[12:05] <rvr> davmor2: ping
[12:05] <davmor2> pong
[12:07] <davmor2> rvr: lunch is called back in 30
[12:07] <rvr> davmor2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/lxc-android-config
[12:08] <rvr> davmor2: adb reboot recovery after flash does not allow "adb shell mount /system"
[12:08] <rvr> davmor2: Is there a way to install the recovery.img without wiping the current image?
[12:09] <rvr> I think you told me how, but my memory is volatile
[12:41] <davmor2> rvr:  enter fastboot mode on the phone and then do fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
[12:43] <rvr> davmor2: Aha, thanks
[19:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[19:33] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, howzit ?
[19:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, I am having some issues with docviewer app and autopilot, have you got time or should I send you an e-mail ?
[19:48] <balloons> shoot
[19:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, ooops sorry had to reboot
[19:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, did I lose something ?
[19:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, the last thing I read was "shoot" :-P
[19:56] <balloons> Letozaf_, :p.. Go ahead, what's up with docviewer?
[19:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, on 15.10 when I launch docviewer, it is slow to start, it takes about 20 sec. (got a video of the problem: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10083981/test.ogv and a log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11655577/)
[19:59]  * balloons wtches
[19:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, instead with 15.04 got this problem (log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11655580/)
[20:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have e-mailed Stefano about this but he says it's better I speak with you :)
[20:00] <balloons> Letozaf_, wow, that's taking a long time
[20:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes... sorry the first log is wrong one, let me paste a new link...
[20:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11655627/
[20:24] <balloons> Letozaf_, kk
[20:24] <balloons> sorry, got hung on a call
[20:25] <balloons> Letozaf_, so X11: DisplayConnectionError(':0', b'Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key') issue is with not copying the .Xsession file
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, that error is on 15.04 but the 15.10 issue is just slow down with an introspect error at the beginning
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, 22:03:13.218 ERROR proxies:410 - Introspect error on :1.130:/com/canonical/Autopilot/Introspection: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[20:27] <Letozaf_> 22:03:13.218 DEBUG proxies:413 - Executing introspect queue due to error
[20:27] <Letozaf_> 22:04:04.466 ERROR proxies:410 - Introspect error on :1.130:/com/canonical/Autopilot/Introspection: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[20:27] <Letozaf_> 22:04:04.466 DEBUG proxies:413 - Executing introspect queue due to error
[20:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, so is there a branch you have I can try out to replicate? or is this trunk?
[20:41]  * balloons tries trunk
[20:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have a branch...
[20:42] <Letozaf_> https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-docviewer-app/remove-single-file/+merge/261143
[20:43] <balloons> awesome, trying
[20:47] <balloons> Letozaf_, launches in normal time for m
[20:48] <balloons> are you on wily?
[20:48] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes
[20:48] <Letozaf_> balloons, and you ?
[20:48] <balloons> same
[20:48] <Letozaf_> balloons, :O
[20:48] <Letozaf_> Letozaf_, shoot what have I got wrong :-P
[20:50] <balloons> Letozaf_, well the tests all fail
[20:50] <balloons> autopilot.exceptions.StateNotFoundError: Object not found with name 'MainView'.
[20:50] <balloons> So heh, it may not be better
[20:50] <balloons> I should upgrade this box too
[20:50] <balloons> how are you building the app?
[20:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, with Qtcreator
[20:51] <balloons> I'm not, probaly the issue
[20:51] <balloons> let me switch
[20:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, I pushed some changes I had made...
[20:54] <balloons> rebuildin
[21:00] <balloons> woot, running
[21:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, :(
[21:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, so it's my PC
[21:01] <balloons> ubuntu_docviewer_app.tests.test_docviewer.TestMainWindow.test_go_to_page_pdf_file works and runs in 4.6 seconds for me
[21:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, meh!
[21:02] <balloons> but it works! :-)
[21:02] <balloons> it's curios why you are seeing a difference
[21:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, I must have something broken, but have no idea what it could be, maybe I could just re-install Wily it would be quicker
[21:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, than trying to find out what is broken
[21:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think I will go for the re-install, I have my home in a separate partition so I will not lose anything, I will just have to install everything all over again :)
[21:06] <balloons> Letozaf_, wow.. crazy
[21:07] <balloons> I suppose if we just want it to work.. is there a reason you can think of that something would be off in your installation?
[21:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, well also Stefano does not have my problem
[21:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, but with all the messing around I do I probably have messed too much, I suppose :P
[21:08] <balloons> Letozaf_, I just want to make sure we're not sweeping over a real issue is all
[21:09] <balloons> but yea, looks like the test works fine.
[21:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, it's not a problem to re-install, and if I still have the problem afterwards ... well it means it has to be something else on my PC
[21:09] <Letozaf_> :P
[21:09] <balloons> Letozaf_, it'll probably work fine
[21:09] <balloons> good luck!
[21:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, thanks :D
[21:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, going to bed now, buona notte :)
[21:10] <balloons> ciao1
[21:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, ciao


[14:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:12] <philinux> BluesKaj: hi
[14:13] <BluesKaj> hi philinux
[14:13] <philinux> BluesKaj: have you seen the info re alphas > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/ubuntu-13-04-to-drop-alpha-releases?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG!+Ubuntu!%29
[14:16] <BluesKaj> philinux, it says Kubuntu won't be affected , I'm a KDE user.
[16:52]  * genii-around makes coffee
[20:28] <FernandoMiguel> OHNOES
[20:29] <FernandoMiguel> I got the new Nautilus again
[20:29] <FernandoMiguel> I didn't like the 2nd version they tested, and even if this one is better looking I still want my old Tree pane back
[20:31] <trism> looks like we are getting 3.8 for raring though, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21371/desktop-r-default-file-manager/
[20:52] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, you still want what back?
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: file tree in the pannel
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> I drag and drop a lot of stuff among folders in diff locations
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> í keep forgetting to file a bug with nautilus and CIFS... if you open some tabs and delete files, after a bit, you can no longer delete files or rename  them... weird... been happening since last cycle
[21:12] <FernandoMiguel> kinda offtopic, dunno but if anyone could help me debug this:
[21:12] <FernandoMiguel> google plus hangouts plugin crashes on my profile on both firefox and chrome. but it works just fine on Guest Session.
[21:12] <FernandoMiguel> what could lead my profile to be causing it to both browsers from a plugin that is installed system wide?
[21:20] <bjsnider> i think nautilus is basically perfect the way it is
[21:23] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: :(
[21:25] <bjsnider> the improvements and changes for 3.6 are great stuff
[21:25] <FernandoMiguel> if it looses a feature I use, it can't be great
[21:25] <BluesKaj> yeah , it's perfect ...as long as I don't need to use it :)
[21:28] <FernandoMiguel> lol
[21:45] <FernandoMiguel> need another person to test, please https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6a8a06d3fa040d6a899b7501f653997a905fad0b


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[01:49] <tsimonq2> infinity, slangasek: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-April/004387.html <-- my proposal regarding getting rid of milestones, resulting from the discussion we had a few weeks ago.
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[04:22] <flocculant> !team | thoughts on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-April/004387.html
[04:23] <tsimonq2> \o/
[04:25] <flocculant> wrong channel
[04:25] <flocculant> I'm not awake
[04:25] <tsimonq2> hehe
[04:25] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[04:31] <Bashing-om> flocculant: Whatever you big boys decide to do .. I will do what I can to help .
[04:31] <valorie> big boys!
[04:32]  * valorie is not a boy in any sense of the word
[04:33] <Bashing-om> hehe - It's the role - that I play such a small boy part of :)
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[06:00] <cpaelzer> Hi, anybody of the release team around that could consider FFE-ack'ing bug 1762315 ?
[06:00] <ubot5`> bug 1762315 in qemu (Ubuntu) "slirp: Add domainname option to slirp's DHCP server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762315
[06:14] <cpaelzer> Another bug that would be great to have FFE exception soon would be bug 1761899
[06:14] <ubot5`> bug 1761899 in nginx (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please merge with 1.13.10-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761899
[06:15] <cpaelzer> good morning sil2100
[06:15] <cpaelzer> seeing you join, might I hijack you for an FFE-view on 1761899 and 1762315 ?
[06:17] <sil2100> Morning!
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[06:18] <sil2100> cpaelzer: let me take a look in 5 minutes
[06:18] <cpaelzer> thanks, in case of questions let me know
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[06:38] <cpaelzer> sil2100: I'm dropping my daughter at kindergarden now, but really if there is anything while reviewing those bugs for FFE I'll be here with you again shortly
[06:45] <sil2100> cpaelzer: did you do a test build of the new version?
[06:45] <sil2100> cpaelzer: of nginx
[06:59] <cpaelzer> sil2100: we did on the MP
[06:59] <cpaelzer> sil2100: let me get you a linkg
[06:59] <cpaelzer> sil2100: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3228/+packages
[06:59] <cpaelzer> sil2100: from my MP review https://code.launchpad.net/~nacc/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+git/nginx/+merge/342762/comments/895908
[07:14] <sil2100> cpaelzer: thanks!
[07:14] <sil2100> Yeah, didn't look at the MP, maybe I should have ;)
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[07:16] <jamespage> doko: next cycle
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[07:28] <sil2100> cpaelzer: ok, both approved
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[07:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted httping [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.5-1.1]
[07:31] <cpaelzer> thank you so much sil2100
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: buildbot (bionic-proposed/primary) [1.1.1-1]
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-8 (bionic-proposed/main) [8-20180406-0ubuntu1 => 8-20180408-0ubuntu1] (core) (sync)
[07:42] <slangasek> andyrock: hi, thanks for the branch on software-properties.  Are you confident that moving the deps is not going to leave any runtime failures on systems that have software-properties-common / python3-software-properties installed but not software-properties-gtk?
[07:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted buildbot [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.1-1]
[07:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-8 [sync] (bionic-proposed) [8-20180408-0ubuntu1]
[07:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: buildbot [amd64] (bionic-proposed/none) [1.1.1-1] (no packageset)
[07:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted matplotlib [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.1.1-2ubuntu3]
[07:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted buildbot [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.1-1]
[07:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libgoogle-gson-java (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.4-2 => 2.8.2-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libgoogle-gson-java [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.8.2-1]
[08:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bppphyview (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.5.1-1 => 0.5.1-1build1] (no packageset)
[08:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libbpp-phyl (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.3.2-2 => 2.3.2-2build1] (no packageset)
[08:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bppsuite (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.3.2-1 => 2.3.2-1build1] (no packageset)
[08:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libbpp-qt (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.3.2-1 => 2.3.2-1build1] (no packageset)
[08:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bppphyview [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.5.1-1build1]
[08:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libbpp-phyl [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.3.2-2build1]
[08:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bppsuite [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.3.2-1build1]
[08:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libbpp-qt [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.3.2-1build1]
[08:03] <Laney> slangasek: don't know, sorry, I didn't chase it down
[08:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: maffilter (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.2.1+dfsg-1build1 => 1.2.1+dfsg-1build2] (no packageset)
[08:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: physamp (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.0.3-1 => 1.0.3-1build1] (no packageset)
[08:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: maven-javadoc-plugin (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.0.0-3 => 3.0.0-3] (no packageset)
[08:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted maven-javadoc-plugin [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.0.0-3]
[08:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted physamp [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.3-1build1]
[08:03] <Laney> oh, you found it, ok
[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted maffilter [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.2.1+dfsg-1build2]
[08:05] <Laney> slangasek: ah, cdimage, no I guess mid-air collision
[08:07] <Laney> slangasek: I checked http://releases.ubuntu.com/artful/ before updating and it said .1 already
[08:07] <slangasek> ah, well then :)
[08:08] <Laney> oh, you're here, hi
[08:08]  * Laney expected replies in many hours :P
[08:09] <slangasek> :)
[08:11] <Laney> 67 emails @ubuntu.com
[08:11] <Laney> guess IS haven't deleted that stuck instance yet ...
[08:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: maven-javadoc-plugin (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.0.0-3 => 3.0.0-4] (no packageset)
[08:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted maven-javadoc-plugin [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.0.0-4]
[08:16] <jbicha> slangasek: you're probably better off uploading the remaining bpp packages from the Debian git repos to get the 2.4 versions
[08:17] <slangasek> jbicha: that sounds like work.  I was just attempting no-change rebuilds because I saw the transition was started (why?)
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: vala (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.40.2-1 => 0.40.3-1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[08:18] <jbicha> the whole bpp thing is a mess, hopefully it's getting a bit better, Debian bug 890400
[08:18] <ubot5`> Debian bug 890400 in libbpp-core3 "libbpp-core3: ABI change without soname chenge" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/890400
[08:19] <slangasek> hmm but you synced the new upstream version rather than merging just a fix to debian/control?
[08:20] <jbicha> I think the fix was the new upstream series
[08:22] <jbicha> libbpp-core 2.3.2-1 was already stuck in bionic-proposed before I synced the 2.4 series
[08:22] <slangasek> ok
[08:23] <slangasek> otoh wasn't it stuck because the autopkgtests were broken, because the revdeps needed a rebuild?
[08:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: golang-go-dbus (bionic-proposed/universe) [1~bzr20150203-0ubuntu1 => 1~bzr20150203-0ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[08:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted golang-go-dbus [source] (bionic-proposed) [1~bzr20150203-0ubuntu2]
[08:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: moonshot-trust-router (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.4.1-1build1 => 1.4.1-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[08:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted moonshot-trust-router [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.4.1-1ubuntu1]
[08:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: globus-gridftp-server (bionic-proposed/universe) [12.4-1build1 => 12.5-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[08:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted globus-gridftp-server [sync] (bionic-proposed) [12.5-1]
[08:40] <doko> slangasek: what is the regression in http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r/ruby-fakeweb/bionic/armhf ?
[08:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nginx (bionic-proposed/main) [1.13.6-2ubuntu2 => 1.13.10-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[08:41] <slangasek> doko: 1.3.0+git20131202.48208f9+dfsg-3 is badtested; if it's the same failure we should probably update the hint version?
[08:42] <doko> slangasek: asking because the only passing test doesn''t have a log
[08:43] <slangasek> doko: ah. that's because wrong links are generated from logs of tests that were run during a previous release
[08:43] <doko> old run: 88 runs, 207 assertions, 20 failures, 54 errors, 0 skips
[08:44] <doko> new run: 192 tests, 296 assertions, 11 failures, 0 errors, 0 pendings, 0 omissions, 0 notifications
[08:44] <slangasek> yeah, the new package is much closer to passing. I'll hint it.
[08:53] <acheronuk> slangasek: I'm just seeing what changes I can pull from kio-extras in debian, given that they are behind us in version. then I will test build what I get
[08:54] <doko> slangasek: mvo claims a strange systemd setup to be the cause of the snapd autopkg test failure (on #snappy)
[09:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kio-extras (bionic-proposed/universe) [4:17.12.3-0ubuntu1 => 4:17.12.3-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu)
[09:24] <sil2100> doko: could you point me to the snapd failure if you have it handy?
[09:25] <doko> sil2100: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/snapd/bionic/i386
 doko: I doubt its a real issue, this works fine in our GCE environment, we see close to 100% success there (sometimes network related failures). I will check with Laney.
 doko, Laney an interessting observation is that they all (the recent ones) die in "+ journalctl --sync\n\n<kill-timeout reached>". makes me wonder if something is wrong with the systemd setup on these instance
[09:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mosquitto (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.4.15-1 => 1.4.15-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[09:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mosquitto [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.4.15-2]
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gdb (bionic-proposed/main) [8.1-0ubuntu2 => 8.1-0ubuntu3] (core)
[10:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gdb [source] (bionic-proposed) [8.1-0ubuntu3]
[10:14] <Laney> anyone have any particular opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libzip/+bug/1674057 ?
[10:14] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1674057 in libzip (Ubuntu) "[FFe] upgrade libzip to version 1.5.0" [Wishlist,New]
[10:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: binutils (bionic-proposed/main) [2.30-14ubuntu2 => 2.30-15ubuntu1] (core)
[10:23] <doko> Laney: given that we have a two year old version in the archive ... why not?
[10:25] <Laney> because the new version might have bugs, it's late in the cycle, and it's a transition
[10:29] <darkxst> Laney, it also switches to proven SSL code
[10:30] <darkxst> upstream have been very responsive in my dealings with them
[10:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted binutils [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.30-15ubuntu1]
[10:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted synfig [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.2.1-0ubuntu4]
[10:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nginx [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.13.10-1ubuntu1]
[10:31] <Laney> darkxst: yes I know, I'm asking what people thing, not judging
[10:31] <Laney> think
[10:32] <Laney> doko asked "why not?" and I answered that question
[10:34] <darkxst> ok
[10:40] <acheronuk> Laney: would be nice for better zip support in ark, but I we have been building using libarchive for a few releases now and have had no real screams of anguish from users
[10:40] <acheronuk> *but we
[10:50] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, jbicha did you break somewhere virtualbox on guest for bionic? https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/17623
[10:50] <LocutusOfBorg> I see "Apr  7 09:00:35 bionic org.gnome.Shell.desktop[1214]: /usr/bin/gnome-shell: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmutter-2.so.0: undefined symbol: glFramebufferTexture2D"
[10:51] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, I think there is an upstream bug for that somewhere
[10:51] <Laney> darkxst: probably grabbing a silo and uploading everything into that would be good
[10:51] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg: I admit nothing :)
[10:54] <LocutusOfBorg> I hope somebody will fix that soon, at least before release :/
[10:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sssd (bionic-proposed/main) [1.16.0-5ubuntu2 => 1.16.1-1ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[10:57] <darkxst> Laney, sure, will do, what was the link to the CI-train again?
[10:58] <darkxst> not used it in a while ;)
[11:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: vagrant-lxc (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.2.1-3ubuntu1 => 1.4.0-1] (ubuntu-cloud) (sync)
[11:03] <apw> Laney, as it is removing a non-standard crypto implentation that sounds like a fair plus to me
[11:03] <apw> darkxst, did i suggest you asked rat-liff about this?  did that happen?  this was on the assumption they might be strongly +1 on that basis
[11:03] <Laney> darkxst: bileto.u.c
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted language-selector [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.187]
[11:15] <darkxst> apw, I think you might have mentioned it and i didnt follow up on that
[11:17] <darkxst> ratliff, can you take a look at bug 1674057
[11:17] <ubot5`> bug 1674057 in libzip (Ubuntu) "[FFe] upgrade libzip to version 1.5.0" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674057
[11:18] <Laney> it's not actually in main tho
[11:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: base-files (bionic-proposed/main) [10ubuntu1 => 10.1ubuntu1] (core)
[11:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: yard (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.9.12-1ubuntu3 => 0.9.12-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[11:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted yard [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.9.12-2]
[11:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted vagrant-lxc [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.4.0-1]
[11:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: update-notifier (bionic-proposed/main) [3.189 => 3.190] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[11:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pam [source] (artful-proposed) [1.1.8-3.2ubuntu3.1]
[11:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pam [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.1.8-3.2ubuntu2.1]
[11:47] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: I use VirtualBox all the time, bionic guest on bionic host still works fine here
[11:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: usb-creator (bionic-proposed/main) [0.3.4 => 0.3.5] (ubuntu-desktop)
[11:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ibus [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.5.11-1ubuntu3~xenial1]
[11:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ibus (xenial-proposed/main) [1.5.11-1ubuntu2 => 1.5.11-1ubuntu2.1] (input-methods, kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-system-service (bionic-proposed/main) [0.3 => 0.3.1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[11:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-system-service [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.3.1]
[11:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted usb-creator [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.3.5]
[11:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted update-notifier [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.190]
[11:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ibus [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.5.11-1ubuntu2.1]
[11:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [4.15.0-1004.4] (kernel)
[12:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1004.4]
[12:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: buildbot (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.1.1-1 => 1.1.1-2] (no packageset)
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted buildbot [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.1-2]
[12:19] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks jbicha, maybe some not so common configuration
[12:20] <jbicha> maybe different version of virtualbox or guest drivers?
[12:20] <LocutusOfBorg> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+question/665636
[12:21] <LocutusOfBorg> this refers to something old
[12:21] <LocutusOfBorg> but quoting vbox-dev irc channel "Hi, if I enable 3D in ubuntu 18.04 guest (on macos 10.13 host), I get the following error on bootup so that the login screen doesn't appear, just a black screen."
[12:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libtemplate-perl (bionic-proposed/main) [2.24-1.2build5 => 2.27-1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (bionic-proposed/main) [1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu5 => 1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu6] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[12:39] <cpaelzer> Hi Release Team - for quite a few days I was collecting and testing qemu fixes.
[12:40] <cpaelzer> It is now in Bionic unapproved and I wanted to ask to accept this soon if that would not crash with the image building
[12:40] <cpaelzer> See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=qemu
[12:41] <cpaelzer> The reason I poll more than the usual "waitin until you get to it" is that one of the fixes should really not be a day-0 SRU but in-release pocket
[12:41] <cpaelzer> therefore and since murphy is an idiot surely hitting something on dep8 test or so I'd ask to check and accept it soon
[12:41] <cpaelzer> I'll poll later again if no one found the time
[12:41] <cpaelzer> thanks in advance
[12:42] <cpaelzer> TL;DR - @release team - please accept new qemu into bionic-proposed
[12:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected qemu [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:2.5+dfsg-5ubuntu10.25]
[12:47] <cpaelzer> thank for x-proposed as well, but I assume that was the SRU Team
[12:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dtv-scan-tables [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0+git20171226.07b18ec-1]
[12:47] <cpaelzer> so should I ask for x-proposed to get b- ? :-)
[12:48] <Laney> the queue's not that big; I should think qemu will get progressed quite soon
[12:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted partman-lvm [sync] (bionic-proposed) [123]
[12:52] <cpaelzer> sil2100: I think your reject only send me the first line
[12:52] <cpaelzer> sil2100: but that means the essential part is missing
[12:52] <cpaelzer> even in the mail I only got "What is the reason that the previous security update"
[12:53] <cpaelzer> I assume something followed that half sentence that I could address, but ?
[12:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted yorick [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.2.04+dfsg1-9]
[12:54] <cpaelzer> the former security update is released =.24 and my upload did not revert or skip the former sec update (it is quite normal a.25 on top of .24)
[12:54] <cpaelzer> sil2100: so please let me know what the reason was here, so that I can address your needs
[12:57] <apw> cpaelzer, did you look in the bug, as if it was rejected by the review tools i believe it puts that in the bug too
[12:58] <cpaelzer> apw: I found it - sil2100 realized it was cut and posted the full text in the bug
[12:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bubblewrap [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.2.1-1]
[12:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libtemplate-perl [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.27-1]
[13:02] <sil2100> cpaelzer: yeah, sorry about it, finger-error
[13:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted network-manager-pptp [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.2.6-1]
[13:03] <cpaelzer> sil2100: I foudn it in the bug, but I don't follow
[13:03] <cpaelzer> sil2100: .24 to .25 is
[13:03] <cpaelzer>  changelog                                              |   12
[13:03] <cpaelzer>  patches/series                                         |    2
[13:03] <cpaelzer>  patches/ubuntu/lp-1723904-sprs-backport.patch          |  634 +++++++++++++++++
[13:03] <cpaelzer>  patches/ubuntu/lp-1723914-ppc64-set-msr-register.patch |   38 +
[13:03] <cpaelzer>  4 files changed, 686 insertions(+)
[13:03] <cpaelzer> that is the two bugs for the SRU 1 patch each and 1 line in d/p/series
[13:03] <cpaelzer> + changelog
[13:03] <cpaelzer> nothing else
[13:03] <sil2100> So the debdiff that was generated by LP was removing the two CVE patches and commenting them out in the debian/patches/series file
[13:04] <sil2100> Let me fetch the package and see if that's really how it looked in the package
[13:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted devhelp [sync] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.1-1]
[13:04] <cpaelzer> sil2100: yeah please, if anything is odd by me I want to learn what it was
[13:04] <cpaelzer> sil2100: and if not lets sort it out and I can requeue for your ack instead then
[13:06] <cpaelzer> sil2100: IMHO it should be https://git.launchpad.net/~paelzer/ubuntu/+source/qemu/log/?h=ubuntu/xenial-devel
[13:06] <sil2100> cpaelzer: just so you know what I was talking about, the debdiff from LP: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/363323677/qemu_1%3A2.5+dfsg-5ubuntu10.23_1%3A2.5+dfsg-5ubuntu10.25.diff.gz
[13:06]  * cpaelzer is reading
[13:06] <sil2100> cpaelzer: if you check debian/patches/series, you'll see something strange happened
[13:06]  * sil2100 downloads the source
[13:06] <cpaelzer> sil2100: this is a debdiff against the -2 version
[13:07] <cpaelzer> sil2100: .23 never existed in real life
[13:07] <cpaelzer> sil2100: .22 was a security update
[13:07] <cpaelzer> .23 was a security update
[13:07] <cpaelzer> we found a bug in .23 while in proposed
[13:07] <sil2100> Ok, I think I know what's up
[13:07] <cpaelzer> .24 fixes that up
[13:08] <cpaelzer> .24 is what is released now
[13:08] <sil2100> cpaelzer: could you re-upload?
[13:08] <cpaelzer> sure, just a sec
[13:08] <sil2100> Actually I can just re-upload it now
[13:08] <cpaelzer> as you prefer
[13:08] <cpaelzer> I have the cmdline ready
[13:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rsyslog (bionic-proposed/main) [8.32.0-1ubuntu1 => 8.32.0-1ubuntu2] (core)
[13:09] <cpaelzer> you just stopped me hitting enter
[13:09] <sil2100> Ok, so you had it handy too, please proceed!
[13:09] <cpaelzer> uploaded
[13:10] <cpaelzer> sil2100: and now showing up int the queue again for me
[13:10] <cpaelzer> warning - the diff LP creates is again against .23 (for whatever reason)
[13:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (xenial-proposed/main) [1:2.5+dfsg-5ubuntu10.24 => 1:2.5+dfsg-5ubuntu10.25] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[13:10] <apw> now that would explain a lot ...
[13:11] <cpaelzer> and with .23 never existing it is quite reasonable that this diff made the least sense
[13:11]  * cpaelzer is double checking his changes file and rmadison
[13:12] <cpaelzer> no .24 is really the oen listed everywhere https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/qemu
[13:12] <sil2100> That's all good, the mistake here was on my part - I read the changes wrongly
[13:12] <cpaelzer> ok, thanks for sorting it out with me so quickly
[13:13] <sil2100> I read it in reverse
[13:13] <cpaelzer> to finish this as FYI .23 never made it further than -proposed
[13:13] <sil2100> Yeah, this I know, I checked the bug and the package itself, this part was clear
[13:14] <sil2100> What I though happened was that the security regression update got reverted, but in fact no, it was just appearing in the diff as expected
[13:14] <cpaelzer> ok
[13:15] <cpaelzer> And since this was way too much text in here I feel obliged to ask again @Release team to ack qemu currently in bionic-unapproved :-)
[13:15] <sil2100> cpaelzer: I can take care of that too ;p
[13:15] <cpaelzer> I'm here in case this one looks odd as well :-)
[13:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: groovy (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.4.14-1 => 2.4.15-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[13:16] <cpaelzer> TL;DR changes in there that are not allowed as 0-day-SRU but have to be on -release pocket
[13:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted groovy [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.4.15-1]
[13:19] <sil2100> cpaelzer: not a blocker I think, but is it common for changelog entries to have links to private bugs?
[13:19] <sil2100> cpaelzer: since LP: #1704312 seems to be privateish
[13:19] <ubot5`> Error: Launchpad bug 1704312 could not be found
[13:19] <sil2100> I have access, but I guess other people might get sad ;)
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:2.5+dfsg-5ubuntu10.25]
[13:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: 183 entries have been added or removed
[13:25] <cpaelzer> sil2100: it is not yet opened, but eventually will no more be provate
[13:25] <cpaelzer> sil2100: private
[13:25] <sil2100> ACK ;)
[13:26] <cpaelzer> sil2100: and yes, I even link to those (even if they stay private)
[13:26]  * cpaelzer looks for a policy on this to adapt ...
[13:26] <cpaelzer> this was opened when the feature was still secret - therefore the private on this particular case
[13:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu6]
[13:46] <sil2100> I just don't really know myself, I would expect all bugs mentioned in public uploads to be public, but as said I don't consider that a blocker as I don't really know if there's any policy for that
[13:47] <sil2100> At least not for devel, for SRUs they have to be public
[13:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rsyslog (bionic-proposed/main) [8.32.0-1ubuntu1 => 8.32.0-1ubuntu3] (core)
[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntukylin-theme [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.7.6]
[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ukui-panel [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.3-0ubuntu1]
[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ukwm [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.8-0ubuntu1]
[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ukui-media [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.2-0ubuntu1]
[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ukui-settings-daemon [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.6-0ubuntu1]
[13:59] <acheronuk> sil2100: will that packagset update show soon, or not until tomorrow?
[14:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apt (trusty-proposed/main) [1.0.1ubuntu2.17 => 1.0.1ubuntu2.18] (core)
[14:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted vala [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.40.3-1]
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: networkd-dispatcher (bionic-proposed/primary) [1.7-0ubuntu1]
[14:06] <acheronuk> sil2100: ok. seems I can upload things I wanted now even through the online list has not update yet. thanks :)
[14:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mm-common (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.9.11-2 => 0.9.12-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[14:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mm-common [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.9.12-1]
[14:27] <sil2100> acheronuk: yeah, it doesn't refresh super often
[14:27] <sil2100> acheronuk: ok, good! yw
[14:28] <Laney> acheronuk: you can use edit-acl from lp:ubuntu-archive-tools to query that in realtime
[14:29] <acheronuk> Laney: cheers. handy to know :)
[14:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zfs-linux (bionic-proposed/main) [0.7.5-1ubuntu13 => 0.7.5-1ubuntu14] (core)
[14:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zfs-linux [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.7.5-1ubuntu14]
[14:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-meta (bionic-proposed/main) [1.414 => 1.415] (core)
[15:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted networkd-dispatcher [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.7-0ubuntu1]
[15:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pluma (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.20.1-0ubuntu1 => 1.20.1-2ubuntu1] (ubuntu-mate, ubuntukylin)
[15:11] <doko> Laney: do armhf autopkg testers need some attention?
[15:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: networkd-dispatcher [amd64] (bionic-proposed/none) [1.7-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[15:15] <Laney> possibly
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted networkd-dispatcher [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [1.7-0ubuntu1]
[15:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kdelibs4support (bionic-proposed/universe) [5.44.0-0ubuntu1 => 5.44.0-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu)
[15:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: cxlflash (bionic-proposed/primary) [5.0.2669-0ubuntu1]
[15:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-session (bionic-proposed/main) [3.28.0-0ubuntu3 => 3.28.0-0ubuntu4] (ubuntu-desktop)
[16:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: poppler (bionic-proposed/main) [0.62.0-1ubuntu1 => 0.62.0-2ubuntu1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[16:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pkgbinarymangler (bionic-proposed/main) [135 => 136] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[16:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: virtualbox (bionic-proposed/multiverse) [5.2.8-dfsg-5 => 5.2.8-dfsg-6] (ubuntu-cloud) (sync)
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libcommons-compress-java (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.13-1 => 1.13-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libcommons-compress-java [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.13-2]
[17:05] <doko> stgraber, slangasek: please update the hint for vagrant-lxc. same failure as before
[17:09] <stgraber> doko: no idea who maintains this thing but it's not something the LXC/LXD team cares about or supports in any way. I'm on vacation this week so if I have any spare time to look at it it'd be next week
[17:09] <slangasek> jbicha: is one of these versions of yorick going to fix the autopkgtests and not require hinting?
[17:10] <doko> stgraber: you spend more time typing that than fixing it and just replying "ok". but maybe you're typing as fast as you are speaking ;p
[17:13] <stgraber> doko: well, I have no idea what that package is or what it does, so I don't think it'd be something I can fix in 30s :)
[17:13] <stgraber> doko: unless you consider me running remove-package as a fix :)
[17:14] <slangasek> doko: hint updated
[17:15] <slangasek> stgraber: this was a release-team-oriented request, perhaps he misread tumbleweed's file as yours, no implication of package ownership
[17:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kubuntu-settings (bionic-proposed/universe) [1:18.04ubuntu10 => 1:18.04ubuntu11] (kubuntu)
[17:31] <acheronuk> slangasek: if you have time, could you perhaps take a look at LP: #1762479
[17:31] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1762479 in kdeconnect (Ubuntu Bionic) "[FFe] KdeConnect 1.3.0 for Bionic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762479
[17:31] <acheronuk> thanks
[17:36] <slangasek> acheronuk: FFe approved.  Historically, flavors were allowed latitude in self-managing FFes for packages that were core parts of their image and that only they had seeded; perhaps we should discuss (but not just at this moment) getting back to that state, so that we don't need to be a bottleneck for you
[17:37] <acheronuk> slangasek: oh, I did not realise that. I know when kubuntu had core devs, release team, and AAs on the team, things obviously went quicker, but what you say makes sense
[17:39] <doko> xnox: I'm going to reject cxlflash
[17:39] <slangasek> acheronuk: it was instigated at a time when that was true, but not implicitly tied to the flavor leads having those roles
[17:39] <acheronuk> case in point, I may have another one for kstars later, if I can get the devs to give up a human readable changelog
[17:39] <doko> xnox: src/build/install/resources/license/* looks like it's non-free. or do you want to have that in multiverse?
[17:40] <acheronuk> right. I see. lets discuss that for next time around (18.10) then
[17:41] <slangasek> doko: why are you directing that comment to xnox? wasn't sil2100 working on cxlflash?
[17:42] <doko> ahh, ok
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected cxlflash [source] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.2669-0ubuntu1]
[17:46] <doko> and email him about it
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kdeconnect (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.2.1-0ubuntu2 => 1.3.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[17:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pylint-django (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.9.0-2 => 0.9.4-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:53] <doko> ginggs: could you have a look at pandas? ftbfs on arm64 and s390x
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pylint-django [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.9.4-1]
[18:00] <ginggs> doko: is removing 0.22.0-2 from proposed and uploading 0.20.3-11 (which seemed to build everywhere) an option?
[18:02] <slangasek> ginggs: 0.20.3-11 was previously in -proposed and at the time it ftbfs everywhere in Ubuntu; would that no longer be the case? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pandas/0.20.3-11
[18:08] <ginggs> testing it my PPA now... but just wanted to know if that was an option
[18:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: maxima (bionic-proposed/universe) [5.41.0-2 => 5.41.0-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[18:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted maxima [sync] (bionic-proposed) [5.41.0-3]
[18:12] <doko> slangasek: your python-cdo change isn't forwarded to debian
[18:13] <slangasek> doko: ok
[18:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pylint (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.8.1-1 => 1.8.3-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pylint [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.8.3-1]
[18:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pkgbinarymangler [source] (bionic-proposed) [136]
[18:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pyserial (bionic-proposed/main) [3.4-1 => 3.4-2] (edubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu-server) (sync)
[18:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: elfutils (bionic-proposed/main) [0.170-0.3 => 0.170-0.4] (core) (sync)
[18:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted elfutils [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.170-0.4]
[18:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pyserial [sync] (bionic-proposed) [3.4-2]
[18:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: etl (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.2.1-0ubuntu1 => 1.2.1-0.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[18:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted etl [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.2.1-0.1]
[19:07] <ginggs> it looks like pandas 0.20.3-11 is still going to FTBFS everywhere :( I will have a look at 0.22.0-2 tomorrow
[19:29] <jbicha> slangasek: no idea about yorick, maybe :|
[19:39] <doko> slangasek: please badtest ruby-pkg-config/1.2.9-1. the autopkg test fails because it has some -I include flags twice. no idea how to fix that. but that's something which doesn't hurt
[19:44] <jbicha> ok, I see that the new yorick version didn't pass its Ubuntu autopkgtests either :(
[19:50] <slangasek> jbicha: this was my point, yes :)
[19:50] <slangasek> doko: looking
[19:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: software-properties (bionic-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[19:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cups (bionic-proposed/main) [2.2.7-1ubuntu1 => 2.2.7-1ubuntu2] (core)
[19:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kio-extras [source] (bionic-proposed) [4:17.12.3-0ubuntu2]
[19:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rsyslog [source] (bionic-proposed) [8.32.0-1ubuntu2]
[19:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rsyslog [source] (bionic-proposed) [8.32.0-1ubuntu3]
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-7-cross (bionic-proposed/main) [20ubuntu1 => 20ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[20:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-oslo.versionedobjects (artful-proposed/main) [1.26.0-0ubuntu1 => 1.26.0-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu, openstack, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[20:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-oslo.versionedobjects (bionic-proposed/main) [1.31.2-0ubuntu1 => 1.31.2-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu, openstack, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[20:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: buildbot (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.1.1-2 => 1.1.1-3] (no packageset)
[20:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted buildbot [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.1-3]
[20:22] <infinity> tsimonq2: Looks like you got a bunch of concensus before posting.  Excellent.
[20:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-7-cross [sync] (bionic-proposed) [20ubuntu2]
[20:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-oslo.versionedobjects [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.31.2-0ubuntu2]
[20:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-oslo.versionedobjects (xenial-proposed/main) [1.8.0-1 => 1.8.0-1ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[20:28] <flocculant> infinity: did you notice my ping re the additional software tool leaving conf file behind when removing nvidia? bug 1761593
[20:28] <ubot5`> bug 1761593 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Uninstall left nouveau blacklisted" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761593
[20:28] <flocculant> thought that it might be prudent to flag that
[20:32] <tsimonq2> infinity: I did, yeahp
[20:33] <infinity> flocculant: I'm not sure reassigning that from nvidia-graphics to software-properties makes sense.
[20:33] <infinity> flocculant: If a package's unpurged conffiles cause the system to misbehave, the package is at fault, not the user who removed instead of purging.
[20:35] <flocculant> ok - made sense to me at the time
[20:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted base-files [source] (bionic-proposed) [10.1ubuntu1]
[20:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-meta [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.415]
[20:36] <flocculant> but I had just installed/reinstalled a bunch of times in different methods - so possibly losing the plot a bit ;)
[20:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted virtualbox [sync] (bionic-proposed) [5.2.8-dfsg-6]
[20:37] <flocculant> regardless of which package - I thought I'd best let someone in here know about it
[20:37] <tsimonq2> slangasek: You hit the nail on the head with what I was insinuating wrt the whole "let's improve our automated testing" part of the email.
[20:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ruby-gnome2 (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.2.3-2 => 3.2.4-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[20:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-boxes (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.27.92-1 => 3.28.1-1] (desktop-extra) (sync)
[20:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ruby-gnome2 [sync] (bionic-proposed) [3.2.4-1]
[20:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: aseba (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.6.0-2 => 1.6.0-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted aseba [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.6.0-3]
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sblim-sfcb (bionic-proposed/multiverse) [1.4.9-0ubuntu3 => 1.4.9-0ubuntu4] (no packageset)
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: partman-md (bionic-proposed/main) [85 => 86] (core) (sync)
[20:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sblim-sfcb [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.4.9-0ubuntu4]
[20:48] <flocculant> infinity: also I guess I didn't look deeply enough at what happened in 17.10 there - I just checked what softwre-properties did there - and it removed the conf file
[21:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: appstream-glib (xenial-proposed/main) [0.5.13-1ubuntu5 => 0.5.13-1ubuntu6] (desktop-core)
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sblim-sfcb (bionic-proposed/multiverse) [1.4.9-0ubuntu3 => 1.4.9-0ubuntu5] (no packageset)
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sblim-sfcb [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.4.9-0ubuntu5]
[21:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sssd [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.16.1-1ubuntu1]
[21:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: budgie-desktop-environment (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.9.7 => 0.9.8] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[21:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: budgie-extras (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.4.3-0ubuntu1 => 0.4.4-0ubuntu1] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[21:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ruby-gollum-lib (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.2.1+debian-1 => 4.2.7-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[21:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ruby-gollum-lib [sync] (bionic-proposed) [4.2.7-1]
[21:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: hyphen-ru (bionic-proposed/main) [20030310-1ubuntu2 => 20030310-1ubuntu3] (personal-gunnarhj, ubuntu-desktop)
[22:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: myspell-hr (bionic-proposed/main) [20060617-2.4 => 20060617-2.4ubuntu1] (personal-gunnarhj, ubuntu-desktop)
[22:17] <doko> this is fun, even gsl and maxima transitioned now \o/
[22:22] <slangasek> doko: reran ruby-pkg-config autopkgtest against release pocket and confirmed it's broken there also; hint added
[22:23] <doko> now that's ruby-concurrent left on armhf ...
[22:27] <slangasek> why oh why did someone make redis build on i386
[22:28] <nacc> lol
[22:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pluma [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.20.1-2ubuntu1]
[22:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted software-properties [source] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[22:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ruby-delayed-job (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.0.6-2ubuntu1 => 4.1.4-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[22:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ruby-delayed-job [sync] (bionic-proposed) [4.1.4-1]
[22:47] <tsimonq2> infinity: Was any progress made on that Ubiquity bug?
[22:48] <infinity> tsimonq2: Steve has an MP that I need to revisit because over the weekend, I had a thought that maybe the fix was correct, but the placement was not.  And need to verify that.
[22:48] <infinity> Also, "correct", in that I still don't understand *why* this is happening, and *why* it's only on lubuntu.
[22:48] <tsimonq2> OK.
[22:48] <infinity> Which annoys me.
[23:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: jellyfish (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.2.8-3 => 2.2.8-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[23:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted jellyfish [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.2.8-3]
[23:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pdbg (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.0-1 => 1.0-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pdbg [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.0-1ubuntu1]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pdbg [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.0-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: unity (bionic-proposed/universe) [7.5.0+18.04.20180404-0ubuntu2 => 7.5.0+18.04.20180409-0ubuntu1] (no packageset) (sync)
[23:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted unity [sync] (bionic-proposed) [7.5.0+18.04.20180409-0ubuntu1]
[23:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-getting-started-docs (bionic-proposed/main) [3.28.0+git20180331-0ubuntu1 => 3.28.1-0ubuntu1] (personal-gunnarhj, ubuntu-desktop)
[23:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nautic (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.5-3 => 1.5-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[23:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nautic [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.5-4]
[23:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libwx-scintilla-perl (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.39-3build2 => 0.39-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[23:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libwx-scintilla-perl [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.39-4]
[23:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-user-docs (bionic-proposed/main) [3.28.0+git20180331-0ubuntu1 => 3.28.1-0ubuntu1] (personal-gunnarhj, ubuntu-desktop)
[23:55] <slangasek> doko: I'm not sure, but I think the tpm2-tss armhf FTBFS may be a toolchain bug; trying to step through with gdb, and test/unit/tcti-device.c:164 is never executed


[15:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry.
[15:00] <barry> hello everyone and welcome to this week's ameu reviewers meeting.  who's here today?
[15:00] <sinzui> me
[15:00] <beuno> me
[15:00] <gmb> me
[15:00] <bac> me
[15:01] <mars> me
[15:01] <adeuring> me
[15:01] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:01] <abentley1> moo
[15:01] <flacoste> me
[15:02]  * mars was thinking of 'moo', but chicken'd out
[15:02] <mars> cluck cluck
[15:02] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[15:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:02] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:02] <barry>  * Getting graphs in place before rolling out features (way before) - beuno
[15:02] <barry>  * Merge proposal bugs
[15:02] <barry>    * 245257 - 5 (diffs/bundles)
[15:02] <barry>    * 202000 - 3 (complete diffs)
[15:02] <barry>    * 300462 - 2 (better follow up diffs)
[15:03] <barry>    * 297547 - 2 (CC someone via email)
[15:03] <barry>    * 295156 - 1 (one mail on merge proposals)
[15:03] <barry>    * 297640 - 1 (quote comments in web ui)
[15:03] <barry>    * 297669 - 1 (Approve a mp via email)
[15:03] <barry>    * 301836 - 1 (dashboard - difficult to figure out what to do)
[15:03] <barry>    * 264905 - 1 (access via launchpadlib)
[15:03] <barry>  * If there's time, the old boring script
[15:03] <barry>    * Next meeting
[15:03] <barry>    * Action items
[15:03] <rockstar> me
[15:03] <barry>    * Queue status
[15:03] <barry>    * Mentoring update
[15:03] <barry>      * al-maisan looking for a mentor
[15:03] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Getting graphs in place before rolling out features (way before) - beuno
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Getting graphs in place before rolling out features (way before) - beuno
[15:03] <barry> beuno: the floor is yours
[15:03] <beuno> hello hello
[15:03] <beuno> so, I sent out an email to the list about this
[15:04] <beuno> and since everyone seemed on board with the idea
[15:04] <beuno> I'd like to formalize it somehow for the reviews
[15:04] <beuno> the main idea is to have enough information beforehand being collected, to be able to track the impact of the feature/change
[15:04] <danilos> me (late)
[15:05] <jtv1> me too
[15:05] <abentley> beuno: I don't really get it.  What features do we graph, and how do we know what we care about?
[15:06] <danilos> I wonder more about how much overhead this introduces to our development process
[15:06] <bac> beuno: like abentley i'm a little confused and would benefit from a fleshed-out example.
[15:07] <beuno> so, if you're going to add diffs to merge proposals, make sure we have a graph on how many merge proposals we have per day
[15:07] <beuno> maybe how many comments per merge proposal
[15:07] <beuno> and that we we can measure what kind of impact the feature had
[15:07] <beuno> is it making users use the feature more?
[15:07] <beuno> are they commenting less?
[15:08] <beuno> basically enough information to be able to interpret them
[15:08] <barry> beuno: i have no idea how to create graphs.  i know how to collect data i might be interested in in my db tables tho
[15:08] <barry> beuno: are we basically talking about making sure we're collecting interesting usage data for our new features, or is there more to that?
[15:08] <mars> abentley, a good example of a back-fill graph would the the 'Review type' feature.  Do people ever set the review type?  How often?
[15:09] <flacoste> barry:  i think it's adding cricket graph
[15:09] <beuno> barry, it's just opening an RT ticket with the sql query to be ran every day
[15:09] <kiko-afk> hey there
[15:09] <kiko-afk> can you guys ask martin through email
[15:09] <jtv1> kiko-afk, you're here!
[15:09] <kiko-afk> or next century
[15:09] <kiko-afk> kthxbye
[15:09]  * beuno closes laptop
[15:10] <barry> okay!  i guess we'll continue that discussion on the ml
[15:10] <mars> now *that* was a drive-by
[15:10] <gmb> From now on let it be known:
[15:10] <gmb> kiko is beuno's mother
[15:10] <rockstar> Ha!
[15:10] <barry> now that they're gone, it's time to party!
[15:10] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Merge proposal bugs
[15:10] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Merge proposal bugs
[15:11] <barry> thanks everyone who sent me their feedback.  here are the totals so far:
[15:11] <barry>    * 245257 - 5 (diffs/bundles)
[15:11] <barry>    * 202000 - 3 (complete diffs)
[15:11] <barry>    * 300462 - 2 (better follow up diffs)
[15:11] <barry>    * 297547 - 2 (CC someone via email)
[15:11] <barry>    * 295156 - 1 (one mail on merge proposals)
[15:11] <barry>    * 297640 - 1 (quote comments in web ui)
[15:11] <abentley> beuno: I am skepical that we'll know the right things to graph before we land the feature.  I am skeptical that it will be physically possible to create the graph before we land the feature.
[15:11] <barry>    * 297669 - 1 (Approve a mp via email)
[15:11] <barry>    * 301836 - 1 (dashboard - difficult to figure out what to do)
[15:11] <barry>    * 264905 - 1 (access via launchpadlib)
[15:11] <barry> the first number is the bug number, second is the # of people who named that bug, followed by a brief summary
[15:11] <bac> bug301836 += 1
[15:12] <barry> bac: i guess make that 2 :)
[15:12] <barry> it's clear to me that 245257 is our top priority
[15:12] <barry> 202000 and 300462 are closely related
[15:12] <danilos> my idea about 297669 is similar to what 301836 will provide (i.e. if we finally start using the merge-proposal status and set it as "Approved" instead of just voting, we'd be able to see what is there that still needs to be reviewed)
[15:12] <barry> does anybody have any addition comments, and then i'd like to get abentley and rockstar 's feedback
[15:13] <rockstar> barry, I know MOST of those are being worked on in some form or another.
[15:14] <danilos> rockstar: ok, so they'll be done by next week? ;)
[15:14]  * danilos runs and hides
[15:14] <rockstar> danilos, well, for some of them, yes.
[15:14] <barry> rockstar: i'm off for thanksgiving weekend, so if you could land those my monday, that would be great kthxbye
[15:14] <barry> :)
[15:14] <rockstar> barry, but I need turkey too!
[15:15] <barry> abentley: clearly 245257 is our #1 request.  any word on that?
[15:15] <flacoste> barry: 300462 +1 (i didn't vote on my bug)
[15:15] <abentley> barry: The general case will take a while, because we need a job processing system to accomplish it.
[15:15] <barry> rockstar: http://markmail.org/message/bve73p3qumsij3he
[15:16] <barry> flacoste: thanks, i'll up the tally on that one
[15:16] <abentley> barry: And that was blocked by sabdfl until quite recently
[15:16] <barry> abentley: ack
[15:17] <abentley> barry: I am currently working on support for merge directives.  That will be able to use the diff from the merge directive.
[15:17] <barry> abentley: that.  will.   rock.
[15:18] <barry> abentley, rockstar do you think the team will find this list helpful?
[15:18] <rockstar> barry, I know I do.
[15:18] <abentley> barry: Not really.  We know all this stuff.
[15:18] <rockstar> The bugs at the top I knew are important, but the ones farther down are helpful in figuring out which bugs tagged code-review are most important.
[15:19] <rockstar> Because there are probably 30 bugs, and it's good to know which 10 of those are most important to the rest of the lp team.
[15:19] <abentley> barry: Code review by email was intended to support attachments.  We'll need to investigate why they don't.
[15:19] <barry> cool, what say i update the tallies after this meeting and send it on to the list.  maybe someone on the team can provide a feedback on a rough alignment of these with your own priorities?
[15:21] <barry> abentley: thx
[15:21] <barry> BjornT: what do you think?
[15:22] <gmb> barry: BjornT's all sprinty with beuno, kiko and intellectronica.
[15:22] <gmb> So his responses might be delayed somewhat.
[15:22] <abentley> thumper is working on 295156
[15:22] <flacoste> abentley: do you know they don't, i assumed they didn't but didn't try it out
[15:22] <barry> gmb: k
[15:22] <abentley> 297669 seems reasonable and easy
[15:23] <abentley> thumper is also working on 301836
[15:23] <abentley> rockstar is working on 264905
[15:23] <barry> abentley: are the email commands documented in the help wiki?
[15:23] <abentley> barry: yes.
[15:23]  * rockstar nods
[15:23] <barry> abentley: great!
[15:24] <barry> anything else on this topic?
[15:25] <abentley> 300462 will take even longer than a general solution for 202000, because sabdfl doesn't want us to do this for every project on launchpad.
[15:25] <barry> abentley: why not?
[15:25] <abentley> Instead, there will be a script you can run in an EC2 instance.
[15:25] <abentley> barry: Resource consumption.
[15:26] <barry> ah
[15:26] <flacoste> abentley: for the record, if attachment are handled, i consider 300462 as not really worth it
[15:27] <flacoste> abentley: developer are used to and can attach the diff to the follow-up email, i though attachments weren't supported
[15:27] <abentley> 297547 is impossible, because sabdfl doesn't want to allow subscriptions to code reviews.
[15:27] <flacoste> and thumper didn't told me they were when I discuss this aspect with him and he told me to file a general bug about that aspect
[15:28] <abentley> flacoste: We intended attachments to work.  They don't.  We haven't had a chance to find out why.
[15:29] <flacoste> abentley: then fixing attachment is enough for me to consider that bug complete
[15:29] <abentley> I only verified it yesteday.
[15:29] <abentley> flacoste: Cool
[15:29] <barry> thanks everyone.  i appreciate the discussion.  i think it will make mp's really excellent to use.  moving on...
[15:30] <barry> i'm going to skip around a little bit...
[15:30] <barry> [TOPIC]    * Mentoring update
[15:30] <MootBot> New Topic:     * Mentoring update
[15:30] <barry>      * al-maisan looking for a mentor
[15:30] <barry> have we rounded up a mentor for al-maisan yet?
[15:30] <al-maisan> barry: yes
[15:30] <barry> al-maisan: excellent, who?
[15:30] <al-maisan> gmb volunteered
[15:30] <al-maisan> :)
[15:31] <barry> fantastic!  al-maisan welcome aboard.  gmb thanks!
[15:31] <al-maisan> thanks!
[15:31]  * bigjools winks at gmb and hands over the fiver
[15:31] <barry> [TOPIC]    * Action items
[15:31] <MootBot> New Topic:     * Action items
[15:31] <gmb> Heh.
[15:31] <barry>  * barry to look into techniques for eliminating back-patching of schema types (avoiding circular imports)
[15:31] <barry> i have done nothing on this yet, but i plan on looking at it over the break.  i think it will be easy
[15:32] <barry> [TOPIC] anything else?
[15:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  anything else?
[15:32] <barry> does anybody have anything not on the agenda today?
[15:32] <abentley> Yes.  When am I a reviewer?
[15:32] <abentley> OCR, I mean?
[15:32] <rockstar> :)
[15:33] <barry> abentley: ah.  what would you prefer?  i'm very happy to say we have great coverage for eu/am
[15:33] <barry> abentley: i'm also happy to move if you prefer mondays
[15:33] <rockstar> abentley, you get the Monday AsiaPac shift!  :)
[15:34] <barry> but i think we'll be doubling up no matter what we do, unless some of us move to au/nz :)
[15:34] <barry> doubling up is not a bad thing!
[15:34] <abentley> I think Mondays are best for me.  But if al-maisan and gmb are doing mondays, that doesn't make sense, does it?
[15:35] <gmb> abentley: Well, you start fairly late in our day.
[15:35] <abentley> Fridays might also work.
[15:35] <al-maisan> hmm .. different time zones
[15:35] <gmb> So it's not *that* mcuh of an overlap.
[15:35] <al-maisan> yep
[15:35] <gmb> abentley: What's your timezone?
[15:35] <abentley> On Monday, I haven't spoken to thumper for 2 days.
[15:35] <mars> gmb, same as mine
[15:35] <gmb> ...
[15:35] <barry> abentley: i'm also happy to move to another day if you really want mondays
[15:35] <gmb> mars: Which one is that?
[15:35]  * gmb has the dumb
[15:35] <mars> gmb, EST
[15:35] <gmb> Ah, okay.
[15:36] <gmb> So, abentley is al-maisan -6, gmb -5. That's not a terrible overlap.
[15:37] <barry> abentley: your call.  pick a slot
[15:37] <abentley> Okay.  I guess I didn't realize you were going off shift soon after I arrived.
[15:37] <abentley> barry: Okay, Mondays please.
[15:37] <barry> abentley: it's yours.  i'll find a time to move to
[15:37] <abentley> barry: ta
[15:38] <barry> cool.  any other topics for today?
[15:38] <barry> 5
[15:38] <abentley> barry: Is it true that we're no longer adding entries to lib/canonical/launchpad/interfaces ?
[15:39] <barry> abentley: more specific imports are preferred, yes
[15:39] <abentley> i.e. you should do "from canonical.launchpad.interfaces.branch import Branch"?
[15:39] <barry> abentley: correct
[15:40] <abentley> Okay.  What about "from canonical.launchpad.interfaces import branch"?
[15:40] <barry> abentley: i have no problem with that if it helps avoid name conflicts
[15:40] <barry> i.e. implements(branch.IBranch)
[15:41] <abentley> barry: it helps reduce the number of imports tremendously.
[15:41] <sinzui> abentley: barry: That is common practice in Zope code
[15:42] <abentley> sinzui: Also in Bazaar, though both forms are accepted.
[15:42] <barry> i think i'd like to see what that looks like if it's used more frequently.  i like the shorter names and don't mind the longer imports, but if you want to start using that style, let's see how it looks
[15:43] <abentley> Okay.
[15:43] <barry> anything else with our last 2 minutes?
[15:43] <sinzui> barry: It may be a solution to the insanely long soyuz names
[15:44] <barry> sinzui: that in itself would be enough! :)
[15:44] <bigjools> leave our long names alone!
[15:45] <barry> and with that, we're done! :)
[15:45] <sinzui> It's not the size that counts, it's what you do with it.
[15:45] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:45] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:45.
[15:45] <gmb> sinzui: Well placed last word on the log.
[15:45] <barry> thanks everyone!  for those of you in the use.  have a happy thanksgiving
[15:45] <barry> s/use/us/
[15:46] <sinzui> gmb: I was trying to get that in before barry closed the meeting
[15:46] <mars> thanks barry
[15:47] <barry> sinzui: i was counting on a risqué comment to end the meeting :)


[10:05] <pjoul> hi! have we this bug 185915 resolved? It should be done in the past (bug 40563). Can anyone test it?
[10:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185915 in ubuntu "shared folder do not install samba and nfs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185915
[10:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 40563 in gnome-system-tools "Shared folders fails to install NFS or Samba service" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40563
[10:07] <pjoul> maybe related: bug 214506
[10:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214506 in ubuntu "unable to share folders after system update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214506
[17:27] <JJUK> Hello?
[18:24] <Fussmann> Hello
[18:25] <Fussmann> anybody here?


[10:50] <munzir> Hi, I downloaded http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20060411/dapper-dvd-amd64.iso and it gave me a root prompt after this error: kernel direct mapping tables upto ffff810100000000 @ .... can't access tty; job control turned off.
[10:51] <fabbione> munzir: wrong channel and please try the new image that will be published today
[10:52] <fabbione> or file a bug in malone
[10:53] <munzir> fabbione: ok thx.
[10:53] <munzir> fabbione: why is it wrong channel, isn't that dvd contains the server edition too?
[10:54] <fabbione> because that's a kernel error
[10:54] <fabbione> and it is common to both server and desktop
[10:54] <fabbione> so you could try #ubuntu-kernel
[10:54] <fabbione> or perhaps it's just a bad burn?
[10:55] <fabbione> did you verify the md5sum of the download and the dvd with the one on the site?
[10:57] <munzir> fabbione: I didn't know there is an #ubuntu-kernel. I will check there and I did understand your point. thx
[10:58] <munzir> fabbione: for the server edition there is a default installation and a lamp installation. isn't it confusing what the difference between them?
[10:58] <fabbione> no
[10:58] <fabbione> if you know what LAMP is.. if you don't, you mostlikely don't need it
[10:59] <munzir> fabbione: the default will install what?
[10:59] <fabbione> the installation is exactly the same anyway
[10:59] <fabbione> LAMP adds Apache2 php5 and mysql
[10:59] <munzir> fabbione: so the default doesn't install apache, php5 and mysql, right?
[11:00] <fabbione> right
[11:00] <munzir> fabbione: the confusing point is the L stands for linux so it also means it won't install linux? ;)
[11:00] <fabbione> no comment
[11:02] <munzir> fabbione: ;)
[11:02] <munzir> fabbione: and what does that OEM installation means please?
[11:04] <fabbione> munzir: please these are FAQ. you can ask in #ubuntu
[11:04] <fabbione> and same as lamp, if you don't know what it means you don't need it
[11:07] <munzir> fabbione: ok thx again and sorry for any disturbance
[11:07] <fabbione> np
[12:55] <spike> eeer, is there any more robust alternative to acct/sa/sac ? from time to time I stop receiving reports I scheduled with cron, at times it crashes, but I'm pretty sure the system is fine, ie, no rootkits or anything
[12:55] <spike> only thought I could come up with is problems to deal with broken wtmp because of dead ssh connections... ie, the record isnt properly closed 'cause ssh died so I didnt logout
[12:56] <spike> it's very annoying, and but for that idea I cant really trace down the problem
[01:47] <Kolan> Hi, does anyone have experience in using a MegaRaid 105-4 controller with Ubuntu?
[03:08] <Kolan> Hi, does anyone have experience in using a MegaRaid 105-4 controller with Ubuntu?
[03:11] <neuralis> Kolan: what's the problem?
[03:12] <Kolan> I got it installed with Raid 1
[03:12] <Kolan> it seems like that the server is running quite slow
[03:13] <Kolan> I ran hdparm -tT
[03:13] <Kolan> and the buffered reading is about 1MB/s
[03:13] <Kolan> which isnt good
[03:17] <Kolan> neuralis: any idea?
[03:23] <neuralis> bad performance on a hardware raid device doesn't usually have anything to do with the operating system.
[03:25] <Kolan> neuralis: ok, well this is my first RAID1 system so Im not that experienced in it.
[03:27] <neuralis> Kolan: experience isn't really a factor here -- with hardware raid, the OS doesn't even know you're using raid.
[03:29] <Kolan> neuralis: I get an error message when booting. sda: asking for cache data failed
[03:29] <Kolan> sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[03:29] <Kolan> can this have something to do with it?=
[03:30] <neuralis> sure, but that wouldn't make reads slow.
[03:31] <neuralis> (if you had write-through set as policy on your raid controller, you'd see write performance degradation.)
[03:31] <neuralis> in your case, you can safely ignore the message.
[03:32] <neuralis> the kernel is asking the drive for caching parameters, but the request is getting intercepted by the raid card that doesn't know what to do with it, causing the problem report you're seeing.
[03:33] <allee> Kolan, neuralis: a collegue had trouble with megaraid and a Intel SRCS 16?? card.  AFAIR 2.4.30 as okay, 2.4.31 and all 2.6 kernels he tired where horrible slow.
[03:34] <allee> he found no solution and eventually gave up frustrated
[03:34] <neuralis> allee: that's possible, but surprising.
[03:35] <Nite_Hawk> heya guys, are any of you using ubuntu-server in a production environment?
[03:35] <neuralis> allee: although the transition you mentioned is the new megaraid code branch, if i remember correctly -- so the problem can be fixed by manually compiling the kernel with the old megaraid driver.
[03:35] <neuralis> Nite_Hawk: yes.
[03:35] <allee> neuralis: yeah, seems counterintuitive but happens (I've a problem that raids disk are not detected at all.  But I've to investigate more on this ...)
[03:37] <allee> neuralis: mhmm, I'll ask him.  but with all the 2.6 API changes I doubt that old megaraid will compile with 2.6
[03:37] <Nite_Hawk> neuralis: I'm an old debian guy, but at my new place of employment almost everyone are RHEL/SLES fans.  I may have a chance to introduce an ubuntu/debian solution if I play my cards right.
[03:38] <neuralis> allee: i *believe* the old megaraid module was kept in-tree, and still works. you'd have to check, though.
[03:38] <neuralis> Nite_Hawk: sounds good.
[03:38] <neuralis> Nite_Hawk: let us know if you have any questions, certainly.
[03:40] <Nite_Hawk> neuralis: Cool.  One question, do you know if there are any problems doing TSM backups?
[03:40] <neuralis> Nite_Hawk: i'm not a tivoli user; wouldn't know, sorry.
[03:41] <allee> Nite_Hawk: I use TSM client on dapper.  Works fine afaics, but I had not to recover much yet on dapper
[03:42] <allee> Nite_Hawk: you need sun java with TSM.  dsmj does not the free one
[03:42] <Nite_Hawk> oh, was ubuntu-server hit with the installer plaintext password bug that was present in breezy?
[03:42] <allee> dsmj does not like that is
[03:43] <Nite_Hawk> allee: ok, that's probably fine.  You can build a sun jvm easily enough using java-package right?
[03:44] <allee> neuralis: thx.  I'll forward the info to him.  2.6.15 has at least CONFIG_MEGARAID_LEGACY=m
[03:44] <neuralis> allee: yeah, i thought that was still there.
[03:44] <allee> Nite_Hawk: yes.  I've run in some problem but at least for dsmj they are not critical ;)
[03:46] <allee> Nite_Hawk: something about mimetype registrationa and java policy stuff failed because install script tries to update them below /etc/
[03:46] <Nite_Hawk> allee: hrm...
[03:46] <allee> Nite_Hawk: normal user can't and of course those changes would not find their way into the deb
[03:46] <allee> if run by root
[03:47] <allee> Nite_Hawk: try.  maybe they fixed it in the last ~ 3 months ;)
[03:48] <Nite_Hawk> allee: yeah, I may try to install ubuntu-server on one of my test machines.
[03:49] <allee> Nite_Hawk: ah, one addition.  that was on i386.  TSM on amd64 is still on TODO.
[03:50] <allee> Nite_Hawk: up to now all closed source stuff refused to work on amd64 because they still expect some i386 apps. I keep my fingers crossed TSM is different.  Pah!  Dreamer! :)
[03:51] <Nite_Hawk> hrm... It won't affect my machines, but possibly some others around here.
[03:51] <Nite_Hawk> Good to know though, thanks! :)
[03:54] <allee> Nite_Hawk: yeah, I hope that amd64-has-no-32bit-libs will not eventually kill kubuntu usage on my cluster.  Unfortunately some (stupid?) apps need more that 4 GB of mmaped address space :(
[04:00] <Nite_Hawk> allee: Yeah, I think it's going to be a major uphill battle around here.
[04:00] <neuralis> Nite_Hawk: what are the reasons that rhel/sles are preferred at the moment? support?
[04:01] <Nite_Hawk> allee: We run CentOS right now on the premise that Redhat offers support contracts for basically the same thing, and even though we don't buy the support, it must be good if they "offer" it.
[04:01] <Nite_Hawk> On some of the larger systems we actually run SLES or RHEL for the support contract (and presumed better compatability with things like TSM).
[04:02] <Nite_Hawk> A couple of the admins are pretty rabidly anti-debian.
[04:03] <allee> :)
[04:06] <Nite_Hawk> allee: I'd rather be running suse than redhat, but a number of people just left that is going to cause a lot of confusion/power vacuum, so I'm trying to decide what I can get away with. ;)
[04:06] <allee> neuralis: FWIW here, we need oracle server due to 3rd party software.  So sles for this.
[04:07] <neuralis> allee: we've got ubuntu certified for DB2; i'm hoping oracle isn't too far off.
[04:07] <Nite_Hawk> neuralis: actually, oracle server support would be a big consideration for us on some (though not all) of our systems too.
[04:08] <neuralis> Nite_Hawk: canonical should have support options on par with redhat for dapper.
[04:08] <allee> Nite_Hawk: fwiw: there were not big stress tests but at least oracle client runs on amd64
[04:08] <neuralis> Nite_Hawk: that won't solve pacify the rabid anti-debian crowd, of course. what's their problem with debian?
[04:10] <neuralis> that's "solve or pacify".
[04:13] <h3sp4wn> If it is just to run oracle what is wrong with solaris x86 ? If you need support sun's is second to none (anything is better than rpm)
[04:28] <allee> Nite_Hawk: I've created some i386 debs for TSM ba client.  Much better than alien deb, nevertheless there are still quite somethings that could be enhanced, aka Works for me quality
[04:46] <Nite_Hawk> neuralis: they haven't been willing to go into it, and I haven't pushed them very hard yet.
[04:47] <neuralis> Nite_Hawk: reluctance and/or inertia doesn't equate with being rabidly anti-debian. which is it? (the ofrmer is obviously a lot easier to deal with.)
[04:48] <Nite_Hawk> neuralis: Well, it's "There's no way we will run debian on these machines and I'm not going to talk about it"
[04:48] <Nite_Hawk> or more "We will run debian over my dead body"
[04:48] <neuralis> Nite_Hawk: i see. buy a gun? :)
[04:50] <Nite_Hawk> neuralis: Still, I may be able to sneak ubuntu-server in if I can present some advantages and they keep refusing to say why they don't like it.
[04:51] <Nite_Hawk> I'm trying to guess what their arguments will be before hand (TSM compat, support, etc) so that I can be ready for them. ;)
[04:51] <Nite_Hawk> And also so that I don't present it too early (IE, oracle should be supported soon, but isn't quite yet)
[04:52] <Nite_Hawk> I'd rather wait 6 months if it means I have a much stronger argument.
[04:53] <neuralis> Nite_Hawk: i don't know if there are any official negotiations with oracle, actually.
[04:54] <Nite_Hawk> neuralis: Hrm... ok.  btw, do you have any kind of rough idea what the costs of a support contract will be like through canonical?  SLES seems to be quite a bit more expensive than RHEL.
[04:56] <Nite_Hawk> gotta run to a meeting, bbl
[04:57] <neuralis> Nite_Hawk: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions/paidsupport
[05:46] <nicola_> hallo, I'm planning to install ubuntu 5.10 on a HP Proliant DL380 G4, I've tried to find some certification for the hardware but I could'nt has anybody installed ubuntu on such hardware? Some problems? NIC or other?
[05:47] <fabbione> we do have DL380 at the Ubuntu Datacenter and we do run hmm.. Ubuntu on them.. i guess ;)
[05:50] <nicola_> Ok, that makes me very happy :)
[06:41] <Nite_Hawk> neuralis: any advantages to Canonical paid support vs other distros?
[06:42] <neuralis> Nite_Hawk: you'd want to ask<EMAIL_ADDRESS>likely.
[06:42] <Nite_Hawk> thanks!
[06:43] <neuralis> sure.
[06:43] <intelnux> does ubuntu require anything other then telling bios not to worry for headless operation? or are there some tweeks that need to be made to the system?
[06:52] <neuralis> intelnux: no tweaks, it'll work fine.
[06:53] <intelnux> thanks
[10:54] <nawty> gday matey's :)
[10:58] <Nite_Hawk> ahoy
[10:59] <nawty> :)
[10:59] <nawty> Nite_Hawk: any ideas why ubuntu-server isn't on the lists.ubuntu.com front page?
[11:01] <Nite_Hawk> nawty: huh... no idea. :)
[11:03] <fabbione> a bug in mailman
[11:04] <fabbione> it's not exported for some reasons to the web interface
[11:04] <fabbione> but it's there
[11:07] <spike> do you know of any alternative to acct to get info about commands ran/resource usage per user?
[11:07] <spike> acct isnt being very stable, and I've read of quite a few cases where it misbehaves
[11:08] <spike> I know of other couple accounting patches, wondering if there's any alternative to them
[11:09] <spike> actually what I want to do is monitoring, not billing, so I'm fine with not so high precision
[11:09] <spike> but I cant really think of anything else but accounting patches/sw to extract info like those mentioned
[11:10] <Nite_Hawk> spike: there's http://oss.sgi.com/projects/csa/, but I'm not sure it'd be very useful to you over acct.
[11:10] <nawty> spike: no ideas here. I'm an unfortunate single use system person.
[11:11] <nawty> fabbione: logged it in launchpad ? ;)
[11:11] <Nite_Hawk> spike: I actually am the primary developer on the accounting system for a super computer institute.
[11:11] <nawty> Nite_Hawk: too many toys then ;)
[11:13] <Nite_Hawk> nawty: tell me about it.  Each supercomputer vendor uses their own queueing systems and job schedulars.  IBM's AIX systems don't even provide ascii logs.
[11:13] <spike> Nite_Hawk: I know csa, it was one of the two of the "couple accounting patches" I mentioned above
[11:13] <Nite_Hawk> spike: yeah, I figured as much.
[11:13] <spike> Nite_Hawk: have you actually used it in production?
[11:14] <spike> I played with it but never had a chance to see it even used in production...
[11:14] <Nite_Hawk> spike: Nope.  I don't think it will actually do anything for me over acct.
[11:14] <nawty> Nite_Hawk: don't mention that evil world there :P
[11:14] <nawty> s/world/word/
[11:14] <nawty> s/there/here/
[11:14] <nawty> damn, it's too late.
[11:15] <spike> Nite_Hawk: sounds like you've never had a proble with acct...
[11:15] <Nite_Hawk> spike: Well, it's not so much that I've never had a problem with it, as I've got about 20 fires that are 10 times as big to worry about until I finish rewriting our accounting system. ;)
[11:18] <Nite_Hawk> Right now I'm a lot more concerned with getting accurate data from our job queues.
[11:19] <Nite_Hawk> btw, when I said AIX systems, I specifically meant load leveler, not AIX itself. ;)
[11:22] <nawty> Nite_Hawk: aah, :)
[11:46] <Plug> Hi all.  The Dapper Flight 5 CD detects my Areca SATA-RAID controller and installs to it, but seems the installed kernel doesn't support the controller and can't find the disk?  Anyone got around this?
[11:50] <allee> Plug: check it device name during install and on boot are the same (been there ;). If they are, add the missing driver(s) to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules and dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-<vers>
[11:51] <allee> Plug: and last but not least open a lauchpad bug (I assume pkg hw-detect)
[11:56] <Plug> I will have to see if I can use the installer CD to get a shell on the installed FS :)