <\sh> _ion: hehe :) I can understand that....I will go to bed just now too
[12:01] <spacey> also important how the artwork is licensed. it doesn't have to be free because of the engine
[12:01] <spacey> afaik