[01:03] <Gnine> restricted drivers not displayed in jockey-gtk. nvidia-glx installed; other restricted modules installed.
[01:12] <ogra> bdmurray, wow, you read ubuntu-users ? thats brave :)
[01:13]  * ogra doesnt feel so alone anymore whatching the user madhouse
[01:15] <bdmurray> ogra: it recently seemed like it needed some help
[01:15] <ogra> yeah, it does
[01:15] <bdmurray> but I feel one person isn't enough either
[01:16] <ogra> i only manage to roughly follow it in recent times
[01:17] <ogra> yeah, its our biggest list and pretty noisy ... there are not many developers readin it anymore
[01:18] <bdmurray> I was thinking that maybe bugsquad members reading / commenting would be sufficient help.
[01:19] <ogra> surely
[01:19] <bdmurray> I saw some comments about using a partition separte from ubiquity which seems silly now a days
[01:20] <ogra> it just was a great ressource for help once where you had lots of knowledgeable people giving excellent advise ... the level dropped massively over the three years i'm on it
[01:20] <bdmurray> er, a partition utility
[01:20] <ogra> yeah, there is a lot of such stuff
[01:22] <ogra> and recently some very active people with half breeded knowledge who think they know everything because they used redhat before ... "use telinit 2 to siwtch to non graphics mode"
[01:22] <bdmurray> dinner bbiab
[01:22] <bdmurray> wow
[02:08] <macd> bug 174048 just needs a debdif with the package rules changes to include python-xml?
[02:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174048 in xen-3.2 "missing dependency: python-xml" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174048
[02:55] <mrooney> so, I see a package updated its "debian/$package.gconf-defaults", does anyone know where I could find this file, to check out what changed?
[03:10] <greg-g> macd: looks like it, yes
[03:12] <danage> hello saivann?
[03:12] <saivann> danage : Hi!
[03:12] <danage> hi! wow our bug got fixed
[03:12] <saivann> danage : Did you see, our bug got fixed
[03:12] <saivann> danage : Yes :D
[03:12] <danage> :)
[03:13] <danage> it even looks like it might make release
[03:13] <mrooney> ooh what bug is that
[03:13] <saivann> danage : Now that's how very well described bugs + incredible developers makes good work
[03:13] <danage> :)
[03:13] <danage> i wish the bluetooth problem was more evident
[03:13] <danage> i would love to have it fixed
[03:13] <danage> disabling hidd didn't change anything
[03:14] <saivann> mrooney : That was a bug in gvfs that prevented users to list files with more than 8 spaces in FTP servers, I don't have the bug number, but it got fixed in few days
[03:15] <saivann> danage : Really? That might be kind of bad bug with the driver, that's less evident..
[03:15] <danage> that is what i am thinking. i am testing right now with a usb dongle on another computer, see if it's apple mouse specific
[03:15] <greg-g> does xubuntu use the restricted-driver manager?
[03:16] <greg-g> aka, package "restricted-manager"
[03:16] <danage> wow, a lot of now updates being pushed through today
[03:16] <saivann> greg-g : I'll answer this in ~1 minute
[03:16] <greg-g> saivann: thankya
[03:16] <saivann> danage : I use a USB belkin bluetooth dongle.. so
[03:17] <danage> i have a chinadongle now, i'm gonna use it tonight and see how it turns out
[03:17] <saivann> greg-g : xubuntu gutsy did, I don't know about Hardy but I doubt that it changed.
[03:18] <greg-g> saivann: thanks.  anyway of searching for the answer online so i don't have to ask you again? :)
[03:18] <saivann> danage : Great :)
[03:19] <greg-g> s/anyway/is there a way/
[03:21] <saivann> greg-g : I was thinking about rdepends, but it does not seems to show needed informations, so I don't know :) Unless installing xubuntu inside a virtualbox VM, that's what I do
[03:21] <bdmurray> greg-g: it is called jockey now
[03:22] <bdmurray> and an 'apt-cache show jockey-common' show the Tasks it is installed in
[03:22] <saivann> That's why I did not find jockey in gutsy...
[03:22] <Gnine> no restricted drivers shown in jockey-gtk
[03:23] <greg-g> bdmurray: awesome, thanks
[03:23] <saivann> greg-g : and apt-cache rdepends jockey-gtk show the reverse depends :)
[03:24] <greg-g> saivann: that works too, thanks
[03:24]  * greg-g learned something new todya
[03:24] <saivann> greg-g : np :)
[03:24] <saivann> hehe, we all, I think..
[03:24] <mrooney> bdmurray: do you know where I can find the debian/$package.gconf-defaults file of a package? I am having trouble doing so
[03:24] <bdmurray> mrooney: in the package itself I'd guess
[03:25] <bdmurray> try apt-get source $PKGNAME
[03:26] <mrooney> bdmurray: thanks, that did the trick!
[03:31] <mrooney> bdmurray: by the way in regards to bug #78038, it turned out that rhythmbox DID prevent hibernate/suspend on critical battery. the issue got fixed by disabling the rhythmbox plugin that caused that, but is there a more important underlying issue that allowed that to happen in the first place?
[03:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78038 in rhythmbox "rhythmbox interferes with suspend" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78038
[03:36] <bdmurray> mrooney: I'm a bit busy at the moment
[03:38] <mrooney> fair enough, are you saying I should wait a bit for a response, or ping you about it at a later date?
[03:39] <bdmurray> depends on when the kids get home. ;)
[03:41] <bdmurray> Seriously though, I'll try and look at it in a couple of hours
[03:43] <greg-g> lol
[03:45] <LoOoD> I'm trying out the hands free install via PXE. Seems to be stuck in a loop while partitioning the drive. It gets the kernel/initrd/preseed file and boots up. /var/log/partman just seems to grow forever.
[03:47] <danage> LoOoD: mustn't be a pxe-related problem then. i installed from a usb stick the other day, with all packages being loaded from ubuntu archive server
[03:49] <LoOoD> pxe said then. what can I do to figure out what is wrong? I regular interactive netboot install works fine.
[04:07] <LoOoD> pxe aside then ..
[04:10] <LoOoD> is there an existing working seed file I can try it with.. might be my seed file.
[04:20] <mrooney> oh does anyone know, it gutsy the update-manager showed the old version --> new version under the titles of each package, is there a way to re-enable this in hardy?
[04:29] <unmanarc> hi, i want to report a kubuntu installation bug...
[04:29] <unmanarc> 8.04
[04:29] <unmanarc> RC
[04:29] <unmanarc> where?
[04:31] <unmanarc> well, i'll say the bug here...
[04:31] <unmanarc> Caracas Time is GMT-4:30  not GMT-5:30...
[04:31] <unmanarc> bye.
[04:33] <bdmurray> mrooney: yes it did and no there isn't
[04:34] <bdmurray> mrooney: additionally there is a bug about and the maintainer has said he'll release a ppa version after the final version
[04:41] <mrooney> great, I really miss those. now let me try to find that bug...
[05:07] <cool> Hi, i would like to report a bug, before that i would like to verify if its really a bug.
[05:07] <cool> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=761885
[05:09] <bdmurray> cool: Hi, I'm looking at it now
[05:09] <cool> Thanks
[05:12] <bdmurray> Is that your post?
[05:12] <cool> yes
[05:12] <bdmurray> It'd be good to test with Hardy via a Live CD
[05:13] <macd> is there an easy way to make a change to just a control file, rather than having to rebuild the entire package? (it is a depends on change)
[05:14] <macd> oops wrong chan
[05:14] <cool> bdmurray, the main problem is that this error occurs random, using live & testing is not a solution
[05:15] <cool> as, system behaves normal 90% times
[05:15] <cool> right now i am posting fom same box, on which the error is reported
[05:16] <cool> still today or tomorrow i would try to upgrade to hardy
[05:16] <techno_freak> firefox3 randomly goes off :s
[05:16] <cool> bdmurray, is there any further debugging required on this system?
[05:17] <cool> since, then all data would have been  gone, i would be doing a clean install to minimise problems
[05:18] <bdmurray> cool: From what I understand of your situation it is unlikely to be fixed in Gutsy as it doesn't meet SRU criteria, so no we wouldn't need anything from that system.  by the way dist-upgrades work really really well
[05:19] <mrooney> cool: I would imagine that either way you are fine. If you update to Hardy and the issue is gone, then you it has been addressed in some way and doesn't need a bug report. If it still exists in Hardy, you will be able to obtain more relevant information that way
[05:20] <cool> mrooney, bdmurray :Thanks a lot Guys!
[05:21] <cool> bdmurray, i could use  dist-upgrades but i have few other problems which i would not like to carry forward
[05:21] <cool> some problems, which i didn't find any solution
[05:21] <bdmurray> cool: ah, okay
[05:22] <mrooney> cool: I know what you mean, personally I find Ubuntu so easy to restore to a state you like (ie, one line apt-get install to get all your apps again), that I like fresh installs to keep everything clean
[05:23] <cool> anyone facing disappearing desktop problem with compiz-fusion, i have reported it to bugzilla at compiz few days back but no reply yet.
[05:23] <mrooney> Hm, I am not aware of that issue at all
[05:23] <mrooney> how does a desktop disappear
[05:23] <mrooney> can you see through to behind the screen? :)
[05:24] <cool> hold on, will dig up a thread on some forum
[05:24] <cool> http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84435
[05:24] <cool> one of my solved threads in forums
[05:26] <cool> mrooney, can you see the screenshot?
[05:27] <cool> the problem is all desktop element come & go
[05:27] <mrooney> cool: no, I have to register for the forum :/
[05:27] <cool> hold on
[05:27] <cool> will post it in paste bin :)
[05:30] <cool> I am having problem with compiz fusion, main problem is the My whole desktop keeps disappearing in parts, then comes back for few secs when i hover mouse pointer the them.
[05:30]  * cool uploads a screenshot
[05:31] <mrooney> that sounds very...unique
[05:31] <mrooney> I would not be at all surprised if that is gone in Hardy
[05:31] <cool> my most problems are unique
[05:31] <cool> :D
[05:32] <techno_freak> cool, check all your problems after you upgrade to hardy
[05:32] <cool> here is a screenshot ==> http://www.imgx.org/pfiles/7016/Screenshot.png
[05:33] <mrooney> cool: yeah probably quirks which are worked out with better drives and composite by default
[05:33] <mrooney> *drivers
[05:33] <cool> k, will upgrade to hardy then
[05:34] <cool> Thanks a lot for your time, it was nice talking to you ;)
[05:34]  * cool prepares to leave
[13:23] <ffm> How can I tell if my bug report that has been marked with a lock icon is safe to make public.
[13:23] <ffm> ?
[13:24] <ffm> I mean, my bug report is currently private, it involves a crash of pybackpack. How do I make sure nothing personal is in there?
[13:24] <Arby> ffm: I think it needs to be done by a member of bugsquad, got a bug number
[13:25] <ffm> Arby:
[13:25] <ffm> Arby: Sure, Bug #219583
[13:25] <ubotu> Bug 219583 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/219583 is private
[13:25] <Arby> basically it's just reading through the attachments for paswords etc
[13:25] <Arby> ok I'll take a look
[13:25] <ffm> Wow, those bug names are long.
[13:25] <ffm> Arby: Look for something like "aiof877a&a", that's my password for all my websites.

[13:26] <Arby> hmm, that ones invisible to me too
[13:26] <pedro_> mm i cannot see the bug either
[13:26] <Arby> how long ago did you post it
[13:26] <ffm> Arby: 2008-04-19
[13:30] <Arby> hmm, it should be there then I'd  have thought
[13:30] <Arby> don't know then sorry
[13:30] <Arby> anybody else got any idea?
[13:31] <pedro_> ffm: may you subscribe me to it?
[13:32] <ffm> pedro_: I don't know, are you trustworthy?
[13:33] <pedro_> ffm: yeah, every member of ubuntu-bugcontrol is trustworthy
[13:33] <pedro_> ffm: pvillavi is my lp account in case you want to subscribe me to have a look to your data
[13:34] <ffm> pedro_: Done.
[13:36] <Arby> pedro_: did that help?
[13:36] <pedro_> ffm: thanks, there's nothing private on the report, you can make it public
[13:36] <pedro_> Arby: yep
[13:36] <Arby> ok that's worth knowing about
[13:37] <ffm> Arby, pedro_ , It's public now. Anything more you need to triage it?
[13:38] <ffm> Bug #219583
[13:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219583 in pybackpack "pybackpack crashed with AttributeError in do_ssh_backup()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219583
[13:39] <pedro_> ffm: not really, leave it public so it can be looked by a bugsquad member
[13:40] <ffm> pedro_ Arby , it says "needs-duplicate-check" as one of its tags, but it is the only bug in that package. Can I remove the tag?
[13:41] <pedro_> ffm: yes, but it's weird I've seen a few bugs with "need-duplicate-check" tag and a comment from apport saying something like "this bug it's probably a dup of #xxxxxx but the latest one was fixed"
[13:41] <pedro_> first time i seen a needs-duplicate-check without a comment like that
[13:42] <Arby> sounds like apport is being odd
[13:42] <ffm> Should I report it upstream as well?
[13:44] <ffm> Arby pedro_ , see above.
[13:45] <james_w> ffm: I think so yes, the package isn't patched at all, so there's little chance of it being Ubuntu-specific.
[13:46] <ffm> james_w: Uh, I wanted to add a link to the external tracker, http://projects.sucs.org/projects/pybackpack/ticket/64 , and it did so, but said it was a bug in archlinux.
[13:47] <james_w> ffm: you should copy the backtrace in to the upstream report.
[13:47] <ffm> james_w: Yes, but I am having trouble linking the report to ubuntu.
[13:48] <james_w> ffm: yeah, I'm looking in to that, I just noticed that on the way past
[13:48] <james_w> ffm: there's no upstream project set up for this yet.
[13:49] <james_w> can anyone tell me how to go about doing that? Do I need bugsquad powers?
[13:49] <thekorn> hello @all!
[13:49] <james_w> hi thekorn
[13:50] <thekorn> hi james_w
[13:50] <seb128> james_w: ask jcastro about adding the corresponding product on launchpad
[13:51] <james_w> seb128: thanks
[13:52] <ffm> jcastro: ping
[13:57] <james_w> ffm: I worked it out, it should be done now.
[13:59] <thekorn> Is the broken error pages in mozilla browsers (xml parsing error) a known issue?
[14:00] <thekorn> i wonder if this is a translation error or something elese
[14:00] <james_w> thekorn: I heard someone mention it to asac the other day I think.
[14:01] <seb128> I think asac fixed it
[14:02] <thekorn> ah ok, maybe the fix does not land on my system yet
[14:02] <seb128> he might not have uploaded
[14:02] <seb128> I think he said to pitti that he figured what was wrong yesterday, I'm not sure now though
[14:07] <asac> should be fixed
[14:08] <asac> german + finnish translation were affected
[14:08] <asac> thekorn: please verify that latest langpack fixes it
[14:10] <thekorn> running an upgrade now...
[14:16] <thekorn> asac, yay, fixed, thanks!
[14:16] <asac> thanks for confirm
[15:39] <afflux> morning
[15:40] <pedro_> morning afflux
[15:41] <afflux> hi pedro_ :)
[15:52] <rodserling> I was told there was a Hug Meeting in here.
[15:53] <pedro_> rodserling: there's no hug day today, it was postponed to be focus on ISO testing rather
[16:24] <mrooney> hmm, is it really appropriate to just say "this bug is a duplicate" but say you don't know which one, and just mark it Invalid? I am referencing bug #180064
[16:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180064 in gtk+2.0 "scroll bar obscures the bottom line" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180064
[16:25] <pedro_> mrooney: as pointed on my last comment, yes
[16:25] <pedro_> we have to deal daily with hundreds of reports and sometimes we cannot find the exactly bug number of the duplicate
[16:26] <mrooney> okay, but if a seasoned bug veteran can't find it, how do you expect that person to find it?
[16:26] <mrooney> it seems pretty rude
[16:26] <pedro_> mrooney: you're welcome to look at it and help us
[16:26] <bdmurray> mrooney: I think it is a question of efficient use of time
[16:28] <mrooney> yeah, I understand from an Ubuntu productivity viewpoint
[16:28] <mrooney> it just doesn't seem like a very good user experience
[16:29] <mrooney> but if it is generally agreed upon as acceptable I guess I can note it!
[16:30] <bdmurray> I don't think it is best but don't think there is a good alternative either.  We could tag it as likely-dup and then someone else would have to find the duplicate bug report.
[16:30] <afflux> "usage: update-rc.d [...]" reports, are they all the same and is there sort of a big masterbug?
[16:31] <james_w> afflux: I doubt they are all the same
[16:32] <james_w> if they were it would be a bug in debhelper, and there would be hundreds of duplicates I expect.
[16:32] <james_w> afflux: do you have a reference please?
[16:35] <seb128> mrooney: that's either that or we keep under of duplicates open because we are too busy to search the exact number
[16:36] <bdmurray> james_w: thanks for testing my debdiff
[16:36] <qense> that was scary, it looked like hardy didn't allow ethernet connections to work. That would be a terrible bug three days before the release... Fortunately it was a fault in my computer and now I've got internet again!
[16:36] <seb128> mrooney: it takes some minutes to do that, either the submitter has to do the job or the overworked bug triagers have to do that for all those users, don't you think it's better to share the workload?
[16:36] <afflux> james_w: bug 220645 and bug 220643 seem to be related to pulseaudio, rsync and acpid
[16:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220645 in ubuntu-meta "package ubuntu-desktop 1.102 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220645
[16:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220643 in ubuntu-meta "package ubuntu-standard 1.102 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220643
[16:37] <james_w> bdmurray: no problem, thanks for making it.
[16:37] <afflux> james_w:  and hotkey-setup. At least the dpkglog shows 4 identically error messages around line 6375
[16:37] <mrooney> seb128: yeah, but I guess I feel like a tag would help out, so someone could go through and try to find the dups and mark them as such, to properly draw more attention to them
[16:38] <seb128> mrooney: well, that's quite some work and we don't think that's best use we can do of our efforts right now
[16:38] <bdmurray> mrooney: What state would the bug be in that case?  If it was New I think it might waste people's time.
[16:38] <Arby> is it safe to close bug 220569? it looks like just unfortunate timing and seems to have been resolved
[16:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220569 in update-notifier "update-manager will not work/ reinstall" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220569
[16:38] <bdmurray> I do think this is a good discussion to have in a couple of weeks though.
[16:38] <mrooney> bdmurray: no, it can still be Invalid
[16:39] <mrooney> but at least say, I could search for "probable-dup" and find the dups later, mark them as such, and improve the situation
[16:39] <Arby> although the second last comment sounds like a separate issue
[16:39] <james_w> afflux: the logs are a little odd, yes. It's kind of strange they all hit at once.
[16:39] <afflux> Arby: the "current dist not found in meta-release file" sounds familiar, I think it's rather a warning
[16:40] <seb128> mrooney: bug #197110 is similar to the bug you pointed I think
[16:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197110 in gedit "New newlines are not displayed when the viewable page is full" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197110
[16:40] <james_w> afflux: the ones you posted are dupes aren't they? Same reporter anyway.
[16:40] <Arby> afflux: ok
[16:40] <bdmurray> mrooney: If you could bring this up after we are done with Hardy that'd be great.
[16:40] <Arby> closing
[16:41] <afflux> james_w: no, ubuntu-standard is because of rsync failing, ubuntu-desktop because of pulse, hotkey-setup and acpid
[16:42] <mrooney> bdmurray: okay, will do!
[16:42] <mrooney> I am out for now, talk to everyone later, thanks for the input/explanations
[16:42] <_max_> okey either its ubuntu or something to do with my hardware controller, but iv had -no- problems in debian using a 3ware 9500s controller and raids that are 2tb plus
[16:42] <james_w> afflux: ah, ok, thanks. I didn't look, it's just always suspicious when a user files two similar reports in quick succession.
[16:42] <_max_> using ubuntu 7.10 / 8.04 has been a friggin nightmare
[16:43] <_max_> first the hassel of getting it to actually use GPT
[16:43] <afflux> james_w: that's why I looked at them at all ;)
[16:43] <_max_> i then managed to create my damn 5000gb paritin and format it, mounted it, said 5tb free, now i get harddisc full, its now saying 540/540gb
[16:43] <_max_> same crap i had with msdos partition table
[16:44] <james_w> afflux: I'll look in to the possible cause of failure in a moment.
[16:44] <nemo> Does someone mind closing out a bug for me?
[16:45] <greg-g> nemo: which bug?
[16:45] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/217809
[16:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217809 in linux "iwl3945 does not associate in Hardy" [Undecided,New]
[16:45] <afflux> james_w: thanks. bug 157041 seems to be the oldest rsync report I could find
[16:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157041 in rsync "[apport] package rsync failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157041
[16:45] <nemo> greg-g: I need to file a new bug about complex passphrases.
[16:45] <nemo> greg-g: but that bug is no longer accurate (see comments 3 and 4)
[16:46] <greg-g> nemo: gotcha, so you are opening a new bug about the actual cause of the problem?
[16:46] <nemo> greg-g: yep
[16:46] <nemo> or you could rephrase the bug if you have rights :)
[16:46] <nemo> passphrases containing quote marks and spaces break network-admin/iwconfig
[16:47] <greg-g> nemo: well, with the big comments it is kinda "messy" now, so a new bug with all the pertinent information and none of the "noise" would be cool
[16:47] <nemo> greg-g: rephrasing would save me time reposting stuff I suppose
[16:47] <nemo> greg-g: fair 'nuff.
[16:47] <nemo> greg-g: most of the noise *was* 'cause I thought it was driver related
[16:47] <greg-g> nemo: awesome, thanks! I'll take care of this one.
[16:47] <nemo> not that relevant to "iwconfig is using the wrong passphrase"
[16:47] <greg-g> nemo: yeah, I understand, thanks for helping!
[16:47] <nemo> thanks much.
[16:48] <greg-g> nemo: no problem
[16:49] <Arby> anybody have any idea what causes bugs like bug 220589?
[16:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220589 in update-manager "update-manager crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220589
[16:49] <Arby> error message is E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.'
[16:49] <Arby> I see quite a few bug with errors against those files
[16:50] <Arby> are they problem files downloaded from a server somewhere or something that's been mangled locally
[16:50] <greg-g> have they tried an "apt-get update"?
[16:51] <greg-g> and is it reproducible over time (ie: 30 minutes later)
[16:51] <Arby> probably not
[16:51] <Arby> I was just wondering what those files did really
[16:51] <bdmurray> This is interesting because it is a security update
[16:51] <Arby> since it occurs quite often
[16:52] <greg-g> bdmurray: good call, those updates are fewer and probably experience less issues when updating the packages file
[16:52] <greg-g> the packages file contains the info needed to calculate the upgrades (packages and dependencies etc)
[16:53] <bdmurray> I think that update just came out yesterday so trying an apt-get update again would be good
[16:53] <greg-g> (I believe that is, I've never taken one apart)
[16:53] <bdmurray> You can just look at that file in a text editor
[16:58] <nemo> greg-g: bug #50386
[16:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50386 in gnome-system-tools "[network-admin] wireless-key from /etc/network/interfaces not escaped" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50386
[16:58] <nemo> greg-g: added a comment and left it at that :)
[16:59] <nemo> greg-g: I was joking in #ubuntu+1 about starting an evil network cafe with a passkey of ;rm -rf /
[16:59] <nemo> greg-g: the sad thing is, folks would not expect that to be a problem, even if they picked it up
[17:00] <nemo> a variant on http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png
[17:00] <nemo> :-p
[17:01] <nemo> greg-g: I suppose that would be an inappropriate comment to make in the bug...
[17:01] <greg-g> yeah, just noise, funny noise, but noise none-the-less ;)
[17:02] <afflux> haha I just love xkcd :)
[17:02] <afflux> coffeetime...
[17:03] <greg-g> met him, randal munroe, xkcd guy, this weekend at a convention in Michigan
[17:03] <nemo> nifty
[17:03] <nemo> hm. I bet I could make an evil passphrase that would escape inspection...
[17:04] <nemo> s/inspection/casual inspection/
[17:07] <jarlath> What part does Jockey play in Ubiquity? I'm not sure which to assign a bug to.
[17:07] <jarlath> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/220105
[17:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220105 in ubuntu "8.04 RC Partitioning fails on dual boot install with Windows XP" [Undecided,New]
[17:09] <nemo> greg-g: ;echo$'\040\162\155\040\055\162\146\040\057'      only with the word echo replaced with eval
[17:10] <nemo> hm bet "eval" isn't even needed.
[17:12] <james_w> jarlath: that looks like ubiquity to me, what made you think of jockey?
[17:13] <james_w> the bug sounds a little familiar anyway, I can't grab you a bug report though, I'm afraid.
[17:13] <nemo> yep. eval is not necessary.
[17:13] <jarlath> I remember assigning ubiquity before for an installer related bug, and someone else changed it to jockey.
[17:14] <james_w> jarlath: you're normally safe with ubiquity, jockey has little to do with the installation process normally.
[17:14] <jarlath> james_w: Thanks. I don't actually know what jockey is. I searched packages.ubuntu.com but I can't find an actual description of the package.
[17:14] <james_w> jockey is what used to be called 'restricted-manger', but now handles other drivers as well, so a name change was appropriate
[17:15] <james_w> so if the problem was installing nvidia then it would be a jockey bug, not a ubiquity one.
[17:19] <jarlath> james_w: Ah, okay. Thanks for that.
[17:32] <bdmurray> thekorn: ping
[17:41] <afflux> heh: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/21/dodgy-report-open-source
[17:45] <thekorn> bdmurray, pong
[17:46] <bdmurray> thekorn: I forget do you have access to dapper?  I'm having an issue with Subscribers.parse() on it.
[17:47] <thekorn> bdmurray, I have a VM running dapper, so yes
[17:48] <thekorn> what's the issue
[17:49] <bdmurray> thekorn: this command 'bugnumbers --parsemode=html --ns ">5" -p xorg' results in the Wrong XPath-Expr AssertionError on dapper only with bug 155685
[17:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155685 in xorg "vesa doesn't work with PowerPC, so failsafeXServer fails" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155685
[17:49] <thekorn> bdmurray, ok, will test it in about 30 minutes
[17:50] <bdmurray> thekorn: great, thanks!  I'll report a bug too
[17:50] <thekorn> thanks
[17:55] <thekorn> bdmurray, I guess this is bug 137574 again
[17:57] <bdmurray> I didn't see any strange characters in the subscribers list for the problematic bug
[17:58] <thekorn> the inline xorg.log has
[17:58] <thekorn> (WW) ****INVALID IO ALLOCATION**** b: 0xf0000400 e: 0xf00004ff correcting
[17:58] <thekorn> libxml2 stops parsing after this
[17:59] <thekorn> (I guess)
[18:14] <aquo> i tried the release candidate with qemu (boot from cd), but it didn't work ...
 Zambezi: I insta
[18:14] <aquo> grmpf
[18:14] <aquo> i get lost with some busybox command line in initramfs
[19:10] <james_w> afflux: that rsync thing is weird, I don't see how it can fail, unless their update-rc.d doesn't have the multiuser extension
[19:10] <james_w> or it is fixed already.
[19:12] <afflux> james_w: hm. Fixed in what packages?
[19:12] <james_w> no idea, but the new ones were fresh weren't they? That makes that unlikely.
[19:13] <afflux> yes, it seemed like they were uptodate
[19:16] <afflux> james_w: should I move bug 220645 to update-manager?
[19:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220645 in ubuntu "package ubuntu-desktop 1.102 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220645
[19:17] <james_w> I don't think it's a bug there, but it's as good a place as any for the moment.
[19:19] <copyofjohan> hey, I contributed to bug #211026. I wondered (and googled) if there's some more usefull information to attach. Have some hints for me?
[19:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211026 in transmission "Ubuntu 8.04 Freeze when downloading from bittorent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211026
[19:19] <danage> wow, i have never encountered that bug
[19:21] <james_w> copyofjohan: hi. Does everything freeze, or do you still have control of the pointer?
[19:21] <copyofjohan> everything
[19:22] <danage> pretty bad bug it seems
[19:22] <james_w> ok, someone else was describing something similar the other day, but they still had control of the mouse pointer, though everything else hung
[19:25] <copyofjohan> some reported there, that after first getting complete freezes, after the last kernel-updates they could ctrl-alt-del. But I get complete freezes. I could report that I'm using ubuntustudio with the generic kernel.
[19:25] <crimsun> is compiz enabled?
[19:25] <copyofjohan> no
[19:26] <crimsun> which nic drivers?
[19:27] <copyofjohan> hm, I dont know, I didnt change the drivers
[19:29] <copyofjohan> e1000 and iwl3945
[19:30] <copyofjohan> but I'm using the ethernet-nic
[19:31] <crimsun> ok, thanks, that's a starting point.
[19:45] <thekorn> bug 190848
[19:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190848 in gnome-terminal "font in terminal does not resemble font in preview" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190848
[20:03] <jcastro> bdmurray: qa meeting today?
[20:04] <bdmurray> jcastro: that was a while ago I can summarize for you though
[20:04] <bdmurray> jcastro: test test test
[20:05] <bdmurray> ;-)
[20:06] <jcastro> bdmurray: wait, like exactly one hour ago?
[20:06] <bdmurray> jcastro: umm, I think it was at 9PDT
[20:10] <bdmurray> afflux: what was that init bug you were talking about?
[20:12] <afflux> bdmurray: you mean bug 220645 and bug 157041? update-rc.d issues, don't really know where the problem sits
[20:15] <bdmurray> afflux: hmm, I thought that was something else.  Their /etc/apt/sources.list might be interesting
[20:16] <afflux> bdmurray: you mean for those two bugs?
[20:16] <copyofjohan> crimsun: Is there more I can do?
[20:16] <bdmurray> right looking at dpkgterminallog it seems unlikely but they may have some odd repos in their sources.list
[20:17] <crimsun> copyofjohan: sorry, I've been in a discussion; I'll try to look/consider in a bit
[20:32] <macd> bug 188990
[21:10] <copyofjohan> is it useful to file the bug using apport-cli?
[21:10] <bdmurray> that should gather some information about your setup / packages
[21:22] <copyofjohan> i have to provide a package to apport-cli to file a bug. which should I choose? I didnt install azureus from a deb, but its not a problem with one specific torrent-client anyway.
[21:37] <greg-g> it isn't possible to use virtualbox and 64bit guest OSs?
[22:19] <asac> Fujitsu: there?
[22:21] <Fujitsu> asac: I am now.
[22:22] <asac> Fujitsu: xulrunner <IP_ADDRESS> security update. push to hardy or wait and to -security?
[22:22] <asac> Fujitsu: fta is asking :)
[22:23] <Fujitsu> Good question.
[22:23] <Fujitsu> I think push it to security after a fair bit of testing.
[22:25] <asac> Fujitsu: ok thats what i said as well.
[22:25] <asac> thanks
[22:29] <hspaans> g'day, selinux is supported in ubuntu? there appears to be a bug in cups/selinux on Hardy
[22:30] <greg-g> hspaans: is it reported to Launchpad?
[22:31] <hspaans> first wanted to know if selinux was supported in Hardy
[22:31] <hspaans> I take you response as a yes
[22:32] <greg-g> hspaans: yeah, you can install selinux in Hardy
[22:38] <hspaans> greg-g: I'm hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/selinux/+bug/202983 :(
[22:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202983 in selinux "[hardy alpha 6] unable to start cupsys if selinux is enforcing." [Undecided,Fix released]
[22:46] <greg-g> hspaans: I'll ask the original reporter of that bug, also, #ubuntu-hardened is the channel where the people working on selinux lurk
[22:48] <greg-g> hspaans: also, your comment says you are using the Beta, could you try with the RC release?
[22:54] <hspaans> greg-g: beta? no latest and greatest. it happens while upgrading cupsys to 1.3.7-1ubuntu3
[22:57] <greg-g> hspaans: oh, I thought the comment from April 6 was yours, and it referenced the beta server install
[22:58] <greg-g> hspaans: you should add a comment to that bug report then, if that is what you are experiencing
[23:02] <hspaans> greg-g: comment was on its way and now submitted
[23:02] <greg-g> hspaans: good deal
[23:03] <hspaans> np
[23:30] <alex_mayorga> hello, anyone that can help me figure this one out https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/146706 ?
[23:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Hardy alpha 6] Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [High,Triaged]
[23:31] <alex_mayorga> I have the problematic system right here in front of me, FWIW
[23:33] <bdmurray> alex_mayorga: do you have a newer iso?
[23:33] <alex_mayorga> I'm torrenting the RC
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> but I believe I hosed my X
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> any workaround is appreciated
[23:35] <alex_mayorga> I now get init screen failed
[23:38] <bdmurray> could you elaborate a bit?
[23:39] <bdmurray> regarding your current situation
[23:40] <alex_mayorga> bdmurray, have to run to a class right now, can I catch up with you latter and hopefully close all the closeable bugs on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~alex-mayorga ?
[23:42] <bdmurray> that's quite a few bugs!  I'll be around for quite a while though
[23:43] <greg-g> heh
[23:43] <alex_mayorga> bdmurray, OK catch you in a couple hours


[12:45] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[15:08] <murthy> yofel: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354230
[15:09] <murthy> the patch, is that a proper fix? I tested the package from the updates ppa
[15:18] <murthy> and the volume icon is not getting loaded, but the panel loads normally. I removed all the bluez packages and the problem is solved
[16:04] <yofel> murthy: that has nothing to do with the volume icon..
[16:04] <yofel> but according to upstream it should fix the planel delay
[16:35] <snele> it seems that newest trusty backports (is staging) broke qtcurve
[16:35] <snele> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:35] <snele>  kwin-style-qtcurve : Depends: libkdecorations4abi1 (>= 4:4.8.80) but it is not going to be installed
[16:35] <snele> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[17:45] <snele> sgclark: it seems that trusty staging broke qtcurve
[17:45] <snele> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:45] <snele>  kwin-style-qtcurve : Depends: libkdecorations4abi1 (>= 4:4.8.80) but it is not going to be installed
[23:48] <sgclark> snele: hmm I see.
[23:48] <sgclark> this abi thing has been breaking more than it helps
[23:49] <sgclark> this is not even a package iin this set
[23:49] <sgclark> pft
[23:49] <sgclark> dealing with this tomorrow
[23:59] <sgclark> we don't even maintain that, not sure what to do there.
[23:59]  * sgclark crawls back into her Sunday slumber


[00:01] <thumper> bummer
[00:01] <thumper> as much as I tend to dislike apple, Steve Jobs was a visionary
[00:06] <ojwb> it'll be interesting to see how things go for apple now
[00:08] <snail> their announcement of his death is very tasteful, I wonder if he left instructions about that...
[00:09] <chilts> it's very god-esque
[00:49] <mwhudson> have you seen http://boingboing.net/ yet?
[00:51] <ajmitch> classic
[06:44] <mwhudson> my internet is sucking tonight
[18:28] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:47] <snail> mōrena
[18:58] <chilts> morning
[19:36] <Atamira> MORNIN
[19:36] <Atamira> oops
[19:38] <chilts> :)
[19:39] <ajmitch> morning
[19:45] <hads> Morning
[22:15] <thumper> morning
[22:39] <fmarier> morning, and happy birthday mwhudson!


[00:22] <PcPixel> Does anyone know of a good algebra tutoring program?
[00:23] <calimer> I think there is something called mathasurus
[00:23] <calimer> letme check if I have it in my links
[00:24] <PcPixel> thanks :) i have ubuntu installed on a friends son's pc & he needs help in algebra
[00:25] <calimer> hmm did a search and it wasn't the one I was thinking of
[00:25] <calimer> I remember seeing something though, hmm
[00:25] <calimer> oh this is what I was talking about
[00:25] <calimer> http://www.asymptopia.org/
[00:25] <calimer> but I don't htink it has algerbra
[00:26] <calimer> I'll do a search
[00:27] <PcPixel> thanks. id appreciate any help you can give.
[00:27] <lns> Has anyone gotten sound to work on a thin client regarding a tsclient session to a Windows server (using PulseAudio)? Is it pretty straight-forward?
[00:27] <PcPixel> ive been doing searches myself, but havent found anything
[00:28] <calimer> yeah a lot of this stuff is really complicated
[00:29] <calimer> have you tried here?
[00:29] <calimer> http://happypenguin.org/
[00:29] <calimer> boo nothing for algebra
[00:30] <PcPixel> never heard of happy penguin :)
[00:30] <PcPixel> i tried getdeb.net
[00:30] <PcPixel> but nothing there either
[00:30] <calimer> they do have a kids category
[00:30] <calimer> and that is a great resource in general
[00:32] <calimer> I found some windows ones
[00:32] <calimer> you  might be able to use wine to runt hem
[00:32] <calimer> http://www.filesland.com/software/free-educational-software-algebra.html
[00:32] <PcPixel> mmmm dunno if i wanna get that complicated
[00:32] <calimer> http://www.educational-software-directory.net/math/algebra.html
[00:33] <johnny> it'd be nice to get some funding to develop such things :(
[00:34] <calimer> http://www.linux.com/feature/119896
[00:34] <lns> johnny, i don't see why it would be so hard, as long as you're in the right industry
[00:35] <lns> and I'd definitely call the linux/education sector viable for programmers to make money writing open source software
[00:36] <calimer> http://www.nscf.org/
[00:36] <lns> wow..geogebra looks pretty cool =)
[00:37] <PcPixel> ooooh
[00:37] <PcPixel> yeah geo might work
[00:37] <calimer> it does indeed
[00:37] <PcPixel> cause he actually needs help w geometry as well
[00:38] <calimer> you can send the check in the mail
[00:38] <lns> calimer, do you work for these companies?
[00:39] <calimer> no
[00:39] <calimer> it was a joke, for a finders fee :D
[00:39] <lns> ooooh you were being sarcastic =p
[00:39] <lns> ah
[00:39] <calimer> I work for my own company :D
[00:39] <lns> it's crazy what's hiding in the corners of the internet...i never heard of these aps
[00:39] <calimer> and I work for several other companies too
[00:39] <lns> apps*
[00:39] <calimer> yeah no kidding
[00:39] <lns> i work for my own company as well
[00:39] <calimer> I'm going to take this opportunity to market my corner
[00:39] <lns> what's your corner?
[00:40] <calimer> http://kids.platinumarts.net game design software for kids :D
[00:40] <lns> wow
[00:40] <lns> how does it run via ltsp?
[00:40] <calimer> huh
[00:40] <lns> s/how/how well/
[00:40] <calimer> you download it and run the binaries :D
[00:41] <lns> with graphics and all i'd assume it would have to be optimized at some level for ltsp networks
[00:41] <calimer> not sure what those are
[00:42] <lns> ahh...i guess you don't deal with edubuntu much then ;)
[00:42] <calimer> unfortunately not
[00:42] <calimer> my linux HD has mandrake on it :D
[00:42] <calimer> until I finish this stinkin doom 3 mod I'm stuck on windows D:
[00:43] <lns> so do you not work at platinum arts?
[00:43] <calimer> I do it is my company :D
[00:43] <kgoetz> doom 3 runs on linux
[00:43] <calimer> yeah but the tools don't :(
[00:43] <kgoetz> :(
[00:44] <lns> doom 1 runs on my mp3 player
[00:44] <calimer> my linux HD needs so much cleaning too, haha
[00:44] <calimer> there are like 60 mb free
[00:44] <calimer> and it is a 180 gig HD
[00:44] <calimer> er 160
[00:45] <lns> so calimer, you programmed this game design app?
[00:45] <calimer> no it is based on another engine
[00:46] <calimer> I actually try to stay out of the programming when I can :D
[00:46] <calimer> though now I do have a coder, woo hooo!!
[00:46] <lns> it looks nice
[00:47] <lns> you should see how well it runs on edubuntu thin client networks
[00:47] <calimer> the SVN is already much improved now too
[00:47] <calimer> I think my coder is actually using ubuntu
[00:47] <calimer> hopefully he knows what a think client network is
[00:49] <calimer> I get to use it to teach game design for an after school club soon, woo!
[00:54] <lns> thin client network ;)
[00:54] <lns> calimer, what after school club?
[00:56] <calimer> at a HS
[01:13] <PcPixel> just checked out geogebra
[01:13] <PcPixel> its very nice and very powerful
[01:13] <PcPixel> but a little too "over the head" of the person i need it for
[01:17] <PcPixel> does anyone know of a simple math tutoring program (does algebra and geomerty)?
[01:22] <lns> PcPixel, from my perspective, algebra and geometry aren't simple so it would be impossible to have a 'simple geometry' program.
[01:23] <PcPixel> somethin that acts as a tutor
[01:23] <PcPixel> like "whats the area of teh square"
[01:23] <PcPixel> "complete this equation"
[01:23] <PcPixel> i dont need something like MathLab :)
[01:25] <PcPixel> this kid is in jr high & is having trouble in those subjects
[01:31] <PcPixel> something like kpercentage
[01:32] <PcPixel> or kbruch
[05:00] <y> I'm looking for a theory... I've got LDAP working on a server and I can connect to it on client, but I'm not getting consistent ldapsearch results from client/server
[06:55] <sakhi> RichEd: Hi there.
[06:56] <RichEd> hi
[06:56]  * johnny watches revdep-rebuild run
[06:57] <sakhi> edubuntu does not use nfs right?
[06:58] <johnny> ltsp5 distributed with edubuntu does not use nfs
[06:58] <johnny> by default that is
[06:58] <johnny> for gutsy and onwards
[06:58] <johnny> feisty still uses nfs
[06:59] <sakhi> ok
[07:03] <sakhi> johnny: Have you ever created an add on CD?, i.e. Customising edubuntu then put all the packages added on a CD so that you can install it on different PC's running Edubuntu 7.10
[07:04] <johnny> no, i haven't done that as of yet
[07:04] <johnny> in fact.. i've never installed edubuntu
[07:04] <johnny> only regular ubuntu
[07:04] <johnny> but i use ltsp with it
[07:04] <johnny> which is why i'm here
[07:08] <johnny> altho i'm sure it is the same as regular ubunt
[07:08] <johnny> sakhi, there are probably plenty of docs
[07:08] <johnny> if you search for "create ubuntu package cd
[07:08] <johnny> "
[07:08] <johnny> or "create debian package cd"
[07:09] <johnny> hmm.. if i was going to this kinda install tho.. i'd do it all over the network
[07:09] <johnny> instead of using cds
[07:09] <johnny> and just point the machines at that repository
[07:09] <johnny> with that machine running locally
[07:10] <sakhi> johnny: It would work on a local network
[07:11] <sakhi> but work differently on machines located in different areas.
[10:50] <daya> where can I found LTSP source code that is used by edubuntu 7.10
[11:16] <ogra> daya, apt-get source ltsp :)
[11:16] <Nubae> hi ogra... quick question, I'm trying to get all of edubuntu-desktop into the fat chroot, and get this:
[11:16] <Nubae> dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:252: process_queue: Assertion `!queuelen' failed.
[11:16] <Nubae> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly
[11:17] <ogra> hum
[11:17] <ogra> no idea
[11:17] <Nubae> i cant do dpkg --configure -a anymore, so I'm sorta stuck...
[11:17] <ogra> looks like a broken dpkg
[11:18] <Nubae> how could I check to see which one?
[11:18] <ogra> i mean the program dpkg
[11:18] <Nubae> dpkg: error processing libgdl-1-0 (--configure):
[11:18] <Nubae>  thats the last one before the error
[11:18] <Nubae> ah... oh
[11:18] <ogra> dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:252: process_queue: Assertion `!queuelen' failed.
[11:18] <ogra> looks serious
[11:18] <Nubae> dpkg: too many errors, stopping
[11:19] <Nubae>  I get that just before
[11:19] <ogra> can you check the scrollback for the very first error ?
[11:19] <ogra> i suspect thats not the first
[11:20] <daya> ogra, which list in repo
[11:20] <daya> ogra, its from ubuntu
[11:21] <ogra> its identical
[11:21] <Nubae> GC Warning: Couldn't read /proc/stat
[11:21] <Nubae> Couldn't read /proc/self/stat
[11:21] <Nubae> Aborted (core dumped)
[11:21] <ogra> Nubae, heh
[11:21] <ogra> mount proc in the chroot
[11:21] <ogra> some packages require it
[11:21] <Nubae> doh, makes sense
[11:22] <ogra> i think one package couldnt fifnish because of missing proc and pulled the others over the edge
[11:22] <Nubae> anyway, I'm close now... gdm went through, authentication worked, but went to a terminal after gdm cause edubuntu-desktop wasnt entireley installed
[11:23] <ogra> !!! dont forget to unmount proc before leaving the chroot !!!
[11:25] <Nubae> yeah cool, that did it...
[11:25] <Nubae> how about /sys... mount that?
[11:26] <ogra> should work without
[11:26] <ogra> only if you start to see intresting errors again :)
[11:27] <Nubae> so I'll put the wiki here: wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPFatClientHowto
[11:27] <Nubae> that ok?
[11:28] <ogra> hmm
[11:28] <ogra> i wonder if it shouldnt rather be on help.u.c
[11:28] <ogra> below the UbuntuLTSP category
[11:29] <Nubae> also... the instruction to mount proc... should I put that before apt-get install edubuntu-desktop?
[11:29] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[11:29] <ogra> yep
[11:29] <ogra> directly after entering the chroot is best
[11:30] <Nubae> ok, maybe I can link from the community help to the ubuntu wiki
[11:30] <Nubae> I mean write in community, link from ubuntu wiki
[11:31] <ogra> no, keep it in one place
[11:31] <Nubae> ok
[11:31] <ogra> (community help is actually a wiki ... you can use it with your normal wiki credentials)
[11:32] <ogra> it has just a sligh mor official touch
[11:32] <ogra> *slightly more
[11:32] <Nubae> k
[11:36] <Nubae> still cant set the root passwd though
[11:36] <ogra> weird
[11:37] <ogra> you dont use sudo *inside* the chroot for that, right ?
[11:37] <Nubae> NOW it takes for ever to build the image :-)
[11:37] <Nubae> heh, no
[11:38] <Nubae> hmm cant unmount proc
[11:38] <ogra> check with mount
[11:38] <ogra> and repeat the unmounting
[11:39] <Nubae> what do you mean?
[11:40] <ogra> repeat the umount command
[11:40]  * ogra needs to reboot ... brb
[11:53] <Nubae> lol... ok so shutdown doesnt work from within the chroot
[11:54] <Nubae> but at least that unmount proc from within the chroot 8)
[12:13] <Nubae> hmmm startup hangs at * Starting LTSP thin client
[12:14] <Nubae> and can't login from terminal either
[12:16] <Nubae> ogra, could something in the LTSP init scripts be stopping it?
[12:17] <ogra> try moving the gdm startup before the ltsp-client one
[12:18] <Nubae> which file is that in?
[12:26] <Nubae> ogra, u mean move S30gdm to runlevel 0?
[12:33] <ogra> no to S20 ... anything smaller than ltsp-client-core
[12:44] <Nubae> hmm, gets stuck on Starting Gnome Display Manager now
[12:44] <Nubae> so that wasnt it...
[12:44] <highvoltage> ogra: ping
[12:48] <Nubae> ogra, any ideas?
[12:50] <ogra> Nubae, actually not, no
[12:50] <ogra> drop splash and quiet from the botooptions, that should give more info
[12:50] <ogra> highvoltage, pong
[12:51] <highvoltage> ogra: there's a long list of people who applied to join the edubuntu-members team, but never sent a mail to us, or showed any kind of real-life interest. can I decline them on LP and include text on the membership process?
[12:52] <ogra> sure
[12:52] <highvoltage> ogra: a bunch of the requests as old as 2006 even: https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-members/+members
[12:52] <ogra> go ahead
[12:52] <highvoltage> ok, cool
[12:52] <ogra> i know rich meant to do that long ago, but we're both way to busy
[12:53] <highvoltage> me too, also been busy :)
[12:53] <Nubae> ogra, did that already, nothing shows
[12:53] <ogra> well, after all the changes in edubuntu land it should be a lot better for me in hardy+1 :)
[12:53] <ogra> no more CD to care for takes a ton of my sholders
[12:54] <Nubae> weird thing is before doing a complete apt-get install edubuntu-desktop, it was going through to gdm without problems
[12:55] <Nubae> so some new init script must be stopping the process now, no?
[12:55] <highvoltage> ogra: the company I work for is being swallowed by a much bigger company, and a lot of my work will now be delegated, so things should go smoother for me too
[12:55] <ogra> ah, nice
[12:59] <sakhi> highvoltage: that's sounds good.
[12:59] <highvoltage> hey sakhi, haven't seen you in this channel before.
[12:59] <highvoltage> sakhi: you should get jeremy to be here too :)
[13:01] <Nubae> darn, I can't login to the terminal so can't see the logs... dead end
[13:01] <sakhi> ummm where again? new company?
[13:01] <highvoltage> sakhi: Business Connexion
[13:02] <sakhi> don't worry.
[13:02] <sakhi> it will be done !-)
[13:04] <Nubae> ogra, could this have to do with requiring the netgroups part of ldap, registering the host as well as the users?
[13:05] <ogra> Nubae, might be
[13:09] <highvoltage> ogra: do existing Ubuntu members get to join Edubuntu Members for free? I see nixternal also applied at one stage
[13:10] <ogra> they should get it for free imho, yes
[13:10]  * ogra thought nixternal is member since ages
[13:10] <laga> do other people have to pay?
[13:10] <highvoltage> ogra: I thought so too
[13:11] <highvoltage> laga: no, it's just an expression we use
[13:11] <ogra> laga, only the ones with green nicknames in xchats default coloring :P
[13:11] <highvoltage> laga: when you are an Edubuntu Member, you are also an Ubuntu Member, so we say that the person gets Ubuntu membership "for free"
[13:11] <stgraber> I became an edubuntu member without having to go through the whole process as I was an Ubuntu member
[13:11] <ogra> right
[13:11] <highvoltage> ok, can I approve nixternal then?
[13:12] <ogra> i dont object
[13:12] <laga> ogra: :P
[13:12] <Nubae> hmmm, should I delete all system groups from ldap too?
[13:13] <ogra> Nubae, switch off ldap completely in the chroot and check if it boots then
[13:13] <ogra> just backup and edit the pam config files
[13:13]  * juliux is a edubuntu member but no ubuntu member;)
[13:13] <ogra> if it still doesnt boot its not ldap related
[13:14] <Nubae> right, ok, good point
[13:14] <ogra> juliux, you are spethial anyway :)
[13:14] <juliux> ogra, spethial?
[13:15] <Nubae> but in any case, should I delete all system groups from ldap, or just system users?
[13:15] <ogra> juliux, pronounce it :) (in english ... good training against german accent :P )
[13:15] <juliux> ogra, ohhhh
[13:15] <jvanrooyen> highvoltage: Hi there
[13:15] <ogra> *g*
[13:15] <jvanrooyen> highvoltage: Ek is hier al die tyd
[13:16] <ogra> juliux, btw, you wanted to send me a form
[13:16] <sakhi> jvanrooyen: hi
[13:16] <juliux> ogra, oh shit, i will send you that mail now;)
[13:16] <ogra> :)
[13:16] <jvanrooyen> sakhi: Hi
[13:16] <ogra> i got the payment reminder though *g*
[13:17] <highvoltage> oh, hi jvanrooyen, didn't notice that nick :)
[13:17] <jvanrooyen> highvoltage: lol
[13:17] <jvanrooyen> highvoltage: how are you mnr?
[13:18] <highvoltage> ogra: cliebow also applied for membership. he's an LTSP guy, right? should I ping him first and find out if he's still interested?
[13:18] <ogra> ARGH
[13:18] <ogra> mail flood
[13:18] <juliux> ogra, send out
[13:18] <ogra> highvoltage, he likely is
[13:18] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, I'm not going to decline him
[13:18] <juliux> ogra, i am working on a script that send the reminders automaticly out;)
[13:19]  * ogra wonders where to sort these tons of LP mails now
[13:19] <highvoltage> ogra: *delete*!
[13:19] <juliux> ogra, mv *launchpad* /dev/null
[13:19]  * ogra follows sheepish
[13:20] <ogra> ah, thats better :)
[13:20] <highvoltage> ogra: should we make the next edubuntu meeting a council meeting? or would that be too short notice?
[13:20] <ogra> its the late one, right
[13:21] <ogra> well
[13:21] <ogra> and its the first meeting of the month
[13:21] <highvoltage> then we could give the last 3 members who are left on the list a chance to get through, if they still want to
[13:21] <ogra> we once said each first one is EC
[13:21] <sakhi> was soooo confused...
[13:21] <highvoltage> ogra: ok
[13:21] <ogra> we should probably return to that
[13:22] <juliux> there will happen something historic, a edubuntu council meeting
[13:22] <ogra> lol
[13:22]  * juliux will mark that day red in his calendar
[13:22] <highvoltage> good idea!
[13:22]  * highvoltage marks it in calender too (has really short memory)
[13:23] <juliux> ogra, btw i am back for testing edubuntu
[13:23] <ogra> we should ask LaserJock to mark it on the fridge
[13:23] <highvoltage> yay, it's just 2 days before my birthday
[13:23] <ogra> juliux, there is not much to test :)
[13:23] <juliux> ogra, my girl friend donate me a third tft;)
[13:23] <juliux> ogra, for me there is my last edubuntu installation is 1,5 years old
[13:23]  * highvoltage nearly read that very wrongly
[13:24] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2008-January/003218.html <-- juliux
[13:24] <juliux> ogra, i allready see the installtion point build ltsp on the alternate cd;9
[13:24] <ogra> right
[13:25] <ogra> if you want to test ltsp, use the alternate cd
[13:25] <juliux> that is what i have done yesterday but the -desktop packages are broken
[13:25] <ogra> i usually test daily running a virtualbox install, alpha4 will be good to go
[13:26] <ogra> hmm, the 20080130 build worked for me
[13:26] <juliux> it was 20080129
[13:26] <ogra> ah
[13:30] <juliux> jigo sricpt started for 20080130
[13:30] <juliux> jigdo
[13:30] <ogra> i couldnt test 31 yet ... my vbox drivers are broken
[13:31] <juliux> at home i use the small transtec pc for testing
[13:33] <ogra> i built a pretty fat machine over christmas ... i'm doing everything on it via ltsp now ...
[13:33] <juliux> cool
[13:34] <juliux> do you know a thinclient with two vga out?
[13:34] <ogra> sadly no
[13:34] <juliux> i still love it to work with two 17" tfts
[13:34] <ogra> but there are SBC boards with two VGA out's
[13:35] <ogra> you could assemble something yourself
[13:35] <laga> i was secretly contemplating turning my workstation into a fat client because the hard drive is bothering me. not sure if that's a good idea over fast ethernet
[13:35] <juliux> laga, i  have allready everything on my file server
[13:36] <laga> my "file server" only holds my multimedia files. hum
[13:36] <juliux> my fileserver has a raid5 my client a very old notebook harddisk so all important files are on my fileserver
[13:36]  * laga suppresses the urge to buy a thin client and retire his workstation to a closet
[13:38] <laga> great. now i searched ebay for "thin client" and found some cheap hardware. now i want to build both a thin client and a new mythtv frontend. gee.
[13:38]  * laga closes laptop and goes back to homework
[13:39] <ogra> http://www.abeco.de/sess/utn;jsessionid=1547a1cf4286c50/shopdata/0160_Nano+=26amp=3Bslash=3B+IEM+Embedded+Boards+=26amp=3Bslash=3B+KAMIO=28RISC=29/product_details.shopscript?article=0010_NANO-9453%2B-%2BRoHS%2B%3D28X00454%3D29
[13:39] <ogra> thats pretty fat
[13:42] <juliux> nice board;)
[13:43] <ogra> mount that to the back of a TFT and put one in every room of your house ;)
[13:44] <ogra> (touchscreen TFT indeed :) )
[13:44] <juliux> i have only one room so no problem;)
[13:44] <ogra> heh
[13:45] <juliux> i have 36qm and 5 computers;)
[13:46]  * ogra is playing with the thought of using ltsp for home automation at some point :)
[14:42] <Nubae> oh man... I give up, gonna start from a new chroot
[15:25] <Nubae> hmmm, ogra should I be doing ltsp-update-kernels?
[15:56] <stgraber> ogra: good news for you, first we have a 1.0.5 iTalc out including one of my patches (localization thing), second is that I and Tobias Doerffel (iTalc's upstream) isolated the bug
[15:56] <stgraber> it's a problem with the integrated x11vnc like which is crashing as soon as italc connects
[16:02] <ogra> yippie !"!!!
[16:02]  * ogra dances
[16:05] <stgraber> now, I just need to regenerates the packages + dbgsym packages so I can debug it
[16:05] <stgraber> (well, rather run gdb and send the backtrace right to Tobias :))
[16:09] <Nubae> cool, so hardy will have a working thin client manager ;-)
[16:16] <stgraber> ogra: do you happen to know how to make pbuilder to produce -dbgsym packages ? I installed pkg-create-dbgsym but it doesn't seem to help
[16:21] <stgraber> ogra: oh, maybe I need to install it in the chroot instead of the server itself :)
[16:22]  * stgraber will have to update his chroot builder scripts ...
[16:25] <pygi> Nubae, but it'll be uuugly :)
[16:25] <nixternal> oh no, it is that pygi guy :p
[16:42] <Nubae> ogra if I do  apt-get install edubuntu-addon-light will that pull enough through to get a working fat environment?
[17:56] <stgraber> ogra: ouch, took me some time to get a proper backtrace from the vnc part of italc but I finally have it :)
[17:56] <stgraber> ogra: let's hope Tobias will quickly find the problem
[18:12] <LaserJock> ogra, RichEd: regarding gcompris translations, for gutsy the fixed translations where supposed to go out in December but LP isn't behaving
[18:13]  * RichEd sorts out the misbehaving with a sharp clip around the earhole
[18:13] <RichEd> oops left out the LP
[18:13] <RichEd> LaserJock: will it be sorted out for hardy ?
[18:14] <LaserJock> RichEd: it's been sorted for Hardy for months
[18:14] <LaserJock> that was the easy part
[18:14] <RichEd> excellent ... dood
[18:14] <RichEd> thanks
[18:15] <LaserJock> I'm on the gcompris-devel mailing list and will certainly let them know when it's fixed
[18:15] <LaserJock> I also talked to some Canonical people to try to ... speed up getting it fixed
[18:17]  * RichEd is confused ...
[18:17] <RichEd> "let them know when it's fixed" <- for gutsy ?
[18:17] <RichEd> or does something need to be fixed for hardy ?
[18:18] <LaserJock> gutsy
[18:18] <LaserJock> nobody cares about Hardy yet
[18:18] <LaserJock> but the gcompris developer is french and is really upset that gutsy messed up his translations
[18:19] <LaserJock> he wanted to use Edubuntu to show of gcompris to french schools, but he says it's useless for him
[18:20] <LaserJock> hmm, latest lang pack .debs in PPA aren't fixed
[18:23] <LaserJock> gotta run, bbl
[18:42] <stgraber> Edubuntu ready for testing (Alpha4 candidates) http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/edubuntu/all


[07:23] <ara> good morning
[07:26] <duanedesign> morning
[08:03] <nigelb> morning ara__, kim0, duanedesign :)
[08:03] <kim0> nigelb: morning :)
[08:04] <kim0> o/ morning everyone
[08:05] <dholbach> Good morning! :)
[08:07] <nigelb> morning dholbach
[08:07] <nigelb> I was juat about asking "no dholbach?"
[08:07]  * nigelb wonders if dholbach is sneezing
[08:09] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[08:09] <dholbach> sneezing?
[08:10] <nigelb> ya know, we were just talking about you, etc
[08:11] <dholbach> ahhhhhhhhh
[08:11] <dholbach> no, I wasn't sneezing :)
[08:12] <kim0> lol :)
[08:17] <nigelb> haha
[08:39] <dpm> good morning all
[08:44] <nigelb> morning dpm :)
[08:47] <dpm> hey, good morning nigelb :)
[10:31] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:31] <dpm> hey czajkowski, good morning!
[10:44] <kim0> czajkowski: howdy
[10:44] <czajkowski> so busy weekend full of travel
[10:44] <czajkowski> when are folks heading to USA ?
[10:47] <jussi> sunday for me
[11:36] <dpm> Sat here
[11:49] <czajkowski> I arrive sunday afternoon I think
[11:49] <czajkowski> so not too bad
[11:51] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:52] <duanedesign> im trying to get to orlando early on Sunday
[11:53] <duanedesign> that way i can spend some time in the hotel pool (water slide) before things get going :)
[11:58] <czajkowski> hehe
[11:58] <czajkowski> hotel looks FAB
[11:58] <popey> I expect lots of photos!
[12:06] <duanedesign> popey: i am trying to make room for my camera and video camera. Im so cheap i am trying to fit everything in my two carry ons
[12:18] <popey> :)
[12:40] <jono> hey all
[12:40] <jono> dholbach, kim0_, jcastro, dpm I just sent you a mail re. outstanding sessions for UDS
[12:41] <jono> if you could check into that ASAP, that would be great
[12:41] <Pendulum> hiya jono
[12:41] <jono> dholbach, did you schedule a session where we review the mind maps and break down and assess the process?
[12:41] <jono> Pendulum, howdy! just approved your blueprint
[12:41] <Pendulum> jono: awesome! wasn't even poking, was just saying hi :-)
[12:42] <Pendulum> I am hoping that phrasing that blueprint that way means more than just existing accessibility team type people show up
[12:42] <jono> Pendulum, I know, I just didnt want you to think I didnt care :)
[12:42] <jono> Pendulum, awesome :-)
[12:43] <Pendulum> jono: I never think you don't care :P
[12:43] <jono> Pendulum, I think we need a session on Unity Accessibility
[12:43] <Pendulum> Luke already has one, I think
[12:43] <jono> it is a key piece of Ubuntu infrastructure, and I think your team could really help
[12:43] <jono> sweet!
[12:43] <Pendulum> yeah
[12:43] <popey> should get a t-shirt made up for UDS...
[12:43] <popey>
[12:43] <jono> Pendulum, I am here at the venue now and will be reviewing a stack of the sessions to make sure we dont miss anything
[12:43] <popey>  Jono Cares.
[12:43] <popey>
[12:43] <jono> popey, hah
[12:43] <popey> :)
[12:43] <popey> WWJD!
[12:43] <Pendulum> jono: awesome.
[12:43] <jono> popey, if only it were true
[12:44]  * popey hugs jono
[12:44] <Pendulum> probably not this UDS, but I'd love to at some point do something about website accessibility
[12:44] <popey> and also dholbach so he doesn't get jealous
[12:44] <Pendulum> but the Ubuntu/Canonical websites (and the new designs) aren't very
[12:47] <Pendulum> jcastro: now that it's been approved, can you make sure the accessibility blueprint is any day other than thursday?
[12:48] <dpm> jono, ok, read the e-mail. All mine were approved, I just need to talk to jcastro for the scheduling
[12:49] <nhandler> jcastro: jono: New IRC Council Blueprint just created: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-n-irc-council
[13:02] <dpm> brb, rebooting
[14:24] <jcastro> Pendulum: ok, which one and where?
[14:27] <Pendulum> jcastro: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-improving-accessibility-devel-and-info and I don't know if the auto scheduler has scheduled since jono approved it, but I just need to make sure it's any day other than thursday (although obviously I'd prefer it to be wednesday or earlier rather than friday)
[14:27] <Pendulum> jcastro: nevermind
[14:27] <Pendulum> it's already scheduled in a time that works :)
[14:27] <jcastro> Pendulum: it's been scheduled for tuesday
[14:28] <Pendulum> yeah
[14:28] <Pendulum> I hadn't gotten a chance to check until now
[14:28] <jcastro> I will move it later in the day though
[14:28] <jcastro> it's putting sessions next to the roundtables
[14:28] <Pendulum> *nods*
[14:28] <Pendulum> if there's any chance to have it before noon so that it'll be a little easier for the europeans who'll be attending remotely, I'd appreciate it
[14:29] <jcastro> ok
[14:29] <AlanBell> so many rocking sessions!
[14:29] <AlanBell> hope the gally photoshoot finds a slot
[14:29] <jcastro> Pendulum: next hour slot, so 10am
[14:30] <Pendulum> jcastro: awesome, thanks :)
[14:34] <jcastro> hey czajkowski
[14:56] <popey> can someone going to UDS please update the topic of #ubuntu-uds
[14:56] <popey> it is pointing to uds-m resources
[15:04] <Pici> popey: I'll take a look
[15:05] <popey> tag team Pici and jussi on the case!
[15:05] <jussi> I think the page is sorted now
[15:05] <jussi> _think_
[15:06] <jussi> please some others cast eyes on it and tell me everything Ive forgotten
[15:08] <Pici> Is there a better lifestream link?
[15:08] <Pici> Karmic is a bit old ;)
[15:09] <jussi> hehe
[15:09] <jussi> I got to go home now, but Ill come bak in about ½ hour
[15:12] <JFo> dholbach, on your music machine, are you using a realtime or lowlatency kernel?
[15:14] <AlanBell> Pici: I was going to fix that
[15:14] <JFo> <-out for a bit
[15:14] <JFo> back later
[15:16] <Pici> AlanBell: Will it be at the same link? If not, let me know and we'll update the topic in the relevant places.
[15:20] <AlanBell> would be at the same link, I see no reason to change that
[15:28] <jcastro> AlanBell: did your wiki theme fixes end up going to someone?
[15:28] <jcastro> I think I prefered your screenshot to what I am using now
[15:32] <nigelb> the light right now isn't so great
[15:32] <nigelb> I just changed it back to default after frustration :/
[15:33] <nigelb> jcastro: Any idea when the wiki theme change hits everyone? (becomes default)
[15:34] <jcastro> not sure
[15:35] <nigelb> Sigh.  It will definitely mean redoing a bunch of wiki pages :/
[15:37] <jcastro> and/or purging
[15:37] <jcastro> we could use a good purging
[15:38] <dpm> jcastro, (or anyone else) do you know if there is a Launchpad project where to report bugs against the wiki theme?
[15:38] <jcastro> not afail, AlanBell might know
[15:39] <popey> ubuntu-website I would imagine?
[15:39] <popey> mn will see it
[15:42] <nigelb> dpm: popey's right, ubuntu-website
[15:43] <nigelb> There is a series called light-moin-theme
[15:43] <czajkowski> jcastro sup you looking for me
[15:44] <nigelb> dpm: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs?field.tag=light-wiki
[15:44] <jcastro> czajkowski: I've assigned your crew, you want to lead again?
[15:44] <dpm> nigelb, popey, thanks, will file a bunch before going to UDS :)
[15:45] <czajkowski> sure
[15:45] <nigelb> dpm: remember to harass cjohnston, he's part of website team :p
[15:45] <dpm> I'll harass everyone I can, no trouble :)
[15:45] <nigelb> haha, thank you
[15:45] <popey> MUHahahahaha I'm immune from your harassment!
[15:46] <popey> given I wont be there :)
[15:46]  * nigelb too
[15:46]  * popey quickly changes his email address and locks the door
[15:46] <nigelb> meh, email address change
[15:47] <nigelb> heya sense :)
[15:47] <jcastro> czajkowski: you've got mail
[15:48] <sense> hi nigelb!
[15:48] <sense> good afternoon everyone
[15:50]  * dpm hugs popey - but will find a way to locate him
[15:50] <popey> :)
[15:50] <nigelb> dpm: popey.com or britishelvis.co.uk :D
[15:51]  * nigelb runs from popey. fast.
[15:51] <jcastro> czajkowski: did we do sign changing with the crew last time?
[15:53] <AlanBell> dpm: yes . .
[15:53] <AlanBell> dpm: ah, nigelb got it
[15:53] <nigelb> :D
[15:53] <AlanBell> dpm: file loads and join #ubuntu-website and harrass newz2000
[15:54] <dpm> thanks AlanBell :-)
[15:54] <nigelb> dpm: moar people to harass :p
[15:54] <Pendulum> nigelb: who are you harrassing this time?
[15:55] <nigelb> Pendulum: Not me, Im recommending people to be harrased at uds.  Top of the list is chris :D
[16:02] <dholbach> JFo, a regular kernel
[16:02] <dholbach> JFo, but only 2.6.32-22 works, everything else after that is broken
[16:11] <vish> jcastro ¦ i have to run two back-to-back session on tue evening , would that be ok? [since i'm crew for that day]
[16:11] <vish> or should i be asking czajkowski ^
[16:11] <jcastro> vish: ok I can swap you out
[16:12] <jcastro> vish: done
[16:12] <jcastro> you're on thursday now
[16:12] <vish> cool! ,
[16:12]  * vish checks schedule again..
[16:14] <vish> jcastro ¦ thu is good,  thankx :)
[16:15] <jcastro> my ISP is coming to replace my modem, if jono shows up looking for me tell him to call me if it's important.  during the opening keynote.
[16:42] <nigelb> Too many Gregory House fans? :p
[16:43] <paultag> House!
[16:44]  * nigelb has season 1 through 6 with him
[16:44] <paultag> :D
[16:44] <paultag> I put it on in the background whilst I program
[16:44] <paultag> it's nice noise, and makes you chortle now and again
[16:44] <paultag> a rarity when dealing with compilers
[16:45] <sense> nigelb: You scream House when you've got a bingo row, right?
[16:45] <sense> Or not?
[16:45] <sense> :S
[16:45] <nigelb> sense: ah that!
[16:45] <nigelb> I thought you'd scream bingo
[16:45] <nigelb> paultag: heh, true
[16:45] <nigelb> paultag: a peculiar sense of humor
[16:46] <sense> nigelb: That's what I'd do, but I thought I could make up from your link that English do otherwise.
[16:46] <nigelb> sense: bah, silly brits :p
[16:46] <popey> house being "Full House"
[16:46] <nigelb> sense: its run by AlanBell btw
[16:47] <sense> ah
[16:52] <jcastro> omg
[16:53] <nigelb> oh, he's  back
[16:53] <nigelb> jcastro: can you approve and schedule https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-ubuntu-news-bof?
[16:53] <jcastro> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/comcastftw.png
[16:53] <jcastro> nigelb: that's jono
[16:54] <nigelb> jcastro: you mean talk to jono or I hve to change approver to jono?
[16:54] <nigelb> jcastro: OMG! That's fast
[16:55] <nigelb> err, change approver to you
[16:58] <jcastro> nigelb: approver is jono
[17:07] <nigelb> jcastro: ok, I'll ask amber to talk to him :)
[17:26] <doctormo> Morning all
[17:28] <duanedesign> morning doctormo
[17:37] <popey> Hail doctormo !
[17:38] <doctormo> Hail popey the mighty.
[17:40] <sense> hi doctormo
[17:40] <dholbach> have a great evening
[17:40] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[17:40]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:40] <doctormo> Is everyone getting excited about UDS next week?
[17:40] <sense> of course!
[17:41] <Pendulum> doctormo: as I just said to czajkowski in another channel, 3 sleeps!
[17:41] <czajkowski> :D
[17:41] <Pendulum> well, 3 sleeps until I fly. Which is close enough for me ;-)
[17:43] <doctormo> I think I might try the 3 sleeps rule, sleep before the plane, sleep on the plane, sleep int he hotel.
[17:44] <Pendulum> hah
[17:44] <popey> \o/ sleep
[17:44] <Pendulum> I might try to be ambitious and try for 5+ hours of sleep a night at UDS
[17:45] <Pendulum> not an average, but actually minimum 5 hours every night
[17:45] <doctormo> czajkowski: Are you in the UK or Ireland right now?
[17:45] <czajkowski> Ireland
[17:45] <czajkowski> will be till UDS, then back for 48hrs then UK
[17:45] <czajkowski> :D
[17:45] <popey> blimey
[17:45] <doctormo> czajkowski: Nice :-) Do they sell TCP in Ireland?
[17:46]  * popey will tidy up the UK for your return
[17:46] <czajkowski> of course we do
[17:46] <Pendulum> popey: don't you mean warn them of her impending invasion?
[17:46] <czajkowski> popey: geoff(dad) is thrilled I'm moving to the UK, the mothership on the other hand is being rather mummy about it all.
[17:46] <popey> Pendulum: indeed, by "Tidy up" I of course meant "ready the troops"
[17:47] <popey> i haven't seen a bottle of TCP in about 30 years
[17:47] <doctormo> czajkowski: If you can pick me up a large bottle, I'll give you the dollars for it.
[17:47] <czajkowski> sure TCP
[17:48] <czajkowski> doctormo: I'll tell you what I'll swap you a bottle of TCP if you bring me taffey :D
[17:48] <doctormo> Is that that salty sugary sticky stuff? I'll have to ask the wife.
[17:48] <czajkowski> yes
[17:48] <czajkowski> nyommy stuff
[17:48] <Pendulum> czajkowski: you realise you can probably buy taffy in Orlando, right?
[17:49] <Pendulum> I think there's a candy shop at Downtown Disney that would probably sell it
[17:49]  * popey snorts at the latest mail to loco-contacts
[17:49] <czajkowski> Pendulum: usually only find it on east coast tbh
[17:49] <Pendulum> czajkowski: Orlando *is* the east coast
[17:49] <popey> "My first thought would be to hit up Amber"
[17:49] <popey> lucky Amber!
[17:49] <czajkowski> heh
[17:50] <czajkowski> popey: aye but further south, just been my experience
[17:50] <Pendulum> it's a mid-atlantic states thing
[17:50] <popey> que?
[17:50] <popey> czajkowski: i was talking about dans mail to the list
[17:51] <Pendulum> NY -> Maryland or so is the easiest place to find it
[17:51] <doctormo> Florida, future site of mid atlantic ocean.
[17:52] <nigelb> popey: speaking of amber, did you see the crew page? specifically videos bit?
[17:52] <popey> heh
[17:52] <Pendulum> czajkowski: there's a shop at Downtown Disney called Disney's Candy Cauldron. I'd be surprised if they didn't have it because Disney tends to try to get as wide a range of stuff as possible
[17:52] <czajkowski> ok
[17:52] <Pendulum> there's also Goofy's Candy Emporium
[17:53] <doctormo> czajkowski: I can get you Old Boston Salt Water Taffy
[17:53] <czajkowski> yes
[17:53] <czajkowski> and I'll get TCP
[17:53] <czajkowski> any other requests from Ireland ?
[17:53] <nigelb> czajkowski: for some people, we wish, "happy journey", "safe travels", but for you, its "happy hunting for taffy" :p
[17:53] <czajkowski> it's the small things in life that make me happy
[17:53] <nigelb> small things in large quantities :p
[17:54] <vish> Lepricons!
[17:54] <nigelb> Leprechauns?
[17:54] <doctormo> czajkowski: Almost everything else it's possible to get here.
[17:54] <vish> well, Irish would know the spelling better ;p
[17:55] <Pendulum> czajkowski: bring tea if you want to drink something other than Lipton's crap
[17:55] <nigelb> my memory is from Harry Potter
[17:55] <nigelb> Pendulum: haha
[17:55] <nigelb> I thought Lipton was good.
[17:55] <popey> ewww
[17:55] <nigelb> apparently, I was wrong.
[17:55] <Pendulum> so many better teas than Lipton
[17:55] <popey> heh
[17:55] <vish> hmm, Lipton is not too bad in India though
[17:56] <nigelb> +1
[17:56] <doctormo> nigelb: Better a Leprechaun than a leannán sidhe
[17:56] <popey> people are wrong about many things
[17:56] <popey> http://xkcd.com/386 probably fits
[17:56] <czajkowski> oh yes I need to bring tea, still doesnt solve the issue of Americans NOT BOILING WATER  but still
[17:56] <nigelb> nt boiling milk either
[17:56] <nigelb> popey: haha
[17:56] <doctormo> nigelb: Liptons might be good where you are, but it's floor sweepings of the tetley factory here.
[17:56] <nigelb> I now have xkcd down to numbers :p
[17:56] <nigelb> doctormo: hah
[17:56] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I wish I could solve the boiling thing, but I no longer have a kettle I could bring with me :(
[17:57] <nigelb> doctormo: but I don't drink tea much
[17:57] <doctormo> czajkowski: I can bring my kettle (maerican)
[17:57] <czajkowski> tis fine
[17:57] <czajkowski> :)
[17:57]  * nigelb survives on coffee.  Bru Coffee to be exact
[17:57] <czajkowski> for the few cuppas I make during the week it's not that bad
[17:57] <Pendulum> I don't like coffee
[17:57] <czajkowski> it just boggles me with them
[17:57] <doctormo> I brought my electric kettle and tea to UDS Google2
[17:57] <Pendulum> I can survive for one week on non-boiling water
[17:58] <Pendulum> (for my tea)
[17:58] <nigelb> ww
[17:58] <nigelb> eww
[17:58] <Pendulum> and I no longer put milk in my tea :(
[17:58] <nigelb> tea needs to be pipping hot!
[17:58] <doctormo> Pendulum: But if we have 3 people here who could do with a cuppa, then it makes sense for me to bring it no?
[17:58] <vish> doctormo ¦ are you allowed to carry a kettle in the flight?
[17:58] <Pendulum> doctormo: I'm not going to tell you not to? :)
[17:59] <vish> in the baggage even
[17:59] <Pendulum> vish: I can't see why not since it won't break and it's not going to be something that could hurt someone
[17:59] <doctormo> vish: Sure, it's just an applience.
[18:00] <doctormo> And I won't be brining it as carry on.
[18:00] <duanedesign> thats a good idea
[18:00] <duanedesign> i didnt even think about tea...or lack of
[18:00] <vish> unless doctormo is planning to hijack with scalding hot water ! ;p
[18:00] <doctormo> czajkowski: So to go with the tea, can you pick up a packet of digestives and rich tea? then we'll have got ourselves some fancy tea time.
[18:00] <doctormo> vish: Where would I plug it in?
[18:01] <Pendulum> doctormo: do you have a preference in digestives? I can actually get a good selection around here of those usually
[18:01] <vish> doctormo ¦ maybe you can think of something for that too.. you are doctormo for crying out loud!! :)
[18:02] <nigelb> vish: hahaha "you are doctormo"
[18:02] <czajkowski> doctormo: McVitties or Jacobs ?
[18:02] <doctormo> Go for the Irish :-)
[18:02] <nigelb> ok, what does TCP expand to?
[18:03] <czajkowski> it's for cuts and some folks gargle with it when they have a sore throat
[18:03] <czajkowski> smells yummy
[18:03] <vish> nigelb ¦ Transmission Control Protocol
[18:03] <doctormo> nigelb: Trichlorophenylmethyliodosalicyl
[18:03] <duanedesign> transmissio control
[18:03] <nigelb> doctormo: ah
[18:03] <duanedesign> ...to slow :P
[18:03] <doctormo> and I'm not making that up.
[18:03] <nigelb> I see it :)
[18:04] <nigelb> doctormo: I thought it was an alcoholic drink, forgive my ignorance :D
[18:04] <doctormo> czajkowski: Better than the floor cleaner Listerine that's for damn sure.
[18:05] <czajkowski> nigelb: http://www.multipharmacy.com/shop/files/sxdetail/50999699_IMAGE2.jpg
[18:06] <nigelb> ah, something like dettol?
[18:07] <doctormo> nigelb: If you could use dettol for your mouth ulsa or grazed cut, then yes.
[18:07] <nigelb> doctormo: ok, not exactly like, but somwhat close I suppose
[18:07] <nigelb> grazed cut, yes; mouth ulcer - NO WAY
[18:08] <nigelb> I just realized - Its 43 km from my home to local airport o.O
[18:08] <doctormo> nigelb: Did you know Literine was a floor cleaner before it was a mouthwash? There is a long history of cleaning products being reused as garglers.
[18:08] <doctormo> nigelb: Are you coming?
[18:08] <nigelb> doctormo: nah
[18:08] <vish> hah! TCP was something totally different here!  i guess duanedesign and me dint follow the conversation fully :D
[18:08] <nigelb> heh
[18:09] <nigelb> doctormo: I'm writing somethig to calculate fares
[18:09] <nigelb> So I first had to find distance from google maps api
[18:12] <nigelb> hrm, it works :D
[18:13] <nigelb> dinda: the new google project is very interesting
[18:13] <dinda> nigelb: yes, definitely need to get Ubuntu as one of the official projects
[18:14] <dinda> nigelb: I especially like how they include other areas like dodumentation marketing, not just coding
[18:14] <nigelb> \o/ that would be wonderful :)
[18:14] <nigelb> for unitiated: http://thejournal.com/articles/2010/10/20/google-code-in-calls-on-k-12-students-to-become-open-source-developers.aspx
[18:14] <Pendulum> dinda: yeah, I really liked that, too
[18:15] <nigelb> *uninitiated
[18:15] <nigelb> Nothing like catching them early :)
[18:16] <nigelb> They're looking into everything including translations - I'm reminded of your trip to Malaysia
[18:16] <nigelb> Students get to translate ubuntu to their local language and start using it. So now they're contributors and users of that localized version
[18:17] <dinda> nigelb: exactly - corrupting, er I mean influencing young minds toward technology, esp FLOSS skills is awesome
[18:17] <nigelb> heh, doctormo would argue against corrupting ;)
[18:17] <dinda> nigelb: yes and think how much that helps their language skills in both languages
[18:17] <nigelb> and not to mention communication skills
[18:18] <dinda> teamwork
[18:18] <nigelb> I should send this to my cousins :)
[18:18] <dinda> I was asked by a parent who homeschools her soon to be a mentor for this project
[18:18] <dinda> soon = son
[18:18] <doctormo> nigelb: It's hardly corrupting, it's more like educating.
[18:19] <nigelb> doctormo: I know :)
[18:19] <Pendulum> nigelb: it's only corrupting when their parents start making signs that say things like "Ubuntu stole my daughter"
[18:19] <Pendulum> ;-)
[18:20] <nigelb> Pendulum: hrm, how about the other way around? ;p
[18:20] <nigelb> we already have that :D
[18:20] <doctormo> My daughter stole Ubuntu? that's a sign worth having.
[18:20] <nigelb> doctormo++
[18:20] <Pendulum> nigelb: why do you think I thought of it? ;-)
[18:20] <nigelb> Pendulum: hahaha
[18:21] <Pendulum> actually that reminds me
[18:22] <Pendulum> akgraner: have you seen http://thejournal.com/articles/2010/10/20/google-code-in-calls-on-k-12-students-to-become-open-source-developers.aspx
[18:22] <nigelb> hrm, is Becca going to make it to UDS?
[18:22] <nigelb> oh, right!
[18:22] <Pendulum> I wonder if it's something Becca would be interested in since she's trying to start the Linux club at her school
[18:23] <Pendulum> nigelb: last I heard, she'll be around for at least one night
[18:23] <nigelb> Pendulum: ah
[18:23] <nigelb> who's this stranger :p http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs665.snc4/60516_468077441659_664586659_6643967_8075625_n.jpg
[18:24] <Pendulum> haha
[18:25] <duanedesign> nigelb: i liked your facebook post 'What Oman Can Teach Us'
[18:25] <nigelb> duanedesign: whoa, that was a really ld link   that you dug up  .... just typing that
[18:26] <duanedesign> :)
[18:26] <nigelb> duanedesign: I love the place.  I lived there and saw it change over a course of 10 years.
[18:27] <nigelb> The sultan is the most nicest ruler.
[18:27] <nigelb> When there was a dispute with a neighboring country, He just drew one straight line for the border and settled it
[18:27] <nigelb> anything left is yours, right is mine.
[18:27] <duanedesign> nigelb: nice.
[18:28] <duanedesign> nigelb: much better then the hawkish tendencies of U.S.
[18:28] <nigelb> heh
[18:29] <nigelb> duanedesign: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qaboos_bin_Said_Al_Said
[18:29] <nigelb> He studed in India :D
[18:29] <duanedesign> nigelb: i just heard on radio that dalai lama was going to be in Ohio. Fairly close to where i live. At least closest he has ever gotten. Wish i had known sooner would of liked to hear him talk
[18:34] <duanedesign> off for lunch. Everyone have a great day :)
[18:35] <dpm> ok, time to call it a day. See you all tomorrow!
[19:11] <nigelb> jono: hola
[19:11] <nigelb> jono: before you get busy - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-ubuntu-news-bof
[19:15] <czajkowski> jono: just the person, when you're free in a bit can you give me a shout please, pm will do.
[19:16] <czajkowski> jono: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-n-loco-council  also if you get a chance :) thanks
[19:16] <nigelb> czajkowski: haha.  Poor guy is going to get shocked when he looks at his screen :D
[19:21] <jono> nigelb, already approved it
[19:21] <jono> czajkowski, sure
[19:21] <nigelb> jono: oh, you're fast :)
[19:28] <nigelb> ok, cloud is fast "Fetched 54.5MB in 9s (5530kB/s) " wow
[19:38]  * JFo achievement unlocked: {Roadie} Load the trailer for the trek to Orlando
[19:41] <nigelb> JFo: Woo, lots of music equipment?
[20:20] <jono> jcastro, can you make sure to schedule the group photo too
[20:21] <jcastro> jono: right so, when do we want to do that?
[20:21] <jcastro> that was normally planned by someone else, so i was thinking perhaps during the final wrapup?
[20:22] <jcastro> jono: do we know who the photographer will be?
[20:23] <jono> jcastro, I don't care when we do it
[20:23] <jono> we can do it at the beginning of the final wrap-up
[20:24] <jono> jcastro, Rick S is happy to do 15 mins, so we now have an extra plenary slot
[20:24] <jcastro> ah ok
[20:24] <jcastro> we used to do 15 for the photo but then realized that it didn't take that long
[20:24] <jcastro> jono: oh I got it
[20:24] <jcastro> "Final Photo and Lightning Talks"
[20:24] <jcastro> will be perfect
[20:25] <jcastro> so photo guy can do the photo whilst I line up the lightning talk folks
[20:25] <jono> jcastro, yeah, lets pop it in at the beginning of the final wrap up
[20:25] <jono> jcastro, oh that would work
[20:25] <jcastro> yeah
[20:25] <jono> when are the lightning talks?
[20:25] <jcastro> after lunch on friday
[20:25] <jcastro> it's perfect
[20:25] <jono> cool
[20:25] <jono> lets do that
[20:26] <jcastro> done
[20:26] <jono> jcastro, can you look after finding someone for the new plenary slot now that Rick is doing 15mins?
[20:26] <jcastro> jono: also, I want to do a lightning talk so I might need a substitute standby emceeing on Friday
[20:26] <jcastro> that won't be a problem (filling in the plenary)
[20:26] <jono> cool
[20:26] <AlanBell> kwwii who took the last photo isn't going to this UDS
[20:27] <jcastro> correct
[20:28] <jono> jcastro, btw, did you mail all the sponsors about the costume party element of Friday night?
[20:29] <jcastro> jono: marianna sent a mail to all the attendees
[20:29] <jcastro> about the final bits
[20:29] <jono> cool
[20:29] <jcastro> mine is so awesome
[20:29] <jono> I need to find a texas chainsaw massacre outfit now
[20:30] <jcastro> jono: I can move the design guidelines to monday and give ivanka the 30min she wants
[20:31] <jcastro> on the thursday
[20:31] <jono> jcastro, cool
[20:33] <jcastro> Daviey: I dragged a plenary from thursday to monday and it just went away
[20:33] <jcastro> it's now missing. :-/
[20:35] <maco> what would everyone think of a Rocky Horror night on thursday?
[20:35] <maco> or have Rocky Horror on a screen somewhere during the party
[20:36]  * Pici does the time warp
[20:37] <maco> its close to halloween. gotta have some rocky horror ;-)
[20:38]  * maco wonders how many of the guys could be convinced to dress as transylvanians
[20:56] <czajkowski> jcastro: added the party bit to the wiki as folks who are not sponsored didnt know anything about it
[20:57] <jcastro> czajkowski: good thinking
[20:57] <jcastro> I wish lp guys would fix the bug so sprints could have mailing lists
[20:57] <czajkowski> I get the odd brain wwave every once in a while
[20:57] <czajkowski> +1
[20:58] <czajkowski> added to blog and tweeted it as well
[20:58] <czajkowski> think all areas are covered in that regards.
[20:58] <czajkowski> jcastro: perhaps if you tweet it and link to the wiki page if you get a chance, folks read you more than me
[21:04] <jcastro> Blogging it will work I think
[21:04] <jcastro> on it
[21:05] <czajkowski> jcastro: http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/10/20/uds-party-night-on-friday/
[21:05] <czajkowski> here's one I prepared earlier
[21:05] <czajkowski> :)
[21:05] <jcastro> oh well then, I shall link!
[21:05] <czajkowski> *hugs*
[21:05] <jcastro> czajkowski: let's make a note to explain the public wiki to marianna/michelle
[21:06] <jcastro> I think they just mailed the list of people they have
[21:06] <czajkowski> *nods*
[21:06] <czajkowski> I mailed her and asked was it ok to add to wiki.
[21:06] <czajkowski> I'd say they are up to their eyes being busy
[21:06] <jcastro> indeedy
[21:06]  * czajkowski sees an email in her inbox and wants to get a mallet and wallop!
[21:06] <czajkowski> bah!
[21:24] <nigelb> czajkowski: is it because of a particular email or just because you have one new mail? :)
[21:25] <czajkowski> hmmm it seems I'm a little too organised.... packed my dollars, now I need to find them, I also packed my wee laptop and I need to skype so need to unpack that
[21:28] <nigelb> lol
[21:32] <Pendulum> aww
[22:29] <czajkowski> jcastro: with the no Batman costumes will there be no mankini also :)
[22:34] <jcastro> czajkowski: let's never talk about the mankini ever again
[22:34]  * jcastro shudders
[22:35] <czajkowski> *grin*
[22:35] <Technoviking> it burns!!!
[22:38] <AlanBell> am I in the right channel?
[22:39] <czajkowski> that depends
[22:39] <czajkowski> do you like mankinis ?
[22:41] <Technoviking> #ubuntu-community-mankini
[22:45] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I am pleased to confirm that I do not have, and never will have, a mankini
[22:45] <czajkowski> yer in the right channel ;)
[22:57] <paultag> nigelb, http://imgur.com/jGJ0i.png
[22:57] <paultag> nigelb, let me know :)
[23:10] <scott-work> paultag: that's nice looking, how about working this into a Fubuntu Studio :)
[23:13] <AlanBell> there has been a wiki update of the light theme, would be great if people could have a look and file bugs and complaints before they put it live please
[23:25] <akgraner> AlanBell, when does it go live?


[00:40] <c_smith_> bkerensa, would you care to see the PC tower I got? I have a pic ready, just need to grab it from my private Google+ album and link to it.
[17:52] <c_smith_> yo
[18:42] <c_smith> anyone here care to see the new PC tower I got?
[20:30] <c_smith> yo
[20:51] <c_smith> just thought I'd drop a link to the pics I've taken of the new PC tower I got: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.382812058400953.107585.100000164854287&type=3
[20:56] <c_smith> new link since the previous one doesn't seem to work for some: https://picasaweb.google.com/101635943739208364223/NewPCTower?locked=true


[04:14] <dannym> hello
[04:14] <dannym> anyone here
[04:14] <dannym> need help
[10:45] <Arthur_Archnix> Hi... I submitted a laptop testing report about four days ago, but it hasn't shown up on the laptop-testing page yet... any idea why that would be?