[07:58] <inetpro> .
[11:27] <chesedo> I'm having a weird issue that some network guys might be able to figure
[11:28] <chesedo> I have been trying to solve a problem relating to connection to my public IP which seems to just get blocked...
[11:28] <chesedo> and have a server that i rent in DE which i am trying to use to debug this...
[11:29] <chesedo> but i lost my connection to the DE server which have happened before and logged into the web interface to see if it is stil up
[11:30] <chesedo> From the web interface in is up and i can start a virtual console from there...
[11:31] <chesedo> now in the virtual console i can ping <IP_ADDRESS> and what not except for for public ip
[11:32] <chesedo> and the same from my lappy which is on the other side of the public ip (expect for being able to react the DE server)
[11:32] <chesedo> So i ran a traceroute (using mtr) on both...
[11:34] <chesedo> From my public ip (which is <IP_ADDRESS>) the in uses <IP_ADDRESS> and then <IP_ADDRESS> which then looses the connection some 15 hops later...
[11:35] <chesedo> but from the DE server it reaches <IP_ADDRESS> (not 245) after about 15 hops with the next hop being undetermined...
[11:37] <chesedo> so it seem that some arp (or other) issue exists on the <IP_ADDRESS>/24 network?
[12:10] <chesedo> oh that should be routing issue, but then i now also spotted that there are a few addresses in the route that differ but are in the same subset (assuming /32)
[16:10] <Cryterion_> chesedo, are you trying to access a local machine from outside the public ip?
[18:03] <Cryterion> .
[18:44] <chesedo> Cryterion: the public ip has port forwards to a local machine yes - which is the original issue i'm trying to sort - but then the complete connection to the public ip (pings) went down as described above
[18:46] <chesedo> or the shh connection from me (behind the public ip) to the DE server so that i can fix the original issue
[18:50] <Cryterion> DE server is the one at <IP_ADDRESS>?
[18:51] <chesedo> no that's my public ip
[18:51] <chesedo> DE is <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:52] <Cryterion> ping and ssh went through fine, although I can't login as don't have user acc
[18:53] <chesedo> that the thing, using a third ip I can get to both
[18:53] <chesedo> but they cannot get to each other
[18:54] <Cryterion> I'm reading this as, you can't connect from behind the 41 ip?
[18:54] <chesedo> well i can get to the DE server via a web interface of the provider
[18:54] <Cryterion> but not ssh
[18:55] <chesedo> yes, and using the web interface i cannot get to 41 either
[18:55] <chesedo> not even pings
[18:55] <chesedo> that is a virtual terminal in the web ui
[18:56] <Cryterion> does the server have any ip banning configured, I know mines setup to ban 24hrs on ssh fail
[18:57] <chesedo> no, but the providers might
[18:58] <chesedo> i did an nmap scan from the DE to the 41 just before it went down
[18:58] <chesedo> well, it went down during...
[18:58] <Cryterion> can you get into terminal via the web based ui
[18:59] <chesedo> yes
[18:59] <chesedo> it is just slow
[19:00] <Cryterion> chk if you have iptables running
[19:00] <Cryterion> you'll need to be root
[19:01] <chesedo> waiting for the ui...
[19:01] <Cryterion> sudo iptables - that will let us know if it's installed
[19:02] <chesedo> yip v1.6.0
[19:02] <Cryterion> sudo service iptables stop
[19:02] <Cryterion> that'll stop the ip banning, try ssh afterwards
[19:03] <Cryterion> I hope, just trying things out to help
[19:04] <chesedo> hmm, 'failed to stop.... unit iptables.servie not loaded'
[19:04] <Cryterion> hmm
[19:04] <chesedo> nat table is empty
[19:04] <chesedo> now checking filters...
[19:05] <Cryterion> ok so if that's not running, gonna check a few things, brb
[19:06] <chesedo> filter table is empty too
[19:07] <Cryterion> other one is FailToBan
[19:08] <chesedo> hmm, the DE server is only a mail server with nginx for webmail
[19:09] <Cryterion> check in /etc/ if you have a fail2ban dir
[19:09] <chesedo> ...modoboa to be specific
[19:10] <Cryterion> I used iRedMail, so mines different
[19:10] <Cryterion> but looking it up
[19:10] <chesedo> nope, no fail2ban dir
[19:12] <Cryterion> I'm trying to find out which one your mail system is using modoboa looks like a python based mail server
[19:12] <chesedo> yes it is py based
[19:16] <Cryterion> chesedo, join #modoboa
[19:17] <chesedo> ty Cryterion did so...
[19:19] <Cryterion> I'm transfering our chat there, that seems to right channel for it, if we can't come right together, someone else there could help
[19:19] <chesedo> yip...
[19:20] <chesedo> although i think this might have happened in the past - i just took it as the server being down - so am thinking that it might also be a service provider located...
[19:21] <chesedo> might have to email my isp tomorrow
[19:23] <chesedo> btw, ty Cryterion for the help so far
[19:24] <Cryterion> np


[00:32] <bregma> hey robru question for you: I have an old silo with a bunch of MPs for packages I want to get rid of, is there a way to remove them or should I just abandon the silo and start afresh?
[01:03] <robru> bregma: you can abandon and reassign the same ticket, no need to make a new ticket. I'm also capable of clearing out the old packages but I'm afk and in vacation ;-)
[03:05] <bzoltan_> jibel: 047
[03:06] <bzoltan_> jibel: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1322
[05:59] <jibel> bzoltan_, ok, it's already in our queue, I thought there was another one.
[06:00] <jibel> bzoltan_, it should land this week
[06:00] <bzoltan_> jibel:  given that you will not find a problem what I missed
[06:00] <ToyKeeper> charles, ondra: Question for you on ticket 1299 (indicator-display): https://trello.com/c/gzf3hdwh/3111-1299-ubuntu-landing-035-indicator-display-charles-ondra
[06:00] <bzoltan_> jibel: :)
[07:10] <mterry> trainguards: got an odd publish error, what's this mean? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-033-2-publish/3/console
[07:11] <robru> mterry: it means everything published successfully
[07:11] <mterry> robru, got a funny way of showing it!
[07:12] <robru> mterry: (the error is that there's no artifacts, artifacts are only used for publishing to archive, but duals go to overlay ppa)
[07:12] <robru> mterry: yeah Jenkins is poorly configured, sorry
[07:12] <mterry> robru, huh ok I get that
[07:12] <mterry> robru, but yup ^ merging, cool
[07:13] <mterry> robru, thanks man
[07:13] <robru> mterry: you're welcome. Jenkins is slowly on its way out so things will make more sense eventually
[07:51] <oSoMoN> Mirv, good morning! do you have permissions to re-run the failed run at https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-010/excuses.html ? I apparently don’t
[07:54] <jibel> sil2100, do I need a silo to revert lxc in xenial in the overlay or you just copy the packges?
[07:58] <oSoMoN> jibel, do you know if there are packages in the archive with autopkgtests that run autopilot tests? I wanna do that for webbrowser-app but getting "X11: DisplayNameError('',)" when the tests are run by britney
[07:58] <sil2100> jibel: let me just copy those over, only the lxc source was needing revert right?
[07:59] <sil2100> What about the fixed lxc-android-config?
[07:59] <jibel> yeah we'd need to revert to lxc 2.0.0~rc2-0ubuntu2
[08:00] <jibel> sil2100, and this change in lxc-android-config.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/16092480/
[08:01] <jibel> sil2100, devel-proposed won't be awesome, but at least it'll boot
[08:01] <jibel> (all the scopes are blank, cannot setup wifi, cellular connection is unreliable, clicks don't work, lot of blank pages everywhere, ...)
[08:06] <sil2100> Ok
[08:06] <sil2100> Remember, devel-proposed is yakkety right now, so staging will be awesome - I'll leave yakkety as it is
[08:08] <jibel> sil2100, right, staging
[08:08] <jibel> won't be awesome either
[08:41] <oSoMoN> sil2100, hey, do you have permissions to re-run the failed run at https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-010/excuses.html ? I apparently don’t
[08:42] <Saviq> mterry, can you recycle for oSoMoN ↑
[08:42] <Saviq> and we really need to look into the wizard tests
[08:44] <sil2100> oSoMoN: on it
[08:44] <sil2100> oSoMoN: re-running
[08:45] <jibel> oSoMoN, not from the top of my head. Maybe autopilot itself?
[08:45] <oSoMoN> Saviq, sil2100: thanks
[08:45] <oSoMoN> Saviq, is that test known to be flaky?
[08:45] <Saviq> oSoMoN, yes
[08:46] <oSoMoN> :/
[08:46] <oSoMoN> jibel, thanks, I’ll check autopilot itself
[08:47] <jibel> oSoMoN, if the failing test is test_account something, it's a know flaky test fixed in another silo
[08:48] <oSoMoN> good
[08:48] <Saviq> oSoMoN, we've got a landing which fixes that up for QA already, though
[08:49] <oSoMoN> jibel, given that it’s the only failed test and that it’s known to be flaky, is it really worth a re-run? or can silo 10 go to QA validation directly maybe?
[08:49] <jibel> oSoMoN, I'll move it to ready
[08:49] <oSoMoN> cheers
[08:51] <oSoMoN> autopilot doesn’t seem to have autopkgtests
[08:52] <jibel> oSoMoN, we have a discussion next week to run autopilot tests as part of the landings after autopkgtests and before manual verification
[08:52] <jibel> oSoMoN, we'll start with unity8 but can also involve you in the discussion if you want to
[08:52] <oSoMoN> jibel, fwiw I always run the autopilot tests myself on at least one device and desktop before marking a silo ready for QA, and I would expect others to do the same
[08:53] <oSoMoN> running the tests really is (should be) part of the development process
[09:24] <Mirv> oSoMoN: mterry sorry guys I'm not feeling well today
[11:04] <jibel> davmor2, ^ thanks!
[11:06] <davmor2> jibel: no worries nice improvement in speed/flow on krillin and frieza with it :) which I'm sure Mirv will confirm for you :)
[11:08] <jibel> davmor2, I confirm. I tried it too
[11:16] <rvr> Mirv: mzanetti: Apart from the usual location apps, anything else to check in silo 67?
[11:16] <oSoMoN> jibel, I’m not seeing silo 10 on the QA trello board, anything (other than the unity8 flaky test) blocking it?
[11:18] <rvr> oSoMoN: Automated Signoff	Failed
[11:18] <rvr> oSoMoN: I think is that
[11:19] <sil2100> \o/
[11:19] <jibel> oSoMoN, looking
[11:20] <jibel> oSoMoN, the status was still 'Required'
[11:20] <jibel> changed again
[11:20] <oSoMoN> jibel, thanks
[11:21] <davmor2> and sil2100 there randomly cheering for himself
[11:21] <sil2100> I'm just cheering for the mir silo, woo!
[11:23] <sil2100> seb128: hey! We have a new ABI bump of mir with new sonames, can I get a +1 from your archive-admin binNEW powers on it? All looks good as always:
[11:23] <sil2100> https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_39a8dbb93caf4ec889f8a1b7f69885db/bileto-1303/2016-04-27_09:13:44/xenial/mir/packaging_changes.diff
[11:24] <seb128> sil2100, why is that change not documented in the changelog?
[11:24] <seb128> -               android-headers (>=4.4.2) [i386 amd64 armhf],
[11:24] <seb128> +               android-headers-23,
[11:24] <seb128> the arch list is not needed anymore?
[11:25] <seb128> looks fine otherwise
[11:37] <mzanetti> rvr, one sec, I'll give you an app to test with
[11:38] <mzanetti> rvr, http://notyetthere.org/data/mambogps.mzanetti_0.1_armhf.click
[11:38] <rvr> mzanetti: Ack
[11:38] <mzanetti> rvr, without the silo, routing will not work
[11:38] <mzanetti> rvr, with the silo, it should
[11:39] <rvr> mzanetti: These test instructions should be added to the silo :-/
[11:39] <mzanetti> rvr, right... sorry... I didn't set up that silo and Mirv did not know about this app
[11:41] <rvr> mzanetti: How do I add a route?
[11:44] <mzanetti> rvr, bottom edge
[11:45] <rvr> mzanetti: Nice, it works
[11:45] <mzanetti> cool :)
[11:46] <rvr> Silo approved
[12:53] <rvr> oSoMoN: Hi
[12:54] <rvr> oSoMoN: I'm testing silo 10. I shared a link to twitter, but I can't see the title
[12:56] <rvr> oSoMoN: Hmm.. reading the bug thread, seems it needs changes in other projects. So, anything special to check?
[13:13] <oSoMoN> rvr, indeed, there’s also a bug in content-hub, so there is no visible change in the browser atm
[13:14] <oSoMoN> so nothing to check, really
[13:14] <oSoMoN> rvr, you can check that when sharing a link the URL is correctly being shared (no regression)
[13:16] <rvr> oSoMoN: Yeah, it shares the URL fine
[13:17] <rvr> oSoMoN: Then, approving the silo
[13:22] <oSoMoN> rvr, thanks
[13:25] <oSoMoN> Mirv, sil2100: can one of you publish silo 10 please? I’m not allowed to due to packaging changes
[13:50] <kenvandine> tedg, did you get a preNEW review for silo 53?
[13:51] <tedg> kenvandine: For the polkit agent?
[13:51] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:51] <tedg> kenvandine: Yes, I got seb128 to review it, and suggest changes. He wanted to double check those changes but is sprinting.
[13:52] <kenvandine> ok
[13:52] <kenvandine> tedg, so you made the changes right?
[13:52] <tedg> kenvandine: Yes, of course :-)
[13:53] <kenvandine> sure... :)
[13:54] <kenvandine> tedg, i'm going to hold off publishing it then
[14:17] <awe_> sil2100, morphis asked me about the required change to livecd-rootfs that we want to coordinate with the NM 1.2 landing
[14:17] <awe_> it looks like davmor2 will finish silo testing today
[14:42] <davmor2> morphis: get ready for it
[14:49] <bzoltan_> Mirv: or sil2100: would you know somebody who could trigger a retest for this https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-047/excuses.html ?
[15:20] <greyback> sil2100: hey, dednick and I flashed our mako with latest rc-proposed, but noticed that the mir version that is installed is from vivid, not from the overlay
[15:20] <greyback> something seems to be preventing the newer mir installing
[15:45] <greyback> sil2100: please ignore, whatever it was has gone away
[16:32] <Mirv> bzoltan_: restarting
[16:33] <Saviq> trainguards, can someone please copy oxide (both vivid and xenial) in ppa:saviq/train to silo 69, thanks!
[16:33] <Saviq> (and potentially cancel the current builds so that we don't waste builders' time)
[16:45] <Mirv> Saviq: done
[16:45] <Saviq> Mirv, thanks
[16:52] <Saviq> sil2100, can you please recycle the failure in https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-027/excuses.html - I'll keep an eye out for whether it repeats
[17:12] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  would you do the same for th eamd64 too please https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-047/excuses.html
[18:25] <kgunn> trainguards could someone retrigger arm64 vivid build on https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1336
[18:40] <robru> kgunn: done
[18:40] <kgunn> thanks
[18:41] <robru> Yw
[20:03] <jgdx> rvr, I'm here for an hour if you need anything
[21:44] <tedg> When will xenial-overlay packages be pushed into Yakety


 @wxl [<wxl> if people could test this fix, that would be great: bug 1795278], the bug is from 2018!!!
 wxl: where is the patch?  didn't found it on https://git.launchpad.net/software-properties/
 I think it is in the bug report.
 mm, didn't find it
 I guess it wasn't so much a patch as it was directions on how to create a patch.
[00:51] <wxl> @HMollerCl it's a thing few people take advantage of. the dupe was recently reported. i had 15 minutes so i dug up info on how to fix it, but didn't make a patch, as @kc2bez suggested
 aaa, ok
 the problem,for me to test it is I don't know which is teh expected result
[00:55] <wxl> tl;dr clicking on the "add key" button or whatever it should open a file picker and not error out :)
 aa ok
[00:55] <wxl> run software-properties-qt in a terminal
[00:55] <wxl> ^^ @RikMills you might want to test this too
 @wxl [<wxl> run software-properties-qt in a terminal], yeah, I know it I ported additiona driver tab
[00:56] <wxl> i'm not a professional python programmer so i really don't know if that string cast is good form or not
 I'm not proffessional either, but if it works it's better than If it don't
[00:58] <wxl> totally
[00:58] <wxl> i'm baffled as to how these apparently equivalent libraries (kurl inherited qurl actually) are totally different
[00:59] <wxl> just saying, though: .toString didn't work right
 @wxl [<wxl> i'm not a professional python programmer so i really don't know if that st …], I don't even play one on TV XD
[01:00] <wxl> heheheheh
 wxl there is a big change from qt4 to qt5  now they allow strings (instead of only QStrings)
[01:05] <wxl> @HMollerCl but for example QDialog and KDialog have essentially the same arguments, but in a different order
 uff, I newer quite understood K  instead of Q is a fork=
 ?
[01:06] <wxl> apparently not XD
[01:14] <guiverc> wxl, fyi:  I'm considering erasing https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa/ubuntu-manual-tests/lubuntu-calamares/+merge/372039 & starting again... it'll likely be quicker  (I want to do it when I've got a number of hours with a clear-head; not 15-20 min intervals..)
[01:16] <wxl> guiverc: works for me
 wxl: needs to be QString, str  is not enough...
[01:22] <wxl> right i included that in there
[01:23] <wxl> url = str(QUrl(home))
[01:23] <wxl> filename = QFileDialog.getOpenFileName(self.userinterface, _("Import key"), url, 'application/pgp-keys')
[01:23] <wxl> those two should replace the current url/filename lines
[01:23] <wxl> which follow one after the other in thta order
[01:25] <wxl> oh
[01:25] <wxl> wait
 ha!
 no, easier
[01:25] <wxl> ?
 just use home and reorder
 no url needed.
[01:25] <wxl> OH!
[01:25] <wxl> good call
 home = QDir.homePath() …     if "SUDO_USER" in os.environ: …         home = os.path.expanduser("~%s" % os.environ["SUDO_USER"]) …     filename = QFileDialog.getOpenFileName(self.userinterface, _("Import key"), home, 'application/pgp-keys')
 will make a diff and add to the bug
[01:26] <wxl> nice. thank you, sir.
 here it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1795278/comments/5
[01:31] <wxl> perfect!
 good night!
 sorry I've been away lately but have been complicated days
[01:34] <wxl> you be back soon??
 being 40 is not easier...
[01:34] <wxl> you just turned? i've been there for a while
 @wxl [<wxl> you be back soon??], I thought today I would have more time,
[01:35] <wxl> next time :)
[01:35] <wxl> it's getting to be crunch time, so now would be a good time to have you!
 maybe I start a new project and if taht's teh case I wil have less time...
[01:35] <wxl> well at least you're not bored :)
 @wxl [<wxl> you just turned? i've been there for a while], yep, on sunday...
[01:35] <wxl> well happy birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
 +1
 thanks! :)
 Welcome to the 40 club.
 XD
 jejejej, maybe we have a new moto, "lubuntu, LXQt for the 4th decade"
 HaHaHa I like it.
 anyway, I'm working on breeze-config, I haven't have time for the lubuntu-devel application
 *had
 I hope it wil go into 20.04
 and I'm concerned on updating pcmanfm-qt
[03:43] <guiverc> wiki.ubuntu.com; a refresh doesn't allow BACK should a reader not want it..  tsimonq2 are you aware of a fix/alternative (for many pages it won't be a problem, but I suspect it could annoy some readers; some like me like history..)
[04:40] <guiverc> does anyone want a list of wiki pages edited  (add un-maintained and deprecated warning; link lubuntu.me); 19 so far
[04:47] <guiverc> thanks wxl, got to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Bugs and it already directed to the page I was about to look up...
[05:40] <guiverc> I just found a lubuntu.net ref on wiki :(
[07:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL45f7e319f637: Add icon path to .desktop] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL45f7e319f637
[07:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7638d51a8048: Fix capitlization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7638d51a8048
 oooo, building tests in python is not simple, you cannot import modules and files with dash (-) son normally camelCase is used, but normally in debian scripts are not camelCase.
 I'm using software-properties as a "template" maybe that module is to complicate, any other which is pyqt I could use?
 or where to ask?
[18:03] <wxl> @HMollerCl there's a debian #packaging channel on oftc
 I found a way to do it...
 I will make a small etry in the dev wiki
[18:11] <wxl> nice! good job
[18:12] <wxl> so we are having the stand up today, right???
 @wxl [<wxl> so we are having the stand up today, right???], Yes, let's do that.
[18:42] <wxl> ok maybe we should vote on changes if need be
 at which time is standup
 4PM Eastern.
 @wxl [<wxl> ok maybe we should vote on changes if need be], Which changes did you want to vote on?
 that's in 2:10 more?
 2 hours ten minutes from now
 yes
 @lynorian [2 hours ten minutes from now], thanks!
[18:50] <wxl> @kc2bez: we've discussed changing the meeting time/date
[18:51] <wxl> but never come to any conclusion i can tell
 Ok I follow you.
[18:51] <wxl> @tsimonq2: come to the standup today, please
 yes, but anyone who cannot attend at this time, won't be at this time....
 not sure is the best way to vote.
[18:52] <wxl> oh i didn't mean voting at the meeting per se
 Wednesday would not be a hard no but I may need to grab lunch then
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: come to the standup today, please], Okay
 I want a repo fro "lubuntu-breeze-config" who should I ask for?
 @HMollerCl [I want a repo fro "lubuntu-breeze-config" who should I ask for?], You should have access
 Today I'll write a "new repo" guide
 I am not sure I will be back from lunch but will leave paste here ealire in case someone wants it
 I started work on snaping lubuntu-manual have name registered but not uplaoded yet
 Have the snapcraft.yaml building the manual into a snap
 Started working on .desktop file have in where snapcraft says to have it but don't have that working
 fixed some typos as well and fixed keyboard shortcut for runner
[20:11] <wxl> you're awesome @lynorian
[21:02] <kc2bez> +1 to wxl
[21:02] <kc2bez> !standup
 wow I actually made it
[21:02] <kc2bez> Nice
[21:02] <wxl> o/ but i'll be last, please
[21:03] <kc2bez> Ok
[21:03] <kc2bez> I can't say I am necessarily well prepared :P
[21:03] <wxl> i am :) may be too prepared
[21:04] <wxl> maybe i should go
[21:04] <kc2bez> sure
 Hi
[21:04] <wxl> i'm gonna make the bot angry
[21:05] <wxl> so i'll do this in chunks i guess
[21:05] <wxl> * BUG TRIAGE
[21:05] <wxl>    * New
[21:05] <wxl>      * bug 1864791 currently waiting on bug 1864787
[21:05] <wxl>    * Duplicate
[21:05] <wxl>      * bug 1865906 software-properties-qt import key fail
[21:05] <wxl>    * Incomplete
[21:05] <wxl>      * bug 1862756 Openbox window trails
[21:05] <wxl>    * Invalid
[21:05] <wxl>      * bug 1864959 check disk happens no matter what (it's a feature!)
[21:05] <wxl>      * bug 1865853 alt-f2 for runner
[21:05] <wxl>      * bug 1865855 VPN import
[21:05] <wxl>      * bug 1865851 single click mode in pcmanfm-qt
[21:05] <wxl>      * bug 1865852 no config for quick launch
[21:05] <wxl>    * Confirmed
[21:05] <wxl> throttled
[21:06] <wxl> seems like the throttling is on poor ubot
[21:06] <wxl> so i trust everyone got that
[21:06] <wxl> note the things with parens
[21:07] <wxl> in particularly i'm not sure what to do with bug 1857364 but could probably use @tsimonq2 or someone's help
[21:08] <wxl> @HMollerCl was kind enough to create an actual patch for the work i started on bug 1795278 so please test that
[21:08] <wxl> ok that out of the way let's move on to breaking the other bot
[21:09] <wxl>  * TASKS
[21:09] <wxl>    * Comments
[21:09] <wxl>      * LibreOffice Qt5 VCL
[21:09] <wxl>        * https://phab.lubuntu.me/T146
[21:09] <wxl>      * GRUB theme
[21:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] libreoffice qt5 vcl: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T146
[21:09] <wxl>        * https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30
[21:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Theme GRUB: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30
[21:09] <wxl>    * Resolved
[21:09] <wxl>      * Snaps don't show in menu on install
[21:09] <wxl>        * https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139
[21:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Resolved] Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139
[21:09] <wxl>      * Enable i386 architecture
[21:09] <wxl>        * https://phab.lubuntu.me/T143
[21:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Resolved] Enable i386 architecture: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T143
[21:09] <wxl>      * Dumb Erase Disk thing
[21:09] <wxl>        * https://phab.lubuntu.me/T150
[21:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Resolved] Erase Disk fails with existing partition scheme: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T150
[21:09] <wxl> ok i guess i didn't break it good enough. let me try again
[21:09] <wxl>  * COMMITS
[21:09] <wxl>    * Committed
[21:09] <wxl>      * Cala <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:09] <wxl>        * https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGINGafd20277e930e2c82bb739180e66d7103a63b456
[21:09] <wxl>    * Accepted
[21:09] <wxl>      * @kc2bez
[21:09] <wxl>        * alt-tab switching on all desktops
[21:09] <wxl>          * https://phab.lubuntu.me/D84
[21:09] <wxl>    * Sponsored
[21:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Add alt-tab switching for all desktops.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D84
[21:09] <wxl>      * @HMollerCl
[21:09] <wxl>        * nm-connection-editor now default in nm-tray
[21:09] <wxl>          * https://phab.lubuntu.me/D82
[21:09] <wxl>        * Lubuntu Round Openbox theme!
[21:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Added nm-tray.conf to xdg-Lubuntu so nm-connection-editor is default.
[21:09] <wxl>          * https://phab.lubuntu.me/D70
[21:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Add Lubuntu Round Openbox Theme and change background and hover color for in menu search: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D70
[21:10] <wxl> hm this is strange
[21:10] <wxl>  * UPSTREAM
[21:10] <wxl>    * LXQt
[21:10] <wxl>      * feature requests
[21:10] <wxl>        * looks like no go on desktop switcher previews
[21:10] <wxl>          * https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1767
[21:10] <wxl>    * Calamares
[21:10] <wxl>      * feature requests
[21:10] <wxl>        * tagged logs
[21:10] <wxl>          * https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1328
[21:10] <wxl>      * bug reports
[21:10] <wxl>        * debug mode default
[21:10] <wxl>          * https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1329
[21:10] <wxl>        * manual install failure
[21:10] <wxl>          * https://bugs.launchpad.net/calamares/+bug/1864787
[21:10] <wxl> and there's ubot throttled again
[21:11] <wxl> note we DID get those tagged logs in Cala. well, kind of. they include the function name now.
[21:11] <wxl> and the debug mode thing is fixed
[21:11] <wxl> the desktop switcher preview thing might come to LXQt, but just not to Openbox…
[21:11] <wxl> (hm maybe we should switch to KWin. anyways…)
[21:12] <wxl>  * MISCELLANEOUS
[21:12] <wxl>    * Met with yinz for a bit of a merge sprint which was fun. Let's do it again!
[21:12] <wxl>    * Attempted to foster additional and improved contributions from some folks
[21:12] <wxl>      * leok
[21:12] <wxl>      * svinoba
[21:12] <wxl>      * candrapersada (GitHub issues)
[21:12] <wxl>      * azdays15
[21:13] <wxl>    * Added contributors to release notes
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://notes.lubuntu.me/lD3ArdtURr29PHcLE0ClMw
[21:13] <wxl>    * Poo-pooed "heavy screen savers" (feel free to disagree)
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/heavy-screen-savers/754/5
[21:13] <wxl>    * Dealt with install media made in 14.04 that had too old of a syslinux!(?)
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/questions-about-upgrade/709/21
[21:13] <wxl>    * Facilitated Franz' woes with Chromium Snap
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/chromium-open-file-dialog/14453/10
[21:13] <wxl>    * Confirmed we're not going to see a "switch user" function
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/744/9
[21:13] <wxl>    * Suggested colord-kde for color profiles
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/colour-settings-icm-profile/792/7
[21:13] <wxl>    * Answered a question essentially about apt caching
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-devel/2020-February/001779.html
[21:13] <wxl>    * Expressed concerns about the automatic media check implementation
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/13472/5
[21:13] <wxl>    * Updated testing wiki re: identifying images, point releases
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://phab.lubuntu.me/phriction/diff/22/?l=9&r=10
[21:13] <wxl>    * Updated testing wiki re: failure versus success
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://phab.lubuntu.me/phriction/diff/22/?l=12&r=13
[21:13] <wxl>    * Told Alf to back off when it comes to Lubuntu bugs
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1865853
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1865855
[21:13] <wxl>    * Discussing best way to add smartmontools to Cala given it tries to run `smartctl`
[21:13] <wxl>      * Do we seed it in live or Recommend in the package (if so, Debian?)
[21:13] <wxl> and that's everything. phew.
[21:14] <kc2bez> OooooK looks like we are out of time XD wxl did all the things:P
[21:14] <wxl> XD
[21:15] <kc2bez> That is an awesome list!
[21:15] <kc2bez> Thank you!
[21:15] <wxl> yeah it was a fairly productive week, albeit much of it was just spinning wheels and not really closing 20.04 tasks which is what i'd really like to work on
[21:15] <genii> wxl: LOL, "<ubot9> Low risk threat [#lubuntu-devel] - wxl - flooding (10 msgs in 20 seconds); ping krytarik !att-#lubuntu-devel-low https://u193.ga/~asm/detectlogs/4fc0167c-97b8-4e2f-8e3a-5940631222af.txt"
[21:15] <lynmesaperrine> should I repost my contibutions
[21:16] <kc2bez> sure sounds good
 Lyn Perrine, [05.03.20 11:50] … I am not sure I will be back from lunch but will leave paste here ealire in case someone wants it … Lyn Perrine, [05.03.20 11:51] … I started work on snaping lubuntu-manual have name registered but not uplaoded yet … Lyn Perrine, [05.03.20 11:51] … Have the snapcraft.yaml building the manual into a sna
[21:18] <wxl> lyn do you need help with the desktop thing or is it just a matter of time?
 I might need help
 not sure I have the like right size icons or something and file might be too big with one I have
[21:19] <wxl> ok. i'm no snapmaster, but i know enough to be dangerous so let's talk about that later
 I have the make part working
 That's a snap for the manual?
[21:20] <wxl> yep
 how else to get it offline but also get updates
 It's a good idea
[21:23] <kc2bez> I think it is an excellent idea too.
[21:23] <wxl> i couldn't agree more
[21:23] <kc2bez> Thanks @lynorian
[21:23] <wxl> with the only exception being the snapd overhead but i don't think we're going to be able to avoid that much longer :/
 well one thing I went nto is no category in store for documentation
 I was actually in support of the idea originally but Lyn gets all the credit :)
 Yes I know
 *GASP*
 yes it is simons fault
 HA
 @lynorian [yes it is simons fault], its always simon's fault
 @lynorian [yes it is simons fault], xDDDDD
[21:24] <wxl> Books and Reference, lyn
 Anything else?
 ok I am done
[21:25] <kc2bez> I'll just leave this here https://phab.lubuntu.me/macro/view/4/
[21:25] <wxl> ^ yep
[21:26] <wxl> who's next?
[21:26] <kc2bez> @HMollerCl?
 Ok
 So, I made a diff for swprop-qt issue as wxl mention and I'm working on lubuntu-breeze-config
 I will start a very demanding project next Monday for 3 months so I won't have much time
 So I will focus on thing I'm already on it, mainly lubuntu-breeze-config and lubuntu-update-notifier
 I would love to upgrade pcmanfm-qt and libfm but I think I won't have the time for it
 I hope someone else can take it
 Eof
[21:29] <wxl> danke!
[21:29] <guiverc> Good luck on your 'new' project HMollerCl & thanks for work
[21:30] <kc2bez> Many thanks Hans!
[21:30] <kc2bez> @tsimonq2 nice to see you here!
[21:31] <kc2bez> What is new with you?
[21:31] <wxl> > ACK
[21:32] <kc2bez> Oh I forgot :P ABI BREAK!!!!!
[21:33] <wxl> while we wait for him to wake up, maybe you want to go @kc2bez?
[21:33] <kc2bez> Alrighty, let me drop my pathetically prepared paste XD
[21:33] <kc2bez> * Packaged and Uploaded Calamares 3.2.20
[21:33] <kc2bez> * Started the release notes shell. Edits can happen here: https://notes.lubuntu.me/lD3ArdtURr29PHcLE0ClMw#
[21:33] <kc2bez> * I did some bug triage and commenting too.
[21:33] <kc2bez> * Discovered lubuntu packages was not subscribed to lubuntu-meta, thanks wxl for fixing that.
[21:33] <kc2bez> * Feeling fairly ill prepared today so here is my recent phab log https://phab.lubuntu.me/feed/query/N9oI0Ps9123F/#R
[21:34] <kc2bez> It would be cool if we could try to keep up (myself included) with the release notes.
[21:34] <wxl> good job and thanks for always being on call to test things :)
[21:36] <kc2bez> Absolutely. Happy to help when I can.
[21:36] <wxl> while everyone is here, i just noticed this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bug/1816473
[21:36] <wxl> maybe we should drop obamenu from the package???
[21:37] <kc2bez> I doubt it will see an update upstream
[21:37] <wxl> that's what i'm thinking
 I'm not on my desk, what does it do?
 I don't know what obamenu does either
[21:39] <kc2bez> I think it is the right click menu in OpenBox if I am not mistaken
[21:39] <wxl> https://rmoe.anukis.de/obamenu.html
 we shipped something for that?
[21:40] <wxl> see http://openbox.org/wiki/Openbox:Pipemenus
[21:40] <wxl> the openbox package always has
[21:40] <kc2bez> Future releases (or a patched pcmanfm-qt) won't let you get to it anyway.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> I think it is the right click menu in OpenBox if I am not mistaken], That is depracted in git pcmanfm-qt
[21:40] <kc2bez> jinx XD
 Nothing depends on obamenu?
[21:42] <wxl> nothing should. it's an openbox utility
[21:42] <wxl> but not a requirement as you can see from the docs
[21:42] <wxl> however, it's not a separate package
[21:44] <kc2bez> Yeah, it is part of the openbox package
[21:44] <wxl> @tsimonq2: is debian also trying to get rid of python2 like ubuntu is? if so, we should file a bug there to pull obamenu out of the openbox package.
 I thought openbox was pure C
[21:45] <wxl> it is, but not obamenu
[21:46] <wxl> obamenu is not technically an openbox thing, but an external tool
[21:49] <wxl> well since @tsimonq2 is again ignoring us i guess we'll just move on
[21:49] <wxl> so what's everyone's take on the meeting time? should we change it? does it work as is?
[21:50] <kc2bez> I have no issue with it.
[21:50] <kc2bez> But I can be fairly flexible.
 I think @The_LoudSpeaker has problem with this hour
[21:52] <wxl> what about you hans?
 I'm ok
[21:54] <wxl> ok well that's that then :)
 @HMollerCl [I think @The_LoudSpeaker has problem with this hour], Yeah. The current time is around 2.30 am for me. I can manage but I have classes all day starting at 8am. It would be good if it is preponed by 24 hours. I have less classes the day before.
[21:58] <wxl> ^ so is there anyone for which this time does not work for/
 works for me
 Postponing by 24 hours also works.
 equally good too
 Once we had at Saturday 8am US Central na? That was best time for me. Wxl Think you can wake up @tsimonq2 ? XD
 +1
 too early for me then
[22:03] <wxl> i don't love that idea
 @lynorian [too early for me then], I know. Just kidding lite.
 @wxl [<wxl> i don't love that idea], Anything other than current time of Thursday 9pm UTC (Friday 2.30 am IST) works for me. I will go with whatever you decide.
[22:06] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker if you had to pick the range of times you would most like, which would they be?
 Anything between 4.30 pm to 7 pm UTC
[22:10] <wxl> on any day?
 Yeah.
 4:30 pm utc is a bit early for me
 5:00 or later might be better
 approaching my sleepy time there but I can make it work.
[22:18] <wxl> i'll work with that and make a poll. if anyone else has opinions about days/times that don't work, let me know
 thanks wxl


[10:09] <pavlushka> RemonShai: o/
[10:09] <RemonShai> hey o/
[10:10] <RemonShai> what are you doing ?
[10:11] <pavlushka> for me, its lunch time:)
[10:11] <RemonShai> how ?
[10:12] <pavlushka> RemonShai: coz I am having my lunch now :p
[10:13] <RemonShai> only today or regularly ?
[10:13] <pavlushka> RemonShai: ah, only today
[10:13] <RemonShai> why are you late?
[10:15] <pavlushka> RemonShai: was busy for something!
[10:16] <RemonShai> ow
[13:36] <zaki> hello pavlushka
[13:37] <pavlushka> zaki: hello!
[13:40] <zaki> how was the day!
[13:41] <pavlushka> a little busy
[13:41] <pavlushka> yours?
[13:41] <zaki> same here
[13:42] <pavlushka> cool
[13:42] <pavlushka> zaki: so what are you doing now?
[13:44] <zaki> nothing special :|
[13:45] <zaki> found a 32 bit version of centOS 7
[13:45] <pavlushka> me watching back to back movies
[13:45] <pavlushka> zaki: good for you
[13:46] <zaki> how is it?
[13:46] <zaki> he he
[13:46] <zaki> trying it on vbox
[13:47] <pavlushka> the first one was sad , seven pounds - will smith, so to cheer myself up, started watching a funny one
[13:47] <pavlushka> named, "Its kinda funny story"
[13:48] <zaki> he he
[13:48] <zaki> kinda funny
[13:48] <pavlushka> zaki: so bear with me :p
[13:53] <zaki> oky. :D
[13:53] <pavlushka> -.^
[14:22] <zaki> pavlushka, https://globalbrand.com.bd/ASUS-X442UA-7th-Gen%20Core-i3
[14:54] <pavlushka> cool
[14:54] <pavlushka> zaki ^
[15:11] <zaki> how much cool?
[15:11] <zaki> :D
[15:11] <zaki> has ssd slot
[15:11] <pavlushka> wow pretty cool
[15:12] <pavlushka> https://globalbrand.com.bd/ASUS-X442UA-7th-Gen%20Core-i3
[15:12]  * pavlushka checking u-la-la
[15:14] <pavlushka> https://libreboot.org/news/unity.html
[15:14] <u-la-la> [ Libreboot – Open Letter to the Free Software Community ] - https://libreboot.org
[15:15] <zaki> and integrated ntel® HD Graphics 620

[17:01] <zaki> bbl


[00:56] <simonsaysdiaf> Hello. I was trying to help my friend fix his login issue, and I believe that I commented something or edited something in a way that
[00:56] <simonsaysdiaf> broke login completely. Previously the GUI login would be caught in a boot loop, but then i could get to the tty. Now when I go to the
[00:56] <simonsaysdiaf> tty, it's just a hanging screen. there's a blinking cursor but I can't login or input text at all.
[00:57] <xubuntu57w> hey, is anyone here? this is my first time on irc :)
[00:57] <xubuntu57w> i am on xubuntu for the last couple of hours :)
[00:57] <xubuntu57w> i have a problem with brightness, it's way to dark, i can hardly see this
[00:58] <xubuntu57w> can someone help me somehow?
[01:01] <ObrienDave> xubuntu57w, trying to remember how to do that
[01:02] <xubuntu57w> ObrienDave, i have found this
[01:02] <xubuntu57w> http://askubuntu.com/questions/149054/how-to-change-lcd-brightness-from-command-line-or-via-script
[01:02] <xubuntu57w> it worked from the command line
[01:02] <xubuntu57w> thank you anyway
[01:02] <xubuntu57w> :)
[01:03] <ObrienDave> ok, cool, glad you found a solution. welcome to IRC and Xubuntu. come back here or #ubuntu if you have any more questions
[01:03] <ObrienDave> dang LOL
[01:03] <simonsaysdiaf> lol
[01:05] <ObrienDave> still getting your logon issue worked on?
[01:12] <simonsaysdiaf> yeah i think he's going to want me to just install fresh on another harddrive
[04:48] <xubuntu092> Mid install on an old inspiron netbook. Anything I should know?
[05:58] <Vampi> приветики :)
[12:49] <LiquorAndelixir> IIs there a problem with upgrading Xubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 now?  I've been putting off upgrading my 12.04 box, and now Apper shows me 'Distribution update available', but running 'sudo do-release-upgrade' gives me 'No new release found'
[12:50] <Isolol> Clean install is what I had to do, lot of the package lists are gone from 12.10
[12:51] <knome> Isolol, that's not what the question was; it was about the LTS upgrade path to 14.04.
[12:51] <Isolol> Well, if he can't upgrade, I bet he unknowlingly upgraded to 12.10
[12:52] <Isolol> Because I have seen it happen quite a few times.
[12:52] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, what does "lsb_release -r" in a terminal output?
[12:53] <slickymasterWork> LiquorAndelixir: can you please try: 'sudo do-release-upgrade -p'
[12:53] <knome> Isolol, though "i've been putting off..." was said
[12:54] <LiquorAndelixir> I'm afraid I might have to do a clean install, but this is effectively my household server, and I don't remember how I got postfix working with maildirs
[12:54] <LiquorAndelixir> # lsb_release -r      outputs      Release:        12.04
[12:54] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, did you try what slickymasterWork proposed?
[12:55] <LiquorAndelixir> Yes, it still only gives 'no new release found'
[12:56] <slickymasterWork> hmm, odd.
[12:56] <slickymasterWork> that command usually works
[12:57] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades, what's the value for Prompt= ?
[12:58] <LiquorAndelixir> Prompt=lts
[12:59] <slickymasterWork> just as a debug LiquorAndelixir, check to be sure 'update-manager-core' is installed. In terminal run: 'apt-cache policy update-manager-core'
[13:01] <LiquorAndelixir> update-manager-core:   Installed: 1:<IP_ADDRESS>   Candidate: 1:<IP_ADDRESS>   Version table:  *** 1:<IP_ADDRESS> 0         500 http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main i386 Packages         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status      1:<IP_ADDRESS> 0         500 http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/ubuntu/ precise-security/main i386 Packages      1:0.156.14 0         500 http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/ubuntu/ precise/ma
[13:01] <LiquorAndelixir> Sorry about the line spam but I don't know what bits of that are significant.
[13:02] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, have you run all the regular updates for your system?
[13:03]  * LiquorAndelixir tries not to 'duh' the response -- Yes, all of them, regularly.
[13:03] <LiquorAndelixir> apt-get update shows nothing
[13:03] <knome> ok, i don't understand why you'd need to do this, but try to run 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d'
[13:03] <knome> hmm, right, are you aware that sudo apt-get update only updates the package lists, not upgrade the packages?
[13:03] <bimbim> hello
[13:04] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, ^
[13:04] <knome> bimbim, hello
[13:04] <bimbim> does anybody know, does the iso support dm-crypt with LUKS by default or do i have to download other stuff
[13:04] <bimbim> ?
[13:04] <LiquorAndelixir> kome, yes, but I show no packages needing update  - aptitude shows everything up to date.
[13:05] <slickymasterWork> knome: won't the '-d' argument prompt for upgrading to 14.04 instead?
[13:05] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, ok, then try the upgrader with the -d option
[13:05] <slickymasterWork> s/14.04/14.10
[13:05] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, it will list a lot of 'precise' stuff first
[13:05] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, then it should list a lot of 'trusty' stuff; make sure that happens
[13:05] <LiquorAndelixir> do-release-upgrade -d is showing exactly the same 'No new release found'
[13:05] <knome> slickymasterWork, 12.04->14.10 is not a valid upgrade path, so no
[13:06]  * slickymasterWork knocks his head out
[13:06] <LiquorAndelixir> Is there any location where the upgrade manager looks at to determine what the current release is?
[13:06] <LiquorAndelixir> Or is the lsb-release already pulling that value?
[13:07] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, we just checked that with lsb_release, and it looks correct
[13:07] <knome> yep
[13:07] <slickymasterWork> duh
[13:08] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, please run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit" and paste us the url
[13:10] <LiquorAndelixir> I upgraded a netbook a couple of months ago, and had no problem with the upgrade, but that was with -d option.   OK, pastebinit tells me http://paste.ubuntu.com/8364936/
[13:13] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, it might be irrelevant, but i'd try the main servers
[13:13]  * LiquorAndelixir nods
[13:13] <knome> do you know how to change that?
[13:13] <slickymasterWork> LiquorAndelixir: The 'do-release-upgrade' tool checks the list of official Ubuntu mirrors before running an upgrade. but your sources list just show mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca as mirrors
[13:13] <knome> once you've done that, run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" once more
[13:14] <knome> then retry with "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[13:14] <slickymasterWork> ^^^
[13:14] <LiquorAndelixir> Only from the GUI, I don't remember the command line method.. but I can do that.
[13:15] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, GUI is fine
[13:16] <LiquorAndelixir> Knome, it just takes a little longer :)
[13:16] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, of course. no hurry :)
[13:23] <LiquorAndelixir> Ok, knome, downloaded package lists, found 10 updates on the main server that weren't on csclub server yet, but do-release-upgrade is still showing no new release found.
[13:23] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, and you upgraded the packages?
[13:24] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, now what happens with the -p parameter?
[13:24] <LiquorAndelixir> Still the same
[13:24] <knome> and -d?
[13:24] <LiquorAndelixir> Same -- and yes, I upgraded the packages while I was in the GUI
[13:25] <slickymasterWork> LiquorAndelixir: can you please, once again, run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit" and paste us the url
[13:25] <slickymasterWork> just to see if the changes you made were affected
[13:26] <LiquorAndelixir> Ok, pastebinit shows me http://paste.ubuntu.com/8365006/
[13:28] <slickymasterWork> it looks alright LiquorAndelixir
[13:28] <slickymasterWork> what makes it even odder
[13:28]  * LiquorAndelixir nods "I thought so. FWIW - I'm at work and using SSH to my box at home to check each item."
[13:28] <slickymasterWork> that's not releated to the issue your facing
[13:29] <slickymasterWork> s/your/you're
[13:29] <LiquorAndelixir> *nod* no, it's not -- but it does mean I can't put a CD in the drive.
[13:29] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, what does "update-manager -d -c" do?
[13:30] <knome> (it should open the gui to begin with, but is it showing the upgrade then?
[13:31] <LiquorAndelixir> Nope.. 'there are no packages to install' -- and that's where I was when I did the update packages and changed the source.
[13:33]  * slickymasterWork scratches his head
[13:34] <LiquorAndelixir> Doubt if it's significant, but this is a 32 bit Atom machine, and update-manager is outputing debug messages:  (update-manager:27245): Gtk-WARNING **: /build/buildd/gtk+3.0-3.4.2/./gtk/gtkliststore.c:851: Unable to convert from glong to gint
[13:36] <slickymasterWork> LiquorAndelixir: can you try something?  Try reinstalling update manager and core: 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall update-manager update-manager-core'
[13:36] <LiquorAndelixir> Ok, doing that now
[13:41] <LiquorAndelixir> SlickymasterWork - reinstall done, no change seen.
[13:43] <LiquorAndelixir> Ok, let me look at an alternative: Is there any way to use a package list from the current installation,  and keep my configuration files for squid and postfix, but do an otherwise clean install from DVD?
[13:45] <knome> LiquorAndelixir, sure, booting from a DVD should show an "upgrade" option
[13:46] <slickymasterWork> LiquorAndelixir: ^^^
[13:47] <slickymasterWork> also to maintaing your packages list and configuration files, see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1748541&p=10765330#post10765330
[13:49] <LiquorAndelixir> Ok, I'll DL and burn a DVD while I'm on my work line, and try that when I get home... though I don't seem to recall seeing that option when I did a reinstall on the 64 bit laptop:  It had sorta locked up because I was using the proprietary nvidia drivers and got a 'version mismatch' while it was on 12.04.
[13:53] <LiquorAndelixir> Thanks for the attempt, and especially for the forum link - it looks like I'll have to wait until I get home to try either solution.
[13:53] <slickymasterWork> LiquorAndelixir: good luck
[13:53] <LiquorAndelixir> TY, bye :)
[15:08] <gorzak> hi all, is it exist a french chan of xubuntu ?
[15:08] <holstein> !fr | gorzak
[15:09] <gorzak> thanks am already on ubuntu-fr i go back
[15:52] <xubuntu00w> I'm wondering if I can get some help. I've just installed xubuntu I'm trying to download updates but the download speed is so slow ratherly 5kB per second I have a 25Mbs line
[15:53] <xubuntu00w> I'm in an office and wonder if it has anything to do with that? On windows 7 I had to disable autotuning on command line, on MAC I had to do some sudo commands on terminal I wonder if on xubuntu I need to do someth9ing similar?
[15:54] <xangua> xubuntu00w: software center, edit, sources; change your mirror to the closest one you live or use the main ones
[15:55] <drc> xubuntu00w: ^^What xangua said...assuming you are not seeing a general slowness in your internet connection.
[15:56] <xubuntu00w> both so slow internet connection and slow download speed
[15:56] <drc> So the problem is slow internet connection, not slow updates ?
[15:56] <xubuntu00w> just doing a google search took me a good minute or 2
[15:57] <drc> Have you asked your work sysadmin about it?
[15:57] <xubuntu00w> I am the admin
[16:01] <xubuntu00w> I'm thinking if it has anything to do with being in an office environment ? So it's using up the bandwidth trying to detect other computers connected to the network? On MAC's to prevent this from happening you run the following commands on terminal: sudo bash -c "echo 'net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0' >> /etc/sysctl.conf" sudo bash -c "echo 'net.inet.tcp.recvspace=40960' >> /etc/sysctl.conf" sudo bash -c "echo 'net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=
[16:02] <xubuntu00w> On windows you run the following the commands: netsh interface tcp set global autotuning=disabled
[16:03] <xubuntu00w> is there a similar command I can run on xubuntu?
[16:05] <drc> xubuntu00w: That's beyond my paygrade :(
[16:06] <holstein> xubuntu00w: what are those commands facilitating on your network?
[16:06] <xubuntu00w> which ones?
[16:07] <holstein> "on MAC i had to do some sudo commands".. why? what is up with the network configuration?
[16:09] <xubuntu00w> you run them on the individual MAC or PC desktop to prevent it from using up needless bandwidth in an office environment this is very important as there are so many computers in a network the whole bandwidth will be used up just with computers communicating with each other pointlessly
[16:10] <xubuntu00w> so I'm wondering if xubuntu has something similar because I believe this could be the root of my slow internet
[16:10] <holstein> xubuntu00w: there should be no need of that
[16:11] <holstein> xubuntu00w: i would simply do some ping tests. and file download speed tests from different locations..
[16:12] <xubuntu00w> ok thanks
[16:12] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu00w: take a look at  tcp_moderate_rcvbuf in  http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man7/tcp.7.html
[18:30] <xubuntu33w> Hi!
[18:31] <nomic> hi
[18:31] <xubuntu33w> Which iso should I download?
[18:31] <xubuntu33w> http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/
[18:31] <nomic> u got pentium
[18:31] <nomic> 64 bit
[18:32] <nomic> to make desktop cd
[18:32] <nomic>  	198 B 	2014-07-25 01:59
[18:32] <nomic> iso 	xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:32] <nomic> will only fit on DVD (now)
[18:32] <xubuntu33w> Ok!
[18:32] <nomic> if your system -- it will be, 64 bit
[18:32] <nomic> i386 = 32 bit
[18:32] <nomic> i64 = 64 bit
[18:32] <xubuntu33w> Ah ok!
[18:32] <nomic> there used to be 'alternative install'
[18:32] <nomic> there is only 1 type now
[18:33] <nomic> if you have a recent pentium -- get the one I posted
[18:33] <nomic> iso 	xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:33] <holstein> !mini
[18:33] <holstein> ^ you can use that as the old "alternative".. kind of like a net install
[18:33] <xubuntu33w> I want to try out a new system.  You know! I always used Windows.
[18:34] <nomic> if you managed the trauma of going from win 7 to win 8 -- you will have no problem at all transferring to xubuntu
[18:34] <holstein> xubuntu33w: try the normal iso.. you can run it live to "try it out"..
[18:34] <nomic> xubuntu is very 'regular' looking
[18:34] <nomic> every issue is dealt with
[18:34] <xubuntu33w> holstein: Kannst du deutsch?
[18:35] <holstein> !de
[18:35] <holstein> !nl
[18:35] <xubuntu33w> holstein: Achso!
[18:36] <xubuntu33w> nomic: Thanks!
[18:40] <knome> mtift|afk, please do not use awaynicks
[18:44]  * RedDeath Back
[18:44] <Unit193> RedDeath: Is there really a need to /ame that?
[18:47]  * drc <action text>Sends the specifed action to all channels which you are currently on.
[19:27] <mtift> knome: ok
[19:27] <knome> mtift, cheers
[19:43] <livingdaylight> Hi
[19:43] <livingdaylight> I was looking to install gyazo and wondered whether one can adapt this to xubuntu?
[19:43] <livingdaylight> https://github.com/gyazo/Gyazo-for-Linux#
[19:43] <livingdaylight> https://github.com/gyazo/Gyazo-for-Linux
[19:44] <holstein> livingdaylight: there is a readme, and a "debian" directory.. thats where i would start
[19:45] <holstein> probably no need to "adapt" it, but just install it, following the instructions they give
[19:46] <livingdaylight> instructions they give is open Unity dash
[19:46] <livingdaylight> locate and drag gyazo icon into launcher
[19:46] <holstein> livingdaylight: not likely
[19:46] <livingdaylight> launcher?
[19:47] <holstein> livingdaylight: there should be general instructions for linux
[19:47] <Unit193> Well huh, I've seen worse packaging.
[20:04] <lbracher> Hi there! Do you know if it's possible to work xubuntu iso file in order to work over PXE boot like Ubuntu's netboot version? TIA!
[20:04] <holstein> !pxe
[20:05] <Unit193> Didn't I talk to you before?
[20:05] <holstein> lbracher: whats the goal?
[20:05] <holstein> !mini
[20:05] <holstein> ^thats like a net install type thing...
[20:05] <koegs> in the past i had a pxe-config which allowed to boot the live-iso
[20:06] <koegs> but you had to unpack the iso
[20:07] <lbracher> koegs, how can I do that exactly? I've already unpacked the iso file and I'm able to boot Ubuntu's netboot version. Do you know exacty what I need to do? I need to use memdisk?
[20:07] <lbracher> holstein, I'm trying to revive an old laptop. No CD or DVD units at all.
[20:07] <lbracher> No USB booting also.
[20:09] <holstein> lbracher: i would just take the hard drive to another machine, install, and put it back in the other machine
[20:11] <lbracher> holstein, thanks. I'll try that if I figure out I'm not able to do that by PXE. I'm also trying that for acquiring knowledge.
[20:11] <koegs> lbracher: basically this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot
[20:12] <lbracher> koegs, thank you! :)
[20:12] <koegs> or search for "ubuntu live iso pxe", there are plenty of tutorials
[20:12] <lbracher> :)
[20:12] <holstein> lbracher: oh.. you *can* pxe boot.. nothing about xubuntu is preventing it.. its just that im sugesting its *much* easier, and probably faster to take a few screws out of a hard drive caddy..
[20:13] <Unit193> Hmm, I used cifs to pass the squashfs.
[20:14] <lbracher> holstein: no problem. I think the same. I'll give just one hour to the PXE booting effort. After this time, I'll use the screwdiver. Thanks! :)
[22:51] <xubuntu076> hello
[22:54] <xubuntu076> anyone out there?
[22:54] <Hund> Yes.
[22:55] <xubuntu076> hey
[22:55] <Hund> Yo
[22:55] <xubuntu076> i'm trying to install xubuntu on a very old desktop
[22:55] <xubuntu076> and I get an invisible cursor
[22:56] <xubuntu076> i can see it "works"
[22:56] <xubuntu076> but it's invisible
[22:56] <xubuntu076> any ideas?
[22:56] <Hund> Uhm.
[22:57] <xubuntu076> by "it works"
[22:57] <Hund> Maybe, try running this in a terminal: "gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.cursor active false"
[22:57] <xubuntu076> i can move the mouse around
[22:57] <xubuntu076> oh ok
[23:01] <xubuntu076> it says "no such schema"
[23:01] <xubuntu076> i've noticed some other weird events like flickering of terminal background (from solid color to transparency, while i have solid color defined)
[23:02] <xubuntu076> this is an old desktop
[23:02] <xubuntu076> with amd athlon
[23:02] <xubuntu076> 1Gb ram
[23:02] <Hund> It shouldnt be any problems.
[23:02] <xubuntu076> maybe i'm asking too much from this computer?
[23:02] <Hund> No.
[23:03] <xubuntu076> other example
[23:03] <xubuntu076> i open file manager
[23:03] <xubuntu076> icons do no appear unless selected
[23:04] <xubuntu076> my installation procedure is through a pendrive
[23:04] <weld_> xubuntu076, so you are still in the live session or have you already installed it?
[23:05] <xubuntu076> i have already installed it
[23:05] <xubuntu076> my graphics card is a GeForce2
[23:06] <xubuntu076> i have a lot of experience with ubuntu
[23:06] <xubuntu076> on installing in blades and servers
[23:06] <xubuntu076> (recent machines)
[23:07] <xubuntu076> but i've never found any such problem
[23:08] <xubuntu076> i've used universal pen installer software
[23:08] <xubuntu076> on windows
[23:08] <xubuntu076> to do the installation
[23:08] <xubuntu076> i mean, to make the installation pendrive
[23:08] <xubuntu076> maybe that's a problem?
[23:09] <xubuntu076> the menu during installation was already wit some "graphical faults"
[23:09] <xubuntu076> (i also don't have internet connected during installation)
[23:11] <xubuntu076> i'm currently doing a reinstalation
[23:11] <weld_> xubuntu076, i would do an upgrade after installation and check if it's different the latest kernel
[23:11] <weld_> s/the/with the/
[23:12] <xubuntu076> ahahah, sed synthax made me laugh
[23:12] <xubuntu076> :)
[23:12] <xubuntu076> thanks man
[23:12] <weld_> xubuntu076, that's common in irc;)
[23:13] <xubuntu076> i've just taken the .iso using the .torrent
[23:13] <xubuntu076> this afternoon
[23:13] <xubuntu076> 14.04.1
[23:13] <weld_> xubuntu076, i was often lucky and after apt-get update && apt-get upgrade the system was usable
[23:13] <weld_> while it was broken before (graphic-wise0
[23:13] <weld_> )
[23:14] <xubuntu076> K mate
[23:14] <xubuntu076> i'll try that out
[23:14] <xubuntu076> this seems to be graphics indeed
[23:24] <xubuntu076> it's gonna be tough to connect this baby to the internet
[23:24] <xubuntu076> modem is far away and i'm yet to buy a bigger ethernet cable....
[23:32] <xubuntu076> i'll have to test this tomorrow... ugh
[23:33] <xubuntu076> thanks for the advices weld_
[23:33] <xubuntu076> you think that apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will do the trick?
[23:34] <weld_> xubuntu076, no idea, you must be lucky ;)
[23:34] <xubuntu076> maybe a nvidia driver from their website can help too?
[23:35] <weld_> xubuntu076, i'm really not a driver expert but i think they don't provide any updated drivers for old cards at all, especially not for linux
[23:35] <weld_> but you'd have to check
[23:36] <weld_> last time i checked though they had some legacy version and one for newer cards
[23:38] <xubuntu076> in ubuntu there's a tool for that, right?
[23:38] <xubuntu076> for it to get you "the right driver"