[01:07] <daker> godbyk, ping
[01:08] <godbyk> daker: pong
[01:09] <daker> how to add a space between two paragraphs ?
[01:09] <daker> i used \\ but it's not working
[01:10] <daker> also the \linebreak[2] is not working
[01:12] <godbyk> daker: As just a one-time thing or do you always want space between your paragraphs?
[01:12] <daker> always
[01:12] <daker> the paragraphs are too close
[01:12] <godbyk> Put \setlength{\parskip}{\baselineskip} before your \begin{document}
[01:12] <godbyk> \baselineskip will give you one line of blank space.
[01:13] <godbyk> you can use 2\baselineskip for two lines, etc.  also, 0.5\baselineskip for half a line.
[01:13] <godbyk> (you can use other dimensions, if you prefer.. like 3mm or 0.25in or 12pt)
[01:15] <daker> the default is one line ?
[01:16] <godbyk> the default is no space.
[01:17] <daker> no he add a space
[01:17] <daker> between paragraphs and to the TOC
[01:19] <godbyk> I don't understand.
[01:20] <godbyk> The default space between paragraphs in the article class, for instance, is technically 1 to 2 pt.
[01:21] <daker> it's a book class not article
[01:21] <daker> when i did \setlength{\parskip}{\baselineskip}
[01:22] <daker> a space is added between paragraphs
[01:22] <daker> and between the titles of the toc
[01:24] <godbyk> Ah, yeah, that's true.
[01:24] <godbyk> The \parskip length is used in multiple places for different things.
[01:25] <godbyk> book class has the same spacing as the article class.. 0-1pt.  (not 1-2 like I said before. sorry. misread the code.)
[01:26] <godbyk> try moving your \setlength command to someplace after the \tableofcontents comand.
[01:27] <godbyk> then it should only affect things below that point.
[01:27] <godbyk> (though there are likely to be other undesirable side-effects to globally setting the \parskip length like this.)
[01:33] <daker> last Question
[01:34] <daker> how can reduce the height between the top and the content
[01:37] <godbyk> the top margin?
[01:38] <daker> yep
[01:38] <godbyk> I would use the geometry package.
[01:38] <godbyk> \usepackage[top=0.5in]{geometry}
[01:38] <godbyk> run 'texdoc geometry' to see the manual for it.
[01:38] <godbyk> but you can set the top, bottom, left, and right margins with it (among other things).
[01:38] <daker> i use
[01:38] <daker> \usepackage[paperwidth=150mm, paperheight=200mm,left=15mm,top=15mm,width=120mm, height=160mm,headheight=6mm,headsep=4mm,footskip=10mm,marginparsep=2mm,marginparwidth=13mm]{geometry}
[01:39] <godbyk> yeah, just adjust the top margin from 15 mm to something smaller.
[01:39] <daker> oki
[01:40] <godbyk> What are you working on, if you don't mind my asking?
[01:45] <daker> i dont know what we call that in english
[01:47] <daker> oh ye it's something like a dissertation study
[01:47] <daker> it's for the university
[01:47] <brandonj> thesis
[01:48] <daker> we can call it like that
[01:48] <godbyk> daker: cool
[01:48] <godbyk> Hey, humphreybc-cell
[01:49]  * humphreybc-cell groans
[01:49] <humphreybc-cell> Heya
[01:49] <godbyk> humphreybc-cell: what're you groaning about? :)
[01:49] <humphreybc-cell> So much to do
[01:49] <humphreybc-cell> Not enough time
[01:50] <humphreybc-cell> And I have had a very unproductive week
[01:50] <humphreybc-cell> I see Greek is done
[01:50] <humphreybc-cell> Yay!
[01:51] <godbyk> humphreybc-cell: I hear ya.  There was a big wind storm here, and I didn't have electricity for 3 days.
[01:51] <humphreybc-cell> Haha
[01:51] <godbyk> But yeah, we released the Greek manual.  So feel free to unleash the fanfare.
[01:51] <humphreybc-cell> My except
[01:51] <humphreybc-cell> Blah
[01:51] <humphreybc-cell> Android. ..
[01:52] <godbyk> I blame my phone for my bad typing skills, too. ;-)
[01:52] <humphreybc-cell> My excuse is that I have been dating a girl that I met last weekend
[01:52] <godbyk> (Stupid Swype keyboard nails me all the time.)
[01:52] <godbyk> Ah, congrats.
[01:53] <humphreybc-cell> Haha thanks
[01:53] <godbyk> @%$#@!
[01:53] <godbyk> I hate you so very much, OpenOffice!
[01:53]  * daker is always faithful to his computer
[01:53] <godbyk> The spreadsheet I've been typing numbers into by hand for the past 30 minutes just crashed.
[01:53] <humphreybc-cell> Anyway she's going away skiing this weekend so I should be able to get stuff done
[01:53] <godbyk> And their lame recovery thing did nothing for me.   This weekend I'm going to create a nmerchandisr store =/
[01:55] <zkriesse> bunch of cooks
[01:56] <godbyk> cool
[01:56]  * humphreybc-cell has ginormous fingers and a tiny android keyboard
[01:57] <humphreybc-cell> Yeah it's cool but I feel bad having not done much manual stuff recently
[01:58] <daker> i confirm your feelings
[01:59] <daker> :p
[02:00] <godbyk> I'm gonna zone out and watch a movie.  Should I go with The Road, Alice and Wonderland, or Shutter Island?
[02:00] <daker> shutter Island
[02:00] <daker> crasy movie
[02:01] <godbyk> okay. shutter island it is. :)
[10:57] <infosoft_> godbyk: I've reported a bug related to NetworkManager screenshot.
[11:26] <jenkins> infosoft: can you please explain what is wrong with the network manager screenshot?
[11:27] <jenkins> as far as I can tell the only difference is the icons and the "enable wireless" line. The icons don't show on the default theme
[11:28] <infosoft> The screenshot included in manual has option Enable Networking, but NetworkManager now has also option Enable Wireless.
[11:29] <jenkins> infosoft: the enable wireless has always been there I assume who ever took the screenshot did not have a wifi card
[11:29] <infosoft> Oh, ok then
[11:29] <infosoft> Sorry for that
[11:29] <jenkins> I can soon redo it with the wifi line in
[11:30] <jenkins> its nice to see people being observant :)
[11:31] <infosoft> In the image above, the check box next to ``Enable Networking'' is currently selected; you can deselect it to disable all network connections. This may be useful if you need to shut off all wireless communication, such as when in an airplane.
[11:31] <infosoft> That's not true
[11:31] <jenkins> that is wrong
[11:31] <infosoft> If you uncheck Enable networking, you disable wired connections
[11:31] <jenkins> yep who ever wrote it got it wrong
[11:33] <infosoft> Needs updating :) When is lucid-e2 freeze (editing freeze) deadline?
[11:33] <jenkins> no idea :(
[11:33] <jenkins> I will attach a new screenshot later
[11:34] <infosoft> For some reasons I thought deadline is 29th of this month.
[11:35] <infosoft> *think
[11:35] <jenkins> that rings a bell but it thought it was last month
[11:36] <infosoft> It's hard to translate when we don't know how much updates there will be :)
[11:41] <infosoft> However it's good that I can instead of translating wrong entries just to add modified translations with these bugs fixed.
[11:47] <jenkins> yep the translators do fix lots of bugs as they translate, alot of them are spotted because of that
[11:47] <jenkins> dutchie: can we update the lucid-e2 template?
[11:47] <jenkins> especially as that is now the translation focus
[11:48] <dutchie> er
[11:52] <dutchie> bloody hell, po4a
[11:53] <dutchie> jenkins: can you see if the following command works for you?
[11:53] <dutchie> po4a -v --no-translations --copyright-holder "The Ubuntu Manual Team" --package-name ubuntu-manual --package-version `bzr revno` po4a.conf
[11:53] <jenkins> just going to pull and then I will try it
[11:54] <jenkins> po4a: Couldn't determine the input document's charset. Please specify it on the command line.
[11:54] <jenkins>  (non-ASCII char at ./default-apps/browsingtheweb.tex  :238)
[11:55] <jenkins> not a clue what charater that is that line looks fine to me
[11:58] <dutchie> stick a "-MUTF-8" in
[12:00] <jenkins> it appears to be working, I have just thought does godbyk want to get the layout sported before the translators start work? So it is less work to release this edition
[12:07] <jenkins> dutchie: before i do it should I pull the latest po files from launchpad as well?
[12:08] <dutchie> yes
[12:08] <jenkins> woops I will have to do it all again
[12:36] <jenkins> right lets try again
[12:38] <jenkins> dutchie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/467950/ what have I done wrong?
[12:39] <jenkins> I have been called away be back in a bit
[12:39] <dutchie> nothing
[12:39] <dutchie> i don't know what's causing that
[13:06] <jenkins> dutchie: I guess you are getting an error as well
[13:07] <dutchie> the same one
[13:07] <jenkins> hmm
[13:09] <jenkins> dutchie: I am going to ask in #po4a on irc.oftc.net
[13:09] <dutchie> already there :)
[13:10] <jenkins> o there are loads of people
[13:10] <dutchie> two of them are the same :)
[13:10] <dutchie> and one is a bot
[13:10] <jenkins> lol
[13:11] <jenkins> and ones me and the other is you so there are 2 people who might be able to answer us
[13:12] <jenkins> happy birthday for tomorrow dutchie
[13:12] <dutchie> thanks
[13:19] <jenkins> I have to go now should be back later, dutchie please let me know if you fix it
[13:19] <jenkins> bye
[15:16] <daker> !nowplaying
[15:17] <daker> ouups
[15:17] <infosoft> daker: wtf???
[15:17] <daker> nothing :D
[15:17] <nisshh> lol
[15:18] <infosoft> !now_sitting
[15:18] <daker> Xchat plugin
[15:18] <daker> \o/
[15:18] <daker> stupid plugin
[15:19] <infosoft> I miss Konversation. After finishing translating manual I'll be glad to delete Ubuntu :D (I prefer Arch Linux + KDE)
[15:25] <daker> i don't use KDE :)
[15:25] <daker> i love Gnome & Gnome loves me
[15:26]  * nisshh is loving gentoo + fluxbox!
[15:26] <nisshh> fast as hell!
[15:31] <infosoft> Fluxbox is nice too. I like e17, but it's still beta (or alpha) version.
[15:32] <nisshh> infosoft: if you install gentoo properly (compile everything yourself, not use any binaries) its extremely fast :)
[15:33] <nisshh> for comparison
[15:33] <nisshh> on ubuntu i can start firefox in about 6-10 seconds
[15:33] <nisshh> in gentoo i can start it in about 2-3
[15:33] <infosoft> Compiling takes lots of time, but I don't have time :D I know about the speed.
[15:34] <nisshh> infosoft: yea, but the compiling is worth it for the speed gain
[15:34] <nisshh> infosoft: while compiling everything i just chrooted from ubuntu, so i can multitask
[15:35] <infosoft> I still prefer Arch Linux. Not too geeky, not too user friendly :)
[15:36] <nisshh> yea
[15:38] <infosoft> Sometimes I need to connect projector, so I'm afraid that it may not work if I'd use environment without administration centre like KDE has. I tried Gnome + Arch. It was fast, but I wasn't able to listen music via USB speakers (while it worked perfectly while using KDE).
[15:39] <nisshh> right
[15:39] <nisshh> gentoo has everything i need, except flash and java are a serious problem to try and install
[15:42] <thorwil> i used gentoo for quite a while, then i found stuff would break to often, costing me precious time to fix it
[15:43] <infosoft> For working in office or somewhere else I'd choose Fedora (not Ubuntu, not Mint, not openSUSE). It's quite adorable, because it requires some knowledge + no need to compile packages (if you need to do tasks while on hurry). Arch is quite stable (sometimes more stable than Ubuntu) :)
[15:43] <nisshh> thorwil: hmmm, hasnt for me yet, but then again iv only been using it for 2 weeks or so
[15:48] <flan> Anyone else following the discussion on bug #1?
[15:48] <flan> (Though I suppose it doesn't matter 'cause most of you are probably also subscribed to omgubuntu)
[15:49]  * flan is a Debian loyalist.
[15:50]  * flan used to be active with Arch, and still uses Gentoo for testing stuff.
[15:50] <popey> i can't believe people still post to bug 1
[15:50] <nisshh> flan: what about bug #1?
[15:50] <popey> nobody says _anything_ new on that bug report
[15:50] <nisshh> popey: i think i might have
[15:51] <nisshh> i a long time ago
[15:52] <thorwil> popey: there are too many comments on that bug, so people don't read what's there already, as they only have enough time to add their own oh-so important *fresh* insight!
[15:52] <popey> indeed
[15:52] <nisshh> agreed
[15:52] <popey> LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME I'M TALKING NOW!
[15:53] <nisshh> i believe this is the first of popey's rants that iv witnessed :)
[15:53] <popey> hah
[15:54] <flan> Well, yes, that's exactly what its discussion has become.
[15:54] <flan> I'm not saying it's worth following (I just do it 'cause it's amusing).
[15:54]  * nisshh goes and has a look at the comments on bug #1
[15:55] <flan> But there was a link to an omgubuntu page with a Dell ad for Netbook Remix 9.10.
[15:55] <thorwil> that's also what happened with the wm button "discussion". i guess the whole internet would shrink to a fraction if all that duplication would get thrown out
[15:55] <flan> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/best-advert-for-ubuntu-you-probably.html
[15:55] <flan> WM button?
[15:56] <nisshh> thorwil: exactly, i dont get why that was such a big deal, it was a very trivial change
[15:56] <thorwil> flan: the omg! they are on the wrong side, in the wrong order thing
[15:56] <flan> Oh, that.
[15:56] <nisshh> flan i saw that earier today, its good ad :)
[15:57] <flan> My only qualm with the buttons is that the ^ and v shapes are less intuitive than the old box form or Apple's +/-.
[15:57] <flan> I keep my panels on the top and right sides of my display. ^ kinda suggests that the window will be iconified and v suggests it'll be zoomed.
[15:58] <flan> (Relative to my layout)
[15:59] <thorwil> flan: i had no problem getting used to the on the left, but i still mix up min/max sometimes. guess i have to patch my theme there
[15:59] <flan> Ah. So I'm not alone.
[15:59] <flan> Also, double-click-to-roll should be the default.
[15:59] <flan> There's already a button for zooming.
[16:00] <flan> And a button for always-on-top would be nice, since that one little thing could be a significant productivity plug over other OS's default (only) interfaces.
[16:00] <flan> OSes'?
[16:01] <flan> How does one pluralize and make OS possessive?
[16:01] <thorwil> OSen's
[16:01] <flan> Works for me.
[16:04] <infosoft> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6lvZkv7hUI&feature=player_embedded  :D
[16:07] <infosoft> Talking cat (for those who are bored to translate something :) ): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94WcWy67Kfw&feature=player_embedded
[16:13] <daker> anyone using Radiotray/Xchat ?
[16:13] <nisshh> nope
[16:13] <nisshh> irssi for me
[16:14] <daker> i wrote a small plugin for xchat that display radiotray song
[16:14] <daker> something like this
[16:14]  * daker is listening to Professor Green ft. Lily Allen - Just be good to green
[16:14] <nisshh> cool
[16:52] <daker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/468045/
[18:26] <jenkins> dutchie: did you solve the po4a bug?
[18:42] <dutchie> jenkins: no
[18:42] <jenkins> dutchie: :(
[18:42] <jenkins> any luck in #po4a?
[18:43] <dutchie> nothing
[18:44] <dutchie> all that happened while you had left the room is dpm joined then left again
[18:44] <jenkins> o right thats good :P
[18:48] <jenkins> godbyk: do we have the command \textfeild in the manual? building lucid-e2 is erroring on it. I can't recall what we use instead
[18:50] <jenkins> people are not building before pushing bug fixes :(
[18:51] <godbyk> jenkins: yeah, \textfield (spelled correctly). :)
[18:52] <jenkins> godbyk: yea just worked out it was spelt wrong
[18:52] <jenkins> fixed the build errors now
[18:53] <jenkins> godbyk: did you want to get lucid-e2 layout right before we updated the translations?
[18:53] <jenkins> dutchie: I have a different error now
[18:54] <godbyk> jenkins: once we're done fixing bugs, I'll probably go through and make sure the margin notes and other things are placed okay.
[18:54] <jenkins> godbyk: thats what i thought my only concern is we have it as the translation focus and it is way out of date
[18:55] <jenkins> dutchie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/468113/
[18:56] <godbyk> why is it translation focus?  lucid-e1 should still be the translation focus, I think.
[18:56] <godbyk> (e2 isn't in writing freeze yet)
[18:56] <jenkins> I know ben set it a week ago.
[18:57] <jenkins> and we have people translating it
[18:57] <infosoft> godbyk: When will there be lucid-e2 writing freeze? P.S. Section about NetworkManager needs to be rewritten.
[18:57] <jenkins> infosoft: I added to the bug
[18:57] <jenkins> *it
[18:57] <godbyk> infosoft: I don't know. The only date that I'm aware of is that it's to be released 29 July.
[18:58] <godbyk> But even that was just an arbitrary date that was set eons ago.
[19:04] <daker> godbyk, HELP!!
[19:04] <infosoft> daker: Call 911
[19:05] <godbyk> heh
[19:05] <godbyk> what's up, daker?
[19:05] <daker> ! I can't write on file `main.pdf'.
[19:05] <daker> (Press Enter to retry, or Control-D to exit; default file extension is `.pdf')
[19:07] <daker> by runing $ fmtutil --all the first time it solved the problem
[19:07] <daker> but now it doesn't solve anything
[19:11] <dutchie> jenkins: put "% po4a: environment fullwidth" before the offending line
[19:11] <godbyk> I've seen that error in this channel before, but don't know how we solved it.
[19:11] <godbyk> I think we wiped out the whole directory and checked it out from scratch or something.
[19:12] <daker> ah i'll try
[19:12] <godbyk> dutchie: yeah, there may be more commands and environments that we need to tell po4a about.
[19:13] <godbyk> also, I need to pull in some code from the lucid-e1 branch to bring the e2 branch up to speed (wrt translation stuff).
[19:13] <jenkins> dutchie: that fixes it, I fixed the other bug by running make on the manual
[19:14] <godbyk> oh, and I need to update the e2 makefile, I guess. :-)
[19:14] <dutchie> godbyk: as long as it's not complaining, we're fine
[19:15] <dutchie> jenkins: oh, of course
[19:16]  * dutchie notes that down
[19:16] <dutchie> godbyk: have I asked before for a translations target?
[19:16] <godbyk> dutchie: I don't recall.  What do you want 'make translations' to do?
[19:17] <dutchie>  po4a -v --no-translations --copyright-holder "The Ubuntu Manual Team" --package-name ubuntu-manual --package-version `bzr revno` po4a.conf
[19:17] <jenkins> shall we set the translation focus to back to lucid-e1
[19:17] <dutchie> godbyk: that, but have the manual built first
[19:17] <dutchie> otherwise it dies
[19:17] <jenkins> dutchie: should it not be po4a -v -MUTF-8 --no-translations --copyright-holder "The Ubuntu Manual Team" --package-name ubuntu-manual --package-version `bzr revno` po4a.conf
[19:17] <dutchie> oh yes
[19:17] <dutchie> probably need that in there too
[19:17] <dutchie> i hate unicode
[19:18] <infosoft> dutchie: UTF8 is one of the best things in my life :)
[19:19] <infosoft> You shouldn't... hate it :|
[19:20] <dutchie> it's a real pain to deal with
[19:21] <dutchie> i don't really hate unicode, i hate the fact that there are multiple encodings and you have to deal with that
[19:22] <infosoft> It's a lot better than ASCII. Multiple unicode encodings? Do you mean UTF8 and UTF16?
[19:22] <dutchie> multiple encodings at all
[19:22] <dutchie> iso-8859-x, ascii, ebcdic, utf-8, utf-16
[19:22] <dutchie> can't we just all agree to use one and not care about it?
[19:23] <godbyk> that's what unicode is all about. :)
[19:23] <infosoft> I agree with that. UTF8 is the best :D
[19:23] <dutchie> but not everyone uses it yet, so there are headaches
[19:23] <dutchie> like the -MUTF-8
[19:24] <infosoft> There are headaches when someone uses UTF8 with BOM (especially in programming; because of BOM some applications doesn't work)
[19:24] <dutchie> every time i've written a program that has to deal with unicode, it's been a pain
[19:26] <infosoft> BOM is the source of all bad things.
[19:45] <jenkins> unless anyone objects in the next 15 minutes I will change the translation focus back to lucid-e1, it seams silly to have people trying to do stuff that will change
[19:46] <jenkins> dutchie: how do I go about updating lanchpad with the new po files?
[19:46] <dutchie> just commit & push
[19:47] <dutchie> it should be set up right to auto-import
[19:47] <jenkins> I thought it was on manual import as auto import messed things up
[19:48] <dutchie> dunno
[19:48] <dutchie> don't remember
[19:48] <jenkins> any idea what i do to make it import?
[19:49] <jenkins> it appears to be on auto import going on https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+imports
[19:58] <jenkins> two minutes time translations back to lucid-e1
[20:01] <jenkins> changed the focus to lucid-e1
[20:03] <jenkins> why on lucid-e1 is greek got 1390 untranslated strings? and german is not complete
[20:03] <jenkins> neither is english ul
[20:03] <jenkins> *uk
[20:04] <jenkins> launchpad is bad :(
[20:05] <daker> Lauchpad is the Best Open source app
[20:06] <jenkins> dutchie/ godbyk go to https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+imports?start=0&batch=50 and look there are loads of imports that need review now. there were not a minute ago
[20:06] <godbyk> jenkins: you better not have done anything to piss off the translators.. :-)
[20:07] <jenkins> I hope not, I am trying not to I have been palying with lucid-e2 and changed the focus (which made sense)
[20:08] <jenkins> whos an admin for the manual team?
[20:08] <godbyk> launchpad's translation stuff is all mysterious and scary.
[20:08] <zkriesse> jenkins: probably humphrey
[20:08] <godbyk> I don't understand how it works, how it's *supposed* to work, etc.
[20:08] <godbyk> it just breaks all the time and there seems to be nothing I can do about it.
[20:09] <godbyk> jenkins: I can do some things. What do you need?
[20:09] <jenkins> I agree godbyk I need someone who is an admin to look at the above page ^ and aprove everything to the right place
[20:10] <godbyk> Looks like I can only mark things as Deleted, Needs Review, or Blocked.
[20:10] <jenkins> same
[20:10] <jenkins> dutchie: ^^
[20:10] <godbyk> I think a *Launchpad* admin had to help us with this last time.
[20:10] <godbyk> Maybe ask in #launchpad for some help?
[20:11] <jenkins> may be I am disliking launchpad and translations
[20:12] <jenkins> godbyk: both you and i are not admins but josh is
[20:12] <jenkins> he should be able to do it
[20:12] <godbyk> jenkins: ah.
[20:14] <godbyk> jenkins: We should have them make us admins so we can break things, too. :-)
[20:14] <jenkins> well only ben can make admins as he is the project owner
[20:14] <dutchie> hmmm
[20:14] <godbyk> dutchie: fix it!  :)
[20:15] <jenkins> dutchie: lanuchpad broke it :)
[20:15] <dutchie> i can only do deleted, needs review and blocked too
[20:15] <dutchie> can someone else go and ask in #launchpad? i'm trying to create a virtual transport business in simutrans ;)
[20:17]  * jenkins asks
[20:24] <jenkins> what other places can we use for translations? I don't like launchpad
[20:28] <daker> transifex ?
[20:30] <dutchie> the "write our own" idea has appeared once or twice
[20:35] <jenkins> do other projects have problems with translations in launchpad? or are we using it wrong?
[20:35] <infosoft> There isn't much time left until Ubuntu 10.10 release. Will we be able to prepare lucid-e2? :)
[20:36] <jenkins> lucid is an lts so i guess we will release it later like canonical do with a new disk with all the updates
[21:17] <c7p> what happened with the bug contest ?
[21:26] <godbyk> not sure.  you'd have to ask humphreybc.
[21:26] <c7p> ok
[21:27] <c7p> btw i have to say that the Greek community is very excited about the manual and thanks all of it's contributors
[21:28] <godbyk> cool. glad to hear it!
[21:29] <c7p> godbyk what will we do with the mail notification ?
[21:30] <godbyk> well, I can send out the email if you want to write something.
[21:31] <c7p> ok i can right a small text
[21:32] <c7p> will it be sth like Dear reader, etcc
[21:33] <c7p> or Dear $name, $name=variable for name ?
[22:07] <c7p> godbyk: ping
[22:09] <godbyk> c7p: pong
[22:10] <c7p> can i write in the message our ML's address so if someone wants to contribute to the project send a mail there ?
[22:10] <jenkins> godbyk: / dutchie can you take up the problem with https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+imports?start=0&batch=50 as I don't think I will have much time in the next few days
[22:11] <godbyk> c7p: Sure!
[22:12] <godbyk> jenkins: I think the last time I talked to the launchpad guys they had to do something, but I don't recall what.
[22:12] <dutchie> jenkins: did you get a reply from #launchpad?
[22:12] <jenkins> nope I did not get a reply
[22:12] <dutchie> irc is so reliable and efficient :)
[22:13] <jenkins> lol, not sure how long i was on I am so busy at  the moment
[22:14] <c7p> do you have to be subscribed to ML so you can send a mail to it or not ?
[22:14] <dutchie> it ends up in the moderation queue if you're not subscribed
[22:15] <c7p> which means ?
[22:16] <dutchie> it will end up being sent
[22:16] <jenkins> one of the moderators has to aprove it first
[22:16] <c7p> ok cool then thx
[22:28] <c7p> godbyk: i send you the prototype mail, you can send it to dear readers :P
[22:56] <godbyk> c7p: yep!
[22:56] <c7p> nice
[23:10] <godbyk> c7p: What should the subject line be?
[23:11] <c7p> Το εγχειρίδιο "Ξεκινώντας με το Ubuntu 10.04" είναι πλέον διαθέσιμο
[23:11] <c7p> is it to long ?
[23:14] <godbyk> works for me
[23:17] <c7p> ok
[23:28] <godbyk> c7p: I've sent the email.
[23:28] <godbyk> We'll see what happens. :)
[23:28] <c7p> great job
[23:29] <c7p> it works
[23:30] <c7p> a friend of mine received the mail
[23:30] <godbyk> Good!
[23:32] <daker> debian's website is really VERY POOR
[23:50] <c7p> night all
[23:51] <daker> good night c7p
[23:52] <c7p> ty


[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #128982 in launchpad "HTTP PUT on launchpadlibrarian.net for existing URL is broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128982
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #129018 in launchpad "No package linux-source-2.6.18 in Debian" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129018
[01:28] <mdke> there is still no way to download all translations for a source package with multiple templates, right?
[01:42] <AlexC_> Hey guys,
[01:42] <AlexC_> still on my quest to get translations working properly! I need something like this: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+lang/en_GB
[01:43] <AlexC_> see how there are different 'programs' you can translate? How can I set that up for my project? I need 1 'category/program' for each Module in my project
[01:45] <mdke> AlexC_: you upload a template for each module against the release series that you want to translate
[01:45] <AlexC_> hum that's what I've done - but they get merged into 1
[01:45] <AlexC_> ah ... I guess that is probably because they had the same filename?
[01:46] <AlexC_> if I name them differently, will they get ... categorized like that?
[01:47] <mdke> yes, each template needs a different name
[01:47] <mdke> I would think
[01:48] <AlexC_> ok, I'll try it now
[02:13] <Hobbsee> uh oh, bzr died on me.
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #129061 in rosetta "Launchpad contradicts itself about translation license" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129061
[03:53] <Hobbsee> yay, an oops
[03:53] <Hobbsee> OOPS-575D1429
[03:53] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/575D1429
[04:02] <mwh> a database time out
[04:05] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:05] <Hobbsee> (repeatable)
[05:02] <Kmos> OOPS-575E1442
[05:02] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/575E1442


[00:02] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[11:27] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[23:36] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.


[00:35] <hallyn> SpamapS: i didn't use to have to be.  but i did try 'jenkins:jenkins-slave jenkins-slave:jenkins' as well
[00:36] <hallyn> SpamapS: but i swear just 'jenkins jenkins-slave' used to work :)
[00:36] <hallyn> anyway i've obviously messed something up in my env
[00:37] <SpamapS> hallyn: no there may be a bug I've seen a few complaints that way
[00:38] <SpamapS> OH, do you have the lastest ensemble? there was a bug for a while where if any formulas were invalid it woudl report some crazy error
[00:44] <hallyn> pretty sure i do.  i'm using it from package, not ppa, though
[00:44] <hallyn>  natty
[00:45] <hallyn> think i just need to do it from my other laptop.  Something in my env is not right here
[00:46] <hallyn> later though.  gnight