[00:00] <tgm4883> pjs: IDK
[00:00] <pjs> tgm4883: ok cool, thx
[00:01] <Bashing-om> pjs: Not done it - can not vouch - https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2328152 to completely remove snap .
[00:02] <pjs> Bashing-om: oh great, I'll read it . Thanks@
[00:02] <pjs> !*
[00:05] <pjs> Bashing-om: hah, maybe I'll wait and see if someone can confirm this works on 18.04
[00:05] <Bashing-om> pjs: :) .. Let us know what goes .. for the IRC data base of knowledge :P
[00:08] <pjs> Bashing-om: will do :)
[00:12] <pjs> Bashing-om: welp, things seem fine. but I followed a diff process
[00:12] <pjs> Bashing-om: https://askubuntu.com/a/1039434 did the trick
[00:18] <Bashing-om> pjs: :) thanks looking .
[00:20] <pjs> Bashing-om: np
[00:21] <kinghat> anyone have a color laser printer? thinking about getting one
[00:21] <kinghat> brother specifically
[00:21] <pjs> kinghat: I have a brother mfc-j460dw and works fine with cups
[00:21] <kinghat> cups?
[00:22] <pjs> cupsd
[00:22] <kinghat> ah. inkjet
[00:22]  * pjs nods
[00:22] <pjs> I never remember.. I don't need anything fancy. I print maybe 3x a month
[00:22] <kinghat> looking into laser
[00:22] <pjs> Cool
[00:48] <eia1x> Hi, does anyone knows how to fix the missing packages in dpkg? I'm receving many warning messages like: 'files list file for package X missing; assuming package has no files currently installed'
[00:48] <eia1x> I found something like this: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/7E4d6TPg9gKS7ortwKlA/ to reinstall each package, but doesnt works :/
[00:50] <OerHeks> eia1x, depends what you are installing ?
[00:51] <Bashing-om> eia1x: Show in a pastebin the command and that output .
[00:51] <OerHeks> normally one uses apt install -f
[00:53] <eia1x> It happens with anything I try to install
[00:54] <eia1x> Although it seems harmless (only a warning message)
[00:54] <OerHeks> did you run updates first?
[00:55] <eia1x> Yep, I run a lot of first-aid: update, clean, autoremove, dpkg --configure -a,...
[00:57] <eia1x> the command 'sudo apt-get --reinstall -dy install $(dpkg --get-selections | grep '[[:space:]]install' | cut -f1)' seems to almost fix, but returns 'Reinstallation of libmonosgen-2.0-dev (..packageX)  is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.'
[00:59] <TJ-> eia1x: the error means the /var/lib/dpkg/info/ is missing the <package>.list file(s)
[00:59] <eia1x> example: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z5vQJzZS32/
[00:59] <eia1x> but it seems a lot of files, maybe I can update it...
[01:00] <TJ-> eia1x: looks like you broke the system somehow
[01:00] <TJ-> eia1x: is there anything in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
[01:01] <eia1x> TJ: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info | wc -l <-- 16502
[01:02] <eia1x> but only 3521 .list
[01:04] <eia1x> I tried to reinstall each package like this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42731637/dpkg-warning-files-list-file-for-package-xmissing-assuming-package-has-no-f but it doesnt works
[01:06] <OerHeks> eia1x, is this bare install or WSL ?
[01:09] <eia1x> OerHeks: Well, is by side in dualboot (so I think is bare install)
[01:09] <black_13> what does nm show lots of exports that i am not particularly interested
[01:09] <moredrowsy> hi, i have a question. I'm trying to get to the grub loader. Whenever I start from uefi boot, i press the escape. However, I'm taken to the grub command line. how do i go back to the grub menu?
[01:09] <OerHeks> yes oke
[01:12] <OerHeks> moredrowsy, press esc again?
[01:12] <moredrowsy> escape just give me a new command line
[01:12] <moredrowsy> oh nvm, i found out, just type normal
[01:12] <moredrowsy> -_-
[01:13] <Bashing-om> moredrowsy: Try spamming the escape key . in EFI there is only a 3 second window of opportunity for grub to see it .
[01:13] <QR> which version of Ubuntu do you advice for running web server and mail server ? i've kvm nvme ssd.
[01:14] <moredrowsy> ok, i'm at the menu, when i press e on "Try ubuntu", it actually loads into ubuntu. it doesn't give me the option to add kerna modes
[01:14] <moredrowsy> why is that?
[01:14] <moredrowsy> nvm
[01:41] <quarters> hello. can someone recommend a cli that will allow me to undelete some plaintext files that won't involve me making an image of the volume(like testdisk and photorec). I don't mind a bit of corruption
[01:42] <moredrowsy> got a question guys, so i'm installing ubuntu with uefi and one of the steps after installation during MOK management is to disable secure boot. why is this necessary or what's wrong with secure boot?
[01:45] <Bashing-om> !info extundelete | quarters
[01:52] <gambl0re> whats the best way to upgrade my kernel?
[01:54] <quarters> Bashing-om: I tried that but I get a segmentation-fault
[01:55] <quarters> I should have mentioned that
[01:57] <Bashing-om> quarters: Well, as you are not going to image the disk and work from the copy .. try and see what fsck can do for the file system .
[02:07] <quarters> Bashing-om: fsck -v /dev/mapper/MyVol returned clean. Is there another flag that I should use for my particular case
[02:08] <quarters> I'm so confused because the last thing I remember doing that might be related was: find . -name "node_modules" -exec rm -rf '{}' + so I might have deleted files that way?
[02:08] <quarters> due to a slip of a keystroke or something
[02:14] <Bashing-om> quarters: Sorry, " /dev/mapper/MyVol" leave me behind as I have no experience with such . "rm -rf
[02:14] <Bashing-om> "is always dangerous !
[02:18] <quarters> Bashing-om: thanks
[02:19] <TJ-> quarters: check the shell history for the exact command issued ("history"), maybe ?
[02:20] <quarters> TJ-: oh, awesome!
[02:20] <Bashing-om> quarters: Not helped .. shoulder to cry on . But do not loose hope .. others here can advise better .
[02:21] <TJ-> quarters: you know 'find' has a "-delete" operator, so you do not need to call "rm" ?
[02:21] <quarters> TJ-: I just took it from https://coderwall.com/p/guqrca/remove-all-node_module-folders-recursively and it's served me well before but just not this time, perhaps?
[02:22] <quarters> I have several terminals open usually
[02:22] <quarters> using terminator
[02:23] <TJ-> quarters: so you've lost files? did you not realise immediately?
[02:24] <quarters> TJ-, yes, I lost them. and no, I did not realize until I just booted and tried to access the files and found two directories in there whereas before there were well over 50
[02:25] <quarters> is history stored in the user home?
[02:27] <TJ-> quarters: depends on the shell. For bash, it's .bash_history, which is what "history" shows
[02:27] <quarters> yeah. I'm not seeing anything in the .bash_history file indicating removal although I'm pretty sure I ran that
[03:02] <gijoe3k> Hello all! Question for you all. I'm running Ubuntu 18.10. Besides some weird bugs, im really enjoying. I was wondering though. As much as I loath Window$, I really enjoyed and found useful the whole dynamic menu options on the icons on the taskbar.
[03:04] <gijoe3k> You know when you right click the icon of a launch button or running program on the task bar and gives you a varied sort of options. I realize that Gnome 3 has this but it seems really limited and sad compared to WIn7 through WIn10
[03:04] <gijoe3k> Is there an Gnome Shell extension or gconf/gnome tweak option that would expand on these options?
[03:18] <fengshaun> how do I troubleshoot a touchpad not working? My laptop suddenly froze, I tried to force shutdown, then rebooted and touchpad does not work at all
[03:18] <fengshaun> no buttons no movement
[03:18] <fengshaun> keyboard works fine
[03:20] <fengshaun> not sure what happened that it froze
[03:20] <fengshaun> I was just browsing
[03:47] <DarwinElf> how to start second X session on other tty?
[03:48] <DarwinElf> don't say it's impossible, because that is not Unix-like.  It would be a tragedy if Ubuntu couldn't so was deviant
[03:49] <Joah> hey guys, i updated ubuntu mate and that brought me to mate 1.20.1. i'm having an issue now where things aren't showing up in the system tray/notification area. f.lux and networking/wifi aren't showing whereas they always showed up before i updated. any ideas?
[04:02] <Joah> never mind, i think i figured it out
[04:05] <Bashing-om> DarwinElf: One can do that in xfce: ' ctl+alt+f2 ; startx -- :1 ; ctl+alt+f8 ' .
[04:22] <DarwinElf> Bashing-om, well I want it to be a different window manager/desktop environment... Enlightenment one
[04:23] <DarwinElf> I tried a similar command to what you said, that works on other distributions, but Kubuntu said something like illegal to get/control that tty
[04:25] <DarwinElf> oh, I see, the Enlightenment PPA excludes xinitrc.enlightenment.  Come on now, that's bad design
[04:31] <DarwinElf> the command you gave also doesn't start X but immediately shuts down
[04:31] <DarwinElf> i saw some forum posts that you no longer can create a second X session since Ubuntu 16.04
[04:32] <DarwinElf> this is a grave bug
[04:32] <DarwinElf> it's when I really wonder about the people who say this is replicating Windows
[04:34] <Bashing-om> DarwinElf: That suggest to see if the command ' startx ' exist .. and if so .. read what it does in your environment . For me - startx is located /usr/bin/startx . /usr/bin/startx: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable .
[04:37] <DarwinElf> yes, of course it exists
[04:37] <DarwinElf> it runs and shuts down without starting X
[04:38] <DarwinElf> i didn't say it was command not found... that is 100% clearly a different error
[04:38] <DarwinElf> shut down means the command already started
[04:40] <Bashing-om> DarwinElf: And confirned that startx -- :1 no longer works :( - 18.04 .
[04:41] <DarwinElf> Microsoft Wubuntu
[04:41] <DarwinElf> one GUI only.  Wubuntu
[04:41] <DarwinElf> so this is the level the developers stoop to
[05:39] <pabed___> Hi guys , when my ubuntu 18.04 wanted to start it remains in this page
[05:39] <pabed___> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nZ80NpVv/20181127_090432.jpg
[05:51] <pragomer> how can I set strg+alt to act like AltGr (for doing { and }  )
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: try this from tty: sudo apt purge gdm gdm3
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: then sudo apt install gdm3 ubuntu-desktop
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: and as last systemctl restart gdm
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: a question more for ##linux perhaps?
[05:54] <pragomer> thought that is perhaps distro-specific?
[05:54] <pabed___> lotuspsychje: how should I type command here it doesn't give me shell yet
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: ctrl alt F1 to get in tty
[05:55] <pabed___> I tried but didn't give me shell
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: at your boot process, you press f1 for textboot right?
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: or do you have quiet splash off?
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> pragomer: whats your end goal?
[05:58] <pabed___> I put f1, but it came to that page that I sent in picture
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: so in early stage of booting, try to enter tty
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> it should work
[05:59] <pragomer> i have no altgr key and want to type { and }
[06:01] <pabed___> lotuspsychje: I tried, I put ctrl+alt+f1 as soon as it want to boot but it doesn't enter to tty
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: try the next combos too, F2 F3 etc
[06:04] <pabed___> I have tried too
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: normally you always should be able to enter tty
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: try different hits on ctrl alt F3 perhaps
[06:08] <squidthesid> Hey guys, just installed ubuntu budgie. What are your favorite themes?
[06:09] <pabed___> lotuspsychje:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2obxO0nL/20181127_093842.jpg
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> squidthesid: we try not to take polls in the support channel, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-discuss
[06:09] <squidthesid> oh, okay
[06:09] <pabed___> lotuspsychje:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NxFtBpwP/20181127_093806.jpg
[06:09] <squidthesid> I'll go there
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: yeah, i believe you mate..but still it should work at one point
[06:11] <pabed___> lotuspsychje:could i do  with live cd ?
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: whats your graphics card please?
[06:16] <pabed___> Intel
[06:16] <pabed___> Onboard graphic
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: so you installed ubuntu 18.04 and after install you got stuck at gmd right?
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> gdm
[06:17] <pabed___> lotuspsychje: my mainboard is ASUS z170-a
[06:18] <moredrowsy> hi, can someone tell me how to show internal partitions on the folders menu? for some reason, they arent on the files icon but can be accessed through the "Other"
[06:19] <pabed___> lotuspsychje: no I had 16.04 and last week I upgraded it to 18.04 and it worked until yesterday today when I was working with my ubuntu suddenly it restarted and it remained in the page that I sent its picture
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: can you still enter a recoverymode?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: if you can, you could try enter a root shell
[06:22] <pabed___> No
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: well, if you really sure you cant enter tty, perhaps consider backing up your files with a liveusb, then reinstall 18.04 and try to save your /home or fresh install
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: i think upgrade might have scrambled lightdm vs gdm3 somehow
[06:24] <pabed___> lotuspsychje: I don't know why my keyboard led turn off after ubuntu states to boot
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: be back later mate, check here for the commands if you get in: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1780986
[07:01] <badboyjer> sup
[07:18] <uzee> Hi, kickstart issue, even though the ks parameter is passed via F6, it still loads the language selection screen to select the language and other things manually, I'm using the ubuntu 16 server image mounted on the virtual cdrom to use only to pass the ks parameter
[07:18] <uzee> Boot Options: file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu-server.seed vga=788 /install/initrd.gz --ks=http://myserver.mydomain/kickstart/path quiet ---
[07:20] <uzee> yesterday there was a network issue on my side and I thought thats whats causing issues, but not the case. It looks like I have to manually select a n umber of things
[07:26] <uzee> TJ mentioned yesterday that other people have also been having problems with kickstart recently, thats why I tried ubuntu 16 and not 18, hoping to avoid this... :(
[07:37] <pragomer> got it solved via "autokey-gtk"
[07:48] <ZaZaQR> hello
[07:55] <klu3> im trying to clone 1tb HDD to 1tb SSD, the hdd have 2 partitions, will the partitions get copied/cloned to ssd when i use the linux dd clone command?
[07:56] <hateball> klu3: if you dd device to device, yes
[07:56] <klu3> ty
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> uzee: if you find a !bug in ubuntu, please report it
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> pabed___: did you get in yet?
[08:41] <kakoonia> can i use dropbox to drop a linux system?
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> kakoonia: this is ubuntu support, what do you want to drop where and how?
[08:41] <kakoonia> jkjk
[08:43] <kakoonia> what is the ubuntu latest desktop edition?
[08:43] <kakoonia> why should i donate?
[08:43] <surrounder> kakoonia: 18.10 - see topic
[08:43] <kakoonia> donationis not applicable
[08:46] <kakoonia> what is kubernetes? wierd
[08:47] <nictki> kakoonia: container for automating deployment
[08:49] <kakoonia> wow sounds like what im looking for
[09:31] <conall> Hi, I am looking for a ubuntu cli for xml 1.1 schema validation. As far as I am aware, xmllint only supports 1.0
[09:36] <ThJ> how do you change/disable keyboard shortcuts such as Super+1, 2, 3... in Ubuntu 18.04?
[09:37] <ThJ> They're not in the usual keyboard shortcut GUI and I want to use the Super+[number] keys for something else.
[09:39] <JimBuntu> kakoonia, https://www.saxonica.com/html/documentation/schema-processing/schema11/ and possibly https://github.com/NCAR/crux
[09:45] <pabed___> lotuspsychje: I spent a big time for figure it out but I cannot and I am reinstall a new ubuntu, unfortunately I didn't config my home in separated partition and I can use existing home(old home) in new one
[09:45] <ThJ> hmm, nothing in gnome-weaks and gconf-editor is deprecated in gnome 3.
[09:46] <ThJ> there must be somewhere to change this. i want to use super+1,2,3,... for tab switching in my apps. (don't wanna use ctrl or alt, because those are already used in various ncurses programs for *their* tab switching)
[09:49] <silhouette> ThJ: try dconf-editor?
[09:50] <ThJ> silhouette: nope, i'll try that
[09:54] <ThJ> hmmm...
[09:54] <ThJ> found the launcher shortcuts, but it looks like ubuntu isn't using the values set there.
[09:55] <ThJ> ctrl-super-1 is mapped to launcher icon 1, etc.
[09:55] <ThJ> but in reality, super-1 without the ctrl does it.
[09:55] <ThJ> and changing it doesn't have an effect
[09:55] <ThJ> saw a question on stackoverflow where somebody customised a theme in order to get the keys right. not sure if that's the way t ogo
[09:56] <ThJ> *to go
[09:56] <ThJ> wait, never mind, there's two sets of launcher shortcuts.
[09:59] <swengin> Hi I'm trying to install kubernetes on ubuntu guest but vmx is not enabled since it's a vm but vmx is enabled on host any idea
[10:15] <frojnd> Hi there.
[10:15] <EriC^^> hi
[10:15] <frojnd> Where do I put - in which file to persist routing rulte (sudo ip r a IP via <IP_ADDRESS>) I just added?
[10:15] <frojnd> routing rule*
[10:17] <frojnd> Any ideas?
[10:20] <EriC^^> frojnd: maybe try in ##Linux or #networking if nobody here answers
[10:21] <frojnd> But this is distro specific?
[10:22] <EriC^^> they'll probably know
[10:47] <sruli> I installed pdfmod yesterday and i guess as part of the process it updated some other packages, i saw in the output that it added (or replaced) 133 certificates CA's is this normal or is something wrong?
[11:50] <SimonKALI> how to connect iphone with ubuntu using usb?
[11:50] <sud0x3> The screenshots inside the 18.10 installer have incorrect infor,ation about the kts release length, not really an issue just a heads up :)
[11:56] <FurretUber> Hi, I'm on Bionic using the linux-lowlatency-hwe-18.04-edge kernel, from proposed. I reported two bugs against it but each one went to a different source package
[11:56] <FurretUber> One is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe-edge/+bug/1805150
[11:57] <FurretUber> The other bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-hwe-edge/+bug/1804898
[11:58] <FurretUber> The NULL pointer bug was reported against linux-signed-hwe-edge and the crash after hang was against linux-meta-hwe-edge. I think this happened because there was an update yesterday that changed the package names
[11:59] <ThJ> i'd like to remap ctrl+c/v/x to super+c/v/x in ubuntu 18.04. i don't want the super key mapped to ctrl, though, because i want to keep the distinction. i have changed every setting in the Keyboard panel, and everything i can find in dconf-editor, but those keys aren't there. what do i need to hack to specifically tell gnome/gtk/qt to use these key combinations?
[12:00] <ThJ> i have also changed what i need in Terminal preferences, but i also want this to work in miscellaneous apps.
[12:21] <coconut> SimonKALI: i don't think there is anything available at the moment for iphone Simon.
[12:22] <coconut> There is GSConnect for android though.
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:24] <uzee> I tried a kickstart install using an ubuntu 16.04.1 disk for booting only and then supplied a ks file over http to install 16.04.5 image but when it finished it had installed 16.04.1 from the cdrom, although it looks like 'some' kickstart config was used as the root passwd i had in the kickstart file works, any ideas ?
[12:39] <TJ-> uzee: I'm not sure the scenario you describe is possible
[12:45] <uzee> TJ: pardon my lack of experience in ubuntu, I'm basically trying to create something that works successfully for centos/rhel
[12:46] <uzee> So for centos, i can attach a centos or rhel boot disk, say rhel 6 and the kickstart then takes over and whatever url is mentioned in the kickstart file, is what gets installed, the attached cdrom is 'only' used for booting and passing the ks parameter, is that an incorrect approach for ubuntu??
[12:49] <TJ-> uzee: I'm not entirely sure since kickstart is an RH tool and I'm not sure it was ever a 1st class tool for Debian or Ubuntu.
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> !iphone | SimonKALI
[12:51] <uzee> aah... :( I did fear that, but all the official docs at least claim that it works, they only mention a number of adv ks parameters are not supprted but never say that its not a supported mechanism :(
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> uzee: can this help? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstartCompatibility
[12:53] <uzee> :0 I was just about to type that same url :)
[12:53] <uzee> :)
[12:53] <uzee> I've gone through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstartCompatibility and https://help.ubuntu.com/16.04/installation-guide/i386/ch04s06.html
[12:55] <uzee> One thing that I did figure out today was the syntax mentioned in the first article at help.ubuntu is slightly wrong, the ks parameter does not work with 2 leading hyphens, as mentioned there: linux initrd=initrd.gz -- ks=http://path/to/ks.cfg
[12:56] <uzee> But other than that, I've not been able to figure out why it takes the install files/packages from the cdrom, and then takes the root passwd from the ks file..??
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> uzee: you encounter errors we can search on?
[13:01] <solsTiCe> hi. I just installed kodi for a quick test. And kodi sports an ugly logo 'KODI from debian'. wtf!
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: how did you install kodi?
[13:06] <solsTiCe> pacman -Syu kodi-rbp
[13:07] <solsTiCe> oops pacman -S
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> pacman?
[13:08] <fantyzz> I believe I'm stuck with the same issue as mentioned here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1798171/comments/25
[13:08] <fantyzz> Does anyone know how I can go about fixing this?
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: one for you ^
[13:08] <fantyzz> I'm currently not able to boot the Ubuntu Live USB
[13:09] <TJ-> uzee: what is the command in your kickstart file that is supposed to trigger install from the network image?
[13:10] <TJ-> fantyzz: I think I made that comment after helping you last time, is that correct?
[13:10] <fantyzz> TJ-: I haven't been helped :)
[13:10] <fantyzz> It happened to me a few hours ago
[13:11] <TJ-> fantyzz: oh... so we have 2 users affected. Can you add a comment to the bug report please?
[13:11] <solsTiCe> lotuspsychje: oops apt install kodi
[13:12] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: thanks
[13:12] <fantyzz> Sure. I don't believe anything crashed on me either. I got to picking partitions when I realized that it didn't detect my HD and I needed to change things in the BIOS
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: are you on arch?
[13:13] <solsTiCe> lotuspsychje: I talked in 2 channels at the same time. I tripped
[13:13] <TJ-> fantyzz: great! please mention that in your report
[13:13] <solsTiCe> lotuspsychje: ubuntu 18.10
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: screenshot of your ubuntu, that says debian please?
[13:15] <uzee> TJ: url --url http://myserver.mydomain/ubuntu/ubuntu16
[13:15] <fantyzz> TJ-: Will do. How do I go about fixing it though? Your comment doesn't give any instructructions
[13:15] <TJ-> fantyzz: I want user comments so I can get the developer to re-open the report and/or suggest a solution
[13:16] <TJ-> fantyzz: now we know it can effectively cause a DoS with no obvious solution; we may need to use a custom EFI boot image to clear the problem
[13:17] <fantyzz> TJ-: So I'm stuck with a laptop without Ubuntu for any forseable future? :(
[13:17] <solsTiCe> lotuspsychje: you don't believe me ?
[13:17] <TJ-> fantyzz: precisely; that is why I want the dev to pay attention urgently
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: i do, just gathering facts before we create a !bug or so
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: if its kodi for ubuntu, it should not mention debian right
[13:20] <solsTiCe> https://imgur.com/a/WxIDJoS
[13:20] <solsTiCe> I opened a bug report already
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: and you installed it from apt right?
[13:21] <solsTiCe> how many times do I need to repeat ?
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: feel free to share the bug url to the channel, volunteers might have a look
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: cool down, you changed your story few times right
[13:22] <fantyzz> TJ-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1798171/comments/26
[13:26] <charnel> Hi I have a strongswan VPN configured, when I connect it via phone or ipad it works perfectly. But when I use ubuntu I can connect but no internet.  Followed exactly this tutorial : https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-ikev2-vpn-server-with-strongswan-on-ubuntu-18-04-2
[13:27] <charnel> and my local ubuntu version is 18.04 too
[13:30] <TJ-> uzee: what precisely is stored/presented at the --url you provide? is it an ISO image?
[13:30] <sruli> TJ-: I installed pdfmod yesterday and i guess as part of the process it updated some other packages, i saw in the output that it added (or replaced) 133 certificates CA's is this normal or is something wrong?
[13:31] <TJ-> uzee: as in, a loop-mounted ISO image file-system
[13:33] <TJ-> sruli: you'd need to check the apt history.log, see what packages were installed/upgraded
[13:37] <sruli> TJ-: http://termbin.com/2b7x i see it updated ca-certificates-mono:amd64, no clue why
[13:49] <SimonKALI> I have installed new ubuntu 18.10 on laptop and doesnt work mouse and keyboard
[13:49] <SimonKALI> what to do?
[13:53] <syntaxfree> I can interrupt any process with Ctrl-Z and then recover it with `fg`, right?
[13:54] <syntaxfree> Is it possible to serialize that process with its state to disk?
[13:54] <blackflow> syntaxfree: yes, no.
[13:54] <nr9032nsc6> Hi
[13:54] <blackflow> though ctrl-z doesn't close file descriptors, its stdout/stderr is still that console, so ti might interfere with what you're doing
[13:55] <nr9032nsc6> I have a 16.04
[13:55] <syntaxfree> it's mostly internal state.
[13:55] <nr9032nsc6> doesn't work, it doesn't return to invite
[13:55] <nr9032nsc6> this: /root/syncthing-linux-amd64-v0.14.52/syncthing &> /dev/null
[13:55] <nr9032nsc6> the "&" doesn't work, it doesn't return
[13:55] <nr9032nsc6> is it because I'm inside a tmux?
[13:55] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: which shell
[13:55] <syntaxfree> I like literally picked up a neural network model from a tutorial, let it run for two days and it has impressive results.
[13:56] <nr9032nsc6> blackflow: bash i guess
[13:56] <nr9032nsc6> how to know?
[13:56] <TJ-> syntaxfree: yes, you can
[13:56] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: echo $SHELL for example
[13:56] <nr9032nsc6> bash
[13:56] <blackflow> TJ-: which part? :)
[13:56] <nr9032nsc6> but in the lower part of the screen i see: [ssh_tmux]0:bash*
[13:56] <TJ-> syntaxfree: Linux kernel has a facility called CRIU (Checkpoint Restore In Userspace)
[13:57] <nr9032nsc6> it's a container/vps, and when I ssh it, I already come in this tmux
[13:57] <TJ-> syntaxfree: see https://criu.org/Main_Page
[13:57] <blackflow> TJ-: so, hibernate just a single process?
[13:57] <syntaxfree> I'll read up on it
[13:58] <nr9032nsc6> blackflow: any idea?
[13:58] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: &> means  "combine stdout and stderr" and redirect to a file. are you expecting it to go background?
[13:59] <nr9032nsc6> blackflow: yeah
[13:59] <WoC> nr9032nsc6, try either using screen or nohup
[14:01] <nr9032nsc6> WoC: i'm already in a screen
[14:04] <mouses> he usually gets up around this time with his five dimensional space brain
[14:05] <mouses> if he's not up within the hour i'll just log in :)
[14:05] <mouses> lol mischannel
[14:05] <emx> i am currently logged in and am afraid that i forgot the password to unlock the LUKS protected partition when rebooting.
[14:05] <mouses> pardon me
[14:05] <emx> is there a way to check if i remember the correct password or to set it while unlocked?
[14:05] <emx> -- or add another password?
[14:08] <TJ-> emx: add another. see "man cryptsetup" and see "luksAddKey"
[14:09] <emx> TJ-, just found something alarming: i open the disks program
[14:09] <TJ-> emx: you can only change an existing key if you know the passphrase (see luksChangeKey)
[14:09] <emx> and typed my current password and the new one. the program tells me that my current and new one are the same.
[14:09] <emx> shouldn't it just accept silently?
[14:10] <compdoc> sounds like
[14:10] <emx> at least i know now that i still know my current password :)
[14:11] <TJ-> emx: :D
[14:13] <uzee> TJ: sorry had to be away for a bit, I don't have the iso image mounted, but a full extract of the iso image under that directory, that is exactly how I kickstart centos/rhel
[14:14] <uzee> TJ: so I mounted the iso image via loop initially and rsync'ed all the content to that local directory
[14:22] <tibyke_> moin
[14:22] <tibyke_> firefox is really killing me on 16.04.5 with not loading a new tab (or an already existing one on focus) just an animated spinner on white background. this is bloody anoying. any idea?
[14:23] <tibyke_> its 63.03 x64
[14:27] <JimBuntu> remove plugins, possibly do a  complete purge & reinstall of FF? Hard to say without more details.
[14:36] <TJ-> uzee: right, that's what I thought. I believe that is wrong. The --url handler code sets the d-i mirror/* seeds. Mirror points to a valid debian ftparchive layout, as in what you see at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/  - the ISO image only has a small number of (optional extra) packages in that layout. The installer itself works by copying its entire squashfs.filesystem (its root fs) to the target.
[14:38] <uzee> oh wow, well... thats significantly diff to what I was expecting it to do :)
[14:45] <uzee> TJ: so does that mean I can't provide a directory/location which holds all the relevant files for an install locally on my network? that seems kinda odd
[15:12] <dro> Hello, I missed the step "encrypt disk" when installing Ubuntu 18.04 , how can I do it after installation?
[15:14] <ioria>  not worth it
[15:15] <sruli> ioria: I guess you mean the work required to encrypt are not worth and rather do a reinstall? (not that encrypting is not worth it)
[15:16] <ioria> yes
[15:36] <TJ-> uzee: The thing you've got to remember is, debian preseeds is a different concept to kickstart. preseed is about automating configuration of packages as they're installed; kickstart is about completely controlling a remote install
[15:36] <TJ-> uzee: and only some kickstart procedures map onto preseed-ing
[15:36] <vlt> dro: It's possible, though.
[15:39] <uzee> TJ: thanks, thats what i'm starting to understand now. Maybe I should just use preseeding for ubuntu automated installs. I had actually looked into it a little bit, but it seemed like a lot of options need to be supplied at the boot time for preseeding to work. and my first impression was that its not terribly easy to type 8-10 or more lines at the console for boot options... but maybe I misunderstood
[15:45] <TJ-> uzee: you know we have a netinstaller that would do what you want?
[15:47] <TJ-> uzee: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/netinst
[15:48] <stennowork> good day, i think i screwed up something in my install: i installed a new package, apt-get install wkhtmltopdf. it was successfully installed. now i execute `wkhtmltopdf` , and the system tells me -bash: /usr/local/bin/wkhtmltopdf: Can't find file or directory (translated from german)
[15:48] <uzee> TJ: thanks much, I wasn't aware of netinst, will certainly look into it as well as get a better ,understanding of preseeding too... thanks very much for your help
[15:48] <stennowork> however, wkhtmltopdf is installed in /usr/bin and i can call it fine from there
[15:48] <teward> stennowork: `which wkhtmltopdf`
[15:48] <teward> i assume it shows /usr/local/bin ?
[15:49] <teward> close out your command line and reopen it and see if it calls the /usr/bin one instead
[15:49] <stennowork> no, it shows /usr/bin
[15:49] <stennowork> ok, lemme try
[15:49] <teward> stennowork: close out your command line and reopen it, i think path caching is at play
[15:50] <stennowork> teward, closing the shell and opening again fixed the problem: i can now access the program normally. thanks a lot!
[15:50] <coconut> Any difference between BIOS and UEFI with partitions?
[15:50] <teward> stennowork: yeppers, enjoy.
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> coconut: more a question poll for ##hardware
[15:51] <coconut> :) ok
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> coconut: or is it related to an ubuntu issue of yours?
[15:52] <coconut> no, it's not. (actually for a windows pc of a friend of mine)
[15:53] <coconut> i will ask there, thank you.
[16:28] <im0nde> Hello, I'm searcing for a official Ubuntu vagrant image *with desktop*. Is this the official vagrant image? https://app.vagrantup.com/ubuntu/boxes/disco64
[16:28] <im0nde> The others are marked as ubuntu server, I explicetely want a preinstalled Desktop
[16:29] <WoC>   config.vm.box = "ubuntu/disco64"
[16:29] <WoC> disco is a development version
[16:30] <im0nde> WoC: Is there no stable GUI version avaitible?
[16:30] <WoC> idk, just giving fair warning
[16:32] <WoC> i dont see a vagrant for ubuntu
[16:32] <im0nde> WoC: there is this one https://app.vagrantup.com/ubuntu/boxes/bionic64
[16:32] <im0nde> but It doesnt say if it has a gui
[16:32] <im0nde> just thats a "daily build"
[16:33] <WoC> if it doesnt, just apt install lxqt for quick gui
[16:33] <leftyfb> im0nde: that would be a #vagrant support question. I don't think Canonical makes official vagrant images.
[16:33] <jjbby> Hello, I am looking for a app that will act like macs Spotlight, a text search that will switch between open applications first. I use the super-key and text search to open new application instances. Any suggestions?
[16:33] <im0nde> leftyfb: They are marked as "official"
[16:33] <im0nde> but ok, will ask therer
[16:44] <pi0> anti virus for ubuntu
[16:45] <ikonia> what about it ?
[16:45] <RNM> kaspersky
[16:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, just what you need , a Russian anti-virus app :-)
[16:48] <sruli> why are we talking about anti virus here?
[16:49] <ikonia> what is the actual question,
[16:54] <pi0> are there any good free av apps
[16:54] <pi0> for ubuntu
[16:55] <hollusion> http://dpaste.com/3CJD4HP any idea why those two commands have different output?
[16:55] <sruli> pi0: i am sure there are frre ones, good i am not sure, why do you need AV for ubuntu?
[16:55] <hollusion> the mysql group does not seem to work 100% or what am i missing here?
[16:58] <pi0> i was worried about virus when browsing or email
[16:59] <leftyfb> pi0: use the software center
[17:03] <hollusion> re
[17:03] <hollusion> i had to relogin now it works
[17:04] <pi0> will do
[17:05] <tibyke_> JimBuntu, will try, thanks!
[17:05] <walidbentalal1> where can network config be on ubuntu 18.04 server when it is not in /etc/netplan?
[17:06] <walidbentalal1> even /etc/network/interfaces is not there
[17:06] <ioria> walidbentalal1, check /etc/systemd/network/
[17:08] <walidbentalal1> ioria thanks! it's there. but can't figure out how to configure the second interface since. no interface is defined.
[17:09] <ioria> walidbentalal1, you should have something like  [match]  Name=enp1xx
[17:10] <walidbentalal1> ioria can i use netplan instead of this?
[17:11] <walidbentalal1> or the old way /etc/network/interfaces?
[17:11] <ioria> walidbentalal1, sure
[17:12] <ioria> walidbentalal1, a bit elaborated  thou
[17:12] <walidbentalal1> ioria: this file says: # This file sets the IP configuration of the primary (public) network device. # It was created by the OVH installer, please be careful with modifications.
[17:12] <walidbentalal1> ioria i am not sure how to go further without breaking things :P
[17:13] <ioria> walidbentalal1, what kind of ubuntu server did you install ?
[17:13] <walidbentalal1> ioria 18.04 Bionic Beaver
[17:15] <ioria> walidbentalal1, honestly idk ovn ...;
[17:16] <ioria> walidbentalal1, i guess is a vps ?
[17:16] <walidbentalal1> ioria no dedicated storage server
[17:16] <ioria> walidbentalal1, i see
[17:18] <blackflow> walidbentalal1: weren't you here the other day asking the exact same question under a different nick?
[17:19] <walidbentalal1> blackflow today is my first day here. got the server yesterday :)
[17:19] <blackflow> walidbentalal1: I see. so are you adding a new NIC or another IP to the same NIC?
[17:20] <walidbentalal1> blackflow on those servers there are 2 nics. one is activated by default ofcourse and the other one you can configure manually for vrack. that is the one i want to configure with a static ip.
[17:20] <ioria> walidbentalal1, looks like you can simply edit aa /e/n/i   (for a failover ip)
[17:20] <walidbentalal1> blackflow i have done it on the 16.04 but not the 18.04
[17:21] <blackflow> walidbentalal1: right. so just copy the .network unit from the main NIC and adjust for the second one.
[17:21] <walidbentalal1> blackflow i am not sure how to do that and i am afraid to break it since the server is already in production!
[17:21] <blackflow> walidbentalal1: but if you insist, you can reinstall ifupdown and do it the traditional way with /etc/network/interfaces. make sure you remove the .network (and .link, if any) from /etc/systemd/network/   AND disable systemd-networkd.service
[17:22] <blackflow> walidbentalal1: eh, well... real sysadmins do it in production. :)))
[17:22] <walidbentalal1> blackflow hahaha true. i just don't have the admin balls to do it on 18.04 just yet.
[17:22] <blackflow> but I'd suggest you don't do that and just add the second .network unit, copy the first, change Match, Address and Gateway to comply.
[17:23] <blackflow> walidbentalal1: I suppose it's not that critical production or else you'd have a safety net.
[17:23] <blackflow> so... just do it.
[17:24] <blackflow> but hey, even testing won't help sometimes. I just now nuked a production machine by fiddling with the initramfs, despite of successful tests run in a cloned environment in a VM. Pffft.
[17:25] <walidbentalal1> blackflow this is how the current file looks like. that is easy enough. do i just add another one at the bottom with a different match and the right ip info for the second nic? https://pastebin.com/h8GCMVGu
[17:25] <tgm4883> Doesn't 18.04 server use network manager?
[17:26] <blackflow> walidbentalal1: right, copy it and adjust Name, Address and Gateway for the vrack subnet
[17:26] <blackflow> tgm4883: nope
[17:26] <blackflow> ewwww!
[17:27] <blackflow> besides, this is a custom OVH image. they drop netplan (as they should :)  )
[17:28] <compdoc> netplan is the future
[17:29] <Pdrome> hello again, if I install an earlier version of xfsprogs, does it replace the ubuntu os version or are they coexisting? And if coexisting how do i know which one i am using?
[17:30]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[17:30] <Pdrome> exactly tgm ;o)
[17:30] <tgm4883> Pdrome: I would bet it replaces it
[17:31] <tgm4883> but you'd have to look at the package name
[17:32] <tgm4883> blackflow: looks like NetworkManager can be a renderer for netplan anyway (according to this thing on netplan I'm reading)
[17:32] <Pdrome> i pondered if it leaves os version still in the gui menus but maybe i have to run the older version from terminal only - in other news i found that xfs has an irc so i hope to ask in there if they would consider adding back in support for v1 superblock as a legacy feature
[17:32] <ikonia> tgm4883: I'd be interested in how network manager parses netplan....
[17:33] <ikonia> if you'd care to share your findings
[17:33] <blackflow> tgm4883: yes it can, but why on earth would anyone wanna do that on a server
[17:33] <Pdrome> tgm4883: i get you i will check the package name - thanks
[17:33] <tgm4883> ikonia: IDK, https://netplan.io/
[17:33] <tgm4883> just saw it listed there
[17:34] <tgm4883> blackflow: there's lots of reasons why that is desirable, all of which would be OT for this channel
[17:34] <blackflow> ikonia: it doesn't, netplan is config abstration that adjusts the backends. the backends have  no idea they're netplan's little puppets.
[17:34] <teward> ikonia: I don't think network manager *does* parse netplan
[17:34] <ikonia> tgm4883: yeah, but it looks like ubuntu is the only one using it and it doesn't seem to integrate into any of the services out of the box
[17:34] <ikonia> teward: no, it's manipluated by it, it would seem
[17:34] <ikonia> rather than taking the config in - the config is pushed to it
[17:35] <blackflow> ikonia: yup. and ubuntu is going to be the only one using the NIHplan.
[17:35] <ikonia> blackflow: its another mir
[17:35] <tgm4883> IDK, I'd not heard about netplan yet
[17:35] <tgm4883> or at least hadn't looked into it too much
[17:36] <blackflow> you ain't missing anything. it literally does nothing but configure a backend (systemd-networkd or NM) from its own YAML config.
[17:36] <tgm4883> ah
[17:36] <ikonia> blackflow: yeah, I thought it was parsed by those services, I totally missunderstood it
[17:36] <blackflow> it has no other function but to be config abstractor
[17:36] <tgm4883> All my work servers are CentOS 6/7 anyway so I wouldn't be able to mess with it too much
[17:37] <ikonia> I saw potential for things like host based virtual infrastructure, but actually even with that....maybe not
[17:37] <blackflow> tgm4883: figures why ou'd think NM on a server is okay :)  fedora, centos 7, that's all NM, right?
[17:37] <tgm4883> blackflow: network-scripts, but we use nmtui to configure it
[17:37] <TJ-> ikonia: netplan came out of the cloud-init work for quickly configuring ephermal containers and VMs
[17:37] <blackflow> "quickly"
[17:38] <ikonia> TJ-: ahh so it's come out of the dynamic config from cloud-init
[17:38] <tgm4883> blackflow: so yea
[17:38] <blackflow> tgm4883: yah. :)
[17:38] <blurkis> whats the most simple and easy way to copy pictures from android phone to ubuntu desktop?
[17:38] <blackflow> I count LESS lines of code in my .network unit than in the netplan YAML needed to create it.
[17:39] <tgm4883> blurkis: plug it in and copy the directory?
[17:39] <blackflow> that's what I do
[17:39] <sud0x3> blurkis: depends, I take it the device doesnt all you to use as removable storage device when plugged in via usb.
[17:39] <tgm4883> that is by definition, the most simple and easy way
[17:39] <JimBuntu> blurkis, connect phone to computer, tap the notification area on phone and change from charge only to transfer files, open newly mounted directory, copy/paste as you see fit
[17:39] <sud0x3> blurkis: some phone only use the mtp protocol though
[17:39] <ikonia> TJ-: have you actually used it in a real use case ?
[17:39] <Mylon> How would I recover a corrupt sun partitioned volume?  Testdisk found it, but doesn't have the ability to repair the header.
[17:40] <blurkis> tgm4883: yeah. I was afraid of that. hahah...  I need to go find a free usb-cable then.. :)
[17:40] <tgm4883> blurkis: I would say the second most simple way would be to just download them from google photos, assuming you are backing up your photos to the cloud
[17:40] <Pdrome> blurkis: does your computer have bluetooth?
[17:40] <JimBuntu> blurkis, you *could* use ADB over wifi, but it's a bit more complicated
[17:41] <TJ-> ikonia: netplan? Yes, but I do it under protest most of the time. It's fine for container config where the config is being generated outside and pushed in, but for bare-metal permanent hosts its overkill *until* users want to simply create complex configs, then it comes into its own... think bridges, bonding, vlans, and so on
[17:43] <ikonia> TJ-: what advantage would it give you over say virsh for example
[17:43] <ikonia> from a real world point of view
[17:45] <TJ-> ikonia: virsh isn't designed to configure the guest internals
[17:45] <ikonia> TJ-: ahhhhhhhh ok, I'm seeing the context now
[17:46] <ikonia> now I get the "push" mentality
[17:46] <TJ-> plus of course it works no matter whether the 'guest' is a container or VM managed by QEMU/virsh/libvirt/Virtualbox/vmware
[17:47] <ikonia> TJ-: no, that's the key part I was missing, it's not just configuring the network, it's configuring a guest to participate
[17:47] <ikonia> TJ-: nice example, thank you
[17:48] <TJ-> ikonia: it's *only* configuring the guest; nothing to do with the host at all
[17:48] <TJ-> ikonia: it's just a renderer that reads YAML and generates the actual config files for systemnetworkd or network-manager
[17:49] <ikonia> TJ-: probably going to have to actually give it a real run myself
[17:50] <BaKKaR> hello ladies and gents, anyone to help me with by Ubuntu quest? :)
[17:50] <BaKKaR> I am having an issue with the audio in the 18.04 version i am running. After the last update the audio works only on some programs but it does not work on the others, i dont know why. Any help please?
[17:50] <TJ-> hmmm, I think my ultrabook is curling up like a dry sandwich!
[17:51] <tgm4883> BaKKaR: what programs work vs which don't work?
[17:52] <BaKKaR> tgm4883, sure! it works with VLC (only when i select audio profile as Alsa) and Rythembox. But when i try to use videos - for playing movies or watch anything on youtube - using firefox - it does not work
[17:53] <tgm4883> BaKKaR: what is your speaker setup like? Do you have usb headphones/speakers?
[17:53] <BaKKaR> tgm4883, its the laptop built-in speakers
[17:54] <TJ-> BaKKaR: sounds like pulseaudio is using the dummy device
[17:54] <BaKKaR> tgm4883, if that helps, when i go to settings and test the audio from there the correct right/left speakers play the test sound
[17:54] <tgm4883> TJ-: possibly. BaKKaR I would install pavucontrol and check what firefox is trying to play sound through
[17:54] <TJ-> BaKKaR: we've had a few users recently report this; cannot recall right now what the correct solution was, but I do recall spending a lot of time investigating
[17:55] <BaKKaR> TJ-, thank you for pointing this out
[17:55] <BluesKaj> firefox requires pulseaudio now, so it should work
[17:55] <BaKKaR> tgm4883, shoud i install this right from terminal?
[17:55] <tgm4883> BaKKaR: sure
[17:55] <BaKKaR> TJ-, did all of them complained after the last update?
[17:56] <BluesKaj> sometimes the intel audio bug rears it's ugly head , but it usually cuts off all audio
[17:58] <BaKKaR> tgm4883, worked thank you
[17:58] <TJ-> BaKKaR: I can't recall the precise circumstances
[17:59] <tgm4883> BaKKaR: yw
[17:59] <BaKKaR> tgm4883, it appeared it was stuck on HDMI audio while it says it is unplugged .. meh!
[18:01] <jnewt> software updater says i have available updates, but nothing in the list.  should I update nothing?
[18:01] <BaKKaR> tgm4883, videos played the audio now as well it was the same tuck on the HDMI profile
[18:02] <tgm4883> BaKKaR: I think you should be able to disable the HDMI output
[18:02] <tgm4883> on the configuration tab I thinhk
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> jnewt: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[18:02] <BaKKaR> tgm4883, yes i did select the correct output and it works now perfectly fine
[18:02] <BaKKaR> (Y)
[18:02] <tgm4883> great news
[18:03] <jnewt> this install has always been buggy. maybe my hardware.
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> jnewt: hardware & apt? explain a bit more please?
[18:06] <jnewt> nothing specific,  it just seems to be buggy, this req to update software is just todays issue.   graphics are slower than windows.  doesnt boot to gui anymore, etc.
[18:06] <jnewt> lucky it boots to cli i guess.
[18:07] <jnewt> had good luck with server linux, desktop, not so much
[18:08] <teward> jnewt: try Lubuntu, if graphics are slow, because GNOME is not resource-light :|
[18:08] <teward> different UI but it'd be a bit faster
[18:09] <jnewt> I should have the hardware to run whatever.
[18:35] <jjbby> Any suggestions on using a text search to switch between active windows/apps? Everything I have found opens a new app e.g. search:music opens music app rather than going to the already open music app. Spotlight on mac does this.
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> jjbby: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[18:38] <jjbby> 18.04
[18:39] <jjbby> gnome
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> jjbby: can super+tab help you?
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> jjbby: the activities in the left upepr corner does also give you an overview of all running programs
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> *upper
[18:40] <jjbby> lotuspsychje, i use super+tab or alt+tab ot alt+` and alt+esc. I just want to explicit in what I am going to instead of tabbing through 10 open apps to get to the middle one
[18:41] <jjbby> super key alone also does the same as the activites button
[18:42] <ioria> jjbby, you can try the cerebro Appimage
[18:42] <ioria> jjbby, https://github.com/KELiON/cerebro/releases
[18:43] <jjbby> does that switch to open apps or just a launcher? Was looking at it and looks just like a launcher. Same for synapse, uluancher, and albert
[18:44] <ioria> jjbby, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/cerebro-is-a-spotlight-linux-equivalent
[18:44] <jjbby> ioria, yeah, i saw that, only i think spotlight changed to more than just a launcher. Ill grab cerebro to and check.
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> jjbby: i recall there was a dconf setting too, to make 18.04 dock icons behave like unity click
[18:45] <ioria> gl
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> not sure wich setting anymore
[18:45] <ioria> lotuspsychje, you mean the 'roll' action ?
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> not sure ioria its too long ago, had one case
[18:47] <Minor723> Is there a way to search files for text inside of them? I am running echo "$http_proxy" and it showing me proxy information that I cannot find on my system anywhere
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> ioria jjbby check dash-to-dock in dconf-editor
[18:48] <leftyfb> Minor723: grep
[18:48] <Minor723> leftyfb: grep and some text will search everywhere?
[18:49] <denisbr> Hi, how I change the order in the alt+tab for use the order "by programm use" By default is by cpu usage for me I´m using Ubuntu Budge
[18:50] <leftyfb> Minor723: "man grep" will tell you how to use grep. At it's most basic: grep "some text" /path/to/file       or grep -R "some text" /path/
[18:50] <jjbby> its such a handy way of navigating a lot of open apps and its become an obession to fidn the functionality.
[18:50] <Minor723> what if you have no idea where the file might be?
[18:50] <ioria> Minor723, i'd start with /etc/environment
[18:51] <leftyfb> Minor723: or you could just type: "env"   to find what you're looking for
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> jjbby: check on click-action dash to dock in dconf-editor
[18:51] <jjbby> lotuspsychje, im looking at it now!
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> good luck
[18:54] <leftyfb> oh, my bad. I assumed env would show you where an env was set from. It's not
[18:55] <Minor723> I see the incorrect proxy when i type env, but how can i tell where its getting that information?
[18:56] <leftyfb> Minor723: try: sudo grep -R "http_proxy" /etc/ 2>/dev/null
[18:58] <Minor723> proxy settings were in /etc/bash.bash.rc is it ok for them to be there?
[18:58] <leftyfb> Minor723: what exactly is the issue you are having?
[18:59] <Minor723> I am just trying to setup a system wide proxy that works and this bash file had incorrect information it it and it was overwriting the /etc/environment and other settings
[19:00] <leftyfb> Minor723: what version of ubuntu?
[19:00] <Minor723> leftyfb: 18.10 with no gui
[19:04] <jjbby> Update: Rofi seems to be able to luanch and switch between apps.
[19:21] <jjbby> ok...the real update here is taht ubuntu(18.04 at least) does what I have been asking out of the box. super-key + search does exactly what i thought it didnt
[19:52] <FreeBDSM> what the hell? I installed `smartmontools` package to get `smartctl` util but it also installed `postfix`! I then uninstalled `smartmontools` package and did `autoremove`, but `postfix` package did not get deleted!
[19:52] <FreeBDSM> what a crappy idea to bind disk tools with mail tools
[19:57] <JimBuntu> FreeBDSM, That sounds suspicious
[19:58] <JimBuntu> FreeBDSM, what do you get for apt-cache rdepends packagename smartmontools ?
[20:02] <lordcirth> FreeBDSM, smartmontools has the ability to monitor your disks and send warning emails, thus it Recommends mailutils.  And apt installs recommends by default, unless you pass "--no-install-recommends"
[20:02] <lordcirth> Also, there's a reason apt gives a [Y/n] before installing extra packages.
[20:05] <AngelKde> lordcirth,  go outside of this webside  lol
[20:05] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: you were told this 3 days ago
[20:05] <ioria> and ,btw, it  'doesn't  install postfix'; it installs an mta; if an alternative is already present,it installs nothing  about it
[20:05] <leftyfb> AngelKde: can we help you with something?
[20:06] <AngelKde> leftyfb,  no thank you
[20:08] <lordcirth> I'm not sure why he wants me to leave, but I'll assume it's a misunderstanding of some sort.  Certainly no shortage of those
[20:08] <tchakatak> Hello o/ i would like to know if there is any piece of software like gnome keyring and seahorse... without all the gnome stuff ?
[20:10] <AngelKde> lordcirth,  you can do anything you want is possible that I misunderstood
[20:10] <lordcirth> tchakatak, a keyring that integrates with NetworkManager, etc, or a general password manager?
[20:10] <tchakatak> that integrates with Nm / git ... etc
[20:11] <ioria> !info pass
[20:12] <chrismatthews> say I have a server running ubuntu on aws. AWS set it up with KEY_ID="key1" and starts a program. I ssh into it and set  export KEY_ID="key2" Does the program started on startup see key1 or key2 for the enviromental variable. And when I exit ssh, is my export undone?
[20:12] <transhumanist> ok is there some new magic other than adding to ram at the end of the kernel line after splash and before --- in order to get it to boot to ram on next boot for live disk?
[20:13] <transhumanist> sorry adding toram
[20:13] <tchakatak> I'l take a look at it :)
[20:13] <tchakatak> thanks
[20:13] <lordcirth> chrismatthews, 'export' changes the variable for this shell and all subshells it spawns.
[20:14] <lordcirth> So if you close your ssh session, all bash shells that contained the changed variable will be gone, unless you used screen/tmux/etc
[20:19] <chrismatthews> thanks lordcirth. Where can I find the env variables that are set when I start my ssh session?
[20:20] <lordcirth> chrismatthews, they are combined from /etc/environment, /etc/profile, $USER/.bash_profile, $USER/.bashrc, and possibly others I'm forgetting.
[20:21] <lordcirth> To see the total result, just run 'env'
[20:21] <lordcirth> If you want to change something for your user, add the export statement to ~/.bash_profile
[20:43] <Pdrome> would dd and ddrescue be offtopic here?
[20:48] <elias_a> Pdrome: AFAIK no if run on Ubuntu. :?
[20:48] <elias_a> :P
[20:49] <lordcirth> Pdrome, common uses of them, on Ubuntu, should be fine. What's your question?
[20:50] <Pdrome> working to clone a failing hdd, on 16.04 lts, is dd just for healthy hdds or can/should i be using it on this iffy hdd (i ask as i am aware of ddrescue and gddrescue as well so wasnt sure when each is appropriate)
[20:50] <lordcirth> Pdrome, if it's failing, I would use ddrescue or similar
[20:50] <pjs> What is the proper way to take a pkg listing from one machine, use that listing to match the installed packages on another? 18.04
[20:51] <Pdrome> i think i will need things like bad sector skipping, multiple passes etc so i take it dd wont do any of that then?
[20:51] <leftyfb> pjs: don't do that
[20:52] <Pdrome> elias_a: lordcirth: thanks for the advice
[20:52] <pjs> leftyfb: why not?
[20:52] <leftyfb> pjs: because it won't turn out the way you thin
[20:52] <leftyfb> think*
[20:52] <lordcirth> pjs, what is the problem you are trying to solve?
[20:52] <pjs> leftyfb: so what do you suggest?
[20:53] <pjs> lordcirth: server migration
[20:53] <leftyfb> pjs: just make a list of packages you want installed ... use a list of installed packages as a reference. Do not install every package from that list
[20:53] <pjs> leftyfb: Exactly what I was hoping to avoid :)
[20:53] <lordcirth> pjs, what kind of server?  It would be preferable to just know what the server is supposed to do, set it up to do it, and document.
[20:54] <leftyfb> pjs: if this is for a company and something that will be happening multiple times, I would recommend using tools like ansible to build deploy recipes
[20:54] <lordcirth> If you don't know what it does or what's on it, you're doomed eventually anyway :P
[20:54] <lordcirth> I'd recommend Saltstack, but yes
[20:54] <pjs> lordcirth: app server
[20:54] <pjs> lordcirth: yes, we use Salt heavily but this client didn't want to shell out for it :)
[20:54] <lordcirth> pjs, you make them pay extra for Salt?
[20:54] <pjs> lordcirth: I make them pay for time spent, yes.
[20:55] <lordcirth> But salt doesn't take extra time, in my experience.  But ok
[20:55] <pjs> lordcirth: huh? of course it does
[20:56] <jaziz> if I point my domain to the IP of my server, do I have to do anything on the server side to allow access to it?
[20:56] <leftyfb> pjs: you are going to spend the time to build the list of packages you need installed using the "apt list --installed" as reference. DO NOT use that list to install every package from the list.
[20:56] <lordcirth> Half the point of using it is that you can just git pull all the basic stuff you wrote already
[20:56] <leftyfb> jaziz: depends on what you want the server to do
[20:56] <lordcirth> jaziz, does your server have a public IP?
[20:56] <pjs> lordcirth: all of our salt is done for FreeBSD, this client wants Ubuntu, this my question :)
[20:56] <jaziz> leftyfb, I just want to use it as a site
[20:56] <lordcirth> pjs, ah, that makes more sense
[20:56] <jaziz> lordcirth, Yeah, I think so
[20:57] <leftyfb> jaziz: for a web server, then yes, you need to setup virtualhosts for your domain
[20:57] <jaziz> leftyfb, I see
[21:00] <jaziz> will there be any issue involving passwords for access?
[21:00] <jaziz> since I have to input a password for ssh
[21:10] <moredrowsy> hi, i was wondering how do i properly auto start powertop? ive added it to the systemd/service/powertop.service file with the correct info from arch wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/powertop
[21:10] <moredrowsy> but it never really auto start with the --auto-tune param. ive always have to manually type in 'powertop --auto-tune' for it to work
[21:11] <moredrowsy> otherwise my laptop always have rocket-like fan speeds from max cpu power
[21:12] <lordcirth> moredrowsy, does 'systemctl status powertop' show any errors?
[21:12] <moredrowsy> should i type that now that i manually started poewrtop
[21:12] <moredrowsy> or when i auto start with it not working?
[21:13] <moredrowsy> lemme restart and see if it has errors cause right now it's okay
[21:13] <moredrowsy> brb
[21:15] <leftyfb> moredrowsy: is there a /etc/default/powertop file?
[21:15] <moredrowsy> lordcirth, hmm, powertop says cannot load file from /var/cache/powertop/saved_parameters.powertop
[21:16] <lordcirth> moredrowsy, the archwiki has a section for that error
[21:16] <moredrowsy> leftyfb, no ther isnt a file there
[21:16] <moredrowsy> oh, lordcirth, ill look into it again. thanks
[21:18] <Pdrome> how do you get ubottu to spew out those helpful links to things eg for dd and gddrescue
[21:18] <moredrowsy> lordcirth, the arch wiki says to run powertop with batery power only. like....just use my lappy normally with battery only and it will auto collect info or is there a command i need to execute while in battery only?
[21:18] <lordcirth> moredrowsy, it just says to run it, so yeah, I guess just run on battery for a bit
[21:19] <lordcirth> It's odd that it didn't throw the same error when you start it manually, though?
[21:19] <moredrowsy> no error when manually starting it
[21:19] <moredrowsy> i can seen that before i manually add in auto tune
[21:19] <moredrowsy> the tuneable is in bad state
[21:27] <FurretUber> On Xfce4, what is the program responsible for doing the actions related to keyboard shortcuts as Ctrl+Alt+T or Screenshot? Some keyboard shortcuts stopped working
[21:27] <lordcirth> So, I've got an 18.04 desktop VM, and I've edited /etc/gdm3/custom.conf to enable automatic login, but it's not working
[21:27] <FurretUber> Shortcuts as Alt+F4, so seemingly the ones related to the window manager, still work
[21:28] <FurretUber> This is not the first time this happens to me, but I never managed to discover what goes wrong. This is resolved by logging out and logging in again but is pretty annoying
[21:30] <lordcirth> Anyone see a problem with this config? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kbZZSZgnH6/
[21:31] <FurretUber> Is there a way to discover what is the problem? I know that xfsettingsd with XFSETTINGSD_DEBUG=1 environment variable shows nothing wrong when the problem happens
[21:35] <FurretUber> There are spaces in the sides of the equal symbol, and is you username called guest?
[21:36] <lordcirth> FurretUber, the 'guest' user exists, yes
[21:37] <Pdrome> !info dd
[21:37] <Pdrome> !info ddrescue
[21:37] <lordcirth> Just tried removing the spaces, doesn't work either
[21:37] <Pdrome> !info gddrescue
[21:38] <FurretUber> Did you restart the gdm service? Maybe the service needs to be restarted
[21:38] <lordcirth> FurretUber, I've been rebooting each time to be safe
[21:43] <FurretUber> Reading https://askubuntu.com/questions/967847/ubuntu-17-10-gdm-auto-login-not-working/968471 it says the "True" should be in lowercase
[21:43] <lordcirth> Yeah, just found and tried that
[21:44] <lordcirth> However, looking at the GUI, enabling autologin for guest is greyed out
[21:45] <FurretUber> Maybe the name "guest" has restrictions
[21:45] <FurretUber> Or the user "guest" is not in the groups it needs to be
[21:46] <lordcirth> Setting a password for 'guest' un-greyed it
[21:46] <lordcirth> Perhaps that was the problem
[21:57] <TJ-> I seem to recall there is (was?) a way to prevent service start on new package install - but as far as I recall that was specific to sysv-init. Any ideas if there's a similar option on 18.04?
[22:00] <blackflow> TJ-: it was a dpkg setting iirc, and it basically prevented maintainer scripts which caused other issues
[22:01] <blackflow> TJ-: this, right? https://jpetazzo.github.io/2013/10/06/policy-rc-d-do-not-start-services-automatically/
[22:02] <TJ-> yes, that's sysv-rc
[22:04] <TJ-> I'm doing a chroot side-by-side upgrade and don't want services trying to start and bind to ports and so forth
[22:06] <TJ-> hmmm, apparently deb-systemd-invoke also checks /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d
[22:06] <FurretUber> Weren't the services startup requests ignored by systemd? Something like "running in chroot, ignoring request"
[22:07] <TJ-> FurretUber: yes, some are but I have seen instances where that doesn't happen so I suspect it depends on how the package .postinst script behaves
[22:09] <Pdrome> does this look ok for a ddrescue command...  ddrescue -v -v -v -v /dev/sdc /dev/sdb pvrmapfile
[22:11] <murthy> does ubuntu provide opencv contrib libs as a package?
[22:11] <TJ-> apparently a manual systemd mask is also possible, as in "ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/system/unit.name (but you've got to know the unit names ahead of installation)
[22:13] <Pdrome> does this look ok for a ddrescue command...  ddrescue -v -v -v -v -f /dev/sdc /dev/sdb pvrmapfile
[22:17] <olabaz> hey, I recently installed ubuntu and it feels kind of slow. The first is the grub menu that takes several seconds to update when i change the selected boot option
[22:17] <TJ-> seems to work: "Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/bind9.service → /lib/systemd/system/bind9.service." ... "invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of start."
[22:31] <puff> I'm running xubuntu 16.04 LTS.  Just updated and restarted.  I make heavy use of the Workspace Switch gnome applet but recently it seems to add a new workspace every time I reboot.  I was up to 11, so I used rightclick/Workspace Settings to reduce the number, but I clicked too many times and now it's down to only ONE workspace... and then I couldn't get to INCREASE the number of workspaces.
[22:32] <puff> When I brought up the Workspace Settings dialog and clicked to increase the number it looks like it increases it and then immediately decreases it.
[22:32] <puff> I did right-click remove to remove Workspace switcher entirely, and now it won't let me readd it to the gnome menu bar.
[22:33] <klow> Heya.. anyone use debmirror or apt-mirror or any similar tool to create their own debian or ubuntu mirror? I've been tasked to do this an am trying to find the best tool. Having some weird errors with debmirror on xenial.  I want to mirror everything in amd64 / xenial only
[22:37] <salamanderrake> why is the default python still 2.7?
[22:47] <Pdrome> ok my last attempt at asking... does this look ok for a ddrescue command?...  ddrescue -vvvv -f /dev/sdc /dev/sdb /home/ubuntu/Desktop/pvrmapfile
[22:47] <Pdrome> ddrescue -vvvv -f /dev/sdc /dev/sdb /home/ubuntu/Desktop/pvrmapfile
[23:25] <olabaz> hi, I have a question. When I install things into the /usr/local directory and /opt/ directory is that on my root partition?
[23:26] <salamanderrake> yes, unless you put usr/ and opt/ on seperate partitions, hence  the first / is root
[23:26] <salamanderrake> so /home is home from / root
[23:26] <salamanderrake> and home
[23:26] <salamanderrake> is local to your current dir
[23:26] <salamanderrake> aka
[23:26] <salamanderrake> ls /home
[23:26] <olabaz> hmm, i think i have my home on its own partition
[23:27] <salamanderrake> should show you whats under home
[23:27] <salamanderrake> and ls home
[23:27] <salamanderrake> may cause an error or not, depending on where you are at
[23:27] <olabaz> can I increase the size of root by decreasing my size of home partition?
[23:27] <salamanderrake> olabaz: is usr and/or opt on seperate partitions?
[23:27] <Bashing-om> olabaz: That is an open ended question, as everything is under / (root). '/' is the head of the file system .
[23:27] <olabaz> no i only made root, swap, home
[23:27] <olabaz> partitions
[23:28] <salamanderrake> olabaz: you 'can', but do you want to?
[23:28] <olabaz> yes I am running out of space
[23:28] <salamanderrake> you have to do it with a seperate program
[23:28] <salamanderrake> what was installed into /opt that was important?
[23:28] <olabaz> Mathematica
[23:29] <salamanderrake> oh
[23:29] <salamanderrake> thats not that big
[23:29] <olabaz> it's 10.4 GB
[23:29] <salamanderrake> how much room do you have?
[23:29] <olabaz> and my root I made 20GB
[23:29] <salamanderrake> oh, snap
[23:29] <salamanderrake> yeah
[23:29] <salamanderrake> I made that mistake befoer
[23:29] <salamanderrake> but I have an extra drive that I mounted and put a bunch of stuff on
[23:30] <olabaz> I read that I only needed 20 GB root
[23:30] <olabaz> so I put that and the rest of my 1TB on home
[23:30] <salamanderrake> yeah, thats never the case
[23:30] <olabaz> so my home is pretty empty
[23:30] <salamanderrake> how much of home is used?
[23:30] <olabaz> not very much probably 5 GB
[23:31] <salamanderrake> I don't know if this will work
[23:31] <salamanderrake> and to be fair, whoever said you only need 20 didn't know you were going to install Matha-huge-appa-tica
[23:31] <olabaz> should I just install everything into Home?
[23:32] <salamanderrake> how did you install mathamatica?
[23:32] <olabaz> I can reinstall mathematica
[23:32] <salamanderrake> I don't know, I never installed it or used it
[23:33] <salamanderrake> olabaz: is this *work related of for fun?
[23:34] <salamanderrake> create a folder under your home dir as opt/ or put it as .opt/ to keep it invisible
[23:34] <salamanderrake> and install it to ~/.opt
[23:34] <olabaz> ok
[23:34] <salamanderrake> you may, depending on what mathamatica is, have to set some envirement variables
[23:35] <olabaz> I can just make a folder in home and install everything there from now on I guess
[23:35] <salamanderrake> do you have anything in ~/bin ?
[23:36] <olabaz> no
[23:36] <salamanderrake> Is mathamatica a libray or application or both?
[23:36] <olabaz> an application
[23:37] <salamanderrake> does math~ have a bin folder under its root?
[23:38] <olabaz> salamanderrake: no
[23:38] <salamanderrake> well, just symlink the mathimatica binary into your ~/bin folder
[23:39] <salamanderrake> and either create a .desktop file or use the one they may provide and modify it to point to your install, unless it installs a .desktop file for you.
[23:39] <olabaz> alright, I think I can do that
[23:39] <olabaz> thanks
[23:40] <salamanderrake> well, put the .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications/ so your gui can find it and you can run it from the desktop or menu
[23:40] <salamanderrake> also
[23:41] <salamanderrake> A good rule of thumb is to create twice as big a drive/partition for / as they say you should, because you never know.
[23:48] <ph88> how can i change this sourcecode, recompile it and load it into my current OS ?  https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/ca9eb48fe01fa7fa60ff9f2196b1bd0d84dc81af/drivers/hwmon/nct6775.c
[23:55] <klu3> hello im trying to clone 1tb hdd to 1tb ssd using live-linux-system is my command okay? sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1M count=2 status=progress
[23:59] <hggdh> klu3: why only two blocks (count=2)?


[01:44] <cesarb> I just noticed that the builds from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31-rc5/ do not have CONFIG_MEDIA_SUPPORT set, which makes it harder to test anything webcam-related.
[01:45] <cesarb> Should I report it somewhere?
[10:16] <Q-FUNK> howdy!
[10:17] <Q-FUNK> I'm wondering what is the correct syntax for declaring the framebuffer size on grub cmdline, these days?  vga=794 no longer works, it seems.
[10:18] <Q-FUNK> have we reverted to hex values again?
[11:15] <apw> Keybuk, hey ... floppies ... do you think its reasonable to automatically scan those for partitions?  or more specificially do you think its unreasonable to not scan them?
[11:17] <Keybuk> err, floppies can't have partitions
[11:17] <apw> Q-FUNK, i've alway seen hex used, i have also seen vga=ask which lists them and lets you select
[11:17] <apw> they really can
[11:17] <Keybuk> no they can't
[11:17] <apw> they have an mbr, therefore they can have a partition table, as far as i know
[11:17] <apw> but i am happy to hear scanning them is stupid in your opinion :)
[11:18] <Keybuk> actually that's not correct ;)
[11:18] <Keybuk> floppy disks have a volume boot sector
[11:18] <apw> please educate me, it not being possible is very handy
[11:18] <Keybuk> not an mbr
[11:18] <Q-FUNK> apw: found the solution.  it just seems that fbdev used to be compiled-in on ubuntu kernels. not anymore.  plus, it's blacklisted in some modprobe.d config.
[11:19] <Q-FUNK> öö.. vesafb
[11:19] <Keybuk> apw: just to confirm
[11:19] <Keybuk> we're talking about the legacy floppy controller here
[11:19] <Keybuk> not IDE or SCSI "floppy" drives, right?
[11:19] <apw> yes, the legacy isa one, not scsi etc
[11:19] <Keybuk> you don't mean ISA do you?
[11:19] <Keybuk> hard-wired one?
[11:19] <apw> i mean the crappy old one most of us don't have :)
[11:19] <Keybuk> right
[11:20] <apw> so i think thats the cause of the boot delays, devkit-disk is running on the floppy
[11:20] <Keybuk> really?
[11:20] <apw> and trying to find the partition table, even when there is no media, and its takign 48 seconds
[11:20] <Keybuk> that's probably
[11:20] <apw> i had someone time it, 48s to run devkit-disks on it
[11:20] <Keybuk> that devkit-disks rules is causing a *lot* of problems
[11:21] <apw> (this is the case when you dont have a floppy drive)
[11:21] <apw> cool.  then i think i can simply justify skipping those checks on a floppy
[11:21] <Keybuk> yeah
[11:21] <Keybuk> talk to upstream though
[11:21] <Keybuk> don't patch the rules locally
[11:22] <apw> upstream being debian i assume
[11:22] <Keybuk> no
[11:22] <Keybuk> upstream being devkit-disks upstream
[11:22] <Keybuk> we have a strong policy of not shipping modified udev rules for any of the plumbing layer
[11:22] <apw> oh are the rules coming from there... hrm
[11:22] <apw> ok ...
[11:23] <Keybuk> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=489083
[11:23] <ubot3> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 489083 in DeviceKit-disks "devkit-disk tortures my good old floppy drive" [Medium,Closed: errata]
[11:24] <Keybuk> looks from that like davidz is quite happy with the "ignore legacy floppy" approach
[11:24] <Keybuk> and this is just an omission
[11:25] <Keybuk> interestingly
[11:25] <Keybuk> in 60-persistent-storage.rules:
[11:25] <Keybuk> KERNEL=="fd*|mtd*|nbd*|gnbd*|btibm*|dm-*|md*", GOTO="persistent_storage_end"
[11:25] <Keybuk> but in 95-devkit-disks.rules:
[11:25] <Keybuk> KERNEL=="mtd*|nbd*|gnbd*|btibm*", GOTO="probe_parttable_end"
[11:25] <Keybuk> so they don't quite match
[11:25] <Keybuk> I'll chat to David when he wakes up
[11:26] <apw> Keybuk, thanks
[11:26] <apw> yeah my proposal was to add fd* to the latter one
[11:27] <Keybuk> right
[11:27] <Keybuk> that would be the fix
[11:27] <Keybuk> let me get it fixed upstream though ;)
[11:27] <apw> fair enough for me
[11:27] <apw> less work :)
[11:27] <apw> i should mark the bug for devkit-disks i guess ... will do that
[11:28] <Keybuk> yup
[11:43] <apw> Keybuk, done
[13:24] <mhatch> Two quick questions:  1.  Why is the AHCI and ATA drivers compiled directly into the kernel in 9.04 Server, and 2.  Is there a way to change the order in which these drivers are loaded?  I could do this with modules in the past but I have yet to determine if it's possible when the drivers were compiled directly into the kernel.
[13:33] <amitk> who is our squashfs expert?
[13:33] <amitk> I've got a problem with the fsl live image: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/252472/
[13:33] <rtg> amitk, apw did the port
[13:34] <amitk> squashfs had to be ported?
[13:34] <rtg> well, integrated I guess
[13:34]  * apw looks up... huh?
[13:35] <apw> that pastebin think looks like there is no filesystem?
[13:36] <amitk> apw: squashfs, bug, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/252472/, clue?
[13:36] <apw> SQUASHFS error: squashfs_read_data failed to read block 0x0
[13:36] <apw> it panicing after a read error might be reasonable
[13:36] <apw> where is the squashfs stored?
[13:36] <ogra> vfat partition
[13:37] <ogra> on mmc
[13:38] <apw> rtg squashfs went upstream didn't it?
[13:38] <apw> it was compcache i ported
[13:38] <rtg> apw, uh, right. I was confusing it with AUFS
[13:45] <apw> amitk, ogra that error is nearly useless it can mean one of at least 5 different failures
[13:45] <apw> probabally a decompression failure
[13:46] <apw> how do we build these squashfs things?
[13:46] <ogra> a simple mksquashfs
[13:46] <apw> do we have a userspace tool to check its integrity like we do with initrds?
[13:46] <ogra> apt-get source livecd-rootfs ... see the bottom of the livefs.sh script
[13:47] <ogra>     mksquashfs ${ROOT} livecd.${FSS}.squashfs -sort livecd.${FSS}.sort
[13:47] <ogra>     chmod 644 livecd.${FSS}.squashfs
[13:49] <apw> ogra, i guess the first test is to pull the MMC and see if you can successffuly run unsquashfs on it
[13:49]  * ogra does so
[13:51] <apw> there is no real error before to say it failed to load anything
[13:54] <ogra> hmm, trying to unsuqsh on i386 doesnt work so far
[13:55] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/252484/
[13:55]  * ogra copies the file over to an arm board
[13:56] <ogra> takes a moment ...
[13:57] <amitk> squashfs data shouldn't really be arch-specific, should it?
[13:57] <ogra> no
[13:57] <krgn> hi
[13:58] <ogra> amitk, but to be sure i'll try it anyway, the squashfs was built on armel
[13:58] <ogra> though it will take another 10min to copy
[13:58] <krgn> if I need to build a kernel from vanilla for some reason, how to initialise the source tree so I have all the build scripts in debian/ etc?
[13:59] <amitk> krgn: you could just use the pre-built vanilla kernels if you don't need extra patches
[14:00] <krgn> amitk: I do need extra patches though
[14:00] <krgn> amitk: is there a script that creates debian/ ?
[14:01] <rtg> krgn, start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance
[14:03] <krgn> amitk: thanks for the link
[14:07] <amitk> krgn: you could also look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/MainlineBuilds?action=show&redirect=KernelMainlineBuilds and just download the source .deb of the last mainline build
[14:09] <ogra> amitk, though i shouldnt get an oops (i dont get one on i386) even with a corrupted fs
[14:10] <ogra> i can properly reproduce the oops with mount -o loop -t squashfs filesystem.squashfs /cdrom ... in the initramfs
[14:11] <amitk> ogra: that bug should go upstream through kerneloops/apport
[14:11] <ogra> complicated :P
[14:12] <ogra> we dont have kerneloops in initramfs
[14:12] <amitk> I can see the same issue trying to mount the squashfs on my laptop
[14:12] <amitk> and it triggers kerneloops ;)
[14:15] <amitk> it would be interesting to see how the armel liveimage squashfs differs from the i386
[14:16] <amitk> ogra: ^
[14:16] <ogra> OH !
[14:16] <ogra> ogra@dove:~/temp$ file filesystem.squashfs
[14:16] <ogra> filesystem.squashfs: Squashfs filesystem, little endian, version 4.0,<PHONE_NUMBER>19 bytes, 113897 inodes, blocksize: 41 bytes, created: Sun Jan 15 06:02:56 1967
[14:16] <ogra> thats pre-epoch
[14:17] <amitk> heh
[14:17] <ogra> i wonder if that has any influence
[14:17] <ogra> it definately shouldnt but you never know
[14:17] <amitk> I guess I should refuse to work on things that were created before I was born ;)
[14:18] <ogra> heh
[14:21] <amitk> ogra: BTW squashfs isn't oopsing. It is a warning.
[14:21] <ogra> cant they make their warnings look like warnings ?
[14:22] <ogra> its confusing to have a stacktrace in a warning
[14:22] <amitk> they do, WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-fsl-imx51-2.6.31/fs/inode.c:699 unlock_new_inode+0x40/0x4c()
[14:22] <ogra> yeah, but attach a stacktrace below
[14:32] <rtg> apw, I'm having a brain fade. How do you get the SHA1 of HEAD for the branch you are on?
[14:32] <apw> git show has it
[14:32] <apw> to get just the raw one there is a command
[14:33] <apw> git show-ref HEAD
[14:34] <apw> hmm not sure that does what you might hope
[14:34] <rtg> apw, ah, thats it.
[14:34] <apw> hmmm no thats not getting the right head
[14:35] <rtg> apw, 'tis for me
[14:35] <apw> whats the second word tho.
[14:35] <apw> on mine its a remote ref
[14:35] <apw> 73aa74e5a55563ac54c161f307f8fc282a8f4e47 refs/remotes/origin/HEAD
[14:36] <rtg> you're right, but its OK in my case.
[14:36] <rtg> I guess you could always 'git log |head -n1 ...'
[14:37] <apw> apw@penfold:~/git2/ubuntu-karmic$ git log --pretty=format:%H HEAD^..HEAD
[14:37] <apw> 3844ea1e7161a8883a1a52b7b176d5f6c29be463
[14:37] <apw> looks to me one way
[15:21] <cking> amitk, ogra, so is this really a squashfs kernel error or not?
[15:21] <ogra> cking, i start to suspect its userspace induced
[15:22] <ogra> i cant loop mount the squashfs anywhere nor can i unsquash
[15:22] <cking> it's not some weird endianess issue?
[15:22] <ogra> we didnt have endianess issues in jaunty
[15:23] <ogra> it was the very same script we used to build images
[15:23] <ogra> just with squashfs-tools 3.0
[15:23] <ogra> or 3.3 or whatever
[15:23] <ogra> while we use 4.0 now
[15:24] <cking> ARM specific or a generic issue?
[15:24] <ogra> works on the ubuntu livecds and i guess also on UNR vfat images
[15:32] <apw> ogra, hrm, so unsquashfs failed too?  at least the kernel isn't going mad
[15:32] <ogra> right, mount fails as well as unsquashfs
[15:33] <ogra> i'm just rebuilding the image on the build servers to see if it was a temporary hiccup or something
[15:33] <ogra> i'll also rebuild one locally
[15:33] <apw> ogra, sensible but a bit scarey
[15:39] <cking> apw, I'm getting audio clicks after ~10 seconds of not using audio on karmic on my HP mini - you referred to this a while ago - do you know what the workaround is?
[15:40] <apw> thats the amps going off, there is new code to do that, power them down to save power
[15:42] <apw> bug #380892 is where it was turned on and lists how to supress it
[15:42] <ubot3> Malone bug 380892 in alsa-driver "[9.10 regression] HDA power_save=10"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380892
[15:42] <rtg> cking, thats the patch I showed you while in Dublin
[15:43] <cking> rtg, of course, that's the one - I'm kind of fuzzy headed at the moment - I'm pain killer'd out and had a tooth worked on earlier today ;-)
[15:44] <rtg> cking, dude - you should be napping :)
[15:45] <cking> maybe in a couple of hours :-)
[15:45] <cking> anyhow, the pain in the mouth has gone so that's a result!
[15:48] <apw> cking, heh ... its funny how good one feels when a pain you had is gone
[15:49] <apw> of course in your case the pop is thought to be a known issue with your specific lappy, so we don't want to fix it generally
[15:50] <cking> I think there could be a work around by tweaking the EAPD pin and waiting 250ms.. hrmm..
[15:53] <rtg> ogra, new crack in the Karmic Dove branch, rebased against -rc5
[15:54] <ogra> cool
[15:54] <ogra> i'll update my local stuff soon then
[16:11] <apw> cking, ? i thought we always did that (the turn offy wait thing)
[16:15] <cking> apw, not sure for karmic.
[16:15]  * cking goes and has a peep
[16:15] <apw> i think i've missunderstood, i though the EAPD thing was a std and supported ... clearly not
[16:16]  * cking does some vague handywavy statement : possibly, it depends.
[16:16]  * apw adds cking to ubuntu-audio, *whistles*
[16:16] <cking> no - taint me not
[16:17] <apw> toooooo late
[16:17] <cking> humbug
[16:20] <cking> apw, we probably should add the clicky audio pop power check to those manjo tests
[16:21] <apw> yeah how would one test that i wonder
[16:21] <cking> make a sound, wait 20 seconds, "do you hear a pop?"
[16:22] <apw> heh yeah i guess so
[16:22]  * apw notes that firefox has become a crashy pos today, and i didn't even update it
[16:23] <cking> Must be the flash-tastic sites you're looking at
[16:23] <apw> freshly started no flash
[16:24] <cking> Hrm. I'm now on 3.5.2 - it's been as solid as the previous 3.0.x version
[16:25] <apw> 3.0.13, and its new behaviour today.  and as far as i know i've not installed any fixes
[16:26] <cking> if only one had "apt-unget  yesterday"
[16:56] <manjo> carefully applying all the audio patches that dtchen suggested did not fix sound on xps1300
[16:56] <manjo> 1330
[16:57] <ogra> probably be less careful ?
[17:03]  * manjo plugs ogra's babbage 2.5 board into the network and watches it die
[17:04] <ogra> :P
[17:28] <cking> apw, what's the story behind the broadcom b43 driver on Karmic - where can I peek at the driver?
[17:29] <apw> cking, hrm which one is that.  there are so many broadcom ones
[17:29] <apw> is that the one which drives BCM43xx devices?
[17:29] <apw> the one on the mini for instance?
[17:30] <cking> That's what I'm confused about. I've just installed karmic in a HP mini 1000 and it's grumbling at me.
[17:30] <apw> and not working?
[17:30] <apw> there seem to be three options
[17:30] <cking> ..yep - no workies.
[17:30] <apw> there is b43 and b43legacy in the kernel
[17:30] <cking> 3 options(!)
[17:31] <apw> plus there is bcmwl-kernel-source which is a dkms thingy which carries some binary blob
[17:31] <apw> that is the one which works on my mini10
[17:31] <apw> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)
[17:32] <cking> how does one get the bcmwl-kernel-source installed?
[17:33] <apw> i installed it by hand using apt-get i think
[17:33] <cking> bit tricky w/o a network connecton
[17:33] <apw> i think that was sufficient, reboot required i think
[17:33] <apw> i used an ethernet cable to install it
[17:33] <cking> that don't work either. This is a tad regression bound at the mo
[17:33] <apw> a usb stick for someone at sprint
[17:34] <apw> i just got the .deb from the pool and shoved it on
[17:34] <cking> OK. That's a cunning plan
[17:34]  * apw looks up cunning ... hmmm
[17:38]  * cking wonders how the average punter is gonna handle this
[17:42] <zul_> has anyone seen this before?
[17:42] <zul_> /usr/bin/ld.real: kernel image bigger than KERNEL_IMAGE_SIZE
[17:44] <apw> zul_, not seen that no
[17:44] <apw> cking, they arn't
[17:45] <apw> thats why oem ship their own installs
[17:45] <apw> cking, so any idea what an ssb id is ?
[17:45] <cking> what's the context?
[17:46] <apw> the b43 driver is using ssb ids for matching not pci vendory things as normal
[17:46] <apw> looks to be some kind of bridgey thing
[17:47] <cking> yeah "b43: probe of ssb0:0 failed with error -95"...
[17:47] <apw> is that from the default kernel modules?
[17:47] <cking> yep. use the source luke
[17:47] <apw> now i am lost as i don't have an lsssb -nnvv to get them
[17:50]  * apw is using the source and getting moany :)
[17:50] <apw> cking, i wonder if lbm would help here, as it has wireless more up to date in it
[17:51] <cking> maybe
[17:51] <apw> that might be worth a go
[17:51] <cking> urgh.. running out of time..
[17:51]  * apw looks at the lbm to see what it has in it
[19:19] <krgn> hey all
[19:20] <krgn> I have the following scenario: I have a vanilla source tree but use the debian/ dir from karmic git
[19:20] <krgn> actually I get this error too with jaunty
[19:21] <krgn> but when I execute debian/rules binary-generic or binary-arch it just tells me that binary-generic isn't defined
[19:21] <krgn> make: *** No rule to make target `binary-generic', needed by `binary-debs'.  Stop.


[09:15] <duflu_> Ugg. Another problem that apparently can't be solved without measuring time intervals
[09:16] <duflu_> I hate those
[10:07] <duflu> To the cookery
[10:07] <duflu> Verb or noun, either way
[15:25]  * alan_g wonders why running all the tests at once causes a consistent failure in the one he's hacking. But repeated solo runs don't cause trouble
[15:28] <kdub> which test?
[15:28] <kdub> alan_g,
[15:41] <alan_g> kdub: MirSurfaceVisibilityEvent
[15:44]  * kdub doesnt know much about that one
[15:49] <alan_g> kdub: knows even less about my changes to it
[16:59] <alan_g> alf: I'm trying to track down a race condition. What I need is a sync point where the DisplayBufferCompositor objects have been created - is it safe to add a barrier in MultiThreadedCompositor::start() so that it only returns once the compositing threads have completed initialization?
[17:03] <alf> alan_g: It should be safe
[17:04] <alf> alan_g: I guess it depends on what point you consider the compositing threads to have completed initialization
[17:05] <alan_g> after the call to report->added_display()
[17:10] <alf> alan_g: well, assuming that the code in the compositing thread until that point doesn't interact with the compositor in ways that can cause a deadlock, which is a perfectly reasonable expectation, it should be OK.
[17:11]  * alan_g is trying it
[17:14] <alf> alan_g: However, it is an added risk, since we can't control what other implementations of the involved will do.
[17:14] <alf> alan_g: Plus the point is arbitrary, e.g., why not after scene->register_compositor ?
[17:15] <alf> alan_g: It depends on what guarantee we want to provide for Compositor::start()
[17:16] <alan_g> alf: actually that's probably better
[17:28]  * alan_g breaks mir_unit_tests.MultiThreadedCompositor.*
[17:46]  * alan_g hates MultiThreadedCompositor anyway
[17:46] <alan_g> The test that is
[17:49] <kdub> yeah,it runs too long
[17:51] <alan_g> And that is because it relies on real time rather than synchronization
[17:51] <alan_g> Hence it is broken
[17:52] <alan_g> I could "fix" my race condition like that too.
[17:54]  * alan_g is no longer sure he broke anything with his changes
[18:16] <dandrader> are there -dbg packages for mir?
[18:44]  * dandrader reads https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Debug_Symbol_Packages
[20:16] <racarr> dandrader: Hi no rush (e.g. next week is fine)
[20:16] <racarr> but would appreciate your feedback on https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/introduce-mir-event-2.0/+merge/242443
[20:16] <racarr> dandrader: I don't know if you've seen notes doc outlining the direction too?
[20:16] <dandrader> racarr, no, I haven't
[20:17] <dandrader> racarr, will take a look at this MP next week. nearing my EOD now
[20:17] <racarr> dandrader: :) Happy weekend
[20:17] <racarr> I will CC you the email with the notes so you have it
[20:17] <dandrader> racarr, thanks :)
[20:17] <dandrader> same to you