[07:23] <jamespage> coreycb: I took the decision to demote python3-redis to a suggests for python-tooz at runtime - the new version was pulling in extra deps and I know we don't make use of this backend by default
[11:57] <ahasenack> sarnold: great points!
[11:57] <ahasenack> I will show other methods too, like netplan and perhaps systemd-networkd
[11:58] <ahasenack> I'll go over them in detail now
[12:04] <ahasenack> reboot, brb
[12:17] <coreycb> jamespage: sounds good, thanks
[12:18] <jamespage> np
[12:27] <athos> sergiodj: o/ FYI sbcl bootstrap is complete. I am now (no-change) rebuilding the reverse dependencies so we get them in ppc64el as well
[13:17] <sergiodj> athos: awesome!
[13:50] <holmanb> ahasenack: Just a quick comment about peer-to-site-wg-on-router.md, which has the following statement: "Of course, this setup is only possible if you can install software on the router. Most of the time, when it's provided by your ISP, you can't. But some ISPs allow their device to be put in a bridge mode, in which case you can use your own device (a computer, or a Raspberry PI, or something else) as the routing device."
[13:51] <ahasenack> holmanb: yes?
[13:51] <holmanb> Since this is in the context of home networks, I think a comment about port forwarding would make sense here.
[13:51] <ahasenack> holmanb: when it's on the router itself, port forwarding isn't necessary. It is in the next section, though, where I will talk about installing wg on some existing device inside the network
[13:53] <ahasenack> if you put the ISP-provided router in bridge mode, and use, say, a pi4 as the gateway, the "real" ipv4 address will be on the pi4
[13:53] <ahasenack> so again, no port forwarding necessary
[13:57] <holmanb> Right, I understand that it is not necessary from a technical point of view in that case. I wanted to make a comment because managing a home firewall exposed to the internet in place of an ISPs device and port forwarding through an isp's device to a pi4 wireguard server just have different attack surfaces (and levels of required maintenance), so I thought it was worth mentioning both for the user to decide what they think is
[13:57] <holmanb> best.
[13:57] <holmanb> But it sounds like you'll have a section on that anyways. I just didn't see mention of it in that document so wanted to bring it up
[17:16] <FortunateSon> hello all!  I'm looking for a good tutorial (preferably text) on setting up a samba share with active directory backend authentication on ubuntu 14. (its old, I know) My google-fu is failing me.  Any help is appreciated.
[17:23] <sarnold> hmm, looks like the wayback machine doesn't have any captures of the docs page from that era
[17:38] <genii> This tutorial is still around https://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Ubuntu_14.04&p=samba&f=4
[18:56] <ahasenack> holmanb: correct, it's to be written yet. THere is a place holder for it in that git repo, but just with some thoughts for now
[18:56] <ahasenack> thanks for the reminder, I'll definitely cover port forwarding
[20:48] <holmanb> ahasenack: +1 sounds good, thanks!
[21:26] <ahasenack> I'm confused, shouldn't this chgrp have worked? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/k4B7Vqzy4t/
[21:28] <znf> why would the user `syslog` have the rights to change the group to `adm` ?
[21:29] <ahasenack> because the syslog user is a member of the adm group
[21:31] <ahasenack> works on jammy: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/K97GcT63fC/
[21:31] <ahasenack> earlier was a focal container on a jammy host, I'm trying a real focal vm now just for kicks
[21:32] <ahasenack> heh, in a focal vm it worked
[21:32] <ahasenack> wth
[21:32] <ahasenack> why do I keep finding the odd ones
[21:32] <ahasenack> sarnold: any idea on the above? My first pastebin?
[21:32] <ahasenack> focal lxd on jammy host
[21:33] <ahasenack> found it because I noticed my focal lxd had /var/log/syslog (the file) as syslog:syslog, instead of the usual syslog:adm
[21:33] <ahasenack> and presto, rsyslogd was complaining in the log that it couldn't change the ownership of /var/log/syslog
[21:41] <ahasenack> hm, I'm seeing that in all my containers
[21:43] <sdeziel> ahasenack: I cannot reproduce on either Focal nor Jammy containers (with LXD 5.0 snap and HWE kernel 5.15 if that matters)
[21:43] <ahasenack> thx
[21:43] <ahasenack> wondering if /etc/sub{uid,gid} might be involved
[21:44] <sdeziel> ahasenack: I'm not tweaking those but LXD's snap doesn't use them AFAIK
[21:47] <ahasenack> sdeziel: what kernel is the host on?
[21:47] <ahasenack> I have 5.15.0-41
[21:47] <ahasenack> (running)
[21:47] <ravage> i have that running too
[21:48] <ravage> downloading the focal container. can test it in a minute
[21:49] <sdeziel> ahasenack: same kernel (5.15.0-41-generic #44~20.04.1-Ubuntu)
[21:49] <ravage> works just fine in focal
[21:49]  * ahasenack scratches head
[21:49] <ahasenack> at least it will be some interesting troubleshooting
[21:49] <sdeziel> ahasenack: I have `snap list lxd` 5.0.0-b0287c1  22923
[21:50] <ravage> lxd   5.3-91e042b  23270  latest/stable  canonical✓
[21:52] <ravage> (jammy works too)
[21:53] <ahasenack> same here
[21:53] <ahasenack> this is a fresh jammy install, from last Sunday
[21:54] <ahasenack> it's not just a focal lxd, looks like any lxd that I'm creating fresh
[21:54] <ahasenack> telltale is /var/log/syslog owned by syslog:syslog instead of syslog:adm
[21:54] <ahasenack> weird
[21:54] <ahasenack> and interesting
[21:55] <ahasenack> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/qHcjGXJ4tp/
[21:56] <ahasenack> 972   fchownat(AT_FDCWD, "/var/log/syslog", -1, 4, 0) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)
[21:56] <ahasenack> fascinating
[21:57] <ahasenack> # sudo -u syslog id
[21:57] <ahasenack> uid=104(syslog) gid=111(syslog) groups=111(syslog),4(adm)
[21:57] <ahasenack> it's 7pm here, I'll think about it tomorrow
[21:57] <ahasenack> cya
[21:58] <ravage> bye
[21:58] <ahasenack> ohh
[21:58] <ahasenack> found something
[21:58] <ahasenack> even weirder
[21:58] <ravage> heh
[21:59] <ahasenack> ah, n/m
[21:59] <ahasenack> mistake
[21:59] <ahasenack> as I said, 7pm
[22:28] <sarnold> ahasenack: wow, sorry I missed your chgrp question -- that's *really* confusing though :) good job :)


[00:03] <kwmonroe> yeah bdx, i need to think about it a bit.  one the one hand, you *could* just have the datanode storage dir set to a specific place.  but we do put other stuff in there, like namenode bits, cache, checkpoint data, etc.  so maybe it makes more sense to have a single storage option for "/var/lib/hadoop-hdfs" that lives in the bigtop base layer, rather than "/var/lib/hadoop-hdfs/cache/$user/dfs/data" that would live in the
[00:03] <kwmonroe> datanode layer.
[00:28] <bdx> bundles don't support storage do they?
[00:30] <bdx> kwmonroe: I think all you need is https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-hadoop-datanode/blob/add_hdfs_storage/reactive/datanode.py#L14,L16 and https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-hadoop-datanode/blob/add_hdfs_storage/reactive/datanode.py#L64,L69
[00:30] <bdx> ^ may get it real close, going to find a way to test this
[00:36] <kwmonroe> sweeeet bdx!  i like how simple that is versus exposing the hdfs-site.xml config.
[00:37] <kwmonroe> i also like how i didn't have to write anything ;)
[00:37] <kwmonroe> $40 coming to you at the next summit
[00:38] <bdx> well, I mean
[00:38] <bdx> write me a bundle that uses storage
[00:38] <bdx> ahah
[00:38] <bdx> :)
[00:39] <bdx> I've never seen storage in a bundle I don't think
[00:40] <bdx> possibly ill just deploy the bigdata bundle with my built charm inplace of the hadoop-slave that coems with the bundle
[00:40] <bdx> then just add the storage following the bundle deploy
[00:46] <kwmonroe> bdx: looks like the storage key is valid in a bundle: https://github.com/juju/charm/blob/v6/bundledata_test.go#L41
[00:46] <kwmonroe> but i haven't personally seen bundles with storage either
[00:47] <bdx> oh, thats what I was looking for
[00:48] <bdx> so for what I'm doing it would be
[00:48] <bdx> storage:
[00:48] <bdx>   hdfs: ebs,10G
[00:48] <bdx> ill try it out
[00:53] <bdx> applications:
[00:53] <bdx>   postgresql:
[00:53] <bdx>     charm: cs:postgresql-171
[00:53] <bdx>     num_units: 1
[00:53] <bdx>     series: xenial
[00:53] <bdx>     storage:
[00:53] <bdx>       pgdata: ebs,10G
[00:53] <bdx> boom
[01:14] <kwmonroe> nice
[01:14] <kwmonroe> bdx: i need to head out, but thanks a lot for making my dreams come true.  have a good weekend!!
[01:15] <bdx> kwmonroe: backatcha
[01:15] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D5KtMbDGnP/
[01:15] <bdx> working bundle^
[01:15] <bdx> ill pr that in a few
[01:15] <bdx> thanks again


[23:35] <sig_white> FWIW, it didn't prevent GRUB from being installed "properly" (i.e. I reboot and see GRUB in non-secure UEFI mode), so maybe that error doesn't really have any impact other than marking the package as not being installed correctly.
[23:35] <nimdAHK> Can I replace my existing partition setup (/, /home, swap) with one extended partition?
[23:36] <ubuntivity> gotta go eat, good bye :)
[23:36] <ubuntivity> quit hungry
[23:36] <zykotic10> nimdAHK: one extended, and at least 3 logical drives!  BUT, grub and fstab won't be happy!  you'll need to reinstall/and rescan grub!
[23:37] <sig_white> holstein: Oh, just an aside: is it possible to install Ubuntu's root partition on sdb instead of sda? Windows is on sda, but sdb is an SSD, so that'd be neat.
[23:37] <holstein> sig_white: im not clear how you are booting the system without grub
[23:37] <nimdAHK> zykotic10: right. Can I do it in-place?
[23:37] <sig_white> holstein: Depends on what you mean by "the system". Windows 8 is still installed.
[23:37] <holstein> sig_white: you can install whatever you want where ever you want (or are allowed)
[23:37] <syn-ack> sig_white: This is why Secure Boot is evil
[23:38] <zykotic10> nimdAHK: if you're hitting the 4 partition limit on MS-DOS - then that is what you might want to do.  BUT - personally, i think resizing partitions is insanity (have a backup!) - good luck
[23:38] <sig_white> syn-ack: Don't tell me. Tell Microsoft.
[23:38] <akronix> i've a very annoying issue with the wireless card of my netbook (samsung n150), it doesn't work cause driver is not installed. I've installed jockey and It has found the driver, I press to activate it and It prompts error:
[23:38] <syn-ack> sig_white: you do have Secure Boot disabled, right? Otherwise you'll need a signed kernel.
[23:38] <nimdAHK> zykotic10: I know what I want to do
[23:38] <nimdAHK> the problem is how
[23:38] <holstein> sig_white: micorsoft made the hardware? its likely a vendor, and there is probably a way to turn off what is causing you trouble
[23:38] <zykotic10> nimdAHK: "in place" is probably not possible - but i could be wrong?!?
[23:38] <sig_white> syn-ack: FWIW, if I had known this I'd probably waited for the Chromebook Pixel rather than buying a Dell.
[23:38] <akronix> 2013-07-25 01:31:18,953 DEBUG: BroadcomWLHandler enabled(): kmod disabled, bcm43xx: blacklisted, b43: blacklisted, b43legacy: blacklisted
[23:39] <sig_white> holstein: Isn't secure boot basically Microsoft's idea / pet?
[23:39] <syn-ack> sig_white: did you go into the EFI console and disable Secure Boot?
[23:39] <wilee-nilee> !broadcom | akronix
[23:39] <syn-ack> sig_white: ues
[23:39] <syn-ack> yes
[23:39] <akronix> i'm under xubuntu, but previously I had fuduntu and this card worked perfectly
[23:39] <holstein> sig_white: if you have an issue with the hardware config, you'll need to ask the hardware manufacturer.. not microsoft
[23:39] <zykotic10> akronix: "blacklisted" means the driver doesn't get loaded
[23:40] <holstein> !broadcom | akronix
[23:40] <sig_white> syn-ack: Yeah, I did all that. It might not even be a UEFI issue at this point, as I has been pointed out to me.
[23:40] <syn-ack> sig_white: cleared the TPM?
[23:40] <w30> akronix, I had a problem like that with broadcom drivers. There is dependency problems. I solved it by wiring up and then using synaptic to install the broadcom driver plus the dependencys
[23:40] <syn-ack> Update the EFI Firmware?
[23:41] <sig_white> What seems weird to me, however: when I booted into the live cd in legacy boot mode it worked just fine, so how could nomodeset have anything to do with it?
[23:41] <w30> akronix, then remove the wire and connect with the radio *smile*
[23:41] <holstein> sig_white: that was me going off of what i read, which was different from waht is happening
[23:41] <sig_white> I'm fairly certain Ubuntu and GRUB would work just fine if I skipped UEFI altogether and installed both in legacy mode. Well, except GRUB exploded when I tried that.
[23:41] <holstein> sig_white: you have a complex issue, and getting the details straight will be key
[23:42] <akronix> w30: but how Can I say the name of the driver and dependency for type it in synaptic??
[23:42] <holstein> sig_white: for example, you say grub failed to install, but you have an issue with the installed grub.. that is interesting to me, and unclear
[23:42] <msl09> \join #debian
[23:42] <holstein> akronix: you can refer to the link i gave for the package name
[23:42] <syn-ack> sig_white: with UEFI, you NEED to install it in EFI mode. Legacy mode won't work like it does in EFI
[23:42] <akronix> now I'm using an external antena for wifi
[23:42] <holstein> !broadcom > akronix
[23:43] <sig_white> holstein: Oh, okay. Well, the reason this sounds inconsistent is that I'm describing what I did throughout the course of maybe 8 hours and I had different results through different courses of action.
[23:43] <holstein> sig_white: if you can boot the live system, and have no graphics issues, then you likely have no graphics support issues
[23:43] <w30> akronix, First of all have you got a broadcom wireless chip?
[23:43] <akronix> ok, thanks ubottu I'm going to see it
[23:43] <holstein> sig_white: what would i do? disable all of that as possible
[23:43] <akronix> w30: yes, 433X
[23:43] <akronix> 4322X sorry*
[23:44] <syn-ack> sig_white: What it sounds like is happening is that, even though you turned Secure Boot off, it's not.
[23:44] <syn-ack> it's expecting it's keys, which you don't have.
[23:44] <w30> akronix, synaptic finds the broadcom driver .deb by entering "broadcom" in search
[23:45] <wilee-nilee> sig_white, Do you have windows backed up, or feel comfortable if this whole thing goes south?
[23:45] <sig_white> holstein: I tried that. Disabled UEFI ("legacy mode"), installed grub-pc, rebooted: bam, all kinds of weird crap (it threw me into a fancy GUI for a second then just showed me a test pattern of colored bars and froze).
[23:45] <syn-ack> Right, the EFI console.
[23:45] <s00pcan> can anyone suggest a cli/curses program/package to configure wifi+dhcp? thanks
[23:45] <holstein> sig_white: with UEFI disabled is the way to start
[23:45] <s00pcan> I used wifi-menu on arch-linux but eh can't find it
[23:45] <syn-ack> sig_white: I'd really have to see it in person for this one
[23:46] <euxneks> how do I disable certain pidgin notifications? I have a person on my buddies list that is constantly logging in and out for some weird reason and it's really irritating
[23:46] <w30> akronix, then just check the broadcom selection and synaptic drags some other stuff. just relax and let it have it's way with you
[23:46] <holstein> sig_white: if you installed, and took updates, then you have installed a different kernel than what was on the live CD, which could be, again, not supporting your graphics card
[23:46] <sig_white> wilee-nilee: "comfortable"? Not really. All important stuff is in the cloud (can't believe I said that with a straight face) so all the rest is basically fluff, but I don't have a full data backup and don't have a physical recovery disk.
[23:46] <w30> akronix, heheh
[23:46] <euxneks> oh wait I found it under plugins with libnotify> configure plugin
[23:47] <wilee-nilee> sig_white, Really, the recovery is on board burn one, and make an image, that would have been my first question, cover your booty. ;)
[23:47] <holstein> i agree. if win8 is important, clone or back it up
[23:48] <sig_white> wilee-nilee: I'm a self-employed web dev. The notebook is my office. I don't really want to have to wipe it at any point.
[23:48] <holstein> sig_white: that hard drive *will* fail.. so plan for that, and you will be covered for anything that might happen here
[23:48] <wilee-nilee> sig_white, understandable, however if it gets beyond repair what will you do?
[23:49] <MichaelP> Looking on google for away to make apt-get install packages faster..  Thats not what im wanting.. Wanting to make it not go thru so much while installing...
[23:49] <sig_white> holstein: Makes sense, except "try ubuntu" freezes (i.e. I select the option, press ENTER, get a blank screen in the same soothing purple, forever) in non-secure UEFI mode.
[23:49] <holstein> sig_white: you said "the ubuntu live CD works fine"
[23:50] <wilee-nilee> took one loss of a bunch of music to make me realize how important contingencies are.
[23:50] <holstein> sig_white: if it doesnt then it doesnt,a nd we can troubleshoot accordingly
[23:50] <holstein> !nomodeset
[23:50] <holstein> ^^ that is what i would try for the issue you mention
[23:50] <sig_white> holstein: Well, I know it will fail eventually, but the bigger issue isn't installing Win8 but installing a crap-ton of software. Recovery disk wouldn't help with that.
[23:50] <lauratika> how can i encrypt the whole disk in 12.04?...
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> lauratika, You installed?
[23:51] <holstein> sig_white: the fact is, you *can* break you win8 here.. if you go on without an image, i consider that risky.. do what you want
[23:51] <sig_white> holstein: "the ubuntu live CD works fine [in non-UEFI "legacy boot" mode]".
[23:51] <holstein> sig_white: legacy mode is what to use
[23:51] <lauratika> wilee-nilee: yes already installed
[23:52] <holstein> sig_white: if you have installed in legacy mode, and have other issues, we can discuss those
[23:52] <sig_white> wilee-nilee: All my music is both on Google Music and Wuala. All my emails are on mail servers with their own regular backups. All my work data is on Wuala, too. Everything else is fluff.
[23:52] <wilee-nilee> lauratika, Cool, I can't really he,lp I just use a truecrypt folder for passwords, others can though
[23:53] <lauratika> wilee-nilee: thanx
[23:53] <wilee-nilee> sig_white, Cool, do what you want, seems like the OS might be important and the hours of updates yo have done and installs, being it is your work, best of luck. ;)
[23:53] <sig_white> holstein: Sorry if I wasn't clear: I can ONLY run the live CD's "try ubuntu" (or "install ubuntu", for that matter) in legacy. However install always fails at the end because of GRUB ("couldn't install grub on /dev/sda" or something), so I tried to fix that with boot-repair on the live CD.
[23:54] <BoF> need help for xubuntu install proxy anyone??
[23:56] <wilee-nilee> !details | BoF
[23:56] <sig_white> wilee-nilee: TBH, none of that fluff (i.e. things that aren't backed up) is valuable enough that losing it in a catastrophic hardware failure scenario would hurt me much and it's too inconvinient to back up (huge applications, config files spread all over the disk, etc), but it would be more than annoying to lose it simply because I want to install Linux natively.
[23:57] <Will> Hey people. Can someone guide me how to reload my packets? I am not very sure what packets are to be completely honest.
[23:57] <sig_white> wilee-nilee: Seriously, the most important reason I'm trying to install Ubuntu is that there is no good terminal emulator for Windows and msys/mingw kinda sucks.
[23:58] <wilee-nilee> sig_white, What would your momma tell you to do? ;)
[23:58] <BoF> i'm running on Xubuntu 13.04 i would like pass by an proxy server but how? i hear to tsocks but i can't install it!
[23:58] <sig_white> wilee-nilee: She's more careless than I am.


[04:16] <rick_h_> no party like a west coast party...
[04:16] <greg-g> rick_h_: you're over here?
[04:17] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, burlingame for the sprint week
[04:18] <greg-g> burlingame? wow
[04:18] <greg-g> odd choice
[04:18] <rick_h_> yea, kind of sucky one. Works out with the strike, close enough to not need BART
[04:18] <rick_h_> but man there's one strip you can get to walking
[04:18] <rick_h_> with 5 or 6 places to eat, and 10 nail salons
[04:18] <greg-g> :) yeah, no BART sucks
[04:18] <greg-g> haha
[04:19] <rick_h_> going to head over to the olark bbq tomorrow
[04:20] <rick_h_> looks like I can caltrain it up there
[04:20] <rick_h_> I'm not sure I could get used to an hour to go 15mi
[04:23] <greg-g> whoa, an hour? that sounds wrong
[04:24] <greg-g> no express trains?
[04:24] <greg-g> but still, it was only an hour-20 from MTV to SF
[04:24] <greg-g> on the 'local' train
[04:25] <rick_h_> well going off google maps I'm getting realy odd directions
[04:25] <rick_h_> to 76 S Park St, San Francisco, CA 94107
[04:25] <greg-g> huh
[04:25] <rick_h_> from 1333 Old Bayshore Hwy, Burlingame, CA 94010
[04:26] <rick_h_> like take the train down a bit, then back up?
[04:26]  * rick_h_ is confused
[04:26] <greg-g> what time of day?
[04:26] <rick_h_> well doing directions right now, around 6pm tomorrow
[04:26] <greg-g> that will change things a long
[04:27] <rick_h_> ah, /me found the 'change times' thing
[04:27] <rick_h_> hmm, are the busses going? I thought someone said they would not be
[04:27] <greg-g> haha, that bus taking you from your hotel to the train station does a stupid little loop there at the end
[04:27] <greg-g> nah, busses are fine, they're going
[04:27] <greg-g> just the BART
[04:28] <rick_h_> ah ok, well someone said something about some buses being part of "bay area transit"
[04:28] <rick_h_> but yea, if I can figure out how to do it, looks like an hour-ish to go 15mi to olark tomorrow night
[04:28] <rick_h_> gotta <3 it heh
[04:28] <greg-g> weird
[04:29] <greg-g> only a 20 minute train ride, at least
[04:29] <rick_h_> ah, yea.  I want to travel and see stuff lol
[04:37] <greg-g> :)
[11:48] <cmaloney> Morning
[12:50] <brousch> rick_h_: Oh master of good syntax, which looks better to you? https://github.com/Kovak/buildozer/commit/7808c3b3cb4a99286c110f494a2f016d3cb78d88
[13:23] <cmaloney> brousch: Ugh
[13:25] <cmaloney> BTW: Since rick_h_ is off in the land of SFOz, that means CHC will need to go on without him
[13:27] <cmaloney> Do we still want to meet at the Starbucks on Woodward, or somewhere else?
[13:31] <cmaloney> I'm OK with sticking around there, as it does appear to have some benefits
[13:31] <cmaloney> not the least of which is that it's on Woodward. :)
[13:47] <rick_h_> party
[13:48] <rick_h_> brousch: line 404 has to go above because it's got a hidden 'else' at the end of it
[13:48] <rick_h_> that's non-obvious and should be moved out to a block of logic so that it's more clear.
[13:50] <brousch> I don't like inline ifs
[13:50] <rick_h_> brousch: they're not bad if the line doesn't wrap
[13:50] <rick_h_> but with the wrap, dense content here already, it's a recipe for a 'duh wtf' moment
[13:50] <brousch> Yeah,. very short ones
[13:50] <rick_h_> but things like name = request.get('name') else 'Anon'
[13:51] <rick_h_> are perfectly cool imo
[13:51] <brousch> He is replacing my longer version in the red with the inline version in green
[13:56] <brousch> Anyways, what are you doing in San Fran?
[13:56] <rick_h_> work sprint
[14:50] <cmaloney> I thought you were on Verizon? :)
[14:50] <rick_h_> cmaloney: :P
[14:50] <rick_h_> yep, sure am and getting lovely 4g coverage all night long!
[14:50] <cmaloney> heh
[14:58] <brousch> cmaloney: Ting is saving me about $120/mo (excluding phone purchase price), but the coverage is really poor
[14:59] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm finding the coverage can be a bit wanting, especially inside certain buildings
[14:59] <cmaloney> but overall I'm pretty pleased.
[14:59] <cmaloney> I just wish Sprint would get their shit together in this area.
[14:59] <brousch> And here
[14:59] <cmaloney> You have 4G coverage. You're good. ;)
[15:00] <cmaloney> We don't even have that.
[15:01] <brousch> I have squat
[15:01] <brousch> Maybe if I go to the heart of downtown GR when it's not busy
[15:01] <widox> cmaloney: I thought the Starbucks was decent enough - other then going downtown RO I'm not sure of other options
[15:02] <cmaloney> widox: Yeah. The only other option that springs to mind is the Barnes and Noble on JOhn R.
[15:02] <cmaloney> The Biggby on John R is just too small
[15:52] <cmaloney> wiki - Hawaiian word for information graveyard.
[15:52] <greg-g> hey!
[15:52] <greg-g> (it's true)
[15:52] <greg-g> except in one notable exception
[15:52] <rick_h_> lol
[15:53] <cmaloney> I love Wikipedia. That's because it has a lot of caretakers
[15:53] <cmaloney> If our internal wiki had 1/10th of the care that any topic related to Star Wars has we'd be golden.
[15:53] <greg-g> totally, that's the thing, you need wiki gnomes
[15:53] <greg-g> wiki gardeners
[15:54] <cmaloney> I'm convinced that there are more characters dedicated to fictional universes than our own. ;)
[15:54] <cmaloney> But that's another topic for another time
[15:55] <greg-g> write what you know
[15:55] <cmaloney> True dat.
[15:56] <rick_h_> I prefer gnomes to gardeners
[15:57] <rick_h_> less chance of them hitting on my wife :P
[15:57] <brousch> rick_h_: You don't know many gnomes, do you
[15:57] <cmaloney> You might want to re-think that
[15:57] <cmaloney> http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f439/ <- Hawt
[15:58] <brousch> I saw a zombie U-M football gnome at Meijer
[15:59] <cmaloney> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vh3uU1XgSIw/TdqwSyKbo4I/AAAAAAAABX4/yh39hccmYKo/w538-h720-no/Picture+249.jpg
[16:00] <brousch> That's gonna look good on your company's Internet log
[16:00] <cmaloney> Adn that's why I ssh tunnel. ;)
[16:14] <cmaloney> More for their sanity. ;)
[17:15] <cmaloney> Ah, it must be Apple release time
[17:15] <cmaloney> Internet has gone to crap.
[17:15] <brousch> All of the hipster douchebags just ran to the conference room?
[17:15] <cmaloney> No, I can't get ti images.google.com
[17:15] <cmaloney> or arstechnica
[17:16] <cmaloney> huh. Now I can
[17:18] <cmaloney> Ah well
[17:20] <jrwren> oh oh , can I upgrade yet?!?!?!
[17:22] <brousch> Yes you can! http://goo.gl/nduHS
[17:23] <cmaloney> har har
[17:24] <jrwren> free mavriks...i just died a happy heart attack
[17:35] <cmaloney> ?
[17:35] <cmaloney> For those of us who have no idea what you're talking about?
[17:36] <cmaloney> Ah, OS X update
[17:36] <brousch> They are taking Ubuntu names now?
[18:03] <greg-g> alright, seriously gnome, I'm going to leave you if you keep making dumb choices
[18:03] <greg-g> 1) removing alt-click dragging of windows (have to open dconf to set it back from super-click)
[18:04] <greg-g> 2) putting a stupid headphones icon next to the volume level icon? why?
[18:04] <brousch> It's Gnome's way or the highway
[18:04] <greg-g> probably more, but I'mma just going to stop here
[18:05] <brousch> KDE welcomes you
[18:06] <greg-g> yeah, maybe
[18:08] <brousch> Even Ubuntu touch is qt. Come to the future
[18:09] <jrwren> i should relaly try kubuntu again soon
[18:10] <jrwren> i've not used it in years.
[18:10] <jrwren> xubuntu is great
[18:10] <jrwren> lubuntu is great too :)
[18:10] <brousch> Too much manual work on a laptop with those
[18:10] <brousch> They are fine for VMs
[18:10] <jrwren> is it?
[18:10] <jrwren> and desktop
[18:10] <brousch> Probably
[18:11] <brousch> Do people still use desktops? i thought they stopped selling those
[18:11] <jrwren> we build them ourselves.
[18:11] <jrwren> or we spend $2999 for a mac pro, cuz... cuz... oh right, cuz its Assembled in USA
[18:18] <cmaloney> I haven't played with straight GNOME in years
[18:18] <cmaloney> but from the sound of it I'm not going to be happy
[21:38] <greg-g> I don't understand how this is possible: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/1050/
[21:38] <greg-g> rick_h_: ^^ ?
[21:39] <rick_h_> greg-g: looking, having issues loading atm
[21:40] <greg-g> basically, "sudo pip install something && something" gets me ImportError: No module names something
[21:42] <rick_h_> greg-g: hmm, package did something wonky?
[21:43]  * greg-g shrugs, "Successfully installed taskhelm"


[00:51] <Chipzz> playya_: the changelog should be in the debian dir, and hence end up in the .diff.gz
[00:52] <Chipzz> so you shouldn't have to upload multiple tarballs
[00:52] <playya_> hmm. yes
[00:52] <playya_> maybe is should just ask for a bzr import on launchpad
[00:53] <playya_> is it possible to build multiple packages from one bzr repo on lp?
[00:54] <slangasek> playya_: backing up here, what is it you're trying to achieve?  Is this for a ppa, an SRU, a backport?
[00:55] <playya_> a ppa
[00:56] <playya_> i want to package vala-dbus-binding-tool, cornucopia, libfso-glib and maybe zhone from http://git.freesmartphone.org/
[00:56] <slangasek> playya_: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading, https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Copying
[00:56] <slangasek> though PPA usage is more on topic for #launchpad than here
[00:56] <playya_> ok
[00:57] <slangasek> as for building multiple packages from one bzr repo... yes, that's possible, though one-repo-per-package is the recommended convention generally
[00:58] <playya_> ok
[01:00] <playya_> if i try to test my stuff with pbuilder(native build), i get the following error: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[01:00] <playya_> i only know the error from cross compiling
[01:04] <slangasek> playya_: sounds like you haven't installed the 'build-essential' metapackage in your environment
[01:05] <playya_> i did iirc
[01:11] <playya_> i was my ccache setup :/
[01:18] <SpamapS> when I use pbuilder to try and rebuild elinks, I get this: Dependency is not satisfiable: liblua50-dev
[01:18] <SpamapS> but liblua50-dev is available.. do I need to re-create my maverick environment?
[01:38] <james_w> SpamapS: you may not have universe enabled inside the chroot
[01:39] <SpamapS> james_w: I added this to my .pbuilderrc: COMPONENTS="main universe"
[01:40] <SpamapS> now do I need to re-create the chroot?
[01:50] <arand> SpamapS: pbuilder --update --ignore-config    iirc
[01:50] <samliu> hey there, I was wondering if someone could answer some questions about packaging on ubuntu for me?
[01:51] <samliu> I'm trying to package a tomcat-driven web application
[01:51] <samliu> so far I've read all of http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[01:52] <samliu> and I've managed to create a .deb
[01:52] <samliu> but it has nothing inside it...
[01:52] <samliu> am I supposed to have a makefile and install file?
[01:52] <samliu> I dont have either
[01:52] <samliu> my software takes like 240mb too
[01:52] <samliu> but the .deb has only 1.7kb for some reason
[01:53] <arand> SpamapS: sudo pbuilder update --override-config   rather.
[01:53] <samliu> I guess my question is, how do I turn my application into a .deb package
[01:59] <lifeless> samliu: the @ubuntu-packaging channel exists with a focus on helping people learn how to make debs
[01:59] <lifeless>  you may get more success asking there
[02:09] <samliu> oh thanks
[02:09] <samliu> :D
[02:15] <CynthiaG> What is DIF in Ubuntu terms? I try to Google 'Ubuntu DIF' and it asks me if I mean 'diff'.
[02:16] <CynthiaG> It was used in this context, "If it's included before DIF we should be able to sync/merge it over", so I assume it must be some kind of time point/timeframe
[02:19] <CynthiaG> Oh! Never mind. It's Debian Import Freeze.
[03:09] <ccheney> anyone happen to know if there is a way to mess with lvm via a library instead of just the commands directly?
[03:24] <ccheney> appears there is liblvm its just not packaged for some reason, part of lvm2 source
[04:44] <spenguin[work]> hey anyone using kernel 2.6.33 on a thinkpad x201?
[04:44] <spenguin[work]> Im refering to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/554569
[04:44] <spenguin[work]> Im still unable to have X running with KMS and the patch
[06:17] <spenguin[work]> anyone using linux on a x201 laptop
[06:19] <lifeless> I'm using an x201s which is similar
[06:22]  * RAOF is using an x200, which is also similar, but with a different GPU
[06:29] <lifeless> RAOF: and CPU
[06:29] <RAOF> Well, yeah.
[06:30] <RAOF> I like to think of CPUs as essentially interchangable.
[06:30] <lifeless> ha
[06:30] <lifeless> ha
[06:30] <lifeless> ha
[06:30] <lifeless> I know you *like* to think that
[06:30]  * RAOF is aware that there's practically a whole kernel subtree dedicated to maintaining this illusion.
[06:31] <lifeless> perhaps I should have said
[06:31] <lifeless> you like to *think* that
[06:31] <TheMuso> crimsun_: do you have your packaging for ossproxy anywhere?
[06:32] <hyperair> hmm? cpus aren't interchangable?
[06:33] <spenguin[work]> lifeless: oh what kernel?
[06:34] <lifeless> spenguin[work]: lucid
[06:34] <spenguin[work]> and could you post what libdrm version
[06:34] <lifeless> lucid
[06:34] <spenguin[work]> hrm
[06:34] <lifeless> if you're encountering a problem
[06:34] <lifeless> it might help to describe it, briefly.
[06:35] <spenguin[work]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/554569
[06:35] <spenguin[work]> Im on a vanilla kernel though
[06:36] <spenguin[work]> 2.6.33
[06:37] <spenguin[work]> tried 2.6.34 too
[06:39] <spenguin[work]> but I dont get help for that do I? :p
[06:42] <RAOF> You could concievably wait a couple of days and try a Maverick LiveCD.  That'll have 2.6.35 (which has a bunch of ironlake fixes in it), a new X server, and a new intel DDX.
[06:43] <RAOF> Well, 2.6.35-rc1 :)
[06:43] <spenguin[work]> hrm
[06:43] <hyperair> ooh maverick's got .35?
[06:43] <hyperair> i thought .35-rc1 had some issue with udev going 100% though?
[06:44] <RAOF> Not in Maverick.
[06:48] <hyperair> ah
[06:48] <hyperair> it wasn't in lucid either, come to think of it.
[06:49] <hyperair> Sarvatt did mention that there was an issue with the CPU not entering C4, though.
[06:49] <RAOF> Well, there is that, yeah.
[06:49] <lifeless> spenguin[work]: have you applied the new BIOS from lenovo ?
[06:49] <lifeless> I know there was one for the x201s, I'm not sure if there was/wasn't for x201
[06:50] <lifeless> spenguin[work]: and are you in 32 or 64 bit mode?
[06:52] <spenguin[work]> 64but
[06:53] <spenguin[work]> 64bit*
[06:53] <spenguin[work]> and I havnet applied the bios
[06:53] <lifeless> things got considerably better for me with the may bios fix
[06:55] <spenguin[work]> www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-74984 ?
[06:56] <lifeless> looks like it
[06:57] <lifeless> and definitely try with lucid
[06:57] <lifeless> not vanilla - I'm told there are platform things in the 6?0's that needed enablement
[06:57] <lifeless> the might not be upstream yet
[06:57] <spenguin[work]> hrm im on an old one -  (1.05 )
[06:59] <spenguin[work]> lifeless: how did you update the bios
[06:59] <spenguin[work]> burn the cd etc etc?
[06:59] <lifeless> yeah
[06:59] <lifeless> burn the cd
[06:59] <lifeless> usb cd drive
[06:59] <lifeless> power, blue key, alternate boot, boom-tish
[07:00] <spenguin[work]> hrm
[07:00] <lifeless> (the x201s has no builtin cd drive)
[07:00] <spenguin[work]> yeah
[07:01] <spenguin[work]> was thinking of getting the iso onto a usb stick
[07:01] <spenguin[work]> with unetbootin
[07:01] <spenguin[work]> what do you think?
[07:02] <lifeless> no opinion
[07:07] <spenguin[work]> hrm
[07:22] <pitti> Good morning
[07:22] <pitti> Sarvatt: ah, thanks for the heads-up; I thought it was introduced in lucid for supporting a slightly newer nouveau
[07:37] <spenguin[work]> lifeless: its been my stupid mistake.
[07:38] <spenguin[work]> was expecting the X pointer with a white screen
[07:38] <spenguin[work]> startx works :s
[07:38] <spenguin[work]> even ctrl+alt+backspace doesnt work in the latest xorg hence thought x was locking up
[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[10:44] <apw> tseliot, you about ?
[10:54] <tseliot> apw: yep
[10:54] <tseliot> apw: I have to reboot. brb
[10:54] <apw> tseliot, where do i find the current source for bcmwl, the links seem to be wrong
[11:00] <apw> tseliot, where do i find the current source for bcmwl, the links seem to be wrong
[11:01] <apw> tseliot, or is it just to use the apt-get source job ?
[11:01] <tseliot> apw: what link are you looking at?
[11:02] <apw> tseliot, when you apt-get source ...
[11:02] <apw> NOTICE: 'bcmwl' packaging is maintained in the 'Bzr' version control system at:
[11:02] <apw> https://code.launchpad.net/~broadcom-sta-hackers/broadcom-sta/ubuntu
[11:02] <apw> Please use:
[11:02] <apw> bzr get https://code.launchpad.net/~broadcom-sta-hackers/broadcom-sta/ubuntu
[11:02] <apw> but that doesn't seem to match the real source
[11:03] <tseliot> apw: it looks like someone forgot to commit his changes to the bzr branch...
[11:03] <tseliot> apw: so, yes your best bet is either apt-get source or https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl
[11:04] <apw> tseliot, man this bzr stuff just gets in the way, specially when people arn't using it :/
[11:04] <apw> tseliot, i've got a fix for bcmwl for 2.6.35, is there a way to say 'this patch applied for 2.6.35 and later ?
[11:04] <apw> tseliot, in the dkms.conf ?
[11:05] <tseliot> apw: right, you can specify it there
[11:05] <apw> tseliot, whats the syntax?  i found how to make it for exactly 2.6.35
[11:05] <tseliot> apw: something like
[11:06] <tseliot> PATCH[0]="vga_arbiter_workaround.patch"
[11:06] <tseliot> PATCH_MATCH[0]="^2.6.35"
[11:06] <apw> is that not just equal to though?
[11:07] <tseliot> yes, let me find the proper syntax for that
[11:07] <apw> tseliot, the manuals are awful for this thing :/
[11:07] <tseliot> apw: you can bug superm1 about it :-P
[11:08] <apw> heh
[11:08] <apw>                 echo $1 | egrep -q "${PATCH_MATCH[$index]}"; then
[11:09] <apw> tseliot, seems its checked that way, so i think you can only say 'for this version'
[11:09] <apw> tseliot, i only need it because i would like the updated bcmwl packages to be installable on lucid, as a lot of us use the latest kernel in lucid this early in the cycle
[11:09] <tseliot> apw: I'm pretty sure that something like either 2.6.3[5-6] or 2.6.3[5|6] was allowed
[11:10] <apw> yeah i guess we could do something like that
[11:10] <apw> tseliot, so if i get this built and tested in PPA would you be able to sponsor it for me
[11:10] <tseliot> apw: sure
[11:13] <tseliot> apw: I was right. Here's what I found in http://linux.dell.com/dkms/dkms-ols2004.pdf (mentioned in the man page): PATCH_MATCH[0]="2.4.[2-9][2-9]"
[11:14] <tseliot> also make sure that the number that you use in both PATCH[0] and PATCH_MATCH[0] (i.e. 0 in this case) is not already in use
[11:14] <tseliot> by some other patch in dkms.conf
[11:15] <apw> '^2.6.(3[5-9]|[4-9][0-9])-' looks to be the thing
[11:15] <apw> tseliot, yeah we already have 3
[11:16] <tseliot> ok
[11:30]  * ogra curses
[11:30] <ogra> why the heck are dashes not allowed in initramfs script names
[11:40] <highvoltage> ogra: that's weird :)
[11:40] <Kano> hi cjwatson , why does the u grub2 package allow install into partitions and the debian one not with dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
[11:41] <Kano> also why does http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=grub-pc&searchon=names&suite=maverick&section=all find nothing
[11:51] <mdz> dholbach: the countdown meter in your blog post is broken on planet ubuntu for some reason
[11:55] <apw> Kano, the list of suites at the top does not appear to include maverick, so its possible there is no maverick data in there
[11:56] <Kano> it is selectable
[11:58] <apw> but the results list all series and its not included
[11:58] <apw> (across the top as options)
[11:59] <apw> tseliot, ok ... i've added the debdiff for bcmwl to bug #590924, i have also built the source packags (and diff) and put them on chinstrap:~apw/sign perhaps you could review them for me
[12:00] <apw> robbiew, about ?
[12:01] <tseliot> apw: ok, thanks, I'll have a look at it
[12:01] <apw> tseliot, i built it in my 'blue' ppa and it seems to install and work too
[12:02] <apw> https://edge.launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/blue/+packages
[12:02] <tseliot> ah, even better
[12:08] <mpt> pitti, hi, <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/FeatureStatus> begins with two copies of <http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/all-maverick-alpha-2.svg>. Is that a mistake?
[12:16] <mpt> hm, according to <https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick>, Maverick doesn't have a release manager
[12:16] <mpt> Should we be concerned? :-)
[12:20] <didrocks> mpt: don't you know about autorelease mode? :-)
[12:24] <alonswartz> cjwatson: where would be the appropriate place to file bugs against casper? The project on LP isn't configured for bug reporting.
[12:26] <ogra> alonswartz, against the source package in ubuntu
[12:27] <alonswartz> thanks ogra, will do.
[12:28] <cjwatson> mpt: more true than you know
[12:29] <cjwatson> (but technically this is just disconnect between LP's terminology and Ubuntu's)
[12:37] <ogra> hmm, do we have any documentation how to write text on top of the plymouth splash ?
[12:37]  * ogra knows how to do it with usplash. but there doesnt seem to be any docs for plymouth
[12:38] <ogra> resizing a partition on first boot takes 5-6min on a 4G SD card i'D like to tell the user that the system isnt hung :&
[12:39] <cjwatson> plymouth --help
[12:39] <ogra> heh, to simple :P
[12:40]  * ogra tried man plymouth and google :)
[13:02] <pitti> mpt: not sure why it's duplicated
[13:04] <dholbach> mdz: the server went down for maintenance
[13:05] <dholbach> mdz: it should be back up
[13:05] <jussi> what is keybuk's normal timezone?
[13:06] <Tm_T> jussi: in my lastlog he's been talking between 1500 and 2200
[13:06] <Tm_T> or so
[13:06] <jussi> right, thanks
[13:07] <jussi> well if someone sees him, please prod him to pm me
[13:07] <pitti> try email?
[13:08] <mdz> dholbach: ah, ok
[13:08] <mdz> dholbach: I clicked through and it looked fine on your site, but not on planet
[13:09] <dholbach> mdz: hum… weird
[13:09] <dholbach> mdz: glad it works now :)
[13:43] <ari-tczew> dholbach: did you saw my email?
[13:44] <dholbach> ari-tczew: yes, but I'm quite busy right now
[13:44] <dholbach> ari-tczew: I actually prefer if the archive admins take care  of it
[13:44] <ari-tczew> dholbach: do you will change your prefer?
[13:44] <tseliot> apw: is the final dash in PATCH_MATCH[3]="^2.6.(3[5-9]|[4-9][0-9])-" a typo?
[13:44] <dholbach> ari-tczew: if syncs are not performed regularly enough this should be fixed
[13:45] <apw> tseliot, the version numbers are the full kernel abi numbers so ... 2.6.35-1 etc
[13:45] <apw> so i added the - to ensure i matched the entire number
[13:46] <ari-tczew> dholbach: upload package by script reduces all time to waiting for archive admins
[13:47] <dholbach> ari-tczew: the archive admins double-check stuff and know if there's other important builds going on, I don't want to override them if it's not super urgent and necessary
[13:48] <tseliot> apw: I think it should be enough to match the kernel version
[13:48] <apw> tseliot, am ambivalent either way, the version is the -k parameter which is always that full form right?
[13:49] <tseliot> apw: yes, that's the full name. I was just worried about vanilla kernels
[13:50] <tseliot> which may not have the -1
[13:50] <apw> tseliot, ok i'll chop it off and regenerate it
[13:50] <tseliot> apw: perfect, thanks
[13:51] <Riddell> mvo: how come libxbase doesn't get packaging updates?  you seem to have given up on it years ago
[13:54] <apw> tseliot, that should be it, in the same place
[13:54] <tseliot> apw: ok, I'll sign and upload
[13:54] <Riddell> mvo: reason for asking is bug 591239
[13:56] <mvo> Riddell: *cough* it was a bit underused in the past, if its now used for something like krita I shall resurrect it and/or find a (co)maintainer
[13:59] <ogra> mumble mumble
[13:59] <ogra> is there any way to tell ureadahead to not run ?
[14:00] <amitk> apt-get remove ureadahead will tell it _very firmly_ not to run
[14:01] <ogra> amitk, i'm not sure that works nowadays
[14:01] <ion> Comment out the “start on...” line probably.
[14:01] <ogra> well, i have issues in initramfs
[14:01] <ogra> wont help to fiddle with initscripts
[16:11] <shtylman> what would be the best way to set the scaling governor to performance during certain times of the day?
[16:11] <shtylman> a cron job? or would an init script be able to do something there?
[16:19] <micahg> doko: how do I get openjdk to build w/the openjdk team as the maintainer?
[16:20] <Kano> control
[16:24] <lamont> NCommander: around?
[16:24] <lamont> NCommander: did we decide that qt4-x11 actually needs a longer timeout, or just needs to be not-lzma-on-arm?
[17:03] <mathiaz> pitti: slangasek: hi - I've a question related an sru
[17:03] <mathiaz> there is currently a sru for eucalyptus in lucid-proposed, ubuntu30.1
[17:04] <mathiaz> I'm planning to upload a new version to lucid-proposed (ubuntu30.2)
[17:04] <mathiaz> that fixes more a bugs and revert a patch that went into 30.1
[17:05] <mathiaz> so I'd like to have 30.1 marked as failed (as it will be superseeded by30.2)
[17:06] <mathiaz> when I'm preparing the 30.2 upload should I include the changelog entry of 30.1 in the .changes file as well (given that 30.1 wasn't published in -updates)?
[17:06] <mathiaz> slangasek: pitti: ^^
[17:06] <slangasek> mathiaz: yes, you should
[17:06] <mathiaz> slangasek: ok - what should be done with 30.1?
[17:06] <mathiaz> slangasek: just leave it in -proposed?
[17:07] <mathiaz> slangasek: or should it be rejected somehow?
[17:07] <slangasek> mathiaz: it will be overwritten when 30.2 is accepted
[17:07] <mathiaz> slangasek: ok - so nothing is required for 30.1
[17:08] <slangasek> mathiaz: only if you were worried that it would be incorrectly copied to -updates before 30.2 is accepted; in that case you should take care to tag as 'verification-failed' whichever of the SRU bugs are causing you to reroll
[17:08] <mathiaz> slangasek: right - I've already added the verification-failed tag to the SRU bug we're reverting in 30.2
[17:09] <slangasek> mathiaz: then that's everything :)
[17:09] <mathiaz> slangasek: great - thanks for helping out
[17:09] <slangasek> n/p
[17:26] <mathiaz> slangasek: eucalyptus 30.2 uploaded to lucid-proposed - if you could have a look at it it would be helpful as we'd like to start the verification process today
[17:36] <mistery> hi all
[17:37] <mistery> i'm investigating what is required for me to start contributing from a dev perspective.
[17:37] <mistery> anyone I can chat to? thanks
[17:38] <mathiaz> mistery: I'd start from http://www.ubuntu.com/community
[17:39] <mathiaz> mistery: ^^ this page outlines different ways to get involved and provides links to ressources
[17:39] <mistery> hi mathiaz.. been there and started reading some of the basic resources already
[17:39] <mistery> that's where i got this channel from
[17:39] <mistery> how do I actually find something to work on? Some small to start with :)
[17:41] <mathiaz> mistery: which area are you interested in? desktop, server, mozilla?
[17:41] <mistery> probably desktop for now
[17:42] <mathiaz> mistery: I'd suggest to go over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GettingStarted
[17:43] <mistery> mathiaz: thanks, i'll start looking into that now.
[17:43] <mathiaz> mistery: np - happy reading !
[17:44] <mistery> mathiaz: thx :)
[17:50] <Q-FUNK> doko: would you have any instructions for how to proceeed with bug #587186 ?
[18:37] <slangasek> mathiaz: accepted
[18:40] <mathiaz> Daviey: ^^
[18:48] <slangasek> mathiaz: eh, bug #579942 is marked private; SRU bugs need to be visible
[18:48] <mathiaz> slangasek: I've marked the bug public
[18:48] <slangasek> mathiaz: thanks!
[18:56] <Daviey> mathiaz / slangasek: Great, thanks
[18:58] <Riddell> zul: bug 240519 is assigned to you, any progress or should we reject it?
[18:58] <Riddell> bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/ is blocking
[18:58] <zul> reject it...ill probably have another look at it later
[19:02] <Riddell> Daviey: what are you expecting to happen with bug 583698 ? there's an upload in unapproved but no patch on the bug and sru aren't subscribed
[19:03] <Daviey> Riddell: good point!
[19:03] <Daviey> Riddell: i will sort this today
[19:06] <Chipzz> Riddell: I'ld say this is a user error
[19:06] <Chipzz> iirc apache has an option in /etc/default/apache which can be used to disable it, no?
[19:07] <Chipzz> hrrrrm it seems it doesn't
[19:08] <Chipzz> although I remember it doing so
[19:08] <Chipzz> maybe in an earlier version
[19:30] <Riddell> cjwatson: what's the status of bug 591199 ?  there's an upload but ubuntu-sru aren't subscribed and I don't see a patch on the bug, there's no test case too (presumably fairly trivial for docs)
[19:44] <cjwatson> Riddell: ubuntu-sru subscribed, patch linked
[19:44] <cjwatson> Riddell: I'm all for standard format but I don't see the point in writing a test case here, there's no way it can be anything other than "check that it now looks right"
[19:45] <cjwatson> (I wouldn't require a test case if this were somebody else's SRU)
[19:45] <Riddell> I'm impressed you didn't just accept it yourself :)
[19:45] <Sarvatt> any chance for oprofile rebuild against the new binutils so llvm-dev is installable? one was just uploaded today to rebuild against last weeks binutils but there was another newer binutils released right after..
[19:46] <Riddell> Sarvatt: already?
[19:46] <Sarvatt> yep..
[19:46] <Sarvatt> worst decision I ever made trying to package daily builds of something that needs llvm-dev, thats broken more than its not
[19:48] <Riddell> Sarvatt: uploaded oprofile
[19:50] <Sarvatt> \o/ thanks Riddell!
[20:03] <Sarvatt> Riddell: your changelog message looks like mine, except its degenerated to "no change rebuild #15 for this @%!* package." now :)
[20:18] <cjwatson> Riddell: I'm a good boy
[20:20]  * maco gives cjwatson a cookie
[20:21] <Riddell> imbrandon: what's the status of bug 537379 ?
[20:56] <imbrandon> Riddell: lemme check
[20:57] <imbrandon> Riddell: still no fix from upstream or debian on x86_64 ftbfs
[20:57] <imbrandon> so if we sync it we loose that build
[21:17] <kees> weird, procps didn't show up on the "needs merging" list.
[21:41] <pwnguin> a friend of mine suggested i386 support was being dropped in meerkat, but I can't find any official documentation for this assertion. the most ive found is a bug report within launchpad
[21:44] <pwnguin> oh neat, i also found this draft blueprint
[21:44] <pwnguin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/Maverick686DefaultCompile
[21:44] <ajmitch> pwnguin: I thought I'd seen it on ubuntu-devel-announce, but I just checked & it's not there
[21:45] <pwnguin> boy, the blueprint is very draft as in forked from a template unrevised
[22:22] <lfaraone> Should SRU bugs that are waiting for approval be triaged, or fix committed?
[22:31] <JFo> lfaraone, my money is on Triaged as they will not get committed until they are approved for the SRU
[22:31]  * micahg thinks there's a script which sets status and comments for them
[22:39] <cjwatson> lfaraone: makes no difference to SRU processing.  I tend to use In Progress personally but I wouldn't "correct" it if I saw something different
[22:40] <ajmitch> darn, I just changed a bug away from 'in progress'
[22:40] <geser> Riddell: in what way got bug 586509 fixed? LP doesn't list a git source package for maverick and I don't see it in the new queue either (or did I miss something)
[22:41] <lfaraone> cjwatson: ah, mk.
[22:42] <Riddell> geser: hmm, the version number is too small
[22:42] <ajmitch> with an epoch?
[22:43] <Riddell> geser: hardy had 4.3.20-12  so syncing version 1.7.1 won't work
[22:43] <geser> Riddell: 1:1.7.1-1 is bigger than 4.3.20-12
[22:43] <Riddell> although.. it does have an epoch
[22:43] <Riddell> there's also this error
[22:43] <Riddell> E: git-core is in main but its source (git) is not.
[22:44] <cjwatson> there's a sync-source option for that
[22:45] <cjwatson> it requires a switch because that's a situation an AA should check manually (it'll probably involve making sure the new source is overridden to main)
[22:46] <geser> git-core got renamed to git, so it has to be moved to main too (git-core was in main)
[22:47]  * Riddell tries the --force-more switch
[22:47] <geser> there was a different git in the archive in the past, therefore git (the VCS) got named git-core but as appararently enough time has passed it got renamed to git
[22:48] <Riddell> that did it
[22:48] <aganice> hey, i'd like to release this kobo ereader app thing to the multiverse repository, who should i talk to?
[22:50] <lifeless> is it packaged? do you have upload rights?
[22:51] <aganice> it's packaged as a .deb, and the project lead at the company asked me to find out how to offer their app in the repository, so yesish to upload rights?
[22:51] <NCommander> lamont: I think it might just be easier to do a longer timeout as I keep not finding time to change the packaging, then test to make sure it will build
[22:51] <lifeless> aganice: upload rights is an ubuntu thing
[22:52] <geser> Riddell: as the new "git" source package builds the same binary debs as the current "git-core" will it be automatically picked up (by some script) that "git-core" can be removed or is a bug needed?
[22:52] <aganice> lifeless, thanks. the answer is no, then, clearly :p
[22:52] <lifeless> so, if you want it in multiverse, I'd start by putting it up on REVU and getting the packaging reviewed, then when its ready an Ubuntu developer can 'sponsor' it into the archive for you.
[22:52] <Riddell> geser: git-core will appear in the NBS list soon and an archive admin will remove it one day
[22:53] <aganice> lifeless, thanks very much!
[22:53] <lifeless> aganice: alternatively, you can become a canonical partner (details on the website, I can find a link for you if you like), and it can be uploaded to the Canonical partner archive.
[22:53] <cjwatson> it'll probably happen more or less as soon as it has no reverse-dependencies
[22:54] <geser> Riddell: NBS lists also source packages without any binary debs left too? (all binary debs build from git-core (source) are now build by git (source))
[22:55] <cjwatson> no, it doesn't
[22:55] <aganice> lifeless, thanks very much, i'll do that.
[22:55] <cjwatson> removal of obsoleted source packages does require a bug
[22:55] <ari-tczew> Riddel: why do you sync package without information who has uploaded the package?
[22:55] <geser> ok, will file one once git got build
[22:56] <lifeless> aganice: http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/partnerships - about partnerships
[22:57] <slangasek> cjwatson: multi-catalog> oh; the usual problem is that PC BIOSes don't know to check the architecture field.  Have you made sure the BIOS boot image is first?
[22:57]  * slangasek ran into this when trying to build multiarch i386+amd64+ia64 ISOs
[22:58] <cjwatson> pretty sure grub-mkrescue puts it first
[22:58] <lamont> NCommander: ok.  give me a source-package name and a timeout :p  I'll be rolling a new lp-buildd today or tomorrow and would love to put it in thene
[22:58] <lamont> then, even
[22:59] <slangasek> cjwatson: ok - then that solves the only problem I knew of at the time, which was PCs trying to boot the first el torito image regardless of architecture :)
[22:59] <Riddell> ari-tczew: such as which?
[22:59] <NCommander> lamont: qt4-x11, 10 hour timeout?
[22:59] <Riddell> ari-tczew: tab completion advised on irc else I won't see your message if you misspell my nick
[22:59] <cjwatson> slangasek: (I could be wrong, do you know an easy way to check?)
[23:00] <lamont> NCommander: is that a WAG, or expected max?
[23:00] <NCommander> lamont: WAG
[23:00] <slangasek> cjwatson: my memory is fuzzy on that part, sorry.  I thought it was a matter of the ordering of the arguments to mkisofs
[23:00] <lamont> NCommander: ok
[23:00] <cjwatson> mm, well this is using xorriso at least in part because I think it permitted hybrid ISO/USB images
[23:01] <cjwatson> we definitely put the BIOS options first though
[23:01] <cjwatson> slangasek: I think the assertion in the Fedora wiki page was that some BIOSes just plain didn't like multi-catalog at all, but I couldn't find citations
[23:02] <ari-tczew> Riddell: I forgot about tab, sorry. Today sync seems to be ok, but 18th May you did syncs without uploader information
[23:02] <NCommander> lamont: disregard, qt4-x11 magically fixed itself it seems
[23:02] <Riddell> bryceh: xf86-input-evtouch is blacklisted from sync, should I change that for bug 589535 ?
[23:02] <bryceh> Riddell, yeah it needs fakesync
[23:02] <cjwatson> (FWIW, the image I have boots in kvm both normally and with an EFI firmware image)
[23:03] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: exactly what uploader information do you mean?
[23:03] <Riddell> bryceh: ok, will you do that?
[23:03] <lamont> NCommander: coolness
[23:04] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: in launchpad "Uploaded by" and there person who has requested sync
[23:04] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: do you mean that the person who requested the sync is there and shouldn't be, or that it shouldn't be there but is?
[23:05] <slangasek> cjwatson: well... could be, but that would imply malice on the part of the implementor instead of just stupidity :)
[23:05] <NCommander> lamont: maybe disregard the disregard ...
[23:06] <bryceh> Riddell, is there anyone else that can do it?  it should be pretty trivial but I'm kinda tied up at the moment
[23:06] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: lol, look, I requested sync in bug 579593 and I'm not as uploader of this. check then https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/connman/0.48+dfsg-2
[23:07] <Riddell> bryceh: I'll subscribe ubuntu sponsors
[23:07] <bryceh> thanks
[23:07] <lamont> NCommander: heh.  I'll ping you before I do the upload.  not sure when that'll be, but hopefully before the next time all the i386 virtual builders faceplant
[23:07] <lamont> since the upload is to specifically address that
[23:07] <bryceh> in fact, there may be an open question if we should just drop -evtouch.  I think rickspencer3 was suggesting that course of action for maverick
[23:08] <bryceh> but I'll leave that to RAOF to consider
[23:08] <rickspencer3> was I?
[23:08] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: assume accident rather than malice, then
[23:09] <ari-tczew> I see language barrier
[23:09] <cjwatson> hmm?
[23:10] <cjwatson> slangasek: excessive assertions of what they mistakenly believed to be correct, perhaps - hard to tell with BIOSes
[23:10] <slangasek> indeed :)
[23:11] <cjwatson> I have to say I'm not sure how to make Intel Macs continue to use the BIOS boot loader
[23:11] <cjwatson> presumably they'll notice that the EFI catalog entry is there and use it if they can
[23:11] <slangasek> I would imagine so
[23:12] <slangasek> though given that most of the El Torito spec was written for Apple's benefit, perhaps their implementation is smart enough that you can point it at a better option
[23:13] <slangasek> (well - not most of the El Torito spec perhaps, but most of the multi-catalog support)
[23:19] <slangasek> cjwatson: hah - I have a cdrkit patch on my hard drive from 2007 to add a -eltorito-efi option to permit setting the correct platform ID
[23:19] <slangasek> cjwatson: perhaps it would be useful to you? :)
[23:22] <cjwatson> slangasek: I'm not sure I want to rip out grub's use of xorriso at this point :)
[23:22] <cjwatson> though it might not hurt for reference
[23:22] <slangasek> right :)
[23:24] <slangasek> "Mark El Torito boot image for use with EFI (Itanium)" - <chuckle>
[23:25] <slangasek> cjwatson: http://people.canonical.com/~vorlon/cdrkit-eltorito-efi.patch
[23:25] <slangasek> the other key part, as I said, is the ordering of the options to genisoimage
[23:26] <slangasek> (which I have recorded here as well if it's useful)
[23:27] <cjwatson> thanks, sure
[23:27] <cjwatson> FWIW, the image I posted was generated by an *almost* vanilla grub-mkrescue from grub trunk
[23:28] <cjwatson> the only thing I changed was a bit of brutalisation to get it to know where to find the BIOS and EFI modules at the same time, since those two grub packages aren't coinstallable yet
[23:28] <cjwatson> which essentially meant running it from the build tree with a hacked prefix and copying some files about
[23:28]  * slangasek nods
[23:29] <slangasek> cjwatson: http://people.canonical.com/~vorlon/multiarch-cd.txt, then
[23:30] <cjwatson> right
[23:31] <cjwatson> FWIW I think the arguments here are coming out as -b boot/grub/i386-pc/eltorito.img -no-emul-boot -boot-info-table --embedded-boot embed.img --efi-boot efi.img
[23:31] <cjwatson> or words to that effect
[23:31] <cjwatson> where efi.img is a FAT filesystem image with /efi/boot/bootx64.efi and /efi/boot/bootia32.efi in it
[23:31] <cjwatson> some of these are probably xorriso-specific options
[23:33] <slangasek> what does the --embedded-boot do?
[23:37] <cjwatson> I think it's an alias for -generic-boot
[23:38] <cjwatson> :q
[23:38] <cjwatson> dodh
[23:38] <cjwatson> you know it's late when you can't spell doh
[23:38] <CynthiaG> and when you type :q in the wrong window, 5 seconds in-between
[23:41] <cjwatson> slangasek: source for this is http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2010-04/msg00000.html and thread, you may do better than I at deciphering it
[23:44] <cjwatson> slangasek: oh, this is from the el torito spec I think
[23:45] <cjwatson> slangasek: if you have it in front of you, there's a figure on page 6 labelled "Three types of CD-ROM configuration", and the one labelled "Multiple Boot-Image Configuration" has a bootable disk image in the first 16 sectors, which is normally unused in single-catalog configurations
[23:45] <cjwatson> slangasek: that's what this is doing
[23:45] <slangasek> ah, right
[23:47] <cjwatson> slangasek: the effect of this, I think, is to make it bootable as a USB stick as well
[23:47]  * slangasek nods
[23:49] <cjwatson> or possibly a floppy
[23:49] <cjwatson> I know that nowadays grub-mkrescue produces a single image that's all three at once
[23:51] <cjwatson> barry: ooh, your MBP says i386-pc, that's interesting
[23:51] <cjwatson> that implies that, given the choice between BIOS and EFI boot images, it picks BIOS
[23:51] <cjwatson> barry: do you have some kind of special arrangement with refit or whatever, or is that all bypassed here?
[23:52] <cjwatson> (BTW this is the desired situation!  it's just slightly unexpected)


[14:59] <NCommander> #startmeeting
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[14:59] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110721#preview
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[14:59] <janimo> hello
[15:00]  * NCommander waits for people to arrive
[15:00]  * GrueMaster has coffee, will type.
[15:01]  * NCommander expects no ogra or davidm so just waiting for the last few regulars
[15:01] <ppisati> o/
[15:01] <GrueMaster> NCommander: Need to update the web page to point to Alpha3 WI.
[15:02] <NCommander> no AI from last week, so standing items
[15:02] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
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[15:02] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html
[15:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html
[15:03] <NCommander> er
[15:03] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-3.html
[15:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-3.html
[15:03] <GrueMaster> Try Alpha 3 workitem tracker please.
[15:04] <davidm> I'm about but OTP so distracted
[15:04] <NCommander> any comments or shall I move on?
[15:05]  * janimo mistyped something agains, as his DONe items appear TODO
[15:05] <GrueMaster> I fixed it janimo.
[15:05] <janimo> GrueMaster, thanks. Was it missing colons?
[15:06] <GrueMaster> yes
[15:06]  * janimo tries to remember for next time
[15:06] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[15:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[15:06] <NCommander> work proceeds very slowly on partman-uboot on getting automated partitioning working for OMAP
[15:07] <NCommander> Omega: did preinstall pool land?
[15:07] <NCommander> er, infinity
[15:07] <GrueMaster> Who?
[15:08] <janimo> Omega, being the last greek letter is almost like infinity
[15:08] <NCommander> ,e [ples infinity
[15:09]  * NCommander pokes infinity
[15:09] <NCommander> we
[15:09] <NCommander> we
[15:09] <NCommander> we'll come back
[15:09] <NCommander> it would be nice if I could type
[15:09] <GrueMaster> He pulled an alnighter.  May be MIA.
[15:10] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati)
[15:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati)
[15:10] <GrueMaster> Yea, that would help.  :P
[15:10] <ppisati> Got an updated BSP from agreen, rebased and pushed to my onerici/ti-omap4-next branch. Sent a pull request to replace oneiric/ti-omap4 with the 3.0.0 version (a binary package is available here: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/ti-omap4-next/), so far testing is good.
[15:11] <ppisati> As a side news, i started triaging marvin24 patches for a possible port to 3.0: so far i counted around 2800 patches.
[15:11] <ppisati> of course the last one is about oneiric/tegra.
[15:11] <ppisati> nothing else to report.
[15:12] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:12] <janimo> ppisati, you mean backport from 3.1 to 3.0
[15:12] <janimo> ?
[15:12] <NCommander> Made progres towards debugging ocaml
[15:12] <janimo> fixed and given back a few of the regulars. no hardcore debugging though
[15:13] <ppisati> janimo: nope, 2.6.38 to 3.0.0
[15:13] <NCommander> confirmed that it looks like a binutils regression
[15:13] <ppisati> janimo: does marvin start a 3 kernel?
[15:13] <janimo> ppisati, marvin24 is integrating his stuff in 3.1, could it be easier to backport?
[15:14] <janimo> ppisati, there's a tegra mailing list, where he sends patches and it gets upstreamed. Some stuff is already in 3.0 _I think_ but am not sure
[15:14] <ppisati> janimo: doh!
[15:15] <NCommander> can I get back to ARM porting?
[15:15] <janimo> ppisati, no worries, the ac100/tegra community is very disorganised and low profile, not obvious where to start
[15:15] <janimo> NCommander, sure, sorry
[15:15] <NCommander> I've filed inoration on the ocaml segfault and a probable cause on the bug and kicked it back to linaro to looks at binutils
[15:16] <NCommander> Beise work on partman-uboot I got nothing else, janimo you got anything ot add?
[15:16]  * janimo does not google what inoration mean as he suspects it is not a word
[15:16]  * GrueMaster hires an interpreter to decipher the last few lines.
[15:17] <NCommander> ugh
[15:17] <NCommander> janimo: do you want to add someting to the ARM porting progress?
[15:17] <janimo> NCommander, nothing besides the first line added on the topic above
[15:18] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:18] <NCommander> I don't have anything to add, althogh infinity was supposed to land preinstall pool on mMonday, I am unsure if it has landed
[15:19] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:20] <GrueMaster> Lots of progress researching and running the required tests for this cycle.
[15:20] <GrueMaster> Now have 5 pandas online at home, with a 6th spare (dup mac address) and 7th in shipping.
[15:21] <GrueMaster> As soon as I can get the tests to run manually and documented, I will work on adding them to jenkins for periodic autotesting.
[15:21] <GrueMaster> Started a wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/QA/Server to document test procedures.
[15:22] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: anything to add?
[15:22] <mahmoh> just testing kernel (3.0.0-1~), apache, IO (a lot of IO)
[15:23] <mahmoh> added plans for cloud and other application testing
[15:23] <mahmoh> will all be documented on the wiki page above
[15:23] <GrueMaster> Spent some time reproducing the USB IO performance bug 709245.  Reproducable from Maverick forward.
[15:23] <mahmoh> that's it for now, if there are things that need to be tested, please bring it to our attention
[15:24] <mahmoh> I did have a question about the server kernel, will there be one or can we just setup netboot install to add elevator=deadline?
[15:24] <GrueMaster> This bug appears to affect all systems with this particular chipset.  It was mentioned on #ubuntu-arm to also be affecting BeagleXM, Beagle, and even Tegra.
[15:26] <GrueMaster> Nothing else to report.
[15:28] <NCommander> [topic] aob
[15:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  aob
[15:28] <NCommander> anything/one else?
[15:29] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[15:29] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:29.
[15:29] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: There probably won't be a server specific armel kernel.
[15:29] <mahmoh> then install should add a scheduler line to boot
[15:29] <mahmoh> Daviey: ^ ^^?
[23:55]  * greg-g waves
[23:56]  * pleia2 waves


[02:10] <jack_^> Anybody tried installing gnome-shell on 11.04 yet?
[20:32] <jeffrash> Leo, there was an article asking why people were following Mark.
[20:32] <jeffrash> I asked myself that question, and unfollowed him.
[20:33] <jeffrash> sorry, guys wrong irc windows.  :)
[20:48] <BugeyeD> i follow mark every time he gets in front of me.
[20:53] <internalkernel> follower
[20:54] <BugeyeD> i can think of worse things to be called
[20:55] <internalkernel> like?
[21:00] <BugeyeD> if i say, you'll just call me those things. and that might upset me.
[21:00] <BugeyeD> you know, because i wear my feelings on my sleeves.
[21:12] <BugeyeD> for the record, i like unity. at least unity-2d (can't run the other). i'm surprised and impressed. doesn't work for my purposes, but i believe it fits some of my customers/family members better than gnome or kde.


[04:41] <KonneyS> Hi there, i just switched from xubuntu to ubuntu studio and basically lost all sound (input and output) Can someone pplease help me here? I think it's going to be the JACK server not having the right soundcard settings, but i cant figure it out :(
[14:53] <studio-user207> hello
[14:53] <studio-user207> someone could help me?
[14:54] <studio-user207> I want to install ubuntustudio on my pc
[14:54] <cfhowlett> !install | studio-user207
[18:00] <luca_> lol
[19:40] <jean_> cook
[19:42] <lars_CB> greetings
[19:42] <lars_CB> anyone with patience and low blood pressure online :-)
[19:50] <lars_CB> Oh well, just wondering how to modify the keymap in Xfce - got a fairly morose windows key sitting here, all gloomy and as useless as wheels on a parakeet.
[23:26] <desiworm> :< help
[23:27] <desiworm> i can't get qjackctl to find my behringer xenyx 1204usb in the connections menu
[23:27] <desiworm> alsa finds it fine, but i need to route my audio output to my speakers in ardour, while using the usb mixer as an input
[23:27] <OvenWerks> desiworm: which version of ubuntustudio?
[23:28] <desiworm> the most current, as far as I know
[23:28] <desiworm> i downloaded the ISO, like, a month ago maybe?
[23:28] <OvenWerks> ok
[23:29] <OvenWerks> you are talking about using two Audio devices which is generally not done in Jack
[23:29] <OvenWerks> You would need to use zita-a2j/j2a for the other sound device
[23:30] <OvenWerks> in a terminal type: arecord -l
[23:30] <OvenWerks> -l is a lower case L
[23:30] <OvenWerks> it will tell you what the name of your USB audio IF is.
[23:32] <desiworm> alright, and zita-a2j/j2a should add channels to help reroute the sound?
[23:32] <OvenWerks> yes.
[23:32] <OvenWerks> for example: zita-a2j -j ${AI2}-in -d hw:${AI2} -r $RATE -p $FRAME -n $PERIOD &
[23:34] <OvenWerks> zita-a2j -j usbinput -d hw:USB -r 48000 -p 1024 -n 2 &
[23:40] <OvenWerks> desiworm: Please note that zita-a2j has to do resampling because your USB IF and your internal IF will have slightly different sample rates even though they are set the same. But zita-a2j/j2a has some of the very best resampling around.
[23:42] <desiworm> YES! that fixed it
[23:42] <desiworm> took me a minute to get the device name right
[23:42] <desiworm> thank you so much :D
[23:43] <desiworm> hm, well, i have input now, but no output through the headphones i'm using :\
[23:48] <desiworm> scratch that, i didn't have it routed correctly.
[23:56] <OvenWerks> desiworm: great. Have fun.