[08:30] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[08:48] <schopin> ricotz: I'm working on the arm64 and ppc64el FTBFS for rustc
[08:56] <ricotz> seb128, schopin, good morning
[08:56] <ricotz> schopin, thank you
[08:57] <ricotz> schopin, the prepared cargo package aren't building and failing its tests on all archs for me
[08:59] <schopin> ricotz: Just so we're clear, are you trying to rebuild the cargo packages from liushuyu's PPA?
[08:59] <ricotz> schopin, yes
[08:59] <ricotz> using a proper versioning
[09:01] <ricotz> schopin, https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/mozilla/+sourcepub/14450726/+listing-archive-extra
[09:02] <ricotz> schopin, the minimum rustc version seems to be 1.64 here
[09:05] <schopin> ricotz: your "proper versioning" might have caused the test failures :)
[09:05] <schopin> I mean, it *is* proper versioning.
[09:05] <schopin> But the cargo test suite really doesn't like ~ in its path.
[09:06] <ricotz> that makes sense
[09:08] <schopin> I just built the freshly pulled sources in a local sbuild (with the mozilla-security/rust-updates PPA as extra sources) and it went fine.
[09:09] <ricotz> I am going to wait for the official builds ;)
[09:30] <seb128> ricotz, hey, how are you? had a nice weekend?
[09:33] <ricotz> seb128, hey, too much sports and still some sore muscles :), how are you?
[09:33] <seb128> ricotz, I'm alright, didn't do much during the weekend which is nice sometimes :)
[09:33] <ricotz> I can imagine :)
[09:49] <sil2100> Hello desktoppers! I'm looking at build failures for images today, and I see general desktop images fail-to-build because of the latest changes in pipewire, possibly due to changes of pipewire-pulse recommending pipewire-alsa now
[09:49] <sil2100> And pipewire-alsa seems to Conflicts: with pulseaudio
[09:50] <sil2100> Not sure if that's on the desktop team's radar already?
[09:50] <sil2100> Basically this causes images to fail building per "pipewire-alsa : Conflicts: pulseaudio but 1:16.1+dfsg1-1ubuntu3 is to be installed"
[09:51] <RikMills> sil2100: openstudio talked to vorlon about that a short while ago
[09:51] <sil2100> RikMills: ACK o/ did he mention anything?
[09:52] <seb128> sil2100, hey, where are you checking? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/lunar/ubuntu is green
[09:52] <sil2100> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/lunar/ubuntu-mate/+build/407199
[09:52] <seb128> sil2100, and https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/pending/ is from today
[09:52] <sil2100> Not general desktop, but desktop-ish images
[09:52] <sil2100> And since pipewire is a desktop package, I reached out here ;p
[09:52] <sil2100> (same for Xubuntu)
[09:52] <seb128> I don't know what flavors are doing, maybe check with them?
[09:53] <seb128> but no, it's not something we are working on
[09:53] <seb128> they should install pipewire-alsa if they use pulseaudio
[09:53] <seb128> shouldn't
[09:53] <seb128> sorry
[09:54] <RikMills> sil2100: some discussion here: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2023/01/21/%23ubuntu-release.html#t22:58
[09:55] <sil2100> seb128: okay, thanks o/ (actually indeed didn't check that regular-desktop wasn't also affected ;p but pinging here due to this being a desktop-maintained package felt right!)
[09:55] <sil2100> RikMills: ok, thanks
[09:56] <sil2100> Let's move to -release then
[16:23] <KGB-2> gnome-desktop signed tags cd7602f Jeremy Bicha upstream/43.1 * Upstream version 43.1 * https://deb.li/iUi91
[16:23] <KGB-0> gnome-desktop pristine-tar 865d436 Jeremy Bicha gnome-desktop_43.1.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-desktop_43.1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-desktop_43.1.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3USVE
[16:55] <juliank> jbicha: After today's upgrade, startup notifications stopped working again in gtk3 apps
[16:55] <juliank> not sure what exactly broke it
[16:56] <juliank> probably libgtk-3-0:amd64 (3.24.35-3ubuntu1, 3.24.36-1ubuntu1)
[16:57] <juliank> So again opening gnome-terminal or dconf-editor gives me spinny icon and no appearance in alt+tab
[16:59] <juliank> I guess smcv accidentally dropped the needed patch during the rebase
[19:16] <ricotz> seb128, hi, I think you forgot to push the thunderbird branch for focal, could you do this? use force-overwrite as needed
[19:18] <seb128> ricotz, force pushed, sorry for forgetting before
[19:22] <ricotz> seb128, thx


[00:44] <poolie> hi all
[02:43] <poolie> hi spiv
[02:44] <spiv> Hi poolie
[02:44] <poolie> how are you today?
[02:45] <spiv> The cold is lingering more than I'd like, but basically good.
[02:46] <spiv> My kanban board is gradually having more things move to the right, which is nice, and http://webnumbr.com/bzr-in-progress-bugs and http://webnumbr.com/bzr-active-reviews are both trending in a good direction lately :)
[02:47] <poolie> good
[02:47] <poolie> oh, how did you get webnumbr to work for that?
[02:48] <poolie> i tried but failed because the numbers weren't in spans/divs by themselves
[02:48] <spiv> poolie: evil
[02:48] <spiv> poolie: I hand-hacked the xpath expression
[02:48] <poolie> can xpath pull substrings out of strings?
[02:48] <spiv> Oh, actually I don't think I did for those
[02:49] <spiv> But I did need to use https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bugtarget-portlet-bugfilters-stats as the URl
[02:49] <spiv> Which is also a bit evil...
[02:49] <poolie> ah, that would do nicely
[02:50] <spiv> http://webnumbr.com/bzr-branches-for-ubuntu uses a hand-hacked xpath to get a substring
[02:50] <poolie> ah so you can
[02:50] <poolie> nice
[02:51] <poolie> two things i',m going to do today
[02:51] <poolie> in fact maybe now
[02:51] <spiv> It'd be nicer if webnumber didn't need me to write the xpath myself, but I guess it writes half of it for me, so I could be worse :)
[02:51] <poolie> are to make the kanban script a bit faster
[02:51] <poolie> let it run anonymously
[02:51] <poolie> and then run it from peopel.c.c
[02:51] <poolie> that may be more than two
[02:51] <spiv> Heh, well all of those, whatever the count is, does sound nice.
[02:52] <spiv> In a vaguely related vein, have you seen http://twistedmatrix.com/highscores/?
[02:52] <poolie> i did
[02:52] <poolie> that was neat
[02:52] <poolie> somewhere down my personal-hacking yak list is to fix http keepalive in twisted
[02:52] <poolie> (specifically to try to finish a patch that adds it)
[02:52] <poolie> which will help wrested
[02:52] <poolie> which will help suck stuff out faster
[02:53] <poolie> it's not a strictly necessary depedency
[02:53] <spiv> And might get your name on the highscore list ;)
[03:04] <poolie> maybe on page 4
[03:05] <lifeless> spiv: how easy is it to do those?
[03:05] <lifeless> spiv: I'd like to graph timeout , oops and critical bug counts for lp
[03:06] <lifeless> (on the launchpad-project context)
[03:09] <poolie> lifeless, it's pretty easy if you can hand-hack an xpath expr that will work
[03:09] <spiv> lifeless: webnumbrs?  Login with OpenID, give it a URL, then click on a number on that web page.
[03:09] <poolie> if lp put all numbers into tagged spn
[03:09] <poolie> *spans it would be trivial
[03:10] <spiv> lifeless: mostly it works well, unless the numbers are loaded via js or embedded in a paragraph without a span or something to isolate it.
[03:11] <spiv> lifeless: for critical bug counts you'll probably find https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bugtarget-portlet-bugfilters-stats is a good URL to use :/
[03:12] <spiv> lifeless: I'm not sure how you'd feed it timeout and oops numbers, I don't think we publish those publically do we?
[03:13] <lifeless> spiv: I'm not sure if we do either
[03:13] <spiv> lifeless: you could also get the Critical bug count off https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bugs?field.importance=Critical&batch=1 ;)
[03:14] <lifeless> ah, we can do tags that way
[03:14] <spiv> (batch=1 because otherwise when count < 75 I don't think the number is explicit on the page)
[03:15] <poolie> lifeless,  so https://code.launchpad.net/~mbp/bzr-email/242262-mail-deadlock/+merge/4430 is ok with you?
[03:16] <lifeless> poolie: last I tried to merge it it was an old format branch needing an upgrade
[03:16] <poolie> i haven't actually seen that bug for ages but it's be good to flush the inventory
[03:17] <poolie> and i think it's an improvement
[03:17] <poolie> oh, that's what you mean by 'update'; ok
[03:20] <lifeless> poolie: 'upgraded' :P but yes. I think.
[03:20] <lifeless> anyhow the diff does look fine
[03:21] <poolie> ok, it's running now
[03:23] <poolie> spiv, i like the 'like' button
[03:24] <poolie> well
[03:24] <poolie> more just i'm interested that it's there
[03:24] <poolie> on the webnumbr pages
[03:24] <poolie> 'like' is a bit blunt
[03:25] <spiv> poolie: I'd never noticed!  I think I've trained myself mentally filter out facebook cruft.  I guess it "likes" the individual webnumbr, rather than the site in general?
[03:25] <poolie> i think so
[03:25] <poolie> bit blunt meaning: does it imply "i like that spiv set this graph up" or "i like bzr having 50 bugs in progress" or "i like there being only 50 rather than 80" etc
[03:26] <spiv> "I like how the graph resembles \m/"
[03:29] <lifeless> spiv: no, the 1 of 245 results returns 1 as the number
[03:31] <spiv> lifeless: you need to hack the xpath expression :/
[03:31] <spiv> lifeless: see e.g. http://webnumbr.com/bzr-branches-for-ubuntu
[03:31] <spiv> substring-after(..., 'of')
[03:32] <poolie> \m/ ?
[03:32] <spiv> poolie: fist of rock!
[03:33] <poolie> heh :)
[03:33] <lifeless> http://webnumbr.com/launchpad-critical-bugs
[03:33] <spiv> lifeless: that's one heck of an xpath  :)
[03:34] <poolie> lifeless, ok, landed
[03:35] <lifeless> http://webnumbr.com/launchpad-timeout-bugs
[03:37] <lifeless> http://webnumbr.com/launchpad-oops-bugs
[03:37] <spiv> ubot5: nice try
[03:41] <lifeless> spiv: thanks for the help
[04:26] <mwhudson> lifeless: you probably want to dial the frequency down from 1 hour
[04:27] <mwhudson> ... if i remember what this site is like
[04:27]  * mwhudson vanishes
[05:49] <spiv> Heh, I've *finally* trained firefox's url bar to suggest https://code.launchpad.net/bzr/+activereviews over https://code.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+activereviews
[05:56] <poolie> :)
[06:12] <lifeless> \o/
[07:13] <vila> hi all !
[07:14] <poolie> hi vila
[07:14] <spiv> Hey vila
[07:15] <vila> hey hey (hehe) :)
[07:17] <fullermd> yeh yeh?
[07:22] <spiv> Argh!  _pretty_need_write_lock breaks symbol_versioning.deprecated_passed
[07:24] <spiv> Which in turn breaks Repository.search_missing_revision_ids in trunk if you aren't using the fast version of the decorators
[07:28] <vila> breaks how ?
[07:30] <spiv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/718569
[07:30] <spiv> vila: see that bug report
[07:33] <vila> eeeek
[07:33] <spiv> Yup.
[07:40] <spiv> I can think of some workarounds, but they aren't very pretty.  Possibly the best approach is to have a dedicated class for those sorts of sentinels that reprs to its python dotted name.
[07:42] <spiv> i.e. "DEPRECATED_PARAMETER = Constant(__name__, 'DEPRECATED_PARAMETER')" or something
[07:42] <spiv> Or 'IdentitySensitiveConstant' or something...
[07:42] <spiv> Anyway!
[07:43] <spiv> What led me there is that I can now reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/653307 locally, with trunk bzr
[07:44] <vila> poolie: regarding bug #718483 , did you requeue the packages today ?
[08:00] <poolie> vila, yes, i did
[08:00] <poolie> spiv, well that's good
[08:00] <vila> poolie: ha, good to know
[08:01] <vila> poolie: bug updated
[08:14] <poolie> good night vila
[08:14] <vila> poolie: g'night
[08:14] <fullermd> I'll try and keep him in line while you're gone...
[08:21] <vila> hehe
[08:32] <dknight> I want to integrate bazaar into enlightenment file manager. Where can I get suggestions about the integration?
[12:08] <spiv> vila: just proposed a fix for bug 718569
[12:09] <vila> spiv: targeting trunk only ? Does this mean we need trunk for p-i ?
[12:09] <spiv> vila: the triggering change is only on trunk
[12:09] <spiv> vila: it's a lurking issue in all the older releases potentially, but so far it hasn't bitten anyone...
[12:10] <vila> bah, forgive me, was mixing up this bug and the missing chk one
[12:10] <spiv> Possibly because no-one uses DEPRECATED_PARAMETER + deprecated_passed in a needs_{read,write}_lock method until I did it recently.
[12:11] <spiv> Anyway, I think I found a tasteful and robust fix.
[12:11] <vila> spiv: approved
[12:12] <spiv> vila: yay!
[12:12]  * spiv sends it off to pqm and heads to bed
[12:12] <vila> spiv: such fixes should be left un-reviewed before the submitter goes to bed or risk of insomnia are far too high ;)
[12:13] <vila> grr. s//not be left/
[12:14] <spiv> Well, perhaps mutating a value from the formatvalue function is a bit sneaky, but otherwise tasteful... ;)
[12:15]  * spiv finds himself increasingly tempted to make a version of http://twistedmatrix.com/highscores/ for bzr...
[12:18] <Tak> there needs to be a penalty for submitting a bad ticket as well
[14:59] <fullermd> Sure, vila's a little odd sometimes, but that doesn't mean we need to rm him, does it?   :p
[14:59] <vila> tsk
[15:00] <fullermd> In other news, I just found a grumpy-making side effect of using reverse merges to undo changes   :|
[15:01] <jelmer> fullermd, what's that?
[15:02] <fullermd> The path you hand merge serves the double purpose of "branch to merge from" and "subtree of branch to merge".
[15:02] <fullermd> So if you're in a subdir and "bzr merge -r5..4 .", it only reverse merges that subdir, not the whole tree.
[15:03] <vila> meh, the path is just the subdir you want to merge from, the branch is inferred no ?
[15:03] <vila> worth documenting but does it deserve a warning ?
[15:04] <fullermd> Well, we really should have a 'bzr reverse-old-rev' command anyway.
[15:04] <jelmer> fullermd, agreed
[15:05] <fullermd> But this means that using merge of '.' isn't just "slightly confusing and unintuintive idiom", it's also "mildly quietly dangerous <previous>"
[15:06] <fullermd> If I hadn't just made the rev I just tried to reverse, and carefully examined the diff beforehand and noticed the output of 'merge' only listed 1 of the 2 files, I'd have never noticed I didn't actually roll back everything I wanted to  :|
[15:07] <fullermd> And if I came that close to missing it, imagine all the other poor people out there nowhere near as brilliant (not to mention handsome) as myself, and the trouble they can wind up in.
[15:08] <vila> > bash.org
[15:09] <vila> bug 718795
[15:16] <mgz> launchpad launchpad launchpad...
[15:17] <vila> desperate and enthusiast ?
[15:17] <vila> s/and/or/
[15:17] <mgz> why are some bug h1 tags now grey for me when they used to all be red...
[15:17] <vila> ...
[15:17] <vila> O_o
[15:18] <mgz> I'd like it if they just had a changelog posted every time they do something, as it is I always wonder if I'm going mad
[15:20] <vila> Decide you're mad, problem solved
[15:21] <jelmer> vila: can we have a bug status for that?
[15:21] <vila> for being mad ?
[15:21] <vila> or for the reporter being mad ?
[15:22] <jelmer> for the reporter, I don't see the value in telling the rest of the world *I'm* mad
[15:23] <fullermd> We're all mad here.  I'm mad.  You're mad.
[15:23] <vila> . o O (Didn't he just said he was seeing no value in telling that ?)
[15:24] <mgz> it's just some of us are madder than others.
[15:24] <vila> Time for a tea ? Where is Alice ?
[15:24] <fullermd> Well, if there's no value in it, obviously you'd have to be mad to mention it.
[15:25]  * jelmer thinks coffee is a great idea
[15:26]  * fullermd perks up.
[15:27] <vila> perks up as in perkolate upwards ?
[15:28] <fullermd> Upward, downward, sideways, inward...   pretty much any direction that gets me coffee.
[15:41] <mgz> bug 330590, meet <http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343355>
[20:33] <beuno> jam1, FWIW, LH has a different color scheme on LP than on trunk so people can tell them apart
[20:33] <beuno> that was the directive at the time
[20:34] <jam> beuno: I'll post that to the bug. Can you give any more background? Who gave the directive, etc?
[20:34] <jam> also, if you have any idea how hard it would be to make it toggleable, so that LP could easily change the color scheme, that would be great
[20:35] <beuno> jam, yeah, Mark and Kiko at the time. I was never super convinced it was necessary, but, at the time, LP was still closed, so it may not apply anymore
[20:36] <beuno> jam, well, to do theming properly there is some work to be done, at least to split out the images into a separate "theme" dir, not too much work though, I think
[20:38] <jelmer> Hi Jam
[20:39] <jam> hi jelmer
[21:30] <pindonga> hey, I have a question on bzr-builder, is this the right place to ask?
[21:31] <poolie> pindonga, here's fine
[21:31] <pindonga> I see the dput/key-id option pair. However I wanted to ask about the rationale for requiring the key-id... I want to automate the building of source packages, and since I cannot find a way to automate entering the passphrase for the gpg key (which if possible would in some way defeat the purpose of the passphrase) I was suggested not to sign the package
[21:32] <pindonga> so I wanted to add support for this to bzr-builder
[21:32] <pindonga> this is for the dailydeb command
[21:32] <poolie> ok
[21:32] <poolie> i'm not sure but i would think you should make a key specifically for the daily debs, with no passphrase
[21:33] <pindonga> that was my other approach
[21:33] <pindonga> however, I'm not sure what's best tbg
[21:33] <pindonga> tbh
[21:34] <pindonga> having a key without a passphrase is as unsecure as not having a key
[21:36] <pindonga> poolie, I think bzr-builder should not be strongly opinionated on this one, unless there is a good reason
[21:36] <jam> pindonga: could you set up a gpg agent for your build bot?
[21:36] <jam> and that isn't entirely true
[21:37] <jam> one is having a key locally, that validates something you give to other people
[21:37] <jam> vs, not having a way to secure anything with 3rd parties
[21:37] <pindonga> jam, yes, I was a bit dramatic :)
[21:37] <poolie> i tentatively agree it should not be too opinionated
[21:37] <pindonga> jam, what's the thing with the gpg agent?
[21:37] <poolie> however, the signature does prove it came from a machine with the key vs somewhere else in the world
[21:37] <pindonga> poolie, I'll see if I can provide a branch with the change, and we'll see
[21:38] <jam> pindonga: man gpg-agent
[21:38] <poolie> seeing as there's no human present to stamp the package with "i approve this build" that seems to be as strong as you can get
[21:38] <poolie> if you want to make sure no one breaks into that machine that's really out of scope (though worth doing)
[21:38] <jam> basically, you set up a process that knows the key, for the lifetime of a run
[21:38] <jam> so that if you shutdown, restart, the information is lost
[21:38] <jam> you can also configure it to remember only for a specific time, but default of 1 hour doesn't work well with your "run this every day" idea
[21:38] <jelmer> pindonga: supporting unsigned packages seems reasonable to me
[21:39] <pindonga> jam, actually it's run this every merge, but yes
[21:39] <jelmer> pindonga: although its use is limited, what do you plan to do with the source packages built that way?
[21:40] <pindonga> jelmer, let's say I push them to private ppa's
[21:40] <pindonga> since this use case is for building packages from private branches
[21:40] <pindonga> which are not supported by lp's recipes
[21:40] <jelmer> pindonga: How would the private PPA's authenticate the packages that were uploaded?
[21:40] <pindonga> so it would make sense to push those to private ppa's
[21:41] <pindonga> jelmer, well, for starter's I guess you need the user/pass of the ppa to push something to it?
[21:41] <jelmer> pindonga: The transport isn't authenticated at the moment, the GPG key is used for that at the moment.
[21:42] <pindonga> ok, that's true for launchpad
[21:42] <pindonga> however bzr-builder could be used to build packages for debian, right?
[21:42] <jelmer> pindonga: Debian itself doesn't accept unsigned packages
[21:42] <pindonga> in which case (which is not my use case) it may make sense to push unsigned content to the serrs
[21:43] <pindonga> he,
[21:43] <pindonga> bad utopic use case
[21:43] <jelmer> you could use it for a private repository where you build the source packages and the resulting binary packages yourself
[21:43] <jelmer> but even then I think apt-get/aptitude would warn because the packages weren't signed
[21:43] <pindonga> ok, so the best shot here is to use the gpg-agent?
[21:43] <poolie> i don't see the _harm_ in having them signed by a low-trusted key
[21:44] <beuno> jam, re: bug #718978
[21:44] <pindonga> in order to achieve the equivalent of lp's recipes but for private branche?
[21:44] <poolie> just make a key with no passphrase, and don't let people break into the box
[21:44] <poolie> hello beuno
[21:44] <beuno> jam, AFAIK, loggerhead does work with bzr-search if it's installed
[21:44] <beuno> heya poolie!
[21:44] <jam> beuno: sure. but...
[21:44] <jelmer> pindonga: just create a separate GPG key without a passphrase - there shouldn't be a need for gpg-agent in that case
[21:44] <pindonga> poolie, jelmer jam thanks
[21:44] <jam> beuno: launchpad's pqm version of loggerhead had the search box explicitly disabled
[21:45] <jam> presumably a scalability thing
[21:45] <jam> so this got propogated to trunk and 'experimental'
[21:45] <jam> we'd like to bring it back
[21:45] <beuno> jam, ah, right
[21:45] <jam> as a configurable thing
[21:45] <jelmer> also, g'morning beuno, poolie
[21:45] <beuno> morning(?) jelmer
[21:46] <jelmer> beuno: Sorry!  Afternoon?
[21:46] <beuno> jelmer, well, you're still in .nl, right?  so it's evening for you and afternoon for me  :)
[21:47] <vila> beuno: nope, it's morning in europe, you're jet-lagged again
[21:47]  * beuno blinks
[21:48] <beuno> vila, you confused me there for a second  :)
[21:48] <vila> yes !
[21:48] <jelmer> ha :)
[21:48] <beuno> you guys sprinting and confusing me, aren't you?
[21:49] <vila> not even ;)
[21:49] <jam> beuno: vila's just lying to you
[21:49] <jam> and probably still jetlagged or something
[21:49] <jam> he should certainly be in bed with his lovely gf by now
[21:49] <fullermd> Well, _I_ haven't gotten to bed yet.  I don't think he's allowed until I do.
[21:50] <jelmer> fullermd: You sleep?
[21:50] <vila> fullermd: but poolie is here now !
[21:51] <fullermd> Well, I close my eyse when I tpye sometimes to try and impresonate vila.  That's sorta like slepping.
[21:51] <vila> slapping in your sleep are you ?
[21:52] <vila> me ? noticing tyops ? without making one ?
[21:54] <poolie> hi jelmer
[21:55] <poolie> and vila
[21:55] <vila> beuno: truth is, jam moved to europe and is trying to make you think I'm the one lying
[21:55] <vila> poolie: hey ;)
[21:55] <jam> vila: not for 2 more weeks
[21:56] <vila> jam: ;)
[21:56] <vila> jam: just read your mail, welcome !
[21:58] <poolie> vila, thanks for (it seems) trying to update the doc site and web site
[21:58] <poolie> did you get stuck or are you still doing it?
[21:59] <vila> It still is on my radar but couldn't get to it today
[22:02] <jelmer> hi Noldorin
[22:08] <Noldorin> jelmer, hi there.
[22:13] <Noldorin> what's up? :)
[23:41] <jelmer> spiv, hi
[23:41] <jelmer> spiv, I'm seeing a weird issue with search_missing_revision_ids()
[23:42] <jelmer> spiv: revision_id is now deprecated so it's set to symbol_versioning.DEPRECATED_PARAMETER, but symbol_versioning.deprecated_passed() fails, as it's a different string (with the same contents) that's being passed in
[23:45] <spiv> jelmer: I just landed a fix for that (I hope) in lp:bzr
[23:46] <spiv> jelmer: it's a bug in the "pretty" version of needs_read_lock/needs_write_lock
[23:46] <spiv> jelmer: you can workaround it with bzrlib.decorators.use_fast_decorators()
[23:46] <jelmer> spiv: ah, cool :)
[23:47] <spiv> jelmer: bug 718569
[23:48] <spiv> jelmer: I'm a bit amazed this is the first time we've encountered that bug :)
[23:49] <jelmer> spiv: yes, me too :)
[23:52] <jelmer> spiv: Great, I can confirm your branch works :)
[23:53]  * jelmer now has tarmac working for lp:bzr-gtk


[02:17] <hatch> bac: I think you forgot to lbox again ;)
[02:17] <hatch> or at least forgot the -cr :)
[02:33] <bac> hatch: the -cr is supposed to be built in
[02:34] <bac> hatch: google is waiting for me to authenticate...
[02:35] <bac> hatch: https://codereview.appspot.com/13772043
[02:36] <hatch> ohh  :)
[02:36] <hatch> thanks
[02:47] <bac> thanks for the cursor suggestion jeff
[02:47] <bac> hatch: the mechanics of the export did not change so the problem you saw must have been pre-existing
[02:48] <bac> i'll play with it tomorrow
[02:48] <hatch> bac: ok cool I'll LGTM it then
[02:48] <bac> thx.  can't land it until GP gives the a-ok
[02:49] <hatch> alright - if you don't end up fixing that bug could you create a proper ticket for it in the am?
[02:49] <hatch> I haven't done any of the export stuff yet
[02:49] <bac> yep
[02:50] <hatch> awesome
[11:35]  * gary_poster is getting 0.10.0 on jujucharms.com
[11:40] <rick_h_> woot
[11:55] <gary_poster> jujucharms.com has 0.10.0.  /me will tweet and G+ about it now.  well, after a quick breakfast.
[12:33] <bac> jujugui: has anyone started a "Guide to Daily QA"?  i know we dismissed the idea of a script but perhaps something would be helpful.  if not, i will today.
[12:34] <benji> Step 1: don't forget to do QA until bac mentions it the next day
[12:35] <gary_poster> :-P
[12:35] <bac> doh
[12:43] <bac> benji: luckily it isn't like OCR where your forgetfulness means i have a bigger backlog.
[12:43] <benji> true; in fact it means there is one more low-hanging bug for you; go teamwork!
[12:44] <bac> perhaps if someone forgets they should take the next shift and that lucky person gets a day off.  :)

[13:52] <luca__> rick_h_: I just shared the orange triangle with you because I noticed it was missing
[13:54] <rick_h_> luca__: cool, yea we didn't have that or the answer of what to do with the charm details UI so we left it out in order to land the search changes
[13:55] <luca__> rick_h_: it will be added to the charm details too :)
[13:55] <rick_h_> luca__: ok, in the corneer? There was some question during sprints
[13:55] <luca__> rick_h_: in the corner, I have a mockup somewhere which I'll share now
[13:55] <rick_h_> luca__: cool, I'm going to be afk for a week after today, but will add a card for it
[13:59] <luca__> rick_h_: how dare you leave your keyboard!
[14:00] <rick_h_> luca__: well I'll bring it with me...but...but...will be avoiding thinking about charm tokens for a bit :)
[14:07] <luca__> rick_h_: sent you the charm details
[14:07] <rick_h_> luca__: thanks, adding to the card
[14:47] <rick_h_> can anyone dupe gustavo's issues with the jujucharms.com site? jujugui
[14:48] <gary_poster> rick_h_, reported where?
[14:48] <rick_h_> and if so can you get any debug info from the console
[14:48] <rick_h_> gary_poster: on the juju mailing list
[14:48] <rick_h_> it got stuck in
[14:48] <benji> rick_h_: I'm having a serious issue renaming a css class.  I'm working on adding bundle tokens and I need to rename the yui3-charmtoken class.  I have changed it everywhere grep can find "charmtoken" but I'm getting test failures.  Thoughts?
[14:48] <rick_h_> "Connecting to the environment...":
[14:48] <rick_h_> benji: hah, that's a bad css class to rename :)
[14:48] <hatch> rick_h_: negative
[14:49] <benji> rick_h_: it appears to work for me for both FF and chrome
[14:49] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ack.  worked for me, and did a before and after when I deployed on Chrome and FF
[14:49] <rick_h_> benji: so that name comes from the yui widget, so that's the name of the widget in the NAME attribute
[14:49] <rick_h_> benji: let me finish my notes for my MP and I can take a peek
[14:49] <benji> k
[14:51] <gary_poster> rick_h_ or hatch could you engage with niemeyer on #juju-dev?
[14:56] <benji> rick_h_: with your hint I got it working.  Thanks!
[14:57] <hatch> rick_h_: reviewing
[14:58] <rick_h_> hatch: working on review notes atm
[14:58] <hatch> ok I'll wait
[14:58] <rick_h_> benji: so still want to chat/check. Should we just be duping the yui3-charmtoken for yui3-bundletoken or sharing
[15:06] <rick_h_> hatch: comments added. Thanks for looking at it
[15:07] <rick_h_> benji: time to chat?
[15:07] <rick_h_> jujugui need a second review and would appreciate double QA on https://codereview.appspot.com/13775044/ please
[15:08] <gary_poster> I will look if noone has claimed it soon.  stepping away for a moment
[15:09] <hatch> is warthogs the proper email to send the docker/redhat news links?
[15:10] <rick_h_> hatch: well there's a current thread in there now. Are you thinking it should have been done elsewhere?
[15:10] <rick_h_> hatch: or are you looking to send the link out?
[15:10] <hatch> oh there is?
[15:10] <hatch> did I miss it
[15:10] <rick_h_> hatch: it's on the cloud list
[15:11] <hatch> can you pm me the link?
[15:11] <hatch> thanks for letting me know :)
[15:12] <benji> rick_h_: sure
[15:13]  * benji wishes the guichat hangout still worked
[15:13] <rick_h_> benji: invite coming
[15:14] <rick_h_> benji: or https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/39bd85321baa8e4541f31b3835d9c7dc7c5ac86b?hl=en
[15:15] <hatch> rick_h_: I'm a little concerned about this branch, let me know wen you're done with benji and I'll pop in this hangout and you can soothe my fears :)
[15:15] <rick_h_> hatch: rgr
[15:29] <gary_poster> rick_h_, you still need a second review?
[15:29] <bac> jujugui: anyone see this error when using '--to=' on a juju deploy?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6128735/
[15:29] <bac> i thought --series was supposed to solve it
[15:30] <gary_poster> h'ain't done that myself
[15:31] <rick_h_> gary_poster: yes, pelease
[15:31] <gary_poster> ok on it rick_h_
[15:32] <rick_h_> bac: not seein it either
[15:32] <rick_h_> hatch: ready to chat then?
[15:32] <rick_h_> let me find my coffee
[15:32] <hatch> oh I am so ronrey
[15:32] <rick_h_> ronrey?
[15:32] <hatch> rick_h_: I'm in the above hangout
[15:32] <rick_h_> onery?
[15:32] <hatch> lol
[15:33] <hatch> oh I am so ronrey, i am so ronrey, i ain't got no body, no body but me
[15:38] <hatch> oh rick_h_ I found this this morning http://store.steampowered.com/app/226960/ looks like a pretty good game, and supports Ubuntu
[15:41] <rick_h_> hatch: hah
[15:41] <hatch> not a fan of tactics games?
[15:42] <rick_h_> hatch: more lol at the "Civil war with machines!"
[15:42] <hatch> lol yeah I laughed
[15:42] <hatch> I'm also a fan that it says 'no microtransactions' in the description lol
[15:50] <Makyo> jujugui call in 10 kanban now
[15:52] <gary_poster> rick_h_, not yet LGTM: I asked you to review a couple of changes you made.  I think you'll see that they point to a bit more work needing to happen.  Hopefully not too much.
[15:52] <rick_h_> gary_poster: rgr, looking
[15:56] <Makyo> evilnickveitch, Meant to ping you yesterday, sorry for the delay; I have a docs branch up for review for managing juju with the gui: https://code.launchpad.net/~makyo/juju-core/gui-docs/+merge/186088 And the screenshots actually match the GUI now :)
[15:57] <evilnickveitch> Makyo, hey! Yeah, I saw your branch, looks nice - hoping to get round to it today or early tomorrow :)
[15:57] <Makyo> evilnickveitch, Cheers, thanks!
[15:58] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 2
[16:08] <luca__> gary_poster: is coming soon down?
[16:08] <rick_h_> luca__: working here
[16:08] <gary_poster> luca__, no, wfm
[16:20] <luca__> gary_poster: rick_h_ my coming soon isn't loading =/
[16:20] <rick_h_> luca__: check the console in the dev tools for an error? I can do a hangout if that would help.
[16:21] <luca__> rick_h_: oh, it just loaded, but it's loading sooooo slow
[16:21] <luca__> rick_h_: I actually think the wifi here is playing up
[16:21] <rick_h_> luca__: sounds like network issues to me :/
[16:21] <luca__> rick_h_: someone else is complaining hehe
[16:21] <rick_h_> thanks Makyo for the links
[16:27] <luca__> hatch: can we have a quick hangout?
[16:27] <hatch> luca__: I'm actually in one right now, when is your eod?
[16:28] <luca__> in 20 mins or so
[16:28] <luca__> hatch: ^
[16:28] <hatch> ok I figure i'll be done before that for sure
[16:28] <luca__> hatch: ok, cool
[16:35] <hatch> luca__: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1628ca7569594f92eec081cf2f95ef52fd9a64e2?hl=en
[16:37] <gary_poster> hey luca__ you available for https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/42b70d1021eeaaf2e105e5754e11385fafe6ebce
[16:37] <gary_poster> ?
[16:37] <luca__> gary_poster: I'm in one with Jeff :)
[16:37] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:45] <hatch> done!
[16:45] <hatch> he's all yours!
[16:46] <Makyo> luca__, time for a super quick chat?  4-5 mins?
[16:46] <hatch> lol
[16:46] <luca__> gary_poster: Makyo are you in the same chat? :D
[16:46] <gary_poster> luca__, we left. :-)
[16:47] <gary_poster> luca__, Makyo you available now?
[16:47] <Makyo> luca__, that was for us, yeah.  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/a51f5f3e698de1adbc9208a01f6bafe4c22264e1
[16:47] <luca__> gary_poster: oh, I've just left hatch
[16:47] <hatch> it wasn't working out
[16:47] <gary_poster> heh
[16:47] <hatch> we decided to go our separate ways
[16:47] <hatch> rick_h_: do you happen to have a juju-core instance up?
[16:47] <gary_poster> Makyo, luca__ I'll leve you to discussion, but call me if you want me
[16:50] <rick_h_> hatch: I can, what's up?
[16:50] <hatch> on jujucharms.com when you relate mysql & wordpress (or any relation for that matter) they are missing the interface and role in the inspector
[16:50] <hatch> I want to make sure that's a fakebackend limitation
[16:50] <hatch> ceph and glance also are missing the info
[16:51] <rick_h_> hatch: ok, give me a few. Lunch is coming out and need to move from laptop to desktop
[16:51] <hatch> so it's either a bug or a fakebackend limitation
[16:51] <hatch> thanks - it would take me forever to get that up because i haven't had a chance to set up my big machine yet
[16:51] <rick_h_> hatch: yep, np
[17:11] <benji> An almost entirely mechanical branch for review: https://codereview.appspot.com/13627053
[17:11] <benji> The non-mechanical parts are spelled out in the review note.
[17:11] <rick_h_> gary_poster: removed the extra landscape bits. Thanks for catching my missing of the ! in those places! https://codereview.appspot.com/13775044
[17:12] <rick_h_> hatch: bringing up the go env now
[17:13] <hatch> thank yaz
[17:19] <rick_h_> hatch: http://uploads.mitechie.com/lp/interface-check.png
[17:19] <rick_h_> hatch: though the self-relations is missing a name in the mysql-ha side
[17:20] <rick_h_> hatch: http://uploads.mitechie.com/lp/check-interface-2.png
[17:21] <hatch> ok thanks I'll file a ticket to this effect
[17:21] <hatch> UX brought it up
[17:21] <rick_h_> hatch: anything else I need to check before I shut it down?
[17:21] <hatch> nope this gives me all I need thanks
[17:21] <rick_h_> coolio
[17:26] <hatch> yesterday I switched to this color scheme....it's pretty nice https://sublime.wbond.net/packages/Tubsted%20Color%20Schemes
[17:27] <hatch> it actually appears to work properly for javascript :)
[17:46] <rick_h_> benji: bac https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1vuRq0P2UVB_WjBCeR-4cyVV86470ief0APVfMkEKRq0/edit so far. If you guys can take a few to read through and let me know if anything sounds crazy
[17:46] <bac> crazy talk
[17:46] <rick_h_> I'm good at it :)
[17:55] <gary_poster> rick_h_, LGTM & QA good
[17:58] <rick_h_> gary_poster: awesome, thanks!
[17:58] <gary_poster> thank you
[18:00] <rick_h_> rakensflyinghigh
[18:00] <benji> rick_h_: I'm back from lunch and am looking at the document
[18:01] <gary_poster> benji I'm starting reviewing https://codereview.appspot.com/13627053/ now fwiw
[18:01] <rick_h_> benji: cool, it's kind of vague, but oh well.   I do not think it means what you think it means.
[18:13] <gary_poster> benji, lgtm, qa good
[18:13] <benji> gary_poster: great, thanks
[18:15] <benji> gary_poster: re. the name: yeah Rick and I tried to come up with something better, but couldn't.  Anything we put bofore "Token" was worse than nothing at all.
[18:15] <gary_poster> heh
[18:15] <hatch> JRToken
[18:15] <hatch> ?
[18:15] <hatch> did you try that?
[18:15] <hatch> sorry
[18:15] <hatch> JRRToken :)
[18:16] <gary_poster> benji, thinking fwiw...DeployableToken...
[18:16] <benji> gary_poster: that's funny, that was exactly what I came up with
[18:16] <gary_poster> benji, great minds etc. ;-)
[18:19]  * hatch still votes for JRRToken
[18:19] <gary_poster> hatch, I just got it, sorry.  yeah, you win. :-)
[18:19] <hatch> lol darn that took FOREVER
[18:20] <hatch> haha
[18:20] <gary_poster> I needed the two Rs, man
[18:20] <hatch> yeah I failed
[18:23] <hatch> lunching
[18:23] <hatch> bbl
[18:36] <gary_poster> Doing my Thursday afternoon schedule rearrangement.  back later in afternoon briefly, and then later in evening.  I have permission to be out tomorrow, so I'll plan to see everybody Monday.  rick_h_ have a great vacation!
[19:13] <benji> bac: let me know when (and if) you're available to work on the bundle token stuff.
[19:13] <bac> benji: ok.
[19:53] <hatch> ugh race conditions are driving me nuts!
[20:00] <hatch> prototype branch of this changeover finished
[20:01] <hatch> ugly as sin though :/
[20:02] <hatch> bcsaller: I have this super horrible race condition that's calling update after the ghost inspector closes
[20:02] <bcsaller> hmm
[20:02] <hatch> I'm wondering if we shouldn't unhook the databinding and then destroy the inspector
[20:02] <hatch> like wait for the databinding to completely detach
[20:02] <hatch> because we call unbind() first
[20:03] <bcsaller> you mean we call bindingEngine.destory but it hasn't taken effect yet?
[20:03] <hatch> but that must be async?
[20:03] <hatch> right
[20:03] <bcsaller> it shouldn't be that I'm aware of
[20:03] <bcsaller> that doesn't even make sense to me
[20:03] <hatch> the serviceinspector is visible, but then the update on the ghost viewlet is called
[20:03] <hatch> which shouldn't even be possible
[20:03] <hatch> right...
[20:03] <bcsaller> unless
[20:03] <hatch> ohh handle.detach() is async?
[20:03] <bcsaller> the time buffering window leaves things in a closure till after
[20:04] <hatch> I think it is
[20:04] <bcsaller> hmm
[20:04] <bcsaller> doesn't make sense to me
[20:05] <hatch> ok glad I'm not nuts
[20:05] <bcsaller> maybe to allow running events to finish, but given that its single threaded that doesn't make sense
[20:05] <hatch> will keep looking
[20:05] <bcsaller> the docs don't say its async
[20:06] <hatch> ohhhh I know
[20:06] <hatch> the deploy callback is setting the config options again and then destroying the inspector
[20:06] <hatch> there must be some lag in there
[20:06] <hatch> it didn't happen before because we were using a different model
[20:07] <hatch> that does make sense....
[20:08] <hatch> oh look at that, new google header
[20:09] <hatch> yup that was a quick fix
[20:09] <hatch> heh
[20:09] <hatch> thanks for being the rubber duck bcsaller
[20:10] <bcsaller> I've been called worse
[20:10] <hatch> rofl
[20:10] <hatch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
[20:10] <bcsaller> yeah, i've seen that with the bear
[20:11] <hatch> a bear?
[20:11] <hatch> intersting
[20:11] <hatch> never seen it with a bear
[20:12] <hatch> I did come across a game who's dev company was 'bugbear' though :D
[20:21] <bac> rick_h_: did you do the canvas zoom control?
[20:21] <bac> or was it ^^^ hatch?
[20:21] <hatch> rick_h_: restyled it
[20:22] <hatch> there was a small glitch with the spriting though I think
[20:23] <bac> what does that mean?  i'm seeing the + go red on hover but not the -.  the most trivial issue we could possibly have but i was just curious.
[20:23] <bac> hatch: ^^
[20:23] <hatch> yeah that's the bug
[20:23] <hatch> there is a ticket
[20:23] <bac> dang!
[20:23] <hatch> is it your QA day?
[20:23] <hatch> ;)
[20:24] <gary_poster> lol
[20:24] <bac> looking at the code i see there is a zoom_p_h class added but i don't see it used in the css or anywhere else
[20:35] <bcsaller> https://codereview.appspot.com/13771047/ needs review, it mostly (but not only) moves code about hence the size
[20:37] <hatch> anyone want to help me QA this branch? :) lp:~hatch/juju-gui/ghost-databind
[20:37] <hatch> it's just the prototype but I want to make sure I didn't miss any functionality
[20:38] <gary_poster> hatch, I'm reviewing bcsaller's branch then will look at yours
[20:38] <hatch> thanks
[20:39] <hatch> man I did something to my python install
[20:39] <gary_poster> hatch https://codereview.appspot.com/13786044 is sweet and fast if you want a quick review/qa.  if not can call out wider
[20:39] <hatch> ImportError: No module named txaws.client.ssl is what happens when I try to run rapi now :/
[20:39] <hatch> sure I'll do it
[20:39] <gary_poster> thanks
[20:41] <hatch> I can't believe people turn off cookies
[20:41] <hatch> that must be irritating
[20:51] <benji> hatch: try "apt-get install python-txzookeeper"
[20:51] <hatch> already installed
[20:52] <hatch> maybe a delete/repull
[20:52] <hatch> because it 'used' to work
[20:53] <bac> while logged into LP, if you look at this page, what does the 'bzr push' line say?  https://code.launchpad.net/juju-gui
[20:53] <hatch> yeah that didn't help
[20:53] <hatch> bac: lp:~hatch/juju-gui/juju-gui
[20:54] <bac> that seems...wrong
[20:54] <hatch> does it?
[20:54] <hatch> I don't think so
[20:54] <bac> you don't think it is wrong?
[20:55] <hatch> well it's saying to push to your own accounts version of it
[20:55] <hatch> not into trunk
[20:55] <hatch> https://code.launchpad.net/~juju-gui/juju-gui/trunk
[20:55] <hatch> that one shows how to push to trunk
[20:57] <bac> yeah, ok, i've never noticed that.  the pull for both is lp:juju-gui
[20:58] <hatch> yeah I'm not sure it's the 'best' option
[21:12] <gary_poster> hey bcsaller, I'm out of time.  I will be back later
[21:12] <gary_poster> if you can get another review great
[21:12] <bcsaller> no worries
[21:12] <gary_poster> if I do it, comments showing when code has been simply moved around and when a line-by-line review is actually pertinent would be helpful
[21:13] <hatch> reviewer notes +1
[22:18] <hatch> yeah I have no idea what's up with rapi
[22:19] <hatch> of course right after I say that
[22:19] <hatch> benji: python-txaws was required
[22:24] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:34] <hatch> mornin huw
[22:36] <huwshimi> comingsoon is broken?
[22:37] <hatch> odd that you aren't the first international person to say that
[22:37] <hatch> oh wait...it really IS broken
[22:37] <hatch> lol
[22:39] <huwshimi> hatch: What did you think they meant? :)
[22:39] <hatch> oh, well it really woudln't load
[22:39] <hatch> :)
[22:39] <hatch> haha
[22:42] <hatch> ugh Chai drives me absolutely bonkers
[23:33] <hatch> turns out this whole time my anger should have been directed at mocha https://github.com/visionmedia/mocha/issues/905
[23:36] <hatch> https://github.com/visionmedia/mocha/issues/903 object order bug


[01:22] <andygraybeal> Unit193, my parents place does
[01:22] <andygraybeal> yea, garter snakes too for my parents
[01:28] <Unit193> Honestly, I prefer those to mice or some other stuff, just seems creepier. :P
[03:40] <Unit193> paultag_: Poke, still alive?
[04:06] <paultag> Unit193: nack, in DC for the week, send an efax, and I'll try and check it out
[04:09] <Unit193> paultag: Dang, was going to try and bump on those two pending uploads, dev just asked me today.


[01:44] <popey> could someone tell me if I have assigned bug 112104 to the right thing? the kernel, or should I put it in acpi-support or some other?
[01:44] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/112104
[02:37] <mjg59> popey: Throttling isn't scaling
[02:37] <mjg59> popey: In general, you don't want throttling, and nowadays many bioses don't implement it
[09:06] <Woodrag> Can't het the sound on my laptop working... I tried just about everything but no result... I am looking for some help here....


[05:39] <jphilips> Unit193: any idea how often debian experimental gets refreshed as libxfce4ui 4.15.2 is 3 months old and 4.15.3 is a month old - https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/libxfce4ui/-/tags
[05:40] <Unit193> https://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/libxfce4ui is the latest version in experimental.
[05:42] <Unit193> As I'm sure you know, packages get packaged by people, so whenever they do it is when it gets done.  There's not much of a focus on 4.15 in Debian right now.
[05:42] <Unit193> Developmental builds, that they are.
[06:18] <jphilips> thanks for the info. presumed there might be some automated packaging that is setup in debian, but guess that's not the case.
[06:19] <Unit193> libxfce4ui and xfce4-panel are the only 4.15 packages to make it in, even.
[21:07] <jphilips> have others seen this before - https://github.com/themix-project/oomox
[21:07] <jphilips> @bluesabre: ^^
[21:30] <ochosi> we had something like this a while ago
[21:30] <ochosi> even shipped it with xubuntu by default
[21:30] <ochosi> but it became rather unmaintainable after a while
[21:30] <ochosi> gtk3 theming changed too rapidly...
[21:41] <jphilips> ochosi: any thoughts of shipping different greybird variants with xubuntu, so people have more options to customize the look, but still keep the overall greybird theme?
[21:42] <ochosi> if someone else wants to do the work, why not
[21:43] <ochosi> in the past we also maintained multiple themes (blackbird, bluebird, albatross) but it all become too much maintenance
[21:43] <jphilips> yep was thinking to ship those
[21:43] <jphilips> there were some other variants on xfce-look, that i thought about as well
[21:43] <jphilips> https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1151106/
[21:43] <jphilips> https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1016027/
[21:44] <jphilips> if you think they are good enough variants
[21:44] <ochosi> from my pov "just shipping" is not enough
[21:45] <ochosi> i would only ship themes that someone in the team maintains
[21:45] <ochosi> or can maintain
[21:45] <jphilips> are there any others in the team who do themes?
[21:45] <ochosi> otherwise you have to point people to xfce-look if they have issues with themes
[21:46] <ochosi> nope, not really, which is why i cut my own work on themes down
[21:46] <ochosi> the focus shifted to coding and fixing bugs
[21:47] <ochosi> greenbird -> greybird-geeko
[21:47] <jphilips> greybird-geeko only changes the blue highlight to green
[21:47] <jphilips> the theme doesn't go beyond that from upstream greybird
[21:49] <ochosi> not sure what greenbird does
[21:50] <ochosi> in any case, i don't have time for theming atm..
[21:51] <jphilips> of course
[21:54] <jphilips> greenbird does make changes to the panel color and window borders, but there is definitely something broken about it - https://imgur.com/VGroHlR.png
[21:55] <ochosi> hah, that means it doesn't support *your* version of gtk3 or something like that
[21:55] <ochosi> so anyway, sounds like it's not a candidate for inclusion..? :)


[15:09] <Guest447> Can someone help me with a configuration. I am trying to do a bond of 2 interfaces but have that bond use the specific MAC address of 1 of the 2 interfaces. Is this possible?
[15:10] <Guest447> more info I am using mode 802.3ad so there is not primary and slave
[15:12] <Guest447> Config so far:
[15:12] <Guest447> network:
[15:12] <Guest447>         version: 2
[15:12] <Guest447>         ethernets:
[15:12] <Guest447>                 main:
[15:12] <Guest447>                         match:
[15:12] <Guest447>                                 name: enp193*
[15:12] <Guest447>         bonds:
[15:12] <Guest447>                 bond0:
[15:12] <Guest447>                         interfaces: [main]
[15:12] <Guest447>                         dhcp4: true
[15:12] <Guest447>                         parameters:
[15:12] <Guest447>                                 mode: 802.3ad
[15:12] <Guest447>                                 lacp-rate: fast
[15:12] <Guest447>                                 mii-monitor-interval: 100
[16:02] <Guest447> Nvm I got it to work with the macaddress field... just required a few reboots to make it stick :)


[01:00] <jyo_> I'll be a bit late but I'll see you guys tonight at the thing.
[01:27] <philipballew> kdub, the train to there is a joke. Its only possible if you take the train along the cost, but thats like 12 hours.
[01:30] <Faqtotum> i went to thirstybear, no one was there, and they have no reservation
[01:32] <Faqtotum> since no one seems to be on now, i'll try phoning grantbow
[01:47] <Faqtotum> ok, found pleia2 in here
[02:00] <Faqtotum> hi
[02:02] <akk> Darn, the alternate installer doesn't work when dd-ed onto a USB stick.
[02:05] <pleia2> ive never had good luck w/ alt and usb sticks
[02:55] <Faqtotum> 12 people here now
[02:56] <Faqtotum> 5 standing, 7 sitting
[03:24] <akk> Weird -- in the pangolin alt installer, it gives you a choice to enable partners and extras repos
[03:24] <akk> but no choice to enable regular main ubuntu software (from anything but security.ubuntu.com)
[03:24] <Faqtotum> lol
[03:34]  * Darkwing peers in
[03:36] <Darkwing> Anyone have an expresscard ieee that they would be willing to part with at a good price or, trade for a few 2.5" Laptop drives including a 32GB SSD?
[04:06] <Darkwing> Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal.
[04:08] <Faqtotum> quantal is a word?
[04:09] <Darkwing> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quantal
[04:47] <Faqtotum> meh
[05:43] <bkerensa> pleia2: How would you like 40 11.04 CD's and maybe 20-30 11.10's?
[05:43] <bkerensa> :D
[05:44] <bkerensa> Since we don't get CD's I am recycling the covers from old versions I have and repurposing :D
[06:00] <philipballew_> my schools dhcp servers seem to cut me off every so often and cant reconnect easily.
[06:07] <philipballew_> would that be a reason why my internet connection cuts off every hour or so
[06:59] <bkerensa> uhh I wrote a Juju charm in 22 minutes :P
[07:27]  * MarkDude saw a Motley crue cover band tonight, all women - thye are called Cruella
[07:28] <DonkeyHotei> hide the dalmatians
[07:36] <DonkeyHotei> to register for uds, do i put "non-sponsored" for "capacity" or what?
[07:39] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: yeah I think so
[07:39] <DonkeyHotei> "group/company representing" ?
[07:40] <DonkeyHotei> what there?
[07:41] <DonkeyHotei> bkerensa: ^
[07:41] <bkerensa> Mmm
[07:41] <bkerensa> You are representing Ubuntu
[07:41] <bkerensa> unless you are attending for some other reason
[07:41] <bkerensa> ;p
[07:42] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: Do you contribute to any specific area of the community?
[07:42] <DonkeyHotei> odd that that's still "non-sponsored"
[07:42] <DonkeyHotei> and what do i put for travel info? it's non-optional
[07:49] <MarkDude> DonkeyHotei, you represent levity
[07:49] <MarkDude> Put today as arrival day
[07:49] <MarkDude> and put some day in the future as leaving, maybe a day after the Mayan calendar ends
[07:49] <DonkeyHotei> i put the 7th
[07:50]  * MarkDude tried to put both local AND remote attending
[07:50] <MarkDude> Would not let me
[07:50] <DonkeyHotei> you're local
[07:53]  * MarkDude reserves the right to act remote while there
[07:58] <dax> So I just found out I'm going to be in the Bay Area the 3rd to the 8th.
[08:05] <philipballew> late night for people talking here
[09:54]  * bkerensa prints tickets
[15:25] <DonkeyHotei> i made a typo untarring a tarball on oneiric:
[15:26] <DonkeyHotei> No command 'tax' found, did you mean:
[15:26] <DonkeyHotei>  Command 'ttx' from package 'fonttools' (universe)
[15:26] <DonkeyHotei>  Command 'fax' from package 'efax' (universe)
[15:26] <DonkeyHotei>  Command 'tex' from package 'texlive-binaries' (main)
[15:26] <DonkeyHotei>  Command 'tx' from package 'transifex-client' (universe)
[15:26] <DonkeyHotei>  Command 'vax' from package 'simh' (universe)
[15:26] <DonkeyHotei>  Command 'tar' from package 'tar' (main)
[15:26] <DonkeyHotei>  Command 'tac' from package 'coreutils' (main)
[15:26] <DonkeyHotei>  Command 'rax' from package 'radare-common' (universe)
[15:26] <DonkeyHotei>  Command 'pax' from package 'pax' (main)
[15:26] <DonkeyHotei>  Command 'stax' from package 'stax' (universe)
[15:26] <DonkeyHotei> tax: command not found
[15:52] <pleia2> bkerensa: oh no, I make sure I don't have left overs of CDs from old releases at the end of a cycle, I have no space for them :)
[16:10] <DonkeyHotei> dax: someone mentioned last night that you're at sac state now, so why didn't i see you at the ubuntu hour that philipballew used to run?
[16:48] <philipballew_> Whats a good method for making a direct image of my laptop them putting that image on all my other omputers?
[16:49] <philipballew_> is there a simple way to do it?
[16:49] <philipballew_> i thought about clonezilla, but was unsure if that the best?
[16:49] <akk> cp -ax will usually work: the first parts of http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/install/upgrading-without-risk.html
[16:50] <akk> It does require some manual steps. If you can access your root filesystem while it's unmounted (while you're not actually running), that's safer.
[16:52] <philipballew_> that seems script-able
[16:52] <philipballew_> maybe
[16:53]  * philipballew_ thanks akk
[16:54] <akk> Once you have one copy that's not mounted and that uses the right root device, like /dev/sda2 or whatever, doing more copies is super easy.
[16:54] <philipballew_> I was thinking of throwing the image onto my server and try to send it from there maybe. Not sure.
[16:55] <akk> You could have a script to fix things like the hostname, and disk UUIDs if you prefer to use those instead of /dev/sdNN
[16:55] <philipballew_> So many ideas
[16:56] <akk> I'm in the process of making a bunch of little pangolins on USB sticks that I can use for a class ... will probably use cp -ax or rsync -a for them once I get one up and working.
[16:57] <philipballew_> I was thinking of giving the images I make to my work, There trying to use ubuntu to send to people in South Africa
[16:57] <philipballew_> what class are you taking?
[16:59] <DonkeyHotei> sending ubuntu to south africa, how ironic...
[17:03] <philipballew_> DonkeyHotei, thats what I thought... but hey, never hurts
[17:04] <akk> philipballew_: Teaching an arduino class. The arduino software turns out to be difficult to install on windows, so I'm hoping I can boot their lab machines into ubuntu.
[17:04] <DonkeyHotei> there used to be a ppa for it
[17:04] <DonkeyHotei> it went unmaintained
[17:05] <akk> For arduino? I think there's a version in the repos, but it's old.
[17:05] <akk> But it's easy to run the tarball on ubuntu. Not so easy on windows.
[17:05] <philipballew_> I need to buy a new arduino. I was running a picaxe but that was not meeting my needs
[17:06] <DonkeyHotei> i know it's easy to run the tarball, but a maintained ppa for auto updates was nice
[17:12] <philipballew_> ppa's are nice untill you either want to remove them or update ubuntu and have the system remove the ppa and you have to re enable it.
[17:13] <DonkeyHotei> worth it
[17:15] <akk> Ugh, kernel panic trying to boot off the usb stick.
[17:22] <philipballew_> have you tried turning it on off and on again?
[17:30] <akk> yeah
[17:30] <akk> Might be an initrd problem -- the initrd was generated on a different machine from the target machine.
[17:31] <akk> I'm not sure how to get a generic initrd that works everywhere ... I tried the one I made on this machine, where I said yes, include all drivers not just from this machine.
[17:43] <akk> Hmm, maybe this usb stick is bad.
[17:53] <akk> When I try to log in to ubuntu forums using my launchpad id, I get a firefox warning about a suspicious cross-site scripting attempt.
[17:54] <akk> How do I whitelist it? I tried going to Options and adding ^https://login.launchpad.net/+openid (the url that showed up in the console) but that didn't make it happy.
[18:00] <akk> Nobody uses ubuntu forums with firefox, I guess? Or you have to use a separate login for forums, can't use launchpad?
[18:06] <philipballew_> akk, I dont think uf is hooked up with the single sigh on yet. Maybe I am wrong, but I think thats a feature coming soon.
[18:07] <akk> If so, they should get rid of the link that says "Sign in using your Launchpad ID".
[18:07] <akk> In the upper right just under the search box.
[18:17] <philipballew_> akk, I think there currently or soon will redoo the entire interface to look more like ubuntu 10.04 plus and not the brown theme before 10.04. or at least that what i herd. Have you tried askubuntu? I hear its better these days.
[18:20] <philipballew_> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/nyregion/at-92-movie-bootlegger-is-soldiers-hero.html?_r=2
[18:20] <philipballew_> Old people are awesome!
[18:28] <philipballew_> pleia2, I want to let you know I was going to do post meeting logs tonight/early morning stuurday. so dont think I forgot
[18:28] <philipballew_> this is a very hard week so I have not been able to get to it. I apologize
[18:42] <bkerensa> pleia2: Was the California release party fun? Lots of people?
[18:42] <bkerensa> I saw a Pangolin partying
[18:42] <DonkeyHotei> we had a plastic pangolin
[18:43] <DonkeyHotei> 15-ish people, total
[18:44] <philipballew_> I partied alone in my room last night. Should I have put that as a loco event/
[18:45] <DonkeyHotei> muy loco
[18:50] <pleia2> philipballew_: no problem :) thanks for doing this
[18:50] <pleia2> bkerensa: was fun, I put photos up here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/sets/72157629548073368/
[18:51] <pleia2> as DonkeyHotei said the peak was about 15 people, but counting folks who just dropped in for a few minutes I'd say it ended up being around 20 in all
[18:51] <pleia2> we were there for 3 hours, so people sort of came and went
[18:51] <bkerensa> :D
[18:52] <DonkeyHotei> 12 people were there pretty much the whole time
[18:52] <bkerensa> cool we are anticipating about 55 attendees (We have 33 Yes + 9 Maybe) although we have people who refuse to RSVP for all events for "anonymity" purposes I guess and then we have also had some who just ran into LTP issues
[18:53]  * bkerensa hopes we have enough beer/soda/pizza
[18:54] <DonkeyHotei> glad i didn't end up in any of the pics
[18:57] <bkerensa> what are those potatoes ?
[18:57] <DonkeyHotei> yep
[18:58] <DonkeyHotei> they were good, too
[18:58] <DonkeyHotei> but the empanadas were even better
[18:58] <bkerensa> ahh
[18:59]  * bkerensa desires Taqueria Cancun Super Burritos so bad
[18:59] <DonkeyHotei> there was a plate of three empanadas. i had one, wiretapp1d had another, and the third stayed on the plate even when they took the plate away
[18:59] <bkerensa> =o
[19:02] <philipballew_> bkerensa, yeah. for the sd ubuntu hours only i rsvp, but we have 8 people often
[19:03] <philipballew_> they just dont care to rsvp
[19:03]  * kdub included last time :-/
[19:03] <bkerensa> philipballew: our salem ubuntu hours have on average 3-4 but its not really a tech city :)
[19:03] <bkerensa> Our last Portland Ubuntu Hour had 25
[19:03] <bkerensa> :D
[19:04] <bkerensa> and were going to start shifting to two a month one on the East Side and one on the West Side
[19:07] <philipballew_> bkerensa, your really organized
[19:07] <bkerensa> philipballew: yeah kind of but this is my last cycle involved in leading our LoCo I think :)
[19:08]  * bkerensa had planned to step down before the end of the cycle but things didn't work out
[19:09] <philipballew_> who takes over?
[19:11] <bkerensa> philipballew: That is a good question.... I'm hoping Nathan Williams will take the role and if he needs help I can asst him but if not there are other people I am confident can do it
[19:11]  * bkerensa wont step down until all that is lined up
[19:12] <philipballew_> you need to find a jedi apprentice
[19:12] <bkerensa> But in Q I am going to be doing a intense amount of doc work and after Q cycle I plan to apply to be a MOTU
[19:17] <philipballew_> motu sounds fun
[21:51] <Julius_> Hi all
[21:52] <Julius_> anyone willing to help a fresh ubuntu noob with a dual display problem ?
[21:55] <Julius__> Hi again....anyone willing to solve a noob's problem  here.....concerning dual screen
[21:56] <Julius__> anyone live here....maybe a better question?
[21:57] <pleia2> Julius__: I think a of us are at work :) but you can ask your question, if folks are lurking they might know
[21:57] <Julius__> thanx for responding
[21:58] <pleia2> (I have only ever had one monitor, so I'm afraid I can't help)
[21:59] <Julius__> Ok thank you...........Iḿ in Holland country is asleep...will check the UK...1 hour difference
[21:59] <pleia2> maybe try #ubuntu?
[22:00] <Julius__> tried it all............works like a charm under Windows, must be something small....but Iḿ all new in Ubuntu
[22:00] <Julius__> Looks good but it's not the same
[22:01] <Julius__> have a great day
[23:59] <dragon> I don't think they understood that you were referring to the #ubuntu IRC channel.


[06:48] <YoBoY> good morning
[16:59]  * Silverlion waves
[20:46] <Silverlion> hey there ...
[23:54] <akgraner> Hey all let's see about having a meeting this week - and get a handle on the goals from UDS? it's going to have to be after 1700 UTC and Friday would be best for me - thoughts
[23:55] <akgraner> I'll email the mailing list.  We can do it next week as well..


[04:56] <micahg> Laney: why is handbrake in quantal-backports and not in raring?
[04:58] <ESphynx> hey micahg =) 'evening
[04:59] <micahg> hi ESphynx
[04:59] <ESphynx> how's it going ;)
[04:59] <micahg> ok
[05:01] <ESphynx> good stuff :P Please let me know if the ball's in my court and I have something to do to get this SRU or conflict resolution moving :P
[05:02]  * micahg wasn't aware he was supposed to review something
[05:03] <ESphynx> oh :P
[05:03] <ESphynx> well I didn't really know what the next step was :P
[05:03] <ESphynx> I subscribed ubuntu-sru
[05:04] <ESphynx> but I had gone over all the bugs again and tested the test cases and stuff
[05:05] <micahg> ubuntu-sru doesn't put it in the queue, ubuntu-sponsors does
[05:06] <ESphynx> ah well that's what I was confused about
[05:06] <ESphynx> but I thought you were going to review these first anyways :)
[05:09] <ESphynx> So should I add ubuntu-sponsors ?
[05:10] <micahg> that or give me a bug # with the debdiff
[05:10] <micahg> I can't review it tonight though
[05:12] <ESphynx> micahg no hurries :) whenever you have the chance
[05:12] <ESphynx> micahg: I got all these there https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecere-sdk/+bugs
[05:13] <ESphynx> And they each have a link to a bzr revision with the diff
[05:13] <ESphynx> e.g. Fixed by http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jerstlouis/ecere/quantal_sru/revision/804    and packaging:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jerstlouis/ecere/quantal/revision/2  (This is the only one with 2 diffs, 'cuz it's packaging and orig)
[05:13] <micahg> oh, um, it's usually one debdiff with a bunch of quilt patches
[05:14] <ESphynx> but the bugs are all separate?
[05:14] <ESphynx> though all the revisions are in line
[05:15] <micahg> umm...I only see 2 revisions in that branch
[05:15] <ESphynx> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jerstlouis/ecere/quantal_sru/changes   -- i.e. diff from 802 to 817  (though 803 was deemed unncessary)
[05:16] <ESphynx> (it only was a problem on Windows)
[05:16] <micahg> yeah, this won't work, each fix should be turned into a quilt patch since the package is 3.0 (quilt)
[05:16] <ESphynx> I have no idea what is a quilt patch :P
[05:16] <micahg> there's an easy way to do that with bzr, but I don't remember offhand
[05:17] <ESphynx> I see the link there: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jerstlouis/ecere/quantal_sru/diff/803
[05:17] <ESphynx> that gives you a .diff , is that what you awnt?
[05:17] <micahg> it can be a .diff, but it needs to be a proper patch under debian/patches/
[05:18] <ESphynx> But all of them together?
[05:18] <ESphynx> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilt_(software) -- oh geez... this is a whole tool thing :P
[05:18] <micahg> well, each fix is a separate file under debian/patches
[05:19] <micahg> http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0#But.2C_how_do_I_actually_work_with_the_3.0_.28quilt.29_format.3F
[05:19] <ESphynx> thanks
[05:19] <ESphynx> if I basically download all these diffs
[05:19] <ESphynx> and name them 803.diff 804.diff ?
[05:19] <ESphynx> and put these in debian/patches/ , is that kind of the idea?
[05:20] <micahg> ESphynx: well, dpkg applies patches listed in the series file during the unpack phase with source format 3.0
[05:21] <ESphynx> so what you're saying is... this is part of the whole 'package' thing ?
[05:21] <micahg> yeah
[05:21] <ESphynx> i.e. the source remains the 'orig' source?
[05:21] <micahg> exactly
[05:21] <ESphynx> I get it :P
[05:21] <ESphynx> and tehse patches are listed in another file?
[05:21] <ESphynx> or automatically taken from patches/
[05:21] <micahg> debian/patches/series
[05:21] <ESphynx> so debian/patches/quantal ?
[05:22] <micahg> no
[05:22] <micahg> series is the name of the file
[05:22] <ESphynx> ah ok.
[05:22] <micahg> I can see how that's confusing :-/
[05:22] <ESphynx> and in there I'd list
[05:22] <ESphynx> 803.diff
[05:22] <ESphynx> 804.diff
[05:22] <ESphynx> ?
[05:23] <micahg> ESphynx: you might want to have more descriptive names, but it's fine to prefix them with the revision if you like
[05:23] <micahg> I guess it's time for me to test build against proposed
[05:23] <ESphynx> yeah I'll improve on the name
[05:23] <ESphynx> test build what?
[05:23] <micahg> (last comment was in regard to haskell)
[05:23] <ESphynx> ah haskell :)
[05:24] <micahg> Laney: sorry for the bad rebuild...I need to enable proposed in my chroot, I'll fix it later
[05:24] <ESphynx> micahg: so that's basically it? patches/series ... list the bunch of diff, individual diff
[05:24] <micahg> yeah
[05:24] <ESphynx> thanks for breaking it down for me :P I hate crawling docs :P
[05:24] <ESphynx> I'll work on this tomorrow, upload as a package or what not and give you a shout then
[05:25] <micahg> ok
[05:25] <ESphynx> thanks again =) good night
[05:26] <micahg> ESphynx: sure, good night
[05:31] <micahg> ESphynx: oh, one more thing, I think LP does -p0 by default, source format 3.0 expects -p1, so I think you'll need to use bzr to do it, someone else might remember the commands to make it work (if not, I can figure it out tomorrow)
[05:31] <ESphynx> I never understood the difference between p0 and p1. are those 2 formats?
[05:32] <ESphynx> I don't actually have bzr, I'm a git'ter :P I just use the launchpad import... maybe there's a way to do with git too?
[05:36] <micahg> yeah, git is used by a lot of DDs
[05:37] <micahg> I'm sure there's a guide somewhere
[05:40] <micahg> ESphynx: -p0 addresses files in the current directory, -p1 skips the first the dir listed in each file in the patch
[05:40]  * micahg disappears now
[05:42] <ESphynx> thanks
[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[07:48] <ESphynx> good morning dholbach
[07:48] <ESphynx> I always dread your good mornings :( means I'm staying up way too late :P
[07:50] <dholbach> hi ESphynx
[08:02] <Niraj_> hi dholbach
[08:02] <geser> good morning
[08:48] <Laney> micahg: it was a pre-release backport and we still don't have the tools to track those / anyone doing it
[15:58] <micahg> Laney: re handbrake> ok, so you mind if I move it forward then?
[15:59] <Laney> I think I just saw it join the queue actually
[15:59] <Laney> big brother is watching ...
[16:00] <micahg> yeah, dholbach just sync'd it
[16:00]  * micahg guesses he forgot to grab it last niht


[03:59]  * ScottK shakes hit fist at shadeslayer.
[03:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Your kdepim merge where you dropped a stack of kleopatra headers makes kopete-cryptography FTBFS.
[04:00]  * ScottK fixes.
[06:34] <Tm_T> ScottK: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/6221/1011
[06:37] <ScottK> Tm_T: Thanks.
[06:42] <Tm_T> ScottK: couldn't find any useful logs for the bug report
[06:43] <ScottK> Tm_T: OK.  Thanks.
[06:43] <Tm_T> I really need to find out what is wrong with the cdrom drive, boot takes good 10 minutes apparently
[06:47] <apachelogger> that bug is moot btw
[06:48] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, looks like I'll be putting together a couple of online global jams for Kubuntu... Bug Jam and Doc Jam. :D
[06:49] <DarkwingDuck> Finalizing the location/date/time for my loco jam then I'll be tossing out emails re the Kubuntu Online Jams.
[06:49] <Tm_T> apachelogger: moot?
[06:50] <apachelogger> mooooooo-t
[06:50] <apachelogger> ^^
[06:50] <apachelogger> Tm_T: see my comment
[06:50]  * Tm_T huggles apachelogger
[06:50]  * apachelogger prepares announcement blog post of epic proportions of awesome
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> For what apachelogger?
[06:53] <Tm_T> the awesomeness
[06:53] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[06:53] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ah, so kwallet is deactivated, but apps complain it's not there, makes sense I suppose (:
[06:54] <apachelogger> Tm_T: what? which apps do complain?
[06:54] <apachelogger> shoot them dead
[06:54] <apachelogger> upstream issue
[06:54] <Tm_T> knetworkmanager gives something about missing something, doesn't name it but it's clearly kwalletd
[06:54] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: apachelogger 3.2 due next week :P
[06:55] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: XD
[06:55] <Tm_T> should have screencapped the error dialog (:)
[06:55] <apachelogger> Tm_T: mind getting a snap of that? if it is not too much of a hassle
[06:55] <Tm_T> apachelogger: will do, but not right now
[06:55] <apachelogger> but I am reasonably confident knm is being shite and should be fixed
[06:55] <apachelogger> oh, that statement has so much truth on so many levels
[06:55] <apachelogger> wow
[06:55]  * apachelogger is like buddha or something
[06:56] <DarkwingDuck> Oh, I love, LOVE off topic mailing list emails.
[06:56] <DarkwingDuck> Ubuntu QA ML: I am trying to move from apple to ubuntu completely, but I have great softwares in apple. How can I use apple software on ubuntu? Is there a way besides using vmware?
[07:03] <apachelogger> seems related to me
[07:03] <apachelogger> also why would anyone move from osx to a cheap man's osx :P
[07:03] <apachelogger> (with less apps, obviously :P(
[07:03] <apachelogger> s/(/)/
[07:03] <apachelogger> madness
[07:06] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[07:48] <yofel> morning
[07:48] <DarkwingDuck> Mornin
[09:37] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hah, my only USB drive went kaput on the flight when i started testing it
[09:37] <shadeslayer> will find one during lunch and test it today
[09:43] <mfraz74> yofel: did you get a chance to look at opendesktop?
[10:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: usb-creator goes kaput when installing the bootloader onto the USB
[10:17]  * shadeslayer tries to report a but
[10:18] <shadeslayer> s/but/bug
[10:20] <shadeslayer> bug 821870
[11:14] <stanley_robertso> hi all .. Am new to kubuntu stuff .. wanted to contribute to c/c++ projects of it.. can someone redirect me to the appropriate channel/webpage
[11:14] <stanley_robertso> so that i can know the required info and do thecontribution
[11:42] <tsimpson> if you can't wait a few mins for a response on a weekend, you're probably not going to be a great contributor...
[12:00] <shadeslayer> valorie: yofel either of you have a Kubuntu CD?
[12:00]  * shadeslayer wonders where Riddell is
[12:00] <yofel> nope, I do have a flash drive with me, but that won't help you...
[12:00] <yofel> should've taken my optical drive with me...
[12:01] <shadeslayer> hmm ... i wonder if there's a grub rescue disk which can install grub again
[13:22] <ScottK> shadeslayer:  be sure to mark that on the iso tracker as a failed test due to that bug.
[13:23] <ScottK> stanley_robertso: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo is a good place to start.
[13:44] <yofel> ScottK: he managed to foobar his grub setup on his mac, so he'll do that ~soon
[13:45] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks.  It turns out he already did without me asking.  I want to make sure we get that on the list of Alpha 3 bugs to get tracked by the release team.
[13:46] <yofel> k
[13:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you haz kubuntu ISO?
[13:49] <shadeslayer> and where are you?
[13:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: no iso, I'm sitting at the front behind svuorela and beside Lydia
[13:54] <nsm> yofel: shadeslayer here
[13:55] <nsm> yofel: where are you?
[13:55] <yofel> well, correction: I have the .iso - but no disk to put it on
[13:55] <nsm> yofel: i haz the disl
[13:55] <nsm> *disk
[13:56] <nsm> yofel: i managed to find a disk ... just need the ISO now :P
[13:56] <nsm> yofel: where are you sitting?
[14:00] <nigelb> nsm: lol, hijacking someone else's IRC? :P
[14:02] <nsm> its nsm again, shadeslayer is using mine since he doesn't have a connection
[14:08] <yofel> bah, the packet loss on this net is riddiculous -.-
[16:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: already done
[16:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: where are you?
[16:09] <yofel> I'm still sitting beside sput
[16:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: i'm at the back
[16:10] <shadeslayer> turn back
[16:10] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:10] <yofel> seen ;)
[16:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: battery ran out, had to charge the notebook
[16:11] <yofel> heh, just plugged mine in too
[17:21] <bambee> evening
[17:21]  * bambee is connected via 3G...
[17:23] <bambee> it works but network is really really slow :(
[17:46] <jussi> valorie: its bambee... ;)
[20:19] <mischasworld_> hello
[20:19] <mischasworld_> i think if found a bug in kleopatra on natty running the experimental ppa
[20:20] <mischasworld_> when i try to set the owner trust of my openpgp certificate I'm unable to do so, because of a greyed out ok button
[20:21] <mischasworld_> when I start it from the konsole I get this error message: Object::connect: No such slot QWidget::slotTrustLevelChanged()
[21:04] <bambee> valorie: thanks for your post :)
[21:05] <bambee> and +1 for non-technicals contributions
[21:05] <bambee> every contributions are important


[00:55] <LLStarks> hey guys, firefox doesn't load v4l1compat.so automatically. doesn't this mean that older webcams can't use chatroulette and such?
[01:00] <LLStarks> v4l2convert.so or whatever the thing is
[01:02] <micahg> LLStarks: shouldn't that be loaded by whatever plugin is using it?
[01:03] <LLStarks> it isn't. same goes for things like skype.
[01:03] <micahg> well, I don't think Firefox should be linking against webcams libs
[01:03] <LLStarks> cheese finds the webcame fine without explicitly needing to load the library
[01:05] <LLStarks> http://pastebin.com/AL7Bg62u
[01:05] <LLStarks> the plugins, namely flash, are looking for the hooks
[01:06] <LLStarks> firefox, at least on linux, needs to provide for that
[16:11] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, we'll get a new launcher API soon in unity, which allows you to use quicklists, and add progress indicators to launcher icons
[16:11] <chrisccoulson> the API is already available (but not stable) - https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/libunity/trunk
[16:11] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ah, excellent - that's the third major project for integration.  So that's awesome.  :)
[16:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that would be pretty neat :)
[16:29] <fta> chrisccoulson, pm
[17:10] <fta> jdstrand, fyi, linux/stable (9.0.597.84 -> 9.0.597.94)
[17:10] <fta> hmm
[17:11] <jdstrand> ack
[17:12] <micahg> jdstrand: I should have seamonkey tested by EOD
[17:12] <jdstrand> micahg: great, thanks :)
[17:14] <fta> chrisccoulson, micahg: does ff4 use libjpeg_turbo?
[17:14] <fta> yet
[17:14] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/564553/
[17:14] <micahg> fta: I don't think it does yet, let me see if I can find the bug
[17:16] <micahg> fta: not yet, mozilla 573948
[17:17] <fta> ok
[17:17] <fta> jdstrand, just checked, we need it, 5 security fixes
[17:17] <jdstrand> lovely
[17:17] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 573948 in ImageLib "Replace libjpeg with libjpeg-turbo" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573948
[17:18] <jdstrand> fta: this will be just chromium-browser and not additional updates?
[17:18] <fta> jdstrand, yes, correct
[17:18] <jdstrand> cool
[17:19] <micahg> jdstrand: do you want me to talk to the release team about 10.04.2 and the Firefox delay?
[17:19] <jdstrand> micahg: sure, that would be friendly
[17:23] <dpm> hi fta, sorry for not replying earlier on on #launchpad I was discussing translations breakage in another browser on -desktop ;) - and then I got sidetracked.
[17:23] <dpm> So it seems that the fix for that bug won't make it for the LP rollout
[17:23] <dpm> but it might be cherrypicked afterwards
[17:24] <dpm> I'd say let's wait until then, and if it doesn't improve, I'd raise it on the launchpad-dev mailing list again
[17:25] <dpm> as danilo and the other guys (apart from henninge) are no longer working in translations
[17:25] <dpm> so the squad working on them should handle this
[17:25] <fta> dpm, i don't see what else i can do in my code. so i'll wait
[17:26] <dpm> fta, yeah, let's do that
[17:26] <fta> dpm, merging everything on my side means way more resources used. 3500 strings x 57 langs x 4 branches
[17:35] <dpm> fta, yeah, I understand it's a pain on your side :(
[17:37] <fta> dpm, the code is there now so it's ok. but i feel bad for the translators, they complain with a good reason, and i don't know what to tell them
[17:38] <fta> dpm, btw, i will blog once more about those translations, i still have some good news
[17:38] <fta> (this bug aside)
[17:39] <dpm> yeah, I read about what you were saying about landing new languages earlier on :)
[17:39] <fta> dpm, did you read my post about ch 9? there was something about translations in it too
[17:50] <fta> dpm, jdstrand: btw, i just generated the source tarball for the new chromium update (9.0.597.94), and it's missing the lp *improved* strings
[17:51] <fta> 2000 out of 200k strings :P
[17:51] <jdstrand> meh
[17:55] <micahg> jdstrand: oh well
[17:55] <dpm> :(
[17:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: 10.04.2 won't have the next round of Mozilla updates
[17:55] <micahg> s/next/this/
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, that sucks
[17:57] <micahg> indeed
[18:00] <dpm> fta, I had read the blog post, but it seems too quickly, I had missed the translations part. I've now added it to the translators FB page :)
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> RIP abrowser => http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-4.0.head/revision/751
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> :)
[18:02] <micahg> now I can generate a tarball without authing to bzr :)
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah!
[18:03] <fta> ?
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> oh, actually. we might still need to keep the abrowser branding in the tarball
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> as we'll need it eventually for lucid
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> but for now, we don't need it
[18:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I thought we were going to kill it in Lucid as well
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> well, we'll see what happens
[18:04] <fta> seems you guys undid everything asac and me did since 2007 :P
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> fta - sorry ;)
[18:05] <chrisccoulson> fta - people aren't really using abrowser (nobody noticed that it's been broken since december)
[18:05] <micahg> fta: tarball generation did a bzr checkout and if you have an ssh key associated with bzr, it prompts for auth unless you configure it a certain way (which I haven't figured out yet)
[18:05] <chrisccoulson> and it's going to get difficult to maintain in the future too
[18:06] <fta> abrowser was not mine anyway, i never really understood why it was needed
[18:06] <fta> something about OEM iirc
[18:07] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah. they're not using it now though
[18:07] <fta> ok, good then
[18:08] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i think i broke tbird upgrades (bug 715310)
[18:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 715310 in thunderbird "package thunderbird 3.1.8+build2+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus script post-installation installé a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/715310
[18:09] <chrisccoulson> not much useful information there though. did anyone else see that issue?>
[18:10] <chrisccoulson> it upgraded fine here
[18:10]  * micahg doesn't see the bzr commits for it
[18:10] <micahg> and I'm still not on natty :)
[18:11]  * micahg will ask the Xubuntu folks if they've had any trouble
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> the only thing i changed there was to do the symlink -> folder migration that dpkg doesn't handle
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> or, folder -> symlink, rather
[18:37] <LLStarks> chrisccoulson: it came up yesterday that apps like chrome, skype, firefox, etc don't have the proper hooks for non-uvc, v4l1 webcams unless the library is directly fed into the app.
[18:37] <chrisccoulson> huh, what does that have to do with firefox?
[18:37] <LLStarks> ffff, i can't read. stupid chatzilla
[18:37] <chrisccoulson> are you sure that's not flash?
[18:39]  * micahg thought it was Flash's fault as well
[18:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: upgrade worked for charlie-tca
[18:45] <chrisccoulson> micahg - cool, thanks
[18:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: but he went from 3.1.8+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu5  to current
[18:45] <chrisccoulson> i'll just keep an eye on the bugs then, it might just be one of those random failures we get with update-alternatives
[18:45] <chrisccoulson> (or perhaps he used ubuntuzilla!)
[18:45] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[18:46] <micahg> chrisccoulson: charlie-tca is having trouble with saved tabs in the latest FF4 beta though
[18:47] <chrisccoulson> micahg - not asking if he wants them saved?
[18:47] <chrisccoulson> that's normal ;)
[18:47] <micahg> charlie-tca: firefox 4.0b11 does not save tabs, even checked in preferences to reopen all tabs when starting
[18:47] <LLStarks> damn xchat
[18:47] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it does save them, but it doesn't restore them automatically
[18:47] <LLStarks> keeps crashing
[18:47] <LLStarks> chris, did you get my last?
[18:48] <chrisccoulson> you need to go to History -> Restore Previous Session
[18:48] <chrisccoulson> ^^micahg
[18:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: weird, my tabs still restore
[18:48] <chrisccoulson> LLStarks, about v4l1? not sure how that's anything to do with firefox...
[18:48] <chrisccoulson> micahg - you might have a user pref there
[18:49] <LLStarks> where does the responsibility for proper webcam hooks lie? libv4l?
[18:49] <chrisccoulson> micahg - the new behaviour is to save the session, but not restore automatically. this works quite well in the mozilla build, because they have a big "restore previous session" button on the homepage
[18:49] <chrisccoulson> but the new behaviour really sucks for us, because we have our own homepage
[18:50] <chrisccoulson> i'm wondering whether to revert that pref for us
[18:50] <chrisccoulson> the item in the history menu is not discoverable, and people are going to think they've lost their sessions
[18:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: either that, or give us the button as well
[18:50] <chrisccoulson> i've had a few people ping me about it already
[18:50] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we can't add a button, as our homepage is remote content
[18:51] <micahg> oh, they have a local homepage
[18:51] <chrisccoulson> yep
[18:51]  * micahg was wondering how that worked with remote content, answer is: it doesn't :)
[18:51] <chrisccoulson> which is cool
[18:55] <LLStarks> chris, thunderbird-globalmenu needs to be pulled.
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> micahg - http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/home.png
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> hih?
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> huh, even?
[18:55] <LLStarks> doesn't let thunderbird configure
[18:56] <LLStarks> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[18:56] <LLStarks>   thunderbird thunderbird-globalmenu
[18:56] <chrisccoulson> starting with "thunderbird-globalmenu needs to be pulled isn't particularly helpful". please describe the problem first and i'll come up with a solution ;)
[18:56] <chrisccoulson> rather than telling me a solution before even telling me what the problem is ;)
[18:57] <LLStarks> http://pastebin.com/bDi0reLu
[18:57] <chrisccoulson> right
[18:57] <chrisccoulson> that's nothing to do with thunderbird-globalmenu
[18:57]  * m_conley exhales
[18:58] <m_conley> close one.  :)
[18:58] <chrisccoulson> that is just thunderbird failing to configure, but i've got no idea why yet. nobody else in here recreated it
[18:58] <chrisccoulson> LLStarks, it's more likely to do with another transition we did
[18:58] <LLStarks> okay
[18:58] <LLStarks> sorry for rushing to conclusions
[18:58] <chrisccoulson> LLStarks, is /usr/lib/thunderbird-3.1.8/extensions a folder or symlink after the upgrade?
[18:59] <LLStarks> symlink
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, so, it seems like it worked :/
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> interesting
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> and there are no other useful error messages
[19:01] <LLStarks> i could try looking through apt logs
[19:02] <chrisccoulson> there won't be anything there
[19:02] <LLStarks> but my whole machine has been unstable with bug 714959
[19:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 714959 in nautilus "Nautilus process crashes and restarts in an uninterruptible loop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/714959
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> LLStarks, oh, this is a fresh install of thunderbird rather than upgrade?
[19:05]  * chrisccoulson hasn't tested that!
[19:05] <LLStarks> upgrade
[19:05] <LLStarks> purging and fresh install doesn't help
[19:06] <chrisccoulson> hmmm :/
[19:06] <chrisccoulson> you can recreate it every time?
[19:07] <LLStarks> yea
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> just trying a fresh install
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> if my laptop ever hurries up
[19:13] <LLStarks> i swear my pc is conspiring against me
[19:14] <chrisccoulson> oh, i see it too
[19:48] <fta> jdstrand, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/9.0.597.94~r73967/   + bug 715357
[19:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 715357 in chromium-browser "9.0.597.84 -> 9.0.597.94 upgrade" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/715357
[19:48] <jdstrand> fta: thanks-- so did you pull back in the translations (or similar), or will this regress?
[19:51] <fta> jdstrand, well, there's no real gap, everything is still translated, but the upstream translations replaced the launchpad translations (supposed to improve the upstream ones). That's all because of lp's new design, so i'd say it's no big deal
[19:51] <jdstrand> fta: ack
[19:52] <fta> jdstrand, it's already built in the stable ppa, all fine
[20:11] <julius__> hello, everyone
[20:12] <chrisccoulson> LLStarks, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/3.1.8+build2+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 should fix it
[20:12] <chrisccoulson> but it's failed to build because of version skew with cairo packages
[20:13] <julius__> the nightlies for ff-4.0 are failing to build; anyone knows what's wrong?
[20:14] <chrisccoulson> julius__, i'll take a look later, i've got other things to do first though
[20:15] <chrisccoulson> i guess they only failed on last nights build though?
[20:15] <julius__> ok, thanks
[20:15] <julius__> nope, they failed from several days
[20:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if I get the Seamonkey testing done early, I'll try to take a look
[20:28] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[20:30] <LLStarks> wow. home dash is terrible.
[20:30] <LLStarks> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/home-dash-try-new-mozilla-labs.html
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> LLStarks, it's also experimental
[20:37] <LLStarks> i know, but it was like somebody gave my browser drugs. i had to rm the xpi directly to make it go away.
[20:43] <micahg> jdstrand: I forgot I blew away most of my VMs, is it ok for Seamonkey to be verified by tomorrow?  I want to get kvm set up on a new machine
[20:44] <jdstrand> micahg: absolutely
[20:44] <jdstrand> micahg: thank you for taking care of it :)
[20:45] <micahg> jdstrand: np
[20:51] <jdstrand> fta: uploaded to ubuntu-security-proposed. thanks for the packages! :)
[20:51] <fta> jdstrand, excellent \o/
[21:20] <micahg> jdstrand: is it safe to upgrade my VM machine to natty?
[21:20] <jdstrand> micahg: you mean the host?
[21:20] <micahg> jdstrand: yes
[21:20] <micahg> I'm installing maverick now
[21:20] <jdstrand> micahg: yes. I have one weird kvm/linux issue that seems related to wireless, but I seem to be the only one having the problem
[21:21] <jdstrand> micahg: that said, running maverick for a while is likely not a bad idea
[21:21] <micahg> ok, I just didn't want invalid test results
[21:21] <micahg> ok, maybe I'll play it safe
[21:21] <jdstrand> micahg: that way you can focus on learning the new processes, etc, rather than troubleshooting natty
[21:21] <micahg> heh, ok, makes sense
[21:22] <jdstrand> micahg: it is up to you of course. certainly by beta upgrading to natty is a good idea
[21:22] <micahg> I'm wondering if I should upgrade my laptop now or wait until I'm settled
[21:22] <micahg> jdstrand: I was doing that before :)
[21:22] <jdstrand> micahg: devs are encouraged to run the dev release, but early alphas are not a requirement
[21:22] <jdstrand> I tend to mix it up
[21:23] <jdstrand> this cycle I upgraded quite early
[21:23] <jdstrand> but that was because I wanted to provide feedback on unity
[21:23] <micahg> jdstrand: I assume that if something breaks I'm allowed to take the time to troubleshoot and/or fix it?
[21:23] <jdstrand> micahg: yes-- you need a working system :)
[21:24] <fta> upgrading to natty is way safer than upgrading from debian 5 to 6
[21:24] <jdstrand> micahg: you'll get the feel of it. some bugs are worth chasing and some worth reporting
[21:24] <fta> i did it today, total disaster
[21:24] <jdstrand> fta: bummer :(
[21:25] <jdstrand> eg, I'm not about to chase down a crasher in the unity panel
[21:25] <fta> broken libc, broken kernel, no way to continue/revert
[21:25] <jdstrand> eek
[21:26] <fta> once repaired, a thousand questions during the upgrade, most services to reconfigure, etc
[21:26] <jdstrand> ughh
[21:26] <micahg> wow, I've seen lots of good posts related to squeeze upgrades
[21:26] <fta> well, fortunately, that was my last debian server
[21:27] <jdstrand> probably depends in part on what you run
[21:27] <jdstrand> well, obviously, but the point is that some upgrade paths are more tested than others
[21:27] <fta> i installed thousands of debian servers and desktops in the past
[21:28] <fta> for more than a decade
[21:28] <fta> this upgrade was the worst
[21:28] <jdstrand> I think my worst upgrade experience was upgrading from sarge to gutsy
[21:28] <jdstrand> directly :)
[21:28] <fta> lol
[21:29] <jdstrand> that was less than ideal ;)
[21:29] <jdstrand> and surprisingly, an unsupported upgrade path. go figure
[21:29] <fta> since 2007, i've replaced almost all my debian machines with ubuntu
[21:29] <jdstrand> nice
[21:30] <fta> and tailored a bunch of debs to make the upgrades smooth
[21:30] <jdstrand> especially in later ubuntu releases (lucid+), the security features alone are a huge win (kernel and toolchain hardening, apparmor, etc)
[21:31] <fta> i can now clone most of my boxes quite easily
[21:31] <jdstrand> sweet
[21:31] <fta> incl my fully configured main desktop the way i like it
[21:32] <fta> well, not including unity
[21:32] <fta> which is still not usable for me anyway
[21:33] <jdstrand> it is getting there, but yeah, still quite a few bugs
[21:33] <fta> i'm not sure i'm willing to give up on my follow focus mode
[21:34] <fta> and i definitely don't want to go to everything full screen either
[21:34] <jdstrand> re focus> interesting. I think hallyn wanted that too. he mentioned possibly adding that ability
[21:35] <jdstrand> full screen I think/hope that is a bug. I don't run everything full screen either
[21:36] <fta> i mean, follow focus is not compatible with the global menu unless you go to everything full screen
[21:36] <fta> which is a nono on 24"+ screens
[21:37]  * jdstrand nods
[21:38] <fta> imho, unity is good for netbooks and laptops; but i'm really not sure for desktops
[21:39] <fta> but well, i've seen so many changes since twm in 92 :P
[21:39] <jdstrand> hehe
[21:39] <jdstrand> yes
[21:46] <fta> from that time, i still use the old xterm :)
[22:02] <BUGabundo> yo friends :D
[23:12] <LLStarks> latest thunderbird i386 configures properly
[23:12] <LLStarks> the one that was just built


[07:28] <dpm> good morning all
[12:23] <mr_ubuntu_12> HELP PLZ:  command "quickly edit" opens one file in vi instead of all files gedit
[12:24] <mr_ubuntu_12> i want to be able to develop apps using ubuntu , is quickly the best platform?
[12:24] <mr_ubuntu_12> HELP PLZ:  command "quickly edit" opens one file in vi instead of all files gedit
[12:25] <mr_ubuntu_12> any1?
[12:35] <mr_ubuntu_12> QUESTION : what is the BEST platform for developing applications using ubuntu .. quickly only has ubuntu templates