[08:28] <JamesTait> Good morning all!
[09:06] <karni> Good morning!
[11:07] <fagan> whoops was playing about on my desktop and forgot about my macbook going into standby
[11:08] <mandel> fagan, you use both?
[11:08] <nessita> hello everyone!
[11:08] <gatox> nessita, hi
[11:08] <mandel> nessita, hola!
[11:09] <fagan> mandel: well at the moment I just leave IRC on my macbook and do bugs or what ever on that then move back to my desktop when ever I test generally
[11:09] <mandel> fagan, that sound complicated... I have problems just with the vms...
[11:10] <fagan> mandel: well my desktop is great for vms
[11:10] <fagan> my macbook on the other hand cant compare at all
[11:10] <mandel> fagan, I mean in terms of context switch, my brain canno hold that many machines
[11:11] <fagan> mandel: but im super cool bro :D
[11:11] <mandel> hehe
[11:57] <mandel> nessita, ping
[11:57] <nessita> mandel: pong
[11:57] <mandel> nessita, can you give me a hand with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/673082/
[11:57] <nessita> looking
[11:58] <mandel> nessita, I managed to fix it once, I have re-ran the registry keys thingy and made sure there are no other processes running of sd
[11:58] <mandel> nessita, am I missing something?
[11:58] <nessita> mandel: you 100% sure you're running trunk?
[11:58] <nessita> no weird libs in PYTHONPATH?
[11:59] <nessita> ols syncdaemon libs?
[12:01] <mandel> nessita, no, is a clean branch from trunk
[12:01] <mandel> nessita, why, does that look like the path is wrong?
[12:01] <nessita> mandel: do you have running ussoc? if yes, please paste the whole output of syncdaemon.log, from the beginning
[12:02] <nessita> mandel: and please choose plain text as syntax highlithing :-)
[12:03] <mandel> nessita,  ok :)
[12:06] <mandel> nessita, http://paste.ubuntu.com/673087/
[12:06] <mandel> nessita, hmm... I wondering if I forgot about the update in the protocol...
[12:06] <nessita> yes, you can see here:
[12:06] <nessita> 2011-08-23 13:54:45,855 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - INFO - The request 'oauth_authenticate' failed with the error: oauth_authenticate() takes exactly 3 arguments (4 given) and was handled with the event: SYS_UNKNOWN_ERROR
[12:06] <nessita> "The request 'oauth_authenticate' failed with the error: oauth_authenticate() takes exactly 3 arguments (4 given)"
[12:06] <nessita> you need to build and install a newer protocol
[12:07] <mandel> nessita, ok, I'll do that...
[12:08] <nessita> good!
[12:12] <mandel> nessita, I found an interesting issue with the storage protocol, setup install places the package under C:\Python27\Libs\site-packages\ubuntuone-storage-protocol\ubuntuone\
[12:12] <mandel> nessita, that looks to me like a bug
[12:12] <mandel> agree?
[12:12] <alecu> good morning!
[12:12] <nessita> mandel: no, is fine
[12:13] <nessita> mandel: why would be a bug?
[12:13] <nessita> alecu: hi there!
[12:13] <alecu> mandel, don't know what, but I always agree with you.
[12:13] <nessita> welcome back
[12:13] <alecu> hi nessita!
[12:13] <ralsina> good morning everyone!
[12:14] <mandel> alecu, ralsina buenas!
[12:14] <facundobatista> Hola alecu, ralsina, mandel, nessita
[12:14] <ralsina> hello mandel! How was holidays?
[12:14] <mandel> facundobatista, hola!
[12:15] <mandel> ralsina, short but very welcome :)
[12:15] <ralsina> hola facundobatista! Looks like I won't make it to tonight's meeting :-(
[12:15] <mandel> got lots of enegy and a bigger belly :P
[12:15] <facundobatista> ralsina, bú
[12:20] <nessita> hello all!
[12:20] <nessita> facundobatista: pitti answered here: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/ubuntuone-client/gi-fixes/+merge/72447
[12:20] <ralsina> hello nessita!
[12:22] <ralsina> nessita, mandel: did you guys see rick mcbride's email about the overlay being stuck?
[12:22] <ralsina> That would be bug #831634
[12:22] <nessita> ralsina: did he send that email to us?
[12:22] <mandel> ralsina, nop, when/where did that happened?
[12:22] <gatox> ralsina, yep
[12:22] <ralsina> nessita: thought it was mail, it's actually a bug mail
[12:22] <nessita> haven't gone yet thru all those today
[12:23] <ralsina> nessita: ok
[12:23] <ralsina> I think it's something that happens to me too, where sometimes the IPC stops working, but have had a hard time reproducing it intentionally :-(
[12:23] <ralsina> Happened to parrino, too
[12:24] <mandel> ralsina, hm... I have not see the email, I'll check
[12:24] <mandel> by the way, do we have hal or something here
[12:24] <ralsina> whonder why hal didn't expand my bug #831634
[12:24] <mandel> bug 1
[12:24] <ralsina> hal is gone!
[12:25] <nessita> ralsina: we need logs! :-)
[12:25] <mandel> hijos de puta: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdi5PqMm4jQ
[12:25] <nessita> ralsina: very likely there was an exception, and we're not handling those yet
[12:25] <ralsina> nessita: yes, I will fix that today and do a new release
[12:25] <ralsina> as in "log the exceptions, and fix sso's log"
[12:26] <nessita> ralsina: great, because 99% chances that's the issue
[12:27] <ralsina> mandel: that settings bug could cause shares not to sync, right?
[12:28] <mandel> ralsina, if th econfig did not get saved, yes
[12:28] <ralsina> mandel: ack
[12:28] <ralsina> mandel: I would check if the file it's trying to save to is the right one. I did that part and is half guessing
[12:31] <mandel> nessita, can you reproduce bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/809559
[12:32] <mandel> nessita, I've been trying to get the error but I seems not to be able
[12:32] <mandel> with current trunk
[12:32] <nessita> mandel: I can't put time in that ATM. How did you test it?
[12:32] <alecu> nessita, I'm not sure I'm following you on your comment on this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/fix-vbox-weird-clock/+merge/71965
[12:33] <mandel> nessita, I'm running sd, sso and contorl panel and setting and unsetting the shares setting from control panel
[12:33] <alecu> nessita, I think you are reading "generated_id = generated_id + 1", but it says "generated_id = cls.last_generated_id + 1"
[12:33] <nessita> alecu: what if  generated_id is 1 and last_generated_id is 3? by adding just one to generated_id we don't fix the issue
[12:33] <mandel> nessita, I added pdb in the save section of the save method from config
[12:34] <nessita> mandel: can you confirm the conf file is updated?
[12:34] <nessita> alecu: oh, you're right!
[12:34] <nessita> alecu: I'll re-comment
[12:35] <ralsina> gatox: you have been working on the uninstaller?
[12:36] <ralsina> gatox: if yes, could you take over bug #824653 please?
[12:36] <gatox> ralsina, ok..... the code for the uninstaller is ready, but i have to move it to a platform module
[12:37] <ralsina> gatox: ok, just assign to you and mark "in progress"
[12:37] <gatox> ralsina, ok
[12:37] <mandel> nessita, yes, in my system config gets updated perfectly with no issues
[12:37] <alecu> nessita, thanks
[12:37] <mandel> gatox, ping
[12:37] <gatox> mandel, pong
[12:38] <nessita> mandel: the comment that in the bug detailing revno you used to run the IRL tests and close as works for me, please
[12:39] <mandel> gatox, one question, when I use the Default settings button, what values should be added to the upload/download limits atm in -1
[12:39] <mandel> nessita, sure!
[12:40] <gatox> mandel, sorry... do you mean what is specified in the design?? i'm not sure i'm following...
[12:41] <mandel> gatox, so, first time I run control panel it has some default values for the upload/download limits, right?
[12:41] <gatox> mandel, yes
[12:41] <mandel> with is around the 2000s or something like that
[12:42] <mandel> gatox, I changed then, then clicked default settings and they value did not get back to the initial one
[12:43] <mandel> nessita, there is though a use of open in config.py, should that be changed to open_file and dile a bug?
[12:43] <gatox> mandel, ahhhhhhhh....... let me check with the doc...
[12:43] <nessita> mandel: yes please
[12:44] <gatox> ralsina, do you know what mandel is asking for?? i can't find that in the documentation...... i thought that this value was coming from the server
[12:44] <nessita> mandel: FYI gatox hasn't been working with the settings, the widget was coded in the controlpanel, you may need my input there
[12:44] <nessita> gatox: I know
[12:44] <ralsina> gatox: yes it is
[12:45] <gatox> nessita, ralsina ok
[12:45] <nessita> ralsina: what values are coming from the server?
[12:45] <ralsina> nessita: the current bandwidth values. Not from the server but from syncdaemon
[12:45] <gatox> ralsina, ah... right
[12:45] <nessita> ralsina: right, not server :-)
[12:45] <mandel> nessita, I though it was something realted just with the UI not showing the value...
[12:45] <ralsina> IPC server ;-)
[12:46] <nessita> mandel: what issue do you have?
[12:46] <mandel> nessita, change upload/download limits, click default setting and old values doe not re-appear in the UI
[12:47] <nessita> mandel: default values is -1
[12:47] <mandel> nessita, oh, is it? and then why is there a diff value when I start control panel?
[12:47] <nessita> mandel: so, when you click 'default values' you should get -1
[12:47] <nessita> mandel: you had other settings of your own?
[12:47] <mandel> nessita, but I never changed those and got a 2000 something in the box
[12:48] <mandel> nessita, no that I know of, I have never changed those
[12:48] <nessita> mandel: can you please check the default config in syncdaemon trunk?
[12:48] <mandel> nessita, sure
[12:51] <mandel> nessita, when I close the bug becuse I cannot reproduce it, what should I use from lp?
[12:51] <mandel> invalid?
[12:51] <nessita> mandel: worksforme equivalent
[12:51] <nessita> invalid I think
[12:53] <ralsina> cannot reproduce is supposed to be incomplete and ask for more info
[12:53] <ralsina> but since we are all friends here, invalid is just fine ;-)
[12:53] <mandel> nessita, the conf after an ./autogen.sh in trunk
[12:53] <mandel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/673107/
[12:54] <mandel> ralsina, invalid it is then :P
[12:54] <nessita> mandel: so, what\ s th veredict?
[12:54] <ralsina> mandel, nessita, alecu, dobey, fagan, gatox: standup in 6' !
[12:54] <gatox> ralsina, ack
[12:55] <mandel> nessita, for what?
[12:55] <mandel> nessita, the bug, invalid, the limits seems to be wrong
[12:55] <nessita> mandel: why?
[12:55] <nessita> [bandwidth_throttling] on.default = False
[12:56] <nessita> by default bandwith is not enabled, so we need to reflect that
[12:56] <mandel> nessita, true, but why is there this: read_limit.default = 2097152
[12:56] <nessita> and since in the control panel we have no way of setting limits but having it disabled...
[12:56] <nessita> we need to set the values to -1
[12:56] <nessita> mandel: we may ensure the first load of the default congi shows -1
[12:56] <nessita> config*
[12:57] <nessita> mandel: fill me a bug for that, please
[12:57] <mandel> nessita, I honestly do have a string opinion, I just noticed that I initially saw 2097152 and then -1 :P
[12:57] <mandel> nessita, sure, I'll get a bug for that then :)
[12:58] <nessita> what's a string opinion? ;-)
[12:58] <nessita> a long opinion? a thin one?
[12:58] <ralsina> one full of character!
[12:58] <mandel> nessita, hehe I wanted to type strong... i and o are close :P
[12:58] <nessita> :-P
[12:59] <mandel> but string seems to me ok too  hehehe
[13:00] <alecu> me
[13:00] <mandel> me
[13:00] <gatox> me
[13:00] <alecu> ralsina, nessita, dobey, fagan: stand up!
[13:01] <ralsina> me
[13:01] <nessita> me
[13:01] <dobey> me
[13:01] <ralsina> alecu: start!
[13:01] <alecu> DONE: rested a bit, gave the DBus talk at PyDay Montevideo
[13:01] <alecu> TODO: a better fix for VirtualBox clock bug, work on eq_inotify tests
[13:01] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[13:01] <alecu> NEXT: mandel
[13:02] <mandel> DONE: starte a little late because my laptop when banannas after an update :( fixed the machine and started looking at 809559 which I close since IRL I had no issues. Found a small bug in config.py (uses open) and another in control panel.
[13:02] <mandel> TODO: more bugs
[13:02] <mandel> BLOCKED: nope
[13:02] <mandel> next: gatox
[13:02] <gatox> DONE:
[13:02] <gatox> Bug #822691, Almost done Bug #822685
[13:02] <gatox> TODO:
[13:02] <gatox> Finish Bug #823414, Bug #824653. Start with: Bug #831310, Bug #831312, Bug #829365, Bug #829652
[13:02] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[13:02] <gatox> No
[13:02] <gatox> ralsina, go
[13:02] <ralsina> DONE: not much, felt bad on friday, holiday yesterday
[13:02] <ralsina> TODO: merge pending branches, triage what's left to do, calls, release
[13:02] <ralsina> BLOCKED: no
[13:02] <ralsina> nessita?
[13:02] <nessita> DONE: landed fix for ussoc for bug #831043, analyzed GI issue with platform crowd, meeting with design team re: controlpanel window size
[13:02] <nessita> TODO: working on client fix for bug #831043, bug #818190
[13:02] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[13:02] <nessita> NOTES: teaching duties, I'm leaving at noon today
[13:02] <nessita> NEXT: dobey
[13:03] <dobey> λ DONE: mostly finished bug #828195
[13:03] <dobey> λ TODO: finish #828195, (doing) call about jenkins
[13:03] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[13:05] <ralsina> ok, comments?
[13:06] <ralsina> so EOM
[13:07] <nessita> verterok: ping
[13:07] <verterok> nessita: pong
[13:07]  * mandel lunch
[13:07] <nessita> verterok: would you give a hand with bug #822034?
[13:07] <mandel> ralsina, we shall talk about pycon later in the afternoon :D
[13:07] <mandel> cu all later
[13:07] <ralsina> mandel: sure. See you!
[13:07] <verterok> nessita: no bug bot here?
[13:07] <ralsina> verterok: seems to have died :-(
[13:08] <nessita> verterok: apparently :-/
[13:08] <verterok> nessita: buy a new disk? :)
[13:08] <verterok> nessita: FWIW, it's a duplicate
[13:08] <nessita> verterok: have the master report handy?
[13:08] <verterok> nessita: le me find the master
[13:10] <verterok> nessita: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/776386
[13:11] <verterok> nessita: not sure if that';s the master bug
[13:12] <verterok> nessita: as therea multiple-bugs/issues reported there
[13:12] <nessita> Chipaca: email about talk re wizard size sent (I forgot yesterday)
[13:12] <Chipaca> nessita: shame on you ;-)
[13:12] <nessita> yeah
[13:14] <verterok> nessita: yes, there are already 2 dupes on it...let's make it the master bug and change it to confirmed or something
[13:14] <nessita> ok, would you please do so?
[13:15] <verterok> done
[13:17] <nessita> thanks!!!
[13:28] <fagan> me sorry about that went to the shop
[13:28] <fagan> DONE
[13:28] <fagan> * Read a book
[13:28] <fagan> * Did some testing of trunk
[13:28] <fagan> TODO
[13:28] <fagan> * What ever anyone needs
[13:28] <fagan> BLOCKED
[13:28] <fagan> * No
[13:30] <ralsina> nessita, alecu: simple branch -- https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntu-sso-client/log-better/+merge/72573
[13:30] <ralsina> it just moves code from u1-client into sso, and updates a couple of lines to use it
[13:32] <nessita> ralsina: looks good, but wasn't there windows tests as well?
[13:32] <ralsina> nessita: good question!
[13:32] <nessita> tests/platform/windows/test_xdg_base_directory.py
[13:33] <nessita> there is!
[13:33] <ralsina> nessita: yep, will add those
[13:33] <nessita> great!
[13:47] <ralsina> dobey: I know you are going to complain about the merging ping pong that's going on in my branch. Sorry about that :-(
[13:47] <ralsina> dobey: but I had conflicts in the conflicts files ';-)
[13:48] <dobey> yes i see that
[13:48] <dobey> you're impatient, and you suck at fixing conflicts ;)
[13:48] <ralsina> ack on both
[13:49] <ralsina> except between people, I am rather good at those
[13:49] <dobey> better than facts.
[13:50] <ralsina> dobey: parse error
[13:51] <dobey> ralsina: amused (read sad) how some people insist on ignoring facts
[13:52] <ralsina> dobey: indeed people ignore facts. However, often they (we) can be gentled into accepting them when presented on different ways.
[13:54] <dobey> yes, by appeasing the other person's ego and making it seem like you are compromising your own to make them happy; remaining neutral without the need to satisfy any ego, seems to not work so well
[13:58] <ralsina> yep, pretty much
[13:58] <ralsina> then again, if one doesn't care somuch about one's own ego, that's cheap
[14:00] <dobey> well, there's nothing to sacrifice there
[14:02] <gatox> ralsina, nessita buttons style in control panel: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/buttons-ui-style/+merge/72576
[14:02] <dobey> anyway
[14:02] <ralsina> gatox: looking!
[14:06] <rye> redirecting ubuntuone-preferences to localhost is fun
[14:08] <ralsina> gatox: you should add tests for what you do in lines 288 and later in the diff.
[14:09] <ralsina> gatox: other than that, I see no problems and it looks much nicer!
[14:09]  * gatox looking...
[14:10] <gatox> ralsina, there is a test for that...... what do you mean?
[14:10] <ralsina> nessita: pushed with the windows tests. I am not 100% sure I added them the right way but they work https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntu-sso-client/log-better/+merge/72573
[14:10] <ralsina> gatox: is there?
[14:10] <gatox> ralsina, test is at line 315 and 326
[14:11] <ralsina> gatox: oh, missed that! +1 then!
[14:11] <gatox> ralsina, and that method is called for all the scenarios
[14:11] <nessita> ralsina: they were not added the right way :-), I'll reply the MP
[14:11] <gatox> ralsina, thanks
[14:11] <ralsina> nessita: ok, thanks!
[14:14] <nessita> ralsina: comment added
[14:14] <ralsina> nessita: thanks!
[14:16] <nessita> gatox: there is 2 styles for QPushButton
[14:16] <nessita> 169+QPushButton{
[14:16] <nessita> and
[14:16] <nessita> 179+QPushButton {
[14:17] <nessita> gatox: also, any reason to move the QFrame#frm_box definition? (ideally we should group this by widget)
[14:20]  * gatox looking.......
[14:25] <nessita> ralsina, mandel, gatox, alecu, Chipaca: let's mumble?
[14:25] <ralsina> nessita: still on mgmt mumble
[14:25] <Chipaca> nessita: in a mumble
[14:25] <ralsina> nessita: should be free in a few minutes
[14:25] <nessita> ralsina, Chipaca: right! let us know please :-)
[14:26] <ralsina> nessita: re-organized the tests, checked lint etc. https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntu-sso-client/log-better/+merge/72573
[14:26] <nessita> ralsina: ack
[14:29] <nessita> ralsina: I think  the test_windows.py is missing
[14:29] <ralsina> nessita: oops, let me check
[14:29] <nessita> with the windows specific stuff (get_special_folders)
[14:30]  * ralsina wishes bzr had a "bzr cp" like other VC thingies do
[14:30] <ralsina> nessita: added and pushed
[14:34] <ralsina> nessita, mandel, gatox, alecu, Chipaca: can we mumble in 10'?
[14:34] <gatox> ralsina, yes
[14:34] <ralsina> so I can mate-up
[14:35] <gatox> nessita, done: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/buttons-ui-style/+merge/72576
[14:36] <nessita> gatox: ack
[14:36] <nessita> ralsina: sure
[14:38] <mandel> ok
[14:39] <dobey> why do people review their own proposals as "resubmit"?
[14:39] <dobey> LP clearly needs some UX work there
[14:44] <nessita> ralsina: a couple of needs fixing added
[14:44] <ralsina> nessita: ok, will check!
[14:46] <mandel> ralsina, when do we have mumble?
[14:46] <ralsina> mandel: about now :-)
[14:47] <fagan> rumble in the mumble
[14:47] <ralsina> nessita, mandel, chipaca: windows mumble?
[14:47] <nessita> in there
[14:47] <mandel> ralsina, then I'm fighting with it to connect :P
[14:47] <ralsina> gatox: you too
[14:47] <nessita> was in the design channel :-)
[14:47] <Chipaca> on mah weg
[14:48] <fagan> mandel: ill loan you some of my bandwidth :D
[14:48] <mandel> fagan, puff... is not only that.. it seems that the entire vodafone network is down... I don't even have a working mobile phone atm
[14:50] <mandel> ralsina, I'm triying and failing...
[14:50] <alecu> verterok, ping
[14:50] <ralsina> mandel: is it mumble, or is it network problems?
[14:50] <alecu> verterok, regarding moving the fix to WindowsTimer issue in https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/fix-vbox-weird-clock/+merge/71965
[14:50] <mandel> ralsina, seems to be mumble since I'm here with no problems what so ever...
[14:51] <ralsina> Chipaca: we are moving to skype because mandel's mumble is broken
[14:51] <alecu> verterok, I'm finding some issues because time.clock returns a float, and adding a decimal amount does not work quite predictably as when adding an integer.
[14:52] <alecu> verterok, my idea is to change both "timestamp" functions to return an integer
[14:52] <mandel> ralsina, I;m on skype already, can you call me to see if it works ok
[14:52] <alecu> verterok, that is, they should be doing the multiplication that is currently being done on _get_next_file_id
[14:53] <ralsina> mandel: seems the call to you fails
[14:53] <Chipaca> ralsina: ok
[14:53] <mandel> hmmmm
[14:54] <verterok> alecu: pong
[14:54] <alecu> verterok, does that make sense?
[14:55] <verterok> alecu: correct me if I'm wrong
[14:55] <verterok> alecu: the problem only happen in windows, right?
[14:55] <alecu> verterok, right
[14:55] <ralsina> Chipaca: you seem offline. Mandel: you too
[14:55] <alecu> verterok, well, I don't know in fact, because I don't run linux on vbox
[14:56] <verterok> alecu: my idea of doing it in the windows timer was to only do the workaround in the case that's affected
[14:56] <alecu> verterok, right, and I liked your idea, and started doing that
[14:56] <verterok> alecu: what about adding a new function that does the timestamp * X?
[14:56] <verterok> alecu: because we are using the timestamp in other places
[14:57] <verterok> alecu: we store a timestamp in each record *inside* the db :)
[14:57] <alecu> verterok, ok, that makes more sense. I'll try that.
[14:57] <verterok> alecu: forget about that...we have that function...and it's get_next_id
[14:58] <verterok> get_next_file_id :po
[14:59] <verterok> alecu: so, adding the log should be good enough :)
[14:59] <alecu> verterok, but get_next_id is also called on linux
[15:00] <verterok> alecu: IMO, makes no sense to add a new function to just do the timestamp() * X and call that in get_next_file_id
[15:00] <alecu> verterok, anyway, it's safe to call it on linux
[15:00] <verterok> alecu: yes, but the change will make it more complex...and that function isn't called that much
[15:00] <verterok> at least not now
[15:01] <verterok> alecu: just add the log, and we are good :)
[15:01] <alecu> verterok, great, thanks!
[15:06] <alecu> nessita, ralsina: my microphone driver is not working right again. I'm typing here, because nobody seems to pay attention to skype.
[15:06] <alecu> ralsina, it seems that mandel is online now
[15:06] <ralsina> ok, calling him
[15:13] <alecu> bug #727396
[15:13] <nessita> alecu: no bot here
[15:13] <alecu> looks like it :P
[15:17] <elopio> good morning!
[15:26] <joshuahoover> dobey: ping
[15:27] <dobey> joshuahoover: hi
[15:27] <joshuahoover> dobey: hi, do we have a mir for ubuntuone-installer? if not, want me to create one?
[15:28] <dobey> we don't yet. we need one
[15:28] <joshuahoover> dobey: k, i'll do that in just a bit
[15:29] <dobey> joshuahoover: ok, thanks
[15:32] <dobey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAEzv-lypmU
[15:37] <dobey> must get some lunch, bbiab
[15:37] <gatox> nessita, done https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/buttons-ui-style/+merge/72576
[15:38] <nessita> ack
[15:42] <ralsina> nessita: I am guessing you leave for college in a few minutes. Could you remove yout needsfixig from https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntu-sso-client/log-better/+merge/72573 and I promise to get another review?
[15:44] <nessita> ralsina: I'm taking my laptop with me, I promise re-reviewing when I finish teaching (6pm)
[15:44] <ralsina> nessita: ok then
[15:45] <nessita> gatox: can you please revert this?
[15:45] <nessita>      <property name="currentIndex">
[15:45] <nessita>       <number>3</number>
[15:45] <nessita>      </property>
[15:45] <nessita> it was 0 before
[15:46] <gatox> nessita, ok
[15:46] <joshuahoover> dobey: once u1-installer is in main, does u1-client get dropped from the cd?
[15:46]  * nessita hopes not
[15:48] <gatox> nessita, reverted
[16:16] <nessita> ok, I'm gone crowd
[16:16] <nessita> email me if you need anything!
[16:16] <nessita> bye
[16:23] <Chipaca> see?
[16:23] <Beret> indeed
[16:23] <Chipaca> rye: ping
[16:25] <Chipaca> Beret: who do I speak with to get a canonical cloak?
[16:26] <Beret> um
[16:26] <Beret> let me check
[16:29] <Chipaca> verterok: over here, in fact
[16:29] <Chipaca> snap-l: hi
[16:29] <snap-l> HI Chipaca. I'm squeekyhoho on twitter. :)
[16:29] <Chipaca> snap-l: I assume you're
[16:29] <Chipaca> yeah
[16:29] <Chipaca> the cmaloney in your cloak :)
[16:30] <Beret> there you are
[16:30] <Beret> snap-l, we should debug your brokenness
[16:30]  * Beret runs
[16:30] <Chipaca> verterok: snap-l. snap-l: verterok
[16:30] <Chipaca> have at it :)
[16:30] <verterok> snap-l: hi!
[16:31] <verterok> so, what's the problem? :p
[16:31] <snap-l> Well, on occasion Ubuntu One won't finish syncing a file
[16:31] <snap-l> it'll just hang
[16:31] <snap-l> and I'll run u1sdtool -q && u1sdtool -c to restart
[16:31] <verterok> snap-l: hang like not uploading anything else or just that file?
[16:31] <snap-l> upon doing so, it'll restart the transfer
[16:32] <snap-l> Well, today it was on one 130MB file
[16:32] <snap-l> I have a 8Mb down / 1Mb up connection via WOW
[16:33] <snap-l> going to head afk for 15 for lunch, but will brb.
[16:34] <alecu> verterok, when you have some time, please re-review https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/fix-vbox-weird-clock/+merge/71965
[16:34] <verterok> snap-l: could you upload the logs? they are located at ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon*.log
[16:34] <verterok> alecu: ok
[16:44] <verterok> snap-l: or you can pastebin the last log files, e.g:  syncdaemon.log.2011-08-23_*.log
[16:50] <dobey> joshuahoover: we'll have to pull numerous things off the CD once in main, yes
[16:50] <dobey> joshuahoover: or well, once we get u1-installer on the CD
[16:50] <mandel> ralsina, gatox, alecu, dobey is EOD for me, I'll see you guys tom :)
[16:51] <dobey> mandel: that's what she said :P
[16:51] <ralsina> see ya!
[16:51] <mandel> dobey, +1 :)
[16:51] <mandel> ralsina, we need to talk from about pycon, I have to get the flight ticket and would be nice to know if we can d a mini-sprint
[16:52] <mandel> ralsina, also, if I'm going to help you in the talk we might want to think about it :)
[16:53] <mandel> ok, bye all!
[16:53]  * mandel runs
[16:54] <dobey> when is pycon?
[16:54] <alecu> dobey, in a month, in junin, buenos aires!
[16:54] <joshuahoover> dobey: do you know which packages we'll be pulling off the cd?
[16:55] <dobey> alecu: oh
[16:56] <alecu> dobey, are you coming too? ;-)
[16:56] <dobey> alecu: no
[16:57] <dobey> joshuahoover: i don't remember what all exactly is on the CD right now. i'd have to find the list to look at
[16:57] <joshuahoover> dobey: k
[17:00] <snap-l> verterok: I'm uploading the logs now.
[17:00] <joshuahoover> dobey: mir filed: bug #832179
[17:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 832179 in ubuntuone-installer (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ubuntuone-installer (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832179
[17:00] <verterok> snap-l: ok, cool. I need to step out for a while, but bbiab.
[17:01] <snap-l> verterok: No worries. Thanks!
[17:02] <dobey> joshuahoover: great
[17:11] <ralsina> facundobatista: a while ago you showed me where syncdaemon was catching all of twisted errors so they didn't go to stderr. I lost it. Could you point me to it again?
[17:31] <gatox> ralsina, some changes in the uninstaller branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/uninstall/+merge/72402
[17:31] <gatox> to move the uninstall implementation to a multiplatform module
[17:31]  * ralsina looks
[17:32] <ralsina> I am thinking that "Disagree & uninstall" button is going to be a problem later, but am still not sure
[17:32] <ralsina> As in "what happens if the admin installs, then the user starts the wizard and clicks uninstall"
[17:32] <ralsina> and then the app is gone for everyone :-)
[17:33] <ralsina> But hey, if he does that he has sysadmin powers so he could do it with the menu. So no harm done
[17:33] <ralsina> gatox: while you are touching there, didn't lisette ask for the "Print" button to go away?
[17:34] <verterok> snap-l: I'm back
[17:34] <gatox> ralsina, didn't know about that
[17:34] <verterok> snap-l: this is the first time you uploaded the file? or a file with the same name?
[17:34] <ralsina> gatox: let me check ...
[17:35] <ralsina> gatox: bug #829361
[17:35] <ubot4> ralsina: Bug 829361 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/829361 is private
[17:36] <gatox> ralsina, okkkkk.... i will apply that changes to this branch too
[17:36] <ralsina> gatox: you could do another branch but since it's two lines...
[17:36] <snap-l> verterok: I believe this is the first time I uploaded this file, but can't say for certain
[17:36] <snap-l> actually, it may not be the first time
[17:37] <ralsina> gatox: also, the tests for utils should be in utils/tests
[17:37] <verterok> snap-l: I mean, a similar or the same file in the same location: "Ubuntu One/<filename.pdf>"
[17:38] <verterok> snap-l: at the first look, it seems like a bug in the client...which is self-healing after a restart
[17:38] <snap-l> I believe it was in a different folder than that.
[17:38] <snap-l> but the same filename
[17:38] <gatox> ralsina, ok, i'll change that
[17:38] <verterok> snap-l: and you moved it or deleted and copied it back?
[17:38] <snap-l> I deleted it a long time ago, and then put the file in a different location to share with a friend.
[17:39] <verterok> snap-l: ah, ok. cool (it's not a move related bug :) )
[17:40] <ralsina> gatox: other than that, great branch!
[17:40] <snap-l> Though I have noticed some instances where I had to create a new folder in order to work around a similar upload bug
[17:43] <verterok> snap-l: hmm, would you mind to run the client with logging configured in DEBUG?
[17:44] <verterok> snap-l: it will use a bit more of disk, as the logs a lot more verbose
[17:44] <snap-l> Sure, but I'll need the switches
[17:44] <snap-l> verterok: Oh, well that'll fill up that 200gb free quicker. ;)
[17:45] <verterok> heh
[17:45] <verterok> snap-l: do you have this file: ~/.config/ubuntuone/logging.conf ?
[17:45] <snap-l> No, I'm missing that file.
[17:45] <verterok> snap-l: if not, just do this to turn on DEBUG logging: echo -e "[logging]\nbackup_count = 10\nfile_size = 0\nlevel = DEBUG"  > ~/.config/ubuntuone/logging.conf
[17:46] <snap-l> OK, got it
[17:47] <verterok> snap-l: that will turn on DEBUG, and keep a single log file for each session (client restart), up until 10 sessions/restarts
[17:47] <verterok> snap-l: now, restart the client and it should be doing debug logs
[17:47] <snap-l> OK, I've restarted the client
[17:48] <verterok> snap-l: I'll discuss what I'm seeing in your logs (I have a theory) with a team mate and try to figure out where the problem is
[17:48] <snap-l> I just deleted the file, and will try uploading it again
[17:48] <verterok> snap-l: if it happen again, please show up here and ping me :)
[17:50] <lisette> ralsina: yes i did ask that
[17:50] <snap-l> verterok: Thanks. Will do
[17:51] <verterok> snap-l: hopefully we will have more detailed logs of what's going on
[17:52] <verterok> Chipaca: so, the good news is that's not a resumable uploads issue
[17:52] <verterok> the bad news is that it seems to be a bug in syncdaemon
[18:01] <gatox> ralsina, changes applied https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/uninstall/+merge/72402
[18:01] <ralsina> gatox: looking!
[18:03] <ralsina> gatox: +1 from me. I only have doubts about having an "uninstall application" button in linux where it makes little sense, but we'll polish that one when we get to linux
[18:04] <gatox> ralsina, yes.....
[18:04] <ralsina> gatox: not that this even _runs_ on linux yet ;-)
[18:04] <gatox> ralsina, :P
[18:05] <ralsina> alecu, gatox: may I interest you in a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-client/log-betterer/+merge/72597
[18:07] <ralsina> dobey: you too can pitch in with a linux review of ^ if you want
[18:11] <gatox> ralsina, on it
[18:11] <ralsina> gatox: thanks!
[18:13] <dobey> ralsina: i think i need to evacuate, from the earthquake :)
[18:14] <ralsina> dobey: that s what she said!
[18:14] <ralsina> dobey: ok, just kidding, hope nothing breaks, good luck, etc ;-)
[18:17] <dobey> hrmm. just tried to call urbanape but my phone was just silent like it wasn't connecting or something
[18:17] <dobey> i guess the phones here are a bit nuts at the moment
[18:19] <ralsina> dobey: as if people were trying to call each other because of an earthquake, you mean?
[18:19] <dobey> yeah
[18:29] <gatox> cuando intento correr los tests me refiero
[18:31] <ralsina> gatox: ogit, try removing _trial_temp first
[18:31] <ralsina> s/ogit/gotiy
[18:31] <ralsina> s/gotiy/gotit/ :-D
[18:31]  * ralsina is typing like a macaque today
[18:32] <ralsina> gatox: also, I don't understand where you are running the tests from / what your PYTHONPATH is
[18:34] <dobey> actually, i could totally use some tea right now
[18:34] <dobey> brb
[18:51] <dobey> bah, i didn't even get to use my free gift card thing
[19:12]  * ralsina is off to pick up the kid from school
[19:34]  * ralsina is back
[19:40] <dobey> whee
[19:51] <ralsina> dobey: if you are not a refugee anymore, can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-client/log-betterer/+merge/72597 from the linux side? It is basically a no-op there :-)
[19:53] <dobey> aww, do i have to? i was busy complaining about gtk3
[19:53] <ralsina> dobey: only if you have the time
[19:54] <ralsina> I know complaining about gtk3 is a time-consuming thing
[19:54] <dobey> ralsina: so you moved the stuff out of ubuntuone-client, and into ubuntu-sso-client is all?
[19:54] <ralsina> dobey: yep
[19:54] <ralsina> it also means you have to update sso on tarmac, I think
[19:55] <dobey> ralsina: then i don't see a problem. yes i suppose i do; and you need to get nessita to review it anyway :)
[19:55] <ralsina> chicken! ;-)
[19:56] <dobey> no. there is a review requested from her specifically on LP
[19:56] <ralsina> uh?
[19:56] <dobey> and if it is still Pending, the branch won't land anyway
[19:56] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-client/log-betterer/+merge/72597 <- "Natalia Bidart --- Pending"
[19:56] <ralsina> weird, I didn't ask for her specifically
[19:56] <dobey> maybe she clicked the "claim this review" button?
[19:57] <ralsina> could be
[19:57] <ralsina> oh, well, onto other things then
[19:57] <dobey> where is she anyway? uni?
[19:57] <ralsina> dobey: yeah
[19:57] <ralsina> should be back in one hour anyway
[19:58] <dobey> fml. i hate urllib
[19:58] <dobey> urllib2.URLError: <urlopen error ftp error: [Errno 111] Connection refused>
[19:58] <dobey> for a file://localhost/blah/blah url
[19:58] <dobey> i wonder if it is a separate package from python core
[20:00] <ralsina> urllib2? seems to be core
[20:00] <ralsina> dobey: it's core python http://docs.python.org/library/urllib2.html
[20:01] <dobey> sigh
[20:12] <dobey> ralsina: anyway, sso is updated, so tarmac will land your branch once approved
[20:13] <ralsina> dobey: cool, thznks
[20:27] <ralsina> alecu: ping
[20:28] <alecu> ralsina, pong
[20:28] <ralsina> alecu: got 5' for some technical questions?
[20:29] <alecu> ralsina, sure. What questions should I ask? :-)
[20:29] <ralsina> alecu: nah, I am the asker :-)
[20:29] <ralsina> alecu: check http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/673354/
[20:30] <ralsina> specifically lines 32/44
[20:30] <ralsina> I am trying to make absolutely sure we don't write to stderr on windows, to avoid the crap py2exe does with it
[20:30] <alecu> right
[20:31] <ralsina> I know I am missing something to catch twisted's exceptions too
[20:31] <ralsina> but anyway, I am scared at how ugly this is
[20:32] <alecu> so, what does it happen on setup_logging?
[20:32] <alecu> let's see...
[20:32] <ralsina> alecu: if setup_logging raises something, it all breaks
[20:33] <ralsina> alecu: I had (for a few seconds) a noop lambda as excepthook before setup_logging :-)
[20:34] <alecu> ralsina, hmmm. I really need to run now, but I'll take a look at this later.
[20:34] <ralsina> alecu: ok
[20:35] <alecu> ralsina, but anyway, I have not delved too much into how the twisted loggers are set up. I think we should ask facundo when he returns tomorrow.
[20:35] <ralsina> alecu: ok
[20:36]  * alecu runs away from all the loggers. And from the keyboard, too.
[20:50] <jo-erlend> is it normal for desktopcouch to not be available in Oneiric?
[20:53] <dobey> jo-erlend: what do you mean by not available?
[20:54] <jo-erlend> dobey, whenever I try to use anything related to desktopcouch, I get an error like this: (Unauthorized: ('unauthorized', 'Authentication required.'))
[20:55] <jo-erlend> however, Firefox is able to access it when I point to the couchdb.html file. All other applications get that error message.
[20:56] <dobey> jo-erlend: ah yes, there are lots of bug reports about it. seems new couchdb in oneiric possibly broke oauth; but we haven't had time to debug it ourselves :(
[20:57] <jo-erlend> ah, ok. It's a little bit annoying since I'm working on a couch app, but as long as people are aware of it, I'm sure it'll get fixed soon :)
[20:58] <dobey> i hope so. i'm tired of seeing the bug reports :)
[21:00] <jo-erlend> but this will probably further delay the u1 couch service?
[21:03] <dobey> you mean the server issue that only affects some users?
[21:04] <jo-erlend> only some users? I haven't been able to find anyone who doesn't have that problem.
[21:17] <dobey> ralsina: sigh. looks like i have to update the packaging too, for ubuntu-sso-client :(
[21:17] <dobey> wait, no
[21:17] <dobey> ralsina: *thwap*
[21:18] <dobey> ralsina: you need to fix setup.py in ubuntu-sso-client also
[21:28] <karni> duanedesign: around?
[21:30] <dobey> have a good evening everyone!
[21:32] <elopio> bye dobey.
[21:51] <Chipaca> ralsina: ping
[22:25] <duanedesign> hello karni
[22:26] <duanedesign> karni: sorry i missed you i was answering Forum posts
[22:26] <karni> duanedesign: that's ok. I wanted to ask something about VPS. oh I know
[22:26] <duanedesign> i need to get my notifications to work when I am pinged in IRC
[22:27] <karni> duanedesign: I wanted to ask what would you suggest for a VPS, 10.04 LTS or 11.04
[22:27] <karni> duanedesign: I went with 10.04, it's probably better documented, and still supported
[22:28] <duanedesign> yeah, on a VPS definitely an LTS, In my humble opinion
[22:28] <karni> ktnx :)
[22:28] <duanedesign> karni: i have an old release on mine
[22:28] <karni> uhm
[22:29] <duanedesign> I keep putting of upgrading it
[22:29] <duanedesign> s/of/off
[22:46] <nhaines> karni: I have Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS on this VPS too.  :)
[22:47] <karni> nhaines: hezner.de ?
[22:47] <karni> nhaines: I didn't write where I had it set up, how would you know :)?
[22:49] <nhaines> karni: haha, vaalbara.nhaines.com I mean.  :)
[22:49] <nhaines> Or actually, prgmr.net!
[22:49] <karni> nhaines: on `the` VPS you mean :) cool!
[22:49] <nhaines> Also by "prgmr.net" I mean "prgmr.com"
[22:50] <nhaines> karni: I mean "this" one, where I run screen/byobu and irssi and idle all day.  ;)
[22:50] <karni> I like it short, karni.tk (nothing there ATM)
[22:50] <karni> nhaines: oh right :)
[22:50] <nhaines> vaalbara's just the VPS I use for shell stuff... www.* is using shared hosting.
[22:51] <nhaines> So it uses the naming scheme I have for my computers.. biomes for systems and supercontinents for servers.  :)
[22:53] <karni> nhaines: pretty cool, I can't come up with cool naming patter. maybe because I only own a laptop, and now a VPS :)
[22:53] <nhaines> karni: sure, I have tundra, tropic, arctic, prairie, desert, forest, jungle.... my router is pangea and my VPS is vaalbara.  :)
[22:54] <nhaines> Some of those names are retired... I don't have that many computers, hehe.
[23:12] <karni> duanedesign: is Ubuntu One Files a [ubuntu_mobile] or [other] prefix?
[23:14] <karni> duanedesign: sticky please :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11180509
[23:15] <duanedesign> woot
[23:16] <karni> duanedesign: If you could correct my grammar in the first post, that'd be most awesome :)
[23:20] <karni> CardinalFang: hi Chad, you got disconnected
[23:20] <CardinalFang> karni, yes, I left.  Back now.
[23:20] <CardinalFang> ...for a bit.
[23:21] <karni> CardinalFang: I sent you an e-mail.
[23:21] <karni> Short one
[23:22] <CardinalFang> karni, hrm.
[23:23] <CardinalFang> karni, ah, that's a 404.  I haven't implemented the ser'n file removal yet.
[23:23]  * CardinalFang does it now.
[23:24] <karni> cool
[23:28] <duanedesign> karni: and it is done
[23:28] <karni> duanedesign: muchly thank you!
[23:28] <duanedesign> god idea. I am anxious to see what kind of response you get
[23:28] <duanedesign> s/god/good
[23:29] <duanedesign> karni: I started 'Questions' on the facebook page. The first question was what is your favorite U1 feature
[23:30] <duanedesign> karni: Android App was number one, until the new plans came out and 5GB storage is now 1 Android Aoo 2
[23:32] <karni> duanedesign: hahahah, sweet. thanks :)
[23:32] <ralsina> karni: isn't it like 3 AM over there? GO TO SLEEP DUDE :-D
[23:33] <karni> ralsina: only 1:33 ;)
[23:34] <karni> ralsina: I'll leave in 1h tops. probably :)
[23:34] <ralsina> hehehe I don't believe you ;-)
[23:34] <karni> hyhyhy
[23:35] <karni> ralsina: in the mean time, I purchased a VPS at hezner. I was shocked it took only like 15-20 minutes to have it set up with Ubuntu 10.04.
[23:35] <ralsina> hezner? Had not heard of them
[23:36] <ralsina> I have some at tektonic.net and one very cheap one at burst.net
[23:37] <karni> ralsina: burst.net is pretty cheap indeed o_O
[23:37] <nhaines> prgmr.net is only $5/mo for 1.5GB space and 64MB RAM.  :)
[23:38] <nhaines> Whoa, burst.net *is* cheap!  o_O;;
[23:39] <karni> nhaines: hahah, that's a little to little :) still, someone might like that $5/mo option
[23:39] <nhaines> karni: it works for me!  Just idling in IRC all day and occasionally playing nethack.  :)
[23:39] <karni> nhaines: :)
[23:40] <ralsina> karni: I got one with a coupon for $4.50 a month
[23:41] <karni> nice
[23:41] <ralsina> I think it's the 256 or 512 RAM 10GB disk
[23:41] <nhaines> I'm going to keep an eye on burst.net if I need something serious in the future.
[23:41] <ralsina> I have never done anything too heavy on burst, but rye uses them and likes them. Good for a US VPN/proxy too
[23:42] <nhaines> Netflix fans take note I guess!
[23:43] <ralsina> nhaines: have not tried netflix, but with openvpn, squid and iptables you can fool Hulu ;-)
[23:44] <nhaines> Oh, well, there you go.  ;)
[23:45] <karni> on burst.net you'd have to request installation of Ubuntu (if you wish), it's not listed
[23:46] <karni> but pricing is really good
[23:47] <nhaines> karni: Ubuntu 8, 9, and 10 are listed.
[23:48] <karni> nhaines: can't see 'ubuntu' keyboard on http://burst.net/policy/managed.shtml
[23:48] <karni> nhaines: where did you find it
[23:48] <karni> ?
[23:48] <nhaines> karni: http://burst.net/linvps.shtml
[23:49] <karni> awesome


[16:07] <marcoceppi> I don't mean to sound silly, but what does NIH stand for? never have I seen an acronym used so much in a single subject matter!
[16:37] <marcoceppi> Not Invented Here. Awesome


[01:07] <Quintasan> Well, looks like I'm partly to blame for the changelog magic Riddell since I missed it
[01:08] <Quintasan> Also, I do believe we'd MIGHT want to patch solid if we want to provide battery information
[01:11] <Quintasan> Though it would be more beneficial if upstream applied that patch
[01:11] <Quintasan> Though I think it's highly unlikely
[01:11]  * Quintasan goes to bed
[03:56] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: I hope you had debs before you slept :P
[04:47] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: "Successfully uploaded packages." but ppa is empty
[06:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:32] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon (morning in IRC speak) people
[07:33] <lordievader> Hehe, hey smartboyhw
[07:33] <smartboyhw> lordievader, hello
[08:01] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion libmm-qt 0.5.0
[08:01] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1223713
[08:09] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1223699] klipper hangs after launch in Unity @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1223699 (by Dmitriy "Simplehuman" Fedorov)
[08:34] <smartboyhw> The worst thing from dh 8 -> dh 9: The symbols is all changed-.-
[08:34] <yofel> er, that shouldn't happen I think...
[08:35] <smartboyhw> yofel, it happened to me before
[08:35] <smartboyhw> So, not a stranger to me
[08:35] <yofel> hm, ok...
[08:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ScottK: Bug 1223713
[08:51] <smartboyhw> Please ACK
[09:08] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion libnm-qt 0.9.0
[09:08] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1223738
[09:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: our friends in Bilbao?
[09:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: best get it packaged then :)
[09:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, get what packaged?
[09:49] <Riddell> smartboyhw: pdf menu for our friends in bilbao http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37321
[09:50] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm, a new release of plasma-nm too
[09:50]  * smartboyhw is a bit busy-.-
[09:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think you can give KDE Menu to Odur for some packaging tutorial
[09:53] <Riddell> Odur: go for it
[09:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: why this change?
[09:55] <Riddell>  Package: libmodemmanagerqt0
[09:55] <Riddell> -Section: libs
[09:57] <Riddell> uploaded!
[09:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: still working on libnm-qt?
[09:58] <Riddell> accepted anyway
[10:03] <Odur> Riddell,  smartboyhw : not this week... Maybe in the weekend.
[10:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you know, it shouldn't be duplicated
[10:14] <smartboyhw> It will cause a Lintian Pedantic warning;P
[10:14] <smartboyhw> (So, none is better)
[10:15] <smartboyhw> And still working in libnm-qt
[10:15] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ah sensible enough
[10:15] <Riddell> now this is a good answer on fixing a bug http://paste.kde.org/p3f1a3482/
[10:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[10:17] <soee> somone can take a look at my question on #kubuntu ? :)
[10:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, don't forget, libmm-qt will need a binary NEW
[10:21] <smartboyhw> (Since I added a -dbg package)
[10:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+files/libnm-qt_0.9.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[10:24]  * smartboyhw goes for a shower before revising Chemistry and dealing with plasma-nm
[10:55] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion plasma-nm <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:55] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1223817
[11:00] <smartboyhw> pkg-has-shlibs-control-file-but-no-actual-shared-libs in plasma-nm
[11:00] <smartboyhw> It isn't supposed to have any shared libraries, right?
[11:02] <Riddell> no, I think that's about /usr/lib/libplasmanm-editor.so which is an unversioned library
[11:03] <Riddell> would be better to have that in /usr/lib/kde4
[11:03] <Riddell> but we can ignore it
[11:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you got libnm-qt uploaded?
[11:05] <smartboyhw> And you got libmm-qt out of NEW?
[11:05] <smartboyhw> Ah, you did:P
[11:05] <Riddell> working on it, yes I did
[11:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I'm thinking if adding kdeconnect-kde to the meta will be a good idea -.-
[11:14] <soee> smartboyhw, will you add kde-connect to raring ?
[11:15] <smartboyhw> soee, I'm working on another package here, ask somebody else to backport
[11:16] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah it might well be
[11:17] <smartboyhw> soee, not to mention I got a Chemistry test tmr
[11:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[11:17] <smartboyhw> (As recommends for sure)
[11:18] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but is it stable enough currently?  also it has no translations
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah, that's the problem
[11:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ask upstream if they'd recommend it? and if they will do translations?
[11:20] <jussi> bah, lost the link to the munich thing... anyone?
[11:20] <yofel> http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2013/09/debian-kubuntu-bug-squashing-party-2013/
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can you ask them?
[11:25] <soee> can someone check on google docs if the option do add fonts still exists ? i dont see it on my account
[11:27] <soee> ok sorry looks like its not working for polish language :<
[11:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I'm not going to apply for FFe for plasma-nm, since the release only deletes a feature (a.k.a. disabling KCM)
[11:29] <smartboyhw> See https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/network/plasma-nm/repository/diff?rev=b75772852cba1ada3166dd2540e29b42a25084bb&rev_to=7bb2b7701ddc37dc57a01bd9a2bc0860e2167baf
[11:30] <smartboyhw> (As compared to the package in archive
[11:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+files/plasma-nm_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1.dsc
[11:35] <smartboyhw> Mmm!
[11:35] <smartboyhw> http://nos.isaacscomputertips.com/
[11:35] <smartboyhw> (Saw it in DistroWatch)
[11:48] <Quintasan> \o
[12:19] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1223699] klipper hangs after launch in Unity @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1223699 (by Dmitriy "Simplehuman" Fedorov)
[12:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can you please NEW the binaries of libnm-qt
[12:28] <Quintasan> kubotu: order beer for Riddell
[12:28]  * kubotu gives Riddell a nice frosty mug of beer.
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Eh hum, I thought of something
[12:37] <smartboyhw> We picked Amarok out of armhf in our seeds since it wasn't building at that time
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Now it works, aren't we supposed to put it back?
[12:42] <yofel> yes, we should
[12:42] <smartboyhw> yofel, iI'm proposing merge proposal
[12:42] <smartboyhw> https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu-seeds/return-arm-amarok/+merge/185039
[12:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I'm updating Vc
[12:46] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ace thanks
[12:46] <Riddell> Quintasan: my office did just have a talk from the office brewer http://www.barneysbeer.com/  it's good stuff
[12:49] <smartboyhw> Nobody merges? https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu-seeds/return-arm-amarok/+merge/185039
[12:54] <Riddell> kubotu: thanks for the beer https://twitter.com/EdTechCube/status/377759240540004353
[12:57] <Quintasan> OOOh,
[12:58] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, ?
[12:58] <Quintasan> I was not sure how's the beer relevant to anything
[12:58] <Quintasan> But it's beer so it's always relevant
[12:59] <Quintasan> aww
[12:59] <apachelogger> time to fix the topic
[13:00] <smartboyhw> Yep.
[13:00] <Quintasan> I don't even get support from apachelogger when it comes to beer?
[13:00] <Quintasan> ;_;
[13:00] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, considering you got minors here that can't drink beer, I have decided to remove any alcoholic contents from the topic
[13:01] <Riddell> for some definition of can't
[13:01] <smartboyhw> EH!?
[13:01] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Sorry to say but minors are the MINORITY here :P
[13:01] <Quintasan> HELL YEAH
[13:01] <Quintasan> kubotu: order beer for everyone
[13:01]  * kubotu is going to his secret storehouse to get beer for everyone - might take some time.
[13:01]  * kubotu is back and slides beer down the bar to everyone
[13:01] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, you're removing the time for the meeting as well, uh hum
[13:02] <yofel> lol
[13:02] <Quintasan> It's still not there
[13:02] <apachelogger> I know, sometime ago in the 80s Microsoft engineered their way to a thing called calendar
[13:02] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, yes I know
[13:02] <apachelogger> why it's the most curious thing for it keeps all the appointments in one place
[13:02] <apachelogger> quite the exciting tech
[13:02] <apachelogger> can only recommend it
[13:02] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, which does not in any sense remind people;P
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Hmm, wait
[13:03] <apachelogger> that's why in the 90s they invented the popup
[13:03] <apachelogger> it revolutionized the entire industry
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Shorter topic!
[13:03] <apachelogger> for now dinwos popped up
[13:03] <apachelogger> and if you did not poke outlook soon enough it would keep piling these windows
[13:03] <apachelogger> and when you returned to your desktop after lunch it would be filled with windows
[13:04] <apachelogger> or you had gotten a very particular kind of virus, of course then the windows wouldn't be reminders but instead ladies dancing
[13:04] <apachelogger> an entirely different story
[13:04] <smartboyhw> WHAT?!
[13:04] <apachelogger> yes
[13:04] <apachelogger> wicked times
[13:04] <smartboyhw> That's a nice MIcrosoft bug
[13:05] <Quintasan> It's not a bug.
[13:05] <Quintasan> It's a feature
[13:05] <apachelogger> it's a virus
[13:05] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, no, it's a easter egg
[13:05] <apachelogger> no bug involved
[13:05] <apachelogger> for anyone can create a window
[13:05] <apachelogger> so you open many windows of the mighty internet explorer and stuff would happen
[13:05]  * smartboyhw regrets using -j2 to build vc
[13:05] <smartboyhw> SO SLOW
[13:05] <apachelogger> nowadays we call that malware
[13:05] <apachelogger> not sure why
[13:05] <Quintasan> >internet explorer
[13:06] <Quintasan> stopped reading right there
[13:06] <smartboyhw> In our school, one of the mottos are: "Internet Explorer is the downloader of Google Chrome and that's it."
[13:07] <apachelogger> it's funny because rekonq wasn't even able to do that last cycle
[13:08] <apachelogger> and yet people complain about internet explorer
[13:09] <Quintasan> lol rekonq
[13:09] <Riddell> ktp 0.7 in the air?
[13:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, really?
[13:09] <Quintasan> What
[13:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you want me to prepare a kubuntu-meta upload for the amarok "return-to-arm"? The merge proposal is merged
[13:14] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah go for it
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, BTW, have you uploaded plasma-nm for me?
[13:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:25] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1183031] package kdm 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/k... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183031 (by Fila Kolodny)
[13:27] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion vc 0.7.3
[13:27] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1223876
[13:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: still on the todo
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sure
[13:33] <smartboyhw> Sponsorship required for https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+files/kubuntu-meta_1.289.dsc
[13:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: going to add a versioned depends on the new versions of libnm and libmm and upload plasma-nm
[13:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ACK
[13:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: onto it
[13:37] <Riddell> smartboyhw: uploaded, you're on a roll today, give yourself a pat on the back :)
[13:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I still got Vc here;P
[13:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can you ACK Bug 1223876?
[13:38] <apachelogger> vc stands for VastlyCoordinated(work)
[13:38] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I agree:P
[13:39] <smartboyhw> https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+files/vc_0.7.3-0ubuntu1.dsc
[13:46] <Riddell> smartboyhw: onto it
[13:46] <Riddell> smartboyhw: did you test krita with it?
[13:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: inface its statically compiled so you'll need to recompile calligra
[13:47] <Riddell> infact
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ouch
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, just need to -0ubuntu2 it?
[13:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah, with a versioned build-dep
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, doping
[13:51] <smartboyhw> *doing
[13:51] <smartboyhw> LOL dopign
[13:52] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how am I supposed to test Krita *with it*?
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Build it?
[13:54] <smartboyhw> And run it?
[13:54]  * smartboyhw is not familiar with Krita
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+files/calligra_2.7.2-0ubuntu2.dsc
[13:59]  * smartboyhw is starting to think that Riddell is buried under his sponsorship requests-.-
[14:00] <apachelogger> I  think beer.
[14:19] <Riddell> smartboyhw: onto it
[14:19] <Riddell> smartboyhw: did you test it?
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't know how to-.-
[14:19]  * smartboyhw doesn't know where the feature is used
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell, and building Calligra takes a long long time
[14:19] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well run krita and make sure it draws things, I can upload if you promise to test when it's compiled in the archive
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sure, it's easier then
[14:20] <smartboyhw> I might not test it today but tmr
[14:20] <smartboyhw> (HK archive mirror is a bit behind)
[14:52] <Riddell> vc and calligra uploaded!
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thank you, will test it tomorrow. I'm a bit tired now:P
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, BTW, make sure you move vc by yourself
[14:55] <smartboyhw> (After all, arm and ppc fail)
[15:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh good I'm not going mad pykde really doesn't compile with current pyqt, QList<double> was removed
[15:27] <Riddell> rdieter: ^^
[15:27] <Riddell> doesn't explain the current issue with nepomuk
[15:27] <rdieter> Riddell: hola
[15:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, heh heh heh
[15:28] <Riddell> although might be similar, QList<Nepomuk::Variant> might need the same thing
[15:31] <rdieter> Riddell: what was the ping for? recent sip-4.15 fun?
[15:32] <Riddell> rdieter: yep
[15:33] <Riddell> rdieter: does fedora have the same issues?
[15:33] <rdieter> k, I'm still sitting on 4.14.x
[15:33] <Riddell> rdieter: best keep it there :)
[15:33] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1223928 for your SRU hat
[15:33] <rdieter> sounds like it, i didn't have time to futz with this
[15:47]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/11/medibuntu-disappear-libdvdcss-now-direct-videolan
[15:50] <Quintasan> Errr
[15:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: I still think the videlan site should give a command using add-apt-repository
[16:18] <debfx> apachelogger: are you sure add-apt-repository supports importing keys from non-ppa repos?
[16:19] <apachelogger> it certainly supports adding the entry
[16:19] <apachelogger> keys may require a file to be somewhere though
[16:19] <apachelogger> needs RTFM I guess, which I have not done
[16:19] <apachelogger> I just happen to always use add-apt-repository 'deb foofofo'
[16:30] <Tm_T> mmmmh
[16:30] <Tm_T> "Uploading to ppa (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net):" and "Successfully uploaded packages." but nothing on the ppa
[16:30] <Tm_T> that's second time already
[16:30] <yofel> Tm_T: does launchpad know your key?
[16:30] <yofel> gpg key
[16:31] <Tm_T> yofel: yes
[16:31] <Tm_T> yofel: shouldn't it complain if it didn't?
[16:31] <yofel> are you sure the package is signed with *that* key?
[16:31] <Tm_T> ahha, it does know the ssh key, but not gpg key
[16:32] <Tm_T> or openpgp
[16:32] <yofel> well, the dput check is pretty lightweight, it catches only the client side issues
[16:32] <yofel> if launchpad doesn't know the key, then it doesn't know which user uploaded and whom to send the error mail to
[16:32] <yofel> it doesn't randomly send mails to the person in the changelog
[16:33] <Tm_T> yeah
[16:44] <Tm_T> yofel: thanks, I think that was it
[16:44] <yofel> \o/
[16:44] <Tm_T> I also had to try the gpg addition twice to it actually do it, interesting
[16:45] <Tm_T> maybe I did hit "cancel" instead of "confirm" at first try
[16:47] <Tm_T> yup, now to wait it to get build, several hours later maybe
[17:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Probably not before Friday.
[17:16] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:08] <lordievader> Hmm no aaron around?
[18:18] <Pici> lordievader: are you sure you're in the right place?
[18:18] <Pici> lordievader: er
[18:18] <lordievader> Pici: Yes, he is here from time to time. Usually when I'm not around :(
[18:18] <Pici> lordievader: sorry, I thought *I* was in some other place
[18:18]  * Pici wanders off
[18:19] <lordievader> Right, ahoneybun was his nick.
[18:19] <lordievader> Pici: No problem ;)
[19:10] <Tm_T> hah, only few firefox builds https://launchpad.net/builders
[23:07] <shadeslayer> hey hey


[00:59] <Bashing-om> Michael Larabel is some kind of prolifferant . Getting boreing " Michael Larabel writes " .
[01:01] <krytarik> Could always variate at the verb at least though! :P
[01:52] <Bashing-om> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rise-Tomb-Raider-Linux-Tomorrow is outdated by the former article . remove it ?
[01:56] <Bashing-om> http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-applications-open-source-software-suite-gets-first-major-release-in-2018-520768.shtml though more detailed is a repeat of the ups Michael Larabel article .
[01:58] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, by what former article?
[02:04] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I realize that link that Tomb Raider has already been released today but I see it as just a way to let people know that it has been released, just my opinion we will see what krytarik thinks and the second link to me in no way just restates that gnome has been released it talks about many apps so, I looked that that before I posted it, I think it is good to keep it again just my opinion I am not an expert at this
[02:17] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I have been thinking about the Tomb Raider link since it will be next week before we publish I think you are correct we should remove it, we can probably find an updated one to replace it with
[02:23] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Does not this suffuce for Tomb raider "https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=tomb-raider-20 ' in our summary ?
[02:25] <krytarik> Someone please reword the KDE Applications summary. :P
[02:27] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, that will do, I looked at the the kde application link again and the writer of that article changed his article from just talking about Dolphin to include all the things in the link you posted so it is a duplicate now but the second link is better I think we should leave that one and remove the first one
[02:28] <krytarik> Or in fact, pick the Softpedia one in favor of that.
[02:28] <Wild_Man> krytarik, that is what I am saying as well, it is better in my opinion
[02:29] <krytarik> Yeah, I've just read your last message. :)
[02:31] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I am curious do it show me logged into gdoc? I see you and Bashing-om but not myself, I assume that is the way gdoc is supposed to be
[02:31] <Wild_Man> do/does
[02:31] <krytarik> Yeah, one always just sees the other ones.
[02:31] <Wild_Man> ok
[02:33] <Wild_Man> I hope Bashing-om looks in here to see what we said about removing that link because I think he is trying to rewrite the summary, I wonder if I should remove it?
[02:34] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Agreed .. to scrap Michael Larabel's article and write up the release article .
[02:34] <krytarik> Yeep! :D
[02:35] <krytarik> Also, the robot summary is both too short and the sentence doesn't really make sense to me at the end.
[02:35] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I am not good at grammar these days, why does not summary need rewritten?
[02:36] <Wild_Man> not/that, I really need to triple check my typing before posting in here
[02:36] <krytarik> Also, keep in mind that this time we'll also try and sling in the other editors - so there will hopefully a bit more review be going on than just us three.
[02:38] <Wild_Man> I hope more summary writers as well but I would hate to leave the summaries until the weekend and be disappointed, so I do not know.
[02:38] <Wild_Man> I only received four replies out of about 30
[02:46] <guiverc> Wild_Man: as someone who wrote to writers regularly after summaries, 4 replies of 30 is actually very good!  Lyz would probably say its an outstanding response!  likewise Simon..
[02:47] <Wild_Man> guiverc, It sure is better then none
[02:48] <guiverc> also I only have 'view mode' to doc, writers will need write access to gdoc too
[02:50] <krytarik> guiverc: If you would like write access to it, PM me your email address and I can add you.
[02:55] <Wild_Man> krytarik, did you look the gdoc down so people can not easily edit it?
[02:56] <guiverc> PM - you're stretching an old guy like me...  (let me know you got it)
[02:57] <krytarik> Wild_Man: We did last we after a lengthy discussion - don't you remember?
[02:57] <krytarik> ..Week.
[02:57] <Wild_Man> lets not talk about getting older guiverc
[02:57] <Wild_Man> I was not sure that it was actually done
[02:58] <Wild_Man> Yes I remember the discussion
[02:59] <Wild_Man> I hope if the summary writers show up to write that they pop in here.
[03:00] <guiverc> Would be nice, but I never saw it  (I didn't do email summaries that long anyway  -- i did ~50 contribs before I actually entered this room anyway
[03:01] <Wild_Man> I am afraid if the come and see they can not write to the gdoc that they will just leave
[03:01] <Wild_Man> the/they
[03:07] <krytarik> Well, I certainly don't want to check every day if anybody has planted an easter egg someplace in it.. :P  Unlike just deleting the whole thing like last week, which is pretty obvious.
[03:08] <krytarik> And e.g. my computer can't really handle the docs' history function at all, so..
[03:09] <Wild_Man> Do you want to add the emails of the people that replied and said they would help? or wait until they show up?
[03:09] <krytarik> If they are Gmail ones, I guess yes.
[03:09] <Wild_Man> they have to be gmail?
[03:10] <krytarik> Yep, or connected to it.
[03:11] <oerheks><EMAIL_ADDRESS>was not valid :-(
[03:11] <guiverc> why not just mention in email that they'll need to request-write access (if they don't already have it)... ie. warning & be ready for responses...
[03:12] <guiverc> i noted a 'request write' access on gdoc (alas after I'd mentioned access here)
[03:16] <Wild_Man> guiverc, that is what I was thinking of doing, is editing the email that goes out to the summary writers
[03:17] <guiverc> :)
[04:09] <Bashing-om> We have enough material ? ( still need to populate general) Do we want to write up a success story on the Dell XPS on 18.04 ?
[04:10] <Bashing-om> https://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2018/04/a-month-with-dell-xps-13-9370/
[04:12] <krytarik> General is really only for official community news.
[04:15] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, we can probably use it but as krytarik said not in General, I am having trouble finding articles to put in this section
[04:15] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yup, and my official community news sources are skimppy this week :P
[04:16] <krytarik> Iirc it isn't always populated.
[04:17] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Well, yeah .. got nothing to say, best say nothing :)
[04:17] <krytarik> Yuup! :)
[04:22] <krytarik> Bashing-om: As to the above post, maybe replace the literally one-sentence gksu one with it..?
[04:23] <krytarik> Could write about the OMG post on it instead then if you'd like.
[04:24] <krytarik> ..Or that was someplace else.
[04:26] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Might be able to flesh out the gksu issue ,, seen some flack in the channels in that respect .
[04:26] <krytarik> I mean it's kind of important, so we should find some proper post about it.
[04:27] <Bashing-om> krytarik: See what i can find - uncle Google !
[04:27] <krytarik> Yep!  At it too! :P
[04:28] <krytarik> Or just wait two days.. :P
[04:30] <Bashing-om> Saturday will bring it's own problems . let us deal with what is now . gksu !
[04:33] <Wild_Man> the one I posted by Jeremy Bicha has a link to the bug report on how to do it now, he is the dev that removed it
[04:33] <krytarik> Yeah, but no details whatsoever..
[04:36] <krytarik> I mean that's like linking to the bug report directly - except with one more click.
[04:37] <krytarik> http://www.linux-magazin.de/news/ubuntu-18-04-lts-verzichtet-auf-gksu/ - the German one I had in mind there instead btw. :P
[04:38] <krytarik> So I'd say we wait a day at least and see what more pops up.
[04:38] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yup seen that , points to : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=892768 and we can reference the bug to flesh out the summary .
[04:38] <krytarik> That's like writing a post yourself..
[04:39] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Would for sure be stretching the definition of "summary" .
[04:40] <Wild_Man> this is from today https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2389656&highlight=gksusetting it up is a bother
[04:40] <krytarik> Yes...
[04:40] <Bashing-om> krytarik: As An aside, I have no used gksu in ages ... since I seen the man page for ' sudo -H ' .
[04:41] <krytarik> I'll go to bed now, good night folks! :)
[04:41] <krytarik> I have never used 'sudo -H' myself yet tbh.
[04:42] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, sudo -H no longer works either
[04:43] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I still use it here on xubuntu 18.04 .
[04:43] <Wild_Man> I tried earlier on Ubuntu it is a no go
[04:43] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Ouch .. lemme test ! updates may have killed it .
[04:44] <krytarik> Who needs root anymore... :D
[04:44] <Wild_Man> I do!
[04:44] <krytarik> Such a stickler to the core..
[04:45] <Wild_Man> Yep!
[04:45] <krytarik> Fwiw, I always use 'sudo -i'.. :P
[04:46] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: ' sudo -H ' upper case h .. still works for me .
[04:46] <Wild_Man> that is good
[04:47] <Wild_Man> krytarik, sudo -i does work
[04:47] <krytarik> See, I always use the most robust stuff! :P
[04:47] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: However, I can believe that I must learn policyKit .
[04:48] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, sudo -H works for me now, I guess 18.04 was acting up earlier
[04:48] <Wild_Man> I tried several times earlier and it did not work
[04:48] <krytarik> "Don't work"... :D
[04:49] <krytarik> Details, dude!
[04:49] <Wild_Man> I use the terminal for almost everything these days
[04:49] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Them there Grimlins .. never can tell what they are up to .
[04:49] <krytarik> I got Lynx there.. :P
[04:50] <Wild_Man> indeed
[04:54] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Should we stretch "summary" an in the gksu article also give the debian bug report link ?
[04:55] <Wild_Man> Yes I think so
[04:56] <Wild_Man> No, I just remembered that it says no links in the summary its self, you have to add it after the summary
[04:57] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, ^^
[04:57] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Let's see if it flies by a sweep :) // that is waht I meant to ass it after the header's link .
[04:57] <Bashing-om> ass/*add
[04:57] <Wild_Man> ok
[05:06] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Like so - have a look - is what I suggest . And rest on it .
[05:11] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, maybe I am getting to tired, you want me to look at the gksu article right? I do not see the link to the bug report
[05:12] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I did add a link under the General Section that I think can stay there
[05:12] <Wild_Man> I think it is time to call it a night
[05:13] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I placed it right below the https://jeremy.bicha link .
[05:13] <Wild_Man> maybe I need to refresh the page
[05:15] <Wild_Man> it showed up after refreshing the page, that works for me
[05:16] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, tomorrow we probably should adjust the summary to say the bug report link is included?
[05:16] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: So yes .. let's call it a night :)
[05:16] <Wild_Man> Indeed!
[05:16] <Wild_Man> see you tomorrow after I get done at the VA
[05:17] <Wild_Man> Thanks for all the great work!
[05:17] <Bashing-om> Nite nite - do not let the bed bugs bite :P
[05:17] <Wild_Man> Night
[18:40] <Bashing-om> Taking a break from mowing - catch up on where we are for publishing . I see we have added help :)
[18:45] <krytarik> Yes! :)
[19:22] <Bashing-om> At a stopping place, back to mowing . I return here soonest :)
[19:27] <krytarik> Now, wrt this channel's ACL: 1.) Who is Beuno..?  And 2.) I'd like to have op rights too (I'm no Ubuntu member yet still), just in case.. :)
[19:34] <krytarik> (To be clear, particularly for the case where spammers quite literally hit every channel in the Ubuntu namespace, regardless of topic or size - which I've also seen hit this one before.)
[20:21] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: WB :) .. I am in the midst of mowing .. in and out as I take an opportunity of respite from the mower .
[20:22] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, Okay did you see my message you in the gdoc?
[20:22] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: No ..I did not see any in gdoc .. lemme recheck .
[20:24] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Uh Huh .. it workie // was of some wonder how to chat there :)
[20:55] <Bashing-om> Gonna go have that reel mower beat up in me a bit more .. back in jusst a few .
[20:57] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, see you!
[22:13] <Bashing-om> Back .. My attention however is presently in the forum - will check here periodically .
[22:18] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, okay


[07:23] <dholbach> good morning
[09:14] <highvoltage> good morning
[09:54] <iulian> Morning.
[13:28] <Laney> AFTERNOON!
[13:29] <tumbleweed> indeed, it is
[13:30] <Laney> you broke the pattern :(
[13:30] <tumbleweed> :)
[13:31] <geser> the discussion forecast for this channel for the next days would be "good morning", "afternoon", "evening", "good night"?
[13:32] <tumbleweed> you see, I've allowed a meta-discussion to start
[13:32]  * Laney had that in mind
[13:32] <Laney> then writing an LWN article about it
[13:32] <tumbleweed> it's not quite as good as a discussion about ubuntu development, but it's something
[14:46] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 3 starts in 14 minutes in #ubuntu-classrom
[19:25] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: do you have plans to package cffi? can be used to get something similar to binary extensions for pypy
[20:14] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: yes, I mean to
[20:14] <tumbleweed> I gave it a while to stabilise, but I really should package it now
[20:14] <broder> hmm. so does anybody understand how bzr builddeb works with multi-orig 3.0 packages? i'm trying to do a merge-upstream and not finding a good way to do it
[20:14] <tumbleweed> already made sure it's B-Ds are in the archive
[20:14] <jtaylor> nice
[20:15] <tumbleweed> ohi broder
[20:15] <broder> hey tumbleweed
[20:15] <broder> sorry i've been MIA :)
[20:15] <tumbleweed> I wouldn't be suprised if it doesn't support them
[20:15] <broder> turns out this startup thing is a lot of wokr
[20:15] <broder> it totally supports them
[20:15] <tumbleweed> broder: we noticed :)
[20:15] <broder> import-dsc does the right thing
[20:15] <tumbleweed> it might just do the right thing because dpkg-source does, without handling all the details correctly
[20:16] <broder> no, it's creating separate upstream tags


[02:46] <cobalt60_> Anyone install Ubuntu on the Lenovo Yoga?
[03:01] <lilstevie> cobalt60_, I'm assuming you are referring to the yoga 11 given the room we are in
[03:01] <lilstevie> to which the answer will be, no, nobody will have installed ubuntu on it, because of secureboot
[03:12] <cobalt60_> Yes the 11.  Thats too bad...
[03:13] <cobalt60_> any other ARM netbook with a touchscreen running Ubuntu?
[08:18] <hrw> cobalt60_: asus transformer line of tablets + keyboard dock
[08:22] <lilstevie> however ubuntu probably could run a little bit better on them :p
[08:23] <hrw> no idea how it works on those ;D
 marvin24, you mean to your kernel package, not flash-kernel, right ?
[08:33] <marvin24> ^ no - I decided to use flash-kernel
[08:33] <marvin24> it seemed more appropriete to me
[08:34] <marvin24> in fact, the scripts gets called on every kernel install
[08:36] <marvin24> arrr, it failed to upload again
[09:54] <suihkulokki> plan to use nano-sized usb stick as ubuntu rootfs on chromebook foiled by the fact that usb support is in modules...
[09:56] <phh>  and then you discover initramfs...
[09:56] <phh> and realize than on most x86 distribs, everything is in module, either sata or usb or pata or whatever storage you use. including the FS
[10:19] <suihkulokki> unfortunately the chromebook firmware doesn't support initrd
[10:20] <hrw> suihkulokki: I think that we need to switch to chainloaded uboot
[10:20] <hrw> a bit overhead but easier support
[10:20] <hrw> no kernel signing
[10:31] <suihkulokki> sticking to sd card booting for now
[10:31] <suihkulokki> the sd card is anyways 5x faster than the cruzer fit I bought
[10:36] <hrw> sd ends at ~20MB/s in chromebook
[10:36] <hrw> my samsung does 20MB/s read and 8MB/s write
[10:37] <ogra_> USB 3.0 FTW :)
[10:44] <hrw> ogra_: 76MB/s from old harddrive
[10:44] <hrw> ogra_: 135MB/s from new one but this one is in use with other machine normally
[10:51] <ogra_> yeah, i'm still looking for a micro USB 3.0 key for my chromebook
[10:51]  * ogra_ doesnt like things that stick out of the case to much
[10:53] <suihkulokki> that was kind of the idea of the cruzer
[10:54] <hrw> suihkulokki: and you know that default bootloader do not check usb3 port when you press ^u?
[10:55] <suihkulokki> hrw: no I didn't..
[10:56] <hrw> probably no xhci support in u-boot for that
[10:58] <suihkulokki> most likely
[11:04] <ogra_> ppisati, have you seen marvin24's patch to flash-kernel to support dtb ? would that work generically enough for our own kernel packages too ?
[11:04] <ppisati> ogra_: didn't see it, where is it?
[11:05] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602702/
[11:06] <ogra_> marvin24, hmm, line 9 looks wrong btw
[11:06] <ogra_> i guess you meant $x
[11:06] <ogra_> and line 3 shouldnt use if ...
[11:07] <ogra_> grep -q 'Flattened Device Tree' /proc/cpuinfo || exit
[11:09] <ogra_> (and it should rather exit gracefully instead of "exit 1" if there is no device tree, we still have many kernels that dont ship  it)
[11:26] <marvin24> ogra_: ok, thanks for comment
[11:27] <ogra_> hmmm, disregard the last one ... i'm not completely awake today :)
[11:27] <marvin24> I wonder how it worked with $z at all ...
[11:27] <ogra_> heh
[11:28] <marvin24> yes, line 3 checks that already
[11:28] <ogra_> right
[11:28] <ogra_> i just need ppisati to confirm it works with the other dtb kernels too, then we can pul it into raring
[11:28] <ogra_> *pull
[11:28] <marvin24> I used flash-kernel, because the scripts in /etc/kernel/* seems to come from various packages, but linux-image provides none
[11:29] <marvin24> ogra_: cool - that would be nice
[11:29] <ogra_> i thougth it provides the postinst.d bits
[11:29] <marvin24> tegra needs also to be added to the db
[11:29] <marvin24> ogra_: flash-kernel does, but not the linux-image package itself
[11:30] <ogra_> k
[11:31] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~$ dpkg -S /etc/kernel/postinst.d/*| grep linux
[11:31] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~$
[11:31] <ogra_> yeah
[16:11] <ogra_> xnox, hmm, did you replace compiz with metacity ? it just struck me that i didnt have a single chrash during my test install
[16:13] <xnox> ogra_: no, i did not.
[16:14] <xnox> but there was a compiz / unity update recently?!
[16:16] <ogra_> yeah, several over the last week
[16:16] <ogra_> (2 at least i think)
[16:16] <ogra_> seems to have fixed the world :)
[16:16] <ogra_> or i was just lucky
[19:20] <mjrosenb> is there an armel compiler available for armhf systems?
[19:30] <djvj> need info on how to install armel GCC onto an armhf installation (raring)
[19:31] <djvj> online info seems kind of sparse on this issue.  tried dpkg --add-architecture armel and apt-get updating, but update simply complained about there not existing armel repos
[19:38] <NekoXP> mjrosenb, you can compile armel stuff with the armhf compiler. the tuple is just a ridiculous packaging kludge.
[19:39] <NekoXP> -mfloat-abi=softfp and it'll generate the right binaries (you may need to drag in armel multiarch/lib dependencies first though)
[19:43] <NekoXP> alternatively if you need the tuple to be right, just install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi{,-4.7} or so (version dependent on your ubuntu, maybe don't need the version at all to get the right package) and it'll do the right thing.
[19:44] <infinity> NekoXP: gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi is a cross-compiler.
[19:44] <NekoXP> djvj, same info to you I think.. the right things should be there, I don't think you have to add-architecture if raring is really multiarch compliant.
[19:44] <infinity> djvj: Just install g++-multilib and use -mfloat-abi=soft (or softfp, depending on your target)
[19:44] <NekoXP> infinity, on ARM? not really, just a compiler built to different defaults..
[19:45] <infinity> NekoXP: That package doesn't exist on ARM.
[19:45] <djvj> infinity: thx
[19:45] <NekoXP> huh did it get removed
[19:45] <infinity> NekoXP: It never existed on ARM.
[19:45] <NekoXP> it installs fine on quantal armhf... that said maybe I have some linaro ppa floating around
[19:45] <infinity> NekoXP: All the gcc-triplet packages are cross-compilers.
[19:45] <infinity> NekoXP: At least, in the archive.
[19:46] <infinity> djvj: As to why the add-architecture bit didn't work for you, that's because raring has no armel anymore.  We dropped the arch.
[19:46] <djvj> mjrosenb: I think my issue is not in particular with the compiler.  it's that the object is built with the appropriate -mfloat-abi and -msoft-float args, but then it attempts to build the final binary without passing those.
[19:46] <infinity> djvj: But if your goal is just to compile a soft-float binary for some reason, g++-multilib will DTRT.
[19:46] <djvj> infinity: oh.. what was the reasoning behind the drop?
[19:47] <infinity> djvj: We had no compelling reason to support it.  Every platform we target can use armhf.
[19:48] <infinity> djvj: Which also leads to the question of why you're compiling soft-float binaries, but maybe you have a reason.
[19:48] <NekoXP> here's the real question, why would you bother compiling for softfloat anyway on an ARM box running armhf? If you've got to have that capability use an x86 box and use a cross-compiler.. is it just that there's some native packaging requirement that dpkg-cross doesn't handle?
[19:51] <djvj> infinity: Actually now that you mention it, I'm not sure.  Lemme ask..
[19:54] <infinity> mjrosenb: Oh, and I didn't notice you'd asked the very same question.  apt-get install g++-multilib and use -mfloat-abi=soft (or softfp, if your target supports that).
[19:59] <djvj> infinity: Well, no answer yet, but I'm trying to build spidermonkey on ARM.  I think its JIT uses the armel ABI for float ops.
[20:00] <infinity> djvj: Well, if it's also going to depend on any system libraries other than libc/libstdc++, that's just plain not going to work.
[20:00] <infinity> djvj: If the intent is to run it on armhf somehow.
[20:01] <infinity> djvj: If the intent is to build and run it on armel, just use Debian/armel, since targetting a non-existent Ubuntu armel seems silly.
[20:01] <infinity> djvj: (And, more to the point, if it fails with armhf, perhaps fixing it would be smarter than working around, as all modern armv7 distros are going/gone hard-float)
[20:02] <djvj> infinity: it should be possible to just set up a chroot environment and target debian repos inside that, no?
[20:03] <infinity> djvj: You can debootstrap a sid/armel chroot on raring, sure.
[20:03] <infinity> debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch=armel sid chroot-sid
[20:03] <djvj> infinity: I'm just getting my feet wet on ARM related stuff, so I can't really defend one vs the other at this point..
[20:04] <infinity> djvj: There is no one versus the other.  All modern ARM distros are armhf, period.  Some people sort of support armel on older hardware (Debian and Fedora), but it's not anyone's focus.
[20:04] <infinity> djvj: And with the exception of Debian, no one supports full multiarch between ABIs.
[20:04] <infinity> djvj: So, if your stuff depends on anything outside the base toolchain, it's just plain not going to work.
[20:05] <infinity> djvj: So, yes, the only sane way forward is to make your stuff work on armhf, IMO.
[20:05] <mjrosenb> I remember coming in here a while ago, and hearing that the hardfp compiler with --mfloat-abi=softfp was *not* equivalent to using an armel compiler through and through.
[20:06] <infinity> mjrosenb: The only difference is the default CPU target (which you can also set).
[20:06] <infinity> mjrosenb: Whoever told you it was otherwise different was mistaken.
[20:06] <infinity> mjrosenb: But see above.  If you depend on other libraries, such attempts will fail anyway, since we only give you a base toolchain with the armel ABI.
[20:07] <mjrosenb> *nod*
[20:08] <infinity> Still, same recommendation as I gave djvj, moving to armhf wholesale is the sane way forward, rather then entrenching workarounds.
[20:08] <infinity> We're the only distro that provides multilib toolchains that actually work, Debian is the only distro that provides armel/armhf multiarch, everyone else has moved to armhf entirely, except for Fedora's old armv5/armel port not quite being dead yet.
[20:09] <infinity> Targetting the old ABI just isn't worth it in the long run.
[20:10] <infinity> Besides, if I decide to break or drop the multilib toolchain in the future, I'd rather not have people whining about it because they expected it to work forever. :P
[20:11] <infinity> I do look forward to a day (soon, I hope) where I can just drop all soft-float support, must as we did for OABI.
[20:11] <infinity> s/must/much/
[20:11] <mjrosenb> infinity: so we have no issues supporting hardfp
[20:11] <infinity> I also look forward to a day where I can drop i386.
[20:11] <infinity> Not sure when either of these days may actually come. :P
[20:11] <mjrosenb> infinity: the problem is that we're using this to test our jit for android
[20:11] <mjrosenb> and android only supports softfp these days
[20:12] <mjrosenb> so for testing purposes, we need to be able to run softfp code.
[20:12] <infinity> mjrosenb: That's untrue, there are hard-float Android builds.  But yes, by default, you're right.  And I'd recommend just using a Debian chroot if you're looking for a soft/softfp environment.
[20:12] <mjrosenb> infinity: if you can convince android to switch to hardfp, I won't even look back.
[20:13] <infinity> Or use Android itself. :P
[20:13] <infinity> I saw some interesting bits in HK last week about Linaro folks making Android self-hosting.
[20:15] <mjrosenb> infinity: the problem i've always had is running gdb on android
[20:15] <mjrosenb> and our test harness that is written in python.
[20:16] <infinity> Ahh, yeah, those may still be issues.  I've not played with their attempts to make Android pretend to be a real build system to see how far it is.
[20:17] <infinity> Anyhow, Debian or Fedora chroots are likely a reasonable compromise.
[20:17] <infinity> Or quantal/armel.
[20:17] <infinity> Which was our last armel release.
[20:17] <mjrosenb> infinity: evidently fedora doesn't do the whole cross compiling thing?
[20:17] <mjrosenb> and they build all of their arm packages on arm machines.
[20:17] <infinity> They do everything natively, yes.
[20:18] <infinity> Then again, so do we.
[20:18] <infinity> We just ALSO provide cross toolchains.
[20:18] <infinity> But this isn't about cross anyway, is it?
[20:18] <mjrosenb> infinity: djvj is trying to do it natively, I've been using cross (from amd64) for several years now.
[20:19] <infinity> Ahh. ;)
[20:19] <infinity> Well, same arguments.  We ship a cross that works for biarch/multilib just fine, but if you need access to multiarch libs to link against, you're SOL past quantal.
[20:20] <infinity> Not much I can do about that.  I fought to save armel, I was one of the few.  We just didn't have a compelling enough argument to keep it.
[20:21] <infinity> Then again, precise should be a good enough base for people to keep doing stuff against for another four years, and we can hope armel is dead by then.
[20:22] <mjrosenb> sadly, our new arm dev machines are chromebooks, which you *really* want to be running raring on.
[20:23] <infinity> Sure, but not chroots.
[20:23] <infinity> It's just the kernel and alsa and such that you want raring for.
[20:24] <djvj> yeah chroots should serve fine, up until such a point where libs get too old for the kernel, which hopefully shouldn't be for a while
[20:25] <infinity> djvj: Or ever...
[20:26] <infinity> djvj: About the only kernel/userspace mismatches that ever matter are with udev (which shouldn't be running in chroots) and glibc (which occasionally bumps required kernel version, but the kernel doesn't break glibc by revving)
[20:26] <infinity> djvj: So you should be fine with, say, precise/armel chroots on your raring (and beyond) systems.
[20:29] <djvj> infinity: good to know.  thanks for the help btw.  I just built with hardfp and can replicate the issue I'm trying to track down.
[20:34] <mjrosenb> infinity: the kernel occasionally breaks glibc by revving
[20:34] <mjrosenb> infinity: but it has happened like twice
[22:35] <lilstevie> mjrosenb, infinity fedora most certainly does have some cross-compiler bits
[22:36] <lilstevie> $ arm-linux-gnu-gcc --version
[22:36] <lilstevie> arm-linux-gnu-gcc (GCC) 4.7.1 20120606 (Red Hat 4.7.1-0.1.20120606)
[23:19] <sbaugh_> Is Bluetooth working now on the Nexus 7 image? I am seeing conflicting reports. Does it perhaps require a workaround?


[14:44] <smoser> powersj, or blackboxsw https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/328098
[14:49] <powersj> smoser: how did master break?
[15:02] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/328101
[15:02] <smoser> master broke centso 7 build
[15:02] <smoser> because of the systemd-dropin fix
[15:02] <smoser> ^ fixes that faliure
[15:16] <blackboxsw> grabbing that branch smoser
[15:17] <smoser> its being tested at https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-ci/96/console right now
[15:17] <smoser> and going through the centos build
[15:17] <blackboxsw> tjx
[15:17] <blackboxsw> thx
[15:42] <blackboxsw> approved
[15:50] <smoser> powersj, i can just push rebuild for
[15:51] <smoser>  https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/view/Cloud-init/job/cloud-init-ci-nightly/
[15:51] <smoser> right ?
[15:51] <smoser> well, just pushed 'build now' and no prompt, like i expected there to be, so its building.
[15:52] <powersj> yeah it will just run against master
[15:55] <smoser> powersj, is 'Delete Pipeline' the same as the 'x' ?
[15:55] <smoser> ie, if i just want to kill that build
[15:56] <smoser> https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/view/Cloud-init/job/cloud-init-ci-nightly/45/ that one
[15:56] <smoser> and then restart one as i just pushed the locale fix to trunk
[15:56] <powersj> Delete pipeline will delete the entire job
[15:56] <powersj> all builds and all runs
[15:56] <powersj> You want to click into the run and there should be an X at the top left corner
[15:57] <powersj> top right corner*
[15:57] <smoser> found the 'x' on the job.
[15:57] <smoser> yeah.
[15:57] <smoser> thanks
[16:04] <smoser> that pipeline thing is really cool
[16:05] <smoser>  https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-ci-nightly/44/changes
[16:12] <powersj> yeah
[17:10] <smoser> blackboxsw, were you going to launch a zesty on azure ?
[17:10] <smoser> i can do it real quick.
[17:12] <blackboxsw> smoser: sure please do if you are free. I was trying to fixup the unit tests my branch to get that out of the way. I probably should've prioritized the other order
[17:18] <blackboxsw> smoser: got my azure account setup again. Spinning up a zesty instance now.
[17:19] <blackboxsw> unless you;'re there


[20:48] <fo0bar> test (ubuntulog)
[21:03] <AlanBell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/02/01/%23ubuntu-classroom-es.html
[21:03] <AlanBell> m4v: ^^
[21:19] <m4v> AlanBell: gotcha
[21:22] <m4v> AlanBell: ops, I don't have +s so I can't set the entrymsg
[21:22] <AlanBell> erm, right
[21:23] <AlanBell> try now
[21:23] <m4v> done
[21:24] <AlanBell> great
[21:24] <AlanBell> adios o/


[00:14] <InHisName> MutantTurkey: I am training at Network learning Institute at Mt. Laurel NJ
[00:16] <InHisName> @later tell samuraialba  I am back home now.  I'll be here full time after 8:50 and bed time stories all done.
[00:16] <PennBot> InHisName: The operation succeeded.
[00:19] <MutantTurkey> InHisName: is that good or bad?
[00:19] <MutantTurkey> or is that just far as hell away?
[00:20] <InHisName> yes
[00:20] <MutantTurkey> :/
[00:20] <MutantTurkey> what sort of classes are you taking?
[00:20] <InHisName> BUT.... much colder
[00:20] <rmg51> InHisName: you keep getting the nick wrong
[00:21] <InHisName> May to Aug CCNA  begining cisco,   CCNP  advanced cisco,  now MCSA  usoft stuff
[00:21] <MutantTurkey> wait say that again? only may to august?
[00:21] <MutantTurkey> I may do that then. Is it just over the summer courses? do you get any sort of cert?
[00:22] <InHisName> Sept - Jan CCNP,  Dec - Mar MCSA
[00:22] <MutantTurkey> I don't really know what any of those are
[00:22] <MutantTurkey> I am sure i could do them though xD
[00:22] <InHisName> 9 Certs.   paid for by Workforce re-training program.
[00:23] <MutantTurkey> nice
[00:23] <MutantTurkey> should i do something like that?
[00:23] <InHisName> almost $10K if you need to pay your own $$$
[00:23] <MutantTurkey> D:
[00:28] <waltman> http://twitter.com/#!/debian/status/34043327582052352
[00:28] <PennBot> Title: Twitter (at twitter.com)
[01:11] <InHisName> so, waltman what is squeeze ?
[01:23] <rmg51> http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a
[01:23] <PennBot> Title: Debian -- News -- Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" released (at www.debian.org)
[01:26] <MutantTurkey> hasn't sqeeze been around for ever?
[01:26] <MutantTurkey> or was it just [testing] before?
[01:27] <MutantTurkey> or was that sid?
[01:27] <MutantTurkey> I SEE THEY FINALLY UPDATED THEIR WEBSITE xD
[01:27] <MutantTurkey> first time since 2004
[03:39] <waltman> squeeze was testing
[03:40] <pleia2> first time in 13 years actually ;)
[03:40] <pleia2> (well, aside from content changes)
[03:42] <andrew> When I first saw pleia2 's tweet about debian this evening, I thought she said "squeee" in it, and I figured something was pink, then I looked closer and saw it was about debian
[03:42] <pleia2> hehe
[11:41] <InHisName> pleia2: Just for the cat lover in you....    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=87p53rAD7Sk
[11:41] <PennBot> Title: YouTube - 100 Ways To Love A Cat: Ways 1-100 (at www.youtube.com)
[14:30] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[14:31] <SamuraiAlba> BWas in church yesterday and then had big family dinner.


[03:52] <_stink_> probably 3.5 or 4 inches at my place
[04:04] <jrwren> is that all?
[04:04] <jrwren> I think we have7 or 8 by now
[04:09] <_stink_> wow
[04:09] <_stink_> we've had some blowing since 4pm but not much new snow.
[04:46] <jrwren> must have been blowing.
[04:46] <jrwren> official report says 5.3" ann arbor
[05:56] <rick_h__> yea, 4.5-5 recorded around here
[05:57] <rick_h__> rumor is another 2 tonight
[14:51] <jrwren> looks like we got at least 2 last night.
[15:29] <cmaloney> Good morning
[15:29] <cmaloney> and bbl. :)
[15:51] <rick_h__> morning
[15:55] <jrwren> husbands, what are you getting your wives for christmas?
[16:35] <dzho> requested items
[16:35] <dzho> at least, I hope what I got is the same as what was requested
[16:35] <dzho> but, as when I ask for tech stuff, this can be a fraught exercise
[16:36] <dzho> I went to $SPECIFIEDSTORE and got $SPECIFIEDBRAND in $SPECIFIEDCOLOR.
[16:36] <dzho> question is, was it $SPECIFIEDSTYLE and $SPECIFIEDSIZE?
[16:36] <dzho> jrwren: (these are bags, not clothes, so there's a bit more room for error)
[18:22] <jrwren> it finally stopped snowing
[19:21] <rick_h__> yea, kind of floored when someone mentioned it's not winter yet
[19:21] <rick_h__> looked and the first day of winter is the 21st
[19:21] <rick_h__> earliest decent snow fall I remember in a while
[19:27] <jrwren> same here.
[19:27] <jrwren> and definitely the earliest of this many inches
[19:27] <jrwren> in a long while.
[20:43] <cmaloney> Good afternoon
[20:44] <cmaloney> Looks like another round of shoveling in my future. :)
[22:03] <jrwren> oh yeah, it started again here.


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[21:19] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issuw 680 up for review - critique - and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue680 :D - Got "Daddy please do" to attend to - will be away for a spell.