[00:00] <Ultraputz> DCP - this is the 5 buttoned mouse of the 70s! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Space-cadet.jpg (re: bonus keys)
[00:00] <milesonwheelz> hey
[00:01] <Ultraputz> hey there
[00:01] <milesonwheelz> I need some help
[00:01] <Ultraputz> oh. most people come here for the free pizza. :-)
[00:02] <milesonwheelz> Do you know anything about wifi and macbooks with ndswrapper and ndisgtk
[00:03] <Ultraputz> eek, i do not know anything about ndswrapper.
[00:03] <milesonwheelz> argh
[00:03] <milesonwheelz> I been trying to solve this issue for several hours
[00:03] <Ultraputz> just state your problem and with luck, someone will eventually answer :-)
[00:08] <DCPom> Ultraputz, cool i want one :D
[00:08] <Ultraputz> that thing is probably as wide as a car.
[00:08] <DCPom> !bittorrent
[00:09] <DCPom> !ekiga
[00:10] <Ultraputz> what's up about ekiga?
[00:10] <DCPom> lol, sorry i usually keep a query open with ubottu as my last tab, but i didn't have it open, so i thought this was a query
[00:10] <DCPom> someone was asking about it in another channel
[00:11] <Ultraputz> oh, like keeping a browser ready on google. :-)
[00:11] <DCPom> heh
[00:14] <Ultraputz> dcpom - know anything about xchat?
[00:15] <DCPom> some
[00:15] <Ultraputz> how one might go about changing the font, or having a channel uselist appear in the side pane?
[00:15] <DCPom> the channel uselist?
[00:16] <DCPom> for font it's Settings > Preferences
[00:18] <Ultraputz> this is the gnome version.
[00:18] <Ultraputz> that's what's wrong.
[00:20] <Ultraputz> brb
[00:22] <oklinux> is xubuntu a rolling realease ?
[00:28] <DCPom> every 6 months with LTS every 18
[00:29] <oklinux> so a new version come out every 6 months ?
[00:33] <zoredache> most of the time yes... there was one time where the release was delayed a bit
[00:37] <oklinux> so is it better then rolling realease
[00:42] <Ultraputz> oh much better.
[00:43] <Mopman> thats an opinion :p
[00:43] <Ultraputz> i had the gnome version of xchat installed. it's crippled
[00:43] <Ultraputz> it's now sane
[00:50] <Ultraputz> brb
[00:56] <Ben_Cs> hello
[01:02] <Ultraputz> question: i've noticed that certain mouse click patterns, like left-right on the title bar will shade it... how do you configure that?
[01:02] <Ultraputz> turn it off, turn it on, change the behavior?
[01:03] <SuperMario1776> I want to install xubuntu on to a G3 iBook (FireWire), but I can't seem to get it to boot from CD. I've tried holding down C, D, and Option (individually) during boot. I push the button, then hit power and continue holding down the button. I can hear the CD reading, but then Mac OS just boots up. I am using PowerISO on a Windows XP pc to burn the CD's at 4x speed.
[01:03] <R[a]ndom> left/right doesn't shade for me
[01:04] <zoredache> SuperMario1776: you used a iso for PPC right?
[01:04] <SuperMario1776> yes
[01:04] <R[a]ndom> left/right sends windows to back on my comp running compiz.  if youre running compiz, check the settings there Ultraputz
[01:04] <zoredache> did you check the md5sum of the file you downloaded?
[01:05] <SuperMario1776> I have been trying xubuntu-7.10-desktop-powerpc.iso,  I just downloaded xubuntu-7.10-alternate-powerpc.iso and am going to burn it now
[01:05] <SuperMario1776> no
[01:05] <SuperMario1776> I haven't checked the hash
[01:06] <zoredache> it would be a good idea to do that.  Are you sure the CD drive is good?  Can you boot of your OS9/X disks?
[01:07] <SuperMario1776> If I had OS disks I'd prob install them. Got the laptop out of the trash...
[01:07] <R[a]ndom> nice find
[01:08] <SuperMario1776> when MAC OS comes up it recognizes theres a cd and what to convert it or initialize it
[01:08] <zoredache> so it sounds like the answer is, no, you are not certain the hardware is 100% working... :|
[01:08] <SuperMario1776> *and wants to
[01:08] <zoredache> a linux iso should be readable without any converting
[01:09] <zoredache> or a cd made from a linux iso anyway
[01:10] <SuperMario1776> what would be the simplest way to check the iso?
[01:11] <zoredache> On windows?  I kinda like md5summer (http://www.md5summer.org/)
[01:14] <Ultraputz> compiz? on this thing? BWAHAHAHAHAHA :-)
[01:15] <Ultraputz> 833mhz, 133mhz bus, 256 megs of ram :-)
[01:15] <Ultraputz> this is totally short-bus computing.
[01:17] <SuperMario1776> the site where I downloaded the iso from doesn't list md5's (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/gutsy/release/)
[01:20] <SuperMario1776> how do I check the iso without an .md5 file to check it against?
[01:23] <SuperMario1776> btw, is xubuntu-7.10-alternate-powerpc.iso the most up to date? I tried looking for 8.04 but couldn't find anything?
[01:24] <SuperMario1776> strike the last question mark.
[01:24]  * SuperMario1776 listens to crickets chirp
[01:25] <zoredache> create a sum with md5summer, then look at the md5sum file that is on the site you downloaded the file from
[01:25] <SuperMario1776> there is no md5sum file on the site I got the iso from
[01:26] <zoredache> no, that is not the most up to date...  ppc is pretty much been abandond by Ubuntu I believe...
[01:26] <zoredache> You might be better off trying to go with Debian
[01:27] <Ultraputz> or yellow dog
[01:28] <SuperMario1776> I hear yellow dogg sucks
[01:28] <Ultraputz> i hear ppc sucks :-)
[01:28] <Ultraputz> (i have a g4 behind me, don't punch me. :-) )
[01:29] <SuperMario1776> hey, I have no love for macs, and this bull is making me dislike em even more, I'm just trying to make use of some free junk
[01:29] <Ultraputz> the problem with ppc is that basically, all that uses it now are a console gaming system, afaik.
[01:29] <Ultraputz> what kind of mac?
[01:29] <Ultraputz> i personally love macs, i just hate crapple.
[01:30] <SuperMario1776> that makes no sense...
[01:31] <Ultraputz> the hardware is great, the os is good, but the proprietaryness and the you-can't-change-the-desktop-font stuff is screechingly annoying.
[01:32] <SuperMario1776> ah, I see
[01:33] <ball> Can't change the desktop font of what?
[01:33] <Ultraputz> os x
[01:33] <ball> Why not run Ubuntu on it?
[01:33] <Ultraputz> where's 8.04 ppc?
[01:34] <Ultraputz> and, in my case, where's a functional solid modelling package?
[01:34] <ball> I'm not sure, perhaps nobody's built it yet.
[01:34] <ball> Ultraputz: ooh, dunno about modelling.
[01:34] <ball> ...they tend to keep me away from models
[01:35] <Ultraputz> there's some weird ancient military thing called BRL, there are a few commercial packages, and then there's just basic 3d modelling, like blender.
[01:35] <ball> ...restraining orders etc.
[01:35] <Ultraputz> :-)
[01:37] <SuperMario1776> An off topic question. In Windows (XP for example) I can start out with a pc that has xp installed, no license key and no install CD. With two free apps I can retrieve the license key, create a new install CD from the exisiting installation and go and do a clean install. Is that remotely possible with Mac OS? OS 8? OS 9? OS 10?
[01:38] <SuperMario1776> *sorry, when I said no license key, I meant no sticker on the side of the pc
[01:40]  * SuperMario1776 waits to get banned for accessing an off topic question
[01:44] <SuperMario1776> debian powerpc info is kinda dense... having trouble figuring out what the hell I'm supposed to do
[01:46] <DCPom> I can't resize my firefox window because the bottom is off screen, how can i make it smaller?
[01:48] <ball> For those people who /have/ to use MacOS X for some reason, I recommend X11.app
[01:48] <ball> (lets you run X clients on another computer (e.g. Ubuntu)
[01:48] <ball> )
[01:49] <SuperMario1776> dcpom: try changing the resolution
[01:50] <ball> DCPom: can you see the top, left corner of the window?
[01:50] <ball> Oh!
[01:50] <ball> Try alt+space followed by x
[01:51] <ball> Not bad for someone who's been using Xfce for about one day
[01:51] <DCPom> thanks ball
[01:51] <ball> No problem
[02:03] <ball> I suppose I should try Xubuntu then.
[02:10] <SuperMario1776> huh, why do you say that?
[02:10] <ball> SuperMario1776: because I've discovered that Xfce is quite nice.
[02:10] <ball> ...and I know the Ubuntu people are helpful.
[02:11] <ball> ...Xubuntu seems like a good combination.
[02:11] <SuperMario1776> what are you using currently?
[02:11] <ball> I have a machine here that might be up to the job.
[02:11] <ball> SuperMario1776: NetBSD mostly.
[02:11] <SuperMario1776> ah
[02:11] <ball> I do have one Ubuntu box, but I've been too busy to use it.
[02:11] <SuperMario1776> considering the xubuntu chatroom I presumed...
[02:13]  * ball grins
[02:13] <ball> I often loiter in #ubuntu-uk
[02:14] <ball> ...and I'm not in the U.K. either ;-)
[02:14]  * SuperMario1776 gasps
[02:14] <ball> hello David-A
[02:14] <David-A> hello ball
[02:14] <ball> I should look for a .torrent file for Xubuntu
[02:15] <ball> Is there a Beta out?
[02:15] <SuperMario1776> personally I prefer KDE, but I'm usually using hardware out of the garbage that is not to powerful
[02:15] <SuperMario1776> for what hardware
[02:16] <ball> SuperMario1776: most of my kit is donated too.
[02:17] <ball> I'm typing this on one of the few boxes I bought
[02:17] <ball> ...think I paid US$ 20 for it.
[02:19] <ball> cpu0: Intel Pentium III (686-class), 797.45 MHz, id 0x686
[02:23] <linko47> hey guys
[02:23] <SuperMario1776> howdy
[02:23] <linko47> any super awesome wallpaper proposals for the new xubuntu?
[02:24] <ball> I don't know, but I would like a pink theme for my daughter.
[02:24] <linko47> if sure you can get one from freshmeat
[02:24] <linko47> or xfce-look
[02:25] <linko47> how old's your daughter?
[02:25] <ball> three.
[02:25] <David-A> is animated wallpaper allowed? animated lemming
[02:26]  * ball clicks on the big mushroom
[02:26] <linko47> 3 year old using a computer?
[02:26] <SuperMario1776> thats the world we live in
[02:26] <linko47> sounds advanced
[02:26] <ball> linko47: she likes Neko
[02:26] <ball> ...plus she won't be three for long.
[02:26] <ball> brb, shoes.
[02:27] <SuperMario1776> surprised the iCrib isn't out...
[02:27] <linko47> me too
[02:28] <ball> Anyone happen to know what the File System icon is supposed to be?
[02:29] <charlie-tca> external disk drive, ain't it?
[02:30] <ball> Looks a bit like a betamax tape
[02:31] <ball> Oh well.  The folders make sense to me at least.
[02:32] <ball> Ah, just figured out what the polo does.
[02:41] <ball> I can't seem to find the .torrent file
[02:43] <Ultraputz> emma from #gothic/efnet?
[02:46] <charlie-tca> ball: are you looking at the beta?
[02:50] <ball> charlie-tca: I would happily try the Beta, but I can't even find a .torrent for Hardy
[02:51] <charlie-tca> Intrepid 8.10 beta with .torrent is http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/intrepid/beta/
[02:52] <charlie-tca> .torrents for hardy 8.04 are http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/8.04/releases
[02:52] <charlie-tca> .
[02:52] <ball> Excellent, thank you.
[02:52] <charlie-tca> that should be releases/
[02:53] <ball> release/ perhaps
[02:54] <charlie-tca> you're right
[02:54] <charlie-tca> strange, intrepid is releases/ but hardy is release/
[02:55] <charlie-tca> I'm downloading the live cd for intrepid daily right now.
[03:23] <ball> I'm downloading an Intrepid desktop Beta
[03:24] <DCPom> how is it different?
[03:27] <ball> DCPom: don't know, I haven't got it yet.
[03:27] <ball> I imagine there are a few more bugs, but that's the point of a Beta.
[03:27] <DCPom> have any new features been announced?
[03:27] <charlie-tca> different from what?
[03:28] <charlie-tca> DCPom: are you asking intrepid vs hardy?
[03:28] <DCPom> ye
[03:28] <DCPom> s
[03:29] <charlie-tca> Let me get the info
[03:31] <charlie-tca> DCPom: here's some information:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/IntrepidIbex/BetaAnnouncement
[03:31] <DCPom> thank you
[03:31] <charlie-tca> np
[03:35] <DCPom> how do you tweak themes in xub?
[03:37] <milesonwheelz> Hey
[03:37] <milesonwheelz> Does anyone know how to get the wifi to work on a macbook with ubuntu installed?
[03:37] <milesonwheelz> I been trying all day
[03:38] <charlie-tca> DCPom: Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> User Interface
[03:38] <charlie-tca> milesonwheelz: don't know wifi, sorry
[03:38] <DCPom> how do you adjust it though, can you change colors of various things manually?
[03:38] <milesonwheelz> dang
[03:38] <milesonwheelz> Nobody seems to know wifi
[03:39] <charlie-tca> Yes, with some knowledge and effort. I usually edit the themes directly
[03:39] <DCPom> what's the path?
[03:40] <charlie-tca> You asked! /usr/share/themes/
[03:41] <charlie-tca> !wifi
[04:02] <ball> 231 Mb downloaded of 605 Mb so far.
[04:04] <DCPom> how do i relaunch the xub GUI without losing the windows i have open?
[04:05] <DCPom> what is the Xfce windows manager?
[04:06] <David-A> xfwm4 sounds like a window manager
[04:07] <Ultraputz> probably you're using it :-)
[04:07] <Ultraputz> ps ux | grep xfwm
[04:08] <DCPom> what does that do?
[04:08] <David-A> !xfwm4
[04:08] <David-A> ,xfwm4
[04:09] <David-A> man xfwm4 -> Upstream documentation in /usr/share/xfce4/doc/C/xfwm4.html
[04:09] <Ultraputz> it lists all the processes you're running and searches for any with "xfwm" , if it finds them, it prints them
[04:09] <Ultraputz> if you see something, you're running it.
[04:09] <Ultraputz> other than "grep xfwm" which it will always find
[04:11] <ball> on my box is xfwm4 (the binary is, but the package is called xfce4-wm-4.4.2)
[04:11] <Ultraputz> but that doesn't mean the process would have the same name.
[04:12] <ball> fwiw I'm not yet running Xubuntu though.
[04:12] <ball> Ultraputz: ah, good point.
[04:12] <Ultraputz> xfce is a "desktop" -- it has a lot of components, like thunar (the file manager.) it shows up in the job list as "thunar" :-)
[04:12] <ball> 792 ttyp0- S     0:59.71 xfwm4
[04:13] <ball> Ultraputz: interestingly it's also possible to run Xfwm without the rest of Xfce.  That's how I started out.
[04:13] <Ultraputz> ja
[04:13] <Ultraputz> it's just the window manager.
[04:13] <Ultraputz> i was running metacity (what comes with gnome)
[04:13] <Ultraputz> but i couldn't stand it anymore, so i switched over to the parts of xfce i liked.
[04:14] <Ultraputz> desktop, window manager.
[04:14] <ball> I exited Blackbox (with all my X clients still running ;-) and launched Xfwm
[04:14] <ball> ...sure enough Xfwm claimed all the windows that were previously managed by Blackbox
[04:15] <Ultraputz> ball, congratulations. you've witnessed one of the only two good things about x windows. :-)
[04:18] <DCPom> where do i make it so workspaces switch when the mouse is on that edge of the screen?
[04:19] <Ultraputz> settings > settings manager
[04:19] <DCPom> and then...
[04:19] <Ultraputz> gimme a second
[04:19] <Ultraputz> this thing is a slow piece of shit
[04:19] <Ultraputz> workspaces and margins
[04:19] <DCPom> where?
[04:20] <ball> Ultraputz: I routinely use it across a LAN too ;-)
[04:20] <Ultraputz> do you have the xfce settings manager open?
[04:20] <charlie-tca> Window Manager, last tab
[04:20] <DCPom> yes
[04:20] <Ultraputz> ball - that's the other one :-)
[04:20]  * ball grins
[04:20] <Ultraputz> at the bottom, workspaces and margins?
[04:20] <DCPom> oh bingo thanks charlie-tca
[04:20] <ball> I'm off to watch telly anyway.
[04:20] <charlie-tca> np
[04:42] <Ultraputz> http://elumenati.com/
[04:42] <Ultraputz> poor man's omnimax projector.
[05:18] <CompuHacker> Is anyone there?
[05:19] <CompuHacker> Hello. I just connected to this channel from a livecd instance of Xubuntu. I'm using a 1.6 GHz Intel Celeron processor with appx 768 of RAM. Does anyone see any problem with that setup?
[05:20] <CompuHacker> I know many people on IRC are AFK but this is ridiculous.
[05:31] <JinKazama> good morning
[05:42] <Ultraputz> good morning
[05:43] <JinKazama> Update Manager rising a error ..
[05:43] <JinKazama> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:43] <JinKazama> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:43] <JinKazama> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[05:43] <JinKazama> what its mean ?
[05:44] <Ultraputz> that means you have something else, like synaptic, open
[05:44] <Ultraputz> apt, synaptic, package manager, add/remove programs are the same thing, basically, and only one of those can run at a time
[05:44] <JinKazama> no. I havet open anything else. only Pidgyn
[05:45] <Ultraputz> that's odd...
[05:45] <Ultraputz> were you using synaptic earlier?
[05:45] <Ultraputz> better question: do you have terminal open?
[05:45] <JinKazama> yesterday
[05:46] <JinKazama> no. nothing else
[05:46] <JinKazama> only pidgin
[05:46] <Ultraputz> open terminal and try tthis: ps ux | grep synaptic
[05:47] <Ultraputz> see if you get anything other than "grep synaptic" back
[05:47] <Ultraputz> it's also possible that update manager is checking fo updates
[05:47] <Ultraputz> if it is
[05:47] <Ultraputz> then that would also lock up the database...
[05:49] <JinKazama> yes. maybe is that. its runs automatic and in same time I try to open it again ...
[05:51] <Ultraputz> anyone know anything about themeing xfce splash screen?
[05:54] <ball> Ultraputz: I know there's a menu option for it.  Were you looking to create one of your own?
[05:55] <Ultraputz> just figured it out :-)
[05:55] <Ultraputz> created it, had it in the wrong place
[05:55] <ball> What file format did it have to be?
[05:56] <Ultraputz> i'm using balou to drive it, it takes several. png is what i used.
[05:56] <Ultraputz> i *heart* the alpha channel.
[05:56]  * ball grins
[05:56] <ball> I heart the AlphaServer 2100 if that counts ;-)
[05:57] <Ultraputz> i had one, do not remember which model, until quite recently. it died in '04, and served as a plant stand until '07 :-)
[05:57] <Ultraputz> was running openbsd.
[05:58] <Ultraputz> poor man's wopr :-)
[05:58]  * ball chuckles
[05:58] <ball> We used to routinely have 200 horny freshers all pounding away on their interactive sessions
[05:58] <ball> Nice little box that.
[05:59] <Ultraputz> little? did someone move yours around for you? :-)
[06:01] <ball> It was little compared to the VAXen 6000 that was had sitting around
[06:01] <ball> It replaced one of those.
[06:01] <ball> ...though we had others.
[06:01] <Ultraputz> ...
[06:01] <Ultraputz> do you live in a warehouse?
[06:01] <Ultraputz> or just aboard a really big boat?
[06:01] <ball> That wasn't at home.
[06:02] <Ultraputz> ok. thank you. :-)
[06:02] <ball> I worked in the I.T. department of a university.
[06:02] <ball> I may buy myself a 2100 one day, just for the craic
[06:02]  * Ultraputz does presently.
[06:02] <ball> Ultraputz: which country?
[06:02] <Ultraputz> united states.
[06:03] <ball> Ah, I was in Britain.
[06:03] <ball> Which state, out of interest
[06:03] <Ultraputz> and where are you now?
[06:03] <Ultraputz> indiana. which university, " " "
[06:03] <ball> I'm in Illinois.
[06:03] <Ultraputz> IU-Bloomington here.
[06:03] <Ultraputz> previously in madison, wisconsin (UW)
[06:03] <ball> Ultraputz: do you babysit Big Red?
[06:03] <Ultraputz> which uni in britian ?
[06:04] <ball> The University of Glamorgan
[06:04] <Ultraputz> nope, but i'm in the same building.
[06:05] <ball> Do you work with AIX at all?
[06:05] <Ultraputz> i have a much less glamorous job -- interactive courseware and assistance systems. (www/interactive, not phone.)
[06:05] <Ultraputz> not in the last 5 years.
[06:05] <ball> I was front-line tech support at Glamorgan... also moonlighted as a tape monkey
[06:06] <ball> Do you use Blackboard at all?
[06:06] <Ultraputz> our department does not.
[06:07] <ball> Our AlphaServer 2100 was on castors.  istr it moved fairly easily.  It was a pedestal, about the size of the small fridge you get in a hotel room
[06:07] <Ultraputz> the one i had at home was slightly smaller than a hotel fridge, but it would fit under a (tall) desk with no drawers.
[06:08]  * ball nods
[06:08] <Ultraputz> had disc array in the front, lcd, etc.
[06:08] <ball> Did you try Linux on it?
[06:08] <Ultraputz> i don't use linux for exposed servers.
[06:08] <ball> BSD?
[06:08] <Ultraputz> openbsd
[06:08] <Ultraputz> ja
[06:08]  * ball nods
[06:09] <Ultraputz> though i like working with ubuntu server for internal stuff a lot better than open.
[06:09] <ball> How well does that support the hardware in your AlphaServer?
[06:09]  * maxamillion decides if its worth having this flame war or just leaving it alone
[06:09] <Ultraputz> it was hit or moiss.
[06:09] <maxamillion> and ubuntu is a horrible server choice
[06:09] <Ultraputz> depends on what you're serving, max.
[06:09] <ball> omlettes.
[06:09] <Ultraputz> here at the house, it does a different job that an exposed frontline server does.
[06:09] <Ultraputz> easy and "don't bother me" matters a lot at home.
[06:10] <ball> I have to go anyway, I have two chapters of biology to read and I have to be up at 05:30
[06:11] <Ultraputz> goodnight
[08:22] <wormsxulla> hello. i've used kppp to launch a connection, and for some reason the application disappeared from the bottom bar, although it's still running in the background. how do i get it back (or switch to it?)
[08:28] <zoredache> is it on another workspace perhaps?
[08:29] <wormsxulla> i don't see anything in the other workspaces ô_ö
[08:31] <wormsxulla> the system monitor is lacking a "switch to it" button - if that would make sense on xubuntu
[08:31] <wormsxulla> :)
[08:32] <wormsxulla> ohhhhhhhh
[08:32] <wormsxulla> it _was_ in another workspace!
[08:32] <wormsxulla> thanks!
[08:33] <albertomm> you can use the window list to search for apps on other workspaces
[08:34] <wormsxulla> the window list?
[08:34] <albertomm> click with the middle button on the desktop
[08:34] <albertomm> there's also an applet for the panel that do the same
[08:34] <wormsxulla> meh, i got a touchpad on the eee pc. the middle button is kinda hard to achieve
[08:35] <albertomm> its like the window list on a mac
[08:35] <wormsxulla> applet for the panel
[08:36] <wormsxulla> i'll look for that. thank you
[08:40] <jarnos> Can you install Grub (1st stage) on other place than MBR by the desktop CD?
[09:04] <o7andrew> howto view application commands used in the xfce menu?
[09:09] <jarnos> o7andrew: Do you mean the automatically inserted items?
[09:12] <o7andrew> jarnos: yep
[09:12] <jarnos> o7andrew: I have wondered it myself, too. I guess there is a file somewhere.
[09:13] <o7andrew> hehe oh.k
[09:31] <PE-swe> Hello. Dunno if this is correct forum for this question, but here goes: I've recently bought a new toy, asus eee, and installed xubuntu. Runs ok, but I'm trying to slim it down even further and so wonder if syslogd really is important? For this type of machine I mean. I'm never going to check logs on this one, is syslogd doing anything important else than keeping logs?
[09:34] <wormsxulla> (interesting question)
[09:34] <TheSheep> no, but logs are important
[09:34] <TheSheep> and it's not taking much resources for it
[09:35] <wormsxulla> i was wondering what was the proper way to see the total disk space used by the system, by the applications, and by user's files
[09:35] <wormsxulla> (in order to strip down stuff)
[09:37] <TheSheep> wormsxulla: there is no distinction between 'system files' and 'application files'
[09:37] <PE-swe> yes, and I wouldnt dream of it on my "normal-sized" laptop, but on this baby I'd like to try and get it as slimmed down as possible (for fun) to check if it's possible to get bootup times similar to asus org. linux
[09:37] <TheSheep> wormsxulla: user files are usually only in /home
[09:37] <TheSheep> wormsxulla: there is that command 'du' with lots of useful command line options
[09:37] <wormsxulla> so "man du" :)
[09:38] <TheSheep> wormsxulla: also df if you have /home on a separate partition
[09:38] <PE-swe> isn't here a really nice tool for checking diskspace in ubuntu? graphical
[09:38] <wormsxulla> nah. i have a single 4gb partition on the eee pc
[09:38] <wormsxulla> PE-swe: there is a tab in the system monitor
[09:39] <TheSheep> PE-swe: yes, baobab
[09:39] <TheSheep> it doesn't display in teh menu because of an old bug
[09:39]  * wormsxulla hopes baobab takes the size of a bonsai
[09:41] <PE-swe> similar to throwing-out-syslogd, would I be amazingly stupid to shut down anacron and cron in services?
[09:41] <TheSheep> PE-swe: I'd leave anacron
[09:42] <TheSheep> PE-swe: it only runs on startup and shutdown anyways
[09:42] <PE-swe> ok, but if im not interested in logs, what else would the cron-jobs do for me?
[09:42] <TheSheep> PE-swe: cleanup
[09:43] <PE-swe> =)
[09:43] <TheSheep> PE-swe: updateing of locate database
[09:43] <TheSheep> PE-swe: deleting old temp files
[09:43] <PE-swe> temp-files goes to remfs anyway
[09:43] <TheSheep> PE-swe: this kind of stuff
[09:43] <PE-swe> rams
[09:43] <PE-swe> ramfs
[09:43] <TheSheep> some unix apps rely on you having some kind of a cron daemon
[09:44] <TheSheep> that's why anacron was invented
[09:44] <PE-swe> ok, thanks
[09:45] <TheSheep> PE-swe: btw, http://www.slashgear.com/five-second-boot-mod-for-asus-eee-pc-0618430/
[09:47] <TheSheep> PE-swe: gdm is one nasty huge beast
[09:50] <PE-swe> aah, is this just for graphical login?
[09:50] <wormsxulla> TheSheep: i'm sorry to ask a stupid question, but i see in synaptic that baobal belongs to a gnome toolset. but i thought xubuntu was using xfce, not gnome?
[09:51] <wormsxulla> *baobab
[09:51] <TheSheep> wormsxulla: xubuntu is using the best lightweight gtk applications out there. Gnome is using some of them too.
[09:52] <wormsxulla> ah ok
[09:53] <wormsxulla> (i was just asking because i see people saying "x looks ugly with gnome/kde/xfce...", so just checking)
[09:53] <wormsxulla> x not being THE x
[09:53] <TheSheep> gnome apps look good with xfce, they use the same gui toolkit and themes
[09:54] <wormsxulla> ah, ok
[09:54] <wormsxulla> :) that answers my question, thank you
[09:57] <wormsxulla> so "du -a -h" is a valid command?
[09:59] <wormsxulla> now where is the command to output the result of a command to a file? something like du -a -h > result.txt ?
[09:59] <TheSheep> yes
[10:00] <TheSheep> personally I like  du -Sk | sort -n
[10:00] <wormsxulla> meh :)
[10:00]  * wormsxulla tries this one
[10:01] <wormsxulla> cool one!
[10:04] <wormsxulla> would disabling the disk cache for browsers help on small systems?
[10:23] <Ben_Cs> hello
[10:24] <Ben_Cs> is there an easy way to make an install cd of my current state xubuntu?
[11:26] <jarnos> Might be hard to fit all in one CD.
[11:26] <jarnos> Anybody tried Puppet?
[12:10] <The_Sorrow> hi there... i would need some help with my soundcard
[12:11] <The_Sorrow> uhm, i cannot get a sound-input, my mics not working... could anybody give me a helping hand with the problem?
[12:13] <homebrewcider> Hi all, I have a micro sd card in a sd adapter, in a USB card reader, it shows up automatically on plugging in, as vfat, my user comes up as owner, with "read and write" access, but I can't write to it. What do I need to do please?
[12:39] <homebrewcider> the USB reader shows up as read only
[12:39] <homebrewcider> I need to write to it
[13:07] <KingOfDos> Does someone know a SIP proxy which can rewrite my SIP headers from Asterisk? This is needed because Asterisk can't handle a double NAT env (he thinks that the SIP ATA behind NAT1 is "internet", and asterisk only supports the "externip" inside the [general] block of the sip.conf.
[13:13] <KingOfDos> (wait, this is Xubuntu, not ubuntu main. so i'll hope that someone here knows something about voip ;) )
[13:16] <TheSheep> maybe try #voip or something
[13:37] <Princess_Khorde> 666
[14:17] <floating> anyone know whats up with my mp3 files that have japanese charachters encoded with utf-8. When i try play them in vlc player or amarok or maybe other players too, the filename gets scrambled
[14:17] <floating> the filename itself displays correct, and in win xp they appear right
[14:17] <TheSheep> report a bug to the authors of these players
[14:17] <floating> no its not the player
[14:18] <floating> i think
[14:18] <floating> some setting has to be changed i think, but what
[14:18] <knome> floating, in amarok, if the file is *really* properly tagged/encoded, it shows right.
[14:18] <floating> how can i check that ?
[14:19] <TheSheep> there are some programs that can fix these things
[14:19] <TheSheep> I think quodlibet had a plugin for that
[14:19] <TheSheep> or was it exfalso?
[14:22] <floating> im not sure if my fstab has put utf-8 to sda7
[14:23] <knome> floating, i think the easiest way to fix tags is to rewrite them in [insert_utf8_capable_editor_here] and copypaste them into tags.
[14:23] <floating> for ext3 drives, my fstab has no "utf8" tag in there
[14:24] <floating> copy-paste manually all mp3 files info to some program ?
[14:25] <floating> but the files are already in proper utf-8, if i take "ls" command and see the filenames appear correctly
[14:25] <floating> but when i see the filename in a music player i see
[14:25] <floating> file:///home/ville/06%20%E5%AE%9F%E3%81%AE%E5%A8%98%E3%82%92%E3%83%8A%E3%83%B3%E3%83%91.mp3
[14:26] <TheSheep> that's an url, and it's url-encoded properly
[14:26] <floating> ok, how can i check the filename in amarok
[14:27] <floating> ah, i can see that correctly
[14:28] <floating> but the tags are correct in foobar2000 in win xp
[14:29] <floating> the files are on a windows drive. i wonder if it is safe to modify the tags from linux ?
[14:31] <TheSheep> the tags are saved inside the file, filesystem has nothing to do with it
[14:33] <vidd> floating, just for S&G...what happens if you rename the file?
[14:37] <vidd> floating, if the files are on a windows drive, try copying the file to your local system and see if the issue remains
[14:38] <floating> i tried, remains
[14:38] <floating> i can rename the tag manually in amarok edit tag
[14:38] <floating> then it appears correctly
[14:38] <floating> just soo many files
[14:40] <floating> i tried reading quodlibet documentation but dont see a clear referance for fixing encodings
[14:43] <TheSheep> maybe it was cowbell
[14:43] <floating> hmm, are the "web" repositories important ?
[14:44] <TheSheep> floating: what do you mean?
[14:44] <floating> i had to remove those because there was this bug
[14:44] <floating> The following packages have unmet dependencies: easytag: Depends: libid3-3.8.3c2a but it is not installable
[14:44] <floating> E: Broken packages
[14:44] <floating> i dont know what those web repositories are for
[14:44] <floating> so now when i cant install something like easytag, i thought that maybe i need those repositories
[14:45] <TheSheep> floating: I have no idea what are you talking about
[14:46] <TheSheep> !repos
[14:46] <floating> that will take me another hour or so to read all those information
[14:47] <floating> so guess i'll just forget that easytag :P
[14:47] <TheSheep> floating: then maybe ask a more precise question
[14:47] <floating> is being unable to install the program called easytag related to not having "web" repositories ?
[14:48] <TheSheep> no idea what those "web" repositories you are talking about are, maybe try to pastebin the whole message you get when trying to install easytag
[14:49] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[14:49] <floating> all i got i pasted here, 3 rows or so
[14:50] <TheSheep> that's all?
[14:50] <floating> if i google that libid, i find some feisty files
[14:50] <TheSheep> what if you try to install it explicitly?
[14:50] <floating> ah, not
[14:50] <TheSheep> !info libid3
[14:51] <floating> http://pastebin.ca/1229365
[14:51] <floating> okay, so maybe i try that cowbell ^^
[14:52] <TheSheep> what happens when you do 'sudo apt-get install libid3-3.8.3c2a' ?
[14:52] <floating> it gives lot of non-installable files too!
[14:52] <floating> :/
[14:53] <TheSheep> maybe fix your repos
[14:53] <TheSheep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources
[14:53] <TheSheep> see here
[14:53] <floating> cant install, no installation candidates
[14:54] <floating> hmm is that synaptic package manger
[14:54] <floating> for xubu
[14:55] <TheSheep> synapptic has similar option, yes
[14:55] <TheSheep> that's the 'software sources' dialog though
[14:55] <TheSheep> you can use one or the other, it doesn't matter
[14:56] <floating> okay, if i follow the instructions on that site, i come back to my problem that i had before
[14:56] <floating> someone mentioned me to remove some tags
[14:57] <floating> now i had to retag them, and i get now
[14:57] <floating> Failed to fetch http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/Release  Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[14:57] <floating> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-security/Release  Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[14:57] <floating> but.. maybe i try main server instead of finland
[14:57] <floating> that i not tried yet
[14:58] <floating> same problem..
[14:58] <floating> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-security/Release  Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[14:58] <floating> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/Release  Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[14:58] <floating> Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[14:59] <floating> and i cant tag anything on the updates tab
[15:08] <ciapsadm> Hi
[15:09] <ciapsadm> Who add applications to desktop?
[15:11] <vidd> ciapsadm, click and drag the binary to the desktop
[15:12] <vidd> for example...if you want to run the game gnome-sudoku from the games menu....
[15:15] <ciapsadm> Not move
[15:15] <vidd> open the folder holding the executable
[15:15] <vidd> not the menu
[15:16] <ciapsadm> Ok
[15:17] <vidd> or you can create a launcher with the executable name
[15:31] <ciapsadm> Ok
[15:32] <ciapsadm> I have successful
[15:41] <ciapsadm> How block desktop?
[15:42] <ciapsadm> Add block desktop to panel 1
[15:42] <ciapsadm> And not go
[15:50] <oklinux> any here try archlinux
[16:13] <Kre|S> hi everybody
[16:13] <vidd> hello Kre|S
[16:21] <ciapsadm> What useful things can make Xubuntu?
[16:21] <vinnl> ciapsadm, sorry?
[16:25] <floating> electricity
[16:33] <maxamillion> heh
[16:34] <nutria> hi guys. i'm, trying to boot Hardy Heron of a usb drive and i got stuck. After booting it says "Busybox" and i have a very limited shell. any ideas?
[16:35] <vinnl> nutria, which method did you use?
[16:35] <nutria> pendrivelinux.com
[16:35] <nutria> it is a fat16 partition
[16:35] <vinnl> nutria, how many machines have you tried it on? I get the same with mine using Xubuntu 8.10, but only on my own computer
[16:36] <nutria> only 1 machine
[16:36] <nutria> it's an amd64
[16:36] <nutria> i'm trying hardy heron i386
[16:36] <vinnl> Well, if you can, I'd recommend you to give it a try somewhere else to see if the problem is related to the hardware
[16:36] <vinnl> What I did with my problem is report a bug,  but there's not much activity on that :(
[16:37] <nutria> well....it boots fine from the CD....also, i managed to boot Damn Small Linux of the same flash on the same machine
[16:37] <vinnl> Same here... Well, not the DSL thing, but I managed to run other versions
[16:38] <nutria> welll....in my understanding, my computer gets stuck in initrd and doesn't load the full kernel
[16:38] <vinnl> Also, when doing all the manual stuff like pendrivelinux.com suggested it works, however, not using usb-creator
[16:38] <nutria> right?
[16:38] <vinnl> You might give that a try
[16:38] <vinnl> Yeah something like that I suppose
[16:38] <nutria> i'm not using usb-creator
[16:38] <vinnl> Perhaps you should :P
[16:38] <nutria> :))
[16:38] <nutria> ok
[16:38] <nutria> i'll give it a shot
[16:50] <henson> Is there an easy way to update from 8.04 to 8.10 without reinstalling my system?
[16:50] <TheSheep> !upgrade
[16:51] <vinnl> In short: yes :)
[16:53] <henson> cool, that simple!  I thought it'd be harder going into beta
[16:59] <vidd> xchat-systray depends on xchat >2.0.4 and I have xchat 2.8.4-0ubuntu7 installed .... anyone know why it will not install?
[17:00] <vidd> synaptic only says it requires xchat, but its not going to be installed
[17:00] <TheSheep> vidd: what about apt-get?
[17:01] <vidd> The_Kernel, same
[17:01] <vidd> TheSheep, the same
[17:02] <vidd> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/58876/
[17:05] <TheSheep> vidd: you have xchat or xchat-gnome?
[17:05] <vidd> xchat
[17:06] <vidd> xchat 2.8.4-0ubuntu7 installed
[17:06] <TheSheep> Package: xchat
[17:06] <TheSheep> Replaces: xchat-common (<< 1.6.0-1), xchat-systray
[17:07] <oklinux> any one here try archlinux ?
[17:07] <TheSheep> vidd: I guess it exp,ain it
[17:07] <TheSheep> oklinux: try #archlinux or #archy
[17:07] <Odd-rationale> oklinux: i use it... but for archlinux talk /join #archlinux...
[17:08] <Odd-rationale> vidd: i dont thing this will help, but have you tried aptitude?
[17:08] <oklinux> ok thanks Odd-rationale
[17:08] <vidd> TheSheep, i have xchat-common 2.8.4-0ubuntu7
[17:08] <vidd> Odd-rationale, trying now....
[17:09] <TheSheep> vidd: basically, xchat-systray is already included in that xchat package
[17:09] <TheSheep> vidd: xchat replaces xchat-systray
[17:09] <TheSheep> vidd: you don;t need it
[17:09] <vidd> but it doesnt work
[17:09] <TheSheep> then file a bug
[17:12] <oklinux> Odd-rationale, do you use xubuntu too ?
[17:12] <Odd-rationale> oklinux: i used to
[17:13] <oklinux> ubuntu ?
[17:13] <Odd-rationale> yeah, i used to use that too, before i used xubuntu...
[17:16] <oklinux> so you on arch now ?
[17:17] <Odd-rationale> yeah. ot. pm if you wish...
[17:57] <vidd> can anyone recommend a guide for removing all traces of ubuntu after installing xubuntu-desktop?
[17:58] <TheSheep> vidd: remove ubuntu-desktop and run apt-get autoremove
[17:58] <TheSheep> vidd: should work as long as you didn't use aptitude
[17:58] <Odd-rationale> vidd: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[17:58] <vidd> ok
[17:59] <TheSheep> note that yelp is, in fact, in xubuntu intrepid
[17:59] <TheSheep> for example
[18:03] <vidd> im installing via the ubuntu alt-cd
[18:03] <oklinux> what does that do Odd-rationale ? the link
[18:04] <Odd-rationale> oklinux: take a look :D removes all of the ubuntu or kubuntu packages, and leaves you with a pure xubuntu-desktop
[18:06] <oklinux> but if you run xubuntu then you dont need to do that correct ?
[18:07] <TheSheep> you don't need to do that even if you don't run it
[18:07]  * vidd just wants to free up the wasted space
[18:09] <zoredache_> !purexfce
[18:09] <Odd-rationale> oklinux: suppose you had ubuntu installed. then you wanted to try out xubuntu. so you sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. then you really liked xubuntu, and wanted to get rid of gnome... that would be a good time to run those commands...
[18:10] <vidd> and if there were an even lighter desktop environment, id use that
[18:10] <Odd-rationale> vidd: tried lxde?
[18:11] <vidd> yeah....
[18:11] <vidd> but upgrade to 8.10 killed it
[18:11] <Odd-rationale> definetely lighter than xfce...
[18:11] <vidd> i was very impressed
[18:11] <zoredache> what do you need to do?  If you want really light you could just start an xterm
[18:11] <TheSheep> ratpoison :)
[18:12] <Odd-rationale> yeah, or you could just go with a wm...
[18:12] <Odd-rationale> i use openbox
[18:12] <vidd> in 8.10, it pulls in a mountain of gnome stuff
[18:13]  * vidd wishes he had the expertise to built the DE from the ground up
[18:13] <Odd-rationale> and if i ever decide to go back to gnome or xfce, i would probably continue to use openbox as the wm...
[18:13] <oklinux> what about fvwm
[18:13] <Odd-rationale> never tried fvwm
[18:15] <oklinux> brb
[18:48] <slow-motion> hi
[18:49] <vidd> hello slow-motion
[18:49] <slow-motion> hi vidd
[18:50] <vidd> is it possible to install a cli-only system from the alt cd?
[18:51] <vidd> or do you need the server disk?
[18:51] <vinnl> The latter, I think
[18:51] <vidd> =\ ya usta-could
[18:51] <charlie-tca> If you did an expert install and did not install the right items, maybe?
[18:52] <vidd> well...once this install finishes, ill restart and try that
[18:57] <zoredache> It seems like you should be able to nstall a cli-only system from the alt cd... you might have to get the preseed file and host it on a http site...
[18:57] <zoredache> then provide the correct boot option to load the preseed
[19:31] <Nillerz> hell
[19:31] <Nillerz> o
[19:31] <Nillerz> sorry
[19:32] <Nillerz> Has anyone here set up a local intranet for file-sharing between a windows PC and a xubuntu box?
[19:32] <vinnl> !anyone
[19:32] <Nillerz> not looking for samba, want something faster
[19:32] <Nillerz> like HTTP  or BitTorrent
[19:32] <Nillerz> \for file sharing
[19:33] <zoredache> Setup apache for webdav perhaps?
[19:33] <The_Kernel> or FTP
[19:33] <zoredache> apache *with* webdav rather
[19:33] <Nillerz> I'm actually wanting to do it with a small DNS setup
[19:33] <TheSheep> Nillerz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=218630
[19:33] <Nillerz> The apache setup I can do, I just want to do some dns stuff first
[19:33] <zoredache> dns has nothing to do with file sharing, but installing DNS may be useful on an intranet
[19:34] <TheSheep> zeroconf works well as a dns replacement in a local network
[19:34] <TheSheep> it's apple's bonjour protocol
[19:34] <Nillerz> Yeah, I can figure the networking out later I just want my computer set up as a nameserver right now
[19:35] <TheSheep> Nillerz: that link I gave you explains how to do it
[19:35] <zoredache> install bind, make up a random name you will use for your private zone, and setup bind for that zone
[19:36] <Nillerz> okay, thanks
[19:37] <Nillerz> what about bittorrent, while we're on the subject? How does that fare, speed-wise, compared to FTP and HTTP?
[19:37] <Nillerz> Any other protocols that might do pretty quick?
[19:37] <zoredache> if you only have 2 points communicating, it should be almost identical... It may be worse since it has overheadto do lots of checksumming
[19:38] <Nillerz> but on the plus-side, you get to continue transfers if interrupted...
[19:38] <Nillerz> I'll have to do some experimenting
[19:38] <TheSheep> Nillerz: ftp and http can also continue
[19:38] <zoredache> http, and ftp can continue transfers if the server and clients are configured correctly
[19:38] <vidd> Nillerz, for an intranet, ftp would be better then bit torrent
[19:38] <TheSheep> Nillerz: and don't forget about nfs
[19:39] <Nillerz> so FTP is the best?
[19:39] <vidd> for an intranet...yes
[19:39] <Nillerz> I'll set up an HTTP/FTP server on both computers (luckily the other computer has this area pretty well charted) so that it's easy for other users
[19:39] <zoredache> I prefer http because it is easy to get it outside through an SSH tunnel
[19:39] <vidd> not too shabby for internet either
[19:40] <zoredache> getting ftp/nfs/smb through an SSH tunnel is pretty difficult
[19:40] <Nillerz> Okay, let's say it's a LAN party and I need to get an .iso file across several computers, in theory wouldnt' bitTorrent be better?
[19:40] <vidd> on a lan....no...ftp is better
[19:41] <Nillerz> But you got multiple peers, so I'm thinking since you have several people...
[19:41] <zoredache> the transfer may be faster... but getting all the computers access to the torrent server may be a pain
[19:41] <Nillerz> right, 'd need to streamline that
[19:41] <zoredache> given the speed of a lan it probably wouldn't worth the effort
[19:41] <Nillerz> I might need to experiment a bit...
[19:41] <TheSheep> especially with 1Gb ethernet cards
[19:42] <Nillerz> Well, usually the files take a good 6 or 7 minutes
[19:42] <Nillerz> At any rate, still better than accessing a shared windows folder
[19:43] <zoredache> there are many reasons smb sucks, but when properly configured it isn't significanly different from anything else
[19:43] <Nillerz> I'm on wireless.
[19:43] <zoredache> My expereinece that the speed of the hard drives is the biggest bottle neck ona  LAN
[19:44] <Nillerz> I know my card can do faster but SMb times out, so I'm going to test other protocols
[19:44] <vidd> Nillerz, the only reason bittorrent would be better then ftp is the "no login needed" factor....
[19:44] <zoredache> torrents would be far worse on wireless probably...
[19:44] <Odd-rationale> there is a pretty easy script here called ShareMe: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=56623
[19:44] <Nillerz> then the multiple peer thing
[19:44] <Odd-rationale> which is simply a python script that sets up an ftp server...
[19:45] <vidd> easily compensated by a web page with the file on a download page or ftp w/ annonomous configured
[19:45] <zoredache> but on a wireless network every peer sees everythign anyway...  You would almost want to use a custom multicast protocol
[19:48] <Nillerz> I'm going to have to set up HTTP anyway, maybe PHP too, so my users will be able to choose the torrent to download.
[19:48] <Nillerz> This isn't just for basic home networking but I'm going to stress test it as a LAN party server
[19:48] <vidd> Nillerz, then can i recomend torrentflux?
[19:48] <Nillerz> at a LAN party, it'll all be hard-line though
[19:48] <Nillerz> Torrentflux... let me google that
[19:49] <vidd> Nillerz, http://tf-b4rt.berlios.de
[19:49] <vidd> its what i use
[19:49] <Nillerz> Ooh, a small bit-torrent file manager
[19:51] <Nillerz> Okay, so TorrentFlux to be a tracker
[19:51] <vidd> Nillerz, you go to the link i posted?
[19:51] <Nillerz> that's what it is right?
[19:51] <Nillerz> http://www.torrentflux.com/ not this?
[19:51] <vidd> Nillerz, if you want the limited version
[19:51] <vidd> Nillerz, http://tf-b4rt.berlios.de
[19:52] <vidd> MUCH better
[19:52] <Nillerz> okay, thanks
[19:53] <Nillerz> Now, all I need to do is at an event simply set my computer up with its external (which'll probably be wiped afterwards) and set up a bittorrent tracker
[19:53] <Nillerz> perhaps even set up some google-ads just to be a prick
[19:53] <Nillerz> then once that's set up it's the DNS that's the problem
[19:54] <vidd> Nillerz, dns is a snap
[19:54] <Nillerz> I might just skip that since techies go to lan parties and write the 192.168.1._ on a big piece of paper...
[19:54] <vidd> install bind
[19:54] <Nillerz> Is it too much to ask for bind to come in a .deb?
[19:55] <vidd> sudo apt-get install bind9
[19:56] <vidd> cant get any easier then that
[19:56] <Nillerz> heh
[19:56] <Nillerz> I'm gonna get greedy
[19:56] <Nillerz> does it... have a GUI?
[19:58] <vidd> Nillerz, im looking for one
[19:58] <Nillerz> I don't need one, I would just laugh if it did
[19:58] <vidd> sudo apt-get install gbindadmin
[19:59] <Nillerz> lol
[20:00] <Nillerz> ruh roh
[20:00] <Nillerz> everything is crashing! zomg!!11one
[20:01] <vidd> ?
[20:01] <Nillerz> nevermind
[20:07] <vidd> Nillerz, check this out: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/gadmintools/
[20:08] <vidd> most are in the repo's (i believe)
[20:08] <Nillerz> heh
[20:08] <Nillerz> I plan to have this thing available as a webserver and bittorrent tracker and nameserver by the end of the day
[20:09] <vidd> heh...you can make it an entire ISP by then!
[20:10] <Nillerz> Right, but this BEAST only has 380 mb of ram so yeah...
[20:10]  * vidd personally recomends FTP server as well
[20:10] <Nillerz> and usenet access might be a bitch...
[20:10] <Nillerz> By the way, is there a way to do that without going through your ISP?
[20:11] <vidd> usenet?
[20:11] <Nillerz> yeah
[20:11] <zoredache> there are providers you can pay to get access to usenet
[20:12] <Nillerz> how do those providers access usenet?
[20:12] <vidd> there are providers giving access away
[20:12] <vidd> dunno...havent used usenet for over 10 years
[20:12] <TheSheep> google groups, for example
[20:13] <TheSheep> or http://news.motzarella.org/
[20:13] <Nillerz> That's not really usenet is it? I mean, it's just an archive of usenet posting
[20:13] <zoredache> it is a bit like a p2p system...  you have links to a few peers and pull changes from them
[20:13] <TheSheep> Nillerz: no, you can post too
[20:13] <Nillerz> oh, hmm
[20:14] <TheSheep> Nillerz: but you have to use their ugly web client
[20:14] <TheSheep> which sucks
[20:14] <Nillerz> ah, well, a tear shed for the death of usenet, anyway, back to my networking stuff
[20:16] <Nillerz> By the way, there is a pre-wedding party going on right now in my house and I'm doing this instead. :3
[20:29] <Nillerz> !favorite
[21:04] <slow-motion> n8
[22:48] <_dbd_l12> hi, i've turned of the 'show icons in menu' in the xfce menu (which works) but it still shows the icons when right-clicking the desktop to turn up the xfce menu. Any way to also disable these icons? I'm on xubuntu 8.04.
[22:52] <_dbd_l12> ok, i've found the answer here: http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/xfdesktop/branches/xfce_4_4/README


 anybody here im super frustrated by flatpak in kubuntu 23.04
 i have followed the instructions but it never adds the menu entries for whats being installed even though i followed the flatpak guides, also i have tried this in a shiny new installation
[11:27] <CheckQ> In some Open file dialogs the typed history is saved and can be accessed via the name field dropdown. Is this history stored in the application files or part of the OS files somewhere?
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:04] <bittin> hey
[12:05] <CheckQ> nvm, found if via grep. Location of the stored typed history seems to vary per application.
[16:06] <user|74> how to update kubuntu
[17:56] <mparillo> Assuming you are on a currently-supported release, you should see an update notifier in your tray. It should look like an encircled upwards-pointing arrow.
[17:57] <mparillo> If you do not see it, you can try updating using the command line and see if you can identify an error message: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[18:01] <diogenes_Vx15> mparillo, he left in one nano second after he wrote the message.
[20:08] <TomyLobo> I'm trying to slim down the kubuntu 22.04 on this old laptop with just 2 GB of RAM. one candidate I saw was update-apt-xapian-index, which goes up to eat 1/8 of the RAM during login. the manpage of that isn't very helpful, just says "rebuild the Apt Xapian Index". does that have something to do with the update notifications?
[20:09] <TomyLobo> i guess my question is what that program is and whether I can get rid of it without losing update notifcations
[20:15] <TomyLobo> oh this is so bad, even the screen locker takes 9.3% of memory
[20:31] <panne> @TomyLobo Maybe don't use KDE/Plasma on such an old laptop... From my experience i have to say, even XFCE/Xubuntu is slow there
[20:32] <TomyLobo> the user is used to KDE and windows
[20:33] <panne> so maybe it's possible to upgrade RAM to at least 4 GB?
[20:38] <TomyLobo> https://gist.github.com/TomyLobo/e5bcf1ffcfd2e818d12a68747957f8ae I'm not sure. I think this means yes, but it's weird that 2nd slot says "Form Factor: DIMM"
[20:42] <panne> that's weird, yes - and if it is correct, i have no clue if you could use both slots together
[20:42] <TomyLobo> oh?
[20:43] <TomyLobo> my main concern was that it was some weird internal slot that isn't even accessible
[20:43] <panne> ...but you could probably just buy on SODIMM with 4 (or 8) GB and replace the 2 GB module
[20:43] <TomyLobo> probably
[20:44] <panne> at least it says "Maximum Capacity: 16 GB" :)
[20:44] <TomyLobo> yeah
[20:48] <TomyLobo> switching from sddm to lightdm with lightdm-gtk-greeter helped a little


[07:26] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Are you around?
[08:39] <brainwash> Noskcaj: hey, can you please mark bug 1014891 as won't fix (as per upstream status)
[09:02] <Noskcaj> done
[09:06] <brainwash> Noskcaj: thank you :)
[09:11] <Noskcaj> brainwash, You should try and get bug control rights. it's not particularly hard
[09:11] <brainwash> thanks for reminding me >.<
[09:12] <brainwash> :P
[09:24] <brainwash> Noskcaj: on more, bug 1013945 to low or wishlist even
[09:25] <brainwash> that's it
[09:30] <Noskcaj> done
[09:30] <brainwash> awesome, thanks
[09:41] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: hey, what's up?
[09:52] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Could you take a look at the exo rebuild bug?
[09:52] <Noskcaj> And what is your plan with the xfce 4.10/4.12 PPAs?
[09:53] <Noskcaj> I think we should try and have a PPA for backports like the 4.10 was, and use staging for what the 4.12 was
[09:53] <Noskcaj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exo/+bug/1308533
[09:54] <Noskcaj> Lastly, could you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#Sean_Davis_.28bluesabre.29 to mention that you are the head of devel, etc.
[10:11] <bluesabre> updated your wiki page
[10:12] <bluesabre> we've been using xubuntu-staging for most of that, but it would make sense to throw release builds into the xfce-4.12 ppa
[10:39] <james0r> on 14.04 and looking to test xfce 4.12 out. is there a ppa for this yet?
[10:41] <bluesabre> daily builds of several components: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging
[10:42] <bluesabre> (and some stable, not daily builds)
[10:42]  * bluesabre needs to fix the daily xfce4-settings package later
[10:43] <bluesabre> not broken, but new builds are blocked since we merged something upstream
[10:44] <james0r> bluesabre, great i'll check it out. thx
[10:45] <brainwash> james0r: you should read http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ if you are interested in contributing
[10:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: "Stable" releases are nicer, though.
[10:46] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah... suppose I'll update the PPAs later
[10:46] <bluesabre> :)
[10:47] <Unit193> I'd offer to help, but that'd be pointless. :P
[10:49] <james0r> brainwash, cool. bookmarking both right now for when i get back home.
[10:52] <bluesabre> :)
[10:52] <bluesabre> thankfully we've uploaded most, so I can just backport them to the ppa
[10:53] <brainwash> bluesabre: bug 1349056 still makes me wonder, is there anything which needs to be fixed? misconfiguration caused by the user -> not a bug?
[10:55] <bluesabre> brainwash: I'll work through that one with ochosi... there's a patch that needs to be applied to xfpm (see comment #5)
[10:56] <brainwash> the inverted logic?
[10:57] <bluesabre> yeah, this bit is confusing, but reviewing the code seems to indicate as such
[10:58] <brainwash> mmh, can we add https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11113 as bugwatch?
[11:00] <bluesabre> thats the one
[11:00] <james0r> how breaky is the xubuntu-staging ppa?
[11:01] <bluesabre> there's always a risk, but each of the projects stays in a mostly stable state consistently. I run it and update daily with no issues
[11:02] <james0r> bluesabre, okay cool. this machine isn't used for much, minor breakage ain't a big deal.
[11:03] <bluesabre> brainwash: btw, I'd still not consider that bug a regression, it breaks a former workaround
[11:03] <bluesabre> but I might be wrong in that regard
[11:05] <brainwash> bluesabre: I just want to mark the report accordingly, if there is no bug in the xfce4-power-manager package -> invalid
[11:05] <bluesabre> its a gray area
[11:05] <bluesabre> leave it open for now
[11:05] <brainwash> ofc
[11:05] <bluesabre> and we can close it when the next xfpm release comes out with that patch (ochosi)
[11:12] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: uploaded the rebuild package... I'll be out most of the day, so if possible, please field any questions
[11:12] <brainwash> should we discuss bug 1271169 at some point (meeting)?
[11:13] <brainwash> it's just one of these reports which will stay open for an eternity
[11:13] <brainwash> and I cannot just close it
[11:14] <brainwash> normally I would, but it's penalvch who filed the report =S
[11:15] <bluesabre> poke ochosi with it
[11:15] <bluesabre> gotta run now, bbl
[11:15] <knome> brainwash, get the bugsquad membership.
[11:16] <knome> brainwash, how many times do i have to tell you this? :)
[11:18] <brainwash> it's bugcontrol
[11:18] <brainwash> how many times do i have to tell you this? :D
[11:19] <ali1234> penalvch closes my bugs all the time :(
[11:19] <brainwash> ochosi does not like it when I subscribe him to "random" bug reports
[11:22] <brainwash> ali1234: uhm, did you talk to the ubuntu guys about thunar's incompatibility with unity-gtk-module?
[11:22] <ali1234> no, i'll go and ask them now
[11:22] <brainwash> ok :)
[11:26] <ali1234> okay, larsu is having a look :)
[11:33] <knome> brainwash, as many as i have to tell you to get a membership to it!
[11:36] <ali1234> anyone got a system with unity and xfce installed?
[11:37] <knome> i'm sure somebody does...
[11:43] <ali1234> bug 1310788 needs to be tested for reproducability on a system with xfce and unity installed
[11:43] <ali1234> reporter didn't say if they are using xfce or have just installed thunar in unity or something
[12:51] <elfy> ali1234: I could possibly do that xfce/unity thing in a vm if that's of use
[12:51] <ali1234> yes please
[12:52] <elfy> ok - I'll do it later today
[12:52] <elfy> what do I need to install though - ubuntu-desktop?
[12:53] <ali1234> unity-gtk-module
[12:53] <ali1234> you know, the usual suspects
[12:54] <elfy> okey doke - I'll set that off in a moment and check the bug later
[12:54] <elfy> well ... I don't know - I wouldn't know unity if it jumped up and bit me
[12:58] <elfy> ali1234: can't confirm that
[12:58] <ali1234> hmm
[12:58] <ali1234> i guess we wait for more info from the reporter then
[12:58] <elfy> but reading the bug report - it would seem they're using thunar in ubuntu
[13:01] <elfy> if I can garner enough interest I'll install ubuntu and thunar
[13:05] <ali1234> ubuntu and thunar doesn't reproduce it - i tried that one
[13:05] <ali1234> so reporter obviously has some relatively unique setup
[13:06] <elfy> well xubuntu + unity-gtk2/3-modules doesn't either
[13:06] <ali1234> not completely unique though, we got quite a few crash reports, but they don't have much information
[13:06] <ali1234> or it has to be a specific menu or possibly some locale thing
[13:06] <elfy> ali1234: yea - thunar seems to be good at that - I'll install -desktop in xubuntu seen what happens with that
[13:07] <elfy> off again now
[16:06] <Luyin> hi
[16:06] <elfy> hi Luyin
[16:06] <elfy> afternoon all
[16:07] <Luyin> elfy: my computer atm has free resources to do some testing. are there any test to do today?
[16:09] <elfy> Luyin: there are daily tests for 32 and 64 bit - daily :D
[16:09] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds
[16:10] <Luyin> perfect, hehe ;)
[16:11] <slickymasterWork> hey elfy
[16:12] <elfy> hi slickymasterWork
[16:30] <elfy> Luyin: seriously though, there are dailies - 7 days a week, they are generally updated by ~11:00 UTC, possibly before
[16:31] <elfy> the only times there are NOT dailies is if we have either stopped builds for milestones (alpha/beta's) or there is an issue with the build - in which case you'd see the last good build until we got a good new onw
[16:31] <Luyin> elfy: all right, then I'll try to do one every day if I can. more if I don't need my CPU :D
[16:31] <elfy> hope that helps
[16:31] <Luyin> how do I see if there is a build stop? are the build unavailable then?
[16:32] <elfy> no - there would be a build but it would have an 'old' date against it
[16:32] <Luyin> ah okay
[16:32] <Luyin> I've got a question here
[16:32] <Luyin> I'm just trying the "auto-resize" build
[16:32] <elfy> ok
[16:32] <elfy> hardware or virtual?
[16:33] <elfy> is the space actually large enough to take 2 installs?
[16:33] <Luyin> but since it's a fresh vm, I don't have an OS next to which xubu could be installed :D so I'm not exactly meeting the requirements to proceed, since I can't "Select Install Xubuntu XX.XX alongside SYSTEM YY "
[16:33] <Luyin> I guess your questions are answered with this, elfy
[16:34] <elfy> Luyin: when I'm doing the whole set I do this - in a 15Gb vbox
[16:34] <elfy> clean install, resize, manual
[16:34] <elfy> then you've got a clean install which you can resize :)
[16:34] <elfy> so if you've only got time to do one - do a clean
[16:35] <elfy> tomorrow - do a resize
[16:35] <elfy> does that make sense?
[16:35] <Luyin> yep, it does. so I'll just cancel this one and do a clean install instead today
[16:36] <elfy> yep - tomorrow you can do a resize on today's install :)
[16:36] <elfy> you know about zsync?
[16:36] <Luyin> zsync auto-updates my file if I run the command again, right?
[16:36] <elfy> if you zsync it yep
[16:36] <Luyin> yes I did this
[16:36] <Luyin> very handy :)
[16:36] <elfy> indeed it is :)
[16:37] <elfy> I've aliased them - lazy :p
[16:38] <Luyin> elfy: ctrl+r is my friend ;)
[16:39] <elfy> 64l is mine - or 32l ;)
[17:03] <elfy> ali1234: installed ubuntu-desktop in an updated utopic, started ubuntu - thunar - no crash if I right click a bunch of times - making sure there was no daemon, xfce and xubuntu desktop - same thing
[17:15] <ali1234> elfy: thanks. hopefully attente can get to the bottom of it
[17:15] <elfy> do you want me to comment in thread as to what I've done for attente
[17:15] <elfy> or will it just be noise
[17:16] <ali1234> probably just noise if you never managed to reproduce and the guy is using unity
[17:16] <elfy> yea
[17:16] <ali1234> it's really down to reporter to give more details (or just post the damn crash dump already)
[17:16] <elfy> though if needed I could install unity and thunar
[17:16] <elfy> yea - just seen that
[17:16] <ali1234> nah, i tried that already
[17:17] <ali1234> and so did larsu
[17:17] <ali1234> we couldn't repro
[17:17] <ali1234> so there must be some third variable we don't know about
[17:17] <elfy> okey doke
[17:17] <elfy> well shout if there is anything I can do
[17:23] <brainwash> ali1234: aren't the hidden error reports helpful?
[17:24] <ali1234> dunno. they're on the bug report anyway
[17:24] <ali1234> there's only so much a backtrace can tell you, when dealing with dbus and gtk
[17:25] <ali1234> but it would be good to at least confirm it is the same bug from e.u.c
[17:25] <brainwash> ok =S
[17:54] <Luyin> clean install ran perfectly. reporting in a mom
[18:00] <Luyin> reported
[18:01] <ochosi> thanks Luyin
[18:01] <Luyin> np ochosi
[18:01] <Luyin> doing the next one already ;)
[18:02] <ochosi> awesome
[18:08] <elfy> hi ochosi
[18:08] <elfy> thanks Luyin :)
[18:08] <ochosi> hey elfy
[18:09] <Luyin> elfy: you're welcome. I wish I could do more, especially translations, but I'm running low on time atm ;/
[18:10] <elfy> Luyin: everything that you do is appreciated
[18:17] <Luyin> elfy: I'm having strange behaviour again. how large is a raw, fresh xubuntu 14.10 install?
[18:18] <Luyin> might be my virtual partition is too small
[18:22] <elfy> installer tells you it wants 6.2Gb free space
[18:23] <Luyin> ok then this is my error. I'm off to dinner now, but going on later. c u
[18:29] <brainwash> Noskcaj: can you please split the status of bug 1307251 into trusty/utopic? the last comment requested it
[18:30] <brainwash> we won't sru this stuff, it's just too minor
[18:30] <brainwash> but what about the micro release policy?
[18:32] <brainwash> however, backporting xfdesktop4 to trusty should be fine too, but I have no clue if this will have any success
[18:34] <dkessel> erm... what's the workaround again for "broken graphics on utopic daily installer"?
[18:35] <dkessel> in a vm....
[18:45] <elfy> one that's black screen dkessel ?
[18:45] <elfy> if so F1/F7 works in vbox
[18:46] <dkessel> that was a pixelated, large, mouse cursor. background was black. i am now trying the image upgrade test
[19:05] <dkessel> elfy: right, if forgot i had to use <host key>+F1 to get vbox to send the key press to the guest. now running the image upgrade test...
[19:19] <Luyin> bbl
[20:11] <dkessel> omg the desktop guide seems long when you start translating it....
[20:12] <elfy> took me no time at all to translate it into Australian ...
[20:16] <dkessel> meh
[20:17] <brainwash> use google translate?
[20:17] <brainwash> saves some time :>
[20:23] <dkessel> ew
[20:24] <dkessel> ...and gives really nice results. have you ever played "translation party"?
[20:24] <dkessel> http://translationparty.com/
[20:24] <brainwash> is google translate still that bad?
[20:28] <dkessel> no. but google is still no native speaker
[20:34] <brainwash> not yet
[20:36] <brainwash> I never bothered to start translating stuff, because usually there are enough german translators available
[20:58] <dkessel> I am done for today...
[21:27] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, I've started to put all the xubuntu apps into ppa:noskcaj/xubuntu , they could go into whatever our "supported" ppa is (Stuff that's stable enough for anyone to use)
[23:06] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: good work! :D
[23:49] <bluesabre> ochosi, ali1234: noticed these keys in xfwm4 conf... which one is the currently valid one?
[23:50] <bluesabre> <property name="dbl_click_time" type="int" value="400"/>
[23:50] <bluesabre> <property name="double_click_time" type="int" value="250"/>