[00:02] <kaushal> head_victim: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kickseed/+bug/548617
[00:05] <head_victim> That bug states that there is a fix released, have you tried the suggested fix?
[00:05] <kaushal> head_victim: nope
[00:06] <kaushal> i dont see the fix being released as per the bug 548617
[00:06] <kaushal> has it to do with debian installer ?
[00:06] <head_victim> It's a duplicate of another bug and the other bug is marked fix released.
[00:07] <head_victim> I'd suggest downloading the latest install iso for 10.04 (I think they're up to 10.04.3?) and trying that
[00:07] <kaushal> head_victim: ok
[00:08] <kaushal> head_victim: as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/null/+bug/546929 comment #10
[00:08] <kaushal> please suggest
[00:12] <head_victim> That was over a 18 months ago though
[00:12] <head_victim> It has been marked as fixed on the 30th of March 2010
[00:24] <kaushal> head_victim: got disconnected
[00:24] <kaushal> head_victim: please suggest further
[08:04] <ajcullen> Hey sag
[08:06] <ajcullen> Got time for that ubuntu install?
[08:29] <sagaci> not really, have a few moments, later this evening?
[08:33] <devilmaycare> okay cool mate
[08:33] <devilmaycare> what time do u reckon
[08:33] <devilmaycare> i am EST
[08:36] <sagaci> i'm aedst
[08:36] <sagaci> so 7:36 here now... maybe around 9pm
[08:36] <sagaci> 90 mins
[08:36] <devilmaycare> oh me too sorry i am in hobart
[08:36] <devilmaycare> cool man not a probs
[08:37] <devilmaycare> excuse my multiple nicks i have irc open twice
[10:28] <vadi2> hey guys
[10:29] <vadi2> new to aus, what would be good resources for me to obtain parts for a computer? my 3-4 year old system76 laptop's hinge broke, looking at replacing it and building a desktop as well
[10:31] <sagaci> new desktop or from spare parts
[10:35] <devilmaycare> have you got the part numbers?
[10:35] <devilmaycare> whats the model number for your laptop?
[10:36] <head_victim> vadi2: actually system76 ship to Australia now apparently. So if all you're after is parts I'd contact them directly. If you're after building a desktop I'd recommend Computer Alliance (It looks like you're in Brisbane from your host?) on logan road in Mt Gravatt.
[10:39] <vadi2> head_victim: Yeah I'm the guy with the girl who came to the latest party
[10:39] <vadi2> you gave us a ride!
[10:39] <head_victim> I thought so but didn't like to assume ;)
[10:39] <vadi2> sagaci: new desktop
[10:39] <vadi2> devilmaycare: compal fl90
[10:40] <vadi2> don't have the part number, didn't take it off yet, but it's the right hinge that just snapped when I was pushing the sceen back :(
[10:40] <head_victim> Computer Alliance aren't the really cheap and nasty type but they do give good service and great after sales support in my experience (I've been buying there over 10 years). If you're after cheap and nasty look up umart or msy
[10:41] <sagaci> vadi2: depends what you're going to use the new desktop for
[10:41] <vadi2> sagaci: skyrim in wine on highest settings, how about that?
[10:42] <vadi2> also, I'd like a dual-user environment later down the track
[10:51] <devilmaycare> http://www.itspares.com.au/index.php?route=common/home
[10:51] <sagaci> vadi2: are you dual-booting with windows
[10:51] <devilmaycare>
[10:51] <devilmaycare> http://www.sparepartswarehouse.com/Compaq,Prosignia-190,470003-077,Laptop,Parts.aspx
[10:51] <vadi2> sagaci: no, not dual booting
[10:51] <sagaci> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=24749&iTestingId=67658
[10:52] <vadi2> Yeah, gold rating
[10:56] <sagaci> your kilometreage may vary
[10:57] <head_victim> Hah someone has their enAU l10n hat on ;)
[11:05] <ajcullen> Sag I am just walking home
[11:05] <ajcullen> Ready to do ubuntu install soon?
[11:06] <sagaci> not right this moment
[11:06] <sagaci> ...
[11:06] <ajcullen> Okay...let me know when...
[11:07] <ajcullen> How d up go with those sites vadi?
[11:08] <ajcullen> Anyone got ubuntu on a tablet?
[11:14] <head_victim> ajcullen: not yet, I wish I had a tablet to see if it worked ;)
[11:18] <ajcullen> Yer... I'm soil in the process of checking that my XOOM is running right after root
[11:19] <ajcullen> Still*
[11:19] <ajcullen> I am walking home xoom in hand talking on irc lol
[11:21] <head_victim> Nice work :)
[11:21] <head_victim> Welcome back vadi2
[11:22] <ajcullen> Trying not to get owned by lamp posts and the like
[11:25] <vadi2> allo!
[11:36] <ajcullen> Hey man
[11:37] <ajcullen> How u go with the links?
[11:53] <vadi2> yep saw them
[11:53] <vadi2> Now to research on what products are trustworthy


[08:48] <nebuchadnezzar> hello
[08:48] <nebuchadnezzar> it seems that isoinfo is segfaulting
[08:51] <nebuchadnezzar> the manpage of isoinfo says that we should not use -l with -f, but it always segfault
[08:56] <nebuchadnezzar> here is the output of a strace http://paste.ubuntu.com/5572849/
[09:00] <nebuchadnezzar> it seems to be my raw image which cause the segfault, with another iso it does not
[09:07] <nebuchadnezzar> I wonder if using only the -f for "find like output" is not simpler
[09:34] <nebuchadnezzar> hmm, I have a dependency problem with isotracker http://paste.ubuntu.com/5572903/
[09:39] <nebuchadnezzar> Ok, my segfault was due to symlink farm
[09:39] <nebuchadnezzar> using COPYLINK solve my problem
[09:50] <nebuchadnezzar> cjwatson: is it planned to support setting DI_CODENAME is cdimage?
[10:04] <cjwatson> Not at present; not quite sure why you'd need to
[10:05] <cjwatson> You need to check out lp:ubuntu-archive-tools in $CDIMAGE_ROOT/ubuntu-archive-tools
[10:22] <nebuchadnezzar> cjwatson: having a newer kernel at installation time
[10:22] <cjwatson> I would suggest just hacking debian-cd/CONF.sh
[10:23] <cjwatson> Or whatever other bit of debian-cd seems appropriate
[10:25] <nebuchadnezzar> seems that cdimage is responsible of extracting debootstrap


[14:28] <brendand> ubuntu-qa - review my fix for camera-app tests: https://code.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/camera-app/location_prompt_disable/+merge/230961
[14:29] <robotfuel> brendand: I'll review
[14:34] <robotfuel> brendand: It seems like _set_location_service_testing should be placed in a helper so ux tests can use it.
[14:35] <brendand> robotfuel, you mean a helper in camera-app?
[14:36] <robotfuel> brendand: yes, I assume there is one.
[14:36] <robotfuel> brendand: if there isn't we should make one to put stuff like that in it.
[14:43] <brendand> robotfuel, i kind of feel like we're starting to need a package that contains helpers which don't belong to a specific app, or are generally useful
[14:43] <brendand> robotfuel, trying to shoehorn them into the 'appropriate package' is painful and not even that obvious
[14:44] <brendand> robotfuel, maybe i'll bring it up with thomi :)
[14:44] <robotfuel> brendand: I think those should go in the ubuntu-uitoolkit-autopilot package. We should talk to elopio and thomi about it on monday.
[14:47] <robotfuel> brendand: the helper should also have tests. so we know it's the helper breaking and not something in the test.
[14:47] <robotfuel> brendand: do you want me to make my comments in the MP?
[14:49] <brendand> robotfuel, the ci folks are really desperate for this fix - the helper itself is already tested as such - if it breaks then all the tests will fail
[14:51] <robotfuel> brendand: I don't think the test for a helper will take a long time to write, I can propose a mp with some simple test for that if you want.
[14:52] <brendand> robotfuel, if you think you can whip one up quickly then ok, but as i said - if the purpose of the test it to make sure it can't land when the helper is broken, well - that's already the case
[14:52] <brendand> robotfuel, i don't see what a test would do beyond starting the app
[14:53] <robotfuel> brendand: the helper is broken? can we do a quick hangout?
[14:56] <brendand> robotfuel, no :) i mean it's already the case that if the helper breaks the tests will fail
[14:57] <brendand> robotfuel, it works right now of course
[14:59] <robotfuel> brendand: okay that makes sense thanks :D.  I think we decided to make sure that all the helpers have tests awhile back.
[15:02] <robotfuel> brendand: if location service doesn't work on an image that helper test has a chance of blocking the image for promotion.  the platform-api's unit tests are in a sad state.
[15:09] <brendand> robotfuel, i'm not really objecting to having a test for it - just that i don't see it being that useful really
[15:09] <brendand> robotfuel, we can have a quick hangout if you want me to explain
[15:16] <robotfuel> brendand: sure do you want to meet in the ux hangout
[15:21] <brendand> robotfuel, yeah
[15:25] <brendand> robotfuel, can't hear you now
[15:31] <brendand> robotfuel, dropped again
[15:33] <brendand> robotfuel, i'll talk to tvoss about how to query the location service
[15:33] <deepubuntu> Is this the place for newbies??
[15:34] <brendand> robotfuel, but as i said, we can't really block on that - we'd only be harming our selves by hiding failures in the camera-app
[15:37] <brendand> deepubuntu, it's the place for everyone
[15:42] <deepubuntu1> okay
[15:43] <deepubuntu1> so I want to know about how can I contribute for ubuntu
[15:43] <deepubuntu1> I am a open source enthusiastic and contributing for mozilla
[15:43] <deepubuntu1> brendand:
[15:47] <deepubuntu1> ??
[15:49] <brendand> deepubuntu1, balloons is your spirit guide in the world of ubuntu :)
[15:51] <deepubuntu1> brendand: sorry but I am not getting you
[15:51] <brendand> deepubuntu1, balloons is a person
[15:51] <brendand> deepubuntu1, hopefully he's around
[15:52] <brendand> deepubuntu1, there are many things you can do but balloons knows best
[15:52] <deepubuntu1> balloons: when you come back please ping me
[15:52] <deepubuntu1> brendand: you can give me overview if you want
[15:52] <deepubuntu1> :)
[15:52] <brendand> deepubuntu1, what do you do in the mozilla community?
[15:53] <deepubuntu1> I do lot of stuff there. I replies tweets and questions. I do testing and I also have resolves some bugs but I am not good in cooding yet
[15:53] <deepubuntu1> *coding
[15:55] <deepubuntu1> I don't think I can contribute much in coding with C and C++ brendand
[15:55] <brendand> deepubuntu1, that's ok
[15:56] <brendand> deepubuntu1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester
[15:58] <balloons> deepubuntu1, hello.. you caught me as I'm off to lunch :-)
[15:58] <deepubuntu1> oh sorry to disturb you balloons
[15:58] <deepubuntu1> I hope you have taken lunch properly :)
[16:01] <deepubuntu1> well brendand gave me a great link thanks a lot but I want to know about structure and overview for contribution in ubuntu balloons
[16:01] <deepubuntu1> btw thanks again for the amazing link brendand :)
[16:02] <balloons> deepubuntu1, sure
[16:02] <deepubuntu1> :)
[16:02] <balloons> deepubuntu1, the link brendand gave is a great starting place
[16:05] <balloons_> Sorry about that.
[16:05] <deepubuntu1> its ok]
[16:06] <deepubuntu1> Is there any way to respond users on their quaries
[16:06] <deepubuntu1> ok I decided to contribute form the testing
[16:06] <deepubuntu1> so the link given by brendand is perfect
[16:07] <deepubuntu1> thanks a lot brendand and balloons  :D:D:D
[16:09] <elfy> deepubuntu1: if you want to help with support - there are 4 main avenues open - forum/mailing list/irc and askubuntu
[16:10] <deepubuntu1> oh please please tell me more about it elfy
[16:11] <balloons_> Sorry I keep dcing.
[16:11] <elfy> well the forum is http://ubuntuforums.org/ , mailing lists can be found https://lists.ubuntu.com/#Community+Support irc support is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList and askbuntu.com
[16:11] <elfy> the first 3 are all official support avenues, askubuntu less so
[16:12] <elfy> balloons_: hi :)
[16:14] <deepubuntu1> well that was the link http://ubuntuforums.org/ I was searching for thanks elfy :)
[16:14] <elfy> welcome
[16:14] <deepubuntu1> :d
[16:14] <deepubuntu1> :D
[16:14] <balloons_> Thanks for filling in. I'll like drop again in a second :( anyways feel free to pm balloons and leave a way to contact you back like email if you still have questions. But I'm guessing elfy Will take care of you
[16:15] <elfy> deepubuntu1: if you've not got an account there PLEASE read the notices you'll see there and if you do get an issue come see me in #ubuntuforums
[16:15] <elfy> deepubuntu1: but a lot of people - like me - do some of each, so I do QA and support and a few other things
[16:16] <elfy> do what takes your fancy - enjoy doing it or do something else - we don't get paid :)
[16:16] <deepubuntu1> well I really don't won't anything that's why I am here
[16:16] <deepubuntu1> hoping to learn somthing
[16:16] <deepubuntu1> and this is all what I get
[16:17] <elfy> I'd start with testing, that's as easy as getting iso's and following written instructions
[16:17] <deepubuntu1> and yes sure I will ping balloons and balloons_ and elfy and brendand if I need help. Can I :D
[16:17] <elfy> join the forum and askubuntu - read things people are wanting help with - that's how I learnt :)
[16:18] <elfy> both testing and low level support are really important
[16:18] <deepubuntu1> yes because I don't have to do much there just install developing version and use as normal way and if i face trouble report it. this is my job?
[16:19] <elfy> that sounds about right :)
[16:20] <deepubuntu1> yes actually I think my contribution in mozilla testing will help me here too
[16:20] <deepubuntu1> and this is what I earn from contributing and for sure I will get something here too
[16:20] <elfy> I run the dev version from about week #1 till release
[16:20] <deepubuntu1> dev version okay
[16:22] <deepubuntu1> thanks a lot everyone foe helping me :)
[16:22] <elfy> deepubuntu1: the dev version being what we test in the main, currently that's October 2014's release
[16:22] <elfy> and you are most welcome :)
[16:22] <deepubuntu1> :D
[17:05] <Nothing_Much> I think KVM/Qemu isn't working right for TestDrive
[17:05] <Nothing_Much> It won't allow me to install Ubuntu in a virtual drive
[17:26] <average_guy> I am having this problem too Nothing_Much
[17:26] <average_guy> Bug #1352623
[17:27] <average_guy> Virtualbox works great though
[18:46] <Nothing_Much> average_guy: yeah, though I need to reinstall vbox
[18:49] <Nothing_Much> average_guy: also, just wondering, do you know whether Ubuntu has drivers for KVM or not?
[18:51] <average_guy> drivers Nothing_Much? I used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation
[18:52] <ianorlin> the paravirtualized drivers?
[19:01] <average_guy> no paravirt w/KVM.  KVM=Full Virtualization I believe, need to read a bit.  I use virt-mgr sometimes but mostly vbox to OS test and QEMU to virtualize ppc arch http://leuchtfeuerfunk.wordpress.com/2014/08/03/permission-to-break-the-system-granted/
[19:04] <average_guy> kvm is easier if you are doing all cli
[19:20] <average_guy> maybe you want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/spice
[19:20] <average_guy> Nothing_Much:


[05:12] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:13] <psydroid> morning Kilos
[05:14] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[05:33] <Kilos> psydroid, tell us a bit about yourself. like what you do, what OS you use etc
[05:33] <Kilos> i see you are in the netherlands
[05:34] <psydroid> Kilos, yes, I am in the Netherlands
[05:34] <psydroid> I am a student here
[05:34] <Kilos> what are you studying?
[05:35] <psydroid> and	I use K/Ubuntu Linux
[05:35] <psydroid> applied physics and computer engineering
[05:35] <Kilos> ah you will fing a few kubuntu friends here
[05:36] <Kilos> are you interested in joining us once a week so learning LPI
[05:37] <Kilos> *find not fing
[05:38] <psydroid> I would be interested in that, but it depends when you are doing so
[05:38] <psydroid> I am fairly busy during the week
[05:38] <Kilos> at the moment tuesday nights at out 8pm
[05:39] <Kilos> here is the manual we are using
[05:39] <Kilos> Maaz, lpi manual
[05:39] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[05:39] <psydroid> I think it helps that we're in the same timezone
[05:40] <Kilos> we use this channel #linux-studies
[05:40] <psydroid> thanks
[05:40] <psydroid> I'll join it
[05:41] <Kilos> we are looking to grow our group. you can also write an exam after
[05:44] <psydroid> I would like to do that
[05:45] <Kilos> aw i missed neil
[05:47] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn you well?
[05:48] <nlsthzn> Hi uncle Kilos , always well and there?
[05:48] <Kilos> we maintain ty nlsthzn
[05:49] <nlsthzn> Cool... feels like blasphemy logging in here from Windows :p
[05:49] <Kilos> hahaha if you use xchat in winsucks it doesnt look so bad
[05:50] <Kilos> oh my you only got one desktop, that sucks
[05:51] <nlsthzn> Not really... I have to many systems to use all at once... I suck at multitasking (this is a new system just for gaming as the wife was hogging the old gaming rig)... my lappy running 12.04 is behind me but was getting annoying turning around the whole time :p
[05:51] <nlsthzn> I do miss global spell checking allready... windows can't do that yet :(
[05:51] <Kilos> lol
[05:52] <Kilos> speak to billy he will find a way to chrge for it
[05:52] <nlsthzn> Possibly
[05:53] <nlsthzn> ... and I suspect that after 30 days I will have to register to use xchat... just because this is windows :(
[05:53] <Kilos> no its free
[05:53] <Kilos> Maaz, xchat for windows
[05:53] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[05:53] <Kilos> grrr
[05:53] <Kilos> Maaz, google xchat for windows
[05:54] <Maaz> Kilos: "X-Chat 2 for Windows" http://www.silverex.org/ :: "Download - X-Chat 2 for Windows" http://www.silverex.org/download/ :: "XChat for Windows" http://xchat.org/windows/ :: "XChat: Multiplatform Chat Program" http://xchat.org/ :: "XChat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XChat :: "XChat 2 Build Lineup for Windows" http://b0at.tx0.org/xchat/ :: "xchat-wdk - Google Code" http://code.google.com/p/xchat-wdk/ :
[05:54] <nlsthzn> it is free but they often like you to sign up in any case...
[05:54] <Kilos> i will ask ian when he comes on
[05:55] <nlsthzn> I am even going to be using a open source cross platform media player... funny how I find them to be superior to many propriatary offereings
[05:55] <Kilos> im a vlc fan
[05:55] <Kilos> can play anythinjg i have tried here
[05:56] <Kilos> copied videos from boets win7 and they play kiff
[05:56] <nlsthzn> I find the music managment side of it lacking... but no doubting the playing ability... when in doubt use vlc :)
[05:56] <Kilos> and dvs i copied to my external
[05:56] <Kilos> he he
[05:56] <Kilos> dvds
[05:56] <Kilos> 's
[05:56] <Kilos> eish hands and head working at different run levels
[05:57] <nlsthzn> lol....
[06:05] <nlsthzn> Wow... Google is scary... I have Chrome installed on another system (@ work)... just installed it here and every site I go to that I have logged into @ work is ready to log in here allready...
[06:05] <Kilos> wow no checks to see if you the same guy?
[06:09] <Kilos> went to gmail yesterday. quite a bit has changed there too
[06:09] <Kilos> better to just use evolution fo me
[06:11] <nlsthzn> Thing is this was on any site...
[06:11] <nlsthzn> my username and passwords where allready filled in...
[06:11] <Kilos> oh my
[06:11] <nlsthzn> I think I need to go check out some of my privacy settings :/
[06:12] <Kilos> whew
[06:12] <Kilos> lo bmg505
[06:21] <Kilos> eish the master eagle is struggling
[06:23] <Kilos> is frobnicate
[06:23] <Kilos>  for you clever guys?
[06:38] <Kilos> hi chakkie
[06:39] <chakkie> hi  kilos
[06:48] <Kilos> plustwo twice must be four
[06:48] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:49] <Kilos> hi superfly
[06:49] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn
[06:51] <Kilos> oh my, peer doing his thing again
[06:52] <superfly> looks like it
[07:05] <Kilos> dag Kerbero[dsp]
[07:08] <Kilos> wb cocooncrash
[07:18] <Kilos> wb marcog
[07:18] <Kilos> net splitting again
[07:18] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:18] <inetpro> and helo Kilos
[07:19] <Kilos> good morning inetpro  and how is goosie today
[07:19] <inetpro> heh, looks like we have some cell divisions taking place today
[07:20] <Guest22249> hey, I need help please... I have an apt-mirror server which has updated now, with the normal things and debian-installer, running 11.10. I want to net install my computers on the network using a USB, everything work 100%, but there is no ubuntu desktop, i have to ssh in and tasksel multiselect ubuntu-dekstop. How do i get it to install ubuntu desktop? currently using kickstart and preseed together, but it does not install ubuntu desktop. my prese
[07:20] <Guest22249>  ed.cfg tells it to install ubuntu-desktop
[07:22] <inetpro> hmm...
[07:22] <inetpro> been a long time since I did a net install, never did it on Ubuntu before
[07:22] <inetpro> those were the redhat days before fedora
[07:22] <armand-jhb> can i swear? Thats how bad it is
[07:22] <Kilos> does one have terminal access
[07:23] <armand-jhb> unfortunately not
[07:24] <inetpro> armand-jhb: I guess google is your friend
[07:24] <armand-jhb> the whole installation happens, but just not ubuntu-desktop, in ky kickstart file i told it to install ssh-server... so at the end i have to ssh in and tasksel ubuntu-desktop
[07:24]  * inetpro sadly can't help searching and spending time on it now even if it sounds like an interesting exercise
[07:24] <armand-jhb> i tried that.... my last resort was here
[07:25] <armand-jhb> it is quite useful, but hell! Its allot of making sure of things, moving this editing that an all of that
[07:25] <Kilos> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-gui-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty-server.html
[07:26] <Kilos> can that help you armand-jhb
[07:27] <Kilos> inetpro, dont you get cli one servers?
[07:29] <armand-jhb> in other tutorials they said to use @ ubuntu-desktop, but just going to try ubuntu-desktop in my ks file
[07:29] <armand-jhb> kickstart fiel
[07:30] <Kilos> i know nothing about servers but without a terminal have no idea how one can do anything
[07:30] <inetpro> armand-jhb: when you figured it out please give us a short summary on how you did it
[07:30] <armand-jhb> will do
[07:31]  * inetpro unfortunately has some work to do
[07:31] <armand-jhb> cool
[07:33] <nlsthzn> oohh... freenode got ddos'ed silly script kiddies
[07:33] <Kilos> eish
[07:34] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[07:35] <Kilos> lol new face
[07:35] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[07:35] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos
[07:36] <superfly> armand-jhb: there 's an ubuntu-desktop package... if you can set your kickstart script to install ssh-server, why can't you tell it to install ubuntu-desktop?
[07:43] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn
[07:44] <Kilos> hi abantu
[07:47] <nlsthzn_> I wonder if it is netsplits or my connection causing me to be on and off :/
[07:48] <Kilos> christel said there are attacks nlsthzn
[07:48] <Kilos> didnt you see the message
[07:48] <Tonberry> silly scriptkitties
[07:50] <superfly__> eish
[07:50] <Kilos> hi tnt
[07:50] <nlsthzn_> I saw the message, was wondering if that was my reason for issues
[07:50] <Kilos> things bad again today superfly__
[07:51] <Kilos> with a tail
[07:51] <superfly__> yeah, look at my tail!
[07:51] <Kilos> yeah nlsthzn when they have them dos attacks everything crashes
[07:51]  * nlsthzn_ will be offline then until the script kiddies are nuked...
[07:51] <Kilos> oh my he missed that
[07:51] <inetpro_> eish
[07:52] <Kilos> hehe at least i dont get tailed then i would have to look in notes to see how to fix it
[07:53] <Kilos> all that ghost stuff
[07:54] <inetpro> Kilos: you don't like ghost stories?
[07:54] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[07:55] <Kilos> no man its the effort trying to find where i wrote down how to fix it
[07:55] <Kilos> easier to go off and wait for timeout
[07:55] <Kilos> 245secs
[07:58] <armand-jhb> see, i can do that.... thanks, but i thought only tasksel can do that.......
[07:58] <Kilos> question when mavericks support ends in 2 months does that mean one can no longer do sudo apt-get update for a new install
[08:01] <Kilos> thats the important part
[08:01] <Kilos> if everything is rsynced
[08:24] <superfly__> armand-jhb: tasksel is for "tasks" - but tasks are not packages. fortunately there seems to be an "ssh-server" package, and I know there's an ubuntu-desktop package
[08:24] <armand-jhb> it worked! just finished it now
[08:25] <armand-jhb> anyone want the specs of what the little trip was.... i can give you my documentation....
[08:25] <superfly> armand-jhb: have you got a blog?
[08:25] <superfly> blogs are great for stuff like that
[08:26] <armand-jhb> no... i dont.... but maybe i should try invest in that....
[08:26] <armand-jhb> hehehehe
[08:27] <superfly> get a wordpress.com or blogspot.com blog
[08:45] <Kilos> eish peer got me looks like
[08:45] <Kilos> and goosie
[08:45] <Kilos> hehe
[08:45] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:45]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:46] <Kilos> morning maiatoday
[09:14] <Kerbero> o0
[09:14] <Kerbero> weird dat al my irc clients nou fail
[09:19] <Kerbero_timeout> test
[09:21] <inetpro> armand-jhb: if it boils down to it even a plain text pastebin summary at http://paste.ubuntu.com/ will do
[09:35] <inetpro_> yikes!
[11:51] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[11:51]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:52]  * Kilos thinks coffe and a peanut butter sarmie will go down well
[11:54] <Kilos> Maaz, ty for nlsthzn
[11:54] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[11:54] <Kilos> eish
[11:55] <Kilos> Maaz, tea for nlsthzn
[11:55] <Maaz> Come on Neelsie bring your cup with the tea bag in
[11:55] <nlsthzn> lol
[11:55] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[11:55] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[11:55] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[12:18] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos
[12:19] <nuvolari> o/
[12:19] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[12:39] <Kilos> ill be back tonight
[12:39] <Kilos> work hard guys
[15:48] <armand-jhb> go check out armandeg.blogspot.com
[15:53] <Kilos> nice job armand-jhb
[15:53] <Kilos> dont be scarce now
[15:53] <Kilos> become part of this community
[15:55] <Kilos> Maaz, lpi manual
[15:55] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[15:56] <Kilos> armand-jhb, **
[15:56] <Kilos> grrr ^^
[16:00] <Kilos> hi dLimit
[16:01] <dLimit> Sup Kilos
[16:02] <Kilos> quiet mostly
[16:03] <dLimit> Nice eh?
[16:03] <Kilos> are you interested in doing the LPI course that kbmonkey is doing
[16:05] <nuvolari> booyah! a productive day behind the back
[16:05] <nuvolari> hometime
[16:05] <nuvolari> o/
[16:05] <dLimit> Well I'm currently doing Linux+ but so I don't know if LPI would make more difference.
[16:05] <dLimit> Hi nuvolari
[16:05] <Kilos> go safe nuvolari
[16:08] <dLimit> Bye Kilos
 hallo oom kilos
[16:18] <Kilos> hi tnt_
[16:19] <tnt_> how goes?
[16:19] <Kilos> well ty and you tnt_
 almost time for my braai to start
[16:21] <Kilos> yay
[16:21] <Kilos> why you got this mixed up nick
 im on a friend's (tnt) pc
[16:23] <Kilos> aha
[16:26] <Kilos> clever kid this armand, he uses xchat
[16:32] <manexx> hie all, any cpt ladies?
[16:33] <Kilos> grrrr
[17:37] <Kilos> hi drubin you well?
[17:46] <zeref> it's friday :-) :-) :-) :-)
[17:48] <kbmonkey> tgif!
[17:54] <Kilos> yo kbmonkey you poegaai lad
[17:55] <Kilos> is it hard laying macadam
[17:56] <kbmonkey> Kilos!
[17:56] <kbmonkey> why? are laying roads Kilos? :)
[17:57] <Kilos> you said thats what you gonna be doing man
[17:57] <Kilos> got 2 more that wanna join lpi
[17:57] <kbmonkey> good! :)
[17:58] <kbmonkey> I wil need the weekend to catch up with the work
[17:58] <Kilos> that section 101 is 5 mins for you guys
[17:59] <Kilos> but i still doff,  are you starting with a clean hdd and a centos live cd
[17:59] <Kilos> because there lots on partitioning and that comes before installing
[18:01] <kbmonkey> kvm, it runs a virtual computer in a window. I use that
[18:01] <kbmonkey> it thinks it's a computer, but its really not. it doesn't know, he he
[18:02] <Kilos> hehe
[18:02] <kbmonkey> and you?
[18:02] <Kilos> do you understand what i am trying to say
[18:03] <kbmonkey> yes, that we need to partition disks
[18:03] <Kilos> and me what?
[18:04] <Kilos> ya this course is aimed at someone already using linux and then teaching how to fix another one
[18:05] <Kilos> doesnt centos have a live cd that does the partitioning part and gives you the option to make your own
[18:05] <kbmonkey> do you have a spare pc/drive/something to test the partitioning?
[18:06] <Kilos> have the p3 and/or can use its 6g drive as a second drive here
[18:07] <Kilos> but that drive hass xp on so i can find smses on my usb modem
[18:07] <kbmonkey> well, what are you going to partition? a spare drive?
[18:07] <kbmonkey> because if you partition your current drive, you will lose all your data!
[18:08] <Kilos> lol my drive i parted to /, /boot, /home and /storage
[18:08] <Kilos> but from the live cd not cli
[18:09] <kbmonkey> yes centos uses a text installer. it has a 'live' mode, but you install through a text mode
[18:10] <Kilos> aha
[18:10] <kbmonkey> its not any harder as the GUI, the steps are quite clear and understandable
[18:10] <Kilos> now i getting to savvy
[18:10] <kbmonkey> i wonder how large the kvm is
[18:10] <Kilos> yes they look pretty basic cli usage
[18:10] <kbmonkey> i know virtualbox is quite big
[18:11] <kbmonkey> hey, I think you can even install it onto a usb drive, like it was a hard drive.
[18:11] <kbmonkey> must find out...
[18:11] <Kilos> my pc dont run virtual, tried and it didnt work and the fly said its too slow
[18:11] <kbmonkey> a P3? hmm, thats not too bad
[18:12] <Kilos> then i will have to run those commands from live cd
[18:12] <Kilos> in cli
[18:13] <kbmonkey> mine was also slow.
[18:13] <Kilos> but i member i had to mount the drive from livecd once
[18:13] <kbmonkey> I enabled sometthing to fix it
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <Kilos> and you need lotsa ram to virtual
[18:14] <kbmonkey> how much do you have?
[18:15] <Kilos> 640m
[18:18] <kbmonkey> tight
[18:19] <kbmonkey> the 6G has XP you say. I take you use it as well
[18:19] <Kilos> yeah it wouldnt open the virtual drive
[18:20] <Kilos> no its just to check smses on the modem so they dont subscribe me again and steal my airtime
[18:21] <Kilos> i also use the 6g drive to test other releases
[18:21] <kbmonkey> so if you can check your sms's without XP, you won't need it?
[18:21] <Kilos> yeah
[18:21] <kbmonkey> I check and load my sim airtime. must be a way to read texts too.
[18:22] <Kilos> i dunno how to read whats on the modem with ubuntu
[18:22] <Kilos> i can see the storage  but cant open it
[18:23] <kbmonkey> maybe some programmetjie can read the text for you
[18:23] <Kilos> if i go places then computer i see the storage
[18:23] <Kilos> you missed the new guy here today
[18:24] <Kilos> he been doing linux 7 months
[18:24] <Kilos> he is joining lpi
[18:25] <Kilos> quite a clever kid
[18:26] <kbmonkey> ah, you are now a mentor then! he he ;D
[18:27] <Kilos> lol no man i just collect them you gotta teach them
[18:27] <Kilos> here is his blog of what he did today
[18:27] <Kilos> armandeg.blogspot.com
[18:27] <Kilos> he had a prob with a server
[18:28] <Kilos> he didnt even have a blog, the fly got him to start one
[18:32] <kbmonkey> its a good way to jot down what you learn
[18:33] <Kilos> what kinda tool will read a usb modems storage area
[18:33] <Kilos> tried text editor file goodie etc
[18:34] <kbmonkey> I suspect to read that data you need a program
[18:34] <Kilos> wait i ask maaz
[18:35] <Kilos> he dunno gives windows links but the modem installs on windows
[18:35] <kbmonkey> that issues special commands to get the data out
[18:37] <Kilos> i wonder if i can install the modem on wine
[18:38] <Kilos> but wine crashed me once so i purged it
[18:38] <kbmonkey> found something
[18:38] <kbmonkey> no dont do wine
[18:38] <Kilos> ah
[18:38] <kbmonkey> wine is good to interpret software, but not that good the interface hardware
[18:41] <kbmonkey> http://www.techytalk.info/send-receive-sms-using-gsm-modem-phone-ubuntu/
[18:41] <Kilos> sec i go see
[18:47] <Kilos> will try that morrow. i have had gammu and wammu before but my modem is an arab modem so didnt get it working that way
[18:47] <Kilos> maybe this time i will find it in their modem refs
[18:50] <kbmonkey> looking at those connection strings, you can try some of the common ones
[18:50] <kbmonkey> also try find what hardware it is
[18:51] <kbmonkey> for example, vodacome modems are not made by them. huawei makes them and vodacom just rebrands them. -- for example
[18:51] <kbmonkey> perhaps a lsusb -v will give details on the hardware
[18:52] <Kilos> it is a alcatel modem with stc the provider
[18:56] <Kilos> holy moly all that in that little modem
[18:57] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21QTFKNcq
[19:05] <kbmonkey> there is alcatel in that phone list
[19:05] <Kilos> kbmonkey, dont worry bout this, you had a long day/week. rest
[19:06] <kbmonkey> well im going now anyway :)
[19:06] <kbmonkey> being summoned
[19:06] <Kilos> ok sleep tight laddy
[19:06] <Kilos> ty for the help
[19:06] <kbmonkey> yw Kilos
[19:06] <Kilos> i go crash too
[19:06] <kbmonkey> enjoy you sleep!
[19:06] <Kilos> night everyone
[19:06] <Kilos> tywill do
[22:09] <nuvolari> fp


 The chair is barry.
[03:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[03:00] <barry> welcome everyone to this week's asiapac launchpad reviewer's meeting
[03:00] <barry> who's here today?
[03:00] <thumper> me
[03:01] <mwhudson> me
[03:01] <barry> jtv!
[03:01] <jtv> me
[03:01] <thumper> jml: ping
[03:01] <barry> afaict that's everyone who's here on the channel.  should we expect anyone else?
[03:02] <thumper> barry: jml should be here shortly
[03:02] <jml> Hi
[03:02] <barry> jml hi!
[03:03] <mwhudson> jamesh?
[03:04] <barry> jamesh: hi!
[03:04] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[03:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[03:04] <barry> * Roll call
[03:04] <barry>  * Next meeting
[03:04] <barry>  * Action items
[03:04] <barry>  * Queue status
[03:04] <barry>    * we fell behind during the sprint
[03:04] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[03:04] <barry>  * Review process
[03:04] <barry>    * how to transition from on-caller to the next
[03:04] <barry>    * Tool update
[03:04] <barry>  * On-call reviews
[03:04] <barry>    * Keeping the time to around 8 hours
[03:04] <barry> [TOPIC] next meeting
[03:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting
[03:05] <barry> so, today + 1 week?  is this a good time for everyone?
[03:05] <jml> yep
[03:05] <mwhudson> sure
[03:05] <thumper> yep
[03:05] <barry> well, other than jtv ;)
[03:05] <jamesh> yep
[03:06] <barry> great
[03:06] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Action items
[03:06] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Action items
[03:06] <barry> i think all the outstanding action items are for ameu
[03:06] <barry> nothing for asiapac afaict
[03:07] <barry> anybody know of anything i'm missing?
[03:07] <jml> no.
[03:07] <barry> cool
[03:07] <barry> [TOPIC] queue status
[03:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  queue status
[03:07] <barry>    * we fell behind during the sprint
[03:08] <barry> pretty much sums it up.  4 of us were sprinting in florida, so none of us did reviews last week
[03:08] <sinzu1> 6 were sprinting
[03:08] <sinzu1> 4 were on-call
[03:08] <jml> and some were at LCA :)
[03:08] <barry> oh right
[03:08] <jml> I have a question.
[03:08] <jml> Is my queue on PendingReviews still the place to look for reviews that I have to do?
[03:08] <barry> jml: go ahead
[03:09] <thumper> I'd say yes
[03:09] <thumper> (for now)
[03:09] <jml> (excluding on-call day, of course)
[03:09] <barry> jml: yeah, thumper's right.  it's a bit of a mess currently
[03:09]  * barry looks to mwhudson and his PendingReview killing machine
[03:09] <jml> barry: no worry!
[03:10] <mwhudson> barry: we need gmb to finish his bit
[03:10] <barry> jml: to make matters worse, i did a branch assignment after my shift today, so folks do have branches on the PR queue
[03:10] <barry> mwhudson: don't worry, i'll bug him on wednesday :)
[03:11] <jml> barry: move on?
[03:11] <thumper> I do wonder how much work we should put into the PendingReview killing machine
[03:11] <thumper> with the work on LP
[03:11] <thumper> and I'm wondering if there is any way we could sync up more
[03:11] <barry> thumper: ideally maybe the PR killer /is/ LP
[03:11] <mwhudson> thumper: that's a fair point
[03:12] <thumper> particularly I'm thinking of the combination of private remote branches and merge proposals
[03:12] <mwhudson> thumper: it should be fairly easy to switch my plugin over to lp
[03:12] <thumper> we are working on subscriptions for reviews now
[03:12] <mwhudson> (once we have apis, i guess...)
[03:12] <barry> it might be a while before we get the apis to support those though
[03:12] <thumper> anyway, continue
[03:12] <barry> thumper: what do you mean by "sync up more"?
[03:13] <thumper> perhaps just focus our LP work more to help with the review process
[03:13] <thumper> we are doing reviews
[03:13] <thumper> so I'm wondering if we can try to move the review process to LP
[03:13] <thumper> for the listings
[03:13] <thumper> the "what reviews do I need to do"
[03:13] <thumper> type thing
[03:14] <thumper> I'll think some more and get back to y'all later
[03:14] <barry> thumper: yeah, +1 to that.  i do think it's a bit silly to work hard on a separate PR killer unless it's good prototyping for what might eventually get moved to LP
[03:14] <jtv> it'd be great, but having the branches on different projects might complicate things
[03:14] <barry> thumper: please do!
[03:15] <thumper> jtv: I'd suggest that we just use launchpad for branches
[03:15] <thumper> rather than putting them on rosetta or malone
[03:15] <thumper> et al
[03:15] <jamesh> thumper: sqlobject, cscvs, etc?
[03:15] <jtv> then I guess it belongs under the person page
[03:15] <thumper> we could for those too I guess (I had forgotten about them)
[03:16] <spiv> The non-launchpad branches are touched pretty infrequently.
[03:16] <barry> spiv: agreed
[03:16] <thumper> except bzr
[03:16] <jamesh> spiv: PendingReviews currently has branches for zope, launchpad-loggerhead and cscvs
[03:16] <barry> i wouldn't mind special casing them
[03:16] <jml> I suggest a spec!
[03:16] <barry> thumper: but bzr has its own review process
[03:16] <jml> DirtCheapLaunchpadReviewsInLaunchpad
[03:16] <thumper> barry: the launchpad copy of bzr
[03:17] <barry> thumper: ah
[03:17] <jml> because this is prolly out of scope for this meeting
[03:17] <spiv> The launchpad copy of bzr is touched once or twice a month, I think?
[03:17] <thumper> spiv: ack
[03:17] <barry> thumper: do you want to work on a spec, or a wiki page with some thoughts and we can talk about it more on next week or on the m.l.?
[03:18] <mwhudson> if we can get it working just for launchpad landings, it's still a huge win
[03:18] <thumper> barry: action me, and I'll write something somewhere
[03:18] <barry> [ACTION] thumper to write up his thoughts about LP-as-PR-killer
[03:18] <MootBot> ACTION received:  thumper to write up his thoughts about LP-as-PR-killer
[03:18] <barry> anything else on this topic?
[03:18] <barry> 5
[03:18] <jtv> "go thumper"
[03:18] <barry> 4
[03:18] <barry> 3
[03:18]  * mwhudson as forgotten what the topic is :)
[03:18] <barry> 2
[03:18] <barry> 1
[03:18] <jml> Queue Status
[03:18] <thumper> mwhudson: can you ask MootBot
[03:18] <thumper> ?
[03:19] <barry> [TOPIC] mentoring update
[03:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  mentoring update
[03:19] <thumper> MootBot: topic?
[03:19]  * thumper was curious
[03:19] <barry> mwhudson: the topic is "mentoring update" :)
[03:19] <jml> I am on neither end of a mentoring stick
[03:19] <thumper> me neither
[03:19] <barry> jml: we can change that if you want :)
[03:19] <spiv> Ooh, MootBot can talk through barry.  That must have been tricky to code... ;)
[03:19] <barry> spiv: not tricky, but a little, um, uncomfortable
[03:19] <mwhudson> jtv is the only non-full-reviewer in the meeting?
[03:19] <jml> barry: I'm open.
[03:20] <mwhudson> i guess we overlap enough with US people to mentor them
[03:20] <thumper> who needs reviewing?
[03:20] <barry> i think i'm looking for a mentor for schwuk
[03:21] <thumper> barry: you probably want someone closer to him than all us
[03:21] <barry> right now all the mentorees are in europe: danilo, allenap, bigjools
[03:21] <barry> and jtv
[03:22] <jtv> "somewhere inbetween"
[03:22] <thumper> who is in asiapac who isn't a reviewer right now?
[03:22] <jtv> thumper: me
[03:22] <thumper> jtv: you're in the middle, so count as a reviewer
[03:22] <barry> jtv: jamesh is your mentor right?
[03:22] <thumper> I was meaning "not in training" even
[03:22] <jtv> barry: right
[03:23] <jtv> thumper: I meant geographically really, but anyway, never mind me then.  :-)
[03:23] <jml> thumper: no one, afaik.
[03:23] <jamesh> I think jtv's reviews have been great, so I'd be happy for him to graduate
[03:23] <jtv> yay!
[03:23] <barry> yay!
[03:23] <thumper> jtv: you are in asiapac
[03:23] <jml> thumper: in fact, we are over-blessed with reviewers, since spiv isn't even on the LP team :)
[03:23] <thumper> jtv: congratulations on your promotion
[03:23] <thumper> :)
[03:23] <jtv> thanks!
[03:23] <sinzu1> \0/
[03:24] <barry> jtv: congrats!  i will make it official after this meeting
[03:24] <barry> i just looked on directory.c.c and i think all of asiapac are now reviewers
[03:24] <thumper> go asiapac!
[03:25] <barry> i think we may soon have some americans (in the broad sense) coming on line soon for reviewing, so there may be enough overlap for y'all to mentor
[03:25] <barry> maybe in a cycle or two
[03:25] <mwhudson> it's probably a /little bit/ soon to get Aaron on the team :)
[03:26] <thumper> just a little
[03:26] <barry> i'll ask schwuk what he thinks about having an asiapac mentor.  if he's okay with it and one of y'all is too, then that's fine with me
[03:27] <barry> anyway...
[03:27] <mwhudson> i'm not sure it's a good idea, unless he keeps strange work hours
[03:27]  * thumper agrees with mwhudson
[03:27] <barry> mwhudson: you're probably right.  maybe we just have to wait until we get some ameu slots open then
[03:27] <barry> such is life
[03:28] <barry> anything else on this topic?
[03:28] <barry> 5
[03:28] <barry> 4
[03:28] <jml> not from such as I!
[03:28] <barry> 3
[03:28] <barry> 2
[03:28] <barry> 1
[03:28] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Review process
[03:28] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Review process
[03:28] <barry> there's probably not much to say about the tool, right?
[03:29] <barry> (that we haven't already said)
[03:29] <jtv> except it stopped working for me :(
[03:29] <barry> jtv: you mean the lpreview plugin?
[03:29] <jtv> barry: right
[03:29] <mwhudson> well, i'm here to hear the comments now, i guess
[03:29] <jtv> but the same happened to pqm-submit, so it may be my system.
[03:29]  * barry will be using it tomorrow :)
[03:29] <jml> mwhudson: has abentley talked to you about it?
[03:30] <jamesh> jtv: for sending email, or other?
[03:30] <jtv> jamesh: sending email
[03:30] <sinzui> jtv: did you mail setting change?
[03:30] <mwhudson> jml: he sent me a couple of bundles to fix some option texts
[03:30] <jtv> sinzui: not that I _know_
[03:30] <mwhudson> jml: but nothing very significant
[03:30] <jamesh> jtv: bzr-pqm-0.92 should be able to send through Canonical's SMTP server if you want to try that
[03:30] <mwhudson> jtv: review-submit uses the stdlib's smtplib module
[03:31] <jtv> jamesh: I already use that server.  Maybe that's the problem: it's certificate expired
[03:31] <jtv> s/it's/its/
[03:32] <jamesh> mwhudson: so does bzr-pqm, but the Canonical server is pretty picky about the sequence of commands
[03:32] <jamesh> ehlo, starttls, ehlo, auth, then send message using an @canonical.com address
[03:32] <jtv> jamesh: sounds like it... my mail client routinely claims it's "not an IMAP4 server"
[03:32] <jtv> jamesh: scratch that, my coffee's still too hot for thought
[03:33] <mwhudson> jamesh: still, no idea why it would _stop_ working if it once did
[03:33] <mwhudson> anyway, off topic
[03:34] <barry> moving on?
[03:34] <jtv> moving on
[03:34] <barry>    * how to transition from on-caller to the next
[03:34] <barry> so i'm still unsure of the best way to transition to the next on-caller.  i just did as many reviews as i could, then assigned all the general branches to people
[03:35] <jml> barry: what are the issues?
[03:35] <barry> but what if people show up looking for on-call reviews and their branches are sitting in someone else's queue?
[03:35] <barry> is that a problem?
[03:35] <thumper> the reviewer should get to them within 24 hours
[03:35] <mwhudson> barry: they check that the assigned reviewer hasn't started them and whip them out of the queue?
[03:36] <jml> barry: as in, someone asked for an on-call review and the on-caller passed the buck?
[03:36] <barry> jml: yeah.  i did that to one of intellectronica's branches today.  i just couldn't get to it
[03:37] <barry> mwhudson: yeah i guess so.  if the reviewer is unresponsive though (because of timezones or whatever) it makes things tricky
[03:37] <jamesh> if the branch isn't on the top of someone else's queue, maybe it should be fair game
[03:37] <jml> barry: I reckon just pass the buck and send them a note.
[03:37] <jml> barry: the burden still lies with the branch author
[03:37] <jamesh> that said, we don't really distinguish between "hasn't been looked at yet", and "developer put branch back into needs-review state"
[03:37] <jamesh> so it is difficult to say what the top of someone's queue is
[03:38] <barry> jamesh: maybe we need "started" and "needs-further-review" states?
[03:38] <jml> no we don't!
[03:38] <thumper> barry: people don't edit the wiki now
[03:38] <mwhudson> barry: going to sleep with a half-done review sounds like a bad idea
[03:38] <thumper> barry: it'll be worse if you make them do it more
[03:38] <jml> we need to KISS until it's part of Launchpad
[03:38] <jtv> mwhudson: might be lunch though
[03:38] <jamesh> I tend to agree with jml here
[03:38] <jml> then we can over-engineer it for fun _and_ profit :)
[03:39] <barry> yeah, okay.  if you guys say "it's not a problem" then i'll go to sleep and forget i ever mentioned it :)
[03:40] <barry> just take notes if you find lines getting crossed and we'll figure out how to fix it when it happens
[03:40] <mwhudson> okidoke
[03:40] <barry> cool.  moving on...
[03:41] <barry> [TOPIC]  * On-call reviews
[03:41] <MootBot> New Topic:   * On-call reviews
[03:41] <barry>    * Keeping the time to around 8 hours
[03:41] <barry> sinzui: you had some concerns about exceeding 8 hours on reviews.  do you want a few minutes to talk about it here?
[03:42] <sinzui> barry: I sent an email outlining my concerns. I have nothing to add right now
[03:42] <barry> sinzui: cool.
[03:42] <barry> that's all i have.  we have 3 more minutes for any other topic not on the agenda
[03:42] <mwhudson> i should get myself an on-call slot
[03:42] <barry> open floor
[03:43] <barry> mwhudson: +1
[03:43] <mwhudson> thursdays again looks like a reasonable choice
[03:43] <barry> mwhudson: thursday asiapac slot?
[03:44] <mwhudson> barry: yep
[03:44] <mwhudson> might be cheeky and not spend all day this week on it though
[03:44] <mwhudson> (i'm off tomorrow)
[03:45] <barry> mwhudson: np.  btw, hope the move went smoothly!
[03:45] <mwhudson> barry: seems to be going ok so far :)
[03:45] <barry> mwhudson: can you edit OnCallReviewers?
[03:45] <mwhudson> barry: sure
[03:45] <barry> thanks
[03:45] <barry> well, we're out of time, so...
[03:45] <barry> #endmeeting
[03:45] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 03:45.
[03:45] <barry> thanks everyone and good night!
[03:45] <jtv> barry: thank you, nice to see you again.  :-)
[03:46] <thumper> barry: thanks
[03:46] <barry> you too, and congrats jtv
[03:46] <jml> barry: g'night


[00:00] <oobe>  i didnt write this script but was looking for somthing just like it
[00:00] <oobe> its for people who have tonnes of tveps and movies downloaded from internet who want accurate metadata
[00:00] <oobe> it can work with unorganised mess of videos but why bother
[00:01] <oobe> it will make screenshots but thats not really the purpose
[00:02] <oobe> there is someone who responded to my thread with a link to a script that only makes screenshots
[00:02] <oobe> you could try and check that out
[00:02] <oobe> probably less complicated
[03:53] <captmo> does anyone here have any experience with the ati tv wonder ve?
[03:54] <captmo> i was able to get it to work in a standalone version of mythbuntu but when i installed the control centre on my ubuntu build it now will not put out any sound
[07:23] <benzon> Okay here we go just updated the kernal thing there was a flaw there but now i got another wird problem now i can se the channels but they freeze up
[07:43] <Decepticon> why wont mythbuntu come out?
[07:44] <benzon> Decepticon, what do you meen?
[07:45] <Decepticon> 8.10
[07:46] <benzon> because they have to wait for the final ubuntu release
[07:46] <benzon> and then incorperate the mythtv platform and make sure its good, before they release a stabel 8.10
[07:47] <Decepticon> is there some deadline
[07:48] <Decepticon> or its just work at your own pace at mythbuntu
[07:48] <Decepticon> ive been refreshing like every second
[07:48] <benzon> that i dont know
[07:49] <benzon> but i dont think they wil make the 8.10 release today but to be honest they can suprise i still need to fix a stupid audio problem sad enuf
[07:51] <Decepticon> man
[07:51] <Decepticon> that sucks
[07:57] <hads> Ubuntu doesn't get released at 00:00:01 on release day.
[07:59] <benzon> precise its not even released yet :)
[08:03] <benzon> Ill try again then, my MSI K9AGM2-FIH - got a Realtek HD Audio Build in soundcard, the chip is Realtek ALC888 - cant get sound of it is there a known problem with this or is there a way to fix it
[08:26] <oobe> will svn fixes still be available for 8.04 when 8.10 comes out as 8.04 is LTS
[08:38] <benzon> sad that i cant get it to work add all have to go back to the sucky Vista MCE
[08:54] <mrmowgli> anyone know the voodoo to get the hauppage remote control to work for a wintv hvr 1600?
[08:54] <mrmowgli> or do I have to set it up from scratch?
[08:55] <oobe> benzon, this link says it works http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/no-sound-w-alsa-mcp61alc888-529206/ in later versions of alsa
[08:55] <benzon> just updatet alsa
[08:55] <oobe> benzon, you could perhaps try compiling the newer alsa
[08:56] <oobe> i think its worth a try
[08:56] <benzon> no change just alot of buffer overrun
[08:56] <oobe> oh you already compiled latest alsa?
[08:56] <benzon> ye :(
[08:56] <benzon> still just problems, and the HDMI out on my gfx aint found :(
[08:56] <benzon> XML Grapper dossent grap the danish stuff either, just a lot of problems
[08:57] <oobe> HDMI rarely works in xorg
[08:57] <mrmowgli> i'm using HDMI right now
[08:57] <oobe> you can use HDMI > DVI cable
[08:57] <oobe> you just said you it aint found
[08:57] <benzon> true but there is only vga out and HDMI out on the build in gfx card :(
[08:58] <mrmowgli> what graphics card are you using?
[08:58] <benzon> and the picture is crappy, and its normaly not that bad
[08:59] <benzon> bump ehm some ati card cant find the name right now ofc
[08:59] <mrmowgli> lspci in a teminal
[08:59] <benzon> x1200
[09:01] <benzon> and using the restricted driver
[09:01] <mrmowgli> hrmmm mine's working but my xorg.conf doesn't have anything special in it.  I only have that connected however so it was detected on boot
[09:01] <mrmowgli> your trying to use both connections?
[09:02] <benzon> nope right now only the vga connection
[09:02] <benzon> since i wanted to make the bacis configuring before hooking it up to the tv
[09:02] <mrmowgli> try just booting with only the HDMI connected
[09:03] <oobe> this thread has a noob with the same problem same card http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=550753&page=11 he has seemed to solve it by compiling alsa
[09:03] <benzon> and normaly i get a clear picture with my Hauppauge WinTV-PVR500
[09:03] <oobe> read it carefully you will figure it out
[09:03] <benzon> right now its just rly corny
[09:04] <mrmowgli> I have an older ATI, but when I tried getting it working with a dual head configuration it wouldn't take.  Just connecting HDMI worked fine
[09:04] <mrmowgli> did you run alsaconf?
[09:05] <benzon> ill try and do a recompile like oobe asked for and linked to :)
[09:05] <benzon> but still dossent change the qual of the video
[09:06] <mrmowgli> benzon: sometimes the quality is affected by the physical connectors, have you reseated everything and kept the cables away from power cords etc?
[09:06] <benzon> yep its as fare as it can get from power cords so on
[09:09] <benzon> even got a signal amplifier just 1 meter or so from the computer
[09:09] <mrmowgli> and everything is properly grounded?
[09:10] <benzon> yep in vista the image is rly good thats the wird part
[09:10] <mrmowgli> what's wrong with your image?
[09:11] <mrmowgli> jittery with lots of aliasing?
[09:14] <benzon> just rly rly ehm grained
[09:14] <benzon> ye like you sai
[09:14] <benzon> said
[09:15] <mrmowgli> well that could just be the mythbuntu playback
[09:15] <mrmowgli> the capture is probably working just fine
[09:16] <mrmowgli> I'm running a huappauge 1600 and the playback isn't so nice, but if you open one of the captures with VLC and set the deinterlace to blend it looks fine
[09:16] <mrmowgli> I believe it's just the deinterlacinf filter that makes it look so bad
[09:16] <mrmowgli> de-interlacing
[09:17] <mrmowgli> Not sure where you set that in the Mythbuntu settings but I think you can change them
[09:19] <benzon> ill make a try
[09:37] <mrmowgli> Does anyone have a huappauge with a working remote control?
[09:42] <benzon> got the realtake linux driver packet lets se how that works out :D
[09:43] <Seeker`> is it possible to get the "watch recordings" menu to give you three menus, one to select category, the other to select the program, and the third to select the episode of that program
[09:43] <mrmowgli> Seeker`: I don't know if it can do that but there are filters
[09:44] <mrmowgli> m button on that screen
[09:44] <Seeker`> I know you can set it to ask you which category to browse when you enter the "watch recordings" option, but I want it to actually be part of the main screen
[09:44] <mrmowgli> no idea
[09:45] <benzon> brb reboot time
[09:55] <benzon> damn just made a lot of errors and screwed up some usb things and it says something with fuse cant start
[09:56] <benzon> it says the right codec tho but cant select it in the sound manager thingy jawww
[09:58] <mrmowgli> have you run aslaconf?
[10:01] <mrmowgli> or if you run dmesg, it should tell you what's going on
[16:14] <myth> hello all, I need some help getting the front end to detect the backend
[16:15] <myth> I launch the frontend and I get a No UPnP found
[16:15] <myth> when I go through the config I get a cannot connect to database error
[16:15] <myth> I check and the backend and mysql are running
[18:29] <r3z> Would their be a direct upgrade path from the RC to the released build of 8.10?
[18:30] <tgm4883_laptop> r3z, yes
[18:30] <tgm4883_laptop> apt-get upgrade
[18:30] <r3z> Ok.
[18:30] <r3z> I have been using mythdora and a yum upgrade is not recommended.
[18:30] <r3z> I wanted to see if this was the case with mythbuntu.
[18:31] <tgm4883_laptop> r3z, well we don't recommend a yum upgrade either ;)
[18:31]  * r3z peers at tgm4883_laptop
[18:31] <r3z> ::snicker::
[18:37] <Decepticon> when will they release 8.10 mythbuntu
[18:39] <tgm4883_laptop> Decepticon, when it's ready
[18:40] <Decepticon> it will be ready when it will be ready kind of deal
[18:41] <tgm4883_laptop> we are just waiting on mirrors to sync up
[18:41] <Decepticon> nice
[18:43] <r3z> So its ready just not deliverable yet?
[18:43] <r3z> ;)
[18:44] <tgm4883_laptop> allegedly
[21:12] <Wicked> hello all. is mythtbuntu 8.10 out?
[21:13] <Wicked> im dling kubuntu 8.10 now and am wondering if ill be able to install mythbuntu-control-center...im hoping to have my pvr up by 9pm est tonight so i can start recording my shows.
[21:14] <MythbuntuGuest99> Hello?
[21:14] <MythbuntuGuest99> When is going to be released mythbuntu 8.10?
[21:19] <superm1> today or tomorrow
[21:19] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest99,
[21:19] <superm1> depends on when all the mirrors get it synched
[21:20] <balz> is it safe to upgrade from hardy to intrepid?
[21:20] <superm1> read the release notes first to make sure none of the cases affect you (say nvidia 96 or 71) and then you can determine
[21:21] <superm1> for most people it should be
[21:22] <balz> superm1:  okay thanks.  where might i find the release notes?
[21:23] <Wicked> so the new mythtbuntu should be out in the next 24 hours?
[21:23] <superm1> yeah Wicked
[21:23] <Wicked> awesome.
[21:24] <superm1> http://mythbuntu.org/8.10/release_notes, there is a link to the mainline ubuntu release notes too
[21:24] <Wicked> i wish 8.10 dropped on tues or wed
[21:24] <superm1> no corner cases are identified specific to mythbuntu yet, so that's why it's emptyish right now
[21:27] <balz> superm1 i'm getting a "page not found" page
[21:28] <Wicked> yea connection reset
[21:28] <superm1> balz, oh that's interesting. wonder if that page is still locked down until release
[21:28] <Wicked> now it loaded.
[21:28] <superm1> there is some load on the server right now, so that's probably all it was
[21:28] <balz> superm1:  it's not a big deal anyway. i'll rpobably end up waiting a week or so
[21:28] <balz> yeah that makes sense too
[21:29] <balz> got it
[21:30] <KjetilK> Has anybody gotten two remotes and an IRblaster working with lirc at the same time?
[21:30] <KjetilK> does it require running three lircd instances?
[21:31] <superm1> KjetilK, it should need 2-3 lirc instances
[21:31] <superm1> depending on the hardware you are using
[21:31] <KjetilK> superm1: I have an MS MCE USB thingie
[21:32] <superm1> KjetilK, you can do an ir blaster and remote on the same lirc instance
[21:32] <superm1> if both remotes use that same receiver you can do it all on the same lirc instance
[21:32] <KjetilK> and a iMon in the box that controls the volume knob
[21:32] <KjetilK> ok
[21:33] <KjetilK> I allready run two lirc daemons, one for the iMon volume knob (an Antec Fusion v1 chassis), and one for the MCEUSB
[21:33] <superm1> then that's all you need
[21:34] <KjetilK> it works great, but I did quite a lot of hacking in the init.d that was in mythbuntu 7.10, now the system is a 8.04
[21:34] <KjetilK> superm1: OK, I tried running:
[21:35] <KjetilK> root@tigger:/etc/lirc# irsend SET_TRANSMITTERS 1
[21:35] <KjetilK> irsend: command failed: SET_TRANSMITTERS 1
[21:35] <KjetilK> irsend: hardware does not support sending
[21:35] <KjetilK> that's why I figured I might need another instance...
[21:35] <KjetilK> irsend LIST mceusb ""
[21:35] <KjetilK> lists the things I want
[21:36] <KjetilK> actually, I only need the power button, all I want to do is turn the TV on and off... :-)
[21:36] <superm1> mceusb or mceusb2?
[21:36] <KjetilK> errr
[21:36] <balz> wait, you can caputre codes from other remotes and control appliances with the IR blaster?
[21:36] <balz> whaaaaaaat?
[21:37] <superm1> yup
[21:37] <balz> the things you learn =)
[21:37] <KjetilK> superm1: the kernel module is lirc_mceusb2
[21:38] <KjetilK> balz: yup, most people use it to control a set-top-box
[21:38] <balz> KjetilK:  riiiigiht.... i knew that, it just never crossed my mind that I could roll all my remotes into one
[21:38] <superm1> KjetilK, i dont think you need to use SET_TRANSMITTERS
[21:38] <superm1> just transmit
[21:38] <superm1> mceusb2 only supports one transmitter anyway
[21:39] <KjetilK> ok
[21:39] <balz> so wait. I have 1 remote for myth (MCEUSB), 1 remote to control the volume (i use a hifi stereo set for sound), and 1 remote to turn the tv on and off ... i could roll all of those into one?
[21:39] <superm1> well the mceusb2 remote you have actually can learn those buttons
[21:39] <superm1> for vol and power
[21:39] <superm1> and you wouldn't need an ir blaster
[21:40] <superm1> do you still have the manual for your mceusb2?
[21:40] <KjetilK> hmmm, so the "TV Power" button I have on my remote can be used to turn the TV on and off directly?
[21:41] <hads> oem.microsoft.com/static/Worldwide/file/MCE_Remote_Manual.pdf
[21:41] <superm1> yes it can
[21:41] <KjetilK> cool, perhaps I don't need the irblaster either :-)
[21:41] <superm1> the only 3 buttons that are programmable are vol+/vol-/tv power
[21:41] <superm1> thanks hads
[21:41] <KjetilK> also, it didn't seem to work:
[21:41] <KjetilK> # irsend SEND_ONCE mceusb Power
[21:41] <KjetilK> irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE mceusb Power
[21:41] <KjetilK> irsend: hardware does not support sending
[21:42] <superm1> KjetilK, try specifying the device you are sending
[21:42] <superm1> irsend can be picky, especially when you've got a few lirc instances dangling around
[21:42] <balz> superm1:  i don't think i do.
[21:42] <superm1> balz, hads posted it above
[21:42] <balz> oh right!
[21:43] <KjetilK> superm1: OK, I'll try the MS manual first
[21:49] <balz> how do i know if i have the MCEUSB remote or the MCEUSB2 remote?
[21:50] <hads> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote
[21:51] <KjetilK> woooohoooo, it worked great!
[21:52] <KjetilK> thanks a lot, superm1!
[21:52] <KjetilK> and thanks to hads for posting the link to the manual!
[21:52] <hads> :)
[21:57] <balz> win!  i have mceusb2!  thanks hads
[22:32] <MythbuntuGuest94> hello guys
[22:33] <MythbuntuGuest94> I have been trying the last few weeks to get LinuxMCE working with no luck as my hardware is to new.. but that is not why I am here
[22:33] <MythbuntuGuest94> So I am looking into mythbuntu as it is alot newer and will support all my hardware..
[22:34] <MythbuntuGuest94> the main question that I cant tget on google is, is there a way that I can get mythtv to contral my TV and Cable box
[22:34] <MythbuntuGuest94> ?
[22:35] <MythbuntuGuest94> as I am trying to get all this remotes out of my room
[22:35] <MythbuntuGuest94> I got myself an usbird
[22:45] <KjetilK> MythbuntuGuest94: this should get you started: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_an_IR_Blaster_with_MythTV
[22:45]  * KjetilK runs off to bed though :-)
[23:08] <Seeker`> how can I get it to list all unwatched recordings in the "watch list"
[23:19] <Seeker`> currently it will only display one episode from each series
[23:21] <fastie82> hi guys
[23:21] <fastie82> Can I get Mythbunto to control my cable box and tv?
[23:21] <fastie82> so that I only have one remote
[23:22] <fastie82> I did read something in the documentation about ir sending but there is not much info and google is not much better
[23:23] <gregL_> fastie82: Yes but you will have to use LIRC and a blaster or firewire to switch channels..
[23:24] <hads> LIRC if you're in New Zealand. We don't have firewire STBs
[23:24] <hads> The MS MCE remote is good if you can find it and comes with a blaster.
[23:24] <fastie82> yes I get that I need to LIRC but there any steps on how to do this?
[23:25] <fastie82> I got my self a usbird from the local shop that they normaly us for mobile phones
[23:25] <fastie82> from what I read this would do the job
[23:25] <fastie82> ??
[23:26] <gregL_> Most any thing will work if you can find out how to implement it..
[23:27] <gregL_> Search the web is the best way..
[23:27] <fastie82> true, that is why I am here see if any of you guys can help me in the right direction?
[23:27] <hads> Basically all you need is a script which does an `irsend SEND_ONCE $REMOTE_NAME $DIGIT`
[23:29] <fastie82> that is as far as I can make out yes but don't know much more than that
[23:29] <gregL_> What is the make and model of the device?
[23:30] <fastie82> the usbird or the sky box?
[23:32] <gregL_> I did a search using those two words and nothing,so i would guess noone use's it...
[23:33] <fastie82> ok I am so confused now.. I see you need to add the codes in to the lird.conf file.. but how does it know what device need to be control as both have 1 2 3 4 enc
[23:35] <fastie82> do I need to setup a key what I need to press with it or will it switch it.
[23:35] <gregL_> Did you check and see if it's loaded?
[23:36] <fastie82> I know when I was in the uk they sky+ remotes had the option to control you tv and when you want to control your tv you need to press the tv button and when you wanted to control the skybox you needed to press the sky button first does it work on the same prin?
[23:37] <hads> Are you in New Zealand?
[23:37] <fastie82> yes I don;t have a problem with the usbird
[23:37] <fastie82> yes I am
[23:37] <hads> What type of Sky box do you have?
[23:37] <fastie82> I just need to get my head around who to send command to the box
[23:38] <fastie82> well I have the new sky myskyhdi box
[23:38] <hads> I don't know what type of box that is
[23:39] <hads> Perhaps you should ask the mythtvnz mailing list
[23:39] <fastie82> Well what I can find out I think it is a pace box.. the same as the foxtel box in AUS
[23:40] <hads> http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/pace/
[23:41] <hads> RC30 is common here
[23:41] <fastie82> o ok..
[23:41] <Seeker`> anyone able to tell me how to chage the watch list to show all recordings not yet watched instead of just 1 per series?
[23:41] <fastie82> thanks. so do I add it to my current conf file?
[23:42] <hads> Seeker`: Don't believe you can
[23:42] <fastie82> and do I need to program a key on the remote for the device?
[23:43] <fastie82> cause how do I tell it I want to watch channel 072
[23:43] <fastie82> cause I thing if I just press 072 it will change my tv card and not the sky box
[23:43] <hads> You setup a channel change script in mythtv and then mythvbackend tells your STB to change channels
[23:45] <fastie82> where can I find sampel scrips.. sorry I am a bit thik...
[23:45] <hads> Perhaps you should ask the mythtvnz mailing list
[23:45] <fastie82> ok I will send them a mail not..
[23:45] <fastie82> now even
[23:45] <fastie82> thanks for your help hads
[23:46] <Seeker`> hads: :(
[23:46] <hads> fastie82: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=mythtv+channel+change+script
[23:47] <fastie82> sweet thanks again
[23:50] <r3z> tgm4883 mirrors updated yet?
[23:50] <Seeker`> hads: that makes the watch list much less useful than I thought it would be