[02:00] <bjsnider> why would the ppa build system complain that a header is not there when it is?
[02:03] <wgrant> bjsnider: The PPA build system is not doing that.
[02:03] <wgrant> It doesn't know about headers.
[02:04] <bjsnider> /usr/include/gjs-1.0/gjs/importer.h:33:19: error: jsapi.h: No such file or directory
[02:05] <bjsnider> jsapi.h is definitely in there
[02:05] <wgrant> That's your package's build system.
[03:11]  * shriekout $decode(s60gwKe068fRILDHtOPAzLTZISEhDQpuaWNrILDHtOMNCnF1aXQgOrDHtOMgx9ewocfXsKE=,m)
[03:11] <shriekout> sorry
[14:06] <etali> Hi, I'm trying to learn packaging, I'm starting by fixing dependencies for some of the stuff listed on http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/debcheck - where would I submit a diff I've made so that it can be checked over?  (I did something for iceweasel-downloadstatusbar but there's no bug report to attach it to or anything I can see).
[14:07] <jbicha> make your own bug report and attach the patch
[14:08] <etali> Ah, cool, thanks.
[14:14] <etali> OK, bug 500779.  I subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors.  Hope everything is correct!
[15:07] <geser> etali: could you please also provide a debdiff?
[15:07] <geser> a debdiff makes it easier to check your changes
[15:09] <geser> and in the case of firefox addons, you should perhaps also talk to the firefox maintainers, as they know better what changes are needed
[15:10] <geser> I doubt that firefox will look in /usr/share/iceweasel for possible addons
[15:12] <hyperair> hmmm should i just copy the endorsements from my uuc application to my motu application, or should i get new ones?
[15:13] <geser> new ones
[15:13] <hyperair> new ones eh..
[15:13] <hyperair> okay
[15:13] <hyperair> must they be by different people?
[15:14] <geser> no, they might come from the same sponsors (and it's up to them if they write something new or copy the old statement)
[15:14] <hyperair> ah
[15:14] <hyperair> right
[15:14] <etali1> geser: thanks - I'll check what else needs changed then upload a debdiff
[15:15] <geser> etali1: and you should target lucid (and not karmic) in your changelog
[15:16] <etali1> This might be a silly question, but is it OK to target lucid when I'm building on Karmic?
[15:17] <hyperair> well you acn always use pbuilder to build in lucid
[15:17] <hyperair> i mean build for lucid in karmic
[15:17] <Laney> (should)
[15:17] <hyperair> you could also use cowbuilder like i do
[15:17] <hyperair> right
[15:17] <hyperair> should
[15:18] <geser> etali: the target is only important for uploads (e.g. to the archive or your PPA), so it doesn't matter during build.
[15:19] <etali> geser: ah, cool, thanks
[15:19] <geser> you can build the package on karmic (for karmic) to check it your changes are enough or on karmic for lucid to test if it builds (for lucid)
[15:19] <etali> hyperair: is there somewhere I can read about cowbuilder?  I can't see a wiki page for it?
[15:19] <Laney> it has the same interface as pbuilder
[15:20] <hyperair> etali: there's a manpage.
[15:20] <hyperair> etali: install cowbuilder and then man cowbuilder
[15:20] <hyperair> or yelp man:cowbuilder if you feel better reading from a web-like interface
[15:22] <etali> hyperair: OK, thanks!  I reflexively check the wiki for everything - I usually read up on stuff while I'm working on my Windows machine.
[15:22] <hyperair> etali: aah
[15:22] <hyperair> well google for cowbuilder manpage
[15:22] <hyperair> i'm sure it's around somewhere
[15:22] <geser> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/karmic/en/man8/cowbuilder.8.html :)
[15:23] <etali> geser: thanks :)
[15:24] <etali> I'll make the suggested changes, check with the mozilla guys, and try again :)
[15:25] <geser> iirc they have an own channel, but I don't remember the name anymore
[15:25] <etali> I think it's #ubuntu-mozillateam - will find out soon, just about to ask them.
[15:25] <geser> sounds right
[15:45] <bjsnider> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/gobject-introspection-repository
[15:45] <bjsnider> does that package exist in lucid or not?
[15:45] <hyperair> is gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 legal to install in all countries?
[16:02] <geser> bjsnider: no
[16:04] <bjsnider> geser, i see, it says "deleted" because it has been superseded by debian gir1 packages
[16:05] <bjsnider> in the control file's build-deps list, it's possible to do package | package, but is it possible to do package | package and package?
[16:05] <geser> bjsnider: you want "pkg1 | (pkg2 and pkg3)"
[16:06] <bjsnider> geser, absolutely
[16:06] <bjsnider> if possible
[16:06] <geser> try "pkg1 | pkg2, pkg1 | pkg3"
[16:07] <bjsnider> so i'm listing pkg1 twice
[16:07] <bjsnider> that way you could design a control file that would work across at least 2 distros
[16:25] <Shizuo> azeem: I have a debian question
[16:26] <Shizuo> Hey there, Sarvatt
[16:32] <ScottK> Your odds of getting an answer go up if you actually ask the question.
[16:33] <Shizuo> ScottK: wHAT?
[16:33] <ScottK> Shizuo: You said you have a question, but you didn't ask it.  It's impossible to answer an unasked question.
[16:33] <Shizuo> ScottK: You are correct
[16:34] <ScottK> So go ahead and ask the question.
[16:35] <Shizuo> I am glad we talked
[16:35] <Shizuo> Thanks for all your help
[16:39] <Shizuo> ScottK: There is no need to be shy
[18:33] <hyperair> do i need to g_object_unref my GFile*s gotten from g_file_new_from_uri?
[18:45] <Quintasan> nixternal or persia: can you add me to REVU as a reviewer or I need to do some sort of application first?
[19:00] <and`> Quintasan: a ping on IRC is enough, no applications required :)
[19:06] <stedy> hello, could sombody assist me whit a basic pbuild question? making a deb package and get a error saying http://paste.ubuntu.com/345558 how could i bypass this one?
[19:06] <stedy> hmm im a newbee so... http://paste.ubuntu.com/347713/ thats minidlna's make file
[19:07] <geser> stedy: try PREFIX=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp before make install in your rules file
[19:17] <stedy> PREFIX=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp added to upstream make file gave sucess :) thx a lot!! . but could my rules file be wrong? http://paste.ubuntu.com/347723/
[20:19] <Quintasan> uhh, damn isp
[20:20] <Quintasan> and`: thanks, I was worried that I will have to go through a second questioning session ;P
[20:20] <and`> Quintasan: nah, you're lucky this time
[20:21] <Quintasan> :D
[21:52] <stedy> geser: i now got pbuild to run without error but, the binarys is not whitin the deb file..
[21:56] <persia> Quintasan: You're now a reviewer
[21:58] <persia> Quintasan: Also, for REVU, the set of admins to ask about stuff is listed at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/stats
[23:03] <emet> hey
[23:04] <emet> the package wine recommends winbind, why ?
[23:14] <emet> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/500880
[23:30] <Quintasan> persia: Thank you :)


[08:27] <guesswhat> is some amd gpu driver required for 6800U laptop cpu, or is it already included in kernel?
[09:11] <odc> guesswhat: it's in the kernel, but I'm not sure if 5.19 is recent enough
[09:11] <guesswhat> odc got spikes 100% in google meeting
[09:11] <guesswhat> chrome with hw accel enabled
[09:12] <odc> Ouch
[09:12] <guesswhat> `lspci -k | grep -A 3 -E "(VGA|3D)"` using amdgpu module
[09:14] <guesswhat> https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Radeon-680M-Linux-Mesa
[09:14] <guesswhat> shoud be fine
[18:22] <foo> Hmm, nginx-logs throwing this: live/live.sock failed (13: Permission denied) while connecting to upstream, client ... live.sock is 777 which is what I have on another system which works. Ubuntu 22.04, new system. Perms seem ok. Python + gunicorn + nginx. Any sugggestions?
[18:22] <foo> Spent hours on this already, running out of ideas
[18:29] <adac> Hi there! it is strange my htop and iotop command on the server are loadning really really slow. What can cause that actually?
[18:30] <adac> I was checking the read/write and disk io, but all seems normal in this regard
[18:30] <adac> while the server has some decent load, it still has a lot of free resources
[18:30] <adac> How can I properly debug this?
[18:40] <effendy[m]> adac: what else is slow?
[18:41] <effendy[m]> maybe they're trying to read off a remote disk/share of some sorts also?
[18:42] <sdeziel> foo: `namei -l /path/to/live/live.sock` would help so would seeing your nginx config
[18:42] <adac> effendy[m], actually "ls" and all this normal commands, "pwd" all this is working very fast
[18:47] <adac> effendy[m], actually I run a bare metal kubernetes cluster on this server (3 servers actually). Within this cluster I do some smb mounts with this guy: https://github.com/kubernetes-csi/csi-driver-smb but other then that, and this never made any issues so far on other clusters I have, I do not read from remote disks or so
[18:49] <effendy[m]> It might be related to that though, but this is just a supposition.
[18:49] <effendy[m]> If there was any way you could disable it temporarily, it would interesting to see if it reacts in the same way.
[18:53] <adac> effendy[m], I will try and uninstall it bit later. Just have to leave now for some time. Will inform you a bit later! Thanks for the hint!
[18:53] <effendy[m]> :)
[18:55] <adac> effendy[m], inform only if you like to know if it worked of course :-)
[18:56] <effendy[m]> adac: I do, of course!
[18:56] <adac> perfect! :-)
[19:15] <foo> sdeziel: thank you. https://bpa.st/54FQ - it's all stock
[19:15] <sdeziel> foo: please use `namei -l` as it report on the ownership/perms
[19:16] <sdeziel> foo: please also paste the relevant nginx/conf.d and nginx/sites-enabled files
[19:24] <foo> sdeziel: err, sorry, I was going to say... that didn't seem too helpful. pebkac
[19:24] <foo> sdeziel: thank you! https://bpa.st/R77Q
[19:24] <foo> sdeziel: note, groups www-data returns www-data : www-data dev
[19:25] <foo> sdeziel: I'm really curious, I've done this set up many times and not sure what I'm missing.
[19:25] <sdeziel> foo: you likely need to edit nginx's systemd unit to add `SupplementaryGroups=dev` to it. `sudo systemctl edit nginx`
[19:26] <sdeziel> foo: cause I don't think that nginx will load the supplementaty groups when it switch UID/GID from root:root to www-data:www-data
[19:29] <foo> sdeziel: thanks, testing now. I think I want to uncomment out the service from sudo systemctl edit nginx and then add SupplementaryGroups=dev to it, *googles
[19:30] <sdeziel> foo: no, you just need `[Service]\nSupplementaryGroups=dev\n`
[19:31] <foo> sdeziel: ahh, thank you. It looks like the other test is: chown -R dev:www-data /home/dev/myapp
[19:40] <sdeziel> foo: hmm, I tested my SupplementalGroups= theory and it's wrong apparently, you don't need this for nginx to pick up the supplementary groups. Restarting nginx was all that was needed, no need for edits
[19:40] <foo> sdeziel: huh, thank you for testing. I appreciate your thoroughness
[20:06] <sdeziel> foo: I whipped up a quick PoC trying to mimic your setup and I don't have the permission denied problem you have :/
[20:19] <foo> sdeziel: huh.
[20:19] <foo> sdeziel: FWIW, this was a brand new Ubuntu 22.04 set up. Stock everything. I pasted the service conf, nginx conf... I can't think of what else is here that's nuanced. /home/dev is a dev user, but I doubt that matters.
[20:24] <sdeziel> foo: I setup a fresh 22.04 container, put nginx-light and created a tiny python3 service using your myapp-api.service unit...
[20:26] <foo> sdeziel: I really really really appreciate you taking the time to do that. I wonder what else I can have on here that could be causing that
[20:39] <sdeziel> foo: are you using ACLs?
[20:42] <foo> sdeziel: negative
[20:44] <sdeziel> foo: maybe try enabling debug error logging for your `location /`? `error_log /var/log/nginx/myapp.err debug;`
[20:48] <foo> Oh, not a bad idea - can give that a shot.
[21:33] <teward> sdeziel: fwiw debug logging is for the whole log for a server block not just a location
[21:33] <teward> it's also noisy as sin (that looks like nginx)
[21:34] <sdeziel> teward: https://nginx.org/en/docs/ngx_core_module.html#error_log mentions `location` as a valid context
[21:34] <sdeziel> but yeah, it's quite noisy
[21:34] <teward> sdeziel: agreed, it's VERY noisy, i'm a little behind thoug hand am still doing scrollback to figure out what exactly is going on
[21:34] <sdeziel> and no matter how I break the access to the Unix socket, the only error I can get is the permission denied...
[21:35] <sdeziel> it won't tell if it cannot connect due to not having "execute right" on something or the path...
[21:35] <teward> welcome to how C relays access perms or not
[21:35] <teward> you either 'have permission' or 'don't
[21:36] <teward> that's not nginx that's just how C works :
[21:36] <teward> C / filesystem notices
[21:36] <teward> *yawns* i need more coffee
[21:36] <teward> let me play some catchup
[21:40] <teward> foo: i would NOT have things live in your home directory
[21:41] <teward> nginx runs as www-data by default in Ubuntu.  per your namei, your socket is at /home/dev/myapp/live/live.sock.  All home directories default to 750 which PREVENTS non-owner and non-group access to the directory at the /home/dev/ level.
[21:42] <teward> www-data does not have the ability to read or traverse into /home/dev/
[21:42] <teward> you have two choices:
[21:42] <teward> (1) give 'other users' traverse/read permissions to the base directory: (UNSAFE) - sudo chmod o+rx /home/dev
[21:43] <teward> (2) place your socket somewhere else such as `/var/run` or `/run` or in `/tmp` with proper 666 permissions (read/write).
[21:43] <teward> third choice: ACLs
[21:44] <teward> (3) explicitly give ACL permissions to the www-data user for your home directory (also still unsafe): sudo apt install acl && sudo setfacl -m u:www-data:rx /home/dev/
[21:44] <teward> (you still have to install ACL to make that work)
[21:45] <teward> i don't think the issue lies in your *python* app but instead actually your intermediate directories between / and the actual full location of your socket.
[21:45] <teward> sdeziel: ^^
[21:45] <teward> debugging logs won't help it'll just say permission denied
[21:46] <teward> but such things should be taking after programs / applications that *make* sockets readable/writable by other people/users (a-la PHP, etc.) rather than run everything in home directory
[22:22] <sdeziel> teward: that's the thing, `www-data` is a member of the `dev` group
[22:22] <sdeziel> teward: and yeah, I am pretty sure the problem isn't the Python app
[22:25] <sdeziel> foo: I agree with teward's suggestion of putting the socket under `/run`. You can even tell systemd to create `/run/myapp-api` (`RuntimeDirectory=`) to contain the socket file
[22:31] <sdeziel> foo: strace'ing the nginx child handling the request (the one getting a perm denied) might be useful
[22:31] <sdeziel> probably more useful than that debug log
[22:36] <teward> sdeziel: i would not trust www-data being a member of the grou pas far as i can throw it
[22:36] <teward> whether the system says so or not
[22:36] <teward> it's the *least* reliable mechanism to validate access
[22:36] <teward> (runtimedirectory=... is the better approach by *far*)


[00:20] <stevenw> hello all
[02:38] <qwerty121> hello. How can i change the background image? My right-click isn't working... :(
[02:38] <Genelyk> uhmm
[02:39] <Genelyk> aplicationes-configuration-configuration-desktop
[02:39] <Genelyk> top left
[02:39] <qwerty121> Genelyk: there's no configuration in applications
[02:39] <Genelyk> uhmm
[02:40] <qwerty121> Genelyk: i got it
[02:40] <qwerty121> thanks
[03:25] <BiNaRyCoDe> Ubuntu Failed to start the X Server, could someone help me find a solution?
[03:26] <Genelyk> what message error show¿
[03:28] <BiNaRyCoDe> hld on
[03:28] <BiNaRyCoDe> sorryu
[03:29] <BiNaRyCoDe> Error: "/etc/gdm/failsafeXserver: line 47 [: too many arguments Warning: Could not retrieve Edid because get - edid is not installed(1)"
[03:31] <BiNaRyCoDe> Genelyk: Still there?
[03:31] <Genelyk> uhmm
[03:31] <BiNaRyCoDe> So did you see my error message above?
[03:31] <Genelyk> paste  ,  message
[03:32] <Genelyk>  http://paste.ubuntu.com    there  error
[03:32] <BiNaRyCoDe> ok....but what will that do?
[03:35] <BiNaRyCoDe> Genelyk: umm...I did what ya said....now what???
[03:35] <Genelyk> one moment
[03:35] <BiNaRyCoDe> k
[03:35] <Genelyk> u.u mi ingles es pobre
[03:36] <BiNaRyCoDe> what? I dont speak spanish, sorry
[03:37] <ozkugh> que esta mucho lolololololollolo
[03:37] <Genelyk> u.u
[03:37] <Genelyk> write  your  xorg.conf
[03:37] <ozkugh> yo quero mucho coca por favor
[03:37] <ozkugh> lololol
[03:38] <BiNaRyCoDe> Genelyk: I gotta go but thanks for the help
[03:38] <Genelyk> q dijo u.u
[03:39] <Genelyk> coca?
[03:40] <ozkugh> si
[03:40] <ozkugh> coca
[03:41] <ozkugh> http://i33.tinypic.com/sgsq3l.jpg
[03:41] <ozkugh> mucha coca
[03:45] <Genelyk> esta esm i pc
[03:45] <Genelyk> http://genelyk.googlepages.com/feiooo.jpg
[03:46] <ozkugh> queres coca
[03:47] <Genelyk> naa
[03:49] <ozkugh> lol
[03:51] <ozkugh> queres vicodin por favor
[04:17] <ozkugh> hola
[12:04] <Rakeer> How can I set Xubuntu to completely restore my session when I reboot?
[12:12] <TheSheep> Rakeer: not everything can be saved in a session
[13:06] <Andy_1984> hi
[13:07] <Andy_1984> need a few questions answering if possible before i venture into ubuntu world
[13:07] <tuna> fire away
[13:07] <Andy_1984> cool
[13:07] <Andy_1984> well i use xp atm and i use a kernelmode driver as a plugin for gaming
[13:07] <Andy_1984> wonder if this will work on ubuntu
[13:08] <Andy_1984> .sys driver - xp kernel
[13:08] <tuna> huh?
[13:09] <tuna> the xp and inux kernel, and drivers for them, are completely uncompatible
[13:09] <tuna> *linuc
[13:09] <tuna> *linux
[13:09] <Andy_1984> is there any way to porn it over
[13:09] <tuna> damn, can't type today
[13:09] <tuna> lol
[13:09] <Andy_1984> port
[13:09] <Andy_1984> lol
[13:09] <tuna> ... at least I'm not the only one
[13:10] <tuna> a complete rewrite
[13:10] <tuna> but what exactly do you need it for?
[13:10] <Andy_1984> steam, game
[13:10] <Andy_1984> its essential
[13:10] <tuna> steam runs fine on wine
[13:10] <Andy_1984> yes but my driver wont
[13:10] <tuna> what device is it for?
[13:10] <Andy_1984> its a cheat :( ring0 (kernelmode) cheat
[13:11] <Andy_1984> dont hate me
[13:11] <tuna> lol
[13:11] <tuna> a complete rewrite
[13:11] <Andy_1984> i thought as much
[13:11] <Andy_1984> same with vista aswell
[13:12] <Andy_1984> stuck on xp because i cant disable patch guardf
[13:13] <tuna> the NT kernel (what xp uses) and Linux share no common ancestry. That means, even the formats differ, and the API's are not even near each other. First you'd have to shoehorn it into a linux module to be able to load it in kernel mode, and then, since the data structures very likely have nothing whatsoever in common, all it would do is rewrite parts of kernel memory with trash and crash the machine.
[13:14] <tuna> so, no go.
[13:14] <Andy_1984> ok
[13:14] <Andy_1984> you seem quite upto speed on this subject
[13:14] <tuna> Done some kernel coding in the past.
[13:14] <Andy_1984> one last question
[13:14] <tuna> ya?
[13:16] <Andy_1984> the driver is pretty much perfect in every way, made by organner not myself but it bsods a lot, i know microsoft crash report can determine the problem, any other way?
[13:17] <tuna> I dunno. Never hacked around in windows kernel code much.
[13:17] <tuna> It's dangerous... if you work too close to microsoft stuff and then write something in same domain, they can claim they own it.
[13:18] <Andy_1984> all i know about this driver is it does not go through ssdt or whatever
[13:18] <Andy_1984> no memory modfiication, no code injection
[13:20] <tuna> I dunno.
[13:20] <Andy_1984> ok cheers anyway cya
[14:10] <indent> hi..
[14:10] <indent> can somebody help me to recover my windows?
[14:10] <indent> i cannot boot into windows after i install ubuntu
[14:11] <indent> please somebody help me
[14:11] <wols_> is windows showuing up in your grub menu?
[14:11] <indent> nope
[14:11] <indent> but my windows is still inside the drive
[14:11] <wols_> sudo fdisk -l
[14:12] <indent> this is my fdisk -l
[14:12] <indent> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41809/
[14:12] <indent> and this is my menu.lst
[14:12] <indent> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41860/
[14:13] <wols_> wtf did you do?
[14:13] <wols_> why that many partitions?
[14:14] <wols_> and this is not a ubuntu generated menu.lst
[14:14] <wols_> what did you do with the original menu.lst?
[14:14] <indent> i make my own part for /var /usr /bla..bla..
[14:14] <indent> this is my original menu.lst
[14:14] <indent> i just show up the last line
[14:14] <wols_> no it's not. lots is missing
[14:16] <indent> ok..i'll give u the exact file
[14:16] <indent> hold on
[14:17] <indent> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41864/
[14:17] <indent> there it is
[14:22] <indent> how was that?
[14:24] <indent> somebody please help
[14:25] <vidd> indent, what is your issue?
[14:25] <indent> i cant boot into windows after i install ubuntu
[14:26] <vidd> how did you install ubuntu?
[14:26] <indent> i use same drive to run windows and ubuntu
[14:26] <indent> using manual configure to create partition for ubuntu
[14:27] <vidd> you machine had windows on it...you took the ubuntu disk....what did you do next?
[14:27] <indent> yeah
[14:27] <vidd> ok....
[14:27] <indent> already got windows in it b4 i install ubuntu
[14:27] <vidd> one hard drive or 2?
[14:27] <indent> i just install ubuntu as usual..
[14:28] <indent> i create one by one partition for /var /usr /tmp /bla..bla..
[14:28] <vidd> hold up...
[14:28] <indent> ok
[14:28] <vidd> i want to know if you had two (or more) partitions when you installed windows
[14:29] <indent> yup
[14:29] <indent> i got 2 part
[14:29] <vidd> ok....
[14:29] <indent> 1st for windows
[14:29] <indent> 2nd for ubuntu
[14:29] <vidd> are they seperate hard drives or multiple partitions on one hard drive?
[14:30] <indent> one hdd
[14:31] <vidd> ok... when you went itno the partitioner in ubuntu install....how many partitions showed up BEFORE you provisioned them?
[14:31] <indent> here is my fdisk -l
[14:31] <indent> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41809/
[14:32] <indent> and ..this is my menu.lst
[14:32] <indent> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41864/
[14:33] <vidd> that is rather amusing....
[14:34] <vidd> ive seen windows pretend it was the only OS installed...but never a linux distro!
[14:34] <vidd> i dont have a dual boot machine
[14:35] <vidd> so i cant look at the menu.lst on it to see what the proper verbage is....
[14:36] <vidd> but you need to add a record that points to the boot.ini for the windows section
[14:36] <indent> how can i do that?
[14:36] <vidd> edit your menu.lst to add the record
[14:36] <indent> how?
[14:37] <indent> what should i do to edit it?
[14:37] <vidd> open it with root access and type the correct info and save
[14:39] <vidd> you can also try sudo update-grub
[14:41] <vidd> do you see in the lines 37 - 43 in the menu.lst you pastebin'd?
[14:41] <wols_> update-grub won't help
[14:41] <indent> yeah
[14:42] <vidd> that is the data you need to add
[14:42] <vidd> line 40 needs (hd0,0) changed to the right partitions
[14:43] <vidd> add it to about 146 ... and make sure the #'s are not there when you add it
[14:44] <vidd> if im reading it correctly....it should be hd0,6
[14:45] <indent> just change line 40..or need to add new line?
[14:45] <vidd> add new lines
[14:45] <vidd> copy lines 37-43 to line 146....
[14:45] <vidd> uncomment them....
[14:46] <vidd> on the new lines, change 0,0 to 0,6
[14:46] <vidd> reboot, cross fingers and pray
[14:47] <indent> ok..i'm working on it now
[14:47] <vidd> if it dont work correctly, you will need to boot into a live cd and modify those lines
[14:47] <vidd> until it works correctly...or comment them out to get the same thing you have now
[14:48] <indent> ok..
[14:48] <indent> i'll try
[14:48] <vidd> i have never done this myself....but it should work
[14:48] <vidd> someone correct me if i missed something!
[14:48] <indent> thanks a lot for ur help
[14:49] <vidd> just understand that my advise comes with no warrenty!
[15:06] <vidd> i cant seam to get mount a network share drive correctly
[15:33] <vidd> wols_, did you see anything wrong with the info i gave indent?
[15:33] <wols_> he messaged me unasked, he's on my autoignore
[15:33] <vidd> oh
[15:35] <vidd> im wondering if him not coming back is a good thing or a bad thing
[15:35] <vidd> i hate to give out bad advise
[15:35] <wols_> he's in ubuntu and asks the same question again
[16:36] <sponix> Looking for advice on webcams, anyone know of one under $40 that "just works" without any fiddling around ?
[16:37] <vidd> sponix, from my experience...they all "Just work"
[16:38] <sponix> vidd:  Really? What are a few of the ones you have used that "just work" ?
[16:38] <vidd> however...they dont integrate with any apps
[16:38] <vidd> there is that microsoft webcam that comes in a two pack....
[16:39] <vidd> i dont know what the actual names are....
[16:39] <vidd> i just plug the usb in, and open cheese....and there is the inmage
[16:40] <vidd> my suggestion is borrow a freind's webcam
[16:40] <vidd> plug the usb into your computer and try it out
[16:40]  * vidd dont use webcams
[16:45] <march> sponix: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hardwaredatenbank/Peripherie#Webkameras / http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntuusers.de%2FHardwaredatenbank%2FPeripherie%23Webkameras&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en
[16:51] <march> I'm using Logitech QuickCam Messenger - works fine. Costs about 20 €
[16:51] <vidd> march, do you have it integrated with any apps....such as intant messanger?
[16:52] <sponix> march:  just plug it in and go? Looking for something that works with Skype on Linux 2.6.24+ (Ubuntu Hardy)
[16:53] <march> I plugged it in and it worked. The only IM I'm using is Pidgin.
[16:53] <march> Camorama is the software I'm using.
[16:55] <march> But as vidd said - ask a buddy for a cam :)
[16:58] <whileimhere> Hi Is there a way to modify how close the desktop icons can go to the edge of the screen?
[16:59] <vidd> whileimhere, yes there is....but i dont recall exactly how
[16:59] <whileimhere> I never found it
[17:02] <vidd> im looking
[17:03] <whileimhere> Thanks
[17:04] <march> sponix: my webcam is supported by Skype - just downloaded the Software and tested it
[17:06] <vidd> whileimhere, try modifying ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/desktop.xml
[17:06] <vidd> whileimhere, make a backup!
[17:07] <march> The integrated mic is also working.
[17:07] <vidd> whileimhere, brb
[17:13] <sponix> Logitech QuickCam Messenger aye ? Did it take right off, or did you have to build a driver ?
[17:14] <march> It worked out of box - lsusb: 046d:08da
[17:14] <sponix> march:  And do you mind getting me the full model number, part number, or whatever is provided on the box and device itself. I just want to know an _exact_ known working model before I purchase
[17:14] <sponix> march:  That is great
[17:15] <sponix> Have to have something like that, so the wife can just jack it in and fire over the Application when I'm over seas
[17:15] <march> But I don't know if there exist diferent models in other countries...
[17:15] <whileimhere> vidd thanks
[17:18] <march> The only thing is that you must boot without the cam. Otherwise Xubuntu finds another soundcard. In this case i edited a fil - but I don't know which one ;)
[17:19] <whileimhere> hmm where is the notification add on for the panel I dont seem to see it anywhere
[17:20] <whileimhere> oh found it
[17:20] <whileimhere> its called system try
[17:20] <march> It was /etc/modprobe.d/snd-usb-audio
[17:20] <vidd> whileimhere, did editing that file fix you up?
[17:20] <whileimhere> I have not tried it
[17:21] <whileimhere> I wrote it down to try in a bit
[17:27] <JinKazama> hi all
[17:28] <march> hi
[17:31] <ozkugh> hi
[17:31] <march> hi
[17:32] <ozkugh> is there a vay to remap the right mouse button to be the middle mouse/scroll button and vice versa?
[17:32] <ozkugh> way *
[17:33] <whileimhere> Okay last question for today I think. Is there a way to make the panel transparent but not the icons in it?
[17:33] <whileimhere> I know that GNOME can do this but can XFCE?
[17:33] <vidd> if gnome can do it, xfce can do it
[17:34] <vidd> and if all else fails, replace xfce panels with gnome panels =]
[17:34] <whileimhere> wont that just make XFCE heavy and the point of XFCE is to stay light?
[17:36] <vidd> if you cannot get the funtionality you want with the lightweight app, add the bloat (cuzz its only bloat if you dont use the "extra" features)
[17:36] <whileimhere> LOL okay
[17:36] <whileimhere> thanks
[18:32] <Tibbelit> Hi I got a question
[18:32] <Tibbelit> If a driver isn't installed... How do I install it?
[18:32] <vidd> Tibbelit, i have answers
[18:33] <vidd> Tibbelit, what driver you talking about?
[18:34] <Tibbelit> Casue my screen only shows 800x600 px (laptop) so there's black all around... IT should be 1024x 768 (or what it si:P)
[18:34] <Tibbelit> And my wireless networkcard ain't working (connected through USB)
[18:55] <Tibbelit> Anyone who can help me:)?
[18:55] <vidd> Tibbelit, sorry...im at work and had to take a call
[18:55] <Tibbelit> no problems at all!
[18:56] <vidd> for the display, do you have 1024x768 as an option?
[18:57] <vidd> also, what does lsusb say about your wifi card
[18:57] <Tibbelit> no, no option higher than 800x600
[18:58] <Tibbelit> shall check'
[18:59] <vidd> so "default" "800x600" and some ridiculous other setting?
[18:59] <vidd> or just "default"?
[18:59] <Tibbelit> I'm sorry what's lsusb? First time I use linux
[18:59] <vidd> open terminal and type lsusb
[19:00] <Tibbelit> There's default and several other options, 800.600, and lower options
[19:00] <vidd> so you ARE at 1024x768
[19:01] <vidd> you simply need to set your bios to stretch your screen
[19:01] <Tibbelit> no, I'm at 800x600
[19:01] <vidd> then set it to "default"
[19:02] <Tibbelit> ok
[19:02] <vidd> did that get you what you need?
[19:02] <Tibbelit> Default is the same as the option "800x600", shall reboot later and check bios...
[19:03] <Tibbelit> okej
[19:03] <Tibbelit> terminal:
[19:03] <Tibbelit> Bus 001 Device002: 0cf3:0002 Atheros Communications, Inc.
[19:07] <vidd> Tibbelit, all im finding for that device is "use ndiswrapper"
[19:07] <vidd> http://ge.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=738871
[19:08] <Tibbelit> okej, thanks, gonna read it:)
[19:21] <ozkugh> morning everyone
[19:30] <march> Good evening :)
[19:32] <Rakeer> good afternoon :D
[19:36] <Tibbelit2> tried to follow the forum, "Coulden't find the package ndiswrapper-common"
[19:36] <march> *g*
[19:36] <Tibbelit2> does it mean I have to download it?
[19:37] <march> Use Synaptic
[19:37] <Tibbelit2> I'm a big beginner:), can you explain more?
[19:38] <march> I'll try - my menue isn't in english ;)
[19:38] <Tibbelit2> mean either;)
[19:38] <march> Applications -> System -> Synaptic
[19:38] <Tibbelit2> Swedish here;)
[19:38] <march> German here ;)
[19:38] <Rakeer> Tibbelit2: did you remeber to 'sudo apt-get update' first?
[19:39] <Tibbelit2> Rakeer, no?, do I need to connect to internet then?
[19:40] <Rakeer> well, it updates the packages in synaptic to be a current list
[19:40] <march> http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntuusers.de%2FWLAN%2FNdisWrapper&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=sv - maybe it helps Tibbelit2
[19:41] <Tibbelit2> thanks:)
[19:41] <march> I'll shutdown - it's time for supper :)
[19:42] <march> C U :)
[19:59] <Roger> hello
[19:59] <Roger> I'm having a problem with my pcmcia card
[20:00] <Roger> it's a network everywhre 10 base t card
[20:00] <Roger> It's not found by lspci
[20:00] <vidd> Roger, try lspcmcia
[20:01] <Roger> ok
[20:01] <Roger> but fyi
[20:01] <Roger> pccardctl ident
[20:01] <Roger> returns this:
[20:02] <Roger> Socket 0:
[20:02] <Roger> no product info available
[20:02] <Roger> Socket 1:
[20:02] <Roger> product info: "Network Everywhere","Ethernet 10BaseT PC Card", "2.0", " "
[20:02] <Roger> manfid: 0x0149, 0xclab
[20:02] <Roger> function: 5 (network)
[20:02] <vidd> ok...so the card is there
[20:02] <vidd> what is (or isnt) happening?
[20:03] <Roger> ok
[20:03] <Roger> it retuens:
[20:03] <Roger> Socket 0 Bridge: Yenta card_bus
[20:04] <Roger> socket 1 Bridge: same
[20:04] <vidd> socket 0 is empty
[20:04] <Roger> Socket 1 divice 0: o driver
[20:04] <Roger> *no driver
[20:05] <Roger> would socket 1 divice 0 be my network card?
[20:05] <vidd> should be
[20:05] <Roger> ok
[20:05] <Roger> on the website of this card
[20:06] <Roger> it has a driver download that includes a text file for linux users
[20:06] <Roger> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=81592&d=1218751314
[20:06] <vidd> does ifconfig show anything for this card (most likely eth0
[20:06] <Roger> there's no eth0 or any other number
[20:07] <vidd> is this a LAN card or wi-fi?
[20:07] <Roger> LAN caed
[20:08] <Roger> *card
[20:08] <wols_> Roger: what card exactly? lspci -nn
[20:08] <wols_> Roger: use lspcmcia  then
[20:09] <wols_> and to check for a ethX interface: ifconfig -a
[20:09] <Roger> i already did lspcmcia
[20:09] <Roger> it returned no drivers for divice 0 in socket 1
[20:09] <Roger> the card is:
[20:10] <Roger> "Network Everywhere","Ethernet 10BaseT PC Card", "2.0"
[20:10] <Roger> according to pccardctl ident
[20:11] <Roger> ifconfig -a gives nothing about the card
[20:12] <Roger> hi
[20:12] <Roger> sorry, i dropped for a second
[20:12] <Roger> anyone type anything while i was gone?\
[20:13] <Roger> hello?
[20:16] <vidd> Roger, no they didnt
[20:16] <vidd> and please dont ping the room
[20:16] <Roger> ok
[20:16] <Roger> sorry
[20:28] <Roger> so, does anyone have  any ideas about my pcmcia card?
[20:29] <vidd> i dont....never seen lan cand not work
[20:30] <Roger> ok, well thanks anyway
[20:30] <Roger> btw, i'm sure it's not just the card being broken, because it stopped working on switching from windows 2000 to linux
[20:35] <Roger> anyone else here willing to give it a shot?
[20:35] <vidd> was it in the slot when you installed?
[20:36] <Roger> idk how the slots are numbered
[20:36] <Roger> it's in the top one, of 2
[20:36] <vidd> so then .... yes...it was in the slot when you installed
[20:37] <vidd> or ....no....i plugged it in after i installed
[20:37] <Roger> it was in when i installed
[20:38] <vidd> gee Roger are you palmtree3000?
[20:38] <Roger> yes
[20:39] <Roger> ubuntu forums post?
[20:39] <vidd> yeah
[20:39] <vidd> first place i go
[20:40] <Roger> the thread died, apparently
[21:17] <deakillo> hi
[21:20] <vidd> deakillo, you looking for help?
[21:27] <deakillo> vidd: yes
[21:27] <deakillo> sorry i was not here
[21:27] <deakillo> im back
[21:27] <vidd> what do you need
[21:28] <deakillo> im 'designing' my xfce windows environment.. i already change the user interface
[21:28] <deakillo> window manager and fonts
[21:29] <deakillo> but i dont found the way to change the gray color of my panels
[21:29] <deakillo> any idea?
[21:30] <vidd> deakillo, that is outside my expertise
[21:30] <deakillo> ok
[21:30] <deakillo> thank you anyway
[21:31] <favro> deakillo: I do that with a .gtkrc-mine file in /home/me
[21:32] <deakillo> .gtkrc-mine?
[21:32] <deakillo> ahh ok k
[21:32] <deakillo> you create that folder
[21:32] <favro> deakillo: in your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file the last line should be "include ~/.gtkrc-mine" yes?
[21:33] <deakillo> favro: i cant found that file
[21:33] <deakillo> .gtkrc-2.0?
[21:33] <deakillo> cant see it
[21:34] <favro> deakillo: in thunar - view-show hidden files  will let you see it
[21:34] <deakillo> yeah
[21:34] <deakillo> im looking in hidden files
[21:34] <deakillo> i cannot see it
[21:35] <favro> it's a file in your home folder after all the folders
[21:36] <favro> deakillo: try in a terminal   ls -a | grep gtk
[21:36] <deakillo> the closest is
[21:36] <deakillo> gtk-bookmarks
[21:37] <deakillo> when i try that comment
[21:37] <deakillo> .gtk-bookmarks
[21:37] <deakillo> appears
[21:37] <favro> hmmm
[21:38] <deakillo> that command*
[21:39] <favro> deakillo: well I would make a file named .gtkrc-2.0  and add the line   include ~/.gtkrc-mine  to it then make the .gtkrc-mine file
[21:41] <deakillo> i see
[21:41] <deakillo> well create files is not the same as creating folders?
[21:41] <deakillo> or tis the same process
[21:42] <favro> deakillo: I right click in my home folder and select create doc - mt file
[21:43] <deakillo> ok i create it
[21:43] <deakillo> then i add a line
[21:43] <deakillo> .gtkrc-mine
[21:43] <deakillo> like this?
[21:44] <favro> deakillo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/41982/ - I just change the background color bg[NORMAL]
[21:44] <favro> deakillo: don't forget the   "include ~/gtkrc-mine"
[21:46] <deakillo> ok i did that
[21:46] <deakillo> then i need to create another file?
[21:46] <deakillo> .gtkrc-mine?
[21:48] <deakillo> ok i did that
[21:48] <deakillo> now in .gtkrc-mine i copy paste the pastebin you send to me?
[21:49] <favro> deakillo: yep
[21:49] <favro> and change the background to a color you prefer
[21:50] <favro> deakillo: then in terminal  killall xfce4-panel   and   xfce4-panel &    to see how it looks
[21:52] <deakillo> didnt work:(
[21:53] <deakillo> wow
[21:53] <deakillo> and now i cant get my panel
[21:53] <deakillo> when i close my terminal
[21:53] <deakillo> my panel disappear
[21:54] <favro> deakillo: type   exit   in terminal then hit enter to keep panel up - what is the line you have in .gtkrc-2.0 please copy and paste
[21:55] <deakillo> i cant even go to terminal agian
[21:55] <deakillo> how would i?
[21:55] <deakillo> there is no panel
[21:55] <favro> deakillo: alt+F2 and type xfce4-panel
[21:57] <deakillo> the line in .gtkrc-2.0 is simple
[21:57] <deakillo> .gtkrc-mine
[21:57] <deakillo> as you told me
[21:57] <deakillo> then i create another .gtkrc-mine file and is where i copy paste does lines
[21:57] <deakillo> i just change background to (black) just as a try
[21:58] <favro> deakillo: I told you different line than that
[21:58] <deakillo> sorry yeah
[21:58] <deakillo> what i have its
[21:58] <deakillo> include ~/gtkrc-mine
[21:58] <deakillo> then i create the .gtkrc-mine file
[21:59] <deakillo> and is where i copy paste does lines you send me
[21:59] <favro> missed the dot in front of gtk...
[21:59] <favro>  include ~/.gtkrc-mine
[21:59] <deakillo> ahh
[22:00] <favro> :)
[22:01] <deakillo> btw there are to bg options
[22:01] <deakillo> bg[NORMAL] = "#22478e"
[22:01] <deakillo> #bg[NORMAL] = "#252525"
[22:01] <deakillo> i change both?
[22:01] <deakillo> or just the first one?
[22:01] <favro> deakillo: lines that start with # aren't read - so just change the one without it
[22:02] <favro> deakillo: I alternate between a couple of themes so have two lines there to make it easier to change
[22:03] <deakillo> hey
[22:03] <deakillo> didnt work again
[22:03] <deakillo> :(
[22:04] <favro> deakillo: can you paste what   ls -a | grep gtk   says please
[22:05] <deakillo> yeah until i get my panel again
[22:05] <deakillo> its a real pain to make alt-f2 works
[22:05] <deakillo> i need to repeat it a lot of times
[22:05] <deakillo> cause im using vmware
[22:05] <deakillo> and alt-f2 is a function for osx:S
[22:06] <deakillo> its really a pain
[22:06] <favro> deakillo: use exit and enter so you don't lose the panels...
[22:06] <favro> or leave the terminal running until the o\panel is setup then
[22:06] <favro> *panel
[22:07] <deakillo> ahh icant get
[22:07] <deakillo> alt f2 to work again
[22:07] <deakillo> it was luck before
[22:08] <favro> deakillo: if alt+F2 doesn't work you'll have to ctrl+alt+bkspace to logout and in
[22:08] <deakillo> ok
[22:09] <favro> :)
[22:09] <favro> :(
[22:12] <deakillo> back
[22:12] <favro> :)
[22:12] <deakillo> whats was the command?
[22:13] <favro> to restart the panel? - or ls -a | grep gtk
[22:13] <deakillo> you told me to
[22:13] <deakillo> give me the output of something
[22:14] <deakillo> what was that
[22:14] <favro> ls -a | grep gtk
[22:15] <favro> that means list the files in this dir that have gtk in thier names
[22:15] <favro> even the hidden ones
[22:15] <favro> *their
[22:15] <deakillo> .gtk-bookmarks
[22:15] <deakillo> .gtkrc-2.0
[22:15] <deakillo> .gtkrc-mine
[22:16] <deakillo> does are the only ones
[22:17] <favro> they're the ones we need - I wanted to check the spelling of the filenames
[22:18] <deakillo> ok
[22:19] <Ben_Cs> guys, i'm shocked: debian+xfce takes only ~80MB of RAM, while xubuntu takes ~350MB. what a difference!
[22:20] <deakillo> im trying something diffrent
[22:20] <deakillo> different
[22:20] <deakillo> what was the command?
[22:20] <deakillo> killall xfce-panel?
[22:20] <deakillo> and then.. xfce4-panel &
[22:20] <deakillo> ?
[22:21] <deakillo> yeah it was
[22:21] <deakillo> and didnt work again
[22:21] <deakillo> ahhh
[22:22] <favro> Ben_Cs: it uses only 76mb here to paint the desktop
[22:23] <favro> deakillo: any luck?
[22:23] <deakillo> noup
[22:23] <Ben_Cs> favro: meaning?
[22:23] <favro> Ben_Cs: I think somethings up with your setup
[22:24] <favro> deakillo: can you paste what   ls -a | grep gtk   says please
[22:24] <vidd> Ben_Cs, i have xubuntu running on a system with only 128 ram
[22:24] <Ben_Cs> favro: the default setup of xubuntu. did you disable all autostarted apps in xubuntu?
[22:24] <deakillo> i told you favro
[22:24] <deakillo>  .gtk-bookmarks
[22:24] <deakillo>  .gtkrc-2.0
[22:24] <deakillo>  .gtkrc-mine
[22:24] <deakillo> this
[22:25] <vidd> and i made no customization
[22:25] <favro> deakillo: ok - what I showed you works everywhere - check spelling please
[22:25] <favro> Ben_Cs: no - try   top  in terminal - > will show mem users
[22:27] <favro> deakillo: I was hoping you would paste that output - not type it...
[22:27] <deakillo> it was copy paste
[22:27] <favro> k
[22:28] <Ben_Cs> favro: nevermind how much Xorg takes. what's important is ammount of mem the whole system is using
[22:28] <deakillo> favro can you send the pastebin agian please
[22:28] <deakillo> i want to check it again
[22:29] <favro>  deakillo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/41982/
[22:29] <favro> ben
[22:30] <favro> Ben_Cs: by "paint the desktop" I meant mem usage after login
[22:30] <deakillo> are you sure i just need to type a color?
[22:30] <deakillo> maybe has to be with the numbers?
[22:31] <deakillo> i will change it and restart instead of killall
[22:31] <deakillo> just to be 100% sure
[22:31] <favro> deakillo: should be like this after the =   "#22478e"
[22:31] <deakillo> yeah
[22:31] <favro> k
[22:31] <deakillo> does numbers are the ones i have
[22:31] <Ben_Cs> favro: ok
[22:32] <Ben_Cs> didn't check on login
[22:32] <Ben_Cs> anyways i'm off. bye
[22:33] <Ben_Cs> and thanks
[22:33] <favro> Ben_Cs: how much are you running in the b/ground? - lamp etc?
[22:33] <favro> well...
[22:34] <deakillo> noup didnt work
[22:34] <deakillo> you dont know of any alternative?
[22:35] <favro> deakillo: in your .gtkrc-2.0 file change it to  include /home/"your login name"/.gtkrc-mine
[22:38] <deakillo> hey guess what
[22:38] <deakillo> xfce-dusk
[22:38] <deakillo> change my panel
[22:38] <deakillo> and i like it looks cool lol
[22:38] <deakillo> i think this works
[22:38] <favro> :)
[22:39] <deakillo> i found a very cool
[22:39] <deakillo> matrix fonts
[22:40] <deakillo> i make the font just a little bit biggers
[22:40] <deakillo> looks awsome lol
[22:46] <deakillo> favro: the use hinting option is just for low resolution monitors?
[22:46] <deakillo> cause when i take it off.. everything look a bit better
[22:46] <favro> I've never played with it - sorry
[22:47] <deakillo> ok
[22:47] <deakillo> thx
[23:24] <Pstevens> newbie seeking advice, please: I'm running Xubuntu Dapper Drake on a rather old machine
[23:25] <Pstevens> I need support for a specific Wireless adapter which I know to be supported under Hardy Heron
[23:25] <Pstevens> If I upgrade to Hardy, will I need a higher spec machine?
[23:26] <Pstevens> That's a stupid question ... I don't mean, higher spec than I have (as I haven't told you the spec)
[23:26] <Pstevens> I mean, in general, do the later versions of Xubuntu require bigger, faster hardware than the earlier versions?
[23:44] <Chaser_> I do not understand support for specific wireless adapter has nothing to do with x G or K desktop. You can Update to Hardy with Xubuntu Desktop and Xubuntu strives to be thin (isnt its main goal) so I believe you do not need a higher spec machine
[23:44] <Chaser_> I do not understand support for specific wireless adapter has nothing to do with x G or K desktop. You can Update to Hardy with Xubuntu Desktop and Xubuntu strives to be thin (isnt its main goal) so I believe you do not need a higher spec machine
[23:44] <Chaser_> Ignore my first message
[23:45] <Pstevens> Chaser, thanks.  Yes I get the point about not depending on the desktop.
[23:45] <Pstevens> That's why I was hoping that Xubuntu + Hardy Heron would give me the advantages of Hardy Heron (supports my new wireless thingy by default)
[23:45] <Pstevens> *and* the advantages of Xubuntu (lean, runs on modest spec machine)
[23:49] <Pstevens> The machine is 450 Mhz Pentium III + 240 MB (? according to lshw) of RAM.
[23:50] <Pstevens> anyway, I appreciate your reply.


[00:04] <maxb> Ugh, it looks like the root of the problem is that GNOME have decided to make the configuration I was accustomed to impossible
[00:05] <maxb> For no good reason, given it looks like libinput could support it just fine
[00:10] <jbicha> why do you want to set "default"? I am the GNOME Tweaks maintainer and I intentionally did not make that confusing option available
[00:10] <jbicha> there are only 3 real choices: Fingers, Area and disabled
[00:11] <jbicha> "default" is either Fingers or Area depending on what your hardware is
[00:12] <jbicha> I assume that most people will not read the release notes :) but I do what I can. I also blogged about this change and I'm sure many others will post about it on the internet
[00:13] <jbicha> https://jeremy.bicha.net/2018/02/12/gnome-tweaks-3-28-progress-report-2/
[00:15] <maxb> I wanted to set "default" because it *sounded* like "get out of my way and allow my settings in xorg.conf to remain"
[00:15] <maxb> But it turns out that's not what it does
[00:16] <maxb> Basically my problem is that I'm used to having both fingers and areas enabled, and now have no good way to do that
[00:17] <maxb> Now that I understand what "default" is doing, I agree it's pretty useless.
[00:17] <maxb> I am sad that no-one thought to retain the 'do nothing' option
[00:18] <maxb> Back when it was gnome-settings-daemon, you could just disable that gsd plugin if you didn't like what it was doing
[00:22] <jbicha> you can still disable /etc/xdg/autostart/org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.MediaKeys.desktop but no one will support that configuration :)
[00:23] <maxb> Am I missing something? How are media keys related?
[00:23] <jbicha> ok, whatever plugin it is
[00:25] <maxb> Mouse, I guess
[00:26] <maxb> That would be cleaner than using vim on the compiled libmutter to XXXX out the xinput property names :-)
[00:37] <maxb> I don't see how that would be any help, though, given as far as I can see all the relevant code has moved out of g-s-d into mutter
[01:38] <ximion> jbicha: Laney: appstream(-generator) FFEs are filed, let's see how that goes...
[01:38] <ximion> if both are updated, that gnome-terminal metainfo license change patch could also be dropped, I just realized ^^
[01:39] <ximion> but I really don't know if that will happen, this is a really late FFe request
[02:46] <duflu> jbicha, do you know if we're aiming to get mutter 3.28.1 and friends in bionic?
[02:47] <jbicha> if mutter and friends has its 3.28.1 release this week like they're supposed to, it should be no problem getting them in 18.04 before release
[02:48] <jbicha> GNOME bumped their releases a bit earlier last year to make things easier for us :)
[02:49] <jbicha> I'm looking forward to getting my screenshots the right color again
[02:49] <duflu> jbicha, oh that's fixed? Cool
[02:49] <duflu> I might have a bug report for that... jbicha do you have a link?
[02:50] <jbicha> I didn't test it, but… https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/commit/2f260edf
[02:51] <jbicha> it's kind of funny to me that that happened 2 release cycles in a row
[02:56] <duflu> Huh. I can't find the bug report
[02:56] <duflu> Doesn't matter
[06:20] <didrocks> good morning
[06:23] <jibel> good morning didrocks
[06:24] <didrocks> hey jibel
[06:24] <duflu> Woo, libinput 1.10.4
[06:25] <duflu> Morning didrocks and jibel
[06:25] <didrocks> afternoon duflu
[06:32] <tsimonq2> o/
[06:32] <didrocks> hey tsimonq2
[06:32] <tsimonq2> Hey didrocks
[06:33]  * tsimonq2 drops https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-April/004387.html here
[06:43] <duflu> Morning seb128
[06:44] <duflu> and tsimonq2
[06:44] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:44] <seb128> hey duflu
[06:47]  * tsimonq2 waves to duflu and seb128
[06:48]  * tsimonq2 also does one last point to the link above and wanders off to bed...
[07:17] <seb128> night tsimonq2
[07:55] <willcooke> morning
[07:56] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:02] <Laney> HEY
[08:06] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney, how is rainy u.k today?
[08:06] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[08:06] <willcooke> Standard
[08:07] <willcooke> Wait
[08:07] <willcooke> hold on
[08:07] <willcooke> it's not actually raining at the moment
[08:07] <didrocks> so, better than Standard :)
[08:07] <willcooke> NOW it is.
[08:07] <Laney> it's misty
[08:07] <didrocks> ah phew, back to normal :)
[08:07] <willcooke> :D
[08:07] <Laney> but I don't think ACTUALLY raining right this second
[08:08]  * Laney has a sore throat today
[08:20] <duflu> Morning willcooke and Laney
[08:21] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:23] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1757401 => lets hope this gets fixed before release time
[08:23] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1757401 in mutter (Ubuntu) "hybrid GPU: one screen stays black in mutter 3.28" [High,Triaged]
[08:31] <duflu> dupondje, AFAIK nobody here uses (or has) a hybrid setup. I suggest you ping the Gnome guys in another channel (sorry don't know which)
[08:31] <dupondje> seems not only hybrid users are affected btw
[08:31] <duflu> Although the upstream bug looks like it's progressing as fast as any Gnome bug does
[08:32] <dupondje> just users with 2 displays (where 1 is hidpi) and the other is not, are affected :)
[08:33] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[08:33] <oSoMoN> good afternoon duflu, had a good week-end?
[08:34] <duflu> Yes. A proper weekend without the chaos of Easter. You, oSoMoN?
[08:35] <oSoMoN> yeah, not very relaxing, but productive, did lots in the house and the garden, and even managed to go to the theater and restaurant on Saturday
[08:35] <duflu> Indeed a proper weekend.
[08:38] <duflu> dupondje, your issue actually sounds related to a Mesa issue we worked around recently. Not a bug as such, but Mesa is aggressively using tiling formats that other parts of the system aren't quite ready for yet. So your bug could qualify as similar. Maybe we could work around it in a similar way, but I am hesitant to disable that more mature tiling format in Mesa. I don't think that one was added too recently
[08:40] <dupondje> I got a working system now with some patched mutter :) but I just think its an issue that needs to be fixed before releasedate. Cause its a showstopper for dual display users :)
[08:42] <duflu> dupondje, unfortunately the people with those expertise are not working on Ubuntu. We're waiting for them to fix it upstream first
[08:43] <duflu> dupondje, sounds like an issue that could be worked around by enlarging your graphics memory. Can you try increasing it in your BIOS?
[08:44]  * duflu does the libinput 1.10.4 dance
[08:44] <dupondje> I dont think I can increase it inside bios ..
[08:44] <duflu> dupondje, you usually can increase it for Intel GPUs
[08:47] <duflu> BTW, I just checked and Y-tiling is old (SandyBridge) so we probably can't evict that feature as quickly as the other bug I was thinking about
[08:48] <duflu> tjaalton, Peter tagged libinput 1.10.4 today. It sounds like it will fix half/most of my sensitivity complaints
[08:49] <dupondje> let me reboot and check :)
[08:49] <tjaalton> duflu: ok, I'll push it to debian
[08:49] <duflu> Master is still better, but we need to wait a few months for v1.11 :/
[08:54] <dupondje> duflu: just checked. Nowhere I can set it inside the bios/uefi :)
[08:55] <duflu> dupondje, That's unusual. Maybe you don't recognise it. It might be labelled "IGD"-something
[08:58] <dupondje> duflu: checked all options :) i'm sure
[08:58] <dupondje> its dell bios .. mostly quite closed :D
[09:01] <doko> $ pkg-config --cflags cairo
[09:01] <doko> -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng16 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng16
[09:01] <doko> any idea why the freetype and png includes appear twice?
[09:01] <doko> causes an autopkg test regression
[09:01] <doko> Ubuntu only, not Debian
[09:01] <willcooke> morning jibel, just out of curisoity, did you try a live image today with L_aney's font fixes in?  (If indeed they have landed in the image)?  If so - any different?
[09:04] <jibel> willcooke, I did, the timeouts are gone. I'm looking how much it improves boot speed
[09:04] <jibel> willcooke, the timeout of bluez is still there
[09:04] <jibel> and good morning
[09:06] <willcooke> darn
[09:06] <willcooke> was hoping that bluez would be fixed too
[09:06] <seb128> doko, no idea, cairo is on sync from Debian
[09:06] <jibel> willcooke, also it didn't fix the problem with the activation of the screen reader
[09:06] <willcooke> bum
[09:07] <jibel> but now the welcome sound is playing :)
[09:28] <duflu> I wonder if we could do something more sane with dbus defaults. It seems silly we end up fighting 25 second hangs every time some component goes wrong
[09:52] <duflu> willcooke, I haven't booted Xubuntu in probably years. I'll have another look at the BlueZ delay tonight
[09:52] <duflu> (waiting on a new image)
[09:55] <willcooke> thanks a lot duflu
[09:57] <willcooke> Trevinho, when you're around, what's your feeling about the theme for side bar in Nautilus. Some opinion is that having the background colour for the icons on the left, then changing the selected background colour to the same as the labels makes it confusing.  I tend to agree, and think it would probably be "better" to have the background colour of the icons be the same as the text labels.  WDYT?
[09:58] <willcooke> nit picks aside - looks great
[09:58] <Laney> We're way past UIF ...
[10:01]  * duflu is personally confused by the needless tab look in the side bar. The tab opens up to a list of all tab names. Makes no sense. But Laney also has a point
[10:01] <Laney> might want to consider theme reworkings for post release
[10:04]  * duflu just realized that's exactly what willcooke is describing
[10:06] <jibel> willcooke, I did 3 runs of beta2 vs today's iso and the fontconfig fix is a huge win.
[10:06] <jibel> beta2 boots to gnome shell in 3min14s on average
[10:06] <jibel> today's boots in 1min4s
[10:06] <didrocks> how was artful for you?
[10:07] <jibel> on a slow but reliable inspiron
[10:12] <jibel> didrocks, less than a minute
[10:12] <jibel> let me check again
[10:12] <didrocks> ok, so there is a little difference still
[10:13] <jibel> didrocks, we know that preseeding snaps has an impact
[10:13] <didrocks> are, first time registration
[10:15] <jibel> 51s to boot artful
[10:15] <didrocks> k
[10:16] <didrocks> at least, huge enhancement :)
[10:16] <Wimpress> Morning desktopers. You'll notice I'm using a different alias for my nick now.
[10:17] <Laney> now how am I going to remember your website?
[10:17] <Wimpress> I'm sure you'll manage :-)
[10:19] <Laney> I tried "wimpress.org" as an attempt at trolling
[10:19] <Laney> Fails miserably...
[10:20] <tjaalton> duflu: libinput uploaded, should be syncable in 6h or so
[10:21] <duflu> tjaalton, you made my day, thanks
[10:27] <oSoMoN> good morning Wimpress
[11:19] <willcooke> Man, it's nearly lunchtime already.
[11:21] <doko> please pickup your ftbfs here ... http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/rebuilds/test-rebuild-20180408-bionic.html
[11:33] <oSoMoN> ricotz, given the comments on bug #1738821, perhaps we should revert https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?h=ubuntu-bionic-6.0&id=c830674e04ed0b080308057e0dedf87c4a655f67 ?
[11:33] <ubot5`> bug 1738821 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Appstream data points to libreoffice-common" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1738821
[11:53] <jbicha> oSoMoN: re bug 1034558, Debian's libreoffice-report-builder depends on at least libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java
[11:53] <ubot5`> bug 1034558 in pentaho-reporting-flow-engine (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libbase-java, libsac-java, libxml-java, libflute-java, libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1034558
[11:53] <jbicha> I guess we only use the embedded versions in Ubuntu because of the MIR problem (I didn't really look that closely)
[11:54] <jbicha> does libreoffice-report-builder need to be in main?
[11:56] <jbicha> the Start Center .desktop bug is more LP: #1696250
[11:56] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1696250 in libreoffice (Debian) "Please hide Start Center and Math" [Unknown,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696250
[12:05] <jbicha> mpt: I have a few design things to discuss re: the first login app. Should I talk to you then?
[12:06] <jbicha> if so, do you want to discuss in IRC or on LP bugs?
[12:08] <jbicha> seb128: could you subscribe the bug team to sound-icons for LP: #1762039 ?
[12:08] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1762039 in sound-icons (Ubuntu) "[MIR] sound-icons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762039
[12:10] <oSoMoN> jbicha, no libreoffice-report-builder doesn't need to be in main, it's only suggested/recommended by libreoffice and libreoffice-base, both of which are in universe
[12:10] <oSoMoN> jbicha, it could very well be that we use the embedded versions because of the MIR requirement indeed, I didn't dig deep enough to confirm that
[12:12] <jbicha> oh I see, libreoffice-report-builder is already in universe
[12:13] <jbicha> libreoffice-base was in main until this cycle
[12:26] <seb128> jbicha, hey, I told dok_o the other day that one was worth downgrading to a suggest, do you know if "sounds-icons" is used anywhere in Ubuntu?
[12:28] <jbicha> I mean speech-dispatcher wants it, I guess I can ask Samuel Thibault about it
[12:33] <seb128> "wants" as Recommends, as said I looked at it previous week when dok_o asked on this channel and my personnal opinion is that Suggests is enough, we don't need to pile up more MIRs at this point
[12:36] <jbicha> I understand. I thought this would be a trivial MIR to process
[12:48] <Wimpress> Laney: We've indentified some locales that don't provide a complete minimal install
[12:48] <Wimpress> Should the following bugs also reference Ubiquity?
[12:48] <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-en-au/+bug/1762409
[12:48] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1762409 in openoffice.org-en-au (Ubuntu) "mythes-en-au Recommends: libreoffice-writer, all other mythes Suggests:" [Undecided,New]
[12:48] <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-hyphenation-pl/+bug/1762410
[12:48] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1762410 in openoffice.org-hyphenation-pl (Ubuntu) "hyphen-{hr,pl,ru}, Recommends: libreoffice-writer, all other hypen packages Suggests:" [Undecided,New]
[12:55] <jbicha> Wimpress: fixed for the main Ubuntu flavor now https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.bionic/revision/2663
[12:56] <jbicha> I'm not planning to go through all the flavors though
[12:57] <Wimpress> jbicha: Oooh, so the removals has expanded somewhat in Ubuntu since I last looked.
[12:57] <Wimpress> Thanks, I'll compare.
[13:00] <jbicha> yeah I added a bunch more language stuff that LO pulls in but my list was incomplete since I didn't use or expand wildcards
[13:02] <seb128> Wimpress, I don't think "minimal" has ever been defined in the sense you are trying to give it
[13:03] <seb128> Wimpress, it's not a "minimal disk footprint" install, it's a "minimal list of components" as "on your corporate desktop users don't have access to games and things you don't want them to do on their work machine"
[13:03] <Wimpress> Yeah, I get that.
[13:03] <seb128> your 'don't provide a complete minimal install' is worded weirdly then
[13:03] <Wimpress> There's clearly an attempt to not have LibreOffice in the minimal install thought.
[13:04] <seb128> what you describe seems to be a complete minimal install
[13:04] <seb128> just with disk space waste
[13:04] <Wimpress> And those localised dictionaries etc cause some of LibreOffice to remain for some locales.
[13:05] <seb128> k, that would have been a description easier to understand than the one actually used in the bug report
[13:06] <seb128> or title
[13:08] <seb128> jbicha, I subscribed desktop-packages to sound-icons but I don't know if that isn't going to require a ffe, at least a statement on usefulness & iso space use, still feel late to me and could be better to do next cycle
[13:08] <ricotz> oSoMoN, that is your call, this was a cherry-pick from debian 6.1 anyway, which is also not part of 6.0.x in debian?
[13:08] <jbicha> I emailed the debian-accessibility list to ask
[13:08] <ricotz> oSoMoN, but I am +1 for revert
[13:10] <jbicha> there is interest in hiding LO Start Center by default for at least GNOME
[13:12] <didrocks> also, this is what other distros did, sounds weird to have it IMHO
[13:13] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ack, I'll revert now
[13:17] <seb128> didrocks, have what?
[13:17] <didrocks> LO Start Center desktop file
[13:17] <jbicha> I'm fine with keeping it installed as long as you keep https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/tree/patches/hide-startcenter-and-maths-desktop-files.patch?h=ubuntu-bionic-6.0
[13:17] <seb128> didrocks, they are talking about adding it back no?
[13:18] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, which I think isn't good (which is my point, was quite unclear rereading, indeed)
[13:18] <seb128> ah ok
[13:18] <seb128> does anyone know why upstream keeps it if all distro hate it/patch it out?
[13:18] <ricotz> it is nice entry point imo
[13:19] <ricotz> showing the last documents and choosing what to create next
[13:19] <didrocks> entry point is meaningless, people start a "writer", or a "spreadsheet", not an app to start another app
[13:20] <didrocks> the fact that it's all coming from the same application is an implementation detail that users don't care and the start center put that in front of you
[13:21] <ricotz> I am not strictly in favour in any direction, just took some heat from ppa users
[13:21] <didrocks> ppa users aren't a full representation of our user base IMHO
[13:21] <ricotz> note that aren't bionic users
[13:22] <ricotz> mostly trusty/xenial ones
[13:22] <didrocks> still, I don't think the vast majority of our user based are represented by people being able to add a PPA
[13:22] <didrocks> we can argue the same way to have firefox & thunderbird gather in a "Start center" as they are using the same technology
[13:22] <didrocks> web browsing & emails are as different as writing a document from a spreadsheet
[13:22] <ricotz> 130.000 users has some weight though
[13:23] <didrocks> 130.000 of them filed a bug about lacking Start center?
[13:23] <ricotz> no, got some direct emails
[13:23] <didrocks> doesn't sound like a good quantified number
[13:23] <ricotz> do as you like
[13:24] <didrocks> well, I gave my opinion, that's it, I feel it's a mistake
[13:24] <ricotz> oSoMoN, ^
[13:24] <ricotz> ah wait this isn't a democracy, or is it ;P
[13:25] <didrocks> :)
[13:25] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I pushed the revert
[13:25] <oSoMoN> didrocks, note that this revert doesn't mean the desktop file will be visible, it's just adding it back (but it's kept hidden from GNOME) as it was removed altogether
[13:26] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, chromium isn't starting for me https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x4dS9Z2XDG/
[13:26] <oSoMoN> if upstream keeps the startcenter around it could mean that users like/expect it
[13:26] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ah sorry, I didn't understand this. Hum, what does it give thus?
[13:26] <didrocks> as long as it's not visible by default, I'm fine :)
[13:27] <oSoMoN> didrocks, removing the desktop file altogether was meant to fix bug #1738821, but there's gotta be a gentler way of fixing the issue
[13:27] <ubot5`> bug 1738821 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Appstream data points to libreoffice-common" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1738821
[13:27] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, it actually hangs there so looks like it's running
[13:28] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, can you check for any relevant denials?
[13:28] <kenvandine> nouveau graphics
[13:29] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ah got you! Yeah, sounds like the best move is to install it, but keep it hidden (which is why I thought it was already)
[13:29] <kenvandine> org.freedesktop.secrets and bluez denials
[13:29] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, nothing else
[13:30] <jbicha> oSoMoN: according to https://wiki.debian.org/AppStream/Guidelines#How_to_exclude_.desktop_files_from_the_metadata you can either set NoDisplay=true or X-AppStream-Ignore=True
[13:30] <oSoMoN> jbicha, ah, thanks!
[13:31] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, those shouldn't be blocking, this execvp error is probably at fault
[13:31] <kenvandine> indeed
[13:31] <kenvandine> why does it try to exec that?
[13:31] <kenvandine> oh, that's for the sandbox?
[13:32] <jbicha> speaking of appstream, I'm thinking I like the idea of splitting gnome-session-properties to a separate binary package to fix bug 1756788
[13:32] <ubot5`> bug 1756788 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "Removing "Startup Applications" in "Ubuntu Software" makes the system unable to launch GDM" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756788
[13:32] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, another interesting bit of info, i had chromium favorited in my dock
[13:32] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, this apparently: https://cs.chromium.org/chromium/src/chrome/browser/shell_integration_linux.cc?type=cs&sq=package:chromium&l=380
[13:32] <jbicha> maybe call it gnome-startup-applications
[13:32] <kenvandine> it's no longer there
[13:34] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, i checked gsettings and it's no longer in favorite-apps
[13:34] <kenvandine> weird
[13:34] <kenvandine> i'm sure i didn't unfavorite it
[13:35] <kenvandine> but that's probably not related
[13:36] <seb128> jbicha, the new session binary sounds good there
[13:37] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, i'm on stable, but right now all the branches have the same version
[13:38] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, yes, I've started work on updating the beta and dev branches but upstream's aggressive use of new C++ features means it's getting increasingly difficult to get chromium to build on xenial
[13:38] <jbicha> also I'm thinking about writing appstream metadata for Software Updater and Software & Updates so we can set the compulsory for GNOME field
[13:38] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, understood
[13:39] <jbicha> and set compulsory for nautilus and gnome-control-center so that people don't easily unknowingly uninstall the ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[13:40] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, can you strace the chromium snap and confirm that it hangs on the execvp call?
[13:40] <kenvandine> sure
[13:41] <oSoMoN> thanks
[13:42] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, that execvp error is probably a red herring, that looks like bug #1732482 but it shouldn't hang the app
[13:42] <ubot5`> bug 1732482 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "[snap] doesn't properly save desktop files for "create shortcuts" action" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732482
[13:46] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, lots of https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JzG3R25N6q/
[13:47] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, i guess it just keeps trying to spawn processes and can't
[13:48] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, what if you back up $HOME/snap/chromium/current, delete it and start with a fresh profile?
[13:48] <kenvandine> i can do that and i assume it would work :)
[13:48] <kenvandine> new msg
[13:48] <kenvandine> [11701:11756:0409/094154.398271:ERROR:connection_factory_impl.cc(379)] Failed to connect to MCS endpoint with error -7
[13:48] <kenvandine> what's MCS?
[13:49] <oSoMoN> no idea
[13:49] <kenvandine> ok, mv current
[13:51] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, that worked
[13:51] <oSoMoN> MCS == mobile connection server, apparently
[13:51] <oSoMoN> whatever that means
[13:52] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, note after moving the data, i didn't get the failed to execvp message
[13:52] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, ack, and if you move your profile dir back to where it was, the app hangs again at startup, right?
[13:52] <kenvandine> yes
[13:53] <kenvandine> after moving it back i get the failed to execvp
[13:55] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, any more useful info if you run with --enable-logging=stderr ?
[13:58] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, checking
[13:58] <Trevinho> morning
[13:58] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you? had a good w.e?
[13:58] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, nothing more useful
[13:58] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, really good... you?
[13:59] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, i'll try copying my profile from 270 to 274
[13:59] <seb128> good as well, but I got a cold again today :/
[13:59] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, interesting, my 274 dir is quite a bit smaller than 270
[14:00] <kenvandine> well... 10% or so
[14:00] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, copying 270 to 274 worked
[14:00] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, this call to xdg-desktop-menu seems to be triggered to update webapp shortcuts, so assuming you manage to isolate where those are stored in the profile (I don't know that off the top of my head) and remove them, does it start?
[14:01] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, i'll look
[14:29] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, sorry, was in a meeting
[14:29] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, not sure what i'm looking for, would it be a sqlite db?
[14:39] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, no clue, let me dig
[14:39] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, i'm not seeing anything looking like that
[14:44] <seb128> kenvandine, so here gtk fileselectors are not translated in snaps, which ones did you try and where did you look in the ui?
[14:44] <kenvandine> gedit
[14:44] <kenvandine> open other i think
[14:45] <kenvandine> Other Documents
[14:45] <seb128> do you have it open now?
[14:45] <seb128> in french?
[14:45] <kenvandine> not right now
[14:45] <kenvandine> i have a french VM :)
[14:45] <kenvandine> i can boot it in a few
[14:45] <seb128> k, can you try later and ping me when yo u have it on screen?
[14:45] <seb128> no hurry
[14:45] <seb128> thx
[14:52] <kenvandine> seb128, https://imgur.com/a/hffAE
[14:52] <seb128> kenvandine, right, that's not translated :)
[14:52] <kenvandine> it's not english :)
[14:52] <kenvandine> the buttons on top?
[14:52] <seb128> kenvandine, "Other locations" on the left and the column names
[14:53] <seb128> kenvandine, buttons and combo/type are provided by the app not gtk
[14:53] <kenvandine> oh... the column names
[14:53] <kenvandine> i missed that
[14:53] <seb128> since they are bits app specific
[14:53] <kenvandine> sigh
[14:53] <seb128> some parts of the fileselector are API controlled
[14:53] <seb128> it's a bit confusing
[14:54] <kenvandine> i saw the buttons, title and the bottom bits
[14:54] <seb128> right, that's the most obvious part of the UI
[14:56] <seb128> kenvandine, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gedit/tree/gedit/resources/ui/gedit-window.ui#n43
[14:56] <seb128> so yeah, that's coming from gedit
[15:07] <kenvandine> seb128, i'll try a build with my preload hack
[15:07] <seb128> kenvandine, thx
[15:19] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho, what's the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream-glib/+bug/1744941 ? was that ever uploaded to xenial?
[15:19] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1744941 in appstream-glib (Ubuntu Artful) "gnome-software crashes in as_app_parse_desktop_file" [High,New]
[15:21] <Laney> guess not
[15:21] <Laney> sponsors were subscribed but that's not really getting looked at
[15:22] <seb128> k
[15:22] <Laney> I'll look in a bit tho
[15:23] <seb128> thx!
[15:23] <Laney> yep
[15:23] <seb128> andyrock, hey, did you see the IRC ping from slangasek this morning about the software-properties depends move?
[15:24] <seb128> Trevinho, and you, did you see the ping from will this morning about nautilus sidebar?
[15:30] <Trevinho> seb128: no, let me see
[15:36] <seb128> Trevinho, thx
[15:43] <Trevinho> willcooke: mh... I've no strong opinions on that, I can do some tests and see what's better
[15:47] <willcooke> Trevinho, thanks.  Could you send me a screenshot when you get a chance to try it?
[15:47] <willcooke> I'll ask for a UIFe if we change it
[15:51] <Trevinho> willcooke: ok, can you specify also things in a bug?
[15:51] <seb128> jbicha, unsure if GNOME is going to roll a gnome-session 3.28.1 but if they don't can you cherry pick that commit next time you do an upload for it? https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-session/commit/?id=010d9dae
[15:52] <jbicha> ha, you're a few minutes too late :)
[15:54] <seb128> jbicha, that's your recent commit which made me think about it
[15:54] <seb128> but yeah, for next one
[15:54] <jbicha> seb128: we have a bzr branch… ;)
[15:54] <seb128> they maybe roll a .1 tarball :)
[15:54] <seb128> right, it's just tarball day
[15:54] <seb128> so I'm going to be lazy and wait to see if they roll one
[16:05] <willcooke> Trevinho, not sure if I really explained it properly: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1762465
[16:05] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1762465 in Ubuntu theme "Nautilus sidebar theming is confusing" [Undecided,New]
[16:33] <jbicha> yes, there were multiple comments on social media about the dual colored side bar looking like the labels are submenus for each of the icons
[16:39] <Laney> why does it have to start raining just as I am about to go home :<
[16:40] <jbicha> bicycle or walking?
[16:40] <Laney> first one
[16:41] <Laney> no mudguards either
[16:42] <Laney> I got some ages ago but never fitted them and then lost 50% of the screws, and finally someone stepped on them and they got all mangled
[16:42] <Laney> so now I just get wet
[16:56] <flocculant> Laney: I got wet - forgot waterproofs - rain on a motorbike
[16:58] <tsimonq2> Rain > Snow.
[16:59] <flocculant> popey: you around?
[17:03] <j1mc> hi folks - i haven't submitted many patches in the past, so i'm not sure what i need to do to get attention to a few desktop-related patches i've submitted through launchpad. If someone could have a look at these and let me know if I've gone the correct route, I'd appreciate it:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/ubuntu-geoip/+bug/1617535
[17:03] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1617535 in ubuntu-geoip (Ubuntu Artful) "geoip.ubuntu.com does not utilize HTTPS" [Low,Triaged]
[17:31] <popey> flocculant: sup?
[17:55] <flocculant> popey: sorry to bother - could you do two etherpad people for me? they're working with me on some xubuntu new testers stuff  - https://launchpad.net/~b-leigh and https://launchpad.net/~whobers
[17:56] <flocculant> never know how long it takes for that place
[18:05] <k_alam> jbicha: About gnome-initial-setup, If we want it in unity which metapackage we should add it to? unity-session? How do we set it as Ubuntu as default for unity.iso?
[18:34] <popey> flocculant: done!
[18:43] <andyrock> seb128: sorry I was offline
[18:43] <andyrock> I didn't see the ping
[18:46] <seb128> andyrock, no worry, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/04/09/%23ubuntu-release.html#t07:42
[18:47] <andyrock> seb128: maybe we can move the snapd-glib dep back to common
[18:48] <andyrock> for the others yes, I'm pretty sure there will be no problem
[18:48] <seb128> andyrock, wasn't the request to move deps out of common for server?
[18:48] <seb128> ah ok
[18:48] <seb128> good, can you reply that to slangasek then?
[18:49] <seb128> on that note, time for some TV, have a nice evening desktopers
[18:49] <willcooke> see ya seb128
[19:11] <tjaalton> is there a bug for the case of "my desktop is shown for a while when resuming from suspend"?
[19:12] <sarnold> tjaalton: dozens of em :) probably best to just file a new bug. they've all been fixed and rebroken again over the years.
[19:12] <tjaalton> right ok
[19:13] <tjaalton> would that be the kernel gfx driver then?
[19:15] <sarnold> it could be; more often it's something in the shell or screen locker that just doesn't ask for the lock *before* suspending, but if it feels more like "ancient video ram is used" to you it might indeed be a video driver..
[19:15] <tjaalton> well, it's flickering a bit, dunno which one it is
[19:15] <tjaalton> I'll test another system tomorrow
[19:17] <tjaalton> hmm yeah I guess it's a locking thing not driver
[19:18] <tjaalton> it shows the desktop, goes blank, shows the lockscreen, goes blank again and then after hitting a key opens the pwd dialog
[19:22] <willcooke> tjaalton, which desktop?  GNOME Shell?
[19:35] <jbicha> k_alam: you'd want to add it whichever metapackage you use
[19:35] <jbicha> k_alam: could you go ahead and open a bug against gnome-initial-setup in LP so that we enable the Ubuntu version for Unity if that's what you want?
[19:36] <k_alam> jbicha: All right. Will do.
[19:36] <k_alam> Thanks.
[19:37] <jbicha> k_alam: you're going to need to test things though. gnome-initial-setup depends on gnome-settings-daemon. That alone is bad for you, right?
[19:37] <jbicha> k_alam: if we enable the GOA panel like I proposed, that panel might not work without g-s-d running without being patched
[19:38] <jbicha> right now, the autostart is OnlyShowIn=GNOME; to it won't automatically run in Unity (which is good if it doesn't work correctly!)
[19:38] <k_alam> jbicha: I don't understand goa panel part?
[19:38] <jbicha> I don't either! :)
[19:40] <jbicha> bug 1762192, you'd need to modify the 0001 patch to add goa to around line 85 of gnome-initial-setup/gnome-initial-setup.c
[19:40] <ubot5`> bug 1762192 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Welcome could offer to set up Online Accounts" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762192
[19:40] <jbicha> and test that it actually adds the accounts
[19:40] <jbicha> gnome-initial-setup is a bit complicated to test
[19:41] <jbicha> if you don't make it before 18.04 release, possibly enabling gnome-initial-setup for Unity could be SRU'd
[19:42] <jbicha> when I said I don't know, I meant I don't know how closely gnome-initial-setup is tied to gnome-settings-daemon and I'm not planning to do that testing for you
[19:42] <jbicha> maybe it's only certain pages that need it and maybe we aren't using those pages for the "Welcome to Ubuntu" version currently
[19:43] <k_alam> Ah....right......gnome-initial-setup has goa panel which won't work without g-s-d (need to test though).....So there are two options regarding this....1) copy g-s-d realed code to u-s-d......disable goa panel in initial setup.
[19:44] <k_alam> 2) disable goa panel in initial setup....
[19:46] <jbicha> GOA is not enabled in the Ubuntu version right now. I didn't hear from Design today about it. Hopefully we'll decide this week though.
[19:48] <jbicha> I probably should have mentioned GOA earlier but this feature didn't land until Friday and it's a bit easier for me to think through things once it's a working implementation :|
[19:48] <flocculant> popey: thanks - you're a gent :)
[19:49] <k_alam> I don't really have time for 1........we can ship initial-setup with goa panel disabled (only for Unity)....will it that be ok for you?
[19:51] <k_alam> jbicha: I need to check if there is a easier way to enable/disable panels per session without modifying internal c code.
[19:51] <seb128> tjaalton, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753678
[19:51] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 753678 in lock-screen "Desktop temporarily visible after wake up from suspend" [Normal,Assigned]
[19:51] <ubot5-ng> bugzilla.gnome.org bug 753678 in lock-screen "Desktop temporarily visible after wake up from suspend" [Normal, Assigned] - Assigned to gnome-shell-maint
[19:51] <ubot5`> bug 753449 in branding-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #753678 package branding-ubuntu 0.5 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gnome-games/quadrapassel/pixmaps/quadrapassel.svg', which is also in package quadrapassel 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu3" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753449
[19:51] <seb128> night
[19:53] <jbicha> k_alam: there is a vendor.conf but for multiple reasons it won't help you with its current implementation
[20:02] <k_alam> jbicha: Yes. Modifying vendor.conf will affect all the sessions...it seems. I will test and come back here later. Thanks.
[20:02] <jbicha> yes
[20:08] <Trevinho> tsimonq2: please don't do manual uploads for unity. Let's keep continue use bileto.
[20:09] <tsimonq2> Trevinho: I did use Bileto...
[20:10] <Trevinho> tsimonq2: mh, why is 7.5.0+18.04.20180404-0ubuntu2 then?
[20:10] <Trevinho> tsimonq2: and that's missing from lp:unity
[20:10] <tsimonq2> Trevinho: Because I uploaded it to a Bileto PPA...
[20:11] <willcooke> night all
[20:11] <Trevinho> tsimonq2: that's bad... We should continue using merge proposals.
[20:11] <tsimonq2> Trevinho: OK, sorry.
[20:12] <Trevinho> tsimonq2: fine... In case both I and andyrock can review or in trivial changes I guess you can now self-approve, but please using MPs
[20:13] <Trevinho> otherwise upstream code won't be adapted and it's a mess to manage
[20:17] <tsimonq2> OK.
[20:19] <Trevinho> :)
[20:21] <k_alam> Trevinho: What to do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1737834 ? I guess it's a issue with pulseaudio not available on bus....it compiles with pulseaudio 1.10 but not with 1.11.....Should we disable the integration tests for now if we can't fix this before release?
[20:21] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1737834 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "indicator-sound fails to build, test failures" [High,New]
[20:24] <Trevinho> k_alam: is that only a build issue? I mean the indicator actually work properly?
[20:25] <k_alam> Yes....I haven't face anything unusual........But I tested couple weeks ago...things may have changed since then...
[20:27] <k_alam> Let me recheck this....
[20:27] <Trevinho> k_alam: about your u-s-d u-c-c MPs since we're in FF they'd need an exception. Even for universe
[20:34] <jbicha> Mirv: are you interested in packaging the shotwell 0.28.2 release?
[20:36] <k_alam> Trevinho: Yes...I know....So how should we proceed? Should I file a ffe bug?
[21:16] <Trevinho> k_alam: yeah
[21:28] <jbicha> you can convert your existing bug into the FFe bug
[21:29] <jbicha> sorry I didn't look at your merge reqeusts sooner. I had a lot on my plate this cycle and it kept dropping down on my to do list
[21:39] <k_alam> jbicha: I will convert it to ffe bug. I should subscribe ubuntu-release-team ?
[21:41] <jbicha> yes
[21:47] <k_alam> jbicha: Thanks. About initial-setup I have checked. The problem is gdm. gdm uses InitialSetupEnable=True to make it autorun when session starts. But Unity uses lightdm....I couldn't find any way to auto start it in a way gdm does.
[21:48] <jbicha> I'm pretty sure you don't need that feature unless you manage to run Ubuntu without any non-system users installed
[21:49] <jbicha> there's a bit of explanation about that mode in bug 1762287
[21:49] <ubot5`> bug 1762287 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Offer Ubuntu customizations in new user mode too" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762287
[21:51] <jbicha> the existing-user mode should be just a standard /etc/xdg/autostart/ file (except that it has OnlyShowIn=GNOME;)
[21:53] <k_alam> Ooops! that is indeed the issue!...I forgot to change OnlyShowIn...:(
[21:55] <k_alam> Jbicha: Is there any to make it use the default theme instead of Adwaita?
[21:56] <jbicha> don't run it with XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME ;)
[22:19] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Hope you think it makes sense, given my explanation, to fix those hyphen-* packages now.
[22:21] <jbicha> it's fine