[22:46] <slinzex> I have dell vostro 1720. Using gnome3. When I unplug cable of AC, it shows me message : BATTERY CRITICALLY LOW... PC will hibernate. After that I can't do anything , it SHUTDOWN! not hibernate.  However the battery is full charged 100%. It happens sometimes. How could I fix this?
[22:48] <Naixin> My HDD will not mount. I have read I must use fdisk/e2fsck, but I cannot get it to recognise my drive.
[22:48] <Naixin> Normal startup informs me that it cannot be mounted. Using a Knoppix live CD, I can see everything on the drive.
[22:49] <jadugar> I booted 11.10 into a VM, but unfortunately I don't have USB-passthrough to the VM to make a bootable USB stick.  Is there a way to have it create a local file on disk that I can then later dd to a USB stick from my host machine?
[22:49] <tsaavik> Could someone pm me the output of: ps auxw |grep -i [w]orkspace
[22:50] <kaushal> cat glassfish0 | pastebinit -b http://sprunge.us -t [glassfish0] -> this does not set title
[22:51] <ronbas> so excuse my n00bage, is it possible to just mount the iso and upgrade from 11.04?
[22:51] <kaushal> ant clue ?
[22:51] <TB|Vibe-X> ronbas,  you can do dist-upgrade ;)
[22:51] <ronbas> thx TB|Vibe-X  is that suggested?  was trying to minimize my bandwidth usage (on their end)
[22:52] <TB|Vibe-X> ronbas, otherwise you better do fresh install ... or mount iso on loop device, but i dont know how to upgrade then
[22:52] <ronbas> gotcha, thanks
[22:52] <ing-daniel-lozan> hello
[22:52] <cutiyar> i cant Try out the ubuntu Cloud
[22:52] <TB|Vibe-X> ronbas, maybe you can do CDROM as package source
[22:52] <ronbas> cool, will look into that
[22:52] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, which problem exactly?
[22:53] <ing-daniel-lozan> will there be another realease of ubuntu netbook?
[22:53] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i had get the SSH username@ipadress when i wrote it on terminal it say ( Permission denied (publickey).)
[22:54] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, then you key is denied ;)
[22:54] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, why?
[22:54] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, dont know, which cloud is it? i didnt work with ubuntu cloud, but you pub key have to be on that server ;)
[22:55] <tryggvib> I have a IBM T40. After upgrading to 11.04 connecting to a wireless network stopped working. I believe it is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/743865 I just upgraded to 11.10 in the hopes of a fixed wireless but no cigar... any status update on this?
[22:55] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, and you authenticate with pub and private vua ssh
[22:55] <ing-daniel-lozan> exit
[22:55] <Guest11209> Hi there, I'm trying to compile some java code which uses an external library. How do I reference the foreign library in ubuntu?
[22:55] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, is your public key on that cloud (ssh authoisized keys)
[22:55] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, its latest one iam try it , he gave fingerprint also with SSH but i have to do to FINgerprint?
[22:56] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i dont if it is
[22:56] <TB|Vibe-X> say you better put your key on that server first, otherwise the server dont know your pub key, and deny it ;)
[22:56] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, but you can authticate with password too?
[22:57] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, here https://try.cloud.ubuntu.com they gave me this SSH with fingerprint
[22:58] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i just wrote ssh on terminal and say permission denied
[22:58] <TB|Vibe-X> it gave you ssh informations?
[22:58] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, server port username and password?
[22:58] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, doesnt ask to these
[22:59] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i just tried these nothing else
[22:59] <TB|Vibe-X> what do you type exactly in terminal?
[22:59] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, SSH username@ip and enter
[23:00] <ultrixx> hey guys can i switch to "classic" in the new ubuntu version?
[23:00] <wmoss> anyone tried installing Oneric on a macbook 8.1?
[23:00] <TB|Vibe-X> ultrixx,  you need to install gnome .. its removed in new ubuntu
[23:00] <wmoss> I'm having trouble with this tutorial: http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/~c705283/archives/2011/09/04/linux_support_for_broadcom_4331_wireless_chip_macbook_pro_81/index.html
[23:00] <wmoss> I get errors when trying to install the module
[23:00] <TB|Vibe-X> and what did you got ? which informations?
[23:00]  * tMH- is gone. nsf
[23:00] <ultrixx> TB|Vibe-X: thanks.
[23:01] <tew88> Just installed 11.10. Everything appeared to work OK in the live CD environment, but when attempting to boot into Ubuntu (dual-booting with W7), the splash screen fails and shows me a load of processes that are checked off with 'OK'. At this point it stalls, and the last process/task that I can see is to do with checking the battery status (I'm on a desktop.) Any suggestions? Have no idea where to begin to
[23:01] <tew88>  search for a solution.
[23:02] <swordz> Does Unity work with multiple monitors yet?
[23:02] <swordz> Or am I not going to upgrade?
[23:02] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i got this http://pastebin.com/sYVjeXxE
[23:02] <ultra-> evening
[23:02] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, yeah i register there now
[23:03] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, i see that : "All you need is an SSH client, and an SSH public key associated with your Launchpad.net"
[23:03] <mirja> hi i went through a buggy upgrade and now the xserver isnt starting, but startx works great
[23:03] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar,  you have to put your pub key on that server ;)
[23:03] <mirja> what should i do? dpkg-reconfigure?
[23:03] <ultra-> i have a mac osx volume on another partition... i can browse it from the GUI in ubuntu but i can't write to it b/c the destination is read-only... any ideas how i can change its contents?
[23:03] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, otherwise it deny
[23:03] <mirja> which package?
[23:03] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, yes it asked woth OPENID and loggened in
[23:03] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, which of PUB key ? and where to add?
[23:04] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar,  i see ... you better use that one time passwords from that site ;)
[23:04] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, you get, if you log in one time passwords
[23:04] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i dont understand
[23:05] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, you should use ssh with option to use password
[23:05] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, no public key
[23:05] <steros> how do I get pidgin to display anything in 11.10?
[23:05] <gene_> hey all, im having problems connecting to a windows machine with my ubuntu machine...
[23:05] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, ok how? which password my ubuntu passwords?
[23:05] <TB|Vibe-X> gene_, what exactly? thats problem
[23:05] <nocturnal_> how can i make a command run every time my computer starts up. im using ubuntu server
[23:05] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar,  no, that pw you get on ubuntu cloud site
[23:05] <mirja> nocturnal_, does startx work?
[23:06] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, it generates every time new again
[23:06] <gene_> TB|Vibe-X i dont really know, i have samba installed and the group is the same
[23:06] <gene_> i get an error message thats kinda long
[23:06] <nocturnal_> mirja: x isnt installed
[23:06] <nocturnal_> mirja: xinit isnt installed
[23:06] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i dont understand just give me away to try Cloud
[23:06] <gene_> error: dbus error org.freedesktop.dbus.error.noreply: did not recieve a reply....
[23:07] <tsaavik> Could someone pm me the output of: ps auxw |grep -i [w]orkspace
[23:07] <ericus-> Hey, anyone familiar with ClearOS?
[23:07] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar,  if you log in cloud and click upper site on start
[23:07] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, you get a line : ubuntu@SERVERIP
[23:07] <tew88> Ubuntu 11.10 won't boot up. Splash screen disappears and I'm left with lots of status messages that are all checked as 'OK'. The last one to appear says 'Checking battery status...' (or similar.) It won't progress beyond that. Any suggestions?
[23:07] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, avobe theres a password you need to use
[23:08] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i have this ubuntu@servip
[23:08] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, yeah and above this line there is a line :
[23:08] <nocturnal_> how can i make iwconfig run every time i start my server so i don't have to manually configure my wireless card
[23:08] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, Your randomly generated one time password is 'xxxxxxxxxx'. You will be forced to change
[23:09] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, no its not show password
[23:09] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, strange ...
[23:09] <gene_> can anyone point me to a guide that will explain how to share a folder over a network with one windows and one ubuntu computer?
[23:09] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, iam using Openid to use cloud may be its the openid password
[23:10] <TB|Vibe-X> say maybe, but in that moment, your pubkey is denied ... so you need a password
[23:10] <TB|Vibe-X> gene_, you better use samba GUI Tool
[23:10] <osd1000> I'm using ubuntu 11.10 and i think its Good. very good ever since i switched from linux mint 11.
[23:10] <ericus> I run a setup; internet > ClearOS > Switch > Workstation
[23:10] <gene_> on the ubuntu machine?
[23:11] <ericus> Can't get internet access from my workstation
[23:11] <osd1000> however i still have my linux mint 11 installation disc.
[23:11] <TB|Vibe-X> gene_, if you have that problems , so you could use a gui tool , finding in software center or in apt-cache search samba |grep gui
[23:11] <ericus> But I can access the server
[23:11] <ericus> and the server can access the internet
[23:11] <mirja> tew88, ive the same problem, startx works fine, but do you have any solutions?
[23:11] <gene_> ok thanks
[23:11] <TB|Vibe-X> gene_,  no problem ;)
[23:12] <somethinginteres> what is the general turnaround time for an update being in -proposed, making it into the main -updates?
[23:13] <osd1000> anyways. i think the first ubuntu version i used was 10.04 LTS.
[23:13] <w47331> anyone here run rFactor?
[23:13] <Jimmio> Hey all. Where are the pulse/alsa config files? It's choosing the wrong device for a USB audio device I have and only allows output because of that.
[23:13] <osd1000> control+windows key=opens dash home
[23:14] <Jimmio> osd1000: Windows key alone does that.
[23:14] <nocturnal_> i have breezy badger cds
[23:15] <DarsVaeda> is there a help for unit now with instructions on how to use the mess or still nothing? :/
[23:15] <w47331> my system has an unknown graphics hardware....but it shows up here what i have...  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/707607/
[23:16] <sejwal> Hello Everyone, need some help with gparted. I have a brand new 1 TB harddisk, it has 2 partition i want to delete and merge the into one. one of the partition gives a Unable to open /dev/sdb read-write (Read-only file system) error when trying to delete
[23:18] <ultra-> what does "omitting directory" mean when i try to copy a file via terminal?
[23:19] <tsaavik> cp dosn't copy directories by default
[23:19] <Zanzacar> If I have written a python script and I wanted to be able to simply type in the command and have it work instead of python program.py, how would I do that? Simply to the file in /usr/bin?
[23:19] <perlstein> add #!/usr/bin/env python
[23:19] <perlstein> to the top and make it +x
[23:19] <perlstein> chmod +x it
[23:20] <ultra-> i'm using: sudo cpNullCPUPowerManagement.kext /media/OSX/Extra/AdditionalExtensions/
[23:20] <ultra-> shouldn't that copy that file into the dir?
[23:20] <ultra-> i'm doing this from the file's directory
[23:20] <ultra-> um space after cp
[23:20] <Zanzacar> so do the same as you would for a bash script, but to do that you even have to call the location of the script, such as /home/username/Document/script.sh
[23:20] <w30> sejwal, I read some where that terabyte hard drives have a partition to help Windows XP or Windows something use them. I you ever want Widows installed on it again; check that out.
[23:21] <somethinginteres> Zacarias: I use "sh <nameofscript>.sh"
[23:21] <w30> Widows/windows
[23:21] <somethinginteres> Zacarias: woops sorry Zacarias - got confused there
[23:22] <sejwal> w30: Okay then I think its safe to leave that partition as it is and change the other parition as NTFS
[23:22] <Zanzacar> somethinginteres: If you do that you still need to be at the location of the script correct, you can be in any part of the file system and type in sh <scriptname>.sh and have it work.
[23:22] <ericus> Hey, anyone familiar with ClearOS?
[23:22] <Zanzacar> I want to make it a universal command basically similar to ls, cp, etc.
[23:23] <tsaavik> Could someone pm me the output of: ps auxw |grep -i [w]orkspace
[23:24] <osd1000> ubuntu is a pretty popular linux distro i don't know how it got so popular in 2005 and 2006.
[23:24] <torror> i do not get the desktop/compiz effects working. have the current nvidia driver and default unity theme
[23:24] <WinCamXP> pretty popular? its the most popular
[23:24] <iRabbit> Fedora > Ubuntu
[23:24] <osd1000> ... true.
[23:25] <osd1000> but fedora is like for experts and besides on fedora 15 gnome 3 always crashes.
[23:25] <WinCamXP> Is there any general Linux support channel here? All I know of is this, which is just Ubuntu...maybe #linux ...?
[23:25] <iRabbit> wincamXP: ##Linux
[23:26] <Zanzacar> a few months ago when I was switching from windows to linux I tried every linux distro I could find. I also tried to find help setting things up on each distro. I found ubuntu had the great community of people that would help me.
[23:26] <DarsVaeda> there is also debian if you like to keep it to that :)
[23:26] <DarsVaeda> #debian i mean
[23:26] <bailies> im on 64 bit 11.10 i added multiverse and partner in the source list i still don't see sun java in apt-cache how do i get it?
[23:26] <Zanzacar> Not only that I never had that many problem with it.
[23:26] <w47331> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/707632/ any help with installing the right drivers?
[23:26] <WinCamXP> bailies: use the partners repository for java 6
[23:27] <leftist> afternoon. we need to use mysql enterprise version. i always thought that mysql was free? it was open source? and free?  am i wrong? because when i went to oracles site, it offers me the opp to "try" it however it has like a 10k price attached to it. am i not thinking straight on this? i need some clarification. please.
[23:27] <WinCamXP> enterprise versions aren't ever free
[23:28] <Krenair> leftist, iirc there's a community edition which is free
[23:28] <leftist> is the community edtion equivilant to the enterprise edition?
[23:28] <leftist> krenair?
[23:28] <Corey> There are differences.  Welcome to Oracle's world, really.
[23:28] <Corey> I'm sure they've got a features matrix.
[23:28] <Zanzacar> So any thoughts on how to make scripts universal throughout the terminal? Such as ls, cp, cd, are?
[23:28] <leftist> that is what i feared.
[23:28] <WinCamXP> Oracle: horrible company that's so desperate for money their live support costs freakin money
[23:28] <Corey> leftist: aptitude install mysql-server
[23:29] <leftist> ok
[23:29] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello! I have a problem. I was doing an installation of Ubuntu 11.10, which was supposed to replace Ubuntu 11.04. It hanged up in the middle, while it was copying files. First of all, I want to know if I will be able to recover my files. Also, is it secure to turn it off by pressing the button that is used to turn it on?
[23:29] <leftist> yeah corey
[23:29] <Corey> Or apt-get, either way.
[23:29] <DarsVaeda> where did the extended system settings go in 11.10?
[23:29] <WinCamXP> Josee: use a LiveCD to copy your files to a flash drive, and then reinstall from scratch
[23:30] <bailies> WinCamXP i added partners but i still don't see it
[23:30] <WinCamXP> bailies: it's sun-java-6 or something like that
[23:30] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP I was using the LiveCD to install it on my PC, and it is still inside. Should I turn the PC off and take it off?
[23:30] <WinCamXP> Josee: just boot into the LiveCD environment instead of the HDD
[23:31] <WinCamXP> copy your files to a flash drive, and then format and try to install again
[23:31] <leftist> ok
[23:31] <WinCamXP> bailies: try googling "ubuntu sun java"
[23:31] <gribouille> oneiric doesn't work!!!
[23:32] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP I think you misunderstood me. I was running ubiquity. Ubiquity was installing the system, and it just hanged up. I don't even know if it finished installing my files, or if I have an empty disk.
[23:32] <WinCamXP> Josee: I know you were installing from the LiveCD, however except while installing that barely looks at the HDD. Just boot back into the live environment and see if everything's there.
[23:32] <itaylor57> bailies, sudo apt-get update that will update your change
[23:33] <gribouille> I've just installed oneiric, but it doesn't work. X can't start, because it can't find the video drivers
[23:33] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP And if there isn't anything, is there a way to recover the files?
[23:34] <bailies-> I'm trying to install sun java on ubuntu 11.10 64bit, i have multiverse and partners added to source list and i still can't find it, any help?
[23:34] <WinCamXP> Josee: almost certainly not, sorry if that happens.
[23:34] <Jimmio> Can anyone help me get my USB audio device working correctly? There's no input available as of Ubuntu 11.04.. 10.10 worked fine. I'm now in 11.10 and it's still not available. M-Audio Fast Track Pro.
[23:34] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP Ok. I'll try.
[23:34] <Dalek`> what is newest LTS?
[23:35] <JoseeAntonioR> Dalek` 10.04
[23:35] <BarryT> 10.04
[23:35] <WinCamXP> bailies: here's the ubuntu support page, go to the Sun Java section
[23:35] <WinCamXP> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[23:35] <Dalek`> thnx JoseeAntonioR
[23:35] <JoseeAntonioR> Dalek` You're welcome.
[23:35] <Milena> in the new ubuntu 11.10,can i change that bar to the right,,the one with the apps shortcuts
[23:35] <BarryT> No
[23:35] <WinCamXP> Milena: it's actually the left...you should use GNOME anyway
[23:36] <gribouille> is there a file with a list of the installed drivers?
[23:36] <gribouille> is there a file with a list of the installed packages?
[23:36] <JoseeAntonioR> Booting from live CD to check if files are still there...
[23:36] <WinCamXP> gribouille: Software Center or Synaptic have package lists, driver list is probably a terminal command
[23:37] <zmbmartin> Do I need to install something to add songs to my ipod in 11.10?
[23:37] <JoseeAntonioR> gribouille AFAIK, you can run a command to check which devices are installed in your PC. Just open a terminal and type "lsfhw" without quotes.
[23:37] <zmbmartin> It shows in banshee but I can't drag and songs to it
[23:37] <prototrout> In Ubuntu 11.10 double-click-dragging with my touchpad is very hit-or-miss. I've enabled tap-to-click in the Mouse/Touchpad settings app. Also, 3-finger-tap to middle-click doesn't seem to work. Any suggestions for either of these?
[23:38] <Milena> WinCamXP :) is on the left,,but interfere some times for example i was going to see installed apps and when i wanted to expand the games applications it take me to libreoffice
[23:38] <mongo> dpkg -l wills how installed aps
[23:38] <WinCamXP> Milena: log out into the login screen and at the bottom, something should say "Unity". click it and switch it to "GNOME" and log back in.
[23:38] <simpleblue> does anyone else get the 'disappearing mouse' every now and then. the mouse is gone but you can hover over things still
[23:39] <JoseeAntonioR> Checking for files...
[23:39] <Milena> WinCamXP :) i catually like that bar,will it go if i choose GNOME
[23:40] <WinCamXP> Milena: well, that bar on the left will be gone with GNOME, but there's probably a launcher app that could replace it that works with GNOME
[23:40] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP Still there :) Thanks for the advice :)
[23:40] <wonderworld> how can i add search and files to the unity launcher
[23:41] <WinCamXP> I find it de[ressing I am not a Linux pro by far, yet I can help so many people here... :\
[23:41] <prototrout> (To clarify on my question, dragging at all with tap-to-click on the touchpad works about half the time)
[23:41] <Stefanos_> hello everyone! I'm havin a bit of a problem while upgrading to 11.10? Coulc I pleas ehave some help?
[23:41] <WinCamXP> prototrout: even on Windows tap clicking is finnicky, use a cheap USB mouse if you have to.
[23:41] <JoseeAntonioR> Stefanos_ Just ask :)
[23:41] <prototrout> WinCamXP: This is specific to Ubuntu (or its default settings) - it works great in Windows, Fedora, Tiny Core, Arch, ...
[23:42] <johnjohn101> is ubuntu responsible for suspend/hibernate logic? or is this a kernel function?
[23:42] <Stefanos_> Ok.. I'm getting a message that sez:  "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[23:42] <Stefanos_> E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[23:42] <Stefanos_> This can be caused by:
[23:42] <Stefanos_> * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[23:42] <Stefanos_> * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[23:42] <Stefanos_> * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[23:42] <FloodBot1> Stefanos_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:42] <WinCamXP> JoseeAntonioR: are your files there? Make sure to back them up to some external storage device if they are
[23:42] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP They're there. I'll back up RIGHT NOW.
[23:42] <Milena> WinCamXP :) if i do what you suggest,,cahnges back can be made the same way ?
[23:42] <WinCamXP> Milena: yes, GNOME is better than Unity by far, but you can always switch back.
[23:43] <BlueProtoman> What's the difference between these two options; Guided: reuse partition, SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #5 (sda)  and Guided: use entire partition, SCSI (0,0,0), partition #5 (sda)
[23:43] <BlueProtoman> Does "use entire partition" format it?
[23:43] <Milena> WinCamXP :) thanks
[23:43] <Stefanos_> I'm getting a  message that sez about a probllem while calculatin the upgrade
[23:43] <Stefanos_>  E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages
[23:43] <netbook> hi
[23:43] <JoseeAntonioR> netbook Hi!
[23:43] <netbook> I just broke offf with my girlfriend
[23:44] <cutiyar> i have a problem while upgrade
[23:44] <WinCamXP> Milena: But remember, that bar on the left isn't there and is replaced by something like a cross between the Mac menu at the top and a Start button...but like I said, a simple launcher app could replace it easily.
[23:44] <Stefanos_> this can be cause by:  *upgrading to a pre-release  *running the current pre-release version of ubuntu
[23:44] <Stefanos_> any ideas ?
[23:44] <Pici> netbook: I'm afraid we can't provide support for that here, but #ubuntu-offtopic exists.
[23:44] <Corey> !lts
[23:44] <johnjohn101> install ubuntu netbook. more reliable and friendly
[23:45] <Stefanos_> anyone ?
[23:45] <JoseeAntonioR> Hmm. Looks like I have a problem here. (process:222): Pango-WARNING **: failed to choose a font, expect ugly output. engine-type=' PangoRenderFC', script =' latin'
[23:46] <JoseeAntonioR> It gets stuck there, it won't boot.
[23:46] <torror_> anyone had success installing gimp 2.7.3 on 64bit oneiric
[23:46] <WinCamXP> Josee: are you trying to boot from the HDD even though it didn't finish installing?
[23:47] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP Yes. I thought if finished although the graphic interface didn't work.
[23:47] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP Should I turn it off?
[23:47] <WinCamXP> Josee: If your files are backed up, turn it off, reformat, and reinstall.
[23:48] <JoseeAntonioR> Ok. Thanks.
[23:48] <histo> torror_: is that the version in the repo?
[23:49] <histo> !info gimp | torror_
[23:49] <zmbmartin> Anyone who can tell me why I can not sync music to my ipod with banshee?
[23:49] <histo> torror_: you may want to join #gimp it's their issue now
[23:50] <LytesOfSpartra> hey  guys
[23:50] <LytesOfSpartra> I'm worried
[23:50] <LytesOfSpartra> why in the Ubuntu Software Center in 11.10 is there a pay feature?
[23:50] <torror_> histo: ok thanks
[23:50] <LytesOfSpartra> Is Ubuntu going to be pay?
[23:51] <z00mer> Hi, is it preferrable to have my main install drive "sda2" or "sda1"  ?   Does it matter ?
[23:51] <WinCamXP> Lytes: Ubuntu itself will always be free, that's just for paid software.
[23:51] <LytesOfSpartra> oh..
[23:51] <LytesOfSpartra> so will it ever not be free?
[23:51] <Pici> LytesOfSpartra: There is some commerical software that may be offered in the software centre
[23:51] <LytesOfSpartra> oh
[23:51] <Pici> LytesOfSpartra: No. Ubuntu will always be free.
[23:51] <LytesOfSpartra> but non of this software is backed by Cononcial?
[23:51] <WinCamXP> Lytes: The creators of Ubuntu have always said ubuntu will never, ever cost a penny/quid/whatever-your-lowest-amount-of-currency-is
[23:51] <LytesOfSpartra> oh
[23:51] <somethinginteres> Just installed Ubuntu 11.10 - the new Gwibber installs but it has the old skin (yellow background on messages etc). How do I change it to the new slick skin?
[23:52] <Pici> LytesOfSpartra: It will need to be vetted by canonical to appear in the software center, but it doesn't necessarily need to be backed by them.
[23:52] <histo> LytesOfSpartra: they sell support for enterprise users
[23:52] <LytesOfSpartra> oh
[23:52] <histo> LytesOfSpartra: this is free volunteer support here
[23:52] <LytesOfSpartra> I knw
[23:52] <LytesOfSpartra> How iS Fedora vs Ubuntu?
[23:53] <Milena> WinCamXP:) i dont have the gnome option on my login screen,,im on ubuntu 11.10
[23:53] <WinCamXP> I think Linus Torvalds uses Fedora
[23:53] <LytesOfSpartra> well iS fedora good/
[23:53] <LytesOfSpartra> I used it before and wine was stupid
[23:53] <WinCamXP> Milena: how much RAM/CPU does your computer have? KDE would be a nice choice if it can handle it
[23:53] <LytesOfSpartra> It always crashed
[23:53] <Pici> LytesOfSpartra: Thats not really on-topic for this support channel. #ubuntu-offtopic may interest you.
[23:54] <prototrout> Back with the same question as a minute ago. Also: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/* and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* seem to be ignored. (At least, adding Options to 50-synaptics.conf did nothing.) Any idea why?
[23:55] <Wolfer1391> italian chan ?
[23:55] <Wolfer1391> help
[23:55] <Pici> !it | Wolfer1391
[23:56] <simpleblue> mouse freeze ups and qt creator version not stepup
[23:56] <simpleblue> this is not looking good
[23:57] <Moc> Except a few minor thing... I really don't see why gnome 3 isn't the main UI
[23:57] <simpleblue> me too Moc
[23:57] <lucas-arg> i like unity
[23:57] <neoteo> good morning
[23:58] <simpleblue> morning neoteo
[23:58] <simpleblue> i might try kubuntu
[23:59] <spikebike> hrm, 11.10 makes it harder to get rid of unity, suggestions?
[23:59] <Pici> !notunuty | spikebike
[23:59] <Pici> !notunity | spikebike
[23:59] <somsip> !nounity | spikebike


[01:43] <hye> hi
[01:43] <hye> does anyone know how to change the first screen of installer?
[01:44] <hye> when you install xubuntu, after language selection, you see the menu with image logo.
[01:44] <hye> i'm wondering if anyone knows how to change the logo


[01:45] <bigjools> roaksoax: around?
[03:12] <shang> bigjools: question, for the 12.04-nocobbler, I seen these critical bugs: https://launchpad.net/maas/+milestone/12.04.1-sru. Are these bugs also affect the 12.10 maas version? or only exist in the backported one?
[03:12] <bigjools> shang: ignore that milestone
[03:13] <bigjools> we're backporting the https://launchpad.net/maas/+milestone/12.10-stabilization one to precise
[03:14] <shang> ok
[03:15] <shang> so the issues will be fixed in 12.10 first then backport it to 12.04?
[03:15] <bigjools> shang: yup
[03:16] <shang> bigjools: if I read this correctly, the backport hasn't begin yet?
[03:16] <bigjools> shang: we had some dependencies to backport first, they are in -proposed
[03:17] <bigjools> when they are in -updates, we'll put maas in -proposed
[03:17] <shang> bigjools: ETA will be January?
[03:17] <bigjools> before the end of this year
[03:18] <shang> do you think these critical issues will be an issue if the customer deploy it in their production environment?
[03:20] <bigjools> yes
[03:21] <bigjools> it's why we're backporting all the way back to precise
[03:26] <shang> bigjools: I mean the current version of maas in 12.10 for production, since it is not ready in 12.04 yet.
[03:27] <bigjools> yes, it has problems
[03:27] <shang> also, is there a place where I can track the progress for the backporting?
[03:49] <roaksoax> bigjools: here!
[03:49] <bigjools> roaksoax: hey!
[03:50] <roaksoax> bigjools: howdy!
[03:50] <roaksoax> how's everything
[03:50] <bigjools> roaksoax: just wondering, did you do the apparmor backport to precise?
[03:50] <bigjools> shang: yes, see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/maas/+spec/cdo-r-maas-12.10-sru
[03:50] <roaksoax> bigjools: apparmor didn;'t need the backport, what needed was isc-dhcp
[03:50] <bigjools> shang: or the milestone will get marked released when I do it
[03:50] <roaksoax> bigjools: and it was there long time
[03:50] <roaksoax> bigjools: nobody processed it though
[03:51] <bigjools> roaksoax: oh so already done?
[03:51] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah it is not released yet
[03:51] <bigjools> oh, stuck in the queue or in proposed or what?
[03:51] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah, i can't remember wether its been more than 7 days but i'll make sure it gets done tomorrow
[03:51] <roaksoax> the only thing left is python-tx-tftp for precise, the rest has been uploaded
[03:52] <roaksoax> now it is time to do some politics to get things accepted
[03:52] <bigjools> roaksoax: ok I'll add work items on the blueprint
[03:52] <bigjools> roaksoax: good luck :)
[03:52] <shang> bigjools: thanks
[03:52] <roaksoax> bigjools: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-r-maas-next-steps
[03:52] <roaksoax> bigjools: all the INPROGRESS ones should be the ones in the queue
[03:53] <bigjools> ah ok you have another blueprint
[03:54] <bigjools> roaksoax: tip top, thanks
[03:54] <roaksoax> bigjools: that blueprint is the public one
[03:54] <roaksoax> bigjools: we usually track things that way
[03:55] <bigjools> ack
[03:56] <roaksoax> bigjools: ok so two major things
[03:56] <roaksoax> bigjools: 1. change how conffiles are being handled
[03:56] <roaksoax> 2. can't remember :)
[03:56] <bigjools> yes, conf files are a PITA
[03:56] <bigjools> a RPITA
[03:57] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah i'll get that done this week or early next week
[03:58] <bigjools> roaksoax: the major thing is that 1) we amend them on a reconfigure, 2) we amend them when installing, 3) they always conflict when installing
[03:58] <roaksoax> bigjools: the other thing, is we need to start testing upgrades from 1. older precise -> newer precise 2. older precise -> newer quantal 3. newer precise -> newer quantal 4. older quantal -> raring 5. newer quantal -> raring
[03:58] <bigjools> I am doing #1
[03:59] <roaksoax> bigjools: the approach i'll take is simple. Install them in /usr/share/maas/conf, cp them into /etc/maas in postinst, and do configuration
[03:59] <roaksoax> bigjools: in preinst, it will backup the previous config
[03:59] <bigjools> the problem is when changes really do need to be made :/
[03:59] <roaksoax> bigjools: yes, user changes, that's indeed the problem
[04:00] <roaksoax> but i can't see any other easy way around it, unles we get .d support
[04:00] <roaksoax> for *all* the configs
[04:01] <roaksoax> cause that should actually be the correct approach of doing things. .d for package modifications
[04:04] <roaksoax> bigjools: .d/ should be simple enough for maas_local_settings and the celery configs, not for the .yaml configs
[04:05] <bigjools> roaksoax: yeah, the yaml is the main source of pain
[04:05] <roaksoax> if we add .d/ for the other stuff, we can simply treat the yaml configs as the process specified above
[04:06] <bigjools> it would be worth enumerating the pros and cons for that
[04:08] <roaksoax> alright
[04:10] <bigjools> roaksoax: because we've made some critical changes to the yaml file in the past and if we had a separate copy installed that didn't get updated, the service would silently fail
[04:11] <roaksoax> bigjools: right, but that's why you have to make sure that the packaging does update
[04:12] <bigjools> roaksoax: pick your poison :)
[04:12] <roaksoax> bigjools: another thing is that we could use debconf more extensively to store values for re-use on upgrades
[04:13] <bigjools> might be easier, dunno
[04:13] <roaksoax> yeah anyways, i don't want to/won't stress anbout it
[04:16] <bigjools> yeah
[04:18] <roaksoax> anyways i'm off
[04:18] <roaksoax> have a good day
[04:55] <bigjools> cheerio
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