[02:54] <Unit193> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/04/msg00000.html \o/
[02:55] <jenni> [ Bits from keyring-maint [action required] ] - https://bit.ly/2ovOj8V
[13:26] <yano> http://www.10tv.com/article/only-drill-first-responders-prep-potential-disaster-columbus
[13:26] <jenni> [ This is only a drill: First responders prep for potential disaster in Columbus | WBNS-10TV Columbus, Ohio | Columbus News, Weather & Sports ] - https://bit.ly/2nT9jmX
[17:24] <yano> http://nbc4i.com/2017/04/04/amber-alert-issued-for-3-year-old-and-5-year-old-children/
[17:24] <jenni> [ Amber Alert issued for 3-year-old and 5-year-old children abducted in Lake County, Ohio | NBC4i.com ] - https://bit.ly/2oymk8N


[09:54] <Burgundavia> anybody alive?
[10:37] <popey> moo!
[10:38] <Burgundavia> hey popey
[10:39] <Burgundavia> when the fridge starts responding to me, can you approve something cna get it posted in about 4 hrs orso (I just went live with my 10 in 10 story, that is why)
[10:39] <popey> ok
[10:40] <popey> ping when it's done
[10:42] <Burgundavia> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1167
[10:44] <Burgundavia> do you mind also checking the just live story for spelling errors?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> I don't trust myself at midnight, let alone almost 2am
[10:46] <popey> sure, corrected a couple of typos
[10:46] <popey> want it published whilst I am there?
[10:47] <Burgundavia> the lxer story?
[10:47] <Burgundavia> wait a bit
[10:47] <popey> yes
[10:47] <popey> ok
[10:47] <popey> saved changes without publishing
[10:49] <Burgundavia> rocking
[10:49] <Burgundavia> the fridge has been humming along recently
[10:53] <popey> :)


[00:22] <akgraner> blame miscommunication on me  - not sure how I didn't explain it well  - but I did..
[01:01] <pleia2> ok, http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/InternationalWomensDay/HowIDiscoveredUbuntu is all done
[01:01] <pleia2> prolly should link the video and stuff
[02:09] <IdleOne> I really like Jen Phillips's story.
[02:11] <valorie> is that the bus/train/car/wings one?
[02:11] <valorie> if so, me too
[02:12] <IdleOne> yes it is
[02:12] <valorie> the metaphor is so simple
[02:12] <valorie> makes a charming story
[02:12] <IdleOne> yup
[02:13] <IdleOne> didn't really fit into the scope of How she got into ubuntu but still made an impression on me
[02:13] <IdleOne> then again maybe it did
[02:13] <IdleOne> heh
[02:13] <pleia2> sure it did :)
[02:14] <IdleOne> in any case. I LIKED IT! and that is all that matters :P
[02:14] <pleia2> me too
[02:15] <IdleOne> I was a little disappointed when she went back to using the bus but I could see there was light at the end of the tunnel
[02:15] <valorie> haha, IdleOne
[02:16] <IdleOne> more disappointed for her though. Once you have learned to fly, it is a drag to have to go back to waiting for a bus :)
[02:17] <IdleOne> am I taking the story to personal?
[02:17] <IdleOne> lol
[02:17] <valorie> there are pilots in real life who still use the other modes of transport
[02:17] <valorie> :-)
[02:17] <valorie> where's my jetpack?
[02:20] <IdleOne> valorie: I am sure they are always a little sad when they have to land again
[04:49] <akgraner> hey any uw mailing list moderators around?  I just sent the email winner announcement to the list I included all the links for the news team to add it to the fridge I think it is awaiting moderation :-)
[04:50] <akgraner> Thanks :-)
[04:52] <elky> i think pleia2 can handle that stuff, just a matter of if she's round i guess
[04:53] <elky> hmm, she's not listed... svaksha is though
[04:58] <pleia2> nope, not me
[05:07] <nhandler> Well, the list admins are vid at svaksha.com, hangulanv at yahoo.com, alejandra.ruiz at gmail.com, jamfish728 at gmail.com . There might be more people with access though
[05:14] <pleia2> there arent, i think svaksha is the only one on irc
[05:14] <pleia2> we've had this problem before :\
[05:15] <nhandler> Well, if you can't get a hold of any of them, you could probably file an RT ticket to gain access to the list
[05:19] <pleia2> I'm sure someone will turn up :)
[05:32] <nhandler> akgraner: I just got the version sent to the news-team. I'll post it tomorrow unless someone beats me to it
[06:14] <elky> akgraner, feel free to get me added to the mod list if you like
[06:15] <elky> you get to do stuff like mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and request stuff like that now that you're the grand poobah
[07:01] <pleia2> cool, a fellow from a loco left me a message asking how we did our contest
[07:01]  * pleia2 told him to drop by here
[07:01] <pleia2> and gave him the basics
[07:01] <pleia2> we are inspiring others in the community \o/
[07:18] <elky> w00t
[07:41] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <valorie> Mamarok: how are you doing?
[07:55] <Mamarok> hi valorie :)
[07:55] <valorie> :-)
[08:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:35] <elky> yay nigelb!
[10:36] <AlanBell> yay!
[10:36] <nigelb> AlanBell: I think I'm in shock
[10:37] <elky> :)
[10:37] <elky> for those not there, he ended up with 2 of the board giving testimony and got unanimous +1
[10:39] <valorie> high fives!
[10:40] <nigelb> thanks valorie :)
[10:40] <czajkowski> nigelb: well done
[10:40] <nigelb> thanks czajkowski :)
[10:40] <nigelb> I guess reading the logs of membership meetings helped
[13:23] <akgraner> nhandler - thanks!  elky pleia2 I'll look into mailing list stuff today :-)
[13:25] <elky> if you consider it borderline urgent, you could probably drop in to #canonical-sysadmin and mention the word "mailman" and head in the general direction of the whimpering
[13:26] <akgraner> elky, I don't do whimpering well - but I have been known to whine upon occasion ;-P
[13:27] <elky> well, /they/ are the ones whimpering
[13:27]  * elky hands akgraner a strong coffee
[13:29] <akgraner> I need an IV drip of strong coffee :-)
[13:31]  * elky knows who'se going to be first in line for the 32oz starbucks frappes
[13:33] <akgraner> you got it!  I'm already developing a habit for the large Caramel Coffee Frappes at McDonalds - drop the kids off at school - then zip through the drive through the back home to handle the day :-)
[13:34] <MichelleQ> morning
[13:35] <akgraner> MichelleQ, hey!
[13:36] <MichelleQ> I am drastically undercaffenated this morning.  Gah.
[13:38] <akgraner> MichelleQ, that is a serious issue - you gotta fix that at once
[13:38] <MichelleQ> I'm headed to drop a child off for dance, and then to go get some caffeine.
[13:38] <akgraner> :-)
[13:39] <MichelleQ> need to figure out a way to sufficiently embarrass the hubs today.  It's his birthday!
[13:47] <czajkowski> akgraner: boo
[13:47] <akgraner> czajkowski, howdy :-)
[13:48] <czajkowski> doody
[13:48] <czajkowski> :)
[13:49] <akgraner> :-P
[13:50] <czajkowski> akgraner: I got 4+ hrs sleep, and cleared inbox so rather chuffed
[13:52]  * akgraner hands czajkowski a box of smiles and sunshine ;-p
[13:53] <dinda> geez, you folks are up early :)
[13:53] <dinda> akgraner: nice interview with emmajane :)
[13:53] <czajkowski> akgraner: we have spint also so am even happier
[13:53] <czajkowski> dinda: it's 13:53 here :)
[13:54] <dinda> czajkowski: I'm timezone impaired ;)
[13:54] <czajkowski> dinda: aye happens me somes, and akgraner doesnt help it either with her being awake at all hours also
[13:54] <dinda> czajkowski: I will be contacting you and a few others soon about beta testing the new desktop course
[13:55] <akgraner> czajkowski, spint?  or did you mean pints  - I never know with you :-P
[13:55] <akgraner> dinda, sweet!!!
[13:56] <czajkowski> dinda: great I just upgraded at the weekend, looking forward to this now
[13:56] <czajkowski> akgraner: spring
[13:56] <czajkowski> :)
[13:56] <czajkowski> even worse than usual I know
[13:56]  * czajkowski got a ton of NGO work done last night so that's what's  taken me so long
[13:57] <czajkowski> taking peoples emails and comments and putting them into headings in one document so I can go create paper jams/bugs
[13:58] <akgraner> czajkowski, that is great! I am really excited seeing the progress on the NGO front from cycle to cycle - I wish I could do more that just offer encouragement but plate is too full - and besides you all have a handle on it :-)
[13:58] <czajkowski> akgraner: dont spread yerself thin
[13:58] <czajkowski> tis all good
[13:58] <czajkowski> I know when and where to find you should I need your help
[13:59] <akgraner> czajkowski, nope "No" is fast becoming my new fav word and concept
[14:00] <akgraner> Oh one of my talks got picked up the the Texas Linux Fest!!!  :-)
[14:00] <czajkowski> akgraner: I look at it this way, I can only do so much, if I take on more sure I can prolly swing it, but means other stuff won't get done as well
[14:02] <akgraner> czajkowski, totally agree - so I just say - I want to help out but at this point in time I just cant take on any more, but check bag with me I think what you are doing is important (well if I think that it is).  that's my polite "no" these days
[14:05] <czajkowski> wow
[14:05] <czajkowski> :p
[14:06] <akgraner> back not bag (but you know what I meant)
[14:07] <czajkowski> of course
[14:53] <elky> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Home <-- we can has bar announcing winners, whee
[15:31] <akgraner> elky, loving the home page and you and pleia2 are rocking with the story wiki page - thanks!!
[15:39] <czajkowski> akgraner: pics from the Skynet Ubuntu talk http://pix.ie/czajkowski/album/370759
[15:40] <akgraner> czajkowski, thanks!
[23:44] <elky> For lols, a comment from a friend about the stories: "I like the idea of toilet graffiti playing a role in converting someone to Ubuntu."


[01:05] <pleia2> kdub: that's what I said :)
[01:42]  * MarkDude would like to apologize for swearing, that was a grievous error :(
[01:43] <pleia2> it's ok you didn't swear *here* :)
[01:44] <pleia2> it started a discussion about paste protection in irc clients
[01:44] <MarkDude> Well trust me- I was cursing up a storm- irl
[01:44]  * MarkDude can imagine
[01:45]  * MarkDude had his ballmouse sitting next to him, and just moved a *bit* quite enough tho
[01:46]  * MarkDude soon noticed that the 6 line limit on paste did not exist
[01:48] <MarkDude> We just confirmed the order for dinner at CLS. I wanted to ask folks opinions on the idea of having a session on making hackergotchis
[01:49] <pleia2> ok, heading downstairs to the ubuntu hour
[01:49] <MarkDude> pleia2,  have fun with it
[01:49] <pleia2> we're having a debian dinner after, so even if you realize you'll miss the ubuntu hour, come for dinner! :) http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/612/detail/
[01:49] <MarkDude> Take pics
[01:50] <MarkDude> You can post to the Cali team FB page- you are admin
[01:50] <pleia2> oh, neat
[01:50]  * pleia2 packs camera
[01:56] <pleia2> wow FAIL, the roastery is closing early!
[01:57] <pleia2> :(
[01:57] <MarkDude> Crap
[01:58] <akk> oh no!
[01:58] <akk> anywhere nearby?
[01:58] <pleia2> well there is the dinner place
[01:59] <pleia2> but no good way to notify ppl
[02:00] <pleia2> and i have no reception in there
[02:09] <pleia2> hm, no one yet
[05:23] <pleia2> well, that ended up working out fine :)
[05:23] <pleia2> we hung out outside for a while, nUboon2Age and jtatum came by and around 6:50 we wandered over to dinner
[05:24] <pleia2> ended up being 7 of us at dinner
[05:24] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: I found my name in the book! http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5350716877/
[05:33] <pleia2> added some photos from tonight to my ubuntuhour stream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/tags/ubuntuhour/
[06:17] <MarkDude> Cool pics pleia2 it worked ok :)
[06:29] <jyo> I just visited #ubuntu for the first time. Not sure if I made it to 5 minutes.
[06:30] <MarkDude> jyo, I hear you- its hectic in there
[17:12] <jamie> morning everyone
[17:14] <MarkDude> morning jamie
[17:14] <jamie> hey mark
[17:15]  * MarkDude is acting like a child- running around showing people his name on the speakers list for Scale :)
[17:15] <MarkDude> https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/speakers
[17:15]  * MarkDude has his name on the same list as akk
[17:15] <akk> Cool, MarkDude!
[17:16] <MarkDude> I think that could be a law or theorem, if you find your name next to akk- it is most likely for good reasons :D
[17:16] <MarkDude> Ty akk
[17:23] <kdub> DarkwingDuck: speaking of scale9x, are you going?
[17:24] <sn9> DarkwingDuck: and did you make that call?
[17:24]  * MarkDude has Stellarium set up on his Strata- it will work well to attract folks eyeballs-
[17:25] <MarkDude> even more so for the demo version that show numerous stars, planets, etc
[17:33] <kdub> MarkDude: you mean, you set up stellarium in your car? how does that work?
[17:34] <MarkDude> kdub, no - my laptop the Strata 3660
[17:34] <MarkDude> The Team is going to use it and maybe 2 other my Linux lab machines at Scale
[17:35] <MarkDude> The program is awesome
[17:35] <kdub> the car is a strat/us/ anyways
[17:35] <MarkDude> lol
[17:36] <MarkDude> That would be both cool and dangerous to have on the inside of a car :D
[17:39]  * kdub still wants tron lights on his car
[17:41] <MarkDude> lol
[17:41] <MarkDude> Jono says the weirdest geek experience he had was taking a pic with tron-guy and a dude dressed up as the GNU bison
[17:42]  * MarkDude hopes your tron-cycle would look better than the tightness of tron guys suit :)
[17:42] <sn9> bison is gnu yacc
[17:43] <MarkDude> lol
[17:43] <MarkDude> Same trainwreck- different name
[17:43]  * MarkDude stand corrected :)
[17:44] <sn9> a gnu is also called a wildebeest
[17:44] <akk> The GNU animal is a gnu, strangely enough. :)
[17:45]  * MarkDude is also called a wildebeest - lol
[17:47] <sn9> http://www.nyanko.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fas/hat_gnu.html
[17:50] <sn9> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqgPyqyh4X4
[17:51] <MarkDude> Severed Fifth should do a cover of that song- right after they redo the software freedom song
[18:12] <DarkwingDuck> kdub: Yes, I'll be there.
[18:12] <DarkwingDuck> sn9: Left a message... I think we will only have like 4 passes if it's like it was last year.
[18:13] <MarkDude> nixie may make it to Scale also- she should be willing to help at the booth for a bit if so :)
[18:14] <MarkDude> Let us at least try to have a lunch or 2 toghtere
[18:14] <sn9> DarkwingDuck: any clue how the 4 get distributed this year?
[18:15] <MarkDude> the team did not do that last year- most project meet up at least once while there
[18:15] <MarkDude> sn9,  like Mad Max
[18:15] <MarkDude> 2 men enter, 1 man leaves
[18:15] <MarkDude> :)
[18:16] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[18:16] <DarkwingDuck> sn9: Once I have confermation of how many I'm sure we will come up with a way.
[18:16] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck,  would be wearing the small person on his back
[18:16] <MarkDude> or maybe prorate it
[18:17] <MarkDude> take the number of folks- divide by the value- everyone pays $17 or wahtever
[18:17] <sn9> DarkwingDuck: ETA?
[18:18] <sn9> i'm not registering until i can weigh costs/benefits of doing so
[18:18] <DarkwingDuck> sn9: good question. :) I'll find more info today hopefully then I'll hit the ML
[18:18] <DarkwingDuck> I know the passes will be vendor passes so whoever gets them will lead the setup.
[18:19] <sn9> i don't regularly look at the ML. guess i should
[18:20] <kdub> DarkwingDuck: i'm going, and last I heard, phil's going as well. i'm trying to arrange cars for getting up there
[18:20] <DarkwingDuck> sn9: you in here all the time?
[18:20] <DarkwingDuck> kdub: I have a mini-van so we can see what we can do... Not sure if the wife is going to be able to make it... all depends on if we can get child care or not.
[18:20] <sn9> DarkwingDuck: this week i've been here very little
[18:21] <DarkwingDuck> sn9: I'll find a way to let you know.
[18:21] <sn9> (408)37-COMPU
[18:21] <DarkwingDuck> sn9: PM me your email and I'll shoot you an email when I find out.
[18:21] <kdub> DarkwingDuck: when it gets closer to the time, we'll make solid plans about getting up htere, I can drive, might not be staying all of the days
[18:22] <DarkwingDuck> kdub: I'll be staying there the entire time.
[18:23] <sn9><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:23] <DarkwingDuck> sn9: can you /msg that to me so it doesn't get lost :)
[18:23] <sn9><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:28] <sn9> DarkwingDuck: still need a /msg?
[18:29] <DarkwingDuck> Would be nice :)
[19:37] <jdeslip> Good morning all.  :)
[19:38] <MarkDude> Greeting jdeslip
[19:43] <jdeslip> MarkDude: Busy setting up CLS?
[19:44] <MarkDude> Dude, you have no idea
[19:44] <MarkDude> I cant take a job until maybe the end of Feb
[19:44] <jdeslip> You are going to be busy after the event, too?
[19:44]  * MarkDude decided to help do some stuff with Sugar
[19:44] <jdeslip> ah
[19:45]  * MarkDude has 4 talks he is working on
[19:45] <jdeslip> lol
[19:45] <MarkDude> Still trying to start a UW like group in Fedora
[19:45] <MarkDude> looks like that is gaining traction
[19:46] <MarkDude> At this point it is called  dont exclude yourself
[19:46] <jdeslip> Not bad
[19:46] <jdeslip> Is there much difference in ratio of women in Ubuntu vs Fedora?
[19:46] <MarkDude> Most importantly tho- trying to find other folks to join with wearing the penguin suit
[19:47] <MarkDude> Yes - fedora still has a rep for not being friendly
[19:47] <MarkDude> although i have not seen it
[19:48] <MarkDude> It is changing tho- Karsten wants things to be equal- and for folks to be treated as peers- so it is much easier if you know that you have some support
[19:49]  * MarkDude just found a person from South America willing to get a suit also- I am ordering it today
[19:49]  * MarkDude is exporting this silliness
[19:49] <MarkDude> How are you doing?
[19:49] <jdeslip> Not too bad.
[19:50] <jdeslip> Got to write my thesis and graduate this semester ... :/
[19:50] <MarkDude> Oh Sarah Manley said she would be there on Sat (wikia- formerly of Open Street Map
[19:50]  * jdeslip would like to continue this lifestyle forever
[19:50] <MarkDude> When can i call you Professor Jack?
[19:50] <MarkDude> Hmm no reason i cant start now :)
[19:52] <jdeslip> Looks like I will be "Post-doc" jack before that
[19:53] <jdeslip> A lot of hoops to jump through before you can get a proferssorship
[19:53] <MarkDude> I know
[19:53] <MarkDude> thats true
[19:53] <MarkDude> You know that G's middle name is NOT really MFing - correct? lol
[19:54] <jdeslip> I assumed ;)
[19:54]  * jdeslip doesn't know what his middle name is
[19:54]  * MarkDude secretly hopes it is Floyd, or maybe Mortimer
[19:57] <jdeslip> How come you never where the feet for your suite: http://www.amazon.com/Zoogster-Adult-Penguin-Costume/dp/B001GDGT8W
[20:08] <MarkDude> To protect the general public
[20:08] <MarkDude> They might get into a frenzy over the penguin sexiness
[20:08] <MarkDude> I will wear them to the next thing tho


[00:16] <powersj> nacc: sorry for the failure emails; I eventually realized I was using the wrong type of quotes *sigh*
[00:17] <powersj> I need to get the VM to recognize lp: git addresses now and should be set
[00:17] <nacc> powersj: cool
[00:42] <powersj> nacc: ok.. that took longer than expected :\ https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/git-ubuntu-ci/326/console
[00:42] <powersj> I'll check on it later tonight, but it is running now
[06:25] <cpaelzer> smoser: thanks for the cross check, very interesting that you can not reproduce this
[06:25] <cpaelzer> smoser: that lures me deeper into this rabbit hole
[06:26] <cpaelzer> save me if I don't get out :-)
[06:26] <cpaelzer> nacc: "more context" is a vast exaggeration, I just made it migrate back then with the changes :-)
[06:27] <cpaelzer> nacc: but I surely can take a look and hopefully propose something that you can check when you are back online
[06:28] <cpaelzer> good morning server chan btw
[06:34] <cpaelzer> smoser: I'm further throu my mails - so you finally could reproduce
[06:39] <cpaelzer> I'll do the open-vm-tools portion and we can leave bug 1750780 for a thought by xnox (for systemd on xenial) then
[07:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:05] <cpaelzer> hi lordievader, how are you?
[07:05] <lordievader> Doing allright here, how are you?
[07:07] <cpaelzer> fine as well today
[07:12] <lordievader> 👍
[11:08] <tobasco> jamespage: thanks for the help with gnocchi, i'm working on it now, but i noticed another issue when fixing this the panko-common package in queens no longer supplies /usr/share/panko-common/app.wsgi i can only find /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/panko/api/app.wsgi is this intentional?
[11:08] <tobasco> i.e apache2 won't start because /usr/share/panko-common/app.wsgi is not present anymore
[11:31] <cpaelzer> nacc: is https://code.launchpad.net/~nacc/ubuntu/+source/kopanocore/+git/kopanocore/+merge/337021 to be considered dead then?
[13:33] <cpaelzer> nacc: I have two different approaches to the kopanocore merge in build atm
[13:33] <cpaelzer> once that works I'll go on to some tests
[13:33] <cpaelzer> at least later today you should have a MP if not showstoppers come along
[13:35] <cpaelzer> I'm iterating on some minor cleanups while build/test goes on
[13:35] <cpaelzer> so don't take the ppa content as final
[14:04] <smoser> cpaelzer: maybe i didnt respond. I *did* reproduce it.
[14:04] <smoser> it was just really really wierd to me that I didn't see any output from the shell "can't open file" or something.
[14:06] <cpaelzer> smoser: all fine
[14:06] <cpaelzer> smoser: I later found your latter update in the bug
[14:07] <smoser> good deal.
[14:07] <smoser> it seems to me that in bionic systemd is a bit overzealous
[14:07] <smoser> in PrivateTmp then means local-fs.target
[14:07] <cpaelzer> at least it adds some dependencies
[14:07] <smoser> when, clearly having /tmp and /var/tmp is much different than all filesystems.
[14:07] <cpaelzer> instead of failing on it's own features
[14:07] <smoser> yes
[14:07] <smoser> better
[14:08] <cpaelzer> I don't even think it adds full local-fs.target btw
[14:08] <cpaelzer> not tested, but what I saw in the dep chain was no full local-fs
[14:08] <smoser> oh. i thought it did. your critical-chain i thoguht showed them.
[14:08] <smoser> ah.
[14:08] <cpaelzer> some -tmp target
[14:08] <smoser> ok.
[14:08] <cpaelzer> smoser: systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
[14:08] <cpaelzer> not sure if that is better, but it is different :-)
[14:09] <smoser> right. systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
[14:09] <smoser> but *that* does wait for local-fs.target
[14:09] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Gz2rnyqNxT/
[14:09] <cpaelzer> hehe
[14:09] <cpaelzer> well
[14:09] <cpaelzer> that is how it is
[14:09] <cpaelzer> for now
[14:10] <cpaelzer> I don't see a much better thing to wait on for it
[14:10] <smoser> cpaelzer: thanks for working on this.
[14:10] <cpaelzer> and I like the waiting more than the racy fail
[14:10] <smoser> for sure.
[14:10] <cpaelzer> smoser: I thank you for check/comments having helped to understand it way better
[15:43] <cpaelzer> nacc: I need to bsiect on kopano
[15:43] <cpaelzer> nacc: it is not a clean sync
[15:43] <cpaelzer> I have 5 changes Debian didn't pick and I confirmed we need some of them
[15:43] <cpaelzer> I need to iterate on the tests which ones we could drop and which we need as a hard requirement
[16:13] <cpaelzer> nacc: people run into "fun" with the default depends being mariadb-client | default-mysql-client | virtual-mysql-client
[16:13] <cpaelzer> nacc: do you think we should change the order so that by default mysql is installed by the dependency
[16:13] <cpaelzer> ?
[16:14] <cpaelzer> actually, this isn't seeded/main right
[16:48] <rbasak> nacc: one issue with my most recent fixes is that they need the Bionic version of gnupg2 (the Artful version won't do). Will this affect the snap at all? Eg. do we need to add a gnupg part?
[17:35] <GoopAway> So, at my school, they have Windows 7 (and probably some Microsoft server somewhere), and they've allowed me to log in to 1 computer with special credentials, and log into another computer in the area with the same credentials. I know none of these are zero clients, and its weird (IIRC) they have physical accounts and accounts that only work if the server and computer connect. How would I do the same thing for Ubuntu?
[17:38] <dpb1> GoopAway: sounds like roaming profiles in Microsoft.  I'd start here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/198158/how-do-i-set-up-a-roaming-profile -- warning, it's not a checkbox or anything.  It takes pretty good sysadmin knowledge to get going.
[17:42] <GoopAway> Is it possible to have Windows machines connect to a network that spoofs the LDAP server they're looking for?
[17:42] <TJ-> GoopAway: no; Windows Active Directory uses Kerberos and authenticates in both directions
[17:43] <jdr> you would have to forge kerberos tickets
[18:02] <rbasak> nacc: my MP CI failure: looks like the snap isn't bundling the test files?
[19:07] <arunpyasi> Hi everyone, how fine is it to upgrade the distro from 14.04 to 16.04 ?
[19:07] <arunpyasi> sory
[19:07] <arunpyasi> 10.10 to 16.04
[19:07] <arunpyasi> *10.04 to 16.04
[19:09] <Ussat> thats a big jump
[19:09] <Ussat> I would not personally
[19:11] <sarnold> arunpyasi: the supported upgrade path is through 12.04 LTS, 14.04 LTS, then 16.04 LTS. A fresh install might be more reliable
[19:11] <jdr> thats a huge jump.
[19:11] <dpb1> arunpyasi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[19:12] <sarnold> hopefully there's enough 12.04 LTS left on the mirror network due to the 12.04 ESM support offering still live
[19:13] <TJ-> it's all on old-releases
[19:13] <dpb1> sarnold: and it's still in the real archive
[19:14] <dpb1> fwiw
[19:14] <sarnold> yay
[19:14] <sarnold> then this path stands a chance of working ;)
[19:14] <dpb1> ya, would be a fun experiment. :)
[19:21] <arunpyasi> :)
[19:22] <arunpyasi> Thanks for your support. I guess I shall go with the fresh and migration
[19:30] <jdr> Anyone run a ubuntu server distro on digital ocean, and can run a user compiled kernel?
[19:31] <dpb1> jdr: 1) yes, 2) never done it
[19:32] <jdr> I can get it to compile, modules installed, go to reboot and kernel panic.
[19:33] <jdr> I have reached out to DO, and have read a few articles saying you cant install, and a few that say you can
[19:39] <TJ-> jdr: in the config have you choosen the "DigitalOcean GrubLoader" ?
[19:48] <jdr> no i did not
[19:57] <nacc> rbasak: you didn't add them to the MANIFEST.in
[20:11] <pmatulis> why is there no 16.04.4 download here: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server ?
[20:14] <sarnold> pmatulis: I don't think we've released one yet, no one's amended https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases to show one
[20:14] <Ussat> pmatulis, I would not be concerned, get .3, use that, update as needed
[20:18] <sbeattie> pmatulis, sarnold: indeed, 16.04.4 iso testing is underway, it's not been released yet.
[20:19] <sarnold> cool :)
[20:24] <rbasak> nacc: I thought you said I didn't need to? I'll do that :)
[20:24] <nacc> rbasak: sorry, I thought I said you *did* need to :)
[20:25] <rbasak> nacc: I went away with the impression that everything in gitubuntu got included by virtue of it already being picked up as a Python package. Anyway no big deal :)
[20:25] <nacc> rbasak: right, all *.py does
[20:25] <nacc> rbasak: but not non-python files
[20:26] <nacc> rbasak: you have to expliclitly make them package data via either package_data in setuptools or the MANIFEST.in
[20:26] <rbasak> Ah, OK.
[20:26] <rbasak> I've added it to MANIFEST.in and pushed
[20:27] <rbasak> We can squash that before merging if it passes perhaps?
[20:27] <rbasak> I don't mind either way.
[20:27] <nacc> rbasak: yeah i can do that if it passes
[20:27] <nacc> rbasak: if it does, i'll land it, feel free to eod
[20:27] <rbasak> Thanks
[21:08] <pmatulis> sarnold, sbeattie: thanks for the info
[21:10] <nacc> rbasak: err, are you depending on gpgv behavior from the bionic version?
[21:11] <nacc> rbasak: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/gpgv.1.html no such option in xenial :)
[22:48] <rbasak> nacc: yeah, that's what I meant
[22:48] <rbasak> nacc: Bionic only
[22:49] <nacc> rbasak: well, we are on xenial
[22:49] <nacc> rbasak: and i was advised to *not* build gpg from source
[22:50] <rbasak> Oh
[22:50] <rbasak> What do you think we should do about this?
[22:50] <nacc> rbasak: (that is, we call to the system gpg for stuff)
[22:50] <rbasak> gpgv didn't gain --output until Bionic.
[22:50] <nacc> rbasak: i don't know
[22:50] <nacc> rbasak: we could *just* build gpgv in our snap
[22:50] <rbasak> However, bare gpg does have --output defined in the manpage. It just doesn't work until Bionic.
[22:50] <nacc> and then make sure to call the snapped binary via run
[22:51] <rbasak> In terms of making sure, it's fine if we just rely on PATH I think. If the wrong one is called, the code is designed to fail safe (fail verification), and that's tested.
[22:52] <rbasak> nacc: what was the basis of the advice not to build gpg from source?
[22:52] <nacc> rbasak: because e.g., gpg vs. gpg2
[22:52] <nacc> and we'd end upa ffecting the user's ~/.gnupg directory
[22:53] <rbasak> I see
[22:54] <nacc> rbasak: (iirc)
[22:55] <nacc> rbasak: 3294bc6d6c93c8c76f953266f9665ede78c5937d
[22:55] <nacc> rbasak: so we could build just gpgv into the snap (it will require some carefully snapping)
[22:56] <rbasak> OK
[22:56] <rbasak> Another way (not sure it's the least worst) might be to mark the tests that need a newer gppv, skip them from the self test, but do run then in some other manner in CI.
[22:57] <nacc> rbasak: so we don't call gpgv in the actual code? only in the tests?
[23:04] <rbasak> Oh. Good point.
[23:04] <rbasak> So that won't work. We do call gpgv in the actual code.
[23:04] <rbasak> --output is needed in the case of cleartext (InRelease) signatures, which is the common case for us.
[23:07] <nacc> rbasak: right
[23:08] <nacc> so i think we do need gpgv in the snap no matter what
[23:08] <nacc> so it's good the self-test caught it :)


[18:35] <mhall119> can I request the irc log bot for #ubuntu-touch-music please
[18:36] <mhall119> popey: ^^ requesting
[18:36] <popey> hah
[18:36] <popey> i just asked in -ops :D
[18:38] <IdleOne> logbot requests go to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:39]  * popey hugs IdleOne
[18:39]  * IdleOne takes popey's wallet.
[18:39] <IdleOne> likely to have more money than I do
[18:39] <popey> zero! :D
[18:39] <popey> I'm like the Queen, I don't carry cash :D
[18:39] <IdleOne> just my luck
[18:55] <TheLordOfTime> heh


[20:40] <dupondje> Wayland is not available when running nouveau?
[20:41] <mitya57> Should be available.
[20:42] <dupondje> strange. For some reason I can only see Xorg options on gdm3
[20:43]  * mitya57 is not the best one to ask about this though
[20:44] <dupondje> :)
[20:45] <mitya57> https://didrocks.fr/2017/10/18/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-16/ says that Wayland is disabled for “nvidia proprietary driver or unsupported hardware”
[20:47] <dupondje> guess i'm in the "unsupported hardware" category then ... strange
[20:53] <mbiebl> dupondje: what do you get if you run /usr/lib/gnome-session/gnome-session-check-accelerated
[20:53] <dupondje> $ /usr/lib/gnome-session/gnome-session-check-accelerated
[20:53] <dupondje> Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile
[20:54] <dupondje> or $ DRI_PRIME=1 /usr/lib/gnome-session/gnome-session-check-accelerated
[20:54] <dupondje> NVC1
[20:54] <dupondje> 2 VGA cards inside the laptop ...
[20:57] <mbiebl> hm, not much experient with optimus laptops
[20:57] <mbiebl> experience ...
[20:57] <dupondje> unfortunately I have one :)


[07:49] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:53] <SuperMatt> ullo
[13:47] <andylockran> hey guys and gals.
[13:47] <andylockran> Can anyone throw me a one-liner that will let me know which process is deleting my syslog ?
[13:51] <andylockran> Something on a system image is deleting syslog randomly (my /var/log/syslog) file and it's annoying beyond belief
[14:15] <brobostigon> andylockran: i thought logrotate does the job of rotaitng log files?
[14:15] <brobostigon> rotating*
[14:18] <andylockran> yeah, ditto
[14:19] <andylockran> logrotate is set to run weekly, this file is disappearing throughout the day
[14:19] <andylockran> could also be aide
[14:20] <andylockran> I'm having to use hardened images by our organisation.
[14:57] <brobostigon> ah i see.


[23:41] <androidbruce> #ubuntu-wa-us
[23:59] <valorie> yep, you're here
[23:59] <valorie> :-)
[23:59] <valorie> dunno why they do us-wa, instead of wa-us, but they do


[06:52] <blkperl> slangasek: :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/997096
[06:53] <blkperl> ubuntu precise has given me a new hate towards nscd, compiz, and xorg
[12:57] <slangasek> blkperl: haha nscd
[12:58] <slangasek> blkperl: disable netgroup caching; the code is broken
[20:52] <blkperl> slangasek: yeah we figured that out, but still :(
[21:03] <slangasek> blkperl: goto "haha nscd"
[23:16] <bdmurray> is there no registration for this? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1789/detail/
[23:18] <slangasek> bkerensa: ^^ so it seems that there's a manual "registration URL" recorded for this event that points to the stock loco page, and this prevents people from RSVPing... I seem to have access to wipe out that URL ;), which would let it use the loco rsvp system instead.  Should I?
[23:26] <bdmurray> wipe it out!
[23:36]  * slangasek flags bdmurray's comment for further attention based on keyword filters


[09:30] <dpm> good morning all
[19:09] <jo-erlend> mterry, hey. I've read your posts about Quickly. Is it ready for active use now? I haven't paid much attention lately.
[19:10] <mterry> jo-erlend, I believe so, yes
[19:13] <jo-erlend> cool. I'll have to start playing with it soon, then.


[06:31] <Kilos> morning all
[07:33] <Kilos> wbb
[13:24] <Kilos> sjoe!
[16:17] <Kilos> inetpro: ping
[16:18] <Kilos> where are all the clever kde peeps
[16:35] <Kilos> Maaz: hi
[16:35]  * Maaz waves to Kilos
[17:03] <Kilos> hungarian goulash must have some good in it, they just came second in miss world
[17:22] <Kilos> but pap en vleis seems to have an edge
[18:44]  * superfly looks around
[18:44] <superfly> Not here.
[19:43] <Kilos> hi superfly
[19:43] <Kilos> i was nearly asleep
[19:44] <Kilos> i go sleep now
[19:44] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[08:20] <Guest19874> Hello guys, is this channel just for official marketing team or it is also open for others to gise suggessions for making ubuntu popular in their region?


[08:45] <kjackal> Hello Juju World!
[10:24] <xnox> Hello, i'm on xenial and i have juju-2.0 beta14
[10:24] <xnox> i'm trying to bootstrap local / lxd provider
[10:24] <xnox> and that fails with a tools info mismatch error
[10:24] <xnox> 2.0-alpha1-xenial-amd64, 2.0-alpha2-xenial-amd64
[10:24] <xnox> what am I supposed to do?
[13:17] <lazyPower> xnox - does it work correctly if you issue the following:  juju bootstrap lxd-text lxd --upload-tools ?
[13:17] <lazyPower> you *shouldn't* need to do that, as we've updated the streams, but i'm unsure of what actually failed without log output
[15:27] <arosales> fyi, jujuchcharms.com firewall is being updated if folks notice any intermittent deploy failures from the store or jujucharms.com unavailable
[16:19] <petevg> @cory_fu: you're right. Grabbing the patch from the merged commit is cleaner: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-apache-bigtop-base/pull/37
[16:47] <kwmonroe> suchvenu: are you still having trouble with charm build?
[16:47] <suchvenu> yes
[16:48] <kwmonroe> suchvenu: what does your layer.yaml look like?
[16:49] <suchvenu> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/22927683/
[16:53] <kwmonroe> suchvenu: looks ok to me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22928082/
[16:53] <suchvenu> ya.. it used to work !
[16:54] <kwmonroe> suchvenu: will you pastebin the output from "charm build -l DEBUG --no-local-layers"?
[17:04] <suchvenu> kwmonroe : I edited some things under deployable charm folder under trusty and running the test... Will do this once that is over
[17:06] <xnox> lazyPower, juju bootstrap --config agent-stream=devel localhost localhost -> works
[17:07] <xnox> lazyPower, my guess is that tools in "released" stream are not up to date with latest beta of 2.0
[17:07] <lazyPower> xnox - interesting... i know beta-14 has published tools. It may have been due to the upgrade of the firewall, i'm not entirely certain though.
[17:07] <lazyPower> we had some intermittent service outages this morning, that may have been the culprit
[17:10] <xnox> lazyPower, ok, when i rebootstrap the environment next, hopefully things will work fine. thanks =)
[18:15] <lazyPower> kwmonroe mbruzek tvansteenburgh aisrael - https://github.com/juju-solutions/charmbox/pull/45   -- this effects you if you're actively using charmbox on a regular basis
[18:46] <cmars> do we have an influxdb charm that's any good?
[18:48] <cmars> hmm, https://jujucharms.com/u/chris.macnaughton/influxdb/4 looks the most recent, i'll try it out
[19:09] <kwmonroe> lazyPower: mbruzek: nice work (PR 45)!
[19:10] <lazyPower> thanks kwmonroe
[19:10] <lazyPower> fyi - https://github.com/juju-solutions/charmbox/pull/48  -- since it rewrote history it wa snever going to cleanly apply
[19:10] <lazyPower> i went ahead and pushed it up and confirmed that the branches are now a 2 line diff
[19:28] <cory_fu> lazyPower: Three lines if you count whitespace.  ;)  https://github.com/juju-solutions/charmbox/compare/devel
[19:28] <lazyPower> oooo
[19:28] <lazyPower> busteddd
[19:28] <cory_fu> But yeah, it looks awesome
[19:29] <cory_fu> Now we just have to keep it nice and clean
[19:29] <lazyPower> cory_fu - thanks for starting this
[19:29] <lazyPower> i was inspired by your work back in march
[19:29] <cory_fu> :)
[20:52] <bdx> marcoceppi: reminder to clear my stale aws controllers
[20:53] <marcoceppi> bdx: are they still there?
[20:53] <marcoceppi> I thought I did
[20:56] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22954686/
[20:56] <bdx> marcoceppi: ^
[20:59] <marcoceppi> bdx: cleaning up
[20:59] <bdx> thx
[22:12] <cholcombe> anyone else seeing a large amount of error's about failing to download and a sha mismatch on their debug logs?
[22:12] <cholcombe> i'm using juju 2 beta14 and i'm seeing tons of them
[22:12] <magicaltrout> there is a  firewall  upgrade today cholcombe
[22:12] <cholcombe> magicaltrout, ahh that'd do it haha
[22:12] <magicaltrout> aye
[22:13] <cholcombe> so i take it i'm sol for awhile?
[22:13] <magicaltrout> i think the  general  consensus is keep trying
[22:14] <cholcombe> ok
[23:03] <lazyPower> cholcombe - additionally that happens with charms when cross-models they dont match the revision on the controller
[23:03] <lazyPower> i ran into this last week
[23:03] <lazyPower> its fix committed, but not released yet
[23:03] <cholcombe> lazyPower, dang i really need that fix.  it's happening constantly :(
[23:04] <cholcombe> all i'm doing is saying deploy what i have locally and it freaks out
[23:04] <lazyPower> cholcombe - try juju upgrade-charm until it sticks
[23:04] <cholcombe> ok
[23:04] <lazyPower> thats the current work-around
[23:04] <cholcombe> well at least it's something
[23:16] <cholcombe> lazyPower, thanks!  I can test again :)
[23:17] <lazyPower> nice
[23:17]  * lazyPower hattips
[23:23]  * magicaltrout isn't convinced thats one word