[00:00] <BobJonkman> OK, 19:00 EST - Where's dscassel_ when you need him?
 This thing on?
[00:02] <ZykoticK9> Hey everyone - or is it just Hey BobJonkman ;)
[00:02] <BobJonkman> Hey ZykoticK9 !
[00:02] <ZykoticK9> Happy New Year everyone, I hope everyone had a happy holiday season.
[00:03] <BobJonkman> I'm still having New Years and other Holiday events; catching up with people from far distant cities...
[00:03] <ZykoticK9> So what do you want to chat about BobJonkman?  lol - not such a great turnout so far i guess.
[00:04] <BobJonkman> Well, there's the Official Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-01-16
[00:04] <BobJonkman> I was hoping to ask txwikinger about the Web site, http://ubuntu-ca.org
[00:04] <ZykoticK9> so we've both said Hi - so that's check on the first item ;)
[00:05] <ZykoticK9> BobJonkman, re: web site - is the text bar on the left bleeding into the main section on your computer?
[00:05] <BobJonkman> Oh yes!
[00:06] <ZykoticK9> k - well at least i'm not alone then ;)
[00:07] <ZykoticK9> Do you know anything about "what's going on in 2011", Stickers or the Web Site.  Cause I have NOTHING on all topics.
[00:07] <BobJonkman> I'm a big fan of elastic layout...
[00:09] <hakimsheriff> is there a meeting now?
[00:09] <BobJonkman> On the mailing list hakimsheriff  said he got some stickers https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ca/2011-January/007982.html
[00:09] <hakimsheriff> sorry i'm late
[00:09] <ZykoticK9> hey hakimsheriff there is suppose to be yes
[00:09] <BobJonkman> Hi hakimsheriff !
[00:09] <ZykoticK9> only 3 people have shown so far.
[00:09] <hakimsheriff> did the meeting start?
[00:09] <ZykoticK9> hakimsheriff, not really - but technically yes
[00:10] <BobJonkman> Well, so far three of us have typed.  If that's considered starting, then yes
[00:10] <hakimsheriff> okay then
[00:10] <hypatia> oh meeting!
[00:10]  * hypatia waves
[00:10] <ZykoticK9> 4!
[00:10] <ZykoticK9> hey hypatia
[00:10] <hypatia> do we have a mootbot?
[00:10] <ZykoticK9> ? i don't even know what that is.
[00:10] <BobJonkman> Dunno.
[00:10] <hakimsheriff> so yes I do have stickers from system76 and inserts representing the team
[00:11] <hypatia> well done, hakimsheriff
[00:11] <hakimsheriff> thanks a lot
[00:11] <BobJonkman> dscassel_ seems to be AFK - he's been the guiding hand for most of these meetings.  Don't think we've ever used a mootbot
[00:11] <ZykoticK9> hypatia, do you know anything about any of the meeting agenda items?
[00:12]  * hypatia has a look
[00:12] <ZykoticK9> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-01-16
[00:12] <hakimsheriff> if anyone wants any you should send a SASE to: Ubuntu Sticker Offer
[00:12] <hakimsheriff> 5401 Pl. Plamondon
[00:12] <hakimsheriff> St-Lambert QC J4S 1W4
[00:12] <hakimsheriff> Canada
[00:13] <BobJonkman> And I've just dumped my log into the meeting minutes for the last few meetings.
[00:13] <hypatia> we should do introductions if there are any new folks
[00:13] <hypatia> thanks, BobJonkman
[00:14] <BobJonkman> So, I'm Bob Jonkman.  I'm in Elmira, just north of Waterloo, and a sometime network admin and Linux enthusiast
[00:14] <hakimsheriff> I am sort-of new, this is my first ubuntu-ca meeting
[00:14] <ZykoticK9> I'm George Standish - from Ottawa... ? dunno what else to add.
[00:14] <hakimsheriff> I am Hakim Sheriff, - from Montreal
[00:15] <BobJonkman> Events?
[00:16] <ZykoticK9> I'm afraid I was unable to attend Ubuntu Hour (Ottawa) this month due to a scheduling conflict with school.  I haven't heard if anyone else attended or not.
[00:16] <BobJonkman> dscassel_ hosted an Ubuntu Hour this week.  Lots of fun!
[00:17] <BobJonkman> While the others were discussing how to revive GNU/LinuxFest or something equivalent, I was watching the ballroom dancers.
[00:17] <ZykoticK9> I'm planning on moving the location of Ubuntu Hour (Ottawa) starting next month.  Xpresso was suggested on the mailing list, and is certainly the most likely new location (I haven't actually checked the place out yet mind you).  Coffee AND Beer - best of both worlds ;)
[00:18] <hypatia> I'm hoping someone will step up to do a toronto one
[00:18] <hypatia> :)
[00:18] <hypatia> <-- Leigh, in Toronto (for now)
[00:18] <BobJonkman> All it needs is for someone to say "I'll be in Linuxcaffe at xx:xxpm, come join me"
[00:19] <BobJonkman> Or somewhere else, if Linuxcaffe isn't convenient
[00:20] <ZykoticK9> BobJonkman, Linuxcaffe being an obvious choice mind you ;)  Next time I'm in TO I want to check that place out.  We certainly don't have a linux cafe here in Ottawa :(
[00:20] <hypatia> linuxcaffe has tasty foods
[00:21] <hypatia> and coffee
[00:21] <hypatia> :)
[00:21] <BobJonkman> We're lucky  -- Kitchener has a dozen WiFi enabled coffeeshops within walking distance of each other.
[00:24] <BobJonkman> Any other events?  Hacklab.to running anything?
[00:25] <BobJonkman> I'm hoping dscassel_ will be able to arrange another Ubuntu Release Party at KWartzlab...
[00:27] <hakimsheriff> if no one has anything else to say we can move on
[00:28] <hakimsheriff> Next on the agenda is Stickers
[00:28] <BobJonkman> Thanx for stickers, hakimsheriff !  Can you post an image somewhere?
[00:28] <hakimsheriff> what do you mean?
[00:28] <hypatia> yay stickers :D :D
[00:29] <hypatia> post a picture of the stickers
[00:29] <hakimsheriff> http://www.system76.com/article_info.php?articles_id=9
[00:29] <hakimsheriff> at the top there are some pics
[00:29] <BobJonkman> Take a picture, or scan a sticker, then upload it to some picture site so we can see what they're like.
[00:29] <BobJonkman> Yes, like that!
[00:29] <hakimsheriff> except the ones I have now have a metalic backround instead of white
[00:30] <BobJonkman> Are there any System76 branded stickers?
[00:31] <hakimsheriff> I don't understand what you mean
[00:32] <hakimsheriff> do you mean stickers with the system76 logo on them
[00:32] <BobJonkman> Any stickers with a System76 logo or the words "System76" on them?  I'd be willing to put one of those on my non-System76 laptop...
[00:32] <hakimsheriff> BobJonkman,
[00:33] <hakimsheriff> I dont have any
[00:34] <hakimsheriff> they only sent me the powered by ubuntu ones and inserts representing the team
[00:35] <hakimsheriff> i think they sell them http://www.system76.com/index.php?cPath=42
[00:36] <BobJonkman> Ah well.  I've already got the "Powered by Ubuntu" sticker, and I love my Ubuntu-logo keycap sticker.  I've had people ask me if my laptop is custom-built when they see the Ubuntu logo where the Winlogo used to be.
[00:36] <hakimsheriff> where did you get the ubuntu logo key
[00:37] <BobJonkman> From dscassel_ - I think they came with a shipment of ubuntu CDs for one of the Ubuntu Release parties
[00:38] <BobJonkman> I thought that the System76 package of stickers also included the keycap logo
[00:38] <hakimsheriff> no they just sent me the stickers
[00:39] <BobJonkman> I put the little black&white Ubuntu logo over top of the key with the Winlogo.  Since my keyboard is silver&black it looks like it's part of the key
[00:39] <hakimsheriff> isn't dscassel online?
[00:40] <BobJonkman> dscassel_ appears to be logged in, but Away From Keyboard
[00:40] <hakimsheriff> he also sent me stickers before I started distributing them
[00:42] <hakimsheriff> okay next on the agenda is Website
[00:42] <hakimsheriff> -Stars update
[00:42] <hakimsheriff> I mean -status update
[00:43] <hakimsheriff> anyone? anything?
[00:44] <BobJonkman> Not by me.  txwikinger is the Webmaster, or at least the hostmaster for the site
[00:44] <BobJonkman> But txwikinger looks to be AFK as well
[00:45] <BobJonkman> I wonder if anyone else has editor or contributor access yet
[00:46] <hakimsheriff> there is nothing else on the agdenda
[00:47] <ZykoticK9> :) fast meeting...
[00:47] <hakimsheriff> i wonder why darcy casselman didnt show up
[00:47] <BobJonkman> I think he's still running around after the holidays.
[00:47] <hakimsheriff> last time the google calendar said there was a meeting but no one was here
[00:47] <BobJonkman> There were weddings and such in his family
[00:48] <hakimsheriff> funny cause he decided the meeting
[00:48] <BobJonkman> Last week everyone (except you) forgot.
[00:48] <BobJonkman> today is our catch-up meeting
[00:48] <hakimsheriff> okay
[00:48] <hakimsheriff> i hate it when that happens
[00:49] <BobJonkman> As far as I know, the next meeting is on 13 February 2011, 7:00pm EST
[00:49] <linuxpusher> I hope I got the right channel this time, been a long day 4 me
[00:49] <BobJonkman> Hi linuxpusher!
[00:49] <hakimsheriff> but almost no one was here
[00:49] <linuxpusher> yes I found it
[00:50] <linuxpusher> hi Bob
[00:50] <BobJonkman> It's been a quiet meeting, you're the 5th person here.
[00:50] <hakimsheriff> just in time for the end of the meeting
[00:50] <linuxpusher> I show 32?? any word on the stickers here
[00:51] <BobJonkman> Since none of us had any new info for any of the agenda items we were just about to wrap up.
[00:51] <hakimsheriff> yes i am the sticker guy
[00:51] <linuxpusher> long meeting for me but at least I made it to obne
[00:51] <hakimsheriff> free stickers just send a sase to:
[00:51] <hakimsheriff> Ubuntu Sticker Offer
[00:51] <hakimsheriff> 5401 Pl. Plamondon
[00:51] <hakimsheriff> St-Lambert QC J4S 1W4
[00:51] <hakimsheriff> Canada
[00:52] <linuxpusher> hakimsheriff will do have you heard from bglug ummm forgot his name
[00:52] <linuxpusher> will do
[00:53] <linuxpusher> brad rodriguez spelt wrong
[00:53] <ZykoticK9> SIDE NOTE: Link to very cool Ubuntu/Plymouth theme at http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/earth-sunrise-is-gorgeous-plymouth.html
[00:54] <linuxpusher> 15inch x 10 inch should be big enough :)
[00:55] <hakimsheriff> you want 15x10 inch stickers?
[00:55] <hakimsheriff> ??????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:55] <linuxpusher> sure why not if there is such a thing lol should just cover my laptop lid
[00:56] <hakimsheriff> i want one like that, i have a pink laptop
[00:56] <BobJonkman> Yes, there are laptop skins available.
[00:56] <hakimsheriff> got it from my sister
[00:56] <hakimsheriff> where, I need one
[00:56] <linuxpusher> I will send a sase this week
[00:57] <dscassel_> Present!
[00:57] <dscassel_> Dammit, I had 8pm in my head.
[00:57] <hakimsheriff> finnaly
[00:57] <BobJonkman> Hooray!
[00:57] <linuxpusher> woohoo
[00:57] <hakimsheriff> I think the meeting is over for a few minutes now
[00:57] <BobJonkman> You're number 6 .  Good to be seeing you!
[00:57] <dscassel> Hi BobJonkman
[00:58] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: Oh good. So you'll take care of the minutes, then?
[00:58] <dscassel> :)
[00:58] <hakimsheriff> what do you mean?
[00:58] <BobJonkman> Not to worry, hakimsheriff - I promised hypatia that I would dump my log...
[00:58] <linuxpusher> lol
[00:59] <dscassel> Joke.
[00:59] <hakimsheriff> okay good, i got a lot of hw to do
[00:59] <linuxpusher> I am seriously going to look into BIG stickers
[00:59] <dscassel> Okay, so I probably shouldn't read through the scroll.
[00:59] <hakimsheriff> i saved a log if needed
[00:59] <BobJonkman> Well, it was a pleasant chat, everyone...
[01:00] <dscassel> Anyone care to summarize?
[01:00] <hakimsheriff> more like a chat then a meeting
[01:00] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: The best meetings are. :)
[01:00] <BobJonkman> Summarize now, or on the meeting page?
[01:00] <linuxpusher> maybe next time the lurkers will join in?
[01:00] <hakimsheriff> we kind-of skipped the website part
[01:00] <hypatia> dscassel: intros, stickers, ubuntu hours
[01:00] <dscassel> BobJonkman: If there's anything you want my input on, summarizing now would be good.
[01:01] <BobJonkman> Would like to see more authors/editors for http://ubuntu-ca.org
[01:01] <dscassel> Yay, stickers!
[01:01] <elmo40> I see people want stickers, well I can make a few things like this: http://imagebin.org/132961
[01:01] <dscassel> I also want business cards and maybe t-shirts.  But in due time...
[01:01] <BobJonkman> (I invited people from #linuxcaffe to join us)
[01:01] <linuxpusher> mee too
[01:01] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Awesome. :)  Welcome, linuxcaffe.
[01:02] <linuxpusher> does anyone have a high res tux they can send me?
[01:02] <hakimsheriff> i want to go to linuxcaffe
[01:02] <dscassel> linuxpusher: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tux.svg
[01:03] <linuxpusher> I was thinking of adding it to the ubuntu-ca sticker only Big
[01:03] <hakimsheriff> to bad i live in montreal
[01:03] <elmo40> http://www.neohide.com/files/2009/linux/linux-penguin.jpg
[01:03] <linuxpusher> Thanks guys
[01:03] <hypatia> we did a run of Ubuntu Women business cards from Vistaprint
[01:03] <hypatia> it might be worth doing the same for Ubuntu Canada
[01:03] <hakimsheriff> yes that would be great
[01:03] <BobJonkman> Where do we get funds for something like that?
[01:03] <hypatia> i'd pitch in $5
[01:03] <hypatia> :)
[01:04] <hakimsheriff> me too
[01:04] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Yeah, pass the hat around.
[01:04] <hypatia> there may be actual funding for locos, not sure
[01:04] <BobJonkman> OK.  A nefarious purpose for Ubuntu Hours
[01:04] <dscassel> hypatia: Not really, no.
[01:04] <hypatia> hat-passing it is, then
[01:04] <hypatia> if someone designs one i'll do the hat-passing and order them
[01:04] <dscassel> LoCos get CDs and conference packs. And love. But that's about it.
[01:05] <linuxpusher> Cool tux, I was thinking of the ubuntu-ca sticker with tux and our local bglug
[01:05] <hakimsheriff> that would be awesome
[01:05] <linuxpusher> in blue
[01:05] <hypatia> i'll put up a photo of the ubuntu-women one when i swing by hacklab, which is where i left them
[01:05] <hypatia> oh hey they are online
[01:05] <BobJonkman> We can do some hat-passing here, and I travel to Toronto often enough to drop of hat-passing-proceeds to you in a month or so.
[01:06] <hypatia> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Resources scroll down
[01:06] <hypatia> looks like we can just adapt those for ubuntu canada
[01:06] <hypatia> yay
[01:06] <hypatia> i can make that happen
[01:07] <dscassel> I have a logo around here somewhere...
[01:07] <dscassel> This is the one I made before the font came out... http://flyingsquirrel.ca/stuff/ubuntu-ca.svg
[01:08] <hypatia> we should probably use the new font
[01:08] <hypatia> i love that logo though
[01:08] <elmo40> use a Canadian font!
[01:08] <ZykoticK9> elmo40, what is a "Canadian font"?  Does it have maple leaves on it or something ;)
[01:09] <linuxpusher> I will work on my idea this week and send a link via list ubuntu.ca
[01:09] <dscassel> I tried using something that kinda looked like the Government of Canada's "Canada" but it didn't look right.
[01:10] <dscassel> I'm not much fo a graphic designer, but I can see when things are wrong.
[01:10] <dscassel> Can't do much to make them right, though.
[01:10] <ZykoticK9> dscassel, i think your ubuntu-ca logo (font included) is awesome.
[01:10] <linuxpusher> I'll give it a try
[01:10] <dscassel> Ah, here it is: http://ubuntuone.com/p/Lw1/
[01:10] <hypatia> i'll see if i can come up with a biz card this week
[01:11] <hypatia> probably not worth ordering til we make the site less faily though :)
[01:11] <ZykoticK9> dscassel, ya - much prefer the font you went with
[01:11] <hakimsheriff> adam pothan made a really awesome logog
[01:12] <dscassel> And one for a dark background (which doesn't look like much if you just open it in Firefox: http://ubuntuone.com/p/Ydy/
[01:12] <hakimsheriff> i dont know what his irc nick is
[01:13] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: Do you have a link?
[01:14] <hakimsheriff> let me upload it, one second
[01:15] <BobJonkman> Is there a font viewer that's easier to use than the Character Map tool?
[01:15] <hakimsheriff> http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/298a56cc94.png
[01:16] <dscassel> BobJonkman: I just use OpenOffice or something.
[01:16] <ZykoticK9> BobJonkman, xfontsel?  not sure if it's "easier" then anything though.
[01:16] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: Nice, but it's the old branding.
[01:17] <BobJonkman> And speaking of fonts, is there a monospace font in the Ubuntu font-family?
[01:18] <hakimsheriff> adam pothan made it
[01:18] <hakimsheriff> all credit goes to him
[01:18] <dscassel> I really, really like Djavan Fagundes logo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dnoway/329157552/in/faves-ubuntucanada/) but it's the old Ubuntu tri-colour.
[01:22] <hakimsheriff> okay i have to go, bye
[01:22] <linuxpusher> Thanks for all the links, I will work on some ideas and get back to you all on list
[01:22] <linuxpusher> bye
[01:22] <dscassel> Later, linuxpusher :)
[01:22] <linuxpusher> chow
[01:23] <hakimsheriff> i will follow the conversation on my phone
[01:24] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Yes, I'll be running another release party at Kwartzlab. It's tradition now. :)
[01:25] <dscassel> And an Ubuntu Global Jam too.
[01:25] <BobJonkman> The Jam will be a few weeks before the URP?
[01:25] <dscassel> I was thinking of doing it as more of an unconference, on the topic of "how to contribute to Ubuntu (or Debian or free software in general)
[01:25] <dscassel> Yeah.
[01:25] <dscassel> Hold on...
[01:25] <BobJonkman> Good.  Looking forward to it.
[01:26] <BobJonkman> Although at the last Jam I submitted more bugs than I fixed
[01:26] <dscassel> The global jam is April 1-3. But I'd expect most of the action to be on the Saturday.
[01:26] <dscassel> BobJonkman: That's perfectly fine. :)
[01:27] <hakimsheriff> Were will it be?
[01:27] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: Everywhere! I'm sure MagicFab will be doing something in Montreal.
[01:28] <dscassel> I'll be holding an event in Kitchener.
[01:30] <dscassel> I would encourage anyone with any interest at all to run an event in their city. :)
[01:30] <hakimsheriff> So are we making buisness cards?
[01:30] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: The operative question is is someone taking on the making of business cards?
[01:31] <dscassel> I might have some free time in April or so.
[01:31] <BobJonkman> Needed:  Someone to design the card; funds; someone to get the cards printed; then distribute the cards
[01:31] <hakimsheriff> Cant we get them made with vistaprint
[01:32] <BobJonkman> I think that's what hypatia was suggesting
[01:33] <hakimsheriff> Are we getting tshirts. Or would that be to expensive
[01:33] <dscassel> There's also the thing about Ubuntu business cards being a perk of Ubuntu membership.
[01:33] <BobJonkman> http://www.vistaprint.ca/vp/errjscript.aspx is thoroughly inaccessible, completely Javascript dependent. <sigh>
[01:33] <dscassel> Not a big deal, just that the business cards probably shouldn't be personalized.
[01:34] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: I was thinking we'd put something up on Zazzle or similar and have people order them themselves.
[01:34] <BobJonkman> I thought the business cards would be a generic Ubuntu Canada promotional thing
[01:34] <BobJonkman> Not unlike the stickers
[01:34] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Yeah.  Just throwing that caveat in there.
[01:35] <dscassel> Since I don't know who's making them.
[01:35]  * dscassel missed the first hour of this conversation, remember. :)
[01:37] <BobJonkman> First we need a design.  Maybe that's what linuxpusher was going away to do: (2011-01-16 20:22:21) linuxpusher: Thanks for all the links, I will work on some ideas and get back to you all on list
[01:38] <BobJonkman> OK, I promised I'd make dinner after the meeting was over.  I'll dump my log after we've eaten.
[01:38] <dscassel> BobJonkman: The design could just be the logo...
[01:38] <dscassel> Thanks for running the meeting, BobJonkman. :)
[01:39] <hakimsheriff> I agree with dscassel
[01:39] <BobJonkman> It would be nice to have a link to http://ubuntu-ca.org as well.
[01:39] <dscassel> To what?
[01:39] <dscassel> Oh. Right. Yeah.
[01:39] <dscassel> Maybe a QR code. :)
[01:39] <BobJonkman> http://ubuntu-ca.org, the Web site that we've been working on :P
[01:39] <BobJonkman> Yes!
[01:40] <BobJonkman> So there you go.  Text for the name of the group, a logo, a QR code, a human-readable URL.  Lots of design elements there
[01:42] <hakimsheriff> I think u can get 250 free buisness cards with vistaprint
[01:43] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: Be careful, though. Vistaprint is kind of eveil
[01:43] <dscassel> evil. :P
[01:43] <hypatia> the free ones have logos on the back :/
[01:43] <BobJonkman> hypatia said they used Vistaprint for the Ubuntu Women's cards
[01:43] <BobJonkman> All in all, I'd just as soon use a local Canadian print shop
[01:44] <dscassel> And I'd kinda like one that held the design and did print on demand, so we don't have to distribute ourselves.
[01:45] <BobJonkman> Someplace I can walk in with a thumbdrive, and walk out with a shoebox full of cards
[01:45] <hypatia> dscassel: while i'd normally agree, with biz cards you save so much money in bulk
[01:45] <dscassel> I suppose this is true...
[01:46] <dscassel> But hey, we're probably bikeshedding at this point.
[01:47] <BobJonkman> ...while http://ubuntu-ca.org languishes with neglect
[01:47] <dscassel> Poor website!
[01:47] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Did you want to work on it?
[01:47] <BobJonkman> I'd just like to put up some relevant, recent material.
[01:48] <dscassel> Do you have a launchpad account?
[01:48] <BobJonkman> Don't know that I want to work on the design at this point, but I'll do things like post meeting notices and calendar events
[01:48] <BobJonkman> yes, Im some variant of BobJonkman
[01:50] <BobJonkman> https://launchpad.net/~bjonkman
[01:51] <dscassel> Can you try logging into ubuntu-ca.org?
[01:53] <BobJonkman> Seems to work, I get redirected through the Launchpad OpenID, but then get returned with " Only site administrators can create new user accounts."
[01:53] <hakimsheriff> I could help out with the website too
[01:55] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Try it now.
[01:55] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: You're hakimsheriff on Launchpad?
[01:56] <BobJonkman> Same thing.  Let me flush my cache
[01:56] <dscassel> (silly question, but I wnato be sure).
[01:56] <dscassel> BobJonkman: I'm not entirely sure how this is supposed to work.
[01:56] <dscassel> Drupal would not have been my first choice. :)
[01:57] <BobJonkman> We probably have more Drupal smarts in our KW lugs than any other kind of smarts...
[01:58] <BobJonkman> Doesn't seem to be any other kind of login mechanism.
[01:59] <dscassel> Hold on, I'll open it up to allow people to create their own accounts.
[02:00] <dscassel> Okay, try it again. hakimsheriff, be my guest as well.  Go to http://ubuntu-ca/ and click LogIn.
[02:00] <BobJonkman> Different error:  Account registration using the information provided by your Launchpad ID  provider failed due to the reasons listed below. Please complete the  registration by filling out the form below. If you already have an  account, you can log in now and add your Launchpad ID under "My  account".      You must enter an e-mail address.   The name bjonkman is already taken.
[02:01] <dscassel> Ah, okay.  One moment.
[02:01] <hakimsheriff> it seems to work for me
[02:01] <dscassel> Try again, BobJonkman
[02:02] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: Yup, I've set you up so you should be able to add content now.
[02:02] <BobJonkman> OK, it's going to send me an e-mail, then I'm legal.
[02:03] <BobJonkman> I wonder why LaunchPad doesn't supply the e-mail address through OpenID ?
[02:03] <dscassel> BobJonkman: No idea.
[02:03] <hakimsheriff> i have not recieved an e-mail
[02:04] <hakimsheriff> i will be back. one second
[02:04] <dscassel> BobJonkman: You should be good now even without email confirmation.
[02:04] <dscassel> I gotta run too...
[02:04] <BobJonkman> Not yet: You must validate your email address for this account before logging in via OpenID
[02:04] <BobJonkman> But I need to make dinner for the family.
[02:05] <BobJonkman> Far too late already.  See everyone later!
[02:05] <vaughn> I assume I missed the meeting?
[02:05] <hakimsheriff> Still didnt get an email
[02:06] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: But can you log in?
[02:06] <hakimsheriff> Let me try
[02:06] <dscassel> vaughn: Pretty much, yeah. :)
[02:06] <BobJonkman> Sorry vaughn, it's all over.  After dinner I'll post a log dump on the meeting page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-01-16
[02:06] <dscassel> vaughn: It was a fairly unorthodox meeting anyway. :)
[02:06]  * BobJonkman is really leaving now
[02:07] <dscassel> Yeah, I'm off too.
[02:07]  * BobJonkman can pretend he's in a different timezone
[02:07] <vaughn> that's too bad
[02:07] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: If you can't log in, let me know.  I'll pester txwikinger about it in the morning.
[02:07] <hakimsheriff> Am i allowed to post up thingd
[02:08] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: Should be able to. If you can't, let me know.
[02:08] <billybigrigger> meeting tonight?
[02:08] <dscassel> vaughn: Questions? Concerns?
[02:08] <dscassel> billybigrigger: Just missed it. :)
[02:08] <billybigrigger> dscassel, dammit
[02:08] <billybigrigger> :P
[02:08] <billybigrigger> would have been my first sit in
[02:08] <billybigrigger> i never make the sunday meetings :P
[02:09] <vaughn> Well i managed to read everything from the meeting already (I was logged in) so I'm pretty much caught up with anything
[02:09] <dscassel> billybigrigger: Yeah, txwikinger has problems with Sundays too. We should probably move it, but I don't know if there's any day that's better.
[02:09] <hakimsheriff> It says i hav to confirm my email
[02:09] <dscassel> Sunday works pretty well for me (usually)
[02:09] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: Ah, nuts. I'll ask txwikinger about the email thing tomorrow.
[02:10] <billybigrigger> sundays are probably good for me now
[02:10] <dscassel> I don't see a way to circumvent the email confirmation.
[02:10] <billybigrigger> i'm stuck in this camp until breakup :)
[02:10] <billybigrigger> i'll be here for 3 months
[02:12] <dscassel> It's been lovely, but I gotta run.
[02:12] <dscassel> Later, Canada. :)
[02:19] <vaughn> Later guys!
[02:27] <hypatia> every day sucks
[02:27] <hypatia> we should alternate with some other day
[02:27] <hypatia> :)
[02:29] <dscassel> hypatia: I have a hard enough time remembering a regular date and time. :P
[02:31] <hypatia> haha
[03:49] <xiambax> is anyone awake?>
[03:52] <johanbr> somewhat awake, yes
[03:52] <xiambax> Do you know alot about tablets?
[03:54]  * hypatia has a tablet
[03:54] <hypatia> several, actually
[03:57] <xiambax> My friend is going to china
[03:57] <xiambax> she can bring me back whatever
[03:57] <xiambax> whats a good tablet to get from china?
[03:59] <hypatia> hmm
[03:59] <hypatia> you mean android tablets, xiambax ?
[03:59] <xiambax> id like something i could install ubuntu on
[03:59] <hypatia> oh hmm
[04:02] <xiambax> or i could get any android phone i want
[04:02] <xiambax> do you have any suggestions?
[04:03] <hypatia> if you're going with an android tablet, xiambax - the best of the chinese knock-off ones are the "rockchip" powered ones
[04:03] <hypatia> but they all kinda suck, i hear
[04:03] <xiambax> you can buy unbranded ipad knockoffs that run iOS correct?
[04:04] <hypatia> not iOS as far as i know
[04:04] <hypatia> some kind of knock-off OS, or Android
[04:04] <xiambax> Can i put my own roms on them?
[04:04] <xiambax> I just want something I can actually use
[04:05] <hypatia> some of the android ones can get new roms
[04:05] <hypatia> but it's something you want to research a fair bit
[04:05] <hypatia> might be tricky to figureout what to tell a friend to get
[04:05] <xiambax> yeah i know
[04:05] <hypatia> xiambax: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.31523 you should be able to get these in china
[04:05] <hypatia> but theyare not really worth it any more
[04:06] <hypatia> versus, say, the Archos Android tablets
[04:06] <hypatia> they are like $230 and have a canadian warranty
[04:06] <xiambax> looks hidious
[04:06] <hypatia> lol, yeah
[04:07] <hypatia> the ARM based ones like http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.54065 all get /horrible/ reviews
[04:07] <hypatia> but they are super cheap
[04:08] <hypatia> xiambax: check out https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0An9YIUsyN3OXdEVIS3l6N2Q2RnFxaGdydWpmSHRDaUE&hl=en_GB#gid=130
[04:08] <hypatia> for a huge list of all android tablets ever
[04:08] <hypatia> :)
[04:09] <xiambax> the xoom be available in cihna?
[04:10] <hypatia> xiambax: no idea
[04:11] <xiambax> http://www.adventcomputers.co.uk/advent-vega-tablet ?
[04:13] <hypatia> xiambax: i have no idea which tablets are available where, you're going to have to do your own research :(
[04:13] <xiambax> this sucks
[04:13] <hypatia> sorry buddy
[04:14] <hypatia> there's a lot on the market right now
[04:14] <hypatia> short version, though, most of the chinese tablets suck
[04:14] <hypatia> get an archos
[04:14] <hypatia> they are great, i hear
[04:14] <hypatia> also cheap
[04:15] <hypatia> xiambax: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=23_304&item_id=033758
[04:15] <hypatia> it's out of stock everywhere though
[04:16] <xiambax> http://www.merimobiles.com/Archos_9_Windows_7_Wifi_Tablet_PC_p/meri0403.htm
[04:18] <hypatia> that's the previous gen of archos
[04:18] <hypatia> wouldn't recommend those
[04:19] <xiambax> http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/403049201/2011_Top_popular_Archos_70_250/showimage.html
[04:23] <xiambax> i dunno what i want
[04:23] <xiambax> theres so much i need
[04:23] <xiambax> but i dont know if i trust someone to go over to china and get what i want
[04:31] <hypatia> yeah
[04:31] <hypatia> i'd honestly see what you can get in store
[04:32] <hypatia> i have a samsung galaxy tab and i <3 it
[04:32] <hypatia> but it's kinda spendy
[04:49] <xiambax> expensive?
[04:57] <hypatia> yeah
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:50] <johanbr> hi!
[15:01] <BluesKaj> hi johanbr
[16:21] <BluesKaj> hey billybigrigger , how's things today ?
[16:31] <dscassel> 'morning, Canada.
[16:39] <billybigrigger> mornin
[18:22] <BluesKaj> I don't see the point of this chat ...nobody participates
[19:32] <dscassel> *sigh*
[19:32] <dscassel> "You guys suck and never say anything" isn't a great conversation starter.


[19:35] <phillw> tsimonq2: ping
[20:11] <tsimonq2> phillw: present, what do you require?
[20:12] <phillw> tsimonq2: would you like to be the 1st person to have a linuxpadawan/padawan cloak?
[20:13] <Unit193> Perhaps this would be better off in #linuxpadawan?
[20:13] <tsimonq2> phillw: I would like to, but when I get Ubuntu Membership, I want that cloak, so only if that can happen :)
[20:13] <tsimonq2> prolly Unit193, but I'm not in #linuxpadawan
[20:13] <tsimonq2> maybe offtopic :)
[20:13] <phillw> tsimonq2: oh, are no longer wxl's padawan?
[20:14] <tsimonq2> phillw: well I am, I just want to have the membership cloak when I get it :)
[20:15] <tsimonq2> phillw: basically I am saying yes, but I want the Ubuntu cloak when I get membership, so I am saying if I get this cloak, I just don't want it to interfere when that time comes, that's all :)
[20:16] <phillw> freenode will change cloaks for you.
[20:16] <tsimonq2> alright then, hit me :)


[00:01] <Bashing-om> krytarik: ^ I just copied Bryan's heading - and the link completes >> Fri Feb 25 00:01:51 UTC 2022 .
[00:02] <Bashing-om> krytarik: lemme fix the "Async``Flip``Secondaries" header - guess I got carried away :(
[00:02] <krytarik> "<Bashing-om> UWN: Issue724 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue723 ." - I mean here.
[00:05] <Bashing-om> Ouch !
[00:05] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue724 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue724.
[00:06] <Bashing-om> krytarik: ^ distractions here - slipped my mind to double check :(
[00:31] <guiverc> Bashing-om, my read thru complete; no comments
[00:31] <guiverc> as in it looks good !
[00:34] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Usuns do good works :D
[00:39] <guiverc> :)
[11:34] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Edubuntu: An overview of live kernel patching @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/an-overview-of-live-kernel-patching
[15:16] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Vodafone Cloud Smartphone based on Anbox Cloud @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/vodafone-cloud-smartphone-based-on-anbox-cloud
[15:45] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: A New GNOME Login Screen Tweak Tool is in Development @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/02/gdm-settings-app-to-tweak-gnome-login-screen (by Joey Sneddon)
[19:35] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Mir 2.7 brings idle timeout and OSK support for Qt applications @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/mir-2-7-brings-idle-timeout-and-osk-support-for-qt-applications
[20:08] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - log checked and no furtter edits are known - Time to push 21:00 UTC.
[21:01] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - doing the Forum post next.
[21:14] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forun post done - doing the re-directs next.
[21:22] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs also completed - pending is release to the Social Medias.
[21:48] <guiverc> fridge posted - https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/02/28/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-724/
[21:49] <guiverc> posted UWN 724 to twitter & telegram
[21:51] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wipe and rinse now ?
[21:53] <guiverc> yep, scrub away
[21:53] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check checks good :D
[22:00] <Bashing-om> UWN: We do issue725 :D
[22:07] <guiverc> uwn 724 posted to fb too
[22:08] <Bashing-om> guiverc: \o/ - we start all over again :P
[22:17] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 724 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/02/28/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-724/


[03:59] <JMGL> Is there someone on here tonigth??
[04:01] <JMGL> I got a trouble trying to install Ubuntu 16.04 on my new laptop,
[04:02] <JMGL> Anyone?


[01:03] <mup> Bug #1705594 opened: [2.2] rackd errors after fresh install <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1705594>
[08:19] <mup> Bug #1705654 opened: [2.2,2.3] DHCP IP addresses on HA rack controller causes incorrect fabric creation <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1705654>
[08:31] <mup> Bug #1705654 changed: [2.2,2.3] DHCP IP addresses on HA rack controller causes incorrect fabric creation <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1705654>
[08:40] <mup> Bug #1705654 opened: [2.x] DHCP IP addresses on HA rack controller causes incorrect fabric creation <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.2:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1705654>
[18:01] <blizzow> I've got my maas server up and running and I have a couple machines PXE booting. How long do I need to wait for the machines to show up in the nodes list?
[18:18] <blizzow> Sometimes a machine will show up in the nodes list and I hit commission. Then it just sticks in commissioning. The tasks just stay "pending"
[19:11] <catbus> blizzow: usually a few minutes for me for new machine to show up.
[19:11] <catbus> blizzow: Do the power parameters look good on the node page? Are they filled in after it's discovered/shown on the list?
[19:58] <blizzow> catbus.for one of my hosts it looks alright but failed at testing.
[19:58] <blizzow> Actually make that two hosts.
[19:59] <blizzow> I'm also having trouble in this ...https://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/autopilot  step six says to run conjure-up --bootstrap-to myhost.  It pukes with -  "Exception: Could not determine LXD version"
[20:02] <pmatulis> blizzow, for me, ~30 seconds to show up as 'New' (after booting for the first time) and ~2.5 minutes to be Commissioned
[20:41] <mup> Bug #1705774 opened: Controller refresh fails when a static IP address is used <MAAS:New for mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1705774>


[02:57] <ccfiel> hello guys
[04:26] <ccfiel> hello
[04:46] <ccfiel> hello anybody here? :)
[09:45] <renat> Hi all! It's Renat from Screenly.
[09:45] <renat> Hello, jdstrand. I created a bug report with the issue I get: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1561920
[11:20] <kyrofa> Good morning
[11:43] <didrocks> hey kyrofa!
[11:43] <didrocks> how are you?
[11:44] <kyrofa> Hey didrocks! Doing well, and yourself? Keeping busy?
[11:45] <didrocks> kyrofa: yeah, just back from Paris (stayed a couple of days for some event and meetup)
[11:47] <kyrofa> Sounds like fun! I plan on trying to go there next time I'm in london
[11:48] <didrocks> sweet! :)
[11:48] <didrocks> I demoed there the ascii as a service that I teased you about: https://twitter.com/didrocks/status/712916851186143232
[11:49] <jdstrand> renat: ok, thanks
[12:45] <ccfiel> hello guys!
[13:12] <kyrofa> didrocks, haha, that's awesome :)
[13:25] <jdstrand> renat: before you said that this worked on a previous image. what did you mean by that?
[13:26] <jdstrand> renat: what kernel, what os, etc
[13:33] <ccfiel> hello
[13:33] <ccfiel> anybody here? :)
[13:47] <kyrofa> jdstrand, so I'm snapping a codebase that makes a call to setpriority(). That's denied under seccomp and the execution is aborted
[13:48] <kyrofa> jdstrand, my current patch is to just comment out the setpriority(), but I'd like to suggest an upstream patch. Is there any way to check and see if setpriority() can be called before calling it?
[13:48] <kyrofa> ccfiel, people are always here :) . If you have a question, just ask!
[13:49] <ccfiel> kyrofa: hello! i know snappy has a copy plugin thats copy single file. how about multi files?
[13:50] <kyrofa> ccfiel, the copy plugin can copy many files
[13:50] <jdstrand> kyrofa: not otoh. if you use it you get killed. if you could introspect your seccomp policy, perhaps, but you can't
[13:50] <kyrofa> jdstrand, hmm...
[13:51] <kyrofa> jdstrand, so in the case of seccomp-restricted calls, there's no upstream patch we can suggest huh?
[13:51] <kyrofa> That's a bummer
[13:52] <jdstrand> a compile time option or a runtime option to not use it could work
[13:52] <ccfiel> kyrofa, where can I find a format in copy plugin? any tips?
[13:52] <kyrofa> jdstrand, ah, yeah compile-time flag, good idea. Not sure why I didn't think of it, thanks!
[13:55] <kyrofa> ccfiel, yeah that plugin doesn't have documentation, huh!? Please log a bug on that. Until we fix that, have a look at this example: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/blob/master/examples/webcam-webui/snapcraft.yaml
[13:55] <kyrofa> ccfiel, note the `files` key. Just add more items to it
[13:56] <josepht> I filed bug #1562000 against snapcraft.  I was starting to worry when I got an email yesterday about a snap I uploaded to the store but didn't upload a snap to the store.
[13:56] <jdstrand> olli: hey, mentioning this to you because mvo is offline. bug #1561920 seems to be a problem with the raspi2 kernel
[13:57] <jdstrand> olli: see my comment #2
[13:57] <ccfiel> kyrofa, ok. I have already tested it. So we need to do for now specify each of the files. There is no option for wild cards *.py  :) is that correct?
[13:58] <jdstrand> olli: summary-- rpi2 cannot launch confined apps
[13:59] <jdstrand> olli: I'm not sure who this would be assigned to, so coming to you
[14:00] <olli> jdstrand, looking
[14:00] <olli> trying to assign to ogra_
[14:00] <ogra_> boo
[14:00] <ogra_> :P
[14:01] <olli> I hear you do things with dem RPis
[14:02] <ogra_> yeah ... assign to me ... most likely a kernel issue though
[14:02] <jdstrand> I'm going to try the previous kernel now
[14:02] <ogra_> (thought i'm not sure what the --enable-ssh and --developer-mode options do to the all-snaps image ... afaik they are obsolete and might break stuff)
[14:03] <kyrofa> ccfiel, that should work
[14:03] <ogra_> there is a new kernel in -proposed ... but we need to wait til it migrated
[14:03] <kyrofa> ccfiel, the copy plugin does globbing
[14:03]  * ogra_ notes that he isnt officially here :)
[14:03] <kyrofa> Right, ogra_ out today and Monday, yeah?
[14:03] <ogra_> yep
[14:04] <ogra_> (finally some time to play with kodi on the rpi ;) )
[14:04] <kyrofa> ogra_, snapping? Or that custom distro?
[14:04] <jdstrand> ogra_: where is canonical-pi2-linux?
[14:05] <jdstrand> I don't see it in the shared account
[14:05] <jdstrand> oh, I might have a way to find it
[14:05] <ogra_> jdstrand, pick the right package type at the top
[14:05]  * ogra_ *always* runs into that
[14:06] <jdstrand> oh there it is
[14:06] <ogra_> :)
[14:06] <kyrofa> josepht, yeesh, sorry about that
[14:06] <ogra_> daily is at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/current/xenial-preinstalled-core-armhf.raspi2.kernel.snap
[14:06] <jdstrand> that's weird, the shared account looks like it is showing snappy stuff, and then you click on core apps and you get different snappy stuff
[14:06] <ogra_> yeah
[14:07]  * ogra_ would appreciate a cookie that just saves your last view
[14:07] <ogra_> after login it defaults to click ...
[14:07] <jdstrand> ogra_: I guess your on holiday (sorry). I'm going to run down those kernels and see which one last worked
[14:07] <ogra_> LD      kodi.bin
[14:07] <ogra_> -----------------------
[14:07] <ogra_> Kodi built successfully
[14:07] <ogra_> -----------------------
[14:07] <ogra_> (classic)ubuntu@localhost:~/xbmc$
[14:07] <ogra_> :D
[14:07] <olli> whut?
[14:08] <olli> seriously?
[14:08] <kyrofa> ogra_, good luck _running_ it
[14:08] <ogra_> only built the git tree yet and running it under xorg in classic ...
[14:08] <kyrofa> Ah!
[14:08] <ogra_> cleaning that up for snappification comes later :)
[14:09] <ccfiel> kyrofa, i tried *.py: bin/*.py
[14:09] <olli> ogra_, mind grabbing that bug from Jamie, apparently I am not smart enough to assign you
[14:09] <ccfiel> but error " expected alphabetic or numeric character, but found '.' on line 22 of snapcraft.yaml"
[14:09] <olli> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1561920
[14:09] <ogra_> olli, done
[14:09] <olli> thx
[14:11] <kyrofa> ccfiel, try *.py: bin/
[14:12] <kyrofa> Hmm... that still may not work
[14:14] <jdstrand> hrmm, installing canonical-pi2-linux.canonical_4.3.0-1006-6_armhf.snap hosed my install
[14:14] <jdstrand> ogra_: is there a minimum kernel snap version I need to use with latest os/udf/etc?
[14:14] <ogra_> nope, shouldnt
[14:15] <ogra_> thats indeed 4.3
[14:15] <ogra_> 4.4 waits for elopio to approve
[14:15] <jdstrand> ogra_: in the bug you can see that 4.4 is in the store
[14:15] <ccfiel> kyrofa, when I add in files. in copy it does not executed. do I need to do snappy clean always if I change something?
[14:15] <ogra_> (though i think we should simply release the whole set untested as alpha for now ... so we finally have something usable )
[14:16] <jdstrand> oh, it is starting to come up
[14:16] <ogra_> jdstrand, 4.4 is on cdimage and uploaded to the store into edge
[14:16] <kyrofa> ccfiel, indeed, Snapcraft doesn't currently notice changes in the yaml. It's something we're working on
[14:16] <ogra_> but not moved to stable
[14:16] <jdstrand> I see what you mean
[14:16] <jdstrand> oh, I think rollback may have worked
[14:17] <jdstrand> I'm back into the 4.4 kernel
[14:17]  * jdstrand regenerates with udf
[14:19] <jdstrand> kyrofa: fyi, I found myself doing this a lot lately with dirs in different locations and not wanting to overlay '/': http://paste.ubuntu.com/15496227/
[14:19] <jdstrand> kyrofa: I imagine you probably already scripted that, but if not, there you go
[14:20] <jdstrand> ./overlay-dir /lib
[14:20] <jdstrand> ./overlay-dir /usr
[14:20] <jdstrand> etc
[14:20] <kyrofa> jdstrand, awesome, thanks! I hadn't actually-- haven't had to use it recently, but I'll keep this in my back pocket
[14:20] <kyrofa> Super useful
[14:20] <jdstrand> it is quite handy
[14:37] <ccfiel> kyrofa, clean and doing staging again takes long to finish :(
[14:38] <kyrofa> ccfiel, try just `snapcraft clean -s build` to only clean back to the build step
[14:38] <kyrofa> So you don't need to pull again etc.
[14:38] <kyrofa> Although I guess that depends on what version of snapcraft you're on
[14:44] <jdstrand> hmm, that 4.3 kernel will not boot
[14:44] <ccfiel> kyrofa, I will try that next time I do a clean
[14:44]  * jdstrand move to next one
[14:46] <renat> jdstrand, hello!
[14:47] <renat> If you want to boot previous version of the kernel you need to use canonical-pi2.canonical version 3.0
[14:48] <jdstrand> renat: this one: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/4284/rev/3/
[14:49] <renat> jdstrand, access denied=(
[14:49] <jdstrand> renat: canonical-pi2-linux.canonical_4.3.0-1006-2_armhf.snap
[14:50] <jdstrand> ?
[14:50] <renat> canonical-pi2-linux.canonical_4.3.0-1006-6_armhf.snap
[14:50] <jdstrand> I tried that one. it wouldn't boot
[14:50] <renat> This gadget snap will boot canonical-pi2.canonical_3.0_all.snap
[14:50] <jdstrand> renat: what udf invocation are you using with that kernel?
[14:50] <renat> Yes, you need appropriate gadget snap.
[14:50] <renat> I don't know=(
[14:51] <jdstrand> oh, which gadget snap?
[14:51] <jdstrand> oh I see
[14:51] <jdstrand> man, these packages names are quite similar
[14:51] <renat> Previous version. 3.0: https://public.apps.ubuntu.com/anon/download/canonical/canonical-pi2.canonical/canonical-pi2.canonical_3.0_all.snap
[14:51] <renat> This may work. I create our gadget snap from it.
[14:54]  * jdstrand is trying
[15:06] <ogra_> you can use any gadget btw ... but need to manually copy the dtb from system-boot/canonical..../dtbs to system-boot/
[15:07] <ogra_> (by default 3.0 uses the dtb from kernel 4.3 and 3.1+ uses 4.4)
[15:09] <jdstrand> ah
[15:10] <jdstrand> that explains that them
[15:10] <jdstrand> then*
[15:10] <jdstrand> ogra_: I can confirm that 4.3.0-1006-6 works. would it help if I went farther?
[15:16] <ogra_> jdstrand, nah ... i'll talk to ppisati
[15:16] <jdstrand> ok
[15:16] <ogra_> and we should also wait for the kernel from -proposed
[15:17] <ogra_> jdstrand, can you run dmesg without sudo on 4.3 ?
[15:17] <ogra_> i noticed i cant on 4.4
[15:17] <ogra_> might be related
[15:23] <ogra_> ppisati, could you take a look at bug 1561920 ... seems kernel related
[15:31] <ppisati> ogra_: added it to the pile, i'm finishing one thing with the dboard ATM
[15:31] <ogra_> no hurry ftrom my side :)
[15:57] <josepht> I'm trying to build a armhf version of my snap on my rpi2 but I'm getting a checksum mismatch when it's reviewed in the store.  https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/4710/rev/7/
[16:11] <ccfiel> kyrofa, it works just need to put qoute '*.py': bin/
[16:51] <ysionneau> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15498365/ < where can I find the "AppArmor 2.4 compatibility patches"?
[16:52] <ysionneau> ah seems to be there http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/apparmor/vivid/files/head:/kernel-patches/3.10/
[19:27] <josepht> kyrofa: do you have any idea why I'd see that? ^
[22:11] <stgraber> jdstrand: new LXD rc uploaded to the store
[22:15] <jdstrand> approved
[22:19] <stgraber> thanks


[00:34] <kees> ogasawara: looks like -22.32 is missing the guard page change
[00:58] <ogasawara> kees: hrm, were there additional patches besides the one I mentioned earlier?
[02:45] <undriedsea> Hi everyone, I'm having a problem with a kernel module crashing when I attempt to modify the system call table. Which would be expected, except that I have made its page in memory writable before attempting this feat. Any ideas would be very much appreciated :) http://codepad.org/W3ThQbb8
[02:50] <AceLan_> undriedsea: wow, interesting
[02:51] <undriedsea> lol, are you being sarcastic Ace? I know its not terribly complex, but it has me stumped
[02:52] <AceLan_> undriedsea: no, I never thought of you can modify sys_call_table by that way
[02:52] <jk-> undriedsea: are you just trying to catch calls to sys_open?
[02:53] <undriedsea> yes, but this is just a test. I have a bunch of system calls I need to hook into at a low level. LD linking is not good enough for me because apps could call the syscall directly and not use the C lib, and I need to handle that
[02:54] <lifeless> undriedsea: there is a runtime patching system for the kernel some US guys wrote a few years back; they do this sort of thing and much more complex too - have a look into that
[02:54] <jk-> are you looking to modify the syscall's behaviour, or just monitor it?
[02:55] <undriedsea> in this test I am monitoring. I will be changed the behavior
[02:55] <undriedsea> *changing
[02:55] <undriedsea> I will take a look at that lifeless. I still, for my own sake, would really like to understand why my code does not work
[02:57] <jk-> undriedsea: also, you can still do this in userspace via ptrace()
[02:58] <undriedsea> thanks jk, I thought about that, but for the project the context switch overhead would kill performance
[03:00] <undriedsea> I realize this is the old/dirty way to intercept a syscall, but it is also very fast- and I can't think of why that code does not work. However, I must confess- I have not spent much time with this kernel
[03:01] <jk-> undriedsea: so what's the oops message you're seeing?
[03:01] <undriedsea> Sep 16 19:51:02 kdev kernel: [  145.012726] BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffffff81551390
[03:01] <undriedsea> that is the address of the system call table
[03:02] <undriedsea> or actually sys_call_table[__NR_open]
[03:02] <jk-> could you paste the rest of the log?
[03:03] <jk-> err, pastebin, not paste in the chan
[03:03] <undriedsea> sure http://codepad.org/O01qFsdz
[03:04] <undriedsea> Thank you for bothering to take a look :)
[03:05] <jk-> and what's the instruction at init_module+0x51 ?
[03:06] <jk-> (could you pastebin a disassembly of init_module?)
[03:06] <AceLan_> undriedsea: I got BUG: at set_memory_rw() function call
[03:06] <AceLan_> undriedsea: not OOPS
[03:07] <undriedsea> that is interesting, what is your platform? I am amd64
[03:07] <undriedsea> Also, did you change the sys_call_table address to match your own system AceLan?
[03:07] <jk-> AceLan_: yeah, it's probably bugging in change_page_attr_set_clr, because the page address is not page-aligned
[03:08] <AceLan_> undriedsea: a normal i386 kernel
[03:08] <undriedsea> jk, can I use hexdump to do that?
[03:08] <AceLan_> undriedsea: sure, I changed the address
[03:08] <jk-> undriedsea: objdump -d
[03:08] <jk-> undriedsea: you're probably seeing that WARN_ON_ONCE too
[03:09] <undriedsea> jk: the dump http://codepad.org/FcHuSS0c
[03:10] <undriedsea> jk: do I need to make sure my call to set_memory_rw is 4k aligned?
[03:12] <jk-> undriedsea: it should be, but that's not what's causing the oops
[03:12] <jk-> also, are you sure that this disassembly matches the module that you inserted to cause this oops?
[03:13] <undriedsea> Maybe- I ran that objdump on the .o, should it have been on the .ko ? (n00b sorry...)
[03:13] <jk-> on the .o is fine
[03:14] <jk-> but the oops log reports that your init_module function is 0x70 bytes in size, whereas the disassemly would indicate that it's 0x49 bytes
[03:14] <AceLan_> undriedsea: read this # http://www.downloadpipe.com/forums/linux/Problem-set_memory_rw-ftopict76420.html
[03:14] <AceLan_> system call table is on .rodata section and set_memory_rw() doesn't
[03:14] <AceLan_> allow change attributes on .rodata sections(not .text)
[03:14] <undriedsea> my .ko dump is much larger
[03:15] <undriedsea> Thanks ace!
[03:15] <undriedsea> I guess I will have to modify the page table directly to accomplish my goal
[03:16] <undriedsea> :(
[03:16] <jk-> or patch sys_open
[03:16] <AceLan_> undriedsea: yes, you have to export sys_call_table
[03:17] <undriedsea> That would require my end users to install a custom kernel wouldn't it, rather than just install my module?
[03:17] <AceLan_> undriedsea: you have to modify the kernel :(
[03:17] <jk-> but this is all pretty ugly, what are you actually trying to do?
[03:18] <jk-> AceLan_: exporting it will only expose the linkage, will still be able to refer to it by symbol address
[03:19] <undriedsea> I am writing a process live migration module, I need to capture sys_calls and translate file handles, process IDs etc. For example, a process might get moved to a machine where its PID conflicts with an existing PID, so I need to hide this
[03:19] <undriedsea> If I was writing this 6 years ago before all this stop exporting the sys_call_table, make it RO nonsense, it would be much easier :)
[03:20] <AceLan_> wow, sounds so cool, process moves among machines
[03:21] <undriedsea> Well, I hope it is cool when I am done, or I will be working on my masters project a looong time lol :)
[03:21] <AceLan_> undriedsea: how about not real move the process, indtead of recreating the same one on another machine?
[03:22] <undriedsea> Those are the same things, I am doing two things, replicating the process state, and hiding namespace issues (file handle number, PIDs, semphore ids, etc)
[03:23] <undriedsea> I cannot change the PID even after moving becuase the programmer of the application may have made a call eariler to get the PID and their code might now be depending on that value
[03:24] <AceLan_> right, very reasonable
[03:25] <undriedsea> There are other methods besides doing what I am doing, but they are either slow (because the involve kernel/user-mode context switches) or they only capture syscalls made through the standard libraries (which means I could not migrate applications which directly make system calls)
[03:26] <AceLan_> undriedsea: have you to use 2.6 kernel? I think modify sys_call_table in 2.4 kernel is much easier
[03:26] <undriedsea> So I guess I will be directly changing the page table using the low level instructions because the kernel is silly and won't do it
[03:26] <undriedsea> You are correct, however, I want people to be able to do useful things with the result of my project
[03:27] <undriedsea> I could just make my own kernel build that turns the security off in 2.6 too, but ideally, I only want people to need to load a module (if at all possible)
[03:29] <jk-> undriedsea: what are you doing about kernel state - open files, sockets, etc?
[03:30] <undriedsea> replicating it
[03:30] <jk-> how?
[03:32] <undriedsea> By keeping track of kernel state of live migration processes and recreating that state on the new host. The unique identifier might not match, but my namespace translation later takes care of that
[03:33] <undriedsea> or will, I am just getting started
[03:40] <jk-> undriedsea: have you read Eric Roman's survey of Checkpoint/Restart implementations?
[03:40] <jk-> undriedsea: and Zhong and Nieh's CRAK paper?
[03:42] <undriedsea> CRAK and ZAP yes, I will look for Erics
[03:43] <undriedsea> I found the code that is killing me,  832        if (!pgprot_val(mask_set) && !pgprot_val(mask_clr) && !force_split)
[03:43] <undriedsea>  833                return 0;
[03:43] <undriedsea> http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.31/arch/x86/mm/pageattr.c#L818
[03:44] <jk-> you can control the fd table, so you don't need to worry about translating FDs
[03:45] <undriedsea> fd, file descriptors?
[03:45] <jk-> yep
[03:45] <undriedsea> cool, that will be nice
[04:09] <undriedsea> When looking at System.map, what do the single character values after the address and before the symbolic name denote?
[04:44] <AceLan_> undriedsea: The "How to get sys_call_table" and "Simple sys_call_table hook" might useful # http://www.slideshare.net/fisher.w.y/rootkit-on-linux-x86-v26
[04:57] <undriedsea> AceLan, that is very interesting, thank you
[08:20] <lag> diwic: Hi
[08:21] <diwic> Hi lag
[08:21] <lag> I'm assuming you have a vast array of test audio files?
[08:21] <lag> Do you have any S32_LE?
[08:22] <diwic> lag, naah, but use the plug layer and it will convert it for you
[08:22] <lag> Okay
[08:22] <lag> Cheers
[08:22] <lag> I'll probably be pestering you a few times today - stay alert ;)
[08:23] <diwic> lag, or if that doesn't work, I can create one in audacity for you
[08:23] <lag> Cool, thanks
[10:28] <diwic> ogasawara, ping
[13:03] <lag> diwic: Can you come into #ubuntu-arm?
[14:55] <bjf> JFo: cranberry is now running lucid
[14:55] <JFo> excellent
[15:01] <diwic> bjf, I talked to takashi about his dailies, he said they were created after midnight, his time. So if you run your script approx UTC+3, that would be optimal
[15:01] <bjf> diwic, thanks, I can make that happen
[15:02] <diwic> bjf, great :-)
[15:03] <bjf> diwic, where does takashi live?
[15:04] <diwic> bjf, in Germany I believe.
[15:05] <diwic> bjf, which is UTC+1 +DST
[15:05] <bjf> diwic, ok, that puts him 9 hours ahead of me
[15:06] <diwic> bjf, and me as well then - amazing you're up already ;-)
[15:06] <smb> diwic, UTC+2
[15:07] <bjf> diwic, it's 7 a.m. already! where has the day gone?
[15:07] <diwic> smb, UTC+1 in winter and UTC+2 in summer, right?
[15:07] <smb> right
[15:07] <diwic> same as here.
[15:08] <diwic> smb, you are from Germany as well, right?
[15:08] <smb> I am, yes. I am never sure about Takasi thoug. :)
[15:09] <bjf> diwic, so his midnight should be my 15:00
[15:09] <smb> People tended to believe GregKH to be in Germany, too as he has a suse.de email address as well.
[15:09] <smb> bjf, Its 4:10pm here if that helps
[15:10] <JFo> brb
[15:11] <bjf> smb, the math still works out :-)
[15:13] <bjf> diwic, time on the cron job has been adjusted
[15:13] <diwic> bjf, thumbs up
[15:14] <cnd> ogasawara, manjo: bug 641320
[15:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641320 in linux (Ubuntu) "Touchpad is not working since last kernel update in maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641320
[15:15] <cnd> due to the new ALPS patch
[15:15] <cnd> manjo, why did you push the dell patch instead of the patch on LP that had bug fixes in it?
[15:15] <manjo> cnd, I picked the patch from the LP
[15:16] <manjo> cnd, and jerone tested it at dell
[15:16] <cnd> oh, someone on the LP bug thought it wasn't that patch
[15:16] <cnd> they thought it was the upstream patch
[15:17] <cnd> either way, we probably need to revert the patch
[15:17] <apw> perhaps one of you could confirm we didn't end up taking the upstream patch
[15:17] <manjo> cnd, :) heh funny coz you recommended that  patch in the 1st place
[15:17] <cnd> heh, I pointed it out :)
[15:18] <apw> it may have been assumed it was the same and that one cherry-picked instread
[15:18] <cnd> no recommendation
[15:18] <cnd> just that it has some fixes the dell one doesn't
[15:18] <cnd> btw, sorry if I'm a bit curt
[15:18] <cnd> in the middle of xds :)
[15:18] <apw> cnd/manjo, which was the original bug
[15:18] <cnd> apw, I need to dig it out
[15:19] <cnd> http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/632884
[15:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 632884 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) " Add support for Intellimouse Mode in ALPS touchpad on Dell Latitude series Laptops (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[15:19] <bjf> manjo, cnd, this sounds like the problem davidm is also having
[15:22] <cnd> manjo, apw, the sauce patch in ubuntu doesn't match the LP patch
[15:22] <manjo> cnd which lp patch are you taking about ?
[15:22] <apw> cnd, seems to match the 'final patch' link
[15:23] <manjo> The final patch can be found here:
[15:23] <manjo> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/118834/
[15:23] <manjo> that is what I pushed
[15:23] <cnd> manjo, which is the upstream submitted dell patch I said not to use :)
[15:24] <manjo> cnd, I don't see any other patch there
[15:24] <cnd> manjo, it's on the LP bug
[15:24] <Sarvatt> cnd: bug work right so soon after you get done with a talk? you're a machine! :)
[15:24] <cnd> heh
[15:24] <cnd> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/54076279/2.6.35-alps-730264-imps-emulation.patch
[15:24] <apw> dammit this is serious, we have pushed the final maverick kernels
[15:24] <cnd> manjo, that's the patch I pointed to ^
[15:24] <apw> to get this fixed we need to get an exception
[15:25] <cnd> from https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/550625/comments/154
[15:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 550625 in linux (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "Alps touchpad is recognized but synaptics clients and scrolling do not work (affects: 113) (dups: 9) (heat: 576)" [Medium,Incomplete]
[15:25] <apw> bjf, does davidm have a bug also ?
[15:25]  * apw will switch the patch and get some test kernles out to these bugs
[15:26] <bjf> apw, yes, though he's been unable to actually file it due to LP timeouts
[15:26] <manjo> cnd, there is no mention of 550625 in 632884 so when you asked me to help with 632884 I did by picking up the final patch there
[15:27] <apw> manjo, there is though in comment #1
[15:28] <apw> manjo, anyhow i'll get some kernels together
[15:30] <cnd> apw, might I suggest just pulling the patch?
[15:30] <cnd> git revert
[15:30] <cnd> the patch hasn't been reviewed upstream and we're so late
[15:30] <cnd> and the trackpads still work without the patch, just not with scrolling support
[15:30] <apw> cnd, i thought you needed that in to get multi-touch or some shit
[15:31] <cnd> apw, nope
[15:31] <cnd> it was just a bug I wanted someone to look at
[15:31] <cnd> since I had seen someone in the community had worked on the patch some
[15:31] <cnd> I didn't want it to fall through the cracks
[15:31] <cnd> and disappear forever into LP :)
[15:32] <hallyn> oh goodie, i get to blame manjo for breaking my tp :)
[15:33] <manjo> cnd, so why did you ask me to look at it if it was not important ?
[15:33]  * hallyn shakes his fist
[15:33] <cnd> I never said it was important :)
[15:33] <cnd> I just said someone should look at it
[15:38] <Sarvatt> there are quite a large number of bugs against synaptics at least regarding the alps scroll situation that i'm moving over to that one right now, I wouldn't say its unimportant. not having touchpad scroll is a pretty crappy user experience
[15:40] <cnd> Sarvatt, it's not whether it's important or not
[15:40] <cnd> it's that we're in kernel freeze
[15:40] <cnd> and we aren't positive that we won't add more regressions with the patch from LP
[15:41] <apw> Sarvatt, right, we really are past the point where we want to make any changes as someone has to respin every CD as a result
[15:41] <apw> and we have no time to get any testing on it, i'll mark the bug for consideration after release
[15:41] <apw> (the original one) and we can then test it more thoroughly
[15:44] <cnd> my hope was that someone would take a look at the LP patch many weeks ago, put it in a development kernel, and then we can work on upstreaming it
[15:45] <cnd> then oem services wanted proper alps support, and manjo and vanhoof looked at it a week or two ago
[15:45] <cnd> timing just wasn't as good as one could hope :(
[15:45] <cnd> and I didn't have enough time to work the bug properly myself...
[15:46] <robbiew> JFo: ping
[16:00] <JFo> robbiew, pong
[16:01] <JFo> s'what I get for working on 2 machines
[16:02] <robbiew> JFo: nevermind...was going to ask you about I bug, but I decided it was easier to just ask the submitter as a comment ;)
[16:03] <JFo> heh
[16:10] <apw> hallyn, hey ... i'm just reverting that patch and will have some test kernels in about 10 mins for testing if you could confirm the revert fixes you
[16:10] <hallyn> apw: cool
[16:13]  * JFo stepping out for a bit. some errands and packing to complete before flying for Taipei tomorrow.
[16:19] <ogasawara> kees: about?  want to check back with you about the stack guard change you said was missing?
[16:20] <ogasawara> kees: I'd only applied the one patch from smb - http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=commit;h=1ccc5359a8f055b153a2e0cfec02a594a8443360
[16:21] <ogasawara> kees: is there additional patches I need to get applied?
[16:24] <ogasawara> jjohansen: re "[PATCH 3/3] UBUNTU: SAUCE: AppArmor: allow newer tools to load policyon older kernels"
[16:24] <ogasawara> jjohansen: is there something you want modified with that patch per tetsuo's comments?
[16:24] <hallyn> apw: actually gotta run for a bit, i'll test when i get back
[16:25] <ogasawara> jjohansen: we might have a chance to get that fixed and squeezed into a last minute upload
[16:25] <kees> ogasawara: let me check if it passes now that I've rebooted
[16:25] <kees> ogasawara: doesn't seem to pass
[16:26] <kees> smb: the test still fails on maverick with that applied ^^
[16:26] <smb> kees, hm...
[16:26] <kees> oh wait
[16:26] <kees> I'm still on the wrong kernel, one sec
[16:27]  * smb holds his breath
[16:27]  * ogasawara crosses fingers the right kernel works
[16:27]  * smb turns slightly purple...
[16:27] <kees> kees@sec-maverick-i386:~/qa-regression-testing/scripts/kernel/guard-page$ cat /proc/version_signature
[16:27] <kees> Ubuntu 2.6.35-22.32-generic <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:27] <kees> kees@sec-maverick-i386:~/qa-regression-testing/scripts/kernel/guard-page$ ./split-stack stack start changed due to mlock call (0xbfa2c000 != 0xbfa4b000)!
[16:27] <kees> still fails
[16:28] <smb> kees, is there more output to look at?
[16:28] <kees> fails on hardy even. *scratch head*
[16:28] <ogasawara> kees: how critical is this for landing in Maverick's release?
[16:29] <ogasawara> kees: as we've likely got one last shot for an upload
[16:29] <smb> I would say not very critical
[16:29] <ogasawara> smb: so it could potentially be resolved via an SRU post maverick release?
[16:29] <smb> Yes, sounds reasonable
[16:29]  * kees will boot an upstream vanilla kernels
[16:30] <kees> s/s$//
[16:30] <smb> kees, But those addresses seem to be too far apart to be one page...
[16:30] <smb> kees, Thats weird
[16:30] <smb> Do you have the full output of maps somewhere?
[16:30] <kees> smb: it goes from:
[16:30] <kees> bff13000-bff34000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0          [stack]
[16:31] <kees> to:
[16:31] <kees> bff13000-bff33000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0
[16:31] <kees> bff33000-bff34000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0          [stack]
[16:31] <kees> across the mlock call
[16:31] <smb> kees, There does not seem to be a whole in there to me
[16:31] <smb> err hole
[16:32] <kees> hm? but the thing that got called "stack" got chopped up
[16:32] <kees> maybe I misunderstood the issue?
[16:32] <smb> I suppose
[16:32] <smb> wron would be
[16:32] <smb> bff13000-bff33000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0
[16:33] <smb> errr what would be bff333000 +4k.
[16:34] <jjohansen> ogasawara: yes, if we can squeeze it in
[16:34] <smb> kees, Seems to be an unfortunate example
[16:34] <ogasawara> jjohansen: yep, just get me a patch to the ml asap
[16:34] <jjohansen> ogasawara: okay
[16:34] <smb> The problem _was_ that you saw a gap between  the vmas
[16:34] <apw> smb, 4k == 1000 hex
[16:35] <smb> apw, ta
[16:35] <kees> 7fff810d6000-7fff810f7000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0                          [stack]
[16:35] <kees> vs
[16:35] <kees> 7fff810d6000-7fff810f5000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0
[16:35] <kees> 7fff810f6000-7fff810f6000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0                          [stack]
[16:35] <kees> smb: there's a gap between 7fff810f5000 and 7fff810f6000
[16:35] <kees> is that the bug?
[16:35] <kees> my testcase is wrong, I guess.
[16:36]  * smb scratches his head
[16:36] <kees> I thought it was the fact that the stack got misidentified
[16:36] <smb> kees, That looks more broken than anything I saw
[16:36] <ogasawara> jjohansen: if you prefer, just give me two patches, one to revert the original SAUCE patch and then the fixed up version
[16:37] <jjohansen> ogasawara: okay
[16:38] <smb> kees, The problem was that the first page of a stack vma got hidden (start was moved up one page).
[16:39] <kees> that would seem to be what the "gap between 7fff810f5000 and 7fff810f6000" demonstrates
[16:39] <smb> kees, May be what you posted last. 6000-6000 (basically size 0)
[16:40] <smb> The 6000-5000 looks really weird
[16:40] <apw> smb, thats doesn't say 6000->5000
[16:41] <kees> okay, the kernels before the guard page show:
[16:41] <kees> bfdd1000-bfde6000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0          [stack]
[16:41] <kees> into
[16:41] <kees> bfdd1000-bfde3000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0
[16:41] <kees> bfde3000-bfde4000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0          [stack]
[16:41] <apw> it says d6000->f5000
[16:41] <kees> so the split is "ok". it's the _gap_ that is bad.
[16:41] <smb> apw, ah ok missed that
[16:42] <kees> I'll fix the test case
[16:42] <smb> kees, But the second exapmple has no gap, right? bfdd1000-bfde3000 and bfde3000-bfde4000
[16:42] <smb> kees, oh ah
[16:42] <smb> kees, yes
[16:43]  * kees nods
[16:43] <smb> kees, the split is ok. but the address range should be connected
[16:43] <kees> I thought the bug was the splitting at all. I didn't realize the gap
[16:43] <kees> right
[16:43] <kees> fixing testcase...
[16:43] <apw> it always has to be split cause the permissions differ after the mlock
[16:44] <kees> apw: though oddly, the state of mlock isn't shown in maps
[16:44] <kees> (nor vma growth direction)
[16:44] <apw> kees, indeed, maps is a little useless
[16:45] <apw> kees, might be more in smaps
[16:45] <tseliot> apw: it seems that the following commit was included after 2.6.35-20:
[16:45] <tseliot> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=c41d68a513c71e35a14f66d71782d27a79a81ea6
[16:45] <tseliot> apw: this breaks fglrx
[16:46] <tseliot> compat_alloc_user_space(), that is
[16:46] <apw> tseliot, how does it manifest, what breaks
[16:47] <tseliot> apw: I get error: implicit declaration of function ‘compat_alloc_user_space’
[16:47] <tseliot> apw: when trying to build the kernel module for fglrx
[16:47] <smb> tseliot, ITs likely because they exported thy symbol GPL
[16:47] <apw> tseliot, try converting the call to arch_compat_alloc_user_space()
[16:48] <smb> EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(compat_alloc_user_space)
[16:48] <apw> ahh ... doh
[16:48] <tseliot> apw, smb: I could use arch_compat_alloc_user_space() but would this work on previous 2.6.35 kernels?
[16:48] <ogasawara> ogra, mpoirier: bug 630885, is that release critical?  or ok as a post release SRU?
[16:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630885 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Preinstalled Maverick netbook image has no display on omap3 EVM (no LCD) (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630885
[16:48] <apw> tseliot, nope
[16:49] <tseliot> apw: it was a rhetorical question ;)
[16:49] <ogra> ogasawara, we dont have such HW in the team, probably for linaro
[16:49] <ogra> ogasawara, but since i expect changes for omap3 anyway it wouldnt do harm to have it too
[16:49] <tseliot> smb: do you mean to say that they did EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(compat_alloc_user_space) in the fglrx code?
[16:50] <smb> tseliot, No they made the export like that in kernel/compat.c
[16:50] <smb> Before that it was an inline function
[16:50] <apw> tseliot, no he is saying the kernel has been changed to only export it to GPL stuff
[16:50] <tseliot> smb: ah, I get it now
[16:50] <mpoirier> ogasawara: the request came from a TI guy - is we get it in great, otherwise that's just life.
[16:51] <apw> tseliot, sounds like you have just need to include a header though
[16:51] <apw> as the code you are compiling is GPL right, the shim is GPL
[16:51] <ogasawara> mpoirier: and the patch itself is going upstream?
[16:51] <mpoirier> ogasawara: I wish it could...
[16:52] <mpoirier> but haven't had any luck with all our beagle work.
[16:52] <ogasawara> mpoirier: tgardner had inquired
[16:52] <smb> tseliot, yeah, mabe including <linux/compat.h> works
[16:52] <mpoirier> yes, tgardner and I have talked about it.
[16:53] <tseliot> apw, smb: including <linux/compat.h> works but I can't because it's GPL while the file that should include it is not
[16:53] <mpoirier> ogasawara: I'm thinking about enlisting outside key contributors to help with the push up.
[16:53] <ogasawara> mpoirier: might be good to post the result of the discussion to the mailing list so we're all in the loop
[16:54] <apw> tseliot, add a shim funtion in the gpl file ?
[16:54] <ogasawara> mpoirier: and I assume I should add the additional provenance for the patch?
[16:54] <mpoirier> ogasawara: should we mumble ?
[16:54] <ogasawara> mpoirier: sure
[16:58] <MTecknology> I've been playing with compiling the kernel and trying to figure it out on that level. I got myself stuck though. I'm missing a module (I assume) but I have no idea what module it might be.. My system boots pretty nice. It even loads to TTY7 (only 1 and 7). This is what I wind up seeing. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/495371/ (Maverick). Any chance I could get a little pointer?
[17:03] <jjohansen> ogasawara: patches should be on the list now
[17:03] <ogasawara> jjohansen: great, thanks
[17:05] <tseliot> apw: ah, so a simple function that calls arch_compat_alloc_user_space() in asm/compat.h?
[17:07] <smb> tseliot, I probably would rather do a simple function that call compat_alloc_userspace (to get the benefit of the additional checks) which is defined in a gpl'ed code
[17:10] <apw> tseliot, indded as smb suggests
[17:10] <apw> fgrlx_alloc_user_space() { compat_aloc_user_space() }
[17:10] <apw> stylee
[17:10] <apw> and that should be compatible either way i think
[17:11] <apw> thus showing how stupid the whole export_gpl stuff really is, as you can comply with the rules
[17:17] <tseliot> apw, smb: ah, so I could add that function in asm/compat.h and the thing would be legal? This would mean adding something like #define ALLOC_COMPAT_LEGACY (or a better name) so that fglrx can see whether it needs to call fgrlx_alloc_user_space() at build time.
[17:18] <smb> No, not changing anything in the normal kernel code. This should go into the fglrx code (the part that is gpl)
[17:21] <tseliot> smb: this is what they currently do in fglrx:
[17:21] <tseliot> void* ATI_API_CALL KCL_IOCTL_AllocUserSpace32(long size)
[17:21] <tseliot> {
[17:21] <tseliot>     return compat_alloc_user_space(size);
[17:21] <tseliot> }
[17:21] <apw> and they do that in non-GPL file right ?
[17:21] <tseliot> yep
[17:21] <apw> but they ahve a GPL file, so change that to fgrlc_alloc....(size)
[17:21] <apw> and add an identicle wrapper to the GPL file
[17:22] <apw> as i say, the separation is pointless
[17:23] <apw> hallyn, kernel for testing is at: http://people.canonical.com/~apw/lp641320-maverick/
[17:24] <apw> tseliot, do u mumble ?
[17:24] <tseliot> apw: yep but I need to connect the microphone
[17:24] <apw> might be easier to talk
[17:27] <tseliot> apw: right but my microphone doesn't seem to be detected...
[17:28]  * tseliot blames it on pulseaudio
[17:30] <MTecknology> Is there a ureadahead module in the ubuntu version of the kernel that's required to boot - even if you don't have ureadahead?
[17:34] <tseliot> apw: ok, it works now, let's talk
[17:37] <tseliot> apw: where shall we talk?
[17:38] <apw> we are in cafinated conversation ... under Kernel
[17:38] <smb> tseliot, kernel teams caffeinated conversation
[17:39] <tseliot> smb, apw: ok, I'm there
[17:43] <tseliot> apw: can you hear me?
[17:43] <smb> He cannot
[17:43] <tseliot> oh
[17:43] <smb> In fact none of us. :)
[17:43] <tseliot> ok, let me reconfigure mumble
[17:47] <tseliot> smb, apw: now it's telling me that my password is wrong. I'll give up on mumble for now.
[17:47] <tseliot> apw, smb: were you suggesting that I define the function in the GPL file and export the function?
[17:48] <tseliot> the fgrlx_alloc_user_space() function that is
[17:48] <smb> Right, you do it in the GPL file and export it (or link) it to the non-gpl file
[17:49] <tseliot> ok, I see what you mean now
[17:49] <tseliot> thanks
[17:56] <tseliot> smb, apw: thanks a lot for your help
[17:56] <smb> np :)
[17:58] <hallyn> apw: that kernel is good
[17:58] <apw> hallyn, thanks can you update the bug pls
[18:00] <hallyn> apw: done, thanks
[18:05] <hallyn> though now, periodically the x display just hange.  right now i'm typing typing typing and not seeing anything, but i'tll suddenly just catch up  maybe
[18:19] <ogasawara> apw: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/495420/
[18:39] <ogasawara> apw: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/495429/ - updated revision
[18:54] <Sarvatt> would something like this work for all of these vaio F series that need i8042.nopnp? http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/vaio-vpcf-i8042-quirk.patch
[18:56] <Sarvatt> VPCF1290X VPCF126FM VPCF12S1E VPCF12M1E VPCF121FD are the models i've found so far needing it
[18:57] <mjg59> Given that Windows uses pnp to identify i8042 devices, that seems very much like the wrong fix
[19:08] <Sarvatt> mjg59: thanks, it was a shot in the dark. it looks to be all VPCF12xxx devices, VPCF11xxx that hallyn has doesn't need the quirk to have the touchpad working
[19:08] <mjg59> Sarvatt: What's the bug number for this?
[19:08] <mjg59> Sarvatt: And does it have dmesg in both cases?
[19:09] <Sarvatt> there are a whole rack of bugs i'm noticing now that i'm looking and haven't condensed them yet, one sec i'll get you a list. they all have this in dmesg
[19:09] <Sarvatt> [    1.377980] PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
[19:09] <Sarvatt> [    1.377982] PNP: PS/2 appears to have AUX port disabled, if this is incorrect please boot with i8042.nopnp
[19:10] <mjg59> Awesome
[19:10] <mjg59> Sarvatt: Need acpidump as well
[19:10] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/636638
[19:10] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 636638 in linux (Ubuntu) "Touchpad is not detected on Sony VPCF126FM (affects: 1) (heat: 848)" [Undecided,New]
[19:11] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/641169
[19:11] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 641169 in linux (Ubuntu) "alps touchpad sony vaio recognized, but not working (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[19:11] <Sarvatt> ^ that one has acpidump but no dmesg, he put his dmesg in another bug
[19:11] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/638219
[19:11] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 638219 in linux (Ubuntu) "Touchpad does not work on Sony Vaio VPCF12M1E (affects: 1) (heat: 1692)" [Undecided,New]
[19:11] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/636842
[19:11] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 636842 in linux (Ubuntu) "Touchpad not found on Sony Vaio VPCF12S1E (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[19:12] <Sarvatt> sorry for the spam
[19:12] <mjg59> Sarvatt: I think 641169 is different
[19:12] <Sarvatt> it is, kind of, we were working through that with him in #ubuntu-devel and he was hitting 2 bugs at once
[19:12] <Sarvatt> he needed the fix for that bug + i8042.nopnp to actually work
[19:13] <mjg59> Which one did you say had acpidump?
[19:13] <Sarvatt> oh shoot, getting my bugs mixed up
[19:14] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/641324
[19:14] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 641324 in linux (Ubuntu) "Sony Vaio touch pad is not working (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[19:14] <Sarvatt> let me ask these people for acpidumps :)
[19:15] <Sarvatt> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/55810189/vaio_bug.txt
[19:17] <mjg59> Interesting. That should definitely be picked up.
[19:18] <mjg59> There's a PNP0F13 device.
[19:18] <mjg59> But it's got an invalid _HID
[19:18] <mjg59> Maybe we're ignoring it in that case
[19:20] <mjg59> Sarvatt: My suspicion is that this is an issue in the acpipnp parser
[19:21] <mjg59> Sarvatt: Bet http://fpaste.org/NDs1/ will fix it
[19:21] <mjg59> Or, at least, will result in it crashing in some entertaining way
[19:21] <apw> clap4ham
[19:21] <Sarvatt> i'll try to condense these bugs and submit a bug to b.k.org
[19:22] <mjg59> apw: ...
[19:22] <Sarvatt> oh, nice
[19:22] <apw> heheh ...that poor password
[19:22] <apw> thats why i have a different screen saver password to anything useful :)
[19:22] <mjg59> Sarvatt: It certainly looks like we stop parsing acpipnp devices if there's an invalid HID, and this HID is certainly invalid
[19:22] <apw> done that twice this week already :)
[19:22] <cking> doh
[19:23] <mjg59> It's supposed to be three letters followed by four hex digits. Instead it's SNYALP0012
[19:23] <mjg59> Thony
[19:23] <apw> its only my screen lock password, thats why it has to be different
[19:36] <mjg59> Sarvatt: http://marc.info/?l=linux-acpi&m=127563868423035&w=2
[19:38] <Sarvatt> mjg59: \o/ thank you for looking at it and the heads up on that patch
[20:11]  * ogasawara lunch
[20:34] <jjohansen> -> lunch
[22:02] <robbiew> ogasawara: regarding the Kernel Freeze Exception, just cut and paste that email into the bug comment...that should be enough
[22:03] <ogasawara> robbiew: you're reading my mind, doing that right now
[22:03] <robbiew> ;)
[22:03] <robbiew> I figured I didn't need to say it, but didn't want you thinking we needed separate bugs for each bugfix or something nuts like that :)
[22:05] <ogasawara> robbiew: bug 641618
[22:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641618 in linux (Ubuntu) "Maverick Kernel Freeze Exception (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641618
[22:05] <ogasawara> robbiew: will respond with the bug# in email to keep everyone informed
[22:05] <robbiew> ogasawara: cool..thnx


[03:03] <superfly> Kilos: it's back up and running
[03:12] <superfly> Kilos: I also found your curry recipe: https://bin.snyman.info/cxvrh
[06:45] <Kilos> superfly  thank you very much
[06:45] <Kilos> well done. hope you all well


 welcome @kinder_rk
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 Ty 🙌🏿
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 hi have others groups for ubuntu in english?
 welcome @AnastielBR
 HELLO
 i use ubuntu in my dell in laptop ubuntu 18.04.4 lts
[03:40] <guiverc> What is your question @AnastielBR ?
[03:50] <valorie> @AnastielBR - this channel is for testing the next LTS, 20.04
[03:50] <valorie> are you here to help?
 I testing 20.04 in my laptop
[03:50] <valorie> cool!
[03:51] <valorie> how's it working for you so far?
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[06:03] <begonia> So this is a place where I can drop issues with Kubuntu Focal Fossa?
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> are you testing a QA iso begonia
[06:05] <begonia> Eh, I downloaded and installed the daily build yesterday. Just the daily build
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> here and #ubuntu+1 are the channels you can use
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 the group testing week was mentioned in yesterday's linux headlines - https://linuxheadlines.show/133
 @Eickmeyer ubuntu studio got a good shout out
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 @franksmcb @nickster101 @lipe66 @bashfulrobot anything from your camps on the announcement?
[15:52] <bluesabre> btw, switched to the IRC channel (but I'm still here)
 yep no need to be on both, when everything is shared :D
 @philipz Cool. I'm always surprised whenever anything from Jupiter Broadcasting even mentions Ubuntu Studio.
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 welcome @TiagoVercosa
 just finished earth hour at home
 Been slammed at work this week. I'll try to write something today. (re @philipz: @franksmcb @nickster101 @lipe66 @bashfulrobot anything from your camps on the announcement?)
 Ditto (but budgie). Haha. (re @Eickmeyer: @philipz Cool. I'm always surprised whenever anything from Jupiter Broadcasting even mentions Ubuntu Studio.)
 Hello. Thanks 👍🏽 (re @philipz: welcome @TiagoVercosa)
 well they used to mention Solus quite a bit before (re @bashfulrobot: Ditto (but budgie). Haha.)
 are you running any of the ubuntu flavors and are you here to help us with testing? (re @TiagoVercosa: Hello. Thanks 👍🏽)
 Feeling very pleased with myself. I pulled the code for TestDrive 3.28 from LP last night. Spent a few hours fixing bugs and updating things for VirtualBox. I now have a working version !!
 Just span Kubuntu 20.04 in it. I am happy boy 😃
 I’m testing on VM Ubuntu 20.04.
 Solus!= Ubuntu Budgie other than using the same DE. That's like saying fedora is the same as ubuntu because they both use gnome. 🤪😀 But I totally get what you are saying.   Ha ha (re @philipz: well they used to mention Solus quite a bit before)
 hope you pushed the patches upstream :D (re @Sick_Rimmit: Feeling very pleased with myself. I pulled the code for TestDrive 3.28 from LP last night. Spent a few hours fixing bugs and updating things for VirtualBox. I now have a working version !!)
 great. thanks. (re @TiagoVercosa: I’m testing on VM Ubuntu 20.04.)
 @philipz I am working on that now, just trying to find my way around bzr, it's been a while.
 @bashfulrobot @Eickmeyer would suggest you guys possibly join linux unplugged like popey and wimpy to get more exposure for your distros
 started learning bzr the other day to push patches for the test cases (re @Sick_Rimmit: @philipz I am working on that now, just trying to find my way around bzr, it's been a while.)
 definitely not as easy as git
 I used to be on all the time. Unfortunately it now conflicts with a team meeting. Clarifidogion. I am not complaining about anything. 👍 Ha. (re @philipz: @bashfulrobot @Eickmeyer would suggest you guys possibly join linux unplugged like popey and wimpy to get more exposure for your distros)
 I used to be on all the time. In fact, I'm one of the original producers. Left for various reasons. (re @philipz: @bashfulrobot @Eickmeyer would suggest you guys possibly join linux unplugged like popey and wimpy to get more exposure for your distros)
 @Eickmeyer Interesting as your name doesn't ring a bell as i've been a long time jupiter broadcasting listener from the days of when brian lunduke was on the linux action show. Do you produce any other podcasts now?
 @philipz I don't. I've been on one or two episode of the Linux Action Show back in 2014 and was on numerous episodes of Linux Unplugged until about 2015 and then became more sporadic.
 This would've all been post-Lunduke.
[19:37] <valorie> @Eickmeyer was a producer, I can affirm
[19:37] <valorie> :-)
[19:37] <valorie> since he actually came to my house to do an interview
[19:37] <valorie> such personal service!
 Alrighty - Here's the merge proposal that fixes TestDrive and enables launching distro's in VirtualBox.
 https://code.launchpad.net/~rick-timmis/testdrive/testdrive/+merge/381346
 @popeydc ^ Is Dustin Kirkland involved anymore?
 we got featured on fossbytes - https://fossbytes.com/ubuntu-flavors-to-join-ubuntu-testing-week/
 Very Nice
 really cool
 not sure though that we are asking devs to join the testing week :D
 In a perfect world, if TestDrive fixes could get merged, and hopefully the CI autobuilders would create a package update. It may be possible to have a working TestDrive ready for 02 April
[20:00] <valorie> ooo, fossbytes featured our tweet
[20:00] <valorie> cool
 @Sick_Rimmit here's hoping. i had watched a video that mentioned it was broken, but assumed it would have been fixed by then - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw7SrLUzW6U
 I am working on the fixes for KVM now, hopefully I'll have another merge request in a few hours
 @Sick_Rimmit I only hope someone sees your MPs and has the authority to pull them. I haven't seen any activity from the owner of TestDrive in a very long time.
[20:11] <valorie> can we write or call?
[20:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> valorie: I'm only hoping popey knows where kirkland is/if he's even active anymore.
[20:47] <valorie> ah
 no means to fork it?
 Sure it could be forked, but it would be better to just get it merged.
[20:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's also quite late in the release cycle for something to get forked/added.
 Indeed...
 would assume there could be a pass for broken apps that are being shipped
[21:00] <valorie> bugfixes are usually allowed
[21:01] <valorie> just talk with the release team
[21:01] <valorie> #ubuntu-release
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 @philipz So, to clarify what valorie said, There is a pass for broken apps that are being shipped, but not forks of said apps because that makes for entirely new packages.
[22:30] <valorie> which means getting the patches accepted is urgent
 Correct, which is why I tagged @popeydc in a hope to find Dustin Kirkland, since he might be the only person that can approve the MR and upload into the archive, which needs to be done ideally before Beta Freeze (Monday).
[22:36] <valorie> @Eickmeyer I think he's on twitter.....
 I'll see if I can get him that way.
 https://twitter.com/eickmeyer/status/1244032018754592768
 Hopefully he'll answer.
[22:43] <valorie> you have to put a . before the name or he won't
[22:43] <valorie> dunno why
 The . just makes it publicly tweeted.
[22:43] <valorie> ah, ok
[22:43] <valorie> well I gave it a <3
 The way I did it goes to him directly.
[22:43] <valorie> excellent
 Not a DM since he doesn't follow me, but it's the best I can do. It just doesn't make it a regular public tweet for me, and acts more like a reply.
[22:44] <valorie> perfect
 If it was possible to add me to the testdrive team, that could be a way forward my lp is rick-timmis. It seems we have about 5 other merged pending including a port to gtk3
 I'll keep hacking on it, some more tomorrow 😁


[05:05] <fccf> can we add !netbook to ubottu's database .... I'd like to see a link for that cause we have been getting alot of support req's for the netbook
[05:07] <fccf> !netbook is The Ubuntu Netbook Remix or UNR is a specially developed desktop for smaller laptops... For more information on UNR please see http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-netbook
[05:08] <fccf> !netbook
[05:18] <fccf> !unr
[05:18] <fccf> !unr is The Ubuntu Netbook Remix or UNR is a specially developed desktop for smaller laptops... For more information on UNR please see http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-netbook
[20:08] <niko> hi there
[20:36] <nalioth> w/ 8


[00:40] <kristian-aalborg> hello
[04:14] <baggar11> Hdale85: google for "modeline generator"
[16:04] <philobyte> have ubuntu 10.10, tuners work, (watching with mplayer), but mythtv always says ''tuner unavailable''  ... ideas?
[16:16] <gregL> philobyte, Did you do all 4 steps of the set up???
[16:21] <philobyte> which four steps?
[16:33] <philobyte> fwiw, I had a working config for years, but then did changed h/w (32->64bit), hasn't worked since...
[16:49] <gregL> philobyte, When you run Mythtv-setup..You define your cards,input connections,sources,etc.. You did that right?
[16:50] <philobyte> GregL: yes that is all done, settings were working with old mb/processor.
[16:50] <gregL> philobyte, Do you have a database from your old set up?
[16:50] <gregL> back-up that is..
[16:51] <philobyte> GregL:  I did a drop database, to restart fresh (after futzing around a lot) so everything is fresh now
[16:54] <gregL> If you had a back up,you could have just installed a back up and it would have been fine...I have migrated from 32 to 64 and it really made no difference here...I would look at permissions on the cards and post your Dmesg and back end logs here it may be someone can see the problem...
[16:55] <gregL> Use pastebin of course..
[16:57] <gregL> You might even even try posting to #mythtv-users also...There are more people in and out there that maybe able to help you..
[16:59] <philobyte> I had done that, and all the old stuff was there, fe spoke to be (on same machine) just fine, but the tuners were un-available.  my dmesg is pretty big, what part of it are you interested in?
[17:06] <philobyte> GregL:  posted the whole thing:   http://pastebin.com/MMPhnnCa
[17:06] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] root@alu:~# ls -al /dev/video* crw-rw----+ 1 root - Mythtv_dmesg+permissions
[17:07] <philobyte> oh no... did the mess get posted?  sorry about that...
[17:14] <gregL> philobyte, I don't see anything wrong in that file... Perhaps someone with more experience than I will show up and lend you a hand...
[17:15] <philobyte> GregL: thanks for having a look.
[17:15] <gregL> Does your backend log show any problem?
[17:18] <philobyte> GregL: nothing I can see, I restarted the backend and appended the log to the pastebin...
[17:24] <gregL> Do you have the capture cards set right vl4 or ivtv?  Sometimes people set the wrong card type..They choose vl4 when it should be IVTV,or vice versa..
[17:36] <philobyte> hw is hauppauge 500 ( 2x 150 on a card.) I picked... ivtv, and it shows up as MPEG... I don't get how the db works, I set stuff up under ...  It worked now... I used my own personal account to set it up... but then logged in as mythtv user, and the tuners were not there, so I added them, and they show up as tuner3 and 4 and available, while 1 and two are not.
[17:40] <gregL> yeah,thats the way it works..You would need to remove all cards and readd them and it usually will put them back to one and two... So it's working now?
[17:57] <philobyte> yeah, I get it now... I have to make sure I use only mythtv user when doing mythtv-setup, otherwise it goes wonky with no error messages...