[06:38] <zus> holstein, ping
[15:42] <bluenode_> hi
[15:42] <bluenode_> the 10.04 is better than 8.04 from user perspective
[15:42] <bluenode_> more friendly.
[15:43] <bluenode_> wacom works out of the box!
[16:05] <ExiledMicrobe> Ok, so after reading what I can I am no closer to sorting out PulseAudio/Alsa and Jack.  It all seems to conflict, which means I am doing something wrong.  But I cant work out what.
[16:05] <ExiledMicrobe> Any experts on here that can give me any pointers?
[16:06] <straypacket> answer:  kxstudio distro :)
[16:06] <ExiledMicrobe> sorry?
[16:06] <straypacket> kxstudio comes with pulse/jack integration enabled.
[16:07] <straypacket> it's a derivative of kubuntu
[16:08] <straypacket> you could study the packages it includes, or talk to irc user falktx in #kxstudio or #opensourcemusicians.   falktx put together kxstudio
[16:09] <ExiledMicrobe> ok thanks.
[16:10] <straypacket> np
[16:12]  * Blank__ is another convert from ubuntu studio to kxstudio
[16:13] <ExiledMicrobe> Is it safe to upgrade it over ubuntu studio, even though I upgraded to 10.04 from 9.10 and 9.04 before that.  A fresh install would be a drag...
[16:16] <ExiledMicrobe> Well, it seems harmless enough process, I will try and find out...
[16:18] <Blank__> ExiledMicrobe, probably not... i tried something similar and messed up a few things
[16:18] <Blank__> and it messed up*
[16:19] <Blank__> i had to format
[16:38] <ExiledMicrobe> yes well installing that is going to be a shit
[16:38] <ExiledMicrobe> hmmmm
[20:24] <holstein> zus: ping
[20:24] <holstein> lets do it over here
[20:24] <zus> holstein,  pong
[20:25] <holstein> in case someone wants to look at the logs or something
[20:25] <holstein> zus: so have you ran JACK at all?
[20:25] <zus> i must warn you.... i think i a few things to get a program or two to work, but beyond that... it's still default
[20:25] <holstein> thats cool
[20:25] <holstein> SO
[20:26] <holstein> you have JACK installed right?
[20:26] <holstein> this is an ubuntustudio install?
[20:26] <zus> ubuntustudio over lucid lynx 10.04
[20:27] <holstein> OK
[20:27] <holstein> in the menu
[20:27] <zus> ive got jack control, jackbeat, jackeq, jackrack...
[20:28] <holstein> applications - sound and video - jack control
[20:28] <holstein> start jack control
[20:28] <kernel_geek> holstein: Netjack ?
[20:28] <holstein> kernel_geek: just plain old JACK
[20:28] <zus> ok
[20:28] <kernel_geek> holstein: oh...
[20:28] <holstein> we've been talking about getting it running on zus 's box for a while
[20:28] <kernel_geek> holstein: Whats the issues ?
[20:29] <zus> kernel_geek,  "Newbie"
[20:29] <zus> lol
[20:29] <holstein> zus: go to http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[20:29] <kernel_geek> ahahh k lolz
[20:29] <holstein> so we can talk about these screenshots
[20:29] <holstein> and i know we are looking at the same thing
[20:29] <zus> opening up now
[20:29] <holstein> the first screenshot
[20:29] <holstein> thats what you should see
[20:30] <holstein> when you launch jack control
[20:30] <holstein> your going to click 'setup'
[20:30] <holstein> and you should see the second screenshot
[20:31] <holstein> zus: do you have a realtime kernel installed?
[20:31] <zus> i should
[20:31] <holstein> nah
[20:31] <holstein> you dont have to
[20:31] <holstein> try it with the generic one first
[20:31] <holstein> and get the RT one if you need
[20:31] <holstein> SO
[20:31] <zus> i grabbed all the packages from the synaptic
[20:31] <zus> linux -rt
[20:31] <holstein> OH
[20:31] <holstein> ok
[20:32] <holstein> open a terminal
[20:32] <holstein> and run
[20:32] <holstein> uname -a
[20:32] <holstein> you can paste that here
[20:32] <holstein> it shouldnt be much
[20:32] <zus> but when i boot up i only get a black screen with a flashing _ for a few seconds before the ubuntustudio splash highlights ubu
[20:32] <holstein> we can sort that out too
[20:33] <zus> 2.6.32-23-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 11 07:54:58 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[20:33] <holstein> OK
[20:33] <holstein> SO look at the setup window
[20:33] <holstein> thats the second screenshot on that link
[20:34] <holstein> on the left, there is a realtime checkbox
[20:34] <holstein> untick that box
[20:34] <holstein> if it is ticked
[20:34] <zus> it was, and done
[20:34] <holstein> zus: this is your internal soundcard right?
[20:34] <holstein> that you're using?
[20:35] <zus> aye. i have no sound or video card installed other than what the motherboard provide
[20:35] <holstein> SO the also driver should already be selected
[20:35] <holstein> and that is the one you want
[20:35] <holstein> AND most other setting should 'just work'
[20:36] <holstein> there are 2 settings that we 'tweak' a lot
[20:36] <zus> top right?, under the delete button?
[20:36] <holstein> zus: yeah, that the driver selection drop-down menu
[20:36] <holstein> you can click it and look in there
[20:36] <zus> ok alsa. is already displayed
[20:36] <holstein> you should see 'firewire' 'OSS' maybe
[20:37] <holstein> i forget what all is in there
[20:37] <holstein> BUT, yeah, alsa is what you want
[20:37] <holstein> SO
[20:37] <holstein> the setting we mess with are
[20:37] <holstein> frames/period
[20:37] <holstein> and periods/uffer
[20:37] <holstein> and periods/buffer*
[20:37] <holstein> zus: down in the bottom right
[20:37] <holstein> you see latency
[20:38] <zus> latency is at 5.8msec
[20:38] <holstein> yeah
[20:38] <zus> frames/period is at 128
[20:38] <holstein> tweaking the settings above
[20:38] <holstein> will change that
[20:38] <holstein> lets set frames/period to 256
[20:38] <zus> period buffer is greyed out for me
[20:39] <holstein> zus: interesting
[20:39] <holstein> does it say 2?
[20:39] <holstein> zus: what is your samplerate set to?
[20:39] <zus>  ok changing frames/period,      released periods/buffer
[20:39] <holstein> that effects the latency too
[20:40] <zus> latency is now at 11.6msec
[20:40] <holstein> you probably want 44.1 for sample rate
[20:40] <holstein> if its not already set to that
[20:40] <holstein> 441000
[20:41] <zus> frames/period 256, periods/buffer 2, latency 11.6 sample rate 44100...
[20:41] <holstein> OK
[20:41] <holstein> lest go with that for now
[20:41] <holstein> actually
[20:41] <holstein> since we dont have a RT kernel
[20:41] <holstein> lets do frames/period 512
[20:42] <holstein> whats the latency now?
[20:45] <zus> latency is 23.2msec
[20:45] <holstein> OK
[20:45] <holstein> lest try that then
[20:45] <holstein> open a terminal
[20:45] <holstein> and add yourself to the audio group
[20:46] <holstein> run sudo adduser YOURUSERNAME audio
[20:46] <zus> i believe i have done so through the menu
[20:46] <holstein> OK
[20:46] <holstein> good
[20:46] <holstein> SO on the setup window
[20:46] <holstein> click 'OK'
[20:46] <holstein> and close that
[20:46] <zus> how do i double check to see if i am already in the audio group?
[20:47] <holstein> you can run that command
[20:47] <holstein> sudo addusuer you audio
[20:47] <holstein> and it will say 'you are already a member'
[20:47] <holstein> or nothing if it does it
[20:47] <zus> one sec, it cant hurt...
[20:47] <holstein> yeah
[20:48] <zus> done i was already a member.
[20:48] <holstein> cool
[20:48] <holstein> so go back to the main JACK window
[20:49] <holstein> screenshot 1
[20:49] <holstein> and hit start
[20:49] <zus> (for the video group same as well just change audio to video?)
[20:49] <holstein> sure
[20:49] <holstein> you'll NEED to do that to get access to firewire devices
[20:49] <zus> ok start on jack got ya...(ill ask video questions after)
[20:50] <holstein> you see on that screenshot
[20:50] <holstein> it says 'running'
[20:50] <holstein> or 'started'
[20:50] <holstein> something like that
[20:50] <holstein> if its not running
[20:50] <holstein> you'll get errors
[20:51] <holstein> in a messages window that will pop up
[20:51] <zus> yeah on the screenshot and on my jack it says "started"
[20:51] <holstein> sweet
[20:51] <holstein> SO your running JACK
[20:51] <holstein> :)
[20:51] <holstein> SO
[20:51] <holstein> on the main window
[20:51] <holstein> theres a button 'connect'
[20:51] <holstein> click on that
[20:52] <zus> (only thing different now is there are -- instead of the RT )
[20:52] <holstein> 8 screenshots down on that page
[20:52] <holstein> thats what youd should see
[20:52] <holstein> when you click 'connect'
[20:52] <holstein> this is where the magic happens
[20:52] <holstein> theres probably 3 tabs
[20:53] <holstein> audio MIDI and alsa
[20:53] <holstein> the audio tab is where you make connections
[20:53] <holstein> you should see your sound cards physical inputs on the left side
[20:53] <holstein> and the sound cars outputs on the right
[20:53] <zus> like hooking up different programs?, hydrogen, gtick?...
[20:53] <holstein> yup
[20:54] <holstein> different programs, or physical inputs, or synths
[20:54] <holstein> whatever JACK can see and use
[20:54] <holstein> you can connect in here
[20:54] <zus> so far only system is there left has a red icon and right has a green icon
[20:54] <holstein> theres a little '+' sign?
[20:55] <holstein> right?
[20:55] <holstein> click that to expand that 'section'
[20:55] <zus> ( like the back of an actuall rack/mixer)  yep there is a toggle "+"
[20:55] <holstein> you'll see that toggle on programs too
[20:55] <zus> i got capture _1 an capture_2 on left
[20:56] <zus> playback _1-8 on right
[20:56] <holstein> that seems correct :)
[20:57] <holstein> thats the deal
[20:57] <holstein> you can launch something like zynaddsubfx
[20:57] <holstein> or hydrogen
[20:57] <holstein> or whatever
[20:57] <holstein> and start playing around
[20:57] <zus> ill do zynaddsubfx.... had a problem with it before
[20:57] <holstein> it is a problem :/
[20:58] <holstein> but it will make a sound
[20:58] <holstein> open it
[20:58] <holstein> and go back to the connections window
[20:58] <zus> its open -
[20:58] <holstein> and you'll see it
[20:58] <zus> yep.
[20:58] <holstein> it may have automatically connected
[20:58] <holstein> if not
[20:58] <zus> with red lines going to the right
[20:58] <holstein> find its outs on the left
[20:58] <holstein> and connect them to the ins on the right
[20:59] <zus> out_1 and out_2
[20:59] <holstein> for your sound cards outputs
[20:59] <holstein> yeah
[20:59] <holstein> outs on the left
[20:59] <holstein> to ins on the right
[20:59] <holstein> *
[20:59] <zus> playback _1 and playback_2 (has red lines connecting them)
[20:59] <holstein> then, go back to zyn
[20:59] <holstein> and in the menu
[21:00] <holstein> under 'intrument'
[21:00] <holstein> do 'vitual keyboard'
[21:00] <holstein> virtual*
[21:00] <holstein> and you can click on the little keyboard
[21:00] <holstein> or use your qwerty keyboard
[21:00] <holstein> and you *should* hear it
[21:01] <zus> on zyn i see up top
[21:01] <zus> file instrument Misc
[21:01] <holstein> OH
[21:01] <holstein> yeah
[21:01] <holstein> instrument
[21:01] <zus> wiat i see a keyboard though
[21:02] <holstein> unless you see a keyboard on the screen already
[21:02] <zus> clicking it works (mouse clicks)
[21:02] <holstein> yeah, there are 2 modes
[21:02] <holstein> under 'misc'
[21:02] <holstein> you can change the user modes
[21:02] <holstein> BUT that will work for what we are doing
[21:03] <holstein> do you hear it zus ?
[21:03] <zus> how do i make it use qwerty? i prefer that over mouse, till i get the M-Audio midi contoller keybord thing?
[21:03] <holstein> yeah
[21:03] <holstein> change modes
[21:03] <holstein> under misc
[21:03] <zus> yeah it seems accurate as well as far as latency
[21:03] <holstein> to the advanced mode
[21:03] <holstein> and then open the Vkeyboard under 'instrument'
[21:03] <zus> mode changed to advanced
[21:04] <holstein> and after you click on the keyboard
[21:04] <holstein> you whould be able to use qwerty then
[21:04] <holstein> zus: you can change to the RT kernel
[21:04] <holstein> and mess with the settings
[21:04] <holstein> and get the latency down
[21:04] <holstein> and that will help with using soft synths
[21:04] <holstein> BUT
[21:04] <zus> holstein,  ok qwerty works MUCH better than 3 days ago.
[21:05] <holstein> there will be a limitation with your onboard sound at some point
[21:05] <holstein> tweak all you want though
[21:05] <holstein> SO
[21:06] <zus> Q:
[21:06] <holstein> zus: yeah?
[21:06] <zus> i dont have to "disconnect" zyn everytime i want to add another program?
[21:06]  * holstein needs to get screenshots up on the wiki somewher
[21:06] <holstein> e
[21:06] <holstein> zus: no
[21:06] <holstein> you dont want to stop and start JACK
[21:07] <holstein> AND say for example
[21:07] <holstein> you fire up rakarrack
[21:07] <holstein> which is a real-time guitar effects processor
[21:07] <zus> ??? :)
[21:07] <holstein> and you run zyn through it
[21:07] <holstein> and you close rakarrack
[21:07] <holstein> you wont hear zyn anymore
[21:08] <zus> i think i get that?
[21:08] <holstein> because it was being routed through rakarrack
[21:08] <holstein> and rakarrack is gone
[21:08] <zus> id have to "plug zyn back to jack"
[21:08] <holstein> you'll get it as you go
[21:08] <holstein> zus: exactly
[21:08] <holstein> back into your soundcards outs
[21:08] <holstein> directly
[21:09] <zus> like adding another pedal and missing a patch cable
[21:09] <holstein> yup
[21:09] <zus> to an existing effects chain.
[21:09] <holstein> the only limitation is your hardware and imagination really
[21:09]  * zus feels smart!
[21:09] <holstein> and some MIDI is limitied i think still
[21:09] <zus> hardware will be a bit of a problem that and $$$
[21:09] <holstein> but getting better all the time
[21:10] <holstein> zus: you can get around most hardware issues
[21:10] <zus> lmms sounds too nintendo for me sometimes lol
[21:10] <holstein> and you can slave off to other machines with JACK
[21:10] <holstein> netJACK or jacktrip
[21:10] <zus> can i plug in my bass and us "IT" as a controller?
[21:10] <holstein> in theory
[21:10] <holstein> you could have a lot of cheesy old p3's running on a network
[21:10] <holstein> and get some serious work done
[21:11] <holstein> zus: you can kindof do that
[21:11] <zus> "in theory" as to my Q on bass as a controller or the netjack/jacktrip?
[21:11] <holstein> in rakarrack
[21:11] <holstein> zus: i tried it with my bass
[21:11] <holstein> and it tracked pretty slowly
[21:11] <holstein> it worked great for synth pads
[21:12] <holstein> and there might be a different package that works better for that that im not aware of
[21:12] <holstein> but bascially, yeah
[21:12] <zus> sweet i'd much rather use my bass than the qwerty especially for them slow spacey ambient tracks
[21:12] <holstein> you can trigger MIDI with an anolog instrument
[21:13] <zus> i can "see" my notes faster on a bass or guitar than on a piano if that makes sense
[21:13] <holstein> i ask [lsd] any and all MIDI questions
[21:13] <holstein> even if he doesnt know
[21:13] <holstein> he knows where to look
[21:14] <zus> shiny, mouse, qwerty and a possibility to use my bass, poor mans set up.
[21:14] <holstein> with pro results too
[21:15] <holstein> if you want to use that RT kernel
[21:15] <holstein> you can read
[21:15] <holstein> !grub2
[21:16] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[21:16] <holstein> i like this one better ^^^
[21:16] <holstein> basically
[21:17] <holstein> you run sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[21:17] <holstein> and change GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[21:17] <holstein> to
[21:17] <holstein> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[21:17] <holstein> and GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[21:17] <zus> add the #
[21:17] <holstein> to GRUB_TIMEOUT=-1
[21:17] <holstein> and you should see grub
[21:18] <holstein> and you get to choose the kernel
[21:18] <holstein> zus: you have to run sudo update-grub
[21:18] <holstein> after making those changes
[21:18] <holstein> this doesnt really change much though
[21:18] <holstein> just turns the timer off
[21:18] <holstein> and lets you see the menu
[21:18]  * zus is doing this now
[21:19] <holstein> there are other more permanant ways to do it
[21:19] <holstein> i would suggest starting here
[21:19] <holstein> zus: when you get the RT kernel running
[21:19] <holstein> you can check that 'realtime' box
[21:19] <holstein> and tweak those settings
[21:19] <zus> this lets me see what options i have at boot
[21:20] <holstein> the GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[21:20] <holstein> thats the one that would let you choose one as default
[21:20] <zus> how do i get the RT kernal? or  at  boot will i just have to "choose" the rt kernel to log in?
[21:20] <holstein> yeah
[21:20] <holstein> you just arrow down to it
[21:20] <holstein> and hit enter
[21:20] <zus> so it should be installed im just not booted into it?
[21:21] <holstein> AFAIK
[21:21] <holstein> if you installed linux-rt
[21:21] <holstein> that would do it
[21:21] <holstein> you'll see all your kernels at boot
[21:21] <holstein> if you made those changes
[21:21]  * holstein looking at my grub to make sure
[21:22] <zus> so when booting into the kernel will all that i just did  stay the same or because its a different kerenl then i'd have different settings?
[21:22] <holstein> zus: nah
[21:22] <holstein> it should be all the same
[21:23] <holstein> the trouble would be if one of your devices is supported by the generic kernel
[21:23] <holstein> and not the RT one
[21:23] <holstein> but that less likely now-a-days
[21:24] <zus> ok i changed my gedit .
[21:25] <holstein> dont forget to run
[21:25] <holstein> sudo update-grub
[21:26] <zus> i comment out the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 so its not "part of the file" and change the GRUB_TIMEOUT=-1
[21:26] <holstein> that should do it
[21:26] <holstein> i had that on this box
[21:26] <holstein> til today
[21:26] <holstein> and i changed the GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[21:26] <holstein> so it would boot something if i leave it alone
[21:27] <zus> yeah lot of times i boot and grab foods so when i get back im at my password screen... i dont have to sit
[21:27] <zus> when i dualbooted anyways...
[21:28] <holstein> you dont have to wait that long to get to grub
[21:28] <holstein> and then you can come back and log in
[21:28] <holstein> if you decide the RT one is the one you want
[21:28] <holstein> we can make it more permanent
[21:28] <holstein> i usually keep 2 of each on my boxes
[21:28] <holstein> tat least
[21:29] <holstein> at least*
[21:29] <zus> as long as "#" is before a line i can bassically write anything anywhere correct?
[21:31] <holstein> AFAIK
[21:31] <holstein> # just means ignore this
[21:32] <zus> nice i wanted to write in what i changed for future - but i saved anyways,
[21:33] <zus> found linux image: /.....2.6.32-23 generic ........./.........2.6.31-11-rt
[21:35] <zus> holstein,  earlier you mentioned i didnt want to start and stop jack???? (scrolling back)
[21:35] <holstein> well, you can
[21:35] <holstein> but once you start it
[21:36] <holstein> you kinda want to leave it running
[21:36] <holstein> if you close it
[21:36] <holstein> sometime you can reconnect the apps
[21:36] <holstein> and sometimes you have to relaunch them
[21:36] <zus> i see
[21:36] <holstein> there are managers
[21:37] <holstein> i want to say ladish is one?
[21:37] <zus> i do move round and drag this desktop EVERYWHERE
[21:37] <Conzeit> Hey all...
[21:37] <holstein> kxstudio has something like that
[21:37] <holstein> a jack session manager
[21:37] <holstein> but i havnet really gotten into it
[21:37] <holstein> hey Conzeit :)
[21:37] <zus> whats this kxstudio? ya mentioned it yersterday as well?
[21:38] <zus> hello Conzeit
[21:38] <holstein> its falktx's ubuntu based distro
[21:38] <Conzeit> hey zus.......
[21:38] <Conzeit> I have a quick question
[21:38] <Conzeit> I thought ubuntustudio Lucid wasnt ready so I installed regular lucid, can I use the ubuntustudio lucid iso to install it's programs on my regular lucid?
[21:38] <holstein> he's got a lot of cool stuff in there
[21:38] <holstein> Conzeit: sure
[21:38] <holstein> check out
[21:38] <holstein> !vanilla
[21:38] <holstein> Conzeit: and also
[21:39] <Conzeit> cool, thanks. I have a xp dual boot....that wont get in the way will it?
[21:39] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[21:39] <zus> lol i did that to, so along with ubuntustudio i have all the memenu and social crap  hahah
[21:39] <holstein> Conzeit: shouldnt
[21:39] <holstein> Conzeit: i would
[21:39] <holstein> got to where ever you install packages from
[21:39] <Conzeit> heheh
[21:39] <holstein> synaptic or whatever
[21:39] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[21:40] <zus> synaptic packagemanager
[21:40] <holstein> the 'meta-packages' should be defined there
[21:40] <Conzeit> thanks guys
[21:40] <holstein> and you can read about them
[21:40] <holstein> and decide what you want to install
[21:40] <holstein> sudo apt-cache search ubuntustudio
[21:40] <holstein> or the software center
[21:40] <holstein> you should get the same end result
[21:41] <zus> Conzeit,  grab the  "linux-rt" (no quotes) it wasnt highlighted when i grabbed my packages for me
[21:41] <holstein> yeah, you can try the genercic one too though
[21:42] <holstein> and move tot he real-time one whenever you want
[21:42] <holstein> Conzeit: are you interested in audio or video?
[21:42] <holstein> graphics?
[21:42] <Conzeit> mostly graphics
[21:43] <holstein> Conzeit: so for you
[21:43] <holstein> i would read the package explanations
[21:43] <holstein> the buld of the packages are for audio
[21:43] <holstein>   bulk*
[21:43]  * zus has a foot in all three in real life, so the computer made it easier for him to work and chose all three
[21:44] <Conzeit> I still want to dabble in audio though, so I'll install everything first, and then see what I'm defintively not using and remove that
[21:44] <Conzeit> but thx
[21:45] <holstein> Conzeit: :)
[21:45] <holstein> let us know how it goes
[21:45] <Conzeit> I will =)
[21:45] <zus> holstein,  i'd add effects to the instruments then through the 8th screenshot down, in jack?
[21:45] <holstein> http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/
[21:45] <Conzeit> ah. gotta love open source...I dont think a windows support asshole would say something like that :p
[21:46] <holstein> cool podshoe for the audio side ^^
[21:46] <holstein> Conzeit: lol
[21:46]  * holstein looking zus
[21:46] <holstein> zus: yeah
[21:47] <holstein> thats where you would run something like jackrack
[21:47] <holstein> and route however you want
[21:47] <holstein> you can route physical inputs into an effect running in jackrack
[21:47] <holstein> or rakarrack
[21:48] <holstein> OR midi synths
[21:48] <holstein> or whatever
[21:48] <holstein> and run them out to other things
[21:48] <holstein> or to the output
[21:48] <holstein> or to ardour ro record it
[21:48] <holstein>               to*
[21:48] <zus> now we have  2 mics and a 4 channel radioshack (poor lol) mixer
[21:48] <holstein> zus: thats a good start
[21:49] <holstein> do what you can with what you got, i say
[21:49] <holstein> then you'll find out what gear you really need
[21:49] <zus> were going to be doing voice overs for some video, so i wanna  learn how to set up at least the mic and 4ch mixer
[21:50] <zus> holstein,  how much  paitience  you've left, i mean time hahahha
[21:52] <holstein> im good for now
[21:52] <holstein> whacha got zus ?
[21:52] <holstein> OK
[21:52] <holstein> so you got 1/8 inch input on your sound card probably
[21:52] <zus> brb i got to grab the mic and 4ch mix
[21:52] <holstein> and 1/4" outs on the mixer
[21:52] <zus> yeah its the tiny ones
[21:53] <holstein> you gotta go back the the radio shack and get a cable
[21:53] <zus> yep i also have a 1/8 to 1/4 adaptor
[21:53] <holstein> you want to go from the outputs of the mixer
[21:53] <holstein> to the input on your soundcard
[21:54] <holstein> this is going ot be the weak part of your set up
[21:54] <holstein> you'll probably get a little 'hum' or 'buzz'
[21:54] <holstein> but still
[21:54] <holstein> its a good start
[21:54] <holstein> SO
[21:54] <holstein> tell me what mixer that is?
[21:56] <zus> im here un tieing knots
[21:56] <zus> radio shack 4 chn stereo mixer
[21:57] <holstein> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102920
[21:57] <holstein> ??
[21:58] <zus> one sec, 32-2056 is the No.
[21:59] <zus> i have to use the mic input on my sound card
[21:59] <holstein> you might
[21:59] <holstein> you'll have to just mess around
[21:59] <holstein> and figure out what works best
[21:59] <zus> the set is that way...
[21:59] <holstein> the line-in would be preferable
[22:00] <zus> lol hmmm
[22:00]  * zus agrees
[22:00] <holstein> you should
[22:00] <holstein> in theory
[22:00] <holstein> use the line-out on your mixer
[22:01] <holstein> into the line-in
[22:01] <zus> ok, then im set
[22:01] <holstein> and boost the signal with the radio shack mixer
[22:01] <holstein> then, it should be stereo
[22:01] <holstein> which for your purposes just means 2 track
[22:02] <holstein> so you can record 2 seperate tracks at once if you want
[22:02]  * holstein gotta make a call
[22:02] <zus> the line in is a dot with waves  on the sound card yeah?
[22:02] <zus> ok
[22:02] <holstein> zus: what sound card?
[22:02] <holstein> i think they are usually black?
[22:02] <holstein> pink is mic
[22:03] <holstein> and green is output
[22:03] <holstein> maybe
[22:03] <zus> blue
[22:03] <holstein> doesnt have to be like that
[22:03] <holstein> hmmmm
[22:03]  * zus looks in the back of his machine
[22:03] <holstein> i would google it just to be sure
[22:03] <holstein> but i bet thats it
[22:05] <holstein> OK im back
[22:05] <zus> its blue
[22:05] <holstein> i double booked myself friday
[22:05] <holstein> and had to get a sub
[22:06] <holstein> its sorted :)
[22:06] <holstein> OK
[22:06] <zus> the back has the same as the front  BUT its written line in on the back not the front
[22:06] <holstein> yeah
[22:06] <holstein> id go for the back one
[22:06] <holstein> again, you'll have to just mess around with it
[22:06] <holstein> and run alsamixer
[22:07] <holstein> and make sure everything is turned up
[22:07] <zus> from term?
[22:07] <holstein> yeah
[22:07] <holstein> but
[22:07] <holstein> lets just try it first
[22:07] <holstein> what are the outputs on the mixer?
[22:07] <holstein> RCA?
[22:07] <holstein> 1/4 inch?
[22:07] <zus> rcs red/white (left/right) to 1/8 plug
[22:08] <holstein> OK
[22:08] <holstein> that should do it
[22:08] <holstein> in theory
[22:08] <holstein> you plug that in
[22:08] <holstein> and connect the system ins to the outs
[22:08] <holstein> in JACK
[22:08] <holstein> and you should hear whatever is runing through the mixer
[22:08] <zus> minc into chn 1 mixer output into line in,...
[22:09] <holstein> yup
[22:09] <zus>  i dont see nothing in jack except zyn
[22:09] <holstein> your in the audio tab ?
[22:09] <holstein> you dont see what you saw before?
[22:10] <holstein> 15:55 < zus> i got capture _1 an capture_2 on left
[22:10] <holstein> 15:56 < zus> playback _1-8 on right
[22:10] <zus> well pluggin in the mixer changed nothing  is what i mean
[22:11] <zus> card: HDA  intel chip: Realtek ALC882
[22:11] <holstein> SO the thing you plugged your mixer into
[22:11] <holstein> that should be caputer
[22:11] <holstein> capture*
[22:11] <holstein> on the left side
[22:11] <zus> oh wait
[22:11] <holstein> and the outs are whatever you were plugging zyn into
[22:11] <zus> + wasnot -
[22:11] <holstein> the 'playback' ones
[22:12] <zus> i think i got it
[22:12] <holstein> :)
[22:12] <holstein> you hear it?
[22:12] <zus> system capture_1 and capture_2 are not connected to playback_3 and  playback_4
[22:13] <holstein> playback 1 and 2
[22:13] <holstein> should be the ones
[22:13] <holstein> you were hearding zyn
[22:13] <holstein> hearing*
[22:13] <zus> i hear zyn
[22:13] <holstein> so wherever you plugged zyn
[22:13] <holstein> thats where you plug capture 1 and 2
[22:14] <holstein> we know the 'out' is working
[22:14] <holstein> and located
[22:14] <holstein> we dont konw about the physcial input yet though
[22:14] <holstein> SO
[22:15] <holstein> you have capture 1 routed to playback 1 ?
[22:15] <holstein> and capture 2 routed to playback 2?
[22:15] <holstein> and you dont hear the mic?
[22:15] <zus> what did i have to do in the alsa mixer?
[22:16] <zus> nope
[22:16] <holstein> hmmm
[22:16] <holstein> lets look at it
[22:16] <holstein> run alsa mixer
[22:16] <holstein> OOPS
[22:16] <holstein> alsamixer
[22:16] <zus> line was turned down
[22:16] <holstein> push F5 too
[22:16] <holstein> that should show everything
[22:17] <holstein> did that do it zus ?
[22:17] <holstein> do you hear anything yet?
[22:17] <zus> one sec
[22:17] <zus> i think im only good on playback_1 n 2
[22:17] <holstein> zus: thats normal
[22:17] <holstein> could be a surround sound card
[22:17] <holstein> or something
[22:18] <holstein> OR alsa coule think its a surround sound card
[22:18] <holstein> you really just need playback 1 and 2
[22:18] <holstein> and they seem to be working
[22:19] <zus> nothing yet i. one sec
[22:19] <holstein> hmmm
[22:20] <zus> poop lol this plug isnt good
[22:20] <zus> sorry
[22:20] <zus>  brb
[22:23] <zus> ok i will get this to work lol
[22:23] <holstein> hey, the hard part is over really
[22:24] <zus> how do i  then connect more than one item then if i only can use playback_1 and 2_
[22:24] <holstein> the rest is just experimenting til you get a do-able set-up
[22:24] <holstein> zus: you just make the connection in JACK
[22:24] <holstein> in the 'connect' window
[22:25] <zus> can i route them all to playback_1 and_2?
[22:25] <holstein> just drage a line between whatever you want to 'plug in'
[22:25] <holstein> yup
[22:25] <holstein> you can route as much as your hardware will alow
[22:25] <holstein> allow*
[22:25] <zus> ahhh
[22:26]  * zus thought only one per playback
[22:26] <zus> that changes everything lol
[22:28] <holstein> nah
[22:28] <holstein> you can do whatever you want in there
[22:28] <holstein> JACK is great
[22:30] <zus> zyn is back up but this mixer isnt on, i think its this plug.
[22:32] <holstein> could be
[22:32] <holstein> you could try it somewhere else to test
[22:33] <holstein> headphone out of something into ta stereo
[22:33] <zus> im using headphones now actually
[22:34] <zus> i used http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4lKpYXmwIA  at some point shell get into making connections by hitting tab. 3:04 into the vid
[22:36] <holstein> yeah
[22:36] <holstein> i highlight what i want
[22:36] <holstein> and do ctrlC
[22:36] <holstein> maybe its alt-C
[22:37] <holstein> and you might get into patchage
[22:37] <zus>  /me really wishes he had reason on linux  :)
[22:37] <holstein> or some of the other JACK gui frontends
[22:37] <holstein> guitarman really likes patchage
[22:38] <holstein> zus: heh
[22:38] <holstein> e
[22:38] <holstein> you got reason functionality :)
[22:41] <zus> just realized how that sounded  hahah
[22:46] <zus> uhh-oh
[22:46] <zus> i think i may have found a solution
[22:48] <holstein> cool
[22:48] <zus> but not working, i went in system prefrences sound and changed to line in and still nothing
[22:49] <holstein> yeah
[22:49] <holstein> thats going to be for pulse
[22:49] <holstein> those settings
[22:49] <holstein> try the other physical inputs
[22:49] <holstein> on the computer first
[22:50] <holstein> then you could go to google with you card and see whats there
[22:51] <zus> shiny
[22:51] <zus>  holstein  thank you for getting me through the hard part....
[22:51] <zus> is there a link on getting ardour configured and working for newbies?
[22:52]  * zus would like to record open mic nights at this one spot....
[22:52] <holstein> hmmm
[22:52] <holstein> #opensourcemusicians man
[22:52] <holstein> thats the best place really
[22:52] <holstein> it gets easier
[22:52] <holstein> just fire it up
[22:52] <holstein> and start asking questions
[22:52] <holstein> #ardour is great too really
[22:53] <zus> thanks again mate, this got me going tons
[22:53] <holstein> i'll talk you through that eoo as some point :)
[22:53] <holstein> zus: anytime
[22:53] <zus> eoo?
[22:54] <holstein> lol
[22:54] <holstein> too*
[22:54] <holstein> i'll talk you through that too at some point ***
[22:54] <zus> well would you look at this!!!
[22:54]  * holstein is on a new keyboard
[22:54] <zus> "front line" vol=0
[22:54] <holstein> and im a mediocre typist anyways ;)
[22:55] <zus> now flipping wonder
[22:55] <holstein> zus: where is that though ?
[22:55] <holstein> is that in alsamixer?
[22:55] <zus> brb...terminal alsamixer its still open
[22:55] <zus> i had hit f5 but didnt scroll far enough
[22:55] <holstein> AH
[22:55] <holstein> that could be it
[22:56] <zus> lets hope , cuz then both lines are now open and working ....wonders why the spdif and the 5.1 sound wasnt working  is rooted in here as well?
[22:56] <holstein> should be
[22:56] <holstein> but it doenst have to be
[22:56] <holstein> alsa just had to do what it can
[22:57] <holstein> with whatever drivers it has
[22:57] <holstein> and sometimes it works great
[22:57] <holstein> sometimes, you lose something
[22:57] <zus> the 5.1 speakers have a 3way plug  that never worked,...even in windows hehe
[23:03] <zus> i dont knwo where to begin on the terminal alsa mixer lol   what keyboard you get?
[23:04] <zus> i shouldn't run this through the sound cards mic?
[23:05] <holstein> you can try it
[23:05] <holstein> i would try all the inputs
[23:05] <holstein> til i heard some noise
[23:05] <holstein> try and identify whats what
[23:06] <holstein> the labels dont have to be anywhere near right
[23:10]  * zus jumps up EUREKA!
[23:10] <holstein> zus: w00t :)
[23:11] <zus> alsamixer from terminal f5 for all  arrow FAR left to the last 3 empty slots they siaid  mic input source, i arrowed up it came on
[23:14] <holstein> cool :)
[23:14] <holstein> they are often mis labled
[23:14] <zus> one more thing, how do i adjust the volume for the mic so its not louder than the zyn?
[23:14] <holstein> thats would be near impossible to keep up with and get right
[23:15] <holstein> hmmm
[23:15] <holstein> zus: zyn has volume
[23:15] <zus> or aside from the mixer...i mean in the os itself maybe?
[23:15] <holstein> but there is a mixer for jack
[23:15] <holstein> pipeman was talking about it
[23:15] <holstein> i forget what its called
[23:15] <zus> ya said the gui was more for pulse....
[23:16] <holstein> yeah
[23:16] <holstein> you'd want jack-mixer or whatever its called
[23:16] <holstein> might be a kstudio specific thing though
[23:16] <holstein> in falktx's PPA
[23:16] <zus> if i grabbed that ppa it'll change my ubuntustudio set up?
[23:17] <holstein> some
[23:17] <holstein> id wait
[23:17] <holstein> and see what you need
[23:17] <holstein> you can really jank your install with it
[23:17] <holstein> and its really meant to run with KDE
[23:18] <holstein> well, he used KDE to design ksxtudio
[23:18] <holstein> and some of it is a little fiddly in gnome
[23:18] <zus> omg this would be friggin shiny!
[23:19] <zus> i do enjoy KDE much better than gnome..
[23:19] <holstein> OH yeah
[23:19] <holstein> in that case you might want to consider using kxstudio
[23:21] <zus> i was on ubuntu from karmic till a month before lucid, when i switched to kde.  gnome was simple but it lacked somethings i wanted in an os if i can grab dolphin into gnome i might feel better about my pc
[23:21] <zus> if i get to where i spin my own distro i'd love to see a decent hybrid
[23:23] <zus> there somethings one does the other dont and vice versea,  im more after getting it all than "oh my i have kde libs in my gnome" for one i like kden live and ktorrent  lol i used them when i first began using linux/ubuntu
[23:24] <holstein> i really like LXDE
[23:24] <holstein> not really filling that inbetween niche market though
[23:24] <zus> LXDE?
[23:25] <holstein> http://lxde.org/
[23:25] <holstein> theres a lubuntu
[23:25] <holstein> unofficial AFAIK
[23:27] <zus> i have my mixer at 8 on the slider got it down to 4 so its an even balance between hearing myself and the me in the headphones....at this point i no longer need alsa open in terminal right?
[23:27] <zus> as far as my os goes, im going to say im pretty bloated....
[23:28] <zus> my root is on a 40 hdd, dont know how much i used, but i got a lot of stuffs.
[23:30] <holstein> yeah, you can just run alsamixer as-needed
[23:34] <zus> i was playing around here and  on the capture i raised it and i heard me even louder and clearer... should that go up as well or leave the capture to 0
[23:35] <zus> i think i understand this mixer , the capture is for the input source.... thats how i can lower the slider on the mixer by raising that.
[23:38] <holstein> you really just have to play around with them
[23:38] <zus> nvm lol if you touch the desk the vibration gets picked up,.. (
[23:38] <zus> thanks man i appritiate all the help
[23:38] <holstein> thers going to be a point when you'll get distortion
[23:38] <holstein> you might be able to tweak then input settings and get it cleaner
[23:38] <zus> seems at this point its up to me  to play "soundman"
[23:38] <holstein> yeah
[23:39] <zus> i dont want to blow my speakers
[23:39] <holstein> and just get used to your gear
[23:39] <zus> my broteher uses this mixer and mic in his laptop and now has terrible feedback when just trying to use youtube
[23:39] <holstein> is that in windows?
[23:39] <zus> aye
[23:39] <holstein> you can go to the mixer and tunr off the monitoring
[23:40] <holstein> its feeding back on itself
[23:40] <holstein> if its xp
[23:40] <holstein> theres a recording mixer
[23:40] <holstein> and playback mixer
[23:40] <zus> im the ony linux in the network...in my town as far as i know
[23:40] <holstein> and you should be able to mute it in the playback side
[23:40] <zus> its win7
[23:40] <holstein> hmmm
[23:40] <holstein> its similar in there
[23:41] <holstein> but i forget the lingo
[23:41] <zus> i guess i can deal with the mixer on 8
[23:41] <zus> one sec
[23:46] <zus> he said he got it fixed, lol
[23:46] <zus> i should b good with this mic set up beyond ubuntustudio then? i mean maybe for skype calls our audio voice overs for screencasts?
[23:50] <holstein> zus: in theory
[23:50] <holstein> you dont want to be doing that with JACK though
[23:50] <holstein> totally do-able though
[23:50] <zus> thats what i mean
[23:53] <zus> thanks,..
[23:57] <conzeit> hi again =o I was here a little while ago, asking wether I could upgrade from vanilla lucid to studio lucid...now I did =)
[23:58] <zus> conzeit,  you got it all done?
[23:59] <conzeit> I think I did...I mean I just left terminal running and now terminal is showing me a "package configuration" dialog that configures jackd
[23:59] <conzeit> I'm trying to ok it but dont know how...I just migrated from XP :p


[01:39] <kenvandine> jamesh, hey
[01:39] <kenvandine> jamesh, we merged both of the helper PRs today
[01:40] <kenvandine> jamesh, i tested with a gnome snap using the platform and oSoMoN tested one using desktop-gtk3
[01:40] <kenvandine> both worked... but looking at the forum it looks like some others using desktop-gtk3 are hitting issues
[01:40] <kenvandine> jamesh, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/running-gtk3-app-as-snap-cannot-find-schemas/2991
[01:40] <kenvandine> and
[01:40] <kenvandine> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/glib-error-snap-not-working-anymore/2990
[01:40] <kenvandine> abort loading schemas
[01:40] <kenvandine> :/
[01:41] <kenvandine> jamesh, i've also rebuilt all of the gnome snaps and tested them
[01:41] <kenvandine> all worked fine
[01:41] <jamesh> kenvandine: looking
[01:41] <kenvandine> but of course those are using the gnome platform snap
[01:41] <kenvandine> so i think it's just a problem without the platform snap
[01:42] <kenvandine> but oSoMoN had tested that, but I think with just one snp
[01:42] <kenvandine> snap
[01:42] <kenvandine> oh, maybe his didn't need schemas
[01:51] <jamesh> kenvandine: this is weird.  I wouldn't have expected any behaviour change for desktop-gtk3, since we shouldn't have any gschemas.compiled
[01:51] <jamesh> trying out the linked snapcraft.yaml
[01:51] <kenvandine> yeah, me either
[01:52] <kenvandine> jamesh, i need to step away, but if you get  a fix ping me and i'll get it merged quickly
[01:52] <jamesh> okay
[01:52] <kenvandine> jamesh, can you ping me on telegram?
[01:53] <jamesh> sure
[01:53] <kenvandine> and i'll hop on
[01:53] <kenvandine> thx
[06:42] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:56] <andyrock> good morning seb128
[08:46] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[08:57] <seb128> hey andyrock oSoMoN
[08:58] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:58] <oSoMoN> ça va?
[09:01] <seb128> oSoMoN, nickel, levé un peu tôt à mon gout (5h30) mais ça devient une habitude
[09:01] <seb128> du moins d'habitude c'est plutôt 6h15
[09:02] <seb128> et toi ?
[09:13] <oSoMoN> ça va bien, moi je me suis levé plus tard que d’habitude aujourd’hui, 6:30 :)
[09:14] <oSoMoN> la différence thermique entre sous la couette et dehors était dissuasive
[09:14] <willcooke> morning gang
[09:15] <seb128> hehe
[09:15] <seb128> hey willcooke, how is London today?
[09:18] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke
[09:19] <willcooke> It's pretty cold here today
[09:19] <willcooke> Luckily no delays on the train so I didnt have to stand outside very much :)
[09:20] <willcooke> No such luck for didrocks though, flight delayed for de-icing
[11:18] <doko> willcooke: why is cdbs seeded in supported-desktop-extra? can we remove it?
[11:21] <willcooke> doko: is there anything else keeping it in main? Well, maybe not needed nowdays as it's only a build-dep
[11:23] <doko> willcooke: I don't think so. Please reply to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cdbs/+bug/1735395
[11:30] <willcooke> doko, ack
[11:41] <willcooke> seb128, you OK to drop it from the seeds?  didrocks is +1 ^
[11:58] <doko> willcooke: same for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subversion/+bug/1735403
[12:01] <willcooke> doko, +1 to remove.  (also: wow! ;) )  Commented on bug
[13:08] <kenvandine> jamesh, thanks for that fix
[14:45] <seb128> doko, could you please stop assigning bugs to "ubuntu-desktop", that's the wrong team and leads to spam on the desktop mailing list which is used as contact for that one
[14:46] <doko> seb128: which team instead?
[14:46] <seb128> doko, you can using canonical-desktop-team if that's the intend
[14:46] <doko> ok
[14:47] <seb128> or don't assign to a team and just assume whoever has interest to the package already receive bug emails
[14:47] <doko> seb128: where is this documented?
[14:47] <seb128> thanks
[14:47] <seb128> I don't think it is
[14:48] <xnox> seb128, which team assignement do you use to prioritise rls-incoming bugs for your team? and which team is used as subscriber for those reports? usually same one as the MIR subscriber team.
[14:49] <xnox> i believe the current mapping is ubuntu-desktop, and maybe that needs updating.
[14:49] <seb128> xnox, desktop-packages
[14:49] <xnox> ah
[14:49] <seb128> and I doubt it is ubuntu-desktop
[14:52] <seb128> xnox, oh, since you are around, did you see that Steve had a question for you on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1727237 ?
[14:57] <doko> willcooke: update the seeds, will follow-up tomorrow once the changes are published
[15:03] <willcooke> doko, update = updated?
[15:03] <willcooke> i.e. you have done already?
[15:07] <doko> yes, just committed
[15:30] <doko> willcooke: unrelated, but just because libglade2 is connected with Python2. do you have a baseline what needs to be done to demote the gtk2 stack?
[15:30] <willcooke> doko, thanks!
[15:30] <willcooke> doko, @ gtk2 - jbicha has been looking at that I think
[15:36] <gQuigs> doko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1585903
[15:41] <jbicha> doko: are you planning to have Firefox not support Flash at all? because that seems like a pretty big blocker to demoting gtk2
[15:42] <doko> jbicha: I don't have any shares in firefox. and no foundations doesn't maintain rust either
[15:42] <jbicha> I'm working to reducing the number of things in a default Ubuntu 18.04 install (at least in English) that depends on gtk2 (maybe even to 0)
[15:43] <jbicha> but dropping gtk2 from main is something much bigger than that
[15:43] <doko> jbicha: I really would recommend filing bugs like I do for py2-demotion.  Then you at least know what needs to be done
[15:44] <jbicha> maybe, it's not something I think is that important this year
[15:45] <jbicha> doko: since you seem eager to demote and remove, do you want to handle some of the removals from LP: #1710318 ?
[15:45] <doko> you have to break down big tasks ...
[15:46] <doko> sorry, haven't looked at that at all
[15:46] <jbicha> full webkit2gtk removal is blocked on packaging gnucash 2.7 https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases
[15:47] <jbicha> doko: well since you're asking everyone else to look at stuff, I thought I'd return the favor ;)
[15:47] <jbicha> *full webkitgtk removal
[15:48] <jbicha> the webkitgtk removal bug was filed a few months ago and is actually planned for 18.04 LTS
[15:48] <doko> jbicha: well, upload it, and then remove
[15:49] <jbicha> could you talk to slangasek about gnucash since he's the developer that is most interested in it working from what I've heard
[15:50] <jbicha> since you're asking me to do stuff, I'm asking you to do stuff in exchange :)
[15:54] <gQuigs> Flash support will be removed from Firefox before 20.04 LTS, just saying... https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Plugins/Roadmap
[15:56] <jbicha> gQuigs: yes, but do_ko seemed impatient ;)
[15:58] <jbicha> seb128: the USB seeds haven't been used for anything in years, right?
[15:58] <jbicha> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.bionic/files
[16:00] <jbicha> doko: I think webkitgtk removal is arguably Foundation's job anyway but I've done a lot of the work so far :)
[16:01] <doko> jbicha: webkit was mostly maintained by desktop and security, afaik. but why not just upload a new gnucash?
[16:01] <Trevinho> ah, hey guys
[16:03] <jbicha> doko: slangasek already started on that job, but there's been a new point release since then. I'd rather not duplicate his work and I don't use gnucash
[16:06] <jbicha> wk removal at this point is mostly an AA job
[16:06] <seb128> jbicha, I don't know for what it was used exactly before, I don't think we provided an usb iso, some people might still use today for the same things it was used before
[16:08] <seb128> jbicha, could be a question for the devel list?
[16:09] <jbicha> seb128: but as far as we know, there isn't anything to actually build a unique USB version of Ubuntu with those extra packages, right?
[16:10] <seb128> correct
[16:11] <seb128> I don't remember if that seed was ever used to build an image
[16:11] <seb128> or what was the intend
[16:12] <jbicha> I think it was used to build a larger image back when we tried to fit things on a CD
[16:13] <jbicha> I'm asking now because inkscape (still gtk2) is seeded there but we don't need inkscape in main, right?
[16:14] <doko> hehe, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/inkscape/+bug/1735363
[16:15] <gQuigs> jbicha: there have been various usb images over the years   -http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/ http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[16:15] <seb128> jbicha, the usb set is keeping things in main? anyway I don't think that seed makes any sense nowadays since our current iso is basically an usb one, can you email devel about removing it see if anyone know of a reason not?
[16:18] <jbicha> ok
[16:24] <didrocks> nice, plane back is already delayed by an hour
[16:25]  * didrocks should arrive at 1:30am at best at home :/
[16:43] <jbicha> seb128: oh, there is an "Ubuntu desktop USB" task in tasksel
[16:46] <jbicha> but the packages remaining in the usb seed feel like very odd choices now
[17:29] <willcooke> Trevinho, we're trying the xrandr scaling fix to fake fractional scaling under xorg on 17.10, but the mouse now only goes halfway across the screen.  I think that's a known issue - but is there another way to get 1.5x scaling under gnome shell and xorg by changing the xorg conf file or something like that?
[17:32] <Trevinho> willcooke: so that xorg bug is known
[17:32] <Trevinho> willcooke: and there's a fix upstream which #workshere
[17:32] <Trevinho> but... not pushed or reviewed for ages
[17:32] <Trevinho> but I'm using that patch locally for a while and I noticed no problems with it
[17:32] <willcooke> Trevinho, got a ppa? :)
[17:33] <Trevinho> willcooke: nope, just compiled manualliy
[17:33] <Trevinho> willcooke: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/883319
[17:33] <Trevinho> this is the patch v
[17:33] <Trevinho> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=94929
[17:34] <Trevinho> I pinged some time ago tjaalton about it, but he rightfully said we need to wait upstream to review it. It's just taht it's getting oooold.
[17:34] <mdeslaur> lol @ hostname in that bug ("jos@samsungsucks:~$ lsb_release -rd")
[17:35] <kenvandine> lol
[17:35] <Trevinho> :-D
[17:35] <Trevinho> willcooke: as for other ways to get that... I'm not sure to be fair, I've never checked but there should be a way.
[17:36] <Trevinho> I wanted mutter to do it as fallback, but since this xorg issue and the fact that there's no acceleration on it, I'm not sure if it's a solution for all the problems
[17:36] <Trevinho> we can try to have that though
[17:38] <Trevinho> it was my fallback idea for having the shell to scale fractionally even on x11
[17:39] <willcooke> Trevinho, np - got it to work with the --panning hack
[17:39] <willcooke> thanks
[17:39] <Trevinho> willcooke: oh, but with panning it will move around the screen, no?
[17:39] <willcooke> we set it to be the size of the new virtual desktop
[17:40] <willcooke> seems to work
[18:12] <oSoMoN> good night all


[00:00] <dreisner7> rude is good
[00:01] <dreisner7> i have to practice on you though because i'm supposed to be writing about this very thing by december 25th
[00:01] <dreisner7> or rather, IF it errors on you, you'd know you needed to mount with discard
[00:01] <dreisner7> Sadale: how?
[00:01] <dreisner7> audiofile, its easier using fdisk and mke2fs from the terminal shell.
[00:06] <Nala_Alan1> do you have a schematic?
[00:06] <Nala_Alan1> JimBuntu: Whatever - go collect your prize dude  - hahaha!
[00:06] <Nala_Alan1> we have tons of tools for getting rid of void*, and std::any is probably the worst of all
[00:06] <Nala_Alan1> interesting, evaluation fails if an unfree package is used in an service by default, even it is not enabled?
[00:06] <Nala_Alan1> and you can't decompile C?
[00:25] <Xesxen4> pwm is just a frontend
[00:25] <Xesxen4> I think my topics elevate the channel.
[00:25] <Xesxen4> is a strong child
[00:26] <Xesxen4> mine was simple af, just everyone moving money into a wallet and the address with the most xmr deposited has the biggest chance of getting it all
[00:26] <Xesxen4> it would be too ... yeah
[00:30] <Hooloovo029> so that i can turn them all around
[00:30] <Hooloovo029> "alexa order a tactical nuke"
[00:30] <Hooloovo029> what is the different between P(A bar) and P(A^c)?
[00:30] <Hooloovo029> just try doing a git fetch
[00:30] <Hooloovo029> well, cant you just browse the network?
[00:54] <artok> dminuoso: but in the sense that its definition provides no clarity on what it is :D
[00:54] <artok> Unless you mean 12.x. There was that source leak. I'm still seeding the torrent.
[00:54] <artok> Wulf: What should I be using instead?
[00:54] <artok> well damn. i was trying to file a bug. so i decided to retest this.
[00:54] <artok> koz_: whoa, that's a big improvement :)
[01:49] <Dawidek14> yeah but it's not worth all the extra mappings for me
[01:49] <Dawidek14> i'm not feeling very dynamic right now
[01:49] <Dawidek14> wtf.
[01:50] <Dawidek14> ok, that's another indication that it truly is lockin gup
[01:50] <Dawidek14> (:.$$$) (f :: a ~> b) (g :: b ~> c) :: a ~> c
[02:04] <Guest34366> jennie: there are some mounting options, that may help if you are familiar with mounting drive in the CLI
[02:04] <Guest34366> yeah it'd only be an optimisation to error out sooner, doesn't change the semantics I guess
[02:04] <Guest34366> def. gonna explode
[02:04] <Guest34366> this wave of depolarization will travel down the axon of the neuron and cause it to expel neurotransmitter out into the synaptic clefts (connections with other neurons), and do to them what that specific neurotransmitter does
[02:05] <Guest34366> Is there an official support for plex?
[02:16] <psy_5> yeah arithmetics is a bit fiddly like that
[02:16] <psy_5> stack ghc myfile.hs   might work, idk if that's for project's or not
[02:16] <psy_5> no damp eet, pampit nao!
[02:16] <psy_5> I'm guessing I need a rule that says something like: <IP_ADDRESS>/22 can talk to <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[02:16] <psy_5> As someone who also uses them and never had an SD corruption issue, not really.
[02:26] <djural_1> and whatever QT does on the framebuffer
[02:26] <djural_1> fields are pretty good when they happen to be R or C or maybe Q
[02:26] <djural_1> # echo echo hello > foo; bash -c '. foo'
[02:26] <djural_1> Cpuroast: sure? the macbook needs one too
[02:26] <djural_1> say to change "a|b|c|" to "a|b^c"
[02:34] <vandemar5> majest1c: since you now shift you should use ${1+... in the message.
[02:34] <vandemar5> j416: im not sure on the clean -x command, I have some stuff ignored which I set manually
[02:34] <vandemar5> Play shitty moves, win shitty prizes.
[02:34] <vandemar5> SuperSonicSound: If you are an engineering student, you should probably remember some.
[02:34] <vandemar5> Psi-Jack, Yeah, originally on Linux, but the BSD one too :)
[03:16] <natorious3> there's more knowledge to lose
[03:16] <natorious3> joft thanks. I imagine they were auto configed by KVM or libvirt.
[03:16] <natorious3> Bits a => a -> Int -> Bool
[03:17] <natorious3> That’s going to be a much smaller cache than it used to be.
[03:17] <natorious3> 5g = 60-75 €
[03:17] <RussellB283> no dice..
[03:17] <RussellB283> Hi, has anyone got any experience with "getrlimit: Function not implemented" after an upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04?
[03:18] <RussellB283> well, let's ignore _|_ for now
[03:18] <RussellB283> the bad news is it changed almost everything in the file to "Annual"
[03:18] <RussellB283> Jonii, I followed the tutorial u provided and found that file system for drives is ext3. Now how can I convert it to NTFS as I won't be using Ubuntu anymore
[03:22] <d4n3sh28> Psi-Jack: Are you there?
[03:22] <d4n3sh28> I admit
[03:22] <d4n3sh28> the interface is so large that on a 1440p display, the browser window scroll bar shows with only a couple of clicks I can be on a page that is double that width.
[03:23] <d4n3sh28> ahhh ok didn't know about the :: syntax, i was doing FromS (TNodeS ls rs) = TNode a (FromS ls) (FromS rs)
[03:23] <d4n3sh28> I thought SteamOS was for spreadsheets
[03:28] <XVar`> Damn you, mancha, now I'm wondering what kind of shape that would be.
[03:28] <XVar`> Doct:  You need to specify the size of an array, yes.  But a pointer no.
[03:28] <XVar`> iCookie: nah, just deeply involved into rev enginering this gimbal control softweare shit
[03:28] <XVar`> teth: never tried it, odn't know what guide you're using, but i'd make sure first that youer kernel has all the options required to make it work. usually gentoo wiki guides will tell you what that is
[03:28] <XVar`> I created myself an SSL wildcard certificate via DNS challenge (via acme.sh). This Wildcard cert now seems to work fine with a subdomain like i.e. staging.example.com but for some reasons on the main domain example.com Chromium for example reports NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID any ideas?
[03:33] <syncnys> SS/NKVD in the making
[03:33] <syncnys> but you're mixing things up and that's not helping
[03:33] <syncnys> Yeah that's pretty bad design oiaohm
[03:33] <syncnys> Penguin: The process is mostly the same for most distros.
[03:33] <syncnys> from epel
[03:36] <dcb28> "Goddurn it, this 2009 should be flying at warp 3, not HDD chugging!" *checks profile* "Linkspeed: 1.5 Gbps" Damnit, Samsung! *replaces with SanDisk* *checks profile* "Linkspeed: 3.0 Gbps" "Now that's more like it!"
[03:36] <dcb28> dstolfa: The thing that annoys me is that they list all individuals sanitisers and some groups, but nowhere gives you a nice overview what the maximum compatible set of sanitisers you can combine is. Anyway, I'll just start fiddling again
[03:36] <dcb28> LuminaxAndro: hah. No. That is utterly pointless.
[03:36] <dcb28> =N
[03:36] <dcb28> but i doubt that a 5th gen i7 with 4 cores can do 1khs
[05:44] <solidsnack7> Ok then...
[05:44] <solidsnack7> when you log in, you can choose a session type (in other words, the desktop environment you want to use), and you probably have "Plasma" there
[05:44] <solidsnack7> Viper-7: no, I'm not policing. Ops do that.
[05:45] <solidsnack7> does linux really have a code of conduct or was that a joke?
[07:14] <andrewsh12> Vivvy: don't have that flag on my system,  what are you running?
[07:14] <andrewsh12> lotuspsychje, full-upgrade does nothing http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nQzP6vTkFV/
[07:14] <andrewsh12> daxorid: and the GRANT command didn't produce any output..?
[07:14] <andrewsh12> dmwit: How would you know where the second list starts for infinite lists?
[07:14] <andrewsh12> recent customer project was all about battery life
[07:20] <Jeruvy> i rarely laugh at irc stuffs, but "nickenchuggets" made me laugh, am i weird?
[07:20] <Jeruvy> dreisner: thanks a bunch for the help. Only problem now is that I don't get any text on the screen, but still no errors at least. I'll keep working on it. And grummund thanks, will look into that too :)
[07:21] <Jeruvy> but I wont read it if its d.g. nonesense
[07:21] <Jeruvy> had to take care of something important, sorry if i didnt see your response, super appreciate it
[07:21] <Jeruvy> still a very touchy subject tomeaton17
[07:25] <gmh3> symbot: φ
[07:25] <gmh3> Bacteria: wtmp ?
[07:25] <gmh3> too large
[07:25] <gmh3> so this becomes confusing
[07:25] <gmh3> zumba_ad_: (btw, if you use people's nicks, it's easier to keep the discussion going)
[08:45] <glasspelican14> tor guis ?
[08:45] <glasspelican14> either modify the package.yaml file and generate the cabal file from that or edit the cabal file and delete the package.yaml file
[08:45] <glasspelican14> Naan: how are you using it
[08:45] <glasspelican14> elvishjerricco: its just dagmar, this place was fine before he came back.
[08:45] <glasspelican14> or set them up in an automounter so it only mounts on demand
[08:47] <krabat> Smashcat, ok, thanks for your approval, sadly, it doesn't count for anything... sadly? who am I kidding, luckily, since you seem to be confused
[08:47] <krabat> johnflux: or within each function, determine the thread in which it is running and take action based on thread id / context.
[08:47] <krabat> So why is this a thing? https://ideone.com/yKCksq I know why it works, but i don't quite understand why nobody would prevent that kind of stuff
[08:47] <krabat> you should pass each variable in your script
[08:47] <krabat> qswz: declare what kind of object?
[09:27] <null_ptr5> slyjester: one more question you using mic jack on your sound card  or something like monitor jack etc.
[09:27] <null_ptr5> unable to get latest version info
[09:27] <null_ptr5> Yup. Better have an interrupt for a change already recorded than missing an interrupt for a change not recorded.
[10:03] <sigma_g20> oh right, no pragma, I forgot
[10:03] <sigma_g20> sorry 27
[10:03] <sigma_g20> Exactly what it was designed for... finally
[10:08] <Code_Red> rocktop: no you don't, just copy it in as is
[10:08] <Code_Red> dorp:  i dont think that works for 2d arrays too and wanted the two to look the same
[10:08] <Code_Red> okuu: it's not like the conditions have to be treated as separate
[10:08] <Code_Red> I still want to hear about monochrom's large program
[10:08] <Code_Red> only really has a use on OEM preinstalled windows.
[10:25] <hikiko3> asking here is fine. preferably with more context next time.
[10:25] <hikiko3> i think there is a mess right now
[10:25] <hikiko3> *using different types
[10:42] <epta14> I just rsync'd the tree back to /usr/share/relink/ and tried again, worked
[10:42] <epta14> after update
[10:42] <epta14> like wgetpaste for images
[11:03] <arcanez25> i am converting some code from pthread_mutex to std::mutex, and there is some code that creates a mutex, locks it, creates a thread, then try to `lock` the mutex again, and then blocks until the new thread unlocks the mutex - that's trivial with pthread_mutex, but how can i do that in c++?
[11:03] <arcanez25> im norwegian, Hitler liked the Norwegians
[11:03] <arcanez25> you get virtual access to files on your HFS/APFS drive inside the VM
[11:03] <arcanez25> hi there, how do I force lubuntu to have transparency terminal windows?
[11:03] <arcanez25> Programs vary for each DE Zexaron
[11:03] <arcanez25> used as my isp
[11:34] <hreinnbeck0> zfe: I would never work for someone who yelled at me
[11:34] <hreinnbeck0> ok, let me look closer
[11:34] <hreinnbeck0> `which` can lie, use `type`
[11:55] <fundies> Fox_: some background to help understand the error. It comes from a script in the initram file-system (initrd.img file)
[11:55] <fundies> {} static char const digit[64] = "0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz";
[11:55] <fundies> just little advice
[11:58] <dannx25> oiaohm: 50 years without software sounds great, that would totally ruin the mass surveillance plan
[11:59] <dannx25> ircing from a console on same machine.
[11:59] <dannx25> Weather for Las Vegas, NV: 35.4 C (95.7 F) - Conditions: Clear - Humidity: 28% - Wind: From the South at 3 MPH, gusting to 6.4 KPH.
[11:59] <dannx25> yeah in my concience I know that but sometimes I just have to
[11:59] <dannx25> cousteau: why did you want your script to go to the scripts directory?
[11:59] <dannx25> you have that ln(x) >= 0
[12:01] <WestCoastHotDog> Okay. Thanks. I'll keep this in mind.
[12:01] <WestCoastHotDog> less to cut out at least :P
[12:01] <WestCoastHotDog> brett1479: yeah well no one told me vector calculus has something to do with algebraic geometry
[12:01] <WestCoastHotDog> because the rings are not "rings of functions on some familiar space"
[12:12] <aaronm044> curses/terminfo/termcap is the gold standard for interacting with terminals in a portable way. if you don't need a subset of the functionality it provides, don't use it
[12:12] <aaronm044> BC=British Columbia
[12:12] <aaronm044> Boarders: What's your proposed alternative?
[12:12] <aaronm044> You can't begin to compare a computer language with a natural language.
[12:12] <aaronm044> but in this case we start from a vector space, and consider all possible lie brackets on it, so it's really just any base for the vector space
[12:12] <aaronm044> unyu: i did just that
[12:18] <ryzokuken__> dminuoso: It's just sorta done opportunistically when detected, which might be affected by optimisations, etc.
[12:18] <ryzokuken__> hindu as in the brand
[12:18] <ryzokuken__> i know that isovector was talking about writing a book actually
[12:19] <Guest80822> at this point it's pretty much convention in the linux world
[12:19] <Guest80822> Murii: it affects compile-time performance, but it's still not C++ templates, so you're good ;)
[12:19] <Guest80822> You need to create a new text item with the script and then use it in a bar's .items option
[12:34] <romanzolotarev> which like I said, SHOULD technically work. it's just that you'll be limited in where you can actually boot from (first four partitions, MBR has some size limit too iirc, etc)
[12:34] <romanzolotarev> I guess the bridge is suffering as I only see my Matrix side monologue
[12:34] <romanzolotarev> Rickta59: hi, thanks for Atmega board detector link
[12:34] <romanzolotarev> { int* array = new int[5](); }
[12:34] <romanzolotarev> hey, someone here with and AMD GPU who's willing to help me verify something about PCI Device Classes? (will take max. 5 minutes)
[12:49] <evilgohan23> __abc__: not really.
[12:49] <evilgohan23> xsperry: I can find foldl used _all_ over the place of GHC.
[12:49] <evilgohan23> thats a cute case
[12:49] <evilgohan23> When using canConvert() and convert() consecutively, it is possible for canConvert() to return true, but convert() to return false. This is typically because canConvert() only reports the general ability of QVariant to convert between types given suitable data; it is still possible to supply data which cannot actually be converted.
[12:49] <evilgohan23> if that's not supposed to work the release notes should mention it
[12:52] <countingsort> still nuthin. https://pastebin/com/hFxqUEXA
[12:52] <countingsort> dminuoso: ohh let me try that
[12:52] <countingsort> ARgh
[12:52] <countingsort> koala_man, what do you mean "how"?
[12:52] <countingsort> anyone know any good tricks for eliminating backtracking in lpeg?
[12:52] <countingsort> I always wonder, no friends or family to say anything about that? Wtf?
[13:06] <Flyer0> Blondie101010, just checked status, there is an error, trying to fix
[13:06] <Flyer0> most HR departments don't do that anymore, they just run a keyword filter and leave it to the engineering teams to vete the resume
[13:06] <Flyer0> you realize that question has missing parameters? :)
[13:06] <Flyer0> any mobo firmware that even supports secure boot over pxe : /
[13:16] <FalconSpy25> printf "%d args:" "$#"
[13:28] <Labtec901> 30 is more common
[13:28] <Labtec901> AndrewPRS: set QT_FATAL_WARNINGS=1 and use a debugger
[13:28] <Labtec901> run it on fritOS
[13:28] <Labtec901> The second `catch` is inside the lambda because lambdas extend as far as possible.
[13:28] <Labtec901> Branes: I enjoy all ethnic groups and skin colors I just thought it was strange for a character to change, when people don't do that in real life
[13:28] <Labtec901> are you watching the one I posted?
[13:56] <number8019> so the loop only ever restarts if you manually quit less
[13:56] <number8019> Johnjay: but yours probably doesn't have that
[13:56] <number8019> Crystal Thin Film Transistor.
[13:56] <number8019> Dagmar: I dont understand. You just told me to boot into installation media in UEFI mode. Where do I go then?
[13:58] <larainema> [ Swift turn: German FM says EU needs bank transactions system independent from US - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
[13:58] <larainema> q:
[13:58] <larainema> and a bit matrix multiplication
[13:58] <larainema> *triggered*
[13:58] <larainema> may be you try it, you will find my trouble.
[14:12] <donut_19> anyway, off to the house.
[14:12] <donut_19> or :new
[14:12] <donut_19> only to list files, if it's worth for that?
[14:12] <donut_19> It is not clear to me what you want to show in the first place.
[14:12] <donut_19> hans_henrik: One is that casting the return of malloc can potentially hide a source of bugs is so exotic on any standard compiler.
[14:19] <implementation14> Paste is available without ads on http://pastebin.com/raw?i=fFhNeXCn
[14:19] <implementation14> Komanda4323: anyway using xargs won't be enough for this. you'll have to write a loop. e.g.: while IFS= read -ru "$fd" path; do ...; done {fd}< <(fswatch -o . -e "\\.git.*)
[14:19] <implementation14> Looks to me like it's a good job I never adopted Sabayon as my main OS. Updates DO take calendar time. Three hours, so far, and counting.
[14:19] <implementation14> chess with gnus
[14:21] <wkalt18> since you have 12 spots
[14:21] <wkalt18> what is a specific use of integration and derivation
[14:21] <wkalt18>     Perhaps you meant ‘BS.pack’ (imported from Data.ByteString)
[14:55] <nirved> io_elephant: uh...i don't know? probably have to use a tool that would try and work around VFS as much as possible
[14:56] <nirved> it's actually p nice, I think.
[14:56] <nirved> tweekmonster: with djangoplus#complete -x C-o doesn't produce list of completions at all.
[14:56] <nirved> given that it produces UB, the compiler /can/ in principle use it to optimize
[14:58] <daniel22> and it's quite slow at it
[14:58] <daniel22> Viper-7 like these but toned down
[14:58] <daniel22> forcing cache drops, that is.
[15:15] <ibrightly23> e.g if you can't type where you want to jump, it's not the intended use case really
[15:15] <ibrightly23> ngc3982: ls -rt | tail -1
[15:15] <ibrightly23> supernovah, I'd say switch to Fedora. Though.
[15:15] <ibrightly23> stars ɑrᥱ nοt dⲟіᥒg Αlⅼɑh iѕ doinɡ
[15:23] <Slartibart10> [ *PART 3* AUDIO OF THE INTERCEPT TO THE STOLEN DASH at SeaTac - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
[15:23] <Slartibart10> trying to mount a config for a kibana docker container
[15:23] <Slartibart10> I was just thinking about buying a 1930s Maytag to use.
[15:23] <mefistofeles13> as a wild guess from what you described, it sounds like a single diode with a capacitor in parallel, in series with the element
[15:23] <mefistofeles13> weeb ot
[15:23] <mefistofeles13> jinx
[15:23] <mefistofeles13> honestly when it comes to storage I'd just stick to well-known brands
[15:28] <ibouvousaime4> It actually still worked to install 32-bit arch a couple of weeks after they official drop date
[15:28] <ibouvousaime4> DevAntoine: yes they do, but whether or not they are executed depends on how they got to run some processes (such as my cron example...it doesn't source the usual bash profile stuff)
[15:28] <ibouvousaime4> yeah I have a vpn but it's not on and won't work with my computer at the same time
[15:33] <tsaavik9> nacc: not a fresh install of 18.04 but someone posted a workaround on reddit, (figured it's worth sharing in case anyone else comes in) if you login using Wayland and log back out, then you can log back in using the regular settings and they will work again for some reason
[15:33] <tsaavik9> It's not a highlight. Not per se.
[15:33] <tsaavik9> _abc_: lol, that's what I think
[15:33] <tsaavik9> this is a blame to @appservice-irc:matrix.org
[15:33] <tsaavik9> *shrug* seemed Jewish to me
[15:36] <ssbarnea24> if you are running your irc client as root, consider not doing so
[15:36] <ssbarnea24> !quote add <garyzeasshole> is adolf on coinbase yet?
[15:36] <ssbarnea24> could it be sin(theta) = +- sqrt(1 - cos^2(theta)) + 1 ?
[15:36] <ssbarnea24> they never re
[15:36] <ssbarnea24> tomreyn:  I think I put `nomodeset`in the wrong spot
[15:36] <ssbarnea24> nevermind, it does if you do not specify -n
[15:49] <croccydile29> *cough* sed is better *cough*
[15:50] <croccydile29> and i dont know if its completely open source
[15:50] <croccydile29> toppler: Yes, I think they're uncommon.
[15:50] <croccydile29> azulakina, not sure what you are referring to
[15:50] <croccydile29> depends on the context
[16:15] <SicoWork2> i kinda felt bad, i didn't think it would go that far, but it turns out the shopteacher was as big of a dick as I
[16:15] <SicoWork2> I remember having this problem before, can't remember what to do.
[16:15] <SicoWork2> Psi-Jack, Sorry I really am trying to help.
[16:18] <tomeaton1711> Thanks for the answers
[16:18] <tomeaton1711> "RayV_" is not registered, "RayV" is
[16:18] <tomeaton1711> in the same sense that `foo = liftIO (putStrLn "Hello")` infers as foo :: MonadIO m => m ()
[16:18] <tomeaton1711> wow, that's a really strange interface name but okay
[16:18] <tomeaton1711> int-e: hmm, could do a quasiquoter
[16:18] <tomeaton1711> I've figured it out long ago :)
[16:29] <Spaulding21> Loshki: I laughed; I'm a bad person
[16:29] <Spaulding21> clever - I'll try doing it with apparmor, thank you for the suggestions :)
[16:29] <Spaulding21> chron0: this guy might be fucking up a kernel too - https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/blogs/wiredenterprise/wp-content/uploads//2012/06/Screen-shot-2012-06-18-at-10.32.45-AM.png
[16:29] <Spaulding21> math101: Shortest-length path between two points.
[16:45] <sgflt> unique_ptr<T*> looks like a red flag
[16:45] <sgflt> I have no good cement recipes
[16:45] <sgflt> port 80 does work, otherwise people wont get redirected
[16:45] <Guest83197> oh i want dis
[16:46] <Guest83197> Is there an easy fix for pre-pending black and freezing the last Frame?
[16:54] <Guest33902> plesss any cards
[16:54] <Guest33902> * «10:05:20pm:(+) Mochi101»: 2-3 times a day
[16:54] <Guest33902> ^ I
[16:54] <Guest33902> Edico: often file systems which are not well documented and thus have to be reverse engineered are implmented through fuse on linux. this is also the case for ntfs. it is a complex, not properly documented, proprietary, file system. which ubuntu provides good enough but not complete support for, thanks to an immense reverse engineering effort, and a mostly but not fully complete implementation as a fuse file system.
[16:54] <Guest33902> i prefer pva panels
[18:25] <Guest50864> guess you're not pro enough to use proftp
[18:25] <Guest50864> now am fully secured
[18:25] <Guest50864> nickspoon: https://sanctum.geek.nz/cgit/dotfiles.git/commit/?id=a7cfe71
[18:25] <Guest50864> Habbie: https://travis-ci.org/Mudlet/Mudlet/jobs/431097965
[18:25] <Guest50864> because then you have a reason to shoot up the place
[18:25] <Guest50864> sure does.
[18:36] <ao25> im just trying to backup my home directory. and its bieng a *$%7
[18:36] <ao25> Zcash is #21/1921 @ 0.30% ~ $126.80 / 0.00 ZEC ~ 1h/1d/7d: -0.2/-1.19/-14.8 ~ 24h vol. 738,209.15 ZEC / $93,608,940.58
[18:36] <ao25> or create a one page site that is like i disavow everything
[18:36] <ao25> They are having a negative effect on the linux userbase
[18:45] <wloncom8> .  ..  btcd.conf  logs  rpc.cert  rpc.key
[18:45] <wloncom8> so whats goin on?
[18:45] <wloncom8> I don't even know a lot about combinatorics
[18:45] <wloncom8> No0n3Left: you don't need spaces to be escaped.
[19:28] <ziplock> smells of xy
[19:28] <ziplock> might mean that there is something is wrong somewhere, and its stopping some generalisations so it would be good to understand and fix
[19:28] <ziplock> jottr: use crontab and @daily there
[19:41] <\renaud18> So if I didn't want to see an average, but instead see the exact value at each second interval, I'd have to be getting statistics at each second, right? In other words, the lowest value I can put between those brackets is equal to my scraping interval, correct?
[19:41] <\renaud18> Why did it change from 709 to what I can only assume is 601 color space? Do I have to specify that?
[19:41] <\renaud18> i recently got a bag of potmeters from there…
[19:41] <\renaud18> the output becomes 1280x724 instead of 1280x720
[19:47] <marvi24> often times we actually know, to an individual, who is behind spam
[19:47] <marvi24> what is <q-bang>? I can't find it in the help
[19:47] <marvi24> yeah, got to use one with enough watts and enough voltage on 12v rail (though if it doesn't output enough amps on the 12v rail, you could remove some of the more power hungry hardware for testing).
[19:47] <marvi24> so a starting point is   select session_id, every(registered is not true) as is_guest from yourtable group by session_id;
[20:10] <lex> hi there
[20:12] <bsz> blackflow: how to do that?  adding ipv6.disable=1 to kernel during boot of netinstall didnt help
[20:12] <bsz> that would be extra nice indeed.
[20:12] <bsz> To be clear, at a point where dy/dx is 0/0
[20:12] <bsz> and that is when you change your vendor
[20:12] <bsz> now after running apt-get upgrade samba ceased working saying "cant start LBS or something"
[20:12] <bsz> but without swap on OOM I'm getting the oom killer within a few minutes usually, so meh
[20:32] <oyvindmo29> I see the typo now with the period
[20:32] <oyvindmo29> Padawan-: Then how is "power of two" and "prime" different?
[20:32] <oyvindmo29> .mine 88
[20:35] <than19> LNA + modest antenna can get you to not needing to decode much of the protocol to get the signal.
[20:35] <than19> let's have a look...
[20:35] <than19> Because I'm that bored right now.
[20:35] <than19> nickspoon: oh, I guess <C-j> does work. I guess I did something wrong when I tried. What do I have to do to get <M-j> mapped? I'd rather have that actually
[20:35] <than19> in cartesian
[20:35] <than19> timemage: nice :D
[20:46] <lex_> fossfreedom: hey there again
[20:46] <lex_> you told me, that there's always help needed in the discourse help channel
[20:46] <lex_> which one did you actually refer to?
[20:49] <caliculk3> that can happen with laziness
[20:49] <caliculk3> only wine64
[20:49] <caliculk3> Viper-7: me either
[20:52] <retr0h[m]1> RayTracer: if i use  grep -oE 'flinkTime..[0-9]{2}' /log/jetty/metrics.log
[20:52] <retr0h[m]1> and put it up on pornhub
[20:52] <retr0h[m]1> It's only been quiet for about nine hourse...
[20:53] <retr0h[m]1> If it's discolored it'll be heat, if it's an irregular chunky break when magnified it'll be stress.
[20:53] <retr0h[m]1> well i had joined a channel there, and was speaking in it, and then did /nick without switching windows or anything
[21:40] <jej29> so yeah, i would love to not have to think about filling  ${irc.server.freenode.autojoin}
[22:07] <rhcp17> baldengineer: or until it's lower, and the part goes bang
[22:07] <rhcp17> lucky I sold 4 xmr for 380eur
[22:07] <rhcp17> yeah, and it seems pretty loony to me
[22:07] <rhcp17> I think it's best to understand this in the context of flat Mikowski spacetime first.
[22:35] <Dead_Body7> zanzibizarre: if you pushed history, then that history is part of the remote
[22:35] <Dead_Body7> canurabus same as the script:
[22:35] <Dead_Body7> hmmm, looks like it stopped working now that I downgraded
[22:35] <Dead_Body7> oh no that won't work, it'll just insert a tab and you're already doing that. And it only looks like ^I in command-line mode. Please ignore me
[22:53] <downunder> i dont see a problem of make the wrapper start both bitcoind and armory.app, my concern is how to make bitcoind quit when i quit amory.app
[22:53] <downunder> break beam may be the easiest, with just basic laser diodes and a PIR sensor so the lasers only go on when someone is near the stairs (to save on laser life time)
[22:53] <downunder> retrosenator: u gonna mass fab?
[22:54] <downunder> yeah theres no option to reinstall just the drivers
[23:22] <ljboiler15> So, does anyone know how to use OR commands for sort?
[23:22] <ljboiler15> Cale: in the paste?
[23:22] <ljboiler15> rails is running on heroku. so not lsof/netstat possible, afaik
[23:22] <ljboiler15> hw decoding not necessary.
[23:22] <ljboiler15> Where is it writting those logs?  Does the new user have write access to those files (if they exist) or the directory (if they don't)?
[23:22] <ljboiler15> I got advice to run this: bash -lx 2> /home/user/console.error.log and I will now pastebin the result I have received
[23:55] <Brownout15> or you can flash the uf2 on a second board by doing the same thing, but in reverse
[23:55] <Brownout15> Ok, it occurse to me that I sent my question when I wasn't voiced
[23:55] <Brownout15> lgierth Kubuxu ^^
[23:55] <Brownout15> (n/2) choose (n/4) is O(2^(n/2) / sqrt(n))
[23:55] <Brownout15> (line 1301 of the kernel Makefile, in the version i'm playing with right now anyway)


 How about you?
[07:18] <seb128> duflu, I'm alright thanks!
[07:19] <seb128> duflu, how was the post release state of launchpad bug reports?
[07:19] <jpnurmi> hey duflu seb128
[07:20] <jpnurmi> i'm good thanks. having fun with fwupd for a change :)
[07:20] <duflu> seb128, the bug load is low and there is nothing of importance that I can recall
[07:20] <didrocks> I’m good thanks :)
[07:22] <jpnurmi> hey didrocks
[07:24] <seb128> duflu, 👍
[07:24] <seb128> jpnurmi, nice :-)
[07:28] <callmepk>  hi didrocks jpnurmi seb128
[07:28] <seb128> hey callmepk
[07:29] <jpnurmi> hey callmepk
[07:29] <seb128> duflu, any idea what's the right component for bug #1947516 ?
[07:36] <duflu> seb128, probably the kernel (amdgpu driver). But maybe mutter
[07:37] <seb128> duflu, thx
[07:48] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, salut jibel, didrocks & seb128, good morning jpnurmi
[08:06] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[08:59] <jpnurmi> hey oSoMoN
[13:41] <KGB-1> totem signed tags 09ab676 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/3.38.2-1ubuntu1 * totem Debian release 3.38.2-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3RWoN
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[14:32] <KGB-0> gnome-screenshot ubuntu/master 8e7abd5 Zander Brown src/screenshot-application.c * about: add Alexander Mikhaylenko * https://deb.li/ixzEA
[15:17] <didrocks> seb128: hey, do you mind reviewing wsl-setup in NEW?
[15:24] <KGB-2> evolution-data-server Philip Withnall 279638 * commented merge request !5 * https://deb.li/3snlA
[15:25] <KGB-2> evolution Philip Withnall 279639 * commented merge request !3 * https://deb.li/Cn1R
[15:27] <seb128> didrocks, ack
[15:28] <didrocks> thanks :)
[15:29] <KGB-1> adwaita-icon-theme signed tags bb0b439 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/41.0-1ubuntu1 * adwaita-icon-theme Debian release 41.0-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3brxv
[15:29] <KGB-1> adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/master b8c8a2a Sebastien Bacher * pushed 43 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3g2Nz
[15:29] <KGB-1> adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/master 720b4c2 Tobias Bernard Adwaita/scalable/status/mail-attachment-symbolic.svg Adwaita/scalable/status/mail-read-symbolic.svg Adwaita/scalable/status/mail-unread-symbolic.svg src/symbolic/core.svg * core: add a few more status icons * https://deb.li/ixbEs
[15:29] <KGB-1> adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/master 6ca451b Jeremy Bicha debian/watch * debian/watch: Update for GNOME 40 style version numbering * https://deb.li/4oHc
[15:29] <KGB-1> adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/master 504c455 Jeremy Bicha debian/watch * debian/watch: Give up trying to exclude alpha versions * https://deb.li/3wjBU
[15:30] <KGB-1> adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/master 48d4a0d Tobias Bernard (9 files in 2 dirs) * core: add more actions, mostly document-* ones * https://deb.li/4n9N
[15:30] <KGB-1> adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/master 33ebc39 Tobias Bernard Adwaita/scalable/actions/ sidebar-show-right-rtl-symbolic.svg sidebar-show-rtl-symbolic.svg * minor: add symlinked rtl variants for show-sidebar * https://deb.li/3Wr7x
[15:31] <seb128> didrocks, easy one, accepted
[15:32] <didrocks> perfect, thanks!
[15:42] <KGB-1> adwaita-icon-theme tags bb0b439 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/41.0-1ubuntu1 * tag deleted
[15:43] <KGB-1> adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/master fea460e Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * upload to ubuntu * https://deb.li/i421D
[15:43] <KGB-1> adwaita-icon-theme signed tags 4760cd6 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/41.0-1ubuntu1 * adwaita-icon-theme Debian release 41.0-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3brxv
[15:47] <didrocks> seb128: it’s in bin NEW FYI
[16:05] <seb128> didrocks, NEWed
[16:05] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, could you the changes from http://launchpadlibrarian.net/564922627/libwacom_1.11-1_1.11-1ubuntu1.diff.gz in Debian maybe so we can sync again?
[16:07] <didrocks> thanks a lot seb128
[16:07] <seb128> didrocks, np!
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[22:03] <KGB-0> meld pipeline Balint Reczey 305830 * [8 minutes and 15 seconds] success (autopkgtest: success; piuparts: success; reprotest: success; test-build-all: success; lintian: success; blhc: success; test-crossbuild-arm64: success; test-build-any: success; build: success; build source: success; build i386: success; extract-source: success)
[22:03] <KGB-0> GNOME / meld builds Balint Reczey * Build #2105060 (reprotest) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 2 minutes and 43 seconds
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[22:03] <KGB-0> GNOME / meld builds Balint Reczey * Build #2105062 (autopkgtest) stage: test, status: success. Duration: 3 minutes and 40 seconds
[22:04] <KGB-0> meld pipeline Balint Reczey 305831 * [8 minutes and 8 seconds] success (autopkgtest: success; piuparts: success; reprotest: success; test-build-all: success; lintian: success; blhc: success; test-build-any: success; test-crossbuild-arm64: success; build: success; build i386: success; build source: success; extract-source: success)