[09:23] <cbx33> @schedule london
[09:23] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 05 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 20:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 20:00: Marketing Team
[09:29] <jsgotangco> 21:00 christ
[09:55] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[09:55] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 05 Jul 23:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team
[11:09] <jsgotangco> @schedule manila
[11:09] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Manila: 06 Jul 04:00: Edubuntu | 07 Jul 03:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 07 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 20:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jul 03:00: Marketing Team
[03:27] <rodarvus> @schedule Sao_Paulo
[03:27] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 05 Jul 17:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 16:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 09:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 16:00: Marketing Team
[04:20] <Klaidas> @schedule vilnius
[04:20] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: 05 Jul 23:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team
[05:52] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team
[06:17] <Czubek> @schedule warsaw
[06:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Warsaw: 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team
[07:12] <Sp4rKy> hye
[07:13] <Sp4rKy> please where is the next CC ?
[07:48] <highvoltage> @meeting johannesburg
[07:49] <raphink> @schedule Johannesburg
[07:49] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team
[07:49] <raphink> highvoltage: ;)
[07:50] <highvoltage> :)
[08:05] <Sp4rKy> please when is the next CC ? :p
[08:06] <ompaul> Sp4rKy,  it is not set up yet
[08:06] <Seveas> Sp4rKy, not known yet, or it would be in the topic
[08:06] <Sp4rKy> k
[08:06] <ogra> likely next tueday though
[08:06] <ogra> *tuesday
[08:06] <Seveas> Kamion should get some mild poking
[09:55] <spacey> hi
[09:55] <spacey> :o
[10:00] <ogra> hey everybody
[10:00] <cbx33> hello Mr ogra
[10:00] <rodarvus> hello
[10:00] <spacey> hi
[10:00] <highvoltage> howdy
[10:01] <cbx33> hi LaserJock
[10:01] <ogra> as usual there is not much from the tech side that will take us only short (45min as usual :P)
[10:01] <cbx33> haha
[10:01] <cbx33> that was funny last time
[10:02] <highvoltage> i'm actually glad to see that this time, i'm quite tired :)
[10:02] <cbx33> awww
[10:02] <ogra> there were some major changes in ltsp last week
[10:02] <spacey> oe
[10:02] <ogra> i work tightly with debian to create a 'real' upstream branch
[10:03] <ogra> i.e. adding makefiles all over the place and make regular tarball releases from that
[10:03] <highvoltage> which is the real upstream branch now, debians? or ltsp.org?
[10:03] <ogra> our
[10:03] <highvoltage> oooh.
[10:03] <cbx33> we have the power
[10:03] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/products/ltsp/+branches
[10:03] <ogra> ltsp-mainline is the upstream branch now
[10:04] <cbx33> that is fantastic news
[10:04] <ogra> ltsp-common-buildsys is the branch where we make the change to the makefile structure
[10:04] <cbx33> ogra: are there changes to be made to my man pages?
[10:04] <ogra> if the feature works and is tested we'll merge it back in the upstreasm one
[10:04] <cbx33> if so shout nd I can get them done early
[10:05] <rodarvus> ogra, any timeframe to have ltsp-common-buildsys stabilized and merged into mainline?
[10:05] <ogra> my edgy-ltsp branch will become the base for the edgy package
[10:05] <rodarvus> should I wait for it to be merged before working on my own?
[10:05] <ogra> rodarvus, i hope we manage it until UVF
[10:05] <rodarvus> I mean, I suppose the changes there are quite intrusive
[10:05] <ogra> not really
[10:06] <ogra> they only change the strucdture and we add Makefile.am and configure.in
[10:06] <ogra> the rest is autoconf automake stuff
[10:06] <rodarvus> good, no need to wait, then
[10:06] <cbx33> rodarvus: go go go
[10:06] <cbx33> :p
[10:06] <ogra> the filesystem structure changed a bit though
[10:07] <rodarvus> cbx33, its merge time still, no time for LTSP yet :)
[10:07] <ogra> we added all bits that need compilation to a src dir
[10:07] <cbx33> rodarvus: heheh
[10:07] <ogra> exactly
[10:07] <ogra> feature development starts afetr UVF
[10:08] <cbx33> I'm catching up on my work at work, so I can start to work on it at work if that makes sense
[10:08] <ogra> the big advantage is that we dont need to have a native package anymnore
[10:08] <ogra> additionally if you worked on ltsp, please have a look at the new plugin structure for ltsp-build-client
[10:08] <highvoltage> that sounds interesting.
[10:09] <cbx33> yeh that does sound very interesting
[10:09] <ogra> you can add features by adding a plugin
[10:09] <cbx33> do you want me to continue maintaining the man pages ogra ?
[10:09] <ogra> every distro will have its own plugin subdirt
[10:09] <rodarvus> the plugin hooks are documented somewhere?
[10:09] <cbx33> or will that be handled by someone else now?
[10:09] <ogra> cbx33, indeed !
[10:09] <cbx33> Excellent
[10:09] <rodarvus> (just curious)
[10:09] <ogra> rodarvus, not yet
[10:10] <cbx33> once new features are in I'll get right onit
[10:10] <rodarvus> then they are/should be documented on the TODO document ;)
[10:10] <ogra> rodarvus, but looking at the code will reveal the structure to you, its idiot proof simple
[10:10] <rodarvus> ok
[10:10] <ogra> (i understood it, must be idiot proof)
[10:10] <cbx33> I thought you were about to say I wrote it so cbx33 could understand it
[10:10] <cbx33> wrote the spec in crayon eh?
[10:10] <ogra> nope, thats from vagrantc and otavio
[10:11] <cbx33> heh
[10:11] <ogra> vagrant runs freegeek.org and otavio is .br debian developer
[10:11] <cbx33> ah cool
[10:11] <ogra> oh, and ltsp messages are translatable ...
[10:11] <ogra> we have a .po file now
[10:12] <highvoltage> i've read some stuff from the freegeek guys, they have some bright people contributing there. lessdisks also seem to come from freegeek.
[10:12] <ogra> but enough ltsp ... its not the ltsp meeting :)
[10:12] <ogra> lessdisks was written by vrgrant
[10:12] <ogra> *vagrant
[10:12] <ogra> he is merging much of the lessdisks code into our ltsp
[10:13] <ogra> sooo
[10:13] <ogra> SPECS !
[10:13] <rodarvus> you wanna start? :)
[10:13] <ogra> we have a ton of specs, my last assigned one is in review
[10:13] <highvoltage> oooh, nice. he could certainly help on the diskless fat clients then, i'll bug him some time, but as you say, enough about ltsp :)
[10:13] <ogra> apparently LaserJock's was just approved
[10:13] <LaserJock> \o/
[10:14] <ogra> highvoltage, he's in #ltsp from time to time
[10:14] <ogra> so are you all fine with the status of the specs on https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs ?
[10:14] <rodarvus> I have three assigned to me, none of them approved yet. two of them are semi-approved. third one will be reviewed by fabbione when he returns
[10:14] <ogra> anything thats important and missing ?
[10:14] <rodarvus> nope
[10:15] <rodarvus> basically, all set
[10:15] <ogra> me too
[10:15] <ogra> anybody else ?
[10:15] <cbx33> nope
[10:15] <cbx33> my specs never made it to paris
[10:15] <ogra> LaserJock, set the LP status to approved please :)
[10:15] <Amaranth> what are we discussing? :)
[10:15] <ogra> oh, you did :)
[10:15] <ogra> Amaranth, specs
[10:15] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs
[10:15] <highvoltage> Amaranth: specs, as part of the EC meeting
[10:15] <rodarvus> ogra, isn't it not done by ubuntu-reviewers?
[10:16] <ogra> rodarvus, i think only the owner can change it, but i might be wrong
[10:16] <LaserJock> it is set at approved
[10:16] <rodarvus> actually, I thought it could only be done by one of them :) (set it as approved)
[10:16] <ogra> yep
[10:16] <ogra> it wasnt before i reloaded :)
[10:17] <ogra> ok, any other tech stuff ?
[10:18] <rodarvus> not from my side
[10:18] <cbx33> seems all quiet
[10:18] <ogra> anybody want to speak up about docs ?
[10:18] <ogra> were there any changes ? was there a cookbook meeting ?
[10:18] <ogra> (are any cookbook ppl here ?)
[10:19] <cbx33> there is a meeting tomorrow
[10:19] <cbx33> so the schedule says
[10:19] <ogra> there !
[10:19] <cbx33> or is that ubuntu?
[10:19] <cbx33> hey HedgeMage
[10:19] <ogra> HedgeMage, will clearify :)
[10:19] <ogra> ogra> anybody want to speak up about docs ?
 were there any changes ? was there a cookbook meeting ?
 (are any cookbook ppl here ?)
[10:19] <HedgeMage> I'm sorry I'm late... TT is having a rough day :/
[10:19] <HedgeMage> What did I miss?
[10:20] <rodarvus> there is a cookbook meeting tomorrow (as the topic says :) )
[10:20] <ogra> tech stuff
[10:20] <HedgeMage> The cookbook meting is scheduled for tomorrow due to a conflict that caused us to postpone
[10:20] <ogra> there was none last week ?
[10:20] <HedgeMage> nope
[10:20] <HedgeMage> pygi had a conflict, and so did 3 other people, that's half our team
[10:20] <ogra> ah, k
[10:21] <ogra> any other doc stuff  ?
[10:21] <ogra> where is pygi ?
[10:21] <HedgeMage> tomorrow we'll be voting on a new name, assigning specific authors to their tasks, and working out the rough spots in our timeline
[10:21] <HedgeMage> He's had some non-ubuntu stuff going on and hasn't been available much.
[10:21] <ogra> cool
[10:22] <HedgeMage> ahh... there he is now :)
[10:23] <ogra> pygi, anything you want to add about doc stuff ?
[10:23] <pygi> ogra, I wasn't here, I can't know what was mentioned, but...
[10:23] <pygi> I just wanna add that we must and we will make Edgy "Cookbook" even more rocking :)
[10:24] <ogra> :)
[10:24] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:24] <ogra> ok, next, artwork ...
[10:25] <ogra> do we want to handle the additional topic now as well ?
[10:25] <rodarvus> +1
[10:25] <HedgeMage> cbx33: might you have time to bring me up to speed since ogra is busy running the meeting?
[10:25] <HedgeMage> (in /msg)
[10:26] <cbx33> HedgeMage: bit diffcult atm, AliasVegas and I are sharing one computer
[10:26] <HedgeMage> ouch ok
[10:26] <HedgeMage> I'll just play along and read the minutes later
[10:26] <cbx33> ok cool
[10:26] <ogra> the ubuntu artteam requested that we should have an artteam leader ... as lead as well as as single point of contact for them
[10:27] <ogra> additionally this person should take the decisions about edubuntus look and feel
[10:27] <HedgeMage> cbx33: you are quite good :D
[10:27] <ogra> when the topic came up in paris, only one name came up all the time ...
[10:28] <highvoltage> sorry, my connection died there
[10:28] <ogra> ... that was AliasVegas :)
[10:28] <highvoltage> i missed the last few minutes too :/
[10:28] <highvoltage> :)
[10:28] <AliasVegas> :)
[10:29] <ogra> we all know her awesome artwork ... and had conversations proxied through cbx33... imho she's well suited for the job as we can see by what we already got from her ;)
[10:29] <cbx333> right we now have two computers :D
[10:29] <rodarvus> ogra, I suggest you explain the details of the proposed task/responsability, and "officially" ask her if she is interested
[10:29] <ogra> AliasVegas, how about introducing yourself :)
[10:29] <AliasVegas> thanks lol
[10:30] <HedgeMage> ahh, so this is the famous wife and artist... I only know you from legend ;)
[10:30] <ogra> rodarvus, go ahead ...
[10:30] <AliasVegas> Im Lisa, Just turned 21....
[10:30] <ogra> (i dont need to lead all of the meeting ;) )
[10:30] <rodarvus> oh yeah you need :P
[10:30] <pygi> ogra, just most :)
[10:30] <AliasVegas> I'm currently involved in freelance webdesign
[10:31] <AliasVegas> and of course edubuntu..... :)
[10:31] <cbx333> I do harp on about it quite a lot right AliasVegas ?
[10:31] <AliasVegas> yep
[10:32] <AliasVegas> I would be very interested in helping out with anything I can
[10:32] <rodarvus> nice
[10:32] <rodarvus> well, let me tell you about our proposal :)
[10:32] <ogra> :)
[10:32] <cbx333> :p
[10:32] <rodarvus> we are in need of a official artwork lead for the Edgy development cycle
[10:33] <rodarvus> this person will have close contact with the Ubuntu artwork team
[10:33] <rodarvus> and as a lead, will have the final "nod" on what is done with regards to artwork on Edubuntu (of course, with help from the artwork team)
[10:34] <ogra> and from the edubuntu community :)
[10:34] <cbx333> indeed :D
[10:34] <rodarvus> another "bonus" would be to help bring more hands into our artwork team, of course :)
[10:34] <rodarvus> ogra, indeed
[10:34] <ogra> we always decided after discussion in the meetings about artwork stuff
[10:34] <rodarvus> when I say "Edubuntu artwork team", I really mean Edubuntu community members interested in all artwork related aspects of Edubuntu
[10:34] <ogra> even though the word of an art person should have the final say i dont think we should break with that tradition
[10:35] <ogra> well, we actually never had a separated artwork team ...
[10:35] <ogra> it was most of the people attending the meeting
[10:35] <cbx333> nope, but I don;t think that that's the way it would function anyway,
[10:35] <ogra> (indeed there was/is a team on LP)
[10:35] <HedgeMage> IOW, don't let clueless people like me tell you how to make things pretty when I should be coding or writing docs or something :P
[10:36] <AliasVegas> :)
[10:36] <ogra> HedgeMage, critics are always welcome :)
[10:36] <rodarvus> I can bring someone to this team too
[10:36] <rodarvus> to help AliasVegas and all interested
[10:36] <rodarvus> anyhow
[10:36] <cbx333> excellent
[10:36] <highvoltage> did AliasVegas accept? sorry, i missed a big part.
[10:36] <ogra> i can only bring myself (2 years of graphics design experience) but sadly not my time
[10:36] <cbx333> we need to collect emails from these people, and mail out to them once the team is established
[10:36] <rodarvus> highvoltage, he haven't even asked her officially yet :)
[10:37] <cbx333> ogra stop being so modest :p
[10:37] <highvoltage> cbx33, you read minds? i was about to say something similar :)
[10:37] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I think we haven't given her the chance to get a word in edgewise ;)
[10:37] <highvoltage> rodarvus, ok
[10:37] <cbx333> highvoltage: I steal your thoughts in your sleep
[10:37] <cbx333> mwuuhahahah
[10:37] <AliasVegas> He does the same to me
[10:37] <rodarvus> AliasVegas, as a last comment, you'll obviously have all the necessary technical help you'll need, from us
[10:37] <highvoltage> cbx33, geez, that's when i have the most dangerous thoughts!
[10:38] <ogra> yeah, you wont have to care for packaging or how to get the art into the distro
[10:38] <cbx333> I won;t tell everyone your super amazing world domination plan
[10:38] <AliasVegas> Oh good lol
[10:38] <rodarvus> so you, and the other people interested only in artwork (if this is the case), don't need to worry about technical aspects
[10:38] <rodarvus> from past work experience, I know this is very important :)
[10:39] <AliasVegas> :)
[10:39] <ogra> while we're at past work experience ...
[10:39] <rodarvus> anyone would like to add anything regarding the "job" responsabilities? :)
[10:39] <ogra> would be nice to have you as a member AliasVegas :)
[10:39] <cbx333> ogra: are you meaning edubuntu membership?
[10:39] <ogra> (official edubuntu-member that is)
[10:40] <ogra> cbx333, well, it a big job membership should go alongside here ...
[10:40] <cbx333> true
[10:40] <pygi> ogra, and I waited for membership for a month even when I was accepted ^-^
[10:40] <AliasVegas> What do I need to do to get membership?
[10:40] <cbx333> give ogra a bribe :p
[10:41] <rodarvus> usually you'd need to introduce yourself
[10:41] <rodarvus> and be voted
[10:41] <HedgeMage> pygi: that's because you don't nag people as well as I do :P
[10:41] <AliasVegas> ok :P
[10:41] <ogra> AliasVegas, cbx333 already did it ... your art contributions should suffice i think
[10:41] <rodarvus> but this seems to be a case of popular acclamation
[10:41] <rodarvus> santo subito!
[10:41] <ogra> only formal stuff like a LP account and a wikipage
[10:41] <LaserJock> ogra: what no vote? ;(
[10:41] <cbx333> AliasVegas: has a wikipage
[10:41] <cbx333> and an LP account
[10:41] <ogra> LaserJock, next EC i guess to give her time to prepare
[10:41] <highvoltage> LaserJock, don't worry, i'm sure you'll get to vote :)
[10:41] <ogra> OH !
[10:42] <ogra> then we should indeed vote
[10:42] <ogra> but then we should also ask the usual questions :P
[10:42] <rodarvus> by the way,
[10:42] <highvoltage> ogra, but next week, right?
[10:42] <rodarvus> before we move too further on this subject :)
[10:43] <cbx333> this is all moving too fast
[10:43] <cbx333> my head is spinning
[10:43] <rodarvus> AliasVegas, do you have any questions, doubts, fears regarding what we say? Would you like us to elaborate more on the subject?
[10:43] <ogra> highvoltage, next week is no official EC ... we need to announce it ...
[10:43] <highvoltage> oh yes
[10:43] <AliasVegas> I think my lovely husband has explained most of the gist to me
[10:43] <cbx333> I thought today was EC?
[10:44] <LaserJock> it is
[10:44] <HedgeMage> It should be.
[10:44] <ogra> yeah
[10:44] <rodarvus> good
[10:44] <HedgeMage> We did my CoC retroactively when my laptop died, can't she do her LP stuff the same way?
[10:44] <cbx333> LP stuff is done
[10:44] <cbx333> all apart from GPG
[10:44] <cbx333> to sign the CoC
[10:44] <HedgeMage> cool
[10:44] <ogra> ok, but we need the signed CoC
[10:45] <cbx333> I can get that done later
[10:45] <ogra> AliasVegas, and you need to apply for membership in the https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members/+members team
[10:45] <cbx333> on today
[10:45] <ogra> ok
[10:45] <cbx333> doing now
[10:45] <ogra> ok
[10:46] <cbx333> ok joined
[10:46] <ogra> we can vote in advance i think :)
[10:46] <jsgotangco> hey
[10:46] <cbx333> hi jsgotangco
[10:46] <HedgeMage> heya jsgotangco
[10:46] <cbx333> tired yet?
[10:46] <highvoltage> morning jsgotangco
[10:46] <jsgotangco> sorry im late
[10:46] <ogra> jsgotangco, right in time for the fun :)
[10:47] <ogra> pygi, go ahead :)
[10:47] <jsgotangco> ill scrollback first
[10:47] <HedgeMage> pygi: put on this skirt and I'll chuck you across the channel :P
[10:47] <HedgeMage> hi mhz
[10:47] <AliasVegas> Do I want to know what "cheerleading" is?
[10:47] <cbx333> not when pygi does it
[10:47] <cbx333> it's scary :p
[10:47] <highvoltage> AliasVegas, you probably do
[10:47] <HedgeMage> AliasVegas: people supporting you being made a member
[10:47] <pygi> cbx33, lol, all lies :(
[10:47] <ogra> AliasVegas, girls in short skirts jumping and shouting waving with pompoms
[10:48] <HedgeMage> just watch out for falling pygis
[10:48] <cbx333> I think she meant in context
[10:48] <mhz> hey, I was so surprised #edubuntu had no meeting going on...and then I remembered meetings are held here :(
[10:48] <cbx333> :p
[10:48] <pygi> erghhh :P
[10:48] <spacey> i'm off, gn
[10:48] <pygi> cbx33, watch out the python questions now :P
[10:48] <LaserJock> whatever
[10:48] <cbx333> awww shucks
[10:48] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:49] <ogra> cbx333, thats no excuse
[10:49] <ogra> \o_ lisa ! _o/
[10:49] <cbx333> I think AliasVegas did a fantastic job on the wallpaper
[10:49] <highvoltage> lisa lisa she's the man, if she can't do it no one can!
[10:50] <cbx333> from what I hear it's a big hit with people
[10:50] <LaserJock> umm, "man" ? ;p
[10:50] <ogra> heh
[10:50] <AliasVegas> I'm no man! :( lol
[10:50] <cbx333> highvoltage: I'm hoping "man" was just to rhyme
[10:50] <highvoltage> LaserJock, a figure of speach
[10:50] <highvoltage> cbx3333 yes
[10:50] <LaserJock> jeeze, he's not that old
[10:50] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:50] <LaserJock> anyway ....
[10:50] <rodarvus> LaserJock, I hope he's not 333 too :)
[10:51] <highvoltage> seriously though, I think lisa proved herself with various artwork she's been working on
[10:51] <ogra> yeah
[10:51] <cbx333> totally +1
[10:51] <highvoltage> she has the skill and talent, and it is of very professional quality
[10:51] <ogra> cbx333, sh onlys the council !
[10:51] <ogra> *shh even
[10:51] <highvoltage> the janew pic was also very impressive, i could tell it was her immediately :)
[10:51] <LaserJock> I have no doubt in her artistic ability, but this also requires a fair amount of community involvement
[10:51] <cbx333> sorry.... I meant I agree with you guys
[10:51] <HedgeMage> and putting up with cbx333 is a testament to her people skills ;)
[10:51] <cbx333> grrr
[10:51] <ogra> sooo
[10:51] <pygi> LaserJock, we can always help her
[10:52] <ogra> LaserJock, jsgotangco, highvoltage ?
[10:52] <highvoltage> AliasVegas, are you prepared to become more involved with the edubuntu community?
[10:52] <AliasVegas> YES
[10:52] <LaserJock> anyway, I'm +1 as long as she thinks she is up to it and is commited for Edgy at least
[10:52] <highvoltage> AliasVegas, this would typically mean attenting at least one of these kinds of meetings a month, and helping manage whatever art team is formed
[10:53] <AliasVegas> yes thats cool
[10:53] <rodarvus> highvoltage, actually, I believe its more like at least one (short) meeting per week
[10:53] <highvoltage> rodarvus, yes, it is, i was just thinking in terms of minimals
[10:53] <rodarvus> highvoltage, me too :)
[10:53] <jsgotangco> sorry to spoil but i will have to -1 on this for now and wait for more involvement
[10:54] <AliasVegas> Im happy to attend any meetings needed
[10:54] <highvoltage> rodarvus, hence  the term 'at least' :)
[10:54] <ogra> only jeromes vote is missing, but we already  have a majority
[10:54] <rodarvus> this is a position of responsability :)
[10:54] <AliasVegas> I'm very comitted to my work
[10:54] <ogra> on. no, jsgotangco voted :)
[10:54] <mhz> ogra: jerome must be already zZzZing
[10:54] <pygi> h
[10:54] <jsgotangco> no
[10:54] <mhz> hehe
[10:54] <LaserJock> ok, so was that the vote for art-lead or membership?
[10:55] <HedgeMage> membership, I though
[10:55] <ogra> so thats +3 vs -1 (which will change in the future, i'm sure)
[10:55] <HedgeMage> thought
[10:55] <rodarvus> membership
[10:55] <ogra> LaserJock, membership
[10:55] <ogra> i dont think we need to vote on the artteam leadership ... there is nobody else who wants to do it :)
[10:55] <highvoltage> i would tend to agree with jsgotangco, it's better to see some form of long-term commitment, before committing a +1 for membership, but i also think that since the edubuntu team is still small, you can afford to be more lenient.
[10:55] <LaserJock> heh, true
[10:56] <highvoltage> or what ogra said :)
[10:56] <rodarvus> also note that you can't "vote" for leadership
[10:56] <rodarvus> leadership is something you earn
[10:56] <ogra> yeah
[10:56] <cbx333> true
[10:56] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:56] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:56] <jsgotangco> it should come naturally
[10:56] <ogra> yep
[10:56] <ogra> and lisa made the commitment already, so no need to do more here for the council
[10:57] <rodarvus> it comes naturally
[10:57] <rodarvus> and this is what we expect from AliasVegas :)
[10:57] <ogra> yeah :)
[10:57] <pygi> don't pressure people :P
[10:57] <cbx333> she'll be great I know it :D
[10:57] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i wouldn't want to say we have to be more lenient because edubuntu membership = ubuntu membership
[10:57] <rodarvus> and again, we are here to help, in any possible way - AliasVegas - just don't forget to ask :)
[10:57] <LaserJock> ok, but I'm stuck on this, does being art lead imply being a -member ?
[10:58] <ogra> in other news rodarvus got an official ubuntu-member i'll just announce here that i'll add him to edubuntu-members
[10:58] <ogra> (after the meeting)
[10:58] <highvoltage> jsgotangco, hmmm, i haven't considered that
[10:58] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: people have waited months to be approved and even had a hard time gathering supporters
[10:58] <pygi> cbx33, shhh python :)
[10:58] <jsgotangco> ogra: yes please
[10:59] <ogra> jsgotangco, but not many people can show off with a wallpaper thats shipped on a *buntu CD
[10:59] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, on the other hand, ubuntu-membership == people that care, and contribute
[10:59] <cbx333> I know AliasVegas cares a lot and is extremely passionate about her work
[10:59] <highvoltage> and who have shown long-term, sustained contribution?
[11:00] <ogra> yeah
[11:00] <jsgotangco> ogra: sure +1 point on that, but we only had 1 contribution for the wallpaper for dapper please correct me if i am wrong
[11:00] <mhz> iirc, sustained contrib. is one the top keys
[11:00] <pygi> jsgotangco, bleh, but wallpaper was great :)
[11:00] <ogra> jsgotangco, JaneW was in discussion with another guy  ... highvoltage who was that ?
[11:01] <ogra> he didnt really deliver anything ...
[11:01] <LaserJock> pygi: but quality alone doesn't equal sustained contribution
[11:01] <pygi> LaserJock, indeed
[11:01] <cbx333> I mean the main point is that....in artwork in general, it sis difficult to make a big impression
[11:01] <highvoltage> ogra: toxictoadz?
[11:01] <cbx333> there isn't as much that can be done as in doc/tech is there?
[11:01] <ogra> yep
[11:01] <highvoltage> ogra: he is very talented, but equally hard to get hold of
[11:01] <ogra> jsgotangco, but still the vote was 3:1
[11:01] <LaserJock> AliasVegas: how long (in hours) would you say you've worked on Edubuntu stuff?
[11:02] <ogra> AliasVegas, did i say congrats ! ?
[11:02] <jsgotangco> ogra: im not arguing about the vote
[11:02] <ogra> jsgotangco, i know
[11:02] <AliasVegas> 3 days give or take
[11:02] <mhz> cbx33: yeah, harder than doc stuff (ie) but still there's always stuff to work on related to art
[11:02] <ogra> i just figured i havent congratulated AliasVegas yet :)
[11:02] <AliasVegas> Thanks ogra
[11:02] <highvoltage> AliasVegas, congratulations!
[11:03] <rodarvus> AliasVegas, congratulations!
[11:03] <highvoltage> AliasVegas, and welcome to the Edubuntu team! (officially)
[11:03] <mhz> AliasVegas: well, then \o/ !
[11:03] <ogra> yay
[11:03] <AliasVegas> Thanks highvoltage & rodarvus
[11:03] <jsgotangco> congrats AliasVegas =)
[11:03] <cbx333> congrats AliasVegas :D
[11:03] <LaserJock> congrats AliasVegas
[11:03] <ogra> hehe
[11:03] <AliasVegas> lol tanks guys!
[11:03] <ogra> cbx333, proxy some for us please :)
[11:03] <AliasVegas> I really will do my utmost to make a good impression
[11:04] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:04] <highvoltage> that part you've got nailed
[11:04] <AliasVegas> :)
[11:04] <ogra> oh, we're out of time ...
[11:04] <ogra> any other business ?
[11:04] <cbx333> well we gotta dash
[11:04] <cbx333> so
[11:04] <cbx333> can I just clarify
[11:04] <cbx333> was the art lead decided upon?
[11:04] <highvoltage> i really need to sleep, but there's one more thing if i can have a minute
[11:05] <cbx333> shoot highvoltage
[11:05] <ogra> cbx333, yes, AliasVegas decided for it :)
[11:05] <rodarvus> AliasVegas, also, don't forget that Edubuntu (and Ubuntu) is a community - different opinions are welcome, (sane) arguments are welcome - do not take jsgotangco -1 as personal (it wasn't), but also don't let it get you down
[11:05] <AliasVegas> Thanks :)
[11:05] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:05] <highvoltage> i think we need to get a community member who takes care of website content specifically
[11:05] <ogra> highvoltage, go ahead
[11:05] <cbx333> indeed.....if I remember corectly LaserJock was skeptical about giving me a +1
[11:05] <highvoltage> i have lots of ideas, but not enough time to manage or implement it
[11:05] <ogra> highvoltage, acesureas has fond some bugs ...
[11:06] <cbx333> highvoltage: sounds like a good idea
[11:06] <HedgeMage> I have to cut out... phone call
[11:06] <ogra> he's never in #edubuntu but in #ltsp
[11:06] <cbx333> did you have anyone in mind?
[11:06] <ogra> cia HedgeMage
[11:06] <highvoltage> so does a few other people, i would like to see someone manage a website content team in the same way that the art team would be managed.
[11:06] <ogra> *ciao even
[11:06] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: if you need help with that, I can do some interim stuff until we get someone permanent, or help train, since I do so much drupal stuff already
[11:06] <highvoltage> cbx333, no, i don't
[11:06] <ogra> highvoltage, good idea
[11:06] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I don't think I can commit to it as a permanent just-me thing though
[11:06] <pygi> highvoltage, I can also help, along with hedge
[11:06] <highvoltage> it's just something i thought i'd mention, so that people can start scouting :)
[11:06] <HedgeMage> now I'm really going
[11:07] <cbx333> bye HedgeMage
[11:07] <AliasVegas> bye :)
[11:07] <ogra> highvoltage, we'll see that we get that call in the next ubuntu news
[11:07] <cbx333> right we gotta dash now too guys
[11:07] <cbx333> see y'all later on
[11:07] <highvoltage> ogra, good idea, let's do that
[11:07] <Lure> Riddell: can you change bug 52021 to wishlist?
[11:07] <ogra> cbx333, AliasVegas thanks for attending !
[11:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52021 in kdeadmin "Does not support 802.1x/WPA management" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52021
[11:07] <cbx333> np
[11:07] <jsgotangco> are we done?
[11:07] <highvoltage> i think so
[11:08] <AliasVegas> it was a pleasure! :)
[11:08] <ogra> urgh, since when does Ubugtu bug stuff in here ?
[11:08] <highvoltage> ogra?
[11:08] <rodarvus> AliasVegas, thanks for attending, and again, welcome, and congratulations!
[11:08] <AliasVegas> Thanks for the kind words guys
[11:08] <ogra> yes, meeting adjourned
[11:08] <mhz> highvoltage: if you have a detail of stuff you need help with, I am sure some Tecnocimiento people could help out
[11:08] <highvoltage> goodnight everyone
[11:08] <cbx333> nn
[11:08] <ogra> night highvoltage
[11:08] <LaserJock> cya highvoltage
[11:08] <highvoltage> mhz, thanks, let's chat tomorrow :)
[11:08] <highvoltage> cya lamont
[11:08] <ogra> thanks all
[11:08] <mhz> okis
[11:08] <mhz> sure
[11:08] <mhz> nn
[11:08] <highvoltage> erm... LaserJock :)
[11:08] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:08] <ogra> heh
[11:08] <rodarvus> ogra, meeting is over yet?
[11:09] <jsgotangco> its 05:15 here =)
[11:09] <ogra> rodarvus, yep
[11:09] <rodarvus> ok, lets continue on #edubuntu then
[11:09] <ogra> i'm at :09 only
[11:09] <ogra> wher do you guys take the 6 mins ?
[11:10] <LaserJock> ogra: I'm at 14:10 now
[11:16] <Seveas> ogra, I had requests for ubugtu to do bug things in here too
[11:16] <ogra> Seveas, its fine, i was just surprised
[11:16] <Seveas> hehe
[11:17] <ogra> i'll remember not to put lists of bugs intop my weekly reports in the distro team meeting :P
[11:18] <Seveas> ogra, if people want it off, it'll be turned off
[11:19] <ogra> i dont care :)
[11:19] <ogra> i was just surprised, honestly :)
[11:19] <Seveas> ompaul thought it was enough to file a bug ;)
[11:20] <ompaul> Seveas, I just wanted to *bug* you


[06:33] <cpaelzer> good morning
[09:47] <jamespag`> coreycb, pushing proposed->updates for ocata
[13:43] <zioproto> is this the right channel to ask a juju question ?
[13:43] <zioproto> I am trying to deploy on openstack cs:bundle/apache-hadoop-spark-zeppelin-14 but my tenant has more than 1 network, how can I pass the network ID to use ?
[13:44] <zioproto> looks like this is not a valid command: juju deploy --config network=private cs:bundle/apache-hadoop-spark-zeppelin-14
[13:44] <zioproto> I get ERROR Flags provided but not supported when deploying a bundle: --config.
[14:53] <jamespage> zul, hmm
[14:53] <jamespage> zul, pandas ftbfs on arm64 in ocata-proposed
[15:04] <zul> jamespage: can i get the build log?
[18:48] <ddstreet> coreycb ping
[19:32] <jamespage> zul, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24041961/
[19:33] <zul> jamespage: looking
[20:22] <DammitJim> what does this line do in Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins
[20:22] <DammitJim> "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}";
[20:22] <DammitJim> I understand "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}-security"; which I want to disable
[20:24] <nacc> DammitJim: allow unattended upgrades from the release pocket? I guess maybe for packages that have not been updated since release and could be pulled in as deps?
[20:25] <DammitJim> it's weird... I can't find much about that searching online
[20:26] <nacc> DammitJim: is your question why the release pocket would be an Allowed-Origin?
[20:26] <DammitJim> I am wondering what "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}"; does
[20:27] <DammitJim> because I am about to comment out that line
[20:27] <DammitJim> that line didn't exist on my 14.04 servers
[20:28] <nacc> DammitJim: i answered that above.
[20:29] <nacc> DammitJim: and I don't follow why you'd disallow that, as it doesn't do anything (afaict) if you end up disabling security updates, as there doesn't seem to be any logical way for there to be an unattended upgrade to a package in the release pocket if they aren't installed.
[20:30] <DammitJim> nacc, I'm disabling stuff because I have seen the system automatically install updates
[20:31] <DammitJim> when I logged on to the machine via ssh, I could see there were 22 security updates
[20:31] <DammitJim> next time I log on, reboot, and log on, the count was down to 0
[20:31] <DammitJim> I've been asked to disable security updates
[20:31] <DammitJim> so, that's why I was asking about the previous line to see if I needed to comment that out as well
[20:32] <nacc> DammitJim: i mean, you can, i just don't think it makes any difference if you do end up disabling security updates
[20:32] <DammitJim> oh
[20:32] <DammitJim> me neither, but if the president of the company and the other teams are asking for it, I have to do it (I am not very good at debates)
[23:19] <blizzow> AUUGHHHHH!


[00:01] <OvenWerks> (or alsa_out)
[00:04] <OvenWerks> alsa_in/out does not do as good  SRC as zita does.
[00:05] <OvenWerks> Actually it looks like you can leave the -r 4800 in there from using -h is a bad option but still gives usage :)
[00:12] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I have not had any trouble with any audio device but I have heard of someone elses experiece that zita was distroted and alsa_in/out was fine.
[00:14] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Huh.
[00:15] <OvenWerks> Also note that all of my USB devices are 1/2 i/o at 16bit and probably USB 1.1 Audio spec.
[00:17] <OvenWerks> My main dayly drive audio device is either a delta 66 (ice1712 based) or AudioFire 12 (firewire).
[08:55] <JensStutte[m]> Thanks a lot, I'll need to find some time and will report back.
[08:56] <JensStutte[m]> No, I always appreciated studio controls to keep me away from that hassle ;-)
[11:36] <JensStutte[m]> OK, I made a first test. I configured QJackCtl to use the UMC404 and then I started `alsa_in -j "UMC2" -d hw:U192k_1 -q 1` in a terminal, which made appear a new device in the QJackCtl Graph Window and in Ardour (but under "Other", not under "Hardware"). That seems to work in general, but I did not yet test to do a real recording with n microphones to check for quality and latency. If instead I launch zita-a2j on the command line I
[11:36] <JensStutte[m]> get the same overdrive distortion. So it seems to be definitely something weird with zita-aj2.
[14:42] <OvenWerks> JensStutte[m]: I am not sure what the best way to talk to Fons, He does read the Linux Audio Users email list
[14:46] <OvenWerks> https://lists.linuxaudio.org/postorius/lists/linux-audio-user.lists.linuxaudio.org/
[14:47] <OvenWerks> That was not the page I was expecting. I think theu have upgraded the web page
[14:51] <OvenWerks> JensStutte[m]: also, I was thinking of adding a switch to studio-controls that uses alsa_in/out rather than zita. However, I have been working on adding pipewire instead (a much bigger project) I think hoping pipewire would take the place of pulse and add extra devices as well. But it is begining to look like PW with jack bridge will be the way to go.
[18:17] <JensStutte[m]> Having the option to switch to alsa_in/out would be a nice feature, if pipewire is going to take longer!
[20:21] <Eickmeyer> JensStutte[m]: Features are frozen for 22.04, hence each release has a "Feature Freeze" about 2 months prior to release.
[20:22] <Eickmeyer> Using strict alsa_in/out is a feature built-in to Ardour.
[22:28] <gordonjcp> ardour looks pretty epic these days
[22:28] <gordonjcp> I remember being blown away by a3 to a4's changes
[22:28] <gordonjcp> there really needs to be an open-source video editor as good as Ardour


[01:52] <mup> Bug #1681611 opened: Page must be refreshed when scripts updated via the API/CLI <MAAS:In Progress by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681611>
[08:22] <mup> Bug #1681694 opened: [2.2] Xenial/ARM64 images fail to download - appear to be looking under the wrong date <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681694>
[09:47] <mup> Bug #1681738 opened: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Test hardware] Change the wording of the error message for hardware testing a deployed machine <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681738>
[09:47] <mup> Bug #1681745 opened: [UI, 2.2.0rc2] Device discovery table - Devices names in row are not aligned to top as seen other columns <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681745>
[10:41] <mup> Bug #1681757 opened: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine actions] All the actions' confirmation buttons (Cancel/[Action] in the machine details page are placed on the left <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681757>
[10:41] <mup> Bug #1681771 opened: Device discovery page has no maximum limit of devices shown <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681771>
[11:11] <mup> Bug #1681414 changed: [2.2.0rc2-UX improvement-Test hardware] When I scroll at the top or bottom of he hardware test selection dropdown, the page scrolls as well <ui> <MAAS:Won't Fix by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681414>
[11:11] <mup> Bug # opened: 1681775, 1681777, 1681780, 1681783, 1681785
[11:41] <mup> Bug # opened: 1681789, 1681790, 1681800, 1681801
[11:47] <mup> Bug #1681808 opened: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine details] When I scroll down in the machine details page and I click the Take action button, the dropdown shows behind the header <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681808>
[11:59] <mup> Bug #1681808 changed: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine details] When I scroll down in the machine details page and I click the Take action button, the dropdown shows behind the header <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681808>
[12:11] <mup> Bug #1681808 opened: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine details] When I scroll down in the machine details page and I click the Take action button, the dropdown shows behind the header <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681808>
[12:11] <mup> Bug #1681817 opened: [UI, 2.2.0rc2] Device discovery - Mobile table - Device name bleeds outside the card <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681817>
[12:11] <mup> Bug #1681820 opened: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Secondary nav] There is a small gap between the header and the secondary nav and you can see the content scrolling behind <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681820>
[13:11] <mup> Bug #1681808 changed: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine details] When I scroll down in the machine details page and I click the Take action button, the dropdown shows behind the header <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681808>
[14:26] <mup> Bug #1681856 opened: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine details] The Edit button is placed on the bottom right instead of the top right in the summary page <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681856>
[14:56] <mup> Bug #1681869 opened: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine details] The tables that have a contextual row menu, should have a column header <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681869>
[15:02] <mup> Bug #1681869 changed: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine details] The tables that have a contextual row menu, should have a column header <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681869>
[15:14] <mup> Bug #1681869 opened: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine details] The tables that have a contextual row menu, should have a column header <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681869>
[15:50] <mup> Bug #1681872 opened: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine details] When I edit an interface, there is no padding under the tags input field <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681872>
[16:20] <mup> Bug #1681876 opened: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine details] If I add a tag for an interface, the next tag that I try to add sometimes cannot be saved <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681876>
[16:20] <mup> Bug #1681878 opened: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine details] Remove Power header from the Power section <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681878>
[16:20] <mup> Bug #1681881 opened: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine details] In the machine summary the tags input field is not in the right position and doesn't have the right size <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681881>
[16:44] <mup> Bug #1681881 changed: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Machine details] In the machine summary the tags input field is not in the right position and doesn't have the right size <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681881>
[16:44] <mup> Bug #1681887 opened: [2.2.0rc2, UI, Nodes] The remove filter button (x) and filter name alignment is a bit off <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681887>
[20:50] <mup> Bug #1681937 opened: MaaS API processes input slowly: network config at customer sites takes 45min <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681937>
[20:59] <mup> Bug #1681937 changed: MaaS API processes input slowly: network config at customer sites takes 45min <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681937>
[21:11] <mup> Bug #1681937 opened: MaaS API processes input slowly: network config at customer sites takes 45min <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681937>


[07:53] <smb> lamont, "ubuntu-bug linux" or you mean a full system dump? Btw, if your schedule allows maybe you could verify bug 1336253 against some real hw.
[07:53] <ubot5`> bug 1336253 in dahdi-linux (Ubuntu Utopic) "dahdi-dkms 1:<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg-1ubuntu3: dahdi kernel module failed to build [xbus-sysfs.c:460:2: error: unknown field ‘drv_attrs’ specified in initializer]" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1336253
[09:05] <apw> lamont, or are you saying it pops those stacks and stops dead so its not in syslog
[13:55] <lamont> apw: it was most likely temperature related - I have a photo of the stacktrace showing it in sym54c8xx_int calling credit_entropy_bits calling sym_interrupt and so on
[13:56] <lamont> smb: that box is running trusty :(
[13:56] <smb> lamont, there are new versions for P, T, and U. No excuse for being lazy :)
[13:57] <lamont> smb: cool.  it'll be tomorrow though.  pester me ?
[13:57] <smb> lamont, I love to pester people :)
[13:58]  * lamont needs to find an lm-sensors config for his lp1000r over lunch todya
[14:16] <lamont> smb: ii  dahdi-dkms                           1:<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg-1ubuntu2             DAHDI telephony interface (dkms kernel driver)
[14:16] <lamont> that one? or a different one?
[14:16] <lamont> and how did I fix it to be happy, I wonder... nothing held on the box, and I have dahdi kernel drivers
[14:19] <smb> lamont, Yeah that one. Hm, not sure. I thought T did not work before... thoughcurrent in T would be ubuntu3 and pending ubuntu4
[14:20] <smb> But could be that T on T did work and the new version was for handling U on T
[14:20] <smb> But it has been more than two days since I messed around with those... I would need to refresh my memory
[14:21] <smb> Hm, now... not supposed to work in T...
[14:21] <lamont> lsb_release -sc
[14:21] <lamont> precise
[14:21] <lamont> doh
[14:21] <smb> Ahhh
[14:21] <lamont> that's right - I reverted
[14:22] <smb> Yeah, that did work, but not the T HWE kernel which the proposed package should fix
[14:22] <lamont> oh. right.
[14:22] <lamont> I reinstalled precise because of other issues, and picked up the T HWE kernel, and reverted that kernel to the precise kernel
[14:22] <lamont> now I remember
[14:22] <smb> Unfortunately I uncovered later that we have another issue which I have to fix after this one. And that is that you need to do the dkms install while the right kernel runs
[14:23] <lamont> sounds like I just need to install the HWE kernel and see what breaks?  and I'll hope you fix that bug before tomorrow, then.
[14:24] <smb> lamont, I know how to fix it but was not sure it is allowed to upload another version while this one is still in proposed but I guess it would be ok as long as the changes has both updates
[16:14] <jsalisbury> **
[16:14] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[16:14] <jsalisbury> **
[16:48] <henrix> AceLan: is it possible to have bug #838543 verified in Trusty ASAP?
[16:54] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:54] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes
[16:54] <jsalisbury> ##
[19:28] <lfrlucas> Hi. I installed kubuntu recently in a new desktop. When I logout from KDE, lightdm does not work anymore, and dmesg reports:
[19:28] <lfrlucas> INFO: task Xorg:1460 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[19:28] <lfrlucas> [289202.586372]       Not tainted 3.13.0-40-generic #69-Ubuntu
[19:29] <lfrlucas> Could anyone help me?
[19:30] <lfrlucas> A call trace is also shown in dmesg
[19:30] <lfrlucas> Why is this happening
[19:32] <apw> lfrlucas, do file a bug, with the trace in it.  "ubuntu-bug linux" and let us know the bug number, then someone might have a better answer
[19:36] <lfrlucas> apw: Do know how can I kill the block xorg process?   Reboot is  the only solution?
[19:36] <apw> lfrlucas, yep, i would think if it has locked that hard, that is beyond saving
[19:38] <lfrlucas> ok


[00:31] <elky> i have the same problem as luissk8
[00:34] <luissk8> elky: you can make it work, but with diferent windowmanager
[00:35] <luissk8> elky: just apt-get lightdm
[00:36] <elky> i apparently already have lightdm
[00:36] <elky> i don't recall installing it
[01:00] <skpw_> i'm having trouble getting a radio station to play in rhythmbox, anyone know why this might be?
[01:14] <bjsnider> lightdm is required to log into unity and is the default display manager in ubuntu
[01:23] <elky> bjsnider, ok, so why the blue screen?
[01:24] <bjsnider> what blue screen?
[01:27] <elky> when i boot up, i get the login screen etc, after logging in i have no unity and instead a blue desktop which i can still add files/folders to but no window decorators or anything like that.
[01:31] <elky> oh wait, it does have decorators, but they're orange/brown. they disappear when i try start unity from the terminal i launch by browsing to /usr/bin
[01:38] <nonuby> my desktop background is stuck on the logging page (with the password box etc..) very weird, reboots havent resolved it, any ideas?
[01:39] <bjsnider> people seem to be having those issues at the moment
[01:40] <bjsnider> i'm assuming it's a lightdm bug, or maybe gnome-settings-daemon
[01:42] <nonuby> ok, np, only other bug I have on new HP pavillion budget (pentium 987) laptop is fn brightness keys, decrease brightness works, however increase brightness shows the little dialog but  doesnt move it upwards. The brightness tool in Settings works though
[01:52] <elky> it's kinda distressing that stuff is this broken only a few weeks from release
[02:00] <IdleOne> elky: not any different from other releases
[02:00] <IdleOne> this is the trend for +1, runs awesome for 5 months and then everything breaks
[02:01] <elky> i havne't run a +1 for ages, but it's the only thing that will run nicely on my new laptop
[02:02] <IdleOne> that last two dev cycles I've had to go back to the latest "stable" release because my system would just stop booting
[02:02] <bjsnider> obviously if the hardware is brand new there could be big driver issues
[02:04] <IdleOne> for me it always seems to come back to nvidia gpu issues
[02:07] <bjsnider> shouldn't be, unless it's old junk or you're using nouveau
[02:08] <elky> i'm expecting this is something to do with the "lets change unity stuff now because sabdfl says so" thing
[02:09] <elky> so i just installed ccsm and there's a whoooole lotta stuff that's disabled that shouldn't be
[04:23] <skpw_> anyone having trouble playing radio stations in rythmbox?
[11:10] <chunkyhead> has the beta 13.04 released?
[11:11] <chunkyhead>  has the beta 13.04 released?
[11:15] <chunkyhead> hello anyone there?
[11:15] <chunkyhead> does anyone know when's the 13.04 bea releasing
[11:15] <otend> check the release schedule
[11:16] <otend> the beta released on the 14th
[11:16] <otend> final release is on April 25
[11:16] <Bauer> chunkyhead:
[11:16] <Bauer> fucking hell, copy/paste still not working properly
[11:17] <Bauer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule
[11:17] <Bauer> or maybe its my keyboard thats faulty.. but I suspect its something between chrome and xchat
[11:19] <bazhang> Bauer, no cursing here please
[11:31] <Bauer> I've opened a new bug report, but I cant see how to set that its affecting 13.04 - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1161341
[11:31] <Bauer> only managed to specify ubuntu generally
[11:53] <jpds> Bauer: You're going to have to click the > next to Ubuntu and select a Package.
[11:54] <jpds> Bauer: Which in this case would be 'gnome-screensaver'.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:51] <elky> ugh, unity doesn't recognise when xchat is open and opens a new one/loses the existing one
[12:51] <elky> i was seeing the same with inkscape yesterday before i got borked by the blue screen issue
[12:56] <elky> woot, updates fixed it
[12:56] <Bauer> jpds: hmm, thanks but how to learn to know which package to select, in future bug reports? also how to specify the bug is for RR, and not other version
[13:40] <jpds> Bauer: I don't think you can do that.
[13:40] <jpds> Bauer: But bug reports are for the development version by default
[13:47] <yofel> Bauer: what you can do, is tag the bug with 'raring'
[13:47] <Bauer> ahh ok, thanks.. I was sure I had to specify somewhere which version the report refers to..
[13:48] <yofel> Bauer: specifying the release you're using, and the explicit package version in the description would help a lot actually
[13:49] <yofel> Bauer: targeting a bug to a specific release is up to the developers
[13:49] <yofel> Bauer: the version information is automatically added to a bug if you file it using apport btw ;) (ubuntu-bug)
[13:59] <thebishop> i installed a raring nightly from the 25th, and certain apps didn't integrate properly with the launcher.  Pidgin and Xchat in particular didn't show the ">" marker that means they're running.  they also didn't show up in alt-tab.  after doing a dist-upgrade today, pidgin works but xchat doesn't.  what's different about these apps?
[14:10] <EDinNY> Has anyone used MTP to connect to media players or phones? Does it work as expected?
[14:10] <EDinNY> I have read that backports only work on unlocked phones...is that the same with 13.04?
[14:14] <philinux> EDinNY: my galaxy s3 shows up in 13.04 fine as a mass storage device. I can copy mp3 files to it.
[16:09] <sary> Salutations!
[16:10] <sary> Are the (Raring Ringtail) Daily Build download links broken , or is it from my end! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[16:14] <bazhang> works here sary
[16:18] <sary> alright, thanks bazhang!
[17:00] <fg> experienced a problem when updating software center not too long ago  : WARNING:softwarecenter.db.update:The file: '/usr/share/app-install/desktop/sonic-visualiser:x-sonicvisualiser-layer.desktop' could not be read correctly.
[17:00] <fg> anyone experienced anything similar
[17:06] <philinux> fg: i seem to remember such a warning. I ignored it as all worky fine
[17:06] <fg> philinux: ok
[17:09] <philinux> fg: someone bugged it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu/+bug/1159023
[17:10] <philinux> fg: this is the active bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu/+bug/1158949
[21:09] <RPG_Master_> Updated kernel, now I'm getting some error about boot/vmlinuz and loading kernel first. I can still log in through an older kernel, so what can I do to fix it?
[21:15] <penguin42> well you need to get the actual error message
[21:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Actually, we have it on the #ubuntu channel...
[21:18] <SonikkuAmerica> "error: file 'boot/linuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic not found \ load kernel first" ( \ represents line br)
[21:20] <RPG_Master_> Oh, sorry. Should have copied that bit
[21:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Honestly I've never seen the word "linuz" alone without it being "vmlinuz"
[21:22] <RPG_Master_> crap
[21:23] <RPG_Master_> Yes it said vmlinuz... I'm off today.
[21:23] <SonikkuAmerica> You may need to check your GRUB entry for the image then
[21:25] <RPG_Master_> SonikkuAmerica: OK, so what do I do now?
[21:29] <SonikkuAmerica> You'll need to look at GRUB and see if it's pointing to the location of the linux-image
[21:37] <LoRez> terminal seems unbearably slow on an NVIDIA Corporation G86 [Quadro NVS 290] (rev a1) on raring.
[21:38] <LoRez> swapping between terminal tabs takes several seconds.
[21:39] <LoRez> is there something tweakable?
[21:41] <RPG_Master_> SonikkuAmerica: OK, so I've got the grub thing open for the latest kernel, and nothing is standing out to me. What am I looking for?
[21:43] <RPG_Master_> SonikkuAmerica: If it'd help you, I can type it up on pastebin for you
[21:49] <yofel> RPG_Master_: there should be a line with "linux   /boot/vmlinuz-3.8.0-15-generic root=..." somewhere
[21:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Or "linux /vmlinuz"
[22:08] <BlueProtoman> What's the general consensus of the Ubuntu 13.04 beta?  Is it looking like I'm gonna have to wait 3 months for the bugs to be fixed like last time?
[22:10] <SonikkuAmerica> BlueProtoman: depends. Studio was all finished in time for the beta, all that has to be done for them is fix bugs that haven't been solved or randomly show up; the rest don't even have finished roadmaps
[22:10] <BlueProtoman> SonikkuAmerica: Studio?
[22:11] <BlueProtoman> Where's the feature list?
[22:12] <SonikkuAmerica> I use Kubuntu with the studio pointers
[22:13] <BlueProtoman> SonikkuAmerica: No, I mean, what's Studio?  I've never heard of it.
[22:13] <SonikkuAmerica> !studio < here
[22:13] <SonikkuAmerica> !studio
[22:13] <SonikkuAmerica> It's a variant of Xubuntu
[22:13] <RPG_Master_> SonikkuAmerica, yofel , I see the line, but everything past root=uuid= is gibberish
[22:13] <SonikkuAmerica> but has a GNOME base
[22:14] <RPG_Master_> I'm sorry if I'm getting on y'alls nerves, but I've never messed with grub like this
[22:14] <yofel> RPG_Master_: the line says vmlinuz? Then the boot error is weird o.O
[22:14] <yofel> the uuid gibberish is correct. UUID's look like that
[22:14] <RPG_Master_> Yep it says vmlinuz
[22:15] <RPG_Master_> so whats my deal?
[22:15] <RPG_Master_> is it possible ot log into an older kernel and just reinstall the update?
[22:16] <steveire> Hi.
[22:16] <BlueProtoman> Do you guys think the Ubuntu 13.04 beta is stable enough to upgrade to?  (For context, I don't use Unity.)
[22:16] <yofel> sure, just reinstall linux-image-3.8.0-15-generic
[22:16] <yofel> not sure why it would fail though...
[22:16] <steveire> I just upgraded, and now I can't connect with wired or wireless network to the internet on that computer
[22:16] <steveire> When I try to connect to the wireless it hangs and then fails.
[22:17] <steveire> I expected wired network connection to be trouble free, but as that doesn't work either, I think something bad is going on
[22:19] <yofel> define "doesn't work". Is the interface down? connection fails? connection there but no data transmitted?
[22:19] <yofel> also, look at /var/log/syslog. That's where network-manager puts the debug output
[22:20] <steveire> yofel: I can see the essid. When I select it in the network manager applet it gets stuck at configuring nework interface or something like that
[22:20] <yofel> can you pastebin your syslog?
[22:22] <steveire> It's large. I'll tail -f it and grep for NetworkManager. It seems to take 45 seconds to timeout
[22:26] <steveire> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5656527/
[22:26] <steveire> Had to find a usbkey :)
[22:26] <steveire> Looks like it's trying to show me an auth dialog, but I'm not seeing one?
[22:27] <steveire> Can I try to connect on the command line somehow so that it asks me to auth there?
[22:30] <yofel> hm... not sure how to do that with NM. There's nmcli, but that doesn't seem to be able to create new connections...?
[22:30] <yofel> steveire: any device errors in dmesg or is that clean?
[22:33] <steveire> yofel: I don't see any errors in there, nope
[22:35] <yofel> maybe verify that the password is correct in the connection settings. Otherwise I think NM has some setting to make it even more verbose, but I can't remember that now
[22:40] <steveire> I have some progress to report
[22:40] <steveire> If I boot with an old kernel, I can connect with the wired network cable
[22:40] <steveire> Wireless still does not work
[22:41] <steveire> I'm surprised the old kernels are there actually
[22:41] <steveire> It's a 3.5 and a 3.8 that are there under 'alternative ubuntu' or whatever in grub
[22:41] <steveire> The 3.5 one allows me to connect wired
[22:44] <Bauer1> is there anyway to make Ubuntu notifications not loose focus and blur when I get close to them with the mouse?
[22:44] <Bauer1> its annoying I cant click it to bring the relevant application to the front
[22:45] <RPG_Master_> Thanks yofel ! Reinstalling the kernel did it. :D
[22:45] <steveire> yofel: Would that indicate something fault with drivers in the newer kernels?
[22:48] <yofel> steveire: possibly, but then it's weird that dmesg shows nothing
[22:50] <yofel> steveire: try to file a bug like this: when running the broken kernel, run 'apport-cli linux --save=report.apport', then boot to the old kernel and report the bug with 'apport-cli report.apport'
[22:50] <steveire> If dmesg shows something would it be near the start or near the end? What would I look for?
[22:50] <steveire> Ok, I'll try that.
[22:50] <yofel> near the end, anything that would be related to the network card
[23:02] <steveire> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1161655
[23:02] <steveire> Thanks for the detective work help
[23:03] <Belial> 3.8.0-15 fixed high load issue.
[23:06] <steveire> Hmm, I wonder if it's akonadi related
[23:13] <maxb> I have a problem with the totem media player, which I've filed in OMT1158594. If anyone has some spare time and feels like checking if it reproduces, that would be nice.
[23:13] <maxb> erm,
[23:13] <maxb> I mean bug 1158594
[23:13] <maxb> Wrong issue tracker prefix :-)
[23:14] <maxb> If it occurs generally, I should probably make more noise about the bug - if it's somehow just me, less so.


[07:22] <hads> Just asked a question on a Trademe auction for the chipset of a WiFi dongle. Answer was "Not sure it works great on my laptop"
[08:02] <Atamira> heh
[08:02] <G> hads: he's not sure it works great?
[08:12] <lifeless> ,
[18:43] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:31] <ajmitch> morning
[19:38] <mwhudson> morning
[19:48] <thumper> morning
[19:55] <chilts> morning
[20:14] <ojwb> morning
[20:30] <hads> Grump, silly new update restart dialog with no close button. Need to right click on panel to close it.
[20:39] <chilts> got connceted with Flip yesterday no problem
[20:39] <chilts> an email and a text message to tell me it's done
[20:39] <chilts> they've automated everything - 'tis nice