[07:01] <Crankeye> DDoS = Distrubted Denial Of Service
[07:01] <vipaca> apt-get install tomcat does nothing either
[07:01] <DBO> DDoS = Distributed Denial of Service
[07:01] <DBO> doh
[07:01] <Eleaf> nalioth, sorry
[07:01] <simple1> Eleaf maybe someone in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:01] <Crankeye> basically more than one computers are hitting you with packets
[07:01] <Eleaf> Crankeye, ye ye.
[07:01] <Crankeye> alright simplel im checkin my x and ill i get are a few warndins
[07:02] <Crankeye> Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
[07:02] <Crankeye> Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.Z" already registered at priority 0
[07:02] <Crankeye> could these maybe be the problem...?
[07:02] <carthik> vipaca, http://www.google.com/search?q=tomcat+on+ubuntu
[07:02] <carthik> vipaca, dunno which of the results is closest to what you are looking for, but there are answers out there
[07:02] <vipaca> Yeah I used google to search this topic
[07:03] <vipaca> these links are no good
[07:03] <vipaca> no installatio information
[07:03] <kuja> My "Print Screen" button doesn't take a screenshot anymore :P
[07:03] <vipaca> that why I'm here
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> kuja,  egads! the Horror!
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:04] <vipaca> I followed those links
[07:04] <kuja> I'm trying to get a screenie of compiz in action, but it'd be faster if the button would work -_-
[07:04] <carthik> kuja, you might have to setup a keybinding to do that, then
[07:04] <vipaca> how do I search the repository
[07:04] <simple1> vipaca tomcat doesn't seem to be supported by ubuntu at all.
[07:04] <kuja> vipaca: apt-cache search <term>
[07:04] <vipaca> that does seem to be the case
[07:04] <simple1> vipaca apt-cache search <blah>
[07:04] <carthik> kuja -> system->pref->keyboard shortcuts
[07:04] <kuja> carthik: Thank you
[07:06] <kuja> carthik: Apparently it's already set to that key.
[07:06] <x86-64> anyone here know if there's any reported bugs/issues with ubuntu 5.10 and loading gnome 2.12?
[07:06] <simple1> kuja i'm lagging just a little, it's uncanny; we typed almost the same thing... :)
[07:06] <kuja> =)
[07:07] <kuja> simple1: print screen key not working on compiz?
[07:07] <vipaca> I got it apt-get libapache2-mod-jk2
[07:07] <simple1> kuja might in a gui ?
[07:07] <simple1> it seems to be  sys-rq  in cli
[07:08] <carthik> x86-64, have you tried looking at the error logs for x, gdm etc?
[07:08] <simple1> s/cli/console/
[07:08] <carthik> x86-64, they must be in /var/log/
[07:08] <x86-64> carthik: nope, not as of yet, but I will now :)
[07:08] <x86-64> thanks
[07:08] <carthik> x86-64, try starting x using startx from a console terminal and see what you get by way of info regarding why it does not start properly
[07:09] <x86-64> ok, kewl
[07:09] <carthik> x86-64, of course, it is entirely possible that it is just the panels that are not starting up fine, if the problem is that gnome does not start
[07:09] <simple1> -:- SignOff x86-64: #ubuntu ("Leaving"
[07:10] <carthik> does not seem to start, that is
[07:11] <harisund> How do you mount a CD  ROM so that programs on the CD rom can be executed?
[07:12] <Crankeye> well i think i found the problem
[07:12] <simple1> harisund mount /dev/<cdrom_inode> /<mountpoint> -o exec    ?
[07:12] <Crankeye> if anyone has the smae problem tell them to add Option "NvAGP" "0" to there xorg.conf
[07:12] <simple1> !nvidia
[07:13] <ubotu> hmm... nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[07:13] <simple1> you could check ^ there and if needed update it.
[07:13] <solo> any one know how to install driver for wireless adapter zd1211?
[07:13] <simple1> !wifi
[07:13] <ubotu> from memory, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[07:14] <simple1> check that solo ^
[07:14] <solo> right
[07:15] <Se7h> irc is all very quite
[07:15] <blrich> can someone tell me what the abi-<kernelversion> files are in /boot/?
[07:16] <crimsun> blrich: they're indicators of the versions of exported symbols
[07:17] <simple1> it's of passing interest, concerning the former conversation;  a DoS attack can at most push me off line, because of the speed of my dialup connection compared to the system speed....
[07:17] <crimsun> blrich: when any change, the abi is increased
[07:17] <simple1> i guess a fast inet connection has it's draw-backs after all.
[07:19] <blrich> crimsun, so the addresses of symbols in the kernel abi are exported into a list in the abi- files?
[07:19] <crimsun> blrich: essentially.
[07:19] <blrich> crimsun, what's the point, are they going to make a dynamic interface to the kernel or is the production of those files just part of the kernel build process?
[07:20] <LathropWells> users
[07:20] <crimsun> blrich: the latter. They're used to determine if an abi bump is necessary for packaging.
[07:20] <LathropWells> :x
[07:20] <intelikey> /users
[07:21] <intelikey> all 612 of us....
[07:21] <LathropWells> trying to show what processes are opened by each user.
[07:21] <intelikey> fuser
[07:21] <Crankeye> well bad news adding that line to my xconf did absolutley nothing
[07:21] <newbie> hi guys
[07:21] <LathropWells> Ah  - nice. - Thanks. :)
[07:21] <Crankeye> hey
[07:22] <newbie> can anyone here help me upgrading my gimp?
[07:22] <blrich> crimsun, ah, clever
[07:22] <blrich> crimsun, so is that something the ubuntu team have done, or is it part of the normal kernel build scripts?
[07:22] <harisund> hello people, I was just wondering what fps as reported by glxgears could be considered 'decent' enough?
[07:22] <crimsun> blrich: Ubuntu's kernel team
[07:22] <intelikey> LathropWells also of note   man ps
[07:22] <blrich> crimsun, this ABI is what everyone is talking about when they say 'linux has no stable driver ABI', i'm assuming
[07:23] <crimsun> blrich: no, completely independent of that discussion
[07:23] <blrich> crimsun, so the kernel and driver ABI's are separate?
[07:23] <crimsun> blrich: the acronym ABI as used here is a red herring
[07:23] <kRaKoN> I want to mount my palm on /dev/pilot .. is the command: sudo mount -t ??? /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot
[07:23] <kRaKoN>   .. ? is that right? what should i write instead of  " ??? "
[07:23] <crimsun> blrich: here it simply marks any change in exported symbols
[07:24] <Crankeye> k well if anyone knows anything heres my problem still: x crashes (gdm) crashes on startup i can restart it and go about my buiness
[07:24] <harisund> hello people, I was just wondering what fps as reported by glxgears could be considered 'decent' enough?
[07:24] <Crankeye> my xorg log shows Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.gz" already registered at priority 0
[07:24] <intelikey> mount something ON /dev/*    bad idea.   you mount the devices in /dev/   on /mnt/*
[07:24] <theBishop> has anyone been able to get BCM43xx wireless drivers working?
[07:25] <blrich> crimsun, okay, but those changes reflect changes in the actual ABI, which is the kernel... binary? the thing which object-code from binary drivers must compile against?
[07:25] <harisund> theBishop, if you are talking about Dapper, I believe they work out of the box, but in Breezy you might have to use ndiswrapper..
[07:25] <Crankeye> how do you check your fps with glxgeras
[07:25] <Crankeye> >_>
[07:25] <theBishop> Harisund: nope, not out of the box
[07:25] <blrich> crimsun, sorry for so many questions but i'm trying to research this topic at the moment and finding information about it is almost impossible
[07:25] <harisund> Crankeye glxgears -printfps
[07:25] <kRaKoN> intelikey but to sincronize with jpilot is must be there doesn't it? let me see
[07:25] <Crankeye> thanks
[07:25] <crimsun> blrich: no, they mark possible shifts in order/address, which is not the same as the API as used upstream by vendors/developers
[07:25] <harisund> Crankeye, this opens up a window, on which you see moving gears.. and in the terminal that you used it prints out fps every 5 seconds.
[07:25] <crimsun> s/API/ABI/
[07:26] <theBishop> harisund, i've tried using the firmware cutter, and i got the fw files in /lib/firmware
[07:26] <Crankeye> thanks
[07:26] <Crankeye> im getting about 185
[07:26] <Crankeye> nwo its jumped to 251
[07:26] <harisund> Crankeye, I believe that is low..
[07:26] <Crankeye> ahahhaahha
[07:26] <Crankeye> i have a vanta 16 mb card
[07:26] <intelikey> kRaKoN well maybe, i think if that is the case the code monkeys messed that one up tho.
[07:26] <harisund> Crankeye, here's the funny part, use the terminal window to cover the gears .. so that you can't see the gears directly
[07:27] <harisund> The terminal window should be on top of the gear's window, do you see what I am saying?
[07:27] <Crankeye> ahuh
[07:27] <kRaKoN> intelikey but what should i write instead of the " ??? " is a ntfs a fat32 what should i write there?
[07:27] <harisund> Crankeye, did you see it increase any bit?
[07:27] <Crankeye> yeah haha
[07:28] <intelikey> if it's ntfs  use -t ntfs   if it's  fat32  use -t vfat
[07:28] <harisund> quiet funny, don't know what that happens..
[07:28] <Crankeye> maybe because its not paintign to the screen
[07:28] <Crankeye> faster to update nothing
[07:28] <Crankeye> :D
[07:28] <kRaKoN> intelikey it is a palm pilot...
[07:28] <harisund> Yep, that's what I think too.. when painting on the screen, I get around 70mbps and around 1500 fps when it's not on the screen,
[07:29] <intelikey> kRaKoN try without a -t and see if mount can auto-detect the type
[07:29] <harisund> I think you are right through (Crankeye)
[07:29] <blrich> crimsun, okay, so: the kernel version changes, it gets compiled, this alters the ABI, differences between previous addresses and current addresses of various symbols in the kernel are recorded in the appropriate abi- file, this is used to check if binary drivers need recompiling?
[07:29] <harisund> I mean, 700 fps
[07:29] <kRaKoN> intelikey okah thanks brother
[07:29] <Crankeye> it would make sense.. i mean its only updating what going and it doesnt have to update the picture
[07:29] <carpediem> Anyone having problems with Dapper swallowing the CTRL key?  I've searched, but I'm not finding anything.  It was fine in Breezy.
[07:29] <blrich> crimsun, when you say 'exported symbols', i'm assuming you mean symbols in the resulting exported binary, the kernel? or something else?
[07:30] <Crankeye> but i dont excatly know what im talking about, just inferring
[07:30] <harisund> Right, so probably it calculates the fps in the background, which means the update rate is faster..
[07:30] <crimsun> blrich: you mean "the exported symbols change, their values get dumped into an abi-$(uname -r) file, ..."
[07:30] <Crankeye> yeah that would make sense
[07:30] <harisund> cool.. nice meeting ya.. got to go..
[07:30] <intelikey> carpediem the  "left"  ctrl    or both ?
[07:30] <crimsun> blrich: yes, changes to the symbol table, which mean a bump in the abi marker of Ubuntu's kernel
[07:30] <Crankeye> yeah you too
[07:30] <Crankeye> seeyah
[07:30] <carpediem> intelikey: it appears to be both
[07:31] <blrich> crimsun, okay thankyou for all this information, i think i'm beginning to understand more
[07:31] <carpediem> intelikey: CTRL-C/CTRL-V work fine, but everything else is just swallowed.
[07:31] <carpediem> intelikey: including CTRL-ALT-F1 etc....which really kills me.
[07:31] <intelikey> carpediem it's common for linux systems to not react like you would expect, to the right alt and ctrl keys  but normally the left ones work as expected.
[07:31] <Crankeye> hmm brb
[07:32] <carpediem> intelikey: I've been using Linux for three years....I'm more familiar with its key setup than anything else...this is abnormal, to say the least.
[07:32] <intelikey> carpediem yes.  if you can't drop to console, IT JUST AINT LINUX !
[07:33] <carpediem> intelikey: I can't even CTRL-ALT-Backspace in emergencies.
[07:33] <blrich> crimsun, so then: when we talk ABI, how many of them are there? there is an API for developers to writer drivers for the kernel - this doesn't change much i'm assuming. but the ABI represents the addresses of various function insertion points in the... kernel binary? is the driver abi related to the "kernel abi" whatever that might be? what ABI must drivers compile against, are we talking the kernel binary, a library, an object f
[07:33] <blrich> ile...? sorry if i seem unbelievably stupid, i'm just trying to get this straight in my mind
[07:33] <carpediem> Hobbsee probably tried CTRL-ALT-Backspace. ;)
[07:33] <intelikey> carpediem file a priority 1 bug on that and run for your life......
[07:34] <carpediem> intelikey: yeah, I think I need to....I was hoping it was known, but doesn't sound like it.
[07:34] <dextro_dude> ubuntu rocks ppl.
[07:34] <kakalto> ^-^
[07:34] <niki> dextro_dude, sure does :D
[07:35] <carpediem> ubuntu rocks as long as your rock isn't in mp3 format.  <eg>
[07:35] <dextro_dude> any idea which is the most lightest window manager other than fluxbox ?
[07:35] <kakalto> carpediem, why do you say that?
[07:36] <niki> i have no problem with mp3's :P
[07:36] <crimsun> blrich: the kernel API is _supposed_ to be stable, but it isn't. External drivers are compiled against the API. The ABI denotes an exported interface for binary-only modules. This is akin to the ABI that's used to determine whether Ubuntu's abi # [which is purely for packaging reasons]  needs a bump.
[07:36] <carpediem> kakalto: It's a joke about mp3s not working out of the box.
[07:36] <triceratops> Any idea where i wll find a binary of gnome dhcpd (packet gdhcpd) for breezy?
[07:36] <kakalto> raight, out of the box :)
[07:36] <newbie> how can i upgrade gimp on ubuntu?
[07:36] <carpediem> dextro_dude: any of the boxes are light.  XFCE is pretty light.
[07:36] <kakalto> carpediem, hehe, I assume nothing works by default :P
[07:36] <niki> dextro_dude, i like blackbox
[07:36] <kakalto> carpediem, windows doesn't even detect my sound card.
[07:37] <triceratops> newbie: may I ask which gimp and which ubuntu version
[07:37] <intelikey> hmm i got to playing around in 'nome and found another reason i didn't like gnome-terminal as well as konsole.  it seems that g-t has followed suit with screen on switching tabs   it's  [alt] +[#]    i never learned to like that.
[07:37] <kakalto> dextro_dude, there's quite a few box's, isn't there
[07:37] <kakalto> blackbox, fluxbox
[07:37] <dextro_dude> hmm. yet to try it. i'll try it 2nite. even flux is lagging on my PII system
[07:37] <blrich> crimsun, ah, cool, okay starting to see the picture
[07:37] <carpediem> intelikey: CTRL-Alt-Left and CTRL-Alt-Right still work.
[07:37] <kakalto> dextro_dude, wow, what's the gfx card like?
[07:38] <niki> dextro_dude, is it a laptop?
[07:38] <intelikey> kakalto icewm nice and light.
[07:38] <dextro_dude> blackbox and fluxbox are identical rite ?
[07:38] <niki> dextro_dude, not identical, no
[07:38] <Paralla1> Can I get a quick bit of help from someone?
[07:38] <newbie> triceratops, i mean gimp image editor on ubuntu 5.10
[07:38] <carpediem> intelikey: sorry, I meant CTRL-ALT-PageUp /PageDown.  For gnome terminal tabs.
[07:39] <intelikey> fvwm / twm    ultra light
[07:39] <kakalto> dextro_dude, my p2 handles gnome, albeit with a little struggle, and a decent (of its time) pci gfx card
[07:39] <newbie> triceratops, is there a way that i can update it?
[07:39] <kakalto> intelikey, doesn't twm come with x?
[07:39] <Paralla1> Is there a terminal/root/sudo command to view usernames on the system?
[07:39] <blrich> crimsun, so then concerning only binary drivers: these compile against an "exported interface for binary modules". is this interface a library, an object file, the kernel binary itself, or part of the kernel binary? since all binary modules seem to need to compile against a kernel source tree, i'm assuming it's some sort of object file that disappears when you remove the source tree?
[07:39] <dextro_dude> my gfx is ATI Rage II 4mb on AGP.
 intelikey: CTRL-Alt-Left and CTRL-Alt-Right <-- hehhe that's konsole  :)
[07:40] <triceratops> newbie: Ok, ubuntu breezy. And which gimp version would you like to upgrade? (From which installed one which new one)
[07:40] <intelikey> err actually just alt ><
[07:40] <carpediem> intelikey: Edit > Keyboard Shortcuts
[07:40] <niki> Paralla1, users wil list users that are logged on
[07:40] <intelikey> or not install 'nome :)
[07:40] <niki> i think...
[07:41] <Paralla1> Thanks Niki. The problem is that I'm at the GUI login and I need a common user name, being that the root is disabled.
[07:41] <triceratops> newbie: If you want to have a regular breezy update it may be done via synaptic.
[07:41] <intelikey> niki who  or  w
[07:41] <dextro_dude> lemme google out all the wm out there .. maybe i'll find a good one. ;)
[07:41] <darnell> !w32codecs
[07:41] <newbie> triceratops, i want to upgrade it to 2.2.10, coz the one that i have is gimp 2.2
[07:41] <ubotu> w32codecs is probably a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[07:41] <Francisco> I want to know whic one is the better browser for to use.."
[07:41] <niki> intelikey, thanks, thats the one i was trying to remember :P
[07:41] <Crankeye> anyone offhand know how to reset the wine configuration, i cant get my winecfg to run even lol
[07:41] <dextro_dude> Francisco : use firefox
[07:41] <carpediem> intelikey: that's your choice...I prefer gnome, but I understand why some people like KDE.  Everyone is different.  But, you can configure gnome-terminal's keyboard shortcuts to match your preference if you so desire.
[07:41] <kakalto> why is ubotu so unsure of things?
[07:42] <kakalto> "...probably..."
[07:42] <niki> ubotu rocks
[07:42] <ubotu> niki: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:42] <niki> lol
[07:42] <Francisco> dextro_dude, I want to suppor java like explorer for yahoo."
[07:42] <kakalto> niki xD
[07:42] <Paralla1> Anybody know how I can retrieve a non-root username from the command line?
[07:43] <Crankeye> i am without knowledge to where the wine configuation file is >_>;
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> retrieve ?
[07:43] <dextro_dude> Paralla1 : just save the trouble and reset it for ur user.
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> look in the /homes/ dir and see aht users are there?
[07:43] <triceratops> newbie: The latest gimp in breezy is 2.2.8. May be there is a backport of 2.2.10 somwhere out there in the wild. But you have to be aware that using backports may cause trouble in the long run.
[07:43] <Paralla1> Thanks, Dr_Wills.
[07:43] <kakalto> Crankeye, depends which version... recent wines don't have a specific file, I believe, it just has 'winecfg' as a configuration tool
[07:43] <mahmud> helo
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> or did you mean a non-root users password?
[07:43] <mahmud> i'm trying to instal dosemu
[07:43] <kakalto> mahmud, helo!
[07:43] <intelikey> carpediem yes "most" things in 'nome can be configured.   i find it easier to change things in kde.    but i am using fvwm95  for my gui now. so.....
[07:43] <mahmud> i've got problem
[07:43] <Paralla1> Well, I may need the password as well, Dr_Wills.
[07:44] <crimsun> blrich: no, modules compile against kernel _headers_, not the full source.
[07:44] <Crankeye> heh well i seem to have changed a setting to where i cant get my winecfg to work
[07:44] <Crankeye> :/
[07:44] <kakalto> :/
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> Paralla1,  you are out of luck with that part -  i imagine
[07:44] <mahmud> can any one on this help me
[07:44] <Crankeye> it to crashes
[07:44] <carpediem> intelikey: then obviously you aren't afraid to customize...because a raw fvwm is unusable.
[07:44] <newbie> triceratops, ok tnx for the info, is their a wiki on how can i upgrade my gimp?
[07:44] <kakalto> mahmud, well, it depends if you tell what your problem is
[07:44] <Paralla1> Well, the root password is saved in clear text in several locations, I'm not sure about a common (non-root) user.
[07:44] <intelikey> mahangu sudo apt-get install dosemu
[07:44] <Crankeye> oh and i am using the latest wine, i got it with synaptic
[07:45] <Crankeye> !info wine
[07:45] <ubotu> wine: (Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library)), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050725-0ubuntu1.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 14130 kB, Installed size: 55488 kB
[07:45] <whyami> Crankeye: what is the repo you are getting wine from?
[07:45] <Crankeye> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[07:45] <Crankeye>   Major opcode of failed request:  1 (X_CreateWindow)
[07:45] <Crankeye>   Serial number of failed request:  13
[07:45] <Crankeye>   Current serial number in output stream:  14
[07:45] <Crankeye> thats what happens when i run winecfg
[07:45] <mahangu> intelikey, eh?
[07:46] <triceratops> newbie: I would suggest upgrading to dapper. The gimp in dapper is version 2.10. I would asume that this wil be better than having a gimp backport for breezy. So for this it might be good to dig for information upgrading breezy to dapper
[07:46] <whyami> Crankeye: if you type wine --version, what response do you get?
[07:46] <Paralla1> My problem is that it has been a few days since I installed Ubuntu, and have just now got a good config for X Free 86 to work. I don't even know the name of the non-root account I created, and recall having problems with the Ubuntu installer accepting my password.
[07:46] <aaron> hey, do any of you guys know where you can download some product keys for some games on the internet?
[07:46] <intelikey> mahangu to install dosemu  type this in a terminal;  sudo apt-get install dosemu
[07:46] <triceratops> newbie: An other way would be using the live-cd of dapper until dapper gets released (june afaik)
[07:46] <niki> aaron, www.astalavista.com
[07:46] <mahangu> intelikey, i didn't ask to install dosemu. i use dosbox anyway?
[07:47] <Crankeye> Wine 20050725
[07:47] <Crankeye> whyami, Wine 20050725
[07:47] <blrich> crimsun, but binary modules? what is this driver ABI they compile against, where is it physically, is it a file, part of the kernel...?
[07:47] <mahmud> i run this command
[07:47] <mahmud> alien -i dosemu_1.2.1-3_i386.deb
[07:47] <mahmud> Must run as root to convert to deb format (or you may use fakeroot).
[07:47] <mahangu> aaron, please, this is ubuntu support, not #warez
[07:47] <newbie> triceratops, ok tenks
[07:47] <mahangu> niki, let's not encourage piracy in here, this is a FOSS channel
[07:47] <Crankeye> Paralla1, i belive you gotta set the password
[07:47] <Crankeye> sudo passwd
[07:47] <niki> oops
[07:47] <Paralla1> I need a user name to do so, no?
[07:47] <whyami> Crankeye: I'd really recommend you update to the binary of wine which wine is providing for breezy. To do this, add to /etc/apt/sources.list this line: deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ breezy/
[07:48] <Crankeye> that sets the password for the root acount
[07:48] <kakalto> mahmud, if you have synaptic set up properly, I believe that you should be able to simply go into synaptic and search for 'dosemu', then install it
[07:48] <andre> i've installed ubuntu here, and created a dual boot to choose beetwen winxp and ubuntu
[07:48] <Crankeye> whyami, thanks i didnt know i was missing that reposirtie
[07:48] <kakalto> andre, congratulations :)
[07:48] <andre> but when i try to start winxp, it says NTLDR is missing
[07:48] <andre> how i fix that?
[07:48] <whyami> Crankeye: add that line, do an apt-get update, then update wine. Then try again.
[07:48] <Paralla1> The root account is fine, I can use that from a command line interface, but I want to login to the "GUI" (I'm not even sure if I have KDE, or whatever the default was)...
[07:48] <mahmud> ok thank ..i will try
[07:48] <andre> kakalto, thanks =)
[07:48] <crimsun> blrich: modules compile against an API, not an ABI.
[07:49] <kakalto> andre, sorry :)
[07:49] <Crankeye> hmm
[07:49] <andre> kakalto, well, ubuntu is working fine, at least
[07:49] <triceratops> newbie: May I ask if you are an advanced linux user? If so I would suggest uprading to dapper.
[07:49] <Crankeye> Paralla1, try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:49] <crimsun> blrich: API (headers), ABI (exported symbol table)
[07:49] <mahmud> mr kakalto  i could not find dosemu package
[07:50] <kakalto> mahmud, sorry mate, I g2g, keep trying in this channel
[07:50] <newbie> triceratops, nope im a newbie, i dont think i would upgrade it
[07:50] <blrich> crimsun, but then, this means the kernel module API changes between say, 2.6.10 and 2.6.15? why is it that the nvidia drivers have to be recompiled every time you change your kernel? nvidia doesn't provide source code, just object files, so this can't be compiling against only a API?
[07:50] <intelikey> mahmud i mistyped your nick earlier as mahangu  sorry.
[07:50] <Paralla1> Crankeye, that got me to the login screen fine, but I can do that just by letting GRUB load the default Ubuntu entry. I need, at least, a user NAME.
[07:51] <andre> someone can help me with lilo and winxp?
[07:51] <triceratops> newbie: Ok, so using the live CD may be a way to have the latest gimp. It will only need some more weeks till dapper gets released.
[07:51] <niki> Paralla1, couldn't you boot into recovery mode and make a new user at terminal?
[07:51] <andre> when i try to boot winxp, it says NTLDR is missing
[07:51] <whyami> Paralla1: it would be the same user name you use from the command line.
[07:51] <aaron> does anyone know where I can get some product codes for games on the internet?
[07:51] <newbie> triceratops, ok i just w8 for that, tenks a lot
[07:51] <triceratops> newbie: You are welcome :)
[07:52] <Paralla1> When at the command like, I only use root@mobile. I don't know what the other user name is...
[07:52] <dextro_dude> hi every1, say hi to "moxshax" for providing me free server access
[07:52] <Paralla1> niki, I don't know how!??!?!
[07:52] <crimsun> blrich: you mean the kernel API changes, and yes, it has between 2.6.10 and 2.6.15. Vastly. You have to recompile the Nvidia drivers for each kernel precisely because there can be a change in the exported symbols (ABI). You have to compile the kernel-specific part so that the API matches the existing ABI. You're not changing the ABI at all, and neither is Nvidia.
[07:52] <niki> Paralla1, when you boot, at grub, choose recovery mode
[07:52] <niki> Paralla1, then use the adduser command (i think it's adduser)
[07:53] <niki> Paralla1, yeah, adduser
[07:53] <Crankeye> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ breezy/
[07:53] <bpont> i just marked mozilla-firefox for reinstallation in synaptic, which completed succesfully...however, when i opened firefox and went to help/about it list version 1.0.2...what's wrong?
[07:53] <Crankeye> whyami, deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ breezy/ something is wrong with that line
[07:53] <Paralla1> Niki, thanks. I hope that that will work.
[07:53] <niki> bpont, i think that's what version installs from synaptic
[07:53] <niki> Paralla1, good luck :)
[07:54] <bpont> niki: how do i get up to version 1.5.1?
[07:54] <whyami> Crankeye: why do you say that? What isn't working? I did a cut and paste from my own sources.list.
[07:54] <triceratops> Paralla1: niki: Dont forget to add the new user to group admin 'adduser newuser admin' So you will be able to use sudo again.
[07:54] <niki> Paralla1, yes, what triceratops said
[07:54] <Crankeye> >_>;;
[07:54] <niki> Paralla1, important stuff :)
[07:54] <Paralla1> Alright, will do. Thanks :)
[07:54] <niki> bpont, i got it using automatix...which i now know to be a no-no, so don't do it!
[07:55] <bpont> niki: no bggie...so you're saying just live with 1.0.2?
[07:55] <whyami> Crankeye: try this link for Wine: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[07:55] <Crankeye> whyami, well now it decied to work
[07:55] <Crankeye> i dont even know
[07:55] <niki> bpont, nah, there's a way
[07:55] <Crankeye> >_>;;
[07:55] <niki> !firefox
[07:55] <niki> !tell bpont about firefox
[07:56] <Crankeye> ahh thanks much whyami
[07:56] <blrich> crimsun, but that makes no sense, compiling a kernel with a changed API would change the ABI wouldn't it? the ABI represents the addresses of symbols in the compiled API, doesn't it?
[07:56] <bpont> niki: ok...so what do i do?
[07:56] <blrich> crimsun, man this is compicated
[07:56] <niki> bpont, read the PM you just got from ubotu
[07:56] <Crankeye> the first is working for me now and its updating
[07:56] <bpont> niki: OK
[07:56] <niki> bpont, that's how you do it :P
[07:56] <Crankeye> thank you much
[07:56] <whyami> Crankeye: is winecfg working?
[07:57] <dextro_dude> niki: u mean automatix is no good ?
[07:57] <Crankeye> ill let you know as soon as my wine updates ;)
[07:57] <niki> dextro_dude, from what everyone tells me, it's not the way to go
[07:57] <erikl> how do i get .mkv support for ubuntu?
[07:57] <tsw> !automatix
[07:57] <ubotu> [automatix]  unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> Friends dont let friends use Automatix.
[07:57] <niki> dextro_dude, see...even ubotu doesn' tlike it
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> Just say NO!
[07:57] <niki> i've unfortunately already used it :P
[07:57] <niki> but _now_ i know :P
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> Lol
[07:58] <crimsun> blrich: yes, a change in API affects the ABI. However, you're not recompiling simply against the chance of a changed API. You're doing so because different _ABI_s cause silent errors that are insanely difficult to debug.
[07:58] <Sir_Fawnpug> Back
[07:58] <Paralla1> Niki/Triceratops: I get a error after "Creating home directory" saying "chown 1000:1000 /home/nate: Operation not permitted" and then it cleans up the user areas created after the command was submitted. Is there a syntax to the command I'm missing (I used "adduser nate admin").
[07:58] <Paralla1> *?
[07:58] <niki> Paralla1, i usually just type adduser
[07:58] <Sir_Fawnpug> Anybody happen to use acer_acpi? I'm having problems getting the module to load on my Acer Aspire 3004WLCi
[07:58] <niki> Paralla1, then it steps me through the rest...not sure about your error
[07:58] <dextro_dude> thanks for the advance warning on the Automatix.
[07:59] <Paralla1> Oh, lol. Thanks.
[07:59] <intelikey> Dr_Willis you're no fun.   i think i'll take my dolls and go play some place else....
[07:59] <Paralla1> Similiar error, unfortunately.
[07:59] <niki> Paralla1, hmm
[07:59] <triceratops> Paralla1: I would first do an 'adduser newuser' then afterwards do an 'adduser newuser admin'
[07:59] <whyami> I have to manually restart cpufreqd every time I wake my laptop from sleep or hibernation? How would I automate this?
[07:59] <Paralla1> Niki/Triceratops: The error remains the same each variation.
[08:00] <erikl> how do i get h264 codec?
[08:00] <blrich> crimsun, alright then, so the ABI is altered only when the API is altered. so the only thing which will change the driver ABI is the driver API within the kernel having code changed. in that case, what and where exactly is the driver ABI? I know it's an exported interface, but in what form?
[08:00] <intelikey> why two commands triceratops ?   adduser -G group user
[08:00] <niki> i hate limewire
[08:00] <crimsun> blrich: you've already read about it. It's the exported symbols.
[08:01] <niki> i'm so uninstalling it
[08:01] <triceratops> intelikey: This will make 'group' the primary group of 'user' AFAIK
[08:01] <intelikey> or is that useradd i thinking...
[08:01] <niki> adduser
[08:01] <intelikey> must be useradd
[08:01] <niki> oh wait
[08:01] <niki> nvm
[08:01] <mahangu> where is the trash can on the filesystem?
[08:01] <mahangu> i mean location
[08:01] <mahangu> like /xxx/trash for e.g
[08:02] <intelikey> in useradd        [-g initial_group]  [-G group[,...] ]
[08:02] <bpont> niki: no offense, but what am i supposed to do with "niki wants you to know: well, firefox is a Free Software web browser that supports extensions and is gaining popularity by the hour. Developed by the Mozilla Foundation. For firefox 1.5, look at !firefox1.5  To use your mouse theme in firefox, see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78961"
[08:02] <mahangu> is there a site which explains the linux filesystem?
[08:02] <triceratops> Paralla1: What says a 'mount' command? may be your partitions are mounted read only.
[08:02] <niki> bpont, you could start by reading it and following it's directions
[08:02] <TheDracle> Lol.
[08:02] <whyami> mahangu: the trash is at ~/.Trash
[08:02] <Crankeye> secksy i found the problem
[08:02] <TheDracle> Is it really gaining popularity by the hour?
[08:03] <niki> !tell bpont about firefox1.5
[08:03] <TheDracle> By the minute maybe?
[08:03] <bpont> niki: it's about using a mouse theme in firefox...what's that got to do with apt-get install of latest firefox version?
[08:03] <Crankeye> whyami, i updated which was good buy wasnt my problem thanks though i would rather have the updated
[08:03] <niki> bpont, read the new one you just got from ubotu
[08:03] <Paralla1> triceratops: All of the /dev/<x> seem to be rw.
[08:03] <Crankeye> i edited the user.reg file in my home/.wine/ folder and changed desktopdoublebuffered to Y
[08:03] <whyami> Crankeye: I'm glad you are in business again. The update is far far *far* superior to the version you had.
[08:03] <Crankeye> and its all fixed <3
[08:03] <blrich> crimsun, but where do the exported symbols go? into a file? into a binary, a library, an object code file? where is it contained?
[08:03] <Crankeye> thank you much <#
[08:03] <Crankeye> <3
[08:04] <niki> love is in the aaaaaair
[08:04] <intelikey> man the syntax in adduser is Ugly !
[08:04] <Crankeye> haha
[08:04] <bpont> niki: OK, well now that's a different animal...however, i use hoary...will the info still apply to the release i use?
[08:04] <whyami> what does <3 mean?
[08:04] <Paralla1> Triceratops:My linux partition is ext3. A friend said that it is a bad choice for disk file formats... I doubt that would be significant here though, correct?
[08:04] <Crankeye> its a heart
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> Less then 3 :P
[08:04] <Crankeye> sideways lol
[08:04] <whyami> oh, duh!
[08:04] <intelikey> less than three ?
[08:04] <Crankeye> hahah lol
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> pv=nrt
[08:05] <TheDracle> Paralla1: I'm not exactly sure it's such a bad choice. It depends on what you're doing.
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> e=mc^2
[08:05] <whyami> Anyway, glad I was helpful, even though you solved your own problem.
[08:05] <intelikey> CO_2
[08:05] <Crankeye> haha you got me the upgraded version
[08:05] <Crankeye> thank you much <3
[08:05] <crimsun> blrich: the symbols are in the kernel. The table is exported as System.map. The listed of exported symbols per module is in abi.
[08:06] <triceratops> Paralla1: You are in recovery mode? What says a 'runlevel' command?
[08:06] <Paralla1> Triceratops:.... "unknown"
[08:06] <intelikey> i'm in runlevel 1
[08:06] <bpont> niki: ?
[08:06] <Crankeye> omg this version of wine p00ns
[08:07] <Crankeye> it actually works omg
[08:07] <Amaranth> intelikey: that's reboot
[08:07] <intelikey> no it's multi-user level here Amaranth
[08:07] <Amaranth> intelikey: sudo init 1 will reboot iirc
[08:07] <crimsun> (6 is reboot, normally; 1 is single)
[08:07] <intelikey> i only have  0 1 & 6
[08:07] <triceratops> Paralla1: If ext3 is a bad choice I would say using ntfs for Win-XP would be a bad choice too. Using ext3 _is_ a good choice. Beleve me...
[08:08] <intelikey> Amaranth no it wont.
[08:08] <crimsun> (intelikey has modified his runlevels; we've been over this)
[08:08] <intelikey> 1 is single  by default
[08:08] <triceratops> Paralla1: 'unknown' is what I would like to see :)
[08:08] <Paralla1> Oh. Good :)
[08:08] <ckbk> hello?
[08:08] <Amaranth> crimsun: ah
[08:09] <ckbk> can anyone help me with dapper drake 6.06 open office
[08:09] <blrich> crimsun, okay then one or two last questions, sorry, thankyou for all this info so far -- when you get the latest nvidia binary driver or whatever, what form does it come in? object code, or pure source?
[08:09] <frank23> how do I disable ssh access to a specific user?
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> frank23,  Hmm..
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> you want them to still login however?
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> but not ssh in? or not ssh out?
[08:09] <ckbk> please help i updated the unofficial way from 5.10 to 6.06 and now open office doesnt work
[08:10] <ablyss> frank23, edit /etc/hosts.deny add "sshd : <ip_of allow users> : allow"
[08:10] <sfar> ubotu, tell ckbk about dapper
[08:10] <frank23> Dr_Willis: its a dummy user for a program
[08:10] <intelikey> but init 1  is not reboot   that is  init 6    on a default system Amaranth.   init 0 is halt     init 1 is single user (sulogin)    on all default *nix's
[08:10] <crimsun> blrich: both. It contains a small glue portion that you have to compile against your kernel kernels. The binary-only object code is obfuscated code that's internal to Nvidia (think IP).
[08:10] <ablyss> frank23, the ip can be in a range too, e.g., 192.168.*.*
[08:10] <triceratops> Paralla1: Are you able to edit the '/etc/passwd' file? Use vi, nano, mcedit or which editor you prefer.
[08:11] <intelikey> i have had as few as two runlevels and as many as twelve.
[08:11] <Paralla1> I wish I new how to use those... I'll see if I can get any of those to work.
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> frank23,  you can totally block any logging in by that dummyuser. by setting their shell to '/bin/false' i think
[08:11] <niki> bpont, sorry
[08:11] <frank23> Dr_Willis: yeah that would be the idea
[08:12] <ablyss> frank23, /etc/hosts.allow and hosts.deny are virtually the same file.. only thing is hosts.allow gets checked first, then hosts.deny.. but you can put whatever you want in either file i.e., allow or deny
[08:12] <niki> bpont, my bf is very sick, i'm gonna have to sign out...i'm sure one of the fine folks in here will help you out :)
[08:12] <triceratops> Paralla1: Using vi will do the job. Just type 'vi /etc/passwd'
[08:12] <niki> g'night all :)
[08:12] <frank23> Dr_Willis I do that in /etc/passwd   ok
[08:12] <blrich> crimsun, okey-doke, so they include source that will compile against the latest kernel driver API, which will then provide an ABI/library/something to it's own object-code, which can then be linked against that?
[08:12] <frank23> ablyss: I'll just deby logins completely
[08:12] <crimsun> blrich: don't think of Nvidia's binary-only blob as ABI. Just don't. It has nothing to do with it.
[08:12] <intelikey> block their passwd.
[08:13] <ablyss> frank, i run a cron job to check for string on my server to add my IP so i can remote ssh to my server anywhere in the world.. pretty secure
[08:13] <intelikey> passwd -l user
[08:14] <frank23> ablyss: how does your server know your IP?
[08:14] <volcom_b0i> does anyone know if airsnort will work with a wireless card using ndiswrapper to get its drivers working?
[08:14] <ablyss> frank, unique string only i give the server e.g. myserver.com?unique_string
[08:14] <blrich> crimsun, okay, well, then in any case it's compiling against the changed API in the kernel -- so then if that's the case, why do people say 'the linux kernel needs a stable driver ABI so everyone can make binary drivers for it'?
[08:14] <xsquared> hi, how is it possible to install lighttpd under breezy?
[08:15] <blrich> crimsun, what part of the kernel would have to be stabalised for a major release for people to be able to build binary drivers for any sub-version? (eg. 2.6.x)
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> !info lighthttpd
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> !info lighthttp
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> Hmm :P
[08:15] <triceratops> Paralla1: If you open '/etc/passwd' via apt go to the line which has a ':x:1000:1000:'
[08:15] <intelikey> lighttpd ?
[08:15] <blrich> crimsun, windows can do it, so what it's kernel got that linux hasn't? is this to say window's kernel driver api hasn't changed since 2001 when xp was released?
[08:15] <Paralla1> Triceratops: Alright. It's open in vi.
[08:15] <yangchaojiao> sudo alien RealPlayer-10[1] .0.6.776-20050915.i586.rpm
[08:15] <yangchaojiao> Error executing "LANG=C rpm -qp --queryformat %{SUMMARY} RealPlayer-10[1] .0.6.776-20050915.i586.rpm":  at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Package.pm line 449.
[08:16] <yangchaojiao> why?
[08:16] <triceratops> Paralla1: Left of ':x:' there is the username of this user. It should be the first user youve created, and by this the user who is allowed to use sudo.
[08:16] <ablyss> sshd : * : deny will deny all attempts to your ssh server frank23
[08:16] <bpont> niki: uh huh...thx
[08:17] <xsquared> Dr_Willis, its in dapper, but i want to install it in breezy
[08:17] <crimsun> blrich: I have to get to bed, so I'll leave you with http://kerneltrap.org/node/6279
[08:17] <xsquared> Dr_Willis, i tried to install it from the package in dapper, but it requires two packages that arn't available on my system or something
[08:17] <Paralla1> triceratops: There is no ':x:1000:1000' that I can find. In the lower right corner of vi's output, there is a 2,1. Are there two pages to the output?
[08:18] <xsquared> Dr_Willis, Do you have any idea about how to install it?
[08:18] <intelikey> ablyss wouldn't it be better to kill sshd ?
[08:18] <triceratops> Paralla1: Sso what we will do now is deleting the password of this user. But first lets see how we may leave vi without saving the changes. It may be good if you made a editing mistake. I would say it will be easier than fizzeling around with vi commands in your state of experience...
[08:18] <ablyss> intelikey, not if you plan to use it ;-)
[08:18] <xerophyte> how secure is the webmin. . my clients need a web-based stuff so wondering how secure is the webmin is
[08:18] <volcom_b0i> intelikey: I am using wi-fi right now, I am asking if airsnort works while using it.  THanks though.
[08:19] <intelikey> ablyss if * is blocked you can't use ?
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> xsquared,  go download the source. and start compiling?
[08:19] <blrich> crimsun, thanks for all the info =)
[08:19] <triceratops> Paralla1: Uuups, so the file is empty? You should see a lot of lines containing usernames...
[08:19] <intelikey> ablyss so sudo /etc/init.d/ssh stop    would be what i would use.
[08:19] <ablyss> intelikey, allow "me" deny "everyone else" will work
[08:19] <triceratops> Paralla1: What does a 'ls -l /etc/passwd' say?
[08:20] <intelikey> ablyss yes.   but deny *  gets you too don't it ?
[08:20] <Paralla1> triceratops: Where do I input that command? I'm still in vi. I don't know how to exit..
[08:20] <ablyss> intelikey, no
[08:20] <triceratops> Paralla1: Leave vi by typing ':q!'
[08:20] <intelikey> ablyss oh.
[08:20] <yangchaojiao> I need help
[08:20] <yangchaojiao>  sudo alien RealPlayer-10[1] .0.6.776-20050915.i586.rpm
[08:20] <yangchaojiao> Error executing "LANG=C rpm -qp --queryformat %{SUMMARY} RealPlayer-10[1] .0.6.776-20050915.i586.rpm":  at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Package.pm line 449.
[08:21] <triceratops> Paralla1: This always will leave vi without saving the changes.
[08:21] <Paralla1> Okay. That worked without a problem.
[08:21] <frank23> !realplayer
[08:21] <ubotu> I guess realplayer is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:21] <triceratops> Paralla1: Ok, so now do a 'ls -l /etc/passwd'
[08:22] <ablyss> intelikey as long as you put "me" first that is before the line "deny everyone else" your okay
[08:22] <Paralla1> '-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1194 Mar 29 20:01 /etc/passwd'
[08:22] <Paralla1> That is the only line of output.
[08:22] <intelikey> ablyss ok, then it's a first read priority.   i see.
[08:23] <ablyss> the file(s) are read line by line, hosts.allow then hosts.deny.. which comes first is prioritzed
[08:23] <triceratops> Paralla1: Ok, fine now do a ' vi /etc/passwd ' (you may use cut and paste from this window to avoid mistyping ;-)
[08:23] <Paralla1> (I'm interfacing with Ubunut on a serperate machine0
[08:23] <frank23> Paralla1: you can use nano instead of vi too. more intuitive
[08:23] <triceratops> Paralla1: Do you see a lot of users listed now?
[08:24] <Paralla1> triceratops: Yes.
[08:24] <triceratops> frank23: Ok, but I'm not to familiar with nano, so it may be a better idea to use vi in the moment
[08:24] <intelikey> never do a rm /etc/passwd*    and reboot.....
[08:25] <triceratops> Paralla1: So you can search for certain strings in vi by typing '/searchedstring'. Try a '/1000'
[08:25] <triceratops> Paralla1: This should bring you to the right line
[08:26] <Paralla1> e486: Pattern not found: 1000
[08:27] <Paralla1> triceratops: I hope I noted this earlier, but the mount returned  "(rw,error=ro, etc)" as part of its output...
[08:27] <triceratops> Paralla1: Weird, really. No line which has a 1000? This would say that you haven't created a user during the installation.
[08:27] <Sir_Fawnpug> Parallal, oyu know what VI stands for, right?
[08:27] <pierre-> how can i assign some hotkey (in Gnome) to the console command?
[08:28] <triceratops> Silencer: vi = Very Intuitive :-))
[08:28] <Paralla1> Visual? (Says the Wiki).
[08:28] <intelikey> or 6
[08:28] <triceratops> Paralla1: Hhhm, is your /etc a seperate partition?
[08:28] <Sir_Fawnpug> Paralla1, Virtually Impossible.
[08:29] <triceratops> Sir_Fawnpug:  vi = Very Intuitive :-))
[08:29] <Paralla1> triceratops: I don't believe so. If I re-inserted my install disc, could I get back to the user setup from the installation menu? Would reinstalling be more advisable at this point?
[08:29] <slack_prad> vi = very intriguing :)
[08:29] <LathropWells> vi = very infuriating. - heh
[08:29] <Sir_Fawnpug> vim = virtually impossible, improved.
[08:29] <LathropWells> lol
[08:30] <intelikey> hey that's hard to set up.    mount blah on /etc  can be done but it aint so easy as it looks.
[08:30] <Sir_Fawnpug> Anybody here have an acer laptop?
[08:30] <Sir_Fawnpug> I'm trying to get the function buttons going so I can get my wireless up, and acer_acpi doesn't feel like cooporating.
[08:30] <sfar> Sir_Fawnpug, thats "vii" :<
[08:30] <triceratops> Paralla1: If it is a fresh installation it might be better to do a new installation than fizzeling arround for hours and hours. Not to forget doing installation more frequently will skill you too :-))
[08:31] <Paralla1> Alright. Thanks for all of your help, triceratops. I hope this THIRD installations goes better. Night all.
[08:31] <LathropWells> Is it possible to reconcile the kernel compiled with gcc 3.4 and the nvidia binary drivery compiled with gcc 4.0/ - does enabling the option mentioned during install actually make the driver work?
[08:31] <LathropWells> (i had a tough go of it.0
[08:31] <intelikey> Paralla1 just before you reload, may i ask what the problem is ?
[08:32] <triceratops> intelikey: Don't use seperate partitions for /etc if you are not a very experienced linux user. You may run into a lot of problems in the end...
[08:32] <Paralla1> The Ubuntu installation didn't right my submitted username and password to /etc/passwd during the install.
[08:32] <Paralla1> Now I cannot adduser from the terminal/command line in recovery mode.
[08:32] <Paralla1> Hence, I cannot login into Ubuntu.
[08:32] <Sir_Fawnpug> intelikey, I've always tried to figure out how exactly you might do that
[08:33] <Paralla1> Unless I use root from the command line.
[08:33] <intelikey> Paralla1 you are not mounted ro are you ?
[08:33] <Sir_Fawnpug> I thought it was a good idea until I realized the mounter has to know where /etc/fstab is to mount /etc
[08:33] <Paralla1> my ext3 is, yes. There was an error on mounting, I guess.
[08:33] <triceratops> Paralla1: I would asume this is because you use a seperate partition for /etc. Try doing an installation not in expert mode if you are new to linux.
[08:34] <Paralla1> I had no choice from expert, simple, etc. The ext3 partitions mounts with (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[08:34] <intelikey> Paralla1 do a  mount -o remount,rw /  then useradd -G admin <username>
[08:35] <triceratops> Paralla1: Is there a Linux User Group near to your residence? I always vote for getting in contact to a LUG, you will find a lot of assistance there.
[08:35] <Paralla1> I've got two friends who are very experianced Linux users, but it's 1:30 AM here.
[08:36] <Paralla1> intelikey, that didn not change the result.
[08:36] <triceratops> Paralla1: Hhm, this may be because of a harddisk error. Do you have a harddisk testing floppy to perform a diskcheck?
[08:36] <Paralla1> triceratops: Nope.
[08:36] <intelikey> still ro ?
[08:36] <Paralla1> Yes.
[08:36] <intelikey> eeek.
[08:36] <Paralla1> I'm going to try some other things during install. Thanks all. I really need to get going.
[08:36] <triceratops> Paralla1: Such errors like yours are often caused due to harddisk failures. May I ask what kind and type of hd it is?
[08:37] <intelikey> fsck.ext3 /dev/<your_partition>   maybe and see why you cant mount cleanly.
[08:37] <intelikey> mount   can tell you the device
[08:37] <intelikey> or fdisk -l
[08:38] <triceratops> intelikey: If it is a fresh installation it is very unlikly having such messages whithout a harddisk problem. I don't think it is a filesystem related error in his case.
[08:38] <intelikey> triceratops not being able to useradd is  fs related.  he's mounted  / ro
[08:39] <cmatheson> i've always used the 'imap_force_ssl' parameter in my .muttrc so that i could use secure imap... in dapper it says 'imap_force_ssl: unknown variable', i can't find an equivalent option in the man page, any ideas?
[08:39] <intelikey> what the cause is.   it would be better to find out now and reload later than reload on a bad disk.
[08:41] <intelikey> well better  imo
[08:41] <triceratops> intelikey: Shure, fullack. But having fs errors in a fresh installation is most likely a harddisk problem. So I wouldn't expect too much running a fsck for the long run. Isn't it?
[08:42] <intelikey> triceratops well i have had the hoary installer leave my new ext2/3 fs hosed but could fix it and then no errors.... so idk    </shrugs>
[08:44] <triceratops> intelikey: Really? Strange, never had this before during an installation and it was no harddisk problem. In the long run all this disks died.
[08:44] <intelikey> triceratops i just find it easier "MOST" of the time to fix something, than to reload it five times and then fix it.
[08:44] <intelikey> triceratops i'm using it right now....
[08:44] <DBO> what is the max RAM ubuntu supports with the 386 kernel?
[08:45] <intelikey> 2g is it ?
[08:45] <DBO> that would be perfect
[08:45] <intelikey> or is that the 686 ?
[08:45] <intelikey> hehhe i have 96m  why am i answering......
[08:45] <DBO> well I have 2 gigs in, but Im not sure how to check to make sure its all used properly
[08:45] <triceratops> intelikey: Sure, we do so. But a lot of novice linux users tend to do too much fizzeling during their first installation. Using expert mode, fizzeling arround with partitioning and such stuff due to my experience...
[08:46] <BlueHeron> DBO: mail me a gig i'll check for you
[08:46] <DBO> BlueHeron, would you!??!  You're such a pal!
[08:46] <BlueHeron> yep free of charge
[08:46] <DBO> let me wrap that up in some spare carpet
[08:46] <intelikey> DBO cat /proc/meminfo
[08:46] <DBO> just to make sure it has  a soft ride
[08:46] <BlueHeron> sounds good
[08:47] <DBO> intelikey, thanks
[08:47] <BlueHeron> send it to PO box 1337 @ dumbsville nY
[08:48] <intelikey> triceratops :)   i thought it was people that use linux a lot that fizzel  arround   (:
[08:48] <intelikey> what do i know.
[08:48] <triceratops> BlueHeron: What would you do if he rally will send you a printout of a 2gig file to your PO box? Could be tons of paper...
[08:49] <BlueHeron> triceratops: lmfao ..
[08:49] <BlueHeron> triceratops: i want him to send me his RAM
[08:49] <Storkme> how can i get the kernel 2.6.16-1-k7-smp so i can get the nvidia drivers working?
[08:49] <xnull> can I compile openssh on my ubuntu box?
[08:49] <intelikey> Storkme install dapper ?
[08:49] <triceratops> intelikey: Shure, but not in the beginning I would suppose. So at least I would'd suppose doing so... ;-)
[08:50] <Storkme> intelikey, what's dapper?
[08:50] <intelikey> xnull yes but why ?     it's probably installed already.
[08:50] <intelikey> !dapper
[08:50] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[08:50] <triceratops> intelikey: s/would'd supposewould'd suggest/
[08:50] <Madpilot> !ssh
[08:50] <ubotu> I heard ssh is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdvancedOpenSSH
[08:50] <xnull> intelikey: nope..
[08:50] <freakabcd> hi all
[08:50] <xnull> i got Ubuntu 4.10
[08:50] <triceratops> intelikey: s/would'd suppose/would'd suggest/ *grr* damned cutnpaste
[08:51] <intelikey> xnull well it's certenly in the repos
[08:51] <freakabcd> i have just installed ubuntu dapper flight5
[08:51] <intelikey> !info openssh warty
[08:51] <freakabcd> and i have the cd for kubuntu dapper flight5 as well.
[08:51] <intelikey> !info ssh warty
[08:51] <ubotu> ssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is standard. Version: 1:3.8.1p1-11ubuntu3.3 (warty), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
[08:51] <freakabcd> how do i setup that cd as a repository and install kde on my system ?
[08:52] <triceratops> freakabcd: You want to do a remote install via pxb or ftp?
[08:52] <intelikey> freakabcd put the disk in and run sudo apt-cdrom  ?
[08:52] <freakabcd> triceratops, huh?
[08:52] <freakabcd> i have the cd in my hands!
[08:53] <carthik> freakabcd, apt-cdrom add
[08:53] <freakabcd> intelikey, ok. that will install kubuntu for me? also last time my brother installed kubuntu n his ubuntu machine it replaced the startup splash with 'kubuntu' . i lie the ubuntu splash
[08:54] <freakabcd> s/lie/like.. damn laptop keyboards
[08:54] <holler> hello...im looking for an application i used a good while back, cant remember the name of it. basically it lets u setup a chatroom in one pane, and the other was a pane that allowed u to load code(ie c/c++/python/etc)...and u can invite anybody to collaborate with you on the code
[08:54] <KenSentMe> hi, can anyone tell me how i can add new fonts to ubuntu, i've copied some in the /usr/share/fonts folder but scribus doesn't recognize them
[08:54] <carthik> freakabcd, at http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/index.php?s=usplash there is a solution to restore the ubuntu usplash
[08:54] <intelikey> freakabcd no that will only add the cd to your sources list so you can install what is on the cd at will.
[08:55] <Madpilot> holler, gobby?
[08:55] <freakabcd> err.. ok. i'm a new ubuntu user. so i don;t really know what packages to install for kde
[08:55] <holler> Madpilot: that sounds like it...let me look it up..
[08:55] <freakabcd> other than the ones that look obvious to me (kde-admin kde-artwork, etc.)
[08:55] <Madpilot> freakabcd, kubuntu-desktop is the meta-package for the whole thing
[08:55] <carthik> freakabcd, you can install kubuntu-desktop to get the "ubuntu project" recommended/modified/adapted kde setup, and then follow the instruction to get back the ubuntu usplash
[08:55] <Blippe> freakabcd you install kubuntu-desktop
[08:56] <triceratops> freakabcd: May be via 'apt-get install kde'?
[08:56] <freakabcd> cool.
[08:56] <holler> madpilot: yes! thats it...thank you very much!
[08:56] <freakabcd> so i need: sudo apt-cdrom; apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:56] <carthik> freakabcd, added the cdrom okay?
[08:56] <carthik> yeah, sudo in both cases.
[08:56] <triceratops> freakabcd: But this will install (most) everything from kde
[08:56] <intelikey> freakabcd after adding the cdrom    sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop    if you want all the k-apps and theems   or   sudo apt-get install kdebase   for the minimum kde  and add apps as you lke.
[08:56] <intelikey> like
[08:56] <carthik> freakabcd, and before you install kubuntu-desktop, do an apt-get update
[08:57] <freakabcd> ok, i have the stuff like universe enabled.
[08:57] <Sir_Fawnpug> Anybody familiar with acer_acpi? I'm having trouble building a module that will load, and I have an Acer Aspire 3004WLCi
[08:57] <freakabcd> will it try to grab the(newer if any) packages from internet
[08:57] <freakabcd> ?
[08:57] <intelikey> yes
[08:58] <triceratops> freakabcd: the right order would be: 'add-cdrom' then 'apt-get update' and at last 'apt-get install kde'
[08:58] <intelikey> apt is queer that way at always trys to get the latest.
[08:58] <freakabcd> triceratops, just kde or kubuntu?
[08:58] <freakabcd> i mean kubuntu-desktop
[08:58] <mahangu> freakabcd, just get kubuntu-desktop
[08:59] <intelikey> kubuntu-desktop =  full load of kde       kdebase = all of kde but no add ons    like koffice  and theems and that junk.
[08:59] <triceratops> freakabcd: Good question. Both will do it. IMHO the recommended way is installing kubuntu-desktop. So you will have the full look and feel of kubuntu
[09:00] <triceratops> freakabcd: AFAIK kubuntu-desktop has a dependency to kde, at least it has a lot dependencies to kde-$whatsoever.
[09:01] <intelikey> kdebase - KDE Base metapackage
[09:02] <triceratops> As we can see there are a lot of ways to have kde installed. :-))
[09:03] <intelikey> hehhe doing urpmi kubuntu-desktop  says  "0 upgraded, 475 newly installed,..."   that's a lot of dependancies.
[09:04] <czbiao> asdf
[09:04] <czbiao> hello
[09:04] <intelikey> but urpmi ubuntu-desktop is bigger.   0 upgraded, 563 newly installed...
[09:04] <moxshax> 6c
[09:05] <intelikey> After unpacking 1135MB of additional disk space will be used.
[09:05] <freakabcd> intelikey, urpmi is there on ubuntu?
[09:05] <triceratops> intelikey: ?urpmi? $whatthehellisthis
[09:05] <intelikey> for kubuntu After unpacking 923MB of additional disk space will be used.
[09:05] <freakabcd> i like urpmi on my mdk machines
[09:05] <czbiao> how to install skype
[09:05] <intelikey> oh i told yall i customizzzed everything.
[09:06] <Hobbsee> !tell czbiao about skype
[09:06] <freakabcd> triceratops, yum->rh/fedora, urpmi->mdk, apt->deb
[09:06] <intelikey> yeah and i liked the way urpmi works  so...
[09:06] <triceratops> freakabcd: OK, I see. Never used mandrake so far...
[09:07] <freakabcd> heh.. i've used many many iterations of mdk
[09:07] <freakabcd> s/iterations/releases(even cooker)
[09:07] <intelikey> well don't try it now. i hear they really pooped in their nest when the name changed to mandriva
[09:07] <triceratops> freakabcd: Wasn't there a drakconf used by mandrake? Thats what I have in mind, from long lasting times ago...
[09:08] <freakabcd> well, i don;t have any mandriva machines. only some mdk machines :)
[09:08] <freakabcd> i was still using 7.2 on one machine when they announced the name change
[09:08] <moxshax> hmm.. Mandrake, my first love. :D
[09:08] <intelikey> yeah drakconf harddrak  mousedrak
[09:08] <freakabcd> harddrake mousedrake
[09:09] <freakabcd> why do you swallow the 'e' :p
[09:09] <intelikey> i spent them all eariler
[09:09] <intelikey> sorry
[09:11] <intelikey> i installed mdk9.0 on a lappy via floppy disks.    old lappy.
[09:11] <freakabcd> heh.. after apt install kubuntu-desktop df shows used space 2.1 gig to 3.3 gig :O
[09:12] <Madpilot> freakabcd, neither Gnome nor KDE are really small setups... :P
[09:12] <triceratops> freakabcd: What else did you expect? It's quite the same for all the gnome stuff which is installed for ubuntu.
[09:12] <freakabcd> no. just mentioning it.
[09:12] <freakabcd> although i will end up using e17_cvs on here anyway
[09:12] <intelikey> hmm oh you still have the deb's in /var/cache     do a  sudo apt-get clean      and then check.
[09:13] <freakabcd> i just love e :)
[09:13] <triceratops> freakabcd: If you would like a system which has a small footprint give xubuntu a try. It damned good since dapper
[09:13] <xstation> hi
[09:14] <freakabcd> thanks intelikey. came down to 2.9 now. thats nto too bad
[09:14] <radiodog> xstation: hi
[09:14] <intelikey> triceratops will it fit on a 500m disk ?
[09:14] <moxshax> quit
[09:15] <xstation> is there a gui where I  can look at other OS which are in the ext3 format
[09:15] <xstation> on the the same hard drive
[09:15] <triceratops> intelikey: Hhhm, never had a xubuntu installation alone so far. But it will be at least a lot smaler than the regular (k)ubuntu installation. May be you will ask for this on #xubuntu?
[09:15] <aeolist_> xstation, that made little sense, do you want a cpu emulator or something? qemu?
[09:15] <aeolist_> xstation you can just chroot to another system
[09:15] <aeolist_> and do whatever there
[09:16] <triceratops> intelikey: But due to the fact that xorg is a big bunch of apps I would say it will need more disk space even if you use xubuntu
[09:16] <xstation> aeolist: I want to acess the grub conf file on dev/hda1
[09:16] <xstation> I am in dev/hda3
[09:16] <elkbuntu> intelikey, use DSL for a disk that small :)
[09:16] <narg> intelikey: with a disk that small, I'd suggest doing 'server' and picking stuff yourself to keep as small as possible.
[09:17] <narg> intelikey: or what elkbuntu said!
[09:17] <elkbuntu> DSL really is incredible
[09:18] <xstation> I cannot acess /dev/hda1 because of a segmentation error so since /dev/hda1 has set up grub I need to access the conf file
[09:19] <xstation> aeolist_: any ideas
[09:19] <maxkelley> where are ssh logs in ubuntu?
[09:20] <Sir_Fawnpug> Anybody happen to know much about setting up the hotkeys on the Acer Aspire 3004WLCi? I need to get one of them working for my wireless.
[09:20] <aeolist_> xstation, umount /dev/hda1, fsck it and then mount it and go to /boot
[09:20] <vijay> hi all, how to connect via vnc to another system
[09:21] <vijay> another ubuntu system
[09:21] <neo_morpheus> any idea when dapper is expected
[09:22] <elkbuntu> !dapper
[09:22] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[09:22] <intelikey> hmmmm just got back and read all your "input"  :)
[09:23] <elkbuntu> intelikey, i have DSL installed on a 540mb disk, with a swap of like 128, and still space left over, so give it a go
[09:23] <neo_morpheus> are there any known issues of breezy with win98 ?
[09:24] <intelikey> dsl is ok.   i have ubuntu hoary installed on here right now, because it is a full system rather than... whatever dsl is.      oh and i have this hugh 96m ram so i don't use swap.
[09:24] <triceratops> elkbuntu: By DSL you are talking of ubuntu-server plus xubuntu-desktop?
[09:24] <neo_morpheus> it works fine with microshit XP for me
[09:24] <elkbuntu> DSL (damn small linux) is a full system
[09:24] <triceratops> elkbuntu: OK, damned acronyms...
[09:24] <elkbuntu> intelikey, http://damnsmalllinux.org
[09:25] <elkbuntu> lol
[09:25] <triceratops> elkbuntu: DSL, isn't epiaOS a derivate of DSL?
[09:26] <carthik> vijay, you need to have a vnc server running in one system, and connect to it from the other using tightvnc or similar. you can set up the server using system->administration-> and use tightvnc or similar. searching on google will yield better results than asking here :)
[09:26] <elkbuntu> triceratops, never heard of epiaOS, but DSL is a kneecapped debian
[09:27] <carthik> vijay, i recommend freenx, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX gives full instructions. I got it working for me using only those instructions
[09:27] <intelikey> elkbuntu i said, i know about dsl i have it here on cd.  and have used it some...   if i was going to install a linux on a 100m hdd i'd use dsl.  on this big 500m any flavour is fine.
[09:27] <carthik> d'oh, vijay quit sometime ago....
[09:27] <intelikey> :)
[09:28] <elkbuntu> intelikey, i was actually telling triceratops what DSL was just then
[09:28] <intelikey> i type slow.
[09:29] <RaphAstronome> Bonjour,
[09:29] <intelikey> kneecapped ?   ankletted maybe  :)
[09:29] <RaphAstronome> Oup, Hello !
[09:30] <elkbuntu> intelikey, it's excellent for the laptop i have it on, which has the whole of 16mb ram
[09:30] <frank23> !fr
[09:30] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:30] <intelikey> main problem is know the guy that did dsl....  nough said.
[09:31] <RaphAstronome> elkbuntu > ok
[09:31] <elkbuntu> o.O
[09:31] <intelikey> elkbuntu the lappy  'nec versa 80486' that i installed mdk8 on has 16m of ram and 256m hdd  :)
[09:31] <intelikey> err mdk9 ^
[09:32] <elkbuntu> mdk?
[09:32] <freakabcd> mandrake
[09:32] <intelikey> yup.
[09:32] <elkbuntu> ah
[09:32] <elkbuntu> dsl is at least current
[09:32] <intelikey> oh sorry thought you went back that far in our convo ^
[09:33] <triceratops> elkbuntu: epiaOS is a gentoo derivate for via epia boards
[09:33] <intelikey> like software needs to be the latest release on a 486....
[09:33] <elkbuntu> triceratops, yeah, i've gathered that from all this emerge talk in the forum
[09:34] <elkbuntu> intelikey, whatever tickles you ;)
[09:34] <maxkelley> triceratops: it's epiOS
[09:35] <Imsdle> my clock keeps going out.. its driving me nuts...  i have setup the sync to internet servers thing but it still don't work
[09:35] <elkbuntu> Imsdle, how far out?
[09:35] <Imsdle> HOURS!
[09:35] <intelikey> battery ?
[09:35] <elkbuntu> Imsdle, which ubuntu version?
[09:35] <Imsdle> its only 7.36.. its showing 9.36 now
[09:36] <triceratops> maxkelley: Thats why it needed me so long oogling for it... :))
[09:36] <Imsdle> how do i find that out.. i have no idea
[09:36] <elkbuntu> Imsdle, ubuntu version as in dapper, or breezy?
[09:36] <selinium> Imsdle, sounds like your battery is on its way out, need replacing real quick, can cause other problems.
[09:36] <intelikey> hmmmm minutes correct, hours wrong; timezone error ?
[09:36] <selinium> Imsdle, how old is your machine?
[09:36] <Imsdle> hmm ok i'll check it out
[09:36] <Imsdle> no time zone is right
[09:37] <elkbuntu> selinium, if you're aussie, join #ubuntu-au
[09:37] <elkbuntu> errr
[09:37] <elkbuntu> Imsdle --^
[09:37] <Imsdle> the sync now button on time/date isn't activeated
[09:37] <Imsdle> how do i get that to work
[09:37] <triceratops> Imsdle: What says 'cat /etc/adjtime'?
[09:37] <selinium> elkbuntu, :)
[09:37] <maxkelley> mmm.. epia
[09:37] <elkbuntu> selinium, talking in tooo many places at once :P
[09:37] <rixth> How would I go about using te S-Vide out on my laptop under linux?
[09:38] <Imsdle> bash: /etc/adjtime: Permission denied
[09:38] <maskd> lmsdle, use sudo
[09:38] <Imsdle> i did
[09:38] <Imsdle> im in root
[09:38] <triceratops> elkbuntu: That's real multitalking...
[09:38] <intelikey> Imsdle do a     ntpdate pool.ntp.org && hwclock --systohc
[09:39] <triceratops> Imsdle: Ok, so try 'sudo cat /etc/adjtime'?
[09:39] <rixth> I'm using the i810 driver
[09:39] <Imsdle> 30 Mar 21:39:51 ntpdate[19058] : the NTP socket is in use, exiting
[09:39] <elkbuntu> Imsdle, where are you from, please?
[09:40] <Sir_Fawnpug> Anybody happen to have an Aspire 3004WLCi? I'm having probems getting my wireless to scan the networks
[09:40] <intelikey> improper setup in  ntpdate.
[09:40] <triceratops> Imsdle: '30 Mar 21:39:51 ntpdate[1...' is not what I would expect seeing in /etc/adjtime...
[09:41] <elkbuntu> Imsdle, if you are australian, there is a time bug due to the delayed daylight savings time this year
[09:41] <intelikey> triceratops that wasn't from /etc/adjtime  it was from  ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[09:41] <Imsdle> im a kiwi.. in nz but using australian time servers.. might be the issue
[09:41] <elkbuntu> yes, it could be
[09:41] <Eleaf> kiwi!!
[09:42] <intelikey> akin to limey
[09:42] <Imsdle> catch you later guys.. thanks for the input
[09:42] <Imsdle> cya
[09:43] <triceratops> Imsdle: If the timeshift isn't growing I would say it is an argument for the delayed daylight savings time
[09:43] <intelikey> -:- SignOff Imsdle: #ubuntu ("Leaving")
[09:44] <rob> ?
[09:44] <intelikey> what it is rob ?
[09:45] <rob> whats the signoff thing?
[09:45] <maskd> he was just mentioning to triceratops that lmsdle was gone
[09:45] <xstation> hi
[09:45] <maskd> or she
[09:45] <rob> ah
[09:45] <xstation> where is the grub conf file normally stored
[09:46] <triceratops> elkbuntu: Would using nz.pool.ntp.org help resolving Imsdle's problem. Just for curiosity
[09:46] <elkbuntu> triceratops, no idea. i'm not even sure that's his problem since he didnt even know what version of ubuntu he was using
[09:46] <intelikey> xstation none
[09:46] <Selucresh> Hey guys
[09:46] <intelikey> xstation see /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:47] <elkbuntu> triceratops, i had a similar but unrelated problem using dapper, the timezone bug only affects breezy and older
[09:47] <maskd> hey Selucresh
[09:47] <fek> moin
[09:47] <triceratops> elkbuntu: So let's hope that the aussies are the only ones who fizzle around delaying daylight saving times...
[09:47] <xstation> intelikey: thanks
[09:47] <elkbuntu> triceratops, it was cos our govt delayed daylight savings for the commonwealth games
[09:47] <intelikey> triceratops no  pool.ntp.org hits random time servers all over the world.
[09:47] <triceratops> elkbuntu: I don't need to have this to be honest..
[09:48] <maskd> the bloke could have just manually changed it with set date and time, i dont see why he didnt
[09:48] <triceratops> intelikey: But didn't nz.pool.... give timesavers from nz only? So it is at least in Germany for de.pool...
[09:48] <elkbuntu> maskd, because it resets to the wrong time at every single reboot
[09:49] <intelikey> maskd but two hours off is not a daylight savings issue.  it looks like a time zone issue to me.
[09:49] <triceratops> intelikey: s/timesavers/timeservers/ Timesavers would be a good idea to have... *laugh*
[09:49] <maskd> oh ok, i wasnt here when he mentioned that it was 2 hours off
[09:50] <intelikey> triceratops :)
[09:51] <elkbuntu> intelikey, it could be a combination of bad timezone choice and also the daylight savings bug
[09:51] <intelikey> triceratops i don't see how using only local servers/savers :)  would help tho.  it still looks like a config problem.
[09:51] <intelikey> elkbuntu yes i agree.
[09:51] <triceratops> intelikey: Only if nz and au use different timezone / daylight saving time
[09:52] <aphasia^jstad> goodbye fedora, hello ubuntu
[09:52] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i'm in aussie, and the timezones seem fine here...not sure why
[09:52] <intelikey> triceratops but all time servers report gmt time don't they ?
[09:52] <elkbuntu> hobbsee only some people had the prob i believe
[09:53] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: ah ok
[09:53] <xstation> hi
[09:53] <maskd> gday
[09:53] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, why dont i see you in #ubuntu-au?
[09:53] <liable> why bother with a n -au channel?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: didnt know it existed
[09:53] <liable> out of interest
[09:54] <elkbuntu> you do now! *cracks a whip and herds you in*
[09:54] <xstation> looking into /dev/hd1 from dev/hda3 get this from command line  brw-rw----  1 root disk 3, 1 2006-03-30 08:14 /dev/hda1
[09:54] <xstation>  how to explore further
[09:54] <triceratops> Hobbsee: May be you are out of sync to your local time and are not aware yet. Which might be in a country as big as au and beeing somwhere in the outback. (yust joking)
[09:54] <elkbuntu> hobbsee, /whois me, you aint got nuttin on my list
[09:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:55] <rob> elkbuntu, oh? :P
[09:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:55] <elkbuntu> rob, i dont even -want- to see yours
[09:55] <maskd> you know.. ive never been to the outback
[09:55] <intelikey> xstation if you could reword that question, i might be able to answer it.
[09:55] <intelikey> ?
[09:55] <Hobbsee> triceratops: well, according to my watch, its the correct time
[09:56] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, it could have been a vic/nsw problem, qld/wa/nt/tas may not have been affected, i really dont know the intracate details
[09:56] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: it's only 1 more than yours, not that bad...
[09:56] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i'm in nsw
[09:56] <maskd> Hobbsee: Syd?
[09:56] <Hobbsee> maskd: yes
[09:57] <triceratops> Hobbsee: According to my watch I'm always in the office when I should be. But my collegues told me that I'm an hour late. So it was sometimes in the past. What says that a watch don't help if you miss the daylight savings time change...
[09:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:58] <xstation> intelikey:  yes your correct, I am trying to look at /dev/hda1 from /dev/hda3 you see I cannot boot into this partition because of a segmentation error I need to get at the grub conf file
[09:59] <jj__> hi
[09:59] <jj__> Where can I fild a bug report about KDE 3.5.2 ??
[09:59] <triceratops> Hobbsee: For this it is always good to have a long wave radio clock somwhere arround... (BTW this year I noticed that it got broken. Ive been an hour late to the office last week... (murpys law)
[10:00] <intelikey> xstation you do know that /dev/hda3 is the device node for, the third primary partition on your first ide master hard drive ?      so you need to   mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/    and work in /mnt/boot/grub/         i think that is what you are asking.
[10:00] <jj__> I mean for KBUNTU
[10:00] <Hobbsee> triceratops: ouch.  i've done that before - walked into work, an hour out
[10:00] <rixth> Adding "Option      "MonitorLayout" "DFP, TV" to xorg.conf made S-Video out work BUT there is no colours
[10:01] <triceratops> Hobbsee: What I would like to see is beeing honoured to be an hour early in autum. What till now never happened, and I've been an hour early in the past.
[10:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:01] <xstation> intelikey: yes you are correct I will try as suggested thankyou
[10:02] <lukasz> witam
[10:02] <lukasz> wie ktos moze jak zainstalowac
[10:02] <lukasz> jaki komunikator gg i tlena ?
[10:02] <intelikey> xstation if english is not your native language, it might help you also to try #ubuntu-<your_language>       just a thought.
[10:03] <bingogu> how can i put a shortcut of rabish bin on my desktop?
[10:03] <intelikey> like /join #ubuntu-es   for spanish speaking peoples.
[10:03] <xstation> intelikey: yes I will try
[10:04] <we2by> hi
[10:04] <maskd> bingogu: use synaptic to install gtweakui
[10:04] <we2by> what do I need to install to compile kernel and software??
[10:04] <intelikey> !b-e
[10:04] <ubotu> methinks b-e is no make ?  you need build-essential or if you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to do a    sudo apt-get install build-essential.
[10:04] <maskd> bingogu: Then go to Preferences > gTweakUI - Nautilus
[10:05] <we2by> ?
[10:05] <intelikey> we2by b-e   that's what you are looking for,
[10:05] <wangwei> hi, everyone
[10:05] <we2by> I want to reocmple the kernel
[10:05] <we2by> I need the develepment packages
[10:06] <bajek> which command I can display usage memory and cpu ?
[10:06] <intelikey> free
[10:06] <intelikey> cpu.... hmmmmm
[10:07] <maskd> bajek: gnome-system-monitor
[10:07] <maskd> that is if your in gnome
[10:07] <xstation> intelikey: it is saying at prompt  mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[10:07] <bajek> i mean " top " - but thanks :)
[10:07] <DBO> free doesnt seem to be terribly accurate for large amounts of RAM
[10:07] <we2by> when you compile a kernel on a amd 64. should I apply the same steps I used on a 32bit cpu??
[10:07] <xstation> ext3 but where at prompt is this inserted
[10:08] <triceratops> we2by: praat u duits? If so maybe the dahb (debian Anwender Handbuch) by Frank Ronneberg might be a good starting point. There are some chapters about building kernels the Debian way.
[10:08] <intelikey> xstation that's not good.   what type is it ?
[10:08] <intelikey> xstation use    fdisk -l /dev/hda
[10:08] <tepez> Anyone knows what is the page size on Linux/i386?
[10:09] <intelikey> memry pages ?
[10:09] <xstation> intellikey: it is ext3
[10:09] <tepez> yes
[10:10] <intelikey> xstation then you may not be root  or the  directory /mnt may not exist.
[10:10] <xstation> intelikey just a minute please
[10:11] <intelikey> tepez sorry i don't know.  maybe Hobbsee or someone does.
[10:11] <xstation> intelikey; /dev/hda1   *           1        2690    21607393+  83  Linux
[10:11] <tepez> is there any forum I can post my question on?
[10:12] <intelikey> mount sometimes blurts out some funny errors when it fails.      try  ls /mnt
[10:12] <TranceRiver> Could someone quickly run a shell script for me? I don't have access to a linux computer currently. To create a txt file and send it to me via email or DCC?
[10:12] <we2by> what do I need to install to compile kernel and software??
[10:12] <intelikey> tepez yeah ubuntu forums   look on the main page for the link.
[10:13] <xstation> intelikey : you mean mnt command is not installed or the /dev/hda1 cannot be mounted
[10:13] <TranceRiver> for i in `seq 1 14500`; do echo http://faceanalyzer.com/images/members/$i_rs.jpg; done > file
[10:13] <TranceRiver> could someone do that command and send me the product?
[10:13] <intelikey> we2by sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-source-<version>
[10:14] <mahangu> how can i make /media/hda5 writeable by all users?
[10:14] <jj__> Is it NTFS?
[10:14] <maskd> your trying to capture all the images of people's faces TranceRiver
[10:14] <intelikey> xstation no i mean the dirrectory/folder /mnt  may not exist.
[10:15] <TranceRiver> :). I do have a purpose.
[10:15] <TranceRiver> Could you do it and send me the txt maskd?
[10:15] <jj__> mahangu is hda5 ntfs or fat32  or what?
[10:15] <mahangu> jj__, fat32
[10:15] <xstation> intelikley: dmdm@xstation:~$ sudo mount /dev/hd1 /mnt/
[10:15] <xstation> Password:
[10:15] <xstation> mount: you must specify the filesystem type --what is other option if it does not exist
[10:16] <me2win> xstation, you aren't defining a file system type, what kind is it?
[10:16] <jj__> you'll need to have it mounted as rw, check your /etc/fstab
[10:16] <intelikey> sudo mount /dev/hd1 /mnt
[10:16] <xstation> me2win: do you mean it is a ext3 file system?
[10:16] <eth42> does anyone know what "usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71" in dmesg means?
[10:16] <eth42> this is the message that I usually get if I plug in my usb mouse...
[10:17] <mahangu> jj__, i edited fstab but havent booted yet. how can i do it atm?
[10:17] <me2win> mahangu, http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat
[10:17] <me2win> read that
[10:17] <mahangu> thanks me2win
[10:17] <me2win> its 2 lines of reading, solves all your problems :P
[10:17] <intelikey> xstation you can not mount /dev/hd1   no such device.   it is /dev/hda1
[10:17] <intelikey> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt
[10:17] <jj__> mahangu do a 'umount /dev/hda5' then a 'mount -a'
[10:18] <jj__> sudo in front of both of those
[10:18] <me2win> jj__, doesnt he only have to mount -a, it umounts and remounts them all anyway
[10:18] <me2win> or it remounts fstab
[10:19] <me2win> i suppose it doesnt matter anyway, lol
[10:19] <jj__> Not sure but I don't think mount -a unmounts anything
[10:19] <malv> it mounts everything
[10:19] <malv> in the /etc/fstab file
[10:19] <malv> man mount
[10:20] <jj__> I know.. but it doesn't unmount anything
[10:20] <xstation> intelikey: sorrey my mistake now what happens it just excutes the command and promt is back which means I thionk it is mounted?
[10:20] <C-O-L-T> there is no newer version of xmms which supports video too?
[10:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys? someone knows if i can get out the HD 20GB from my creative touch and use it as an external ?
[10:20] <intelikey> mount -a doesn't umount
[10:20] <intelikey> xstation yes  now you may access your files in /mnt/
[10:20] <me2win> i didnt mean to say unmount, i just meant remount
[10:21] <jj__> you said mount
[10:21] <s1> where do I change the preferred desktop to KDE from GNOME?
[10:21] <jj__> :)
[10:21] <mahangu> jj__, i had to mount as rw,umask=000 , but thanks anyway :)
[10:21] <mahangu> s1, you need to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:22] <xstation> intelikey : but at command prompt must I always use /mnt/ before each command is invoked?
[10:22] <jj__> yw mahangu
[10:22] <intelikey> me2win but it doesn't remount them either.  it only mounts things not mounted that are setup in fstab to mount automaticly
[10:22] <s1> mahangu: alright, and when I want to change back I emerge ubuntu-desktop?
[10:22] <mahangu> s1, emerge is a gentoo command afaik
[10:22] <mahangu> s1, you can switch between gnome/kde at startuip
[10:22] <mahangu> *login
[10:22] <intelikey> xstation no.   cd /mnt/boot/grub/
[10:22] <mahangu> s/startup/login
[10:23] <sfaris> s1, you can select "session" at login :)
[10:23] <intelikey> then you can just nano menu.lst xstation
[10:23] <s1> mahangu: sorry, you see where I come from... ;)
[10:23] <intelikey> if that is the target....
[10:23] <sfaris> so you can have both at the same time actually
[10:23] <s1> mahangu: alright, sounds easy
[10:23] <xstation> intelikey or use kedit
[10:23] <s1> mahangu: thank you!
[10:24] <intelikey> yes.  i was only giving an example. xstation
[10:24] <obontu> hello, any good mp3 tagging apps for ubuntu?
[10:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys? someone knows if i can get out the HD 20GB from my creative touch and use it as an external ?
[10:24] <intelikey> mp3 yuch !    use ogg.
[10:25] <Madpilot> obontu, EasyTag or Cowbell (I like EasyTag more, but try them both)
[10:25] <maskd> obontu: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03.html#id2526617
[10:25] <maskd> i'd use ogg, but then i couldnt listen to them on my ipod
[10:26] <xstation> intelikey: thankyou for time and help it is very kind of you
[10:26] <intelikey> you're welcome xstation
[10:27] <stamen>
[10:27] <stamen> hello
[10:27] <sfaris> hello dude
[10:28] <stamen> how can I get a kind of plugin for windows media player
[10:28] <stamen> and to play online movies
[10:29] <maskd> through firefox stamen?
[10:29] <stamen> in linux, they made the web site to play the movies with windows media player
[10:29] <stamen> ok
[10:29] <stamen> I will watch for plugin
[10:29] <stamen> thank you
[10:29] <maskd> if you can get the url of the movie, you can always play it with VLC
[10:30] <intelikey> !vlc
[10:30] <ubotu> I guess vlc is a video/audio player that supports almost everything - See http://www.videolan.org/ for more information (VLC is in the repos)
[10:30] <maskd> i love vlc
[10:30] <SKoRM> hey people, can any one hint me towards some way of speeding up ubuntu, im running it on a old laptop
[10:30] <intelikey> !botsnack
[10:30] <ubotu> :)
[10:31] <intelikey> drop the lappy out the window.... that will speed it up for a few seconds...
[10:31] <jj__> might be easier to use a linux distribution that has a smaller impact
[10:31] <maskd> SKoRM: try a distribution that doesnt use gnome
[10:31] <maskd> or kde
[10:31] <SKoRM> hmm
[10:31] <jj__> You could put the laptop on a jet.. that would speed it up.
[10:31] <maskd> SKoRM: xubuntu might work well
[10:32] <me2win> !xubuntu
[10:32] <ubotu> somebody said xubuntu was Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[10:32] <maskd> i couldnt get xubuntu to work properly with an old IBM
[10:33] <maskd> video was completely screwed
[10:33] <intelikey> SKoRM but seriously.  it can be trimmed to a lean system but turning off all the un-nesseccery stuff that starts at boot time and removing gnome and using xfce4 or fvwm  or the like.
[10:33] <SKoRM> ubuntu was the only distro i could actully get to run, most other distros fall on it :(
[10:34] <SKoRM> how can i remove uncessery stuff at boot time, havnt used linux for a very very long time
[10:34] <maskd> xubuntu should work if ubuntu works
[10:35] <stamen>
[10:35] <stamen> I found one plugin for media player
[10:35] <SKoRM> its under a init file or somthing aint it ?
[10:35] <stamen> but there is no version for Linux
[10:35] <intelikey> if possable even remove udev although you loose a lot of automation, automation is expancive.
[10:35] <stamen> I am searching in FF site
[10:36] <intelikey> stamen yes symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/  dirs.
[10:36] <jj__> mplayer is another good media player
[10:36] <stamen> yes, but how to make him to play the movies
[10:36] <croftyboy_30> I am having problems with macromedia flash on ubuntu 5.04,the flash programme comes up and there is no text on the screen like the font is the same colour at the background
[10:36] <intelikey> ooops SKoRM ^  not stamen
[10:37] <stamen> aa ok
[10:37] <stamen> :)
[10:37] <anstei> croftyboy_30: this looks like you don't have the fonts that flash uses
[10:37] <croftyboy_30> How would I find out the fonts it needs?
[10:37] <anstei> croftyboy_30: try downloading mstcorefonts from the multiverse repository
[10:37] <SKoRM> thnkz intelikey
[10:38] <croftyboy_30> Will i find that in the package manager , I am still quite new too linux
[10:38] <intelikey> SKoRM want a list of what i have running so you kinda know what is needed ?
[10:38] <SKoRM> is the normal init is 6
[10:38] <Madpilot> croftyboy_30, yes, it's in Ubuntu repos
[10:38] <rubso> hey guys, do you know how to share my connection to my Xbox 360?
[10:38] <SKoRM> yes please intelikey
[10:38] <Madpilot> croftyboy_30, search for corefonts
[10:39] <jj__> rubso, yes get one of those router/firewall hubs at the computer store
[10:39] <intelikey> SKoRM runlevel  will show what you are in now.
[10:39] <rubso> i have a router, and i'm connected to the ineternet by this wireless router, i want to share my internet connection from my PC to the X360 ..
[10:40] <jj__> rubso, a linksys WRT54GS is a good one
[10:40] <me2win> rubso: need a wireless adapter for your xbox
[10:40] <me2win> either that or jack it into a network cable
[10:40] <jj__> or use an ethernet cable from your xbox to your router, not your PC
[10:40] <intelikey> SKoRM you probably only want to mess with S and 2
[10:40] <croftyboy_30> its not finding anything when i do a search for corefonts
[10:41] <SKoRM> k thnkz
[10:41] <anstei> croftyboy_30: did you enable the multiverse repository?
[10:41] <intelikey> SKoRM i think everything listed there is pretty essential.
[10:41] <croftyboy_30> how do i do that sorry?
[10:41] <anstei> !tell croftyboy_30 about repos
[10:42] <stamen> please give the link for the mozilla plug in that plays windows media player files
[10:42] <stamen> I can't find him
[10:42] <LoCusF> !b-e
[10:42] <ubotu> b-e is, like, totally, no make ?  you need build-essential or if you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to do a    sudo apt-get install build-essential.
[10:42] <jj__> rubos, you can get a crossover ethernet cable to connect your xbox to your pc.. then enable ip forwarding on your pc
[10:43] <intelikey> flashplayer-mozilla - Macromedia Flash Player
[10:43] <intelikey> mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org
[10:44] <Hari> Hi
[10:44] <maskd> hey
[10:44] <intelikey> from you friendly apt-cache command.
[10:44] <Hari> I am new in ubuntu
[10:44] <stamen> ok
[10:44] <me2win> Hari: welcome
[10:44] <stamen> I will try now
[10:44] <Hari> new to linux2
[10:45] <J_element> where can i get my hands on the fstab file that automatically mounts vfat ( windows ) partitions
[10:45] <maskd> ubuntu has helped the learning curve thats for sure
[10:45] <Hari> I am running the live cd
[10:45] <geargolem> hello I apt-got blender 2.41 for dapper and I get this error; 'failure to allocate back buffer'
[10:45] <J_element> ubotu fstab
[10:45] <ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the diskmounter file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter  See <partitions>.
[10:45] <Hari> How can I find my Hard Drives?
[10:46] <intelikey> well Hari you need to format your hard drive  burn your cd's and get rid of every trace of linux in your possession.  cause if you don't do it now you will soon be hooked and never get away from it.
[10:46] <intelikey> !ntfs
[10:46] <ubotu> methinks ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[10:46] <intelikey> hari ^ probably what you want.
[10:46] <stamen> I cant find a such plugin there
[10:46] <stamen> give me a link if you can
[10:47] <Hari> Sorry but it is not like that.I wish it was
[10:47] <J_element> ubotu ndiswrapper
[10:47] <ubotu> I heard ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[10:47] <maskd> stamen, open up synaptic and search for mozilla-mplayer
[10:47] <intelikey> stamen do you have universe and multiverse setup in your sources.list ?
[10:47] <Hari> I am an advansed windows user
[10:47] <J_element> ubotu u rule :D
[10:47] <ubotu> J_element: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:48] <stamen> wait I will see
[10:48] <Hari> It is the fifth time I try to work with a linux.
[10:49] <intelikey> hari i feel sorry for you.  really i do.  that will make it a thousand times harder to learn linux.
[10:49] <Hari> I hope it is the lucky one
[10:49] <SKoRM> Hari, do you live in australia?
[10:49] <Hari> No , Greece
[10:49] <SKoRM> k, i know a hari, you sound at little like him ;)
[10:49] <intelikey> being a windows guru makes it very hard to learn linux.  young kids and old granies pick it up real quick.
[10:50] <Hari> from Gr?
[10:50] <harm> intelikey thats not true
[10:50] <sfaris> true intelikey
[10:50] <harm> no i dont find that at all
[10:50] <SKoRM> i do
[10:50] <sfaris> well, in general its true
[10:50] <SKoRM> i think its quite true
[10:50] <intelikey> harm it's been my observation.
[10:50] <sfaris> people who only use the computer to write emails anb surf the web will do very well in linux
[10:51] <tonyyarusso> Hari: Did that link help get them mounted for you or are you still stuck?
[10:51] <harm> ah well iam very used to windows but with KDE the switch was easy,, and i loved apt-get install instead of finding software installers
[10:51] <SKoRM> intelikey, whats the defult password for root?
[10:51] <tonyyarusso> sfaris: But may need to have someone else install it for them.
[10:51] <cerebrix> someone have a handy link to some gaim beta 3 debs for dapper?
[10:51] <Hari> what link?
[10:51] <tonyyarusso> Hari: From ubotu, about ntfs
[10:51] <harm> steam servers are so slow =X they cant even hook me up with 500kb/s
[10:51] <intelikey> SKoRM there is no root password unless you set one.
[10:51] <intelikey> !sudo
[10:51] <ubotu> sudo is, like, a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[10:51] <intelikey> !root
[10:52] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[10:52] <sfaris> tonyyarusso, evolution and firefox is shipped with ubuntu..and if they need help finding it, they probably would need that help in windows too :)
[10:52] <Hari> I do not anderstand. What link r u talking about?
[10:52] <tonyyarusso> sfaris: I know that.  A lot of those users wouldn't be comfortable sticking an install CD in and running it.  They get scared.
[10:52] <SKoRM> thnkz
[10:52] <tonyyarusso> Hari: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[10:53] <Hari> I will have a go now, Thanks
[10:53] <Eleaf> ,lll
[10:54] <harm> does anybody know how i might get my keyboards shortcut keys to work? like forward/vulumeup/browser keys?
[10:54] <sfaris> tonyyarusso, true.. but it's still easier for them to adapt to linux than more advanced windows users
[10:54] <tonyyarusso> sfaris: I agree.
[10:54] <sfaris> \o/
[10:55] <tonyyarusso> sfaris: I'm hoping to convert a few myself here, through disk handouts, blogging, and recommending open source alternatives when their Windows apps break.
[10:55] <sfaris> me too :)
[10:56] <harm> tonyyarusso i found that i hated gnome.. any other ex-windows users had that?
[10:56] <harm> yah i still reboot after i install things :P instead of restarting things
[10:57] <CuriousCat> how do you screen capture in xfce?
[10:57] <tonyyarusso> harm: Well, my take on it was that I personally love Gnome, but fully understand why a Windows user would prefer KDE.  I like the simplicity on my desktop.  Maybe it will change, we'll see (I have a almost a dozen options in my "Sessions" menu right now to try).
[10:57] <BlueHeron> CuriousCat: do you have the gimp installed?
[10:57] <sfaris> thats a very annoying thing with windows.. when you do a fresh install, there is like 100 reboots needed (after updating, installing drivers, installing software (antivirus and so on))
[10:58] <CuriousCat> BlueHeron, yup
[10:58] <BlueHeron> CuriousCat: you can open gimp, go to i believe capture or import and you can do it from their, a whole screen or one window.
[10:58] <tonyyarusso> sfaris: Nah, it's only like 15.  Oh, and a few more for the other software you got.  I'd say 50, tops.  Until it breaks.
[10:58] <BlueHeron> CuriousCat: it is in file>acquire.
[10:58] <intelikey> oh you have played MicroReboot Windows also ?
[10:59] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: Eh?
[10:59] <intelikey> it's really not much of a game if you ask me
[10:59] <BlueHeron> sfaris: i know what you mean.
[10:59] <sfaris> game over all the time
[10:59] <intelikey> lol  yep
[10:59] <CuriousCat> ok, thanks BlueHeron
[10:59] <BlueHeron> CuriousCat: you are welcome.
[11:00] <cerebrix> someone have a handy link to some gaim beta 3 debs for dapper?
[11:00] <harm> well i rember 98 required lots of reboots due to BSODs
[11:00] <SKoRM> sif
[11:00] <tonyyarusso> The worst is when you do a fresh install of original release XP, and then take the trek to windowsupdate...
[11:00] <SKoRM> slowly getting there....
[11:01] <intelikey> iirc windows 3.1 was the last of the 'single reboot' installs.....
[11:01] <harm> tonyyarusso  i have a pirated XP version which i cant update, but if i do a good firewall and use firefox w. noscript and more small security things i never have any problems
[11:01] <tonyyarusso> Has anyone heard the faintest rumour of a timeline for vv in Gaim?
[11:01] <AshenSugar> <<<<noob
[11:01] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: 3.1 is d*** stable too, don't know what happened to that.  We still have a lappy running it.
[11:01] <BesoinAide> is nomewone speak french please ?
[11:01] <tonyyarusso> harm: Interesting.
[11:02] <tonyyarusso> !fr
[11:02] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:02] <BesoinAide> merci
[11:02] <moklop> Hey does anyone here know the default password for root in the live ubuntu?
[11:02] <AshenSugar> how hard is it to replace gnome with icewm on a clean ubu instal?
[11:02] <intelikey> moklop there aint one
[11:02] <anstei> !root
[11:02] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[11:02] <moklop> aww
[11:02] <moklop> :(
[11:03] <moklop> ooh
[11:03] <moklop> thanks
[11:03] <rob> err.. not if you do an expert install :)
[11:03] <intelikey> do a sudo passwd and set if you like.
[11:03] <tonyyarusso> AshenSugar: Not much :)  Especially if you leave Gnome on the disk and just don't use it; the removal's the only tricky part.
[11:03] <intelikey> rob on a live cd  ^
[11:03] <AshenSugar> thx im trying to setup an ancient laptop with linux
[11:03] <moklop> yeah thanks guys :D
[11:03] <AshenSugar> it hates 98% of the distros out there lol
[11:03] <harm> AshenSugar i suggest doing an ubuntu server install and then getting whichever GUI thing u want
[11:03] <rob> sure, I was commenting on the factiod though
[11:04] <BlueHeron> AshenSugar: how old?
[11:04] <tonyyarusso> AshenSugar: Just 'apt-cache search icewm' and install away.
[11:04] <AshenSugar> 233mmz 208mb ram  5.2gb hdd
[11:04] <sfaris> hehe
[11:04] <BlueHeron> AshenSugar: harm's suggestion is a good one, server install then gui.
[11:04] <harm> AshenSugar > DamnSmallLinux PuppyLinux
[11:04] <intelikey> but server install is not "default" rob
[11:04] <geargolem> $[sis_alloc.c:210] : Failure to allocate back buffer.
[11:04] <rob> intelikey, server install != expert install
[11:04] <tonyyarusso> AshenSugar: Pssht.  That can run Ubuntu easy.
[11:04] <AshenSugar> needs to be easy to use and windows like harm
[11:05] <harm> yes instert the install CD, instead of hitting RETURN enter Server and then iht RETURn
[11:05] <AshenSugar> its got a shitty chips and tech 65530 video card :(
 233mmz 208mb ram  5.2gb hdd <-- that will be fine for a default install.
[11:05] <AshenSugar> yeah i just want to get icewm installed  because my mothers used that b4
[11:05] <BlueHeron> intelikey: it will but doing a server install and then a gui install in my opinion is 50% faster.
[11:05] <harm> AsenSugar > DamnSmallLinux and Puppy linux are 50MB distro w. GUI and just complete... go check it out www.damnsmalllinux.org www.puppylinux.orgg
[11:05] <AshenSugar> shes use to win2k, but 2k runs soooo slow :P
[11:05] <ozux> How can I Start my Ubuntu Live in 1280x800 resolution?! in Knoppix I use screen=1280x800 cheatcoe (boot parameter) but in Ubuntu I can't find any thing!
[11:06] <intelikey> rob server install != default install either
[11:06] <AshenSugar> i have used dsl its ok for me to mess with but im talking for a 45yo woman whos a windows user(barly)
[11:06] <rob> yeah.. I did say it was :)
[11:06] <neo911> guys what do you think of Compaq Presarion 2100? is it a good laptop? i'm planning to buy to use where i can experiment on Solaris... thx for any background info
[11:06] <SKoRM> time for the trail of truth, well my box boot up fully next boot ;)
[11:06] <e-spy> i have ati x800 when i switch betwen console and X computer frizes...:(    i use draper drake
[11:06] <BlueHeron> ozux: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the resolutions you want. you can then select them from the screen resolution area.
[11:06] <e-spy> can you halp me
[11:07] <AshenSugar> and i HATE xfce file manager
[11:07] <AshenSugar> total POS
[11:07] <AshenSugar> USELESS
[11:07] <tonyyarusso> AshenSugar: IceWM should work.  You could also even try doing some changes to Gnome like putting the menu on the bottom instead of the top; could work too.
[11:07] <ozux> BlueHeron: Unfortunately 1280x800 is not in this List!
[11:07] <intelikey> AshenSugar  pull the cover, over clock that puppy.  and do a default install.  she'll love it.
[11:07] <harm> AshenSugar .. ur going to learn a 45 year old WOMAN no less howto use a computer.. wow respect
[11:07] <dj-fu> ozux, yes it is. I use 1280x800 right now
[11:07] <BlueHeron> ozux: yes you need to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:07] <harm> my mother still makes me come over to empty her outlook Express
[11:07] <pierre__> hello. How can i play some sound from console?
[11:07] <BlueHeron> ozux: do you mean in the xserver list?
[11:07] <AshenSugar> she knows windows basics
[11:07] <ompaul> AshenSugar, language, this channel is G rated :-)-
[11:08] <dj-fu> pierre__, what type of sound? There are many console players.
[11:08] <dj-fu> mpg321 <file.mp3> for mp3
[11:08] <geargolem> help, on blender startup-$[sis_alloc.c:210] : Failure to allocate back buffer.
[11:08] <dj-fu> err, mpg123
[11:08] <ozux> Yes in Dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg :: monitor section I don't see any ting started with 128!
[11:08] <ozux> 1280!
[11:08] <pierre__> dj-fu i'm looking for the simpliest wav player like 'play' in Fedora
[11:08] <SKoRM> lol, i wasw about to say
[11:08] <neo911> guys what do you think of Compaq Presarion 2100? is it a good laptop? i'm planning to buy to use where i can experiment on Solaris... thx for any background info
[11:08] <harm> lol thx for the guide
[11:08] <croftyboy_30> thanx ubotu for all your help going to have breakfast now and come back to it latter
[11:09] <AshenSugar> i almost had desktopbsd installed but it lacks the xdriver for the c&t ct65530 video chip :(
[11:09] <harm> croftyboy ubotu is a bot
[11:09] <dj-fu> deejay@fuzionlaptop:~/Desktop/Music$ apt-cache search music|grep console
[11:09] <dj-fu> moc - ncurses based console audio player
[11:09] <kleinlappies> hi
[11:09] <harm> hi
[11:09] <kleinlappies> how do i open a bot in irssi?
[11:10] <intelikey> open a bot ?
[11:10] <AshenSugar> i could use slax :P
[11:10] <kleinlappies> slax :P
[11:10] <kleinlappies> slax :P what does this do?
[11:10] <harm> AshenSugar iam not sure but SuSe10 is claiming to be the easiest distro atm..
[11:10] <SKoRM> intelikey, its diffentlay starting fastrer ;)
[11:10] <dj-fu> Ubuntu is by far the easiest
[11:10] <ozux> dj-fu: what is your Graphic Card?!
[11:10] <harm> kleinlappies slax has nothing to do w. ur bot qeustion
[11:11] <kleinlappies> sorry
[11:11] <dj-fu> ozux, ATI x700
[11:11] <AshenSugar> its ran vector b4 but the current versons have pos xfce, it runs ok but the file manager sux :(
[11:11] <harm> iam installing CounterStrike1.6 via steam.. but do i need some videocard drivers for my ATI-radeon9200!!
[11:11] <intelikey> SKoRM yes and will run faster, but at the price of making some thing manual rather than auto.
[11:11] <ozux> dj-fu: and you use 1280x800! I think My intel 915GM have problem in Ubuntu!!
[11:12] <dj-fu> ozux, intel 915GM's aren't very good.
[11:12] <dj-fu> ozux, It shouldn' thave any trouble with 1280x800, though.
[11:12] <TSCHAK2> ozux, you need the 945 utilities to set how much video ram it thinks it has
[11:12] <zaibiechu> is there any OCR soft under linux
[11:12] <liable> !ati
[11:12] <ubotu> well, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[11:12] <TSCHAK2> zaibiechu, gocr ... http://jocr.sourceforge.net/
[11:12] <ozux> dj-fu: of course but my system is a laptop!
[11:12] <harm> laptops are awsome
[11:13] <TSCHAK2> the 845/915/945 chips all have the same weird...feature...
[11:13] <AshenSugar> is the driver for the chips and tech ct65530 a basic vesa driver or a true native driver?
[11:13] <TSCHAK2> they have to be told how much video ram they have
[11:13] <sphinx> ubotu fstab
[11:13] <ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the diskmounter file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter  See <partitions>.
[11:13] <intelikey> SKoRM if you can do most of your work from console and don't need all the eye candy a gui provides.  even a 386 is usable.   not fast, but usable.
[11:13] <harm> btw if anyone is into anime let me know.. my friend just launched an anime site
[11:13] <SKoRM> i know
[11:13] <geargolem> how many here are running dapper?
[11:13] <TSCHAK2> my first linux system back in 1991 was a 386sx/16
[11:13] <dj-fu> ozux, so is mine ;]
[11:13] <SKoRM> i used to run red hat through shell for a server
[11:13] <dj-fu> geargolem, I am
[11:14] <geargolem> dj-fu, me too. :P
[11:14] <intelikey> nishe
[11:14] <SKoRM> :( didnt startx , and when i start it, it comes with errors :(
[11:14] <kleinlappies> wahar are some of the basic irssi commands man page not so helpful
[11:14] <TSCHAK2> hmmm i wonder if anyone is listening to me? :-)
[11:14] <pschulz01> geargolem: +1
[11:14] <intelikey> TSCHAK2 no
[11:15] <geargolem> pschulz01, come again?
[11:15] <ozux> AshenSugar: I use i815 in Ubuntu! vesa don't support!
[11:15] <BlueHeron> i found the ati drivers are the best.
[11:15] <intelikey> SKoRM what errors ?    and don't flood. use the pastebin if needed.
[11:15] <SKoRM> xfree -? connection reset by peer)
[11:15] <pschulz01> geargolem: taks whatever count you have for dapper, and add 1
[11:15] <AshenSugar> hehe i was asking about the chip on my crappy laptop
[11:16] <bigfoot1> !deb
[11:16] <ubotu> To install a .deb file: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb  (but note that the program you want might be installable using !apt from the !repos)
[11:16] <geargolem> lol.  I just woke up.  let my brain get working pschulz01
[11:16] <AshenSugar> i so hate windows98/me  hence linux on it
[11:16] <harm> i so got bored with XP.. hence linux
[11:16] <ozux> dj-fu: mine is chipper so has chipperGraphics ;-)
[11:16] <AshenSugar> could go with nt4 but i dont feel like tracking down working sound drivers :P
[11:16] <TSCHAK2> AshenSugar, the chips driver is no longer bundled with X, as of........ well, heh, the first releases of Xfree864
[11:16] <SKoRM> hmm
[11:16] <intelikey> SKoRM you didn't  ^C that thing did you ?
[11:17] <ozux> Any body use SBS in Ubuntu?!I have some problems !
[11:17] <BlueHeron> ozux: SBS = ?
[11:17] <SKoRM> yeah i did
[11:17] <DJ_Tobias> whats the program to burn iso files?
[11:17] <BlueHeron> DJ_Tobias: gnomebaker can, or k3b.
[11:17] <SKoRM> i was thinking
[11:17] <TSCHAK2> DJ_Tobias, right click an iso file, select Write to Disk
[11:17] <pschulz01> geargolem: should have been dapperCount++
[11:17] <TSCHAK2> why does everybody forget that NAUTILUS HAS A BUILT IN ISO WRITER?
[11:17] <ozux> Nautilus good ISO burner!
[11:18] <geargolem> heh
[11:18] <TSCHAK2> oh, let's install a whole other program that requires all of KDE to function
[11:18] <intelikey> well that is what the error said.  "user killed me" skorm
[11:18] <TSCHAK2> TO BURN CDs
[11:18] <TSCHAK2> __REALLY SMART__
[11:18] <TSCHAK2> :-)
[11:18] <SKoRM> it says fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset bypeer) on X server ":0.0"
[11:18] <ozux> Nautilus work very simple ; and just work!
[11:18] <AshenSugar> u mean i gotta find and manualy install drivers*crys*
[11:18] <TSCHAK2> AshenSugar, the chips driver no longer exists.
[11:18] <AshenSugar> oh
[11:18] <SKoRM> i was wondering if maybe x was started somewhere else
[11:18] <AshenSugar> that sux :(
[11:19] <TSCHAK2> it was completely phased out when xfree86 version 4.0 came out.
[11:19] <AshenSugar> so gotta use vesa drivers :/
[11:19] <TSCHAK2> yup
[11:19] <intelikey> SKoRM oh you want gdm/kdm/xdm   to run at boot?
[11:19] <TSCHAK2> i havent seen a C&T graphics chip in
[11:19] <BlueHeron> can anyone help me with this? i have the newest ver installed. http://pastebin.com/630437
[11:19] <TSCHAK2> ......
[11:19] <TSCHAK2> over a decade.
[11:19] <SKoRM> yeah, i ythink :S
[11:19] <AshenSugar> may just go with windows then at least its got real drivers for the c&t :/
[11:19] <kleinlappies> what is the best way to delete some of the installed programs?
[11:20] <AshenSugar> i have seen lots with them mostly older boxes and laptops
[11:20] <liable> kleinlappies: the same way you install them
[11:20] <TSCHAK2> kleinlappies, add/remove programs
[11:20] <ozux> kleinlappies: "dpkg -r  pakage-name"
[11:20] <kleinlappies> dpkg or synaptic or add/remove?
[11:20] <intelikey> sorry. i never set up that way.   ok do this SKoRM  ls /etc/init.d/ | grep dm     and tell me what you've got and we
[11:20] <intelikey> we'll fix it
[11:20] <AshenSugar> compcrap,gateway,nec and some others used them onboard in crappy desktops and laptops
[11:20] <SKoRM> k, thknz
[11:20] <liable> kleinlappies: synaptic
[11:21] <TSCHAK2> kleinlappies, if it's in the applications menu, try add/remove programs first
[11:21] <TSCHAK2> kleinlappies, if it's not, then try synaptic
[11:21] <ozux> kleinlappies: a way that you like! I think if you are newbie in Debian Synaptic.
[11:21] <kleinlappies> thsnks guys
[11:21] <SKoRM> intelikey can i pm you?
[11:21] <liable> ozux: um, isnt this *ubuntu*??
[11:21] <intelikey> SKoRM ok
[11:22] <shreevatsa> liable: same thing :)
[11:22] <intelikey> SKoRM if you are regestered you can....
[11:22] <TSCHAK2> guys, don't give someone a command line solution if there is a gui solution that is simpler.
[11:22] <ozux> liable: Why?!
[11:22] <liable> shreevatsa: no.
[11:22] <SKoRM> sec...
[11:22] <lesshaste>  anyone here used gaim-latex? It appears to work but only shows blank icons instead of the correct latex
[11:23] <lesshaste> http://pastebin.com/630441 appears in the xterm which looks promising
[11:23] <liable> ozux: um, because ubuntu != debian and vice versa
[11:23] <ozux> TSCHAK2: I love CLI becuse save my time!! but everey body have they're opinios!
[11:23] <liable> ozux: if you believe so, try adding sid to your sources list
[11:23] <TSCHAK2> ozux, i understand.... but ask yourself, would a new user know WHAT to remove, much less how to use the CLI?
[11:23] <ozux> liable: Yes, it mean Ubuntu is Debian base; and use debian package manager
[11:23] <cerebrix> god im about to stick my hand thru my monitor
[11:24] <liable> ozux: yes, and ubuntu has add/remove prgrams, that debian doesnt
[11:24] <shreevatsa> wow, what's gaim-latex?
[11:24] <liable> well, by default..
[11:24] <ozux> TSCHAK2: Yes !!! CLI is a little difficult for new users, and GUI is more simple.
[11:24] <lesshaste> shreevatsa: A plugin which translate LaTeX code into image in your IM conversation
[11:24] <liable> if it even is in debian..
[11:25] <pierre__> how can i chown a directory recursively?
[11:25] <Ribs> cerebrix: I wouldn't do that if I were you
[11:25] <Ribs> cerebrix: could break things ;)
[11:25] <shreevatsa> lesshaste: nice, where's that package?
[11:25] <TSCHAK2> pierre__, chown -R <folder>
[11:25] <lesshaste> did it from source
[11:25] <lesshaste> it's only small
[11:25] <ozux> liable: I don't use add/remove program! it like add/remove on Window$ and Fedora! but I heared that it is good tool!
[11:25] <pierre__> TSCHAK2: thx
[11:25] <lesshaste> shreevatsa: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gaim-latex
[11:25] <shreevatsa> lesshaste: thanks
[11:25] <lesshaste> np
[11:25] <TSCHAK2> pierre__, or in nautilus, right click, properties, permissions tab, set permissions, and check "set same permissions for folders underneath this one."
[11:26] <liable> ozux: yes. me either.
[11:26] <Ribs> ozux: no, the add/remove program in Ubuntu actually does remove the programs, and not just the shortcuts a la M$
[11:26] <TSCHAK2> nowotny, take what pierre__ asked.. he asked specifically how to chown files... that automatically means he wants the command line solution.. so give that one first.
[11:26] <yolanda> no.org 6667
[11:26] <TSCHAK2> damned nick complete
[11:26] <TSCHAK2> :-P
[11:26] <pierre__> TSCHAK2: thx, but i hate nautilus... console rocks
[11:26] <TSCHAK2> pierre__, and you just proved my point.
[11:27] <pierre__> TSCHAK2: you're right :-)
[11:27] <TSCHAK2> when helping people, pay very close attention to how the question is asked
[11:27] <ozux> Ribs:I realy don't try this tool.  add/remove can manage Repositories?! or reonfigured packages?! show dependencies?!
[11:27] <TSCHAK2> the smallest words, make all the difference.
[11:28] <TSCHAK2> ozux, does a new user care? he just wants to install common applications
[11:28] <TSCHAK2> ozux, for that, add/remove does a wonderful job..
[11:28] <Ribs> indeed
[11:28] <TSCHAK2> ozux, and if you notice... there is an advanced button.
[11:28] <TSCHAK2> ozux, which does... guess what? LAUNCH SYNAPTIC :-)
[11:28] <AshenSugar> ahhh got the download finnishes finnely
[11:28] <TSCHAK2> the add/remove programs menu item is in plain view...
[11:29] <TSCHAK2> which is one of the things ubuntu did very right.
[11:29] <AshenSugar> true
[11:29] <Kezzer> where's fstab located? I want to stop drives being mounted on startup
[11:29] <ozux> TSCHAK: Ok ;-) I'm forget .. Ubuntu aim to be usable for every type of users, New and middle ...
[11:30] <TSCHAK> yeah
[11:30] <bimberi> Kezzer: /etc/fstab
[11:30] <sfaris> ubotu tell Kezzer about fstab
[11:30] <TSCHAK> you can't aim to please everyone with a single idea
[11:30] <AshenSugar> for linux to get new common users it needs to take an ease of use lesson from win  :/
[11:30] <TSCHAK> but you can try to get the most common stuff correct.
[11:30] <cerebrix> anyone here have gaim2 beta 3 running in dapper?
[11:30] <TSCHAK> AshenSugar, well, i consider the macintosh one of the standards for ease of use
[11:30] <TSCHAK> AshenSugar, moreso than windows.
[11:31] <ompaul> cerebrix, ask in #ubuntu+1 the place for dapper conversation
[11:31] <AshenSugar> would be nice if somebody made a feturefull distro that was made for low end/old hardware
[11:31] <TSCHAK> AshenSugar, there are a few
[11:31] <TSCHAK> AshenSugar, try MepisLite for example
[11:31] <cerebrix> didnt even know the channel existed.  thanks for the heads up
[11:31] <ompaul> AshenSugar, xubuntu-desktop does, even if you don't personally like it
[11:31] <AshenSugar> meh TSCHAK i support a mac and pc, have more issues with the mac users messin things up or the macs just desiding not to play nice with the pc's
[11:32] <ompaul> AshenSugar, the projects resources can only go so far
[11:32] <AshenSugar> i dont like the file manager in xf
[11:32] <TSCHAK> AshenSugar, as i said, try mepislite
[11:32] <AshenSugar> mepis will not load on this laptop it errors on cd boot :P
[11:32] <TSCHAK> do you have a floppy?
[11:32] <AshenSugar> yeah ofcorse
[11:32] <ompaul> AshenSugar, you could always start a team and manage ice or whatever you want do
[11:32] <AshenSugar> its a floppy/cd combo drive
[11:33] <TSCHAK> AshenSugar, try making a boot floppy
[11:33] <AshenSugar> its the cd boot, something about this laptop dosnt play nice with most distros of *nix
[11:33] <ompaul> AshenSugar, what lappy is it?
[11:34] <ompaul> !bot
[11:34] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[11:34] <AshenSugar> an old gateway 2000   2001  pos
[11:34] <zaibiechu> if i want to read a soft's src, what should i do, and is there any tool
[11:35] <AshenSugar> not the one with trident video oh no i got the one with chips and tech video >.<
[11:35] <TSCHAK> zaibiechu, do you need an integrated development environment ?
[11:35] <liable> um, download the source and open it in whatever text editor you like??
[11:35] <ompaul> AshenSugar, please stop with the tla of bad language this is a G rated channel
[11:35] <TSCHAK> zaibiechu, if not, you can just click on a source file in nautilus, and it will open in the gnome text editor (Gedit)
[11:36] <AshenSugar> what bad language?
[11:36] <geargolem> help, on blender startup-$[sis_alloc.c:210] : Failure to allocate back buffer.
[11:36] <TSCHAK> AshenSugar, i think ompaul was talking about the use of "pos"
[11:36] <zaibiechu> TSCHAK, i mean an convenient tool
[11:36] <TSCHAK> zaibiechu, that is an awfully ambiguous term
[11:36] <TSCHAK> zaibiechu, can you be more specific on what you want ?
[11:37] <AshenSugar> sheesh
[11:37] <cerebrix> they use that in car commercials
[11:37] <Rdde> anyone using samba or is good at it?
[11:37] <TSCHAK> AshenSugar, *shrug* :-)
[11:37] <cerebrix> if that term is ok for network television during prime time its ok for irc
[11:37] <TSCHAK> AshenSugar, apparently acronyms are not G rated language :-)
[11:37] <TSCHAK> (yeah yeah, i am joking around) :-)
[11:38] <AshenSugar> then u better not mention that small linux distro
[11:38] <zaibiechu> TSCHAK, maybe with that i can get some def easily
[11:38] <mescaline> hello. i need some help. anyone alive?
[11:38] <AshenSugar> after all its name starts with a foul word
[11:38] <ompaul> AshenSugar, now with that laptop, some of the small distros work well grab a couple of them around the 50 meg mark use lspci and id what hardware you have
[11:38] <sfaris> DSL is a piece of source
[11:38] <liable> mescaline: just ask..
[11:38] <liable> mescaline: not me, the channel
[11:38] <ompaul> !anyone
[11:38] <ubotu> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."   GIVE THE CUSTOMER WHAT THEY WANT
[11:40] <xdarCx> does the latest release of ubuntu include the sk98lin driver?
[11:40] <TSCHAK> shreevatsa, not what you THINK they want
[11:40] <kingspawn> zaibiechu: what are you going to program? which language?
[11:40] <TSCHAK> zaibiechu, install eclipse.
[11:41] <kingspawn> or just listen to TSCHAK
[11:41] <liable> huh?
[11:41] <shreevatsa> TSCHAK: of course I agree... but also don't believe everything the customer says; if you give them choices and they're not sure, they'll just pick one :)
[11:41] <TSCHAK> shreevatsa, he was very clear, "something like vc on windows"
[11:42] <ompaul> TSCHAK, give the customer what they ask for, just make sure they ask for what you are doing
[11:42] <xdarCx> anyone?
[11:42] <souly> Hello, someone can help me with a post-install prob?
[11:42] <zaibiechu> gocr do not support my language so ... i just want to see it's code
[11:42] <shreevatsa> TSCHAK: Yeah, I realise that... (but that came after I mentioned the editors)
[11:42] <sfaris> hello can make x i restart ubuntu if could windows like program?
[11:42] <ompaul> !anyone
[11:42] <ubotu> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? <hint>
[11:42] <ompaul> xdarCx, ^^
[11:42] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: Do you want to just see the code, or do you want to make changes?
[11:42] <sfaris> *kidding*
[11:43] <AshenSugar> costomers ask for better file manager in xfce :P
[11:43] <Rdde> anyone using samba in here?
[11:43] <zaibiechu> and don't ubuntu have that package "eclipse"
[11:43] <liable> AshenSugar: mc!
[11:43] <xdarCx> uh i already asked my ?
[11:43] <TSCHAK> AshenSugar, and i agree there.. XFCE as a whole desktop solution, falls horribly short.
[11:43] <ompaul> AshenSugar, you have the source make one
[11:43] <zaibiechu> just see , i have not the skill
[11:43] <souly> hmm ubotu, nice hint. Well.. I've just finished installing Ubuntu but whenever it starts it presents the shell.. I would like Gnome to start on startup. I also can't load gnome on the shell and therfore am stuck.. can anyone help?
[11:43] <AshenSugar> <<<<<noooob
[11:43] <AshenSugar> <<<not programer geek
[11:44] <liable> AshenSugar: theres lots of file managers, you arent limited to the xfce4 one
[11:44] <shreevatsa> "ls" and "cd" constitute the only file manager I need :)
[11:44] <ompaul> AshenSugar, look let me help you out here, this is the help channel go to #ubuntu-offtopic  and chat away you can install nautilus and use it under xfce
[11:44] <TSCHAK> souly, your video card isn't supported for some reason. The best solution would be for you to use another video card, rather than trying to hack configuration files.
[11:44] <AshenSugar> yes but it would help if the default one wasnt such a pitb
[11:44] <zaibiechu> TSCHAK, i can not install eclipse, can not find the package
[11:44] <AshenSugar> working on downloading stuff now
[11:44] <liable> AshenSugar: well, it is. deal with it, and install one you like...
[11:44] <xdarCx> The best place to start for general help with Ubuntu or just to meet other Ubuntu users is #ubuntu
[11:45] <AshenSugar> keeping stuff i download limited im almost out of cd=rs :P
[11:45] <TSCHAK> I only use RadRails, which uses the Eclipse embedded runtime
[11:45] <souly> TSCHAK: How can it be? I use Radeon 9600. besides, when I type 'X' it loads a screen but it doesnt go anywhere from there
[11:45] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: What exactly do you want to do? In what langauge is the code you want to look at? Why do you want to look at it?
[11:45] <xdarCx> righ toff the site
[11:45] <TSCHAK> souly, really?
[11:45] <souly> yup
[11:45] <TSCHAK> souly, wow. it shoult.d at LEAST use the "ati" driver if it can't figure anything else ou
[11:45] <ompaul> !ati
[11:45] <ubotu> [ati]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[11:46] <TSCHAK> souly, read the link ubotu pasted.
[11:46] <ompaul> souly, read that ^^
[11:46] <zaibiechu> shreevatsa, "C",
[11:46] <zaibiechu> shreevatsa, just study
[11:46] <souly> hmm, well, perhaps its an install bug? I used the install DVD
[11:46] <souly> alright, I will ;-)
[11:46] <xdarCx> so.. can anyone plz tell me if sk98lin driver is included in the latest release
[11:46] <shreevatsa> TSCHAK: see? :)
[11:46] <AshenSugar> slax is almost booted on the pitb laptop :P
[11:46] <TSCHAK> shreevatsa, indeed. ;-)
[11:46] <AshenSugar> whopping 8x cdrom
[11:47] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: The default editor (gedit) will do for that
[11:47] <ompaul> xdarCx, I have to boot the worlds almost slowest laptop want to wait a moment for it?
[11:47] <xdarCx> sure.
[11:47] <zaibiechu> but there are too many .c files
[11:47] <ompaul> xdarCx, or go to #ubuntu+1 for conversation with people who use dapper all the time
[11:47] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: Just go and double-click on the files, they should open in a good-enough program
[11:47] <TSCHAK> AshenSugar, 8x is not slow. my first cdrom drive was purchased in 1985, and had a data rate of 86K a second.. less than what most people consider 1X :-)
[11:47] <souly> also, Is it OK I used the AMD64 DVD Install for my AMD Athlon?
[11:47] <zaibiechu> i do not know where to start
[11:47] <TSCHAK> souly, NO
[11:47] <souly> -_-
[11:48] <AshenSugar> how slows that laptop :P
[11:48] <souly> what install should I use then?
[11:48] <TSCHAK> souly, use the x86 install
[11:48] <maskd> souly: x86
[11:48] <AshenSugar> its slow when you havent used slower then 32x in years :P
[11:48] <TSCHAK> AshenSugar, :-D
[11:48] <souly> damn, knew something is wrong. there goes another DVD disc :P
[11:48] <souly> thanks for help
[11:48] <TSCHAK> souly, no problem :-)
[11:48] <TSCHAK> souly, you should have better luck this time
[11:48] <TSCHAK> :-)
[11:49] <souly> hehe, hopefully. I've waited for so long to use Ubuntu and now I finally have free time off to install it. ;-)
[11:49] <AshenSugar> my systems such a beast that i get annoied by slow comps :P
[11:49] <mescaline> another question, when i boot the screen turns black after initializing, then i have to type ctrl+alt+f1 to get into console, how can i configure so i go to X by default instead?
[11:49] <ompaul>  AshenSugar conversation in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic this is _the_ help channel
[11:49] <zaibiechu> shreevatsa, any idears? ths
[11:50] <TSCHAK> i'm off to bed, almost 3am. later guys.
[11:50] <AshenSugar> ok what info do i need about the hardware in my system
[11:50] <zaibiechu> shreevatsa,  i can even not find the main func
[11:50] <souly> see you TSCHAK, thanks again
[11:50] <AshenSugar> well other then knoing the video chips not supported by anything but vesa drivers :P
[11:51] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: Oh..
[11:51] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: Why do you want to look at them, anyway? :)
[11:51] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: I mean, do you have any special purpose in mind, or do you want to just study them in general?
[11:52] <mescaline> When i try to start X i get this message: "Server is already active for display 0"
[11:52] <mescaline> When i try to start X i get this message: "Fatal Error: Server is already active for display 0"
[11:52] <^Odd^> AshenSugar, i have a question this woulden't happen to be with nvidia drivers would it?
[11:52] <AshenSugar> nope
[11:52] <AshenSugar> chips and tech video with ancient chipset
[11:52] <AshenSugar> 233mmx cpu  :P
[11:53] <AshenSugar> i got a slower laptop though   386+387+4mb ram+80mb hdd
[11:53] <zaibiechu> shreevatsa, i want to know some technology about OCR, but i can find any useful info ,so i want to read the source
[11:54] <Khamael> can gparted convert ntfs to vfat? partititon magic won`t do it for me
[11:54] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: What is OCR? Optical Character Recognition?
[11:54] <dextro_dude> hey people, is there any good video editing software for linux ?
[11:54] <TSCHAK> dextro_dude, i've used cinelerra professionally
[11:54] <zaibiechu> shreevatsa, yes
[11:54] <dextro_dude> TSCHAK: is it free ?
[11:54] <TSCHAK> dextro_dude, and while it's not quite as feature laden as Adobe After Effects, or Final Cut Pro, it is very capable.
[11:55] <TSCHAK> dextro_dude, yes
[11:55] <dextro_dude> TSCHAK: thank you.
[11:55] <TSCHAK> dextro_dude, you can also google for Jahshaka too
[11:55] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: Believe me, if you're looking for information like that, looking at the Linux source code is NOT the best way to learn about it
[11:55] <TSCHAK> dextro_dude, which is a fantastic 3d video effects package that makes extensive use of 3D GPUs.
[11:56] <TSCHAK> dextro_dude, or if you need just a basic DV capture and edit deck, Kino does that well too
[11:56] <zaibiechu> shreevatsa, and i want to study C
[11:56] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: Better to start from, say, Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition) and proceed from there
[11:57] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: You shouldn't try to do two things at once (or at least, not combine them). Learn C from a C book, and OCR from an OCR book. Looking at the source code is not a good way of learning either, IMHO. I'm not trying to discourage you, it's just my opinion
[11:58] <zaibiechu> shreevatsa, ths
[11:58] <Rdde> anyone running a samba server?
[11:58] <xstation> hi
[11:58] <maskd> hey xstation
[11:58] <xstation> maskd: hi such a cool day here in london
[11:59] <zaibiechu> shreevatsa, i have some base knowledge of c,ths but i can not open the page you give me
[11:59] <xstation> need some sun
[11:59] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: Are you sure? It's on the internet -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition
[11:59] <xstation> ok anybody use vm workstation
[12:00] <xstation> I have vm workstation as a exe for windowds how to run it in linux
[12:00] <maskd> xstation: you need to download the linux version from the vmware site
[12:01] <zaibiechu> shreevatsa, i just can't open it
[12:01] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: Where are you? Can you open other websites?
[12:01] <xstation> maskd: I did a silly thing I purchased the exe vmware a10 months ago
[12:01] <zaibiechu> shreevatsa, of course, i am in china
[12:02] <viper> qemu or wine is a good alternative
[12:02] <kingspawn> china prolly doesnt allow wikipedia
[12:02] <kingspawn> mheh
[12:02] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: Oh, I think China blocks Wikipedia :(
[12:02] <maskd> viper: i thought qemu could only emulate linux
[12:02] <davidmcq> any one here had any luck installing breezy on an ibm r32?
[12:02] <neo911> what does the ff mean? im trying to join #java and get this error: * #java ##java :Forwarding to another channel
[12:02] <neo911> * ##java :You need to be identified to join that channel
[12:02] <xstation> good bloggs in china
[12:02] <viper> maskd no take a look at the docs
[12:03] <RemoteViewer> "Add comment to this bug" in malone doesn't work or is it just me?
[12:03] <kingspawn> neo911: means that you need to register with nickserv to join it
[12:03] <davidmcq> neo911 .. i think it means you ahve to be identified to join that channel :)
[12:03] <xstation> maskd: install win2003 server and vm ware and ubuntu as guest
[12:03] <elsvent> hello, i have a xorg setup problem could i ask here?
[12:03] <RemoteViewer> JavaScript console in firefox throws errors and i don't get a textfield to enter something
[12:04] <maskd> xstation: is thatwhat you're doing?
[12:04] <neo911> davidmcq, i think i had that idea but it didnt really tell me what to do
[12:04] <kingspawn> neo911: but i did
[12:04] <shreevatsa> zaibiechu: Try http://desktoppub.about.com/od/ocr/ But with China blocking a lot of sites, I don't know if you can access anything at all
[12:04] <davidmcq> neo911 .. sorry. ... i shouldn't be a smartarse :)
[12:04] <davidmcq> you have to register your nick i thin
[12:04] <davidmcq> think
[12:04] <xstation> mashd: no but since I have purchased the vm software whats the alternative?
[12:04] <neo911> like "/register neo911"?
[12:05] <DarkMageZ> can an amd64 breezy user do "sudo modprobe sk98lin" for me please
[12:05] <kingspawn> neo911: /msg nickserv help, probably
[12:05] <neo911> i get unknown ommand
[12:05] <davidmcq> check the freenode website.. i seem to remember something there
[12:05] <maskd> xstation: if viper is right, then you could try QEMU
[12:05] <maskd> xstation: im giving it a go now