[00:01] <MilitantPotat1> ignoramus: I thought it always alphabetizes it?
[00:02] <ignoramus> militantpotat1: it did initially, but upon adding apps, some of the menus ("System" in particular) just add the new apps to the top
[00:02] <MilitantPotat1> oh, right.
[00:03] <Dragnslcr> Dunno if you can automatically, but you can always reorder the items yourself
[00:03] <MilitantPotat1> right click K, Menu Editor
[00:03] <ignoramus> i was gonna say that!
[00:03] <MilitantPotat1> then drag them to where ya want them
[00:03] <ignoramus> i'd like to have it done automatically if possible, for when installing new apps
[00:03] <MilitantPotat1> Like Dragnslcr said, I don't think there's a way to automatically sort them.
[00:04] <lgkan> hmmm..  install keeps hangin on dell latitude cpx650gt, although the live cd works, has no errors, thot it was the harddrive so its been replaced..  any ideas
[00:06] <ignoramus> Igkan: not sure if this helps, but when I installed Feisty, install seemed to hang, but i let it go for about half an hour, rebooted, and everything installed fine... seems just the GUI wasn't responding.  Have you tried it?
[00:07] <lgkan> I thought that was the issue, left it overnight, tried reboot without cd, nothing there
[00:07] <MilitantPotat1> lgkan: try the alternate CD install
[00:07] <lgkan> I'm wondering if its having a problem with partition managing
[00:08] <lgkan> seems thats where it stops responding
[00:08] <MilitantPotat1> lgkan: you could always manually setup your partitions with gparted
[00:08] <donsdw> KDE System Settings says my Screen size is 1280 x 1024 which is suppose to be ideal for my monitor.
[00:09] <donsdw> But the images take up more room than the screen.
[00:09] <Aoshi> I have a problem with resolution
[00:09] <ignoramus> donsdw: have you uncommented your resolution in xorg.conf?
[00:09] <donsdw> If I slide mouse cursor to hidden area that area becomes visible.  Am I clear enough?
[00:10] <donsdw> I would like to know what is causing this (new) problem.
[00:10] <lgkan> I'm going to try doing a manual partition creation from the install screen, my choices list /dev/sda "blank type, mount, format, size, used
[00:10] <donsdw> ignoramus: Yes.    I want 1024x768, not 1280x1024.
[00:15] <MilitantPotat1> igkan /dev/sda1 if that's where you're installing too, it needs to be mount point /
[00:15] <ignoramus> donsdw: aha!
[00:15] <MilitantPotat1> lgkan: also, depending on your system, it should be flagged bootable.
[00:16] <donsdw> ignoramus: but 1024x768 is first, why and how does it change to 1280x1024?
[00:17] <donsdw> ignoramus: When I first start up it is okay.
[00:17] <ignoramus> donsdw:  when does it change?
[00:18] <donsdw> I am having another problem.  When I restart, I think that is when it changes.
[00:18] <ignoramus> donsdw: the order in which resolutions are listed doesn't matter, btw
[00:18] <ignoramus> donsdw: you'll have to restart X or reboot to notice any changes in xorg.conf
[00:18] <donsdw>  My other problem is that I am losing my mouse cursor.  I think, but am not sure, that it is related
[00:18] <donsdw> to KAlarm.
[00:19] <ignoramus> donsdw: can't help you with the cursor problem :(
[00:19] <donsdw> ignoramus: I have read to put the one you want first.
[00:20] <ignoramus> donsdw: it makes no difference... just make sure that your particular resolution is uncommented (no hash mark in front of it)
[00:20] <donsdw> ignoramus: You helped a lot by showing me my resolution had changed.
[00:21] <donsdw> ignoramus: It is uncommented:  Modes "1024x768"  "800x600"  etc
[00:21] <donsdw> ignoramus: But how does it know which one to use?
[00:22] <ignoramus> donsdw: the resolution(s) listed that you don't want must be commented
[00:23] <donsdw> ignoramus: Oh, I see what you are saying.  But I have seen it this way often.  However your way should prevent the
[00:23] <donsdw> switch to an unwanted resolution.
[00:23] <ignoramus> donsdw: correct.
[00:23] <ignoramus> !pastebin
[00:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[00:24] <donsdw> ignoramus: You not only taught me a few things, I think you solved my problem!!!!!!!!  Thanks a lot.
[00:24] <ignoramus> donsdw: see my xorg.conf here for an example ----> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44559/
[00:25] <donsdw> ignoramus: <-- not a very accurate nick.  : )
[00:25] <ignoramus> donsdw: it can be sometimes ;)
[00:26] <Chase> can anyone help me setup sudo? i want to be able to run my firewall script as root with out needing a password. so far ive put 'smanderson ALL = NOPASSWD: /home/smanderson/FireWall' in /etc/sudoers but im still being asked for a password when i runsudo /home/smanderson/FireWall
[00:26] <ignoramus> donsdw: you can see i've removed the hash in front of my resolution, leaving the others commented
[00:26] <ignoramus> Chase: you can use "  sudo su  " temporarily
[00:27] <ignoramus> Chase: or you can assign root a pwd, and run as root all the time, but this is *not advisable*
[00:28] <Chase> how can i use "sudo su"? it still is asking me for a password
[00:28] <donsdw> ignoramus: I'm restarting now.  Will look at your url now also.
[00:28] <ignoramus> donsdw: ok
[00:28] <flaccid> !sudo | Chase
[00:28] <ubotu> Chase: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[00:28] <flaccid> Chase: you don't. want are you trying to do
[00:28] <ignoramus> flaccid: that's what I'm trying to tell him
[00:29] <flaccid> hehe
[00:29] <ignoramus> chase: IIRC "sudo su" will keep you logged in as superuser for the session
[00:29] <Tm_T> well
[00:29] <Tm_T> there's better ways to get that
[00:30] <flaccid> just use sudo or sudo -i and use kdesu in gui when passwd is set for root.
[00:30] <donsdw> ignoramus: Your config file looks different than mine.  I'll paste mine in a minute.  I still think you fixed my problem, though.
[00:30] <Chase> I dont want to be logged in a root. What i am wanting to do it be able to run my iptables script as a normal user using a cron job. I want to be able to type "sudo /home/smanderson/FireWall" and not be prompted for a password
[00:30] <flaccid> Chase: not possible
[00:30] <flaccid> sudo is interactive
[00:31] <Chase> :-( okay i thought i could use the NOPASSWD tag in the sudoers file to make it work
[00:31] <ignoramus> Chase: you can write a script to run your firewall config at startup.....
[00:31] <flaccid> Chase: maybe you can. not a good practice but
[00:31] <flaccid> what you are trying to do is wrong anyway
[00:32] <flaccid> there is user cron, no need for sudo or whatever
[00:33] <Chase> okay, i was just looking at the examples on http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/man/sudoers.html#nopasswd_and_passwd and it seemed to imply it was possible to give a user access to a specific command using the NOPASSWD without opening root privaleges to everyone
[00:33] <flaccid> ah yep you can do that
[00:33] <muskogeerabbit> I guess I am going to have to give up on making the KB volume control work. I changed ot to every Logitech model and none had any effect. I just can't understand why it works on UBUBTU and not on KUBUNTU.
[00:34] <flaccid> so just need to config /etc/sudoers correctly
[00:35] <ignoramus> chase: this might help??? http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/18/linux-tips-password-usage-in-sudo-passwd-nopasswd/
[00:35] <Chase> flaccid: ye it was my configuration of the /etc/sudoers i was asking about
[00:36] <donsdw> ignoramus: I've never used paste before, but if I did it right, my config lines should be in your url.
[00:37] <ignoramus> !pastebin
[00:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[00:37] <ignoramus> donsdw: i don't see it.  click the link, and paste your own, and post url please
[00:37] <donsdw> ok
[00:38] <donsdw> Try 44562
[00:38] <ignoramus> donsdw: hang on
[00:39] <Chase> thanks ignoramus the url helped :-)
[00:40] <ignoramus> chase: no problem- i actually learned something too!
[00:41] <ignoramus> donsdw: if you press "ctrl-alt-+" or "ctrl-alt-" , does anything happen?
[00:41] <donsdw> ignoramus: No.
[00:42] <donsdw> ignoramus: Not that I can tell.  Is it suppose to increase size?
[00:42] <ignoramus> donsdw: i didn't think so... try pasting the resolutions found in my xorg.conf into yours, and comment/uncomment appropriately
[00:42] <ignoramus> donsdw: yeah, that used to work in older versions of KDE, but it doesn't work for me, either
[00:43] <donsdw> ignoramus: Then restart?  Right now I'm not having the size problem.
[00:44] <ignoramus> donsdw: yeah, you have to restart X for settings in xorg.conf to take place
[00:44] <donsdw> ignoramus: You saw my config then, right?
[00:44] <ignoramus> ctrl+alt+bskspc
[00:44] <ignoramus> donsdw: lemme see
[00:45] <ignoramus> donsdw: are you clicking on "paste" at the bottom when you're changing pastebin?
[00:45] <ignoramus> donsdw: i don't see any changes
[00:46] <Rukus> anyone know of a good 64 bit FTP/FXP program?
[00:46] <flaccid> krusader
[00:46] <flaccid> well i thinkn there is 64bit version
[00:48] <donsdw> ignoramus:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44567/
[00:49] <ignoramus> rukus: vsftpd
[00:49] <flaccid> i think he was after client?
[00:49] <ignoramus> flaccid: *shrugs*
[00:49] <flaccid> true
[00:50] <ignoramus> donsdw: you need to keep each resolution on a separate line
[00:50] <MrBallZ> hi, i don't know if this is the best place for this question, but after upgrading to gutsy , digikam won't connect to my canon powershot sd200, it used to work very well, and now it won't even connect to the camera, its detected but won't connect to download the pics ...
[00:50] <ignoramus> donsdw: or just paste the single line for your resolution from my xorg.conf, and remove the hash mark
[00:51] <ignoramus> MrBallz: Can you browse the camera's files using Konqueror?
[00:51] <ignoramus> mrballz: or does your computer have a media reader?
[00:52]  * Tw|sT bows as he enters the dojo
[00:52] <donsdw> ignoramus:  Thanks for your help.  I really appreciate the time you took to help.
[00:52] <ignoramus> donsdw: i hope it works for you!
[00:53] <donsdw> I'm sure it will
[00:53] <ignoramus> donsdw: before you go....
[00:54]  * Tw|sT has been using Kubuntu 7.04 x64 for about a month, after using the i386 build for nearly 6 months... no longer bothers with Fedora
[00:54] <donsdw> Might have fixed mouse problem as well.
[00:54] <ignoramus> donsdw: as a last resort, you can reconfigure X (use ONLY if nothing else works, as it'll reset your xorg.conf file) - use " dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg "
[00:55] <flaccid> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg is good too
[00:55] <flaccid> iirc
[00:55] <ignoramus> flaccid: could be- never actually had to use it (yet)
[00:55] <flaccid> i think it takes out the extra stuff so its a basic config
[00:55] <ignoramus> even better!
[00:56] <ignoramus> the only reason i know any of this is because i've messed up my settings so many times!
[00:56] <donsdw> ignoramus: Got it.  I think I'm okay though.
[00:56] <flaccid> that used to be a pain back in the day when doing video with xfree86
[00:57] <ignoramus> flaccid: that's what i've heard... i've only been using linux for about 2 months.
[00:57] <flaccid> cool
[00:57] <ignoramus> i like it... but i tend to mess with settings too much ;)
[00:57] <flaccid> plus ati sux on *nix
[00:58] <ignoramus> flaccid: i know- i tried installing compiz the other day - forget it!
[00:58] <flaccid> yeah the xgl-server has big issues. i might try again but
[00:58] <Tw|sT> which ATI card are you using?
[00:58] <ignoramus> radeon 450, IIRC
[00:58] <flaccid> um radeon 9600
[00:58] <Tw|sT> I had good luck with a Radeon 9200
[00:58] <Munchkinguy> Hi, I'm having trouble with the "Save Stream" feature on Kaffeine.
[00:58] <ignoramus> crappy integrated card on old Vaio
[00:59] <Gannondorf> ignoramus: what kind of vaio
[00:59] <Gannondorf> I'm using one right now
[00:59] <Tw|sT> I haven't had any luck with integrated ATI's with Linux lately.
[00:59] <Tw|sT> even with NV's
[00:59] <flaccid> wow the fact that my country is the worlds largest polluter per capita made the news at the end for like 10 seconds, yay!
[00:59] <Munchkinguy> When I try to record a Network Stream, I get a "Security message: The specified save_dir might be a security risk." and a "Requested resource does not exist"
[00:59] <Gannondorf> Does anyone know how to restart the sound?
[01:00] <ignoramus> gannondorf: this one is pcgfrv37
[01:00] <Gannondorf> oh
[01:00] <ignoramus> gannondorf: i just installed Gutsy on my other one, vgnfs980
[01:00] <Gannondorf> ignoramus: mine is PCG9241
[01:00] <Gannondorf> 8 years old and still running
[01:00] <Gannondorf> It runs better than my desktop with Feisty
[01:01] <Tw|sT> nice
[01:01] <Tw|sT> :)
[01:01] <ignoramus> gannondorf: yeah, they're good for something! too slow with Windows, but runs OK with *nix
[01:01]  * Tw|sT resurrects a lot of older hardware
[01:01] <Gannondorf> I know exactly what youi mean
[01:01] <Gannondorf> I couldnt even use it with windows
[01:01] <Gannondorf> so damn slow
[01:01] <Tw|sT> brb... food calleth
[01:01] <ignoramus> gannondorf: my frv37 doesn't even have built-in wifi
[01:02] <Gannondorf> Me neither
[01:02] <ignoramus> luckily, kubuntu auto-detected the usb wireless on startup!
[01:02] <Gannondorf> I have linksys cared
[01:02] <Gannondorf> I can't get the battery monitor running on startup though
[01:02] <ignoramus> gannondorf: i use the frv37 as a media center in my basement (it's my "party room")
[01:03] <Gannondorf> hmm
[01:03] <ignoramus> gannondorf: the Sony version?
[01:03] <Gannondorf> I seriously need help though
[01:03] <ignoramus> you need "sonypi" drivers
[01:03] <Gannondorf> It worked with gnome
[01:03] <ignoramus> i've only ever had kde....
[01:03] <Gannondorf> although, it wouldnt tell me the amount remaining on the battery
[01:03] <ignoramus> (feisty for a couple of weeks, and gutsy for a little over a month)
[01:04] <Gannondorf> or the amount left until it charged
[01:04] <Gannondorf> I'm staying with feisty
[01:04] <ignoramus> do you have "power manager" installed?
[01:04] <Gannondorf> my hard drive is too small for anything else
[01:04] <Gannondorf> and yes
[01:04]  * Tw|sT still runs Fiesty on his IRC server
[01:04] <Tw|sT> it's solid
[01:04] <ignoramus> i can't wait for Heron
[01:04] <vit_> hola
[01:05] <flaccid> ubuntu server ouch
[01:05] <vit_> hi!
[01:05] <Gannondorf> alt+F2 graphic-power-manager
[01:05] <Gannondorf> alt+F2 guidance-power-manager
[01:06] <ignoramus> gannondorf: just dock it to panel
[01:06] <Gannondorf> cant
[01:06] <Gannondorf> nvm
[01:06] <Gannondorf> thats not the real problem
[01:06] <Gannondorf> my sound just stopped working
[01:06] <ignoramus> gannondorf: do you use alsa?
[01:06] <Gannondorf> alsa?
[01:07] <ignoramus> your sound server?
[01:07] <Gannondorf> ...
[01:07] <Gannondorf> duh?
[01:07] <ignoramus> try " sudo apt-get install alsa "
[01:07] <evjunior09> How do i install Beryl?
[01:07] <Tw|sT> I used a regular installation of Fiesty, x64, and then customized it's dev tools.  I'm not running apache on it, so that kills several avenues of vulnerability.  And... it's all sitting behind a pfSense (BSD based) router/firewall.
[01:07] <ignoramus> you probably already have it
[01:08] <BlueDevil> hi guys, i extended a lvm volume, how do i tell the kernel about it (i.e. to refresh the kernel info so it sees the extra space) ?
[01:08] <ubuntu__> what would happened if i dont setup a swap partition ?
[01:08] <ubuntu__> happen*
[01:08] <NickPresta> ubuntu__, how much RAM do you have?
[01:08] <lgkan> wont run without a swap
[01:09] <NickPresta> lgkan, I don't believe you _need_ a swap partition, but it's suggested
[01:09] <ignoramus> You can run without Swap, but it's not recommended unless you have like 2GB of RAM
[01:09] <Gannondorf> grr
[01:09] <Gannondorf> I mean
[01:09] <Gannondorf> It just didn t work at startup
[01:09] <Gannondorf> the sound i mean
[01:09] <evjunior09> anyone know how to install Beryl?
[01:09] <KittenOfWar> ubuntu__: Without a SWAP partition or similar, you'll quickly run out of memory and things will start to break.
[01:10] <NickPresta> ignoramus, ubuntu__, lgkan however, if you ever want to suspend to disk, a swap partition is suggested :)
[01:10] <evjunior09> !beryl
[01:10] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[01:10] <evjunior09> !compiz
[01:10] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:10] <ubuntu__> ok
[01:10] <ignoramus> gannondorf: your sound just stopped working?
[01:10] <KittenOfWar> NickPresta: without a swap, what happens when you've used all of your physical ram?
[01:10] <Gannondorf> ignoramus:yea
[01:10] <Tw|sT> evjunior09: use synaptic
[01:10] <Gannondorf> I'm gonna restart
[01:10] <Gannondorf> see if that works
[01:10] <Gannondorf> brb
[01:11] <lgkan> thats nice to know
[01:11] <NickPresta> KittenOfWar, can you ever see someone using 4GB of RAM with Kubuntu? You could always use a small swap file if you want.
[01:11] <NickPresta> but yes, I suggest you add a swap partition, ubuntu__
[01:12] <ignoramus> of course, if you had that much RAM, wouldnt you also have enough HDD space for a small swap? ;)
[01:12] <NickPresta> ignoramus, exactly ;)
[01:13] <NickPresta> I have 2GB of RAM and I still have a 2GB swap partition. I've yet to see my swap touched by anything except for creating a 100 000px square image (and maybe if I compiled OOo I would see swap usage) but it's better to be safe than sorry, especially since hard disk space is cheap
[01:13] <[ka]killer> humm
[01:14] <[ka]killer> the mouse is working for now
[01:14] <enzo_> What is the correct command for fsck?
[01:14] <[ka]killer> went out after leaving the doctor (was to dam packed) and couldnt find a decent one at either of the staples i went to
[01:14] <ubuntu__> NickPresta, ok
[01:15] <KittenOfWar> In KDE system guard, how do I set the memory usage graph to show megs instead of numbers like 2.07492e+06
[01:17] <Pitabred> ...you have a single process using 2GB of memory?
[01:17] <Pitabred> I'm not aware of any way to do what you're asking, but that doesn't seem like it's right
[01:17] <ubuntu__> !qparted
[01:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qparted - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:17] <Rukus> ignoramus:   thank you
[01:17] <ubuntu__> !qtparted
[01:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtparted - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:17] <ignoramus> rukus: does that work for you?
[01:17] <ignoramus> !gparted
[01:17] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type ┬½ sudo apt-get install gparted ┬╗ in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[01:18] <KittenOfWar> Pitabred: no, that's the maximum value
[01:18] <Pitabred> Oh, ok.  Yeah, sorry, not sure if it's possible without messing with the source code.
[01:18] <ubuntu__> tx
[01:18] <Rukus> thats a server is it not?
[01:18] <Rukus> i dont think it will
[01:18] <Rukus> i need a flashfxp clone
[01:19] <Tw|sT> try filezilla
[01:19] <Rukus> thanks
[01:19] <Rukus> damn 64bit
[01:19] <Tw|sT> it's available for both linux & win32
[01:20] <Rukus> 64bit linux?
[01:20] <ubuntu__> is it still difficult to run exe application on kubuntu
[01:20] <Tw|sT> yeah
[01:20] <Gannondorf> still not working
[01:20] <Tw|sT> I've got it on Fiesty x64
[01:20] <ignoramus> rukus: flashfxp will work with WINE
[01:21] <Gannondorf> ignoramus: help
[01:21] <Tw|sT> very trye
[01:21] <Tw|sT> err true
[01:21] <Gannondorf> sound still wont work after a reboot
[01:21] <Rukus> how did u install it?
[01:21] <Gannondorf> nvm
[01:21] <Gannondorf> fixed it
[01:21] <ignoramus> gannondorf: stupid question: your sound isn't muted, is it?  Sometimes, Gutsy starts up mutted on me
[01:21] <Gannondorf> yes...
[01:21] <Gannondorf> Wow
[01:22] <Gannondorf> I am dumb
[01:22] <ignoramus> haha!
[01:22] <KittenOfWar> so the +06 bit is just showing there's extra numbers?
[01:22] <Gannondorf> My Wave was muted
[01:22] <smorg> whats the best console based irc client these days? bitchx still? I notice It hasn't been updated in a while...
[01:22] <ignoramus> gannondorf: that got me more than once - it seems to do it at random times ;)
[01:22] <Gannondorf> I think I did it
[01:22] <Gannondorf> And then forgot to unmute
[01:23] <ignoramus> doh!
[01:23] <ignoramus> gannondorf: at least it's fixed and you'll remember next time ;)
[01:23] <Nuggit> hey, is there any way to drag and drop files to move (not copy) by default?
[01:23] <smorg> i've been using konversation for a long time, but its still nice to have a console one for when things decide to bork.
[01:23] <ignoramus> Nuggit: hold Shift
[01:23] <Rukus> ignoramus, i messed up my KDE menu, deleted the wine menu from it, does that matter?
[01:23] <yuriy> smorg: i use irssi, i think i'ts pretty popular
[01:23] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[01:24] <ignoramus> rukus: WINE doesn't have to be in your menu.  As long as it's installed
[01:24] <smorg> sweet i'll check that one out
[01:24] <Rukus> ok
[01:24] <Nuggit> is that the only way to do it? no setting?
[01:24] <yuriy> Nuggit: it usually gives you a menu..
[01:24] <Nuggit> I guess I should just get used to it :P
[01:24] <ignoramus> Nuggit: AFAIK, Shift is the way to go... i got used to it
[01:24] <Rukus> ok thanks, i am going to just use flashFXP
[01:24] <Nuggit> alright, thanks~
[01:25] <Rukus> i can run installers, to install it, just like windows? hey?
[01:25] <Tw|sT> smorg: bitchx still works great.  centericq is decent... sorta like a console version of mirandaIM with IRC support
[01:25] <ignoramus> rukus: yup.  that's what wine does :)
[01:25] <Tw|sT> ircii is very similar to bitchx...is it a branch?
[01:25] <ignoramus> rukus: fyi, your /home/ directory is usually listed as your "Z:" drive in WINE
[01:25] <Rukus> really...
[01:26] <Rukus> and z: drive is?
[01:26] <ignoramus> rukus: /home/ (as opposed to the C: directory it also lists)
[01:26] <Rukus> really
[01:26] <ignoramus> really. ;)
[01:26] <Rukus> ok
[01:26] <Rukus> hmm
[01:27] <Rukus> thanks!
[01:27] <ignoramus> your welcome!
[01:27] <ignoramus> *youre
[01:27] <ignoramus> gnite all!
[01:27] <Rukus> is reading/writing NTFS on my externa USB drie bad?
[01:27] <Rukus> drive
[01:27] <ignoramus> rukus: not bad at all
[01:27] <Rukus> someone said avoid it
[01:28] <Rukus> i also heard it has become rather reliable
[01:28] <Rukus> i got a 500gb external hd in NTFS and i am not about to change that to FAT
[01:29] <tekteen> Rukus: The NTFS drivers have gotten better
[01:29] <Rukus> i use what came with gutsy
[01:29] <tekteen> And those are the good drivers
[01:29] <Rukus> so i heard
[01:30] <hydrogen> well
[01:30] <hydrogen> what came with gutsy
[01:30] <hydrogen> is supposed to be readonly afaik
[01:30] <hydrogen> ntfs-3g is availible in gutsy
[01:30] <hydrogen> but it doesn't "come with" it
[01:31] <tekteen> yes it does
[01:31] <Rukus> oh
[01:31] <tekteen> I use it
[01:31] <Rukus> it was installed in mine already
[01:31] <tekteen> !info ntfs-3g
[01:31] <ubotu> ntfs-3g: read-write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component main, is standard. Version 1:1.913-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 23 kB, installed size 116 kB
[01:31] <ubuntu__> i have ntfs partitions and i cant format them , do i will have a probelm while using kubuntu
[01:31] <tekteen> it comes with it
[01:31] <tekteen> ubotu says so
[01:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about says so - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:32] <KittenOfWar> I had to get The Ultimate Boot CD to deal with NTFS drives
[01:32] <tekteen> the bot does not like people talking about him. lol
[01:32] <Rukus> weird
[01:32] <Rukus> i had no problem whatsoever reading/writing to NTFS
[01:32] <KittenOfWar> Seems people like taking them out without removing them properly
[01:32] <tekteen> According to the bot it comes standard
[01:32] <KittenOfWar> so I had to run chkdsk via that CD every time that happend.
[01:32] <Rukus> no problem getting it to read/write to my external drive either
[01:33] <tekteen> !info ntfs-3g
[01:33] <ubotu> ntfs-3g: read-write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component main, is standard. Version 1:1.913-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 23 kB, installed size 116 kB
[01:33] <KittenOfWar> ubuntu__: Nope,  you will be able to work with NTFS just fine.
[01:33] <Pitabred> There was an issue where the proper FUSE config files or whatever weren't put in the right directories, so you couldn't mount some NTFS drives.  I think that was only with beta versions of 7.10, thoughy
[01:33] <ubuntu__> KittenOfWar, ok
[01:33] <Pitabred> But it should be fixed for the official version
[01:34]  * Pitabred can't remember, he's been running the beta version for so long
[01:34] <tekteen> I have no problems
[01:34] <KittenOfWar> I couldn't mount NTFS drives that hadn't been ejected/in a system that shut down properly the last time it was used.
[01:36] <Rukus> i had to uncheck an option in my external USB drive's properties to get mine to work
[01:36] <Rukus> something about "users"
[01:38] <KittenOfWar> brb
[01:38] <KittenOfWar> .
[01:40] <KittenOfWar> .
[01:47] <ubuntu> why i get this while installing kubuntu
[01:48] <jimmybondo> I recently installed ebox on a home server, then decided it was not for me. I have now lost ssh access to the machine, any ideas on why this might be?
[01:49] <ubuntu> why i get this while installing kubuntu http://rafb.net/p/yiIxgy26.html
[01:49] <Tm_T> ubuntu: error says it all?
[01:49] <ubuntu> Tm_T, yes
[01:49] <Tm_T> ubuntu: read what I said ;)
[01:50] <ubuntu> oh
[01:50] <BluesKaj> seems the message needs to be followed ...there's good advice there
[01:50] <ubuntu> maybe if i reboot this would help
[01:50] <ubuntu> tx for the help
[01:50] <ubuntu> bye
[01:52] <KittenOfWar> "ubuntu: maybe if i reboot this would help"  or re-burn the CD at a slower speed...
[01:52] <KittenOfWar> and run the check CD bit before installing...
[01:52] <KittenOfWar> ah, he left, oops.
[01:53] <[ka]killer> hell
[01:53] <[ka]killer> kubuntu wont even detect my cd drive =/
[01:54] <[ka]killer> which is getting really anoying when i want to burn a cd
[01:54] <crackhead_25_> question: anyone know what the keystroke is to delete files without sending them to the trash bin first???
[01:54] <Tm_T> crackhead_25_: shift-del
[01:55] <Tm_T> crackhead_25_: see settings -> configure shortcuts
[01:55] <jimmybondo> Has anyone else here had a problem with dragging and dropping and compiz? It seems that whenever there is a QT program that uses drag and drop, KDE freezes up.
[01:56] <crackhead_25_> Tm_T: thanks
[01:57] <NickPresta> jimmybondo, nope, no problems here.
[01:57] <jimmybondo> NickPresta: What type of video card are you running?
[01:58] <Tm_T> crackhead_25_: also many apps has informational help pages, there's some interesting tips sometimes, worth checking ;)
[01:58] <sfire> well.. same command is for windows also
[01:58] <NickPresta> jimmybondo, a shiny 7900 GS :)
[01:59] <Tm_T> sfire: usually yes, who knows who came first
[01:59] <jimmybondo> NickPresta: Ah, well maybe it is my card, I am on an integrated intel on a thinkpad t43
[02:00] <[ka]killer> wireless isues?
[02:00] <[ka]killer> o video
[02:00] <NickPresta> jimmybondo, ask in #compiz-fusion. Perhaps it's a known bug?
[02:00] <jimmybondo> NickPresta: will do, thanks
[02:01] <dthacker-work> [ka]killer: I've solved several drive detection problems by making sure the device in question was master on it's IDE channel.
[02:02] <[ka]killer> dthacker-work, its not an ide cd drive, its external USB
[02:02] <[ka]killer> im on a tablet pc >.>
[02:03] <dthacker-work> [ka]killer: so much for the simple fix :)
[02:03] <[ka]killer> =P
[02:03] <[ka]killer> i dont know whats up
[02:03] <[ka]killer> festy had no problems with it
[02:03] <[ka]killer> i used it to install gusty
[02:04] <[ka]killer> and after that it was no longer getting detected
[02:04] <sfire> gutsy gave me problems too.. almost like a step backwards :(
[02:04] <dthacker-work> [ka]killer: have you filed a bug in Launchpad?
[02:04] <[ka]killer> im to lazy... and im not so sure its not some how my fault
[02:04] <[ka]killer> same here sfire
[02:05] <_aib> how can I print the version (Feisty/Gusty etc..) of ubuntu i'm presently on?
[02:05] <[ka]killer> soon as i went to gusty xine got all f***** up
[02:05] <sfire> [ka]killer: same problem here :(
[02:05] <sfire> and mplayer sucks
[02:05] <dthacker-work> If no one points out the regressions, they never get fixed.......
[02:05] <[ka]killer> so im stuck with mplayer
[02:06] <[ka]killer> dthacker-work, i suck at filing bug reports
[02:06] <[ka]killer> i can get "device X does not work, fix it"
[02:06] <[ka]killer> thats about it
[02:06] <[ka]killer> not good with details >.>
[02:07] <dthacker-work> _aib: at the command line, lsb_release -a
[02:08]  * dthacker-work sighs.
[02:09] <dthacker-work> !version
[02:09] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type ┬½ lsb_release -a ┬╗ in a !shell
[02:09] <dthacker-work> good, it's there.
[02:10] <KittenOfWar> There's a reasion gutsy isn't a LTS :P
[02:11] <charlie> .server WhatNET
[02:11] <dthacker-work> and thats' why bug reports are needed, because we want to fix things before Hardy, which is LTS
[02:14] <KittenOfWar> huh
[02:14] <KittenOfWar> right click>what's this in configure KDE panel on the transparency option tells you about the tool tips check box.
[02:15] <smorg> hmm... this is kind of an idiot question, but how does apt-get manage versions? If i am compiling something from source, and then make install, does that somehow interfere with older versions of the same thing installed from a debian package? Or does apt work with compiled packages somehow?
[02:16] <Jucato> smorg: apt-get has no knowledge of software you installed by compiling
[02:17] <smorg> Jucato: yeah that makes sense, thats what I figured.
[02:17] <rysiek|pl> czemu mam wra┼╝enie, ┼╝e gutsy ssie?
[02:17] <rysiek|pl> oops wrong channel
[02:17] <rysiek|pl> sorry
[02:17] <Jucato> :/
[02:17] <smorg> so how would one go about managing multiple versions of things installed from source?
[02:17] <Dragnslcr> Very carefully
[02:17] <smorg> you just have to know the dependancies and uninstall things manually?
[02:18] <dthacker-work> smorg: depending on where the executables land, you could install them in separate subdirs and create a symbolic link to the working version
[02:18] <Jucato> you can't use apt to manage then that's for sure
[02:19] <smorg> very interesting.
[02:19] <Jucato> smorg: the cleanest way is to install things that you compile on a different location (/usr/local/ or in your $HOME) and add that location to your $PATH
[02:19] <smorg> so how does kde know how to execute things? How are binaries regestered with the shell?
[02:20] <Jucato> (as well as other necessary paths like LD_LIBRARY_PATH, etc)
[02:20] <Jucato> smorg: they aren't "registered" with the shell
[02:20] <dthacker-work> smorg: the shell searches your $PATH
[02:20] <Jucato> that's right
[02:20] <smorg> ah
[02:20] <smorg> so every executable has an environment variable associated
[02:21] <Jucato> no
[02:21] <Jucato> smorg: everytime you try to run a program, the shell tries to search for the program name in the directories included in the $PATH environment variable
[02:22] <dthacker-work> smorg: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-969.html
[02:22] <Jucato> this is a "global" env var. (type "echo $PATH" to see what it contains)
[02:22] <ardchoille> Jucato: Missed you, glad to see you're back.
[02:22] <Jucato> hi ardchoille
[02:22] <Jucato> thanks
[02:22] <Jucato> !b-e
[02:22] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:22] <Jucato> hm.. that doesn't include that info... oh well...
[02:24] <smorg> ah... so unlike windows where everything gets put into a centeral regestry, linux will search for things if you don't know its location
[02:24] <Jucato> smorg: it will search for it in its $PATH unless you specify the exact location
[02:25] <Jucato> (which is why you run some scripts/programs with ./program_name, with ./ meaning "in this current directory")
[02:26] <smorg> ah
[02:26] <smorg> I'm just trying to get this hello world I made in kdevelop working
[02:27] <smorg> this is so cool ^^
[02:27] <Jucato> command line Hello World or KDE Hello World?
[02:27] <smorg> kde, i'm trying to work with qt :-/
[02:27] <smorg> maybe i'll start simpler
[02:27] <Jucato> ah
[02:28] <ubuntu> i need to mount ntfs partition
[02:28] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g
[02:28] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:29] <ubuntu> Jucato, hey jucato
[02:29] <Jucato> hi
[02:29] <rysiek|pl> hum
[02:30] <rysiek|pl> am I the only one here thinking that gutsy was *definitely* released to early, being not polished enough?
[02:30] <rysiek|pl> *too
[02:30] <Dragnslcr> Yup
[02:30] <rysiek|pl> darn
[02:31] <ardchoille> rysiek|pl: I like it
[02:31] <Jucato> you'll always find some people who'll agree with you, and some people who won't
[02:31] <dthacker-work> rysiek|pl: perfection is *always* one release away! :)
[02:32] <rysiek|pl> ardchoille: aesthetically it's ok; but try to et-up two monitours + bt mouse + bt keyboard...
[02:32] <Jucato> s/release/decade/
[02:32] <rysiek|pl> yeah, I know
[02:32] <dthacker-work> jucato: ++
[02:32] <rysiek|pl> I am using *buntu for a few years now (since 4.10)
[02:32] <Jucato> I'm a programming language now? O.o
[02:32] <Dragnslcr> Bluetooth can still be a bit flaky, but I highly doubt that delaying Gutsy for a month would have helped it
[02:32] <Jucato> / start of Jucato++
[02:32] <Jucato> // start of Jucato++
[02:32] <ardchoille> rysiek|pl: I can't see the need for more than one monitor/mouse/kb </opinion>
[02:32] <dthacker-work> rysiek|pl: I have kubuntu running on two monitors using NVIDIA
[02:33] <rysiek|pl> ardchoille: that's not the pooint. some need it, some don't; but under feisty it worked AOK
[02:33]  * Gannondorf is listening to Into The Night (Featuring Chad Kroeger) by Santana [Amarok]
[02:33] <Dragnslcr> My mouse and keyboard usually work, but I'm definitely going away from Bluetooth for them the next time I get new ones
[02:34] <ardchoille> Gannondorf: Please turn off that script
[02:34] <rysiek|pl> dthacker-work: me too, right now. screen1 is randr-rotated right, and kicker+kwin+kdesktop... well... make fuss
[02:34] <cash-home> Hello ,please help me ! I need to know  sound what the sound card I have - when I type "lsmod |grep snd" I cant understand where is the name of my card =( please help me ?
[02:34] <Dragnslcr> It would be nice if KMobileTools supported Samsung phones, though
[02:34] <Jucato> ardchoille: it's not an auto script :)
[02:34] <ardchoille> Jucato: Oh, ok.. well, it's annoying in this channel.
[02:34] <dthacker-work> !pastebin | cash-home
[02:34] <ubotu> cash-home: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:34] <Jucato> ardchoille: if he does it more than once, yes. :)
[02:35] <dthacker-work> cash-home: can you paste it there for us and give us the URL, please?
[02:35] <rysiek|pl> besides, what's with the "There's a new version available"? got it on a few machines now.
[02:35] <cash-home> dthacker-work sure - wait a minute
[02:35] <rysiek|pl> ah, nvm, rant, rant ;)
[02:35]  * rysiek|pl is digging his way through gutsy's quirks
[02:35] <Jucato> rysiek|pl: yeah. known bug
[02:36] <cash-home> dthacker-work http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44571/
[02:37] <Dragnslcr> Hasn't that bug been fixed for a couple weeks now?
[02:38] <rysiek|pl> Dragnslcr: well, the ISOs haven't been up[dated, it seems
[02:38] <Dragnslcr> Well no, of course they aren't going to post new disc images
[02:39] <cash-home> Some one people here , can help me ?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/445
[02:39] <rysiek|pl> Dragnslcr: well, then everybody will get "there is a new version available" each time they install Kubuntu :)
[02:39] <Dragnslcr> But if you've updated everything from the repositories, you should have the fixed version of Adept
[02:39] <cash-home> sorry http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44571/
[02:39] <rysiek|pl> Dragnslcr: aye; but it gets you everytime after installation
[02:40] <rysiek|pl> Dragnslcr: if you're an advanced user, it's aok, if not, well, you get confused
[02:40] <rysiek|pl> I think this one time new ISOs should get posted
[02:40] <dthacker-work> cash-home: that tells you which modules are loaded not the name of your card.... hang on
[02:41] <dthacker-work> cash-home: try looking at this step by step....http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[02:41] <cash-home> dthacker-work thnx
[02:42] <cash-home> dthacker-work but Im soory ,I have sound I need name of vy card for other things
[02:43] <dthacker-work> cash-home: the first command: aplay -l, will give you a complete list of sound devices in your system.
[02:44] <crimsun> (`asoundconf list` is preferred)
[02:44] <crimsun> (or `cat /proc/asound/cards`, which the former parses)
[02:44] <dthacker-work> crimsun: tnx, noted!
[02:44]  * rysiek|pl crosses his fingers - compiz --replace...
[02:44]  * Jucato learned a new command :)
[02:44]  * Tm_T rushes in to see nice crash
[02:44] <rysiek|pl> hmm
[02:45] <rysiek|pl> :/
[02:45] <Jucato> asound... thesound :)
[02:45] <rysiek|pl> works... no fun-hacking today :/
[02:45] <rysiek|pl> ;)
[02:45]  * dthacker-work watches helplessly as compiz claims another victim
[02:45] <dthacker-work> rysiek|pl will spend all night spinning around his windows....
[02:46] <dthacker-work> :)
[02:46] <ubuntu_> why i get this error ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/win -o force,locale=en_EN.UTF-8
[02:46] <ubuntu_> sory
[02:46] <ubuntu_> this one hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 999
[02:46] <ubuntu_> when i do mount tp the ntfs partitions from dolphin
[02:46] <rysiek|pl> dthacker-work: ummm... well, I'm with 3ddesktop for a few years now. starting with the "3ddesk" app back "in the days of yore" before compiz ;)
[02:46] <NickPresta> I find CF to act a lot more stable with the superfluous plugins disabled.
[02:46] <dthacker-work> rysiek|pl: so the thrill is gone? ;)
[02:47] <rysiek|pl> dthacker-work: are you kidding? :]
[02:47] <Tm_T> what thrill?
[02:47]  * rysiek|pl weeeeeees the desktop cube
[02:47] <ubuntu_> hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 999, why i get this
[02:47] <rysiek|pl> *wheeees that is
[02:47] <dthacker-work> heh
[02:48]  * Tm_T got bored to whole "3d desktop" in 2 mins
[02:48]  * rysiek|pl likes eye candy and usability - both well-represented by compiz
[02:48] <Tm_T> I like usability, and right candy
[02:52] <Tm_T> rysiek|pl: like, hrrr, http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[02:54] <steveie> penis
[02:55] <Tm_T> steveie: excuse moi?
[02:55] <NickPresta> steveie, what about it?  I'll try to get you a screenshot when I get everything the way I had on feisty
[02:57] <rysiek|pl> steve, stevie, steve-o - anybody seen "Inside Man"?
[02:59] <rysiek|pl_> d'oh
[02:59] <rysiek|pl_> ip changed
[03:00] <jtt> anyone know what is rewritng /etc/fstab on each boot
[03:01] <crimsun> what are you changing, and to what is fstab(5) reverting?
[03:01] <dthacker-work> jtt: depends on what is changing.  specific example?
[03:02] <jtt> changing  UUID type boot  to  /dev/sdaX  type boot
[03:03] <jtt> commenting out the UUID boot and  adding   /dev/sdaX  ...   line
[03:03] <jtt> something is changing my  /dev/sdaX  boots back to UUID  type entrys
[03:06] <dthacker-work> jtt:I *think* this is done by the kernel at boot.  UUID is now used to identify the filesystems.  Is it causing a problem?
[03:08] <dthacker-work> and anybody who knows more than me is welcome to chime in.....
[03:08] <jtt> dthacker-work, well i wanted to mount by  /dev/sdaX  but perhaps I will try  altering the mount point using the UUID and see what happend
[03:08] <jtt> see what happens
[03:09] <ardchoille> !uuid
[03:09] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: ┬½ sudo blkid ┬╗ (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[03:12] <cmacis> !script
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about script - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <cmacis> !command
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about command - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <cmacis> right, the bot is clueless :) where do I put a script for it to show up as a command?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> !shell
[03:13] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[03:13] <nonewmsgs> is libdvdcss2 a part of restricted-extras?
[03:13] <Jucato> no
[03:14] <BluesKaj> nonewmsgs, don't think so, I've always just installed the individual app
[03:14] <Jucato> it's definitely not part of it
[03:15] <nonewmsgs> it's hard to find the individual app.  it wont install with synaptic or apt-get.  i found a link to a deb in the forum, but i ts i86 and i want x64
[03:15] <BluesKaj> !restricted-extras
[03:15] <dthacker-work> perhaps at medibuntu?
[03:15] <Jucato> !libdvdcss
[03:15] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:15] <titanix88> cmacis:lookup for $PATH and anywhere listed there.
[03:16] <BluesKaj> nonewmsgs, I have 64 bit , just make sure your sources.list is totally enabled
[03:16] <cmacis> ta
[03:17] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic | nonewmsgs
[03:17] <ubotu> nonewmsgs: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:17]  * rysiek|pl_ says g'night
[03:17] <rysiek|pl_> cu all
[03:18] <dthacker-work> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:18] <dthacker-work> argh
[03:18] <titanix88> cma?!?
[03:18] <titanix88> cma?!?
[03:18] <nonewmsgs> thanks guys.  i will try that out and if it doesn't work ill be back harassing you tomorrow night
[03:27] <ira_> newbie how do i resolve this confiict in adapt? "errors were encountered when processing" libqt3-mt kdesudo
[03:27] <SweetWilliam> Greetings - can anybody answer a question about wireless?
[03:27] <BluesKaj> !wireless | SweetWilliam
[03:27] <ubotu> SweetWilliam: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:28] <SweetWilliam> Thanks - but let me run this one by you - had Feisty working fine - upgraded today to Gutsy and now it says I need the linux-restricted-modules in order to recognize my wireless interface. Installed via sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules - but still doesn't see the interface.  Ideas?
[03:30] <harolddong_> does anybody know of a way to organize contacts in kopete by status?
[03:30] <dthacker-work> SweetWilliam: have your rebooted since you installed the modules?
[03:30] <KittenOfWar> SweetWilliam: did you run restricted-manager-kde and check the box for your NIC?
[03:30] <SweetWilliam> Yes
[03:30] <jtt> thanks folks  the  UUID mount problem is fixed just changed the mount point and the kernel likes that ok
[03:30] <SweetWilliam> When I try to run restricted manager, it tells me I need to install the linux-restricted-modules, but I already installed them.
[03:30] <dthacker-work> jtt: great, enjoy
[03:31] <jtt> yes thanks
[03:31] <KittenOfWar> is it the latest version?
[03:31] <ira_> newbie how do i resolve this confiict in adapt? "errors were encountered when processing" libqt3-mt kdesudo I think I will remove the lib
[03:31] <SweetWilliam> Well I'm not sure - I just ran apt-get install... I'll check the version.
[03:32] <ira_> I think this was a very very wrong move
[03:32] <KittenOfWar> SweetWilliam: also check your sources, make sure you've got the gutsy ones enabled and the feisty disabled
[03:33] <KittenOfWar> IRA, did you read what errors they where?
[03:33] <SweetWilliam> OK - thanks Kitten.
[03:33] <KittenOfWar> argh
[03:33] <ira_> they were what I wrote
[03:33] <dthacker-work> ira_, are you sure you don't have adept running twice?
[03:33] <ira_> yes
[03:33] <ira_> now it looks like it is removing kde
[03:34] <ira_> adn adapt is hung
[03:34] <MilitantTater> probably, a lot depends on kdesudo
[03:34] <ira_> well looks like I might have permanently bollixed my install
[03:35] <MilitantTater> libqt3-mt: This is the Trolltech Qt library, version 3. It's necessary for applications that link against the libqt-mt.so.3, e.g. all KDE3 applications
[03:36] <MilitantTater> Yea you've hosed KDE, see if ya can re-install it.
[03:36] <ira_> i think i need to
[03:36] <dthacker-work> ow.
[03:36] <MilitantTater> it's probably removing every KDE application aswell.
[03:36] <ira_> hwo do I open a terminal no more icons
[03:36] <ira_> yup exactly right
[03:36] <MilitantTater> ctrl alt F1
[03:36] <ira_> nope
[03:37] <ira_> maybe this is suoer bollixed
[03:37] <ira_> super
[03:37] <MilitantTater> does apt-get work?
[03:37] <ira_> ok i can get to a run comand
[03:38] <MilitantTater> sudo apt-get install KDE
[03:38] <ira_> nope
[03:38] <MilitantTater> wait
[03:38] <MilitantTater> adept
[03:38] <MilitantTater> havn't used adept...
[03:38] <ira_> oh here is the situation
[03:38] <ira_> no terminal
[03:39] <ira_> run command is aval
[03:39] <MilitantTater> any synaptic?
[03:39] <ira_> couldnot run specified command
[03:39] <ira_> interesting!
[03:40] <MilitantTater> does KDE use apt-get?
[03:40] <ira_> yes
[03:41] <MilitantTater> sudo aptitude install KE
[03:41] <MilitantTater> sudo aptitude install KDE
[03:41] <MilitantTater> maybe
[03:42] <ira_> "could not run specified command"
[03:42] <MilitantTater> is the sudo bit causing problems?
[03:42] <ira_> looks like it but cant be sure
[03:42] <ira_> I am admin
[03:43] <ardchoille> there is no package named "KDE"
[03:43] <ira_> well we arent even getting that far
[03:43] <ardchoille> What are you trying to install? the kde desktop?
[03:43] <ira_> I blew out kde by accident
[03:44] <MilitantTater> He uninstalled kdesu and...
[03:44] <ira_> so I am in a 1/2 kde system
[03:44] <MilitantTater> libqt3-mt
[03:44] <ardchoille> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[03:44] <ira_> I thing once i exit i I cant fix it i wont get back in
[03:44] <MilitantTater> he's saying apt-get won't launch...
[03:45] <ardchoille> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ?
[03:45] <ira_> right
[03:45] <ira_> sudo apt-get install apt-get (laffing)
[03:45] <MilitantTater> heh.
[03:45] <ardchoille> If you took out APT, then you're screwed because apt-get, aptitude, adept, synaptic all use apt as the back end
[03:46] <ira_> didnt take out apt
[03:46] <ardchoille> Try aptitude
[03:46] <ira_> all i tool out was libqt3-mt
[03:46] <ira_> same difference with aptitude
[03:46] <MilitantTater> libqt3-mt is a core part of KDE from what synaptic said
[03:46] <ira_> can find the commands
[03:46] <ira_> can't
[03:46] <ira_> so then I am screwed
[03:47] <ira_> It is reinstall a thon
[03:47] <ardchoille> ira_: Before you reinstall, it might be wise to understand what you did so you don't do it again
[03:47] <ardchoille> ira_: Were you logged in as root?
[03:47] <ira_> Oh i now ehat I did
[03:47] <ira_> yes
[03:47] <ira_> I am root
[03:48] <ardchoille> That was your first mistake
[03:48] <ardchoille> !sudo
[03:48] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:48] <ira_> no I am not logged in as root
[03:48] <ira_> I know that
[03:48] <ardchoille> ok
[03:48] <ira_> what happed is the the update had a conflick adn couldnt complete
[03:49] <ira_> I iwll show you what the origional message was
[03:49] <ardchoille> ira_: Why would it have a conflict? You aren't using automatix or 3rd party repos are you?
[03:49] <ira_> how do i resolve this confiict in adapt? "errors were encountered when processing" libqt3-mt kdesudo
[03:50] <ira_> no i think it started when i was putting in one of the big video editing programs
[03:50] <ardchoille> And how were you doing that?
[03:50] <ira_> so I made the wrong assumption that libqt3-mt was a quicktime lib
[03:51] <ira_> via adapt
[03:51] <hernan> hola
[03:51] <MilitantTater> hey.
[03:51] <hernan> como va?
[03:51] <ira_> So i guess it is reinstall time
[03:51] <ardchoille> ira_: yes, but which repo? If you have a bad repo, it can screw things up
[03:52] <ardchoille> !es | hernan
[03:52] <ubotu> hernan: Si busca ayuda en Espa├▒ol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all├Ł obtendr├Ī mas ayuda.
[03:52] <ira_> oh i thinkk it is a standard one
[03:52] <hernan>  ok, thenks
[03:52] <ira_> I cant remember the program
[03:52] <hernan> thanks
[03:52] <MilitantTater> couldn't he get apt-get from a deb?
[03:52] <ira_> kdenlive
[03:52] <ira_> but i use the restricted repositories
[03:52] <ardchoille> MilitantTater: That would likely lead him into dependency hell
[03:52] <MilitantTater> or some other way of manually installing it?
[03:53] <ardchoille> !repair
[03:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about repair - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <ira_> or the restricted drivers
[03:53] <ira_> well I think busted is busted
[03:53] <ira_> chalk one up!
[03:54] <BluesKaj> !Broken Packages
[03:54] <MilitantTater> he was trying to install the latest restricted drivers modules, I'm fairly sure he has the wrong repos
[03:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about broken packages - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:54] <BluesKaj> !info-broken package
[03:54] <MilitantTater> !rescue
[03:54] <ubotu> To rescue a broken system, boot the alternate install CD and select "Rescue a broken system"
[03:54] <BluesKaj> dumb bot
[03:55] <ira_> So we agree no hope?
[03:55] <ardchoille> ira_: do you have the alternate install cd?
[03:55] <ira_> no
[03:55] <BluesKaj> sacktime folks ...take care
[03:55] <MilitantTater> Night
[03:55] <ira_> i can make one
[03:55] <ira_> but i can also juts reinstall
[03:55] <MilitantTater> ira_: are you dual booting?
[03:55] <ira_> this is a vmware
[03:55] <ira_> nope
[03:56] <ira_> vmware
[03:56] <ira_> <loved vmware
[03:56] <MilitantTater> heh, snag an alternate CD anyway, they're very usefull.
[03:56] <ardchoille> yes, they are
[03:56] <ira_> will do
[03:56] <MilitantTater> the LiveCD is just for ease of use
[03:56] <ardchoille> When I download the new release, I always torrent the desktop and alternate cd's
[03:57] <MilitantTater> What's the liveCD good for over the alternate?
[03:57] <ardchoille> ira_: Also, you might think about imaging
[03:57] <ira_> ok well I am tired I think I will juts move over a vmware image form anothe rmachine
[03:57] <ardchoille> ira_: You can make a disk image of your system so you can restore it in case of emergency, I use PartImage for that: http://sysresccd.org
[03:58] <ira_> i think i can also take a vmware picture
[03:58] <ardchoille> I use about 10Gb of my 80Gb drive and partimage compresses that down to a 900Mb tarball. Making the image takes about 15 mins and restoring it takes about 12 mins
[03:58] <ira_> hey I didnt break foxpro!
[03:59] <ira_> sorry firefox
[03:59] <ardchoille> firefox doesn't use qt3
[03:59] <ira_> so what must I remove to break that too! ;-)
[03:59] <ardchoille> haha
[04:00] <ira_> ok thanks peoples
[04:00] <ira_> I am going to drop a new image on this machine
[04:01] <MilitantTater> how can I make my wife's "win" key open the K menu?
[04:01] <ira_> get a new wife?
[04:01] <ira_> allways worked for me
[04:01] <ardchoille> MilitantTater: I'd like to learn that too. I currently use alt+f1
[04:01] <draik> What can I use to record my desktop? I am playing a game in WINE and it didn't pick up on the changes on the screen. Whenever my mouse moved over a section, that is when it updated.
[04:01] <MilitantTater> I can't, she'll take my car :(
[04:01] <ira_> thats an imoportant point
[04:02] <ira_> less its a ratty car
[04:02] <MilitantTater> it is, but it's my baby
[04:02] <ira_> what is ti
[04:02] <MilitantTater> 1990 caprice :)
[04:02] <ardchoille> !keymap
[04:02] <MilitantTater> I'm 6'9" so I need a big car, and she rides like a sofa.
[04:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keymap - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:02] <ira_> trade for a wife with a bimmer
[04:03] <ira_> ok convertable
[04:03] <Ahmuck> i'm looking for a good remote control program for a user who does not know how to install software
[04:03] <ira_> I am going to get a wife with a Bugatti
[04:04] <dthacker-work> !offtopic
[04:04] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:04] <ira_> sorry howdo you install bugatti on kubuntu
[04:04] <ira_> night all
[04:05] <dthacker-work> !vnc| Ahmuck
[04:05] <ubotu> Ahmuck: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[04:10] <MilitantTater> grr, it won't register the win key as a keypress
[04:10] <ardchoille> MilitantTater: yeah, I just tried it. I'm searching the wiki right now
[04:13] <dthacker-work> what action is that?
[04:14] <MilitantTater> ?
[04:14] <Ahmuck> realvnc, but you think my dad could click and install on windows?
[04:14] <MilitantTater> the KDE menu or the keypress?
[04:16] <MilitantTater> ardchoille: I'm about to try this http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/2005/05/27/miss-the-win-key-in-linux-use-kde/
[04:18] <ardchoille> MilitantTater: Thanks, that looks like it'll work
[04:19] <MilitantTater> it did
[04:19] <MilitantTater> :D
[04:19] <MilitantTater> ah that's a beautiful thing.
[04:19] <MilitantTater> now to find white out and a blue magic marker to change it to the K key.
[04:19] <ardchoille> Nice
[04:19] <ardchoille> hehe
[04:20] <ardchoille> draw tux on it
[04:21] <dthacker-work> where's the control center located?
[04:22] <ardchoille> dthacker-work: alt+f2, type in kcontrol
[04:23] <dthacker-work> ha! I learn something every day.
[04:25] <dthacker-work> sweet!
[04:29] <cmacis> aww, it's not working for me.
[04:29] <MilitantTater> well
[04:29] <MilitantTater> that broke win+d and all
[04:29] <MilitantTater> guess I'll set right win to open the K menu
[04:30] <cmacis> I'm getting ├”├¤┬½┬╗┬ó@┼ée┬Č┬Č─æ├¤─æŌåÉ─¦─¦ŌåÉ─¦ sort of symbols from winkey and letters though
[04:32] <dxdt> if using gutsy, will installing the package kde4base-dev get you the latest beta of KDE 4 or just the beta that was around when gutsy was released?
[04:33] <ardchoille> dxdt: kde4 in the repos is updated, so it should be fairly current
[04:34] <dxdt> oh interesting, thanks
[04:34] <flaccid> !kde4
[04:34] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[04:34] <flaccid> so like how to install kde4?
[04:34] <ardchoille> flaccid: See the topic
[04:35] <flaccid> ok
[04:35] <ardchoille> flaccid: It's beta, so don't expect it to be perfect
[04:38] <maduser> When making a splash image do you need to have a bar at the bottom that has the images?
[04:38] <flaccid> im not a user that expects beta to be perfect, thats stupid
[04:39] <maduser> ?
[04:40] <maduser> my question?
[04:42] <maduser> !GIMP
[04:42] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[04:43] <MilitantTater> argh
[04:43] <MilitantTater> how do you remove modifyers?
[04:43] <maduser> !modifyers
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modifyers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <maduser> !modifiers
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modifiers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:44] <maduser> !modifiers
[04:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modifiers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> I dont even know what yoyu mean  b y modifires
[04:48] <MilitantTater> keyboard modifiers
[04:49] <maduser> !keyboard modifiers
[04:50] <sfire> anyone using a verizon or cingular mobile broadband card?
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> You are refering to GIMP keyboard modifieers for selection and other tools?
[04:52] <MilitantTater> X Modifier Mapping
[04:52] <hgarcia> How do you change the boot sequence in grub?
[04:52] <MilitantTater> edit grub :)
[04:52] <MilitantTater> !grup
[04:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grup - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:52] <MilitantTater> !grub
[04:52] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:52] <sub[t]rnl> modify the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:52] <Dr_Willis> hgarcia the grub menu.lst  has one entry for each menu ite,
[04:53] <MilitantTater> Dr_Willis: Does that help explain what I'm after?
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> if you want windows at the front, you can move (or uncomment the example) thats above the 'auto created' entries.
[04:53] <hgarcia> thanks
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> MilitantTater cant say that ive ever had to mess with those.  Other then perhaps years ago to get extra mouse buttons doing stuff
[04:54] <MilitantTater> Ok, I'll keep digging on google
[05:07] <jia> It this a English irc channel ?
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> yes
[05:09] <jia> why not speak ?
[05:09] <Pollywog> if I want to install gutsy with the LVM encryption, do I need to put everything in one partition?
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> I havent tried that Pollywog - You may want to check the forums. I do recall there beingf some  things to watch out for with the encryption feature
[05:10] <Pollywog> I got a red screen when I tried to install xubuntu so I am trying kubuntu
[05:10] <Pollywog> Dr_Willis: ty
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure you want to put /boot encrypted either.
[05:10] <Pollywog> yes that is why I asked
[05:10] <Pollywog> I want to leave /boot out
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> Im not paranoud enough to use encryption :)
[05:11] <Pollywog> I guess I will install without the encryption until there is better documentation of it
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> you could apways make /home seperate and enctypte it later
[05:11] <scheater5_> Pollywog: why do you want the whole install encrypted, anyway?
[05:11] <Pollywog> I am doing that
[05:11] <scheater5_> who?
[05:11] <scheater5_> lol - I mean why?
[05:11] <Pollywog> scheater5_: just /home
[05:12] <Pollywog> I only want /home encrypted
[05:12] <jia> Who can tell me how to scorll use curses.h
[05:12] <scheater5_> bogs the whole the down from what I hear.  I haven't tried to do it myself, but consensus seems to be that encrypting individual files is more efficient and practical
[05:12] <Pollywog> scheater5_: oic
[05:13] <jia> i want scorll down and up but the text in window will be clean
[05:14] <jia> i do not want eraser it
[05:14] <jia> I want it seems like a text editor
[05:15] <jia> my mean is i want write a editor ,How to program with c?
[05:15] <jia> use curses
[05:16] <jia> I can not find more doc in china
[05:16] <jia> who can help me?
[05:17] <Jucato> jia: this isn't the channel for that. perhaps you can ask in ##c
[05:17] <jia> I am sorry for my poor English
[05:17] <Jucato> you can also probably ask for suggestions from the people in #ubuntu-cn
[05:18] <jia> Jucato : thank you
[05:18] <jia> Jucato: I think ##C is good for me
[05:19] <Pollywog> oic my xubuntu CD is indeed corrupted
[05:21] <Pollywog> that will teach me to do md5sum always
[05:23] <scheater5_> ah yes - md5sum, how we ignore thee until a CD doesn't work.  I feel your pain
[05:34] <draik> How do I set Kopete to use Spell Check on every conversation?
[05:35] <Jucato> that's the annoying part. afaik you can't :)
[05:37] <draik> :(
[05:37] <draik> I know I did it on my laptop, but it was only for one chat
[05:37] <Jucato> draik: you can try asking in #kopete to be sure
[05:39] <draik> Why won't a Kubuntu Gutsy save the gateway for the connection.
[05:40] <draik> Every time I go to check the gateway, it's blank
[05:53] <calamari> hi
[05:53] <calamari> I'm running feisty.. just wondering if kubuntu gutsy went all compiz crazy or is that just for gnome?
[05:54] <Jucato> !compiz
[05:54] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:54] <calamari> excellent
[05:54] <calamari> hope it stays that way :)
[06:24] <sn00zer> does anyone here use virtualbox?
[06:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> but of course
[06:26] <sn00zer> i don't know how to start it, i'm a noob
[06:26] <sn00zer> ~/vbox/out/linux.x86/release/bin$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./VirtualBox
[06:26] <sn00zer> i can get it with that command, but isn't there an easier way?
[06:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> menu > system > innotek virtualbox
[06:27] <sn00zer> hmmm, its not on there
[06:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> how did you install it?
[06:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> via the repos?  or debs from the site?
[06:27] <sn00zer> from a tarball
[06:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> !info virtualbox
[06:27] <ubotu> Package virtualbox does not exist in gutsy
[06:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> hrmm.
[06:28] <sn00zer> i tried the repos but it didn't find it
[06:28] <sn00zer> i'm using fiesty btw
[06:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> what you can do is edit the kmenu and add an entry for it
[06:29] <sn00zer> i don't really use the kmenu much, i typically use alt+f2, how can i get it to show up there?
[06:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> no clue
[06:30] <contrast83> sn00zer: you could put a script in your path containing that command, then just run the script from Alt+F2
[06:30] <sn00zer> ok, another question not related to virtualbox
[06:31] <sn00zer> in my path?
[06:31] <contrast83>  /usr/bin, for example
[06:31] <sn00zer> ok
[06:31] <sn00zer> so how do i make a script?
[06:32] <contrast83> Alt+F2 -> kate
[06:32] <sn00zer> ok
[06:33] <sn00zer> then what?
[06:33] <contrast83> actually, my mistake. sorry, close kate, then Alt+F2 -> kdesudo kate
[06:33] <sn00zer> ok
[06:33] <Jucato> O.o
[06:34] <contrast83> "#!/bin/bash" on the first line, then "~/vbox/out/linux.x86/release/bin$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./VirtualBox" on the second, <Enter>, save to /usr/bin/virtualbox.sh
[06:34] <contrast83> the Konsole -> sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/virtualbox.sh
[06:34] <sn00zer> can i leave it as ~/vbox or do i need the full path?
[06:35] <contrast83> ~/vbox should be fine. if you want other users to be able to use it, you'd want to put the full path.
[06:35] <sn00zer> ok
[06:35] <contrast83> Any reason you don't use Katapult, BTW? :-)
[06:35] <sn00zer> whats katapult?
[06:36] <contrast83> Alt+Space
[06:36] <contrast83> then Ctrl+C to configure it
[06:36] <sn00zer> not getting anything....
[06:37] <contrast83> Hrm. You running Compiz?
[06:37] <sn00zer> i installed ubuntu then added kdesktop package
[06:37] <sn00zer> yep
[06:37] <purpleposeidon> !mysql
[06:37] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[06:37] <sn00zer> or beryl i suppose
[06:37] <contrast83> Compiz steals the Alt+Space shortcut. You'll need to unassign it in CCSM, then log out and back in to KDE
[06:38] <contrast83> Wait, you just installed kdesktop? Or kubuntu-desktop?
[06:38] <sn00zer> what if i change wm via beryl manager?
[06:38] <sn00zer> kubuntu-desktop, its been awhile since i've seen the name
[06:38] <contrast83> Yeah, do that. then Alt+F2 -> killall -1 katapult && sleep 1 && katapult
[06:40] <contrast83> Get it?
[06:40] <sn00zer> not yet
[06:41] <sn00zer> got a splash screen
[06:42] <sn00zer> but it doesn't seem to be starting
[06:42] <contrast83> katapult, you mean?
[06:42] <sn00zer> yes
[06:43] <sn00zer> there's a purplish box with a slingshot on it and the word katapult but it doesn't do anything from there
[06:43] <contrast83> That's it. Type a couple letters of a program you want to open.
[06:43] <sn00zer> oh
[06:43] <contrast83> Hehe
[06:43] <contrast83> Ctrl+C configures it. It can also open documents, bookmarks, or songs if Amarok's running.
[06:44] <sn00zer> awesome
[06:44] <contrast83> Indeed
[06:44] <contrast83> So I guess you can delete that script I just had you make. :-P
[06:44] <sn00zer> and this works with beryl running if i reassign the hotkeys?
[06:44] <contrast83> Right
[06:44] <sn00zer> ha, maybe
[06:44] <contrast83> BTW, why are you still using Beryl?
[06:44] <sn00zer> it wasn't finding it
[06:44] <contrast83> ?
[06:44] <sn00zer> i got it to work
[06:45] <sn00zer> wasn't finding vbox
[06:45] <sn00zer> i got beryl to work, i've thought about upgrading to compiz but i figure i'll break the system and i don't have time to fix it right now if i do
[06:45] <contrast83> FYI, it doesn't automatically update its DB when you install new programs, so you'll need to quit it (Alt+Space -> Ctrl+Q) then open it again (Alt+F2 -> katapult)
[06:46] <contrast83> You can have Beryl and Compiz installed simultaneously, y'know.
[06:46] <contrast83> Which repo are you using?
[06:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> why in the...
[06:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> sn00zer: point: beryl is dead.
[06:58] <smorg> is there someone I need to bug in order to get libs updated in the ubuntu repos? or do I have to rough it and compile em for myself and just keep track on paper if i need the latest versions of something.
[06:59] <Tonren> When I right-click on a folder and select "Share" in Konqueror, the "Shared" icon appears, and my Ubuntu laptop appears in the "Mshome" workgroup for my Windows LAN desktop, but when I double click on it, it brings up a Username/pw dialogue box that says "Connecting..." and I can't connect.
[06:59] <Tonren> I've installed smbfs, etc., and can read/write to Windows shares from Linux, but not vice-versa.
[06:59]  * smorg is tired of compiling libs, in order to compile more libs, in order to finally compile the thing that needed to be compiled in the first place
[06:59] <Tonren> What do I do?
[07:01] <rockets> How can I make Kopete display my currently playing Amarok song?
[07:01] <sn00zer> i'm back
[07:01] <sn00zer> not sure what happened there.... but i couldn't type or close anything
[07:03] <Jucato> rockets: there's a Now Playing plugin for Kopete in Settings -> COnfigure Plugins
[07:03] <rockets> thanks!
[07:04] <sn00zer> Daisuke: whats so horrible about beryl?
[07:04] <emilsedgh> sn00zer: its dead, so horrible!
[07:05] <sn00zer> perhaps, but it still works
[07:05] <Tonren> Anyone?  Why can't I access Linux Samba shares from Windows XP?
[07:05] <sn00zer> and it took me forever to get setup so i'm hesitant to try compiz
[07:08] <rockets> Where can I find the logging-related options in kopete?
[07:08] <emilsedgh> rockets: history plugin?
[07:08] <rockets> ah
[07:10] <sn00zer> how do you save favorite channels to autoconnect?
[07:12] <Tonren> figured it out... had to add "security=share" in smb.conf
[07:13] <Jucato> sn00zer: in Konversation?
[07:14] <sn00zer> Xchat
[07:14] <Jucato> er... try #ubuntu :)
[07:14]  * Jucato doesn't use that
[07:14] <rockets> grr
[07:14] <rockets> my kopete wont play sounds (yes i have them enabled)
[07:15] <Jucato> rockets: are any other KDE notifications playing at all?
[07:15] <rockets> uh
[07:15] <rockets> i wouldnt know.
[07:15] <rockets> i run gnome.
[07:16] <Jucato> (there's a play button in the Configure Notifications for testing)
[07:16] <rockets> but sound plays
[07:16] <rockets> yeah im playing notifications manually
[07:16] <rockets> nothing plays
[07:16] <rockets> i hit the turn on all sounds button
[07:16] <Jucato> hm... can you check if artsd is installed and running?
[07:16] <rockets> im *sure* its not.
[07:16] <Jucato> er... if arts is installed and if artsd is running
[07:16] <Jucato> that would be the problem :)
[07:17] <rockets> i *need* arts for kopete to play sound?
[07:17] <rockets> it cant use alsa?
[07:17] <Jucato> kde uses arts for sound notifications (unless otherwise told to use an external player).
[07:17] <rockets> well how do i tell it to use alsa
[07:17] <Jucato> and no, I don't think it uses ALSA
[07:17] <Jucato> is there an alsa player?
[07:18] <rockets> idk
[07:19]  * Jucato is not sure how/what GNOME uses for sound notifications... thought it used ESD
[07:19] <smorg> hi jucato, still at it eh?
[07:19] <Jucato> at what?
[07:20] <smorg> answering questions :-)
[07:20] <rockets> Jucato, Gnome uses ALSA and/or ESD
[07:20] <Jucato> I see...
[07:21] <Jucato> KDE can use something else as long as 1) there's a command/app to play sounds and 2) it can play ogg's and wav's (such as the "play" command from sox)
[07:22] <rockets> Amarok confuses me.
[07:22] <Jucato> ?
[07:22] <rockets> Idk i dont get the whole everything-is-a-playlist paradign.
[07:22] <rockets> paradigm rather
[07:22] <rockets> things dont do what i expect
[07:23] <Jucato> everything is a playlist?
[07:23] <rockets> meh.
[07:23] <Jucato> you need to put files in the playlist window to play them. but you don't need to save it to a playlist
[07:23] <smorg> what does wip mean?
[07:24] <smorg> must be work in progress :-/
[07:25] <rockets> Jucato, exactley.
[07:25] <rockets> in rhythmbox i can just play things
[07:25] <Jucato> rockets: er? so? then just play things
[07:25] <rockets> Jucato, i like playing albums.
[07:26] <rockets> in rhythmbox i just click the album once and it becomes the current playing list of songs
[07:26] <Jucato> and? I can't see why you're having problems with that
[07:26] <rockets> essentially rhythmbox works like itunes.
[07:26] <rockets> anyway, id just use rhythmbox if there was a functional now-playing plugin for pidgin or kopete that worked with rhythmbox.
[07:26]  * Jucato still doesn't understand
[07:27] <Jucato> why can't you play albums?
[07:27] <rockets> nvr mind . . .
[07:27] <Jucato> no, seriously. I'm trying to understand
[07:27] <rockets> i donnu i cant phrase this correctly.
[07:28] <rockets> ok like here
[07:28] <rockets> I just found an album
[07:28] <rockets> and double clicked on it
[07:28] <rockets> and it added all the songs in that album to the current playlist
[07:28] <rockets> but
[07:28] <rockets> in rhythmbox
[07:28] <rockets> if i did the same thing
[07:28] <rockets> it would just start playing THAT album right away
[07:28] <rockets> i like that behavior.
[07:29] <Jucato> where are you double-clicking the album?
[07:29] <rockets> the "collection" sidebar
[07:29] <rockets> is there another place i can double click it?
[07:29] <Jucato> Files sidebar, from Konqueror, etc.
[07:30] <rockets> i cant do it from konqueror . . . im using gnome
[07:30] <rockets> i mean I *could*
[07:30] <rockets> but i wont.
[07:30] <rockets> since i use nautilus
[07:30] <Jucato> right-click -> Load replaces the contents of the playlist window
[07:30] <rockets> actually if i double click the album in "Files"
[07:30] <rockets> it just opens that folder within amarok
[07:30] <rockets> ok
[07:31] <rockets> ill try that thanks
[07:31] <rockets> nice
[07:31] <rockets> that works
[07:31] <Jucato> but now that you've explained it better. I believe there have been user requests about that behavior
[07:32] <rockets> mm
[07:32] <rockets> Whoa!
[07:32] <rockets> kopete can do video chat?
[07:32] <rockets> does it work with iChat?
[07:32] <Jucato> it has webcam support. yes
[07:32] <Jucato> not sure if it works 100%
[07:32] <rockets> does it work with standard AIM voicechat?
[07:33] <rockets> or is it like a kopete-to-kopete thing
[07:33] <Jucato> you'll have to try it. don't do AIM or video/voice chats :)
[07:34] <rockets> why not.
[07:34] <rockets> i cant just not do AIM. i use google talk when I can but 99% of everybody I know uses AIM
[07:34]  * Jucato has a similar problem with Yahoo
[07:37] <rockets> How do I play my whole library on shuffle?
[07:39] <Jucato> rockets: load all your collection, then at the status bar, there are 2 icons, one turns Random On
[07:39] <rockets> ah.
[07:39] <rockets> the dice.
[07:39] <rockets> see its like
[07:39] <rockets> everything is one more step
[07:39] <rockets> because it always involves creating a playlist
[07:40] <smorg> anyone know much about cpu optomizations for the gcc?
[07:40] <Jucato> not really. iirc in any media player, loading/playing a file adds it to a sort of "now playing" area or list. it's practically the same
[07:40] <WaltzingAlong> or with amarok? usually can instruct amarok to just play a random set of tracks
[07:40]  * Jucato hasn't seen Rhythmbox in a looong time though...
[07:40] <Jucato> smorg: man gcc? :)
[07:40] <rockets> Jucato, i can just SINGLE CLICK all artists in rhythmbox, click random, then click play
[07:41] <rockets> single left click.
[07:41] <smorg> of course! always a good source of info
[07:41] <Jucato> rockets: it just means one thing... Amarok isn't a clone of Rhythmbox or of iTunes. it's its own thing
[07:41] <Jucato> you can't really expect different apps to always behave or be used in the same way 100% of the time, in all areas/aspects
[07:42] <smorg> actually i'm wondering if there is some utility to tell me which -mtune paramater or -march option is best
[07:42] <smorg> cpu specifics
[07:42] <surgy> hellp
[07:42] <surgy> hello*
[07:42] <Jucato> help or hello? :)
[07:42] <Jucato> (or both?)
[07:42] <rockets> I just don't see the benefit of doing it this way though. In rhythmbox I CAN create playlists.
[07:42] <rockets> I just dont *need* to.
[07:43] <smorg> ooooh duh
[07:43] <surgy> my resolution, on my login screen, is higher than my monitor supports, how do i adjust this? i checked in xorg.conf and it looks good, also my refresh rate seams a bit high. im running 7.10 gutsy. thanks for any help on the subject
[07:43] <smorg> I would use -mtune native if compiling for the current machine
[07:43] <smorg> that just makes too much sense XD
[07:44] <Jucato> rockets: like I said, you don't have to either. you just need to place them in a queue. it doesn't create/save that into a playlist unless you want to.
[07:44] <rockets> yeah i get that . . . but its a playlist-like-object
[07:44] <Jucato> iirc in iTunes you can't even mix and match songs from different collections w/o creating a new collection...
[07:44] <Jucato> could be wrong. haven't used iTunes in a loooooonger time than rhythmbox
[07:45] <surgy> jucato can you help me please?
[07:45]  * Jucato likes the way Amarok is... uses the playlist as a scratchpad for dumping songs and mixing them
[07:45] <surgy> : agrees
[07:46] <Jucato> surgy: try to see if xorg.conf has "Virtual" entries near the resolution entries
[07:46] <Jucato> not really sure though
[07:46] <surgy> Jucato: weird huh? i figured it should use the same resolution as my desktop
[07:46] <kraut> moin
[07:46] <smorg> geh... it doesn't explain the difference between mtune and march in the manual!
[07:47] <Jucato> surgy: it doesn't
[07:49] <timri> smorg: it does here. from man gcc : "This option is very similar to the -mcpu= option, except that instead of specifying the actual target processor type, and hence restricting which instructions can be used,"
[07:49]  * timri needs new glasses
[07:50]  * smorg apparantly needs glasses
[07:50] <smorg> cool though... thats useful
[07:50] <timri> smorg: No, you were right, I misread your mtune for mcpu :)
[07:50]  * timri Just realizes he does not HAVE glasses
[07:51] <keegan> hi guys , how do  i know what  user my apache webserver is running under
[07:54] <sub[t]rnl> keegan: www-data as user and group by default
[07:55] <keegan> thanks
[07:56] <keegan> sub[t]rnl:  but ps -aux | grep apache shows root
[07:56]  * timri though apace was running under nobody by default
[07:56] <keegan> root      6601  0.0  0.1  10168  2668 ?        Ss   12:04   0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k
[07:57] <keegan> its  a default install
[07:57] <timri> s/gh/ght
[08:02] <keegan> sub[t]rnl:
[08:05] <smalls> hi gang.
[08:05] <smalls> whats a program where i can make coppies of games ?
[08:05] <timri> smalls: cp ?
[08:06] <smalls> i would like to  burn a copy of half life
[08:06] <smalls> a cd burning program.
[08:06] <timri> smalls: k3b ?
[08:06] <smalls> will it be just as valid ?
[08:07] <timri> smalls: ??? You want to duplicate your license too ?
[08:07] <mrigns> I think you will have to use dd and make an iso after which you can burn
[08:07] <mrigns> man dd
[08:07] <smalls> whats a dd ?
[08:07] <mrigns> type man dd in the terminal and you'll see
[08:07] <smalls> ahh
[08:07] <mrigns> it's the man(ual)
[08:07] <smalls> thought it was  a technical term. thanx guys.
[08:08] <timri> smalls: If you want to make illegal copies of something (not saying you are), this is the wrong channel to ask for help :)
[08:09] <smalls> yes.  but my question is not about legal issues of course, simply making valid (un-warped) coppies.
[08:09] <smalls> thanx.
[08:09] <timri> smalls: In that case you can use: dd if=/dev/hdc of=/home/smalls/copy.iso
[08:09]  * timri is going to grab something to eat
[08:10] <timri> smalls: Then you can use k3b to burn it to cd
[08:11] <[ifr0g]> !find wicd
[08:12] <ubotu> Package/file wicd does not exist in gutsy
[08:12] <smalls> timri:  is there a particular format when burning as k3b ?
[08:13] <mrigns> smalls: it doesn't hvae it's own format
[08:13] <mrigns> iso, bin+cue,
[08:14] <mrigns> for nero images you would need something like acetoneiso
[08:14] <mrigns> which can convert
[08:14] <mrigns> http://www.acetoneteam.org/
[08:15] <virnik> hi there
[08:15] <virnik> is there some option, how can I modify kmilo stepping when lowering or rising sound volume?
[08:15] <twylight> hey, what's a good program for running an IRC server on kubuntu?
[08:16] <Jucato> !ircd
[08:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ircd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:16] <Jucato> bah
[08:17] <mrigns> a server with an installed DE? kinky
[08:19] <unix_infidel> why would i be able to ping google.com but not do w3m google.com
[08:22] <unix_infidel> anyone?
[08:24] <xevious> unix_infidel: port 80 traffic blocked?
[08:24] <ubuntu> hi all is there a way to upgrade an older kubuntu.. to the 7.10 without a cd / dvd ?
[08:24] <unix_infidel> nope.
[08:24] <xevious> dunno
[08:24] <unix_infidel> no proxy, no ports blocked.
[08:24] <xevious> ubuntu: read the topic
[08:25] <Jucato> ubuntu: the "normal" upgrade process uses an internet connection, not CD's/DVD's
[08:25] <xevious> hahaha
[08:25] <xevious> nice nick
[08:26] <Netizen1993> damn
[08:26] <twylight> ircd is compiling now
[08:26] <Netizen1993> my name is gone here.
[08:26] <Netizen1993> LOL
[08:26] <Netizen1993> I have been having some extreem problems getting a good download of the .iso
[08:26] <Netizen1993> and I have this old version.. that I am currently running in live mode.
[08:26] <xevious> which version are you running that you want to upgrade?
[08:27] <Netizen1993> I just don't know if I should attempt another download
[08:27] <Netizen1993> or just install this and then figure out how to upgrade to 7.10
[08:27] <xevious> wait, you have an old version installed or you're running an old version off the live cd?
[08:27] <Netizen1993> old on a live
[08:27] <twylight> 7.10 is broken in my opinion
[08:28] <Netizen1993> ubuntu 7.10 rocks..
[08:28] <aabrahao> hi, when start the x the error appears: could not open default font 'fixed'
[08:28] <Netizen1993> but I want KDE
[08:28] <Netizen1993> :(
[08:28] <xevious> Netizen1993: if you dont have it installed on a hard drive you're definitely best off downloading a 7.10 cd for doing a fresh install
[08:28] <Netizen1993> ok will try it again
[08:28] <xevious> are you using bittorrent to download it?
[08:28] <xevious> what kind of problems are you having with the download?
[08:29] <WaltzingAlong> !info kubuntu-desktop | Netizen1993
[08:29] <ubotu> netizen1993: kubuntu-desktop: Kubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional.  I erased it..
[08:31] <Netizen1993> but I do have it on disk.
[08:31] <xevious> ok... best off with a fresh install then
[08:31] <WaltzingAlong> Netizen1993: then you can install from that, install the package 'kubuntu-desktop' and remove the package 'ubuntu-desktop'
[08:31] <Netizen1993> I just want the *ntu system with kde.. :)  I Kan't stand gnome.
[08:32] <Netizen1993> ahhh so it is possible then
[08:32] <WaltzingAlong> Netizen1993: yes so you can do that with the instructions i just provided
[08:32] <xevious> that's a way to do it
[08:32] <WaltzingAlong> if one already has the ubuntu cd
[08:32] <xevious> Netizen1993: or just grab the iso using bittorrent and it'll pass the md5 guaranteed
[08:32] <Netizen1993> I have a 7.10 64 bit
[08:32] <Netizen1993> burned and that works
[08:33] <Netizen1993> I'm already 35 % on the new download..
[08:33] <Netizen1993> so I will let this finish..
[08:33] <WaltzingAlong> from a torrent?
[08:34] <Netizen1993> no from FTP
[08:34] <xevious> Netizen1993: we're suggesting bittorrent because it does hash checks of portions of the download as it downloads, and automatically fixes errors
[08:34] <WaltzingAlong> unless there is a packet sniffing torrent blocker ... your download should be faster and nothing shy of 100% verified with torrent
[08:34] <Netizen1993> ok well if this one fails..
[08:35] <Netizen1993> I can do the slower torrent then
[08:35] <Netizen1993> torrents can be soooo slow..
[08:35] <xevious> hehe
[08:35] <Netizen1993> when compared to axel
[08:35] <xevious> not for ubuntu downloads
[08:35] <xevious> i was pulling 2.5MB/sec the last time i downloaded a kubuntu iso
[08:35] <Netizen1993> do I even have a torrent client with the Live CD?
[08:35] <WaltzingAlong> ok so grab from the ftp source. then you have the iso, you can still use the torrent to point to that already downloaded iso so the torrent can verify the iso
[08:35] <xevious> it completely maxed out my comcast cable connection
[08:36] <WaltzingAlong> !info ktorrent
[08:36] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.1-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 2698 kB, installed size 9932 kB
[08:38] <Netizen1993> holly tolledo.. torrent is slooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww..... :(
[08:38] <Netizen1993> man sayin like gonna be a day to get it :(
[08:39] <Jucato> that really depends on a lot of factors
[08:40] <Jucato> torrents are faster than ftp in some cases, depending on the factors
[08:40] <WaltzingAlong> Netizen1993: it would be nice to know if the iso you had was failing the md5sum or just the burnt one
[08:40] <Netizen1993> I'm just spoiled I guess..... I got used to using axel to do downloads.. I'm used to seeing 300+
[08:41] <Netizen1993> WaltzingAlong: I thought I had specified that the .iso was failing.. sorry If I didn't make that clear.. I do that from time to time,  sorry
[08:42] <WaltzingAlong> Netizen1993: ah yeah you did. ok so with the one you grabbed already you use torrent to finish the pieces that are not matching
[08:42] <Netizen1993> I didn't know I could do that already had deleted from the drive..
[08:42] <crazy_bus> my computer gets to the login screen.  I type my password in and press enter and the screen goes black.  It then returns to the login page.  Why would this be?  Is their anyway to check freespace from the commandline so I can check its not that?
[08:42] <WaltzingAlong> so rather than downloading the entire file again, just a few sections so the entire .iso passes the md5 check
[08:42] <Netizen1993> no biggie.. I will just redownload it
[08:42] <WaltzingAlong> crazy_bus: df -h
[08:43] <Netizen1993> axel should have it here in about an hour or so.
[08:43] <Netizen1993> I'm downloading the DVD.iso this time.. and not the CD.iso
[08:43] <Netizen1993> perhaps it will be better.
[08:44] <crazy_bus> my /home isn
[08:44] <crazy_bus> t listed doing that WaltzingAlong ?
[08:44] <WaltzingAlong> crazy_bus: should list all
[08:44] <WaltzingAlong> crazy_bus: df -h /home
[08:45] <crazy_bus> it's listed their.  0 avail :(.  Any way I can boot in and ]b'
[08:45] <crazy_bus> burn files off?
[08:46] <WaltzingAlong> crazy_bus: do you have a lot free elsewhere? you could move a big one, free up some space, then log into kde like normal, doing whatever from familiar territory
[08:46] <crazy_bus> ok.  I'll try that
[08:51] <Jason_w_w> can anybody help me with getting wine to work?
[08:51] <WaltzingAlong> crazy_bus: partitioning is the fine art of assuring not enough space will be where it is needed ;)
[08:51] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: sure, the issue?
[08:51] <Jason_w_w> well, it's a program that seems to want to run in 640 x 480
[08:52] <crazy_bus> WaltzingAlong: seems to have worked.  It only logged me into a blue kde screen with a terminal but Im sure a reboot will fix it
[08:52] <Jason_w_w> when I tried to run it before, it gave an error about "wine could not switch display mode"
[08:52] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: which wine version do you have? wine --version
[08:52] <Jason_w_w> now I have forced kubuntu into 640x480 (miserable), and still it is not working
[08:53] <Jason_w_w> wine-0.9.49
[08:54] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: are you using 3d drivers for your video card?
[08:55] <Jason_w_w> is there an easy way to check?  (I know this program will not require them)
[08:56] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: you could configure wine through systemsettings/advanced/windows applications
[08:56] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: in konsole, glxinfo | grep -i direct
[08:56] <Jason_w_w> I've looked around there, and played around with a few of the settings, but nothing seems to have helped so far
[08:57] <Jason_w_w> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[08:57] <Jason_w_w> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[08:58] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: which windows version is wine reporting to the application?
[08:58] <Jason_w_w> xp
[09:00] <twylight> wthca
[09:00] <twylight> figjewufgijlk'
[09:00] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: mind relaying which program it is? (btw help with wine may be found elsewhere, such as #winehq )
[09:00] <twylight> sorry, my cat just walked across my keyboard
[09:01] <Jason_w_w> sure, it is called PowerPrep...it is GRE preparation software available for free download online
[09:06] <Jason_w_w> WaltzingAlong:  thanks so much for your help, but I have to run...I'll figure something out I'm sure
[09:06] <WaltzingAlong> ok
[09:19] <VIVIsect> hello :)
[09:19] <WaltzingAlong> hello
[09:20] <VIVIsect> Is anyone here in the mood of giving an absolute noob some advice
[09:20] <twylight> sure
[09:21] <emilsedgh> !ask | VIVIsect
[09:21] <ubotu> VIVIsect: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:21] <VIVIsect> Well, i installed kubuntu 7.10, and it worked perfectly, but, i cant install 2 things
[09:21] <VIVIsect> my lexicon lambda usb soundcard
[09:22] <VIVIsect> and crappy chinese accessrunner adsl modem
[09:22] <VIVIsect> which is the only type of modem i can get here :(
[09:25] <aabrahao> when the x is started and I pressed ctrl f2 to go to terminal mode, how can I back to graphical mode?
[09:28] <lup0> aabrahao: Ctrl+F7
[09:29] <lup0> aabrahao: sorry, ctrl+alt+F7
 grato
[09:31] <aabrahao> e como faco para o x nao inice sozinho?
[09:33] <VIVIsect> no advices?
[09:35] <emilsedgh> VIVIsect: as far as i know, there are problems with usb adsl modems :(
[09:37] <VIVIsect> Yep, i know
[09:37] <VIVIsect> but i don know where to start xD
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[09:39]  * ActionParsnip waves
[09:54] <frojnd> I have a q. Is it possible to write in kate like this: if I put down three spaces and than "{" I want to write in the next line 3 spaces after start and not from beginning  ??
[09:55] <Jucato> you mean auto-indenting?
[09:55] <ardchoille> frojnd: I believe that would be syntax hilightin. Have you checked syntax hilighting?
[09:55] <ardchoille> ok, maybe I'm wrong
[09:55] <frojnd> ardchoille, nop I wasn't, it would save a lot of work in programming..
[09:55] <Jucato> syntax highlighting = (as the name suggests) highlighting words (colors)
[09:56] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[09:56] <Jucato> frojnd: Tools -> Indentation
[09:56] <Jucato> if you want to set a default one, Settings -> Configure Kate -> Editor -> Indentation (affects Kwrite too)
[09:57] <ardchoille> Jucato: Does that mean it's a kpart?
[09:57] <frojnd> thanx Jucato
[09:58] <Jucato> ardchoille: katepart has always been a kpart. used in kwrite, kate, quanta, kdevelop, etc
[09:58] <ardchoille> ok
[09:58] <Jucato> http://kate-editor.org
[09:58] <ardchoille> That's one rocking editor, I know that much.
[09:59] <twylight> kate is the stuff
[10:01] <[ifr0g]> !find dd_rescue
[10:01] <twylight> !lol
[10:02] <ubotu> File dd_rescue found in ddrescue
[10:02] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[10:02] <utnubuk> is there a way to install the new gnome online desktop in ubuntu ?? i did sudo apt-get as per instructions from redhatmagazine.com and its not in the repos
[10:03] <utnubuk> just wondering if anyone here may have tried it...
[10:03] <Jucato> utnubuk: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/gnome
[10:04] <utnubuk> thanks Jucato
[10:05] <twylight> !gnome
[10:05] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[10:06] <utnubuk> one more questino (i think :) if I update with synaptic will that update KDE stuff as well? is everything in the same 'bucket' so to speak?
[10:06] <WaltzingAlong> utnubuk: yes
[10:06] <utnubuk> cool ty
[10:06]  * Jucato nods
[10:10] <zgmf-x20a> anyone know how to convert files from avi to mpeg4??
[10:12] <utnubuk> Jucato i think you may have misunderstood me, take a quick look at http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/11/13/tour-of-gnome-online-desktop/
[10:12] <llutz> zgmf-x20a: mencoder <filename.avi> -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -o <output.avi>
[10:12] <Jucato> utnubuk: oh yeah. missed the "online" word
[10:12] <utnubuk> :)
[10:12] <Jucato> utnubuk: try asking in #ubuntu
[10:13] <utnubuk> kk
[10:20] <[ifr0g]> !corrupted
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about corrupted - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <zgmf-x20a> llutz: i see.  is there a gui front end available that i can get for mencoder?
[10:23] <llutz> avidemux
[10:23] <zgmf-x20a> and this will allow me to convert avi files to mpeg 4 llutz?
[10:23] <llutz> zgmf-x20a: not for mencoder, but imho best gui for video-conversion
[10:23] <toker> Hi all.. how can I install KDE on Ubuntu 7.10
[10:24] <llutz> zgmf-x20a: avi is just a container, not a codec
[10:24] <zgmf-x20a> llutz: ok, so if i install avidemux it will allow me to do simple conversions of avi files to mp4 files though right?
[10:24] <llutz> zgmf-x20a: yes
[10:25] <zgmf-x20a> llutz: sweeeeeeeeet.. trying things out on my psp
[10:25] <llutz> zgmf-x20a: more help at http://avidemux.berlios.de/index.html
[10:27] <mizerydearia> Using putty, how can I type or send non-ascii characters such as hex 90 (int 144 / asc É)?
[10:28] <utnubuk> mizerydearia: what exactly are you trying to do?
[10:28] <utnubuk> login? pswd?
[10:31] <mizerydearia> utnubuk I'm trying to type in a string that includes hex value 90 (int 144 / ascii É) using putty (ssh connection to my Linksys WRT54G router
[10:33] <utnubuk> For putty, you have to chose UTF-8 from Window > Translation
[10:34] <utnubuk> not sure if you checked http://www.gammu.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gammu:SMS_Character_Set_Conversion
[10:34] <utnubuk> i misunderstood your question, doubt that link will help
[10:34] <utnubuk> hopefully you find it useful
[10:40] <zgmf-x20a> llutz: havin some difficulty with this thing, its not working proper i dont think.  basically, all i ahve to do is open the file i want, and in fromat area change to mp4, hit save and it should be done right?  but the file doesnt work...
[10:40] <zgmf-x20a> llutz: any suggestions?
[10:41] <llutz> zgmf-x20a: http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[10:43] <zgmf-x20a> llutz: yah i took a look at that... doesnt say, "to convert avi to mp4, just.... "
[10:45] <ocs> hi. the clock of my PC has an error of one hour. how can i see if there are kernel's problems associated to that?
[10:47] <Zombocom> is it because it didn't do the time change?
[10:47] <ocs> Zombocom: no
[10:48] <Zombocom> is the system time alright if you go into setup at the bios?
[10:48] <fomle> Hello.. i got a question about beryl? is there a quick inbstall guide anywhere? only 1 i found lead to was not longer there.. :(
[10:48] <Zombocom> beryl has merged with compiz to form compiz-fusion
[10:48] <Zombocom> their room is #compiz-fusion
[10:48] <ocs> Zombocom: let me check
[10:48] <Zombocom> k
[10:50] <fomle> thnx Zombocom
[10:50] <Zombocom> no problem fomle
[10:52] <ocs> Zombocom: the bios time is ok, and after rebooting also the OS time has been corrected... but why?
[10:52] <Zombocom> no clue
[10:53] <Zombocom> someone else could explain it probably, I was just trying to use a system of elimination to find where the problem was
[10:53] <ocs> ok, thnks
[10:53] <Zombocom> no problem
[10:53] <ocs> another question: how can i check if the installation of my OS is for i386 or for i686 ?
[10:54] <llutz> ocs uname -a
[10:57] <zgmf-x20a> anyone know a good psp channel?
[10:58] <ocs> thnks  llutz
[11:03] <timri> Is there a way to make klipper store images as well?
[11:06] <timri> In some previous version of KDE klipper could store images like it does text, so you did not have to keep the source app open to copy&paste something. I want to enable this feature, but do not know how. Anyone?
[11:09] <sammy> anyone trying kmail+gmail with imap?
[11:11]  * sammy pokes dje_ and mnm1
[11:11] <sammy> your hostnames are interesting
[11:18] <bonzai> anyone around that can help a first time installer noob
[11:18] <timri> !ask
[11:18] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:18] <bonzai> lol
[11:18] <bonzai> k
[11:18] <sammy> that bot is snarky.
[11:18] <joetheodd> Is that a tonguetwister?
[11:18] <bonzai> ahh
[11:19] <bonzai> installing kubuntu on a lappy with via everything
[11:19] <timri> bonzai: Unichrome graphics?
[11:19] <bonzai> looks like i have to recompile the source
[11:19] <bonzai> yes
[11:19] <bonzai> the chrome9 hc
[11:19] <bonzai> wich is the unichrome, yes
[11:19] <timri> bonzai: Oh! that one is even worse supported than my k8m800 :)
[11:20] <timri> bonzai: What exactly do you want to recompile, though. Openchrome ?
[11:20] <bonzai> na
[11:20] <bonzai> looks about he same challenge as the one from via
[11:20] <bonzai> *the
[11:21] <timri> bonzai: And your question is ? :)
[11:22] <bonzai> is lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic not complete or something?
[11:23] <timri> bonzai: Not that I know of, what's your problem?
[11:23] <bonzai> this is the dvd 7.04 i have installed as gusty wonn't even get to the livecd
[11:23] <bonzai> well my next step is to sudo make modules_prepare
[11:24] <bonzai> but i get lots of errors about files/directories missing
[11:24] <timri> bonzai: pastebin?
[11:25]  * timri wonders why bonzai needs to recompile his kernel at all :)
[11:25] <bonzai> let me see if i can post what i've done so far with out getting booted
[11:26] <timri> !pastebin
[11:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:26] <bonzai> ahh, good call
[11:27]  * timri wishes there was another way to control ubotu, without the exclamation mark
[11:27] <jack-> timri: /msg
[11:27] <_lucas> Buenas
[11:28] <timri> jack-: Ah! thanks. (I should have read the docs a little better :)
[11:28] <jack-> :)
[11:28] <jack-> <3 blootbot
[11:29] <sammy> timri: if it's anything like the old infobot, you can remove the ! trigger, but then it'll just shout out anytime someone says anything that matches.
[11:29] <jack-> not recommended ;)
[11:30] <timri> sammy: In #kubuntu, that does not seem really wanted behavior from a bot :P
[11:31] <sammy> *nod* hence the trigger :P
[11:31] <sammy> unless you were talking about something else? it's 4am here in seattle, I'm a little slow
[11:31] <timri> :)
[11:32] <sammy> and wondering if anyone's tried kmail+gmail imap? it's .... quirky. as to be expected, I guess.
[11:32] <bonzai> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44598/
[11:32] <carwash^> kmail tends to coredump when using imap
[11:33] <jpatrick> sammy: it's dead slow, and I have to download a message again just to view it
[11:33] <sammy> carwash^: I just installed a ton of -dbg packages for just that sort of thing :) and, yes, kontact crashes a good bit, and kmail is usually the culprit
[11:34] <sammy> jpatrick: and the way that labels vs folders work is odd. if I have a filter on gmail set to apply a label, the message appears in my inbox, then disappears and appears in the folder for the label
[11:34] <jpatrick> sammy: I switched back to pop for my sake..
[11:34] <timri> bonzai: You left out the interesting part: the error messages themselves :)
[11:35] <sammy> again, quirky, I know they have things to work out. but sometimes, like now, I'm seeing messages appear and disappear, then reappear as new on the next mail check, the same message over and over. a message that isn't matching any filter rules.
[11:36] <bonzai> refresh
[11:36] <sammy> jpatrick: I'm probably headed back to the web interface. I'm already using gmail to check my personal accounts via pop. If I get adventurous I might try to triage a few bugs, but imap is a scary beast, even with servers like courier
[11:37] <sammy> I've seen a few tutorials that suggest implementing offline imap with an intermediary imap server you maintain yourself.
[11:37] <timri> bonzai: Nope, still nothing (our paste ends with "errors out there^^^^")
[11:37] <bonzai> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44600/
[11:38] <bonzai> sorry
[11:38] <wickedsmaat> Linux Newbie With A Question . . .
[11:38] <wickedsmaat> I'm using Ubuntu-GNOME, I installed KDE.
[11:39] <wickedsmaat> Can I uninstall GNOME (ubuntu-desktop) in Synaptic?
[11:39] <wickedsmaat> It says it's "unrecomended" in Synaptic.
[11:39] <jpatrick> !purekde
[11:39] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here ┬½ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE ┬╗
[11:40] <wickedsmaat> *THANKS*
[11:40] <sammy> I'm going to make a video of this and post it somewhere. watch my messages appear and instantly disappear! kmail: it's magic. though, it's not going to get any better unless I go double check that all the issues I'm having have been filed on a bug tracker somewhere. such is life in the big city.
[11:41] <timri> bonzai: Ah, got it now :)
[11:42] <luigi> !it
[11:42] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:44] <timri> bonzai: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[11:46] <bonzai> bingo
[11:46] <bonzai> what was that
[11:46] <timri> bonzai: :) You were missing libc6-dev amongst other things :)
[11:46] <timri> bonzai: It works now?
[11:47] <bonzai> sorry, i used to work on solaris, about 10 years ago, first time touching this side of the world again since then
[11:47] <bonzai> it licked it, that's for sure
[11:47] <timri> bonzai: :)
[11:48]  * timri is going to try nexenta sometime soon
[11:49] <timri> bonzai: By the way: I am not convinced you actually need to compile your kernal.
[11:50] <timri> bonzai: Feisty already has modular X I believe, so your new via driver (if that's what you are doing) should work just like that (famous last words)
[11:51] <bonzai> best i can get is 800x600
[11:52] <bonzai> anything higher makes it look like i selected the wrong or too high of video mode
[11:53] <bonzai> got to do this again with the audio too
[11:54] <timri> bonzai: Curious. Could you pastebin the output of lspci for me?
[11:55]  * timri Just now notices he has joined the legions of "kernAl" sayers... ouch. That was a typo of course *blush*
[11:55] <smorg> !libsdl
[11:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libsdl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:56] <timri> !info libsdl
[11:56] <ubotu> Package libsdl does not exist in gutsy
[11:56] <timri> oops
[11:58] <bonzai> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44603/
[11:58] <timri> smorg: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/libs/libsdl1.2debian
[11:59] <bonzai> if you know an easier way, i'll all ears
[12:00] <smorg> cool that helps :-)
[12:00] <snconnect> hello
[12:00]  * twylight eats smorg
[12:00] <snconnect> do you speak french?
[12:00] <sammy> !fr
[12:00] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:01] <snconnect> thanks you
[12:03] <twylight> !ru
[12:03] <ubotu> ą¤ąŠąČą░ą╗čāą╣čüčéą░ ą▓ąŠą╣ą┤ąĖčéąĄ ą▓ #ubuntu-ru ą┤ą╗čÅ ą┐ąŠą╝ąŠčēąĖ ąĮą░ čĆčāčüčüą║ąŠą╝ čÅąĘčŗą║ąĄ  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:03] <twylight> haha
[12:03] <timri> bonzai: I would suggest to try Gutsy using the normal LiveCd, starting in Safe Graphics mode
[12:03] <bonzai> tried that
[12:03] <timri> bonzai: Blank screen?
[12:04] <bonzai> no, looks like it's in the wrong video mode
[12:04] <timri> bonzai: Some whitewash starting from the bottom ?
[12:05] <bonzai> that is there but goes away
[12:05] <timri> bonzai: known modeline problem
[12:05] <timri> bonzai: First time I hear it affects vesa, btw
[12:06] <bonzai> once booted, you can tell it's text,
[12:06] <bonzai> hmm
[12:06] <timri> bonzai: Try to switch to a console, and sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:07] <bonzai> now or in gutsy?
[12:07] <timri> bonzai: You could try it now, but thats how I got over my via troubles in Gutsy.
[12:09] <timri> bonzai: The upside to using gutsy: your audio troubles should be smaller (still an alsamixer pb as far as I can see on launchpad, don't have the same audio chip unfortunately)
[12:10] <bonzai> ok, i ran it, put in an identifier, not quite sure what it is asking me to do here
[12:10] <bonzai> d'oh
[12:10] <timri> bonzai: Just press OK lots of times, until you come at the resolution selection.
[12:10] <bonzai> the xconf file, nm
[12:10] <bonzai> there is no ok
[12:11] <timri> bonzai: Fell of your screen perhaps: try tab followed by enter
[12:12]  * timri has to go in 10 minutes
[12:12] <bonzai> there it goes
[12:12] <bonzai> what's a good amount of mem to use?
[12:12] <timri> bonzai: Unselect all bogus resolutions (gutsy thought my 1024x768 ldc could do 1600 something)
[12:13] <timri> bonzai: Just leave it as-is, and OK your way through those screens
[12:13] <bonzai> 128mb i think is the max, maybe 64mb
[12:13] <bonzai> it's asking me to type it in
[12:13] <timri> bonzai: You can (and usually should :) ) leave it blank
[12:13] <bonzai> nm
[12:13] <bonzai> helps if i read
[12:13] <timri> :)
[12:15] <bonzai> back to a prompt
[12:15] <timri> bonzai: You got to the resolutions screen ?
[12:16] <bonzai> yeah, i selected 1024 for now
[12:17] <timri> bonzai: good, one second, I'am gonna pastebin my xorg.conf, might help you in the future
[12:17] <timri> bonzai: http://pastebin.com/m3dd6e07d
[12:18] <timri> bonzai: You can now cross your fingers, log out, restart X (Ctrl+Alt+Backspace) and it *should* work.
[12:19] <timri> bonzai: But first, you might want to pastbin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf :)
[12:22]  * timri is starting to think he fried bonzais computer from a distance
[12:22] <timri> bonzai: ?
[12:23] <timri> Sigh, smb4k 0.8.4 still has the annoying "DCOPServer wants to connect to kwallet" bug on my system
[12:24] <timri> bonzai: ping!
[12:24]  * timri looks around innocently but slightly worried
[12:24]  * timri has to go now, bye all
[12:25] <bonzai> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44604/
[12:25] <bonzai> sorry, mouse battery
[12:26] <bonzai> i think it looks right
[12:26] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: what is the issue?
[12:26] <bonzai> d'oh
[12:26] <bonzai> knew he had to leave
[12:26] <bonzai> via video on a lappy
[12:27] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: 3d or just any?
[12:27] <bonzai> via driver, or better than the vesa 800x600
[12:27] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: how about a pastebin of the resulting /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:28] <bonzai> think i'm going to try the settings...
[12:28] <bonzai> ok, 1 sec
[12:30] <bonzai> all 2200 lines?
[12:30] <WaltzingAlong> sure to pastebin
[12:31] <bonzai> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44606/
[12:33] <bonzai> be right back, going to try this last change it's easy enough to undo
[12:34] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: what did timri have you do? comment out option usefbdev? comment out busid? in /etc/X11/xorg.conf  ; ok paste 44606 is the log when loading vesa driver. and what happens with the 'via' module
[12:35] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: make a copy of the log /var/log/Xorg.0.log before changing back to vesa
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[12:42]  * ActionParsnip waves
[12:44] <WaltzingAlong> ActionParsnip: greetings
[12:44] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: were you at all interested in the latest from viaarena? http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=25&CatID=2580&SubCatID=163                 also http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44607/
[12:47] <Bonzai> so much for quick lol
[12:48] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[12:48] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: were you at all interested in the latest from viaarena? http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=25&CatID=2580&SubCatID=163                 also http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44607/
[12:48] <Bonzai> it didn't work, this is my main pc, i'm trying to recover the lappy
[12:48] <WaltzingAlong> Bonzai: ssh into it ? change xorg.conf back
[12:49] <Bonzai> couldn't get that far, i'll get it once i get a console, it's almost there
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> WaltzingAlong: whats he trying to do?
[12:49] <WaltzingAlong> ActionParsnip: get better than 800x600 using vesa or use vga video module
[12:49] <Bonzai> I was trying the viaarena driver, it has ya compile the kernel
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> WaltzingAlong: what gfx card?
[12:51] <WaltzingAlong> Bonzai: which graphics unit is it exactly? lspci
[12:52] <Bonzai> just a sec, lappy's almost back up
[12:52] <Bonzai> it's the via chrome9 hc
[12:52] <WaltzingAlong> ActionParsnip: via chrome9 hc
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> WaltzingAlong: bad news http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=80202&enterthread=y
[12:55] <Bonzai> I've seen that, i don't have the link right now, but someone got it going with the via driver in 7.04
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> Bonzai: http://www.hombrepac.com.ar/software-libre/linux/how-to-via-k8m890-chrome-9-igp-and-linuxs-xorg-ubuntu-edgy-610/
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> Bonzai: seen that one?
[12:56] <WaltzingAlong> yeah ActionParsnip i have seen that
[12:56] <WaltzingAlong> Bonzai: but may have some success with http://www.hombrepac.com.ar/software-libre/linux/how-to-via-k8m890-chrome-9-igp-and-linuxs-xorg-ubuntu-edgy-610/
[12:56] <WaltzingAlong> Bonzai: and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[12:58] <nado> hi
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> Is the command to open a URL with firefox, firefox %u
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> hi nacer
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> hi nado
[12:59] <WaltzingAlong> Bonzai: and you may wish to subscribe to https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/11807
[13:00] <WaltzingAlong> ActionParsnip: yes firefox %u
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> WaltzingAlong: cheers man
[13:01] <nado> after switching to kubuntu, my graphics are kinda laggy. i.e. when i try to mark several icons at once and resize that rectangle quickly, the framerate drops drastically. nv drivers for my geforce6800 are installed, settings in xorg.conf are similar to the old ones that worked with another distribution. what can i do?
[13:02] <Bonzai> Bonzai:  http://www.hombrepac.com.ar/software-libre/linux/how-to-via-k8m890-chrome-9-igp-and-linuxs-xorg-ubuntu-edgy-610/
[13:02] <WaltzingAlong> nado: use the !nvidia driver? turn off some of the eye candy in kde through kcontrol or the program kpersonalizer
[13:03] <utnubuk> it's late and my head hurts.
[13:05] <nado> WaltzingAlong: alright, i'll try to go for nvidia drivers
[13:06] <mikl> Is Kubuntu going to package KDE4 beta 4?
[13:06] <nado> but there's the second problem, my adept won't work anymore
[13:06] <WaltzingAlong> nado: in konsole, sudo aptitude -f install   shows what?
[13:06] <WaltzingAlong> nado: (or sudo apt-get -f install)
[13:06] <WaltzingAlong> mikl: according to #kubuntu-devel yes! in a few days!
[13:07] <mikl> WaltzingAlong: ok, I'm looking forward to taking it for a spin :)
[13:07] <WaltzingAlong> mikl: or to see the latest/greatest you could build from svn yourself
[13:07] <nado> i tried to install java, that installation failed, now everytime i try to install/remove something, i get an error
[13:07] <nado> WaltzingAlong: um, wait...
[13:08] <WaltzingAlong> mikl: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version for a guide on how to do just that
[13:08] <mikl> WaltzingAlong: yeah, I know, but I think I'll save myself the headache of figuring KDE's new build system out ;)
[13:09] <nado> it says that sun-java5-plugin shall be deleted
[13:09] <nado> when i continue, i get an error, saying sun-java5-jre could not be found
[13:09] <nado> and i should correct it myself
[13:10] <mikl> nado: remove it and get the java6-packages instead :)
[13:10] <nado> miki: that's what i'm trying
[13:10] <WaltzingAlong> nado: though sun-java5-jre should be in the repos too
[13:10] <nado> but i can't remove it
[13:11] <WaltzingAlong> nado: sudo aptitude update    first
[13:11] <mikl> yeah, that sounds rather strange...
[13:11] <nado> same error
[13:12] <ubuntu_> i am trying to install ubuntu7.10 from livecd ,manully  editing  partition return error ,it says cant create file system
[13:12] <nado> can't i get rid of the package without adept?
[13:12] <WaltzingAlong> nado: and to remove all of sun-java5: sudo aptitude purge sun-java5-bin sun-java5-demo sun-java5-doc sun-java5-fonts sun-java5-jdk sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin sun-java5-source
[13:13] <nado> yup saw it now, too ;)
[13:13] <nado> i'll give it a try
[13:13] <WaltzingAlong> nado: then to install the java6 plugin  sudo aptitude install sun-java6-plugin     or through adept
[13:13] <ubuntu_> please someone help me
[13:14] <nado> do i need the plugin package only?
[13:14] <nado> basically i just need compatibility with firefox to do my homework for the university
[13:14] <WaltzingAlong> nado: well depends on what you want with java. plugin should pull in a few others too
[13:14] <WaltzingAlong> nado: oh so you want the jdk (development kit) as well
[13:15] <nado> i think you misunderstood me ;) i need to use applets, i don't want to develop them
[13:15] <WaltzingAlong> nado: :) ok
[13:16] <nado> gnarf
[13:16] <nado> now i can't get past the user's agreement
[13:16] <WaltzingAlong> tab to ok
[13:16] <WaltzingAlong> then enter
[13:16] <nado> oops :D
[13:17] <ubuntu_> error i got "The ext3 file system creation in partition #9 of IDE1 slave (hdb) failed."
[13:18] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: with the msdos partition table there can be 4 primary partitions or 3 and one extended
[13:18] <nado> yay, it works! thanks a lot WaltzingAlong!
[13:18] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: perhaps that has something to do with the error?
[13:19] <WaltzingAlong> nado: congrats
[13:19] <WaltzingAlong> nado: should be able to use adept manager as you had been
[13:20] <nado> yup it works as well
[13:20] <ubuntu_> WaltzingAlong how do you say i have msdos partition ?
[13:21] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: referring to the type of partition table - not the file systems on any of the partitions; just a guess
[13:21] <nado> i'll try the driver thing now, brb
[13:22] <WaltzingAlong> !nvidia > nado
[13:23] <andreas> My NetworkManager seems to have gone nuts. When i try to log on my wlan, it just wont. Worked fine yesterday. Symptoms: wifi symbol on my comp. is blinking like a blitz, all the bars in Knetworkmanager is gone, and the pop-up when i try to log in to a wlan, is all over my desktop.
[13:23] <timri> ubuntu_: in Xubuntu Feisty this is a known pb (http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/704)
[13:25] <WaltzingAlong> knetworkmanager not listing anything for your devices? open /etc/network/interfaces then comment out all lines referring to the corresponding devices (ethx for example), though you can leave the auto lines; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes | andreas
[13:26] <ubuntu_> timri i have kubuntu
[13:26] <andreas> It is showing up all my networks, but cant connect
[13:26] <ubuntu_> andreas enable eth0
[13:27] <ubuntu_> sudo ifup eth0
[13:27] <nado> WaltzingAlong:  nvidia drivers solved my problem, thanks again ;)
[13:27] <WaltzingAlong> nado: enjoy! :D
[13:27] <nado> hehe, will do
[13:27] <andreas> ubuntu_ it is already listed as eth1, when i iwconfig
[13:28] <nado> another question: why isn't beryl in the repos?
[13:28] <WaltzingAlong> nado: it is
[13:28] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | nado
[13:29] <nado> is beryl compiz again? O.o
[13:29] <timri> ubuntu_: As a workaround you could setup your paritions manually without the installer (http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/)
[13:29] <WaltzingAlong> compiz-fusion is beryl+compiz, yeah
[13:29] <nado> cool
[13:29] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: you could use qtparted in the livecd to configure the partitions
[13:31] <andreas> what suold i do to install nvidia drivers?  Got a Geforce 8400m GS
[13:32] <WaltzingAlong> !nvidia > andreas
[13:32] <timri> WaltzingAlong: If it is in fact a problem with non-unmountable partitions that wont help him much, hence my link to http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
[13:33] <nado> !nvidia
[13:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> timri: i see. yes and it may help to disable automount as per the release notes with 7.04
[13:33] <nado> cool
[13:33] <nado> !commands
[13:33] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> !bot > nado
[13:33] <nado> that's what i was looking for ;)
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> nado: play with the bot using /msg ubotu !tell me everything
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> oh
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> ;d
[13:33] <jpatrick> has anyone had any problems with updates?
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> which updates?
[13:34] <jpatrick> WaltzingAlong: I've installed gutsy updates and some kde apps just won't load
[13:34] <vbgunz> I am cd'ed in a directory. I would like to recursively search inside every file for something. how do i do this from the command line? what utility?
[13:34] <jpatrick> vbgunz: "rgrep"
[13:34] <vbgunz> jpatrick: thanks, will check it out!
[13:34] <timri> WaltzingAlong: The pb with the workaround in the Feisty release notes is that they seem to apply specifically to Xubuntu, and "ubuntu" is using Kubuntu (WHOA!)
[13:35] <nado> alright, gotta go
[13:35] <nado> cya
[13:35] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: graphically you may be interested in kfind; otherwise the command 'locate' uses the db updated upon boot by 'updatedb'; and of course the greps
[13:36] <timri> vbgunz: Use grep with the recurs action or -r flag
[13:36] <vbgunz> I usually pipe things through grep for file names. i love locate too. I am trying to recursively search through a directory though for words *in* a file and not just the file name :)
[13:37] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: then kfind or grep as pointed out.
[13:37] <vbgunz> timri: I just tried rgrep -i 'prototype' -r (while in the directory)
[13:37] <Jucato> grep -ir pattern *
[13:37] <WaltzingAlong> jpatrick: which package?
[13:37] <vbgunz> it's taking forever though... the directory isn't that big
[13:38] <Jucato> vbgunz: I think you misplaced -r
[13:38] <vbgunz> Jucato: thanks. that gem did it. :)
[13:38] <llutz>  !ntfs-3g
[13:38] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[13:38] <vbgunz> Jucato: yes, I did, heh, thanks :)
[13:39]  * timri Thinks pressing Ctrl+F in konqueror is a totally cool feature, it esp. rocks combined with the quicksearch toolbar in icon view (no idea if dolphin does this as well)
[13:39] <Jucato> timri: it should have both too
[13:39] <emilsedgh> timri: i didnt knew it! thanks man!
[13:40] <emilsedgh> aah, Konqueror has many, 'many' secrets!
[13:40] <emilsedgh> for example its smooth scrolling feature rocks
[13:40]  * timri gives the KDE guys and girls a pat on the backs
[13:40] <timri> emilsedgh: shift+arrow  you mean>
[13:40] <timri> emilsedgh: shift+arrow  you mean?
[13:40] <emilsedgh> timri: yes
[13:41] <Jucato> and the search as you type in Konqueror while browsing
[13:41] <timri> emilsedgh: I esp. like the way you can change the speed / pause etc
[13:41] <emilsedgh> Jucato: '/' ?
[13:41] <timri> Jucato: Yeah!
[13:41] <Jucato> yeah
[13:41] <emilsedgh> timri: yes thats cool and really smooth, really usefull feature
[13:42] <Jucato> did you know that you can do the same thing in file management mode, without the '/', IF you type fast enough?
[13:42] <emilsedgh> Jucato: yes, but thats useless with filenames with more than 3 characters :D
[13:42] <posingaspopular> that's your answer to everything Jucato
[13:42] <Jucato> O.o
[13:42] <timri> Jucato: And did you know you can use regexps in the url ? like /home/timri/*.txt to only show textfiles :)
[13:42] <Jucato> timri: yep
[13:43] <Jucato> emilsedgh: why? 4 letters can still do well... as long as you type fast enough :)
[13:43] <emilsedgh> Jucato: thats the only thing that i prefer in gtk+ open/save dialogs
[13:43] <emilsedgh> Jucato: thats the point, i cant type 4 characters in less than a second :D
[13:43] <Jucato> :P
[13:43]  * Jucato thinks he can type 5...
[13:43] <timri> ;)
[13:44] <emilsedgh> timri: thats not regexp, wildcards
[13:44] <Jucato> in a second.
[13:44] <emilsedgh> Jucato: youre too fast!
[13:44] <timri> emilsedgh: Correct, my fault. It still rocks though!
[13:44] <emilsedgh> timri: yes it does!
[13:44]  * timri stops himself before he starts waxing poetics about the fish:/ kio slave
[13:45] <emilsedgh> i hope konqueror uses Kate part with writing mode...then it will be me prefered IDE :D
[13:45] <Jucato> O.o
[13:45] <Jucato> now let me see... kopete kpart, kovni kpart, amarok kpart.. what else? :)
[13:46] <Jucato> [/sarcasm] :P
[13:46] <timri> Jucato: Filelight!
[13:46] <Jucato> there already is
[13:46] <Jucato> :P
[13:46] <emilsedgh> Jucato: K3B needs one, really
[13:46] <timri> Jucato: I know! :)
[13:46] <emilsedgh> Jucato: burn:// is missing in kde
[13:46] <Jucato> emilsedgh: afaik there should have been one already... or was it something else. afaik K3b 1.0 has kde integration
[13:47] <Jucato> and afaik there are some stuff like that in kde-apps.org
[13:47] <emilsedgh> Jucato: really? i saw it in nautilus: the only feature that nautilus has and konqueror...
[13:47] <timri> Are there people with questions around here? Or just lots of answers :)
[13:48] <Jucato> might be a context/service menu though...
[13:49] <emilsedgh> Jucato: no, i mean full intergration, burn right from konqueror, i hope this will be in kde4, k3b started to port to kde4 this week
[13:49]  * Jucato recalls a kde-app thing
[13:49] <WaltzingAlong> timri: ok a question what is a main difference between fish:/ and sftp:/ ?
[13:50] <Jucato> fish:/ uses a Perl hack for servers that don't have ssh afaik..
[13:50] <emilsedgh> WaltzingAlong: fish:// is SSH and SCP, SFTP is FTP...
[13:50] <Jucato> emilsedgh: sftp uses ssh
[13:51] <WaltzingAlong> ftps is secure ftp. sftp is SSH ftp
[13:51] <timri> WaltzingAlong: Haven't got a clue I only use fish:/ Btw: coming from you thats in NO WAY a support question :)
[13:51] <emilsedgh> then so sorry for wrong info
[13:51] <WaltzingAlong> timri: :D
[13:51] <WaltzingAlong> timri: now you qualify it - needs to be a support question
[13:51] <Jucato> hold on. still looking for more accurate info
[13:52] <Jucato> ah both use fish
[13:52] <Jucato> er both use ssh
[13:52] <emilsedgh> Jucato: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Konqueror+Burning+Sidebar?content=14779 the Kde-app thing
[13:52] <timri> WaltzingAlong: My mentioning "questions" was ment as a subtle reminder of the channel topci :)
[13:52] <WaltzingAlong> have not used fish:/ until just now, had been using sftp:/ to perform the same end i guess
[13:52] <WaltzingAlong> about sftp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_file_transfer_program
[13:52] <Jucato> http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/kioslave/fish.html
[13:52] <Jucato> http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/kioslave/sftp.html
[13:53] <Jucato> emilsedgh: yeah probably that sidebar. can't be sure...
[13:53]  * Jucato does something else
[13:53] <emilsedgh> Jucato: thats a ioslave and depends on k3b
[13:53] <Thylio> i cant connect to my wlan, when i do iwconfig i get: eth1 unassociated ESSID: "Jensen AriLink" Mode:managed. exc. Why cant i connect?
[13:54] <timri> WaltzingAlong: come to think of it. I couldnt use sftp instead of fish, as i have no ftp server running! So that's your difference :)
[13:54] <Thylio> knetworkmanager is stuck at configurating unit.
[13:54] <WaltzingAlong> timri: i am also not using an ftp server. sftp:/ connects to the openssh-server
[13:55] <WaltzingAlong> !wifi | Thylio has troubleshooting tips here
[13:55] <ubotu> Thylio has troubleshooting tips here: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[13:55] <timri> WaltzingAlong: Ah, I learned something today :)
[13:55] <saad_> hello is any body using UBUNTU
[13:56] <WaltzingAlong> saad_: in a way most of us here would be; #ubuntu maybe you could find more; performing a poll?
[13:56] <saad_> i have a probleme i use a dvbs card
[13:56] <saad_> and che deasnt work with ubuntu
[13:56] <WaltzingAlong> saad_: this is the support channel of kubuntu you could also check in #ubuntu
[13:57] <timri> saad_: For kubuntu question you have come to the right place, for Ubuntu ones, trie #ubuntu
[13:57] <saad_> ok  thinks
[13:58] <timri> saad_: If it doesn't work with Ubuntu it is not very likely to work with Kubuntu either :(
[13:58] <WaltzingAlong> timri: (you may have been thinking of ftps)
[13:58] <timri> WaltzingAlong: I'am feeling dizzy :)
[13:59] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[14:01] <jeffm___> hi, all
[14:02] <timri> jeffm___: hi
[14:02] <jeffm___> Hey, dumb question.  I've got audio working on my machine, as evidenced by Amarok.  However, starting vmplayer gives me a message about /dev/dsp not existing.  I checked and it doesn't exist -- so what to do I tell vmplayer to use?
[14:02] <jeffm___> This must have been a result of the move to Gutsy because this is a VM that was configured on the same hardware under Feisty.
[14:03] <WaltzingAlong> !alsa
[14:03] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[14:03] <WaltzingAlong> !audio | jeffm___
[14:03] <ubotu> jeffm___: please see above
[14:06] <timri> jeffm___: Some suggestions I found: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=182304&highlight=vmware+sound
[14:07] <andreas> what is the command for installing rpm packages in terminal?
[14:07] <WaltzingAlong> !info alien | andreas
[14:07] <ubotu> andreas: alien: install non-native packages with dpkg. In component main, is optional. Version 8.68 (gutsy), package size 101 kB, installed size 276 kB
[14:08] <francesco_> !it
[14:08] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[14:09] <francesco_> come si apre conqueror da root?
[14:10] <Chrom_> greetings!
[14:10] <andreas> Why cant i install alien without the cd?
[14:11] <timri> Chrom_: Hi
[14:11] <Chrom_> has anyone found a workaround for the bug in compiz that makes the KDE systray crash and display docked icons as small windows?
[14:12] <timri> francesco_: This is VERY dangerous, but if you must: kdesu konqueror
[14:12] <timri> drat, too late
[14:13] <jeffm___> timri: thanks for the search.  I was pursuing the AOSS route and just hadn't come across that one yet.  I'm fighting a cold and finding the energy to even Google is becoming problematic.
[14:13] <andreas> a install prosses has locked how do i quit it?
[14:14] <timri> jeffm___: yeah, it is fairly obvious it is the lack of oss that is the problem. Perhaps your driver doesnt support it (or not anymore). There are several drivers with that problem
[14:15] <timri> jeffm__: you could pastebin the output of lspci, perhaps I could help you further.
[14:16] <WaltzingAlong> andreas: remove the cd as a source in /etc/apt/sources.list or graphically through manage repositories in adept manager
[14:18] <andreas> WaltzingAlong: Cant klikk on anything becuse i exited the installation of alien in the middle of the session
[14:19] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix | andreas, so adept/apt-get/dpkg/aptitude or the like is stuck, locking the database?
[14:19] <ubotu> andreas, so adept/apt-get/dpkg/aptitude or the like is stuck, locking the database?: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: ┬½ sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a ┬╗
[14:19] <andreas> thx:)