[00:13] <Roguehorse> Ah...I'm a D&D guy.......4.5 last I got to play at the local game shop https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek4gnmnidnfbpdi/dnd.jpg?dl=0
[00:13] <darthrobot`> Title: [Dropbox - dnd.jpg]
[00:16] <Roguehorse> when a person grows up with a condition like mine, this is what we got into instead of sports
[00:17] <Roguehorse> I started at age 9, maybe 10
[00:39] <Roguehorse> doctors said it would be unlikely I would be able to have kids too from so much medication
[00:40] <Roguehorse> I was afraid to try...and a few miscarriages I thought they might be right
[00:41] <Roguehorse> then when my son was born I was terrified he might have it but they assured me it was highly unlikely https://www.dropbox.com/s/wdayy4an52gkr5k/wyatt.JPG?dl=0
[00:41] <darthrobot`> Title: [Dropbox - wyatt.JPG]
[00:42] <Roguehorse> he's ok....and smart too =)
[01:35] <nhaines> There's AD&D, AD&D2e, AD&D3e, AD&D3.5e, AD&D4e, and D&D5e.  There's no 4.5e that I know of.  :)
[01:35] <nhaines> Cute kid!
[02:55] <ianorlin> I like pathfinder rpg whic is a fork of 3.5
[02:55] <ianorlin> although I heard the nook was horrible with paizo publishing pdfs
[02:56] <nhaines> D&D 4e was okay.  I've played very little 5e, but I liked the crit dice.
[02:57] <ianorlin> nhaines: did you hear about the you cannot produce 3.5 stuff in the 4e third party publisher agreement
[02:57] <ianorlin> of how they could not produce both 4e stuff and 3.5 stuff at same time
[02:58] <ianorlin> that said paizo does make a pretty awesome setting
[02:58] <nhaines> ianorlin: nope!
[02:59] <ianorlin> 4e has drastically different low level play
[02:59] <nhaines> I played 2e and then a little 4e.
[03:00] <ianorlin> gah I forgot my password to paizo forums haven't posted there in ages
[03:00] <pleia2> I played for a few years and attended D&D Experience back in 2008, some fun times were had, James Wyatt DMed a game I lurked in on
[03:01] <ianorlin> it is quite easy to make a dnd map in inkscape
[03:01] <ianorlin> actually that is what most of photos on google plus are
[03:06] <nhaines> Most photos on Google+ are vector D&D maps?
[03:06] <pleia2> hahaha
[03:06] <pleia2> ++
[03:07] <ianorlin> actually I exported to png and some of the earlier ones I made in gimp
[03:07] <ianorlin> I really wish there would be something like the firefox matchstick or something where I could like have a public map on a tv while playing would be pretty awesome
[03:08] <nhaines> Chromecast?
[03:08] <ianorlin> not sure it works for inkscape
[03:10] <pleia2> something you're editing live? otherwise could just export it as something other than svg is the photo viewer thing doesn't do svg
[03:10] <nhaines> Intel Compute Stick.
[03:10] <ianorlin> live would be best for interactively with the math
[03:10] <ianorlin> that would work
[03:10] <pleia2> gotcha
[03:11] <ianorlin> hmm I would need a bluetooth keyboard
[03:11] <ianorlin> or does it have usb
[03:12] <ianorlin> run vnc or something on it and gm controls from laptop
[03:16] <nhaines> I think it has USB ports.
[03:51] <nhaines> pleia2: https://i.imgur.com/S3OFJWz.jpg
[03:51] <darthrobot`> Content type: [image/jpeg] Size: [33687]
[03:52] <pleia2> <3 <3
[03:52] <pleia2> thank you
[03:52] <nhaines> :D
[13:47] <Roguehorse> oh, well maybe it was just 4e...I started back up when I went back to school and only got to play for a few months after that
[13:48] <Roguehorse> nhaines: thanks for the compliments on the kid =)
[13:49] <Roguehorse> he's ok, but living with so many people in one house has him kind of messed up
[13:50] <Roguehorse> he gets a lot of shit from many directions and they mess with his head a lot
[13:50] <Roguehorse> the in-laws
[13:51] <Roguehorse> my wife hated the fact that I was playing D&D at the local game store
[13:51] <Roguehorse> she said it was embarrassing, immature, and uncool for an adult
[13:53] <Roguehorse> I guess it's more cool to just lie in bed every night and watch TV ....... definitely much cooler and mature
[15:36] <ianorlin> Roguehorse: I don't get why people say that Dnd is immature
[15:36] <ianorlin> it can be if you dumb players
[15:37] <ianorlin> I think local gaming store could be a better place than a bar
[17:08] <Roguehorse> I don't get it either...I think it requires an extremely high level of maturity
[17:09] <Roguehorse> there's a lot involved with the game
[17:09] <Roguehorse> bars suck
[17:10] <Roguehorse> I believe people who put it down just do because they can't handle the games complexities
[17:24] <Roguehorse> I thought as I got older I would get less immaturity towards it than what I did a a teen ..... I guess not
[18:03] <ianorlin> I don't understand
[18:36] <Roguehorse> don't understand what?
[18:41] <ianorlin> why people are prejudiced
[19:42] <Roguehorse> I think it's usually jealousy or personal inferiority complexes
[19:43] <Roguehorse> some people have this terrible need to constantly compare themselves to others around them instead of just concerning themselves with being happy with themselves
[20:10] <ianorlin> yeah that doesn't make any sense
[21:16] <Roguehorse> to you and I no
[21:36] <pleia2> signs for tonight :D https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/19507778876
[21:36] <darthrobot`> Title: [Freshly printed signs! #UbuntuHour #Debian | Flickr - Photo Sharing!]
[23:28] <Roguehorse> cool signs
[23:28] <Roguehorse> I need to make one for EBLUG
[23:32] <pleia2> I have unlaminated onces I used to use, but they're a bit out of shape from being stuffed in my bag
[23:47] <DonkeyHotei> giant canvas ones are where it's at
[23:51] <pleia2> but a bit much for a table at starbucks/henry's hunan :)


[07:31] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <sladen> mornin dholbach
[08:13] <dholbach> hi sladen
[08:13] <dholbach> how are you doing? long time no see :)
[08:13] <sladen> slightly tired, watching the sunrise appear with its rays of motiviation
[08:46] <dholbach> :)
[15:36] <ESphynx> hey guys... Is everything OK there @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecere-sdk/+bug/1424418 ?


[01:21] <wesdom> reverse dns for email....
[01:21] <wesdom> is that still a no go on ec2
[01:21] <wesdom> ?
[01:31] <wesdom> don't see how u can be an enterprise solution without reverse dns
[01:38] <wesdom> i know everyone is tired of hearing about it.... just venting


[23:23] <ActionParsnip> n0sq: try Lubuntu of Xubuntu if your CPU doesn't support PAE
[23:23] <n0sq> what's the diff?
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> n0sq: try just asking your question rather than pathetic threats
[23:23] <machicola> is <IP_ADDRESS>/24 like the default for local network or somethin?
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> n0sq: Xubuntu and Lubuntu don't use the PAE kernel as they are made for low end systems whose CPUs probably don't support PAE
[23:24] <n0sq> ActionParsnip: well, i'll be nice by not responding to your ridiculus statement
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> machicola: its a private IP range, yes
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> n0sq: if you have a support question rather than 'ooh I'm not going to use ubuntu' etc, just stick to the question etc
[23:26] <nith1210> n0sq: did you install it from a usb key or a cd?
[23:26] <DG_> hey guys, why does my screen look like it's zoomed in
[23:27] <ardchoille> DG_: does it scroll when the cursor hits the screen edge?
[23:27] <DG_> @ardchoille not the browser, everything in general
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> DG_: what video chip do you use? sounds like you are just at a low res
[23:27] <hash> so anyone Help with a fast booting, multitasking os for a carputer. Needs to work with a mini atx/itx board , run gps , log real time engine data, touch screen compatibility,
[23:27] <ardchoille> DG_: right, does the desktop scroll when the cursor hits the edge of the monitor screen?
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> hash: try ubuntu
[23:28] <DG_> @ardchoille nope
[23:28] <ardchoille> ok
[23:29] <hash> I thought ubuntu wasnt to mini board friendly?
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> hash: why would it not be?
[23:29] <ardchoille> hash: ubuntu works on embedded systems
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> DG_: what video chip do you use?
[23:29] <hash> that i dont know
[23:30] <DG_> @actionparsnip its really old, like ATI RAEDON XPRESS 1100
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> DG_: is the system fully updated?
[23:30] <hash> it was from reading other reviews that it was not to efficient on a couple of the mini itx boards
[23:30] <TJ-> hash: How about ALS (Automotive Grade Linux) ?
[23:31] <hash> TJ, never heard of that ill have to check it out
[23:31] <Eitan> exit
[23:31] <TJ-> hash: https://lwn.net/Articles/517424/
[23:31] <DG_> @actionparsnip no clue most likely since they haven't made an update for it in years
[23:32] <hash> Alright thanks
[23:32] <hash> i gotta go to school or ima be late
[23:33] <DG_> @actionparsnip this is the first time it happened it was after a reboot
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> DG_: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:34] <TJ-> DG_: check the log-file for clues: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for starters
[23:34] <DG_> 0.o
[23:35] <DG_> see we may just have one problem here, im stupid lol
[23:35] <ardchoille> DG_: never admit that.. always blame the hardware ;)
[23:36] <TJ-> DG_: The computer is stupid, for not figuring out you don't have bad eyesight yet!
[23:37] <ardchoille> bad age detection algo :)
[23:37] <DG_> @TJ actually i have horrible eyesight but i have contacts
[23:37] <TJ-> DG_: seems like the computer is wearing them :p
[23:37] <Hatori> good morning
[23:38] <TJ-> DG_: can you pastebin "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" ?
[23:38] <DG_> So what do i do to open the grub i've done it before i just forgot how
[23:38] <TJ-> DG_: which version of Ubuntu is it? 12.04 Precise? 10.04 Lucid ?
[23:39] <DG_> 12.04
[23:39] <TJ-> DG_: and are you currently using it to type to us?
[23:40] <ardchoille> 120pt font, lol
[23:48] <DG_> back, and yes TJ i am
[23:49] <TJ-> DG_: install pasetebinit and the send the log-file to the pastebin and give us the URL "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" then "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[23:50] <DG_> but my point is how do i get into the grub menu
[23:51] <TJ-> DG_: Press the Shift key when the PC is starting, just as BIOS POST ends
[23:52] <DG_> oh so not the command prompt?
[23:52] <DG_> i thought that grub was the command prompt lol
[23:54] <alec> does anyone know how to get xft support for dmenu?
[23:54] <TJ-> DG_: No, Press Ctrl+Alt+T
[23:54] <goddard> is there a hot key i can use to automatically put execution properties or mod +x
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> goddard: could make a nautilus script
[23:55] <terminhell> hi all
[23:55] <DG_> oh never mind i fixed it
[23:55] <nith1210> Hi terminhell
[23:55] <terminhell> how do i enable more amazon ads?
[23:55] <DG_> lolwhat?
[23:55] <terminhell> :p jk, hows the new release looking?
[23:56] <goddard> terminhell: crap gonna switch to Gnome Shell
[23:56] <unsobill> is it possible my ubuntu freeze up after i click firefox random link
[23:57] <goddard> yes
[23:57] <unsobill> ?
[23:57] <terminhell> firefox has a random link now?
[23:57] <unsobill> any random link at firefox
[23:57] <unsobill> u feeling smart today?
[23:57] <goddard> yes
[23:58] <unsobill> then lets fix my ubunut random freeze ups
[23:58] <terminhell> upgrade ff?
[23:58] <unsobill> :D and i share my bbq recipe with u
[23:58] <unsobill> ff on 15.0.1 version
[23:59] <terminhell> does it happen with any other browser?
[23:59] <nomadFaust> My machine is stuck at "Mounting fuse control filesystem" and won't boot even in reco very mode. I have tried "rmmod fuse" to no avail. What do I do?


[00:02] <Hobbsee> quite possibly
[00:04] <Hobbsee> that seems a likely problem
[00:11] <chrisccoulson> Hobbsee: thanks, it seems to have worked this time
[00:11] <Hobbsee> chrisccoulson: yes, seems so.
[00:11]  * Hobbsee has poked 3 now
[09:00] <crevette> salut huats
[09:01] <huats> hello crevette
[10:00] <didrocks> plop crevette & huats
[10:00] <huats> plop didrocks !
[10:00] <didrocks> (non, je suis au boulot depuis 8h tt de même, pas 11h ;))
[10:08] <crevette> salut didrocks
[10:08] <crevette> frenchies ftw on ubuntu
[10:39] <didrocks> :)
[18:33] <crevette> hey seb128 \./
[18:34] <seb128> lut crevette
[18:34] <crevette> you 're now on the other side of the ocean ?
[18:34] <seb128> rather on an ocean which is not in europe ;-)
[18:35] <crevette> ah true this is california, I thought in was in NY city
[18:35]  * crevette would like to spend fe weeks of vacation there


[02:38] <blr> cjwatson: ah, that's good - the "driven by juju config" bit :)
[03:49] <wgrant> cjwatson: Will hopefully have those all approved before you return. Thanks.
[03:50] <wgrant> I guess cjwatson meant that it was configurable at all, which is necessary for both juju and LP usage.
[04:18] <blr> wgrant: right, from what I gather, on the pyramid end anything exported to the environment takes precedence over configuration in foo.ini - not certain what the convention for twisted is, so would appreciate your thoughts on that.
[04:21] <blr> cjwatson: will catch with you on my tuesday to get a sense for what you need specifically for your work.
[09:32] <cjwatson> blr: Right, as wgrant says I meant in general configurable at all (probably with defaults roughly equivalent to what it's doing now), and in this specific case driven by the juju config.
[10:05] <lifeless> ugh stab. LP API datetimes use +00:00 rather than Z
[10:05] <lifeless> standards... the thing where there are so many to choose from
[11:43] <wgrant> lifeless: That's from Python's isoformat.
[11:43] <wgrant> Also +00:00 and Z are both ISO8601, so not even multiple standards :P
[12:21] <lifeless> yeah
[12:21] <lifeless> still ugh. found a fix - use ZonedTime
[12:21] <lifeless> see aeson issue 197
[12:21] <lifeless> night
[12:22] <wgrant> Night :)
[12:22] <lifeless> oh, and yeah, I have a aeson prser for bug/bugimportance/bugstatus now. yay


[14:14] <dantalizing> morning
[15:22] <mhall119> morning
[18:31] <jck77> hello everybody
[20:24] <Shmolf> Hello. there is an app called firc, used to open irc on the android phone
[20:24] <Shmolf> It rocks. But the text preview is small
[22:00] <dantalizing> hey shmolf
[22:00] <dantalizing> Shmolf: where ya been?
[22:01] <dantalizing> Shmolf: irssi connectbot is also available on android. kinda nice.
[22:16] <Shmolf> Ok l try that. Finally finished school


[01:46] <astroo-> Microsoft Is Trying and Failing at Converging Platforms, Ubuntu Does It Right  http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Is-Trying-and-Failing-at-Converging-Platforms-Ubuntu-Does-It-Right-470629.shtml
[03:42] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[21:55] <astroo-> ola pessoal


[00:38] <CoderEurope> What does L2TP-support have compared to  IPsec on UbuntuLinux ?
[02:43] <CoderEurope> https://lifehacker.com/build-your-own-sidekick-inspired-mobile-raspberry-pi-co-1793894398
[12:53] <CoderEurope> https://www.amazon.com/Smallest-Smartphone-UNLOCKED-SMARTPHONE-warranty/dp/B013788QYI


[21:30] <smulcahy> hi - any suggestions on best software to teach an older person to use a mouse?
[21:30] <smulcahy> I'm looking at things like gcompris but not sure if the kids approach will put off an older person


[01:24] <vorlon> rs2009: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/625054761/buildlog_ubuntu_kinetic_amd64_ubuntu-unity_BUILDING.txt.gz has saner germinate output now, but gnome-shell is still being pulled in.  Now we're getting into the pain of alphabetization of package names in apt; ubuntu-unity-desktop Depends: lightdm Recommends: unity-greeter Recommends: network-manager-gnome Recommends: gnome-shell; and
[01:24] <vorlon> policykit-1-gnome sorts after lightdm, and after network-manager-gnome, so the only way to get it pulled in before apt sees gnome-shell would be to make it a recommends: of lightdm
[01:24] <rs2009> vorlon: hmm
[01:25] <rs2009> guess we could try doing that for lightdm
[01:30] <jbicha> I had no idea alphabetization mattered there!
[02:35] <vorlon> jbicha: when you get to the point of apt resolving things, it's alphabetized (because dpkg sorts depends lists in output these days), depth-first
[02:46] <vorlon> jbicha, rs2009: lasciate ogni speranza, voi chi guardate https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/1.30.0-0ubuntu6
[02:47] <vorlon> oh, this is incomplete though, it takes care of network-manager-gnome Depends: gnome-shell | policykit-1-gnome, but not Recommends: gnome-shell | notification-daemon
[02:48] <vorlon> rs2009: you have 'notification-daemon' seeded in ubuntu-unity/desktop, but this is a virtual package; which implementation are you intending to use if not gnome-shell?
[02:50] <vorlon> rs2009: oops no, there is also a real notification-daemon package! Ok
[02:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (bionic-proposed/main) [22.3-13-g70ce6442-0ubuntu1~18.04.1 => 22.3.3-0ubuntu1~18.04.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[02:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (focal-proposed/main) [22.3-13-g70ce6442-0ubuntu1~20.04.1 => 22.3.3-0ubuntu1~20.04.1] (core, edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud)
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[04:48] <vorlon> rs2009: no gnome-shell https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/kinetic/ubuntu-unity/+build/374280
[07:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: aad-auth [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [0.3] (no packageset)
[07:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: aad-auth [s390x] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [0.3] (no packageset)
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[07:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: aad-auth [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [0.3] (no packageset)
[08:01] <seb128> hum, does anyone understand what's going on there?
[08:01] <seb128><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:01] <seb128> autopkgtest [23:23:41]: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ apt-source gsfonts-x11
[08:01] <seb128> blame: gsfonts-x11
[08:01] <seb128> badpkg: rules extract failed with exit code 1
[08:02] <seb128> doing an apt source gsfonts-x11 here works fine
[08:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected nautilus-dropbox [source] (kinetic-proposed) [2019.02.14-1ubuntu2]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: aad-auth [riscv64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [0.3] (no packageset)
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted aad-auth [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [0.3]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted aad-auth [armhf] (kinetic-proposed) [0.3]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted aad-auth [riscv64] (kinetic-proposed) [0.3]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted aad-auth [arm64] (kinetic-proposed) [0.3]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted aad-auth [s390x] (kinetic-proposed) [0.3]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted aad-auth [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed) [0.3]
[09:01] <ricotz> seb128, hey, maybe caused by the launchpad outage?
[09:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-sutton.newell-cagatay-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[09:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-sutton.newell-cai-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[09:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-sutton.newell-cagney-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[09:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-sutton.newell-caia-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.10~20.04.1]
[09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [armhf] (focal-proposed) [1.10~20.04.1]
[09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [riscv64] (focal-proposed) [1.10~20.04.1]
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[09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [s390x] (focal-proposed) [1.10~20.04.1]
[09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [1.10~20.04.1]
[09:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lttng-modules [source] (focal-proposed) [2.12.5-1ubuntu2~20.04.4]
[09:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lttng-modules [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.13.1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[09:53] <seb128> paride, jibel, hey, I'm trying to poke at why we didn't have a desktop iso promoted since august, checking on venonat the load is at 17 and top shows
[09:53] <seb128> 16162 libvirt+  20   0 2803068 107160  19180 S 100.3  0.2  11568:16 qemu-system-x86
[09:53] <seb128> 18557 libvirt+  20   0 2800036  70260  19152 S 100.3  0.1  13061:55 qemu-system-x86
[09:53] <seb128> 21374 libvirt+  20   0 2803068  29648  19236 S 100.3  0.0  20207:32 qemu-system-x86
[09:53] <seb128> those 10k+ times sounds like an issue
[09:53] <seb128> should we stop them? what's the proper way to do it?
[10:10] <jbicha> seb128: fonts-urw-base35 in -proposed provides the gsfonts packages now so we would need to ignore that autopkgtest and later remove the gsfonts source package
[10:12] <seb128> jbicha, would be nice if syncs would show the actually changelog entries which got synced on the mailinglist
[10:12] <seb128> jbicha, also shouldn't that kind of change require a ffe at this point of the cycle?
[10:14] <ricotz> hi :), could someone take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-media-driver/+bug/1990373
[10:15] <jbicha> yes, I'll file a ffe for it later today
[10:16] <rs2009> jbicha: gnome-shell's finally gone, and the build's working great
[10:16] <rs2009> thanks jbicha, vorlon and sil2100 :)
[10:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-sutton.simon-cais-meta [sync] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[10:16] <jbicha> rs2009: congratulations!
[10:17] <sil2100> Wooohoo!
[10:17] <rs2009> jbicha: thank you! just one minor issue I found: the firefox snap doesn't seem to get installed, despite it being present in the seed
[10:17] <rs2009> gonna take a look now
[10:18] <sil2100> rs2009: oh, there's always something to fix o/ ;)
[10:18] <rs2009> sil2100: yep indeed lol
[10:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: oem-sutton.simon-cais-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [20.04~ubuntu1] (canonical-oem-metapackages)
[10:19] <rs2009> sil2100: also, was wondering why https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-unity/daily-live/20220922.3/ wasn't automatically bumped up to daily-live/current
[10:19] <paride> seb128, hey, I'm having a look there
[10:22] <paride> seb128, I doubt it's only a load thing, the server images are all testing fine on the same machine
[10:29] <seb128> paride, right, but I wanted to start a desktop job and attach virt-manager to it so see what's going on, it's just that with the load and the number of active jobs it's not really working
[10:34] <paride> seb128, for some reason the desktop iso testing jobs are sometimes leaving lingering VMs behind. That, plus the fact that venonat has spinning rust storage doesn't help with the load
[10:38] <seb128> paride, can we clean out those long time active ones or restart the machine/instance to get a fresh state?
[10:38] <paride> seb128, yep I cleaned those up already
[10:39] <paride> now I'm waiting for the one to debug to come up
[11:09] <seb128> paride, k, I see the load is correct and I can connect with virt-manager now, let me know if you figure out something
[11:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-sutton.newell-abdiel-meta [sync] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[11:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: oem-sutton.newell-abdiel-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [20.04~ubuntu1] (canonical-oem-metapackages)
[11:21] <paride> seb128, I saw a kernel panic in the post-install reboot, and I see some errors in the install logs, e.g. ubiquity: zstd: error 25 : Write error : No space left on device
[11:21] <paride> see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8mWgckq7BV/ line 5425
[11:21] <paride> however I didn't see 100% full partitions and we install in a 10GB image
[11:22] <paride> however let me try to bump that...
[11:22] <paride> there was less than 1GB free in /target
[11:23] <paride> so hopefully it's that easy
[11:32] <seb128> paride, thx
[11:33] <seb128> paride, where is the target partition size defined?
[11:34] <paride> seb128, the *partition* is configured by the (preseeded) installer, the whole disk size is configured in /etc/utah/config
[11:35] <paride> the smoke test installs in "use whole disk" mode so they roughly coincide
[11:37] <seb128> paride, we are
[11:37] <seb128> paride, we are taking ~10G of disk space for a kinetic desktop install so maybe that disk needs to be increased
[11:39] <LocutusOfBorg> ubuntu-archive,  please NBS-proposed cleanup luajit/luajit2/luakit on ppc64el?
[11:39] <LocutusOfBorg> luajit on ppc64el is no-go, no matter if we try the jit or jit2 backend
[11:40] <paride> seb128, I see several messages like this in the logs: rsyslogd: action 'action-8-builtin:omfile' suspended (module 'builtin:omfile'), retry 0. There should be messages before this one giving the reason for suspension. [v8.2208.0 try https://www.rsyslog.com/e/2007 ]
[11:40] <paride> rsyslogd: action 'action-8-builtin:omfile' resumed (module 'builtin:omfile') [v8.2208.0 try https://www.rsyslog.com/e/2359 ]
[11:40] <paride> These I have no idea of what they are. See https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rcKpbMTH3k/
[11:44] <paride> in any case it seems to be behaving better now
[11:44] <paride> let's see if the test actually passes
[11:45] <seb128> paride, fingers crossed
[11:52] <paride> sil2100, passed and promoted! https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/
[11:52] <sil2100> seb128: ^
[11:53] <paride> oops sorry
[11:53] <paride> seb128, it's an image of a couple of days ago because of these failures https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/kinetic/ubuntu/+build/374071
[11:54] <seb128> paride, great, thanks!
[11:56] <seb128> paride, so you increased the target disk now?
[11:56] <paride> seb128, yes, to 12GB
[11:57] <seb128> paride, 👍
[11:57] <paride> rs2009, apparently the ubuntu-unity 20220922.3 build didn't go well: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-unity/kinetic/daily-live-20220922.3.log
[11:58] <paride> so maybe that's why it's not under pending/ nor current/
[11:58] <sil2100> ohoho, someone did a typo in the cdimage code!
[11:58] <paride> well it did go well it's the publishing that didn't go well
[11:58] <sil2100> Let me fix that
[11:58] <paride> int / inT :)
[11:59] <cjwatson> Somebody was naughty and didn't run ./run-tests?
[11:59] <sil2100> Apparently
[11:59] <cjwatson> Though I think people have not been keeping the test suite working in general ...
[11:59] <cjwatson> Might be worth some gardening time to sort that out
[12:00] <rs2009> ic
[12:00] <sil2100> A few months ago I did make it green again, since it was failing due to some bad test cases (assuming certain series), not sure if it's still green
[12:01] <cjwatson> When I tried running it just now it looked like there were maybe some missing mocks around simplestreams or something.  It was trying to actually do publishing on my laptop.
[12:01] <sil2100> rs2009: let me trigger a new build
[12:40] <seb128> could I get a +1 on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/1989359 ?
[12:41] <seb128> I'm writting the email to the documentation team
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-sutton.newell-abdiel-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-sutton.simon-cais-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[12:55] <sil2100> seb128: done o/
[12:56] <seb128> sil2100, thanks!
[12:58] <blackboxsw> sil2100: if there is SRU vanguard review time today. cloud-init has a supplemental -proposed upload queued for 22.3.3 for Bionic|Focal|Jammy with a minor bug fix release for bugs found during SRU validation of proposed. LP: #1987318
[12:59] <sil2100> blackboxsw: looking o.
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-signed (bionic-proposed/main) [1.167~18.04.5 => 1.173.2~18.04.1] (core) (sync)
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-signed (focal-proposed/main) [1.167.2 => 1.173.2~20.04.1] (core) (sync)
[13:44] <RikMills> sil2100: can we get this landed? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4927
[14:12] <coreycb> jbicha: ginggs: the error that the new alembic triggered for zaqar autopkgtests appears to be due to no nameservers defined in /etc/resolv.conf. interestingly it only fails on arm64, which seems to be the only architecture that runs in a container.
[14:24] <utkarsh2102> coreycb: eeks. But if they fail now, they should be failing all this while, no? What’s different?
[14:26] <coreycb> utkarsh2102: it's quite possibly taking a new code path but I guess if it is expected that /etc/resolv.conf in the test machine will not container nameservers, then I may skip that arch.
[14:26] <coreycb> s/container/contain/
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xorg-server (jammy-proposed/main) [2:21.1.3-2ubuntu2.1 => 2:21.1.3-2ubuntu2.2] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist, xorg)
[15:01] <sil2100> blackboxsw: oh, so that's an SRU on top of the current SRU? Got it
[15:02] <sil2100> RikMills: so... I sadly didn't have the time to dig into the code, didn't find any obvious workaround. Could we do the trick with copying uim over manually and the rest via Bileto?
[15:02] <sil2100> RikMills: sorry for that
[15:02] <sil2100> I'm a bit all over the place because of my incoming vacation
[15:03] <blackboxsw> yes thanks sil2100 yeah resolved the bugs while in before officially published into -updates
[15:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (jammy-proposed) [22.3.3-0ubuntu1~22.04.1]
[15:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (focal-proposed) [22.3.3-0ubuntu1~20.04.1]
[15:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gallery-dl [source] (jammy-backports) [1.23.0-1~bpo22.04.1]
[15:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted yt-dlp [source] (jammy-backports) [2022.09.01-1~bpo22.04.1]
[15:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gallery-dl [source] (focal-backports) [1.23.0-1~bpo20.04.1]
[15:46] <tjaalton> I'd need a review of the mesa ffe, bug 1990387
[15:49] <blackboxsw> excellent thx sil2100 on cloud-init
[15:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (bionic-proposed/main) [27.10.1~18.04.1 => 27.11~18.04.1] (core)
[15:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (jammy-proposed/main) [27.10.1~22.04.1 => 27.11~22.04.1] (core)
[15:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (focal-proposed/main) [27.10.1~20.04.1 => 27.11~20.04.1] (core)
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected etcd [source] (focal-proposed) [3.2.26+dfsg-6ubuntu0.1]
[16:29] <rbasak> ^ I'm looking at ubuntu-advantage-tools as I reviewed it prior to upload already
[16:30] <renanrodrigo> rbasak: thanks!
[16:30] <renanrodrigo> I don't see it in the queue for Xenial - how was this sorted last time?
[16:31] <rbasak> I was about to ask
[16:31] <rbasak> paride: ^ no upload for Xenial?
[16:37] <bdmurray> coreycb: We saw an issue with name resolution on armhf lxd containers recently
[16:38] <bdmurray> paride: ^
[16:39] <coreycb> bdmurray: oh interesting, maybe that's what we're hitting
[16:40] <bdmurray> coreycb: Is there a log file we can look at?
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (bionic-proposed) [27.11~18.04.1]
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (jammy-proposed) [27.11~22.04.1]
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (focal-proposed) [27.11~20.04.1]
[16:41] <coreycb> bdmurray: this is all I have currently, but the traceback and looking at the code seem pretty clear that there's no nameserver defined in /etc/resolv.conf<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:43] <bdmurray> coreycb: Oh armhf? just retry it
[16:43] <bdmurray> You'd previously said arm64
[16:43] <bdmurray> I'm retrying it
[16:44] <coreycb> ah, yes. thanks. I think I retried yesterday but don't recall and maybe it's fixed since then.
[16:44] <bdmurray> The logs I saw were from the 19th and we switched image providers on the 20th-ish
[16:47] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: "luajit is no-go" - what has changed since the versions in the release pocket that did build successfully on ppc64el, why are we accepting a regression in architecture coverage?  Also, there are other ppc64el binary packages depending on libluajit-5.1-2 so this is complex enough that I think it warrants a bug report
[16:50] <vorlon> sil2100, cjwatson: I *usually* run run-tests before pushing :/
[16:50] <vorlon> sil2100, cjwatson: and yeah, sil2100 says it's green for him but I consistently get 4 failures around simplestreams which I have to accept ignoring
[16:57] <bdmurray> coreycb: I'm gonna rerun the results of this for you too 'retry-autopkgtest-regressions  --log-regex "no nameservers"'
[17:00] <coreycb> bdmurray: great, thank you
[17:14] <utkarsh2102> bdmurray, coreycb: hey, just ping me as well when we have the results, please
[17:19] <bdmurray> utkarsh2102, coreycb: the ones I retried have all passed
[17:19] <utkarsh2102> s.w.e.e.t!
[17:29] <coreycb> \o/
[17:29] <coreycb> thanks!
[17:34] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, tests were not really covering it
[17:34] <LocutusOfBorg> bugs.debian.org/1013807
[17:35] <LocutusOfBorg> bugs.debian.org/1004511
[17:35] <LocutusOfBorg> bugs.debian.org/1012362
[17:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (xenial-proposed/main) [27.10.1~16.04.1 => 27.11~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[18:29] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: so the ppc64el binaries in the archive that depend on libluajit are broken?  Do these packages need source fixes to replace them with non-jit?
[19:59] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: aegisub was fixed in unstable to not build against luajit on ppc64el; looking at the others
[20:00] <vorlon> snort removed from testing, Debian bug #1019230
[20:19] <vorlon> ok how does vcmi get a runtime dep on libluajit without build-depending on lua
[20:20] <vorlon> ah n/m I was looking at jammy sources
[20:21] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: ok luajit revdeps removed (includes luakit), doing luajit now and then will look at luajit2
[20:29] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: as far as I can tell there are no binaries depending on luajit2 that don't also depend on luajit (which I find super weird).  I'll let my removals from above propagate and then recheck.
[21:27] <jbicha> ubuntu-archive: see the request in #ubuntu-devel
[22:28] <rs2009> vorlon and jbicha: the Firefox snap doesn't seem to get installed for Ubuntu Unity, despite being present in the seed (and isn't mentioned even once in the ISO build logs, even though it's present in the all.snaps file in the germinate-output folder)
[22:33] <bdmurray> rs2009: where are you seed files?
[22:35] <vorlon> rs2009: missing declaration of BASE_SEED in livecd-rootfs
[22:35] <bdmurray> found it
[22:35] <rs2009> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity7maintainers/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu-unity
[22:36] <rs2009> vorlon: ah, didn't realise it had to be set too. thanks :)
[22:37] <vorlon> too many places that need touched, so I'm refactoring this one
[22:39] <vorlon> rs2009: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/2.782
[22:53] <mwhudson> vorlon: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/2.782 <- https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+ref/expand-task fixes this flavour of bs too!!
[22:53] <mwhudson> (i think anyway)
[22:54] <vorlon> mwhudson: hah.  Does that still apply cleanly?
[22:55] <mwhudson> vorlon: not sure. probably not the appropriate time in the cycle to land it :)
[22:55] <vorlon> I could be convinced otherwise
[22:55] <vorlon> -                SEED=kubuntu-active.$SUITE
[22:55] <vorlon> 113	+                FLAVOUR=kubuntu-active
[22:55] <vorlon> shouldn't this all be collapsed to FLAVOUR="$PROJECT" tho
[22:56] <vorlon> or even just lose the intermediate $FLAVOUR
[22:57] <vorlon> ah I guess the current code handles ubuntu-server -> ubuntu.  Anyway, lots of repetition there :)
[22:59] <mwhudson> vorlon: i rebased the branch, not remotely tested obv
[23:00] <mwhudson> heh i need to account for the ubuntu-unity project i guess
[23:02] <mwhudson> also heh the only reference to BASE_SEED left starts with this particularly fantastic line of code:
[23:02] <mwhudson> if [ -n "${BASE_SEED}" ] && [ -n "${BASE_SEED}" ]; then
[23:03] <mwhudson> (i have no idea what the rest of that block is doing)
[23:08] <vorlon> lolol
[23:09] <ogra> doublechecksafe !


[00:29] <Skaag> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 8.04 on a machine with an Intel 82576 NIC (drive name is 'igb')
[00:30] <Skaag> It doesn't detect the network card
[00:32] <Skaag> I can only find a driver for Redhat & Suse, on SuperMicro's site
[00:45] <ziesemer> Skaag what is SuperMicro? Can't you get a driver directly from Intel?
[00:45] <Skaag> I don't really know how to do that
[00:46] <Skaag> what to get
[00:46] <Skaag> how to prepare it so that Hardy's Install CD will see it
[00:46] <twb> A driver for what?
[00:46] <Skaag> for Intel's 82576 network card ('igb' module)
[00:46] <Skaag> It works in Jaunty
[00:47] <Skaag> but I'm supposed to install 8.04 LTS on this box
[00:47] <Skaag> I wish I could just install Karmic on it
[00:47] <ziesemer> Just install Hardy.  It doesn't need the network to work right away.
[00:47] <Skaag> and then?
[00:47] <twb> Skaag: it's part of the mainline kernel
[00:47] <twb> Skaag: to get it to work on Hardy, you'll need to install a non-Hardy kernel
[00:48] <Skaag> I see
[00:48] <ziesemer> Can't he install as a module otherwise?
[00:48] <Skaag> if I mount the karmic cd?
[00:48] <twb> ziesemer: if it was packages as a standalone module, perhaps.
[00:48] <Skaag> can I install its kernel  on hardy?
[00:48] <twb> ziesemer: as it is, I don't know.
[00:48] <ziesemer> I'm looking on Intel...
[00:49] <ziesemer> They always seem to have pretty good Linux support.
[00:49] <twb> Skaag: it's usually a very bad idea to install packages -- especially low-level packages -- from a different release.
[00:49] <twb> ziesemer: good support means that it's in the kernel, not that you download a shitty third-party driver.
[00:49] <twb> Installing third-party drivers is also a good way to make your system unstable.
[00:50] <ziesemer> Yes, exactly:  http://downloadcenter.intel.com/detail_desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=13663
[00:50] <ziesemer> twb:  It may not be exactly desired, but it'll meet his requirements.
[00:51] <ziesemer> Skaag:  There's a readme in the download.  Just compile and follow the instructions after you install Hardy.
[00:51] <twb> Skaag: what's your reason for running Hardy?
[00:51] <ziesemer> It's not like it's a "binary BLOB", as used with some video drivers.
[00:51] <Skaag> I need to compile this on another 8.04 that works already and is connected, right?
[00:51] <ziesemer> Hardy is also LTS, remember.
[00:51] <Skaag> twb: It's requested by some company I work with
[00:52] <twb> ziesemer: yes, that's my guess.
[00:52] <Skaag> They want 8.04 because it's LTS
[00:52] <ziesemer> Skaag:  You could, but I'd just run it on the machine you need it on.
[00:52] <twb> Skaag: what I'd tell the company is that you can install 8.04, but you'll need an out-of-band driver -- or you can install a non-LTS release and upgrade to 10.04 in a few months.
[00:53] <twb> Both suck, so IMO it's best to leave the decision to the customer
[00:56] <ziesemer> I just went through all this on a system with a Realtek network card.  My only issue was that the r8169 driver from Realtek's web site wasn't updated yet for the latest 2.6.31 kernel, so it won't compile without some patchwork, or until Realtek updates it.  In this case, Intel last updated the driver just last month, so I doubt you'll have any issues.
[00:59] <Skaag> ziesemer: I need to find a way to copy it there... along with build-essential... without a network!
[01:00] <Skaag> 10.04 is the next LTS?
[01:00] <Skaag> how long until that's out?
[01:05] <ziesemer> 10.04 would be roughly April 2010.
[01:05] <pting> is it just my network, or is amazon.com down?
[01:06] <ziesemer> Skaag:  Especially if you use the DVD installation of hardy, you should have most everything you need available, including build-essential.
[01:06] <ziesemer> pting:  It's just your network.  :-)
[01:07] <ziesemer> Skaag:  Otherwise, you can always "sneaker-net" the packages, using a USB flash drive, etc.  Or just temporarily install a compatible network card.
[01:07] <Skaag> I don't have physical access to the machine, just IPMI, so I can connect my local cd-rom, and my local flopy
[01:07] <Skaag> floppy
[01:07] <Skaag> all the iso files are on my laptop here
[01:09] <ziesemer> Well, after you complete the initial install, you can always create new .iso's containing the files you need, if necessary.
[01:16] <twb> Skaag: can you have a waldo add a second NIC to the machine temporarily?
[01:17] <twb> Skaag: or use IP-over-1394?
[01:17] <twb> If it has to be via CD, you can use jigdo to create a CD with the packages you need.
[01:29] <Skaag> jigdo sounds like the only option I have
[01:33] <twb> What kind of box is this?
[01:33] <twb> Normally I would just slap in an e100 for a few months, then upgrade to 10.04
[01:34] <Skaag> 10.04 is available now?
[01:34] <Skaag> ok sorry
[01:34] <Skaag> don't answer that
[01:34] <Skaag> I just re-read what you wrote
[01:34] <Skaag> I'm just really tired
[01:34] <Skaag> there's nobody I can speak to right now, so I can't have anything put into the server
[01:36] <twb> I hate hardware
[01:37] <Skaag> oh man, so do I
[01:37] <twb> When computers run entirely in software, I'll be happy
[01:37] <Skaag> every hardware manufacturer and his own stupid proprietary crap
[01:37] <ziesemer> They do.  Enter virtualization.  :-)
[01:37] <twb> ziesemer: SOMEONE is still responsible for the hardware
[01:38] <Skaag> I actually believe in Open Source hardware
[01:38] <Skaag> And its adoption by companies
[01:38] <Skaag> like, ok, here's a standard for implementing a network card
[01:38] <Skaag> and companies will just make cards to that spec
[01:38] <twb> There are like four pieces of fully open hardware
[01:39] <twb> Everything else just has open drivers and -- if you're lucky -- a well-documented ABI
[01:52] <neezer> hello
[02:14] <ziesemer> I had to replace a failed motherboard with a different replacement, so a new on-board LAN controller.  My configured VLAN is no longer receiving traffic, but everything else is working.  Just ruled out driver issues, as it works on a reinstall to a different hard drive.  Is there anything else that needs to be cleared out due to this, e.g. a MAC address stored somewhere?
[02:22] <twb> ziesemer: yes
[02:22] <twb> ziesemer: udev remembers MAC -> interface name mappings
[02:23] <twb> ziesemer: delete the relevant file in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[02:23] <twb> Or reconfigure everything to operate on eth2
[02:23] <ziesemer> twb: Done, both ways.
[02:23] <twb> That's the only place the MAC is stored on a typical 8.04 system
[02:23] <twb> s/system/server/
[02:24] <ziesemer> Originally tried removing the old rules, to keep everything on eth0 and eth0.*.  Then tried moving to eth1 and eth1.*, in case there was something funny about eth0.
[02:24] <ziesemer> Is actually a Karmic / 9.10 system.
[02:25] <ziesemer> Or what else can I do to essentially "reset the network" without having to re-install the entire system?  (It works on a fresh install to a new HD.)
[02:25] <twb> I have no experience with non-LTS releases, sorry
[02:27] <ScottK> ziesemer: I'd grep -r "[MAC address]" * in /etc
[02:28] <ScottK> I think I was running Feisty the last time I had deal with this.
[02:33] <ziesemer> Only result is in the /etc/udev/rules.d, which I already edited.
[02:34] <ziesemer> I guess a reinstall won't hurt, except for the time.  But I'll probably make up for it by the time I figure this out.  But I really want to figure this out, in case it happens again...
[02:35] <ScottK> You did restart the machine after editing that, right?
[02:36] <ziesemer> Yep.
[04:05] <neezer> hello
[04:05] <neezer> does anyone here know much about getting remote desktop to work via ssh?
[04:09] <ziesemer> By Remote Desktop, do you mean the Windows tool?  I.E., using SSH to secure your RDP traffic?
[04:09] <neezer> I'm not sure.
[04:09] <neezer> I just want to be able to see the desktop on my media server and use my mouse on it in a window.
[04:10] <neezer> I am not exactly sure how I was doing it before, but I had it working with putty on vista. now i just have ubuntu on my laptop with ubuntu also on my server box.
[04:12] <twb> ziesemer: on Windows, RDP is called "tsclient"
[04:12] <ziesemer> twb:  Yes, but that's not what he's looking for here.
[04:12] <twb> neezer: if your media server runs Linux, the easiest thing is to use VNC (over SSH, for security).
[04:13] <ziesemer> neezer: Well, that's kind of off-topic for here, but especially if you're doing Linux -> Linux, you'd either want X11 forwarding, or probably VNC.  Check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC .
[04:13] <neezer> how do I do that?
[04:13] <twb> "ssh -fX fs oowriter" is also pretty easy, I guess :-)
[04:15] <neezer> I guess I have been doing x11 forwarding. I have been opening things like gedit, firefox just to test it, fahmon.
[04:15] <twb> neezer: that's X forwarding, yes
[04:17] <neezer> I read somewhere that i could use the command gnome-desktop when ssh'd into my server to see the desktop...it gives me errors.
[04:17] <twb> X forwarding just runs applications (or even an entire desktop) remotely.
[04:18] <twb> It doesn't let you view what's on another desktop -- for that, you need VNC
[04:18] <twb> But as ziesemer points out, GUI stuff is off-topic here.
[04:21] <neezer> I guess I'm missing something. You are saying that x forwarding would allow me to run an entire desktop. then right after it you say it doesn't let me view another desktop.
[04:22] <twb> neezer: GNU/Linux can display an arbitrary number of desktops concurrently
[04:24] <neezer> I think I get it.
[04:25] <neezer> if someone were logged into my server at home while I was away, we couldn't share the same desktop and watch each other do work with x forwarding.
[04:25] <neezer> in order for two people to view the same desktop you need vnc?
[04:26] <twb> neezer: or some other desktop *export* system
[04:26] <twb> VNC is the only one that's widely available
[04:26] <neezer> i see.
[04:26] <neezer> so using x forwarding I should be able to pull up a desktop and control it remotely with ssh?
[04:26] <twb> neezer: yes.
[04:26] <neezer> cause that is really all I need.
[04:26] <neezer> thank you.
[04:26] <twb> For example, you could run Firefox remotely
[04:27] <neezer> yes. and I have.
[04:27] <twb> Except for thin clients, you wouldn't normally forward an entire desktop
[04:27] <neezer> I just run into problems when I try to run the desktop.
[04:27] <neezer> oh.
[04:28] <neezer> so I need to go to ubuntu-gui??
[04:28] <twb> Dunno
[05:43] <maxgqc> i'm running a wisp (wireless isp). I have a linux bridge proxy cache server between my router and the lan/wlan. I'd like to get statistics on bandwidth usage of each station. Does anyone know something that could do that ?
[05:54] <ziesemer> So my VLAN issues appear to be due to the physical interface being part of a bridge (bridge_ports in /etc/network/interfaces).  If I remove the bridge, then everything works as expected.  Could this be driver specific?  (It worked with my old motherboard, same installation.)
[05:54] <twb> I've only ever put a bridge on a vlan, not the other way around
[05:55] <ziesemer> Well, I need to bridge VirtualBox to the "untagged VLAN".
[05:56] <ziesemer> So previously, I had eth0 (physical), eth0.5 (vlan), vbox0, and br0.  br0 was made of eth0 and vbox0.
[05:56] <ziesemer> Right now, VirtualBox isn't even in the equation.  The moment I add only eth0 to a bridge "br0", the VLAN transmits, but no longer receives traffic.
[05:58] <twb> ziesemer: that would be a bridge on top of eth0.0
[05:58] <twb> Or eth0.1 or whatever your untagged vlan is
[05:59] <twb> Hmm, does Linux use raw "eth0" for untagged packets?
[05:59] <ziesemer> "eth0" was working for me, prior to replacing the Motherboard and getting a new network controller/driver.
[05:59] <ziesemer> Should eth0.0 work?
[05:59] <ziesemer> Maybe that's my entire issue?
[06:00] <twb> As "ip addr" which interfaces have IPs
[06:00] <twb> Here, eth0.0 and eth0.1 have IPs
[06:00] <twb> (that's on a 2.4 kernel OpenWRT)
[06:00] <ziesemer> I'll try declaring my "eth0" as "eth0.0" instead...
[06:07] <ziesemer> Seems like it must be eth0.0000 .  This fixed communication on my VLAN.  But now I have no communication on the untagged VLAN...
[06:08] <ziesemer> Basically same as before.  eth0.0000 is transmitting traffic, but not receiving.
[06:15] <ziesemer> Looks like someone else had my issue<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:24] <Jeeves_> ziesemer: Is that box using udev too?
[06:24] <ziesemer> "that box"?  Yes, I'm using udev, I think...
[06:26] <ziesemer> Basically, I mostly solved my previous "VLAN" issue.  It appeared that VLAN was broke on my new network controller with different drivers.  However, it is only "broke" when I attempt to bridge the untagged (physical) interface.
[06:27] <Jeeves_> ziesemer: Udev might be renaming your interface
[06:27] <Jeeves_> look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[06:27] <ziesemer> I don't think this is the issue here...
[06:28] <Jeeves_> If your old interface is mentioned in there, you might get weird results
[06:28] <ziesemer> I've now reinstalled since the motherboard replacement.
[06:28] <ziesemer> That rule file has only one line for my physical adapter, naming it to eth0, which I believe is correct for my setup (?).
[06:28] <Jeeves_> Ah ok
[06:29] <Jeeves_> I've never experienced the issues you describe above
[06:30] <ziesemer> Do you have a setup with both bridging and vlans?
[06:31] <Jeeves_> Yes, although without a native vlan
[06:31] <Jeeves_> But i've had that before
[06:31] <ziesemer> As did I - before I had to replace hardware...
[06:31] <Jeeves_> ziesemer: What switching hardware are you using?
[06:32] <Jeeves_> Should be a real issue if you push it tagged to the switch, iirc
[06:32] <ziesemer> A Dell PowerConnect.  Guess I could just reconfigure it to send all untagged traffic to this box as a new tag...
[06:33] <Jeeves_> iirc, with Cisco, if you put the native vlan tagged in the trunk as well, it'll stop using the native vlan and start using the tag
[06:33] <Jeeves_> Not completely sure though
[06:34] <Jeeves_> Anyway, have to go
[06:34] <ziesemer> At least on the PowerConnect, the "untagged" traffic is actually VLAN1 - which is just configured to untag on all ports by default...
[06:34] <ziesemer> Thanks for the insight.
[06:34] <Jeeves_> np, good luck
[08:20] <quietone> newbie here. I'm trying to setup a home network to run a calendar for the family. I followed instructions at UbuntuGeek and it seems to work fine on the host machine (mine). But I can't get another machine to access the calendar or publish.  I've skimmed the server guide but it doesn't seem to fit what I am trying to do.
[08:36] <twb> quietone: what kind of calendar?
[08:37] <twb> The traditional kind of email-based BSD calendaring is, I suspect, not what you mean
[08:38] <Aison> hello
[08:38] <Aison> how can I bring rsyslogd to accept external logmessages over network?
[08:38] <Aison> I uncommented this lines in rsyslog.conf
[08:38] <twb> Aison: isn't that covered in the ubuntu server guide?
[08:38] <Aison> $ModLoad imudp
[08:38] <Aison> $UDPServerRun 514
[08:38] <quietone> I found a page describing how to set up a remote calendar using webDAV and mozilla songbird
[08:38] <Aison> but it dont help
[08:39] <twb> quietone: ITYM sunbird (iceowl).
[08:40] <Aison> twb, maybe? but where?!
[08:40] <twb> Lemme look...
[08:41] <quietone> twb: ? new to chat too and don't know what you are saying
[08:41] <twb> quietone: the Mozilla calendar application is called "sunbird", not "songbird".
[08:42] <twb> Aison: I can't find a mention of it, so ignore me.
[08:42] <quietone> twb: yes, it was a typo.
[08:43] <twb> quietone: where is this page you're reading?
[08:44] <quietone> twb: i'll be a minute as I figure out tinyurl again ... and help a child who just called....
[08:48] <quietone> twb: I used this:   http://tinyurl.com/yfc2xpj
[08:49] <qman__> quietone, well I see the problem
[08:49] <qman__> that doc is from november 2007
[08:49] <qman__> stuff has changed a lot in the last two years
[08:50] <quietone> qman__: ok, where do I start?
[08:51] <qman__> well, I haven't set anything like that up, but you should always start with official documentation first
[08:51] <qman__> the ubuntu server guide, official help and wiki, etc
[08:52] <quietone> qman__: I have read through the ubuntu server guide and it hasn't help me.
[08:52] <qman__> ok, well it looks like a pretty straightforward setup from what I've read so far
[08:53] <qman__> I don't know anything about the calendar bit but I know a lot about apache
[08:53] <qman__> first make sure it's running and what port it's on
[08:56] <quietone> qman__: thanks, yes apache2 is up and running. I have it on 80 but would like the calendar to use another, if possible so apache is listening on two ports.
[08:57] <twb> quietone: I kinda suspect you just need to tell apache to allow remote access instead of just localhost
[08:57] <qman__> quietone, that's possible but it's a little more complicated
[08:57] <qman__> you will need to create a second site configuration, using another virtualhost for it
[08:58] <qman__> but first just try to get it working
[08:58] <twb> I hate vhosting
[08:58] <quietone> qman__: that's fine I am happy to keep it simple and use 80.
[08:59] <twb> Because we don't have split-horizon DNS in the office, so the multi-homed server needs at least foo, foo.office.cybersource.com.au and foo.cybersource.com.au for any given vhost, and whoever sets up each vhost usually forgets two of the three.
[08:59] <twb> That and it means DNS needs to work in order to get to the vhosted pages
[09:00] <qman__> yeah, it can get frustrating when stuff just doesn't want to work
[09:00] <qman__> and I always end up having to mess with /etc/hosts to get apache to stop complaining
[09:00] <qman__> even when DNS is correct
[09:01] <qman__> quietone, the next step is to make sure you're answering web requests, so open up http://localhost/ on the server if you have a browser on it, and open up the server's name on the other computer
[09:02] <qman__> if you get an "It Works!" page or a directory listing, you're good
[09:02] <qman__> on both machines that is, if only localhost works we've narrowed the problem
[09:03] <quietone> qman__: it works on the host only with <IP_ADDRESS>. Both machines fail with my static ip address.
[09:03] <qman__> ok
[09:04] <qman__> I'm guessing you don't have a firewall configured, and in that case apache would only be listening on localhost
[09:04] <qman__> run the following and paste (or pastebin if it's long) the result
[09:04] <qman__> grep -R "Listen" /etc/apache2
[09:05] <quietone> We have three machines behind a router for a firewall.
[09:05] <qman__> I mean on the machine running the calender
[09:05] <qman__> are both the server and client behind the same router?
[09:06] <quietone> yes. since I don't know pastebin yet. Can I just confirm that apache only knows about <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:06] <qman__> well
[09:07] <quietone> qman__: Yes server and client (my machine) are behind the same router.
[09:07] <qman__> if you have any Listen lines (that aren't commented out) that specify an IP address, change them to only specify the port
[09:07] <qman__> grep -R shows you which file each line is in
[09:07] <qman__> if none of them are specifying an IP, then you need to check the site virtualhost configuration
[09:08] <qman__> which, with only one default site, should be *:80
[09:08] <quietone> ok i'll be a few minutes
[09:12] <quietone> qman: both my machine and my partner's' now get the "It works" with my static IP. Yippy!
[09:12] <qman__> great
[09:13] <qman__> hopefully the calendar will work now
[09:13] <qman__> DAV and sunbird are beyond my expertise, so if apache's working that's all the help I can provide anyway
[09:17] <quietone> qman__: you've been extremely helpful. we just tested and hubby got to the calendar! that is all we want to do!
[09:18] <j416> Hi. Does anyone know of a good guide on how to set up a CA and create a root certificate?
[09:20] <qman__> j416, https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html
[09:20] <j416> qman__: thank you! reading
[09:21] <j416> perfect
[09:21] <j416> this'll do
[09:21] <j416> I hope
[09:22] <qman__> it really boils down to just a few commands to get going, but you need to understand what's really going on, that's why it's a bit wordy
[09:22] <qman__> CA part is below the certificate part
[09:23] <j416> yeah I found it
[09:23] <j416> thanks
[09:23] <j416> I understand the concepts, but not the complicated syntax
[09:23] <qman__> lots of options
[09:24] <j416> indeed
[11:17] <mcas> hi again
[11:18] <mcas> is there a package for icinga?
[11:18] <mcas> or is it ok if i try to build one?
[11:30] <_ruben> !info icinga
[11:50] <Thugal> icinga is an interesting project, adding some functionality to nagios that has been very slow in coming.  But version 1.0 was released on the 16th of this month.  I'm not aware of anyone packaging it yet
[12:08] <mcas> Thugal: i could try the build
[16:43] <blistov> anyone have openvas-server running on karmic WITH a plugin feed?
[16:43] <blistov> I seem to be missing the binaries to sync.
[16:46] <blistov> nvm.  bug #486790
[17:35] <Matuku> I've just made a bit of a boo-boo whilst messing around with my server; I think i've managed to strip my main account of sudo priveleges...
[17:37] <ScottK> Do you have physical access to the box?
[17:38] <Matuku> No screen attached atm but if necessary I could get one
[17:43] <Matuku> I was attempting to add the user to a new group but forget the -a so it's stripped it from all the others
[17:53] <ScottK> You can reboot and locally select the recovery option.  That'll give you a root shell you can fix it with.
[17:55] <Matuku_14> What do I need to do? Just add them to admin group again?
[17:57] <ScottK> Should be.
[17:58] <Matuku_14> Seems to have done it :)
[18:08] <Mrseek> hello
[18:08] <Mrseek> is there any good documentation on the upstart process for ubuntu ?
[18:26] <tesseracter> im putting my 2 ssds on raid0, with backup to a 2tb external, and want to figure out what settings would be best in terms of stripe size and such.
[19:06] <Hypnoz> in the command "find . -name file -exec chgrp woot {} +"  it seems I need the + at the end, but anyone know what thats for?
[19:20] <Hypnoz> http://www.linuxjokes.com/


 The position has just been released. It was just sent to the Durban LUG, otherwise I can forward the email to you
[08:26] <Maaz> Squirm: Sure, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[08:37] <Squirm> for those interested in a job opportunity. good start for your IT career(I've been here just under 3 years already)
[08:37] <Squirm> http://www.isasa.org/vacancies/listing/it-intern
[08:43] <TinuvaMac> how much would something like that pay?
[08:44] <TinuvaMac> out of interest sake only, since I am sure it is far below what I get now
[08:46] <Squirm> decent enough salary. I'm paying off my car at the moment
[08:46] <Squirm> and free board and lodging
[08:46] <Squirm> it's a good starting point
[09:14] <TinuvaMac> if i was just starting out, it would be awesome indeed
[09:14] <TinuvaMac> been over 7 years in the ISP industry now
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> where are you based? and what do you do?
[09:19] <TinuvaMac> cape town, like I said, ISP business, do anything from networking, to *nix sysadmin
[09:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.hetzner.co.za/careers/career-opportunities, if you are looking for something
[09:35] <TinuvaMac> thats close to my house too
[09:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> we just moved
[09:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> Tygervalley, so probably still close, maybe closer
[10:34] <somaunn> Hello guys
[10:35] <Kilos> hi somaunn
[10:37] <somaunn> how are things
[10:38] <somaunn> did ubuntu 14.10 get released ?
[10:39] <somaunn> brb
[10:40] <Kilos> must been released by now. Symmetria  gave a link
[10:41] <Kilos> look in last nights logs at 20.58
[10:50] <JabberwockyA19> anyone else read that it could be the last x86_32 release? I read it on a random site yesterday... don't want to spread rumours
[10:53] <Kilos-> sjoe what about old pcs
[10:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> 16.04 could be the last x86 release is what I read
[10:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> but none of the articles from any official source
[10:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: it costs money to support an architecture, it's perfectly reasonable to drop support at this stage imho
[11:01] <Kilos> yeah i spose so
[11:02] <Kilos> but thats quite a few years to go yet
[11:02] <Kilos> ill use tinycorelinux on old pcs after that
[11:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> the amd64 extensions are already just over 10 years old, I'm surprised Ubuntu have still maintained x86 for so long
[11:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> microsoft dropped it on the server side long ago
[11:03] <Kilos> im glad they did
[11:06] <TinuvaMac> ThatGraemeGuy: yeah Hetzner's new offices are super close to me, I live down Old Oak, just a bit down from Tygervalley
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> nice
[11:15] <TinuvaMac> have a friend who already works there
[11:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, who?
[11:20] <somaunn> I'm back
[11:20] <TinuvaMac> Mr Rees
[11:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, the noob
[11:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[11:22] <TinuvaMac> haha yeah he started very recently
[11:44] <JabberwockyA19> I'm all for dropping old web browser support and removing cpu support from steam that don't have relatively new instructions, since those cpu does not support apps within steam either... but I'll really miss OS support
[11:44] <JabberwockyA19> I do understand why they will need to drop support, but I'll still miss it
[11:45] <JabberwockyA19> same goes for my raspberry pi, except it never had support :P
[13:09] <bushtech2> identity problems?
[13:10] <Kilos> lol
[16:52] <Squirm> ttyl
[16:52] <Squirm> Sunday probably
[16:52] <Squirm> last weekend at home for a while
[16:56] <Rynomster> so weird being in this channel.. so much closer to home
[16:56] <Rynomster> :D
[17:27] <Kilos> lol
[17:51] <Kilos> hi smile
[18:03] <smile> hi Kilos :)
[18:04] <smile> everything in life has it purpose ;)
[18:05] <Kilos> haha
[18:17] <smile> * its :P
[18:17] <smile> Kilos: I am testing WikiList :D
[18:18] <smile> http://hugsmile.eu/en/wikilist/ :) testing wikilist on several different Linux distributions :) under mageia, it works beautifully
[18:19] <smile> also tested were debian, ubuntu, fedora and opensuse
[18:35] <Kilos> cool sami
[18:35] <Kilos> smile,
[18:36] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:57] <smile> running on manjaro/arch now :)
[19:11] <smile> bye :)
[19:12] <smile> bye :)