[00:44] <jcastro> jono: hah
[00:44] <jcastro> Have you ever used a Nexus phone (like Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 4) with ICS? If so, how can you claim the interface is not beautiful and polished?
[00:44] <jcastro> I have, and I can claim the interface is not beautiful and polished.
[00:45] <jcastro> that's the best thing I've heard all day
[00:45] <jono> jcastro, lol :-)
[01:21] <jcastro> jono: ah! look at this one
[01:22] <jcastro> http://ubuntuone.com/0FKiUDgpT7cxBcvVpO5sN4
[01:29] <jono> jcastro, who did that?
[01:33] <jcastro> some guy, it's posted here: http://www.iloveubuntu.net/how-create-currency-converter-app-ubuntu-phones-step-step-official-guide
[01:33] <SergioMeneses> jcastro, ++
[01:33] <SergioMeneses> btw good evening
[02:15] <mhall119> 45 minutes to go through the currency converter tutorial, and that include a break to put the kids to bed
[02:15] <mhall119> not bad at all
[03:00] <hrabbey> Hi; Not sure which channel / path best.
[03:00] <hrabbey> Trying to figure out where / who best to contact for setting up a quick face-to-face chat on 1/9 at CES 2013 in Las Vegas.
[03:01] <hrabbey> Company reason for chat: We are helping IVI (via GENIVI) with Navigation (Mapping, GPS, etc.) core tech.
[03:01] <hrabbey> I am interested in how IVI-Remix and Ubuntu phone could mesh with that work.
[03:02] <hrabbey> To put it a different way: Any plans yet for the project /workgroup to put maps & location support in Ubuntu phone?
[03:05] <hrabbey> I will drop by the booth in any case, but it is nice to avoid that the best person to talk to did not just step away for a break.
[03:27] <bkerensa> hrabbey: There is a formhttp://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/contact-us
[03:28] <mhall119> hi hrabbey
[03:28] <mhall119> popey: are you around to help hrabbey?
[03:28] <mhall119> or jono ?
[03:29] <mhall119> hrabbey: if you come back around here in, say, 12 hours, there will be more folks around :)
[03:31] <hrabbey> Will do.  So this is an OK channel for the question then?
[03:32] <hrabbey> I always hesitate on forms, cause I feel they are impersonal, and the form kind of hinted they didn't have time to talk to anyone other than phone manufacturers.
[03:32] <hrabbey> If it is a waste of time, I do not want to waste their time.
[03:34] <JoseeAntonioR> hrabbey: this is the right channel to ask, and it's not a waste of time :)
[03:34] <JoseeAntonioR> the people in charge are away, so if you come back you'll probably find them onlie
[03:35] <hrabbey> Thanks.  I'll check back in tomorrow then.
[03:35] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks to you for the interest! :)
[03:35] <hrabbey> I figured it was a bit late, but hoped I could at least get a hint that I was on the right track.
[03:36] <hrabbey> Thanks for all the work in making Ubuntu the great platform it is and will be.
[03:41] <jono> hrabbey, can you email me?
[03:41] <jono><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:41] <hrabbey> Sure.  Will do.
[03:42] <jono> thanks!
[03:43] <hrabbey> My pleasure.  Good night.
[04:05] <marcoceppi> Hey jono, if you're around would you care to weigh in on this: http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/5682/do-we-need-a-new-ubuntu-for-phones-tag The AU community is in a strong disagreement with the mobile tag being used for the tablet and phone questions on the site. Is there a preferred tag from a Canonical standpoint?
[04:05] <marcoceppi> I just want to make sure the right people track the right tags on your end
[04:06] <jono> marcoceppi, thanks for letting me know
[04:06] <jono> I will weigh in
[09:55] <dpm> gooooood morning everyone!
[10:14] <czajkowski> dpm: is there a place to send web app developers to in particular?
[10:16] <dpm> hi czajkowski, on IRC, if they've got questions specific to Ubuntu web apps, then #ubuntu-webapps. If they've got questions about app development in general (including web development), then #ubuntu-app-devel. For questions on Ask Ubuntu the tag is 'application-development'
[10:16] <dpm> and we probably have a tag for web apps there, let me see if I can find it...
[10:17] <czajkowski> dpm: cool and is there any website ?
[10:18] <dpm> czajkowski, http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/webapps/
[10:19] <czajkowski> dpm: perfect thanks
[10:19] <dpm> np. There's also http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/webapps, but it's more for user questions rather than for dev questions
[10:20] <czajkowski> nods
[10:20] <czajkowski> cheers
[10:54] <AlanBell> dpm: most of that is outdated and doesn't quite work
[10:56] <dpm> AlanBell, what do you refer to by "that"
[10:56] <AlanBell> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/javascript/ for example, I think if you click all the links the calls are wrong
[11:00] <dpm> AlanBell, I don't have a 12.04 system to test.  If they are wrong and you could file a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+filebug I can fix those docs myself on the site.
[11:01] <AlanBell> they are wrong in 12.10, they used to wrok
[11:02] <AlanBell> showNotification can't take two parameters, it needs a third for example
[11:04] <AlanBell> http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/webapps/ links to that documentation, however look what I found http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/
[11:05] <AlanBell> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/javascript/uwapi-ref.html
[11:05] <AlanBell> that is updated but seemingly not linked to from anywhere
[11:06] <AlanBell> there is a bigger problem that I can't now write a webapp and having specified in the init call that I want version 1.0 of the API I don't know whether that is a 12.04 or 12.10 client with different APIs so why on earth is there a version number in the API call?
[11:08] <AlanBell> bug 1035581
[11:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1035581 in WebApps: Applications "Unity Web API Documentation code snippets don't work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1035581
[11:14] <czajkowski> AlanBell: that bug is assigned to alex
[11:15] <czajkowski> good job it'll be fixed then
[11:17] <AlanBell> the documentation might be fixed (well it has been to an extent, just not put in the navigation)
[11:18] <AlanBell> the problem is that we are making it very hard to develop webapps that work on multiple versions of Ubuntu
[11:23] <AlanBell> actually it looks like the API was changed within 12.04 as well from the bug
[11:52] <dpm> AlanBell, ok, I've updated the page with the 12.10 link now: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/webapps
[11:53] <dpm> in doing that, I've broken the embedded video, though
[11:55] <AlanBell> excellent!
[11:57] <AlanBell> dpm: does the last one adding launcher items work for you?
[11:57] <AlanBell> Error while dispatching call to Launcher.addAction: TypeError: Object #<Object> has no method '_addAction'
[11:58] <dpm> webapps are unfortunately pretty broken on my system, so I'm probably not the best reference :)
[11:58] <AlanBell> ah OK
[11:58] <dpm> sorry
[11:59] <AlanBell> well at least having most of the calls work is a huge improvement
[12:00] <dpm> AlanBell, alex-abreu on #ubuntu-webapps might be the best person to ask atm. I've got access to the API docs on d.u.c, so if you find out more, just ping me and I can apply the changes straight away
[12:02] <AlanBell> great. And, yes that video has gone :( but with the hello world example working I think more people will stick with it
[12:08] <dpm> yeah, I don't know why wordpress is no longer embedding the video, I've been playing with it for 20 mins, and I even restored the original version, but no joy. I give up :/
[13:50] <jcastro> dpm: wordpress hates you today
[13:51] <jcastro> it gets like that sometimes, mean spirited.
[13:52] <dpm> jcastro, indeed, I think it needs some rest after the hammering in the last 2 days
[13:59] <doctormon> jcastro: The ghost of wordpress present is here to show you the error of your blog! ~wooo~
[14:38] <mhall119> dpm: wasn't it a plugin that embedded the videos?  Maybe IS just needs to re-enable it
[14:40] <dpm> mhall119, good point, but I think it's standard WP functionality, and not handled by a plugin. Oddly enough, the embedding was working before I did my (unrelated) edit to the page. I'm not really sure what's going on.
[14:41] <mhall119> ah, nvm then
[14:41] <jcastro> maybe it's the cache in front of it?
[14:54] <dpm> jcastro, yeah, I was thinking about it as well, but as I have no idea on how caches work, I'm a bit at a loss :(
[16:02] <jono> dpm, jcastro, mhall119, balloons invite sent
[16:03] <dpm> ok!
[16:03] <jcastro> I will be 60 seconds late
[16:04] <jcastro> wrapping up a call
[17:09] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[17:10] <SergioMeneses> balloons, let me know when you will be available
[17:12] <balloons> SergioMeneses, kk
[17:47] <doctormon> jono: Any movement on the design-team email I sent you before UDS?
[17:47] <jono> doctormon, I will check back into it
[17:47] <doctormon> OK, thanks jono
[18:44] <jcastro> jono: lol didn't we have a call today?
[18:52] <jono> jcastro, I figured we talked yesterday
[18:52] <jcastro> works for me
[18:52] <jcastro> I have one thing to bring up by I can PM
[19:16] <jcastro> hey AlanBell
[19:16] <jcastro> there's a bug for being able to granularly turn lenses/scopes' online thinger on and off
[19:16] <jcastro> do you have that handy?
[19:56] <AlanBell> hi jcastro
[19:56] <AlanBell> bug #1087873
[19:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1087873 in unity (Ubuntu) "lens privacy feature does not work on all lenses" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087873
[19:57] <AlanBell> not quite
[20:01] <AlanBell> I sent some emails to the ayatana list about it and did a blog article, not sure there is a bug about more granularity, just lots about "it doesn't work"
[20:22] <AlanBell> bkerensa: you know this is not about the default lenses right?
[20:22] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Ahh I thought it was
[20:23] <bkerensa> AlanBell: then its not really a bug is it since they are third party ppa mostly?
[20:23] <AlanBell> nah, they are all coded up to check the flag
[20:23] <AlanBell> it is a huge bug
[20:23] <jcastro> right, but isn't there a bug for "I should be able to turn some online searches on, and some off."?
[20:24] <AlanBell> I don't believe there is a bug for that because it is working as designed
[20:24] <AlanBell> to the extent that it works
[20:25] <AlanBell> bkerensa: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/12/privacy-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/
[20:27] <AlanBell> I was told to file bugs like Bug #1092279 for things that don't respect the single flag
[20:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1092279 in Google Documents Lens "does not respect the privacy flag" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1092279
[20:28] <AlanBell> but there are just too many and I can't be bothered to review them all because I don't agree with the fix it in every lens approach
[20:37] <jcastro> oh, I remember seeing a mockup of what that would like like and assumed there would be a bug
[20:39] <AlanBell> oh that, um one sec
[20:40] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/Privacy.png
[20:41] <AlanBell> that was on an email to the design list to spark discussion about the design
[20:41] <AlanBell> I can file a bug if you like
[20:42] <AlanBell> https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg10133.html had no replies
[20:43] <AlanBell> https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg10092.html had no replies
[20:55] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/109175303602657131317/posts/F8a3uwB9iu2 was the discussion in question, not on a mailing list
[20:57] <AlanBell> G+ has crap searching in communities or streams, that took 10 minutes of scrolling to find
[21:10] <snap-l> jono: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaAkWy55V3A
[21:10] <snap-l> per jcastro's request. ;)
[21:12] <jcastro> hah petrucci's is so him
[21:12] <jcastro> so stereotype
[21:13] <jcastro> he does all the megadeth ones + kirk spot on
[21:13] <snap-l> Save for overusing the wah pedal. ;)
[21:13] <jcastro> yeah
[21:17] <jono> snap-l, nice!
[21:17] <jcastro> this guy is kind of creepy at getting the personalities right
[21:17] <jcastro> I like how he kind of overplays it to make a point
[21:17] <jcastro> Like the Van Halen one, lol
[21:20] <snap-l> Van Halen really is about overplaying, though
[21:20] <snap-l> It's somewhere between the balance of the right amount of notes for the measure, and too many notes. ;)
[21:21] <jcastro> yeah
[21:21] <jcastro> the mustaine one is funny too
[21:21] <jcastro> "let's slowly just creep up the neck."
[21:21] <jcastro> on every song.
[21:40] <mhall119> rrnwexec: ping
[21:41] <rrnwexec> mhall119: ack
[21:41] <mhall119> rrnwexec: hey, you did an interview with me at UDS, has that audio posted somewhere?
[21:42] <rrnwexec> mhall119: that's a superb question ;) it's in editing, should be available in a week or so
[21:42] <mhall119> ah, cool, please let me know when so I can figure out what I said ;)
[21:42] <rrnwexec> mhall119: if you want a copy of the unedited i can get it to you though :)
[21:42] <mhall119> it's cheating to do interviews half-way through a party with free beer
[21:42] <mhall119> rrnwexec: I cna wiat
[21:43] <rrnwexec> mhall119: will let you in on the pre-release then. your interview was quite awesome.
[21:43] <mhall119> ah, good to hear, thanks
[21:45] <rrnwexec> mhall119: and i don't remember any free beer. hmm ;P
[21:46] <cjohnston> I want free beer
[21:51] <mhall119> rrnwexec: at the closing party there was, for a time
[21:54] <jcastro> cjohnston: heya
[21:54] <jcastro> I see django 1.5 is in RC
[21:55] <cjohnston> uh oh
[21:58] <jcastro> <--- EOD.
[21:58] <jcastro> have a good weekend everyone
[21:58] <cjohnston> that's all you had to tell me?
[21:58] <cjohnston> :-P
[21:58] <jcastro> snap-l: you get our housewarming invite?
[21:58] <jcastro> cjohnston: yeah, think of it as motivation to work on the django charm
[21:58] <jcastro> hah
[21:58] <cjohnston> i thought there was one
[22:03] <mhall119> jcastro: is there a charm for dovecot?
[22:03] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: I think yes
[22:10] <snap-l> jcastro: Yeah, I did
[22:26] <jono> mhall119, around?
[22:41] <jono> cjohnston, ping?
[22:41] <jono> Quick Django question: I have three tables, A, B, and C, each is linked via a Foreign Key C(B), B(A) and I know the pk of A - how do I return all records from C when I just know the pk of A with this relationship?
[22:50] <james_w> jono, C.objects.filter(b__a=pk) might work
[22:50] <james_w> where "b" and "a" are the attribute names of B and A on C and B respectively
[22:53] <james_w> yeah, seems to work fine
[22:54] <jono> james_w, so does b__a specify two keys I can search?
[22:54] <james_w> jono, if C.b is the attribute that refers to B
[22:54] <james_w> then C.objects.filter(b=<id>)
[22:55] <jono> james_w, gotcha
[22:55] <james_w> will find you all Cs that reference the B with <id>
[22:55] <jono> thanks james_w, will give that a try
[22:55] <james_w> double underscore moves another link down the chain
[22:55] <james_w> so b__a=<pk> finds all C where C.b.a.pk == pk
[22:59] <jono> james_w, I get: Cannot resolve keyword 'b' into field
[22:59] <james_w> jono, you need to use the attribute name for B that is used on C
[22:59] <james_w> jono, if you share your model definitions then I can be more precise
[23:00] <jono> james_w, sure, I will pastebin it
[23:01] <jono> james_w, ahhh I got it working
[23:01] <jono> like you say, I specified the attributes
[23:01] <jono> thanks james_w!
[23:02] <james_w> np


[08:21] <kkathman> hmmm
[08:21] <kkathman> ohh wait
[08:21] <kkathman> dang it...my bad
[08:21] <jahshua--> hehe
[08:21] <kkathman> instead of rename use mv
[08:21] <kkathman> duh
[08:21] <jahshua--> k
[08:21] <kkathman> rename is for multiple files
[08:22] <jahshua--> cannot move permission denied
[08:22] <jahshua--> do i need to sudo
[08:22] <kkathman> yah
[08:22] <kkathman> then do the sudo cp........  as before
[08:22] <jahshua--> k
[08:23] <jahshua--> ok
[08:23] <jahshua--> done
[08:23] <jahshua--> hmm
[08:23] <jahshua--> konq still looks the same :p
[08:23] <jahshua--> hehe
[08:23] <jahshua--> hmmmmmm
[08:24] <jahshua--> sudo cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[08:24] <jahshua--> yeh?
[08:26] <rubem> how can a make a read-only file writable?
[08:30] <Ouaaaahhh> Hello
[08:32] <kkathman> rubem: check its permissions first
[08:32] <Ouaaaahhh> With Konqueror How can I go to the / root directory ?
[08:32] <kkathman> rubem there may be a reason its read only :)
[08:32] <Ouaaaahhh> I want to access /tmp
[08:32] <Ouaaaahhh> with konqueror
[08:33] <kkathman> Ouaaaahhh: just type /
[08:33] <seth_k|lappy> Ouaaaahhh, just type /tmp in
[08:33] <kkathman> in the addie line
[08:33] <Ouaaaahhh> Ah !! Yes Thanks you
[08:33] <jahshua--> kkathamn is that the correct thing to copy ?
[08:33] <jahshua--> sudo cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[08:33] <kkathman> yes
[08:33] <jahshua--> hmm
[08:34] <jahshua--> nothing changed :/
[08:34] <kkathman> jah check your menu
[08:35] <jahshua--> hmm ok well when i click konq its the same
[08:35] <jahshua--> but the system has changed
[08:35] <jahshua--> like the system icon
[08:35] <kkathman> the konq itself wont change really
[08:35] <jahshua--> ok
[08:35] <kkathman> if you want to make changes
[08:36] <kkathman> you configure your output, then do a "save as" under tools
[08:40] <jahshua--> ok
[08:40] <jahshua--> do you use gnome ?
[08:44] <hussam> hey folks, I'm using kde 3.4.3 . Anybody using kde 3.5.0 can help check if something is a bug?
[08:44] <hussam> I mean if it fixed in kde 3.5.0
[08:45] <hussam> The bug is in konqueror.  1. open konqueror to any page. 2. place the mouse over a link , the mouse pointer will show the little hand on the link
[08:49] <papa> hi
[08:49] <chema> How to play dvd in kubuntu?
[08:50] <kkathman> chema: kaffeine
[08:50] <hussam> seth_k|lappy: now using the scroll mouse wheel, scroll down without moving the mouse ( just roll the wheel )
[08:50] <chema> Not play, I need any codec?
[08:50] <papa> i don't know
[08:50] <seth_k|lappy> hussam, the cursor changes back to the pointer (doesn't remain as a hand)
[08:51] <hussam> seth_k|lappy: the mouse button will still show the little hand even if there is no link under the pointer,
[08:51] <seth_k|lappy> fixed then :)
[08:51] <hussam> seth_k|lappy: good because in kde 3.4.3, it stay a hand untill I move the pointer.
[08:52] <hussam> seth_k|lappy: ok thanks for the help
[08:52] <seth_k|lappy> np hussam
[08:54] <[Relic] > what file am I looking for to change the huge font in java to something that is compatible with the current theme/appearance I am using?
[08:55] <jahshua--> kkathman: do you use gnome ?
[08:55] <seth_k|lappy> in "java"? In a program that runs using Java, [Relic]  ?
[08:55] <kkathman> jahshua--: no sir ... KDE
[08:56] <[Relic] > either mozilla, the default root theme, or the java config are my best guess but I am not sure which is making the huge text
[08:56] <[Relic] > not sure which files to look to edit either
[08:57] <gnomefreak> is there any known issues with kubuntu-desktop 3.5 and apps like kdevelop3?
[08:57] <[Relic] > I know this current java application has been using smaller text before so I am sure I can change it because it had the normally smaller text in the last install of kubuntu, I am just not sure ion this one
[08:59] <jahshua--> kkathman isnt KDE .. konqueror ?
[08:59] <jahshua--> or part of it
[08:59] <jahshua--> heh
[08:59] <kkathman> jahshua--: no
[09:00] <kkathman> KDE is a desktop manager like fluxbox, xfce, gnome, etc
[09:00] <kkathman> Konqueror is a KDE application
[09:00] <jahshua--> ok right
[09:00] <gnomefreak> konqueror is a web browser for kde desktop
[09:01] <Determinist> just installed kwin-baghira, opened the windec prefs and most of them are off screen, anything i can do about it?
[09:12] <jahshua--> is xfce easy to use ?
[09:13] <nalioth> jahshua--: sure it is.
[09:13] <nalioth> jahshua--: install xubuntu-desktop and see for yourself
[09:16] <jahshua--> ok
[09:16] <jahshua--> xubuntu yeh?
[09:20] <kkathman> jahshua--: xubuntu is very good for smaller systems...not nearly the overhead of KDE, but still reasonably configurable
[09:21] <nalioth> jahshua--: and if you have  high-horsepower box, it'll speed it up so you'll need a seat belt
[09:24] <[Relic] > what is the easiest way to make root access have the same theme/appearance that my current settings have?
[09:24] <jahshua--> ok so should i just search xubuntu on adept ?
[09:24] <jahshua--> is that the best way
[09:25] <nalioth> [Relic] : you shouldn't be using 'root' things enough to be bothered
[09:25] <nalioth> jahshua--: xubuntu-desktop
[09:25] <kkathman> jahshua--: no, just sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[09:26] <[Relic] > but I am thinking the defaults for java were set up in root so if I can match what I am using to root I could actually have the proper font sizes and then I could actually used adpet since I wouldn't have that hideous blaring white background
[09:27] <kkathman> jahshua--: then simply log out, and then at the splash screen click the sessions at the bottom left, and select xubuntu
[09:27] <kkathman> jahshua--: most apps will be gnome based, but since you have KDE you can still run KDE apps :)
[09:33] <jahshua--> oh thats great thanks alot kkathman :D
[09:34] <jahshua--> i have two more questions, easy ones :)
[09:34] <jahshua--> how many desktops are available for kubuntu
[09:35] <jahshua--> and i have already installed Gnome, but now i have all the Gnome appas in my KDE also, how can i seperate them so that i just have KDE apps in KDE and Gnome apps in Gnome
[09:39] <epp> amarok wont play any sound... but i get system sounds...
[09:42] <hunika> hello
[09:42] <kkathman> epp you might need to install a different engine
[09:43] <hunika> I would like to ask a simple question
[09:43] <kkathman> like the xine one
[09:43] <epp> yeah... i did...
[09:43] <kkathman> go ahead hunika
[09:43] <xag> Hi
[09:43] <hunika> Can I have all the avaible packages for  ubuntu on cd?
[09:43] <epp> I installed the xine one and it still doesnt work.
[09:43] <hunika> kkathman: ?
[09:43] <kkathman> hunika well I suppose you could if they fit...theres like 17000
[09:43] <Xag_> I have a problem setting up kmail and courier-imap, I can not create new subfolder, does anyone can help?
[09:44] <kkathman> hunika do you want to install from there?
[09:44] <hunika> kkathman: I mean the basic ones because Fedora / Suse ships with 5 cd's
[09:44] <hunika> kkathman: in order to not to use net
[09:44] <kkathman> hunika I suppose you could
[09:44] <epp> kkathman, my video is wokring off the xine engine...
[09:44] <jahshua--> i have installed Gnome, now i have all the Gnome apps in my KDE also, how can i seperate them so that i just have KDE apps in KDE and Gnome apps in Gnome
[09:44] <hunika> kkathman: to have xine, gimp, and so on
[09:44] <hunika> kkathman: w32codecs
[09:45] <kkathman> hunika you'd neet to change your /etc/apt/sources.list to install from CD tho
[09:45] <hunika> kkathman: but i can not download cd images
[09:45] <mase> can someone help me? im trying to auto mount my xp drive through fstab, but with read only permission to any user so i can play mp3s on that drive..
[09:45] <kkathman> hunika ohhh I see
[09:45] <RichardC> hey guys
[09:45] <kkathman> you mean can you actually GET a CD set of all the packages from Ubuntu?
[09:46] <mwe> is it somehow possible to change titlebar icon of an application?
[09:46] <hunika> kkathman: yes
[09:46] <hunika> kkathman: that is what i am talking about
[09:46] <RichardC> is there a way for me to lessen the amount of files that synaptic downloads at one time?
[09:46] <kkathman> hunika - hmmm I dont think thats available, no
[09:46] <epp> mase, i think there is an app out that auto does that for you...
[09:46] <kkathman> not that I know of at least
[09:46] <mase> epp: which
[09:46] <RichardC> i think that on my dial-up, i should lessen the number for more reliablility
[09:46] <hunika> kkathman: that is the main problem with ubuntu
[09:46] <RichardC> reliability
[09:46] <epp> mase, 1 sec i will check
[09:46] <hunika> kkathman: you need internet connection
[09:47] <kkathman> hunika: I suggest you file a bug report   at   bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:47] <hunika> kkathman: to allow universe-multiuniverse to play mp3
[09:47] <kkathman> hunika: I dont disagree
[09:48] <hunika> kkathman: do you think that at this point of view suse, fedora are better
[09:48] <kkathman> no
[09:48] <kkathman> I dont like fedora at all
[09:48] <kkathman> SuSE is quite robust, I'll admit
[09:48] <kkathman> if I were to run anything other than ubuntu, I'd run SUSE
[09:49] <kkathman> hunika: remember it costs alot of money to make and distribute CDs
[09:49] <hunika> kkathman: then why you use ubuntu if you think that suse is better
[09:49] <jahshua--> i have installed Gnome, now i have all the Gnome apps in my KDE also, how can i seperate them so that i just have KDE apps in KDE and Gnome apps in Gnome?
[09:49] <kkathman> distributing one is one thing..but 5 or 6 is alot...especially since ubuntu doesnt sell commercial packages yet
[09:50] <hunika> kkathman: are you sure that the bugzilla address is corect
[09:50] <kkathman> both Fedora and SUSE do sell commericially
[09:50] <mase> epp: find anything ?
[09:50] <epp> mase, hold for 1 more minute.
[09:50] <kkathman> hunika: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:50] <hunika> kkathman: the problem with ubuntu is that it does not works out from the box
[09:50] <kkathman> hunika: it did for me
[09:51] <hunika> kkathman: you could play mp3, avi and so on?
[09:51] <kkathman> sure
[09:51] <kkathman> not mp3s because you have to get the codex
[09:51] <justanother> g' evening guys
[09:51] <kkathman> codecs
[09:52] <jahshua--> anyone can help me ?
[09:52] <kkathman> but thats because those arent "legal" if you will
[09:52] <jahshua--> i have installed Gnome, now i have all the Gnome apps in my KDE also, how can i seperate them so that i just have KDE apps in KDE and Gnome apps in Gnome?
[09:52] <hunika> kkathman:  that is the problem you see
[09:52] <kkathman> no thats not a problem...thats necessary
[09:52] <hunika> kkathman: windows in this point of view is better
[09:52] <jahshua--> lol
[09:52] <kkathman> jahshua--: you cannot separate them...you have both available which is a good thing
[09:53] <jahshua--> ok cool
[09:53] <epp> mase, i have used it before... but noone semms to know of it... so i will google it for you.
[09:53] <kkathman> hunika: well seeing that windows pays the licenses that may be true to an extent
[09:53] <kkathman> but then Windows isnt free
[09:53] <jahshua--> AND
[09:53] <jahshua--> its not linux!
[09:53] <jahshua--> :D
[09:53] <kkathman> right
[09:53] <kkathman> and not OSS
[09:53] <jahshua--> not alot of things in fact :p
[09:53] <hunika> kkathman: yes it is not free, but you can play almost every file formats with it
[09:54] <kkathman> hunika: you are either committed to open source or you arent
[09:54] <hunika> kkathman: I am a new user at linux so I think I am objective
[09:54] <hunika> kkathman: I like it
[09:54] <justanother> i have a problem with kde and sudo... the administrator mode isn't working
[09:54] <kkathman> hunika: no argument there
[09:54] <justanother> i searched and found this: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681
[09:54] <kkathman> you see those MP3 formats arent public domain
[09:54] <justanother> but it says it's already fixed (i'm using 5.10)
[09:54] <kkathman> and I dare say that you are probably playing illegal music anyway :)
[09:55] <hunika> kkathman: anyway i will write to bugzilla in hope that someone out there in the ubuntu world will do something
[09:55] <kkathman> but, then issue is that linux distros wont typically include these on any disks unless you pay for it
[09:55] <epp> !tell mase about ntfs
[09:55] <jahshua--> kkathman how many other desktops are available for kubuntu??
[09:55] <hussam> kkathman: that's why I only play internet radio
[09:55] <justanother> i tried several things like kdesu systemsettings, sudo systemsettings - nohting works :( - can anybody help me plz
[09:55] <jahshua--> too many to name ?
[09:55] <kkathman> fedora and suse do NOT have codecs or restricted formats either
[09:55] <hussam> kkathman: I don't do mp3's
[09:55] <kkathman> unless you buy their boxed sets
[09:56] <kkathman> they have to do it that way dont you see
[09:56] <hunika> kkathman: my problem with ubuntu is that at my pc it does not worked out from the box
[09:56] <hunika> kkathman: i needed to download xine engine
[09:56] <jahshua--> thats part of the fun
[09:57] <hunika> kkathman: and a few packages
[09:57] <jahshua--> imo
[09:57] <RichardC> kkathman: do you know how to change the number of files that synaptic will download at one time?
[09:57] <jahshua--> you get to choose what you use
[09:57] <hunika> kkathman: but who don't has a net connection
[09:57] <kkathman> hunika - I'd dare say that your definition of "out of the box working" is different than mine
[09:58] <kkathman> you didnt have to download the xine, for instance
[09:58] <hunika> probably
[09:58] <hunika> kkathman: at mine pc i had to because gstreamer engine did not work
[09:59] <kkathman> hunika - but it DOES work, if you spend the time working on it I think
[09:59] <kkathman> now there are things that are NOT on the install...which I personally like
[09:59] <kkathman> I HATE fedora that installs EVERYTHING...its so bloated
[09:59] <kkathman> better to ADD to your install, rather than take away
[10:00] <epp> mace, sorry, it has been deleted. but i have the code right here...
[10:00] <mase> yeah, i just noticed
[10:01] <epp> i will put it all together, and send it to you.
[10:01] <mase> ok thanks
[10:02] <epp> mase, sending file.
[10:03] <mase> k, waiting
[10:04] <epp> mase, its being send through DCC, did a window popup?
[10:06] <mase> nope
[10:06] <epp> mase, i will upload it to my webserver... will send link in a jiffy.
[10:06] <mase> thanks dude
[10:09] <LazyAce`> ok, lets say i have ubuntu as my main install, and i decided i wanted to check out kubuntu, and installed hte kubuntu set up, and it messed up my ubuntu install partially, how could i delete kubuntu and not affect my ubuntu?
[10:11] <hunika> kkathman-away: I have posted my views at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/6310.
[10:12] <epp> mase, in Konsole type "wget http://www.epfiles.com/linux/winmac_fstab" > "chmod 777 winmac_fstab" > "sudo ./winmac_fstab"
[10:14] <mase> alright..
[10:14] <mase> done that..
[10:14] <mase> do i have to mount it again?
[10:14] <epp> did it work?
[10:14] <mase> or what
[10:15] <epp> no its mounted...
[10:15] <epp> im media
[10:15] <mase> ah mount -a
[10:15] <epp> is it sucsesful?
[10:15] <mase> yeah, totally
[10:15] <mase> thanks a bunch
[10:15] <epp> yea
[10:15] <LazyAce`> PENIS
[10:16] <epp> i knew it was outhere...
[10:16] <LazyAce`> that wasn't supposed to cross networks lol
[10:16] <epp> hehe
[10:16] <mase> =]
[10:17] <epp> k so back to my problem everyone... amarok wont play sound, but system sounds play.
[10:19] <mase> amarok?
[10:19] <mase> use xmms..
[10:19] <brunocs> Hello all. I'm having some problems with mounting.. Can anyone help me?
[10:20] <apokryphos> !helpme
[10:20] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[10:20] <apokryphos> =)
[10:21] <jahshua> oooh i like XFCE
[10:21] <jahshua> :D
[10:21] <jahshua> thanks kkathman
[10:21] <kkathman-away> np
[10:22] <brunocs> OK. I have one CDRW/DVD-ROM drive and one DVD-RW drive. When I insert a disk in the DVD-RW drive, everything works fine (it automounts and opens the media:/ window). However, when I insert a DVD into the CDRW/DVD-ROM drive, it fails (strangely, it works if the disk is a CD, both data or music. The problem appears to be only w/ DVD disks)
[10:23] <brunocs> the specific error is: "An error occurred while loading media:/hdd: The file or folder media:/hdd does not exist."
[10:24] <brunocs> \/dev/hdd is my CDRW/DVD-ROM drive, which is the one w/ automount problems for DVD disks
[10:24] <brunocs> I appreciate any hints! :-) Thanks
[10:26] <epp> mase: but amarok has a nice itunes style library.
[10:27] <apokryphos> mase: xmms is the worst application out now that some people still actually freakin' use :)
[10:27] <Chousuke> xmms really suffers from its age.
[10:27] <mase> bah i still use xmms..
[10:27] <Chousuke> nothing wrong with the app itself.
[10:27] <mase> what's a good one then?
[10:27] <Chousuke> it's just old
[10:27] <epp> mase, amarok =).
[10:27] <DaSkreech> Ahhhhhh
[10:27] <apokryphos> considering the other applications that are out, it's pretty absurd to still use it
[10:27] <apokryphos> JuK and amaroK are my favourite
[10:27] <DaSkreech> Whats wrong with my machine
[10:28] <Chousuke> And nowadays I for one would appreciate proper support for unicode and stuff, at least.
[10:28] <DaSkreech> I left it on last night and everything is moving pixel by pixel now
[10:28] <DaSkreech> Thats not supposed to happen :-(
[10:29] <brunocs> does anyone have any hints on my problem, please?
[10:29] <epp> apokryphos, im getting no output, and i have tried all the engines.
[10:29] <apokryphos> epp: which ones have you tried?
[10:29] <apokryphos> Did you get the codecs, if it's mp3s you're trying to play?
[10:30] <epp> gstreamer, xine, aRts
[10:31] <apokryphos> epp: with the xine engine, does it look like it's playing?
[10:31] <epp> yeah... but very fast.
[10:31] <apokryphos> if it's not working, then (i) your sound system altogether is mucked up, (ii) the volume isn't on.
[10:31] <apokryphos> epp: fast?
[10:31] <epp> like it gets through a song in like 4 seconds but no sound
[10:32] <apokryphos> :/
[10:32] <apokryphos> epp: with the other engines?
[10:32] <epp> well... gstreamer just says that it cant be played... and i dont want to use aRts
[10:33] <apokryphos> epp: install gstreamer0.8-mad and akode-mpeg
[10:33] <mase> ugh amarok is gay
[10:33] <mase> doesnt play mp3s
[10:33] <apokryphos> no, amarok is not gay, and yes -- it does play mp3s if you get the codecs
[10:33] <mase> oh fosho
[10:33] <mase> then i will get them
[10:34] <apokryphos> I just mentioned them (see up)
[10:34] <epp> mase, "apt-get install mpg321"
[10:34] <epp> :)
[10:34] <apokryphos> solution!
[10:34] <epp> yeah!!!! it works!
[10:34] <epp> i uninstalled mpg321 and reinstalled!
[10:35] <mase> k
[10:35] <mase> still doesnt work
[10:35] <mase> wont add my files
[10:35] <epp> what do u mean...
[10:36] <mase> wont add the files..
[10:36] <apokryphos> mase: huh?
[10:36] <mase> on that build collection thing
[10:36] <mase> it says they're not "playable"
[10:36] <apokryphos> mase: install those codecs, as listed above, close amarok, restart it, then drag whatever mp3s you want into the playlist
[10:36] <apokryphos> mase: well, what's the exact error?
[10:36] <epp> yeah... after u select the folders u want to add... push tools>rescan collection
[10:37] <brunocs> Hello all. I saw on the wiki that media:/ doesn't use HAL. Anyone knows what this means, and if it can have anything to do with mounting problems?
[10:38] <mase> k
[10:38] <mase> still doesnt work
[10:38] <epp> really... thats odd.
[10:38] <apokryphos> mase: what is the error already
[10:38] <epp> are u clicking on collecting to left?
[10:38] <epp> collection*
[10:38] <apokryphos> brunocs: where did you see that?
[10:38] <mase> well the tracks are added on the left
[10:38] <mase> but it doesnt play :/
[10:39] <epp> yeah... exactly my prob.
[10:39] <apokryphos> mase: it doesn't play, and amarok gives you no error?
[10:39] <mase> exactly
[10:39] <epp> go to amarok settings.
[10:39] <mase> er
[10:39] <mase> not playable
[10:39] <mase> but this time it added em
[10:39] <apokryphos> huh?
[10:39] <epp> yeah... ok
[10:39] <_gigi_> salve
[10:39] <epp> go to settings>amarok config> engine
[10:39] <apokryphos> it's a pretty simple process, not quite sure how you guys are getting this muddled...
[10:40] <apokryphos> install the codecs > open amarok > drag in and play an mp3. How hard can that be?
[10:40] <epp> i think he needs the xine engine.
[10:40] <epp> apt-get install amarok-xine
[10:41] <mase> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:41] <mase>   amarok-xine: Depends: amarok (= 2:1.2.3-1ubuntu4) but 2:1.3.1-0ubuntu4 is to b    e installed
[10:41] <mad_man> isten there somthing about you have to install some special packages before you can play mp3 files?
[10:41] <apokryphos> !amarok 1.3.7
[10:41] <ubotu> amarok 1.3.7 is, like, totally, at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.7.php
[10:41] <apokryphos> mase: go there
[10:42] <apokryphos> mad_man: yes
[10:42] <gigi> nessun italiano in room??
[10:42] <epp> gigi, babelfish translate?
[10:42] <gigi> no
[10:42] <mase> k
[10:43] <mase> wtf is that, apokryphos ?
[10:43] <apokryphos> gigi: #ubuntu-it
[10:43] <apokryphos> mase: the newest amarok
[10:43] <mase> well wheres the downlaod thing for it
[10:43] <mase> :/
[10:43] <gigi> ok
[10:43] <gigi> tanks
[10:44] <mase> er
[10:44] <mase> whats the thing for it again
[10:44] <mase> apt/sources.list ?
[10:45] <mase> got it..
[10:45] <mase> installinggg
[10:46] <mase> so what irc client should i use?
[10:46] <mase> konversation, xchat ?
[10:47] <apokryphos> konversation is good
[10:47] <epp> mase are u running hoary or breezy?
[10:47] <mase> no idea what that means
[10:47] <epp> im using konversation.
[10:47] <epp> its your version of ubuntu
[10:47] <mase> dont know
[10:47] <epp> breezy is the brand new one.
[10:48] <mase> then its that one
[10:48] <epp> hoary is like a few moths old
[10:48] <robotgeek> mase: cat /etc/issue
[10:48] <mase> is it bad that i have hoary stuff on my sources list?
[10:48] <mase> hehe
[10:48] <apokryphos> mase: cat /etc/issue
[10:48] <apokryphos> ah
[10:48] <robotgeek> apokryphos: :)
[10:48] <mase> its the newest kubuntu
[10:48] <mase> soooooo
[10:48] <apokryphos> .....what's the output?
[10:49] <mase> breezy bagger..
[10:49] <epp> im using amarok 1.3.1
[10:50] <epp> it works fine...
[10:50] <Tachyon> Anyone have a good link to documentation on mounting drives?  The stuff in the Ubuntu Guide only covers a bit of it. :/
[10:50] <robotgeek> !ntfs
[10:50] <ubotu> rumour has it, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions, or writing to ntfs is risky and only experimental. Reading is OK
[10:50] <mase> ok
[10:50] <mase> now it plays
[10:50] <epp> Tachyon, ntfs windows?
[10:50] <mase> just updating it worked
[10:50] <epp> its nice =)
[10:50] <Tachyon> epp: No, my Windows parition is fine.  I want to fix some issues I've got with both the CD/DVD drive and with my USB key.
[10:51] <mase> well
[10:51] <mase> how do i keep the blue thing opened
[10:51] <mase> when you first play a song
[10:51] <epp> set it
[10:53] <jahshua> hello, im just wondering what other window managers there is aside from kde, gnome and XFCE.. anyone know any others that are fairly easy to use
[10:53] <epp> mase, amarok > xmms?
[10:53] <epp> or =?
[10:53] <epp> or<?
[10:53] <mase> well if it would stay the same size xmms stays..
[10:53] <epp> you can set it to look like xmms...
[10:53] <mase> yeah but its fucking huge
[10:54] <robotgeek> jahshua: fluxbox, openbox , several
[10:54] <robotgeek> jahshua: apt-cache search window | grep manager
[10:54] <mase> can amarok play shoutcast live radio
[10:55] <robotgeek> mase: yes
[10:55] <jahshua> ok
[10:55] <jahshua> thanks robot
[10:55] <mase> lol
[10:55] <mase> i got rid of borders on it
[10:55] <mase> how do i get it back?
[10:55] <robotgeek> jahshua: np, looks like you havent found tab complete yet
[10:55] <epp> yeah... its on the left bar under... playlists>Radio Streams
[10:55] <jahshua> hm?
[10:56] <robotgeek> jahshua: robot<press tab key> should autocomplete to robotgeek
[10:56] <jahshua> robotgeek
[10:56] <jahshua> nope
[10:56] <jahshua> hmm
[10:56] <robotgeek> jahshua: there ya go
[10:56] <jahshua> nah i typed that :p
[10:57] <jahshua> hehehe
[10:57] <mase> how do i get the borders back ? :/
[10:57] <robotgeek> jahshua: hmm, what client are you using?
[10:57] <mase> ah got it
[10:58] <epp> mase, hu?
[10:58] <lorenzo> hi
[10:58] <robotgeek> hey lorenzo
[10:58] <epp> hey lorenzo.
[10:58] <lorenzo> hey
[10:58] <epp> need help?
[10:59] <lorenzo> any italian here?
[10:59] <robotgeek> #kubuntu-it , maybe. also try #ubuntu-it
[10:59] <robotgeek> !it
[10:59] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:00] <jahshua> robot: irssi
[11:00] <lorenzo> prego :-)
[11:00] <lorenzo> grazie a voi
[11:00] <lorenzo> thanks
[11:00] <robotgeek> jahshua: it should work, it works for me
[11:00] <yacc> Just wondering, is there a way to cross-update a Sarge system to Ubuntu? *wonder*
[11:00] <robotgeek> yacc: people have done it, i believe
[11:01] <lorenzo> robotgeek, do you really think it's possible?
[11:01] <mase> so how do i make konversation transparent
[11:01] <lorenzo> i would like to do it
[11:02] <epp> meh... i dunno... i need all the cpu i can get so i lay off that.
[11:02] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFAQ?highlight=%28sarge%29
[11:03] <robotgeek> yacc: ^^
[11:04] <epp> anyone know of some good games for linux?
[11:04] <epp> freeware?
[11:04] <DaSkreech> http://www.happypenguin.org
[11:04] <robotgeek> epp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games
[11:05] <epp> any names of the best ones?
[11:05] <epp> personal favorites mabey?
[11:05] <DaSkreech> epp: What are you interested in?
[11:05] <DaSkreech> Wesnoth!! :)
[11:05] <robotgeek> epp: i don't play any, so sorry
[11:05] <epp> rpg, action, shooter,
[11:05] <epp> but my videocard cant do 3d so im kinda screwed for the best ones.
[11:06] <DaSkreech> I like Lost Labrynith
[11:06] <DaSkreech> Action .. I guess I play Metal Blob Solid more than the others
[11:06] <DaSkreech> And Chromium is one of the betetr shooters
[11:06] <DaSkreech> better
[11:07] <angasule> I'd love a clone of Fury of the Furries
[11:07] <epp> mmm very good... i will chack these out
[11:10] <Tachyon> When I try to play a DVD from my DVD drive in Totem, I get the following error: "Failed to open device /dev/hdc for reading: Permission denied"
[11:12] <epp> Tachyon tried running "sudo Totem"?
[11:14] <Tachyon> epp: Then I get this error in Konsole: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/484687
[11:14] <Tachyon> (After attempting to play the DVD; Totem opens fine)
[11:15] <mase> well hello there
[11:16] <DaSkreech> Can pacakges graduate from one repository to another?
[11:16] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: graduate?
[11:16] <brunocs> An error occurred while loading media:/hdd:
[11:16] <brunocs> The file or folder media:/hdd does not exist."
[11:16] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: Yeah
[11:17] <brunocs> Hello all. I'm using the latest version of Kubuntu and I'm facing a mounting problem. My CDRW-DVDROM drive succefully automounts and opens the media:/ window when I insert a CD disk, but fails when I try to put a DVD disk. The error is "An error occurred while loading media:/hdd: The file or folder media:/hdd does not exist.". Any ideas, please?
[11:17] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: what do you mean by graduate?
[11:17] <DaSkreech> Well go from Universe to main
[11:17] <DaSkreech> or from multiverse to universe
[11:18] <epp> Tachyon, sorry i have no idea... try asking in #ubuntu
[11:18] <Tachyon> epp: 'Kay, thanks anyway. :)
[11:19] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: prob not from multiverse to universe, but maybe from universe to main
[11:19] <DaSkreech> Multiverse is strictly non free?
[11:19] <epp> DaSkreech, do u have freecraft?
[11:20] <nalioth> DaSkreech: depends on if the license changes
[11:20] <DaSkreech> Right
[11:20] <DaSkreech> So Blender could have migrated from multiverse to universe for example
[11:21] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: blender is in multiverse?
[11:21] <DaSkreech> Would have been
[11:21] <DaSkreech> it was a commercial Linux application
[11:22] <epp> is there a java editor for linux?
[11:22] <MarcC-away> epp, jedit?
[11:22] <DaSkreech> emacs?
[11:23] <robotgeek> vim :)
[11:23] <MarcC-away> is there a way to get the Konqueror built-in Konsole back? (The one that attaches to the bottom of the window and follows you around)
[11:23] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: isn't blender in main
[11:24] <robotgeek> yes it is in main, was in universe before
[11:24] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: It would have been in multiverse about three years ago
[11:24] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: hmm, i only heard abt blender much later :)
[11:25] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: Essetially the answer I'm looking for is yes then :)
[11:25] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: yes
[11:25] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: Whats the main criteria for main?
[11:26] <ninnghizidha> Hello! My Volume-Up/Down keys can move the onscreen-volume-metre, but the volume doesnt change ...
[11:26] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[11:26] <ninnghizidha> .. and i cant get it to work the right way.
[11:26] <ninnghizidha> may someone help me to get this working?
[11:27] <ninnghizidha> i got two soundcards, and i guess kubuntu switches the volume of the other soundcard
[11:29] <jahshua> robotgeek: there is a windows manager called gentoo ?
[11:29] <robotgeek> jahshua: it's a file manager, like konqueror/nautilus
[11:29] <epp> try going to multimedia>volume control>file>device then pick the soundcard your device is hooked up to
[11:30] <epp> ninnghizidha, ^
[11:33] <jahshua> ok
[11:34] <ninnghizidha> I was there, but the device was already the right one ... and the volume-keys still behave not as they should
[11:42] <jahshua> robotgeek: fvwm isnt in that list, but its available ?
[11:42] <robotgeek> jahshua: shud be
[11:42] <epp> im back!
[11:43] <jahshua> the command would be .. sudo apt-get install fvwm  ?
[11:44] <jahshua> the command would be .. sudo apt-get install fvwm-desktop  ?
[11:44] <jahshua> heh
[11:48] <jahshua> is that correct
[11:51] <nalioth> !info fvwm
[11:51] <ubotu> fvwm: (F(?) Virtual Window Manager, version 2.5), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1:2.5.14-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 2914 kB, Installed size: 6444 kB
[11:51] <nalioth> jahshua: just fvwm   there is no -desktop
[11:54] <jahshua> ok cool
[11:54] <jahshua> thank you
[11:57] <Yon> help me plz!
[11:57] <Yon> im trying to set up my dialup network
[11:58] <Yon> its dials up and conects but then i get a pppd error
[11:58] <Yon> saying there is a problem with my password
[11:58] <Yon> i made use the password is right 1000 times
[11:59] <Yon> PLZ HELP ME


[15:09] <teward> MOTUs: a question.  Is there any precedent for 'diverging' from Debian temporarily to update a Universe package, until such time Debian catches up?
[15:29] <rbasak> teward: completely acceptable
[15:29] <rbasak> teward: an email to Debian BTS explaining and pointing to the work is nice - then they can pick it up as soon as their archive opens again.
[15:30] <rbasak> teward: however, you're on the hook for looking after the package until it is in sync again if you upload that.
[15:41] <teward> rbasak: considering I use the Universe package daily, I'd be happy to maintain this.  I just sent an ITS: bug into Debian as well indicating that I would like to salvage the package in Debian and either become maintainer or become co-maintainer if the MIA team determines the maintainer is still 'active' enough to maintain the package
[15:41] <teward> it needs some TLC and the packaging is out of date in Debian too (wrong Vcs-Git, wrong homepage, outdated standards, not lintian clean...)
[15:43] <teward> rbasak: the package in question is a GUI app, xca, which I use to manage internal CA certificate systems for clients, myself, and my employers lol
[15:43] <teward> and it NEEDS some care lol
[15:48] <teward> rbasak: once the ITS is up on Debian BTS I'll add in a note about the divergence downstream until the package is either (1) updated in Debian or, (2) I gain access/maintainer roles for it.  The tricky part here is that the maintainer seems MIA too, or at least way too inactive to reliably maintain this
[15:48] <teward> (my opinion)
[15:50] <teward> i'll prep a divergent package for Eoan then, so we can at least have it up to date in later releases down here.  (Though I did this in a PPA already xD)
[16:21] <teward> rbasak: Universe package in question has been uploaded to eoan-proposed - happy to maintain the xca package until Debian catches up or the Salvage process is successful.
[16:21] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:21] <teward> (in which case I'll have upload control for it in Debian too xD)
[20:07] <Unit193> Careful about that one, I believe he goes off of git tags so last time I got it sponsored in Ubuntu it had to go for a fakesync.  Last I knew the guy was taking care of that well enough, just sometimes a bit behind.
[20:11] <Unit193> (Scorpi on OFTC)
[20:12] <Unit193> ...And freenode, idle time of 40 minutes.
[20:12] <Unit193> teward: ↑
[21:06] <Unit193> teward: Err, those depends that you added should likely be recommends...


 Google Latitude is acting funny.  It's telling me that a friend is in Columbus, At the Treminal, but her partner, who is in the same truck is near Toledo
[02:09] <jgould> Any one know why I can boot 9.04 on this lappy, but not anything newer?
[02:28] <Cheri703> jgould: hardware?
[02:29] <Cheri703> also, latitude was always weird
[02:30] <Cheri703> jgould: I had an old server that would boot 10.04, but after install, wouldn't acknowledge its existence, but I installed 6.06, then upgraded each lts til 10.04 and it booted and ran 10.04 happily
[02:31] <Cheri703> something about the hardware wouldn't take the newer install methods properly
[02:41] <jgould> This has been the first time where I couldn't get the system to boot uing a disk.  I've booted but had the drivers for the hardware not be there...
[02:42] <jgould> I'm starting at 9.04 and working my way up until I get to something that will give me SMART status on the primary disk
[02:43] <Cheri703> couldn't you just put the disk in another machine?
[02:43] <Cheri703> as a slave or whatever/
[02:43] <Cheri703> ?
[02:44] <Cheri703> wouldn't that be faster/easier?
[02:44] <jgould> I don't have the equipment.  It's a PATA drive and I had an enclousre at one point... (This is a laptop)
[02:44] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[02:45] <jgould> Dad sent me a text message today: "Is the Dell in hospice?"
[02:45] <Cheri703> if you can wait til tomorrow, you could hit microcenter and get this: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0285941
[02:45] <Cheri703> I have one, they're wonderful
[02:45] <Cheri703> and cheap
[02:47] <jgould> Right now it would need to be free cheap
[02:48] <Cheri703> well, I guess if installing and installing and installing is preferable to $13, then go for it :) I've had projects like that, where I have the time, but not the money
[02:49] <jgould> I'm about to install this laptop out the window...
[02:49] <Cheri703> hehe
[02:56] <jgould> Only peice of hardware this thing doesn't see is the wireless card.  But it's a Broadcom 4306... I think htat's in teh STA
[03:57] <canthus13> jgould: 4306?
[03:57] <canthus13> That's a crappy card. STA doesn't support it, and the bcm driver doesn't do it very well. :/
[03:57] <canthus13> My kid's laptop has that chipset.. It's great for cracking wep, but it can't maintain a connection for 5 minutes without freezing.
[03:58] <jgould> I thought you said it was a creepy card
[04:06]  * jgould blinks
[04:06] <jgould> SMART is not available.  What the hell does that mean?
[04:24] <jgould> Does that mean that the drive is damaged or does taht mean thatt the SMART sensor (or what ever) can't be read by the tools in 9.10?
[04:31]  * jgould waits on an upgrade to 10.04
[04:57] <canthus13> jgould: It probably means that smart isn't available for the drive... or BIOS doesn't have it enabled... or it's not enabled on the drive itself.
[05:40] <jgould> hmm...  Stupid comptuers
[05:58] <canthus13> Maybe computers just hate you like they do my wife...
[07:15] <jgould> That could be, canthus13, that could be
[07:15] <Unit193> Doesn't like my sister...
[12:50] <dmcglone> Morning all
[15:45] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[15:46] <canthus13> blargh.
[15:52] <Cheri703> blarghy blargh
[16:10] <canthus13> :)
[16:14]  * Cheri703 is relaxing today, have had a busy week
[16:15] <Cheri703> then later going to pick up the car from my friend and we are getting haircuts tonight
[16:22]  * canthus13 snickers.  http://www.lolbrary.com/new/3806/they-told-me-it-was-bath-time/
[16:22] <canthus13> Car?
[16:28] <Cheri703> some friends of ours let us use their car sometimes
[16:29] <Cheri703> we've actually not borrowed it for a while, but the place we need to go is outside of our usual areas
[16:43] <canthus13> Oh. Cool. :)
[17:34] <canthus13> Hah. I just got complimented on my american accent... THe woman couldn't believe I"m in mumbai. :)
[17:34] <Unit193> Haha! Nice....


[05:17] <valorie> gosh, most of the day with no internet
[05:17] <valorie> PLUS still no cell phone.....
[05:17] <valorie> new phone on the way and I signed up for Fi
[05:18] <valorie> if anyone wants a Fi invite you get $20 and so do I
 Already on fi here. :)
[06:59] <valorie> I figured that most of my friends already are
[07:00] <valorie> I heard today that nobody knows where my phone is therefore I decided to order a new one tonight


[01:42] <Sarvatt> hmm thats new
[01:42] <Sarvatt> (EE) intel(0): [drm] drmAddMap(batchbuffer_handle) failed!
[01:42] <Sarvatt> (WW) intel(0): [XvMC] fail to init batch buffer
[01:42] <Sarvatt> XvMC driver initialize failed.
[09:12] <RAOF> I've attached a libdrm debdiff on bug #395700.  It'd be nice if this got applied sometime.
[10:13] <tjaalton> RAOF: git is updated, you can push it there?
[10:13] <RAOF> I certainly can.
[10:13] <tjaalton> great
[10:13] <RAOF> So, we're going to continue in git then? :)
[10:14] <tjaalton> I guess so :)
[15:52] <lesshaste> something has gone horribly wrong and when X starts it comes up with the log in screen but neither the mouse nor keyboard do anything, this is in jaunty ubuntu with the radeon driver. the X log doesn't look that bad to me.. here are the EE lines I see.  "open /dev/fb0: no such file or directory", "config/hal: couldn't initialised context: (null) (null)"
[15:53] <lesshaste> the X log is at http://pastebin.com/f6b56a8c7
[15:53] <jcristau> why is hal not running?
[15:53] <lesshaste> I don't know... something broke after I installed qemu it seems..
[15:53] <lesshaste> can I reinstall it?
[15:56] <lesshaste> jcristau, I could just do sudo apt-get install hal..
[15:56] <lesshaste> what do you think?
[15:56] <jcristau> i don't know.  i asked you a question.
[15:57] <lesshaste> jcristau, the answer to your question is that I don't know.. the only thing I did was install qemu and kqemu
[15:57] <lesshaste> this seems to have killed hal I suppose
[15:57] <lesshaste> hal is installed
[15:57] <lesshaste> I would need to reinstall it I suppose
[15:59] <lesshaste> sudo apt-get install --reinstall hal
[15:59] <lesshaste> seems to have fixed it for the time being.. weird


[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:57] <pragomer> I got strange theming issues with kubuntu 19.04 and gimp: when I launch gimp normally from menu, it looks ok: https://i.imgur.com/cESKcNi.png
[06:58] <pragomer> but when opening a jpg from dolphin, gimp looks like that: https://i.imgur.com/IDkFFpc.png
[06:58] <pragomer> any idea what could be the issue?
[07:02] <pragomer> its this error here: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/6gyfss/launching_from_dolphinkonsole_and_from_krunner/
[07:04] <pragomer> solved
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:28] <zerg_> Hello, i was installing Mint after Kubuntu on different partition but i cant choose it during the boot
[15:29] <zerg_> i have installed
[15:29] <zerg_> what could be the problem?
[15:32] <tomreyn> zerg_: linux mint doesn't boot?
[15:32] <tomreyn> then i guess the right place to seek support would be a place where this is supported.
[15:34] <zerg_> tomreyn: yeah
[15:34] <zerg_> kubuntu boots
[15:35] <zerg_> as it was before min installation
[15:35] <zerg_> makes sense
[15:35] <aedigital> install grub-customizer and use this
[15:35] <aedigital> for reconfigure bootloader
[15:38] <zerg_> aedigital: thank you
[15:39] <aedigital> k
[15:50] <BluesKaj> aedigital, be careful with the customizer it's dangerous if you're not familiar with it
[15:50] <BluesKaj> zerg_, read above
[15:51] <aedigital> ok
[15:53] <zerg_> im not familiar
[15:53] <zerg_> damn
[15:53] <zerg_> mint installer should have put it in main MBR grub, isnt it?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> zerg_, did you try sudo update-grub
[15:53] <zerg_> mint installer should have put it in main MBR grub, isnt it?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> depends, do you have a regular BIOS or UEFI
[15:54] <zerg_> bios
[15:54] <BluesKaj> then update-grub
[15:55] <zerg_> thank you i wll be backin a few
[15:55] <zerg_> gonna try
[15:56] <BluesKaj> bbl
 Hey all
 @tomreyn, Are you sure there is a nvidia card because it was a pretty cheap laptop
[18:50] <tomreyn> Shreddies: hi. where is "there"?
[18:52] <tomreyn> i remember we worked on something the other day, but i certainly don't have the details anymore. if you could sum things up again, incl. what you tried to achieve / solve, links to logs you posted and where we left of, this should help.
[18:53] <tomreyn> see also http://irclogs.ubuntu.com to review chat logs.
[18:54] <tomreyn> to list your graphics chipsets:  lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
 @tomreyn, 1 sec
[19:07]  * tomreyn watches sand dropping down the hour glass
 IRC, [11.08.19 02:09] … <tomreyn> you have ACPI Errors and PCIe Bus Errors … IRC, [11.08.19 02:09] … <tomreyn> the latter directly affect the nvidia graphics card performance … IRC, [11.08.19 02:10] … <tomreyn> and will be the cause of your stalls
[19:08] <tomreyn> take your time collecting the info, i'm just bantering
 @IrcsomeBot, lol.
[19:10] <tomreyn> so ping me again when you posted the graphics chipset list, and a current system log    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
 @tomreyn, https://termbin.com/mvl5
[19:11] <tomreyn> so there's no nvidia, not sure why i said there was
[19:12] <tomreyn> but if there are acpi issues that's something to look at more closely.
 @tomreyn, https://termbin.com/snm1e
[19:13] <tomreyn> LENOVO 81F4/LNVNB161216, BIOS 7SCN34WW 06/10/2019
[19:14] <tomreyn> this is the latest bios already, right?
 @tomreyn, fresh from Konsole,well I copied into it,the stuff you wrote above,was I not supposed to?
[19:15] <tomreyn> yes, this is fine
[19:16] <tomreyn> i'm looking at your log now, could take 5 minutes. are there any notable issues, though?
 @tomreyn, I remember now,yes,because PC is from 2018,so should be the latest if not more updated BIOS than PC originally came with
[19:17] <tomreyn> ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve [\_SB.PCI0.LPCB.HEC.ECMD], AE_NOT_FOUND (20181213/psargs-330)
[19:19] <tomreyn> you have several of these (followed by some other lines), ending in "Failed to set initial power state" and "Cannot transition from (unknown) to D3hot"
 @tomreyn, how exotic,yeah I don't follow
 @tomreyn, just that it froze again & no keydboard shortcuts that you listed previously worked so had to press power off button
[19:21] <tomreyn> this suggests linux may be unable to have the BIOS switch power states.
[19:21] <tomreyn> i see
 @tomreyn, still confused
[19:22] <tomreyn> i have to leave for a few minutes, please read this in the meantime
[19:22] <tomreyn> !kernelparm
[19:22] <tomreyn> you will need it soon
[19:23] <tomreyn> also this, which is why you'll need it:
[19:23] <tomreyn> https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[19:23] <tomreyn> back in ~ 5-10 mins
 @tomreyn, alright I'll read
 @tomreyn, If I understood correctly,this kinda sums it up  " This lack of configuration means that when Linux is the running OS it does not have all the functionality of the system hardware available to it. As a result critical functionality such as Suspend and Resume, Shutdown, and some devices, may not work or will behave eratically."   I still want dual boot with Windows to not be affected though  the boot-loader is GRUB2 right?
[19:39] <tomreyn> Shreddies: sorry this was longer than planned - i'm back. you will continue to be able to dual-boot, this article does not suggest changes which would impact this.
 @tomreyn, still reading so it's fine
[19:43] <tomreyn> Shreddies: ok, when you finished reading (please so finish first), please post and ping me (type "tomreyn"):  sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows ' | sort | uniq -c | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:43] <tomreyn> i'll continue reading your syslog
 @tomreyn, ok,thanks.So we will be doing this : first add the parameter temporarily for testing with text from here https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html  to be put in Konsole ,is that correct
[19:54] <tomreyn> Shreddies: i suggest you make those changes permanently so you don't need to fiddle with grub. you will need to reboot anyways. to make permanent changes, edit the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=... value in /etc/default/grub (gedit admin:///etc/default/grub), save your changes and exit the editor, then run sudo update-grub
[19:55] <tomreyn> (...then reboot and then post another log: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999 )
 @tomreyn, but the end of article says : Note: The parameter(s) you've added to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line are persistent, and will be in effect for every subsequent boot session (unless you remove them by repeating the procedure above).
 @tomreyn, can we just do it 1 step at a time plz,getting confused already
[19:56] <tomreyn> Shreddies: i'm trying to guide you
[19:57] <tomreyn> Shreddies: so feel free to ignore what you read and do what i say, or re-read them and decide on your own approach and ask questions while you do.
 @tomreyn, my bad,hang on a second
[19:58] <tomreyn> i'm totally fine with either approach, no worries.
 @tomreyn, so are we doing both things in both articles?
[20:01] <tomreyn> Shreddies: the kernel parameters article is to explain two two ways how you can modify the parameters passed to the kernel to boot - making either temporary (just for the current boot) or permanent (for all future boots, unless changed later) changes.
[20:02] <tomreyn> the longer article by TJ explains how you can (try to) work around ACPI issues on broken 'BIOSes' which assume the world consits of nothing but windows, and nothing else needs to be supported.
[20:03] <tomreyn> the strategy described there involves changing the parameters passed to the kernel at boot. so having read and understood the first article helps understanding how to apply the changes suggested in the second article.
[20:04] <tomreyn> this link you posted some inutes ago - https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html - lists all the parameters you can pass to the kernel during boot. this is a good reference, but not really needed now.
 @tomreyn, but are you sure it's an issue because If you have a dual boot, it boots one or the other, not both in parallel or did I missunderstand?
[20:07] <tomreyn> Shreddies: that's correct, you either boot into linux or windows. the issue is that when Linux tells your "BIOS" that it is Linux, the "BIOS" will only provide Linux with limited (and apparently partially broken) controls or information on how it operates and what commands can be requested,e.g. for entering suspend. because of this, TJ's article explains how to make the "BIOS" think that what is booting up there is actually Windows, and thus
[20:07] <tomreyn> trick the "BIOS" into telling Linux about all the things it can do.
[20:09] <tomreyn> this may help you work around the "ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve [\_SB.PCI0.LPCB.HEC.ECMD], AE_NOT_FOUND (20181213/psargs-330)", and, if you're lucky, also the "kernel: pcieport 0000:00:1c.0: AER: Multiple Corrected error received: 0000:00:1c.0" issue found later on your log.
 @tomreyn, toilet break brb,cat super hungry sucking up to me
[20:09] <tomreyn> another approach you could take is to disable secureboot and see whether this makes these issues go away.
 @tomreyn, is that safe? Also are you sure this is a hardware issue since PC is new (made in 2018) bought a month ago
[20:11] <tomreyn> your Tor installation is also broken, since it links against a version of libssl which is not available on your system (this may be an ubuntu bug)
[20:12] <tomreyn> Shreddies: i don't think any of this is a hardware issue. i think it is a firmware (UEFI "BIOS") issue. i think that working around it as discussed on TJ's article is a safe thing to do (but obviously i cannot offer any warranties for any changes you make as a result of what i recommend in this or any other support case)
[20:13] <tomreyn> i really don't see any risk there, though
 @tomreyn, ok,thanks.Gonna save stuff so can reboot.Maybe take 5
[20:14] <tomreyn> have you made any changes, though?
[20:15] <tomreyn> and are you using Tor packages from ubuntu or the tor project? i'm wondering which ones need to be rebuilt.
 @tomreyn, ehh how would I know?
 @tomreyn, meant like drafts & documents saved
[20:16] <tomreyn> did you follow installation instructions on the tor projects' website, or did you just install the package?
 @tomreyn, some Discover updates but that's like it
 @tomreyn, what Tor website?
[20:17] <tomreyn> hmm, not sure what you mean
[20:17] <tomreyn> https://www.torproject.org/
 @tomreyn, never been on that website before
[20:18] <tomreyn> okay, you must be using ubuntu's tor builds then.
 @tomreyn, donwloaded Kubuntu from their website,if that is what you mean
[20:19] <tomreyn> i'm saying i think you installed tor from kubuntus' software management application
[20:20] <tomreyn> (without configuring up additional software / apt repositories on your system beforehand)
[20:20] <tomreyn> ignore the tor stuff for now
[20:20] <tomreyn> focus on the acpi things
[20:23] <tomreyn> another ACPI bug, this one happened only after resume from suspend, and is (intel) graphics related:  kernel: ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve [^^^GFX0.AFN2], AE_NOT_FOUND (20181213/psargs-330)
[20:24] <tomreyn> so, yes, acpi_osi is definitely worth a try.
[20:26] <tomreyn> and you should not use suspend for now, other than for testing.
 @tomreyn, so how long until I can use suspend?
 @tomreyn, ready,what should I start with 1st?
 Shreddies: ok, when you finished reading (please so finish first), please post and ping me (type "tomreyn"):  sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows ' | sort | uniq -c | nc termbin.com 9999
 "tomreyn" just checking cos the @ doesn't work
[20:29] <tomreyn> no need for @
 @tomreyn
[20:29] <tomreyn> irc doesn't use it, just plain nicknames
 @tomreyn, so how do I ping you?
[20:31] <tomreyn> i just explained, or tried to
[20:32] <tomreyn> you just type (without the quotation marks) "tomreyn"
 tomreyn
[20:32] <tomreyn> yes, like this
 @tomreyn, oh I was expecting a different colour
 tomreyn   sudo: strings: command not found
[20:33] <tomreyn> things do not always translate well over the telegram <-> IRC bridge
[20:34] <tomreyn> install binutils
 @tomreyn> things do not always translate well over the telegram <-, oh ok,each messaging system seems to have their own way of doing things *sigh*
 @tomreyn, install: missing destination file operand after 'binutils' … Try 'install —help' for more information.
[20:35] <tomreyn> yes, plenty of not-invented-here. also too many messenging systems.
[20:36] <tomreyn> Shreddies: ok, ignore "install binutils", run this command instead: "sudo apt update && sudo apt install binutils"
 @tomreyn, The following additional packages will be installed: …   binutils-common binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu libbinutils … Suggested packages: …   binutils-doc … The following NEW packages will be installed: …   binutils binutils-common binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu libbinutils … 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
[20:37] <tomreyn> works for me
[20:38] <tomreyn> after this installed successfully, run the previous command again: sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows ' | sort | uniq -c | nc termbin.com 9999
 @tomreyn, Setting up binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu (2.30-21ubuntu1~18.04.2) ... … Setting up binutils (2.30-21ubuntu1~18.04.2) ... … Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.27-3ubuntu1) ...
[20:39] <tomreyn> no need to share the output for this unless there will be errors
 @tomreyn, aye aye captain! Also Discover software updates thingy says there are updates available (blue dot)   https://termbin.com/4lsb
[20:40] <tomreyn> right, to quote you: "7 not upgraded" -> you have 7 pending software updates.
 @tomreyn> right, to quote you: "7 not upgraded" -, so good idea to update them?
[20:41] <tomreyn> that's up to you.
[20:42] <tomreyn> it shouldn't matter for what we're doing
 @tomreyn, ok,what next?
[20:42] <tomreyn> but generally you should install all security updates, yes
 @tomreyn, I thought the red ones were security & blue ones liek additional features like braille
[20:43] <tomreyn> Shreddies: Run the commands in the first grey box at https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html and report their output
[20:44] <tomreyn> Shreddies: that's possible, i'm not familiar with how kubuntu displays those graphically.
[20:46] <tomreyn> actually you don't get additional features installed automatically, or selected for installation normally. there are just two update types really: security updates on the one hand and bug fixes (rarely feature improvements) on the other hand.
 @tomreyn, this is weird,opened the link again but page was white with no grey boxrefresh fixed it though =/
[20:46] <tomreyn> such can happen
[20:46] <tomreyn> dont worry, just keep going
 @tomreyn, just to be double sure  … VERSION="$(sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows ' | sort | tail -1)" … echo 'Linux kernel command-line parameters required: acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi='$VERSION'"'                    etc... that box
[20:47] <tomreyn> yes
[20:48] <tomreyn> don't copy and paste it all at once, but line by line
 @tomreyn, Sourcing file `/etc/default/grub' … Generating grub configuration file ...
 @tomreyn, Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.0.0-25-generic … Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.0.0-25-generic
 tomreyn  Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.0.0-23-generic … Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.0.0-23-generic
[20:51] <tomreyn> IrcsomeBot1: just copy and paste the full session (what you ran and what it returned) to paste.ubuntu.com when you're done, then post the link here
[20:51] <tomreyn> Shreddies: ^
[20:52] <tomreyn> we now spent 2 hours on this
 @tomreyn, sorry =( I'm really slow    https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KqH774BzvV/
[20:56] <tomreyn> Shreddies: that's ok, i know you're doing as fast as possible. output looks good. please post this now:  cat /etc/ddefault/grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:56] <tomreyn> Shreddies: that's ok, i know you're doing as fast as possible. output looks good. please post this now:  cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:56] <tomreyn> ^ typo fixed
 @tomreyn, hope it comes with free cat etc...
[20:57] <tomreyn> cats are included in the service
 @tomreyn, Best service ever,now you don't get that with Windows you just get angry bieds 😊    https://termbin.com/a9t0
[20:59] <tomreyn> :) so if you look at https://termbin.com/a9t0 this is a verbatim copy of the /etc/default/grub file
[21:00] <tomreyn> and when you ran all those commands from the grey box, what you really did was just to add the    acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\"    text to this file
[21:00] <tomreyn> (you also had grub, the boot loader, updated to use this information during next boot)
[21:01] <tomreyn> so you can now reboot and then post   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999   again so we can see whether this workaround worked, or whether you should try tweaking the Windows version in this bis of text more
[21:02] <tomreyn> Shreddies: ^
[21:02] <tomreyn> i mean @Shreddies
 @tomreyn, I read it but didn't understand it,just the command to keep a beep at start
 tomreyn rebooting
[21:03] <tomreyn> Shreddies: this file is an important factor in building the grub menu which displays when you boot, the one where you can choose to boot kubuntu or windows.
[21:05] <tomreyn> by adding     acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\"     there you changed how Kubuntu will boot, making it claim it is "Windows 2015" (which i think is the same as "Windows 10") when chattign to your firmware during boot.
 @tomreyn, Said pcie bus error when I shut down
[21:06] <tomreyn> so we're making Linux claim it is this Windows version to hopefully have your firmware treat us like an adult and not "something weird i don't know how to deal with"
[21:06] <tomreyn> ok, that was to be expected
 @tomreyn, Lol.ok
[21:07] <tomreyn> if we're lucky you're overcoming those now
[21:08] <tomreyn> just to put all this work into perspective: we really only need to do this because you mainboard firmware is buggy as crap.
 @tomreyn, lol the PC version of fake ID
[21:09] <tomreyn> chances are they'll release more firmware updates for it, and when they do, you should install them. and try whether you can undo the workaround without getting those errors on your logs again
 @tomreyn, https://termbin.com/2cro
[21:10] <tomreyn> undoing just means editing /etc/default/grub and making it    GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""    again as it used to be, followed by running    sudo update-grub
[21:11] <tomreyn> ^ take note on this so you'll remember ina few months
 @tomreyn, trying to understand it 1st 1 sec
[21:12] <tomreyn> line 3 of https://termbin.com/2cro shows you the parameters you booted with:    Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.0.0-25-generic root=UUID=fd3f1f40-21e6-4e99-881c-63785bd1924a ro acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" quiet splash vt.handoff=1
[21:12] <tomreyn> once the mainboard vendor provides updated firmwares ("BIOS") and you installed them, try booting without those extra acpi_osi options again
[21:13] <tomreyn> reading the log you just posted, i see that, unfortunately, the issue is still present:     ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve [\_SB.PCI0.LPCB.HEC.ECMD], AE_NOT_FOUND (20181213/psargs-330)
[21:14] <tomreyn> also this     pcieport 0000:00:1c.0: AER: Multiple Corrected error received: 0000:00:1c.0
 @tomreyn, Windows 10 Updates,right? or Lenovo stuff?
[21:15] <tomreyn> 'lenovo stuff'
[21:15] <tomreyn> bios updates for your specific computer model
 @tomreyn, so ,a repeat of the "fun" BIOS adventure of the other day?
[21:16] <tomreyn> yes, but only when they released new versions
[21:16] <tomreyn> i assume you'll be on the latest version so far
 @tomreyn, how will I know when they do?
[21:17] <tomreyn> you'll regularly visit the download page and see which version is offered, i guess
[21:17] <tomreyn> do you have friends who are more into computer hardware and could help walk you through this?
 @tomreyn, yes but currently have a massive workload.My brother has Ubuntu but he has never done this before & doesn't know anything about it.WHat will happen if i install firmware BIOS updates and keep the changes we made in sneaking Kubuntu under the name of Windows 5?
[21:20] <tomreyn> you mean "Windows 2015" presumably?
[21:21] <tomreyn> it may prevent the issues you have now from getting solved. or help working around them. or neither.
[21:21] <tomreyn> it's not really possible to predict it.
 @tomreyn, where do I go to undo that in the future ?
 @tomreyn, yes 2015 too much computer lingo getting mixed up in my brain sorry
[21:24] <tomreyn> for now, you should keep rebooting, get into grub editing mode as explained at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters#Temporarily_Add_a_Kernel_Boot_Parameter_for_Testing   , look for the line starting "linux" and replace      Windows 2015     by one of the other versions listed at https://termbin.com/4lsb
 @tomreyn, what version do you recommend?
[21:26] <tomreyn> move up from the bottom to the top, line by line
[21:27] <tomreyn> after rebooting, run     journalctl -b | grep -E '(AE_NOT_FOUND|AER: Multiple Corrected error)'      and see how many lines it outputs. if less then it would output right now, you made progress.
 Sunny day, [13.08.19 23:23] … [In reply to IRC] … where do I go to undo that in the future ?
 undoing just means editing /etc/default/grub and making it    GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""    again as it used to be, followed by running    sudo update-grub
 ^ take note on this so you'll remember ina few months
 @tomreyn> <tomreyn, yeah but where will that line be? Do I need to insert something in terminal 1st or somewhere else?
 @tomreyn> <tomreyn, I will reboot but which version of windows should I choose ?  1 Windows 2006 …       1 Windows 2009 …       1 Windows 2012 …       1 Windows 2013 …       1 Windows 2015  etc...
 @tomreyn, Menu does not appear like in the article, I pressed Esc on startu
[21:40] <tomreyn> Shreddies: how do you dual boot if this menu doesn't show up?
 @tomreyn, Maybe pressed Esc too soon?
[21:42] <tomreyn> how do you switch between booting to kubuntu and windows?
 @tomreyn, Power off and wait then menu comes up like in photo in article  except Windows appears on that menu
[21:43] <tomreyn> IrcsomeBot1: so this menu which comes up is the grub menu. it comes up by default on your system (because it's a dual boot system) so you do not need to press escape
 @tomreyn, Magical unicorn powers.But seriously should I reboot somehow?
[21:43] <tomreyn> escape would normally bring it up
[21:44] <tomreyn> hmm, i'm pretty much out of patience here, it feels like i'm running in circles.
 @tomreyn, My bad for wanting to follow article directions exactly. Oops! How do I get out of this menu though?
[21:45] <tomreyn> select an entry to boot by pressing enter
[21:45] <tomreyn> or press ctrl-alt-delete to reboot
 @tomreyn, Yeah me too.best to do it another day. It's getting late anyway.
[21:48] <tomreyn> ok. take note of the chat, maybe review it again that other day, and you may find the info you're looking for, since i already explained all the options you have now, and how i recommend to proceed.
[21:48] <tomreyn> so my hope is that it'll get clearer by reviewing the chat log with a refreshed mind
 @tomreyn, Yeah. Hitting Ubuntu on the grub menu will just make Kubuntu load like normal though
[21:49] <tomreyn> the chat log should also be available on http://irclog.ubuntu.com in ~ half an hour
[21:50] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters#Temporarily_Add_a_Kernel_Boot_Parameter_for_Testing explains how to edit an entry
[21:51] <tomreyn> you just need to skip the escape / shift step since the grub menu always shows on your system
[21:51] <tomreyn> i last explained this 9 minutes ago
 @tomreyn, Found it had just somehow missed that I needed to press "e"
[21:58] <tomreyn> \o/
 @tomreyn, Can I do acpu_osi=Windows2013 and exit by ctrl alt delete & then call it a night.brain is really tired
 @tomreyn, Is there no video tutorial for doing this online? I have no idea what they would call such a tutorial though
[22:05] <tomreyn> the better tuotirals are usually text only
[22:06] <tomreyn> *tutorials
[22:06] <tomreyn> https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html is a text only, and good. but i admit it's a rather advanced topic.
 @tomreyn, Yeah but I  don't have the same linux   /vmlinuz-4.13.0-16-lowlatency root=/dev/mapper/VG_OS-ubuntu_16.04_rootfs ro acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" splash $vt_handoff  it's similar though
[22:24] <tomreyn> "e.g." stands for "exempli gratia", which is latin and "for example". it is an example.
[22:24] <tomreyn> *means
 @tomreyn, My bad,I missed that bit at end of sentence,I'm making too many stupid mistakes out of fatigue best to press escape and reboot .Thanks for your help today really appreciate you being patient with the slow ignoramus 🐌
[22:28] <tomreyn> You're welcome, Shreddies.
 @tomreyn, Sleep well!
[22:29] <tomreyn> you, too.
 @tomreyn, I shall be having dreans of lines of sudo stuff ha ha
[22:31] <tomreyn> sorry to hear this.
 @tomreyn, there are worse things to dream about,so it's fine


[12:26] <rick_h_> dammit https://twitter.com/mitechie/status/984044809408122880
[12:29] <Scary_Guy> Starbucks sucks anyway :P  what happened specifically though?
[12:29] <rick_h_> the image there, now to get wifi you have to give info and agree to marketing emails
[12:29] <Scary_Guy> oh, didn't see that
[12:29] <rick_h_> and I've fallen out of the habit of bringing my mifi as backup, oh well. Phone hotspot it is
[12:30] <rick_h_> yea, one button "I agree" to get whatever you want to send me...
[12:30] <rick_h_> booooo
[12:30] <Scary_Guy> or cantenna :p
[12:30] <Scary_Guy> I'm less worried about spam and more worried about monitoring of traffic, unless you have a VPN
[12:32] <Scary_Guy> anyway brb, I need to restart
[13:27] <jrwren> xfinitywifi?
[13:27] <jrwren> its everywhere in Ann Arbor, rather nice if you are a comcast customer.
[13:28]  * rick_h_ isn't a comcast customer
[13:28] <rick_h_> well, I'm a comcast business I guess
[13:28] <rick_h_> I'll just use my cell data, fast enough for this work and I've got no problems paying for my use.
[13:29] <rick_h_> I'm just not signing up to get spammed and such
[13:45] <jrwren> is comcast business not xfinity? you have a comcast account, right? you can probably use xfinity wifi
[13:51] <rick_h_> no, I've got a comcastbusiness account. It's a different set
[13:55] <jrwren> dang
[13:56] <jrwren> good to know. i've considered getting one for hosting servers at home. I guess I won't.
[13:58] <rick_h_> Yea, it was funny because one day the xfinity sales guy came by to tell me about how the neighborhood got a speed upgrade and I had left them long ago and they wanted me back
[13:58] <rick_h_> "umm, I am a comcast customer...I've been back with you for a couple of years"
[13:58] <rick_h_> but because I'm a business customer it's a different system
[13:59] <jrwren> ha!
[14:08] <Scary_Guy> I'd rather use dialup than them honestly.  horrible company
[14:08] <Scary_Guy> I guess it's good if you have no other options, although I guess not having internet is always an option too
[14:09] <rick_h_> Yea, the big thing is that doing video/photos/etc end of the day I need upload bandwidth
[14:09] <rick_h_> still can't get as much as I want and pay through the nose
[14:09] <rick_h_> first company to give me 50/50 either way wins my $$
[14:10] <Scary_Guy> anyway, nap time, bbl
[17:34] <cmaloney> This is kind of strange: https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/173294/software-engineering-manager-100k-yr-crossover
[17:39] <rick_h_> yea, saw that
[17:40] <rick_h_> Curious about an eng mgr position being a coding contest thing...has the smell of "free work" to it but maybe not.
[17:47] <cmaloney> The company that they're hiring for seems like a managerial trainwreck according to Glassdoor
[17:48] <rick_h_> hah, well that's why they're hiring managers :P
[17:50] <cmaloney> With a coding challenge. ;)
[18:02] <brousch> To be a manager, you have to be the best coder?
[18:03] <cmaloney> sounds like they're more interested in the game than the results
[18:04] <rick_h_> yep, then you hire a bunch of coders better than you as the manager and win!
[18:04] <cmaloney> Then your prefecture gets to eat
[18:04] <cmaloney> or something
[21:35] <Scary_Guy> They hire security staff using a pit and some lions