[05:31] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) You must add this line in /etc/apt/sources.list by hand though, because synaptic doesn't understand this format.
[05:31] (Gmail/#ubuntu) i installed from the blackdown responory
[05:31] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust ja
[05:31] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) which one?
[05:31] <Tsjoklat> en zeg maar je :P
[05:31] (Gmail/#ubuntu) the newer one
[05:31] <Tsjoklat> you can say you
[05:31] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) on warty?
[05:31] (Gmail/#ubuntu) hoary
[05:32] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) oh, I dunno about hoary.  Ask one of the bleeding edge merchants about it :)
[05:32] <Tsjoklat> what has me being Dutch have to do with the strong bad e-mail? lol
[05:32] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: heh heh, I'm embarrassed to say I used BabelFish translation: I don't speak Nederlandse myself
[05:32] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: itsbasicly the same
[05:32] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust you whois'd me :P
[05:32] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) so i need to find a ms acess database editor, any suggestions?
[05:33] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: Well, partly I was just curious because of the way you spelled your name (that means 'chocolate', right?), and partly because I don't think Strong Bad is popular outside Canada and the United States
[05:33] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: have you tried creating your own package using java-package?
[05:34] <gill> hi y'all!
[05:34] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: it's an online cartoon from the United States; if you grew up in the Eighties, there are a lot of great jokes... cultural references and stuff
[05:34] <Gwildor> i am a newb, and i just have to ask, is things like sed being broken for a few day why hoary is called UNSTABLE?, cause, to me, that is no big thing at all, speccialy since it was only that way for a few days
[05:34] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust that's correct.. Tjoklat is an Indonesian brand of chocolate sold in the Netherlands
[05:34] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: no and i am not going to
[05:34] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust ah I see the light.. forgive my ignorance
[05:35] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: ah, cool. Yeah, here in western Canada there are quite a few Nederlanders... some from the Nederlands, some from Indonesia
[05:35] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: it looks to me like you're going to be out of luck with that package you have.  If hoary doesn't have the right libraries, you're pretty screwed
[05:35] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust I am both :) Eurasian
[05:35] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: you can find it at http://www.homestarrunner.com
[05:35] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: cool! so where were you born?
[05:35] <pdaoust> (and where do you live now?)
[05:35] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: and warty does?
[05:35] <gill> quick question - Just installed Ubuntu and its fab, but it didn't automount my NTFS drives - what do i need to edit so that they show up?
[05:35] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust thank you, I'll check it out... Yogjakarta raised in the Netherlands
[05:35] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: I assume so.
[05:36] <pdaoust> wow... sounds like you're well-traveled
[05:36] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: unless you have something else broken
[05:36] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust living in CA now.. as in the American CA
[05:36] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: how do you like it there?
[05:36] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust quite different... rather be back in OZ lol
[05:36] <pdaoust> :)
[05:36] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: Oz as in Australia? gee whiz, you have travelled
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust I lived in Australia, New Zealand, America and Europe yes
[05:37] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i can install older versions of files
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> hey Rene
[05:37] <Rene_S> Howdy
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> how's ubu treating you as of late?
[05:37] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: and then anything compiled against the newer library will break
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> still having issues?
[05:38] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust funny site.. thanks for the link
[05:38] <Rene_S> I went back to warty for the time being, testing Codeweavers Crossover Office on it
[05:38] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S you reinstalled ubu totally?
[05:38] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: no problem. It takes a while to get into -- at first I thought, "what is this crap and what's it supposed to be mean?" but eventually the style of humour really grew on me.
[05:39] <pdaoust> hey, does anyone know if FTTP has been on this channel lately? he/she was having problems earlier with GRUB, and I was wondering if they've been dealt with...
[05:39] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i have libstdc++6 install i can ALSO install libstdc++2.10 which has that file i need BUT libstdc++2.10 relies on gcc2.95 and will couse problems
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust I'll give it a whizz :)
[05:39] (Gmail/#ubuntu) and anyway the program is a java one
[05:39] <Rene_S> Tsjoklat, Yeah, needed a clean slate.  Made a mess out of my other install with all my mad science experiments
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust he/she/it was here earlier and I think the problems got solved... not too sure though
[05:39] (Gmail/#ubuntu) why coundn't they give a jar
[05:39] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: you don't think the java virtual machine is written in java...
[05:40] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S that's too bad... but you can always re dist-upgrade in april :)
[05:40] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: the virtual machine has to be written in something that compiles to native code!
[05:40] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: thanks for the info!
[05:40] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust you are most welcome
[05:40] <pdaoust> I think I'm leaving now, folks... gotta go to bed :)
[05:40] <Rene_S> Tsjoklat, Of course, for now I need a stable platform, have to start getting productive on my Photography Studio
[05:41] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S keep me informed about the Codeweavers.. it is something I am considering
[05:41] (Gmail/#ubuntu) lol
[05:41] <ubll> how do I mount a second hard drive correctly?
[05:41] <ubll> I mounted it but the icons show up as feet and i cant open them
[05:41] <Rene_S> Tsjoklat, So far I know Office XP works well.  Want to try Photoshop
[05:41] <Tsjoklat> with a hammer and some nails :P
[05:42] <ubll> :D
[05:42] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S I am anxious to find out if MMJB will work myself
[05:42] <Rene_S> I think that Jesus, not sure HD would respond as well to that as he did
[05:42] <Tsjoklat> ubll what second hard drive? you just added a new hd? or an excisting one? dos? nix?
[05:43] <ubll> it's a slave drive I use in Windows. It's fat32, its recognized by Linux as hdb1
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S I just saw that movie and I can honestly say: it is the most sick movie ever seen
[05:43] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) ubll: how did you mount it?
[05:43] <ubll> via fstab
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> ubll but it is not mounted you say? as in not showing up?
[05:43] <ubll> it is mounted, but the dir's show up as the gnome foot icon
[05:43] <Rene_S> Yeah when i went to it I walked away from it feeling assaulted and drained
[05:43] <Rene_S> and I am an athiest
[05:44] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) I'm going to bed I think...far too late to be playing 20 questions
[05:44] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S I second to that .. the feelings
[05:44] <Tsjoklat> night bagpuss don't forget your cookies
[05:44] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: but i have a newer version of the vm to the one its look for (to see if i java installed)
[05:44] <ubll> /dev/hdb1  /mnt/media/  vfat  users,rw,auto  0  0
[05:44] <Tsjoklat> hey seek187
[05:44] <seek187> Hi
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> ubll this is mine: /dev/hda2       /windows/D      vfat    noauto,users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[05:45] <Rene_S> Tsjoklat, Now having said that I think as a "Movie" its one of the best on the Subject, and Mel deserves credit for it
[05:45] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) how do i extract files from an iso?
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S yes that is true but the movie is just.. in your face wouldn't you agree... reading is one thing but seeing it
[05:45] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: mount it
[05:46] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) ok
[05:46] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /mountpoint
[05:46] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) yeah... i was thinking there MUST be an easier way, but i guess not
[05:46] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) thanks
[05:46] <Rene_S> Tsjoklat, I think it did what it set out to do, stir up people's "passions".  Rare thing for a movie these days
[05:46] <Tsjoklat> Gmail I think bagpuss went MIA
[05:46] <ubll> tsjoklat thanks i'll try it
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> ubll I hope it'll do the trick for you
[05:47] (Gmail/#ubuntu) MIA???
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> Gmail: Missing In Action
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S I am sort of worried about his next project: Bodicea
[05:47] <gill> anyone wanna take a stab at mounting some NTFS disks in Ubuntu?
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> gill what is the problem?
[05:48] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) what the hell?
[05:48] <Ubuntu> gill i did already
[05:48] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) gmail in an independant study of signal/noise of you, the balance came up in favour of noise.
[05:48] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: it's almost 5am here.  I'm going to bed.  If that makes you unhappy/angry/whatever, apply for a full refund.
[05:48] <gill> looks like by default Ubuntu doesn't put mount points in fstab
[05:48] <Ubuntu> gill:  need to modify etc/fstab
[05:48] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) mount -t iso9660 -o loop en_ell_dev_edt_aa.iso /mnt/iso
[05:48] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[05:48] <Ubuntu> gill:  Yep exactly
[05:48] <Ubuntu> gill:  Add it :)
[05:48] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) any suggesions?
[05:49] <s0cks> I am going to custom build an installer using disk druid
[05:49] <s0cks> and maybe work on the graphical installer
[05:49] <Mark1> i know that ubuntu is supposed to come out with updates/upgrades every 6 months
[05:49] <gill> i am just trying to figure the correct entries to add
[05:49] <Ubuntu> gill:  oh i just added em
[05:49] <Ubuntu> gill ill give you mine
[05:49] <Mark1> has anyone done the 6 month upgrade (basically is it worth it)
[05:49] <seek187> Mark1, hoary?
[05:49] <Mark1> or is it basically the exact same as doing sudo apt-get update  / upgrade  ?
[05:49] <s0cks> Mark1 : I wouldn't know just yet.
[05:50] <Mark1> s0cks: thanks, figured i'a at least ask
[05:50] <s0cks> I need to hurry up and get my CD.
[05:50] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: modprobe loop
[05:50] <Ubuntu> gill:  /dev/hda1       /mnt/winxp      ntfs    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[05:50] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: you can have it as soon as I receive the $1000 you paid!
[05:50] <gill> ahhh cool
[05:50] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i prepaid
[05:50] <Ubuntu> gill just copy and paste that in there and sudo pico /etc/fstab
[05:50] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) *sigh*
[05:50] <gill> if there is only one volume on the drive, would it be just hda?
[05:50] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: didn't you see that 1k next to ya bed
[05:51] <Ubuntu> gill:  Oh wait your drive could be different
[05:51] <Ubuntu> gill:  how many hds you have?
[05:51] <gill> 2 ntfs drives
[05:51] <gill> 1 partition each
[05:51] <Ubuntu> gill:  2 NTFS?  no ext3?
[05:51] <Ubuntu> for linux?
[05:51] <Ubuntu> or you have 3 hds?
[05:51] <gill> these are my audio drives under XP
[05:51] <gill> 3 hds total
[05:51] <Tsjoklat> /dev/hda1       /windows/C      ntfs    ro,noauto,users,gid=users,umask=0002,nls=utf8 0 0
[05:51] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: your problem is that the version of java you have is compiled against a version of libstdc++ you don't have.  I don't know how else to put it.  Your choices are to GET the version it's compiled against,. or get a different java that's compiled against the librtaries you DO have.
[05:52] <Ubuntu> gill:  Ok i have 2
[05:52] <Ubuntu> gill:  1st hd 1st partition is hda1
[05:52] <gill> ahh gotcha
[05:52] <Ubuntu> gill:  just use mine
[05:52] <Ubuntu> tsjoklat:   8?
[05:52] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: apart from that, I don't know what else to tell you.  I could come do it FOR you.  But at 5am, I'm not doing that for the money you didn't pay me.
[05:52] <Ubuntu> tsjoklat:  8 is if you want to secure it right?
[05:52] <gill> do i need to create the folders/mnt points in /mnt first?
[05:52] <Ubuntu> tsjoklat:  I only have just me so i want everyone to have access
[05:52] <Tsjoklat> Ubuntu: yes I got my windows system secured yes
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> gill don't pay attention to that part please
[05:53] <Ubuntu> gill u want it secured?
[05:53] <gill> nah...i am the only user
[05:53] <Ubuntu> gill:  ok then mine is fine
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> Ubuntu: I don't share that drive.. no need to be messing with the system files I say
[05:53] <Ubuntu> tsjoklat:  And I agree with you if your not a single user
[05:53] <Ubuntu> tsjoklaT:  Thats why we can configure it how we want invidually :)
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> Ubuntu: I am the single user but I am a female so by nature I am paranoid :P
[05:54] <gill> will my normal user account still have access to the shares?
[05:54] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) heh... this blows... i have the whole mells collection of books in iso format LEGALLY and i can't use any of them
[05:54] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) damn microsoft
[05:54] <Tsjoklat> gill: follow Ubuntu's advice :)
[05:56] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: what about the stabs i gave ya
[05:56] <gill> should i create the mnt points in /mnt first?
[05:56] <Tsjoklat> gill yes
[05:56] <Ubuntu> tsjoklat:  New linux images on synaptic?
[05:56] <Ubuntu> im shocked :)
[05:56] <gill> would i need to change the permissions after creating them?
[05:56] <Tsjoklat> Ubuntu hamana?
[05:57] <Tsjoklat> Ubuntu what do you mean?
[05:58] <Ubuntu> ?
[05:58] <Ubuntu> oops i thought i was fttp
[05:58] <FTTP> wrong nick :P
[05:58] <FTTP> tsjoklat  I did apply update
[05:58] <FTTP> for synaptic
[05:58] <Tsjoklat> FTTP poadoust was looking for you earlier
[05:58] <FTTP> it said there was new linux image file
[05:58] <Tsjoklat> FTTP ah... all good now again?
[05:59] <FTTP> tsjolat:  How can i check my current version of the image file?
[05:59] <FTTP> tsjolat:  For linux i mean
[05:59] <FTTP> my kernel version i assume?
[05:59] <Tsjoklat> uname -a
[05:59] <icu> Whenever I boot my laptop running a variety of kernels, both precompiled from the repositories or even compile from vanilla kernels. 2.6.7 <IP_ADDRESS> 2.6.9 My sound doesn't work. It's a toshiba a70 with an atiixp ixp150 chip. It gives error -13 in dmesg. Anyone know of a solution?
[05:59] <FTTP> tsjoklat:  is that a bug then?
[06:00] <aitrus> that won't tell you whether you ahve the new Ubunutu image or not
[06:00] <Tsjoklat> FTTP it doesn't show up for you?
[06:00] <FTTP> tsjoklaT:  I have the same kernel
[06:00] <FTTP> as the new image file
[06:00] <FTTP> it showed up
[06:00] <Tsjoklat> FTTP I don't quite get your question?
[06:00] <aitrus> cause it is still <IP_ADDRESS>-3 with a different apt version number
[06:00] <FTTP> oh
[06:00] <FTTP> aitrus so its not a bug but a new file?
[06:00] <gill> do i need to log out and back in after editing the fstab file?
[06:01] <aitrus> dpkg -l linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686-smp
[06:01] <FTTP> aitrus:  oops............ 16-1
[06:01] <FTTP> doh
[06:01] <FTTP> aitrus:  I missed that :)
[06:01] <aitrus> FTTP: it's the same kernel version with a fix
[06:01] <FTTP> aitrus is that in the annoucement section?
[06:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) icu: you really need to try the latest ALSA, which is available separately or in 2.6.10-rc2
[06:01] <FTTP> aitrus:  For mailing list i mean?
[06:01] <FTTP> to see what the fixes are
[06:01] <icu> Crimsun: is there a prebuilt package for 2.6.10?
[06:01] <aitrus> FTTP: don't know
[06:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) icu: not in pool, no. I created my own debs a couple nights ago.
[06:02] <FTTP> doesnt hurt to try em :)
[06:02] <FTTP> looks like we are constantly updated
[06:02] <icu> run a source?
[06:02] <aitrus> FTTP: <IP_ADDRESS>-16.1 is the latest, though
[06:02] <FTTP> yep
[06:02] <aitrus> FTTP: it confused me at first as well
[06:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) icu: if you just want to try 2.6.10-rc2, they're in that kernel.
[06:02] <icu> crimsun:  how stable is 2.6.10-rc2 so far?
[06:02] <FTTP> aitrus its a security patch it looks like
[06:02] <aitrus> FTTP: cause i rebooted, and it said i was loading <IP_ADDRESS>-3... and i was like "WTF, mate..."
[06:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) icu: no idea. I use ones from Warty.
[06:03] <FTTP> ok all done :)
[06:04] <Tsjoklat> hit escape?
[06:04] (Gmail/#ubuntu) that will wake him up
[06:04] <Tsjoklat> Gmail I think he went to bed... yelling and farting on him will not wake him up at this time
[06:04] <FTTP> aitrus:  ubuntu should move the sources to bittorrent
[06:05] <FTTP> bandwidth is gonna cost em a fortune
[06:05] <aitrus> FTTP: there is a bittorrent for iso's
[06:05] <FTTP> aitrus i mean for updates + patches
[06:05] <FTTP> since they are a freeos
[06:05] <aitrus> FTTP: does apt support that?  =)
[06:05] <FTTP> aitrus yes..... where does debian get its funding ? :P
[06:06] <FTTP> i mean debian has it like that too
[06:06] <aitrus> FTTP: the homeless
[06:06] <FTTP> and it has alot of users
[06:06] <aitrus> FTTP: that's why there hasn't been an "official" release in so long =)
[06:06] <FTTP> aitrus ubuntu wants a bittorrent client build in
[06:06] <FTTP> :P
[06:06] <FTTP> i dont know what they will use it for tho
[06:06] <FTTP> they should use it for package management
[06:07] <FTTP> would save tons of dough
[06:07] <FTTP> and we all get fast speeds from each other :)
[06:07] <FTTP> problem arises tho after the mad rush
[06:07] (Gmail/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: we will see about that
[06:08] <Tsjoklat> Gmail: suit yourself but it is becoming rather annoying :)
[06:08] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: <aitrus> teabag him
[06:08] (Gmail/#ubuntu) aitrus: is going to kill me
[06:09] (Gmail/#ubuntu) i faked that
[06:09] (Gmail/#ubuntu) aitrus: didn't really say that
[06:10] <FTTP> i cant wait for hoary official
[06:10] <Tsjoklat> *yawn*
[06:10] <FTTP> this os is working like a dreaM
[06:10] (Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: only 3 months to go??
[06:10] <FTTP> gmail 6 i thought?
[06:10] <FTTP> anyways
[06:10] (Gmail/#ubuntu) aitrus: told me what it means
[06:10] <FTTP> gmail:  Only problem is grub
[06:11] (Gmail/#ubuntu) i am going to kill him now
[06:11] <FTTP> gmail:  and the bootscreens and stuff
[06:11] <FTTP> needs a little tweaking which will be done for sure :P
[06:11] (Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: ya alot of the stuff they said will be in hoary is here already
[06:12] (Gmail/#ubuntu) he told me to say something totally sick
[06:12] <aitrus> what??
[06:12] (Gmail/#ubuntu) /silince aitrus
[06:12] (Gmail/#ubuntu) err
[06:13] <FTTP> gmail u using hoary now?
[06:13] (Gmail/#ubuntu) how do i spell silince
[06:13] <FTTP> im afraid to update to hoary after my bad experiences
[06:13] <FTTP> should i use hoary instead or no?
[06:13] (Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP:  been from the min the merge has been fished
[06:13] <FTTP> gmail any problems?
[06:13] (Gmail/#ubuntu) upgrade
[06:13] <FTTP> u recommend it?
[06:13] (Gmail/#ubuntu) as long as you know what you are doing
[06:13] <FTTP> yeah
[06:13] <FTTP> ok
[06:14] <seek187> I like hoary
[06:14] <FTTP> well
[06:14] <FTTP> how do i add hoary?
[06:14] (Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: sed WAS broken
[06:14] <seek187> But it can break
[06:14] <FTTP> gmail they fixed it tho right?
[06:14] <seek187> Just change warty to hoary in sources.list
[06:14] <seek187> It's fixed
[06:14] (Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: if you don't know howto upgrade then its not for ya
[06:14] <FTTP> gmail:  lol
[06:14] <FTTP> gmail:  ill go to hoary :)
[06:14] <FTTP> seek187 ok
[06:15] <FTTP> seek187 where is sources.list?
[06:15] <seek187> or do it in synaptic
[06:15] <FTTP> yep
[06:15] <FTTP> okie
[06:15] <seek187> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:15] <seek187> then apt-get dist-upgrade or smart upgrade in synaptic
[06:16] <NewNick> HOARY have FGLRX drivers yet?
[06:16] <seek187> NewNick, they don't work with xorg
[06:16] (Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: hoary is not for you
[06:16] <Mark1> quit
[06:16] <NewNick> are the developers working on them or are we all screwed ?:P
[06:16] <seek187> ATI I guess is coming out with them in december
[06:16] <NewNick> icic
[06:16] (Gmail/#ubuntu) things brake and you don't know howto fix them
[06:17] <seek187> they better anyway :/
[06:17] <NewNick> It sucks that I cant use 3d rendering with WARTY cause fglrx thinks im using a 9500 generic when I have a 9700 pro
[06:17] <NewNick> anyone know why?
[06:18] <Rene_S> Dear ATI Users, We are sorry we didnt care enough to make your drivers, may we suggest Nvidia as a Quality Alternative ?  Thanks ATI Management
[06:18] <FTTP> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:18] <FTTP> do i need to reboot?
[06:18] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) huh
[06:18] <NewNick> Rene_S: lol
[06:18] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) FTTP: The only time you need to reboot is when you want to use a new kernel
[06:18] <FTTP> ok
[06:18] <FTTP> i just refreshed
[06:19] <FTTP> now it works
[06:19] <FTTP> guess thats normal
[06:19] <seek187> yup have to reload
[06:19] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) yes
[06:19] <Rene_S> What I like is when you reload all fine and then it doesnt dl anything due to overuse
[06:19] <seek187> lol
[06:20] <seek187> haven't had that happen yet
[06:20] <Rene_S> I did on Official Debian servers last week
[06:20] <FTTP> oh no
[06:20] <FTTP> it needs 60 megs free?
[06:20] <FTTP> for all the updates?
[06:20] <Rene_S> the one i picked was congested
[06:20] <seek187> it's going to update every package on your system.
[06:20] <FTTP> errr 60 gig
[06:20] <seek187> 60 gig?!
[06:21] <FTTP> seek187:  nevermind, its 60 megs, my hd is 60 gig
[06:21] <seek187> lol
[06:22] <FTTP> seek187:  problem arises if due to updates i cant get into my system
[06:22] <FTTP> then i have to reinstall warty :P
[06:22] <seek187> brb, my dsl is going screwy
[06:23] <Rene_S> whoops hit the wrong button
[06:24] <seek187> hmm I can't connect to the ubuntu forums
[06:25] <seek187> oh well
[06:27] <Rene_S> Aside from Xmms what else is a decent music player that  i can use in Ubuntu ?
[06:27] (crimsun/#ubuntu) rhythmbox, muine, totem-xine, alsaplayer, etc.
[06:28] <Rene_S> I like xine based ones the best
[06:28] <Rene_S> I guess I can use Rythmbox its already installed
[06:29] <scoon> well its late here,
[06:29] <scoon> good nite all.
[06:30] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ni
[06:34] <FTTP> dang
[06:34] <FTTP> hoary takes this long?
[06:34] <FTTP> hundreds of files
[06:34] <Rene_S> 575 or so
[06:35] <FTTP> its gonna take till tomorrow
[06:35] <FTTP> well i download quick at 5mBPS
[06:35] <FTTP> but now its installing
[06:36] <FTTP> is hoary much different?
[06:36] <Rene_S> Xorg
[06:36] <FTTP> other than xorg?
[06:36] <FTTP> or thats it
[06:36] <Rene_S> think there beta testing Gnome as well
[06:36] <FTTP> i mean significant changes
[06:36] <FTTP> it got added today?
[06:37] <Rene_S> there are some 2.9 packages
[06:37] <FTTP> kewl
[06:37] <FTTP> is xorg any noticably different?
[06:37] <Rene_S> Not really
[06:37] <FTTP> hmm
[06:37] <Rene_S> some people say its faster
[06:37] <Rene_S> I have never tested it to find out
[06:38] <Rene_S> I think down the road there will be significant changes to Xorg but for now I cant notice the difference
[06:40] <FTTP> rene:  will my nvidia drivers still be there?
[06:40] <FTTP> or do i have to redownload/reupdate em?
[06:41] <FTTP> hoary is ready
[06:41] <FTTP> have to reboot or no?
[06:41] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) did you download a new kernel?
[06:41] <dasenjo> Hi, how are you? .. Im tyring to use Hoary with UTF-8, but I have to use ,, in Spanish .. I cant use it in OO .. any suggestions ?'
[06:41] <FTTP> i guess
[06:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) nvidia drivers work with xorg
[06:42] (jdub/#ubuntu) there is a minor kernel revision in hoary
[06:42] <FTTP> agrajag:  Hoary = new kernel?
[06:42] <FTTP> ok
[06:42] <FTTP> ill reboot
[06:42] <FTTP> brb
[06:42] (jdub/#ubuntu) worth rebooting anyway
[06:42] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) FTTP: well, yes or no? If you did, then you should reboot to use the new kernel. If not, then there is no need
[06:44] <Rene_S> I hope he downloaded all of xorg
[06:44] <Rene_S> i had a slight problem when i upgraded once
[06:48] <Chibi> Hmmm. :/
[06:48] <Rene_S> Hummmm
[06:49] (gen/#ubuntu) tp
[06:49] (Gmail/#ubuntu) wtf Rene_S
[06:50] (stuNNed/#ubuntu) what package is gnome-screenshot a part of?
[06:50] <Rene_S> wtf what ?
[06:50] (Gmail/#ubuntu) wtf,wtf what
[06:50] (jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: it's moved from panel to utils
[06:50] (jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: there has not been a release of utils
[06:51] (stuNNed/#ubuntu) jdub, ah, ok then, thanks mate
[06:51] <Rene_S> wtf, wtf wtf what is going on wtf
[06:52] <Rene_S> I think we exhausted the WTF category here on Ubuntu Jeapordy
[06:54] (stuNNed/#ubuntu) jdub, what is the command line to take a screenshot?
[06:54] <Tsjoklat> gimp file acquire
[06:55] <Tsjoklat> brb phone
[06:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: that's it, but it's not on your system
[06:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: you can also use xwd or other programs
[06:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) gimp
[06:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) yada
[06:56] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) import -window root screen.png
[06:56] (stuNNed/#ubuntu) Agrajag, that's it, thanks
[07:04] <mass> hello; does ubuntu support creationg of and installation onto software raid?
[07:04] (jdub/#ubuntu) yes
[07:04] <mass> are there any tricks to it, or is it a gui installer option?
[07:05] <mass> (I'm planning on doing it .. well, I was planning on tonight, but being 11 pm, that seems silly)
[07:08] <FTTP> hoary is nice
[07:08] <FTTP> no big problems
[07:08] <FTTP> too many games tho
[07:09] <FTTP> installed on default
[07:09] <FTTP> :P
[07:09] <FTTP> i would have cut down on some stuff
[07:09] <FTTP> and made it available on apt-get
[07:09] (jdub/#ubuntu) they're all in the same package
[07:09] <Rene_S> Well its a long way till final release
[07:09] (jdub/#ubuntu) it will be dealt with, howeer
[07:09] <Rene_S> things change
[07:09] <FTTP> jdub:  they planning on trimming the app count down?
[07:10] <FTTP> jdub:  takes up unwanted space for some....
[07:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) i want to fix the overloaded games menu
[07:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) the other menus are fine
[07:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) system tools needs love
[07:10] <FTTP> jdub:  Yep
[07:10] <FTTP> jdub:  You work for ubuntu?
[07:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) but most of these issues are just synced-with-debian-new-bugs problems
[07:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) yes
[07:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) (work for canonical on ubuntu)
[07:11] <FTTP> ahhh
[07:11] <FTTP> jdub:  Not that there is anything wrong with all those games
[07:11] <FTTP> but it kinda takes up alot of space
[07:11] <FTTP> if i want those games i could apt get em
[07:11] <Rene_S> I want the services-admin thing back
[07:11] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) they're very small games
[07:11] <FTTP> agrajag no i mean screenspace
[07:11] <FTTP> menu looks cluttered
[07:11] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) huh?
[07:11] (jdub/#ubuntu) Agrajag: the games menu is very long
[07:11] <cef_work> is there a graphical partitioning utility in warty, and I'm just missing it?
[07:12] (jdub/#ubuntu) cef_work: no
[07:12] <cef_work> jdub: cool.. no problem
[07:12] <FTTP> jdub:  those who want all the games will be able to get em :)
[07:12] (erik/#ubuntu) ok guys
[07:12] (erik/#ubuntu) whoever takes care of these new gnus/erc packages
[07:12] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: they're in the same package
[07:12] (erik/#ubuntu) be they debian or ubuntu
[07:12] (erik/#ubuntu) I love you, a lot
[07:12] <FTTP> jdub:  oh i see
[07:12] <cef_work> jdub: mainly want it so I can repartition/reformat my 500GB USB removable.
[07:12] <FTTP> gnome games right?
[07:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) cef_work: cfdisk is nice :)
[07:13] <FTTP> jdub:  the games doesnt really bother me, just seems like the list is long and cluttered
[07:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) it's just long, dude
[07:13] <FTTP> yep
[07:13] <cef_work> jdub: heh yup. btw: if a removable is ntfs, it doesn't automount.. *8-(
[07:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) problem is known
[07:14] (jdub/#ubuntu) it will be dealt with
[07:14] <FTTP> jdub:  hoary is nice
[07:14] <FTTP> jdub:  I like it alot
[07:14] (jdub/#ubuntu) cef_work: mmm, pretty sure there's a bug filed about that
[07:14] <cef_work> hoary would be really nice if when I upgraded it didn't decide to leave me without a working kernel *8-(
[07:14] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) jdub: are there plans to automount internal hard disks?
[07:15] <Rene_S> hehe i had that happen to me too
[07:15] <FTTP> jdub:  On installation tho the bootscreen login is too small
[07:15] <FTTP> the text comes out as tiny
[07:15] <cef_work> Rene_S: tis not fun
[07:15] <Rene_S> first time i did the hoary thing i messed up something or wasnt paying attention and poof had to reinstall from scratch
[07:16] <Rene_S> turned out i missed an error message and the kernel didnt get installed
[07:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) GammaRay: kind of
[07:16] <FTTP> jdub:  ubuntu just needs a little cleaning up around the rough edges
[07:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: if you have bugs, file them
[07:16] <FTTP> jdub:  Is that a bug tho?
[07:17] <Ruffian|Q|> Ubuntu is nice, too nice, its soooooooo boring.  I love it though
[07:17] <FTTP> jdub:  i like the fact that gnome and ubuntu are close :)
[07:17] <FTTP> ubuntu keeps showing off the best of gnome
[07:17] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Ruffian|Q|: upgrading to hoary otta shut you up :-P
[07:17] <FTTP> came out with warty with gnome 2.8
[07:18] <Ruffian|Q|> GammaRay, Im afraid!
[07:18] <FTTP> really nice start :)
[07:18] <Rene_S> I like the fact that Ubuntu is boring, leaves me time to learn some of the 10 000 other apps kicking around
[07:18] <FTTP> jdub i must say linux really has grown up
[07:18] <FTTP> i remember those distros where window sizing was all off
[07:18] <FTTP> like i would load these apps and the windows would be out of place
[07:19] <FTTP> gnome makes everything nice and neat
[07:19] <deFrysk> am I in #buttkiss ?
[07:19] <Rene_S> hehe
[07:19] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) deFrysk: nah.. it's #ubuttkiss
[07:20] <deFrysk> GammaRay, righto ;)
[07:21] (Telep/#ubuntu) lol
[07:22] (erik/#ubuntu) download some Electric Six instead!  new single on their website
[07:22] <cryptomatt> does ubuntu support the intel 845 GL motherboard??
[07:22] (erik/#ubuntu) speaking of music -
[07:22] (erik/#ubuntu) is there any way to eject my ipod from ubuntu's gnome2.8?
[07:23] (erik/#ubuntu) I can unmount it but you need to send it a SCSI eject for it to be undockable
[07:23] <cef_work> this should be funny.. 500GB of ext3 goodness on a USB2 removable
[07:24] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) speaking of unmounting.. is it safe to just pull out a flash card?
[07:24] (erik/#ubuntu) GammaRay: if you're 100% sure it's not being written to, yeah
[07:24] (erik/#ubuntu) but it's not recommended
[07:25] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) it's just sooo neat when the windows disappear for you (-:
[07:25] (erik/#ubuntu) heh
[07:25] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) but if I could find some way to mount it ro...
[07:25] (erik/#ubuntu) man pmount
[07:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I format all my flash cards in my camera anyways
[07:26] (erik/#ubuntu) actually
[07:26] (erik/#ubuntu) i don't think pmount CAN ro
[07:26] (erik/#ubuntu) that's surprising
[07:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) but how would I just change the options it's automounted under?
[07:28] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) i keep trying to unzip zip files and i get an error... something about End-of-central-directory signature not found, what do i do about that?
[07:28] (erik/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: get a non-damaged zip file?
[07:29] (erik/#ubuntu) GammaRay: recompile pmount, I guess
[07:29] (erik/#ubuntu) I don't know where in hotplug pmount is called
[07:29] (erik/#ubuntu) but if you find it you could insert your own ro-mounter there
[07:29] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) erik: its doing it to many zip files
[07:29] (erik/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: hm, haven't seen it.  maybe they're passworded?
[07:29] (erik/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: you're sure they're .zip and not .gz?
[07:29] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) hmm, maybe
[07:30] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) lemme check
[07:30] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) yeah
[07:30] (erik/#ubuntu) not to insult your intelligence of course :)
[07:30] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) heh
[07:30] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) they are all zipped on a windows machine
[07:31] <cef_work> using which zip variant?
[07:31] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) no idea
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) is there a good gnome ipod client yet?
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) gtkpod is useable but the wife isn't impressed
[07:32] <cef_work> outta here
[07:32] (Gmail/#ubuntu) AHHHH anyone know a site to check if it thundering some where?
[07:32] (erik/#ubuntu) Gmail: weather.com
[07:32] (erik/#ubuntu) ?
[07:32] (crimsun/#ubuntu) rssweather? weatheruground?
[07:32] <deFrysk> weather applet
[07:33] <binarydigit> Gmail: dude you've never once in your life checked the weather online?
[07:33] (Gmail/#ubuntu) no
[07:34] (Gmail/#ubuntu) is australia on that site too
[07:34] (Gmail/#ubuntu) the sites very slow
[07:34] <binarydigit> with a name like gmail you would think you would have heard about this great internet website called google that always you to search for anything
[07:35] <Rene_S> eww bslapped in public
[07:35] <binarydigit> er allows*
[07:39] <Ubuntu> that HAL device manager in gnome is horrible
[07:39] <Ubuntu> i know its just a beta
[07:39] <Ubuntu> .release
[07:39] <Ubuntu> but gnome can do better :)
[07:39] <Ubuntu> everything is disorganized
[07:39] <moon> Looking for some help: When I try to use sudo I get: "Sorry, sudo must be setuid root." I've tried `chmod 4111 /usr/bin/sudo` and `chmod a+xs executable` to no avail. Am I missing something?
[07:39] <Ubuntu> ubuntu is definitely very stable
[07:40] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) are there any other unzip programs for ubuntu other than "unzip"?
[07:40] <FTTP> gnome is awesome :)
[07:41] <FTTP> anyone else get that weird black pattern when clicking on mozilla?
[07:41] <FTTP> i mean like a boxshaped
[07:41] <FTTP> i just reported it as a bug
[07:42] <childe> I found the word "Ubuntu" rather difficult to pronounce.
[07:42] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) the mouse pointer seems to flicker when I scroll.. anyone else notice this?
[07:43] <deFrysk> GammaRay, how would I , cant see your screen
[07:43] <moon> Quad: bunzip2, gunzip and many others
[07:43] <FTTP> deFRysk yes u can
[07:43] <FTTP> this is LINUX!
[07:43] <FTTP> we have xservers :)
[07:43] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) deFrysk: I'm asking if you can see your screen :-P
[07:43] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) childe: I usually say you-bun-2
[07:43] <FTTP> if u enable a login i can see your screen and u can see mine
[07:44] <FTTP> :P
[07:44] <FTTP> anyways
[07:44] <FTTP> no flicker on scroll
[07:44] <deFrysk> yuh buh tuh
[07:44] <FTTP> on xchat
[07:44] <FTTP> where are u seeing the flicker?
[07:44] <childe> It seems that the official pronounciation is "OO BOON TOO"
[07:45] <FTTP> does ubuntu come with a firewall?
[07:45] <FTTP> enabled on default?
[07:45] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) childe: oh boone(as in pat) 2?
[07:45] <childe> I don't know :-( I wonder waht's the sound of "OO"
[07:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: no firewall..
[07:46] <FTTP> gammaray we need one
[07:46] <FTTP> by default
[07:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: but there are also no open ports
[07:46] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) cd ..
[07:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) by default
[07:46] <FTTP> gammaray oh so it has the equivalent of windows xp2 firewall?
[07:46] <FTTP> err i mean sp2
[07:46] <FTTP> can we open ports?
[07:47] <FTTP> i mean in gui
[07:47] <childe> Why not just call it "Human Linux"?
[07:47] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: not really.. it's not a firewall.. all the software has just been configured to not open ports on eth0
[07:47] <childe> And, at least put an official pronounceation on the official web page.
[07:48] <FTTP> gammaray:  Windows isnt really a firewall either in sp2
[07:48] <FTTP> it blocks ports unless u checkmark em to open em and u can manually add em
[07:48] <FTTP> gammaray  im sure that will be worked on :)
[07:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) there is no blocking involved.. the ports are not open in the first place
[07:49] <FTTP> just a barebones config like sp2
[07:49] <FTTP> gammaray oh
[07:49] <FTTP> gammaray so if i wanted to use those ports i would have to delve into text and configure it right?
[07:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ic you have to configure cups to listen to the net yourself
[07:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ie
[07:49] <FTTP> gotcha
[07:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) so yea
[07:50] <FTTP> it needs to be a little better in that regards
[07:50] <FTTP> u know ubuntu could make money by selling ad space on the apt-get servers
[07:50] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) actually.. thanks to ubuntu I finially got familar w/ cups config files
[07:51] <FTTP> theres gotta be a profit way for ubuntu and keep open source at the same time
[07:51] (jdub/#ubuntu) childe: because ubuntu is such a wonderful word :)
[07:51] <FTTP> ubuntu got 10 mil....... but it can easily be eaten up
[07:51] <FTTP> software should be free i agree
[07:51] <FTTP> but....... ubuntu needs to make money somehow :)
[07:51] <FTTP> to support it
[07:52] <childe> jdub: Yes it's cool. Usually I just call it "UB".
[07:52] <childe> U B Linux.
[07:52] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I have been wondering about where Canonical is planning to moke money
[07:52] <FTTP> gammaray:  There are ways
[07:52] (jdub/#ubuntu) GammaRay: see the front page of the website :)
[07:52] <FTTP> google is free
[07:53] <FTTP> gammaray:  Not that i want ads in my linux tho :P
[07:53] <FTTP> gammaray:  so i dunno
[07:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: mandrake has ads during the install.. not a real big deal
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> I renamed my cat to ubu
[07:54] <childe> Will Ubuntu go to server market?
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> that how much I love ubu
[07:54] (jdub/#ubuntu) childe: ubuntu is not a desktop-only OS at all
[07:54] (jdub/#ubuntu) childe: it just happens to be a very good one :)
[07:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) jdub: paid support?
[07:54] (jdub/#ubuntu) GammaRay: yes
[07:55] <childe> "Ubuntu is a complete desktop Linux operating system," From the official site.
[07:55] <FTTP> jdub:  Its as stable as debian even in hoary.............
[07:55] <childe> Does that mean it's desktop-only?
[07:55] <FTTP> jdub:  i tried many distributions which would crash on me
[07:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) childe: not exclusively, not at all :)
[07:56] <FTTP> no stability issues, just cosmetic and some smaller scale issues..... needs polish, and a little work
[07:57] <FTTP> gammaray interesting
[07:57] <FTTP> i also find it interesting cannocal is based in isle of man
[07:57] <FTTP> tax haven :)
[07:58] <childe> I'm going to reboot and instlall Ubuntu. God bless me.
[07:58] <volvoguy> bless you childe
[07:59] <FTTP> "By locating websites in the Isle of Man to carry out functions previously based in high-tax jurisdictions such as sales and marketing, treasury management, supply of financial services, and most of all, the supply of digital goods such as music, video, training, software etc, businesses can take advantage of low rates of taxation for increasingly substantial parts of their operation."
[07:59] <FTTP> digital good <hint hint>  ubuntu!
[08:00] <FTTP> oh it said software specifically
[08:00] <FTTP> heh
[08:00] <volvoguy> man, i should move there.
[08:00] <FTTP> taxes are irrelevant if you dont make money tho
[08:00] <volvoguy> oh. crap. nevermind then.
[08:00] <FTTP> heh
[08:02] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: I love the word based
[08:03] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) they arn't located there, they are based there
[08:03] <FTTP> gammaray right
[08:04] <FTTP> gammaray it seems as though the government gives alot of perks, so shuttleworth maxed out his 10 mil investment
[08:04] <FTTP> smart move cause he will get the most out of it
[08:04] <FTTP> good for us :)
[08:04] <FTTP> free DSL connections, blah blah
[08:05] <FTTP> im reading about all the incentives to get business there
[08:05] <FTTP> 40% building grants
[08:05] <FTTP> sounds really good place to start a business like this
[08:08] <Mestapheles> does nayone know the lackage name to uninstall the gnome scree saver?  I'm going back in the undo as it causes system freezes.
[08:09] <moon> Sorry, sudo must be setuid root: FIX:  There was a problem with my options for / in the /etc/fstab entry. Setting it to defaults seems to have fixed the problem. In case anyone is asked again.
[08:14] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) well I've looked at the source of pmount and it's simple enough to change the options..
[08:30] <cerebrix> how do i check to see if the module i just modprobed is loaded?  i think i just loaded the module for my soundcard but im not sure
[08:30] <Mestapheles> lsmod
[08:31] <Mestapheles> at least I can try to help if I'm not to recieve any
[08:32] <cerebrix> hmm i see it there, shouldnt i be able to run alsamixer now?
[08:32] <Mestapheles> that'l bring a list of modules, find yours and look at the right to see if "any processes have it running".  "0" is not good
[08:32] <cerebrix> snd_ice1724            37444  0
[08:33] <Mestapheles> I don't think it's loaded.
[08:33] <Mestapheles> did you "sudo update-modules"?
[08:33] <cerebrix> no should i?
[08:33] <Mestapheles> after the modprobe
[08:33] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) huh
[08:33] <Mestapheles> yes
[08:33] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) if it's listed in lsmod, then yes, it's loaded
[08:34] <cerebrix> http://www.pastebin.com/121346
[08:35] <Mestapheles> perhaps but glxgears don't show Accel for my r128 if it doesn't show a 1 or 2.  In fact, yes, I've seen it listed in lsmod and had not Accel
[08:36] (trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: as it says, that shows whats using that module... just means you were missing something else...
[08:37] <Mestapheles> isn't that the point of his question?
[08:37] <cerebrix> i just wanna play a cd =p
[08:38] <Mestapheles> not only is he intersted in if it is loaded but if it is performing and/or going to perform.
[08:38] <cerebrix> so assuming i just did the modprobe
[08:38] <punkass> anyone using ubuntu as a server?
[08:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) yes
[08:38] <cerebrix> which i did with sudo /sbin/modprobe snd_ice1724
[08:38] <punkass> is there an easy way to install it minus X etc
[08:38] <cerebrix> what would the next step be?
[08:38] (trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: saying ' "0" is bad' is very misleading...
[08:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: stick in the install cd, type 'custom' at the boot prompt
[08:38] <Mestapheles> was for me
[08:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: that'll install base only
[08:39] <punkass> jdub: excellent thanks
[08:39] (trey`/#ubuntu) jdub: now ya tell me  8)
[08:39] <Mestapheles> perhaps I should have written "can be bad but not necessarily"
[08:39] <[Siff] > who wants to help me set my default run level so i will boot to a vga console and not boot directly into X?
[08:40] (erik/#ubuntu) anyone use ubuntu's emacs21 with pcvs?  It seems to not work right when you commit a change ... it writes messages to the wrong place on the screen and sets the source buffers to "changed on disk" when it updates the $Id$
[08:40] (jdub/#ubuntu) [Siff] : apt-get remove --purge gdm
[08:40] <punkass> jdub: i may be setting up ubuntu using ltsp sometime soon aswell
[08:40] <cerebrix> ok just did sudo update-modules
[08:40] <cerebrix> next thing i should do is?
[08:40] (trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: its never bad... not having whatever is using your r128 module loaded is however bad for you...
[08:40] <[Siff] > i should assert that i only want to do it temporarily, sorry
[08:41] <punkass> should make for an interesting project
[08:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) [Siff] : remove the symlink *gdm from /etc/rcS.d/
[08:41] <Mestapheles> but while we're being pedantic trey, why tell me what package I need to name to uninstall screen savers as they buggy and cause system freezes on my mac
[08:41] <Chibi> You can re-install gdm when you're done. :P
[08:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: let me know how it goes
[08:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) [Siff] : then don't use --purge ;)
[08:41] (trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: dpkg -P xscreensaver
[08:41] <Mestapheles> thanks
[08:41] <punkass> jdub: will do...i have fc2 running it right now..and would like to be rid of it
[08:42] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) [Siff] : sorry.. it's in /etc/rc2.d/
[08:42] (trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: -P == --purge...
[08:43] <Mestapheles> k I'll have to submit a bug report.  Man having to hard reboot drives me nuts
[08:43] <cerebrix> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[08:44] <Mestapheles> and yes it's "re-doable"
[08:44] (trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: Thanks, it is kinda cold in here  8)
[08:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) [Siff] : you can then restore it w/ update-rc.d gdm defaults
[08:46] <punkass> cerebrix: u running on a laptop?
[08:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) boy I wish update-rc.d was as nice as chkconfig
[08:46] <cerebrix> no its an amd64 desktop 686 kernel
[08:46] <punkass> hmm ok
[08:47] (trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: chkconfig would be overkill for a debian system... try rcconf though...
[08:47] <Mestapheles> oh and trey' when I finally got those other things working the module did have register a diff number.  But I'll read into what that means.  Thanks for the info.
[08:47] <cerebrix> im really new to linux and have really used a command line based os in line 10 years so im a bit lost heh
[08:47] (jdub/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: probably worth just removing the xscreensaver-gl package and rss-glx
[08:47] (jdub/#ubuntu) boh
[08:47] <cerebrix> havent used a command line os in 10 years i mean
[08:49] (trey`/#ubuntu) cerebrix: makes so many things so much easier when you don't have to click 20 times to do what you wanted...
[08:49] (trey`/#ubuntu) cerebrix: half the time, I forget around the 10th click  :(
[08:49] <cerebrix> trey': its funny, i was telling my friend yesterday i think using windows made me stupid.  its like minesweeper on a much larger scale
[08:53] <cerebrix> oh btw is it a good idea to update off of the universe config in synaptic?  i noticed in the scope of the faq that it says to update before doing that.  just wondering if that will break anything
[08:57] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) cerebrix: what do you mean? "Update off the universe config" ?
[08:57] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) cerebrix: update just refreshes the package list, upgrade upgrades them afterwards
[08:57] <cerebrix> ahh then is it ok to download all upgrades for what i already have from the universe repository?
[08:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) of course
[08:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) cerebrix: do you still have warty?
[08:58] <punkass> is there a way for hotplug to detect if a nic cable is plugged in or removed?
[08:58] (jdub/#ubuntu) cerebrix: if you're using warty, there's no overlap between main and universe/multiverse
[08:58] <cerebrix> ok just checking, heh 9 days using linux and this is the farthest ive gotten to having a stable install so i dont wanna mess it up heh
[08:58] <punkass> or does it already do that and thats just a silly question
[08:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: not yet
[08:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: hotplug doesn't do that, other tools do
[08:59] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: people are working on a program that does that
[08:59] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) I wouldn't want anything to happen if I unplug my cable *pokes shoddy cable at home*
[08:59] <punkass> hmm..ok cuz i noticed that /var/log/messages(i think thats the one) shows an event
[09:00] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: there are programs that use those events -- and they'll probably ready for hoary
[09:00] <punkass> well i just would be nice say if a user had a laptop, and could just grap a nic cable and jam it in...
[09:00] <punkass> cool
[09:00] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: google for 'networkmanager ubuntu'
[09:02] <deFrysk> why does btdownloadgui use so much cpu (like 80%)
[09:03] (erik/#ubuntu) because it is garbage?  just use btdownloadheadless in screen :)
[09:03] <calc> use the curses one :)
[09:03] (erik/#ubuntu) I find the curses one crashes
[09:03] <calc> or headless i guess
[09:03] (erik/#ubuntu) in screen
[09:03] <deFrysk> thats not an answer
[09:04] <calc> erik: usually works for me, never seen it crash at least
[09:04] (erik/#ubuntu) deFrysk: probably "because it updates its gui in a wasteful manner"
[09:04] (erik/#ubuntu) calc: maybe it was just the one old version I used
[09:04] <calc> deFrysk: never used the gui one since it wouldn't run in screen
[09:04] <punkass> Treenaks: so there already is a package for it eh..or the source at least
[09:04] <calc> i stick to apps that run in screen :)
[09:04] (erik/#ubuntu) I was raped .. by Mr. Mesphistopheles
[09:04] <calc> mutt/vim/irssi/btdownloadcurses, etc
[09:05] <deFrysk> calc, smae me keing in the settings , like max_uploadblah and minportblah
[09:05] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: there are packages, hey don't work very well yet though
[09:05] <deFrysk> saves me
[09:05] <punkass> i use azureus for bt's
[09:05] <punkass> ah ok
[09:05] (erik/#ubuntu) I need BT clients that run on disconnected-from-my-input machines
[09:05] (erik/#ubuntu) cause you know
[09:05] (erik/#ubuntu) I'm not gonna sit there and watch it
[09:05] (erik/#ubuntu) :p
[09:05] <deFrysk> azereus needs the latest jave wich crashes my browser
[09:05] <Mesphistopheles> hwy Trey': xscreensaver and xscreensaver-gl both have ubuntu-desktop as deps.  So how am I supposed to get rid of the buggy screensaver?
[09:06] (erik/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: you can remove ubuntu-desktop with no ill side-effects, it's just a metapackage
[09:06] <Mesphistopheles> I can't even select to turn it off in gui or else it freezes
[09:06] <deFrysk> ubuntu-desktop is a meta package name
[09:06] <deFrysk> can be removed safely
[09:06] (jdub/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: leave xscreensaver
[09:06] (jdub/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: remove xscreensaver-gl and rss-glx
[09:06] <Mesphistopheles> but won't that leave me w/o a desktop enviro?
[09:07] (jdub/#ubuntu) no
[09:07] (jdub/#ubuntu) ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage
[09:07] <Mesphistopheles> cool
[09:07] (jdub/#ubuntu) it doesn't actually do anything
[09:07] (erik/#ubuntu) it exists only to force other packages to install
[09:07] <Mesphistopheles> oh you mean a ...
[09:07] <Mesphistopheles> place holder
[09:08] (erik/#ubuntu) go take a look at its dependencies
[09:08] <Mesphistopheles> I don't know what rss-glx is off to synaptic to find out
[09:08] (jdub/#ubuntu) more gl screensavers
[09:08] <punkass> jdub: is there a way to tell if my order of cds have been shipped?
[09:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) gl screensavers rock :)
[09:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) especially the bouncing cow ;)
[09:09] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: log in to shipit
[09:09] (erik/#ubuntu) heh
[09:09] <punkass> yeah i did but it just looked the same
[09:09] <mojo> Treenaks: can u pls tell me the website for j2sdk1.5 debian?
[09:09] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[09:09] <Mesphistopheles> yah they freeze my gui, that's how they rock
[09:09] <punkass> just curious..cuz it said orders before nov12 were sent and mine was placed a few weeks ago
[09:10] <mojo> Treenaks: thx, you rock
[09:11] <Gnobody> how do I get the gnome services panel back in hoary?
[09:11] (erik/#ubuntu) services?
[09:11] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: services panel? what do you mean?
[09:12] <Gnobody> it was a gui tool that allowed me to choose which services linux would start up with
[09:12] <Gnobody> ?
[09:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: type man update-rc.d in a terminal
[09:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: or just remove the service using dpkg --purge
[09:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: but that'll remove it completely
[09:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: and you really want most daemons that start on boot
[09:13] <punkass> jdub: is there someone i can mail to make sure my order wasnt missed  or something?
[09:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: log into the shipit thing -- you'll see if it has been shipped
[09:14] <punkass> no it hasnt..but i had ordered them like 3 weeks ago..and it said that orders before nov12 were shipped
[09:14] <punkass> so i just wanted to double check
[09:14] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: well, it might come in the next batch or something?
[09:14] <[Siff] > [noob] how do i install kernel sources?[/noob]
[09:14] <punkass> ok..ill be patient..:)
[09:16] <Mesphistopheles> thanks guys
[09:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: have you logged in to shipit?
[09:16] <punkass> yeah i just did
[09:16] <punkass> and it looks the same as when i orginally ordered them
[09:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: did it say "order shipped on ..." ?
[09:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) there should be a little box at the top
[09:17] (erik/#ubuntu) where's the option for emacs-style keybindings in GTK?
[09:17] <punkass> jdub: nope all i see is: Please review and update the following information and then logout when finished. etc
[09:17] (jdub/#ubuntu) erik: not visible in the ui
[09:17] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: when did you order them?
[09:17] (erik/#ubuntu) jdub: O_o I could have sworn I saw it before
[09:17] (erik/#ubuntu) time to dig in gconf I suppose
[09:17] <punkass> probably like 3 weeks ago
[09:17] (jdub/#ubuntu) erik: it was removed from 2.8
[09:17] (erik/#ubuntu) jdub: curses
[09:18] (erik/#ubuntu) jdub: is it a gconf thing? or .gtkrc?
[09:20] (jdub/#ubuntu) erik: it's in gconf
[09:20] <Gnobody> how do I enable composites in x.org 6.8.1
[09:20] <Gnobody> with render acceleration
[09:20] <Gnobody> and GLX
[09:20] <Gnobody> ?
[09:21] <Gnobody> what do I add to my xorg.conf
[09:21] <Gnobody> ?
[09:21] (crimsun/#ubuntu) http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/
[09:21] <punkass> jdub: shoSection "Extensions"
[09:21] <punkass>         Option        "Composite"        "Enable"
[09:21] <punkass> EndSection
[09:21] <punkass> oops
[09:22] <punkass> Gnobody: use that minus the "jdub: sho" part
[09:22] <Mesphistopheles> hey erik an jdub removing th -gl and the rss-glx seems to have solved it.  At lest so far as I'm in the screensaver app right no with no ill effects seeing he remainding screensavers.  How did u guys know those packages where problematic over the one still left?
[09:22] <Mesphistopheles> XFlame is coool
[09:22] <punkass> cuz they are extra smart
[09:22] (erik/#ubuntu) I didn't claim to know :)
[09:22] (jdub/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: they're gl screensavers. xscreensaver itself doesn't have gl screensavers.
[09:23] <punkass> jdub: so should i just assume all is well with the order and wait it out?
[09:23] <Mesphistopheles> an assumtion on my part as those two were mentioned.  WEll thanks to u too for telling me that ubuntu-desktop was just a place holder
[09:24] <Gnobody> what about render acceleration?
[09:24] <punkass> not sure..im not useing it
[09:24] <Gnobody> and enable glx with composites
[09:24] <Mesphistopheles> what's that jdub?
[09:24] <punkass> all i did was add that to my xorg.conf and install xcompmgr
[09:25] <punkass> and then i had fun shadows that made redrawing pretty slow so i turned it off..
[09:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: hey, sounds familiar ;)
[09:25] <punkass> yeah..will be cool when it gets there tho
[09:26] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) use xcompmgr without the shadows
[09:26] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) it will make redrawing faster than without it
[09:26] <punkass> lots to look forward to in upcoming releases
[09:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Agrajag: that breaks the panel's panelness for some reason
[09:26] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) Treenaks: just kill the panel
[09:26] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) it will start again
[09:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Agrajag: I can move windows over my panel if I have ever run xcompmgr
[09:26] <jose> HII
[09:26] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) and it will be a panel again
[09:26] <punkass> Agrajag: i tried that..it didnt seem to make it faster, just different..
[09:27] <punkass> yeah the windows over panel then is a bit annoying
[09:27] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) well, it's a matter of taste I guess
[09:27] <punkass> that it is
[09:29] <Meshistopheles> there r still probs houstin
[09:32] <nickolas> hi guys! who has ever installed bittorent in Ubuntu?
[09:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) nickolas: apt-get install bittornado -> done!
[09:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ;)
[09:33] <nickolas> ok i'll try it
[09:34] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) might want bittornado-gui also
[09:35] <nickolas> ok
[09:36] <nickolas> interesting...it tells me that it is installed...but how can  i run it...there is no link in the menu...
[09:37] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) open a torrent file
[09:37] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) in a web browser, or from the file manager
[09:37] <nickolas> ok
[09:40] <nickolas> it's working!!!!! thanks a lot for help!
[09:41] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) nickolas: good luck :)
[09:42] <nickolas> actually i have another question: i have mldonkey installed...so how do i use it instead of bt? what do u think?
[09:42] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) nickolas: open a donkey link?
[09:43] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) no idea
[09:43] <nickolas> mldonkey can also download torrent files... i mean it is more comfortable than bt
[09:44] <nickolas> does anybody use mldonkey?
[09:47] <dkg> hi!
[09:47] <dkg> I wanna use ION as windowmanager in Ubuntu.
[09:47] <dkg> which debian release should I use to mix?
[09:47] <dkg> unstable or testing?
[09:48] <dkg> or is there another/better solution?
[09:48] <nickolas> ok. thanks for helping with bt!!!
[09:49] <Gnobody> how do I enable composites in XFCE 4.2 RC1?
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) dkg: why would you mix a debian release?
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) ion is in ubuntu
[09:49] <dkg> Agrajag: because its not in ubuntu.
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) yes it is
[09:49] <dkg> Agrajag: I just apt-cache searched it.
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) ion3 - Keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) that one?
[09:49] <dkg> yes!
[09:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) dkg: did you add universe and multiverse to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) ion2 - Keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows (v2)
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) or that
[09:50] <dkg> Treenaks: whatas that?
[09:50] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) yeah, it's probably in universe
[09:50] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) dkg: open up /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:50] (stvn/#ubuntu) hm, bonobo has left the building :(
[09:50] <dkg> done.
[09:50] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) there are instructions
[09:50] <dkg> ic!
[09:50] <dkg> thanks.
[09:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) dkg: look for 'universe' on the web site
[09:50] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) you can also add multiverse in after universe for nonfree stuff
[09:52] <dkg> gr8!
[09:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) finally someone says something w/ the number eight in it that I can understand
[09:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) dkg: now which part of aol did you come from :-P
[09:57] <dkg> GammaRay: aol?
[09:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) http://www.google.com/search?q=aol
[10:08] <jmhodges> ok, i must be an idiot..
[10:09] <jmhodges> the fs on cd-rw's is iso9660 correct?
[10:10] <jmhodges> and secondly, for some reason my 2nd cd drive isn't getting inserted into Disks
[10:10] <jmhodges> but i can write to it fine (its a cd burner.. plextor )
[10:10] <jmhodges> and the cd's can be read in the other drive..
[10:11] <jmhodges> bah, ignore the fs question.. that was just a red herring
[10:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) sorry I don'
[10:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) sorry I don't like fish
[10:12] <jmhodges> the dir is also not being created in /media
[10:12] <jmhodges> GammaRay: hehe
[10:14] <maz1977> good morning
[10:14] <jmhodges> hrmph.. getting lots of fs errors about superblocks during an attempted mount in dmesg
[10:15] <jmhodges> cdrom: hdd: mrw address space DMA selected
[10:15] <jmhodges> Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
[10:15] <jmhodges> hmmm..
[10:15] <maz1977> i'd like to know how to change date format...
[10:16] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) on the panel? from the date cmd?
[10:16] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) maz1977: ^
[10:17] <maz1977> gammaray, which panel?
[10:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) maz1977: I'm just asking which date format you speak of
[10:18] <maz1977> gammaray: in italy we use dd/mm/yy date format not mm/dd/yy
[10:20] <maz1977> change question: how can I set my locale's date format?
[10:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) maz1977: LC_TIME maybe
[10:21] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: you want to set LANG to your locale
[10:21] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: and LC_MESSAGES to en_US or something if you want English language in programs
[10:21] <maz1977> Treenaks: already set to it_IT.UTF8
[10:21] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: what does 'locale' say?
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) does the locale exist? (/etc/locale.gen, locale-gen)
[10:22] <maz1977> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[10:22] <maz1977> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[10:22] <maz1977> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[10:22] <maz1977> LANG=it_IT.UTF8
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_CTYPE="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_NUMERIC="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_TIME="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_COLLATE="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_MONETARY="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_MESSAGES="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_PAPER="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_NAME="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_ADDRESS="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_TELEPHONE="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: please use pastebin.com
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_MEASUREMENT="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_IDENTIFICATION="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_ALL=
[10:23] <maz1977> sorry don't know pastebin.com.
[10:23] <mctavish> Hi all, I just downloaded my warty secururity fixes and dpkg encountered a problem with the config.
[10:23] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: what do you mean?
[10:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: www.pastebin.com
[10:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mctavish: what is the message?
[10:24] <mctavish> Setting up linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 (<IP_ADDRESS>-16.1) ...
[10:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) that's normal
[10:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mctavish: where do you see an error in that?
[10:25] <mctavish> hang on, theres more...
[10:25] <maz1977> treenaks: done
[10:25] <mctavish> ...   /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: device /dev/hdb2 is not a block device
[10:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mctavish: did you switch harddisks around?
[10:25] <mctavish> some background. I've moved my drives around since my install, and I'm using grub from another drive
[10:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ah that's the problem then
[10:26] <mctavish> I've got 4 os's
[10:26] <mctavish> how to reconfigure?
[10:27] <mctavish> I'm afraid if I reboot I won't see ubuntu again:)
[10:29] <mctavish> oops, this is the final message which scared me: Failed to create initrd image.
[10:29] <Chibi> Fail
[10:30] <Chibi> You won't make it back to ubuntu alive D:
[10:34] <mctavish> Mr Treenaks? Anyone?
[10:36] (Mayday/#ubuntu) is there known issues with macromedias flash player and hoary?
[10:37] <deFrysk> Mayday, not is you install flashplugin-nonfree
[10:37] <deFrysk> is = if
[10:38] (Mayday/#ubuntu) deFrysk: is that version 7 of it?
[10:38] <deFrysk> yes I believe so
[10:39] (Mayday/#ubuntu) ok, ill try it
[10:40] <deFrysk> nickolas, no privating please
[10:51] <Micksa> hey, where's the gnarly wave file that shows how to pronounce ubuntu?
[10:53] <mctavis1> If anyone is curious, I rebooted and everything is ok, I think I fixed it :)
[10:54] <Matt|> hi there. I'm trying to play real movies in firefox. Sometimes the site opens the totem player and it works, but with other sites it tries to play it within a browser window, and it doesn't work. How can I do this?
[10:55] <Tsjoklat> moz plugger
[10:55] <Tsjoklat> something
[10:55] <Matt|> Tsjoklat, i have that installed
[10:55] <Matt|> Tsjoklat, do i need to configure it further
[10:56] <Tsjoklat> I would look on the wiki page for restricted formats
[10:56] <Tsjoklat> it is mentioned there
[10:57] <Matt|> hmm i'll give it a try
[10:58] <Tsjoklat> sorry Matt| haven't tried it myself yet so I can't give you any solid advice
[10:58] <Matt|> np
[10:58] <Matt|> nothing in that wiki
[10:59] <Tsjoklat> a search on the forums perhaps?
[10:59] <Matt|> Tsjoklat, ok yeah
[11:00] <Tsjoklat> Matt| and no luch eh?
[11:03] <Adrenal> i just formatted some ntfs partition into ext3, but where...is it?
[11:04] <deFrysk> fdisk/ -p /dev/hda (or something) to locate it
[11:04] <deFrysk> fdisk -p /dev/hda
[11:05] <deFrysk> fdisk -l /dev/hda
[11:05] <deFrysk> sorry
[11:05] <Adrenal> ok, but how do i put files and stuff in there?
[11:06] (Kamion/#ubuntu) mount it somewhere
[11:06] <deFrysk> you have to set it up in fstab
[11:06] <Adrenal> how?
[11:06] <deFrysk> make a folder to mount it into
[11:06] <Adrenal> kk
[11:07] <deFrysk> try man fstab
[11:07] <Adrenal> command not found
[11:07] <Matt|> Adrenal, you must have the command "man"
[11:08] <Matt|> Adrenal, you can try and mount the disk without editing fstab if you want to do so
[11:08] <Adrenal> ok, how do i set it to open automatically at each boot?
[11:08] <Matt|> Adrenal, for that you have to edit fstab
[11:08] <Adrenal> ok
[11:08] <Adrenal> how do i get into it?
[11:08] <deFrysk> Adrenal, where is the partition located ?
[11:08] <Adrenal> on the same hdd
[11:08] <deFrysk> partition number ?
[11:09] <deFrysk> hda?
[11:09] <Adrenal> sda
[11:09] <deFrysk> sda?
[11:09] <Adrenal> hmm, one sec
[11:09] <deFrysk> sda[number]
[11:10] <Adrenal> 6
[11:11] <deFrysk> /dev/sda6              /mnt/sda6               ext3    user,umask=000  0 0
[11:11] <deFrysk> and make a folder /mnt/sda6
[11:11] <Adrenal> /dev/sda6 command not found
[11:11] <deFrysk> and it will automount in your desktop even ;)
[11:11] <deFrysk> erm
[11:11] <deFrysk> fstab
[11:12] <Adrenal> eh?
[11:12] <Adrenal> put that first?
[11:12] <deFrysk> nano -w /etc/fstab
[11:12] <deFrysk> sudo nano -w /etc/fstab
[11:12] <Adrenal> yeh
[11:12] <Adrenal> what of it?
[11:12] <deFrysk> add this line :
[11:12] <deFrysk> /dev/sda6              /mnt/sda6               ext3    user,umask=000  0 0
[11:12] <Adrenal> <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[11:12] <Adrenal> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[11:12] <Adrenal> /dev/sda6       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:12] <Adrenal> /dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:12] <Adrenal> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:12] <Adrenal> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[11:13] <deFrysk> geez
[11:13] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) someone needs to put "no flooding" back in the topic
[11:13] <deFrysk> something like that yeah
[11:13] <Adrenal> sorry, just seemed like the right thing to do
[11:13] <deFrysk> Adrenal, it never is
[11:14] <deFrysk> backup your fstab
[11:14] <Adrenal> how?
[11:14] <deFrysk> and replace the sda6 line with the line I gave
[11:14] <deFrysk> mv /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak
[11:14] <deFrysk> mv = cp , sorry
[11:14] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) wait what
[11:14] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) he's already got sda6 mounted at /
[11:15] <deFrysk> cp not mv
[11:15] <Adrenal> kk
[11:15] <deFrysk> Agrajag, oh my
[11:15] <Adrenal> cannot stat `/etc/fstab': No such file or directory
[11:16] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) mv /etc/fstab.bak /etc/fstab
[11:16] <deFrysk> yeah
[11:16] <Adrenal> mv or cp?
[11:16] <deFrysk> mv
[11:16] <deFrysk> mv = moving/renaming
[11:16] <Adrenal> kk, done
[11:16] <Adrenal> no what?
[11:16] <deFrysk> cp is copying
[11:16] <Adrenal> nothing came up
[11:16] <deFrysk> Adrenal, thast good
[11:17] <Adrenal> kk, so, what happened?
[11:17] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) you renamed your file system table, and I had you name it back
[11:17] <Adrenal> kk
[11:17] <deFrysk> now cp /etc/fstab etc/fstab.bak
[11:17] <deFrysk> then you have it backed up
[11:18] <Adrenal> cannot create regular file `etc/fstab.bak': No such file or directory
[11:18] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) /etc/fstab.bak
[11:18] <deFrysk> darn
[11:18] <deFrysk> I need coffee
[11:18] <Adrenal> hmm
[11:18] <deFrysk> Agrajag, thanks :)
[11:18] <Adrenal> could i just create it?
[11:18] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) you are creating it
[11:18] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak
[11:19] <Adrenal> evidently, i'm not
[11:19] <deFrysk> Agrajag, yes
[11:19] <deFrysk> Adrenal, do what he sayd
[11:19] <Adrenal> kk, this one worked
[11:19] <Adrenal> well, no errors
[11:19] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) now
[11:19] <Adrenal> so guessing it did
[11:19] <deFrysk> now replace the sda6 line
[11:19] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) sda6 is not your new partition, it's already mounted at /
[11:19] <Adrenal> kk
[11:19] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) no, don't replace that
[11:19] <deFrysk> its ok then
[11:20] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) because you won't be able to mount your root fs next time you boot if you replace that
[11:20] <Adrenal> yeh, thought hat
[11:20] <Adrenal> *that
[11:20] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) you need to find out what partition you just formatted, because it wasn't sda6
[11:20] <Adrenal> kk
[11:20] <Adrenal> back to windows then
[11:21] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) then you can add a new line
[11:21] <Adrenal> bbl
[11:21] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) why
[11:21] <Adrenal> wha
[11:21] <Adrenal> how do i do it in linux?
[11:21] <deFrysk> fdisk -l /dev/sda
[11:21] <deFrysk> see what you have
[11:22] <Adrenal> hmm
[11:22] <Adrenal> nothing i can decypher
[11:22] <deFrysk> use sudo
[11:22] <Adrenal> i did
[11:22] <deFrysk> paste it in #flood
[11:22] <Adrenal> but i cant make sense of it
[11:23] <deFrysk> /dev/sda6 is the only linuxpartition
[11:23] <Adrenal> hmm
[11:23] <deFrysk> did you format a scsi disk ?
[11:23] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) wait
[11:23] <Adrenal> i think i did something wrong then
[11:24] <Adrenal> i'll go back to partition magic, bbl, thanks
[11:24] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) did you actually change the partition type and make a filesystem?
[11:24] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) sigh
[11:24] <deFrysk> geez he's gone
[11:24] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) I give up trying to help
[11:24] <deFrysk> poor man has no clue
[11:24] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) I'M JUST GONNA GO DO SOMETHING IN WINDOWS INSTEAD OF SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK
[11:24] <deFrysk> :DDDD
[11:25] <deFrysk> a Bill brainwash
[11:25] <deFrysk> I need coffee (deja vu)
[11:26] <spiritz> quit
[11:33] <cerebrix> ok so i got the sound driver my soundcard uses loaded but i still have no sound and opening volume control kicks back alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:33] <cerebrix> any ideas?
[11:35] <spiritz> nope sorry dude
[11:41] <scoon> morning all
[11:41] <cerebrix> hola and stuff
[11:41] <scoon> does anyone know how i could use a src package and have it not be upgraded to the binary ?
[11:42] <cerebrix> i dont scoon, maybe someone else does?
[11:43] <scoon> thx
[11:48] <deFrysk> --target=blah ?
[11:48] <cerebrix> someting like that heh
[11:49] <deFrysk> yeah
[11:49] <cerebrix> im pretending to listen to my mp3 cd's lol
[11:49] <cerebrix> not nearly as entertaining as the real thing lol
[11:50] <deFrysk> lossless
[11:50] <Chibi> Heh. Lossless audio is only good for synth music.
[11:51] <deFrysk> lossess is also good for making a copy cd
[11:51] <cerebrix> hey where is the modprobe.conf in ubuntu?
[11:51] <scoon> deFrysk: was that meant for me ?
[11:51] <Chibi> You seriously can't tell the diffrence between 320kbps ogg/mp3 versus a flac or CD unless there's a sinewave of some sort.
[11:51] <deFrysk> scoon, what was ?
[11:51] <scoon> --target=blah ?
[11:52] <deFrysk> yeah
[11:53] <scoon> deFrysk: doesn't work.  I want to compile rhythmbox from ubuntu and when i do and then run apt-update, apt wants to install the binary version ?
[11:53] <deFrysk> ?
[11:53] <deFrysk> apt-get source -b so install it from source
[11:54] <potato> I found biggest difference in hit hats & such
[11:54] <scoon> deFrysk: yes it does.  but then apt wants to "upgrade" to the binary version.
[11:54] <potato> you can often tell in percussion intensive music
[11:54] <potato> hi hats ^
[11:54] <deFrysk> scoon, so ?
[11:55] <potato> <- is happy on ogg -q6 though
[11:55] <deFrysk> scoon, why compile it anyway ?
[11:55] <scoon> deFrysk: the binary version does not work as well as when I compile my own binary. the music does not skip everytime i open something
[11:55] <deFrysk> scoon why not make your own .deb and install that one
[11:56] <scoon> deFrysk: why should I?  If ubuntu has the src repos, why can't I just use them.
[11:56] <warty> hi everybody
[11:56] (Kamion/#ubuntu) deFrysk: bump the version in debian/changelog a bit
[11:56] (Kamion/#ubuntu) oops
[11:56] (Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: bump the version in debian/changelog a bit
[11:56] <deFrysk> Kamion, yeah
[11:57] <deFrysk> good idia
[11:57] <deFrysk> put .1 behind the version
[11:57] <cerebrix> is modules.conf the same thing as modules.conf?  im trying to add something my friend sent me the other day to it to see if it makes my soundcard work
[11:57] <cerebrix> i mean is it the same thing as modprobe.conf
[11:57] <cerebrix> sorry
[11:57] (Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: apt tries to get your system in sync with the repository you're upgrading from; if md5sum/size of a local package differ and the version's the same then it'll assume something's screwy and "upgrade" it; the usual fix is to bump the version by adding .0.0.1 to the end or something like that
[11:58] (Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: exact answer depends on whether you want to keep your locally installed version forever ignoring e.g. security updates in the repository or whether you want to get the upgrade ...
[11:59] <scoon> Kamion: I understand that I can pin a version to use.  which would be fine, but the src version is identical to the binary version.
[11:59] <scoon> Kamion: to change the version, should i do that in the .dsc file and then rename the .deb to match ?
[12:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) no no, edit debian/changelog before you build
[12:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) you *can* do it by picking apart the .deb but I wouldn't recommend it if you don't know the format well
[12:03] <deFrysk> donald fagen on flac defenetly sounds better then ogg/mp3
[12:03] <deFrysk> ;p
[12:05] <scoon> Kamion: edit the .changes file that gets created ?
[12:08] (Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: if you've edited debian/changelog correctly there should be no need to edit *any* of the generated files
[12:08] <scoon> Kamion: ok, i think that is my question, what/where is the debian/changelog
[12:08] (Kamion/#ubuntu) in the source package
[12:09] (Kamion/#ubuntu) you're unpacking and building the source package, right?
[12:09] (Kamion/#ubuntu) apt-get source foo, cd foo-<whatever>, vi debian/changelog, dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us
[12:09] (Kamion/#ubuntu) (er, -rfakeroot too on the end, install fakeroot package)
[12:12] <Chibi> http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill/index.htm
[12:16] <scoon> Kamion: what am i changing in the change log ?
[12:17] (Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: add a new entry to the top in the same format as the previous ones, but with ".0.0.1" added to the version number
[12:20] <ztonzy> hi
[12:20] <potato> hello
[12:20] <ztonzy> anyone here using Firestarter ?
[12:21] <potato> not me
[12:21] <potato> I'm just a lazy bum using a hardware firewall
[12:21] <scoon> ztonzy: shorewall
[12:21] <ztonzy> hmm, cause when running it it ask for root password...typing it it gives me error....
[12:22] (Kamion/#ubuntu) try 'sudo firestarter'
[12:22] <ztonzy> root is not used in ubuntu more than as 'sudo'  but sudo also means typing the user password (admin, me, only one user at my system))
[12:22] <ztonzy> Kamion, from terminal works, but not from menu :-\
[12:22] <ztonzy> stupid
[12:23] <ztonzy> heh
[12:24] <Chibi> ztonzy - gksudo if you want to make a menu entry.
[12:24] <ztonzy> Chibi, ok
[12:24] <Chibi> gksudo brings up the gtk password entry dialog.
[12:24] <ztonzy> but...in preference settings in the appmenu ?
[12:25] <ztonzy> it showed 'gksu'  only here
[12:25] <ztonzy> I added '...do'
[12:25] <ztonzy> worked :)
[12:25] <ztonzy> thanks :D
[12:27] <cerebrix> > ls -l /dev/snd
[12:27] <eim> I'm yet experiencing troubles with my iBook G3 and the suspend mode with pbbuttonsd. Anyone solved?
[12:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu) ztonzy: yeah, universe package therefore not necessarily synced with the way the main Ubuntu distribution does things
[12:28] <ztonzy> Kamion, okey ...
[12:29] <ztonzy> still does ubuntu works better for me than "sarge" did :)
[12:30] <scoon> Kamion: that worked, thx
[12:31] <___jul> hi
[12:40] <___jul> how can i get the source of my kernel (<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386) ? thks
[12:56] (sabdfl/#ubuntu) ___jul: linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> package
[12:56] <flam> hey.
[12:56] <bohrbug> I have serious problems using cdrecord on Ubuntu. I get buffer underrun all the time
[12:56] <bohrbug> Nautilus cd-burner works perfectly
[12:56] <bohrbug> As root, cdrecord works
[12:56] <___jul> where is the kernel_src_dir in ubuntu ?
[12:57] <dalderman> hey guys
[12:58] <emo> hi all, is this channel suitable for not very experienced with debian or ubuntu? i have a problem but I can explain it from too high level
[12:58] <dalderman> I need to boot my Ubuntu box with a 2.4 kernel, has anyone done this before?
[12:59] <dalderman> I tried installing 2.4 and booting into it but it all fell apart, is this likely to work if I fiddle with things like ethernet modules etc?
[01:01] <emo> my wireless usb mouse works properly on the live ubuntu cd, but with warty doesnt
[01:02] <emo> even if it is plugged during boot, the whole system freezes
[01:03] <dalderman> emo, I had problems with usb mouse during install, I put a ps/2 adaptor on it and then changed it after the installer had run
[01:04] <emo> hm, a kind of problem is that my laptop doesnt have any ps2 port :)
[01:04] <dalderman> oh...
[01:05] <emo> anyway on the live cd works, which is morphix.. obviously i have to compare the configs and try to play
[01:06] <flam> does any one know why i can't use wlan and lan at the same time and how to fix it?
[01:06] <emo> with lsmod i can see that the usbmouse module is loaded though
[01:07] <emo> configure wlan with iwconfig, the lat with ifconfig and put make the routing how it is suitable for you.. it souldnt be a problem..
[01:10] <flam> emo, the wlan must be configured with ifconfig as well, mustn't it?
[01:11] <emo> well, it should be possible, but if you have the wlan-tools installed iwconfig is quite a reasonable option.. anyway in ubuntu everything could be done with ui, and works quite well, really not sure what stands behind it
[01:11] <Scognito> hi
[01:12] <nevyn> hi
[01:12] <flam> i've tried to configurate everything with ui.. doesn't work anyway..
[01:12] <emo> but having two configured interfaces makes a good routing a must
[01:12] <flam> probably something wrong with my routing then..
[01:13] <emo> well, if you are using only wlan or only lan, does it work?
[01:13] <flam> yes
[01:13] <emo> hm..
[01:13] <flam> an option would be to only use one.. and change between them manualy..
[01:14] <emo> and in case you have two configured interfaces, can you reach other machines in the networks?
[01:14] <emo> or it is only a problem of access to internet, then you have to check the default gw
[01:15] <flam> when both is configurated and running, i only reach machines connected to the interface that was enabled first.
[01:16] <emo> then look if the wlan iface and the lan have the same netmask.. if they are in the same network, then the first registered entry in the routing table is effective
[01:17] <flam> yeah, i use <IP_ADDRESS> for both of them. shouldn't I?
[01:17] <emo> is not a problem if they are in different networks
[01:18] <flam> they're not on the same network now..
[01:18] <Scognito> i got this error "Bad alpha format .7" when i launch gdm theme different than the ones from default in ubuntu
[01:18] <emo> in case they are in the same net, then the first is count
[01:18] <Scognito> any hint?
[01:19] <Scognito> th error is "bad alpha specifier format .7"
[01:19] <flam> hm, strange. they're not on the same network.. but they will be eventually.
[01:21] <Deviled> hm, i've a problem...just upgraded to hoary this night..and xorg dont render the pictures..i mean, i cant see the content when i scroll..etc
[01:23] <Deviled> is there a possibility to downgrade to warty?
[01:23] <_MacGyver_> hello
[01:23] <Deviled> hi mac
[01:30] <flam> emo, it's supposed to be something like this: if the first iface cant reach a host, linux tries with the other iface.. am i right?
[01:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) flam: not really
[01:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) flam: that depends on a few things:
[01:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) - Is the sender bound to a specific interface or not
[01:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) - The routing table
[01:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) it's not re-sent over another link on ICMP unreachable afaik
[01:32] <flam> ok...
[01:32] <flam> my AP (<IP_ADDRESS>) can't be reach with: ping <IP_ADDRESS> -I eth1
[01:33] <flam> eth1 i my wlan..
[01:33] <flam> eth0 have the first entry in the routing table tho.
[01:40] <eim> What about running cdrecord as user, should this user be in a special group like kmen, etc? Thanks.
[01:40] (mjr/#ubuntu) nah, access to the cd device should be afaik sufficient
[01:41] <lupus_> http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/projects/misc/sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[01:41] (mjr/#ubuntu) not having soft real-time scheduling and memory locking access might make writing more error-prone, but it is my understanding that modern burn-free drives wouldn't' really be too picky about that
[01:41] <lupus_> found this :)
[01:42] <netmonk> Can anyone help me with cd burning? I burn cd's fine with nautilus, but all the files I burn becom with owner root and are invisible when I insert the cd. Any ideas how to change this???
[01:43] (mjr/#ubuntu) they're pretty much supposed to be owner root, but how "invisible"?
[01:44] <eim> mjr: Fine, thanks.
[01:44] <ermo> mjr, q: what's difference between ubuntu and userlinux? Are they one and the same or just 'twins' in spirit?
[01:44] (mjr/#ubuntu) ermo, not the same
[01:44] <netmonk> mjr, why are they supposed to be owner root since I'm not recording them as root, and yes, they are invisible when I opne them in gnomel.
[01:45] (mjr/#ubuntu) different projects, but the goals seem to be similar at least partly
[01:45] (mjr/#ubuntu) netmonk, because if they'd be owner you, and if you move the CD to some other computer, they'd be owned by a random user
[01:46] (mjr/#ubuntu) and in what way "invisible"?
[01:46] <ermo> mjr, also: at some point there was a 'debian desktop project'. Has ubuntu taken that torch officially, or is it just a (high quality) debian-based implementation coincidentally having the same goal?
[01:46] (mjr/#ubuntu) ermo, Ubuntu seems to do a bit more customizing, Userlinux is more branding of a set of Debian packages
[01:46] (mjr/#ubuntu) don't know about that
[01:46] <ermo> mjr, thx. Just curious ;)
[01:47] <netmonk> mjr, open the cd and it show no files at all. If i cd to the cdrom in the terminal I can see the files after ls -l
[01:47] (mjr/#ubuntu) netmonk, does this happen with other cds also?
[01:47] <skar> is there any skype like voice chat utility in the debs?
[01:48] (mjr/#ubuntu) 'cause it really shouldn't do that :)
[01:48] <netmonk> mjr, no, only the ones I record myself
[01:48] (mjr/#ubuntu) netmonk, even after you take them out and reinsert later?
[01:51] <eim> mjr: When I want to burn via the ATAPI interface I need to launch sudo cdrecord ... as user. Just cdrecord with user perms returns errors.
[01:51] <netmonk> mjr, yes. I burned a cd for a friend of mine. last night she couldn't open an openoffice file, so I took the cd to get the file and save it another format. When I inserted the cd, the cd folders pops up, but it's empty. I tryed it few times, checked the hiden files option - no help. Only whyen I cd to the cdrom in the shell I was able to copy the file, and then had to change the permissions because it wouldn't let me change it
[01:52] (mjr/#ubuntu) netmonk, well, I pretty much can't help you with that then, except to say to please report a bug on the Ubuntu bugzilla
[01:53] (mjr/#ubuntu) eim, and the user has read/write permissions to the cdrom device node?
[01:53] <netmonk> oki, mjr. 10x. I try first to ask since I don't want to file bugs that are result of me not doing something right ;)
[01:54] <eim> mjr: /dev/hdb (cdrom) has 0664 for group cdrom. User is in group cdrom so everything should be ok.
[01:55] (mjr/#ubuntu) eim, ok, well then, to my knowledge everything should be fine, but apparently my knowledge is outdated
[01:55] <eim> mjr: It's quite strange. I never had troubles on my previuous Debian unstable system.
[01:55] (mjr/#ubuntu) I'll admit that I might have not CDs since the last burning interface overhaul, preferring DVDs :)
[01:55] (mjr/#ubuntu) +burned
[01:56] (mjr/#ubuntu) eim, as I understand, there's been some changes in the interface relatively recently, but I haven't followed the details so much
[01:58] <eim> mjr: found: When i use the ATAPI cdrecord driver I need to specify the drive via ATAPI:/dev/cdrom and not ATAPI:0,1,0 -- This anyway prints out a warning message but seems to work for users.
[01:58] (mjr/#ubuntu) ahh, I see
[01:59] (mjr/#ubuntu) yes, the device node is the right way to do it really
[01:59] (mjr/#ubuntu) I just assumed that you were doing that since you mentioned using the ATAPI interface
[01:59] <eim> mjr: Yes, but it has troubles with perms on /dev/hdb then.
[02:00] (mjr/#ubuntu) (and never mind those warnings, that's just Joerg Schilling being an ass :)
[02:00] <eim> mjr: Ehm, sorry. You mean /dev/foo with device node?
[02:00] (mjr/#ubuntu) yes
[02:00] <eim> mjr: Ok, fine then.
[02:03] <xukun> #nicksetup
[02:07] <z0mbix> anyone here use ppc?
[02:08] <nevyn> hrm
[02:21] <abstractone> anybody tried to run skype on ubuntu ?
[02:24] <__daniel> hai
[02:24] <abstractone> hi
[02:26] <lupus_> is there a package for gmane?
[02:31] <gorlist> how do you run ubuntu with kde?
[02:31] <gorlist> i don't want gnome
[02:32] <z0mbix> apt-get install suse ;)
[02:32] <seek187> lol
[02:32] (jordi/#ubuntu) gorlist: you... get mandrake :)
[02:32] <z0mbix> it must be in universe
[02:33] <aaroncuk> hi guys.. i have added a link to mpd in /etc/rc2.d  by typing ln -s /etc/init.d/mpd S99mpd  but its not loading on boot.. any ideaa?
[02:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: mpd?
[02:34] <aaroncuk> yeah - music player daemon
[02:36] <aaroncuk> is there anyway to check that it has been setup correctly
[02:36] <z0mbix> aaroncuk, update-rc.d
[02:37] <pab89> Grub won't boot my Windows system after installing Ubuntu, any ideas?
[02:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) pab89: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/ ?
[02:38] <pab89> I've read that, it doesn't give any clues as to how to fix it
[02:39] <z0mbix> any errors?
[02:39] <aaroncuk> i have deleted the link, gonna redoit
[02:39] <z0mbix> yeah, update-rc.d is the way to get ti right
[02:40] <aaroncuk> ln -s /etc/init.d/mpd s99mpd  been to told to run that, should the s on s99 be upper case
[02:41] <__daniel> pab89: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1532
[02:41] <z0mbix> yes, upper
[02:41] <pab89> any way I can edit the grub config file to fix it or is my windows partition destroyed?
[02:41] <z0mbix> update-rc.d does all that for you and more
[02:42] <aaroncuk> lets reboot and see lol
[02:42] <z0mbix> pab89: do u get any error when it doesn't boot windows?
[02:43] <pab89> z0mbix: I'll reboot and write it down
[02:43] <z0mbix> k
[02:44] <aaroncuk> that worked zomb, thanks
[02:46] <aaroncuk> onto my next problem lol. ubuntu is showing my 160gb hard drive as 137gb.. even taking into account the whole 1024 thing, it should be at least 152
[02:47] <aaroncuk> someone sais there was a way to fix this in the kernel
[02:47] <pab89> ok, I get the following error booting XP
[02:48] <pab89> root (hd0,0)
[02:48] <pab89> Filesystem type unknown, Partition type 0x7
[02:48] <__daniel> pab89: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1532
[02:49] <pab89> that looks promising, brb
[02:49] <z0mbix> aaroncuk: cool :)
[02:55] <pab89> from what I've looked up it's often related to the 2.6 kernel, do you think if I pulled out my suse 9.0 discs (kernel 2.4) it might fix the problem?
[02:55] <aaroncuk> just need to reclain the rest of my hard drive lol
[02:55] <__daniel> pab89: what are you going to do? install suse again?!
[02:57] <pab89> nonono, right, I just installed Ubuntu to find that I can't boot the windows XP partition, I also have suse 9 (kernel 2.4) discs. While reading some of the articles I read that it was more a bug with the 2.6 kernel so I was wondering if that would solve anything
[02:59] <aaroncuk> hmm i have an x in the middle of my screen, any ideas? lol
[02:59] <rapha> Hi all!
[02:59] <rapha> aaroncuk: Oh, my girlfriend has the same problem. It goes away when you move a window over it. But now idea how to permantently get rid of it :-/
[02:59] <__daniel> pab89: dont think so :-(
[03:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) pab89: try http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/, see if that's useful
[03:00] <pab89> hmmmm, well I'm reading that now, it looks a bit daunting but I've got no other options
[03:02] <pab89> it says the solution is this line: sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk --no-reread -H255 /dev/hda
[03:02] <pab89> but do I need to input variables or does it work "as-is"
[03:02] <aaroncuk> its something to do with x server config
[03:10] <pab89> I'm still not sure how to perform the commands in that article
[03:17] <pab89> :'(
[03:18] <Fwiffo_> pab89: A friend of mine encountered what seems to be the same problem you have, he fixed it by changinging from CHS to LBA in the BIOS
[03:19] <pab89> chs to lba...ok, thanks
[03:19] <pab89> If I don't come back it hasn't worked, lol
[03:19] <Fwiffo_> :o)
[03:26] <martin1> hi
[03:26] <martin1> I have a problem setting up my network with ubuntu
[03:27] <martin1> I managed to get my Netgear MA111 wlan usb thingie working with linux-wlan-ng
[03:27] <pab89> got XP and Ubuntu working together now
[03:27] <pab89> thnx
[03:27] <Fwiffo_> super!
[03:27] <martin1> I can ping all computers including my hardware router on that network
[03:27] <martin1> but when I try to add a default route to my router it says "network unreachable
[03:28] <martin1> even though I can ping that host and it's only one hop away and I've got a route to <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> via wlan0
[03:28] <martin1> I'm totally desperate, I just don't understand that
[03:28] <childe> Hi. I've just installed Ubuntu!
[03:28] <martin1> can anyone help me with that?
[03:29] <childe> The installation is very easy.
[03:29] <childe> Bye.
[03:29] <gnurt> hehe
[03:29] <gen> what a weirdo
[03:30] <__daniel> gen|out: he was nice enough to tell it
[03:31] <Fwiffo_> yeah, nice with a few success-stories instead of only problem-reports :o)
[03:32] <z0mbix> any ppc users here?
[03:33] <martin1> so, has anyone got experience with weird routing problems?
[03:33] <Rene_S> Actually, mine went very well and I got all my plugins installed, Point2Play works, and Crossover Office runs nice and smooth, even IE runs a tad faster
[03:34] <cardador> Rene_S: why do you need IE?
[03:34] <sirfred> Hi.
[03:34] <sirfred> I've just switched to Hoary. a little question about DRI.
[03:34] <Rene_S> I dont it gets installed with Office XP
[03:34] <kensai> cardador, to get spywares maybe
[03:35] <cardador> Rene_S: ah ok :)
[03:35] <sirfred> I thought that the last X.org version has DRI support for the mach64 ati chipset.
[03:35] <sirfred> But I cannot find the driver on my install.
[03:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) sirfred: do you have a basic install, or did you upgrade (not recommended!) to hoary
[03:36] <Rene_S> I would use Openoffice more but some of my work doesn't translate well between office xp and openoffice
[03:36] <sirfred> Treenaks: I upgraded.
[03:36] <sirfred> Treenaks: But I'm sure I'm on x.org.
[03:36] <moyote> Does anyone if sed has be fixed in hoary?
[03:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) it has
[03:36] <moyote> s/be/been
[03:36] <moyote> ty
[03:37] <kensai> Open Office is far superior in my case I have never had a problem
[03:37] <kensai> not even opening and editing my documents in a winslows pc
[03:37] <Rene_S> I don't for the most part, just some presentations and a couple of spreadsheets seem to get mangled a little and I am too lazy to redo them
[03:38] <kensai> Ohh
[03:39] <Rene_S> Besides its a nice sell point to show people that you can go Windows free and not have relearn everything
[03:40] <martin1> is there noone here who can help me ? :(
[03:40] <Rene_S> Sorry martin1 I dont do networking
[03:41] <z0mbix> martin, what are all the ip's subnet etc?
[03:41] <martin1> well, my home lan subnet is <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:41] <martin1> the computer in question gets an <IP_ADDRESS> assigned by dhcp
[03:42] <martin1> the router has the ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:42] <martin1> but I can't add a default route to the router
[03:42] <z0mbix> linux router?
[03:42] <martin1> hardware router from netgear
[03:43] <martin1> when I do dhclient wlan0 the dhclient seems to try to add the correct default route
[03:43] <z0mbix> is this default route set? webconfig?
[03:43] <martin1> but gets a SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
[03:43] <martin1> I can't set the default route
[03:43] <martin1> that's the really strange point
[03:44] <martin1> I can ping the router, but when I try "sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>" I get the above message
[03:45] <martin1> how can the network <IP_ADDRESS> be unreachable if there is a route to it and I can ping the machines on that network?
[03:45] <sirfred> martin1: Are you able to put the route manually?
[03:46] <z0mbix> that's what the route add command is
[03:46] <sirfred> Excuse me.
[03:46] <martin1> no sirfred
[03:46] <sirfred> I didn't read the line.
[03:46] <z0mbix> martin1: bit the network unreachable is the external network not the <IP_ADDRESS> network
[03:46] <martin1> can it be somehow related to that ipv6 stuff?
[03:47] <sirfred> martin1: Are you sure that your NIC IP belongs to that network?
[03:47] <martin1> pretty much so, my NIC IP is <IP_ADDRESS> and the network is <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:47] <sirfred> martin1: Is the ethernet card up?
[03:47] <martin1> yes
[03:48] <sirfred> Very strange.
[03:48] <martin1> ifconfig shows wlan0 with the correct ip and all
[03:48] <sirfred> ifconfig wlan0 ?
[03:48] <martin1> yes
[03:48] <martin1> should I write it down here?
[03:48] <sirfred> martin1: The inet addr: line and the UP line.
[03:49] <sirfred> martin1: Please
[03:49] <attifinch> hello
[03:49] <martin1> (locale is german...) inet Adresse: <IP_ADDRESS> Bcast: <IP_ADDRESS> Maske: <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:49] <sirfred> martin1: That's fine.
[03:49] <martin1> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1
[03:50] <sirfred> I think that's fine.
[03:50] <attifinch> i have a quesiton im thinking of switching from mandrake to ubuntu .. any major resons to?
[03:51] <martin1> when I run route -C all lines have "lo" at the end as the interface, is that sane?
[03:51] <drac_> euh nop
[03:51] <sirfred> martin1: I have some for the eth0.
[03:51] <martin1> like, after pinging <IP_ADDRESS> it says "<IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> l 0 0 2 lo"
[03:52] <sirfred> ANd you're able to ping that ip?
[03:52] <martin1> yes
[03:52] <martin1> ah well, if I connect to this laptop via ssh (which works w/o any problems)
[03:53] <martin1> I get lines within that with iface wlan0
[03:53] <sirfred> martin1: What do you have in your /etc/hosts ?
[03:53] <martin1> maybe thats the problem?
[03:53] <drac_> 15:55 drac@portable ~% route -n | grep lo |wc -l
[03:53] <drac_> 0
[03:53] <moyote> attifinch, Well, that's a loaded question in this room since we use Ubuntu. try it and see for yourself. You can always go back to Mandrake if you want to. :-)
[03:53] <martin1> pretty much untouched: <IP_ADDRESS> localhost.localdomain localhost perseus
[03:53] <sirfred> martin1: And route -n ?
[03:53] <martin1> and then some ip6 lines
[03:54] <martin1> just one single route, target <IP_ADDRESS> router <IP_ADDRESS> genmask <IP_ADDRESS> Flags U Metric 0 Ref 0 Use 0 Iface wlan0
[03:55] <sirfred> martin1: I can't understand it.
[03:55] <sirfred> martin1: My configuration is really near yours.
[03:55] <sirfred> martin1: But, I'm able to add the route.
[03:55] <martin1> me too sirfred
[03:56] <sirfred> martin1: You sure about the line syntax?
[03:56] <martin1> it's not that I was completely unexperienced with networking on linux...
[03:56] <sirfred> route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:56] <martin1> "route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>"
[03:56] <martin1> oh, + "dev wlan0"
[03:56] <sirfred> Excuse me, that's my line.
[03:57] <sirfred> Have you tried with and without 'dev wlan0' ?
[03:57] <martin1> the strange thing is that even dhclient can't set the route while hes trying to
[03:57] <martin1> yes, in that case I get "network is down" ..
[03:57] <sirfred> martin1: Well, at least, it's coherent.
[03:57] <sirfred> network is down.
[03:57] <martin1> "network is not active"
[03:58] <martin1> btw I had to manually get the wlan0 dev up because the scripts didn't work
[03:58] <martin1> using wlanctl wlan0 [ ... strange commands here ... ]
[03:58] <martin1> s/wlanctl/wlanctl-ng/
[03:58] <sirfred> martin1: But it seems to be up
[03:59] <martin1> it clearly is up
[03:59] <martin1> I can ssh from that box to this computer
[03:59] <sirfred> martin1: When you write only ifconfig, did it shows?
[03:59] <sirfred> the wlan0 ?
[03:59] <martin1> yes, and lo
[03:59] <sirfred> My only difference is the MTU
[03:59] <martin1> uh, and if I "ifconfig lo down" I can't ping my router anymore??
[04:00] <sirfred> I suppose that you're using some kind of PPPoE encapsulation.
[04:00] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) your router is in lo?
[04:00] <sirfred> But, that's a mess
[04:00] <martin1> though I can still reach my notebook via ssh
[04:00] <sirfred> What have lo to do with the router?
[04:00] <martin1> no, my router is not in lo
[04:00] <martin1> at least, he shouldn't be!
[04:00] <sirfred> What do you have in lo, ifconfig ?
[04:01] <sirfred> what inet addr and that kind of things?
[04:01] <martin1> excuse me?
[04:01] <sirfred> Is lo with inet addr: <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[04:01] <martin1> <IP_ADDRESS> mask <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:01] <sirfred> It seems a joke.
[04:01] <mindphasr> hrm still have not received my cds :(
[04:01] <martin1> and only if that one's up it works
[04:02] <sirfred> It seems that lo and wlan0 are in shortcircuit or something so.
[04:02] <martin1> or better, it doesn't work ...
[04:02] <martin1> yes sirfred, but apparently only for <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:02] <martin1> rest of the world is fine
[04:02] <sirfred> martin1: Have you configured that network in any other place?
[04:03] <martin1> mh - maybe if I change my routers IP adress to be something like <IP_ADDRESS>?
[04:03] <martin1> what other place?
[04:03] <sirfred> martin1: What do you have in /etc/networks.
[04:03] <sirfred> For example.
[04:03] <martin1> I'm completely unfamiliar with ubuntu configuration I have to admit
[04:03] <sirfred> martin1: Neither I am, it's like debian, more or less.
[04:03] <martin1> in /etc/networks/interaces is some stuff
[04:03] <martin1> auto lo
[04:03] <sirfred> martin1: The file is /etc/network/interfaces
[04:03] <martin1> iface lo inet loopback
[04:04] <martin1> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[04:04] <martin1> auto wlan0 ...
[04:04] <sirfred> martin1: That's fine.
[04:05] <sirfred> martin1: Try a ifdown -a, ifup -a
[04:05] <sirfred> martin1: But you'll lose the connection.
[04:05] <sirfred> martin1: Perhaps you can see some new error message.
[04:05] <martin1> mh, wait a second
[04:05] <sirfred> martin1: There's no much more than /etc/network/interfaces.
[04:06] <sirfred> martin1: Perhaps you've configured something else in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts
[04:06] <martin1> ifdown -a says nothing
[04:06] <sirfred> martin1: But I think /etc/network/interfaces rules.
[04:06] <martin1> ifup doesn't work
[04:06] <sirfred> What means doesn't work?
[04:06] <martin1> as it fails to correctly configure my wlan device
[04:06] <sirfred> What do you see?
[04:07] <martin1> SET failed on device lo, operation not supported
[04:07] <martin1> thats strange
[04:07] <sirfred> I've got that, also, I think.
[04:07] <martin1> it tries to set the wireless requests on my lo
[04:07] <sirfred> Humm.
[04:07] <sirfred> Have you configured some of those?
[04:08] <sirfred> Encryption,...
[04:08] <sirfred> You could try with an static configuration.
[04:09] <martin1> yes I had though i removed them now
[04:09] <martin1> I have to configure that interface using /etc/wlan stuff
[04:09] <martin1> it's linux-wlan-ng
[04:09] <sirfred> martin1: I made it in another way
[04:09] <sirfred> martin1: In the interfaces file:
[04:10] <sirfred> iface eth0 inet static
[04:10] <sirfred> ...
[04:10] <Gwildor_> morning :)
[04:10] <sirfred> wireless-mode managed
[04:10] <sirfred>         wireless-essid WLAN
[04:10] <sirfred> ...
[04:10] <sirfred> This way.
[04:10] <sirfred> It's automatically configured when ifup-ing the interface
[04:11] <martin1> uhm should yes ..
[04:11] <martin1> wait a second, ill try
[04:11] <martin1> how do i define IP and stuff?
[04:11] <sirfred> martin1:
[04:11] <sirfred>        address <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:12] <sirfred>         netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:12] <sirfred>         network <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:12] <sirfred>         broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:12] <sirfred>         gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:12] <sirfred> martin1: From my configuration.
[04:12] <Depht> the network config GUI is really quite good these days, if will write most of what most people want in interfaces
[04:12] <trinity> hi - anyone know how to add a floppy icon to the desktop whitch automounts floppy when clicked on
[04:12] <martin1> no effect
[04:12] <martin1> the wireless set request fail on wlan0
[04:13] <martin1> because it's linux-wlan-ng ...
[04:13] <martin1> and afterwards it says "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable" :-(
[04:13] <sirfred> martin1: Sorry
[04:13] <martin1> prolly when its trying to add the default route
[04:14] <kent_> trinity, you have on in the computer-window, dont you?
[04:14] <martin1> I'll try to change my routers ip now, expect a timeout from me ;-)
[04:15] <trinity> kent_:yes - so I just drag it to the desktop?
[04:15] <kent_> trinity, hmm, not sure if thats possible.
[04:15] <Depht> seems to work
[04:15] <Depht> only way to see is just to try it
[04:16] <kent_> trinity, but you do have an applet that will let you mount/unmount disks (floppy, cdrom etc) that you can put on the panel
[04:19] <martin_> should have disconnected before
[04:19] <martin_> sirfred, I changed my routers IP to <IP_ADDRESS> and it works now
[04:19] <wood1> Hi to all
[04:20] <wood1> Can anybody give me some tips to login to this IRC channel using a port other than 6667 ?
[04:20] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) wood1: uh, look on the freenode.org websited
[04:20] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) wood1: it might have more info
[04:21] <wood1> My company firewall has disabled access to port 6667 on all other PCs except the one I am using right now
[04:23] <martin_> has anyone got an idea how to repair the linux-wlan-ng scripts?
[04:27] <wood1> How hard is it to built a High End Server using PC Clustering with Ubuntu Linux?
[04:29] <martin_> sirfred, are you still there?
[04:30] <siulca> a friend installed ubuntu and he's trying to install nvidia drivers but doesn't know what the root password is!! he said he never set the password at instalation.
[04:31] <siulca> can anyone help?
[04:31] <z0mbix> ubuntu doesn't use the root account
[04:31] <z0mbix> it uses sudo instead
[04:31] <z0mbix> prefix the root command with sudo
[04:31] <siulca> sudo?
[04:31] <z0mbix> sudo apt-get install foobar
[04:31] <siulca> what does that do?
[04:32] <eruin> siulca, if you really need root, you can do "sudo su"
[04:32] <siulca> but what's the root password if the user never set one up?!!!
[04:32] <eruin> there is no root password
[04:32] <Depht> installing nividia drivers can be done with only one command y'know; after install them that from apt that is
[04:33] <eruin> siulca, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:33] <siulca> Depht do you know which command it is?
[04:33] <eruin> that explains whats up with root ;)
[04:33] <Depht> the wiki gives exactly the steps
[04:33] <eruin> siulca, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:33] <eruin> the password requested is his user password
[04:34] <Gwildor_> the sudo password is your user password
[04:34] <Gwildor_> easy 'nuff
[04:34] <eruin> ;)
[04:34] <Gwildor_> where did you ge the mesh?
[04:35] <Gwildor_> sorry for last post......wrong chat
[04:35] <siulca> he's saying he need to exit x to install drivers!
[04:35] <Depht> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto < sure that used to be easier to find...
[04:36] <eruin> siulca, ctrl+alt+f1 -> sudo killall gdm -> install drivers
[04:36] <Depht> can install the drivers in X, then just restart gdm afterwards
[04:36] <Depht> "Note: requires linux-restricted modules >= <IP_ADDRESS>.1-3
[04:36] <Depht>    1.
[04:36] <Depht>       sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:36] <Depht>    2.
[04:37] <Depht>       sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:37] <Depht> "
[04:37] <Depht> sorry, didn't see those blanks
[04:37] <eruin> nobody else talking in here anyway
[04:38] <eruin> for anyone listening, I think the truetype fontservers should be required by ubuntu-desktop
[04:38] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: why?
[04:38] (Ng/#ubuntu) X has builtin truetype rendering
[04:38] <Depht> why would you need any font server?
[04:38] <eruin> (hoary)
[04:39] <eruin> because windows truetype fonts (used widely on the web) doesn't seem to work properly without them. I'm not sure though.. I had to uncomment some stuff manually in /etc/fonts/local.conf to get hinting
[04:39] (Ng/#ubuntu) that's nothing to do with font servers though
[04:39] <eruin> the problem is probably that the font setup in gnome doesn't actually apply any changes you set to hinting/subpixel etc
[04:39] <Depht> hmm, everything on my screen looks as smooth as possible; with no changes at all to config
[04:39] (Ng/#ubuntu) that's configuration of the fontconfig package
[04:39] <Depht> except in gnome of course
[04:40] (Ng/#ubuntu) I know on debian at least it asks what kind of hinting you want when you install the package
[04:40] <eruin> Ng, ah, I haven't got that package installed.
[04:41] <eruin> but the msttcorefonts aren't quite as decent as the ones I grab from XP
[04:41] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: why don't you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[04:41] (Ng/#ubuntu) it depends on fontconfig
[04:41] <siulca> how do u run X?
[04:41] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: that will be why gnome's font config doesn't work too
[04:41] <eruin> anyway, shouldn't the changes gnome-font-properties do get applied?
[04:42] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: they do work if you have fontconfig installed :)
[04:42] <eruin> ah, well, it didn't work before I removed it either (removed it along with openoffice1 (need ooo1.9(
[04:42] (Ng/#ubuntu) if you remove ubuntu-desktop you are on your own mostly
[04:42] (Ng/#ubuntu) since new desktop packages can come in that you won't necessarily know to install
[04:43] <eruin> I can't use it until ooo1.9 comes along
[04:43] <siulca> can anyone tell me how does one get back to the desktop after installing drivers on console?
[04:43] <eruin> ooo1 can't read my quite-important .oot files ;)
[04:43] <z0mbix> siulca: /etc/init.d/gdm start
[04:44] <Depht> off topic, does anyone know if there's an eta on OOo 2?
[04:44] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: right, so you're tryign to run a development version of OO on a development version of Ubuntu and you're unhappy that things don't all Just Work.
[04:44] <siulca> thanks zombix
[04:44] <Rene_S> Can some one tell me how to install Windows XP its been so long I forgot .... j/k
[04:44] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: that isn't very fair ;)
[04:45] <eruin> Ng, didn't say I'm unhappy with it ;)
[04:45] <eruin> just tried to understand why
[04:45] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: fair enough, my apologies. now you know why :)
[04:45] <eruin> Ng, thanks ;)
[04:46] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: if you want to see what packages you're missing, run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and say no, it'll have printed a list of things it would have installed
[04:46] (Ng/#ubuntu) you should see at least fontconfig
[04:46] (Ng/#ubuntu) check to see what else you could be missing :)
[04:46] <siulca> aparently /etc/init.d/gdm start says it failed!
[04:47] <eruin> I lack menu, msttcorefonts
[04:47] <rapha> Hmm
[04:48] <Depht> siulca, change start to restart
[04:48] <eruin> hmm, actually I have fontconfig
[04:48] <rapha> Why doesn't GLX work with X.Org (I just changed to that). X log file says about some unresolved symbols...
[04:48] <rapha> Do I have to exchange any other packages?
[04:48] <eruin> ati?
[04:49] <Depht> rapha, not many people will have tried XOrg on ubuntu, you may be better off searching for it on google or somewhere
[04:49] <rapha> eruin: NVidia.
[04:49] <rapha> Okay...
[04:49] <eruin> I'm running xorg with nvidia 6111 here
[04:49] <eruin> (hoary)
[04:50] <rapha> Hmm. No idea which version of the NVidia driver I have. But it also comes through Synaptic.
[04:50] <deFrysk> <--nvidia
[04:50] <rapha> Prolly same as you
[04:50] <fabbione> eruin: is it working or are you just complaining abou the errors in the log file?
[04:50] <eruin> it's working fine and dandy here
[04:50] <fabbione> ops
[04:50] <fabbione> it was for rapha
[04:50] <deFrysk> fine here too
[04:51] <fabbione> rapha: ^^
[04:51] <fabbione> rapha: is it working or are you just complaining abou the errors in the log file?
[04:53] <eruin> is there a make.conf like in gentoo around, or do I just export my flags as env vars?
[04:57] <rapha> fabbione: Well, it's not working. I also turned on Composite, but according to the logfile that's never loaded.
[05:00] <fabbione> rapha: composite and GLX cannot be enabled together
[05:00] <fabbione> or one or the other
[05:01] <rapha> Oh.
[05:01] <rapha> Didn't know that.
[05:01] <rapha> Okay, then I'll try disabling GLX when I come back from the library. Thanks fabbione.
[05:01] <eruin> that's only in the 6629 drivers
[05:02] <eruin> and does metacity in ubuntu work with composite yet?
[05:02] <deFrysk> ubuntu has an easy install guide with tools to install nvidia
[05:03] <deFrysk> read the nvidia bit in http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:09] <eruin> I wish muine had an audioscrobbler plugin ;)
[05:13] <tom__> would i be iterrupting to ask for a short discussion on some concepts ineed to get sorted in my mind?
[05:13] <eruin> not likely ;)
[05:14] <tom__> ok ....
[05:14] <tom__> ty
[05:14] <tom__> i am trying to work my way throughunderstanding home networking and am trying to get clear in my mind what a domain is in terms of the network settingsin ubuntu
[05:15] <tom__> i ave three pcs (hosts?) in my lan
[05:15] <tom__> so i give them a one word host name each ....
[05:16] <Caspar> Hia
[05:17] <tom__> then do i goive them all a common domain name ?  what i am struggling with is the idea that eac pc has a "localhost.localdomain" and whether this shouold or could be used across all of them
[05:17] <Caspar> dous someone know where the VNC vieuwer is in ubuntu to connect to another computer?
[05:17] <tom__> or do i need another domain for them to share
[05:17] <z0mbix> Caspar:  gertix :: ~ which vncviewer
[05:17] <z0mbix> /usr/bin/vncviewer
[05:18] <eruin> or tsclient
[05:18] <Caspar> Ok thx
[05:19] <tom__> any comment on any of that anyone?
[05:20] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: you don't really need to give them all a domain
[05:20] <Caspar> z0mbix? how can i use it?
[05:20] <tom__> no?  just a hostname?
[05:20] <z0mbix> Caspar: just type vncviewer in a terminal
[05:21] <Caspar> it is to a windows desktop:|
[05:21] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: just a hostname will be fine. localhost.localdomain doesn't mean, e.g. localhost.myhomenetworkdomain
[05:21] <eruin> hum
[05:21] <tom__> Ng yeah i find myself confused by this
[05:21] <eruin> I'm unable to view my own desktop through nvcviewer
[05:21] <z0mbix> Caspar: it doesn't matter what u connect to the vnc client is always started the same
[05:22] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: if your network gets more complicated it can be handy to have domains, e.g. I have a .lan and .wireless at home
[05:22] <Caspar> ya but how can i controll the computer then whit a grafical output?
[05:22] <tom__> ok so all i have to do is call it pc1 or pc2 as a host name
[05:23] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: yep, then there's a file /etc/hosts you can use to tell each one the name/ip of the others
[05:23] <z0mbix> Caspar: install ssh on your windows pc
[05:23] <Caspar> i don't want ssh
[05:23] <z0mbix> or use remote desktop on the windows pc
[05:23] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: (an easy alternative to running a local dns server ;)
[05:23] <Caspar> i want vnc grafic
[05:23] <z0mbix> i don't get your problem
[05:23] <tom__> NG ah ..... now, i have DHCP running on my router ....
[05:23] <z0mbix> if u want gui use remote desktop or vnc server/client
[05:24] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: right, then not /etc/hosts :)
[05:24] (Ng/#ubuntu) good call
[05:24] <Caspar> i want to connect to my windows computer in grafical mode
[05:24] <z0mbix> then use VNC
[05:24] <z0mbix> or remote desktop
[05:24] <eruin> tsclient was installed by default here
[05:25] <eruin> it can view my local vino-server-shared desktop
[05:25] <tom__> ng so in that case, with dhcp, will just the host name allow it to sort itself all out?
[05:26] <dbarnett> Can someone tell me where the default user info is for firefox on a fresh install? I  tried copying my old .mozilla and replaced all instances of bookmarks.html under there, also the one in /usr/local/bin/firefox/defaults/profile but I still only have the default bookmarks page
[05:26] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: I'm not 100% sure about that, there is a way for dhcp to deal with hostnames and so on, but I'm not very familiar with it I'm afraid
[05:26] <tom__> NG ok ty
[05:26] <z0mbix> dbarnett: just import the bookmarks.html file
[05:26] <robtaylor> hmm, does anyone know a way i can shrink the spacing between menu entries in gnome 2.8?
[05:26] <z0mbix> dbarnett: --> ~/.mozilla/firefox
[05:26] <Caspar> z0mbix i want to use it but how can i use it? do i need to install it first?
[05:27] <tom__> i have been having a loy of fun realising that dhcp keeps changing resolve.conf
[05:27] <z0mbix> Caspar: maybe, try sudo apt-get install vnc-common
[05:27] <Depht> robtaylor, you don't unless you edit the theme; is it really too big?
[05:27] <z0mbix> then you should get vncviewer
[05:28] <robtaylor> Depht: just a bit cluttersome for me.. i guess i'll just chack myself up a 'laptop' theme :)
[05:28] <Caspar> z0mbix i have it but how do i use it?
[05:28] <eruin> I think the icons used are what's causing the spacing you're talking about
[05:28] <dbarnett> zombix: copied it to /home/dbarnett/.mozilla/firefox/default.uls
[05:28] <dbarnett> also
[05:28] <z0mbix> Caspar: just type: vncviewer in a terminal and box will appear asking for the ip address of your windows pc
[05:29] <z0mbix> Caspar: just make sure vnc server is running on your windows pc
[05:29] <Caspar> its running?
[05:29] <Caspar> ja
[05:29] <Caspar> sry it is
[05:29] <Caspar> but
[05:30] <z0mbix> are you running X on your linux box?
[05:30] <robtaylor> eruin: not if i run an svg theme =)
[05:30] <Caspar> you mean GUI gnome or?
[05:30] <z0mbix> yes, in gnome, just click on "Applications" then "Run Application"
[05:31] <z0mbix> then just type "vncviewer" in there
[05:31] <robtaylor> ah. they dont do real svg themes yet :(
[05:31] <z0mbix> a box should appear - just enter the ip address of your windows pc
[05:31] <Caspar> and then enter?
[05:31] <z0mbix> yes
[05:33] <Caspar> it dousent work
[05:33] <Caspar> maybe becose it is password protected?
[05:33] <Depht> is the terminal server client not installed by default? that includes vnc in a friendlier way
[05:34] <eruin> it is
[05:34] <Caspar> it is running also as server but i want to connect from this computer to my windows computer tru vnc
[05:34] <tom__> Ng ty for your help there just being able to talk with someone sometimes is a great aid
[05:35] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: np :)
[05:35] <Caspar> ?
[05:35] <tom__> i have jts found a promising dhcp faq .... tc i will see if that helps in this slow crawl up the mountain :)
[05:36] (alexissoft/#ubuntu) hi
[05:37] <jmhodges> quick question..
[05:37] <z0mbix> Caspar: i don't understan
[05:37] <z0mbix> Caspar: i've told u numerous times what to do
[05:37] <jmhodges> i just installed a cd-rw.. and i can write to it just finewith nautilus etc
[05:37] <z0mbix> what happens when u do what i've suggested?
[05:37] <jmhodges> but no matter what cd i put in, the cd is never mounted
[05:37] <Caspar> z0mbic it dousent connect
[05:37] <Caspar> dous nothing
[05:37] <jmhodges> in fact, i cant even eject using the hardware button
[05:37] <z0mbix> Caspar: r u running Windows XP?
[05:37] <jmhodges> the cd never shows up in Disks or on the Desktop
[05:37] <Caspar> z0mbix yes
[05:37] <z0mbix> Caspar: svc pack 2?
[05:37] <Caspar> OOPS
[05:38] <Caspar> :|
[05:38] <jmhodges> to eject it i have to run `sudo eject /dev/hdd`
[05:38] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jmhodges: that suggests that it *is* mounted, but perhaps the window isn't showing up
[05:38] <z0mbix> Caspar: maybe the firewall is blocking it
[05:38] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jmhodges: start a terminal, type 'mount', look for it
[05:38] <jmhodges> Kamion: its not there
[05:38] (Kamion/#ubuntu) very odd
[05:38] <jmhodges> extremely
[05:38] <Caspar> ill try now :|
[05:38] <jmhodges> Kamion: the green light on the drive stays on ..
[05:39] <jmhodges> i just installed this thing..
[05:39] <Caspar> works
[05:39] <Caspar> it was the firewall :|
[05:39] <z0mbix> Caspar: :)
[05:39] <Caspar> i hate SP2
[05:39] <Caspar> :|
[05:39] <z0mbix> bloody svc pack 2
[05:39] <jmhodges> when i try to mount it, i get the normal "you fscked this up" error
[05:39] <Caspar> also whit suse 9.2 :|
[05:40] <jmhodges> mmrph.. i hope this isn't a hw issue..
[05:40] <Caspar> but only that one will run on my laptop |
[05:41] <the_tux> hi all....i installed ubuntu and i typed "pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0" and it gives me nothing (i think it means that there is no gtk+ libraries and i checked in synaptic that all gtk+ libraries are installed but the system don't see the libraries ( i think) how can i solve it ?
[05:41] <PorscheBoy> hey
[05:42] <PorscheBoy> anyone knows how to upgrade from xfree to xorg?
[05:42] <jmhodges> the_tux: thats because you tried the wrong pkg name
[05:42] <the_tux> jmhodges, which should i use
[05:42] <the_tux> ?
[05:43] <the_tux> (sorry for my english!)
[05:43] <greg__> PorscheBoy:: add appropriate entry in sources.list, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade - i guess
[05:43] <jind> PorscheBoy, pacman -Sy xorg (If you were using Arch linux though :P )
[05:44] <jmhodges> the_tux: libgtk2.0-common
[05:44] <PorscheBoy> well, i did dist-upgrade but i didn't x.org package in there
[05:44] <PorscheBoy> see^
[05:44] <the_tux> jmhodges, ok thanks so so much :)
[05:45] <greg__> PorscheBoy:: u need a repostiory with xorg in it
[05:45] <jmhodges> the_tux: and to be able to compile your own gtk code, libgtk2.0-dev
[05:45] <greg__> PorscheBoy:: afaik xorg is not in warty repo
[05:45] <the_tux> jmhodges, thanks
[05:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: were you dist-upgrading to hoary?
[05:45] <jmhodges> the_tux: np :)
[05:45] <PorscheBoy> yes
[05:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: even if so, you'll only get xorg automatically if you have ubuntu-desktop installed
[05:45] <PorscheBoy> i'm running warty with hoary repositories
[05:45] <the_tux> i should go now thanks so much
[05:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: otherwise, you'll need to apt-get install xserver-xorg xorg-driver-synaptics
[05:46] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: no you're not, you're running hoary :-)
[05:46] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: "warty with hoary repositories" = hoary
[05:46] <PorscheBoy> Kamion, no i'm running warty but i changed the repositories to hoary
[05:47] <wasabi> PorscheBoy: did you upgrade everything to hoary?
[05:47] <PorscheBoy> not really
[05:47] <wasabi> after changing the repositories
[05:47] <greg__> PorscheBoy:: and what apt-cache policy x.org show?
[05:47] <wasabi> so you have a hundred unupgraded packages
[05:47] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: if you dist-upgraded after doing so, you are running hoary
[05:47] <PorscheBoy> i tried hoary but it wasn't stable to i switched back to warty
[05:47] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: it doesn't really mean anything to say that you're running warty if you have a significant number of packages at a higher version
[05:48] <PorscheBoy> kamion, how do i upgrade x.org only?
[05:48] (Kamion/#ubuntu) greg__: there's no package called "x.org"
[05:48] <greg__> Kamion:: typo
[05:48] <greg__> Kamion:: i have only sources for ubuntu's xorg
[05:49] (dataw0lf/#ubuntu) let's just get something straight.. you really shouldn't have your repos set to hoary unless you know and are willing to fix alot of crap.
[05:49] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: you can try 'apt-get install xserver-xorg', but it's not guaranteed to install only xorg and it'll get harder to do this as time goes on
[05:49] <greg__> Kamion:: i didnt unpack them yet, so i dont know exact names of packages
[05:49] (Kamion/#ubuntu) greg__: no package called xorg either
[05:49] (Kamion/#ubuntu) there's a source package called xorg
[05:49] <sirfred> Hi.
[05:50] <n00bzter> hi
[05:50] <sirfred> Kamion: Do you know if the experimental dri drivers (the mach64 one) have been built in some package?
[05:50] <n00bzter> i got a litll problem
[05:50] <n00bzter> little*
[05:50] <Gwildor_> n00bzter, just ask
[05:51] (Kamion/#ubuntu) sirfred: no idea, sorry
[05:51] <sirfred> Kamion: OK
[05:51] <PorscheBoy> kamion, ur command works man
[05:51] <n00bzter> i insalled ubuntu but there isnt any graphical enviroment... after i reboot i got just the plain back enviroment dos style
[05:51] <PorscheBoy> it's installing xorg right now
[05:51] <Gwildor_> n00bzter, watry, or did you upgrade to hoary?
[05:52] <eruin> n00bzter, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:52] <n00bzter> warty
[05:52] <Gwildor_> n00bzter, or did you do anything, like try the binary drivers or anything?
[05:52] <n00bzter> just after i downloaded
[05:52] <n00bzter> the cd
[05:53] <Gwildor_> n00bzter, try sudo apt-get update       sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:53] (Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: did you boot the CD in any unusual way?
[05:53] <n00bzter> Kamion nope...
[05:53] <n00bzter> Gwildor will try
[05:53] <eruin> he probably skipped the last step
[05:53] <n00bzter> Kamion just formated my SuSE
[05:53] (Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: did you get a menu after the first reboot?
[05:53] <n00bzter> Kamion yes it was something about time zones
[05:54] (Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: ok; did you go all the way through that? there's plenty of stuff after the timezone question
[05:54] (Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: including installing the graphical environment
[05:54] <morteoh> how do i get pdf-printing in OOo with ubuntu?
[05:54] <n00bzter> Kamion in havent asked me such thinks
[05:54] <Depht> morteoh, do you not see the button on the tool bar?
[05:55] <n00bzter> it just prompted for CD and downloaded some perl stuff
[05:55] (Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: that sounds like you booted in custom mode
[05:55] <morteoh> Depht: ah, I think I have used print to get pdf's before.. but I saw the icon now.. yes, thanks :)
[05:55] (Kamion/#ubuntu) or that something else was badly broken
[05:56] <n00bzter> Kamion humpf
[05:56] <Gwildor_> n00bzter, is it fixing?
[05:56] <n00bzter> Gwildor ill try the download graphic
[05:57] <Gwildor_> n00bzter, try sudo apt-get update       sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:57] <Gwildor_> just to refresh
[05:57] <n00bzter> Gwildor ahum right away
[05:58] <zhangb> can someone tell me how to access exchange email from evolution?  i installed evolution, evolution-exchange packages...
[06:00] <morteoh> how do i get rhythmbox to play mp3's ?
[06:00] <Depht> morteoh, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:00] <kent_> morteoh, download gstreamer-plugings-mad from the restricted archive. Its on the homepage i think.
[06:01] <kent_> morteoh,  Depth might have the name more correct than me,   :)
[06:01] <morteoh> Depht: hm, i don't see it.. maybe it is in universe?
[06:01] <Depht> morteoh, it's not in main because of the patent things...
[06:01] <morteoh> ah, ok..
[06:02] <morteoh> rhythmbox should give an errormessage when it can't play an mp3, not just freeze :P
[06:02] <Depht> I would expect it to now actually; what does totem do?
[06:02] <morteoh> not sure, but i have gstreamer0.8-mad now
[06:03] <morteoh> so it works :)
[06:04] <eruin> morteoh, it did here
[06:04] <eruin> a long list of "no decoder for mp3 files"
[06:05] <morteoh> eruin: ok, you started it from the commandline then?
[06:08] <eruin> no
[06:09] <AciD> hey
[06:09] <AciD> i just want to tell that i just received my official ubuntu's cds
[06:09] <AciD> it rox :)
[06:10] <eruin> I wouldn't have tried ubuntu if it werent for those cds ;P
[06:10] <xiximkopp> hi there! is there any progress on usplash???
[06:10] <eruin> and would I be sorry
[06:10] <eruin> usplash?
[06:11] <xiximkopp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[06:11] <HWolf> eruin: A utility to provide a graphical boot proscess without kernel-patches.
[06:11] <eruin> ah
[06:11] <eruin> like rhgb?
[06:11] <kensai> AciD, when you received them>?
[06:11] <HWolf> xixim, Don't hold your breath. Daniel's awnser to that would be 'hopefully in the coming months'
[06:12] <xiximkopp> ok
[06:13] <AciD> kensai > today
[06:13] <AciD> this afternoon to be more precise
[06:13] <PorscheBoy> how come nvidia driver doesn't work on my system
[06:13] <PorscheBoy> it worked before i formatted the drive
[06:15] <kensai> PorscheBoy, yo did sudo nvidia-glx enable ?
[06:15] <mumeishi> I need to install nvidia drivers but need to exit xwindows. Can anyone tell me how to do this please?
[06:15] <PorscheBoy> not yet
[06:15] <kensai> PorscheBoy, thats it then
[06:15] (BeanDip/#ubuntu) mumeishi, ctrl-alt-F1
[06:15] <PorscheBoy> well, i know that u don't need to do that...all u have to do is change "nv" to "nvidia"
[06:16] <kensai> mumeishi, binarydriverhowto in www.ubuntulinux.org
[06:16] <kensai> PorscheBoy, no In ubuntu you need to do that
[06:16] <mumeishi> Thank you. I'll take a look
[06:16] <PorscheBoy> damn, my xserver is messed up
[06:17] <PorscheBoy> i just upgraded to x.org and not after typing sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, it wants the XFree86Config-4
[06:17] <Depht> BeanDip, that doesn't quit X, just takes you to another console
[06:17] <kent_> What would happen if i install Ubuntu and already have a /home with "kent" directory. Will it be overwritten if i create a user kent when installing? or will the program that adds users use the old dir?
[06:17] <PorscheBoy> not=now, typo
[06:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kent_: that's fine, we just call adduser and it won't overwrite an existing home directory
[06:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kent_: just be careful during partitioning; you'll have to use manual partitioning
[06:19] <PorscheBoy> who is running hoary in here?
[06:19] <kensai> PorscheBoy, 90% of us
[06:19] <PorscheBoy> ok, great
[06:19] <Depht> how stable is hoary right now? in terms of crashing that is, not as in changing
[06:19] <PorscheBoy> kensai, do u have a slow desktop refresh problem?
[06:20] <kensai> PorscheBoy, But I configure nvidia driver in XFree and then upgrade to Xorg
[06:20] <kensai> PorscheBoy, nope no problem here
[06:21] <kent_> Kamion, thanks. I was only interested in if adduser overwrites directorys..
[06:21] <mxpxpod> Depht: fairly stable for me running it on an ibook g4
[06:21] <PorscheBoy> reason y i downgraded to warty cause in hoary the Desktop would take forever for a file to appear after i downloaded something to the Desktop
[06:21] <PorscheBoy> so they fixed that problem?
[06:21] <daniels> PorscheBoy: apt-get install gamin
[06:21] <daniels> alternately, just keep the ubuntu-desktop package installed
[06:21] <eruin> any of you noticed microsoft has released directx for bsd ?
[06:21] <PorscheBoy> daniels, what's that?
[06:22] <Depht> PorscheBoy, actually, I think that's an issue with gnome in general, if you open the Desktop dir notmally and refresh, things appear
[06:22] <mxpxpod> PorscheBoy: replacement for fam
[06:22] <kensai> PorscheBoy, right I forgot about gamin
[06:22] <kensai> sorry
[06:22] <PorscheBoy> what's gamin?
[06:22] (Kamion/#ubuntu) 17:22 < mxpxpod> PorscheBoy: replacement for fam
[06:22] (Kamion/#ubuntu) (fam == file access monitor)
[06:23] <mxpxpod> thanks Kamion
[06:23] <Depht> and more to the point, what's the logic behind the name? the site won't tell me in english
[06:23] <PorscheBoy> daniels, can u tell me what does gamin do?