[00:00] <j0hndoe> My laptop spec is 1.8 Ghz / 384 Mb RAM / 764 Mb SWAP, on certain occasion my CPU would reach 100% even though I have 1 to 3 open programs with around 200 Mb of RAM used. I think, maybe it has to be with swap, so I'm thinking of reducing it to 128 Mb, Can I just do that thru Gparted, wont it mess up my system?
[00:04] <Pegasus_RPG> Great work on the distro, guys. It's exactly what I'm looking for. It's been great in testing.
[00:05] <Pegasus_RPG> j0hndoe: you can use   top   from a terminal to see how much swap is in use
[00:05] <Pegasus_RPG> and which processes are sucking upt he CPU
[00:07] <phillw> j0hndoe: as Pegasus_RPG says, with low RAM, your swap is correct. Swap is usually 1 - 2X RAM, on a low RAM machine, 2X is correct. go hunt down what is using your resources :0
[00:09] <j0hndoe> it depends
[00:09] <Pegasus_RPG> j0hndoe: (the process of swapping takes little CPU time compared to the waiting time for the disk)
[00:10] <Pegasus_RPG> but if you're /thrashing/ then you need more RAM
[00:10] <j0hndoe> sometimes when i watch flash videos in HD like 1080p on youtube,  so it shows up in Task Manager as chrome.....  or when I watch bluray 720p with around 2-4 gigs of file size, mplayer will show as 90-100% spike on task manager,  etc
[00:10] <Pegasus_RPG> that is, swapping continuously such that the system response is abysmally slow
[00:11] <phillw> j0hndoe: your computer cannot handle that sort of video, soz :(
[00:12] <Pegasus_RPG> j0hndoe: I'd say the CPU can but you def need more RAM, or no window manager or something :)
[00:12] <phillw> for you tube, choose the html5 version, that removes flash out of the equation and should make a difference.
[00:13] <phillw> j0hndoe: http://www.youtube.com/html5
[00:13] <j0hndoe> ya, i forgot about that html5 thing, ill try that out and see
[00:14] <j0hndoe> Pegasus_RPG, that's what I'm confused about, the ram shows it to be 200 something over 384, so my laptop definitely havent use all of it, but the cpu shows a spike between 90-100%
[00:15] <j0hndoe> that's when playing 720p video file with around 2-4 gigs of size
[00:15] <j0hndoe> I'm thinking of using USB speed thingie, to increase the ram
[00:15] <Pegasus_RPG> j0hndoe: well, run top, then press s then 1 to have it update every second. Then in another terminal window run  vmstat 1  and watch the si column. If that's anything other than 0 for more than a second or two, you could do with more RAM
[00:16] <Pegasus_RPG> of course let these run while you watch video
[00:16] <Pegasus_RPG> and look at them under load
[00:20] <j0hndoe> how do i run top? i click the button RUN type: top press ok but nothing happen
[00:21] <j0hndoe> you might be right though, my laptop could be 'thrasing'
[00:28] <phillw> j0hndoe: you need to launch lxterminal, it is under 'Accessories'
[00:31] <Pegasus_RPG> hey, my CPU has PAE and NX...can I choose a kernel that supports NX?
[00:31] <j0hndoe> wow i have like around 20 Mb ram free, omg.
[00:31] <Pegasus_RPG> ah so
[00:32] <j0hndoe> why does Task Manager says I have around 178 Mb
[00:32] <j0hndoe> of RAM free, when running top at lxterminal shows I have around 20 Mb free ram?? doesn't make sense.
[00:33] <phillw> taskmanager is including stuff swapped?
[00:35] <j0hndoe> idk, i can see CPU usage  / Memory  then below it shows Command  CPU%  RSS PID
[00:35] <phillw> in theory, you have about 1000MB of RAM, because of swap, whereas in fact, it swapping to hell.
[00:36] <Pegasus_RPG> a.k.a. "thrashing"
[00:36] <Pegasus_RPG> so j0hndoe , you have two choices: 1) get more RAM 2) choose lighter applications
[00:37] <Pegasus_RPG> question for all: how can I make a certain application auto-start on login?>
[00:37] <phillw> j0hndoe: issue the command
[00:37] <phillw> free
[00:37] <phillw> in terminal
[00:37] <j0hndoe> you know how in windows7 when you connect a usb it shows the options Speed Up My System blah blah, I'm hoping there is like that in linux?
[00:38] <j0hndoe> total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[00:38] <j0hndoe> Mem:        377572     341188      36384          0      14148     154336
[00:38] <j0hndoe> -/+ buffers/cache:     172704     204868
[00:38] <j0hndoe> Swap:       782332      31968     750364
[00:39] <phillw> j0hndoe: nope, linux does not work that way. You can use it as swap, but usb2 is slower than a hard drive.
[00:39] <j0hndoe> oh ok
[00:39] <Pegasus_RPG> USB3 however...
[00:39] <phillw> j0hndoe: you system is swapping it's nuts off :/
[00:40] <j0hndoe> are usb3 out yet, i dont see products like it like ssd
[00:40] <j0hndoe> how do I make it swap less, can I just reduce swap size? to like around 128mb
[00:41] <phillw> j0hndoe: and then your system will halt. Swap is only used when there is not enough RAM
[00:41] <KM0201> j0hndoe: thats not a good idea.
[00:41] <KM0201> woops, phil beat me
[00:41] <Pegasus_RPG> j0hndoe: what apps are you running? Perhaps lighter alternatives exist
[00:42] <Pegasus_RPG> or you can try out Tiny Core Linux
[00:42] <phillw> Windows had the same system of swapping to the hard disk.
[00:42] <j0hndoe> yeah, im using heavy resource applications
[00:42] <phillw> only much worse, hence them trying it onto a usb2 device :P
[00:42] <j0hndoe> i remove the lightweight ones like abiword and gnumeric and installed the whole libreoffice package lol
[00:42] <phillw> j0hndoe: invest in some RAM, then :)
[00:42] <Pegasus_RPG> indeed
[00:43] <KM0201> pretty much, get more ram.
[00:43] <Pegasus_RPG> Or a Commodore 64 and run apps designed for it ;)
[00:43] <j0hndoe> I tried tinycore but I can't get it to install, i try mounting but i dont see the intall button, i might have to do some more research or howTo
[00:44] <phillw> other options are SSD harddrive. but it will still not give the benefit of extra ram as you are hitting the bus bandwidth instead of your CPU chatting directly to RAM.
[00:44] <j0hndoe> when i ran slitaz live USB i saw 40 Mb ram used, but I can't get the network going, so I go back to lubuntu lol.
[00:45] <j0hndoe> ya, ill see what i can do with getting more ram
[00:47] <phillw> j0hndoe: untill you have a silly amount of RAM, 384 to 512 MB will make such a difference to your system.
[00:48] <phillw> but, your system is not really to spec for playing BluRay movies!
[00:48] <KM0201> it's barely spec for playing hidef youtube videos.
[00:48] <KM0201> lol
[00:50] <Pegasus_RPG> So does anyone know how to get an application to auto-start on login?
[00:51] <phillw> Pegasus_RPG: yup, it is called RTFM :P
[00:52] <phillw> Pegasus_RPG: to save you hunting through the topic links, the link to FAQ is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[00:56] <Pegasus_RPG> oh thank you
[00:57] <KM0201> can somebody do me a favor, right click panel, panel settings, panel applets tab, highlight menu, click edit, and tell me the path/name that is there.
[00:58] <KM0201> that's assuming you have the default lubuntu menu icon of course
[02:27] <Pegasus_RPG> will vino work to remote control the primary desktop in lubuntu too
[02:27] <Pegasus_RPG> ?
[04:37] <jmarsden> Pegasus_RPG: Yes.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/RemoteDesktop
[08:23] <pete__> hi
[08:24] <jmarsden> Welcome to #lubuntu
[08:25] <pete__> I'm having a little stuggle with Lubuntu x64,
[08:25] <pete__> I want compiz to load by default on start up
[08:26] <pete__> So, I went to Desktop Session Settings > Advanced Options
[08:26] <pete__> and put in Compiz
[08:26] <pete__> but it didn't work
[08:26] <pete__> so I changed it to compiz --replace
[08:26] <pete__> still doesn't work
[08:27] <pete__> so, now I reckon, I just want to load the command "compiz --replace"
[08:27] <jmarsden> Well, Lubuntu is mostly designed for lower spec machines and getting useful work done, not fancy 3D glitz and glamour.  There was a blog about doing that... http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=1442
[08:27] <pete__> at startup but don't know where to put it
[08:28] <pete__> funny, I followed that guide...
[08:28] <pete__> though it needed a couple of tweaks...
[08:28] <jmarsden> Hmmm, he talks about emerald --replace not compiz --replace, I thought...
[08:28] <pete__> now I just want to load that command at startup.  How do I do it?
[08:29] <pete__> yes, emerald --replace
[08:29] <jmarsden> That's not what you said earlier... ?
[08:29] <pete__> compiz --replace what I put in Desktop Session Settings > Advanced options
[08:29] <avelldiroll> if you want a light compositing WM if find xcompmgr a good choice for lxde
[08:30] <pete__> I put emerald --replace in the Compiz configuration
[08:30] <pete__> we've lost the point here.
[08:30] <pete__> I want to run a command at startup.  how do I go that?
[08:30] <avelldiroll> you will have transparency and shadows, no 3D eye candy though
[08:30] <pete__> if I wanted skype to load at startup - how do I do that?
[08:31] <jmarsden> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#How%20I%20can%20autostart%20a%20program%20when%20logging%20in%20to%20Desktop
[08:31] <pete__> thanks
[08:31] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[08:33] <pete__> pete@Acer:~$ cp /usr/share/applications/urxvtd.desktop ~/.config/autostart/
[08:33] <pete__> cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/applications/urxvtd.desktop': No such file or directory
[08:33] <bioterror> you know urxvt is not skype
[08:33] <bioterror> it's just an example
[08:37] <pete__> brb
[09:35] <LXCC-Vincenzo> join #Ubuntu-it
[09:35] <LXCC-Vincenzo> *sorry*
[13:00] <gentoo_drummer> anyone here?
[13:00] <gentoo_drummer> after uninstalling lxdm startx wont launch lxde
[13:01] <gentoo_drummer> any ideas?
[14:37] <silverarrow> anyone using VLC in lubuntu?
[14:37] <silverarrow> I downloaded VLC, and it ran fine for a while
[14:37] <silverarrow> then after attempting to add nightlies, it does't work at all any more
[14:38] <silverarrow> what ever I play, there is audio, but no picture
[14:40] <silverarrow> any idea?
[14:41] <silverarrow> maybe I shall wait for the new release and not fuzz at all with it
[14:50] <KM0201> silverarrow: or don't fuzz w nightlies?  nightlies tend to be buggy.
[14:50] <silverarrow> oh?
[14:50] <KM0201> well yeah
[14:50] <silverarrow> bugg is that nothing works now
[14:50] <silverarrow> lol
[14:51] <KM0201> dunno, works fine here (not using nightly)
[14:51] <silverarrow> even youtube videos?
[14:52] <silverarrow> I had trouble steaming and playing dowloaded youtubevideos,
[14:52] <silverarrow> no, nothing works
[14:53] <silverarrow> now*
[14:54] <KM0201> ..
[15:38] <silverarrow> bioterror, I am still trying to find the ideal coffee for the coffee maker
[15:39] <silverarrow> very high brow nick!
[15:39] <silverarrow> LAcan I  mean
[15:43] <LAcan> lol thx
[16:28] <j0hndoe> I'm planning to create multiple partition on my hdd, is there a defragmenting software/tool for linux?
[16:30] <silverarrow> other than G parted you mean?
[16:30] <KM0201> j0hndoe: defragginging isn't something linux has to do... you can used gparted, to partition the drive.
[16:30] <KM0201> if you want to defrag your drive, you need to boot windows, and do it w/ windows.
[16:31] <j0hndoe> ya ty, i found out ext4 doesnt get fragmented
[16:31] <silverarrow> I mean, you just sort of make the partitions in linux,
[16:31] <silverarrow> oh, that is why
[16:31] <j0hndoe> now my questions is, why cant I edit the partition, it says Sda1  with a key on it
[16:31] <j0hndoe> i can't shrink or edit the partition
[16:32] <j0hndoe> is it lock?
[16:32] <silverarrow> I might have to mark it off, or something like that
[16:32] <Unit193> You need to boot from a liveCD to resize the partition you're using
[16:32] <silverarrow> g-parted is a bit fickely like that
[16:32] <j0hndoe> oh ok, ty. brb
[16:33] <silverarrow> I found it easiest to make partitions from puppy linux for some reason
[16:33] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. Just checking: If I want to install Lubuntu via PXE boot, I would just get the ubuntu netboot image then apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, right?
[16:33] <silverarrow> even though it is the same gparted, it sort of easier to maneuver
[16:34] <KM0201> silverarrow: its the same program, unless puppy has re-written a GUI for it.
[16:34] <silverarrow> yeah, it is the same
[16:34] <Unit193> Pegasus_RPG: Natty? IIRC, Natty still needed sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[16:35] <silverarrow> at least in name and generally, a bit different
[16:35] <silverarrow> KM0201, but still it is slightly different
[16:36] <KM0201> silverarrow: well, it'd be silly to download and burn puppy, just for gparted, when you have another cd w/ it alrady on there.
[16:37] <silverarrow> lol, its' all right
[16:38] <Unit193> I think this is more fitting of -offtopic
[16:38] <silverarrow> I too use g'parted in the lubuntu cd when installing lol
[16:38] <silverarrow> true
[16:38] <Pegasus_RPG> Unit193: yes, current stable
[16:38] <Pegasus_RPG> thanks
[16:38] <LubuntuPowered> there's no button for bookmarks in chromium? the only way to get to  it is with a new tab?
[16:39]  * Pegasus_RPG prefers to edit /etc/apt/apt.conf to never install recommends and suggested packages :)
[16:39] <silverarrow> there is a star
[16:39] <LubuntuPowered> that's just to add a new bookmark
[16:39] <Unit193> Ctrl+b should bring it up
[16:39] <silverarrow> a star at the right in the address line
[16:40] <Unit193> silverarrow: Only if he wants to ADD a bookmark
[16:40] <LubuntuPowered> ctrl+b doesnt work
[16:40] <silverarrow> and from the "wrench tool" you can choose to show a book mark line
[16:41] <LubuntuPowered> oh yeah
[16:41] <silverarrow> wrench-preferences-always show bookmark line or something like taht
[16:41] <LubuntuPowered> good job
[16:41] <LubuntuPowered> thanks
[16:43] <silverarrow> I like chromium because you can use only the ikon as book mark without adding name
[16:44] <Unit193> That can be done in others too
[16:44] <silverarrow> and it is a bit like Opera with the "fast dial" on the screen
[16:44] <silverarrow> yes firefox
[16:44] <silverarrow> but not, IE, or Midori and some
[16:46] <KM0201> i like the "Fast Dial" option in Opera... was glad to see Chrome implement it.. there's a Firefox extension that adds it to ffox
[16:50] <silverarrow> there are?
[16:51] <KM0201> of course
[16:51] <silverarrow> I remember when I helped my brother with his new latop (when vista was current), there was a FF version with fast dials as default
[16:51] <silverarrow> but I never saw it again after that
[16:51] <KM0201> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/speed-dial/
[16:51] <silverarrow> thanks
[16:52] <silverarrow> I like opera too
[16:52] <KM0201> i like that "feature" in opera, not much else
[16:53] <silverarrow> for a while I Used Puppy Linux, for some reason Opera was the only one working fast and trouble free for a while
[16:54] <silverarrow> it got better after some fixing, but after that I was sort of into Opera
[16:54] <silverarrow> now I have lubuntu on both of my computers, even though the stationary one easily takes ubuntu
[16:55] <KM0201> silverarrow: same here, my new laptop will run ubuntu fine, but.. lubuntu has won me over, even w/ some of the things that irritate me about it.
[16:55] <silverarrow> there's always something lol
[19:42] <mkoer> hi all
[19:42] <mkoer> i am new here
[19:42] <mkoer> lub    is there Alternate
[19:42] <mkoer> thanks
[19:43] <mkoer> lub 11.04
[19:48] <Unit193> mkoer: Are you asking for Lubuntu 11.04 Alt install CD?
[19:48] <mkoer> yes
[19:49] <Unit193> There isn't one exactly, but you can do a mini (also called a netinstall)
[19:50] <Unit193> mkoer: There should be a link in the /topic for it
[19:50] <KM0201> the netinstall just takes forever
[19:50] <Unit193> Here is direct link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[19:51] <bioterror> KM0201, why it takes forever? ;)
[19:52] <KM0201> dunno, just took me forever when i did one
[19:52] <Unit193> Slow internet
[19:52] <KM0201> which makes sense, it's downloading all the junk from the net
[19:52] <bioterror> yeah, guess what
[19:52] <KM0201> Unit193: not really, 8 down, 1.5up
[19:52] <bioterror> that iso file is leeched from net
[19:52] <bioterror> and then you upgrade it from the net
[19:52] <KM0201> say what?
[19:53] <bioterror> with net install you're up-to-date instantly
[19:53] <bioterror> (or atleast you should be ;)
[19:55] <mkoer> but my Friend‘s adsl  only  512bit/s    he in Western china    :-(
[19:56] <bioterror> my parents has 1/0.5 ;)
[19:56] <bioterror> it's slow
[19:56] <bioterror> I can surf image boards with that
[19:56] <bioterror> cant
[19:59] <mkoer> is there Alternate cd at lub 11.10?
[20:00] <mkoer> is there Alternate at lub11.10
[20:01] <bioterror> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20110818/ no there's not
[20:07] <mkoer> I think the computer's memory using linux are less than 256ＭＢ
[20:07] <mkoer> your think??  :-)
[20:08] <mkoer> linux=lxde
[22:46] <poluxcrs> Bonjour - hello
[22:49] <poluxcrs> i'm french - so sorry for my bad english but i've a question to Lubuntu for my netbook
[22:51] <phillw> hiyas poluxcrs I will try my best, unless gilir is still about?
[22:52] <j0hndoe> hey guys I got a question, so this is what happen, the new version of puppy-linux 5.2.8 says it can now run .deb package, sounds enticing right? so yea I went and install it on another partition like I did before, didn't install grub because I want to use Lubuntu's grub2, so I went and log back into lubuntu & did 'sudo os-prober' then 'sudo update-grub' then it shows 2 O.S. which is lubuntu and no puppy-linux, am I doing something wrong?
[22:52] <j0hndoe>  I did it before...
[22:53] <phillw> j0hndoe: that sounds like a grub issue, not a lubuntu one?
[22:53] <phillw> !grub
[22:54] <poluxcrs> my display is in 800x600 but i could change this resolution to 800x480 and 1024x600 but i haven't got xorg.conf to /etc/X11/
[22:54] <j0hndoe> ya, like i did before, I installed lubuntu and want to use its grub2, so when I install other distro like puppy linux, i skip its grub install and use lubuntu's grub2 instead by doing os-prober then update-grub  but this time its not working
[22:55] <z3rods> How would one go about connecting to a samba share? I've been searching on Google for about an hour now
[22:56] <phillw> polBonjour, le seul orateur français je sais, c'est notre tête de leur développement. Il est très occupé, mais je vous aiderai du mieux que je peux.
[22:56] <j0hndoe> so basically the problem is, how do I make grub2 detect puppy linux
[22:56] <poluxcrs> phillw speak french ?
[22:56] <phillw> z3rods: samba is seen by the later pcmanfm systems - ensure yours is up to date.
[22:56] <z3rods> hmm
[22:57] <poluxcrs> I managed to change it on ubuntu as it existed on the Lubuntu 11.04 xorg.conf file does not exist
[22:57] <poluxcrs> is this normal?
[22:58] <phillw> poluxcrs: non, J'utilise Google translate pour plusieurs langues. il n'est pas parfait, mais il semble acceptableListenRate translation
[22:58] <poluxcrs> me too
[22:58] <poluxcrs> ^^
[23:00] <phillw> xorg n'est plus installé par défaut. Si vous en avez besoin (le système ne fonctionne pas sur les paramètres par défaut), alors vous pouvez forcer le système à créer un.
[23:01] <phillw> j0hndoe: if os-prober cannot find it, I have no idea. os-prober is pretty darn good at its job :/
[23:01] <z3rods> well there are updates. I'll try updating
[23:01] <j0hndoe> yea, i did os-prober, it ask for password, then nothing.
[23:02] <poluxcrs> I already have a website xorg.conf "www.ubuntu-fr.org" if I put it in / etc/X11 is this correct?
[23:03] <z3rods> what would you guys recommend for network sharing between Ubuntu and Lubuntu PCs? I'm sure there's a better method than samba
[23:03] <j0hndoe> phillw I might have to talk to puppy-linux guys see what's up, cuz the installation ask for some weird stuff I never seen before from previous puppy-linux version
[23:03] <j0hndoe> phillw, but thnx anyways
[23:03] <z3rods> In fact, I only have samba because this PC used to be Windows before I found Lubuntu
[23:03] <knome> z3rods, ssh
[23:03] <poluxcrs> how else to force the system to create one ?
[23:04] <z3rods> knome: ssh for file sharing?
[23:04] <knome> z3rods, or ftp.
[23:05] <Unit193> j0hndoe: I take it you did    sudo os-prober   and not just  os-prober ?
[23:05] <z3rods> I was considering that solution
[23:05] <z3rods> It wouldn't be much more difficult than an HTTP server
[23:05] <knome> z3rods, i'm acutally using xubuntu, but sshfs is a great tool to do easy filesharing over ssh
[23:05] <knome> z3rods, no, just install openssh-server
[23:05] <z3rods> hmm
[23:06] <knome> z3rods, then 'sshfs other-machine:/path/to/somewhere /mountpoint/on/local/'
[23:06] <knome> z3rods, (from the other machine of course)
[23:06] <knome> z3rods, well, you also need to install the sshfs package of course :)
[23:06] <z3rods> ok
[23:06] <z3rods> seems easy
[23:07] <knome> it is extremely easy
[23:07] <z3rods> thanks knome
[23:07] <knome> np
[23:07] <poluxcrs> phillw : http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/hercules_ecafe_ec800 , Here is the doc in French with the xorg.conf file is that I can directly put it in X11, or should I force the system to create one before
[23:07] <Unit193> j0hndoe: I see you did. Mind giving   sudo blkid   a shot to see what it finds?
[23:07] <z3rods> I hope updating this time around doesn't break my wireless :(
[23:08] <z3rods> oops
[23:08] <z3rods> restart
[23:09] <phillw> poluxcrs: les instructions sont en anglais, je pensais que Ubuntu a eu un principal forum en français? .. En fait,j'étais aussi dit qu'ils n'étaient pas poli de Commers nouvelle.
[23:09] <phillw> Le lien est http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1401835
[23:10] <j0hndoe> Unit193, /dev/sda3: UUID="8e0b4d89-244d-4662-8b15-02a5f82520f0" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
[23:10] <j0hndoe> /dev/sda1: UUID="b652aef8-b567-412f-be51-d0a16bc0a69e" TYPE="ext4"
[23:10] <j0hndoe> /dev/sda5: UUID="0e6a102a-7cb2-406e-b002-63fe08c6e126" TYPE="swap"
[23:11] <j0hndoe> Unit193, I installed puppy-linux on sda3
[23:13] <poluxcrs> Thanks Phillw i'm testing , I wish you all a good night
[23:15] <phillw> j0hndoe: pop onto #lubuntu-offtopic I will be there is a few minutes as Unit193 needs to head off for bed.
[23:16] <j0hndoe> phillw, ok


 Hi, how are release notes coming along? :)
 @sgmoore Could you please ACK a respin for this fix? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/+bug/2063403
 should be the last one, makes OEM mode fully functional
 Release notes are done. (re @tsimonq2: Hi, how are release notes coming along? :))
 Ok (re @tsimonq2: @sgmoore Could you please ACK a respin for this fix? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/+bug/2063403
 should be the last one, makes OEM mode fully functional)
[13:46] <sgmoore> Folks, we have a release https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/24.04/release/ with rick_timmis on vaca does anyone know how to post on Kubuntu News on the website?
[14:25] <sgmoore> Trying to follow instructions on github.. delay on our announcement till I sort it out.
 The website is still WP so I know how to do it and a few others do as well.
[14:26] <sgmoore> Can you do a release announcement ? Please :)
[14:27] <sgmoore> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NobleNumbat/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu?_ga=2.208533393.265039589.1714046491-109160097.1711352041 is already done, a quick announcement with link to that should do
[14:29] <sgmoore> Err https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NobleNumbat/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu not sure where that other string came from haha
 Is the Gear and Framework versions correct?
 I have a draft up on the site. : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/7e9edb69/file_74838.jpg
 Just need a new screenshot and confirm version numbers.
 frameworks is at 5.115
 the screenshot is also wrong
 I know I do need a new one.
 you can find the it.. sec
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NobleUpgrades/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=NoblePlasma.png
 What KDE Gear version?
 23.08.5
 Ah that is correct then.
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/7f79da88/file_74839.jpg
 upgrades from 22.04 have also been tested and good
 Looks good though, thanks so much @ahoneybun !!!
 👍 I can release it if you want or wait for another pair of eyes like valorie
 We can give her an hour or so, I don't think Ubuntu main has done theirs yet.
 No some other flavors have but not main.
 Lets wait for main.
 It's official:
 https://x.com/Canonical/status/1783520942242550190
[16:10] <RikMills> thank you all. applogies for not being able to do as much this cycle. you people have made it more than up :)
[16:10] <RikMills> very proud of what you have done
 Looks good so no worries, I imagine it's been good with Scarlett back around!
 Best move I ever made, thank you all so much for the opportunity. I am beyond happy to be back home.
 Go ahead and push the button on our release post if you haven't already. Thanks :) (re @ahoneybun: Looks good so no worries, I imagine it's been good with Scarlett back around!)
 It's live! https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-24-04-lts-noble-numbat-released/
[19:48] <valorie> \o/
[19:48] <valorie> please don't wait for me; I've been trying to get ready to leave in the am....


[16:39] <EdwardMorbius> hello, unity 8 on my 16.10 constantly gets hard locked on nouveau, is there a fix in the works?
[21:31] <Fudge> anyone use unity 7.2 from trusty with xenial kernel/graphics upgrade on a core 2 q6600? mine is quite bogged down
[21:32] <Fudge> with onboard G31 video


[06:30] <cerebrate> has anyone seen lxle lately?
[06:31] <cerebrate> i mean the handle not the distro
[06:31] <cerebrate> i haven't talked to him in a long time
[21:00] <luckydb> does anybody have reliable equalizer in lubuntu? :)
[21:00] <luckydb> pulseaudio
[21:13] <phillw> luckydb: I don't get too involved, but I have had good results with alsamixer-gui
[21:16] <luckydb> phillw, thx
[21:18] <luckydb> phillw, it is just volue contron, not eq :)
[21:19] <holstein> lubuntu is alsa only still though, correct?
[21:20] <holstein> luckydb: how about per application? like in VLC?
[21:21] <luckydb> holstein, agree but what about youtube? :)
[21:23] <holstein> luckydb: there are plenty of options for using pluse.. maybe try a live distro like xubuntu
[21:24] <phillw> luckydb: I suggest you ask the good people at ubuntu-studio, that flavour is specifically for 'studio' work and they are nice people (I know a few of them), it is based on xubuntu; so anything they recommend should not pull in a pile of massive libraries.
[21:24] <holstein> well, we would just have JACK options
[21:24] <holstein> and i think JACk is overkill.. though, it would open the possiblities up tremensousely
[21:25] <holstein> luckydb: you could ask in #opensourcemusicians


[04:19] <guiverc> Bashing-om, just FYI, but I've made a number of changes; some were only made as 'suggestions' on gdoc
[04:21] <Bashing-om> guiverc: looking ^ .
[04:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Agreed and all done // Full Disk Encryption  in Canonicval News section - we want to move it up ad summarize ?
[04:32]  * guiverc opening article  (sorry I think I missed; didn't see that one)
[04:32] <guiverc> yeah it looks interesting to me (for desktop users)
[04:35] <guiverc> i can write a summary for it in 40-140 mins if helpful
[04:39] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Great - I like your summaries better than what I write up :D
[05:39] <guiverc> Bashing-om, summary done; you can move to wherever you had in mine (original listed-point remains & can be deleted etc)
[05:42] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Doing - thanks
[05:50] <guiverc> looks good, thanks Bashing-om
[05:54] <Bashing-om> :D
[12:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Control Nanoleaf Lights on Linux Using a GNOME Extensions @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/09/control-nanoleaf-lights-from-linux


[05:06] <holstein> akgraner: ping?
[05:07] <akgraner> pong
[05:07] <akgraner> what's up?
[05:07] <holstein> :)
[05:07] <holstein> i got my section up to date
[05:07] <holstein> 'in other news'
[05:07] <holstein> i have a busy day tomorrow though
[05:07] <akgraner> thank you!
[05:07] <holstein> if there is more
[05:07] <holstein> i could do it in the AM
[05:08] <holstein> akgraner: i did it on the etherpad
[05:08] <akgraner> ok - i'm going to sleep for a couple hours then work on it...
[05:08] <akgraner> holstein, thanks
[05:08] <holstein> i'll try and take a peek at it before i take off tomorrow
[05:09] <akgraner> thank you!
[05:09] <holstein> see if there is anything added
[05:09] <holstein> :)
[05:09] <holstein> akgraner: sleep well
[05:10] <akgraner> :-)  catch you in the am...
[05:10] <holstein> thats a musician AM
[05:10] <holstein> like 10 or so ;)
[05:11] <akgraner> hehe - Becca says the same thing!
[05:11] <holstein> :)
[08:14] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: I just discovered something pretty interesting that we could use to cover more Ubuntu news and focus our energy more on community work and less on press  - type news.  You might like this since you're probably already inclined in that direction anyway.
[08:17] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: Its a web site devoted to Ubuntu news that has an rss feed.  So my idea is that we could use the rss feed within the newsletter, and then we'd just scour sources and the community for things that the rss feed would miss, like stories about locos and community events and community personalities and such.
[08:24] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: so the web site is http://www.ubuntu-news.net/ and it has several different rss feeds that separate things into different categories, much like you do in the newsletter.  This could be very handy!
[08:29] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: even if you chose not to just use their feeds straight into the newsletter, (which i think could be pretty workable since their selections seem pretty compatible with yours), you could at least utilize them internally as a steady stream of items that are coming to you (w/o effort on your part) and use them as a starting point from which you could choose items.
[08:31] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: it doesn't even require search effort on the team's part.  Rather what the challenge for us would be to find things NOT covered by those feeds, like the community-oriented things i mentioned above.
[15:44] <Pendulum> akgraner: what was on the google doc for ITB is done. I'm only semi-around today, but feel free to poke me (here or by phone) if you need anything more as I should be able to get to a computer anytime before about 4
[16:06] <holstein> MichealH: https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[16:06] <MichealH> Thanks
[16:06] <holstein> :)
[16:07] <MichealH> :D
[16:27] <holstein> MichealH: you having trouble with ietherpad?
[16:28] <akgraner> Good Morning everyone! :-)
[16:28] <akgraner> Pendulum, thanks!
[16:28] <holstein> hey akgraner
[16:29] <holstein> im about to head out for the day
[16:29] <holstein> akgraner: i moved my 6 articles over to the WIKI
[16:29] <akgraner> nUboo2Age - that isn't the only site to do that based on the newsletter and the fridge - there are at least 3 others - but the fridge is moving in that direction  thanks for all your suggestions though
[16:30] <akgraner> holstein, thank you!  I am looking at the wiki now :-)
[16:33] <akgraner> oh how sad - there are no new brainstorm ideas this week - johnc4510 when was the last time we didn't have brainstorm ideas in the newsletter - wow
[16:34] <akgraner> well in the popular ideas portion - I am know there are ideas in the sandbox  :-/
[16:49] <akgraner> hey inter
[16:49] <akgraner> auto tab fail there
[16:49] <akgraner> hey internalkernel!
[16:50] <internalkernel> lol... hiya akgraner
[16:56] <MichealH> holstein: Why you ask?
[16:57] <holstein> MichealH: yeah, i should have been more clear, sorry
[16:57] <holstein> it seems down
[16:57] <holstein> wont load
[16:57] <akgraner> MichealH, he asked b/c http://ietherpad.com/UWN won't load atm
[16:58] <akgraner> he was checking to see if it was him or if everyone was having that trouble :-)
[16:59] <holstein> well, later all
[16:59] <holstein> good luck with the letters and pads :)
[16:59] <scott_ev> mornin
[17:04] <akgraner> holstein, have fun! Thanks!
[17:04] <akgraner> scott_ev, hey! how are you today?
[17:11] <scott_ev> akgraner: OK< working on my section
[17:11] <akgraner> ok thanks!
[17:12] <akgraner> Riddell, ping  - since you are in the Channel :-)   is there any Kubuntu News this week?
[17:12] <Riddell> akgraner: depends when the week is, me and Aurelien and NCommander went to akademy last week
[17:13] <Riddell> Aurelien won an award
[17:13] <Riddell> NCommander spoke about ARM
[17:13] <akgraner> yeah I think those were last issue
[17:13] <akgraner> anything between the 11-17th that got posted :-)
[17:14] <Riddell> we switched video player from dragon to kaffeine as an experiment
[17:15] <akgraner> Riddell, do you have a link or is that on a mailing list?
[17:16] <Riddell> Koffice 2.2.1 got into maverick and lucid backportss
[17:16] <Riddell> Koffice 2.2.1 got into maverick and lucid back~z
[17:17] <akgraner> That's from this on the Kubuntu site right?  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/koffice-2.2.1
[17:19] <Riddell> yes
[17:21] <Riddell> only link for kaffeine is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.maverick/revision/960
[17:21] <Riddell> while you're at it you may as well add that plasma global menu also got on the CD http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.maverick/revision/961
[17:24] <akgraner> Thanks let me see if I can write a good "Kubuntu News this week" paragraph and link to all that - Since I am not active in the Kubuntu community - I am not sure what the hot topics are?  so thanks!
[17:26] <akgraner> Riddell, thanks!
[17:27] <akgraner> MichealH, do you feel comfortable with writing the planet summaries?
[17:28] <akgraner> and if so are you working on those now?  I think highvoltage was moving this weekend..or at least I think that's what he mentioned on Friday during Dev Week
[17:28] <akgraner> internalkernel, are you working on the in the press stuff?
[17:30] <MichealH> akgraner: Yes I just need to find a intresting article
[17:30] <MichealH> I am now gaming
[17:31] <akgraner> MichealH, the links are listed in the wiki
[17:32] <akgraner> you don't need to find an article this week :-)  Just need you to read the links that are there and summarize them in the "The Planet" section
[17:33] <akgraner> they are both listed on the googledoc, the etherpad, and the wiki  :-)
[17:34] <akgraner> The ones on the eitherpad are crossed out b/c I moved the to the wiki that's all
[17:38] <internalkernel> akgraner: I will be, at least I'll see what I can find... lol... I haven't seen anything come up this week yet.
[17:38] <akgraner> MichealH, does that make sense to ya
[17:38] <akgraner> internalkernel, look at - http://ietherpad.com/UWN-Ideas
[17:38] <internalkernel> I was thinking about putting up a couple links about remnux and maybe pentest - two security distros absed on ubuntu
[17:39] <akgraner> I was going to pull a few from there and I also added a link earlier this week
[17:39] <internalkernel> works for me, remnux is in there too...
[17:39] <akgraner> the remnus and pentest  would go into ION though
[17:39] <internalkernel> kill the first one - ubuntu X server - we posted that one a week or two ago...
[17:40] <akgraner> the ones below the the line on the ideas page are the ones I have already read
[17:40] <akgraner> I don't want us more ION stories that we do the other sections
[17:40]  * internalkernel nods
[17:41] <akgraner> which is why I haven't added more yet - but take a read through all of the ones on that page and see what you come up with if you don't mind..
[17:42] <internalkernel> Im sure I can pull a few out for In the Press - I saw a couple already... I still have yet to check my feeds today as well...
[17:42] <akgraner> ok thanks!
[17:49] <scott_ev> akgraner: I'm done
[17:49] <scott_ev> it's in the wiki
[17:49] <akgraner> scott_ev, Thanks!!!
[17:50] <scott_ev> np, thanks for the opportunity
[17:51] <akgraner> scott_ev, can you check the formatting I think you have a space in front of the [17:51] <nigelb> anything for loco news?
[17:52] <akgraner> nigelb, I have that in already...
[17:53] <nigelb> the doc seems empty
[17:53] <akgraner> but if you have time and what to - touch base with MichealH and maybe you could help write those summaries
[17:53] <nigelb> I'm just opening up the etherpad
[17:53] <akgraner> nigelb, it is empty  - I added them to the wiki already ;-)
[17:53] <nigelb> ahhh
[17:53] <nigelb> gah
[17:53] <akgraner> if the googledoc and the etherpad are empty always look at the wiki :-)
[17:56] <akgraner> scott_ev, I got it - there were too many spaces between the == line and the [17:57] <scott_ev> yeah, now I have a version conflict
[17:59] <akgraner> it didn't tell me you were in there?
[17:59] <nigelb> MichealH: I'm writing a few summaries in the doc.  take a look when you get back
[17:59] <akgraner> when you logged into the wiki - did it tell you I was in it at the top?
[18:00] <akgraner> nigelb, thank you!
[18:00] <nigelb> akgraner: no problem :)
[18:00] <akgraner> scott_ev, did you just cancel out of your's
[18:00] <akgraner> yours
[18:01] <scott_ev> hold a sec
[18:01] <scott_ev> I think I got it fixed
[18:02] <akgraner> I had it fixed and saved???  unless you were fixing something else
[18:03] <akgraner> no worries
[18:03] <akgraner> The conflict error johnc4510 and I had one time effect almost the whole wiki
[18:04] <akgraner> so that's no big deal :-)
[18:06] <scott_ev> look now
[18:07] <scott_ev> all fixed
[18:07] <akgraner> Thanks! :-D
[18:07] <scott_ev> np
[18:20] <nigelb> I've finished all but 2 links in the planet section.
[18:20] <nigelb> One of them I dunno what to write and the other one I can't do justice
[18:20] <nigelb> ;)
[18:21] <akgraner> I'll look
[18:25] <akgraner> ok look at the google doc now
[18:25] <akgraner> nigelb, often for some things our summaries are longer than the post :-)
[18:27] <nigelb> akgraner: ahh
[18:27] <akgraner> Does what I wrote make sense to you after having seen the post?
[18:27] <nigelb> And, I can't do justice to penny's post, its so nice to cut any part
[18:28] <akgraner> yep  - it will go into the GCN in full unless the newsletter is just too long but that is my goal atm for that article - I should have pulled it from "The Planet" earlier  - sorry about that
[18:29] <akgraner> hey nigelb how much longer will you be online?
[18:29] <akgraner> If you have a minute I'd like to ask a favor :-)
[18:30] <akgraner> I created the new loco-calendar to be added to the fridge - but we have held off adding it to the fridge until the "HOWTO" for adding to it is complete
[18:30] <nigelb> Its close to 11 pm, I'm thinking of tucking in.
[18:30] <akgraner> nigelb, that's cool - just thought I would ask!
[18:30] <akgraner> :-P
[18:31] <nigelb> I can do it first thing in the morning though :)
[18:31] <akgraner> sweet - thanks let me get you the information!
[18:32] <akgraner> nigelb, modify these instructions  - so instead of the fridge calendar it's for the LoCo Events Calendar  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar
[18:33] <akgraner> nigelb, here is the page you need to add it to - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/LoCoCalendar
[18:33] <nigelb> and where do you want me to add it?
[18:33] <nigelb> awesome,will do
[18:33]  * nigelb saves to text file
[18:33] <akgraner> thanks!  so much!
[18:34] <akgraner> once you get it done can you ask a few people to add to it to make sure it works - let me get you the link to it as it's not public yet
[18:34] <akgraner> well it is if you know the link but I haven't sent the word out to the world yet about it
[18:36] <akgraner> http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=cnkg44crsf9qpnr918snkaidf8%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York
[18:43] <scott_ev> akgraner: do you have a sec to go to https://sgwin.ath.cx and see if it takes you to a flash login?
[18:43] <scott_ev> well, ajax...
[18:47] <akgraner> scott_ev, I get a security warning  - The site's security certificate is not trusted!
[18:47] <scott_ev> understood
[18:47] <scott_ev> trust it; it's my NAS
[18:48] <scott_ev> akgraner: trust it, get the certificate and see if it takes you to the ajax login, please
[18:49] <akgraner> no login - takes me to - https://sgwin.ath.cx/index.php
[18:49] <scott_ev> yeah, 3 bubbles popup?
[18:49] <akgraner> DOH - if you click the bubbles you get a login
[18:49] <scott_ev> thanks
[18:49] <scott_ev> that's all I need
[19:22] <akgraner> Good Grief it is storming here ..
[19:23] <scott_ev> nice
[19:23] <akgraner> it is as long is it doesn't take out the wifi tower on the mountain again
[19:45] <scott_ev> ah
[19:45] <scott_ev> no doubt
[20:29] <Pendulum> akgraner: is it upping your humidity or lowering it?
[20:38] <internalkernel> I dont know about akgraner's humidity, but it feels like I'm in a swimming pool over here...
[20:38] <internalkernel> akgraner: I finished In The Press on the Gdoc - you can copy and past that into the wiki...
[20:39] <internalkernel> The last post - This Week in Design, maybe should be in a different section... I'll let you decide, and add another link from the peanut gallery...
[20:42] <Pendulum> internalkernel: yeah, it's like that here
[21:03] <akgraner> internalkernel, yep humidity is awful here as well!
[21:03] <akgraner> I'll move the stuff over as well ;-)
[21:03] <internalkernel> I'm weating scuba gear...
[21:04] <internalkernel> wearing even
[21:04] <akgraner> yeah I know what you mean
[21:04] <internalkernel> yeah, let me know when you get to editing - I have to pay attention to my daughter for a bit...
[21:04] <akgraner> internalkernel, you do what you need to :-)  she is cuter anyway than the newsletter!
[21:30] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: I'm just returning and wondered did you see my  (above) irc post(s)?
[21:30] <akgraner> I did
[21:30] <akgraner> did you see my reply?
[21:31] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: no let me look again...
[21:32] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: let me check the log...
[21:32] <akgraner> nUboo2Age - that isn't the only site to do that based on the newsletter and the fridge - there are at least 3 others - but the fridge is moving in that direction  thanks for all your suggestions though
[21:34] <akgraner> we are a trusted source of information and each article is read and in the cases of tutorials and howto's the steps are verified when possible
[21:35] <akgraner> so we don't want to do anything that would make it seem like we aren't checking all of our information
[21:35] <akgraner> it's much more than just posting links
[21:35] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: it doesn't look like that one is based on the fridge because the items are hot off the press (and if they were based on the newsletter/fridge they'd be a week behind).
[21:36] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, it's not exactly what the fridge is now
[21:37] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i'm not clear on what you mean.  i looked at the fridge and maybe i don't know where to look, but i only see the newsletter and other similar items, no brand new news feeds.
[21:37] <akgraner> The Fridge is for current stuff
[21:38] <akgraner> UWN is a snap shot in time of the community
[21:38] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, you won't see all that yet b/c the new fridge isn't up yet  - but that is the direction it is going
[21:39] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: so does that mean that part of the function of the newsletter will go away or at least morph?
[21:39] <akgraner> no the newsletter will still be a snapshot in time of the events of the last week
[21:40] <akgraner> but there are new formats coming out that the News Team will review then they will go to the wider community to review
[21:41] <akgraner> people rely on UWN to be a review of the last week  - they know that if they have been really busy  and not had a chance to follow the planet or their RSS feeds they will get all the highlight from UWN
[21:41] <akgraner> or even mailing lists
[21:42] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: so i think my idea still stand up.  i mentioned that even if it wasn't used as a direct news feed, it could still be a place that we checked first for content, pulled anything we liked, and then we know what NOT to spend time looking for.  ie if its on that feed we know that someone (you or someone you designate) will snag it, so anything we look for should NOT be in the feed.
[21:42] <akgraner> I get all those feeds as it is not
[21:42] <akgraner> now
[21:42] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: also they include a summary that is useful.
[21:43] <akgraner> I don't spend a ton of time looking for information anymore - my time is spent writing the summaries - the most time I look for information is for loco news and stuff
[21:43] <akgraner> and publishing the newsletter once it's readt
[21:43] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i'm not sure if you're saying you get the raw feeds that they are using to cull from/deriving from or you are using their feeds
[21:43] <akgraner> ready
[21:44] <akgraner> no I get the feeds they are using
[21:44] <akgraner> I look at well over 100 feeds per day
[21:44] <akgraner> plus all the Ubuntu mailing lists
[21:45] <akgraner> but there are days I get busy and I don't have time to snag them all
[21:45] <akgraner> plus we can't put everything in the newsletter
[21:45] <akgraner> we already get his about it being too big
[21:45] <akgraner> hence the change in format that is coming out
[21:45] <akgraner> for both the Fridge and UWN
[21:45] <akgraner> hit not his
[21:48] <akgraner> once they are familiar and comfortable with their section  - and know where to look is responsible for content for their section
[21:48] <akgraner> the goal is to make sure that everyone who wants to know how can rotate through all the sections at some point
[21:49] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i am impressed with the refined quality of the items they are pulling out of all the multitudinous streams and republishing. it looks to me their refinement method is very, very similar to what you look for. i can say that they are certainly matching what i'm able to find 'manually' (although they might have just a very few more items than i might pick.  a very few, not many) .  it seems to me that using it
[21:49] <nUboon2Age> as a 'look here first and then look for stuff NOT here' is a *very* effective, quick way to zero in on just the important items from the firehose.
[21:50] <akgraner> nUboon2Age - we can discuss this later I need to finish getting issue 202 out
[21:50] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: firehose or gushing stream that all those feeds can be
[21:50] <akgraner> there is nothing stopping anyone from using it gather articles for their sections if they want to
[21:51] <akgraner> but we will always link back to the original source not a feed on another site
[21:51] <holstein> hey akgraner
[21:52] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: absolutely i would always get the original link, but it sure makes finding them hugely, hugely, hugely easier/quicker.
[21:52] <akgraner> hey holstein
[21:52] <holstein> i got some time if you need something :)
[21:52] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: so thank you for listing and i hope you'll kick it around some more. :_
[21:52] <nUboon2Age> :)
[21:52] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, I appreciate all the links you are finding  - why don't you focus on one section so in other news
[21:52] <nUboon2Age> listening
[21:52] <akgraner> and help find those links and write the summaries
[21:53] <akgraner> but with the understanding not all the links will be used
[21:53] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: frankly while i've looked at the google doc page, but i'm still unclear as to the differences between the sections.
[21:54] <akgraner> did you read the wiki links I posted about the sectiosn
[21:54] <akgraner> sections
[21:54] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i thought so, but maybe i missed something
[21:54] <akgraner> ok  - I'll go back over it later
[21:54] <akgraner> I need to finish this right now
[21:54] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: thanks. :)
[21:56] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: also i should say i want to read more summaries and get a better feel for them before i would think about trying to write them.
[22:57] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i just found this, which might have been the page you were referring to and it helped clarify some...  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Ideas
[22:59] <akgraner> there is that but I was referring more to  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/SectionGuidelines


[00:23] <ron_o> can someone tell me if this is an average time:
[00:23] <ron_o> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9011ms
[00:23] <ron_o> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 31.938/34.992/38.529/2.397 ms
[00:23] <ron_o> to www.google.com
[00:26] <Sharkfin> Hiya!
[00:26] <Sharkfin> I've just installed Xubuntu and I have a couple of Qs
[00:27] <Sharkfin> Websites load slowly.
[00:27] <Sharkfin> Correction - website lookups are slow
[00:27] <Sharkfin> like the DNS is misconfigured or something
[00:27] <Sharkfin> intra-site links are like lightning
[00:29] <Sharkfin> Hi
[00:29] <Sharkfin> Nobody talks, huh?
[00:29] <ron_o> Sharkfin, I saw on Ubuntu.com forums that there's a solution to your problem.
[00:29] <TheSheep> you didn't ask a question
[00:30] <ron_o> hehe, TheSheep. :)
[00:30] <Sharkfin> ron_o: search terms on the forum?
[00:30] <ron_o> DNS lookup slow .... web slow DNS problems .... slow internet connection  ...
[00:31] <Sharkfin> thnx. Searching
[00:32] <ron_o> I always just search google with either xubuntu or ubuntu and google can give you a better solution, usually, than just forum only searching.
[00:32] <ron_o> ymmv
[00:33] <ron_o> *xubuntu or ubuntu in the search phrase.
[02:51] <forces> saluton
[05:00] <R1cochet> if i wanted to learn python would i need a compiler?
[05:12] <TheSheep> see the tutorial on python.org
[05:12] <TheSheep> the python compiler and interpreter is installed in ubuntu by default
[05:12] <TheSheep> and in xubuntu
[05:12] <TheSheep> come to #python if you have questions
[05:30] <R1cochet> TheSheep: ty
[07:10] <R1cochet> I have an icon that i would like to use for a certain file type. is there a way that i can the icon for this file type show the icon i have?...
[07:11] <R1cochet> insert> make*
[07:12] <R1cochet> ive been able to set it as an emblem but would rather it show as filetype
[07:17] <Ahmuck> hi.  i need to transfer files and settings from one pc to another.  is there a migration tool?
[07:26] <Vasklevox> w00t, only 35 minutes till I can plant 9.04 on thumbdrive...
[07:42] <R1cochet> y do u have to wait?
[07:43] <Vasklevox> Slow internet.
[07:43] <Vasklevox> Considering I don't think theres' any landline internet out to this part of Alaska anymore, the last dialup server quit out like 7 years ago.
[08:07] <Vasklevox> Mmmm, work to do.
[08:07]  * Vasklevox turns ta leave.
[09:25] <Kasm279> i have a MAJOR bug
[09:26] <Kasm279> the xfce4-mixer-plugin (for the panel) will randomly slam my CPU
[09:27] <Kasm279> restarting it solves the problem, but im wondering if anyone else has this issue
[09:32] <SiDi_> no :/
[09:32] <SiDi_> what do you mean by slam your CPU ?
[09:33] <Kasm279> it uses up all of the CPU
[09:33] <Kasm279> it makes my laptop heat up so much that the 'emergency' fan comes on, which i know is at around 150 degrees farenheit
[09:34] <SiDi_> 150 farenheit ? That'd be more than 100 celsius, your PC would have gone down long time :/
[09:35] <Kasm279> as soon as i removed the mixer from the panel, the CPU usage went down to about 12%
[09:35] <Kasm279> no
[09:35] <SiDi_> can you please report a bug in bugzilla.xfce.org ?
[09:35] <Kasm279> 212F is 100C
[09:35] <Kasm279> k
[09:36] <SiDi_> Please give them accurate hardware info, tell them what version of xubuntu you use
[09:36] <SiDi_> are you on 9.04 or not ? if 9.04 your xfce version is 4.6.0, otherwise its 4.4
[09:36] <Kasm279> will it matter that its kubuntu with the xubuntu-desktop package installed?
[09:37] <Kasm279> (it is 9.04)
[09:37] <SiDi_> it should be the same
[09:37] <Kasm279> k
[09:37] <SiDi_> you're sure you got no KDE services running, though ?
[09:37] <Kasm279> thats what i assumed, but i was just making sure
[09:37] <Kasm279> im using konversation :\
[09:37] <SiDi_> hm :p
[09:38] <SiDi_> tell them you got kde stuff running then, we never know
[09:38] <SiDi_> you DONT use pulseaudio, right ?
[09:38] <Kasm279> eh?
[09:38] <SiDi_> type ps aux | grep pulse and give me the result please
[09:38] <Kasm279> whats that?
[09:38] <SiDi_> its a sound server used in ubuntu but not in xubuntu
[09:39] <SiDi_> because not supported by xfce
[09:39] <Kasm279> blargh
[09:39] <Kasm279> now updater is slamming the CPU
[09:40] <Kasm279> kasm279  23447  0.0  0.1   3336   804 pts/0    S+   02:40   0:00 grep pulse
[09:41] <SiDi_> alright, no pulseaudio
[09:41] <SiDi_> what is your CPU ?
[09:41] <Kasm279> k
[09:41] <Kasm279> Sysinfo for 'kasm279-HP-laptop': Linux 2.6.28-11-generic running , CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.80GHz at 2791 MHz (5583 bogomips), HD: 16/53GB, RAM: 418/433MB, 130 proc's, 2.9d up
[09:41] <Kasm279> thats a handy script :D
[09:43] <SiDi_> wow, not much ram :)
[09:43] <Kasm279> updating xulrunner? i already ran updates today :\ *grumble*
[09:43] <Kasm279> its really 512
[09:43] <Kasm279> i think the video card is skimming off of it
[09:43] <SiDi_> ah yeh probably
[09:44] <Kasm279> (it has 64MB to itself, but i think its set to use the ram if needed)
[09:44] <SiDi_> i think it just takes ram, not only if needed :p
[09:45] <Kasm279> XD
[09:45] <SiDi_> there were many of these cards for some time. they claimed they had 128mb ram and in little letters it was written they actually had 32 and were stealing the rest from PC's ram
[09:45] <Kasm279> o hey, theres a bug about this, but its when the person unplugs a USB headset
[09:45] <Kasm279> its a laptop
[09:46] <SiDi_> a bug about what ?
[09:46] <Kasm279> the xfce4-mixer-plugin using 100% CPU
[09:47] <SiDi_> hm
[09:47] <SiDi_> say it in the bug report then :)
[09:47] <Kasm279> im creating a new report as mine pops up randomly
[10:02] <Kasm279> SiDi_: filed a report on it
[10:02] <SiDi_> cheers
[10:02] <Kasm279> XD
[10:03] <Kasm279> ah, the sweet hum of 1 of the fans off and the other on low
[10:03] <Kasm279> oh, one more question
[10:04] <Kasm279> how can i get a temperature readout from a thermal zone in the panel?
[10:04] <SiDi_> xfce4-sensors-plugin does that
[10:05] <Kasm279> i downloaded it but i dont know how to compile it >.<
[10:05] <SiDi_> :/
[10:05] <Kasm279> (im assuming you have to compile it)
[10:05] <SiDi_> sudo apt-get xfce4-sensors-plugin
[10:05] <SiDi_> oops
[10:05] <SiDi_> sudo apt-get install xfce4-sensors-plugin
[10:05] <Kasm279> XD
[10:05] <Kasm279> k
[10:06] <SiDi_> you can also use the synaptic package manager.
[10:06] <Kasm279> i know that mush
[10:06] <Kasm279> mutch*
[10:06] <SiDi_> much ?
[10:07] <Kasm279> >.<
[10:07] <Kasm279> ty
[10:07] <SiDi_> not that i have anything against mushes :p
[10:07] <Kasm279> ive had to use the terminal to get the wlan card working :\
[10:07] <SiDi_> ndiswrapper ?
[10:07] <SiDi_> there's a gui for that too :]
[10:07] <Kasm279> apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[10:07] <Kasm279> no
[10:08] <Kasm279> that wouldnt work
[10:08] <SiDi_> then you could have used the synaptic package manager to install the b43 driver
[10:08] <Kasm279> and fwcutter is much more efficient
[10:08] <Kasm279> i know that now
[10:08] <SiDi_> apt-get is just another interface to dpkg, aswell as aptitude, gnome-app-install and synaptic
[10:09] <Kasm279> but the terminal is so much... simpler
[10:09] <SiDi_> yes :)
[10:09] <Kasm279> ooooh
[10:09] <Kasm279> i need to do autoremove >.<
[10:10] <Kasm279> i have a huge list from getting rid of kmail, konquerer, quassel, xchat, firefox, thunderbird... and many more
[10:14] <Kasm279> SiDi_: im assuming that the ACPI sensor that is at 0mWh has something to do with the battery?
[10:16] <SiDi_> no idea
[10:16] <Kasm279> i will find out when i get the new battery -.-
[10:18] <Kasm279> OH
[10:18] <Kasm279> BATT1 is the sensor label >.<
[10:20] <Kasm279> SiDi_: how do i force a command that needs root access (in terminal)
[10:20] <SiDi_> sudo :p
[10:21] <Kasm279> wo-hoo!
[10:21] <Kasm279> o gots HD temp now
[10:38] <Kasm279> SiDi_: thanks very much
[10:39] <Kasm279> have a good night (or moring or day or evening)
[12:39] <Ahmuck> i'd like to move my home from one computer to another.  is there a migration tool in xubuntu i can use?
[12:47] <Besogon> Does not command "mv" work? then "chown" may be
[12:47] <Ahmuck> mv from pc to pc ?
[12:48] <Ahmuck> doing it via a serial cable?
[12:49] <Besogon> why not? It's only folder
[12:50] <Besogon> Offcouse you should change USER for all files in home dir after all
[13:53] <Ahmuck> well, windows xp has this nice migration tool
[14:16] <erik__> good morning
[15:42] <monia> hi to all
[15:42] <monia> i'm in trouble with the modem of my toshiba satellite
[15:42] <Slonkie> !Hi | monia
[15:42] <Slonkie> be more specific, monia.
[15:44] <monia> after the installation i've seen in he hardware driver list that the driver war active for the moden. i think a winmodem
[15:44] <monia> but when i try to use gnome-ppp the modem starts but gppp says it don't find the modem
[15:45] <monia> i've tried with scanmodem, it says i have to use slmodem
[15:45] <monia> i've installed it and compiled it
[15:46] <monia> now the slamr driver is loaded, but the modem don't work at all
[15:46] <monia> and the /dev/modem link to /dev/ttySL0 is broken, the second don't exixts
[15:46] <monia> any idea?
[15:53] <monia> the pc is a toshiba satellite s1800 with xubuntu 9
[17:34] <daurnimator> monia I think I had one of them about 6-7 years ago
[19:01] <Hetor> Hello, I have a problem with Screen. When I first launched it, it worked fine, but I had to reboot, and now when I launch Screen, all I see is a bash shell. Can anybody help me?
[19:09] <Besogon> Hetor, you dont install graphic driver
[19:09] <Besogon> may be
[19:09] <Hetor> nvm, figured it out
[19:10] <Hetor> I had to mess with screen-profiles
[19:11] <Besogon> Does gdm  work?
[19:11] <Hetor> :s
[19:11] <Hetor> Screen is a program
[19:11] <Hetor> I didn't have any problems with GDM or X
[19:12] <Besogon> When you try login to xfce X falls, does't it?
[19:15] <Hetor> no it doesn't
[19:15] <Hetor> why should it?
[19:16] <Hetor> "Screen" is a terminal multiplexor
[19:16] <Besogon> Hetor, gdm not work for you.
[19:16] <Hetor> gdm does work
[19:16] <Hetor> doh
[19:17] <Besogon> undestand
[19:17] <Besogon> you
[19:20] <SiDi> Hetor: heh
[19:20] <SiDi> !screen
[19:20] <SiDi> Besogon: read this please :)
[19:21] <SiDi> Hetor: the people at #ubuntu-server may be much more helpful than us for any screen related questions :) Especially since the upstream contact for screen-profiles should be there.
[19:21] <Hetor> ok ty
[19:24] <slimjimflim> hi, anybody know how to change the number of virtual desktops
[19:25] <TheSheep> slimjimflim: settins->worksaces
[19:25] <Hetor> slimjimflim: settings, settings manager, workspaces
[19:26] <Ben_Cs> Good evening :)
[19:47] <slow-motion> hi
[19:48] <SiDi> i


[00:21] <phunyguy> what's the supported way to add exclusions for apparmor?
[00:33] <tomreyn> phunyguy: /etc/apparmor.d/local/README
[01:25] <Mcl0vin> I am running Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS 4.15.0-64-generic why when i do apt-get install linux-image-extra-$(uname -r) i get "E: Unable to locate package linux-image-extra-4.15.0-64-generic"
[01:30] <Bashing-om> Mcl0vin: Name change to "linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-64-generic" . See what I have installed: https://termbin.com/ukij .
[02:25] <knokno> hi there all-could anybody help me i have an iphone-id like to import the pictures on the iphone to a folder with shotwell, in the past i just opened shotwell or plugged in the phone gave trust permissions and the pic import did its thing. While on 19.10 this isnt working as in the past any suggestions (am currently downloading 18.04.3 LTS hoping it will work
[02:26] <knokno> also when i go to file within shotwell i cant select import from folder as iphone is only showing a documents folder
[02:27] <knokno> im unable to browse up the tree from documents (documents iphone) as nothing is there (tried from terminal and cd ..
[03:37] <sn00p> hello, I just installed the latest ubuntu 18.* something i installed chronium and i've been experiencing some freezing of my  system anyway how I can find out what it is?
[04:13] <cybercrypto> Hi there, is the new experimental zfs feature, allowing zfs on root + cryptfs (like lvm over crypto) ?
[04:13] <cybercrypto> I know that using Luks (very common nowadays) we can have lvm structure on top of luks. I am wondering if it is possible to have it based on zfs (instead of ext4, currently)
[04:24] <pragmaticenigma> cybercrypto, seeing as zfs was only recently added to Ubuntu as an option, I'm guessing that all the extra features may take some time before they're available. If you're looking for a stable system, I would encourage you to consider using more common file systems as there is a greater chance of someone being able to help you.
[04:30] <phunyguy> tomreyn: thanks, I ended up finding it right after I asked.  ☺
[04:31] <tomreyn> :)
[05:41] <Nagerst> How do i disable ESM if i do not have a subscription?
[05:46] <Nagerst> oh, i found the problem. The sneaky file was in sources.list.d
[06:13] <shachaf> Is disk encryption with dual boot practical yet? When I tried to get it working a couple of years ago it was a big mess.
[06:16] <tomreyn> shachaf: it's certainly possible. personally i consider multi-boot to be a mess, maybe a bit less so with uefi.
[06:27] <shachaf> Multi-boot has worked fine for decades. You set up a partition and you boot into it.
[07:30] <slimjimflim> hi just restarted 16.04.4 and my audio stopped working. alsa says levels are good. volume is up on multiple websites including youtube but nothing. can't upgrade/update rn for unrelated reasons. any ideas?
[07:33] <slimjimflim> nevermind. fixed it with alsamixer
[08:23] <sloppyjoe> i have a overscan issue on my resolution. The auto resolution is 1920x1080i but sadly with 30hz, the tv cant handle higher hz, if i lower the resolution to 1280x720 i get 60hz which is fine, though i get overscan issue and i cant fix this on tje tv. Its too old, from 2008 or so. I am connected to the tv over HDMI
[09:28] <renn0xtk9>  rm -rf ./build/figures
[09:28] <renn0xtk9> rm: cannot remove './build/figures': Directory not empty
[09:28] <renn0xtk9> anybody understands that?
[09:28] <renn0xtk9> oksay sory never mind
[10:11] <enrio> is there any alternative to adobe premiere pro on ubuntu?
[10:11] <enrio> i'm looking for auto music extend feature
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> enrio: blender, shotcut, pitivi, openshot
[10:12] <enrio> shotcut and openshot doesnt have that feature.
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> flowblade
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> try a few out perhaps
[10:47] <ngm> Recently i installed 18.04 and the bluetooth audio skips 4-5 sec of audio. Previously on 16.04 it used to out of sync audio. I came across threads suggesting to disable coexist attribute for wifi dirvers. But that was for iwlwifi and lspci shows iam uisng rtwpci/ r8822be. So not sure how to go about adding the coexists disable config for this.
[10:48] <enrio> lotuspsychje, almost none gives that feature
[10:51] <mystic> tor browser wnt start.. please advis
[10:51] <mystic> advise
[10:55] <enrio> contact #tor
[10:59] <mystic> im asking in here as im runing ubuntu.
[11:00] <mystic> if u cant help me be quiet, someone else will.  'contact tor'   .. how sweet
[12:08] <tmroland> im trying to install ubuntu 19 10 on imac 2013 but my magic mouse and kb dont work at all
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> tmroland: let me give you an existing bug to try, holdon
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> tmroland: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe/+bug/1822770
[12:10] <tmroland> its magic mosue 1 i beleive. still applies?
[12:10] <tmroland> so i should try another distro if i expect them to work by default at install time ?
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> tmroland: this bug applys the magic mouse 2, i didnt test 1 myself
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> tmroland: and no, we dont reccomend another Os as we try to focus on solving issues on ubuntu here
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> tmroland: did you doublecheck: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/AppleMagicMouse
[12:16] <tmroland> problem is i dont have another mouse to od that
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah you will need another mouse if it doesnt work by default tmroland
[12:17] <tmroland> yea
[12:25] <__ijv__> Hello! Any ideas how to get touchpad working on Ubuntu 19.4? Touchpad buttons seems to work just fine and by enabling/disabling touchpad I can set buttons to work/not-work. So is the touchpad hardware broken?
[12:28] <__ijv__> xinput lists Synaptics Touchpad so I guess the driver works just fine?
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> __ijv__: could be an acpi issue too, what brand is your laptop?
[12:29] <__ijv__> It's Lenovo g 50-70. Pretty old machine :)
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> __ijv__: have you tryed to update bios to latest?
[12:30] <__ijv__> Nope. Maybe I'll try it.
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> !biosupdate | __ijv__
[12:31] <__ijv__> Thanks! I'll try that and get back to the issue if it doesn't help.
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> __ijv__: see also the fwupd method, some computer brands will offer bios/firmware updates there
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> __ijv__: feel free to share your dmesg aswell in a pastebin
[12:33] <jeremy31> __ijv__: Is there a little button above the touchpad to enable/disable?
[13:31] <circle> I'm having an issue. I just installed Ubuntu, but it's playing sound through my monitor. The only device I can select in the output devices section of the sound settings is "HDMI Audio" which is my monitor.
[13:32] <circle> It won't show any other possible output device. I use the onboard sound on my motherboard which is realtek.
[13:32] <circle> AC982.
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:44] <leden> circle, run 'alsamixer' in terminal and F6 select sound card or install 'pavucontrol' and check configuration
[13:45] <circle> leden, the soundcard is in alsamixer and it's listed above the hdmi audio
[13:47] <circle> realtek ac892, it shows up as the default device in alsamixer
[13:47] <circle> it's just not selectable in the ubuntu sound settings menu
[13:48] <leden> circle, then select it in alsamixer and see it will pick up
[13:49] <circle> leden, what do you mean? the display port HDMI audio thing isn't even listed in alsamixer, whereas that's what the sound is actually playing through and the only option in the sound settings
[13:51] <circle> i can open alsamixer and mess with all the levels but it doesn't change the sound, which is coming out of my monitor.
[13:51] <circle> and there's not even a listing in alsamixer for the displayport sound
[13:51] <leden> circle, check F5 could be just mute your internal speakers
[13:54] <circle> leden, nothing is muted
[13:55] <ioria> circle, may sound silly, but try to reconnect the hdmi cable
[13:56] <circle> ioria, just did that
[13:56] <circle> no luck, sound still playing out of the monitor
[13:56] <leden> circle, can you install pavucontrol
[13:57] <circle> leden, already installed
[13:57] <circle> it only shows one possible output device
[13:57] <circle> which is this hdmi / displaport device
[13:59] <leden> circle, check configuration profile
[13:59] <circle> leden, where do i do that?
[14:01] <leden> circle, check on right side you got > press with mouse botton that it will slide to configuration
[14:01] <circle> leden, ah, i see what you mean
[14:02] <circle> there doesn't seem to be any other options here
[14:03] <circle> well, nothing that would suggest i could set my motherboard as the output device anyway
[14:04] <circle> a notice a bunch of "dummy audio" listings
[14:04] <circle> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/06/fix-no-sound-dummy-output-issue-in.html
[14:04] <circle> i might try this
[14:04] <circle> ". You need to add options snd-hda-intel model=generic at the end of the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file"
[14:04] <circle> will report how it goes
[14:10] <tommy``> i've a problem with gnome-language-selector i presume.. some menu of my gnome have the language changed
[14:12] <circle> It didn't work.
[14:13] <circle> How is it possible that Ubuntu isn't recognising my motherboard as an output option?
[14:13] <circle> It's not a rare motherboard.
[14:13] <circle> Maybe I need to install third party drivers.
[14:27] <ruicruz> morning. I got ths error while installing a package. I install most of the missing libs but this ones I can't install via apt-get. any idea on how to solve this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3qVd7WF9QK/
[14:29] <circle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/UpgradingAlsa/DKMS this page is saying there's .deb files available but when I go to look there's only .tar.gz packages
[14:58] <cybercrypto>    //TimeToStruct(TimeLocal(),horario_atual);
[14:59] <kostkon> cybercrypto, wrong paste?
[15:00] <cybercrypto> kostkon: Yeap, sorry about that.
[15:01] <doug16k> circle, ignore the "failed to build" ones
[15:01] <doug16k> under Builds look for a green checkmark
[15:02] <doug16k> circle, for example, oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms - 0.201806070316~ubuntu17.10.1 has a deb file
[15:04] <circle> doug16k, can you find a package for ubuntu 19.04?
[15:05] <doug16k> nope. they broke the build
[15:06] <doug16k> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/432173583/buildlog_ubuntu-disco-amd64.oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms_0.201907080246~ubuntu19.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz   ->   error: too many arguments to function ‘acomp->ops->put_power’
[15:07] <doug16k> it won't compile
[15:07] <doug16k> that plus a few other errors
[15:10] <grim210> hi all: straight-forward question: When I try to switch to a virtual TTY, there's nothing there.  So I've got GDM, and then when I do Ctrl+Alt+F2, I'm greeted a black screen
[15:10] <grim210> I'm accustomed to seeing a tty there I can login to
[15:10] <grim210> I've got 19.10, UEFI install, if that matters
[15:10] <grim210> intel graphics
[15:11] <doug16k> grim210, did you try F3 or F4 etc?
[15:11] <grim210> yes
[15:11] <grim210> they're all just black except for the GDM screen
[15:11] <grim210> single blinking cursor in the top-left
[15:12] <doug16k> for me F3 thru F6 are all working text consoles with a login prompt. F7 does what you described
[15:12] <grim210> now that i'm logged in i've got one that's running my gnome session, one running gdm, and the rest are black with the blinking cursor
[15:12] <grim210> yes, i'm aware of what's expected behavior
[15:12] <grim210> do i file a bug?
[15:12] <grim210> or am i an idiot?
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> !tty
[15:13] <grim210> super helpful
[15:14] <grim210> read a thing online about adding nomodeset to the cmdline via /etc/default/grub, but I don't think (?) that would hav eanything to do with it?  As I don't care about the resolution of the terminal, I just want one
[15:15] <doug16k> nomodeset is usually the workaround for failure to boot at all with endless black screen
[15:15] <SecurityIntel> Hi all, I need to make my swap partition bigger (its 1Gb it needs to be 32Gb). I want to be able to enable Hibernate... Does anyone have reference to read (My partition are LVM)
[15:16] <grim210> yeah, i typically have to do that with closed source graphics. since i'm using intel, i didn't think that would do much for me
[15:18] <Wulf> if people were just a bit more patient...
[15:18] <Wulf> SecurityIntel: welcome back.
[15:18] <Wulf> SecurityIntel: got some free space in your LVM?
[15:18] <SecurityIntel> Wulf, closed the wrong window :P
[15:18] <SecurityIntel> Wulf, 450Gib
[15:18] <doug16k> grim210, I uncommented GRUB_TERMINAL=console in my /etc/default/grub - no idea whether that will fix it for you though
[15:19] <grim210> i'll give that a shot. I just thought that only worked on biosboot, but that's an easy thing to try
[15:19] <Wulf> SecurityIntel: lvextend on your swap logic volume
[15:19] <doug16k> grim210, I thought so too
[15:19] <grim210> welp, going down for reboot. brb
[15:19] <Wulf> SecurityIntel: and then I'm not sure. If in doubt use swapoff, mkswap, swapon.
[15:27] <SecurityIntel> Wulf, I dont have free space (I need to resize my install partition first right)^
[15:42] <grim210> no luck on commenting out GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[15:42] <grim210> actually wouldn't boot after that change
[15:43] <grim210> i nearly chrooted in and regenerated to fix it, but re-installing would be just as fast
[15:43] <grim210> but, i picked full installation this time, and now I can get to a terminal on Ctrl-Alt-F{3,4,5,6}
[15:43] <grim210> so i'm not sure if there was something wrong with the install last time, or if there's a package in full installation that's not in minimal that gives you virtual ttys
[15:45] <akk> Oh, interesting, someone else having trouble with virtual ttys. Ubuntu seems really weird and inconsistent about them.
[15:46] <grim210> i was going to file a bug, but running ubuntu-bug is weird. i can't actually type up a bug report
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> grim210: before filing bugs we reccomend to ask your ubuntu issues here first
[15:47] <grim210> okay, so i did
[15:47] <grim210> it was recommended that i comment out GRUB_TERMINAL=console and regen my grub.cfg
[15:47] <grim210> system wouldn't boot
[15:47] <grim210> so i reinstalled
[15:47] <grim210> now i have virtual terminals
[15:47] <akk> I found ubuntu-bug confusing because it doesn't tell you that it's going to pop something up in a browser tab
[15:47] <grim210> i picked full installation instead of minimal, which is what i'm guessing the problem may have been? because the last install was fresh as well
[15:48] <akk> so I thought it had just refused to file a bug until later when I went to the workspace with the browser and discovered an ubuntu-bug tab there.
[15:51] <doug16k> grim210, really? wow
[15:51] <doug16k> didn't expect that!
[15:52] <grim210> lol, there's a clear warning that said "grub-pc only" which is clearly meant for bios systems. mine is uefi, so i was definitely expecting disaster
[15:52] <grim210> it was a fresh install anyway, so i wasn't concerned
[15:52] <doug16k> mine is uefi booting and works fine with that uncommented
[15:52] <grim210> hmm, odd
[15:53] <grim210> welp, vttys are there
[15:53] <grim210> still unclear whether i should file a bug report or not. getting a lot of mixed signals around the channel
[15:54] <doug16k> I'd prefer the scrolling to be 261x more efficient, given a choice
[15:54] <haasn> wat. I removed the nouveau.ko, blacklisted nouveau in modprobe.d, rebuild initramfs and rebooted and my system is *still* loading nouveau
[15:54] <haasn> Where the heck is it even getting the driver from if the nouveau.ko is deleted?
[15:54] <grim210> i had a similar problem on centos recently
[15:55] <grim210> do you have a blacklist.conf? how are you blacklisting?
[15:55] <grim210> i've had mixed results modifying the kernel cmdline
[15:55] <haasn> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-disable-nouveau-nvidia-driver-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[15:55] <haasn> I'll try the kernel command line as well I guess
[15:56] <grim210> seems straight forward
[15:56] <haasn> if it helps, this is a live USB (unetbootin) and not a "normal" system
[15:56] <haasn> maybe it's loading the driver off the RO filesystem before it even gets to the RW overlay..
[15:56] <grim210> i've had luck doing "nouveau.modeset=0" appended
[15:56] <grim210> very possible
[15:57] <haasn> I also tried unloading the module at runtime but it complains about it being in use
[15:57] <haasn> if I try unbinding the device from the driver it just kills the terminal with spam in dmesg about kernel null pointers
[15:57] <grim210> yeah, and trying to unbind it while in use will probably bork the system as well. is the RO system a squashfs?
[15:57] <grim210> i don't know much about unetbootin
[15:58] <grim210> if so, you could try opening that up and removing nouveau. but that's going to be a pain
[15:59] <doug16k> haasn, you say you deleted the kernel module. from which directory? you must have removed it from the wrong kernel's lib directory
[16:00] <grim210> good point. verify that /proc/version matches the modules directory you removed nouveau from
[16:00] <haasn> There is only one modules directory. this is a freshly installed liveUSB system
[16:00] <doug16k> haasn, find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name 'nouveau.ko'
[16:01] <haasn> But I suspect the solution is the fact that "deleting" it from /lib/modules on the booted system is only deleting it from /cow/work and not the squashfs image it's booting from
[16:01] <jeremy31> You cannot delete anything on Live
[16:01] <doug16k> oh, live boot. forgot that bit
[16:02] <haasn> I'll try figuring out a way to input a kernel command line, I guess. A problem for another day
[16:02] <doug16k> haasn, modprobe.blacklist=nouveau   IIRC
[16:03] <grim210> i'll let doug16k handle this. i'm just a drive-by today. thanks for your help everyone!
[16:03] <haasn> The problem is I'm not sitting in front of the PC and cannot physically input a command line, all I can do is reboot and ssh back in :p
[16:03] <haasn> and updating grub config doesn't work when the grub config is in a RO squashfs..
[16:03] <haasn> A problem for another day, as I said
[16:03] <haasn> Thanks for the help
[16:04] <AppAraat> hello, I'm trying to run Raspbian (2019-09-26-raspbian-buster-lite.zip) in a VM on a Ubuntu 16.04 host but as of now I've followed 4 guides but none of them seem to work. The QEMU window appears but it's just black and nothing is happening on it. Here's the terminal output: https://paste.debian.net/1113390/
[16:04] <AppAraat> these are some of the guides I tried following: https://www.unixmen.com/emulating-raspbian-using-qemu/ - https://blog.agchapman.com/using-qemu-to-emulate-a-raspberry-pi/ - https://www.linux-tips-and-tricks.de/en/raspberry/310-how-to-emulate-raspberry-pi-on-kvm-2/
[16:06] <akk> AppAraat: I got it working following a tutorial at this URL, except it doesn't seem to be loading for me right now: https://wiki.evergreencoin.org/wiki/Solar_Staker/RPI_Image/Creation
[16:07] <akk> and ugh, I didn't copy down all the details because they were all there, so I hope the site comes back or there's an archive.org backup of it.
[16:08] <xjkx> Using Snaps. A software I want has both beta and edge versions. Which one is newer/has more features ? I know beta is testing, maybe with some last features, but what is edge ?
[16:08] <akk> (sadly, no, archive.org doesn't have it)
[16:11] <AppAraat> sadness :(
[16:11] <AppAraat> I too learned the hard way to archive all links that go in my notes
[16:11] <coz_> xjkx, I believe in order  stable, candidate, beta, then edge
[16:12] <coz_> xjkx, let me get a link
[16:12] <xjkx> Alright
[16:13] <coz_> xjkx, not sure this is about "snap" specificallt, however,   https://ubuntu.com/blog/controlling-snap-releases-with-channels-tracks-and-branches-part-1
[16:13] <coz_> I guess it is about snap
[16:14] <xjkx> coz_:  thanks a lot :)
[16:14] <coz_> xjkx,  no problem, ")
[16:15] <dps> good morning everyone
[16:16] <akk> AppAraat: The interesting thing is that the connection is timing out, not giving a 404 or unknown host. So maybe there's hope for the link reappearing.
[16:16] <AppAraat> crossing all of fingers
[16:16] <akk> (if so, I will definitely make a copy this time! I had tried other tutorials before but this one had parts they missed, only I can't remember the details)
[16:25] <mystic> how to use ubuntu ?
[16:26] <dps> lol
[16:26] <dps> do you have a more specific question, maybe one that involves a specific thing youre trying to do?
[16:27] <mystic> using it
[16:27] <mystic> its installed so when i turn on my computer it comes on
[16:27] <AppAraat> akk: I want to try and set an infinite timeout, and then ring a bell if there's a response, I wonder if it's possible by setting --connect-timeout to 0
[16:28] <akk> AppAraat: Or you could do a while true; do wget ...
[16:28] <mystic> can it run aby finereader ?
[16:29] <AppAraat> I guess
[16:29] <akk> I'm not entirely sure I trust an existing connection with an infinite timeout, I think retries might be more likely to work.
[16:30] <AppAraat> makes sense
[16:30] <mystic> its ok, gve it a go
[17:07] <Ilgaz> Interesting that I can't find my message to linux-acpi mailing list on the web, did it happen to anyone else?
[17:09] <Ilgaz> It should be here: https://marc.info/?l=linux-acpi&r=1&b=201911&w=2
[17:32] <mati> Hi, I have a folder full of files, which names look like this: Video #1 - some text, Video #2 - different text and so on. The last number is #250, but there are only 237 files, which means some of them are missing. What's the quickest way (either a script or command) to find which files with which number are missing?
[17:37] <cybercrypto> mati: what do you mean by "missing?"
[17:39] <cybercrypto> mati: from inside the directory you mention, what is the output for the command:  "ls -lrta | wc"
[17:41] <cybercrypto> mati: and what do you see when you list only the files starting with # (like this: ls -la ^# )
[17:44] <mati> cybercrypto: it's 237 3954 27594. As to the other command: the files don't start with # but with Video #
[17:44] <alik> mati: if I understand you correctly, and you want to find what (numbered) videos are missing, you can use something like this: for i in {1..250} ; do grep -rq "Video $i" . || echo "$i missing" ; done
[17:45] <alik> Or rather "Video #$i" if the name actually includes hash
[17:45] <cybercrypto> mati: so list them like: ls -l "Video*" | wc -l
[17:46] <mati> alik: The issue is that they aren't numbered at the beginning. They have the word "Video" at the beginning and after that there's #1, #2 etc.
[17:46] <alik> mati: this is fine. in the example I gave the grep looks for 'Video ...'
[17:48] <sirriffsalothp> Gparted is insanely slow in 19.04... any ideas?
[17:49] <cybercrypto> mati: have you tried the loop suggested?
[17:56] <mati> cybercrypto: I'm getting some errors. Give me 1sec
[17:58] <mati> can the "#" interfere with the script?
[17:58] <alik> Actually it was wrong
[17:58] <alik> for i in {1..250} ; do find . -name "Video \#$i *" | grep -q 'Video' || echo "Video #$i is missing" ; done
[17:58] <alik> This should work
[17:58] <cybercrypto> brb
[18:02] <BluesKaj> !touch
[18:04] <mati> alik: This kind of worked, but the output is all the files in the directory and in between them are the missing videos. Is it possible to clear all the lines without the word "missing" or something like that?
[18:06] <alik> mati: just append '| grep missing' (without quotes) to the command
[18:09] <tommy``> how can i check which package are missin in my ubuntu?
[18:11] <mati> alik: it still outputs everything. The entire command looks like this: for i in {1..250} ;
[18:11] <mati> do find . -name "The \Occult \#$i *" | grep -1 'The \Occult' || echo "Video #$i is missing" | grep missing ;
[18:11] <tommy``> apt gave me this (appstreamcli:3780): GLib-CRITICAL **: 19:11:14.070: g_atomic_ref_count_dec: assertion 'g_atomic_int_get (arc) > 0' failed
[18:11] <alik> add -q to grep
[18:15] <mati> alik: It worked! One more question. I see you used two pipes " || ". Does it differ from a single | or is it just for clarity?
[18:17] <alik> mati: || is not a pipe, its an "or". It combines two commands like "foo || bar" and if foo returns non-zero exit code it executes bar; if foo returns 0 it doesn't execute bar. In your example, if grep is able to find "Video ..." it returns zero and thus echo is not executed. If it doesn't - it returns non-zero and then echo '... missing' is
[18:17] <alik> executed.
[18:18] <`mist> hey guys, i started a script with & and now i can't find it to shut it down =D
[18:18] <`mist> tried runnings "jobs" and ps auxwf to find it and fg
[18:18] <`mist> it's nowhere to be found but i can see that it's still generating output
[18:18] <`mist> as in, it's downloading a file and putting on disk
[18:20] <alik> `mist: when you started it with & it should've printed PID.
[18:21] <`mist> it doesn't, but i've found it and killed it now. Thanks anyway
[18:21] <mati> alik: ok, I get it now. What does -1 do in grep -1? Does it mean
[18:21] <`mist> it appeared as just "bash" in the ps output
[18:21] <mati> one per line?
[18:21] <alik> mati: I didn't tell you to add -l to grep. As for what it means: man grep :)
[18:23] <mati> alik: Right, I copied something from a different line somehow. Thanks for help, I really appreciate that!
[18:27] <FaTaL_G> thanks for the help tjsimmons oerheks jeremy31 & doug16k with the wifi using broadcom, I can report I get better speeds on the brcm+kernel <IP_ADDRESS> than I did previously, and the speeds are ~ 10MBps faster on the local network than they are even with my Netgear R7000 or R8500.
[18:29] <FaTaL_G> oops
[18:33] <tommy``> i can't understand why i've language selected italian for my gnome3 but windows and other menu are in english
[18:35] <tommy``> Region and language are in italian too
[18:35] <tommy``> locales are in italian
[18:45] <pecorade> hi
[18:53] <tommy``> can't find a solution
[19:08] <Apachez> are the dvdimages for latest LTS only updated when a new revision is released like LTS 18.04.4 or whatever the last digit is today?
[19:15] <mattfly> How do i disable DST time ?
[19:15] <mattfly> This no longer exists on my country
[19:16] <sonOfRa> That's generally up to the timezone-data package (not sure if it's called exactly that on ubuntu)
[19:16] <sonOfRa> I don't know if that gets updated in ubuntu after a freeze, but I'd assume yes?
[19:16] <Apachez> or change the timezone to a UTC one
[19:16] <sonOfRa> Yeah, package tzdata, the most recent revision seems to be 2019c
[19:17] <Apachez> like you can select either UTC+1 or you can select (for example) Europe/Stockholm
[19:19] <sonOfRa> mattfly: so you should check if your tzdata package is the most recent version, and if it is not, run an apt update and then apt upgrade to install the most recent version. That might already fix the problem.
[19:19] <jayjo> does anyone know a way to exclude minimized/hidden windows from 'hot corners' on ubuntu 19.10 ?
[19:21] <NewToLubuntu> while I'm online at the moment, I'm wondering if anyone could help troubleshoot why I seem to frequently lose the ability the detect and connect to modem-routers in the surrounding area
[19:22] <NewToLubuntu> it's really strange, like right now it seems fine and I get 3/4 bars for the one we use downstairs... but I can also detect 5 other ones (I assume from neighbors) although they are at 1 bar each
[19:22] <NewToLubuntu> but when this weirdness happens, suddenly my computer detects nothing at all
[19:22] <NewToLubuntu> so I know it can't just be a problem with my modem/router especially since others seem to be able to continue to use it just fine
[19:23] <NewToLubuntu> sometimes turning the computer off and restarting it an hour or so later seems to fix it, other times not
[19:23] <NewToLubuntu> just seems to randomly happen in the middle of casual browsing
[19:24] <NewToLubuntu> this is why I'm wondering if it's possibly a software issue
[19:27] <tommy``> sonOfRa: you know how to fix language issue on gnome?
[19:27] <sonOfRa> no.
[19:37] <tommy``> !seen
[19:57] <ubuking> hello!!!!!
[19:59] <tomreyn> hi there
[20:15] <BarrelAgedHam> I just got ubuntu 18.04 installed on my windows 10 PC. when I first got the shell open, it prompted me to enter a username, then when i tried to enter my password, my keyboard was not working... i opened and closed the program, and it now reads root@'my_computer_name': ~ $. I have tried to reset it with no luck. and I tried adding another user with
[20:15] <BarrelAgedHam> the adduser command but the same thing happens, my keyboard will not work when trying to enter the password. Has anyone here experienced this before?
[20:17] <ikonia> how do you know your keyboard is not working ?
[20:17] <ikonia> (or what makes you think it's not)
[20:18] <BarrelAgedHam> I think it is not working because when i tried to type my password into the user shell, nothing shows up. Does it have an auto hide password or something?
[20:18] <ikonia> yes
[20:18] <BarrelAgedHam> hot damn
[20:19] <ikonia> imagine how bad security would be if it actually put your password on the screen
[20:19] <BarrelAgedHam> thats a good point. Thank you for your help
[20:19] <ikonia> not a problem
[20:21] <BarrelAgedHam> and tips on what i can use ubuntu for as a noob? I have been hitting the books on Python for a little while, and I am taking a friends advice to get familiar with linux, Right now its  a little intimidating and I am having trouble envisioning what i can use it for when i get my feet wet
[20:21] <ikonia> BarrelAgedHam: the best advice I can offer is just try to use it as your desktop,
[20:21] <ikonia> you'll hit problems, overcoming those problems will educate you and give you a wider range of problems to look into and learn from
[20:22] <ikonia> and it will grow
[20:24] <BarrelAgedHam> alright cool. I was trying to install ubuntu on my raspberry pi 4. but i found the main guides on google to be kind of confusing becuase of my lack of experience.  I think the first thing that through me off was in the raspberry pi's terminal window, i used the sudo apt-get update command, and it only got Get : 1-4
[20:32] <ikonia> BarrelAgedHam: update just updates the software catalogue for you
[20:32] <ikonia> BarrelAgedHam: what did you expect to see happen ?
[20:33] <BarrelAgedHam> ikonia: i think i just am getting confused becuase what i am seeing on my screen doesnt exactly match the video I am watching. I am most likely being impatient
[20:33] <BarrelAgedHam> i might do some tinkering for a bit more and come back if i am still stuck
[20:33] <ikonia> BarrelAgedHam: so personally - I don't watch a video, as you're just watching someone else type, you're not doing anything
[20:34] <ikonia> grab an introduction / document and read it, so you don't have to cut and paste commands blindly
[20:34] <ikonia> (that's just my opinion though)
[20:34] <BarrelAgedHam> ikonia: okay that makes sense
[20:34] <seednode> Good afternoon
[20:34] <seednode> Did I hear someone mention raspis
[20:35] <dps> i love me some rasp pie ;)
[20:35] <BarrelAgedHam> seenode: yes i am the noob who mentioned them
[20:35] <seednode> Everybody's a noob about something
[20:35] <dps> i actually REALLY love the orange pies though
[20:35] <seednode> It's not a very useful label
[20:35] <dps> ^^^^^^
[20:35] <seednode> I personally prefer chocolate pudding and french silk pies, as for the food. For the single board computers, I like raspi because they're available off the shelf everywhere, well documented, and tend to function
[20:36] <seednode> So I have many of them in use for various things
[20:36] <dps> im a tad bit experienced when it comes to using the rasp pi. did you still need some hekp @barrel?
[20:36] <BarrelAgedHam> seenode: what do you use them for? I have an idea for a project but i think i will need way mroe experience before i will be able to actually do it
[20:37] <dps> help*
[20:37] <BarrelAgedHam> dps: Not particularly, I bought it thinking it would be fun to tool around on, but now that i have it im kind of at a loss to what i can actually use it for
[20:37] <akk> BarrelAgedHam: Mostly they're for playing around with. :) But I have one that's been reporting temperature and pressure from an upstairs bedroom for about a year now as part of a weather system.
[20:37] <seednode> I use them for a few things; temperature monitors, with sensors hooked up to GPIO pins; Wireguard VPN clients and occasionally servers as an interim solution until I set up something more powerful (Though they do that job just fine), remote desktop "Thin clients" for a few clients who didn't want to buy full computers
[20:38] <dps> its most def a tool to be used, thats for sure. especially once you understand how to use the gpio pins, from within your operating system.
[20:39] <dps> i primarily use diet pi on my pi zero's ( i have nofull sized ones :( )
[20:39] <BarrelAgedHam> I have these phillips hue lights at home, I was thinking it could be cool if i could use my to read an HDMI inputs colors from like my ps4 or tv or something, and then have my raspi instruct my hue lights to match the TV colors somehow
[20:39] <dps> have you heard of home assistant?
[20:39] <seednode> I've mostly used dietpi as well, which in retrospect isn't quite on-topic for this channel. In my defense I thought I had the -offtopic branch of the channel open :<
[20:40] <BarrelAgedHam> i know phillips sells something that does that now for like $260 but i could save the money and try to make a hobby out of it
[20:40] <BarrelAgedHam> yeah sorry i totally brought this chat off topic
[20:40] <akk> BarrelAgedHam: You could definitely do that, with a pi camera.
[20:40] <dps> im thinking that you could still control the, via your gpio pins, from within ubuntu, iirc
[20:41] <dps> them*
[20:41] <BarrelAgedHam> akk: meaning i would ahve to have a pi camera pointed at my screen to read the color data?
[20:41] <BarrelAgedHam> dps: what is a gpio pin?
[20:42] <dps> its the pins on the side of your board, stands for general purpose input/output pins
[20:42] <seednode> General purpose input/output, it's a user-configurable signalling pin
[20:42] <BarrelAgedHam> got it, I have my fan plugged into a couple of those little pinners
[20:43] <akk> BarrelAgedHam: Right, though if it could talk to whatever computer is running the screen, that would be another way.
[20:43] <akk> But that's probably hard with a commercial TV.
[20:45] <tommy``> anyone could help me resolve the issue i have with gnome language?
[20:47] <BarrelAgedHam> last question for you fine chaps: I got ubuntu installed on my windows 10 PC, it prompted me for a unix username and password. I did not realize that the characters of the password not showing up on the screen was a security feature. so i quit out and now i am at a root user. can i use the adduser command and call it a day? or do you guys think
[20:47] <BarrelAgedHam> quitting out during the setup messed up the intializion?
[20:51] <ikonia> why do you need the adduser command ?
[20:53] <BarrelAgedHam> ikonia: quit out during the initial setup in the shell. I thought i was supposed to get a username and password set up because the shell originally prompted me, and the person in the guide i was following had done it
[20:54] <kostkon> BarrelAgedHam, is it a server install?
[20:54] <ikonia> BarrelAgedHam: so my advice to you would be do a clean install again a.) it's more learninging now that you know more b.) you don't know if it was the last step of the install, what else did it not setup if you quit out
[20:54] <kostkon> Ubuntu server*
[20:55] <BarrelAgedHam> ikonia: okay, so to do that do i only have to uninstall ubuntu? or is linux now installed on my computer and i also have to uninstall that too?
[20:55] <ikonia> BarrelAgedHam: no, just install it again and it will install over the top
[20:55] <BarrelAgedHam> kostkon: i dont think i even got that far
[20:58] <BarrelAgedHam> ikonia: alright i will give that a shot. Thank you again for all your help. I would never been able to get started on my programming journey without the help of people like you on the internet.
[20:58] <ikonia> BarrelAgedHam: if in doubt, just ask
[21:54] <rsully> I have ubuntu server 18.04 installed and I'm trying to setup a user systemd service to run on boot. The service is in ~/.config/systemd/user/ and it is enabled, I enabled lingering for my user, but on boot it isn't started - any tips?
[21:55] <rsully> whoops let me repost to ubuntu-server room
[21:57] <oerheks> make a proper systemd service file , that will autostart on boot, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd
[21:58] <oerheks> tons of howto's https://www.shellhacks.com/systemd-service-file-example/ ---  https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-systemd-service-unit-in-linux
[22:01] <MxMax> hi, can someone point me to the official doc on how to build an ubuntu package?
[22:02] <MxMax> googling around, it looks like the build systems are too fragmented, a few guides use bzr, others apt, and build commands are usually different, builddep, etc.
[22:02] <MxMax> I want to download source from repository, make a few changes and build deb package
[22:04] <CarlFK> MxMax: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb  (not at all official, kinda hacky)
[22:05] <oerheks> !build
[22:06] <MxMax> thanks CarlFK , let me try that. I've tried a few other instructions without luck :). http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html  and https://askubuntu.com/questions/81870/how-to-download-modify-build-and-install-a-debian-source-package
[22:09] <tomreyn> what didn't seem to work there?
[22:10] <MxMax> oerheks, I did come across that webpage, but that's for software using autotools / configure script, not building deb packages the Ubuntu way.
[22:11] <MxMax> tomreyn, issues with debuild executable, might be related to this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devscripts/+bug/1764799
[22:14] <oerheks>  debuild -- clean as a workaround, #3
[22:24] <BlueProtoman> I just moved a hard drive to a new laptop.  The Linux partition (Ubuntu 19.10) doesn't recognize the audio hardware, but the Windows 8.1 partition does.  I'm using a CyberpowerPC Fangbook EVO HX7-137.  Any thoughts?
[22:29] <oerheks> sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop # might do the trick
[22:29] <litheum> mpg123 as a regular user (who is in the "audio" group) appears to be playing a file without any complaints, but there's no sound. if i execute sudo mpg123, i hear sound. what gives? lubuntu 18.04.3
[22:30] <BlueProtoman> oerheks: Me?
[23:12] <cgi> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4pGfTMFDZS/ - can anyone look at my apt-update output and tell me how to fix this?
[23:18] <litheum> cgi: what's this packages.ros.org repository you're trying to use? evidently their key is not available from the keyserver?
[23:19] <litheum> cgi: https://www.google.com/search?q=NO_PUBKEY+F42ED6FBAB17C654 has a couple links specific to this vendor, maybe someone in one of those has a good solution for you
[23:46] <cgi> litheum, that worked, thanks!