[07:12] <jazzkutya> btw interesting alternative to vnc is teamviewer, a proprietary app that sells for money but afaik free for personal noncommercial use with it it is even possible (technically) to play games remotely on a windows machine. framerate is pretty unplayable but still surprisingly fast
[07:12] <BillyZane> maybe i could just load the apps i want to use on the thumb drive
[07:13] <SolarisBoy> yea i heard of a few people using teamviewer also seems pretty cool
[07:13] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : with VNC for a client ... you might look at TeamViewer ... http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx?pid=google.r.us.s.desk.vnc&gclid=CISgkczj5LQCFS-RPAodMlwA9g
[07:13] <BillyZane> if it can work with games, that's pretty impressive
[07:13] <SolarisBoy> or atleast am option
[07:13] <BillyZane> Tex_Nick, i'm checking it out. right now i use tightVNC
[07:13] <dfgmme> why can't i find a data usage app for ubuntu ?
[07:13] <jazzkutya> and teamviewer installation is not required
[07:13] <SolarisBoy> data usage app?
[07:13] <dfgmme> data usage monitor
[07:14] <BillyZane> can i ask 1 more question?
[07:14] <SolarisBoy> like a system monitor or data on drives?
[07:14] <BillyZane> i'll wait till dfgmme has his answered...
[07:14] <jazzkutya> meaning it can be started from anywhere (home directory), at least on windows, never tested it on linux without installation
[07:14] <skp1> can someone help me? when i select ubuntu from the grub menu i get a blank screen and i have to switch to tty1 and do startx, and when i do that i just get a wallpaper with no launcher or panel
[07:15] <dfgmme> data usage monitor means internet
[07:15] <doctorly> is there an easy way to write and test python in tty? (somethine like a python shell?)
[07:15] <SolarisBoy> dfgmme: really? new to me..
[07:15] <dfgmme> internet data usage monitor
[07:16] <jazzkutya> startx! never heard this since a lot of years :)
[07:16] <SolarisBoy> dfgmme: they have a few "data monitors" iftop is ok
[07:16] <SolarisBoy> depends on the data your interested in -
[07:16] <Tex_Nick> skp1 : what distro are you using
[07:16] <skp1> Tex_Nick: ubuntu 12.10
[07:17] <xibalba> hello, does anyone know if i can deploy the ubuntuCloud under vmware for testing? i wanted to follow this document : https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/ubuntucloud.html
[07:17] <SolarisBoy> in fact dfgmme if you open the dash and type "monitor" the default ubuntu install provides "System Monitor" which on the lower most portion has Network History with a graph of up/down by MiB/s
[07:18] <Tex_Nick> skp1 : what graphics are you using
[07:18] <skp1> Tex_Nick: amd radeon 6300
[07:19] <dfgmme> Solari i want the want to can record monthly data usage
[07:19] <BillyZane> hello
[07:19] <SolarisBoy> dfgmme: look into sar
[07:19] <BillyZane> you guys...... big big question...
[07:19] <Tex_Nick> skp1 : is this a new install ... or were you able to boot at one time
[07:19] <BillyZane> i got ubuntu on a virtualbox, i like it a lot. it's utopia
[07:20] <BillyZane> now i want it on its own partition so i can fully experience it
[07:20] <skp1> Tex_Nick: i was able to boot at one time
[07:20] <donttrustem> Mornings
[07:20] <BillyZane> i've been told i can have it on NTFS, i could have it on its own partition, or i could give it several partitions, such as root, home, swap, and possibly 1 more
[07:21] <BillyZane> what do i do
[07:21] <BillyZane> this is confusing me to death
[07:21] <BillyZane> i don't want 3 or 4 partitions for this OS, that's ridiculous
[07:21] <dgreeley> you can leave it in it's VM, no different than having it on its own really
[07:21] <BillyZane> i would prefer it all on one, why would i want more
[07:21] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: is there an existing OS on the system you want it installed on?
[07:22] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy, yes windows 7 is on C drive
[07:22] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: OK
[07:22] <dfgmme> why there isn't any standalone app that record data usage ? windows have tons of that
[07:22] <SolarisBoy> dfgmme: there are tons
[07:22] <nightfly> BillyZane: you can always put it on one partition, it wont care
[07:22] <SolarisBoy> dfgmme: sar is probably one of the most widely used on a linux system
[07:23] <fredduz> ciaoooooooooooooooo
[07:23] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: yea your best bet would be to run the ubuntu installer and allow it to resize the windows partition and install ubuntu to the new space on a one partition setup
[07:23] <BillyZane> i was told that i should have them separated because it makes it easier to update the OS
[07:23] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: along with what nightfly said, you'll most likely have two partitions. / (which is root) and /swap (which is like pagefile.sys on Windows). You'll only *use* the / partition though. the swap will be handled by the system.
[07:23] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: you should also ensure to backup your stuff first
[07:23] <dfgmme> i don't see sar on sfotware center
[07:24] <jazzkutya> BillyZane: you can forget the several partitions, except maybe the swap but even that can be solvable. I wouldn't put it on ntfs
[07:24] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy, there's nothing important on this computer, i have a second that has all my files on a network
[07:24] <Tex_Nick> !nomodeset | skp1
[07:24] <SolarisBoy> in that case acquire the boot media load it up and follow the prompts BillyZane
[07:24] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: That's only if you do clean installs for every upgrade. And in that case, you'd probably only want /home on a separate partition, as that's where your documents and stuff will be. (just my .02 worth).
[07:24] <BillyZane> jazzkutya, i have a gargantuan amount of hard disk space that i can dedicate to this effort. how much space should i give this partition such that no swap would be needed?
[07:25] <SolarisBoy> the default install will ask you clearly if you want to side by side install and then it will clearly allow you to choose the size you want windows reduced to - so it's not to hard and it's a good task for learning in your case
[07:25] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey, i think that is a valuable 2 cents
[07:25] <jazzkutya> BillyZane: no, that depends on the ammount of ram you have in your machine
[07:25] <donttrustem> I am using this syntax https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne/AO751h which worked when I used the e command in the grub menu.  I then added it to the  /etc/default/grub and updated but  it does not work I still get a black screen. At bootup.   I have check the config  using the e command and it  has been added but will not. Work?
[07:25] <BillyZane> i have 16gb of ram
[07:25] <BillyZane> which i plan to upgrade to 32
[07:25] <dfgmme> i can't find one ...........................................................
[07:25] <dfgmme> for weeeeeks
[07:25] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: swap is depending on memory. In that case, you probably don't need swap. Unless you're running a crapload of memory intensive applications.
[07:25] <SolarisBoy> dfgmme: sar is one
[07:26] <skp1> Tex_Nick: i edited /etc/default/grub
[07:26] <jazzkutya> BillyZane: you don't need a different swap partition. anyway linux can use a file as swap also if needed later
[07:26] <SolarisBoy> swap used to be dependant on memory like 2x or something but it would be ridiculous to have a 64GB swap file because you had 32GB nowadays
[07:26] <SolarisBoy> jazzkutya: right on
[07:27] <Syria> Hello! I want to search for the location of the virtual machine file using the terminal !
[07:27] <BillyZane> jazzkutya, so can i have the swap file in the /home folder?
[07:27] <dfgmme> solarisboy i can't find it on the software center
[07:27] <SolarisBoy> Syria: what are you using for virtualization?
[07:27]  * donttrustem is struggling to get this working .... And it's the wife netbook :(
[07:28] <PatrickDickey> Syria, do you know the name of the virtual machine? If so, you can try sudo updatedb && locate <name> This is assuming of course, that you're looking for the actual file on a physical hard drive.
[07:28] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: i can resize C drive? can i make it larger? and also, can i remove the NTFS partition i have on my second partition?
[07:28] <jazzkutya> btw how does ubuntu resize the windows partition when around mid-last year the then-latest ntfs-3d choked on an ntfs for me that had no errors according to windows checkdisk?
[07:28] <subcool> hey- how do i resize NTFS with gparted?
[07:29] <subcool> i installed gparted, im supposed to also install something else right?
[07:29] <Syria> PatrickDickey:  yes i know the name of it and the problem has been solved :) I have used sudo find / -name 'name of the machine'
[07:29] <subcool> i cant find a guide that says it-.
[07:29] <jazzkutya> BillyZane: you can have the swap file anywhere, but i think you won't need any at all with 16/32g ram
[07:29] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: what i want to do is add more space to C drive and then canibalize space that I have on my second partition. however, will this effect the data that is on C drive?
[07:29] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: from the standard installer no but from possibly the alternative or using a gparted CD first to do the heavy stuff and then allowing the ubuntu installer to pick up the partitions/disks
[07:29] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: not sure about NTFS drives like that - =)
[07:29] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: you might want to resize the partition in Windows. Just to be safe.
[07:29] <dfgmme> sad...........................................
[07:29] <BillyZane> jazzkutya: i was planning on eventually running molecular dynamics applications though, so it might end up needing it
[07:30] <SolarisBoy> dfgmme: patience is a virtue
[07:30] <Syria> PatrickDickey:  Thank you.
[07:30] <PatrickDickey> No problem Syria. Glad I was able to help. :)
[07:30] <PatrickDickey> And glad you were able to get the name.
[07:30] <jazzkutya> well then right after installing you should make a 32gigs swapfile, I'd recomment at the root directory
[07:31] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy, i agree, patience is undervalued
[07:31] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy, so if i use gparted from perhaps a USB drive, i can resize C drive?
[07:31] <skp1> can someone help me? when i select ubuntu from the grub menu i get a blank screen and i have to switch to tty1 and do startx, and when i do that i just get a wallpaper with no launcher or panel
[07:31] <BillyZane> without damaging the files on C drive that is
[07:31] <SolarisBoy> dfgmme: the sar utility is part of the "sysstat" package if you were interested in using it
[07:31] <jazzkutya> dd if=/dev/null of=/swapfile bs=1024k count=32768
[07:31] <BillyZane> jazzkutya: ok, so i place it on the root directory, and if i do that, can i enlarge the size of the swapfile later?
[07:32] <jazzkutya> yes
[07:32] <nightfly> BillyZane: Some modern Windows will let you resize the C drive from the "disk management" utility directly
[07:32] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: you put all of that as one line in /etc/default/grub, correct?
[07:32] <jazzkutya> i said right after installation only because it may help if the swapfile is not fragmented
[07:32] <SolarisBoy> dfgmme after your done installing it - take a look at the /etc/default/sysstat and the retentions for data and what type of extra data you can enable
[07:32] <BillyZane> nightfly, good thinking, let me see if i can do that
[07:32] <jazzkutya> but now I'm not sure
[07:32] <BlackDalek> Are there any Q*bert clones for linux? Can anyone give me a name of one so I can look for it?
[07:32] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Yeah
[07:32] <PatrickDickey> skp1: out of curiosity what graphics card do you have?
[07:33] <jazzkutya> any file will work as swap whenever you created, just creating it later _may_ decrease performance
[07:33] <BillyZane> holy crap
[07:33] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: can you copy/paste the /etc/default/grub into a pastebin by chance? Just so we can make sure it's right?
[07:33] <subcool> anyone- please?
[07:33] <BillyZane> nightfly, you're right, i can shrink the volume, but i suppose i could expand the volume also if there was a partition that allowed that, all i gotta do is shrink the second volume then expand the other one
[07:34] <PatrickDickey> One moment subcool. I'm not sure if you can resize it with gparted or not. I'll check.
[07:34] <dfgmme> so it's not a gui app ?
[07:34] <dfgmme> sadddddddddddddddd
[07:34] <subcool> PatrickDickey, i thought i could install a ntfs add on or something
[07:34] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: I am have just dropped into root mode and vi the file and it is correct ..  Cant paste it as the netbook does boot in to  a state where I can use it
[07:34] <Ben64> gparted can resize ntfs
[07:34] <subcool> im on a liveusb - so i dont remember.
[07:35] <BillyZane> hmmm
[07:35] <subcool> Ben64,  i have an explanation point on the parittion. I know i have to install something.. but i forget
[07:35] <SolarisBoy> is the liveusb plugged into the netbook?
[07:35] <subcool> some ntfs thing
[07:35] <subcool> nah laptop
[07:35] <Ben64> subcool: maybe its mounted?
[07:35] <BillyZane> nightfly, i just shrink the D drive's volume, but i can't expand C drive, i think i might have to do it in safe mode or something
[07:35] <SolarisBoy> ok
[07:35] <subcool> Ben64, nah..
[07:35] <Tex_Nick> skp1 : sorry i'm working kinda late ... have a look at this & se if it is similar to what you are experiencing
[07:35] <Tex_Nick> skp1 : sorry, here is link ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/207175/what-does-nomodeset-do
[07:36] <PatrickDickey> subcool this might help you http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/using-gparted-to-resize-your-windows-vista-partition/
[07:36] <Ben64> subcool: then find out what the exclamation is for, it will tell you.
[07:37] <subcool> Ben64, ah- ops. i thought it was because i didnt isntall sometihng. There is a disk error.
[07:37] <BillyZane> nightfly, i think i know how to do it, i gotta delete D drive
[07:37] <subcool> Stupid me- thanks.
[07:38] <subcool> ill be back. .i have to reboot this thing.
[07:38] <subcool> thanks!!
[07:38] <BillyZane> which is fine cause D drive is empty
[07:38] <jazzkutya> an empty drive is a  happy drive lol
[07:38] <BillyZane> hehe
[07:38] <f03lipe> d
[07:38] <BillyZane> ok, so... i'm expanding C drive
[07:39] <BillyZane> for this ubuntu install, should I keep the space that has no file system the way it is
[07:39] <BillyZane> like... i'll have C drive, then the second drive will not exist
[07:39] <BillyZane> that is, it won't have a file system
[07:39] <jazzkutya> yes
[07:39] <BillyZane> then, when i go in to ubuntu installer, i create 2 partitions
[07:39] <BillyZane> a root partition and a home partition
[07:40] <jazzkutya> ubuntu will create a new partition for itself
[07:40] <dfgmme> solari , awesome IT DOESN'T WORK
[07:40] <BillyZane> you said i should put the swap file in the root partition right
[07:40] <dfgmme> JUST LIKE ALL OTHER SUGGESTIN NOTHING EVER WORK
[07:40] <jazzkutya> BillyZane: wait, why 2 partition? you said you don't want lots of partitions :)
[07:40] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Strange I ran update-grub in recovery mode and it has worked
[07:40] <Ben64> dfgmme: chillax?
[07:40] <dfgmme> damn it is hard man
[07:40] <bazhang> dfgmme, lose caps now
[07:40] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: So now it's booting correctly?
[07:40] <dfgmme> bazhang pls go away i hate you
[07:41] <bazhang> dfgmme, stay on topic here.
[07:41] <BillyZane> jazzkutya, i didn't, but i also would like the most up to date version of ubuntu. a clean install is something i always did when i installed windows and i feel i shouldn't stop what works now
[07:41] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Just testing again
[07:41] <SolarisBoy> how does sysstat not work?
[07:41] <PatrickDickey> dfgmme: could you refresh my memory, what's the issue that you're having exactly?
[07:41] <donttrustem> It has booted ok but doing a restart
[07:41]  * SolarisBoy doesn't believe that for 1 second
[07:41] <bazhang> he wants to monitor data usage
[07:41] <SolarisBoy> yes
[07:41] <malkauns> in xpra how do i specify an ssh port?
[07:42] <jazzkutya> BillyZane: i don't understand. I've asked why will you create 2 linux partitions, root and home?
[07:42] <SolarisBoy> well "monitoring data usage" is rather general
[07:42] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: then I'd "do something else" when you go into the installer. Create a partition and format it ext4 and mount it as /. then create a second partition with the same format, and mount it as /home.
[07:42] <BillyZane> jazzkutya, i was told earlier that if you want to do a clean install, a la formatting, it's good to have 2 partitions
[07:42] <Ben64> from sysstat's web page - Extensive network statistics: network interface activity (number of packets and kB received and transmitted per second, etc.) including failures from network devices; network traffic statistics for IP, TCP, ICMP and UDP protocols based on SNMPv2 standards; support for IPv6-related protocols.
[07:42] <bazhang> as is "don't work"
[07:42] <mangdood> Hi, I want to backup my ubuntu partition to try another distro. What's the preferred way for doing this?
[07:43] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey, mount it as / ? by that is it / drive?
[07:43] <jazzkutya> BillyZane: how much space will you give to linux total?
[07:43] <PatrickDickey> dfgmme: What data usage do you want to monitor?
[07:43] <BillyZane> jazzkutya, that is to be decided but as much as it requires
[07:43] <SolarisBoy> bazhang: good point
[07:43] <BillyZane> jazzkutya, up to 400 gb
[07:43] <PatrickDickey> Yes. It will ask you for a "mount point". the first one will be / (as in root), the second will be /home.
[07:43] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Nope still not working... Still get a black screen
[07:43] <SolarisBoy> i'd just like to say i did mention for him to check /etc/default/sysstat im sure he still has ENABLED="false" and such
[07:44] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: try removing the changes that you made in /etc/default/grub, running update-grub again. Then put them back in the command line (using e). See if it boots that way.
[07:44] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey, how will these drives show up on "my computer" (sorry i am very new)
[07:44] <XMLnewbi> whats the best way to copy paste into a ubuntu server on VMware? On ssh putty id use right click but thats not working, ctr v doesnt work either
[07:44] <dfgmme> PatrickDickey , i want a gui app for internet data usage monitor that i can check my monthly data usage
[07:44] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Ok
[07:45] <BillyZane> hmm.. starting to get hungry
[07:45] <mangdood> XMLnewbi: Maybe middle click works?
[07:45] <Nordom> can someone help me out, just installed ubuntu, and it worked fine used skype, and now I dont have sound anymore
[07:45] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: From linux, /home/username will show up as your username. / will show up as File System, and /home will be a subdirectory below that.
[07:46] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey, i think that is a good way to do it. / and /home partitions it is.
[07:46] <skp1> Tex_Nick: thank you for your help, i managed to fix it with a sudo update-grub
[07:46] <skp1> Tex_Nick: even though i got some graphic corruption on my first login i logged out and back in and everything was fine
[07:47] <PatrickDickey> dfgmme: http://www.iloveubuntu.net/easily-monitor-your-data-download-monitor-ubuntu-software-center might be an idea?
[07:47] <SolarisBoy> dfgmme: im guessing ksar isn't up your alley?
[07:47] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Can I use vim from the shell as root
[07:47] <Tex_Nick> skp1 : lol ... how easy could that be ... hey ^5 ;-)
[07:47] <SolarisBoy> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/identifying-linux-bottlenecks-sar-graphs-with-ksar.html | you run the app and load the sar files and it makes graphs
[07:48] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: I think so. I'm not sure though.
[07:48] <jazzkutya> donttrustem: you can but being root is officially not recommended (i do it anyway)
[07:48] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: Actually I'm pretty sure you can, otherwise you wouldn't be able to fix things. ;)
[07:48] <skp1> Tex_Nick: danke
[07:48] <PatrickDickey> Nordom: When you go into Sound Settings, and test your speakers, do you hear any sounds?
[07:49] <donttrustem> jazzkutya: I am trying to fix a boot loader issue so I need to be in recovery mode
[07:49] <BillyZane> open question. how big should / drive be and how big should /home drive be. swap size: 16gb ram with the possibility of a 32gb total ram in the future
[07:49] <Nordom> PatrickDickey: I am getting 0 sounds
[07:49] <PatrickDickey> Nordom: Does your sound card show up in sound settings?
[07:49] <mangdood> Skype can do some pretty weird things to your sound
[07:49] <Nordom> wait I managed to do it
[07:50] <jazzkutya> donttrustem: oic, full right to be root then :) i guess probably will work but i am not sure as a recovery mode may miss something needed by vim
[07:50] <BillyZane> jazzkutya, i can live with 2 partitions if it means i can do clean installs, i think if i make the /home partition large enough, i won't have to worry about needing additional partitions
[07:50] <Nordom> PatrickDickey: I clicked analog output from the sound settings
[07:50] <Nordom> geting sounds now
[07:50] <PatrickDickey> Did you change that in the Skype settings, by chance?
[07:50] <dfgmme> PatrickDickey .............. can't find download manager in software center ................
[07:50] <dfgmme> soad
[07:50] <dfgmme> sad
[07:50] <donttrustem> jazzkutya: It is I need to use vi :( and cannot remember the commands
[07:50] <Nordom> PatrickDickey: it works, but its a little choppy
[07:50] <jazzkutya> BillyZane: okay do as others suggested i think they know this better than me
[07:51] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: / doesn't have to be large but you should keep in mind that space will be used there as you update/upgrade and install new things - i create VM's with 10GB hdd's which ubuntu installs fine on - however thats probably smaller than you would want to run a system comfortably
[07:51] <BillyZane> jazz, for sure
[07:51] <PatrickDickey> dfgmme: Download monitor?
[07:51] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: i might be interested in running a windows7 virtualbox in the future. flipping my current configuration
[07:52] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: /home can be as big you'd like - however remember here that a lot of programs are going to put files under your home folder - and that by default this is where things like your music and movies etc go - so you would want to make sure that's big enough to keep all your stuff
[07:52] <jazzkutya> donttrustem: do you  mean vi commands? what command do you need?
[07:52] <dfgmme> the app name is download manager right
[07:52] <donttrustem> jazzkutya: Yeah
[07:52] <PatrickDickey> dfgmme: Download Monitor
[07:52] <donttrustem> Need to insert and save
[07:52] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: you can make a 2GB swap file and see how that works for you -with that much memory i dought you'll be hitting swap unless your running production databases from your system
[07:52] <blueoil22> hi
[07:52] <jazzkutya> press i for insert mode
[07:52] <jazzkutya> press esc to go out of insert mode
[07:52] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: thats how i run windows =)
[07:52] <jazzkutya> save is :w outside of insert mode
[07:53] <donttrustem> But using a UK keyboard ..
[07:53] <jazzkutya> save and quit is :wq outside of insert mode
[07:53] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: nice :), i still need a crutch though
[07:53] <PatrickDickey> dfgmme: apt://download-monitor might get you there (not sure if the chat client will make it a clickable link
[07:53] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: i don't think i can ditch windows that fast
[07:53] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: understandable i guess
[07:53] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: in due time, i can remove the training wheels
[07:53] <donttrustem> It says changing a read only file LOL ....how can this be when I am in root
[07:54] <x[i]b> anyone know how would i setup bind/named to run it's DNS requests through TOR?
[07:54] <SolarisBoy> donttrustem: vim says that when you have the file open elsewhere also
[07:54] <SolarisBoy> donttrustem: or if it shutdown uncleanly and left a .swp file
[07:54]  * PatrickDickey is about 98% Windows free. I still have it, and use it occasionally, but not much. And only because the computer I bought had it installed. I added my drives to the computer.
[07:54] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: 2 gig swap file, 10 gigs for a windows virtualbox <-- seems kinda small tbh
[07:54] <tasslehoff> Is ecryptfs the way to go if I want to encrypt a single folder?
[07:54] <SolarisBoy> windows and linux are 2 different beasts
[07:55] <jazzkutya> donttrustem: it is possible that the root filesystem is mounted read-only
[07:55] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy, i have 16gigs of ram, by having a 2 gig swap file, does that mean i won't be using it so it can remain small?
[07:55] <jazzkutya> donttrustem: did you get the recovery shell because of an fsck error?
[07:56] <donttrustem> This is driving me crazy.  No I used the install cd and recovery mode
[07:56] <BlackDalek> Is the linux game tome site permanently down now?
[07:56] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: the relation of swap to memory needs to be rethought the 2x - 2.5x size of memory idealogy should be thrown out - with modern systems you dont need that much swap unless ofcourse some application specifically looks for that -
[07:56] <BillyZane> by the way, i appreciate all the help everyone has been giving me. i've learned a lot the last 2 few days
[07:56] <donttrustem> Selected from the grub menu
[07:56] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: 2GB is fine with 16GB of memory
[07:56] <jazzkutya> donttrustem: well i think i know what's going on
[07:56] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy, can swap files be enlarged in the future?
[07:56] <donttrustem> jazzkutya: Tell me
[07:57] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: it depends on how you make them
[07:57] <BillyZane> hmm.. what does it depend on?
[07:57] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: if the swap file is on LVM yes - if not no - but you can add more swap files easily and swapon
[07:57] <jazzkutya> donttrustem: you are not editing the file you wanted to edit. you are editing the recovery system's version of the file. you have to mount your root filesystem manually, edit there then don't forget to unmount before rebooting
[07:57] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy, what's an LVM?
[07:57] <jazzkutya> plase someone tell if I'm wrong
[07:58] <aeon-ltd> SolarisBoy: It's still there because a lot of people thought of linux as a migration OS when windows just wasn't cutting it anymore. back then high end was anything over 1gb of ram.
[07:58] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : i salute you ^5 ... looks to me like you've come a long way just tonight ;-)
[07:58] <PatrickDickey> jazzkutya: You're pretty close. It's because the filesystem is mounted read-only. But everything else you said is right.
[07:58] <BillyZane> Tex_Nick: thank you, i compiled and ran hello world! LOL
[07:58] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: it stands for logical volume manager - it's pretty cool if your into learning you should check it out
[07:58] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: LVM (Logical Volume Manager) is a way of managing your partitions.
[07:59] <donttrustem> jazzkutya: Do you think the lastest version has fixed this boot problem
[07:59] <dfgmme> Unable to locate package download-monitor
[07:59] <dfgmme> so sad
[07:59] <jazzkutya> PatrickDickey: he is using the install cd's recovery mode. does that mount the installed filesystem?
[07:59] <XMLnewbi> man still cant figure out how to copy and paste into vmware
[07:59] <Ben64> dfgmme: you don't need to announce how sad you are
[07:59] <BillyZane> ahh... i'll do a little background reading real fast, brb
[07:59] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: it's virtualized storage - allowing you to expand it on a physical level (adding disks to expand size) and also on the software level by expanding the FS to the extents of the logical volume live while things are running
[07:59] <dfgmme> why it is so damn hard to even install one simple app ?
[07:59] <PatrickDickey> jazzkutya: nope. I missed that part.
[07:59] <aeon-ltd> XMLnewbi: i think you need guest additions to sync clipboards
[08:00] <SolarisBoy> dfgmme: maybe because you can't describe properly what your looking for
[08:00] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : that's the first step to c and your learned knowledge for connecting to a ubuntu box remotely is impressive also :)
[08:00] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: i was hearing about that the other day
[08:00] <dfgmme> it can't be installed
[08:00] <Ben64> can't be installed or can't find?
[08:00] <PatrickDickey> dfgmme: are you on 12.04 or 12.10?
[08:00] <dfgmme> the app seems non existen
[08:00] <dfgmme> 11
[08:00] <BillyZane> Tex_Nick, thank you, i am a huge n00b though. but i'm learning as fast as i can. i have the drive, the patience, i just don't want to wear out the people in here, but so far, they can match me and handle 10 times more
[08:01] <BillyZane> i am very grateful for everyone's help by the way
[08:01] <Ben64> dfgmme: what does "lsb_release -r" say
[08:01] <BillyZane> i wish i could return the favor
[08:01] <BillyZane> anyone here need help with math? that's about all i'm good at
[08:01] <SolarisBoy> lol
[08:01] <Ben64> BillyZane: in a while you will be a pro
[08:02] <SolarisBoy> +1
[08:02] <SolarisBoy> i agree with an attitude like that you don't have long at all
[08:02] <BillyZane> i hope to be able to schedule programs on a batch TORQUE scheduler on my school's cluster by the end of this coming semester, at least that's the goal
[08:02] <jazzkutya> donttrustem: sorry I've only dealt with the problem of you can't save in vim in recovery mode, I don't know about your original problem
[08:03] <SolarisBoy> ahh ro fs in recovery mode mount -o remount,rw
[08:03] <BillyZane> i need to install torque!
[08:03] <SolarisBoy> im guessing there was no swp file there
[08:03] <PatrickDickey> dfgmme: It's not a part of the ubuntu repositories. Here's more information on how to install it http://www.ubuntugeek.com/download-monitor-monitors-the-amount-of-data-uploaded-and-downloaded-over-a-network.html
[08:04] <Ben64> PatrickDickey: its part of my repositories
[08:04] <dfgmme> i give up
[08:04] <evilbug> anyone know if ubuntu for android will be available for download from the site?
[08:04] <SolarisBoy> sar does exactly that and you have it installed ...
[08:04]  * SolarisBoy just saying
[08:04] <Ben64> SolarisBoy: he's gone
[08:04] <SolarisBoy> oh i block those - my bad lol
[08:04] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Man this is so inconsistent.  It has loaded ok now without me changing anything
[08:04] <PatrickDickey> evilbug: i'm guessing it's only going to be available if you're a manufacturer. But, I don't know.
[08:05] <BillyZane> brb, i'm going to read up on LVM online
[08:05] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: that's without the recovery cd in the drive?
[08:05] <evilbug> PatrickDickey: yeah, that's what i thought. unfortunate, it looks way cool and i can't wait to try it on my s2.
[08:05] <donttrustem> It has the dvd in but I just let it load normally
[08:06] <PatrickDickey> evilbug: It's not expected out until later this year. So you never know.
[08:06] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: try taking the dvd out, just to be sure.
[08:06] <evilbug> PatrickDickey: i knoooow but i can't wait! :)
[08:06] <donttrustem> I am just going to install an irc clieny on the latop so I can past what I have
[08:06] <evilbug> PatrickDickey: actually i haven't been this excited about an os since mac os 10.6 was released.
[08:06] <subcool> hey- im back.
[08:07] <subcool> k- that didnt really work
[08:07] <PatrickDickey> wb subcool.
[08:07] <jazzkutya> BillyZane: tranfer all you knowledge about the nabla operator and vector spaces telepathically to me, please :)
[08:07] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Any idea what one to install
[08:07] <PatrickDickey> subcool: what error is it showing now?
[08:07] <subcool> um.. according to gparted, i have a error with clusters. i ran chkdsk on windows... atleast i told it to.. i dont think it did
[08:07] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: I use quassel, but xchat is alright too.
[08:07] <subcool> can i do a chkdisk from ubuntu?
[08:08] <subcool> PatrickDickey, its the same error from before..
[08:08] <PatrickDickey> subcool: fsck is checkdisk for linux.
[08:08] <BillyZane> jazzkutya: i'm pretty good with vector spaces, but i kinda suck at nabla. i should have studied that more
[08:09] <BillyZane> regarding nabla, do you mean dot products, cross products, gradients?
[08:09] <PatrickDickey> evilbug: I know the feeling. Of course my phone is so old, it was obsolete before I bought it. It's running Android 2.3.5.
[08:09] <evilbug> PatrickDickey: i'm still runnign that on my s2.
[08:09] <subcool> fsck: fsck.ntfs: not found
[08:10] <subcool> PatrickDickey,
[08:10] <PatrickDickey> Which S2 do you have evilbug?
[08:10] <evilbug> PatrickDickey: gingerbread is so stable and efficient.
[08:10] <evilbug> PatrickDickey: sprint epic 4g touch.
[08:10] <PatrickDickey> Ahh ok.
[08:10] <Ben64> subcool: you should run chkdsk twice on windows
[08:10] <BlackDalek> are there any Q*bert clones for ubuntu/linux?
[08:11] <subcool> Ben64, i've tried
[08:11] <subcool> Ben64, it says it will do it on reboot- but i dont see it do shit
[08:11] <weby> and today
[08:11] <``q> subcool: apt-get install ntfsprogs      see http://askubuntu.com/questions/86086/fsck-cant-find-fsck-ntfs
[08:11] <weby> is the day
[08:11] <weby> weby became a father
[08:11] <Guest3960> hey I have tryed installing the nvidia accelerated graphics driver in jockey and when I reboot I get blank screen I have a GTX660ti
[08:11] <subcool> i already have it
[08:12] <Guest3960> please help
[08:12] <subcool> ``q, i already have it
[08:12] <evilbug> PatrickDickey: at least the official sprint android 4.0 release has been utter sht. uses battery like crazy, overheats for no reason, etc.
[08:12] <Ben64> subcool: but you have to do it in windows
[08:12] <subcool> Ben64, it errors and tells me it will do it upon reboot
[08:12] <we6jbo> Anyone know about extending battery life on a netbook?
[08:12] <``q> and what kind of errors?
[08:13] <Ben64> or from a windows boot cd, but linux stuff isn't as good for fixing ntfs
[08:13] <PatrickDickey> subcool: when you reboot, does it boot into Windows or linux?
[08:13] <Guest3960> hello please help
[08:13] <subcool> PatrickDickey, windows
[08:13] <evilbug> PatrickDickey: i love how the keynote for ubuntu phone is so apple :)
[08:13] <subcool> sck: Error 2 while executing fsck.ntfs for /dev/sda2
[08:14] <Guest3960> hey I have tryed installing the nvidia accelerated graphics driver in jockey and when I reboot I get blank screen I have a GTX660ti
[08:14] <subcool> im going to movem y chat to another computer..
[08:14] <Guest3960> come on I need help please!
[08:15] <subcool> ATI boy here ;)
[08:15] <subcool_> k- im here
[08:15] <subcool_> um
[08:15] <``q> subcool: ntfsfix is not linked by default to fsck.ntfs, and it only provides limited check capabilities, as explained in the man page:
[08:15] <PatrickDickey> Guest3960: I'm trying to remember what others have said in reference to nvidia issues.
[08:15] <``q> please check the URL i gave ya, and assign the proper symlinks
[08:16] <Guest3960> yeah
[08:16] <subcool_> ``q, can u give it to me again.
[08:16] <subcool_> im on a different computer
[08:16] <``q> subcool: apt-get install ntfsprogs      see http://askubuntu.com/questions/86086/fsck-cant-find-fsck-ntfs
[08:16] <Guest3960> I have had this issue multiple times and have failed to correctly install the nvidia driver
[08:16] <``q> read the part which is marked green
[08:17] <PatrickDickey> Guest3960: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia might get you a good start.
[08:17] <Guest3960> If you look under hear Screen Blanks/Monitor Turns Off
[08:18] <phax> Hi guys, how do I reset the keyring password for an account from the console I am on 12.10 version..I used unlock and reset the password from a different user's X session which has admin but I can still not login to the account with the paswwort from X..I can login form console for that account
[08:18] <Guest3960> Ok I will give this a try
[08:20] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: Ok .... installed
[08:20] <asilhouette> hi everyone, can someone recommend me a real time wireless network signal and quality monitor app for 12.10. rutilT used to work, but now it doesn't
[08:20] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: now I need to past the config in pastebin
[08:21] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: if it's booting correctly, you probably don't. But, if you still need help with it, then yes.
[08:21] <subcool_> ``q, well that helped.. but- didnt. i ran fsk and same error
[08:22] <subcool_> imma reboot into windows again. :/
[08:22] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: http://pastebin.com/a9YeJ49G
[08:24] <subcool_> finally got an error during boot- some new softweare is preventing a chkdisk from running
[08:24] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: did you copy and paste it directly from the webpage to the /etc/default/grub?
[08:24] <subcool_> too funny
[08:25] <PatrickDickey> does it say what software subcool_?
[08:25] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, nah- only to do a system restore
[08:26] <PatrickDickey> That would be your best bet, if you haven't done it already.
[08:26] <PatrickDickey> Once you get it working, what do you want to do?
[08:26] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: NO  i typed manually
[08:27] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: try copy and paste, if you can. Just to see if that fixes the problem. I'm thinking it might be something simple like the ""'s.
[08:27] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, im tryhing to resize it so i can install win8
[08:27] <subcool_> win7 is hosed... malware- etc. so im just installing a fresh copy of win8 for my girl. but ugh. what a mess
[08:27] <subcool_> there is no restoring this mess
[08:27] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: but the strange thing is it works sometimes
[08:28] <PatrickDickey> subcool_: is it a dual-boot?
[08:28] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, not yet
[08:28] <``q> subcool_: if gparted doesn't do the trick, try some proprietary software  e.g.  partition magic  etc
[08:28] <PatrickDickey> Why do you want to keep Windows 7, if it's hosed?
[08:28] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: hello
[08:28] <``q> sometimes it outperforms the error rate of opensource filesystem apps
[08:28] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: I'm not sure what to tell you then. :S
[08:28] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, system settings and shit..
[08:28] <berderquentin> Hi, I have a question. I want an app to auto launch (XBMC) with various other (Transmission), it is working, as I have it in the Sartup Applications list. But it is not "focus". Is there any command I can add to the launch command to have it on top of everything in fullscreen.
[08:29] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: hey
[08:29] <``q> or what was it called,  disk director  (see hiren boot cd e.g. ?)
[08:29] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy, i was reading up on LVM online
[08:29] <PatrickDickey> subcool_: Easy Transfer, and then reinstall Windows 7. Resize the partition at that point.
[08:29] <subcool_> easy transfer?
[08:29] <BillyZane> solarisboy: so... it's incredibly awesome, but how would i use it in practice? would it control 1 partion on a drive or the entire physical hard drive?
[08:30] <PatrickDickey> It should be an option in All PRograms Accessories somewhere. Easy Transfer Wizard, or something like that.
[08:30] <BillyZane> partition
[08:30] <PatrickDickey> Transfer the data to another drive, and then reinstall.
[08:30] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, yea- i told her to do that
[08:30] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: it can control partitions or drives it starts by marking a drive or partition as a physical volume
[08:31] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, at this point i might just do just that- Format fresh. She was prepared for it- but.. :/ you always forget something.
[08:31] <subcool_> ya knokw?
[08:31] <PatrickDickey> subcool_: So, ultimately you're going to have Windows 7 on one partition, and Windows 8 on another, right?
[08:31] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: i see, so i can have my C drive as an NTFS partition, then i can great a "linux" LVM partition that would have sub partitions within that partition. these sub partitions would be / and /home , is this correct or no?
[08:31] <SolarisBoy> once thats done you add physical volumes to volume groups which are like virtual disks made from many physical disks - finally you create a logical volume on top of the volume groups - and make a filesystem on that
[08:31] <PatrickDickey> subcool_:  that's why I'm saying use the Easy Transfer wizard. It gets all of the documents and stuff.
[08:31] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: yes but in your case you wouldn't benefit any from that
[08:32] <SolarisBoy> it would be better to have multiple drives or expect to have multiple drives with lvm
[08:32] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, if i end up formatting it- it will only be win8
[08:32] <SolarisBoy> additionally you'll need a standard partition available for /boot
[08:32] <xmlnewbi> what the dir for ubuntu server to view a disk drive?
[08:32] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, im just dualbooting it so she has access to everything until she is happy
[08:33] <PatrickDickey> subcool_: I'm not sure about this, but it could be used to bring all of her stuff over to Win 8 also.
[08:33] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, but i just cant seem to get past this disk error shit.
[08:33] <PatrickDickey> subcool_: try the system restore.
[08:33] <SolarisBoy> so if your looking to dual boot just use simple partitioning but if you ever get a system running only linux you may want to play around with it BillyZane
[08:33] <subcool_> i could just "upgrade" it - but like linxu, that never works out weel
[08:33] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: I get this now when trying to update grub /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 11: /etc/default/grub: splash: not found
[08:33] <donttrustem_> susan@susan-ubuntu:~$
[08:33] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: so say i have windows on C drive, i can have 2 partitions, a / and a /home partition. each of these partitions would each have LVM on them, then on top of that ext3/4 would be installed on them.
[08:33] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, nah. she doesnt have a safe restore point
[08:33] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: you wouldn't want to do that
[08:33] <subcool_> i need to somehow force a chck disk
[08:34] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy, so maybe i shouldn't use LVM then?
[08:34] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: did you do the splash portion on the webpage? if so, I'd undo that.
[08:34] <subcool_> i just dont get why linux wont do it properly
[08:34] <``q> subcool_:  chkdsk /f
[08:34] <subcool_> ``q,  ya- its sets up for a reboot scan
[08:34] <subcool_> then complains about some stupid software being in the way
[08:34] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: i don't mind using a simple partition
[08:34] <subcool_> it has to have a virus
[08:34] <SolarisBoy> in your case with wanting to keep another OS and mix FS types - no
[08:34] <Tex_Nick> subcool_ ; KINDA TRY TO KEEP YOUR LANGUAGE FAMILY FRIENDLY ;-)
[08:35] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: I'd just do a straight partitioning. Keep it simple, I always say. ;)
[08:35] <Tex_Nick> SORRY FOR CAPS :(
[08:35] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: what spalsh portion?
[08:35] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: in your case just resize the C drive and allow ubuntu to install on the new space all on one new partition
[08:35] <PatrickDickey> subcool_: do you have a Windows 7 installation disk?
[08:35] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: I am running 12.04
[08:35] <Spudage> hi all, I'm looking for a couple of quick pointers. I've installed Ubuntu 12.10 server and have found that my static IP configuration in /etc/network/interfaces works fine for some time (e.g., hours) and then at some point in time Ubuntu decides to switch back to DHCP
[08:35] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, no
[08:35] <dr_willis> an easy wizard... as opposed to a difficult wizard. ;)
[08:36] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: ok, so lets say i don't do it that way. i'll create 2 additional partitions, / and /home , each being either ext3/4. i should keep swap on the / drive right? if i were to run a virtualbox, would it install on the / drive? if so, windows 7 is somewhat large, i would think i should install a lot of space for this drive
[08:36] <Spudage> my /etc/network/interfaces file is still as i configured it. restarting network services makes it work with my static again. Any ideas?
[08:36] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: you should have one partition for linux when you resize
[08:36] <Spudage> done lots of searching and found plenty of ppl with the same problem but no real fixes
[08:36] <SolarisBoy> linux can run from one partition fine - it would just put everything under "/" (root)
[08:36] <PatrickDickey> subcool_: Reboot it, and start hitting F8 until you get a menu. Try safe mode Or startup repair, if that's an option. Then you might be able to checkdisk it.
[08:37] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: can you paste your new grub config please?
[08:38] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, good idea
[08:38] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: i don't mind doing that, but i've heard that if you want to reinstall ubuntu on a clean drive, it makes it difficult. having 2 is something i usually do with windows, so it seems logical to me to have 2 partitions for linux
[08:38] <BillyZane> by the way, i just added 100gigs to C drive! yay!
[08:38] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: if you need it and have the space sure
[08:38] <dr_willis> reinstall to a clean drive?  if the drive is clean its a new install? :)  I normally have a / and /home and swap parttuons on my installs
[08:38] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy, i got an empty 1 tb hard drive, space i have, headaches i can do without
[08:39] <dr_willis> using a whole 2nd drive on a system just for linux can save a lot of headaches
[08:39] <SolarisBoy> right a seperate /home allows you to choose to use that existing partition as /home when running a new instance of the installer
[08:39] <SolarisBoy> dr_willis: yeps =)
[08:39] <BillyZane> dr_willis: someday, i will
[08:40] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: http://pastebin.com/HRwxUegS
[08:40] <BillyZane> i'm too new at this to ditch windows completely, but i might be able to delete C drive one day and go completely linux
[08:40] <subcool_> i hate windows
[08:40] <dr_willis> drives ae deccently cheap these days. ;) just swap out your C:  with a nice SSD and keep it on a shelf in case you ever need it.
[08:40] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: it is the " that is wrong
[08:41] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: how much should i give to / and /home ? - considering i will keep 2gb swap in / and possibly run a virtual machine for windows 7
[08:41] <subcool_> im in sysmter repair with cmd. and now the f' drive is write protected.
[08:41] <dr_willis> BillyZane:  ive filled up 10gb of / befor.. so i go for at least 30gb for / these days. ;) rest for home and swap
[08:41] <BillyZane> dr_willis, i'd like to do that, but i'm an undergraduate student, lol
[08:42] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: like i said it depends on your usage of the system my storage server runs ubuntu and the root partition is about 60GB - and i've installed ubuntu on smaller partitions - but again - if you plan on installing things take care to make it large enough
[08:42] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: changed then and it is working now
[08:42] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem_: go into the /etc/default/grub, and change the "'s. Just delete the ones that are there, and put them back in.
[08:42] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem_: :D You're quicker than I am. LOL
[08:42] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy, i plan on installing things. like.. i want to test out stuff
[08:42] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem_: and it reboots normally over and over?
[08:42] <SolarisBoy> then it really depends on what you want to test
[08:43] <dr_willis> BillyZane:  installing stuff takes amazing little spacve comapred to windows. ;)
[08:43] <SolarisBoy> just treat it like you would windows on that front
[08:43] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: dunno yet
[08:43] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy, i want to run apps for molecular dynamics which take up a huge amount of ram if you run a lot of atoms
[08:43] <SolarisBoy> true but stuff adds up - dont try to do a super tiny root drive and then run out of space..
[08:44] <BillyZane> i'm considering the possibility that i might get 32gb of ram and might need a 64gb swap file some day
[08:44] <SolarisBoy> you dont..
[08:44] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: OK trying again
[08:44] <SolarisBoy> as stated 2GB will be fine for you
[08:44] <BillyZane> where does the swap file reside?
[08:44] <dr_willis> really have to wonder at an app that uses 90+gb of ram and swap
[08:44] <dr_willis> swap is a partion
[08:44] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: wherever you want it
[08:44] <SolarisBoy> swap can be a file or partition
[08:45] <BillyZane> i'd like it as a file
[08:45] <dr_willis> of the type swap. Or it can be a file.. OR it can be combonations of files and partitions
[08:45] <BillyZane> nice
[08:45] <dr_willis> BillyZane:  why
[08:45] <BillyZane> can i keep it on / ?
[08:45] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: How big of a partition are you working with overall?
[08:45] <dr_willis> its best to have swap on a partition
[08:45] <ist162548> join #android
[08:45] <SolarisBoy> indeed
[08:45] <PatrickDickey> ist162548: you forgot the / ;)
[08:45] <dr_willis> if you want to use the hibernate then i belive swap MUST be on a partition
[08:46] <BillyZane> dr_willis: i'm asking these questions because very soon i intend on installing ubuntu for the first time. i a 3 day old penguine, i know nothing outside of the ls command that i didn't learn in the last few days, i want to be absolutely certain about what to do before i start this, it's scary but i'll give it a go
[08:46] <BillyZane> what is the hibernate?
[08:46] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Nope same friggin problem
[08:46] <dr_willis> stick to the defaults..
[08:46] <PatrickDickey> suspend to disk (hibernate on windows)
[08:46] <dr_willis> ;) then you can change things later
[08:46] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey: i have about 250gb on C drive, and the rest of the 1tb hard drive is unallocated
[08:46] <SolarisBoy> persisting memory to hard drive so you can wake up where you left off BillyZane
[08:46] <subcool_> there has to be some linux disk checker that will work
[08:47] <subcool_> maybe fsck is just not setup right.
[08:47] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey, i can give these drives as much space as they need, but i would like to keep things less than what is necessary
[08:47] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: If you were just going to create one giant partition, how big would you make it?
[08:47] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : segregating home is really a good thing to do for backup & fresh installs ... fro performance you might also think about shoving your web cache in tempfs for speed :-). Its good for SSDs too, fewer writes with worthless data
[08:47] <SolarisBoy> Tex_Nick: +1
[08:47] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey, i could give it as much as it needs, i could probably go with 300 without feeling too bad
[08:47] <dr_willis> I got my / on a 128gb ssd, then a bigger hd for home
[08:48] <SolarisBoy> same
[08:48] <SolarisBoy> and on my storage box i have 2 bigger drives in a lvm shared out the network
[08:48] <BillyZane> Tex_Nick: precisely why i want to segregate / , i think it's awesome. but the question is, how big do i make home? consider that i would like to maybe get a large swap file on this drive (no swap partition), and i would likely run a windows 7 virtual box... hmm.. perhaps that coul be on /home if possible
[08:49] <dr_willis> BillyZane:  why do you think its better to do a swap file if you have never used linux befor?
[08:49] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Wtf now it doesn't even boot.  Man I thought ubuntu was supposed to be the best ever:(
[08:49] <BillyZane> dr_willis: that is an epic setup
[08:49] <SolarisBoy> the vbox can by of dynamic disk type so doesn't neccesarily need to take up that much disk space
[08:49] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: Since you've got free space, I'd say something like 50GB for /, 300 GB for /home. You can always resize them if you need more.  Well, with the /, it'll be a reformat and reinstallation.
[08:49] <SolarisBoy> *be
[08:49] <dr_willis> BillyZane:  whats epic setup?  A fairly standard setup would be abouit 20-30gb for / a few gb for swap, and rest for home
[08:50]  * PatrickDickey is just throwing numbers out as an example.
[08:50] <BillyZane> dr_willis: because people tell me i don't need a swap file, and my guess is that the only advantage is that there's always physical space avaiable for the swap file to expand if it's needed
[08:50] <dr_willis> by default the installer wont let you use a swap file
[08:50] <BillyZane> err.. sorry
[08:50] <BillyZane> that i don't need a swap partition
[08:51] <dr_willis> I dont have a swap parition on my 8gb setup. because i frogot to add one. ;)
[08:51] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: did you edit the /etc/default/grub and remove everything but quiet splash, and then reboot? Or did it work before, so you never tried that?
[08:51] <SolarisBoy> you would just choose no swap on the installer - and then add the swap file later if thats what you really wanted
[08:51] <dr_willis> and when i moved my home . i deleted it. ;)
[08:51] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey: that sounds reasonable
[08:51] <dr_willis> I could have had the system allready installed in the time its been taking you to worry about a trivial 2gb of swap  on a partition. ;;)
[08:52] <SolarisBoy> also true
[08:52] <dr_willis> one nice thing about a swap partion. is that many live cds' will see and use it.. if its there
[08:52] <BillyZane> i have a related question to ask that might solve this problem... this question is stemmed from my lack of understanding. what is installed on / and what is installed on /home ? is / just the kernel? is /home the applications?
[08:52] <dr_willis>  / is the root of the whole filesystem... /home is all the users home directories
[08:52] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: It works if I go into recovery mode and run update grub then resume reboot normally
[08:52] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : 1.1 X RAM is usually a good factor fot swap
[08:52] <dr_willis>  /home is mounted into the home direccory on /
[08:53] <BillyZane> Tex_Nick: i will go with that then.
[08:53] <dr_willis> thats why its /home  ;)  thats the full path to it
[08:53] <SolarisBoy> hmm
[08:53] <SolarisBoy> how much memory do you have?
[08:53] <BillyZane> according to dr_willis however, the installer does not give me the option to not have a swap partition, how can i not have one then?
[08:53] <BillyZane> i have 16gb
[08:54] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : that would give you a safe margin if you want to suspend/hibernate system
[08:54] <SolarisBoy> you just choose no swap it asks if your sure you say yea
[08:54] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: I'm at a loss. If it updates in the recovery, then it should boot normally after that.
[08:54] <SolarisBoy> you really don't need a 16GBish swap file...
[08:54] <SolarisBoy> waste of hdd space
[08:54] <SolarisBoy> unless your computer is from like 95
[08:54] <BillyZane> Tex_Nick, what does that mean? you mean like sleep mode? why would it not be safe if you didn't have one? is it saving all the ram to the swap file when going in to hybernation mode so it can be reloaded?
[08:54] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: when you're at the disk partitioning stage, choose the option to "Do Something else".
[08:55] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey: is that an actual option?
[08:55] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: is it a waste if i go beyond 16gb of ram for some reason
[08:55] <dr_willis> it does not thve the option to make a swap FILE
[08:55] <PatrickDickey> Yes. You should have a screen that says something like "Ubuntu detected another operating system..." And it should be the bottom option.
[08:56] <dr_willis> it will want to make a swap partiion
[08:56] <SolarisBoy> to me it is - but im not taking hibernation into consideration
[08:56] <subcool_> why wont fsck scan the drive properly? i dont get it. it even sasys it has a cluster error.
[08:56] <SolarisBoy> lol i dont even use swap
[08:56] <PatrickDickey> subcool_: do you have gparted open by chance?
[08:56] <Flynsarmy> how do i get out of gnome shell lock screen without a mouse? i see an arrow flashing upwards every now and then but no keyboard combo seems to do anything
[08:56] <subcool_> not yet
[08:56] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, not yet
[08:56] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: are you planning on using hibernation? If I remember right, it's not enabled by default in Ubuntu.
[08:56] <subcool_> im booting into linux now
[08:56] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy: i'm not sure what hybernation is, so i can't say if i would need it
[08:57] <PatrickDickey> subcool_: Open Gparted, and click on the drive. Then do the test on it. Let it run (the SMART test).
[08:57] <BillyZane> is hybernation the storing of ram in to the hard disk for later reloading?
[08:57] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: its when the computer is using minimal power and things in memory are persisted to disk to be recovered when you wake the computer up
[08:57] <BillyZane> if so, it makes sense that it would need a 1:1 allocation
[08:57] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, k
[08:57] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Ok ... I just ran update grub from recovery mode and resumed reboot.  I get half the screen in colour  and the rest is black.  I then reboot normally and get a  complete  black screen
[08:58] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerManagement/Hibernate
[08:58] <BillyZane> ty for the link
[08:58] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : sorry i didn't know you had taht much RAM ... SolarisBoy is right ... you don't need that much swap then ... when a system hibernates though ... any active process' are stored to swap for restart
[08:58] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo this might help you too.
[08:59] <auronandace> !nomodeset | donttrustem
[09:00] <BillyZane> ok, we have a non anomalous result here. the swap file will be left at 2 gb. can i increase this at a later time?
[09:00] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: sure
[09:00] <BillyZane> ok
[09:00] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: you can remove the swap file and add a new one - or add more and swapon them to enable them
[09:00] <BillyZane> and will this reside in / or /home
[09:00] <SolarisBoy> either or -
[09:00] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: doesn't matter - don't put them someplace that will get wiped i'd say..
[09:00] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: Technically, it will reside in it's own space.
[09:00] <Tex_Nick> SolarisBoy : ^5
[09:01] <BillyZane> if i run a virtual box for windows 7, and allocate say 20gb to this, would it reside on / or /home ?
[09:01] <BillyZane> what resides in /
[09:01] <BillyZane> is it just the kernel?
[09:01] <BillyZane> i'd like to keep it to the kernal and swap
[09:01] <SolarisBoy> the system/programs etc
[09:01] <BillyZane> so what goes in /home ?
[09:01] <SolarisBoy> Tex_Nick: =)
[09:01] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: Think of it like this: Take a pie and cut it into three pieces. They're all part of the same pie, but each is separate, right?
[09:01] <BillyZane> is home the stuff like files and media, pictures, etc
[09:02] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey, i follow
[09:02] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: technically no
[09:02] <bekks> BillyZane: home holds user settings, etc.
[09:02] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: /home is location for users folders and under the user folder is location for media and etc
[09:02] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: so you music is like /home/user/Music - etc.
[09:02] <BillyZane> i see
[09:02] <BillyZane> big question, if i have an NTFS partition
[09:03] <bekks> You cant use it for /home
[09:03] <BillyZane> say, D drive, separate from / and /home, can i access the media on that drive
[09:03] <bekks> Yes.
[09:03] <SolarisBoy> sure
[09:03] <PatrickDickey> Ok, that's essentially what you're doing with the partitioning. You're cutting the drive into three pieces. When you ask about /, it's the filesystem. But, if you look at it using ls or a file manager, you'll see /home also. It's a link to the partition that has /home on it.
[09:04] <BillyZane> ok
[09:04] <PatrickDickey> You won't see /swap, but it's linked off of / also.
[09:04] <SolarisBoy> if it's a partition
[09:04] <BillyZane> by the way, i really appreciate everyone's help
[09:04] <PatrickDickey> In other words, when you look at the "pie" you'll see one giant piece. But, in reality, it's cut up into three.
[09:04] <PatrickDickey> ^ SolarisBoy. (What he said is right).
[09:05] <BillyZane> this is what i gather from what everyone is saying, due to the fact that all the programs and kernel and swap is stored on / , i should allocate the most space for / , because i plan on keeping most of my media outside on an NTFS drive, i should probably not give /home as much space , would this be a wise decision?
[09:05] <SolarisBoy> but in general right on - like cutting up a pie
[09:05] <BillyZane> i'm considering about 60 gb for / and about 20 gb for /home , is that ok?
[09:05] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: heh - seems like your selling home short
[09:05] <dr_willis> i must have 10+gb of wallpaper in my /home/username   ;)
[09:06] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: I'd go the other way around. Unless you don't plan on storing any documents on the drive.
[09:06] <SolarisBoy> think of it like this - by default - your virtual machines will be in your home folder..
[09:06] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, it says deamn is inhibited
[09:06] <SolarisBoy> if your using VirtualBox or VMware
[09:06] <bekks> In vbox, you can easily change the path where vms will be stored.
[09:06] <SolarisBoy> so if you make a 10GB VM then you easily killed half your space
[09:06] <SolarisBoy> sure bekks but just saying =)
[09:06] <SolarisBoy> 20GB seems small for home
[09:06] <BillyZane> SolarisBoy, i don't mind increasing /home, but i feel like nothing will be stored on it of any really critical value, i understand though that /user/ will be on it, thus a lot of files will be there, such as installation files and tar files and such, so i should give it an adequate space, which you have just convinced me to do
[09:07] <dr_willis> BillyZane:  /user/ ? theres no /user/  ;)  theres /home/YOURUSERNAMES
[09:07] <bekks> My /home's are never bigger than 4GB.
[09:07] <BillyZane> lol
[09:07] <SolarisBoy> you could also make .VirtualBox a soft link from another drive
[09:07] <skp1_> does anyone know how to add a .desktop file to the launcher from the command line?
[09:07] <SolarisBoy> but meh
[09:07] <dr_willis> i got my /home on its own 3TB HD.
[09:07] <BillyZane> dr_willis: is what i meant ;)
[09:07] <bekks> Everything else like vms, files, etc. are not userrelated and thus not stored in /home - but in /data
[09:07] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: if you're going to use a 300GB drive, I'd go 60 for / and the rest for /home (minus a swap, if you want one).
[09:07] <BillyZane> dr_willis, that's because you're a baller
[09:08] <rino> ciao
[09:08] <SolarisBoy> =( mine is like 1TB my storage has like 1.7TB together in an LVM but they both have seperate 128GB ssd's for /
[09:08] <rino> !list
[09:08] <dr_willis> rino:  do you list every channel you join? o
[09:08] <SolarisBoy> gotta 3tb usb though ;>
[09:09] <Tex_Nick> for me, 20gb / ext4. 1.1xRAM for swap ( I assume 2gb RAM or greater) and the rest s ext4 for /home
[09:09] <dr_willis> a ssd for / is a good investment
[09:09] <SolarisBoy> not really sure why.. but it feels good to have a lot of space
[09:09] <bekks> SolarisBoy: Thats why I have several TB for /data :P
[09:09] <BillyZane> dr_willis: sigh, one day. one day. i work at a shoe store
[09:09] <SolarisBoy> bekks: ;> i love /data mounts - always interesting
[09:09] <dr_willis>  /media/vacationvideos
[09:10] <BillyZane> ummm
[09:10] <SolarisBoy> /media/virtual /media/media /media/utility -> expandable iscsi mounts ;> wootwoot
[09:10] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, nvm- it was because ih ad gparted running
[09:10] <SolarisBoy> /media/media/ confuses me sometimes though
[09:11] <dr_willis>   /media/aidem
[09:11] <bekks> SolarisBoy: /data is a shared ZFS :P
[09:11] <BillyZane> thank you solarcloud_3scrn, Tex_Nick, dr_willis, PatrickDickey, bekks
[09:11] <SolarisBoy> bekks: =0
[09:11] <BillyZane> err SolarisBoy
[09:11] <SolarisBoy> bekks: noice ;>
[09:11] <BillyZane> lol, he gave me a little help earlier
[09:12] <Tex_Nick> lol ... BillyZane, dr_willis has a good point about ssd's ... linus torvalds recently compared hard drives to satan ;-)
[09:12] <BillyZane> really?
[09:12] <BillyZane> is it because they crash?
[09:12] <PatrickDickey> No problem BillyZane.
[09:12] <BillyZane> ohh.. i've heard that ext4 is not compatible with windows
[09:12] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : yes
[09:12] <SolarisBoy> its not
[09:13] <bekks> BillyZane: Thats true.
[09:13] <BillyZane> by incompatible, does that mean i would not be able to access media on an ntfs drive?
[09:13] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: no linux partition is.  Well, there's an application ext2dos or something like that, but I wouldn't trust it.
[09:13] <bekks> BillyZane: No. ext4 cannot be mounted from windows.
[09:13] <BillyZane> or does it mean that windows can not access ext4
[09:13] <SolarisBoy> correct - or better put can't access that data from a windows installation using it's native utilities
[09:13] <bekks> BillyZane: Linux coun mount NTFS.
[09:13] <SolarisBoy> bekks: the latter
[09:13] <bekks> *can
[09:13] <auronandace> BillyZane: it means if you are using windows you won't access ext4 partitions
[09:13] <SolarisBoy> woops *BillyZane - not bekks
[09:14] <BillyZane> hmm
[09:14] <subcool_> Hey, im getting tired. gnite all
[09:14] <dr_willis> !ntfs
[09:14] <subcool_> PatrickDickey, ``q  and everyone else.. thanks for the help.
[09:14] <BillyZane> so.. in practice, i could be in linux and i would have a mounted NTFS drive that i could browse, but in windows, i would not be able to browse linux partitions
[09:14] <PatrickDickey> no problem subcool_.
[09:14] <bekks> BillyZane: Correct.
[09:14] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: Right.
[09:15] <BillyZane> if i use ext3, is that problem resolved for accessing linux drives on windows?
[09:15] <dr_willis> windows is limited
[09:15] <SolarisBoy> nope
[09:15] <SolarisBoy> windows is non tolerant to open source
[09:15] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: If you know that you're going to need to access files from both, then create a partition that's formatted ntfs and copy the files there.
[09:15] <BillyZane> i suppose it won't really matter going backwards
[09:15] <jorick> hey can i have my photos  "protected" when they import so that i don't accidentally lose them when i drag them to my dropbox? like put mode ticky on the directory or something?
[09:15] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey, good idea
[09:15] <bekks> jorick: Create a backup then.
[09:15] <dr_willis> dont trust windows tools that access ext# filesystems
[09:15] <BillyZane> so, worse case scenario, i copy files to NTFS from linux
[09:15] <SolarisBoy> microsoft would keel over and convulse if they had to put some open source FS drivers in their OS stack
[09:15] <SolarisBoy> meh
[09:16] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: You won't make it your /home or anything like that though. it'll be a separate partition altogether.
[09:16] <BillyZane> lol
[09:16] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey: what do you mean?
[09:16] <kepler> i just use a nas that i mount as nfs on linux, and have shared with cifs for windows
[09:16] <jorick> bekks, i use dropbox as an online backup for my most precious pictures
[09:16] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey: can't i just transfer a file, say homework.c to a C drive while i'm in linux?
[09:16] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: yes
[09:16] <PatrickDickey> I mean, all of your linux partitions (/, /home) will be formatted as ext4. You'll need one more partition if you want to copy between windows and linux.
[09:17] <bekks> jorick: Then your question is pointless :)
[09:17] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: Yes, you can do that. I wasn't sure how much data you'd want to share.
[09:17] <bekks> jorick: Either you rely on your backup, or you dont rely on it and you create a local backup.
[09:17] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey: hmm.... i probably won't share anything too large
[09:17] <BillyZane> thank you everyone once again
[09:18] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: If you find that you need the space, you can always create another partition in whatever you have unallocated.
[09:18] <SolarisBoy> i saw this shirt with a usb stick on it that said "back that thing up"
[09:18] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : on dual boot ( windoze & linux ) i always disable windows file indexing ... it's crashed ubuntu files in the distant past
[09:18] <BillyZane> when i install ubuntu... i'm presuming i'll have to select windows or ubuntu when the system starts, is that boot up feature come default after an instillation, or should be be aware of any sort of boot up software i should install
[09:18] <jorick> bekks: ok got it, there's no way for linux to say: "don't allow modifications on files created in this dir, but allow new files anyways". sorry for asking
[09:19] <BillyZane> Tex_Nick: that crashing is not a problem now though?
[09:19] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: You'll get a GRUB menu that gives you the options of Ubuntu, Advanced Settings for Ubuntu, or Windows.
[09:19] <PatrickDickey> It's default, if you install any linux distribution AFTER you install Windows.
[09:19] <dr_willis> !manual
[09:19] <bekks> jorick: Thats something different than what you asked, I guess. And yes, you could set that up using ACL.
[09:19] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey, to get this grub window, i'll have to do something during the boot sequence in my bios to make this work?
[09:20] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : install windoze first then ubuntu for ease :)
[09:20] <BillyZane> i have windows installed first :D
[09:20] <SolarisBoy> it will be easy then BillyZane
[09:20] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: Nope. If you install Ubuntu after Windows, Ubuntu handles that for you. If you install Windows after Ubuntu, you have to fix it.
[09:20] <BillyZane> sweet
[09:20] <BillyZane> nice
[09:20] <BillyZane> i <3 u guys
[09:21] <BillyZane> ohhh..
[09:21]  * PatrickDickey is glad to see the Ubuntu Manual is an option in the bot...  Since I've helped as an author on it. :)
[09:21] <SolarisBoy> ;)
[09:21] <jorick> bekks, ok i'll check that out. any ubuntu specific terms i could include in my search?
[09:21] <BillyZane> is the manual on the topic? i really need to see this manual
[09:21] <SolarisBoy> PatrickDickey: thats cool
[09:21] <BillyZane> the problem is, the manual is very confusing for me
[09:21] <PatrickDickey> !manual BillyZane
[09:22] <BillyZane> should i receieve a download?
[09:22]  * PatrickDickey um ok.. That didn't work the way it's supposed to.
[09:22] <jorick> whoops nvmd got it this is excactly what i needed
[09:22] <jorick> thx
[09:22] <SolarisBoy> nah its online im sure you can DL as an option somewhere
[09:22] <PatrickDickey> !manual
[09:22] <BillyZane> is there an online manual?
[09:22] <auronandace> !manual | BillyZane
[09:22] <PatrickDickey> It's also available in the Software Center.
[09:22] <BillyZane> ohhh thank you
[09:22] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: that is the manual online =)
[09:22] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[09:22] <BillyZane> you are all too kind
[09:22] <BillyZane> i'm checking it out right now
[09:22] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : when you boot ... grub will give you a nice text menu to choose startup options
[09:23]  * PatrickDickey needs to eat something and do laundry...
[09:23] <BillyZane> Tex_Nick, cool
[09:23] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey, eat well
[09:23] <BillyZane> i have a question....
[09:23] <Spudage> can anyone offer some suggestions as to why my /etc/network/interfaces static IP works fine for a number of hours and then suddenly Ubuntu switches back to DHCP? (12.10 Server)
[09:23] <BillyZane> will this manual help me do an installation step by step?
[09:24] <SolarisBoy> Spudage: your probably running the dhclient
[09:24] <BillyZane> say i'm a complete novice, will it show me exactly what to install?
[09:24] <BillyZane> say i install ubuntu... after that, i have to get KDE installed (my preferred GUI)
[09:24] <BillyZane> someone was guiding me through this installation
[09:24] <Spudage> SolarisBoy, whats the easiest way to check? is it installed by default? And I'm assuming if it is it must take priority over a static setting
[09:24] <auronandace> !kubuntu | BillyZane
[09:25] <SolarisBoy> BillyZane: it should walk you through more general things - so you dont have to worry about those details and it will help you find info quickly
[09:25] <BillyZane> for the virtualbox, and honestly... i can't remember all the commands i had to write
[09:25] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : this might seem lame ... but YouTube has great vids on all things linux, bash, c & c++, ubuntu ... etc :)
[09:25] <BillyZane> Tex_Nick, no it's not lame at all
[09:25] <SolarisBoy> Spudage: you can check the process table "ps auxwww|grep dhc" or maybe look for NetworkManager or networkmanager whatever they call it these days - although networkmanager generally ignores anything in /etc/network/interfaces so i would suspect dhclient -
[09:26] <Spudage> thanks mate, i'll check it out
[09:26] <SolarisBoy> Spudage: another clue may be looking at the /etc/resolv.conf file at the type it generally leaves a note if dhcp wrote things to networking config
[09:26] <BillyZane> i'm currently reading the manual for installation
[09:26] <SolarisBoy> Spudage: sure =)
[09:26] <SolarisBoy> s/type/top/
[09:27] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: I think I will go back to windows :( I am not getting anywhere with this
[09:27] <Spudage> SolarisBoy, I'll check that out too. Thanks
[09:27] <SolarisBoy> np
[09:27] <BillyZane> donttrustem: defeatist!
[09:28] <BillyZane> lol
[09:28] <SolarisBoy> if it is there and your sure your sticking with static its safe to remove the package - you can reinstall it if needed later - that will stop it from starting up and being around if not needed
[09:28] <donttrustem> BillyZane: Hey man I have been working on this for 10 hours now
[09:29] <BillyZane> donttrustem, what are you trying to do?
[09:29] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: did you try putting nomodset into the command line?
[09:29] <PatrickDickey> He's trying to get Ubuntu working on an Aspire EEPC (if I understand right).
[09:30] <JesusAlos_> Hi. I've aproblem execution program
[09:30] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Trying now
[09:30] <JesusAlos_> 	in ubuntu 10.04
[09:30] <JesusAlos_> when execute in command console: heekscnc
[09:30] <JesusAlos_> appears: error while loading shared libraries: libTKernel-6.3.0.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:31] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : have a look at this :)
[09:31] <SolarisBoy> JesusAlos_: the application your trying to run is looking for a library it can't find - you can try looking for the package that provides that library file and rerunning the application again
[09:31] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Same problem but I am doing this using the e command because I cannot get to the desktop
[09:32] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : jeeze forgot link http://ubuntuxtreme.com/howto/how-to-change-desktop-environment-in-ubuntu-12-10/
[09:32] <petergk> hey all
[09:33] <petergk> I just discovered the zeitgest system in ubuntu
[09:33] <petergk> scary stuff
[09:33] <JesusAlos_> solarisBoy: how do it?
[09:33] <SolarisBoy> JesusAlos_: atleast in 12.04 the packages which provide that file are libopencascade-foundation-6.5.0 but that provides the 6.5.0 libs as you see - so you probably want to look for something like that as a start
[09:34] <SolarisBoy> JesusAlos_: i used apt-file search libTKernel on my system - you can install apt-file if it's available for 10.04 and search for files in external packages like that easily
[09:34] <petergk> how is connected the zeitgeist system to the gps data sender?
[09:34] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: remove everything after the console=tty1 in the command line (everything you added after that)
[09:35] <PatrickDickey> It should look like quiet splash console=tty1 or "quiet splash console=tty1" when you hit e.
[09:35] <skp1> does anyone know how i can set ubuntu to show all messages during boot, instead of the plymouth splash screen?
[09:35] <bazhang> !nox | skp1
[09:36]  * PatrickDickey is actually thinking donttrustem should try 12.10 instead of 12.04.
[09:36] <donttrustem> Ok. Will download it
[09:39] <PatrickDickey> I'm going on the idea that they probably fixed the issues in 12.10, since the wiki page about the graphics card says that no workarounds are needed.
[09:39] <Ben64> whats the issue?
[09:40] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Ok coming down now .... I hope it works.  I really want to put all the machine here on ubuntu
[09:40] <PatrickDickey> He installed Ubuntu 12.04 on an AspireOne, and when he boots, it gives him a black screen. Everything he's tried from the wiki page has failed.
[09:41] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: when you boot to it, do the "Try Ubuntu" option first. Just to make sure it works.
[09:41] <donttrustem> Ok
[09:41] <PatrickDickey> And you don't want to upgrade. You want a clean installation (wipe everything and install).
[09:41] <donttrustem> I understand
[09:41] <PatrickDickey> I'm going off of what the wiki page for the graphics card suggests, just to be clear.
[09:44] <Tex_Nick> quantal ... anyone know how i can get my desktop icons to automatically align vertically ... "keep aligned" works great horizontally but not vertically
[09:45] <petergk> hello
[09:45] <donttrustem> Patrick lol ....just removed everything and it has worked ...wtf
[09:46] <dr_willis> ive rarely had issues with  my 2 netbooks ;)
[09:46] <lcabreza1> hi, how do i do an ldap search using terminal ?
[09:46] <Spudage> SolarisBoy, i did some hunting around. i don't have network manager on here. dhclient is running and i can see in /var/lib.dhcp/dhclient.eth0.leases the address that is being assigned. I would have thought that my static settings should just take priority over this lease by default
[09:47] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: try rebooting a few times. if it works, then don't change anything.
[09:47] <bekks> Spudage: Look at ifconfig -ainstead.
[09:47] <bekks> Spudage: Look at ifconfig -a instead.
[09:47] <PatrickDickey> petergk: hello
[09:47] <Spudage> i wouldn't have to kill (and remove from startup) the dhclient process would i? because then if i ever did remove the static IP i'd have to reenable it
[09:47] <Spudage> k
[09:47] <skp1> dr_willis: i was in here a minute ago asking how to see boot messages when i start my computer, appending text to the kernel line just gave me a command prompt instead of lightdm, i did not see any messages while it was booting
[09:48] <dr_willis> skp1:  try 'noquiet nosplash verbose'
[09:48] <skp1> ok thank you
[09:48] <Spudage> bekks, its still showing the correct IP since I restarted 'networking'. My problem is that after a number of hours it automatically starts using a DHCP lease again (even though my manual settings still exist in /etc/network/interfaces)
[09:48] <dr_willis> skp1:  text will keep lightdm from starting..  it boots to the text console
[09:49] <dr_willis> verbose will show a LOt of messages
[09:49] <Spudage> my concern is that dhclient will take priority again at some point
[09:50] <petergk> in ubuntu the zeitgeist system is connected to the gps system
[09:50] <petergk> :/
[09:51] <petergk> still scary
[09:51] <PatrickDickey> Why's it scary?
[09:52] <CyberInjectOr> o.O
[09:52]  * dr_willis wonders what gps system he has on his pc.
[09:53] <petergk> PatrickDickey, I can't see the direction of communication, so I need to audit
[09:53] <xiaoy>
[09:53] <PatrickDickey> me wonders if that's why he keeps getting the message "in 100 feet make the first legal u-turn"
[09:53] <PatrickDickey> darn / anyhow. :P
[09:54]  * PatrickDickey wonders if that's why he keeps getting the message "in 100 feet make the first legal u-turn"
[09:54] <xiaoy>
[09:54] <petergk> PatrickDickey, it's can be a good feature, but with an app which sends back data to somewhere
[09:54] <xiaoy>
[09:55] <PatrickDickey> It's only accurate though, if your computer actually has a GPS capability.
[09:55]  * dr_willis hears  "The nearest donut shop is 400 ft ahead"
[09:55] <xiaoy>
[09:57] <BillyZane> hmm
[09:57] <BillyZane> i got a situation
[09:57] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Strange it did not work ... So I used the e command again and remove the $vt_handoff form the  end of the line and it worked.   The problem I have is finding where to remove  it  permanently
[09:57] <xiaoy>
[09:57] <PatrickDickey> What's up BillyZane?
[09:57] <BillyZane> i want to install ubuntu, but i feel like i will need assistance during installation
[09:57] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: can you paste your grub config again?
[09:58] <donttrustem> Yep
[09:58] <petergk> if one app sends back my activity, I am not happy
[09:58] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: Are you on the computer that you're going to install it on?
[09:58] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey, yes
[09:58] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey, i have a second computer, 1 monitor, 1 kb/m , no KVM switch
[09:58] <BillyZane> i suppose i could unplug and replug stuff during install
[09:58] <BillyZane> the question is, how can i get help and still be lazy
[09:59] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: Are you on Ubuntu right now? Live CD?
[09:59] <BillyZane> windows 7
[09:59] <BillyZane> i have ubuntu on a virtual machine that has convinced me i need MOAR
[09:59] <PatrickDickey> Boot to the Live CD, and choose the Option Try Ubuntu.
[09:59] <PatrickDickey> Then come back in here, and we'll walk you through it if you need us to.
[09:59] <BillyZane> i can install it while i'm on here?
[10:00] <BillyZane> that is really cool...
[10:00] <BillyZane> i guess i should burn a live CD then
[10:00] <PatrickDickey> I believe so. It's an application that will be running, and at some point, you can navigate the web. So I'd guess that you can.
[10:01] <[DeVil-BoY]> greets
[10:01] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: are you still looking at the Ubuntu manual?
[10:01] <BillyZane> i'll download the live CD now patrick
[10:01] <PatrickDickey> ok.
[10:02] <Spudage> SolarisBoy, FYI incase you are curious: after a bit more reading it seems that after editing my /etc/network/interfaces file and restarting networking that i should have manually killed the dhclient process (as this doesn't seem to happen automatically when disabling DHCP). now that i've killed the process it hasn't come back after a restart (so should be all good now)
[10:02] <Spudage> not sure if its a bug that dhclient stays running once the only interface on the machine has been made static though!
[10:03] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey, it says the 32bit is the recommended download, i have a 64bit chip. why is 32bit recommended? is it to ensure backward compatibility on all devices?
[10:03] <BillyZane> does the 64bit have any disadvantage?
[10:03] <dr_willis> BillyZane:  you got it..
[10:03] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: They don't know which you have. So you can choose the 64 bit.
[10:03] <dr_willis> if you got 64bit hardware. use 64bit
[10:03] <[DeVil-BoY]> i'm using 64
[10:03] <[DeVil-BoY]> so far so good
[10:03] <BillyZane> cool
[10:04] <BillyZane> ty, i'm downloading now
[10:04] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: Did you download the Ubuntu Manual earlier?
[10:04] <BillyZane> i should contribute
[10:05] <BillyZane> patrick, yes, i was reading the installation portion
[10:05] <PatrickDickey> On Page 13, is the screen that we were talking about earlier, where you choose "Something else" and then manually set up your paritions.
[10:05]  * BillyZane looks for that page
[10:06] <dr_willis> They really really need to use a better term then 'Somthing else'
[10:06] <PatrickDickey> The section heading is "Install ubuntu alongside another Operating System."
[10:06] <BillyZane> yes, i see the something else option
[10:06] <ClientAlive> can someone remind me the command to find all unused packages? I thought it was sudo apt-get clean or *autoclean but after reading about them I'm not so sure that's what I'm looking for.
[10:06] <PatrickDickey> True dr_willis. I think it used to be "manually partition" or something like that.
[10:06] <BillyZane> oh yes
[10:06] <PatrickDickey> sudo apt-get autoremove will remove unneeded packages.
[10:07] <BillyZane> what is apt-get
[10:07] <dr_willis> It jus sounds weird to say to some one   'use the somthing else button'
[10:07] <BillyZane> actually.. what is apt
[10:07] <PatrickDickey> It's how you install software (via the command line).
[10:07] <dr_willis> !apt
[10:08] <dr_willis> You got a lot of reading to do. ;)
[10:08] <BillyZane> ohhh i see, i installed synaptic on this virtualbox, it's like an app store
[10:08] <PatrickDickey> LOL And plenty of time to do it in.
[10:08] <PatrickDickey> Synaptic is a graphical frontend for apt/dpkg.
[10:08] <dr_willis> BillyZane:  the whold idea of a 'store' is a bit.. well.. demeaning ::) for what apt can do.. heh
[10:08] <BillyZane> it was an analogy, but you're right
[10:08] <BillyZane> it's an app repository for mankind
[10:09] <dr_willis> Apt/synaptic has been around LONG LONG befor there was even the term  'app store'
[10:09] <ClientAlive> PatrickDickey: thanks
[10:09] <PatrickDickey> No problem ClientAlive.
[10:09] <dr_willis> BillyZane:  we keep out packages in a 'repository' not a store. ;)
[10:09] <BillyZane> dr_willis, true that. i have offended linux, for that i am sorry
[10:09] <BillyZane> actually, linux is the GNU OS right?
[10:10] <dr_willis> Its amazeing how useless some of these 'other' app stores are becoming with flood of junk
[10:10] <dr_willis> !hurd
[10:10] <BillyZane> i was reading linux got picked up cause GNU was looking for an OS and BSD was in some legal dispute at the time, so they settled with linux
[10:10] <PatrickDickey> Linux is the kernel basically.
[10:10] <BillyZane> i'ma check out hurd
[10:10] <dr_willis> Linux uses the HURD stuff for its skelton. i gues syou can say
[10:11] <dr_willis> its analogy day
[10:11] <BillyZane> errrr .. sorry, not GNU, BSD
[10:11] <BillyZane> i am currently still downloading linux installer
[10:11] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: http://pastebin.com/vJpmXDCw
[10:12] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : GNU came from Richard Stallman ... father of open source so to speak
[10:12] <BillyZane> what's this?
[10:12] <BillyZane> it says grub a bunch of times
[10:12] <BillyZane> guessing it's a grub thingy
[10:12] <BillyZane> script?
[10:12] <BillyZane> how do i use that?
[10:13] <BillyZane> i have to run kate or nano
[10:13] <BillyZane> copy it in to the window
[10:13] <BillyZane> save it
[10:13] <ubuntun00b> hi all .. i just started playing with ubuntu server .. .   my problem is .. on eth0, if I use ipv6 it works fine .. but as soon as I change it to br0, it stops to work .. is there any special setting to make ipv6 work in br0
[10:13] <BillyZane> then what
[10:13] <dr_willis> we are not sure what you are talking about BillyZane
[10:13] <BillyZane> crap
[10:13] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: remove splash from the /etc/default/grub file.
[10:13] <BillyZane> donttrustem pasted something, i thought it was intended for me
[10:13] <BillyZane> n/m
[10:14] <PatrickDickey> Nope, it was his GRUB config. He's having boot issues.
[10:14] <BillyZane> ohhh
[10:14] <BillyZane> makes sense
[10:15] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1768725 the last comment mentions removing splash, and that removes the vt.handoff portion.
[10:17] <BillyZane> if i won that ridiculous powerball lottery, everyone of you that helped me would be getting jet ski
[10:18] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: so just remove the spalsh
[10:18] <BillyZane> actually, i would just hire you as over paid consultants
[10:18] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: Try that first. If it doesn't work, then there's another comment with a more intensive fix.
[10:18] <rigo> hi
[10:18] <PatrickDickey> Hi rigo
[10:19] <rigo> i download the 12.10 x64 full 763mib cd, try to install it with cli or cli-expert, but it sais: no kernel image: cli found
[10:19] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: one question is 12.10 better?
[10:20] <rigo> like the netinst version i only would like to ignore downloading the packages each time..
[10:20] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: It's a matter of opinion. I think so. Although I went to Lubuntu, instead of Ubuntu.
[10:20] <rigo> simply because it is slow...
[10:20] <donttrustem_> PatrickDickey: also do I remove the quiet
[10:21]  * PatrickDickey wonders if his iPad thought he wanted to quit
[10:21] <donttrustem_> lol
[10:21] <donttrustem_> possibley
[10:22] <donttrustem_> I  am on the acer at the moment
[10:22]  * rigo confused
[10:22] <PatrickDickey> LOL I saw that you were in here twice, right after I typed that. And no, I don't think you need to remove the quiet.
[10:22] <donttrustem_> OK ... lets try this now
[10:23] <JesusAlos_> hi. What is the appropiate hardware configuration for ubuntu server 12.04?
[10:23] <JesusAlos_> a goog hardware configuration
[10:24] <JesusAlos_> I buy a PC an want to know this
[10:24] <PatrickDickey> JesusAlos_: do you mean the system requirements?
[10:24] <JesusAlos_> yes. But not basic requeriments
[10:24] <JesusAlos_> good requeriments
[10:24] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: yoooo!!   all working and much faster as well
[10:24] <nuftau> I think you don't need az very good hardward configuration, because i'm on a very very old computer (2002)
[10:24] <PatrickDickey> What do you plan to do with it JesusAlos_?
[10:25] <nuftau> *a
[10:25] <PatrickDickey> Awesome donttrustem. :D
[10:25] <JesusAlos_> for office server
[10:25] <donttrustem> PatrickDickey: Thanks for all your help...
[10:25] <JesusAlos_> 4 computers
[10:25] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: No problem. I'm glad you got it figured out. :D
[10:25] <JesusAlos_> files server, web server, ssh server, LAMP
[10:25] <donttrustem> now I just need to install skype and restore the email
[10:26] <savr> hi
[10:26] <nuftau> hi
[10:26] <intxk> hi
[10:26] <PatrickDickey> JesusAlos_: Well to give you an idea, I'm running a home server, which has the file, web, dhcp, dns, etc on an older computer.
[10:26] <nuftau> I have just a question
[10:27] <PatrickDickey> ask away.
[10:27] <nuftau> what is the best app for emails
[10:27] <nuftau> ?
[10:27] <Ben64> !best | nuftau
[10:27] <nuftau> logic.
[10:27] <donttrustem> where is the network browser in ubuntu
[10:28] <Ben64> donttrustem: menu -> places -> network
[10:28] <PatrickDickey> donttrustem: Nautilus (the folder on the left hand side). It'll be an entry there.
[10:28] <PatrickDickey> "Browse network"
[10:28] <JesusAlos_> I want to know details like the moderboard better with RAID
[10:29] <PatrickDickey> nuftau: another answer to your question, although the bot has the better one, is it depends on what you're doing. And what capabilities your email account has.
[10:29] <JesusAlos_> for example
[10:29] <savr> I've got a botched ubuntu install. I don't really have time to debug it. I've got a free partition. I don't have any install media ready. Is there an easy way to install ubuntu on a new partition from a ubuntu install? I'm really only interested if it is simpler than going to the corner store and buying a blank DVD. The way I know how to do this isn't so simple and requires using grub to boot the install media off the hdd. I don't have the time for this me
[10:29] <savr> thod...
[10:30] <Ben64> savr: flash drive?
[10:30] <savr> don't have an empty one
[10:30] <Ben64> doesn't have to be empty
[10:30] <PatrickDickey> savr: How did you install Ubuntu originally?
[10:30] <savr> and buying a DVD is quicker for me
[10:30] <savr> USB...
[10:30] <Ben64> if you're too lazy to do anything, then why ask
[10:30] <PatrickDickey> Do you still have that stick?
[10:31] <savr> really I don't have time... I have no media ready
[10:31] <savr> it is quicker to go buy a DVD
[10:31] <kepler> then you answered your own question
[10:31] <donttrustem> hmm! ... keep getting invalid argument when trying to copy files from my mac to ubunutu
[10:31] <PatrickDickey> savr: That's your best option then.  I could boot it off grub...
[10:32] <PatrickDickey> savr: Do me a favor, please. Define botched.
[10:32] <donttrustem> kepler:LOL
[10:32] <kepler> donttrustem, how are you copying?
[10:32] <donttrustem> drag and drop
[10:33] <donttrustem> even tried copy
[10:33] <savr> PatrickDickey: super fucked up... something like 15 boot/path errors
[10:33] <savr> probably a sign of a failing hard drive to be honest
[10:33] <kepler> can you ssh to your ubuntu machine?
[10:34] <donttrustem> let me try to ssh from ubuntu
[10:34] <kepler> on the mac, i would scp the files over, provided ssh is running on your ubuntu machine
[10:34] <PatrickDickey> JesusAlos_: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/amd64/minimum-hardware-reqts.html is the best that I can get you about system requirements. Basically pick something better than those.
[10:35] <rigo> so is there a way to install a minimal system with the standard ubuntu install disk?
[10:35] <PatrickDickey> savr: if it's probably a failing hard drive, then it wouldn't help to install on another partition (unless that's on another drive).
[10:35] <savr> PatrickDickey: I got work to do... I know...
[10:36] <PatrickDickey> rigo: http://askubuntu.com/questions/203122/how-do-i-do-a-minimal-install-without-an-internet-connection
[10:36] <savr> you know what I should just buy a new laptop
[10:36] <savr> I already got someone who wants to take this one off me
[10:36] <PatrickDickey> savr: Probably, if the drive is failing. But, you'll either want to fix this one for them, or restore whatever was on it originally.
[10:36] <ioria> rigo: you can download the mini iso
[10:36] <PatrickDickey> Unless they know it's borked.
[10:36] <savr> patholio: they can fix it themselves...
[10:37] <savr> it's family...
[10:37] <savr> I was meant to give this laptop to them in a month
[10:37] <rigo> checkin. i download the mini iso and i have to download all the neccesary packages. which i dont want to. cause its slow.
[10:37]  * PatrickDickey checks to see if he's related to savr. :P
[10:37] <savr> ok what laptop to get?
[10:37] <PatrickDickey> savr: do they know that it's messed up?
[10:37] <savr> the thinkpad helix interested me
[10:38] <savr> anyone know if it is available?
[10:38] <PatrickDickey> savr: as for what laptop to get, how much do you want to spend on it? I can recommend a couple that have Ubuntu installed (and working).
[10:38] <savr> PatrickDickey: their problem really...
[10:38] <Benxyzzy> What's the highest Xorg log level? If I just put -logverbose 999 will that work?
[10:38] <ioria> rigo: you can try the command line installation ...
[10:38] <kepler> PatrickDickey, any of them ultrabooks with a gigabit NIC on board?
[10:38] <savr> PatrickDickey: at this point it doesn't matter not being able to work is costing me more money than $1k+- for a laptop
[10:39] <kepler> and better than 1366x768 res
[10:39] <rigo> yep. i burn the standard disk, run it press esc, and type in cli but than i receive an EM
[10:39] <PatrickDickey> Dell has one, System 76 is a manufacturer of Linux Laptops.
[10:39] <jakepiano> hi how would i connect to an ethernet connection?
[10:39] <kepler> jakepiano, plug it in?
[10:40] <jakepiano> yup i did but its not connecting
[10:40] <PatrickDickey> jakepiano: it should connect automatically, if you have a dhcp server somewhere (router, modem, server).
[10:40] <savr> Please wait 58 minutes for test to complete.
[10:40] <kepler> open up a terminal and ifconfig -a
[10:40] <savr> ok... smart is testing the drive...
[10:40] <kepler> see if eth0 shows up
[10:40] <donttrustem> how do you add apps to the launcher
[10:40] <ioria> rigo: you should have at start a menu  - installation- -command line installation -memory test - etc etc ...
[10:40] <Sgeo> YoltA private messaged me with some nonsense about wanting to talk about our origins
[10:40] <jakepiano> eth0 does not show up
[10:40] <kepler> what is in there?
[10:41] <kepler> wlan0 and lo?
[10:41] <jakepiano> kepler lo and wlan0
[10:41] <kepler> dont think you have the drivers for your card then
[10:41] <rigo> if i download the standard 12.10 x64 installation disk from the downloads site?
[10:41] <savr> PatrickDickey: this is a dell.  I had problems with this laptop a while back and it was a pain in the arse to get them to send someone to fix it.
[10:42] <jakepiano> well i recently switched from windows 8 to ubuntu and its a fairly new computer. why wouldn't it work?
[10:42] <PatrickDickey> savr: I feel the pain. A friend of mine went through a bunch of hassle with Dell. I'd look at System 76 then. There's one more, but I can't think of it offhand.
[10:42] <kepler> what kind of ethernet card is it?
[10:42] <PatrickDickey> jakepiano: Do you have a wireless router?
[10:43] <savr> the bluetooth chip failed and they just were wasting endless time. it took like an hour to explain to them that I'm not using windows and it isn't a fucking driver problem and I can't download their driver upload and install it because I'm not on windows.
[10:43] <ioria> rigo: the mini installation it's not so slow .... maybe faster then download the complete iso ... and on the website you have all the instructions
[10:43] <jakepiano> i'm kind of new to this too.
[10:43] <jakepiano> and i'm not sure
[10:43] <savr> it was a fried chip and their morons have to follow this idiotic script before they can send someone to fix it
[10:44] <rigo> im messing up the system in every 2 hours until i get the realy GOOD installation :) im a noob. thatswhy i would need the offline installation method.
[10:44] <savr> I don't even know why I paid for onsite warranty... with the same money I could have replaced the bluetooth chip myself faster and cheaper
[10:44] <rigo> so i install the ubuntu today
[10:44] <jakepiano> kepler how would i get the drivers?
[10:44] <rigo> so i'll install the ubuntu about 30x today :D
[10:44] <kepler> jakepiano, try: lspci | grep -i eth
[10:44] <kepler> in your terminal
[10:44] <nuftau> Hi. I have a little problem when I download a package; i download about 10 kB/s on the middle of the day, and 250kB/s on night... Is it because of Ubuntu's servers, or because of my connection?
[10:45] <kepler> nuftau, i get 3/4MBps down, so not sure if it is ubuntu, maybe whichever mirror you're hitting
[10:45] <rigo> nuftau you should select the nearest server. so choose your country for the fastest method
[10:46] <jakepiano> ok i did that i think except i'm not sure how to do the vertical bar. or does it matter. it gave me something weird
[10:46] <PatrickDickey> savr: System 76 and ZaReason both offer Linux laptops.
[10:46] <kepler> it is shift \
[10:46] <kepler> should be under your backspace
[10:46] <kepler> or you can copy and paste that
[10:46] <nuftau> thanks.
[10:46] <savr> PatrickDickey: I can't pick those up in a store
[10:46] <jakepiano> copy and paste works too. :p
[10:46] <savr> plus I want an ultrabook with a touch screen
[10:47] <PatrickDickey> savr: Then you'll have to install it manually.
[10:47] <savr> I can do that easily
[10:47] <savr> I've been using linux for over a decade exclusively
[10:47] <savr> I'm no noob
[10:47] <jakepiano> kepler it gave me this. 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8162 Fast Ethernet (rev 08)
[10:47] <rigo> and... i downloaded the minimal cd from the site, and i havent got the tasksel window: http://i.stack.imgur.com/8yDRm.png
[10:47] <rigo> of corse not the server version but the one before by the 12.04
[10:47] <savr> ok... I think I'm just going to store and picking up whatever I can
[10:47] <kepler> ok, so it sees something there
[10:48] <rigo> so to have the minimal system opportunity i had to download the server version i see
[10:48] <savr> ok I'm off...
[10:48] <PatrickDickey> savr: You want to do some research first. Find out how to install it on one before you buy one.
[10:49] <jakepiano> yeah i know it works. i just have no clue how to do it on ubuntu
[10:49] <kepler> jakepiano, check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2050126
[10:51] <BillyZane> hello
[10:51] <ioria> rigo: downloadf from here http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[10:51] <BillyZane> well, my second computer crashed
[10:52] <rigo> :) i know this way. again: i need an offline way.
[10:52] <BillyZane> trying to get the ubuntu 12.10 live CD burnt
[10:52] <BillyZane> brb
[10:52] <Tex_Nick> jakepiano : have you clicked on the networking icon in indicator to see if networking is enabled
[10:52] <imazined> leave #marionette
[10:52] <jakepiano> Tex_Nick yes
[10:53] <jakepiano> kepler and yes thats helpful. i'll just need some help making sure i do the coding correctly here
[10:54] <jakepiano> for instance post number 4 on the last set of code
[10:54] <jakepiano> which goes in as one line?
[10:54] <kepler> modprobe alx ?
[10:54] <PatrickDickey> jakepiano: Are you on the computer now?
[10:55] <jakepiano> yes
[10:55] <Guest37030> compiz trouble!!!
[10:55] <kepler> assuming you're on that machine connected to wireless, start at the sudo apt-get thing
[10:55] <PatrickDickey> Copy and paste is your friend. ;)
[10:55] <kepler> that last block of code
[10:55] <kepler> c/p one at a time, should be ok
[10:56] <jakepiano> so in other words this...sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic build-essential...is one line of code and so on and so forth. not all this...sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic build-essential wget http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-3-stable/v3.5/compat-wireless-3.5.1-1-snpc.tar.bz2 tar -xf compat-wireless-3.5.1-1-snpc.tar.bz2 cd compat-wireless-3.5.1-1-snpc ./scripts/driver-select alx...is one line. corre
[10:57] <PatrickDickey> jakepiano: each line that you see in there, is one line. Nothing wraps inside of the code block.
[10:57] <jakepiano> ok excellent thats what i was wondering. thanks
[10:58] <PatrickDickey> And you want to do them one at a time, because after you do the sudo apt-get line, it prompts you for your password. If you copy all of them at once, you'll enter the second line as your password.
[10:58] <kepler> and i really doubt that is your password
[10:58]  * PatrickDickey would hate to type wget............. for a password. I have enough trouble with my current one.
[10:59] <Guest37030> compiz freezed my system many times,all i can do was poweroff my computer,shit!!!!
[10:59] <PatrickDickey> Guest37030: was it working at any point in time?
[10:59] <enzotib> hi, to make a textual installation (alternate is no more available) it is ok to use 12.10 server, then install ubuntu-desktop?
[11:00] <BillyZane> ok i'm back. i replaced the power supply of my PC
[11:00] <BillyZane> i'll be right back
[11:00] <BillyZane> switching computers
[11:00] <PatrickDickey> enzotib: you have to use server to do a minimal install, yes.
[11:00] <enzotib> thank you PatrickDickey
[11:01] <dr_willis> enzotib:  you can just use the text mode option to a desktop install to not load the login manager
[11:01] <dr_willis> enzotib:  ive found it easier to install services on a desktop instll. then convert a server install into a desktop
[11:01] <PatrickDickey> enzotib: Actually, ioria suggested http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD for a minimal cd.
[11:01] <Tex_Nick> Guest37030 : what distro
[11:01] <lester_> #join toonloop
[11:01] <tocacar> I've tried several times to install Ubuntu desktop (12.10 and 12.04 versions) in Oracle VirtualBox on Windows 8 - I get a weird bus error when the vobx first opens then the installer runs fine but when I restart, I'm prompted to install Ubuntu all over again :(  Any ideas?
[11:02] <lester_> join #toonloop
[11:02] <kepler> tocacar, run win8 in the vm, ubuntu as the host :D:D
[11:02] <dr_willis> tocacar:  Hmm. ive installed ubuntu dozens of times in vbox on windows 7.
[11:02] <PatrickDickey> lester, you need to type /join #toonloop
[11:02] <tocacar> dr_willis: this is windows 8
[11:02] <enzotib> PatrickDickey, i'm not looking for a minimal install, but for how to do what in 12.04 was the alternate cd, how to do in 12.10 something more or less equivalent
[11:02] <dr_willis> tocacar:   i dont see how that would really matter.
[11:02] <BillyZane> hello
[11:03] <BillyZane> what is the preferred way to install ubuntu, CD or USB?
[11:03] <lester_> thanks PatrickDickey
[11:03] <dr_willis> tocacar:  and i cant imagine what would say to install it over again. unless you left the install cd in the vortial disk drive
[11:03] <PatrickDickey> enzotib: Then my understanding is the server CD is what you want.
[11:03] <tocacar> kepler: haha - I even tried installing it as dual boot, but it gave me a scary 'windows failed to boot' black screen so I uninstalled that
[11:03] <enzotib> dr_willis, where is the text mode option?
[11:03] <BillyZane> i think i'll go with CD
[11:03] <dr_willis> BillyZane:  DVD for 12.10 or usb
[11:03] <dr_willis> !text | enzotib
[11:03] <MonkeyDu1t> tocacar  in the vbox settings, remove the iso from Storage
[11:03] <BillyZane> dr_willis, would a CD-R not suffice?
[11:03] <dr_willis> BillyZane:  DVD <<<<<    for 12.10 or usb
[11:03] <dr_willis> ;) no
[11:03] <tocacar> MonkeyDu1t: aah! ok, let me try that :)
[11:03] <kepler> win8 is the problem here, eliminate that and everything should work fine!
[11:03] <rigo> so. i put in the disk, start the system from dvd, press esc i get the "boot:" with prompt
[11:04] <BillyZane> dr_willis: it's just i'd rather not have to burn a DVD if i didn't have to
[11:04] <BillyZane> i think it will fit on a CD-R
[11:04] <rigo> i type in help -> F3 it sais: cli or expert for expert command line installation. i go out to the boot: prompt type in cli and it sais:
[11:04] <dr_willis> BillyZane:  then use USB - 12.10 will Not fit on a normal cd
[11:04] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: then USB is your only option. it's too big for a CD.
[11:04] <rigo> no kernel image: cli found.
[11:04] <BillyZane> it's 763mb ... i guess it's too big
[11:05]  * tocacar has to reinstall all over again first because I deleted my vm in a fit of peak :)
[11:05] <enzotib> dr_willis, but it will gives the command line only? how to start installation then?
[11:05] <BillyZane> umm.. i might have DVDs
[11:05] <Sietsem> Or you install 12.04 and then update to 12.10
[11:06] <BillyZane> you guys win, i'm pulling out a DVD :(
[11:06] <dr_willis> enzotib:  you use the GUI installer.. then have the actual install use text mode
[11:06] <dr_willis> BillyZane:  usb is the normal way and i find it a lot faster
[11:06] <PatrickDickey> rigo, it just boots to a boot: menu regardless of what you do, right?
[11:06] <dr_willis> Optical media - how old skool. :P
[11:07] <MonkeyDust> BillyZane  USB is 'the new normal'
[11:07] <PatrickDickey> Speaking of which, I need to update my Backtrack USB.
[11:07] <BillyZane> dr_willis: yeah but i have a really cheap USB drive, it's a transforming USB drive. however, i feel if i put it through too much "stress", it might fail on me
[11:08] <BillyZane> paranoia based on technological ignorance
[11:08]  * tocacar goes to clean the bathroom while the installer is running
[11:08] <rigo> i take pictures... please wait
[11:08] <BillyZane> secondly, i just like the idea of having an Ubuntu boot up disk
[11:09] <Ben64> rigo: you can't just type random things on a ubuntu disc and have it work
[11:09] <rigo> i know. thatswhy i type in what the HELP page sais.
[11:09] <rigo> it saied cli for command line install
[11:09] <Ben64> what help page
[11:09] <rigo> i show it please wait. i take some pics
[11:09] <Ben64> no, which help page
[11:10] <savr> PatrickDickey: I really experienced in this... don't worry. I have purchased about a dozen laptops to install linux on in my lifetime...
[11:11] <dr_willis> USB flash drives are dirt cheap... ive never had one die on me yet either..
[11:11] <dr_willis> Ive defainatly had issues burning disks and  them getting damaged
[11:11] <WXZ> is there anything besides gnome 2 which has panel apps?
[11:11] <killer> xfce
[11:12] <dr_willis> WXZ:  windowmaker has a huge amount of 'warf' applets/ ;)
[11:12] <PatrickDickey> savr: I'm not doubting you. The first link I found researching it sounded like it's not working. I just don't want you to buy an ultrabook, and find out that it won't work.
[11:12] <Ben64> dr_willis: i've had a flash drive die, 512MB :(
[11:12] <dr_willis> wxz or just use a dock
[11:12] <butviktor> UEFI  better or not?
[11:12] <dr_willis> Ben64:  when was this? 1812? ;)
[11:12] <WXZ> dr_willis: ok
[11:12] <savr> ok bye...
[11:13]  * PatrickDickey had a couple of thumb drives die also a few years ago. San Disk cheap ones
[11:13] <kepler> that dude was pretty abrasive.
[11:13] <butviktor> any point?
[11:13] <PatrickDickey> He'll be back.
[11:13] <skp1> my dog chewed up a flash drive
[11:14] <PatrickDickey> butviktor: It's more updated and modern than BIOS. But whether it's better or not is a matter of opinion.
[11:14] <kepler> jakepiano_, any luck with that ethernet?
[11:14] <Tex_Nick> BillyZane : 12.10 has grown out of it's diapers and is now just barely larger than a CD ... in the future you might want to use DVD-RW's ... although they are a little more expensive
[11:14] <dr_willis> skp1 i had a grandson chew through a Cat5 Cable. ;)
[11:14] <ni291187> hi
[11:14] <butviktor> can ubuntu installable with UEFI?
[11:14] <ni291187> this is billy zany typing from my ipad
[11:15] <jakepiano_> i was just about to report on that actually. yes as soon as i hit the last command it connected. thanks!
[11:15] <ctsck> hi guys
[11:15] <dr_willis> butviktor:  yes - it should be
[11:15] <kepler> sweet
[11:15] <PatrickDickey> butviktor: Unless it's an ARM (Secure Boot) tablet. Then, thank Microsoft for it not working.
[11:15] <ctsck> i want make a friend
[11:15] <ni291187> errr... yeah. billyzane is me. I will attempt an install soon
[11:15] <BillyZane> hi, i gotta restart for this
[11:16] <MonkeyDust> ctsck  type /join #ubuntu-offtopic for social chat
[11:16] <Tex_Nick> dr_willis : lol the neighbor's dog chewed through xmas tree light cord ... they buried him :(
[11:16] <rigo> soo
[11:16] <BillyZane> PatrickDickey and or dr_willis, i'm about to restart so the only way i can contact you guys is through the install CD or the ipad as a backup
[11:16] <BillyZane> are you guys going to be up ?
[11:16] <BillyZane> i can't sleep, i'm cracking out on this
[11:16] <dr_willis> theres dozens here to help install. and it shouldent be that hard.
[11:16] <PatrickDickey> BillyZane: I'll be up for another hour or two. I work nights, and it's only 5:16 am here.
[11:17] <dr_willis> you could een do a test install in virtualbox if you wanted
[11:17] <BillyZane> ok, ty
[11:17] <BillyZane> dr_willis, i have
[11:17] <BillyZane> now i want MOAR
[11:17] <MonkeyDust> BillyZane  due to different time zones, this channel never sleeps
[11:17] <BillyZane> I NEED MORE!
[11:17] <BillyZane> that's true
[11:17] <BillyZane> sigh.. is this goodbye to windows?
[11:17] <BillyZane> i really like windows tbh
[11:18] <dr_willis> I could have had Ubuntu isntalled about 8 times by now BillyZane .....
[11:18] <rigo> i can explain it better now.
[11:18] <dr_willis> windows would take me 3 days to get set up right
[11:19] <BillyZane> ok guys, i'm closing out everything
[11:19] <butviktor> i have meet some kind of laptops can only boot with ubuntu? can not even install windows 8.why?cdrom usb just can't install other os? what the....
[11:19] <dr_willis> and you can IRC from the installer's live dvd desktop BillyZane
[11:19] <dr_willis> Ive never seen or heard of a laptop that can only boot with ubuntu.
[11:20] <dr_willis> i would be doubtfull if anyone makes such a thing
[11:20] <PatrickDickey> Might have been an older laptop.
[11:20] <BillyZane> i'll still be here by virtue of the VNC
[11:20] <BillyZane> i'll be talking throuhg...
[11:20] <ni291187> hi
[11:20] <BillyZane> that dude
[11:20] <BillyZane> ok, brb
[11:21] <butviktor> no, all new with UEFI.
[11:22] <genteor> hello fellas!on my ubuntu 12.04 seems that some applets don't run due to missin' java plugin. what packages should I install please?
[11:22] <PatrickDickey> butviktor: Then it probably didn't have secureboot enabled or something like that. Otherwise it should have installed Windows 8. The only issues that I've heard of are ARM tablets, because you're not supposed to be able to bypass SecureBoot.
[11:22] <butviktor> any one know that?
[11:22] <dr_willis> !java | genteor
[11:23] <butviktor> x86 intel only boot ubuntu.yeah only!
[11:24] <butviktor> there is no opinions for other os to boot!
[11:24] <dr_willis> butviktor:  i would have to see such a thing to belive it.. its not really an Ubuntu related support question either. ;)
[11:24] <rigo> at this point i press escape: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/dscf6646q.jpg/
[11:25] <rigo> dont look at the homer simpson bed :D
[11:25] <butviktor> i am using one of them now!
[11:25] <rigo> i get this: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/dscf6647e.jpg/
[11:25] <rigo> than i type help at the boot: prompt. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/dscf6651e.jpg/
[11:25]  * tocacar restarts and hopes to get it working this time...
[11:25] <rigo> i get this http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/dscf6652.jpg/
[11:26] <rigo> press f3 http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/dscf6653x.jpg/
[11:26] <rigo> enter cli and i get http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/dscf6654ed.jpg/
[11:26] <beboj> can anyone help me to solve that issue - http://askubuntu.com/questions/235859/running-sierra-wireless-gobi-2000-under-ubuntu
[11:26] <rigo> got the point?
[11:27] <Ben64> rigo: like i asked you twice, which help page
[11:27] <rigo> like i show it on the picture thisone: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/dscf6652.jpg/
[11:28] <MonkeyDust> rigo  havent followed - what were you doing prior to that page?
[11:29] <butviktor> i know it not normal ,you don't even believe it,but can any one can help me install other os on it ? thanks.
[11:29] <tocacar> OK, how do I remove the .iso file from storage in Oracle VBox? I see it under 'Controller:IDE' in Settings/Storage, but not how to remove it
[11:29] <ShapeShifter499> I have a powerbook g4 running Ubuntu 12.04 and I'm wondering if I can have my system boot straight to xbmc and not load the desktop for optimal ram
[11:29] <rigo> at the startup i press esc, go out to a command line mode where i can see only a prompt: boot: where i type help
[11:29] <ShapeShifter499> And if so, how would I do that?
[11:29] <PatrickDickey> butviktor: You have Ubuntu installed, and are trying to install Windows 8. What errors do you get when you boot to the LiveCD/USB?
[11:30] <PatrickDickey> rigo, why are you pressing escape?
[11:30] <ni291187> are you guys aware of the intel 3770k fan problem? I'm fingering my CPU fan in an attempt to get it to spin
[11:30] <tocacar> ok, right clicking and removing attachment seems to have removed it.. I am now starting my Ubuntu vbox.. fingers crossed
[11:30] <rigo> cause i only want to install a small command line system
[11:31] <butviktor> no boot opinions show, UEFI only have one boot: ubuntu .nothing else!
[11:31] <tocacar> ..and its looking good..  WOOHOO! It's working
[11:31] <PatrickDickey> Hit Enter, and at the first screen, hit F4. That should bring up the option to do a minimal install.
[11:31] <rigo> it doesnt. wait i take a picture :D
[11:31] <MonkeyDust> !yay| tocacar
[11:31] <tocacar> HUGE thanks to everyone who helped me! :)
[11:31] <dr_willis> tocacar:  might be worth the time reading the vbox manual also. ;)
[11:31] <PatrickDickey> rigo, you downloaded the Minimal installation one, or the Server one?
[11:31] <tocacar> Now off to install Apache, PHP and MySQL - have a great day guys
[11:31] <tocacar> bye
[11:31] <ni291187> ok, I should be booting up soon
[11:32] <tocacar> for(h0me)
[11:32] <tocacar> crap
[11:32] <butviktor> i am not joke,it is ture!
[11:32] <PatrickDickey> ni291187: Let us know when you get to the screen that I showed you (where it finds your other operating system).
[11:32] <PatrickDickey> butviktor: does it say GRUB at the top, by chance?
[11:32] <ni291187> ok
[11:32] <CrByte> I am thinking about installing ubuntu on my macbook air as the only OS if its supported does anyone know if it runs well on Ubuntu 12.10? if so is there post install software that needs to be installed?
[11:33] <iceroot> !mac | CrByte
[11:33] <Ben64> rigo: you can't do that on desktop disc
[11:33] <azrael_> Hi everyone, I've a problem with the ath9k driver for my Atheros AR9285 controller. The signal is very very low even if I'm near the AP and the connection is very unstable. Any idea?
[11:33] <rigo> oh. i c.
[11:33] <butviktor> no grub shows,it is i never seen before
[11:33] <PatrickDickey> rigo:  you need to download the server installation disc. The "minimal Install" one will install a desktop.
[11:33] <rigo> than i download the server version. is there any difference between the server and the desktop version?
[11:34] <ni291187> Patrick, should I click try Ubuntu in order to get irc working, or will I be able to access irc during installation regardless?
[11:34] <killer>  i am unable to connect to adhoc created by my  frnd ...i m using b43 and i can connect to ad hoc using windows on same machine
[11:34] <PatrickDickey> The server is more geared for a minimal installation, because typically servers aren't used as desktops.... Except for mine. :P
[11:34] <iceroot> rigo: the server does not have a gui by default
[11:34] <iceroot> rigo: rest is the same
[11:34] <rigo> thats my stuff! thanks :)
[11:35] <rigo> gosh.. it was a bit hard because of my poor english. sorry. and thanks for the help again.
[11:35] <PatrickDickey> ni291187: I'd do the Try Ubuntu, then come in here. Then open the installer on the desktop.
[11:35] <rigo> now i can mess up the system in every 10 minutes and reinstall it :))
[11:35] <PatrickDickey> No problem rigo.
[11:35] <PatrickDickey> what's your first language, out of curiosity?
[11:36] <rigo> hungarian. than german and english. a bit spanish dutch and french.
[11:36] <butviktor> chinese
[11:36] <ni291187> I'm at the something else screen!
[11:36] <Assurbanipal> hi guys,is there a trusted ppa for latest chromium?I look around in internet and find some repos from unknown maintaners that i do not know and trust.What's the best way to have a latest stable chromium in ubuntu?
[11:36] <PatrickDickey> ok ni291187.  Or you can download Google Chrome.
[11:37] <rigo> and i cant deal with ubuntu... just great. :D
[11:37] <ni291187> I see 2 ntdf drives, which is good, I see a free unmessed with segment
[11:37] <Assurbanipal> PatrickDickey: is the one in ubuntu repos the latest stable?
[11:37] <butviktor> anyone can help me?please
[11:37] <CrByte> iceroot: looking at that wiki page it does not list any of the 2012 models under the supported list so would that mean its not going to work very well?
[11:38] <PatrickDickey> I'll let you know in a minute Assurbanipal.
[11:38] <ni291187> I will be typing weird stuff due to ipad nonsense
[11:38] <PatrickDickey> hungarian | rigo
[11:38] <xiaoy> butviktor, what's the problem?
[11:38] <iceroot> CrByte: i dont know, luckily i dont own this strange apple-stuff
[11:38] <butviktor> can only boot ubuntu no boot can other os!!!
[11:38] <genteor> ubottu:thx!
[11:39] <PatrickDickey> Assurbanipal: Version 22.0.1229.94 Ubuntu 12.10 (161065)
[11:39] <dr_willis> butviktor:  booting is differnt than 'installing'   so clarify what you mean
[11:39] <PatrickDickey> ni291187: click on the free unallocated space, and create your partitions there.
[11:39] <rigo> sadly im not an englishman or american or german. i wouldnt sit here for 1700 monthly. :)
[11:39] <butviktor> no opitions to boot from cdrom and usb,what should i do?
[11:40] <coder2> hey guys on decreasing screen brightness my dell studio laptop shows random bars, can anyone help?
[11:40] <ni291187> I see a + button on the left side, should I click that?
[11:40] <PatrickDickey> rigo, there is a hungarian language room also. Just in case you need help that we can't provide.
[11:40] <Assurbanipal> butviktor: for that you have to check the settings in your bios menu
[11:40] <PatrickDickey> ni291187: yes.
[11:40] <PatrickDickey> ni291187: Make sure you've clicked on the unallocated space first though.
[11:40] <butviktor> it is UEFI!!ok?
[11:41] <sonda> i know C,C++.  I want to write my own application in ubuntu
[11:41] <sonda> can someone help me get started with ubuntu
[11:41] <butviktor> i checked but still no
[11:41] <rigo> gr8 thanks. my experience is that i get help faster in english the common language :)
[11:41] <PatrickDickey> butviktor: what kind of computer is it? Make and model.
[11:41] <PatrickDickey> manual | sonda
[11:41] <coder2> sonda, google ubuntu quickly
[11:41] <ni291187> interesting, I can place the partition at the end of the space, being able to locate the space is useful when resizing
[11:41] <PatrickDickey> !manual | sonda
[11:41] <ioria> sonda : install gcc g++
[11:42] <ioria> sonda : then geany or code blocks or anjuta
[11:42] <MonkeyDust> sonda  ##c++ and #ubuntu-app-devel
[11:42] <ni291187> Patrick, should it be logical or primary
[11:42] <butviktor> i buy it last month
[11:42] <PatrickDickey> ni291187: Try primary for /. It depends on how many "Primary partitions" you have right now though.
[11:42] <butviktor> before this month
[11:43] <ni291187> I think primary is best too...
[11:43] <PatrickDickey> butviktor: The reason I'm asking for the brand and model, is so I can make sure of how to boot to the DVD.
[11:43] <sonda> thanks guys.  You probably won't ever use that much for /. Maybe go 50G for / since you don't know how much you'll need for your projects.
[11:45] <ni291187> ok, I give 60 :)
[11:46] <PatrickDickey> sonda, it's a user manual. If you want a developer's, I'd say go to #ubuntu-app-devel like MonkeyDust suggested.
[11:46] <sonda> oh ok
[11:46] <srhb> xdg-open on a magnet links seems to just open a new chromium window for me. What might be the cause?
[11:46] <greg> Hi guys, I wan to access /var/www via FTP and SMB, any suggests for rights/configuration of vsftp/samba?
[11:46] <butviktor> sorry, it is not safe here, so i just want to ask have anyone meet this situation before?
[11:46] <MonkeyDust> greg  ubuntu server?
[11:47] <PatrickDickey> srhb: do you have a client installed for magnet links?
[11:47] <greg> MonkeyDust: yeah, lts version
[11:47] <srhb> PatrickDickey: Yes, Deluge.
[11:47] <MonkeyDust> greg  they have their own channel    #ubuntu-server
[11:47] <greg> MonkeyDust: ty
[11:47] <ni291187> how much for home?
[11:47] <ni291187> 100?
[11:48] <PatrickDickey> butviktor: no, I've never had that situation. My suggestion is google something like booting (brand and model of computer) from DVD.
[11:48] <ni291187> I feel like a billionaire
[11:48] <dr_willis> dient we have a huge disussion about the partion sizes earlier? ;)
[11:48] <ni291187> 100 billion bytes!
[11:48] <PatrickDickey> ni291187: I'd say at least 200.
[11:48] <ni291187> ok
[11:48] <MonkeyDust> ni291187  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes
[11:48] <ni291187> primary as well
[11:48] <PatrickDickey> ni291187: logical
[11:48] <ni291187> ok...
[11:48] <ni291187> ext4 right?
[11:49] <PatrickDickey> ni291187: You're only allowed four primary partitions, so you don't want to waste them.
[11:49] <PatrickDickey> ni291187: yes ext4.
[11:49] <dr_willis> You can have up to 4 primary partitions. One of those can be a Extended that can hold a great many logicals.
[11:49] <ni291187> good point
[11:49] <butviktor> will thank you friend,iwill try
[11:49] <dr_willis> of course with GPT this dosent apply i belive. ;)
[11:49] <PatrickDickey> butviktor: you said you speak chinese normally, right?
[11:49] <ni291187> done and done
[11:50] <ni291187> should I click install no?
[11:50] <butviktor> yes i am chinses
[11:50] <ni291187> now
[11:50] <PatrickDickey> !chinese | butviktor
[11:50] <butviktor> chinese
[11:50] <PatrickDickey> Might be more helpful for you.
[11:50] <srhb> How do I probe xdg for which application it wants to pick in order to open a given link?
[11:50] <PatrickDickey> ni291187: Yes.
[11:50] <dr_willis> ni291187:  go for it.. its the only way you will learn. ;)
[11:50] <butviktor> oh,thanks
[11:50] <ni291187> ok
[11:50] <PatrickDickey> And you're off to the races. ;)
[11:51] <CarstenG> !manual
[11:51] <ni291187> it's now complaining about swap
[11:51] <dr_willis> You gaveit a swap partion of type swap?
[11:51] <PatrickDickey> I see you woke up Carsten. :D
[11:51] <qqqqq> Are there any TSL/SSL/https experts here?
[11:51] <butviktor> sorry for my english
[11:51] <PatrickDickey> butviktor: Not a problem.
[11:51] <ni291187> it's installing!!,!, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!,
[11:52] <PatrickDickey> qqqqq: It probably depends on what you need.
[11:52] <qqqqq> I would like to know what an observer can see when one uses an https connection in the browser.
[11:52] <PatrickDickey> qqqqq: in theory, a bunch of gibberish.
[11:52] <butviktor> see you nest time bye!
[11:52] <alimj> qqqqq: IP of user, IP of server
[11:52] <qqqqq> Can he see what file is being accessed in a domain?
[11:52] <alimj> qqqq: some garbage
[11:52] <zlatko> I have problem with PA Jack Sink. Can anyone help?
[11:52] <srhb> Alright, figured it out. xdg-mime query default "x-scheme-handler/magnet" does indeed say deluge.desktop, but it still doesn't work.
[11:52] <alimj> qqqqq: They can not even see URL
[11:52] <ni291187> should I encrypt home folder?
[11:52] <qqqqq> alimj, why not?
[11:53] <dr_willis> ni291187:  i wouldent. unless its a laptop you are afraid might stolen
[11:53] <PatrickDickey> ni291187: I normally don't. I'd say until you've played around, no.
[11:53] <dr_willis> and you have state secrets on it
[11:53] <ni291187> ok, Ty
[11:53] <alimj> qqqqqqq: Because even the HTTPS header that contains URL is encrypted
[11:53]  * PatrickDickey keeps all of the State Secrets on my server
[11:54] <dr_willis> I used to keep them on that server the gov shutdown. ;)
[11:54] <dr_willis> so now the gov cant get their own secrets.
[11:54] <qqqqq> For example can my Internet provider see that I access the file niceinfo.html on https://www.newssite.somedomain/somepath/niceinfo.html ?
[11:54] <ni291187> lol
[11:54] <PatrickDickey> Wikileaks?
[11:54] <alimj> q^5: No
[11:55] <alimj> q^5: But if you want to have the maximum security and privacy, use Onion routing
[11:55] <qqqqq> alimj, so the Internet provider can only see that I access the IP but not the path?
[11:55] <PatrickDickey> qqqqq: The only people who should be able to see what page/file you accessed are you, and maybe the server that hosts the page/file. But, I don't even think the server would keep track of that, since it's a SECURED connection.
[11:56] <kmicu> Some disk usage indicator exists? Short visual feedback that I can put on top panel or desktop instead of typing df in terminal? ;)
[11:56] <ni291187> are drivers going to be an issue for me? I have new hardware
[11:56] <dr_willis> kmicu:  a lot of people use conky for that. its on the desktop however.
[11:56] <PatrickDickey> ni291187: They might. But most of the newer hardware is supported.
[11:56] <dr_willis> kmicu:  or use 'watch df -h' in a terminal   ;P
[11:57] <kmicu> conky is an overkill for visual df
[11:57]  * PatrickDickey uses conky for it
[11:57] <alimj> q^5: Yes, they can see that you are communicating with that server, but they will have no idea about the content
[11:57] <qqqqq> But when I access https://www.newssite.somedomain/somepath/niceinfo.html directly this request goes through DNS first.
[11:57] <dr_willis> you can use conky to run  df and have it on the desktop in big Pink fonts!
[11:57] <riddlebox> what is the bug in 12.10 that stops the broadcom-sta driver from installing correctly? It works from the live cd but after you install it quits and you cannot install it?