[02:46] <MoleMan> for internal purposes, is it possible to configure bind9 for DNS records that are just a single word? would you have to create each as a seperate zone or something? or is it not possible
[02:51] <lifeless> you could make them all top level entries, but its -much- more common to set a local domain such as .local, or use split horizon on your company domain
[02:51] <lifeless> less likely to run into odd things that way
[02:57] <MoleMan> yeah, I came to the conclusion that I couldn't be bothered manually creating the zones for each one, so I resorted to making a domain to use... then moved back to considering buying a domain, and some cheap web-hosting... #fail
[03:00] <MoleMan> would I be correct in presuming that in DNS records @ is the equivalent of a wildcard * / the value for the main domain?
[03:03] <ScottK> No.
[03:03] <ScottK> Wildcard and value for the main domain aren't the same thing.
[03:04] <ScottK> @ is the main domain.
[03:06] <MoleMan> okay,
[03:07] <MoleMan> is there a way to set invalid/unspecified subdomains redirect to the main, in a wildcard type manner?
[03:11] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:11] <ScottK> But it requires reading documentation.
[03:15] <nathwill> hey maskilpdx, you around?
[03:53]  * MoleMan is about ready to just purge bind9
[04:14] <erichammond> After many years of running bind8/9, I finally turned over my DNS work to Amazon Route53.  They served almost 50 million DNS hits for my personal servers last month.
[08:25] <AdvoWork> I'm booting my VM of Ubuntu 12.04 Server and I think it's not booting due to mounts in /etc/fstab. Is there a way I can edit the /etc/fstab from the grub> menu? I get the option to boot into normal mode, recovery mode, any suggestions please? I've got access via a VPN.
[08:25] <Jeeves_> AdvoWork: You can try booting with init=/bin/sh
[08:32] <AdvoWork> Jeeves_, before I read that, ive booted into recovery mode, and got a root console up, im trying to change /etc/fstab but it says its read only. so i tried sudo vim /etc/fstab  same, any idea how I can change etc/fstab?
[08:33] <Jeeves_> AdvoWork: mount -o remount,rw /
[08:33] <Jeeves_> vi /etc/fstab
[08:33] <Jeeves_> mount -o remount,ro /
[08:33] <Jeeves_> reboot
[08:37] <AdvoWork> Jeeves_, but when I did vim /etc/fstab it said it was readonly and wouldnt save my changes :S
[08:38] <Jeeves_> AdvoWork: Thats because the filesystem is mounted read-only
[08:38] <Jeeves_> That's why you need to remount,rw
[08:38] <AdvoWork> ahh, so do:  mount -o remount,rw / first, or do i need to be in a certain location to do that?
[08:40] <jpds_> AdvoWork: Yes, and no.
[09:02] <AdvoWork> Jeeves_, jpds i've gotta say "Thanks" that solve my issue, and my server now boots up! Thanks loads
[09:07] <koolhead17> hi all
[09:09] <basil60> any chance of getting some advice re ubuntu 11.04 and a a web server that tests as working, but I can't see any pages? It worked fine till a week ago, when electricians turned off my power. Since then, I haven't been able to see any web pages. I've run tests, that show it's "up", but I can' t see anything. I admit to being a linux noob, but I have been able to configure and keep it running till the electrical shutdown. I'd like a
[09:17] <AdvoWork> On my Ubuntu 12.04 I have mounts(that are like: //IP/share /home/whatever cifs exec) which I know work fine, but when I do sudo mount -a they ask for a password, if i press enter it accepts it, and the shares seem to work fine, but because of asking for those passwords, it stops the server booting up.Any ideas please?
[09:33] <adac> trying to upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04 bit i do geht this:
[09:33] <adac> sudo do-release-upgrade --proposed
[09:33] <adac> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[09:33] <adac> No new release found
[09:33] <adac> any ideas?
[09:37] <basil60> thanks guys..I'll try again later
[09:37] <basil60> ciao
[09:38] <jpds> adac: -d ?
[09:39] <adac> jpds, ah I see the first point release has not been relesased yet
[09:43] <rbasak> AdvoWork: see mount.cifs(8). I think you want the guest option.
[10:06] <stiv2k> hello
[10:07] <stiv2k> is there any utility to configure what the power buttons and stuff do on a headless ubuntu server
[10:07] <stiv2k> i'd like to be able to suspend/wake my boinc cluster computers easily by pressing the button
[10:07] <stiv2k> and eventually also on schedule via WOL
[10:08] <rbasak> stiv2k: start from /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn
[10:11] <stiv2k> rbasak eh
[10:13] <stiv2k> rbasak i dont know how to edit those
[12:22] <Sprocks> !autoconf
[12:23] <Sprocks> im looking for how to acquire and install autoconf so that i may install something from github can anyone help?
[12:23] <soren> Wrong channel.
[12:23] <RoyK> Sprocks: apt-get install autotools
[12:24] <RoyK> !autotools
[12:24] <Sprocks> !autotools
[12:24] <patdk-wk> !autoanswer
[12:24] <Sprocks> unable to find autotools is the message i got
[12:25] <AdvoWork> can I somehow see what groups a user belongs to?
[12:25] <Pici> AdvoWork: use 'groups $username'
[12:25] <Pici> RoyK: does autotools-dev provide what Sprocks needs?
[12:26] <Sprocks> !autotools-dev
[12:26] <Pici> !info autotools-dev
[12:26] <RoyK> Pici: guess so
[12:26] <Sprocks> nope it doesnt seem to
[12:27] <Sprocks> im really trying to get aclocal and i was told it is in autoconf
[12:27] <Pici> !info autoconf
[12:29] <Sprocks> think i found it, package automake
[12:30] <Sprocks> that worked, thanks for help guys found what i needed
[12:32] <Pici> great
[12:37] <Sprocks> also needed build-essential package as well
[12:38] <Lachezar> Hello all... I am fiddling with Ubuntu Server and Java. How come the OpenJDK-7 JDK have so humonstrous dependencies? Most have to do with Gnome...
[12:40] <Lachezar> Can't I install OpenJDK-7 with OpenJDK-7-JRE-Headless only?
[12:44] <Sprocks> how do i fix "error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB" ?
[12:47] <RoyK> anyone here tried to use a qlogic iscsi hba with ubuntu?
[12:49] <jamespage> smoser, is utlemming around this week?  I've not managed to catch him either yesterday or today
[12:49] <smoser> i dont know.  others have pinged me looking for him also.
[12:49] <smoser> i dont recall that he was out.
[12:50] <jamespage> smoser, calender says not - I'll see if arosales knows
[12:50] <smoser> yeah
[12:51] <rbasak> Sprocks: try looking into autoreconf
[12:58] <smb> roaksoax, Would you have some time for some questions about the IPMI issue (and would you be ok talking here?)
[13:00] <roaksoax> smb: yeah definitely
[13:00] <roaksoax> smb: so I have been reading the manual (as I didn
[13:01] <roaksoax> smb: so I have been reading the manual (as I didn't put the cards into the servers), and i should be able to access to it without doing anything special
[13:01] <smb> roaksoax, If those follow the modes that my supermicro board does you only need the drivers to access it without net locally
[13:02] <smb> roaksoax, There are also modes which connect via net to the bmc and those would not need the drivers at all
[13:03]  * ppetraki o/
[13:04]  * smb was just trying to find out whether net connections would work
[13:04] <roaksoax> smb: yeah, so everything works like a charm
[13:04] <roaksoax> smb: I can access the WebUI, the lan protocol is configured
[13:04] <roaksoax> smb: everything works as expected but trying to access it locally
[13:06] <roaksoax> smb: so my issue seems to be better explained here: http://bodgitandscarper.co.uk/centos/hp-microserver-remote-management-card/
[13:07] <smb> roaksoax, Ok so that then might be some bios problem
[13:07] <smb> roaksoax, Have you tried with the alternate address as well?
[13:08] <roaksoax> smb: testing now
[13:12] <cwesterfield> anyone know how to get past this configure error "configure: error: Package requirements (libcrypto) were not met:"
[13:13] <roaksoax> smb: doesn't seem to be solved
[13:14] <smb> roaksoax, and dmesg prints the alternate address? Second thing to check would be your manual (whether they have a different default address)
[13:15] <roaksoax> smb: seems to be exactly this "IPMI KCS interface is at 0xCA2 in memory, not 0xCA8 that the kernel is trying to probe"
[13:17] <roaksoax> smb: alright, so a reboot did it
[13:17] <smb> roaksoax, Ah, maybe the module was still loaded with the wrong address
[13:18] <roaksoax> smb: yeah, apparently so. So it would be a BIOS issue then? not the kernel for trying to probe a different address?
[13:18] <smb> roaksoax, Right, as the blog said the address comes from the smbios
[13:18] <roaksoax> smb: alright then. I'll try to update and see my findings. Thanks for the help :)
[13:19] <smb> roaksoax, NP, one issue gone is a good issue... :)
[13:19] <roaksoax> indeed :)
[14:04] <RoyK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1134307/ <-- anyone that can help me out with an iSCSI problem? Trying with software initiator now, after a rather large amount of problems with Qlogic HBA on Ubuntu, but still no luck - I can connect to the same target from a Centos 5.8 machine without problems
[14:15] <thisismyname> hiu there, qestion: is it possible to assign multiple ethernet interfaces with vmbuilder? Or whats best practise for handling this?
[14:36] <RoyK> !bug 1034015
[14:43] <jamespage> zul: did bug 1025203 ever make it into the archive?
[14:43] <zul> jamespage: not yet.
[14:43] <jamespage> zul, are you in it? i.e. can I assign you the bug?
[14:44] <jamespage> on it rather....
[14:44] <zul> jamespage, sure
[14:44] <jamespage> zul, ta
[14:56] <AdvoWork> How can I change a folder with permissions drwxrwsrwx to: drwxrwxrwx ?
[14:58] <cwesterfield> Is there a webserver app or plugin that would allow you to traverse folders on a server and then download entire folders? (maybe auto zip them)
[15:07] <ahs3> hallyn: dude.  netcf got uploaded last night.  go nuts :).
[15:08] <hallyn> ahs3: saw that around midnight - thanks!
[15:15] <jamespage> roaksoax, sorry - just realised that we agreed you would add that note to cobbler about unauth'ed calls
[15:15] <jamespage> and I closed out your bug
[15:15]  * jamespage reprimands himself for trying to be to tidy....
[15:15] <roaksoax> JoeVLcek: no worries :)
[15:16] <roaksoax> jamespage: i had forgettong it so closing it reminded me
[15:16] <jamespage> roaksoax, lol
[15:16] <jamespage> zul, I just merges openvswitch from Debian unstable as requested in MIR - lots of fixes
[15:16] <jamespage> are we using it in the test lab for openstack yet?
[15:17] <zul> jamespage, cool not yet
[15:17] <zul> jamespage: im thinking we need juju charms for quantum first
[15:17] <zul> jamespage: i would bug adam_g about it
[15:18] <jamespage> zul, sure - I'll bug adam_g then :-)
[15:18] <jamespage> I think it might co-exist with the nova-compute charm
[15:18] <jamespage> but not sure...
[15:25] <JoeVLcek> roaksoax: did you mean jamespage: no worries ;)
[15:26] <roaksoax> JoeVLcek: yeah, sorry :)
[15:27] <JoeVLcek> roaksoax: no worries ;)
[15:27] <JoeVLcek> roaksoax: just wanted to make sure you didn't need me to pay attention to something. ;) back to sleep I go. ;)
[15:31] <hallyn> ahs3: say, looking at the debian netcf-0.2.0, it seems you re-added some old patches from 0.1.9?  (or some tool did)
[15:32] <hallyn> they're not applied, but they're in debian/patches/
[15:34] <ahs3> hallyn: hrm.  probably did not specifically remove them from my branch; i shouldn't do these late at night :(....
[15:37] <hallyn> ahs3: is updating the Standards-Version to 3.9.3. the only change you purposely made?
[15:37] <ahs3> hallyn: yup
[15:37] <hallyn> cool, thanks.  (then i can upload to q)
[15:37] <ahs3> and only 'cause lintian whined about it
[15:37] <hallyn> i'm always afraid of changing those bc i'm afraid i may be lying that i'm compatible with the new version :)
[15:38] <ahs3> heh
[16:03] <joe_Vitel> Does anyone have any experience setting up Ubuntu with MAAS? I'm having some weird time issues when trying to add nodes.
[16:13] <hallyn> roaksoax: would you mind terribly pushing http://people.canonical.com/~serge/netcf6/netcf_0.2.0-1ubuntu1.dsc ?  I don't seem to have rights
[16:18] <roaksoax> hallyn: sure
[16:20] <rbasak> jamespage: why doesn't bug 850960 appear on your SRU list? What criteria is it missing?
[16:21] <jamespage> rbasak, server team might not be subscribed to that package
[16:21] <rbasak> Ah, I see.
[16:21] <rbasak> Thanks
[16:25] <roaksoax> hallyn: is this a sync+applying changes? cause all the previous ubuntu changelog is gone
[16:26] <hallyn> roaksoax: yes, a sync with a single change, to switch the libnl desp from libnl1 to libnl3
[16:26] <hallyn> no ubuntu changes remain
[16:26] <roaksoax> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1134531/
[16:26] <roaksoax> hallyn: that's how changelogs should probably look like in this kind of case
[16:29] <roaksoax> hallyn: I'll make that change and upload
[16:39] <hallyn> roaksoax: oh right, sync not merge.  thx
[16:40] <roaksoax> hallyn: :) done!
[16:40] <hallyn> smb: so bug 1031090, is there any reason not to update precise kernel to set the bit?
[16:40] <jimbaker> the tricks of memory, that would be the sun version of jdk 7 i was remembering, https://blogs.oracle.com/jtc/entry/comparing_jvms_on_arm_linux
[16:41] <smb> hallyn, Mostly that I have not gotten a feedback on the final version of that. And the worry to break anything in case of setting the flag but not adding real support.
[16:42] <smb> hallyn, I did some tests and I think it is ok now, but getting it into a precise update with cutoff on this thursday is rather hard now.
[16:43] <hallyn> yeah
[16:43] <smb> There is no upload planned beside of what was in verification testing.
[16:43] <hallyn> well i guess a later kernel update is fine, this won't break server installs for ppl right?
[16:43] <hallyn> so perhaps 12.04.1 isn't so important
[16:43] <smb> No this is a sole problem of a nested installation
[16:44] <hallyn> and hopefully after instll, ppl will first update before setting up vms
[16:44] <smb> hallyn, Yo won't have problems running a first level vm
[16:44] <zaitzev> hi all
[16:44] <smb> Just to create another vm in your first vm is broken
[16:45] <joe_Vitel> Can anyone figure why I would be getting the (Apache) error: "[Tue Aug 07 10:42:36 2012] [error] Expired timestamp: given<PHONE_NUMBER> and now<PHONE_NUMBER> has a greater difference than threshold 300"? NTP is running and the hardware clock is correct. I don't know where to look next...
[16:45] <hallyn> smb: right, but so if someone installs from 12.04.1 cd and immediately tries to run a guest they'll fail to run kvm in guest.  not so bad.
[16:45] <hallyn> smb: thanks
[16:45] <zaitzev> perhaps one of you can help me out a little here? I'm looking for a way to add a user to my server that has ftp read/write access to another users' home directory
[16:46] <hallyn> ok, resetting networking for tftp, hopefully i'm back in a min
[16:47] <smb> hallyn, Right, yeah and also they can do precise-precise but not precise-quantal (quantal-quantal would work as well)
[16:47] <hallyn> and worst case they just don't get nested acceleration
[16:47] <hallyn> so i'll go focus onanother qemu bug :)
[16:47] <smb> hallyn, :)
[16:51] <joe_Vitel> zaitzev: you could add the new user to the existing user's group and grant that group read/write access. Don't know if that is the best solution, but it's a solution
[16:52] <zaitzev> joe_Vitel: Does the new user have to have a home directory on its own or something?
[16:53] <joe_Vitel> I wouldn't think, though usually adding a new user will create a home for them
[16:53] <zaitzev> I tried adduser with no home dir, and I think I did add him to the group of the first user
[16:53] <zaitzev> but I couldn't do much..
[16:54] <joe_Vitel> zaitzev: Of course, I'm not a big FTP person. I don't know if your FTP users are the same as system users
[16:54] <zaitzev> truth be told, I only have myself and a close friend using this server
[16:55] <zaitzev> however, I'm running a Counter-Strike server that my brother plays on a lot, and he wants to be able to edit, configure and mess around with the CS:S server files
[16:56] <zaitzev> but I do not want to give him the user/pass to the account that runs the server
[16:57] <zaitzev> and, I'm not very familiar with the whole user/group system..
[16:59] <joe_Vitel> zaitzev: I would suggest creating a system user account, grant him permissions to modify the folders/files and then hand him the IP to SSH to, no FTP required
[17:08] <zaitzev> joe_Vitel: what would the parameters be? Just add a normal user, and add him to the group the first user is in?
[17:18] <joe_Vitel> zaitzev: Yes. The command you'll use is chmod to modify the permissions for the folder. I don't know the permissions off the top of my head, but Google should be able to help you.
[17:19] <zaitzev> joe_Vitel: so far what I did was create the new user, added to the group of the first user (the default usergroup). However the new user cannot do anything in the directory.
[17:20] <zaitzev> I would've thought it worked, but no
[17:21] <joe_Vitel> ls -lh will show you the permissions (probably something along the lines of drwxr-xr-x). r means read, w means write, x means execute
[17:21] <hallyn> stgraber: hey, i wouldn't do it today, but pls let me know if you have any objections to my putting seccomp into quantal's lxc (using my patch from two weeks ago)
[17:21] <zaitzev> joe_Vitel: Yeah I know, and the folder containing the gameserver has these permissions: drwxrwxr-x
[17:22] <zaitzev> so the new user SHOULD be able to do whatever within that folder, but that doesn't work
[17:22] <joe_Vitel> for user/group your username? and you're sure new user is in group you username?
[17:23] <stgraber> hallyn: no objection
[17:23] <zaitzev> oh wait, never mind, I was in the user home directory which apparently doesn't allow the new user to do anything
[17:23] <zaitzev> my bad :)
[17:24] <zaitzev> next step would be to symlink that folder into the new users home dir
[17:24] <zaitzev> since the ftp server is jailed to the user homedir, a symlink is needed.
[17:25] <zaitzev> but when I make one it doesn't appear in the ftp :P
[17:25] <joe_Vitel> There is probably a config option somewhere in your ftp server to follow symlinks
[17:26] <zaitzev> I don't remember how it was done..I have a symlink on MY user in MY homedir, showing up in the ftp
[17:27] <zaitzev> I thought it was ln -s target linkname
[17:28] <plm> people, how I know when the ubunut was installed? are there a file where are indicate this, like as /etc/lsb-release?
[17:29] <hallyn> stgraber: great
[17:30] <plm> anyone?
[17:31] <zaitzev> plm: try this:
[17:31] <zaitzev> ls -al /var/log/installer/syslog
[17:31] <zaitzev> the date of the file should reflect the date the system was installed
[17:35] <plm> zaitzev: thanks
[17:42] <zaitzev> maybe I should use mount instead of symlink
[18:05] <joe_Vitel> Can anyone make sense of the apache error "Expired timestamp: given<PHONE_NUMBER> and now<PHONE_NUMBER> has a greater difference than threshold 300" when trying to add a node to Ubuntu MAAS? ntp is running and the hardware clock is correct.
[18:09] <rbasak> joe_Vitel: it looks like one of the clocks is off by six hours. Do you have the hardware clock set to UTC?
[18:10] <joe_Vitel> rbasak: Yes, and changing it doesn't seem to make a difference. It's always roughly 21k seconds difference
[18:10] <rbasak> joe_Vitel: what about the maas server?
[18:10] <rbasak> joe_Vitel: what time zone are you in?
[18:10] <joe_Vitel> America/Denver
[18:10] <joe_Vitel> MST, UTC - 7 I believe
[18:11] <rbasak> it does sound suspiciously like a local time / UTC problem
[18:11] <joe_Vitel> My thoughts as well, but I can't seem to narrow down where what is getting the wrong time zone
[18:11] <rbasak> check "date --utc" on the maas server
[18:11] <joe_Vitel> Tue Aug  7 18:11:42 UTC 2012
[18:12] <joe_Vitel> +6 hours from local time
[18:12] <rbasak> I'm stumped then, sorry. Try #maas
[18:13] <joe_Vitel> Yeah, kind of where I'm sitting too. It SHOULD work, but... doesn't... Thanks for the help though.
[18:13] <rbasak> Perhaps manually skew the hardware clock by six hours?
[18:13] <joe_Vitel> Yeah, was thinking of giving that a try.
[18:16] <shiman6> on ubuntu server 12.04 (x64), eth0 stops transmitting during a multicast session. I have to restart the server to use eth0 again
[18:21] <shiman6> wow, this chat is dead
[18:31] <shiman6> Anybody active?
[18:31] <Pici> Yes, but I don't know the answer to your question.
[18:32] <shiman6> Okay. Is there any known issues regarding clonezilla?
[18:32] <shiman6> the clonezilla channel is completely empty, so i have to ask here
[18:42] <druonysus> I am trying to set up nagiosgrapher on ubuntu 12.04 in aws. does the nagiosgrapher package do any basic configuration of nagiosgrapher?
[18:42] <druonysus> I see there is a template directory but nothing is in it
[18:50] <SpamapS> http://grza.net/GIS/Admiral%20Ackbar%20SNMP%20Notifications.jpg
[18:58] <soren> SpamapS: SNMP does seem rather alien.
[18:59] <SpamapS> yes, if aliens are lax about security and like multiple unnecessary layers of indirection :)
[19:05] <soren> SpamapS: They love that stuff.
[19:07] <SpamapS> soren: really if you think about it long enough that *totally* explains the turning-cows-inside-out obsession
[19:15] <adam_g> zul: why'd you skip those failing keystone tests? what was causing the failure? was just about to lookat it
[19:15] <zul> adam_g: i think it was do to keystone running in a chroot, if you want to take a crack at them without skipping them be my guyest
[19:16] <zul> people still use net-snmp? how quaint
[19:20] <adam_g> hmm
[19:35] <hallyn> zul: any opinion on bug 1030612 ?  moving those to recommends will still get them auto-installed unless user shouts, so maybe it's fine?
[19:35] <zul> hallyn: i dont have a problem with dnsmasq but libavhi?
[19:37] <hallyn> zul: i don't even know what libvirt uses that for
[19:38] <zul> hallyn: neither do i
[19:38] <zul> hallyn, must be for some name discovery destopy stuff..
[19:38] <zul> smoser: do you have any problems with above? ^^^
[19:39] <smoser> well, the bug description says they're undesirable.
[19:39] <smoser> so i have a feeling i dont want them
[19:39] <smoser> :)
[19:39] <resno> question for you folks. if you had a small businness idea, would you start in a vps or host from home?
[19:40] <smoser> resno, vps.
[19:40] <smoser> (or ec2)
[19:40] <smoser> hallyn, if it functions with those not isntalled, i think i see no objection.
[19:40] <resno> just to much hassle to host at home or not cost effective? smoser
[19:40] <resno> or is speed the issue?
[19:41] <hallyn> smoser: well, depends on what 'functions' means.  virbr0 won't work (no dnsmasq-base)
[19:41] <hallyn> so it'll end up with a different setup with and without those
[19:41] <ScottK> resno: Reliablity.
[19:41] <ScottK> Unless you have redundant power and network connections to your home.
[19:42] <smoser> resno, what ScottK said mostly.
[19:42] <smoser> hallyn, is virbr0 broken?
[19:42] <smoser> or just no dnsmasq on it
[19:43] <hallyn> smoser: actually not sure - i suspect libvirt might fail to start (with virbr0 set to autostart) bc of it
[19:43] <hallyn> anyway if you didn' twant dnsmasq-base, you better not want virbr0
[19:44] <hallyn> feh, i'll wait a bit on that one.  clearly i need to experiment.  thanks.
[19:45] <hallyn> stgraber: do you have any lxc precise-proposed changes pending?
[19:46] <stgraber> hallyn: nope
[19:46] <stgraber> hallyn: at this point it's best to stack without uploading as precise is frozen for the point release
[19:47] <stgraber> hallyn: unless it's a critical issue that should be fixed for the point release
[19:47] <hallyn> stgraber: suggestsions where to stack?
[19:47] <hallyn> nah, ,not critical, just a fix for the 'stop lxc-net breaks if LXC_USE_BRIDGE=false' bug
[19:47] <hallyn> in fact i'll just put it off until next week
[19:48] <stgraber> hallyn: either branch ubuntu:precise-proposed/lxc assuming it's valid and up to date or just attach some good old debdiffs to the bugs
[19:48] <hallyn> i didn't think precise-proposed had a bzr tree. cool.
[20:01] <ahs3> hallyn: just to make sure...there should be _no_ patches in netcf now, correct?
[20:03] <hallyn> ahs3: incorrect.  there should be 3
[20:03] <hallyn> fixpathsetp, add-tests-debian, and add-ncftool-manpage
[20:04] <ahs3> hallyn: oic.  yup.  got it.
[20:04] <hallyn> (all three forwarded upstream, should be droppec by 2.0.1 hopefully)
[20:06] <ahs3> k.  i'm going to fix that up and re-upload
[20:06] <hallyn> is that definately worth it?
[20:07] <ahs3> dunno.  i'd rather have it done right
[20:07] <hallyn> i guess it coudl be confusing not to.
[20:07] <hallyn> ok
[20:07]  * ahs3 is working on it now
[20:32] <arrrghhh> hello.  is it possible to run ubuntu server behind a proxy server?
[20:33] <rbasak> Yes.
[20:33] <arrrghhh> i added my proxy info when i installed, and it seemed to work.  but now i apt-get update and it does not.
[20:33] <jcastro> anyone know if hp cloud's storage thing provides simple http serving like s3/gcs do?
[20:33] <arrrghhh> i googled it, and everyone tells me to add some likes to /etc/bash.bashrc.  but i don't see anything there from the installer - where does the installer put the proxy info?
[20:36] <rbasak> Take a look around /etc/apt. There should be something setting Acquire::http::Proxy in there. If there's not, you need to add it. See the apt.conf manpage for details.
[20:36] <arrrghhh> ok thx
[20:37] <jcastro> ah, it seems HP storage does indeed do simple http serving
[20:38] <arrrghhh> rbasak, /etc/apt/apt.conf.... now why isn't it working is the question :P.  what is the 'proper' way to add a proxy globally to the system?
[20:39] <rbasak> On server, the best you can do is add set http_proxy in /etc/environment as far as I'm aware. But that doesn't necessarily cover everything
[20:39] <arrrghhh> yea i'm getting 407 proxy auth required.  i placed a username/password in there, but it doesn't seem tow ork.
[20:39] <arrrghhh> work*
[20:39] <arrrghhh> hrm.
[20:42] <rbasak> Not sure about proxy auth
[20:42] <rbasak> (for apt)
[20:43] <arrrghhh> i managed to get this working on ubuntu desktop
[20:44] <arrrghhh> i was "scared" to install server for this reason.  i figured since i got it working on desktop, i can get it working on server.
[20:44] <arrrghhh> but my solution isn't so elegant.  whenever apt would give me an error on the desktop version about proxy auth, i would fire up FF and it would ask me to auth.  then apt-get would work, for a period of time.
[20:44] <haxxpop> Where must I get sandbox to run untrusted app?
[20:45] <SpamapS> haxxpop: safest bet is true virtualization (kvm, xen, etc)
[20:45] <rbasak> sounds like your proxy is being generous
[20:45] <rbasak> Maybe you could wget to do something similar?
[20:46] <rbasak> Might be better to tunnel out, run a mirror, or configure your proxy to allow your server though
[20:46] <arrrghhh> rbasak, i'd like to get this working with the proxy, if possible.
[20:46] <arrrghhh> otherwise i'll just have to allow net access for a short period, then close it down.  i'd rather not have to go that route.
[20:47] <rbasak> looks like it apt does support proxy auth
[20:47] <rbasak> eg. http://www.onlinehowto.net/apt-get-via-authentication-proxy/1388
[20:47] <haxxpop> SpamapS: I don't want to use Virtual Machine because I just want to run only one app.
[20:48] <arrrghhh> haxxpop, but that ENSURES a good sandbox environment.
[20:49] <haxxpop> arrrghhh: I also want to get output from such app
[20:50] <jpds> haxxpop: lxc?
[20:50] <arrrghhh> haxxpop, so?
[20:51] <jpds> haxxpop: Otherwise, stick AppArmor on top of the app.
[20:51] <hallyn> arkose is also made for that
[20:51] <hallyn> (sits on top of lxc and apparmor)
[20:52] <arrrghhh> there's gotta be something else to this.  why does the proxy let me authenticate for firefox, but not for apt?  ugh.
[20:52] <haxxpop> jpds: how can I do that
[20:52] <arrrghhh> i don't understand what the difference is.  maybe i don't have an http proxy... i don't put http:// in front for the proxy on my workstation.
[20:53] <arrrghhh> can i use a PAC file?
[20:53] <jpds> haxxpop: cat one of the /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.* files.
[20:56] <jpds> haxxpop: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmor
[20:57] <jpds> arrrghhh: sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::http::Proxy="http://user:password@proxyaddress:port/" ?
[20:57] <arrrghhh> jpds, hrm, let me try.
[20:57] <arrrghhh> i have a feeling it'll give me the same thing.  it's hitting the proxy
[20:57] <arrrghhh> for whatever reason it's not authenticating.
[20:58] <jpds> Check the proxy logs then.
[20:58] <arrrghhh> i don't have access to the proxy server.  oh well.
[20:58] <arrrghhh> so strange that i could get this to work on ubuntu desktop...
[21:00] <arrrghhh> is there another type of proxy server that i'm overlooking?
[21:00] <arrrghhh> i have a PAC file and the server itself...
[21:01] <arrrghhh> http://proxychains.sourceforge.net/ ?
[21:22] <arrrghhh> OK, i have a feeling it's our proxy.
[21:22] <arrrghhh> i ran into a thread where someone has the exact same problem, with the exact same proxy server.  i don't think i can solve it :/
[21:22] <lifeless> squid?
[21:23] <arrrghhh> lifeless, other direction.
[21:23] <arrrghhh> i am running ubuntu-server and i need to go thru a proxy to get to the 'net.
[21:23] <lifeless> arrrghhh: squid can run in both directions, which is why I asked.
[21:23] <lifeless> so saying other direction, doesn't rule anything out.
[21:24] <arrrghhh> oh i apologize.  usually when people mention squid they think i want to setup a proxy server :P
[21:24] <arrrghhh> no it's an ironport proxy server
[21:24] <lifeless> what auth scheme are you using ?
[21:25] <arrrghhh> lifeless, i don't know exactly.  on ubuntu desktop i could run firefox and authenticate.  on ubuntu-server, i can't figure out how to authenticate.
[21:25] <arrrghhh> in firefox, the user/pass window would just pop up.  i put in my username and password, then apt-get would work in the terminal.
[21:25] <arrrghhh> http://openubuntu.com/index.php/topic.1952.30.html
[21:25] <arrrghhh> er that didn't link to the thread, sorry.  1 sec
[21:26] <arrrghhh> http://openubuntu.com/index.php/topic,1952.30.html
[21:26] <arrrghhh> that does ^^
[21:27] <lifeless> arrrghhh: so, if you're using kerberos or ntlm or negotiate with the proxy, apt won't work
[21:28] <arrrghhh> lifeless, but firefox will?
[21:28] <lifeless> as it only knows basic auth
[21:28] <lifeless> right
[21:28] <arrrghhh> poop.  so what can i do?
[21:28] <arrrghhh> isn't there some package i can install to auth to the proxy?  crap, i had a tab open here...
[21:28] <lifeless> reconfigure the ironport to support basic authentication, or configure it to allow access to the ubuntu mirror you are using w/out any authentication.
[21:29] <lifeless> or use another intermediary proxy to do the authentication for you
[21:29] <arrrghhh> hrm
[21:29] <arrrghhh> i can't reconfigure the proxy server, unfortunately.  i don't have access to it.
[21:29] <lifeless> something like http://ntlmaps.sourceforge.net/
[21:29] <lifeless> (caveat: I haven't used that, just found it via a quick google search)
[21:30] <arrrghhh> yea that was it.
[21:30] <lifeless> you can validate that this is the problem by checking a tcpdump of your apt requests
[21:30] <arrrghhh> OK
[21:41] <arrrghhh> lifeless, bleh.  i'm having trouble with ntlmaps, but it still could be me.  can you tell me how to tcpdump apt so i can determine why it's failing?
[21:45] <lifeless> something like
[21:45] <lifeless> sudo tshark -i eth0 -X port 80 or port 8080
[21:45] <lifeless> or whatever port your proxy is on
[21:45] <lifeless> be sure you've configured apt to use the proxy
[21:48] <arrrghhh> hrm
[21:48] <arrrghhh> ok
[21:53] <adam_g> zul: what do we do about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10823/
[22:07] <zul> adam_g: its on my list to update this week
[22:16] <Salman> That ubuntu that help
[22:16] <Salman> Si
[22:17] <Salman> Someany helped me Ubuntu
[22:17] <arrrghhh> Salman, do you have a question?
[22:18] <Salman> arrrghhh: Help me
[22:18] <Salman> arrrghhh: How to unbanned ubuntu
[22:18] <arrrghhh> Salman, ask a question
[22:18] <arrrghhh> uhm
[22:18] <arrrghhh> i assume you mean #ubuntu?
[22:18] <arrrghhh> perhaps you're banned from flooding or something?  i can't unban you.
[22:19] <Salman> Ok :(
[22:26] <zaitzev> when I do mount --bind /some/dir/to/mount /target/dir - how do I unmount it? Is it umount /target/dir ?
[22:26] <zaitzev> I just want to make sure so I don't do something too wrong
[22:27] <arrrghhh> umount /target/dir is correct.
[22:27] <zaitzev> cool
[22:27] <zaitzev> atleast I get it right sometimes. :p
[22:32] <arrrghhh> lol
[22:37] <arrrghhh> lifeless, not sure if you are interested or not but cntlm did the trick.
[22:37] <arrrghhh> not sure why, but i couldn't get the other one to work.  cntlm did a great job tho, works great!!!
[22:38] <lifeless> cool
[22:40] <zaitzev> does usermod -l change the name of the home directory as well as the username itself?
[22:42] <zaitzev> oh nvm, it's done with -d :)
[23:16] <dolv> ubuntu server 12.04 (headless) how to change video mode?
[23:17] <lifeless> if you're headless you have no video.
[23:18] <dolv> i headlees but i need to change video mode for terminal.
[23:19] <dolv> meaning 80x30 GVA and so on
[23:19] <dolv> meaning 80x30 VGA and so on
[23:20]  * zaitzev wonders what uses 80x30
[23:20] <dolv> 80 columns by 30 rows
[23:21] <zaitzev> I know what the numbers imply, but where? Do you mean putty?
[23:22] <zaitzev> because that's the only place I can imagine those numbers being relevant, to its window size.
[23:23] <zaitzev> or am I missing something?
[23:26] <dolv> OK. The problem is as follows. During a boot process on some moment dispay starts wrongly display text. and I can only some how read whean i connect to server remotedly. I need to repare video. may be problem in some drive or something else. how to verify and cure&
[23:28] <dolv> I see that some symbols are displayed but they can't be read. It is smashed
[23:29] <dolv> video is on D815 intel integrated cheapset
[23:33] <dolv> zaitzev: do you spaek russian or ukraininan&
[23:36] <dolv> any ideas, guys?
[23:37] <zaitzev> oh, hey
[23:37] <zaitzev> no sorry
[23:38] <zaitzev> someone else might tho, if you just hang around here for a while.
[23:40] <dolv> i think it is vga/driver problems. Can someone consult, please?


[02:23] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:05] <marcoagpinto> morning!
[07:37] <ducasse> good morning
[08:29] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> a non repsonded question from earlier for those who want;
 Hi!  Even if a user have home directory encrypted with  (ecryptfs)?
[10:58] <EriC^^> good morning all
[21:55] <jeremy31> Its morning already, I don't remember sleeping?


[04:34] <cyberanger> meetingology: sweet
[04:34] <meetingology> cyberanger: Error: "sweet" is not a valid command.


[00:01] <wgrant> StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/demolish-bvp/+merge/128610
[00:04] <StevenK> wgrant: lib/lp/code/browser/tests/test_branch.py the lp.code.enums import should be shrunk
[00:04] <wgrant> Ah, and there were two ordering issues that appear to not have been my fault
[00:05] <wgrant> But those were the only format-imports complaints
[00:05] <wgrant> And they are now fixed
[00:06] <StevenK> wgrant: I don't think you need the _is_private_team helper
[00:06] <StevenK> People are implicity public, so if self.private: should be fine
[00:07] <wgrant> We usually check both
[00:10] <StevenK> wgrant: Looks great.
[00:14] <wgrant> Thanks
[04:48] <wgrant> Oh good
[04:49] <wgrant> My new terrible version of retry-depwait is 30% faster than the old one
[04:49] <wgrant> Despite my version considering several times more builds than it needs
[04:49] <StevenK> How is still terrible?
[04:49] <wgrant> It does just about no filtering in the core looptuner query
[04:50] <wgrant> So it doesn't exclude obsolete series etc. until inside the main loop
[04:50] <StevenK> Hah
[04:50] <StevenK> That should be easy to be fix
[04:50] <StevenK> But this is Soyuz
[04:57] <bigjools> that old code is older than wgrant
[04:58] <StevenK> Just about
[04:58] <StevenK> wallyworld__, wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/sanity-check-bugwatch-bug-id/+merge/128625
[05:41] <wallyworld__> StevenK: can has comment inthe test as to what consistutes a valid/invalid bug number?
[05:42] <wallyworld__> maybe it's clear, but not from just looking at the diff
[05:42] <wallyworld__> s/bug number/bug url perhaps
[05:44] <StevenK> wallyworld__: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1268760/
[05:45] <wallyworld__> cool. thanks
[05:45] <wallyworld__> r=me
[05:45] <StevenK> wallyworld__: Thanks
[05:45] <wallyworld__> np
[05:46] <StevenK> wallyworld__: I was expecting a query about the usage of re.sub, TBH :-)
[05:46] <wallyworld__> why? seems ok to me
[05:49] <StevenK> wallyworld__: "Why are you doing it that way, that's terrible" etc :-)
[05:49] <wallyworld__> well, it's concise and it works, so meh
[05:49] <wallyworld__> and there's a comment in the test
[07:47] <adeuring> good morning
[08:48] <wgrant> Test results: demolish-bvp => devel: SUCCESS
[08:48] <wgrant> yay
[08:51] <StevenK> After how many hours?
[08:52] <wgrant> This was the third run today
[08:52] <wgrant> Added sampledata... broke tests that depended on IDs of new stuff
[08:53] <StevenK> Hah
[08:53] <StevenK> I just merged devel into mine, that was horrible
[10:13] <dpm> hi all, who can edit the VCS source for vcs-imports? I was looking at why translations weren't being imported from upstream's e-d-s and it seems it's because the VCS import is still set to SVN instead of git - could someone help me with editing the upstream source branch on https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/evolution-data-server/trunk ?
[10:17] <maxb> dpm: Members of ~vcs-imports - what would you like changed?
[10:17] <wgrant> dpm: You'll need to create a new import if the VCS has changed
[10:18] <maxb> Indeed - shall I rename the old one out of the way?
[10:19] <dpm> maxb, if you could do that, that'd be great, thanks!
[10:20] <maxb> Renamed to old-svn-trunk and set to 'Merged' status so that it doesn't show up in the default branch listings
[10:20] <maxb> Go ahead and create a new import
[10:24] <dpm> maxb, hm, how do I actually create a new import (I'm not a member of ~vcs-imports)?
[10:25] <cjwatson> dpm: https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImports
[10:26] <dpm> thanks cjwatson
[10:26] <maxb> https://code.launchpad.net/evolution-data-server , "Import a branch"
[10:30] <maxb> dpm: Under the new system of vcs import creation, the branch owner will be you or a team you are a member of if you select it - if you want the new import back at lp:~vcs-imports/evolution-data-server/trunk for consistency, let me know when you've created it and I'll move it over.
[10:34] <dpm> maxb, https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/evolution-data-server/trunk - if you could move it over to ~vcs-imports, that'd be great
[10:35] <maxb> done
[10:39] <dpm> thanks maxb
[11:53] <cjwatson> Is there any pattern in Launchpad for a Job type that allows newly-created jobs to preempt existing ones in the middle of a long run of many jobs?
[11:54] <cjwatson> The usual iterReady implementations seem to compute the whole list of ready jobs up-front, which won't allow preemption.
[11:55] <cjwatson> I could turn the relevant iterReady implementation into a generator and have it suck jobs out of the DB in batches or something, but it seems a bit ad-hoc and I was wondering if there was anything pre-existing for this
[11:58] <wgrant> cjwatson: I know of nothing like that already
[12:03] <cjwatson> wgrant: OK, thanks :-/
[12:04] <cjwatson> Would it be ridiculously OTT to glue in a looptuner?
[12:05] <wgrant> I don't think a looptuner's too useful or feasible there
[12:06] <cjwatson> Why infeasible?
[12:06] <cjwatson> Doesn't really know the operation times, I suppose
[12:06] <wgrant> Right, and particularly with rabbitmq, it's reasonably important that if a job gets aborted then only that job gets aborted
[12:06] <wgrant> What benefit would a looptuner provide?
[12:06] <cjwatson> Not having to pick a hardcoded chunk size
[12:08] <wgrant> The operations will frequently fail. I'm not sure they can be sensibly batched like that.
[12:08] <cjwatson> They're already batched ...
[12:08] <cjwatson> process-job-source (eventually) calls iterReady, gets a list of however many ready jobs there are back
[12:09] <cjwatson> All at once
[12:09] <cjwatson> So, OK, not so much batched as one giant batch
[12:10] <cjwatson> But failure is handled at the level of individual jobs anyway
[12:10] <cjwatson> It doesn't propagate out to the level of whatever calls iterReady
[12:11] <wgrant> Right, it doesn'
[12:11] <wgrant> t chunk AFAIK
[12:11] <wgrant> So no point to a looptuner
[12:11] <wgrant> We usually use a looptuner to get small transaction lengths without committing 1000x more often than necessary
[12:12] <cjwatson> It doesn't chunk at the moment, but in order to allow preemption in the middle of a few thousand jobs that arrived all at once, it needs to
[12:13] <cjwatson> Or at least I don't see how to do that otherwise
[12:18] <wgrant> Is there likely to be a significant performance issue if you were to simply query for the head of the queue each time a job was needed?
[12:18] <wgrant> I'm not sure how terrible these queries tend to be
[12:27] <cjwatson> wgrant: Not too sure how I would tell.  All I can divine from logs is that it's usually sub-second
[13:19] <tumbleweed> frankban: care for an easy one? https://code.launchpad.net/~stefanor/launchpad/retry-cancelled-build/+merge/128683
[13:20] <frankban> tumbleweed: sure
[14:03] <tumbleweed> frankban: thanks. Would you mind landing it for me?
[14:06] <frankban> tumbleweed: yes, in a minute
[14:24] <frankban> tumbleweed: done
[14:25] <tumbleweed> frankban: thanks again
[17:17] <sinzui> jcsackett, what bug are you looking at now?
[17:18] <jcsackett> sinzui: i'm exploring bug 994561 and bug 1007124 as they seem related. was reading through the code and going to ping you for thoughts in a few.
[17:18] <_mup_> Bug #994561: IndexError: string index out of range <dkim> <email> <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/994561 >
[17:18] <_mup_> Bug #1007124: Incorrect padding <dkim> <email> <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1007124 >
[17:18] <jcsackett> happy to chat now though if you're free.
[17:19] <sinzui> okay
[19:39] <tumbleweed> to QA bug 1016337, I'd need a working PPA builder on a staging environment. Should I just not bother to QA it?
[19:39] <abentley> rick_h_: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/private-product-listings/+merge/128800 ?
[19:43] <rick_h_> abentley: sure thing
[19:44] <rick_h_> abentley: are the conflicts listed anything to worry about?
[19:45] <abentley> rick_h_: I don't think so.
[19:48] <abentley> rick_h_: Okay, yeah, there's a problem-- I've modified code that's been deleted, and DB columns I've used have been renamed.
[19:49] <rick_h_> abentley: so _information_type is getting renamed back in my branch I sent to ec2 land this morning
[19:49] <abentley> rick_h_: Okay, this is because of the rollback.
[19:49] <rick_h_> abentley: right
[19:50] <rick_h_> but yea, should we hold on this until abel finishes his update then?
[19:54] <abentley> rick_h_: Yeah.  I'd normally mark his branch as a prerequisite, but it's not clear what his work-in-progress branch is.
[19:55] <rick_h_> abentley: ok, we'll catch up in the morning and I can look it over then.
[21:37]  * StevenK stabs OOPS pruning.
[21:37] <StevenK> Clearly, I need to take a copy of the OOPS file to have any hope of reading them after linking them to a bug.
[21:38] <lifeless> StevenK: recent or old ?
[21:38] <StevenK> lifeless: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/956339 comment 1
[21:38] <_mup_> Bug #956339:   IntegrityError: new row for relation "codeimport" violates check constraint "valid_vcs_details"  <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/956339 >
[21:38] <lifeless> StevenK: so old
[21:41] <StevenK> lifeless: Given neem has OOPSes back to 2012-06-12, I don't buy it.
[21:42] <lifeless> StevenK: we had that bug which wgrant fixed recently
[21:43] <lifeless> StevenK: where we were only keeping references made w/in the first 24 hours
[21:44] <StevenK> Mmmm, I've been trying to recall how long the fix has been on neem.
[21:45] <wgrant> I think there may be another pruning bug
[21:45] <wgrant> But it's not quite so bad, I don't think
[21:45] <wgrant> And I don't know what it is yet
[21:46] <wgrant> StevenK: When you run into a case from the last month or so, let me know and I will fix it.
[21:46] <StevenK> wgrant: Does the 24th of November count? :-)
[21:46] <StevenK> Er, September
[21:46] <wgrant> Yes
[21:47] <StevenK> wgrant: bug 956339 comment 1
[21:47] <_mup_> Bug #956339:   IntegrityError: new row for relation "codeimport" violates check constraint "valid_vcs_details"  <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/956339 >
[21:47] <wgrant> Thanks.
[21:48] <lifeless> did we have it deployed then? I thought it was a couple days later ;)
[21:49] <wgrant> Oh
[21:49] <wgrant> It was Sep 24 itself
[21:49] <wgrant> Interesting timing :)
[21:50] <StevenK> Yeah, great. It's pruned the one OOPS again.
[21:50] <wgrant> Well, should be pretty easy to work out
[21:50] <wgrant> Find things that create codeimports
[21:51] <wgrant> Look at DB constraint
[21:51] <wgrant> See how those codepaths could violate the DB constraint
[21:51] <StevenK> I did, on the day I linked that OOPS.
[21:51] <StevenK> It looked pretty sane to me.
[22:00] <wgrant> StevenK: It may be useful to note that the most recent OOPS was not in fact from +new-import, but from +setbranch
[22:04] <wallyworld_> sinzui: StevenK: wgrant: jcsackett: mumble keeps hanging for me again, will keep trying
[23:47] <StevenK> No OOPS mentioning ArchiveSubscriptionError either :-(
[23:53] <StevenK> wgrant: So I think what is probably happening is the valid_absolute_url call in the CHECK CONSTRAINT is failing, but I have no proof


[01:47] <IlliteratePhilos> hey anybody up for helping a noob learn how to set up a server to host a website I want to make from home?
[01:47] <IlliteratePhilos> I really don't know where to start
[06:29] <FilthyMacNasty> hilo ubuntu peeples
[07:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:29] <FilthyMacNasty> guten tag lordievader
[07:30] <lordievader> Hey FilthyMacNasty, how are you?
[07:30] <FilthyMacNasty> having a bad computer day
[07:30] <lordievader> Do such things exist?
[07:31] <FilthyMacNasty> yes, I had the sewer manager touch today
[07:32] <FilthyMacNasty> turns out my partner downloaded our image of 12.04 server from a torrent, the entire sources list said trukty not trusty
[07:33] <lordievader> Hehe, that's fun ;)
[07:33] <FilthyMacNasty> 4 installs and 4 epic failures
[07:34] <FilthyMacNasty> so now I'm at the brainbleach
[07:35] <lordievader> FilthyMacNasty: Download an image from Ubuntu itself.
[07:35] <sarnold_> .. or at least check the signatures :)
[07:36] <FilthyMacNasty> like I said, my partner did it while I was onsite
[07:37] <FilthyMacNasty> he's in a roll of carpet with some quicklime in a hole outside town
[07:37] <lordievader> Was it a reinstall or a new deployment?
[07:37] <sarnold_> poor carpet
[07:37] <FilthyMacNasty> fortunately 2 were experimental 1 was a laptop for a  user and 1 windows box was being contrary
[07:39] <FilthyMacNasty> the windows box has slic 2.1 in the bios, but its hidden by dell and will not authenticate
[07:40] <FilthyMacNasty> so I been playing the "remember hex" dance all day
[07:41] <FilthyMacNasty> turns out its windows 7 pro slic
[08:29] <Yossarianuk> hi - just seen 14.04 has another libssl update -> 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.7 is this just related to the poodle attack or are there other issues fixed also ?
[08:30] <maxb> Perhaps you should read the package changelog?
[08:30] <sarnold_> Yossarianuk: it also has several DoS fixes: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2385-1/
[08:35] <Yossarianuk> sarnold_: thanks
[09:27] <_ruben> what is the "recommended" HA cluster suite these days? all pacemaker/corosync stuff seems to end with howtos for 12.04
[09:45] <jamespage> _ruben, pacemaker/corosync is still good
[09:45] <jamespage> rbasak, re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/websocket-client/+bug/1374335
[09:45] <jamespage> are you going to chase that?
[10:07] <_ruben> jamespage: most howtos mention the cman package, but that's no longer present in trusty. not sure how critical that is tho
[11:04] <roaksoax> /w/win 17
[11:31] <dine909> does /etc/network/interfaces.d/ work yet?
[11:32] <dine909> when i put an interface definition in there it doesnt seem to get picked up
[11:32] <sarnold_> dine909: I think you need the source-directory interfaces.d line from interfaces(5)
[11:39] <ochoroch> lordievader: Hey ... u remember the issue i have? ... it was that misterious SHH login problem ...
[11:40] <ochoroch> lordievader: as mentioned last time i have 3 Servers running on ubuntu 14.04. Only one had this issue. I just installed TYPO3 (cms, php and mysql) on one of the "as working" considered servers and guess what?
[11:41] <ochoroch> next morning that server had the same behavior: No ssh login possible ...
[11:42] <ochoroch> and the same messages in console ...
[11:44] <sarnold_> o_O
[11:44] <sarnold_> what messages i nthe console?
[11:45] <ochoroch> one sec ...
[11:45] <dine9091> thanks sarnold_ did the trick
[11:47] <ochoroch> sarnold_: http://picpaste.com/Bildschirmfoto_2014-10-15_um_08.26.21-QunlBobe.1413359450-tQYnSQ0b.png
[11:50] <ochoroch> sarnold_: all 3 are virtual Maschines running on HyperV ....
[11:50] <sarnold_> dine9091: nice
[11:50] <XpineX> Hi, I have used targetcli on my server to create an iSCSI target. How do I see the clients that are logged in to that target?
[11:51] <sarnold_> ochoroch: interesting. might be worth using sysctl to snyc, umout, reboot, and check the logs for the start of the issue..
[11:55] <ochoroch> sarnold_: a little more verbose please ... :-)
[11:56] <sarnold_> ochoroch: you can use the magic sysrq key to sync disks (sysrq+s), umount filesystems (sysrq+u), and reboot (sysrq+b), it's not a clean shutdown but shouldn't be too horrible
[11:56] <sarnold_> ochoroch: then you can check in /var/log/syslog for hopefully some kind of warning about what locked up
[11:57] <ochoroch> ok ....
[11:58] <cwillu_at_work> magic-sysrq is disabled on new enough ubuntu
[11:58] <cwillu_at_work> which is annoying
[11:58] <sarnold_> argh
[11:58] <sarnold_> I forgot :/
[11:58] <ochoroch> ok ...
[11:59] <cwillu_at_work> not sure who to blame for that
[11:59] <dasjoe> It's disabled? I thouhgt it was masked to 176
[11:59] <dasjoe> What does "cat /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq" return?
[12:01] <cwillu_at_work> disabled enough to be disruptive to me on a daily basis
[12:01] <sarnold_> dasjoe: that's the thing, he can't log in
[12:02] <cwillu_at_work> looks like syn, umount and reboot should work though
[12:02] <dasjoe> cwillu_at_work: sub should still work
[12:02] <cwillu_at_work> yeah, but that's not the only use of sysrq :p
[12:03] <cwillu_at_work> all sorts of fun telling people "hit alt-sysrq-t and pastebin your dmesg" when trying to troubleshoot deadlocks, only to find that sysrq-t doesn't do anything anymore :p
[12:03] <dasjoe> Though probably the most important one ;)
[12:03] <cwillu_at_work> depends on who you're talking to
[12:04] <cwillu_at_work> and I still think the security benefits are questionable
[12:04] <cwillu_at_work> physical access outside a kiosk still lets you do the same things
[12:04] <cwillu_at_work> and kiosks already require many more manual adjustments
[12:16] <tafa2> Can anyone recommend a good SSH app for Mac to organise multiple SSH connections - something a bit more structured than iterm or standard terminal?
[13:11] <lordievader> ochoroch: Err, please jog my memory...
[13:18] <ochoroch> lordievader: sorry for the delay ... you want the full story?
[13:18] <lordievader> ochoroch: Sure, why not ;)
[13:18] <ochoroch> i have 3 Ubuntu VMs running on HyperV gen1. ....
[13:19] <ochoroch> Ubuntu Version is 14.04. It just worked. ...
[13:20] <ochoroch> i had trouble with the disk failing/read-only every now and then ...
[13:21] <ochoroch> i was able to fix this by installing all the required drivers and such ... doing a full fsck in recovery mode seems to fix this.
[13:21] <ochoroch> .. ok... after this i thought "yeah man, i made it" ....
[13:23] <ochoroch> but the day after i got this when i tried to login: http://picpaste.com/Bildschirmfoto_2014-10-15_um_08.26.21-QunlBobe.1413359450-tQYnSQ0b.png
[13:23] <ochoroch> thisw is the current ecisting issue, it occurs after roughly 16 hours .....
[13:23] <ochoroch> i cant login anymore ...
[13:24] <ochoroch> ssh promts for password, but does not do a thing.
[13:24] <lordievader> Ah, right. That screenshot reminds me.
[13:24] <ochoroch> when ic force it to turn on/off again it works ....
[13:25] <lordievader> ochoroch: Is your machine swapping heavily at that time?
[13:26] <ochoroch> no ... its bored ...
[13:26] <lordievader> ochoroch: Appearantly those type of messages are given when it does not respond.
[13:26] <ochoroch> no swap at all ...
[13:26] <lordievader> Heavy io wait?
[13:26] <ochoroch> in addition: coz of the fact the other 2 machines seemed to work well for 2 weeks now i decided to put a website (TYPO3 CMS: php and mysql driven) on one, the same happend the this maschine ...
[13:27] <ochoroch> lordievader: io wait, i'll check my stats ...
[13:27] <sarnold_> hmmmm, I remember seeing some bug with vmware not writing zeros properly...
[13:28] <ochoroch> lordievader: io wait seems normal ...
[13:28] <sarnold_> a -little- iowait is normal, 120 seconds is lunacy :)
[13:28] <sarnold_> here's the bug I was thinking of, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1371591
[13:29] <ochoroch> sarnold_: ok ...
[13:30] <sarnold_> ochoroch: just skim it, see if it looks familiar to you..
[13:30] <ochoroch> sarnold_: yep ...
[13:33] <ochoroch> sarnold_: ok ... i "think" i need to install https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1371591
[13:34] <ochoroch> sorry install these guys; http://people.canonical.com/~arges/lp1371591/
[13:34] <ochoroch> i'll give it a go ....
[13:35] <sarnold_> ochoroch: good luck :)
[13:35] <ochoroch> just made a "snapshot" ....
[13:35] <ochoroch> :-P
[13:36] <ochoroch> but thanks! ...
[13:49] <rbasak> jamespage: re: bug 1374335, not currently. Sorry, I should have made it clear that from the juju-quickstart end, they aren't chasing the release team and are OK with it slipping to V.
[14:02] <NelsonMinar> how do I debug a problem with udev and my ethernet device being named /dev/p4p1 instead of /dev/eth0? /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is being ignored, maybe because I installed udevname?
[14:02] <NelsonMinar> it's a remote server without console access, so getting this wrong is.. awkward. already had to call in the remote admin once.
[14:03] <patdk-wk> heh? it's not something you debug
[14:03] <patdk-wk> that is *working* as designed :)
[14:03] <NelsonMinar> I'm confused as to why it's named /dev/p4p1 when the file in /etc/udev/rules.d says to name it eth0. I think the presence of biosdevname may be causing that, but I'm not sure and am confused by the docs.
[14:05] <patdk-wk> well, uninstall it
[14:05] <patdk-wk> update your initramfs
[14:05] <patdk-wk> and reboot
[14:06] <NelsonMinar> patdk-wk; I'm not in a position to do experiments (no console access). is how biosdevname interacts with device naming documented somewhere you know of?
[14:06] <patdk-wk> in the manual :)
[14:06] <patdk-wk> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/saucy/man1/biosdevname.1.html
[14:07] <patdk-wk> but it's used on startup
[14:07] <NelsonMinar> yes thank you, I've read that a few times. It does not describe how ubuntu's boot process uses it. If you don't know the details on how this stuff works, that's OK, was hoping someone here did.
[14:08] <patdk-wk> uninstall it, update initramfs (or it will still exist)
[14:08] <patdk-wk> and reboot, then it's gone, and not renaming
[14:08] <patdk-wk> the issue is, udev works
[14:08] <patdk-wk> device made, eth0, udev sets it to what it should
[14:08] <patdk-wk> then biosdevname changes it again
[14:10] <NelsonMinar> is the way biosdevname interacts with udev documented somewhere? it's not the man page you linked.
[14:10] <patdk-wk> I don't know that it even interacts
[14:11] <Pici> Theres a mention of a udev rule in the biosdevname package description.
[14:11] <patdk-wk> hmm, don't have biosdevname installed anywhere
[14:11] <NelsonMinar> Pici: thanks! that's helpful. it installs /lib/udev/rules.d/71-biosdevname.rules
[14:12] <patdk-wk> so it's 71
[14:12] <patdk-wk> so change it to be a lower number?
[14:12] <patdk-wk> since the persistant net naming is 70
[14:14] <ochoroch> lordievader: sarnold_: installed kernels and friends as suggested in the ticket. straight away notices ssh login is faster and smoother ....
[14:14] <ochoroch> i gotta wait till monday and report back! ....
[14:15] <ochoroch> lordievader: sarnold_: thanks ! ... really appreciate your help....
[14:19] <NelsonMinar> heh, here's a bug saying the Ubuntu Server guide has not been updated for 14.04, with how ethernet device naming works. https://bugs.launchpad.net/serverguide/+bug/1312785
[14:26] <NelsonMinar> read more; I think installing biosdevname caused my device to be renamed in udev and now the old /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is being ignored. gonna do some more tinkering and then reboot, will update that Ubuntu bug for the record. I think new 14.04 installs may work differently from do-release-upgrade systems.
[14:56] <MasterRoot24> I have `CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/example.com_access.log combined` in an Apache vhost config, however I am only getting the string "combined" logged to the log file on each request. Anyone have any ideas why this would happen?
[14:58] <NelsonMinar> is "combined" defined as a log format? Relevant docs: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_log_config.html#customlog
[14:58] <rbasak> MasterRoot24: have you defined what "combined" means in a LogFormat directive?
[14:58] <rbasak> Yeah, what NelsonMinar said :)
[15:00] <MasterRoot24> rbasak: Possibly not, I'll check!
[15:08] <MasterRoot24> NelsonMinar: rbasak: Thanks guys - turns out someone had commented out the respective LogFormat lines. Uncommenting those lines fixed the problem.
[15:08] <NelsonMinar> \o/ hooray
[15:35] <NelsonMinar> last comment about my udev drama: system rebooted fine. I removed the 70-persistent-net.rules that was being ignored. it appears simply installing biosdevname is enough to cause devices to be renamed next time you boot.
[15:39] <patdk-wk> that was a given :)
[15:40] <NelsonMinar> and yet it's not documented anywhere. I updated the bug.
[17:01] <Guest83311> ciao non vedo un disco SCSI su un server. Ho lanciato il comando parted -l e mi ha restituito questo -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8580059/
[17:02] <lordievader> !it | Guest83311
[18:20] <phillw> Hi, any ubuntu-server admins about? F.Y.I. bug 1380774 has a fix, but note 20141017 Ubuntu Server does NOT have the right version of apt. A release manager needs to check that apt is version 1.09-2ubuntu2 and then ask for a respin.
[21:01]  * donspaulding prepares to quote himself from the main #ubuntu channel
[21:01] <donspaulding> Hi there, I'm using n2n to setup multiple VPN interfaces on a single host.  I would like to use avahi/mDNS to broadcast a different hostname tied to a different IP address on each device.
[21:01] <donspaulding> For example, if I have a 'prodvpn0' interface and a 'testvpn0' interface, each with their own IP (assigned by avahi-autoipd), how can I have avahi-daemon broadcast the mDNS hostname as mybox.testvpn.local on the testvpn0 interface and mybox.prodvpn.local on the prodvpn0 interface?
[21:01] <donspaulding> I tried creating individual upstart scripts pointing to different avahi-daemon.conf files, but avahi-daemon refuses to start when it detects a running daemon.
[21:25] <semiosis> donspaulding: are you using an 'instance' stanza in your upstart jobs?  http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#instance
[21:26] <semiosis> donspaulding: one upstart job, using an env var for the config file & the instance line
[21:26] <semiosis> might do the trick
[21:26] <semiosis> if it's just an upstart issue
[21:26] <semiosis> sounds like it's not though
[21:30] <donspaulding> semiosis: I hadn't seen instance before, thanks for pointing that out.
[21:31] <donspaulding> semiosis: but your guess is correct, it's not an upstart thing.  In this case, the avahi-daemon process is looking around for other running processes after upstart spawns it, but before it begins functioning.  If it finds another avahi-daemon process, it bails out.


[04:31] <dad98253> Is this the correct place to ask a question about re-compiling the unity desktop on ubuntu?
[05:49] <hikiko> Hello
[05:56] <didrocks> good morning
[07:13] <pitti> Bonjour tout le monde !
[07:16] <didrocks> bonjour pitti !
[07:16] <didrocks> comment ça va ? :)
[07:16] <pitti> Laney: FYI, the repeated "restart all workers and 5 of them die of quota issue" is due to the undeletable instances in bos01 (you see the ~ 100 h old instances in cron mail), RT has been pending since Friday to clean them up
[07:17] <pitti> but it's been remarkably quiet over night otherwise
[07:42] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:42] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[07:42] <pitti> ça va seb128 !
[07:42] <seb128> oui ! et toi ?
[07:42] <pitti> je vais très bien, merci !
[07:43] <seb128> j'ai joué au padel et au tennis hier, c'était bien
[07:43] <didrocks> bonjour seb128!
[07:43] <seb128> lut didrocks :-)
[07:43] <pitti> seb128: "padel" n'est pas dans mon dictionaire..
[07:44] <pitti> seb128: c'est similaire à squash et tennis ?
[07:44] <seb128> pitti, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padel_%28sport%29
[07:44] <seb128> pitti, c'est un nouveau sport, oui un peu entre le squash et le tennis
[08:12] <larsu> yawn
[08:12] <larsu> good morning everyone!
[08:14] <seb128> hey larsu! how are you?
[08:14] <larsu> tired
[08:15] <larsu> but good otherwise, thanks! And you?
[08:15] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[08:15] <seb128> you didn't sleep well?
[08:16] <didrocks> good morning larsu!
[08:17] <pitti> hey larsu!
[08:17]  * pitti hands larsu a nice cup of tea
[08:19] <larsu> morning didrocks and pitti
[08:19] <larsu> and thanks :) (I just made one in fact)
[08:19] <larsu> seb128: ya, woke up a lot. But nothing bad
[08:20] <larsu> nothing that a tea cannot fix!
[08:20] <seb128> good :-)
[08:36] <seb128> happyaron, hey, you said you would look at https://code.launchpad.net/~brunonova/ubuntu/trusty/ibus/lp1240198_2/+merge/278226 right?
[08:56] <willcooke> morning all
[08:56] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:57] <willcooke> seb128, I have my kids Christmas play at school until ~ 3:15pm.  Could you stand in for me if I don't get back in time for the meeting.    Didn't find out until after I'd sent the email though.
[09:07] <pitti> bonjour Laney !
[09:07] <didrocks> Laney: finally figured out some black magic from yesterday! :)
[09:08] <didrocks> just need monkey updating all plymouth community themes now
[09:08] <didrocks> (but that will be a task for tomorrow, enough typing/updating)
[09:09] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:09] <Laney> how's the lyon visit?
[09:09] <Laney> is your host treating you well?
[09:09] <pitti> Laney: I have to eat snails and raw mussels all day!
[09:10] <didrocks> *facts*
[09:10] <Laney> yum yum
[09:10] <pitti> Laney: nah, it's lovely to hang out with didrocks, I enjoy it
[09:10] <Laney> and they have wine taps instead of water
[09:10] <pitti> just a bit sad that the light festival got cancelled
[09:11] <Laney> yeah, shame
[09:11] <davmor2> Laney: well obviously it's in the jungle the mighty jungle that the lyon sleeps tonight, so I would imagine it involves hacking through huge swathes of green stuff ;)
[09:13] <Laney> awoooooo
[09:15] <davmor2> Laney: close it's awimaway awimaway awimaway :D
[09:16] <larsu> ah morning Laney & willcooke
[09:17] <willcooke> hey!
[09:18] <seb128> bah, of course new nautilus has a pile of segfaults :-/
[09:18]  * seb128 upstreams some
[09:21] <Laney> hi larsu!
[09:21] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:22] <larsu> slowly waking up :)
[09:22] <larsu> and you?
[09:22] <davmor2> willcooke: had to reboot this morning, something took out dbus and therefore network manager
[09:22] <willcooke> sweet
[09:22] <davmor2> willcooke: nm apport auto reported
[09:25] <Laney> larsu: good! went climbing last night for the first time in a week-ish, couldn't go for various reasons before then
[09:25]  * Laney raaargh
[09:26] <Laney> how was the quiz? ;-)
[09:26] <larsu> ah cool
[09:26] <larsu> fun! What's the most eastern state of the EU?
[09:26] <larsu> this was surpisingly hard for us last night (but we got it right)
[09:26] <larsu> and we were 2nd place \o/
[09:27] <Laney> oh good question
[09:27] <Laney> I guess ... Romania
[09:27] <Laney> WAIt
[09:28] <Laney> I DONT
[09:28] <Laney> cyprus?
[09:28] <larsu> nice!
[09:28] <larsu> we were debating between bulgaria and cyprus
[09:28] <Laney> almost forgot about those guys down there
[09:28] <larsu> and were quite embarrased when we saw how far east cyprus is :)
[09:28] <larsu> it's not even a contest
[09:28] <Laney> malta too but I guess they are pretty west
[09:29]  * Laney looks at a map
[09:29] <larsu> yeah Malta is South of Italy
[09:29] <Laney> haha
[09:29] <Laney> that's actually closer to Turkey than I thought
[09:29] <larsu> and you're right, Romania goes a fair bit further east than Bulgaria
[09:30] <larsu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania#/media/File:EU-Romania.svg
[09:30] <larsu> the question I scored in was "name at least 5 of the Canary Islands"
[09:31] <larsu> it helps to have been there a few times :)
[09:31] <Laney> it's going to be annoying for some wikipedian to have to recolour the UK grey in all of these maps
[09:31] <Laney> man I would have no idea about that
[09:31] <Laney> good knowledge
[09:31] <larsu> Laney: don't leave us :'(
[09:31] <larsu> Laney: ya, got all of them
[09:32] <Laney> would have probably got lanzarote and tenerife
[09:32] <larsu> but only because he said there are 7 - would have missed el hierro otherwise
[09:32] <Laney> haha
[09:32] <Laney> it's the christmas quiz at our pub tonight
[09:32]  * Laney has his new jumper on in celebration
[09:33] <larsu> la gomerra, la palma, gran canaria, fuerte ventura, tenerife, lanzerote, el hierro
[09:33] <larsu> Laney: pics or it didn't happen!
[09:33] <larsu> ... or it won't have happened?!
[09:35] <davmor2> larsu: Don't be daft he won't have it on now there are no video calls, Laney will still be in his coding pants :D
[09:35] <larsu> haha
[09:35] <Laney> I sent it via a private messaging platform often used to subvert governments
[09:37]  * davmor2 scourers the darknet and now wishes he hadn't looked for Laney dresses up :D
[09:39] <larsu> for the record, it looks amazing
[09:39] <Laney> yeah... never scour the dark net for anything
[10:11] <larsu> open telgram app. switch to 2× hidpi. switch back to 1×. Feel happy about mickey mouse sized hand cursor (only on Telegram app)
[11:15] <larsu> Laney: doesn't += add a space as well?
[11:15] <larsu> I wonder what changed to make this a problem now
[11:17] <Laney> apparently not
[11:17] <Laney> or not any more, something obviously changed :(
[11:18] <larsu> can't imagine...
[11:21] <larsu> Laney: hm, according to the docs this only works in makefiles, no in shell
[11:21] <larsu> *not
[11:21] <Laney> 'this'?
[11:22] <larsu> += adding whitespace
[11:22] <larsu> maybe $LIBM was "" before
[11:22] <larsu> in any case, thanks for the catch
[11:22] <Laney> that seems unlikely
[11:22] <larsu> any other idea?
[11:22] <Laney> maybe glib had a trailing whitespace in its pcfile
[11:22] <Laney> or something
[11:22] <larsu> ah that could be as well
[11:23] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libindicator/12.10.2+14.10.20140922-0ubuntu2 ...
[11:23] <larsu> top approve or do you want to wait for seb?
[11:23]  * Laney screams
[11:23] <larsu> lol
[11:23] <larsu> xnoooooooooooooox
[11:23] <Laney> yeah feel free to top approve
[11:24] <Laney> will upload it and clobber this upload
[11:24] <Laney> thanks!
[11:30] <xnox> good morning
[11:30] <xnox> was i meant to be on IRC before uploading things that block s390x bootstrap or some such? =)
[11:30] <xnox> larsu, Laney ^
[11:30] <Laney> probably at least check merge proposals / propose your changes
[11:31] <Laney> hi xnox!
[11:31] <xnox> Laney, i like your solution better.
[11:31] <xnox> but i am shorter.
[11:32] <Laney> 2015-12-08 11:32:07,182 WARNING [11:32] <Laney> CI train is funny
[11:34] <Laney> larsu: do you know if there's a convenient way to run gvfs out of jhbuild?
[11:34] <Laney> I have 10 or so gvfs-* processes running
[11:35] <Laney> if I kill them and run gvfsd is taht enough?
[11:35] <Laney> in a jhbuild shell^
[11:37] <larsu> yes
[11:37] <larsu> it dbus activates them iirc
[11:38] <Laney> that will get the right libglib?
[11:38] <larsu> ah wait, not sure jhbuild adds dbus activatable stuff
[11:38] <Laney> the jhbuilt one
[11:38] <Laney> heh
[11:38] <larsu> but you can run them manually
[11:38] <larsu> the helper proceses, I mean
[11:38] <larsu> and then it will definitely take the already-running ones
[11:38] <Laney> dunno which one I want
[11:38] <Laney> probably -trash
[11:38] <larsu> start them all :)
[11:38] <Laney> but this has some -spawner argument
[11:39]  * Laney wibbles
[11:39] <larsu> just run it in the same way that the dbus service file does
[11:39] <larsu> ugh that doesn't exist :/
[11:40]  * Laney tries what happens just running gvfsd
[11:41] <Laney> oh yeah that worked
[11:41] <Laney> didn't do what I expected though, RATS
[11:41] <larsu> ah, it has special mount files and always mounts the trash backend
[11:41] <larsu>  /usr/share/gvfs/mounts/trash.mount
[11:41] <larsu> so you'll need to restart it manually
[11:42] <Laney> it seems to spawn the backends from the main gvfsd
[11:42] <larsu> or kill it and hope that the gvfsd from jhbuild uses the correct one
[11:42] <Laney> just starting this worked
[11:42] <larsu> ah cool
[11:42] <larsu> that's my cue: going to lunch D
[11:43] <Laney> enjoy!
[11:44] <larsu> thanks :)
[11:46] <larsu> hm, lunch date just moved
[11:46]  * larsu finishes his patch then
[11:55] <pesari> hey, is there already a public development repository for 14.04.4 HWE? (wily kernel & stuff)
[11:56] <xnox> try #ubuntu-kernel?
[13:42] <desrt> happy tuesday
[13:42] <willcooke> hey desrt
[13:42] <pitti> hey desrt!
[13:42] <desrt> good morning, EU residents
[13:45] <didrocks> happy tuesday desrt
[13:47] <desrt> hihi didrocks
[13:49] <seb128> hey desrt
[13:49] <desrt> greetings seb
[13:49]  * desrt makes some coffee
[14:45] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, Could you spare me a moment?
[14:46] <Laney> He said he was out this afternoon
[14:46] <Laney> You should probably just ask
[14:48] <flexiondotorg> I'd like to include GNOME Software + Ubuntu plugins in Ubuntu MATE.
[14:49] <flexiondotorg> I'd like to understand what packages require installing so I can test this and integrate into the seeds.
[14:50] <flexiondotorg> I appreciate it is early days and not everything will be ready yet.
[15:09] <seb128> flexiondotorg, we don't even have gnome-software in the archive yet, it requires packagekit 1.0 which is blocked on other work
[15:09] <flexiondotorg> seb128, OK. Understood.
[15:20] <Laney> ARGH
[15:20] <Laney> WHY IS MY COMPUTER BEEPING
[15:20] <Laney> Alarm Tue, 15:30 Desktop team weekly meeting
[15:20] <Laney> where did that come from?
[15:21] <didrocks> gnome-calendar? :)
[15:21] <didrocks> e-d-s? ;)
[15:21] <Laney> no I know what the eds ones look like
[15:22] <Laney> could be gcal but then why didn't it happen on the laptop too?
[15:23] <Laney> also I doubt that has a service
[15:24] <didrocks> yeah…
[15:24] <didrocks> apart if it's opened
[15:24] <Laney> not
[15:28] <seb128> no beeping on my xenial
[15:28] <Laney> any ideas?
[15:29] <seb128> gnome-calendar doesn't have a service either
[15:29] <seb128> do you have it open?
[15:29] <Laney> no
[15:29] <seb128> k, so not it
[15:29] <seb128> indicator stack didn't change, so not likely it either
[15:29] <Laney> some phone thing?
[15:29] <seb128> I doubt it
[15:29] <seb128> as said there were no recent changes there
[15:29] <Laney> what then
[15:29] <seb128> e-d-s 3.18 maybe?
[15:29] <Laney> didn't get it last week
[15:30] <seb128> they added notifications
[15:30] <seb128> maybe you enabled some settings when testing gnome-calendar?
[15:30] <seb128> or maybe it did it for you
[15:30] <seb128> but for now it's meeting time!
[15:30]  * Laney makes another event
[15:30] <seb128> #startmeeting
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec  8 15:30:48 2015 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <didrocks> hey
[15:31] <hikiko> hello
[15:31] <seb128> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> aye
[15:31] <seb128> seems like willcooke is not back yet, so I'm going to start this one
[15:31] <FJKong> .... ..
[15:31] <didrocks> thanks seb128 :)
[15:31] <desrt> word up
[15:32] <larsu> hey
[15:32] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[15:32] <seb128> no andyrock so he might be out
[15:32] <seb128> #topic attente
[15:32] <seb128> hey attente
[15:32] <attente> hey seb128
[15:32] <attente> gtk-mir backend.
[15:32] <attente> (eof)
[15:33] <Laney> bah no beep that time
[15:33] <seb128> thanks attente
[15:33] <seb128> #topic desrt
[15:33] <seb128> desrt, hey
[15:33] <desrt> gsettings.
[15:33] <desrt> (eof)
[15:33] <desrt> :)
[15:34]  * larsu is looking forward to didrocks this week
[15:34] <desrt> but seriously... did some good work on the dconf confinement stuff last week in montreal with xclaesse
[15:34] <desrt> biggest change here is what i am working on now: DConfChangeset is being imported into glib as GSettingsBackendChangeset
[15:35] <desrt> which is something that i've vaguely wanted to do for a couple of years now... it's ugly as all hell, but it's going to make a lot of things easier... not least of which is the current work at hand about confinement
[15:35] <desrt> the import itself is done (as a patch) but i'm currently porting various backends to using it
[15:35] <desrt> so i'll probably have that done by next meeting
[15:35] <desrt> (real eof)
[15:35] <seb128> great
[15:35] <seb128> looking forward to see that land ;-)
[15:36] <seb128> thanks desrt
[15:36] <desrt> me too
[15:36] <desrt> np
[15:36] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[15:36] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[15:36] <dgadomski> hey
[15:36] <dgadomski> I'm chasing one new issue - Unity (and Gnome 3) crash on a VM running under PowerKVM. No useful info in the logs, waiting for /var/crash data. Direct rendering is on (according to glxinfo), so I guess it's some kind of a bug. I'll create a lp bug after getting more input. I guess there's nothing preventing Unity from running on ppc64?
[15:37] <dgadomski> * created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPolicykit, will work on putting more info there. Will appreciate any feedback, ideas
[15:37] <dgadomski> * still running Xenial in several VMs tests to verify fix for bug #1337873, no problems so far
[15:37] <dgadomski> EOF
[15:37] <seb128> not sure about ppc64 graphical stack...
[15:37] <seb128> thanks dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> seb128: do you know who can know more about ppc64?
[15:38] <seb128> try asking on #ubuntu-devel maybe
[15:38] <dgadomski> seb128: will do, thanks
[15:38] <seb128> but I doubt we have many people who know about unity/graphical stack on ppc64el
[15:38] <seb128> it's not a focus I would guess
[15:38] <seb128> yw
[15:38] <seb128> ok, next
[15:38] <seb128> #topic didrocks
[15:38] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[15:38] <didrocks> manage living with a german guy here.
[15:38] <didrocks> (eof)
[15:38] <didrocks> :p
[15:39] <didrocks> * Most of the week went into the plymouth merge (we never merged with debian and the package wasn't common). Fixed and dropped some patches. Tested with passphrase with plymouth in initramfs. After some firefighting, will do flavors theme updates (all themes needs to be refresh for a /lib vs /usr/share transition)
[15:39] <didrocks> * Dist-upgraded to xenial, found some issues after dist-upgrade and either pinged maintainers or upload fix/revert + discussion on bug report.
[15:39] <didrocks> * Went to change passport for Ubucon
[15:39] <didrocks> * Doing some personal development stuff
[15:39] <didrocks> * Wrote summary & speaker note for scale conf
[15:39] <didrocks> * Pushed language default strategy change + another dictionary. Got a golden image with only russian (not even en!) on the image and fixed it :)
[15:39] <didrocks> .
[15:39] <Laney> do you feel developed personally?
[15:39] <didrocks> I guess as you are Laney ;)
[15:40] <Laney> I experienced a film style montage
[15:40] <didrocks> haha
[15:40] <seb128> thanks didrocks ;-)
[15:41] <seb128> #topic FJKong
[15:41] <seb128> FJKong, hey
[15:41] <FJKong> youdao dictionary code review
[15:41] <FJKong> work on build cef in progress
[15:41] <FJKong> a little lag by my vps
[15:41] <FJKong> eof
[15:41] <seb128> you don't seem to lag much
[15:41] <seb128> thanks FJKong ;-)
[15:42] <seb128> #topic happyaron
[15:42] <seb128> happyaron, hey!
[15:43] <seb128> no happyaron I guess?
[15:43] <seb128> #topic hikiko
[15:43] <seb128> hikiko, key!
[15:43] <hikiko> hello :)
[15:44] <hikiko> I am still doing the shadows, I am close to finish the effect.. eof
[15:44] <seb128> thanks hikiko
[15:44] <desrt> :D
[15:45] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:45] <seb128> hey Laney!
[15:45] <Laney> oh hi
[15:45] <Laney> • More work on appstream charm, supports in place upgrading now, filed RT to deploy to prodstack
[15:46] <Laney> • patch pilot
[15:46] <Laney> • New upstream of g-i, for some reason we have a delta now
[15:46] <Laney> • Some work on rebuilds / test smoothing for poppler, openscenegraph, gdal which got largely invalidated by s390x enablement
[15:46] <Laney> • some administration of autopkgtest
[15:46] <Laney> • backport gstreamer to the overlay ppa for touch guys
[15:46] <Laney> • start looking at trashing bug maybe caused by my patch from vivid, didn't manage to reproduce the behaviour people said they were seeing yet, asked on the bug for info
[15:46] <Laney> • fix nautilus rename popover placement
[15:46] <Laney> • libindicator build fix
[15:46] <Laney> ︘
[15:46] <desrt> Laney: which trashing bug is this?
[15:46]  * desrt is so sick of all the trash lately :p
[15:46] <Laney>  748248
[15:46] <desrt> thx
[15:46] <Laney> apparently my patch created a regression
[15:47] <Laney> but I can't work out what that is :)
[15:47] <desrt> oh.  this one.
[15:47] <Laney> POST MEETING!
[15:47] <desrt> yup.
[15:47] <seb128> thanks Laney
[15:47] <seb128> #topic larsu
[15:47] <seb128> larsu, hey
[15:47] <larsu> hey!
[15:47] <larsu> bugs
[15:47] <larsu> (eof)
[15:48] <desrt> lol
[15:48] <seb128> no nautilus menubars? :-(
[15:48] <desrt> i like this new style
[15:48] <desrt> good job, attente :)
[15:48] <larsu> (was anyone under 13 bytes?)
[15:48] <larsu> haha
[15:48] <desrt> "hey!\nbugs\n" vs. "gsettings.\n"
[15:48] <attente> i started a trend
[15:48] <larsu> ok: reworked the screenshot patch for gtk because Company
[15:48] <seb128> do you have the updated one somewhere?
[15:48] <seb128> I looked at the bugzilla earlier when I reverted the SRU
[15:49] <seb128> but it seems there is no followup yet?
[15:49] <larsu> found a riduculous workaround for nautilus having all actions in view. instead of win.
[15:49] <larsu> (requires a gtk patch because desrt)
[15:49] <desrt> larsu: did you take a look at that thing we discussed at the sprint at all?
[15:49] <larsu> seb128: not uploaded, but almost done (one regression left to figure out)
[15:49] <larsu> desrt: that thing wouldn't fix this
[15:50] <desrt> i dunno.  i see them as related :)
[15:50] <larsu> that was about dynamic menus
[15:50] <desrt> export-all-the-menus and export-all-the-actiongroups *shrug*
[15:50] <larsu> this is aboutthe actions not being reachable
[15:50] <larsu> desrt: we never wanted to export all action groups?!
[15:50] <larsu> anyway
[15:50] <larsu> also some smaller fixes. notify-osd. some more logs work
[15:50] <larsu> some reviews
[15:51] <larsu> (actual eof)
[15:51] <Laney> great reviews
[15:51] <Laney> would request again a++
[15:51] <seb128> Laney, larsu, btw gnome-logs MIR got approved, so we can swap gnome-system-log for it when we want
[15:52] <Laney> cool
[15:52] <larsu> awesome, thanks
[15:52] <seb128> thanks larsu
[15:52] <Laney> should file calendar one
[15:52]  * Laney notes that down
[15:52] <seb128> do you still plan to reply on the list?
[15:52] <Laney> that's the same task ya
[15:52] <seb128> I tried the tb-eds integration earlier
[15:52] <seb128> it hangs tb for me as well
[15:52] <Laney> :(
[15:52] <seb128> also I find the calendar UI (it works without eds) too complex
[15:53] <seb128> gnome-calendar+1
[15:53] <Laney> cool
[15:53] <seb128> ok, next
[15:53] <Laney> thnaks
[15:53] <seb128> #topic qengho
[15:53] <seb128> qengho, hey
[15:54] <qengho> Hey!
[15:54] <qengho> * New Chromium, v47. distpatches--. Tested & gave to #security for upload.
[15:54] <qengho> * In progress: Precise C++ abi backporting.
[15:54] <qengho> * To-do this week: More snap work. More Cr/Ozone/Mir work. xdg-patch patch again.
[15:54] <qengho> * Maybe: My desktop machine needs an overhaul, so in the process I'll try to get some ZFS integration into Ubiquity.
[15:54] <qengho> * Gripe: Nautilus crashy.
[15:54] <qengho> EOF
[15:55] <seb128> qengho, nautilus on what serie? feel free to open a bug with bt and I can have a look
[15:55] <qengho> Not xdg-patch. xdg-utils
[15:55] <qengho> seb128: xenial. I will.
[15:55] <seb128> thanks qengho
[15:56] <seb128> #topic seb128
[15:56] <seb128> • uploaded nautilus 3.18!
[15:56] <seb128> • fixed some small issues in the gtkappchooser dialog (missing icon, label wrap mode)
[15:56] <seb128> • some Debian merges
[15:56] <seb128> • looked at some translations issues (desktop & phone)
[15:56] <seb128> • spent quite some time trying to debug evolution-data-server/uoa/oauth issues, fixed one problem due to an unseeded package but the auth is using password instead of oauth and that's wrong, didn't figure that one yet though
[15:56] <seb128> • some sponsoring
[15:56] <seb128> • review of incoming bugs/errors, upstream several new segfault showing on e.u.c after xenial GNOME (gedit, nautilus, n-m, ...) updates

[15:56] <larsu> random note: I'm testing my patch on 2× and firefox is still 1×. Clicking links with the large pointer is *hard*.
[15:56] <larsu> but looks funny
[15:57] <Laney> firefox gets 2× for me
[15:57] <Laney> seb128: what's the bug # for the need-to-restart-eds one?
[15:57] <larsu> for me too if I restarted
[15:57] <larsu> *restart it
[15:58] <seb128> Laney, I didn't file it yet, thanks for the reminder, wanted to check with mardy first
[15:58]  * seb128 does try to ping him
[15:58] <seb128> I let you know when it's registered
[15:58] <seb128> ok, next
[15:58] <Laney> thanks
[15:58] <Laney> just want to subscribe
[15:58] <seb128> yw!
[15:58] <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:58] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> - LibreOffice/GNOME Content Apps Hackfest Madrid
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> -- much of mentoring and review
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> -- wow spanish community has lots of potential
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> -- such patches being merged
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> - trying to behave: TDF board election ongoing
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> - playing with snappy/snapcraft for LibreOffice
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:58] <seb128> efficient ;-)
[15:58] <willcooke> back, sorry all
[15:59] <seb128> hey willcooke, no worry
[15:59]  * willcooke reads log
[15:59] <seb128> willcooke, want to take it from there or should I do the few remaining updates?
[15:59] <willcooke> seb128, would you mind finishing, then I can read the log
[15:59] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[15:59] <seb128> willcooke, no problem
[15:59] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[16:00] <tkamppeter> - cups-browsed: Completed development of filtering printer lists. Now if there are very many printers in the network, making only the important ones available is now possible by mean of server's IP addresses, queue name, and practically all printer properties broadcasted via DNS-SD.
[16:00] <tkamppeter> - Will not be on next Desktop Sprint, date equals the date of next OpenPrinting Summit.
[16:00] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[16:00] <qengho> 'sup
[16:00] <seb128> thanks tkamppeter
[16:00] <tkamppeter> `sup?
[16:01] <seb128> #topic TheMuso
[16:01] <seb128> * Submitted orca gsettings backend initial patch upstream, bug# still a little work to do, no feedback given yet.
[16:01] <seb128> * Started looking into merging/uploading new alsa package versions, will do in the new year if no movement on Debian's side before then.
[16:01] <seb128> * More work on the a11y profile manager library, started populating the source tree, nothing pushed yet.
[16:01] <seb128> Hope you all have a pleasant break.
[16:01] <seb128> #topic robert_ancell
[16:01] <seb128> - GNOME Software Ubuntu support work
[16:01] <seb128> - LightDM SRU verification
[16:01] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[16:01] <seb128> · Prepared unity/compiz SRU for HiDPI cursor support
[16:01] <seb128> · Meeting with Kylin guys https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu
[16:01] <seb128> Kylin/Meeting/2015/20151203
[16:01] <seb128> · New review with kylin lockscreen, proposed a branch to cleanup the
[16:01] <seb128> code so that we can share the most of the logic.
[16:01] <seb128> · Continued working in launcher/trash/volumes/filemanager integration.
[16:01] <seb128> Focusing in main nautilus management
[16:01] <seb128> 
[16:01] <seb128> 
[16:02] <seb128> bah, those chars display as [TAB] in my IRC client
[16:02] <seb128> they do display as Ubuntu logo in gedit though ;-)
[16:02] <Laney> works here
[16:02] <seb128> great ;-)
[16:03] <seb128> #topic other topics?
[16:03] <seb128> ok, anything else to discuss?
[16:04] <Laney> probably come up to ldn on thursday if you want me to
[16:04] <seb128> that would be good
[16:04] <Laney> might not get the 0630 train this time though :p
[16:05] <seb128> no need to arrive too early
[16:05]  * desrt reads "gsettings backend", get nervous
[16:05]  * desrt has visions of compiz
[16:05] <seb128> haha
[16:05]  * desrt tries to find that bug
[16:06] <seb128> ok, let's wrap the meeting there
[16:06] <seb128> willcooke, or did you have an update/something you wanted to discuss?
[16:06] <Sweet5hark> *** desert will need to write the gsettings replacement for the gconf backend in LO
[16:06] <willcooke> nothing at the moment
[16:06] <desrt> lol.  not touching that.
[16:06] <desrt> my laptop is made of aluminium, which has too low of a melting point for LO work
[16:06] <Sweet5hark> desrt: hrhr
[16:07] <larsu> haha
[16:07] <Laney> #endmeeting
[16:07] <Laney> !!!
[16:07] <desrt> best part about old jokes: they're already old
[16:08] <seb128> seems not I guess
[16:08] <seb128> #endmeeting
[16:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec  8 16:08:52 2015 UTC.
[16:08] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-12-08-15.30.moin.txt
[16:08] <seb128> thanks everyone
[16:09] <Laney> thanks!
[16:09] <Laney> groovy meeting
[16:09]  * desrt finds old orca "let's use gsettings" bug with 40+ comments
[16:09]  * desrt finds very new orca "let's use gsettings" bug with a single comment/patch from luke
[16:10] <seb128> so, almost holidays and I wanted to land quite some feature work before that but I guess that's not going to be the case
[16:10] <seb128> we could land gnome-logs
[16:11] <Sweet5hark> desrt: we have builders on amazon ec2 these days with libreoffice precompiled ready to go though to eliminate the "my local hardware"-excuses ;) -- This mostly resulted in people being more honest about their opinions on "legacy" in legacy codebase ...
[16:11] <seb128> larsu, how likely is it that we can get nautilus menubar and unity-control-center port to geonames in the next week?
[16:11] <Laney> seb128: do it
[16:11] <desrt> LO builds in the cloud?  sounds like climate change!
[16:11] <Laney> I'll do cal this week
[16:11] <Laney> bah, ssh is lagging
[16:12] <Laney> that is a sign to make tea
[16:12] <seb128> Laney, "do it" = logs?
[16:12] <Laney> yeah
[16:12] <seb128> right
[16:12] <seb128> I would like to land geonames as well
[16:12] <seb128> which is fine
[16:12]  * desrt waits for gigabit internet connection to do distcc in the cloud
[16:12] <Laney> woul dbe good
[16:12] <seb128> but not very useful if u-c-c doesn't use it
[16:14] <Laney> what else would want to be ported?
[16:14] <Laney> libtimezonemap/ubiquity + u-s-s?
[16:16] <seb128> u-s-s?
[16:16] <seb128> oh, touch one you mean
[16:16] <seb128> yeah
[16:22] <xclaesse> seb128, desrt: speaking about dconf/appservice, if you guys have apparmor people that can do that side of the work that would be awesome :D
[16:23] <desrt> *cough*
[16:23] <seb128> didn't attente did some work on that side?
[16:23] <desrt> so maybe we should chat about that now
[16:23] <xclaesse> sadly jjohansen's patches doesn't build, I fixed that, but it doesn't work neither :(
[16:23] <desrt> jjohansen: are you around?
[16:23] <seb128> otherwise somebody to talk to the security team about
[16:23] <desrt> attente: you as well?
[16:23] <attente> i'm here
[16:24] <desrt> as far as i know, attente's patches did exactly what we needed
[16:24] <desrt> attente: do you know why jjohansen was taking a different approach?
[16:24] <xclaesse> desrt, when I asked, attente said their his patches are superseeded by jjohansen's
[16:25] <xclaesse> I personally don't care as long as I have an API that gives a strv of read/write keys
[16:25] <desrt> ya.  exactly.
[16:25] <desrt> which is what we had from attente
[16:25] <desrt> via this impressively strange sequence of write()/read() syscalls on a pseudofile
[16:26] <desrt> (which, apparently, is how apparmor rolls)
[16:27] <seb128> Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution-data-server/+bug/1523985
[16:28] <desrt> xclaesse: for the time being, it might just make more sense to target against xdg-app
[16:28] <desrt> the apparmor guys will catch up to us eventually
[16:28] <desrt> we certainly shouldn't block on them
[16:29] <xclaesse> desrt, sadly xdg-app is more long term goal for us, we would like to confine apps with apparmor first
[16:29] <desrt> sure... but unless you know some kernel hackers, we're sort of blocked on that front, right?
[16:29] <xclaesse> but in all cases, we already missed our next deadline, so it's a feature postponed to next year anyway :p
[16:29] <attente> desrt: i'm not sure the reason for the new patchset tbh, but when i tried building them, it seems a bit incomplete still
[16:30] <desrt> i think if we get to the point of "look... this is working already on our side... we're really just waiting for you" then it's a bit more of a compelling request
[16:30] <xclaesse> desrt, right
[16:30] <desrt> you could also just write a keyfile backend or something
[16:31] <xclaesse> desrt, I don't think it needs kernel side work, if I understood correctly it's only userpace apparmor patches
[16:31] <Laney> seb128: thanks!
[16:31] <desrt> i mean.. the appservice is already pretty strict about checking dbus name ownership... we sort of use that as the root of security... any sane system will enforce the same.
[16:31] <desrt> xclaesse: it does need kernel work
[16:31] <desrt> xclaesse: it's not possible to read out the contents of the FSA that apparmor compiles
[16:31] <desrt> you can currently only ask it yes-or-no questions
[16:32] <desrt> or rather, bitfield questions
[16:32] <desrt> ie: each node in the FSA has a (32bits?) mask that you can get by playing a string through it to take you to that node
[16:33] <xclaesse> desrt, a key file like this would do, indeed:
[16:33] <xclaesse> [apparmor label]
[16:33] <xclaesse> readable=key1;key2
[16:33] <xclaesse> writable=key1;key3
[16:33] <desrt> pretty much
[16:34] <desrt> for testing, at least
[16:34] <xclaesse> I already get the label from org.freedesktop.DBus, GetConnectionCredentials
[16:34] <desrt> i thought i had plumbed that through already
[16:35] <desrt> although there was some confusion on that point... there was an old crappy API and a new good API and i think i  might have been waiting for the good API
[16:35] <xclaesse> desrt, that wasn't part of your code, but I added it
[16:35] <xclaesse> there is GetConnectionApparmorSecurityContext() as well, that's the old crappy one afaik
[16:36] <desrt> yes. i agree.
[16:36] <desrt> GetConnectionCredentials is the good one
[16:36] <desrt> but is the context wired up to the new call?
[16:36] <xclaesse> yes, I did it already
[16:37] <desrt> i get a dict which has pid and uid, but no context... but that may be because none of my things have contexts
[16:37] <desrt> oh.  good.  :)
[16:37] <xclaesse> and it gives meaningful reply, so that should be fine
[16:37] <desrt> ya.  this is very good.
[16:37] <xclaesse> desrt, I do get a context here
[16:37] <xclaesse> on ubuntu wily
[16:38] <xclaesse> look at the unit test in appservice, it has an appormor rule you can load
[16:38] <desrt> i think i've uninstalled as much of apparmor as is possible without using equivs ;)
[16:39] <xclaesse> no surprise you don't get an apparmor context then
[16:39] <xclaesse> by default you should get "(unconfined)" string
[16:39] <desrt> ya.  i don't even get that
[16:39] <desrt> i'm on testing, btw.
[16:39] <desrt> so probably my dbus is too old
[16:42] <xclaesse> {'LinuxSecurityLabel': [117, 110, 99, 111, 110, 102, 105, 110, 101, 100, 0], 'ProcessID': 25672L, 'UnixUserID': 1000L}
[16:42]  * desrt raises an eyebrow
[16:42] <xclaesse> if you interpret that byte array as ascii, that gives "unconfined\0"
[16:42] <desrt> did GVariant print that?
[16:42] <xclaesse> d-feet
[16:42] <desrt> figures :p
[16:43]  * desrt was about to go bug hunting
[16:44]  * desrt goes back to playing with changesets
[16:53] <desrt> xclaesse: we agreed that reset absolutely must always be successful, right?
[16:53]  * desrt notes that keyfile backend is not doing this now
[16:53] <xclaesse> desrt, yes and that's what I did in my implementation
[16:54]  * desrt tweaks
[16:54] <xclaesse> and indeed memory/keyfile backend can't do it at least for path reset
[16:54] <desrt> keyfiles are sort of tricky, in fact
[16:54] <desrt> because they may be readonly
[16:54] <xclaesse> for memory backend you get it for free if you use DConfChangeset afaik
[16:54] <desrt> well, nothing ever fails in memory backend
[16:55] <xclaesse> yep, but current implementation cannot do path reset, by using changeset that will fix that :)
[16:55] <desrt> i guess a readonly keyfile corresponds (roughly) to a default database with no user values present
[16:55] <desrt> amazing that we never really thought through all of this stuff when we first wrote it
[16:56] <xclaesse> the immense majority of our use cases doesn't need all those details tbh
[16:56] <desrt> nod
[16:56] <desrt> readonly keyfiles as a gsettingsbackend are probably not super common, either :)
[16:57] <desrt> not hard to fix, in any case
[17:27] <willcooke> happyaron, sorry for the calendar spam
[17:56] <seb128> calling it a day, have a good evening!
[17:56] <willcooke> see ya seb128
[17:57] <seb128> happyaron, https://github.com/ibus/ibus-pinyin/blob/master/po/fr.po has some invalid tag, do you know who to ping to get that fixed? the project doesn't seem very active
[17:57] <seb128> #: ../setup/ibus-pinyin-preferences.ui.h:15
[17:57] <seb128> msgid "<b>UI</b>"
[17:57] <seb128> msgstr "<b>UI<b/>"
[17:57] <seb128> the "<b/>" should be "</b>"
[17:58] <seb128> but that's for another day, just letting that in the backlog/for when you are up tomorrow
[18:06] <Laney> right, see you!
[19:12] <willcooke> g'night
[21:13] <desrt> lol.  france wants to ban tor and shut down public wifi networks during emergencies
[21:14] <desrt> in other news, disney wants to ban people looking at the moon by making it invisible
[21:31] <TheMuso> desrt: Along with what I've heard coming from the US this morning, seems world leaders really don't understand modern communications/the internet.