 And if anyone knows if that work is being completed, it'd be our resident @notkit
 With your ears to the ground, have you heard of how O support is coming along?
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 Welcome Ja and @pandaswarm and @Davilka to UBports.  Feel free to ask us anything.
 And check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for more information about language groups and faqs.
 What's up folks!
 Welcome!
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 @popescu_sorin, What device???
 xiaomi mi4
 it's from g+
 @Flohack https://plus.google.com/104798820055597165272/posts/F2WR71RbLKQ
 Hmm its a uszal port or smth special ? xD
 i have no idea :D
 it's from same shen though
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 @UniversalSuperBox, mal from #salfishos-porters did work on hybris-15 tree, but it was only build-tested so far
 @NotKit, where can i find this hybris 15?
 check repos at https://github.com/mlehtima, it's not uploaded yet to mer-hybris
 thanks!
 Anyone know how to get An box running on 16.04 Ubuntu touch?
 @KiritoDX, What device do you have
 Nexus 5
 Anbox images are stored on cdimage.ubports.com
 However, hammerhead image has not been posted
 They are in the works, but all the bugs specific to each device needs to be worked out.
 I thought the support was built into 16.10?
 No
 It's not
 To my knowledge it's device specific
 Ahh OK. So would you install the img from recovery or through snapd ?
 I'll have to dig it up... But if I can recall it's installed thru the ubports recovery
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 Sorry for the noob questions lol, after reading about it couldn't figure out why it wouldn't install.
 No worries. I'm noobish too. I'm struggling with porting SailfishOS to my OnePlus 5.
 What ya struggling with? Anyone you know been able to dual boot android and UT?
 Tried multiform but cant get it to boot android all the way after
 Multirom
 Wifi, cellular, sound... to name a few don't work. But it boots into the GUI
 Got the vendor blobs?
 I booted Ubuntu touch and Android on my Nexus 5 about two years ago
 You'll need to get the modded multirom specific to ubports to get it to work
 Damn, lol back to the hunt I guess. So do you have the device tree and vendor blobs for yours?
 Anyone have experience with Eagle? I'm having trouble learning it. Just direct message me a link to a practical tutorial for of mother boards, I'll figure the rest out.
 It's for Ubuntu touch, and to use helium to install it.
 Halium*
 https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/using-eagle-schematic
 @wollie88, Thank you. I appreciate it a lot.
 @popescu_sorin, How?? via bootloader or something else??
 Designing my own phone board, but learning Eagle ground up because I'm learning I can't rely on my friends.
 Do you have a electronics background ?
 Barely, from following tutorials and wiring guilt parts. So I'll be safe on voltages and soldering. But ground up is very new.
 I dont want to discourage you but designing building and debugging a phone mainboard from the ground up isnt exactly a one man job.
 I'm aware, my friends and aquitaine, just turned out to be unreliable.
 I work in electronics and have some years of experience, if you want to you can message me when you need some guidance
 @wollie88, Thank you, will do.
 As I have only the phone, u don't have search in telegram, so sorry for the duplicate question - is it possible to run desktop apps with the external display connected
 @G, Yes, also without it
 You have to set up libertine
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
 @dkvish, i don't know :/
[09:41] <tgBot1> <shen feng> I found MI4 author and his source
[09:42] <tgBot1> <shen feng> @wayneoutthere, I found MI4 author and his source
[09:43] <tgBot1> <shen feng> @Flohack, I found MI4 author and his source，https://github.com/kuailexs/android
 Wow. I can smell one more supported device! 😆
[09:46] <tgBot1> <shen feng> He is also the MI4 author of sailfish
[09:46] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 393x166) https://irc.ubports.com/834fmZEo/file_4118.jpg
[09:47] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 780x253) https://irc.ubports.com/AhWadlGK/file_4120.jpg
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 @maxxxroma, Welcome!
[09:53] <tgBot1> <shen feng> http://www.miui.com/thread-11986832-1-1.html
 Cool!
 Can we find out if he speaks english? This port is made with the old porting base, but we need him to try halium port, so we are upwards compatible
[09:59] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 598x800) https://irc.ubports.com/bzqJ6BEf/file_4122.jpg
[09:59] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 598x800) https://irc.ubports.com/7fVqQPk6/file_4123.jpg
[09:59] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 598x800) https://irc.ubports.com/yjwtvty2/file_4121.jpg
[09:59] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 598x800) https://irc.ubports.com/mNjXPXcQ/file_4124.jpg
[09:59] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 598x800) https://irc.ubports.com/QweiroK2/file_4125.jpg
[09:59] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 598x800) https://irc.ubports.com/lVqyQX0Z/file_4124.jpg
[10:02] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 861x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/tyDY0EpY/file_4127.jpg
[10:04] <tgBot1> <shen feng> @Flohack, Although he found him, but I temporarily can not contact him
 Ok thanks for the pictures but I think its enough now ;)
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 @Flohack someone else started working on halium base for this device. Mattia i think .. he's not that free lately though
 @saidinesh5, Ok we need to merge efforts.
 News alert!
 https://twitter.com/lanux_mage/status/961546655114940416
 Do you plan to sell phones customized and installed Ubuntu ?
 @hwpplayer1, UBports will not sell phones themselves, we are a foundation, not a company focused on business like that. But if there is a hardware partner who is willing to pre-install Ubuntu Touch, it can be done. #BQ has done in the past
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/hw38JCo3/file_4128
 @garrogarri, Thank you!
 @G, you're welcome
 @Flohack, If i may help for this coordination is it okay for you ?
 @hwpplayer1, You can found any compüany you like =)
 I'll talk with PR Canonical after 12 February she is busy now
 I'm travelling with work in the US (West Coast) until 12th Feb so responses may be delayed. If urgent, please message me.  She said
 What you need from Canonical ?
 To become partner for business
 Hmm ok but you can do this already now, I don´t know if Canonical will have better resources than what you can find on the Internet. Also; Canonical is not very interested in the phone anymore.
 (Sticker, 512x489) https://irc.ubports.com/Jgdlp0aH/file_4129
 Hi excuse me for writing here. I encountered this issue with ubport installer. When it run computer get really hot and the van goes all the way. And it goes really slow when saying download of 1 of 12 files. Tried on Windows 7 and lubuntu 16.04.
 Can't get to install ubport on a nexus 5 :(
 @Gabriele, Try a different usb cable. We can provide detailed help @WelcomePlus
 htcdev
 @Gabriele, We must catch that van! 😹
 Hi guys, do you know what modules/audio drivers are used by UT? I tried the following command: … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav … 1) In a terminal window, everything runs smoothly … 2) In a libertine container, I got the following bunch of errors: … root@ubuntu-phablet:/# aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav  … ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' … ALSA lib conf.c:4259:(_snd_config
[12:41] <tgBot1> snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such file or directory … ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings … ALSA lib conf.c:4259:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such file or directory … ALSA lib confmisc.c:1251:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name … ALSA lib conf.c:4259:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or directory … ALSA lib conf.c:4738:(snd_c
[12:41] <tgBot1> error: No such file or directory … ALSA lib pcm.c:2239:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default … aplay: main:722: audio open error: No such file or directory  … Am I missing something? Or is it related to Mir? Because when running vlc, I can hear audio! Any ideas?
 @KiritoDX, you can do dual boot manually,  … 1- install UT … 2- copy system.img for data partition (in recovery mode add pull /data/system.img) … 3- Install android … 4- push system.img to data (adb push system.img /data/) … 5- You can use android without anything to do … 6- If you want run UT, just reboot to bootloader, and run fastboot boot boo.img (or ubport-boot.img if halium)
 @Walid, What device are you referring to?
 @Walid, i believe the last command is "fastboot flash boot boo.img"
 you missed the flash part
 @saidinesh5, Yes, hwcomposer works but i've got some Little problem
 @Gravo, the sound should go through PulseAudio
 not sure if there is ALSA compatibility set up
 @NotKit, I just checked all the installed packages in the phone via dpkg, installing missing ones in the container...but always the same errors
 no, I mean... you check this through aplay, which uses ALSA
 VLC probably outputs through PulseAudio by default, and that's what needed for apps
 "1) In a terminal window, everything runs smoothly … 2) In a libertine container, I got the following bunch of errors:" - ah, read your message wrong, sorry
 @NotKit, Don't worry...anyway, thanks! 👍
 check /etc/asound.conf outside of Libertine
 or ~/.asoundrc (unlikely)
 @vanyasem, no, this just to boot UT, if he reboot phone, android will start
 oh okay
 @TronFortyTwo, moto g 2014, but you can do it at any device
 @NotKit, It doesn't exist...as well as ~/.asoundrc 😞
 ls /etc/alsa … ls /usr/share/alsa
 Under /etc/ there's no alsa folder! Under /usr/share/alsa/ there are 3 *.conf files: alsa.conf (I think this is the main one), pulse-alsa.conf, smixer.conf
 I can't update my n5 to rc 24, now I'm on rc 23 but it says "the softwareis up to date" 😢
 @Gravo, You will need to use pulseaudio (paplay). ALSA is not used exactly. The audio is an Android thing and we use it via the hybris layer to use the Android HAL
 I'm not entirely sure how audio from apps in libertine gets played. I think there is some magic to make pulseaudio available via dbus or such
 @dohbee, Oh, good to know!
 @dohbee, Ok, thanks!
[15:13] <zzarr> hello!
[15:13] <zzarr> what is the status of anbox?
[15:14] <Beton> Hello
[15:14] <Beton> as far as I know it works on 16.04
[15:15] <zzarr> nice
[15:16] <zzarr> I am getting a Planet Computers - Gemini PDA, a device that runs both Android and normal Linux
[15:16] <zzarr> they have shown that Debian boots/works on it
[15:16] <zzarr> so installing Ubuntu should be easy
[15:18] <zzarr> is it possible to install the Play store in anbox and install other apps through it?
 @zzarr, I'm working on UBPorts port for it
 I guess Play Store in Anbox is possible with some hacks, but you can use Yalp Store as well
[15:25] <Beton> Anbox site says that you can install Play Store
 It requires some changes in kernel config i think, so the ubuntu images have to be built to specifically support anbox. Currently only a few devices have that, I think.
[15:36] <zzarr> okey
[15:36] <zzarr> thanks
[15:48] <zzarr> I thought of something, would it be possible to run the android part in a vm with it's own kernel?
 I'm trying to start a new translation at the weblate site, in the UBports Docs /Documentation: about project. When I click "Start new translation", I get "Failed to add new translation file!". Are some special permissions needed for that?
 Hello, is there a way to let youtube play in the browser, even when the phone is locked? There are a lot of yt vids i rather listen to than watch.
 @zzarr, i mean, i guess if you want to run a full android in a VM, it's probably possible, but not advisable
 @zzarr, No, very complicated bc of hardware access. How to virtualize all drivers
 it is not how the anbox support in ubports will work, for sure
 @savetier, You can use utweaktool i think to force browser to stay alive
 you can do it only for youtube webapp instead, i think, to avoid having it always doing that in the main browser
 there's no way to do it per-site in the main browser
 Fwd from EverythingTechnology: “Biggest iPhone Code Leak?” — Source Code Of The Most Critical Part Of iOS Dumped On GitHub … http://ift.tt/2nRwQVV … @EverythingTechnology via reddit http://ift.tt/2EsAwHS
 little offtopic maybe, but someone here could be interested
 Good job it was removed! :)
 @popeydc, Yeah, DMCA
 well, it still should be possible to find by whoever who wants it
 @dohbee, Thank you very much, Rodney, that did do the trick ;)
 any idea where rotation lock stores the rotation it locks?
 @NotKit, a gsettings key, iirc
 https://github.com/ubports/unity8/commit/cc8051f66bf3569eb2dd6824d7c630a4d6f5a169 - I fount this commit, but it seems it was removed from current version/wasn't merged
 2014 was a loooooooooong time ago
 the rotation lock indicator didn't even exist then i do't think
 (I don't actually want rotation lock indicator, just to make sure it's landscape by default)
[16:25] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> From a user perspective, is there any big difference running the 15 stable vdrsk
[16:25] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Version to switching to the devel/16 one?
[16:26] <zzarr> I'm here again, but I'll be going in about 5 mins
[16:26] <zzarr> my IRC had problems
[16:28] <Beton> zzarr: you got some responses after you go
[16:29] <Beton> "<dohbee> @zzarr, i mean, i guess if you want to run a full android in a VM, it's probably possible, but not advisable", "<Flohack> @zzarr, No, very complicated bc of hardware access. How to virtualize all drivers"
[16:31] <zzarr> thanks for those lines Beton, I understand, I thought it was some reason that's not the solution in the first place
 zzarr, currently you need Android kernel and hybris anyway...
 @Jimmie Johnsson, well, 16.04 is not stable, so yeah, that's a pretty big difference
[16:32] <zzarr> will (if) google moving to there new kernel complicate anbox stuff very much?
 @NotKit, Free software developers shouldn't really look at it.
 several apps don't work, some features are not on par with what's in stable yet, etc
[16:32] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @dohbee yeah i understand that, but asides from that is there any big diff in user experience?
 the basics are the same
 the big difference in user experience is things are not stable. hence it is the devel branch :)
 @popeydc, I guess free software developers better avoid fully locked platform in the first place :)
[16:33] <zzarr> thanks for all the input, I will be moving now
[16:34] <zzarr> I will stay logged in so I can read the discussion tomorrow
 @popeydc, i don't look at code at all. i just smash keys and run the compiler, and it somehow manages to work
[16:34] <zzarr> bye
[16:34] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Ok. Kind of thinkin about messing around with the keyboard layout, if i manage to make any kind of progress with it and wanna contribute its better to be developing in main?
[16:35] <Beton> bye bye, zzarr
 @Jimmie Johnsson, you can create keyboard layouts and fix bugs in the keyboard, all straight on a PC. you don't need to switch the OS version on the phone to do it, unless you want to test the changes on that version on a device
[16:38] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> I think i will need to run it on the phone. Wanna fiddle around with it and see if i can make it feel smoother and nicer.
 Hi! Where is that UBports stores official images?
 on system-image.ubports.com
 but if you're looking for a zip file to flash with TWRP or such, you won't find one
 @dohbee, I know I know😂😂
 I😉
 https://hastebin.com/okeriwatid.cs
 @maharudra108, Bro check the error i can't figure out what to do
 @popeydc, Yeah, we still use that. then we have to mirror that. any time set when it will be killed?
 maybe better to ask for help with that in the halium group
 @mariogrip, no set date.
 @popeydc, ok, but will get that mirrored asap, will ping u once im done :)
 thanks!
 @wagafo, Hello.  @UniversalSuperBox is this a 'documentation' question and workflow or a 'UBlangs' question/workflow?  There is a link back and forth and we should sort this out.  For now if you could kindly respond since it's in documentation that would be great.
 @wayneoutthere, Probably it is more general than a "Documentation" question, since it may happen with any new translation in weblate that needs to add a language.
 right.
 what's your mother tongue?
 I'm trying to translate into Catalan (but it is not my mother tongue...)
 no problem.  but what is your monther tongue (I have a reason for asking)
 Well, hard to say, I was born Spanish speaking but I've lived in a Catalan speaking country for 40 years now, but this is off-topic, isn't it?
 Users are not allowed to add new languages because of how Sphinx works. If there's a large enough community around a language that we can expect the docs to be fully translated and updated in reasonable time (which would be Wayne's decision), we can open a new language up.
 Not really.  It's related to UBports.  And i'm helping with community stuff
 Catalan is already a fully translated language in most projects, this request is just for a couiple of projects that were recently added.
 last question for you: are you part of both catalan and spanish speaking groups here?
 Here's the languages that have full i18n support in Sphinx: http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/stable/config.html#confval-language
 I'm not part of the Spanish translation group
 I can add other languages, but they don't get the little headings like "note" translated.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Well, Catalan is in there...
 @wagafo, this is main group: https://t.me/UBPorts_ES … we are right now working on 'community structure stuff' so this is important because there are still some disconnections as well as some bridges we need.  Thanks for your feedback.
 But what has the Spanish group to do with my request? Spanish is a different language than Catalan
 My request is higher level.  I understand they are different
 i'm trying to figure out connection between language groups, language translation groups and documentation
 and thanks for your help/feedback and Dalton will help you with the rest
 (I think he did)
 Fine. I still don't understand fully this conversation. Catalan is listed in the Sphynx page that Dalton mentioned, but I get an error when I click "Add new language" at those couple o projects recently added in weblate
 Right, you can't add it.
 I have to add it.
 So that's why I asked if the community is large enough
 Because each language adds more fun
 But it is already added in all projects, even in yunit it is one of the only three languages fully translated. It is just in UBports DOcs and Webpage where it is not added
 And the community is pretty large
 Okay, I'll add it to my list of things to do
 @Flohack, were you ever able to get the translations committed?
 Thanks a lot Dalton and Wayne!
 @wagafo, thank you also for your hard work!
[18:41] <Beton> I know C, C++ and Lua, I know basics of C++ QT library, but don't know QML (I usually use other libraries), is there any thing I can help with Ubuntu Touch with my skills? I don't have any experience with contributing open-source projects. I want to try, but I don't know how to start.
 @Beton, https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiQqoSU_pbZAhXmDcAKHZ_iDegQFggvMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fqmlbook.github.io%2Fassets%2Fqt5_cadaques.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0WeTKuAX5-1hhnNNYP0QSH
 ugh google links
 @Beton, not all contributions need be code
 testing and filing bugs, is contribution
 And I think I made an error link
 documentation is contribution
 you can go through all the issues in the repositories under https://github.com/ubports if you want, and find something to work on, or if you already have an idea of something to work on, just do it and make a PR
[19:01] <Beton> @dohbee I know, I made some translations, but I want to try contribute with code. Do I need some special tools, or simple IDE is enough?
 well, a github account and git knowledge would probably be helpful
[19:02] <Beton> I know git and I'm using it for my projects.
 but first you need to find something to work on, really.
 can you work on Unity8 bugs especially with convergence :P
 that's not helpful, Kugi :)
 just kidding sorry.....I did had my very first PR some time ago
 I think it would be better if he's really using UT and personally knows a bug that he really wants to fix
[19:07] <Beton> I have some ideas, but I have trouble involving myself to code written by somone else. I think its because I am home-taught programmer :P
 right
 how long have you been programming?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Will do today. Was lazy with resolving the huge merge conflict
 @JABUTIKO, And check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for more information about language groups and faqs.
 @Flohack, Seriously, just force it. I can update the pofiles again.
 @maxxxroma, And check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for more information about language groups and faqs.
 @Beton, I'm a bit the same....I don't like working on others work and I don't like others working on my work LOL but if you really want a bug to be fixed and you think you can do it yourself...you'll find tje courage
 it's actually fun 😄
[19:25] <Beton> @dohbee It's hard to say exactly how long, I started with programming microcontrollers in C around 2012 (before I wrote some code in BASCOM too), around 2013 I started writing scripts in Lua, and later programming in C and C++ on PC.
 so not long :)
 just get over the temporary shock and dive in
[19:56] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Is mir the dislay server used in the 16.4 devel branch too?
 Yes
[20:03] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Just started to dig in the code of the different components and saw that one sitting there
 there is no version of unity8 which doesn't require mir, currently
[20:06] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> From what i have read it runs gl and the hardware driver of the nexus gpu id freedreno. That sounds right?
[20:07] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Or is there some other one being bundled with ubuntu touch?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ok wilco
 @Jimmie Johnsson, no, the hardware drivers are the blobs in the android side used by the kernel
 Mir uses EGL though
 or on PCs, normal GL is used
[20:16] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Yeah i noticed that it uses egl. And i looked at spreadsheet of the drivers attached to different gpus of qualcomm. The one that runs on nexus names the freedreno for adreno 330 (gpu of nexus 5). Curious if that is bundled in the android kernel of this one
[20:17] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Or if it is using something else
 https://docs.ubports.com/ro/latest/porting/running-ut.html#display-settings
 is there a way to make sure those settings got actually picked up?
 @NotKit, Did stuff get scaled? :)
 not exactly sure, but looks like it did
 NATIVE_ORIENTATION=landscape did nothing though
 Then yes, probably.
 To see if your device is set right, do `dmesg |grep 'device is'`
 I think that's the line at least
 [    6.286965] initrd: device is aeon6797_6m_n
 ok, I guessed device name right
 any idea what daemon is responsible for detecting rotation then?
 @NotKit, there is none. rotation is done inside the shell and apps, through qt
 but there must be some component that reads the sensor values and reports it to shell/apps?
 @Jimmie Johnsson, There is Freedreno which theoretically works, but I don't think the Android kernels are using that.
 @NotKit, sensord maybe? i'm not sure if it does rotation specifically, but i guess it probably proxies accelerometer data over from hybris
[20:35] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @dohbee anyone tried playing around with it (freedreno)?
 in relation to UT, i don't know. i know that the dragonboard stuff was using it though
 with the mir kiosk stuff on snappy
[20:38] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> It would be cool to look into it. I always had a weak spot for gl. But im sensing it could be a daunting task to make it work with the rest of the android kernel. Also, not sure if it would give any benefit compared to whatever is bundled in android already
 @dohbee, https://github.com/ubports/usensord - usensord?
 yeah, usensord
 @Jimmie Johnsson, Well, I mean you would still need all the other binary blobs on the device to use radio or anything, so there isn't a huge benefit to using freedreno in that case
 from code it looks it only has haptic
 it seems something is wrong with AppArmor config on my device though: https://bpaste.net/show/aeb2f21d3a67
[20:48] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Well, found an libEGL_adreno.so in the system/vendor/lib/egl dir on the phone - so yeah it probably is already running the freedno driver i would guess )
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 @Jimmie Johnsson, no, it's running Android driver
 Freedreno would require it to run mainline kernel
 @NotKit, No, those look expected
 browser and lots of other apps won't start though
[20:55] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @NotKit so that library file is just sitting there unused or it just isnt the freedreno one?
 isn't the freedreno one
 Freedreno would use MESA
[20:57] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @NotKit ah. Anyone know the freedreno one is better than whatever android ships?
 it's open source alternative, probably worse performance/feature wise, but is way better in compatibility with normal Linux userspace
 using it with phone would require mainline or at least fairly new kernel compared to what is shipped with Android
 @Jimmie Johnsson, No. It's using EGL through Android via libhybris.
 I think the best demonstration of the performance of Freedreno will be the devices which run Replicant for now
 it's also used on few postmarketOS devices
 Hello. Do you have any idea when the Ubworks 16.04 openstore will be functional?
[21:05] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Ah. So that is why ppl havent tried out freedreno with ubuntu touch?
 @NotKit, on 16.04? that is a known issue currently yes
 em, really? from what I read on channel, it should be mostly functionality-same to vivid
 @NotKit, nope, even calc is broken
 calc seems to start
[21:13] <tgBot1> atulyadavofficial was added by: ksdme
 @Jimmie Johnsson, The cost/benefit ratio is very high. Getting one more free driver, while the rest are still binary blobs, and with probably less performance, isn't generally helpful to getting things working smoothly
 @NotKit, browser is broken (and thus webapps too i think), a few apps will work, but mostly it is not as stable as vivid, no
 @vanyasem, here's a video from a working port. as you can see, most apps crash or are unusable
 calc starts, but does not work at all
 that's HTC 10 btw and the performance is amazing
 well, is this the same on official devices though?
 @NotKit, yes
 mostly yes
 having Anbox without browser feels weird to me
 @NotKit, 16.04 is not released yet, so it's supposed to be broken
 it's in early alpha stage. i'm glad that it boots
 i remember Unity 8 refused to start a few months ago and so you could not even finish setup process. that's big progress
 btw, calc accepts input from hw keyboard
 I guess something is wrong with touch events
 @NotKit, i can't test that, but it's weird
 i trust you :P
 @vanyasem, well it's not supposed to be broken. it's just that a lot of the work that went into 16.04 by canonical isn't applicable to just keeping ubuntu working on phones, and so there's a bit of difficulty in getting things up to par
 iirc a lot of the apps need to be rebuilt against updated libs in 16.04 among other things
 @Lyokanthrope, what actually shipped in ubuntu 16.04 is way behind what was in the last 15.04 images, and what shipped in the phone PPA for 16.04 was way ahead and focused more on a migration to snaps and getting unity8 usable as a default environment for 18.04; which now is not happening of course
[21:28] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @dohbee, Yeah i would agree, sounds like be a lot of work for a small gain. Weml
 and all the trunks of projects were at that latter point, so it's going to take a lot of work to pull out just the needed fixes for ubports, without going full snaps
[21:28] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> *well, thanks everyone for answering my questions.
 fair enough
[21:29] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Have a nice evening gonna hit the bed
 so the only working rootfs is still vivid, but it won't work with Halium?
 the goal is to switch to halium with 16.04, as i understand, yes
 16.04 "works" but it does have some issues
 I checed https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues and it seems browser is supposed to work
 It works on regular devices... it's possible that there's something different with Halium
 I don't have a working device to test with
 ah right, current supported devices on 16.04 on image server aren't built with halium
 should be worth debugging then
 on regular devices, what is the proper way to start apps from ssh?
 ubuntu-app-launch <appid>
 `ubuntu-app-launch-appids` to list available ones
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[00:38] <Guest19885> Does anyone know if they are discontinuing the global menu addon for Firefox?
[00:43] <MikeRL> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+packages Please tell me that you guys aren't removing global menu functionality from Firefox.
[00:55] <MikeRL> Anybody currently able to help? If not, I'll try again tomorrow morning...
[00:55] <MikeRL> It is the holidays anyhow.
[02:53] <MikeRL> Anybody able to help me?  I don't mean to nag, but I repost every few hour since there appears to be low activity here currently.
[02:53] <MikeRL> I mean hours.
[02:59] <MikeRL> Never mind. Answer recieved.


[00:32] <cjwatson> Laney: I'm not seeing much else in the way of Haskell stuff coming through NEW now, BTW, so I think the rest will need uploads/syncs
[00:34] <cjwatson> the Debian equivalent of the ghc tracker is less than 100% useful due to the lack of the .package test in is_bad
[00:37] <Laney> I think that haskell-dummy might be messing it up there
[00:37] <Laney> but I'm not sure
[00:37] <Laney> anyway, will look in more detail in the next few days
[00:41] <cjwatson> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ down about 200 from when I started attacking it earlier :-)
[00:41] <cjwatson> (mostly judicious retries and the odd rebuild)
[00:42] <cjwatson> and ocaml transition well underway
[00:42] <cjwatson> I think that's about two good days' work and I should go to bed
[11:03] <cjwatson> Laney: discussing hosting for the transition tracker with IS
[11:05] <Laney> cjwatson: cool. Will they want to build it (and therefore install an ocaml stack) or will shipping in a binary be ok?
[11:06] <cjwatson> *I'd* rather not ship in a binary :-)
[11:06] <cjwatson> I pushed a bzr-git clone of your branch to lp:~ubuntu-release/+junk/transition-tracker as a starting point
[11:07] <Laney> fair
[11:07] <cjwatson> not sure how we want to handle that branch - we could keep merging from your git branch, or we could move it to some team that includes at least ~ubuntu-release plus you, or we could do something else I haven't thought of ...
[11:08] <Laney> I'm not particularly wed to maintaining it, so if someone else wants to :-)
[11:10] <Laney> as in I can just do merge requests if need be
[11:14] <cjwatson> right, contrariwise I'm not a fan of the general approach of taking something that somebody was maintaining and putting it somewhere central where they no longer have access to it
[11:14] <cjwatson> maybe just an ubuntu-transition-tracker team
[11:15] <Laney> that works
[11:15] <Laney> I've heard there can be IS bureaucracy/lag around merging stuff from branches onto websites, so it'd be good to avoid that
[11:15] <Laney> thinking mainly of the .ben files themselves
[11:16] <cjwatson> it varies, most of the stuff I operate I have shell access to as well
[11:16] <cjwatson> though, well, maybe that's non-standard
[11:17]  * Laney shrugs
[11:17] <Laney> best would be if it were automated
[11:17] <cjwatson> right
[11:21] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-transition-trackers/+junk/transition-tracker now, then
[11:23]  * Laney wonders how well bzr-git works
[11:23] <cjwatson> it's pretty smooth nowadays
[11:24] <cjwatson> that was just bzr branch; bzr push
[12:52]  * ogra_ sees https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/highlighting-kate/0.2.9-1/+build/2467254 and wonders if skaet knows that we have a package for that :)
[13:51] <highvoltage> lol


[04:31] <mup> Bug #2012274 changed: 50-maas-01-commissionin failed <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012274>
[04:40] <mup> Bug #2012274 opened: 50-maas-01-commissionin failed <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012274>
[04:43] <mup> Bug #2012274 changed: 50-maas-01-commissionin failed <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012274>


[12:30] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[12:33] <LarstiQ> heya mpt
[12:37] <mpt> It's a bright and chilly morning here in Dunedin
[12:37] <LarstiQ> I wish it was chilly here in Den Haag
[01:34] <abentley-gaim> Is there any lag between uploading an SSH key and being able to push using bzr?
[02:39] <stub> ??signal
[02:41] <abentley-gaim> Someone set us up the bomb.
[06:43] <stub> Launchpad will be going down in 15 mins for its regular code update
[06:44] <stub> Launchpad will be going down in 15 mins for its regular code update. Downtime should be around 15 mins.
[07:45] <jamesh> stub: did the sprint meeitng export fix I merged last night make it into this rollout?
[07:45] <stub> jamesh: Yes. My telepathy is back online temporarily.
[07:46] <jamesh> thanks
[08:01] <ajmitch> evening mpt_ :)
[08:19] <SteveA> morning
[08:19] <SteveA> mpt_: ping
[09:02] <sivang> morning
[09:13] <stub> What is the magic to generate a class on the fly, assembled from a list of subclasses?
[09:14] <spiv> stub: type('name', bases, attrs_dict)
[09:14] <stub> Ta
[09:52] <carlos> morning
[09:58] <carlos> SteveA, jordi: Occitan and Amharic mailing lists are created
[09:59] <SteveA> good
[10:10] <SteveA> jamesh: ping
[10:11] <jamesh> SteveA: pong
[11:11] <jamesh> lifeless: btw, the tickcount extension is ready to be packaged: sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad/tickcount/devel/
[11:12] <jamesh> lifeless: you can either add the debian rules directly to the branch or run "make dist" to get a tarball base.
[11:12] <lifeless> ok, thanks
[11:12] <lifeless> wont be this week - focused on the sprint - but will be shortly after
[12:46] <bradb> lifeless: Is the answer to this question correct?
[12:46] <bradb> https://launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadHackingFAQ#head-451fd4372e4a0e7e1305a403e98dc3b173140f5f
[12:46] <bradb> lifeless: BjornT says it should be "Yes."
[12:48] <spiv> bradb: it should be yes.
[12:53] <bradb> spiv: Thanks. We updated the wording of the question (e.g. lifeless thinks it's confusing that "standalone" was referred to as a "story", etc.) and corrected the answer
[01:00] <carlos> spiv: do we have a way to use librarian with sampledata?
[01:01] <Znarl> stub : Ping?
[01:02] <Znarl> stub : Launchpad logs have reached 1.8gigs and are slowing down chinstrap.
[01:10] <spiv> carlos: Yes, so long as the test that wants the sampledata first uploads it...
[01:10] <carlos> spiv: hmm that's a 'no' for me ;-)
[01:11] <spiv> carlos: So, no pre-canned sampledata, but the librarian is otherwise fully functional, so you can upload and then download from it in tests :)
[01:11] <carlos> that's not sampledata for me ;-)
[01:11] <carlos> at least it's not 'real' sampledata
[01:11] <carlos> spiv: would be possible to add that feature in the future?
[01:12] <spiv> Well, you could make a LibrarianTestSetup subclass that does this.
[01:12] <carlos> well, I was thinking more a way to do 'make schema'
[01:12] <spiv> The problem is that the librarian stores stuff outside of the database.
[01:12] <carlos> and be able to use launchpad with some librarian files imported
[01:13] <spiv> And, well, where would it put its files?
[01:13] <carlos> spiv: sure, I'm thinking on someway to generate a tarball where we could store a default librarian tree
[01:14] <carlos> and that with something like:  'make librarian' untars it and we get a tarball that matches our db sampledata
[01:14] <carlos> sorry, /tarball/librarian tree/
[01:15] <spiv> To answer my own question: I guess it could use config.librarian.server.root.
[01:15] <spiv> (I was mistakenly thinking the librarian test setup used a temporary directory)
[01:15] <carlos> spiv: right
[01:16] <spiv> There'd be no reason to use a tarball, there's nothing wrong with plain files.
[01:16] <stub> Znarl: ok
[01:16] <spiv> I'm not really sure that this offers any advantages over my suggestion to do it in your test or test setup, though.
[01:17] <carlos> spiv: well, that tree is not going to be updated because the librarian tree is used from /var/tmp/fatsam.test
[01:17] <spiv> Which requires less infrastructure and would be less error prone.
[01:18] <spiv> So you're worried about optimising it?
[01:18] <spiv> We have much bigger test suite performance issues to worry about :)
[01:18] <spiv> The starting and stopping the librarian process every pagetest, for instance.  stub is working on avoiding that cost.
[01:19] <carlos> spiv: the answer to the question about why would we want this: https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/31725
[01:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31725 in rosetta "Sampledata should include a translation queue entry" [Medium,Unconfirmed]
[01:20] <spiv> Ah, so this is for playing with the webapp locally?
[01:20] <carlos> right
[01:20] <carlos> for pagetests, I agree 100% with you that we should do the uploads
[01:20] <spiv> Sorry, I thought you were talking about tests (which is why I kept talking about them) :)
[01:21] <spiv> Well, I don't 100% agree that we should do the way I suggest for tests, more like 80% or 90% ;)
[01:22] <carlos> spiv: well, for me is the best way to test exactly what you want without breaking many tests when the sampledata changes ;-)
[01:22] <spiv> But right, I'd be happy for there to be a 'librarian_data' or similar make target that is invoked as part of 'make schema'.
[01:23] <carlos> spiv: storing it as a subtree in our bzr tree or as a tarball?
[01:23] <spiv> As a plain tree.
[01:23] <spiv> A tarball doesn't offer any benefits I can see, and just makes it harder to update the sampledata.
[01:24] <carlos> spiv: ok
[01:24] <spiv> And harder to inspect the sampledata.
[01:24] <carlos> yeah, that's right
[01:25] <spiv> It should live in database/sampledata/librarian, I think.
[01:26] <carlos> yeah, makes sense
[01:28] <spiv> carlos: the problem is I rarely actually run the webapp locally, but I run tests a lot :)
[01:28] <carlos> it's useful for new pages or UI changes
[01:28] <carlos> for bug fixes, it's useless
[02:10] <carlos> later
[05:53] <flacoste> I got weird failures after submitting my branch for merging to PQM
[05:53] <flacoste> anybody can help?
[05:53] <spiv> flacoste: pastebin it?
[05:58] <flacoste> spiv: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileCLSqVH.html
[05:59] <flacoste> looked to me likes these should have passed
[06:05] <spiv> flacoste: they do, yeah.
[06:05] <flacoste> what should I do in case like these?
[06:06] <spiv> flacoste: And if I compare those strings with doctest directly, it passes.
[06:07] <spiv> There's no missing voodoo I know of.
[06:07] <spiv> Those are just plain weird errors.
[06:07] <spiv> Where's the branch?
[06:08] <flacoste> sftp://chinstrap/home/warthogs/archives/flacoste/launchpad/ticket-tracker-bug40084/
[06:08] <spiv> Well, one of them is a real error...
[06:08] <spiv> (the
+notificationtest3 error

[06:08] <spiv> one)
[06:09] <flacoste> indeed, and that's caused because LaunchpadView now doesn't render on redirect
[06:10] <flacoste> so, I should change the test there for sure
[06:10] <flacoste> and maybe the other ones have the same problem
[06:11] <flacoste> i.e. empty body makes doesn't match the ...
[06:11] <spiv> Well, the other ones all have Content-Length: 0, but that shouldn't cause them all to fail.
[06:14] <BjornT> flacoste: that's correct, ... doesn't match <BLANKLINE>. so if you made the page have an empty body, you have to remove the last ...
[06:14] <flacoste> will do, thanks for the help!
[06:14] <spiv> BjornT: weird that I don't see that when using doctest directly.
[06:15] <BjornT> spiv: it depends on if you use NORMALIZE_WHITESPACE or not. if you don't specify that flag, they will match.
[06:15] <BjornT> NORMALIZE_WHITESPACE is turned on in our pagetests
[06:15] <spiv> Ah.
[06:16] <BjornT> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/267
[06:17] <spiv> BjornT: Hmm, not even then, actually.
[06:18] <spiv> BjornT: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileiLR7hA.html says they match, even with ELLIPSIS + NORMALIZE_WHITESPACE
[06:20] <BjornT> spiv: right. i said that if you don't specify it, they will match. i.e. specify only ELLIPSIS
[06:20] <BjornT> at least i meant to say it.
[06:20] <spiv> BjornT: They match without it too.
[06:22] <spiv> BjornT: If you could tweak that paste to reproduce the failure, I'd like to see it :)
[06:22] <spiv> But for now, it's bedtime...
[06:24] <BjornT> spiv: hmm. either something wrong with that test you pasted, or it got fixed in upstream python...
[06:29] <spiv> BjornT: I tried with both doctest.py files in the launchpad+zope tree, too :)
[06:29] <spiv> BjornT: So I presume it's something wrong with my attempt to replicate the conditions of flacoste's failure, but I don't know what.
[09:46] <djk_> how do you delete a launchpad-account?
[09:47] <mongolito404> Hoi. I'm in charge of writing a PHP software that will probably use Rosetta for translation. I'm totally new to Rosetta and to i18n and a bit lost. Where should I look for Rosetta usable i18n technology in PHP ?
[10:17] <flacoste> i'm entangled in a bazaar merge puzzle
[10:18] <kiko> flacoste, what's up?
[10:18] <kiko> hey bradb
[10:18] <flacoste> i've got a new branch which I started from rocketfuel from yesterday
[10:18] <bradb> hey kiko
[10:18] <kiko> okay so far
[10:18] <kiko> bradb, got my email?
[10:19] <flacoste> it's called ticket-makebug-fixes
[10:19] <bradb> kiko: i did indeed
[10:19] <kiko> bradb, looked okay to you?
[10:19] <flacoste> it's for working on bug #3849 and bug #50007
[10:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3849 in launchpad-support-tracker "No navigation to bug report created from a support request" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3849
[10:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50007 in launchpad-support-tracker "When filing a bug related to the support tracker, the summary and description should be editable" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50007
[10:19] <kiko> flacoste, cool
[10:20] <flacoste> since it build on the changes in ticket-tracker-bug-40084 which wasn't merged yet in rocketfuel
[10:20] <flacoste> i merged that branch in ticket-makebug-fixes
[10:20] <kiko> okay so far
[10:20] <bradb> kiko: Yup. Those have basically been the hot topics so far.
[10:21] <flacoste> now, I'm done with the fixes and ticket-tracker-bug-40084 was merged this afternoon in rocketfuel
[10:21] <kiko> okay great
[10:22] <kiko> bradb, thats very cool
[10:22] <flacoste> I synced up rocketfuel but now when I do a bzr diff -r ancestor:../rocketfueld/launchpad I see that it would want to apply changes that were merged from ticket-tracker-40084 to rocketfuel
[10:22] <bradb> e.g. xmlrpc, release bug management, bug-reporting-tool, drinking-from-the-firehouse (dealing with large volumes of bug reports), etc.
[10:22] <kiko> flacoste, and indeed it would
[10:23] <kiko> because once you merged those revisions into your tree
[10:23] <kiko> they are "yours"
[10:23] <flacoste> i though that bazaar was able to see that the same set of changes was merged in both tree!
[10:24] <flacoste> guess, i've credited bazaar with too much cleverness
[10:24] <kiko> flacoste, it's not really possible to calculate that delta
[10:24] <kiko> because, well, if you depend on the features in the branch
[10:24] <kiko> then how can you expect your merge to RF to work?
[10:24] <kiko> i.e. you require some method added in that branch
[10:25] <flacoste> because I won't merge until the other branch is also merged :-)
[10:25] <kiko> how would your branch merged against RF without the prerequisite branch know
[10:25] <kiko> oh
[10:26] <flacoste> ticket-makebug-fixes is really the continuation of ticket-tracker-bug-40084
[10:27] <flacoste> i'll just save between this two and apply it to a brand new branch from rocketfuel, that will work
[10:27] <flacoste> s/save/save the diff/
[10:27] <kiko> that would work indeed
[10:28] <matsubara> flacoste: did you try bzr diff -r branch:../rocketfuel/launchpad ? AIUI, ancestor compares you current branch against the last branch you have from ancestor.
[10:28] <flacoste> well, the doc says that ancestor: is used for the merge, so I thought I should use that one
[10:28] <flacoste> it's probable that bzr diff -r branch: would work
[10:29] <flacoste> well, it does work but also shows me all the new stuff in rocketfuel
[10:30] <flacoste> when I tried bzr merge ../rocketfuel/launchpad, I did get conflicts on the files related to ticket-tracker-bug-40084
[10:44] <kiko> does anyone know if a rollout is scheduled for this week?
[10:44] <kiko> SteveA?
[10:45] <SteveA> kiko: there was a rollout this morning.
[10:45] <kiko> SteveA, oh, fabulous!
[10:45] <kiko> SteveA, do you know what revision level?
[10:46] <SteveA> look at the wiki page
[10:46] <SteveA> https://launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadProductionStatus
[10:46] <kiko> amazing!
[10:48] <kiko> fab
[10:48] <SteveA> f.a.b.
[10:48] <kiko> matsubara, interesting to see what timeouts we get tomorrow -- hopefully my work has helped us!
[10:49] <kiko> if everything worked out as well as I hope it did I now need to get the +translations page finally under control
[10:49] <kiko> anyway
[10:49] <kiko> outta here!
[10:56] <djk_> how do you delete a launchpad-account?


[00:54] <lamont> can I extend a pv in lvm?  (ala resize2fs if it were just a normal partition)?
[00:55] <lamont> pvresize for the win
[16:35] <em> Hi, I think I may have found a bug in the ubuntu kernel. Can someone tell me an easy way to install an upstream kernel to check?
[16:35] <em> Im an ordinary user I don't have special skills.
[16:55] <em> I'm hoping to find a ppa for the mainline kernel.
[17:38] <psusi> I just attached a kernel patch to finally fix bug #153768.  Could anyone take a look and maybe apply it?  It is pretty simple and straightforward.
[17:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 153768 in udisks (Ubuntu) (and 4 other projects) "External SATA (eSATA) removable disk detected as system-internal (affects: 12) (dups: 4) (heat: 120)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153768
[17:40] <mjg59> psusi: Just parse ahci_port_cmd?
[17:41] <mjg59> You're still depending on the BIOS to know that it's an external port, so this isn't a guarantee
[17:41] <psusi> mjg59, two problems with that: 1) udev doesn't do bitwise comparisons and 2) ahci_port_cmd is in the wrong part of the sysfs tree so udev can't see it
[17:41] <psusi> yep, it isn't guaranteed, but it's better than nothing
[17:42] <mjg59> Its a property of the host, not of the device
[17:42] <psusi> that's the problem... the host device is not the parent of the device device
[17:43] <psusi> so udev doesn't see it as an attribute of the disk or its ancestry
[17:43] <mjg59> Well, adding bitwise comparison support to udev sounds useful
[17:43] <psusi> this arrangement is totally broken according to kay
[17:44] <psusi> it does... but the arrangement also needs fixed
[17:44] <mjg59> That also sounds worthwhile
[17:44] <mjg59> Adding sysfs ABI in a distribution-specific patch doesn't sound like as good a plan
[17:45] <psusi> exactly
[17:45] <psusi> hence, this patch
[17:45] <mjg59> ...which adds sysfs ABI
[17:45] <psusi> yea, but doesn't move a bunch around... just adds a new one
[17:46] <psusi> so no chance of breakage
[17:46] <mjg59> Right. That's probably not a good thing to add in a distribution-specific patch.
[17:46] <psusi> why?
[17:47] <mjg59> Because if it doesn't go upstream it'll have to be carried forever
[17:48] <psusi> well, yea... that's true of any patch
[17:48] <mjg59> No, ones that don't create ABI can be dropped
[17:49] <psusi> so could this, if you don't mind re breaking esata auto mounting
[17:49]  * psusi scratches his head
[17:49] <mjg59> No, even if this gets fixed properly you still can't drop the patch
[17:50] <mjg59> Because you have no idea what else might be using that ABI
[17:50] <mjg59> Users may depend on it
[21:31] <em> hey i have done everything I can to try to help out with reporting this bug is anything missing --- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/696164
[21:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 696164 in linux (Ubuntu) "HP Pavilion dv6 loses display permanently when lid is left closed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]


[12:40] <nixternal> i know imbrandon ;)
[12:41] <nixternal> imbrandon and Riddell, i know all about it!! but when I connected, it said I was the only one connected
[12:42] <nixternal> so your secret is good with me, as long as the money is good ;)
[12:45] <imbrandon> ??
[12:46] <imbrandon> nixternal: what are you talking about
[12:46] <nixternal> what opened this morning ;)
[12:46] <imbrandon> ohh
[12:46] <imbrandon> you listenting to voip ?
[12:46] <nixternal> i heard you say the whole world knows ;)
[12:46] <nixternal> yup
[12:46] <imbrandon> heh
[12:46] <nixternal> i listened to your koffice one too
[12:46] <nixternal> i have been listening to all kubuntu ones
[12:46] <imbrandon> you guys listen to the koffice one?
[12:46] <nixternal> i did
[12:47] <imbrandon> rockon
[12:47] <nixternal> that is why i was putting the XML info in the channel here hoping someone would grab it
[12:47] <imbrandon> this is the first i've looked at irc all day
[12:47] <nixternal> MS and Novell will confir on the XML standard
[12:47] <nixternal> and create patches for OOo
[12:47] <nixternal> so, I think KO2 will look at going that way, as that is how MS is proposing an "OPen Standard"
[12:48] <nixternal> im thinking less than 18 months as well...maybe as soon as next year
[12:48] <imbrandon> ok afk
[01:00] <Riddell> nixternal: eek!
[01:53] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkRoaming interesting
[02:02] <nixternal> yes it is working
[02:02] <nixternal> im listening to whoever is screaming into it
[02:16] <Lure_> Riddell: I was on network-roaming session - we need to review knetworkmanager impact
[03:02] <nixternal> imbrandon: shut off your phone - that is a lot of political stuff coming through ;)
[03:02] <nixternal> hahaa
[03:03] <nixternal> you guys are nuts
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal
[03:03] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:03] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[03:03] <nixternal> ahnold is republican!
[03:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you around?
[03:05] <nixternal> Hobbsee: he is in a room talking some trash right now ;)   i am listening to them
[03:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ahhhh....might be fun to listen to
[03:05] <nixternal> funny stuff today
[03:06] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what's the current time there?  looks like a good schedule
[03:07] <nixternal> 18:00
[03:07] <nixternal> they are just now finishing up
[03:07] <nixternal> that kind of sucks for you though ;(
[03:07] <Hobbsee> darn it.  indeed. i'm up late today
[03:07] <nixternal> but Hobbsee, i heard they will have the recordings later, now i don't know if that is every room though, or just sabdfl
[03:07] <Hobbsee> i would have liked the session that's just finishing
[03:07] <Hobbsee> i can read a wiki :P
[03:07] <nixternal> hehe
[03:09] <Hobbsee> if they'd written it
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hopefully i'll be able to get to some more of it on wednesday
[03:10] <nixternal> i was here all day long
[03:10] <nixternal> i feel sloppy from sitting in my chair all day
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:25] <DaSkreech> Allo
[03:26] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee, nixternal, bddebian: Hello :-)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[03:26] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[03:26] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech
[03:27] <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, you going to write the sru to get it in?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> to edgy?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> jdong: how's the forum stuff going?
[03:27] <jdong> Hobbsee: how tough are sru's to write?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> jdong: dunno, never written one.
[03:27] <crimsun> not difficult.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> jdong: you've got ot go thru mdz, etc i believe
[03:28] <jdong> yeah
[03:28] <jdong> can I cheat and use backports instead? :D
[03:28] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[03:28] <crimsun> if the fixes are invasive, you don't have a choice.
[03:28] <jdong> crimsun: is feisty not open to uploads yet?
[03:28] <crimsun> jdong: no
[03:28] <jdong> oh
[03:28] <jdong> hehe
[03:29] <jdong> I put the patches up on bug 70529
[03:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70529 in ktorrent "Two patches from upstream SVN" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70529
[03:29] <jdong> I'm gonna test those patches for a bit longer
[03:29] <jdong> anyone have some spare time and is willing to prepare a source package with those patches?
[03:30] <crimsun> that's you.
[03:30] <jdong> okie :)
[03:31] <jdong> that means no cheap shortcuts for me :D
[03:31] <Hobbsee> jdong: if you're hte backporter, and you're talking about cheap shortcuts, then i'm afraid.
[03:32] <jdong> Hobbsee: a few wildcards in debian/rules never hurt anyone :D
[03:33] <crimsun> you really don't want two members of backporters reading that.
[03:34] <jdong> joking, joking :)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> what'd i miss?
[03:41] <jdong> ok, proper debdiff uploaded to bug ticket
[03:41] <jdong> will take care of the rest of this SRU stuff when I'm more awake
[03:42] <Hobbsee> that was kinda fun....
[03:49] <crimsun> jdong: that's not a suitable SRU candidate.
[03:50] <crimsun> jdong: point #2 is a bit of a stretch but conceivable. point #1 is a feature addition and not suitable.
[03:50] <crimsun> jdong: I prefer a -backport request
[03:52] <Hobbsee> gah, how do i mute the system beep?  or turn it down
[03:53] <jdong> crimsun: yeah, I agree, it's not very -updates suited
[03:53] <jdong> crimsun: how would you feel about doing it as a manual upload to -backports?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hmm.  i found a bug
[03:54] <crimsun> jdong: I wouldn't have a problem with that.
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Sweet we closed more bugs than we opened two weeks ina row
[04:08] <jdong> crimsun: who would I contact to approve/disapprove of those patches for inclusion in feisty?
[05:08] <itsyou> hello
[05:08] <Hobbsee> heya
[05:09] <itsyou> developers here... right?
[05:09] <jdong> itsyou: something like that :)
[05:09] <jdong> and the occasional pseudo-developer :D
[05:10] <itsyou> well i need to get a request through the kernel developers
[05:10] <jdong> #ubuntu-kernel would be better
[05:10] <jdong> if any of them are awake at this time
[05:10] <itsyou> really? OK.
[05:10] <itsyou> let me go there. Thanks !
[05:10] <jdong> this is more of a kubuntu developers channel
[05:11] <jdong> stuff related to KDE or KDE packages here
[05:11] <Hobbsee> itsyou: they're all at a conference, and mostly at dinner at the moment
[05:11] <Hobbsee> itsyou: so you probably wont find them today
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Uptime: 2 hours and 20 minutes
[05:11] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hey Lure
[05:12] <itsyou> yep, that channel is silent
[05:12] <jdong> http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/ktorrent/bug70529/
[05:12] <Lure_> hi Hobbsee
[05:12] <jdong> ^^ KTorrent 2.0.3 with two svn backports, dapper/edgy packages call for testing
[05:12] <jdong> report back to launchpad ticket
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Lure_: how hard is kmilo to hack?
[05:13] <Lure_> Hobbsee: not hard - it is not that much code.
[05:13] <Lure_> Hobbsee: what do you want to do?
[05:14] <jdong> but then realized his problem lied in KMix's dcop interface
[05:14] <jdong> and then gave up :D
[05:14] <Hobbsee> Lure_: adding some of my laptop buttons (dell 6400) to it
[05:15] <Lure_> Hobbsee: to generic or to dell module? are keys returning proper keycodes?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Lure_: havent looked yet
[05:15] <Hobbsee> and i dont understand the first questoin
[05:16] <Lure_> does anybody know for any open smtp server that could be used to sent @ubuntu/kubuntu mail?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Lure_: sure, ubuntu has one
[05:16] <Lure_> Hobbsee: yes? which one?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> s = smtplib.SMTP('fiordland.ubuntu.com')
[05:17] <Hobbsee> doesnt require authing or anything
[05:17] <Hobbsee> it's what gets used for the request sync, now :)
[05:18] <Hobbsee> Lure_: someone's already added it, it just hasnt been fixed
[05:20] <crimsun> jdong: eh? I suppose anyone in core-dev
[05:20] <crimsun> jdong: I don't see feisty as problematic wrt ktorrent, because the floodgates will be open "soon"
[05:20] <jdong> ok
[05:21] <jdong> crimsun: I'm gonna let that backport candidate sit and test for a bit more, but eventually I'll need someone to upload it
[05:22] <Lure_> Hobbsee: fiordland.ubuntu.com does not seem to work for me :-(
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Lure_: darn!
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Lure_: those keycodes for the dell 6400 are right, if you wanted to add them
[05:22] <Lure_> Hobbsee: where are they? on wiki?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Lure_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes?highlight=%28LukaRenko%29
[05:23] <crimsun> jdong: rule of thumb is that at least 5 people need to ACK a working backport
[05:23] <jdong> crimsun: ok, sounds good
[05:25] <Hobbsee> else, i'll just use a local package, and get it into feisty :)
[05:28] <jdong> crimsun: I am gonna register a Ubuntu Backports Testing Team to try to recruit more beta testers from the forums... any objections?
[05:28] <crimsun> jdong: not at all
[05:29] <jdong> ok
[05:29] <claydoh> woah! ktorrent rocks now
[05:30] <Lure_> Hobbsee: ok, the following keycodes are not mapped: 170, 204, 212 and 101 - we would need to add some sensible xkeysyms to /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap
[05:30] <Lure_> Hobbsee: and some sane default action in kmilo - this will not be accepted in -updates for sure
[05:31] <Hobbsee> Lure_: and some of the multimedia keys on the front
[05:31] <Lure_> Hobbsee: ?
[05:31] <Lure_> Hobbsee: multimedia keys are handled by apps themself (amarok...)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> Lure_:  play/pause doesnt work
[05:31] <Hobbsee> ahh okay
[05:32] <Lure_> Hobbsee: really? what does it do? nothing?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> Lure_: yep
[05:32] <Hobbsee> Lure_: track forward also does nothing
[05:33] <Hobbsee> Lure_: the rest on the front work
[05:34] <Hobbsee> 204 212 work here.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> sorry, 212, 101 work here
[05:34] <Hobbsee> 204 doesnt
[05:34] <Hobbsee> 170 doesnt
[05:34] <jdong> claydoh: lol,what makes it rock? :D
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Lure_: ^
[05:35] <Lure_> Hobbsee: I can see why play/pause would not work, but not why next track would not work - can you check amarok -> Settings -> Configure global shortcuts
[05:35] <claydoh> well nosht connecttions as far as I can see, but it conneted to the tracker almot instataneously angd with good speed
[05:35] <claydoh> it has never done that for this tracker
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Lure_: ahhh,, they're set differently
[05:36] <claydoh> um, no dht connections as far as I can see
[05:36] <Lure_> Hobbsee: they should match (XF86xxxx)
[05:36] <claydoh> rather
[05:36] <jdong> claydoh: yeah, there's been steady improvement in the performance department
[05:36] <jdong> claydoh: if you're testing the packages I posted, the DHT tick marks will still show X'es for uTorrent
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Lure_: way cool :)
[05:37] <jdong> but if a forced ping to uTorrent succeeds and a new node is discovered, the node count will increment
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Lure_: if i set them manually, they do
[05:37] <claydoh> was gonna try out another svn version, but have been trying out qbittorrent
[05:37] <jdong> in my testing I was able to get 50 nodes off a forced uTorrent peer
[05:37] <jdong> before this patch it was unable to get any nodes off uTorrent
[05:37] <Lure_> Hobbsee: do not understand why they do not work out of the box
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Lure_: neither
[05:38] <claydoh> i also connect to all peers, tho the  2 I am using don't have many seeders/leechers
[05:39] <jdong> claydoh: I've got svn debs at http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/ktorrent/ if you feel particularly lazy :D
[05:39] <claydoh> duh!
[05:39] <claydoh> already there
[05:39] <jdong> :D
[05:39] <jdong> some are quicker to catch on :D
[05:39] <claydoh> :)
[05:40] <claydoh> using the one in reference to the bug 70529
[05:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70529 in edgy-backports "Two patches from upstream SVN" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70529
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Lure_: what would happen if we hardcoded those keys into amarok as alternate keys?  would they be recognised?
[05:41] <Lure_> Hobbsee: this is what should be done by default
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Lure_: yes...hmmm....
[05:42] <Lure_> Hobbsee: maybe it works only for new users (new .kde)
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Lure_: possibly.  what's weird is that some keys have been put in, and others havent - and this is from the .kde where there were no multimedia buttons
[05:43] <jdong> claydoh: that's still 2.0.3 with some SVN patches... look in the svn-* directories for actual 2.1~dev SVN packages
[05:43] <Hobbsee> Lure_: oh, and that bluetooth section - that seems to work fine anyway
[05:43] <claydoh> done :)
[05:44] <Hobbsee> bleh.  i cant see where it goes in
[05:49] <Hobbsee> Lure_: you know, this c++ looks kinda different from the stuff we do thru uni :P
[06:16] <Riddell> \sh_away: fancy packaging the new pyqt 4 and pykde 3?
[06:16] <Riddell> \sh_away: sebas says he'll buy you a beer
[06:18] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!  how's UDS going?
[06:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: busy busy!
[06:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :)
[06:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so you're going to have amazing stuff to bring back and implement, so kubuntu will rock, and i can just sit back and relax :)
[06:30] <Riddell> mmmmm
[06:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yay, you agree!  :)
[06:36] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: we should replace openoffice base with kexi, it works better
[12:20] <Kuhrscher> sebas: Do you have one minute?
[12:25] <_Sime> \sh_away: Are you on the PyKDE mailing list?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> hey sredna
[01:24] <sredna> Hi Hobbsee :)
[01:24] <sredna> How are you?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> sredna: good, reading crackful suggestions on the forums :)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> sredna: and i just got home from work
[01:25] <sredna> :-)
[01:25] <sredna> So did I, and now I have to go work a bit on my boat, to get it ready for the winter seacon
[01:25] <Hobbsee> fun :)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> winter?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> you'd be german or something?
[01:30] <Hobbsee> ooh, interesting :)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hey el!
[01:54] <el> heya Hobbsee :)
[02:15] <hunger> Anyone considering to package basket notepad now that it went stable?
[02:16] <abattoir> hunger: seaLne is packaging it, if i'm not mistaken
[02:17] <abattoir> or has packaged it...
[02:18] <abattoir> (edgy packages are available at basket.kde.org)
[02:18] <hunger> abattoir: Thanks for the info.
[02:19] <abattoir> actually only i386 :P
[02:19] <abattoir> hunger: no problem :)
[02:44] <JohnFlux2> anyone in ca and awake?
[02:45] <JohnFlux2> i think breakfast starts at 6? or 7?
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya
[04:42] <sredna> There is something broken with konquerors toolbars, sometimes a window shows unwanted toolbars
[04:43] <sredna> I wonder if it
[04:43] <sredna> S a kubuntu thing, or a kde one
[04:43] <fdoving> tonio is working on that, afaik.
[04:44] <fdoving> he mentioned the bug some time ago.
[04:54] <sredna> Thanks :)
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> Is there a reason the patch for kopete to get back on AIM/ICQ hasn't hit the repos yet? #69583 Seems the fix has been known since the day it broke a week ago.
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> Just getting a lot of people asking and I want to know what to tell them.
[05:16] <mhb_> hi all
[05:19] <mhb> does somebody have more info about today's mtv schedule?
[05:20] <abattoir> mhb: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/uds-mtv/2006-11-06/ , i think
[05:22] <mhb> thanks
[05:22] <mhb> they should have updated the wiki
[05:44] <MidMark> hi
[05:44] <MidMark> I've noticed that here -> http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php there is a lot of confusion
[05:44] <MidMark> there is a link to the 6.06 release notes
[05:44] <Riddell> MidMark: doh, I havn't updated that yet
[05:45] <MidMark> Riddell: the strange thing is, look at the link, inside it talks about 6.10 but it says 7.04 Feisty!
[05:45] <MidMark> so: 6.06 release notes link -> talk about 6.10 -> but refer to 7.04
[05:46] <MidMark> how many version??? :)
[05:46] <Riddell> at least that will cover most of our users :)
[05:47] <MidMark> lol
[05:48] <nixternal> hey Riddell, i provided a fix for the documentation.php previously..if you want me to resend it to you, let me know
[05:51] <Riddell> nixternal: I must hve missed or forgotten about that, please resend
[05:53] <nixternal> Riddell: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/kwww-doc.diff
[06:09] <Riddell> hah, jjesse has also sent me an e-mail about that
[06:15] <imbrandon> moins nixternal
[06:16] <imbrandon> ( and everyone )
[06:19] <nixternal> moins imbrandon ;)
[06:30] <Riddell> nixternal: applied, many thanks
[06:33] <nixternal> no problem sir
[06:34] <MidMark> nice
[06:52] <bobesponja> hey
[06:53] <bobesponja> I suppose you use script to add the 'Get Help Online' and 'Translate this application' links to the Help menu in the toolbar of each app
[06:53] <bobesponja> any idea where I could find those scripts?
[07:06] <Riddell> bobesponja: it's not a script, it's a patch to kdelibs
[07:07] <bobesponja> Riddell: k thanx, and may I ask where to find it? :)
[07:13] <fdoving> bobesponja: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu3.diff.gz - it's somewhere in the diff.
[07:13] <fdoving> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs_3.5.5.orig.tar.gz
[07:13] <bobesponja> fdoving: thanx a lot
[07:16] <fdoving> bobesponja: I actually have a recent kdelibs locally, uploaded the patch to http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kubuntu_51_launchpad_integration.diff
[07:19] <bobesponja> fdoving: thanx again
[07:19] <fdoving> no problem :)
[07:22] <bobesponja> fdoving: does the kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu3.diff.gz  contains all the change yo do to kde?
[07:23] <fdoving> yes.
[07:23] <fdoving> that's the idea.
[07:23] <fdoving> there is one diff for every package.
[07:24] <fdoving> and we have kubuntu-default-settings to override some default settings too.
[07:24] <fdoving> (that's a package)
[07:25] <bobesponja> you mean one diff for every package about the launchpad stuff too?
[07:25] <fdoving> no.
[07:25] <fdoving> that's just kdeibs.
[07:25] <fdoving> kdelibs.
[07:25] <bobesponja> what change do you do to all the other package?
[07:26] <bobesponja> I mean what kind of change :)
[07:27] <fdoving> mostly packaging related changes.
[07:27] <fdoving> as far as i'm aware.
[07:29] <bobesponja> you mean change to debian package?
[07:29] <fdoving> yes.
[07:30] <bobesponja> k thanx a lot for taking the time to answer all my questions
[07:30] <fdoving> no problem. :)
[07:31] <bobesponja> maybe we could write a howto for people that want to make kubuntu derivs so they can easily modificate stuff like kubuntu icons and links to launchpad and stuff
[07:32] <fdoving> go ahead :)
[07:33] <fdoving> the wiki is a nice place to start :)
[07:34] <bobesponja> fdoving: does kubuntu-default-settings contains any artwork change?
[07:42] <bobesponja> ok, got the source and it does :)
[07:42] <fdoving> bobesponja: it contains the default wallpaper, the kmenu side image, the panel background, the kdm theme, ksplash theme, etc.
[07:44] <bobesponja> fdoving: what's that .bz?
[07:44] <bobesponja> I mean .bzr
[07:44] <fdoving> bazaar revision history.
[07:45] <fdoving> !bzr
[07:45] <ubotu> bzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model.
[07:46] <bobesponja> k thanx, looks cool
[08:02] <bobesponja> fdoving: another question. is there a script to create a livecd from a kubuntu install? or do you setup the kubuntu livecd patching the ubuntu one to use kubiquiti and kubuntu artwork?
[08:03] <fdoving> I don't know anything about livecd-making. not into that. sorry.
[08:04] <bobesponja> k, no problem. Maybe the kubuntu devel is more appropriate for that
[08:04] <bobesponja> I meant mailling list
[08:04] <fdoving> the wiki got some info on modifying livecds.
[08:05] <fdoving> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06
[08:06] <bobesponja> thanx again :)
[08:08] <fdoving> also http://uck.sourceforge.net/
[08:08] <fdoving> could be usefull.
[08:11] <bobesponja> k
[09:17] <xeros> status
[09:17] <xeros> sorry
[10:39] <vandenoever> hi guys, which package do i need to be able to do 'man select' ?
[10:41] <bddebian> mandb?
[10:41] <vandenoever> ah, found it: manpages-dev


  Hack someone else and leave my computer alone
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> Well that was easy.
[06:52]  * tonyyarusso wishes when he joined IRC someone had told him to keep a tally of how many people said they were going to file a lawsuit
[06:53]  * rww sues tonyyarusso for counting people
[07:01] <IdleOne> How does  he /know/ it was you?
[07:01] <IdleOne> I'm curious...
[07:01] <rww> IdleOne: presumably the hacker used a really cute font with little twirly bits when writing messages to him
[07:02] <IdleOne> That would definitely be you
[07:02] <rww> iknorite
[07:32] <rww> !notreally-#ubuntu-offtopic > Danielcg25
[07:34] <jussi> em: is there something you need help with?
[07:36] <jussi> em: please rejoin when you are active, as we have a no idling rule here (as Im sure you are aware)
[07:40] <jussi01> evil, evil thing.
[07:40] <Tm_T> sorry ):
[14:05] <Pici> I'm pretty sure that LarsTo aske the same thing yesterday.
[14:07] <ikonia> Pici: he did, it's in my logs
[14:08] <ikonia> he also asked it in #ubuntu-offtopic too
[14:08] <Pici> ikonia: I think he was answered as well.
[14:08] <ikonia> he was very well
[14:08] <ikonia> you answered him in #ubuntu, I answered him in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:43]  * jpds trolls.
[14:47] <popey> @login
[14:47] <popey> @btlogin
[14:49] <jpds> popey: You are now logged into British Telecom.
[14:52] <gord> You have been charged 5p for this login
[14:57] <topyli> have a nice day!
[14:59] <tsimpson> plus a 49p connection charge
[15:01]  * popey presses 1
[16:05] <knome> Hello, this is the British Telecom customer service. How may I help you?
[16:10] <gord> you have been charged 5p for pressing 1
[16:45] <IdleOne> wow, 60p for logging in and pressing 1. How much to speak to a human?
[16:45] <Pici> 5p just for asking
[16:46] <IdleOne> hahahah
[16:46] <IdleOne> Good morning :)
[16:46] <Pici> Hiya
[17:16] <knome> Hey sir, are you there? The call is 1.60 pounds per minute, and you have been idling for 30 minutes now.
[17:18] <IdleOne> That sounds a little scam'ish
[17:19] <knome> :)
[17:19] <topyli> phone-companyish
[17:21] <IdleOne> so this call is up to 48 pounds
[17:21] <IdleOne> and I still haven't spoke to anybody
[17:21] <Pici> Thats heavy.
[17:22] <hypatia> :[
[17:22] <Pici> Is there something wrong with the earth's gravitational pull in the future?
[17:31] <mneptok> Pici: that's why i'm gaining weight!
[18:35] <fujisan> Pricey are you here :(
[18:35] <fujisan> the dutch you guys know how they all went pvv now
[18:36] <fujisan> and now it happened in a dutch ubuntu channel they made racist remarks i rebelled against it and this JanC admin banned me
[18:37] <fujisan> i am not sure what to do here go to the authorities or otherwise?
[18:37] <fujisan> can you guys do something?
[18:37] <fujisan> i chatted there for years without many issues and now this happens
[18:37] <Pici> fujisan: We don't handle international channel issues here. You can try to appeal in #ubuntu-irc or send a message to JanC
[18:37] <fujisan> oh ok
[18:37] <fujisan> thanks
[18:37] <fujisan> i will part now then
[18:38] <Pici> That was almost too easy.
[18:47] <IdleOne> what is pvv?
[18:47] <Pici> I have no idea.
[19:29] <knome> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Freedom
[20:14] <ray24> wasup you butt raping mongols
[20:15] <ray24> or shall i say mongolites
[20:15] <Pici> excuse me?
[20:15] <ray24> you're excused
[20:15] <IdleOne> ray24: Could you please not be so vulgar
[20:15] <IdleOne> What can we help you with?
[20:15] <ray24> Nothing
[20:15] <ray24> Your contribution is sub par
[20:16] <IdleOne> Alright then, please part this channel if there is nothing you need from us.
[20:16] <ray24> Ubuntu ops has done nothing in bringing the community closer to the Ubuntu mission statement
[20:16] <ray24> There has been constant abuse and slanderous actions caused by the operators here
[20:16] <ray24> I'm taking legal actions
[20:17] <ray24> My computer was hacked by one of your moderators
[20:17] <IdleOne> if you have proof of this I suggest you email the IRCC (link to follow)
[20:17] <IdleOne> !appeals
[20:18] <ray24> I don't need proof. I'm taking this laptop to the federal bureau.
[20:18] <ray24> I'm here giving you a friendly warning of the waves of tsunami that's coming your way
[20:18] <IdleOne> ok.
[20:18] <IdleOne> thank you for the warning.
[20:18] <ray24> act cocky now. you unpaid person.
[20:20] <ray24> Cool action bro
[20:21] <LjL> ray24: if you have nothing further *ontopic* to add, leave.
[20:21] <IdleOne> ray24: There is very little abuse I will tolerate from you. If you can't discuss your issue with us in this channel your next step is to contact the IRCC via email.
[20:21] <ray24> One thing I need
[20:21] <ray24> I need your personal information. I need your names
[20:21] <ray24> so i can contact my legal advisors
[20:21] <IdleOne> right
[20:21] <LjL> /whois LjL
[20:21] <ray24> facebook please.
[20:22] <ray24> Let me see who you are
[20:22] <ray24> you're messing with the wrong person. I'm connected to powerful lawyers
[20:22] <LjL> ray24: leave.
[20:22] <ray24> stfu
[20:22] <ray24> btich
[20:22] <LjL> !ops
[20:22] <ray24> i leavfe when i want
[20:22] <maco> someone can't spell
[20:22] <charlie-tca> "powerful" lawyers better than the other kind?
[20:25] <genii-around> Just when I thought the whole day was going to be somewhat boring :)
[20:26] <LjL> he's abusing me in private now, gonna be fun :)
[20:26] <IdleOne> LjL: does it involve things your mother should of thought you about what causes cancer?
[20:27] <LjL> IdleOne: it's less involved, but it does involve my mother
[20:27] <Pici> :o
[20:27] <IdleOne> consistent with the PM I got then
[20:28]  * genii-around makes more coffee, hands out the mugs
[20:28] <IdleOne> Fear Factor is a really gross show
[20:32] <IdleOne> suggestions on when to remove the ban on ray24 for this channel?
[20:32] <maco> next blue moon?
[20:32]  * maco runs
[20:33] <IdleOne> I will need to ask tony about moon phase
[20:33] <genii-around> He was given the appeals link
[20:33] <IdleOne> genii-around: he was
[20:33] <IdleOne> but seems that keeping bans in here forever is not the best option
[20:33] <LjL> how about we schedule to remove it in a month, then forget forever
[20:37] <Pici> The Moon is Waxing Crescent (9% of Full)
[20:38] <IdleOne> Pici: next blue moon should be in 9.743 million years?
[20:38] <Pici> IdleOne: sure, why not?
[20:38] <IdleOne> just confirming
[20:39] <Tm_T> Blue moon over Kentucky?
[21:02] <Pici> Is ray24 supposed to be banned in #ubuntu?
[21:03] <IdleOne> not sure if rww banned him there or not
[21:03] <IdleOne> I know I didn't
[21:03] <Tm_T> nope, no bans in bantracker
[21:03] <Pici> Meh.
[21:04] <IdleOne> as long has he isn't an issue...
[21:05] <Tm_T> he is clearly trolling, but isn't an issue yet
[21:05] <Pici> Torbennn appears to be banned in +1
[21:05]  * Pici is going afk for a bit
[21:05] <Torbennn> hi
[21:06] <Tm_T> pankaj_sharma: hi, anything you need from us?
[21:06] <pankaj_sharma> all mods here
[21:06] <pankaj_sharma> ?
[21:06] <IdleOne> Pici: 38942 re Torbennn
[21:06] <maco> pankaj_sharma: yup
[21:06] <Torbennn> i can not join #ubuntu+1
[21:06] <Pici> IdleOne: I'm afk ;), can you take a look at it?
[21:06] <IdleOne> yeah just saw that
[21:07] <IdleOne> Torbennn: let me take a look, one moment please
[21:07] <Torbennn> ok
[21:07] <tsimpson> pankaj_sharma: anything we can help you with?
[21:08] <pankaj_sharma> i think i should leave
[21:10] <IdleOne> Torbennn: won't be long
[22:05] <Tm_T> K'night all


[14:52] <LinDol> hi all
[18:32] <craysiii> darkxs t after reading the stacktrace from a few restarts it seems that its not the kodak AIO driver failing, but cannon's own pixma driver. Though I don't know how much of a difference it makes.
[19:15] <craysiii> had to restart again if you msged me dark.
[23:42] <darkxst> craysiii, can you link a backtrace