[01:21] <phixxor> hello, I have a problem with wireless that didn't exist in 8.04, but I'm not sure if I should file a bug report, and if so, what under. May I describe the symptoms here?
[01:22] <maco> go ahead
[01:24] <phixxor> All right. I use a linksys wusb54gv2, and in 8.04 I used ndiswrapper and network manager to connect, which worked fine. But when I go to 8.10 (first by update, second time with a fresh install and no custom setup of ndiswrapper), network manager connects to my network automatically, stays connected for a few minutes, and then disconnects unable to reconnect
[01:26] <maco> so support for the device was added, but it's really poor support?
[01:27] <phixxor> yes that describes it
[01:27] <phixxor> but even when I was using ndiswrapper, it had poor support
[01:30] <maco> well ndiswrapper is a hack :P
[01:30] <maco> ideally we have native support that works
[01:31] <phixxor> maco: all right
[01:32] <phixxor> so where should I report this in launchpad?
[01:34] <maco> linux
[01:37] <phixxor> all right, thanks
[01:37] <phixxor> will do
[01:42] <maco> phixxor: oh, please try with a 9.04 alpha 3 live cd as well
[01:43] <phixxor> maco: good idea, I will
[01:43] <phixxor> it might already be fixed :D
[01:44] <maco> phixxor: exactly
[01:46] <andresmujica> hi!!
[03:05] <b52wrangler> good evening, anyone here who can offer help with a problem encountered during an ibex install on a toshiba satellite
[03:16] <tcole1> I'm using Ibex on a satellite
[03:16] <tcole1> what's your problem?
[03:19] <b52wrangler> hi tcole
[03:20] <b52wrangler> just talked my brother into installing ibex on his windoze toshiba satellite and after installing fine, he can boot, surf web for about a minute, then laptop shuts down uncommanded...
[03:21] <tcole> huh
[03:21] <b52wrangler> tcole: i'm thinking a perceived overheat
[03:21] <tcole> yes, that is plausible
[03:22] <b52wrangler> yet he had not problems while running his other OS
[03:22] <b52wrangler> with overheating
[03:22] <Hobbsee> toshiba satelites have been known to report overheating temperatures, iirc.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> whether they are or not
[03:22] <b52wrangler> ic
[03:22]  * Hobbsee had gotten hers up to 90C before, apparently.
[03:22] <b52wrangler> smokin
[03:22] <Hobbsee> otoh, i had smelt parts burning at other times on it,so...
[03:23] <b52wrangler> i'm having him try hardy now
[03:23] <b52wrangler> problem is he's in NC and I'm in VA
[03:24] <b52wrangler> he was impressed with how everything just worked though for the short time he was able to use it
[04:00] <maco> i thought bug-control was supposed to have access to private bugs
[04:03] <Ryan52> it does, tho I think it doesn't have access to private security bugs, maybe.
[04:04] <maco> Ryan52: thats probably it then. i mistyped the bug number i was looking for anyway
[04:34] <cornucopic> I can't seem to find the URL for stock responses..
[04:34] <cornucopic> Anyone care to help?
[04:35] <cornucopic> Uups..got it..I had bookmared it
[04:35] <cornucopic> *bookmarked
[04:35] <greg-g> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase for all your bug triaging knowledge needs
[04:35] <greg-g> :)
[04:36] <cornucopic> greg-g, :-)
[04:37] <cornucopic> Once I start triaging- i.e. the first comment is mine, is that bug immediately mine?
[04:37] <cornucopic> Is that automagic? or I will have to something else..
[04:38] <greg-g> cornucopic: no. Although it would be great if you could continue to help traige the bug, it is not "yours" in the since that no one else can work on it
[04:38] <greg-g> cornucopic: just make sure you subscribe to it so you get updates (but don't "Assign" it to yourself. the Assigned To field is for who is working on writing the patch to fix it)
[04:38] <cornucopic> cornucopic, Hmm..
[04:39] <cornucopic> cornucopic, If I comment, i think I am automatically subscribed?
[04:39] <maco> cornucopic: only if you hit the chekbox
[04:39] <maco> why are you talking to yourself?
[04:39] <greg-g> what maco said.
[04:39] <greg-g> x2
[04:39] <cornucopic> maco, mistake
[04:40] <cornucopic> maco, "Email me..." ?
[04:40] <maco> yes that one
[04:40] <cornucopic> cool.
[04:51] <cprofitt> not sure if I got everything that was needed -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/322610
[05:08] <cornucopic> Is it okay to mark a bug as invalid if the steps given for reproduction doesn't lead to the behavior?
[05:09] <cornucopic> Eg. https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/322604
[05:11] <hggdh> cornucopic, not necessarily
[05:12] <cornucopic> hggdh, Eg. https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/322604
[05:12] <hggdh> yes, I am looking at it right now
[05:13] <hggdh> hum. old *ix implementations were limited to up to 8 characters in a password
[05:14] <cornucopic> mhm..
[05:14] <maco> hggdh: pam fixed that
[05:14] <hggdh> this is controlled by pam
[05:14] <hggdh> maco, yes
[05:14] <maco> oh wait hrm
[05:15] <maco> in 8.04 pam worked right and only entering the first 8 was not sufficient
[05:15] <hggdh> but the description on the bug sort of suggests the reporter is using the old system (i.e., someone changed the default pam-password)
[05:15] <hggdh> I think it was when crypt was used
[05:15] <maco> well in 9.04 that does not work
[05:15] <hggdh> I know AIX had it
[05:15] <maco> i just tried to use sudo and only enter teh first 8 char, and pam works just fine
[05:15] <cornucopic> I couldn't reproduce the behaviour on 8.10
[05:16] <cornucopic> either.
[05:16] <maco> maybe they removed pam in their system>
[05:16] <hggdh> yes, because you are probably using sha512
[05:16] <hggdh> or they removed pam -- but I would expect this to break a lot of other things
[05:17] <cornucopic> Will the authentication mechanism work without pam?
[05:17] <maco> i think itd just fall back to shadow...
[05:17] <maco> er, well that's just a guess
[05:17] <cornucopic> in that case, it will use the first 8 character?
[05:17] <hggdh> yes
[05:18] <hggdh> (at least, it did)
[05:18] <maco> ive never tried removing pam...
[05:18] <maco> got a vm?
[05:18] <hggdh> it would be interesting to find out what is on /etc/pam.d/
[05:18] <hggdh> heh
[05:18] <cornucopic> maci. i got
[05:18] <cornucopic> maco, a debian VM..
[05:19] <cornucopic> maco, planning to setup a Ubuntu one..
[05:19] <maco> i havent gotten around to configuring kvm on here
[05:19] <maco> mostly because i intend to reinstall....um.....soon
[05:19] <maco> i need to get back to 64bit since all my vms are 64bit and i cant run 64bit vms on a 32bit host
[05:20] <cornucopic> maco, not with 'kvm' i guess...
[05:20] <maco> kvm's just what i use for vms
[05:21] <maco> it doesnt allow 64-on-32
[05:21] <maco> if it did, id load my vm up, upgrade it to jaunty and try
[05:21] <maco> er...oh wait this bug is reported on 8.10, i wouldnt even have to update it
[05:21] <cornucopic> Yeah..its on 8.10..
[05:22] <hggdh> I will have to read back on pam. Long time I left it
[05:24] <hggdh> slangasek will know everything about it, anyways
[05:25] <hggdh> but, basically: if the pam configuration was, er, adjusted, they might get this behaviour
[05:25] <cornucopic> I will probably leave that comment on the bug..after a bit of exploring..
[05:26] <hggdh> good idea. Anyway, this is a good example for my "not necessarily"
[05:26] <maco> i commented asking if they'd removed any parts of pam
[05:27]  * hggdh *has* to get back to pam
[05:27] <hggdh> sigh
[05:27] <cornucopic> maco, cool.
[05:38] <cornucopic> hggdh, Any off hand link for PAM- except the Wikipedia entry?
[05:58] <sbeattie> I *think* the password length issue is this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/51551
[05:59] <maco> who named that library?
[05:59] <sbeattie> basically some of the tools fall back to using crypt because pam got updated to default to sha512
[05:59] <maco> liboobs, libsexy....wtf
[05:59] <cornucopic> maco, Sex, Drugs & Linux :-)
[06:00] <sbeattie> at least libiberty was marginally clever, liboobs not so much.
[06:03] <maco> is oobs supposed to stand for something?
[06:06] <cornucopic> maco, Object Oriented Bindings, he he: http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/mandriva/2007.1/x86_64/media/contrib/release/lib64oobs-1_3-devel-2.18.0-1mdv2007.1.x86_64.html
[06:06] <cornucopic> maco, just guessing. :-)
[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <maco> dholbach: hi!
[07:06] <dholbach> hi maco
[07:19] <savvas> maco in serbian means "kitty" (cat) :P
[07:20] <savvas> c as "ts" that is heh
[07:20] <maco> yeah, i know how to read serbo-croatian ;)
[07:21] <maco> i used to transliterate serbian-in-cyrillic to latin letters because my bosnian friend could only read latin letters
[07:21] <savvas> hehe
[07:23] <savvas> that's nothing, the harder part is to read their written cyrillic, all those curls and fancy writing makes my head spin - eventually, at classes, I end up writing my own stuff
[07:23] <maco> yeah, i got a dose of that in russian class, don't worry
[07:24] <maco> "many native russians dont even know how to print. they only write in cursive, so if you print you'll stick out as a foreigner" ...how the heck does one not know how to print? just write it like it looks in a book
[07:30] <savvas> hehehe
[07:34] <thekorn> good morning
[07:35] <maco> hi thekorn
[07:39] <thekorn> hi maco
[08:34] <mangilimic> Hi! Does anybody know how can I handle this bug #275929 ? I understand the problem that the user reported but I think that this sounds like a support request, not really a bug report! Is it correct to close this bug and convert it into a question? Thanks in advance!
[08:36] <davmor2> mangilimic: Does he not just need to switch off the snap to edges option
[08:39] <mangilimic> davmor2: the issue is very easy to solve. As you cab see BarryW wrote that unchecking constraint Y in the Move Window Plugin solves the problem.
[08:41] <mangilimic> Actually I don't know if switching off the snap to edget option, does solve that. But I've tried to switch off the "constraint Y" option and I can move a window wherever I want.
[08:42] <mangilimic> My question is: which is the best way to triage this kind of reports? (very sorry for awful english!)
[08:42] <davmor2> mangilimic: Yes I was thinking of the wrong one :) Could you not set it as a wishlist bug?
[08:43] <mangilimic> davmor2: so in these cases is it better to set the status of the bug to confirmed and importance to whishlist?
[08:44] <mangilimic> (I cannot set it as a whishlist bug because I'm not a member of the bug control group)
[09:01] <davmor2> mangilimic: Just a suggestion.  Being as it is a optional extra and this reporter seems to be the only person with a massive interest in it. Plus it keeps the bug open if more people wish to have it as a default.  You could suggest that the reporter use brainstorm to try and get the defaults for Ubuntu change as the other option.
[09:03] <mangilimic> I understand. Thanks davmor2!
[09:25] <steve555> Hi everyone.
[09:26] <BUGabundo> hi steve555
[09:27] <steve555> Hi BUGabundo. I know today is Hug-Day for compiz,does anybody know if the Hug-Day channel is open now and which it is?
[09:28] <BUGabundo> humm isn't this it ?
[09:30] <steve555> I wasn't sure,the reqason I asked was when I participated in the Hug-Day for Firefox,I was advised to join the Mozilla-Team channel on Freenode.
[09:32] <steve555> Does anybody know of nay good PPA's to get the latest Compiz?I have used it brfore,but I found it a bit slow.
[09:34] <steve555> By the way,I using Kubuntu Jaunty Jackalope Alpha3,with the latest Nouveau drivers and Galluim3d Direct Rendering.
[09:38] <petski> steve555, maybe you can find a good PPA at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=compiz
[09:38] <BUGabundo> steve555: if I'm not mistaken, I was the one who redirected you to mozilla team channel
[09:38] <BUGabundo> lol
[09:39] <steve555> I think you was BUGabundo,I just couldn't remember lol!And thank you for the link,I'll check it out.
[11:40] <pedro_> Remember that today is the Compiz Hug Day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090129 there's a bunch of bugs to be triaged, come on squash some!
[12:22] <legate> There is a malfunctioning redirect in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugTrackingSystem. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage links to this site (first paragraph, "every day through  our BugTrackingSystem.". Is this supposed to lead to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu?
[12:36] <pedro_> legate: yeah, will look into that now, thanks
[12:36] <legate> pedro_: np
[12:37] <BUGabundo> hi ogasawara
[12:53] <thekorn> happy hugday everybody
[12:53] <pedro_> happy hug day to you too thekorn ;-)
[12:55] <pedro_> mangilimic: ciao!, nice work on the hug day ;-)
[12:55]  * pedro_ hugs mangilimic
[13:04] <mangilimic> pedro_ : I've tried to do my best! ;) Anyway that's all for today! (At the moment I'm studying autotools)
[14:05] <pedro_> Don't forget that today we're celebrating another Hug Day -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090129
[14:06] <pedro_> charlie-tca: hello!, are you going to join us on the hug day again? ;-)
[14:06] <pedro_> charlie-tca: you're a rockstar come on
[14:06] <charlie-tca> Good morning, pedro_. Yes I expect to join in a little while.
[14:06] <pedro_> charlie-tca: awesome!
[14:06] <charlie-tca> Gotta have coffee first, though
[14:17] <pedro_> hey MrKanister, ready to squash some compiz bugs?
[14:17] <MrKanister> Hi pedro_, sure, but maybe not that much today ;)
[14:18] <pedro_> MrKanister: no problem , any help is always welcome ;-)
[14:20] <MrKanister> pedro_: Wow, you have already triaged a lot
[14:20]  * MrKanister huggs pedro_
[14:21] <pedro_> MrKanister: yeap, I've also cleaned all those apport bugs that were seated from a long while there
[14:21]  * pedro_ hugs MrKanister back
[15:21] <bddebian> Boo
[15:23]  * jgoguen jumps
[15:23] <bddebian> :)
[16:49] <Czubek> Hi all.
[17:00] <Czubek> I have a question: What "Nominate for release" button on launchpad means?
[17:01] <hggdh> that you would like to have the issue resolved on the release you point out
[17:02] <hggdh> Czubek, ^^
[17:05] <Czubek> hggdh: so, when I'm reading bug description, and I know that this bug occurs in supported release, then I should mark those release via "Nominate for release"?
[17:07] <hggdh> not really: "nominate for release" should actually be used only when the issue is serious enough to justify a stable release update (SRU), or inclusing on the current development release
[17:08] <hggdh> Czubek, see above. Usually minor issues do not warrant a SRU
[17:10] <hggdh> Czubek, of course, "serious enough" is a subjective thing. So: if you consider the issue "serious enough", then go ahead and mark it; this will be eventually reviewed, and decided
[17:11] <Czubek> hggdh: You mean this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#When
[17:12] <jgoguen> question about https://launchpad.net/bugs/232340, the Mozilla bug for that was marked as duplicate of another bug that was marked Invalid...should the Thunderbird component of this bug be marked Invalid too, or left as Confirmed?
[17:16] <hggdh> Czubek, yes
[17:16] <Czubek> tnx :)
[17:23] <hggdh> jgoguen, this is a good question. The request makes sense, but the MF has put in place the requirements for CA inclusion, and cacert.org has not yet fulfilled them
[17:24] <hggdh> jgoguen, you can add in a comment summarising what is going on wrt Mozilla Foundation and cacert.org, and keep the Ubuntu task open as wishlist
[17:24] <jgoguen> hggdh: can you change it to Wishlist?  I'm not on bugcontrol
[17:24] <hggdh> jgoguen, will do
[17:25] <jgoguen> hggdh: my other question about that one, since the bug linked was marked as resolved/duplicate should the LP bug be updated to point to the other one, or left to the Mozilla bug it currently points at?
[17:26] <hggdh> jgoguen, in this case I would leave it pointing to the current MF bug -- this gives a summary of the request, and points to why it has been closed as duplicate.
[17:26] <jgoguen> ok, thanks :)
[17:26] <hggdh> jgoguen, most of the times, we would point it to the original upstream bug, though
[17:27] <jgoguen> so in general, if the upstream bug is only marked as a dupe, update to point to the other bug, but if there's explanation in the duplicate then leave it
[17:27] <jgoguen> ok
[17:27] <jgoguen> thanks hggdh
[17:33] <hggdh> jgoguen, I updated the bug. Thank you for your work on it
[17:33] <jgoguen> thanks hggdh :)
[17:34] <hggdh> welcome
[17:35] <mangilimic> I've got a doubt. Bug #289966 . A user reported a problem, and he could find a workaround which fixed his bug. There are also other users which complains about this problem and they state that the workaround solves this issue! Indeed, which is the best status for marking this bug? Confirmed? or Invalid? (as usual I'm sorry for my awful english)
[17:38] <hggdh> mangilimic, a workaround is not a fix, so the bug should not be closed
[17:39] <mangilimic> hggdh: I agree so, is it correct to mark the bug as confirmed?
[17:40] <hggdh> given the others, I guess yes. It would be even better if you yourself could reproduce it.
[17:40] <hggdh> mangilimic, you can set as confirmed, and update the description as shown in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description.
[17:41] <hggdh> mangilimic, Latest package tested (if you could reproduce) and Workaround in special
[17:42] <mangilimic> ok! :) First of all I'm going to check if this is reproducible!
[17:42] <hggdh> mangilimic, BTW, your English seems pretty good
[17:42] <thekorn> is anybody using editmoin (or other external tools) to edit wikipages on wiki.ubuntu.com?
[17:43] <thekorn> I'm hacking on hugdaytools, and just realized that this wiki is now using OpenID for authentication
[17:43] <mangilimic> hggdh: I'm VERY glad to here that! :) Thanks
[17:43] <thekorn> so this MOIN_ID hack is not working anymore
[17:43] <mangilimic> hggdh: I'm VERY glad to hear that! :) Thanks
[17:44] <pedro_> thekorn: i'm using editmoin
[17:44] <bdmurray> you might need to update you cookie
[17:58] <thekorn> hmm, strange
[18:06] <BuckWild> Hello everyone.  I upgraded my 8.04 installation to the latest set of linux packages, and I get a kernel panic when I try to boot into it.  I'm running an Acer Aspire One netbook.  I believe this problem affects more than just me because I was able to find this link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6637549
[18:07] <BuckWild> I think the problem is a bug in one of those packages.  When I boot into 2.6.24-22, I am able to boot the computer fine and everything functions normally.  I just wanted to see if there was a way I could make sure someone is aware of the problem going forward, because it looks like it affects both 8.04 and 8.10 users on the Acer Aspire One
[18:15] <charlie-tca> BuckWild: Is there a bug report on it?
[18:16] <BuckWild> I didn't see one, I just read the page on bug reporting and submitted one
[18:18] <charlie-tca> What is the bug number?
[18:31] <BuckWild> I didn't check
[18:31] <BuckWild> probably shouldn't have closed that browser considering I don't think I have history on it
[18:31] <BuckWild> I tagged it on the image package name
[18:40] <pedro_> BuckWild: http://bugs.launchpad.net/people/+me/+reportedbugs <- check on your lp profile it should be listed there
[18:42] <BuckWild> it's not
[18:42] <BuckWild> I did the reporting through apport, do those get put somewhere else?
[18:43] <maco> and it actually worked?
[18:43] <BuckWild> looked like it did
[18:43] <BuckWild> I can just re-report it if it's not listed or whatever
[18:44] <greg-g> you should have be brought to a launchpad bug report page to describe what happened
[18:44] <BuckWild> yeah maybe it didn't go all the way through then
[18:44] <BuckWild> I'll run it again
[18:48] <BuckWild> the uname command and commands it has listed here are going to generate the wrong version of the kernel because I can't even boot into the other version
[18:51] <charlie-tca> BuckWild: Is that with today's updates or yesterday's updates?
[18:54] <BuckWild> charlie-tca, it might've been yesterday'ss
[18:54] <BuckWild> I installed it today, I didn't have my laptop running yesterday
[18:54] <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks.
[18:57] <BuckWild> np
[19:00] <hggdh> BuckWild, you should also have received an email on your bug. If you did not, it is a good idea to check your LP settings
[19:03] <BuckWild> hggdh, I didn't go all the way through the process last time, I thought I had, but I was being an airhead or something, I'm filing another report.
[19:04] <hggdh> heh
[19:08] <BuckWild> the bug number is 322867 and the link is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/322867
[19:11] <thekorn> argh, it's MOIN_SESSION and not MOIN_ID
[20:07] <thomasdelbeke> Hi there
[20:07] <thomasdelbeke> Is hgddh there?
[20:09] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, I am here, hi
[20:09] <thomasdelbeke> Hi
[20:09] <thomasdelbeke> You are on two channels now
[20:10] <thomasdelbeke> except the one with your name
[20:10] <thomasdelbeke> Should I close two down?
[20:10] <thomasdelbeke> Anyway
[20:10] <thomasdelbeke> The bug is back
[20:15] <hggdh> !pastebin
[20:50] <score> i'm trying to file a bug for syslog-ng. it exists in the debian package as well. should i file a debian bug and an ubuntu bug, or what?
[20:53] <james_w> score: if you are sure that it affects Debian then filing it in Debian would be great
[20:54] <james_w> if you would like Ubuntu developers to be able to track it as well then file it against Ubuntu too, and link the Debian bug
[21:17] <score> james_w: it's a minor bug. if i file the bug with debian, will if eventually make its way into ubuntu?
[21:18] <james_w> should do
[21:19] <score> does ubuntu mostly pull the diffs from debian, sometimes adding to them.. or do they only do that every 6 months and lose all previous changes?
[21:19] <score> better yet, do you know where i can read up on all this stuff?
[21:20] <james_w> we don't throw it away certainly
[21:21] <james_w> it's an ongoing process, but it peaks every 6 months
[21:21] <james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[23:12] <thekorn> pedro_, FYI, lp:~thekorn/hugday-tools/reloaded has a new (working) version of the hugday tool
[23:12] <thekorn> it still needs some minor fixes, but it works
[23:12] <pedro_> thekorn: AWESOME!
[23:13]  * pedro_ hugs thekorn
[23:13] <pedro_> thanks dude, will give it a try in a few secs
[23:13] <thekorn> take your time, I need some sleep now,
[23:14] <thekorn> please open bugreports if something is not working
[23:14] <pedro_> ok ;-)
[23:18] <maco> whats the hugday tool?
[23:18] <maco> i havent heard ofthis
[23:21] <pedro_> maco: it allows you to edit the hug day page without using a web browser or editmoin
[23:21] <pedro_> maco: for people that triage more than lets say 20 bugs it becomes really painful to edit the wiki page, you know, find the number , lightgreen blahblah
[23:22] <greg-g> I hated that part of hug day, slowed me down
[23:22] <pedro_> maco: the hugday tools helps you with that, you just pass that numbers to the tool and that's it
[23:22] <pedro_> greg-g: yeah mrkanister was arguing about it the other day
[23:22] <pedro_> he managed to triage like 300 reports during the firefox day and spent more time editing the wiki that actually triaging the bugs
[23:22] <mrooney> couldn't that be integrated into 5-a-day and figure out when to do that via the tag?
[23:23] <greg-g> pedro_: wow
[23:23] <greg-g> mrooney: +1 to integrated tools
[23:23] <greg-g> any help appreciated :)
[23:23] <mrooney> :)
[23:23] <pedro_> I'd *love* to see something like that
[23:23] <greg-g> hell, what bdmurray was thinking about with following the bug mail and doing it all automatically without user input
[23:24] <greg-g> THAT'D be cool.
[23:24] <pedro_> well that'be the perfect situation, automatically get all marked without any user interaction on that
[23:25]  * greg-g nods
[23:42] <cprofitt> does this 'bug' need any more information? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/322610


[00:22] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: ping
[00:23] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: do you know the 'request_url, authorization_url, access_url' for u1 oauth?
[00:30] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: forget it :) nvm (I'm lookin at verterok's code now, and I understand more)
[08:27] <kermiac> hey duanedesign :)
[13:36] <nicoco> hi guys. anyone managed to add his computer in ubuntu one ?
[13:36] <nicoco> I tried the method described in the FAQ but it doesn't work
[13:40] <nicoco> Although when I click "Manage account" in ubuntu one's preferences it opens a new tab pretty quickly
[13:41] <nicoco> the terminal method doesn't even open a new tab, it just writes ubuntuone-syncdaemon stopped
[13:42] <nicoco> honk
[13:42] <rye> nicoco, hi
[13:42]  * rye reads
[13:43] <rye> nicoco, ok, you are running lucid lynx, right?
[13:43] <nicoco> yes
[13:43] <nicoco> thanks for noticing me :)
[13:43] <rye> nicoco, "honk" is a magic word here :)
[13:44] <rye> nicoco, ok, so right now when you start ubuntuone-preferences you don't get your browser opened to add your computer, is this correct?
[13:44] <nicoco> no browser open unless I click "manage account"
[13:44] <nicoco> where I can indeed manage my account but there's not "add computer" button. also in the preferences I'm "not connected" despite in firefox i am
[13:46] <nicoco> fwiw I was running kde and switched to gnome recently just by installing ubuntu-desktop
[13:46] <nicoco> maybe there's a package I have to add manually or something ?
[13:47] <rye> nicoco, ok, could you please open the terminal, download the script from http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/ubuntuone-scripts/ubuntuone-debug-collect.sh and run it - it should pastebin the basic diagnostic info
[13:48] <nicoco> http://pastebin.com/2zG1YCez
[13:49] <nicoco> anything interesting there ?
[13:50] <rye> nicoco, ok, this is something new. And it is really interesting - the syncdaemon can call only one service - ubuntuone-login, and it looks like it does not really want to respond - Introspect error on com.ubuntuone.Authentication
[13:50] <rye> nicoco, could you please check whether ubuntuone-login process is running ?
[13:52] <nicoco> it is running
[13:52] <nicoco> "idle" and "futex_wait_queue_me"
[13:54] <rye> nicoco, ok, could you please kill it and then start from the terminal - /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-login and then from another terminal run u1sdtool --connect
[13:54] <nicoco> killing it opened a firefox window
[13:54] <rye> nicoco, i am interested in whatever ubuntuone-login might print to the terminal...
[13:54] <nicoco> do I log in ?
[13:54] <rye> o_O
[13:55] <rye> nicoco, killing _and_ running u1sdtool --connect ?
[13:55] <nicoco> just killing it
[13:55]  * rye is confused
[13:55] <rye> nicoco, it will not be able to add keyring items
[13:55] <nicoco> what ??
[13:55] <rye> nicoco, could you please close this page and try running  /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-login from the terminal
[13:56] <nicoco> nothing happens
[13:56] <nicoco> well it does launch the process
[13:56] <rye> nicoco, when firefox browser is opened ubuntuone-login switches to local webserver mode. Upon adding your computer to ubuntuone the server will redirect you to your local machine and give the necessary to kens to ubuntuone-login process which will put them to your local keyring
[13:57] <rye> nicoco, ok, now could you please do u1sdtool --connect in another terminal?
[13:57] <nicoco> working !
[13:57] <nicoco> "add this computer" then
[13:57] <nicoco> everything seems to work now
[13:58] <nicoco> you need more information about this ?
[13:58] <nicoco> want me to file a bug report ?
[14:03] <nicoco> well
[14:03] <nicoco> thanks for
[14:03] <nicoco> making it work
[14:05] <rye> nicoco, you are welcome. This bug is extremely hard to debug for some reason since it can not be reproduced again and once the process is running it is impossible to find out at what phase it is... however we can test for web service running...
[14:05] <rye> hm
[16:25] <TommyThaGun> is Ubuntu One having some issues?
[16:26] <beuno> TommyThaGun, not that we're aware of
[16:26] <beuno> TommyThaGun, not that we're aware ofwhat's up?
[16:26] <TommyThaGun> well, nothing is syncing
[16:27] <TommyThaGun> I was talking rye yesterday to try troubleshooting it, but I eventually just had to go
[16:27] <TommyThaGun> yesterday I was trying to sync different folder, but today not even the stuff in the Ubuntu One directory are syncing
[16:28] <TommyThaGun> It's saying Sync in progress...
[16:29] <TommyThaGun> u1sdtool --waiting-content is showing that the files in the Ubuntu One directory are waiting to upload
[16:29] <TommyThaGun> but it doesn't mention the files in the other directory
[16:30] <TommyThaGun> everything has worked before, but yesterday I deleted everything in my Ubuntu One directory because I found out you could specify directories to sync
[16:30]  * beuno defers to rye
[16:30] <TommyThaGun> so I did that, but since then, nothing has synced
[16:31] <rye> it may still be processing Unlinks for the files and folders
[16:31]  * rye is not really here - doing some dark oops magick
[16:32] <TommyThaGun> you mean, processing the things I removed from it?
[16:32] <TommyThaGun> I removed all of those, from the server and the directory
[16:32] <TommyThaGun> dark magick?
[16:32] <TommyThaGun> sounds scarey
[16:33] <TommyThaGun> oh wait, now stuff is showing up on the U1 site
[16:34] <TommyThaGun> at least the folder has, but it's empty
[16:34] <TommyThaGun> I guess I'll let it do it's magick and come back in a minute
[16:39] <TommyThaGun> okay, so far, over this 15 minute time it has created two folders, the main folder I am syncing, and the folder within it
[16:39] <TommyThaGun> but no files
[16:41] <rye> TommyThaGun, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanYepishev/UbuntuOne/ClientControl#Queues
[16:41]  * rye needs to put this somewhere in a better place
[17:00] <duanedesign> rye: that page ^^ is awesome. I refered someone to it last night.
[17:01] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[17:03] <duanedesign> TommyThaGun: for hours of fun you can watch:  tail -fn 50 ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[17:04] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[17:04] <duanedesign> hmm?
[17:04] <TommyThaGun> that ... could be ... fun
[17:05] <TommyThaGun> helpful for sure, fun though?
[17:07] <TommyThaGun> sometimes I wish my screen was a foot wider so that those lines that are so long that have to wrap to the next line would just be one loooooong line
[17:07]  * duanedesign agrees
[17:09] <TommyThaGun> what is the '50' doing in the tail command?
[17:12] <topyli> "show me 50 lines worth of data"
[17:12] <TommyThaGun> got it
[17:19] <TommyThaGun> WAIT!
[17:19] <TommyThaGun> there's activity!
[17:19] <TommyThaGun> it uploaded a file!
[17:19] <duanedesign> \o/
[17:20] <TommyThaGun> a 20K file
[17:20] <TommyThaGun> and another
[17:22] <TommyThaGun> do you think there could be an issue on my end that makes it take so long for these files to upload?
[17:23] <TommyThaGun> it's been through the metadata for around 10 minutes now, and it's just been working on the contect
[17:23] <TommyThaGun> content*
[17:26] <sid___> Hi is there is a fix for the bug regarding the slow upload speed of the Client?
[17:26] <TommyThaGun> :-)
[17:27] <sid___> Its really not funny...
[17:27] <TommyThaGun> I'm smiling because I was just asking the same thing :-/
[17:27] <duanedesign> sid___: he was pointing out the coincidence that we were just talking about that
[17:28] <duanedesign> TommyThaGun: other than checking the maximum UL/DL settings there is not a lot you can do.
[17:31] <sid___> Hmm.... But why is it so slow? as in the upload is tricling in btes per second...
[17:31] <sid___> bytes*
[17:36] <sid___> The log is showing it just takes a long time to complete each and every action... like i dragged in 45 pictures to test and there is queue of actions...
[17:37] <sid___> which atomically take a long time to complete..
[17:37] <sid___> And it spends a lot of time connecting and disconnecting...
[17:38] <sid___> BTW is there a plan for exposing the API?
[17:38] <sid___> Like a REST sevice support?
[17:39] <duanedesign> sid___: what does u1sdtool -s say?
[17:39] <mkarnicki> sid___: there is :) but I don't know more details (yet!)
[17:39] <duanedesign> hello mkarnicki
[17:40] <mkarnicki> sid___: oh wait.. that might have been couchdb REST, not u1
[17:40] <mkarnicki> hello duanedesign  :)
[17:40] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: how are things :)
[17:40] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: i have been showing everyone your ideas for the AndroidU! GUI
[17:40] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: as for my last question, I read some code from verterok and understood what I was asking about.
[17:41] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: lovely, thank you ^ ^ I'm really happy I get much feedback already!
[17:41] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: ubuntu community is really great :) I have comments, I have mails on ubuntuone-users, I talk to people
[17:41] <sid___> duanedesign: Its connected... I think the server is just too slow...Cause the queue takes like 1-2 mins to process and action...
[17:41] <duanedesign> nice
[17:42] <TommyThaGun> do you guys use a specific text editor for coding python?
[17:42] <duanedesign> TommyThaGun: i like gedit
[17:43] <sid___> Gedit is good
[17:43] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[17:43] <sid___> for python
[17:43] <TommyThaGun> okay
[17:44] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: you're involved in U1 development, aren't you? I think I have seen your signatures somewhere around the code
[17:44] <sid___> geany helps you do a search for variables in all open files and ctrl-click to reference the definition
[17:44] <duanedesign> TommyThaGun: I have a section on my wiki with tips for gedit that make it a better environment for Python http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/okwiki/pythonquest
[17:44] <TommyThaGun> awesome
[17:44] <TommyThaGun> thanks
[17:44] <sid___> TommyThaGun: Try bpython.... you will love it command line
[17:45] <TommyThaGun> I'm trying to get back into coding, it's been since I was in high school that I did it
[17:45] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: no I am not. I am just a fan boy. :)
[17:45] <sid___> TommyThaGun: bpython has autocomplete in the REPL...
[17:45] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: i have a couple of projects I am working on that use couchDB and U1.
[17:47] <TommyThaGun> duanedesign, why do you want to make tabs spaces?
[17:47] <TommyThaGun> are they just supposed to be consistent?
[17:58] <sid___> So could just any one tell me if the ubuntu sync daemon is slow because of the server and if this is a widespread problem or just a bug affecting a few people?
[18:01] <sid___> ?
[18:01] <sid___> Anyone..
[18:01] <mkarnicki> sid___: I will tell you
[18:02] <sid___> mkarnicki: Now would be good...
[18:02] <mkarnicki> with release of 10.04 there where hunreads (thousands?) of people, that got an U1 account and started syncing
[18:02] <mkarnicki> developers have been saying that there're working on the problem, but
[18:02] <mkarnicki> it's not only software related - they are scaling-up the whole system. that means, hardware
[18:03] <mkarnicki> at least, that's what I have heard. there are major updates to the infrastructure
[18:03] <mkarnicki> often, the sync failed totally for some period of times
[18:03] <sid___> mkarnicki: So ETA 2-3 months?
[18:03] <mkarnicki> I know it takes long, but you should know that
[18:04] <mkarnicki> U1 is still in beta. maybe it's not such a swiftly working beta as gmail
[18:04] <mkarnicki> but please have more patience
[18:04] <mkarnicki> sid___: perhaps, I don't know. I'm not a developer (U1 developer)
[18:04] <mkarnicki> but I have been following this channel and have seen many people complaining on slow/no sync
[18:04] <mkarnicki> so, if it sometimes syncs slow for you, you're not alone.
[18:05] <mkarnicki> I do bear in mind that's still beta, these things can happen.
[18:05] <sid___> mkarnicki: Well patience is obviously there... I am a s/w developer so I know how hard these problems are..
[18:05] <mkarnicki> Also, there are even some problems for ppl who pay for the music on U1, but these are also often resolved with help of ppl from this channel.
[18:05] <mkarnicki> sid___: :)
[18:06] <mkarnicki> sid___: so, all in all, I think you are not alone
[18:06] <mkarnicki> there's also a link (perhaps somewhere in the channel topic?) to a wiki, where they
[18:06] <mkarnicki> update the status of U1. also, they might post to u1 twitter or to one.ubuntu.com dashboard
[18:06] <mkarnicki> that's all I know about some general sync-related problems
[18:07] <sid___> mkarnicki: hmm
[18:08] <sid___> mkarnicki: so essentially the project is rebooting....
[18:08] <sid___> hardware wise
[18:09] <mkarnicki> sid___: bah! that's in the topic :D wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status (perhaps useful)
[18:09] <mkarnicki> sid___: I think they are scaling up, yes.
[18:09] <mkarnicki> they've been hit pretty hard with the load
[18:09] <sid___> mkarnicki: Well I was going to buy 50GB space...
[18:09] <sid___> I think I ll wait a while
[18:10] <mkarnicki> sid___: I also plan to upgrade, but yet not now
[18:10] <mkarnicki> I gotta go now..
[18:10] <mkarnicki> take care sid___
[18:10] <sid___> mkarnicki: You too thanks
[18:11] <sid___> for the help
[18:11] <mkarnicki> c u later duanedesign (stipple project looks very cool!)
[19:42] <rotten777> anyone available to troubleshoot the sync-daemon not doing anything?
[19:42] <rotten777> i've quit and connected three times and 0 files actually get synchronized
[19:42] <rotten777> over 7k files waiting
[19:43] <beuno> rotten777, everytime you quit and start again
[19:43] <beuno> it goes through this very long process
[19:43] <beuno> before it starts uploading again
[19:44] <rotten777> it was running for about 5 days with nothing
[19:44] <rotten777> i restarted and left it for 4-5 hours
[19:44] <rotten777> and its been running for 3 days since the last restart
[19:44] <beuno> rotten777, and waht does u1sdtool -s say?
[19:45] <rotten777> State: SERVER_RESCAN
[19:45] <rotten777>     connection: With User With Network
[19:45] <rotten777>     description: doing server rescan
[19:45] <rotten777>     is_connected: True
[19:45] <rotten777>     is_error: False
[19:45] <rotten777>     is_online: False
[19:45] <rotten777>     queues: WORKING_ON_BOTH
[19:45] <beuno> so it's still doing a server rescan after 4 hours
[19:45] <beuno> that's not good
[19:45] <beuno> verterok, facundobatista, ping?  ^
[19:45] <rotten777> no its been over a day since the last restart
[19:46] <beuno> ok, that's worst  :)
[19:47] <rotten777> lol
[19:47] <rotten777> yeah
[19:47] <facundobatista> beuno, rotten777, we know is slow, we're working in improvements, we already worked on some that will be rolled out soon
[19:48] <rotten777> facundobatista: i don't believe it's a speed issue... i believe the issue is not trying to sync
[19:49] <rotten777> regardless, is there a way to mark all files (sans the u1ms files) not to sync?
[19:49] <rotten777> I'm going to try to just archive all the data and sync 1 file
[19:50] <facundobatista> rotten777, nop, if it's in Ubuntu One (and doesn't have a special name like .foo.swp, etc), it will be synced
[19:51] <rotten777> facundobatista, k thanks for the help... any eta for the next client release?
[19:52] <facundobatista> rotten777, really don't know there, but that's our priority
[19:53] <rotten777> cool. i hope this really takes off. i think the revenue would be great for the uf
[19:53] <facundobatista> rotten777, "uf"?
[19:53] <rotten777> ubuntu foundation
[20:07] <dobey> there will be a new version in lucid-proposed soon (hopefully today)
[20:07] <dobey> and it should make it into lucid-updates in a couple weeks if we can get all the bugs as verified asap after getting it into -proposed
[20:07] <dobey> and there will be a new version uploaded to maverick in the next few days
[20:09] <rotten777> shweet
[20:11] <rotten777> how I remove a folder listed in the files from the u1 management panel?
[20:11] <dobey> not sure i understand that question
[20:12] <rotten777> when I go to the files section on the u1 web site, it shows my storage
[20:12] <rotten777> theres a folder in the list that I want to remove
[20:12] <dobey> ah, from the web ui you want to delete a folder
[20:13] <rotten777> yes
[20:14] <dobey> click on the "More" link on the right side of the page, for the folder you want to delete
[20:14] <beuno> unleess it's a UDF or a share
[20:14] <beuno> I haven't gotten to adding a delete button to those yet
[20:16] <rotten777> I just get the option to share the folder
[20:19] <rotten777> so no way to remove them?
[20:20] <beuno> rotten777, this is a folder you right-clicked on and synced?
[20:21] <rotten777> children of a folder yes
[20:32] <dobey> rotten777: i believe beuno was suggesting it's currently only doable on the web for folders under the "Ubuntu One" folder
[20:33] <beuno> well, I think a folder inside a UDF is fine
[20:42] <rotten777> i dont understand
[20:49] <dobey> beuno: hmm, so it is
[20:50] <dobey> rotten777: are you clicking "More" for something under the "My synced folders" list, or under the "Foldres" list, on https://one.ubuntu.com/files/
[20:52] <rotten777> https://one.ubuntu.com/files/
[20:59] <dobey> rotten777: i can't see your files, so i have no idea what you're looking at exactly :)
[20:59] <dobey> i just know the site layout
[21:05] <rotten777> go to that site and it lists the folders on the u1 site under "my storage"
[21:05] <rotten777> i click on more and the menu drops down and says share folder and nothing else
[21:12] <duffydack> things are a bit slow tonight..
[21:18] <duffydack> my client wont stay connected all of a suden.
[21:18] <duffydack> sudden*
[21:51] <duffydack> my file is stuck... its got the grey arrows with padlock and not doing anything..  It initially uploaded, according to the emblem, and I made a public url but couldnt get the url as the options were ghosted, and when I rebooted, its like this now..
[23:14] <brad_> Hello -- can someone ping Alejandro and get a status update from him on https://launchpad.net/bugs/576472  ?  I'm still experiencing issues with this issue.
[23:36] <wsmgeoff> hi. i was wondering when the ubuntu one contacts will be fixed?
[23:38] <mkarnicki> you should have patience guys, it's really late to ask that questions :) you may also try again tomorrow, earlier.
[23:39] <mkarnicki> /s/that/those


[11:29] <trondm> Hi. I have an upstart job that emits an event. How can I get a different upstart job to restart when this event is emitted?
[11:30] <jodh> trondm: creating a 3rd upstart job that specifies "start on some-event" and then "exec restart some-job" would do it.
[11:32] <trondm> OK. Thanks.
[13:54] <glenn___> Afternoon
[13:55] <glenn___> Ive been working on precise for some days now, and im noticing that a lot of software doesnt have upstart scripts
[13:55] <glenn___> What exactly are the guide lines on this?
[13:56] <glenn___> Will each software package in precise come with upstart scripts?
[13:56] <jodh> glenn___: we want to migrate SysV services to Upstart. See https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-upstart-convert-main-initd-to-jobs
[13:56] <glenn___> jodh: im trying to implement puppet
[13:57] <glenn___> im having lots of troubles with init.d scripts, or non existent upstart scripts
[13:57] <glenn___> fail2ban is not correct, postgresql fails
[13:57] <glenn___> jodh: can I add software on that list?
[13:57] <jodh> glenn___: Due to the number of packages available (incl. universe, multiverse, etc), we need help to work on this migration.
[13:58] <glenn___> jodh: id be happy to help out with this
[13:59] <jodh> glenn___: your help would be much appreciated; a lot of problems we see on Ubuntu come from SysV services (or the _interaction_ between SysV services and Upstart jobs). Life would be a lot simpler and safer if all the services were converted to Upstart jobs IMHO.
[13:59] <glenn___> jodh: is it correct to say that if a good upstart job exists, all the /etc/rc* and /etc/init.d/ can be deleted safely?
[13:59] <glenn___> for that package
[13:59] <glenn___> jodh: im currently only seeing mysql and ssh in upstart for the software we support
[14:00] <glenn___> jodh: my biggest issue is that even the sysv scripts are not working properly, i.e. status will give the wrong exit code
[14:01] <jodh> "yes", atleast for Ubuntu, but the init.d scripts won't go away - they will still exist in debian. Added to which, when debian gets a current version of Upstart and the associated tooling support, the plan is to make the Ubuntu upstart jobs available in debian (since at that stage, debian will support multiple init systems).
[14:01] <jodh> glenn___: please raise bugs if you find them.
[14:02] <glenn___> jodh: what exactly is the way to go if i wanted to add an upstart script to a software package?
[14:03] <jodh> glenn___: you need to add a debian/<package>.upstart file.
[14:04] <glenn___> jodh: i never did work on packages before, hence my question :)
[14:04] <jodh> glenn___: I'd strongly recommend you read this first then: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[14:06] <glenn___> jodh: im only interested in the upstart scripts
[14:06] <jodh> glenn___: although nominally as simple as creating that one file, it takes a lot of effort to test the package and to ensure you've written the upstart job correctly.
[14:06] <glenn___> jodh: why dont package maintainers make the upstart scripts themselves?
[14:06] <jodh> glenn___: ok, if you'd like to contribute some upstart conf files that would be great.
[14:06] <jodh> glenn___: they do (?)
[14:07] <glenn___> yeah
[14:07] <glenn___> people just created packages without upstart scripts
[14:07] <glenn___> its weird to me
[14:07] <glenn___> or failing sysv scripts regarding the exit code
[14:08] <jodh> glenn___: remember that a large number of ubuntu packages originate in debian - where upstart support is poor currently. Hence, there is currently little incentive for debian devs to create the upstart file as that wouldn't (couldn't really) be used in debian (currently).
[14:08] <glenn___> upstart in precise: fail2ban, postgresql, puppet, varnishd, haproxy, denyhosts
[14:09] <glenn___> jodh: oh ic
[14:09] <jodh> glenn___: if you've found a bug with a failing sysv init script, please raise it providing as many details as you can.
[14:09] <glenn___> jodh: that explains a lot
[14:09] <glenn___> jodh: people arent really pushed towards creating upstart scripts in debian yet :)
[14:10] <jodh> glenn___: we are trying to address these issues though. any help you can provide would be very valuable to debian+ubuntu.
[14:10] <glenn___> jodh: so if i would create an upstart script for a package, i would actually have to create the package myself ?
[14:11] <jodh> glenn___: no, but as you can see from the size of that packaging document, there is a lot of detail and process to understand before you can make changes to a package.
[14:11] <glenn___> jodh: yeah its very big
[14:12] <glenn___> jodh: but the upstart scripts seems pretty evident to me.. just 1 file in /etc/init
[14:12] <glenn___> jodh: at least, thats how i fix it now while testing precise
[14:13] <glenn___> jodh: to be honest, it is not really easy to get an upstart script into a package :)
[14:13] <glenn___> at least, thats how it looks te me
[14:14] <jodh> glenn___: if you have manually converted a sysv job to an upstart .conf file, please raise a bug on the ubuntu package, attach your config and we'll review it and get it added to the package if possible.
[14:14] <jodh> glenn___: if you haven't already seen it: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#how-to-establish-a-jobs-start-on-and-stop-on-conditions
[14:16] <jodh> glenn___: testing is extremely important though - creating the .conf file is the first step. But testing is required to ensure it will work in all runlevels, if certain packages are not installed, etc.
[14:19] <glenn___> jodh: so if correct, if i would have a upstart script, i could raise a bug on that package with my config in it?
[14:19] <glenn___> jodh: and in regard to ubuntu versions, like LTS (lucid, precise), can they have the same upstart script?
[14:20] <jodh> glenn___: yes - someone else with packaging experience can then add it to the appropriate package and test it.
[14:20] <glenn___> jodh: thats cool, and works good for me
[14:20] <jodh> glenn___: it's much more likely to be made available for precise.
[14:21] <jodh> glenn___: great, thanks.
[14:33] <glenn___> jodh: im trying to report a bug, would this title/summary make sense: SysV script returns the wrong exit code when fail2ban is not running
[14:34] <jodh> glenn___: makes sense to me :)
[14:34] <glenn___> jodh: it is just for the status command, should that be in there?
[14:34] <glenn___> im trying to make sure im having a good example, for next bugs :)
[14:35] <glenn___> perhaps this is better: SysV status script returns the wrong exit code when fail2ban is not running
[14:35] <jodh> glenn___: right.
[14:35] <glenn___> awesome
[14:43] <glenn___> jodh: would package maintainers know enough if the bug is stating the exit code is wrong?
[14:44] <jodh> glenn___: please give an actual example on the bug as this will make analysis and thus resolution easier.
[14:44] <glenn___> i understand, but im more wondering if i should also put in the code to perhaps fix it
[14:45] <glenn___> before i submit the bug :)
[14:45] <jodh> glenn___: if you have a fix, yes please provide it. I wouldn't hold off raising the bug though.
[14:45] <glenn___> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fail2ban/+bug/920995
[14:47] <glenn___> i suppose this i something :)
[14:48] <jodh> glenn___: thanks.
[14:49] <glenn___> jodh: first of many :)
[14:49] <glenn___> jodh: btw, thank you !
[14:50] <glenn___> jodh: do you have an example bug for an upstart script request?
[14:50] <jodh> jodh: np. you might want to hang out on #ubuntu-devel if you're interested in getting involved.
[14:51] <glenn___> glenn: what exactly is nice about having in ubuntu-devel? :)
[14:51] <glenn___> s/having/hanging
[14:51] <jodh> take a look. This channel is for upstart-specific discussion, so we're getting a bit off topic here.
[14:51] <jodh> afk...
[16:47] <glenn___> ello
[16:48] <glenn___> when im using upstart to start puppet im having troubles. upstart gives the wrong pid back.
[16:49] <jodh> glenn___: Read this section carefully - http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#expect in particular http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#when-wrong-pid-is-tracked
[16:50] <glenn___> jodh: that will help :)
[18:35] <glenn___> jodh: it seems it forks 23 times after i start it, pretty weird if you ask me
[18:46] <glenn___> tomorrow another day
[19:51] <SpamapS> glenn___: its forking running things that it needs
[19:51] <SpamapS> glenn___: perhaps it doesn't need to use 'expect fork' ?