[02:22] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-equake-plugin <IP_ADDRESS> released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-equake-plugin-1-3-8-1-released-tp48947.html (by Jeroen van Aart)
[23:37] <knome> so we're kind of ready with the wallpaper (will still sleep a good nights sleep before pushing it to the repositories), but for anybody interested: https://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/wall-1704/final.png
[23:40] <krytarik> ..Now I can really value the cow udders. :P
[23:46] <knome> because you see what here? :P
[23:47] <krytarik> They're poking my eyes!
[23:47] <knome> ahahahah!
[23:47] <knome> :)


[21:46] <nacc> OerHeks: afaik, wget should handle redirects fine, right?
[21:47] <nacc> tipdriller: what are you downloading from microsoft?
[21:48] <tipdriller> thanks nacc, it works!!
[21:48] <tipdriller> it redirected just fine
[21:48] <tipdriller> i'm downloading Killer Instinct
[21:50] <hasan> testing
[21:50] <hasan> wow
[21:51] <robyx> test
[21:51] <hasan> wow
[21:51] <hasan> it works
[21:51] <nacc> hasan: yes, do you have a support question?
[21:51] <k1l> there is the #test channel :)
[21:51] <hasan> no, apologies
[21:52] <notdaniel> is guake still the way to go as far as a dropdown terminal? or tilda? something else?
[21:55] <countingdaisies> When doing a usb install of 16,  will a larger usb stick work? (like 32 or 64 gb)?
[21:55] <Mathisen> notdaniel, yep or Yakuake
[21:56] <countingdaisies> I mean, would the machine boot it or is there a limitation?
[21:56] <notdaniel> Mathisen, do you have a preference? it's been a while and i just remember some quirks with each of htem
[21:56] <notdaniel> oh thats a kde one
[21:57] <Mathisen> notdaniel, i use guake for dropdown tilda just to get a "cool" background
[21:57] <k1l> countingdaisies: there is no such thing as too big for a ubuntu usb :) only too small. so anything 2gb or bigger works
[21:57] <OerHeks> notdaniel, if it has been a while, no way saying if your 'quircks' are solved, only one way to find out ....
[21:58] <notdaniel> OerHeks, agreed, but it's also pretty easy for me to go down a rathole and spend time getting my dev machine set up instead of actually working
[21:58] <notdaniel> but yes i can try both out and just not fiddle for very long right now haha
[22:00] <countingdaisies>  kll  I thiink I thought that bc when I did a bios upgrade once in the past. It turns out there was a size limitation on the usb stick that could be use to do the installation.  Considering that doing an installation involves booting, which involves bios, I thought maybe, conceivably there could be a size restriction for this too.  I've been googling and not finding anything, but it's cool...
[22:00] <countingdaisies> ...as long as I'm clear on what I was asking (not about using a usb with an installation but for an installation). thx
[22:00] <nacc> countingdaisies: as long as your bios can boot from the usb stick, ubuntu should be able to use it
[22:01] <kevr> so i have a trusty chroot, and im trying to update things, but udev fails because `initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused`
[22:01] <kevr> and i can't figure out how to make this migration properly or ignore these errors
[22:01] <countingdaisies> nacc: right on
[22:02] <k1l> countingdaisies: i read that you have many concerns. but i think that you are making it more complicated than it is :) i guess you would manage an install easily if you have installed another OS before.
[22:04] <countingdaisies> kll  it's cool. I'm purchasing the items to do this and only have very limited funds to do so.    I can't just buy another one like some ppl  (jk jk).   ty for your help. I'm sure Itll be fine. I just want to buy the best decisions I can make for my future cause right now it's like that
[22:04] <countingdaisies> peace
[22:06] <k1l> countingdaisies: no problem. i just wanted to make sure dont get scared away. its not that difficult to install ubuntu. if you have issues come in here and people will help :)
[22:06] <countingdaisies> I hear ya  its all good
[22:08] <buntu> Hello
[22:08] <B105PH3RE> hi
[22:08] <buntu> Whats this channel for?
[22:08] <B105PH3RE> suport ubuntu distro
[22:08] <buntu> :o
[22:08] <k1l> buntu: its for technical ubuntu support
[22:09] <userro> Ubuntu is a great operating system
[22:10] <buntu> I just installed MATE 16.04 LTs. Wondering where the package manager is?
[22:10] <OerHeks> does mate come without softwarecenter ??
[22:10] <OerHeks> :-D
[22:10] <buntu> :( looks like it
[22:11] <k1l> buntu: maybe the #ubuntu-mate channel knows better about that
[22:11] <buntu> they have synapse
[22:11] <kevr> anybody?
[22:12] <buntu> Know where I could grab it?
[22:12] <k1l> !info synapse
[22:13] <OerHeks> i think he points to synaptic ?
[22:13] <k1l> buntu: that is a filelauncher. not a software center or package manager
[22:14] <buntu> yah that explains why I cannot get anything from it :P
[22:14] <OerHeks> buntu you can install software-center or synaptic
[22:14] <buntu> Yah where do I go for that?
[22:14] <OerHeks> sad to see mate without softwarecenter ..
[22:15] <OerHeks> ctrl alt t = terminal, sudo apt get install <package>
[22:15] <buntu> unable to locate softwarecenter
[22:15] <k1l> iirc mate ships a software center. but the specialists in #ubuntu-mate will know
[22:15] <OerHeks> ohhhhhhh MATE uses the Boutique
[22:16] <buntu> :O boutique let me check
[22:16] <OerHeks> found @ http://askubuntu.com/questions/868199/ubuntu-16-04-mate-software-center
[22:17] <buntu> Yea there it is sofware boutique :))
[22:17] <buntu> Interesting. not what im used to at all
[22:17] <kevr> so i have a trusty chroot, and im trying to update things, but udev fails because `initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused`
[22:17] <kevr> and now im stuck completely
[22:18] <msev--> how do i add this /home/msev/Koda/platform-tool into path
[22:18] <kevr> export PATH="${PATH}:/home/msev/Koda"
[22:19] <kevr> or whatever directory, same idea
[22:19] <k1l> msev--: you can put it into your home folder into the new folder "bin". after a relogin it will be added to your users path
[22:19] <msev--> thanks kevr
[22:22] <funkster> what are my options for creating GUI desktop app? any specific language/librarys you guys suggest me to look into?
[22:23] <the_weasel> hello
[22:24] <the_weasel> i need help with a 3 monitor setup, nvidia-settings doesn't save my settings..
[22:25] <the_weasel> i just want to clone my main monitor with my tv and expand the desktop on the second monitor
[22:25] <kevr> the_weasel: i would suggest using xrandr to setup your configurations, though you can still do this with xorg config fragments
[22:25] <OerHeks> funkster, lots of options qml C++ perl python java ..
[22:25] <the_weasel> ok thanks
[22:26] <kevr> the_weasel: basically you can just write a script to run on autostart that uses xrandr to setup your displays
[22:26] <kevr> however you want them
[22:26] <the_weasel> i'm new to linux...took me 12 hours to get my gpu working correctly....
[22:26] <the_weasel> lol
[22:27] <the_weasel> i'll take a look into xrandr
[22:30] <Vysty> Hey! Anyone here good at working with kdenlive?
[22:33] <axisys> I have no sound and have tried different solutions and the Sound Setting Output still says Dummy Output
[22:33] <axisys> sound works fine with live CD
[22:33] <axisys> any suggestion? so far no response in mailing list
[22:34] <Wirehunter> Do you have any experience with programming already? JavaFX is very easy to start out with in my opinion. This isn't the right channel to talk about programming though.
[22:34] <pavlos> buntu, ubuntu mate has control center under system (4th down)
[22:36] <cfhowlett> !alis list kdenlive
[22:38] <Duosora> Hello folks. Have you heard of a new innovative browser which debutes on Linux?
[22:38] <cfhowlett> !browser > Duosora
[22:39] <Duosora> The one I'm talking about is called Sky
[22:44] <OerHeks> Duosora, never heard of it, and cannot find it either, url?
[22:45] <cfhowlett> Generally, if it can't be found via  a quick google, I consider it not ready for prime time.  YMMV
[22:45] <Goose_> Ive been playing around with ubuntu a couple weeks now and im settling down with 14.04 ,
[22:45] <OerHeks> if it is sky browser from google, it is just a google earth thingy
[22:46] <Goose_> II just want to knowhow to properly secure my system, ive encrypted the drives and I have a high security network but
[22:46] <Goose_> 16.04*\
[22:52] <wedgie> Goose_: it's pretty secure to start with. The important thing is to not decrease its security by installing/running silly things. And keep it up-to-date.
[22:53] <Goose_> @wedgie - what would be considered silly? I try to be careful with my firefox, but is there any software i should stay away from
[22:54] <wedgie> Goose_: don't have anything in particular in mind. For a desktop this should be pretty simple since you won't be running any exernally-accessible services.
[22:54] <Goose_> well i do want to set up server
[22:55] <Goose_> i havent done that yet
[22:55] <k1l> Goose_: think twice before you use 3rd party repos or packages to install software
[22:55] <Goose_> everything from software is good though right? through the ubuntu store?
[22:55] <k1l> because for the ubuntu repos there is peer review and the ubuntu security team that maintains the security updates.
[22:56] <wedgie> Goose_: well, then, when you start to set up services you'll have to be careful. And there are probably channels dedicated to each of those services that will be able to provide much more targeted advice.
[22:56] <juejuepuppy2><PHONE_NUMBER>text help please, why pswd wont type in on Konsole app when i try to install Sublime via cmd
[22:57] <k1l> juejuepuppy2: you dont see any **** or such, you need to type "blind" and hit enter
[22:57] <wedgie> Goose_: apache2 and php come from the official repos. But if you use them to run an insecure app then you expose yourself to risks. But detail on how to harden a webapp is outside the scope of this channel
[22:57] <wedgie> using that as just an example, of course
[23:04] <Epx998> I am attempting to do an unattended ks of ubuntu 12 uefi, getting a 'anna: wget bad address '' message fairly early on.  I am not sure what its doing at this stage.  Any ideas?
[23:04] <axisys> sound fixed! thanks to wabbits from #alsa .. I was not part of audio group and then restart pulseaudio with -k
[23:04] <axisys> wow!
[23:05] <kk4ewt> Epx998,  sounds like it is trying to wget something from a bad address
[23:05] <wedgie> ubuntu 12? Is that supported anymore?
[23:05] <Epx998> yeah but what?
[23:06] <Epx998> only until april
[23:06] <k1l> 12.04is supported untill end of april
[23:06] <kk4ewt> so look in the ks and see
[23:08] <Epx998> i am, its not saying anything
[23:09] <d_ven0m> Hey I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. I'm looking to do Android development, and possibly some non-Android Java development as well. I've already downloaded IntelliJ IDEA, and was wondering whether I need to download Android Studio as well. Supposedly it is possible to just use IDEA, but are there any downsides to not using AS?
[23:11] <Skaag> what's cooler for my car's license plate? CHROOT or CHMOD O
[23:12] <Epx998> yeah hmm i have no idea why this wget is failing or what its trying grab, its right after dhcp does its autoconfig junk
[23:13] <kk4ewt> look at the ks and see where it is going
[23:15] <Epx998> next entry is the http mirror, but it works fine on ub14 and ub16, hmm
[23:16] <buntu> Thanks for what you guys are doing! It really means a lot.
[23:17] <d_ven0m> Anyone? Downsides to using IntelliJ IDEA for Android over Android Studio?
[23:17] <kk4ewt> d_ven0m,  ask the android guys
[23:17] <d_ven0m> kk4ewt: Is there a channel on freenode?
[23:18] <Epx998> kk4ewt: where to look, the .cfg points to the mirror, b ut from the client, it can ping the mirror, address shows '' so something is missing maybe hmm
[23:20] <Epx998> ill try the ubuntu mirror i guess
[23:20] <macgyver1> hi guys I tried to install ubuntu to an ssd drive but after some time it said grub failed to install in this drive, please choose another drive, and stuck there
[23:20] <nacc> !alis | d_ven0m
[23:20]  * init7 BRR! ty bo torte me FloRenTina
[23:20] <macgyver1> what should I do. I dont need grub
[23:21] <macgyver1> I want to start immediately
[23:21] <macgyver1> how can I continue installation"?
[23:21] <nacc> Epx998: do you happen  to be setting up networking in your preseed and serving hte preseed over the network?
[23:21] <nacc> macgyver1: what do you mean "I dont need grub"? How are you going to boot?
[23:22] <Epx998> nacc: only using dhcp in the preceed, the dhcp server has a static entry for the host.
[23:22] <macgyver1> nacc I wanted to boot from an ssd drive
[23:23] <macgyver1> I had only ubuntu in that ssd
[23:23] <macgyver1> and other os in other ssd
[23:23] <nacc> Epx998: right, ok, but are you actually getting the preseed over the network?
[23:23] <nacc> Epx998: in which case, you need to tell the system on the commandline how to configure the network
[23:23] <nacc> macgyver1: grub is the bootloader, i don't understand why you think you don't need it?
[23:24] <macgyver1> because it said grub cannot installed in that ssd
[23:24] <macgyver1> so it stuck
[23:24] <nacc> macgyver1: yes, but you say "I dont need grub"
[23:24] <nacc> macgyver1: why do you think that?
[23:24] <Epx998> nacc: It works for Ub14 and 16 installs, let me run one of those to watch for the send on the ks serverr, im not seeing the send on 12.
[23:24] <macgyver1> yes because it stuck
[23:24] <macgyver1> I wanted continue installation
[23:24] <nacc> macgyver1: you absolutely need grub.
[23:24] <nacc> macgyver1: it not working does not mean you don't need it
[23:25] <macgyver1> yes but what can I do it stucks trying to install grub
[23:25] <macgyver1> I wanted to install the other staff
[23:25] <nacc> Epx998: also, does 12.04 properly support uefi?
[23:26] <macgyver1> and I dont know why it says grub cannot be installed
[23:26] <macgyver1> says choose ssd, I choose and nothing happens
[23:26] <Epx998> nacc: not sure, it netbooted into the debian installer ok, the installer doesnt appear to be grabbing the preceed, so maybe my entry is wrong.  ill check my grub cfg
[23:27] <nacc> Epx998: so this is just my own experience, but yeah, I would check all the configs again, but also -- if the preseed is needed to know how networking should be configured (say, nameservers or something), and is being served over the network, for reliability, you want to pass the network config over the command-line (kernel)
[23:28] <macgyver1> who needs a grub when a grub can be broken?
[23:28] <Epx998> nacc: i am passing the network config in the kernel line of grub
[23:29] <Epx998> nacc: i had a error in my fqdn that i used, had the ip before with the same error, testing again.
[23:29] <nacc> Epx998: ah ok, just double-checking
[23:29] <nacc> macgyver1: you should look in the logs for what failed
[23:30] <pavlos> macgyver1, I assume you strted from a live cd or usb, installed to the target ssd (let's say sda) and now it refuses to write the bootloader to sda?
[23:30] <macgyver1> ok I reboot now  and come back again later
[23:30] <macgyver1> pavlos correct
[23:30] <macgyver1> pavlos I installed ubuntu in an ssd
[23:31] <macgyver1>  pavlos inastalled in dev/sdc and it tried to install grub in dev/sda and stuck
[23:32] <macgyver1> pavlos a window said pleas choose another disk
[23:32] <pavlos> buntu, but there is no sda or is there?
[23:32] <pavlos> macgyver1, but there is no sda or is there?
[23:32] <macgyver1> pavlos there was also sda but I installed in sdc
[23:33] <macgyver1> so a window said grub cannot be installed in sda please choose another disk
[23:33] <pavlos> macgyver1, so the system always boots sda and then upon configration will boot sda or sdc
[23:34] <macgyver1> pavlos yes I suppose it starts in sda but I am not sure, maybe it starts from sdb
[23:34] <macgyver1> but I suppose it starts sda
[23:35] <pavlos> macgyver1, so this a dual/triple boot with sda, sdb, and sdc
[23:35] <macgyver1> yes but I use f12 and choose if I want ubuntu
[23:36] <macgyver1> or if I dont use f12 it starts sda
[23:36] <pavlos> macgyver1, what are the other OS?
[23:36] <macgyver1> pavlos the other is windows10
[23:37] <pavlos> macgyver1, sda is win10, you did a dual boot along win10 with target sdc
[23:38] <macgyver1> pavlos I did not dual boot, I installed win10 in sda and ubuntu in sdc
[23:38] <macgyver1> pavlos so I tried to use f12 to boot from sdc
[23:39] <macgyver1> I did not mixed ubuntu and win10 in same disk
[23:39] <nacc> that's not what dual boot is
[23:39] <Bashing-om> macgyver1: Win10 is a EFI system , did you boot the installer for ubuntu also as EFI ? the 2 (MBR/EFI) are not conpatable .
[23:40] <macgyver1> Bashing-om I am not sure if ubuntu was efi
[23:41] <macgyver1> it says uefi in one disk but dont remember which is uefi
[23:42] <macgyver1> but now ubuntu does not run because of grub stuck
[23:43] <macgyver1> ok I must reboot so I come back later
[23:43] <Epx998> maybe my preseed is wrong, wrks on 14 and 16, guess 12 is way different, even tho the example seems the same
[23:44] <nacc> Epx998: so 12 is now grabbing the preseed?
[23:44] <Bashing-om> manacit: Before rebooting , does ctl+alt+F4 gain a console interface ? Maybe we can "look" .
[23:45] <doomlord> haven't tried ubuntu in a while, do any of the desktop managers handle the same multiscreen desktop switching / windowing behaviour as OSX yet (i.e. seperate desktops per monitor, and the same kind of overview with 'scale'+the desktop overview combined into one view)
[23:45] <Epx998> nacc: no, i rebooted and selected 16.  After the netconfig, it grabs the preseed and gets additional components.  On Ub12, that doesnt happen.  I looked at the precise preseed example on ubuntu - it looked ok.  granted this is uefi, but i was sent to the installer, so it should work from there forward.  at least to wehere it checks the mbr or smething
[23:46] <nacc> Epx998: well, the preseed is irrelevant if it's not grabbing it
[23:46] <bazhang> doomlord, gnome-shell has extenstions for exactly
[23:46] <bazhang> extensions
[23:46] <nacc> Epx998: all that matters is the kernel commandline and possibly the initramfs config options
[23:46] <nacc> Epx998: what are you passing to your ubuntu 12 kernel?
[23:47] <Epx998> nacc: odd it isnt working them, does 12 require different commandlines?
[23:47] <doomlord> hmm maybe i should look at that again.. haven't touched it in 1year+ .. I didn't like it's default behaviour ,but as you say it is extendable.
[23:47] <Epx998> has to be, since that is were i am saying this is your preseed
[23:47] <nacc> Epx998: it's possible that they improved things with 14.04 or at any time
[23:47] <nacc> Epx998: right :)
[23:47] <nacc> Epx998: so i'm guessing you will work fine, once you are able to get the preseed
[23:47] <bazhang> doomlord, this is not unity shell, but gnome-shell
[23:48] <Epx998> nacc: Got the correct commandline for 10 and saying this is my preseed? :D
[23:48] <Epx998> er for 12
[23:48] <bazhang> you install it, then get the extensions, installable from their website
[23:48] <doomlord> i realise they are different
[23:48] <nacc> Epx998: no, but i might be able to help if you can pastebin what you are passing
[23:48] <nacc> Epx998: (how many 12.04 are you planning on installing in the next month or so where this is relevant?)
[23:49] <doomlord> out of the box I found unity better than gnome shell,but gnome shell did have some other behaviour I was interested in (i.e. the combined view of desktops and current screen windos)
[23:53] <Epx998> nacc:  We are still using it, migration to 14 is going forward, but we have to validate our stuff on it.  There will be a need to have legacy support.  I just want to see if I can get 12 on a UEFI system, as we are planning with 14 and 16 eventually.
[23:53] <Ben64> 12.04 loses support next month, bad plan
[23:53] <Ben64> and you should really use the full version number
[23:54] <nacc> Epx998: "legacy support" beyond what is supported by Ubuntu?


[11:48] <cmaloney> morning
[11:49] <_stink_> yo
[11:57] <cmaloney> 'sup?
[12:27] <mrgoodcat> morning
[15:03] <wolfger> cmaloney: Telegram?
[15:08] <cmaloney> wolfger: Context?
[15:08] <wolfger> You made a change to Michigan Team on the wiki?
[15:09] <cmaloney> Yeah
[15:09] <cmaloney> gamerchick02 started up a Telegram chat
[15:09] <cmaloney> It's some service that people who are on their phone a lot use. :)
[15:09] <wolfger> I have no idea what that is
[15:09] <wolfger> ah, ok
[15:09] <cmaloney> She wanted to start it up, so she did. :)
[15:09] <wolfger> a very FOSS concept!
[15:10] <jrwren> yay!
[15:10] <cmaloney> On very non-FOSS software. :)
[15:10] <cmaloney> but that's a nother topid
[15:10] <cmaloney> topic
[15:10] <jrwren> telegram is nice. i wish it were a bit more open source, but its nicer than others.
[15:10] <jrwren> cmaloney: exactly.
[15:10] <jrwren> cmaloney: could be worse, it could be slack ;]
[15:10] <cmaloney> PyOhio moved to slack
[15:10] <wolfger> What's wrong with Slackware?
[15:11] <cmaloney> I don't mind slack, but it has an "always on" problem.
[15:12] <jrwren> slack is a stupid web chat. slackware is a linux distro. nothing wrong with slackware other than its not ubuntu
[15:12] <cmaloney> jrwren: And Gartner...
[15:13] <cmaloney> (still looking for something nice to say)
[15:13] <jrwren> cmaloney: the only nice thing I can say is: it was a good keynote
[15:13] <jrwren> oh, I can also say that Strength Finder 2.0 is fun.
[15:14] <cmaloney> ?
[15:14] <jrwren> its a book... a book that comes with a test, and it is fun to get results, but the test is only good for 1 book copy
[15:14] <jrwren> so its a book sales scam because its less useful to lend the book or give the used book or check out as library book
[15:15] <cmaloney> So it's a personality test?
[15:15] <cmaloney> Discover your Top 5 Strengths or buy your Full 34 report.
[15:15] <cmaloney> Discover strengths today · Lead with your strengths
[15:15] <jrwren> right
[15:15] <jrwren> like I said, its fun.
[15:15] <jrwren> not particularly valuable or useful
[15:16] <cmaloney> Heh
[15:16] <cmaloney> Sounds about as accurate as a horoscope
[15:17] <jrwren> well, slightly more so.
[15:18] <cmaloney> "You are a natural leader, but you spend too much time on the internet"
[15:18] <cmaloney> "Focus on your key principles rather than your vague enfatuations"
[15:18] <cmaloney> "$5 please"
[15:19] <jrwren> I think its $40
[15:19] <cmaloney> I'm starting my business
[15:19] <jrwren> because its free with purchase of hte book
[15:20] <cmaloney> Using a specially crafted algorithm (3d6) to give people personalized strength, intellegence, wisdom, dexterity, constitution, and charisma readings.
[15:20] <jrwren> yup
[15:20] <cmaloney> Maybe I could go 4d6, drop the lowest for an extra $5.
[15:21]  * cmaloney needs to come up with some snake-oil to sell
[15:21] <jrwren> me too
[15:22] <jrwren> but that doesnt' sound fun.
[15:22] <jrwren> need to come up with something fun to sell.
[15:22] <cmaloney> Fun is hard
[15:22] <cmaloney> scamming people is easier.
[15:23] <jrwren> i think scamming people is hard.
[15:23] <cmaloney> Not in the business world
[15:24] <cmaloney> These are the same folks that spend $400 on a putter to shave off a stroke.
[15:24] <cmaloney> and $500 on a driver to have 10 yards.
[15:24] <cmaloney> shave
[15:24] <cmaloney> s/shave/increase their shitty stroke/
[15:25] <jrwren> ah, so you want to sell to the Apple Watch Edition buyers.
[15:25] <jrwren> lol
[15:26] <cmaloney> Exactly
[15:26] <cmaloney> Anyone who wants to spend $10K on a piece of gold-plated electronics is my target audience
[15:27] <jrwren> i don't understand their values well enough to sell to them.
[15:27] <cmaloney> I'm not looking for Suzy Sufficient or Johnny Goodenuff; I want Kanye West.
[15:28] <cmaloney> I want the dude that spends $10K on a tube amp
[15:28] <cmaloney> More importantly I want toe dude who sspends $10K on ferrite cores to put in their listening room
[15:30] <jrwren> lol
[21:20] <Scary_Guy> Telegram has security issues though, I've switched to Silence (Formerly #SMSSecure )
[21:21] <cmaloney> Sadly I think most of these have flaws that have yet to be exposed
[21:21] <cmaloney> The most obvious is having their data stored in a data center.
[21:22] <Scary_Guy> yeah, that's why I like Silence.  you do a key exchange and there is no central server


[17:56] <studio-user277> hello there, im using ubuntu studio 16 in a intel chipset laptop, with a graphic card SiS mirage 3, 771, ist it a way to use it in 1024xxx resolution just like in the Installation disk? it appears with 640xxx as default, may day my friends! im really new!!


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[02:56] <tsimonq2> There, I think I made a large dent in the stack of Ubiquity bugs.
[02:56] <tsimonq2> Still a lot to go, though.
[02:57] <tsimonq2> And I have to stop because Launchpad is timing out on me now; I might have been caught by a DoS net...
[20:25] <kasper> hello
[20:26] <kasper> in the beta version of Ubuntu 18.04, the default repository seems to have clang+llvm v6 toolchain
[20:27] <kasper> this is pretty awesome. is this the version that is going to be shipped in final bits of 18.04 on April 26?
[20:55] <kasper> sorry for not following all ethics of reporting bug, but #ubuntu channel is full of trolls and vultures ready to tear you appart as soon as you say something. so i will report my case here
[20:55] <kasper> i asked a question couple of weeks ago about lldb-dev v6 package, that is published at apt.llvm.org that why is the API directory missing from the pacakge,
[20:56] <kasper> the nice friendly crowd of #llvm told me to gfms and report it to llvm, so i reported it here https://bugs.llvm.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36770
[20:56] <ubot5`> llvm.org bug 36770 in deb packages "LLDB.h is missing from liblldb-6.0-dev package" [Enhancement,New]
[20:56] <ubot5-ng> bugs.llvm.org bug 36770 in deb packages "LLDB.h is missing from liblldb-6.0-dev package" [Enhancement, New] - Assigned to unassignedbugs
[20:56] <ubot5`> bug 36770 in gxine "Change the volume PCM to 50%" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36770
[20:56] <kasper> now someone has ported that lldb package to apt official repo
[20:57] <kasper> along with the missing API directory which has "LLDB.h" (capitalization is verbatim in fs), which is essentials for some downstream packages
[20:58] <kasper> so my question; is this by design or really a bug?
[20:59] <kasper> if it is really a bug, that all previous versions of lldb-<version>-dev packages had the API dir, and the fact that the directory is present in branch https://github.com/llvm-mirror/lldb/tree/release_60/include/lldb/API
[20:59] <kasper> i can report to the right place, pending confirmation
[21:00] <kasper> if nobody can confirm it either on #llvm #lldb #ubuntu #ubuntu-bugs, and Ubuntu 18.04 is going to get shipped with it, then it will break some downstream packages and make some humans sad.
[21:01] <kasper> so please if you know a guy who knows a guy who knows an llvm/lldb guy, ask around and do right by this package


[00:48] <locodir-user> hello
[00:48] <locodir-user> anyone out there?
[00:49] <locodir-user> I guess everyone is gone
[00:49] <cprofitt> I am here
[00:49] <locodir-user> hi
[00:49] <cprofitt> what can I assist you with?
[00:49] <locodir-user> this is my first time on here
[00:49] <cprofitt> welcome... glad to have you here
[00:49] <locodir-user> thank you
[00:50] <locodir-user> So I was reading the portion about contributing to ubuntu
[00:50]  * cprofitt listens
[00:50] <locodir-user> Im a computer science major, so I would like to do something with coding
[00:51] <locodir-user> or something along those lines
[00:51] <cprofitt> awesome.
[00:51] <locodir-user> but im still a beginner
[00:51] <locodir-user> I guess what Im looking for is to get my feet wet
[00:51] <cprofitt> well... as always I would recommend doing some things with your local team
[00:51] <cprofitt> what part of the world are you in?
[00:51] <locodir-user> southern california
[00:51] <locodir-user> USA
[00:52] <cprofitt> cali has an active team
[00:52] <locodir-user> really?
[00:52] <cprofitt> this is a general link:
[00:52] <cprofitt>
[00:52] <cprofitt> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/developers
[00:52] <cprofitt> to the developer stuff
[00:52] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam
[00:52] <cprofitt> the California team
[00:53] <locodir-user> cool, thank you
[00:53] <cprofitt> the best thing is to get to know the community hang with some folks on IRC
[00:53] <cprofitt> learn how to use launchpad
[00:54] <cprofitt> working with testing and QA is also always a needed thing
[00:55] <locodir-user> ok...yeah Im willing to do anything to get some kind of real world experience, and if I can help along the way then its a double win
[00:55] <cprofitt> well... working on bugs is a great way to get exposed to things
[00:55] <locodir-user> cool
[00:55] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[00:55] <locodir-user> I know some html, javascript, css, and java programming
[00:55] <cprofitt> from there you can submit patches
[00:55] <locodir-user> ok
[00:55] <cprofitt> and then learn how to do commits, etc.
[00:56] <cprofitt> ooh... well if your more web oriented you could also help the loco.ubuntu.com developers
[00:56] <locodir-user> Im actually sitting in class right now....lol!
[00:56] <cprofitt> lol
[00:57] <locodir-user> could you send me the link for the web stuff? please
[00:57] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/loco-directory
[00:57] <mhall119> locodir-user: or you can /join #ubuntu-website
[00:57] <cprofitt> was just looking for that mhall119
[00:57] <cprofitt> locodir-user mhall119 is one of the lead devs for loco directory
[00:58] <cprofitt> and a great resource as you move forward
[00:58] <mhall119> cprofitt: locodir-user: https://launchpad.net/community-web-projects is our parent project
[00:58] <locodir-user> ok thank you mhall119 and cprofitt
[01:04] <locodir-user> I know im gonna sound like a super rookie...but I love the wabbly windows
[06:54] <dholbach> good morning
[07:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:19] <dholbach> should https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-illinois be in https://launchpad.net/~locoteams?
[11:21] <czajkowski> not seen it in the queue to add
[11:21] <czajkowski> hmmm
[11:21] <czajkowski> paultag: ^^^ any ideas
[11:22] <czajkowski> and it should be ubuntu-us-illinois no ?
[12:26] <paultag> czajkowski: ohai
[12:27] <paultag> dholbach: humm. let me take a look
[12:27] <paultag> Odd, it looks like ~ubuntu-chicago is under that team, which is locoteams[-approved]
[12:28] <paultag> if they're just calling chicago illinois, we might as well grant them the same rights and revoke chicago's, and get them back indirectly
[12:28] <paultag> czajkowski: dholbach: I have a feeling we should involve chicago in this discussion
[12:38] <dholbach> whatever works for you, yes
[13:01] <mhall119> czajkowski: someone posted the "cheap flights" video to ISD
[13:01] <mhall119> it's hillarious
[13:06] <nigelb> mhall119: what video/
[13:07] <mhall119> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPyl2tOaKxM
[13:08] <nigelb> hahaha
[13:10] <czajkowski> paultag: um.... the guy on chhicago team agrees with the name change
[13:11] <czajkowski> damit
[13:11] <czajkowski> kubuntu guy
[13:11] <czajkowski> cycles a lot
[13:11] <nigelb> nixternal
[13:11] <paultag> nixternal rules
[13:12] <czajkowski> yes
[13:12] <czajkowski> him
[13:12] <czajkowski> he does
[13:12] <czajkowski> he rants about biking
[13:12] <czajkowski> I rant about rugby
[13:12] <mhall119> hmmm, rugby on bicycles....
[13:15] <paultag> it'd be like modern day polo
[13:24] <cprofitt> I just see a scrum of mountain bikes
[13:26] <czajkowski> http://youtu.be/RS3iB47nQ6E
[13:28] <cprofitt> funny comercial...
[13:34] <cprofitt> interesting rugby vid - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00tYsKfByhM
[13:34] <czajkowski> paultag: you're missing from channel
[13:34] <czajkowski> please join
[16:53] <bkerensa> czajkowski: :P No CD's for unapproved ;)
[16:53] <bkerensa> oh well
[16:53] <czajkowski> bkerensa: not our call
[16:53] <czajkowski> that was done durin the last cycle from Canonical.
[16:53] <bkerensa> I know :)
[16:54] <bkerensa> I'm sure if I can get a couple hundred for t-shirts sponsored for Global Jam and now for Ocelot release I can get someone to cover CD's
[16:54] <bkerensa> :)
[16:55] <czajkowski> burn em
[16:55] <czajkowski> and ask pleia2 about the cd cover that -ca created for their team to put cds into
[16:55] <czajkowski> bkerensa: most teams burn a lot them selves
[16:55] <pleia2> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california/+junk/2010branding-sleeves :)
[16:56] <pleia2> available in SVG, so you can edit as needed
[16:56] <bkerensa> pleia2: Cool I will reach out and see about getting a batch made for us and WA team :)
[16:56] <pleia2> we're an approved team, but we still end up burning hundreds per cycle since we have so many events
[16:56] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah I think ultimately we might just have a bunch of USB's made
[16:57] <pleia2> there is a black and white version of the sleeves, I just print a bunch up on my printer
[16:57] <bkerensa> =o
[16:57] <pleia2> unfortunately USB sticks are still expensive, even in bulk
[16:57] <bkerensa> yeah but you can format at each release and just make new ones for people
[16:58] <bkerensa> while CD's end up in the trash within a few months
[16:58] <pleia2> oh yeah, for installfests and demos they're great, not so much for giving away :)
[16:58] <bkerensa> FreeGeek is trying to offload thousands of Ubuntu CD's that are old releases
[16:58] <bkerensa> and I was like... uhh I have no use for such
[16:58] <pleia2> any of them LTS?
[16:58] <pleia2> we can always use those
[16:58] <bkerensa> Umm I think so let me check
[16:58] <bkerensa> :D
[17:22] <paultag> me.pault.ag/stalker.py <- debian changes, live in your terminal!
[17:23] <paultag> sweet awesomeness, batman!
[17:29] <mhall119> cool
[19:12] <locodir-user> Hola
[19:12] <mhall119> bonjour
[19:12] <locodir-user>  algun miembro de locoteam
[19:12] <locodir-user>  en el cual pueda hablar
[19:12] <mhall119> :/
[19:12] <locodir-user>  o comunciarme por medio de correo
[19:12] <mhall119> !es
[19:12] <ubot4> En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.


[02:30] <jbicha_> darkxst: are you running gnome-shell 3.7.91 with gnome-control-center 3.7?
[02:30] <darkxst> jbicha_, yes
[02:32] <jbicha_> ok, all of the Settings links in the right side of the top bar work except for Bluetooth Settings
[02:33] <jbicha_> before, only the Settings link worked, how about for you?
[02:34] <darkxst> yeh all working ( I don't have bluetooth)
[02:35] <jbicha_> thanks
[02:35] <darkxst> strangely "open calender" launches gedit
[02:36] <jbicha_> oh that's another fun bug, see bug 841409
[02:37] <jbicha_> I suppose that's an argument for not removing Evolution... :|
[02:55] <darkxst> yeh
[02:55] <darkxst> jbicha_, have you tried building g-c-c update?
[02:57] <jbicha_> darkxst: no I'm just running the regular GNOME3 PPA so it wasn't high priority for me yet :)
[02:59] <darkxst> right, goa panel seems quite broken with updated libgoa, so though I would try update g-c-c, but its complaining about missing eggs http://paste.ubuntu.com/5592121/
[03:51] <darkxst> goa panel is completely broken now
[04:43] <darkxst> jbicha, does thunderbird have UOA integration? (on vanilla ubuntu)?
[04:50] <jbicha> I don't think so but I don't know for sure
[04:58] <darkxst> this commit effectively bumped the goa required to 3.7.91 https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=0641c2494bdf7cf8945bc76fa8e7fe0cd9c59a15
[05:12] <darkxst> jbicha, I suppose time is running out to get spidermonkey/gjs updated ;(
[05:15] <jbicha> darkxst: yeah, I support your proposal but not enough to sponsor it into the Ubuntu archives for you without other developers saying it's ok
[05:16] <darkxst> yeh unfortunately it really got lost in the flood or RR discussions
[05:16] <jbicha> it'd be a lot easier at the beginning of a release cycle or once Fedora or Debian or someone else picks it up
[05:18] <jbicha> you could try talking to the Debian guys in #debian-gnome on OFTC
[05:21] <darkxst> I tried a bunch of times
[05:21] <darkxst> but probably timezone issues as usual
[05:22] <jbicha> they're mostly Europe-based
[05:22] <jbicha> it took a long time for mozjs to get into Debian in the first place; there's only a few people who want to deal with that kind of package
[05:23] <darkxst> so their working hours are my sleeping hours then
[08:28] <darkxst> ricotz, can you upload this to g3-staging?
[08:28] <darkxst> http://pastebin.com/kb77Kem4
[08:29] <darkxst> (this will be needed for g-c-c update)
[08:30] <ricotz> darkxst, i see, but not in this form, remove the debian-version suffix from the symbols file and state it was updated in changelog
[08:30] <ricotz> and using ~raring1
[08:33] <ricotz> darkxst, and sync it with 3.7.90-1 from experimental
[08:35] <darkxst> ricotz, hmm right, I havent done that before.
[08:36] <ricotz> darkxst, it was already a sync, so just grab the debian package and update it
[08:36] <ricotz> pull-debian-source gnome-online-accounts experimental
[08:45] <ricotz> darkxst, also don't forget to compare the configure.ac files to spot dependency changes
[08:51] <ricotz> darkxst, i started to take a look
[08:51] <darkxst> ricotz, ah almost done
[08:53] <ricotz> darkxst, do you know if the location of goaconfig.h is intended?
[08:54] <darkxst> ricotz, I assume so, plenty of others there
[08:55] <darkxst> i.e *config.h under /usr/lib/x86
[08:57] <ricotz> yeah
[08:58] <ricotz> darkxst, but use /usr/lib/*/goa-1.0/include/*
[09:02] <ricotz> what is the reasoning for "Twitter and yahoo providers are removed" the confflags and references are still there
[09:04] <darkxst> see rishi
[09:04] <darkxst> in gnome-hackers
[09:04] <darkxst> ^comments
 darkxst: I think https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695236
 Bug 695236: critical, High, ---, gnome-online-accounts-maint, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Crash on "Add an online account"
 darkxst: Don't enable Twitter/Yahoo. They are gone from gnome-3-8 post-3.7.91.
 Nothing uses them.
 rishi, ah, have removed and will try again
[09:06] <ricotz> darkxst, i see
[09:06] <darkxst> ricotz, updated http://pastebin.com/kb77Kem4
[09:06] <ricotz> darkxst, dont update the already present symbols
[09:07] <ricotz> drop libnotify-dev
[09:07] <ricotz> and install the css file
[09:09] <ricotz> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-online-accounts/commit/?id=06928f928fb120494a6dd7d90ae24af667042dd1
[09:09] <ricotz> seeing such a commit dosnt really fit in the "removal plan"
[09:11] <ricotz> and drop the leading "/" in libgoa-1.0-dev.install
[09:14] <ricotz> darkxst, i will be back later
[09:14] <darkxst> ok
[09:46] <sgo11> hi, after installing ubuntu gnome remix, sometimes my laptop can not be shutdown properly with the shutdown button provided by gnome. This happens randomly. when it happens, everything seems off including the screen is black, the keyboard is no longer functional etc... But the led lights and fans of laptop are still running. do anyone have any clues? thanks.
[12:48] <ricotz> darkxst, did you finish goa?
[18:17] <jbicha> I think sabdfl wants us to still have Remix in our name
[20:31] <darkxst> ricotz, yes http://pastebin.com/gwNNVT5n
[20:32] <darkxst> ricotz, so according to rishi, twitter provider is likely going to be removed due to legal concerns
[20:33] <darkxst> yahoo provider will be left in, incase someone wants to use it in the future, but the confflags will be removed from stable release
[20:35] <darkxst> jbicha, I did see his post re not using 'edition', has he said something further?
[20:37] <jbicha> well he doesn't always say things himself directly
[20:38] <jbicha> but there was https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-March/001524.html
[20:42] <darkxst> yeh thats the one I saw
[21:34] <darkxst> g-c-c http://pastebin.com/VmMSNXWr (depends on the new goa posted earlier)
[22:54] <ricotz> darkxst, i pushed goa to staging, thanks!
[23:58] <darkxst> oh, we are missing the new clocks app


[00:00] <BobJonkman1> If not, we can leave it until there's a desperate, pent-up demand...
[00:00] <BobJonkman1> OK, let me know, either here in the #ubuntu-ca channel, or on the mailing list.
[00:01] <Katherine> Is interest really declining or are there just people temporarily away?
[00:01] <BobJonkman1> It's been quiet all over, so I think people may just be enjoying the last few days of nice weather
[00:02] <BobJonkman1> But there's the possibility that Ubuntu (and Linux in general) have become so mainstream that there is no longer a need for specialized groups.
[00:02] <Katherine> The weather is unlikely to be this warm late in October.
[00:02] <BobJonkman1> I'll bet there were Telephone User Groups back in Alex Bell's day
[00:03] <BobJonkman1> But you don't see TUGs around any more, either
[00:03] <BobJonkman1> I dunno, we've had some nice days around Hallowe'en in the past.
[00:03] <BobJonkman1> But I also remember trekking door-to-door with my son through the snow
[00:04] <Katherine> They could have used party lines for their meetings.
[00:04] <BobJonkman1> :)
[00:04] <BobJonkman1> If you want a meeting, let me know.
[00:05] <BobJonkman1> Or even better, just pop over to the Ubuntu-ca LoCo page and schedule one yourself.
[00:05] <BobJonkman1> The Ubuntu Hours in Guelph are new, and have been pretty popular (both of them) :|
[00:06] <BobJonkman1> Katherine: If you schedule a meeting or an Ubuntu Hour then I'll come.
[00:07] <Katherine> I don't really know enough about what's going on to schedule meetings but I'll try to attend if meetings are scheduled.
[00:08] <BobJonkman1> :) OK.  It's pretty easy, just go to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ca/ and log in with your Launchpad ID, then you can create a new event
[00:09] <BobJonkman1> We've been using "Event" to schedule a meeting since the "Meeting" interface is pretty clunky.  "Event" does what we want, even for meetings
[00:09] <BobJonkman1> So give it a shot.  If you schedule the meeting I'll take care of putting up an agenda.  We can do the meeting announcements together
[00:10] <BobJonkman1> All right, if there's nothing else, I'll #endmeeting
[00:11] <BobJonkman1> (we're already at T-plus 10 minutes and counting for the meeting end :) )
[00:11] <BobJonkman1> #endmeeting
[00:11] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Sep 27 00:12:01 2013 UTC.
[00:11] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ca/2013/ubuntu-ca.2013-09-26-23.01.moin.txt
[00:11] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ca/2013/ubuntu-ca.2013-09-26-23.01.html
[00:11] <BobJonkman1> So that's that!
[00:12] <scaldra> Is this where the Ubuntu Kootenay's meet up?
[00:12] <BobJonkman1> Hi scaldra: Yes, they can.
[00:12] <BobJonkman1> I think KombuchaKip is from that area
[00:12] <BobJonkman1> West Coast, anyway.  That's close, right?
[00:13] <Katherine> Bob: Good luck with your talk.  I probably won't be at SFD until later if I make it at all.
[00:13] <BobJonkman1> Katherine: OK, hope to see you, even for a short while
[00:14] <KombuchaKip> BobJonkman1: Close, a few hours away.
[00:14] <BobJonkman1> scaldra: I'm not sure how active the Kootenay group is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Kootenay
[00:15] <BobJonkman1> When I was in Europe, someone asked if I knew his cousin in Newfoundland.
[00:15] <scaldra> Yeah the site doesn't even work
[00:15] <BobJonkman1> Newfoundland might actually be closer to Europe than Ontario.
[00:15] <BobJonkman1> Canada is *really* big
[00:16] <BobJonkman1> scaldra: So, there's a project for you!  Revive interest in Ubuntu-ca-kootenay !
[00:16] <scaldra> Will try :)
[00:16] <Katherine> I guess people in other countries never look at Canada on a world map.
[00:17] <scaldra> I'll l start by hanging out here
[00:17] <BobJonkman1> Easiest thing is to hold an Ubuntu Hour. Just make an announcement on the mailing list, maybe put up a poster, and then go have a coffee with friends at a coffeeshop.
[00:18] <BobJonkman1> scaldra: Hanging out here is great!
[00:19] <BobJonkman1> I like the mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca
[00:19] <BobJonkman1> Lots of folks there. It's an informal advice channel, announcements about events, philosophical discussion on free software, you name it!
[00:19] <scaldra> Also my user is actually oo-dragon so you know for later
[00:20] <BobJonkman1> OK, but you may need to remind me.  Is that your Launchpad username?
[00:21] <scaldra> But not at home, so quickly tried to setup irc on my phone to get in time for meeting
[00:22] <scaldra> I think so...
[00:22] <BobJonkman1> I'll post minutes on the Wiki shortly, but here's the link: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ca/2013/ubuntu-ca.2013-09-26-23.01.html
[00:24] <scaldra> Well I'm going to head home, so I'll be back later tonight!
[23:32] <azend|pub> hey, anyone around?
[23:42] <BobJonkman1> azend, hi!
[23:43] <BobJonkman1> azend|pub: Hi to you too!


[22:00] <fellitin2000> I have been a big Ubuntu supporter but needs some clean up.
[22:01] <fellitin2000> Rermove the mail applet from the upper bar
[22:01] <fellitin2000> remove the Amazon web app from applications, there is no option to remove that
[22:02] <fellitin2000> apply the "Fix Ubuntu" website recommendation in regards to protecting privacy
[22:03] <fellitin2000> include a more powerful firewall
[22:03] <fellitin2000> that's why I swithced to Opensuse


[15:28] <LeoNerd> Ever since a recent(ish?) apt update, I notice that `bzr` is slower to start now. Every command, regardless of what it is.. even `bzr help`, spins a bunch of CPU time for about a second before it does anything
[15:29] <LeoNerd> It's not huuugely problematic but it is a bit annoying, because it didn't used to do that
[18:29] <jelmer> LeoNerd: interesting
[18:29] <jelmer> between what versions is this?
[19:10] <LeoNerd> Ah unsure what it used to be but I can report what it is now
[19:11] <LeoNerd> Breezy (brz) 3.3.1
[19:11] <LeoNerd> (even running  bzr --version  took a while)
[19:12] <jelmer> what's a while?
[19:12] <jelmer> here (3.3.2) I get:
[19:12] <jelmer> /usr/bin/brz version  0.11s user 0.01s system 99% cpu 0.126 total
[19:16] <jelmer> Other things that might be helpful is if you have any plugins installed
[21:07] <jelmer> I'm not aware of anything we've changed that could have triggered a performance regression; if anything, the opposite
[21:07] <jelmer> but it's possible we inadvertently broke something
[21:07] <LeoNerd> user    0m0.860s
[21:07] <LeoNerd> It might have been an overall python update