[00:28] <pompa__> flash question: to play media contents in firefox under kde wich plugin I have to choose?
[00:30] <r00t_ninja_> what do you mean flash question?
[00:31] <pompa__> i mean rapid
[00:31] <r00t_ninja_> oh k
[00:31] <pompa__> firefox suggested me some options
[00:31] <pompa__> but all of them seems to be gnome oriented
[00:32] <r00t_ninja_> i would suggest you install mozilla-plugin-vlc
[00:32] <pompa__> i have Gecko, totem, VLC, Mplayer,gxine
[00:33] <pompa__> but the vlc plugin is indipendent from the app?
[00:33] <r00t_ninja_> no
[00:33] <pompa__> or I have to install the entire VLC?
[00:33] <r00t_ninja_> it will install the entire vlc
[00:33] <r00t_ninja_> however vlc is a qt based app
[00:34] <pompa__> ok, thank you
[00:34] <cuznt> i have some boot grub2 issues
[00:44] <jason__> hey everyone
[01:04] <yaramazgeyik> some one help me ?
[01:08] <yaramazgeyik> someone help me
[01:09] <r00t_ninja> yaramazgeyik: with?
[01:09] <yaramazgeyik> .sh files
[01:09] <r00t_ninja> it is a script
[01:09] <ToxinPowe_>  sh file or ./file
[01:09] <yaramazgeyik> how to install it ?
[01:10] <yaramazgeyik> i am new linux user
[01:10] <r00t_ninja> first right click on it
[01:10] <r00t_ninja> click properties
[01:10] <r00t_ninja> go to permisssions
[01:10] <yaramazgeyik> okk
[01:10] <r00t_ninja> and tick "is executable"
[01:11] <yaramazgeyik> ok
[01:11] <r00t_ninja> may i ask what program this is?
[01:11] <yaramazgeyik> ıts game .. HoNclient
[01:12] <r00t_ninja> it probably needs to be run as root
[01:12] <r00t_ninja> you will  need to open up konsole
[01:12] <yaramazgeyik> i open konsole but i forget how to install :SS:
[01:12] <r00t_ninja> where is it saved?
[01:13] <yaramazgeyik> desktop
[01:13] <yaramazgeyik> cd ~/Desktop
[01:13] <r00t_ninja> oh wait
[01:13] <r00t_ninja> you should just be able to click it
[01:13] <yaramazgeyik> yes
[01:13] <yaramazgeyik> ok ok i see konsol
[01:14] <yaramazgeyik> thanksssss
[01:14] <yaramazgeyik> so much
[01:15] <yaramazgeyik> i install this game but i cant see game graphics :D
[01:23] <antlarr> hi
[01:23] <antlarr> any idea on how to restore my original symlinks from /etc/rcN.d/*  after running insserv ?
[01:24] <antlarr> insserv changed everything in all those directories :(
[01:24] <danielq> hello, can anyone do me a favor? I tried " sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jdk" , but got the error message: Couldn't find package sun-java5-jdk
[01:26] <r00t_ninja> i think only sunjava6 is available now
[01:27] <danielq> but I have to download java5 because Android requires java5 only
[01:28] <danielq> any workaround to fix this problem?
[01:32] <walid> hello
[01:32] <mark904> hello to you
[01:32] <danielq> has anyone installed java5 on karmic (9.10)?
[01:32] <r00t_ninja> danielq: its suasy java5 or java6 in the android docs
[01:33] <r00t_ninja> danielq: its says java5 or java6 in the android docs
[01:36] <mark904> gerald is having a personality crisis
[01:36] <r00t_ninja> sun-java5 is unsupported by sun now so you should really avoid using it
[01:38] <gerald_> de
[01:41] <danielq> r00t_ninja: that's what google says: http://source.android.com/download
[01:41] <cuznt> is there a way to make a recovery disk from a usb?
[01:41] <danielq> JDK 5.0, update 12 or higher.  Java 6 is not supported, because of incompatibilities with @Override
[01:41] <r00t_ninja> oh sorry i thought you were setting up the sdk
[01:42] <danielq> ;) i set up sdk earlier and installed java6. now it looks like i have to install 5 since i am interested in Android open source project
[01:44] <r00t_ninja> i think you can use jauntys packages
[01:44] <r00t_ninja> http://androidenea.blogspot.com/2009/12/ubuntu-910-java-5-and-android-open.html
[01:45] <r00t_ninja> hopefully that helps
[01:46] <danielq> it sounds a good idea. let me have a try... thanks
[01:48] <danielq> r00t_ninja:it's working now. thank you very much :)
[01:53] <cuznt> is there a way to get my start up config on a usb so i can boot from it?
[02:08] <gizmobay> I have a second hd in my comp. that has linux mint 7.04 from ages ago but it isn't a boot option. I'd like to use the space. What is the best way to do this? With the Gparted liveCD?
[02:11] <antlarr> so, who had the idea of keeping a working insserv binary in the distribution?
[03:51] <human> hello!
[03:55] <AlexZani> hi all
[04:17] <soee> hi
[04:31] <r00t_ninja> i accidently deleted everything in my ~/.kde i need to recover my address book , any ideas?
[04:57] <Daisy> can someone help me configuring the midi output on my kubuntu?
[04:57] <Daisy> please
[04:57] <Daisy> can someone help me configuring the midi output on my kubuntu?
[04:58] <dan_l> I'm a little new to the world of KDE.  I have an absolutely positively must have application that I want to autostart.  Can somebody tell me how I would go about doing that?
[05:00] <Daisy> dan_l: whats your problem?
[05:01] <soee> dan_l: System Settings / Advanced / and there is Autostart programs icon
[05:01] <dan_l> Daisy:  I've got this nifty program.  It's called googsystray.  I want to get it to autostart upon login.  I found an autostart folder.  I found what I believe is the program.  I'm trying to smash the two together.
[05:01] <dan_l> Soee:  that sounds easy.  Let me give it a shot.
[05:02] <dan_l> Soee:  I think it worked.  That's disturbingly easy.
[05:03] <dan_l> I now know why you KDE people are such nuts.  This thing is sexy.
[05:03] <soee> well i never used that, so just check if it works like u want :)
[05:03] <dan_l> Only problem is, KDE keeps crashing the vista partition.  Which means I have to go full linux.  I am scared by this concept.  But it should be fun.
[05:04] <soee> how crasing ?
[05:04] <soee> *crashing
[05:05] <dan_l> Ya know:  I'm really not sure.  Windows fails to boot up frequently.  I've tried two or three installs.  Only thing I can figure out is that either Kubuntu or Grub is hosing something in the windows partition.
[05:05] <jason__> hey guys - is there any way I can nuke my xorg file and redo it without being logged into the system? I changed my screen resolution in kubuntu and rebooted. Now when I boot up in kubuntu, the login screen just disappears. I cant do anything and I kinda need this laptop rolling tomorrow morning for owrk.
[05:05] <dan_l> But it's a windows problem.  It just means I have to make Office and Eve run in WINE and all is well.
[05:06] <soee> dan_l: well i was using win xp and win 7 on other hdd and there was no problem with grub or lunching that systems
[05:06] <dan_l> errr.....Jason:  maybe with a live disk?
[05:07] <jason__> dan_l - if I boot to a livecd and take away my xorg (rename it to xorg.conf.bak or something) and reboot, will xorg auto-generate a new one upon booting up?
[05:08] <dan_l> Soee:  It's just windows sucking.  I don't even see a good reason to fix it anymore.  I just need excel and eve.  The rest of the winheadaches can go pound sand.  Seriously:  for as little time as I spend there, I spend way too much time fixing it.
[05:08] <rocafuerte> can someone help me configuring the midi output on my kubuntu?
[05:08] <dan_l> Jason__:  To be honest---I have no idea.  that would be the first thing I would try, though.
[05:09] <jason__> dan_l - were gonna find it here shortly. I'm very frustrated that changing my resolution and rebooting would make the laptop unusable. This isnt something I expected.
[05:09] <jason__> if it wasnt for the fact I need this running asap I'd slap f12 on it, but its midnight and Im tired :(
[05:10] <soee> its 6:10 in the morning :)
[05:10] <jason__> 1210 here
[05:10] <soee> u should go sleep :D
[05:10] <dan_l> Jason__:  Understandable.  I would think there's something else 'weird' going on there.  May I ask if you're using an HP/compaq laptop?
[05:10] <jason__> gotta get up at 6 am :/
[05:10] <soee> well in Poland u are already late :)
[05:11] <jason__> dan_l - its a Dell Latitude E5500. Been a faithful laptop with *buntu for a long time. Then changed my resolution to work with a project and blam. This happened. Very disappointed.
[05:12] <dan_l> Jason__:  Weird.  Really weird.  I've never had an issue with that laptop ever.  As a matter of fact, it's probably been the most trustworthy ubuntu machine I've had.
[05:12] <dan_l> Unlike my current box where firefox just decided to stop working.  WTF?  heh.
[05:13] <jason__> dan_l - I dont know bro. Its very frustrating. Couple that with a few other qwirks Ive had with my desktop and Im just not sure what else to do.
[05:13] <dan_l> I would give the live disk a shot jason.  It's probably your best bet for a quick resolution.
[05:14] <jason__> Im on the live disk now. Having some trouble reading that partition. Things just keep getting better and better.
[05:15] <dan_l> Trouble reading the partition?
[05:16] <jason__> It just doesnt have it listed to explore in /media
[05:16] <jason__> I can see my homne partition but not root.
[05:16] <dan_l> That really doesn't sound normal.
[05:20] <dan_l> Jason, you going to be around for about 5 minutes?
[05:41] <mofa> when i close the lid on my laptop, nothing happens. i want it to suspend to RAM. any ideas?
[06:29] <mofa> anyone here?
[06:58] <dan_l> Ok.  I goofed up.  I had to reinstall/uninstall/reinstall firefox a few times.  And now google is totally fugly.  Any guesses?
[06:59] <Cuddletauren> what is the best way to set up remote desktop on kubuntu
[07:00] <DarkriftX> sudo apt-get install tightvncserver (i think)
[07:00] <dan_l> Actually.....it's just google.  Everything else looks right.   If I use the trackpad isntead of the usb mouse it goes normal speed. Does anyone here have any suggestions as to what I could try to fix it?
[07:07] <mofa> it is set to suspend to RAM. but it doesn't do it
[07:12] <mofa> Darkriftx: I know this is gonna sound dumb... have you tried cleaning the USB mouse? make sure there isn't any dirt up there
[07:12] <DarkriftX> yeah
[07:13] <DarkriftX> i blew it out but its nice and clean
[07:13] <DarkriftX> plus i tried a 2nd mouse
[07:13] <DarkriftX> its not a dirty type of slow
[07:13] <DarkriftX> its a sluggish movement, like when your computer doesnt have enough cpu to move it
[07:13] <DarkriftX> but cpu is at 1-10%
[07:14] <DarkriftX> this happened 1-2 years ago and someone had me do something about software/hardware rendering of the mouse, but I cannot figure out what it is, or where to enable/disable it
[07:14] <DarkriftX> and not finding anything on google
[07:14] <DarkriftX> this is making my computer unusable
[07:15] <mofa> and your trackpad works fine?
[07:15] <DarkriftX> yes
[07:15] <DarkriftX> not sluggish at all
[07:15] <DarkriftX> no errors about usb in dmesg either :(
[07:15] <DarkriftX> no hard graphics going on
[07:15] <DarkriftX> i tried with kwin and compiz
[07:16] <DarkriftX> it has gotta be a setting somewhere
[07:23] <mofa> have you tried the usb mouse on another computer?
[07:25] <mofa> and, software & hardware rendering of the mouse is an X11 thing. it'd need to be done in the xorg.conf file
[07:28] <DarkriftX> mofa: i took my wifes mouse from hers and tried it. it did  the same thing
[07:28] <DarkriftX> its either a setting or dead usb ports (but other things work fine)
[07:37] <mofa> DarkriftX: you could try adding the SWCursor / HWCursor in the xorg.conf file
[07:37] <mofa> if you say that's what fixed it last time
[08:10] <TheKro> can anyone here help me? my openoffice has just stopped opening ( I had to kill the app on a previous doc)
[08:13] <r00t_ninja> TheKro: did you lose anydata?
[08:13] <r00t_ninja> if so look in ~/.openoffice.org/3/user/backup
[08:14] <r00t_ninja> get the backup out of there and then delete your ~/.openoffice.org
[08:20] <TheKro> r00t_ninja: didn't lose anything - tried deleting the directory, but that didn't help
[08:21] <r00t_ninja> could you try launching open office from a terminal
[08:21] <TheKro> i am launching it from a terminal
[08:21] <TheKro> no error messages - just hangs
[08:22] <r00t_ninja> maybe you could try reinstalling it
[08:22] <r00t_ninja> sudo apt-get install open-office.org --reinstall
[08:23] <TheKro> ok - will have to try that when I'm back at work - thanks
[08:23] <r00t_ninja> also try rebooting maybe some process has hung that openoffice uses
[08:35] <Guest23891> #ubuntu-cn
[09:19] <thanasis> how can i change sever?
[09:19] <thanasis> server
[09:40] <BigBoy> hi anyone know if konquor webbrowser can play youtube vids it says it does not have latest flash although i can play them in ff and chrome
[09:43] <BigBoy> hello
[09:44] <BigBoy> !ops
[09:48] <Mamarok> BigBoy: why on earth are you calling for ops for a support question?
[09:49] <Mamarok> !patience | BigBoy
[09:52] <Mamarok> right, so much for patience... *sigh*
[09:58] <Enzo_01> hello
[09:58] <Enzo_01> i was installed skype
[09:58] <Enzo_01> but it won`t use the default kde theme
[09:58] <Enzo_01> how can i setup it to use it
[10:04] <ghostcube> Enzo_01: not sure but inside skype isnt there an option use WM decos instead of skype decos ?
[10:04] <ghostcube> i only know it from windows version
[10:40] <r00t_ninja> is the ATI Radeon 2100 supported?
[10:42] <jussi01> !ati | r00t_ninja I do believe there is a list here:
[10:43] <TheAncientGoat> Hey guys, has anyone released a dropbox kde integration? I remember reading something along that lines a while back but I'll be darned if I can find it now
[10:44] <r00t_ninja> thanks
[10:45] <jussi01> TheAncientGoat: http://antrix.net/journal/techtalk/dropbox_kde.html
[10:48] <TheAncientGoat> jussi01: Yep, google gave me that, but hows the kde integration on that one?
[10:49] <jussi01> TheAncientGoat: what exactly do you mean by "kde-integration" ?
[10:50] <TheAncientGoat> As in a panel notifier that opens up the db folder when clicked
[10:51] <jussi01> Not sure, havet played with it - its not hard to do, so why not give it a try. Also, ubuntu one works not bad on kde ;)
[10:51] <TheAncientGoat> Oh cool, seems to work fine
[10:52] <TheAncientGoat> Actually, heh
[10:52] <TheAncientGoat> I remember doing this for Mandriva earlier this year
[10:52] <TheAncientGoat> and it worked perfectly too
[11:00] <TheAncientGoat> Man, the sabayon gaming distro is meh :\ Spring doesn't work on it, so its pretty much only warsow, nexuis, openarena and torcs that actually push pixels.. Also, torcs car models aren't as good as I thought they'd be
[11:06] <oscar-halle> Hallo! Brauche dringend Hilfe für Ubuntu!
[11:07] <ghostcube> !de
[11:08] <oscar-halle> Hello! I very need help by a problem with Ubuntu!
[11:08] <ghostcube> oscar-halle: still the wrong channel :D but may we can help too
[11:09] <ghostcube> geh einfach in #ubuntu-de oder #kubuntu-de ich glaub da tust du dir leichter
[11:09] <ghostcube> o.o
[11:09] <oscar-halle> My computer named "cannot" makes my root away by the installation of packets from the DVD.
[11:10] <ghostcube> oscar-halle: pls /join #kubuntu-de
[11:10] <oscar-halle> (Sorry for my bad English.  How come I to #kubuntu.de?
[11:12] <ghostcube> was für ein chatprogramm
[11:12] <ghostcube> ?
[11:12] <ghostcube> join #kubuntu-de  eingeben vor dem join ein /
[11:13] <oscar-halle> Danke
[11:15] <ghostcube> oscar-halle: klappts ?   /join #kubuntu-de oder /join #ubuntu-de immer ganz an den anfang der zeile schreiben keine leerzeichen davor
[11:18] <oscar-halle> Sorry, but in #kubuntu.de is nobody.
[11:21] <oscar-halle> Who can help me by an Ubuntu problem?
[11:24] <oscar-halle> I very need help for an Ubuntu problem!
[11:26] <oscar-halle> Where can I ask for my problem?
[11:28] <TheAncientGoat> oscar-halle: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[11:29] <oscar-halle> Ubuntu 8.10 to 9.04
[11:30] <TheAncientGoat> oscar-halle: Well, #ubuntu would be the best place to ask for ubuntu help.
[11:31] <oscar-halle> When you mean ubuntu help by google, so I found many informations, but nothing for my special problem.
[11:35] <oscar-halle> Nowhere an experte for Ubuntu?
[11:38] <oscar-halle> I'm in the Internet with a live system. My installed Ubuntu is broken. I need help!
[11:40] <TheAncientGoat> oscar-halle: No, the #ubuntu channel
[11:40] <TheAncientGoat> as in /join #ubuntu
[11:40] <TheAncientGoat>  #kubuntu is a different distro
[11:41] <oscar-halle> I can't see in the list #ubuntu, also #kubuntu.
[11:45] <oscar-halle> I don't know how to go in #ubuntu channel.
[11:45] <octa> type /join #ubuntu
[11:45] <oscar-halle> okay, but HOW?
[11:46] <TheAncientGoat> Type it in the box where you type messages
[11:46] <TheAncientGoat> and press enter
[11:46] <oscar-halle> Now I understand. Thanks.
[11:46] <octa> you start by typing blackshalsh in the box ...
[12:12] <TheAncientGoat> I know I asked this yesterday, but got no reply, does anyone know about Mandriva's Nepomuk semantic task functionality, and whether Kubuntu plans to implement something similar?
[12:13] <MendoCino> Happy Hanucah brotherz
[12:15] <MendoCino> ola vbgunz bruder
[12:15] <MendoCino> Anyone use ZTE MF626 stick for 3G-UMTS mobile-internet access?
[12:34] <shadeslayer> any idea how to kill the sound backend and restart it?
[12:38] <soee> hi
[12:38] <shadeslayer> soee: hey :)
[12:38] <MendoCino> Hosanna soee brother
[12:40] <noaXess_kubuntu> hi
[12:41] <noaXess_kubuntu> i have one machine where some processes goes 1%.. like plasma-desktop, kpackagekitsmarticon.. an each process is multiple opened
[12:41] <shadeslayer> noaXess_kubuntu: that can happen sometimes
[12:41] <shadeslayer> my xorg is taking 17 pc right now
[12:42] <noaXess_kubuntu> then the system is very slow..
[12:42] <noaXess_kubuntu> on that machine i use kdm not a lot.. just a kubuntu  media server with disabled kdm..
[12:43] <noaXess_kubuntu> kded4 is also opened multiple
[12:46] <noaXess_kubuntu> still have a lot of processes
[12:51] <noaXess_kubuntu> why i get a lot of same processes? they still running and slow down my system
[12:56] <Peace->  noaXess_kubuntu?
[12:57] <Peace-> what's hte problem?
[12:57] <Illusioneer> Is anybody here having this problem too, I did a system upgrade to Koala and it is just krashy as hell.  I launched kontact and that alone caused the entire desktop to restart.
[12:58] <Illusioneer> it's also punitively slow, and according to top nothing is really using the CPU
[13:00] <Peace-> Illusioneer: well you have upgraded ?
[13:00] <Peace-> so you have delete .kde fodler ?
[13:00] <Peace-> so you have deleted .kde fodler ?
[13:00] <ToxinPowe_> maybe wrong graphic drivers?
[13:00] <Illusioneer> no
[13:00] <Illusioneer> not a system upgrade no
[13:00] <Peace-> fresh install?
[13:00] <Illusioneer> well no i am wrong, i did a system upgrade on another machine last year
[13:01] <Illusioneer> nope it was running the prior one to Koala just fine
[13:01] <Peace-> Illusioneer: well koala it's not so nice to do upgrading .. from older one
[13:01] <Illusioneer> even things like moving windows has a 30 second delay
[13:01] <Peace-> i suggest to delete $HOME/.kde
[13:01] <Peace-> or do a fresh installation
[13:02] <Tm_T> erm...
[13:02] <Illusioneer> you mean delete ALL of my system configurations, imap settings, kopete accounts,etc
[13:02] <Illusioneer> are you from Windows support?
[13:02] <Peace-> delete or rename
[13:02] <Tm_T> shoudln't be needed
[13:02] <Peace-> or you keep your crappy system
[13:02] <Peace-> Tm_T: when you change kde vesion...
[13:02] <Tm_T> Peace-: and watch your tone there
[13:03] <Illusioneer> or maybe ask for a second opinion before i trash my system
[13:03] <Peace-> Illusioneer: you don't need to trash
[13:03] <Tm_T> Illusioneer: does this same happens if you add another user and try with that
[13:03] <Peace-> just rename the folder
[13:03] <Peace-> Tm_T: which tone?
[13:05] <Illusioneer> i'll add another user and see, also is there a general log for plasma-desktop so when it restarts i could see if something triggered it?
[13:05] <noaXess_kubuntu> where can i configure a autologin into kde, if i'm in console?
[13:05] <Tm_T> Illusioneer: you mean what crashed it?
[13:05] <paulsomebody> Hello people, please help me if uou can. I am seeking an equivalent for Mic Boost option in Windows. Do Kmix support it?
[13:05] <Peace-> paulsomebody: i have it
[13:05] <Peace-> paulsomebody: kmix settigns
[13:05] <Peace-> configure channell
[13:06] <Illusioneer> take your pick, launching Kontact, konqueror, pan, almost anything can do it, it'll sit there frozen for 2 or 3 minutes then it drops out and requires me to log back in
[13:06] <Tm_T> Illusioneer: ah, whole session crashes
[13:06] <Tm_T> Illusioneer: ~/.xsession-errors
[13:07] <paulsomebody> I have already sought threre, but there is only an option to increase sound level of the mic input, not the signal level.
[13:07] <paulsomebody> Maybe this depends upon motherboard ot something else?
[13:08] <Illusioneer> ™_T i notice in the log alot of kio errors being thrown
[13:08] <Illusioneer> not sure if that's relevant or normal
[13:09] <Peace-> paulsomebody: http://imagebin.ca/view/2XK1Gru.html
[13:09] <Peace-> paulsomebody: if you have not maybe your sound card driver doesn't support it
[13:09] <Illusioneer> i don't think it's just X though, in a shell on my other computer I ssh'd in and to sudo bash, which previously was almost instant it took over 10 seconds
[13:09] <Peace-> paulsomebody: and maybe you nedd to set it
[13:10] <paulsomebody> I haven't installed any additional drivers drivers beyond stocked with 9.10 CD.
[13:11] <Illusioneer> i am however starting to think the culprit is konqueror
[13:11] <Peace-> paulsomebody: well audio driver for every auydio cards is alsa
[13:11] <Illusioneer> i just killed it and the other apps became much more responsive
[13:11] <Peace-> paulsomebody: and you have it
[13:11] <Illusioneer> which is strange as it was taking (according to top) less than 3% of the cpu
[13:11] <paulsomebody> Peace-: I see.
[13:11] <paulsomebody> Peace-: And then?
[13:11] <paulsomebody> Peace-: What do advice?
[13:11] <Peace-> paulsomebody: it's a new computeR?
[13:12] <paulsomebody> Peace-: Yes, it's a new one.
[13:12] <Peace-> paulsomebody: open a teminal and type lspci  | grep -i audio
[13:13] <noaXess_kubuntu> where can i configure a autologin into kde, if i'm in console?
[13:13] <paulsomebody> Peace-: Output is "00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller"
[13:13] <paulsomebody> noaXess_kubuntu: Maybe in the "Login Settings", not in the console?
[13:14] <paulsomebody> Peace-: Any progress?
[13:15] <noaXess_kubuntu> i'm remotely over ssh on the machine and restartet kdm, now no user is logged in, now i want enable autologin, for testing... and i'm only over ssh connected to the machine
[13:15] <Peace-> paulsomebody: wait a moment
[13:16] <Peace-> paulsomebody: alsamxier -V all
[13:16] <Peace-> paulsomebody: taht should show all controls you have for the audio cards coudl you post on some image host server?
[13:16] <paulsomebody> Peace-: Sure thing.
[13:17] <paulsomebody> Peace-: http://imagebin.ca/view/F4VRVHK5.html
[13:17] <paulsomebody> Peace-: That's it.
[13:18] <Peace-> paulsomebody: could you go on right with right arrow^?
[13:19] <Peace-> and post again
[13:19] <paulsomebody> Peace-: I have already tried adjusting "Mic Boost" slider, but that don't help very much. Mic noises grows in volume, but signal in VoIP stays low.
[13:20] <paulsomebody> Peace-: But okay, have it.
[13:20] <paulsomebody> Peace-: http://imagebin.ca/view/HShHLCrx.html
[13:22] <Peace-> paulsomebody: well you need to se well mic , mic boost AND CAPTURE
[13:22] <Peace-> if i set bad CAPUTRE I get bad recording
[13:22] <Peace-> it semmes you have 2 microphone
[13:22] <Peace-> one intenal
[13:22] <Peace-> and one external
[13:22] <Peace-> so you have 2 CAPTURE
[13:22] <Peace-> slider
[13:22] <FloodBotK3> Peace-: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:23] <paulsomebody> Peace-: One mic connected, two inputs. Front and back.
[13:25] <Peace-> paulsomebody: sudo apt-get install sox libsox-fmt-all #thast install some stuff to record via terminal
[13:25] <Peace-> paulsomebody: then you can do rec -o test.wav
[13:25] <Peace-> To stop use CTRL C ; then play test.wav
[13:25] <Peace-> but i really think you have only to find out well how to set mic, mic boost and capture volume
[13:26] <Peace-> because if you set bad capture i get bad recoridng
[13:26] <Peace-> with a lots of noise
[13:26] <Peace->  /you/i
[13:27] <paulsomebody_> Peace-: I am checking results, thank you. And yes, here.
[13:27] <paulsomebody_> Peace-: One in two, thank you IRC.
[13:28] <Peace-> ok i am going out :)
[13:28] <Peace-> you are welcom
[13:28] <Peace-> e
[13:28] <paulsomebody_> Peace-: Thank you again.
[13:48] <paulsomebody_> And one more, people. Is "segmentation fault" errors sometimes bothering my KDE stay related to the KDE itself, or to the operative memory?
[13:49] <squid0> I upgraded from jaunty to karmic, and X freezes when I close my laptop lid. any help or suggestions, please? I've disabled DRI but the same problem
[13:49] <paulsomebody_> In other words, are this bugs or broken RAM?
[13:50] <squid0> I tried disabling powerdevil at one stage, but it made no difference
[13:50] <squid0> the screen goes black, with the cursor visible, and the system totally freezes
[13:50] <paulsomebody_> squid0: Maybe this is "Lock screen" feature?
[13:50] <jussi01> paulsomebody_: bugs
[13:51] <paulsomebody_> jussi01: Thank you.
[13:51] <squid0> paulsomebody_: you seriously just asked me that?
[13:52] <paulsomebody_> paulsomebody_: Before I did I used to think so.  I cannot interact with it at all, and I am forced to kill power at the switch. this is not just the screen locking.
[13:55] <paulsomebody_> squid0: Thank you, but I can't help.
[13:56] <squid0> paulsomebody_: you're welcome. that's ok. I hope somebody can
[13:57] <squid0> jussi01: got anything?
[14:01] <cuznt> help please. i have a 320g w/ dual boot installed. winxp64 kubuntu 64 and the reboot is only xp
[14:02] <cuznt> i am on a live cd. i have my dolphin open and can see both installs yet it will not boot kubuntu
[14:02] <cuznt> only x:[p
[14:11] <jhunold> cuznt: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot#Recovering GRUB after reinstalling Windo
[14:26] <paulsomebody_> People, could someone advise me a tag editor beyond EasyTag? Maybe a plugin to Amarok? Googling didn't helped yet.
[14:26] <llutz> kid3
[14:28] <nonameNN> hey all... im experiencing really slow speed installation when i have to setup partitions on the installer... is it ok?
[14:29] <soee> nonameNN: dunno if its ok but i hade teh same
[14:30] <paulsomebody_> llutz: Interesting one. Thank you very much.
[14:30] <llutz> paulsomebody_: works fine for me, not as confusing as easytag is ;)
[14:31] <nonameNN> it takes for ever to configure partitions that doesnt happen with gtk installer
[14:32] <ozi> anyone can help upgrade KDE 4.3.4 ?
[14:32] <ozi> kubuntu karmic
[14:33] <nonameNN> ozi: wait ill give u the line
[14:34] <ozi> ok
[14:34] <soee> osi uograde to 4.3.4 or to 4.4 beta ?
[14:34] <soee> ozi:
[14:34] <ozi> yes
[14:34] <soee> geez my keybord just sux :/
[14:34] <ozi> :D
[14:34] <soee> sorry for this last word
[14:35] <soee> ozi: yes upgrade to 4.4 ?
[14:35] <ozi> 4.4
[14:35] <nonameNN> sudo add-apt-repository && sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y
[14:35] <nonameNN> ozi: sudo add-apt-repository && sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y
[14:36] <ozi> ok
[14:36] <ozi> i try
[14:36] <soee> :)
[14:36] <nonameNN> ozi: u want 4.4?
[14:36] <soee> he nedds beta ppa
[14:36] <ozi> latest :D
[14:36] <nonameNN> ozi: wait ehehe
[14:36] <ozi> im new in linux
[14:37] <soee> ozi: remember that 4.4 beta has some bugs
[14:37] <nonameNN> ozi: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y
[14:37] <paulsomebody__> Is 4.4 stable enough for every-day use?
[14:37] <nonameNN> kde 4.4 its not stable at all
[14:37] <ozi> my KDE 4.3.2 error
[14:37] <nonameNN> lastest on linux its usually not always better
[14:38] <ozi> canot logout
[14:38] <ozi> canot reboot
[14:38] <paulsomebody__> This "at all" sounds scary, just as supposed to.
[14:38] <nonameNN> ozi: u need to change gdm for kdm to do so
[14:39] <nonameNN> ozi: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm or sudo update-alternatives --config gdm i think im not sure which one
[14:39] <ozi> ok
[14:39] <ozi> i will try
[14:39] <paulsomebody__> nonameNN: If I have made a fresh installation from 9.10 CD, do I have a usplash?
[14:40] <nonameNN> paulsomebody__: i dont undestang what u are tryin to ask
[14:41] <nonameNN> paulsomebody__: we all have usplash unless u remove ir
[14:41] <nonameNN> it
[14:41] <paulsomebody__> nonameNN: It seems that you don't need to understand questions to answer them. Thanks.
[14:42] <ozi> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm >> for gnome
[14:42] <ozi> ?
[14:43] <nonameNN> ozi: yeah ull have then a window to choose between kdm or gdm
[14:48] <walid> hi everybody
[14:49] <nonameNN> waild everybody isnt here, may a take the message?
[14:50] <walid> waht
[14:50] <walid> sorry
[14:50] <walid> what
[14:51] <nonameNN> walid, its a joke
[14:51] <walid> i'm new in ubuntu
[14:51] <walid> and my web cam doesn't work on it
[14:52] <walid> help mz
[14:52] <walid> me
[14:52] <nonameNN> waild how are u tryin to use it?
[14:53] <walid> no i install cheese
[14:53] <walid> but
[14:53] <walid> a msg box appear and says no device
[14:54] <nonameNN> walid: ok, open cheese from the terminal and pastebin on paste.ubuntu.com to see whats the error
[14:55] <walid> i open and then
[14:56] <nonameNN> walid: go to paste.ubuntu.com and paste what the terminal shows you
[14:57] <walid> the terminal don't show
[14:58] <nonameNN> walid: did u open a terminal and then type there cheese?
[14:58] <walid> yes
[14:58] <walid> but anything
[14:58] <walid> the cheese window opened
[14:58] <nonameNN> walid: ok do alt-F2 and type gstreamer-properties and try setting there ur web cam
[14:58] <walid> and nothing else
[15:02] <walid> a msg box appear <<Video for Linux 2 (v4l2): Impossible d'identifier le périphérique « /dev/video0 ».>>
[15:02] <nonameNN> walid: try rebootin
[15:03] <walid> chouf can you give how to install the driver of my webcam
[15:04] <nonameNN> walid: well its all in v4l2...
[15:05] <nonameNN> walid: try just v4l driver
[15:05] <nonameNN> walid: try to change v4l2 it maight not be supported by it
[15:08] <walid> i'm newbie
[15:11] <nonameNN> walid: try changin settings in that window
[15:14] <walid> i must leave now
[15:14] <walid> are alwyas here
[15:14] <walid> are yo always here
[15:15] <nonameNN> yeah
[15:15] <nonameNN> i mean
[15:15] <nonameNN> i go to the bathroom and u know... live in general... but i like being here
[15:15] <walid> looool
[15:15] <walid> do you have an email
[15:16] <walid> msn
[15:16] <walid> or skype
[15:16] <nonameNN> either
[15:17] <nonameNN><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:17] <nonameNN> i might not be on the pc for a while in few seconds but, if i am i can help u out as much as i can noo problem
[15:18] <walid> thanks
[15:19] <walid> i will send to u an invitation when i return
[15:19] <nonameNN> and i will certainly accept it
[15:19] <walid> thanks to all
[15:20] <walid> and good bye
[15:30] <cabrey> hi guys. i'm on ubuntu right now with dual screens and it works well. i tried the kubuntu live cd because i want to use kde but the screens were mirrored. is this because my hardware wasn't supported in kde or is it because it's a live cd?
[15:34] <TheAncientGoat> cabrey: I had the exact same problem
[15:35] <TheAncientGoat> With KDE in general
[15:35] <TheAncientGoat> After install, that is
[15:35] <cabrey> so it worked or didn't after you installed to disk?
[15:35] <TheAncientGoat> Couldn't get monitors to un-mirror at first, but when I did, resolution's couldn't be set properly
[15:36] <cabrey> *groan*
[15:36] <KiRiLoS> cabrey, you should try it yourself
[15:36] <TheAncientGoat> I'm no pro though
[15:36] <KiRiLoS> i guess you have different hardware
[15:36] <TheAncientGoat> I think fiddling around with it might just make it behave
[15:36] <cabrey> it is an intel igp so I would think it should work fine
[15:37] <cabrey> but i need to move stuff off before i try
[15:37] <KiRiLoS> Ofc
[15:37] <KiRiLoS> you must always backup your files bfr doing anything
[15:46] <jussi01> cabrey: Ive Nvidia with dual screens here. Intel and ATI elsewhere. just check the card supports a desktop of that size (some dont)
[15:46] <cabrey> jussi01, I know it does because i'm using it right now in gnome
[15:47] <jussi01> cabrey: excellent. then theres no reason it wont work in kde
[15:47] <jussi01> Mine works perfect here
[15:47] <jussi01> ;)
[15:47] <cabrey> well on the live cd it didn't work
[15:47] <cabrey> it just mirrored the screens and there was no apparent way to extend the desktop instead of mirror
[15:54] <cabrey> well here goes nothing
[16:02] <abhi_> hello
[16:04] <ozi_> hello
[16:24] <cabrey> i still have the same problem...
[16:25] <TheAncientGoat> cabrey: Have you tried installing xrandr?
[16:26] <cabrey> do you mean libxrandr?
[16:27] <TheAncientGoat> cabrey: There's an xrandr app
[16:27] <cabrey> are you talking about the gtk one?
[16:28] <cabrey> there's a bunch i just ran apt-cache search xrandr
[16:29] <TheAncientGoat> cabrey: Hmm, looks like KDE's config tool has a multiple monitors zone
[16:29] <cabrey> it doesn't let me use it
[16:30] <cabrey> well i managed to force dual screens with the package arandr
[16:31] <TheAncientGoat> Is that what ya wanted?
[16:32] <cabrey> yep
[16:33] <TheAncientGoat> Cool :)
[16:34] <cabrey> and desktop effects work too :)
[16:34] <cabrey> maybe this will all be fixed in 4.4
[16:38] <TheAncientGoat> cabrey: Hehe, maybe by 4.5 we'll have the perfect desktop XD
[16:39] <cabrey> i did try the beta 2 a while back and finally plasma is silky smooth (even on a netbook)
[16:41] <cabrey> kinda ot but what font do you use for kde?
[16:42] <TheAncientGoat> cabrey: Not sure, lemme check
[16:42] <TheAncientGoat> DejaVu and SansSerif
[16:44] <cabrey> sans is too boring for me ;P
[16:46] <TheAncientGoat> Hehe, I've never thought about changing the font, tbh
[17:22] <cristina_> buonasera a tutti
[17:22] <maco2> !it | cristina_
[17:23] <cristina_> ok, sorry. have a good life :)
[17:43] <fanti> hello! i'm wondering why the java tool 'visualvm'  depends on openjdk even if the sun's java runtime is already installed ?
[17:45] <genii> jre is not jdk
[17:46] <fanti> yeah i know. i've the full jdk package for sun's java insalled. and i don't like the openjdk stuff, but would like install visualvm as an ubuntu package
[17:47] <crimsun> fanti: does it work with sun-java6-jdk installed?
[17:47] <fanti> crimsun: yes it does
[17:49] <crimsun> fanti: do you know offhand if it requires java6, or will it work with java5, too?
[17:50] <crimsun> looks like java6 is required
[17:50] <fanti>  i only tested the stand-alone version of visualvm which runs with my sun-java-6 package
[17:53] <fanti> i guess there is no way to install visualvm from ubuntu-package that uses my existing sun-java-6 ?
[17:54] <crimsun> fanti: I just uploaded a fixed version to Lucid that allows for sun-java6-jdk to be used instead
[17:54] <fanti> cool
[17:54] <crimsun> (you're also credited in the changelog)
[18:00] <bliss> guys theres no sound in songbird... anyway to fix this?
[18:01] <mastercactapus> anyone get 5.1 sound through hdmi with pulseaudio? using kubuntu 9.10
[18:01] <crimsun> mastercactapus: select the appropriate device using pavucontrol or gnome-volume-control
[18:02] <mastercactapus> i did that, and i get sound but only 2 channel
[18:03] <Guest62434> ciao
[18:05] <soee> mastercactapus: i was dealing with alsa and pulse audio few day and could find way to make my 5.1 sound works fine, so i used oss nad now all works perfect
[19:03] <sork> hi everybody
[19:04] <sork> is anybody speaking russian?
[19:07] <sork> Can somebody help me?
[19:08] <shadeslayer_> !ru | sork
[19:10] <soee_> hmm
[19:10] <soee_> !pl
[19:45] <ubuntu_> hi
[19:51] <rossini> ciao
[20:14] <lordganesh> how to remove startup applications
[20:17] <rossini> ciao
[20:17] <rossini> ciao
[20:22] <lordganesh> anybody how to disable kmail from startup
[20:24] <yofel> lordganesh: systemsettings->advanced->autostart maybe?
[20:25] <lordganesh> yofel: there is no such option to disable kmail
[20:26] <yofel> hm...
[20:26] <shadeslayer> lordganesh: try closing it the next time you shutdown/logout
[20:29] <lordganesh> shadeslayer: i closed it and log out still it runs at startup
[20:29] <shadeslayer> lordganesh: check ~/.kde/Autostart/ to see if its empty or not
[20:30] <lordganesh> shadeslayer: it's empty
[20:31] <shadeslayer> lordganesh: um.. check the settings in kmail... thats all i can think of :P
[20:32] <lordganesh> shadeslayer: ok i done with kmail ..but i want to remove other applications from startup too such as mdic
[20:33] <shadeslayer> mdic?
[20:34] <lordganesh> shadeslayer: its dictionary
[20:34] <shadeslayer> lordganesh: ill be afk for the next 1 hour or so,so im sorry cant help you :(
[20:34] <shadeslayer> lordganesh: um check its settings,thats all i can say :)
[20:56] <Trebla> when opening the network which program should be used to view other file on network computers?
[20:58] <Trebla> files^
[20:59] <shadeslayer_> dolphin
[21:00] <Trebla> thank you
[21:03] <faydriss> i need help mounting my /dev/sdb1
[21:03] <faydriss> i have just formatted it to fat32 so i can access it with windows also
[21:04] <harold> ñ
[21:07] <Roasted> Question - Would Kubuntu have any sort of negative impact on Samba performance as opposed to Ubuntu? Now and then, completely randomly, I cant connect to my samba shares. It says something about a firewall, yet I dont have one on. Then without changing anything, it'll work fine later on. What's up with this?
[21:08] <cuznt> !mount
[21:09] <cuznt> !diskmounter
[21:09] <cuznt> !fstab
[21:21] <Roasted_> Anybody know why my Kubuntu laptop will randomly give me problems with connecting through a samba share? I didnt have this problem with ubuntu that I recall, but ever since I switched to Kubuntu I have mixed results in when it works and when it doesnt. It's very random, and changes unprompted. Any idea?
[21:21] <gitano> kk
[21:36] <dwidmann> Hmm, I've not been able to get Amarok to work since installing KDE SC 4.3.90, has anyone else had problems with this?
[21:41] <Wei> dwidmann: are you trying to ask a question?
[21:42] <wizardslovak> hello
[21:42] <wizardslovak> how do i .tar folder in command line?
[21:43] <Wei> wizardslovak: tar cxtf tar_folder/ folder.tar
[21:45] <wizardslovak> ok so i wrote "tar cxtf etc/ etcbackup.tar and i got error "you may not specify more then one -acdtrux option"
[21:45] <Warlock> is anyone else having issues with updates in Karmic ???
[21:48] <Warlock> can someone tell me why "sudo apt-get install updates" is not working ??? I get update packages can not be found error
[21:51] <Warlock> funny in a room full of people no one can answer....
[21:53]  * genii sips and ponders the package "updates"
[21:54] <Roasted_> Anybody know why my Kubuntu laptop will randomly give me problems with connecting through a samba share? I didnt have this problem with ubuntu that I recall, but ever since I switched to Kubuntu I have mixed results in when it works and when it doesnt. It's very random, and changes unprompted. Any idea?
[22:00] <dwidmann> Wei ... in short, I was doing whatever it was that I was doing. I'm having too many problems with it at the moment to really have any hopes at compiling a useful bug report also. I'm just wondering if I'm alone. If that makes any sense at all.
[22:04] <Wei> dwidmann: I feel ur pain bud. I can only suggest searching the bug reports and probably forums.
[22:13] <dwidmann> Wei, in the meantime, Juk of course works fine :)
[22:16] <Toast> Can anyone recommend me a backup program please. I would prefere one which can keep reverse incrimental backups filling a given space and clearing out the old backups as required.
[22:17] <Dragoneye> Hi Can you me a German Kubuntu irc client then type the address please'm new sry ?
[22:21] <kriss3d> Dragoneye:  you want a german languaged IRC program ?
[22:21] <PowerTeam> Hi, How do i select audio decice in kubuntu 9.10, asoundconf is missing
[22:21] <Dragoneye> yes
[22:21] <Dragoneye> client adress ^^
[22:22] <kriss3d> client address ??
[22:22] <yofel> Dragoneye: huh? most of the kde clients should have a german translation, at least quassel does
[22:22] <kriss3d> you mean where to download a german irc client ?
[22:22] <Dragoneye> mom
[22:22] <yofel> s/kde/kubuntu
[22:22] <yofel> and...
[22:23] <yofel> !de | Dragoneye
[22:23] <Dragoneye> thanks @all I use google translator ^^#
[22:24] <yofel> Dragoneye: then let's take this to #kubuntu-de
[22:25] <PowerTeam> I have sound and both sound cards works, i only need to select a default
[22:25] <Dragoneye> thanks bye bye and nice evening ;)
[22:26] <intruder> hi
[22:28] <PowerTeam> Il google some more, happy xmas
[22:29] <intruder> ive been through many forums but my simple separate X screen with the proprietary nvidia driver with kubuntu 9.10 still gives me not desktop on the second screen, just a working X at the right resolution with a black background
[22:29] <intruder> anyone happens to know the trick ?
[22:34] <falnik> hi
[22:34] <intruder> ok i found out
[22:34] <r00t_ninja_> intruder: try nvidia twinview
[22:34] <intruder> it anyone wants to know
[22:34] <intruder> r00t_ninja_: it's between a 42" TV and a 22" monitor
[22:35] <r00t_ninja_> oh lol
[22:35] <r00t_ninja_> im sure theres a way to do it wituout two x screens
[22:36] <intruder> yea i can manually start another window manager on the other X
[22:37] <r00t_ninja_> what about randr ?
[22:37] <r00t_ninja_> does the nvidia driver support that?
[22:41] <dwidmann> intruder ... you're right, but other WMs/DEs have no issues with separate X screens. Out of the box no less.  (Kind of a painful "solution" though)
[22:44] <r00t_ninja_> i think the noveau drivers support randr with alot of nvidia cards and you can just plug in another screen and everything will work
[22:44] <dwidmann> r00t_ninja_: last I heard noveau was still pretty limited and experimental, unless this has changed?
[22:45] <r00t_ninja_> 2d support is fairly solid
[22:45] <r00t_ninja_> 3d support is still unsupported
[22:46] <dwidmann> hmm, I might play with that later
[22:46] <dwidmann> (though I'd be crippled without 3d)
[22:47] <r00t_ninja_> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix
[22:48] <r00t_ninja_> most cards dont support tvoutput yet
[22:52] <lordganesh> is there any command line bittorrent client in kubuntu
[22:53] <EricInBNE> how do I add an icon with a launcher to my desktop - one that is not in my system menu?
[22:54] <slow-motion> hi
[22:55] <EricInBNE> hi
[23:20] <gimox> hello there
[23:21] <gimox> just one question, how can I transfer my music from Amarok playlist to my Creative Zen?
[23:21] <gimox> drag & drop simply doesnt work...
[23:22] <EagleScreen> right click on playlist and transfer to Zen
[23:22] <EagleScreen> gimox: what amarok version?
[23:22] <gimox> 2.2.0
[23:22] <EagleScreen> it is not possible in that version
[23:23] <EagleScreen> upstream is working on it
[23:23] <gimox> mmh
[23:23] <gimox> so i have to upgrade?
[23:23] <EagleScreen> negative, you have to downgrade
[23:23] <gimox> to the 1.4 version?
[23:23] <EagleScreen> yes
[23:24] <gimox> well... this is quite silly, anyway thanks a lot :)
[23:25] <EagleScreen> are you in karmic, gimox?
[23:25] <gimox> yes i am
[23:26] <EagleScreen> you can use the KDE3 maintainers PPA to install amarok 1.4
[23:26] <EagleScreen> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu/ karmic main
[23:26] <Quintasan> nooo
[23:27] <Quintasan> or you can test new Amarok
[23:27] <Quintasan> it now supports playlist copying :)
[23:27] <EagleScreen> yes, try out if you want
[23:28] <gimox> humm
[23:28] <gimox> i'd prefer to upgrade, is it possible to upgrade only amarok?
[23:29] <Quintasan> gimox: yes
[23:29] <gimox> is there any PPA or similar?
[23:29] <Quintasan> gimox: open up konsole, do sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:29] <gimox> done
[23:29] <EagleScreen> surely in Kubuntu beta PPA
[23:29] <bdizzle> hi, I was wondering what program I would use to either play *.ogv files, or to convert it to *.avi or *.mpeg
[23:30] <Quintasan> gimox: add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu karmic main" to the end of the file
[23:30] <Quintasan> without quotation marks of course.
[23:30] <Quintasan> then press CTRL+X
[23:31] <r00t_ninja_> bdizzle: dragon player should be able to play ogv
[23:31] <Quintasan> gimox: press Y and then ENTER
[23:31] <bdizzle> okay, thanks r00t_ninja_
[23:31] <r00t_ninja_> or vlc
[23:31] <gimox> Quintasan: done :)
[23:31] <EagleScreen> Quintasan: did you know this new way to add a repository? $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[23:32] <Quintasan> gimox: then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install amarok  and remove the PPA entry from the list since you probably don't want to update to unstable versions of KDE
[23:32] <Quintasan> EagleScreen: oh I forgot
[23:32] <Quintasan> Habits are sure scary :P
[23:32] <EagleScreen> yes
[23:33] <gimox> upgrading..
[23:34] <EagleScreen> uh
[23:34] <EagleScreen> the beta amarok package depends on KDE 4.3.85 !
[23:34] <EagleScreen> so he is installing it
[23:34] <gimox> that's not cool, because i'm using an old version of kde 4.3
[23:35] <Quintasan> gimox: interrupt it then, ctrl+c
[23:35] <gimox> too late eheh
[23:35] <Quintasan> gimox: It's still downloading, right?
[23:35] <gimox> no alreay installed
[23:35] <Quintasan> that fast?
[23:35] <gimox> fast connection :P
[23:35] <Quintasan> omfg
[23:35]  * Quintasan sure got crappy connections here in Poland
[23:35] <gimox> np this PC was already going to be formatted
[23:36] <EagleScreen> gimox: the kde 4.3.85 version may be enought good, just tell us
[23:36] <EagleScreen> you are now a beta tester, congratulations!!
[23:37] <Quintasan> gimox: while you're at it, why don't you install dbg packages for KDE and play around with it and report bugs if you encouter any?
[23:37] <gimox> wee i'm a new man now
[23:37] <Quintasan> or at lest upload backtraces if the bug was already uploaded
[23:37] <gimox> well this amarok version is so eyecany!
[23:38] <gimox> eyecandy*
[23:38] <EagleScreen> gimox please try out playlist support and tell me
[23:38] <gimox> mmmhh
[23:38] <lordganesh> how to display lyrics for video songs in amarok
[23:38] <gimox> still can't copy songs to my zen
[23:39] <gimox> maybe i need to restart because i've installed new libs?
[23:39] <Quintasan> gimox: that would be a good idea
[23:39] <gimox> ok let's try
[23:39] <EagleScreen> gimox: if you plan use this new kde, then du a full upgrade
[23:40] <EagleScreen> *do a full upgrade
[23:40] <EagleScreen> now you probably have half kde 4.3.2 and half kde 4.4beta2
[23:40] <EagleScreen> I think, or all in 4.3.2, or all in 4.4 beta2
[23:41] <gimox> yes i agree, but atm i just need to fill my zen, i'm going to reinstall kubuntu probably tomorrow
[23:41] <Quintasan> gimox: okay, if you want to upload backtraces of crashes of amarok or kde in general please consider installing packages like amarok-dbg and kdebase-dbg
[23:41] <gimox> because i was using kde 9.10 from alpha5
[23:41] <EagleScreen> okay, reboot now and please let me know how is Zen working
[23:41] <Quintasan> gimox: see the buttons at the bottom of playlist?
[23:42] <gimox> i've already installed that packages :)
[23:42] <gimox> those
[23:42] <Quintasan> oh man, I want your connection
[23:42] <gimox> yes it's fast, but so expesive...
[23:42] <gimox> probably i'm going to drop it
[23:43] <Quintasan> dbg packages take at least 300mb of download, what speed of connection you have?
[23:43] <gimox> ok let's reboot
[23:45] <EagleScreen> trying to build amarok_<IP_ADDRESS> for karmic
[23:51] <EagleScreen> quiza a gimox se le rompio la instalacion


 ?
 long time since I've used that package manager.
 Watch him running Ubuntu on ChromeOS.
 @ahoneybun, No, I was running it on my phone
 So confused
 Note 9 + Dex
 interesting.  Seems like an older version?
 Y U NO Ubuntu Software Center?
 @AdamOutler, It is the older LTS.
 @AdamOutler, Always been a Cli/Synaptic person
 @KMyers, Lol
 apt-get all the way
 https://fossbytes.com/raspberry-pi-3-model-a-launched-with-802-11ac-wi-fi-built-in-bluetooth/
 You can now run esxi on a pi
 makes sense, you can just cluster some hardware for power and space
[19:47] <maxolasersquad> Canonical Extends Ubuntu 18.04 LTS Linux Support to 10 Years https://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/canonical-extends-ubuntu-18.04-lts-linux-support-to-10-years.html
 Owow!
 Nooooo
 Why Nooooo?
 You just upgraded.
 That's way too long.
 I'm the one stuck on that old crusty 2016 version.
 Yeah, and now you don't have to upgrade for a decade.
 ^
 All those problems you had with upgrade and stuff not working?  Solved...  Don't upgrade.
 especially servers
 Not for 10 years.
 Yeah.  I've got a 16.04 server.
 10 years of security updates!  Who cares about not getting the latest features on a server?  Does it run what it needs to run?
 it's linux, if you want the feature, just manually install it
 I mean, usually when you see an uptime of 1200 days, it means the server needs to be reinstalled.   With this, you can see more than 3,000 and it's still questionable
[20:01] <maxolasersquad> I agree that 10 years is too long, enabling companies to continue bad practices. On the other hand, I'm sure this comes from market pressures, and you can't blame Canonical for meeting the desires of its customers to win and keep business.
 What bad practices?
 Not tearing down and rebuilding servers every 4 years?  Seems like the alternative is way worse.
[20:16] <maxolasersquad> Letting your infrastructure become whoefully outdated.
[20:22] <maxolasersquad> If your devops practices are good then moving your applications between servers isn't so bad.
 It's a bad idea.
 why?
 that's about the lifetime of a server anyway
 if you've had a server for 10 years, you're probably getting a new one sometime soon
 It's going to make people on the desktop say on an LTS forever.
 *stay
 I also am opposed to this. It encourages people to stay on out-of-date software/hardware. Even if the OS is kept op to date for 10 years, what are the chances that package maintainers will be also updating the packages. This is exactly why people are still running PHP4 scripts
 I see it now working for a software company
 When do you stop supporting legacy software
 People who mean business have good dev ops and move off legacy software
 I see it with the cases I work
 @govatent, As soon as it becomes economically impractical
 seeing how different IT firms work at a data center, it's a way to get stay secure because execs hate downtime
 I feel like today, down time for upgrades is mostly a thing of the past when done right
 since executives have pretty much no idea what they do, they see any downtime as a failure of the IT dept, even for an upgrade
 this mitigates that
[20:36] <maxolasersquad> From Canonical's perspective, they probably have prospects passing on Ubuntu because they can get 10 years of support on RHEL. That's most certainly what is driving this.
 hm... didn't think about that
 they're probably betting on people just switching to the new LTS every year and is mainly focused on servers
 i wouldn't be surprised if they saw the data from installations and came to that conclusion