[01:13] <coNP> it is too much like win95
[01:44] <ajmorris_> hmm....
[01:44] <ajmorris_> i just installed the latest gutsy updates, now gnome-panel won't start lol
[01:44] <Pici> Good thing I havent restarted lately ;)
[01:44] <ajmorris_> lol
[01:46] <ajmorris_> looks, like all i have to do is kill it, then it restarts automatically and it works :)
[03:14] <ajmorris_> how do you install icon themes under the new layout?
[03:14] <ajmorris_> if i try just under the themes tab it just says invalid file format, and there is no install under the icon themes
[03:50] <rabidphage> hi folks, when running the installer from live cd, ubiquity crashes. is there some workaround to install gutsy?
[03:52] <johnnybuoy> did you try the alternate VD?
[03:52] <johnnybuoy> CD*
[03:54] <rabidphage> johnnybuoy.. nope.. i didn't want to download since my connection is kinda slow
[03:54] <rabidphage> on second thoght i should have downloaded the alternate first
[03:54] <rabidphage> any way at least its a bug report for the community.
[03:55] <rabidphage> :P
[03:58] <DanaG> hah, changelog for desktop-effects:
[03:58] <DanaG>     - hide cube and wobbly options until they are fixed
[03:58] <DanaG>       (changing them does nothing currently)
[03:59] <DanaG> Well, last time I looked, those were the only two options present -- so now what, it is a blank dialog?
[04:00] <DanaG> Well, it IS in a +1 update, but whatever.
[04:00] <gnomefreak> DanaG: this channel is not for offtopic topics and you know that and i have warned you many times
[04:00] <gnomefreak> DanaG: #ubuntu-effects
[04:00] <gnomefreak> DanaG: this is a support channel
[04:03] <calc> gnomefreak: not trying to start anything but what exactly is in topic? i must have missed some back story on DanaG... their comment seemed legitimate in that the only things in desktop effects are what was pasted as disabled...
[04:04] <calc> er s/in/on/
[04:05] <calc> DanaG: and don't antagonize ops its a bad idea in general ;)
[04:05] <gnomefreak> calc: gutsy support
[04:06] <gnomefreak> if it is not gutsy support related it belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:06] <ryanpg> hi all... somehow all my core dumps have a size of 0
[04:06] <calc> gnomefreak: isn't desktop-effects 0.7.1-0ubuntu5 in gutsy only?
[04:06] <ryanpg> ulimit reports "unlimited"
[04:07] <gnomefreak> ryanpg: its being worked on. there is a issue with kernel
[04:07] <ryanpg> gnomefreak, k, thanks
[04:07] <calc> gnomefreak: but yea complaining about it on #ubuntu-effects probably would be better than in here
[04:07] <gnomefreak> calc: we have separate channel for desktop effects
[04:07] <calc> gnomefreak: ok, np
[04:08] <johnnybuoy> isn't ubuntu-effects for feisty?
[04:08] <gnomefreak> calc: ther eis a list (not sure where it is atm) of alot of things that need to be merged for tribe2 i think(maybe it was 3)
[04:08] <gnomefreak> johnnybuoy: yes not that version though
[04:08] <gnomefreak> calc: it was in the meeting you missed :)
[04:09] <calc> gnomefreak: looking on here there is 67 things listed, first one i looked at was broken by the merge tool, second one already merged, guess i'll pick one at random and check to see if its already done :)
[04:47] <ajmorris_> how do you install icon themes under the new layout?... if i try just under the themes tab it just says invalid file format, and there is no install under the icon themes
[05:02] <DanaG> /JOIN #ubuntu-effects
[05:21] <starhawk> hi
[05:21] <starhawk> any one here I am slow on the uptake
[05:22] <vlowther> starhawk: what's up?
[05:23] <starhawk> I lost adept
[05:23] <starhawk> on the last update
[05:23] <starhawk> how do I get it back
[05:24] <vlowther> starhawk: try reinstalling it from command prompt?
[05:25] <starhawk> I did that and I got an error
[05:25] <vlowther> what was the gist of the error?
[05:25] <starhawk> it said to try apt-setup or
[05:26] <calc> anyone know if martin juergens uses irc?
[05:26] <starhawk> I can paste it if it is ok
[05:27] <vlowther> starhawk: /msg it to me, pls.  No point in spamming the channel if we can avoid it.
[05:27] <vlowther> :)
[05:27] <starhawk> where is pls
[05:28] <vlowther> sorry, pls == please.
[05:28] <starhawk> ok
[05:29] <starhawk> how do I msg it to you
[05:29] <vlowther> starhawk: /msg vlowther <text of error message>
[05:31] <starhawk> do I type that where I am typing now I am new to this irc stuff
[05:32] <vlowther> yes. :)
[05:34] <starhawk> I dont think that went well for some reason
[05:35] <starhawk> oh it says that I cant private msg something about unregistered
[05:36] <vlowther> ah.
[05:36] <vlowther> starhawk: /msg NickServ help
[05:37] <vlowther> that will tell you how to register your nickname.
[05:37] <starhawk> ok
[05:41] <ajmorris_> DanaG, sorry didn't see your reply ^^... i can't join #ubuntu-effects, they don't support gutsy
[05:45] <starhawk1> did it work this time
[05:47] <starhawk1> vlowther are you stil;l there
[05:49] <starhawk1> vlowther are you stil;l there
[05:50] <starhawk1> I lost adept
[05:50] <starhawk1> on the last update
[05:50] <starhawk1> how do I get it back
[05:53] <starhawk1> vlowther are you stil;l there
[05:57] <starhawk1> can any one help me with the loss of adept after and update I would like it back
[05:59] <starhawk1>  /msg NickServ set email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:00] <greg_g> remove the first space in your last line and it will work
[06:00] <greg_g> but I have no idea about your adept issue (I'm not running gutsy, just watching)
[06:01] <starhawk1> thank you
[06:01] <starhawk1> it did work now
[06:01] <greg_g> no worries
[06:03] <starhawk1> can any one help me with the loss of adept after and update I would like it back
[06:09] <RAOF> starhawk1: I don't suppose that you've pastebinned the actual *error* anywhere?
[06:17] <starhawk1> did i do that right
[06:17] <RAOF> starhawk1: No, you should have put it in here :)
[06:18] <shirish> guys, I tried going to keyboard settings & it shows the keyboard as us intl" instead of just us , can anybody tell me how to set it right?
[06:18] <RAOF> starhawk1: Anyway.  Have you actually done what it suggests?
[06:18] <RAOF> starhawk1: (As in, run "sudo apt-get update" from a terminal)?
[06:18] <shirish> I tried changing the options but it does not show s at all
[06:18] <starhawk1> yes and I am sorry
[06:18] <starhawk1>  I am new to this
[06:19] <RAOF> That's OK.
[06:19] <RAOF> starhawk1: And what does "sudo apt-get update" say?
[06:19] <RAOF> !pastebin | starhawk1
[06:19] <ubotu> starhawk1: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:19] <starhawk1> ok
[06:19] <shirish> RAOF: any ideas m8, I miss not being able to use punctuation marks due to keyboard not configured correctly
[06:20] <crdlb> showoff :P
[06:21] <starhawk1> 26698
[06:22] <starhawk1> is that what you need
[06:22] <shirish> crdlb: can you guide me about how to configure my keyboard correctly, it shows as  us intl instead of us
[06:22] <crdlb> no idea
[06:22] <shirish> starhawk1: please give the whole link, not just the number, make it easier for people to help you
[06:22] <RAOF> shirish: In what way does System->Preferences->Keyboard->Layouts not allow you to select "Generic 104-Key PC"?
[06:22] <starhawk1> ok
[06:23] <shirish> hang on amoment
[06:24] <starhawk1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26698/
[06:25] <RAOF> starhawk1: Ok, and how about the output of "sudo apt-get update"?
[06:27] <starhawk1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26699/
[06:28] <RAOF> Ah, the old "lock file" problem :)
[06:28] <starhawk1> i know why wait a sec
[06:30] <starhawk1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26700/
[06:31] <RAOF> Right, so it would seem to be *just* a bug in Adept.  Go file it!
[06:32] <starhawk1> theres no fix yet
[06:32] <RAOF> What, it's a known issue?
[06:34] <RAOF> It looks like that's an actual bug in the Adept program.  If that bug isn't filed, go file it.  If it *is* filed, wait for it to be fixed :)
[06:34] <starhawk1> is it I dont understand
[06:34] <starhawk1> ok
[06:35] <RAOF> Because it looks to me like it's not a(n obvious) problem at your end; so file the bug and let the important people know about it :)
[06:35] <starhawk1> I will file it thank you for your help this can be the trouble with the bleeding edge I knew that when I signed up
[06:36] <starhawk1> and thank you again
[06:36] <RAOF> No problem.
[08:56] <Zenton> hi all.
[08:56] <Zenton> if I want to test last sofware version packages I use debian sid,
[08:56] <Zenton> so if I want last versions on ubuntu should I try gutsy?
[08:57] <RAOF> Yup.  Gutsy is what you want (currently).
[08:57] <Zenton> thanks RAOF.
[08:58] <RAOF> You'll want to know that Ubuntu's bugtracker is at www.launchpad.net/ubuntu :)
[08:58] <DanaG> Good night.  It's about midnight for me (pacific timezone).
[10:11] <jkimball4> Is anyone else experiencing nm-applet crashes when selecting a WPA2 network?
[10:12] <jkimball4> segmentation fault to be precise.
[10:32] <coNP> is the new amarok using kde4?
[10:32] <coNP> no, of course not
[10:33] <coNP> it looks very nice now, however
[10:42] <Ind[y] > Is, the complete removal of the Keyring Manager and stuff related, planned to be released in an update, or with the next Ubuntu version?
[10:42] <RAOF> EPARSE
[10:43] <RAOF> What do you mean?
[10:43] <RAOF> I don't think the keyring manager is going anywhere, though.
[10:44] <Ind[y] > Many people think that it creates more problems than it solves.
[10:44] <Ind[y] > Asking for the Default Keyring unlocking is tiring.
[10:44] <Ind[y] > And depromotes automacy.
[11:38] <Zenton> is it possible to use feisty and use also gusty packages? are incompatibility or other problems?
[11:40] <RAOF> Possible, but you shouldn't be surprised if things break.
[11:40] <RAOF> Also, you don't get to file bugs if you've got a mixed system :)P
[11:45] <Zenton> thanks RAOF
[12:12] <coNP> ouch
[12:12] <coNP> is pdflatex really broken?
[01:33] <_4strO> yop yop
[03:45] <cables> Is the automatic import feature for cameras going to still use gthumb in Gutsy, or will it be made to use F-Spot's import feature?
[03:52] <gnomefreak> cables: iirc feisty used fspot by default
[03:53] <cables> gnomefreak, fspot is the photo organizer, but when I plug my camera in it imports using gthumb's importer, which doesn't store it in fspot's naming convention, so it confuses fspot
[03:54] <gnomefreak> cables: hmmmmm
[03:54] <cables> gnomefreak, maybe i accidentally changed something
[03:55] <gnomefreak> cables: i will look later but i could swear it used fspot (it was first release that used it default afair) but i will look into it as soon as i get done with firefox
[03:57] <cables> gnomefreak, ok, thanks
[04:10] <gnomefreak> cables: gthumb is default importer
[04:11] <cables> yeah
[04:11] <gnomefreak> :(
[04:11] <cables> and that doesn't play nice w/ Fspot
[04:11] <cables> Fspot's importer is sucky though
[04:11] <gnomefreak> might be in gutsy
[04:11] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:11] <cables> gnomefreak, bug report time?
[04:11] <gnomefreak> not yet
[04:11] <coNP> why, isn't gthumb not good enough?
[04:11] <coNP> -not
[04:12] <cables> coNP, it's not, because it doesn't integrate nicely with fspot, which is supposed to be the default photo editor in Ubuntu
[04:12] <coNP> oh that is a pity
[04:12] <cables> except there isn't really a default, but it's supposed to be the one people use
[04:12] <coNP> I mean that we want fs-pot
[04:12] <coNP> because it does not handle directories properly
[04:12] <cables> what?
[04:12] <coNP> what makes it extremly unusable
[04:13] <cables> what makes f-spot unusable?
[04:13] <coNP> that I cannot browse my directories
[04:13] <coNP> I think users tend to use directories rather than just albums
[04:17] <coNP> gthumb is just perfect in managing directories
[04:17] <coNP> and integrates nicely with nautilus I think
[04:17] <coNP> YMMV, of course :)
[06:03] <[selfsearcher] > I tried the Live for AMD64 (Gutsy Alfa) but after the menu, my screen turns in "no signal" mode. No console (Alt+F2 doesn't work)
[06:04] <arthur> hi there, I am tring to get ndiswrapper to work on kernel 2.6.22-6-generic
[06:04] <arthur> Is the ndiswrapper module missing or is it just me?
[06:05] <arthur> I can't find the rtl modules either
[06:06] <arthur> I would like to get r818x to work but can't find it
[06:13] <lucasvo> anyone using the new gtk displayconfig util?
[07:21] <afie> Hey Ubuntu devs. A Ubuntu update broke ALSA (amd64 here) for an extremely popular sound chip (intel hda) on quite a bit of laptops. I had to fix it by getting alsalib source and updating it according to a guide on Ubuntu.com. After doing that, audio in 32-bit Flash via nspluginwrapper was broken. emul-linux-x86-soundlibs-2.5 is compatible with the new ALSA that fixes the issue with these chips.  Better that it be unstable than unusable.
[07:30] <Hobbsee> afie: /topic
[09:16] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/87299
[09:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87299 in amarok "Multimedia keys not working in Feisty (no need to confirm behavior anymore)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:16] <DanaG> I try to use the script, Amarok just locks up.
[09:18] <DanaG> Oddly, it plays for a little while, then stalls.
[09:20] <DanaG> Odd... it's Pulseaudio that's failing.
[09:21] <DanaG> Plus, I had to edit the python script to explicitly ask for 2.4, I think.
[09:25] <gnomefreak> DanaG: the script locking up amarok hmm did you happen to tell the person who wrote the script? leave that comment on the bug? oh and btw the script was written for feisty
[09:25] <DanaG> Oh, I figured it out: it's not the script that's freezing.
[09:37] <fuoco> i tried to compile a package from gutsy and it failed, even though it's compiled on gutsy, how is that possible?
[09:40] <gnomefreak> fuoco: the packages it depends on
[09:41] <fuoco> gnomefreak: i used prevu, so i expect that should solve it. but maybe not
[09:42] <gnomefreak> fuoco: prevu diesnt relaly solve anything iirc
[09:44] <gnomefreak> doesnt
[09:59] <DanaG> aah, my issue seems to be something in dcop.
[10:00] <DanaG> dcop amarok player playPause
[10:00] <DanaG> one time works, but the next time dies.
[10:02] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/86031
[10:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86031 in amarok "amarok has large delay on play/pause when using pulseaudio/xine" [Undecided,New]
[10:37] <frandavid100> hi guys
[10:38] <frandavid100> I'm trying to upgrade human to 0.7 but it says it conflicts with human-cursors-theme
[10:38] <frandavid100> is there a --force option that I can use?
[10:39] <DanaG> Remove the cursors theme.
[10:39] <DanaG> The human-theme supersedes it, I believe.
[10:39] <DanaG> s/believe/would imagine/
[10:39] <snax> hey
[10:39] <frandavid100> if I try to do that, I get:
[10:39] <frandavid100> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/human-theme_0.7_all.deb (--unpack):
[10:39] <frandavid100>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/themes/Human/cursor.theme', which is also in package human-cursors-theme
[10:39] <DanaG> I usually use aptitude instead of apt-get.
[10:40] <DanaG> Or if you need to remove the cursors theme, use dpkg.
[10:40] <snax> has anyone else noticed that aptitude wants to remove some seemingly important packages like network-manager
[10:40] <frandavid100> that would be a good idea, how can I do that?
[10:40] <DanaG> You might've removed the ubuntu-desktop metapackage.
[10:40] <frandavid100> I've only used dpkg to install debs
[10:40] <frandavid100> nope
[10:40] <snax> nope, I'm pretty certain it's installed
[10:41] <DanaG> Look through and see why it wants to remove them.  It may be broken dependencies, in which case you should just tell it to leave the packages alone (key: ':' (colon)).
[10:41] <frandavid100> dpkg returns: dependency problems - not removing
[10:42] <coNP> DanaG: the problem is that human-theme wants to overwrite some files
[10:43] <DanaG> There's a force-overwrite, but it's better to resolve the conflict for real.
[10:45] <frandavid100> what would be the command for force-overwrite?
[10:45] <coNP> sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite <yourpackage.deb>
[10:45] <DanaG> sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i whatever.deb -- aah, I type too slowly.
[10:45] <coNP> :D
[10:45] <gnomefreak> it requires the full path iirc
[10:46] <coNP> sure, so usually you should prefix your .deb with /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:47] <DanaG> Aah, the wonders of tab completion.
[10:47] <DanaG> /v<tab>/cac<tab>/apt/ar<tab>/human-th<tab>
[10:47] <frandavid100> hum, will --force-overwrite -r work?
[10:47] <coNP> you mean --remove ?
[10:47] <frandavid100> yup
[10:48] <coNP> I don't think remove should overwrite any files
[10:48] <coNP> so why would you need that?
[10:48] <coNP> (no idea if it works, though)
[10:49] <frandavid100> the problem is, I don't have a deb I want to install. I need either to upgrade a package, or remove another.
[10:49] <coNP> which ones?
[10:49] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: dont play with it if you are not sure what you are doing.
[10:49] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: you dont need to do either
[10:49] <DanaG> I once made the mistake of removing libc6........bad idea.
[10:50] <frandavid100> there shouldn't be anyproblem, it's only that upgrading human-theme requires removing human-cursors-theme, and removing human-cursors-theme requires upgrading human-theme
[10:50] <DanaG> Odd, amarok freezes when I use it with dcop.
[10:50] <frandavid100> it's like a look
[10:51] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: no it doesnt
[10:51] <frandavid100> I need to force one of them
[10:51] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: you need to file a bug. sinc eyou have shown you dont know hwat you need to overwrite
[10:51] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: its a left over link is all it is
[10:52] <frandavid100> aham
[10:52] <DanaG> But sometimes if aptitude doesn't work, I do have to overwrite.
[10:55] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: btw its gonna happen to everyone that does upgrade today.
[10:56] <DanaG> But libnss and nspr never seem to have changelogs.
[10:56] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:56] <gnomefreak> sure they do
[10:56] <gnomefreak> atleast my builds of them do
[10:59] <DanaG> Well, I guess it's not "never", but I use the changelogs listed in update-manager.
[10:59] <DanaG> The last time I saw lack of changelogs was some time in Feisty betas.
[10:59] <coNP> it is a pity if there is no changelog
[11:00] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm that should be easy enough to fix
[11:00] <coNP> gnomefreak: you mean this human-theme-issue?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> coNP: no i mean the libgimp depends issue
[11:00] <DanaG> Often changelogs don't show up on the changelogs server until later, despite already being in the deb.
[11:01] <gnomefreak> human-there... should be really easy to fix
[11:02] <gnomefreak> bbiab gonna get some more work done and take break a little later
[11:06] <DanaG> Odd, there's some combination of factors on the amarok freeze:
[11:06] <DanaG> It's only when using pulseaudio, and issuing commands through dcop.
[11:10] <DanaG> eep, compiz-fusion-plugins-main is unavailable.
[11:10] <DanaG> as well as -extra.
[11:11] <DanaG> Oh well, must have patience.


[01:42] <micahg> stgraber: not that I know of, did it happen with 17?
[04:32] <chris_gr> Good morning to everyone,is this the official ubuntu support channel?
[04:36] <jbicha> chris_gr: no, that's #ubuntu
[04:36] <chris_gr> ok ty
[06:55] <pitti> Good morning
[08:30] <stgraber> micahg: I think so, timing looks plausible
[09:06] <Laney> hey
[09:09]  * Laney suspects a quiet day ;-)
[09:10] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:10] <Laney> hey pitti, less stressed now that I have all of my Christmas shopping done :P
[09:11] <Laney> you?
[09:11] <pitti> Laney: hah, good one
[09:11] <pitti> Laney: less stressed now that the belt examination is behind me :)
[09:11] <Laney> oh, yeah I saw that on G+ - congratulations!
[09:12] <Laney> I guess that took a lot of preparation
[09:13] <pitti> some 4 weeks of intensively training all the various parts, and then just generally going to training regularly
[10:42] <mitya57> hi, can anybody please comment on lp:~mitya57/ubuntu-themes/remove-desktop?
[10:47] <Laney> mitya57: can you check with people in #ubuntu-unity that they are unused?
[10:47] <Laney> and explain the packaging changes in d/changelog please
[10:47] <mitya57> Laney: will do both things now
[10:48] <Laney> cheers, and thanks for the change
[10:48] <Laney> let me know the outcome and I can merge it in for you
[10:48] <Laney> well, I hope I can
[11:30] <Laney> does anything break if we enable the wayland backend in gtk3?
[11:30] <Laney> bug #954352
[11:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 954352 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Raring) "Enable wayland backend" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/954352
[11:42]  * mitya57 hates MSU's WiFi
[11:43] <mitya57> [15:29]   <mitya57> Laney: re ^^: they don't reply, so I've requested their review at the mp
[11:45] <Laney> mitya57: OK, sure. I'm not subscribed to it but feel free to ping me in a couple of days.
[11:46] <mitya57> Laney: OK.
[13:28] <czajkowski> anyone know where I'd find Bilal Akhtar  on irc or his ir nick ?
[13:32] <jibel> czajkowski, https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=Bilal+Akhtar ?
[13:33] <jibel> he doesn't seem to be online
[13:33] <czajkowski> jibel: cheers just wondered if he hung out in here
[13:34] <czajkowski> http://blog.itsbilal.com/index.php/2012/12/connect-an-android-4-0-phonetablet-to-ubuntu-the-reliable-way/  following this as want some xmas tunes on phone and wondering why we have to hack a 12.10 desktop just to get my phone to talk to it :/
[13:36] <jibel> czajkowski, he used to hang out here and various other ubuntu channels but haven't seen him recently
[13:37] <czajkowski> left comment on the blog, time to catch a flight, thanks jibel
[13:37] <jibel> yw
[16:05] <micahg> stgraber: unfortunately, I don't see anything upstream about people having issues with paper size
[18:03] <xnox> czajkowski: libmtp from my ppa should have just fixed your phone to e.g. sync music to it via rhythmbox & banshee. Was it not enough? Or do you actually want to browse folders on it?
[19:35] <robru> cyphermox, ping
[19:36] <cyphermox> robru: pong!
[19:36] <robru> cyphermox, hey! did you get that email about the SRU stuff? do you have a minute to help me with that?
[19:46] <cyphermox> robru: I didn't see, but yeah I have time, just a second
[19:46] <robru> ok
[19:51] <robru> cyphermox, it was sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is that incorrect?
[19:51] <cyphermox> yeah ;)
[19:51] <robru> cyphermox, ahhhh, I'll forward it to you then. what's the right address?
[19:52] <robru> cyphermox, (that's the address listed in the company directory...)
[19:52] <cyphermox> oh wait, it is the correct address
[19:52] <cyphermox> I mean I got the email, I'm looking at the bug
[19:52] <robru> oh, o
[19:53] <robru> ok
[19:54] <cyphermox> so, we should figure out why it's just Fix Committed and not yet Fix Released, as in why it's not yet in the compiz in raring
[19:54] <cyphermox> SRUs should have their fixes be in the dev release first at least
[19:55] <cyphermox> then if it's indeed a small fix you'll want to target add a target to the bug for Quantal -- you should have a link "Nominate for release" for that


[14:24] <jianghuaw> hi, can we use MAAS to manage the VMs created on XenServer?
[14:25] <jianghuaw> I'm planning to deployment OpenStack by using XenServer+MAAS+JUJU.
[14:25] <jianghuaw> But I'm not sure if the VMs can be managed by MAAS.
[14:54] <jianghuaw> What I hope to do do is: 1). boot several VMs(from xenserver) 2). use maas to commission them; and then 3) use them in juju to deploy OpenStack services.
[14:55] <jianghuaw> Can it work? Thanks in advance for any input.
[14:56] <ybaumy> xen is not supported IMO
[14:56] <ybaumy> i dont see it in powertypes
[15:11] <jianghuaw> ybaumy, yes, xen is not in powertypes. Can we make the VMs just as baremetal? Manually power on/off the VMs; only let MAAS to bootstrap VMs.
[15:12] <jianghuaw> and let JUJU to use these VMs?
[15:13] <ybaumy> you could try manual. add the mac address and then add the node
[15:13] <ybaumy> but i dont know much more about it
[15:13] <ybaumy> im using vmware
[15:14] <jianghuaw> ybaumy, how are you using VMware with MAAS?
[15:14] <ybaumy> the same as you inted to use it with xen
[15:14] <ybaumy> add vcenter nodes + maas commission + juju deploy
[15:15] <jianghuaw> does it work well?
[15:15] <ybaumy> well there is a bug with disk boot order but besides that yes it works well
[15:15] <jianghuaw> I'm glad to know of it. Thanks.
[15:16] <jianghuaw> I will test it with xen on tomorrow.
[15:16] <ybaumy> but i have to say .. i dont use it in production yet. so be careful
[15:16] <ybaumy> :D
[15:17] <jianghuaw> I see. Anyway I got more confidence. Thanks.
[15:19] <ybaumy> another thing. you cannot add chassis vcenter from maas. you have to use commandline. just a tip if you move that way
[15:20] <ybaumy> protocol must be https+unverfied if you dont have a valid ssl cert
[15:20] <jianghuaw> thanks for the tips.
[15:21] <jianghuaw> how did you resolve the disk boot order issue or any workaround?
[15:21] <ybaumy> that was one thing i searched myself to death.
[15:21] <ybaumy> well i add one disk to commission currently
[15:21] <ybaumy> and then add the second and third disks for the ceph-osd nodes afterwards
[15:22] <jianghuaw> ok. I will follow the same way:-)
[15:22] <ybaumy> once the nodes are ready you can modify disks
[15:22] <ybaumy> i hope devs will fix that soon
[15:23] <jianghuaw> Have you filed a bug?
[15:23] <ybaumy> yes and another guy
[15:23] <jianghuaw> Do you have the bug# at the moment?
[15:24] <ybaumy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1673726 https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1673724
[15:25] <ybaumy> the second from the other guy descibes it better i guess
[15:25] <jianghuaw> cool. Thanks for the sharing.
[15:25] <ybaumy> i thought it is scsi id related
[15:26] <ybaumy> because i have always trouble with ids in SUSE
[15:27] <jianghuaw> :-)
[18:04] <mup> Bug #1674127 opened: delete_authorisation_token is a POST <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674127>


[00:01] <Weudel> hello?
[00:15] <Weudel> Okay, we'll try this again in a couple weeks. I'll send out info for our next meeting in the next couple of days...


[00:13]  * Myrtti sods off to bed
[00:13] <genii> Ah. One of those.
[00:13] <genii> eg: rm <fill in blank here>
[00:14] <Myrtti> with a funky random script to add to confusion
[00:14] <Myrtti> which to my knowledge really acted like a russian roulette
[00:14] <Myrtti> LjL: thanks
[00:15] <Myrtti> I was just going to say that feel free to kick him out
[00:17] <Myrtti> anyway
[00:17] <Myrtti> *really* *yawn* going to bed now.
[00:17] <Myrtti> I love you all
[00:17] <Myrtti> you're speshul.
[00:18] <Myrtti> even mneptok
[00:18] <Myrtti> he's super speshul.
[00:53] <jrib> truer words have never been spoken
[01:17]  * genii blinks
[01:19] <PriceChild> genii: not seen that before?
[01:23] <PriceChild> Pavlz: looks a little odd in #ubuntu
[01:28] <genii> PriceChild: No, it's not like I hang here much normally :)
[01:29] <genii> At any rate work #2 is done, I'll see you all shortly from home
[02:39] <genii> Is it @bt or @btlogin to ubottu ?
[02:40] <genii> nvm got it
[02:44] <PriceChild> genii: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[02:45] <PriceChild> genii: if people are affected, they are removed from #ubuntu and given instructions on how to patch themselves up before being allowed back in.
[02:45] <genii> PriceChild: For the earlier alert which I saw?
[02:45] <PriceChild> Yes
[02:45] <genii> Ah, is this the port 6667 vs 8001 thing?
[02:46] <Pici> Yes.
[02:46] <genii> OK
[02:46] <Pici> Theres actually a good discussion about it on the ubuntu-irc mailing list recently.
[02:46]  * genii wonders where you sign up for that
[02:47] <Pici> !lists
[02:48] <genii> OK found the one just mentioned
[02:50] <genii> PriceChild: I noticed it's your baby
[02:50] <PriceChild> genii: pardon?
[02:50] <genii> PriceChild: "Ubuntu-irc list run by pricechild at ubuntu.com"
[02:50] <Pici> PriceChild: You're the father of his baby?
[02:50] <Pici> oh.. that.
[02:51] <PriceChild> When the irc council was created/when seveas left, he rolled some dice and gave each bit to someone random. I got the lists.
[02:51] <genii> hehe
[02:52] <genii> Ah. Mailman is nice, I like it. Easy to maintain, etc
[03:52]  * mneptok belches erotically
[04:56] <genii> I wonder if that WeeChat is any good
[04:57]  * PriceChild whispers irssi
[04:58] <genii> PriceChild: I've installed it now (irssi) but it will take some getting used to. For the time being I'm mainly Konversation
[04:59] <PriceChild> eventually you'll want a permenant shell
[04:59] <genii> The unconnected /help list alone in irssi seems a bit daunting
[04:59] <PriceChild> well, that's if you make it that long
[04:59] <genii> True
[05:00] <genii> So most use screen/irssi here then?
[05:00] <PriceChild> probably not
[05:00] <PriceChild> I used to swear by xchat.
[05:00] <PriceChild> There's a load of people eating crack on konversation though.
[05:01] <genii> PriceChild: stdin is nudging me in the xchat direction
[05:02]  * mneptok is a CLI IRC guy
[05:02] <mneptok> but ... i'm old.
[05:03] <genii> mneptok: So an irssi user?
[05:03] <mneptok> yessah
[05:03] <genii> I'm taking sort of an informal poll
[05:05] <mneptok> well, i'm not really the typical IRC user.
[05:05] <mneptok> i'm over 30. college educated. and employed.
[05:05]  * mneptok grins evilly
[05:05] <genii> Hmm
[05:08] <genii> I find it somehow disturbing that I'm in the same demographic group
[05:10] <nalioth> genii: irssi allows you much more freedom than any gui can ever hope to
[05:10] <genii> nalioth: I guess I'll just grin and bear the  learning curve
[05:10] <nalioth> for instance, this irssi is running on a server in London
[05:11] <nalioth> but i'm sitting in front of my computer in Houston
[05:11] <genii> nalioth: So screen/irssi combo? or ssh'd in or so
[05:11] <nalioth> screen/irssi with ssh access, yes
[05:12] <genii> OK. That would have seemed to me the most elegant way
[05:12] <nalioth> i used to run irssi/screen on the box locally and log in from my laptop when i was working 18 hour days / 7 days a week
[05:21] <genii-2> On by irssi now.
[05:22] <nalioth> genii: genii-2: you'll be happy to know that irssi.org has got to have the BEST documents of any piece of software i've ever used
[05:22] <genii-2> Well thats at least good to know!
[05:23] <PriceChild> even if the author gave up with it half way through 8-)
[05:23] <genii-2> Hmm
[05:23] <genii-2> nalioth: You mean by way of it's manpage or so?
[05:24] <nalioth> genii-2: no, 'how-to' 'sekrit coadz' and all kinds of neat stuff
[05:24] <genii> OK
[05:24] <nalioth> you know we all write our own scripts, right?
[05:25] <genii-2> I do now apparently
[05:26] <nalioth> and all new ops have to write a good one for the rest of us  :D
[05:27] <PriceChild> You have 12 hours.
[05:33] <genii> My wifi adapter conked out. On my backup now.
[05:34] <genii> So I'm supposed to make some nice script for irssi for you guys?
[05:37]  * genii gets out his Black Book of Perl and crams
[05:44] <genii> Interesting. alt <arrows> for channel switches
[05:44] <PriceChild> never knew about that before
[05:50] <mneptok> Host 'snowwhite', running Linux 2.6.20-17-server - Cpu0: Intel 2660 MHz Cpu1: Intel 2660 MHz Cpu2: Intel 2660 MHz Cpu3: Intel 2660 MHz; Up: 75d+6:10; Users: 5; Load: 0.52; Free: [Mem: 12042/16241 Mio] [Swap: 1906/1906 Mio] [: / Mio] [/boot: 153/236 Mio] [: / Mio]; Vpenis: 688.4 cm;
[05:50] <mneptok> praise irssi!
[05:52]  * genii tries to figure out how to make different names appear in colours other than white for the sake of his sanity
[05:52] <Flannel> genii: Among other things.
[05:52] <Flannel> genii: (the channel switching)
[05:52] <Flannel> there's at least five ways
[05:53] <genii> Flannel: Google told me ^x but that didn't actually seem to work. At least not in this one I'm running under Konsole
[05:53] <Flannel> x?
[05:54] <genii> To switch between channels
[05:54] <genii> ctrl-x I believe
[05:54] <mneptok> alt-#
[05:55] <genii> mneptok: Nice, goes directly :)
[05:55] <mneptok> yes'm
[05:56] <mneptok> continue through QWERTY for >10
[05:56] <Flannel> alt-number, 1-0 and then q-o for 11+
[05:57] <Flannel> or ctrl-n and ctrl-p,
[05:57] <Flannel> (alt-n and alt-p are page up/down)
[05:58] <genii> Hmm. maybe doesn't work yet for me since no page is off top of screen
[05:59] <Flannel> you can also use /window #
[06:00] <genii> Flannel: Before I knew what shortcuts I was just using /j #name
[06:00] <Flannel> and then alt-a gets you to the "next current" window
[06:00] <genii> "next current" is next in which someone is speaking to you?
[06:00] <Flannel> Or channel with activity, or whatnot
[06:00] <genii> OK
[06:01] <genii> Thats actually pretty useful
[06:01] <Flannel> or if you want to get rid of all of your activity logs, just hold alt and hold a
[06:01] <Flannel> and you'll spam through them all
[06:01] <genii> Bah. Learning irssi and some smartass now in #kubuntu
[06:04] <mneptok> sorry. was smoking.
[06:04] <genii> Heh
[06:05] <genii> mneptok: At least it's not crazy in there right now.
[06:06] <mneptok> yeah, TOO quiet.
[06:06] <mneptok> dun dun DUNNNNH
[06:12] <genii> At least there's no shortage of comic relief around here
[06:15] <mneptok> for certain definitions of "relief"
[06:20] <genii> Weird. /whois name      doesn't seem to produce any result
[06:20] <genii> Wait appeared in another channel
[06:20] <PriceChild> genii: /win 1
[06:21] <genii> PriceChild: /whois name /win 1                 ?
[06:21] <PriceChild> not quite
[06:21] <genii> Hmm
[06:22] <PriceChild> if you do a whois, by default it will appear in a query window for that user, and if that doesn't exist, the status window, which can by found by alt+1, or /win 1.
[06:22] <PriceChild> (i think its by default anyway)
[06:23] <genii> OK
[06:26] <genii> Bleh. 1:25am here.
[09:38] <elkbuntu> jpds, see the line above it where you say you dont have a net connection anymore? that.
[09:39] <jpds> elkbuntu: It was the thing about the irssi upload I made to change the default port to 8001 (it's on the mailing list).
[09:39]  * elkbuntu tries again... jpds, what happened to your net connection.
[09:40] <jpds> Ahh, we're a bit low on funds and our laptops harddisks died, so... I can only come on when I'm at school.
[09:41] <elkbuntu> aww
[09:42] <elkbuntu> so you have a net connection, just nothing to connect?
[09:42] <jpds> No, one computer left, no net.
[09:54]  * jpds disappears again 'til next week, later.
[10:12] <Hobbsee> Have you guys seen http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2008/10/irc-bot-for-manpagesubuntucom.html ?
[10:13] <Hobbsee> perhaps they've finally reformed.
[10:15] <ikonia> I read that and found no use for it
[10:16] <ikonia> plus I think it would be really annoying / wasteful in a channel such as ubuntu
[10:16] <ikonia> while I admire the intention, I think the practicality would be lost
[10:17] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, given the behaviour exhibited by some of them the past weeks, i strongly doubt it.
[10:17] <Hobbsee> the question then is - will the bot be allowed in ubuntu channels?
[10:18] <elkbuntu> no way.
[10:18]  * Hobbsee also notes planet seemsto be degrading - there was that post, and a one-word post from jono today.
[10:18] <elkbuntu> we accept patches to *our* bot, but we dont accept bots we cannot control.
[10:19]  * Hobbsee notes that other bot?
[10:20] <Hobbsee> or does "control" include "email the people who own it, telling them you no longer wish to be involved in their project"?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> (because i'm sure that will eventually be brought up as an objection)
[10:22] <elkbuntu> that does count, yes. we cannot control those whose existance is based purely on a challenge of ours.
[10:23] <Hobbsee> right
[10:23] <Hobbsee> presumably control means "ask them to leave, orbehave in certain ways, without having to result to force" or something similar.
[10:31] <elkbuntu> yes
[10:31] <elkbuntu> precisely
[10:31] <elkbuntu> sorry, watching the proverbial hit the fan in #wikipedia
[10:32] <Hobbsee> no staffers around?
[10:32] <elkbuntu> there's 3 ops. there's many more morons.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> ah, right.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> +m ftw!
[10:33] <Hobbsee> +v the odd clueful ones
[10:33] <Hobbsee> actually, looking at that, probably better to let them run amok.
[10:34] <elkbuntu> not really. they'd eventually figure how to spam other ways
[10:34] <elkbuntu> just let them vent, ban the really really obnoxious ones
[10:34] <elkbuntu> just like we do for -r-p
[10:34] <Hobbsee> oh, therewas spamming?  I just saw a whole lot of people screaming
[10:34] <Hobbsee> yeah.  ugh.
[10:34]  * Hobbsee dun wanna think about that...
[10:34] <elkbuntu> well, s/spamming/flooding/
[10:35] <elkbuntu> i consider /b/tard idiocy to be spam.
[10:35] <Hobbsee> that's true
[10:35] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:35] <ikonia> has anyone got an image parser, I've got an image filled with binary 0's and 1's and I'm trying to copy and paste it but I keep making mistakes
[10:35] <elkbuntu> it's sure as heck not stuff i subscribe to
[10:35] <Hobbsee> hmm, 2 weeks to get prepared.
[10:44] <ikonia> sorted, never mind
[13:40] <Pici> Was z_ unbanned in -offtopic?
[13:46] <ikonia> @bansearch z_ #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:46] <ikonia> @btlogin
[13:47] <ikonia> you did it
[13:47] <ikonia> removed by pici
[13:47] <ikonia> october 14th
[13:48] <Pici> Check the comment
[13:48] <ikonia> ooh yes
[13:48] <ikonia> there is no other ban showing, just a kick
[13:48] <ikonia> looks like your ban is not picked up
[13:49] <Pici> No, looks like he changed his ident.
[13:49] <ikonia> even so there is no ban for z_ showing up in bt under any ident
[13:49] <ikonia> is z_ asustech guys ?
[13:49] <ikonia> asuestek or what ever his name was
[13:50] <Pici> I'm not sure, I only revised Myrtti's original ban because I saw him evade once before.
[13:50] <ikonia> I can't see her ban just kicks
[13:51] <ikonia> or am I being dumb and missing something obvious
[13:52] <jussi01> ikonia: myrtti said something like that, though I cant confirm...
[13:53] <ikonia> curious as to why I can't see picis ban
[13:53] <ikonia> I see pici removing myrtii's ban and he said he replaced it with one of his own, but i can't see his
[13:53] <ikonia> 3:53 -!- 57 - #ubuntu-offtopic: ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[by Pici, 210251 secs ago]
[13:53] <ikonia> shows up in /ban
[13:53] <Pici> 08:53:45 [freenode] >>>> 2 - #ubuntu-offtopic: ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[by Pici!n=Pici@ubuntu/member/pici, 210260 secs ago]
[13:53] <ikonia> ubottu must have missed it
[13:54] <Pici> No, I see it on the BT
[13:54] <Pici> @banlink<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:54] <Pici> bah
[13:54] <ikonia> ahh it came up under asus
[13:54] <ikonia> not z
[13:54] <ikonia> z_
[13:55] <ikonia> he's on a slightly differnt ip so ban dodging
[13:55] <ikonia> .41 and .45
[13:55] <ikonia> changed ident as you said pici
[13:55] <ikonia> I now see what you where syaing,
[13:56] <ikonia> can't he just be removed for ban dodgin /
[13:56] <ikonia> dodging even
[13:56] <ikonia> I guess he can :)
[13:57]  * ikonia envy's pici's memory for ban format
[14:00] <elkbuntu> ikonia, he is forever to be removed at the slightest infringement of anything. he was given months to learn to play well with others, and failed.
[14:00] <ikonia> elkbuntu ahh thank you for the info
[14:01] <ikonia> he's still in offtopic unless pici's chatting with him
[14:01] <ikonia> oh no he's gone
[14:01] <Pici> He is forwarded here.
[14:01] <elkbuntu> he gets quite creepy with his questions, and refuses to understand why
[14:01] <Pici> This is still about the porn site thing that myrtti banned him about, as he is evading that ban.
[14:02] <elkbuntu> it was not just the porn site. it was his questions which in all honesty stopped only a whisker short of 'what colour panties are you wearing?'
[14:03] <ikonia> !logs
[14:03] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i'm sure there are only two correct answers to that.
[14:03] <Pici> elkbuntu: Shall I remove the forward then and just make it a ban?
[14:03] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, and neither are to come from mneptok.
[14:04] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: and the latter one is "you shouldn't be wondering what colour they are,but about how soon it will be before the cluebat comes out, and smacks you over the head"
[14:04] <elkbuntu> Pici, possibly, unless you want myrtti upset
[14:04] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: definetly
[14:06] <Pici> elkbuntu: I'd rather no one was uspet... so: fixed.
[14:07] <ikonia> thats the aim of the game
[14:08] <elkbuntu> well, z_ might be slightly upset, but, well, he had his chances.
[14:09] <Pici> Indeed, indeed.
[14:09] <ikonia> he doesn't seem a nice chap from what you saying
[14:10] <elkbuntu> it's not that he's not nice. just... has little to no regard for others
[14:10] <ikonia> thats not nice
[14:11] <elkbuntu> ikonia, well, it's not that he's like it intentionally, i meant
[14:12] <ikonia> "what colour are your panties"......by accident ?
[14:12] <ikonia> ( I understand what your leaning towards though )
[14:15] <elkbuntu> ikonia, no, he didnt actually ask that
[14:15] <ikonia> ahhh
[14:15] <elkbuntu> " his questions which in all honesty stopped only a whisker short of 'what"
[14:15] <ikonia> ahh
[14:16] <Hobbsee> hence, they were "are you"?
[15:21] <ikonia> LjL: what did that mean ?
[15:22] <LjL> ikonia: pissing myself laughing
[15:22] <ikonia> he's messing me around, I hate being lied to
[15:23] <ikonia> he's still not asked his question in git
[15:23] <LjL> quite rightly so
[15:23] <ikonia> ?
[15:23] <LjL> quite rightly you hate being lied to
[15:23] <ikonia> ah
[15:26] <genii> The @login and @btlogin when issued to ubottu in PM seem not to be having any effect
[15:27] <ikonia> genii: I sometimes get that in pm only,
[15:27] <ikonia> do a public @login then try it
[15:27] <ikonia> don't know why
[15:27] <genii> OK
[15:27] <genii> @login
[15:27] <ikonia> ahh ha
[15:27] <genii> He doesn't like me today :)
[15:27] <ikonia> @login
[15:29] <genii> Where's stdin when you need him
[15:33] <Pici> genii: Are you identified?
[15:34] <ikonia> not according to my whois
[15:34] <genii> Pici: freenode accepted my login password for genii if thats what you mean. Perhaps because I connect from many different locations it's having identd issues or so
[15:37] <Pici> genii: Well, you're missing your cloak which you had yesterday.
[15:37] <genii> I noticed
[15:40] <genii> Would it matter if my master name is different than the one I normally use?
[15:41] <genii> eg: genii-around is the master name and genii is a subsidiary
[15:41] <Pici> Uh.  It may.
[15:41] <Pici> Actually... it shouldnt.
[15:42] <genii> Hmm
[15:42] <Pici> genii: Needless to say, you still aren't identified.
[15:42] <Pici>  /msg nickserv help identify
[15:44] <genii> Weird, thought I was already identified but guess not.
[15:44] <genii> @login
[15:44] <genii> Yay!
[15:49] <genii> Guess I'll need to tinker with the ~/.irssi/startup
[15:50] <Pici> genii: If you're using irssi now, you may find some of these aliases handy: http://nullcortex.com/2008/06/23/irssi-aliases-scripts/
[15:51] <genii> Pici: Awesome, thanks
[15:56] <nickrud> genii, welcome to the condition of whipping boy ;)
[15:58]  * genii contemplates what script to work on for irssi
[16:02] <nalioth> genii: you don't want colored nicks. no no no no.  you want this:
[16:03]  * nalioth looks for his failed alias  :(
[16:03] <nalioth> Want to see if someone is identified to services at a glance?  http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spoofing
[16:03] <nalioth> ah, there it is.
[16:03] <nalioth> red for unidentified users and green for identified ones
[16:05] <ikonia> now that is handy
[16:10] <Mez> hehe, and you can do similar in xchat i believe
[16:11] <Mez> /set irc_id_ntext %C4
[16:11] <Dave2> you also need to put $4 in your channel message stuffs.
[16:12] <Mez> should be there by default though
[16:12] <Mez> is for me
[16:12] <ikonia> still cool to know
[16:12] <genii> Hm
[16:12] <Mez> %C18%H<%H$4$1%H>%H%O$t$2
[16:13] <Mez> though, noone unidentifed that It's shown yet
[16:14] <Mez> ook, so..... it isnt working ... o_O
[16:14] <Dave2> It's not in there by default
[16:15] <Mez> %C18%H<%H$4$1%H>%H%O$t$2 <-- whats in there by default for me
[16:15] <Dave2> by default, or not by default but you put it in so long ago you forgot?
[16:16] <Mez> I've never known what $4 did till now and i havent touched those
[16:16] <Mez> or I'd have worked out to get rid of the %H's
[16:16] <Mez> hehe
[16:17] <Dave2> perhaps it's new then
[16:17] <Mez> which is why it wsnt working
[16:17] <Mez> yeah, its the default in newer versions
[16:24] <Mez> though, to be fair Dave2, I've no idea how to get xchat to work with ti
[16:24] <Dave2> Should just work.
[16:25] <Pici> I have my irssi setup to put questionmarks in front of un-ided people.
[16:25] <Mez> Dave2, I'd guess that xchat needs to send a message to say "ok, send me the identify msg stuff"?
[16:26] <Dave2> it does that by default and has done for ever.
[16:27] <Mez> yeah, but, if you're using a proxy....
[16:27] <Dave2> that doesn't change anything.
[16:27] <Dave2> It's one of the most common questions I've seen about irssi-proxy, people wondering "I've connected XChat to my irssi-proxy, now my irssi has +s and -s everywhere"
[16:28] <Mez> oh, it seems that my proxy doesnt take into account that capability thoguh
[16:28] <Mez> (not irssi-proxy)
[16:34] <Dave2> then it doesn't pass on CAPAB commands
[16:37] <Mez> Dave2, how does xchat tell the server to send the stuff?
[16:37] <Mez> (speaking to coder of my proxy)
[16:37] <Dave2> CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG
[16:40] <Mez> oh, ok
[16:45] <Pici> Feisty EOL on the 19th.
[16:49]  * genii mourns 6.10
[16:49] <jussi01> 6.10 was edgy...
[16:51] <genii> Ah right 7.04
[16:51] <genii> I won't miss either much actually
[16:51] <jussi01> Feisty was a good release
[16:53] <ikonia> I'm not impressed with the 6 month release cycle as a whole and think it detracts from teh releases
[16:53] <ikonia> releases only appear valid for 6 months and then die (despite the official line)
[16:59] <genii> The intermediate releases between LTS I usually don't bother with much
[17:05] <genii> Still using 6.06 on a couple boxes in fact
[17:25]  * jussi01 is somewhat tipsy...
[17:26] <jdong> jussi01: now everyone in the club gettin tipsy....
[17:26] <jdong> (sorry, bad bad song reference)
[17:26] <jussi01> jdong: *thwack*
[17:27] <jdong> come on :)
[17:27] <jussi01> jdong: do you have a hilight in "tipsy" ?
[17:29] <genii> Looks like a bunch of compromised boxes coordinating an attack
[17:30] <genii> Actually only a few
[17:33] <jussi01> damn, thats a show and a half...
[17:33] <genii> Yup
[18:24] <jussi01> [20:24:14] <oirft> All members of asianbookie chat/forums need go on http://probetting.blog.com http://probetting.blog.com The service is recommand from BA big europe forum.For every info our service guaranted for winning.
[18:24] <jussi01> !staff | ^^^
[18:25] <jussi01> in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:25] <jussi01> [20:24:14] <oirft> All members of asianbookie chat/forums need go on http://probetting.blog.com http://probetting.blog.com The service is recommand from BA big europe forum.For every info our service guaranted for winning.
[18:25] <jussi01> oops
[18:26] <jussi01> [20:24:18] <-- oirft<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit (Client Quit)
[18:26] <christel> thanks for heads up
[18:26] <christel> theyre klined, tho, he quit before it was set
[18:27] <jussi01> christel: np's
[18:27] <jussi01> ok :)
[18:42]  * nalioth just bought 12kg of rice
[18:43] <Mez> hmm... many irssi users in here?
[18:44] <Tm_T> always
[18:44] <Mez> how do you get that bar with the window list above your status?
[18:45] <Tm_T> er, what you mean?
[18:46] <Mez> one sec
[18:47] <Mez> There is a way (I Don't know how) that you can get (above your input box and above your status bar) a list of your windows... so you can see the numbers for each one or something
[18:47] <Mez> I know Myrtti and popey have it...
[18:48] <Mez> but neither of them are responding (damn them)
[18:50] <Tm_T> Mez: I have stuff in default way, and am happy with
[18:50] <Tm_T> but yeah, there's a way, I guess there's hints in irssi.org
[18:50] <Tm_T> see themes or so
[18:51] <Mez> Tm_T: with as many windows as I potentially have, it's nice to have a list :D
[18:51] <Tm_T> Mez: how many windows?
[18:55] <Mez> has been known to be over 200
[18:55] <jussi01> Mez: adv_windowlist.pl iirc
[18:55] <Mez> jussi01: which is weird, cause I thought that it was a default feature, Myrtti sent me a copy of her config a while back, and well, I cant find it in there :D
[18:56] <jussi01> heh
[18:57] <Tm_T> Mez: I see, I usually handle 30-70 windows, only some extra bindings to help
[18:58] <Mez> hmm, yeah, but I'm not gonna remember which is which
[18:58] <Tm_T> heh
[18:58] <jussi01> you could all just use quassel... :D
[18:58] <Tm_T> jussi01: I won't, I'm too old to change my irc client
[18:58] <Mez> is there also something to make the chat line up instead of being back and forth depending on nick length
[18:58] <Tm_T> changing from KDE3 to KDE4 was shock enough
[18:59] <Tm_T> Mez: theme settings or so
[18:59] <jussi01> Tm_T: you are younger than me...
[18:59] <ceqDnorp> ahum, perhaps i should made the floodbots' -rR timeout longer?
[18:59] <Mez> jussi01: I would, except, it needs qt-network for the server, which means I need to pull in all the damned graphical stuff
[18:59] <ceqDnorp> and what's this nickname anyway
[18:59] <Tm_T> jussi01: no I'm not, 113 years and all
[18:59] <Mez> ceqDnorp: another name for LjL again?
[18:59] <jussi01> Mez: no, there is a static build... :)
[18:59] <jussi01> no need for the qtlibs
[19:00] <Mez> jussi01: I prefer to compile myself
[19:00] <Mez> I dont like static builds
[19:04] <Mez> wb ljl
[19:05] <jussi01> LjL: is !offline still on my server?
[19:05] <LjL> sure jussi01
[19:05] <jussi01> ok :)
[19:15]  * Mez hmmles
[19:15] <Mez> not bad, not bad..
[19:21]  * Mez now just needs to find relevant scripts
[19:23] <Mez> like a good away log,
[19:32] <Mez> any reccomendations for away hilight logs?
[19:38] <nalioth> Mez: quit trying to make xchat behave like irssi does by default - just use irssi  :)
[19:38] <Mez> nalioth: have you /ctcp version'd me of late?
[19:39] <Mez> nalioth: from that - I presume that it'll keep me an away hilight log?
[19:39] <nalioth> i don't version anyone except "people of interest" ( if i think a rogue bot is loose, for instance )
[19:39] <nalioth> Mez: yes, it will
[19:40] <Mez> nalioth: what, does it open a new window or something ?
[19:45] <nalioth> when you /away (cuz you've returned), it shunts all highlighted text to your server window
[19:46] <Mez> ah, cool
[21:05] <Mez> hmm, might be worth keeping an eye on Northsky
[21:48] <ompaul> note - I worked it out,  I have no ubuntu ops except for the loco  I really wish someone here had done it, I found it very frustrating have a nice day
[21:49] <ikonia> ??????????
[22:19] <LjL> snuxoll: i read earlier that z_ was banned but i really don't know the details
[22:20] <LjL> how do you actually know this one is him?
[22:20] <LjL> i think i've seen this northsky nickname before
[22:20] <snuxoll> LjL: because z_ has been sending me unsolicited /q's with links to getafreelancer for the past week
[22:20] <snuxoll> LjL: under various nicks
[22:20] <snuxoll> LjL: comics, z_, and now NorthSky
[22:20] <LjL> getafreelancer that's also something i've seen before
[22:20] <LjL> unless i'm dreaming up the whole of it
[22:21] <LjL> snuxoll, let me grep logs and stuff a little before i ban
[22:21] <snuxoll> LjL: his hostmask and irc client also match that of z_, with a new IP, of course
[22:21] <snuxoll> 15:20:53 *** NorthSky<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:21] <snuxoll> 15:20:53 ***  ircname  : purple
[22:21] <ikonia> same client too
[22:21] <LjL> yeah that host looks interesting too, much be a free shell
[22:21] <snuxoll> mmhmm
[22:22] <LjL> well, not free, but it's a shell
[22:22] <LjL> snuxoll, i suggest not responding
[22:22] <snuxoll> LjL: mmhmm
[22:22]  * snuxoll runs off and checks facebook while LjL sorts this out
[22:23] <ikonia> LjL: for the record pici removed him earlier using a different hostmask, ident etc
[22:23] <LjL> ok, i think i dreamed of seeing northsky before - not in my logs
[22:23] <ikonia> but he was dodging earlier
[22:23] <ikonia> (not sure if your aware)
[22:23] <LjL> ikonia, no i'm not
[22:24] <snuxoll> LjL: I have all sorts of logs from -offtopic and /q's with him if you'd like
[22:24] <snuxoll> ikonia: yeah, he was
[22:24] <LjL> snuxoll: probably not needed
[22:24] <snuxoll> ikonia: Pici took care of him last time, was the one who made the original ban too
[22:24] <ikonia> LjL: BT's updated, pici removed him using the ident "nice" and the same subnet, 2 addresses up from hist last ban
[22:24] <LjL> where is my darn bt window
[22:29] <LjL> sorry for doing the show in -ot instead of here, it is intended though.
[22:29] <snuxoll> of course
[22:30] <ikonia> he knows what he's doing
[22:30] <snuxoll> indeed
[22:30] <ikonia> hence why he dodges the question/comment with another pointless response
[22:30] <LjL> [23:29:55] <NorthSky> LjL: I have changed name due to 'general maturing process of both my body and personality". I guess I can register it right now as a variant og my old nick - I remember passw.
[22:30] <LjL> [23:30:16] <LjL> NorthSky: that's fine, however, please consider yourself still banned from this channel. the ban hasn't been lifted.
[22:30] <LjL> yeah, i ju8st wanted him to admit he was z_
[22:30] <LjL> which he just did so
[22:30] <ikonia> ah
[22:30] <snuxoll> his excuse is ballocks, since he's changed his nick 4 times in the past 2 weeks
[22:31] <LjL> i'm not believing it for a moment
[22:32] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops northsky northsky, comics, z_
[22:33] <snuxoll> hrm, I don't think I've seen @mark before, anyways, I think it's time I /part unless you still want/need me
[22:33] <LjL> snuxoll: it's new, and yes, and thanks
[22:39] <LjL> if i were thinking "indexed full-text search inside compressed logs"... would that be asking for too much?
[22:40] <Pici> bantracker again?
[22:42] <LjL> Pici well, bantracker hardly does any full text searching
[22:42] <LjL> it doesn't even search inside comments (by the way stdin... ;)


[00:04] <sbraz> DrDeke: thanks for the feedback
[00:07] <DrDeke> glad to help
[00:07] <DrDeke> (or at least "help" :))
[00:23] <hloeung> sbraz, linked off the wiki page in topic, there's these scripts - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors/Scripts
[00:24] <hloeung> sbraz, the recommended way is to use rsync and a two-stage sync process like what these scripts use
[00:26] <hloeung> zigo, it needs to be done via Launchpad, register your two mirrors there - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors#Registration. Then follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors/PushMirroring setting up the triggers. Then file an RT for us to include it
[00:28] <sbraz> hloeung: yeah i just wonder if i should use the helper or just write a script based on the examples :)
[00:29] <sbraz> i'm also already using ftpsync to sync a debian mirror so i was wondering if anyone else was using it for ubuntu (a few hits on github but doesn't seem to be the most popular tool)
[00:30] <hloeung> sbraz, heh, it's a wiki page so you're welcome to share your ftpsync script (or file an RT for us to include it in that wiki page)
[10:42] <zigo> hloeung: The setup is already done, I can file the launchpad bug when the push trigger is configured on your side, no?
[10:44] <zigo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirror.infomaniak.ch-archive filed


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