[12:15] <dope> my skippy is broken
[12:19] <InuDuelist> Pssst, anyone wanna help me mount my windows partition really quickly?
[12:20] <stdin> InuDuelist: what's the problem ?
[12:21] <InuDuelist> Just forgot the command to mount my windows drive.
[12:21] <stdin> InuDuelist: do you want it to mount automatically, or just for now ?
[12:21] <InuDuelist> Automatically.
[12:21] <stdin> ok, you need to add a line to /etc/fstab
[12:22] <stdin> open it with Alt-F2, kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[12:22] <stdin> what's the device name of the windows partition ?
[12:23] <InuDuelist> Uh?
[12:23] <stdin> eg /dev/hda1 ?
[12:23] <mau12> ntfs
[12:23] <InuDuelist> Probably hdb1
[12:23] <InuDuelist> And NTFS.
[12:23] <stdin> and where do you want it to be mounted to ?
[12:24] <InuDuelist> Probably /media/windows
[12:24] <malik> whats the differens between flash plugin and shockwave plugin?
[12:24] <stdin> InuDuelist: so you need a line like "/dev/hdb1 /media/windows ntfs auto,umask=0000 0 0"
[12:25] <stdin> malik: shockwave is more for games, and isn't available on linux
[12:25] <InuDuelist> stdin, how do I add it to fstab?
[12:25] <malik> ooh ok then
[12:26] <stdin> InuDuelist: I told you to open it with, Alt-F2, kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[12:26] <InuDuelist> Oh, right.
[12:26] <InuDuelist> Do I just stick /dev/hdb1       /media/windows ntfs auto,umask=0000 0 0 to the end of it?
[12:26] <stdin> InuDuelist: yep
[12:26] <InuDuelist> OK thanks
[12:27] <stdin> InuDuelist: then just type "sudo mount /media/windows" to mount it for now, after that it will mount at boot
[12:27] <linux_galore> stdin: Im suprised kubuntu doesnt have the fstab editor plugin for kcontrol, its been out for ages
[12:27] <malik> stdin: when i click on .bin or .wma files in konqi kate starts opens the files automatically and corrupts it............how do i fix that?
[12:28] <stdin> linux_galore: it probably dose, but I never used it, so I can't give instructions on it :P
[12:28] <mau12> Please, help me. How can I boot my pc again with an windows cd if I had installed grub and after that I hve installed ubuntu as a unique os?
[12:28] <linux_galore> stdin: no, its not there by default, not sure if the plugin is on the repo though
[12:28] <stdin> malik: you need to add a file association with it, in Settings -> Configure Konqueror
[12:29] <stdin> linux_galore: System Settings -> Disk and Filesystems :)
[12:29] <linux_galore> stdin: aah they have put it in systemsettings
[12:29] <linux_galore> stdin: I never use the thing
[12:30] <malik> stdin: you mean associate an action with kate or with those filetypes so that kate doesnt open em?
[12:30] <stdin> linux_galore: I'm more of a CLI person :)
[12:30] <gan|y|med> hi
[12:30] <mau12> hi gan
[12:30] <dope> can someone help me with my skippy
[12:30] <stdin> malik: in konqueror, so kate wont open them
[12:30] <linux_galore> stdin: same here, too many late night with ssh and a dodgy server
[12:31] <dope> use vim
[12:31] <malik> !firefly
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firefly - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <malik> does any one knows how to use firefly extension of ff
[12:31] <InuDuelist> stdin, there's a problem.
[12:31] <InuDuelist> It won't mount /media/windows
[12:31] <gan|y|med> is there a special kernel option that is needed so that uuids can be used during boot-up?
[12:31] <malik> it says that it can turn FF into filebrowse too
[12:31] <stdin> InuDuelist: what's the error ?
[12:32] <linux_galore> malik: go to the mozilla home page and look the extension up, there should be a link to the home page
[12:32] <linux_galore> for the *
[12:32] <stdin> gan|y|med: no, just use "root=UUID=TheUUIDHere"
[12:32] <InuDuelist> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[12:32] <InuDuelist> mount: mount point /media/windows does not exist
[12:32] <InuDuelist> Oh.
[12:33] <InuDuelist> I just make an extra line at the end of fstab?
[12:33] <dope> so someone wanna help me with my skippy?
[12:33] <stdin> InuDuelist: yeah, and make the directory in /media, easiest way is to open konsole and type "sudo mkdir /media/windows"
[12:35] <linux_galore> dope: yeah mate, do you want the bugger rare or well done
[12:35] <dope> i just want it to work
[12:35] <dope> i read your text with an english accent in my head
[12:35] <InuDuelist> Thanks stdin, works.
[12:35] <stdin> InuDuelist: no problem :)
[12:35] <linux_galore> dope: find the home page for the project, they may have a forum
[12:36] <vbgunz> thunderbird is frigging BROKE!Z
[12:36] <gan|y|med> stdin: hm, just booted in initng with a new kernel, and suddenly it cannot mount my part anymore, complaining about uuids being used and not recognized. could the uuids have changed when using a new kernel?
[12:36] <vbgunz> what is the official thunderbird channel? on what server?
[12:37] <linux_galore> dope: http://thegraveyard.org/skippy.php   also note skippy is a gnome project and this is a kde centric channel
[12:37] <mau12> Im having problems with the update of openoffice. somebody knows something?
[12:38] <stdin> gan|y|med: they shouldn't have
[12:38] <faLUCE> Hi. A really difficoult question. If I launch xset in order to blank the screen while mplayer is running, and another script kills mplayer, xset returns to the desktop. I don't want that this happens (I want that the blank screen remains)... what should I do?
[12:38] <dope> it's on kde-look.org
[12:38] <stdin> gan|y|med: there is a command to check the uuids
[12:38] <stdin> !UUID
[12:38] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[12:38] <stdin> gan|y|med: blkid
[12:39] <malik> can any one have a look on this link for the firefly and tell me if i will be able to look up all the folders on the system with that?.......https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3076/
[12:40] <linux_galore> dope: kde has a built in task switcher anyway press alt-tab
[12:40] <vbgunz> Thunderbird is broke! how can they do this? It's broke on Windows and Kubuntu!? anyone know of the official channel?
[12:40] <dope> but i like the expose thing
[12:40] <dope> and kompose is slow
[12:41] <gan|y|med> stdin: thx
[12:41] <moparisthebest> is there a version of kubuntu for the ia64 architecture?
[12:41] <faLUCE> Hi. A really difficoult question. If I launch xset in order to blank the screen while mplayer is running, and another script kills mplayer, xset returns to the desktop. I don't want that this happens (I want that the blank screen remains)... what should I do?
[12:41] <linux_galore> dope: kompose is fast for me,  slow down the refresh rate in kompose
[12:42] <Ch1ppy> Hello, if I have a printer plugged into a USB port, what file would I use to access this device?
[12:42] <dope> linux_galore: where is that?
[12:42] <linux_galore> dope: I have a p3 933 at home and kompose is fine, you just have to slow the refresh down so it doesnt hog resources
[12:42] <dope> delay between screen shots?
[12:42] <linux_galore> dope:  right click on the kompose icon in the tray, same as windows
[12:43] <linux_galore> dope: yep
[12:43] <dope> make the number higher?
[12:43] <linux_galore> dope: yeah, increase the delay time
[12:44] <dope> it's at 999
[12:44] <dope> it's still not instant like bery :-/
[12:44] <stdin> vbgunz: the official thunderbird channel is #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org
[12:44] <vbgunz> thank you!
[12:44] <linux_galore> dope: if you run kompose in beryl you going to have a huge lag problem
[12:45] <linux_galore> dope: allot of stuff hasnt been ported yet for beryl
[12:45] <frank___> (Please don't laugh)  I keet running  xhost+ to give another user on my computer access to display on X. How stupid is that from a security perspective?
[12:45] <dope> i run kompose because beryl was a hog
[12:45] <Anon5510> t
[12:45] <underdog5004> yay, I'm finally back...guess they repaired the FiOp line...
[12:45] <linux_galore> dope: I dare say you need more ram or a better system if you want to run fancy resource hogging graphics tools
[12:45] <dope> NNOOOOO
[12:46] <dope> why won't my 386 work?
[12:46] <linux_galore> dope eye candy = lots of system resources
[12:46] <stdin> frank___: that is quite stupid yes :P you can just use "xhost +LOCAL:" to give only _local_ users access to the display
[12:46] <dope> someone said it was a nvidia driver bug i had with beryl
[12:46] <dope> otherwise i'd use it
[12:46] <dope> i've got a decent system here
[12:46] <dope> 2.4Ghz P4 1g ram 6800xt
[12:46] <linux_galore> dope beryl is still expermental
[12:47] <dope> yea so i've noticed :P
[12:47] <frank___> stdin: oh...  could anyone on the internet run something on my computer this way? or would they still need my password?
[12:47] <linux_galore> dope kompose wont really be of any use till you move to kde 4
[12:47] <dope> where do i get kde 4 at
[12:48] <linux_galore> dope first get a time machine and go forward 6 months
[12:48] <mau12> kde 4 is just a beta
[12:48] <dope> why do they have a 4th version?
[12:48] <dope> why couldn't they get it right the first time?
[12:48] <linux_galore> dope its a new release,  kompose was originally just a hack
[12:48] <dope> anyone here use a dvorak keyboard layout?
[12:49] <slyfox> I need to associate mp3 in firefox with Amarok, to do that I need to point firefox to amarok, where is amarok isntalled ?
[12:49] <stdin> frank___: they would still need to login to the system to do it, but allowing unrestricted access can have some security issues, if you only open it to local users, that risk it reduced significantly
[12:49] <linux_galore> dope: just you and that dyslexic monkey in the corner
[12:49] <dope> slyfox: try /usr/bin/amarok
[12:49] <linux_galore> :-P
[12:49] <dope> :/
[12:49] <dope> it's supposed to be better than qwerty
[12:49] <dope> i'm too lazy to relearn how to type
[12:49] <frank___> stdin: ok thanks
[12:50] <stdin> np :)
[12:50] <frank___> stdin: I'm trying to figure out why my ISP detected an IRC bot from my connection ;(
[12:50] <linux_galore> dope: if its so much better how come the worlds fastest typed doesnt use dvorak, maybe because key layout doesnt make that much difference
[12:50] <linux_galore> typer*
[12:51] <slyfox> dope: thank you
[12:51] <stdin> frank___: a bot, or a proxy?
[12:51] <gan|y|med> what is dvorak?
[12:51] <linux_galore> gan|y|med: alternate key layout
[12:51] <stdin> !dvorak | gan|y|med
[12:51] <ubotu> gan|y|med: dvorak is a keyboard layout that aims to be more comfortable and efficient alternative to the standard "QWERTY" pattern. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard
[12:51] <frank___> stdin: either this computer a Windows PC or someone else on my router (which I hadn't encrypted)  They told me it was a irc bot on port 61899
[12:51] <gan|y|med> thx
[12:52] <linux_galore> doesnt make any difference though
[12:52] <surgy> what do i need to extract a .rar archive?
[12:52] <dope> woo i helped someone!
[12:52] <linux_galore> surgy: unrar
[12:52] <slyfox> dope: wow it appeares that Amarok does nto know how to handle m3u files. I open one and it is fine, then I want to lsiten to the enxt one and ANOTHER amarok opens up? !!
[12:52] <dope> eh i dunno, try winamp :P
[12:53] <linux_galore> surgy: install  unrar then the archive manager can open the file
[12:53] <surgy> linux_galore: i have unrar but it doesnt show up in kde menu and i tryed "unrar file.rar" and it doesnt work
[12:53] <surgy> linux_galore: ark is still saying it cant open it
[12:53] <linux_galore> surgy:   thats because unrar is a command line tool
[12:53] <linux_galore> surgy: you have to tell ark to use unrar
[12:53] <stdin> frank___: tell your isp to "suck it" :P
[12:53] <surgy> how?
[12:54] <frank___> stdin: well, if it's true, I must have a problem somewhere
[12:55] <surgy> linux_galore: how do i tell it to use unrar?
[12:55] <mau12> I'm still having problems with the instalation of tar.gz package. Could somebody help me?
[12:56] <moparisthebest> is there a kubuntu install for the ia64 architecture?
[12:57] <linux_galore> surgy: wouldnt have a clue, I usually just type  unrar filename.rar
[12:58] <linux_galore> moparisthebest: have to use Debian
[12:58] <hackman127> I'm trying to play an MP3 in KDE on a new install of kubuntu using amaroK, but when I play the MP3, it immediately says "Playlist finished". Any ideas?
[12:58] <gan|y|med> that layout brilliant. so the question is where to get a keyboard (especially because i have a notebook)
[12:58] <gan|y|med> is
[12:58] <stdin> !mp3 | hackman127
[12:58] <ubotu> hackman127: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:58] <linux_galore> moparisthebest: its considered by many a dead architecture
[12:58] <stdin> hackman127: you need to install mp3 support
[12:59] <gan|y|med> dope: are those keyboards freely available?
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago_> Eyeless: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[12:59] <dope> dunno
[12:59] <sleepy745> in adept, whats the difference between purge and remove?
[12:59] <dope> i just read about them once
[12:59] <mau12> hackman have u download the codecs for kde?
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago_> oops, way behind, didn't realize
[12:59] <stdin> sleepy745: purge removes the configuration files too
[01:00] <mau12> hackman: have you download the audio codecs for kde?
[01:00] <ZombieLove> Hey everyone, looking to purchase a laptop tonight and I'd like to get one that is supported very well for Ubuntu/Kubuntu. Any recommendations?
[01:01] <sleepy745> does it remove stuff in xodrg.conf?
[01:01] <linux_galore> moparisthebest: if you talking about a new Intel 64 bit cpu just use the 64 bit version of Kubuntu
[01:01] <sleepy745> I want to uninstall beryl and keep the settings in xorg.conf to install a newer version
[01:02] <chickener> ZombieLove:  perhaps look for nvidia graphics and intel wireless.  i've had best luck with laptops and that combination.
[01:02] <moparisthebest> linux_galore, I thought the 64 bit version was just for amd cpus?
[01:02] <stdin> sleepy745: no, just the beryl config files. not xorg.conf
[01:02] <sleepy745> ok
[01:03] <linux_galore> moparisthebest: intel basically copied amd's stuff
[01:03] <mau12> zombie: hp
[01:03] <moparisthebest> so it will work linux_galore ?
[01:03] <ZombieLove> chickener: can you recommend a vendor (e.g. lenovo, dell, hp, etc..)?
[01:03] <ZombieLove> mau12: i'll check out hp now
[01:03] <stdin> amd64 packages are just optimised for AMD. but work fine on intel
[01:03] <dope> i don't think my surround sound is working
[01:03] <linux_galore> moparisthebest: yep
[01:04] <mau12> ok I'm using one right now
[01:04] <moparisthebest> so should I use the amd64 package or the x86 package?
[01:04] <moparisthebest> which would be better?
[01:04] <ZombieLove> mau12: what model are you using?
[01:04] <linux_galore> moparisthebest: yep, the extensions to x86 that amd added Intel use ie x86-64  and amd64 are very very much the same
[01:05] <HymnToLife> actually, Intel's EM64T is just a reimplementation of AMD's AMD64
[01:05] <moparisthebest> ok linux_galore thanks for all the help :)
[01:05] <HymnToLife> they even paid a license for it :p
[01:06] <mau12> a little old modelmpavilion zt1145
[01:06] <linux_galore> HymnToLife: I read the spec two years ago and noticed they x86-64 stuff intel had was the same, didnt know about the license though
[01:07] <linux_galore> HymnToLife: thats all going to change when amd start adding 128/256 gpu's to the cpu's
[01:07] <dope> how do i give programs a higher priority
[01:07] <dope> so when a bunch of things are happening at once my music doesn't get affected
[01:08] <HymnToLife> yep, hopefull ATi will have made decent Linux drivers by then
[01:08] <linux_galore> 128/256 bit*
[01:08] <HymnToLife> hopefully*
[01:09] <linux_galore> HymnToLife: my owrry is about the quad core stuff because how intel are doing it is different from amd's solution
[01:09] <linux_galore> worry*
[01:09] <stdin> dope: in KSysGaurd: right click -> Renice Process, in konsole "man renice"
[01:10] <dubeau> salut
[01:10] <dubeau> j'ai un serieux probleme
[01:10] <HymnToLife> !fr
[01:10] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:10] <stdin> !fr
[01:10] <CSonicGo> haha
[01:10] <HymnToLife> stdin, pwn3d :p
[01:10] <stdin> :D
[01:10] <dubeau> quelqu'un peut m'aider
[01:11] <dubeau> ?
[01:11] <matt0507> hi, what is the console command to mount my other partition named sda2? system shutdown improperly and now cant access my partition.
[01:11] <HymnToLife> !fr
[01:11] <stdin> dubeau: #kubuntu-fr svp :)
[01:11] <dubeau> ss
[01:12] <CSonicGo> I wish I knew French. :(
[01:12] <stdin> matt0507: what filesystem is it, where do you want to mount it and is it in /etc/fstab ?
[01:12] <mau12> matt0507 have you ever used gparted?
[01:13] <matt0507> its an ntfs systema nd i want to mount it in /media
[01:13] <stdin> matt0507: where in /media ?
[01:13] <matt0507> just at /media/
[01:13] <dubeau> Bad request: The IMAP server is reporting that plain text logins are disabled. Using CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 authentication instead may work. Also, the use of TLS may allow SquirrelMail to login. Please contact your system administrator and report this error.
[01:14] <dubeau> voici mon erreur sur squirrelmail
[01:14] <HymnToLife> !fr
[01:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:14] <dubeau> quelqu'un m'aider
[01:14] <HymnToLife> dubeau, quatre fois qu'on te dit d'aller sur #ubuntu-fr !
[01:14] <dubeau> c'est urgent
[01:14] <stdin> matt0507: you shouldn't mount things to /media , if you (for example) want to use a CD, you won't be able to
[01:15] <CSonicGo> HymnToLife: remember that famous line from Pulp fiction... :P
[01:15] <linux_galore> matt0507: /media  is for removable media not for static file systems
[01:15] <dubeau> merci
[01:15] <dubeau> a tous
[01:15] <HymnToLife> afraid not, I saw it ages ago
[01:15] <matt0507> stdin: oh so where should i mount it?
[01:16] <mau12> debeau: Habla usted espaol?
[01:16] <CSonicGo> ah
[01:16] <stdin> matt0507: a good place would be /media/windows
[01:16] <CSonicGo> that isn't spanish
[01:16] <linux_galore> matt0507:   make a directory in  /mnt/     is  sudo mkdir  /mnt/windows  then mount that
[01:16] <mau12> yes
[01:16] <linux_galore> ie*
[01:17] <CSonicGo> HymnToLife: "ENGLISH *****, do you speak it?!" was the line
[01:17] <stdin> linux_galore: /mnt is for temporary (eg network) mounts :P
[01:17] <K-Ryan> Evening #kubuntu
[01:17] <stdin> linux_galore: filesystem standards must be adhered to :P
[01:17] <HymnToLife> yep, why not mount it directly on /windows ?
[01:18] <linux_galore> stdin: news to me
[01:18] <stdin> matt0507: for a temporary solution use "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /mnt -o umask=0000"
[01:19] <stdin> linux_galore: but you are right, /media is for removable media, not partitions :)
[01:19] <K-Ryan> stdin how would i mount my external hdd?
[01:19] <K-Ryan> it's either not being nice with windows, or its broke...
[01:19] <stdin> K-Ryan: depends what filesystem it has
[01:19] <K-Ryan> fat32
[01:20] <matt0507> linux_galore:  what is the command to mount sda2 to /mnt/windows?
[01:20] <stdin> K-Ryan: and what's the device location (eg /dev/sda1) ?
[01:20] <K-Ryan> i dont get that part
[01:20] <K-Ryan> its hooked in a usb
[01:20] <stdin> matt0507: "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /mnt/windows -o umask=0000"
[01:20] <matt0507> stdin: ty
[01:21] <XenThraL> Hi, I was wondering if its possible to use the fonts that come with kubuntu in a commercial product?
[01:21] <stdin> K-Ryan: it should show the device in "/media" or "media:/" in konq
[01:21] <K-Ryan> its not there stdin
[01:22] <stdin> K-Ryan: ok, the hard(er) way then :P
[01:22] <XenThraL> ...anyone know the licensing on them, would it be an issue?
[01:22] <stdin> K-Ryan: open konsole
[01:22] <K-Ryan> XenThraL I believe it's free to use
[01:22] <stdin> K-Ryan: type: sudo fdisl -l
[01:22] <XenThraL> in any venture?
[01:22] <mau12> Xenthral you shoul read the GNU license
[01:22] <stdin> XenThraL: the fonts in Kubuntu should be GPL
[01:22] <underdog5004> !gnu
[01:22] <ubotu> G(NU's) N(ot) U(nix). A project that aimed to develop a complete operating system of Free Software, which Ubuntu is based on. See http://gnu.org
[01:22] <XenThraL> mau12: I have no idea how it applies to fonts
[01:22] <K-Ryan> sudo fdisl -l
[01:22] <K-Ryan> command not found
[01:23] <underdog5004> K-Ryan, fdisk, not fdisl
[01:23] <stdin> K-Ryan: typo :P  sudo fdisk -l
[01:23] <K-Ryan> =)
[01:23] <underdog5004> lol
[01:23] <K-Ryan> oh poo
[01:23] <K-Ryan> it doesn't show
[01:23] <K-Ryan> it's not connected
[01:24] <mau12> Do Fonts belong to the project?
[01:24] <K-Ryan> sda1 ?
[01:24] <stdin> K-Ryan: check in "/media" or "media:/" in konq now
[01:24] <K-Ryan> its there in sda1
[01:24] <K-Ryan> but its apparantly empty?
[01:25] <K-Ryan> i definitly had a good 80GB on it though...
[01:25] <K-Ryan>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[01:25] <K-Ryan> /dev/sda1               1       30401   244196001    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[01:26] <matt0507> K-Ryan:that happens to my ntfs partition , until i asked and i mounted it it elsewhere, now i can see the files
[01:26] <K-Ryan> alright then, how can i mount it elsewhere?
[01:26] <stdin> K-Ryan: pmount /dev/sda1 MyDisk
[01:26] <stdin> (no sudo)
[01:27] <stdin> it'll be in /media/MyDisk then
[01:27] <K-Ryan> mount:wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or other error. In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
[01:27] <hackman127> stdin, That got MP3 working. Thanks
[01:28] <stdin> K-Ryan: don't look good, try "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[01:28] <stdin> hackman127: no problem :)
[01:28] <K-Ryan> same error
[01:28] <ubuntu_> I made a mistake and mkswap'd the wrong partition. Now everytime I try to mount that partition I get "/dev/hda2 looks like swapspace - not mounted." Can I fix this?
[01:29] <stdin> K-Ryan: hmm, looks very bad
[01:29] <K-Ryan> stdin: bb in 20, dinner
[01:29] <stdin> K-Ryan: seems the filesystem is corrupt
[01:29] <stdin> ubuntu_: reformat it as something else
[01:30] <ubuntu_> There's a file on that partition I'd like to have...
[01:30] <stdin> ubuntu_: seeing as you formatted the partition (as swap), it may be gone
[01:30] <ubuntu_> Well crap, there goes all my bookmarks.
[01:31] <underdog5004> anyone seen genii lately?
[01:32] <stdin> underdog5004: he was on last night, but not today afaik
[01:32] <underdog5004> ok...I recently changed my username...haven't spoken to him for a while...
[01:35] <underdog5004> so...anyone have experience w/ teg?
[01:35] <underdog5004> !teg
[01:35] <ubotu> Come play teg with us!  (Like the board game Risk.)  Game will start when we get some players rounded up - get yourself set up and join quickly if you'd like to participate.  Install the "teg" package, run 'tegclient', and connect to server yarusso.no-ip.org, port 2000.  Ping tonyyarusso for more info.
[01:36] <stdin> nope
[01:36] <ZombieLove> Hey Everyone,
[01:36] <ZombieLove> what do you all think about http://www.linuxcertified.com/index.html? Are they a good company to buy laptops from?
[01:36] <underdog5004> bummer
[01:38] <underdog5004> ZombieLove, I've had _no_ experience w/ them...sorry...
[01:39] <CaBlGuY> there a way to remove Totem without messin up my current install?
[01:39] <chickener> i've always been the guy that bought first then tinkered endlessly to get it to mostly work
[01:39] <chickener> removing totem shouldn't break anything
[01:39] <CaBlGuY> but, it's saying if I remove it, Ubuntu desktop goes with it.
[01:39] <CaBlGuY> :/
[01:40] <stdin> CaBlGuY: "kubuntu-desktop" and "ubuntu-desktop" are meta packages, and is safe to remove
[01:40] <underdog5004> cableguy...sudo apt-get remove --purge totem ?
[01:41] <ZombieLove> underdog: can you recommend a good distributor or a solid laptop with good linux support? I'm surfing around endlessly on all the major vendors and can't find something I feel comfortable with.
[01:41] <chickener> yes that happens on occasion.  why are you wanting to remove totem?  maybe just delete the icon from the menu and pretend you deleted it.
[01:41] <CaBlGuY> stdin:  ok, so that won't mess up my desktop GUI then right?
[01:42] <CaBlGuY> chickener:  don't use it, don't need it, and I got "updates" on my taskbar..
[01:42] <stdin> CaBlGuY: no, they aren't "real" packages, they just depend on all the default applications
[01:42] <CaBlGuY> stdin:  okey.. thanks..  ;)
[01:42] <stdin> :)
[01:42] <chickener> yes i like mplayer and vlc better in gnome
[01:42] <Minataku> ZombieLove: Toshiba
[01:42] <ZombieLove> minataku: thanks, I'll check that out
[01:43] <Minataku> Not only are they the best laptops, they've got great Linux support
[01:43] <Minataku> I should know, I'm using one right now
[01:43] <Minataku>  19:41:33 up 27 days,  6:33,  6 users,  load average: 0.31, 0.61, 0.62
[01:43] <Minataku> :D
[01:43] <underdog5004> ZombieLove, I personally would recommend the Dell Inspiron B130 <==Not sure about model
[01:43] <ZombieLove> Heh, cute...    They replace but still..
[01:45] <Minataku> ZombieLove: I've got 4 Toshibas from 1987 to 2003
[01:45] <ZombieLove> How about lenovo? Anyone have one and running linux?
[01:46] <ZombieLove> I'm going to check out toshiba heavily...
[01:46] <ZombieLove> I've just never used them so I'm scared :(
[01:46] <Minataku> lol
[01:46] <Minataku> You'll never want to use another brand
[01:46] <stdin> Minataku: how responsive is that 19 year old one ?
[01:46] <Minataku> stdin: Quite
[01:46] <Minataku> Even the HDD still works perfectly
[01:47] <stdin> Minataku: nice, it's 1 year younger than me :)
[01:47] <Minataku> lol
[01:47] <Minataku> Toshiba T1200
[01:47] <underdog5004> lol, old stuff is much more reliable than new stuff...found an old 20 MB hdd in the barn...powered up and I was in dos...oh boy!
[01:47] <Minataku> Intel i80C86 @ 9.54MHz
[01:48] <Minataku> One of if not the first laptop with an HDD
[01:48] <underdog5004> Minataku, how big is the hdd?
[01:49] <Minataku> 20MB
[01:49] <K-Ryan> stdin I think it's broken
[01:49] <K-Ryan> I tried a different port, replugging the cables.
[01:49] <stdin> K-Ryan: it may just be the filesystem
[01:50] <K-Ryan> fat32?
[01:50] <K-Ryan> i thought it was compatible with linux
[01:50] <stdin> K-Ryan: I mean the filesystem may be corrupt, you could try and reformat it (and loose all your data)
[01:50] <K-Ryan> i cant format it
[01:51] <Minataku> *lose
[01:51] <K-Ryan> the filesystem was locked
[01:51] <stdin> Minataku: heh, yeah :)
[01:51] <underdog5004> K-Ryan, or you can boot w/ the windows XP install disc, hit R, then type in chkdsk /P to check the disk and fs for errors
[01:51] <Minataku> stdin: Sorry, I just cringe when I see errors like that XD
[01:52] <K-Ryan> loose is common, overly common
[01:52] <K-Ryan> but i mean, they don't even sound the same
[01:52] <K-Ryan> Hey, uhh, the sda1 folder is still there, even though it's not connected.
[01:53] <ZombieLove> Is there any good reason to have blue tooth on my laptop?
[01:53] <ZombieLove> I don't think I'd use it
[01:53] <K-Ryan> ZombieLove contact with other bluetooth devices
[01:53] <K-Ryan> That's it
[01:53] <underdog5004> ZombieLove, for syncing w/ your cell phone, for example
[01:53] <Minataku> Which is not that desireable
[01:53] <Minataku> I'd say leave it
[01:53] <ZombieLove> ... hrmm... it's a $35.00 option and I'm torn!! I hate purchasing tihngs!!
[01:53] <stdin> K-Ryan: what did you mean the filesystem is locked ?
[01:54] <K-Ryan> well when i wanted to make part of it ext3 for kubuntu from the live cd
[01:54] <K-Ryan> i couldnt
[01:54] <stdin> ZombieLove: if you don't have any bluetooth devices, then don't get it :P
[01:54] <K-Ryan> it showed a lock and i couldnt modify it
[01:54] <ZombieLove> stdin: but what if I get some?! I'd never forgive myself :S
[01:54] <K-Ryan> ZombieLove you can buy a USB Blue tooth thing
[01:54] <K-Ryan> I think they make 'em
[01:54] <ZombieLove> good piont
[01:55] <stdin> K-Ryan: it should work, unless it's mounted, which it isn't now. Just install gparted and reformat it
[01:55] <K-Ryan> gparted, package?
[01:55] <HymnToLife> !info gparted
[01:55] <ubotu> gparted: GNOME partition editor. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.5-1.1ubuntu11 (edgy), package size 314 kB, installed size 1588 kB
[01:55] <stdin> K-Ryan: yeah, sudo apt-get install gaprted
[01:55] <K-Ryan> !kparted
[01:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:55] <stdin> damn, typos again
[01:55] <K-Ryan> oh well, gnome still works
[01:56] <stdin> K-Ryan: gparted is less buggy then qtparted
[01:56] <K-Ryan> so much for backing up my entire HDD to install kubuntu =(
[01:56] <underdog5004> I love KDE, personally, but Xfce 4.4.0 was recently released!
[01:56] <underdog5004> That looks pretty good, too
[01:56] <K-Ryan> Is there anything that could go wrong formatting an external hard drive?
[01:56] <stdin> I like enlightenment, I use it when I'm not in KDE
[01:56] <K-Ryan> If it's a connection issue would the program tell me?
[01:57] <underdog5004> K-Ryan, uh, no, unless you somehow want to save data from it
[01:57] <K-Ryan> underdog5004 if i cant read any data by any means
[01:57] <K-Ryan> there is no data
[01:57] <underdog5004> stdin, I tried it, but I couldn't really get into it...
[01:57] <underdog5004> alright, I"m gettin' outta here...see y'all later
[01:58] <K-Ryan> yeah i think its corrupt
[01:58] <K-Ryan> I can't f'ing believe it
[01:59] <K-Ryan> Hey should I make 2 partitions, 1 ext3 and 1 ntfs?
[01:59] <stdin> right, I have to go, gotta be up early tomorrow
[01:59] <K-Ryan> or maybe one fat32?
[01:59] <K-Ryan> its 233GB mind you
[01:59] <LordOllie> is kubuntu man page deficient or is it just me?
[02:01] <LordOllie> !man
[02:01] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:04] <crystal> what repository would have firestarter  or kmyfirewall ?
[02:04] <LjL> !firestarter
[02:04] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[02:04] <LjL> !kmyfirewall
[02:04] <ubotu> kmyfirewall: iptables based firewall configuration tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 1211 kB, installed size 4056 kB
[02:04] <LjL> !guarddog
[02:04] <ubotu> guarddog: firewall configuration utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 476 kB, installed size 1424 kB
[02:04] <LjL> !info firestarter
[02:04] <ubotu> firestarter: gtk program for managing and observing your firewall. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1.2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 383 kB, installed size 1884 kB
[02:05] <crystal> thanks
[02:05] <K-Ryan> i'd say spam, but...
[02:05] <LjL> sorry
[02:05] <ZombieLove> How about System 76 (http://www.system76.com)... Anyone have any experience with those guys? Are they a solid choice to buy a laptop from?
[02:06] <LjL> i'd say offtopic
[02:06] <K-Ryan> LjL I was only kidding =P
[02:06] <HymnToLife> !offtopic | ZombieLove
[02:06] <ubotu> ZombieLove: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:08] <Zuph> Hi everyone.  I just installed kubuntu, and I was wondering if there was a way to get gaim (or any IM program) to dock to the side like trillian, aim, et al. in windows.  IE, the window stays on top and doesn't allow other windows to maximise under it.
[02:08] <LjL> K-Ryan: it's ok, i could have used private messages anyway
[02:08] <K-Ryan> Really, I was just busting your chops.
[02:08] <ZombieLove> Sorry about the off topic. Thanks for your help. I'll use the proper channel.
[02:10] <K-Ryan> Not looking good for my external...
[02:11] <ted_> uhm
[02:11] <ted_> how to change the charset in Konversation to latin-1?
[02:12] <LjL> well my not being in a very good mood meant i got a bit on the upset side and wasn't nice to ZombieLove - the offtopic argument still stands, but i shouldn't have put it that way, sorry
[02:12] <LjL> ted_: hm, i'm afraid you'd have to change it a bit more globally
[02:13] <ZombieLove> LjL: No offense taken. Glad you pointed out I was in the wrong place.
[02:14] <ted_> LjL
[02:14] <ted_> uhm how do I do that?
[02:14] <HymnToLife> do what ?
[02:16] <LjL> ted_, actually, i don't know. if you type "locale", you will get a list of variables you can change, however i don't know what's the right place to set those variables to make them stick, and i also doubt changing them is a good idea
[02:16] <HymnToLife> long story short : switch to xchat :)
[02:18] <ted_> HymnToLife thx :D used that before, but couldnt remember the name
[02:18] <HymnToLife> and be happy because Ubuntu has the correct libs and will let you compile xchat 2.8
[02:19] <HymnToLife> unlike Debian, first sime I ever see a thing Ubuntu has and Debian hasn't
[02:19] <adamwest> hey
[02:19] <Alarm> i just did the latest update that was availably today for the adept_manager,  and now my fonts in the adept_manager (only) are really small , how can i change that ?
[02:20] <K-Ryan> !adeptfix
[02:20] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:21] <K-Ryan> path to sources.list anyone?
[02:21] <HymnToLife> /etc/apt/source.list
[02:21] <HymnToLife> sources*
[02:21] <K-Ryan> thx
[02:29] <K-Ryan> hey guys how would i add "http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libsdl1.2debian-all" to my repo list?
[02:29] <K-Ryan> i know the whole adept thing but what about distro and components
[02:30] <HymnToLife> this is a single package, not a repo
[02:30] <HymnToLife> and you don't want to run Debian packages in Ubuntu anyway
[02:30] <HymnToLife> (all the more as Ubuntu has the very same in it's repos)
[02:30] <K-Ryan> Well I need some packages to play a certain game
[02:30] <K-Ryan> sdl, sdl-image, sdl-mixer, sdl-devel, sdl-image-devel, sdl-mixer-devel
[02:31] <K-Ryan> How can I get them? Doesn't work with sudo apt-get
[02:31] <HymnToLife> all those exist in Ubuntu, too
[02:31] <HymnToLife> it definitely works with apt-get
[02:31] <HymnToLife> !info libsdl1.2debian-all
[02:31] <ubotu> libsdl1.2debian-all: Simple DirectMedia Layer (with all available options). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10-3ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 205 kB, installed size 504 kB
[02:32] <K-Ryan> yeah now it works >.>
[02:33] <K-Ryan> HymnToLife what are the names of all those packages
[02:33] <K-Ryan> because those dont work
[02:33] <Tonren> I'm trying to download a torrent with KTorrent.  It's going at average 12.1 KB/s, but I'm on a consumer cable modem and I know it can go tens of times faster.  I'm looking at my list of peers; ther eare several with 100% availability but I'm not downloading OR uploading to them.  They're not choked, they're not snubbed, and my ports are all forwarded.  Why aren't I downloading?
[02:34] <K-Ryan> Proram limit?
[02:34] <HymnToLife> K-Ryan, can't you just search for them in Adept ?
[02:34] <K-Ryan> *Program"
[02:34] <Tonren> K-Ryan: Was that directed to me?
[02:34] <K-Ryan> Yes Tonren
[02:34] <K-Ryan> As in are the settings correct for KTorrent
[02:34] <K-Ryan> HymnToLife I'll try...
[02:35] <Tonren> K-Ryan: Yes.  I have 0 upload & download limit.
[02:35] <HymnToLife> Tonren, you are downloading
[02:35] <HymnToLife> maybe your sources have a poor connection
[02:35] <Tonren> HymnToLife: Yes, but only on an average of 10KB/s.
[02:35] <Tonren> HymnToLife: Would that cause ZERO download speed, though?
[02:36] <hugo> how can I rerun the routine which does autoconfigure my VGA card on install? Not the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg stuff.
[02:36] <HymnToLife> Tonren, 10 kb/s is more than zero, so it works
[02:36] <HymnToLife> I don't think there's anything you can do about the speeed
[02:37] <Tonren> HymnToLife: No no, I mean my average total speed is 10 KB/s.  Certain peers give me zero.
[02:37] <HymnToLife> then I think there's something wrong on their side, not yours
[02:37] <user-land> What do you use when you want to make an archive from a folder in Konqueror ?
[02:37] <HymnToLife> given that yours seems to work
[02:38] <Tonren> Also, I don't have the documentation.  How do I get Ktorrent's docs?
[02:39] <chickener> Tonren:  have you opened the necessary ports for ktorrent?
[02:40] <K-Ryan> He said he forwarded all his ports
[02:40] <K-Ryan> Don't know if forwarded and opened are the same thing though
[02:40] <chickener> yes i had troubles at first
[02:40] <Tonren> chickener: Yes, they're all forwarded
[02:40] <Tonren> chickener: What do you mean by "opened"?
[02:40] <frojnd> how can I kill firefox
[02:40] <chickener> i had it forwarded on the modem/router
[02:40] <chickener> but needed to use iptables to open the port in ubuntu
[02:40] <K-Ryan> frojnd: kill?
[02:40] <frojnd> killall firefox wouldnt work
[02:41] <Tonren> chickener: Weird.  How do you do that?  Is there a gui way?  How do I know if they're open?
[02:41] <foxbunny> I keep failing to set up XGL as per wiki directions... is there something not right in the wiki page?
[02:42] <user-land> There is an Ark plugin for Konqueror, but where can i find the correct version for Edgy ?
[02:43] <frojnd> someone how can I kill firefoxes all procesess
[02:43] <foxbunny> frojnd: doesn't killall help?
[02:44] <frojnd> no
[02:44] <foxbunny> hmm
[02:44] <frojnd> no process killed
[02:44] <malik> may sudo killall
[02:44] <sleepy745> how do I make kiba-dock startup on install?
[02:44] <foxbunny> how many are there listed?
[02:44] <malik> or u can kill it with runaway process catcher?
[02:44] <Tonren> sleepy745: you mean start on startup?
[02:45] <sleepy745> yes
[02:45] <frojnd> malik: nothing
[02:45] <foxbunny> frojnd: I think killall can issue specific signals to process IDs rather than names... try that
[02:45] <Tonren> chickener: Can you help me out, man?
[02:45] <foxbunny> frojnd: SIGTERM to all PIDs that are relevant...
[02:46] <foxbunny> frojnd: or SIGKILL... I forget
[02:47] <chickener> http://azureuswiki.com/index.php/NAT_problem#Port_Forwarding_on_Linux.2C_specifically_Ubuntu
[02:47] <Murrlin> "yipes!" my sound disappeared. help?
[02:47] <frojnd> foxbunny: sigkill firefox?
[02:47] <chickener> this fixed my issue
[02:47] <Murrlin> getting a "couldnt open audio" popup
[02:48] <chickener> along with portforward.com
[02:48] <foxbunny> frojnd: nope... wait a sec
[02:48] <foxbunny> frojnd: try this: ps ax | grep firefox
[02:49] <foxbunny> frojnd: write down PID numbers for all firefox-related stuff
[02:49] <malik> use KTorrents its much better n faster than azureus
[02:49] <frojnd>  6382 ?        Sl   111:27 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin
[02:49] <frojnd>  9527 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep firefox
[02:49] <frojnd> thats it
[02:50] <foxbunny> frojnd: issue kill -s TERM 6382
[02:51] <frojnd> foxbunny: thx :)
[02:51] <foxbunny> frojnd: worked?
[02:51] <frojnd> zep
[02:51] <frojnd> yep
[02:52] <foxbunny> frojnd: you could have also used killall
[02:52] <foxbunny> but you needed to match the longish /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin
[02:52] <foxbunny> not firefox
[02:52] <foxbunny> kill is just that bit more intuitive
[02:52] <foxbunny> hehe
[02:53] <foxbunny> kill -s TERM Windows... for example
[02:53] <Tonren> What are ktorrent's "upload slots"?
[02:53] <Tonren> Also, again, how do I get Ktorrents' docs?  When I go to KTorrent Handbook it says "There are no documents for ktorrent"
[02:53] <malik> is there any way of turning FF from repos into a file browser as well?
[02:55] <endo602> how do i make knoqueror open up full screen?
[02:56] <Theory> as in start maximised?
[02:56] <endo602> yes
[02:56] <Theory> always, or only for file browsing/web browsing?
[02:56] <endo602> web browsing
[02:57] <malik> is there any way of turning FF from repos into a file browser as well?
[02:57] <Theory> endo602: load it up, click maximize, click settings->save view profile
[02:57] <Theory> tick "Save window size in profile"
[02:57] <Theory> then click save
[02:58] <endo602> nice
[02:58] <endo602> thanks
[02:59] <malik> is there any way that i can use FF as file browser too?
[02:59] <adamwest> lol
[03:00] <adamwest> that's for FF itself to build... i think so. it's not like konquerer or IE
[03:00] <foxbunny> are there any general Linux IRC channels?
[03:00] <malik> i take that as no
[03:00] <InuDuelist> Hey, are the rest of you guys having Kubuntu use up almost 600MB of RAM?
[03:01] <HymnToLife> InuDuelist, that's normal
[03:01] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: I don't have that much RAM. :)
[03:01] <malik> yes it has used nearly all of my 1 GB ddr ram
[03:01] <HymnToLife> in *NIX, unused RAM is wasted RAM
[03:01] <HymnToLife> so it uses as much RAM as it can
[03:01] <InuDuelist> HymnToLife: Well, it's a problem when I can't open any more programs.
[03:02] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: some of it is cached data... not actually used by apps
[03:02] <HymnToLife> InuDuelist, are you sure you can't ?
[03:02] <InuDuelist> Yep.
[03:03] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: I had a prob with RAM shortage (another distro) when digiKam ate up all my RAM, then filled up the swap... I couldn't move my mouse, let alone start new apps...
[03:03] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: my current physical memmory usage is about 200 MB
[03:04] <malik> fedora 5 and 6 are very good with RAMbut i dont think they have this good community support IRC channel
[03:04] <foxbunny> malik: most of them don't ;)
[03:04] <juano__> would anyone know why in windows my pc will vanish from my network places and from ubuntu it works fine, they wont vanish?
[03:05] <malik> foxbunny: most of whome?........other distros?
[03:05] <malik> whom*
[03:05] <foxbunny> malik: exactly
[03:05] <malik> aaaaaaaaah
[03:05] <foxbunny> malik: tech support generally depends on two things
[03:05] <foxbunny> malik: geekness of the community and
[03:06] <foxbunny> malik: the question
[03:06] <malik> well atm i love kubuntu better than other distros, fedora was my first love so it still brings back good memory coz it was very stable once setup
[03:07] <sleepy745> how do you make the kiba-dock panel transparent?
[03:07] <foxbunny> frojnd: I just remembered something
[03:07] <malik> although i tried Gnome on it .....now i thinkl cud have tried kde too
[03:07] <frojnd> anything useful?
[03:07] <foxbunny> frojnd: you could have also used KDE System Guard... much easier for novices
[03:08] <foxbunny> frojnd: it's the KSysGuard item in the System menu
[03:08] <frojnd> k
[03:08] <Tox> how to make back the filter windows on adept manager
[03:08] <foxbunny> frojnd: it has  process table tab that lists all the processes and has a search facility... you can, of course, kill them at your own lesure
[03:09] <Jucato> the process table can be brought up with Ctrl+Esc
[03:10] <foxbunny> Jucato: yeah, I was about to mention that... I changed the bindings to CTRL+Alt+Del
[03:10] <Jucato> :)
[03:10] <foxbunny> Jucato: I got used to hitting that back in Windows days :p
[03:11] <Jucato> hah! after a year of using Kubuntu, I begin to press Ctrl+Esc on XP...
[03:12] <foxbunny> Jucato: hehe,,, and I occasionally press Shift+F1 at work. :)
[03:12] <foxbunny> no menu, tho
[03:12] <Jucato> that's Alt+F1 by default
[03:12] <Jucato> :)
[03:12] <foxbunny> Jucato: ah, yeah... I forgot...
[03:12] <foxbunny> Jucato: pressing the keys seems so automatic at times. :p
[03:13] <Jucato> heh :)
[03:15] <rich443> !pastebin
[03:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:15] <malik> foxbunny: any idea how to turn FF into a file browser like konqi?
[03:15] <Jucato> malik: file browser, yes. file manager, no.
[03:15] <foxbunny> malik: FireFox?
[03:16] <Jucato> that feature just isn't possible in Firefox, which is a web browser only
[03:16] <malik> yes
[03:16] <foxbunny> malik: why not just use Konqueror?
[03:16] <malik> konqi doesnt play videos from msn.com at all
[03:16] <Jucato> then use firefox for web browsing, but use a file manager for file management...
[03:16] <malik> so i have to open two windows all the time
[03:17] <Jucato> Firefox itself (without any extension) can't do anything that doesn't involve web browsing
[03:17] <rich443> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2592/
[03:17] <foxbunny> malik: if I may recommend using Krusader for file management...
[03:18] <rich443> I get this error when starting kiba-dock
[03:18] <malik> :( thats what i am doin at the moment but apparently there is an ext called firefly which turns it into a file manager but its not workin on my mechine
[03:18] <rich443> and when I close the konsole window kiba goes away
[03:18] <foxbunny> malik: I'm checking mozilla.org for such extensions... stand by
[03:18] <InuDuelist> OK, I'm back. What's the situation on letting me open programs again?
[03:18] <Jucato> rich443: don't start it from Konsole
[03:18] <Jucato> rich443: or if you start it from Konsole, add a & at the end
[03:19] <nzk> Hey, I need to burn 5.8gb onto CDs
[03:19] <rich443> I should type it in run then?
[03:19] <Jucato> rich443: those errors are harmless btw
[03:19] <nzk> Is there a program that can burn them to one cd, then ask for another cd, and so on?
[03:19] <rich443> do I type kiba-dock in Run?
[03:20] <Jucato> rich443: yes. or type "kiba-dock &" in Konsole
[03:20] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: so what is using so much RAM anyway?
[03:20] <InuDuelist> Dunno.
[03:21] <Jucato> rich443: what basically happens is that when you normally run an app in Konsole, it will be tied to that particular session. so when you close that session/Konsole, it closes the app
[03:21] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: come to think of it, I still haven't learned how to check that... :p
[03:21] <rich443> how do I make the kiba panel transparent?
[03:21] <Jucato> that I don't know...
[03:22] <Jucato> KSysGuard/ProcessTable isn't really a good way to see what is using much RAM... top is still more accurate, they say
[03:22] <rich443> thanks jucato :)
[03:23] <InuDuelist> What's "Xorg"?
[03:24] <Jucato> !xorg
[03:24] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:24] <foxbunny> !mem
[03:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:24] <Jucato> :P
[03:24] <Jucato> !ram
[03:24] <InuDuelist> Oh.
[03:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ram - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:24] <Jucato> bah
[03:24] <Jucato> !memory
[03:24] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management
[03:25] <Jucato> there
[03:25] <foxbunny> Jucato: try issuing apropos memmory
[03:25] <foxbunny> Jucato: nice find
[03:25] <Jucato> foxbunny: apropos doesn't work with the bot :P
[03:25] <LjL> !ram is <alias> memory
[03:25] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[03:25] <foxbunny> Jucato: works in the Konsole, tho
[03:26] <Jucato> nice LjL :)
[03:26] <foxbunny> although one may argue that ram in lower-case is a domestic animal... :)
[03:27] <Jucato> heh
[03:28] <juano__> would anyone know why in windows my pc will vanish from my network places and from ubuntu it works fine, they wont vanish?
[03:29] <malik> may be windows cant see linux pc
[03:29] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: try top
[03:29] <raef55> why does google earth react so slowly to mouse in ubuntu
[03:29] <foxbunny> !top @ InuDuelist
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about top @ InuDuelist - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <foxbunny> !top
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about top - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:30] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: anyway, Konsole > top
[03:30] <slyfox> Does anyone know hoe to modify Firefox GUI font size? The default size is small. I want the menu and everything in firefox to be bigger. Please help.
[03:32] <Jucato> slyfox: Try chaging the font size in System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK Styles and Fonts
[03:33] <juano__> would anyone know why in windows my pc will vanish from my network places and from ubuntu it works fine, they wont vanish?
[03:34] <ubuntico> That's because you with common software you can read windows partitions from linux but no viceversa
[03:35] <slyfox> Jucato: waht is GTK anyway ?>
[03:35] <InuDuelist> OK, so the RAM is still there for further use, but why can't I open programs (i.e. Amarok and FrostWire)?
[03:35] <Jucato> slyfox: it is the toolkit used by GNOME and Firefox
[03:35] <malik> !seamonkey
[03:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seamonkey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:36] <Jucato> toolkit = draws the appearance of widgets like buttons, scrollbars, menus, dialog boxes, etc
[03:36] <slyfox> Jucato: It worked. Thank you !
[03:38] <Minataku> InuDuelist: Try to open something from a terminal if possible
[03:39] <Minataku> Usually if you were actually out of memory things would start falling apart when the OOM kicked in
[03:45] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: VmRss header in the process table seems to be show how much memory is being consumed... I'm talking to a guy at #kde...
[03:45] <Jucato> foxbunny: funny... a KDE dev and the maintainer of ksysguard seem to say differently
[03:46] <JohnFlux> neiw
[03:46] <foxbunny> Jucato: for real?
[03:46] <JohnFlux> meow rather
[03:46] <JohnFlux> stupid hairball
[03:46] <Jucato> lol
[03:46] <Minataku> lol
[03:46] <Jucato> foxbunny: meet JohnFlux, the great maintainer of KSysGuard
[03:46] <foxbunny> Jucato: anyway, I think top is displaying real-tim memory usage stats
[03:46] <Minataku> "Nyao" or "Nyo" for a Japanese cat
[03:46] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: yeah, i'm the maintainer
[03:46] <Jucato> I'm sure he knows what VmRss means :)
[03:47] <JohnFlux> it means nothing :P
[03:47] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: it's an honour!
[03:47] <Minataku> Has anyone tried just telling him to type "free" in a terminal?
[03:47] <foxbunny> :D
[03:47] <Jucato> Minataku: he wants to know per application usage :)
[03:47] <Minataku> Ah
[03:47] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: I actually came to think exactly that
[03:48] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: what does "VmRss The total amount of physical memory used by the process (in kBytes)" mean?
[03:48] <JohnFlux> VmRss  is the amount of physical memory it uses. it includes itself and shared libraries
[03:48] <foxbunny> actually
[03:48] <NotWired> is there any way to force all of kubuntu-desktop and it's dependencies to reinstall?
[03:48] <foxbunny> but is it real-time?
[03:49] <JohnFlux> well it updates every second or so
[03:49] <foxbunny> ah.... well... I had this situation a while ago...
[03:50] <foxbunny> when some KIO digikam thumbnail thingy started to go wild
[03:50] <Jucato> the problem is that it includes shared libraries too...
[03:50] <foxbunny> and VmRss for it was not too high
[03:50] <Jucato> but usually it gives you a good idea of what's hogging the system :)
[03:50] <foxbunny> but the memory got filled up
[03:50] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: I'll give you a quick example
[03:50] <foxbunny> and swap too
[03:50] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: ok
[03:50] <Jucato> so for example if you have a process with 1,200,000+ VmRss...
[03:50] <JohnFlux> In kde3, ksysguard says katapult (neat kde app) uses 100MB shared
[03:51] <JohnFlux> i mean virtual size sorry
[03:51] <JohnFlux> so katapult is 100MB virtual size
[03:51] <JohnFlux> 23MB VmRSS
[03:51] <JohnFlux> however in kde4 where i calculate more accurately now
[03:51] <InuDuelist> Firecrotch, that's a perfect name.
[03:51] <JohnFlux> it gives the memory usuage (for the same process) as 5.6MB
[03:52] <firecrotch> Heh, thanks :)
[03:52] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: what is 'virtual' in 'virtual size'
[03:52] <JohnFlux> and 16.8MB is shared memory
[03:52] <Minataku> lol
[03:52] <Minataku> No offense to JohnFlux but... top didn't work here?
[03:52] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: the app sees it as memory, but it can be anything from memory, to a file on disk, to video card
[03:52] <Minataku> I saw it suggested
[03:52] <JohnFlux> Minataku: top is wrong
[03:52] <Minataku> lol
[03:52] <JohnFlux> no seriously, it's just outright wrong
[03:53] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: wrong as in technically wrong? or as in not practical?
[03:53] <Jucato> http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/analysis.html
[03:53] <JohnFlux> the kernel documentation isn't all that clear how to interpret the fields
[03:53] <JohnFlux> Jucato: thanks
[03:53] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: seli explains it better than I can
[03:54] <Jucato> JohnFlux: I'm presuming you and Lunak agree on the same thing :)
[03:54] <Minataku> Hm, no offense (again) but I have a hard time believing that
[03:54] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: k, I'll take a look
[03:54] <JohnFlux> Minataku: read seli's post
[03:54] <JohnFlux> anyway, the point is that the only meaningful information is   a) the physical memory an app uses by itself
[03:54] <Minataku> Of course I'd imagine KDE devs would know a lot about memory since they use so much of it
[03:55] <Minataku> *zing*
[03:55] <JohnFlux> b) the physical memory shared among all kde apps
[03:55] <Jucato> Minataku: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[03:55] <JohnFlux> Minataku: actually that's one of the big problems
[03:55] <JohnFlux> heh, Jucato beats me again
[03:55] <JohnFlux> Minataku: because top etc report misleading info, kde looks on the surface to use a lot of memory
[03:55] <Jucato> JohnFlux: lol! I had it opened ever since foxbunny started asking about memory questions :)
[03:55] <Minataku> Yeah, if that says KDE uses less RAM than anything else, then I _really_ don't believe you
[03:56] <JohnFlux> top will tell you katapult is using 23MB of memory, yet in reality it uses only 5MB
[03:56] <Minataku> Which actually DOES use an inconsequential amount of RAM
[03:56] <JohnFlux> Minataku: now load up an email client and web browser
[03:56] <JohnFlux> Minataku: and compare to kde with konqueror and kmail
[03:56] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: actually, top says KSysGuard is using most memory... :)
[03:57] <Minataku> Konq is preloaded, preloading is a Windows tactic >:|
[03:57] <InuDuelist> Pop quiz: Apt-Get entry for java. GOGOG
[03:57] <Minataku> Of course it looks like Konq uses almost nothing, it's already running when you start KDE
[03:57] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: yep
[03:57] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: It says 20MB for ksysguard
[03:57] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: and yet in reality it's only 5.4MB
[03:58] <Jucato> InuDuelist: sun-java5-bin
[03:58] <InuDuelist> Thanks, Juc'.
[03:58] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: ksysguard in kde4 reports this more accurately
[03:58] <Jucato> !java > InuDuelist
[03:58] <Minataku> Pipe, not Greater Than
[03:58] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: I'm looking forward to KDE4... :D
[03:58] <Minataku> !java | InuDuelist
[03:58] <ubotu> InuDuelist: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:58] <JohnFlux> foxbunny:  ;-)
[03:59] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: so, is there any accurate way of finding out how much memory is used by what?
[03:59] <JohnFlux> generally.. run 'free', then run the app, then run 'free' again
[03:59] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: I mean for mortals, that is
[03:59] <JohnFlux> and see what the difference is
[03:59] <Jucato> lol
[03:59] <Jucato> crude, but probably more effective/accurate
[04:00] <foxbunny> aw... but what if the apps is already running...?
[04:00] <foxbunny> and I need to monitor it?
[04:00] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: close it :P
[04:00] <Jucato> foxbunny: then close the app :)
[04:00] <phobiac> Why is it that the .iso for kubuntu is 4.9 Gigabytes while the Ubuntu iso is only around 700 Megabytes?
[04:00] <Minataku> Run free, kill it run free again
[04:00] <Minataku> lol
[04:00] <Jucato> free -> close app -> free -> compute
[04:00] <JohnFlux> ;-)
[04:00] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: search for   'meminfo'
[04:00] <Minataku> Though that's also not as straightforward as it seems
[04:00] <foxbunny> !meminfo
[04:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about meminfo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <Minataku> Since you need to consider both physical and swap
[04:01] <JohnFlux> I think gnome task manager also gives pretty good numbers
[04:01] <Jucato> foxbunny: not from the bot :P
[04:01] <Minataku> I assume you mean /proc/meminfo
[04:01] <Minataku> Which will only confuse the poor guy even more
[04:01] <foxbunny> Jucato: I had to try.... I had to :(
[04:01] <Jucato> if he's interested, he'll learn :)
[04:02] <intelikey>  Mem usage: 16.1/249.2 MB (6%)
[04:02] <Minataku> Keep in mind, I suggest KDE to newcomers to Linux, but myself I prefer a much smaller, no-frills-whatsoever WM
[04:02] <intelikey> and xorg is running.
[04:02] <foxbunny> Jucato: I'm interested... aw you guys... I really like this kind of conversations... but I have to sleep now.. It's 4am and I've got to go to work at 10... :(
[04:02] <Jucato> sleep is overrated...
[04:02] <Jucato> :P
[04:02] <Minataku> I want a WM that manages windows and stays out of the way
[04:02] <JohnFlux> :-)
[04:03] <Minataku> But then that's what Linux is about, freedom
[04:03] <Minataku> Including freedom to choose
[04:03] <foxbunny> Jucato: I thought like that until I fainted one day...
[04:03] <JohnFlux> Minataku: you can run whatever WM you want with kde you know
[04:03] <Jucato> humans... so weak
[04:03] <foxbunny> Jucato: my wife was scared to death
[04:03] <Jucato> lol
[04:03] <Minataku> Just... don't make KDE4 into a Vista clone... I don't want to look at a Linux box running KDE4 and puke
[04:03] <foxbunny> lol
[04:03] <Jucato> as long as the WM is fd.o compliant :)
[04:03] <foxbunny> Minataku: why not?
[04:03] <Minataku> JohnFlux: The whole point is I'd rather not have any KDE overhead
[04:04] <foxbunny> Minataku: use WMI then. :)
[04:04] <Jucato> KDE never was, never will be, a clone of anything :)
[04:04] <rich543> how do you open a .skz file from superkaramba
[04:04] <rich543> when I download .skz it says it might be corrupted if saved
[04:04] <Minataku> lol, you can't look at Windows then at KDE and tell me there's not an obvious similarity
[04:04] <foxbunny> thanks guys... I'm gone!
[04:05] <Minataku> Besides the fact that KDE is 1000x better, of course
[04:05] <Jucato> Thank you JohnFlux for dropping by and gracing us with your presence, knowledge, and cat-humor :)
[04:05] <Minataku> lol
[04:05] <Minataku> He's not leaving yet, I'm not done with this catfight
[04:05] <Minataku> XD
[04:06] <Minataku> That's my sthitck, I just haven't started it here yet
[04:06] <Minataku> lol
[04:06] <rich543> how do I deal with .skz files? I can't install liquid weather in superkaramba
[04:06] <NotWired> is there any way to force all of kubuntu-desktop and it's dependencies to reinstall?
[04:07] <Minataku> Don't get me wrong, KDE is great, it's just not my cup of tea is all
[04:07] <Minataku> Now GNOME, you don't want to know what I think of GNOME
[04:07] <Minataku> Not that I could say it in here without getting reprimanded anyway
[04:07] <Minataku> ;3
[04:07] <intelikey> NotWired all ?
[04:07] <NotWired> yes intelikey, i messed something up but don't know how bad it is
[04:07] <NotWired> it'd prefer the all route
[04:08] <humbolto> how do I start the VGA autodetect routine by hand which is executed on the installer cd usually. I did the installation on a system which had a different VGA card.
[04:08] <intelikey> apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install `dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3`
[04:08] <JohnFlux> Minataku: Jucato gnight ;-)
[04:08] <NotWired> thanks intelikey!
[04:08] <Jucato> JohnFlux: good night! :)
[04:08] <Minataku> Night, JohnFlux
[04:09] <Minataku> Hope I didn't upset you at all
[04:09] <Minataku> And sorry if I did X3
[04:09] <linux_galore> humbolto: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:10] <linux_galore> humbolto:  sorry   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:10] <intelikey> and asnwer all the questions correctly ^
[04:11] <Minataku> Say... is there a Kubuntu for SPARC? :3
[04:11] <humbolto> linux_galore: but this is not autodetect. it does ask ME for the vga board installed!
[04:11] <humbolto> I want to rerun the autodetection
[04:11] <Minataku> humbolto: Slow down
[04:11] <Minataku> Install whatever gives you lspci
[04:11] <Minataku> Then run that
[04:11] <Minataku> lol
[04:11] <Minataku> !pcitools
[04:11] <linux_galore> humbolto: that does autodetect just hit enter
[04:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pcitools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <Minataku> !lspci
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lspci - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <Minataku> :\
[04:12] <intelikey> !lshw
[04:12] <ubotu> lshw: information about hardware configuration. In component main, is standard. Version 02.06-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 266 kB, installed size 676 kB
[04:12] <Minataku> There ya go
[04:13] <humbolto> I know what card is installed but not which driver to use for it, since there isn't an exact driver for the chip.
[04:13] <humbolto> I know lspci
[04:13] <linux_galore> humbolto: whats the card
[04:13] <Minataku> Oh, then use the generic selection in the config
[04:43] (Minataku/#kubuntu) Jucato: Why? Is using Linux illegal if you're under 18?
[04:43] (intelikey/#kubuntu) either or both.
[04:44] (Minataku/#kubuntu) Also keep in mind that such is not universal
[04:44] <linux_galore> F***kbuntu
 Besides, anyone actually asking about Kubuntu is more than likely going to be old enough to know what pornography is
[04:44] <Minataku> It's 18 in the USA but differs outside it's borders
[04:44] <chickener> well it depends on the state i the usa actually.  legal age can be 21.
[04:44] <adamwest> i tried to install a theme but i tgave me an error at the end ---> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[04:44] <Minataku> chickener: Nationwide legal age is 18
[04:44] <Minataku> Individual states are either that or lower
[04:44] <chickener> Minataku:  the Bible Belt disagrees.
[04:45] <Minataku> chickener: That's where I fear Jucato's standards are from
[04:45] <Jucato> the point is, even if we presume anyone using Kubuntu would know what it is, it doesn't become an excuse to allow such talk to go on further
[04:45] <Jucato> Minataku: my standards are the Ubuntu IRC standards
[04:45] <Minataku> Which is why I said it's okay to keep things clean but there's a point where you're overboard
[04:45] <NDPowerBook> Wait what?
[04:45] <NDPowerBook> There's an age limit for using Kubuntu?
[04:45] <chickener> i can name multiple places in the SE USA where porn/alcohol are not sold county wide.
[04:45] <InuDuelist> Yes!
[04:45] <Tonren> NDPowerBook: Not that I know of.
[04:46] <InuDuelist> Gawd, finally!
[04:46] <linux_galore> NDPowerBook: no, a brain cell limit  heh
[04:46] <InuDuelist> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305337
[04:46] <InuDuelist> Lol, forum threads.
[04:46] <chickener> InuDuelist: what worked?
[04:46] <InuDuelist> Could someone hook up ubotu with !frostwire?
[04:46] <InuDuelist> With an address to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305337?
[04:46] <Minataku> Jucato: There's also a difference between talking about the concept of pornography and actually disseminating such, the latter of which WOULD be unacceptable
[04:46] <Minataku> lol
[04:46] <InuDuelist> Minus the question mark at the end?
[04:46] <adamwest> guys, i tried to install a theme but i tgave me an error at the end ---> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check?
[04:46] <Minataku> adamwest: That's a scary one
[04:47] <intelikey> InuDuelist say !frostwire is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305337?
[04:47] <NDPowerBook> www.ageofconsent.com
[04:47] <chickener> adamwest: which theme?
[04:47] <adamwest> ? why is that minataku
[04:47] <adamwest> Alphacube-0.3
[04:47] <InuDuelist> What, intelikey?
[04:47] <Minataku> adamwest: It indicates that something could be seriously wrong with your system
[04:47] <adamwest> INTELIKEY hi :P
[04:47] <InuDuelist> Hey, it's adamwest.
[04:47] <Jucato> adamwest: you have build-essential installed already, right?
[04:47] <intelikey> InuDuelist that will put in an infonode change request
[04:48] <Jucato> adamwest: and kde-devel (and probably xorg-dev) too
[04:48] <adamwest> .. which means?
[04:48] <intelikey> adamwest install build-essential
[04:48] <adamwest> well i don't have kde-devel installed
[04:48] <InuDuelist> So, like "!frostwire is A guide to install frostwire could be found here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305337 "?
[04:48] <Jucato> adamwest: which means you need to install the compiler in order to compile, and you need to install the necessary headers too
[04:48] <intelikey> InuDuelist yes
[04:49] <adamwest> so i need kde-devel, xorg-dev and build-essential?
[04:49] <intelikey> yep
[04:49] <Minataku> I wish I had actually bought stuff at the oriental store...
[04:49] <InuDuelist> !frostwire is A guide to installing FrostWire can be found here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305337
[04:49] <Jucato> adamwest: build-essential and kde-devel. not so sure about xorg-dev
[04:49] <adamwest> how come they're not there already if it's such a big deal
[04:49] <InuDuelist> That didn't do anything.
[04:49] <Minataku> I'm jonesing for some Japanese snacks right now :\
[04:49] <InuDuelist> Oh, nevermind.
[04:49] <InuDuelist> Yes it did.
[04:49] <Jucato> hm...
[04:49] <intelikey> InuDuelist check your pm's
[04:50] <Minataku> lol
[04:50] <adamwest> omg kde-devel comes with lots of stuff
[04:51] <Jucato> adamwest: hm... wait...
[04:51] <intelikey> adamwest size is the reason.   the install cd has only so much room
[04:51] <adamwest> oh
[04:51] <adamwest> well lucky i have extra room in my partition now! :P
[04:51] <Jucato> you can probably get away with just installing kdelibs4-dev only
[04:52] <Jucato> adamwest: # of packages doesn't mean big size
[04:52] <adamwest> nm i'm installing that already
[04:52] <intelikey> if that was luck that did it last night then yeah  lucky you.
[04:52] <adamwest> :)
[04:52] <Rob-West> i need some help
[04:53] <northWest> what do you need ?
[04:53] <Rob-West> the GUI nessed up
[04:53] <Rob-West> and i dont wanna reinstall
[04:53] <Rob-West> can someone help me fix it
[04:53] <Jucato> how is it messed up
[04:53] <northWest> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:54] <Rob-West> thanks northWest
[04:54] <northWest> answer all the questions correctly
[04:54] <Rob-West> i will
[04:55] <northWest> Jucato you think i assumed too much there ?
[04:55] <Jucato> northWest: not really sure, as he didn't say what was wrong...
[04:55] <northWest> i know....
[04:55] <Minataku> You gotta remember where these people came from
[04:56] <Minataku> Windows just says "WRONG" and stops working
[04:56] <northWest> from the south east ?
[04:56] <Minataku> They don't realize that Linux actually TELLS YOU what's wrong
[04:57] <Rob-West> ok now to reboot
[04:57] <Minataku> That's another thing they don't realize
[04:57] <intelikey> yep
[04:57] <Minataku> Unless it's a new kernel there's no rebooting
[04:57] <Minataku> lol
[04:58] <Jucato> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace is soo convenient
[04:58] <Minataku> And as soon as kexec matures enough, even that will be done with
[04:58] <Minataku> lol
[04:58] <intelikey> well if X was broken  then  Ctrl+Alt+Backspace  probably wouldn't do anything
[04:58] <Minataku> What you'd have to do is restart kdm
[04:59] <intelikey> it all depends on what 'broken' meant
[04:59] <Minataku> Usually kdm will fail and then no X at all
[04:59] <Minataku> After that as root just execute kdm
[04:59] <Minataku> If all is well it'll be back to normal
[04:59] <Jucato> which is what I was asking... what he meant by messed up
[04:59] <intelikey> i prefer startx for testing the gui  then restart kdm if it works
[04:59] <Minataku> Indeed, but again, a recent escapee from Windows Island
[05:00] <juano__> i have an ubuntu going through an ICS from windows XP, after 30 minutes or so workgroup is no longer browseable by icons, i have to type the hosts names to access shares
[05:00] <juano__> why am i having this problem?
[05:00] <Minataku> They don't know the outside world like we do, they've never been there before
[05:00] <Minataku> lol
[05:00] <Minataku> Crap... Piyoko's clock has drifted too far back again >.<
[05:00] <mase> what kind of video plugin can i get for mozilla firefox?
[05:00] <Minataku> I'll fix it after I take my pills
[05:02] <intelikey> mase apt-cache search firefox | grep plug
[05:03] <mase> intelikey,
[05:03] <mase> i got the vlc one
[05:03] <mase> but everytime i try to open a mpeg
[05:03] <mase> it says no video
[05:03] <Rob-West> its fixed thanks
[05:03] <intelikey> ok   yw
[05:03] <Rob-West> its all fixed
[05:04] <slyfox> Is there some kind of application that will work like in Apple Tiger - Quick Lunch Dock on desktop ?
[05:04] <Jucato> kxdocker, ksmoothdock, kiba-dock
[05:05] <slyfox> Jucato: :-) Which one ?
[05:05] <Jucato> you choose...
[05:05] <intelikey> Rob-West ffr when something is not working and you come to ask for help   try to be as specific discriptive and breef as possable     i kinda toke a shot in the dark on what you meant by 'messed up'   :)
[05:05] <intelikey> took   even
[05:05] <inteliwasp> what is a nice way to erase a hard drive? ie: zero it out?
[05:06] <intelikey> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda      or hd1 for a partition
[05:07] <inteliwasp> could i use /dev/random as well?
[05:07] <intelikey> inteliwasp yes and cat can do it too    cat /dev/zero > /dev/device
[05:07] <intelikey> dd is prefered.
[05:07] <inteliwasp> thanks
[05:08] <intelikey> what you write to it is your choice
[05:08] <inteliwasp> i need this because i have a bum drive and i will be RMAing it
[05:08] <intelikey> but be advised that urandom might actually put bad code on the disk.
[05:09] <Minataku> Well
[05:09] <Minataku> If it has ubersensitive dara
[05:09] <Minataku> *data
[05:09] <Minataku> Use urandom and do at least 10 passes
[05:09] <Minataku> Then hit it with one pass of /dev/zero
[05:09] <intelikey> there are certen bits of code that at the right place will generate  i/o errors.        so if you use urandom  i'd finish with zero for good measure.
[05:09] <inteliwasp> er... i am not that paranoid... :P
[05:10] <Minataku> In that case, use a rescue-modified dd
[05:10] <Minataku> That will ignore errors
[05:10] <Tonren> I'm trying to download this torrent: http://tinyurl.com/3b2f98 with ktorrent.  Encryption is on, my ports are all forwarded (I'm behind a router on a cable modem), but the torrent just sits there, stalled.  Absolutely nothing happens.
[05:11] <inteliwasp> rescue modified?
[05:11] <Minataku> inteliwasp: There are versions of dd that are intended for rescue operations
[05:11] <inteliwasp> oh
[05:11] <Minataku> They'll ignore things like read errors
[05:11] <intelikey> i have seen this two times   where actual written data makes future disk i/o error at that point   in both cases writing zero to the disk permanantly fixed it.
[05:11] <juano__> i have an ubuntu going through an ICS from windows XP, after 30 minutes or so workgroup is no longer browseable by icons, i have to type the hosts names to access shares
[05:11] <juano__> why am i having this problem?
[05:12] <inteliwasp> a freindly note to all, don't buy maxtor drives...
[05:12] <Minataku> Never had a problem with Maxtor
[05:12] <intelikey> in this box with 8 drives
[05:12] <Minataku> Had one Western Digital that died after being idle for a year or two
[05:12] <Minataku> Click of death
[05:13] <intelikey> has 2 wd's in it too
[05:13] <intelikey> rest are sg's
[05:13] <inteliwasp> huh... i have a WD drive for over 7 years and abused it (portable HDD) and it still runs great
[05:14] <intelikey> juano__ we are not ignoring you.  just don't have the answer.
[05:14] <juano__> intelikey: ok :-)
[05:15] <intelikey> juano__ you can ask in #ubuntu  and  ##linux   and ##linuxhelp  and  ##windows   also   there may be a #*networking channel too i've never looked for it.
[05:15] <inteliwasp> intelikey: just what do you do with your 8 drives anyway?
[05:16] <Minataku> Don't answer
[05:16] <Minataku> Jucato will get angry
[05:16] <Minataku> ;3 X3
[05:16] <inteliwasp> ???
[05:16] <intelikey> juggle them  ?
[05:16] <pgdown> 8 drives?
[05:16] <adamwest> well i'm off everyone
[05:16] <intelikey> yeah  8 little bitty hd's
[05:16] <adamwest> goodbye and thanks for all thefish :P
[05:16] <inteliwasp> 42!!!
[05:16] <pgdown> dc++?
[05:16] <intelikey> np  hope you learn how to fish.
[05:17] <Minataku> What else would someone with 8 HDDs do? Store certain types of content on them.
[05:17] <Minataku> Wink wink
[05:17] <Minataku> lol
[05:17] <juano__> intelikey: dont get it.. first 30 minutes or so i can see group, enter group see pcs, shares , everything fine, from windows everything fine too, then all of a sudden, i cant access group browsing it from linux, but i can access other host by smb://hostname and from windows i can see workgroup but the only pc that appears in there is the windows one, but i can access linux by typing \\linuxpcname
[05:17] <Minataku> juano__: Probably Windows being a b?tch
[05:18] <intelikey> juano__ wifi reset ?
[05:18] <intelikey> or is that wired ?
[05:18] <juano__> intelikey: no wifi, wired here
[05:18] <juano__> Minataku: probably yea :P
[05:19] <intelikey> idk.   i'm about as network illeterate as thet come.
[05:20] <juano__> intelikey: im thinking maybe some kind of name resolution refresh or something, happens between windows and windows too.. so it isnt samba
[05:21] <intelikey> is the docter in?
[05:21] <intelikey> guess not.
[05:21] <intelikey> Jucato is a networking expert....
[05:22] <intelikey> you might get him to help ya
[05:22] <intelikey> oh don't be modest
[05:37] <intelikey> we all know you are.
[05:37] <intelikey> :)
[05:37] <intelikey> surgy where you at in the indian teritory?
[05:37] <surgy> intelikey: are you being racist?
[05:37] <intelikey> yeah.
[05:37] <surgy> intelikey: j/k okc man why?
[05:37] <surgy> intelikey: where r u from?
[05:37] <intelikey> just wondering i got folds in tulsa  and aroung ten killer
[05:37] <intelikey> folks
[05:37] <intelikey> can't type today.
[05:37] <intelikey> from ft. hood  south of sanantone
[05:37] <surgy> ten killer..... a great lake
[05:37] <intelikey> and a small town
[05:37] <surgy> yerp
[05:37] <surgy> hey man do you know the defualt install directory of enemy territory?
[05:37] <intelikey> no i don't     if it's not in your home  look in /usr/share/games   or /usr/local/ something       could be in /usr/games       hehhe i don't know.
[05:37] <intelikey> but i'd look there   ^
[05:37] <surgy> intelikey its /usr/local thanks
[05:37] <intelikey> np
[05:37] <Tonren> How do I connect using a proxy with Konversation?
[05:37] <intelikey> there are setting inside konv to use a proxy    can't tell you where, i don't use it.
[05:37] <Tonren> intelikey: I couldn't find them.  :(
[05:37] <Tonren> intelikey: Also, the help files don't mention them.
[05:37] <surgy> tonren: settings > konversation settings > connection
[05:37] <Tonren> surgy: Not there.
[05:37] <Tonren> surgy: Konversation 1.0.1
[05:37] <Tonren> Kubuntu 6.10
[05:37] <intelikey> !Konversation dapper
[05:38] <intelikey> !info Konversation dapper
[05:38] <ubotu> konversation: user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.19-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 4835 kB, installed size 11136 kB
[05:38] <surgy> tonren: thats all i got man sorry
[05:38] <Tonren> surgy: S'ok
[05:38] <intelikey> Version 0.19-0ubuntu4
[05:38] <crxyem> anyone here using beryl ? ?
[05:39] <intelikey> !beryl
[05:39] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:40] <intelikey> beryl help is in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:40] <crxyem> sweet thanks
[05:41] <surgy> im having problems installing some software i get this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2598/ do i need to reinstall the software?
[05:41] <surgy> crxyem: im running beryl but intelikey wont let you talk about it here go to #beryl
[05:42] <slyfox> anyone uses skype with usb headset?
[05:42] <slyfox> I cant get it to wrok, I see it as a sound device, but I have no sound
[05:42] <moj0rising> Does anyone know of a good directory server for linux?
[05:43] <moj0rising> Preferably one that runs on (k)ubuntu.
[05:43] <intelikey> surgy says the package is corrupt
[05:43] <intelikey> dl again
[05:43] <surgy> intelikey thanks thats all i needed to know :)
[05:45] <intelikey> slyfox that's not the line in = line out bug is it ?   there is a bug... check the bug reports
[05:45] <intelikey> !buglist
[05:45] <intelikey> !bug
[05:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about buglist - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:45] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:45] <slyfox> intelikey: No, I have a USB headset
[05:46] <intelikey> ok.  i don't know then.    see !sound
[05:46] <dethklok> !xcomfmgr
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xcomfmgr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:46] <dethklok> !xcompfmgr
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xcompfmgr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:46] <dethklok> !xcompmgr
[05:46] <ubotu> xcompmgr: X composition manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.3~20060831-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 19 kB, installed size 80 kB
[05:47] <dethklok> So will that not work on dapper?
[05:47] <intelikey> !xcompmgr dapper
[05:47] <dethklok> !transset
[05:47] <ubotu> xcompmgr: X composition manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.1+cvs.20041109-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 19 kB, installed size 80 kB
[05:47] <ubotu> transset: X transparency manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.0+cvs.20041114-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 52 kB
[05:49] <dethklok> intelikey, OIC, thanks
[05:49] <dethklok> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ sudo apt-get install xcompmgr dapper
[05:49] <dethklok> Reading package lists... Done
[05:49] <dethklok> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:49] <dethklok> E: Couldn't find package dapper
[05:50] <intelikey> welcome
[05:50] <premier_> hello, I had a problem last night relating to my computer stalling, and Ive managed to track down the problem
[05:50] <premier_> intelikey: you might rememeber this
[05:51] <premier_> well, what was happening (i think) was that I was ripping a dvd using mencoder, creating an avi file
[05:51] <intelikey> drop the dapper on the end of that.     you only add the release name on bot calls
[05:51] <premier_> then I moved the avi from my internal to my external hard drive
[05:51] <intelikey> premier_ and ?
[05:51] <dethklok> intelikey, oh well see I installed it already and it was not working... thats why i originally asked the bot
[05:52] <premier_> intelikey: sometimes, it seems, that mencoder would create a corrupt file, and when I tried to move it, it would bring the system down
[05:52] <intelikey> premier_ i see.
[05:53] <intelikey> dethklok  man xcompmgr   ?
[05:53] <premier_> mencoder only does this sometimes.  Ive done this about 15 times now, and its happened twice
[05:53] <intelikey> premier_ you weren't trying to write a 4g+ file to vfat fs were you ?
[05:53] <premier_> no
[05:54] <intelikey> or 2g+ i mena
[05:54] <premier_> it ext3 -> ext2
[05:54] <intelikey> k
[05:54] <premier_> btw, how can I upgrade my external hard drive to ext3 without screwing up the data?  Is that possible?
[05:54] <intelikey> you can add a journal
[05:54] <premier_> okay
[05:54] <intelikey> man mke3fs
[05:55] <intelikey> err e2
[05:55] <dethklok> How would I go about changing the font color in just the Konsole?
[05:55] <elyon> Could someone please suggest an alternative to Limewire and Gtk-Gnutella?
[05:55] <intelikey> set the scheema
[05:55] <premier_> dethklok: if you right click on the konsole window, and set the scheema
[05:56] <intelikey> elyon frostwire ?  but that's not really different.
[05:56] <elyon> intelikey: I wanted to use frostwire, but it has never run... just crashes immediate with no messages.
[05:57] <intelikey> elyon you tried to start it from konsole to make sure it didn't leave error messages ?
[05:57] <dethklok> premier_, lol, that was easy enough
[05:57] <dethklok> thanks
[05:57] <elyon> intelikey: Ah... never thought of that ;)
[05:58] <intelikey> elyon make a note.   that's always first step in debugging in linux    run from a terminal
[05:58] <elyon> intelikey: Alright.  I'll try to remember that.  Thank you.
[05:59] <elyon> intelikey: Ah.  Turns out I need to install Java ;)
[05:59] <intelikey> there ya go.
[05:59] <intelikey> !java
[05:59] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[05:59] <InuDuelist> Hai guys.
[06:00] <intelikey> InuDuelist wb
[06:00] <InuDuelist> Time to configure Thunderbird.
[06:00] <elyon> intelikey: Thanks again... and I appreciate your help yesterday too.  Seems Kubuntu is running very well (although a lot of programs are still crashing pretty often)
[06:01] <intelikey> elyon i'm pretty sure i mentioned running it from a konsole yestergo also, just missed it i guess.    you're welcome
[06:01] <elyon> intelikey: Yeah, I must have missed that.  I tend to not really notice messages that aren't highlighted lol
[06:03] <intelikey> elyon i have see runaway processes cause OOMK to "crash" things   when things are giving trubble   do a# ps -A x        and if there are lots of repetes    pages of them.   that's your problem.
[06:03] <intelikey> seen
[06:04] <intelikey> if that's it you will notice a lot of disk i/o befor things start dying tho
[06:05] <Minataku> Heh
[06:05] <Minataku> Type free
[06:05] <Minataku> If you see VERY LOW VALUES, something is up
[06:05] <Minataku> I know what OOM is like, Piyoko suffered from an ACPI bug that kept leaking memory until everything crapped out after a week >.<
[06:06] <intelikey> Minataku in the -/+ line yes   but people never look there.  they always look at the first line and panic.
[06:06] <Minataku> Good point
[06:07] <Minataku> They have two lines to look at, actually
[06:07] <Minataku> The +/- and Swap
[06:07] <Lam_> is there a kde shortcut to maxmize/minimize/shade a window?
[06:07] <intelikey> free -m says 142m free but that's not the -/+  it's 230m  i only have 256m total
[06:08] <Lam_> nvm found it
[06:08] <intelikey> Lam_ i don't know if there is by default  but you can set them
[06:08] <intelikey> ok.
[06:08] <Lam_> intelikey: yeah i found them. thanks :)
[06:11] <intelikey> but not on this box.
[06:11] <Minataku> rofl
[06:11] <intelikey> i just remembered that there is no login
[06:11] <intelikey> that would affect a full reboot
[06:11] <Minataku> If Kubuntu kernels have Magic SysRq
[06:12] <Minataku> Then Ctrl+SysRq+F simulates full memory
[06:12] <intelikey> Minataku yes.   and E should be about like kill -9 -1
[06:13] <intelikey> but i'd be forced to follow that with a three fingured salute
[06:14] <moparisthebest> I just installed 6.1 and I am having a small problem
[06:14] <moparisthebest> I enabled the multiverse repository
[06:14] <moparisthebest> but it still cant find package sun-java5-jdk
[06:14] <intelikey> 6.10       versioning is   year.month
[06:14] <intelikey> universe ?
[06:15] <intelikey> !sun-java5-jdk
[06:15] <ubotu> sun-java5-jdk: Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 4918 kB, installed size 11412 kB
[06:15] <moparisthebest> I enabled all of the repositories
[06:15] <intelikey> you applied the changes   updated the package database
[06:15] <intelikey> ?
[06:15] <moparisthebest> yep
[06:15] <moparisthebest> I enabled them through adept, in 6.06 I had to edit a file, does adept do it properly?
[06:16] <intelikey> pastebin your sources.list file
[06:16] <intelikey> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:16] <intelikey> !paste
[06:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:17] <Minataku> Whatever you do, if you use XChat, don't type "/exec -o cat /proc/urandom"
[06:17] <moparisthebest> ok there: http://rafb.net/p/Qfuynz36.html
[06:17] <intelikey> or /dev/hda
[06:18] <intelikey> you don't have multiverse enabled
[06:18] <intelikey> add the word multiverse   to line 17
[06:19] <moparisthebest> thats how the documentation said to do it
[06:19] <moparisthebest> but ok
[06:19] <intelikey> do that; save and,  sudo apt-get update
[06:19] <intelikey> close adept first. of course
[06:20] <intelikey> got that done ?  now you can install it.
[06:20] <moparisthebest> its all showing up now, thanks alot
[06:20] <intelikey> no problem
[06:21] <moparisthebest> isn't sun going open source anyway though?
[06:21] <moparisthebest> I read that they were, or did
[06:22] <Jucato> Sun isn't. but Java is
[06:22] <moparisthebest> thats what I thought, so why is it still in the multiverse repository?
[06:23] <intelikey> moparisthebest i have another methood for that.  but no one likes it.     sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g' /etc/apt/sources.list | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list                                                                                they say it's too dangerous, might break it.
[06:24] <moparisthebest> I guess it would work. it could break if you ran it twice or something
[06:24] <intelikey> no  twice wont hurt
[06:24] <Jucato> intelikey is known to break stuff... vases, windows, Ubuntu
[06:24] <moparisthebest> ok, ive only used 'sed' once
[06:25] <moparisthebest> but its installing now, so its fine I guess
[06:25] <intelikey> echo "deb some url main blah" | sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g' | sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g' | sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g'                                 <<<< test
[06:28] <intelikey> echo -e "multiple lines of text \n \n something else \ndeb some url main blah \n more text\n" | sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g' | sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g' | sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g'                                 <<<< test2
[06:29] <smith_> hiya
[06:29] <intelikey> say smith
[06:29] <intelikey> jones here.   how are you?
[06:29] <smith_> what is the last version of kubuntu ?
[06:29] <moparisthebest> 6.10
[06:29] <smith_> 6.10 ?
[06:30] <moparisthebest> Edgy I think
[06:30] <intelikey> last ?   as in one before present ?
[06:30] <moparisthebest> I just installed it and am still configuring
[06:30] <Jucato> !edgy
[06:30] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[06:30] <intelikey> !dapper
[06:30] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[06:30] <Jucato> !feisty
[06:30] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[06:30] <intelikey> !breezy
[06:30] <ubotu> breezy was the third release of Ubuntu. Version 5.10, codename "Breezy Badger"
[06:30] <Jucato> we could go on and on...
[06:31] <intelikey> no we run out in two more...
[06:31] <moparisthebest> haha
[06:31] <intelikey> !hoary
[06:31] <ubotu> hoary was the second release of Ubuntu. Version 5.04, codename "Hoary Hedgehog"
[06:31] <intelikey> !warty
[06:31] <ubotu> warty was the first release of Ubuntu. Version 4.10, codename "Warty Warthog"
[06:31] <dope> is there some sort of download manager for linux?
[06:31] <intelikey> now we can't go on.
[06:31] <Jucato> !grumpy
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grumpy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:32] <Jucato> dope: KGet?
[06:32] <moparisthebest> dope, apt-get
[06:32] <moparisthebest> adept
[06:32] <dope> will it let me resume a download?
[06:32] <Jucato> moparisthebest: huh?
[06:32] <moparisthebest> or depending on what you mean...
[06:32] <Jucato> dope: yes
[06:32] <dope> pause and resume
[06:32] <dope> kk
[06:32] <moparisthebest> oh, nevermind then
[06:32] <Jucato> moparisthebest: he said download manager
[06:32] <moparisthebest> you could use firefox too
[06:32] <intelikey> dope wget is the down load manager for linux... kget for kde  i guess
[06:32] <Jucato> kget is a KDE frontend to wget afaik
[06:33] <dope> and i can resume right
[06:33] <intelikey> dope yes wget does resume
[06:33] <dope> ok kewl
[06:33] <dope> :|:|:
[06:33] <pgdown> anyone know how to get konqueror to use firefox's mplayer plugins?
[06:33] <intelikey> it's called -c or --continue
[06:33] <pgdown> scanning for them doesnt do it
[06:33] <Jucato> konqueror has its own mplayer plugin
[06:33] <moparisthebest> pgdown: why not just use firefox?
[06:33] <programador1> hello
[06:33] <pixelation> I need the ability to remotely dial into my friends computer and use his desktop on mine... is this possible? is there certain software to get?
[06:34] <pgdown> I want to use konqueror
[06:34] <moparisthebest> VNC would work pixelation
[06:34] <pixelation> OK cool :)
[06:34] <OlgaB> Oh and Opera is still not working for me for some reason :|
[06:34] <Jucato> !kmplayer-konq-plugin | pgdown
[06:34] <Jucato> !info kmplayer-konq-plugin | pgdown
[06:34] <OlgaB> It doesn't DNS resolve anything :(
[06:34] <ubotu> Package kmplayer-konq-plugin does not exist in any distro I know
[06:34] <Jucato> bah...
[06:34] <pgdown> I dont like kmplayer
[06:34] <OlgaB> Everything else works fine
[06:34] <moparisthebest> Krdc looks like it would work too pixelation, I dont know anything about it though
[06:34] <Jucato> !info kmplayer-konq-plugins | pgdown
[06:34] <ubotu> kmplayer-konq-plugins: KMPlayer plugin for KHTML/Konqueror. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.3-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 59 kB, installed size 212 kB
[06:34] <moparisthebest> Im just going by the description
[06:35] <dwidmann> kmplayer works very, very well as a konqueror plugin, so like it anyway ;)
[06:35] <pixelation> right on, thank you. :)
[06:35] <Jucato> pgdown: kmplayer is just a frontend to mplayer. that plugin allows konqueror to use mplayer as a plugin
[06:35] <moparisthebest> np
[06:35] <intelikey> pixelation sure   he'll need to install software to answer the line and something like sshd  tightvnc-server  frenx  or the like
[06:35] <pixelation> windows program?
[06:35] <intelikey> !freenx
[06:35] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[06:35] <moparisthebest> you want to control a windows computer from a linux box?
[06:36] <pgdown> Jucato: so how can I get kmplayer to use the firefox mplayer plugins?
[06:36] <dwidmann> a frontend to mplayer, xine, and gstreamer, actually. Weirdly enough, kplayer is a frontend to mplayer .... and only mplayer. Seems backwards to me.
[06:36] <pgdown> is it possible to not use kmplayer?
[06:36] <pgdown> it doesnt work very well
[06:36] <pixelation> yeah that's what I'm looken at
[06:36] <Jucato> pgdown: have you tried the plugin in konqueror? not kmplayer itself
[06:36] <programador1> kaffeine
[06:36] <moparisthebest> pixelation: I know VNC is cross platform and would work for that
[06:36] <programador1> very well
[06:36] <intelikey> pixelation is his box a dozer ?
[06:36] <pgdown> what plugin?
[06:36] <programador1> other option
[06:36] <moparisthebest> I don't know about anything else for that
[06:37] <Jucato> pgdown: I kept on reapeating it: kmplayer-konq-plugins
[06:37] <Jucato> that's the name of the package you need to install
[06:37] <pixelation> moparisthebest intelikely ... cool I'll try learning VNC... yes it is kinda a dozer
[06:37] <pixelation> I want to clean it all up for him.
[06:38] <pixelation> so it runs nicer
[06:38] <pgdown> yes, I have tried those...and I dont want to use them. they are not very good.
[06:38] <pgdown> is it possible to use the firefox mplayer plugins?
[06:38] <moparisthebest> goodluck pixelation, Ive seen some dirty machines :P
[06:38] <pixelation> oh man... yeah lol.
[06:39] <moparisthebest> Ill be back
[06:40] <pgdown> kmplayer does not compare to the firefox mplayer plugins...
[06:40] <pgdown> hmm im getting more and more discouraged with konqueror...
[06:40] <intelikey> pro'b_lem is solve'd
[06:41] <intelikey> pgdown what do you want konq to do ?      (behave like ie?)
[06:42] <Jucato> more like behave like firefox...
[06:42] <intelikey> that was a stupid question.  it already does.
[06:42] <pgdown> intelikely: I just want decent plugins for konq...unsatisfied with kmplayer
[06:42] <pgdown> I have most everything else set
[06:43] <pgdown> Juacto: totally different
[06:43] <intelikey> i don't guess i'd know what a plugin was if it bit me.    probably never have used one.
[06:44] <pgdown> I have both installed and mplayer/firefox just runs smoothly and the sound is crisp and the video is embedded. konq + kmplayer takes forever to buffer (and sometimes never fully buffers) the sound is dull and and the video is open as a separate window.
[06:44] <Jucato> hm... did you install kmplayer or the kmplayer plugin for konq?
[06:44] <pgdown> kmplayer plugin
[06:45] <pgdown> and I have scanned for the firefox/mplayer plugins & they are listed.
[06:45] <pgdown> but not used.
[06:45] <pgdown> and if I remove kmplayer plugins, videos do not play...just wondering how I can configure this to use the firefox/mplayer plugins (if possible)
[06:45] <Jucato> hm... check your File Associations?
[06:46] <slacosse> upgraded to 6.10, after installing firefox 2.0. NOw firefox 2.0 doesnt work. hmmm
[06:46] <pgdown> Jucato: lemme do that
[06:46] <intelikey> so this "plugin" thing is a way to tie the two apps togather ?   make the one run inside the other ?
[06:46] <Jucato> pgdown: the one in the embedding tab
[06:49] <intelikey> install konversation# Suggested packages:  libsoap-lite-perl    Recommended packages:  ruby      hmmmm...
[06:49] <intelikey> i know i won't use it.
[06:50] <Jucato> konversation...
[06:51] <intelikey> maybe i'm getting weened from kde .....
[06:51] <intelikey> form cay dee ey
[06:51] <Jucato> maybe
[06:51] <tanlaan> hello everyone
[06:52] <moparisthebest> I dont know what the kubuntu devs did, but 6.10 boots up at least 3X as fast as 6.06
[06:52] <dwidmann> pgdown, if you're still around, keep in mind that kmplayer defaults to using xine instead of mplayer for playback.
[06:53] <intelikey> !upstart | moparisthebest
[06:53] <ubotu> moparisthebest: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[06:53] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: Hmm, I didn't notice any difference at all, ~20seconds for each
[06:53] <pgdown> dwidmann: I see that. I set it to play with mplayer (which is *a little* better) but still not as decent as the mplayer plugin http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net
[06:54] <moparisthebest> nifty intelikey, dwidmann its at least 3-4x as fast, of course I did go from an ATA hd to a SATA but it wouldnt have made that much of a difference
[06:55] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: yes it could, depending how old the pata hard drive was
[06:55] <tanlaan> ive been having trouble with my wireless card, it seems to hate the wifi channels 6 and 11. The firmware of my wifi card is bcm43xx which is pretty much horrible with linux. But It does work with my home wifi, but not with my public librarys. So I was wondering if anyone knew of any reason why this might happen.
[06:55] <intelikey> moparisthebest your differance may be "network" related.
[06:55] <moparisthebest> it was ATA 100 dwidmann, everything else is the same intelikey
[06:56] <dwidmann> Most SATA hard drives top out at around 60-65MB/s for non-cached reads. the 3 year old 120GB WD PATA hard drive in my brothers computer tops out at around 20 something MB/s
[06:57] <intelikey> moparisthebest no.  everything else is not the same.   the way ubuntu sets up networking changed.
[06:57] <moparisthebest> I switched my windows install as well a few months ago, and it didnt make any noticeable difference, of course that was windows....
[06:57] <moparisthebest> ah ok intelikey, thats what I said in the beginning was that it was something the kubuntu devs did
[06:58] <intelikey> moparisthebest it may have been waiting on a time out before  that it's not waiting on with upstart and the newer configs.
[06:58] <moparisthebest> possible, something in kubuntu changed for the better for sure :)
[06:58] <dwidmann> speaking of hard drives, I got LVM set up last night. A 605GB XFS partition ... :D
[06:59] <intelikey> yes and "upstart" is most likely the answer.
[06:59] <moparisthebest> nice
[06:59] <moparisthebest> all of my harddrives added up are only 790gb :(
[07:00] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: if you want to shave off a few more seconds, try changing "concurrency" to "shell" in your /etc/init.d/rc file
[07:00] <surgy> how do i kill x again?
[07:00] <intelikey> all of mine are 12g
[07:00] <slacosse> i am a simpleton, anyway i could get firefox to work? I have tried to reinstall/remove with synaptic.  NOw my add/remove is gone.
[07:00] <moparisthebest> that wont screw anything up for me dwidmann ?
[07:01] <dwidmann> that 605 is a 250gb + 400gb (You only get to keep 92.5% of it though)
[07:01] <dwidmann> Shell won't screw anything up ... startpar would though
[07:01] <nino> !mp3
[07:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:02] <dwidmann> (seeing as they advertise like say, 250GB .. they mean 250 billion, not 250 * 10^30 ... )
[07:03] <surgy> how do i kill x?
[07:03] <intelikey> surgy sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[07:03] <dwidmann> ctrl + alt + backspace | surgy
[07:03] <intelikey> or stop   if all you want is to kill it.
[07:03] <surgy> intelikey: no i want to stay int erminal only mode to install my videocard driver from nvidia
[07:03] <intelikey> surgy sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[07:03] <surgy> and then startx to start it back right?
[07:03] <moparisthebest> yea dwidmann you always get screwed out of some gb
[07:04] <intelikey> if you don't want kdm  yes
[07:04] <Minataku> Advertised capacity in GB / 1000 / 1000 * 1024 = Actual Capacity in MiB
[07:05] <intelikey> surgy sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start      if you do want kdm
[07:06] <intelikey> ?
[07:06] <intelikey> ad cap /1024
[07:08] <smith_> how i get beryl/xgl for kubuntu ?
[07:08] <Jucato> !beryl | smith_
[07:08] <ubotu> smith_: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:09] <smith_> ty
[07:09] <intelikey> !beryl
[07:09] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:09] <hagabaka> is beryl pronounced like "burial"?
[07:09] <intelikey> i did that first.....
[07:09] <intelikey> i'm just lagging 30 seconds
[07:09] <Jucato> be-reel
[07:09] <Jucato> or be-ril
[07:10] <hagabaka> bee reel?
[07:10] <intelikey> well maybe you did it first...
[07:10] <intelikey> but it don't look that way on my screen.
[07:11] <intelikey> brl
[07:11] <surgy> i need an older driver
[07:11] <surgy> my video card driver (GLX) works fine but everquest has messed up textures and i looked up the problem and its becuase of my driver
[07:13] <intelikey> !ati
[07:13] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:13] <surgy> intelikey, that doesnt solve the problem
[07:14] <surgy> intelikey: thats for glx and legacy-glx my card is in the glx list but the eq forums tell me i need an older driver
[07:16] <intelikey> then if you follow the conventional thinking in this channel you need to upgrade your os   install the latest  get newer even if it means pre-alpha .....        oh sorry for the rant.
[07:16] <jur> hello
[07:17] <intelikey> i dont know what to tell ya.   get the driver and install it.
[07:18] <intelikey> if it's a kernel module build it   if it's something else dl it    idk....
[07:18] <Jucato> oh there
[07:18] <Jucato> wrong window
[07:19] <intelikey> oh here.
[07:20] <Jucato> s/shue/shoe
[07:20] <Jucato> intelikey said BANG to me in a PM...
[07:21] <intelikey> tattle tell.
[07:21] <intelikey> snich.
[07:21] <Jucato> heheh
[07:22] <intelikey> see you do understand my humour some times.
[07:24] <dwidmann> and finally, my rip/encode script is (more or less) perfected, there went a couple days of my life
[07:24] <ForgeAus> inteli you have humour?
[07:25] <intelikey> dwidmann and if you don't rm/overwrite/misplace/destroy it it will work until the next upgrade....
[07:25] <intelikey> ForgeAus
[07:26] <dwidmann> intelikey, no, it should continue working without any problems
[07:26] <ForgeAus> shue? or shoe?
[07:26] <intelikey> don't you dare tell
[07:26] <Minataku> Oh, wait, I was wrong, sorry...
[07:26] <Minataku> Advertised capacity in GB * 1000 * 1000 / 1024 = Actual Capacity in MiB
[07:26] <Minataku> >.<
[07:26] <Minataku> Sorry about that
[07:27] <intelikey> :)
[07:27] <dwidmann> I think it was something like advertised giggage / 1024 /1024 / 1024 = real giggage
[07:27] <Minataku> It's 1:25AM here, I have a bit of an excuse XD
[07:28] <Minataku> dwidmann: Yeah, I had which operator went where all backwards
[07:28] <dwidmann> No you don't. It's 1:25am here too
[07:28] <Minataku> dwidmann: Well, I apologized anyway
[07:28] <Minataku> lol
[07:28] <intelikey> you're both excused
[07:28] <Minataku> Yay!
[07:28] <dwidmann> hurrah
[07:28] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm just tired... I think I'll head off to sleep or something X3
[07:29] <dwidmann> I have to stay up til 4 to drag my brother out of bed in the most rude and uncalled for of ways, because he neglected the part of his weekend where he was supposed to complete his project for skool
[07:30] <Minataku> Ouch
[07:31] <dwidmann> Speaking of things, ever since we changed color cartridges in our printer, it doesn't want to print right :(
[07:31] <dwidmann> It won't print shades of gray, they come out looking more like, pink, or something
[07:31] <dwidmann> or more of a reddish for darker grays
[07:31] <familia> hola
[07:31] <dwidmann> hello
[07:32] <familia> alguien sabe como instalar america's army?
[07:32] <familia> does anybody know how to install america's army?
[07:33] <garryb> no se puede
[07:33] <familia> por que?
[07:33] <dwidmann> I've never done it, but I assume it would involve WINE
[07:33] <familia> no
[07:33] <garryb> ja, america's army es programa
[07:33] <familia> it's a linx version
[07:33] <familia> es un juego para linux
[07:33] <garryb> i thought you were talking about america's actual army
[07:33] <dwidmann> Ah, maybe they have instructions on their website?
[07:34] <Minataku> dwidmann: Maybe the color cartridges are bad?
[07:34] <dwidmann> garryb: but who would want to install that ... that would be like an instant invasion of privacy
[07:34] <dwidmann> minataku: maybe, I'm not sure, we just put the cartridge in
[07:35] <familia> where can I find another channels
[07:36] <familia> for IRC?
[07:36] <dwidmann> familia: you can get a list with the /list command
[07:36] <familia> thanks
[07:37] <Jucato> hm..
[07:37] <Minataku> dwidmann: I'd check the red cart, there may be something wrong with it
[07:38] <Minataku> Like it's being triggered when it's supposed to be just black
[07:38] <dwidmann> Hmm, I can I'll (attempt to) try that then
[07:39] <dwidmann> probably tomorrow, because I don't feel like doing it right now, and I have a couple scripts that need updating
[07:39] <Minataku> Heehee
[07:39] <Minataku> If it's like most problems it'll still be there tomorrow
[07:39] <dwidmann> Indeed
[07:39] <intelikey> dwidmann your script ?
[07:40] <Minataku> Not that that's a good thing, it's just unfortunately a true thing >.<
[07:40] <dwidmann> these ones: http://www.xnowherex.net/ripit.sh and http://www.xnowherex.net/simple64/index.php
[07:40] <intelikey> who's  rip/incode script ?
[07:40] <Minataku> Sorry... I think I'll head off now... getting more tired XD
[07:40] <Minataku> Night, all ^^
[07:40] <intelikey> ah yours ,
[07:42] <dwidmann> firecrotch ... hehehee, such a funny name
[07:42] <hugo_> how can I make user accounts with an uid below 1000 also show up in the gnome user-admin gui? all accounts above uid 499.
[07:43] <intelikey> gnome user-admin gui   would be a question for  #ubuntu
[07:43] <hugo_> uups
[07:45] <intelikey> reminds me of {es}elyon last night....    i can't get uesrs and groups to work  so i can't set a root password....    hehhe
[07:47] <jh38an> salut
[07:47] <intelikey> yeah or howdy
[07:47] <intelikey> !fr
[07:47] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:48] <elyon> !lamp
[07:48] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:48] <elyon> Hey... is there any decent Linux software to help file taxes (similar to TurboTax or TaxAct)?
[07:50] <intelikey> i don't see anything in the repos...
[07:50] <elyon> intelikey: Yeah, I didn't either... thought someone might now of some 3rd party app.
[07:51] <Jucato> !kmymoney
[07:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmymoney - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:51] <Jucato> bah..
[07:51] <elyon> :)
[07:51] <dwidmann> !info kmymoney
[07:51] <ubotu> Package kmymoney does not exist in any distro I know
[07:51] <intelikey> kmonet
[07:51] <intelikey> y
[07:51] <Jucato> !info kmymoney2
[07:51] <ubotu> kmymoney2: Personal finance manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.4-4 (edgy), package size 6913 kB, installed size 14184 kB
[07:51] <elyon> I would think the OSS community would have an interest in something like that too.  But I guess they're too hardcore to be intimidated by paper filing ;)
[07:51] <intelikey> but that's far from a "tax" program
[07:52] <Jucato> I thought it did that too
[07:52] <intelikey> Jucato maybe so  but if so i missed it.
[07:53] <surgy> whats "glines"
[07:53] <dwidmann> best bet is to try to run [insert tax program for windows]  in wine
[07:53] <dwidmann> I would assume
[07:54] <intelikey> gline in irc terms would be a ban   but in software terms glines is a game.
[07:55] <intelikey> oh my
[07:56] <intelikey> would the real elyon please step forward
[07:56] <elyon_> intelikey: It's me... trying to register, but now my other name is stuck on here lol
[07:57] <intelikey> you can kill spooks if you are registered /msg nickserv help
[07:57] <intelikey>  /msg NickServ recover nick passwd
[07:57] <intelikey>  /msg NickServ release nick passwd
[07:57] <Jucato> huh?
[07:58] <Jucato>  /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <nick's password>
[07:58] <Jucato> where <nick> is the ghost nick
[07:58] <intelikey> yes and if there is actually someone there use what i posted.
[07:58] <elyon225> There we go :)
[07:58] <elyon225> Thank you.
[08:00] <snowrichard> hello
[08:01] <elyon225> hmm... guess you can file your taxes on the web at turbotax.com.  Maybe I'll just have to go that route.
[08:01] <intelikey> Jucato ghost is evil if there is someone there.
[08:02] <Jucato> intelikey: there shouldn't be someone there if you own the nick
[08:02] <Jucato> besides, the situation was different anyway
[08:02] <intelikey> but recover doesnt simply kill their connection.
[08:02] <intelikey> it will renick them
[08:03] <intelikey> but if they don't exist has the same affect as a ghost command
[08:04] <intelikey> yeah well anyway.  i like all that to be scripted, and nice is nice.  :)
[08:05] <Jucato> huh what? I got lost in the conversation..
[08:06] <Pensacola> kubuntu uses some of the media keys from my keyboard from a fresh install, where can I edit them?
[08:07] <intelikey> on elyon225's example it was a ghost/spook  but the use of /msg nickserv ghost nick passwd   if in some even should be used where someone else is logged in with your password, it gives no warning it just disconnects you from the network.    kinda heavy handed imo
[08:07] <intelikey> even event
[08:13] <intelikey> and using a script that is commonly frowned upon in irc channels     (when they are busy anyway)
[08:14] <elyon225> intelikey: I'll not do it then :)
[08:14] <intelikey> good on ya
[08:14] <Jucato> good... because I don't want to do something untoward
[08:14] <Jucato> :P
[08:15] <intelikey> crocked ?
[08:15] <Jucato> ??
[08:15] <intelikey> croocked ?
[08:15] <Jucato> crooked?
[08:15] <intelikey> crooooked ?
[08:15] <bowens> I'm getting a funky error with apt-get, I am able to download other files, but if I use the "--reinstall" flag I get "reinstallation is not possible, it can't be downloaded" I've tried googling this error but the only references to it are a glitch in apt-get from a couple years ago, somehow I don't think that's the case here
[08:16] <Jucato> what error do you get when you try to install normally?
[08:16] <bowens> i don't
[08:17] <bowens> the problem is when i try to re-install
[08:17] <intelikey> post the error
[08:17] <bowens> k, hold on
[08:17] <Jucato> ah
[08:17] <Jucato> !pastebin
[08:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:18] <Mena> Friends I have 256 Ram Is there a problem if i make the swap partition 2 giga or 1 giga
[08:18] <intelikey> nope
[08:18] <bowens> http://pastebin.com/865526
[08:18] <intelikey> or 10m or none or 100g
[08:19] <Mena> ??!!
[08:19] <Jucato> Mena: I'd say 1GB would be a safe size
[08:19] <intelikey> well swap may not support 100g yet  haven't looked into that.
[08:19] <intelikey> i'd say any size would be upto the limit of swap
[08:20] <sleepy745> is the latest version of Kiba Dock buggy? when I select something from the menu it crashes
[08:20] <Mena> intelikey, and jucato i said that bec i found that my system is slow a bit so i asked maybe this is the reason
[08:20] <Mena> jucato , okay thanks
[08:20] <intelikey> !linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic
[08:20] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.17 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-10.34 (edgy), package size 22444 kB, installed size 65968 kB
[08:21] <intelikey> bowens did you remove main from the repos ?
[08:21] <bowens> nope
[08:21] <Nuked> isnt there a new release of kde?
[08:21] <bowens> the kernel image still appears in the list of installed components
[08:22] <Jucato> Nuked: none yet
[08:22] <Jucato> Nuked: 3.5.6 will out soon... when? very soon...
[08:22] <Nuked> I thought it was out already
[08:22] <Nuked> pclinuxos has it if memory serves me correctly
[08:23] <Mena> i think that there is a a new realese every 3 monthes is that right
[08:23] <Jucato> Mena: no
[08:24] <Mena> jucato, ok
[08:24] <Jucato> KDE doesn't follow a set release pattern like GNOME
[08:24] <Mena> Jucato, ok
[08:24] <Jucato> Nuked: some distros were too eager to release it, and they didn't anticipate a delay
[08:24] <intelikey> Jucato that package is still avalable in main isn't it ?   linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic
[08:24] <Nuked> good call
[08:25] <Jucato> intelikey: the latest is in edgy-security
[08:25] <jack_deltrino> hi all
[08:25] <intelikey> but that's not the question
[08:25] <Jucato> !info linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic edgy-security
[08:25] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.17 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-10.34 (edgy), package size 22444 kB, installed size 65968 kB
[08:25] <Jucato> yes it's in edgy-security/main
[08:26] <jack_deltrino> i'm not on a kubuntu machine (gentoo in fact), but a friend of mine was wondering what graphical tools he could use to choose what wireless network he's connected to
[08:26] <jack_deltrino> any thoughts?
[08:26] <Mena> Jucato, What Is Linux Image and What that mean
[08:26] <intelikey> bowens pastebin your sources.list
[08:26] <Nuked> jucato there is an edgy-security?
[08:26] <Jucato> Mena: better ask intelikey. I'm not too familiar with the deeper workings of the kernel
[08:27] <Jucato> Nuked: uhuh. it's in the default sources.list
[08:27] <Mena> Jucato, okay
[08:27] <Nuked> and the new kde is there ?
[08:27] <Nuked> not that I am in a rush
[08:27] <Jucato> Nuked: no
[08:27] <Mena> intelikey, What Is Linux Image and What that mean plz
[08:27] <Nuked> sorry my mistake
[08:27] <Jucato> the new KDE will be in kubuntu.org repositories
[08:27] <bowens> dammit is there just a place where i could download the deb file and force install it than play this tomfoolery?
[08:29] <jack_deltrino> so?
[08:29] <jack_deltrino> kwifimanager eh? thanks </sarcasm>
[08:29] <intelikey> Mena the linux-image-* is the name for the binarry package of the linux kernel   the package linux-image  is a meta package that is set to always depend on the latest avalable release of the kernel for that particular release of *buntu
[08:30] <Mena> intelikey, okay
[08:31] <intelikey> Mena in other words,  if you have linux-image install your systems package manager will allways have the latest update as a dependancy    thus any time an update/upgrade is done you get the newer kernel patches
[08:33] <intelikey> bowens maybe.   try this.   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:33] <kraut> moin
[08:33] <Mena> intelikey, ok thats good so that i get updates
[08:34] <intelikey> Mena yes.   and you do need the security updates repository enabled in your sources.list
[08:34] <bowens> intelikey: not a good idea, alot of my work was specifically on the 2.6.17-10-generic image, i need that one, no other.
[08:34] <MotorCityMadMan> !usb
[08:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:34] <bowens> but like an idiot, i believed the suspend2 crowd who said their patch would work on my HP
[08:34] <Mena> intelikey,yes i get security updates
[08:34] <sleepy745> How do I UN-compile something I compiled, latest version of kiba-dock isn't working too good
[08:35] <intelikey> bowens ok.   have the install disk ?
[08:35] <intelikey> bowens your kernel is on it.
[08:35] <bowens> nope
[08:35] <bowens> oh wait yes
[08:35] <Mena> intelikey,thanks very much
[08:35] <bowens> but that's not the 2.6.17-10
[08:35] <intelikey> Mena yw
[08:35] <bowens> I tried that already
[08:36] <intelikey> bowens no ?
[08:36] <intelikey> what is it ?
[08:36] <intelikey> it's 2.6.17???
[08:36] <bowens> yes
[08:36] <intelikey> ???
[08:37] <bowens> specifically 2.6.17-10-generic
[08:37] <intelikey> expecting that to be interpreted ....
[08:37] <intelikey> ah
[08:37] <bowens> and i can't find a single place to download it from
[08:37] <intelikey> let me look around a little.
[08:38] <bowens> i'm ready to scream at google, it is finding every reference except a download link, if i didn't know better i'd swear i'm being given the runaround by them on purpose
[08:41] <intelikey> bowens linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic_2.6.17-10.33_i386.deb <<< that what you want ?
[08:41] <bowens> yep
[08:41] <intelikey> k let me get a url for you
[08:41] <bowens> but i don't know the secret handshake LOL
[08:41] <bowens> i swear, why is it so hard to find?
[08:41] <bowens> i've googled for 2 days
[08:42] <intelikey> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic_2.6.17-10.33_i386.deb      try that.
[08:43] <bowens> thanks :)
[08:43] <sparr> how can i re-display the dialog that pops up the first time i run kaffeine?  the one with the red/green checklist of features/codecs/etc
[08:44] <intelikey> is that all the "tomfoolery"  for today ?
[08:45] <bowens> no more goofing around with suspend2 for me :)
[08:45] <intelikey> bowens and you can use dpkg to install that.   right ?
[08:46] <bowens> using it sure, making certain the kernel installs without any strange errors nobody can explain, well i'm keeping my fingers crossed
[08:47] <MotorCityMadMan> I had to use "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt" to mount a usb stick. How does won get it to automount ?
[08:47] <bowens> this is object lesson in not using your main machine as a guinea pig
[08:48] <intelikey> slow fuse
[08:50] <intelikey> MotorCityMadMan you can put a referance in the fstab if that's a more or less permanant peace of hardware  but automounting removable drives is a thorn in the penguin's side
[08:50] <sparr> I am booting kubuntu from a CD.  I would like to watch media files, using various codecs, from my hard drives.  Kaffeine seems to want mplayer codecs in /usr/lib/codecs, so i downloaded all-20061022.tar.bz2 from mplayerhq.  Kaffeine still wont play video or audio from the file(s) in question.  Help?
[08:51] <intelikey> !mp3
[08:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:51] <MotorCityMadMan> intelikey: not permanant hardware
[08:52] <Pensacola> khotkeys doesn't work
[08:53] <MotorCityMadMan> intelikey: the problem started when i did a kde upgrade to 3.5.5
[08:54] <MotorCityMadMan> most be a kde 3.5.5 upgrade bug.
[08:54] <sparr> intelikey: instructions are out of date and/or [non-k] ubuntu-specific.  how do i add non-free to my sources?
[08:54] <Mena> intelikey,unattended upgrades Do i need this package
[08:55] <MotorCityMadMan> <--get's out pee-shooter and starts shooting known bug's
[08:59] <yintelike> oh a libc6 update   that requires a reboot.
[08:59] <bowens> oh this is ridiculous
[08:59] <bowens> STILL getting the same alsa error
[09:00] <sparr> running a [k] ubuntu livecd, is there any way to backup my unionfs to a hard drive so i can maintain my changes between reboots?
[09:05] <xenophile7x7_> sparr: im pretty sure you can do it through a USB drive, im not pos about using your HD though
[09:08] <max_> hi!!!!!!
[09:08] <max_> i'm alone?
[09:08] <max_> doh!
[09:08] <max_> bye
[09:08] <xenophile7x7_> lol
[09:10] <Pensacola> lol
[09:21] <pgdown> hello
[09:26] <sparr> xenophile7x7_: how with a usb drive?
[09:28] <xenophile7x7_> hmmm...idk for sure, gimme a min to look it up.  ive never tried it, but ive read about it for other distros
[09:31] <posingaspopular> you COULD save the files to your USB and then install them after the reboot
[09:32] <max_> hi
[09:32] <xenophile7x7_> sparr: i cant find the book i had on it.  it may be specific to that cd, but im not pos.
[09:32] <xenophile7x7_> some with a bit more knowledge than i could probably help you better
[09:32] <gan|y|med> hi
[09:32] <xenophile7x7_> hey gan
[09:33] <gan|y|med> i would like to know why adept-update wants to install gstreamer for the mozilla totem plugin? is there a change from xine to gstreamer again?
[09:39] <gan|y|med> nobody?
[09:40] <xenophile7x7> no idea gan
[09:40] <xenophile7x7> ary
[09:42] <milos83> i have installed java 6 manually. how to uninstall it now?
[09:44] <milos83> can someone help?
[09:48] <dwidmann> milos83: it's easy
[09:48] <dwidmann> you just delete the extracted folder, wherever it was that you put it
[09:49] <milos83> i got messege: access denied
[09:49] <dwidmann> gan|y|med: ubuntu gnome defaults to using gstreamer, so that's probably why it's wanting gstreamer
[09:49] <dwidmann> !sudo | milos83
[09:49] <ubotu> milos83: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:51] <gan|y|med> i thought they changed to xine in... uhhh breezy?
[09:51] <milos83> java is extracted on my desktop. what do i have to type in konsole to remove it? i am new on linux
[09:53] <dwidmann> can't recall, that's just what I remember gan|y|med, I do know for certain that ubuntu with kde defaults to all apps using xine though ...
[09:54] <gan|y|med> i got around it. deinstalled the totem plugin. thx
[09:56] <pgdown> whats up guys
[10:00] <the-erm> I've screwed up, I need some help.  I chowned my entire /var dir when I wanted to just chown /var/www
[10:00] <the-erm> Anyone willing to help a dumbass?
[10:02] <sleepy745> whats the best ssystem monitor for superkaramba that doesn't hog so much memory
[10:03] <shegman> i cant change my desktop wallpaper anymore. why? and how to make it work again?
[10:04] <saki> heya
[10:04] <saki> I had a question about upgrading my kubuntu version
[10:05] <Lynoure> ask away...
[10:05] <Lynoure> we are bad at answering telepathic questions :)
[10:06] <saki> sorry
[10:06] <saki> sleep
[10:06] <saki> sleepy*\
[10:07] <saki> um...how would I go about upgarding my core kubuntu from my current version to the newest or even the experimental?
[10:07] <Lynoure> Which one is your current one?
[10:07] <saki> good question ^_^
[10:07] <saki> I've had this cd for so long, I don't remember
[10:07] <saki> I think its dapper
[10:08] <Jucato> saki: "lsb_release -a" to find out
[10:08] <saki> oo...breezy badger
[10:08] <Jucato> O.O
[10:08] <saki> heya Jucato
[10:08] <Jucato> you have a long upgrade path ahead of you....
[10:08] <saki> ^_^ Didn't see you there
 saki: "lsb_release -a" to find out ^_^
[10:09] <saki> yeah I wasn't looking at the name
[10:09] <saki> so how do I go about this?
[10:09] <Jucato> breezy -> dapper first then dapper -> edgy
[10:09] <Jucato> but from Dapper to Edgy, you need special instructions...
[10:10] <Jucato> so generally, if you have backups...I would recommend just installing straight edgy...
[10:11] <saki> mmm...kay?
[10:11] <saki> I have no backups, but I can just goto Edgy?
[10:11] <Jucato> nope. you can't go straight..  you have to upgrade to Dapper first
[10:11] <saki> like without downloading the cd and reinstalling everything?
[10:11] <saki> ight
[10:11] <saki> how do I go about this
[10:12] <Jucato> !upgrade
[10:12] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:12] <Jucato> that's for Dapper to Edgy
[10:12] <Jucato> for breezy to dapper...
[10:13] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[10:13] <Jucato> saki: the Dapper to Edgy upgrade might be a bit bumpy. make sure you follow those instructions very carefully
[10:23] <NeoChaosX> anybody here?
[10:25] <saki> yeah I am
[10:25] <saki> 35mins till crackdown beta is released
[10:26] <NeoChaosX> looks like an interesting game
[10:27] <kub25> ppls
[10:27] <kub25> i need little information
[10:27] <saki> Tell us the reason for which  you ask assistance
[10:27] <kub25> if i play a game and the computer stop responding
[10:28] <kub25> what is the combination of keys
[10:28] <kub25> to exit
[10:28] <saki> reboot
[10:28] <saki> xD
[10:28] <Jucato> O.o
[10:28] <Jucato> kub25: what kind of game is it?
[10:28] <kub25> i tryed with Ctl+Alt+Del
[10:28] <kub25> 3d Game
[10:28] <saki> ctrl+alt+backspace will get you out to kdm/gdm
[10:28] <kub25> i'm playing it with Wine
[10:28] <saki> could be why its freezing up
[10:29] <Jucato> hm..
[10:29] <saki> V_V
[10:29] <Jucato> kub25: Alt+Tab doesn't work anymore?
[10:29] <kub25> nop
[10:29] <Jucato> kub25: does the keyboard respond at all?
[10:29] <kub25> nop
[10:29] <Jucato> ok... not good...
[10:30] <Jucato> Ctrl+Esc no good?
[10:30] <kub25> and somthimes KDE crashes, don't know why, but its not problem, nothing happend when it crash,..
[10:30] <saki> what video card are you running?
[10:31] <kub25> Radeon 9600
[10:31] <saki> are you using the standard drivers?
[10:31] <saki> or the ones from ATI?
[10:31] <saki> or the ones from the hackers?
[10:31] <kub25> ATI i think...
[10:31] <saki> m'kay
[10:31] <saki> you need to install the DRI drivers
[10:31] <kub25> dunno i'm not installed
[10:31] <saki> ATI doesn't like linux atm
[10:32] <kub25> drivers.
[10:32] <saki> it could be the cause for both types of crashes
[10:32] <saki> so you're using the straight up drivers that came with kubuntu?
[10:32] <kub25> yes
[10:33] <saki> goto ati.com and get their linux drivers
[10:33] <saki> and see if that helps
[10:33] <kub25> ok
[10:33] <saki> if not, theres a way to install DRI drivers which are way better atm
[10:33] <saki> but its a pain in the neck
[10:34] <kub25> I don't really know
[10:34] <saki> ^_^ Its okay
[10:34] <kub25> what is my edition of Kubuntu x64 or x 86
[10:34] <saki> umm...?
[10:34] <saki> which one did you install
[10:34] <kub25> where i can chek it
[10:34] <kub25> i don't remember
[10:34] <Peruna> hello, is there a Bandwidth monitor for Kubuntu which shows how much I have downloaded/uploaded until now ?
[10:35] <saki> Peruna: there are super karamba gadgets which will do that
[10:35] <saki> ^_^
[10:35] <Peruna> ok
[10:35] <kub25> but i know my configuration, AMD Sempron 2Ghz 2600+ 64Bit...
[10:35] <saki> Peruna: also ksystemmon does it too
[10:36] <Lynoure> saki: I never felt my Radeon X600 was linux unfriendly. I do not do 3d games, but even 3d worked out of the box with dapper on this lappy
[10:36] <saki> kub25: I do believe you have normal x86, because wine doesn't like 64bit
[10:36] <saki> Lynoure: I know, but some others are really PMSing
[10:36] <saki> especially the older ones
[10:37] <Peruna> ok thnx saki
[10:37] <saki> I've installed Edgy on a computer with a 9800pro and it was a biotch until I got better drivers installed
[10:37] <saki> even nVidia cards should use the nVidia drivers over what comes out of the box for best performance