[07:34]  * redtape-renegade puts all eyes on St. Anna (the church) for the definition of a Legal Mass by Mr. Francis.
[07:35] <redtape-renegade> Shout-out, Alright there ! HAPPY ST PATRICKS DAY TO ONE AND ALL. :D
[07:37] <redtape-renegade> (couldn't resist caps as I have already hat a pint of Guiness at 07:05 at the Olde Rovers Return, Church street due to the GrandPrix 24hr ::::::: opening hour Rule.)
[07:37] <redtape-renegade> Alonso is 3rd BTW.
[07:51] <redtape-renegade> popey,
[07:51] <redtape-renegade> ^ was Right All Along ::  https://twitter.com/popey/status/304193686932164608
[07:54] <redtape-renegade> +1 ! |   OH low point of my crazy drunkerd morning..  .  Morning !
[09:19] <jacobw> Morning Ubuntoids
[09:24] <redtape-renegade> Morning .. Do you know how to use TigerVNC atall jacobw ?
[09:34] <jacobw> I know how to use VNC
[09:36] <jacobw> redtape-renegade: What are you trying to do?
[09:37] <redtape-renegade> I'm asking for a guy From India, but he's quit :S
[09:37] <jacobw> I don't see
[09:38] <redtape-renegade> Doesn't matter we was under " Tester34324 " anhow : Ply a joker .
[09:38] <redtape-renegade> **anyhow...
[10:27] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[14:06]  * redtape-renegade enters a raffle for a Kenny Dalglish Liverpool FC football shirt (framed) for £600 | Mon Deu, that's 600 stub tickets !!!
[16:12] <jacobw> Afternoon
[17:29] <bigcalm> directhex: how much of The Cave have you been playing?
[17:41] <redtape-renegade> bigcalm, I'm still tryin' to get "Solar 2 " to work in Xubuntu - S0oo zero          :|
[17:56]  * redtape-renegade eats good chow and special Gravy :D
[18:17] <directhex> bigcalm, i finished a playthrough
[18:27] <bigcalm> directhex: surprised how much fun it's been so far. Worth the money compared to some of the other puzzle games that have been on Steam
[18:27] <bigcalm> redtape-renegade: Solar 2 works just fine on my set-up as well as my phone and tablet. Also a bit of fun
[18:28] <bigcalm> directhex: I was going to ask for some help with the Time Machine stage, but I worked it out
[18:38] <directhex> bigcalm, i could have helped! remember that you only have that stage if you picked the time traveller
[18:42] <bigcalm> directhex: indeed. I was going in circles until I worked out how to make the well appear
[18:42] <directhex> yeah, same
[18:42] <bigcalm> I'm glad that each stage is self contained and that you don't need to remember to bring objects from previous stages
[18:43]  * bigcalm was going to do some work. The Cave is more interesting though :D
[18:46] <bigcalm> I'm in a boat!
[18:47] <directhex> you mean you don't need the destroyed can of corn?
[18:47] <directhex> :o
[18:48] <bigcalm> Erk, I didn't bring it
[19:12] <bigcalm> Roll out the barrel
[19:36] <bigcalm>  Just finished 1 play though with the knight, hobo and time traveller. Wonder when I'll have another play
[20:26] <redtape-renegade> bigcalm, I just bought Solar 2 twice ! Still can't get to install from the software center .. how do you do properly install it ?
[21:36] <j0nr> hello all. Can anyone recommend some accounting software that is web based that I can install on my web server? I need to be able to track hours worked, produce invoices, track money in / out etc
[21:36] <j0nr> I just came across webERP but don't think it does the time keeping I need
[22:54] <AlanBell> j0nr: openerp might work, but it is potentially a bit overcomplicated
[23:55] <bittin> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01r3xly :)
[23:56] <bittin> BBC sometimes airs awesome stuff


[00:03] <tseliot> cjwatson: as I said in #distro, I'll fix it
[00:04]  * cjwatson nods
[00:17] <mathiaz> is anyone else receiving LP emails four times?
[00:18] <jpds> mathiaz: Known issue.
[00:38] <kirkland> slangasek: i'm trying to clean up some atrocious conffile handling in eucalyptus
[00:38] <kirkland> slangasek: i need a little help
[00:49] <slangasek> kirkland: nothing a judicious use of rm -rf won't fix
[00:49] <kirkland> slangasek: ever the optimist!
[00:49] <Claviceps> POWERAID POWERAID POWERAID
[00:49] <Claviceps> POWERAID POWERAID POWERAID
[00:49] <Claviceps> POWERAID POWERAID POWERAID
[00:49] <Claviceps> POWERAID POWERAID POWERAID
[00:49] <Claviceps> POWERAID POWERAID POWERAID
[00:49] <Claviceps> POWERAID POWERAID POWERAID
[00:50] <kirkland> slangasek: okay so here's the question, i'll try to state as simply as possible
[00:50] <slangasek> !ops | Claviceps
[00:50] <kirkland> slangasek: /etc/eucalyptus/eucalyptus.conf is currently a conffile, though much maligned ... it most certainly should not be
[00:51] <kirkland> slangasek: i have a large patch that's in the process of fixing this
[00:51] <kirkland> slangasek: in the preinst, if upgrading from an older version, i want to move the contents of known conffile eucalyptus.conf to eucalyptus-local.conf
[00:52] <kirkland> slangasek: then i want my package to install the new, clean, better managed conffile eucalyptus.conf into it's old location
[00:52] <slangasek> so /etc/eucalyptus/eucalyptus.conf will remain a conffile, check
[00:52] <kirkland> slangasek: will that work?  or will dpkg refuse to install on top of a mv'd (removed) file?
[00:52] <kirkland> slangasek: check.
[00:53] <kirkland> slangasek: it will look like this now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/353722/
[00:53] <slangasek> kirkland: I can't say off the top of my head; it will *either* give you a conffile prompt about the diff between <null> and <new version>, or it will fail to install the new conffile at all
[00:53] <kirkland> slangasek: okay
[00:53] <slangasek> kirkland: test and see?
[00:53] <kirkland> slangasek: i'll try it
[00:53] <kirkland> slangasek: sure
[00:54] <kirkland> slangasek: can i run the rest of my solution by you?
[00:54] <kirkland> slangasek: to make sure that the rest is sane?
[00:54] <slangasek> and if possible, restore the pristine conffile in the preinst, to avoid conffile prompts altogether
[00:54] <slangasek> yes, go ahead
[00:54] <kirkland> slangasek: "restore pristen conffile" means cat >/tmp/foo <<EOF .... EOF ?
[00:55] <kirkland> slangasek: ie, just write it out there?
[00:56] <slangasek> if you've already preserved all the local changes by moving them to -local.conf... yes
[00:56] <slangasek> kirkland: sorry, I'm being evicted from here; will try to be online in ~15min
[00:56] <kirkland> slangasek: coolio
[00:56] <kirkland> slangasek: okay
[00:56] <kirkland> slangasek: not an emergency
[01:16] <slangasek> kirkland: ok back
[01:17] <kirkland> slangasek: okay, so the patch i'm currently testing is http://paste.ubuntu.com/353732/
[01:18] <kirkland> slangasek: i can explain what i'm doing, or you can look at that and digest it
[01:18] <kirkland> slangasek: the changelog entry is pretty comprehensive, though
[01:30] <slangasek> kirkland: digesting intermittently
[01:30] <kirkland> slangasek: okey
[01:30] <kirkland> slangasek: testing now
[01:30] <kirkland> slangasek: fixing a couple of minor typos
[01:42] <slangasek> kirkland: corner case: if eucalyptus was removed and then is being reinstalled, preinst will be called with a non-empty $2 but postinst will be called with an empty $2
[01:42] <slangasek> (OTOH, preinst $1 won't be 'upgrade', either)
[01:42]  * kirkland ruminates upon that
[01:43] <kirkland> slangasek: help me out ... what are the consequences?
[01:44] <slangasek> kirkland: if a user has removed-but-not-purged eucalyptus, then installed the new version, they'll get the conffile prompt for /etc/eucalyptus/eucalyptus.conf and none of their old settings will be transferred to /etc/eucalyptus/eucalyptus-local.conf
[01:45] <kirkland> slangasek: ah, hmm...  okay, yeah, i've been purging in all of my testing here
[01:53] <kirkland> slangasek: okay, when that happens, preinst will be caled with $1 = install, right?
[01:54] <slangasek> correct
[01:54] <slangasek> $1 = install && [ -n "$2" ]
[01:54] <slangasek> kirkland: rest of the diff looks ok to me
[01:55] <kirkland> slangasek: so, my preinst conditional should be install | upgrade
[01:58] <kirkland> slangasek: /etc/eucalyptus/eucalyptus.conf
[01:59] <slangasek> kirkland: yep
[01:59] <kirkland> slangasek: coolio
[02:40] <ccheney> the new thinkpads are on lenovo's site now :)
[02:40]  * ccheney drools on the w510
[02:41] <ccheney> quad core, color calibration, led backlit, 1gb nvidia graphics (ugh), etc
[02:41] <ccheney> and can use two 9 cell batteries at once
[02:42] <RAOF> To power that 1gb nvidia graphics chip :)
[02:42]  * RAOF is very happy with his x200s.
[02:44] <ccheney> i have an x200 now
[02:45] <ccheney> the w510 also is 1920x1080 multitouch :)
[02:45] <RAOF> I'd love a laptop as small as my x200s, but with a 1920x1080 15" screen.
[02:45] <RAOF> Obviously the screen would need to fold up, or something.  But Lenovo should make it happen!
[02:46] <ccheney> its not horrible but is 6lb 2.72kg
[02:46] <ccheney> and only does ~ 5hr on 9cell
[02:46] <ccheney> 10hr with the two 9cell setup
[02:47] <RAOF> Better than my 15" asus, which did a little more than 3hr on the brand-new 9cell, but not quite the 7hrs I get from the 6cell on this lappy.
[02:48] <ccheney> they haven't updated tabook for the x210 yet :-\
[02:48] <ccheney> well linux seems to always do much less than windows for power mgmt so probably real world of 3-4hr
[02:49] <RAOF> Boo.  I got real-world 7hrs.  I wonder what Windows would've got?
[02:50] <ccheney> i think i get ~ 6hr or so on my x200 but its rated for ~ 9.5 iirc on windows
[02:50] <ccheney> and it uses much more at the wall under linux than what i hear it uses under windows
[02:51] <ccheney> t410 is rated at 11hr on 9 cell and 22hr with 2 9cell
[02:51] <ccheney> thats pretty nice, too bad the resolution is only 1280x800 :-\
[02:52] <ccheney> hmm i misread the tabook its harder to read than their website since its not consolidated
[02:52] <ccheney> looks like t410 can do up to 1440x900 screen
[02:53] <wgrant> Oh, they went back to nVIDIA? :(
[02:54] <ccheney> wgrant: yea
[02:55] <RAOF> No Intel or ATi options?
[02:55] <ccheney> well i think it is switchable graphics for the dual core options, quad core can't have integrated period with new intel cpus
[02:55] <ccheney> since the integrated graphics are now integrated onto the cpu and the quad cores don't have that option
[02:56] <ccheney> i think the dual core models are probably switchable but i don't know for certain
[02:56] <wgrant> My T400 is switchable Intel/ATI.
[02:58] <wgrant> (I've worked out the ACPI magic to power the card up/down and switch the one that's connected to the LCD, but am yet to discover how to convince the card to POST)
[02:59] <ccheney> oh
[03:01] <ccheney> a nice feature is w510 also has 4 dimm slots so you can upgrade to 8gb cheaply
[03:02] <RAOF> That is nice.
[03:32] <crimsun> fta: alsa-plugins fix uploaded
[03:33] <crimsun> so for those not really following along, the last of the core userspace alsa changes has been uploaded, so we have good pulse pcm routing through alsa
[03:33] <crimsun> this fixes a regression since linux 2.6.27 (8.10 or whereabouts)
[03:34] <fta> crimsun, lucid only?
[04:05] <ccheney> coffee shop wifi finally came back up, heh
[04:06] <bryyce> heya ccheney
[04:06] <bryyce> ccheney, rather late at night to be at a coffee shop!
[04:12] <ccheney> bryyce: coffee, alcohol, and geek meeting, heh
[04:12] <ccheney> iirc they stay open until 2am
[04:13] <ccheney> bryyce: when did you get an extra y?
[04:19] <bryyce> ccheney, my laptop must have stole my other nick
[04:20] <bryyce> or someone else stole it...  "bryce :Nickname is already in use."
[04:26] <ccheney> ah
[04:38] <crimsun> fta: it'll be SRUd to 9.10 at least
[06:10] <tweakt> If I add packages to mini.iso (pool,dists,etc) will it then behave as a standard installer cd?
[10:37] <tseliot> any archive admins around?
[10:38] <sebner> tseliot: is the new Xserver (update from today) supposed to work (with nvidia blob)? ^^
[10:38] <tseliot> sebner: yep
[10:39] <sebner> heh great :)
[12:00] <htrejh> hi
[12:58] <didrocks> cjwatson: the custom.conf regression happened again with the last 15autologin change. I opened a bug explaining it and proposed a quick fix (bug #505140)
[15:34] <freinhard> hi!
[15:35] <freinhard> i just baught a tevii s660 dvb-s2 card. the manufacturer kindly ships linux drivers including GLP2 dvb-s2api stuff and tools and two firmware files without mentioning their liscense. any chance to get the drivers into the firmware package?
[15:37] <persia> freinhard: Getting anything in without a license is exceedingly unlikely.
[15:37] <persia> That should only happen if nobody notices.
[15:38] <freinhard> isn't there any "common" liscense that everything is distributed as, if no liscense is mentioned?
[15:38] <persia> *if* you have license to redistribute and have license to offer the license to redistribute to Ubuntu, you could file a bug against the firmware package and attach the firmware to be included.
[15:39] <freinhard> ok, so i should ask themanufacturer about that
[15:39] <persia> Yep.  Under the Berne Convention, the common license is roughly something like  "You may use this personally, but may not duplicate or distribute commercially without explicit authorisation from the copyright holder"
[15:40] <persia> Please do.
[15:40] <freinhard> ok, the COPYING file explecitely mentions that the firmware is not GPLv2
[15:40] <persia> *Lots* of firmware isn't GPL.  Being GPL isn't a requirement for firmware in Ubuntu.
[15:41] <persia> The key license requirement for firmware (as I understand it) is that Ubuntu has been granted the right to 1) redistribute and 2) permit others to redistribute
[15:42] <persia> And it usually requires special arrangements if that authority is granted only to Ubuntu, rather than granted to anyone who happens to have the firmware.
[15:42] <persia> (or at least anyone who received it under the license that Ubuntu has received it)
[15:44] <freinhard> so there just needs to be a permission to redistribute the firmeware and it can go into linux-firmware-nonfree?
[15:45] <persia> That's my understanding.
[15:45] <freinhard> ok, i'll email the tevii sales about that.
[15:45] <persia> And my recommendation to get it there would be to confirm and document the licensing, and file a bug for it to be included, along with the results of your research.
[15:47] <persia> freinhard: Be sure when emailing them that you request not only that it be licensed for redistribution, but also that it be licensed such that the right to redistribute may be granted to those to whom it is redistributed.
[15:47] <persia> Otherwise there are issues with archive mirrors, etc.
[15:47] <freinhard> oh ok, i'll keep that in mind and do that once i got an answer to my first request i just sent.
[15:48] <persia> Best of luck!
[15:50] <freinhard> is there a dvb group for linux i can contact for packaging the GPLv2 drivers and tools?
[15:50] <freinhard> s/linux/ubuntu/
[15:51] <persia> I don't know much about DVB, but Google tells me http://www.linuxtv.org/ might be a reasonable place to start investigating
[15:52] <persia> For Ubuntu, I don't know of a team that does that, although there are certainly some individuals who do.
[15:58] <freinhard> thank you for you help, i think i'll just package it and put it in my ppy. cu!
[15:59] <persia> freinhard: Well, if you've a clean package, you could also submit to REVU or Debian
[15:59] <persia> Err, gone.
[15:59] <persia> And this is part of why I don't like PPAs :)
[16:25] <tweakt> are there build artifacts on cdimage.u.c that are the d-i bits but for a regualar installer cd, not a netboot? Hoping to use these as a base of my custom CD.
[16:25] <pitti> bryyce: only jan 8> yes, as I wrote on platform I didn't bother to write a DB migration script
[16:26] <tweakt> looking for an initrd.gz, etc
[16:29] <pitti> jdstrand: it says 3/0/4 right now, which seems correct to me when looking at the whiteboard
[16:29] <pitti> jdstrand: perhaps you just changed it recently before looking at it?
[17:33] <htrejh> hi
[17:34] <htrejh> i get undefined referen to's when building using debuilder, and the dev package is in the deps
[17:34] <htrejh> what can be the problem?
[18:07] <ScottK> pitti: Would you please rescore mesa.  It's breaking lots of other stuff as it is and it'd be nice to get it in the archive ASAP.
[18:10] <tseliot> ScottK: are you an archive admin?
[18:10] <ScottK> tseliot: I am.
[18:10] <tseliot> ScottK: can you approve my nvidia packages, please?
[18:11] <tseliot> the source was approved but the new packages were not
[18:11] <ScottK> Let me look.  Becuase I don't have shell access, I'm somewhat limited
[18:11] <tseliot> thanks
[18:12] <tseliot> ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue
[18:12] <ScottK> Looking
[18:12] <tseliot> nvidia-graphics-drivers, nvidia-graphics-drivers-173, nvidia-graphics-drivers-96
[18:13] <ScottK> tseliot: No.  I can't.  I can't do New when I have to change the pocket and something lands in more than one.
[18:13] <ScottK> Pocket/Component
[18:14] <tseliot> ScottK: ah, right, the modaliases
[18:14] <tseliot> ScottK: thanks anyway
[18:14] <ScottK> Yes, exactly.
[18:15]  * tseliot -> dinner
[18:54] <cjwatson> didrocks: hmm. I *really* don't like using echo -e; it has a habit of producing weird side-effects later when things are run under a shell you didn't expect. How about this trick to ensure that the same syntax is acceptable in either case?  sed -i "\$s/\$/\n$AutologinParameters/" >> $GDMCustomFile
[18:55] <cjwatson> tweakt: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/cdrom/ (we use these for our own CD builds too ...)
[20:11] <htrejh> hi
[20:11] <htrejh> what is the best naming for a svn version of a program on my ppa?
[20:13] <jpds> htrejh: version~svnREVISION~ppa1.
[20:13]  * matti hugs jpds
[20:14] <htrejh> thanks
[20:56] <Guest39900> hello can anyone hear me
[20:58] <mneptok> not now
[21:01] <sistpoty> hearing on irc is pretty much non-trivial ;)
[21:02] <Tm_T> sistpoty: not really, just put your irc-client speak everything out loud
[21:03] <sistpoty> heh
[21:03] <charlie-tca> I can't get xchat to talk to me at all
[21:05] <Tm_T> charlie-tca: time to file a bug then (;
[21:06] <mneptok> charlie-tca: look at the app's name. you don't want it talking to you. it talks dirty.
[21:06] <mneptok> "Oh yeah, baby. You know the right port. Oh yeah ...."
[21:10]  * charlie-tca thinks you mneptok might be right
[22:21] <r2wj> who will apply my patch? :(
[22:22] <r2wj> I made a bug report and a patch
[22:22] <r2wj> and now.. it just sits there
[22:22] <r2wj> What happens next? Nobody will tell me
[22:23] <crimsun> -ECONTEXT
[22:25] <ramvi> There's a bunch of debs in this repo: http://archive.geteasypeasy.com/1.6/pool/main/ubuntu/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/ant/
[22:25] <ramvi> They're symlinked in. They don't show up in the browser, and can't be downloaded, 403, why is that?
[22:26] <sistpoty> ramvi: 403 is usually permission denied. Ask them?
[22:26] <ramvi> sistpoty: Them is me. That's why I need help. Want to set up an ubuntu mirror
[22:28] <sistpoty> ramvi: oh, I see... not too sure to be honest, probably eitiher a problem with your mirror script or a.u.c has on purpose disabled permissons for ant (not that I'm aware of that, but checking permissions there might give clues)
[23:05] <sistpoty> ScottK: mesa: maybe-fixed. I'm ashamed, test-build never succeeded for me, but for contributors, see #ubuntu-x. I never did upload anything that didn't build for me before that though :/
[23:17] <MattJ> Nafallo: Any chance of Gajim 0.13.1 in Lucid?
[23:34] <sistpoty> is my mesa upload somehow stuck in a queue I'm not aware of?
[23:34] <crimsun> which source version?
[23:35] <sistpoty> mesa_7.6.1~rc3-1ubuntu3
[23:35] <crimsun> to lucid?
[23:35] <crimsun>       mesa | 7.7-0ubuntu2 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main Sources
[23:35] <sistpoty> crimsun: thanks, that explains it all... somehow my source archive was all the time out of date
[23:36] <sistpoty> probably I'm an idiot :)


[00:12] <mykhyggz> so I want to install this next to my windoze and ubuntu lts. I have free partition sda8. mounted is /dev/sda1 on /boot/efi -- so when I get the option to do "something else" do I just accept boot on /dev/sda and select sda8, then? Overwriting my work install won't be okay... ;-)
[00:23] <mykhyggz> meh. well, maybe I'll have one more chance to abort before it wrecks up my other partitions, if I don't pick right. Cheers, all.
[00:47] <mykhyggz> well, I totally chickened out -- I can't see what I'm to do to be sure I'm installing on a free partition and not b0rking my work installations. I have an ext4 ready, /boot exists, swap exists. I shouldn't need to format or partition... :(
[09:13] <Blackadder> Why does uninstalling a mail reader in xubuntu also remove the xubuntu desktop environment?
[09:14] <Blackadder> The same goes for other seemingly harmless 'redundant' software.
[09:16] <gnrp> Blackadder: What do you mean? That xubuntu-* package is removed?
[09:16] <Blackadder> Well I'm not on xubuntu atm, but yesterday, when I removed mail reader, and rebooted, I couldn't do anything on the desktop
[09:16] <Blackadder> everything was gone
[09:17] <gnrp> Blackadder: These are meta packages, which means they do not have any content to themselves, but provide dependencies on all the packages that are assumed to be on a system
[09:17] <gnrp> yu should never remove any xubuntu-* package
[09:17] <Blackadder> damn that's annoying
[09:18] <Unit193> Well, xubuntu-desktop is pretty safe to lose actually, though I don't know if GNOME software handles that very very poorly.
[09:19] <Blackadder> I'm on lubuntu atm, and when I try to remove pidgin from the synaptic package manager, it will also remove lubuntu-desktop and lubuntu-gtk-desktop
[09:19] <Blackadder> seems silly that those things must co-exist
[09:20] <DarkTrick> I'm on xubuntu. Pidgin was no problem to remove
[09:20] <Blackadder> yeah I think I could remove that one as well
[09:20] <Blackadder> but there were others, seemingly redundant, that completely ruined my desktop
[09:22] <Unit193> Yeah but it's not important for xubuntu-desktop to be installed, though the upgrader (to newer releases) will re-install it.
[09:24] <Blackadder> I don't understand why it isnt important, if it removing it makes my desktop unusable
[09:25] <Unit193> Well, it simply shouldn't do that.  I don't have -desktop and haven't for quite some time.
[09:29] <DarkTrick> Unit193, you're working only on a tty?
[09:29] <Unit193> If by "tty" you mean "Xfce DE", then sure.  Otherwise no.
[09:30] <Blackadder> Anyway, thanks for the replies guys
[09:30] <Unit193> Blackadder: What'd you use to uninstall thunderbird?
[09:30] <Unit193> Err, 'mail reader'.  Do you mean thunderbird or...exo itself?
[09:31] <Blackadder> it was called mail reader in the 'software shop'
[09:31] <Unit193> I'd personally recommend anything but that, but that *may* mean 'exo', which is not an email client but something important to Xfce.
[09:33] <Blackadder> makes sense, I think
[09:33] <DarkTrick> Would probably nice to mark it as such in the software center.
[10:19] <brainwash> Blackadder: bug 1783764
[10:19] <Blackadder> crashes computer is a bit exaggerated
[10:20] <brainwash> so, mail reader is a shortcut provided by exo, and exo is an essential component of xfce
[14:23] <rebab> Is 20 GB HDD enough for Xubuntu?
[14:27] <GridCube> yes
[18:19] <dff> i tried everything google has to offer on this
[18:20] <dff> after installing nvidias drivers the splash screen is low res
[18:28] <dff> this did not help unfortunately . https://www.onetransistor.eu/2016/03/plymouth-fix-nvidia.html
[18:34] <brainwash> dff: I would ask in #ubuntu
[18:35] <brainwash> personally, I never bothered with this, and just disabled the boot splash
[18:38] <dff> ive tried like 50 solutions
[18:39] <dff> none work, my grub and initramfs-tools files look like aids now
[19:16] <Gobelijn> Thanks to whoever helped me this morning with answering my questions about meta packages and why they deleted my desktop environment
[19:16] <Gobelijn> Xubuntu has now become my main distro.
[19:19] <dff> i just have one hang out after using it for a couple of days
[19:20] <dff> the bottom right corner of the window manage is like 1 pixel wide to invoke the resize window mechanic
[19:20] <dff> other than that it's looking like it will become my main too
[19:20] <Gobelijn> Yeah true, I changed the theme to Daloa to prevent that
[19:20] <dff> i havent got that far yet
[19:20] <Gobelijn> Its in window manager
[19:21] <dff> oh
[19:21] <Gobelijn> Below style
[19:21] <dff> ah nice
[19:21] <dff> thanks
[19:21] <Gobelijn> your welcome
[19:21] <Gobelijn> you're
[19:21] <Gobelijn> I spent the last 3 days trying out different distros
[19:22] <dff> ive spent weeks
[19:22] <dff> i give a distro 3 weeks
[19:22] <dff> last one to get thrown out was linux mint
[19:23] <dff> ive yet to try arch or gentoo tho
[19:23] <dff> im not sure im cool enough
[19:23] <Gobelijn> hahah
[19:24] <Gobelijn> It was a close match between lubuntu and opensuse
[19:24] <Gobelijn> This morning I stumbled upon peppermint, which looked very promising and felt the same
[19:24] <Gobelijn> but its not as lightweight as l/xubuntu
[19:26] <dff> bottom line for me is the DE
[19:26] <dff> what's beneath doesnt really matter much to me
[19:26] <dff> debian based is a + tho
[19:31] <Gobelijn> can't believe I've never had to do this in linux before
[19:31] <Gobelijn> but how do you hide a map?
[19:32] <Gobelijn> oh, just place a dot at start of name
[19:32] <Gobelijn> cool
[19:35] <dff> you've never had to edit dotfiles?
[19:35] <dff> or use ls -a? :)
[19:42] <Gobelijn> no idea what that last thing means
[19:43] <dff> open a terminal
[19:43] <dff> type ls -a and enter
[19:43] <dff> ls = list
[19:44] <dff> -a = all
[19:46] <Gobelijn> Ah yeah I remember
[19:46] <Gobelijn> the ls
[19:46] <Gobelijn> wasn't thinking clearly
[19:49] <dff> you'll get a lot more out of your linux experience if you start getting comfortable with the command line
[19:50] <dff> i use it way more than any gui front end
[19:50] <Gobelijn> I used sudo nano this morning, so thats something :p
[19:50] <dff> a start
[19:51] <Gobelijn> to edit a protected file
[19:51] <Gobelijn> but you're right though
[19:51] <dff> you changed a configuration file i take it
[19:51] <Gobelijn> should use it way more often
[19:51] <Gobelijn> yes
[20:35] <Gobelijn> goddamn I'm happy with xubuntu
[22:36] <Kumool> (its a damn lie! run away!)


[00:25] <nschembr_> is there a group handling the livecd?
[00:27] <nschembr_> I found an inconsistency in the boot scripts
[00:45] <nschembr_> I found an inconsistency in the boot scripts
[00:45] <nschembr_> I'm remastering the livecd.
[00:45] <nschembr_> I needed to include a static ip address
[00:45] <nschembr_> I used a working /etc/network/interface file
[00:45] <nschembr_> the disk continued to boot dhcp
[00:45] <nschembr_> I found the option ip=frommedia
[00:45] <nschembr_> the text file for isolinux for this option is blank
[00:45] <nschembr_> that is not the bug
[00:45] <nschembr_> The bug, if I've included a /etc/network/interface file
[00:46] <nschembr_> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom/23networking should use it without the option ip=frommedia
[00:47] <nschembr_> is this a bug?
[00:47] <nschembr_> is this the correct irc channel
[07:59] <CIA-3> casper: TheMuso * r575 trunk/debian/changelog:
[07:59] <CIA-3> casper: ubiquity-hooks/30accessibility:
[07:59] <CIA-3> casper: - If using a laptop, enable the laptop keyboard layout
[07:59] <CIA-3> casper: - There is no longer a need to set gconf values as root in only-ubiquity
[07:59] <CIA-3> casper:  mode
[08:01] <CIA-3> casper: TheMuso * r576 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.156
[08:28] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r600 trunk/ (debian/changelog lib/components/timezone.py):
[08:28] <CIA-3> oem-config: In unfiltered mode, don't reask locale questions in the timezone
[08:28] <CIA-3> oem-config: component.
[08:31] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r601 trunk/debian/ (changelog rules):
[08:31] <CIA-3> oem-config: Drop priority of user-setup/encrypt-home question so that it isn't asked
[08:31] <CIA-3> oem-config: in unfiltered mode.
[09:43] <CIA-3> usb-creator: evand * r74 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): Sync the disk at the end of installation.
[13:07] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r602 trunk/ (8 files in 6 dirs):
[13:07] <CIA-3> oem-config: Add a "network" component (only usable in the debconf frontend at the
[13:07] <CIA-3> oem-config: moment) that runs netcfg.
[13:11] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r603 trunk/debian/oem-config.templates: add network choice to oem-config/steps
[13:14] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r604 trunk/lib/frontend/base.py: add network to VALID_PAGES in BaseFrontend too
[13:17] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r605 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.54.5
[15:07] <CIA-3> partman-base: cjwatson * r127 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog partman-base.templates):
[15:07] <CIA-3> partman-base: Add partman/default_filesystem template so that we can remove hardcoding
[15:07] <CIA-3> partman-base: of ext3 from elsewhere in partman, and make the default filesystem
[15:07] <CIA-3> partman-base: preseedable.
[15:11] <CIA-3> partman-base: cjwatson * r128 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 128ubuntu6
[15:34] <CIA-3> partman-target: cjwatson * r745 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 58ubuntu3
[19:09] <redmage123> Hello all.
[19:10] <redmage123> Hello all. zn
[19:10] <redmage123> anybody alive here?
[20:38] <redmage123> Hello?  Anybody around?
[21:50] <redmage123> Hello.  anyone around?


[17:59] <Mish> New update  with the icons ---  https://www.wuala.com/Mishrito/Icons/?key=CRBaTkk2DEln
[18:37] <zequence> Mish: Not bad. The colors look nice
[18:38] <zequence> I had to think for a moment what the arrow was, until I realized it was a flash
[18:38] <zequence> So, it didn't hit me like lightning
[18:39] <zequence> And thought he pen is well made, for some reason I had difficulty seeing it as such
[18:39] <Mish> you mean seeing it in the 16x16 version right?
[18:39] <Mish> or do you mean recognizing it (cause that was supposed to be a pencil :))
[18:39] <zequence> The brush for graphics is also a little bit hard to make out
[18:40] <zequence> Ah, yes. Pencil, sorry
[18:40] <Mish> I tried to choose shapes and objects that were non-invasive
[18:40] <zequence> If the brush had some hairs or something, a bit split, maybe it would be clearer?
[18:40] <Mish> and bring the main focus on the cololurs
[18:40] <Mish> but the shapes neep to be recognizable too
[18:40] <zequence> I think with the text, the icons would work fine
[18:41] <Mish> main trouble I had was with the pencil
[18:41] <Mish> I'm preparing a screenshot with them in the menus
[18:41] <zequence> But, if one wants to be pedantic, things could always be improved :)
[18:41] <Mish> also tried to keep similar colours separate
[18:42] <Mish> yes definitely, I'd like some feedback
[18:53] <Mish> screenshot -- https://www.wuala.com/Mishrito/Icons/?key=CRBaTkk2DEln
[19:11] <Mish> screenshot in a dark theme  --- https://www.wuala.com/Mishrito/Icons/?key=CRBaTkk2DEln
[19:33] <zequence> Mish: I still suspect white foreground would look better. Did you try that?
[19:34] <zequence> Otherwise, the bg colors look nice on both
[19:34] <Mish> ok I'll do lighter foregrounds as well
[23:26] <GNUdru> what's the thinking on Mir/XMir for Ubuntu Studio?
[23:32] <zequence> GNUdru: We don't have our own DE, so it's not really up to us
[23:33] <GNUdru> do you get it from Xubuntu?
[23:35] <zequence> GNUdru: Yeah, basically. The XFCE desktop we have is originally imported from Xubuntu
[23:36] <zequence> and we still follow their work somewhat
[23:36] <zequence> Currently we are working at becoming DE agnostics, which would further remove us from that
[23:36] <GNUdru> zequence: according to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/11/%23xubuntu-devel.html it looks very iffy
[23:37] <zequence> GNUdru: May I ask the reason to your inquiry?
[23:37] <GNUdru> interesting, how is DE agnostisticism accomplished?
[23:38] <GNUdru> trying to plan ahead for what distro to focus on and recommend to other digital artists.  generally i like Xubuntu quite a bit
[23:41] <GNUdru> i've been enjoying Ubuntu Studio 12.04.1 . i took a glance at Ubuntu Studio 10.04.x some time back and was intrigued and then came back to it.  its pretty cool IMO
[23:47] <zequence> GNUdru: We are looking at how we can support more than one DE. And it may happen that we end up having no DE setup of our own, aside from artwork, and a few other things
[23:54] <GNUdru> that might be good zequence if it allowed U-S to focus on its strong points and let the upstreams do their thing.  less duplication of effort


[12:06] <dolson> back. :(
[12:13] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[12:13] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock
[12:21] <LaserJock> hi seth
[12:21] <tseng> I had to turn Xgl off to watch video
[12:21] <seth> hiya LaserJock
[12:22] <LaserJock> so does Xgl run regular stuff faster? or is it just bling?
[12:22] <tseng> its all bling
[12:22] <tseng> and only works on a few bits of hardware
[12:23] <tseng> people like to harp on how it makes things appear "smoother" by redrawing damage in an offscreen buffer
[12:23] <crimsun> KDE won't even load with Xgl on the i810 driver
[12:23] <tseng> but that makes it play video at half speed
[12:23] <tseng> on my geforce4 ti
[12:24] <tseng> not what i consider a low end piece of equipment
[12:25] <LaserJock> I kinda wish X was faster but I kinda like the bling too. OSX has really nice bling I'm finding.
[12:25] <Amaranth> OS X bling is nice
[12:43] <minghua> isn't graphical interface at all just bling? :-P
[12:45] <dolson> minghua uses one of those keyboards with 4 keys, 0, 1, abort, and enter
[12:45] <minghua> real men don't need abort
[12:46] <LaserJock> minghua: to some degree I agree, but there are quite a few apps that just aren't the same in ASCII art ;-)
[12:46] <dolson> yeah, well, you shouldn't need enter either. you should just code that in with extra 1s and 0s
[12:46] <dolson> LaserJock: he plays games like UT with libaa :)
[12:46] <crimsun> abort is for wussies, real men don't need to abort because their programs never have bugs
[12:47] <minghua> btw I never claimed I don't like bling, or I am a real man :-)
[12:47] <dolson> Xgl looks great, but simply is way too immature at this time. especially if something like GNOME MouseKeys crashes it. :(
[01:20] <LaserJock> hi raphink
[01:21] <raphink> hello LaserJock <><
[01:21] <LaserJock> how's it going?
[01:22] <raphink> quite good :)
[01:22] <raphink> just back from playing billards with a friend
[01:22] <raphink> and I tried to install Kubuntu DF4 and enable Xgl+compiz to see if it worked "out of the box"
[01:23] <raphink> how about you LaserJock ?
[01:24] <LaserJock> I tried to get Flight 4 to install in a OSX qemu but it kept freezing. Breezey installed ok though.
[01:24] <LaserJock> I'm trying to work on the Packaging Guide and figure if I need to do some UVF exception requests
[01:25] <LaserJock> I should be doing a lot more work at school but Ubuntu is much more exciting
[01:25] <raphink> hehe indeed :)
[01:26] <raphink> LaserJock: is the packaging guide to be released with dapper?
[01:26] <LaserJock> yes
[01:26] <raphink> maybe I should spend some time helping you then
[01:26] <raphink> I'm going to work on REVU2 I think
[01:26] <raphink> then a bit on klik
[01:27] <raphink> and I might get some time to work on the packaging guide if you want me in ;)
[01:27] <LaserJock> it's in the gnome-help, I'm not sure if it is in KDE yet
[01:27] <LaserJock> raphink: any help is always welcome, I'd like at least to get some MOTU's to look it over when I'm reasonablly done
[01:28] <raphink> sure :)
[01:28] <raphink> I have to set some goals now
[01:28] <raphink> reviewing is not a priority anymore
[01:28] <raphink> so my main activity is gone ;)
[01:28] <raphink> and I'm not much of a bug fixer ;)
[01:31] <LaserJock> I'm not very good at bug fixing either, it seems like it usually comes down to something upstream needs to fix.
[01:31] <raphink> mhm
[01:31] <raphink> I'll let people who are good at it fix bugs ;)
[01:32] <raphink> I'll review and upload fixes when that's useful ;)
[01:32] <raphink> but I enjoy developping more
[01:32] <raphink> if I can do it
[01:33] <LaserJock> everybody has their specialization
[01:34] <raphink> LaserJock: sure :)
[01:34] <LaserJock> I'll like organizing and documenting, and merging ;-)
[01:35] <raphink> yes, too :)
[01:35] <raphink> I had fun working on the wiki
[01:36] <raphink> :)
[01:40] <raphink> I think I'll be waiting a bit for klik
[01:40] <raphink> although I think it's already in a distro
[03:19] <LaserJock> hi marcin`
[03:20] <marcin`> LaserJock: hi
[03:43] <LaserJock> dolson: what's wrong?
[03:44] <dolson> LaserJock: oh lots of things. :)
[03:44] <Se7h> hi
[03:45] <dolson> LaserJock: I just discovered some sore spots on my head... gotta ask the doc about that. and I'm disappointed at the Gnome screensaver stuff on the -devel list
[03:45] <LaserJock> I see
[03:45] <dolson> I guess I'm stupid to think that a screensaver that requires configuration options should be configurable to be user-friendly
[03:47] <LaserJock> dolson: well, to be honest I really don't understand why Gnome what it does sometimes. I've given up trying to figure out what they are thinking. For the most part it works for me so I leave it at that.
[03:48] <dolson> LaserJock: yeah, but it is a source for headaches.. maybe that's where the sore spots came from!
[03:48] <LaserJock> lol, could be. I've got a hole in my tooth I need to get fixed. Maybe it is from all the Malone bugs ;-)
[03:50] <dolson> I need to get my wisdom teeth pulled, not looking forward to that
[03:54] <marcin`> LaserJock: remember our discussion we had yesterday about problems with collaboration?
[04:11] <LaserJock> marcin`: sorry, was eating dinner. yes, I remember
[04:11] <hub> is that bug ok to fix? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/exiv2/+bug/32905
[04:11] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32905 in exiv2 "improper split -dev and lib and dependencies there of" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[04:11] <hub> I just filed it, and I am willing to fix it
[04:19] <minghua> hub: looks like proper analysis to me
[04:20] <hub> minghua: well I'm having the problem
[04:20] <hub> when I see how the package is made, I'm not surprised
[04:20] <hub> I'll fix it
[04:20] <hub> debian has a newer version anyway
[04:21] <hub> I'll check it a report upstream to have it fixed
[04:25] <marcin`> LaserJock: no problem...
[04:25] <hub> so the question is do I upload directly or not
[04:27] <marcin`> LaserJock: anyway today I just realized that vtigercm package in REVU is broken
[04:27] <minghua> hub: my understanding is that for new debian version you need a UVF exception, right?  so I'll just upload the fix if I were you
[04:28] <marcin`> LaserJock: and is broken because Maintainer removed my changes but did it wothout care so now package doesn't work properly in few cases
[04:28] <hub> no
[04:28] <hub> not new debian
[04:28] <hub> juste a patch of this one
[04:28] <hub> I didn';t intend to update from debian
[04:32] <LaserJock> minghua: new debian version is ok, just not new upstream version
[04:33] <minghua> LaserJock: oh yes your are right
[04:36] <LaserJock> marcin`: ok, well can you make a patch to fix it?
[04:37] <hub> LaserJock: afaik new debian version not ok
[04:37] <hub> LaserJock: anyway I'm just fixing the package in place
[04:37] <hub> LaserJock: I'll check the debian package in sid and submit a debdiff
[04:38] <LaserJock> hub: no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstreamVersionFreeze
[04:39] <hub> LaserJock: new debian = upstream
[04:39] <LaserJock> no
[04:40] <hub> "The point at which we cease accepting new upstream versions of packages, whether they are sourced from Debian or not."
[04:41] <LaserJock> yeah, whether they come from Debian or not we don't take any newer upstream versions which is not the Debian versions
[04:42] <hub> well whatever.
[04:42] <hub> there is not need to get a newer version
[04:42] <hub> just fixing the package
[04:42] <LaserJock> right
[04:42] <hub> the newer version will come after the release
[04:48] <hub> uploaded
[04:49] <LaserJock> sweet
[06:42] <crimsun> Seveas: is someone working on the hoary and dapper fixes for CAN-2006-0579?
[06:45] <crimsun> (rather, did you coordinate w/ someone to push in those fixes?)
[07:24] <zakame> hello MOTUS
[07:26] <crimsun> hi zak
[07:44] <TheMuso> c
[07:44] <TheMuso> crap...
[07:45] <jsgotangco> d
[07:45] <jsgotangco> darn...
[07:45] <TheMuso> heh!
[07:46] <TheMuso> Twas the wrong window, as sometimes my KVM decides to hahve a little screw up. :)
[09:17] <fabbione> hellp
[09:17] <fabbione> hello
[09:17] <fabbione> who is "Gauvain Pocentek"?
[09:17] <crimsun> 'lo fabbione
[09:18] <fabbione> hey crimsun
[09:18] <fabbione> does he IRC?
[09:18] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gauvain
[09:18] <fabbione> thanks
[09:19] <fabbione> he is  not online
[09:19] <fabbione> i assume he is a fresh MOTU
[09:19] <fabbione> right?
[09:19] <fabbione> can somebody please explain to him that:
[09:19] <fabbione> Changes:
[09:19] <fabbione>  splay (<IP_ADDRESS>-7build1) dapper; urgency=low
[09:19] <fabbione>  .
[09:19] <fabbione>    * Ubuntu rebuild
[09:19] <fabbione> makes no sense
[09:20] <fabbione> there must be a reason for a rebuild..
[09:20] <fabbione> specially for 4 pkgs...
[09:20] <crimsun> he doesn't have upload right afaict
[09:20] <fabbione> oh i see
[09:20] <fabbione> ah ah ah
[09:20] <zakame> hmm where is he?
[09:23] <fabbione> ok
[09:23] <fabbione> thanks for the info guys
[09:23] <crimsun> np :)
[09:50] <zakame> hey Gloubiboulga
[09:51] <Gloubiboulga> hey zakame :)
[09:51] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: fabbione was looking for you earlier, re: 4 pkgs with `Ubuntu rebuild' in the debian/changelog
 Changes:
  splay (<IP_ADDRESS>-7build1) dapper; urgency=low
  .
    * Ubuntu rebuild
 makes no sense
 there must be a reason for a rebuild..
 specially for 4 pkgs...
[10:03] <Gloubiboulga> zakame, yes, I mailed me
[10:04] <Gloubiboulga> he mailed me*
[10:04] <zakame> ah
[10:04] <zakame> heya poningru
[10:04] <Gloubiboulga> I've posted debdiffs on malone for the unmet deps, but have not been precise in the changelog
[10:05] <Gloubiboulga> this won't happen again ;)
[10:33] <TheMuso> Is there any way in malone to search only for universe bugs?
[10:33] <TheMuso> If there is, I haven't found it yet. :)
[10:37] <raphink> TheMuso: not that I know
[10:37] <raphink> TheMuso: but when you look at a bug, using the package overview tells you whether it's a universe or main package
[10:38] <TheMuso> Right. I guess another way would be to look up one's apt-cache to see where it is from.
[11:02] <Lathiat> hrm is anyone here using apache2 on breezy with suexec on vhosts?
[11:02] <Lathiat> i cant seem to get mine to play ball and im wondering if theres a bug
[11:02] <Lathiat> if i pout the SuexecUserGroup line in, the scripts give "immature end of headers back", bu the same script runs fine if i suexec it with mod_userdir (e.g. ~lathiat/squaa.org/test.cgi rather than squaa.org/test.cgi)
[11:10] <jsgotangco> uh oh
[11:10] <jsgotangco> tv is now showing tanks
[11:13] <jsgotangco> oh crap
[11:19] <raphink> yop gusaweb racoon97
[11:19] <racoon97> raphink>  hi :)
[11:19] <raphink> && hello jpatrick too :)
[11:19] <gusaweb> raphink hello
[11:20] <jpatrick> yo raphink
[11:20] <raphink> :)
[11:20] <raphink> pretty silent today :)
[11:21] <jpatrick> do you remember what this XDG .desktop file thing was about?
[11:21] <jpatrick> I'm adding it to the PackagingGuide
[11:21] <raphink> sure jpatrick I documented it on the wiki
[11:21] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing#head-8ee1f680b469a5bb2c262876490529a32362cf9d
[11:21] <raphink> jpatrick: there are links to FreeDesktop.org
[11:21] <jpatrick> great
[11:35] <TheMuso> c
[11:35] <TheMuso> sorry wrong window again.
[11:35] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:37] <TheMuso> Has to do with switching back to this machine with my KVM. I could press the button on the KVM as I moved it onto my desk today, but am still used to using the keyboard to switch around.
[11:37] <TheMuso> And speakup sometimes likes to play tricks on me.
[11:51] <Tonio_> hi
[11:52] <Gloubiboulga> hi Tonio_
[11:52] <ivoks> hi
[11:52] <Tonio_> hello Gloubiboulga
[12:02] <Psi-Jack> Hey, what's the best way to dist-upgrade to dapper right now?
[12:02] <ivoks> dist-upgrade
[12:02] <Psi-Jack> With apt, that is. :)
[12:03] <jpatrick> ^^
[12:03] <Psi-Jack> dist-upgrade alone, does not prove to work.
[12:03] <jpatrick> change all breezy's to dapper in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:03] <Psi-Jack> Where's the Hoary to Breezy upgrade wiki?
[12:04] <ivoks> or ask in #ubuntu
[12:04] <ssam> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[12:04] <Psi-Jack> That's the one. :)
[12:05] <Psi-Jack> I remember someone saying using that, was safer than just dist-upgrade. and since I have a server running Dapper, now, and it had problems JUST dist-upgrading, with just very bare minimums, I don't want to just dist-upgrade.
[12:06] <ivoks> ?
[12:07] <Psi-Jack> Hmm. That's odd..
[12:07] <Psi-Jack> I was banned in #ubuntu, and I haven't even been there for days..
[12:08] <ssam> dist-upgrade can remove packages
[12:09] <ssam> i wondered if somebody could talk me though fixing bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/falconseye/+bug/31096
[12:09] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31096 in falconseye "menu entries of some games not correct" [Normal,Confirmed]
[12:10] <ivoks> let me look at that..
[12:10] <ssam> i am pretty sure it just involves changing the .desktop files for a number of packages
[12:11] <ssam> or change the $PATH
[12:11] <ivoks> huh?
[12:11] <ssam> the gnome games use a full path like /usr/games/sol
[12:11] <ivoks> /usr/games isn't in PATH?
[12:12] <ivoks> afaik, /usr/games isn't in PATH only for uid 0
[12:12] <ivoks> that is - root
[12:12] <ivoks> it is in my $PATH
[12:13] <ssam> its not in mine, i installed off a nightly about a week ago
[12:17] <ssam> maybe its https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/+bug/30287
[12:17] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30287 in coreutils "$PATH screwed up; fixable but doesn't stay after reboot" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[12:20] <ivoks> siretart: ping
[12:20] <siretart> ivoks: hey ivoks! long time no see, how are you?
[12:21] <ivoks> broken :( you?
[12:21] <ivoks> i had a major accident on skiing :/
[12:21] <ivoks> but... i have one question
[12:22] <ivoks> i fixed one bug in vpnc, should I ask for UVF exception or just upload it?
[12:28] <siretart> ivoks: oh,. sad to hear :( - I hope you'll recover soon!
[12:28] <siretart> ivoks: if the fix doesn't include a new upstream version, which may break other stuff, just upload it
[12:29] <ivoks> ok
[12:29] <ivoks> it recreates /var/run/vpnc
[12:29] <ivoks> i hate that /var/run on tmpfs :/
[12:30] <ivoks> thanks
[12:31] <siretart> ah, then its obvious. just fix and upload.
[12:31] <siretart> and send a copy of your patch as wishlist bug to debian, so that they can include that in their next upload, faciliating our next merge
[12:32] <ivoks> do they have /var/run on tmpfs too?
[12:32] <ivoks> if not, then they don't need this
[12:33] <ivoks> but i will send it...
[12:33] <siretart> ivoks: there are plans to introduce that in debian as well
[12:33] <ivoks> bye
[12:33] <ivoks> bon appetit :)
[12:42] <fredix> hi
[12:43] <fredix> what about this bug ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libgtk-mozembed-ruby1.8/+bug/6631
[12:43] <Ubugtu> malone bug 6631 in libgtk-mozembed-ruby1.8 "libgtkembedmoz.so: cannot open shared object file" [Normal,Confirmed]
[12:47] <fredix> Does should I change the severity tag to critical ?
[12:48] <siretart> a fix would be even better ;)
[12:49] <fredix> siretart: sure, but how and who ?
[12:49] <siretart> fredix: who: everyone. how: I don't know about ruby
[12:50] <fredix> siretart: I suggested to rebuild the package, because it is fixed in Debian testing/sid
[12:51] <fredix> siretart: So who can rebuild this package ?
[12:51] <siretart> fredix: ah, after having a loog at this, it seems to be debian #345888
[12:51] <Ubugtu> debian bug 345888 in libgtk-mozembed-ruby1.8 "package has no lib files." [<em,Fixed]  http://bugs.debian.org/345888
[12:51] <siretart> so this bug can be fixed by just syncing it
[12:52] <fredix> siretart: great, so who can syncing ? :)
[12:53] <siretart> elmo hasn't processed syncs since 3 weeks :(
[12:53] <jpatrick> he's working on the code
[12:53] <siretart> this reminds me. I wanted to do another sync report, I will add this sync
[12:54] <fredix> ok
[01:01] <siretart> slomo_: do you have any open sync requests?
[01:01] <siretart> slomo_: could you please paste them me somewhere? I'm preparing a sync summary
[01:03] <fredix> siretart: libgtk-trayicon-ruby1.8 have the same prob, but not fixed in debian ...
[01:08] <slomo> siretart: see the answer to your sync-thread on -motu :)
[01:09] <siretart> slomo: I don't find your answer
[01:10] <siretart> I see only answers from sistpoty, \sh, dholbach
[01:10] <slomo_> siretart: "Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:45:57 +0100"
[01:11] <slomo_> siretart: but for mono-tools we already have a newer version so remove that
[01:11] <siretart> slomo_: please bounce me that message, or better, give me an updated list, please
[01:13] <slomo_> siretart: you can sync libgdiplus, gtk-sharp2, ikvm, nemerle, banshee, ipod-sharp, libipoddevice, gmime2.1... xsp and mod-mono have new upstream versions now in debian so we can't sync them anymore *shrug*
[01:15] <siretart> email sent
[01:16] <siretart> okay, another mplayer bug bites the dust
[01:21] <ogra> siretart, ping ....
[01:21] <siretart> ogra: hi
[01:21] <siretart> ogra: did I break something?
[01:21] <siretart> :)
[01:21] <ogra> siretart, sorry for 6620, i wasnt aware of it ...
[01:21] <ogra> didnt know you were working on it
[01:21] <siretart> ogra: no problem, I'm glad you fixed that
[01:21] <siretart> ogra: I just subscribed you before closing it, I hope this didn't annoy you too much
[01:22] <ogra> nah
[01:22] <ogra> i knew there was such a bug, but malone didnt want to sow it to me ....
[01:22] <ogra> *show
[01:24] <siretart> I know about every mplayer bug, because the motumedia team is bug contact for mplayer and other multimedia related packages
[01:24] <ogra> ah
[01:24] <siretart> Seveas: nut?
[01:25] <Seveas> siretart, see my previous mails about it to the motu list
[01:26] <Seveas> tuesday, 15:59 and friday 17:05
[01:28] <siretart> Seveas: besides that the UVF request was not granted yet, did you really check that the packages builds and works correctly in dapper? which version did you check?
[01:28] <siretart> a mail with the body 'nut' does not suggest me that ;)
[01:29] <Seveas> lol ;)
[01:29] <Seveas> I did not check the very latest yet, will do now
[01:35] <siretart> raphink: we did not agree on the UVF of wesnoth yet
[01:35] <siretart> that is UVFER (exception request)
[01:45] <siretart> who is Sasha Tsykin?
[02:08] <bmonty> siretart: ping
[02:08] <siretart> bmonty: hey, long time no see, how are you?
[02:09] <bmonty> siretart: doing well
[02:09] <bmonty> siretart: question on the open sync email
[02:09] <bmonty> I think it is missing the packages from the wiki WorkInProgress page
[02:10] <bmonty> siretart: I think it is missing the packages from the wiki WorkInProgress page
[02:11] <bmonty> did it make it through that time?
[02:11] <siretart> bmonty: I didn't check any wiki pages.
[02:11] <bmonty> OK, do you want me to put the packages on the wiki page in to an email?
[02:14] <siretart> that would be great
[02:15] <bmonty> OK, will do
[02:15] <siretart> I think collecting syncs via email is a better idea. I know that others don't, so I do this experiment.
[02:20] <bmonty> siretart: thanks for making the effort, we definately needed a change from how it was being done before
[02:20] <siretart> https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+poll/motu-workflow
[02:20] <siretart> so nobody voted on using WorkInProgress, most of them voted for using the mailing list.
[02:21] <siretart> I conclude from that that my opinion seems to be the majority
[02:22] <bmonty> I think that eventually Malone needs to have features to support MOTU work
[02:22] <siretart> bmonty: will add your sync request in the next summary next sunday
[02:22] <bmonty> ok, thanks
[02:24] <bmonty> grr, #python is useless....anyone done any external module development for python?
[03:48] <bmonty> hey zakame
[03:48] <zakame> hello MOTUs! :D
[03:48] <zakame> hi bmonty! :D
[05:04] <gusaweb> #ubuntu-doc
[05:04] <gusaweb> sorry
[05:04] <gusaweb> :)
[05:20] <Seveas> siretart, newer nut builds and installs perfectly fine on dapper - can't comment on usage since I don't have a UPS
[06:45] <sistpoty> hi folks
[06:46] <trappist> how to mark a bug report as a dupe in malone?
[06:47] <sistpoty> trappist: there should be a link "mark bug as duplicate" (on the right side iirc)
[06:48] <sistpoty> dolson: I'm just filing a few bug reports and assign them to you for your packages that have made it into the archive that lack a manpage
[06:49] <trappist> sistpoty: thanks, totally missed that
[06:49] <sistpoty> np
[07:08] <terrex> ( o Y o )
[07:21] <G0SUB> hello!
[07:21] <G0SUB> I contribute directly to Debian which eventually percolate down to Ubuntu ... will this contribution count as contribution to Ubuntu?
[07:46] <jpatrick> G0SUB: yes
[07:46] <G0SUB> jpatrick awesome
[07:46] <jpatrick> all deb devs == ubuntu devs
[07:46] <G0SUB> jpatrick I am the maintainer of two debian packages in main & also the lead translator of Debian G-I to Bengali
[07:47] <jpatrick> cool
[07:48] <G0SUB> jpatrick I wonder if I could do some exclusive ubuntu work too
[07:48] <G0SUB> jpatrick if you have any packages to maintain, I'd be happy to help
[07:49] <jpatrick> I can't go though the NM process because I hardly the deb devs
[07:49] <G0SUB> jpatrick but you are a Ubuntu member ... you can help me with that at least
[07:50] <jpatrick> I'm MOTU
[07:50] <G0SUB> aah, a MOTU awesome
[07:51] <G0SUB> jpatrick can you tell me how I can help?
[07:52] <jpatrick> right now it's limited to bug fixing
[07:52] <G0SUB> I see, I can do that too
[07:53] <jpatrick> http://launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs
[07:55] <G0SUB> jpatrick how do I submit fixes?
[07:55] <jpatrick> get an MOTU to upload it
[07:55] <G0SUB> ok ...
[07:55] <G0SUB> jpatrick can/will you?
[07:55] <jpatrick> sure
[07:56] <G0SUB> great! :)
[07:57] <G0SUB> jpatrick one query ... if the bug is fixed in sid, will it still be open in malone?
[07:57] <jpatrick> if it hasn't been synced no
[07:57] <G0SUB> hmm
[08:04] <G0SUB> jpatrick can you point me to some easyfix bug?
[08:04] <jpatrick> G0SUB: maybe the motu-reviewers team? https://launchpad.net/people/motureviewers/+assignedbugs
[08:06] <G0SUB> okay, those look easy enough!
[08:07] <G0SUB> btw, do I need to join the team to submit fixes? or do I just prepare the fixed package and ask someone here?
[08:07] <jpatrick> prepare and ask
[08:07] <G0SUB> ok
[08:25] <siretart> lol: Accepted cdebootstrap 0.3.11 (source i386)
[08:25] <siretart>    * "The too late for Dapper, but not for Etch" upload
[08:25] <siretart> err, that was this one: Accepted rsibreak 0.5.0-1 (source i386)
[08:25] <siretart> not cdebootstrap
[08:26] <dolson> when's Etch due for release? March
[08:26] <dolson> March 2009 or so?
[08:26] <G0SUB> haha
[08:27] <siretart> dolson: currently debian targets december 2006 for etch release. currently debian is still on track for that date
[08:27] <dolson> whoa.. why so soon?
[08:27] <siretart> 18 months since sarge was targeted
[08:28] <dolson> that's fast for debian though
[08:28] <dolson> I don't wanna have to reboot my server *again* this Christmas
[08:28] <siretart> dolson: they targeted 18 month for sarge as well, but there were some, uhm, lets say, 'exceptional circumstances'
[08:29] <G0SUB> branden's aim in life is to have faster releases in debian
[08:31] <dolson> I guess I don't have to upgrade my server if I don't want to. ah well, I'm sure there'll be a power outage long enough to trip my UPS shortly after the release
[08:33] <dolson> G0SUB: is Branden going to release 8 versions of Etch? if so, I want to get Etch Ultimate for my system! :)
[08:34] <G0SUB> dolson haha!
[08:41] <G0SUB> jpatrick
[08:41] <G0SUB> I have fixed Malone #6587
[08:41] <Ubugtu> malone bug 6587 in seahorse "[patch]  Seahorse uses wrong category Cryptography in .desktop file" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6587
[08:42] <G0SUB> kindly take a look at http://zope.gnowledge.org:8080/ubuntu/seahorse/
[08:43] <jpatrick> G0SUB: native package
[08:43] <G0SUB> ?
[08:44] <jpatrick> there's no .orig.tar.gz or .diff file
[08:44] <G0SUB> oh, ok ... in a sec
[08:46] <jpatrick> G0SUB: making a .diff for the patch is better than touch the orig src
[08:50] <G0SUB> jpatrick http://zope.gnowledge.org:8080/ubuntu/seahorse/diff.patch
[08:51] <G0SUB> is it ok now?
[08:54] <jpatrick> looks okay
[08:54] <G0SUB> jpatrick :)
[08:55] <G0SUB> when will it be uploaded?
[08:56] <jpatrick> when I've done
[08:56] <G0SUB> okay
[08:56] <G0SUB> jpatrick when are you online usually? I will do more fixes tomorrow ... it's 01:26 here, I will leave now
[08:57] <jpatrick> I'm online most of the time
[08:57] <G0SUB> jpatrick yes, but we are in diff. TZs
[08:57] <G0SUB> I hope you sleep for sometime :)
[08:58] <jpatrick> I'm GMT + 1
[08:59] <G0SUB> okay
[08:59] <G0SUB> I am +05:30
[08:59] <G0SUB> see you tomorrow
[08:59] <G0SUB> good night
[08:59] <jpatrick> night
[09:00] <G0SUB> jpatrick I hope I didn't bug you too much ....
[09:00] <jpatrick> not at all
[09:00] <G0SUB> :)
[09:00] <G0SUB> bye
[09:37] <Tonio_> re
[10:13] <thierry> does the package mathomatic have a gui?
[10:14] <jpatrick> I don't think so
[10:15] <thierry> k
[10:16] <jpatrick> it has libncurses5
[10:16] <thierry> yeah but I mean the package itself is not a gui right?
[10:18] <jpatrick> not gui deps
[10:19] <jpatrick> s/no/not
[11:01] <jroes> hey guys - I'm not sure if I am experienced enough to go about this - but it appears the samba package may depend on mailutils
[11:01] <jroes> its panic script uses the mail binary, which is in mailutils
[11:03] <jroes> I'm still getting acquainted to the whole scene, so I'm not sure my claim is even correct yet
[11:18] <jroes> I put in a bug report, hopefully I don't get flamed :x
[11:18] <jroes> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/32987
[11:18] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32987 in samba "Samba depends on mailutils/mailx" [Normal,Unconfirmed]


[13:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [calamares-settings-ubuntu] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vAOr6
[13:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- calamares-settings-ubuntu/master 187853c Redwolf: Add temporary slides...
 shut up, lugito!
 o__o
 @VikingRedwolf Suggestions: slide 5's subtitle is wrong, and Quassel should show #lubuntu
 @julienlavergne When you get a chance, could you please investigate why Openbox's settings aren't set, and why the SDDM greeter isn't being used by default?
 it's TEMPORARY
 @tsimonq2, Normal for openbox, lxqt used a weird env mechanism to set it
 @tsimonq2, And for sddm, probably because there is no specific conf for Lubuntu
 @julienlavergne, @tsimonq2, I think I need help regarding the Calamres language templates. if you have some information, please, send it to me. I have no idea how to put text over the slides, or translate them, or even how to tesst them via cli.
 THANKS :)
 btw, @julienlavergne, you need an avatar 😐
 @julienlavergne, OK. Would you like to work on this or should I?
 @julienlavergne, Alright. Is it fixable?
 @VikingRedwolf, I'll figure it out
 It's just QML
 It can't be THAT hard
 If anything @VikingRedwolf, pop open Qt Creator and use the designer to make something up to your standards which is the same size as what's given, with the same look, just text within QML instead of on the image itself
 There is no preview needed, you can just use the Qt Designer
 Then once you're done, give me the text and I can format it to go into Calamares
 They have one module to add that just does the slide advancements but that's it, it's pure QML
 (you don't even need to add that module)
 @VikingRedwolf Here's an example of a QML file that does translations: https://github.com/KaOSx/calamares/blob/master/src/branding/kaos_branding/show.qml
 So it has the image and then text on top of that
 Let me look to see how they actually manage the translations aspect of that...
 @tsimonq2, Curious distro....
 @Wolfenprey, Right
 only the last qt, kde...
[17:30] <agaida> but demm know what she is doing and is rich enouh just to do exactly this
 @tsimonq2, thank you, honey
 @agaida, she?
[18:03] <agaida> yes
 who?
[18:04] <agaida> Anke Boersma "demm"
 Dunno who she is
[18:13] <agaida> the main dev of KaOS
 Awesome. It's nice to see a woman leading a foss project.
[18:23] <agaida> and build the whole thing nearly from the scratch - ok, she use pacman as package manager, but that it was
 wow
 I admire her now
 Last time i tested Kaos on my system was like "WOW"
 "plasma is slow" XD
 Ah, sorry, and... "Electron is evil"
 Actually, Lubuntu needs snap support for electron apps like Atom or Springmail
 OMG wxl @VikingRedwolf is SUCH a developer. He's writing QML!
[19:06] <wxl> whoa
 smhmshmmgrunt
 @VikingRedwolf why would you need snap support for electron app?
 or, do you mean, snappy?
 for Atom :)
 it's a must-have now 😐
[22:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [calamares-settings-ubuntu] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vA378
[22:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- calamares-settings-ubuntu/master e4df790 Redwolf: Add small brand bitmaps for slides
 😐
 wxl!!! @tsimonq2 managed to make me install qtcreator!! I want to resign!
 .___.
 omg wxl he's SUCH A DEVELOPER
 He wrote QML!
 .___________.
[22:18] <wxl> we need to get him to write json
[22:18] <wxl> that's valid javascript, you know
 qml? omg
 NEVER!
 @wxl, YES!!!
 @acheronuk, Oh yeah :D
[22:18] <wxl> or if you edit your emacs config, you're basically writing lisp :)
 EMACS!!!
 eeeeeew
[22:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [calamares-settings-ubuntu] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vA35W
[22:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- calamares-settings-ubuntu/master de469f9 Redwolf: Prepare slides background
 shut up, mojito
[22:19] <wxl> emacs is very useful for some things that vi can't hold a candle to. there's also a vi mode to it.
[22:19] <wxl> mojito XD
 XD
[22:20]  * wxl is actually staring at an emacs window right now (see org-mode)
 O_O
[22:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [calamares-settings-ubuntu] tsimonq2 created testing-the-new-slideshow-from-developer-raf (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vA3dF
[22:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- calamares-settings-ubuntu/testing-the-new-slideshow-from-developer-raf b3679d5 Simon Quigley: Initial rewrite of the slideshow in QML.
 .__. stop messing with my code
 XD
 @Jacob Kim, He wrote IN QML
 Not QML itself
 Although he is a DEVELOPER now so I wouldn't be surprised if he did XD
 I actually did edit qml code for the first Lubuntu greeter. And it was awful!
 XD
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3813.mp4
[22:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [calamares-settings-ubuntu] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to testing-the-new-slideshow-from-developer-raf: https://git.io/vA3bJ
[22:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- calamares-settings-ubuntu/testing-the-new-slideshow-from-developer-raf 9ee5542 Simon Quigley: Correct the slide 1 URL in show.qml.
 So @VikingRedwolf this is where I'm at then
 (Photo, 1022x547) https://i.imgur.com/CaCzpTp.jpg
 (Photo, 1024x742) https://i.imgur.com/YJPK0dO.jpg Fullscreen
 @tsimonq2, Can we do linear gradients
 @VikingRedwolf so what are you thinking then?
 @carriewst, That
 grr
 Nice
 That's a question for @VikingRedwolf
 Look
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3818.png
 Actually, give me a min, I can make a few more tweaks @VikingRedwolf
 Linear looks cool right?
 @tsimonq2, Center that (text and icon) in that background
 @VikingRedwolf, ok
 If there's any design/mockup concept work, I'll be happy to help
 (Sticker, 512x128) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3819
 Noted that, @carriewst. They're done though 🙂
 Yeah, but there's always room for improvement right?
 @VikingRedwolf, Yea sure, it's a hassle to rework stuff
 Anyways, I'm very ambient in my designs, so I'll usually go hard on the shadows and grain textures
 @carriewst, Always
 @carriewst, 😀
 Is there any design guidelines y'all are specifically following?
 .__.
 (Photo, 1026x769) https://i.imgur.com/vjP4Eao.jpg @VikingRedwolf
 They change eventually. This release is special, different
 @tsimonq2, O.O!!!!
 @tsimonq2, O.o
 Fwd from VikingRedwolf: Center that (text and icon) in that background
 XD
 •_____•
 Use the coordinates I used in qt-creator
 Wait what
 I placed centered text so you need only to replace it. Don't move the text boxes!
 You guys are program itically doing the hero image?
 wut?
 @carriewst, ..
 Like err
 Manually aligning logo in code?
 Yes
 Wutt
 When you put an image, it's just a widget with properties. Size, x, y, etc.
 Yeah ik
 Wouldn't it better if you just did that in photoshop or smth
 No if you want to keep the text like text. It has to be translatable.
 How bout the logo?
 Text is understandable
 Same. I did it with Inkscape. But it's a widget so you only change the backgrounds, and the logo stays on top.
 Independently.
 Like a layer.
 Ah
 @VikingRedwolf, Don't quite get this tho
 I mean i get its a layer
 Aye
 But like, why not just do it in inkscape? Scale to different resolutions?
 Because QML is much more modular
 That'll result in a flat bitmap, not real text
 Plus we need to be able to translate it
 Yussss ikkk
 Wait here
 Here
 (Photo, 1280x927) https://i.imgur.com/TE7WL6t.jpg
 Was talking about logo
 Yes, I get what you ask.
 BTW Raf, and I didn't initially get this, but https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtquick-text-fonts-fonts-qml.html has details on how we can do the fonts a bit better
 About reason to keep it as a layer is that you can move it to adjust arrive the text of you need to. Otherwise I'll need to create 8 new backgrounds every time
 @tsimonq2, Yes, please, the new design involve the Roboto font together with Ubuntu font.
 @VikingRedwolf, Scaling to different resolutions?
 @VikingRedwolf, Ayyyy lmao
 Or a slim flat font.
 (Photo, 1021x740) https://i.imgur.com/TaL3we5.jpg
 Let me know what you think.
 More to the left
 OK
 The cyan text don't really fit there lol
 Let me see what I can do
 With dat background
 @carriewst, I think it does, what do you think Raf?
 It does.
 It's a complementary colour.
 I designed palette for the banners.
 But it's too thick.
 That's why it looks wrong
 I mean, a designers perspective
 Lemme find
 I made a manual. It'll be public soon. It explains the colours used.
 Ok please release it :3
 Not yet. Can't 😉
 Oki ;_;
 Until Legal dept. authorises it.
 For the gradients, try to make it softer. It looks a little extreme. Refer to color theory when you craft gradients
 Natural always looks goof
 I do. Gradient matches the Lubuntu colours and the forthcoming wallpaper.
 Everything's planned.
 Of course, it must not go against the principle guidelines of your desgin as a whole
 Ok sure
 @VikingRedwolf So what's your opinion on fonts?
 Ubuntu for everything, or where do you want to use Roboto?
 Try with Ubuntu light. Super ultra mega light.
 Stick with one font, roboto is for material
 @VikingRedwolf, Light on both pieces of text? Or just the title?
 Ubuntu would do , just change the thiccness
 Both
 ack
 @carriewst, Yup
 Why is there so much white space over the slide?
 You guys mind if i redesigned a mockup of the installer?
 Like in photoshop
 Go on
 Ok :3
 But you realise we can only recreate psd or images for using it in qml?
 (Photo, 800x447) https://i.imgur.com/IGHjCeC.jpg Better?
 I know
 It's weird
 @tsimonq2, More
 @VikingRedwolf, I mean, its better to manually do it?
 @Jacob Kim, Why
 It looks ok tbh
 Totally centered between the left and the web page
 Wait here
 Or let me do it later with the qml code
 @VikingRedwolf, I can make it work
 Hold on, mate :)
 Better to do this?
 Idk
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://i.imgur.com/hBFBRIi.jpg
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://i.imgur.com/yZQM93u.jpg Flag raising😢
 It has to be placed in the proper place so it fits ALL slides with different sizes images.
[23:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-seeds] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to bionic: https://git.io/vA3pQ
[23:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-seeds/bionic 7e9d36b Simon Quigley: Install pastebinit by default.
 @Jacob Kim, School
 I'll get things finished up for @VikingRedwolf and we can adjust positions later.
 @carriewst Keep it on-topic please.
 @tsimonq2, Yes
 @tsimonq2, Ok sorry
 @Jacob Kim, Me 2
 @Jacob Kim, That's just Calamares, sudo apt install calamares, then in ppa:ubuntu-calamares/testing we have the daily build of the settings package.
 (Sticker, 436x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3832
 @carriewst Please, no unnecessary stickers.
 It uses deb 😁
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
 @Jacob Kim, About how they're built or the user side of things?
[23:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [calamares-settings-ubuntu] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to testing-the-new-slideshow-from-developer-raf: https://git.io/vA3hu
[23:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- calamares-settings-ubuntu/testing-the-new-slideshow-from-developer-raf de7500f Simon Quigley: Adjust the first slide from Raf's IRC feedback.
 @Jacob Kim, To make my life miserable
 You already use a repository: Google Play
 @Jacob Kim, It's a bit complicated, but the tl;dr is that it's an extra mini-archive
 Like Ubuntu's
 @Jacob Kim, Do you use an android phone?
 You have a Google repository then. If you add F-Droid you'll have two. More apps then.
[23:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [calamares-settings-ubuntu] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vAse4
[23:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- calamares-settings-ubuntu/master 17e7bf5 Simon Quigley: Convert the slides to QML instead of using PNGs....
 @VikingRedwolf QML slides should be good now.
 Please, do make modifications to the QML.
 Awright
 If you grab a Lubuntu Next ISO (doesn't work in regular Lubuntu), you can edit the QML, run the slideshow, then don't restart after.
 That's how I did it.
 There's some things that will in fact be off.
 But do let me know if you need any help.
 Also let me know when you're satisfied with it, and I can upload it to the archive.
 Can I simply open your qml with qtcreator?
 No.
 There's a Calamares module that Qt Creator can't handle.
 😢
 I know, it sucks.
 But I'll work with upstream to fix it.


[01:37] <Troy^> Hey anyone here a virtualbox(vboxwebsrv) user? I'm using ubuntu 16.04 and can't seem to get phpvirtualbox to work with vboxwebsrv. configured config.php in /var/www/html/phpvirtualbox as well configured /etc/default/virtualbox. When I navigate to the phpvirtualbox page it loads up with a config.php error. Even tried starting from scratch and still get a php error. It's like it's not talming to
[01:37] <Troy^> vboxwebsrv and it should be
[01:40] <nacc> Troy^: is 'phpvirtualbox' an ubuntu package?
[01:43] <nacc> Troy^: if it is not, does it work with php7?
[01:54] <Troy^> nacc apparently i needed to install php-soap and php-xml it's working now though
[02:18] <nacc> Troy^: if you could let me know if that's a packaging issue,t he latter might be due to php7 pulling php-xml out of hte core, and the former might be a missed dep
[02:18] <nacc> Troy^: *if* it's an ubuntu pacakge :) -- i can fix it
[04:25] <kgirthofer> hey alll - trying to ping my domain, getting a unknown host if I leave off the www
[04:25] <kgirthofer> any ideas?
[04:28] <andol> kgirthofer: Any chance that you don't have any A record for the bare domain? Seem to recall that being ping is looking for.
[04:28] <kgirthofer> yea I got that part - I tried cname too
[04:28] <kgirthofer> used to work
[04:28] <kgirthofer> even if I edit my host file with the ip i'm trying to resolv still no route to host
[04:29] <andol> Might be easier for everyone if you specify the domain in question.
[04:30] <kgirthofer> mydelphic
[04:30] <kgirthofer> .com
[04:31] <kgirthofer> it's just a local
[04:33] <andol> What by you mean by local? It kind of exists in DNS.
[04:36] <andol> Anyway, I do get a DNS response for mydelphic.com, and while that ip (<IP_ADDRESS>) don't appear to respond to ICMP Ping it is responding to http requests.
[04:36] <kgirthofer> yea we have ping off
[04:36] <kgirthofer> nah if I do an ns for that domain i get no route to host
[04:36] <kgirthofer> I should get <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:37] <andol> Why would you expect to get <IP_ADDRESS>? Aside from that being an RFC1918-address, that is not what it says in DNS.
[04:37] <kgirthofer> because that's what my internal dns shows
[04:37] <andol> Also, why do you use the ping too. if you purposely don't expect it to respond to pings? :)
[04:37] <kgirthofer> not from outside
[04:38] <kgirthofer> i'm internal - I can ping what ever I want
[04:38] <kgirthofer> but I'm expecting mydelphic to resolve internally to <IP_ADDRESS> - one of our webservers
[04:38] <andol> Also, strictly speaking ping doesn't do a DNS lookup, it does hostname lookup, where DNS is one source, but not neccesarily the default/primary one.
[04:39] <kgirthofer> ya ping resolves
[04:39] <kgirthofer> so does internet
[04:39] <kgirthofer> they translate to www.
[04:40] <kgirthofer> ugh
[04:40] <kgirthofer> no parent folder
[04:40] <kgirthofer> got it
[04:40] <kgirthofer> fuck i'm exhauted. I'm at 45 hours this week... it's wednesday
[04:41] <andol> Oh, well, sounds like you solved the issue, whatever it was?
[04:41] <kgirthofer> ya
[04:41] <kgirthofer> thanks for your help
[07:08] <Repox> Hi. So, I just pinged a domain name and I got this result "64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>.ip.incapdns.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)" I'm unsure as to what the ip.incapdns.net is (I mean, why do I get that information and what do I call it in this context)?
[07:09] <sarnold> Repox: reverse dns lookup -- it converts IPs back to names
[07:09] <sarnold> Repox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_DNS_lookup
[07:10] <sarnold> Repox: most tools provide an -n option to disable this lookup
[07:10] <Lope> If anyone here is running a 4.4 kernel (type `uname -r` to check, you will be if you use Ubuntu 16.04). So if you have a 4.4 kernel and you're running an NFS server, if you could be so kind as to try mounting one of your NFS shares with NFSv3 (instead of the default NFSv4) I would really appreciate you to provide feedback on my Kernel Bug report. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118881
[07:10] <Repox> sarnold , great, thank you for the info. I'll try and look it up.
[07:10] <Lope> Just test like this: `mount NFSSERVERIP:/nfs/shared/path /tmp/testmount -o ro,vers=3`
[07:14] <sarnold> Lope: this worked without error: sudo mount -tnfs -o ro,nfsvers=3 <IP_ADDRESS>:/srv/mirror/ubuntu /tmp/testmount/
[07:15] <sarnold> Lope: note nfsvers=3 vs vers=3
[07:15] <Lope> sarnold: what's the diff between nfsvers and vers ?
[07:16] <sarnold> Lope: sigh. i typoed "vers3" the first time and didn't notice.
[07:16] <sarnold> Lope: vers=3 also works
[07:16] <Lope> what kernel version is your server?
[07:17] <sarnold> 4.4.0-22-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Thu May 5 16:53:32 UTC 2016
[07:18] <Lope> can you please try in this format? `mount <IP_ADDRESS>:/srv/mirror/ubuntu /tmp/testmount -o ro,vers=3`
[07:19] <sarnold> Lope: worked fine
[07:20] <Lope> what do you get for `cat /proc/filesystems | grep nfs`
[07:20] <sarnold> nfs and nfs4
[07:20] <Lope> ah, same as my ubuntu server. so it's normal not to see nfs3 there.
[07:23] <Lope> what do you get for these? `cat /proc/sys/fs/nfs/nlm_tcpport` `cat /proc/sys/fs/nfs/nlm_udpport`
[07:26] <sarnold> Lope: 0 0
[07:27] <Lope> hmm, i wonder if it's my setup.
[07:27] <Lope> I'm gonna document my settings as well in the bug report.
[07:38] <jatin30> I am trying to set up LAMP in my system. It syas in the instructions "Change the DocumentRoot to point to the new location. For example, /home/user/public_html/" but there is no such directory currently present in the system. what to do?
[07:49] <Lope> sarnold: thanks, I've identified it's my iptables rules somehow blocking NFSv3 but not NFSv4
[07:49] <sarnold> Lope: woot. :) iirc nfs4 moved to fixed ports, nfs3 still had the portmap and ostensibly selected-at-random ports, right?
[07:50] <Lope> Yes!
[07:51] <Lope> exactly, So i scripted and set some options in various config files to try to control those random ports so I could make effective iptables rules.
[07:51] <Lope> But maybe NFSv3 is not obeying those ports anymore?
[07:51] <Lope> I don't know.
[08:11] <Lope> all of the guides I've seen for setting up NFS to work with a firewall say that you must set the various services to use a specific port number. I've been unable to set the port for mountd using the command they recommend: `mountd -p 32767` mountd not found. Yet my nfs server is installed and working, what's going on?
[08:12] <sarnold> are they fro mthe era of user-land nfs server/
[08:13] <Lope> I've got no idea.
[08:13] <Lope> 1. http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s06.html#srv_security_nfsd_mountd
[08:13] <Lope> 2. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/security.html
[08:16] <Lope> oh, i see the command has changed. now it's rpc.mountd
[09:29] <jamespage> coreycb, xenial/ironic builds fixed - for some reason, the schroot's where not getting a /etc/hosts - I added this to the copyfiles for the sbuild profile and we're all good again..
[10:44] <jatin30> can anyone help me with this http://imgur.com/cMB4zM1 ?
[10:47] <hateball> jatin30: < and > are used for redirecting in the shell, use \ to escape
[10:47] <ankitkulkarni> jatin30, can you post the output of pwd
[10:48] <hateball> jatin30: like \<b\>
[10:48] <jatin30> ankitkulkarni: yes just a min
[10:49] <jatin30> ankitkulkarni: here, http://imgur.com/cMB4zM1 and can i please dm you?
[10:50] <ankitkulkarni> yea
[10:56] <shauno> I think you're overthinking it.  you're trying to >/home/user/public_html/index.html instead of /home/jatin...
[10:56] <hateball> I only looked at the syntax error bits, heh
[10:58] <shauno> yeah.  you expect <> to go horribly wrong, and miss that bash is complaining /home/user... doesn't exist
[11:15] <jatin30> Why am I getting http://imgur.com/Fw6kC2R after installing apache 2 properly
[11:16] <shauno> jatin30: see my last couple of lines; where your instructions have /home/user you need to replace that with your actual username
[11:17] <jatin30> yeah I did that
[11:17] <jatin30> I completed all steps properly
[11:17] <jatin30> i followed this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[11:17] <jatin30> everything was fine and it initally detected apache so i did not troubleshoot it
[11:18] <jatin30> and went straight to the virtual hosts and did all what was required , now its not detecting
[11:35] <coreycb> jamespage, interesting on ironic, thanks
[11:40] <jamespage> coreycb, I suspect some cruft due to the long running nature of that installation...
[13:22] <Ergo^> hello, im provisioning 16.04 VM's, they have the "predictable network interface" systemd scheme, now when someone gets an OVA and uses it - the network interface might be completly different however /etc/networking/interfaces has "auto IFACENAME
[13:22] <Ergo^> " hardcoded, how to deal with that
[13:23] <rbasak> Ergo^: if you're preparing an image and it'll only get used with one interface, then perhaps turn off the renaming and rely on it being eth0?
[13:23] <rbasak> I'm not exactly sure how to do that but I believe it's configurable.
[13:24] <Ergo^> yeah, its supposed to take a symlink for udev to disable it, but its not working
[13:27] <rbasak> nacc: if you're about during the next hour, shall we sync?
[13:29] <Odd_Bloke> Ergo^: Ubuntu doesn't ship an /etc/networking/interfaces with hard-coded interface names; how are those getting created?
[13:29] <Ergo^> Odd_Bloke: maybe during install?, i wrote the provisioning scripts so im not doing it
[13:30] <Odd_Bloke> Ergo^: Where is the install happening?
[13:30] <Odd_Bloke> Ergo^: (If you're installing VMs from the ISO, you might want to consider using the cloud images instead :)
[13:30] <Ergo^> hmm, wait, im actually using a seed file
[13:30] <Ergo^> let me consult that
[13:31] <Ergo^> maybe there is something there
[13:31] <Ergo^> im provisioning with packer
[13:31] <rbasak> That uses the installer I believe.
[13:31] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, OK, that makes sense; packer doesn't support the cloud images AFAIK.
[13:31] <rbasak> File a bug with packer.
[13:32] <Ergo^> and https://friendpaste.com/O1nBAQvyRzvxprmecZjpT i end up with that
[13:32] <rbasak> Ubuntu's answer to the general problem is cloud images that use cloud-init.
[13:32] <Odd_Bloke> Ergo^: But, yeah, if you're doing VMs you'll want to ensure that (a) /etc/network/interfaces isn't being overwritten, and (b) cloud-init runs on boot so it can handle changing interface names for you. :)
[13:32] <rbasak> cloud-init handles the fact that an image can end up running in a different environment.
[13:33] <rbasak> Running the installer to set up a VM image that will then run in a different environment is a hack. We'll consider fixes for issues, but we don't think it's the right path forward. Cloud images work far better for this use case.
[13:34] <Ergo^> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ - i wanted to use the solution from here
[13:34] <Ergo^> ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-setup-link.rules
[13:34] <Ergo^> but its not working
[13:35] <rbasak> I don't know if that exact method applies to Ubuntu, but the general idea should work. If it doesn't, it's either a bug or different instructions need to be followed.
[13:37] <Ergo^> https://friendpaste.com/2BFcFawTd8D5opSHqClAue - this is my preseed file
[13:39] <Ergo^> no other places where it can be rewritten
[13:40] <Ergo^> but I can overwrite it on my own at the end of provisioning... what the /etc/network/interfaces should look like on a cloud image?
[13:40] <rbasak> http://askubuntu.com/questions/689070/network-interface-name-changes-after-update-to-15-10-udev-changes says to pass net.ifnames=0 on the kernel command line.
[13:40] <rbasak> Have you tried that?
[13:41] <Ergo^> that works, i wanted to avoid this solution though :-)
[13:41] <Ergo^> I guess i can work with that if no other options are available
[13:41] <rbasak> That seems to be the formal interface in Ubuntu to disable this.
[13:41] <rbasak> I'm sure you can do it in userspace afterwards, but you'll need to figure out how by following the implementation.
[13:42] <Ergo^> ok, thx
[14:18] <tanja84> I would like to know if there could be some problems upgrading a "old" 14.10 server ( with zfs support installed ) to a 16.04 LTS. The reason is that I would be sad if my zfs went down just because of the dist upgrade ( I have a backup but its in the cloud )
[14:20] <compdoc> I upgraded from 14.04 that used ZOL, to 16.04 without ZOL. works great
[14:21] <compdoc> I installed 16.04 from scratch, tho
[14:22] <patdk-wk> why would it go down?
[14:22] <patdk-wk> if you have dkms installed, the zfs dkms module will override the other module
[14:23] <tanja84> patdk-wk: well its the zfs kernel module I'm worried for, because I have never tried to dist-upgrade from a non lts to a lts before
[14:23] <patdk-wk> well, you cannot upgrade from 14.10 to 16.04
[14:24] <Pici> welll, you can attempt it, but it definitely isn't a supported path
[14:24] <tanja84> so its a reformat then. Thanks for the answer, I guess it has to run 6 month still
[14:25] <tanja84> reformat = reinstall
[14:26] <tanja84> and yes I do know that 14.10 almost have been EOL for a year
[14:28] <tanja84> I guess it wont be ubuntu next time because if the hazzle to upgrade
[14:38] <Odd_Bloke> tanja84: There is an upgrade path; you upgrade to vivid, then to wily, then to xenial. :)
[14:38] <patdk-wk> after you adjust your stuff to use the archive/old-releases servers
[14:46] <tanja84> Odd_Bloke: well and how much will breake then
[14:46] <tanja84> after all those steps
[14:47] <Odd_Bloke> tanja84: They're the same steps that everyone who upgraded from utopic through to xenial will have taken, so they should be pretty well tested.
[14:47] <tanja84> I guess I just have to change distro when I get some new drive's home to get the local backup but that is still first in 5 - 6 month
[14:48] <tanja84> Odd_Bloke: well you mean tested as in ubuntu fails
[14:48] <Odd_Bloke> tanja84: If you aren't interested in a constructive discussion, I can't help you. :)
[14:48] <tanja84> I du remember kernels from ubuntu failing to boot after upgrades
[14:49] <tanja84> Odd_Bloke: and do you recover my zfs raid then if it cant find it after the first upgrade
[14:50] <nacc> rbasak: i'm here now
[14:50]  * patdk-wk doesn't remember this
[14:51] <patdk-wk> tanja84, you are also not using lts, so your not exactly using the most stable, and well tested version
[14:51] <patdk-wk> so having problems, sounds like something you opted for when you started
[14:51] <tanja84> patdk-wk: that was only because I was miss informed when the server was installed
[14:51] <patdk-wk> misinformed?
[14:51] <patdk-wk> the documentation is everywhere
[14:52] <tanja84> I got the disk from one because I didnt had internet where the pc were
[14:52] <patdk-wk> installing zfs also, on that ubuntu version is not *supported*
[14:52] <tanja84> it was in here I was recommended that
[14:53] <patdk-wk> if the goal was to run zfs, yes, good recommendation
[14:53] <patdk-wk> if the goal is to have a stable system, without issues, without constant upgrades, no, zfs or that version where not the answer
[14:54] <patdk-wk> but yes, it does sound like your goal and priorities have changed
[14:54] <tanja84> well the goal was to secure the data for corruptions wich ext cant
[14:55] <patdk-wk> yes, good solution
[14:55] <tanja84> wich the reason there were created a zfs mirror of 3 disks
[14:55] <patdk-wk> but the side effects of that is, maintaince, and upgrades, and sometimes things breaking
[14:55] <patdk-wk> cause the solution isn't supported by ubuntu, atleast wasn't till 16.04
[14:56] <patdk-wk> the solution is not supported at all by anyone else yet
[14:56] <patdk-wk> except I think debian is starting to
[14:56] <tanja84> I guess then its complete bye bye linux for recommending things there arent supported
[14:57] <tanja84> specially in the official channels
[14:57] <patdk-wk> heh?
[14:57] <nacc> tanja84: you would have been quite clearly indicated something wasn't supported by adding PPAs, or building from source, or whatever
[14:58] <nacc> tanja84: and this is all volunteer response in here, anyways
[14:58] <nacc> tanja84: *technically*, anyone can say anything they want in response to your query
[14:58] <nacc> IMO, as a system installer, it is on you to make technical decisions about how to install
[14:59] <nacc> finally, ubuntu != linux
[15:03] <nacc> tanja84: i'm not trying to be rude, to be clear -- but your responses seem like an overreaction/misunderstanding
[15:03] <nacc> rbasak: i'll be free to chat after the meeting too
[15:04] <tanja84> nacc: well since canonical bought ubuntu back in the days then it always sounds like ubuntu is the only linux now a days
[15:04] <nacc> tanja84: uhhhh
[15:05] <nacc> tanja84: ok, that's further misunderstanding, let's be clear
[15:07] <patdk-wk> bought?
[15:07] <patdk-wk> strange world you live in
[15:08] <patdk-wk> there are so many, and even more versions of linux os's today, than there where 10years ago
[16:10] <nacc> rbasak: so we assumed security and updates were in lockstep; perhaps that wasn't always the case. clamav 0.92~dfsg-2~dapper1ubuntu0.2 (security) followed 0.92.1~dfsg2-1.1~dapper1 (updates).
[16:30] <nacc> rbasak: let me konw if you want to do a hangout today, i know it's getting (is) late your time
[16:35] <notthistime> can anyone help me port forward. i have port 80 forwarded on a PK5000 but the online port checker says it port 80 ist still closed
[16:43] <coreycb> jamespage, qemu - 1:2.2+dfsg-5expubuntu9.7~cloud4 is ready to promote to kilo-proposed
[16:43] <jamespage> coreycb, \o/ - I'll do that now
[16:44] <jamespage> coreycb, done
[16:44] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks!
[16:44] <jamespage> you'll need to manually handle in the bug unless you added it to the changelog
[16:45] <rbasak> nacc: is now OK?
[16:45] <nacc> rbasak: sure
[16:52] <nacc> rbasak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clamav/+publishinghistory?batch=75&direction=backwards&memo=525&start=450
[16:56] <synchronet> bugs are built in I reckon
[16:57] <synchronet> bit like the law legal system and solicitors and future work
[16:58] <nacc> rbasak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clamav/0.92.1~dfsg2-1.1~dapper1
[16:58] <nacc> rbasak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clamav/0.92~dfsg-2~dapper1ubuntu0.2
[17:06] <rbasak> http://pad.ubuntu.com/clamav-dapper
[17:18] <genii> dapper?
[17:24] <rbasak> Dapper.
[17:24] <nacc> genii: crazy publishing history :)
[17:54] <synchronet> Ubuntu can you stop the updates by hiring decent developers
[17:54] <synchronet> especially server reboot needed ones
[17:55] <Pici> I don't even know how to respond to that.
[17:56] <jrwren> synchronet: please remember: http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
[17:58] <patdk-wk> synchronet, why are you compaining about updates?
[17:59] <patdk-wk> updates coming out often is a good thing
[17:59] <patdk-wk> but maybe you mean security patches
[18:00] <patdk-wk> though, dunno what ubuntu developers have to do with any of the above
[18:05] <synchronet> patdk-wk:  just tired I suppose
[18:07] <dasjoe> I'm not sure I follow
[18:08] <synchronet> narrow mindedness is no excuse
[18:59] <Lope> how can I disable the fancy boot screen in ubuntu-server? I want to see the log
[18:59] <b4r> funny I was wondering about acquiring a fancy boot screen so as to *not* see the log
[19:00] <\9> I was wondering today about having a fancy boot screen *with* the log
[19:00] <sarnold> probably 'plymouth' is the answer to both questions :)
[19:00] <Sling> Lope: see /etc/default/grub and remove the 'splash quiet'
[19:00] <teward> sarnold: ohai!
[19:00] <Sling> (or wherever thats at now)
[19:00] <sarnold> morning teward :)
[19:00] <Lope> sling: thanks!
[19:13] <coreycb> jamespage, neutron 2:8.1.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~cloud0 is ready to promote to mitaka-proposed
[19:15] <b4r> anyone in particular working on php7.0 package and updating to 7.0.7 from currently 7.0.4?
[19:33] <nacc> b4r: in which release?
[19:33] <b4r> uh
[19:33] <b4r> 16.04
[19:34] <nacc> b4r: well, a SRU microrelease exception has been filed: LP: #1569609
[19:34] <b4r> nacc: oh nice, are they filed usuallly on launchpad? I wouldn't mind attempting to keep up with this
[19:34] <nacc> if that were to be granted, we'd be able to update to 7.0.x
[19:34] <b4r> tbh it was more of a "woah they updated today and it's not in the repos"
[19:34] <nacc> b4r: until that happens though, we have to selectively backport
[19:35] <b4r> understood
[19:35] <nacc> b4r: well, no package gets updated just becuase upstream does, at least not automatically, in a released version
[19:40] <sarnold> ... in fact it's fairly rare. firefox, chrome-browser, mysql / mariadb are the most common ones.. there's a few others that get it periodically but it's rare
[19:40] <nacc> sarnold: good point!
[19:40] <nacc> b4r: hence the explicit bug requesting it for php7.0
[21:17] <emdub> hmm, what's the deal with mysql-server on xenial?  dpkg-reconfigure used to prompt for setting the root password, but it doesn't do that in xenial anymore so my database has some root password that i didn't enter
[21:17] <emdub> (asked in #ubuntu, but this is a -server install so figured i would try here too)
[21:18] <emdub> i can obviously make it bypass the grant table and fix it, but i feel like i'm missing something or there is a bug here with the package
[21:25] <emdub> aha, this is a xenial change: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-mysql/mysql-5.7.git/tree/debian/NEWS?id=1025a9fa9c6c112913c59138db49dbc94891d20f
[21:40] <dasjoe> madwizard: did you see https://github.com/b333z/beadm?
[22:01] <jjohnston> hello I have a question about booting new nodes in MaaS 1.9
[22:02] <jjohnston> on new nodes (non-ready) is there a way to force maas to repartition the disks?
[22:03] <jjohnston> that doesn't include me deleting/recreating the arrays on my storage controller?
[22:52] <notthistime> i have port 8080 open in router but cannot connect to server. any ideas?
[22:53] <notthistime>  i can get the server by going localhost:8080
[22:53] <sarnold> notthistime: check netstat -lnp output, see what address the process it bound to
[22:56] <notthistime> did netstat not sure what im looking for
[22:57] <sarnold> if the local address looks like this: <IP_ADDRESS>:2628  then it's not listening externally
[22:57] <notthistime> <IP_ADDRESS>:53
[22:57] <sarnold> if it looks like <IP_ADDRESS>:22 or <IP_ADDRESS>:53 then it is listening externally -- the first case, all interfaceds, the second case only that specific IP address
[22:58] <sarnold> that's probably just a dns server :) look for :8000
[22:58] <notthistime> no 8000
[22:59] <notthistime> 8080
[22:59] <notthistime> listening on 8080
[22:59] <nacc> notthistime: ok, look for 8080 :)
[22:59] <sarnold> ah. apparently I'm getting old.
[23:00] <notthistime> tcp6       0      0 :::8080                 :::*                    LISTEN
[23:00] <notthistime> im not sure what im looking for
[23:01] <sarnold> that's an ipv6 address; did you let tcp6 port 8080 through as well? do you have an ipv6 address? should you configure your application to also listen on <IP_ADDRESS>:8080 so it works on ipv4?
[23:03] <notthistime> ipv6 was set to ignore. changed to DHCP
[23:04] <notthistime> it works on <IP_ADDRESS>:8080


[19:48] <supergonkas> Hey is there any opition to change like the working dir?
[19:48] <supergonkas> like when executing a script set the place where is beeing executed