[14:24] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-volumed-pulse 0.2.4 released @ http://www.mail-archive.com/xfce-announce@xfce.org/msg00866.html


[15:27] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: ‘Nordic’ GTK Theme Brings Nord Color Scheme to Linux Desktops @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/nordic-is-a-nord-gtk-theme-for-linux (by Joey Sneddon)
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[22:34] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue718 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue718 :D
[22:44] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Maybe add an introducing header for the bulleted PinePhone item, to make it not look like a subitem of the OTA-21 summary as it does currently - and seems like one could also lose the "#ftag=RSSbaffb68" appendage of its URL.
[22:57] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ack - making it so :D
[23:07] <Bashing-om> UWN: edit completed - next !


[04:12] <surfs^> hi all
[04:13] <surfs^> is there a way to change the duration of the lock screen?
[04:15] <surfs^> this is for Kubuntu 5.04 btw
[04:30] <valorie> duration?
[04:30] <valorie> it stays locked until you unlock it
[04:30] <valorie> do you mean how long before it locks?
[04:30] <valorie> if so, systemsettings
[06:02] <serdar> hi whats up guys :)
[06:02] <Guest84521> ı have a questions
[06:02] <valorie> Guest84521: what is your question?
[06:04] <hyper_ch> what is the meaning of life, the universe and everything else?
[06:04] <valorie> heh
[06:04] <valorie> that's easy!
[06:04] <valorie> 42
[06:05] <hyper_ch> :)
[06:05] <Guest84521> I'm using Kubuntu 15.04, after a long hiatus, I figured it was time to try KDE and has been an outstanding system but the excellent my impression of plasma have a problem with plugins
[06:06] <Guest84521> https://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=169572 How do I install the add-in in the console with the link I tried to install but it didn't work
[06:07] <valorie> one person describes how it worked for them
[06:08] <valorie> not sure; I'm waiting for the official widget
[06:09] <valorie> impatiently, but waiting
[06:11] <Guest84521> comment on the site to a host with a person like me in kubuntu detailing how to understand 15.04 a I'm going to try that method probably will work this time
[06:12] <Guest84521> Tümünü Temizle
[06:12] <Guest84521> Thanks for your help
[06:12] <valorie> best of luck
[06:14] <hyper_ch> people do use the weather tool? oO :)
[06:15] <valorie> I liked it
[06:15] <hyper_ch> why?
[06:15] <valorie> sure, I can use my phone, but got used to it before I had a smartphone
[06:16] <hyper_ch> I don't have one on my smartphone either... I can just look out of the window
[06:16] <valorie> well, for instance I live in the US but am trying to learn the practical centigrade
[06:16] <valorie> so I always had it set to C
[06:17] <valorie> yes, I can look out the window, but it also forecasts
[06:17] <hyper_ch> centigrade? you mean celsius?
[06:17] <valorie> oops, yes
[06:18] <hyper_ch> why do you wanna learn metric system?
[06:18] <valorie> the rest of the world uses it
[06:19] <valorie> dunno why we USAians are so slow
[06:19] <hyper_ch> you can bomb the imperial system into any country you wish ;)
[06:20]  * valorie isn't a bomber
[06:20] <hyper_ch> your commanders and chiefs are
[06:21] <valorie> unfortunately yes
[06:39] <hang> hi all
[06:57] <hangman13us> hey guys
[07:21] <hangman13us> hello?
[07:42] <valorie> hangman13us: this is a help chan, so ask your question
[07:42] <hangman13us> I thought it is always nice to say 'hi' first... that's what mom told me once :D
[07:42] <hangman13us> But Indeed I have a question:
[07:43] <hangman13us> When I watch films - full screen, my PC all of a sudden asks me to login again.
[07:44] <hangman13us> And I went to my power settings: System settings -> Power Mgmt. -> On AC Power - and I unchecked dim/screen energy saving... and suspend session
[07:44] <hangman13us> And yet - this still happens - it wait 15 mins and ask me re-login
[07:44] <hangman13us> :S
[07:45] <hangman13us> Any clue how I can get this fixed? It is 15.04 Kubuntu
[07:53] <Walex> hangman13us: it is the screen locker not just power saving
[07:53] <hangman13us> Hi Walex, how do I manage the screen locker?
[07:57] <hangman13us> Got it... Descktop Behaviour -> Screen Locking.
[11:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:51] <gspr> Has anybody experienced Plasma on Vivid not being able to remember settings? I log in once, and get a desktop that looks like the default. I log out, and back in, and I get all my settings back.
[11:51] <gspr> I can preproduce with a new account with clean home directory
[11:52] <gspr> *reproduce
[12:09] <soee_> gspr: nope, never had that
[12:12] <reyn100> Need some assistance with software install.
[12:12] <reyn100> when I follow these instructions  Linux Instructions: Instructions After downloading the installer, open a Terminal window and type the following two commands: cd Downloads to go to the directory where you downloaded the installer. sh ./PDFStudio_v10_x_x_linux.sh where x_x should be replaced with the current version number. This will start the installer. To install PDF Studio on multiple computers through command-line, you may use o
[12:13] <reyn100> terminal says cd downloads does not exist
[13:23] <fgh> hi
[13:23] <fgh> does anyone speak french?
[13:34] <soee> !fr fgh
[13:34] <soee> !fr | fgh
[13:36] <fgh> thank you, i just join ubuntu-fr. have a good day!
[14:14] <Lyze> Hello! Is there a way to disable the alt + lmb/rmb (resize / move) feature on specific windows?
[14:16] <soee> Lyze: to be honest i don't knwo what it is but check specia window or apps settings/rules
[14:18] <Lyze> soee: under settings -> window behavior -> window actions -> inner window, titlebar & frame. You can set specify a key and some actions what should be done
[14:18] <Lyze> I wan't to ignore it in specific windows
[14:18] <Lyze> under window rules, there's no entry for it
[14:52] <ShishKabab> I'm suspecting KDE5 is slowing down my graphics a lot. I have this laptop: http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/acer+aspire+e3+112+c43a  and am trying to emulate N64 and SNES games, which stutter a lot (both video and audio) even though I've done it succesfuly on much weaker computers. What could be happening here?
[14:57] <Hairo> what kwin compositor are you using?
[14:57] <Hairo> opengl?
[15:02] <ShishKabab> Hairo: I've disabled compositing.
[15:06] <ShishKabab> Hairo: I see, Zsnes, a program which shouldn't use a lot of CPU consume almost an entire 2,3 ghz core , kwin_x11 consuming 6% to 10%, pulseaudio 10% and Xorg 11%.
[15:08] <Hairo> weird, using dolphin (gc/wii emulator) uses max 35% of cpu
[15:08] <Hairo> for me
[15:08] <Hairo> have you tries with a different emulator?
[15:08] <Hairo> *tried
[15:08] <OerHeks> Maybe Znes is not optimised and takes one core, is that bad?
[15:10] <ShishKabab> Hairo: Well, I've been using it always and also with 1,5 ghz single core CPUs, so it should just work on this emulator. Same with Project 64 through Wine.
[15:16] <Hairo> wine might be the problem
[15:17] <ShishKabab> Hairo: Zsnes is not running on Wine.
[15:18] <ShishKabab> And as I've said, even PJ64 which is running through Wine always ran smoothly.
[15:18] <Hairo> have you tried snes9x?
[15:20] <ShishKabab> Hairo: Not yet, will do. But zsnes has always worked fine for me and since this problem persists across multiple programs that normally work perfecty, I doubt it will change anything.
[15:20] <ShishKabab> snes9x is not in the repos.
[15:24] <noahmg123> how can I make my window button be on the same level as te tabs in chrome (like in windows)
[17:19] <hyper_ch> your commanders and chiefs are
[17:19] <hyper_ch> so, another Raspi setup to act as backup server :)
[17:27] <mmcgarr> noahmg123: If you right-click beside your open tabs in chrome there's an option to 'Use system title bar and borders'
[17:28] <mmcgarr> I Think that's what you're looking for at least
[18:15] <skomorokh> It is reasonable for accounts-daemon to be taking 1.2G of memory?
[18:15] <skomorokh> With two users?
[18:15] <skomorokh> 1168 root      20   0 1604632 1.266g   6040 S   0.0  5.4   1:00.00 accounts-daemon
[18:28] <Dragnslcr> skomorokh: probably not. I have it using 288 KB.
[18:32] <skomorokh> Bleh. Google isn't showing me much for the past 3 months on "memory leak accounts-daemon" ...and earlier results are largely closed bugs from 2013
[18:38] <skomorokh> Is it no longer possible to resize the k menu?
[18:44] <airking> So, I have an odd problem
[18:44] <airking> I think
[18:44] <airking> I had crunchbang installed before kubuntu, and I just did sudo apt-get update, and it connected to the crunhbang mirror
[18:44] <airking> packages.crunchbang.org
[18:44] <airking> is that... a problem?
[18:45] <airking> Anyone know anything about that?
[18:59] <Dragnslcr> airking: definitely something you want to fix, but if all you did was apt-get update, nothing should be permanently broken
[18:59] <Dragnslcr> My guess is that you somehow kept part of your apt configuration from the old installation
[19:01] <Dragnslcr> You can configure your sources in a GUI package manager (such as Muon), or look at the sources files in /etc/apt
[19:05] <bsvxlv> Есть кто живой?
[19:06] <Unit193> !ru | bsvxlv
[20:12] <N3X15> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346481 Getting this issue on my laptop (Lenovo U550) as well, now
[20:12] <N3X15> Just a heads-up.
[20:21] <Ninjahmahs> hello kubuntuers, i be new to the world of kubuntu flavour, so far me likey
[20:30] <soee_> hiho Ninjahmahs
[20:30] <Ninjahmahs> hohi soee_
[21:01] <noaXess> hey all.. is there a date/time format issue in plasma 5.. have setup de_CH but still got us format in digital clock widget
[21:04] <Ninjahmahs> hi guys, do i need to purge nouveau to get my nvidia driver to function properly, my driver manager states im using nvidia driver but i get tearing scrolling in firefox?
[21:05] <soee_> Ninjahmahs: check ig you have fullscreen repaint in system settings for compositor
[21:05] <soee_> but it is known that there is tearing with nvidia driver
[21:06] <Ninjahmahs> ok
[21:06] <Ninjahmahs> just was curious as i wasnt getting it so bad in mint, but i had to come off mint as 14.04 was causing reboots and i couldnt cure them
[21:07] <Ninjahmahs> compositors set to automatic
[21:08] <Ninjahmahs> should i set it to full screen repaint or is that what i dont want it on
[21:08] <Zippi> I had to set fullscreen repaint to get rid of tearing
[21:08] <Zippi> But then again, for me at least it wouldn't stay on after reboot
[21:09] <Ninjahmahs> hmm
[21:10] <Ninjahmahs> i will continue to look for solid solutions but that does seem to have eased it
[21:10] <Ninjahmahs> thanks
[22:11] <Grokling> Hey guys - tooltips in libreoffice? The tooltip box appears, but there's no text in it. Anyone else having this experience?
[23:47] <danielle31> Hi all. I'm having a strange problem. Near my house is a BT Openzone network. When I disconect from it, my laptop completely freezes. I can't change virtual terminal, sysrq doesn't work (it does normally), and the capslock light blinks intermittently. I can't even hold the power btn for power off. The only thng I can do is unplug the battery and the mains. Any idea what could cause this?
[23:47] <danielle31> And here's the weirdest thing: it only happens when disconecting from that specific wifi network


[00:13] <pleia2> nhandler: I think we're as close as we'll get to ready to publish, fire when ready
[00:35] <benonsoftware> Hi all
[00:37] <nhandler> pleia2: Will do.
[00:37] <nhandler> Thanks a lot
[03:21] <pleia2> oh, and I should publish one of these weeks (not next - too busy, not the one after that either, i'll be out of town all weekend)
[03:21] <pleia2> just so we can confirm we've got all the processes documented and flowing
[03:21] <holstein> pleia2 nhandler
[03:21] <pleia2> hi there holstein
[03:21] <holstein> if you guys do anything i can learn from, try and keep it in the channel
[03:21] <holstein> if possible
[03:22] <pleia2> will do!
[03:22]  * nhandler is publishing now
[03:22] <pleia2> holstein: then we can have you publish some week too!
[03:22] <holstein> i got a little wiki-fu
[03:23] <nhandler> We should probably try to actually set up a schedule for the jobs (we have the wiki page)
[03:23] <holstein> and somebody's gotta do the summaries
[03:23] <nhandler> The biggest road block with publishing is that it requires access (or finding people with access) to the Fridge, Forum, and ML
[03:24] <pleia2> I need to find the brain bandwidth to review all our Suggested things and just go ahead and merge them in to something we're using
[03:38]  * nhandler notes that we should probably setup fridge.ubuntu.com so it doesn't simply redirect to ubuntu-news.org
[03:38] <pleia2> the syadmins are going to hunt me down and turn off my email if I submit another ticket, so I'd appreciate it if someone else could handle it :)
[03:39] <pleia2> they've been really good about responding lately, haven't had to wait more than a week unless there was a misunderstanding
[03:39] <nhandler> pleia2: I can. If possible, poke me in the morning when I am more likely to do it
[03:39] <pleia2> will do
[03:45] <nhandler> Thanks
[03:47] <nhandler> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue223
[03:49] <pleia2> \o/
[03:50] <nhandler> Thanks everyone who helped out with this issue
[03:50] <holstein> w00t!
[05:19] <alourie> pleia2: sure, I can do that. I can also hunt for news and write summaries :-)
[05:20] <pleia2> alourie: actually it's already been released, you don't want to edit anything on 223 now
[05:20] <pleia2> I'm going to revert that change you made (sorry)
[05:21] <pleia2> but it all starts again next weekend!
[06:05] <alourie> pleia2: I haven't done anything yet, it wasn't me :-)
[06:05] <alourie> I worked though on older version, just before the small recession
[06:06] <alourie> *versions
[06:06] <pleia2> oh, oops :)
[06:06] <pleia2> looks like an andregondim made the change I had to revert
[06:07] <alourie> :-)
[06:07] <alourie> well, if he did - he missed the release anyway
[06:08]  * pleia2 nods
[06:11] <alourie> great, work on it next week then :-)
[06:11]  * alourie is looking for links Amber sent him once
[06:15] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/LinkSuggestions is the one she sent us
[06:16] <alourie> pleia2: ^^^ that's it :-)
[06:17] <pleia2> :)
[06:17] <alourie> great
[06:17] <pleia2> things are a bit scattered, trying to get it all together now, I linked that to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies/HowToEdit
[06:20] <alourie> pleia2: yes, I've seen it! You're doing an amazing job!
[06:20] <alourie> it's much clearer now
[06:21] <alourie> s/clearer/more clear/
[06:21] <pleia2> thanks, glad to hear it :)
[06:29] <alourie> pleia2: I was also thinking, maybe, about automating some of the steps
[06:30] <alourie> but that's for another day ;-)
[06:40] <pleia2> alourie: some of the stuff is automated (like collecting security and updates), you can check out the scripts here: https://code.launchpad.net/uwn
[06:41] <pleia2> and exporting some of the stuff in publishing
[06:41] <pleia2> there is probably more we can automate, and would be good
[06:59] <alourie> pleia2: sure thing
[10:11] <NRWlion> hey
[10:11] <MooDoo> hello
[10:12] <NRWlion> MooDoo: how is your day?
[10:13] <MooDoo> NRWlion, very busy but fun, just downloading ubuntu server....so i can replace my windows server
[10:13] <NRWlion> :D dont let me disturb you
[10:13] <NRWlion> :D
[10:14] <MooDoo> NRWlion, don't worry i'm at work as well i'm remote desktopping into my server :)
[10:15] <NRWlion> MooDoo: another reason for me to let you do your work
[10:16] <MooDoo> lol don't worry :) i've got two monitors :)
[10:32] <NRWlion> MooDoo: i would like to have those too :(
[10:32] <MooDoo> it's handy while at work :)
[10:33] <NRWlion> need 2 work at a 12 inch one :(
[10:38] <NRWlion> MooDoo: are you on facebook
[10:40] <MooDoo> NRWlion, yes i am paulmellors
[10:41] <MooDoo> i think lol
[10:41] <NRWlion> MooDoo: are you able to access facebook atm?
[10:42] <MooDoo> yes
[10:42] <MooDoo> https://www.facebook.com/paulrjmellors
[10:42] <NRWlion> ok, then i have been banned from fb
[10:42] <NRWlion> strange
[10:42] <MooDoo> ah book
[10:42] <MooDoo> booo
[10:43] <NRWlion> weird. getting via your profile works
[10:43] <NRWlion> :(
[10:43] <MooDoo> wierd
[18:48] <pleia2> welcome Andre_Gondim
[18:48] <pleia2> Andre_Gondim will be doing the translation stats for us each sunday :)
[18:48] <Andre_Gondim> thanks pleia2 :D
[18:49] <holstein> Andre_Gondim: o/
[18:49] <holstein> thanks for your help
[19:00] <nhandler> pleia2: Did we ever figure out where the stats were being pulled from in the past? Or do we just want to set a new policy going forward?
[19:01] <pleia2> our former volunteer doesn't respond to emails so we never found out, I'm inclined to go with whatever Andre_Gondim wants
[19:02] <pleia2> we should document that though
[19:02] <Andre_Gondim> I think the import is to show the stats and wiki about translations
[19:59] <NRWlion> hi there


[07:15] <soee> good morning
[09:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:28] <Riddell> hola chicos
[09:28] <Riddell> soee: pong
[09:40] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: did you manage to get anywhere with libkpeople yesterday?
[09:47] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Hi yes am making progress.
[09:53] <Riddell> where did you get to?
[10:02] <soee> Riddell: you said yesterday that there are some problems with packaging kde-telepathy?
[10:05] <Riddell> soee: not problems just that it's a big task
[10:05] <Riddell> I got it all done for vivid except putting it in debian git and libkpeople which Sick_Rimmit is working on
[10:06] <Sick_Rimmit> Yes, I have a build almost working just got to get the KDE symbols patch to work properly
[10:06] <Sick_Rimmit> Then I will package for Vivid
[10:06] <Sick_Rimmit> Hope to get utopic build completed this evening, sgclark is helping me
[10:10] <Riddell> she's handy like that
[10:13] <soee> Riddell: cool, thanks
[10:28] <sgclark> morning
[10:28] <lordievader> Hey sgclark, how are you?
[10:28] <sgclark> good, yourself?
[10:30] <lordievader> Doing allright, got coffee :)
[10:30] <sgclark> me too!
[10:30] <lordievader> Well, no longer. Just finished it.  I am working on a vivid chroot now.
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:40] <sgclark> hiyas
[11:48] <BluesKaj> a user wants to remove systemd from 14.10 is this possible without breakage?
[11:49] <Riddell> um, it's not in 14.10
[11:49] <Riddell> but the bits of systemd which are in will be used so they'd be very much on their own
[11:50] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: why?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> yeah, I know the boot section isn't enabled unless set up manually in grub and it's used by udev otherwise
[11:53] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, a user was asking in $kubuntu
[11:54] <BluesKaj> err #kubuntu
[12:22] <sgclark> Riddell: oh, no next for vivid or ?
[12:24] <Riddell> sgclark: how do you mean?
[12:24] <sgclark> plasma5
[12:24] <sgclark> ppa
[12:24] <Riddell> right.  I haven't quite got it sorted in my head but I think kf5 and plasma5 packages should go in the normal PPAs not the next ones
[12:25] <Riddell> for vivid
[12:25] <Riddell> and indeed into the archive proper
[12:25] <sgclark> ahh that makes sense
[13:23] <soee> Riddell: plasma5 will be default in vv ?
[13:33] <Riddell> soee: I'm saying it is, nobody objecting so far
[13:34] <soee> +1
[14:01] <Riddell> debfx: debian is on cmake 3?
[14:08] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi riddell
[14:09] <_Groo_> i backported (actually upported :P) cmplayer to utopic, what is the proper way to commit it for our beloved kubuntu
[14:09] <Riddell> what is cmplayer?
[14:10] <soee> Riddell: this http://cmplayer.github.io/ ?
[14:12] <sgclark> ScottK: despite my best efforts, I don't believe qwt-6.1.1 will be accepted into debian due to Doxygen shipping a minified jquery.js and linking to system causes bad formatted docs. There are piles of bugs all over with this problem. Let me know if you have ideas.
[14:12] <Riddell> _Groo_: I guess put it in a PPA for vivid so it's easily available/testable and then e-mail kubuntu-devel or ubuntu-motu or work out how to get it into debian
[14:14] <_Groo_> soee: yep
[14:15] <_Groo_> Riddell: any chance of backporting it to utopic? its a very nice (vaapi/vdpau enabled) qt5.x player... the best for us (kde) in my opinion, by far
[14:15] <_Groo_> Riddell: in my ppa i already have the utopic version ready
[14:15] <Riddell> vaapi/vdpau?
[14:15] <_Groo_> Riddell: yep
[14:16] <Riddell> _Groo_: yeah it can be backported but it has to be in current before it can be backported :)
[14:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: right, my question is... to be able to add it i need to go: vivid -> motu -> debian -> current -> backports?
[14:18] <debfx> Riddell: yep, although after reading kde-core-devel I'm not sure if that was a good idea.
[14:19] <Riddell> debfx: do you have any recommendation for kubuntu vivid (current development)
[14:19] <Riddell> ?
[14:20] <Riddell> _Groo_: I think options are  kubuntu to vivid -> utopic-backports   motu to vivid -> utopic-backports   or  debian -> vivid -> utopic-backports
[14:20] <Riddell> debian would be best as that would make it available to the most people
[14:20] <Riddell> but probably not the easiest
[14:21] <Riddell> and I honestly don't know if motu take contributions any more
[14:21]  * sgclark agrees
[14:21] <Riddell> they may just send you to debian
[14:23] <debfx> Riddell: do you know if cmake or kde-frameworks has been fixed?
[14:28] <Riddell> debfx: fixed for what?
[14:33] <debfx> Riddell: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-buildsystem&m=141409836220076&w=2
[14:45] <Riddell> debfx: ah so it's an issue with cmake 3.1
[14:46] <Peace-> i got an error compiling kdeconnect 0.7.2 that it's this
[14:47] <Peace-> CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/KDE4Macros.cmake:1021 (add_executable):
[14:47] <Peace->   Cannot find source file:
[14:47] <Peace->     ../core/backends/lan/socketlinereader.cpp
[14:47] <Riddell> debfx: just spoke to upstream plasma who says cmake 3.1 should be fixed and cmake upstream responded quickly
[14:47] <Riddell> debfx: it looks all green http://build.kde.org/view/Frameworks/
[14:47] <Peace-> because kde connect has a bad bug on kubuntu , you can't use android like mouse ...
[14:47] <Peace-> i had to compile it but :D i got that weirdo message apt-file say nothing about socketlinereader
[14:49] <Riddell> Peace-: that suggests to me the file is missing in kdeconnect sources no?
[14:49] <Peace-> mmm
[14:49] <Peace-> let me download again the source code
[14:49] <Peace-> Riddell: anyway thank you for the tip
[14:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: so if debian is hard, and motu doesnt accept contributions, the only way is to leave it in a ppa?
[14:51] <Peace-> Riddell: ;D damn it it was that i used the old folder and maybe i have deleted something thank you very much !
[14:52] <Riddell> _Groo_: no it leaves kubuntu (and I don't know if motu accepts anything, they're not very active)
[14:52] <Riddell> _Groo_: either way you go you should put it in your PPA just so it's easy for others to test
[14:52] <_Groo_> Riddell: its already there
[14:52] <_Groo_> i just wanted to send it to kubuntu-ninjas and perhaps backports ppa
[14:53] <_Groo_> or wherever you send packages to die now
[14:53] <Riddell> _Groo_: for vivid? cos that's what we'll care about in the first instance
[14:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: sure, i can repackage it for vivid
[14:53] <sgclark> Riddell: vivid qwt port https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-vivid/+packages
[14:54] <Riddell> sgclark: awooga
[14:54] <sgclark> Riddell: wqt qt4 ? or is there a more pressing package / anything that needs doing?
[14:54] <sgclark> s/wqt/qwt/
[14:54] <kubotu> sgclark meant: "Riddell: qwt qt4 ? or is there a more pressing package / anything that needs doing?"
[14:55] <Riddell> sgclark: was about to ask, I think while you're on qwt you may as well finish the job
[14:55] <Riddell> infact I don't want to look at qwt-qt5 until qt4 is there too so I can compare the two
[14:55] <sgclark> ok qt4 it is!
[14:55] <sgclark> okies
[14:56] <debfx> Riddell: so it only affected 3.1 but not 3.0?
[14:57] <Riddell> debfx: it only affected 3.1 RC I think, cmake 3.1 in git is fine
[14:58] <Riddell> and not at all 3.0
[14:58] <debfx> ok, then it makes sense to pull 3.0 into vivid
[15:00] <Riddell> debfx: bug 1357270 is a previous merge for cmake 2.8 and there's a couple of changes it thinks should be kept in ubuntu, any idea if they're relevant for cmake 3?
[15:00] <Riddell> neither seem to be ubuntu specific
[15:02] <debfx> I haven't checked, though I kind of doubt that the MultiArchCross stuff has been upstreamed.
[15:03] <Riddell> debfx: don't you want to upstream them to debian at least?
[15:04] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, its in https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/peppa/+packages
[15:06] <Riddell> _Groo_: that package has no .orig tar
[15:07] <Riddell> _Groo_: where does the version number come from? 0.8.16-3~padoka2  was is -3 ?
[15:07] <Riddell> what is -3 ?
[15:08] <debfx> Riddell: possibly if the author opens a bug and explains the changes. but debian is frozen now anyway.
[15:08] <_Groo_> Riddell: 0.8.16 is the software version number
[15:09] <_Groo_> -3 is my third iteration with it (i have it installed locally via one of my other ppas)
[15:09] <_Groo_> ~padoka is my own brand
[15:09] <Riddell> _Groo_: can you upload it with a .orig tar ?
[15:10] <_Groo_> debuild -S -sa didnt create the orig?
[15:11] <Riddell> _Groo_: the orig is created by you, that's why it's called original :)
[15:11] <_Groo_> better question, how do i make debuild ask or use for the orig file?:
[15:11] <Riddell> debian/source/format needs to be  3.0 (native)  I think
[15:11] <_Groo_> already there
[15:12] <Riddell> oh no that's wrong
[15:12] <_Groo_> k, im downloading the original source code from the website
[15:12] <Riddell> 3.0 (quilt)
[15:12] <Riddell> is the one
[15:28] <_Groo_> Riddell: how do you want the version format?
[15:28] <_Groo_> 0.8.16-0~ppa0 ?
[15:35] <_Groo_> Riddell: done.. should be ok now
[15:38] <Riddell> _Groo_: boom, compile failure
[15:41] <_Groo_> it was working fine before
[15:41] <_Groo_> before i created the orig file
[15:41] <_Groo_> *(@&#*(&@#
[15:43] <Riddell> I would expect the orig tar to come from upstream rather than you having to create it
[15:43] <_Groo_> it was from upstream, thats why it doesnt compile lol
[15:43] <_Groo_> its missing code
[15:44] <_Groo_> it need to download ffmpeg and libcharset
[15:45] <_Groo_> and fails
[15:45] <_Groo_> libchardet
[15:46] <_Groo_> im remaking the orig file to add the missing external dependencies
[15:46] <_Groo_> i forget thats why i renamed it padoka instead of orig, to know i had to add stuff by hand :P
[15:48] <_Groo_> where can i get a COPYRIGHT file
[15:48] <_Groo_> its missing that one
[15:48] <_Groo_> CHANGES COPYING, GPL MPL all there
[15:48] <_Groo_> just COPYRIGHT is missing
[15:49] <Riddell> ah it downloads stuff at build time, that's not going to work with ubuntu packaging indeed
[15:49] <Riddell> ffmpeg may not have a happy licence for ubuntu either
[15:52] <_Groo_> remade the package, uploading now
[15:52] <_Groo_> lets see how it goes
[15:53] <Riddell> usually best to test in pbuilder if you're unsure
[15:54] <_Groo_> it will work :P
[15:54] <_Groo_> 110% sure
[16:30] <ScottK> sgclark: I _think_ you can use the "built-using" field to specify with doxygen you built the package with and then the doxygen in question is the "source" for the js.
[16:30] <ScottK> There's a thread on the topic on debian-devel right now.
[16:31] <sgclark> ok, will look, thanks ScottK
[16:58] <karan> hey i am planning to apply for  Project: Finish test.kubuntu.co.uk for KDE SOC and looking out for mentors here.
[17:06] <Riddell> hi karan, I'm afraid that's already taken up by another student who's already started working
[17:08] <karan> are there no other vacanies for it?
[17:09] <Riddell> not for that website I fear
[17:09] <Riddell> now replacing www.kde.org, there's a project, but I think more than the three months worth
[17:09] <Riddell> debfx: cmake 3.0.2 uploaded to vivid!
[17:13] <karan> okay thats not a problem but what technologies are required for it?
[17:14] <Riddell> karan: for kubuntu.org? we want to move to wordpress which is php and mysql and of course a good eye for design and readability
[17:16] <karan> i know wordpress and ussing its plugins, and for the database part i am familiar with mysql but i dont know php but am ready to learn it
[17:17] <Riddell> kde.org is raw php (and html) which is crappy, whenever I have to write a release announcement I end up feeling like I'm back in 2000
[17:17] <Riddell> you could ask on the kde-www list if there are any jobs that need doing and if anyone will mentor them
[17:22] <karan> Riddell: thanks a lot :)
[17:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: phonon default for kubuntu?  gstreamer or vlc?
[17:48] <sgclark> ScottK: Unfortunately, Built-Using: libjs-jquery (= 1.7.1) did absolutely nothing except add embedded jquery lintian error to my pile of source-missing errors. Doxygen lumps several js scripts into this Jquery file which might be the problem. In one of the million bug reports Doxygen closed the bug saying they will not change their method.
[17:48]  * sgclark bangs head
[17:49] <sgclark> Riddell: do we care about this issue? I am otherwise done...
[17:51] <Riddell> grr, doxygen are evil
[17:53] <Riddell> sgclark: yes we do but if you want to quietly slip it in you wouldn't be the first
[17:56] <sgclark> well it seems to be a comon problem with no solutions
[18:00] <_Groo_> Riddell: k now its working https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/peppa/+packages
[18:01] <Riddell> _Groo_: a good first step :)
[18:01] <_Groo_> Riddell: funny man :P
[18:02] <Riddell> thank you, I'm here all week
[18:02] <_Groo_> Riddell: lolololol
[18:02] <Riddell> actually no I'm not I think I'll be away tomorrow
[18:03] <_Groo_> why? out of booze?
[18:06] <Riddell> not at all, I have a guest staying this week and it would be nice to go for a healthy walk in the hills
[18:06] <_Groo_> Riddell: take a shovel
[18:07] <_Groo_> reiser did the exacts same walk with is lovely wife
[18:07] <_Groo_> if you have an iphone, siri can help with finding a place to ditch the body(ies)
[18:08] <_Groo_> you welcome :)
[18:10] <Riddell> black humour that
[18:10] <_Groo_> humour, what humour? oO
[18:10] <_Groo_> i just dont want you to make the same mistakes i did!
[18:13] <_Groo_> ;)
[18:13] <_Groo_> so, now that cmplayer is compiled, with a orig file and in a ppa, now hat?
[18:13] <_Groo_> what?
[18:16] <Riddell> _Groo_: you need someone to review it, e-mail kubuntu-devel and someone will take a look as soon as possible
[18:16] <_Groo_> define someone
[18:16] <_Groo_> what is the kubuntu-devel email?
[18:17] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[18:17] <Riddell> I'll take a look when I can, I just want the e-mail as a reminder
[18:17] <_Groo_> what do i write in the email? hi, my name is groo, i like long walks at the beach, unicorns and world peace?
[18:17] <Riddell> or maybe someone else will get there first
[18:17] <Riddell> yep that will endear you to us for sure
[18:18] <Riddell> but you might also want to mention you want this package reviewed
[18:18] <Riddell> I suspect the tricky point will be inclusion of ffmpeg
[18:19] <_Groo_> since its statically compiled in the included mplayer i dont see why not... its not messing with the libav in thesystem, is all contained
[18:19] <_Groo_> its
[18:19] <Riddell> there's patent issues in libav I think
[18:20] <Riddell> but I'm not sure, need to remind myself
[18:20] <_Groo_> do i need to be authorized to post to kubuntu-devel?
[18:20] <Riddell> no but you need to be a member
[18:23] <_Groo_> just sent it, see if you got it in the list
[18:37] <ScottK> sgclark: I don't think it'll make lintian happy, but I think it's policy compliant.
[18:37] <ScottK> I brought it up in the d-devel thread and no one said I was wrong yet.
[18:45] <Riddell> ScottK: any idea why smokegen is in main?
[18:48] <sgclark> ScottK: ok, I will provide a link to the thread when trying for sponsership. Best I can do, because I am short on better ideas.
[18:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: did my email show up in themlist?
[18:55] <Riddell> _Groo_: nope not seem it
[18:56] <Riddell> nothing here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2014-October/thread.html
[18:56] <Riddell> what address did you post from and what address did you sign up from?
[19:11]  * Riddell blogs https://blogs.kde.org/2014/10/29/kubuntu-vivid-bright-blue
[19:13] <_Groo_> Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>i sent
[19:14] <_Groo_> subscribed through https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[19:14] <Riddell> _Groo_: what's your address?
[19:15] <_Groo_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:15]  * sgclark shares
[19:15] <Riddell> _Groo_: you weren't a member, I just added you, try resending your e-mail
[19:15] <Riddell> kubotu: yay!
[19:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: strange i sent the membership request
[19:17] <_Groo_> k just resend it
[19:20] <_Groo_> did it came through?
[19:20] <_Groo_> in a non sexual way?
[19:22] <sgclark> Riddell: shared on all our social stuffs
[19:22]  * sgclark back to hating doxygen
[19:23] <Riddell> yay thanks sgclark
[19:28] <_Groo_> Riddell: did you get it? in the list?
[19:28] <Riddell> _Groo_: yep got it now thanks
[19:35] <_Groo_> k
[19:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: any news on having a weekly build for plasma 5.2 branch?
[19:36] <_Groo_> for testing, destruction, general fun and games
[19:44] <Riddell> _Groo_: voila http://files.kde.org/snapshots/
[19:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: not an ISO, a ppa
[19:53] <_Groo_> so i can just do dist-upgrade and go back to play with my pink poneis
[19:56] <Riddell> _Groo_: voila https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable
[19:56] <_Groo_> THANK YOU< HUHUUUUUU, updating now...
[19:57] <_Groo_> mayhem, destruction, annihilation here i come!
[19:58] <_Groo_> should i keep the plasma-next? or just this one?
[20:24] <Sick_Rimmit> Hmm after practicing (wrestling) with pkgkde-symbolshelper I have a Utopic build of libkpeople3 underway
[20:24] <sgclark> _Groo_: depends how brave you are, unstable is just that.. unstable
[20:24] <Sick_Rimmit> Fingers crossed it builds right this time
[20:25]  * sgclark cheers Sick_Rimmit
[20:34] <Sick_Rimmit> Nah!
[20:34] <Sick_Rimmit> I'm not having any joy
[20:34] <Sick_Rimmit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8737547/
[20:34] <Sick_Rimmit> I think the problem is the libkpeople4 libraries causing a SONAME mismatch
[20:35] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: yup, you need to rename the packages in control file remove 3 and ues 4
[20:35] <sgclark> use*
[20:35] <sgclark> SONAME was bumped to 4
[20:36] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: this will also mean you will need to fix install files etc, anything to do with the package name chage
[20:36]  * Sick_Rimmit brain gears whirr,
[20:37] <sgclark> heh, be happy you are not packaging the beast I have been working on, banging my head against a wall
[20:38] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: open the control file in /debian
[20:39] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: OK
[20:39] <Sick_Rimmit> open
[20:39] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: look for Package: libkpeople3 and all other Package: blahblah3
[20:39] <Sick_Rimmit> OK
[20:39] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: those need to be changed to 4 instead of 5
[20:39] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: those need to be changed to 4 instead of 3...
[20:40] <Sick_Rimmit> OK Understood s/4/3/
[20:40] <_Groo_> strange, they were supposed to have fixed the wallpaper "ghost" thumbnail bug, but its till here
[20:40] <_Groo_> maybe i need to clean .config,.ccache etc etc
[20:40] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: you will noticed in the /debian there are .install files for each package in the control file
[20:41] <Sick_Rimmit> OK
[20:41] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: those need to be renamed to match your new 4 packages
[20:42] <soee> _Groo_: clearing cache does not helped me, though iv seen some videos from Poalsma5 where the ghost thumbs were gone, not sure how though
[20:42] <soee> maybe some fresh installation
[20:43] <_Groo_> soee: :P
[20:43] <Sick_Rimmit> OK 2 Package: entries changed in control, and one .install file
[20:43] <_Groo_> whoever had the bright idea of moving .kde to all over the place should be shot in the face
[20:43] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: that copyright error is simply on line 74 there is a blank line. All blank lines inside License: need to have a period rather than the blank line.
[20:44] <sgclark> the seems rather harsh _Groo_
[20:44] <_Groo_> it was so easy, remove .kde, there, pristine desktop
[20:44] <_Groo_> now you need to hunt this shit all over the place :P
[20:44] <_Groo_> sgclark: fine just hand him by the balls in some public place till he passes out
[20:45]  * Sick_Rimmit Ah I am starting to understand
[20:47] <Sick_Rimmit> OK, my thoughts are that I need not pkgkde-symbols patch. having made those changes I should now try to pbuild again. yes ?
[20:48] <Sick_Rimmit> Sorry that's not clear
[20:48] <Sick_Rimmit> I mean it should be ready for me to try to pbuild again
[20:48] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: Yeah out-of-date-standards needs you to go through https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist can leave that for this package until you read that and get more experience
[20:48] <Sick_Rimmit> Im gonna DO IT
[20:49] <sgclark> lol go for it
[21:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like smokegen is main because debconf uses libqtgui4-perl.
[21:43] <Riddell> oh yes that rings a bell
[21:44] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: how's it going?
[21:44] <Sick_Rimmit> Yep its going
[21:44] <Sick_Rimmit> Infact your question is timely, I almost have a decent build
[21:45] <Sick_Rimmit> Looks like I fxied the symbols stuff, thanks to sgclark
[21:45] <Sick_Rimmit> Can you point me in the direction of the right file to correct htis
[21:45] <Sick_Rimmit> libkpeople source: syntax-error-in-dep5-copyright line 74: Continuation line outside a paragraph (maybe line 73 should be " .").
[21:46] <Sick_Rimmit> Is it the copyright file in /debian
[21:46] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: yes
[21:46] <Sick_Rimmit> Hmmm right. I corrected that file..
[21:46] <Sick_Rimmit> It has BSD License line entry which ends para with a Colon :
[21:47] <Sick_Rimmit> Hang On - ill paste it
[21:47] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: ok
[21:47] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah its OK I see it I see now
[21:48] <Sick_Rimmit> I did realise how the copyright file was formatting EOL..
[21:48] <Sick_Rimmit> its using a . on its own line
[21:48] <Sick_Rimmit> fixing it
[21:49] <Sick_Rimmit> building again
[21:50] <Sick_Rimmit> My suspicion is that the Build for vivid should just be a quick dch change to the target and a new pbuild chroot.. yes ?
[21:50] <sgclark> Riddell: qwt-qt4 and qwt-qt5 for vivid building in https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-vivid/+packages
[21:50] <valorie> Quintasan: you were working on redshift?
[21:50] <valorie> I could have used it yesterday
[21:50] <Quintasan> valorie: Yes, that seems to be the case.
[21:51] <valorie> it was broken for me
[21:51] <Quintasan> And I know what's broken but couldn't get it into utopic since I was busy
[21:51] <valorie> I did file a bug, and saw yours too
[21:51] <Quintasan> I'll fix the dependency one.
[21:51] <Quintasan> About geoclue - no idea.
[21:51] <valorie> and actually I experienced your bug in 14.10 but didn't file it
[21:51] <valorie> boo on me
[21:52] <valorie> darn it
[21:52] <valorie> for now I installed a dark theme, but there are white bits all over the place
[21:52] <sgclark> yofel: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1330180 would you like me to backport to trusty or was there an issue?
[21:52] <sgclark> err
[21:53] <valorie> hi sgclark, did you end up coming to Seattle last Sunday?
[21:53] <sgclark> yofel: #1330180 would you like me to backport to trusty or was there an issue?
[21:53] <sgclark> valorie: nah, I had some life stuff to work through :(
[21:54] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[21:54] <sgclark> ty
[21:58]  * Sick_Rimmit Get in there you beauty
[21:58] <Sick_Rimmit> libkpeople is built
[21:59] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: Please can you cast your eye over this
[21:59] <Sick_Rimmit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8738422/
[22:00] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: no errors :) looks to be a work of perfection
[22:00] <Sick_Rimmit> Awesome
[22:00] <Sick_Rimmit> OK what do I do with,
[22:01] <Sick_Rimmit> I mean can I push it up to the repo
[22:01] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: you have a personal ppa set up?
[22:01] <Sick_Rimmit> can I can I
[22:01] <Sick_Rimmit> Ooo err...
[22:01] <Sick_Rimmit> dunno
[22:01] <Sick_Rimmit> let me have a look
[22:01] <valorie> folks, are people here successfully using kdeconnect with plasma 5?
[22:01] <valorie> it won't start for me at all
[22:02] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: it took alot of packaging to get push rights. I usually put in a personal ppa you can set up on your launchpad page
[22:02] <valorie> along with redshift, kpat, and the puzzle thing I tried last night
[22:02] <Sick_Rimmit> No I have no PPA's setup
[22:02] <valorie> not sure if it is us, or KDE problem
[22:02] <sgclark> valorie: I had to do some funky dbus command to get it to work. let me see if I can find post
[22:03] <sgclark> not ideal for your typical user though I suspect
[22:03] <valorie> so is that a packaging problem, or should I file a bug in KDE against kdeconnect?
[22:04] <sgclark> oh I don't kinow, I have never looked at that package
[22:05] <valorie> ok
[22:05] <valorie> after I installed palapeli, and tried to run it, I got the same error message I get with kpat
[22:05] <valorie> KDEInit could not launch 'kpat':
[22:05] <valorie> Could not open library '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_kpat'.
[22:05] <valorie> Cannot load library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_kpat: (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_kpat.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[22:06] <sgclark> err
[22:06] <valorie> I filed a bko bug, but perhaps it was the wrong place to file
[22:07] <Sick_Rimmit> OK Looking at your profile sgclarkmy thinking is to create 2 PPA's kubuntu-utopic, and kubuntu-vivid
[22:07] <sgclark> libkdeinit5_kpat.so is a frameworks build... and afasik we don't have any apps yet frameworks builds
[22:07] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: yeah
[22:07] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: Cool thanks for your reassurance
[22:08] <valorie> sgclark: are you saying that the games have been ported to f5, and that is why they aren't working?
[22:08] <valorie> or that they have not
[22:09] <sgclark> valorie: I think that is an upstream issue if you are using normal 4.14.* KDE SC
[22:09] <sgclark> valorie: let me see if I have the problem
[22:10] <valorie> no, I have plasma 5, 14.10
[22:10] <sgclark> 14.10???? did I miss a release?
[22:10] <Quintasan> HURR
[22:11] <Quintasan> yofel: Does dch pick up your email address automagicall?
[22:11] <Quintasan> I have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in .devscripts but it still marks me as quintasan@demonbane which makes no sense.
[22:12] <Quintasan> argh
[22:12] <Quintasan> it ignores the,
[22:12] <sgclark> valorie: or 14.10 as in utopic..? too many 14's lol
[22:12] <Quintasan> them*
[22:12] <Quintasan> sgclark: Utopic is 14.10
[22:12] <Quintasan> Trusty is 14.04
[22:12] <valorie> utopic, yes
[22:12] <sgclark> yes I know that..
[22:13] <sgclark> The next KDE Applications is  14.12 , sorry for my confusion
[22:13] <valorie> haha, too many damn numbers
[22:14] <sgclark> ikr
[22:14] <valorie> users constantly confuse me in #kubuntu
[22:16] <Quintasan> valorie: bug #1312896 should be fixed in vivid as soon as I testbuild it.
[22:16]  * Sick_Rimmit hums tum tee tum tum tee
[22:16] <valorie> Quintasan: good to hear
[22:16] <Sick_Rimmit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8738585/
[22:16] <valorie> of course I have all the installed parts now
[22:17] <sgclark> valorie: yeah something is not right. Going through menu I get that same error. /usr/share/kpat in terminal works though.
[22:17] <valorie> but maybe others don't have the weird error I encountered
[22:17] <valorie> ooo
[22:17] <valorie> I'll try that for now, sgclark
[22:17] <valorie> however, I would still like to know where to file a bug -- is that against our packaging?
[22:18] <valorie> or the source packages
[22:18] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rick-timmis/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-utopic
[22:18] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: It goes good
[22:19] <Sick_Rimmit> OK, I'm going to write my notes up. Will have a crack at building this for Vivid tomorrow
[22:19] <Sick_Rimmit> Thank you so much sgclark You're Awesome!!
[22:21] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: np :)
[22:21] <sgclark> valorie: your bug is in the right place
[22:22] <gandalf> hi there, I have a question regarding plasma5. I installed kubuntu 14.10 plasma5 version, then parallel to it also ubuntu-desktop to have an ubuntu session in case something doesnt work with the new plasma5. I found the installation of ubuntu-desktop to interfere with plasma5, in particular some icons are overwritten by older ones (example: systemsettings). is there a known way to fix this?
[22:25] <valorie> btw, /usr/share/kpat did not work for me
[22:25] <valorie> oh, well
[22:26] <Sick_Rimmit> hi gandalf
[22:26] <sgclark> really?
[22:26] <Sick_Rimmit> Not sure about the answer on this, but...
[22:26] <sgclark> valorie: did you have any output?
[22:26] <Sick_Rimmit> Plasma 5 is a Tech preview at the moment, so it won't be straight forward getting it to play nice right now
[22:27] <Sick_Rimmit> We are however going to release Kubuntu 15.04 with Plasma 5 as teh default
[22:27] <valorie> $ /usr/share/kpat
[22:27] <valorie> bash: /usr/share/kpat: No such file or directory
[22:27] <Sick_Rimmit> So I think virtual box or other vm is probably your friend at this  point
[22:27] <sgclark> valorie: ugh my bad. /usr/games/kpat
[22:27] <Sick_Rimmit> I hope this helps
[22:28] <valorie> heh
[22:29] <valorie> weeee, it works
[22:29] <valorie> ok, productivity is at an end
[22:29] <valorie> lol
[22:29] <sgclark> my problem... installing other games to test wants to remove kubuntu-plasma5-desktop... this is definately a packaging problem
[22:32] <sgclark> Recommends: khelpcenter4 O.o wonder how many of these are out there
[22:34] <gandalf> ok Sick_Rimmit, that means I just have to wait?
[22:35] <sgclark> gandalf: could you report a bug on launchpad?
[22:35] <Sick_Rimmit> gandalf:  It might pay to use kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-plasma5-desktop together
[22:36] <sgclark> gandalf: and a installl log would be great
[22:42] <valorie> Sick_Rimmit: I didn't know this was possible
[22:42] <valorie> to use them together
[22:43] <Sick_Rimmit> valorie: neither do I, I am just assuming that apt-get will resolve it. I haven't tried
[22:44] <Sick_Rimmit> But it would be what I would attempt, given the problem that Gandalf was presenting.
[22:44] <sgclark> err no, they conflict
[22:44]  * Sick_Rimmit runs and hides in his basket
[22:44] <sgclark> I am not even convinced ubuntu-desktop plays nice with plasma5
[22:45] <sgclark> haven't tried and don't have a spare system to try on
[22:45] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: According to Gandalf it does not
[22:45] <Sick_Rimmit> I have a Plasma5 preview at work, I can try and break it on
[22:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: re phonon, I really do not know anymore, vlc keeps regressing on me, so I am somewhat disappointed in both .. how about xine? :P
[22:58] <valorie> oh xine, the good old days
[22:59] <valorie> when everything crashed or froze All The Time
[23:22] <gandalf> @sgclark: yes will do
[23:22] <sgclark> thanks!
[23:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: what about this cmplayer thing? :)
[23:34] <apachelogger> it has mplayer in the name...


[00:01] <cjwatson> the thing is that the eeebuntu people didn't particularly talk to us about their jaunty fork
[00:02] <cjwatson> so it's unlikely to upgrade very cleanly
[00:02] <cjwatson> if you do an install as I suggested (mount /home, make sure the format checkbox is cleared, but format /) then it'll just overwrite all the system stuff
[00:02] <cjwatson> i.e. fresh install but preserving user data in /home
[00:03] <cjwatson> won't preserve /etc or anything else, of course
[00:03] <cjwatson> when I did it, I took a full system backup first
[00:03] <cjwatson> that way it was cheap to try the install and I knew I could roll the entire thing back if I needed to
[00:06] <MHJessen> It's full system backup that would be the problem. I don't have access to external storage due to homelessness.
[00:07] <MHJessen> I think I could probably get away with using Synaptics to create a history script that would reinstall the packages I have in play but it's what the versions would be that I'm not sure about.
[00:08] <MHJessen> Since the Synaptic solution would be from a Jaunty system what would happen when I tried to bulk install all the packages on a 10.10 system?
[00:10] <cjwatson> the eeebuntu packages just wouldn't be available any more
[00:10] <cjwatson> I don't know whether synaptic records package+version or just package name
[00:10] <cjwatson> if it's the latter then you're ok, it'll do the best it can
[00:10] <cjwatson> if it's the former, good question, no idea
[00:11] <cjwatson> have a look at the file it generates
[00:16] <MHJessen> I think that's my next step. I've been really happy with eeebuntu, but the writing is on the wall that I need to do something because everything is taking longer and longer to trickle back to Jaunty. Thanks for the info! :)
[00:16] <cjwatson> jaunty's end-of-life now
[00:16] <cjwatson> I doubt anything more will trickle back to it ever
[00:18] <MHJessen> That's too bad but I understand the need to keep moving forward. I really noticed it with Firefox. I've been waiting a couple weeks now for 3.6.12 to be available and I'm not sure it ever will. At any rate I have to run. Thanks again!
[00:19] <cjwatson> yeah, I think you can assume it won't now, sorry
[00:20] <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-September/000137.html
[00:20] <cjwatson> "Ubuntu 9.04 reaches end-of-life on October 23, 2010"
[00:25] <MHJessen> Ouch! Well that does it. Thanks! Bye!
[08:47] <twb> 10.04 d-i defaults to gpt for brand new 2TB disks
[08:47] <twb> This is only going to run 10.04 -- is there any reason I shouldn't continue using msdos partition type?
[10:44] <cjwatson> twb: I suspect our comparison is actually against decimal 2TB, which is slightly less than 2TiB
[10:44] <cjwatson> which is the actual technical limit
[10:45] <cjwatson> twb: you can use either, if it's actually no more than 2TiB.  gpt's technically a superior format, but you may have other reasons.
[10:45] <twb> technically superior, but more confusing/complicated
[10:46] <twb> AFAICT (I've been reading up on it), the practical benefits are minimal
[10:48] <cjwatson> certainly, for anything over 2TiB, you must use gpt if you want to be able to address the whole disk
[10:48] <cjwatson> gpt is actually simpler
[10:48] <cjwatson> if you disregard the protective mbr bit, which is basically for compatibility
[10:48] <cjwatson> it doesn't have the whole primary vs. logical partition nonsense, which vastly complicates things
[10:48] <cjwatson> it's just a simple linear array of partitions
[10:48] <twb> Grante; but I'm using LVM so I only have two partitions per disk
[10:49] <cjwatson> so it probably doesn't matter to you
[10:49] <twb> If it meant I got "optimal" block alignment for free from partman, that might be a practical win
[10:49] <cjwatson> you get that anyway
[10:50] <cjwatson> oh, gpt has more robust boot loader storage methods, that's the other major difference
[10:50] <cjwatson> we don't have to use the boot track hack any more
[10:50] <twb> For me, the bootloader lives in the partition itself :-)
[10:51] <twb> I think the other thing that confuses me is that all GPT documentation assumes, to a greater or lesser extent, that I'm running either an Itanium or a macbook
[11:15] <cjwatson> mm, just historical - that'll stop as the world moves to >2TiB drives
[11:25] <twb> Nod
[13:26]  * ev discovers bzr lp-propose-merge
[13:32] <soren> ooooh!
[13:33] <soren> ev: Awesome. Thanks for the hint!
[15:21] <superm1> charlie-tca, you realize you closed your own bug with bug 646027 and the triaging scripts?
[15:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 646027 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Keyboard can not be changed in Ubiquity (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/646027
[15:28] <charlie-tca> closed another bug?
[15:29] <charlie-tca> oh, no
[15:29] <charlie-tca> I did not realize I was the reporter. The bug is invalid, though, now
[15:29] <superm1> i just thought it was a little funny :)
[15:30] <charlie-tca> It is, when I see the reporter name
[15:30] <twb> I once solved a bug by googling, and finding a pastebin I had pasted six years prior
[15:30] <charlie-tca> I don't always look at the name, but I did try to reproduce it
[16:44] <dlyneswork> Is there a pkgsel/exclude verb?
[16:44] <dlyneswork> Or something that would achieve the same end?
[16:45] <dlyneswork> I want to be able to tell 10.04 NOT to install nouveau (system hangs at startup after about 5 lines of kernel output...last four lines are nouveau output)
[16:45] <twb> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/amd64/appendix-preseed.html covers options you can pass
[16:46] <twb> I can't see anything relevant
[16:46] <twb> Re nouveau specifically, post-install I think you can blacklist the kernel module
[16:48] <dlyneswork> twb, but i can't blacklist it if i can't boot up
[16:49] <dlyneswork> twb, to do that, i'd need to rip the hard drive out of every single machine after I've installed, throw it onto another machine as a secondary drive, modify the config files, disconnect, and reinstall into the original machine
[16:50] <cjwatson> you can blacklist on the kernel command line
[16:50] <dlyneswork> twb, is there a reason it insists on installing a video driver, even though i haven't told it to install x11?
[16:50] <twb> There's a boot-time option like "video=nouveau:disable" or "video=vga16fb" or something
[16:50] <dlyneswork> Oh, ok
[16:50] <cjwatson> not that I know the syntax off the top of my head
[16:50] <cjwatson> the video driver is part of the kernel
[16:50] <dlyneswork> It's in /target/....??
[16:51] <twb> dlyneswork: loading video drivers is opt-out in recent kernels so the naff splash stuff can run
[16:51] <cjwatson> video mode setting is moving from X to the kernel because it's loads more robust there in general
[16:51] <dlyneswork> Ah...I'm still accustomed to the good old days when nobody used framebuffer drivers in the kernel bootup :)
[16:51] <cjwatson> twb: nonsense
[16:51] <cjwatson> frankly
[16:51] <cjwatson> KMS is far wider than just plymouth, although I realise it's fashionable to blame plymouth for stuff
[16:52] <twb> cjwatson: so it's also there to make text unreadably small? :-P
[16:52] <dlyneswork> kms?
[16:52] <cjwatson> kernel mode setting
[16:52] <dlyneswork> ah
[16:52] <cjwatson> you can boot with 'nomodeset' to disable it
[16:52] <twb> That's the one I was trying to remember
[16:52] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, but in 10.04, where is it that it gets modified?  Is it in the same file and the same way as 9.04?
[16:52] <twb> FWIW, Debian has KMS, but it doesn't compile it into the kernel
[16:53] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, with 9.1 ubuntu switched to grub2, didn't it?
[16:53] <cjwatson> dlyneswork: I don't recall the state of 9.04, but it probably didn't have KMS
[16:53] <cjwatson> dlyneswork: correct
[16:54] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, so is there any documentation as to which file I need to modify and where?  I don't have a working 10.04 install to look at to know where to fix it in my preseed script
[16:54] <twb> Oops, I just added nomodeset to my new LXC server, and os-prober found lucid on all the containers and added them to grub.cfg
[16:54] <cjwatson> dlyneswork: just add nomodeset to the end of the kernel command line when installing; or for already installed systems you can try it out by editing the kernel parameters interactively at boot time
[16:55] <cjwatson> dlyneswork: to make it permanent, add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
[16:55] <cjwatson> twb: it's not built-in in Ubuntu either, it's modular
[16:55] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, ah, ok...so I'll need to hit left shift to do it, then...ok...thought I had to edit the grub file after it was installed /target/boot/grub/menu.lst on grub1
[16:55] <ev> hm, since when does -l need to come after -o in gcc?
[16:56] <cjwatson> ev: technically it always ought to have done, but the linker was made stricter on Monday
[16:56] <cjwatson> as part of other changes
[16:56] <ev> ah, fair enough
[16:56] <cjwatson> actually I think it only needs to come after the object that uses symbols from the linked libraries, not necessarily after -o
[16:56] <ev> right
[16:57] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, ok...so /target/etc/default/grub, and then run update-grub against /dev/sda
[16:57] <ev> cjwatson: thanks for the clarification
[16:57] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, thanks
[16:57] <cjwatson> dlyneswork: um, why are you fiddling with /target for this?
[16:57] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, because it's borked after the pxe boot install
[16:58] <cjwatson> dlyneswork: why not just boot it interactively with nomodeset, and then you can edit it directly when it's running?
[16:58] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, so i need to fix it as part of my preseed/late_command
[16:58] <cjwatson> ah, no, better solution for that
[16:58] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, because I want to be able to have it fixed without trying to explain to some windows user how to fix it
[16:59] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, it's probably going to be some clueless windows user installing these systems...I'm just setting up the automated installer
[16:59] <cjwatson> put nomodeset on the end of the append line in your pxelinux configuration
[16:59] <cjwatson> make sure there's a "--" parameter somewhere before it
[16:59] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, not needed there....the pxeboot is working just fine
[16:59] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, it's the post install that's not
[16:59] <cjwatson> everything after "--" (with a few specific exceptions) gets copied into the installed bootloader configuration
[16:59] <cjwatson> trust me
[16:59] <cjwatson> this is much simpler and more robust than using preseed/late_command
[16:59] <twb> dlyneswork: if you put it in the pxelinux APPEND *after* a --, it'll be added automatically post-install
[17:00] <cjwatson> so the append line would look like "blah blah blah -- nomodeset"
[17:00] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, oh...so whatever I add into the kernel parameters for the pxelinux.cfg/default file gets applied to the /etc/default/grub in the install?
[17:00] <dlyneswork> twb, ah...cool...thanks both of you
[17:00] <cjwatson> anything after "--", yes
[17:01] <CIA-4> migration-assistant: evand * r105 migration-assistant/ (Makefile debian/changelog): Fix linking to libxml2.
[17:01] <dlyneswork> erm...sorry... i386/boot-screens/text.cfg right?
[17:02] <cjwatson> whatever you're using :)
[17:02] <dlyneswork> And there I would move my vga-normal from before the '--' to after the '--'?  Or put it in both locations?
[17:02] <dlyneswork> erm vga=normal, i mean
[17:03] <twb> IIRC vga is magical and is always ignored
[17:03] <twb> In terms of propagation to post-boot
[17:03] <dlyneswork> ah, ok
[17:03] <dlyneswork> so just -- nomodeset then, instead
[17:03] <cjwatson> twb is correct
[17:04] <cjwatson> vga= breaks suspend/resume so we filtered it out
[17:04] <dlyneswork> ah
[17:05] <dlyneswork> Trying with the nomodeset now in text.cfg, then
[17:05] <dlyneswork> Will that get rid of plymouthd on startup, as well?
[17:06] <twb> dlyneswork: fyi, here's my netboot script: http://paste.debian.net/100222/
[17:06] <ev> you cannot get rid of plymouth
[17:06] <cjwatson> just remove 'splash' for that
[17:06] <cjwatson> plymouthd will still run, but not the splash screen
[17:06] <CIA-4> migration-assistant: evand * r106 migration-assistant/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.6.8
[17:06] <twb> I noticed that if you hit ESC twice, plymouth will put two copies of the console output one after the other on the screen
[17:06] <cjwatson> (which is what most people who ask this question care about)
[17:06] <cjwatson> twb: I think that's fixed upstream
[17:07] <dlyneswork> twb, and what exactly does that do?
[17:07] <dlyneswork> twb, your script, that is
[17:07] <cjwatson> I noticed something that looks very plausible for that in the merge diff
[17:07] <twb> dlyneswork: it creates /srv/tftp
[17:07] <dlyneswork> twb, you mean a mirror?
[17:07] <twb> dlyneswork: no, for PXE booting.
[17:07] <dlyneswork> twb, or you mean the tftp pxeboot stager?
[17:07] <dlyneswork> twb, ah..yeah...I've got all that set up already
[17:07] <dlyneswork> twb, got it set up for 9.04, 10.04 and 10.1
[17:08] <dlyneswork> twb, for multiple specialized configurations
[17:08] <twb> dlyneswork: I was just mentioning it in case you wanted to compare implementations
[17:09] <dlyneswork> twb, ah....yeah...I used the ubuntu pxeboot howto as a template, but have performed fairly extensive modifications to it, because i need a 2nd stage installer to do the drbl installation
[17:09] <dlyneswork> twb, basically pxeboot install the masternode....masternode is a pxeboot server for multiple slave nodes that mount all their files over nfs
[17:10] <dlyneswork> twb, plus i have another installer for a copy machine and another one for development machines
[17:10] <dlyneswork> twb, drbl's a project from taiwan (drbl.sf.net)
[17:11] <twb> Nod.
[17:11] <twb> Sounds similar to my project (prisonpc.com)
[17:20] <davmor2> cjwatson: By the way ref the install issues I don't get them if I upgrade only if I install fresh from natty iso
[17:20] <dlyneswork> twb, yeah...not so sure drbl has security well in mind :o
[17:20] <cjwatson> davmor2: I'm trying a kvm install now
[17:21] <dlyneswork> twb, but then again, prisonpc looks like it's geared towards management of a windows network?
[17:22] <davmor2> cjwatson: I might get a bit of quieter time latter if I do I'll do a fresh install and open up ssh for you if that will help, just let me know :)
[17:22] <twb> dlyneswork: our primary target is prisons currently running Windows
[17:22] <twb> They don't run Windows once we're done with them :-)
[17:22] <dlyneswork> twb, yeah...and prisoners would never ever try to pirate software or visit porn sites now, would they?
[17:22] <cjwatson> ev: should that m-a upload fix the partman vs. m-a crash somebody reported the other day?
[17:22] <dlyneswork> twb, or buy drugs on the internet? :p
[17:23] <cjwatson> ev: I just saw that in a no-frills kvm install
[17:23] <cjwatson> also, no /var/log/syslog.  wtf
[17:23] <ev> cjwatson: doubtful.  If you're referring to davmor2's bug, that's the result of parted_server shutting down before m-a comes on the scene.
[17:23] <twb> dlyneswork: shrug.
[17:24]  * cjwatson thinks blackz dropped /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf
[17:24] <cjwatson> ev: confused as to what would have changed to cause that
[17:24] <davmor2> ev: no I blanked the HDD and did a fresh install that didn't trigger the m-a issue I just had plymouth with the Ubuntu logo and the dot constantly cycling
[17:25] <ev> cjwatson: indeed, I'm perplexed as well.  I'll investigate it after I get through this partman-auto work.
[17:25]  * cjwatson concludes that to a first approximation nobody is using natty yet
[17:25] <cjwatson> since there's no bug about rsyslog being configured entirely wrongly
[17:26] <ev> cjwatson:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/534328/ - would you mind committing some variant of that to Debian?
[17:29] <cjwatson> are you sure that's needed?  that's weird
[17:29] <cjwatson> I wouldn't have expected the position of -o to be relevant (as I said above)
[17:29] <ev> it appears to be
[17:29] <ev> perhaps I'm glossing over a deeper bug
[17:31] <cjwatson> partman-base 146ubuntu1 failed to build, certainly, but the unreleased change immediately above yours fixed it
[17:31] <cjwatson> it was only necessary to move $(LIBS) after the .c
[17:31] <cjwatson> (and I already committed that change to Debian)
[17:31] <cjwatson> the current unreleased version builds for me in a natty chroot
[17:32] <cjwatson> it's my oversight that I forgot to upload that
[17:32] <ev> fair enough
[17:32] <cjwatson> sorry about that
[17:32] <ev> no worries at all
[17:32] <CIA-4> partman-base: cjwatson * r222 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 146ubuntu2
[17:33] <ev> I'm just trying to plough through so I can get a new ubiquity to work with for the other end of this new partman-auto option
[18:14] <dlyneswork> be465n9-r
[18:14] <dlyneswork> oops
[18:15] <dlyneswork> cjwatson, thanks...that method worked perfectly, and plymouth didn't get in the way that way, either
[18:16] <cjwatson> cool
[18:17] <dlyneswork> Still need to fine tune it a bit, but it's working in a much more usable manner, now
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Is there a way to abort the install now? Installation from live desktop on hardware running 45 minutes
[20:09] <charlie-tca> appears to be hung, no dialog in the "ready when you are..." box to indicate, but has not progressed the marker for 30 minutes
[20:11] <charlie-tca> natty, by the way
[20:11] <cjwatson> yes, I saw that too
[20:11] <cjwatson> I killed the vm until I had a chance to investigate properly :)
[20:12] <charlie-tca> So, a hardware shutdown? Is there a way to pull the logs for you?
[20:12] <cjwatson> it was hard to investigate anything because of rsyslog being broken, so I fixed that and decided to wait for the next build
[20:12] <cjwatson> no, there won't be useful logs because rsyslog was busted
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will try again tomorrow
[20:12] <cjwatson> hence my perhaps excessively sarcastic comments on #-devel earlier ...
[20:13] <cjwatson> you can certainly do c-a-f1 and poke around on a console


[16:00] <smoser> o/
[16:00] <smoser> hey all. i'm not able to make the meeting this week, but roaksoax is supposed to be leading i believe.
[16:00] <jamespage> o/
[16:00] <roaksoax> howdy!
[16:00] <zul> hi
[16:00] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah, zul will do instead of me as I just got pulled into a call
[16:01] <zul> #startmeeting
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[16:01] <zul> hi
[16:01] <rcj> o/
[16:01] <zul> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:01] <zul> any topics from last week?
[16:02] <arosales> o/
[16:02] <zul> if not we can move on to the next topic
[16:02] <zul> #topic T Development
[16:02] <zul> jamespage:  do you want to take this topic?
[16:03] <jamespage> zul, sure
[16:03] <jamespage> so
[16:03] <jamespage> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[16:03] <jamespage> Alpha 2 is coming up on the 23rd Jan
[16:04] <jamespage> I guess cloud-images will be opting into the milestone but not ubuntu-server itself (as usual)
[16:04] <jamespage> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:05] <jamespage> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-t-tracking-bug-tasks.html#server
[16:05] <jamespage> looking at >= high bugs
[16:06] <jamespage> bug 1256433
[16:06] <jamespage> that should have gone through now I think
[16:06] <jamespage> bug 1257732
[16:06] <jamespage> fix commited
[16:07] <jamespage> ditto bug 1062336
[16:07] <jamespage> (I really should make those better)
[16:07] <jamespage> rbasak has bug 1244343 in hand by the looks of things
[16:08] <rbasak> I think that's at risk. Somebody needs to spend some time coding it.
[16:08] <rbasak> This may be me, but I haven't committed time to it yet, or scoped out the size of this task.
[16:08] <rbasak> I just triaged it :)
[16:08] <jamespage> bug 1248283
[16:09] <jamespage> rbasak, hmm - OK
[16:10] <rbasak> I got delayed merging apache2, but I'm almost done and will probably upload today.
[16:10] <rbasak> I'll look at php next
[16:10] <jamespage> rbasak, excellent
[16:11] <jamespage> that juju bug looks to be progressing upstream
[16:11] <jamespage> roaksoax, has bug 1255479 in hand
[16:12] <roaksoax> this is fixed in trusty i believe
[16:12] <jamespage> roaksoax, pls can you confirm and mark as appropriate
[16:12] <jamespage> bug 1263738
[16:12] <jamespage> being progressed by hallyn + the kernel team - great!
[16:12] <jamespage> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:12] <jamespage> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/group/topic-t-servercloud-overview.html
[16:12] <roaksoax> will do
[16:13] <jamespage> the status report should now be accurate
[16:13] <jamespage> looking at reds
[16:13] <jamespage> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-1311-curtin
[16:13] <jamespage> smoser: that either needs updates or re-planning
[16:13] <jamespage> lots of past milestones with TODO still
[16:13] <jamespage> well one milestone
[16:13]  * jamespage was being a little harsh
[16:14] <jamespage> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-1311-openstack-charms
[16:14] <jamespage> some work going forward for this one - however mostly back-loaded on the release so OK for now
[16:14] <jamespage> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-1311-lxc
[16:15] <jamespage> actually looks OK  based on planned work
[16:15] <jamespage> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-1311-mysql-alternatives
[16:15] <jamespage> mariadb-5.5 is now functional in trusty - thanks arges
[16:15] <zul> did it get out of proposed?
[16:15] <jamespage> zul, yes
[16:16] <jamespage> percona-xtradb-cluster packages avaliable in ppa:mysql-ubuntu/percona
[16:16] <jamespage> (from me)
[16:16] <jamespage> but blocked on resolving openssl + gpl licensing exception in galera
[16:16] <jamespage> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-1311-cloud-init
[16:16] <jamespage> actually OK based on plans
[16:17] <jamespage> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-1311-juju
[16:17] <jamespage> going OK
[16:17] <jamespage> juju-core 1.17.0 does build using gccgo - but expect some bugs
[16:17] <jamespage> need to rework the go tooling to allow that to be used for the release - but thats still todo
[16:17] <jamespage> lots todo this month
[16:18] <jamespage> zul, back to you
[16:18] <zul> thanks
[16:18] <zul> i lost my page
[16:18] <zul> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:18] <zul> caribou: around?
[16:18] <caribou> zul: I'm here
[16:19] <zul> caribou:  any bugs we should be aware of?
[16:19] <caribou> zul: nothing on my side thanks.
[16:19] <zul> any questions for caribou?
[16:19] <zul> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:19] <zul> psivaa:  around?
[16:20] <psivaa> Nothing much except raid and tomcat smoke tests are broken due to possible 3.13 kernel issues
[16:20] <zul> in the iso tests?
[16:20] <psivaa> yes, and i think hallyn knows about it (tomcat issue_
[16:20] <psivaa> )
[16:20] <zul> okies
[16:20] <zul> any questions for psivaa ?
[16:20] <hallyn> i'm not actually following that
[16:21] <zul> jamespage: ^^^ tomcat issue ;)
[16:21] <psivaa> hallyn: ohh.. still failing
[16:21] <jamespage> urgh - yeah
[16:21] <jamespage> not looked yet
[16:21] <zul> psivaa:  bug number?
[16:21] <psivaa> zul: did not report bugs since hallyn said that's a known kernel issue
[16:22] <psivaa> could report one if needed
[16:22] <smb> psivaa, what kind of raid problems (bug number?)
[16:22] <hallyn> psivaa: i think the apparmor problem should be fixed now in kernel, so if there is still a bug please file in lp
[16:22] <psivaa> smb: i have not reported any bugs for these two assuming new kernel will fix it. apparently not so i'll file bugs for both
[16:23] <smb> ack
[16:23] <psivaa> that's all from my side :)
[16:23] <zul> okies
[16:23] <zul> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:24] <smb> I do not have much. Probably the future of xen-api aka xcp aka xapi. But I think that would go beyond the meeting scope and I should rather kick off some discussion on the mailing list.
[16:24] <zul> hi smb i know you are around
[16:24] <smb> zul, No its just imagination
[16:24] <zul> figures
[16:24] <zul> xcp is dead in debian isnt it?
[16:24] <smb> Yeah it was removed
[16:25] <smb> And the new cool replacement has not arrived yet
[16:25] <zul> coolio
[16:25] <zul> any questions for smb?
[16:26] <zul> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:26] <zul> hi rbasak  any updates
[16:27] <rbasak> Sorry.
[16:27] <rbasak> No, no updates for me. Any questions?
[16:27] <zul> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:28] <zul> any events coming up?
[16:28] <zul> #topic Open Discussion
[16:28] <zul> hi rcj welcome to the team
[16:29] <zul> arosales: ^^^
[16:29] <jamespage> fosdem
[16:29] <arosales> rcj, welcome :-)
[16:30] <zul> ah yes i forgot about fosdem
[16:30] <arosales> zul thanks for catching that in the agenda
[16:30] <zul> any other topic that people want to bring up?
[16:30] <arosales> zul, marco ceppi will also be hosting a Juju room at the co-located config mgmt camp at FOSDEM
[16:31] <zul> nifty!
[16:31] <arosales> zul, by the way rcj will be primarily working with utlemming and smoser on cloud images.
[16:31] <zul> so utlemming  wont be going crazy?
[16:32] <rcj> I can't promise that.
[16:32] <arosales> zul, well I can't say that :-)
[16:32] <zul> too late anyways
[16:32] <zul> #topic Next meeting time
[16:32] <zul> next week same time and place
[16:32] <zul> #endmeeting
[16:32] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 14 16:32:41 2014 UTC.
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[16:32] <arosales> thanks for chairing zul
[16:32] <smb> zul, Oh one thing
[16:33] <smb> Could you probably add sforshee to the section of kernel team
[16:33] <zul> smb:  sure
[16:33] <smb> thanks
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Trusty
[17:00] <cking> \o
[17:00] <kamal> \o/
[17:00] <smb> o//
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <sconklin> o/
[17:00] <ogasawara> o/
[17:01] <bjf> o/
[17:01] <sforshee> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:02] <jsalisbury> No new update this week.
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:02] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> || apw       || core-1311-kernel                || 5 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || core-1311-cross-compilation     || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || core-1311-hwe-plans             || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || bjf       || core-1311-dmraid2mdadm          || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || ogasawara || core-1311-kernel                || 3 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || client-1311-xorg-general        || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || smb       || core-1311-dmraid2mdadm          || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || servercloud-1311-openstack-virt || 6 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Trusty Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Last week we upoaded our first v3.13 based kernel for Trusty to the
[17:03] <ogasawara> archive.  The most recent upload brings in a rebase to v3.13-rc8.  The
[17:03] <ogasawara> AppArmor regression introduced in the original upload should already
[17:03] <ogasawara> have been resolved as well.
[17:03] <ogasawara> -----
[17:03] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:03] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Jan 23 - Alpha 2 (~1 week away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Feb 6 - 12.04.4 Final Release (~3 weeks away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:03] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:03] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:03] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Saucy/Raring/Quantal/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/sconklin)
[17:03] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today (Nov. 26):
[17:03] <bjf>   *   Lucid - Holding
[17:03] <bjf>   * Precise - Holding
[17:03] <bjf>   * Quantal - Holding
[17:04] <bjf>   *   Saucy - Holding
[17:04] <bjf> We are in a holding pattern waiting to see if any regressions show up that would cause us
[17:04] <bjf> to respin before the 12.04.4 release goes out.
[17:04] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:04] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:04] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:04] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:04] <bjf> Note: Raring hit EOL and is no longer supported. However, the lts-backport-raring kernel
[17:04] <bjf>       *WILL* continue to be supported until the first point release of the next LTS (14.04.1).
[17:04] <bjf> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:04] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:04] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 14 17:04:58 2014 UTC.
[17:04] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-01-14-17.00.moin.txt
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[17:05] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury
[17:05] <cking> nice one


[03:02] <milkfish2k> /msg nickserv register 44425<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:56] <m4n1sh> nigelb, You there
[14:57] <nigelb> m4n1sh: partly.  In a discussion with the accessibility folks
[14:57] <m4n1sh> nigelb, carry on.
[14:57] <nigelb> I have the connection from LP perfectly
[14:57] <nigelb> Its the only hooking to bts thats going wrong so far
[14:57] <m4n1sh> yeah. probably Debian BTS uses newer version
[14:57] <m4n1sh> so the web service fails
[14:58] <m4n1sh> and bugz is for older versions
[14:58] <nigelb> I'm using reportbug that's supposed to hook up with the thing, but the authors have written back to me.  I'll peek in later.
[14:58] <m4n1sh> nigelb, oh. then it's fine
[14:58] <m4n1sh> nigelb, let me know when the problem gets solved. Even I want to know how to get it done.
[15:00] <nigelb> m4n1sh: heh,sure :)
[15:00] <nigelb> if nothing works, I 'll just send a mail to the mail ID


[03:28] <RAOF> ayan: Hi again :)
[03:29] <RAOF> Also, the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of dmesg are likely to be useful in debugging this.
[03:29] <ayan> ROAF: hi!
[03:29] <RAOF> (In a pastebin, if that's not obvious ☺)
[03:49] <RAOF> ayan: Still here?
[03:50] <RAOF> Hm, interesting.  Compiz seems to have kernel-panicked nouveau, but ssh soldiers on.
[05:58] <RAOF> Balls.  There's an X crasher in -radeon's DRI2 swapbuffers handling again.
[09:42] <tjaalton> what, have I pushed something to our xorg-server branch..
[09:43] <tjaalton> oh, the merge. just the diff post on debian-x@ looks funny
[09:45] <RAOF> tjaalton: Would you like to test some mesa 7.10.2? :)
[09:45] <tjaalton> RAOF: sure
[09:45] <RAOF> I'll push it to git.
[09:45] <tjaalton> ok, I'll build from there
[09:46] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.
[09:46] <RAOF> I'll throw my binaries into http://cooperteam.net/Packages for you!
[09:47] <tjaalton> cool, clean it up a bit and I can wget the whole dir :)
[09:47] <tjaalton> i have intel to test it on
[09:47] <tjaalton> 965
[09:50] <RAOF> tjaalton: Now available for your pleasure.  i386 & amd64!
[09:54] <tjaalton> RAOF: thanks, downloading..
[10:14] <JanC> I suppose Radeon HD 6950's are supposed to work in natty?
[10:15] <RAOF> Are, or aren't?
[10:15] <RAOF> I *think* they are, actually.
[10:21] <JanC> are
[10:21] <JanC> somebody complained his new HD 6950 didn't work in 10.10, I told him to try the natty beta live cd
[10:23] <tjaalton> what happened?
[10:23] <RAOF> It should be supported by fglrx if nothing else.
[10:24] <JanC> he's downloading...
[10:24] <tjaalton> heh, ok
[10:25] <JanC> I'll let you know  ;)
[10:26] <JanC> download is going to take 3 hours...   :-(
[10:27] <tjaalton> at 64k/s?
[10:27] <tjaalton> slow..
[10:30] <tjaalton> RAOF: mesa seems to not burst into flames here
[10:31] <RAOF> It also hasn't burst into flames on my radeon card, where the bulk of the changes were.
[10:31] <RAOF> However, I don't have an r300 to test, and that would be good.
[10:31] <tjaalton> i do, actually
[10:31] <tjaalton> at least I think it is one
[10:32] <RAOF> Anything r300-r500 would do; that's 9600 (I think) - HD 2xxx (again, I think) :)
[10:41] <tjaalton> yesh, R300 NG [FireGL X1]
[10:47] <tjaalton> seems to work
[10:47] <tjaalton> RAOF: ^
[10:51] <tjaalton> so, we have libdrm, xorg-server, mesa, libx11 bugfix releases pending.. next thursday is beta2
[10:51] <tjaalton> when do we start uploading these?-)
[10:56] <RAOF> Now, I think.
[10:58] <RAOF> Although we might not want libdrm 2.4.24
[10:58] <tjaalton> ok
[10:58] <tjaalton> because of then nouveau changes?
[11:00] <tjaalton> great, the 10.10 installer doesn't recognize my ssd drive
[11:01] <tjaalton> so I can't test the joystick patch on it
[11:01] <tjaalton> don't have a spare hd
[11:08] <tjaalton> tseliot: looks like the dvi-dsub -dongle works after all, just had to make sure it's connected to the right dvi port
[11:09] <tjaalton> and the "no ssd" problem is a bios failure
[11:09] <tjaalton> sometimes it doesn't seem to probe it
[11:15] <tseliot> tjaalton: what is it that makes a dvi port the right port?
[11:16] <tseliot> does it have to be the 1st dvi connector?
[11:19] <tjaalton> probably
[11:19] <tjaalton> dvi cable works on both
[13:43] <tjaalton> cnd: hey, there's bug 745065 which says that wacom multitouch is broken in natty when it worked in lucid & maverick
[13:43] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 745065 in xf86-input-wacom (Ubuntu) "Touchscreen not detected as multi-input (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745065
[13:43] <tjaalton> cnd: ideas about that on?
[13:43] <tjaalton> *one
[13:45] <cnd> tjaalton, I'll take a look
[13:46] <tjaalton> cnd: thanks
[16:17] <tjaalton> RAOF: forgot to push mesa?
[16:17] <tjaalton> probably too late to ask :)
[16:43] <lamont> so when I resize a window, it should actually resize, right?
[16:43] <lamont> (natty beta)
[16:44] <lamont> though to be fair, that's from a day or 3 ago - dist-upgrading now
[16:44] <tjaalton> works here
[16:44] <lamont> tjaalton: uxterm and resize it
[16:44] <lamont> pulling down the bottom of the window
[16:44] <lamont> and then resize it again
[16:45] <tjaalton> lamont: yep
[16:45] <tjaalton> looks fine to me
[16:45] <Sarvatt> yep thats busted here too, the xterm doesn't resize
[16:45] <lamont> I'm using "ubuntu classic" atm
[16:45] <tjaalton> me too :)
[16:45] <Sarvatt> ah wait
[16:45] <Sarvatt> it works on an updated system
[16:46] <tjaalton> Sarvatt, bryceh_: the archive will beta-freeze on monday :/
[16:46] <lamont> let me finish the dist-upgrade and confirm that I'm still broken (hoping I can just go "all better, thanks")
[16:46] <Sarvatt> 3 day old natty + nvidia blob doesnt resize, fully up to date intel resizes properly
[16:46] <lamont> and that says 8 minutes
[16:46] <lamont> intel chipset here
[16:46] <tjaalton> nvidia here, upgraded yesterday
[16:47] <lamont> 1 day 25 min uptime here, but that's 12-18 hours post-upgrade
[16:47] <lamont> 8 min download, nfc how long after that for processing
[16:47] <tjaalton> xterm hasn't changed
[16:47] <lamont> the server has
[16:47] <Sarvatt> compiz has
[16:48] <lamont> yeah - was just going to say "or has the server..."  compiz has
[16:48] <lamont> gnmoe has
[16:48] <lamont> gnome even
[16:48] <Sarvatt> lamont:
[16:48] <Sarvatt> compiz (1:0.9.4+bzr20110406-0ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low
[16:48] <Sarvatt>   * new upstream bzr tarball:
[16:48] <Sarvatt>     - display/size problems with xterm (LP: #748137)
[16:49] <Sarvatt> sure is nice when bugs are already fixed :P
[16:49] <tjaalton> hehe
[16:58] <lamont> heh
[16:58] <lamont> ta
[17:00] <Sarvatt> ok got 7.10.2 on all my machines, now to break things!
[17:01] <tjaalton> it's indestructible
[17:02] <tjaalton> i'll upload libx11 1.4.2-1u1
[17:03] <tjaalton> 1.4.3 would need newer xutils-dev
[17:03] <tjaalton> bryceh_: btw, xutils-dev doesn't show on versions-current.html?
[17:06] <Sarvatt> [     5.435]
[17:06] <Sarvatt> X.Org X Server 1.10.0
[17:06] <Sarvatt> so friggin fast!
[17:06] <tjaalton> heh
[17:07] <tjaalton> ssd luv
[17:09] <lamont> it does, indeed, appear to be fixed.
[17:16] <tjaalton> libx11 uploaded
[17:19] <tjaalton> guinness-time \o\ |o| /o/ :)
[17:20]  * Sarvatt is jealous
[17:20] <Sarvatt> speaking of which, need to put more in the fridge :)
[17:25] <Sarvatt> darn, new libva in sid but its too late for natty
[17:26] <Sarvatt> into x-updates it goes
[17:32] <Sarvatt> hrm 270.40 nvidia driver but its not a normal release, just on the CUDA page
[17:37] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: looks like the buildds are screwed up? libx11 failed
[17:38] <Sarvatt> oh nevermind klingon failed
[17:42] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: great, i get to drop it
[17:42] <tjaalton> oh
[17:43] <tjaalton> how the hell did it build here then
[17:43] <tjaalton> series file was all fail
[17:47] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: 100_latin_locale_alias.diff101_klingon_locale_alias.diff yea :)
[17:48] <Sarvatt> 102_double_arrows_Compose.diff is failing after fixing that
[17:48] <tjaalton> yeah i dropped the double
[17:48] <tjaalton> err, the other entry i mean
[17:49] <Sarvatt> klingon is fine
[17:49] <bryceh_> tjaalton, ah, +packagebugs changed from "in ubuntu" to "in Ubuntu", which broke my regex.  So it has been using an old list of our X packages.  Page is being refreshed now.
[17:49] <tjaalton> bryceh_: great, thanks
[17:54] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/102_double_arrows_Compose.diff
[17:56] <Sarvatt> oh bah wait
[17:56] <Sarvatt> 102_double_arrows_Compose.diff was in the series twice..
[17:56] <Sarvatt> lol
[17:59] <bryceh_> http://www.bryceharrington.org/Arsenal/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/versions-current.html updated
[18:15] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/752634  -- isn't that the intended behavior from the nvidia blob? I've never used multi monitor on it but fairly sure you have to set up additional monitors through the nvidia-settings gui and not xrandr
[18:15] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 752634 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "[Lenovo T410] Displayport cannot output to a monitor (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,New]
[18:30] <bryceh_> Sarvatt, yes that's correct
[19:11] <Sarvatt> phew, only 2 bugs from the cert runs, I was worried :)
[19:14] <bjsnider> ram usage with the blob in natty is outrageous
[19:14] <bjsnider> compiz ends up at >500 mb after a couple of days
[19:14] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: update
[19:14] <Sarvatt> new cairo should be published now
[19:14] <bjsnider> well, i ran all updates as of this morning
[19:14] <Sarvatt> it was uploaded like an hour ago I think
[19:15] <bjsnider> what is it, libcairo?
[19:16] <bjsnider> it's not in there so far
[19:19] <Sarvatt> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2011-April/011061.html
[19:19] <Sarvatt> hmm should be published, might not be on your mirror yet
[19:21] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt: what are the issues?
[19:24] <Sarvatt> cairo linking to a 24MB nvidia libGL making the world use outrageous amounts of memory :)
[19:24] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/725434
[19:24] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 725434 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "Nvidia drivers lead to extra memory usage for each process using libGL (affects: 32) (dups: 1) (heat: 188)" [Medium,Won't fix]
[19:26] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt: eh? clearly the Linux VM should handle that well or is allocating a lot of data as well?
[21:55] <kees> RAOF, bryceh_ : what are your thoughts on bug 738687? should that patch be added to our mesa?
[21:55] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 738687 in mesa (Ubuntu) "R600 driver crashes when adding effects in kwin (affects: 2) (heat: 18)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/738687
[22:04] <Sarvatt> kees: thats actually queued up to upload in mesa 7.10.2 whenever RAOF comes on next
[22:04] <bryceh_> kees, yeah if it's in the stable tree should be a no-brainer to include
[22:05] <bryceh_> kees, how'd you run into this issue?
[22:05] <kees> cool; thanks guys. how should I mark that bug so it disappears from the sponsorship queue?
[22:05] <kees> bryceh_: I'm patch pilot, and it was marked for sponsorship
[22:05] <bryceh_> oh patch piloting, of course
[22:06] <bryceh_> kees, hmm
[22:07] <bryceh_> kees, good question...
[22:08] <bryceh_> kees, raof probably won't be on until monday and since the freeze comes monday there could be a chance it gets missed
[22:08] <bryceh_> kees, so maybe go ahead and sponsor the patch in?
[22:08] <bryceh_> sarvatt, what do you think?
[22:09] <kees> I'd rather not disrupt RAOF's schedule...
[22:10] <seb128> bryceh_, the freeze will not be before the european day so there is time for an upload for .au guys
[22:10] <tjaalton> but RAOF is no core-dev
[22:11] <kees> okay, I'll just mention in the bug it's scheduled...
[22:11] <tjaalton> if he could just push the git branch we could upload during the weekend
[22:11] <seb128> kees, yeah do that
[22:11] <bryceh_> ok well fwiw, I'm on vacation monday7
[22:11] <seb128> it's likely we will clean pending uploads on monday
[22:11] <tjaalton> I've tested 7.10.2 on r300 and intel
[22:12] <tjaalton> and RAOF took care of r600 i think
[22:12] <Sarvatt> i've been running it on 945 and sandybridge
[22:12] <bryceh_> kees, sounds like assign to RAOF I guess
[22:13] <kees> bryceh_: yeah, was just doing that :)
[22:13] <tjaalton> 965 intel here
[22:14] <tjaalton> if the archive is frozen at 9:00 UTC on monday, I'll have plenty of time uploading it :)
[22:33] <ScottK> I've got a Sandybridge laptop that is having what seems to be KDE specific screen corruption issues.  Is there a way I can turn specific driver features on/off at runtime to see if I can narrow down where the issue is?
[22:33] <ScottK> It's not tied to compositing as it happens with that totally disabled.
[22:36] <bryceh_> ScottK, modinfo on the drm driver gives the kernel tunables; man intel gives some X driver options; driconf has the mesa tunables
[22:38] <ScottK> bryceh_: The bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/750964 - Any suggestions on where best to start?
[22:38] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 750964 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Screen corruption in menus and titlebars (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New]
[22:39] <bryceh_> ScottK, maybe rerun apport-collect xorg and see if it'll pick up the missing log files
[22:39] <ScottK> I'll try it.
[22:40] <bryceh_> ScottK, if you suspect it's particular to kwin, I'd suggest starting with driconf since that controls 3D and is pretty easy to use
[22:41] <bryceh_> also, an important factoid is when the issue first started happening
[22:41] <ScottK> It happened since I got the laptop on Monday.
[22:41] <bryceh_> since if it's a recent regression, then downgrading packages one by one can be a straightforward way to pinpoint things
[22:42] <ScottK> So no idea how long it's been a problem.
[22:42] <bryceh_> ah, so not a regression then
[22:42] <ScottK> Nope.
[22:42] <ScottK> Just really, really annoying.
[22:44] <ScottK> I assume I need to restart X after making changes in driconf?
[22:44] <bryceh_> you can also flip on kernel drm debug (drm.debug=0x03) although it'll spew a lot of output
[22:44] <bryceh_> yep
[22:45] <ScottK> Let me play with driconf first.  It's got a lot of knobs to turn.
[22:45] <bryceh_> yep
[22:47] <tjaalton> i really don't understand bug 754565
[22:47] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 754565 in xorg (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Regression: shift+click on a launcher icon to open a new application instance gone (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754565
[22:49] <bryceh_> tjaalton, hum yeah me neither
[22:49] <bryceh_> tjaalton, isn't really much of a bug report
[22:49] <tjaalton> bryceh_: nope
[22:49] <bryceh_> tjaalton, close it and tell them we're not mind readers?  ;-)
[22:50] <tjaalton> hehe
[22:50] <tjaalton> I'll think of something
[22:55] <tjaalton> there
[23:10] <ScottK> No luck with driconf
[23:50] <albert23> ScottK: the config in freedesktop bug 35808 comment 11 may be worth to test
[23:50] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 35808 in Driver/intel "[SNB] KDE graphic glitches" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35808
[23:50] <ScottK> albert23: Thanks.
[23:52] <Sarvatt> ScottK: also if it doesn't and you want to see if it does with updated drivers - https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/gold
[23:52] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:53] <ScottK> Mine is a 6320 (vice 6420) so it's very close.
[23:53] <ScottK> I don't have the kms issue he has.
[23:53] <Sarvatt> i've got 2 6420's here, it must really be KDE specific
[23:56] <ScottK> Ah.  That did it.
[23:57] <ScottK> Option "DebugFlushBatches" "True" and it's all better.
[23:59] <ScottK> Sarvatt: I do believe it's KDE specific.  Even non-KDE apps in a KDE session are OK.


[13:29] <Mister_Q> dpm, svij ping ubucon meeting
[13:29] <svij> omw
[13:31] <dpm> Mister_Q, svij, alsoe
[13:31] <dpm> omw
[13:35]  * svij kicks dpm
[13:40] <svij> dpm: you froze
[13:59] <dpm> sorry, freezing every time I open a gdoc :/
[14:00] <dpm> popey, mhall119, we're discussing Ubucon - could you get your talk descriptions updated for svij to add them to the schedule?
[14:23] <mhall119> svij: did you get mine from the document?
[14:24] <svij> mhall119: yes, but I need a speaker description
[14:24] <mhall119> oh, about me
[14:24]  * jose doesn't like his new 9 to 5 university schedule
[14:24] <mhall119> svij: you can grab relevant lines from http://mhall119.com/about/
[14:26] <svij> mhall119: great, I guess the first paragrah is enough?
[14:27] <svij> do we have a proper speaker description of jane?
[14:31] <mhall119> svij: first paragraph should be good, not sure about silbs
[14:49] <svij> mhall119: thanks, added
[14:50] <dpm> thanks for setting up the Q&A event and doing the social media announcements popey!
[14:50] <popey> np
[14:54]  * svij has nearly put two talks of the same speaker in the same timeslot…
[14:54]  * mhall119 only knows a few speakers who could handle that
[14:55] <svij> who? :)
[14:55] <mhall119> I'm certain pleia2 could :)
[14:56] <svij> I'm not sure if she can time-travel or if you can duplicate herself
[14:58] <knome>  or maybe she's just sensible enough to delegate in situations like that :P
[15:02] <mhall119> svij: given the number of conferences she goes to, she either has a clone or a tardis or something
[15:02] <svij> hah
[15:40] <pleia2> clones <3
[15:59] <mhall119> svij: could you move my talk to Saturday? I'm currently overlapping dholbach's workshop on the same topic
[16:00] <mhall119> if not Saturday, later on Sunday?
[16:02] <svij> mhall119: I could swap it with my talk
[16:03] <mhall119> svij: you can just put me at 14:40
[16:03] <svij> mhall119: should be fine too, I'll move it now
[16:04] <mhall119> thanks :)
[16:05]  * svij can't decide if he should continue with his ubucon tasks or his boring slides for his next exam(s) :(
[16:07]  * dpm suggests, as much as he loves Ubuntu, that university *might* be a bit more important :)
[16:08] <svij> yeah :/
[16:19] <jose> hehe, same problem here o/
[16:19] <jose> trying to finish up a paper for later today
[16:29] <pleia2> jose: how long are you staying for OLF?
[16:30] <pleia2> suppose you have to get back home pretty quickly for school
[16:30] <jose> pleia2: yep, getting in on Thursday and coming back on Sunday. why?
[16:30] <pleia2> jose: trying to figure out if I stay Sunday and fly home Monday (like, 6AM crazy flight)
[16:31] <pleia2> if some folks are still around Sunday, that's a compelling reason to hang out :)
[16:31] <jose> uhhh, personally I don't like 6am flights
[16:31] <jose> that means getting up at 3:30am
[16:31] <pleia2> indeed it does
[16:33] <jose> my flight leaves on Sunday at around 11:45am
[16:33] <jose> so I have aaaaal Sat evening
[16:36] <pleia2> cool
[16:36] <pleia2> the after party is saturday night, so I'll likely go to that
[16:37] <jose> 1
[16:37] <jose> +1*
[19:03] <svij> mhall119: can we have a reshare/retweet from official ubuntu social media accounts? https://plus.google.com/u/0/102116228818057372011/posts/NWsMyksxgy2 and https://twitter.com/ubuconEurope/status/773234380546379777
[19:34] <svij> mhall119: thanks!
[19:37] <mhall119> np
[19:38] <svij> facebook is weird if you click the registration link you'll get an error, if you remove the last char it works perfectly… -.-
[19:39] <svij> oh man, it adds a hidden character at the end and then breaks the link