[00:14] <keithzg> This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but does anyone know of a decent way to wait for, and be notified of, specific events on a serial port? Say for instance when you get a RING?
[00:15] <holstein> script an email?
[00:16] <hitsujiTMO> keithzg: is anything using that serial port?
[00:16] <sarnold> keithzg: select() on the filedescriptor, and then read from the port when it's ready?
[00:16] <sarnold> (noting that I have no idea if select() works on serial devices... I suspect it does..)
[00:18] <keithzg> hitsujiTMO: Yeah, things are using the serial port, my officemate is trying to catch specific events so he can try and debug what's being passed between two things.
[00:20] <keithzg> sarnold: Aha, yeah that sounds like it might work. Although I think my officemate is leery of having to actually write something to do this with, was hoping for something prefabbed, heh.
[00:20] <hitsujiTMO> keithzg: i'm not an expert on this but afaik anything accessing a serial interface will lock the interface
[00:24] <hitsujiTMO> keithzg: personally i'd look into some sort of man in the middle attack or a splitter cable
[00:43] <pao> Good Day Everyone, I have a problem with an old ibm eserver xseries 225 using ubuntu server 12.04 at first boot it will only show blank screen after grub and when I hard reset it it will show grub and boot ubuntu and fallback to busybox, when I exit busybox it will load the server and run normally.
[00:46] <hitsujiTMO> pao: edit the grub entry and remove "quiet splash" from the linux boot line. his should at least give you a move verbose output so you can see the problem
[00:52] <pao> ok thanks hitsujiTMO
[02:34] <pao> Anyone here using old ibm eserver xseries 225 with 12.04?
[02:46] <pao> I have a problem on ioc1 after Attached SCSI disk and it will fallback to BusyBox? Using IBM eServer xseries 225 but after exiting busy box the server will load normally?
[02:49] <pao> [   19.072506] scsi target2:0:0: FAST-160 WIDE SCSI 320.0 MB/s DT IU QAS HMCS (
[02:49] <pao> 10:32 -!- Irssi: #ubuntu-server: Total of 357 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0        │6.25 ns, offset 63)
[02:49] <pao>           voices, 357 normal]                                                   │[   22.576563] sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
[02:49] <pao> 10:32 -!- Channel #ubuntu-server created Sun Nov 26 14:43:20 2006               │[   22.577275] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 286749488 512-byte logical blocks: (146 GB/136
[02:49] <pao> 10:33 -!- renebarbosa [~rene@unaffiliated/renebarbosa] has joined #ubuntu-server│ GiB)
[02:49] <pao> 10:34 -!- Irssi: Join to #ubuntu-server was synced in 77 secs                   │[   22.578455] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[02:49] <pao> 10:34 -!- claytonk<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has   │[   22.578511] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: ab 00 10 08 joined #ubuntu-server                                                 │[   22.580409] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, sup
[02:50] <pao> 10:34 < pao> Anyone here using old ibm eserver xseries 225 with 12.04?          │ports DPO and FUA
[02:50] <pao> 10:36 -!- Guest7381<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Ping       │[   22.597755]  sda: sda1 sda2 < sda5 > timeout: 252 seconds]                                                 │[   22.602140] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
[02:50] <pao> 10:39 -!- hitsujiTMO [~hitsujitm@unaffiliated/hitsujitmo] has quit [Quit:       │[   33.214960] mptbase: ioc1: ERROR - Wait IOC_READY state (0x20000000) timeout Leaving]                                                              │(15)!
[02:50] <pao> opps sorry about the flood putty mouse click paste
[02:52] <pao> │[   19.072506] scsi target2:0:0: FAST-160 WIDE SCSI 320.0 MB/s DT IU QAS HMCS ( │6.25 ns, offset 63)
[02:52] <pao>                                                                                │[   22.576563] sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
[02:52] <pao>                                                                                │[   22.577275] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 286749488 512-byte logical blocks: (146 GB/136
[02:52] <pao>                                                                                │ GiB)
[02:52] <holstein> !paste | pao
[02:52] <pao>                                                                                │[   22.578455] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[02:52] <pao>                                                                                │[   22.578511] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: ab 00 10 08
[02:52] <sarnold> pao: please, pastebins..
[02:52] <pao>                                                                                │[   22.580409] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, sup
[02:52] <pao>                                                                                │ports DPO and FUA
[02:52] <pao>                                                                                │[   22.597755]  sda: sda1 sda2 < sda5 >
[02:52] <pao>                                                                                │[   22.602140] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
[02:52] <pao>                                                                                │[   33.214960] mptbase: ioc1: ERROR - Wait IOC_READY state (0x20000000) timeout
[02:52] <pao>                                                                                │(15)!
[02:55] <TheLordOfTime> !pastebin | pao
[02:55] <TheLordOfTime> can someone help me translate iptables ICMP rules into ip6tables ICMP rules?
[02:56]  * TheLordOfTime is trying to duplicate his ruleset that he has in iptables so it works in ip6tables as well
[02:56] <TheLordOfTime> these are the icmp rules i have for v4: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6753999/
[02:57] <TheLordOfTime> if there's any i should have but am missing (for a standard desktop system firewall) please let me know
[03:05] <Patrickdk> hmm, unlike ipv4, there are a LOT MORE icmp6 types
[03:09] <pao> here my some of my dsmeg output when it falls to busybox http://paste.ubuntu.com/6754041/
[03:11] <TheLordOfTime> Patrickdk: so basically, i should just allow all ICMPv6 types?
[03:12] <Patrickdk> you could
[03:12] <pao> my dmesg all the fallback will occur at line 307 http://paste.ubuntu.com/6754046/ using IBM eServer xseries 225 maybe scsi drive problem? or something else?
[03:13] <Patrickdk> want to see mine?
[03:13] <TheLordOfTime> Patrickdk: if you want to share :)
[03:13] <Patrickdk> I'll warn you it's short and floppy
[03:13] <TheLordOfTime> at this point i just need the icmp ruleset
[03:13] <TheLordOfTime> that's better than having none :P
[03:14] <Patrickdk> isn't there a *wide* pastebin somewhere?
[03:15] <Patrickdk> http://pastebin.ca/2540658
[03:17] <TheLordOfTime> that's a lot of rules o.O
[03:17] <Patrickdk> not really
[03:18] <Patrickdk> ip6tables -L -nv | wc -l == 1228 lines
[03:18] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[03:18] <Patrickdk> and that is on a *simple* firewall
[03:19] <ruben231> hi guys ia hve install apache2 on my ubutnu server but i accidentalyl dleted the  default index.html adn index.php <-----------------how do i resolve this gusy somehow
[03:19] <Patrickdk> ah, the more complex one doesn't make it much more, only 1445 lines
[03:19] <Patrickdk> it's just the basic 800 or so, that makes it a lot
[03:19] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[03:20] <TheLordOfTime> the ICMP is what i'm really kinda worried about, because this system has pretty much every other port already blocked with a REJECT rule at the end of the INPUT table
[03:21] <Patrickdk> it's so much easier if you make it it's own chain
[03:21] <Patrickdk> AllowedICMP6 :)
[03:46] <TheLordOfTime> Patrickdk: indeed
[03:47] <pmatulis_> ruben231: download those files again
[04:26] <MarGul> When I try to upload a file I get the Error code 6 (No temporary folder). So I went into php.ini and changed my upload_tmp_dir to a dir that exists and I also changed permissions to 777 on it. Restarted php and phpinfo() has seen my changes. Still when I try and upload a file I get Error message 6. Any other things I can try?
[10:29] <CappyT> Hi everyone, I was looking for a good email ecosystem to install on ubuntu, like iRedMail (which use amavis)... anyone know one?
[11:14] <hXm> hi, does not exist an official package for use google drive?
[11:16] <ikonia> ask google
[11:16] <cfhowlett> hXm, not for linux/ubuntu    ask #google
[11:17] <hXm> but in google I saw there is a community version called grive but not in official repository
[11:17] <cfhowlett> hXm, and what does that tell you?
[11:17] <cfhowlett> hXm, nevermind; rhetorical.  short answer; google promised official client.  still waiting on that.
[11:17] <hXm> how trustable that package is, but I think is not so popular, so I will ask @google
[11:18] <cfhowlett> hXm, if it didn't come *from* google they likely won't support it.
[11:18] <hXm> thanks for your respond, cfhowlett  included the question
[11:18] <hXm> yes
[13:15] <sander^work> How do I mount a crypted ubuntu root partition?
[13:15] <yolanda> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/charms/precise/glance/ceph_alternatives/+merge/201771
[13:16] <hitsujiTMO> sander^work: encrypted with what? luks?
[13:16] <sander^work> hitsujiTMO, It's the default ubuntu way of encrypting root partition.
[13:17] <Patrickdk> default ways change
[13:17] <hitsujiTMO> sander^work: http://askubuntu.com/questions/63594/mount-encrypted-volumes-from-command-line
[13:18] <hitsujiTMO> sander^work: thats for luks, ubuntus default
[13:18] <sander^work> Patrickdk, it's in the latest ubuntu 13.10
[13:19] <Patrickdk> yes, but you didn't specify a version, so how would we know
[13:19] <sander^work> Understand.
[13:22] <sander^work> How do I figure out the encryption string to use for decryption? I suppose it's stored somewhere encrypted with the root password?
[13:22] <Patrickdk> no, that is not possible
[13:23] <Patrickdk> when you encrypted it, you would have had to memorized it
[13:23] <cfhowlett> sander^work, if you could figure out the encryption string that would rather defeat the purpose, no?
[13:24] <hitsujiTMO> sander^work: you find it out by discovering the cure to amnesia
[13:25] <sander^work> I think I didnt write down the encryption string when I installed the os. But it promted me that I also could use the root password some way. But maybe i've misunderstood.
[13:26] <cfhowlett> sander^work, you did indeed.
[13:26] <sander^work> cfhowlett, hitsujiTMO Patrickdk: How does the os then decrypts it?
[13:26] <Patrickdk> you type in the decryption password
[13:26] <cfhowlett> !encryption
[13:27] <Patrickdk> wrong factoid
[13:27] <sander^work> I don't when I boot the os.
[13:27] <Patrickdk> then you don't have an encrypted root
[13:27] <hitsujiTMO> sander^work: you either type in the password, or insert the usb containing the key depending on how its set up. by default its a password
[13:30] <sander^work> I crossed off for encrypted disk when I installed the os. I probably only have an encrypted home dir then?
[13:30] <Patrickdk> sounds like it
[13:30] <sander^work> How do I decrypt that then?
[13:30] <sander^work> Same way?
[13:31] <Patrickdk> ubottu just posted the url
[13:31] <sander^work> Ok, thanks!
[13:31] <hitsujiTMO> sander^work: look at the recover section https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory
[13:39] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/ftbfs-jan15/+merge/201774
[13:48] <jamespage> zul, +1
[13:48] <zul> jamespage:  thanks
[14:01] <zul> jamespage:  so neutron is still failing?
[14:20] <jamespage> zul, yes
[15:31] <zul> jamespage: i have a fix for nova for the issues from yesterday
[15:33] <zul> jamespage:  ill fix up neutron as well next
[15:38] <hallyn> sarnold: hi, could I impose on you for a review of lp:~serge-hallyn/+junk/cgmanager?  (will be trying to get it into the archive - and not long after into main - soon)
[15:39] <rharper> rbasak: uvt-simplestreams-libvirt sync release=lucid arch=amd64  doesn't do anything; though  sstream-query http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/ release=lucid arch=amd64 returns lots of images.
[16:22] <strixUK> afternoon all.  i have a problem with / on an md (raid1) + lvm volume on a fresh install of server 13.10.  i've traced things as far as udev, but i have no idea how udev works or where to look next
[16:23] <strixUK> the specific problem is that lvm says it can't map the root volume (possibly because the raid array isn't yet ready), so i get dumped to an initramfs shell.  the box boots okay after 'vgchange -ay' and ^D.
[16:24] <strixUK> can anybody help diagnose udev, or recommend a channel that might be able to?
[16:48] <claytonk> Interested to know how others are managing vmware-tools on their server fleets
[16:48] <claytonk> The vmware package repos don't keep up with the latest kernel releases
[16:49] <claytonk> could write a script that updates from the ISO but this seems clunky
[17:02] <hitsujiTMO> claytonk: you reffering to the kernel modules within vmware-tools?
[17:02] <claytonk> yes
[17:03] <ikonia> claytonk: they normally either a.) use a supported long term distro that doens't change kenrel version b.) have a central managment server thats pushes out the vmware install
[17:03] <ikonia> claytonk: what version of linux are you using ?
[17:03] <claytonk> trying out open-vm-tools
[17:04] <claytonk> we're running <IP_ADDRESS> LTS
[17:04] <hitsujiTMO> I install vmware tools alright, but generally go without those specific modules. They don't provide anything I need. They should build with kernel 3.2 if you need them
[17:04] <jrwren> that is 12.04.4
[17:04] <claytonk> yup
[17:04] <ikonia> claytonk: with the LTS standard kernel or the enablement stack ?
[17:05] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/ftbfs-jan14/+merge/201600
[17:05] <claytonk> enablement stack
[17:05] <ikonia> so that's why it's causing you a problem then
[17:06] <ikonia> as it's jumping to bleeding edge kernels, when vmware tools targets long term / stable distros
[17:10] <claytonk> ikonia: reading up on the enablement stack now
[17:13] <claytonk> open-vm-tools package seems to be meeting my needs
[17:13] <claytonk> other than possible VMware support issues, any known gotchas with open-vm-tools?
[17:42] <plm> Hi all
[17:42] <plm> people, anyone can help me with to compile libsimplelog?
[17:42] <plm> I'm installing libsimplelog and I have this error "make: *** [clean] Error 2" The complete error is here http://dpaste.com/1553061/ any idea?
[17:45] <hitsujiTMO> plm are you missing the dh-autoreconf package?
[17:46] <plm> hitsujiTMO: I tried with autoreconf -i and works =D
[17:46] <plm> hitsujiTMO: thanks
[17:48] <plm> hitsujiTMO: strange, I configure, make and make install and after try show "tcp-intercept: error while loading shared libraries: libsimplelog.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" Do you know why?
[17:49] <hitsujiTMO> plm: which command exactly is giving that error?
[17:50] <plm> hitsujiTMO: tcp-intercept... ohh works, Was miss net-tools =D
[18:23] <zul> roaksoax: can you do me a bzr review for me in a couple of minutes
[18:27] <roaksoax> zul: yes sir!
[18:27] <roaksoax> :P
[18:27] <zul> roaksoax:  still buidling locally
[18:31] <roaksoax> zul: I I captian :P
[18:41] <zul> jamespage:  still around?
[18:41] <zul> jamespage:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6757676/
[18:48] <zul> roaksoax:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/neutron/ftbfs-jan15/+merge/201826
[19:25] <jamespage> zul, nvp->nsx I suspect
[19:28] <zul> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/neutron/ftbfs-jan15/+merge/201826
[19:29] <jamespage> zul, +1
[19:29] <zul> jamespage:  thanks
[19:31] <zul> jamespage:  neutron needed the same sqlachemy fix
[19:31] <jamespage> zul, I guessed it might
[19:56] <nwilson5> if I wanted to run rsync regularly (i.e. every minute) over a directory with thousands of files or hundreds of thousands of files, many of which likely would not have changed, is that going to start taking too long/being too much work for the server. I could make a "smarter" backup strategy over the directory keeping track specifically of what's changed
[19:58] <bekks> Doing so will mess up the rsync sessions.
[19:58] <bekks> You dont want to run rsync that often.
[19:58] <sarnold> nwilson5: yeah you won't like the results of rsyncing every minute; you'd have to go to some effort to only run one rsync at a time, since it'll probably take far longer than a minute to stat all the files ..
[19:59] <nwilson5> ok assumed as much, was thinking of keeping track of all files appended to the directory and have a 'smarter' script that just backs those up.
[20:00] <sarnold> nwilson5: you could use incron to monitor a directory and discover new files and modified files, that'd be less painful...
[20:00] <sarnold> see e.g. http://inotify.aiken.cz/?section=incron&page=doc&lang=en
[20:28] <Free99> hey everyone. I'm trying to write a script that will email on a RAID error, problem is the mail sender is too simple (ssmtp) to send to multiple people simultaneously (or is it?)
[20:29] <Free99> test emails to one user works fine, but the docs say /etc/aliases are not supported... really don't want a full MTA
[20:33] <andol> Free99: Why wouldn't you want to use a full MTA? Unless we are talking an embedded system I really don't see the memory footprint being of much significance.
[20:35] <Free99> it's not the memory so much as that it's a whole new system to learn... ssmtp is great for when I'm the only person who needs scripts to mail notifications, plus no suid voodoo
[20:36] <andol> Free99: The default apt-get postfix install provides a few set of fairly straightforward default. As long as you make sure it only ends up listening on localhost there isn't really that much extra which can go wrong.
[20:36] <Free99> (shrug) andol if it comes down to it, I guess I'll use it, but damn if I'd rather not.
[20:37] <Free99> andol, so would I need to setup an MX record, or could I just have it send using smtp through my company mail server?
[20:38] <andol> Free99: A MX record only matters if you want to recieve e-mail, which I would assume isn't the plan?
[20:38] <Free99> oh, right.
[20:38] <Free99> nope, just send status of cron jobs and such
[20:39] <Free99> still would rather through the company server though
[20:40] <andol> Free99: Then just have postfix use the company server as a relay. There is a debconf option for that during the apt-get install.
[20:41] <Free99> hmm... I'm writing documentation on how to do all this, soup-to-nuts. How would I set the debconf non-interactively?
[20:43] <hXm> i install dropbox on ubuntu server and install the daemon using dropbox start -i, it installs something and when I run dropbox it says the daemon is not installed, is an infinite loop
[20:43] <hXm> what could i do
[21:10] <paco1> bonjour à tous. J'aimerai limiter l'usage du proc par slapd, parce que ca monte à 200%. J'ai tester "* - cpu 90" dans /etc/security/limits.conf, mais visiblement cela ne marche pas.
[21:10] <Pici> !fr
[21:12] <paco1> ah oups, j'ai ouvert le canal -fr juste a coté...désolé!
[21:14] <paco1> hello! i need help to limit the usage of the cpu. I tryed this "* - cpu 90" in "/etc/security/limits.conf", but it doesn't work because my cpus follow to have 200%
[21:35] <genii> !info cpulimit
[21:36] <sarnold> neat, thanks genii :)
[22:43] <paco1> thanks genii
[22:43] <paco1> it works very fine!
[23:07] <genii> paco1: Yer welcome :)
[23:14] <paco1> genii: yesterday i answer how can i avoid the (Too many Open Files) on my ldap servers. i tried "* - nofile 10000" in /etc/security/limits.conf but it doesn't work. Always, ulimit -n give me 1024.
[23:17] <sarnold> paco1: how does your ldap server get started? you might need to throw in a ulimit -n 10000 into an initscript or upstart configuration file
[23:17] <sarnold> paco1: the PAM limits are only applied if a PAM module is called before starting the daemon..
[23:25] <paco1> sarnold: arghhh
[23:25] <paco1> ok
[23:26] <paco1> i'll integrate it in the initscript
[23:26] <paco1> thanks!
[23:27] <sarnold> paco1: oh yes; check to make sure your ldap server doesn't use select(). if it does use select() you'll be in a world of hurt if it goes beyond 1024 file descriptors.
[23:27] <sarnold> paco1: poll() and epoll() are fine though.
[23:28] <paco1> sarnold: where can i check it? in the initscript?
[23:31] <sarnold> paco1: I think most likely to work is objdump -T `which ldapd` | grep select
[23:31] <sarnold> paco1: though reading the source would also work
[23:38] <paco1> sarnold: but i need to activate the debug mode on the slapd process before to run this comand, right?
[23:40] <sarnold> paco1: no, just run it, it ought to work
[23:41] <paco1> it search a.out file "objdump: 'a.out': No such file"
[23:42] <sarnold> paco1: ah sorry, I dont know the name of the ldapd -- replace `which ldapd` with the actual path the ldap daemon you're using
[23:43] <paco1> ah no, me, excuse me, i tried it but: "objdump: 'slapd': No such file"
[23:43] <sarnold> paco1: would that be in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin/ or .. ? be sure to use the right path
[23:45] <paco1> /ur/local/ldap/libexec/, and it is in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ldap.conf


[05:58] <j0rd_> can anyone here help.? The menu bar on the top of each window is missing (file, edit, etc...) and i have no idea how it happened of how to fix it.
[06:00] <holstein> j0rd_: do this
[06:00] <holstein> make another user account
[06:00] <holstein> loging
[06:00] <holstein> login*
[06:00] <holstein> and see if all is well...
[06:01] <j0rd_> i'll try that next holstein
[06:01] <j0rd_> I have tried login / logout / reboot / xfce4 --replace / xfwm4 -r / etc but the bar is still missin, my son ninjad my keyboard so im guessing some sort of key combo perhaps
[06:02] <j0rd_> also icons mising from pannel, like the session icon is missing, if i click where it is ment to be the menu shows up but no icons for it
[06:03] <j0rd_> all google urns up is junk for restarting the panels
[06:03] <holstein> you logged in as the new user?
[06:03] <holstein> and its the same?
[06:03] <j0rd_> just setting up a new user account now
[06:06] <holstein> test_: ?
[06:06] <holstein> no good?
[06:07] <test_> fixed
[06:07] <holstein> ok
[06:07] <holstein> hmmm
[06:07] <holstein> im not sure exactly where it is
[06:07] <test_> is there any way to fix my normal acct or is it a case of transfering everything to a new acct
[06:08] <holstein> i would just start renaming .xfce config directories
[06:08] <test_> hmmm
[06:08] <holstein> renaming
[06:08] <holstein> or moving
[06:08] <holstein> so you can easily revert*
[06:08] <test_> where would i find those, hidden in ~/ .?
[06:08] <holstein> yup
[06:08] <holstein> someone could come along that knows the magic key combo though
[06:08] <holstein> it would be nice to know that
[06:09] <test_> so just add ".old" onto the end of every xfce config i can find in ~/ .?
[06:10] <holstein> thats one way
[06:10] <holstein> log out and back in
[06:10] <holstein> and they should regenerate
[06:10] <holstein> and your settings should become default
[06:10] <test_> kk, will try that next, thanks heap holstein
[06:17] <j0rd_> yhankyou heaps holstein...you just saved me from a masive headache and taught me something useful too, much appreciated
[06:17] <holstein> j0rd_: :)
[06:17] <holstein> it would be nice to know what happened though
[06:18] <holstein> im going to have to think about that one
[06:18] <holstein> glad its sorted out though
[06:18] <j0rd_> no doubt..my son is a key board ninja, at 3 yerars old
[06:18] <holstein> hehe


[00:01] <slangasek> superm1: so I think my time today is pretty much booked; I would suggest trying to grab an archive admin over the weekend (maybe me again)
[00:01] <superm1> slangasek, i wasn't too sure about anyone sticking around for the weekend so i was going to try to ask before end of work day.  thanks, i'll keep my eyes peeled
[00:04] <slangasek> stgraber: is there a reasonable way to locate test results for previous isos?
[00:05] <stgraber> slangasek: no, archives are still broken :(
[00:05] <slangasek> stgraber: I don't see any tests for the current xubuntu or ubuntustudio yet; if there were some for the previous iteration, we could probably run with it
[00:05] <slangasek> hmm, ok
[00:05] <stgraber> I don't think those were tested (at least ubuntustudio, not sure for Xubuntu)
[00:06] <stgraber> the order of testing for the day was like : Ubuntu, Edubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, UbuntuStudio (Kubuntu had a lot of testing yesterday)
[00:07] <slangasek> TheMuso, joejaxx, persia, _MMA_: around?  anyone able to test ubuntustudio images so we can bless the alpha?
[00:07] <_MMA_> Sure.
[00:07] <stgraber> slangasek: I tried some keyword on LP and wasn't able to find a bug number for the icon thing on the livecd (or I'm just bad at searching on LP)
[00:07] <_MMA_> What image? link?
[00:08]  * persia hunts qa.ubuntu.com
[00:08] <stgraber> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/20080201/
[00:08] <slangasek> that one, yes :)
[00:08]  * _MMA_ downloads.
[00:08] <persia> _MMA_: Which arch are you taking?
[00:09] <Riddell> doesn't ubuntu i368 desktop need testing too?
[00:09] <_MMA_> persia: i386
[00:09] <stgraber> Riddell: doing it
[00:09] <stgraber> well, it's actually installed, just need to reboot and test the desktop
[00:10] <_MMA_> persia: AMD64 would be hard to do this very second. Would require more time.
[00:10] <persia> _MMA_: I'm grabbing it now.
[00:10] <_MMA_> persia: AMD64?
[00:11] <persia> _MMA_: Yes.
[00:11] <_MMA_> Cool.
[00:11] <persia> (needs another 4 minutes to finish the download)
[00:11] <stgraber> Who are the Xubuntu guys ? It would be good to have Xubuntu tested too
[00:11] <_MMA_> somerville32: ping ^^^
[00:14] <stgraber> slangasek: Do you want to file the device shown on desktop bug or can I ? the next question being against what ? nautilus ?
[00:15] <slangasek> stgraber: please go ahead; yes, nautilus seems a good starting point
[00:19] <slangasek> somerville32, stgraber: I'm trying to grab the xubuntu amd64 desktop for a test, but it'll be a while on the download
[00:19] <stgraber> ok
[00:22] <stgraber> slangasek: bug 188229
[00:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188229 in nautilus "[Hardy] rofs and cdrom icons shown on LiveCD desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188229
[00:30]  * stgraber takes Ubuntu Desktop i386 - OEM as last test for the day (01:30 here)
[00:31] <slangasek> thanks for your perseverance :)
[00:45] <_MMA_> slangasek: It will be about 60 mins or so 'till I can bless the disk as our full install is pretty big.
[00:46]  * joejaxx goes to install
[00:46] <slangasek> _MMA_: understood
[00:50] <selckin> what package makes the folders Documents & stuff in $HOME?
[00:52] <joejaxx> selckin: i think that is related to xdg-user-dirs
[00:52] <joejaxx> the packages anyway
[00:52] <_MMA_> It is.
[00:52] <joejaxx> package*
[00:53] <stgraber> slangasek: OEM install seems broken
[00:53] <selckin> thanks
[00:53] <stgraber> slangasek: after reboot I have no oem-config installed
[00:53] <slangasek> stgraber: hmm, ok.  also not a blocker
[00:54] <slangasek> somerville32: mm, booting xubuntu amd64 desktop gives me a blank desktop screen, please advise
[00:55] <stgraber> slangasek: it didn't ask for a password although I have set one and just auto-logged in
[00:55]  * joejaxx pokes wget to move more bytes faster
[00:56] <stgraber> slangasek: what package is the best for OEM install bugs ? oem-config, ubiquity ?
[00:56] <stgraber> slangasek: as oem-config isn't installed I would bet on ubiquity but I'm not sure of how that stuff works :)
[00:56] <slangasek> stgraber: I guess assigning it to either is fine
[00:58] <stgraber> evand: ^^
[00:59] <evand> oem-config
[01:09] <stgraber> Can anyone do an auto-resize test ? According to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases we don't have any single result for it
[01:10] <_MMA_> stgraber: I can help tomorrow. Though, that might be too late. :(
[01:28] <_MMA_> slangasek: Im still here. @ 65% now. If this installs just push both Ubuntu Studio disks. I should know in 25 mins.
[01:28] <slangasek> ok
[01:30] <slangasek> superm1: can you advise on the fact that xubuntu desktop ISO gives me a blank screen on amd64?  I'm inclined to push the alpha out with just alternates for xubuntu, if that's alright with you
[01:31] <slangasek> (and if the alternates work better, which I'm still in the process of downloading to verify)
[01:31] <superm1> slangasek, i dont have an amd64 unfortunately
[01:31] <superm1> so i wouldn't be able to test
[01:31] <slangasek> ok. has xubuntu desktop been tested on i386?
[01:31] <superm1> i was assuming somerville32 was doing the testing on it (i've been away from the project for some time)
[01:32] <slangasek> mm, ok
[01:43] <slangasek> oh, sigh
[01:44] <slangasek> superm1, somerville32: libxine1-ffmpeg: Depends: libavcodec1d (>= 0ecvs20070307) but it is not installable
[01:44] <superm1> slangasek, on what source package was this?
[01:44] <_MMA_> slangasek: Is tomorrow (east-cost of the states here) too late for your testing? I can easily do any i386 testing.
[01:44] <slangasek> somerville32: sorry, we can try to roll out a xubuntu alpha after the weekend if you guys can get this fixed
[01:45] <slangasek> superm1: not a source package, that's the xubuntu alternate install
[01:45] <superm1> slangasek, so a broken seed then?
[01:45] <slangasek> _MMA_: yes, I want to pull the trigger on this when your 25 minute counter is up :)
[01:45] <slangasek> superm1: well, libxine1-ffmpeg appears to be uninstallable, perhaps it needs a rebuild or something
[01:46] <_MMA_> slangasek: On Ubuntu Studio sure. Im talking about other testing.
[01:46] <_MMA_> Other disks.
[01:46] <_MMA_> (97% cleaning up)
[01:47] <superm1> slangasek, well that's odd since it's installable locally
[01:47] <slangasek> _MMA_: oh, well, additional testing and feedback is welcome of course
[01:47] <slangasek> _MMA_: but at that point it will no longer factor into the decision to release :)
[01:47] <_MMA_> slangasek: I see.
[01:48] <_MMA_> Ill hop on -testing tomorrow.
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Hmm, none of pitti's syncs of about 12 hours ago seem to have worked.
[01:50] <slangasek> Fujitsu: they're still held up because of the alpha
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Hardy doesn't look frozen...
[01:53] <_MMA_> slangasek: Push the Ubuntu Studio disks. Thanx for the work.
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: apparently everything is built.  taht doesn't look right
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: the name of one of the syncs?
[01:54] <Fujitsu> Bug #187737, bug #187311..
[01:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187737 in ghemical "Please sync ghemical 2.95-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187737
[01:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187311 in pari "Please sync pari 2.3.3-2  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187311
[01:54] <slangasek> _MMA_: pushing, cheers
[01:55] <slangasek> Hobbsee, Fujitsu: the bugs have been closed, the syncs haven't been flushed yet
[01:55] <Hobbsee> looks worrying
[01:55] <Hobbsee> slangasek: where are they?
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Aha, I wondered if there was some extra thing that had to be done at the end.
[01:56] <slangasek> Hobbsee: they're in the sync queue, they were held back on account of the alpha still being in progress. I'll flush them this evening.
[02:09] <ryanakca> cjwatson: oooh, that vim + launchpad bug thing is sharp/nice/fancy/<positive adjective> :D
[02:13] <slangasek> superm1: here's the problem in the build log:
[02:13] <slangasek> ? Package libavcodec1d blacklisted in ship but seeded in desktop (libxine1-ffmpe
[02:13] <slangasek> g)
[02:21] <superm1> slangasek, her that's interesting.
[02:51] <zoke> who do I talk to if a component of linux-ubuntu-modules needs to be synced with upstream ?
[02:52] <zoke> ie a really awesome super duper patch was introduced in upstream and it would be very good if it could be let in for Hardy
[02:52] <ScottK> zoke: Sounds like you'd want #ubuntu-kernel
[02:52] <zoke> thanks ScottK
[04:11] <TheMuso> slomo__: SOrry I haven't been around. Been out most of the day.
[04:11] <TheMuso> ugh
[04:11] <TheMuso> slangasek: ^^
[04:55] <jdong> mjg59: poke. When you wake up, please look at bug 188261. Hopefully my night of frustration will save someone else some time.
[04:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188261 in pm-utils "[debdiff] pm-utils modunload nonfunctional" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188261
[07:38] <warp10> Good morning
[07:53] <soren> Chipzz: Why?
[08:27] <freepenguin> now I've finally the page of ubuntu free penguin edition: http://www.freepenguin.it/ubuntufp-download-en.html
[08:43] <slangasek> TheMuso: you're allowed... :)
[08:44] <TheMuso> slangasek: I know, but I still have a vested interest in the UbuntuStudio project.
[08:45] <slangasek> TheMuso: right, well we seem to have managed to get the testing done that was needed
[08:45] <slangasek> and it's not your fault that the testing window was so short because of the need to reroll all images :/
[08:49] <TheMuso> slangasek: heh right. I tested an image of ours yesterday, from Thursday, and it seemed to be alright, appart from a few little things that need to be worked on, which are not sstudio specific anyway.
[08:52] <slangasek> yeah, the re-roll was primarily for the global "eat my old OS" bug in partman-target
[08:52] <slangasek> anyway, I'm off for the night now
[09:21] <stgraber> anyone with power on www.ubuntu.com ?
[09:21] <stgraber> The OEM install functionality does not work in this alpha. Investigation of this issue is ongoing.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/188240
[09:21] <stgraber> the link should be /bugs/188240
[10:07] <Chipzz> soren: because it's not strictly needed for the correct functioning of your package, ie if you use bridged networking?
[10:13] <superm1> doko, bug 103929 was assigned to you a long time ago.  have you put any more thought towards it?
[10:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103929 in bash "Bash prompt string looks for xterm-color, gnome terminal identifies as xterm" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103929
[12:31] <mjj29> if I (as a DD) want to start taking a more active role in getting my packages into ubuntu (rather than just waiting for the sync from sid) how is it best to go about it?
[12:32] <mjj29> (just prompting the migration is probably sufficient)
[12:37] <jeromeg> mjj29: what are your packages ?
[12:38] <mjj29> jeromeg: an assortment. javatools (source) being the current one
[12:38] <mjj29> although I don't want to push than until the revised version I just uploaded hits
[12:38] <mjj29> s/than/that/
[12:38] <jeromeg> ok
[12:38] <mjj29> everything's in universe atm
[12:38] <jeromeg> if it can be synced and you don't want to wait for the automatic sync
[12:39] <jeromeg> you can fill a sync request
[12:39] <mjj29> (although that one might be a candidate for main)
[12:39] <mjj29> ok
[12:39] <jeromeg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[12:39] <sistpoty> erm... since we're past debian import freeze, no packages gets synced automatically any longer for hardy
[12:40] <jeromeg> sistpoty: yep, but I thought that by saying "waiting for a sync" he meant the automatic syncs
[12:40] <sistpoty> ah, yeah
[12:41] <sistpoty> mjj29: btw.: would be good to add to the sync request, that you maintain it in debian ;)
[12:42] <mjj29> sistpoty: "archive: open for development" doesn't mean what I think it does then?
[12:43] <sistpoty> mjj29: well, currently hardy is still in no freeze, apart from that no automatic syncs are getting processed any longer
[12:43] <mjj29> right, but manual syncs are still ok?
[12:43] <sistpoty> sure
[12:43] <sistpoty> btw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[12:44] <pitti> mjj29: as sistpoty says; syncs can be done without restrictions, but upon manual requests, so that we avoid syncing large library transitions without notice, etc.
[12:44] <mjj29> sure
[12:44] <mjj29> so I've got until valentines day for anything I want synced?
[12:44] <pitti> mjj29: you can always poke us here if you want a particular package synced, or something uploaded to Ubuntu directly
[12:44] <pitti> mjj29: in theory much longer even
[12:45] <pitti> mjj29: in Feb we have feature freeze
[12:45] <mjj29> sure
[12:45] <pitti> after that we can still sync/upload, but only for bug fixes
[12:45] <pitti> or after getting a feature freeze exception from our release manager
[12:46] <sistpoty> pitti: btw.: we decided to rename motu-uvf to motu-release in last nights motu meeting
[12:49] <pitti> sistpoty: ah, makes sense
[12:49] <pitti> ok, I'm off again, happy weekend everyone
[12:50] <sistpoty> happy weekend pitti
[14:10] <alefteris> where can I modify the translation of the list of languages used by the language-support configuration applet?
[14:58] <mr_pouit> cjwatson: xubuntu builds don't ship any xfce package (that's why slangasek got a blank screen after gdm) ;/
[15:00] <Hobbsee> mr_pouit: ...yay!
[15:03] <mr_pouit> Hobbsee: oh, I'm sure there's worse ^^'
[15:04] <Hobbsee> probably
[15:22] <zoke> bug 186062
[15:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186062 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "please update linux-wlan-ng (prism2_usb) to latest upstream version (>=1847)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186062
[15:36] <Hobbsee> !ping
[15:36] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[15:38] <realist> pong!
[15:49] <mantiena-baltix> Hi all
[16:02] <mantiena-baltix> Hi all
[16:02] <mantiena-baltix> maybe someone knows why there are not translation templates for brasero CD/DVD burner ? brasero is in main
[16:02] <mantiena-baltix> see https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/brasero
[16:03] <__mikem> Can someone here help me with wubi-cdboot.exe. I am trying to use it, but when it gets to the part where I have to select a partition, the virtual disk doesn't show up as a choice to install ubuntu on
[16:03] <__mikem> win 3
[16:03] <__mikem> oops
[16:05] <realist> mikem235: take note of the topic.
[16:06] <mikem235> realist, I am using IRSSI and can nolonger see the topic
[16:07] <realist> mikem235: /topic
[16:07] <realist> Basically, #ubuntu for support
[16:08] <pochu> mantiena-baltix: perhaps a rosetta admin needs to accept the template.
[16:09] <__mikem> realist, basically, you are not an op in here, so you should follow the defacto standard of irc ediquite that if you don't know the answer to somebodys question, you keep your trap shut
[16:10] <evand> ...
[16:10] <_MMA_> sigh
[16:10] <realist> __mikem: perhaps you'd prefer I ignore you in future.
[16:10] <evand> __mikem: You might as well leave, I seriously doubt anyone is going to help you now.
[16:10] <__mikem> evand, thats fine
[16:11] <mantiena-baltix> pochu: how I can ask rosetta admins to accept ?
[16:12] <ScottK2> mantiena-baltix: I think in #launchpad, but admins there aren't very active on the weekends.
[16:12] <pochu> mantiena-baltix: I guess ask them in #launchpad. But I'm not sure that's the reason the are no templates yet...
[16:12] <pochu> mantiena-baltix: although as the package is using cdbs, it should have created them, as we patch cdbs to do so
[16:13] <pochu> mantiena-baltix: carlos or danilos in #launchpad might know
[16:25] <mantiena-baltix> pochu: yea, they are not active, I don't see nor Carlos nor danilos in #launchpad
[16:25] <pochu> mantiena-baltix: it's Saturday... I suggest you either mail launchpad-users@ or try on Monday
[17:41] <soren> Chipzz: When you install libvirt-bin, you automagically get a virtual network set up. It'll fail completely without bridge-utils, and not behave as configured without dnsmasq.
[18:16] <Treenaks> soren: speaking of the virt stuff.. IT ROCKS!
[18:18] <Treenaks> soren: now all I'm waiting for is beta, so I can run it on my servers as well ;)
[18:34] <Chipzz> soren: shouldn't it be a recommends then?
[19:26] <IrishDavid> hey, im trying to get alpha4 but the server is rather slow, are there any mirrors, I've tried looking and the torrent has no seeds
[19:27] <slangasek> somerville32: so, daily builds are re-enabled now; if you guys get the xubuntu seed fixed for the libavcodec issue (which seems to require pulling libxine1-ffmpeg, given that libavcodec is blacklisted due to a TB resolution), I'm happy to tag one of them as an alpha-4 if you guys get one you'd like
[19:27] <slangasek> IrishDavid: we don't mirror the alphas; the torrent tracker was late to be activated but should be up now, which image are you trying to get?
[19:28] <IrishDavid> i386 altho i also intend to get amd64 eventually to test
[19:28] <slangasek> IrishDavid: so http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-4/hardy-desktop-i386.iso?
[19:28] <IrishDavid> yeah
[19:28] <slangasek> ok, checking
[19:29] <IrishDavid> its downloading at 200kb/s which i guess isnt really slow :) but my connection normally does 1500kb/s off the ubuntu server so i was wondering about a mirror
[19:31] <crimsun> http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/alpha-4/hardy-desktop-i386.iso and http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/alpha-4/hardy-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:32] <Joe_CoT> hey, now that alpha 4 is out, any chance a core dev could look at bug 15051 and bug bug 186187 ?
[19:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 15051 in pcre3 "grep -P is not supported" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15051
[19:32] <IrishDavid> thanks crimsun
[19:33] <IrishDavid> thats more like the network utilisation i like to see :D
[19:34] <mr_pouit> slangasek: the previous builds didn't ship any xfce packages (that's why you experienced a blank screen). Is that fixed? I'll fix the seeds then.
[19:36] <slangasek> mr_pouit: oh, I have no idea if that's fixed. where did this bug manifest?
[19:38] <mr_pouit> slangasek: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/hardy/xubuntu/latest/ <<< grep xfce returns nothing
[19:39] <mr_pouit> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/xubuntu/hardy/daily-20080201.log same here ;/
[19:39] <slangasek> oh, well I guess that could be a problem, couldn't it
[19:39] <mr_pouit> it didn't like the move to universe maybe...
[19:40] <slangasek> hrm? I see plenty of references to xfce in the daily log for the alternate; but maybe not the right ones?
[19:40] <slangasek> but yes, I suppose something's gone wrong with the universe move and the seeding
[19:41] <slangasek> probably in either germinate or debian-cd; cjwatson is probably the best person to look at this
[19:42] <mr_pouit> I told him this, but I guess he's off now.
[19:43]  * slangasek nods
[19:43] <superm1> slangasek, do you think you can get a moment today to release those binaries that i mentioned yesterday possibly?
[19:43] <mr_pouit> where are the logs of the alternate builds?
[19:44] <slangasek> mr_pouit: that's the cd-build-log you're looking at
[19:44] <slangasek> superm1: yes, I believe so
[19:44] <superm1> slangasek, great thanks a bunch
[19:44] <mr_pouit> slangasek: ah ok, thankx ^^
[19:44] <mr_pouit> -x+s
[19:47] <slangasek> superm1: lintian reports that libmyth-perl is installed to the wrong path, are you aware of this?
[19:47] <mr_pouit> yes, the alternate seems to be well generated...
[19:47] <slangasek> superm1: also, libmyth-0.21-0 would be a more appropriate package name for the given sonames
[19:48] <superm1> slangasek, there has been no errors with libmyth-perl thus far in our testing
[19:48] <superm1> let me check something.
[19:48] <slangasek> superm1: could you perhaps fix the latter and reupload?
[19:48] <superm1> yeah i can do that
[19:48] <slangasek> superm1: you won't find an error in testing, but /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8 is a reserved directory for the perl implementation itself, and libmyth-perl will stop being seen in the path if/when we upgrade to perl 5.8.9
[19:49] <superm1> slangasek, yeah upstream has a few things hardcoded with that regard.  i'll need to bug them to clean that up then
[19:49] <StevenK> slangasek: 5.8.10, i think you mean
[19:49] <superm1> slangasek, i'll get a new upload in a few minutes
[19:51] <slangasek> StevenK: whichever :)
[19:51] <slangasek> StevenK: you're awake, then I see
[19:52] <StevenK> slangasek: Yeah. Have been for about two hours - slowly packing
[19:52] <slangasek> ok
[19:53] <stgraber> slangasek: can you update the release notes on www.ubuntu.com ?
[19:54] <stgraber> slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/188240 instead of https://bugs.launchpad.net/188240
[19:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188240 in oem-config "[Hardy] OEM install from Desktop CD doesn't work" [Undecided,New]
[19:56] <slangasek> stgraber: oops, yes, passing this on
[20:15] <soren> Chipzz: How do you figure that?
[20:17] <soren> Treenaks: I'm glad that you're glad :)
[20:49] <jm> If upstream seems uninterested in a patch, should I try to get it into the -ubuntuX patchset, or are those patches reserved for special Ubuntu-only compatibility things?
[20:50] <ScottK2> They are not reserved for that, but if upstream is uninterested, we'd have to be convinced it was worth the long term extra maintenance burden.
[20:52] <jm> So the patches would have to be for something important, then? I'm trying to add support for embedded cover art to Rhythmbox/GStreamer, but patches in bugzilla have gone unreviewed and mails to the lists unanswered.
[21:01] <ScottK2> It depends.  For a package that already has an Ubuntu diff, the barrier is lower.
[21:02]  * ScottK2 is a Kubuntu person, so I've really no opinion on gstreamer
[21:04] <pochu> Our gstreamer packages are almost in sync with Debian
[21:05] <pochu> We have a small diff in debian/rules in all of them, which will be sorted out soon using lsb_release so we can sync them.
[21:05] <pochu> jm: will the patches land in gstreamer and rhythmbox, or only rhythmbox?
[21:06] <ScottK2> jm: Which means Debian is probably your best entry point.
[21:06] <jm> Both
[21:06] <jm> Gstreamer patches are for creating the "image" tag for FLAC and Ogg/Vorbis files
[21:06] <jm> Rhythmbox patch is for detecting "image" tag, and storing it as metadata.
[21:06] <pochu> jm: if they got unanswered upstream, perhpaps it's a matter of resources instead of they don't wanting the patches.
[21:07] <pochu> jm: have you tried #gstreamer and #rhythmbox on GimpNet?
[21:07] <pochu> Perhaps you find someone to review the patches there
[21:07] <jm> Yes, am in them now, but I've asked for devs to take a look and there's been no response.
[21:08] <jm> Best response was a dev assigning the Ogg/Vorbis patch, but since the latest -base was just released a few days ago I'm guessing it wouldn't be in a stable release in time for Hardy.
[21:09] <pochu> Unless it's committed to the 0.10.17 branch, I don't think so
[21:10] <jm> Should I put my patches up on Launchpad with a debdiff? I don't mind if they get rejected, as long as somebody actually sees them.
[21:11] <pochu> For the gstreamer one, ask slomo when he's around.
[21:11] <pochu> Rhythmbox one, wait to see if the gstreamer one is accepted, I'd say ;)
[21:11] <jm> OK, I'll try to go poke the RB devs some more, then.
[21:11] <pochu> Good luck
[22:40] <Riddell> jm: if something makes ubuntu better feel free to add an ubuntuX patch, just make sure to pass it upstream as well
[22:55] <jdong> 666llkjhgffhgfhgfgffddssxcll;;'
[22:56] <jdong> err... disregard that. cleaning keyboard
[22:56] <sistpoty> jdong: you forgot some keys :P
[22:56] <jdong> sistpoty: meh only the home row was really bothering me ;-)
[22:57] <sistpoty> heh
[22:57] <jdong> it's only while writing C code that you realize the semicolon has some stuff underneath it.
[23:36] <mjg59> jdong: Please reping or email me - I'm travelling for the next 20 hours or so
[23:36] <jdong> mjg59: ok that's fine, you've got bugmail on pm-utils when you get back then :)
[23:59] <mjg59> jdong: Ok, thanks - which module did you need to deal with?


[13:41] <sh1ngo> ?help
[13:43] <penguin42> state the nature of the help required
[13:47] <sh1ngo> Hello, i'm trying to install ubuntu 13.10 with full encryption (+LVM) on my laptop. I live in Belgium and my keyboard is Azerty (be-latin1 I suppose). i give in my passphrase (contains a "!"), but on boot it says i entered a wrong passphrase. I googled the issue and I found it's a bug (Ubuntu 11.04...) which only accepts US keyboard layout on startup (which is a critical bug if u ask me), can't find a solution. Is there a fix to
[13:48] <penguin42> oh that is a bit nasty
[13:48] <sh1ngo> :(
[13:48] <sh1ngo> on windows with truecrypt, it always worked
[13:49] <sh1ngo> same passphrase
[13:49] <penguin42> sh1ngo: When you log in, do you get the right keyboard layout on the text console?
[13:49] <sh1ngo> yes, I select "dutch" language and it auto-detects my keyboard layout (belgian)
[13:49] <sh1ngo> of do you mean tty1 ?
[13:49] <sh1ngo> or*
[13:50] <penguin42> yeh I mean tty1
[13:50] <sh1ngo> sec
[13:50] <penguin42> if you type on tty1 is the keyboard layout correct?
[13:50] <sh1ngo> i'm on Live CD now, and tty is qwerty
[13:51] <sh1ngo> gui is azerty
[13:51] <penguin42> sh1ngo: OK, but do you think you can type your passphrase in so it will let you login for real?
[13:52] <sh1ngo> i googled qwerty layout and tried to enter it accordingly but it failed, so i don't know
[13:52] <sh1ngo> but the problem is the "!"
[13:52] <penguin42> I'm wondering if you're seeing bug 1235104 - although that's filed against mint
[13:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1235104 in Linux Mint "Passphrase for LVM & HDD Encryption is based on QWERTY Keyboard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235104
[13:52]  * penguin42 looks up azerty keyboard - yeuch!
[13:53] <brainwash> this one 1047384
[13:53] <brainwash> bug 1047384
[13:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047384 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "System Encryption Password set before setting keyboard locale" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047384
[13:53] <penguin42> sh1ngo: Try shift-1
[13:54] <sh1ngo> that's what I did at boot... here in tty Live it works, but not after install :S
[13:54] <penguin42> sh1ngo: Actually, reading that bug, the problem is the other way around
[13:54] <sh1ngo> isn't there a way to just set keyboard layout to be-latin1 in tty so installer accepts it?
[13:54] <penguin42> sh1ngo: It suggests that the passphrase entry used qwerty but perhaps the boot process used it correctly
[13:56] <penguin42> sh1ngo: if your text console is in qwerty at the moment, then I'd try typing your passphrase like you think you did and see what comes out on the terminal; then try entering what it says
[13:56] <sh1ngo> maybe i should just try and  type my passphrase "qwerty-style" in installer so i can type it in azerty at boot :p but tats not rly a  real solution
[13:56] <sh1ngo> ye probably
[13:56] <sh1ngo> but still, it should  be fixed tbh :(
[13:57] <penguin42> yeh, I agree
[13:58] <penguin42> sh1ngo: Reading that bug it turns out to be non-trivial for the installer to fix because it means they have to change the order around
[13:58] <sh1ngo> why don't they do it? ^^
[13:58] <penguin42> sh1ngo: The other thing is that you can change your luks passphrase post install, so maybe use a simple passphrase during install and then change it later
[13:59] <sh1ngo> i'm just going to install now, typing the passphrase "qwerty-style", should work, thanks for your time ! it's a painful bug :/
[14:00] <sh1ngo> cya !
[14:00] <penguin42> yeh agreed
[14:02] <penguin42> that's a depressingly bad, understood bug to be left so broken for so long
[16:42] <hjd> Could someone please mark bug 1245143 as Triaged/High? (It's an editor, so opening files is a rather essential feature).
[16:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1245143 in python-defaults (Ubuntu) "Idle does not open .py files" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1245143
[16:44]  * penguin42 looks
[16:46] <penguin42> hjd: Why is that against python-defaults ?
[16:49] <hjd> penguin42: I wondered about that too, but when I checked the overview page (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults) it looks like it offers the idle binary. So I assume that is actually correct.
[16:50] <penguin42> ah yeh you're right
[16:54] <penguin42> done
[16:57] <hjd> penguin42: Thank you :)
[16:57] <penguin42> no problem