[00:36] <cmaloney> Set my twitter account to private and unfollowed everyone.
[00:36] <cmaloney> identi.ca and G+ for me. :)
[00:49] <cmaloney> http://decafbad.net/2014/05/24/finally-off-of-twitter/
[00:49] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/0oYmfj - Finally off of Twitter. | Craig Maloney
[02:05] <jrwren> not sure why G+ is better than twitter.
[02:05] <jrwren> what blow-up and what tragedy at UCSB?
[02:05] <jrwren> hehe, I missed it.
[02:06] <jrwren> but I had my computer off for 24hrs :)
[02:08] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, you can't miss it
[02:08] <cmaloney> And G+ because I personally like the threading better
[02:08] <cmaloney> and reshares are a little more sane than retweets
[02:08] <cmaloney> twitter was a reshare-fest.
[02:09] <waf> i like twitter because you can disable retweets. i haven't found a way to disable reshares on google.
[02:10] <cmaloney> I should have done that on Twitter.
[02:10] <waf> i've asked a couple of knowledgeable google+ users, and it seems like it's just not possible
[02:10] <cmaloney> It became an echo-chamber.
[02:10] <cmaloney> waf: I think G+ makes it a little less obnoxious.
[02:11] <waf> nope. not in my experience.
[02:11] <cmaloney> Hm.
[02:11] <waf> i get a lot of random stuff i don't care about in G+
[02:11] <cmaloney> Sorry. :)
[02:11] <waf> :) you share geeky stuff, so that's ok
[02:11] <cmaloney> Yeah, and I curate my circles
[02:12] <cmaloney> So I've plonked a few political folks in circles that post less.
[02:23] <jrwren> did you curate your tweeps?
[02:28] <waf> you don't really have many options for curation on twitter.
[02:29] <waf> i guess it'd be pretty easy for twitter to add the concept of "g+ circles" though. they already have lists.
[02:31] <jrwren> you can unfollow.
[02:32] <waf> yeah, and i unfollow aggressively. but cmaloney was talking about having some circles show up more frequently than others
[02:32] <jrwren> hell, I /ignore certain people in certain IRC channels I participate in.
[02:32] <jrwren> i'm a G+ noob.
[02:33] <waf> G+ is like facebook, but with a little more control
[02:33] <waf> (ok, now i'm just trolling)
[02:39] <jrwren> oh facebook! now that is something I want to be rid of :p
[02:39] <rick_h_> there are days when work is so busy I miss wtf happened on twitter/etc and I wonder if it's actually adding anything
[02:39] <rick_h_> I do find out about cool stuff once in a while, but not sure if it was worth it in the end
[02:42] <waf> eh, it's all who you follow. i only saw one retweet about gun control. and that was it for today's news.
[02:42] <waf> i also tend to unfollow people who tweet about software drama
[02:42] <rick_h_> waf: yea, definitely. I do go in waves and believe a lot of what you see is your own doing
[02:59] <cmaloney> Agreed. I followed a bunch of Pycon folks and that included some folks that would otherwise have infuriated me.
[02:59] <cmaloney> But it got more intense with other circles that I follow on Twitter
[02:59] <cmaloney> and decided to just nuke the whole thing from orbit.
[03:05] <jrwren> rick_h_: i've had a lot of those days lately. I figure its worth it as entertainment.
[03:06] <jrwren> gun control tweet eh? so someone shot someone, again. I don't want to know.
[03:07] <cmaloney> jrwren: I'm sure if you type news.google.com you'll see it as the top story.
[03:13] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isAjqgqBS4w
[03:13] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/E10c2v - Wolfenstein: The New Order | Herr Faust - Fredrik Thordendal - YouTube
[03:13] <cmaloney> Favorite comment: I like both notes.
[03:17] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLTh4uVJduI
[03:17] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/3qdkbJ - Power Shift - HP Series 700 Workstation Promo - YouTube
[13:57] <rick_h_> hah https://bmark.us/bookiebot/recent
[13:57] <rick_h_> never know cmaloney and brousch_ would be tags
[13:57] <rick_h_> so there you go greg-g, might be a cool rss feed to sub to
[13:58] <rick_h_> https://bmark.us/bookiebot/rss
[14:08] <brousch_> geekers
[17:44] <cmaloney> Hah. I'm a tag now. :)
[17:44]  * cmaloney tries subscribing to it
[17:49] <cmaloney> How's the day so far?
[18:24] <rick_h_> zzzzz, zoo trips make for sleepy dady
[18:24] <rick_h_> daddy
[18:24] <cmaloney> Heh
[18:24] <cmaloney> How was the trip?
[18:24] <rick_h_> good, it's busy and such there
[18:24] <rick_h_> but good trip, first one of the year
[18:24] <cmaloney> JoDee mentioned something about 4/3 something something?
[18:24] <cmaloney> Couldn't figure out what that was.
[18:24] <rick_h_> yea, makes me wish I had a better camera with interchangeable lenses
[18:24] <rick_h_> the zoo animals are just outside of snapshot camera range so often
[18:24] <cmaloney> Ah, so it was a reference to a camera lens.
[18:25] <cmaloney> Yeah
[18:25] <rick_h_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Four_Thirds_system
[18:25] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/vTsD - Micro Four Thirds system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[18:25] <rick_h_> well a form factor of camera
[18:25] <cmaloney> Yeah, I've come to realize that none of my cameras are good for zoo pictures
[18:25] <rick_h_> but I've been pondering something nicer for traveling and such
[18:25] <cmaloney> I'd need some zoom lenses and $$
[18:25] <rick_h_> this just got the juices flowing again
[18:26] <cmaloney> Heh
[18:27] <rick_h_> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-gx7/3
[18:27] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/I0FYPD - Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Review: Digital Photography Review
[18:29] <cmaloney> Ooooh
[18:30] <cmaloney> I wish I carried a camera more often than my cellphone
[18:30] <cmaloney> have two cameras that are essentially gathering dust.
[18:30] <rick_h_> yea, which is why I don't wnt to go back to DSLR
[18:30] <rick_h_> too big, never take it with me
[18:30] <cmaloney> They'll lilely be the last things we pack because I'll forget where they are.
[18:30] <rick_h_> but I pocket my rx100 often enough when doing things with the family
[18:30] <rick_h_> or in the outer pocket of my backpack
[18:35] <cmaloney> Yeah
[22:52] <brousch_> Good day at the Lake MI beach dog park
[23:03] <greg-g> brousch_: awesome temp/sun, but way too windy at the beach here today. I mean, it was fine until Rowan got sand in his eyes a few times
[23:04] <brousch_> It was 79F with a very light breeze
[23:04] <brousch_> Scattered one of our dog's ashes at his favorite spot
[23:04] <greg-g> oh man
[23:04] <greg-g> sorry ma
[23:04] <greg-g> n
[23:04] <brousch_> And fresh water, none of that salt water crap
[23:05] <greg-g> :) how was the water temp?
[23:07] <brousch_> cold
[23:07] <brousch_> I thought too cold to swim, so I just wore shorts, but it wasn't that bad
[23:13] <greg-g> yeah, here it's a mix of people in wet suits and crazy teenages in the water.


[03:20] <AlligatorJoe> what is with the lubuntu session...it says lxde can't be found....i thought people had moved to lxqt sessions now
[03:27] <AlligatorJoe> well i am not going to worry about this crap...just here to say if anybody is making any money then they owe the 5 of us trillions of dollars for our model1 computer ideas.
 how do i solve it
 (Photo, 1280x715) https://i.imgur.com/ycGEp65.jpg what on earth is this
[06:20] <guiverc> @Aj@¥, I would boot a *live* system (eg. Lubuntu install media) & firstly `fsck` your partitions (file system check). If something was found & fixed; it'll likely boot normal next boot.
 i used recovery and it has loaded
 how will i check fsck
[06:25] <guiverc> fsck or file system check is easiest when fs is not in use, thus why I boot a *live* system & fsck from there.   You can `touch` a file to cause fsck next boot, but I prefer not to do anything until after fsck has been run
 ok
[13:34] <ShellcatZero> Is there any kind of release timeline for 0.15?  There are some pending bugs in the current version needing to be fixed: https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/issues/400
[13:38] <ShellcatZero> (read very last comment in the issue)
[13:41] <ShellcatZero> Bigger question: where should issues like this be reported so that distro maintainers are aware?
 @ShellcatZero [<ShellcatZero> Is there any kind of release timeline for 0.15?  There are some p …], 20.10 will have 0.15
 0.15 was released after 20.04 freeze
 @HMollerCl [0.15 was released after 20.04 freeze], was released on Apr 24
[14:26] <ShellcatZero> ok, but how is 20.04 going to get bugfixes like the one mentioned in the github issue, or what is the workaround for that particular problem?
 @ShellcatZero [<ShellcatZero> ok, but how is 20.04 going to get bugfixes like the one mentioned …], if you want you can compile 0.15 by yourself. … We are trying to backport 0.15 to 20.04 but with no clear timeline/results. You can always join us and help to do it.
[18:13] <ShellcatZero> Thanks, do you have a link on the backport effort to 20.04 where I can potentially participate?
 I have a small screen on my netbook. A bunch of apps will open windows that go outside the bounds of the screen. Is there a setting that can mitigate that problem, or is that considered an app bug?
[19:15] <wxl> @corncoweb first of you should know that holding alt and click dragging will allow you to move the window around so you can access the minimize/maximize buttons, which may be helpful
[19:15] <wxl> secondly openbox may have a setting like that but i've never tried. perhaps using margins? http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Configuration#Margins
 Thank you
 @corncobweb [I have a small screen on my netbook.  Let me guess … 640x480?
 No, it's 1024x600 but apps are still opening windows too big.
 I tried the openbox options. It looks like its the apps that are the problem.
 Maybe it would work if I did screen scaling
 But then the text would be too small to read
 So I'll just give up.
 NBD
 @ShellcatZero [<ShellcatZero> Thanks, do you have a link on the backport effort to 20.04 where …], join lubuntu-devel group


[20:36]  * astraljava repaired a box and installs Mythbuntu on it, and notices it's got scrollbars in the slideshow too.
[21:54] <GridCube> can it be fixed alacarte to have no recommends on 11.10?
[21:54] <GridCube> or 11.04
[21:58] <astraljava> Hmm... I have serious trouble trying to decode such a cryptic message. What do you mean? alacarte is the menu editor. What recommends does it have?
[21:59] <astraljava> Oh... I see.
[21:59] <astraljava> Well I doubt it, it's not geared towards other DEs but GNOME, AFAIUI.
[22:00] <GridCube> but we use it
[22:00] <GridCube> and we ship it on 12.04
[22:00] <astraljava> Yes. But only on precise. So why would you want to drop recommends on older releases?
[22:01] <GridCube> because there is no other menu edition tool for xfce than it
[22:02] <astraljava> Yeah. Well, you can roll a custom .deb for it. :)
[22:02] <GridCube> :P don't know what that is
[22:03] <astraljava> Nah, just kidding. But you should just install it with the --no-install-recommends option.
[22:03] <GridCube> yes, I see, well, just asking
[22:05] <astraljava> Yeah the thing is, there's no way to make such a change in past releases. Obviously it's not going to swim into the images either, so it'll have to be installed manually anyway. Hence that option for apt-get.
[22:06] <astraljava> What is there in recommends in the past releases?
[22:11] <GridCube> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/alacarte
[22:11] <GridCube> it recommends gnome-panel
[22:12] <astraljava> But no ' | exo-utils' like in precise?
[22:13] <GridCube> i wouldnt know how to know that
[22:13] <astraljava> Recommends: gnome-panel | exo-utils
[22:14] <astraljava> That's there in the output of `apt-cache show alacarte'.
[22:14] <GridCube> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/alacarte
[22:14] <GridCube> ah i see, it says "or exo-utils"
[22:15] <GridCube> no it says nothing like that
[22:17] <astraljava> Yeah ok. Well then, it'd have to be installed with the --no-install-recommends with apt-get, I don't know whether synaptic supports such a setting (probably does).


[00:03] <Pici> nalioth: fyi, LjL says that you probably want to take a look at <FloodBot1> propagate a3a9505130bb57d03dd723a4381d5f60<PHONE_NUMBER> http://rafb.net/p/yz1P9l14.txt at some of the commented code to take care of the issue where your floodbots are not in #ubuntu-proxy-users
[00:05] <Pici> er, .txt, .html
[00:12] <Mez> PriceChild, why you getting excited?
[00:21] <ubot3`> In #ubuntuforums-beginners, Alan_M said: ubot3`, ufw is Uncomplicated Firewall..it is included in Ubuntu Hardy Heron by default, you may use it by going to a !terminal (Applications > Terminal) and typing in !sudo ufw to get the help system for it. You may enable it by typing !sudo ufw enable or !sudo ufw disable to disable it.  ufw uses !iptables as a backend.
[00:22] <Myrtti> !ufw
[00:23] <Mez> !info ufw
[00:23] <Flannel> isn't ufw a graphical program?
[00:24] <Flannel> well, optionally
[00:24] <Mez> nope...
[00:24] <Flannel> its curses? or what?
[00:24] <Mez>  Ufw is a tool to manage a local host-based firewall. It provides a command
[00:24] <Mez>  line interface and aims to be uncomplicated and easy to use.
[00:24] <Flannel> it provides one, but that doesn't mean it only has one.  gdebi provides a CLI interface as well as a gui
[00:25]  * Mez doesnt see any Graphical interface
[00:26] <Flannel> I agree.  It doesn't depend on anything graphical
[00:27] <Mez> !away > m_newton
[00:28] <elky_work> heh. iptables provides a commandline interface
[00:28] <Mez> elky_work, ufw confuses me...
[00:28] <elky_work> Mez: o
[00:28] <elky_work> Mez: i;'ve never used it
[00:29]  * elky_work kicks the keyboard repeatedly
[00:29] <Pici> elky_work: Are you using it as a foot pedal?
[00:29] <Mez> elky_work, It seems weird that it has application profiles
[00:29] <elky_work> Pici: tempted
[00:29] <Pici> or can you just easily kick that high?
[00:29] <elky_work> Pici: i put it on the ground first
[00:29] <elky_work> the cable is long enough
[00:30] <Myrtti> wellknown or well known or well-known?
[00:30] <Pici> well known
[00:30] <Myrtti> ty
[00:30] <elky_work> although, the last is also valid, but not as correct
[00:31] <Pici> but never the first
[00:31] <elky_work> ya
[00:31] <elky_work> depending on the context, reknown would also fit
[00:31] <Mez> wellbeing, well being, or well-being ? :P
[00:31] <elky_work> none
[00:31] <Myrtti> the need for such a feature is well known
[00:31] <Mez> elky_work, ?
[00:32] <Pici> Myrtti: looks good to me.
[00:32] <elky_work> Mez: trying to confuzzle you
[00:32] <mneptok> Myrtti: have you played with the dev branch of Specto?
[00:32] <Myrtti> mneptok: nope
[00:32] <mneptok> k
[00:32] <Myrtti> grnotify is excellent
[00:32] <Myrtti> it needs to be packaged so bad
[00:33] <Myrtti> oh, I've forgotten to check which version of bitlbee is going to be in intrepid
[00:33] <Myrtti> it *should* be the one that allows connecting to ports 80 and 443
[00:33] <Mez> elky_work, would you guys on the IRC council have an objection to a bot that parts/joins every hour or so, to check for onjoin messages?
[00:34] <elky_work> Mez: freenode has several staffers who do that already
[00:34] <Mez> elky_work, ah, fair enough - but surely a bot wouldn't harm?
[00:34] <Myrtti> "how many of them are in #ubuntu"
[00:35] <elky_work> Myrtti: i believe the majority are
[00:35] <elky_work> Myrtti: btw that is correct yes. i'd personally have used 'widely recognised' instead of 'well known' given that it's about 'needs'
[00:36] <Myrtti> elky_work: thanks
[00:36] <Myrtti> more bs talk
[00:36] <Myrtti> and that takes more characters too
[00:36] <Myrtti> which is good since I've actually got nothing to write about
[00:36] <elky_work> because knowing a need and recognising are different things, and i beleive you're indicating the latter
[01:01]  * Myrtti yawns, gets more coffee
[01:19] <jrib> anyone seen what miscataloging just did in #ubuntu before?
[01:20] <Myrtti> can't say I have
[01:20] <Pici> was that intentional?
[01:20] <jrib> well the numbers did a good job of avoiding tripping the floodbots
[01:21] <Myrtti> did that make any sense
[01:21] <jrib> what I said?
[01:22] <Myrtti> yeah...
[01:22] <jrib> heh :)
[01:23] <jrib> miscataloging repeated the same phrase but added some random numbers each time so the floodbots didn't see it as repeating.  Maybe they don't even check for that though and just have a rate limit
[01:23] <Myrtti> ooh
[01:24] <Myrtti> that was...
[01:24] <Myrtti> scary
[01:24] <Myrtti> was k-lined
[01:24] <Myrtti> 03:23 < LimCore> [02:23] [Whois] miscataloging is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(cions)
[01:25] <Myrtti> 03:23 < LimCore> kline him ##c++ massive flood
[01:25] <nalioth> this is not his first rodeo on the network
[01:27] <Myrtti> I did /set activity_hide_level JOINS PARTS NICKS MODES QUITS
[01:27] <Myrtti> earlier today
[01:27] <Myrtti> and it feels so liverating
[01:27] <Myrtti> liberating, even
[01:30]  * Myrtti growls at the fourth wall
[01:51] <ubot3`> In ubot3`, m_newton said: !twss is <reply> That's what she said!
[01:51] <Pici> ...
[01:52] <Myrtti> !twss
[01:52] <Myrtti> good.
[01:52] <Pici> good
[01:53] <Myrtti> as someone would say... EEEEEeexcellent.
[01:53] <Pici> Myrtti: Have you spoken to him, or should I?
[01:54] <Myrtti> who, m_newton?
[01:54] <Myrtti> about what?
[01:56] <Pici> nevermind
[01:57] <Myrtti> forgotten already
[02:24] <mneptok> that's what she said!
[02:24] <mneptok> errr ...
[02:32] <Pici> I sent richiefrich a copy of the CoC, so feel free to treat as a first warning if needed.
[03:00] <Orbixx> Anyone about?
[03:01] <Myrtti> sure
[03:01] <Myrtti> Orbixx: shoot
[03:03] <Orbixx> I run a commercial web hosting business - just wondered if it was alright to drop a line in #ubuntu for anyone who happens to be after some hosting for whatever they need. Free of charge for the Open Source community.
[03:03] <Orbixx> My way of giving back what I feel I have taken.
[03:03] <Orbixx> Oh hey, it's PriceChild.
[03:04] <Orbixx> I keep forgetting you're the Ubuntu community leader dude.
[03:04] <Myrtti> he's not ;-)
[03:04] <Orbixx> Ah.
[03:04] <Myrtti> Jono is
[03:05] <Orbixx> I may have exaggerated due to my lack of decent memory.
[03:05] <Orbixx> Hah.
[03:05] <Orbixx> You'd think I was running rambus inside this head of mine.
[03:05] <Myrtti> Pici: poit
[03:05] <Pici> Orbixx: I can't speak for the IRC Council, but the stance has always been to not allow advertising.
[03:05] <Pici> Myrtti: yah yah.
[03:06] <Myrtti> same sentiments from me
[03:06] <Orbixx> I suspected so.
[03:06] <Orbixx> That's why I came to ask first.
[03:06] <Orbixx> It's just proving relatively difficult to give something away to the Open Source community for free.
[03:06] <Orbixx> Freenode is pretty much an ideal place - but I just don't want to upset anyone in the process.
[03:07] <Myrtti> pick a project you really much like and donate them some webspace?
[03:07]  * Myrtti shrugs
[03:07] <Orbixx> Heh, the projects I like the most already have webspace.
[03:07] <Orbixx> I'm looking for projects I MIGHT like once they're fully developed.
[03:08] <Myrtti> I'm starting to webmaster a site for Carrotmob Finland and good and trustworthy webhosts are always hard to find
[03:08] <Orbixx> Throw them a rope whilst they're developing, if you see what I mean.
[03:08] <Myrtti> ha
[03:08] <Orbixx> Well, even if I don't like them, it's still fine by me.
[03:08] <Orbixx> If you know what I mean.
[03:08] <Orbixx> :P
[03:09] <Orbixx> Myrtti: Tell me about it. I can't seem to get anyone to place their full trust in me without hosting with me for months and months.
[03:09] <Orbixx> Everyone is so paranoid that their host will let them down.
[03:09] <Orbixx> Mainly because a lot of them do.
[03:10]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[03:10] <Myrtti> do I know that...
[03:10] <Myrtti> yeah
[03:10] <Myrtti> trust is a hard issue
[03:10] <Orbixx> Anyway, I understand you can't really make an exception, as it's really a team-driven thing.
[03:10] <Orbixx> Would you mind asking, though?
[03:10] <Orbixx> Whenever you have chance.
[03:10] <Pici> I was just going to say that I would do that.
[03:10] <Orbixx> I'd appreciate it.
[03:10] <Myrtti> ping nalioth, PriceChild, elkbuntu ^
[03:11] <Orbixx> PriceChild is detached.
[03:11] <Myrtti> sure, but the backlog will greet him when he wakes up
[03:11] <Myrtti> :-P
[03:11] <Orbixx> lol
[03:11] <Orbixx> :)
[03:12] <Orbixx> I know of PriceChild from a 3rd party IRC server I run on behalf of a UK ISP.
[03:12] <Orbixx> He's on the same ISP as me, thus he pops his head in my IRC server now and then.
[03:12] <Orbixx> Quite the coincidence.
[03:12] <Myrtti> one of the sponsors of a project I've been affiliated since 2004 runs a mirror for php.net
[03:13] <Myrtti> perhaps mirroring some documentation or like?
[03:13] <Orbixx> That's a good idea.
[03:13]  * Myrtti huggles fi.php.net
[03:15] <elky_work> advertising of any sort is not allowed. period.
[03:15]  * Myrtti goes back to fiddling LaTeX
[03:18] <Orbixx> Ah well.
[03:18] <Orbixx> Thanks anyway.
[03:30] <Myrtti> Orbixx: anything else we can help you with?
[03:30] <Orbixx> No thanks.
[03:30] <mneptok> pedicure? some ramen?
[03:30] <wgrant> Does anybody have experience with getting things (ie. Ultamatix) banned from ubuntuforums?
[03:46]  * Myrtti coughs
[03:46] <vorian> wgrant: send ubuntu-geek a private message re: ultamatix
[03:49] <wgrant> Hm.
[03:50] <wgrant> Interesting that he checked in here first.
[03:51] <Myrtti> I was sorta worried there for a while as the discussion on -ot turned into public logging of channels
[04:13] <Pici> as was I
[04:13] <Pici> anyway, sleepy time...
[04:13]  * Myrtti is envious
[04:13] <Pici> Myrtti: did you sleep at all?
[04:13] <Myrtti> nope
[04:13] <Myrtti> still trying to grind
[04:15] <Pici> I'd say 'have fun', but I wont.   goodnight.
[04:18] <Myrtti> tata
[05:00] <Myrtti> non-issue or non issue?
[05:05]  * Myrtti giggles at mjg59
[06:30] <bazhang> Jordan_U, hi :)
[06:31] <Jordan_U> bazhang: hi
[06:32] <bazhang> Jordan_U, what's up?
[06:34] <Jordan_U> Not much, came in because of the troll in #ubuntu but he just stopped ( last I paid attention at least )
[06:34] <nalioth> Jordan_U: do we know you?
[06:35] <bazhang> Jordan_U, was it [ANUL]?
[06:37] <Jordan_U> bazhang: no, blake_
[06:38] <bazhang> Jordan_U, he seems to have left; sorry I was not around earlier to mediate w/him
[06:40] <bazhang> wish someone were around to look in -ot
[06:42] <bazhang> [ANULSECKS]> why won't anyone let me have my nick, i get randomly kicked and banned
[06:42] <bazhang> in -ot now
[07:14] <Flannel> bazhang: so, ping Myrtti
[07:15] <Flannel> hmm, that was supposed to work
[07:15] <Flannel> Ah, it worked anyway.
[07:15] <nalioth> not if she's asleep
[07:15] <Flannel> mmm, that IP....
[07:16] <nalioth> yes, it's notorious
[07:16] <Flannel> Eh, its a big area.  roadrunner people in "socal" not really sure where "socal" is actually though.
[07:18] <nalioth> normex?
[07:18]  * nalioth runs
[07:19] <Flannel> nalioth: No no, but like san diego is san.res.rr.com, socal is... somewhere specific, or anti-specific, I guess.
[07:19]  * Flannel enjoys talking in the wrong channels.
[07:24] <nalioth> so when 10 minutes goes by, what are we gonna do?
[07:25] <nalioth> time's up.
[08:35] <Myrtti> Moo
[08:37] <Myrtti> Flannel, bazhang?
[08:41] <Flannel> Myrtti: needed an op in -offtopic, but it got sorted.
[08:42] <Myrtti> You seem to need it there now too
[08:42] <Flannel> I have been busy in #u, haven't been keeping up in -offtopic
[08:45] <Myrtti> Do I want to read the backlog from there when I get on my laptop?
[08:45] <Flannel> from where?
[08:45] <Flannel> #u? no just support busy, not trouble busy
[08:46] <Myrtti> No ot
[08:46] <Flannel> Ah.  Couldn't hurt.  Well, actually, it might hurt.
[08:51] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[08:51] <Myrtti> I see mespejel in #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:52] <Myrtti> has he been unbanned?
[08:52] <Myrtti> (was he banned there?)
[08:53] <Myrtti> and WHY hasn't ANYONE told locke to STOP at -ot before?
[08:57] <Flannel> sigh
[08:59] <Flannel> Myrtti: he's only banned in #ubuntu, not -ot
[08:59] <Myrtti> good
[09:13] <Flannel> Myrtti: looks like you'll get the chance to.
[09:19] <Myrtti> omg I can't believe that locke feller
[09:22] <Flannel> \o/
[09:29] <Myrtti> I don't want to read the backlog from there
[09:29] <Myrtti> I just eyed /lastlog locke a bit
[09:29] <Myrtti> and it was... errrr.
[09:30]  * Myrtti shudders
[09:32] <Myrtti> Pici: ping?
[09:33] <Mez> Point of Discussion: Should non-ops be allowed to idle in -ops-monitor? I think it could be a security risk, seeing as we report info in there about who is vulnerable to DCC Exploits
[09:34] <jussi01> Mez: Id agree with that.
[09:34] <jussi01> (the security risk)
[09:34] <Flannel> seems reasonable enough, yes.
[09:39] <Myrtti> where's me coffee?
[09:39] <Myrtti> er.
[09:39] <Myrtti> um.
[09:39] <Myrtti> yeah.
[09:39] <Myrtti> the thing is that if we were talking about say, discussion forum
[09:40] <Myrtti> atleast the law in Finland forbids the "administrators" from giving out any information that the user has given into a "database"
[09:41] <Myrtti> to third parties
[09:41] <Myrtti> and the way we use -ops-monitor does involve handling that data
[09:42] <Myrtti> so basically, strictly speaking - it just might be worthy of a invite-only-with-exceptions or ban-with-exceptions channel
[09:43] <Myrtti> since we might, willing or not, by accident, give that information to a third party, if they join the channel and we issue commands.
[09:43] <Myrtti> did that make any sense?
[09:43] <Mez> Myrtti, yes, but my main worry is also people using the fact we know who are exploit victims
[09:44] <Myrtti> Mez: that is part of it
[09:45] <Myrtti> ie. that is one of the reasons I think that law has been passed here (and I do believe its been passed because it's an EU directive that has to be implemented in all EU countries)
[09:46] <Myrtti> it doesn't affect non-EU citizens, but still
[09:46] <Myrtti> and the standard disclaimer here:
[09:46] <Myrtti> IANAL! IANAL!
[09:51] <Myrtti> when me and few others started a site about... /me looks around
[09:51] <Myrtti> reusable ecological female hygiene products and installed a discussion forum for it
[09:52] <Myrtti> I wrote, just to make sure, this http://kuukuppikunta.net/foorumi/reksel.html
[09:52] <Myrtti> its a registry writeup that explains the usage of the "electronical database"
[09:53]  * Flannel doesnt understand how the last few lines relate to each other...
[09:53] <Flannel> and I don't think I want to
[09:54] <Myrtti> just explaining where my information and intrest in this comes from
[09:55] <Myrtti> I don't know if writing such a registry writeup is really necessary for discussion forums and so on
[09:55] <Myrtti> but just as a thought about information privacy and our ...
[09:55]  * Myrtti tries to grasp a word
[09:56] <Myrtti> "Our Duties As The Operators Of A Database Containing Information About Telecommunication And Personal Identification"
[09:57] <Myrtti> Duties and Responsibilities
[09:57]  * Myrtti goes to rant about cute guinea pigs
[09:57]  * Myrtti smells the coffee
[09:57] <Flannel> is it really a rant if its about cavies?
[10:01] <Myrtti> omg you should have seen them yesterday! I cleaned their cage and it was soooooooooo hilarious, I brought them in from the balcony as the weather is getting more autumny already, and the little one just went crazy! he jumped up and down and ran around the cage and popcorned as he was happy to be back in the warm cage, and woodchippings just flew all over the place and the older grumpy was covered in it too like he had been in a snow storm... ...
[10:01] <Myrtti> ... it was a bit scary though too since he really ran around and I was afraid he'd hurt himself as he hit the cage many times :-DDDDDD
[10:02] <Myrtti> twas cute though.
[10:03] <Myrtti> and boy did that just sound like that thing from the Fast Show where the old geezer mumbles a story which always ends "... but I have to confess I was very very drunk."
[10:05] <Myrtti> disclaimer: I've slept too little
[10:14] <Flannel> I think we're doing someone's homework in #ubuntu
[10:15] <Myrtti> salaz's?
[10:15] <Flannel> yeah
[10:15] <Myrtti> do we have !homework factoid?
[10:15] <Myrtti> !homework
[10:15] <Myrtti> no
[10:15] <Flannel> homework is offtopic
[10:15] <Flannel> so, we odn't need a homework factoid
[10:16] <Myrtti> it is offtopic
[10:16] <Myrtti> but we do have !girls too
[10:16] <Myrtti> !girls
[10:16] <Flannel> eh, I don't have any problem "doing" someone's homework in -offtopic... or at least, the people helping will police that
[10:17] <Flannel> there's nothing wrong with asking, etc.  People will stop helping after a few questions, and that's just fine.
[10:17] <Myrtti> I hate it when people come to Internet expecting me to do their research
[10:17] <Myrtti> :-<
[10:17] <Myrtti> s/Internet/forums, irc, etc/
[10:18] <Flannel> mhmmm
[10:18] <Flannel> theres a distinct difference between helping, and doing.  salaz has crossed that.
[10:18] <bazhang> heh
[10:20]  * Myrtti waves her hands, goes to microwave another korvapuusti to be enjoyed with coffee
[10:21] <Myrtti> you haz teh powah, you useh teh powah.
[10:21] <bazhang> that seems drastic.
[10:22] <Flannel> gentle nudging should work fine, he seems to have stopped
[10:24] <Myrtti> bazhang: it's not meant as such, only a notion that if things get ugly, I trust Flannel's judgement on the matter as I'm busy eating and not really intrested to police #u right now.
[10:39] <Mez> FAO: Council...
[10:39] <Mez> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc <-- need updating
[11:39] <Myrtti> elkbuntu, elky_work ping
[11:39] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, nah, not there.
[11:40] <elkbuntu> 'sup?
[11:40] <Myrtti> 13:35 < orgthingy> http://www.beigebinary.com/what-if-linux-distros-were-women
[11:40] <Myrtti> I'm rendered speechless
[11:41] <Myrtti> have I been living under a rock?
[11:41] <elkbuntu> dont tell me it's that stupid pr0nt00n stuff again
[11:41] <elkbuntu> uh, that's worse
[11:41] <elkbuntu> :(
[11:49] <PriceChild> Mez: what needs updating?
[11:49] <Myrtti> like the links that refer to *.nl?
[11:50] <PriceChild> fixed
[11:53] <PriceChild> I've closed -ops-monitor, and added invite exemptions to anyone who is already in there. Please poke me if you would like access and can't currently enter.
[11:53] <PriceChild> vulnerable users are already displayed during an actual attack, and from reading the bantracker
[11:54] <PriceChild> I'm worried about someone seeing and messing with how our floodbots.
[11:54] <PriceChild> work
[11:55] <Myrtti> yup
[11:55] <Myrtti> PriceChild: just as a sanity check, since you clearly read the backlog, did that rant of mine have any sense at all
[11:55] <PriceChild> not reading the bantracker, but reading the ban list
[11:56] <PriceChild> Yup I read it.
[11:56] <Myrtti> yup
[11:57] <jrib> PriceChild: while you're up, can I get voice in -ops-monitor?
[11:57] <Myrtti> perhaps ikonia too?
[11:57]  * Myrtti iz being nice
[12:03] <PriceChild> Myrtti: you should have it
[12:04]  * Myrtti hands PriceChild a large $CAFFEINEBEVERAGE
[12:04] <PriceChild> You do don't you? :/
[12:04] <Myrtti> I do
[12:04] <PriceChild> oh wait, that was jrib
[12:04] <PriceChild> silly me
[12:05] <Myrtti> :-)
[12:05]  * PriceChild fires up ubuntuircconcil
[12:06] <PriceChild> fixed
[12:06] <PriceChild> its because myrtti had text around it and i was confused
[12:07]  * Myrtti hides
[12:07] <jrib> PriceChild: thanks
[12:12] <PriceChild> http://labs.mozilla.com/2008/08/introducing-ubiquity/ - but but but...
[12:16] <PriceChild> There already is an ubiquity :(
[12:17]  * Myrtti gives PriceChild a clean cute black guinea pig for consolation
[12:17] <Myrtti> snuggle with Laku, will make you feel better.
[12:17] <Myrtti> he's warm and soft. and big.
[12:18]  * jpds pokes cjwatson in -devel.
[12:18] <Pici> Myrtti: pong?
[12:18] <Pici> also... I can't believe you're still awake.
[12:19] <Myrtti> I slept a few hours between 8 and 10
 http://www.jewbuntu.com/
[12:28] <Pici> Where was that?
[12:28] <bazhang> in -ot
[12:28] <PriceChild> hmm?
[12:28] <bazhang> just because it is on the internet does not mean it is alright to paste in -ot imo
[12:29] <Myrtti> is there something wrong with that?
[12:32]  * Myrtti grunts at the lag
[12:37] <Myrtti> the UCE has the bible reading app etc, I assume there could be similar derivate with hebcal and torah reading app etc...
[13:10] <error404notfound> why am I getting here instead of ubuntu?
[13:10] <jrib> @btlogin
[13:11] <Mez> error404notfound, hi.
[13:11] <error404notfound> hi
[13:12] <Mez> I've temporarily forwarded you here, as you seem to have been flooding the #ubuntu channel, while away...
[13:12] <error404notfound> strange, I didn't even realised :(
[13:12] <jpds> 2008-08-27T08:31:54 <error404notfound> A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept.
[13:12] <Mez> yeah, lemme grab logs a second
[13:12] <error404notfound> okay, can someone tell me from where can I get official sources.lst?
[13:12] <error404notfound> hmmm, strange... stupid plugin... sorry :(
[13:15] <Mez> *yawns* sorry
[13:15] <Mez> logs are huge
[13:16] <jpds> error404notfound: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[13:16] <error404notfound> that's the page I was right now at...
[13:16] <Myrtti> error404notfound: so, have you disabled that plugin of yours now?
[13:17] <error404notfound> hopefully it will not this now
[13:17] <Mez> http://rafb.net/p/pfWX6B74.html <-- log of what was going on
[13:18] <error404notfound> okay, see if it is still causing the same...
[13:19] <error404notfound> okay, can atleast someone redirect me to the default sources.lst file that comes with the new install?
[13:20] <jrib> error404notfound: #ubuntu for support
[13:20] <Mez> error404notfound, this is not for support, we're just fixing you're issue, then we'll send you back to #ubuntu and you can ask for support there.
[13:20] <Mez> error404notfound, do you know what caused that flooding while you were away?
[13:21] <error404notfound> Mez: yup, the new music playing extension that I enabled in pidgin, but I never knew it was causing this
[13:21] <Mez> disabled now?
[13:22] <jpds> < ~orgthingy> whats difference between rm * and rm / ? - #u
[13:22] <error404notfound> yup...
[13:22] <Mez> you can rejoin now
[13:30] <Pici> augh
[13:31] <Mez> error404notfound, you can rejoin #ubuntu now
[13:31] <error404notfound> Mez: did :D
[13:31] <Mez> ah, didnt see it
[13:31] <Mez> !idle | error404notfound
[13:32] <error404notfound> ahan...
[13:34] <elkbuntu> jrib, i'm lagging quite a bit, you do it
[14:15] <Jucato> hm....
[14:15] <Jucato> @login
[14:15] <Jucato> sorry about that, just removed my nick
[14:15]  * Myrtti huggles Jucato
[14:15] <Jucato> thanks for the time :)
[14:15]  * Jucato huggles Myrtti back
[14:16] <Jucato> right.. no lurking in here :P
[14:16] <Myrtti> haha
[14:26] <Tm_T> hi kids
[14:26] <Pici> Hay
[14:28] <jrib> ola
[14:41] <Tm_T> so, how's it been while I've been away?
[14:44] <Myrtti> floodbots have been flipping out, nominations for the council have been published, the usual
[14:47] <Tm_T> has this "because she has boobs" fellow been back?
[14:48]  * Pici throws !en at Myrtti
[14:48]  * Myrtti gives Pici a small kiss on the cheek
[14:48]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti
[14:48]  * Pici blushes
[14:52] <HangukMiguk_> could someone test my connection? i have done the fix and can't get back into #ubuntu
[14:52] <Pici> HangukMiguk_: You just passed, the floodbots unbanned you.
[14:52] <HangukMiguk_> thanks
[14:53] <HangukMiguk_> #ubuntu #ubuntu-read-topic :Forwarding to another channel
[14:53] <HangukMiguk_> still giving me that
[14:54] <Pici> HangukMiguk_: Try again.
[14:54] <HangukMiguk_> it worked thanks
[14:58] <icesword> Pici, yes?
[14:59] <Pici> icesword: let me take a look at the bantracker, one moment.
[14:59] <icesword> Pici, OK, thanks
[15:02] <Pici> icesword: Do you happen to remember why you were muted?
[15:04] <icesword> Well, sure, it is well, i used some !XXX to see if some apps are in the repos, but they aren't, so someone thought I amuted the bot, so i was banned
[15:05] <Pici> icesword: Do you understand how to query the bot in a private message?
[15:05] <icesword> Pici, Well, yes
[15:05] <icesword> Pici, it is /msg ubotu something
[15:06] <icesword> Pici, I am sorry, it won't happen again, i will try to be a good boy, thanks
[15:06] <Pici> icesword: In the future, you probably should do that if you are just looking for things for yourself, or if you dont know if the factoid exists.
[15:07] <Pici> I keep an ubottu window open at all times for looking for things
[15:07] <icesword> Pici, OK, that is nice
[15:08] <Pici> icesword: Can you also take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[15:08] <Pici> Let me know when you are done reading it.
[15:08] <icesword> Pici,OK
[15:09] <icesword> People will know my name, and I had a bad name now. :(
[15:11] <icesword> Pici, Finished
[15:13] <Pici> icesword: The ban has been removed, please keep our guidelines in mind.
[15:14] <icesword> Pici, :(
[15:15] <bazhang> icesword, please depart the channel.
[15:15] <icesword> You mean leave?
[15:15] <bazhang> !idle > icesword
[15:19] <bazhang> he was in #ubuntu under a different name a bit ago, ie before the ban was lifted.
[15:19] <Pici> I know.
[15:19] <Myrtti> wasn't he the z_ feller?
[15:20] <bazhang> imo he is the source of the troubles in -ot
[15:20] <Myrtti> or am I mixing things?
[15:20] <bazhang> yes that is him Myrtti
[15:20] <Pici> I didnt see anything else for him in #ubuntu
[15:20] <bazhang> something like guangdawangluo
[16:00] <bazhang> el is spamming #u and #k; will remove him if he continues in #u
[16:02] <Pici> bazhang: removed.
[16:03] <bazhang> Pici, too quick
[16:05] <Tm_T> he's going to get banned
[16:05] <bazhang> icesword is on thin ice
[16:22] <bazhang> el is back in #k
[16:24] <Tm_T> ban evasion
[16:25] <bazhang> o,0
[16:27] <Tm_T> if he still comes, we need heavier weapons
[16:33] <bazhang> he was already in the -es channels, just tried in #u as well; cant really understand what he was looking for other than to disrupt.
[17:00]  * Pici grumbles
[17:01] <bazhang> oh noez
[17:03] <bazhang> hehe
[17:03] <Pici> j'iod'ja
[17:03] <Pici> AUGH
[17:04] <bazhang> hahahha
[17:04] <Pici> I give up
[17:04] <bazhang> sounds like Linus from the Peanuts
[17:15] <Myrtti> oh dear god.
[17:15] <Myrtti> http://www.scribd.com/doc/3504586/Dont-recount-the-robe-wizard-hat-meme-in-ubuntu
[17:15] <bazhang> guangdawangluo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu that is icesword
[17:21] <Pici> Myrtti: I'm surprised that someone took the time to post that.
[17:22] <Myrtti> so am I
[17:50] <bazhang> el is back in #u
[18:15] <bazhang> and now as manuelperez (ban evasion)
[18:17] <jpds> bazhang: I thought the name sounded familiar.
[18:17] <bazhang> jpds, he did the same in #kubuntu
[18:20] <nalioth> are there common elements to their /whois info each time?
[18:22] <bazhang> [manuelperez] (n=manuelpe@<IP_ADDRESS>): manuelperez   [manuelperez] (n=manuelpe@<IP_ADDRESS>): manuelperez  [el] (n=manuelpe@<IP_ADDRESS>): manuelperez [manuelperez] (n=manuelpe@<IP_ADDRESS>): manuelperez
[18:22] <bazhang> nalioth, ^^
[18:24] <nalioth> i'd say do a broad block for a bit, if he's being disruptive ( ban evading and acting civilly doesn't count )
[18:24] <bazhang> the odd thing is he is already in the -es channels nalioth
[18:25] <nalioth> is he being disruptive?
[18:26] <bazhang> yes; in both channels
[18:26] <bazhang> or was.
[18:26] <nalioth> let the -es ops handle their business
[18:26] <jpds> I see him in both channels.
[18:26] <bazhang> he is back?
[18:26] <nalioth> i can see a *!?=manuel@* ban working if you can remove him before setting them
[18:34] <jpds> Wow.
[18:34] <Myrtti> could someone check that
[18:34] <bazhang> sheesh
[18:34] <bazhang> helping fujisan in #kubuntu and that happens
[18:34] <Myrtti> I need to do some work stuff and as my ath5k sucks badly, my net lags a bit
[18:34] <jpds> PQ SIEMPRE LLEVAS LA MISMA PUTA CAMISETA AMARILLA? - Why do you always wear the same yellow shirt?
[18:35] <Myrtti> more when I start to upload this work pdf
[18:35] <nalioth> klined
[18:35] <jpds> And the rest is too offensive to translate.
[18:35] <nalioth> please don't
[18:36] <nalioth> he went on an english rip in #frenode
[18:36] <nalioth> #freenode, even
[19:24] <Myrtti> hello TiredWolf
[19:24] <Myrtti> and speaking of which
[19:25] <Myrtti> I CAN HAZ SLEEPZ NAO?!?!!1
[19:26] <TiredWolf> hello Myrtti
[19:30] <nalioth> hmmmm droopy  <3   http://www.linux.com/feature/144537
[19:31] <Myrtti> TiredWolf: how may we help you today?
[19:33] <nalioth> cool beans  ( droopy )
[19:33] <nalioth> anyone want to test it out for me?
[19:34] <TiredWolf> Myrtti: i'm still thinking about it
[20:24] <ubot3> In #ubuntuforums-beginners, drubin said: !Arch is a form of linux.
[20:24] <Pici> !scope > drubin
[20:27] <nalioth> you know, that's gotta confuse the hell outta people
[20:28] <nalioth> talk to one bot, get a response from two
[20:30] <Myrtti> :-P
[20:41] <Myrtti> !xfce-themes
[20:41] <Myrtti> @login
[20:55] <Myrtti> TiredWolf: did you figure it out yet?
[21:28] <Myrtti> !idle | TiredWolf
[21:35] <Tm_T> :-P
[21:38] <Myrtti> there we go
[21:38]  * Myrtti pokes TiredWolf with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™
[21:38] <Myrtti> *SQUEEEAK*
[21:38] <Myrtti> anyway
[21:38]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti
[21:38] <Myrtti> icanhazsleepznao.
[21:38] <Myrtti> nini
[21:38] <Tm_T> good night littlesister
[21:41] <PriceChild> Allo there TiredWolf. How're things?
[21:41] <PriceChild> Apart from tiring of course...
[21:41] <TiredWolf> i was about to say that
[21:42] <TiredWolf> things are nice on the alps, pity i'll have to leave them soon.
[21:45] <PriceChild> Been there all this time?
[21:46] <TiredWolf> no for just a month and a half
[21:55] <nalioth> TiredWolf: this is not a social channel.  if you have no issues to bringto the operators, please heed our topic
[21:55] <TiredWolf> nalioth, check my voice
[21:56] <nalioth> i'm confused
[21:56] <nalioth> you are not idnentified
[21:56] <TiredWolf> your whois is lagging
[21:57] <nalioth><PHONE_NUMBER> 15:57 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- TiredWolf is not registered.
[21:57] <PriceChild> He is identified.
[21:57] <PriceChild> -!-           : is signed on as account LjL
[21:58]  * nalioth goes by colored nicks.
[21:58] <nalioth> apologies
[21:58] <PriceChild> Yep, threw me initially too.
[21:58] <TiredWolf> someone's nickname not being registered doesn't mean they not being identified
[21:59] <nalioth> forgive me.  some of the nuances of the new services have escaped me
[21:59] <TiredWolf> you could do that with the old ones too i think, just /ns identify nick password, including the nick
[22:01] <ompaul> TiredWolf, are we to take it you are a howl ;-)
[22:01]  * ompaul runs
[22:02] <TiredWolf> ompaul: i run way faster, woof
[22:02] <ompaul> heheh
[22:04] <TiredWolf> ompaul: did you unban poor rodserling yet?
[22:04] <ompaul> there is nothing poor about him :)
[22:05] <ompaul> we did and he got worse so got a big kick
[22:06] <ompaul> TiredWolf, I don't know if you were here for the second one
[22:06] <TiredWolf> i wasn't here for the first either
[22:08] <ompaul> TiredWolf, ack
[22:08] <ompaul> its been a while
[22:09] <TiredWolf> ompaul, though i can't honestly believe he was that awfully bad to get a permanent ban, after all if everyone in -ot was like him, we'd be fairly well off
[22:10] <ompaul> TiredWolf, pm
[22:11] <TiredWolf> shirley
[22:30] <PriceChild> I have spent 5 minutes annoyed at ipod for not working when plugging it into computer.
[22:30] <PriceChild> Couldn't understand what was happenning, running dmesg on the laptop and seeing nothing.
[22:30] <Pici> Was one end of the usb not plugged into anything?
[22:31] <PriceChild> in the first sentence i said "computer", where i mean "desktop"
[22:31] <Pici> ahhh
[22:31]  * nalioth 's ipod works fine when it's plugged into his truck
[22:33] <Pici> Mine too, and I can use the track +/- buttons on my steering wheel to control the ipod
[22:33] <mneptok> i need to go stick a "Defective By Design" sticker on the front window of the new Apple Store
[22:35] <ompaul> mneptok, I can send you a bucket of them
[22:35] <ompaul> one per day every day
[22:36] <ompaul> :)
[22:44] <ompaul> I am going to remove a few of the bans in here
[22:45] <ompaul> if you see anything wrong please feel free to put it back
[22:45] <ompaul> done
[22:46] <mneptok>  /mode #ubuntu-ops +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:46] <mneptok> "watch out itchy! he's irish!"


[00:06] <petete> give kexi a try too
[00:07] <petete> it's the best koffice program imo
[00:59] <reisio> KDE4 going to run okay on 500MB RAM?
[00:59] <reisio> 2GHz+ proc
[01:00] <tsimpson> don't see why not
[01:01] <tsimpson> depending on what graphics card/chip you have, you may have issue with all the fancy effects, but they work fine on my little intel chip
[01:01] <reisio> k I'll keep it in the running, thanks
[01:01] <reisio> yeah these people will be okay without the effects :)
[01:01] <reisio> although it'd be cute if they worked, heh
[01:01] <tsimpson> I tend to turn them off after a couple of months, get bored with windows wobbling
[01:02] <reisio> I've never cared for fancy effects, but people I know seem to like them :p
[01:02] <reisio> and they're good for a few minutes of amusement
[01:02] <reisio> I still have copies of Novell's original Xgl demo vids
[01:03] <reisio> including the narrator guy saying something like "so there you have it, yeah... not really like USEFUL for all that much, but... yeah"
[01:03] <reisio> graphics acceleration in general though, sure :)
[02:02] <zarzar> how come the monospace font doesn't render (hinting) the same as all the other fonts?
[03:22] <C_Smith> Hey, I'm trying to get Wine 1.2 to work on Kubuntu, and it seemed to work, but it doesn't seem to have made the /home/<name>/.wine/ directory, is there any way it made it somewhere else, or if not,  that I can completely remove Wine and restart?
[03:28] <C_Smith> is anyone answering questions here?
[03:29] <KimLaroux> sometimes, but it's more often than not very quiet
[03:30] <KimLaroux> I guess it's all a question of waiting till someone that actually knows the answer pass by
[03:37] <C_Smith> hmmmm, true, and I've had success with regular Ubuntu, guess I'll try another derivitive.
[03:39] <valorie> it's Saturday night, and the Europeans aren't up yet
[03:40] <valorie> Americans are out doing something fun
[03:41] <rww> lies!
[03:42] <C_Smith> Americans are likely out partying.
[03:47] <valorie> partying = fun
[03:47] <valorie> I hope
[03:47] <KimLaroux> it's an urban legend
[03:47]  * valorie is drinking wine, at least, and listening to birdsong
[03:48] <KimLaroux> I'm drinking cold green tea (eww..), listening to Dubstep, and teaching myself C.
[03:48] <valorie> I mean, if working on the Amarok Handbook doesn't qualify as fun,. what does?
[03:48] <KimLaroux> wait, we're Saturday?
[03:48] <valorie> Saturday here, all day
[03:48] <valorie> evening now
[03:49] <nodragon> morning
[03:56] <jmichaelx> all of this is OT!!! i should turn you all in!!!
[03:56] <valorie> dang
[03:56] <SIR_Taco> who? what now?
[03:57]  * jmichaelx ok, ok i take it back
[03:57]  * valorie sprinkles the fairy-dust moving the OT to #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:57] <valorie> nothing to see here, move along......
[03:57] <SIR_Taco> alright.... haha
[03:58] <jmichaelx> geesh, i liked it better with the OT convo
[03:58] <jmichaelx> that will teach me not to complain..
[03:58] <KimLaroux> there's actually a #kubuntu-offtopic channel?
[03:58] <jmichaelx> KimLaroux: there is
[03:58]  * KimLaroux raises an eyebrow.
[03:58] <jmichaelx> sometimes lively, sometimes dead
[03:59] <SIR_Taco> what happens if you mention Kubuntu in the kubuntu off-topic channel?
[03:59] <rww> If it's like #ubuntu-offtopic and you're asking for support, you'd get poked to #kubuntu. Hopefully it's not like #ubuntu-offtopic though, we're all nuts in there.
[03:59] <KimLaroux> sounds... great
[04:00] <SIR_Taco> haha
[04:00] <jmichaelx> SIR_Taco: mentioning kubuntu in kubuntu-offtopic, would be trying to bring things onto the topic the channel was designed to get away from, therefore making your topic again off-topic
[04:01] <jmichaelx> SIR_Taco: you would just be kicked back to #kubuntu
[04:01] <jmichaelx> :-D
[04:01] <SIR_Taco> jmichaelx: I'm glad you found the joke in that :)
[04:01] <jmichaelx> i did
[04:03]  * valorie hands out popcorn
[04:04] <valorie> popcorn is always on topic!
[04:04] <SIR_Taco> lol
[04:05] <KimLaroux> I <3 amarok too.
[04:05] <SIR_Taco> KimLaroux: yes, it's great... don't know why people get all grumpy about the changes in 2.X though
[04:06] <rww> People don't like change.
[04:06] <jmichaelx> SIR_Taco: it was kind of bad for a while, but has gradually become really good again
[04:06] <KimLaroux> Actually, I use Aqualung when I want to listen to a whole album. Why? Because Amarok doesn't have any semblance of gap-less playback.  I'll have to check that out
[04:10] <KimLaroux> It's a audiophile-level player, supports all sort of DSP plugins and stuff. It was built with quality of playback in mind, no flashy GUI. It doesn't even have laft.fm support.
[04:10] <SIR_Taco> looks like Gimp and Xmms got together and had a child lol
[04:12] <KimLaroux> bah, more like it popped out of dark matter or something.  I wont bite my thumb at you
[05:07] <thefosgattecian> join #chat
[05:25] <SIR_Taco> ok... fun penguin (and Linux by association) related video... makes me laugh http://youtu.be/bnm85jraE8s
[05:49] <phoenixlzx> anyone using Thinkpad T420?
[05:50] <phoenixlzx> my touchpad doesn't word
[05:50] <phoenixlzx> work
[05:52] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: have you tried this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad  ?
[05:55] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: my touchpad hasn't word since I installed kubuntu....
[05:55] <phoenixlzx> work,sorry
[05:55] <SIR_Taco> what version?
[05:56] <phoenixlzx> kubuntu 11.04
[05:56] <phoenixlzx> touchpad:ultranan multi touchpad
[05:56] <valorie> I've never had a problem with any of mine
[05:56] <phoenixlzx> ultranav
[05:56] <SIR_Taco> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191924#c9 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191924#c16
[05:57] <SIR_Taco> seems to be a problem with the xorg.conf file... removing what they suggest in the above posts seems to fix the problem
[05:57] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: should i edit xorg.conf?
[05:58] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: I would, yes
[05:59] <SIR_Taco> seems to be a bug, and that's the work-around.... unless you want to wait for a fix :)
[06:03] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: is this ok? http://paste.kde.org/81013/
[06:03] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: i added line 6
[06:04] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: seems so... did you remove any other lines?
[06:04] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: no
[06:04] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: well, give it a shot
[06:04] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: ok,i will try. thanks a lot
[06:04] <SIR_Taco> trial and error are good for the learning experience :)
[06:09] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: X Server down
[06:09] <phoenixlzx> Fatal Error:No screens found
[06:10] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: it happens when i installed nvidia nvs4200m driver and run 'nvidia-xconfig'
[06:11] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: finally i turn off the nvidia optimus in the bios and then it works.
[06:11] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: hmmm... you could remove the xorg.conf entirely.... it should create a new one next time you boot. Might fix the problem, assuming the fix has been passed down
[06:12] <SIR_Taco> that's very odd
[06:12] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: i agree.So i should delet xorg.conf and reboot?
[06:13] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: it definitely wont hurt anything... with any luck it will re-detect everything, and set the right values
[06:14] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: then i will continue to try.thanks
[06:14] <SIR_Taco> np
[06:16] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: guess what?
[06:16] <SIR_Taco> what?
[06:17] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: it still doesn't work...
[06:17] <SIR_Taco> hmmm
[06:17] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: i think i have installed the right driver
[06:17] <SIR_Taco> you don't have the trackpad toggle off, do you? ;)
[06:18] <phoenixlzx> no,idon't
[06:18] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: you shouldn't have to install a driver, the synaptic driver is in the kernel
[06:19] <SIR_Taco> let me go get my laptop out of the car and see what's going on... give me a minute
[06:19] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: see this...
[06:19] <phoenixlzx> http://paste.kde.org/81019/
[06:34] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: well... seems my laptop doesn't have an xorg.conf file... and everything seems to work fine.... but according to the bug report you should remove "CorePointer" and "CoreKeyboard"  from your xorg.conf that you posted earlier (http://paste.kde.org/81013)
[06:36] <Jigsaw> hey room
[06:36] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: i deleted the xorg.conf file,so i don't have an xorg.conf file either
[06:39] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: sudo xorg -configure
[06:40] <phoenixlzx> Server is already active for display 0....
[06:42] <ilias> hi all. i am running efax v. 3.0.17 and i want to update to v. 3.2.1 to go over some bugs. is there any way to update using terminal?
[06:42] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: wont work if you're in KDE/X
[06:42] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: yes,i'm using KDE
[06:44] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: you'll have to use the command either by loggin in via "recovery console" or by logging out of KDE and shutting down X
[06:44] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: can i use nvidia-xconfig?
[06:44] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: yea, you can use that too
[06:45] <phoenixlzx> Unable to locate/open X configuration file.  New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[06:45] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: should i edit it?
[06:46] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: yep, see if those "core" devices are in there as I mentioned above
[06:47] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: i find them..i should delet them,and add "touchpad"?
[06:48] <SIR_Taco> so you have: InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"? should be : InputDevice    "Mouse0"
[06:49] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: yeah,i have done that. I mean,if i should add "InputDevice  TouchPad"
[06:50] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: I would try it without first, if it doesn't work, then try adding it. (it really should figure all this out on it's own)
[06:52] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: boot times are good atleast :)
[06:53] <phoenixlzx> :)
[06:54] <SIR_Taco> still no mouse?
[06:54] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco:
[06:54] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: yas
[06:54] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: ...http://imagebin.org/157874
[06:56] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: also this http://imagebin.org/157876
[07:00] <LINKSWORD2> Hey all, who's up at this time of night?
[07:00] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: how about: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9740761&postcount=22
[07:00] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: no one is up, we're all sleeping... you're just dreaming
[07:01] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[07:01] <LINKSWORD2> SIR_Taco: I can't get Google Chrome to install.  I never set my clock.
[07:08] <KerrMD> Howdy all, any wine users in the house?
[07:09] <Graf_Westerholt> Maybe I set a crone job.
[07:09] <wildgoose> KerrMD, Probably, what's the next question?
[07:09] <KerrMD> Graf_Westerholt: Perhaps it was set at install?
[07:09] <SIR_Taco> wine users? or abusers? :P
[07:09] <Graf_Westerholt> My install is a few years ago. :)
[07:09] <Graf_Westerholt> !cronjob
[07:10] <LINKSWORD2> Nope, wildgoose, I just copied the files that I was using to make Kubuntu look like a Mac system onto a USB key, then did a re-install.
[07:10] <KerrMD> wildgoose: I am running the latest wine (I think) with wow 4.1 and on occasion graphical/sound/input issues whenI alt tab out of and back into the game
[07:10] <LINKSWORD2> And afterward, installed the files from the USB key.
[07:10] <KerrMD> full screen mode in opengl with the latest ati drivers
[07:10] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: it still won't work
[07:10] <KerrMD> ati radeon hd 5770 iirc
[07:11] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: while i added "InputDevice  TouchPad" into xorg.conf,should i add something else?
[07:13] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: i mean,there are mouse and keyboard in origin file,and there also have keyboard and mouse section
[07:13] <KerrMD> wine is 1.2.2, my mistake
[07:13] <SIR_Taco> hmm
[07:16] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: just for fun (to set my mind at ease, that the mouse is actually working).... open Konsole (Alt-F2 -> type: "konsole"), then type: sudo cat /dev/input/mouse0 and run your finger over the trackpad... you should end up with a bunch of odd symbols... hit CTRL-C to stop it
[07:18] <KerrMD> Would any of you know of a room here thet deals with basic computer support? I used to be in a M$ chat room PCHC back in the day and kind of miss helping others in computer or tech areas.
[07:18] <phoenixlzx> lol.................................................................
[07:18] <KerrMD> "?/
[07:19] <SIR_Taco> KerrMD: what would you like to know?
[07:19] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: http://imagebin.org/157878
[07:20] <KerrMD> SIR_Taco:  nothing, I used to be an op in PCHC and was hoping to get into the support game again. If at least, in chat form
[07:20] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: so i think whether i should add an "InputDevice"Section for TouchPad if i added it
[07:21] <ilias> hi all. i am trying to update a package but i recieved ths error http://paste.ubuntu.com/624923/. Any idea to go over this problem?
[07:21] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: but do you get output with the 'cat' command I mentioned for mouse0?
[07:22] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: a bunch of "????"
[07:22] <KerrMD> ilias: did you try --force?
[07:22] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: that's for my laser mouse,not trackpad
[07:22] <ilias> no. give me details for it plz.
[07:22] <KerrMD> or try purging. It looks  like it's trying to overwrite itsenf
[07:22] <KerrMD> itself
[07:23] <KerrMD> sudo apt-get purge efax-gtk
[07:23] <KerrMD> then sudo apt-get install efax-gtk
[07:23] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: ok... but it gave you ????? for the trackpad or the mouse?
[07:25] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: i move the mouse,and it poured many lines of "????",but i use tackpad,it has no reaction
[07:25] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: ok... what do you have for devices under /dev/input ?
[07:26] <SIR_Taco> ignore event devices....
[07:26] <phoenixlzx> by-id     mice    touchchip-1-1.3 by-path    mouse0
[07:26] <ilias> ok. i 'll try it and i 'll report the result. one more thing for now. to update efax i installed eugenesan repos. i rebooted and i know i recieved a warning from system notifications to get some security and bug updates. i gave yes. i see that eugenesan repos something install in my system. is that safe?
[07:28] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: by-id  mice  touchchip-1-1.3  by-path  mouse0
[07:28] <ilias> actually the update wasnt completed because of the same problem. efax cannot be updated.
[07:29] <KerrMD> eugenesan, I am not familiar with that or the program you are trying to install. I am  just going by the output you posted.
[07:29] <Bugsbane> apachelogger: Does adding the ppa:neon/ppa mean that gwenview, amarok, kate and *all* the apps in neon, will *all* be upgraded to nightly git versions, or do people have to *choose* to install neon versions of specific apps after adding the ppa?...
[07:33] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: you can try changing the "mouse0" in the xorg.conf to "touchchip-1-1.3"
[07:33] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: but my mouse?
[07:33] <ilias> @kerrMD: before i proceed with purge could ypu plz explain me how can i use --force command?
[07:34] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: and the "InputDevice"Section,how should i change it?
[07:35] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: when you plug it back in, it should figure it out.... give me a second and I'll mock one up
[07:40] <SIR_Taco> phoenixlzx: https://launchpad.net/~andrew-woodhead666 https://launchpad.net/~northridge  maybe?
[07:41] <phoenixlzx> SIR_Taco: sorry,but i have other things to deal with,i will try it next time.Thankyou for your help.
[07:42] <SIR_Taco> you're welcome... I can't replicate the problem, so it makes it hard to figure out the problem
[07:47] <KerrMD> Ack, did ilias log?discussion with the wife ... ilias, "man apt-get" without the quotes
[07:50] <ilias> well,well,well. i gave purge and then install but look here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/624942/
[07:52] <SIR_Taco> ilias: did you try "sudo dpkg --configure -a"?
[07:53] <ilias> no, do i have to do it now?
[07:53] <SIR_Taco> ilias: I would try it, yes
[07:53] <ilias> i did it. now what?
[07:53] <ilias> again -install?
[07:53] <jussi> ilias: thats a packaging error. are you using some ppa?
[07:54] <ilias> yep
[07:54] <SIR_Taco> did it give an error? or any other feedback?
[07:54] <ilias> no nothing.
[07:54] <ilias> no answer after sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:55] <ilias> and when i gave install i got the same errors
[07:55] <jussi> ilias: is this a production system?
[07:55] <ilias> and now i dont have installed either my previous version!
[07:55] <KerrMD> Thanks for picking up my slack guys. Domestics....
[07:56] <ilias> what you mean a production system?
[07:56] <KerrMD> and please advise me if iI've lapsed in my advice
[07:56] <jussi> ilias: is the system used for important production, ie. if its broken, then how many people suffer? :D
[07:57] <SIR_Taco> ok... it's far too late/early... (3am)... need to go to bed...
[07:57] <KerrMD> night SIR_Taco sleep well
[07:57] <ilias> just me. but i have to make it from the begin
[07:58] <jussi> ilias: try this: sudo apt-get remove efax && sudo apt-get install efax-gtk
[07:58] <KerrMD> jussi: , no purge?
[07:58] <jussi> KerrMD: purge shouldnt be necessry
[07:58] <ilias> looks like it worked!
[07:59] <jussi> now check of it actually did work :D
[07:59] <ilias> no error message now. should be installed the new version
[07:59] <jussi> ie. does the program function
[07:59] <KerrMD> jussi:  I just ask because I would. never hurts if you're removing
[07:59] <ilias> wait
[08:00] <jussi> KerrMD: purge would remove config files, and its possible he doesnt want that
[08:00] <KerrMD> I had an instance recently where a remove then purge made the diff but that was with ati divers
[08:00] <KerrMD> drivers
[08:00] <jussi> KerrMD: in his situation, it shouldnt matter.
[08:00] <KerrMD> jussi: just the configs for that program yes?
[08:01] <ilias> yep it's the new version remembering my old settings (maybe efaxrc wasn't removed) and it find the modem as the previous did it.
[08:01] <KerrMD> jussi: You are saying that a config file could, in no way, be the issue?
[08:01] <jussi>        purge           purge is identical to remove except that packages are removed and purged (any configuration files are deleted too).
[08:01] <KerrMD> jussi: I know
[08:01] <jussi> KerrMD: for the pastebin problem he had, I would say so.
[08:03] <ilias> so, thanks, do i need anything else to do?
[08:05] <ilias> and finally solved as i have read googling the issue of sending *.ps files.
[08:05] <jussi> KerrMD: the apt-get issue was a conflict of files between 2 packages. we removed the first and installed the second
[08:06] <ilias> thank you very much guys for your help. i have to say once again how helpful you are always!
[08:08] <ilias> do i need anything else to do?
[08:16] <LINKSWORD2> Well, that didn't go according to plan...
[08:17] <LINKSWORD2> For reasons unknown, I'm unable to install anything new to my system.
[08:48] <LINKSWORD2> wildgoose: I'm not able to install Google Chrome, or Pidgin IM.
[08:49] <LINKSWORD2> Sorry for not responding earlier. I'm working on 3 computers at once.
[08:55] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, What error are you running into
[09:09] <LINKSWORD2> No error at all, it just doesn't install.
[09:10] <LINKSWORD2> When I download Chrome to install it, it runs GDebi Package Installer, and appears to install, but it doesn't complete.
[09:10] <LINKSWORD2> After it appears to install, I have checked the programs lists, and Google Chrome is not listed.
[09:12] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, What happens if you sudo apt-get install?
[09:13] <LINKSWORD2> I would need the appropriate command line for that.
[09:13] <Graf_Westerholt> !chrome
[09:14] <LINKSWORD2> Konsole: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:14] <LINKSWORD2>  google-chrome-stable : Depends: libcurl3 but it is not going to be installed
[09:14] <LINKSWORD2> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[09:17] <LINKSWORD2> GAH!!!! I've tried the solutions it recommends, and it's giving me more errors
[09:17] <LINKSWORD2> Same stuff.
[09:18] <Graf_Westerholt> LINKSWORD2, please pastebin the output.
[09:19] <LINKSWORD2> I've already put the output up on here.
[09:20] <wildgoose> !history
[09:20] <wildgoose> !nolove
[09:21] <LINKSWORD2> pastebin.Kubuntu.com
[09:21] <LINKSWORD2> .... Fail.
[09:21] <Graf_Westerholt> LINKSWORD2, the output of  'apt-get -f install'?
[09:22] <LINKSWORD2> Time for a new one...
[09:22] <LINKSWORD2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/624989/
[09:23] <Graf_Westerholt> You should not rune 'apt-get -f install google-chrome-stable' You should run 'apt-get -f install' with no packages.
[09:24] <Graf_Westerholt> LINKSWORD2 google-chrome-stable is installed.
[09:25] <LINKSWORD2> That's not the case. It says it is installed, but it is NOT in the programs directories.
[09:26] <Graf_Westerholt> Run 'google-crome' or 'crome' from the commandline.
[09:26] <Graf_Westerholt> *chrome of course.
[09:26] <LINKSWORD2> What command, specifically?
[09:26] <Graf_Westerholt> Sorry LINKSWORD2?
[09:26] <LINKSWORD2> Is it just "run google-chrome" or something?
[09:27] <Graf_Westerholt> ok, you do not know how to use the command line?
[09:27] <Graf_Westerholt> Just type 'chrome' and hit enter.
[09:28] <Graf_Westerholt> Without the '
[09:28] <LINKSWORD2> I can get it to install stuff like Gimp and OpenOffice with commands. But I'm not the most Linux savvy...
[09:29] <LINKSWORD2> OK, 'google-chrome' worked.
[09:29] <Graf_Westerholt> fine.
[09:30] <LINKSWORD2> It's not in the applications menu, however.
[09:31] <Graf_Westerholt> LINKSWORD2, yes, maybe it is a bug. But I am sure it is in the menu thex next time you start KDE.
[09:31] <Graf_Westerholt> Not being in the menu means not that it is not installed.
[09:32] <LINKSWORD2> I've also tried restarting the system a couple times.
[09:32] <Graf_Westerholt> Try ALT+F2 and type in google-chrome and hit enter.
[09:32] <LINKSWORD2> I'll try again, and we'll see... But I'm expecting the same results.
[09:33] <Graf_Westerholt> You do not have to reboot the system.
[09:33] <Graf_Westerholt> relog in KDE would work.
[09:33] <LINKSWORD2> Well, it's also 3 AM here. I'm logging off for the night.
[09:33] <LINKSWORD2> And if the problem persists, I'll attack it from another angle later.
[09:34] <LINKSWORD2> Sayonara, Graf-san.
[10:21] <Graf_Westerholt> How can I set the display colour to grey?
[10:36] <fy_> ping
[11:37] <pwn4g3> hello everyone, i experience odd behaviour when starting firefox and thundbird. both windows are _not_ maximized. how to turn on maximized on start?
[11:38] <kubu2> pwn4g3: maximize and then close. next start will be maximized
[11:39] <pwn4g3> kubu2: tried that, doesn't work :(
[11:39] <kubu2> pwn4g3: works for me
[11:39] <pwn4g3> very odd
[11:40] <Graf_Westerholt> pwn4g3 try the setting for the windows at fullscreen.
[11:40] <Graf_Westerholt> pwn4g3 right mouse at the title of the window, configure window behaviour.
[11:41] <Graf_Westerholt> or better advanced.
[11:41] <Graf_Westerholt> special applikation settings.
[11:41] <pwn4g3> Graf_Westerholt: got that open, where is the setting?
[11:42] <pwn4g3> placement?
[11:43] <Graf_Westerholt> At „geomerty“ check fullscreen.
[11:44] <Graf_Westerholt> Got it, pwn4g3?
[11:45] <Graf_Westerholt> or try 'maximised…' instead of 'fullscreen'.
[11:45] <pwn4g3> yes Graf_Westerholt, thanks a bunch :D
[11:45] <Graf_Westerholt> np
[11:47] <pwn4g3> ah, interesting, found the cause
[11:48] <pwn4g3> 1.) start firefox 2.) drag unmaximized window to upper left corner 3. use the mouse in the lower right corner to resize as much as possible (will snap to edge) 4.) restart
[11:48] <pwn4g3> no need for special settings
[11:50] <kubu2> you are really odd..
[11:50] <kubu2> what you did can be done just as well by clicking max button
[11:51] <pwn4g3> no kubu2
[11:51] <pwn4g3> when clicking maximize the window manager will _not_ remember it
[11:51] <pwn4g3> well, but you are right i am an odd guy nevertheless
[11:51] <Graf_Westerholt> pwn4g3, works with only maximize it, close, open, window is maximized.
[11:52] <pwn4g3> doesn't for me for whatever reason
[11:52] <Graf_Westerholt> that is ok. :) That' bescause I gave you the other way. ;)
[11:54] <kubu2> pwn4g3: you can even drag window to the top edge and it will maximize for you
[11:55] <pwn4g3> yea i know kubu2, i love that feature
[11:55] <pwn4g3> i like placing them half screen next to each other for debugging :)
[12:10] <szal> pwn4g3: I doubt that, I always open FF maximized, just by having clicked its Maximize button on 1st use
[12:11] <pwn4g3> oh great, now everyone thinks "there is the idiot that can't maximize a window"
[12:13]  * szal knows that there can be oddities in window behaviour
[12:13] <szal> try e.g. LibreOffice..  window sizes of existing documents will be remembered, but try to open a new document maximized, you'll likely fail
[12:15] <pwn4g3> szal: mine is maximized O.o
[12:15] <desdenova_> maybe try to reproduce with a new user account? Maybe it has something to do with false permissions in a temp settings folder or document
[12:16] <szal> pwn4g3: ooh nice, mine too..
[12:19] <Aterus> Has anyone ran in to an issue when you copy a large file to USB data carrier, the system become very slow and laggy. Even typing lags.
[12:20] <szal> define 'large'
[12:20] <Aterus> 7.6GB
[12:20] <pwn4g3> no Aterus, you mean using dolphin?
[12:20] <szal> define 'USB data carrier'
[12:20] <Aterus> USB key
[12:21] <szal> filesystem?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[12:21] <Aterus> And the copying speed is extremely unstable ranging from 10 Mbps to 500kbps or so
[12:21] <Aterus> Ext4 on PC and NTFS on the key
[12:21] <Aterus> i copied large file in ubuntu before and never had this issue
[12:22] <szal> no idea about NTFS-formatted keys
[12:23] <Aterus> I think i might take that back. My laptop is playing up. I used a different port and it works flawlesly.
[12:37] <amichair> !info guarddog natty
[12:37] <amichair> !info guarddog
[12:37] <amichair> !find guarddog
[12:38] <amichair> um, no
[12:50] <szal> amichair: looks like guarddog is dead, last news on their homepage is from March 2007
[12:51] <ilias> hi all. does any one know if i have to fix something in kmix to may hear my modem speaker? i have already given M2L2 commands to the modem but i cannot hear it dial or ring.
[12:56] <pwn4g3> is there a replacement project for guarddog?
[12:59] <amichair> szal: just looking for the package, guarddog does exactly what it's supposed to so it doesn't really require much updating
[13:00] <amichair> pwn4g3: from what I gather, it's all ufw and gufw now. Too bad.
[13:01] <szal> amichair: guarddog requires KDE3, I doubt you'll find that anywhere for Natty ;)
[13:01] <amichair> unfortunately
[13:01] <szal> and the description on the homepage says "firewall for KDE 2" ;)
[13:01] <pwn4g3> hm. i'll give it a shot. what harm can it possibly do? (famous last words)
[13:01] <amichair> hehe
[13:03] <pwn4g3> that is some tidy interface -.-
[13:46] <smose> hi!
[13:48] <smose> I'm using 10.04 and after latest update X won't start. Is there something i could do?
[13:58] <Peace-> smose: mm
[13:58] <Peace-> smose: selecting another kernel
[13:58] <Peace-> ?
[13:58] <PiotrN> smose: have you used proprietaty graphisc drivers ?
[13:59] <PiotrN> proprietaty*
[13:59] <PiotrN> rry*
[13:59] <PiotrN> r
[13:59] <PiotrN> proprietary*
[14:15] <Who> is there something similiar like caffeine for kubuntu
[14:15] <mfraz74> what is caffeine? do you mean kaffeine?
[14:16] <Who> nah caffeine
[14:17] <Who> A status bar application able to temporarily prevent the activation of both the screensaver and the "sleep" powersaving mode.
[14:17] <mfraz74> https://launchpad.net/caffeine
[14:18] <Who> yep
[14:31] <smoze> Is there a good guide for changing video driver?
[14:32] <Graf_Westerholt> Who, you can either set a side of the screen that disable the screensaver when you move the mouse to this side or activate other screen edge actions. This will also prevent the srceensaver from became active.
[14:33] <TJB> hi
[14:34] <TJB> is KDE *really* better than GNOME?
[14:34] <Peace-> TJB: kde is different
[14:34] <Peace-> kde can be what you want
[14:34] <Peace-> so.. it has more option
[14:34] <TJB> i keep hearing claims that KDE is the best
[14:34] <TJB> where is the evidence
[14:35] <Peace-> i would say it's better for who likes choice
[14:35] <Peace-> TJB: for example
[14:35] <Peace-> i can do gnome2 panel on kde in one click
[14:35] <Graf_Westerholt> TJB, just try it.
[14:35] <TJB> i wish gnome and kde would merge
[14:35] <TJB> i hate how apps are made for either gnome or kde
[14:35] <Peace-> TJB: btw kwin seems to be better on fps
[14:35] <TJB> just settle your differences
[14:36] <TJB> sometimes too much choice is a bad things
[14:36] <TJB> thing
[14:36] <Peace-> TJB: ok so if you think that keep gnome
[14:36] <Peace-> i will keep kde :)
[14:37] <TJB> how can i get kde and gnome t omerge
[14:37] <TJB> to merge
[14:37] <Peace-> TJB: kwin has more fps ==> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/how-much-does-unity-gnome-shell-affect-performance/
[14:38] <TJB> okay
[14:38] <TJB> i am surprised actually
[14:38] <Peace-> TJB: have you an old pc?
[14:39] <TJB> no
[14:39] <Peace-> TJB: so...
[14:39] <TJB> i thought GNOME was more lightweight
[14:41] <Peace-> TJB: well kde seems more heavy because it is complete
[14:41] <Peace-> it has semantic desktop
[14:41] <Peace-> so basically you can search words into the file too...
[14:42] <Peace-> that burns a lots of resources
[14:42] <Peace-> but if you disable that ...
[15:31] <alex_> hi
[15:31] <Graf_Westerholt> Hi, alex_.
[15:33] <alex_> What is your name?
[15:33] <Graf_Westerholt> My name is Graf_Westerholt.
[15:33] <alex_> clear
[15:34] <alex_> sorry to ask. whom we now speak.
[15:35] <Graf_Westerholt> Just call me Graf_Westerholt.
[15:36] <alex_> where you from?
[15:36] <alex_> excuses are very far
[15:38] <Graf_Westerholt> alex_, this is an ubuntu-help-channel. Please join #kubuntu-offtopic for anything else.
[15:38] <Graf_Westerholt> alex_, this is an kubuntu-help-channel. Please join #kubuntu-offtopic for anything else.
[15:39] <alex_> ok
[15:43] <alex_> hi
[15:52] <TJB> hi
[15:59] <friese> hi
[16:00] <friese> i want to install https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa on debian wheezy, that repo does include kde 4.6.4 and the new kontact with akonadi or?
[16:01] <TJB> or you could use ubuntu
[16:01] <friese> meh
[16:02] <ratz_> hi folks
[16:03] <tsimpson> friese: it's specifically made for Kubuntu, you could try it on debian, but I'll most likely explode
[16:03] <ratz_> i am looking for software in linux which can backup my windows file server etc. Can any one please suggest me what I should do?
[16:03] <friese> ok
[16:04] <friese> i know that there is a good posibility, kde may not boot after sth.like this, but does that repo include the "new" kontact 2?
[16:06] <tsimpson> I don't think it does
[16:07] <ratz_> anyone who can suggest me any backup server like symantec backup?
[16:08] <yofel> friese: no, it doesn't
[16:09] <yofel> The packaging for kdepim2 isn't done yet
[16:09] <yofel> and it'll be in kubuntu-ppa/backports when it's out
[16:13] <friese> ok, thx
[16:13] <ratz_> thanks. i will give it a check
[16:19] <olskolirc> how do i customize my boot screen on natty please?
[16:22] <lindux> I'm running the Kubuntu 11.04 live CD and I can't get wifi working. (I also can't get it working on ubuntu 11.04) I've got an HP dm4-1160us notebook. Any suggestions? Is this expected on a live CD?
[16:28] <lindux> Anyone around?
[16:28] <TJB> perhaps try ubuntu instead
[16:28] <lindux> k
[16:28] <TJB> ubuntu is better anyway
[16:29] <lindux> TJB - Ha. I'm having the same problem in Ubuntu 11.04 so I might as well try that channel too. Strange because my wifi  is Intel not even broadcom.
[16:31] <TJB> in that case, try Windows
[16:31] <TJB> GNU/Linux is a headache
[16:34] <Peace-> TJB: -.-
[16:34] <Peace-> why you have said windows when intels works
[16:34] <TJB> intels?
[16:34] <Peace-> you have understood
[16:34] <Peace-> don't you?
[16:40] <TJB> windows is easier than gnu/linux
[16:40] <TJB> windows just works
[16:40] <TJB> i'm just being honest
[16:43] <davemac> hi guys anyone know how to install libreoffice database application thru apt-get ?
[16:44] <olskolirc> what do you mean applications davemac ?
[16:45] <davemac> well i installed the libreoffice package with spreadsheet etc but the db app is greyed out, i assume its not installed
[16:46] <yofel> davemac: should be libreoffice-base I think
[16:46] <davemac> ah ok i'll give that a shot cheers chaps
[16:48] <olskolirc> for sql davemac ?
[16:50] <Peace-> TJB: this is kubuntu channel
[16:50] <Peace-> TJB: so... you have deleted the hope of a user
[16:50] <Peace-> to get linux working in few steps
[16:50] <Peace-> this is a bad behavior
[16:50] <Peace-> if you don't know how to help
[16:50] <Peace-> don't
[16:50] <Peace-> do it
[16:51] <TJB> i'm just saying; windows is easier, by far
[16:51] <olskolirc> lol
[16:51] <Dragnslcr> I love the smell of troll in the morning
[16:52] <Graf_Westerholt> [17:51:24] <TJB> i'm just saying; windows is easier, by far  ⇐ that is the reason why I use Linux. ;)
[16:52] <PiotrN> here it's early evening and trolls dont smell nicely....
[16:53] <davemac> thanks giys that was the right one to install
[16:54] <ilias> is there any way when an application crash not to view the report of this crash?
[16:54] <Peace-> i don't understand people like you TJB have you a life ?
[16:54] <chachan> I don't think windows is easier than kubuntu
[16:55] <Peace-> ilias: i guess yes
[16:55] <ilias> how? can i fix it?
[16:55] <Peace-> ilias: look on help menu
[16:55] <Peace-> ilias: there is report bug
[16:55] <chachan> in fact, configuring the networking is "harder"
[16:55] <ilias> the help menu of the application?
[16:55] <Peace-> ilias: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/06/12/plasma-desktopNB1753.jpg
[16:56] <yofel> ilias: what do you mean with 'not to view' - do you get  a crash report and don't want that?
[16:56] <ilias> i found this. how can i disable it
[16:57] <BluesKaj> TJB, do you have a question about kubuntu or are you just trolling ?
[16:57] <ilias> yep. i dont want to see the crash screen
[16:57] <Peace-> mm
[16:57] <Peace-> nice question ilias
[16:57] <ilias> i know it is interesting. the point is if it customisable!
[16:58] <yofel> ah, drkonqi... good question...
[17:00] <ilias> do you know why i want to customise this?
[17:01] <yofel> does something crash that frequently?
[17:02] <ilias> yep. kmail. when the shutdown and it is running in system tray
[17:02] <ilias> yep. kmail. when the system shutdowns and it is running in system tray
[17:03] <ilias> and i recieve a crash report about akonandi server
[17:06] <ilias> well, any idea?
[17:06] <yofel> seriously no idea if that's possible, #kde might know. A brute force way to do it would probably be
[17:06] <yofel> sudo chmod -x /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi
[17:06] <yofel> but an update would revert that
[17:07] <ilias> an update of what?
[17:08] <kevin_b> Hello guys, i'm affected by this x-server bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/505494
[17:08] <ilias> i gave sudo chmod -x /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi and the system doesnt rely anything
[17:08] <ilias> is it normal?
[17:08] <vrubium> Hi guys, i'm reading some interesting articles about owncloud, but i dont quite understand how can i use it, any tip?
[17:09] <yofel> yes, if it doesn't complain it worked
[17:09] <yofel> ilias: the file i in kdebase-runtime, so the next KDE update would revert the change
[17:09] <kevin_b> so I thought about building a new x-server, is there a max version for compatibility with KDE 4.6.last ?
[17:09] <yofel> ilias: *is in
[17:13] <yofel> kevin_b: doesn't it say the fix is in 1.8 or later?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> kevin_b, have you installed the recommended video drivers..I have to ask . if so generate a new xorg.conf file, just substitute gdm with kdm on kubuntu:http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/ubuntu/ubuntu-9-10/xorg-conf-file-create-on-ubuntu-9-10/
[17:15] <kevin_b> BluesKaj : i'm using fglrx from official repository
[17:16] <kevin_b> I dont see any advise aboutvideo drivers. Which one would you recommend?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> fglrx from official repository is probly the right one, did you install it with jockey?
[17:17] <kevin_b> jockey?
[17:17] <kevin_b> just run apt-get install fglrx
[17:18] <DarthFrog> !info jockey-kde
[17:18] <BluesKaj> kevin_b, kmenu>apps>settings>additonal drivers
[17:18] <kevin_b> yofel : seems like I have x-server 1.1
[17:18] <ilias> in kde somebody advise me to use kdebugdialog. any suggestion?
[17:18] <yofel> kevin_b: which release are you on?
[17:19] <kevin_b> yofel : 2011-04-15
[17:19] <yofel> ilias: that can disable debugging information that's logged in ~/.xsession-errors but I don't see an option to disable drkonqi there
[17:20] <BluesKaj> kevin_b, lsb_release -a
[17:20] <kevin_b> 11.04
[17:20] <kevin_b> btw : I have a cute "No LSB modules are available."
[17:20] <ilias> ok. thanks. so its useless. is there way to customise drkonqi? i googled but i didnt find anything
[17:21] <BluesKaj> kevin_b, Let me repeat . kmenu>apps>settings>additonal drivers
[17:21] <kevin_b> BluesKaj : went where you pointed, it seems like everything 's fine
[17:22] <kevin_b> Proprietary driver fglrx tested by ubuntu devs, this driver is enabled and used
[17:23] <BluesKaj> kevin_b, ok , just making sure
[17:24] <kevin_b> So I was thinking about to try to build a newer x.org x-server,
[17:26] <kevin_b> I dunno what i'm doing actually, and what trouble I'm running into :p
[17:28] <BluesKaj> kevin_b, what makes you think it's an Xserver problem, have you tried to regenerate or edit ?
[17:29] <kevin_b> I dunno at all, except that it the bug description matches my system behaviour
[17:29] <kevin_b> and that it's said it x-server related
[17:30] <kevin_b> btw it is just happenning right now, my irc client got the focus for ever now
[17:30] <kevin_b> so fun
[17:30] <kevin_b> actually only the textbox will have the focus
[17:31] <kevin_b> only Alt-Tab will defocus and focus another window
[17:31] <mfraz74> Just noticed something odd with the display of smilies in Kubuntu 11.04. Can someone confirm?
[17:31] <kevin_b> none of my Clicks  are taken in account anymore
[17:31] <kevin_b> the system is totally unusable
[17:32] <mfraz74> If I hover over a text smily that has been replaced by a picture where I would normally see the original text if I hover over it, I now just get a blur
[17:32] <mfraz74> :(
[17:33] <scottladd> Howdy. Havign a few problems with Kubuntu 11.04 and dual monitors on Intel Integrated (Arrondal, i5) graphics.
[17:34] <scottladd> When I reboot KDE, it seems to randomize the configuration
[17:34] <scottladd> And when I have both monitors working, the secondary monitor (on HDMI) tens to be disabled at apparently random times.
[17:34] <scottladd> Any ideas?
[17:35] <scottladd> I'm fully current on patches, btw
[17:35] <kevin_b> how can downgrade to a older X.org xserver?
[17:36] <utusan> kevin_b, try using radeon instead and see if it' ok
[17:36] <kevin_b> utusan : you mean radeon drivers?
[17:36] <utusan> yes
[17:37] <kevin_b> tried it, removed it, :)
[17:38] <kevin_b> or are you talking about the x-server-xorg-video-radon package?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> which ati card , kevin_b ?
[17:38] <scottladd> Sigh. Why do I never have problems that anyoen else has answers to? Am I just skilled, or damned? :)
[17:38] <mfraz74> This is what I mean http://twitpic.com/5an2dc
[17:39] <kevin_b> HD 4650 on laptop
[17:40] <smoze> hey! anyone got answer for this? after latest updates x server freezez the whole machine. i have radeon hd.
[17:41] <smoze> sorry for typos
[17:41] <kevin_b> smoze : welcome to the naughty x server bug
[17:41] <kevin_b> smoze : we 're in the same boat
[17:42] <smoze> kevin_b: so there's no fix for it yet?
[17:43] <kevin_b> maybe it s fglrx related, but anyway the first the bug N°505494 showed off, was after last week update
[17:43] <mfraz74> smoze: I take it this is with 11.04?
[17:43] <smoze> mfraz74: LTS actually
[17:43] <Quintasan> scottladd: Well, we can't really do anything about it, KDE might be acting up
[17:43] <kevin_b> smoze have a look at ubuntu bug 505494 and see if it matches
[17:43] <mfraz74> smoze: ah, well 11.04 doesn't seem to be any better
[17:44] <Quintasan> scottladd: I'd recommend that you mv your current ~/.kde somewhere safe and try with fresh settings
[17:44] <scottladd> I'll give it a shot. BRB...
[17:45] <Quintasan> scottladd: please backup your .kde first
[17:45] <Quintasan> I just hope he did back it up
[17:46] <BluesKaj> kevin_b, according to the Ubuntu the driver you should be using is the driver on this tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[17:47] <kevin_b> haha : i'm affected by the mighty currently, I can't copy paste
[17:47] <kevin_b> thanks anyway
[17:47] <BluesKaj> just click the link
[17:48] <kevin_b> the mouse click doesnt have any effect
[17:48] <kevin_b> that s the bug
[17:48] <kevin_b> but it s not frozen
[17:48] <kevin_b> just copying it s ok
[17:48] <kevin_b> I mean by earth and alt tab lol
[17:49] <kevin_b> s/earth/eart
[17:49] <kevin_b> ok I'm going to follow this strictly, and get started from there
[17:57] <Roinux> hello somebody know how can i install java
[17:58] <Graf_Westerholt> !java
[17:58] <Roinux> i'm using kubuntu
[17:59] <Roinux> it's doesn't matter?
[17:59] <Graf_Westerholt> It is the same for kubuntu/ubuntu. Does not matter, Roinux.
[17:59] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-restricted-extras , Roinux
[17:59] <Roinux> thanks
[18:01] <BluesKaj> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:02] <france1159> Hello everyone
[18:02] <amichair> does someone feel like trying to recreate a bug? (warning: your desktop will freeze, so make sure your open apps are in a disposable state)
[18:02] <france1159> I changed the layout keybord by the sys tem configuration but that doesn't work.
[18:03] <france1159> i restart my session but nothing.
[18:03] <france1159> how can i do this ?
[18:03] <Graf_Westerholt> france1159, how did you changed it? Maybe you made a mistake.
[18:04] <amichair> the bug goes like so: 1. enable desktop effects 2. open a konsole window 3. try resizing the console window to the left 4. everything hangs!
[18:04] <Graf_Westerholt> amichair, afaik this bug is fixed.
[18:05] <amichair> Graf_Westerholt: on an up-to-date Natty it ain't...
[18:05] <france1159> Graf_Westerholt: Simply by change the layout keyboard in the panel associated to entry device.
[18:05] <Graf_Westerholt> I have no problem with konsole windows resizing with desktop effects.
[18:07] <BluesKaj> Roinux, kubuntu-restricted -extras installs the proper java , flash and multimedia codecs etc for your kubuntu install, installing a seprate java will just make your system clunky
[18:08] <mfraz74> any idea what's happened to kopete-gcall in 11.04?
[18:08] <sudokill> how to i enable the kde snow effect automatically on login / startup? atm i have to press meta ctrl + f12
[18:12] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[18:20] <Graf_Westerholt> I was wrong. :)
[18:24] <amichair> I just found bug #760632, it looks like the nvidia drivers are fixed but haven't hit the repos yet. Hope they do soon.
[18:26] <mick-mick> hi friends
[18:27] <Graf_Westerholt> france1159 you have only one layout for your keyboard now?
[18:27] <mick-mick> I lost the trash icon from Dolphin
[18:36] <D-coy> :þ
[18:38] <sudokill> does anyone use the snow effect in kde?
[18:48] <Graf_Westerholt> Are the bots crazy?
[18:48] <rww> Graf_Westerholt: nope, freenode is having issues today and they're responding accordingly
[18:48] <Graf_Westerholt> :)
[19:11] <ryrych> I know I repeat myself :D but I would like to ask those who have n900 and tried out new kontact touch on it?
[19:12] <ilias> hi all. could you please suggest me a desktop theme witch has blue/dark blue color in task bar, except deep blue which i had already tried.
[19:13] <ilias> deep=big
[19:32]  * SJK_24601_is_not is away: Gone away for now
[19:50] <mick-mick> hola amigos! qué tal?
[19:51] <mick-mick> hi
[19:51] <BluesKaj> mick-mick, yeah english here :)
[19:51] <mick-mick> oh
[19:51] <mick-mick> pardon
[19:51] <mick-mick> I am newer on kubuntu
[19:52] <BluesKaj> !pt
[19:53] <mick-mick> thks
[19:53] <mick-mick> I am looking for a programm like paltalk in Kubuntu
[19:53] <mick-mick> I thought Quassel was that
[19:55] <BluesKaj> !quassel
[19:56] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, mick-mick is already using quassel.
[19:56] <BluesKaj> yeah but the factois will tell him what it is
[19:56] <BluesKaj> factoid
[19:56] <mick-mick> what is quassel exactly?
[19:57] <BluesKaj> an irc client
[19:57] <mick-mick> ah
[19:57] <mick-mick> to learn more about kubuntu?
[19:57] <Graf_Westerholt> ubottu knows nothing about quassel? Stupid bot.
[19:58] <BluesKaj> !info quassel
[19:58] <mick-mick> I am doing nothing now. Just spending time
[19:59] <mick-mick> :)
[20:11] <alivePerson1234> what was the name of the other kde irc client that was popular in kde 3.5 ?
[20:11] <rww> konversation?
[20:12] <alivePerson1234> no i was thinking of kVirc i believe
[20:13] <alivePerson1234> huh i guess theres a lot of them
[20:13] <Belserusk> Hi guys. What would go in place of FILE in this?   gedit --sm-client-state-file=FILE
[20:15] <alivePerson1234> you should be able to save the session somewhere, it is a gtk app and not kde btw
[20:16] <alivePerson1234> i think you need the gedit-plugins package and you can then save the session
[21:16] <puma> hi
[21:16] <puma> am new here
[21:17] <Bart123> hi
[21:19] <Bart123> hi?
[21:32] <Sentynel> hi guys, any news on kde 4.7 beta 2 packages?
[21:39] <soee> Sentynel, kde b2 isnt released yet
[21:39] <Sentynel> soee: it been delayed then? release schedule says 8th
[21:40] <soee> Sentynel, yes but this week was for kde 4.6.4
[21:41] <Sentynel> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.7_Release_Schedule I'm looking at this
[21:42] <soee> Sentynel, yes i know :) but there were some conferences and the schedule is a bit outdated when it comes to beta2
[21:42] <Sentynel> soee: okay, cheers
[22:40] <EdD_> y
[22:47] <lcb> hello
[23:49] <m_tadeu> hi there...does anyone know how 2 finger-scrolling works in a single touchpad