[02:49] <srwood> #kernal
[15:59] <stokachu> o/
[16:00] <cjwatson> brains
[16:00]  * slangasek waves
[16:01] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[16:01]  * stgraber waves
[16:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[16:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[16:02] <slangasek> jodh stokachu stgraber bdmurray ogra doko xnox barry slangasek ev cjwatson
[16:02] <jodh> * blueprints:
[16:02] <jodh>   - foundations-r-upstart-stateful-re-exec: DONE
[16:02] <jodh>   - foundations-r-upstart-roadmap: NOPROGRESS
[16:02] <jodh>   - foundations-r-arm-ubiquity: NOPROGRESS (btw - who assigned 'implement reboot in the oem-config' to me?)
[16:02] <jodh>   - foundations-r-upstart-user-session-enhancements:
[16:02] <jodh>     - Updated spec updates for shutdown and event prefixing.
[16:02] <jodh>     - Reworked workitems plan.
[16:02] <jodh>     - Reviewed and merged lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-session-socket.
[16:02] <jodh>     - Reviewed and merged lp:~xnox/upstart/user-log-dir.
[16:02] <jodh>     - Reviewed lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-make-event-bridge-usable.
[16:03] <jodh>     - Worked on removal of existing sessions code.
[16:03] <jodh>     - Worked on adding list-sessions.
[16:03] <jodh>     - Worked on setenv+getenv branch.
[16:03] <jodh> * upstart
[16:03] <jodh>     - Tweaked lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/bug-881885 after comments from cjwatson.
[16:03] <jodh>     - Uploaded fix for bug 1096531.
[16:03] <jodh>     - discussions with kernel team re kernel image 'boot hang' (which
[16:03] <jodh>       looks to be a conflation of bug 1096531 and a kernel issue
[16:03] <jodh>       resulting in no console output).
[16:03] <jodh> * misc:
[16:03] <jodh>     - FOSDEM admin.
[16:03] <jodh> 🁭
[16:03] <slangasek> hum, "reboot in oem-config" doesn't sound familiar to me
[16:03] <jodh>
[16:03] <stokachu> bug 1023069 - Havent had a chance to dig into this one but wanted to know UE has come across this in testing
[16:03] <stokachu> bug 1078103 - Some of the partners listed are in this meeting, wanted to get some feedback on what we were doing for providing acroread across arch's and distro's.
[16:03] <stokachu> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698329 - working on getting sosreport packaged and included into Debian
[16:03] <stokachu> currently working on this merge: https://merges.ubuntu.com/a/aptitude/REPORT
[16:03] <cjwatson> 881885> I approved that modulo conflicts
[16:03] <stokachu> (done)
[16:04] <stgraber> Feature work:
[16:04] <stgraber>  - Upstart (BLUEPRINT: foundations-r-upstart-user-session-enhancements)
[16:04] <stgraber>   - Some more work on the session socket code, now merged upstream.
[16:04] <stgraber>   - Worked a bit on the event bridge to make it work with the session socket and handle pid files properly.
[16:04]  * xnox vaguelly recollects info about it. jodh: it may be related to hostname changes (e.g. reboot to update hostname everywhere)
[16:04] <stgraber>   - Planning the next steps (jobs, packaging, landing).
[16:04] <stgraber>  - Container (BLUEPRINT: servercloud-r-lxc)
[16:04] <stgraber>   - Code reviews.
[16:04] <stgraber>   - Planning 0.9~alpha3.
[16:04] <stgraber>  - Networking (BLUEPRINT: foundations-r-networking)
[16:04] <stgraber>   - Merged isc-dhcp-server and fixed a few bugs in the process (bug 1071928, bug 1088682 and bug 930962)
[16:04] <stgraber>   - Merged resolvconf and fixed a few bugs in the process (bug 1085756 and bug 1085862)
[16:04] <stgraber>   - Prepared experimental version of isc-dhcp-server with Infiniband support, waiting for test results before pushing to the archive.
[16:04] <stgraber> Other work:
[16:04] <stgraber>  - Installer
[16:04] <stgraber>   - SRUed fix for casper bug 984276
[16:04] <stgraber>  - Other
[16:04] <stgraber>   - Helped debug some qemu/libvirt interactions (bug 1102487)
[16:04] <stgraber>   - Patch pilot on Monday
[16:04] <stgraber> TODO:
[16:04] <stgraber>  - Follow-up on state of the lxc and libseccomp MIRs.
[16:05] <stgraber>  - Try to finish any LXC feature work for this cycle (2 items left).
[16:05] <stgraber>  - Prepare some upstart user session debs with all our patches and the initial Xsession scripts and upstart jobs.
[16:05] <stgraber>  - Start the work on (BLUEPRINT: foundations-r-improving-dist-upgrades).
[16:05] <stgraber> (DONE)
[16:05] <cjwatson> stokachu: 1023069> I think that should have been a new bug rather than dogpiling on an existing one, but regardless: please get the affected user to upload a full installer syslog (they can extract it by going back to the main menu and selecting "save debug logs", or by running 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb' from a shell and using scp)
[16:05] <bdmurray> * blueprints
[16:06] <bdmurray> foundations-r-phased-update: I'm working on parts of this
[16:06] <stokachu> cjwatson: ok would you prefer a new bug ? ill re-expire this one and create a new one with that info
[16:06] <jodh> xnox: yes I recall discussions where we decided it would be safest to reboot, but don't remember getting assigned the workitem :)
[16:06] <cjwatson> stokachu: the business about Packages.gz being 20 bytes (i.e. gzip of an empty file) is likely a red herring since that's probably as intended on a CD
[16:06] <cjwatson> stokachu: nah, might as well continue with this now
[16:06] <cjwatson> stokachu: just for the next time :)
[16:06] <bdmurray> foundations-r-improving-dist-upgrades: no progress
[16:06] <stokachu> cjwatson: sure thing ill make sure support knows as well not to piggy back off stuff like that
[16:06] <bdmurray> foundations-r-crash-database: I'm working on a team view for errors.ubuntu.com
[16:06] <bdmurray> foundations-r-sru-queue-velocity: no progress
[16:07] <bdmurray> other:
[16:07] <bdmurray> submitted and merged a merge proposal for the subscriber packages view on errors
[16:07] <bdmurray> reported bug 1103156 regarding most_common_problems.js and user parameter
[16:07] <cjwatson> stokachu: Yeah, sometimes it makes sense but more often than not it doesn't
[16:07] <bdmurray> posted on blog regarding source package searching on errors.ubuntu.com
[16:07] <bdmurray> discovered that the Launchpad API does not serve ETags with collections thereby making it harder to cache them
[16:07] <slangasek> stokachu: bug #1023069> xnox's reply seems definitive, this should only happen if there's a network problem?
[16:07] <bdmurray> research into update-manager phased updates support in Q
[16:07] <bdmurray> investigation into lsb-release crash - bug 1094218
[16:07] <bdmurray> investigation into bug 1096022 and upgrade test failing
[16:07] <bdmurray> investigation into wubi bug 1093819
[16:07] <bdmurray> verified P SRU of autofs5 - bug 488696
[16:07] <bdmurray> had a holiday
[16:07] <bdmurray> uploaded apport fix for bug 1100198
[16:07] <bdmurray> ⁂ done
[16:07] <cjwatson> slangasek: *should* - worth a double-check though if it's affecting a customer
[16:07] <ogra_> done:
[16:07] <ogra_>  * added preseed.cfg support to nexus7 images
[16:07] <ogra_>  * added shell script that makes auto-rotation of the nexus7 work
[16:07] <ogra_>  * fixed various gsettings issues
[16:07] <ogra_>  * updated onboard settings on the nexus7 for new features (proper docking support)
[16:07] <ogra_>  * various discussions about nexus7 work
[16:07] <ogra_>  * started the weekly nexus7 status meeting on fridays again
[16:07] <ogra_>  * hunting down IS to somehow get an arm livefs builder again
[16:07] <ogra_> todo:
[16:08] <ogra_>  * port nx7 images to xz compression (blocked on missing livefs builder)
[16:08] <ogra_>  * discuss livefs builder situation with infinity (carried over from last week, blocked on builder)
[16:08] <ogra_>  * fix plymouth vs console-setup racing somehow (likely needs cjwatson advice) to allow initrd-less booting
[16:08] <ogra_>  * port update-notifier to pkexec to fix onboard vs gksu issues
[16:08] <ogra_>  * add lux script for making the ambient light sensor work on the nexus7
[16:08] <ogra_> ..
[16:08] <doko> * blueprint cross building: should be done (there wasn't much in the blueprint i
[16:08] <doko> tself)
[16:08] <doko> * fixed the armhf and armel cross compilers (still need the armel one, because d
[16:08] <doko> pkg-cross can't handle arm biarch, and getting rid of dpkg-cross would require m
[16:08] <doko> ore work)
[16:08] <cjwatson> likely needs cjwatson staring at a wall for an hour trying to remember ...
[16:08] <doko> * looking at python3 and twisted
[16:08] <doko> * started backporting python3 cross build patches to 2.7.
[16:08] <doko> * updated GCC to the Linaro 2013-01 release.
[16:08] <doko> * updated my notebook to raring, now having the fan constantly running :-(
[16:08] <doko> (done)
[16:09] <ogra_> cjwatson, you mean the console-setup stuff ?
[16:09] <ogra_> heh
[16:09] <xnox> foundations-r-upstart-user-session-enhancements:
[16:09] <xnox> * implement review comments in the lp:~xnox/upstart/user-log-dir
[16:09] <xnox>   Approved and merged now.
[16:09] <xnox> foundations-r-arm-usb-creator-fastboot-support:
[16:09] <xnox> * Started UI and backend implementation. Usb-creator can auto-launch
[16:09] <xnox> upon plugging in a nexus7 device (with a hack), nexus7 devices
[16:09] <slangasek> stokachu: wrt bug #1078103, I thought Adobe was no longer giving us distribution rights in any event
[16:09] <xnox> appear. It doesn't yet successfully flash nexus7. Hoping to have a PPA
[16:09] <xnox> spec, setup secure-boot VM (with OVMF) to verify/fix Secure Boot
[16:09] <xnox> support in usb-creator.
[16:09] <xnox> ubiquity:
[16:10] <xnox> * Working on a couple preseeding bugs for QA (nfs & oem-config preseeds)
[16:10] <xnox> TODO:
[16:10] <xnox> * lvm2 merge to continue shipping clvm
[16:10] <xnox> * mdadm merge from experimental to bring in improved isms support.
[16:10] <xnox> ..
[16:10] <cjwatson> ogra_: yeah
[16:10] <barry> short week due to usa holiday.  bug 1100408.  bug 1077087.  bug 1077092.  bug 1102715.  bug 1102621.  reviewed lp:~mitya57/ubuntu/raring/python3-defaults/resync will approve/upload unless doko objects.  uploaded python3-whoosh to ppa for testing as xapian replacement.
[16:10] <barry> foundations-r-python3-oauth: 2 bugs fix committed; all other bugs in progress with branches having mps awaiting review (with a couple waiting for imminent new upstream release).
[16:10] <barry> foundations-r-python-versions: updated blueprint work items.
[16:11] <barry> foundations-r-python33: see above merge proposal for last remaining TODO.
[16:11] <barry> done
[16:11] <xnox> slangasek: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acroread/9.5.1-1precise1/+build/3404003 seems to part of the problem.
[16:12] <xnox> stokachu: it failed to build for amd64 in precise, which may be something we should fix or not.
[16:13] <stokachu> xnox: do we have a general consensus on if we are going to continue building acroread?
[16:13] <cjwatson> presumably we need to find out if we have continued permission to redistribute before a consensus from this team means anything
[16:13] <stokachu> do i ask legal about that?
[16:15] <slangasek> ogra_: "Somehow get an arm livefs builder again" - do we not currently have one?
[16:15] <cjwatson> I've lost track of who's responsible for partner agreements; presumably somebody with OEM in their title
[16:16] <ogra_> slangasek, not since four days, nope
[16:16] <slangasek> ogra_: is there an RT for this?
[16:16] <slangasek> ogra_: (please cc: me to it)
[16:16] <ogra_> slangasek, seems there is some kind of machine moving going on in the DC
[16:16] <cjwatson> or actually maybe ISV
[16:16] <ogra_> no, RT, i am constantly in #is though, in conversation with ChrisS
[16:17] <ogra_> he said there would be hope that everything is connected up again later today
[16:18] <slangasek> doko: wrt cross-compilation, the main deliverable that we need here is high-level documentation in wiki.ubuntu.com telling people how to use everything; does that exist already?
[16:18] <cjwatson> slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrossBuilding shouldn't be too bad now
[16:19] <doko> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrossBuilding
[16:19] <slangasek> xnox: mdadm> did you see my bug assignment to you wrt mdadm's degraded mode initramfs handling?
[16:19] <doko> right, maybe I should extend this how to use it with just dpkg-buildpackage
[16:20] <cjwatson> stokachu: My best guess after some trawling through the directory and the wiki would be to try David Duffey
[16:20] <stokachu> cjwatson: ok thanks ill shoot him an email and get some confirmation on that
[16:20] <xnox> slangasek: now, i did.
[16:21] <slangasek> ogra_: please open an RT for this issue (and in general, for issues like this that are taking longer than they should) so that IS knows it's a priority - not just the person you're talking with in #is at the time
[16:21] <ogra_> k
[16:21] <slangasek> stokachu: please cc: me on your mail to dduffey
[16:22] <stokachu> slangasek: rgr that
[16:22] <xnox> slangasek: will include it in the upcomming upload.
[16:22] <slangasek> ta
[16:22] <slangasek>  * short week, US holiday this Monday
[16:22] <slangasek>  * pulled into a number of meetings last week at the client sprint
[16:22] <slangasek>  * ongoing discussions with folks around Kylin
[16:22] <slangasek>  * tried to reproduce bug #1094218 (and failed), though there is strong confirmation it's specific to TeamViewer
[16:22] <slangasek>  * fielding various mountall, plymouth bug reports; mountall once again is too fast (bug #1103047)
[16:22] <slangasek>  * head-scratching over bug #1100247
[16:22] <slangasek>  * double dose of SRU processing last week, as the queue is rather long
[16:22] <slangasek>  * FOSDEM planning
[16:22] <slangasek>  * TODO this week:
[16:22] <slangasek>   * hunt down gnu-efi regression affecting shim
[16:22] <slangasek>   * systemd packaging
[16:22] <slangasek>  * BP status:
[16:22] <slangasek>   * foundations-r-secure-boot: in progress er the above
[16:22] <slangasek>   * foundations-r-improve-cross-compilation: stalled; will look at this next month
[16:22] <slangasek>   * foundations-r-opt-installation: no progress to report; will start on this next month
[16:22] <slangasek> (done)
[16:22] <slangasek> bdmurray: did you have any more luck reproducing bug #1094218 than I did?
[16:22] <slangasek> I'm not seeing anything in teamviewer that explains why this would break
[16:23] <ev> Week of January 17th
[16:23] <ev> - Continued work on the prodstack error tracker deployment.
[16:23] <ev>   - I've now got it deployed and working end-to-end in Amazon EC2, including
[16:23] <ev>     using S3 to store core dumps. \o/
[16:23] <ev>   - Provided set up instructions in the RT and at
[16:23] <ev>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker/Deployment#Prodstack
[16:23] <ev>   - Started looking into getting the existing Nagios hooks implemented.
[16:23] <bdmurray> slangasek: no, I'm working on reproducing that dist upgrade bug
[16:23] <slangasek> ok
[16:23] <ev> - Finishing up my apport branch to group system-internal error reports with the
[16:23] <ev>   next desktop application error report. Just need to fix a few more failing
[16:23] <ev>   tests (that expect lone system reports to produce a UI) and it will be ready
[16:23] <ev>   for review.
[16:23] <ev> - Meeting with Andy and Stefan to discuss how we can better handle error
[16:23] <ev>   reports from the kernel.
[16:23] <ev>   - They're going to write an in-kernel replacement for kerneloops.
[16:23] <ev>   - We'll create something similar to the failed to suspend mechanism for
[16:23] <ev>     reporting when the system has hard locked, somewhat replacing the
[16:23] <ev>     /var/crash/vmcore approach.
[16:23] <ev> - Started investigating how we can translate Breakpad-generated error reports
[16:23] <ev>   into Apport reports:
[16:23] <ev>   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker/BreakpadApplicationSupport
[16:23] <ev> - Code review.
[16:23] <ev> Blueprints:
[16:23] <ev> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-crash-database
[16:23] <ev> - Work with the kernel team now done, with the remaining tasks handed over to them.
[16:23] <ev> - Errors from Debconf dialogs and graphical application hangs still sitting in
[16:23] <ev>   the nearly-done state, waiting for me to find enough time to finish them off.
[16:23] <ev> - Will likely defer the Hadoop-dependent "What's interesting about this
[16:23] <ev>   problem?" task, as IS refuses to touch my Hadoop deployment instructions
[16:24] <ev>   until we get production on prodstack, thus fixing the retracer scaling
[16:24] <ev>   problem.
[16:24] <ev> - Will work on the automatic error reporting mechanism soon, as it's required
[16:24] <ev>   for a number of work items (juju, landscape, etc).
[16:24] <ev> - I'll be completing all the nagios tasks as I implement that piece of the
[16:24] <ev>   prodstack deployment.
[16:24] <ev> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-updates-from-crash-reports
[16:24] <ev> - Will hold off on this until the tail-end of the cycle, time permitting.
[16:24] <ev> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-fix-ddebs
[16:24] <ev> - Blocked on infinity (?) teaching the librarian to publish ddebs.
[16:24] <ev> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-metrics
[16:24] <ev> - Deferred.
[16:24] <ev> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-bucketing-improvements
[16:24] <ev> - Plan in place. I need to run this by the security team as there are
[16:24] <ev>   outstanding questions as to how we retain enough privileges to drop to the
[16:24] <ev>   user experiencing the error to run the additional hooks.
[16:24] <ev> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-phased-updates
[16:24] <ev> - Brian is mostly handling this.
[16:24] <ev> (done)
[16:24] <cjwatson> Feature progress this week:
[16:24] <cjwatson>  foundations-r-finish-archive-reorg: debmirror patch accepted upstream.  Launchpad patch to add Package-Set fields in progress.  Discussed detailed requirements with security team (earlier this year).  Next step: discuss detailed requirements for Supported field with PES/GSS/etc.
[16:24] <cjwatson>  foundations-r-grub-integration-testing: Got hold of upstream's megatest scripts, which may come in handy here.
[16:24] <cjwatson>  foundations-r-phased-updates: Launchpad database patch deployed.  Launchpad code patch pushed and awaiting review.
[16:24] <cjwatson>  foundations-r-secure-boot: Sufficiently done for 12.04.2.  Next step: look into using -signed preferentially, for 13.04 and 12.04.3.
[16:24] <cjwatson>  foundations-r-upload-intermediary: Still figuring out how to hook in autopkgtest.  This didn't quite make it to the top of my list this week, but I live in hope.
[16:24] <cjwatson> 12.04.2:
[16:24] <cjwatson>  Significant progress on oversizedness.  Should be fine as soon as I figure out why my attempt at language pack removal apparently didn't stick (just asked webops to tweak apt preferences).
[16:24] <cjwatson>  Almost everything else looks good; just sorting out the last few necessary bug-fixes.
[16:25] <cjwatson> Installer:
[16:25] <cjwatson>  Figured out bug 1065281 (I think).  Awaiting confirmation before I finish the backports for 12.04.2.
[16:25] <cjwatson>  Refactored automatic mode a bit.
[16:25] <cjwatson>  Committed fix for bug 1057485 for 12.04.2.
[16:25] <cjwatson> GRUB:
[16:25] <cjwatson>  Reduced delta against Debian a bit.
[16:25] <cjwatson>  Continued back-burner work on nested function removal.
[16:25] <cjwatson>  Sorted out problems with containers a bit more comprehensively (bug 1060404).
[16:25] <cjwatson> Archive admin / Launchpad:
[16:25] <cjwatson>  Got fed up with developers having to use debuild -v when stacking multiple SRUs; fixed sru-report to handle this, and filed bug 1102870 for the remaining Launchpad work.  I hope to get the latter fixed next week.
[16:25] <cjwatson>  Trying to narrow down https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-January/036374.html.
[16:25] <cjwatson> On holiday tomorrow morning and all of Friday.
[16:25] <cjwatson> ..
[16:26] <slangasek> any more questions over the above?
[16:27] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[16:28] <slangasek> bdmurray: anything new popping up?
[16:29] <bdmurray> slangasek: bug 1102499 but I see it was assigned already
[16:29] <bdmurray> bug 1101326 is that for us or the desktop team?
[16:32] <slangasek> bdmurray: we can ask seb128 if he has someone who can look at consolekit; otherwise ours
[16:32] <bdmurray> slangasek: is that we as in me?
[16:34] <bdmurray> I've been reviewing some of our past bugs and bug 1013681 could still use fixing.
[16:34] <slangasek> bdmurray: we as in you> yes please :)
[16:34] <bdmurray> cjwatson: you'd mentioned a server side change...
[16:35] <doko> I really hope that the eglibc update still will get into 12.04.2 (can't see infinity online here)
[16:36] <cjwatson> Oh, err, I'd sort of lost track of that one
[16:37] <cjwatson> IIRC it's a static file to be put somewhere?  If somebody provides the file and tells me where to install it ...
[16:38] <cjwatson> Oh, you can't, it's a signed file.  Instructions for doing so, then
[16:38] <cjwatson> Happy to be a substitute webop for this purpose ;)
[16:42] <bdmurray> slangasek: and regarding bug 1094218 did we want to get it assigned?  It is still the #1 error on errors.ubuntu.com. (Oh, the vast majority of the reports are from 12.04)
[16:43] <slangasek> bdmurray: well, I haven't been able to reproduce it, and it appears to be caused by a third-party deb even if we can't figure out how
[16:43] <slangasek> bdmurray: so it's not at the top of the priority list IMHO
[16:44] <ev> nonsense, all problems should be prioritised based on their rank on errors.ubuntu.com! ;)
[16:44] <slangasek> heh
[16:44] <xnox> despite being caused by a third-party deb, I don't expect lsb_release to ever crash like that.
[16:44] <slangasek> I don't either, and I also can't /get/ it to crash like that
[16:44] <xnox> it should return an error exit code and possibly some output.
[16:45] <slangasek> as cjwatson noted last week, it looks like something has reaped our child for us, which doesn't make sense
[16:47] <stgraber> I've actually introduced a bug like that in python3-lxc once as I had a generic child reaper in the python module, so anything import python3-lxc was getting their child reaped for them and trickering similar errors
[16:48] <slangasek> stgraber: well, teamviewer doesn't install any python code at all so shouldn't be the cause of generic child reapers... if you want to take a look, though, feel free
[16:48] <slangasek> bdmurray: anything else?
[16:48] <bdmurray> bug 869825
[16:49] <slangasek> wontfix> stgraber lives in Canada now
[16:49] <ev> hahaha
[16:49] <stgraber> that's actually wrong, fr_CH is in there, just not where you'd think it'd be, it's under German (Switzerland) IIRC
[16:49]  * slangasek blinks
[16:50] <bdmurray> right it says that in the description
[16:50] <bdmurray> ' Swiss-french people now have to go to "German (Switzerland)" and then choose Switzerland French layout in the right pane.'
[16:53] <xnox> well, we took keyboard layouts from debian.... sure we can have an ubuntu patch for this.
[16:54] <slangasek> is this straightforward to fix?
[16:54] <stgraber> it's probably straightforward to fix once we find where the bug is and console-setup usually gives me headaches :)
[16:54]  * ogra_ joins the console-setup whining
[16:55] <xnox> reading wikipedia the only difference between switzerland german/french/italian/romanish/liechtenstein/luxembourg keyboard layout is which accented characters get the preferencial access without dead keys.
[16:55] <ogra_> *whine*
[16:55] <xnox> so i'm pretty sure that any swiss computer user can use any swiss keyboard ;-)
[16:55] <xnox> layout.
[16:56] <stgraber> xnox: yep, the physical layout is identical between fr_CH and de_CH, it's just that you get direct é and à with the french layout and ö and ü with the german layout
[16:56]  * xnox ponders if we can display same layout in multiple categories....
[16:56] <stgraber> xnox: well, they'll be a bit annoyed having to press shift a lot more often than usual, but yeah, it won't prevent them from installing and changing the layout later
[16:57] <cjwatson> I question whether that's in console-setup
[16:57] <slangasek> so does anyone want to take this bug?
[16:57] <cjwatson> Because most of the keyboard layout/variant categorisation stuff comes more directly from xkb-data
[16:57] <cjwatson> (well, possibly it might involve a console-setup rebuild)
[16:57] <cjwatson> slangasek: I'll take it and hate myself
[16:58] <slangasek> done ;)
[16:58] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:58] <slangasek> anything else?
[16:58] <bdmurray> who is the right person to review a software-center merge proposal?
[16:58] <xnox> mterry?!
[16:58] <xnox> or mvo....
[16:59] <xnox> depends which bits of software center.
[16:59] <stgraber> bdmurray: I'd have said mvo but that's probably not true anymore, hold on a sec, I'll find a good fallback :)
[16:59] <barry> probably not mvo ;)
[16:59] <barry> alsina
[16:59] <ogra_> and depends if you can catch mvo online
[16:59] <barry> (i think)
[16:59] <xnox> bdmurray: which merge proposal?
[16:59] <bdmurray> https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/software-center/bug-1095823/+merge/143971
[17:00] <xnox> (e.g. if it's not the black magic core it may be easier )
[17:00] <bdmurray> nope its kind of silly
[17:00] <stgraber> bdmurray: bah, my usual fallback apparently no longer works for Canonical either ;)
[17:01] <ogra_> well, but that change looks rather easy :)
[17:01] <xnox> bdmurray: infinity is in the correct team membership, he  can +1 it, and then tarmac should auto land the patch =)
[17:01] <doko> barry, looks like there some extra changes, but I can't see these being committed to debian
[17:01] <xnox> barry: and you can as well =)))
[17:02] <ogra_> after all you can just trust smagoun and blame him afterwards if it failed
[17:02]  * xnox thinks he got lp permissions wrong.
[17:02] <barry> xnox: true.  i can review it but i don't feel comfortable committing it.  roberto alsina is leading the project now i think
[17:02] <xnox> barry: it's a one line typo fix.
[17:02] <barry> xnox: oh
[17:03] <bdmurray> 2 characters even
[17:03] <ogra_> -OEM_CHANNEL_DESCRIPTOR = "/var/lib/ubuntu-dist-channel"
[17:03] <ogra_> 	+OEM_CHANNEL_DESCRIPTOR = "/var/lib/ubuntu_dist_channel"
[17:03] <xnox> barry: it's OEM priority. we should be landing it and sru'ing it.
[17:03]  * xnox likes the humble "Ubuntu One Control Tower" team name.
[17:05] <barry> xnox, bdmurray approved.  i have to skip out for an errand at lunch (soon as this meeting's over), but ping me and i'll land it when i get back if no one else does
[17:05] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 23 17:05:21 2013 UTC.
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-01-23-16.01.moin.txt
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-01-23-16.01.html
[17:05] <slangasek> sold
[17:05] <barry> thanks!
[17:05] <ogra_> thanks !
[17:05] <slangasek> thanks, everyone
[17:05] <stgraber> thanks!
[17:05] <jodh> thanks
[17:06] <bdmurray> barry: thanks
[17:07] <xnox> cheers
[17:07] <ev> thanks!


[15:51] <afro> Do you know if there's any work on getting "maximizing" an app on a dual head setup use both monitors?
[15:52] <afro> BTW, I am running 13.04 so there might be something on that in 13.10 that I haven't seen.
[15:54] <afro> What I would want is basically, if you have an app crossing the border in between the monitors maximize on both screens, otherwise on the monitor that it's residing on.


[00:00] <kirika> nantax, icewm is ok but i would suggest enlightenment
[00:00] <nantax> well i would if i could
[00:00] <kirika> its very fast
[00:00] <nantax> but i cant use the synaptic
[00:00] <nantax> im geetting that malformed release file
[00:00] <kirika> apt-get install enlightenment
[00:00] <nantax> same happens when i use the main server instead of the ph one
[00:00] <kirika> or apt-gt install icewm
[00:01] <nantax> let me try
[00:01] <kirika> get*
[00:02] <nantax> Reading package lists... Done
[00:02] <nantax> Building dependency tree
[00:02] <nantax> Reading state information... Done
[00:02] <nantax> E: Couldn't find package icewm
[00:02] <nantax> nantax@xubuntu:~$
[00:03] <crimsun>      1.2.32-2ubuntu1 0
[00:03] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages
[00:03] <crimsun> you seem to have the universe component disabled.
[00:04] <kirika> that may be
[00:04] <zoredache> !pastebin
[00:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[00:05] <somerville32> kirika, That was too small to waste putting in a pastebin :P
[00:06] <nantax> okay let me check on that universe thingie
[00:06] <kirika> huh
[00:06] <kirika> what did i do
[00:07] <nantax> damn
[00:07] <nantax> when every i try to update the package list, i get those same error
[00:07] <evil_tech> if i dont return soon the alpha build killed my comp
[00:07] <zoredache> nantax: try using a different set of repositories
[00:08] <nantax> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release: Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[00:08] <nantax> im using the main server now
[00:08] <nantax> instead of the philippine one
[00:09] <nantax> *must resist temptation to boot windows*
[00:09] <HeadLong87632> don't do it!
[00:09] <HeadLong87632> stay the course man!
[00:09] <nantax> well i cant install anything
[00:09] <nantax> lol
[00:09] <nantax> is there a way to fix synaptic
[00:14] <somerville32> hmm
[00:14] <HeadLong87632> ask the magic eightball?
[00:15] <somerville32> !easysource | nantax
[00:15] <ubotu> nantax: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[00:15] <somerville32> Or take a visit to applications > system > software sources
[00:55] <evil_tech> i have returned!!
[00:56] <evil_tech> via 8.04 mwhahahaha
[00:56]  * totalwormage hides
[00:57] <evil_tech> sommerville32: so what do i need to do now?
[00:57] <evil_tech> sommerville32: and why do i have this ugly AMD logo that says Testing Use only Unsupported Hardware
[01:02] <somerville32> lmao
[01:02] <somerville32> Ok, you need to do the testing
[01:03] <evil_tech> is it in the menu somewhere?
[01:03] <somerville32> One sec
[01:03] <evil_tech> ok
[01:05] <somerville32> See https://iso.qa.stgraber.org evil_tech
[01:05] <evil_tech> ok
[01:12] <evil_tech> hmm my md5sum doesnt match
[01:14] <somerville32> md5sum for what?
[01:15] <evil_tech> the cd image
[01:15] <somerville32> Come to #xubuntu-devel
[01:15] <evil_tech> ok
[01:18] <annihilus> Hello, i am having a problem installing tzdata, its telling me subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[01:19] <annihilus> does anyone have any ideas or experience with this, google has proved unfruitful
[01:54] <evil_tech> well i didnt hose my normal xubuntu partition
[02:00] <somerville32> :)
[02:38] <nantax> thanks obuto
[02:38] <nantax> your tip on rebuilding the source.lst worked perfectly
[02:38] <nantax> it may be kinda late but thanks nonetheless, im here at work and had to go fix some windows pc that is missing the start menu. lol
[02:40] <somerville32> :)
[02:45] <nantax> okay im going to try some new window manager
[02:45] <nantax> which is better icewm or enlightenment?
[02:46] <ere4si> I think icewm
[02:46] <nantax> i tried fluxbox but it was kinda weird
[02:47] <ere4si> lots of screenshots for icewm on puppylinux website
[02:47] <nantax> okay im downloading it now
[02:47] <nantax> it just dawned on me
[02:48] <nantax> that microsoft is really after the money because of all the blind side that they have with windows, even the facial
[02:48] <nantax> why would you have to pay for softwares like tuneup ulitilies or windowblinds just to jazz up your desktop
[02:49] <ere4si> need to with macs as well
[02:49] <nantax> it should be in the users hand and we should not pay for those stuff
[02:49] <nantax> im not familiar with macs
[02:49] <ere4si> that's why open source happened :)
[02:51] <nantax> lol
[02:52] <nantax> i never appreciated buntus before because i just had the installer but no net connection
[02:52] <nantax> now its so much easier, specially with the support of the community
[02:52] <ere4si> 20000+ apps online for free :)
[02:53] <somerville32> :)
[02:53] <nantax> okay going to try out the ice ice thingie
[02:53] <nantax> brb
[02:56] <nantax> okay using icewm now
[02:56] <ere4si> it's ok?
[02:57] <nantax> win95 for the win lol
[02:57] <soldats> nantax, fluxbox is cool and so is icewm but in my opinion enlightenment is superior only because i think it looks nicer and is easier to use
[02:57] <nantax> yup
[02:57] <nantax> i think im going to try enlightenment
[02:57] <ere4si> lots of themes you can use
[02:57] <soldats> yea
[02:57] <ere4si> in icewm
[02:57] <soldats> there are really cool themes as well you can download
[02:58] <soldats> in enlightenment
[02:58] <nantax> fluxbox feels so think
[02:58] <nantax> thin*
[02:58] <nantax> icewm is too boxy
[02:58] <soldats> yea its very minimalistic
[02:58] <nantax> xfce i like but i want to try some new stuff
[02:58] <ere4si> the default isn't always the best - try some themes first
[02:59] <nantax> i am trying them now
[02:59] <soldats> i usually switch between xfce and e17 a few times a week
[02:59] <nantax> i like icewm but i dont like the font, its too big
[02:59] <nantax> i want thin fonts, where to i set them?
[02:59] <soldats> there should be a font config setting
[03:00] <ere4si> global fonts?
[03:00] <soldats> i only used ice fror like literally 1 minute
[03:00] <nantax> the fonts on the menu
[03:00] <nantax> it looks like big fixedsys.fon
[03:00] <nantax> in windows
[03:00] <soldats> you usually have to configure the settings yourself
[03:00] <nantax> so where can i select the fonts?
[03:01] <soldats> id suggest the icewm homepage for specific help on the subject
[03:01] <nantax> okay
[03:01] <nantax> im just going to fool around here
[03:01] <soldats> not to be a jerk or anything
[03:01] <nantax> no im not a jerk
[03:01] <nantax> lol
[03:02] <nantax> i dont even post much, i have made some progress in xubuntu and i only made 3 posts in ubuntuforums
[03:02] <ere4si> well done :)
[03:03] <ere4si> try the icewm homepage - screenshots - themes - configs etc
[03:03] <soldats> oops
[03:03] <nantax> what is the command for synaptic i cant find synaptic in icewm
[03:03] <nantax> so i dont have to go back to xfce
[03:04] <nantax> and where are programs stored?
[03:04] <soldats> try gksudo synaptic
[03:04] <nantax> like firefox and pidgin
[03:04] <nantax> so if i want to make a launcher, i can point to the file
[03:04] <soldats> there all in the same path directories but the desktop layout is different
[03:04] <nantax> yep, but where do you find them?
[03:04] <nantax> like in windows, most of the programs are in c:/program files
[03:05] <nantax> where to downloaded programs go in *buntus?
[03:05] <soldats> its the same as xfce just use the file manager
[03:05] <nantax> uhuh, so where do i go from there?
[03:05] <nantax> i mean what is the path?
[03:05] <soldats> /usr/share
[03:05] <nantax> ah gotcha
[03:06] <soldats> or .<application>
[03:06] <soldats> in icewm you can still open a file manager
[03:06] <nantax> and what is that command in xterm that allows you to launch programs and return to the commandline
[03:06] <nantax> like if you type firefox or pidgin and you can type another command
[03:07] <nantax> lol
[03:07] <nantax> i tried ctrl+c in the xterm i ran pidgin from
[03:07] <nantax> and the window closed
[03:07] <nantax> cant find pidgin in the menu yet so im using the terminal
[03:08] <nantax> i think you need to type somethng before a command to run the program and return to the command prompt
[03:08] <nantax> but i dont know what it is
[03:08] <ere4si> i think it is %u
[03:08] <nantax> so its %u pidgin?
[03:09] <ere4si> i think
[03:09] <nantax> and i go back to the command prompt?
[03:09] <nantax> brb
[03:10] <nantax> nantax@xubuntu:~$ %pidgin
[03:10] <nantax> nantax@xubuntu:~$ %pidgin
[03:10] <nantax> nantax@xubuntu:~$ %pidgin
[03:10] <nantax> -bash: fg: %pidgin: no such job
[03:10] <nantax> lol
[03:11] <somerville32> ctrl+c kills it
[03:11] <nantax> yep
[03:11] <nantax> i think there something that you can do so it will return to the prompt
[03:11] <nantax> ive seen my geeky instructor do it before
[03:11] <soldats> just do pidgin &
[03:11] <nantax> okay brb again
[03:11] <soldats> "pidgin &"
[03:12] <nantax> cool, it works
[03:12] <nantax> i need to read more on this command line stuff
[03:13] <nantax> theres that bg and fg thing and kill something to kill some task
[03:13] <ere4si> nantax: know about workspaces?
[03:13] <nantax> i forgot all about them
[03:13] <nantax> [1][2][3][4]
[03:13] <nantax> but i only use 2
[03:13] <ere4si> hehe :)
[03:14] <nantax> im still not weaned from windows
[03:14] <soldats> to kill preocesses you use the "kill" command
[03:14] <nantax> but you need some number id for the process that is running right?
[03:14] <ere4si> !kill
[03:14] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[03:15] <soldats> ok well do "pgrep 'app name' "
[03:15] <ere4si> !pid
[03:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <nantax> and he showed us some commands that has grep to limit the list
[03:15] <soldats> then that gives you the process number
[03:15] <nantax> i never actually paid attention to him
[03:15] <nantax> but i am realizing that its very useful now
[03:16] <nantax> specially if your installing window managers and it does not have the menus setup yet
[03:16] <soldats> in terminal run "top" to do a text system monitor
[03:16] <soldats> to get number ids
[03:16] <soldats> as well
[03:16] <nantax> ah yeah
[03:16] <nantax> top is like task manager in windows right?
[03:17] <soldats> yea but linux has a graphic system monitor as well but in terminal it is faster
[03:17] <nantax> and sorts by cpu usage
[03:17] <nantax> and i think i can press ctrl+z to leave that process
[03:17] <nantax> if i can recall it correctly lol
[03:18] <nantax> [4]+  Stopped                 top
[03:18] <nantax> [4] means 4 running process?
[03:18] <nantax> lol
[03:18] <nantax> anyway i will learn them in time
[03:18] <soldats> be more specific
[03:18] <nantax> i pressed top, then ctrl + z
[03:18] <nantax> then top again then ctrl+z
[03:19] <nantax> [3]+
[03:19] <nantax> [4]+
[03:19] <nantax> i will try elightenement now
[03:19] <ere4si> here's an icewm howto - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/icewm
[03:19] <somerville32> fg <process number>
[03:19] <nantax> going back to xfce because i cant find synaptic
[03:19] <nantax> brb
[03:20] <soldats> in terminal do synaptic
[03:20] <nantax> ah sweet xfce :)
[03:21] <nantax> with bliss.bmp from win xp
[03:21] <soldats> if you need synaptic type it in a terminal
[03:21] <nantax> background
[03:21] <nantax> just sudo synaptic right?
[03:21] <soldats> yea
[03:21] <nantax> okay will do
[03:22] <soldats> also do a google search for "learn linux" and read tutorials
[03:22] <soldats> it will help greatly
[03:22] <nantax> i will...
[03:22] <nantax> yep, i bet it will
[03:22] <nantax> thats why im trying out the different window managers
[03:22] <nantax> so when i find one, i can start learning more
[03:22] <nantax> and that is definitely the first thing i want to learn
[03:22] <nantax> the command line
[03:23] <nantax> lol, actually the things that my instructor taught us now makes sense
[03:23] <nantax> learning linux empowers you, learning windows doesnt because it limits you with your choice
[03:24] <somerville32> :)
[03:24]  * somerville32 hugs nantax
[03:24] <soldats> very true
[03:24] <nantax> he is a linux preacher... trying to convert the class to try ubuntu, he even gave us cds
[03:24] <nantax> but i think only 2 or 3 of us actually tried it
[03:24] <soldats> ubuntu is a very good "starter" linux OS
[03:24] <nantax> god bless his soul where ever he is now
[03:25] <nantax> indeed
[03:25] <soldats> it is also good for pros as well
[03:25] <nantax> i realized that before when i tried to install it at home
[03:25] <nantax> problem is i had no net connection
[03:25] <soldats> its just that you need to be a lot more experienced to use different distros like gentoo
[03:25] <nantax> so i was not able to experience the free software fully
[03:26] <nantax> now what its connected to the net, it totally blows windows
[03:26] <nantax> our company spent a fortune buying 86 licensed copy of xp
[03:26] <soldats> ha
[03:26] <soldats> its a shame
[03:26] <nantax> now they are requesting for quotation for office xp 2003/2007
[03:26] <soldats> if only people were aware of how well it is becoming developed
[03:27] <nantax> yeah
[03:27] <soldats> at least they arent wanting vista
[03:27] <nantax> all that money could be used to upgrade the hardware
[03:27] <soldats> true
[03:27] <nantax> well the pc here is below minimun
[03:27] <nantax> below minimum standard so they really cant afford to upgrade
[03:28] <nantax> this is a sugar milling industry
[03:28] <nantax> so they have old programs (foxpro)
[03:28] <soldats> talk about shit i have a 1 gig processor and 256 mb of ram
[03:28] <nantax> just like mine
[03:28] <soldats> but in linux its still fast
[03:28] <nantax> i salvaged this pc from the junk heap
[03:28] <soldats> nice thats the best way obtain stuff
[03:29] <nantax> its still has the pencil mark defective mmother board, checked 6/25/2007
[03:29] <soldats> lol
[03:29] <nantax> managed to make it run,
[03:29] <soldats> well good job on that
[03:29] <nantax> amazing what pencil eraser can do to clean memory and video card contact
[03:30] <soldats> crazy
[03:30] <nantax> i am a casual worker in the mis/edp dpt
[03:30] <nantax> i format windows pc everyday
[03:30] <soldats> sorry i have no clue what that is
[03:30] <soldats> oh ok
[03:30] <nantax> because of all the junks they managed to put in the pc
[03:30] <soldats> haha
[03:30] <nantax> usually from the factory and engineering department
[03:30] <nantax> they like porn
[03:30] <soldats> figures
[03:30] <nantax> trojan likes porn too
[03:31] <nantax> using linux takes time to get accustomed
[03:32] <nantax> im still trying to get the hang of not having to defrag your disk
[03:32] <nantax> scan for spywares/virus
[03:32] <nantax> scan for junk registry entries
[03:32] <nantax> and stuff
[03:33] <soldats> yea its alot easier
[03:34] <soldats> well im glad youve entered into the linux community and are willing to learn
[03:35] <nantax> better than playing games
[03:35] <totalwormage> :P
[03:35] <nantax> although thats why i have win xp still at home
[03:36] <nantax> need for speed most wanted, maple story and guilty gear xx #reloaded
[03:36] <soldats> if you have a fast machine you can run a win emulator and still play games
[03:36] <nantax> and devil may cry 3 se, but other than that im all xubuntu
[03:37] <nantax> linux = peace of mind
[03:39] <nantax> okay for some strange reason, my screensaver now works
[03:40] <soldats> really???
[03:40] <nantax> i went out for a while and when i came back its working now
[03:40] <nantax> yep after installing icewm
[03:40] <soldats> mine never worked but i hate screen saver
[03:40] <nantax> i was downloading enlightenment and went out for a while
[03:40] <soldats> well thats cool it works
[03:40] <nantax> when i came back, lo and behold, the 3d accelerated restricted driver screensaver is showing
[03:41] <soldats> rad
[03:41] <nantax> i need to steal some pci video card here
[03:41] <nantax> but its all agp and pciex
[03:42] <nantax> brb going to try enlightenment
[03:42] <soldats> why steal maybe just ask for it
[03:46] <nantax> wow!!!! 1 <3 enlightenment
[03:46] <soldats> cool
[03:47] <soldats> make sure to middle click and click on the help selection
[03:47] <nantax> hahaha
[03:47] <nantax> i dont have middle click
[03:47] <nantax> my mouse has only 2 buttons
[03:47] <soldats> there is a lot of helpful hints there
[03:47] <soldats> oh well try right click
[03:47] <nantax> ah yeah , just found out
[03:47] <nantax> wow this is very nice indeed
[03:48] <soldats> it tell you how to do backrounds and such
[03:48] <soldats> and a lot of info on the icon box
[03:48] <nantax> okay now i need to change the font for pidgin and make it smaller
[03:48] <nantax> so it will go well with the enlightenment theme
[03:49] <soldats> not to be mean but id suggest sticking with what wm you prefer and playing around with it till you become comfortable with it
[03:49] <soldats> most fonts can be configured within the program itself
[03:50] <nantax> are you using pidgin?
[03:50] <soldats> i use pidgin for my aim account but i use xchat for irc
[03:52] <nantax> okay when i minimize applications where does it go?
[03:52] <soldats> to an icon box
[03:52] <nantax> in enlightenemtn
[03:53] <nantax> ah there
[03:53] <nantax> nice flipping animation
[03:53] <nantax> lol
[03:53] <soldats> you can configure it to use the app icons as well
[03:53] <nantax> the switching desktop is cool too
[03:54] <soldats> make sure to read the help section because it explain a lot of reall cool things you can do
[03:55] <nantax> okay im doing that
[03:56] <nantax> how do i open it again in case i close it?
[04:01] <soldats> open what
[04:02] <soldats> if your talking about the help box just minimize it
[04:04] <soldats> ?
[04:07] <soldats> hello
[07:14] <NullName> Hey you guys. I want to buy a Samsung 225bw 22' widescreen LCD MONITOR.  I can't find anything anywhere saying if it will work with linux.  ANy ideas???
[07:15] <TheSheep> NullName: why wouldn't it work?
[07:15] <TheSheep> NullName: you don't need any drivers or anything for a *monitor*
[07:27] <NullName> well it comes with a driver CD..which scared me.. I'd never had a problem with monitors in linux...just graphic cards.  I have an old nvidia.
[07:27] <NullName> I thought maybe LCD monitors were different
[07:27] <NullName> its new and I've only dealt with older monitors
[07:35] <TheSheep> NullName: the driver cd will only contain LCC color definitions, for when you want to have printer-perfect colors
[07:35] <TheSheep> NullName: and maybe monitor parameters for windows
[11:00] <pubo> Hi all
[11:03] <pubo> I have a problem mounting devices... I have an USB HDD, and when I plug it, xubuntu recognices it and mount it, but if I do a reboot, I have to unplug and plug in again to have an automatic mounting, or I have to do an "mount -a"
[11:03] <pubo> can anybody help me?
[11:05] <pubo> everybody is sleeping :S
[11:06] <totalwormage> hm
[11:06] <totalwormage> you could add it to your fstab
[11:07] <totalwormage> i don't know if that's the right way, but it will work
[11:08] <pubo> totalwormage, I've tried to make a rule in /etc/udev/rules.d, I've add it to fstab, but nothing :S
[11:08] <pubo> is very strange, becouse in debian, without X, everything works perfectly
[11:08] <ablomen> pubo, you added the auto flag? in fstab
[11:08] <totalwormage> ^^
[11:09] <totalwormage> otherwise read up about fstab here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131&highlight=fstab+howto
[11:09] <pubo> ablomen, yes, I added it...
[11:09] <ablomen> hmm ok
[11:10] <pubo> can I paste here my udev rule and fstab line?
[11:10] <pubo> pastebin better?
[11:10] <ablomen> pastebin :)
[11:11] <Marcusklaas> Hey question!
[11:12] <ablomen> btw, still dont get why people write those super-detailed howto's and then post it on a forum, thats what wiki's are for
[11:12] <Marcusklaas> I'm on ubuntu atm, when I install Xfce, will that put me on Xubuntu?
[11:12] <ablomen> Marcusklaas, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop :)
[11:12] <ablomen> that will put all the default xubuntu stuff on there
[11:12] <Marcusklaas> Okay cool
[11:12] <pubo> http://pastebin.com/m285c1f44
[11:13] <Marcusklaas> But then i also got the gnome apps .. will that make my pc slower than a clean install of xubuntu?
[11:13] <ablomen> well you can shut the services down and remove the apps you dont need
[11:15] <Marcusklaas> yea tru but what i hate about ubuntu is that a lot of applications are part of a package so you can't just delete them .. and the package manager is crazy .. liek 1000s of them in there -_-
[11:15] <Marcusklaas> but i get it
[11:15] <Marcusklaas> thanks ablomen
[11:15] <ablomen> np, good luck
[11:15] <ablomen> oh and, you can also just apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop afterwards
[11:17] <pubo> ablomen, have you seen my configuration? is there any error?
[11:17] <ablomen> well for one, i dont think you need a uid and gid in there, or is it needed for ntfs3g?
[11:18] <pubo> uhm, don't know... :)
[11:19] <ablomen> anyway, cant say anything about the udev rule (never did anything with that) but i think its either because of the weird dev name or something fishy with ntfs-3g, if thats not it, dunno
[11:20] <pubo> but If I remove the rule in udev, and the line in fstab... stills don't mounting the drive until I unplug and plug it again :'(
[11:20] <pubo> still? (I'm spanish xD)
[11:22] <ablomen> hmm well sorry i cant help ya there, try filing a bug :)
[11:24] <pubo> oh :(, well... thank you! :)
[11:24] <ablomen> hehe np, good luck
[11:53] <pubo> ablomen, are you there?
[11:53] <ablomen> yep
[11:54] <pubo> My problem (USB mounting)... The problem is with every device y plug in the USB ports... Keyboards, Mouse, etc...
[11:54] <ablomen> hmm thats weird
[11:54] <pubo> I mean...
[11:55] <pubo> I've plugged an USB-Mouse... It recognices and works perfectly... but when I reboot... the same... I have to unplug and plug-it again
[11:55] <ablomen> thats really not good, i think you messed something up, or have a really bad bug
[11:56] <pubo> maybe I uninstalled something important... but hal and udev is here
[12:28] <pubo> anybody here? :)
[12:30] <pubo> I have one more problem. This time with xfce volume applet... I don't know what happened... sound works allright, volume mixer too, but when I add a volume manager in the panel, It doesn't show...
[12:50] <bgergo94> hi
[12:51] <bgergo94> i have this computer : 660 Mhz Celeron processor, 128 MB RAM, 100 GB HDD
[12:51] <bgergo94> Does the Xubuntu works on it?
[12:52] <XwarlokX82> bgergo94, it should..xubuntu is ideal for systems like that.
[12:52] <ere4si> the livecd will be slow but once installed it will be ok
[12:53] <XwarlokX82> yup
[12:53] <ere4si> there is also fluxbuntu
[12:55] <bgergo94> Does Xubuntu have Hungarian version?
[13:20] <ere4si> !hu
[13:20] <ubotu> Magyar nyelvű segítséget az #ubuntu-hu csatornán talál
[13:23] <Norgur> hi
[14:11] <bgergo94> how can i install xubuntu without burn it on cd?
[14:21] <bgergo94> hm?
[14:36] <Dieterbe> hi, to enable sending/receiving files/images to/from my sony ericsson cellphone, do i just i just have to install bluez? i
[14:36] <Dieterbe> actually already installed the "bluetooth" package which pulled in bluez, but i would like an icon that shows the bluetooth status, that lets me en/disable the bluetooth device, and notifies me of incoming file transfers.  how should i do this? i'm guessing gnome-bluetooth is what i want, but i don't know if it will work on xubuntu and/or do what i want
[14:46] <jarnos> Hi, in Xubuntu 7.10 I can set autostarted applications at Settings > Autostarted Applications. I can check, uncheck, remove and add applications, but I can not see what the actual command is. By which command do you start e.g Print Queue Applet and would it work with IceWM?
[14:47] <jarnos> which is another window manager.
[14:54] <aussieman__> anyone help me with googleerarth? i wont find graphics card since upgrade 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[14:55] <aussieman__> ie from fiesty to gutsy
[17:11] <Ahmuck> is it me, or does xubuntu hang sometimes?
[17:12] <somerville32> Ahmuck, I don't have that happen to me
[17:12] <Ahmuck> update manager has been hung for about 45 minutes
[17:13] <Ahmuck> i get other programs that do the same, i'v been shutting them down via ctl-alt-esc + left mouse button
[17:14] <somerville32> Ahmuck, file bugs with tracebacks :)
[17:14] <Ahmuck> eh, somebody else will i suppose
[17:15] <Ahmuck> !bugs
[17:15] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[17:16] <Ahmuck> so are there instructions telling me how to get a traceback?  i normally just do strace, problem is it's so random.  /me thinks i should test my memory
[18:39] <stone[no]> How do you access samba shares in xubuntu? (smbmount is not present, though the samba packages are installed)
[18:40] <stone[no]> There are som guides online, but some report failures...
[18:47] <zoredache> install the smbfs package
[18:48] <zoredache> you don't need the main 'samba' package
[18:48] <stone[no]> zoredache: Thanx, I will try that.
[18:50] <Ahmuck> has anybody tried xubuntu ltsp?
[18:51] <Ahmuck> i have been unable to get a successful install
[18:53] <stone[no]> Hmm, anyone searching for samba, in eg synaptic, will not find smbfs. It's not mentioned in the description....
[18:54] <zoredache> hrm... generally don't use synaptic and do everything from the cli...   try an sudo apt-get install smbfs
[18:57] <zoredache> sorry I made a typeo that completely changed the meaning....  *I* generally don't use synaptic and do everything from the cli... please use whatever tools you are comfortable with.
[18:58] <Ahmuck> er, sudo aptitude install smbfs
[18:58] <ere4si> synaptic has a search button - click that and type samba
[18:58] <stone[no]> Hehe, I prefer both. GUI for searched and cli for all other. I found it, when searching for "smb", I reckoned all packages regarding samba would
[18:59] <stone[no]> I found the package when searching for "smb". I didn't remember that smb is also commonly used to describe samba packages.
[19:00] <stone[no]> I searched for "samba" previously.
[19:04] <zention> having troubles getting an old soundcard to work on a system (au8810).
[19:04] <zention> the modules load for the card - but alsa does not see it
[19:05] <zention> /dev/snd seems a little sparsely populated with only seq and timer
[19:06] <zention> dmesg gives : au8810: probe of 0000:00:0c.0 failed with error -16
[19:07] <zention> I am thinking it could be a bios thing
[19:08] <stone[no]> zention: I'm no expert on these things, but can an onboard sound system conflict with your audio card?
[19:09] <zention> the mb is quite old on the system I doubt there is onboard sound
[19:09] <zention> it could be an irq thing though
[19:09] <zention> the system is an old one of mine I have given to a friend
[19:10] <zention> and that soundcard was always a pig to get working - nearly every other alsa or kernel release it would work or not work
[19:11] <zention> which makes me think that it is an irq problem
[19:11] <zention> in the past I would just change alsa version or kernel version
[19:11] <zention> but I don't really want to admin this machine much
[19:12] <stone[no]> zention: I think I read somewhere that you could configure/ pass IRQ info to a card on boot (via grub)...
[19:12] <zention> yeah that might be an idea
[19:13] <zention> ubuntu stores module config in /etc/modprobe.d/?
[19:14] <zention> the alsa-base file looks a bit generic unfortunately I have nerfed my custom one
[19:14] <zention> I suspect I can get a solution there as well
[19:15] <zention> I will dig around the alsa site I think it is all beginning to floodback to me on how to get that card working
[19:16] <zention> removing alsaconf I must admit was not a great move
[19:17] <stone[no]> no backup?
[19:17] <zention> I wiped the system for xubuntu
[19:18] <zention> got the user data files
[19:18] <stone[no]> ohh, ok.
[19:18] <zention> I had that twinge but the system was running gentoo from a few years back
[19:19] <zention> so I thought hey I want need any of the conf
[19:25] <zention> is there a ubunutu page dealing with alsa?
[19:29] <zention> what confuses me a little is that lsmod shows snd-au8810 installed but each rmmod snd-au8810 and modprobe snd-au8810 results in an error -16
[19:30] <zention> and snd_au8810 still sits in lsmod
[19:32] <zoredache> you can't rmmod something if some process is using it
[19:32] <zention> yeah nothing was using it
[19:32] <zention> rmmod works and it will go
[19:33] <zention> but modprobe errors and still the module gets loaded
[19:33] <stone[no]> zention: Are there no modules using snd-8810?
[19:34] <zention> yeah there are lot associated they all go when rmmod snd-au8810 completes
[19:34] <zention> and they all come back when modprobe snd-au8810 is run
[19:34] <zention> but the modprobe snd-au8810 errors -16 to the kernel
[19:35] <zention> and no soundcard is found
[19:37] <stone[no]> I don't know if this link will help: http://www.linuxsound.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-au8810
[19:37] <zention> thanks
[19:37] <zention> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-au8810
[19:38] <zention> I was looking at that one, I think they are the same :)
[19:38] <zention> I am going to check the BIOS
[19:50] <zention> hmm still no joy
[19:53] <DM|> why no joy?
[20:00] <zention> DMI: still no sound
[20:07] <zention> hmm now I am wondering if it is acpi related
[20:07] <zention> I added noapci to the kernel line in grub
[20:07] <zention> but acpi is still running
[20:22] <thingummywut> hi. why does xubuntu log me out when i've been AFK for ~15 minutes?
[20:31] <stone[no]> thingummywut: Screen saver crash? Try disable screen saver...
[20:32] <thingummywut> that is well possible. any info why it crashes?
[20:33] <stone[no]> thingummywut: Just a hunch ;-)
[20:35] <thingummywut> care to share?
[20:35] <thingummywut> is it fixable maybe?
[20:36] <thingummywut> also, the log-in screen is weird. it's too tall for my monitor, width is ok
[20:38] <stone[no]> I assume you are logged out after 15 min of inactivity. 15 min seems like a "generic" screen saver timer.
[20:38] <stone[no]> First, to check this theory: Disable screensaver and se if that fixes the issue.
[20:38] <stone[no]> Second: If it's the screesaver, find out which screensaver is giving you trouble.
[20:38] <thingummywut> yes. disabling works
[20:39] <stone[no]> try change the screensaver.
[20:39] <stone[no]> It could be related to your misconfigured x11 conf file (wrong screen resolution)
[20:40] <thingummywut> i've poked it a lot
[20:40] <thingummywut> and got it working somehow. before that the things were way worse
[20:43] <stone[no]> try to play with "Screens and graphics" on the settings menu.
[20:45] <thingummywut> yeah, i did. weird thing is that as i have all my settings right..
[20:45] <thingummywut> the screen is still too "tall"
[20:45] <thingummywut> but when i switch from 75 Hz to 60 Hz from Screens and Graphics, it ends up fine
[20:45] <thingummywut> and every time i log in, it "re-loads" the 60 Hz setting making things work
[20:46] <thingummywut> and even if i set it up to 60 Hz initially, the problem remains. it is solved bu switching to 75 Hz
[20:48] <stone[no]> Have you "hand"-edited the x11 conf file?
[20:48] <thingummywut> yup
[20:48] <thingummywut> it had all resolutions my monitor couldn't handle by default
[20:49] <stone[no]> I guess a heavily modified x11 conf file can be difficult for the x11 server to understand. maybe you can start from scratch. Is there a command line x11 conf utility?
[20:50] <stone[no]> but take a backup of your working conf file first! :)
[20:50] <thingummywut> yup, but it reconfigures it as it was by default
[20:51] <thingummywut> as if xubuntu doesn't recognize my screen correctly
[20:53] <stone[no]> you can edit the conf file, start with only 800x600. And work your way upward until your happy. Your pc is a desktop?
[20:54] <stone[no]> alt+ctrl+Fn: edit x11 conf file. alt+ctrl+F7: ctrl+alt+backspace til restart x server.
[21:11] <thingummywut> yeh, i'm familiar with that
[21:11] <thingummywut> the settings should be fine now, yet it doesn't work properly
[21:19] <stone[no]> try to boot with another live distro, see if it's xubuntu related or hardware related.
[21:23] <thingummywut> i might, yeah
[22:18] <StevenSeagal> Hi to all
[22:19] <StevenSeagal> There is anyone that can help me?
[22:19] <StevenSeagal> I've a problem
[22:20] <StevenSeagal> with xubuntu installation
[22:20] <StevenSeagal> during this installation
[22:22] <StevenSeagal> the system ask me password
[22:22] <StevenSeagal> but i don't know waht
[22:22] <StevenSeagal> ;(
[22:25] <StevenSeagal> :P
[22:25] <StevenSeagal> :D
[22:25] <StevenSeagal> }:-)
[22:39] <Nisse> hey
[22:40] <Nisse> Nisseus
[22:42] <Nisseus> Hey
[23:10] <Nuked> anyone in here well versed in video encoding
[23:11] <Nuked> ?
[23:13] <soldats> do you mean how to encode files
[23:15] <Nuked> kind of.. I am encoding stuff using dvdrip and the likes. I get videos that start to play normally, then slow down then plays normally. This repeats throughout whatever it is that I encode
[23:16] <soldats> what program are you using to view videos
[23:16] <Nuked> vlc, kaffeine, totem...
[23:16] <Nuked> they all show the videos the same
[23:16] <soldats> is it slow in vlc??
[23:16] <Nuked> yep
[23:17] <soldats> man then im not sure that program is pretty fast in my perspective maybe you should try a new program to encode in
[23:17] <Nuked> it plays normal for five or six seconds, then slows down, then speeds up.. its the weirdest thing
[23:17] <soldats> have you tried a different encoding program
[23:18] <Nuked> soldats same results with other programs
[23:18] <Nuked> I thought it was a bum xvid... but I get similar results with other encoders as well
[23:18] <soldats> hmm sorry i was just thinking of a simple way since that happened to me a long time ago but im not faminliar with dvdrip
[23:19] <Nuked> soldats its everything I tried so far
[23:19] <Nuked> acidrip as well
[23:19] <Nuked> I have tried from .iso and from actual dvd
[23:19] <Nuked> same issue
[23:20] <soldats> have you tried looking at the dvdrip homepage for any bug reports and if there isnt any bug reports id suggest you send one
[23:20] <soldats> you should also rip them at the slowest speed possible to reduce lag
[23:21] <Nuked> I figured that would be a non issue if I did it from an ISO instead'
[23:23] <soldats> sorry im not well versed in ripping dvds and i didnt find anything valuable on google either
[23:24] <Nuked> soldats your effort is appreciated nonetheless
[23:24] <Nuked> thanks
[23:29] <soldats> Nuked, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DVD::Rip have you thought about reinstalling dvdrip
[23:30] <Nuked> soldats I have indeed, but I doubt that would fix the issue
[23:30] <Nuked> matter of fact, I think I have tried that already
[23:31] <soldats> damni wish i could help
[23:33] <Nuked> soldats man you have done more than enough, trust me
[23:33] <Nuked> most times I just get snowed in
[23:34] <Nuked> a simple cat .bash_history shows that I have indeed reinstalled dvd rip
[23:34] <soldats> if i had a dvd player and dvdrip im sure id be able to help more
[23:35] <Nuked> no dvd player?!
[23:35] <soldats> nope
[23:35] <Nuked> die hard ascii fan?
[23:36] <soldats> not really i normally just enjoy listening to music, i watch small videos but my dvd player is external and on my tv
[23:36] <soldats> my computer is way too slow to play anything over 25 minutes at high quality
[23:37] <Nuked> How old is the box that you are using?
[23:37] <zention> truns out the cards just needed mixing up and reseating
[23:38] <zention> so I will blame myself for that
[23:38] <zention> which mean xubuntu pretty much installed everything without a problem
[23:41] <soldats> Nuked, its about 5 or 6 years old its has 1 gig processor and 256mb or ram
[23:42] <soldats> its slow but with xubuntu its still runs nice and plays 25 min videos fine
[23:42] <Nuked> Its great to know that you can still use that box
[23:43] <soldats> yea if i ever can come up with some money ill be getting a new one or building one
[23:44] <Nuked> yeah, and you can install pfsense, smoothwall or monowall on that box and use it as a router
[23:45] <Nuked> or as an mp3 file server or something
[23:45] <soldats> yea it works for that which is cool
[23:45] <soldats> but since i do a lot of work with graphics id like to build a faster machine
[23:46] <Nuked> hell cluster it for the boost in render time
[23:50] <Nuked> now if only I could figure out how to convert the VIDEO_TS to an .ogm xvid 2000 kbps with ac3 copied from the dvd ID be set


[12:37] <jbicha> wow, not many people here :)
[12:37] <jbicha> besides me, we've got a bot, elky and two fossfreedom's
[12:39] <jbicha> One reason metapackages use a lot of Depends instead of just Recommends is to avoid odd things like bug 1635801
[12:58] <fossfreedom_> jbica: aye ... split personality ;P
[13:01] <fossfreedom_> jbica: so meta-packages should be ALL depends i.e. don't use ( ... ) syntax?
[13:05] <fossfreedom_> jbicha: ... would be helpful if I could actually type your handle!
[13:05] <jbicha> you can still use recommends but use depends for the stuff that users should definitely still have installed
[13:06] <fossfreedom_> makes sense
[13:06] <jbicha> the line is fuzzy though as there's disagreement about what users should be able to uninstall but still benefit from the metapackage


[01:47] <yaxomoxay> hello
[01:47] <ddecator> hey yaxomoxay
[01:48] <yaxomoxay> hi ddecator ... how r u ?
[01:48] <ddecator> yaxomoxay: good, and yourself?
[01:48] <yaxomoxay> ddecator not bad at all... at home, on a sofa, w/ a laptop :)
[01:49] <yaxomoxay> so, what is the first step in getting involved in ubuntu's sw testing? I am already in the ml
[01:50] <ddecator> this channel is meant more for bug triage. if you want to help with testing, #ubuntu-testing will be better :)
[01:51] <yaxomoxay> what is the relationship between ubuntu testing and bug triage, if any
[01:52] <ddecator> well we're both QA related. ubuntu-testing concentrates more on testing out development software and reporting bugs, ubuntu-bugs is more about triaging those bugs
[01:52] <yaxomoxay> are they both under ubuntu's Bug squad?
[01:53] <ddecator> i believe the testing team is considered separate
[01:53] <yaxomoxay> ok, I'll check the website. Thanks for the info.
[01:53] <ddecator> no problem :)
[03:41] <yaxomoxay> how do you install 10.10 packages? I noticed some bugs for 10.10 are already on launchpad
[04:28] <smokenbiskits> i have a bug, but i don't know how to report it other than subjectively
[04:29] <ddecator> smokenbiskits: what program is the bug in?
[04:30] <smokenbiskits> its w/ the kernel
[04:30] <smokenbiskits> and bios
[04:30] <smokenbiskits> specifically acpi
[04:30] <ddecator> you can check launchpad to see if the bug has been reported against 'linux', otherwise you can use 'ubuntu-bug linux' to report the bug
[04:32] <smokenbiskits> ty
[04:33] <ddecator> no problem :)
[04:34] <smokenbiskits> one more question...anyone using toshiba satellite l505d and/or insyde h2o bios?
[04:35] <smokenbiskits> k tx ddecator
[05:38] <akgraner> Hi all  - the bug day announcement has been added to the Fridge and syndicated to the Planet :-) http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2039  Have Fun hugging bugs  - you all rock! :-D
[06:09] <DrKenobi> Hi! I'm a new BugSquad member. I think this bug should be set to wishlist https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/367512
[06:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 367512 in ubuntu "unnecessary screensaver interruption (heat: 2)" [Undecided,New]
[06:10]  * ddecator looks
[06:12] <ddecator> yes, i agree that it's wishlist, but i'm not sure what package it should be assigned to...
[06:12] <DrKenobi> gnome-screensaver?
[06:14] <ddecator> maybe...anyone here work on screensaver bugs before?
[06:20] <DrKenobi> maybe notify-osd!
[06:21] <DrKenobi> maybe both
[06:24] <ddecator> hm, i think it depends on which course the feature would take. to have no notifications while the screensaver is active, notify-osd would probably need to do the work, but to have notifications over the screensaver would probably be more work for gnome-screensaver
[06:26] <DrKenobi> so maybe it should be gnome-screensaver...
[06:28] <ddecator> that's my best guess atm
[06:31] <DrKenobi> ddecator, what's next? should i send it to upstream or wait?
[06:35] <ddecator> if it's indeed something gnome should work on, then you can look upstream to see if there has already been a request for it. i'm hesitant to tell you to report upstream without knowing if they would be the ones to work on the bug, haha
[06:37] <DrKenobi> i have already checked at bugzilla.gnome.com and i didn't find any duplicate in gnome-screensaver i will look if it's already reported with notify-osd
[06:46] <DrKenobi> ddecator, I found this, but my english is not perfect, do you think is the bug we have? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=607029
[06:46] <ubot2> Gnome bug 607029 in general "Make volume, brightness, and other system feedback available on the locked screen and in the overview" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[06:51] <ddecator> DrKenobi: i don't think so, they aren't talking about how it should affect the screensaver, they seem to just be talking about how to improve their notifications
[06:51] <DrKenobi> ok, so I didnt find anything
[06:53] <ddecator> it's kind of an odd feature request imo, so i don't know if you'll find any other reports for it
[06:55] <DrKenobi> ok, but if we are not sure which package to assign this bug, I will come back tomorrow and ask again. ok?
[06:56] <ddecator> sounds good. there are a lot of triagers familiar with gnome, this is just a slow time :)
[06:56] <DrKenobi> Ok, thank you ddecator!
[06:57] <ddecator> no problem :)
[07:03] <atrus> so, the screensaver is visible when your machine is locked... you also would want to be careful that notifications wouldn't pop up while the machine is locked, that might give away something about something private you're doing
[07:03] <ddecator> very true
[07:07] <DrKenobi> but if the machine is not locked, and the screensaver is running, there is no reason for th screensaver to stop working if I press the volume keys
[09:11] <kermiac> seb128: ping re indicator-applet apport hook. I filed bug 583174 to track the info needed as we discussed yesterday with tedg
[09:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 583174 in indicator-applet "Apport hook for indicator-applet (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/583174
[09:12] <BUGabundo_remote> epikay hey
[09:12] <seb128> kermiac, hi, thanks
[09:13] <kermiac> hi seb128, no probs. Once it's decided exactly what info is needed I'll start working on the hook
[09:13] <seb128> you can already start by collecting the logs
[09:13] <seb128> and give a list of indicators
[09:14] <seb128> ie a question asking if the issue is with the applet itself or with one of the icons
[09:14] <seb128> then list the icons, sounds, etc
[09:14] <seb128> the idea is to try to open the bug directly on the right indicator
[09:14] <kermiac> good idea, thanks. I'll start working on it :)
[09:15] <seb128> thanks
[13:10] <xelister> the UI after upgrade to Lucid is bad. How to report that?
[13:10] <xelister> in example, pidgin windows jump into my face
[13:11] <xelister> and opening a terminal from alt+f2 does not focuses the new terminal AND its hard to alt+tab to it
[13:30] <mistrynitesh> bug 543599 looks like a wishlist
[13:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 543599 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade kernel selection could be better (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/543599
[13:32] <mvo> mistrynitesh: thanks, indeed. I will ask for some more information
[13:33] <mistrynitesh> mvo: my pleasure
[13:35] <BUGabundo_remote> hi mvo. long time no see
[13:35] <mvo> hey BUGabundo_remote
[13:36] <xelister> mistrynitesh: keyboard not working in ubuntu lucid. On many computers. Can you mark this as critical or something?
[13:37] <xelister> mistrynitesh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/555169
[13:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 555169 in xserver-xorg-input-keyboard (Ubuntu) "[lucid] Keyboard and mouse freeze after grub, usb and PS/2 keyboard not working in X (affects: 27) (heat: 126)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:41] <mistrynitesh> xelister: i do not have necessary permissions, someone who has will definitely help you :)
[13:42] <xelister> god this Lucid's UI is horribly unusable
[13:43] <xelister> new windows jump into my face (pidgin IM; alt+f2 new program etc) and they are  1) IN MY FACE (bad!)  2) they are even not focused (so cant close them easly)  3) they are at end of ALT+TAB list.  It's the opposite of usability
[13:46] <mistrynitesh> I'm sure you will be kind enough to report relevant bugs, and usability is a very subjective term anyways
[13:47] <xelister> I hope you will agree, a suddenly popping up window  that  1) blocks entire screen   2) can't be closed with alt+f4 (not focused)  3) can't be easly alt-tabb'd to   is realy no nice
[14:31] <mistrynitesh> launchpad acting wierd... shows the bug report, but when I try to change the status, it gives 'Timeout error' :(
[14:32] <Odd-rationale> same here.
[14:32] <charlie-tca> same here, and the status does not update
[14:32] <Pici> Looks like some people are reporting similar problems in #launchpad
[14:32] <mistrynitesh> may be we in the bugsquad overloaded lp ;)
[14:33] <mistrynitesh> time to report bug against package 'launchpad' :D
[14:34] <Pici> If you're getting an OOPS error, it might be a good idea to share it in #launchpad
[14:35] <mistrynitesh> just need to give the 'oops-some number' ?
[14:35] <ubot2> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=some
[14:36] <Pici> Yessir
[14:46] <xelister> what is the formal name for the eyekendy (Apparance > Visuall Effects) ?
[14:52] <mrand> xelister:  compiz?
[15:00] <xelister> mrand: I think so.  Imho you should give this technical information.  not just for-noobs "Visuall Effects" but also for more power users.. or if someone wants to google more info
[15:03] <mrand> xelister: I agree.  Figuring out application names, and then package names, are one of the MANY barriers not just to bug triaging, but to reporting as well.
[15:07] <xelister> mrand: so who we contact so this gets changed?
[15:07] <xelister> it's quite trivial change.. just append the name of binary, the technical name. Doesn't even need any translation works on strings
[15:09] <mrand> xelister: the question is where do you put this information that is most easy to find?
[15:09] <mrand> Without cluttering up system menus, I mean.
[15:11] <DrKenobi> Hi! I'm new here. Yesterday I asked for bug to be set to wishlist, but the other guy was not sure if this was a problem with gnome-screensaver or notify-osd https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/367512
[15:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 367512 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) "unnecessary screensaver interruption (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:12] <yofel> xelister, mrand: hm... we do have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage for that now, I'm not sure if putting app names everywhere is a good idea, as the common user doesn't care about that
[15:16] <xelister> mrand: in the menu in (...)
[15:17] <xelister> also, for each window title append binary na,e
[15:17] <xelister> that could be feauture of DM
[15:21] <aburch> xelisterHaving the binary name in every window title will probably look not so nice.
[15:29] <xelister> btw, kmail is now unusable pile of .... - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/583340
[15:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 583340 in ubuntu "uses mysqld instead of mysqld-akonadi (affects: 2) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[15:29] <xelister> crashes always
[15:37] <xelister> my mistake, the above bug report is something else I think
[15:48] <xelister> well, then 10.04 seems to be a disaster... is there any speciall work going on right now to fix all this?
[15:50] <Aquina> Ouch! It's not a desasster although I hope Canonical will more focus on stability and security in the future.  Don't you want to join #ubuntu?
[15:53] <xelister> Aquina: I'm reporting bugs.  Well every thing we (users here) touch, falls appart. Most programs fail.
[15:55] <xelister> kmail is unusalbe.  desktop (compiz) is horrible, even worse then in 9.10.  Firefox had trouble working.  etc
[15:55] <xelister> on some computers even keyboard does not work
[15:56] <xelister> I dont know why Ubuntu felt its needed to add cheap glossy gimmicks and pretend to be mac os x, instead just improving the tools we need to use daily
[15:57] <ddecator> most users have found lucid to be very stable. things like keyboards not working are related to the kernel and not something we have much control over
[15:58] <DrKenobi> lucid for me is 10/10, only 1 little problem but that not affects me!
[15:59] <xelister> ddecator: over 20 reports on lanuchpad for the keybaord thing. Linus would never release such kernel, its not problem in vanilla. Possible workarounds include some options to X afair. So it must be config/init scripts etc
[16:10] <Aquina> xelister, I partially agree with you. That's why I work on my own fork of it with stability and security enhancements.
[16:11] <Aquina> On the other hand 10.04 brings manny improvements with it.
[16:14] <xelister> fork of what?
[16:19] <Aquina> Xubuntu
[16:20] <Aquina> When it's remasterd it will be available (in July).
[16:20] <aburch> I sometimes wonder why everybody seems to need their own distribution recently...
[16:20] <Aquina> yes thats a problem also mentioned on slashdot.
[16:21] <Aquina> But my distro was in the works for pver 2 years and is not a standard one with a new wallpaper. :-)
[16:21] <Aquina> I started it at the university...
[16:21] <aburch> It might be a better idea to fix security and stability issues upstream instead...
[16:22] <Aquina> I also took this into account.
[16:23] <Aquina> The problem is however that we had demands whe wanted to satisfy. Most portions are not upstream compatible.
[16:24] <aburch> But you have the ressources for maintaining all the patches and updating them for the next release, do quality assurance, ...?
[16:24] <Aquina> For e.g. we altered the authentification modules (pam) wnd fixed some things which will never go into Ubuntu.
[16:24] <xelister> like "quality"
[16:24] <xelister> btw, Aquina can you perhaps make the copy-paste work in your distro?
[16:25] <xelister> because it makes some users jellous of windows 3.11
[16:25] <Aquina> aburch I have some help and right now we do this for *us* only. Publication has not yet been voted on. I'm pushing abit towards this though.
[16:26] <xelister> actually there are so many high profile bugs in ubuntu.. they dont get fixed for months.. years... why this stagnation
[16:26] <Aquina> I had lectures about "quality" during the last terms and the more I know about this the more I realize there do to manny different assumptions exist about that quality is. Bruce Schneier says something different than my Prof. and he something eles than I do,
[16:26] <Aquina> 28 critical +3 since last week, yes I saw them.
[16:27] <maco> xelister: we could always use more volunteers to help fix them
[16:27] <Aquina> I prmised in the past to triage and bugfix but not this month or the next one. I'll do it however. I wanna contribute more.
[16:27] <maco> hmm copy & paste doesnt work?
[16:27] <maco> um since when?
[16:28] <Aquina> See my Launchpad profile I recently started (2 yrs ago). What are 2 years? :-))
[16:28] <xelister> maco: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/11334
[16:28] <maco> in most cases it seems fine to me, though i know that if you copy, then quit the app you copied from, then try to paste the buffer is lost. if you do that much, try using a clipboard manager
[16:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 11334 in ubuntu (and 2 other projects) "MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste (affects: 144) (dups: 23) (heat: 922)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[16:28] <hggdh> heh. bug 511269 is now in progress!
[16:28] <Aquina> Oh yes, maco. Now I see what you mean.
[16:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 511269 in malone "only bug supervisor should be able to assign bugs to other people (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/511269
[16:29] <aburch> Aquina: Out of curiosity: Where do you use you custom distribution? And what did you change in PAM? Just the configuration?
[16:29] <xelister> btw, I would love it if kamil would not crash ALL THE TIME since upgrade to 9.10
[16:29] <xelister> 10.04* to
[16:30] <maco> pop, imap, or dimap?
[16:30] <maco> if imap, thats not since 9.10...thats since at least 9.04
[16:30] <maco> if dimap...no problem here
[16:30] <maco> thatd likely be a kde upstream bug though, not a kubuntu-specific one
[16:31] <maco> do you submit the crash reports bugs.kde.org?
[16:31] <xelister> no account, it just dies because of stupid aconadi something
[16:31]  * xelister tries a fix from forum
[16:31] <Aquina> aburch, we (20 ppl.) created it during our study courses. In the meanwile I use it as my desktop distro besides Ubuntu 8.04 on the servers and monowall on the firewalls/routers. Well... I use it for work as I'm a dev. I'm going to work for the German gov in Aug/2010.
[16:31] <maco> xelister: you can install glipper in ubuntu if you want a clipboard manager. i believe kubuntu includes klipper by default
[16:33] <Aquina> Regarding PAM we fixed the problem with "user not known to the underlying authenticatiion module blah, blah.." and yes we changed the configuration files for more security. This is however just 0.x percent of what our fork is all about.
[16:33] <xelister> what is it's name?
[16:34] <xelister> is it going to be more secure?
[16:34] <Aquina> yes It's called "Xubuntu SE" and not yet available.
[16:36] <nigelb> what the heck! bug 357218
[16:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 357218 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu wallpaper called warty-final-ubuntu.png is made with Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh (affects: 4)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/357218
[16:37] <nigelb> JFo: truely, I support your option.  Only a specific few people should change Fix Released bugs :/
[16:37] <JFo> heh
[16:37] <Pici> ugh.
[16:38] <nigelb> its soo going to be a shouting match.  I have half a mind to close it as won't fix
[16:38] <JFo> do that then
[16:38] <JFo> since it is fixed anyway
[16:38] <JFo> this would be a great place for my other idea of completely locking a bug
[16:39] <JFo> where there are no possibilities of comments
[16:39] <hggdh> JFo: which idea?
[16:39] <nigelb> exactly
[16:39] <JFo> or status change
[16:39] <hggdh> oh
[16:39] <JFo> hggdh, the one I put forward to LP team
[16:39] <nigelb> No changes except by bug supervisor
[16:39] <JFo> or bugcontrol
[16:39] <nigelb> hggdh: any suggestions on what to do for what bug?
[16:39] <JFo> doesn't have to be too elitist
[16:39] <hggdh> the photoshop one? Let me look at it
[16:40] <nigelb> JFo: bug supervisor for ubuntu = bug control
[16:40] <JFo> heh
[16:40] <nigelb> all lp projects would love this idea sooner or later
[16:41] <hggdh> nigelb: I would close it. This is not really a problem
[16:41] <aburch> nigelb: Which idea? Disabling commenting on bugs?
[16:42] <nigelb> aburch: disabling anything on bugs, essentially just making it read only to everyone except bug supervisor
[16:42] <nigelb> we have bugs which have turned into blogs
[16:42] <nigelb> and I get a new post by email every day :/
[16:42] <nigelb> hggdh: closee as Fix Released or Won't Fix?
[16:43] <aburch> I don't hink that would be a good idea.  Users would probably just file new bugs anyway...
[16:43] <aburch> nigelb: What about "invalid"? I don't think it is even a bug.
[16:43] <nigelb> aburch: yes, thats better than having a big bug with 500 coments thats dont help
[16:44] <ogra> nigelb, wontfix it ...
[16:44] <ddecator> hggdh: btw, i talked to mitch last night and he is fighting the ubuflu so he hasn't been staying on as late, so he was wondering if we could talk next week once he's feeling better
[16:44] <ogra> (and decline the jaunty task :) )
[16:44] <aburch> nigelb: Well, there is still the "unsubscribe from this bug" whishlist-item for LP :)
[16:45] <nigelb> If I touch that bug, I'll be famous becuase that bug is surely going to be slashdotted :D
[16:46] <hggdh> ddecator: certainly, no prob
[16:46] <hggdh> nigelb: I will do it
[16:46] <ddecator> hggdh: good deal, i'll let him know tonight :)
[16:46] <nigelb> hggdh: thanks :)
[16:46]  * nigelb about to add comment
[16:46] <ogra> nigelb, well, lucid is out if people want to point out the fact that the wallpaper is made with PS they can blog about it, a bug is surely the wrong approach
[16:47] <nigelb> ogra: +1
[16:47] <aburch> I hope nobody used a proprietary Canon camera to take photos that ended up somehow in Ubuntu ;)
[16:48] <nigelb> ogra: apparently the fedora guys campaign telling that we make everything for fedora with fedora
[16:48] <nigelb> aburch: good one
[16:48] <xelister> or run Ubuntu on closed hardware like the cpu
[16:48] <hggdh> ogra: yes. Photoshop was used, but the results are free, which is what is important
[16:48] <hggdh> also, most of the pictures we see are taken with proprietary cameras (running proprietary software). So what?
[16:49] <ogra> hggdh, iirc mark made some statements in his opening talk at UDS about the fact that we dont restrict people to use what they like to contribute to ubuntu
[16:49] <DrKenobi> Hi! I'm new at the BugSquad. I've just reported upstream this bug, I think it should be set to Triaged: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-screensaver/+bug/367512
[16:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 367512 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "unnecessary screensaver interruption (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[16:50] <nigelb> DrKenobi: done! Thanks for sending upstream :)
[16:52] <DrKenobi> nigelb, thank you, it was my first upstream!! :-D
[16:54] <ddecator> ah, so it was a gnome-screensaver bug. keep up the good work DrKenobi :)
[16:55] <DrKenobi> ddecator, I asked again a few hours ago!
[16:58] <hggdh> nigelb: done. Now we wait for the fallout ;-)
[16:58]  * ddecator is tempted to subscribe just to see what happens
[16:58] <hggdh> oh yes, I should subscribe -- after all, not only I closed it (again), but also declined the nomination ;-)
[16:59] <nigelb> hggdh: oh, you get to decline nominations too! oh yeah, qa team
[16:59] <hggdh> heh
[17:02] <hggdh> nigelb: this is actually a responsability I would gladly be without...
[17:02] <nigelb> hggdh: lol, I thought you liked your new job
[17:03] <hggdh> nigelb: I *do*, very much. It is nice to work (and earn) on something you like and support for a change
[17:03] <marjo> hggdh: i thought so too
[17:04] <hggdh> yes. /me is quite happy :-)
[17:13] <xelister> this is ridiculous
[17:14] <xelister> kmail still not working in lucid
[17:15] <pedro_> and now the internet isn't working for him either!
[17:15]  * pedro_ runs
[17:16] <nigelb> pedro_: lol
[17:29] <Aquina> *lol*
[17:41] <hggdh> cool. thunderstorms
[17:42]  * hggdh waits for a power surge
[17:43] <kamusin> Eeebotu is dead.
[17:43] <kamusin> under bugs-announce...
[17:43] <hggdh> oops
[17:43] <hggdh> kamusin: looking at it
[17:43] <kamusin> please send a ping of resurrection
[17:48] <DrKenobi> Hi! If i find a duplicate bug, do I have to set the duplicate to invalid? Or what status?
[17:49] <yofel> mark it as a dup and leave the status as it is
[17:49] <DrKenobi> yofel, ok
[17:50] <DrKenobi> thanks
[17:50] <yofel> duplicate bugs don't have a status of their own
[17:51] <hggdh> kamusin: eeeBotu is back, thank you for the heads up
[17:52] <kamusin> no problem hggdh ;)
[18:03] <bdmurray> leaving the duplicate bugs status creates less work if it needs to become undupped
[18:27] <hggdh> yeeee! teh photoshop bug has just been reopened. Although I do not quite follow the explanation...
[18:28] <nigelb> hggdh: awesome
[18:28] <nigelb> hggdh: so he wants photoship shiped?
[18:30] <aburch> Having Photoshop as FOSS in Ubuntu would certainly be awesome :-D
[18:32] <nigelb> hggdh: thats a bug you should perhaps mark won't fix
[18:32] <nigelb> thats the only way they wont play with it anymore
[18:35] <hggdh> no, he does not want photoshop, and he confuses ethical and technical issues (of which this bug is none)
[18:36] <nigelb> exactly
[18:36] <nigelb> I vote for the bug to be marked Won't Fix or Invalid
[18:39] <hggdh> it will not help, he will just change it again
[18:44] <aburch> And closed again (by Vish).
[18:45] <hggdh> heh
[18:45] <hggdh> this will no nowhere, we will close and he will reopen. I vote to just let it stay there
[18:47] <hggdh> and, until the LP bug to keep a closed bug closed is worked on, nothing we can do
[18:48] <vish> hggdh: i'm gonna wont fix it if re-opened again ;)
[18:48] <vish> hggdh: the lp folks mentioned at the UDS the Wontfix cant be re-opened now..
[18:49] <hggdh> vish: oh, OK. go for it
[18:53] <charlie-tca> I think you can ask launchpad to lock the comments, too, can't you?
[18:54] <maco> thats possible?
[18:54] <charlie-tca> Of course, doesn't mean they will
[18:54] <charlie-tca> Not sure
[18:54] <maco> vish: can the bug manager still reopen it?
[18:55] <vish> maco: thats what they mentioned.. if set as wont fix , it can only be re-opened by the bug managers
[18:57] <maco> ohok
[19:00] <hggdh> oh boy, jusst found that I run an AMD64, which has proprietary firmware. I should be running an Ubuntu-FLOSS firmware instead.
[19:00] <hggdh> I propose we all power off
[19:03] <vish> hmm , is gmail open source?
[19:22] <yofel> err... architecture 'any' means 'build  for all architectures' right?
[19:54] <hggdh> never remember which is which... any means it is arch-independent, all means "all archs". Or the other way around
[19:58] <Elbrus> Can somebody with a platform OTHER than i386 confirm that tuxcmd in Lucid does not run due to an access violation? See bug 577728. I can confirm for i386, but not for other platforms.
[20:01] <hggdh> Elbrus: if just running it counts, then it did not get a signal here (amd64)
[20:02] <Elbrus> hggdh: could you start it from command line (and see it fail)?
[20:02] <hggdh> Elbrus: this is what I did
[20:03] <Elbrus> sorry, so your tuxcmd runs?
[20:03] <greg-g> hggdh: tuxcmd runs here on amd64 as well
[20:03] <Elbrus> ok, thanks for the notes.
[20:04] <greg-g> erm, sorry, wrong person, but you got it :)
[20:06] <yofel> hggdh: this any != all was actually what I wanted to clear up (see #ubuntu+1)
[20:06] <yofel> but nvm now
[20:11] <hggdh> yofel: yeah. I think -- I am sure -- this is documented in the developer's guide
[20:11] <yofel> I looked it up in the policy, all: arch-indep, any: any arch
[20:16] <hggdh> oh, OK. Then all builds for any, but names the .deb as i386
[20:17] <yofel> er.. any names the .deb i386
[20:17] <yofel> all names it all.deb
[20:17] <hggdh> or that ;-)
[20:18] <hggdh> been long I don't package
[20:18] <hggdh> then any is for all, and all is indep. Really bad choice of words, here
[20:31] <Elbrus> anybody here that reads chinese? what does " 子进程 已安装的 post-removal 脚本 返回了错误号 139" mean (see bug 493022)
[20:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 493022 in lesstif2 (Ubuntu) "package lesstif2 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: 子进程 已安装的 post-removal 脚本 返回了错误号 139 (affects: 1) (heat: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/493022
[20:32] <greg-g> Elbrus: tried google translate? I haven't done much with that language and google, but it somtimes gives a good clue
[20:32] <David-T> Elbrus: google claims: Child process has installed post-removal script returned error number 139
[20:33] <Elbrus> David-T and greg-g: thanks.. I will try the rest as well.
[20:33] <greg-g> np
[20:34] <yofel> 139 was segfault I think...
[20:35] <yofel> guess some command that was called by the script segfaulted
[20:35] <Elbrus> that would fix the description as well
[20:35] <Elbrus> the current lesstif2 only calls ldconfig...
[20:36] <yofel> hm...
[20:36] <Elbrus> I will have to figure out what the script was in Karmic's first version...
[20:51] <Elbrus> lesstif2.postrm only calls ldconfig... should I reassign the bug ?
[20:57] <nenon> I have an issue with ddclient running as daemon in 10.04
[20:58] <DrKenobi> Hi! I think this bug importance should be set to wishlist https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/522991
[20:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 522991 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Gwibber does not display recipient of "wall to wall" posts [Facebook] (affects: 16) (dups: 1) (heat: 79)" [Low,Triaged]
[20:59] <Elbrus> nenon: please read the message of this channel. it is not for support. Please use #ubuntu for that
[21:01] <nenon> @Elbrus sorry :)
[21:08] <Elbrus> np
[21:21] <DrKenobi> Hi! I found this, and I think is not a but, could someone confirm it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/368734
[21:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 368734 in ubuntu "want to restore computer to factory settings (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[21:40] <charlie-tca> DrKenobi: does not look like a bug here.
[21:41] <DrKenobi> charlie-tca, ok, I'm new here, I just wanted to be sure. I also don't think it's a bug. Thanks!
[21:42] <charlie-tca> You are doing great! Thanks for helping
[21:44] <DrKenobi> ;-)
[23:45] <DrKenobi> Hi! I'm not sure, but maybe this could be a wishlist, keep in mind I'm new here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/374231
[23:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 374231 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "can't change default file browser (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed]


[07:59] <mpt> Another day, another message from Launchpad telling me that someone I’ve never heard of has given me access to their PPA
[08:00] <mpt> Does Launchpad let you personalize the message when you give someone PPA access?
[11:29] <steve> hello #launchpad
[11:30] <steve> just wondering if somebody can clarify/confirm some unexpected behaviour for me please
[11:30] <steve> i was looking at bug on ubuntu launchpad earlier, and (accidentally) changed it from public to private
[11:30] <steve> (i changed it back)
[11:30] <steve> but it struck me as odd that i could do this, given it wasn't my bug
[11:30] <steve> is that meant to happen?
[11:41]  * mdeslaur is interested in hearing answer also
[12:26] <wgrant> steve, mdeslaur: It is intentional, and useful in emergencies.
[12:26] <wgrant> It should certainly be much harder to do accidentally.
[12:27] <steve> wgrant: interesting, thanks for the reply
[12:27] <steve> wgrant: to be fair, it was pretty easy to revert once i'd done it the first time ;-)
[12:27] <steve> but it did leave an embarrassing log in the bug
[12:27] <wgrant> Indeed.
[12:28] <wgrant> Accidental changes are unfortunate, but less unfortunate than having something be public that shouldn't be while you find someone who has perms to make it private.
[12:28] <mdeslaur> wgrant: so who is allowed to switch it back, anyone who is subscribed, or just the person who made it private?
[12:28] <steve> that makes good sense
[12:28] <wgrant> mdeslaur: Anyone who can see the bug can change its privacy.
[12:28] <mdeslaur> ah, sounds good
[12:28] <mdeslaur> thanks wgrant
[12:29] <mdeslaur> thanks steve for bringing it up
[12:29] <steve> mdeslaur: thanks for your help, sorry for tainting your bug history ;-)
[12:29] <mdeslaur> hahaha
[12:29] <mdeslaur> I FEEL DIRTY!
[12:29] <steve> hehe :)
[15:58] <tgm4883> What does "failed to upload" mean on a LP build?
[15:59] <tgm4883> https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/ubuntu/fixes-building/+build/7350066
[16:01] <maxb> it means look at the uploadlog for more info
[16:01] <cjwatson> in this case it looks like it coincided with a librarian outage
[16:01] <cjwatson> I suggest just retrying the build
[16:02] <tgm4883> cjwatson: will do
[22:58] <dreamcat4^> help. this is blocking me from tracking master branch ---> http://awesomescreenshot.com/0294upi646
[22:59] <dreamcat4^> i need launchpad to take code direct from github, for daily builds PPA (create .deb file)
[23:04] <cjwatson> dreamcat4^: Judging from the failure log in https://launchpad.net/~adamsutton/tvheadend/git, the other end has used submodules at some point in its history so it isn't going to work anyway.  The most practical answer is likely to be to wait until Launchpad has Git mirroring and recipe support ...
[23:11] <dreamcat4^> cjwatson: thanks for investigating this.... so what if i could convince the tvheadend dev to re-push tvheadend without the submodules in it's git history ?
[23:12] <cjwatson> dreamcat4^: That's very unlikely, since it would require everyone to rebase.  (And TBH I think it would be an unreasonable request.)
[23:12] <cjwatson> That sort of thing is very disruptive in Git.
[23:12] <dreamcat4^> cjwatson: ok. so do you have any estimate / timescale when launchpad may get it's new git mirroring and recipe support ?
[23:13] <cjwatson> dreamcat4^: We should be rolling out native Git support by the end of this month, hopefully.  Mirroring and recipes will take a little longer and I don't have specific estimates for those, but they're not that difficult once the core stuff is in place.
[23:14] <cjwatson> dreamcat4^: Of course you don't actually *need* recipes, they're just a convenience to have Launchpad automatically assemble the source package for you.
[23:14] <cjwatson> dreamcat4^: But I can see that if you're trying to do daily builds they would be pretty useful.
[23:15] <dreamcat4^> cjwatson: ok. yes indeed that is the case. i could look into google compute engine (to build deb and upload it to LP)... but it's significantly more complex than doing a recipe
[23:16] <cjwatson> Indeed.
[23:16] <dreamcat4^> cjwatson: and not entirely sure i want to put my LP login credentials into some GCE config file
[23:16] <dreamcat4^> not that i've even looked into GCE yet.
[23:19] <cjwatson> No, quite.  I wouldn't.
[23:22] <dreamcat4^> cjwatson: there are also post-commit webhooks on github. they can POST to a public URL, whenever new commits get pushed up to github
[23:25] <cjwatson> Aware, yes