[07:31] <GotD0t> reversal`: time is messed up in windows? probably because its retarded and doesn't know how to read the system clock... or your battery for the clock is dead and ubuntu updates from time servers on startup
[07:31] <hyrcan> hehe...
[07:31] <GotD0t> and if you've got win xp it updates from servers that are about 10 seconds off
[07:31] <GotD0t> which pissed me off so much
[07:31] <reversal`> no, i mean, the time is fine, it just happens after i restart from ubuntu
[07:31] <GotD0t> but not on startup
[07:31] <hyrcan> I think it's more likly that linux thinks the system clock is set to UTC where as windows normally sets it to local time...
[07:32] <reversal`> no not 10 seconds, like hours lol.
[07:32] <hyrcan> how messed up is it?
[07:32] <reversal`> 5 hours maybe
[07:32] <hyrcan> yep...thats what it is probally...
[07:32] <rattboi> I don't get it...
[07:32] <rattboi> do I need to patch the kernel for bootsplash?
[07:32] <GotD0t> reversal`: where are you?
[07:32] <reversal`> new yawk
[07:32] <GotD0t> oh ye4a
[07:32] <rattboi> when I patch, it says some of the files are already there, aka bootsplash.c, .h
[07:32] <hyrcan> ding
[07:32] <calamari> hyrcan: any idea what the gamepad device would be called ?
[07:32] <GotD0t> EST is -5
[07:33] <reversal`> right
[07:33] <GotD0t> hyrcan: hit it on the head
[07:33] <reversal`> the times are both right, i could restart from windows, into windows, and my time will be fine, jsut that when im in ubuntu and restart my time in windows is off
[07:33] <hyrcan> Calamari: let me see if I can't figure it out...
[07:35] <GotD0t> reversal`: yea... it must be because linux sets the system clock to UTC and then adjusts for time zones and windows thinks the system clock is set to local time
[07:35] <calamari> hyrcan: thanks.. just found a guy in ##linux that has a gamepad working :)
[07:35] <hyrcan> Calamari rock on
[07:35] <hyrcan> Z)
[07:35] <reversal`> any way to fix that?
[07:35] <hyrcan> an change time
[07:35] <hyrcan> oops wrong window
[07:35] <hyrcan> lol
[07:35] <GotD0t> reversal`: set your timezone in windows to UTC
[07:36] <GotD0t> reversal`: then it won't compensate
[07:36] <GotD0t> err
[07:36] <GotD0t> wait
[07:36] <GotD0t> hmm
[07:36] <GotD0t> no clue
[07:36] <GotD0t> that wont work
[07:36] <GotD0t> im sorry... not all here
[07:36] <hyrcan> I think what reversal needs to do is tell linux to stops changing the time...and just report it....I can't remember what the freking command is... just a sec
[07:37] <reversal`> yeah i dont think its a windows setting problem
[07:37] <wmealing_> hmm
[07:37] <hyrcan> ah here we go... http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html
[07:37] <GotD0t> or reversal` can stop booting into windows ;-) that would be optimal... and it would free a hell of a lot of disk space :-P
[07:37] <reversal`> thanks
[07:37] <wmealing_> can anyone give the md5sum of the warty for powerpc iso ?
[07:38] <GotD0t> wmealing_: should be on the sit
[07:38] <GotD0t> sute*
[07:38] <GotD0t> AH
[07:38] <reversal`> i need my windows for gaming :(
[07:38] <GotD0t> ok im out
[07:38] <oak> what nethack is not good enough?
[07:39] <wmealing_> would anyone know which file ? on the site ?
[07:39] <GotD0t> reversal`: what games?
[07:39] <wmealing_> Md5sums !
[07:39] <wmealing_> imagine that
[07:39] <hyrcan> reversal in your linux install do a  " data " and make sure it's the right time...(it will be in 24hr time I think )
[07:39] <reversal`> cs, hl2, enemy territory, doom 3, yes i know et and d3 have linux versions but im too lazy to set it up
[07:40] <hyrcan> reversal if it's the right time then run " hwclock --systohc "
[07:40] <reversal`> hwclock --systohc will do what exactly?
[07:40] <wmealing_> well not DIII, but i play it native
[07:40] <hyrcan> hwclock -systohc will set your hardware clock to the current System time...
[07:41] <oak> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/ MD5SUMS
[07:41] <wmealing_> yeah, i got it.
[07:41] <reversal`> shouldnt i add --utc?
[07:41] <hyrcan> if you change your system time to the current time in NY which is about 1:41 (I'm down in DC) and then run hwclock which you reboot to windows it should be corrent...
[07:42] <reversal`> if thats what windows uses?
[07:42] <reversal`> ubuntu time was never wrong though.
[07:43] <hyrcan> check our this page for more info http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html
[07:43] <reversal`> im confused :(
[07:43] <reversal`> yeah i checked that page out and it looks like i should be doing hwclock --systohc --utc
[07:43] <reversal`> right?
[07:43] <hyrcan> Ubuntu understands what UTC is and adjust the time shown to you by the timezone... Windows doesn't know what UTC is so it things the hardware clock is localtime thus being 5hours off...
[07:44] <hyrcan> No leave off the --utc
[07:44] <hyrcan> the UTC bit is what is confusing Windows, because windows can't tell time.
[07:44] <hyrcan> :) yes that was a dig...hehehe
[07:44] <reversal`> alright, thanks. i think i got it.
[07:45] <reversal`> gonna try it out now.
[07:45] <hyrcan> read the page some to there is some good info on setting it up to automatically pull the time etc...just remember that you need the hardware clock to be set to local time not UTC and you should be fine... if not then there;s something else wrong...
[07:46] <hyrcan> er...never mind  :)
[07:47] <brymaster> could someone help me with a little problem i'm having with the live cd?
[07:48] <brymaster> after booting up and the loading screen is finished, i hear the startup sound but the screen is black and the light on my monitor is flashing green and then orange. what start up option do i need to change?
[07:48] <hyrcan> just ask brymaster if we can we will :)
[07:49] <brymaster> i'm thinking it's a video setting but not sure
[07:49] <hyrcan> hmm... sounds like the X isn't picking up your monitor resolution correct...or the video card...
[07:49] <brymaster> because vesa mode seems to work
[07:49] <brymaster> yeah
[07:50] <hyrcan> can you go to a terminal ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 etc...???
[07:50] <brymaster> i had a problem like this before with x and the nvidia drivers. i had to specify that my monitor was a CRT
[07:50] <brymaster> haven't tried that yet. i'll have to try in a sec when i reboot
[07:51] <brymaster> if i can, what should i do then?
[07:51] <brymaster> or is there some other option i can try?
[07:52] <hyrcan> Can't remember if you can manually select your video setup on the livecd...haven't played with it enough...but thats definitely whats going on...
[07:52] <brymaster> yeah
[07:52] <brymaster> alright then. i'll probably just have to stick with vesa mode and not use the nvidia drivers for my card. i'll get it another shot
[07:53] <hyrcan> if you can get to a console then you could change the settings that X is using....but you'd have to do that every time you booted witch is a pain
[07:53] <brymaster> yeah, that is a pain
[07:53] <brymaster> wish i knew what the exact prob was so i could submit it to ubuntu as a bug or something
[07:54] <hyrcan> :-X  yik...you can check the error logs and see if they say anything...like what is it actually thinking you have? that sort of thing...
[07:55] <brymaster> it detects my card right but some setting is wrong i'm sure
[07:55] <brymaster> i'm going to try again. thanks
[07:55] <hyrcan> maybe the resolution's to high for your monitor
[07:57] <hyrcan> anyone know what file ubuntu will read when starting into X?  It doesn't seem to be reading ~/.profile
[08:00] <jemfinch> sheesh, the Plone package in universal is over a year old!
[08:01] <paulproteus> universal?
[08:01] <paulproteus> Oh, universe.
[08:01] <jemfinch> yeah, that.
[08:01] <jemfinch> 20030909
[08:01] <|QuaD|> i just spent 5 hours waiting for qemu to install win2k3 and now it won't boot "A Disk Read Error Occured"!!!! I am upset
[08:01] <jemfinch> that's the date on it.
[08:02] <jemfinch> it's 1.0.5, when Plone is already up to 2.0.5.
[08:02] <jemfinch> looks like I'll be installing by hand, then.
[08:02] <|QuaD|> whats plone?
[08:03] <hyrcan> not surprising...Debian is about stability not new and fancy...but that doesn't mean you can't get the new stuff
[08:03] <hyrcan> check this one out Jemfinch:  http://plone.org/downloads/debian/view?searchterm=debian
[08:04] <hyrcan>   deb http://nathan.faho.rwth-aachen.de/debian/zope/ ./
[08:04] <hyrcan>   apt-get install plone
[08:06] <jemfinch> doesn't work.
[08:06] <jemfinch> anyway, I can just install from scratch, it's no big deal.
[08:07] <interesado> Hi?
[08:07] <hyrcan> oh yeah...thats right there;s something odd with the way ubuntu's deb works...which is damn annoying...you can DL the packages and dpkg -i them... but thats a pain too... :(
[08:08] <interesado> i don't know if this is the place to go...
[08:08] <hyrcan> nope this is the place...
[08:08] <hyrcan> ;)
[08:09] <interesado> to make a question about a Trident Cyber9525 video card configuration
[08:09] <hyrcan> when as long it's about the configuration of that card in Ubuntu then you stand a chance
[08:09] <hyrcan> when==well
[08:10] <interesado> thanks
[08:10] <interesado> i'm using the XF86Config file that worked fine on SuSE Linux 9.1
[08:11] <interesado> and i've the same problem
[08:11] <interesado> a band of interferences in the down side of the screen
[08:12] <hyrcan> um.... that doesn't sound like a linux problem....what kind of interference?  what does it look like?
[08:12] <interesado> forgive me
[08:12] <interesado> i'm spanish and my english is not too good
[08:12] <interesado> i'll try to explain as good as i can
[08:13] <interesado> everything looks fine
[08:13] <hyrcan> thats quite ok... my english isn't that good either...and I'm american ;)
[08:13] <interesado> haha
[08:13] <interesado> ok :-)
[08:13] <jml> g'day.
[08:14] <jml> are there any docs on dual booting mac os x and ubuntu ppc?
[08:14] <far_away> do americans speak english? i thought they spoke american :P
[08:14] <interesado> but in the down side, you can see as when there's no channel tuned in a TV
[08:15] <far_away> 'sup! <-- not english :P (pun intended)
[08:15] <|trey|> far_away: hate to ruin your day, but people in England say "sup" too  :/
[08:15] <interesado> it's height is about 1 inch
[08:15] <hyrcan> hmm....did you get it to work under suse?  or windows?
[08:16] <|trey|> interesado: trident driver I presume? using warty or hoary?
[08:16] <interesado> yes, it's trident driver
[08:16] <|trey|> hyrcan: apparently it worked with suse, else why would he try that config file?
[08:16] <interesado> it works fine on SuSE
[08:16] <|trey|> interesado: thats what I'm using, mine if fine... using hoary/xorg
[08:16] <far_away> |trey|, shhhh........ :)
[08:16] <interesado> and on Windows, yes
[08:16] <hyrcan> ahh...yes...I see now...
[08:17] <|QuaD|> i am sooo sad my qemu didn't work
[08:17] <interesado> i've seen this same problem in others distributions
[08:17] <|trey|> |QuaD|: zsnez works...
[08:17] <|QuaD|> whats that
[08:17] <|trey|> Nintendo emulator...
[08:17] <interesado> only SuSE do the job OK
[08:17] <|QuaD|> haha... i wish nintendo could run win2k3 :)
[08:18] <interesado> but i want to stay with Ubuntu
[08:18] <|QuaD|> interesado: setting up xserver?
[08:18] <|trey|> |QuaD|: yes, try to follow along  ;)
[08:18] <|QuaD|> |trey|: LOL
[08:18] <|QuaD|> interesado: mine wouldn't work from suse.... yast fubars it up
[08:19] <|trey|> interesado: just for shits, type: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' at a terminal
[08:19] <|trey|> |QuaD|: I actually find that hard to believe... Fedora and SuSE have the best hardware support I have seen... and that includes for XP etc...
[08:19] <|QuaD|> |trey|: it worked fine on suse
[08:20] <|QuaD|> just not as a standard xorg conf file
[08:20] <|trey|> |QuaD|: umm, then you lost me  :/
[08:20] <|QuaD|> for some reason
[08:20] <interesado> i've tried with other depths of color
[08:20] <|trey|> |QuaD|: SUSE 9.2?
[08:20] <interesado> sometimes it worked
[08:20] <|QuaD|> |trey|: when i used suse.... it ran fine, with nice hardware detection
[08:20] <|QuaD|> |trey|: 9.2
[08:20] <interesado> on an old RedHat 6.1
[08:20] <discharge> /etc/modutils/aliases - "Uncomment the network protocols you don't want loaded", i uncomment the one for ipv6, run update-modules, but ipv6 still loads at boot
[08:20] <discharge> how would i disable that module from loading?
[08:20] <|QuaD|> when you look at the config file, it made no sense (maybe thats cuz i use dual monitors)
[08:21] <|trey|> |QuaD|: yes. suse's config file does look a little intimidating compared to others...
[08:21] <wmealing_> ok.. so I've burnt the CD, the md5sum matches ppc , hold down the C key, cd doesnt boot.. ive reset the PRAM, any ideas ?
[08:21] <interesado> i'm going to try the dpkg -reconfigure...
[08:22] <wmealing_> i've had this system boot fedora-ppc, which doesnt have a boot.iso right now
[08:22] <|trey|> interesado: ugh, no space
[08:22] <|QuaD|> |trey|: i noticed it wasn't standard... tried using it with ubuntu and it wouldn't work
[08:22] <|QuaD|> had to do it from scratch
[08:22] <|QuaD|> most suse configs were like that
[08:22] <sn0n> howdy all
[08:22] <|QuaD|> (the ones that yast touched)
[08:22] <sn0n> this is honestly the best live CD i've used
[08:23] <|QuaD|> sn0n: :)
[08:23] <sn0n> (but im still an Arch user)  :-p
[08:23] <|QuaD|> sn0n: i have an idea
[08:23] <sn0n> not quite convinced   ;-)
[08:23] <|QuaD|> if it is so great, install it on your comp :)
[08:23] <sn0n> there are a few problems
[08:23] <sn0n> 1) lack of a GOOD gtk ftp client
[08:24] <|trey|> sn0n: Arch kinda sucked last I tried it... most software is out of date... and it made me do too much to get a working system  :
[08:24] <wmealing_> anyone , ppc  boot issue ?
[08:24] <sn0n> 2) gimp just dont do it for me.. i need my fireworks
[08:24] <|QuaD|> sn0n: gFTP
[08:24] <sn0n> trey: i'm loving arch.. been using it for about 3 months now..
[08:24] <sn0n> gFTP is a joke of a ftp client
[08:24] <sn0n> why does noone see that
[08:24] <|QuaD|> what do you use?
[08:25] <|trey|> sn0n: lftp  :/
[08:25] <sn0n> when im on windows, smartFTP or Winscp
[08:25] <sn0n> on linux nothing. just gnome-network
[08:25] <|trey|> sn0n: no one gives a fuck about Windoze...
[08:25] <|QuaD|> gFTP isnice
[08:25] <|trey|> |QuaD|: it does basic stuff, but nice?
[08:25] <|QuaD|> its nicer then any windows one i used (when i switched 4 years ago)
[08:25] <sn0n> gFTP is kinda 'clunky'... dont know howto describe it better
[08:25] <|QuaD|> |trey|: yeah, simple
[08:26] <|QuaD|> is lftp gtk?
[08:26] <|trey|> |QuaD|: nope...
[08:26] <sn0n> isnt lftp a command line ?
[08:26] <|trey|> |QuaD|: its a REAL ftp client  :/
[08:26] <sn0n> heh
[08:26] <Klowner_> lftp is nice
[08:26] <Klowner_> ncftp is decent too
[08:26] <|QuaD|> heh... i don't really use ftp often
[08:26] <[BTM] gee> gftp!
[08:26] <sn0n> and let me guess... REAL men dont use GUI's cept to look at porn ?
[08:26] <|QuaD|> lftp=ncurses atleast?
[08:27] <|QuaD|> sn0n: i use about 45% gui
[08:27] <|trey|> sn0n: I have yet to find another good use for them  :/
[08:27] <sn0n> hehehe
[08:27] <Klowner_> sn0n: pfft, no.. real men view porn using svgalib
[08:27] <sn0n> lol
[08:27] <Klowner_> ;)
[08:27] <|trey|> Klowner_: love to see you play a mpeg with that...
[08:27] <sn0n> roflao
[08:27] <crimsun> so that's why svgalib was fixed so quickly when the mmap semantics changed with 2.6.9
[08:28] <Klowner_> |trey|: heh, you don't miss a frame
[08:28] <Klowner_> rofl crimsun
[08:28] <|trey|> Klowner_: blah... it sucked for me, guess I was doing something wrong  :/
[08:28] <sn0n> lol
[08:28] <|trey|> Probably cuz mplayer was compiled to use X though  :/
[08:29] <Klowner_> lol I was kidding
[08:29] <Klowner_> although it sounds as if you've actually tried it..
[08:29] <|trey|> Klowner_: I so wasn't... GUI's annoy me  :/
[08:29] <|trey|> Klowner_: *nods*
[08:29] <Klowner_> heheheh
[08:29] <sn0n> i started computers in the dos days.. but more and more i find myself a hybrid gui/shell user..
[08:30] <sn0n> and ftp is one of the things i like to do from a gui client..
[08:30] <|trey|> SvenG: beats rapping some random chick  :/
[08:30] <sn0n> lol
[08:30] <|QuaD|> sn0n: ok?
[08:31] <interesado> thanks for all, i'll continue trying
[08:31] <sn0n> QuaD: i still cant find a decent gui ftp client :-p
[08:31] <sn0n> (Linux based. i know of many decent windows ones)
[08:31] <rattboi> how do I get my old kernel config into the new kernel config?
[08:31] <|QuaD|> i don't know of a singel good windows ones
[08:31] <|QuaD|> as i said before gftp is just as good
[08:31] <|QuaD|> what does it not do
[08:31] <rattboi> cp /boot/config-* /usr/src/kernel-source/ ?
[08:32] <far_away> |QuaD|, try smartftp, for kicks
[08:32] <Klowner_> ls_ftp is decent in windows.. well, it works
[08:32] <Agrajag> put your old config at .config in the top of the kernel source tree and do "make oldconfig"
[08:32] <Klowner_> I use shell anyway
[08:32] <|trey|> rattboi: kinda, file must be ".config" though...
[08:32] <sn0n> SmartFTP and WinSCP are two AWESOME programs..
[08:32] <|QuaD|> i rarely use it, when i do, i use the horrible standard ftp client
[08:32] <sn0n> and unfortunately gFTP comes nowhere close..
[08:32] <|QuaD|> sn0n: you didn't answer my question, what doesn't itt do
[08:32] <|trey|> sn0n: I already told you, no one gives a fuck about winblows.
[08:33] <sn0n> its interface is clunky
[08:33] <sn0n> sure we do..
[08:33] <SvenG> sn0n: ncftp is your friend!
[08:33] <|trey|> sn0n: then fix it... but shut up either way.
[08:33] <|QuaD|> sn0n: and these are bloated
[08:33] <sn0n> :: googles ncftp ::
[08:33] <sn0n> they arent..
[08:33] <sn0n> winscp is lightweight
[08:33] <|trey|> SvenG: he wants a GUI  :/
[08:33] <OZ8AAZ> moin, theine...
[08:33] <sn0n> hell.. smartftp is too
[08:33] <rattboi> Agrajag: can I use menuconfig instead?
[08:33] <|QuaD|> sn0n: gftp is lightweight compared to any windows app
[08:33] <|QuaD|> what do gftp NOT DO
[08:34] <Agrajag> rattboi: sure, after you do oldconfig.
[08:34] <supergear> cuteftp is good
[08:34] <|trey|> sn0n: seriously dude, if they don't run with wine at least, you need to shut up about these apps  :/
[08:34] <crimsun> it's doesn't make me toast, |QuaD|.
[08:34] <|QuaD|> (plus smartftp isn't free)
[08:34] <|QuaD|> crimsun: lol
[08:34] <sn0n> uhmmm.. they do run in wine  :-p
[08:34] <rattboi> Agrajag: when I did oldconfig, it started asking a lot of questions I didn't know the answer to
[08:34] <supergear> why run ftp apps in wine?
[08:34] <Agrajag> rattboi: just hit enter, it will choose the default.
[08:34] <|QuaD|> but they aren't free
[08:34] <crimsun> rattboi: if you're not sure, select the default
[08:34] <supergear> why not just use windows?
[08:34] <sn0n> yes they are
[08:34] <crimsun> yeah, what Agrajag said.
[08:34] <sn0n> http://winscp.sf.net/
[08:34] <|QuaD|> supergear: he si toooooo l33t
[08:34] <sn0n> FREE
[08:35] <|QuaD|> they are closed source
[08:35] <sn0n> http://smartftp.com/
[08:35] <sn0n> FREE
[08:35] <sn0n> winscp is opensource
[08:35] <|trey|> sn0n: they provide source code? great, get them to port to Windows...
[08:35] <|QuaD|> closed source = non free
[08:35] <|QuaD|> i am looking at smartftp
[08:35] <|trey|> to LInux*
[08:35] <sn0n> smartftp is closed source, freeware
[08:35] <supergear> or port it to Linux yourself
[08:35] <sn0n> but winscp is free  :-p
[08:35] <sn0n> AND OPENSOURCE
[08:35] <|QuaD|> sn0n: you still didn't answer me what they do that gftp doesn't
[08:36] <supergear> sn0n, why not just use windows?!?
[08:36] <|trey|> sn0n: get them to make a Linux port... we don't care  :/
[08:36] <paulproteus> What's the discussion about?
[08:36] <supergear> sn0n the Windows lover
[08:36] <supergear> :x
[08:36] <far_away> http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/ is opensource alright and is lovely too
[08:36] <|trey|> paulproteus: sn0n decided to troll about winblows apps  :/
[08:36] <|QuaD|> paulproteus: sn0n doesn't like gftp, wants a gtk ftp client, but can't say what he needs that gftp doesn't offer
[08:36] <sn0n> lol
[08:37] <sn0n> nothing wrong with windows :-D
[08:37] <supergear> then goto #windows and leave your linux chans :P
[08:37] <sn0n> gftp's interface is clunky, dont have drag -n- drop
[08:37] <|trey|> sn0n: true enough I guess... cept this is #ubuntu... so there is everything wrong with you talking about it here...
[08:37] <|QuaD|> sn0n = troll
[08:37] <supergear> use debian!
[08:37] <sn0n> but im on unbuntu live cd..  :-p   so i thought id come in here..
[08:37] <sn0n> lol
[08:38] <sn0n> im generally a ArchLinux user.. LoL
[08:38] <|trey|> |QuaD|: I think we already gathered that much...
[08:38] <|QuaD|> haha
[08:38] <|trey|> sn0n: you did... now you can leave... thanks
[08:38] <supergear> i use archlinux myself
[08:38] <sn0n> i love arch
[08:38] <supergear> tho I'm on SourceMage atm
[08:38] <supergear> ubuntu is good for a debian based distro
[08:39] <sn0n> last i tried it.. it didnt agree with me..
[08:39] <sn0n> lol
[08:39] <crimsun> I don't use ubuntu!
[08:39] <sn0n> sourcemage hated me.. LoL
[08:39] <rory__> lol
[08:39] <|QuaD|> do any of you guys use xampp?
[08:39] <|trey|> supergear: "for a Debian based distro"? wtf does that mean?
[08:39] <sn0n> means its a sub par distro but its top of the line for debian based
[08:39] <sn0n> i think is what he meant
[08:39] <sn0n> lol
[08:39] <supergear> |trey|, i tend to not like debian :P
[08:39] <|QuaD|> what is subpar?
[08:40] <supergear> didn't say it was subpar
[08:40] <sn0n> i'll admit.. its a nice ass livecd
[08:40] <|trey|> supergear: any reason? its package management is supperior to any distro I have used...
[08:40] <supergear> pacman be better :P
[08:40] <sn0n> pacman owns all package managers
[08:40] <sn0n> :-D
[08:40] <|QuaD|> pacman uses apt-get, no?
[08:40] <supergear> but apt is ok
[08:40] <supergear> |QuaD|, no
[08:40] <|trey|> supergear: pacman stalled and complained too much  :/
[08:40] <crimsun> |trey|: they're allowed to be wrong :P
[08:40] <calamari> besides the lack of a decent text editor and lack of support for bitmapped fonts, everything else in Ubuntu is awesome!
[08:41] <sn0n> pacman is coded from scratch with some philosophies of apt-get and others...
[08:41] <sn0n> :-p
[08:41] <|QuaD|> well, apt-get in ubuntu and debian is inhereintly more stable then pacman
[08:41] <sn0n> (from what i've read)
[08:41] <calamari> don't suggest text editors.. I think I've tried them all :)
[08:41] <oak> what is an example of a decent text editor? vi?
[08:41] <supergear> joe!
[08:41] <|trey|> supergear: slow servers, crap packages... nothing resembling order...
[08:41] <sn0n> calamari, whats a good one with Save to FTP?
[08:41] <sn0n> i LOVE joe
[08:41] <calamari> oak: windows textpad (oops :)
[08:41] <supergear> packages are ok
[08:41] <sn0n> :-D
[08:41] <sn0n> its my fav or all
[08:41] <Gmail> how do i enable open terminal in natuilus?
[08:42] <crimsun> besides right-click on the desktop and Open Terminal?
[08:42] <supergear> |trey|, gotta edit /etc/pacman.d/current|extra|unstable for faster servers
[08:42] <|trey|> supergear: packages are ok? umm, all pacman is is a package manager...
[08:42] <calamari> sn0n: huh? save to ftp?
[08:42] <wmealing_> anyone have any ideas why a Ibook g4 wont boot from the ubuntu CD ?
[08:42] <sn0n> yeah..
[08:42] <sn0n> save to ftp
[08:42] <sn0n> its a common feature of webbased language IDE's
[08:42] <sn0n> im not liking Zend Studio thou..
[08:43] <sn0n> its very clunky
[08:43] <calamari> sn0n: never heard of that before.. I used winscp.. gets the job done.. kinda annoying sometimes re: configuration
[08:43] <|QuaD|> sn0n: everything is clunky for you
[08:43] <|QuaD|> lol
[08:43] <rory__> lol
[08:43] <sn0n> yey!! another winscp user..
[08:43] <|QuaD|> are there any ops here?
[08:43] <sn0n> lol.. clunky is a good word
[08:43] <supergear> |QuaD|, obviously not, or sn0n been banned
[08:43] <Gmail> crimsun: i don't even have that
[08:43] <rory__> i use winscp...
[08:43] <sn0n> lol
[08:43] <|QuaD|> haha
[08:43] <calamari> sn0n: I have to say I like the way gftp looks better than winscp :P
[08:43] <sn0n> banned for?
[08:43] <|QuaD|> i figured maybe one was afk
[08:43] <crimsun> |QuaD|: yes, but they don't feel the need to flaunt their status.
[08:43] <supergear> trolling
[08:43] <|trey|> |QuaD|: if there were, like half the people talking right now would be kicked and/or sent to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:44] <sn0n> gftp is odd shaped.. to me..
[08:44] <supergear> gftp is good
[08:44] <wmealing_> use nautilus ftp
[08:44] <|QuaD|> ok... stop talking about ftp
[08:44] <|QuaD|> sn0n is clearly trolling
[08:44] <wmealing_> ok.. lets talk about why a ppc wont boot ?
[08:44] <wmealing_> anyone got any ideas ?
[08:44] <calamari> oh, I guess the other thing I need to work on is wine.. it doesn't like me right now for some reason
[08:44] <supergear> I don't have a PPC
[08:45] <|QuaD|> wmealing_: sorry x86 here
[08:45] <|QuaD|> anyone here use qemu?
[08:45] <wmealing_> hold down C while boot.. but not now.. don tknow why
[08:45] <wmealing_> |Quad| yes,\
[08:45] <calamari> quad: I used it in windows
[08:45] <Gmail> can i be unbaned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:45] <sn0n> im not trolling..
[08:45] <far_away> calamari, try crossover-office
[08:45] <calamari> far_away: that costs $ tho, right?
[08:45] <sn0n> im not even saying 'everyone get back on windows,'
[08:45] <|QuaD|> wmealing_: you know why it would say "A disk read error occured" and won't boot?
[08:45] <supergear> crossover cost money :|
[08:46] <sn0n> im just talkin about ftp clients and their clunkyness
[08:46] <|QuaD|> sn0n: this channel is for ubuntu and ubuntu related topics. That is not our concern
[08:46] <|trey|> |QuaD|: What do you plan to use it for?
[08:46] <|QuaD|> win2k3
[08:46] <|QuaD|> thats probably why
[08:46] <crimsun> sn0n: well, that's an issue of preference. Personally lftp and ncftp under Ubuntu (and obviously other UNIX-like OSes) work just fine.
[08:47] <sn0n> sure it is
[08:47] <|trey|> sn0n: trolling = annoying and repetitious discussion that no one wants to read.
[08:47] <sn0n> unbuntu's ftp client sucks!  :-D
[08:47] <|QuaD|> just everyone ignore him
[08:47] <|trey|> |QuaD|: ahh... doubtful you will pull that off...
[08:47] <|QuaD|> should i try xp?
[08:48] <|QuaD|> i need to run one of the 2
[08:48] <sn0n> Quad: yes.. try it.. come to the dark side..
[08:48] <supergear> vmware
[08:48] <|trey|> |QuaD|: should try something a little older than ntfs  :/
[08:48] <sn0n> ill even host a website for you.. and your trip into win'
[08:48] <supergear> vmware for 2K/XP/2k3
[08:48] <|QuaD|> |trey|: i need iis with asp.net
[08:48] <sn0n> use mod_mono
[08:48] <|trey|> supergear: I have a free lisense for w2k, xp, and virtual pc if I ever get around to it  :)
[08:48] <|QuaD|> supergear: wanna pay for the license?
[08:49] <|QuaD|> i do too... MSDAA :)
[08:49] <|trey|> uhh, w2k3*
[08:49] <supergear> |QuaD|, warez my friend :P (no)
[08:49] <|QuaD|> also a office, etc
[08:49] <sn0n> pay? license? why dont you keygen and steal the shit?
[08:49] <|trey|> |QuaD|: 8)
[08:49] <|QuaD|> supergear: since i turned to linux, i don't do warez
[08:49] <|QuaD|> no point
[08:49] <|QuaD|> haven't needed it for anything
[08:49] <|trey|> sn0n: who said pay?  I don't pay for software... but I don't steal it either...
[08:49] <sn0n> lol
[08:49] <|QuaD|> |trey|: thats my philosophy
[08:50] <sn0n> damn liberals and their free software philosophy..
[08:50] <sn0n> lol
[08:50] <supergear> i only warezed  vmware and crossover
[08:50] <|QuaD|> i have been tempted
[08:50] <supergear> but not really use them much
[08:50] <|QuaD|> a while ago (in sept) i tried vmware
[08:50] <|QuaD|> but couldn't find a key
[08:50] <|QuaD|> i don't want to though
[08:50] <supergear> bitorrent!
[08:50] <sn0n> i have a windows & linux super keygen
[08:50] <|trey|> supergear: I used to be a warez kiddie... then I grew up  :/
[08:50] <sn0n> (for vmware)
[08:50] <crimsun> I warezed the Linux kernel from SCO.
[08:50] <sn0n> lol crimsun
[08:50] <supergear> me too
[08:51] <|QuaD|> |trey|: exactly... i found linux
[08:51] <|trey|> |QuaD|: :)
[08:51] <supergear> I don't use warez anymore tho
[08:51] <sn0n> hehe.
[08:51] <supergear> I can live w/o windows apps
[08:51] <sn0n> anyone can.
[08:52] <calamari> one thing I did to wean myself off windows apps was to always put "gnu" in my searches when I needed a new app
[08:52] <|QuaD|> supergear: yeah... i need asp.net for a class
[08:52] <|QuaD|> calamari: lol
[08:52] <calamari> or spl
[08:52] <calamari> gpl
[08:52] <sn0n> QuaD: did you TRY mod_mono ?
[08:52] <supergear> |QuaD|, install *gasp* windows
[08:52] <|trey|> calamari: you go onto the internet?  I just use apt-cache search  :/
[08:52] <calamari> hehe
[08:53] <sn0n> http://go-mono.net/
[08:53] <|QuaD|> supergear: i have a legal copy of that
[08:53] <supergear> |QuaD|, then install it :P
[08:53] <supergear> I have legal copy of 2K3
[08:53] <|QuaD|> supergear: i have a legal copy of any ms software including a lot of betas
[08:53] <supergear> just not of XP
[08:53] <|QuaD|> i have 2k3
[08:53] <supergear> as do i
[08:53] <sn0n> i have legal versions of windows back to 95 and up to 2k3 (all fully paid for/ non-trials even)  :-p
[08:53] <supergear> tho i won't install it
[08:54] <sn0n> damn.. you guys are doin a great job at ignoring me.. LoL
[08:54] <supergear> windows gives me headaches
[08:54] <Gmail> OMG gnome really stuffed up after install 8 new themes
[08:54] <Gmail> sn0n: they do the same to me
[08:54] <calc> sn0n: thanks :)
[08:54] <|QuaD|> supergear: thats why i am doing it in qemu :)
[08:54] <supergear> I'm compiling Gnome atm
[08:54] <sn0n> GMail; what themes.. im lookin for a new one..UCLinux is getting old..
[08:54] <calamari> windows 98 is halfway usable, xp is just crap
[08:55] <crimsun> I like Human just fine :)
[08:55] <|QuaD|> calamari: i like 2k
[08:55] <calc> calamari: funny :)
[08:55] <supergear> 2K is good
[08:55] <sn0n> or was it nclinux
[08:55] <sn0n> i cant remember
[08:55] <supergear> 2k3 is good too
[08:55] <calc> back when win98 was around it would crash for me 4-5 times a day (from what i recall_
[08:55] <supergear> for MS
[08:55] <|QuaD|> i like a clean linux system better then any windows
[08:55] <|^JaMeS^|> http://www.babytux.org/gallery/images/tuxbliss.png
[08:56] <rory__> whats wrong with xp?
[08:56] <supergear> 2k3 is more secure (not really) by default
[08:56] <novaburst> sn0n: i'm using Smooth Gorilla, Milk is kind of neat too
[08:56] <calamari> calc: I've really never had much problem with 98 crashing.  I don't install lots of weird hardware tho
[08:56] <calc> xp works fine, other than the ie/oe exploits ;)
[08:56] <sn0n> i like the milk with the half moon looking thing
[08:56] <rory__> well default doesnt really matter in a league like this
[08:56] <crimsun> ah, there's calc, our resident KDE defector
[08:56] <crimsun> =P
[08:56] <novaburst> sn0n: yeah, i think that is called Chrome Milk
[08:56] <calc> crimsun: :)
[08:56] <sn0n> yeah... something like that
[08:56] <calamari> the nice thing about 98 now is that it is no longer targeted so the security increased :)
[08:56] <rory__> and xp != ie/oe
[08:56] <supergear> well XP has everything turned on by default
[08:57] <paulproteus> Oh, hey calc-from-#debian-kde .
[08:57] <|QuaD|> i actually prefer kde
[08:57] <calc> rory__: ms claims ie is part of the os
[08:57] <supergear> IE is apart of windows
[08:57] <sn0n> heres my fav
[08:57] <sn0n> http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/ncltheme/
[08:57] <supergear> after win98
[08:57] <sn0n> its kinda gonna piss a few off..
[08:57] <sn0n> but i like it
[08:57] <calc> __keybuk: good morning
[08:58] <supergear> you can't remove IE from XP
[08:58] <supergear> or 2k
[08:58] <supergear> or 2k3
[08:58] <Keybuk> morning
[08:58] <rory__> ok, but you dont have to run IE or use any apps that use it
[08:58] <supergear> true
[08:58] <lijeesh> hello anyone interested in making money for just posting messages and ideas just register on the site and start yearning now http://www.javahive.com/index.php?ref=lijeesh (give referal as lijeesh)
[08:58] <crimsun> um.
[08:58] <|QuaD|> LOL
[08:58] <sn0n> lol
[08:58] <supergear> oh yall need a op to ban him
[08:59] <lijeesh> hello anyone interested in making money for just posting messages and ideas just register on the site and start yearning now http://www.javahive.com/index.php?ref=lijeesh (give referal as lijeesh)
[08:59] <|QuaD|> now whats worse.... some annoperson like sn0n or a spammer like lijeesh
[08:59] <calamari> sn0n: you might check out the Industrial theme.. quite nice
[08:59] <supergear> oh my spam flood
[08:59] <sn0n> lol
[08:59] <sn0n> im far worse
[08:59] <sn0n> :-D
[09:00] <sn0n> i should make my next gnome match QNX  :-D
[09:00] <sn0n> i LOVE'd the qnx desktop
[09:00] <crimsun> whee.
[09:00] <novaburst> sn0n: OpusOS is cool, i used that for awhile
[09:00] <sn0n> yeah.. i liked that too..
[09:01] <sn0n> i just wish i could do something more with the panels..
[09:01] <sn0n> they are always so ugly
[09:01] <sn0n> lol
[09:02] <|QuaD|> i wish i had my hosting provider setup
[09:02] <novaburst> check this out: http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8360
[09:03] <|QuaD|> i have an app i want to start using
[09:03] <|QuaD|> but i don't want to run an sql server here
[09:03] <sn0n> quad: what kinda hosting you need?
[09:03] <mbb> anyone know if there will be a day to day update, recap, etc of the Mataro goings-ons, for those of use who just dream of going there?
[09:03] <sn0n> thats a kinda radical style
[09:03] <sn0n> lol
[09:03] <novaburst> hehe, i know
[09:04] <sn0n> i never liked them 'flashy' themes thou
[09:04] <sn0n> they never feel usable
[09:04] <novaburst> true
[09:04] <Gmail> OMG UBUNTU CRASHED
[09:04] <sn0n> lol
[09:04] <|QuaD|> Gmail: no it didn't
[09:04] <novaburst> lol
[09:04] <|QuaD|> it wasn't ubuntu's fault
[09:04] <|QuaD|> lol
[09:04] <sn0n> did IT crash? or did KDE?
[09:04] <supergear> X crashed maybe
[09:05] <sn0n> cuz i know gnome dont crash ;-)
[09:05] <Gmail> count of times ubuntu ever crashed in the world: 1
[09:05] <supergear> gnome does crash
[09:05] <|QuaD|> Gmail: you are running hoary right?
[09:05] <sn0n> lol
[09:05] <sn0n> i've never had it crash on me..
[09:05] <Gmail> |QuaD|: heh the kernel crashed
[09:05] <|QuaD|> wow
[09:05] <|QuaD|> what did you do?
[09:05] <supergear> gnome apps crash i mean
[09:06] <Gmail> heh my swap umounted and my ram was totally being used
[09:06] <sn0n> ive only had firefox lag on me once.. but it pulled outta it..
[09:06] <Gmail> why the hell is everything umounting
[09:06] <|QuaD|> Gmail: why does everything keep umounting?
[09:06] <|QuaD|> wtf did you do?
[09:06] <supergear> rebooting?
[09:06] <Gmail> |QuaD|: no idea
[09:07] <|QuaD|> wow.... i hope i don't fubar my system likethat
[09:07] <supergear> things don't tend to umount themselves
[09:07] <Gmail> supergear: everything on my system was umounting don't know why
[09:07] <|QuaD|> Gmail: maybe its cuz you keep typing umount?
[09:07] <Gmail> my home partion was umounting like every 30sec for awhile
[09:08] <Gmail> |QuaD|: no
[09:08] <|QuaD|> Gmail: you sure?
[09:08] <|QuaD|> i don't believe you
[09:08] <Gmail> |QuaD|: i am sure
[09:08] <supergear> someone h4x0ring you?
[09:08] <|QuaD|> supergear: its me!
[09:08] <supergear> sn0rn got bored
[09:09] <|QuaD|> everyonewas ignoring him
[09:09] <Gmail> supergear: no ports open
[09:09] <supergear> sure you got some
[09:09] <supergear> irc port
[09:09] <|QuaD|> ogra, stub, pitti, and carlos all have the same ip
[09:09] <|QuaD|> Gmail: are you on a bnc?
[09:10] <Gmail> supergear: yes only open to the server i am suing
[09:10] <|QuaD|> supergear: doesn't accept incoming connections
[09:10] <supergear> you're suing the server?!?!?!
[09:10] <supergear> :P
[09:10] <Gmail> lol
[09:10] <Gmail> supergear: yes only open to the server i am using
[09:11] <|QuaD|> what are ubuntu releases named after?
[09:11] <|QuaD|> cprov is also on that ip
[09:12] <supergear> why so many clones?
[09:12] <|QuaD|> i wonder
[09:12] <|QuaD|> are they official bots?
[09:12] <supergear> no idea
[09:12] <|QuaD|> why are there never any ops when you need them
[09:12] <supergear> bots usually get @
[09:12] <|QuaD|> true
[09:12] <Gmail> report them to #freenode
[09:13] <|QuaD|> Gmail: what if they are official?
[09:13] <lamont_r> |QuaD|: it's a conference with a NAT'ed IP..
[09:14] <lamont_r> |QuaD|: random animals, basically
[09:14] <|QuaD|> ahh :)
[09:14] <|QuaD|> random animals?
[09:14] <|QuaD|> what conference
[09:14] <lamont_r> warthog, hedgehog, groundhog, penguin
[09:14] <lamont_r> ubuntu conf in mataro spain
[09:14] <|QuaD|> oh ;)
[09:14] <|QuaD|> hehe
[09:15] <|QuaD|> lamont: awesome... how many people went?
[09:15] <|QuaD|> is there a schedule of stuff up?
[09:16] <Gmail> |QuaD|: the only offical bot there is, is chanserv nickserv...
[09:17] <|QuaD|> :)
[09:17] <lamont_r> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Conference
[09:18] <|QuaD|> just found it :)
[09:18] <|QuaD|> you there?
[09:19] <lamont_r> all the <IP_ADDRESS> nick's are.. :_0
[09:19] <paulproteus> I'm here. ;)
[09:19] <|QuaD|> nice
[09:19] <|QuaD|> how is it
[09:19] <carlos> |QuaD|: Ubuntu conference
[09:19] <lamont_r> |QuaD|: starting. :_
[09:19] <lamont_r> :-)
[09:19] <|QuaD|> :)
[09:21] <EfaistOs> hi
[09:21] <EfaistOs> why the pkg unrar-nonfree is not available ?
[09:22] <whiprush> it's in multiverse
[09:24] <EfaistOs> whiprush, multiverse must me add after universe ?
[09:24] <|QuaD|> if i want to back up a directory weekly, how would i do that?
[09:24] <whiprush> yeah, you can put it there.
[09:24] <paulproteus> Oui, c'est different que "universe" parce que "universe" a seulement le logiciel libre.
[09:24] <whiprush> after that apt-get update and you should see it
[09:24] <|QuaD|> paulproteus: uh huh
[09:25] <paulproteus> EfaistOs: Alors, Tu dois ajouter multiverse.  On peut en lire sur le wiki, je crois.
[09:25] <|QuaD|> paulproteus: (i actually have no idea what you said, but i tried to make it seem like i did)
[09:26] <paulproteus> (EfaistOs, si tu me comprends il serait outil de le dire, ou de remercier. ;)
[09:26] <EfaistOs> thanks paulproteus
[09:27] <paulproteus> De rien. :)
[09:27] <paulproteus> |QuaD|: Check out /etc/cron.weekly
[09:28] <[BTM] gee> how do i change my hz? can only choose 60
[09:28] <|QuaD|> paulproteus: i should put a script in there?
[09:29] <paulproteus> |QuaD|: Yup.  All files in there run once weekly.  See /etc/crontab for a hint of more help.
[09:29] <|QuaD|> hehe ok
[09:30] <|QuaD|> hmmm... i need to learn how to do more with cr0n
[09:30] <[BTM] gee> someone that can help me out?
 am i evil?
 i am did a few edit on some isp dns servers
 pointed search.msn.com to google.com
 and microsoft.com to ubuntulinux.org
[09:31] <|QuaD|> LOL
[09:31] <[BTM] gee> :)
[09:31] <Gmail> i think i am a good guy
[09:31] <[BTM] gee> you are..
[09:31] <|QuaD|> can you tell em the isps?
[09:31] <[BTM] gee> gmail can you help me out with a minor problem
[09:32] <Agrajag> great, now when people go to windowsupdate.microsoft.com they'll be unabel to update their insecure OS and thus be at risk of becoming part of a botnet
[09:32] <Agrajag> GOOD JOB
[09:32] <Agrajag> why don't you change it back and stop raging against the machine
[09:32] <ctd> Gmail: I hope your only implying your local area network..
[09:32] <ctd> Gmail: Wouldn't want angry clients ringing you up. :)
[09:33] <Gmail> heh its the isp my uncul is a network admin of and let me do those changes
[09:33] <ctd> Gmail: Knowing you did it?
[09:34] <ctd> Gmail: That wouldn't be good for his job.
[09:34] <Gmail> yes
[09:34] <Gmail> heh
[09:34] <Gmail> tsn internet btw was the isp
[09:34] <[BTM] gee> how do i change my hz? can only choose 60
[09:34] <[BTM] gee> someone that can help me out?
[09:34] <ctd> Gmail: tsn.. as in the australian one?
[09:34] <paulproteus> [BTM] gee: The problem is Linux seems to have under-detected your monitor's capacities.
[09:35] <EfaistOs> [BTM] gee, ask your question
[09:35] <[BTM] gee> yepp heh
[09:35] <[BTM] gee> how do i change the hz then...
[09:37] <Gmail> look everyone poseidon__ greeted us
[09:37] <Gmail> bash him lol
[09:37] <poseidon__> hi guyz, is there anyway to make apt-get not use cdrom as it's .deb source but download from internet instead?
[09:37] <daniels> Gmail: dude.  settle down.  ok?
[09:37] <supergear> paulproteus, ok Mr Picard
[09:37] <far_away> [BTM] gee, pop in the livecd and save the xf86config file. then copy only the mode lines to your current xf86config. now you should be able to set a higher Hz. worked for me
[09:37] <Agrajag> poseidon__: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the line regarding the CDROM
[09:38] <poseidon__> Agrajag: ok.. thanks :)
[09:40] <ctd> Gmail: I think your stupid too.
[09:41] <Gmail> ctd: who in this channel isn't?
[09:41] <paulproteus> poseidon__: Easiest way is to uncheck the CDROM in Synaptic.
[09:42] <poseidon__> paulproteus, i see.. i find apt-get to be more friendly hehe :)
[09:42] <poseidon__> erm.. gtg now
[09:42] <poseidon__> ciaoo
[09:43] <tommie_> you know when you save your current setup in the log out menu, well how do I delete the current one, cause it loads up every time i log in
[09:43] <Gwildor> Tomcat_, just save a new one, how you want it to load
[09:44] <Gwildor> err last post to tommie_
[09:44] <tommie_> hehe :) Is there a file that I can delete though?
[09:44] <Gwildor> oh....idk
[09:44] <tommie_> I'll do that though
[09:44] <Gwildor> :)
[09:45] <paulproteus> Close everything, then do "save session"?
[09:54] <wfx> morning all ;-)
[09:56] <far_away> morning wfx, i am standing in for 'all' :)
[09:57] <wfx> :)
[10:01] <cowbud> morning
[10:05] <far_away> morning cowbud
[10:05] <wfx> morning cowbud :) and to the land far far away from here
[10:05] <rattboi> what's the difference between linux-source and kernel-source?
[10:05] <cowbud> haha
[10:07] <Keybuk> rattboi: kernel-source is the Debian 2.4 kernel package, linux-source is the Ubuntu 2.6 kernel package
[10:08] <rattboi> but I got kernel-source 2.6.9 first
[10:08] <cowbud> the truth shall be revealed to all who wait..
[10:08] <ChibiFS> kernel-source is from debian, linux-source is from ubuntu
[10:08] <rattboi> now I'm getting linux-source 2.6.9
[10:08] <bassinboy> Wee
[10:08] <bassinboy> does unbuntu use anything besides gnome?
[10:09] <ChibiFS> You can make it, if you'd like. But it's purpose is supporting gnome/gtk
[10:09] <ChibiFS> I use XFCE4.2 on it.
[10:10] <calc> is ubuntu supposed to have a libstdc++.so.60 instead of a libstdc++.so.6 ?
[10:11] <rattboi> I got the linux-source deb from synaptic, but I don't see it installed anything
[10:11] <rattboi> nvmd
[10:11] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: cool, got a screenshot?
[10:12] <ChibiFS> Heh. Just a minute. :P
[10:13] <_mp> Kamion: are you around?
[10:13] <ChibiFS> http://studiochibico.com/xfce/Xfce-dusk.png That's not a full screen screenshot, just for a gtk theme I did.
[10:14] <bassinboy> Cool theme, can i have it? heh
[10:15] <ChibiFS> Needs the gtk-xfce engine installed, http://studiochibico.com/xfce/Xfce-dusk.tar.gz
[10:15] <ChibiFS> http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37 And you can get the recent xfce4.2 builds here. D:
[10:16] <ChibiFS> You don't need to follow those instructions directly, you know how to add repositories to apt, right? :P
[10:17] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: Actually i'm on gentoo running xfce<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:17] <ChibiFS> Ah. Haha, silly me. :P
[10:18] <ChibiFS> How's gentoo treating ya?
[10:18] <Tsjoklat> ChibiFS nice work
[10:18] <ChibiFS> http://studiochibico.com/working/xfce.png n.n
[10:18] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: Greatest preforance out of any OS i've ever seen. But of course, ubuntu is the only distro i haven't tried ;)
[10:20] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: Meh, how exactly do i install your theme?
[10:20] <paulproteus> ChibiFS: With XFCE, does the automounting stuff happen as usual?
[10:20] <paulproteus> And can you use things like the GNOME Control Center?
[10:20] <bluewheel> is anyone in here running ubuntu on PPC ?
[10:20] <paulproteus> bluewheel: Right here - iBook G4.
[10:20] <ChibiFS> Ubuntu is Debian, optimized for Gnome/386. You'll notice a major performance loss versus gentoo. :/
[10:20] <Agrajag> ChibiFS: bull
[10:21] <Agrajag> I used to run gentoo, this isn't any slower
[10:21] <ChibiFS> Put it in ~/.themes or /usr/share/themes?
[10:21] <paulproteus> ChibiFS: Not so fast - Debian for i386 is faster than most custom-compiled Gentoo setups.
[10:21] <Agrajag> certainly not noticeably
[10:21] <jordi> ChibiFS: err, oh, yeah, a *major* performance loss.
[10:21] <bluewheel> paulproteus, cool :-) I just did a stock install and wanted to know if you got cpu frequency scaling to work out of the box or did you need to recompile the kernel ?
[10:21] <paulproteus> CPU frequency scaling?
[10:21] <paulproteus> That sounds like a neat trick.  I haven't looked into it, I'm afraid.
[10:21] <bluewheel> have not ok well I will have a play :-)
[10:22] <paulproteus> i386.
[10:22] <paulproteus> But CPU optimization has little to do with speed.
[10:23] <paulproteus> Programs run slow because they're big, not because they're doing crazy math that needs optimization.
[10:23] <Kamion> _mp: sort of; in a meeting at the conference
[10:23] <Kamion> Amaranth: my girlfriend has a 486 and very much wants to be able to run Ubuntu
[10:23] <Kamion> Amaranth: we do have some 486 users
[10:23] <Agrajag> paulproteus: well, mostly programs run slow due to I/O overhead
[10:23] <Amaranth> well, some programs can take advantage of MMX, SSE, etc
[10:23] <Kamion> Amaranth: in practice i586 makes very little difference for most code unless it has explicit support
[10:24] <_mp> Kamion: remember the "grub error 21" problem w/HPT370?
[10:24] <Amaranth> but appearing fast and actually running fast are two different things, i'd rather have the first one :)
[10:24] <Kamion> Amaranth: there's a facility in glibc to allow programs to do that without having to remove i386 support
[10:24] <Kamion> _mp: yeah
[10:24] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: i copied it to .themes, it doesn't show up in user interface
[10:25] <paulproteus> ChibiFS: You have little bandwidth.  Here's a mirror I've put up; I'll keep it up for at least a week, or however long you're interested - http://acm.jhu.edu/~paulproteus/mirror/chibico/xfce.png
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> hey Kamion
[10:25] <paulproteus> I have gobs of bandwidth at dot-jhu-dot-edu.
[10:26] <_mp> Kamion: in my case i have kind of solved it - hehe - started Ubuntu install on (hd1,0) and then installed another OS on (hd0,) - both HPT 370, - and then added Ubuntu in the other OS's grub, so now i am finishing the Ubuntu and can enjoy it hopefully in a ETA 22 min's after updating...
[10:27] <Kamion> _mp: can you add whatever new information you have to the bug report in bugzilla? I haven't really had a chance to sit down and think about that bug yet
[10:27] <_mp> Kamion: however, there were some FATL modprobe messages passing by - didn't fully read them..
[10:28] <_mp> Kamion: i will do..
[10:28] <Amaranth> _mp: probably the PCI hotplug modules failing
[10:28] <Amaranth> because your computer doesn't support PCI hotswapping
[10:28] <_mp> Amaranth: yes!
[10:29] <Amaranth> don't worry about it
[10:29] <_mp> Amaranth: do i need to take action?
[10:29] <Amaranth> nope
[10:29] <Amaranth> just ignore it
[10:29] <_mp> Amaranth: excellent, nice one...
[10:29] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: Cool, got your theme working. it likes it. is there a matching wm?
[10:30] <ChibiFS> You can use anything from gnome, paul. It's just a really light environment in GTK
[10:30] <ChibiFS> Agrajag - I'm speaking from slackware to ubuntu, not gentoo
[10:30] <ChibiFS> I've never used gentoo before, Ubuntu kicked my poor little laptop's arse, so I only use it on my server.
[10:30] <ChibiFS> The extra daemons Ubuntu/Debian run sorta hit it, too.
[10:30] <ChibiFS> 16 minutes against 5 minutes on my 586 laptop, ubuntu versus slack. :/
[10:30] <ChibiFS> For starting Mozilla.
[10:30] <ChibiFS> x_x
[10:30] <ChibiFS> Sorry, my IP got pushed just a minute ago.
[10:32] <ChibiFS> I didn't make a windowmanager theme for it, I usually just use whichever one has visible buttons. D:
[10:32] <rsfew> how to install modem driver on ubuntu live?
[10:32] <rsfew> i am new to linux
[10:33] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: just what i was thinking :)
[10:33] <rsfew> help
[10:33] <_mp> Amaranth: thx, btw! :-)
[10:34] <ChibiFS> The one I use with it is one of Olivier's unreleased xfwm4 themes, it's shiney, but he says we're not to spread it around.. So.. :/
[10:35] <bassinboy> :(
[10:35] <Lathiat> rsfew: What kind of modem is it (external or internal)
[10:36] <rsfew> internal modem
[10:36] <wfx> any hint why i have buffer underrun with k3b when i burn a cd (dvd works)
[10:36] <rsfew> how to install it?
[10:36] <Lathiat> rsfew: Thats tricky, you'll have to google for the model of it or something
[10:36] <Lathiat> rsfew: lspci might help identify what kind of modem it is
[10:36] <rsfew> i already had a linux driver for that modem
[10:37] <rsfew> it is smart link modem, i got the driver for linux, just need you to teach me some command
[10:37] <paulproteus> s/internal/infernal/
[10:37] <rattboi> http://paste.plone.org is down
[10:37] <rsfew> ??? i had no idea how to command except enter it in the terminal
[10:37] <rsfew> is it correct?
[10:37] <Gmail> crap when even i gksudo a program it comes up using a wirod gtk2 theme i never change it... why the hell
[10:38] <LiquidSnake> with what kind of applications do you burn cds on ubuntu?
[10:38] <rattboi> someone please check out my make errors and see if I'm an idiot somehow
[10:38] <rattboi> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/MB8WsG75.html
[10:38] <Lathiat> LiquidSnake: You use nautilus for data cds and isos
[10:38] <Amaranth> LiquidSnake: The best one is k3b.
[10:39] <LiquidSnake> as default intall i con not found anyone
[10:39] <Lathiat> LiquidSnake: right click an iso to burn it
[10:39] <LiquidSnake> ok
[10:39] <Amaranth> But k3b is a KDE app, not a GNOME one so including it would look bad. :P
[10:39] <Lathiat> LiquidSnake: or go places->cd creator for making a cd of files
[10:39] <LiquidSnake> i was searching for xdcroast or gtoaster
[10:39] <Lathiat> LiquidSnake: you copy/paste (drag/drop) into there then select write to cd from the menu
[10:39] <Amaranth> i believe it'll be the first cd burning app that doesn't use cdrecord
[10:41] <wfx> Amaranth: which one does not use cdrecord?
[10:41] <LiquidSnake> lol
[10:41] <rattboi> please, someone check out why I can't make this
[10:41] <Amaranth> wfx: coaster, i hope
[10:41] <LiquidSnake> its windows like
[10:41] <rattboi> it's fbsplash
[10:41] <LiquidSnake> hrhrhr
[10:41] <LiquidSnake> nice ditro
[10:41] <LiquidSnake> nice distro
[10:41] <rattboi> Im trying to get the boot splash working
[10:42] <LiquidSnake> good chice for my mothers work
[10:42] <LiquidSnake> good choice for my mothers work
[10:42] <wfx> cd burning does not work for me (at this time but how know how long :-)
[10:42] <rattboi> I'm following this debian guide, but I'm getting a lot (lot) of errors during compile, so it must be something stupid
[10:43] <Amaranth> coaster uses libburn, woohoo
[10:43] <rory__> nah thats normal...
[10:43] <far_away> i wonder why there's hardly anyone at #mepis
[10:43] <cowbud> Amaranth: nautilus-burn-cd doesn't use cdrecord :)
[10:43] <wfx> rattboi:  The 'linux' symlink does not exist!
[10:44] <wfx> oh sorry :)
[10:44] <rattboi> wfx, I fixed that first :P
[10:44] <Amaranth> cowbud: are you sure?
[10:44] <cowbud> Amaranth: pretty sure..
[10:45] <Ribs> How can I upgrade to a 2.6.9 kernel?
[10:45] <Ribs> What package do I need?
[10:45] <cowbud> Amaranth: hrmm though it is in the depends for the package....
[10:45] <cowbud> lame
[10:46] <Amaranth> it uses cdrecord
[10:46] <cowbud> bummer
[10:47] <Amaranth> bleh, i lost my page
[10:47] <rattboi> wfx: do you see anything else obvious?
[10:48] <melazyboy> Ribs: kernel-image-2.6.7.-1-<processer>
[10:48] <Tsjoklat> hey melazyboy
[10:48] <melazyboy> Ribs: if your using a pentium 2+ that would be kernel-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-686
[10:48] <melazyboy> Whats up Tsjoklat
[10:49] <Tsjoklat> nada melazyboy
[10:49] <Tsjoklat> shitty sunday/monday
[10:49] <melazyboy> Ekk sorry to hear that
[10:49] <Tsjoklat> how's TX treating you?
[10:49] <Amaranth> Ribs: You'll have to compile from source.
[10:49] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: I spent more money in the past two days on myself than in the past ... 6months ish
[10:50] <Ribs> What's the linux-image package about?
[10:50] <Ribs> That appears to have a 2.6.9 version
[10:50] <melazyboy> Amaranth: Why would he have to compile from source? the image is just that the default tree already compiled
[10:51] <Amaranth> melazyboy: Sure, but there isn't a package for anything higher then 2.6.8
[10:51] <Amaranth> just a kernel-tree-2.6.9
[10:52] <melazyboy> Amaranth: hrm i thought they just released 2.6.8 like uh last week i wonder why if there is a kernel tree for 2.6.9 there is no image for it
[10:52] <wfx> rattboi: have you pathc the kernel?
[10:52] <Amaranth> melazyboy: heh, 2.6.8 is old
[10:52] <Amaranth> 2.6.10 is almost out
[10:53] <HcE> 2.6.8 is broken ;)
[10:53] <melazyboy> Amaranth: Got me, my 2.6.8 is working A ok, i just want fglrx and xorg to work
[10:53] <melazyboy> HcE: Whats wrong with 2.6.8?
[10:53] <Ribs> 2.6.9 fixes some support problems for my hardware, so it's pretty vital I have it :)
[10:53] <Amaranth> Ribs: Have you ever compiled a kernel before?
[10:53] <Ribs> 2.6.8 had a typo in it :)
[10:53] <Ribs> <IP_ADDRESS> is the fixed version
[10:53] <HcE> melazyboy: nfs was broken in the first release, <IP_ADDRESS> corrected the issue
[10:53] <b_e_n_z> am i allowed to make some ubuntu cd's and sell them for profit?
[10:53] <Ribs> Amaranth: yes
[10:54] <rattboi> wfx, no but I'm seeing another problem
[10:54] <Amaranth> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 has instructions on how to make a package for a 2.4.x kernel
[10:54] <melazyboy> b_e_n_z: if you can gracefully dance with the wording
[10:54] <Amaranth> most of the stuff applies to 2.6.x kernels too
[10:54] <rattboi> I don't have linux/include/asm
[10:54] <Amaranth> just ignore the part about using SCSI emulation and having to convert your drive to ext3
[10:54] <Ribs> hrm, I think I'm lagged
[10:54] <b_e_n_z> melazyboy: meaning?
[10:55] <rattboi> I have asm-x86, asm-sparc, etc
[10:55] <Ribs> anyway, I *think* I've found a 2.6.9 package... Gonna reboot now. Wish me luck!
[10:55] <Gmail> hello world
[10:55] <melazyboy> b_e_n_z: You don't have the right to sell Ubuntu; with that said, nothing prevents you from selling a CD that just so happens to have Ubuntu on it, and your services for burning the CD.
[10:55] <w_a_s_t_e> hi
[10:56] <b_e_n_z> melazyboy: i got it
[10:56] <Gmail> w
[10:56] <Gmail> w_a_s_t_e: hey
[10:56] <Amaranth> hey, debian sid has 2.6.9 kernel packages
[10:56] <fabbione> so does hoary
[10:57] <Gmail> am285: thats is old
[10:57] <melazyboy> fabbione: They are talking about the image not tree.
[10:57] <fabbione> i am talking about the images
[10:57] <fabbione> <- did them
[10:57] <Gmail> Amaranth: i have been using it for a few days already
[10:57] <Amaranth> Gmail: the 2.6.9 sid packages work fine with ubuntu?
[10:57] <Gmail> Amaranth: uses the hoary ones
[10:58] <fabbione> Amaranth: install linux-image-2.6.9 on ubuntu
[10:58] <Amaranth> oh, linux image
[10:58] <Amaranth> bleh
[10:58] <Amaranth> i've been searching for kernel-image
[10:58] <Ribs> woo!
[10:58] <Ribs> I have sound
[10:58] <Ribs> and a 2.6.9 kernel :)
[10:58] <Gmail> Ribs: i don't have sound
[10:59] <melazyboy> Amaranth: Thats a good question, how come the naming scheme changed, that was also what i was searching for
[10:59] <Ribs> Gmail: I needed a 2.6.9 kernel to get sound
[10:59] <Ribs> Support for my card was only recently introduced.
[11:00] <w_a_s_t_e> anyone using php5 on ubuntu?
[11:00] <Gmail> Ribs: my one is support but still doesn't work
[11:00] <Ribs> ouch
[11:00] <calc> is there a wiki page that explains how to setup postfix to send email to a smarthost?
[11:00] <melazyboy> fabbione: How come linux-image and not kernel-image
[11:00] <poofyhair> I finally got hoary just how I want it
[11:01] <far_away> what's the advantage of using hoary?
[11:01] <sladen> calc: http://www.google.com/search?q=postfix+smarthost+howto
[11:01] <calc> ah nm dpkg-reconfigure -plow will do it automagically for me :)
[11:01] <poofyhair> I hope they fix the problems with k3b before the final release
[11:01] <melazyboy> far_away: your not using a 6month software
[11:02] <sladen> far_away: possibily negative, until it's released---unless you want to help test it
[11:02] <melazyboy> far_away: 6month old software*
[11:02] <poofyhair> advantage oh hoary: firefox 1, I help test it, I'm addicted to daily packages
[11:02] <Amaranth> ok, brb
[11:03] <calc> cool it looks like the postfix debconf is as good as the one for exim4
[11:03] <far_away> melazyboy, sladen, thanks... i get the picture...I thought it was much better or something...
[11:03] <melazyboy> Does the ubuntu-devel team ask that the users report when packages are out of date? or should we assume they know about it
[11:03] <sudoman> how does one use the hfsutils to mount a mac os x volume?
[11:03] <poofyhair> no. they might not know!
[11:03] <melazyboy> far_away: =D i didn't know if it was a change or not, when i do the search with linux-* im seeing 2.8s as well
[11:03] <poofyhair> tell them
[11:03] <sladen> sudoman: support should be in the kernel;  just mount it
[11:04] <melazyboy> poofyhair: through email or #ubuntu-devel?
[11:04] <paulproteus> sudoman: I think you just do
[11:04] <sudoman> sladen: thanks. how do I do that? I just installed this
[11:04] <paulproteus> mount /dev/whatever /mnt/location
[11:04] <paulproteus> Do you know its partition number, sudoman?
[11:04] <sudoman> sladen: man hfsutils works too..
[11:04] <sladen> melazyboy: file a bug on  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com  if something gets out of date
[11:05] <melazyboy> sudoman: just like paul said but with -t hfs option
[11:05] <sudoman> paulproteus: i don't know
[11:05] <poofyhair> email
[11:05] <sudoman> thanks y'all
[11:05] <poofyhair> yor post on forums
[11:05] <far_away> A general ./configure question... Suppose I have php running on my server, and I want to configure it with a new option. Do I just do the ./configure --options-go-here -> make -> make install again? do the old executables get overwritten or something?
[11:05] <fabbione> melazyboy, sladen
[11:05] <fabbione> melazyboy, sladen: no
[11:05] <fabbione> 2.6.9 is not the default kernel yet
[11:05] <mjr> 2,5
[11:05] <fabbione> it's prefectly normal to have 2 kernels at the same time
[11:06] <melazyboy> fabbione: I know that...
[11:06] <fabbione> 2.6.9 has some regressions that needs fixes
[11:06] <bob2> far_away: erm, php is packaged in ubuntu
[11:06] <bob2> far_away: with just about every possible option
[11:06] <poofyhair> I tried 2.6.9 in sid, was the final straw that sent me to ubuntu
 far_away: =D i didn't know if it was a change or not, when i do
[11:06] <fabbione>             the search with linux-* im seeing 2.8s as well
 melazyboy: file a bug on  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com  if something
[11:07] <melazyboy> fabbione: Right that applies to the fact that the same images are under both linux-image and kernel-image, and i assumed that was intended, and was wondering if they where making that a convention
[11:08] <melazyboy> fabbione: I could see a case being made to rename kernel-image to linux-image
[11:08] <fabbione> they are not same packages
[11:08] <poofyhair> best ubuntu trick: sudo apt-get linux-686
[11:08] <fabbione> kernel-* is from debian
[11:08] <fabbione> linux-* from ubuntu
[11:08] <poofyhair> *best ubuntu trick: sudo apt-get install linux-686
[11:08] <far_away> bob2, no, just about the general case - not when using deb packages
[11:09] <bob2> far_away: in general you may need to rebuild the whole thing...there's a reason people use the packages ;)
[11:09] <melazyboy> fabbione: i didn't know that, im seeing both right now -- so i take it linux-image will remain the naming convention for ubuntu?
[11:10] <fabbione> correct
[11:10] <far_away> bob2  do the old executables get overwritten or something?
[11:10] <melazyboy> fabbione: How come im seeing the debian packages then when there is already a ubuntu counterpart?
[11:10] <bob2> far_away: by rebuilding? probably.
[11:10] <fabbione> melazyboy: because we don't kill debian...
[11:10] <fabbione> kerne-* is in universe = unsupported
[11:11] <fabbione> if you don't want to see them, just kill universe
[11:11] <calc> if there is something in universe that someone wants to see go into main, is there a process for that?
[11:11] <melazyboy> fabbione: hrm, is the universe a mirror of debian woody?
[11:11] <fabbione> no. read it on the wiki. these are all FAQ
[11:12] <Nexinarus> hmm, ubuntu thinks dvd's are cd's
[11:12] <fabbione> calc: mail ubuntu-devel for somekind of consensum/discussion/etc.
[11:12] <Nexinarus> for me, on this cd/dvd combo laptop drive
[11:12] <fabbione> Nexinarus: most DVD are written in the same format as CD. expect they are bigger
[11:12] <calc> fabbione: ok
[11:13] <poofyhair> its sid
[11:13] <sladen> Nexinarus: DVDs are just 'large CDs'
[11:13] <Nexinarus> it wont play the dvd's, it says "cannot find /dev/dvd
[11:13] <calc> since unrar does not support any recent rar files ;)
[11:13] <bob2> calc: you can edit the wiki
[11:13] <poofyhair> universe and multiverse is snapshots os sid taken twice a year
[11:15] <Gmail> I FIXED MY SOUND WOOOT
[11:15] <Gmail> i put the speakers in the mic port and booom
[11:16] <paulproteus> ...?
[11:16] <_mp> Kamion: i posted it on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2254 - there are also links to some possible solution in comments made by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:16] <paulproteus> I think you've probably mis-identified the ports, Gmail.
[11:16] <Gmail> paulproteus: no i didn't
[11:16] <Gmail> its impossible
[11:17] <Gmail> my one has a HUGE picture of the item above the port in the same color at the port
[11:17] <Gmail> and it even says what is what in the manule
[11:17] <paulproteus> Heh, okay.
[11:18] <Gmail> paulproteus: cound be a hardware fault that the mic & speaker port where mixed up
[11:18] <wood1> Hey Amaranth, how are you?
[11:18] <wood1> How was your birthday party yesterday ?
[11:19] <Amaranth> it was good
[11:19] <Amaranth> machine working?
[11:19] <wood1> Well I have not checked it yet
[11:19] <Gmail> for a dev version gnome 2.9.1 has not that many ovous bugs
[11:20] <wood1> Some body else is using that Test PC with Windows XP
[11:20] <Amaranth> i found one problem with those instuctions i gave you
[11:20] <wood1> But 1 thing that I don't understand is that how do we actually install the Kernels and other software in the /   partition
[11:20] <Amaranth> they use lilo, you use grub
[11:21] <wood1> Yesterday we did that only on the Swap Partition
[11:21] <Amaranth> you would be much better off just putting a CD-ROM drive in the system
[11:21] <Amaranth> what i was having you do is known as a massive hack
[11:22] <wood1> Well that is fine with me
[11:22] <wood1> How do we actually do the installation ?
[11:23] <Amaranth> well, its something i could probably do but i don't think i could explain it :P
[11:23] <Amaranth> is that machine at all accessible from the outside world?
[11:24] <melazyboy> wtf, is googles front index down?
[11:24] <melazyboy> www.google.com, its blank, www.google.com/search?q=asdf works
[11:24] <tommie_> google.com is normal :-)
[11:24] <Amaranth> google.com is blank
[11:24] <wood1> I use google.com.au
[11:24] <Nexinarus> hmm weird
[11:24] <melazyboy> ... AmaranthL so your seeing the same thing?
[11:25] <Amaranth> yep
[11:25] <Amaranth> seeing it from google.com.au too
[11:25] <calc> cool my email is working :)
[11:25] <paulproteus> Google.com works for me.
[11:25] <wood1> Why don't I get the www.google.com  only
[11:25] <Amaranth> wood1: automatic redirect based on IP
[11:26] <wood1> It's changes to my country's suffix automatically
[11:26] <Amaranth> it ranks AUS sites higher with that search
[11:26] <wood1> How do I disable automatic redirect based on IP ?
[11:26] <Amaranth> wood1: get a US IP address :P
[11:26] <calc> seems to be much quicker at delivering mail too
[11:26] <wood1> Well I have to typegoogle.com.au manually
[11:26] <melazyboy> hahha thats funny
[11:26] <Amaranth> wood1: try google.com
[11:26] <melazyboy> google page, has <html><body></body></html>
[11:27] <Amaranth> melazyboy: Yeah, thats what Gecko puts in for a page that outputs nothing.
[11:27] <wood1> Typing google.com  => www.google.com.np
[11:27] <melazyboy> and they just put out an article saying they haven't had a second of downtime since like 1998
[11:27] <Amaranth> it isn't down
[11:27] <Amaranth> just a bug on the main page
[11:28] <melazyboy> the index page is broke
[11:28] <melazyboy> for anyone not using a search bar, or knowing query string convention its as good as down.
[11:28] <wood1> What exactly is wrong with www.google.com
[11:28] <melazyboy> and chek this out
[11:28] <bob2> .np?
[11:28] <melazyboy> the /images on google is broke too
[11:28] <melazyboy> run a query www.google.com/search?q=asdf
[11:29] <wezzer> google works ok for me
[11:29] <melazyboy> the google logo on the top left isn't loading
[11:29] <wood1> bob2, .np = nepal
[11:29] <melazyboy> the /webhp down too
[11:29] <bob2> ah
[11:29] <Amaranth> it might not even be google's fault
[11:30] <Nexinarus> every dvd app thinks the dvd is at /dev/dvd, but all i have is /dev/cdrom. Yet making a soft link dvd to cdrom doesnt help anything. What can i do?
[11:30] <Amaranth> i can't remember the name of the company
[11:31] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: Make a hard link?
[11:31] <Amaranth> Nexinarus: you tried sudo ln -s /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd?
[11:31] <bob2> Nexinarus: erm, are you sure?
[11:31] <bob2> melazyboy: no
[11:31] <wood1> Amaranth, does the Nautilas Burner support Multiple Session for CD-R discs ?
[11:31] <Amaranth> i doubt it
[11:31] <wezzer> does Nautilus burner support dvd's?
[11:31] <Nexinarus> ill try a hard link now
[11:32] <bob2> no
[11:32] <Nexinarus> yeah Amaranth i did that,
[11:32] <bob2> just make a symlink from /dev/dvd to /dev/hdc
[11:32] <Kamion> _mp: yeah, I know, the bug's assigned to me so I get mails about it; I just haven't had time to sit down and think about it for a while, that's all :)
[11:32] <Amaranth> wezzer: get k3b
[11:32] <wezzer> Amaranth: I had that, and it crashed gnome
[11:32] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: Shares the same inode shoudlen't that make it point to the exact same thing as /dev/cdrom or does that not work with the /dev/ folder?
[11:32] <wezzer> then I asked here and got instructions to delete ~/.ICEauthority
[11:33] <Amaranth> wezzer: You have to be careful setting up k3b
[11:33] <Amaranth> or it'll trash GNOME
[11:33] <bob2> no it won't
[11:33] <Amaranth> there is a howto for it in the wiki
[11:33] <bob2> it will just stop X starting
[11:33] <Amaranth> oh?
[11:33] <wezzer> I followed orders on HOWTO-page
[11:33] <Amaranth> i thought it stopped GNOME
[11:33] <Nexinarus> bob: i dont have hdc?
[11:33] <bob2> Nexinarus: then where is your cdrom device?
[11:34] <Amaranth> Nexinarus: primary slave?
[11:34] <Amaranth> if so its /dev/hdb
[11:34] <jab> anyone got experience with external dvd-burner?
[11:34] <jab> not sure how to connect it.. and get i working.
[11:34] <bob2> Nexinarus: what are you using to play dvds?
[11:34] <Amaranth> jab: is it USB?
[11:34] <wood1> Amaranth, If I install Debian Woody, how can I upgrade it to Ubuntu Warty ?
[11:35] <jab> Amaranth: yup
[11:35] <Nexinarus> gxine, and vlc
[11:35] <Amaranth> jab: it should just automagically be found :)
[11:35] <Nexinarus> both error
[11:35] <Amaranth> wood1: you can't, unless you like headaches
[11:35] <bob2> Nexinarus: configure them to use the actual dvd device
[11:35] <jab> Amaranth: hihi, i hope so
[11:35] <bob2> \this hardlinking usggestion is utter crack
[11:36] <Nexinarus> hmm
[11:36] <ctd> Who's hardlinking? where? what? why?
[11:36] <Amaranth> wood1: just pull a CDROM drive from another machine and put it in that one temporarily
[11:36] <bob2> ctd: in the FACE
[11:36] <wood1> Well I want to install Woody 3, it seems challenging
[11:37] <ctd> bob2: Enough of shameless self-promotion.
[11:37] <Nexinarus> i wish i kne how to configure them where the actual dvd device is,
[11:37] <wood1> I heard that Ubuntu Warty supports upgrading from Debian Woody 3
[11:37] <bob2> Nexinarus: they don\'t have a preference thing? or command line options?
[11:37] <bob2> wood1: are you sure? check the website.
[11:37] <bob2> Nexinarus: what is your dvd device, anyway?
[11:37] <Amaranth> wood1: I did it, it doesn't work right.
[11:38] <Amaranth> It'll work ok until the first version conflict.
[11:38] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: there is a newer version of VLC in debian sid, like 6 bugfixes
[11:38] <wood1> Ubuntu mentions that it supports upgrade from Woody
[11:38] <wood1> I am sure
[11:38] <twilit> Amaranth: but can one upgrade from debian (testing) to ubuntu? using apt ?
[11:38] <Nexinarus> How do i get the newer version of vlc, all i see is 0.7.2 (old) ?
[11:38] <Amaranth> twilit: You can try. :p
[11:38] <bob2> Nexinarus: I really doubt that is the problem
[11:38] <Amaranth> Again, it works fine until the first version conflict.
[11:38] <twilit> Amaranth: sweet!!
[11:38] <bob2> Nexinarus: are you really really really sure that making the /dev/dvd symlink doesn't help?
[11:38] <Nexinarus> yeah something stupid is happening,
[11:39] <twilit> Maybe i need not wait for my CDs
[11:39] <Nexinarus> ill try again,
[11:39] <Nexinarus> vlc just about worked (the dvd drive span)
[11:39] <Amaranth> twilit: If you're going to try to upgrade like that you might as well just download the ISO off the website and burn a CD.
[11:40] <wood1> Amaranth should we restart the SSH thing to remotely install Hoary on the Problematic Machine ?
[11:40] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: type this as root 'echo deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable contrib main non-free >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[11:40] <Amaranth> wood1: I don't feel confortable trying to guide you through that.
[11:40] <Amaranth> You're more likely to end up with a machine that can't boot at all.
[11:40] <twilit> Amaranth: ok. i have been putting this upgrade off out of laziness & ignorance
[11:41] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: apt-get update, and apt-get install vlc, then remove that line from your sources.list, and re update to rid your db of sid
[11:41] <Nexinarus> hmelazyboy, does that work for ubuntu or only other debian releases?
[11:41] <housetier> Nexinarus instead of mixing debian and ubuntu repositories you could just download the .deb from packages.debian.org
[11:41] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: Or comment it out and switch between sid and hoary like i do =D
[11:41] <housetier> or pin it to hoary
[11:41] <Amaranth> melazyboy: I was doing that too.
[11:41] <Nexinarus> hmm,
[11:41] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: Works for ubuntu im using a mix of ubuntu, and sid
[11:41] <Gmail> what do people think of xchat-gnome ?? it wound be nice if they used irssi as the core but the rewrite wasn't started when they started
[11:41] <Amaranth> Bad idea. :P
[11:41] <melazyboy> hoary and sid rather
[11:42] <housetier> I'd never mix repositories without pinning
[11:43] <melazyboy> Amaranth: Don't care =D live dangerously they are essentially the same thing anyway, net install sid, install xorg, and gnome, totem, evolution, gaim and openoffice, and you get a rough equivelent to ubuntu =/
[11:43] <housetier> not everyone wants to be "livin' on the edge"
[11:44] <housetier> <insert jon bon jovi here>
[11:44] <Amaranth> melazyboy: Except that ubuntu's packages have 'ubuntu-x' on the end of the version.
[11:44] <melazyboy> hahaha
[11:44] <Amaranth> oh, no -
[11:44] <melazyboy> Amaranth: Right and when the number version differs to the point where ubuntu takes the lead, it will kick in when i apt-get dist-upgrade, because i take special precaution not to break ubuntu-desktop
[11:45] <Amaranth> sounds like a headache
[11:45] <Amaranth> same packages just a little later
[11:45] <wood1> Is compiling a different Kernel supported in Ubuntu ?
[11:45] <wood1> Well hoary is good only for test purposes
[11:46] <wood1> It gives nothing much than Warty till now
[11:46] <twilit> xorg ??
[11:46] <Amaranth> wood1: except GNOME 2.9.x and xorg, of course
[11:46] <Kamion> sure, you can compile a different kernel if you like
[11:46] <Amaranth> the two largest pieces of the desktop system
[11:46] <Kamion> we won't support the kernel you build though
[11:46] <melazyboy> wood1: my kernel is custom compiled
[11:46] <wood1> Hoary has messed up my machine so badly that I can't even do:  apt-get upgrade
[11:47] <Kamion> Hoary is not for beginners
[11:47] <twilit> Amaranth: can one install xorg from the unreleased ubuntu on a regular debian -unstable system ?
[11:47] <wood1> As for XOrg, that's just there for test purposes
[11:47] <Ng> far far far too many people are running hoary with no clue what it is
[11:47] <Ng> :(
[11:47] <Kamion> apt-get often gets confused by strange situations; non-beginners can generally deal with it
[11:47] <Nexinarus> alternatively i could rip the dvd, though im new to ripping in linux (done it in windows)
[11:47] <fabbione> twilit: no.. i don't suggest to do that
[11:47] <wood1> Well I did not see the difference between XOrg and XFree86
[11:47] <twilit> fabbione: ok
[11:48] <Amaranth> Kamion: My solution usually ends up being dpkg --force-all ;)
[11:48] <twilit> fabbione: thanks
[11:48] <melazyboy> XOrg, sucks, that was the only move i regret on this install im just to lazy to revert back to XFree86
[11:48] <Kamion> wood1: no, you aren't really supposed to be able to yet :-)
[11:48] <Kamion> Amaranth: that's bad ...
[11:48] <Ng> wood1: that's because the differences are internal, and the new features aren't exploited yet
[11:48] <Amaranth> Kamion: Yeah, I know.
[11:48] <LiquidSnake> hi
[11:48] <Amaranth> But only for individual packages.
[11:48] <Kamion> Amaranth: I know somebody who used that carelessly on an individual package and had his /sbin replaced by a file
[11:48] <LiquidSnake> anyone knows a program what runs well under ubuntu like mldonkey?
[11:48] <wood1> But if you have some fun machine to play with, you can install Hoary on it
[11:48] <Amaranth> o_O
[11:48] <Amaranth> Ouch!
[11:48] <Kamion> Amaranth: have you looked at what --force-all implies?
[11:49] <Amaranth> yep
[11:49] <Kamion> --force-overwrite-dir is CRACK :-)
[11:49] <melazyboy> i upgraded to Xorg, then i got the rude awakening my video drivers won't work, now my gnome experiene is inepted, and i lost complete 3d use
[11:49] <Amaranth> basically do whatever you want, just leave me alone :P
[11:49] <Ng> LiquidSnake: amule
[11:49] <LiquidSnake> anyone knows somthing?
[11:49] <LiquidSnake> amule?
[11:49] <Amaranth> melazyboy: That is not the fault of xorg.
[11:49] <LiquidSnake> really?
[11:49] <Ng> melazyboy: install warty and be happy
[11:49] <housetier> LiquidSnake mldonkey
[11:49] <LiquidSnake> nopes
[11:49] <melazyboy> Ng: This gives me incentive to write nasty letters to ATI
[11:49] <davmor2> melazyboy with xorg up and running some of the effects you can get are quite outstanding
[11:49] <housetier> ohyes
[11:49] <Ng> melazyboy: yeah, because *that*'s a good idea
[11:50] <Ng> NOT
[11:50] <housetier> LiquidSnake just compile it yourself
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> : undefined reference to `camlzip_inflate'
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> collect2: ld devolvi el estado de salida 1
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> Error during linking
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> make: *** [mlnet]  Error 2
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> nopes
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> ive installed gcc
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> and tryed to complie it
[11:50] <housetier> LiquidSnake did you install zlib?
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> but only errors
[11:50] <Ng> LiquidSnake: install amule, it should be in universe or something
[11:50] <housetier> libzlib maybe
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> mm
[11:50] <twilit> seems my i830/nvidiaand ati are all undesirable
[11:50] <Ng> mldonkey isn't exactly the friendliest edonkey client
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> ok i will try with apt
[11:51] <davmor2> melazyboy but then I'm using a half decent nvidia fx chipset
[11:51] <housetier> ng you speak from experience?
[11:51] <Ng> twilit: I'm using nvidia drivers with hoary's Xorg fine
[11:51] <Ng> housetier: in that I run mldonkey and amule, yes
[11:51] <LiquidSnake> not found on apt
[11:51] <Amaranth> melazyboy: What kind of Radeon do you have?
[11:51] <twilit> Ng: nice
[11:51] <LiquidSnake>  libzlib not found at lists of apt
[11:51] <melazyboy> davmor2: Lucky you =D im using ATI and im a very *dis*satisfied customer..
[11:51] <melazyboy> Amaranth: 9800
[11:52] <housetier> LiquidSnake you will need zlib1g-dev
[11:52] <davmor2> you can't play doom3 either yet can you
[11:52] <LiquidSnake> ok 'll try it
[11:52] <Amaranth> ouch
[11:52] <Amaranth> dri only goes up to9250
[11:52] <LiquidSnake> 9% [1 zlib1g-dev 37480/404kB 9%]
[11:52] <LiquidSnake> nice
[11:52] <housetier> LiquidSnake also try #mldonkey
[11:52] <Amaranth> thats why i'll never buy a radeon card higher then a 9250 :P
[11:53] <melazyboy> Amaranth: Smart move.. ATI is a horrable company
[11:53] <Amaranth> melazyboy: I'll probably never buy an nVidia card though. :P
[11:53] <Amaranth> Open source drivers > *
[11:53] <melazyboy> Amaranth: There drivers for windows are subpar, there drivers for linux are laughable...
[11:53] <LiquidSnake> it seems to work
[11:54] <paulproteus> I'm running Warty.  I'm trying to create a presentation in OpenOffice.org.  Unfortunately, it seems to come with no templates.
[11:54] <paulproteus> I have installed openoffice.org-l10n-en , which seems like it's supposed to include templates.  But none appear in the drop-down list when the Presentation creation program starts.
[11:54] <jab> Amaranth: ok, no i've connected the usb-dvd-burner. What /dev/xxxx is it? It's not 'sda1'
[11:54] <davmor2> melazyboy mind you although you can't play doom3 yet you win be glad to hear that ati are working to improve and create workarounds for linux according to linux format who interview them at ati
[11:55] <jab> how do i see what hardware is connected?
[11:55] <iz> jab dmesg ?
[11:55] <Ng> hal-device-manager should show you everything connected
[11:55] <Ng> I think
[11:55] <Ng> I don't have a warty box to hand to check
[11:55] <Amaranth> jab: I had hoped hal would pick it up just like it does for flash and HD based usb devices :/
[11:55] <jab> iz: at boot yes. I've connected somtething after boot.
[11:56] <jab> hal?
[11:56] <melazyboy> davmor2: Im not asking for something i think is unreasonable, they dont have it even mentioned in their FAQ about the new version of Xorg, no caveat, on either side, Xorg or ATI, ATI documentation blows, and their drivers are notoriously subpar when compaired to the nvidia counterpart
[11:56] <LiquidSnake> sh*t
[11:56] <LiquidSnake> Building dependencies
[11:56] <LiquidSnake> The following modules will not be compiled: { donkey(no Zlib) audio_galaxy(obsolete) open_napster direct_connect gnutella(no Zlib) gnutella2(no Zlib) soulseek openFT(obsolete) donkey_server donkey_client mldonkey_gui$(EXE) mldonkey_gui2$(EXE) mlchat$(EXE) }
[11:56] <Ng> isn't mldonkey in universe? why are you compiling it?
[11:57] <davmor2> how can I install xorg on my warty system then please I haven't seen it anywhere
[11:57] <LiquidSnake> just make ?
[11:57] <melazyboy> davmor2: I would like to know the date that they are shooting for releasing the new fglrx, if it pays to rollback or not
[11:57] <melazyboy> davmor2: Xorg is in hoary only not warty
[11:57] <LiquidSnake> i compiled it on all my linux boxes as this way
[11:57] <bob2> davmor2: x.org on warty is not uspported by anyone...
[11:57] <Amaranth> LiquidSnake: apt-get install zlibc?
[11:58] <bob2> davmor2: a debian guy made backports for sarge that may work, but you may not be able to upgrade to hoary later
[11:58] <housetier> LiquidSnake just "make" it now
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> root@UbuntuLinux:/home/doris # apt-get install zlibc
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete zlibc
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> mm
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> i will make
[11:58] <Ng> you want zlib1g-dev
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> i had
[11:58] <Ng> of course it would be easier to just install the mldonkey-server package, but what do I know
[11:58] <housetier> LiquidSnake there are several build instructions out there, and do try #mldonkey
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> root@UbuntuLinux:/home/doris # apt-get install zlib1g-dev
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Se instalarn los siguientes paquetes NUEVOS:
[11:59] <LiquidSnake>   zlib1g-dev
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> 0 actualizados, 1 se instalarn, 0 para eliminar y 10 no actualizados.
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Necesito descargar 404kB de archivos.
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Se utilizarn 582kB de espacio de disco adicional despus de desempaquetar.
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Des:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main zlib1g-dev 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-3ubuntu1 [404kB] Descargados 404kB en 19s (20,5kB/s)
[11:59] <bob2> LiquidSnake: please don't paste in here
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Preconfiguring packages ...
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Seleccionando el paquete zlib1g-dev previamente no seleccionado.
[11:59] <Gmail> OMG MS fonts suck
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> (Leyendo la base de datos ...
[11:59] <jab> omg
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> it already installed
[11:59] <bob2> especially in non-english languages
[11:59] <davmor2> bob2: is hoary stable enough for a novice (not really a programmer, although learning, x windows user) to use
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> ok
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> sorry
[11:59] <Ng> davmor2: NO
[11:59] <melazyboy> fyi: there is a flood bot
[11:59] <bob2> just don't do it again
[11:59] <Ng> davmor2: hoary isn't even slightly stable
[11:59] <bob2> davmor2: no
[11:59] <ogra> davmor2: no
[11:59] <jab> LiquidSnake: use a pastebin-site.
[11:59] <davmor2> didn't think so
[12:00] <Amaranth> LiquidSnake: zlib1g-dev is installed?
[12:00] <ogra> LiquidSnake: or #flood
[12:00] <Ng> hoary needs some big "DO NOT USE ME" warnings ;)
[12:00] <LiquidSnake> Amaranth, yep allready
[12:00] <Amaranth> and so is zlibc?
[12:00] <LiquidSnake> zlibc not found on apt lists
[12:00] <Amaranth> are you using hoary or warty?
[12:00] <housetier> LiquidSnake just make it already
[12:00] <calc> Ng: why?
[12:00] <calc> Ng: works good here
[12:01] <LiquidSnake> im doing
[12:01] <Ng> calc: so people who can't handle a broken debian install don't keep using it
[12:01] <davmor2> just want xorg loved the translucent windows and stuff but i'll just wait for the stable version later
[12:01] <LiquidSnake> Error during linking
[12:01] <calc> Ng: ah
[12:01] <LiquidSnake> make: *** [mlnet]  Error 2
[12:01] <housetier> LiquidSnake you will end up with a binary "mlnet" which is all you need and do try to /join #mldonkey
[12:01] <Kamion> Amaranth: you don't want zlibc
[12:01] <calc> it seems no worse than sid ;)
[12:01] <Ng> calc: indeed, but sid is hardly a good choice if you have no debian clue
[12:01] <Kamion> calc: you're not a Debian novice
[12:01] <calc> true
[12:02] <calc> and even when i was i wasn't a linux novice :)
[12:02] <melazyboy> I happen to like sid and hoary, the majority of what i have learned about both distros has been in pursuit of fixing shit that randomly broke
[12:03] <melazyboy> good learning expereinces
[12:03] <melazyboy> Day changed to 06 Dec 2004 <-- and with that, im going to bed.
[12:03] <jab> Ng: i get a error when trying to run 'hal-device-manager'. Import gtk.
[12:03] <melazyboy> its 5am here
[12:03] <paulproteus> 6 here.  Oops.
[12:04] <Amaranth> 5am here :)
[12:04] <davmor2> 11am here
[12:04] <wezzer> 1pm here
[12:05] <calc> Kamion: any new info about the grub error 21 fix on fedora?
[12:05] <wezzer> is it good idea to burn dvd-images with k3b?
[12:06] <wezzer> if those dvd's are shipped to far away and they _must_ work
[12:06] <calc> i'll try dissecting the grub src rpm to see if there is a patch lurking
[12:07] <calc> wow they have lots of patches in fact
[12:08] <Kamion> calc: no, sorry, haven't had a chance to look; I only ended up effectively doing grub maintenance as a sideline from installer work
[12:08] <davmor2> wezzer i've not had a problem using cd creator to burn ISO images and using bchunk to convert bin/cue image to iso
[12:08] <calc> ok
[12:09] <Kamion> calc: I should have a look through the RH patches though, I guess
[12:10] <calc> i don't see anything immediately obvious
[12:11] <calc> and this is still all going of the word of someone else saying it really does work on fedora ;)
[12:11] <calc> i didn't have time to try installing fedora on it to verify before i had to give him his system back
[12:12] <davmor2> wezzer and I'm still novice status at linux and ubuntu
[12:12] <wezzer> ok
[12:12] <calc> but some of the patches do look interesting
[12:12] <wezzer> the problem is, that my friend burned dvd's with his linux and they don't work in dvd-players
[12:12] <calc> not related to the bug though
[12:12] <davmor2> wezzer I couldn't actually get k3b to work properly so I just look for a work around
[12:13] <wezzer> but I don't know is it because linux or dvd-drive
[12:13] <wood1> By the way, I installed Ubuntu Warty from an earlier release in September. How do I change my version of Gnome Terminal from 2.73 to 2.8
[12:14] <davmor2> wezzer my iso's have both vcd and dvd but only proper iso's don't just rename the bin file
[12:14] <calc> wood1: just apt-get update;apt-get upgrade
[12:14] <toresbe> ploum: Goede dag
[12:14] <ploum> Hello toresbe
[12:16] <wood1> calc, I have already done that. There terminal version is still 2.7.3 ?
[12:16] <davmor2> wezzer but k3b worked fine when I tried Fedora Core 3 and that burnt them fine
[12:17] <wezzer> okay
[12:17] <Gmail> can i download a src rpm and rebuild it for ubuntu in a deb?
[12:17] <wezzer> I burn 25 of these on windows and then maybe move on to ubuntu
[12:17] <calc> wood1: hmm just upgrading should fix it as far as i know
[12:17] <davmor2> wood1 so is mine i got final release
[12:18] <wood1> davmor2 which version do you get now ?
[12:18] <wood1> I still have 2.7.3
[12:18] <davmor2> wood1 2.7.3 the same as you
[12:19] <davmor2> wood1 not need to update it works fine
[12:19] <wood1> I do apt-get update , apt-get upgrade , apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:19] <wood1> everyday
[12:23] <wood1> But the Gnome Terminal Version is still 2.7.3
[12:23] <wood1> How do I change that to 2.8 ?
[12:24] <Amaranth> in hoary?
[12:24] <wood1> No it Warty ?
[12:25] <Amaranth> oh, no idea
[12:25] <wood1> In Hoary, it's 2.9.2
[12:25] <jdub> wood1: you don't need to
[12:25] <ogra> wood1: if you run them in this order, apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade are redundant....just use dist-upgrade
[12:25] <Amaranth> if they don't have a 2.8 then it must have have changed from 2.7.3
[12:25] <jdub> wood1: there were no significant changes in 2.8.0; 2.7.3 was the version released for gnome 2.8
[12:26] <wood1> Well I do dist-upgrade several times a day, why is the version still 2.7.3
[12:26] <jdub> wood1: because warty is released and stable, that is, there are no changes beyond security and high impact bug fixes.
[12:27] <Gmail> can i download a src rpm and rebuild it for ubuntu in a deb? using alien of couse???
[12:31] <Gmail> can i download a src rpm and rebuild it for ubuntu in a deb? using alien of couse?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[12:32] <HcE> Gmail: I think your ?-key got locked ;)
[12:33] <Gmail> ROTFL
[12:36] <daniels> Gmail: seriously, you only need one.  and i'm sure google knows the answer.
[12:36] <daniels> Gmail: (if no-one answers the first time, it's impolite to keep asking.)
[12:37] <housetier> this gmail who we are talking about...
[12:39] <Gmail> daniels: need one what?
[12:39] <housetier> .oO(one more brain)
[12:40] <daniels> Gmail: question mark.
[12:40] <daniels> housetier: please be polite.
[12:41] <housetier> its difficult but I will try
[12:41] <Gmail> daniels: well when i use one no one answered me then when i used 2 it didn't help then 3 no help then 100 and you replied
[12:41] <wood1> By the way, does some body have some ideas why the Screen resolution in Hoary is only 640 x 480 ?
[12:42] <ctd> Gmail: I think you'll find daniels wasn't replying to necassarily help you.
[12:42] <wood1> I have tried almost everything
[12:42] <daniels> Gmail: yes, only because I wasn't looking at IRC when you asked the first two times.  asking repeatedly, let alone with thousands of question marks, is implite.  if you can't be polite, then I'm going to ask you to leave.  clear?
[12:42] <Gmail> ctd: i know
[12:42] <wood1> What is the command to reconfigure XOrg settings ?
[12:42] <fabbione> Gmail: your way of grabbing people attention is really annoying
[12:42] <fabbione> wood1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:42] <Gmail> dpkg-reconfiregure xserver-xorg
[12:43] <Gmail> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:44] <wood1> Well it did not work that command
[12:44] <fabbione> wood1: did you customize your configuration manually?
[12:46] <Gmail> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:47] <Gmail> i am making a xchat-gnome package
[12:47] <Gmail> who do i talk to it being added into the rep to?
[12:48] <Gmail> i guess it wound be the debian bug tracker
[12:48] <daniels> Gmail: is it based off the existing xchat package, or are you starting from scratch again?
[12:49] <daniels> Gmail: here's a hint -- if you annoy everyone in the channel, you might no longer be quite so welcome
[12:50] <Gmail> daniels: no its xchat-gnome not xchat
[12:52] <housetier> xchat-gnome is another frontend for xchat, its not being developped by zed
[12:52] <Nexinarus> are there any download resumers for ubuntu?
[12:52] <ChibiFS> firefox does it automatically :P
[12:53] <Nexinarus> resumes?
[12:53] <ChibiFS> Yes. If the file is incomplete.
[12:53] <Nexinarus> on disconnections i mean,
[12:53] <Gmail> d4x is the best downloader
[12:54] <Ribs> okay
[12:54] <Ribs> I'm trying to make my own kernel here
[12:54] <Ribs> I've installed kernel-source package
[12:54] <paulproteus> Nexinarus: You're talking about DCC transfer; while ChibiFS and Gmail are talking about web downloading.
[12:54] <Ribs> symlinked /usr/src/linux to where the kernel is
[12:54] <Ribs> I've make menuconfig'd then make then make modules_install
[12:54] <Ribs> So now, how do I add an entry into grub?
[12:54] <Nexinarus> nah im talking about web downloading
[12:55] <Ribs> I'm used to specifiying 'bzImage', but no other entry even uses that file.
[12:55] <paulproteus> Oh, I see.
[12:55] <paulproteus> Ribs: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html will serve you best.
[12:55] <Nexinarus> guess i said "disconnections" a little wrong heh
[12:55] <Ribs> thanks
[12:56] <paulproteus> For compatibility with Ubuntu's kernels, when you do make-kpkg kernel_image, do make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image instead.
[12:56] <ctd> Nexinarus: Use the '-r' option for wget
[12:57] <paulproteus> Or "-c" for "--continue".
[12:57] <paulproteus> ctd: "-r" is recursive.  That's not what he wants, I think.
[12:57] <ctd> paulproteus: Sorry, get those ones mixed around some time.
[12:58] <paulproteus> No problem :).
[12:59] <Nexinarus> a cool,
[01:01] <wood1> Amaranth, are you still there?
[01:02] <Ribs> make-kpkg --append-to-version=.06122004-custom --initrd kernel_image
[01:02] <Ribs> does that look okay, paulproteus ?
[01:02] <wood1> Can somebody here guide me to setup Ubuntu on a Remote Machine using SSH and a broadband internet connection ?
[01:03] <lifeless> thom whats the local archive for the conf ?
[01:04] <rory__> look on the wiki for how to install ubuntu using knoppix
[01:04] <Nexinarus> Aha i have finally got dvd's to play!
[01:05] <Nexinarus> If anyone is interested, my first problem was that i linked /dev/dvd to /dev/cdrom (as i have a combo drive) but i forgot to set read permission priviliages. secondly i didnt have libdvdcss2 installed so i couldnt play encrypted dvd's. Now they play perfect
[01:07] <paulproteus> Ribs: Sure. :)
[01:07] <paulproteus> Oh, wait, ribs.
[01:07] <paulproteus> run this at a console:
[01:07] <paulproteus> date -I
[01:07] <paulproteus> It outputs the date in ISO format.  ISO format has a lot of advantages, and you should put them to work for you in your kernel package version.
[01:07] <paulproteus> so:
[01:07] <paulproteus> make-kpkg --append-to-version=.`date -I`-custom --initrd kernel_image
[01:08] <paulproteus> The backticks will capture the output of "date -I" and put it there; so that way, it comes out nice and clean and readable, and it sorts correctly, and it's automatic.
[01:08] <Ribs> I'm not aborting it twice :P
[01:09] <Ribs> is it required to be in ISO format?
[01:09] <Ribs> It's just a name, right?
[01:09] <paulproteus> Ribs: Sure, just a name.
[01:09] <paulproteus> No big deal.
[01:09] <Ribs> phew :)
[01:09] <Ribs> I've not really bothered to set up anything
[01:09] <paulproteus> At the same time, do notice how cool ISO date format is: it sorts correctly by string sort.
[01:09] <Ribs> so it's compiling a lot of modules
[01:10] <cristiano> hi guys i've a prob
[01:12] <padlefot> does anybody know where the XF86Config file for ubuntu is?
[01:12] <padlefot> i want to change my screen resolution
[01:12] <Ribs> padlefot: /etc/X11/XF86Config.4
[01:12] <Ribs> or something
[01:12] <Ribs> padlefot: You can easily do it in Gnome anyway
[01:13] <padlefot> yeah i can, but it doesnt go any highet than 1024x784
[01:13] <cristiano> someone can explain me why when trying to execute an install command it says "./install: line 1: /lib/libc.so.6: Permission denied
[01:13] <cristiano> Setup aborted . . .
[01:13] <cristiano> The installer cannot be run when your current directory is on the CD.
[01:13] <cristiano> "????thanks
[01:13] <padlefot> *higher
[01:14] <padlefot> i want to take it to 1280x1024
[01:14] <Ribs> right, time for a reboot
[01:17] <Nexinarus> cristiano, are you installing as root?
[01:17] <Nexinarus> maybe if your not using root priviliages it wont let you
[01:18] <Ng> it kinda looks like the CD is mounted with noexec
[01:18] <cristiano> yep
[01:18] <padlefot> crappy
[01:19] <Ribs> okay, very nearly there now
[01:19] <Ribs> nvidia-installer complains that a 'conflicting' opengl system is installed
[01:19] <Ribs> so I'm kinda wondering how to remove what I already have installed
[01:19] <Gmail> i saw this in the debian mailing list
[01:19] <Gmail> In the meantime you can get the last released NVU version package for
[01:19] <Gmail> debian adding this repo:
[01:19] <Gmail> deb http://www.linuxbh.org/naarea/ pacotes/
[01:20] <Ribs> 'opengl' in synaptic just shows a load of bindings
[01:20] <Gmail> someone should add that to the wiki
[01:21] <cristiano> Nexinarus: i think i would try a reboot...this is really strange...
[01:21] <cristiano> Ng: should i check the fstab file?
[01:22] <cristiano> in the fstab i have ro,user options
[01:22] <Ng> hmm
[01:22] <Ng> that's most weird
[01:22] <Gmail> daniels: can you add that to the wiki?
[01:24] <ctd> Gmail: It's a wiki so that everyone can add things to it.
[01:24] <Gmail> ctd: i know but i am not
[01:25] <Gmail> any way what the hell is the point of??? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=222177
[01:25] <bob2> Gmail: it's way more efficient for you to do that than for daniel to
[01:25] <bob2> Device  Sleep state     Status
[01:25] <bob2>  LID       3            *enabled
[01:25] <bob2> SLPB       3            *enabled
[01:25] <bob2> ba
[01:26] <bob2> Gmail: some people have too much time on their hands
[01:28] <Gmail> bob2: i can't port 80 blocked for another 10min
[01:28] <bob2> um, ok
[01:28] <bob2> but you can read debbugs?
[01:29] <bob2> what a magic firewall
[01:32] <Gmail> bob2: no it was the work of my isp the blocked it for 15min while they do some upgrades that we all agreed on having now
[01:39] <thoreauputic> bob2: do you use irssi? Do you know if it's possible to split the window vertically as well as horizontally?
[01:39] <Gmail> he does
[01:41] <stvn> mrgn
[01:42] <thoreauputic> hmm.. I guess logically I should try #irssi...
[01:42] <kbrooks> i need to e-mail someone but i want POP e-mail, but I don't have it........
[01:43] <kbrooks> wait, maybe i do on hotmail but i dont know where
[01:43] <ctd> hotmail doesn't give you a POP inbox, iirc.
[01:43] <kbrooks> oh
[01:49] <daniele> dears, I have some problems with totem playing videos mpeg. I hear audio, but I can't see motion. What's up? How may I solve this problem?
[01:51] <gen> jdibittydub
[01:52] <housetier> daniele I am only guessing but you might miss some codecs for totem... you could try another movie player, mplayer for example
[01:53] <ChibiFS> Blah! Stop promoting mplayer when you knoooww xine is far superior. :P
[01:54] <zopy> daniele = try to install pack from MPlayerhq.hu and cp it to /usr/lib/win32
[01:54] <stuNNed> bakkamakka beebub ommba somba ubununtu
[01:54] <housetier> exactly my point:I don't know that xine is superior
[01:54] <ChibiFS> hehe :P
[01:54] <daniels> Gmail: bob2 was commenting on the fact that you could access the Debian bug tracking system but not the wiki
[01:56] <ctd> daniels: Must be an X problem! File a bug against the X packagers. ;)
[01:59] <kbrooks> i want to be a member of the ubuntu maintainers team. :)
[01:59] <stuNNed> where do i put: NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 in Ubuntu?
[02:02] <stuNNed> if i want to pass options to driver module on load just put it in modules.conf?
[02:03] <stuNNed> just put directly into modules.conf?
[02:05] <Gmail> daniele: heh that link i had for a long time wanting to say that
[02:05] <Gmail> ok i know this is the most stupidest question in the world but here it comes
[02:06] <Gmail> if i add a deb-src to my sources.list and apt-get something from that source does i build the package for me?
[02:07] <stuNNed> if i put driver module load options directly in modules.conf will it get overwritten upon next boot or some other times?
[02:07] <rory__> no
[02:07] <rory__> it downloads the source
[02:07] <daniels> Gmail: please read the documentation available.  man apt-get is a good start.
[02:08] <Ng> Gmail: you might want to look at apt-src, it can be used to download/build a source deb in a similar fashion to apt-get
[02:08] <Gmail> daniels: heh i can't remeber i read it 9months ago
[02:08] <Gmail> Ng: you refereshed my memery
[02:09] <Gmail> apt-src is like portage?
[02:09] <Ng> :o
[02:09] <Ng> don't think of it like that, it's just wrong ;)
[02:10] <stuNNed> where is proper place in ubuntu to put driver module load options?  directly in modules.conf?
[02:11] <Ng> stuNNed: you could stick them in /etc/modutils/local and then run update-modules
[02:11] <Gmail> Ng: i never ment like that i ment its like a portage type thing biulds from source...
[02:11] <stuNNed> Ng, roger, thanks
[02:12] <ctd> Gmail: man apt-src
[02:12] <daniels> Gmail: so read it again, dude.
[02:13] <daniels> Gmail: if you cannot help yourself, you cannot expect others to do your work for you and expecting them to do so is rude and disruptive to the channel.
[02:13] <Ng> Gmail: well, I suppose, but I don't want to give the impression that building everything from source is a good or cool idea ;)
[02:13] <daniels> Gmail: and so far, you have done nothing but be rude, impolite, disruptive and annoying, to the point where you have provided nothing good but many things bad to the channel, and you are walking dangerously close to a removal.
[02:13] <Gmail> Ng: it is when there only binary there are are one built with gcc 2.95
[02:14] <Ng> I'm so not getting into compiler discussions, but I will say that almost anything you've read in gentoo world about gcc is bollocks ;)
[02:14] <Ng> pardon my french
[02:15] <Gmail> franch?
[02:15] <paulproteus> "Pardon my French" is an expression used by American English speakers to half-apologize for using harsh language.
[02:15] <Wiseguy> ?!
[02:15] <rory__> lol
[02:15] <Wiseguy> weird
[02:16] <Gmail> harsh?
[02:16] <paulproteus> The word "bollocks" here.
[02:16] <Ng> paulproteus: I beg your pardon, but I am a proper English speaker :)
[02:16] <Wiseguy> very "harsh"
[02:16] <paulproteus> Ng: Oh, I didn't realize it was in English English, too.
[02:16] <paulproteus> :)
[02:16] <Ribs> it is
[02:16] <Ng> yeah
[02:16] <Wiseguy> thank god I'm learning spanish
[02:17] <rory__> yeah
[02:17] <Ribs> We don't all go around throwing teabags at each other and calling each other 'wankers'
[02:17] <Ng> hehe
[02:17] <Wiseguy> if you want to
[02:17] <Wiseguy> *starts the throwing*
[02:17] <daniels> ok, guys, offtopic.
[02:17] <Wiseguy> kinda
[02:18] <Ng> sorry, daniels is right
[02:18] <Wiseguy> nothing against a little ot now and then I say
[02:28] <Gmail> woooo netspilt
[02:28] <rory__> wasnt me...
[02:29] <Gmail> rory__: sure as if we belive you
[02:31] <melmes> moin
[02:47] <__learner__> doesa ubuntu have good internationalization?
[02:48] <bob2> it has fairly good
[02:48] <bob2> hoary will be a lot better
[02:49] <__learner__> can I easily install development tools in ubuntu?
[02:49] <herman> which development tools?
[02:50] <__learner__> I need good IDEs and compilers for C++ (I pretend to use the SDL Library) and Java (Ill also need Mysql and Apache Running)
[02:51] <Ng> anjuta is quite nice
[02:51] <Ng> fairly Gnome related, but it should be fine for plain C++
[02:51] <Ng> Java people seem to use Eclipse these days, but that's not in ubuntu yet
[02:51] <Ng> installing it may well be documented in the wiki though
[02:51] <__learner__> but can I add it?
[02:52] <Ng> __learner__: you can install it manually, yes
[02:52] <__learner__> I used JBeans and liked it.
[02:52] <bob2> Rene_S: can you trn that off please?
[02:52] <Rene_S> bob2 turn what off ?
[02:52] <bob2> Rene_S: public away
[02:53] <__learner__> Im almost installing this distro, everyone says good things about it.
[02:53] <Neill> Ng: eclip is very good, but I'd suggest installing it manually unless someone has come up with a way of making dpkg/apt properly cope with java
[02:53] <Rene_S> bob2 ? I am not marked as away
[02:53] <bob2> Rene_S: 23:51:57  *       Rene_S is back (gone 00:52:40)
[02:54] <Rene_S> bob2 Says I am back, looks like it is off then eh ?
[02:54] <bob2> Rene_S: no, configure your client so it never prints it in here again, thanks
[02:55] <lifeless> bob2: whats the issue with it ?
[02:55] <Ng> apart from being really annoying, useless and a waste of bits? ;)
[02:55] <daniels> lifeless: unnecessary clutter
[02:56] <herman> __learner__: i think all tools you need are available in ubuntu. what do you use atm?
[02:56] <thenuke> away scripts and such are generally not tolerated in MANY channels
[02:56] <Rene_S> bob2 okie dokie, I found the thing to shut it off
[02:56] <bob2> Rene_S: thanks!
[02:56] <bob2> lifeless: 303 people running them will make baby jesus cry
[02:57] <Rene_S> bob2 Your welcome
[02:57] <thenuke> it wont look so bad when only someone has it but if for example about everyone in here would think it is absolutely necessary to tell everybody when they leave keyboard and come back.. you imagine the rest :)
[02:57] <Rene_S> baby who ?
[02:57] <rory__> lol
[02:59] <Ng> bob2: here's the father to punish you for that comment ;)
[02:59] <__learner__> I used to  windows tools only.
[03:00] <bob2> hehehe
[03:00] <__learner__> Been using JavaBeans, Dev C++ and Broland C++Builder
[03:00] <stuNNed> hi ubuntu-ers
[03:01] <jessta> hey
[03:01] <stuNNed> hiyas jessta
[03:02] <__learner__> is there anyway to run photoshop in linux? (without vmware)
[03:02] <__learner__> I mean, in ubuntu
[03:02] <stuNNed> __learner__, you could try il-forsaken WINE
[03:02] <Ng> __learner__: I believe Codeweavers Crossover can run some versions of photoshop
[03:03] <__learner__> How many size do you thing I should reserve for the Ubuntu Partition. I will not put any media on it. Just the basic system,  the Dev Apps and some Media Players
[03:03] <stuNNed> __learner__, 4-5gig if possible imho
[03:03] <__learner__> isnt that too much?
[03:04] <__learner__> My HD holds only 30GB.
[03:04] <__learner__> but if you say 5GB it is 5GB
[03:05] <stuNNed> __learner__, my / is 3.8G and that is fresh install
[03:05] <__learner__> Can ubuntu read and write to NTFS partitions? Can linux do that?
[03:05] <Ng> my install is just under 4gb with a bunch of development stuff
[03:05] <Treenaks> __learner__: read: yes, write: no
[03:05] <stuNNed> __learner__, check the ntfs sf.net site
[03:05] <bob2> 1.8GB is the size of the base system
[03:05] <bob2> (desktop base)
[03:09] <__learner__> can the NTFS support be installed latter?
[03:09] <bob2> yes
[03:09] <__learner__> Wow! Is there any way to reduce that 1.8GB base install?
[03:09] <stuNNed> man, sudo -s seems like a real bad idea
[03:11] <stuNNed> # ls -l .bash_history
[03:11] <stuNNed> -rw-------  1 root root 299 2004-12-06 07:45 .bash_history
[03:12] <__learner__> every ubunt fresh install occupies 3.8 GB?
[03:13] <stuNNed> __learner__, probly not
[03:14] <bob2> 00:05:28           bob2 | 1.8GB is the size of the base system
[03:15] <__learner__> why does it need so much space? Is that the ammount, the  space distros are currently using?
[03:15] <bob2> because it includes all of gnome
[03:15] <bob2> and python
[03:15] <bob2> and useful tools lots of people install
[03:15] <BeTa> yop... I'm still ;c) running an ubuntu linux on my PowerBook alu... and it's still crashing randomly...
[03:15] <bob2> you can make it less if you wan
[03:15] <__learner__> Oh great.
[03:15] <bob2> t?
[03:16] <BeTa> I can say that this is not a temperature problem, whereas I've set it to 42c through /sys ... :c/
[03:16] <BeTa> any idea?
[03:16] <BeTa> I think this is crashing when I'm doing lots of different things at the same time
[03:17] <__learner__> So if I get the 4GB partiton, will I have space for installing the dev tools , and the mysql/apache servers
[03:17] <bob2> it may be tight
[03:18] <stuNNed> anyone have linuxant modem driver fail with fifo overrun/underrun?
[03:19] <Kamion> bob2: desktop, not base ...
[03:19] <Kamion> the base system's 350MB
[03:19] <bob2> er, yea, I corrected myself in the next line but didn't paste it again
[03:19] <Kamion> the desktop is actually more like 1.5GB but the installation process uses an extra 300MB of temporary space
[03:19] <Kamion> bob2: oh, right, didn't see that
[03:20] <Ng> and you could slim it down a bit post-install if you don't want things like openoffice, I guess
[03:20] <bob2> you can slim it pre-install, too
[03:20] <Ng> ah, cool. I zipped through the install as quick as I could :)
[03:22] <quake> Hey
[03:24] <Rocha> Hello
[03:24] <Rocha> I've just installed Ubuntu, how can I install the flash plugin in firefox?
[03:24] <Rocha> I already used Synaptic to install "flashplugin-nonfree", but it still doesn't work.
[03:26] <bob2> Rocha: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:26] <Rocha> bob2, thanks, i'll try
[03:27] <BrittMan914> how do i copy a file in console mode?
[03:28] <Rocha> cp file_to_copy destination
[03:28] <BrittMan914> ;) thanks you guys are awesome
[03:28] <BrittMan914> !
[03:28] <Rocha> cp means copy
[03:28] <Rocha> mv means move
[03:28] <BrittMan914> oh cool
[03:28] <BrittMan914> i was tryin copy and move
[03:28] <BrittMan914> thank you again
[03:28] <BrittMan914> have a good one
[03:31] <Rocha> bob2, flash working, thanks
[03:31] <bob2> np
[03:33] <quake> just curious: What's everyone xset setting?
[03:34] <aigarius> a nautilus usability bug here. insert a usb stick. delete a file (to free some space). Try to copy a large file on the stick. File cann't be copied - not enough free space. the deleted file stays in .Trash taking up the space. user has no way of knowing that.
[03:34] <aigarius> can one tell nautilus to directly erase file from certain mount points without usig .Trash ?
[03:35] <bob2> shift-rightclick or something?
[03:35] <aigarius> bob2: i mean in a user friendly way
[03:35] <Rocha> Shift-DEL deletes without moving to trash, just like windows.
[03:36] <aigarius> Rocha: is the same bug revelant in Windows/
[03:36] <aigarius> ?
[03:36] <Simira> what bug?
[03:36] <Rocha> Simira, it's not a bug, it's a usability problem.
[03:36] <Simira> haha
[03:36] <Rocha> aigarius, you can activate the "delete" command in the context sensitive menu
[03:37] <aigarius> yes, but a cueles user will still stumble into the problem
[03:37] <Rocha> aigarius, i agree with you
[03:37] <aigarius> isn't there a way to exclude some dirs from .Trash-ing?
[03:37] <Rocha> Open a directory, Edit->Preferences->Behaviour
[03:37] <Rocha> In wastebasket there is an option "include a delete command...."
[03:38] <Rocha> If you delete a file that way, with right-click->delete, it won't move to trash
[03:38] <aigarius> Rocha: i know that. I am a system architect here - trying to solve that problem forever :)
[03:39] <Rocha> I know no other way around.
[03:39] <aigarius> ow well - will have to read the source :P i hate when it is the only solution.
[03:40] <Rocha> Go to irc.gnome.org
[03:40] <Rocha> Maybe you'll get an answer there.
[03:40] <Rocha> That is not an Ubuntu problem.
[03:41] <rory__> hehe
[03:41] <Rocha> There are a lots of developers there, so you can skip that source reading :P
[03:42] <Rocha> I hope there is a solution to that.
[03:44] <aigarius> Rocha: tnx
[03:45] <Rocha> np
[03:47] <quake_> #fedora
[03:47] <quake_> oops
[03:48] <quake_> No no, I wanted to go to the fedora room but instead I typed #fedora here
[03:49] <quake_> Think what you want... I'm using Ubuntu and NOT fedora
[03:49] <Pitr> 8)
[03:49] <quake_> better? ;)
[03:54] <Amaranth> bob2: You're in Matar?
[03:54] <bob2> yeah
[03:54] <Amaranth> awesome
[03:54] <Amaranth> you've been blogged ;P
[03:54] <Amaranth> http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/mataro-canonical-meeting-2004-12-06-00-51
[03:55] <daniels> bob2 around the world
[03:56] <bob2> heh, yeah
[03:56] <Amaranth> heh
[03:56] <Amaranth> hmm
[03:56] <Amaranth> If I tried to change my order for Ubuntu CDs after they were shipped with it send me two different sets or just ignore the second one?
[03:57] <bob2> try emailing mako
[03:57] <Amaranth> ok
[03:57] <sladen> Amaranth: email mako since the site is only set to ship once per address/account
[03:58] <Amaranth> we're having an install fest at the local lug and i realized i'd probably need more
[03:58] <Amaranth> one question: who is mako? :P
[03:59] <Amaranth> oh, cool
[03:59] <Amaranth> email is in his whois
[04:00] <paulproteus> be back later
[04:07] <MarcusCrassus> I have a Kingston KNE100T NIC that the live CD version of Ubuntu picked up fine, but the installed version didn't detect.  I've not used Kingston NICS in linux before, so can someone tell me what module I need to load for it to work?
[04:12] <traxass> hello !:)
[04:13] <traxass> can you tell me how old is ubuntu?
[04:14] <Simira> uhm.... as what? As a distributed system, under development, or not?
[04:14] <Simira> Warty was released October 11th
[04:14] <traxass> i mean when was it started :)
[04:15] <Simira> Canonical, you mean? And the development of Ubuntu? Early this year, I think.
[04:15] <daniels> traxass: late April or so
[04:16] <traxass> ok thnx
[04:16] <daniels> (but most of the team were not on board at that point)
[04:17] <stuNNed> is there any c++ code in base ubuntu?
[04:18] <stuNNed> or ubuntu rather
[04:18] <bob2> of course
[04:18] <stuNNed> not addon software
[04:18] <bob2> apt if nothing else
[04:18] <stuNNed> bob2, mostly python and c though?
[04:19] <bob2> mostly C
[04:19] <stuNNed> bob2, thanks very much
[04:19] <bob2> very little python
[04:19] <traxass> deb packages works on ubuntu? or it has it's own packages?
[04:20] <bob2> it has it's own
[04:25] <__learner__> is there anyway to get 5.1 sound in linux?
[04:25] <__learner__> I have 5.1 speakers, but they never worked at 5.1 in linux. Is there any way to use it?
[04:28] <chicken_man2004> hi
[04:29] <chicken_man2004> can some well tell me how long it takes for the cd to ship?
[04:29] <chicken_man2004> can some well tell me how long it takes for the cd to ship?
[04:29] <chicken_man2004> helloooo
[04:30] <traxass> don't flood
[04:30] <traxass> if somebody knows - he'll answer
[04:30] <chicken_man2004> :|
[04:30] <Amaranth> chicken_man2004: The site tells you.
[04:30] <rodi> chicken_man2004:  folks were getting it in less than a week, but it's definitely faster to download ;)
[04:31] <Amaranth> "It may take up to several weeks from that date for some packages to leave the factory and the package could spend several weeks in transit to some locations. We can not pinpoint the mailing date of individual packages."
[04:31] <chicken_man2004> 500mb :O
[04:31] <moquist> MarcusCrassus: I see that the de4x5 driver claims to work with Kingston cards.  /usr/src/Documentation/networking/de4x5.txt
[04:31] <traxass> i'm simply downloading it...gonna take ~2-3 hours, not a week
[04:31] <chicken_man2004> i got a 56k modem lol
[04:32] <traxass> uuuu that's bad :D
[04:32] <gfg> wow! Modems rock
[04:32] <traxass> i have cable internet
[04:32] <gfg> LANT3 forever
[04:32] <chicken_man2004> well i mite as well start downloading it
[04:32] <Tomcat_> chicken_man2004: Try to find a friendly Internet cafe with CD toaster :)
[04:32] <Amaranth> chicken_man2004: 500mb on a 56k would take less then a week
[04:32] <traxass> :D
[04:32] <chicken_man2004> mmmm true
[04:32] <chicken_man2004> well ill get started
[04:33] <moquist> bob2: ubuntu has its own packages, but the deb packages work fine, right?  (isn't that what's being enabled with "universe"?)
[04:33] <rodi> chicken_man2004:  make sure do download it with some client that will resume for you if you get kicked off- I think just about any bittorrent client will...
[04:33] <wezzer> yea, deb packs work fine too
[04:34] <Cueball> What version of KDE is availiable with ubuntu ?
[04:35] <bob2> moquist: no, they're built for ubuntu
[04:35] <bob2> if you use .debs from debian, you are on your own
[04:35] <mos__> Cueball: it doesnt come with kde
[04:36] <Rocha> Just a question...
[04:36] <bob2> Cueball: 3.1 in warty
[04:36] <Cueball> Ok cheers
[04:36] <chicken_man2004> emm what 1 do i need?
[04:36] <traxass> and what version of gnome has worthy?
[04:37] <moquist> bob2: k; thx for clarifying.
[04:37] <Rocha> What program can I use to what streaming video on the web?
[04:37] <chicken_man2004> what 1 do i need?
[04:38] <chicken_man2004> amd or i386 ??
[04:38] <chicken_man2004> i use a AMD-k6 prosessor
[04:38] <bob2> then you want i386
[04:38] <chicken_man2004> ok
[04:39] <quake> __learner__, what's your soundcard?
[04:40] <Amaranth> Rocha: You want to watch streaming video or create it?
[04:40] <Amaranth> To watch it get mplayer with the w32codecs and get mozilla-mplayer
[04:40] <Rocha> Just watch
[04:40] <Rocha> ok, thanks
[04:40] <Amaranth> That'll get you Quicktime and WMV formats.
[04:41] <__learner__> no soundcard, just an onboard AC97
[04:41] <Amaranth> For Real you'll need to get Realplayer from http://real.com and setup the firefox plugin on your own
[04:41] <__learner__> motherboard A7V8X-X
[04:41] <quake> And you have 5.1 in windows?
[04:41] <Schmots> Hello
[04:42] <Amaranth> Actually, I think their installer sets up the plugin, you just need to point it to the right plugin dir.
[04:42] <Amaranth> quake: I'm betting it's simulated 5.1
[04:42] <Schmots> After install, how can I define to alsa what driver to use?
[04:43] <quake> go to the console and type "alsamixer" and there, Search for surround
[04:43] <Schmots> and, are the "universe" sources supposed to be like debian's unstable?
[04:43] <Schmots> I know about the alsamixer.
[04:43] <Schmots> I can't use it because it says no cards found.
[04:43] <quake> I was talking to __learner__  ;)
[04:43] <Schmots> oh.. sorry
[04:43] <quake> np
[04:43] <quique> In Warty there ir KDE 3.2.3
[04:43] <quique> I'm using it right now
[04:43] <__learner__> tx quake.
[04:44] <quique> In Hoary there is KDE 3.3.1
[04:44] <__learner__> That is really good news.
[04:44] <__learner__> for me.
[04:44] <Schmots> I tried dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base.. but that only lets you set your auto save options.
[04:44] <Schmots> This silence is defining
[04:45] <rodi> __learner__:  Hoary actually made me a gnome convert.  Or maybe it was just the naked people, now that I think of it.
[04:45] <__learner__> lol!
[04:46] <traxass> what gnome is in worthy? 2.8?
[04:46] <Schmots> 2.8.1
[04:46] <pridkett> hey, does anyone have problems with sound in flash?  it works fine if I have ESD running, but can't seem to get it working without, which is pain because my rhythmbox doesn't like esd.
[04:46] <Rocha> Can I install Acrobat reader from synaptic?
[04:47] <Schmots> so no help on how I can tell alsa it should be using intel_8x0
[04:47] <Schmots> Rocha no
[04:47] <Schmots> but there is a nice install package from adobe for version 4.
[04:47] <Rocha> ok
[04:48] <okplayer02> has has anyone had a good experience with Ubuntu 64 bit  cause i have a AMD 64
[04:49] <okplayer02> im looking to install it beside FC3
[04:49] <Schmots> so no on ecan help me with my sound problem?
[04:50] <quake> Maybe it's better if you post your problem in the forums
[04:50] <quake> But sorry, I'm myself a bewbie :(
[04:51] <quake> newbie*
[04:51] <okplayer02> so has anyone installed ubuntu 64 bit on a laptop
[04:52] <okplayer02> just curious how ur experiences has been with it
[04:53] <Rocha> Where is the w32codecs package?
[04:53] <Rocha> I can't find it
[04:53] <Rocha> I already have multiverse and universe
[04:53] <Rocha> It's in another repository?
[04:53] <traxass> if i understood good, Ubuntu is biult on Debian..so why is it better than Debian. Is it faster? safer?
[04:54] <Schmots> is universe unstable?
[04:54] <Schmots> traxass.. might be a bit safer.
[04:54] <Rocha> Schmots, i think so.
[04:54] <Schmots> 6 month release cycle.
[04:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> Schmots: for debian standarts
[04:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> Schmots: I use universe and multiverse and everything is going on
[04:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> well
[04:55] <Schmots> I have only noticed one package that is outa date.
[04:55] <Schmots> but its one I use all the time.. amsn.
[04:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> Schmots: Use gaim is much better
[04:56] <Schmots> not for msn.
[04:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> Schmots: amsn has an Ubuntu portage on their site with the last version.
[04:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> you can install the binary
[04:56] <Schmots> I have to use msn for work.. and amsn is great
[04:56] <Schmots> I will look at that... thanks
[04:56] <Rocha> Schmots, i have found acrobat reader 5 in synaptic
[04:56] <Rocha> package "acroread"
[04:56] <Schmots> really?  must be a ubuntu package.
[04:57] <Schmots> only had ubuntu on for a day.. ran debian since way back....
[04:57] <Schmots> only switched for a better evolution
[04:57] <Schmots> exchange connector is flaky in unstable.
[04:57] <Rocha> I searched for "acrobat" but the binary name is usually "acroread" so I searched for it :)
[04:59] <_|Imanewbie|_> Rocha: you can also look for Acrobat|less
[05:02] <Tomcat_> How can I downgrade some packages?
[05:02] <Tomcat_> I install several packages for PMTesting (see Wiki), but now I can't get to the old state without removing half of my system...
[05:02] <Tomcat_> +ed
[05:04] <jono> hi all
[05:04] <jono> which is better: RSA or DSA
[05:05] <Ng> DSA
[05:05] <Ng> that's a poor answer to a simple question though ;)
[05:05] <Rocha> I'm behind a proxy so synaptic can't get w32codecs because it has to download a file from mplayerhq.hu
[05:05] <Rocha> I've downloaded the file manualy, where can I put it now so I can continue the installation?
[05:05] <moquist> jono: in a Googlefight, RSA wins 848 to 443.
[05:05] <jono> heh
[05:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> anyone here had problems using bittorent?
[05:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> I get unable to get direct connections status
[05:11] <Rocha> How can I install a package by hand?
[05:11] <Rocha> Without using synaptic?
[05:11] <HcE> apt-get install <package>
[05:11] <Rocha> tnks
[05:12] <HcE> or do you want to install a .deb you downloaded?
[05:12] <Rocha> Nop, I want to install w32codecs
[05:12] <Rocha> But by hand
[05:12] <HcE> ok, apt-get is good
[05:12] <HcE> or you can use aptitude, same parameters
[05:13] <Rocha> Hmmm, apt-get uses wget right?
[05:13] <bob2> apt is not 'by hand'
[05:13] <bob2> it will only work in the same situations synaptic would
[05:13] <thenuke> hey how you do reinstall the grub?
[05:13] <thenuke> I typed chroot /mnt/hda5 (my root partition)  and then grub
[05:13] <Rocha> When I said, by hand, I mean without synaptic
[05:14] <bob2> but there's no gain to that
[05:14] <thenuke> and it just kept probing floppy or something, so I did grub --no-floppy and it gave me different errors :)
[05:14] <Rocha> I just wanted to see the diference.
[05:14] <Rocha> If apt-get uses wget to get the packages, i think i can set the http_proxy environment variable right?
[05:15] <bob2> yes
[05:15] <Rocha> Yup, it worked :)
[05:15] <bob2> if synaptic doesn't support a proxy, tho, it's a bug
[05:15] <Rocha> weeeeee, i'm happy
[05:15] <Rocha> It supports proxy very well
[05:15] <bob2> cool
[05:15] <davux> hi
[05:16] <Rocha> but it uses wget to get w32codecs packages and the proxy should be set for wget too
[05:16] <bob2> erm, no it doesn't
[05:16] <bob2> it gets them the same way apt-get does
[05:16] <Rocha> Nop
[05:16] <Rocha> After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
[05:16] <Rocha> Setting up w32codecs (20040704.2) ...
[05:16] <Rocha> --16:15:16--  http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/essential-20040704.tar.bz2
[05:16] <Rocha>            => `/tmp/essential-20040704.tar.bz2'
[05:17] <Rocha> Resolving proxy.di.fc.ul.pt... <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:17] <Rocha> Connecting to proxy.di.fc.ul.pt[<IP_ADDRESS>] :3128... connected.
[05:17] <Rocha> Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[05:17] <Rocha> Length: 8,123,741 [application/x-tar]
[05:17] <Rocha> It uses wget
[05:17] <bob2> what on earth is that?
[05:17] <bob2> that's not apt
[05:17] <bob2> or it's a really cracked w32codecs package
[05:17] <Rocha> Nop, but I did sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:17] <Rocha> And w32codecs needs files from the mplayer website
[05:17] <bob2> where from?
[05:17] <Rocha> And they are downloaded using wget
[05:17] <bob2> wow
[05:18] <bob2> oh, and you didn't export the proxy for synaptic, so wget didn't get it
[05:18] <bob2> I get it now
[05:18] <Rocha> I just set the proxy for synaptic
[05:18] <Rocha> And it works for apt-get
[05:19] <Rocha> But in this case, since it has to call wget, the proxy is not set (just for wget)
[05:19] <Rocha> That should be easy to correct
[05:19] <Rocha> Just see if the proxy variable is set and pass the proxy arguments to wget
[05:20] <jono> anyone know how to install thunderbird modules for all users?
[05:21] <Rocha> Hmmm, streaming still doesn't work
[05:21] <Rocha> firefox shows "mplayerplug-in" but it doesn't play
[05:22] <ChibiFS> I...seriously don't understand the advantage of the ubuntu security model. -_-;
[05:23] <Rocha> Anyone here with firefox video streaming working?
[05:23] <ChibiFS> 'Okay, lets disable the root account and prevent you from making root repairs to the system, and not only that, but lets give the user that can be logged onto with SSH full sudo access to the machine, with a sudo password matching the user password'
[05:23] <bob2> please don't spread FUD
[05:24] <_|Imanewbie|_> ChibiFS: I agree with you in some points
[05:24] <bob2> you can trivially make ' root repairs to the system'
[05:24] <Treenaks> ChibiFS: uh, please read http://www.ubuntulinux.og/wiki/RootSudo
[05:24] <Treenaks> ChibiFS: booting into single user (Recovery) mode won't ask you for a password, and give you a root shell
[05:24] <_|Imanewbie|_> ChibiFS: ssh shouldnt be enabled bydefault
[05:24] <ChibiFS> :/ It is.
[05:24] <Amaranth> No it isn't.
[05:24] <Treenaks> ChibiFS: and by default, all ports are closed. you choose to install sshd
[05:25] <_|Imanewbie|_> Amaranth: yes it is and it is wrong Imho
[05:25] <davux> hi
[05:25] <bob2> ChibiFS: no, ssh is absolutely not running by default
[05:25] <Amaranth> I had to install it.
[05:25] <ChibiFS> Maybe something else installed it. :/
[05:25] <davux> sorry, I don't understand how shippit.ubuntulinux.org works...
[05:25] <davux> any expert ? :)
[05:26] <bob2> the client is installed, the server requires user intervention
[05:26] <bob2> davux: which bit?
[05:26] <Amaranth> Anyone with enough clue to know they want sshd should understand the security issues.
[05:26] <spiv> davux: What do you need to know? :)
[05:26] <mako> davux: sure, i know a fe things about it
[05:26] <_|Imanewbie|_> davux: ypu subscribe for an account
[05:26] <mako> davux: what do you want to know? :)
[05:26] <Amaranth> Oh, mako is here now, cool.
[05:26] <davux> happy to get so many answers at a time !
[05:26] <_|Imanewbie|_> davux: give them some personal information, you home adresss and stuff
[05:26] <Amaranth> I was too lazy to email so I suppose I can ask you now.
[05:26] <Amaranth> :)
[05:26] <davux> in fact, I ordered 15 CD's some time ago
[05:26] <mako> Amaranth: i was running a bof a few minutes
[05:26] <mako> davux: right
[05:26] <davux> providing my snail-mail address
[05:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> davux: ad they ship you the cds with no cost
[05:27] <mako> davux: define "a time ago"
[05:27] <Amaranth> mako: Well, my order shipped but I changed it afterward.
[05:27] <mako> davux: if you ordered cds before oct 19, you should have them already or will get them soon
[05:27] <davux> hmm... say some weeks, nearly one month
[05:27] <Amaranth> I didn't realize it had shipped, I was hoping to get more CDs for an install fest.
[05:27] <ChibiFS> Amaranth- Yeah, but the security they start you off with in that sense is worse than just setting them out as a root user. The only person it protects you from is yourself. :/
[05:27] <mako> if you ordered if after oct 19th but before november 20th or so, those cd started shipping today
[05:28] <davux> but now, when I go back to the website, I always see the same: personal information, how many CD, and that's all
[05:28] <bob2> ChibiFS: if you're logged into the machine locally, uou can have root in minutes
[05:28] <davux> so I wonder whether I missed something ?
[05:28] <Amaranth> ChibiFS: On a desktop machine that's the most important thing to do.
[05:28] <Rocha> Hmmm, acroread package doesn't work :(
[05:28] <Amaranth> Protect the user from themself. :P
[05:28] <kent> Rocha, whats the problem? it works for me.
[05:28] <mako> Amaranth: you can either (a) have someone else order the cds for the install fest or (b) email me and i will special case you for the next order
[05:28] <Amaranth> ok
[05:28] <Amaranth><EMAIL_ADDRESS>ok?
[05:28] <bob2> Rocha: the perils of non-Free software...
[05:28] <ChibiFS> Heh, still, I think the sudo and user passwords should be differed.
[05:28] <bob2> ;-)
[05:28] <davux> mako: is there a way to know when I ordered the CD's ?
[05:28] <ChibiFS> :/
[05:28] <mako> Amaranth: less than ideal :)
[05:29] <Rocha> bob2, yeah :D
[05:29] <mako> davux: it's not displayed in the interface
[05:29] <bob2> ChibiFS: is that actually possible under sudo?
[05:29] <bob2> ChibiFS: and how is that different to creating a root account?
[05:29] <davux> mako: is it stored anyhow ?
[05:29] <mako> davux: i will update the webpage with all of the shipment2 folks and it will show up