[00:27] <JontheEchidna> stumbled on this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27390993/kdesudokvpm.png
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> oxygen sure has come a long way as a widget theme
[00:38] <CIA-41> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1192088 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (cache.cpp worker/worker.cpp) (log message trimmed)
[00:38] <CIA-41> Revert the pkgCacheFile port in QApt::Cache for a bit. It introduced a
[00:38] <CIA-41> regression where canceling a worker action and then doing another would result
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> !find lvm2app.h
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> !find lvm2app.h natty
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> :/
[02:24] <CIA-41> jmthomas * 1192104 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/ChangeLog Add a changelog for branch
[02:36] <CIA-41> jmthomas * 1192107 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/CMakeLists.txt Bump version for 1.0.4 release
[02:36] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: plungy
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: hi. do you recall discussing the removal of qtjambi last UDS?
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> iirc we decided it should go, because it FTBFS and is dead upstream
[02:41] <rgreening> yes. I believe this was the case
[02:41] <rgreening> dead == drop
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> good. I'll see about actually getting it done this cycle :P
[02:42] <rgreening> cool
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> before I forget again
[02:42] <rgreening> I've been afk most this cycle. $work and $life
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. not blaming you at all.
[02:42] <rgreening> but here's to getting back into swing for nattyt
[02:42] <rgreening> I know :)
[03:42] <lucasicf> can i get kde apps source from subversion?
[08:28] <hunger> Hmmm... Will the konq-plugins get a rebuild soon? They depend on libkonq5 which conflicts with libkonq5a which everything else seems to be using.
[08:30] <persia> Potentially, but few folk concentrate on NBS much prior to preparing for Alpha 1, as the vast majority of packages are likely to get an upload later, making the rebuild superfluous.
[08:44] <Riddell> morning, what did I miss?
[09:34] <hunger> looks like kdeutils all still depend on libkonq5:-(
[11:31]  * apachelogger slept through the morning since his cell was still using eastern time -.-
[11:52] <Mamarok> apachelogger: jet lag is worse traveling East
[11:58] <\sh> apachelogger: tststs....
[12:01] <apachelogger> Mamarok: well, I am not really lagging as of yet
[12:02] <apachelogger> it is just that my alarm clock went off later than it should ^^
[12:03] <\sh> the halloween party on sunday cost me 600 bucks now....:(
[12:04] <apachelogger> ah
[12:04] <Mamarok> \sh: oops, what did you break?
[12:05]  * apachelogger founds his prepared uds notes again ... left them at home along with maths stuff
[12:05] <\sh> Mamarok: I didn't break anything...my son did...daddy and mommy had a light hangover, and son was "repairing" daddies glasses...
[12:05] <apachelogger> oh, and I have a maths test in 1 hour oh dear
[12:05] <apachelogger> \sh: oh dear
[12:08] <\sh> apachelogger: yes..and visiting the optician this morning wasn't a good start....new glasses means 600 bucks but hey...my son was clever, he "repaired" my glasses, and put them back where I left them ... but the innocent look of son was priceless
[12:08] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:09] <apachelogger> \sh: I suppose that already unveales a job opportunity :)
[12:11] <\sh> apachelogger: hahahaha...you don't know what this little guy is up to...I was buying a PS3 2 weeks ago..with guitar hero + drumkit and everything..now this little fellow sits on the drums and always says "bangbang" when he hits the the drums ;) so...I wonder, musician or optician...one of the two
[12:13] <apachelogger> latter is surely less stressful, also you get to make money off people who were drunk on helloween and got their glasses repaired :P
[12:13] <apachelogger> OTOH making music is probably more fun
[12:25] <apachelogger> lol, reading my memolane is just horrible
[12:25] <jussi> apachelogger: what happened to our photos?
[12:25] <apachelogger> usually goes like "drinking $randomalcoholicdrink ... a bit later ... have headache ... a bit later ... slept half a day"
[12:25] <apachelogger> jussi: which ones?
[12:26] <jussi> MICKEY!!
[12:26] <apachelogger> oh
[12:26] <apachelogger> somewhere on kollide
[12:26] <apachelogger> jussi: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/21766940000.jpg
[12:26] <jussi> awesome!
[12:27] <jussi> haha
[12:27] <jussi> openstack got a good deal out of that...
[12:27] <apachelogger> quite frankly the one with pluto is better
[12:28] <jussi> where is that?
[12:28] <jussi> or is it the one I took?
[12:29] <apachelogger> the one you took
[12:30] <apachelogger> I believe
[12:30] <apachelogger> there is one version floating around on my facebook profile
[12:30] <apachelogger> of the ones I saw it was the best
[12:30] <Riddell> apachelogger, jussi: everyone get home alive?
[12:30] <jussi> Riddell: well.. Im alive... obviously :D
[12:30] <jussi> *G*
[12:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: AFAIK, are you home as well?
[12:32] <Riddell> back on my very own sofa
[12:33] <jussi> what? Riddell has a sofa? :D
[12:34] <jussi> apachelogger: I think Rohan's head lookskinda skewed  in that photo... dont you think?
[12:37] <apachelogger> jussi: which one?
[12:37] <jussi> the one on kollide...
[12:39] <apachelogger> jussi: yes, it is a crapy pick altogether
[12:39] <apachelogger> colors and whatnot
[12:39] <apachelogger> also it is (c) disney
[12:39] <jussi> lol
[12:43] <apachelogger> gtg
[14:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: Progress on getting KDE built on armel is pending you turning a bit of your giant brain to the question of how best to deal with "CXXFLAGS += -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb" (e.g. in pkg-kde-tools or package by package).
[14:01]  * ScottK is fixing Qt packages in the mean time.
[14:03] <jussi> ScottK: nice work... resorting to "head swelling" to get things done :D
[14:10] <Riddell> ScottK: actually doko said I should forward that change to him since he thought it's a bug that it didn't compile without compiler flag changes
[14:13]  * maco attempts to recruit #ubuntu person to Qt
[14:17] <maco> (was looking for C++ IDE and a toolkit to use instead of Visual C++)
[14:20] <persia> maco, That's not recruiting: that's just showing folk the best supported C++ environment in Ubuntu.
[14:25] <shadeslayer_> persia: apachelogger make is zomg
[14:26] <shadeslayer_> ive read about 30 pages or such.. but it is really awesome
[14:26] <persia> shadeslayer_, *best* scripting environment ever.  There's a reason most folk recommend using this for debian/rules.
[14:27] <shadeslayer_> *nod*
[14:27] <maco> huh what?
[14:27]  * gaurav was wondering if a new amarok package was on its way.
[14:28] <shadeslayer_> who's the new recruit ^
[14:29] <sheytan> apachelogger hey
[14:29] <sheytan> apachelogger can you link that logo again?
[14:29] <persia> maco, context is that apachelogger and I insisted shadeslayer_ needed to read the entire make manual before complaining about debian/rules hacks
[14:29] <Riddell> gaurav: should it be?
[14:31] <maco> persia: oh. i should do that some day maybe...
[14:31] <maco> should also read that book i have on gdb
[14:31] <maco> then maybe i could do something about all those bugs that have stacktraces attached
[14:32] <Riddell> you can do things with stacktraces without having to know gdb
[14:32] <persia> One doesn't need to read a book on gdb to read a stacktrace.  I tend to be the person who gives the most stacktrace-reading training for Ubuntu, and I don't use gdb in the process at all (except perhaps as a lower-level for automation)
[14:32] <Riddell> you just have to be able to read the stacktrace enough to find out where the crash is and the code path to it
[14:33] <Riddell> or course gdb can be useful for creating the stacktrace or debugging once you know there's a problem but aren't quite sure what caused it
[14:34] <gaurav> Riddell: I was talking to jefferai the other day, about songs not getting indexed properly in the amarok's library. He told me that he was in contact with the package maintainers about that bug.
[14:36] <Riddell> gaurav: ok don't think I've heard of that issue but we've been at the Ubuntu Summit last week so things may have gone unnoticed
[14:38] <gaurav> no problem :) i'll just build amarok from trunk till we get the fix.
[14:39] <maco> i always get confused at the bit where the stacktrace goes all the way to telling me glib had a freakout, and then i dont know if its the app or the library thats buggy
[14:43] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I know he's offline this week, so I guess we'll have to wait.
[14:44] <Riddell> anyone know what this means from the kubuntu coding notes? "investiage setting grab server to through in kdmrc"
[14:44] <Riddell> sheytan: which logo?
[14:44] <sheytan> Riddell apachelogger wants me to do a header for his blog with uds logo
[14:45] <Riddell> the one on http://summit.ubuntu.com/ ?
[14:49] <sheytan> Riddell yes, thank you
[14:59] <sheytan> Riddell apachelogger http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2208/udsheader.png :D
[15:01] <shadeslayer> jussi: dude... be patient, i havent uploaded all of them yet ^_^
[15:01] <jussi> LOL
[15:02] <shadeslayer> ~3 more to go
[15:03] <shadeslayer> jussi: all done.. now go tag yourself :P
[15:10] <jussi> bwahahah
[15:18] <apachelogger> sheytan: beautiful
[15:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2
[15:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think doko needs to be poked, according to that thumb should be default in gcc...
[15:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: doko requested to be poked
[15:21] <Riddell> feel free to do so
[15:21] <apachelogger> dont see him in ubuntu-devel :(
[15:22] <Riddell> 14:43 < ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I know he's offline this week, so I guess we'll have to wait.
[15:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's about doko
[15:22] <apachelogger> oh
[15:22] <apachelogger> maybe we need to do some change research
[15:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell ive uploaded pics to fb
[15:23]  * apachelogger is wondering when Riddell will upload something :P
[15:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: after I've tidied up all these session notes :)
[15:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: next time you might consider distributing that work load ;)
[15:26] <apachelogger> oh my
[15:26] <apachelogger> <3 good changelogs
[15:26] <apachelogger> thumb introduction to gcc-4.4 is documented, removal apparently not
[15:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nice pix
[15:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer++
[15:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: though flickr would be more useful to the wider public I think :)
[15:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ill upload to flickr as well
[15:27] <apachelogger> duplication ftw!
[15:27] <apachelogger> stupid online service providers
[15:27] <shadeslayer> aye
[15:28] <shadeslayer> it would have been awesome if fb could import from flickr
[15:28] <maco> shadeslayer: it cant?
[15:28] <maco> youd think thered be an app for that
[15:28] <shadeslayer> dont think so
[15:28] <apachelogger> there even is one for the picasa
[15:29] <sheytan> apachelogger thanks :D
[15:32] <shadeslayer> uploading to flickr
[15:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you can get flickr to notify facebook of new uploads, I have that set
[15:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: as apachelogger put it... data duplication ftw
[15:39] <Riddell> how is that data duplication?
[15:41] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/apachelog.wordpress.com.html what do you think?
[15:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: it isnt, what shadeslayer is doing is data duplication ;)
[15:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^ I revised the more clients part a bit, probably still a bit vague on the thunderbird side of things
[15:42]  * apachelogger is not entirely sure what to write about it though
[15:43] <sheytan> apachelogger cool :D
[15:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what do you think about http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/apachelog.wordpress.com.html
[15:44] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sorry honey - still at work :/
[15:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you need to get rid of busyness
[15:45] <Nightrose> :D
[15:45] <apachelogger> you barely have time to snuggle with me
[15:45] <Nightrose> it pays the bills you know
[15:45] <Nightrose> awwwww
[15:45] <Nightrose> *huggle*
[15:45] <apachelogger> you could just litter the bills :P
[15:46] <Nightrose> hehe
[15:46] <Nightrose> i wish
[15:49] <apachelogger> oh dear, we just signed up goethe for a course on software paradigms :O
[15:50] <Nightrose> -.-
[15:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[15:54] <shadeslayer> pong
[15:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what do you think of the content http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/apachelog.wordpress.com.html
[15:57] <apachelogger> persia: can we call the Ubuntu Addressbook "Butterfly"? :D
[15:57] <persia> Isn't that reserved for use with MSN?
[15:58] <apachelogger> oh, possibly
[15:59] <persia> Maybe "Moth"? or is that too bright?
[15:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Since KDE is involved the Kubuntu team is of  << maybe add a comma there?
[16:00] <apachelogger> persia: not fluffy enough ;)
[16:00] <shadeslayer> persia: not as fluffy
[16:00] <persia> On Sunday, valorie and I were talking about it a bit more, and wondered if it didn't make sense to try to find a way to hook up diaspora and LP instead of creating a special tool, because of the many places that have laws related to storage of things like names, addresses, and phone numbers.
[16:01]  * persia , having inspected both moths and butterflys under microscopes, knows that moths have wing hair and butterflies have wing powder, making moths "more fluffy", but understands the widespread misunderstandings on this topic related to colours
[16:02] <apachelogger> oh dear, kobby needs a search for documents
[16:02] <al> is kolab still using good old cyrus?
[16:02] <apachelogger> al: yeah
[16:03] <al> dealbreaker :>
[16:03] <apachelogger> persia: question is if diaspora meets the requirements
[16:04] <persia> Yeah, dunno.
[16:04] <persia> maco, ?
[16:04] <Riddell> al: Dovecot is being looked into
[16:04] <al> Riddell, sounds good
[16:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45059736@N02/sets/72157625297087490/
[16:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you tag them uds-n?
[16:06] <shadeslayer> im doing that
[16:10] <shadeslayer> ok..i cant figure it out -.-
[16:10] <shadeslayer> wait...
[16:10] <shadeslayer> zomg.. i have to tag each and every one of these?
[16:12] <apachelogger>   * gcc-arm-implicit-it.diff: Only pass -mimplicit-it=thumb when in
[16:12] <apachelogger>     thumb mode (Andrew Stubbs).
[16:12] <apachelogger> interesting
[16:13] <shadeslayer> done
[16:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: to me it looks as if something were broken... also it seems we could use -mthumb
[16:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: anything else? ... I was more interested in understandibility and overall consistency etc. :)
[16:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: imo it looks good
[16:16] <persia> Use of mthumb significantly reduces code size, which can improve performance in some cases (because more code can fit in cache)
[16:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: "KDEPIM Enterprise is a special branch of KDEPIM tweaked for Kolab." are you referring to KDE 3 or KDE 4 PIM there?
[16:21] <apachelogger> general
[16:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: is enterprise not seperate in KDE 4?
[16:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: not for KMail 2 (if I remember correctly)
[16:22] <Riddell> enterprise 3 == KDE 3 PIM , enterprise 4 == branch of KDE 4 PIM with KMail 1, enterprise 5 == branch now merged into trunk of KDE 4 PIM with KMail 2
[16:22] <Riddell> I think
[16:22] <Riddell> and enterprise 4 branch isn't very interesting, not many kolab users for kde 4
[16:22] <Riddell> since they're waiting for kmail 2
[16:23] <Riddell> I think
[16:29] <steveire> Riddell: Yep, e5 is current trunk
[16:29] <steveire> It will probably eventually be KDE 4.7 i tihn
[16:29] <steveire> think*
[16:29] <Riddell> steveire: you don't think there will be another KDE PIM release before 4.7?
[16:30] <steveire> Oh, there will be, yes, but we wont' call it e5
[16:30] <steveire> and maintain it for 10 years
[16:30] <Riddell> ah I see
[16:30] <steveire> I'm just guessing though too
[16:35] <steveire> Riddell: Where will KDE be for the next kubnutu lts?
[16:45] <shadeslayer> steveire: possibly 4.7 or 4.7.1
[16:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you get your signed keys?
[16:46] <steveire> So that's April 2012?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> steveire: Next LTS is due in April, 2012
[16:47] <shadeslayer> if 4.7 can come out before the feature freeze i suppose it can go in
[16:48] <steveire> Interesting, thanks
[16:49] <Riddell> it'll be KDE SC 4.8 by then
[16:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can i export the default kde cache and kde config folders before starting startkde?
[16:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm afraid I don't know
[16:52] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:52] <Riddell> probably there's some way to do it
[16:53] <shadeslayer> "P
[16:53] <shadeslayer> :O
[16:53] <shadeslayer> zomg
[16:53]  * shadeslayer cant believe this
[16:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: get home ok?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yus :)
[16:54] <shadeslayer> what about you?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/1qj4j4Hw << look at that.. its sandboxed by default
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yofel_ we are epic
[16:54] <Riddell> what am I ment to look at?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: line 84
[16:55] <shadeslayer> and afaik we havent patched anything
[16:55] <shadeslayer> so everything is set by buildd i suppose
[16:55] <Riddell> voila
[16:56] <Riddell> that'll be a patch
[16:56] <shadeslayer> dont think so
[16:56] <Riddell> then it's set with cmake arguments
[16:56] <shadeslayer> probably
[16:57] <shadeslayer> thats why its epic
[17:04] <Riddell> maco: do you have the bug number for the gvfs issue in Qt?
[17:04] <yofel> yeah, I think startkde get's modified by cmake at some point, which makes that stuff much easier
[17:05] <Riddell> still leaves the /tmp files
[17:06] <shadeslayer> aye ^
[17:06] <yofel> we'll still have to add a file to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ I think
[17:06] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: back home?
[17:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: whats in there?
[17:07] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: you and I am already working again :-(
[17:07] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: im just working today, i have my exams from next week :P
[17:08] <mgraesslin> hmm on second thought: working is better than exams ;-)
[17:08] <shadeslayer> yeah ....
[17:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: maybe I'm totally mistaken, as I'm not sure how the .so stuff is done, but we might have to tell it to look in /opt at runtime too (or I'm just confusing that with something else)
[17:09] <shadeslayer> i think that is what apachelogger was trying to tell me
[17:09] <shadeslayer> because the folderview plasmoid doesnt work
[17:10] <yofel> at build time we set LD_LIBRARY_PATH currently, but startkde doesn't set it by itself on runtime
[17:12] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:15] <shadeslayer> someone ought to clean the ppa of source packages
[17:15] <Riddell> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ServerNattyKolab is from before UDS I think, are there any notes from after?  are there any action items?
[17:16] <hunger> There seems to be some conflict of libkonq5 with libkonq5a in natty. Is somebody working on resolving that?
[17:16]  * hunger got stuck halfway in an maverick->natty update.
[17:16] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:16] <shadeslayer> hunger: natty is not supported
[17:17] <Riddell> hunger: fixing that is next on my todo list after the paperwork from UDS
[17:17] <shadeslayer> its like ... pre alpha
[17:17] <Riddell> but I may not get to it today, lots of paperwork
[17:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: he knows the risks :)
[17:17] <hunger> shadeslayer: I am aware of that. But you guys want to get it to alpha state, so I guess you will be working on any issues that come up anyway:-)
[17:17] <shadeslayer> ah well
[17:18] <hunger> Riddell: That would be great.
[17:18] <hunger> shadeslayer: I am not complaining that I am stuck, I am just curious for how long I'll end up being stuck:-)
[17:18] <shadeslayer> hunger: use project neon if you want bleeding edge :P
[17:19] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:19] <hunger> shadeslayer: Or whether I'll just switch to my own KDE builds for a while:-)
[17:43] <Riddell> long todo list! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[17:44] <Tm_T> I should take something for me in this cycle
[17:45] <Riddell> Tm_T: you're into locos?  working out the "integrate kubuntu into locos" bit with darkwingduck would be a good start
[17:47] <Tm_T> ooh, that could be it yres
[17:47] <Tm_T> yes
[17:47] <jussi> can I volunteer, and if I try and fail then take my name off? (Im thinking of plasma media center packaging)
[17:50] <Riddell> jussi: of course
[17:50] <Riddell> jussi: for that item the first step is to check with upstream what the status is and if it makes any sense at all to package
[17:52] <jussi> Riddell: yeah, I downloaded it yesterday and got it to build, but its not working right _yet_ Ill contact upstram soonish
[17:53] <shadeslayer> oooh
[17:53] <shadeslayer> jussi: getting into packaging?
[17:53] <jussi> shadeslayer: *back* into packaging? :P
[17:53] <shadeslayer> oic
[17:54] <jussi> shadeslayer: !!!!!!
[17:54] <shadeslayer> wha...
[17:54] <jussi> !u
[17:54] <jussi> :D
[17:54] <shadeslayer> oh...
[17:57] <jussi> ahh now then... I think I actually found it in playground...
[17:58] <shadeslayer> i can only take up stuff after 12th November
[17:59] <jussi> mrgh
[18:03] <jussi> did you know sometimes Im an idiot? :D
[18:11] <jussi> hrm, just built it on maverick... vaguely works - cant seem to get it to open much though...
[18:17] <jussi> what are the soprano bits here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/524579/
[18:20] <Riddell> jussi: do you have nepomuk running?
[18:21] <jussi> no idea...
[18:23] <jussi> jussi     1711  0.0  0.4  87224 16908 ?        Sl   17:55   0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder --identifier akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder
[18:23] <jussi> jussi     1744  0.0  0.1  43316  7060 ?        Sl   17:55   0:00 /usr/bin/nepomukserver
[18:33] <jussi> Riddell: see above
[19:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: so e5 will not be a seperate branch? in that case I should drop mentioning its branched nature
[19:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: cant see any
[20:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/apachelog.wordpress.com.html better?
[20:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: are you home yet?
[20:15] <apachelogger> ^^
[20:15] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i am now yes
[20:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: time to read that page?
[20:15] <Nightrose> i'll try ;-)
[20:15]  * apachelogger still feels something is odd about it
[20:18] <Nightrose> The enterprise 5 release will however be based of regular KDEPIM.
[20:19] <Nightrose> should probably be off
[20:19] <Nightrose> b/a)
[20:19] <Nightrose> ? ;-)
[20:21] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ^
[20:21] <Nightrose> besides that i think it's good
[20:21] <Nightrose> the intro is a bit apprupt
[20:22] <apachelogger> eeeeeek
[20:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ideas for better intro
[20:22] <Nightrose> not really sorr
[20:22] <Nightrose> y
[20:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: kolabsync is the broken with thunderbird 1.5
[20:22] <apachelogger> in particular it does not want to install
[20:22] <apachelogger> because it is not compatible
[20:22] <apachelogger> this is god horrible
[20:23] <apachelogger> eh
[20:23] <apachelogger> s/1.5/3.1

[20:25] <apachelogger> brrrr
[20:37]  * apachelogger hates rekonq
[20:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I add an question to the intro, how is that?
[20:37] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sounds good
[20:38] <apachelogger> splendid
[20:38] <apachelogger> only waiting for ScottK and Riddell then
[20:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thanks
[20:38] <Nightrose> yw
[20:45] <apachelogger> darkwingduck here :(
[20:45] <apachelogger> +no
[21:33]  * apachelogger snuggles Nightrose
[21:33]  * Nightrose huggles apachelogger
[21:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw if you do not license the flickr stuff CC the nice people of ubuntu marketing will not be able to utilize it ^^
[21:39] <apachelogger> also remember jono's introductionary talk ;)
[21:40] <EagleScreen> I see the new natty todo
[21:41] <EagleScreen> what happened to the postponed fix samba file sharing?
[21:45] <apachelogger> eaten alive


[05:46] <david_0001> hey
[05:46] <david_0001> anybody work with qt ?
[07:34] <noodles775> david_0001: I don't, but I know zematynnad has been doing a bit of qt dev lately. He'll be around in 7-8hrs.
[08:02] <dpm> good morning all
[09:43] <jml> noodles775: can I interest you in reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~jml/pkgme-service/end-to-end-pkgme/+merge/83624
[09:45] <noodles775> jml: Indeed you can :) I'll just finish my changes for another review and start in 15mins.
[09:45]  * noodles775 claims it.
[09:46] <jml> noodles775: thanks. Will probably also ask james_w to have a look over it when he turns up later today.
[10:46] <noodles775> jml: `fab test` gives me ImportError: No module named twisted.internet - that should be in the setup.py right?
[10:46] <jml> noodles775: yes.
[10:47] <jml> noodles775: well, I guess.
[10:47] <jml> it's a test dependency only
[10:47] <noodles775> Why guess?
[10:47] <noodles775> Ah, ok.
[10:47] <noodles775> Right - then test_requirements.txt
[10:47] <jml> Well, if that actually works.
[10:47] <noodles775> s/test_requirements.txt/test-dependencies.txt/ but why wouldn't it work?
[10:48] <noodles775> Ah, right, a pip install of twisted... yeah, let's see.
[10:49] <jml> noodles775: Given the many hours I spent last week wrestling with this whole easy_install/pip/virtualenv set up, and given that we have hard requirements in test-dependencies, I'm sceptical of anything working just like that.
[10:49] <jml> noodles775: maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
[10:51] <noodles775> jml: I'm happy to just install it locally and we can update the README to say what packages need to be installed system-wide - if it doesn't work for you.
[10:51] <jml> noodles775: cool. (incidentally, I didn't have to install locally. Wonder why.) We'll see. bootstrapping now.
[10:58] <noodles775> jml: would `PKGME_LIB_DEPS_DB_PATH = 'all-symbols.db'` work (similar for PKGME_OUTPUT_DIRECTORY)? ie. can we assume they're relative to the settings.py file? (and add bzr ignores)
[10:59] <jml> noodles775: well, they aren't going to be like that on production, probably
[10:59] <jml> noodles775: but I guess those are better wrong values than the ones I have in there.
[11:00] <noodles775> jml: sure, but on production we'll have a separate config. Yep.
[11:07] <jml> noodles775: would those paths be relative to settings.py or relative to the root directory?
[11:08] <noodles775> jml: hrm, not sure.. try it and see (probably the CWD - but you'll find out)
[11:10]  * noodles775 reads up on lifeless's fixtures package.
[11:16] <jml> it's pretty straightforward.
[11:16] <noodles775> Yep - nice.
[11:18] <noodles775> How did you go with adding twisted?
[11:19] <noodles775> I've probably not understood fixtures properly, but why are you using a fixture inside non-test code? (tasks.py)
[11:20] <jml> noodles775: I didn't add Twisted. It just worked.
[11:20] <jml> noodles775: Because fixtures aren't actually about testing. They are just most often useful there.
[11:20] <jml> noodles775: I guess they are like souped-up context managers.
[11:21] <noodles775> jml: RE fixtures - ok. Re twisted: Sure - but didn't it ust work because you *already* had it installed?
[11:21] <jml> noodles775: well, on the system, obviously.
[11:21] <jml> noodles775: tbh, I wasn't paying that much attention and there's been a lot of water under the bridge since then. Maybe I did install it in the virtualenv w/ pip.
[11:22]  * noodles775 tries adding it to the test dependencies.
[11:22] <jml> it works then
[11:23] <noodles775> Yep, `virtualenv/bin/pip install twisted` worked fine here.. great.
[11:40] <noodles775> jml: with twisted in the virtualenv, I get six errors, all coming down to this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/755918/
[11:40] <noodles775> s/coming down to/like/
[11:41] <jml> noodles775: you're using Python 2.6
[11:42] <jml> noodles775: can we not use 2.7 in production?
[11:52] <noodles775> jml: I guess we can - all our current deployment machines are lucid with py2.6, so that's what I use for my dev vm.
[11:54] <jml> well, if it's going to cause a deployment hassle, let's not do that
[11:54] <jml> easy enough to do try/finally
[11:54] <jml> (and also to update 'fab bootstrap' to use python2.6)
[11:55] <noodles775> Wow - I'd not realised python2.7 wasn't available in the lucid archive?
[11:55] <noodles775> (python3 is)
[11:56] <jml> noodles775: yeah
[11:56] <jml> I want to go taunt barry now
[11:56] <noodles775> heh
[11:56] <jml> "It's nearly 2012 and I'm writing new code in Python 2.6"
[11:56] <JackyAlcine> XD
[11:59] <jml> taunting done
[11:59] <jml> I've also asked Canonical IS whether I can use Python 2.7 without causing extra deployment hassle
[11:59] <noodles775> Cool.
[12:06]  * jml fab bootstraps again
[12:16] <jml> noodles775: now works with 2.6.
[12:17] <noodles775> Thanks jml, re-pulling.
[12:40] <jml> noodles775: how's it going?
[12:42] <noodles775> jml: sorry - looking at other bugs, but just re-bootstrapped and running tests.. (2F's)
[12:42] <noodles775> ... and the test run seems to have paused?
[12:42] <jml> one of the tests is long, but it has a two minute timeout
[12:42] <noodles775> ah
[12:43] <jml> it's wonderful how this virtualenv eliminates differences between environments, no?
[12:43] <noodles775> jml: heh, does it not? the failures I'm seeing are missing packages from the virtualenv...
[12:44] <jml> noodles775: but if I just bootstrapped and got no errors, and you bootstrapped and got failures due to missing packages, how is it actually helping?
[12:44] <noodles775> jml: not sure why I don't have a proper result for the error, but http://paste.ubuntu.com/755959/
[12:44] <noodles775> jml: the bootstrap worked fine... actually, let me check the scroll.
[12:45] <noodles775> jml: it would help if we'd ensured that all the dependencies were in the virtualenv, wouldn't it? I'm not sure what you mean, otherwise?
[12:45] <jml> huh what?
[12:46] <jml> so, if the purpose is to provide a reproducible, controlled environment and we are getting different environments running on different machines, then it's not doing its job very well
[12:46] <noodles775> I mean, virtualenv can only (try to) make the virtualenv's the same on both computers - which I *assume* (perhaps stupidly) that it's doing... but earlier you had system packages installed that I didn't etc.
[12:46] <jml> it's got --no-site-packages
[12:47] <jml> anyway, the 0755 thing is an easy fix
[12:47] <noodles775> Cool
[12:48] <noodles775> Oh, I'd not realised you were using --no-site-packages, not sure what that means for the earlier missing twisted package.
[12:48] <jml> probably that I installed it and then forgot that I installed it.
[12:49] <jml> more interestingly, I don't know what it means for the failing 'want' script
[12:49] <jml> you should have devportalbinary.binary in your PYTHONPATH
[12:49] <jml> oh, I think I know
[12:49] <jml> you need to run 'fab test' from within the virtualenv
[12:49]  * noodles775 does so
[12:53] <noodles775> jml: cool, that gave me different results... pasting now, but can you update the README about `fab test`?
[12:53] <jml> noodles775: already in the process of doing so
[12:54] <noodles775> jml: sweet - here's the paste... /me installs debuild. http://paste.ubuntu.com/755970/
[12:55] <jml> noodles775: yeah, that's just debuild. I guess there's no way of specifying a non-Python dependency other than documentation.
[12:55] <noodles775> Nope (devscripts)
[12:57] <jml> I wish apps.u.c had URLs that excluded series.
[12:59] <noodles775> it doesn't?
[12:59]  * noodles775 checks
[13:00] <jml> oh, you can URL hack to get tem
[13:00] <jml> them, rather
[13:00] <jml> but not by browsing
[13:00] <noodles775> Ah - right..., no I think you're right.
[13:00] <noodles775> It redirects you if you remove it.
[13:00] <noodles775> So you can refer to a package without the series with a url.
[13:00] <jml> to natty :)
[13:01] <noodles775> It depends on whether your browser's user-agent tells anything useful, but yes, not sure why the default is configured to be natty.
[13:01] <noodles775> (using chromium it's correctly redirecting me to oneiric)
[13:02] <jml> probably because it was natty when it was written, and because asking LP for the current stable release was too much work at the time
[13:03] <jml> (not sure if there's another reliable way to determine the current release)
[13:03] <noodles775> Yep. Anyway, it's not just devscripts, I'm now getting an error because dh isn't found... installing.
[13:03] <noodles775> Is there a meta-package I should use instead?
[13:04]  * noodles775 retries with debhelper installed.
[13:04] <jml> Don't know, sorry. There's no documentation for this in pkgme, which is where there should be such docs.
[13:04] <noodles775> Whoohoo, just the 0755 error... sweet.
[13:05] <noodles775> http://paste.ubuntu.com/755976/
[13:05] <noodles775> So it's just devscripts and debhelper (as far as we know, I didn't start with a clean VM)
[13:05] <noodles775> jml: you're around still this afternoon right?
[13:06]  * noodles775 considers heading off for lunch
[13:06] <jml> noodles775: yes.
[13:11] <jml> noodles775: a quick scan doesn't show any mutual reverse dependencies of those two packages
[13:15]  * jml goes to lunch
[13:15] <jml> which may run a little long, as I have to buy a gift for the Millbank secret santa thing.
[13:24] <jml> actually really going now
[13:53] <james_w> morning
[13:56] <noodles775> Morning james_w
[13:57] <noodles775> How was your break?
[13:57] <james_w> good thanks
[13:57] <james_w> how are you?
[13:59] <noodles775> Pretty well - not getting a lot of coding done today, but other useful stuff :)
[14:24] <dpm> hey james_w, good morning, glad to hear you had a nice break
[14:24] <james_w> hi dpm
[14:45] <jml> james_w: https://code.launchpad.net/~jml/pkgme-service/end-to-end-pkgme/+merge/83624 would benefit from your review
[14:45] <james_w> sure thing
[14:54] <noodles775> jml: is the import on 426 inline for a reason?
[15:01] <noodles775> jml: also, when you'd asked about how to test against a running server, I forgot to mention using wsgiintercept... we use something like:
[15:01] <noodles775> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rnr-developers/rnr-server/trunk/view/head:/src/reviewsapp/tests/helpers.py#L35
[15:01]  * noodles775 looks for an example of where it's used.
[15:02] <jml> noodles775: yes
[15:02] <jml> noodles775: it is used on line 428
[15:02] <noodles775> But I guess that would be less of an integration test then... so it may not be useful for you anyway.
[15:03] <jml> noodles775: it's in the function itself because I feel embarrassed about importing something called 'acceptance' at the top of a module.
[15:03] <noodles775> heh, sure...
[15:05] <jml> not sure how the WSGI intercept would help here
[15:05] <jml> although, that'd be more re-usable as a fixture :)
[15:06] <noodles775> Indeed - I'm keen to see how we can clean up a lot of our test helpers with fixtures.
[15:08] <jml> for me, the great thing is the way they make it easy to provide debugging info
[15:11] <noodles775> jml: does the DjangoSettings fixture also mean that I can't be running a dev server while tests run?
[15:11] <jml> noodles775: it means you can't launch one, IIUC.
[15:11] <jml> noodles775: if one is already running, won't make a difference
[15:11] <noodles775> Great.
[15:11] <jml> unless django does auto-reload on settings changes
[15:12] <jml> in which case, then it will make a difference :)
[15:12] <jml> I could try rewriting that fixture to use DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE
[15:18] <noodles775> Would being able to overwrite settings on the command line help?
[15:19] <noodles775> s/help/avoid the need for the DjangoSettings fixture?
[15:19] <jml> noodles775: yes, that would help
[15:19] <jml> noodles775: as long as celery got the message too
[15:22] <noodles775> jml: you could start it with the same overrides couldn't you? Anyway, if it helps,
[15:22] <noodles775> http://packages.python.org/django-configglue/walkthrough.html#command-line-integration
[15:25] <dpm> jml, james_w, I'm not sure if you've seen this question on the ML, I think you guys are the best people to answer it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-app-devel/2011-November/000041.html
[15:27] <jml> noodles775: aiui, that command line would change the global settings in much the same way as manually editing the file, wouldn't it?
[15:27] <james_w> dpm, I'll reply, thanks for the notice
[15:27] <dpm> cool, thanks james_w!
[15:27] <jml> noodles775: i.e. it doesn't offer a way to change settings & run in the same command
[15:28] <noodles775> jml: I think it does - the example is just confusing because it's calling the settings command... but you can call the runserver command in the same way?
[15:28] <jml> I'll give it a try
[15:32] <noodles775> Although the project's not yet using configglue, so it might be a bit of setup.
[15:32] <jml> james_w: btw, we have a call scheduled now, I assume it's not on (but would be keen for some sort of voice chat today)
[15:33] <james_w> jml, I'm happy to talk now
[15:33] <jml> james_w: cool. now is good for me.
[15:33] <jml> james_w: I had a call scheduled in this slot anyway :)
[15:35] <noodles775> jml: ah, and I missed your earlier comment - no, it's just overriding the setting for the process, it's not touching the file afaik.
[15:37] <noodles775> jml, james_w: given that james_w's got twisted foo and is looking through the MP too, I might leave it there (eyes are starting to glaze over).
[15:37] <jml> noodles775: np. thanks for your feedback so far
[15:37] <jml> noodles775: I think apart from DjangoSettings I've incorporated all of it already.
[15:38] <noodles775> Yes, all tests are passing now on my lucid instance :-) Great.
[15:43] <noodles775> jml: heh, just saw your commet msg "Change the default settings to ones that are equally wrong..." - I assume you won't be using django_project/settings.py at all for a deploy, so i think they're now valid for a dev setup?
[15:44] <jml> noodles775: if there's an all-symbols.db handy in the cwd.
[15:45] <noodles775> If it helps, here's a typical config branch (for apps.ubuntu.com): https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-ca-hackers/isd-configs/uwc-config/files
[15:45] <noodles775> jml: ah - I assumed that was somehow obtained as part of the bootstrap.
[15:45] <jml> noodles775: no, maintained by a different service
[16:35] <jml> james_w: oh, I also want to bend your ear about notmuch sometime
[16:36] <james_w> sure thing
[20:04] <JoaoSantana> dpm, hi David.
[20:04] <dpm> hi JoaoSantana
[20:05] <JoaoSantana> dmp, I'm the one who is preparing a ubuntu-defaults for Brazil, remember?


[10:09] <angel_> my floppy not work.. :( help me please!
[10:10] <K-Ryan> !flash
[10:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:11] <angel_> my floppy not work
[10:11] <juano> why cant i see the .cda files when i enter Storage media and then cdrom0??
[10:11] <freshburn> if anyone has an HP pavilion 4900 with BCM9430 wireless and made it work please talk to me
[10:11] <juano> in an audio cd i mean
[10:11] <N6REJ> anyone know how to boot into safe mode?
[10:12] <freshburn> hold F8 lol i kidding
[10:12] <N6REJ> lol
[10:12] <juano> N6REJ: yes, end current session and from session login window select session and then gnome safemode
[10:12] <Dasnipa`> shift backspace?
[10:12] <juano> N6REJ: then login
[10:13] <N6REJ> juano: nope, not an option, this is at boot time... somehow the power plug got pulled and its crashed.
[10:13] <bobleny> Hey, I installed Apache, but have no idea where the folder is on my computer, do you know where it would have installed?
[10:13] <juano> N6REJ: oh, is there an option at grub??
[10:13] <juano> maybe
[10:13] <hassan2a> hyper_ch:  ?
[10:13] <N6REJ> so I need to kill some obtuse PID thats preventing it from starting... we figured out how to start in recovery mode.
[10:13] <N6REJ> but not sure what to do from there.
[10:14] <freshburn> recovery mode brings you to a root shell right?
[10:14] <N6REJ> juano: yeah, I just kept missing it. I hope recovery figures things out itself.
[10:14] <N6REJ> freshburn: yes
[10:15] <freshburn> would the kill command work? on another point whats the difference between KILL and TERM
[10:15] <N6REJ> I've got a # prompt
[10:15] <freshburn> but dont take my advice im newb
[10:15] <freshburn> but i remember things i read
[10:15] <aib> what package do I need on ubuntu for a traceroute like program
[10:16] <N6REJ> aib it should be installed already
[10:16] <aib> it's not
[10:16] <aib> at least it's not called traceroute
[10:16] <N6REJ> tracert?
[10:16] <lupine_85> !traceroute
[10:16] <K-Ryan> !shockwave
[10:16] <ubotu> traceroute: traces the route taken by packets over a TCP/IP network. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4a12-20 (edgy), package size 21 kB, installed size 104 kB
[10:16] <ubotu> Shockwave is currently only available for Windows. To run it under !Wine, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[10:16] <lupine_85> :p
[10:16] <bobleny> !Bots are intellgent
[10:16] <N6REJ> lol
[10:16] <K-Ryan> !wine
[10:16] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:16] <juano> anyone knows why cant i see the .cda files when i enter Storage media and then cdrom0??
[10:16] <N6REJ> hey bobleny
[10:16] <aib> k got it, thanks
[10:17] <N6REJ> I'm stuck in recovery and not sure what to do now.
[10:17] <N6REJ> !recovery
[10:17] <ubotu> To rescue a broken system, boot the alternate install CD and select "Rescue a broken system"
[10:17] <N6REJ> BAH!
[10:17] <juano> LOL
[10:18] <Dr_willis> 'broken' how technical.
[10:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:18] <freshburn> is anyone familiar with partimage
[10:18] <N6REJ> stupid bot... I'm scared to do THAT because we just got this thing going yesterday and haven't had a chance to do a backup yet *sigh*
[10:19] <bobleny> Ok, tell me your problem...
[10:20] <N6REJ> bobleny: power plug got yanked on server somehow... so when rebooting it said "can't kill PID" and gave a process, we just rebooted into recovery and restarted the server.
[10:20] <hassan2a> qui a trackmania nation ?
[10:20] <juano> anyone knows why cant i see the .cda files when i enter Storage media and then cdrom0??
[10:20] <N6REJ> !es | hassan2a
[10:20] <ubotu> hassan2a: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:20] <N6REJ> !french
[10:20] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:21] <N6REJ> bobleny: its up :D  I wish winblows fixed itself that easy >... WHEW... now I need a good backup util.
[10:21] <hassan2a> !english
[10:21] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[10:21] <hassan2a> !french
[10:21] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:22] <hassan2a> :spanish
[10:22] <hassan2a> !spanich
[10:22] <bobleny> Have you tried a simply restart, skiping recovery mode?
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spanich - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <juano> anyone knows why cant i see the .cda files when i enter Storage media and then cdrom0??
[10:22] <heinkel_112> what kind of process is klash?
[10:22] <heinkel_112> ah
[10:23] <doudoo> hello all
[10:23] <heinkel_112> now i know
[10:23] <doudoo> hello all
[10:23] <doudoo> I have a dell laptop core 2 duo 2GHz and quadro nvs
[10:23] <doudoo> the problem is that the ventilator is running all the time
[10:23] <doudoo> and it's not in windows
[10:23] <doudoo> can somebody help me?
[10:24] <bobleny> doudoo, the problem is simple, "dell" lol
[10:24] <doudoo> ???
[10:24] <doudoo> why do you say that ?
[10:24] <doudoo> that's the best laptop I ever used
[10:24] <bobleny> I'm jokeing
[10:25] <N6REJ> bobleny: I need to do a full backup, do you have any clue the best backup to use?
[10:25] <bobleny> I have no idea whats a ventilator is...
[10:25] <N6REJ> bobleny: its something they use to keep you breathing when your dead :P
[10:25] <freshburn> i need to do a full backup of kubuntu edgy that can be restored over top of a fresh edgy install on another pc
[10:26] <N6REJ> !backup
[10:26] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[10:27] <bobleny> N6RE, see, ubotu smart....
[10:27] <freshburn> !cloning
[10:27] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type "dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages", move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type "sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade"
[10:27] <dromer> hmm, in FretsOnFire, when I return from fullscreen 640x480, X is still in 640x480 and doesn't change back to normal display
[10:28] <LuisMi> my floppy not work.. :(
[10:28] <PupenoR> Was Amarok's support for gstreamer removed in Kubuntu ?
[10:28] <freshburn> !sbackup
[10:28] <ubotu> sbackup is a tool to create complete and/or incremental backups (which can be scheduled to be automatic, and can be done over a network). It is available in !Universe
[10:28] <freshburn> luismi they have a little blue pill for that j/k
[10:28] <N6REJ> SWEET!
[10:29] <N6REJ> !floppy | LuisMi
[10:29] <ubotu> LuisMi: To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[10:29] <freshburn> ok now you find mine n6rej
[10:29] <freshburn> lol
[10:29] <N6REJ> freshburn: yours is incremental, this one...
[10:29] <N6REJ> !cloning
[10:29] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type "dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages", move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type "sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade"
[10:29] <bubu1uk> doudoo: for ur issue, is acpi support installed and working? not sure if that helps, but might.
[10:30] <doudoo> what is acpi please?
[10:30] <freshburn> my idea of "cloning" does NOT involve d/l'ing all the packages over my dialup connection again
[10:30] <freshburn> i want something i can burn to dvd and use to restore my system every time i screw stuff up
[10:30] <N6REJ> lol I don't think its saying that.... oh, I would use sbackup I think... I'm loooking now.
[10:30] <freshburn> i could use winhex but i need a reliabel way to read ext3 partitions with XP
[10:31] <doudoo> acpi is installed
[10:31] <LuisMi> thanks 4ubotu
[10:31] <dwidmann> another thing you could do, freshburn, would be to burn all of the cached package files in /var/cache/apt/archives, which would probably be most of it if you don't apt-get clean often
[10:31] <barjoh10> hello jerry
[10:31] <barjoh10> how r  u jerry
[10:31] <Dr_willis> freshburn,  i use that ext2-ifs stuff to let xp read/write to my linux drives.
[10:32] <manu_> i have generally with linux a problem, wehn i'm copying big data on a usb stick or mp3 player (ipod,...) then has the gui (konqueror finished) but the usb stick is still working, while this i can unmount the device without errors, data is not lost, only when i cut the connection between it and the pc while he is saving the data (LED, display)
[10:32] <manu_> i have this problem under debian sid kanotix
[10:32] <manu_> and now too with (k)ubuntu edgy
[10:32] <gerald_> yes
[10:32] <manu_> i think all my usb is 2.0
[10:32] <freshburn> !ext2-ifs
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext2-ifs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <freshburn> but isnt it ext3 not ext2? what the diff?
[10:33] <dwidmann> manu, I think I've heard of that before, unfortunately I haven't heard of a fix though
[10:33] <lupine_85> ext3 has a journal
[10:33] <freshburn> i think i only need read access to the linux partitions
[10:33] <freshburn> so using a ext2 software to read the ext3 partition shouldnt damage anything?
[10:33] <barjoh10> hello anyone
[10:34] <freshburn> hi
[10:34] <gerald_> hi
[10:34] <barjoh10> hi guys
[10:34] <barjoh10> (i hope u r tlaking to me)
[10:34] <gerald_> yes
[10:35] <freshburn> i talk to ne1 thatlistens i have alot to say
[10:35] <gerald_> about what
[10:36] <juano> anyone knows why cant i see the .cda files when i enter Storage media and then cdrom0??
[10:36] <freshburn> whatever is currently on tv usually
[10:36] <freshburn> lol i love tivo
[10:36] <dwidmann> juano, is cdrom0  mounted?
[10:36] <barjoh10> hey freshburn were are u from
[10:36] <freshburn> greatest thing to happen to tv since color
[10:36] <juano> dwidmann: yes, i can play it with kaffeine
[10:37] <juano> dwidmann: but i want to explore it
[10:37] <dwidmann> doesn't necessarily mean it's mounted
[10:37] <K-Ryan> !mp3streams
[10:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mp3streams - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:37] <dwidmann> what files do you see when you navigate to /media/cdrom0 juano?
[10:37] <K-Ryan> Anyone know any programs to play mp3 streams with?
[10:37] <juano> dwidmann: none
[10:37] <dwidmann> K-Ryan: amarok?
[10:37] <K-Ryan> Doesn't work for me
[10:37] <K-Ryan> I open the stream, hear nothing.
[10:38] <dwidmann> juano: type this in konsole, then check it again: mount /media/cdrom0
[10:38] <dwidmann> K-Ryan, how about Kaffeine?
[10:38] <juano> dwidmann: but when i open audacious, it starts playing them but theres no volume, only volume in kaffeine
[10:38] <juano> dwidmann: ok ill check
[10:38] <K-Ryan> Don't know, I think I tried it, lemme try again
[10:38] <barjoh10> dj darkman hello
[10:39] <barjoh10> Ppjet6 hello
[10:39] <juano> dwidmann: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1753/
[10:39] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: xmms will play streams 4 u.
[10:39] <Ppjet6> hello barjoh10
[10:39] <K-Ryan> let me try that, havent tried that yet...
[10:40] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: if u download plugin 4 it.
[10:40] <K-Ryan> ah, get it through adept?
[10:40] <barjoh10> helloPpjet how r u
[10:40] <Ppjet6> barjoh10, fine, you ?
[10:40] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: also u can try streamtuner. nice app that can search shoutcast stations 4 u
[10:40] <dwidmann> juano, do you get that with all audio cds?
[10:40] <juano> dwidmann: yea
[10:41] <dwidmann> K-Ryan: kaffeine should be installed by default in kubuntu, otherwise adept will work well
[10:41] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: yes, u can download/install it thru adept
[10:41] <K-Ryan> I have Kaffeine
[10:41] <barjoh10> atlast i got to talk to someone(i mean if u want to talk)
[10:41] <K-Ryan> But I don't think the streams worked, I'm trying again
[10:41] <enrage> Hello everyone. I'm looking for some help setting up a connection bridge.
[10:41] <wolfwalker> So, two questions
[10:41] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: also do u have multimedia support installed on ur system? then kaffeine will play most of stuff easily
[10:41] <wolfwalker> 1. Which is better, ubuntu or kubuntu, and why?
[10:41] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: neither
[10:41] <juano> dwidmann: i installed a package recently called cdfs
[10:41] <dwidmann> juano, that's odd, I've never had that problem
[10:41] <K-Ryan> !multimedia support
[10:42] <freshburn> wolfwalker depends on if you like kde or gnome
[10:42] <doudoo> kde vs gnome : the return !!!
[10:42] <juano> dwidmann: let me uninstall that
[10:42] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: same distro, except different desktop
[10:42] <dwidmann> juano, if you were to remove cdfs, would it work? could be worth a try
[10:42] <K-Ryan> Don't have multimedia support unless it's a default program
[10:42] <freshburn> it comes down to which color you like more orange or blue they both are capable of the same things
[10:42] <wolfwalker> 2. I have seen people say swap partition of twice your ram up to a gig. Why only up to a gig? What is the downside of three gigs of Linux version vram?
[10:42] <barjoh10> iam finePpjet
[10:42] <juano> dwidmann: yeah.. let me give it a shot
[10:42] <K-Ryan> yeah, missing plugins it seems
[10:42] <mildner> hi is anybody fit to configure my winTV-HVR900 USB stickl
[10:43] <wolfwalker> So ubuntu and kubuntu run the same programs?
[10:43] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: cuz u dont need that much. generaly, there's no downside
[10:43] <K-Ryan> Not by default
[10:43] <K-Ryan> But they can wlfwalker
[10:43] <dwidmann> K-Ryan, do you ahve libxine-extracodecs installed, you probably need it to play back mp3s
[10:43] <barjoh10>  I hope u want to talk with me
[10:43] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: well, yes,
[10:43] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: and no.
[10:43] <K-Ryan> Probably not dwidmann, I'll get it now
[10:43] <freshburn> they have different apps installed by default but both are capable of running the same softwares
[10:43] <freshburn> i would get livecds of each and test them both thats how i finally decided
[10:43] <wolfwalker> That's what I was wondering. Same program repositories, same programs are installable?
[10:44] <freshburn> each has thier own little quirks and bugs
[10:44] <juano> dwidmann: i tried this : sudo mount /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0
[10:44] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:44] <juano> dwidmann: i got this
[10:44] <juano> mount: block device /dev/hdb is write-protected, mounting read-only
[10:44] <juano> mount: /dev/hdb: can't read superblock
[10:44] <barjoh10> hello sebbar
[10:44] <bubu1uk> look for multimedia
[10:44] <K-Ryan> I'm downloading the codecs now
[10:44] <dwidmann> juano: you didn't need the sudo to mount a cd, anyhow, hmmmmmm, it's saying it can't read the cd, that's odd
[10:44] <K-Ryan> Let me see if that fixes it first =P
[10:44] <freshburn> wolfwalker yes, that is also something that confused me as a newb, i thought it was like a windows / mac thing where they were not compatible but i was very wrong
[10:44] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: u can actually have both gnome and kde isntalled
[10:44] <mildner> hi is anybody fit to configure winTV-HVR900 USB stick
[10:44] <dwidmann> juano, try it with a different audio cd
[10:44] <juano> dwidmann: ok
[10:45] <barjoh10> hello anyone
[10:45] <barjoh10> how r u
[10:45] <wolfwalker> What I'm beating around the bush about is............. if I find a program compiled for ubuntu, can I install it to kubuntu?
[10:45] <sebbar> barjoh10: hello :)
[10:45] <Theory> wolfwalker: yes
[10:45] <wolfwalker> Yes, in theory
[10:45] <wolfwalker> lol
[10:45] <wolfwalker> Sorry, couldn't pass that one up
[10:45] <barjoh10> hello sebbar
[10:45] <gdiebel> wolfwalker: they are the same thing
[10:45] <dwidmann> it can, so long as the packager did a good job
[10:46] <juano> dwidmann: i need sudo cause without sudo i get this : mount: only root can do that
[10:46] <juano> dwidmann: i tried with another cd and same error
[10:46] <barjoh10> i hope u want to talk about something sebbar
[10:46] <K-Ryan> Kaffeine plays now, thanks dwidmann, the codecs fixed it
[10:46] <dwidmann> juano, hmm, I don't get that error, odd at any rate, why do you need to see the *.cda files anyhow?
[10:47] <wolfwalker> So if I'm running on two 600 megahertz Pentium III processors, more than a gig of swap would not benefit?
[10:47] <freshburn> my question of which color you prefer orange or blue is VERY accurate in describing the differences under the hood
[10:47] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: dont' think so
[10:47] <dwidmann> wolfwalkder, the processor power is not the question, but how much memory you have that is
[10:47] <freshburn> also the fact that you can isntall ubuntu and change it into kubuntu and vice versa also shows the simularity
[10:47] <K-Ryan> !sound
[10:47] <juano> dwidmann: well actually i dont, my real problem is that audacious when it plays cd the tracks seem good, time appears and even p[lays except with no volume!
[10:47] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[10:47] <wolfwalker> So ram directly affects useability of vram?
[10:47] <dwidmann> if you've got 512mb or less of ram wolfwalker, you should invest in some swap
[10:47] <juano> dwidmann: in kaffeine they play fine
[10:47] <manu_> dwidmann: ah interesting,... because none of my "linux friends" has heared ever of this problem and so i thought its my fault^^, have you some more information? depends it on hardware (in google i havent found anything, or do i search wrong?)
[10:48] <dwidmann> jauno, I think I know why
[10:48] <juano> dwidmann: why is that?
[10:48] <wolfwalker> In other words, the less ram you have, the less swap you can use effectively?
[10:49] <sebbar> barjoh10: not really, too much work to do sorry :)
[10:49] <dwidmann> juano, something along the lines of an old way of doing things ... a wire being run from the cd drive to the sound or graphics card, or something like that, required to make it play back in a certain way. It will work if you've got that, and won't if you don't. IIRC
[10:49] <juano> dwidmann: darn, now that im trying not even data cds will appear in /media/cdrom0
[10:49] <K-Ryan> Hey guys, my friend is having sound trouble on his laptop. I checked the system stuff and under sound it says there is no sound device. Obviously it isn't being recognized, will this DmixPlugin fix it?
[10:49] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: as easiest answer for u to easiest to understand. linux writes to swap not currently used stuff from ram when it needs to free it a bit.
[10:49] <dwidmann> manu, I can't remember really, let me grep my logs and see what it was all about
[10:49] <barjoh10> o kay sebbar bye
[10:50] <portuga> alguien q hable en espaol?
[10:50] <bubu1uk> !es
[10:50] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:50] <wolfwalker> lol
[10:50] <wolfwalker> That bot is extremely useful I see
[10:50] <K-Ryan> Very VERY useful
[10:50] <dwidmann> juano, that's a really odd problem
[10:50] <juano> dwidmann: oohh no no its ok
[10:51] <juano> dwidmann: data cd works
[10:51] <K-Ryan> Anyone know if DmixPlugin will solve an unrecognized sound card?
[10:51] <freshburn> i hear alot about subversion and compiz what are they?
[10:51] <juano> dwidmann: had to refresh window
[10:51] <dwidmann> doh
[10:51] <bubu1uk> !compiz
[10:51] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:51] <dwidmann> K-Ryan, which sound card is it?
[10:51] <K-Ryan> Don't know, I think it's integrated into his laptop.
[10:52] <katabatic> anybody here use a laptop with Phoenix BIOS????
[10:52] <dwidmann> I'm not sure if it would or not K-Ryan, worth a try I suppose
[10:52] <K-Ryan> Okay, well for some reason the site won't load
[10:52] <K-Ryan> !sound
[10:52] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[10:52] <K-Ryan> Try it
[10:53] <ScarFreewill> !ubiquity
[10:53] <ubotu> ubiquity: Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.5 (edgy), package size 1594 kB, installed size 6188 kB
[10:53] <dwidmann> if it is going to load, it's certainly taking its sweet time K-Ryan
[10:53] <K-Ryan> Yes I know
[10:54] <juano> dwidmann: still no audio cd exploring
[10:54] <tamacracka> Hey guys, is there a script for GAIM that will show what I'm now playin on Amarok?
[10:54] <bubu1uk> tamacracka: u can search for some plugins, but doubt it.
[10:54] <bubu1uk> tamacracka: i havent heard of any.
[10:55] <JosefK> hey, just wondering if anyone's tried kubuntu feisty herd 2 yet?
[10:55] <tamacracka> what kinda plug ins are for GAIM?
[10:55] <bubu1uk> tamacracka: dont know. dont use it. google it
[10:55] <tamacracka> ok
[10:56] <K-Ryan> It still hasn't loaded... Trying adept...
[10:56] <wolfwalker> Thanks y'all for the input. Gonna fight with my Kubuntu some more. May even bring it online and go shopping for programs.
[10:57] <wolfwalker> Any suggestions for really good programs I should look at?
[10:57] <dwidmann> juano, grep /media/cdrom0 /etc/fstab
[10:57] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: u dont have to shop for programs on linux. forgoten open source idea?
[10:57] <josh_> what somewhat new games run in linux natively
[10:57] <wolfwalker> I used "shop" in the figurative sense
[10:58] <juano> dwidmann: /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[10:58] <bubu1uk> lol
[10:58] <K-Ryan> bubu1uk I think he just wanted to know what was good to use. =P
[10:58] <wolfwalker> As in, I'm going to look for any that catch my eye
[10:58] <dwidmann> I thought wolfwalker was being sarcastic, pretty funny actually
[10:58] <josh_> i'm doing a huge linux speech for english and i need to know
[10:58] <katabatic> can anybody help me getting my screen to dim and/or hotkeys to work on a Toshiba laptop with Phoenix BIOS?
[10:58] <wolfwalker> josh, depends on the distro
[10:58] <josh_> k well lets say ubuntu
[10:58] <juano> dwidmann: weird, it doesnt appear in mtab though
[10:58] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: kubuntu have over 20000 packages, what u want us to recomend?
[10:59] <dwidmann> juano: well, if it's not in mtab, you know what that means
[10:59] <wolfwalker> Josh, download knoppix and burn it as an iso, it has a lot of games that come with it
[10:59] <josh_> i know doom 3, all the unreal's, and all the games based off of unreal
[10:59] <juano> dwidmann: lol yea.. i need to add the line there
[10:59] <freshburn> has ne1 used win4lin?
[10:59] <dwidmann> Nay, it means that mounting it failed
[10:59] <katabatic> wolfwalker, I think he's talking about REAL games ;)
[10:59] <josh_> yeah, like mainstream games
[10:59] <dwidmann> and quite miserably I might add
[10:59] <josh_> not open source ones
[10:59] <wolfwalker> Ah, real games
[10:59] <josh_> ones that run on linux natively
[10:59] <dwidmann> quake4 :)
[11:00] <freshburn> is it worth the money if I have to use xp and am sick of dualbooting?
[11:00] <josh_> and i'm gonna mension WINE too
[11:00] <josh_> after
[11:00] <wolfwalker> wine rocks!
[11:00] <josh_> do all of the quake games run in linux
[11:00] <dwidmann> yup
[11:00] <josh_> prey too right?
[11:00] <wolfwalker> Much honor to all who contributed to wine
[11:00] <katabatic> I think there is one called something Enemy Territory that runs native on Linux, right?
[11:01] <bubu1uk> katabatic: yes
[11:01] <katabatic> honestly I'd just dual boot
[11:01] <katabatic> for games
[11:01] <josh_> yeah
[11:01] <josh_> wolfenstein
[11:01] <katabatic> for the non native ones
[11:01] <josh_> i said that
[11:01] <bubu1uk> honestly,
[11:01] <bubu1uk> i dont play games. lol
[11:01] <wolfwalker> If you are very rabidly anti-Windows, it can be painful if you're a gamer
[11:01] <freshburn> dwidmann do you dual boot to play quake4
[11:01] <josh_> what games run on the unreal engine
[11:02] <josh_> cuz all the unreal engine is coded for opengl and dx9
[11:02] <katabatic> can anybody help me getting my screen to dim and/or hotkeys to work on a Toshiba laptop with Phoenix BIOS?
[11:02] <josh_> i think ut2007 will be able to run in linux too
[11:02] <dwidmann> freshburn, no
[11:02] <dwidmann> quake4 is native :)
[11:02] <josh_> i got that one
[11:02] <josh_> 1-4 are all native
[11:02] <dwidmann> along with the otehr quakes
[11:03] <josh_> what else
[11:03] <katabatic> I think a google search would be best, jash
[11:03] <katabatic> josh
[11:04] <josh_> lol
[11:04] <josh_> yeah i know
[11:04] <josh_> but there are others
[11:04] <katabatic> linux native games
[11:04] <K-Ryan> josh, there was a big list on wikipedia
[11:04] <josh_> oh link me plz
[11:04] <K-Ryan> I think it was titled "Linux Games"
[11:04] <dwidmann> manu, if you're still around, I think I've found something in my logs
[11:04] <K-Ryan> I'll nab it for you
[11:04] <dwidmann> or manu_, if you're around too
[11:04] <juano> dwidmann: well any ideas?
[11:04] <chazco> hi, can anyone point me to the blue-blends wallpaper?
[11:05] <dwidmann> juano, I'm not sure yet, I'm probing my brain for ideas now
[11:05] <Dr_willis> chazco, kde-look.org perhaps?
[11:05] <beels15> jemand online ?
[11:05] <chazco> i've checked, cant find it there
[11:05] <K-Ryan> josh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_games
[11:05] <K-Ryan> Enjoy
[11:05] <freshburn> l8tr all
[11:05] <juano> dwidmann: heh ok
[11:06] <K-Ryan> Yeah that should be good enough for you josh
[11:07] <manu_> dwidmann: i'm still here
[11:07] <dwidmann> juano, well well, I've found our problem, I thinks
[11:07] <josh_> ok
[11:07] <josh_> now
[11:07] <juano> dwidmann: really
[11:07] <beels15> giebt es eine seite auf deutsch ?
[11:07] <josh_> what windows games work well in wine?
[11:07] <dwidmann> unfortunately, I'm not sure about a solutionk, I know I didn't have this problem in dapper ....
[11:08] <K-Ryan> Should be any from what I've heard
[11:08] <dwidmann> !paste | dwidmann
[11:08] <ubotu> dwidmann: paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste)
[11:08] <K-Ryan> I've yet to use it yet, otherwise I could completely tell you.
[11:08] <XVampireX> Hey, can anyone help me fix this?
[11:08] <manu_> hm all my alternative nicks are used, so i go back to manu_, if you wrte my full name i can see your messages blinking^^
[11:08] <K-Ryan> XVampireX, what is "this"?
[11:08] <XVampireX> Preparing to replace wpasupplicant 0.5.5-3v1ubuntu4 (using .../wpasupplicant_0.5.7+3v1ubuntu3_i386.deb) ...
[11:08] <XVampireX> Unpacking replacement wpasupplicant ...
[11:08] <XVampireX> dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 10
[11:08] <XVampireX> dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
[11:08] <XVampireX> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/wpasupplicant_0.5.7+3v1ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[11:08] <XVampireX>  subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 10
[11:09] <XVampireX> dpkg: error while cleaning up:
[11:09] <XVampireX>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 10
[11:09] <XVampireX> sorry :P
[11:09] <XVampireX> I don't really need it though, so if you can help me at the very least remove it....
[11:09] <beels15> is here chatroom off german ?
[11:09] <tsdgeos> !de
[11:09] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:10] <dwidmann> the !@#$!#$^@#%^&#%^%!@#@ pastebin is deciding to not let me use it, so I guess I'll have to use private messages juano, manu
[11:10] <K-Ryan> It's okay, wish I could help you with that. I only know how to fix the problems I've had, and I'm new so I haven't had too many yet.
[11:10] <juano> dwidmann: ok pm me
[11:10] <josh_> maybe
[11:10] <josh_> #cedega
[11:10] <manu_> dwidmann: what have you found in your logs?
[11:10] <josh_> #games
[11:10] <XVampireX> gonna put it in pastebin
[11:11] <XVampireX> dwidmann: try pastebin.ca
[11:11] <K-Ryan> !games
[11:11] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[11:11] <K-Ryan> Try those josh
[11:11] <dwidmann> manu_, one sec
[11:12] <dwidmann> manu_, crap, I lost it :(
[11:12] <manu_> dwidmann: keep cool, no stress, i only didnt know if you got my answer
[11:12] <manu_> hm
[11:13] <dwidmann> XVampireX, yes, though it's really annoying that the pastebin decides to say that everything is spam, and doesn't let people paste to it
[11:17] <kkosmo> !nviduia
[11:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nviduia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:17] <kkosmo> !nvidia
[11:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:18] <K-Ryan> !sound
[11:18] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[11:18] <josh_> !steam
[11:18] <ubotu> Steam can be found at: http://www.steampowered.com/
[11:18] <K-Ryan> Steam isn't supported by Linux
[11:18] <josh_> i want to run steam on linux but no text or anything is showing
[11:18] <K-Ryan> Err, Steam doesn't support Linux
[11:18] <josh_> wine obviously
[11:18] <K-Ryan> Have to use Wine
[11:19] <josh_> yeah
[11:19] <josh_> but its not working
[11:19] <josh_> tehre's no text or anything
[11:19] <K-Ryan> Try the forum?
[11:19] <K-Ryan> I think I saw a Wine compatibility thread somewhere on there
[11:20] <kkosmo> steam support good in wine
[11:20] <kkosmo> but i dont know how
[11:21] <josh_> in the window it said html rendering is off
[11:21] <josh_> how do i fix that
[11:22] <josh_> should i restart computer?
[11:23] <K-Ryan> You probably need html rendering
[11:23] <K-Ryan> and I don't know if this is the reason, but Steam uses the IE engine for its browser
[11:24] <chuck__> the nvidia web page seems like it's messed up right now. anyone know where i can get the latest nvidia display drivers? that do-able with apt-get?
[11:24] <kkosmo> !nivida
[11:25] <kkosmo> !nvidia
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nivida - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:25] <chuck__> haha thanks
[11:25] <kkosmo> =]
[11:25] <chuck__> did i just break a rule?
[11:26] <katabatic> can anybody help me getting my screen to dim and/or hotkeys to work on a Toshiba laptop with Phoenix BIOS?
[11:26] <K-Ryan> what kind of hotkeys?
[11:26] <kkosmo> what do you mean you break a rule
[11:26] <kkosmo> ?
[11:26] <K-Ryan> hotkeys on the keyboard?
[11:26] <katabatic> FN
[11:27] <K-Ryan> My friend sitting next to me, his FN stuff doesn't work either.
[11:27] <K-Ryan> !hotkeys
[11:27] <kkosmo> a
[11:27] <ubotu> hotkeys: A hotkeys daemon for your Internet/multimedia keyboard in X. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS> (edgy), package size 141 kB, installed size 384 kB
[11:27] <endo602> hello
[11:27] <K-Ryan> If you are running edgy you can try that
[11:27] <dwidmann> manu_ I think I've actually got it this time
[11:28] <endo602> i am having a problem login into x
[11:28] <endo602> dwidmann that nvidia problem is messing with me big time
[11:28] <beels15> please help me my workbar is off and my chanelbar is off i would like standart from Konversatiounspg.
[11:29] <endo602> i get to the login window and i enter my password but the screen just flickers and brings me back to the login window
[11:29] <katabatic> Ineed my screen to dim, more importantly
[11:29] <dwidmann> endo602, still? hmmmmmm
[11:29] <K-Ryan> I think you can manage that in system settings
[11:29] <endo602> dwidmann yah
[11:29] <K-Ryan> I'll look around it
[11:29] <dwidmann> manu_ seems a fix wasn't mentioned htough
[11:29] <endo602> now i cant log into xwindows
[11:30] <katabatic> K-Ryan, no
[11:30] <katabatic> not on mine
[11:30] <katabatic> won't work
[11:30] <K-Ryan> No, under Kubuntu
[11:30] <K-Ryan> K Menu>System Settings
[11:30] <dwidmann> endo602, that's an odd place for it to be failing you at, what type of session are you trying to log into, a regular kwin session?
[11:30] <K-Ryan> I'm looking through it now
[11:30] <endo602> yes
[11:31] <K-Ryan> Maybe not, I can't find anything for screen dimming.
[11:31] <Schuenemann> I get no sound while playing FLV files in Kaffeine, any ideas on that?
[11:31] <manu_> dwidmann: if you have a detailed description i will postit in a german forum (ubuntuusers.de) because i like german help better (it is my mother language)
[11:31] <dwidmann> endo602, I'm starting to run out of ideas then :\ I would think that setting up the drives with envy would work, it never gave me any trouble before
[11:32] <endo602> how do i uninstall drivers?
[11:32] <dwidmann> manu: it wasn't too detailed, just that there isn't any protection from things like accidental removal and the like
[11:33] <dwidmann> I wish I could find the rest of the conversation about it though, but that's a huge log to be searching
[11:33] <dwidmann> I think it was last month, but I can't be sure :\
[11:33] <endo602> :)
[11:33] <endo602> i logged in via recovery console
[11:34] <Schuenemann> I get no sound while playing FLV files in Kaffeine, any ideas on what should I do?
[11:34] <media> hello...  How do I get the boot option vga=771 into grub?
[11:34] <dwidmann> endo602, hmmm, I wonder if envy has an option for removal, if it does, then perhaps you could do that, then install nvidia-glx
[11:34] <casev01> how can i use apt-build?
[11:35] <endo602> when i use envy my screen goes blank
[11:35] <endo602> when i choose to uninstall
[11:35] <grumbly> anyone?
[11:35] <mineur> what's the prob grumbly?
[11:36] <grumbly> How do I get the boot option vga=771 into grub?
[11:36] <Schuenemann> editting grub's file?
[11:36] <grumbly> i'm new to linux, and my freebsd never used grub
[11:37] <mineur> just add it to the config file
[11:37] <grumbly> where is the config? /etc or /boot
[11:37] <Mez> ^menu.lst
[11:37] <mikki> i need help to install poweriso
[11:37] <endo602> side question
[11:37] <Mez> !menu.lst
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about menu.lst - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <endo602> when i bind directories
[11:37] <Mez> grumbly - see /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:37] <mineur> in /boot/grub I think
[11:37] <grumbly> thanks
[11:37] <Schuenemann>  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:37] <endo602> do i have to do it every time i reboot
[11:37] <mineur> there you see a line kernel blabla just add the option
[11:37] <Shaezsche> is there a command i can use to disable my wireless?
[11:38] <Shaezsche> sudo ifdown eth1 doesnt seem to to work, as iwconfig still reports stats
[11:38] <Mez> Shaezsche - sudo ifdown wlan0
[11:38] <Shaezsche> i dont have a wlan0
[11:38] <Shaezsche> just eth1
[11:38] <Mez> you sure eth1 = wireless?
[11:38] <Shaezsche> very sure
[11:39] <Shaezsche> when i iwconfig it gives me stats, signal strength and network name
[11:39] <Mez> Shaezsche - try - ifconfig eth1 down
[11:39] <Shaezsche> in fact my stupid card associates with ANY network
[11:39] <mikki> how do i install the file poweriso-1.1.tar.gz ???
[11:39] <Mez> Shaezsche - should eb in ifconfig that it shows it as down
[11:39] <Shaezsche> is it possible to not have it start up at boot?
[11:39] <mineur> maybe some other application enabling it again?
[11:39] <r3vo> hey, if i want to do a fresh install of kubuntu over an existing ubuntu system should i just tell the installer to format my swap and / partitions?
[11:39] <Mez> Shaezsche - comment it out of /etc/network/interfaces
[11:39] <Shaezsche> just before the eth1 or before the comand below eth1
[11:40] <Shaezsche> i tried that once, and iwconfig still showed it connected to a network
[11:40] <Mez> all of them
[11:40] <Schuenemann> I get no sound while playing FLV files in Kaffeine, any ideas on what should I do?
[11:40] <Mez> #auto eth1 inet static
[11:41] <mikki> how do i install the file poweriso-1.1.tar.gz ???
[11:41] <Mez> #iface eth1
[11:41] <Mez> !targz > mikki
[11:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about targz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:41] <Mez> !tar.gz > mikki
[11:41] <mineur> mikki: gunzip poweriso then untar poweriso, then read the README :)
[11:42] <josh_> how is linux gonna work with DX10 games?
[11:42] <josh_> that's gonna be hard to get into wine or cedega
[11:42] <klees> how can i add Konsole to my right-click desktop menu???
[11:42] <manu_> bye gn8
[11:42] <katabatic> can anybody help me getting my screen to dim and/or FN hotkeys to work on a Toshiba laptop with Phoenix BIOS?
[11:43] <Mez> mineur - why two seperate actions when you can tar -zxf ?
[11:43] <Daisuke_Ido> linux probably won't work with DX10 games, at least not right away
[11:43] <mineur> good point :d
[11:43] <Mez> Daisuke_Ido - some progress for DX10 has been made by cedega
[11:43] <klees> how can i add Konsole to my right-click desktop menu???
[11:43] <grumbly> ok, so i found the file- woud I just specify on the kernel line vga=771 like i did at install time?
[11:43] <Daisuke_Ido> that's a plus
[11:43] <josh_> how about wine
[11:43] <mikki> mineur: untar ?
[11:43] <mineur> yep grumbly
[11:43] <grumbly> sweet
[11:43] <Daisuke_Ido> if they could just get The Longest Journey working, i'd be thrilled
[11:43] <mineur> tar -xvf
[11:43] <mineur> :)
[11:43] <grumbly> thanks for the help, I am sure I will be back soon
[11:44] <klees> anyone?
[11:44] <Mez> grumbly - there should be (above all the menu entries) an option for default entries
[11:44] <mikki> mineur: now i got a file named poweriso
[11:45] <mikki> mineur: what do i do now:P
[11:45] <josh_> just put konsole in ur quicklaunch
[11:45] <josh_> its even faster
[11:45] <mineur> mikki: you have a directory poweriso now right?
[11:46] <mineur> cd into it, and look for a file install or readme it will tell you how to install the stuff
[11:46] <mikki> mineur: no just a executable file
[11:46] <mineur> hmmm
[11:46] <mineur> what is that thing poweriso anyway?
[11:46] <vursitis> hello
[11:46] <grumbly> Mez: I dont know what you mean
[11:47] <grumbly> Oh, yeah, I see that
[11:47] <grumbly> The error I am trying to correct is present in all boot options
[11:47] <grumbly> except for memtesrt
[11:47] <endo602> hmmmm
[11:47] <endo602> i erased the drivers
[11:47] <endo602> still not working
[11:48] <mikki> mineur: i got a daa file i want to view
[11:48] <Daisuke_Ido> there's probably a very easy way to do this, but...  i need to download all files in a directory that match a certain mask (ad??-??-??.odt, for example).  is there an easy way to go about that?
[11:48] <Schuenemann> hasn't anybody here watched an FLV video? =/
[11:48] <juano__> dwidmann:
[11:48] <Daisuke_Ido> Schuenemann: try VLC
[11:48] <josh_> kubuntu-jp
[11:48] <dwidmann> juano?
[11:48] <josh_> #kubuntu-jp
[11:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i've never had any luck with kaffeine and FLVs
[11:49] <juano__> dwidmann: pm me, i tried through gnome no luck ,same deal
[11:49] <Schuenemann> what is VLC?
[11:49] <Schuenemann> hmm
[11:49] <Daisuke_Ido> !vlc
[11:49] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[11:49] <Schuenemann> but it seems I don't have a codec
[11:49] <josh_> #kubuntu-de
[11:49] <Schuenemann> as the video plays
[11:49] <juano__> anyone know why i cant play audio cd with audacious???
[11:49] <mineur> that poweriso is it a linux executable?
[11:49] <AdamFz> Schuenemann : I get the same issue in Kaffeine. MPlayer works fine
[11:49] <Daisuke_Ido> Schuenemann: that's the nice thing about VLC
[11:49] <Daisuke_Ido> it uses no codecs
[11:49] <Schuenemann> how come?
[11:49] <Daisuke_Ido> they're all self-contained
[11:49] <AdamFz> I've never bothered to find out why. Kaffeine sucks anyway :)
[11:49] <Daisuke_Ido> within the program
[11:49] <dwidmann> juano__: I had no luck in teh virtual machine either, but I suspect that is because the host OS is edgy . ..
[11:49] <juano__> dwidmann: ok
[11:49] <mikki> mineur: i dont know :P http://www.poweriso.com/download.htm
[11:49] <endo602> can someone help me with a login issue
[11:50] <Schuenemann> I'll try
[11:50] <mineur> lol
[11:50] <Schuenemann> it already comes with a GUI, right?
[11:50] <Daisuke_Ido> Schuenemann: VLC? yes
[11:50] <endo602> wen i enter the passward.. the screen clicks and then kicks me back to login page
[11:50] <Schuenemann> ok, downloading :)
[11:52] <crusty> hello! i need to convert avi in to wmv........what program do i need for kubuntu 6.10 edgy?????
[11:53] <juano__> anyone help me with audicious???
[11:53] <denisel> hi im trying to get my digital camra to work the comp does not read it
[11:53] <juano__> i cant play cds in audicious
[11:53] <juano__> anyone know why?
[11:53] <grumbly> Mez: I see what youre saying noew
[11:54] <denisel> can anyone help
[11:54] <wolfwalker> Okay, I'm new to linux in general and kubuntu in particular, and I'm soliciting advice for programs to install.
[11:54] <wolfwalker> Best antivirus?
[11:54] <wolfwalker> Firewall?
[11:54] <wolfwalker> Audio format converter?
[11:55] <JohnFlux> wolfwalker: no need for antivirus or firewall
[11:55] <Schuenemann> Daisuke_Ido: VLC doesn't even play the file
[11:55] <wolfwalker> lol
[11:55] <Daisuke_Ido> there's no reason it shouldn't play it
[11:55] <Daisuke_Ido> it plays every flv i've thrown at it perfectly
[11:55] <sinless> spanish
[11:56] <mineur> !es
[11:56] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:56] <mineur> o hablame :p
[11:56] <Schuenemann> well, it doesn't for me
[11:56] <Schuenemann> very weird
[11:56] <Daisuke_Ido> definitely
[11:56] <Daisuke_Ido> mplayer is another option
[11:56] <Schuenemann> it seems it starts playing and stops almost immediately
[11:56] <wolfwalker> Anyone ever heard of the k-lite mega codec pack?
[11:57] <wolfwalker> That works well for my brother
[11:57] <Schuenemann> [00000258]  main playlist: nothing to play
[11:57] <Schuenemann> that's konsole's output
[11:57] <katabatic> wolf, yeah
[11:57] <katabatic> that's for Windows, right?
[11:57] <wolfwalker> Dunno
[11:57] <wolfwalker> He runs it on Windows
[11:57] <denisel> im a windows refugee and my comp will not pick up my digital camra
[11:57] <wolfwalker> Seems something that expansive would be for linux too
[11:58] <Schuenemann> this sucks
[11:58] <katabatic> naw
[11:58] <Schuenemann> I'll try an AVI
[11:58] <katabatic> it isn't, I don't think
[11:58] <wolfwalker> Rats
[11:58] <katabatic> why?
[11:58] <wolfwalker> It's so useful too
[11:58] <juano__> i cant play cds in audicious, anyone knows why??
[11:58] <katabatic> you can install most, if not all codecs you need by following Ubuntu guide
[11:58] <Schuenemann> Daisuke_Ido: AVI is ok
[11:58] <Schuenemann> I still believe in codecs' problem
[11:59] <Shaezsche> id like to make an icon that executes "sudo modprobe ipw2200 and nm-applet --sm-disable" when i double click on it. how can i do this?
[11:59] <wolfwalker> Okay, I have aroura and wine to download when I hook up my Kubuntu computer to the net. Any other programs anyone could recommend for a music nut to download?
[11:59] <denisel> i have the program digikam and it will not read my camra i want to put family photos on my computer but i cant
[12:00] <wolfwalker> Audio format converter perhaps?
[12:00] <Daisuke_Ido> amarok
[12:00] <wolfwalker> Already have amarok, it came with Kubuntu
[12:00] <dwidmann> juano, the fact that you can't play them in audacious, and can in kaffeine, is related to that wire I said about, I'm pretty sure
[12:00] <N6REJ> anyone know why adding a tast in kontact brings up a box with 2 choices?
[12:00] <dwidmann> You'll get the same results if you try to play it with kscd(or whatever it's called)
[12:00] <Daisuke_Ido> audacity if you can deal with the evil interface
[12:00] <wolfwalker> Hey!
[12:00] <wolfwalker> I like Audacity
[12:00] <dwidmann> Kaffeine uses a different method to play back the disk though, so it gives you sound with no problem, juano__
[12:00] <Daisuke_Ido> hehe
[12:01] <wolfwalker> It is a bit simplistic, true
[12:01] <Daisuke_Ido> it's a nice package, but the interface is so horribly GTK :(
[12:01] <wolfwalker> But it works wonders for my music files
[12:01] <wolfwalker> GTK?
[12:01] <dwidmann> sound-konverter :)
[12:01] <katabatic> what about XMMS?
[12:01] <jorval> hello all, i have a opengl problem with my nvidia geforce7600 and hope someone has an hint for me, ive installed the driver from the nvidia site. ive running (kubuntu 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP) and an cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version tells me (NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module  1.0-9746) the driver ive installed. but when i start glxgears or glxinfo my xserver restarts.. :-( any suggestions ?
[12:01] <wolfwalker> Yes, I need a sound converter
[12:01] <denisel> i had to get a new sound card for my comp mabey yours is not working
[12:01] <katabatic> says it's almost like Winamp in the package description
[12:01] <Schuenemann> dwidmann: do you play FLV on kaffeine?
[12:01] <dwidmann> sound-konverter is indeed a sound converter :O
[12:01] <wolfwalker> Oh, is that the name
[12:02] <wolfwalker> What formats does it have?
[12:02] <dwidmann> FLV? I'm not even familiar with the format
[12:02] <Schuenemann> FLash Video
[12:02] <wolfwalker> FLAC? wma?
[12:02] <katabatic> wolfwalker, you get my message
[12:02] <dwidmann> AVIs and WMVs on occasion, usually just DVDs though
[12:02] <Schuenemann> youtube and google video use FLV
[12:02] <wolfwalker> Oh, that Winamp mention was for me
[12:02] <katabatic> yes
[12:03] <wolfwalker> I don't want winamp duplicate, I want something that does the same thing dBpowerAMP does
[12:03] <katabatic> I found XMMS in the package manager
[12:03] <dwidmann> wolfwalker, it does quite a few, I think
[12:03] <dwidmann> !info sound-konverter
[12:03] <ubotu> Package sound-konverter does not exist in any distro I know
[12:03] <denisel> can anyone help me
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> xmms is *just* a winamp 2.x clone
[12:03] <dwidmann> !info soundkonverter
[12:03] <ubotu> soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1047 kB, installed size 1980 kB
[12:03] <wolfwalker> Frontend
[12:03] <soulrider> denisel: thats what were here for
[12:03] <wolfwalker> Hmmm
[12:04] <dwidmann> I think it does the usual, FLAC, ogg, lame, etc
[12:04] <denisel> my computer will not read my digital ca,ra
[12:04] <wolfwalker> LAME is indeed lame
[12:04] <denisel> camra
[12:04] <soulrider> i use soundkonverter
[12:04] <Schuenemann> Mplayer is playing FLV
[12:04] <dwidmann> wav and wma too wolfwalker
[12:04] <wolfwalker> I'd use ogg if my digital player would read it
[12:04] <wolfwalker> Stupid box
[12:04] <Schuenemann> Daisuke_Ido: Mplayer is playing FLV, but Mplayer is ugly
[12:04] <katabatic> why is LAMe lame
[12:04] <katabatic> haha
[12:05] <dwidmann> schuenmann, how about kmplayer?
[12:05] <dwidmann> less ugly?
[12:05] <wolfwalker> Well................. give them credit, LAME is better than Apple's official mp3
[12:05] <Schuenemann> never tried
[12:05] <soulrider> denisel: what do you mean? you conncted it and it doesnt appear ?
[12:05] <Schuenemann> is it?
[12:05] <dwidmann> Yes.
[12:05] <dwidmann> also makes a very good browser plugin
[12:05] <Schuenemann> *sigh* will try it :)
[12:05] <denisel> yes and went i auto detect it says non detected
[12:05] <Schuenemann> I hope it plays FLV
[12:06] <katabatic> well, lame is the best mp3 encoder, so what's wrong  with it
[12:06] <Daisuke_Ido> kmplayer uses the same backend, i think
[12:06] <Mez> !info vlc |Schuenemann
[12:06] <dwidmann> it plays anything mplayer, xine, or gstreamer will play Schuenemann
[12:06] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[12:06] <wolfwalker> So soundkonverter is a front-end. Do they have a menu of codecs, or do I go all over the world to try to gather them?
[12:06] <casev01> i canot use apt-build :(
[12:06] <Schuenemann> Mez: it doesn't work for me
[12:06] <Mez> Schuenemann - weird...
[12:06] <dwidmann> casev01, why not?
[12:06] <Mez> Schuenemann - probably cause flv = proprietary
[12:07] <dwidmann> katabatic, I like blade for mp3 encoding
[12:07] <soulrider> but denisel, when you connect it, does a popup appear ?
[12:07] <wolfwalker> blade?
[12:07] <wolfwalker> Is that also known as razorlame?
[12:07] <denisel> nope
[12:07] <Schuenemann> Mez: well, Daisuke_Ido reported he plays it at his comp
[12:07] <wolfwalker> I have razorlame and all2lame
[12:07] <casev01> it does not find any package
[12:07] <casev01> and when it find someone it give me an error
[12:07] <dwidmann> casev01, do you have all of the deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:08] <dwidmann> might need them
[12:08] <denisel> ok i have the camra in now nothing happends
[12:08] <casev01> yes
[12:08] <wolfwalker> katabatic, for the record: there is nothing wrong with the LAME encoder per se. Just that there are better lossy formats than mp3.
[12:08] <soulrider> sorry deniselclosed the wrong program :P
[12:08] <Mez> Schuenemann - what version of kubuntu are you using
[12:08] <casev01> look here i posted the error
[12:08] <agente2012> hi
[12:08] <casev01> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/www.kubuntu-es.org/public_html/?q=node/1755
[12:08] <Schuenemann> dwidmann: no sound with kmplayer
[12:08] <Schuenemann> Mez: 6.06
[12:08] <sleepy495> Should I install flash9 before or after I install Firefox 2 or it doesn't matter?
[12:08] <soulrider> denisel: youre sure its a problem with the Pc and not the camera right ?
[12:08] <dwidmann> Schuenemann, odd
[12:08] <Schuenemann> no sound and fishy FPS too
[12:08] <TheGateKeeper> sleepy495, after
[12:08] <denisel> yes because in windows 98 it worked fine
[12:08] <juano__> dwidmann: i think the problem is i need .cda support for audacious, plus i tried xmms to read the cd, same as audacious
[12:09] <dwidmann> it uses mplayer, you can edit the arguments it sends to mplayer, perhaps change the -ao option to something like -ao alsa
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> wolfwalker: there are much better than mp3, but until they reach mass acceptance, mp3 will be the format of choice for 99% of the population :\
[12:09] <soulrider> ok, denisel, what camera is it ?
[12:09] <sleepy495> How do I install the latest version of Firefox2? Just use adept package manager?
[12:09] <wolfwalker> Okay, I have ardour, audacity, soundkonvertor and wine. Anything else a linux - Kubuntu newbie should get?
[12:09] <wolfwalker> FIREFOX, of course!
[12:09] <denisel> samsung digimax
[12:09] <Mez> Schuenemann- I believe that the latest ffmpeg supports it ... do you have that installed? if so it's probably an out of date version
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> *much better formats than mp3
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> wolfwalker: firefox is core.
[12:09] <Schuenemann> Mez: how do I check?
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> it's included
[12:09] <TheGateKeeper> sleepy495, if you are edgy yes
[12:10] <wolfwalker> I knew that.............
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> :P
[12:10] <Mez> Schuenemann - dpkg -l | grep ffmpeg
[12:10] <wolfwalker> Really, I did :D
[12:10] <katabatic> in Kubuntu, it is?
[12:10] <Schuenemann> Mez: no output
[12:10] <juano__> dwidmann: FIXED!
[12:10] <soulrider> denisel: let me look for some info
[12:10] <sleepy495> Can somoene give me the command to install flash9 on the konsole please?
[12:10] <dwidmann> juano__ do tell!
[12:10] <denisel> ok i will get a coffee
[12:10] <juano__> dwidmann: i selected digital audio extraction in options from audacious and it worked!
[12:10] <wolfwalker> Yay!
[12:10] <juano__> dwidmann: theres 2 options there, analog and digital audio extraction
[12:11] <dwidmann> jauno__ that's what I was talking about, actually
[12:11] <wolfwalker> So, any other programs a Kubuntu newb needs?
[12:11] <juano__> dwidmann: i selected digital audio extraction and it worked
[12:11] <dwidmann> has to be digital or you won't get sound unless you have the analog line
[12:11] <TheGateKeeper> sleepy495, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Flash_Player_.28Macromedia_Flash.29_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[12:11] <juano__> dwidmann: yeah... seems that all those other apps dot hat by defect
[12:11] <Mez> Schuenemann - then you dont have it installed - sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
[12:11] <TheGateKeeper> !flash9
[12:11] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[12:11] <juano__> by default i mean
[12:12] <agente2012> TheGateKeeper:  sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[12:12] <TheGateKeeper> !backports
[12:12] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[12:12] <agente2012> in konsole
[12:12] <dwidmann> wolfwalker: konq-kim is a nice thing to have, kipi-plugins are nice, k3b (release candidate 2) is grand ... koffice is great
[12:12] <I-04> hey everyone, im trying to solve the following:  i compiled gaim 2.0beta5 from source, but adept thinks that the repo version is newer, which it isn't. i tried setting the version number of the package with checkinstall, but i still get the same problem. any thoughts?
[12:12] <wolfwalker> k3b is already installed, I think
[12:12] <wolfwalker> What do the others do?
[12:12] <agente2012> For install flash player for firefox and more
[12:12] <agente2012> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[12:13] <TheGateKeeper> sleepy495, ^^^^^
[12:13] <dwidmann> wolfwalker: yes, but it's an aging version of k3b installed ... k3b 1.0 pre1 and on are much improved
[12:13] <wolfwalker> Ah so!
[12:13] <wolfwalker> Thanks
[12:13] <sleepy495> all I have to do is sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree and thats it? will that install for firefox and konquerer?
[12:13] <wolfwalker> What is konq-kim?
[12:14] <agente2012> yes sleepy495
[12:14] <wolfwalker> And what are the kipi-plugins?
[12:14] <agente2012> firefox and konqueror
[12:14] <steve_> anyone here use vmware server?
[12:14] <sleepy495> thanks
[12:14] <agente2012> :)


[15:45] <mup> Bug #1713094 opened: [2.2] Make maas-proxy more configurable <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713094>
[15:48] <mup> Bug #1713094 changed: [2.2] Make maas-proxy more configurable <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713094>
[15:57] <mup> Bug #1713094 opened: [2.2] Make maas-proxy more configurable <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713094>
[17:51] <mup> Bug #1710177 changed: curtin in-target commands do not work for ubuntu core <curtin:Incomplete> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1710177>
[17:51] <mup> Bug #1711416 changed: [2.3, snap] NTP not running when split rack controller is a snap <snap> <MAAS:Invalid by andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1711416>
[17:51] <mup> Bug #1713118 opened: [2.x] Provide curtin version as part of MAAS 'version' api <cdoqa> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713118>
[18:32] <mimizone> anybody familiar with Maas + Wedge switches here? I wonder what featrues you get once ubuntu is  installed on the switch? L2 switching, L3 routing, DHCP relay etc...
[21:18] <catbus> wililupy: ^^^ MAAS + wedge
[21:20] <wililupy> mimizone: I can help you...
[21:20] <mimizone> wililupy: cool. Just wondering what we get in terms of networking capabilities in the distrib supported by Maas
[21:21] <mimizone> or should I look into installing additional features like snaproute or else
[21:21] <wililupy> mimizone: curretnly you can install Ubuntu on a Wedge and you will see the Managment port.
[21:22] <wililupy> You will still need to install some form of network control software on the wedge, like SONiC or FBOSS or FlexSwitch to manage the front panel ports and setup networking.
[21:24] <wililupy> However, once you have that setup, MAAS will autodetect the ports on the switch and then you can manage those ports via MAAS, so servers connected to those ports will get the DHCP address/VLAN and Bonding you configure for those ports
[21:25] <mimizone> So Maas can detect the port configuration but cannot configure the ports itself (with some kind of integration with FBOSS or else?)
[21:26] <roaksoax> mimizone: not yet, we are working on that towards 18.04
[21:26] <wililupy> currently the only switch that MAAS can configure out of the box is any Mellanox switch since they use SwitchDev.
[21:26] <mimizone> What control plane is preferred in the current development?
[21:27] <wililupy> But that switch has to be deployed with Zesty
[21:28] <wililupy> mimizone: I have a blog entry and link to a video of MAAS running on Zesty on a Mellanox SN2100: https://www.lucaswilliams.net/index.php/2017/05/08/switchdev-in-ubuntu-zesty/
[21:29] <mimizone> wililupy: I'll check it out. My interest on Wedge 40 and 100 that I already have.
[21:32] <mimizone> I've seen recent post on the work between Snaproute and Canonical. Does it mean it's one of the first one that will be integrated to configure the ports from MAAS?
[21:33] <wililupy> mimizone: I've done demos in the past of those configurations, Wedge 100 running MAAS and managing a rack of servers and also manageing and deploying a Wedge 40.
[21:34] <mimizone> wililupy: I guess I missed them. I've seen a video demo using those swtches and the Orange box. Most likely you on the video? :)
[21:34] <wililupy> mimizone: more than likely ;)
[21:35] <mimizone> wililupy: is there any early code in MAAS-dev already targeting FBOSS or any other control plane?
[21:36] <wililupy> roaksoax: ^^ You have any insight on this?
[21:44] <roaksoax> mimizone: right now we can only dpeloy the wedge40/100 but we are working on expanding the scope. For our next release (2.3) there will be expanded support for switches in general
[21:44] <roaksoax> mimizone: but we are working towards the auto-configuration, which is targeted to 18.04
[21:45] <mimizone> but no sense of which middleware/control plane you will be using (existing one or your own).
[21:45] <mimizone> roaksoax: I am asking to see which one I shoudl experiment with now already potentially
[21:47] <roaksoax> since we are still on the works and due to the limitations of the NOS', there's no one in particular I can tell you about yet
[21:48] <roaksoax> mimizone: but, as you said, you have seen the recent post between canonical & snaproute
[21:49] <mimizone> that was a very high level post :)