[00:05] <blr> wgrant: have project +setbranch working (sans tests currently), but would also like the branch to include the vcs default on the project info page - working on that now.
[00:20] <blr> wgrant: cjwatson: does "Preferred VCS" work better than "Default VCS", only for user facing UI.
[00:25] <wgrant> blr: "Version control system", I think.
[00:25] <wgrant> Possibly with text near it that says the other repos will still be usable, but only if they exist.
[00:25] <wgrant> lifeless: 99% is almost exactly 1s.
[00:25] <wgrant> Don't know requests per day offhand.
[00:31] <wgrant> blr: It is technically only the preferred VCS, but "technically" arguments don't usually make for good UI :)
[00:31] <lifeless> wgrant: thanks; 1s seems slow :(
[00:32] <lifeless> wgrant: I don't suppose you remember what it was a couple years back
[00:32] <wgrant> lifeless: Much better than it was, but indeed. It's dragged down by bugs at the moment due to the way subscriptions are implemented.
[00:32] <wgrant> lifeless: It was ~1.4 between 2012 and 2013.
[00:33] <wgrant> Only with the new DB servers did it drop substantially below that.
[00:34] <wgrant> s/dragged down/dragged up/
[00:38] <lifeless> I knew what you meant :P
[00:38] <lifeless> made worse
[00:47] <blr> wgrant: yes have a note that you can still have bzr/git repos as well using the formHelp class
[00:48] <blr> lifeless: we're running on SSDs now which presumably have made a difference
[00:55] <blr> not loving this markup, but it will have to do for now.
[02:42] <blr> wgrant: shall I merge the tabbed pull instructions into this branch?
[02:42] <blr> err push
[02:46] <wgrant> blr: That possibly makes sense less on a form that has to show both sets of options anyway.
[04:22] <blr> wgrant: hmm, I've pushed a bzr branch to lp.dev/foo, which appears to have succeeded, however IBranchCollection(self.context).is_empty() is true (where self.context is foo)
[04:23] <blr> do I need to run a branch scan job?
[04:26] <blr> ./cronscripts/process-job-source.py -v IBranchScanJobSource reports "No jobs to run"
[04:49] <blr> added ipdb to source-deps, hope that's okay.
[05:28] <wgrant> blr: Hmm, that's mysterious.
[05:28] <wgrant> Did you get to the bottom of it?
[05:56] <blr> wgrant: no, I think the push must have failed actually, not certain if I have codehosting running correctly, getting "Parent directory of lp://dev/turnip/ does not exist."
[05:57] <wgrant> blr: Oh
[05:57] <blr> when running `bzr push -d devel lp://dev/turnip/` - using make-lp-user with my real lp id
[05:57] <wgrant> blr: Did you follow https://dev.launchpad.net/Code/HowToUseCodehostingLocally?
[05:57] <wgrant> I suspect you're connecting to OpenSSH :)
[05:57] <wgrant> You need a snippet in ~/.ssh/config to force it to port 5022, and possibly to a different hostname depending on exactly how things are set up.
[05:59] <blr> ah 5502, connection refused
[06:04] <blr> wgrant: hmm nmap'ing lpdev 5502 is not open, running with make run_codehosting however
[06:04] <wgrant> blr: 5022
[06:05] <blr> sorry, meant 5022, which is also not open
[06:09] <wgrant> blr: Ah, what's the mtime on /var/tmp/launchpad_forking_service.sock?
[06:12] <blr> wgrant: about 10m ago
[06:12] <wgrant> blr: Odd. From inside the container does <IP_ADDRESS>:5022 appear to be open?
[06:13] <wgrant> Ah yeah, it only listens to that by default, I think.
[06:13] <wgrant> configs/development/launchpad-lazr.conf:port: tcp:5022:interface=<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:13] <blr> no, open: 22, 80, 443, 2121
[06:14] <wgrant> Any processes mentioning 'sftp' in ps?
[06:14] <blr> codehosting port/interface are correct in the config
[06:15] <blr> no sftp
[06:18] <blr> ah it is there in fact
[06:20] <blr> clearly I've done something terrible :)
[06:22] <wgrant> Is it listening on anything?
[06:22] <wgrant> What does netstat -lnp -A inet say?
[06:23] <blr> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:5022         <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      32189/python2.7
[06:24] <blr> I can connect from inside the container
[06:25] <wgrant> Right, it's not visible from the outside by default, I suppose.
[06:25] <wgrant> You can tweak the config I mentioned above to <IP_ADDRESS>, or just push from inside.
[06:48] <blr> excellent thanks wgrant - I'll make a note on the wiki.
[06:48] <wgrant> Sounds good.
[13:04] <cjwatson> wgrant: I have most of the LP side of repository deletion done now, but one remaining bit is dealing with deleting referencing GitRef rows.  I notice that for Branch/BranchRevision we do this by having BranchRevision.branch REFERENCES branch(id) ON DELETE CASCADE DEFERRABLE INITIALLY DEFERRED.  Do you think that makes sense for GitRef.repository too?  I'm assuming the deferrable bits are mainly for performance
[13:05] <cjwatson> The alternative of course would be to clean them up manually in Python
[13:06] <wgrant> cjwatson: I generally prefer it to be explicit, since it's a one-liner.
[13:07] <wgrant> It's arguably sensible to have it cascade at the DB level in this case, though.
[13:07] <cjwatson> I'm happy to implement it either way, just noticed that I couldn't find anything to clean up BR and went looking in the schema.
[13:08] <cjwatson> Doing it in Python saves me another DB patch ;-)
[13:08] <wgrant> Heh
[13:34] <cjwatson> OK, repository deletion basically done, I just shoved in self.refs.remove().  It'll need an FDT first so I won't rush to push it.
[13:34] <cjwatson> Oh, browser code I guess


[00:58] <kasey> i need help badly
[00:58] <kasey> with installing win32
[00:58] <kasey> my bad wine32
[01:36] <tomreyn> kasey: what have you tried so far, what does not seem to be working, which kubuntu version are you on?
[04:40] <user|77> so I logged out from my plasma session (x11) and logged in again on plasma (wayland), i get a notice =
[04:40] <user|77> "
[04:40] <user|77> IBus should be called from the desktop session in Wayland. For KDE, you can launch 'systemsettings5' utility and go to "Input Devices" -> "Virtual Keyboard" section and select "IBus Wayland" icon and click "Apply" button to configure IBus in Wayland. For other desktop sessions, you can copy the 'Exec=' line in
[04:40] <user|77> org.freedesktop.IBus.Panel.Wayland.Gtk3.desktop file to a configuration file of the session. Please refer each document about the "Wayland input method" configuration. Before you configure the "Wayland input method", you should make sure that QT_IM_MODULE and GTK_IM_MODULE environment variables are unset in the desktop session. "
[04:40] <user|77> I managed to find Input Devices" -> "Virtual Keyboard" section and select "IBus Wayland in settings , clicked apply
[04:40] <user|77> then i got
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 E0OJ
 E00J
 E0DJ
 5BBV
 Hello, anyone knows if the Kubuntu Backports PPA will receive Plasma 6 in the next weeks? I would like to try Plasma 6 on kubuntu for testing purposes
[23:20] <mparillo> No, Kubuntu Backports PPA needs to have a Qt version compatible and tested with the larger Ubuntu project, so Plasma 6 will not come to Kubuntu backports in coming weeks. To test on Kubuntu, you would want to compile Qt 6.6 first, then KDE Frameworks, and the Plasma (I think). At that point, it is no longer recognizably Kubuntu.


[00:06] <daftykins> could be fun, i forget if i played the very first
[00:49] <davef> it's been a while since i played
[00:50] <davef> but chaos theory will always be my favourite
[02:55] <davef> tonight i find myself watching an old episode of the crystal maze.. the one hosted by richard o'brien
[04:03] <zxmpi> never could get into that show
[06:57] <daftykins> good mornin'
[06:57] <daftykins> good old baldy :D
[07:06] <zxmpi> i loved the presenter, the puzzles, the format but i always found the guests annoying for some reason
[07:07] <daftykins> haha yeah
[07:48] <zxmpi> still it's not all bad news :-P 'The Conservatives have lost the North Shropshire seat they held for nearly 200 years to the Liberal Democrats in a by-election blow to Boris Johnson.'
[09:11] <jlj> zxmpi: "The party's over" - great line!
[19:26] <davef> Welp, I guess I'll never know if I had delta or the new hotness. Lab lost my sample.
[20:24] <penguin42> great!
[21:50] <diddledani> impressive fail, there, batman!
[21:51] <zxmpi> maybe you have original brand covid. a collectors item nowadays
[21:54] <davef> tbh, I don't care anymore
[21:54] <zxmpi> how are you feeling now?
[21:54] <davef> most of my symptoms are gone
[21:54] <davef> i'm just left with a mild cough
[21:54] <davef> sense of smell came back yesterday
[21:56] <zxmpi> that's good
[21:56] <zxmpi> have seen videos online of long covid sufferers who a year later all food tastes like awful with the possibility it was never gonna come back
[21:56] <diddledani> how do you smell now? bleedin awful?
[21:58] <davef> Showers are amazing


[03:28] <bzoltan> hello folks, would somebody plese restart these flaky unity8 tests -> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1511/yakkety/excuses.htmlhttps://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1511/vivid/excuses.html
[11:33] <arges> sergiusens: ok checking in, sounds like you got it taken care of?
[11:34] <sergiusens> arges yes, thank you for checking!
[11:40] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Are these package removals from the archive something you can assist with?
[11:40] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-netspeed/+bug/1584769
[11:40] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-main-menu/+bug/1584767
[11:40] <cjwatson> flexiondotorg: neck-deep in postgresql right now, sorry
[11:41] <flexiondotorg> OK


[00:15] <axw> stokachu hallyn: yep I agree, it's horrible (predates my involvement), but I couldn't see a way around it. the OVA is fetched locally, split into OVF & VMDK, then uploaded to vsphere. AFAICT there's no way to get vsphere to do that for you
[00:17] <stokachu> axw: interesting
[00:18] <stokachu> axw: and it happens prior to bootstrap so we couldnt cache it anyway
[00:18] <axw> stokachu: right. one thing we *can* do, which I replied to an email about the other day, is reuse the OVF/VMDK cached in the datastore after bootstrapping
[00:19] <axw> to avoid having hte controller download the OVA for each new machine
[00:19] <axw> that bit's doable, but doesn't affect UX nearly as much
[00:19] <stokachu> axw: ah ok
[01:20] <stormmore> I wonder if I can get k8s to run on top of openstack on lxd
[07:53] <Ting_> Does some have use juju on aws with federated user (short-live uesr) ?
[10:34] <D4RKS1D3> Hi someone knows why when I add a unit in a machine that the state is ready, this machine waste around 200 seconds to running up?
[10:34] <D4RKS1D3> If I execute more machines the time waiting between ready and deploying usually is more than 35 minutes
[10:40] <magicaltrout> internet bandwidth?
[10:40] <D4RKS1D3> magicaltrout, this answer is for me?
[10:43] <magicaltrout> well, its a guess for you
[10:43] <magicaltrout> i dunno, but of course when you spin up new nodes, they all download a bunch of stuff. juju, updates etc
[11:19] <D4RKS1D3> But I am not talking about preparing the node... I am talking about turn on the node
[13:44] <orf> hey, is there any way to use the JuJu VSphere provider with a specificed Resource Pool?
[13:44] <orf> we have a namespaced system and need to create everything within a 'Development' resource pool
[13:44] <orf> I had a browse of the source, and it seems to be able to: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/d28f92df4051a02602347b73335467a29f5e7327/provider/vsphere/internal/vsphereclient/createvm.go#L139
[13:44] <orf> there just is no documentation as to how to configure that
[14:47] <hallyn> the docs are in createvm.go...  around line 140 iirc
[14:47] <hallyn> j/k
[14:47] <hallyn> yeah i'm hoping the vsphere controller gets some love
[15:24] <orf> I gave up hallyn
[15:24] <orf> Cant work out how to define `ComputeResource.ResourcePool`
[15:29] <hallyn> :(
[17:42] <stormmore> o/


[05:04]  * Kilos greets ubuntu-za
[06:13] <Kilos> hi Tonberry acherv
[06:13] <acherv> hi Kilos
[06:33] <tonberryE352> o hi Kilos
[06:43] <Kilos> hi superfly
[06:48] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:55] <Kilos> brb
[06:58] <Kilos> nuvolari, dont forget tonights meeting Mr. Chair
[07:35] <Kilos> hi not_found-droid
[08:25] <Kilos> superfly, which virtual drive maker thingie will be best and easiest for me?
[08:25] <Kilos> you know how i sukkel
[08:25] <Kilos> hi jr
[08:26] <Kilos> ai
[08:29] <not_found-droid> Kilos: silly app crashed
[08:29] <Kilos> eish
[08:29] <Kilos> them fones
[08:30] <not_found-droid> We have a party tonight so no meeting for me...
[08:30] <not_found-droid> Yup
[08:30] <Kilos> boys and their toys
[08:30] <Kilos> ok , you cant login and give excuses
[08:30] <Kilos> think we gonna be min
[08:30] <not_found-droid> Will try
[08:31] <Kilos> save the rum for later
[08:31] <Kilos> ty
[08:31] <not_found-droid> :-)
[08:31] <Kilos> i thought they shoot you if you drink in ahab land
[08:35] <not_found-droid> Be quick or be dead
[08:35] <Kilos> lol
[08:55] <not_found-droid> This should look better now.
[09:02] <Kilos> what
[09:02] <Kilos> hi morgs
[09:02] <morgs> hiya
[09:44] <WOLFEYES> Good day everyone.
[09:48] <kilos> hi WOLFEYES
[09:49] <kilos> you come to see how to fix
[09:51] <kilos> i need some help please guys. wanted to install tinycore on virtualbox and before i could install it captured my mouse so i pulled the plug and now cant boot past password
[09:51] <kilos> so in here as a guest now
[09:52] <kilos> after entering password it goes straight back to the password screen
[10:11] <WOLFEYES> heya kilos
[10:12] <WOLFEYES> no I just come to greet
[10:12] <kilos> go look here anyway
[10:12] <kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/189515/my-account-cant-start-gui-but-guest-account-can
[10:12] <WOLFEYES> busy reading the link you gave me before this
[10:12] <kilos> save to stick and take home with you
[10:13] <kilos> this one might be a better bet
[10:13] <kilos> i think i did it once before, login as guest with my credentials and it worked
[10:17] <kilos> so weird we end up with same prob hey/ you bewitched me
[10:17] <WOLFEYES> lol
[10:18] <WOLFEYES> Or maybe someone is looking after me by giving you the problem to solve lol
[10:21] <kilos> aw thats not fair
[10:22] <WOLFEYES> Why, you got the time lol
[10:22] <kilos> hehe
[10:23] <kilos> i move modem to other pc
[10:23] <kilos> brb
[10:26] <kilos-> hmm
[10:33] <kilos-> sigh
[10:36] <WOLFEYES> Why you Hmming?
[10:37] <kilos-> battling to get in as a guest and be me
[10:41] <kilos-> aw need to take modem back
[10:47] <Kilos> WOLFEYES, ping
[10:48] <Kilos> the second link is the one to use
[10:48] <Kilos> im back again
[10:48] <WOLFEYES> Ok
[10:49] <Kilos> but we need to ask a kde user if you can install gdm on kubuntu
[10:49] <Kilos> you will need internet though
[10:52] <tonberryE352> why gdm?
[10:52] <Kilos> Tonberry, its a bug in the lightdm thingie i think
[10:52] <Kilos> cant get past password screen
[10:53] <Kilos> install gdm and it works again
[10:53] <tonberryE352> sounds more like corrupt kde settings
[10:54] <tonberryE352> can you log in on a tty?
[10:54] <tonberryE352> ctrl-alt-f1
[10:54] <tonberryE352> ctrl-alt-f7 or 8 is usually the graphical session if you want to get back
[10:55] <tonberryE352> i think gdm will start kde
[10:55] <tonberryE352> kdm will as well if its still included
[10:56] <Kilos> i dunno if kubuntu installs the lightdm thingie in place of kdm
[10:57] <tonberryE352> i seem to still be on kdm
[10:57] <Kilos> then it might be affecting kdm by ian but it hit my lightdm here
[10:58] <Kilos> did the ctrl+alt+F1 to get to that serious terminal and installed gdm and then disabled lightdm and now it be fixed
[10:59] <tonberryE352> strange
[10:59] <tonberryE352> but as long as it work
[10:59] <Kilos> it has happened to others
[10:59] <Kilos> i found a link
[11:00] <tonberryE352> i think it once happened to me when some update decided to remove kubuntu-desktop
[11:03] <Kilos> here is the link
[11:03] <Kilos> 12.04 stuck on login screen
[11:03] <Kilos> eish
[11:03] <Kilos> sorry
[11:03] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/130387/stuck-at-login-screen
[11:04] <Kilos> oh you use kubuntu tonberryE352
[11:04] <tonberryE352> yes
[11:05] <Kilos> well i hope installing gdm on kubuntu fixes ians prob too
[11:07] <Kilos> but weird he had the prob last night and i get it today on a different version
[11:07] <Kilos> flavour
[12:19] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[12:20] <Kilos> hehe timekeeper probs inetpro
[12:20] <inetpro> Kilos: BTW, I won't be at tonights meeting, something else that needs to take priority
[12:20] <Kilos> eish thats 2 inna row
[12:20] <inetpro> sorry
[12:21] <Kilos> you forgiven
[12:21] <inetpro> I try to be back next time
[12:21] <Kilos> hows the chillens
[12:21] <inetpro> kiddies are doing fine thanks
[12:21] <Kilos> yay
[12:22] <inetpro> just a bit of coughing that has started, hoping that it will be over soon
[12:22] <inetpro> and hoping that the rash will just stay away
[12:22] <Kilos> yeah
[12:23] <inetpro> thanks for the concern
[12:25] <Kilos> np one must be concerned about friends families
[12:50] <Kilos> is a cable connection tween 2 pc's also classed as a tunnel
[12:50] <Kilos> me read some secure tunnel stuff but dunno what it all means
[12:50] <Kilos> gstm in repos
[13:55] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[13:55] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[13:55] <Kilos> hi Trix[a]r_za
[13:57] <magespawn> who is going to chair tonight?
[13:57] <Kilos> nuvolari, said he was gonna at the last meet but i havent heard from him
[13:58] <magespawn> did you remind him?
[13:59] <Kilos> last night i think
[13:59] <magespawn> is there a wiki or such on how to chair?
[13:59] <Kilos> forget now
[13:59] <Kilos> sjoe ask inetpro
[13:59] <magespawn> nuvolari are you still going to chair tonight?
[14:00] <Kilos> you got a bot man its part of the goodies inside
[14:00] <Kilos> chairmeeting or something
[14:00] <Kilos> where is gc
[14:00] <magespawn> inetpro is there a wiki/how to/man page for chairing a irc meeting?
[14:00] <Kilos> whats with the apartheaid
[14:01] <magespawn> have not reinstalled her yet
[14:01] <magespawn> apartheid?
[14:02] <Kilos> inet said there was something you had to add in the conf or data base or something
[14:02] <Kilos> ya qp lonely
[14:06] <Kilos> her greeter stopped greeting for some reason
[14:06] <Kilos> stupid bot
[14:09] <Kilos> superfly, if nuvolari doesnt make it will you chair for us ?
[14:09] <superfly> Kilos: I don't know... I am very busy these days
[14:09] <Kilos> its using the bot as well
[14:09] <Kilos> only you and pro got rights
[14:10] <Kilos> or grant permissions to magespawn or so
[14:10] <Kilos> i forget what its called
[14:13] <magespawn> i don't mind, but if there is a summury of the commands to use i would appreciate that before hand
[14:13] <Kilos> tumbleweed, can you help with commands for maaz in chairmeet please
[14:15] <tumbleweed> Kilos: what do you need help with?
[14:15] <Kilos> what commands to use when having a meeting. in case nuvolari  doesnt pitch tonight tumbleweed
[14:15] <Kilos> or you can chair for us too
[14:16] <tumbleweed> Maaz: help meetings
[14:16] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:
[14:16] <Maaz>   (start | end) meeting [about <title>]
[14:16] <Maaz>   I am <True Name>
[14:16] <Maaz>   topic <topic>
[14:16] <Maaz>   (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[14:16] <Maaz>   minutes so far
[14:16] <Maaz>   meeting title is <title>
[14:16] <tumbleweed> Kilos: ^ that's about all there is to it
[14:16] <Kilos> Maaz, announce monthly meeting tonight guys at 1930 hrs
[14:16] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! monthly meeting tonight guys at 1930 hrs
[14:16] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed
[14:17] <Kilos> magespawn, you looking?
[14:23] <Kilos> going maverick
[14:34] <Kilos> magespawn, just mail nuvolari , i got a password prob with gmail
[14:34] <magespawn> okay will do.
[14:34] <magespawn> i have copied those commands
[14:35] <Kilos> good then it is still permission or somethiong to get in case nuvolari  not here
[14:36] <magespawn> we will need somebody who has maaz permissions
[14:36] <Kilos> inetpro, and superfly
[14:38] <Kilos> otherwise he says Im not your bitch
[14:41] <magespawn> lol
[14:41] <magespawn> going to see if i can mail nuvolari
[14:42] <Kilos> im getting there
[14:42] <Kilos> stand by
[14:43] <Kilos> yip mail went magespawn
[14:44] <magespawn> okay i was going to do it, no worries then
[14:44] <Kilos> i gotta figure how to get an evolution backup to work to this firefox thing
[14:45] <Kilos> thunderbird
[14:51] <Kilos> i go back to 12.04
[15:22]  * WOLFEYES waves
[15:22] <WOLFEYES> cheers all
[15:22] <Kilos> toods wolf
[15:22] <Kilos> grrr
[15:23] <Squirm> I think I'm going to switch to Gnome 13
[15:24] <Kilos> hehe
[15:24] <Squirm> I'm just highly annoyed
[15:24] <Kilos> Squirm, install mate man it so like gnome2
[15:24] <Squirm> it's gnome 13 MATE
[15:24] <Kilos> very easy to use
[15:25] <Kilos> no fork of gnome 2
[15:25] <Squirm> I don't really mind the usability
[15:25] <Squirm> I just don't like Gnome 3/Unity
[15:25] <Squirm> so am going to install MATE
[15:25] <Kilos> Maaz, google mate for 12.04
[15:25] <Maaz> Kilos: "Ubuntu 12.04 – How to Install the MATE Desktop | Complete ..." http://complete-concrete-concise.com/ubuntu-2/ubuntu-12-04/ubuntu-12-04-how-to-install-the-mate-desktop :: "How to Install MATE Desktop in Ubuntu 12.04/Ubuntu 11.10 ..." http://ubuntuportal.com/2012/04/how-to-install-mate-desktop-in-ubuntu-12-04ubuntu-11-10.html :: "How to install MATE desktop environment in ubuntu 12.04(precise ..." http://www.linuxtoday.com/upload/ho
[15:26] <Kilos> it works kiff and they help on #mate
[15:33] <Kilos> Squirm, at least i held out for 2 months with unity
[15:47] <Squirm> bbl, food
[15:48] <Kilos> enjoy
[15:48] <Kilos> magespawn, i dunno if nuvo got my mail
[15:49] <Kilos> Banlam, bakuman you gonna be here tonight
[15:49] <Kilos> not many peeps seem interested so far
[15:49] <Tonberry> im busy this evening
[15:50] <Tonberry> so can't make it
[15:50] <Kilos> beer night Tonberry
[15:50] <Kilos> hehe
[15:50] <Tonberry> nope
[15:50] <Kilos> ah
[15:51] <Kilos> oh well next time ill warn you earlier ok?
[15:51] <Tonberry> wont help
[15:51] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[15:51] <Kilos> hehe
[15:51] <Kilos> sounds serious
[15:51] <Cantide> evening Kilos :)
[15:52] <Tonberry> if I want to stay in this house I need to sacrifice most monday evenings
[15:52] <Kilos> eish
[15:55] <Banlam> kilos, not sure. may be
[15:59] <Kilos> Tonberry, what do they do monday nights
[15:59] <Tonberry> meeting and or speaker
[15:59] <Tonberry> both tonight
[15:59] <Kilos> whew
[15:59] <Banlam> shucks, you guys are more active than we were
[15:59] <Tonberry> yeah
[16:00] <Tonberry> new management
[16:00] <Banlam> lulz
[16:00] <Banlam> who's talking this evening?
[16:00] <Banlam> you guys should just go to the medialab mondays every week instead :P
[16:00] <Banlam> or whenever they have oen
[16:05] <Kilos> message from nuvolari
[16:05] <Kilos> oom, ek sal moet sien of ek dit gaan maak want ons het nie krag hier nie.
[16:05] <Kilos> Ek sal my bes probeer,  'n bietjie battery spaar
[16:05] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:06] <Kilos> tough in africa
[16:20] <superfly> Kilos: I forgot, it's date night tonight
[16:20] <Kilos> oh my
[16:20] <Kilos> superfly, can you give magespawn permissions on maaz?
[16:20] <Kilos> please
[16:21] <Kilos> or maybe we must postpone
[16:21] <superfly> OK, I'll do that
[16:21] <Kilos> will check how many peeps rock up
[16:21] <Kilos> ty
[16:22] <superfly> Kilos: it sounded to me like kbmonkey would b here tonight
[16:23] <Kilos> oh yeah
[16:23] <Kilos> yay
[16:24] <Kilos> that can help too
[16:24] <Kilos> didnt he need to get permissions every time too?
[16:26] <Kilos> and no maia either
[16:26]  * Kilos cries
[16:36] <superfly> Maaz: grant chairmeeting to magespawn
[16:36] <Maaz> superfly: I don't know who magespawn is
[16:36] <superfly> I think magespawn needs to auth with Maaz first
[16:37] <Kilos> magespawn, ping
[16:39] <magespawn> hey
[16:39] <Kilos> auth with maaz
[16:39] <magespawn> how?
[16:39] <Kilos> auth magespawn  or auth password
[16:40] <Kilos> im not sure
[16:40] <magespawn> Maaz auth magespawn
[16:40] <Maaz> magespawn: Authentication failed
[16:40] <magespawn> Maaz auth magespawn tsessebe
[16:40] <Maaz> magespawn: Authentication failed
[16:40] <Kilos> eish
[16:41] <superfly> magespawn: see my private message
[16:41]  * superfly doesn't have much time
[16:46] <magespawn> brb
[16:49] <Squirm> and here I go
[16:50] <Kilos> yo nuvimob
[16:50]  * superfly has to go
[16:50] <superfly> bye
[16:50] <nuvimob> hi guys, and ladies
[16:50] <Kilos> toods superfly ty
[16:50] <magespawn> cheers superfly
[16:50] <Kilos> enjoy
[16:51] <nuvimob> having lectricity blues :(
[16:51] <Kilos> not lekker hey?
[16:51] <nuvimob> Hoe laat is die meeting oom kilos?
[16:51] <Kilos> 1930
[16:52] <Kilos> 40 mins
[16:52] <nuvimob> nope,  and tomorrow there's no water
[16:52] <Kilos> ai
[16:52] <nuvimob> freaking terrible
[16:56] <Squirm> Mint 13 looks quite nice
[16:56] <Kilos> you got 13 on the brain
[16:57] <Kilos> didnt you install mate?
[16:57] <magespawn> Kilos I wonder if there is a way to have Maaz announce the meeting at timed intervals
[16:57] <Kilos> lol
[16:58] <Squirm> going to install Mint 13 MATE
[16:58] <nuvimob> maar help with at
[16:58] <Kilos> oh not mate on 12.04
[16:58] <Squirm> no
[16:58] <nuvimob> maaz help with at
[16:58] <Maaz> nuvimob: Please be more specific, I don't know if you mean administrative functions (admin), calculations (calcul) or system administration (sysadmin).
[16:59] <magespawn> There is nothing on the agenda for the meeting guys
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:02] <Squirm> interesting
[17:02] <Squirm> I have a windows partition, Mint asked me if I wanted to import any settings from it
[17:02] <Squirm> Mozilla, documents, etc
[17:03] <magespawn> thats pretty cool aids on the transfer
[17:03] <magespawn> on=in
[17:03] <Squirm> yeah, thought it was a nice feature
[17:04] <Squirm> never really looked at it though, just glanced cause I never needed it
[17:05] <magespawn> wonder how it does that
[17:05] <magespawn> i suppose it works with default install location
[17:05] <Squirm> it picked up I had a windows partition already
[17:06] <Squirm> /dev/sda1 is where I'm installing it, I think /dev/sda3 is windows
[17:07] <Squirm> that was quick. Mint installed
[17:14] <magespawn> cool
[17:16] <magespawn> nuvimob: are you going to chair the meeting?
[17:19] <Kilos> oh well im not late
[17:20] <magespawn> not yet Kilos youcan go away and try again if yo want
[17:20] <magespawn> yo=you
[17:20] <Kilos> lol
[17:20] <Kilos> cheeky
[17:22] <nuvimob> hrr,  is someone available to chair? besides me? Or can we maybe postpone?
[17:22] <magespawn> had a fairly charged day, started with me the wife and fish 2 getting stuck in the bedroom
[17:23] <magespawn> superfly gave me chair permisson too, but there is nothing on the agenda so it would be short meeting i guess
[17:23] <nuvimob> I don't want to go back to the dark ages :(
[17:23] <magespawn> lol
[17:24] <magespawn> solar power and batteries
[17:24] <nuvimob> should really consider that
[17:24] <nuvimob> or go to the office :P
[17:24] <magespawn> if you have a decent ups then that works well too
[17:26] <queery> hi guys
[17:26] <queery> forgot about the meeting
[17:26] <magespawn> if you go to the office you can score points for over time
[17:26] <queery> in spur
[17:26] <nuvimob> well, last time it kept the office running for a day and a bit,  with the bare minimum of devices running and no luxury of dual screens
[17:26] <magespawn> hi queery
[17:26] <mazal> Evening all
[17:26] <Kilos> hi queery
[17:26] <Kilos> hi mazal
[17:26] <magespawn> has not started yet and there is no agenda yet
[17:26] <nuvimob> magespawn, we don't get overtime
[17:27] <magespawn> hi mazal
[17:27] <magespawn> then browny points with the boss, unless you are the boss
[17:27] <Kilos> hehe
[17:27] <queery> there is a link in the topic
[17:27] <magespawn> mm on the agenda page there are no points
[17:27] <queery> ok can we make the first topic then release party please
[17:29] <magespawn> sure, can you add it to the agenda page? i seem to have lost/forgotten my launchpad sign on
[17:30] <queery> haha
[17:30] <queery> ok
[17:30] <magespawn> have a book but that is not here
[17:30] <Kilos> nuvimob, open now
[17:31] <queery> done
[17:31] <Kilos> oh my
[17:31] <queery> uhm.....
[17:32] <magespawn> well give him till 19:35
[17:32] <Kilos> ok
[17:32] <queery> ok who else know how to run the meeting?
[17:32] <Kilos> maybe fone battery flat too
[17:35] <Kilos> go magespawn he can take over or help out when/if he gets back
[17:35] <magespawn> I can queery
[17:35] <magespawn> start meeting Ubuntu-za Monthly Meeting
[17:35] <magespawn> Maaz start meeting Ubuntu-za Monthly Meeting
[17:35] <Maaz> magespawn: Sorry...
[17:35] <Kilos> you gotta put maaz in
[17:35] <Kilos> hehe
[17:36] <magespawn> and how to do that?
[17:36] <magespawn> so maybe i can't
[17:36] <Kilos> try just start meeting
[17:36] <magespawn> start meeting
[17:36] <Kilos> no man
[17:36] <mazal> lol
[17:36] <Kilos>  first maaz
[17:36] <magespawn> Maaz start meeting
[17:36]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:36] <queery> Maaz: i am Dewald
[17:36] <Maaz> queery: Yessir
[17:36] <Kilos> Maaz, welcome
[17:36] <Maaz> Welcome to tonights meeting everyone
[17:37] <Kerbero> Maaz: i am jp meijers
[17:37] <Maaz> Kerbero: Yessir
[17:37] <mazal> Maaz I am Wikus van Dyk
[17:37] <Maaz> mazal: Righto
[17:37] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[17:37] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[17:37] <Maaz> magespawn: Done
[17:37] <magespawn> meeting titile is Monthly Meeting
[17:37] <Kilos> Banlam, bakuman ?
[17:37] <magespawn> meeting title is Monthly Meeting
[17:37] <magespawn> Maaz meeting title is Monthly Meeting
[17:37] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[17:38] <magespawn> right into the first topic
[17:38] <magespawn> Maaz topic Release Parties
[17:38] <Maaz> Current Topic: Release Parties
[17:39] <queery> right, the next release is on 18 Sep
[17:39] <queery> if I remember correctly
[17:39] <Kilos> i see nico michael is organizing the pta one
[17:39] <queery> I have not been able to get hold of him
[17:40] <Kilos> i suggest we try get him to come on here and arrange things from irc as well as the lists
[17:40] <Kilos> he is always on email
[17:41] <magespawn> maybe we can put a list up on the wiki with the organisers details etc?
[17:41] <queery> That is where I tried him, twice
[17:41] <Kilos> we need a diplomat to convince him to use irc
[17:41] <queery> what is his nick
[17:41] <Kilos> dont know if he has ever been here
[17:42] <Kilos> email addy is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:42] <queery> for those that want to use a repo on a external hdd here is how (via tumbleweed's blog): http://tumbleweed.org.za/2010/10/09/release-party-ubuntu-mirror
[17:42] <magespawn> try sending a direct mail
[17:42] <queery> jip thats where i emailed
[17:42] <queery> I sent twice
[17:43] <Kilos> kbmonkey, welcome
[17:43] <magespawn> hey kbmonkey
[17:43] <mazal> Evening kbmonkey
[17:44] <Kilos> queery, are you organising a party there?
[17:45] <Kilos> eish one of those nights
[17:45] <queery> ill join nico
[17:45] <magespawn> yup look like it
[17:45] <queery> jhb is dead ito ubuntu
[17:45] <Kilos> thats why they join with the few pta peeps available
[17:45] <queery> proof from ubuntu hours
[17:46] <magespawn> queery maybe get all the release info you can and put it on the wiki?
[17:46] <queery> sure
[17:46] <kbmonkey> hello
[17:46] <magespawn> idea queery to gather release party info for the wiki
[17:46] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[17:46] <magespawn> sorry
[17:46] <magespawn> Maaz idea queery to gather release party info for the wiki
[17:46] <Maaz> Idea recorded: queery to gather release party info for the wiki
[17:46] <queery> so far its in Pta at house4hack on 13 oct
[17:47] <magespawn> is that cool queery?
[17:47] <magespawn> kbmonkey please identify
[17:47] <queery> jip
[17:47] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[17:47] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Yessir
[17:47] <kbmonkey> please excuse my lag
[17:47] <Kilos> np
[17:47] <Kilos> you here thats the main thing
[17:48] <magespawn> Maaz accepted queery to gather release parth info for the wiki
[17:48] <Maaz> Accepted: queery to gather release parth info for the wiki
[17:48] <Kilos> poor nuvolari has no power
[17:48] <queery> part?
[17:48] <magespawn> Maaz accepted queery to gather release party info for the wiki
[17:48] <Maaz> Accepted: queery to gather release party info for the wiki
[17:48] <queery> hehe
[17:48] <magespawn> need to check typing before hitting enter
[17:49] <queery> anyone else planning something
[17:49] <Kilos> all the cape peeps are boycotting us tonight
[17:49] <queery> Kerbero?
[17:49] <Kerbero> jip
[17:49] <Kerbero> nope
[17:49] <queery> use Die Bloukamer
[17:50] <queery> you have set up there before
[17:50] <Kerbero> bestaan die bloukamer nog?
[17:51] <Kerbero> i think we should convince maia to have a braai again
[17:51] <queery> ja but only for private parties, so book it at centrum management
[17:51] <Kilos> yeah maia been very quiet
[17:51] <queery> she is in jhb
[17:51] <magespawn> Kerbero please id for the meeting
[17:51] <queery> she has a exhibition this week
[17:51] <queery> he did
[17:52] <Kerbero> i did
[17:52] <Kilos> yip he did magespawn
[17:52] <Kilos> you need alarge screen
[17:52] <Kilos> or glasses
[17:53] <Kerbero> or coffee
[17:53] <Kilos> hehe
[17:53] <Kilos> Cantide, you not joining us??
[17:53] <magespawn> lol
[17:53] <queery> ok so will Kerbero org something?
[17:53] <magespawn> MORE coffee
[17:53] <Cantide> >_>
[17:53] <Kerbero> no i won't
[17:53] <Cantide> wait.. what's happening?
[17:54] <magespawn> Cantide monthly meeting
[17:54] <Cantide> where?
[17:54] <Kilos> Cantide, monthly meeting
[17:54] <queery> kom nou
[17:54] <Cantide> Sorry, I wasn't following the chat
[17:54] <Kilos> here dodo
[17:54] <magespawn> Kerbero will you talk to maiatoday?
[17:54] <Cantide> ohh, haha
[17:54] <Kerbero> when i see her i'll ask her
[17:54] <kbmonkey> what is the current topic?
[17:55] <magespawn> release parties
[17:55] <Kilos> release parties
[17:55] <queery> tumbleweed:  any chance you are org something
[17:55] <Kerbero> but i don't have time to organise anything myself
[17:55] <magespawn> the only topic
[17:55] <magespawn> Maaz idea Kerbero to talk to maiatoday about organising a release party
[17:55] <Maaz> Idea recorded: Kerbero to talk to maiatoday about organising a release party
[17:55] <queery> then get Tonberry to help
[17:55] <Kilos> magespawn, you can try push nuvolari and william to do one in durbs
[17:56] <queery> do it
[17:56] <magespawn> is thay okay Kerbero?
[17:56] <queery> oom kilos you can also help
[17:56] <magespawn> idea magespawn to talk to nuvolari and william about a release party
[17:56] <Kilos> i will supply online help
[17:57] <magespawn> Maaz idea magespawn to talk to nuvolari and william about a release party
[17:57] <Maaz> Idea recorded: magespawn to talk to nuvolari and william about a release party
[17:57] <Kilos> i will mail the list and see if someone bites
[17:57] <queery> cool
[17:57] <magespawn> Maaz agreed magespawn to talk to nuvolari and william about a release party
[17:57] <Maaz> Agreed: magespawn to talk to nuvolari and william about a release party
[17:57] <magespawn> queery if i can get details i will send them to you
[17:58] <queery> ok
[17:58] <tumbleweed> queery: I haven't planned anything b,ut we should totally do something
[17:58] <magespawn> i'll try to get kbmonkey there as well
[17:59] <Kilos> good idea
[17:59] <queery> ok will you lease with Kerbero and Tonberry, tumbleweed
[17:59] <Banlam> maars i am gareth cawood
[18:00] <queery> jys op die verkeerde planeet Banlam
[18:00] <Banlam> maaz i am gareth cawood
[18:00] <Maaz> Banlam: Sure
[18:00] <Banlam> did i miss it by that much?
[18:00] <Kilos> hehe
[18:00] <magespawn> Banlam welcom current topic release parties
[18:00] <Banlam> ok
[18:00] <Kilos> kbmonkey, wb
[18:00] <queery> Banlam: you can also help Kerbero
[18:00] <kbmonkey> thanks Kilos
[18:00] <Kerbero> lol he can't
[18:00] <Banlam> queery, i can?
[18:01] <queery> yes
[18:01] <Banlam> with what specifically?
[18:01] <Kerbero> queery: Banlam is in germany atm
[18:01] <Kerbero> Banlam: release party
[18:01] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you and nuvolari  and william are gonna do a party in durbs area
[18:01] <Banlam> :)
[18:01] <queery> oh
[18:01] <magespawn> lol
[18:01] <queery> oops
[18:01] <magespawn> cpt release party
[18:01] <queery> moral support?
[18:01] <Banlam> cool :)
[18:02] <Banlam> Kerbero, Kerbero he's our man, if he can't do it no one can!
[18:02]  * Banlam waves some pom poms
[18:02] <Kilos> hehe
[18:02] <Kerbero> kinky
[18:02] <magespawn> Kerbero said he would talk to maiatoday about a braai that she could orgainse
[18:02] <queery> any bloem parties
[18:02] <magespawn> if she can
[18:03] <Kilos> who is in bloem
[18:03] <queery> 2 people, but I don't know who they are
[18:03] <magespawn> queery perhaps you can put out a general question on the list?
[18:03] <Kilos> maiawill know who gets the cds there
[18:04] <Kilos> she has a list
[18:04] <Kilos> or getubuntu methinks
[18:04] <queery> im seeing her tomorrow, will get detaild
[18:04] <magespawn> we need to ask her
[18:04] <queery> *details
[18:04] <magespawn> ask about the disks at the same time
[18:04] <Kilos> Maaz, get ubuntu
[18:04] <Maaz> Kilos: 301 Moved Permanently to http://www.ubuntu.com/, which gets a 200 OK "Home | Ubuntu"
[18:05] <Kilos> i dunno if maia has put them in there as the cd guys
[18:05] <queery> ill ask tomorrow
[18:05] <magespawn> idea queery to ask maiatoday about details for various contacts
[18:05] <magespawn> Maaz idea queery to ask maiatoday about details for various contacts
[18:05] <Maaz> Idea recorded: queery to ask maiatoday about details for various contacts
[18:06] <queery> Maaz: accept
[18:06] <Maaz> queery: Huh?
[18:06] <queery> nvm
[18:06] <Banlam> has SFD been discussed/on the menu?
[18:06] <queery> not yet
[18:06] <Banlam> kk
[18:06] <queery> we can change the topic
[18:07] <magespawn> Maaz accepted queery to ask maiatoday about details for various contacts
[18:07] <Maaz> Accepted: queery to ask maiatoday about details for various contacts
[18:07] <magespawn> Maaz accepted queery to ask maiatoday about details for various contacts
[18:07] <Maaz> Accepted: queery to ask maiatoday about details for various contacts
[18:07] <magespawn> sorry went all laggy
[18:08] <queery> toppic added
[18:08] <magespawn> new topic anyone? that was the only one on the agenda
[18:08] <queery> twice by accident
[18:08] <Banlam> i saw some stuff on twitter about a SFD thign up in gauteng
[18:08] <Banlam> wouldn't mind hearing if there is any feedback?
[18:09] <magespawn> Maaz topic SFD
[18:09] <Maaz> Current Topic: SFD
[18:09] <Cantide> 12.10 is being released on my birthday :) :) :)
[18:09] <queery> I havent been checking
[18:09] <mazal> What's SFD ?
[18:09] <Kerbero> software freedom day
[18:10] <Banlam> that
[18:10] <magespawn> i think you might need to get hold of the peeps who went to one Banlam
[18:10] <Kerbero> magespawn: define sfd
[18:10] <Kerbero> Maaz: define sfd
[18:10] <Maaz> Kerbero: SFD Simple Formattable Document (CCITT, MHS, X.420) , SFD Start Frame Delimiter (ethernet) , SFD Symbolic File Directory
[18:10] <Kerbero> lol
[18:10] <Kerbero> wrong one
[18:10] <Kilos> hehe
[18:10] <Banlam> magespawn, ok. i just remember there being qutie a well planned 'big' event up in gauteng
[18:10] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos we will be keen to have a dbn release party XD
[18:10] <Banlam> assumed someone here would've been involved
[18:10] <magespawn> Okay Software Freedom Day
[18:10] <queery> Maaz: search software freedom day
[18:10] <Maaz> queery: sfd <reply>Software Freedom Day (SFD) [1]
[18:11] <queery> Maaz: google software freedom day
[18:11] <Maaz> queery: "Software Freedom Day - SFD Home" http://softwarefreedomday.org/ :: "About SFD - Software Freedom Day" http://softwarefreedomday.org/en/sfd :: "Software Freedom Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Freedom_Day :: "Software Freedom Day 2012 "Open Education", Wednesday ..." http://www.softwarefreedomday.eu/ :: "Home - Software Freedom Day" http://softwarefreedomday.org.nz/ :: "Software Freedom
[18:11] <Kilos> karl fischer is normally involved
[18:11] <Kerbero> Maaz: what is software freedom day
[18:11] <Maaz> Kerbero: Erk, dunno
[18:11] <Kilos> floss.pro
[18:12] <magespawn> i think he was, there was some posts on g+, and some with nuvolari
[18:12] <Banlam> http://sfshd.eventbrite.com/
[18:12] <kbmonkey> apologies, I'm not receiving any messages...
[18:12] <Kilos> Maaz, SFD
[18:12] <Maaz> Software freedom day
[18:13] <magespawn> Banlam I am not sure where they did it, but it might ahve been at WITS
[18:13] <Squirm> they did
[18:13] <Squirm> at Wits
[18:13] <Squirm> there was a mybb post on it
[18:13] <kbmonkey> we had a fun SFD meeting in Durbs with the DLUG folks
[18:14] <queery> Squirm: please identify
[18:14] <queery> please post those on the blog for the report
[18:14] <Kilos> hes all minty tonight
[18:15] <queery> if you have any pics please add
[18:15] <Squirm> Maaz: I am Sinjin Swanepoel
[18:15] <Maaz> Squirm: Okay
[18:15] <queery> thanx you Squirm
[18:15] <Squirm> queery: I never went
[18:15] <queery> kbmonkey: do you have pics or info?
[18:16] <magespawn> kbmonkey was there any form of a report back on that?
[18:16] <Squirm> queery: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/59679-software-freedom-day-event-in-sa.html
[18:16] <Squirm> not that I've seen on mybb
[18:17] <queery> ok
[18:17] <mazal> gtg
[18:17] <mazal> Have a good evening all
[18:17] <queery> that staff writer might be hawkiesza's brother
[18:17] <Kilos> toods mazal ty
[18:18] <queery> ok anything further?
[18:18] <queery> spur is kicking us out
[18:18] <Kilos> eish
[18:19] <Kilos> by another steak
[18:19] <Kilos> buy
[18:19] <queery> its burger special
[18:19] <Kilos> ok a burger then
[18:19] <queery> already have 2 extra
[18:19] <Kilos> lol
[18:19] <Kilos> mail one here
[18:20] <queery> lol
[18:20] <Kilos> magespawn, ten mins
[18:20] <queery> any ubuntu hours?
[18:21] <Kilos> well have to hear from superfly and sflr about that
[18:21] <Kilos> they are organising one soon
[18:21] <queery> ok awesome
[18:21] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[18:21] <Kilos> np
[18:21] <queery> where?
[18:21] <Kilos> cape
[18:22] <magespawn> any else guys?
[18:22] <Kilos> forget the place they discussed
[18:22] <magespawn> anything else?
[18:22] <Kilos> we need feed back and pics from nuvolari  and kbmonkey  on theirs
[18:23] <Kilos> also maybe we need to think about changing 3rd mondays'
[18:23] <queery> why?
[18:23] <magespawn> Maaz idea get SFD feed back from Ubuntu-za members
[18:23] <Maaz> Idea recorded: get SFD feed back from Ubuntu-za members
[18:23] <Kilos> well chat during the week
[18:23] <magespawn> Maaz agreed
[18:23] <Maaz> magespawn: Excuse me?
[18:24] <magespawn> Maaz agreed get SFD feed back from Ubuntu-za members
[18:24] <Maaz> Agreed: get SFD feed back from Ubuntu-za members
[18:24] <Kilos> queery, the fly and inetpro have kinda been unable to make last few\
[18:24] <Kilos> and Tonberry cant make mondays
[18:24] <magespawn> 6 minutes
[18:25] <Kilos> methinks weekends kills them
[18:25] <queery> ok need to discuss on mailing list
[18:25] <magespawn> i think for the fly and inetpro situation is temp
[18:25] <Kilos> magespawn, didnt you get pics by the uh with nuvolari
[18:25] <Kilos> lets hope
[18:25] <magespawn> no we did not take any
[18:25] <Kilos> eish
[18:26] <magespawn> was a bit wired
[18:26] <magespawn> anything else to discuss?
[18:26] <queery> guys please take pics at all events
[18:27] <queery> it hepls with the report
[18:27] <Kilos> next meet 15 oct
[18:27] <queery> who does the report theseddays?
[18:27] <magespawn> Maaz idea take pics at all events
[18:27] <Maaz> Idea recorded: take pics at all events
[18:27] <Kilos> not found
[18:27] <Kilos> neil
[18:27] <magespawn> maaz accepted take pics at all events
[18:27] <Maaz> Accepted: take pics at all events
[18:28] <magespawn> 2 minutes
[18:28] <queery> and maaz needs to make coffee at next meeting
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <magespawn> Maaz coffee for all
[18:29] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks.  Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[18:29] <Kilos> cool mage
[18:29] <queery> Maaz: coffee please
[18:29] <Maaz> queery: Righto
[18:29] <magespawn> Maaz minutes so far
[18:29] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-09-17-17-36-44.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-09-17-17-36-44.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-09-17-17-36-44.html
[18:29] <Kilos> next meet 15 oct
[18:30] <queery> thanx guys
[18:30] <magespawn> Maaz agreed next meeting 15 Oct 2012
[18:30] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting 15 Oct 2012
[18:30] <magespawn> Maaz end meeting
[18:30] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:30] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-09-17-17-36-44.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-09-17-17-36-44.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-09-17-17-36-44.html
[18:30] <Kilos> thanks guys
[18:31] <magespawn> ran that last bit from the tablet, tha lappy was not playing along.
[18:31] <Kilos> hehe
[18:31] <Kilos> well done magespawn
[18:31] <Kilos> ty
[18:32] <magespawn> thank you to all the attendees and contributors
[18:32] <queery> ty magespawn
[18:32] <magespawn> pleasure guys, will get better with practice
[18:32] <Kilos> yeah
[18:32] <Kilos> but good to know we have backups
[18:33] <Kilos> dont forget the permissions thing now magespawn
[18:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and queery!
[18:33] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[18:33] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[18:33] <queery> Maaz: ty
[18:33] <Maaz> You are welcome queery
[18:33] <queery> Maaz: botsnack
[18:33] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[18:34] <queery> Maaz: Kilos
[18:34] <Maaz> queery: kilos is your friend
[18:34] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <queery> ok bye guys
[18:35] <Kilos> who taught him that
[18:35] <Kilos> toods queery
[18:35] <Kilos> ty for attending
[18:35] <queery> np ;)
[18:35] <queery> almost missed it
[18:35] <Kilos> arent you a twit
[18:36] <Kilos> dont you tweet
[18:36] <queery> yes but google reminder reminded me
[18:37] <queery> ok bye
[18:37] <Kilos> dont you follow ubuntuza
[18:37] <Kilos> on twitter
[18:37] <queery> yes
[18:37] <Kilos> naughty
[18:37] <queery> but dont always check it
[18:37] <Kilos> ah ok you forgiven
[18:37] <Kilos> go well
[18:44] <Kilos> methinks i go crash now magespawn ty for chairing
[18:44] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:00] <magespawn> later all
[23:40] <Trixar_za> I see you guys are also adhering to the Freenode rule of telling users you're logging their conversations


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[13:27] <theblazehen> Hi guys
[13:41] <Kilos> Afternoon evryone
[13:42] <Kilos> everyone
[13:42] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[13:42] <Kilos> hows theblazehen
[13:42] <theblazehen> Good and you Kilos ?
[13:42] <Kilos> good ty
[17:08] <theblazehen> This rm command has been running for like 11 hours...
[17:08] <theblazehen> Directory with lots of files. Any way to speed it up? Unlink directory, and do fsck?
[17:08] <theblazehen> Or is just waiting the best. like 14M files
[17:52] <Kilos> whew
[17:53] <Kilos> doesnt highlighting the folder then doing shift delete do it faster
[17:55] <Kilos> in 11 hours you can format the drive and reinstall a few times
[17:55] <Kilos> hi Audioburn welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:55] <Kilos> hey inetpro any rain yet??
[17:56] <Kilos> weve still had nothing
[17:57]  * Kilos waves to tumbleweed
[17:58] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy overtime?
[17:58] <thatgraemeguy> sorting through photos
[18:00] <thatgraemeguy> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12246775_10153131195985925_8035888111656858283_n.jpg?oh=a4322039d21db174df277c075ce99404&oe=56F1D51C&__gda__=1454964757_63ed6796002910b4c3561691248d756f
[18:00] <thatgraemeguy> goooiinnnnggg......


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[03:38] <Sarvatt> huh...
[03:38] <Sarvatt> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:38] <Sarvatt>   libgl1-mesa-dri: Depends: libdrm-radeon (>= 2.4.12) but it is not installable
[03:38] <Sarvatt> E: Broken packages
[03:39]  * Sarvatt didnt touch the control files
[03:39] <bryce> man goes into car dealership
[03:39] <bryce>  "I bought a car from you, but now it doesn't work"
[03:39] <bryce>  "Oh, sorry to hear that.  What's wrong with it?"
[03:39] <bryce>  "Well, I try to drive it, but it doesn't go."
[03:40] <bryce>  "That's a pity, can you give us some more information?  Or just bring it in and we'll take a look at it."
[03:40] <bryce>  "But I can't bring it in, it doesn't go!"
[03:41] <bryce> ^-- how I feel things are going with bug #399070
[03:41] <Sarvatt> ahh crap, i bet it pulled the libdrm-radeon from the new libdrm-radeon1.symbols i made
[03:55] <Sarvatt> you summed it up pretty well there :)
[03:57] <Sarvatt> well that was a good time for people to test out the script since edgers was broken for a bit :D
[03:58] <Sarvatt> made a new libdrm-radeon1.symbols since i finally figured out how and didnt change the first line -- libdrm_radeon.so.1 libdrm-radeon #MINVER#
[04:04] <Sarvatt> xorg is going to be a close call, fedora is for sure using 7.5 in F12 but i think they're releasing a month after karmic
[04:06] <bryce> yeah they also are more directly involved upstream so have more influence over the actual timing of the release
[04:06] <bryce> so unfortunately often things get timed more conveniently for them than for us...
[04:07] <bryce> plus, they seem to be a bit more liberal in the level of upstream QA they accept
[04:09] <Sarvatt> would have to drastically diverge from debian i'd think at this point to go 7.5
[04:15] <Sarvatt> i cant keep up with it, need to rebuild large chunks of the xorg stack every week because of all of the changes
[04:16] <Sarvatt> oh, fedoras final release is november 2nd..
[04:22] <Sarvatt> hmm every single person running 1024x600 posting traces of usplash crashes has the same exact thing, starting to wonder if it really is just this resolution screwed up
[04:22] <Sarvatt> recompiled it with debug info and uncommented the printf's around where it segfaults http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29680345/usplash_bt_dbg.txt
[04:26] <bryce> whew long day... -intel's down to 155 bugs.  I'd keep going but I should probably stop working and go entertain the wife.  cya.  Tomorrow I switch my focus to -ati.  :-)
[04:35] <Sarvatt> see ya bryce! yeah I need to do the same, shes talking my ear off and i'm not paying attention :)
[08:10] <tjaalton> there's something seriously wrong about virtualbox, because there are a ton of crash reports flowing in
[11:16] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Oooh.  Your libdrm to the PPA upload broke nouveau.  I'll just upload a newer snapshot, that'll work.
[14:51] <Ng> I guess it'll be a while before XInput2 is widely deployed?
[14:52] <Ng> I was about to poke around some of the recpies, but I realised I don't have it in karmic ;)
[15:08] <tjaalton> right
[15:09] <tjaalton> xserver bugs down to 199 (from 220+)
[15:14] <Ng> :)
[15:14] <Ng> have there been any hug days for X bugs? every now and then I look over all the bugs relating to chipsets I own, but they're rarely things I've ever been able to reproduce or test :/
[15:16] <tjaalton> I think there's been one
[15:19] <tjaalton> but they don't fix that well, since most of the bugs have been touched already
[15:19] <tjaalton> uh, "fit"
[15:36] <tjaalton> sweet, I could reproduce the crash in vbox
[18:57] <bdmurray> bryce: do you have a bug like bug 406996 - black lines on screen after logging in until desktop fully loads?
[18:59] <bryce> bdmurray, nope
[18:59] <bryce> bdmurray, guessing its some bug with the mythtv login dialog?
[18:59] <bdmurray> bryce: I've seen it too on my laptop
[18:59] <bryce> bdmurray, it sort of looks like a shadow rendering error
[19:00] <bryce> what's your laptop got installed?
[19:00] <bryce> bdmurray, tell me more about your laptop
[19:01] <bdmurray> bryce: Ubuntu! its the new login dialog as soon as I click my name and it shrinks I see the black bars
[19:03] <bdmurray> bryce: it has intel 945GM/GMS
[19:04] <bryce> with or without compiz?
[19:04] <bdmurray> with compiz
[19:04] <bryce> does it repro if compiz is disabled?
[19:05] <bdmurray> is disabling compiz enough or do I need to restart gdm or something?
[19:05] <bryce> I think disabling compiz and logging out / in should be sufficient
[19:06] <bdmurray> okay then it still happens with compiz disabled
[19:46] <bryce> bdmurray, ok, run apport-collect 406996 and I'll just upstream it
[19:47] <bryce> maybe it's not an X bug, but if not I'm not sure what'd cause it.  seems coincidental both you and the other reporter have i945.
[19:56] <Sarvatt> bdmurray: funny, i cant reproduce that with the same exact machine
[19:57] <Sarvatt> that seems like a mythbuntu problem with the special hooks in gdm it has
[20:09] <Sarvatt> wow good results from the new pixman on armel https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pixman/+bug/385553
[20:09] <Sarvatt> a large portion of the results are almost 2x faster
[20:33] <bryce> bdmurray, hmm folks were talking about enabling compiz on the gdm login screen at one point, I wonder if that's what's going on
[20:34] <bryce> you mentioned the login box "shrinks" - is that a "compizy" type shrinking?
[20:40] <Sarvatt> you can edit that in gconf-editor at /apps/gdm/simple-greeter
[20:41] <tjaalton> it's the new login box that does that. there's no compiz running until the session has loaded
[20:41] <Sarvatt> you can make it use compiz for the GDM session, that might even be the default behavior now
[20:41] <tjaalton> not on my laptop
[20:42] <tjaalton> although maybe I didn't reboot it after today's updates
[20:42] <Sarvatt> i dont use compiz so i have no idea if it picks that if its enabled on upgrade or something
[20:43] <bryce> tjaalton, are you also seeing the line droppings?
[20:43] <Sarvatt> it looks like the greeter box doesnt fully clear, thats the size of the box
[20:43] <tjaalton> bryce: haven't seen them
[20:43] <tjaalton> but then again I'm not sure if something changed very recently
[20:44] <bryce> well, I forwarded the issue upstream anyway - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23047
[20:44] <tjaalton> ah, those stripes
[20:44] <Sarvatt> it doesnt happen here on the same machine as his, thats why i'm guessing its a mythbuntu specific setting since mythbuntu has a bunch of custom things done to gdm to get around the greeter
[20:44] <tjaalton> I saw them with virtualbox :)
[20:44] <bryce> Sarvatt, well bdmurray says he sees it and he runs stock ubuntu
[20:44] <tjaalton> which is not using intel
[20:44] <tjaalton> I'd say it's gdm
[20:45] <Sarvatt> bdmurray's picture shows mythbuntu in the menu?
[20:45] <bryce> yeah I speculated similarly on bug #406996
[20:45] <bryce> Sarvatt, that's not bdmurray's picture
[20:45] <Sarvatt> oh
[20:45] <tjaalton> well, vesa or vboxvideo both don't support compositing
 bryce: Ubuntu! its the new login dialog as soon as I click my name and it shrinks I see the black bars
[20:46] <crevette> know problem, csw problem on gtk
[20:46] <crevette> uptream bug is laready opened
[20:46] <bryce> crevette, oh... got a bug id?
[20:46] <crevette> bryce, let me find it
[20:46] <bryce> thanks
[20:46] <Sarvatt> i thought https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/406996 was his bug, sorry
[20:46] <crevette> csw on gtk+ caused few problem
[20:46] <maxb> Can anyone tell me what happened to the i810 video driver after the 2.4.x series?
[20:47] <tjaalton> maxb: it's been -intel since 2.0
[20:47] <crevette> bryce, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589369
[20:47] <bryce> crevette, thanks
[20:47] <tjaalton> i810 has been removed from the archive since hardy I think
[20:47] <Sarvatt> ahh so disabling the background plugin in gdm might fix it, that would have been the first thing i'd try :D
[20:47] <jcristau> xserver-xorg-video-i810 | 2:1.7.4-0ubuntu7 |         hardy | source, amd64, i386
[20:47] <jcristau> xserver-xorg-video-i810 | 2:2.4.1-1ubuntu10 | intrepid/universe | all
[20:48] <tjaalton> oh right
[20:48] <crevette> bryce, for csw problem you want to look at this query http://tiny.cc/Gwf3d
[20:48] <tjaalton> it was in hardy, and intrepid had the dummy
[20:48] <crevette> or do it yourself by putting csw in whiteboard field in bugzilla
[20:49] <jcristau> tjaalton: won't you need a dummy for upgrades to the next lts btw? or does update-manager take care of making sure -intel is installed?
[20:49] <crevette> csw = Client Side window for those not aware
[20:49] <tjaalton> jcristau: I think it does. we'll probably see before too long :)
[20:50] <tjaalton> although, didn't someone from intel say that -i810 should be used for i810 chips?
[20:50] <tjaalton> which would mean to revive the driver \o/
[20:50] <jcristau> well
[20:50] <bryce> bdmurray, ok there we go then.  known gdm issue.
[20:50] <bdmurray> bryce: yes, I see that now
[20:50] <crevette> not gdm
[20:51] <jcristau> i don't think i810_driver.c has changed that much from the earlier driver
[20:51] <crevette> gtk problem
[20:51] <bdmurray> sorry about that then
[20:51] <Sarvatt> gconftool-2 -s '/apps/gdm/simple-greeter/settings-manager-plugins/background/active' --type bool false
[20:52] <Sarvatt> ?
[20:52] <tjaalton> jcristau: true, and I doubt there are many laptops with that hw working anyway
[20:52] <Sarvatt> they even dropped i810 from xf86AutoConfig.c in xserver master
[20:52] <tjaalton> them becoming older
[20:53] <tjaalton> about time
[20:53] <bryce> I've run into a couple i810 users this year, one of which was at UDS
[20:53] <tjaalton> people are getting worried because the logs have error entries about the driver missing
[20:53] <tjaalton> bummer :)
[20:54] <jcristau> so for an i810/i815 the current driver will work as well/bad as the old one probably
[20:54] <Sarvatt> i've got that background plugin in gdm disabled here because it makes the screen flash loading the second background plugin after you login
[20:54] <jcristau> except the old one wasn't updated for pciaccess and other abi changes, so.
[20:54] <tjaalton> ah, right
[20:54] <bryce> very recently I had a guy approach me about an i830 bug in a laptop he *just* bought.  I had to ask how much he paid!  ($75 on ebay it turned out)
[20:54] <tjaalton> so no problem there then
[20:55] <tjaalton> poor man
[20:55] <tjaalton> not literally :)
[20:55] <bryce> hehe
[20:55] <bryce> he said windows xp worked fine on it, so I wished him luck with that
[20:55] <tjaalton> haha
[20:56] <bryce> (but I did kindly make sure the bug got forwarded upstream after advising him it probably would not get attention upstream)
[20:57] <tjaalton> having this jerrylamos guy around might prove very useful
[20:57] <tjaalton> with all the old hardware
[20:57] <bryce> yep, I've been pleased with the bug reports he's been filing
[20:59]  * Sarvatt wonders why he doesnt just use vesa since he seems to think gtkperf compared against vesa = a real world performance benchmark
[21:01] <tjaalton> I think he's genuinely interested in seeing the OOTB-experience to be "good enough"
[21:02] <Sarvatt> OOTB experience playing a gtk port of progress quest maybe :D
[21:02] <tjaalton> well I don't know the specifics :)
[21:02] <tjaalton> superm1: can you disable the other nvidia device from the XPS 1340?
[21:03] <Sarvatt> #3 0x00871096 in usplash_clear (x1=332, y1=457, x2=692, y2=607, colour=0) at libusplash.c:228
[21:04] <Sarvatt> ahhhhh my y res is only 600
[21:04] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: what does /etc/usplas.conf say?
[21:04] <tjaalton> +h
[21:04] <Sarvatt> 1024x600
[21:05] <tjaalton> ok
[21:05] <Sarvatt> themes screwed up
[21:05] <Sarvatt> it doesnt use 1024x600 in non KMS so i didnt notice
[21:06] <superm1> tjaalton, no that's not possible
[21:08] <tjaalton> superm1: ok, that would've been handy to test if the vesa probing fails because there are two devices
[21:09] <superm1> tjaalton, that wouldn't surprise me.  i believe that you need to start from the primary device
[21:13] <Sarvatt> if i had one of those laptops, i would want to always use the dedicated video in linux since the alternative is never using the dedicated video and always using the IGP.. thats how the vaio bioses do it at least, but acpi checks for linux osi dont do anything since it returns vista so you have to force it on the kernel command line
[21:15] <Sarvatt> can you change the primary video device on the xps 1340 in bios?
[21:15] <Sarvatt> not disabling the other just making the 9200 primary
[21:16] <Sarvatt> things should work if you could do that, the 9200 works fine with -nv
[21:22] <superm1> Sarvatt, i dont believe you can force the primary with the way it's wired (at least from what I last heard from NV)
[21:22] <bryce> Ng, mind upping the priority on your fdo bug 22186 to high please, so it matches the priority in lp?
[21:22] <superm1> there isn't a setting in any of the shipping bios'es for it (development bioses used to have that feature on the early versions of the hardware)
[21:22] <Sarvatt> ohh darn :(
[22:42] <Ng> bryce: done :)
[22:43] <bryce> Ng, thanks
[22:44] <Ng> bryce: I noticed a similar thing today, if I have the mouse inside vinagre's VNC widget the screensaver doesn't seem to kick in, but moving the mouse out activates it almost immediately
[22:45] <Ng> I need to check that I'm not mistake and work out a simple test case before I file it though
[22:48] <virtuald> have you found a reason why the edgers xorg or its ati driver turns off the displays at random? like some inactivity counter doesn't stop counting sometimes when it should
[22:51] <bryce> it's not edgers, it occurs with stock ubuntu too
[22:51] <bryce> I've been noticing that issue myself for quite some time
[22:51] <bryce> my guess is it's some quirk with power management or the screensaver, but I've never chased the issue down
[22:52] <bryce> seems to happen a fixed time after waking up the displays.  15 min?  I've not done an exact measurement
[22:52] <virtuald> i don't know much c but can i do anything to help anyway?
[22:52] <virtuald> hm i don't remember a pattern like that yet
[22:52] <bryce> virtuald, I think a first step would be to try to figure out a reliable way to reproduce the issue
[22:53] <virtuald> ok
[22:53] <virtuald> also should this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29669968/OopsText.txt be upstreamed?
[22:53] <virtuald> and to who?
[22:54] <bryce> my guess is that if you put the monitors into power saving mode, then woke them up and noted the time, and then when it blanks note the time at which that occurs
[22:54] <bryce> repeat that a few times to see if the time is the same
[22:55] <bryce> virtuald, that looks like a kernel oops, so should be filed against the kernel
[22:55] <virtuald> ok
[22:55] <bryce> if you think there's an X-ish aspect to it, you can tag it 'xorg-needs-kernel-fix' so it gets into the kernel/X queue
[22:56] <bryce> the 'radeon_ttm_*' stuff seems to indicate that's the case
[22:56] <virtuald> yeah
[22:56] <virtuald> i get it on every boot
[22:56] <virtuald> should ad that too
[22:57] <virtuald> is it ok if i just update the description and not add a new comment? does the right people get pinged with that tag alone?
[22:58] <bryce> yes
[22:58] <bryce> it's not a ping, but rather causes the bug to show up in a certain report
[22:58] <virtuald> ok
[23:00] <virtuald> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/406478


[15:59] <teward> ddstreet: you know you had a video call added to the meeting right?
[15:59] <ddstreet> o/
[15:59] <ddstreet> ha, i didn't mean to add that
[15:59] <ddstreet> let's stick to irc
[15:59] <teward> yup
[16:00] <teward> for the record though i'm playing catchup after an injury due to the landlords' negligence so i haven't been paying as much attention to emails - anything new other than the previous items to discuss that needs my review?
[16:00] <teward> (injury == bad)
[16:01] <ddstreet> ouch, sorry to hear that! hope you're ok
[16:01] <teward> dislocated shoulder and the resulting discussions with lawyers have taken a ton of my time.
[16:01] <ddstreet> wow, ouch
[16:01] <teward> yup
[16:02] <ddstreet> i don't think there's anything that would require immediate attention, i did want to go over some details during the mtg but it's all stuff that i can summarize after the meeting, or you can review later, if you want to rest
[16:03] <mapreri> hi!
[16:03] <teward> nah i'm good
[16:03] <mapreri> teward: sorry to hear you had some RL troubles :(
[16:03] <teward> my arm is in a sling, so as long as you summarize anything I have missed briefly that'll work
[16:03] <teward> mapreri: yeah tell me about it
[16:03] <teward> the upcoming legal complaint is likely to be **expensive**
[16:04] <mapreri> I don't think there is anything requiring immediate action, though it seems nobody of us 3 actually did anything bpo-related in the 2 weeks.  with both me and ddstreet recalling our actions just this afternoon :D
[16:04] <ddstreet> yep exactly :)
[16:04] <ddstreet> i think it should be a fairly short mtg, with most of the stuff just carried over :)
[16:04] <ddstreet> are we ready to go ahead and start?
[16:05] <ddstreet> #startmeeting Ubuntu Backporters Team
[16:05] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:05:20 UTC.  The chair is ddstreet.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[16:05] <mapreri> sure
[16:05] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[16:05] <ddstreet> let's first go over the previous action items, i think some are done and others we'll continue to carry over
[16:05] <ddstreet> #topic Action Items
[16:06] <ddstreet> ddstreet reply to previous ML requests and open backport request bugs indicating change in process
[16:06] <ddstreet> i didn't, but i think you did this one mapreri ?
[16:06] <ddstreet> well, the ML at least
[16:07] <mapreri> no, I replied to one that came by last week
[16:07] <mapreri> not to the old ones
[16:07] <ddstreet> ok let's carry this over
[16:07] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet reply to previous ML requests and open backport request bugs indicating change in process (carried over)
[16:07] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet reply to previous ML requests and open backport request bugs indicating change in process (carried over)
[16:07] <ddstreet> ddstreet update wiki docs with new process
[16:07] <ddstreet> i *did* do this, at least with a draft
[16:07] <mapreri> (though imho that really should be done after we get this ↑ one first)
[16:07] <ddstreet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[16:08] <mapreri> that page is still unchanged since 2012 herE?
[16:08] <ddstreet> yes i agree, we should have a template to respond to the old ML and bugs after we're done with the new process
[16:08] <ddstreet> really?
[16:08] <mapreri> yes
[16:08] <mapreri> did you forget to save or something? :O
[16:08] <ddstreet> i guess try reloading? it shows newer for me
[16:09] <ddstreet> oh werid...
[16:09] <mapreri> yup, also in incognito it's unchanged
[16:09] <ddstreet> none of my changes show up in the 'info' list...
[16:09] <mapreri> (I'm also subscribed to the pages, so it's hard to miss…)
[16:10] <ddstreet> do you see this at the top: NOTE: This process is undergoing change, the content below may be updated
[16:10] <mapreri> yes
[16:10] <mapreri> oh
[16:10] <mapreri> wait
[16:10] <mapreri> u.u
[16:10] <ddstreet> so i think it does have my changes...they just aren't showing in the 'info' tab for whatever reason
[16:11] <ddstreet> very weird, maybe there is some bug going on with wiki.u.c
[16:12] <mapreri> trying to save a noop change to that page just has the browser hanging
[16:12] <ddstreet> anyway let's not review all of it now, i just edited it this morning based on our previous discussions...let's leave it for later review and ML or IRC discussion, or next mtg
[16:12] <ddstreet> assuming, of course, we can figure out how to get the page working ;-)
[16:13] <ddstreet> ok i'm going to carry over the action, i think there's still editing to be done
[16:13] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet update wiki docs with new process (carrired over)
[16:13] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet update wiki docs with new process (carrired over)
[16:13] <teward> (is the wiki broken?)
[16:14] <ddstreet> possibly :(
[16:14] <ddstreet> certainly something weird is happening there
[16:14] <teward> *lets it spin, will bug IS later*
[16:14] <ddstreet> mapreri start ML discussion for list of dev tools to proactively put into -backports
[16:14] <ddstreet> carry this over?
[16:14] <mapreri> I'll try to have a read of your wiki changes later tonight and yell at you if I read something weird :)
[16:14] <mapreri> ddstreet: nope, I did it earlier :P
[16:14] <teward> i know there was an action assigned to me, but my brain forgot because injury, so a reminder wouldn't hurt
[16:14] <ddstreet> great!
[16:15] <ddstreet> teward update tooling, requestbackport
[16:15] <mapreri> so I suppose you could +1 it there, and if it's +1'd copy it over to the wiki
[16:15] <ddstreet> yep agreed
[16:15] <teward> ddstreet: ack, i'll need a reminder of what we decided to make it do, but that's because my brain is totally whack
[16:15] <teward> most of the stuff will be carried over I think
[16:16] <teward> (we're entering a release cycle so we're all busy)
[16:16] <teward> s/cycle/period/
[16:16] <ddstreet> for requestbackport, i think we agreed to deprecate that and basically just have it print a message saying 'go look at our wiki page and dont use this tool anymore'
[16:16] <ddstreet> lets carry that over
[16:16] <ddstreet> #action teward update tooling, requestbackport (carried over)
[16:16] <meetingology> ACTION: teward update tooling, requestbackport (carried over)
[16:16] <teward> check that's easy
[16:16] <ddstreet> teward review backportpackage tool
[16:16] <ddstreet> this might be more work, i don't know what this tool does
[16:16] <ddstreet> carry over as well i assume
[16:17] <teward> yep
[16:17] <mapreri> that one needs to change the changelog version, specifically
[16:17] <ddstreet> #action teward review backportpackage tool (carried over)
[16:17] <meetingology> ACTION: teward review backportpackage tool (carried over)
[16:17] <teward> oh cool it's a python3 script
[16:17] <ddstreet> (unassigned) update wiki/docs to reflect users can't just request a backport, and deprecate 'requestbackport' tool to print message and url indicating same
[16:17] <mapreri> teward: yes, ubuntu-dev-tools is all python3 :)
[16:18] <ddstreet> i think this is done, based on my wiki changes, an in any case i think it's basically part of other action items
[16:18] <teward> (brb just spiled coffee)
[16:18] <ddstreet> (unassigned) define details on handling members/leads who are no longer participating (carried over)
[16:18] <mapreri> ddstreet: that requires contacting the doc team.  at least I think it was referring to help.u.c, wasn't it?
[16:19] <ddstreet> ah right, ok let's do an action specifically for that page...i actually might be able to edit the help.u.c page directly
[16:19] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet try to edit help.u.c page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[16:19] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet try to edit help.u.c page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[16:20] <ddstreet> #action (unassigned) define details on handling members/leads who are no longer participating (carried over)
[16:20] <meetingology> ACTION: (unassigned) define details on handling members/leads who are no longer participating (carried over)
[16:20]  * mapreri tries to auth to help.u.c....  it seems that "ubuntumembers" allow editing of allof that
[16:20] <ddstreet> define process/procedure for adding new members (carried over)
[16:20] <ddstreet> #action (unassigned) define process/procedure for adding new members (carried over)
[16:20] <meetingology> ACTION: (unassigned) define process/procedure for adding new members (carried over)
[16:20] <mapreri> .oO( it even loaded buttons in Italian for some reason, even if my browser preference is english)
[16:20] <ddstreet> yeah we may all be able to edit the page, though i had trouble with long delays trying to log into help.u.c
[16:21] <mapreri> it did take a while of browser loading yes
[16:21] <ddstreet> ok that's all the previous actions
[16:21] <ddstreet> #topic discussion
[16:21] <mapreri> should I start a ML thread about memberships, or let's keep it to the next irc meeting?
[16:22] <ddstreet> ML is fine with me for sure
[16:22] <teward> same
[16:22] <ddstreet> I created a page, similar to the DMB KB page that has info/references intended for use by team members https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/KnowledgeBase
[16:23] <ddstreet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/KnowledgeBase
[16:23] <mapreri> in that case, I'll get a text that is good enough to go into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/KnowledgeBase and propose it
[16:23] <ddstreet> perfect
[16:23] <ddstreet> #action mapreri propose text for membership process to add to KB page
[16:23] <meetingology> ACTION: mapreri propose text for membership process to add to KB page
[16:24] <ddstreet> ok i had one detail i wanted to clarify about the process
[16:24] <teward> which is?
[16:25] <ddstreet> before, the process was for people to open bugs against a specific backports project, like 'focal-backports': https://launchpad.net/focal-backports
[16:25] <teward> yeah that's been an annoyance in the past
[16:25] <teward> do we need to do anything though from a tech perspective to just use standard bugs?
[16:25] <ddstreet> i'd like to change over to doing something similar to the UCA team, for example in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/+bug/1940456
[16:26] <mapreri> ddstreet: so you'd still like tracking bugs?
[16:26] <mapreri> can't people just happily upload without bugs?
[16:26] <ddstreet> i think so
[16:26] <teward> request: define UCA
[16:26] <teward> (brainbleh)
[16:26] <ddstreet> sorry
[16:26] <ddstreet> UCA is Ubuntu Cloud Archive
[16:26] <teward> ah
[16:26] <teward> mapreri: i think it's going to be a case
[16:26] <teward> where those who can't upload will need a bug
[16:26] <ddstreet> essentially, it backports select 'cloudy' packages from later releases to earlier releases
[16:27] <teward> but those who CAN upload can upload without (but a tracking bug WOULD be nice for historic TIL purposes)
[16:27] <ddstreet> i think it would still be good to have a bug, just to track the upload, no?
[16:27] <teward> I'd prefer having the tracking bug yes, but as part of standard bugs not as part of its own package.
[16:27] <mapreri> those who can't upload likely need to find a sponsor, so that would follow the normal sponsorship procedure
[16:28] <mapreri> mh
[16:28] <ddstreet> i think if we can keep close to the SRU process, it might make it easier for existing people who are used to that
[16:28] <mapreri> I suppose we can
[16:28] <ddstreet> like, create a bug, add filled out template, prepare upload, then upload
[16:28] <mapreri> and the upload should close the bug as well?
[16:28] <ddstreet> yeah
[16:28] <mapreri> do uploads to -backports close bugs in LP?
[16:28] <teward> i think that will need some tech work though
[16:28] <teward> because i don't think -backports is tracked for that
[16:29] <teward> only the main repos
[16:29] <teward> s/main/standard/
[16:29] <ddstreet> i think the ~ubuntu-sru team's tooling closes the bugs, but we could re-use their tooling
[16:29] <mapreri> Isn't `queue` the one handling that?
[16:29] <mapreri> though I guess we need to double check
[16:30] <ddstreet> possibly? yeah we need to go thru their tooling to see how it applies to backports
[16:30]  * mapreri looks at its ubuntu-archive-tool checkout from oct 5th 2020
[16:30] <mapreri> happy birthday checkout
[16:30] <teward> heh
[16:30] <ddstreet> the issue without having any bug to track uploads is if we have feedback or any questions, there's really no way to do that without a corresponding bug
[16:31] <ddstreet> well, no easy way that leaves a record
[16:31] <teward> agreed, a bug for tracking should be needed
[16:31] <mapreri> I suppose we can go and do the same as for SRUs  (I never had anything to do with UCA, no idea of the workflow there)
[16:32] <mapreri> I mean, I'm not thrilled about adding paperwork, but I can be convinced about using tracking bugs for uploads
[16:32] <mapreri> also 1 bug for package/base_version?  so backporting a given to multiple releases would have a single bug targeted?
[16:32] <ddstreet> we can revisit the need for a bug if it becomes clear there are cases where it's not needed
[16:33]  * mapreri looks at his `bzr pull` that lead to a THIS_REPOSITORY_HAS_BEEN_MOVED_TO_GIT
[16:33] <ddstreet> yeah, a single bug would cover backporting into multiple releases, with each release as a 'target'
[16:34] <ddstreet> so similar to this UCA bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/+bug/1940456
[16:34] <ddstreet> i envision instead of having 'affects' of 'Ubuntu Cloud Archive', it would have 'affects' of 'Ubuntu Backports'
[16:34] <mapreri> why is it UCA but has [SRU] ?
[16:34] <ddstreet> and then it would have sub-tabs of each release to backport to
[16:35] <ddstreet> that particular bug is *also* a SRU
[16:35] <mapreri> mh, how does this work
[16:35] <ddstreet> for us, it wouldn't have the 'affects' of 'ceph (Ubuntu)'
[16:35] <mapreri> oh, so you mean bugs against the "ubuntu backports" project, instead of packages?
[16:35] <ddstreet> right, for SRUs, the bugs are against e.g. 'ceph (Ubuntu)'
[16:36] <ddstreet> for us, it would be against 'Ubuntu Backports', similar to how it's against 'Ubuntu Cloud Archive'
[16:36] <teward> i'm a little confused, wouldn't that complexify the process?
[16:36] <mapreri> Is there any benefit in having bugs filed against another project?
[16:36] <teward> i don't really think so
[16:36] <teward> UCA is a unique thing
[16:36] <mapreri> yeah
[16:36] <teward> backports is just the same basically as a standard SRU bug except targeting -backports
[16:36] <ddstreet> i think what we are going to do it very similar to UCA
[16:36] <mapreri> also, for us views like https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backporters/+subscribedbugs ought to be enough
[16:36] <mapreri> It really shouldn't be
[16:36] <teward> if we're going to redo the process I'd rather do a special Backports item but NOT a special project
[16:37] <teward> i agree with mapreri here
[16:37] <mapreri> packages uploaded to backports are expected to be the same of what is already in the archive
[16:37] <teward> ddstreet: so, file the bug tag [Backports] and sub backporters to it.
[16:37] <teward> we don't need the extra "assign it to UCA project" extra complexity
[16:37] <teward> provided we require ubuntu-backporters to be subscribed to all backport bugs
[16:37] <mapreri> like, I see this much more similar to SRUs than UCAs
[16:37] <ddstreet> hmm, i think we're misunderstanding each other
[16:37] <teward> ddstreet: so you're combining "SRU" and "UCA" and confusing us
[16:38] <teward> so let's start with the basic definition of any bog-standard SRU bug
[16:38] <ddstreet> let's start at step 1 - what specific URL do you see people going to when they want to open a backport bug?
[16:38] <teward> ddstreet: the standard bug filing page for a given package?
[16:38] <teward> i.e. bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/SRCPKGNAME
[16:38] <teward> and file a bug
[16:38] <ddstreet> the problem with that is, that will send an email to *everyone* subscribed to that package in ubuntu
[16:39] <teward> ddstreet: and that's a problem how?  They get SRU bugs the same way
[16:39] <teward> except we'd have [Backports]
[16:39] <teward> instead of [SRU]
[16:39] <teward> and then that's for those subscribers awareness (like for SRUs) but not necessarily needing action
[16:39] <mapreri> (let's call it [BPO] for pickyness and shortness pls)
[16:39] <teward> (i'm talking theory not actual execution mapreri)
[16:39] <ddstreet> well that's certainly one way, but then people would just mark it as 'invalid'
[16:39] <teward> ddstreet: unless everyone receives other guidance that it's not invalid
[16:40] <teward> it's a process bug
[16:40] <ddstreet> since 'ceph (Ubuntu)' (for example) is only valid for SRUs
[16:40] <teward> ddstreet: then we can't use the tooling to track backports and close bugs
[16:40] <mapreri> we are creating a process here, that is used in the official ubuntu project.  I don't see anything wrong with adding a process bugs to pacakges.
[16:40] <teward> ^^ agreed
[16:40] <mapreri> ubuntu contributors ought to learn a new teeny bit that bugs titled [BPO] or whatever are something
[16:41] <teward> ignore current systems, we're creating new processes *based* on existing processes, but are a new process
[16:41] <ddstreet> ok, but we all agree that at the end once the bug is done, the '(Ubuntu)' targets will all be marked as 'wontfix' or 'invalid' right?
[16:41] <mapreri> I also half-expect random ubuntu contributors to be interested in backports-specific bugs tbh
[16:41] <teward> ddstreet: i'm not sure about that
[16:41] <teward> because a "Fix Released" means a backport will have landed in -backports
[16:41] <mapreri> that would "fix released" wouldn't it?
[16:41] <ddstreet> ouch
[16:41] <ddstreet> no, that means the bug/feature is fixed in -updates
[16:41] <teward> ddstreet: for SRUs
[16:41] <mapreri> that's for [SRU]
[16:41] <teward> but we're creating a separate development process bug
[16:41] <teward> for Backports
[16:42] <teward> which means it would have independent definitions (bugsquad can update their documentation)
[16:42] <ddstreet> is ee
[16:42] <teward> so you're thinking SPECIFICALLY for SRUs
[16:42] <teward> this is a brand new process that is for backports
[16:42] <teward> so 'Fix Committed' means uploaded to -backports, 'Fix Released' means it's built and published
[16:42] <teward> but in -backports, not -updates
[16:43] <ddstreet> the problem is that *lots* of people subscribe to these packages and this process is kind of hijacking that
[16:43] <teward> remember, there's a LOT of special bugs out there too like MIR bugs as well
[16:43] <teward> which don't follow the standard processes either
[16:43] <ddstreet> i would expect a lot of complaints about emails
[16:43] <mapreri> honestly, if I have to see tracking bugs, I would totally copy-paste from SRU, and just replace the "SRU" string into "BPO" (and a shorter and simpler template…)
[16:43] <teward> ddstreet: would you prefer we defer to the TB for a suggestion on best approach here?
[16:43] <teward> or at least query them for their opinion
[16:43] <mapreri> you have some high expectations of people reading bug mails in ubuntu IMHO
[16:43] <ddstreet> well, i do see the benefit of just re-using the existing packages
[16:44] <teward> (my opinion as a backporters team member carries the additional stigma of anything I say being read with the grain of salt of my other hats)
[16:44] <mapreri> I spent the past 10 years groumbling about how nobody answers bugs in ubuntu…
[16:44] <mapreri> grumbling
[16:44] <ddstreet> he lol
[16:44] <ddstreet> well that's true, emails are largely ignored from bug reports :)
[16:44] <teward> my opinion is, it's just another dev process bug and MOST people ignore the bugs
[16:44] <ddstreet> ok i'm convinced then
[16:44] <teward> hell I have at least 50 emails overnight for -sponsors that I'm ignoring
[16:45] <teward> (and sponsors gets subbed to pretty much every bug with a patch / debdiff automatically)
[16:45] <mapreri> I was in that list when I was an active sponsor, but then I figured it was better to unsub than add a filter...
[16:45] <ddstreet> so our process will be to open a bug against the specific package in ubuntu, and the subject should have [BPO]
[16:45] <ddstreet> right?
[16:45] <teward> following a process and template we will define and document
[16:45] <teward> correct
[16:45] <mapreri> and upload at the same time (if there are no blocking reasons for)
[16:45] <teward> correct
[16:45] <ddstreet> right yeah
[16:46] <ddstreet> #agreed BPO bugs will be opened against package in Ubuntu with subject prefix of [BPO]
[16:46] <meetingology> AGREED: BPO bugs will be opened against package in Ubuntu with subject prefix of [BPO]
[16:46] <ddstreet> ok cool! i'll update the wiki page to reflect that, so ignore what i previously added to the wiki
[16:47] <ddstreet> that was the only clarification i wanted to talk about here
[16:47] <mapreri> happy to sort this out
[16:47] <ddstreet> i'm actually pretty happy you guys convinced me to do that, it's better than what i was thinking :)
[16:47] <teward> (and simpler)
[16:47] <ddstreet> yes
[16:47]  * mapreri will also be happier once we figure bugs are useless! \o/
[16:47] <teward> lol
[16:47] <ddstreet> lol
[16:48] <ddstreet> ok i guess one more clarification
[16:48] <teward> mapreri: and where someone has no upload rights, then it needs -sponsors subbed
[16:48] <teward> (which will then mean a coredev sponsor will need upload rights)
[16:48] <ddstreet> in the wiki, i'd stated that people should put a 'template' into the bug, explaining *why* the backport is needed
[16:48] <ddstreet> along with the test details, etc
[16:48] <teward> s/upload rights/to upload/
[16:48] <mapreri> teward: or just get his core-dev friend to sign directly..?
[16:48] <ddstreet> do we think we need that info?
[16:48] <teward> mapreri: dput wil explode
[16:49] <teward> ddstreet: basic justification would be fine, as well as confirming that it builds as is in a backport
[16:49] <mapreri> I'm not going to bother ~ubuntu-sponsors with all the core-devs I'm in contact with…
[16:49] <teward> and any extra changes.
[16:49] <teward> mapreri: well TBH there's overlap with me :P
[16:49] <mapreri> ? what about dput?
[16:49] <teward> so i can always prod the first dozen or so backport bugs :P
[16:49] <teward> mapreri: well I think if you don't have access it doesn't have your keys in accepted dput
[16:49] <teward> but i'll double check later
[16:49] <teward> either case, there's a few ways to get it in
[16:49] <teward> (irrelevant to the discussion)
[16:50] <teward> ddstreet: If you request a backport without a basic justification then we run itno the problem of "Will we approve every backport request"
[16:50] <mapreri> ddstreet: I agree to what teward said about the template btw.  but keep it very simple, no need to be like the SRU one
[16:50] <teward> if there's a basic reason for the backport even "I want a new version in the older version of Ubuntu" that'd be sufficient
[16:50] <teward> provided a basic "This builds" confirmation or such
[16:50] <mapreri> teward: that said, do you like the justification: "I'd like to run newer X on my own machine"?
[16:50] <teward> we *really* don't need a complex template here.
[16:51] <mapreri> I regularly do such backports in debian for my own benefits u.u
[16:51] <ddstreet> ack, ok - i kept it similar, but we can change it; i put it into the wiki page, so we cna discuss the details of the template later in ML
[16:51] <teward> mapreri: well i'm using a very basic example :P
[16:51] <teward> but yes
[16:51] <teward> mapreri: but i'd also read that with a grain of salt and point at a PPA if they just want newer but have no intention to keep an eye on it
[16:52] <mapreri> ok, let's just hope we 3 have some common sense when it comes to it i suppose
[16:52] <teward> (so we should probably have a KB entry there that says "While backports gets newer versions into older Ubuntu releases, they do still need to be maintained.  If you are just wanting the newer version but have no intention to maintain it from an updates / security perspective, consider building the package in a PPA just for yourself instead."
[16:52] <teward> or similar)
[16:52] <ddstreet> lol, someone wanted the latest glibc, nothing wrong with backporting that right? xD
[16:52] <teward> lol
[16:52] <teward> ddstreet: that's on the list of "Not happening" that we already mentioned last meeting
[16:52] <teward> toolchain packages are not allowed for backports
[16:53] <mapreri> right, where is the action item about "blacklisted packages"?
[16:53] <mapreri> bundled with you rewriting the wiki?
[16:53] <teward> mapreri: i don't think we came up with the list, or rather, documented it
[16:53] <teward> ^^ that
[16:53] <ddstreet> let's action item that specifically
[16:53] <teward> we spent like 20 minutes on it last time *over* meeting time on that topic alone 'cause i'm a persistent SOB
[16:54] <ddstreet> #action (unassigned) create list of packages excluded from backporting (carried over)
[16:54] <meetingology> ACTION: (unassigned) create list of packages excluded from backporting (carried over)
[16:54] <teward> ^^ alternatively "list of certain types of packages"
[16:54] <ddstreet> we should probably do that in the ML, along with the pre-approved list
[16:54] <teward> because otherwise that's an insane list :P
[16:54] <mapreri> I'll see if I can do that, but don't assign to me directly
[16:54] <teward> we can discuss via ML
[16:54] <mapreri> (i mean, starting it)
[16:55] <mapreri> changing topic, I reckon none of you tried `queue` from ubuntu-archive-tools right?
[16:55] <ddstreet> yeah i think we're quite close to getting the process nailed down enough to do most of the discussion over ML
[16:55] <ddstreet> i have not yet
[16:55] <ddstreet> either of you tried it yet?
[16:55] <teward> mapreri: E:NOTIME
[16:56] <teward> esp given injury last wednesday in the middle of the week
[16:56] <mapreri> I seem unable to find a flag to tell me about pockets != release
[16:56] <teward> which totally fubar'd my weel
[16:56] <teward> week*
[16:56] <ddstreet> yeah, i suspect we might need to update or fork some of their tooling for use with backports
[16:56] <teward> yep
[16:56] <teward> (I'm gonna go nip out and pick up lunch, anything else to discuss?)
[16:56] <mapreri> considering that I'm unable to get the "proposed" pocked either, I suppose it's PEBKAC
[16:57] <ddstreet> nothing else from me, should we wrap up?
[16:57] <mapreri> yeah, let's
[16:57] <teward> yup
[16:57] <ddstreet> i assume i should schedule another mtg in 2 weeks?
[16:57] <mapreri> please
[16:57] <teward> yep
[16:57] <ddstreet> will do
[16:57] <ddstreet> thanks!
[16:57] <ddstreet> #endmeeting
[16:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:57:39 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-10-06-16.05.moin.txt
[16:57] <mapreri> o/
[16:57] <ddstreet> thanks mapreri teward o/
[16:57] <teward> yep
[16:57] <teward> ddstreet: see PMs btw
[16:57] <teward> (I'm going to get lunch)
[16:58]  * genii mops up teward's spilt coffee
[16:58] <teward> genii: don't forget to get me another coffee :P
[16:58] <genii> Hah, certainly
[17:03] <mapreri> why is google calendar unable to properly link my google account with my @ubuntu.com address that _is_ connected to my google account -.-
[17:28] <Kilos> wooooo hi genii
[17:29] <Kilos> long time no see
[17:31]  * genii slides Kilos a nice fresh coffee also
[17:32] <Kilos> ty ty ty
[17:32] <genii> Anytime of course sir


[00:38] <jrwren> season finale of cosmos in 20min
[11:42] <rick_h_> morning
[12:22] <cmaloney> Good morniing
[12:49] <rick_h_> ok, sorry but with the mention of 'chatbots' I couldn't help but think that mrgoodcat would have the bookiebot talking to us about our days soon http://r.bmark.us/u/e676147cb40dd5
[13:20] <mrgoodcat> haha yuk it up funny boy
[13:21] <mrgoodcat> but in all seriousness chatbots are annoying
[13:22] <mrgoodcat> at least every time bookiebot talks he's at least trying to be useful
[13:29] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:34] <mrgoodcat> and do you
[13:34] <mrgoodcat> to you even
[13:43] <cmaloney> I do monring yes
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> lol
[13:53] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: what is your preferred online retailer for wine?
[13:58] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: wineries
[15:07] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[15:07] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - U.M.C. (Upper Middle Class) (Live) by Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band on Live Bullet (2011 Remaster)
[15:08] <mrgoodcat> <3 bob seger
[15:34] <mrgoodcat> ah that's what i was afraid you were going to say. I'm trying to get a bottle for my gf that doesn't seem to be easily available online. from the winery direct they have a 1 case minimum for online ordering...
[15:35] <mrgoodcat> oh well
[15:35] <mrgoodcat> emailed the guy to see if i can get an exception
[15:36] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: ah, yea I get a wine membership and they tend to allow you to get 2 or 4 bottles every few months
[15:38] <mrgoodcat> well as a last resort i guess i could just drive there. it's in michigan
[15:54] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: So order a case? :)
[15:54] <cmaloney> Which winery, btw?
[15:57] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: yea, what wine is it? If it's good we'll go in on a case :P
[16:01] <mrgoodcat> turns out i was mistaken about the case being a minimum... It's called homework. from peninsula cellars
[16:03] <mrgoodcat> its pretty good but not amazing. it has significance to me and my gf though
[16:04] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: peninsula cellars
[16:07] <mrgoodcat> anyone been to michigan by the bottle tasting room?
[16:07] <mrgoodcat> or cellar 59
[16:34] <cmaloney> Not famiiar with either of them
[16:34] <cmaloney> Only winery I've been to was Fenn Valley and that was with my dad when he was picking up a delivery.
[16:34]  * cmaloney 's dad was a wine delivery driver.
[16:35] <rick_h_> there was a wine at the local tasting like that, but I think it was more to do with lat/long vs cellar
[19:18] <sydney> Cool!!
[19:19] <sydney> I'm in Wayland,MI. :D
[19:19] <rick_h_> party
[19:31] <mrgoodcat> sydney: i envy you your beer
[19:31] <mrgoodcat> kalamazoo and GR both in easy driving range
[19:33] <sydney> mrgoodcat: Cool!!
[19:33] <sydney> rick_h_: where do you live?
[19:35] <sydney> What are the monthly mettings?
[19:36] <sydney> I have added this webchat to my list,so i will be here more often nw. ;)
[19:38] <mrgoodcat> sydney: meetings are at 6:30pm on the second Tuesday of each month at the Farmington Community Library.
[19:38] <mrgoodcat> per: http://mug.org
[19:38] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/XzBZ0f - Michigan!/usr/group | mug.org – A Michigan-based Linux and UNIX Free and Open Source Community
[20:02] <sydney> Ok;
[20:02] <sydney> :D
[20:03] <sydney> Thats quite a trip...
[20:07] <mrgoodcat> sydney: yea there is also a grand rapids group
[20:07] <cmaloney> http://bundleofholding.com/index/current
[20:07] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/8ZKgS - Eclipse Phase RPG Bundle - transhumanist conspiracy horror
[20:07] <mrgoodcat> you have to ask brousch__ about that one though
[20:07] <sydney> mrgoodcat: im 14,so i dont think i can get to involved,except in irc,yet. ;)
[20:07] <mrgoodcat> sydney: http://wp.grlug.org/
[20:07] <cmaloney> ^- You must all buy this.
[20:07] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/StxUgO - Grand Rapids Linux User's Group
[20:08] <mrgoodcat> hmmmm i don't RPG though...
[20:08] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Doesn't matter
[20:09] <mrgoodcat> I do like the idea of libre games though
[20:09] <cmaloney> it's CC-BY-NC-SA
[20:10] <sydney> What?
[20:10] <mrgoodcat> lol
[20:10] <cmaloney> Creative Commons By Attribution, Non-commercial, Share Alike license.
[20:11] <mrgoodcat> where do you see that?
[20:11] <mrgoodcat> I don't see the lic anywhere
[20:11] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I own practically every bit they've ever released. :)
[20:11] <cmaloney> They're all CC-BY-NC-SA. :)
[20:11] <sydney> If you look,you will see that i hang around the #ubuntu channel quite a bit. ;)
[20:12] <cmaloney> http://eclipsephase.com/
[20:12] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/BzxE - Homepage | Eclipse Phase
[20:12] <cmaloney> I believe most if not all of the artwork is CC-BY-NC_SA
[20:13] <cmaloney> At least the later printings
[20:13] <mrgoodcat> cool
[20:13] <mrgoodcat> buying for my brother i guess
[20:13] <mrgoodcat> he'll appreciate
[20:13] <cmaloney> If he wants any of the rest of the stuff LMK
[20:13] <cmaloney> More than happy to share
[20:13] <mrgoodcat> sydney: i'd go for the grand rapids group from there. there might also be some other groups i'm not aware of
[20:17] <sydney> I didnt say i was going to one,i was just wondering if there was one. :D
[20:17] <mrgoodcat> touche
[20:17] <sydney> ?
[20:18] <mrgoodcat> touché
[20:18] <sydney> Me or you?