[12:27] <rmjb> "description needs to be wrapped to less then 80 characters wide"
[12:27] <rmjb> where is there a guide or descriptions in control files?
[12:30] <rmjb> found it, the Debian New Maintainers Guide...
[12:31] <rmjb> wasn't in the Ubuntu packager's guide or the Debian Policy
[12:31] <pygi> hey se
[12:31] <pygi> secretlondon:
[12:31] <secretlondon> hi
[12:34] <LaserJock> rmjb: it wasn't in the Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[12:34] <LaserJock> ?
[12:36] <rmjb> nah, the packaging guide links to a style doc on descriptions, but that doesn't mention it either I think
[12:38] <rmjb> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html search for Description:
[12:45] <kkubasik> hey, kinda a random question, but is docs.ubuntu.com written in docbook?
[12:47] <LaserJock> kkubasik: well, the docs are
[12:47] <LaserJock> they get built into HTML and pdf from docbook
[12:48] <kkubasik> that's what I thought, but I didn't know if docs.ubuntu.com was a weird wiki hybrid
[12:48] <LaserJock> no
[12:48] <kkubasik> you wouldn't happen to know what editor they use would you?
[12:48] <LaserJock> help.ubuntu.com has both the docs and a wiki
[12:49] <LaserJock> kkubasik: gedit, emacs, vim
[12:49] <kkubasik> it seems to be impossible to track a stable one down
[12:49] <LaserJock> kkubasik: everything chokes on our docbook
[12:49] <kkubasik> what version?
[12:49] <kkubasik> 4.2.1?
[12:49] <kkubasik> I know that screwed some stuff up pretty bad
[12:50] <kkubasik> that's why gnome stopped using it
[12:50] <secretlondon> the wiki used is moinmoin which isn't particularly brilliant imo, but then i'm used to mediawiki
[12:50] <LaserJock> we like moinmoin a fair bit (although we really need an upgrade)
[12:50] <LaserJock> but there are definitely advantages to mediawiki
[12:51] <LaserJock> kkubasik: what version of what?
[12:51] <kkubasik> the docbook dtd
[12:52] <LaserJock> oh, 4.3
[12:53] <LaserJock> we had a Google Summer of Code project this summer for a moinmoin -> docbook converter
[12:54] <LaserJock> sounds like it'll make it much easier for people to work on docs on the wiki and then later have somebody docbookize it
[12:55] <secretlondon> there is a mediwiki ->doc book converter afaik
[12:56] <nixternal> ya, but it is horrible..i have been using it for some kde docs
[12:56] <nixternal> it places a bunch of $$$ and ### throughout the doc for you to go through and try to destinguish what it is supposed to be
[12:56] <secretlondon> moin moin feels like wiki software of about 5 years ago - like usemod with it's camelcase etc
[12:57] <nixternal> i would love a good docbook2wiki, or docbook2txt
[12:57] <nixternal> lol secretlondon, it does
[12:57] <nixternal> mediawiki has endless amounts of things you can do with it
[12:57] <LaserJock> docbook2txt is easy
[12:57] <LaserJock> I'm partial to moinmoin myself
[12:58] <nixternal> LaserJock: link me to a good docbook2txt script
[12:58] <LaserJock> but mostly because it's great for a personal/small setup
[01:00] <LaserJock> nixternal: it's called, sudo apt-get install xmlto
[01:05] <PriceChild> Hey
[01:06] <PriceChild> can't figure out where ${shlibs:Depends} pulls dependencies from?
[01:06] <ajmitch> PriceChild: dh_shlibdeps
[01:07] <ajmitch> which calls dpkg-shlibdeps
[01:07] <pygi> PriceChild: remind me not to ask for opinions on forums anymore, lol ^_^
[01:07] <PriceChild> pygi: how come?
[01:07] <pygi> PriceChild: I've got all opinions that they I have to implement tracker :P
[01:08] <PriceChild> oh yeah :)
[01:08] <PriceChild> sorry :)
[01:08] <PriceChild> want me to call it to a close?
[01:08] <pygi> PriceChild: nah, no need, dont worry
[01:08] <PriceChild> ok
[01:08] <PriceChild> if you need anything just ask :)
[01:10] <PriceChild> ok so ${shlibs:Depends} just pulls up a basically "standard" list of dependencies?
[01:11] <secretlondon> i think i'm going to look at frostwire to see if i can package it rather than doing bugs tonight
[01:18] <LaserJock> pygi: you have to be very clear about the question you ask :-)
[01:18] <pygi> LaserJock: I was! :P
[01:18] <LaserJock> well, you didn't say from the beginning that tracker wasn't an option
[01:19] <pygi> heh, never imagined I have to explicitly state that
[01:20] <pygi> I'm not a forum guy
[01:22] <PriceChild> I did make a post about tracker not being an option
[01:22] <PriceChild> and highlighted it
[01:22] <PriceChild> and put it in red
[01:22] <PriceChild> :(
[01:22] <PriceChild> Just made yet another upload of xvidcap... I'm getting there :)
[01:29] <PriceChild> not even logged in laser.... tut utt
[01:30] <LaserJock> I'm so very glad they made the "Education and Science subforum"
[01:31] <LaserJock> now I can go to just one place and ignore the rest
[01:31] <crimsun> I'm doing an horrific job of following the forum
[01:31] <crimsun> a horrific, even
[01:32] <crimsun> that's probably where most of the issues that are relevant to me are posted
[01:32] <LaserJock> well, the do a horrific job of following you so you're even
[01:32] <LaserJock> s/the/they/
[01:32] <ajmitch> crimsun: it's too depressing to bother
[01:32] <ajmitch> even for a raging MOTU-holic like LaserJock
[01:34] <LaserJock> the feisty section is indeed depressing
[01:34] <PriceChild> I've only just realised how useful it is to subscribe to all posts i participate in
[01:34] <pygi> k, night
[01:34] <LaserJock> but I really like my topical subforum
[01:34] <LaserJock> they have brought up good apps to package
[01:34] <zul> meh..forums..
[01:34] <PriceChild> no email :)
[01:34] <LaserJock> I think having a topical subforum really helps
[01:34] <LaserJock> it might be just in my case though
[01:34] <crimsun> true, a mere mortal couldn't hope to keep up
[01:36] <PriceChild> I can't remember being in the repos subforum
[01:36] <PriceChild> at the end of the day guys... in your profile you can turn off any subforum you want
[01:36] <PriceChild> Just follow what you want to
[01:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch: have it pop up a "I seeee you!" dialog every 5 min. :-)
[01:37] <ajmitch> PriceChild: that would require me to just avoid the forums altogether
[01:37] <ajmitch> LaserJock: uhh...
[01:37] <PriceChild> I have the whole LoCo team bit turned off for example
[01:37] <PriceChild> they're self moderated, i only go there if soemone reports a post
[01:38] <PriceChild> (LoCo mods can't wield the spam-ban-hammer for example)
[01:39] <PriceChild> I should stop trying to defend the forums... Your opinions are never going to change lol...
[01:40] <LaserJock> PriceChild: don't worry, they're just a bunch of cynical old farts
[01:40] <bhale> that is probably why I am not talking ;)
[01:40] <PriceChild> :)
[01:41] <PriceChild> Well the day i stop loving UF is the day we revolt against ubuntugeek
[01:41] <ajmitch> hello bhale
[01:41] <bhale> hi andrew
[01:41] <crimsun> I love the forum [because I rarely visit] .
[01:42] <PriceChild> ha ha :)
[01:42] <LaserJock> PriceChild: I thought that already happened ;-)
[01:42] <PriceChild> LaserJock: nope... Its been agreed he shall be sabdffl
[01:42] <secretlondon> ubuntugeek=ryan troy?
[01:42] <PriceChild> (there's a silent "of" in there)
[01:43] <PriceChild> and that's not an official title....
[01:43] <PriceChild> secretlondon: correct
[01:43] <ajmitch> PriceChild: no, but it's close enough to the truth
[01:43] <PriceChild> hopefully :)
[01:43] <PriceChild> and please don't tell me you've got something against ryan.... :P
[01:43] <LaserJock> hah
[01:44] <LaserJock> I was going to say things might pick up if he were gone
[01:44] <PriceChild> :(
[01:44] <LaserJock> but well, I guess that won't happen
[01:44] <PriceChild> I wanna hear your opinion....
[01:44] <PriceChild> explain :)
[01:44] <PriceChild> please
[01:44] <crimsun> he's permitted to have an ego.  Some of us call it "being civil."
[01:45] <PriceChild> he he
[01:45] <PriceChild> I'm not gonna argue with any of this... I really wanna stay "in the middle" through all of this
[01:46] <PriceChild> even though its obvious i sway to one side...
[01:46] <fernando> hi all
[01:46] <PriceChild> hi
[01:46] <slavik> are packages built by checkinstall acceptable?
[01:46] <crimsun> absolutely not.
[01:46] <PriceChild> he he
[01:46] <slavik> :(
[01:46] <bhale> what is worse is sabdfl pandering to him
[01:46] <zul> hell no
[01:46] <bhale> for an indefinate period
[01:46] <LaserJock> bhale: yep
[01:47] <secretlondon> bhale: sabdfl is a sharp cookie, he doesn't want him anti
[01:47] <crimsun> I concur, the community is crucial.
[01:47] <PriceChild> slavik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[01:47] <slavik> well, I have problems compiling anjuta 2.0.2 ... there is a problem with some glade plugin code and there is no valgrind-dev package (valgrind 3.2.1 from their site doesn't compile)
[01:47] <LaserJock> I just don't see why Ryan = forums
[01:47] <LaserJock> the forums is a community
[01:48] <LaserJock> it's just run by a dictator and not of the benevolent kind
[01:48] <crimsun> slavik: why a valgrind-dev?
[01:48] <slavik> crimsun: that is what is required to build the anjuta valgrind plugin ...
[01:48] <slavik> anjuta2
[01:49] <slavik> LaserJock: I for one welcome our new <insert some weird type> overlords. :)
[01:49] <crimsun> LaserJock: this is my opinion, of course, but I think it's fine for him to "be dictator" [there] . If he steps in here, he'll learn very quickly that that approach will earn him enemies faster than baby jesus cried foul with a certain warty wall.
[01:51] <LaserJock> crimsun: :-)
[01:51] <crimsun> slavik: which specific files are necessary? (I haven't checked the anjuta build infrastructure)
[01:51] <slavik> umm, I am not exactly sure what you are asking ...
[01:51] <ajmitch> crimsun: creative analogies
[01:52] <crimsun> slavik: what files is the 'valgrind' package missing?
[01:52] <slavik> crimsun: the source code I am guessing, the anjuta configure script is not very verbose on it since it is an optional plugin
[01:53] <crimsun> slavik: anything in config.log?
[01:53] <slavik> error from valgrind: undefined reference to `__stack_chk_fail' a linking error?
[01:54] <crimsun> hmm, isn't that stack-protector?
[01:55] <ajmitch> yes
[01:55] <ajmitch> build with -fno-stack-protector & it should all be happy
[01:55] <crimsun> in other words, is the -fno-stack-protector necessary?
[01:55] <slavik> I couldn't tell you, I doubt get to learn cool stuff in college :(
[01:55] <crimsun> right
[01:55] <ajmitch> crimsun: usually building with -fno-stack-protector makes the bad erros go away
[01:56] <slavik> how would I create a -dev package from source?
[01:56] <bhale> ssp used to be called __guard_*
[01:56] <bhale> but that was ages ago
[01:56] <crimsun> slavik: it has nothing to do with -dev
[01:56] <bhale> before gcc mainline
[01:56] <slavik> so, what is -dev?
[01:56] <bhale> im too old to be useful
[01:56] <bhale> slavik: in what context?
[01:57] <slavik> bhale: valgrind
[02:01] <rmjb> just did up a man page, is there a quick way to test it?
[02:03] <mr_pouit> nroff -man youmanpage.1 | less
[02:03] <rmjb> thanks!
[02:03] <slavik> can I add the -fno-stack-protector to the configure script?
[02:04] <minghua> man -l manpage.1 is probably easier
[02:05] <crimsun> slavik: certainly.
[02:05] <crimsun> slavik: and by "add" I presume you mean "pass"
[02:05] <slavik> yes
[02:06] <slavik> just as a regular option?
[02:06] <crimsun> (just append it to C{,XX}FLAGS)
[02:06] <slavik> after configure?
[02:06] <crimsun> CFLAGS=bah CXXFLAGS=blah ./configure [..]
[02:06] <slavik> ahh, ty
[02:06] <crimsun> (modify debian/rules)
[02:07] <slavik> crimsun: is that the same as puttin a semicolon between the 3?
[02:07] <crimsun> slavik: sorry, what 3?
[02:07] <slavik> that you wrote 4 lines ago
[02:07] <slavik> the CFLAGS
[02:08] <slavik> 'VAR=val; command' vs. 'VAR=val command'
[02:08] <slavik> what is the difference?
[02:08] <crimsun> no, it's not the same.
[02:08] <crimsun> you want ./configure to inherit the $CFLAGS and $CXXFLAGS values
[02:08] <slavik> but what if I set them for the current shell does it look for them?
[02:09] <crimsun> yes, ./configure should
[02:09] <crimsun> (why aren't you using a pbuilder?)
[02:09] <slavik> umm ... never heard of it
[02:09] <slavik> in valgrind case, is this correct? 'CFLAGS=-fno-stack-protector CXXFLAGS=-fno-stack-protector ./configure' ???
[02:09] <crimsun> checkinstall causes no small amount of pain. Please don't inflict it on us. :)
[02:10] <slavik> k
[02:10] <crimsun> slavik: that would clobber any previous values for C{,XX}FLAGS
[02:10] <slavik> I see
[02:13] <slavik> creating a pbuilder environment ...
[02:14] <slavik> so ... on with compiling :)
[02:14] <lifeless> Riddell: around ?
[02:15] <ajmitch> StevenK: got any notification of approval for wlassistant yet?
[02:18] <rmjb> I'll be the first... Hobbsee!!!
[02:19] <ajmitch> darn
[02:19] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hey rmjb
[02:20] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch!
[02:20] <rmjb> a lot of you guys "know" each other from UDSes and so on?
[02:20] <slavik> those never happen in NYC :(
[02:21] <secretlondon> Hobbsee!
[02:21] <fernando> hi Hobbsee
[02:21] <secretlondon> rmjb: I've never met anyone from ubuntu in the flesh
[02:22] <Hobbsee> hey secretlondon, fernando
[02:22] <ajmitch> rmjb: UDS, LCA, or otherwise
[02:22] <ajmitch> or frequently just irc
[02:22] <hub> UBZ for me
[02:23] <hub> just because I was tere
[02:23] <hub> rmjb: Linux Conf Australia
[02:23] <rmjb> oh
[02:24] <slavik> hmm, someone needs to build anjuta2 with all plugins and put 1.2.4 back ...
[02:24] <PriceChild> night all
[02:24] <rmjb> is debian/changelog the only place the distro's version is listed?
[02:24] <fernando> hi PriceChild
[02:24] <rmjb> g'night PriceChild
[02:24] <PriceChild> hi fernando
[02:24] <secretlondon> night pricechild
[02:24] <rmjb> secretlondon: what is it?
[02:24] <PriceChild> bye fernando
[02:24] <secretlondon> rmjb: I'm poking at frostwire
[02:24] <LaserJock> secretlondon: go get some soap and wash out your pbuider
[02:24] <secretlondon> it needs doing
[02:25] <fernando> somebody using kopete + telepathy?
[02:25] <secretlondon> i need to work out how to get it out of subversion first
[02:25] <rmjb> secretlondon: I've found putting java-gcj-compat-dev as a dependency on my java package provided EVERYTHING I needed, except for swt which was specific
[02:44] <StevenK> ajmitch: Yup. Thanks a lot.
[02:44] <ajmitch> alright
[02:44] <ajmitch> ping me in a week or so once it need to go to -updates
[02:47] <StevenK> ajmitch: Aye.
[03:21] <joejaxx> ajmitch: 36  Fluxbuntu  203^   on the 7 day stats
[03:22] <joejaxx> Simon80_: :)
[03:22] <joejaxx> secretlondon: * :)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> heh.  smart
[03:23] <StevenK> Is it called Linda?
[03:23] <ajmitch> sigh. distrowatch 'stats'
[03:23] <joejaxx> ajmitch: haha yeah
[03:23] <secretlondon> we already have linda
[03:23] <joejaxx> that 36 is probably supposed to be 360
[03:23] <StevenK> secretlondon: I know, I wrote it. :-)
[03:23] <secretlondon> :)
[03:24] <joejaxx> StevenK: really?
[03:24] <ajmitch> and the world hasn't been the same since
[03:24] <joejaxx> StevenK: i did not know that
[03:24] <joejaxx> when did you write it?
[03:24] <StevenK> Oh damn, now what have I done.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:24] <ajmitch> now the StevenK fanboys come out
[03:25] <Hobbsee> StevenK: FIX ALL THE BUGS!  KTHNKSBYE!
[03:25] <StevenK> I don't deserve fanboys. :-(
[03:25] <joejaxx> LOl
[03:25] <joejaxx> who wrote lintian?
[03:25] <crimsun> sameperson
[03:25] <StevenK> Many many people
[03:25] <StevenK> dark started it, if I recall.
[03:26] <crimsun> we just tag StevenK with it
[03:26] <joejaxx> ah ok :)
[03:26] <Lathiat> crimsun: along with an "its all your fault" footer? :)
[03:26] <crimsun> :p
[03:27] <crimsun> reminds me of keybuk's comment at TB when StevenK was affirmed as MOTU
[03:27] <StevenK> crimsun: Which?
[03:27] <crimsun> the one(s) regarding lintian
[03:27] <crimsun> (how much he loves you, etc.)
[03:27] <joejaxx> LOL
[03:27] <StevenK> I remember Keybuk saying "Yeah, don't do that again."
[03:48] <rendhalver> mornin'
[03:51] <joejaxx> Good Morning (GMT -5)
[03:52] <rendhalver> i got some spare time and was curious about a few things
[03:52] <rendhalver> like if there is a perl dev team for ubuntu
[03:53] <rendhalver> i was a perl dev for gentoo a while back and would like to help out with perl in ubuntu if help is needed
[03:54] <secretlondon> help is always needed
[03:54] <rendhalver> spiffy
[03:55] <rendhalver> i noticed there is a perl team in launchpad. i am guessing that would be a good place to start?
[03:55] <lastnode> rendhalver, one thing you could do is to look through the buglist for perl apps, and issue fixes, for a start that is
[03:55] <lastnode> rendhalver, or that, yes
[03:55] <rendhalver> or both :)
[04:05] <joejaxx> wow finally
[04:05] <joejaxx> i can have my 7 rows of tabs back in firefox
[04:08] <joejaxx> man i am SO happy it is not even funny
[04:08] <joejaxx> firefox two and its one row of tabs bah
[04:11] <rmjb> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, mplayer-nogui | mplayer, mencoder
[04:11] <rmjb> will install mplayer-nogui by default
[04:11] <rmjb> but if the user has mplayer the dep will be statisfied
[04:11] <rmjb> am I right?
[04:16] <Lathiat> joejaxx: ... 7 rows? ;p
[04:18] <joejaxx> Lathiat: yes
[04:18] <joejaxx> i normally have an average of 100 firefox tabs open
[04:18] <Lathiat> sheesh
[04:18] <Lathiat> why on earth do you need that many? ;p
[04:18] <joejaxx> monitoring :)
[04:18] <Lathiat> like i've been knwon to have 30-40 when doing something specific but not all the time ;p
[04:18] <Lathiat> monitoring?
[04:18] <joejaxx> yes
[04:18] <Lathiat> of?
[04:19] <fernando> joejaxx: already exists bookmark feature =) you can to use it
[04:19] <joejaxx> email, different sites, my sites (i have over 25 domains)
[04:19] <joejaxx> hmm what is
[04:19] <joejaxx> launchpad takes up alot
[04:19] <joejaxx> ubuntu wiki
[04:20] <joejaxx> debian docs
[04:20] <joejaxx> different forums
[04:20] <joejaxx> man someone is selling a SGI cluster
[04:20] <Lathiat> heh
[04:20] <joejaxx> http://cgi.ebay.com/SGI-2400-Server-origin_W0QQitemZ220050474411QQihZ012QQcategoryZ1484QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[04:21] <joejaxx> too bad i do not live in san jose
[04:21] <joejaxx> lol
[04:21] <joejaxx> 32 x 300mhz == 9.6Ghz
[04:21] <joejaxx> it looks so nice too
[04:22] <joejaxx> :(
[04:22] <joejaxx> Lol 750lbs haha
[04:23] <secretlondon> yum new hardware
[04:23] <ajmitch> and I make do with my 2 systems
[04:23] <joejaxx> any computer that sounds like a jet engine when you have it plugged in and before you turn it on
[04:23] <joejaxx> i like
[04:23] <joejaxx> haha
[04:23] <secretlondon> most of mine is old
[04:24] <joejaxx> fernando: haha
[04:24] <secretlondon> fernando: I doubt you wouldn't be seduced by a nice server cluster
[04:24] <joejaxx> man that sgi system is really nice
[04:25] <fernando> ;)
[04:26] <secretlondon> i would just look at it as i'd never be able to afford to turn it on
[04:26] <secretlondon> still nice tho
[04:28] <joejaxx> oh i whould definitely have a use for it
[04:28] <joejaxx> lol
[04:29] <joejaxx> fun stuff
[04:29] <joejaxx> too bad they do not want to ship it Lol
[04:41] <joejaxx> anyone know of a blackberry application for linux?
[04:41] <joejaxx> like how there is the palm device manager
[04:46] <rendhalver> joejaxx: i went looking for one but i couldn't find one
[04:49] <imbrandon> moins all
[04:49] <joejaxx> hello imbrandon
[04:49] <fernando> imbrandon: moin
[04:50] <secretlondon> hi brandon
[04:51] <joejaxx> is there a way
[04:51] <joejaxx> nevermind
[04:51] <rendhalver> joejaxx: i did find a forum post about getting a blackberry to work in linux
[04:51] <joejaxx> basically i want to see what you all think about this
[04:52] <rendhalver> joejaxx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190938
[04:52] <joejaxx> i want to buy a couple of blade servers with no hard drives and netboot them to a bootstrap environment and have sshd run and have the storage on the ltspd and basically just use the cpu power and that is it
[04:52] <joejaxx> does that sound like a good idea?
[04:53] <rendhalver> sounds like fun either way
[04:53] <rendhalver> should be possible with ltsp
[04:53] <joejaxx> rendhalver: lol
[04:53] <joejaxx> rendhalver: ok
[04:53] <Kingsqueak> I might have found a small xorg Xsession.d bug/issue, is this the right channel to point that out?
[04:53] <rendhalver> or you could try edubuntu :P
[04:54] <joejaxx> rendhalver: i run edubuntu ltsp+tc on vmware lol
[04:54] <joejaxx> omgponieslol: Lol
[04:54] <crimsun> I'm highly offended
[04:54] <joejaxx> rendhalver: ltsp is fun
[04:55] <lastnode> imbrandon, ping, got a sec for a /query?
[04:55] <joejaxx> crimsun: who offended you?
[04:55] <imbrandon> lastnode: sure
[04:55] <rendhalver> joejaxx: indeed it is i setup an office with edubuntu and it works great
[04:55] <joejaxx> searches*
[04:55] <joejaxx> rendhalver: nice
[04:56] <joejaxx> rendhalver: i am going to try this method you just posted for me :)
[04:56] <imbrandon> Kingsqueak: they "right" way ( and to make sure it gets fixed ) is to verify its reporduceable and file a bug on LP ( http://launchpad.net )
[04:56] <rendhalver> joejaxx: let me know if it works
[04:56] <joejaxx> rendhalver: ok i will
[04:57] <rendhalver> joejaxx: i am seriously considering getting a fleet of blackberrys for my business and it would suck if it wont work with linux
[04:57] <crimsun> joejaxx: ponies are sacred, dude.
[04:57] <rendhalver> joejaxx: thanks dude
[04:57] <joejaxx> rendhalver: you are most welcome
[04:58] <rendhalver> :)
[04:58] <joejaxx> rendhalver: :)
[04:58] <joejaxx> blackberries are quite useful
[04:58] <Kingsqueak> imbrandon: k
[04:58] <joejaxx> crimsun: yes
[05:00] <rendhalver> joejaxx: blackberrys can do imap right?
[05:01] <joejaxx> rendhalver: that i do not know
[05:01] <joejaxx> rendhalver: email goes through the blackberry enterprise server
[05:02] <joejaxx> i think there has to be a middleware
[05:02] <rendhalver> joejaxx: i am assuming that only runs on windows servers?
[05:02] <joejaxx> to do it
[05:03] <joejaxx> rendhalver: yeah
[05:03] <rendhalver> joejaxx: damn
[05:03] <ajmitch> crimsun: just how sacred?
[05:05] <joejaxx> rendhalver: you are going to be paying for blackberry data services right?
[05:06] <joejaxx> you might be able to get a third party email app
[05:06] <joejaxx> but it depends on what model blackberry you get
[05:07] <Kingsqueak> rendhalver: I would tell you to reconsider blackberry unless you already run Exchange
[05:07] <joejaxx> hello minghua
[05:07] <minghua> hi joejaxx
[05:07] <Kingsqueak> rendhalver: I just watched an attempted Zimbra install to replace Exchange/Blackberry Enterprise and it doesn't work, Blackberry has people by the short ones basically
[05:08] <Kingsqueak> rendhalver: Treo with imaps works pretty well as an alternative
[05:08] <rendhalver> Kingsqueak: yeah i figured that might be the case
[05:08] <rendhalver> Kingsqueak: yeah treo's were the other option i have been considering
[05:08] <Kingsqueak> rendhalver: the 'Blackberry solutions' all seem to be store and forward, dependent on at least one Exhange/Bberry instance too
[05:09] <jabra> hey guys
[05:09] <jabra> anyone around ?
[05:09] <fernando> hi jabra
[05:09] <joejaxx> hello jabra
[05:09] <joejaxx> welcome :)
[05:09] <jabra> heh thanks
[05:09] <joejaxx> pbnj?
[05:09] <Kingsqueak> rendhalver: Motorola Q works pretty well with imap too, one thing to keep in mind though is that imap on Verizon the way their system works, eats the batteries, where PCS and GSM seem to be better at dealing with the polling
[05:09] <jabra> heh
[05:09] <joejaxx> was it updated yet?
[05:09] <jabra> joejaxx: how did you know ?
[05:10] <jabra> it has been accepted into debian
[05:10] <joejaxx> i am insomnia
[05:10] <jabra> heh
[05:10] <rendhalver> Kingsqueak: i live in .au and i haven't seen Q's here yet
[05:10] <Kingsqueak> Blackberry does have an awesome interface though...pisses me off that I can't work around it
[05:10] <Kingsqueak> rendhalver: ah sort of their slimline version of a Treo
[05:10] <rendhalver> Kingsqueak: the Q does look kinda spiffy too
[05:10] <jabra> wondering how I can help to move along the process of getting pbnj and libnmap-parser-perl into ubuntu
[05:11] <ajmitch> jabra: if they're in sid, they'll be in feisty (or will be soon)
[05:11] <Kingsqueak> going to a Treo 700p most likely myself in a few weeks to get rid of the corp Blackberry and get down to a single device, been mulling over this for a while
[05:11] <joejaxx> ajmitch: fromthe sync/merges right?
[05:11] <Kingsqueak> rendhalver: Zimbra is awesome otherwise btw, if you want an alternative to Exchange, I highly recommend trying it out
[05:11] <ajmitch> joejaxx: yes, semi-automatically
[05:12] <fernando> [101%]  Building CXX object kabc/plugins/ldapkio/CMakeFiles/kabc_ldapkio.dir/resourceldapkio.o
[05:12] <fernando> [102%]  Generating resourceldapkioconfig.moc
[05:12] <jabra> ajmitch: they are both in debian unstable
[05:12] <fernando> hehehehe
[05:12] <ajmitch> jabra: then you just have to wait
[05:12] <jabra> ok
[05:13] <jabra> thanks ajmitch
[05:14] <joejaxx> jabra: great now i will be able to test on here
[05:14] <joejaxx> :)
[05:14] <joejaxx> :P
[05:14] <rendhalver> Kingsqueak: thanks dude.
[05:14] <jabra> heh joejaxx
[05:14] <rmjb> g'night all
[05:15] <joejaxx> goodnight rmjb
[05:16] <Kingsqueak> no problem, corp email is a pain
[05:16] <rexbron> hello, I am attempting to package Celtx, oss screenwritting software, what in the control file, what section do you think this would fall under?
[05:25] <joejaxx> oh man
[05:25] <joejaxx> Lathiat: i just found another on
[05:25] <joejaxx> Sun Ultra Enterprise 10000 Server
[05:26] <rendhalver> joejaxx: a friend of mine works at a uni here and he gets to play with 2 E-15k's
[05:27] <joejaxx> rendhalver: darn him :(
[05:28] <rendhalver> joejaxx: and he has a sun blade for a desktop box
[05:28] <joejaxx> :(
[05:28] <joejaxx> http://cgi.ebay.com/Sun-Ultra-Enterprise-10000-Server-Fully-Loaded_W0QQitemZ290051810751QQihZ019QQcategoryZ51239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[05:28] <joejaxx> look at that
[05:28] <rendhalver> one slight problem
[05:29] <rendhalver> you got three phase power?
[05:29] <joejaxx> rendhalver: :(
[05:29] <rendhalver> but i guess for $26 you could afford to get three phase power
[05:29] <joejaxx> ROFL 581USD to ship
[05:30] <rendhalver> that cant be right
[05:30] <joejaxx> this thing is loaded
[05:31] <joejaxx> 32gb of ram
[05:31] <joejaxx> 16GHz processing power
[05:31] <joejaxx> each mother board has fibrechannel
[05:31] <rendhalver> yeah they are very nice
[05:31] <joejaxx> and a scsi card
[05:31] <rendhalver> sigh
[05:31] <joejaxx> yeah
[05:31] <joejaxx> too bad this cost 581 to ship
[05:31] <joejaxx> :(
[05:31] <joejaxx> rendhalver: nice
[05:32] <rendhalver> 581 sounds too cheep for shipping
[05:33] <joejaxx> that is 3 day freight
[05:33] <rexbron> could some one assitme (or point me to the right documentation) on how to package a program the does not need to be compiled? In this case, celtx just needs to be copyed to /usr/local/ and a menu entry added.
[05:33] <rexbron> * assist me
[05:33] <lifeless> anyone here good with gimp ?
[05:33] <lifeless> I need a new icon for the hwdb-client
[05:33] <rendhalver> lifeless: sorta what you need?
[05:33] <lifeless> one for 'contact details'
[05:34] <lifeless> have you seen the hwdb-client ? (you can see it by running 'hwdb-gui' from a terminal
[05:34] <rexbron> Burgwork: Could you assist me (or point me to the right documentation) on how to package a program the does not need to be compiled? In this case, celtx just needs to be copyed to /usr/local/ and a menu entry added.
[05:34] <secretlondon> rexbron: there are loads of packaging tutorials
[05:34] <joejaxx> !packaging
[05:34] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[05:34] <secretlondon> the official packaging guide has an appendix with a list
[05:35] <joejaxx> that is a really good guide btw rendhalver
[05:35] <joejaxx> bah
[05:35] <joejaxx> rexbron: *
[05:35] <rendhalver> joejaxx: spiffy :)
[05:35] <joejaxx> rendhalver: well time to continue my quest for a mainframe  Lol
[05:36] <rendhalver> joejaxx: the packaging guide? or the blavkberry guide?
[05:37] <joejaxx> rendhalver: it was for rexbron actually
[05:37] <joejaxx> irssi nick autocomplete ftw/l
[05:37] <rendhalver> joejaxx: i need to read it anyways if i am gonna be useful here
[05:38] <rendhalver> joejaxx: still converting my packages building skills from gentoo
[05:38] <joejaxx> rendhalver: :)
[05:39] <rendhalver> joejaxx: how about one of these http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/sunfire_e25k/index.xml ?
[05:41] <joejaxx> Lol
[05:41] <joejaxx> UltraSprac IV+ 72 cpus
[05:42] <joejaxx> man that is great haha :)
[05:42] <joejaxx> 1tb if ram
[05:43] <rendhalver> joejaxx: :) and oneday we might see those on ebay when they release the e50k
[05:43] <secretlondon> joejaxx: you need one to, err, test the sparc port on
[05:43] <joejaxx> rendhalver: nice
[05:44] <joejaxx> secretlondon: no i just like computers that are built for those purposes
[05:44] <secretlondon> joejaxx: I know you don't *need* one, I was thinking of you to justify someone giving you one, say
[05:45] <joejaxx> oh
[05:45] <joejaxx> i could actually use it if i had one
[05:45] <secretlondon> joejaxx: I'm not sure I'm making any sense
[05:45] <secretlondon> I don't have one, I was joking about how you'd try and get one from the manufacturer
[05:46] <joejaxx> no i actually meant i could use one
[05:46] <joejaxx> Lol
[05:46] <joejaxx> secretlondon: i know you were joking
[05:46] <secretlondon> joejaxx: phew!
[05:46] <joejaxx> secretlondon: grid compuing
[05:46] <joejaxx> copmuting*
[05:46] <joejaxx> bah
[05:46] <joejaxx> computing*
[05:47] <joejaxx> is what i whould use it for
[05:49] <joejaxx> welcome back
[06:00] <corky> some one pls give hand with a net prob?
[06:01] <VoX> corky: this isnt really an ubuntu support channel as such
[06:02] <secretlondon> #ubuntu is the support channel
[06:12] <imbrandon> woot, no beryl / compiz for kde4 , its built into kwin now ( and actualy compiles and works it looks like )
[06:12] <imbrandon> *whew*
[06:13] <corky> so just giv e me a hand ..no one else willl
[06:14] <VoX> corky: this isnt a support channel, this is a maintainers channel
[06:14] <VoX> go to #ubuntu. if you dont get get a reply straight away, wait 10 minutes and ask again.
[06:24] <lifeless> you can also suggest the answers system in launchpad for support
[06:26] <VoX> lifeless: as it was a network problem, chances are it wouldnt go anywhere, literally. :)
[06:26] <lifeless> VoX: he was online already
[06:26] <lifeless> VoX: so clearly thats beside the point :)
[06:27] <VoX> SHHH
[06:27] <VoX> dont bring logic into this
[06:28] <secretlondon> he may be in a windows partition
[06:34] <imbrandon> lifeless: yea logic and computing dont mix well </sarcasim>
[06:34] <imbrandon> :)
[06:34] <joejaxx> lol
[06:35] <imbrandon> lifeless: finaly get back "to your own time" heh
[06:35] <secretlondon> of course you don't consider that they have more than one box
[06:35] <lifeless> imbrandon: yup, happy to be so too :)
[06:35] <imbrandon> :)
[06:38] <joejaxx> secretlondon: that could be true
[06:38] <joejaxx> one windows one ubuntu
[06:39] <imbrandon> food time, bbiab
[06:39] <secretlondon> many people have windows partitions and will use that to find help if they cannot, say, get their wifi working in ubuntu
[06:39] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:40] <LaserJock> I just booted into Windows and installed the ie7 update :(
[06:40] <LaserJock> I feel so dirty
[06:40] <imbrandon> hahaha
[06:41] <imbrandon> as you should ( just kidding as i'm typing this from a osx console ssh'd into a server )
[06:41] <secretlondon> well i'm pure writing this from dapper (as I have a nasty regression in edgy)
[06:42] <elkbuntu> im trying to think when this PC was last booted into windows... and i cant actually remember
[06:42] <imbrandon> you know i was looking at the new mbp's, and the only thing i could think of while looking the specs over is "cool i can boot OSX,Windows, AND Linux all natively on this thing"
[06:42] <imbrandon> :)
[06:42] <rendhalver> i had a windows parition on here but it decuded to not work about 6 months ago and i still don't miss it
[06:43] <rendhalver> imbrandon: geek
[06:43] <imbrandon> rendhalver: to the heart
[06:44] <ajmitch> people use windows?
[06:44] <secretlondon> ajmitch: bug #1
[06:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ubuntu-meta "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[06:44] <rendhalver> apparently they do
[06:44] <imbrandon> the only reason i ever boot windows is tooo, ummm laugh for 5 minutes
[06:44] <ajmitch> secretlondon: reject it
[06:44] <secretlondon> imbrandon: macos is no better
[06:44] <elkbuntu> secretlondon, run. now.
[06:44] <imbrandon> secretlondon: osx is much better
[06:45] <lastnode> as soon as skype releases a video option for *nix, im half way to rm -rf /media/hda1
[06:45] <rendhalver> i got bored with os x
[06:45] <rendhalver> and i missed linux too much
[06:45] <imbrandon> osx is atleaste partly open ( the core of the os and kernel ) , and is a unixy and runs floss natively easier than windows , and the list go's on
[06:45] <secretlondon> i've never bought into apple's advertising
[06:45] <elkbuntu> i've never owned a mac, unfortunately :(
[06:45] <rendhalver> imbrandon: i think they recently closed the os x kernel
[06:46] <secretlondon> I know about darwin - but is still seems to be aimed at people who think they are too cool for windows, but actually they are both closed source and really similar
[06:46] <imbrandon> rendhalver: no, they reciently opened it ( it was only closed for a short time on intel )
[06:46] <imbrandon> secretlondon: darwin is very very far from closed source :)
[06:46] <lastnode> ajmitch, throwing it around the room? :P
[06:46] <rendhalver> imbrandon: ah thats what it was about then
[06:46] <ajmitch> lastnode: no, using it
[06:46] <secretlondon> of course  - although the open darwin project has closed
[06:46] <lastnode> i see
[06:47] <imbrandon> secretlondon: only the website, infavor of macforge
[06:47] <imbrandon> just a change in hosts
[06:47] <imbrandon> ( i think you mean darwin ports , and yes that is gone , infavor of fink )
[06:47] <rendhalver> ok random question
[06:48] <ajmitch> back later :)
[06:48] <rendhalver> i spotted someone saying stuff gets portsed from sid to ubuntu
[06:48] <joejaxx> rendhalver: yes sync'd/merged
[06:48] <secretlondon> imbrandon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDarwin
[06:48] <imbrandon> rendhalver: yea the majority of ubuntu packages come directly from sid
[06:48] <rendhalver> and being not very aware of debian versions is sid the testing branch or the stable branch?
[06:49] <secretlondon> sid = unstable
[06:49] <rendhalver> cool
[06:49] <rendhalver> thanks
[06:49] <rendhalver> so next question
[06:49] <imbrandon> sid == stays in development
[06:49] <rendhalver> how long does stuff take to get bought into ubuntu from sid?
[06:49] <secretlondon> or the boy next door who breaks your toys
[06:49] <joejaxx> rendhalver: week week and a half?
[06:49] <rendhalver> imbrandon: thats logical and obvious now thanks
[06:49] <joejaxx> imbrandon: right?
[06:50] <secretlondon> it's synced for the next version, before the version is frozen
[06:50] <imbrandon> rendhalver: depends on the time in the cycle, right this minute, only a few hours, after a freeze it can take weeks
[06:50] <secretlondon> so stuff is going from sid to feisty
[06:50] <rendhalver> cool
[06:51] <imbrandon> also depends ont he package , if there are ubuntu delta's , if its in main, if its in universe, how big the changes are, how many people "look after" the package and so on
[06:51] <imbrandon> but as a general rule , before freeze in a cycle less than a day, after freeze could be weeks
[06:53] <rendhalver> and packages get ported back to edgy or dapper from there right?
[06:54] <secretlondon> backports are a different thing - they don't happen automatically on a stable version
[06:54] <imbrandon> secretlondon: right, thats what i said the website only,l darwin is still open source and will continue to be, opendarwin.org was a 3rd party running it , see http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/
[06:55] <imbrandon> anyhow , food time bbiab
[06:55] <rendhalver> secretlondon: thats understandable
[06:56] <rendhalver> i am guessing security fixes get back ported pretty quick
[06:56] <imbrandon> yes -security and sru and pakports are all diffrent ( but similar ) animals
[06:57] <secretlondon> sru = stable release updates
[06:58] <rendhalver> cool
[06:58] <crimsun> Uploading via ftp flashplugin-nonfree_<IP_ADDRESS>~ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[06:58] <keescook> rendhalver: security fixes in main get backported very quickly.  universe security updates needs some attention, though.  if there are people with some time to package and test them, I'm more than happy to push them through the security update channel.  :)
[06:59] <keescook> yay new flushplugin!
[07:00] <rendhalver> keescook: packaging is something i am still learning
[07:00] <minghua> crimsun: what colors are the pills this time? :-)
[07:00] <rendhalver> keescook: still wrapping my head around it
[07:00] <keescook> rendhalver: cool, me too.  ;)
[07:01] <secretlondon> rendhalver: me too!
[07:01] <keescook> the motu wiki guides are pretty cool
[07:01] <joejaxx> hello everyone
[07:01] <keescook> all I know is that I love debuild and debdiff.  :)
[07:01] <keescook> hiya joejaxx
[07:01] <rendhalver> unless someone can help me port my gentoo packaging skills to debian
[07:02] <keescook> rendhalver: I've found it much easier to make small changes to existing packages than to do it from scratch.
[07:02] <keescook> so, for example, doing universe security update packaging would be great practice.  :)
[07:02] <rendhalver> keescook: yeah thats how i learn new most things
[07:02] <rendhalver> keescook: heh
[07:03] <rendhalver> keescook: so this is a subtle ask for help?
[07:04] <crimsun> minghua: white. for death.
[07:04] <elkbuntu> crimsun, aww, i was hoping for rainbow :(
[07:04] <keescook> rendhalver: hehe.  subtle?  who me?  :)  I just mean that if you happen to pick security updates, it's an area I can give you some feedback on.  :)
[07:04] <rendhalver> keescook: i have a dual boot of edgy and a feisty here
[07:05] <keescook> rendhalver: cool.  I've got some crazy chroot magic going on.  I keep meaning to write up a wiki page about it (schroot + sbuild == crazy delicious)
[07:06] <rendhalver> keescook: yeah i was mucking about with a chroot a while ago
[07:12] <rendhalver> keescook: then i got bored and started running edgy as my default desktop (yes months before it got released)
[07:13] <LaserJock> keescook: would a MOTU Security team help?
[07:13] <LaserJock> sorry, was just reading backlog
[07:19] <LaserJock> keescook: also, have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto
[07:20] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hehe and what 5 of the 10 would be on that one ? ( sorry for the sarcasim , had to say it )
[07:20] <LaserJock> you of course
[07:20] <imbrandon> hahaha /me is no good at keeping up with security updates
[07:21] <crimsun> this error is ... insane
[07:21] <crimsun> I got an accepted from soyuz followed immediately by a rejected
[07:21] <imbrandon> wow
[07:21] <crimsun> which one do I trust, the accepted or the rejected?
[07:22] <imbrandon> hrm , probably accepted THEN rejected? dunno check LP hehe
[07:22] <LaserJock> is there any message with the rejected
[07:23] <crimsun> that's insane; it's in DONE according to the feisty queue LP page
[07:23] <crimsun> so now I have like three different answers
[07:23] <nixternal> if there are no ubuntu fixes on a package, leave it with the (package-x.x.x-x) unstable;?
[07:23] <nixternal> package (x.x.x-x) unstable;
[07:23] <nixternal> tis what i meant
[07:24] <crimsun> if it was accepted, the done makes sense, but then why did I get the rejected?
[07:24] <LaserJock> crimsun: soyuz just wants to play around with you
[07:24] <crimsun> I guess it was looking for either a pony sacrifice or a pills tagline, neither of which I attached
[07:25] <LaserJock> nixternal: you shouldn't be doing anything then
[07:25] <nixternal> new upstream source, and it isn't in debian either
[07:25] <nixternal> guide me obi wan
[07:25] <secretlondon> wb hobbsee
[07:25] <Hobbsee> hey sed
[07:25] <Hobbsee> * hey secretlondon
[07:25] <LaserJock> nixternal: if it isn't in debian then it has a -0ubuntu1 version
[07:25] <crimsun> sed, now there's a nice nick ;)
[07:26] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:26] <nixternal> well, i just did a apt-get source and the one currently in our repos doesn't have the -0ubuntu1, so i should add it is what youa re saying then?
[07:26] <Hobbsee> someone can have screwed up the versioning
[07:27] <LaserJock> nixternal: what?
[07:27] <LaserJock> nixternal: what is the package and current version?
[07:27] <nixternal> smb4k 0.7.3-1
[07:27] <nixternal> that is in our repos
[07:28] <nixternal> current which im working on now is 0.7.4
[07:28] <crimsun> it needs to be 0.7.4-0ubuntu1
[07:28] <nixternal> thanks crimsun!
[07:28] <crimsun> 0.7.3-1 is in testing and unstable.
[07:29] <LaserJock> so the package is in Debian, just not that particular version
[07:43] <crimsun> nixternal: 6180 is fine being rej
[07:49] <nixternal> ok crimsun, just wanted to be a little safe there since it was kind of old..i have run across some where people get upset when you close a 2 year old bug ;)
[07:51] <secretlondon> even when it's on something like brezzy beta
[07:52] <nixternal> hehe ya
[07:53] <crimsun> didn't I file that one, heh?
[07:54] <crimsun> I don't at all mind others closing bugs :)
[07:58] <nixternal> yup
[08:17] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3505
[08:17] <nixternal> ^^ who wants to revu that for me?  thank you ;)
[08:35] <minghua> In Debian/Ubuntu we use /lib and /usr/lib for the native libraries on both 32-bit and 64-bit arches, don't we?  No lib64 madness, right?
[08:35] <StevenK> steven@liquified:~% ls -lh /lib64
[08:35] <StevenK> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2005-12-25 13:15 /lib64 -> lib
[08:36] <minghua> cool, thanks
[08:36] <StevenK> Hrm. I had no idea I had 32 bit libc on this machine.
[08:37] <StevenK> minghua: My 32 bit chroot has no such directory, though.
[08:39] <minghua> StevenK: neither does my chroot on this 32-bit machine
[08:40] <minghua> I suppose most of the stuff there is installed by libc6-amd64
[08:40] <crimsun> err, you don't have a /usr/lib32 ?
[08:41] <minghua> (which is Priority: standard, and I don't understand why)
[08:41] <crimsun> oh, right, you wouldn't unless you installed specific 32-bit libs
[08:41] <minghua> crimsun: no, I meant only /lib, no /lib64 in chroot
[08:41] <minghua> oh, I see you are not talking to me :-)
[08:42] <minghua> anyway, back to fixing this crazy package
[09:02] <Riddell> lifeless: hi
[09:06] <minghua> Ugh.   Forgot to update patches/00list after adding a new patch.  I always forget that.
[09:11] <nixternal> anyone availble to revu, please check out http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3506
[09:11] <nixternal> thank you
[09:14] <Riddell> nixternal: looking
[09:14] <nixternal> thanks Riddell, i have smb4k up there as well
[09:15] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3505
[09:18] <Riddell> nixternal: tellico hasn't been merged with debian
[09:20] <nixternal> so it has to be merged with debian first?
[09:20] <Riddell> neither has smb4k
[09:20] <nixternal> i knew that, after you said that about tellico
[09:20] <Riddell> of course, we must always keep as close to debian as possible unless there's a reason not to
[09:21] <nixternal> so i should poke a dd sot hey can merge
[09:21] <Riddell> no, you should download the current debian version and start with that package, not the current (older) ubuntu packages
[09:21] <nixternal> ahhhh
[09:22] <Riddell> merging in the old ubuntu changelog entries if you want to do it properly
[09:22] <nixternal> so merge their 1.2.4-1 into our 1.2.2, and then upgrade to 1.2.6
[09:23] <Riddell> start with their 1.2.4-1, merge old ubuntu changelog entries from our 1.2.2 and update for 1.2.6
[09:23] <nixternal> ya, thats what i mean
[09:23] <nixternal> t
[09:23] <nixternal> rocking! thanks
[09:48] <crimsun> anyone running feisty/amd64 willing to test a deb?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun imbrandon would be
[09:51] <crimsun> idle for a bit, though, probably Z
[09:52] <nixternal> send me an amd64 and i would be more than happy to test ;)
[09:52] <Lathiat> dell have some ridicuoyusly cheap amd laptops out now
[09:52] <Lathiat> $1400 for an x2 turion 15.4" w/ 80G hdd
[09:52] <Lathiat> (AUD)
[09:52] <Lathiat> only 1280x800 screen tho
[09:52] <nixternal> ya, i looked at those
[09:53] <nixternal> $299.99USD - AMD64 3200+/512MB/100GB/DVDRW
[09:54] <crimsun> heh, the problems that core 2 duos have w/ ubuntu make amd64s seem almost ideal ;)
[09:54] <nixternal> if that system is still in the store tomorrow, i will buy it so i can start playing aroudn with 64bit stuff
[10:15] <minghua> Is there a way to say "I know this package fails to build, but I want to wait for a fix in another package, so don't touch this one"?
[10:15] <crimsun> in terms of bugs, or...?
[10:17] <minghua> any way.  I thought of filing a bug, but I doubt every MOTU checks all bugs before they fix a FTBFS package
[10:17] <minghua> oh.  it's in main.  never mind...
[10:18] <nixternal> Riddell: what needed to be merged with smb4k?
[10:18] <nixternal> tellico is done btw
[10:19] <Riddell> debian has smb4k 0.7.3-1
[10:19] <Riddell> edgy has only 0.7.1-1
[10:20] <nixternal> and the latest release is 0.7.4
[10:20] <Riddell> yep, so start with debian's packaging of 0.7.3-1 and update for 0.7.4
[10:20] <nixternal> ahhh
[10:20] <nixternal> gotcha
[10:20] <nixternal> i was gonna say, we never made changes before
[10:20] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3507
[10:20] <nixternal> there is the new tellico
[10:23] <pygi> Riddell: there's a chance I might come next weekend to Pula, altought I won't be able to come with ivoks and rest of the folks
[10:24] <pygi> Riddell: for a little talk and gpg signing if you are willing ^_^
[10:24] <pygi> giskard: ping?
[10:28] <Riddell> pygi: weekend might not be the best time (just thinking of girlfriend reaction to lots of geeks showing up)
[10:28] <pygi> Riddell: just I would show up, but right :-/
[10:28] <pygi> and I'm no geek in any way ^_^
[10:30] <pygi> Riddell: okay, so I won't come then ...
[10:33] <sivang> Riddell: hehe
[10:38] <xerxas> Hi everyone
[10:39] <pygi> Riddell: friday might also be option next week , but I'll see...
[10:39] <xerxas> is there a motu here ?
[10:39] <pygi> xeros: ofcourse there is, this is motu channel
[10:39] <lastnode> xerxas, id just ask the question. this channel is obviously _full_ of MOTUs
[10:39] <xerxas> I have successfully compiled and launched gnash from debian unstable
[10:39] <lastnode> :-)
[10:40] <xerxas> under feisty
[10:40] <xerxas> what should I do ?
[10:40] <pygi> Laser_away: IHMO that's why it's called #u-motu :)))
[10:40] <xerxas> request a sync ? (there's no gnash yet in ubuntu)
[10:40] <xerxas> sumbit de revu ?
[10:40] <pygi> lastnode: that and the He-Man dude :P
[10:41] <nixternal> xerxas: i would go with revu as the best bet
[10:41] <lastnode> xerxas, go for REVU
[10:41] <lastnode> pygi, heh :-)
[10:41] <xerxas> nixternal,  I didn't modified anything !
[10:41] <xerxas> anyway ...
[10:41] <pygi> xeros: just request sync then ^_^
[10:41] <lastnode> xerxas, if this is from sarge, it should just be synced
[10:41] <xerxas> do I need to change the release with a ubunut1 suffix ?
[10:41] <nixternal> i seen gnash i thought
[10:41] <lastnode> sorry
[10:41] <lastnode> s/sarge/sid
[10:41] <lastnode> damn S names :\
[10:41] <pygi> xeros: just request a sync ^_^
[10:42] <xerxas> ok , how do I do that ?
[10:42] <pygi> xeros: you report bug ^_^
[10:42] <xerxas> ok thanks !
[10:42] <pygi> yw ^_^
[10:43] <Kagou> hi
[10:45] <nixternal> Riddell: smb4k and tellico are done
[10:45] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3508
[10:45] <nixternal> that is smb4k
[10:45] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3507
[10:45] <nixternal> and there is tellico
[10:45] <nixternal> thanks!
[10:49] <ajmitch> Laser_away: we've talked about/tried a universe security team a few times
[10:50] <ajmitch> but few people have the time to commit, as usual
[10:50] <xerxas> my edgy doesn't have /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/feisty
[10:50] <xerxas> where do I find it ?
[10:50] <pygi> xeros: you install deboostrap package from feisty
[10:50] <ajmitch> that's because you don't have debootstrap installed from feisty, or edgy-backports
[10:50] <sivang> xerxas: either copy the prvious file, or find the fesity deboostrap package
[10:50] <lastnode_> xerxas, get the feisty deboostrap package
[10:51] <lastnode_> ok, i have to stop talking when im lagging
[10:51] <ajmitch> there, 4 answers almost exactly the same
[10:51] <lastnode> i wonder though, does anyone here run grumpy, and is there actually a deboostrap script?
[10:52] <Riddell> grumpy doesn't exist yet
[10:52] <ajmitch> and grumpy is not intended to be a distro for end users by any means
[10:52] <lastnode> i see, i just saw it on the wiki and thought i was a sid equiv
[10:52] <lastnode> ajmitch, no of course not, but im a masochist
[10:52] <ajmitch> no, it's far far beyond what sid offers
[10:52] <lastnode> oh right, grumpy is like sid during puberty?
[10:53] <ajmitch> grumpy is everything build from bleeding-edge cvs, without testing
[10:53] <Riddell> sid is released software
[10:53] <lastnode> i see
[10:53] <ajmitch> not packages that are carefully crafted & put into a distro
[10:53] <lastnode> i see, so sid _and_ grumpy both feed the latest testing
[10:54] <ajmitch> no
[10:54] <ajmitch> grumpy doesn't exist yet
[10:54] <lastnode> right, sorry, i meant when it does
[10:54] <ajmitch> not necessarily
[10:54] <ajmitch> grumpy (will be) is an ubuntu project done on launchpad
[10:55] <Riddell> ubuntu doesn't have a testing distro
[10:55] <lastnode> right
[10:58] <StevenK> Riddell: Just so you know, wlassistant thrown to -proposed, waiting for -archive to approve or deny it.
[10:58] <xerxas> thanks guys, worked !
[10:58] <lastnode> xerxas, sweet.
[10:59] <Riddell> StevenK: great
[11:00] <xerxas> If I file a sync request for a package that isn't in ubuntu, what is the package of the bug ?
[11:00] <ajmitch> xerxas: if it's in debian, I wouldn't bother
[11:00] <xerxas> "In what package did you find this bug?"
[11:00] <lastnode> ajmitch, there is a DD who said he'd sponsor Fujitsu to upload upstream-0.1 to debian, im asking him if he wouldn't mind me emailing the guy with a CC to Fujitsu :-)
[11:00] <xerxas> ajmitch,  I should replay "I don't know" ?
[11:00] <ajmitch> lastnode: yes, I'm in #d-d
[11:00] <ajmitch> xerxas: why are you trying to file a sync request?
[11:00] <lastnode> ajmitch, yes i gathered, i dunno why i just retyped all that.
[11:01] <xerxas> ajmitch,  in malone
[11:01] <xerxas> I should not ?
[11:01] <ajmitch> xerxas: *why*, not where
[11:01] <xerxas> ajmitch,  sorry  , morning :)
[11:01] <xerxas> ajmitch,  I tried to compile debian's gnahs
[11:01] <xerxas> gnash
[11:01] <lastnode> ajmitch, it's apparently in sid, but hasn't been synced over
[11:01] <xerxas> it worked (launches and no core dump )
[11:02] <ajmitch> so it will get imported
[11:02] <ajmitch> don't file a sync request
[11:02] <xerxas> ok
[11:02] <ajmitch> archive admins are processing all those, it takes a little while
[11:02] <rendhalver> ok another random question can i get the changelogs for a package in breezy via launchpad or something else?
[11:03] <lastnode> rendhalver, packages.ubuntu.com should let you do that
[11:03] <Riddell> changelogs.ubuntu.com
[11:03] <rendhalver> lastnode: spiffy thanks dude
[11:03] <lastnode> sorry, again, listen to Riddell :-)
[11:04] <Riddell> p.u.c also a good answer, probably better
[11:04] <rendhalver> Riddell: thanks :)
[11:04] <lastnode> rendhalver, if you go to packages, you can find your package and then view the changelog, might be easier than browsing through changelogs
[11:06] <rendhalver> i found an old bug that i think is fixed, just trying to tack down wether it actually is
[11:08] <lastnode> Riddell, ajmitch , again, im sure you guys are busy et al., but if you want some thing to play around with this week, id urge you to take Upstream (www.upstreamdev.org) for a spin. We're pushing hard for a 0.2 release at the end of the month, and always looking for thoughts/gripes/ideas. Edgy .debs available at http://upstreamdev.org/wiki/Releases/0.1.0 . :-)
[11:09] <lastnode> (that goes for everyone btw, please feel free).
[11:16] <crimsun> lastnode: not developing against Feisty?
[11:18] <xerxas> ajmitch,  so there should happen the same for mldonkey ?
[11:18] <xerxas> mldonkey has a new release in debian
[11:18] <xerxas> but it will be synced, no need to ask for
[11:19] <ajmitch>   mldonkey |    2.8.1-2 | http://apt-proxy feisty/universe Sources
[11:19] <xerxas> ajmitch, can I help in the process of syncing ? or where should I help ?
[11:19] <ajmitch> we already have what sid has
[11:19] <ajmitch> no, you can't help syncing, only archive admins can do that
[11:19] <xerxas> ahh , right, it's synced !
[11:20] <ajmitch> we do have a number of packages to manually merge changes in
[11:21] <lastnode> crimsun, oh we are, definitely
[11:33] <rendhalver> ok this bug i have been looking into is for breezy (#24591 if anyone wants to look at it)
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> bug #24591
[11:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 24591 in libapache2-mod-perl2 "request tracker's mod-perl2 config breaks in Breezy" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/24591
[11:34] <rendhalver> ooo tricky
[11:34] <Admiral_Chicago> oh wow i can't help you there, no apache on my system
[11:34] <rendhalver> the thing is i know why the bug is there
[11:35] <rendhalver> it was when mod_perl2 was updated and didnt include an Apache2.pm file pre 2.0 mod_perl i think
[11:35] <Admiral_Chicago> rendhalver: as much as i appreciate the bug talk, i know next to nothing about networking
[11:37] <rendhalver> Admiral_Chicago: its cool
[11:38] <Admiral_Chicago> let me look at your bug report though, i may be able to help
[11:38] <rendhalver> its a breezy bug and it got fixed in later versions
[11:38] <rendhalver> well i know it got fixed in edgy
[11:39] <Admiral_Chicago> rendhalver: i'd put the Breezy part in another comment, and put your suggestions on dow to fix it
[11:40] <Admiral_Chicago> because breezy hasn't reach its EoL, it may still affect people
[11:40] <rendhalver> the bug is actually in request-tracker and not mod_perl
[11:42] <xerxas> is there a facility to package something that generates on egg ?
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> what do I do with a bug that's just says "program is out"
[11:55] <ajmitch> Admiral_Chicago: kindly ask for more information?
[11:56] <ajmitch> if they mean that a new release has been made, they really put it in a strange way
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> ajmitch: i thought so
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> bug #72688
[11:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72688 in audacity "Audacity 1.2.6 is out" [Wishlist,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72688
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> ah that got fixed already
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> i dont have the privilages to change anything besides "needs more info"
[11:57] <crimsun> yes, I pbuilt it several hours ago and asked for testers in several channels. No one responded.
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> i was going to wish list it
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> crimsun: still need a tester?
[11:58] <crimsun> I need a feisty/amd64 tester.
[11:59] <Admiral_Chicago> crimsun: oh yes i saw that. i'm on edgy/x86
[12:00] <ajmitch> crimsun: of what package?
[12:00] <ajmitch> audacity?
[12:00] <crimsun> yes
[12:00] <ajmitch> url?
[12:00] <crimsun> http://adhd.irule.net/~crimsun/
[12:01] <ajmitch> what needs tested? whether it starts, or whether I can do basic editing?
[12:01] <crimsun> preferrably the latter
[12:02] <ajmitch> give me a few moments then
[12:02] <crimsun> exporting to mp3 won't work unless you have liblame0 installed
[12:02] <StevenK> crimsun: I can test it inside a chroot, if that helps.
[12:02] <crimsun> StevenK: yes, plesae
[12:02] <crimsun> gar
[12:03] <ajmitch> crimsun: ok, installed, imported mp3
[12:03] <mnepton> ADHD stands for Attention Deficit LET'S GO RIDE BIKES!
[12:04] <ajmitch> it'd be nice if I could play sound
[12:04] <ajmitch> Expression 'SetApproximateSampleRate( pcm, hwParams, sr )' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 1108
[12:04] <ajmitch> Expression 'PaAlsaStreamComponent_InitialConfigure( &self->playback, outParams, self->primeBuffers, hwParamsPlayback, &realSr )' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 1662
[12:04] <ajmitch> various things like that in the terminal
[12:04] <ajmitch> aha, mnepton is alive!
[12:04] <crimsun> ajmitch: ok, is sound audible through it?
[12:05] <mnepton> i am? i was hoping the smell of decyaing flesh could be explained by something other than poor hygiene.
[12:05] <ajmitch> no
[12:05] <crimsun> ok, thanks, that's what I needed to know
[12:05] <ajmitch> it cannot open the sound device
[12:05] <ajmitch> even though it defaults to what appears to be the correct alsa device for playback
[12:05] <secretlondon> mnepton: poor hygiene is the hallmark of a linux god - do you have the beard too?
[12:06] <ajmitch> crimsun: ok, works if I switch to OSS
[12:07] <crimsun> ok
[12:07] <crimsun> I'll hack at it when I wake. Thanks for testing.
[12:07] <ajmitch> np
[12:08] <mnepton> secretlondon: ay-yup
[12:08] <Amaranth> mnepton: Don't lie. :p
[12:08] <ajmitch> secretlondon: he has the semi-beard
[12:09] <StevenK> secretlondon: My wife won't let me have a beard, does that count? :-)
[12:10] <secretlondon> I hope I don't have to smell you all
[12:10] <StevenK> Muahaha
[12:11] <StevenK> secretlondon: Are you the hygiene people?
[12:11] <StevenK> Er.
[12:11] <StevenK> s/people/police/
[12:12] <mnepton> secretlondon: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mneptok/kvf.jpg
[12:12] <secretlondon> mnepton started it by commenting on poor hygiene
[12:12] <StevenK> Hum.
[12:12] <StevenK> I note Audacity doesn't want to detect a device in a chroot.
[12:14] <StevenK> Until I copy the ALSA char devices in.
[12:15] <StevenK> secretlondon: I also wonder what is so secret about London.
[12:15] <secretlondon> StevenK: very little
[12:15] <StevenK> Heh
[12:19] <StevenK> crimsun: +1
[12:20] <StevenK> crimsun: Looks great, looks fine for me.
[12:20] <StevenK> Like ajmitch, it refuses to use ALSA.
[12:23] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Pick on cjwatson instead?
[12:23] <Fujitsu> Does he do SRUs?
[12:23] <StevenK> He's part of the SRU team
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[12:24] <bhale> StevenK: haha
[12:24] <bhale> i wish we had a quote bot
[12:25] <StevenK> bhale: Why?
[12:25] <bhale> < StevenK> Like ajmitch, it refuses to use ALSA.
[12:25] <StevenK> Heh
[12:25] <StevenK> I meant 'Like ajmitch saw'
[12:25] <StevenK> Oh well
[12:26] <bhale> oh
[12:26] <bhale> it is funnier if he is the only guy not using alsa
[12:26] <Fujitsu> Finally, two months after I isolate the patch, this nasty Dapper regression is getting closer to fixed!
[12:26] <StevenK> Heh
[12:27] <StevenK> If upstream for wlassistant wasn't a *forum*, I would have submitted my patch along with "You're an idiot. No, really."
[12:31] <gnomefreak> crimsun: you around?
[12:32] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee!
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu!
[12:34] <Hobbsee> oh dear...
[12:34] <gnomefreak> i never got the license agreement for flash update today
[12:34] <gnomefreak> is that for everyone?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> yay!
[01:20] <PriceChild> Hi there
[01:20] <PriceChild> anyone around?
[01:20] <PriceChild> uuuu Hobbsee!
[01:20] <fernando> hi all
[01:21] <PriceChild> hi fernando
[01:21] <Hobbsee> PriceChild!!
[01:21] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: I think i've got everyone's issues sorted finally: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3503
[01:22] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: woot!
[01:22] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: And I've promised frodon I'll have a look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/proftpd/+bug/68735 next... but can I do anything about this seen as Edgy's already released? I'm not sure how things work
[01:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68735 in proftpd "Module mod-tls.c is missing in the proftpd edgy package" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:22] <PriceChild> be quiet Ubugtu
[01:23] <Hobbsee> !sru
[01:23] <ubotu> sru is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[01:23] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: ^
[01:24] <PriceChild> he he so not going to happen....?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> oh, it could.  just that it's more painful than it used to be
[01:25] <PriceChild> You could say it is a bug.... everyone's going to want to run it with encryption? its sort of security too i suppose.
[01:25] <PriceChild> People have upgraded to Edgy from Dapper and lost encryption and not noticed
[01:25] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: doesnt matter what it is - they test everything.  unless it's a security update, but i think even then they test it more than they used to
[01:25] <PriceChild> I'd say that warrants a security update?
[01:26] <PriceChild> Do you think if i tried hard enough i could get this fixed?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> probably
[01:27] <PriceChild> enthusiastic....
[01:27] <Hobbsee> what's the fix?
[01:28] <Hobbsee> oh, compile it with that module, i guess
[01:28] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: ask pitti when he comes in if it's a security bug
[01:28] <PriceChild> he he ok :)
[01:28] <PriceChild> thanks :)
[01:28] <PriceChild> Could you maybe take a look at my xvidcap if you get some time today?
[01:28] <PriceChild> !whois pitti
[01:28] <ubotu> whois: the GNU whois client. In component main, is optional. Version 4.7.14 (edgy), package size 29 kB, installed size 272 kB
[01:29] <StevenK> He isn't here.
[01:29] <PriceChild> hmmm needs a slash... :P
[01:29] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: depends if i'm in a nitpicky mood.  StevenK can :D
[01:29] <PriceChild> haha :)
[01:29] <StevenK> Can I now?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> yes, you can
[01:29] <StevenK> Hobbsee so needs to stop dobbing me in,
[01:29] <StevenK> s/\,$/./
[01:29] <PriceChild> I love you guys...
[01:30] <PriceChild> MOTU and all you wanna do is avoid the work :P
[01:30] <PriceChild> (and gals)
[01:30] <StevenK> PriceChild: Please, I hardly know you.  Hobbsee (and anyone else i don't know yet if interested)... I was having a little conversation with LaserJock yesterday about getting the forums members awareness of the MOTU up, an irc session or two to answer questions about what you do etc. maybe even more of the MOTU schooling sessions. Would you be interested?
[01:33] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: no you don't think you're very different from everyone else, or no i couldn't imagine?
[01:34] <PriceChild> I promise I won't tell dholbach then :)
[01:34] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: the former
[01:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:34] <PriceChild> he he :)
[01:34] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: that'd be sensible.  the first thing they should learn is that checkinstall is BAD
[01:34] <Hobbsee> once they go thru that, the rest should be easy
[01:34] <PriceChild> he he yeah
[01:34] <PriceChild> Maybe we could get a channel somewhere with you as an op and you could make that the title?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, what was that miserable package that involved the dreaded, unnamable build system, and is it on the merge list?  i think i'll avoid it...
[01:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!
[01:35] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: you can change this one, if you want.  be responsible :P
[01:35] <PriceChild> Pardon?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> you can change the topic in this channel
[01:36] <Hobbsee> hah
[01:36] <PriceChild> :)
[01:38] <Hobbsee|Remote> PriceChild: you keep that up, and i'll make you do a package with yada.
[01:39] <PriceChild> Hobbsee|Remote: I think its a good thing I don't understand that :)
[01:39] <Hobbsee|Remote> PriceChild: if you *ever* have a package that requires a dep or a build dep of a package called yada, RUN.  it's evil.
[01:40] <PriceChild> he he ok :)
[01:40] <Hobbsee|Remote> bloody thing
[01:40] <PriceChild> lol
[01:41] <PriceChild> So are you insterested in attending any irc things?
[01:41] <Hobbsee|Remote> sure.
[01:41] <Hobbsee|Remote> but i'm usually on the wrong side of the world for that
[01:42] <PriceChild> What country are you in? :O
[01:42] <realist> There is no _wrong_ side of the world...
[01:43] <PriceChild> I wouldn't mind moving to New Zealand one day
[01:44] <PriceChild> or maybe Australia... but i've never been there so couldn't comment
[01:44] <Hobbsee|Remote> secretlondon: he'll be awake again.  hello, btw
[01:44] <Hobbsee|Remote> PriceChild: australia
[01:44] <PriceChild> cool :)
[01:45] <PriceChild> I spent 3 weeks in NZ playing hockey... "a bad winter" it was described as by the locals... For me it was like an average/bad summers day lol
[01:45] <secretlondon> Hobbsee: hello again, and i'm going to bed in a mo
[01:46] <Hobbsee|Remote> secretlondon: keeping au timezones, there, it seems
[01:46] <realist> Hobbsee|Remote: How is Australia wrong? :>
[01:46] <Hobbsee|Remote> PriceChild: where are you normally?
[01:46] <realist> Travelling to .za in Jan
[01:46] <Hobbsee|Remote> realist: when the people you talk to and try to have meetings with for kubuntu or whatever are in the UK, with some in the US...it's really the worst place to be
[01:46] <PriceChild> I'm in the UK
[01:47] <secretlondon> Hobbsee: it varies - i have ended up on pst before now
[01:47] <Hobbsee|Remote> lucky
[01:47] <Hobbsee|Remote> true
[01:47] <PriceChild> lucky?
[01:47] <Yagisan> realist, there are many reasons we could start with, and I'm sure you don't want to go there
[01:47] <Yagisan> oh, and hi everyone
[01:47] <PriceChild> Hey Yagisan
[01:48] <realist> Hobbsee|Remote: I manage remote sites in both UK and NY
[01:48] <realist> So I guess I'm used to it :-)
[01:48] <Yagisan> hmm
[01:49] <Yagisan> I wasn't aware my project had become sentient and logged in here.
[01:49] <Hobbsee|Remote> realist: true
[01:50] <PriceChild> Right I'm off
[01:50] <PriceChild> have fun guys
[01:50] <Hobbsee|Remote> bye!
[01:50] <PriceChild> do a bit of work ;)
[01:50] <Hobbsee|Remote> hah
[01:50] <PriceChild> I'm talking to you Hobbsee
[01:50] <PriceChild> he he
[01:50] <Hobbsee|Remote> isnt that enough>?????
[01:51] <PriceChild> maybe
[01:51] <Yagisan> Hobbsee|Remote, no
[01:51] <PriceChild> :
[01:51] <StevenK> Hobbsee|Remote: Nope!
[01:51] <Yagisan> Hawkwind, you must do 3
[01:51] <PriceChild> :)
[01:51] <Yagisan> er
[01:51] <StevenK> Hah
[01:51] <StevenK> Denied!
[01:51] <realist> Hobbsee|Remote: but it actually works in my favour in that situation, i.e. I'm generally awake, and can do maintainance when both cities are asleep
[01:51] <PriceChild> Keep up the good work
[01:51] <Yagisan> damm, my keyboard is wearing out O_o
[01:51] <Hobbsee|Remote> realist: yes, exactly.  it's when you want to communicate with said countries that it doesnt work
[01:51] <realist> I guess the best cross-over time would be in our evenings
[01:52] <realist> US mornings, and UK midday/afternoons
[01:52] <Hobbsee|Remote> true
[01:52] <Yagisan> StevenK, smell the bushfires ?
[01:52] <StevenK> There's bushfires?
[01:52] <StevenK> I'm not that far west.
[01:53] <StevenK> Why is it anyone east of about Lidcombe puts Blacktown and Katoomba together?
[01:53] <Yagisan> StevenK, I smell them strongly here
[01:54] <Hobbsee|Remote> yes there are.  we smell them up here too
[01:54] <StevenK> Hrm.
[01:54] <StevenK> I recall smelling smoke when leaving work.
[01:54] <Yagisan> StevenK, and did I mention I'm in Lidcombe
[01:54] <StevenK> Yagisan: Sorry, I hit rant mode. :-/
[01:54] <Yagisan> I'm just waiting for some turd to set the cemetery on fire
[01:55] <StevenK> I haven't noticed anything here.
[01:55] <StevenK> Yagisan: Ugh, my father is there.
[01:55] <Yagisan> I'm trying to convince my wife it's a normal smell for summer
[01:55] <Yagisan> its not working
[01:55] <StevenK> Heh
[01:56] <Yagisan> edgys pbuilder seems so slow
[01:57] <realist> Bushfires already?
[01:57] <elkbuntu> we had 2 fires around here today... one at a plumbing/gas place a block or so away from me.. not sure how it started and another behind a cemetary where 'a man in his 40s' was seen leaving the area with 'a red can'
[01:58] <Hobbsee|Remote> yes, it's quite hot over here.
[01:58] <realist> It's been so humid here (Melbourne)
[01:58] <Yagisan> it is 29 degress in the city, so add on 3-4 for us out west
[01:58] <elkbuntu> realist, twas only 8% here late today
[01:58] <elkbuntu> Yagisan, add on 10 for here
[01:58] <realist> Hobbsee|Remote: where's that?
[01:58] <Hobbsee|Remote> realist: sydney
[01:59] <Yagisan> I had a nice view of the Lidcombe factory fire the other day
[01:59] <Yagisan> A big red glow out my office window
[02:00] <Yagisan> elkbuntu, where are you again ?
[02:00] <elkbuntu> Yagisan, http://www.weatherzone.com.au/local/local.jsp?obs=95896&fcast=95896&img=radar&rad=049&pcode=2640
[02:00] <realist> elkbuntu: would you be willing to do any on-site (linux) support where you are?
[02:00] <elkbuntu> current temperature..... 30.2C
[02:00] <Yagisan> StevenK, if the council gets its way, thats all I'll see too
[02:00] <elkbuntu> realist, depends if you really want me trying to fix other people's messups :
[02:00] <StevenK> Hah, yay
[02:01] <StevenK> elkbuntu: And then submit that Australia's Funniest Home Videos?
[02:01] <elkbuntu> StevenK, they dont have a 'you stuck a what where?' segment on that yet
[02:02] <realist> I'm possibly setting up a remote managed site there, but *may* require hands-on support if/when the lights go out
[02:02] <StevenK> Heh
[02:02] <Yagisan> elkbuntu, I match you http://www.weatherzone.com.au/local/local.jsp?obs=95765&fcast=94764&img=radar&rad=003&pcode=2141
[02:02] <elkbuntu> realist, cool, count me in
[02:02] <realist> Awesome.
[02:02] <StevenK> elkbuntu: My grandmother in law has managed to put a USB cable into a serial port.
[02:03] <realist> Yagisan: I'll have to dig up those youtube links I found the other day (gas / jet fuel / explosions)
[02:03] <StevenK> It looks like it's cooler here.
[02:03] <StevenK> http://www.weatherzone.com.au/local/local.jsp?obs=94760&fcast=94764&img=radar&rad=003&pcode=2148
[02:04] <elkbuntu> Yagisan, we have this gel crystal 'scarf' thing i'll probably take to bed tonight. keeps you cool long enough to get to sleep
[02:04] <StevenK> secretlondon: If we tried that we'd probably spontaneously combust.
[02:04] <elkbuntu> lucky #&@%
[02:05] <elkbuntu> StevenK, the water bottles are already melted, we cant
[02:05] <StevenK> Heh
[02:05] <StevenK> Not to worry, I have an electric blanket
[02:05] <StevenK> Not that it's going to be taken out tonight.
[02:05] <elkbuntu>  hehe
[02:06] <realist> elkbuntu: that sounds like a great idea (the ice/gel pack)
[02:06] <elkbuntu> it is actually working tonight though, due to the low humidity
[02:06] <realist> I used to have them for sports injuries
[02:07] <StevenK> Hah
[02:07] <StevenK> Heh
[02:07] <StevenK> Sure you were.
[02:08] <elkbuntu> hmm...
[02:08] <StevenK> Oh, I'm so there.
[02:08] <realist> elkbuntu: did you go to the ubuntu sumit?
[02:08] <secretlondon> 8 C here according to gnome
[02:08] <elkbuntu> realist, i did indeed
[02:08] <secretlondon> feels colder
[02:08] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: you'd be welcome to do that, if you wanted.  my house is a little weird though
[02:08] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, trust me, weird is good compared to my home life at the moment.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> :(
[02:09] <realist> elkbuntu: meet sabdfl?
[02:09] <elkbuntu> realist, only in passing
[02:09] <realist> Was hoping to catch him in .za next year, but turns out all the south africans have moved to london
[02:10] <elkbuntu> haha
[02:11] <secretlondon> and all the londoners would like to leave..
[02:11] <secretlondon> not connected to the south africans - i'm just sick of the uk atm
[02:12] <Hobbsee> secretlondon: holiday out here for a while.  isnt your money worth 1.5 times ours, or something ridiculous?
[02:13] <secretlondon> Hobbsee: no idea - i haven't got any anyway
[02:13] <Hobbsee> ah drat
[02:13] <secretlondon> i'm unemployed so I can barely afford to leave london
[02:13] <thom> Hobbsee: 3x
[02:14] <thom> well, 2.4
[02:14] <Hobbsee> thom: ouch.  i did guess that at first, but thought it seemed too high
[02:14] <secretlondon> its almost 2usd to 1 gbp atm
[02:15] <thom> www.xe.com 4tw
[02:25] <Yagisan> realist, youtube + ubuntu amd64 don't mix - which to be honest, is a real blessing in disguise
[02:26] <realist> yes, flash is evil :-)
[02:26] <Yagisan> amen
[02:33] <slytherin> Can someone help me with pbuilder?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> not without more information
[02:34] <slytherin> Hobbsee: How can I make pbuilder use packages from apt-get cache while creating environment?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder
[02:35] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[02:36] <Hobbsee> slytherin: check otu the howto on that - it's a line in pbuilderrc
[02:39] <slytherin> Hobbsee: I have tried changing option APTCACHE in pbuilderrc, but that didn't help
[02:41] <Hobbsee> did you copy the files over from /var/cache/apt/archives to /var/cache/pbuilder/apt.cache/ or wherever you set the aptcache to be?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> and did you use pbuilder-update --override-config?
[02:46] <slytherin> Hobbsee: I was of the impression that if I set APTCACHE in pbuilderrc to /var/cache/apt/archives, pbuilder will pick friles form there.
[02:46] <Hobbsee> i would expect so, too
[02:47] <slytherin> Hobbsee: The thing that is happening is that pbuilder creates a /var/cache/apt/archives inside /var/cache/pbuilder/build/<pid>
[02:47] <Hobbsee> that's....odd
[02:47] <Hobbsee> want to pastebin you .pbuilderrc?
[02:48] <slytherin> Hobbsee: I didnt' change .pbuilderrc, I am editing /etc/pbuilderrc
[02:49] <Hobbsee> sorry, that
[02:49] <Hobbsee> it's late
[02:51] <Yagisan> yay, one box overheated!
[03:32] <PriceChild> Hello again :)
[03:50] <slytherin> giskard: ping
[04:08] <slytherin> giskard: ping
[04:41] <lamont> should I upload that to edgy proposed?
[05:57] <siretart> bug 70146
[05:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70146 in libnss-ldap "Problem with LDAPS" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70146
[05:58] <fabo> someone is able to explain why i never see my packages on revu ?
[06:03] <siretart> lamont: yes please
[06:03] <siretart> fabo: what package are you uploading?
[06:05] <fabo> siretart: strigi, but i just noticed the topic -> Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU
[06:06] <fabo> siretart: i've added myself right now, do i need to re-upload ?
[06:06] <siretart> no, I  can arrange things manually
[06:07] <fabo> siretart: is it a new behavior ? because if it is the case, wiki page aren't up-to-date ...
[06:08] <siretart> fabo: nah, I need to resync the revu keyring. this is a semi-automatic process I just triggered
[06:08] <fabo> k
[06:08] <siretart> fabo: the keyring is synced from the launchpad group
[06:16] <siretart> fabo: done
[06:17] <fabo> siretart: thks
[07:01] <MikeB-> morning all
[07:01] <MikeB-> hey Pricechild
[07:03] <PriceChild> Hi MikeB
[07:19] <Burgwork> rexbron: the celtx license clearly states you cannot use their trademark or logos
[07:19] <rexbron> looking
[07:19] <LaserJock> wahooo
[07:20] <LaserJock> maxima made it into -proposed
[07:21] <rexbron> Burgwork: what section is that under?
[07:21] <pygi> hey
[07:21] <Burgwork> "This License does not grant any rights to use the trademark "Celtx", and/or the Celtx logo even if such marks are included in the Original Code or Modifications."
[07:21] <Burgwork> http://www.celtx.com/CePL/
[07:22] <rexbron> just looking for a section #
[07:22] <rexbron> found it
[07:22] <rexbron> that really sucks
[07:23] <rexbron> I am no longer sure that it is worth packaging, maybe just write a how-to in the wiki/forums
[07:23] <Burgwork> it is, just put in multiverse
[07:23] <rexbron> We would therefore have to rename and redeisgn a logo for it
[07:24] <rexbron> ?
[07:24] <Burgwork> yes, much like icedove|weasel
[07:24] <rexbron> I think this might be a good project for me to get into packaging
[07:25] <rexbron> brb
[07:25] <Burgwork> by aware, given it uses moz code, it is probably going to be a headache
[07:26] <ajmitch> lamont: merged in the timeout changes from 251-7 by any chance?
[07:26] <ajmitch> ah, they look to be
[07:27] <rexbron> Burgwork: Could you explain more? (or is it simaler to the firefox TM issue?)
[07:27] <Burgwork> rexbron: nah, just I have heard horror stories about buidling moz code
[07:27] <rexbron> oh
[07:27] <rexbron> but we build firefox correct?
[07:28] <Burgwork> yep
[07:31] <AlexMBas> do anyone knows if mono 1.2 will get into feisty ?
[07:31] <ajmitch> yes
[07:31] <siretart> who?
[07:31] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[07:32] <AlexMBas> ajmitch, will there be backports to edgy ?
[07:32] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[07:32] <ajmitch> AlexMBas: not very likely
[07:32] <siretart> AlexMBas: if you can show that this wouldn't break existing packages...
[07:32] <AlexMBas> hmmm
[07:33] <AlexMBas>  I would like to help on it if needed
[07:33] <AlexMBas> I'm a mono developer
[07:33] <AlexMBas> and am very used to compile mono
[07:33] <siretart> you develop the mono runtime or applications in C#?
[07:33] <AlexMBas> just not much used to motu "protocols" on building packages
[07:33] <AlexMBas> I am a commiter on mono
[07:33] <ajmitch> siretart: 1.2 is likely to break existing packages
[07:34] <AlexMBas> i do some of the VB.NET parser codes
[07:34] <siretart> ajmitch: I assume so
[07:34] <AlexMBas> break which packages you mean ?
[07:34] <AlexMBas> things like tomboy and such ?
[07:34] <ajmitch> banshee, possibly f-spot
[07:34] <AlexMBas> I guess not
[07:34] <AlexMBas> I have it compiled by hand replacing 1.1.17
[07:34] <siretart> well, guessing does not help. only recompiling and extensivly testing
[07:35] <AlexMBas> and the apps installed by apt-get
[07:35] <ajmitch> & slomo found issues with 1.1.18 & banshee, iirc
[07:35] <siretart> I don't think its worth the efford, but YMMV
[07:35] <slomo_> ajmitch: already fixed in banshee...
[07:35] <AlexMBas> YMMV ? What does that means ?
[07:35] <slomo_> 1.2 has other, even more important issues though
[07:35] <thom> your mileage may vary
[07:35] <AlexMBas> ohh ok
[07:35] <AlexMBas> thanks
[07:36] <ajmitch> slomo_: right, but not banshee in edgy
[07:36] <ajmitch> slomo_: hence why backporting mono would break things
[07:36] <slomo_> and backporting it to edgy is not a good idea... too big, incompatible changes, new build dependencies, etc
[07:36] <slomo_> well, it would only break banshee from compiling... running the old one would still work ;)
[07:37] <AlexMBas> what would it take for me to build a mono 1.2.1 package on backports if I compile it ?
[07:37] <AlexMBas> slomo_, yeah thats for sure
[07:38] <AlexMBas> but should we keep binary packages from breaking or compiling sources also ?
[07:38] <ajmitch> both
[07:38] <AlexMBas> ohhh ok
[07:39] <siretart> AlexMBas: we don't want to break building packages and consider that a bug. we don't like bugs, you know ;)
[07:39] <AlexMBas> ajmitch, if I backport it and keep everything compiling and running, who should I talk to  ?
[07:39] <siretart> AlexMBas: https://launchpad.net/products/edgy-backports/+filebug
[07:40] <AlexMBas> thanks siretart I'll work on it ASAP
[07:40] <slomo_> apart from that 1.2.1 is not even in feisty yet, not even released upstream ;)
[07:40] <siretart> as said, I don't think its worth the efford. let's better invest time on improving feisty.
[07:40] <ajmitch> & the various build dep changes, etc
[07:40] <AlexMBas> hmmm ok
[07:41] <ajmitch> means it probably won't be backportable under ubuntu rules
[07:41] <AlexMBas> so how my expertise on mono could be used to improve feisty ?
[07:41] <slomo_> we could need someone to care for MD at least ;)
[07:44] <AlexMBas> ok
[07:44] <AlexMBas> what should I do and who should I talk to ?
[07:44] <AlexMBas> I'll take it
[07:44] <AlexMBas> ;-)
[07:45] <LaserJock> !packagingguide > AlexMBas
[07:46] <AlexMBas> thanks .. I'll dig on it
[07:49] <LaserJock> grrr, update-manager hates me
[07:55] <pygi> LaserJock: nah, it just hates you :)
[07:57] <LaserJock> it instists on using archive.u.c
[07:58] <LaserJock> *insists
[07:58] <LaserJock> so I'm upgrading to feisty at 10k/s
[07:59] <LaserJock> oh wait, I'm ugprading to edgy
[08:01] <luisbg> usually in a source package... where can one see what software is needed to build and to run (to create the package dependencies)
[08:03] <LaserJock> INSTALL or README
[08:03] <LaserJock> but usually their just generic ones
[08:04] <luisbg> in this case README is blank and install just says the ./configure; make; make install
[08:05] <LaserJock> luisbg: check the website
[08:05] <luisbg> no help either... do I have to read the configure file? it is pretty big
[08:06] <luisbg> or run configure and read the output?
[08:07] <geser> run configure and see about what it complains
[08:08] <LaserJock> luisbg: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-control
[08:08] <LaserJock> luisbg: there's a little script there
[08:08] <luisbg> qt3...  Qt library not found ---> libqt3-mt ?
[08:10] <geser> quite likely
[08:10] <geser> don't forget you need libqt3-mt-dev
[08:13] <luisbg> the package goes with libqt3-mt and the source with libqt3-mt-dev
[08:13] <slytherin> giskard_: ping
[08:15] <luisbg> how do I set the QTDIR environment variable
[08:15] <luisbg> ?
[08:16] <geser> doesn't configure have an option to set the qt dir?
[08:17] <luisbg> --with-Qt-dir=/usr/lib/qt3
[08:18] <luisbg> still something missing with the libqt
[08:20] <geser> have you looked at config.log?
[08:28] <luisbg> thanks geser
[08:31] <xopher> A quick question, can you install the i386 ubuntu on a ppc machine?
[08:32] <slytherin> xopher: no
[08:32] <imbrandon> no, but you can install the ppc ubuntu on a ppc machine
[08:32] <imbrandon> ( same programs , just compiled for ppc )
[08:32] <slytherin> xopher: but you can install it inside some virtual machine like qemu or bochs
[08:33] <xopher> just making sure, since one guy was wondering if he could install i386 beryl packages ...
[08:33] <slytherin> xopher: not sure about xen
[08:33] <xopher> thanks for the response
[08:33] <imbrandon> xopher: nope
[08:33] <imbrandon> slytherin: no, xen is x86 and x86_64 only
[08:33] <slytherin> imbrandon: thanks for enlightning me :-)
[08:34] <imbrandon> btw moins all
[08:34] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[08:34] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[08:35] <LaserJock> man, I sure hope these IT clowns know what they're doing, my email could be going anywhere
[08:35] <imbrandon> LaserJock: whats going on ?
[08:36] <LaserJock> well you know how we had that server meltdown
[08:36] <imbrandon> no i dident , ouch
[08:36] <imbrandon> must have missed that on irc
[08:37] <LaserJock> yeah, our Department web, email, everything server had a meltdown (RAID gone bad or something)
[08:37] <imbrandon> mail server crash, hopefully only your uni mail ( smtp server usaly will keep mail and try to redeliver for 3 days in most cases thankfully though )
[08:38] <LaserJock> anyway, the deparment, in it's glorious wisdom, has decided it doesn't want to maintian an email server anymore
[08:38] <imbrandon> oh wow, and they had no redundant servers or anything ?
[08:38] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:38] <LaserJock> so the are moving us to a uni-wide email server
[08:38] <LaserJock> *they
[08:38] <imbrandon> ahh
[08:38] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon
[08:38] <LaserJock> which just so happens to be going through a server transition right now
[08:38] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[08:39] <imbrandon> LaserJock: wow, lots of bad luck
[08:39] <slytherin> anyone here in bluetooth team in launchpad?
[08:39] <LaserJock> so the department's gateway is supposed to forward the mail to the uni gateway (I think) which will then forward it to this new email server
[08:40] <imbrandon> i thought about moving all my mail to the imbrandon.com server instead of the one here at my house, but i figured i might be getting a dedicated box for imbrandon.com soonish so i'm trying to hold off
[08:40] <imbrandon> yea MX record trickery
[08:40] <imbrandon> its great when it works
[08:40] <LaserJock> sweet I got it
[08:40] <imbrandon> but often one typo can make the whole thing loop
[08:40] <LaserJock> it seems to actually work
[08:40] <imbrandon> :)
[08:41] <LaserJock> well, I moved most of my email (mailing lists and @ubuntu.com) to laserjock.us
[08:41] <imbrandon> good call , leaste you contyrol that if something dies
[08:41] <imbrandon> thats what i did, i have most overything under the control of imbrandon.com even if its on diffrent servers etc
[08:42] <LaserJock> yeah, my department's computing situation is pretty nasty
[08:42] <LaserJock> they just hire a CS major to work part-time
[08:42] <imbrandon> heh
[08:42] <imbrandon> wonderfull
[08:43] <LaserJock> not that there is anything wrong with CS majors ;-)
[08:43] <imbrandon> dont get me wrong some CS majors know whats up, but on the flip side , just about anyone can get a CS degree and not have a clue
[08:43] <imbrandon> exactly :)
[08:43] <LaserJock> but we were without email for 3 days
[08:43] <LaserJock> and our website is still down
[08:43] <LaserJock> and it's probably been 3 weeks to a month
[08:44] <LaserJock> well, the website is on a different server
[08:44] <imbrandon> i mean i've seen some CS majors in their 2 year and never even heard of linux , let alone ..... well i'll just not get into it, no offense to anyone but paper degree's mean little to me
[08:45] <highvoltage> imbrandon: :)
[08:45] <ajmitch> that's why I learn from people like LaserJock & imbrandon :)
[08:45] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hahaha yea i dont mean all degree's are bad, its the ones that slip though that give them all bad names
[08:45] <imbrandon> ( as with just about anything else for that matter )
[08:45] <imbrandon> lol ajmitch
[08:46] <LaserJock> I just need one more piece of paper
[08:46] <LaserJock> that's all I'm asking for
[08:46] <Adri2000> hey imbrandon, since you are in the main sponsors team, could you look at bug 72370 please
[08:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72370 in pppoeconf "[Merge]  pppoeconf 1.12ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72370
[08:46] <imbrandon> LaserJock: :)
[08:46] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I have a pack of 500 for you?
[08:46] <imbrandon> Adri2000: sure, give me about 5 more minutes to grab some mt dew and get settled into the computer chair for the day and i'll look
[08:46] <LaserJock> then ya'll will have to call me Dr. LaserJock ;-)
[08:47] <Adri2000> imbrandon: :-) thank you
[08:47] <highvoltage> LaserJock: that sounds evil
[08:47] <bhale> anyone here awesome with TCL?
[08:47] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hehe , Dr. MOTU-aholic LaserJock
[08:47] <LaserJock> highvoltage: mwuahahaha
[08:47] <imbrandon> bhale: StevenK is iirc, but dont tell him i said anything, he'll probably kill me :)
[08:47] <LaserJock> "And then ... I will take over ... the WORLD!"
[08:48] <imbrandon> hehehe
[08:48] <AlexMBas> is anyone involved with vmware-player package aroud here ?
[08:48] <bhale> StevenK: yeah?
[08:49] <imbrandon> crimsun: ping
[08:50] <ajmitch> bhale: may be a bit early in the morning for even StevenK
[08:51] <bhale> hm
[08:51] <imbrandon> crimsun: if you read the backlog http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33158/
[08:51] <bhale> it would be 9pm for him i think?
[08:51] <bhale> isnt he in the UK
[08:51] <imbrandon> AU
[08:51] <bhale> oh what a goof
[08:53] <slytherin> dholbach: ping
[08:57] <LaserJock> bhale: shesh ;-)
[08:57] <bhale> LaserJock: ?
[08:58] <LaserJock> bhale: mistaking AU for UK
[08:58] <bhale> AU is very UK-ish
[08:58] <LaserJock> true
[08:59] <bhale> this SEEMS like the most newbie idiot thing in the world
[08:59] <bhale> but ive been at it since lunch
[09:00] <highvoltage> laser... laser.. away!
[09:01] <Laser_away> you know it
[09:01] <dholbach> slytherin: pong
[09:01] <slytherin> dholbach: are you busy?
[09:02] <dholbach> slytherin: i'm back on the side of the planet i'm usually on and very tired
[09:03] <dholbach> slytherin: can i help you?
[09:03] <slytherin> dholbach: nothing urgent
[09:03] <imbrandon> heya dholbach
[09:04] <Adri2000> imbrandon: don't care anymore of pppoeconf, just uploaded...
[09:04] <imbrandon> Adri2000: kk
[09:05] <slytherin> dholbach: I talked with giskard_ yesterday and he asked me to upload source, .dsc files for the vfs plugin that I packages. But he is not around today. I thought you would like to take a look.
[09:05] <dholbach> slytherin: ah cool
[09:05] <dholbach> slytherin: can you drop a mail to the team about it?
[09:05] <dholbach> slytherin: i'm happy to take a look at it tomorrow
[09:06] <dholbach> slytherin: is that ok with you?
[09:06] <slytherin> dholbach: I have already done it.
[09:06] <slytherin> dholbach: I am planning to submit it to REVU. But since it is my first try at packaging I thought it will be good if somone from bluetooth team could provide a feedback.
[09:07] <Adri2000> I thought that describing the ubuntu changes when merging was now a policy (was a recommendation for edgy) :/
[09:07] <AlexMBas> !packagingguide > AlexMBas
[09:07] <dholbach> slytherin: thanks for working on this
[09:08] <slytherin> dholbach: my pleasure. it was fun learning the packaging work.
[09:08] <dholbach> super :-)
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i've trying to work on packaging
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> it's kind of confusing
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm looking at the guide now
[09:11] <dholbach> Admiral_Chicago: that's great - if you can ask your questions here or on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- that'd be great
[09:11] <dholbach> and I'm sure we'll find somebody who can answer your question
[09:13] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: ditto dholbach, and don't forget to go out and buy the new Official Ubuntu Book, read the Ubuntu Packaging Guide a couple of times (so stop scanning it right now), read over all of the /MOTU stuff on the wiki, and get to know your tools
[09:15] <dholbach> the motu mailing list is especially good because a lot of other benefit from the question and answer too
[09:15] <nixternal> ya, the list is great!
[09:16] <nixternal> and make sure you befriend crimsun as well, and also, make sure you send Laser_away (LaserJock) the $100 one time MOTU processing fee
[09:16] <pygi> nixternal: don't scare people away ^_^
[09:17] <nixternal> no, scaring away would have been $1000, thats why i kept it low ;)
[09:17] <nixternal> here is a quick question, is it safe to allow multiple pbuilders to share the same aptcache?
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: that's what i'm doing
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> i got confused by the chroot and pbuilder stuff
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> but i haven't looked too hard at it
[09:21] <lamont> ajmitch: I guess so...
[09:21] <lamont> is the suite edgy-proposed-updates?
[09:22] <lifepositive> !topic
[09:22] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[09:22] <lifepositive> whats motu mean?
[09:22] <lifepositive> !motu
[09:22] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[09:23] <geser> lamont: first edgy-proposed then edgy-updates
[09:23] <lamont> geser: ok
[09:23] <geser> lifepositive: see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Acronyms
[09:23] <lifepositive> ok
[09:30] <Adri2000> imbrandon: hmm, when I said just uploaded, I meant that someone else (mvo) uploaded his own merge, but that's ok, it's exactly the same merge as mine :)
[09:31] <imbrandon> Adri2000: yea i seen it on -changes
[09:55] <imbrandon> wb LaserJock
[09:55] <lifepositive> imbrandon: thank you
[09:55] <imbrandon> lifepositive: ?
[09:55] <lifepositive> :)
[09:56] <LaserJock> that was weird
[09:56] <imbrandon> to say the leaste
[09:56] <ajmitch> yeah..
[09:56] <Amaranth> heh
[09:57] <ajmitch> this channel attracts strange people
[09:57] <LaserJock> imbrandon: maybe he just likes you
[09:57] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:57] <imbrandon> lol
[09:57] <Amaranth> he is doing weird things everywhere
[09:57] <Amaranth> and following me :P
[09:58] <imbrandon> not supriseing the gpg key isnt on a server
[09:58] <zul> imbrandon: you have roupies
[09:58] <zul> er groupies
[09:58] <imbrandon> lol
[10:01] <LaserJock> heh
[10:02] <ajmitch> LaserJock: don't worry, we can still venerate you
[10:02] <LaserJock> bah
[10:03] <LaserJock> you know, nobody's going to want to be a MOTU rockstar if they get treated like this ;-)
[10:03] <imbrandon> hehehe
[10:03] <LaserJock> ajmitch: do you know smurf?
[10:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I've met him a couple of times
[10:05] <joejaxx> Hello MOTUians
[10:05] <joejaxx> :)
[10:05] <LaserJock> I wonder what he does, I don't see him around on IRC much
[10:06] <ajmitch> loco teams stuff, he's not with canonical iirc
[10:06] <ajmitch> zul_ should get a better internet connection :)
[10:06] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:06] <zul> ajmitch: talk to my wife
[10:06] <LaserJock> oh
[10:06] <imbrandon> or stop making the kernel panic
[10:06] <LaserJock> I hear you there
[10:07] <LaserJock> I just *barely* got DSL
[10:07] <LaserJock> only because for 12 months they offered it for cheaper than dialup
[10:07] <imbrandon> i just got a letter yesterday that for $10 more i can have 16/2 cable ( /me has 8.1 now )
[10:07] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I hate you
[10:07] <LaserJock> imbrandon: die!
[10:08] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea but its cable, i never actualy see those speeds
[10:08] <ajmitch> depending on how well it can sync
[10:08] <LaserJock> I have 1.5/300something
[10:08] <imbrandon> and +10 == $49 a month :(
[10:08] <LaserJock> bah
[10:09] <LaserJock> my gosh
[10:09] <LaserJock> I think we might need a "Make a donation to zul's connection" link on the wiki page
[10:10] <imbrandon> hrm i think it might be about time to restart the file server, its been up 72 days and something has all 96mb of ram eaten
[10:10] <ajmitch> I think making a donation to get him an amd64 would be better
[10:10] <imbrandon> ajmitch: +1 heh
[10:10] <LaserJock> true
[10:10] <ajmitch> imbrandon should talk to his sponsors :)
[10:11] <zul> *sigh*
[10:12] <imbrandon> heh
[10:12] <ajmitch> welcome back :)
[10:12] <zul> meh..
[10:13] <LaserJock> while you were gone we hijacked your Xen packages and replaced them with a He-Man wallpaper and an .ogg of Queen
[10:13] <zul> cool i love queen
[10:13] <imbrandon> ROFLMAO
[10:17] <joejaxx> rofl
[10:17] <joejaxx> LaserJock: hahahaha
[10:18] <LaserJock> well, I'm a Ubuntu-holic MOTU
[10:18] <LaserJock> http://www.laserjock.us/ubuntu/Screenshot.png
[10:18] <imbrandon> hahah rock on
[10:20] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sad, sad man
[10:21] <joejaxx> lol
[10:26] <lamont> ajmitch, siretart: libnss-ldap_251-5.2ubuntu1~proposed uploaded to edgy-proposed
[10:26] <bddebian> Skeletor is a wuss, where's Beastman? ;-P
[10:26] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[10:26] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[10:26] <bddebian> and LaserJock, and ajmitch
[10:27] <LaserJock> bddebian!!
[10:27] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[10:27] <ajmitch> lamont: great, I can't remember if we need to get approval from the appropriate MOTU team after a week
[10:27] <ajmitch> but I'll test it later
[10:28] <lamont> ajmitch: thanks
[10:29] <lamont> it's a showstopper (or at least an annoyance) blocking upgrading the rest of the machines at my house.
[10:29] <ajmitch> yeah, I'm glad you found the fix from upstream
[10:30] <siretart> I really hope it enters main for feisty
[10:31] <LaserJock> siretart: what?
[10:32] <ajmitch> siretart: libnss-ldap? it'll be a definite requirement
[10:32] <ajmitch> various specs need it in main,
[10:33] <LaserJock> yeah, I wonder how large Main is going to get with feisty
[10:34] <siretart> LaserJock: expect agressive demotions
[10:34] <LaserJock> I imagine
[10:34] <siretart> I'm preparing a plea to demote xine
[10:34] <joejaxx> siretart: from main?
[10:35] <siretart> joejaxx: yes
[10:35] <LaserJock> Edubuntu's going to add a fair amount
[10:35] <joejaxx> siretart: ah ok
[10:35] <Lure> siretart: kubuntu needs it
[10:35] <siretart> this could bite {k,x}ubuntu a bit, though
[10:35] <siretart> Lure: please find a way do go without
[10:35] <siretart> Lure: or find a way to promote ffmpeg to main
[10:35] <Lure> siretart: no way as amarok does not have gstreamer
[10:36] <siretart> Lure: without the ffmpeg plugin, amarok is pretty useless
[10:36] <siretart> Lure: especially with 1.1.3, which I expect to enter feisty. that one uses the ffmpeg plugin even for ogg
[10:36] <Lure> siretart: but this is why we have -extracodes or not?
[10:36] <Lure> really?
[10:36] <Lure> :-(
[10:36] <siretart> Lure: not in main. and that's the problem
[10:37] <siretart> I want to merge the -extracodecs package into the main package. the current situation is really a mess and a real PITA
[10:38] <pygi> Lure: amarok actually does have gst ... it's just undermaintained
[10:38] <siretart> oh, hy pygi!
[10:38] <imbrandon> pygi: no it was dropped upstream
[10:38] <pygi> hello siretart
[10:38] <imbrandon> siretart: your doing what now?
[10:38] <pygi> imbrandon: I know what it was, I was offered to work on it
[10:39] <pygi> due to my involvement with Diva (which uses Gst)
[10:40] <imbrandon> pygi: thats fine , but it wont be used in kubuntu or official in amarok for some months , so helps us none right now
[10:40] <pygi> siretart: haven't ever looked in xine. What's bad in it?
[10:40] <pygi> imbrandon: it actually wont be usable for some time, as I don't work on it
[10:40] <pygi> imbrandon: but yes, I understand :-/
[10:40] <Riddell> siretart: xine can't be demoted
[10:42] <imbrandon> yea that would royaly screw most of kubuntu
[10:42] <LaserJock> and that wouldn't be any good :-)
[10:43] <ajmitch> I dunno... :)
[10:43] <Riddell> ?
[10:43] <imbrandon> heh
[10:44] <imbrandon>  /maybe/ in feisty +2 when kubuntu is using 100% phoneon ( sp? ) but it would be a disaster before then
[10:45] <imbrandon> siretart: whats wrong with the way libxine-extracodecs splits ffmpeg out now ?
[10:45] <imbrandon> ajmitch: l-r-m isnt avail yet
[10:46] <ajmitch> not built yet, or binary NEW?
[10:46] <minghua> good afternoon
[10:46] <imbrandon> NEW i think
[10:46] <pygi> hey minghua
[10:46] <bddebian> Heya minghua
[10:46] <imbrandon> just not installable yet
[10:46] <ajmitch> right
[10:46] <imbrandon> The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-restricted-modules-386: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19-6-386 but it is not installable linux-restricted-modules-generic: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19-6-generic but it is not installable vmware-player-kernel-modules: Depends: vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.19-6 but it is not installable
[10:46] <imbrandon> blah blah blah
[10:46] <ajmitch> which has been running .19 for awhile
[10:47] <imbrandon> yea my ibook has been running .19 for a week or more
[10:47] <engla> good news everyone
[10:47] <engla> I'm looking to upload http://www.student.lu.se/~cif04usv/wiki/dragbox.html to revu. I just added myself to the correct launchpad group etc and imported my key
[10:47] <imbrandon> ?
[10:47] <pygi> ajmitch, imbrandon : even more problems with cdrecord with .19
[10:48] <ajmitch> pygi: I'm sure I was running .19 when I burnt a cd at UDS
[10:48] <imbrandon> pygi: really? i just burned a dvd about an hour ago with k3b :)
[10:48] <ajmitch> I may have been using a .17 xen kernel at the time
[10:48] <pygi> imbrandon: perhaps, but problems will emerge
[10:48] <pygi> ajmitch, imbrandon : I've found several issues already
[10:48] <pygi> imbrandon: and dvd AFAIK uses growisofs
[10:49] <ajmitch> imbrandon: binaries are available thorugh the twisty maze of launchpad
[10:49] <pygi> imbrandon: tho almost same stuff =)
[10:49] <ajmitch> of lrm
[10:49] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ahh , no worries, i'll just wait for it to hit the archive, no big hurry to reboot
[10:49] <imbrandon> for em
[10:49] <imbrandon> me*
[10:50] <ajmitch> yeah, I won't reboot until tonight at least
[10:50] <imbrandon> hrm, i think i'm gonna write a blog entry
[10:51] <ajmitch> yay
[10:51] <ajmitch> fanboy post?
[10:52] <imbrandon> heh , new job post
[10:52] <ajmitch> ah
[10:52] <imbrandon> and other random cruft
[10:53] <cbx33> wish I had a new job to blog about though :0
[10:53] <imbrandon> :)
[10:54] <imbrandon> i try to post atleaste once a week, sometimes its alot more though ( not lately )
[10:54] <cbx33> I post about random stuff mostly, and at the moment about my sleepiness ;)
[10:54] <imbrandon> heh
[10:55] <cbx33> but I've gotten really motivated today
[10:55] <cbx33> ;)
[10:55] <pygi> cbx33: ^_^
[10:55] <cbx33> hey pygi
[10:56] <imbrandon> cbx33: you the one that setup the jabber in your school right ? rock on
[10:56] <imbrandon> your*
[10:57] <cbx33> yes
[10:57] <cbx33> indeed I am
[10:57] <cbx33> I'm writing a bot for it too
[10:57] <imbrandon> cool, yea , that was rockin, i was glad to read that
[10:57] <cbx33> like one of those knowledge bots....
[10:57] <imbrandon> ahh cool
[10:57] <cbx33> like ..... !info store briefing Thismorningsbriefing....
[10:57] <imbrandon> is it just for faculty or students or both ?
[10:57] <cbx33> just faculty at the moment
[10:57] <imbrandon> cool
[10:57] <cbx33> then !info briefing.... and you'll get the result
[10:58] <cbx33> so yeh it's going really well
[10:58] <imbrandon> nice, yea like an irc bot
[10:58] <cbx33> opening peoples eyes to OSS
[10:58] <cbx33> indeed
[10:58] <cbx33> I wrote one of those before....but this one is in my favorite language, python!!!
[10:58] <cbx33> hehe
[10:58] <imbrandon> dh lets me setup a jabber server, i thought about it but i would be the only one to use it
[10:58] <imbrandon> heh, not many would want<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[10:59] <imbrandon> but thats another story
[10:59] <ajmitch> 1:0.4.1bzr46-0ubuntu1
[10:59] <imbrandon> yea the bzr thing?
[10:59] <ajmitch> yeah, wonderful
[10:59] <ajmitch> and and epoch
[10:59] <zul> wtf is prevu?
[10:59] <imbrandon> an epoc already ?
[11:00] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:00] <imbrandon> wow
[11:00] <ajmitch> zul: backporter crack
[11:00] <zul> oh fun
[11:00] <cbx33> eeek!
[11:00] <cbx33> heh
[11:08] <LaserJock> wahoo, my lab just flooded :(
[11:08] <ajmitch> someone left a tap on?
[11:09] <LaserJock> nah, a grad student accidently turned the water on too hard
[11:09] <LaserJock> popped the drain hose off
[11:09] <LaserJock> and nobody noticed
[11:09] <LaserJock> I was sitting here at my computer which is in the next room
[11:09] <LaserJock> and noticed water coming out from under a desk by the wall
[11:10] <imbrandon> wow
[11:10] <LaserJock> yeah, it's going out into the hall a little now
[11:10] <LaserJock> seems the drain is no longer the lowest place in the room :/
[11:11] <imbrandon> leaste its only water, could be worse in a chem lab i bet
[11:11] <Burgwork> LaserJock: aren't grad students fun?
[11:11] <LaserJock> Burgwork: idiots :-)
[11:11] <cbx33> awww that's mean ;~)
[11:11] <cbx33> :p
[11:11] <Burgwork> that isn't very CoC-friendly
[11:11] <ajmitch> hello Burgwork
[11:11] <Burgwork> hey ajmitch
[11:11] <imbrandon> heay Burgwork
[11:12] <LaserJock> Burgwork: yeah, well I'm no Kramer that's for sure ;-)
[11:12] <Burgwork> yep
[11:12] <Burgwork> Mel "Kramer" Gibon
[11:12] <LaserJock> anyway, I guess the Buildings and Grounds deparment is sending a cleanup crew
[11:36] <LaserJock> imbrandon: ping
[11:37] <imbrandon> pong
[11:37] <imbrandon> moins Hobbsee
[11:37] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[11:38] <LaserJock> imbrandon: you know what's up with python-qt4?
[11:38] <imbrandon> no, other than -sip4 makes it uninstallable atm
[11:38] <imbrandon> i havent looked into it much farther
[11:38] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:38] <LaserJock> ok, fine
[11:38] <LaserJock> I'll just be content and wait
[11:39] <imbrandon> Riddell might have , not sure, but either way i'll see if i can figure out the holdup soonish, its keeping kubuntu-desktop from being installable in feisty
[11:39] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:39] <LaserJock> that's my pickle at the moment
[11:40] <LaserJock> I still have all the apps
[11:40] <LaserJock> but my kubuntu-desktop got removed
[11:40] <imbrandon> yea , upgrades are fine for the moment but a freshinstall will bork
[11:40] <imbrandon> its been like that for 2 or 3 days now, i've just been messing with other things
[11:40] <imbrandon> guess that should be a little higher priority
[11:41] <Riddell> imbrandon: I've no looked at it, but it's high on my todo list
[11:41] <imbrandon> Riddell: cool
[11:46] <imbrandon> wow that blog post was alot longer than i expected
[11:46] <imbrandon> GOES!
[11:48] <imbrandon> i duno if its on planet yet, you might have to goto my blog directly untill planet updates
[11:48] <ajmitch> imbrandon: in your MoM replacement (which is what it reads like), can you please track critical debian bugs that are fixed in debian, but not in ubuntu?
[11:48] <ajmitch> otherwise I'll have to hack something up :)
[11:48] <imbrandon> i can see, yea its kinda a "uber mom"
[11:49] <imbrandon> with other stuff mixed in
[11:50] <ajmitch> I've been tempted to write up a bug check thing for awhile
[11:50] <ajmitch> but never got around to it, as per usual
[11:51] <imbrandon> yea my main thing is getting these scripts to run on my webserver, right now i'm at the point of a) run them on my local ubuntu server and sftp them or b) get a dedicated server at my new job and transfer my domain to a ubuntu box
[11:52] <imbrandon> right now i can do certain things on my webserver as its debian based but no root and other niceitys
[11:53] <LaserJock> imbrandon: so is this kinda like mdt?
[11:54] <imbrandon> mdt? you mean the scripts i poched from you ?
[11:54] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:54] <LaserJock> they are lucas'
[11:54] <imbrandon> yea , thats what i based most of this on, is those scripts, i've added some other stuff too
[11:54] <LaserJock> cool
[11:55] <imbrandon> hehe yea thats what gave me the idea that it would be usefull for alot of people
[11:55] <bhale> hello.
[11:55] <imbrandon> heya bhale
[11:55] <ajmitch> hello bhale
[11:56] <imbrandon> ajmitch: +bugtext , but its not really machine readable
[11:56] <bhale> you said useful and malone in the same sentence
[11:56] <bhale> +3 karma
[11:56] <imbrandon> thats one of the gripes fujitsu had
[11:58] <ajmitch> back later
[11:59] <bhale> bye
[12:02] <pygi> bhale: just 3? :P
[12:08] <engla> I uploaded my first package to revu an hour or two ago
[12:08] <engla> but I haven't got any mails, is that alright?
[12:09] <engla> how long does it take for uploads to be processed, I'm just curious if this worked or not. on the wiki it says 5 mins
[12:10] <imbrandon> engla: you dont get a email conformatio of it, it should show up on revu after about 5 minutes