[00:40] <javierbuilder1> hello, i have  write my qml interfaces, how build one project with utouch in qtcreator and  include my UIs ?
[01:01] <Illegal0pcode> Is the CM10.1 base at M1 or is it uptodate.
[01:22] <javierbuilder1> hello
[01:23] <javierbuilder1> how can play video in qml?
[01:23] <javierbuilder1> utouch have component for videos?
[01:32] <kostkon> javierbuilder1, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtmultimedia/multimediaoverview.html
[01:58] <javierbuilder1> kostkon,  thanks., i have one question i build much ui interfaces write in qml , how add to my project in ubuntu qtcreator. ? i need create one simple application  or one tabbed ui ?
[03:24] <javierbuilder1>  i have one question i build much ui interfaces write in qml , how add to my project in ubuntu qtcreator. ? i need create one simple application  or one tabbed ui ?
[03:28] <bzoltan1> javierbuilder1:  I would go with the simple application template. Just create a new simple application, see what it creates and merge your qml app to it. Feel free to ping me if you have any problem :)
[03:36] <javierbuilder1> bzoltan1, thanks. i need  for tomorrow maybe in 8 hours  can have useable my application..
[04:00] <javierbuilder1> i need use menu similar at mobile smartphone  in the footer.. example on this  ?
[04:18] <javierbuilder1> GStreamer; Unable to play - "file:///home/kiosco1/video/home/hackvier/dwhelper/barilochenieve.mp4"  Error No URI set
[04:27] <javierbuilder1> ping bzoltan1
[04:27] <bzoltan1> javierbuilder1:  shoot
[04:29] <javierbuilder1> toolbar menu in footer similar to smartphone
[04:29] <javierbuilder1> with wipe gesture
[04:29] <javierbuilder1> examples please
[04:30] <bzoltan1> javierbuilder1:  I am not sure what you mean.
[04:45] <javierbuilder1> mmm this image can help https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=meego+menu+toolbar&client=ubuntu&hs=b57&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=4pO-UcHROYXUrgHN74E4&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=941&bih=781#facrc=_&imgrc=Dz1__qamruJ5hM%3A%3BBk-7iO2YUJMBzM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimg4.hostingpics.net%252Fpics%252F519347Capture8.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fforum.meego.com%252Fshowthread.php%253Ft%253D3081%3B481%3B800
[05:05] <javierbuilder1> GStreamer; Unable to play
[05:23] <javierbuilder1> how use gestures in utouch ?
[05:39] <mtivi> Hello, I have a question about how to install last dayly ubuntu-touch build. Here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install I read that i need 2 files: raring-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip and raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip . But I can't see any *phablet*.zip
[05:39] <DrCode> hi all
[05:39] <DrCode> is it possible to multiboot ubuntu tuch and android in nexus 7?
[05:45] <mtivi> hello, DrCode. I Read in forum that dualboot doesn't work now.
[05:47] <DrCode> wow, I see
[05:47] <DrCode> it was possible
[05:51] <javierbuilder1> mtivi i need see one example application for touch  ? you know where i can see code of touch application?
[06:16] <mtivi> javierbuilder1, try to search here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <dholbach> dpm, sergiusens, rsalveti, lool, mhall119: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42657971
[08:05] <dholbach> for some reason I couldn't post on friday
[08:05] <dholbach> maybe we could try to answer a bunch more questions for some time mid-week?
[08:11]  * dpm looks
[08:13] <dpm> dholbach, sounds good. Let me know if I can help with any new questions
[08:13] <dholbach> there are still loads of questions unanswered :)
[08:13] <dholbach> I'll go in there and try to answer a few of them myself
[08:15] <mmrazik> popey: can you help me with stock-ticker-mobile-app lp setup? Its broken. I need the trunk to live in lp:~stock-ticker-dev/stock-ticker-mobile-app/trunk and not lp:~robertsteckroth/stock-ticker-mobile-app/trunk
[08:15] <mmrazik> I need to move the branch and change it in the trunk series in launchpad
[08:15] <mmrazik> I'm getting launchpad errors/mails because of this
[08:17] <mmrazik> the other option is to remove it from autolanding. I tcan't work in this setup anyway
[08:22] <dpm> dholbach, where should I look for the unanswered questions? In the google doc?
[08:22] <dpm> or in the forum post?
[08:22] <dholbach> the google doc spreadsheet - yep
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Eat Your Vegetables Day!  I'll take care of that! ;-)
[08:41] <JamesTait> dholbach, awesome - do you think you could talk to my boys as well? ;)
[08:41] <timp> JamesTait: bad idea, having an eat your vegetables day implies that you don't have to eat them on all the other days
[08:42] <dholbach> JamesTait, you might want to ask somebody a bit more moderate to take care of the task ;-)
[08:44] <JamesTait> dholbach, timp, to be completely fair, they're actually not that bad with their veggies - and I don't just mean they get lots of potatoes by way of eating crisps. ;)
[08:44] <dholbach> haha
[08:44] <diwic> this conversation makes me hungry.
[08:44] <dholbach> yeah! :)
[08:44]  * JamesTait hands diwic a carrot.
[08:45] <diwic> JamesTait, thanks :-) I actually eat a lot of carrots
[08:48] <diwic> easy to go pick in the fridge
[08:48] <timp> JamesTait: hmm, in Netherlands we don't consider potatoes as veggies, and each "proper" Dutch dinner should consist of meat, potatoes, and veggies
[08:48] <timp> boiled potatoes even :s
[08:49] <JamesTait> timp, no, technically I think potatoes would be classified as tubers.
[08:50] <JamesTait> timp, but in simplistic terms, for my boys' sake, "they grow in the ground and they're not worms, so they're probably vegetables." :-P
[09:01] <popey> mmrazik: sure.
[09:01] <mmrazik> thanks
[09:04] <popey> mmrazik: do you need to disable autolanding in the meantime until we move the code?
[09:05] <popey> tvoss: about?
[09:07] <mmrazik> popey: not really. I would only disable it if this state takes too long to get rid of the failure e-mails
[09:08] <popey> ok, will get it sorted today
[09:08] <popey> thanks for letting me know
[09:09] <tvoss> popey, yup :)
[09:09]  * popey spins up the hangout-o-tron
[09:09] <tvoss> popey, lost on a vt right now :)
[09:09] <popey> k
[09:09] <tvoss> popey, mind postponing until I have UI again, not sure lynx can do hangouts ;)
[09:09] <popey> lol, sure
[09:09]  * popey unmutes his music again
[09:17] <popey> hi penk_! - loving seeing your posts about the handwriting recognition
[09:18] <penk_> popey: yes, I already asked help from tmoenicke to check the revision # http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~penk/phablet-extras/maliit-plugins-qml-candidates/revision/2135
[09:19] <penk_> popey: hope we can get merge that patch, then I can continue with qtdeclarative5-zinnia-plugin package, as well as Writing.qml
[09:39] <Mingting> Hello
[09:39] <Mingting> I am new to Ubuntu Touch
[09:40] <Mingting> I want to porting Ubuntu Touch to One Development Device.
[09:49] <mzanetti> om26er: ping
[09:49] <om26er> mzanetti, hey!
[09:49] <mzanetti> om26er: hi. how is it going?
[09:49] <om26er> mzanetti, its going great, how about you ?
[09:50] <mzanetti> om26er: fine here too... feeling a bit monday'ish :D
[09:50] <om26er> mzanetti, monday is fun though :p
[09:50] <mzanetti> om26er: have you ever used the "listen to signals" or "call a Qt slot" features from autopilot?
[09:51] <om26er> mzanetti, no, I have not used it, I did see that in one of the branches a while back it was being used
[09:51] <mzanetti> om26er: I have absolutely no clue how that work or should be used.
[09:51] <popey> Mingting: seen the porting guide?
[09:52] <popey> ogra_: will we need to update the porting guide for post-container-flip world?
[09:52] <mzanetti> om26er: but autopilot-qt lacks tests for this feature and there's a blueprint saying I should write some for that
[09:52] <om26er> mzanetti, I think thomi had a branch that was using it, not sure which. but it was pretty early when I started using autopilot
[09:52] <Mingting> Yes, i follow the porting guide.
[09:52] <mzanetti> om26er: do you think you could help me out with that? i.e. preparing a small example that uses that
[09:53] <Mingting> But, cm don't support my device. and, i have the whole source code about my device.
[09:53] <Mingting> i will try to merge the ubuntu's change to my source tree.
[09:53] <om26er> mzanetti, I would help if I could but I am not sure about it either.. I can look for branches related to thomi and see if I find something out of those
[09:53] <ogra_> popey, for sure ... once we know how to handle ports in that new world
[09:54] <mzanetti> om26er: yeah. that would already be great...
[09:54] <mzanetti> om26er: if you could find that one branch you said
[09:54] <om26er> mzanetti, I am trying to find ;)
[09:57] <om26er> mzanetti, lp:~thomir/tavastia/add-autopilot-tests though it touches just a little
[09:58] <mzanetti> om26er: cool. thanks
[09:58] <mzanetti> om26er: whats your opinion on that feature? is it needed at all?
[09:58] <om26er> mzanetti, i don;t think its needed, If it was we'd be using it for sure..
[09:59] <mzanetti> om26er: fair point... I think jppiiroinen requested it at some point but turned out he was "abusing" autopilot for unit testing.
[09:59] <om26er> now that I am thinking it may help us counter some timing issues in jenkins (may)
[10:00] <mzanetti> om26er: not sure about that... usually you can catch them all with a Eventually() on some property changes
[10:01] <om26er> mzanetti, but there is a point it would rather complex autopilot use for alot of people...and it seems to be a lower level thing that UI testing
[10:01] <mzanetti> om26er: yeah... but I don't see how the signal handling would change that
[10:02] <om26er> 'more work'
[10:11] <ogra_> popey, the current changes are minor for ports, the prob is that not everything is sorted in the design ... foundations would like to repartition the devices, that will cause lots of issues for porting
[10:11] <popey> right
[10:33] <Gaz> will ubuntu touch be made for micromax a57
[10:33] <Guest5604> will ubuntu touch be made for micromax a57
[10:34] <ogra_> depends if someone ports it
[10:41] <popey> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5773576/ ever seen that when building on arm?
[10:43] <ogra_> missing libe in the linker commend ?
[10:43] <ogra_> *command
[10:44] <popey> dunno ☻
[10:44] <popey> it's a set of examples from spotify
[10:44] <ogra_> likely a -lpthread
[10:45] <ogra_> (just guessing though)
[10:45] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5773586/ is the makefile
[10:45] <popey> not comprehensive ☻
[10:46] <Laney> you need to pass -pthread
[10:46] <popey> ah, in the individual example makefile.. ok.
[10:47] <Laney> wherever that erroneous line comes from
[10:47] <Laney> WOO, SAUCY!
[10:47] <ogra_> yeah
[10:47] <javierbuilder1> morning
[10:50]  * ogra_ sees the applaunched thread on the ML and wonders what preloading would gain us ... all the libs we use should be in ram already due to the shell
[10:50] <popey> ooh, makes now
[10:50] <popey> ta
[10:55] <javierbuilder1> friends how configure  multitouch  panel ?
[10:56] <Laney> how do I get arrow keys in the terminal? :-)
[10:56] <ogra_> javierbuilder1, should happen automatically from the android layer
[10:56] <ogra_> Laney, swipe from the bottim, tap on "panels"
[10:56] <ogra_> one of them has the arrow keys
[10:56]  * ogra_ forgot which
[10:57] <Laney> hmm
[10:57] <Laney> I can't easily do the bottom swipe
[10:57] <Laney> the keyboard doesn't dismiss
[10:57] <ogra_> switpe it down
[10:57] <Laney> nothing happens
[10:57] <davmor2> I see that the raring build is still on 160 does this mean that we have to upgrade to saucy installer now for daily images?
[10:57] <ogra_> you need to tap the upper edge of the kbd for that
[10:57] <Laney> but if I switch away and back it's not there so I can get to it
[10:58] <Laney> oh yes, the area to grab is quite thin :/
[10:58]  * ogra_ thinks the kbd edge needs to be a bit wider and visually get something like a small handle so you get that you can swipe it down
[10:58] <Laney> also swiping on the terminal does up/down in history which is nice
[10:58] <ogra_> davmor2, raring is dead ... long live saucy :)
[10:59] <davmor2> ogra_: does saucy work on an n7 yet?
[10:59] <Laney> yes
[10:59] <ogra_> davmor2, phablet-flash should automatically get you saucy if you call it with no options
[10:59] <ogra_> davmor2, kind of :)
[10:59] <ogra_> still shaky afaik
[10:59] <Laney> works better than raring did for me
[10:59] <davmor2> okay thanks guys
[10:59]  * ogra_ heard reports about apps not starting
[10:59] <Laney> like, apps launch and everything
[10:59] <Laney> i had them not starting on raring :P
[10:59] <ogra_> (starting to white/black screen)
[10:59] <Laney> yes, exactly that
[11:00] <davmor2> yeap I see saucy now :)
[11:00] <javierbuilder1> ogra_,  i dont use  android i use pc and panle multitouch by usb them are 2 device.. i can rotate the desktop but so need rotate the panel usb
[11:01] <ogra_> well, this chjannel is mainly for Ubuntu Touch ... the phone OS ...
[11:01] <javierbuilder1> ogra_, i try use ubuntu-touch
[11:01] <javierbuilder1> but i write one application in qml.  and i want use coponents of ubuntu touch
[11:02] <javierbuilder1> the phone os work in 64 bits ?
[11:48] <javierbuilder> #parabola
[12:00] <sil2100> Hi guys
[12:01] <sil2100> gusch_: do you know about what are the plans regarding phone-app?
[12:01] <gusch_> sil2100: I only know it's currently split up into 3 apps
[12:02] <sil2100> gusch_: are those apps ready? Do those have their LP projects?
[12:02] <sil2100> Since it's still in our stack config, been wondering if we could remove that and add those 3 ones instead
[12:02] <sil2100> It's not being daily-released, but still it's gathering dust
[12:03] <gusch_> sil2100: I don't think the split is done already
[12:03] <gusch_> sil2100: boiko should be here soon, he knows
[12:04] <sil2100> gusch_: thanks
[12:12] <popey> good "morning" aquarius
[12:12]  * aquarius laughs
[12:23] <kalikiana> popey, ugt http://x0.no/4bl ;-)
[12:26] <popey> kalikiana: ☻
[12:38] <sergiusens> sil2100: gusch_ can't daily release the phone-app until the proper indicator-messages lands
[12:38] <javierbuilder> Oranger,  ping
[12:39] <sil2100> sergiusens: thanks! Ok, noting that down
[12:39] <asac> do we (aim to) support HDR and panorama pictures on N4?
[12:41] <gusch_> asac: there is no plan for that right now afaik
[12:42] <asac> ok. so my hope that we automatically get that from android hals wasn't justified?
[12:42] <asac> or is it mostly UI and design?
[12:48]  * ogra_ grumbles about groupers bad battery mgmt
[12:49] <ogra_> silly thing died in the middle of flashing
[12:51] <popey> oof
[12:58] <tvoss> asac, hdr is a parameter supported by the hal, I would think that panorama is done in software
[13:04] <asac> do all N10 support 3G data?
[13:10]  * ogra_ stomps his foot ... silly grouper
[13:13] <rtg_> ogra_, here are the zImage size differences for mako:
[13:14] <rtg_> ECRYPTFS=m zImage = 6552368
[13:14] <rtg_> ECRYPTFS=y zImage = 6589544
[13:14] <rtg_> KEYS=n     zImage = 6504920
[13:14] <ogra_> wow, so it was on the edge already
[13:14] <ogra_> not that big of a difference though
[13:15] <rtg_> 90k diff with ecryptfs built in
[13:15] <ogra_> right
[13:16] <sil2100> boiko: hi!
[13:17] <ogra_> sergiusens, so i implemennted adbd in initrd .(only for failed rootfs mount, but i will move it to kick i on any kind of panic) that should give us more abilities to debug the flipped n10 ... could you try the last flipped image ?
[13:17] <ogra_> s/kick i/kick in/
[13:17] <boiko> sil2100: hi
[13:18] <sil2100> boiko: I wanted to ask about the status of the new phone-app alternatives - sergiusens said you're waiting for the new indicator-messages being released, but how is the status in overall?
[13:19] <boiko> sil2100: alternatives? well, what I have done was a conditional compilation of messaging-menu support (depending on the presence of messaging-menu-message.h)
[13:27] <seyyideg> hello
[13:28] <sergiusens> ogra_: ack
[13:28] <seyyideg> is there somone who can answer me some questions
[13:29] <ogra_> i still eed to fix the fstab cration for grouper and manta, so even if the rootfs mouting works we'll likely not get a session yet
[13:29] <sergiusens> asac: no, not all n10 support 3g
[13:30] <ogra_> sniff ... and the appmanager still dies on grouper
[13:30] <ogra_> tough there is a lot of flashy stuff going on on the display now ... i wonder if i can call that progress :P
[13:31] <didrocks> ogra_: you are creating a native blink tag now? :)
[13:31] <ogra_> sergiusens, rsalveti, that NM snippet in the build scripts, do you guys think we could get rid of it (now that cyphermox added a hack to the session)
[13:31] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch Manual Installation | http://askubuntu.com/q/309253
[13:31] <ogra_> didrocks, yeah, super native :)
[13:32] <didrocks> heh :)
[13:32] <rsalveti> ogra_: was that pushed after all?
[13:32] <rsalveti> I remember it didn't work for me
[13:32] <ogra_> rsalveti, i dont think it was yet
[13:32] <ogra_> but i imagine that the two could clash
[13:32] <ogra_> the build sets up a dbus polkit setting ...
[13:32] <ogra_> in one of the post build hooks
[13:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: rsalveti remind me of the snippet?
[13:33] <cyphermox> ogra_: it's not working for the UI
[13:33] <cyphermox> but it's working for nmcli
[13:33] <rsalveti> https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/session-manager-touch/policykit-networkcontrol-hack/+merge/169291
[13:33] <seyyideg> does ubuntu touch work good with a galaxy note 2 ?
[13:33] <ogra_> cyphermox, right, i wonder if that old dbus snippet is in our way here
[13:33] <cyphermox> the issue is that the UI is expecting some other policykit bit somewhere, or something else than NM tries to use polkit to authentify something
[13:33] <cyphermox> ogra_: old dbus snippet/
[13:33] <cyphermox> ?
[13:34] <cyphermox> I was thinking of possibly modifying the NM dbus rules to explicitly list the phablet user
[13:34] <cyphermox> I just couldn't try it yet
[13:34] <cyphermox> it's very likely an issue with that "atconsole" thing in the dbus config for NM
[13:34] <cyphermox> that file would be different IIRC if NM was built without polkit
[13:35] <cyphermox> I'm out of battery for now though and I need to reflash my n4, but on the bright side I managed to reproduce Rick's battery drain issue
[13:35] <ogra_> sergiusens, rsalveti, cyphermox http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/touch-preview-images/ubuntu-build-phablet-saucy/view/head:/customization/hooks/45-add-adming-group-nm.chroot
[13:36] <cyphermox> I got a full syslog with NM in heavy debug mode, so perhaps it will bring more info to be able to debug
[13:36] <ogra_> modifies /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.conf
[13:36] <ogra_> at image build time
[13:36] <cyphermox> ogra_: I don't think that's it
[13:36] <ogra_> ok
[13:37] <ogra_> just noted that this is there since quantal
[13:37] <cyphermox> or at least you know, not quite
[13:37] <ogra_> *noticed
[13:37] <cyphermox> right file though, I guess
[13:37] <ogra_> and i think unmodified since
[13:37] <cyphermox> but that rule is sound, although I don't think it should be required
[13:37] <ogra_> (despite the nice typo in the filename of the hook :) )
[13:38] <cyphermox> yeah ;)
[13:46] <ogra_> cyphermox, err, wait, does the admin group still exist ? i think we switched to sudo for thaat
[14:30] <timp> I added this ppa on my laptop: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-unity/daily-build-next/ubuntu/ raring/main
[14:30] <timp> and after apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, I don't have a desktop environment anymore
[14:36] <timp> ah dist-upgrade seems to fix it :)
[14:40] <m-b-o> mhall119: there's a review for you, fixes the weather app on device.
[14:46] <mhall119> m-b-o: ah, cool, thanks
[14:49] <mhall119> dholbach: looks nice!  But folks still can't comment on them on that topic
[14:49] <mhall119> how will we get feedback on the answers?
[14:50]  * davmor2 is sad weather app isn't working in saucy on my galaxy nexus :(
[14:51] <ogra_> on flipped it doesnt work either
[14:51] <mhall119> davmor2: m-b-o fixed it, just needs to go through the process
[14:51] <davmor2> mhall119: woohoo! /me == happy bunny
[14:51] <dholbach> mhall119, probably just through submitting a new question in the form
[14:53] <mhall119> dholbach: do you think it would be wise to mention that at the top or bottom?
[14:54] <dholbach> sure
[14:55] <davmor2> mhall119: should contacts we add show up in people, more so those that we mark as favourite or is that code that is to land yet?
[14:56] <mhall119> davmor2: I'm not sure what's going on with the people lens, sergiusens or ogra_ might though
[14:56] <dholbach> mhall119, done, at the top
[14:57] <sergiusens> mhall119: vala/libgee ... there's a bug logged
[14:57] <sergiusens> it's going to be removed anyways
[14:58] <davmor2> sergiusens: what is replacing it?
[14:58] <sergiusens> davmor2: contacts app or the 100 scopes
[14:58] <davmor2> sergiusens: ah fair enough :)
[14:59] <ogra_> yeah, it will vanish
[15:04] <sergiusens> ogra_: do I need to just flash the boot image?
[15:04] <FunkyPenguin> silly question, but how does one take a screenshot of the device running touch?
[15:04] <ogra_> sergiusens, better do a fill falsh
[15:04] <ogra_> sergiusens, theoretically it should mount the rootfs now, but if it doesnt it should fire up adbd
[15:04] <m-b-o> mhall199: iit seems property "locked" is also not available anymore. Will update the MP in some minutes
[15:07] <mhall119> m-b-o: it seems "active" isn't being accepted either
[15:07] <m-b-o> mhall119: hmm
[15:09] <sergiusens> FunkyPenguin: iirc /systen/bin/screencap myshot.png
[15:10] <FunkyPenguin> sergiusens: lovely, thanks
[15:10] <m-b-o> mhall199: probably qtcreator fooled me, will try another solution
[15:14] <mhall119> Kaleo: is there any code yet for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-extras ?
[15:21] <morphis> awe: ping
[15:22] <awe> morphis, pong
[15:23] <Kaleo> mhall119: nerochiaro is working on adding the first batch
[15:24] <nerochiaro> mhall119: Kaleo: correct. the browser should be coming soon
[15:26] <mhall119> browser?
[15:27] <mac_> hi
[15:27] <mac_> i need help
[15:27] <mhall119> hi mac_
[15:27] <mac_> hi
[15:27] <mhall119> ask your question or state your problem, and hopefully someone here can help
[15:27] <mac_> i want to install ubunt on my htc sensation
[15:28] <mac_> xe
[15:28] <mac_> can some one help
[15:28] <mhall119> !devices | mac_
[15:30] <mhall119> mac_: is your device on that list?
[15:31] <mac_> yes but say htc sensation 4g
[15:31] <mac_> mine is htc sensation xe
[15:31] <mac_> is it same?
[15:31] <mac_> look like same in video
[15:32] <mhall119> I don't know if it's the same or not, sorry
[15:32] <mac_> i thinks its same
[15:34] <mhall119> m-b-o: latest MP code works, thanks!
[15:36] <m-b-o> mhall119: was unable to reproduce the error on my desktop, but neokore helped me out
[15:37] <mac_> can i try htc sensation 4g will it work on sensation xe
[15:38] <mac_> can i try htc sensation 4g will it work on sensation xe
[15:40] <mhall119> m-b-o: you may have an older version of the UI components on your desktop
[15:42] <marss1994> i need help pleas D:  , i hav insatll ubuntu to my nexus 4 step by step, but now when i boot my phone nothing happend and i can't restor from a backup, i can only boot to the recovery mode pleas help !!!
[15:47] <marss1994> is there anybody who can help me ?
[15:49] <sergiusens> marss1994: what steps did you follow?
[15:50] <marss1994> on the ubuntu page :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[15:51] <sergiusens> marss1994: doing -b wipes the filesystems, so if you didn't offload the backup, it's probably not there
[15:51] <sergiusens> marss1994: if you want to go back to android you'd need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Restoring_Android
[15:51] <sergiusens> marss1994: if you want to get ubuntu working, tell me and let's get to it
[15:52] <marss1994> yes i want to get ubuntu working pleas
[15:53] <sergiusens> marss1994: so you did a phablet-flash -b and it rebooted eventually, right? Do you have the console output from when you did this?
[15:55] <tmoenicke> penk: ping
[15:55] <marss1994> you mean the output from the console on the desktop? then not more :/
[15:56] <mac_> Is HTC Sensation XE supported ?
[15:56] <mac_> [15:58] <sergiusens> marss1994: ok, does the device boot and stay in a black screen or continously reboot?
[15:59] <marss1994> the google logo apears for a while and the the device switch off
[16:00] <sergiusens> marss1994: ok, can you run 'adb logcat' and provide a pastebin with the output?
[16:01] <sergiusens> ogra_: testing manta as soon as it charges a bit
[16:01] <mac_> Is HTC Sensation XE supported ?
[16:01] <Asad2005> I have just boot a used nexus 4, Do i need to root the device first and hwo difficult to go to original android later?
[16:01] <Asad2005> *bought
[16:02] <ogra_> sergiusens, great
[16:02] <marss1994> did i find that in the recovery mode ?
[16:03] <marss1994> or what do you exactly mean?
[16:03] <mac_> can some one have answer for my question please
[16:03] <mac_> Is HTC Sensation XE supported ?
[16:03] <sergiusens> !devices
[16:04] <marss1994> oh i forgot to tell you that the recovery maneger is  now from ubuntu
[16:04] <mac_> yes
[16:05] <sergiusens> marss1994: hook up the device to your workstation, boot the device (black screen doesn't mean much) and then run 'adb logcat', copy that into http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ and provide the link once the paste is done
[16:06] <sergiusens> marss1994: please use my nick so I get highlights when you have more feedback or I may not notice
[16:06] <genii> mac_: According to the bot's link, no one's currently working on that mode. Closest looks to be Sensation XL, which is still Work In Progress
[16:06] <genii> mode->model
[16:07] <seb128> hum, my nexus7 is unhappy, "can't mount /sdcard"
[16:07] <seb128> (try to format it from the recovery mode)
  where did i find adb logcat ?
[16:09] <sergiusens> marss1994: just run it from the command line on your workstation
[16:13] <marss1994> sergiusens: sorry, i use ubuntu since tow days, can you give me the command ?
[16:15] <sergiusens> marss1994: hmmm, you know that ubuntu touch is in developer preview mode, right?
[16:17] <marss1994> sergiusens; yes i know, but i want to learm more about that, like learning by doing
[16:17] <sergiusens> marss1994: ok, so you have a default ubuntu installation where you installed phablet-tools and ran phablet-flash ?
[16:18] <sergiusens> ogra_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5774430/
[16:18] <ogra_> sergiusens, hey, i can not pull everything into the initrd
[16:18] <ogra_> use adb shell :)
[16:18] <ogra_> logcat wont help you, there is no anroid at all
[16:19] <ogra_> (its the ubuntu initrd)
[16:19] <seb128> ogra_, do you know what to do if a nexus7 error out when trying to mount or format /sdcard from the recovery mode?
[16:20] <sergiusens> ogra_: I would, but I still get the reboots
[16:20] <ogra_> sigh
[16:20] <ogra_> thats whith todays image ?
[16:20] <sergiusens> ogra_: yup
[16:20] <marss1994> segiusens:right, and when i start adb logcat it's just waiting for device
[16:20] <ogra_> can you check in recovery whats in last_kmsg
[16:21] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, one sec
[16:21] <ogra_> might be that it mounts now  but dies later
[16:21] <ogra_> seb128, /sdcatd is just a link on the n7 ... ignore that function
[16:21] <ogra_> it links to /data/media
[16:21] <ogra_> so if you format /data it will be formatted too
[16:22] <sergiusens> ogra_: seb128 you want to format /data/media
[16:23] <ogra_> is that a partition ?
[16:23] <ogra_> i guess a rm -rf via adb would suffice
[16:24] <sergiusens> ogra_: that's what you see in the recovery menus
[16:24] <ogra_> ah
[16:24]  * ogra_ hasnt looked ... my grouper is screwed atm
[16:25] <marss1994> sergiusens: no adb can't find the device
[16:25] <sergiusens> marss1994: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[16:25] <marss1994> 13.04
[16:26] <cdesai> ogra_: by default, recovery won't format /data/media if you wipe data
[16:26] <cdesai> sergiusens: hey
[16:26] <sergiusens> marss1994: run adb kill-server and rerun adb logcat
[16:26] <sergiusens> cdesai: hey
[16:26] <cdesai> sergiusens: if you didn't see it already, we need https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_build/commit/0f5bb3af4b3a14421885125ce4f9fba328b9bdd8.patch too
[16:26] <seb128> sergiusens, ogra_: hum, ok, still no luck ... whatever I adb push doesn't end up on the device, "autodeploy.zip not found"
[16:27] <ogra_> seb128, try a factory reset from the recovery menu
[16:27] <sergiusens> cdesai: just have that one patch to apply... didn't directly push because of the space error... but will do it soon
[16:27] <seb128> ogra_, I tried that already
[16:27] <sergiusens> seb128: ogra_ or try pushing directly from recovery
[16:27] <ogra_> that should format /data and populate it with the subdirs
[16:27] <cdesai> sergiusens: okay, thanks
[16:27] <seb128> the log has "I: Can't partition non-vfat: datamedia"
[16:27] <OXI17> e ai
[16:28] <seb128> "I: Can't format unknown volume: /external_sd"
[16:28] <seb128> "I: Can't format unknown volume: /emmc"
[16:28] <marss1994> sergiusens: it's still waiting for a device
[16:28] <ogra_> the latter two are fine
[16:28] <sergiusens> marss1994: dumb question, but is it plugged in?
[16:29] <sergiusens> seb128: did you try a fastboot -w ?
[16:29] <seb128> sergiusens, no, trying
[16:29] <marss1994> sergiusens:yes ofcourse
[16:30] <sergiusens> marss1994: ok, as a test, if you reboot into recovery, does adb logcat do anything? I don't want the output
[16:30] <sergiusens> marss1994: just want to know if it works
[16:31] <Asad2005> I am trying to install on nexus 4 but not rooted i am about to start step 4, does the image download by itself or do i need to download the images in my ubuntu pc first
[16:31] <seb128> sergiusens, that worked, thanks!
[16:31] <sergiusens> seb128: np, but something really weird has to happen for you to need that :-)
[16:32] <seb128> sergiusens, yeah, seems that happened ... :-)
[16:33] <marss1994> sergiusens: the white cursor stop for a while
[16:33] <sergiusens> ogra_: put the manta to charge again... ran out of juice
[16:33] <sergiusens> marss1994: explain?
[16:33] <ogra_> sergiusens, hmm probably the reboots are realted to power, better charge it for 1h
[16:34] <ogra_> theoretically it should find its rootfs now
[16:34] <ogra_> unless you didnt reflash with the latest or the bootimg didnt end up in the anroid zip
[16:35] <sergiusens> ogra_: ok, I'll wait, pretty positve it did flash correctly though
[16:35] <marss1994> sergiusens: the withe bar you write with, flashing all the time, when i switch my device on it stop flash
[16:37] <FunkyPenguin> sergiusens: looks like /systen/bin/screencap doesn't exist
[16:37] <FunkyPenguin> popey: how do you get screenshots of your device?
[16:38] <sergiusens> FunkyPenguin: on the android side
[16:38] <bzoltan> ping Kaleo
[16:38] <sergiusens> shell@android:/ $ which screencap
[16:38] <sergiusens> /system/bin/screencap
[16:38] <sergiusens> FunkyPenguin: ^^
[16:38] <marss1994> sergiusens: i think adb can't find my device, would it be bad?
[16:39] <popey> FunkyPenguin: android-sdk-linux/tools/lib/monitor-x86_64/monitor
[16:39] <FunkyPenguin> sergiusens: ah, ok. thanks, i was looking from within the the ubuntu shell
[16:39] <popey> I'm doing it from my desktop
[16:39] <FunkyPenguin> popey: grassy arse
[16:39] <popey> nil problemo
[16:40] <sergiusens> FunkyPenguin: popey fwiw I always do adb root; adb shell /system/bin/screencap /data/myshot.png; adb pull /data/myshot.png .
[16:40] <popey> nice
[16:41] <marss1994> sergiusens: ok, i think it would be more easy for me to return to android, but how can i do that without adb ?
[16:41] <sergiusens> marss1994: you need fastboot
[16:42] <sergiusens> marss1994: it's really hard for me to follow your issue though
[16:42] <sergiusens> marss1994: what's your technical background?
[16:44] <mhr3> uh oh, i bricked my phone
[16:44] <popey> Well done you.
[16:44] <sergiusens> marss1994: which brings up the question, what does the recovery screen look like? I'm wondering if you are in recovery or the bootloader
[16:44] <sergiusens> mhr3: with nexus that can only happen if you flash the bootloader
[16:45] <mhr3> sergiusens, i was running phablet-flash -b, and after it started writing userdata it failed
[16:45] <mhr3> so now it can't boot
[16:45] <sergiusens> mhr3: ah, not to worry
[16:46] <sergiusens> mhr3: means your partitions are wrong or your bootloader is providing the wrong info to fastboot
[16:46] <marss1994> sergiusens: i start the recovery mode,than there is a background with the ubuntu logo, i can istal
[16:46] <sergiusens> mhr3: just boot into recovery
[16:46] <marss1994> sergiusens: install zip ore make a backup, things like that
[16:47] <sergiusens> mhr3: run phablet-flash --no-device-validate
[16:47] <sergiusens> mhr3: provided the recovery image was flashed which I think it was
[16:48] <sergiusens> mhr3: if not we would need to manually flash it
[16:48] <marss1994> sergiusens: and to your other question, i studying on an technical colleg in cologne
[16:48] <sergiusens> marss1994: ok, two more things to try... plug the usb cable in a different usb port or try a different cable
[16:49] <mhr3> sergiusens, yep, that seems to do something, had to add also -d maguro though
[16:50] <marss1994> sergiusens: nothing happend, too
[16:50] <sergiusens> mhr3: ack ... so if you have time later and don't mind returning to android (downloading a factory image) and using phablet-flash -b again that would be great... want to see if a new bootloader would fix this and it's a problem of you having an old one
[16:51] <mhr3> sergiusens, shall i just restart it once it pushed the .zips?
[16:51] <sergiusens> marss1994: so you are in recovery and adb doesn't work at all?
[16:51] <sergiusens> marss1994: let's go with the obvious then... do this
[16:51] <sergiusens> mhr3: it should do it alone though
[16:52] <samsunggalaxy10-> Hey i have a galaxy 10.1, how long until theres a stable rls?
[16:52] <mhr3> sergiusens, think it bailed out on
[16:52] <mhr3> adbd is already running as root
[16:52] <sergiusens> marss1994: try adb kill-server and the 'sudo adb start-server'
[16:52] <sergiusens> mhr3: doesn't bail out with that message though
[16:52] <sergiusens> mhr3: as in shouldn't
[16:53] <mhr3> sergiusens, well, otherwise it's doing something for a long time without showing me anything :)
[16:53] <sergiusens> mhr3: adb push takes it's time
[16:53] <mhr3> sergiusens, it looks like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5774516/
[16:54] <ogra_> sergiusens, you should add a fake animation to phablet-flash to not get that question 20x per day
[16:54] <sergiusens> mhr3: do you have an ubuntu logo on the screen?
[16:54] <mhr3> yep
[16:54] <marss1994> sergiusens: 'daemon started successfully'
[16:54] <sergiusens> ogra_: probably
[16:54] <sergiusens> marss1994: no run 'adb shell ls'
[16:55] <sergiusens> mhr3: check the recovery menu 'deploy from zip'
[16:55] <sergiusens> mhr3: the two files should be there
[16:55] <mhr3> sergiusens, you mean "install zip from sdcard"?
[16:55] <marss1994> sergiusens: ok
[16:55] <sergiusens> mhr3: exactly that
[16:56] <mhr3> sergiusens, nope, they're not there
[16:56] <marss1994> sergiusens: and next ?
[16:57] <sergiusens> mhr3: might need to reformat /data and /data/media then
[16:57] <sergiusens> marss1994: did it work?
[16:57] <marss1994> sergiusens: yes
[16:58] <sergiusens> marss1994: tht can only mean you had the wrong android-tools-adb installed
[16:58] <sergiusens> marss1994: follow this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation
[17:00] <mhr3> sergiusens, ehm, know how do i exit from sideload?
[17:00] <sergiusens> mhr3: supposedly by sending null from your workstation, but it hardly works for me, I just reboot
[17:02] <mhr3> sergiusens, i guess "Error mounting /data" is not a good sign?
[17:03] <sergiusens> mhr3: yeah, you need to reformat from the menus
[17:05] <sergiusens> mhr3: "Mounts and Storage" -> "format /data and /data/media"
[17:05] <mhr3> yep, it's running
[17:07] <Kaleo> bzoltan: pong
[17:08] <bzoltan> Kaleo:  Hello there... did you leave the sdk chanel permanently ?
[17:09] <Kaleo> bzoltan: yeah, that was an experiment
[17:09] <mhr3> sergiusens, hm, even after formatting the the zips still don't show up :/
[17:09] <bzoltan> Kaleo:  not a good one I think :)
[17:09] <Kaleo> bzoltan: I'm not sure :)
[17:10] <bzoltan> Kaleo:  it depends ... I still refuse to talk about various topic in a public
[17:10] <Kaleo> bzoltan: in that case, I can come back
[17:11] <bzoltan> Kaleo:  If you have nothing serious against it then please... I think we can keep the technical discussions here, but many other things would be just noise here
[17:12] <sergiusens> mhr3: no, you would need to recopy them
[17:12] <Kaleo> bzoltan: note that #ubuntu-app-devel is the channel, not #ubuntu-touch
[17:12] <bzoltan> Kaleo: I am present on both
[17:18] <mhr3> sergiusens, for some reason my /data/media isn't pointing to anything useful
[17:19] <mhr3> so /sdcard/ can't be written to
[17:19] <dpm> fginther, sergiusens, as discussed the other day, here's a heads up that the name of the Calendar app has changed from ubuntu-calendar-app to calendar-app, so the Jenkins jobs and the Launcher should be updated
[17:23] <ogra_> mhr3, its the other way round, /sdcard should be a link to /data/media
[17:24] <ogra_> (and /data/media is just a huge empty dir)
[17:24] <mhr3> ogra_, still, i can't write to it
[17:25] <ogra_> thats strange, unless it is mounted readonly ... yu are root in recovery and should have write access to everything thats mounted rw
[17:25] <mhr3> nvm, rebooted, works again
[17:25] <mhr3> weird that df doesn't list the mount
[17:26] <ogra_> the mount of /data ?
[17:26] <mhr3>  /data/media
[17:26] <Asad2005> Can i root my nexus 4 from ubuntu pc
[17:27] <ogra_> there is no need to "root" a nexus device, they are open ...
[17:27] <mhr3> ogra_, ok anyway, i have the two saucy zips on the device, do i just flash them? order matters?
[17:27] <ogra_> see the install wikipage
[17:27] <codinho_> Asad2005, yep
[17:28] <ogra_> Asad2005, it hads instructions how to get into unlocked mode
[17:28] <codinho_> Asad2005, just use google
[17:28] <mhr3> odd that one is armel, and one armhf
[17:28] <ogra_> mhr3, not if you look at the content :)
[17:28] <ogra_> android is always armel
[17:28] <sergiusens> mhr3: that is ok, android is armel, ubuntu armhf
[17:28] <mhr3> hmm, good to know :)
[17:29] <codinho_> mhr3, you can't compare such things :)
[17:29] <sergiusens> link from /sdcard to /data/media/0 gets created on boot
[17:29] <mhr3> so just flash both?
[17:29] <ogra_> we would build it as armhf if the binary blobs wouldnt break then :)
[17:30] <Asad2005> codinho_: I thought unlocked mode was for the sim
[17:30] <ogra_> Asad2005, see the install wikipage ... it has all instructions you need
[17:30] <ogra_> just follow the guide step by step
[17:31] <codinho_> Asad2005, I don't know does any providers could lock nexus 4?
[17:32] <ogra_> are there any providers selling it ?
[17:32]  * ogra_ thinks nexus4 is exclusively sold by google
[17:34] <popey> ogra_: marketplace vendors on amazon
[17:34] <codinho_> ogra_, that is what I'm talking/asking about
[17:34] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Google-Nexus-Smartphone-Black-Free/dp/B00A986MEG/
[17:35] <ogra_> popey, well, but not providers ...
[17:35] <codinho_> yep
[17:35] <codinho_> no contracts
[17:35] <ogra_> i guess there are some resellers indeed
[17:35] <codinho_> me too
[17:36] <codinho_> I can definitely  say that there are no such providers here
[17:36] <codinho_> in Soviet Russia
[18:48] <NeedHelp> Hello
[18:49] <NeedHelp> Hello ?
[18:49] <NeedHelp> I need help
[18:50] <NeedHelp> ?
[18:51] <NeedHelp> Hello
[18:51] <javierbuilder> hello i want do one menu flickable  .. for maybe  12 items..  what componente use, one  flickable + tlistview ?
[19:28] <slangasek> ogra_: so what's the latest status of container-flip on grouper?  Are you investigating this already, or would it be worth me taking a look?
[19:29] <ogra_> slangasek, ubuntuappmanager is constantly dieing on the android side
[19:30] <slangasek> ogra_: mmm?  that's not the problem I was having
[19:30] <ogra_> i was hoping i can find some time tomorrow to debug it more with rsalveti
[19:30] <slangasek> the problem I'm having is that grouper goes into a reboot loop because init dies immediately
[19:30] <slangasek> so if you're not having this problem, perhaps you can point me to what I'm doing wrong
[19:30] <ogra_> beyond that, the fstab creation isnt ready for n7 and there are udev rules i need to add for the device permissions
[19:31] <rsalveti> ogra_: but you said you're able to get it to boot at least, right?
[19:31] <ogra_> yeah, so should you
[19:31] <rsalveti> I just need someone with a bit of time to help me understand what is happening at the graphic stack
[19:31] <rsalveti> as I don't have a device in hands
[19:31] <ogra_> todays image definitely boots, and starts the container
[19:33] <ogra_> slangasek, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5775001/
[19:33] <ogra_> you need these two changes to get it to try to fire up the session
[19:34] <slangasek> ogra_: you are misunderstanding
[19:34] <ogra_> slangasek, boot into recovery and take a look at /proc/last_kmsg
[19:34] <slangasek> ogra_: *Ubuntu* is not booting
[19:34] <ogra_> yes i got that
[19:34] <slangasek> this has nothing to do with lxc-android-config - init is dying immediately
[19:34] <ogra_> which is weird
[19:34] <ogra_> do you see some console realted message ?
[19:34] <slangasek> I get no messages from init (upstart)
[19:35] <slangasek> what should the console setting be, and where is it configured?
[19:35] <ogra_> in /proc/last_kmsg zou should see it
[19:35] <ogra_> *you
[19:35] <ogra_> it is configured at image creation time
[19:35] <slangasek> see what, exactly?
[19:35] <ogra_> if there is something like "no initial console found" rigth before it reboots
[19:35] <ogra_> it is very prominent
[19:35] <slangasek> note that I've just reflashed the device for the partitioning work, so it'll take me a bit to query last_kmsg for anything
[19:36] <slangasek> yeah, I haven't been seeing that at all
[19:36] <ogra_> oh
[19:36] <ogra_> well, how did you reflash with todays image then ?
[19:36] <ogra_> if init dies that is a clear indicator that either the cmdline or the kernel is wrong (one version to old)
[19:37] <ogra_> but the issues we had before were console related, they are fixed in todays bootimg
[19:37] <ogra_> also it should not reboot at all
[19:37] <ogra_> hmm, though ... it will if it found the rootfs ...
[19:38] <ogra_> my update tomorrow will give you adbd instead of rebooting ... i didnt really get to it today with all the meetings
[19:38] <ogra_> i was meaning to turn that into a proper panic script for the initrd
[19:40] <TobyK> is the saucy image for nexus 7 stable yet?
[19:42] <ogra_> slangasek, oh, btw there are at least three different partitioning schemes for the n7 ... will be fun to work with ...
[19:43] <slangasek> hurray
[19:43] <ogra_> (i think there are more, but i know 3 at least)
[19:43] <slangasek> ogra_: how did I reflash> I reran phablet-flash -b, after booting to recovery
[19:43] <ogra_> lol
[19:43] <ogra_> that gives you unflipped
[19:43] <slangasek> yes, I know
[19:43] <slangasek> that's what I flashed today
[19:44] <ogra_> right ... havent seen that ever
[19:44] <slangasek> if you meant to tell me that "last week's flipped image was broken and today's flipped image works", you didn't mention that :P
[19:44]  * ogra_ hasnt touched unflipped since a monthj or so
[19:44] <ogra_> no, todays flipped doesnt show anything on the screen
[19:45] <slangasek> that's "works" compared to what I have currently
[19:45] <ogra_> due to ubuntuappmanager commiting suicide every few seconds
[19:45] <slangasek> the unflipped images are working fine, I have no problem with those
[19:45] <ogra_> well, you said you used phablet-flash to flash them
[19:46] <ogra_> (teh flipped ones) .... or am i totally confused now ?
[19:46] <slangasek> 12:36 < ogra_> well, how did you reflash with todays image then ?
[19:46] <slangasek> you didn't say you were asking about flipped images
[19:46] <slangasek> I haven't tried today's flipped image yet
[19:46] <ogra_> heh, just assume that i always refer to flipped :)
[19:46] <ogra_> i dont touch anything else
[19:47] <ogra_> ah
[19:47] <ogra_> todays flipped should get yu into ubuntu so you can work via adb
[19:47] <ogra_> or ssh if you manage to get up wlan
[19:47] <slangasek> ok; will test that once I'm done arguing with partition tables :)
[19:48] <ogra_> and use the above pastebin to make it be closer to working
[19:55] <swordfish> Good evening!... For those interested: we have ubuntu touch checkers!! https://launchpad.net/checkers
[20:00] <pmcgowan> swordfish, thats awesome
[20:01] <popey> swordfish: ooh!
[20:03] <popey> swordfish: are you using qtcreator? if so it can create packaging for you
[20:04] <swordfish> pmcgowan, popey thank you!...
[20:04] <swordfish> popey, yes... I can try creating the package...
[20:05] <popey> that would be great, would love to see this in the collection ppa ☻
[20:08] <pmcgowan> ogasawara, I love cking, talk about jfdi
[20:09] <swordfish> popey, ok... I created the package... How can i add description of the packages and all those nice things?
[20:09] <popey> swordfish: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-06-17-210853.png looks good on the device
[20:10] <popey> swordfish: if you push to your branch I'll happily make mods and push a branch with the necessary tweaks
[20:11] <swordfish> popey, yeee, it works on the phone! sadly i couldn't test that. I had to flash back android :( ...
[20:12] <swordfish> popey, anyway do i need to push only the deb or you  need something else?
[20:12] <popey> push your code with the /debian folder included
[20:14] <javierbuilder> hello i want build menu flickable + icon
[20:14] <javierbuilder> exis examples
[20:18] <swordfish> popey, ok, sorry for the delay... I added the whole folder...
[20:18] <popey> no problem ☻
[20:18]  * popey takes a look
[20:20] <popey> swordfish: ok, I'll push a branch and propose for merging
[20:21] <swordfish> popey, ok perfect... BTW qtquick is really awesome!
[20:41] <popey> swordfish: https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/checkers/packaging-changes/+merge/169940 hope that's all okay
[20:53] <swordfish> popey, thank you!... I'm going to merge them!...
[20:54] <popey> swordfish: as a test I pushed to my own ppa.. which is scheduled to start in an hour or so https://launchpad.net/~popey/+archive/ppa/+build/4722605
[20:58] <Minste> something wrong with build saucy-15? When I try to phablet-flash -b everything seems fine until validating. then I get this error: Validatind download for saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[20:58] <Minste> Error while downloading, ensure connection
[20:59] <swordfish> popey, ok thank you i will test it :D ... Just another questio what happens if I make some modification to the code? You have to recompile it and publish it again in the collections?
[21:05] <mhall119> swordfish: yes, just give popey or I a shout and we'll pull the new code and rebuild it
[21:06] <mhall119> just make sure you update the debian/changelog to a new version, and describe what changed
[21:08] <swordfish> mhall119, ok... Thank you guys you!...
[21:15] <nik90> mhall119: Do you happen to know how to create a dependency to a launchpad blueprint?
[21:16] <mhall119> nik90: between one BP and another?
[21:16] <nik90> mhall119: Like for instance for now the clock app depends on the Alarms API, I like to link to to Zsombri's Alarms API blueprint
[21:16] <nik90> mhall119: yes
[21:25] <mhall119> nik90: there's a link at the bottom of the BP to add a dependency
[21:28] <nik90> mhall119: ah thnx
[21:32] <sigmaone> Where can I buy a phone ubuntu in Sudan
[21:32] <popey> sigmaone: you can't yet
[21:33] <sigmaone> why
[21:33] <popey> because it's not finished yet
[21:35] <sigmaone> aha 2014??
[21:36] <popey> sigmaone: that would be a reasonable guess, yes
[21:37] <sigmaone> good, it better than android
[21:37] <mhall119> that's our goal :)
[21:40] <popey> *amogst our goals ☻

[21:41] <mhall119> nobody ends the spanish inquisitioN!
[21:43] <Minste> What code could i use to check permissions on a file? Cause I can't save after editing ~/.config/maliit.org/server.conf
[21:44] <netcurli> Minste: does the directory maliit.org exist?
[21:45] <Minste> netcurli: have no idea, just followed the answer I got on my question about changing keyboard layout. http://askubuntu.com/questions/307923/ubuntu-touch-cant-change-keyboard-input
[21:47] <Minste> no wait. the answer was on the mailingslist. sorry. https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg02407.html
[21:50] <rsalveti> sergiusens: will apply http://people.canonical.com/~sergiusens/patches1/
[21:50] <rsalveti> will just test it quickly
[21:53]  * ogra_ scratches heard ...
[21:54] <ogra_> sergiusens, any idea why i see demo content in the gallery on the tablet but not on the phone using the same image ?
[21:54] <sergiusens> rsalveti: ack, I did really give it a test of two builds, but feel free to corroborate
[21:54] <sergiusens> ogra_: image doesn't delete old content?
[21:54] <sergiusens> ogra_: might of had an old image from before
[21:54] <ogra_> oh, wait, thats userdata ... could well be that it is a leftover
[21:54] <ogra_> yeah
[21:55] <ogra_> ok, seems the white screen issue is a race
[21:55] <ogra_> changing unity8 delay in /etc/device-services from 2 to 4 sec seems to make it better
[21:56] <rsalveti> weird, is that nexus 7?
[21:57] <ogra_> yes
[21:57] <ogra_> it works on every 3rd or 4th boot anyway
[21:58] <ogra_> delaying the shell makes it better but it still fails sometimes
[21:58]  * ogra_ sets it to 5 sec
[22:00] <ogra_> hmm, no, still happens
[22:06] <rsalveti> that makes no sense
[22:07] <ogra_> no, its a red herring
[22:07] <ogra_> i'm sure there is some kind of race ... but its not the shell
[22:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: one of the lens/scopes?
[22:08] <ogra_> might be
[22:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: does launching apps work?
[22:08] <ogra_> i find it intresting that it happpens on flipped and unflipped
[22:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, thats the issue ... you get a white screen most of the boots, but not all the time
[22:09] <ogra_> white screen when starting an app that is
[22:09] <ogra_> one out of four works
[22:10] <ogra_> roughly
[22:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: might be qtubuntu then
[22:10] <ogra_> but it definitely looks racy ... its not reliable broken/working
[22:12] <sergiusens> ogra_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5775426/
[22:13] <ogra_> ah, merci
[22:13]  * ogra_ promises to keep it this time
[22:14] <ogra_> sergiusens, are you still in the device ?
[22:15] <stgraber> ogra_: progress, I've got the nexus4 booting using the loop-mounted image with read-only / and the LXC container at least starts ueventd now
[22:15] <ogra_> it should start a lot more though :)
[22:15] <stgraber> ogra_: oh, actually, after a little while it even started all the other services!
[22:15] <ogra_> great
[22:16] <ogra_> though "a little while" needs research, that should be up really quickly ...
[22:16]  * ogra_ hopes thats not the loop but something fixable in the lxc setup :)
[22:16] <ogra_> stgraber, congrats !
[22:16] <stgraber> ogra_: also, that image was entirely auto-generated, so I've got re-producable results now
[22:16] <j2_> hey is there to install on droid bionic
[22:17] <ogra_> cool
[22:17] <stgraber> ogra_: I still need to script my changes to the initrd though
[22:17] <stgraber> ogra_: so I've got sf running but can't seem to run any of the tests... everything appears to be segfaulting, wondering if that's related to ro /
[22:18] <robert_ancell> mhall119, hey, I merged some changes from bzoltan into animal-farm and euchre - do you update the PPA? Or should / can I just push changes into there directly?
[22:18] <j2_> hey is there to install on droid bionic
[22:19] <ogra_> sergiusens, could you bindmount /dev to /data/ubuntu/dev, chroot into /data/ubuntu  and run the script from http://paste.ubuntu.com/5775442/  ?
[22:20] <sergiusens> ogra_: sure
[22:20] <ogra_> thats essentially what the initrd script runs ...
[22:20] <ogra_> i wonder if its a quoting issue or some such
[22:21]  * sergiusens wonders why plain text pastebin requires auth
[22:22] <ogra_> ask IS :)
[22:22] <mhall119> robert_ancell: if the changes are in the bzr branches, I'll just update and rebuilt and upload
[22:22] <aquarius> sergiusens, because IE will, sometimes, guess the mimetype of a thing even if you say it's plain text
[22:22] <robert_ancell> mhall119, yep, all updated
[22:23] <aquarius> sergiusens, that's a guess, mind. Ask IS :)
[22:23] <ogra_> sergiusens, hmm, though ... that might not give us the wanted result,  the chroot does indeed not run udev ... but try it anyway
[22:24] <mhall119> robert_ancell: pushed both to the PPA
[22:24] <robert_ancell> mhall119, ta
[22:24] <mhall119> np
[22:24] <sergiusens> aquarius: well, if it is that, then only IE should suffer from it :-)
[22:25] <aquarius> sergiusens, nah, the problem is not you uploading with IE, it's you uploading a thing which is malicious JavaScript and then pointing IE users *at* it. :)
[22:25] <sergiusens> aquarius: yeah, so only IE users agent string should make them log in :-)
[22:25] <aquarius> ha! harsh. :)
[22:26] <ogra_> aquarius, pfft, that will teach them to use ubuntu !
[22:27] <sergiusens> ogra_: this is what it prints /dev/block/mmcblk0p9
[22:27] <ogra_> sergiusens, sad, thats what it is supposed to print
[22:27]  * sergiusens will brb
[22:27] <sergiusens> ogra_: indeed
[22:32] <Minste> whats the status of bluetooth connection on mako? can it be used for calls?
[22:35] <rickspencer3> mhall119, are the instructions on d.u.c still the best way to set up the SDK on saucy?
[22:35] <Orokusaki> Anyone know why I cannot load a module in the a init.d file?
[22:35] <Orokusaki> it used to work in the developer preview, but doesn't seem to work in saucy
[22:36] <Orokusaki> I used to use 90userinit
[22:36] <Orokusaki> should I use /etc/modules? or a init.devicename.rc file?
[22:48] <mhall119> rickspencer3: as far as I'm aware, yes
[22:49] <rickspencer3> thanks mhall119
[22:49] <mhall119> I upgraded to saucy and haven't had a problem, but haven't done a clean install of the SDK ffrom here
[22:49] <rickspencer3> mhall119, so far it seems to have worked
[22:49] <rickspencer3> I'll try actually hacking on a project later
[22:50]  * mhall119 hopes it's another productivity tool :)
[22:52] <Orokusaki> "startpar-bridge (plymouth-stop--stopped) state changed from stopping to killed" anyone ever get this? I get it over and over again in dmesg...
[22:53] <mhall119> rickspencer3: btw, have you decided on a new name for reddpics?
[22:53] <rickspencer3> mhall119, yeah, I'm going to call it redgur
[22:53] <rickspencer3> just haven't had a chance to hack on it yet
[22:54] <mhall119> I'd like to add quickmeme support too, in addition to imgur
[22:55] <mhall119> that should cover 80% of reddit pics
[22:55] <rickspencer3> mhall119, well, then it wouldn't be an imgur client
[22:59] <mhall119> but it would be reddit image browser :)
[23:00] <rickspencer3> mhall119, then you'd have to use the reddit api, etc...
[23:00] <rickspencer3> which would be fine, but it would be a totally different app
[23:01] <ogra_> sergiusens, so ... could you unpack the initrd (with abootimg-unpack-initrd ...  then edit scripts/touch , add "wait $!" right after /sbin/adbd, repack and try if that gets out out of the reboot loop (and in via adb)
[23:01] <ogra_> *gets you out
[23:01] <ogra_> sergiusens, in case that works, run the script from the paste again in that env ...
[23:02] <ogra_> that should have a working udev and show what ubuntu sees
[23:03] <dixeflatline> hello
[23:05] <dixeflatline> quick question for anyone listening... trying to get 3G GSM data via T-Mobile
[23:05] <dixeflatline> nmcli con up id "T-Mobile connection 1"
[23:05] <dixeflatline> i then get /system/bin/sh: sudo: not found
[23:05] <dixeflatline> any ideas
[23:07] <dixeflatline> or Error: Unknown connection: T-Mobile connection 1.
[23:16] <stgraber> slangasek: hey, can you remind me of what's the trick to get the wifi working on the nexus4? I now managed to get my LXC container to start properly here with a ro / but wlan0 still doesn't show up
[23:17] <stgraber> slangasek: AFAICT I have all the right partitions mounted in the container, so if ueventd is the one loading the firmware, it should work. Though I vaguely remember you saying that the kernel tries to load it from /lib/firmware or a similar location outside the container
[23:20] <ogra_> that was udev
[23:21] <ogra_> and this is fixed in the recent images
[23:21] <ogra_> with the new ordering of the upstart jobs
[23:22] <stgraber> ogra_: ok, so something is still wrong on my device, may be related to loop-mount+read-only
[23:22] <ogra_> can you "ifconfig up" it ?
[23:22] <stgraber> nope, wlan0 just doesn't exist (looked in iwconfig)
[23:22] <slangasek> stgraber: I didn't use any tricks for wireless, I just rebooted twice to get the indicator to show me contents
[23:22] <Minste> aren't uoa-create facebook command working anymore?
[23:23] <stgraber> ogra_: it looks a lot like android missed some part of the hardware init and the kernel never received the firmware (which AFAIK is the only thing it needs before wlan0 shows up)
[23:23] <ogra_> the firmware lives in /vendor
[23:24] <ogra_> usually
[23:24] <ogra_> and /vendor needs to be a link to /system/vendor ... is that the case in your container ?
[23:25] <Orokusaki> Does the network manager have any bugs showing an empty list at the moment? Just curious.. =)
[23:25] <Orokusaki> I noticed it did awhile back with raring.. even if everything else was working, etc
[23:25] <ogra_> it shows an empty list if it cant talk to the device
[23:25] <stgraber> ogra_: yep, /vendor is a symlink to /system/vendor and I've got a lib and firmware dir in there with the usual content
[23:25] <Orokusaki> Sup ogra, you helped me awhile back.. don't remember what it was for
[23:26] <Orokusaki> I have wlan0 up, I can use iwlist, etc inside of the chroot, I can connect to a network, use ifconfig and route, etc.. but no wireless shows in my list
[23:26] <Orokusaki> with the developer preview I had this problem
[23:27] <Orokusaki> I noticed if I unmounted /proc in 90userinit it would for some reason work
[23:27] <Orokusaki> also, my kernel does not have fanotify
[23:27] <Orokusaki> =)
[23:27] <ogra_> stgraber, well, grep for wpa_supplicant in init.rc ... to see the actual command it uses to bring up the device, probably that reveals something
[23:28] <Orokusaki> my /proc inside the chroot is not mounted, it seems like a dead chroot.. I have to manually run mount -t proc proc /proc to get a proc filesystem to show ip in my chroot
[23:28] <Orokusaki> dead chroot= dead proc fs I mean.. ghost
[23:28] <ogra_> yes, thats on purpose ...
[23:29] <ogra_> the process that runs init in the chroot has a proper proc
[23:29] <Orokusaki> @ogra so I should not mount it myself...
[23:29] <ogra_> you can mount it yourself as long as you use ubuntu_chroot shell
[23:29] <ogra_> it does no harm
[23:29] <Orokusaki> okay.. I do
[23:29] <Orokusaki> I unmount proc outside of chroot and mount it inside of chroot
[23:29] <ogra_> and helps for commands that read from proc
[23:29] <ogra_> no
[23:30] <Orokusaki> oh
[23:30] <Orokusaki> so keep it mounted both sides then?
[23:30] <ogra_> dont touch the proc mounts, they are right as they are by default
[23:30] <Orokusaki> okay... I just notice I cannot access /proc/net in the chroot by default.. is this correct?
[23:30] <Orokusaki> thanks by the way!
[23:31] <ogra_> yes, the chroot doesnt have proc mounted ... the rootfs that was used via init has it though
[23:31] <Orokusaki> Odd... I should have a network manager list... is abgn and etc all okay?
[23:31] <ogra_> you only chroot into the filesystem .... not actually into the running system that owns the proc
[23:31] <ogra_> it should
[23:32] <Orokusaki> nothing major in upstart that I can see
[23:32] <ogra_> not sure if it uses fanotify though ...
[23:32] <ogra_> since you mentioned that
[23:32] <Orokusaki> dmesg shows a rolling command that keeps restarting.. network manager stays started, etc... I got it to work in the developer without fanotify by unmounting proc outside of chroot
[23:32] <Orokusaki> odd
[23:33] <Orokusaki> when I load my wireless module, and restart Network Manager
[23:33] <Orokusaki> it changes.. instead of just empty.. it changes to "select a wireless network: empty"
[23:34] <Orokusaki> but I can scan inside the chroot and see all the wireless networks.. maybe its a bug
[23:34] <Orokusaki> =)
[23:34] <Orokusaki> I am using yesterdays saucy build
[23:36] <dixeflatline> can you get GSM data?
[23:37] <Orokusaki> HP Touchpad here..
[23:37] <ogra_> Orokusaki, try to use phablet-network-setup from the PC , probably that helps
[23:37] <ogra_> there are srill bugs in NM in saucy as far as i know
[23:37] <Orokusaki> thanks.. I ill find out what that is
[23:37] <ogra_> it comes with phablet-tools
[23:38] <ogra_> (see the install instructions)
[23:39] <Orokusaki> got it! thanks! I will report back.. trying to get a module to auto load... taking a stab at init.tenderloin.rc
[23:40] <Orokusaki> Can we play music yet?? I copied over a mp3 and I don't think that works yet..  I guess try to play a video to test audio?
[23:48] <dixeflatline> media-player <full_path_to_video_file> --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/media-player.desktop
[23:48] <dixeflatline>  /home/phablet/Pictures
[23:48] <Orokusaki> thanks!
[23:48] <dixeflatline> /home/phablet/Videos
[23:49] <Orokusaki> =)
[23:49] <Orokusaki> I'd follow you off a cliff
[23:49] <dixeflatline> video lens by modifying the /usr/share/unity/lenses/mockvideos/mockvideos.json file to point at your installed videos
[23:49] <dixeflatline> haha
[23:49] <dixeflatline> no worries
[23:49] <Orokusaki> very cool info, gracias
[23:51] <javierbuilder> how can integrate  maliit keyboard in my proyect?