[05:04] <pitti> Good morning
[07:02] <mlankhorst> Hello, world!\n
[07:09] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Yo! Whatup!
[07:16] <mlankhorst> nothing much, kernel is a pain :P
[07:17] <RAOF> Hurray! :)
[07:18] <RAOF> In other pain points: looks like helgrind doesn't understand C++11 very well.
[07:23] <Ads20000> Hello, I installed Ubuntu GNOME on my Trusty installation on my Ubuntu desktop because Unity wasn't working and I noticed that the GNOME 3 PPA that claims to have the 3.12 packages for Trusty doesn't. Any chance I could help (or at the very least join the GNOME 3 team)? Thanks :)
[07:24] <Ads20000> (considering that Debian Experimental has the 3.12 packages - all I would need to do would be to move them over to Ubuntu and test them - should be fairly stable considering they've basically already been tested upstream...)
[08:05] <Laney> salut tout le monde
[08:08] <didrocks> bonjour Laney, comment vas-tu?
[08:08] <didrocks> bon week-end ? :)
[08:09] <didrocks> (you are starting to regret, right? :p)
[08:11]  * Laney summons all the knowledge of french
[08:11] <Laney> très bien!
[08:11] <didrocks> heh ;)
[08:11] <didrocks> \o/
[08:11] <Laney> et toi?
[08:11] <didrocks> très bien aussi ;)
[08:11] <didrocks> a lot of people this week-end at home
[08:12] <didrocks> (we were 7 sleeping at my home). And it was kind of geeky
[08:12] <didrocks> really nice to have seb128 around for some days as well
[08:12] <Laney> wow
[08:12] <Laney> the others were free software people?
[08:12] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[08:12] <didrocks> ubuntu-fr/gnome
[08:13] <didrocks> we were at jdll: http://www.jdll.org/
[08:13] <didrocks> which is a FLOSS "public oriented" conference + booth
[08:13] <Laney> oh cool
[08:13] <Laney> did anyone give a talk?
[08:16] <didrocks> not this year
[08:16] <didrocks> not a lot of people are coming, I became lazy and didn't submit
[08:16] <didrocks> it was more an excuse to hang out with people you know well more or less ;)
[08:18] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[08:18] <seb128> didrocks, !!! ;-)
[08:18] <didrocks> hey seb128! long time no see :)
[08:18] <Laney> ola seb128
[08:18] <seb128> indeed!
[08:19] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:19] <seb128> how are you?
[08:19] <Laney> ¿cómo estás?
[08:19] <Laney> pretty good thanks
[08:19] <Laney> the sun has come!
[08:20] <Laney> did you have a nice weekend?
[08:24] <seb128> excellent
[08:24] <seb128> Lyon is great, and stay at didrock's is awesome ;-)
[08:25] <seb128> I managed to do some 13.10 -> 14.04 upgrade for people who paid me back with beers at the conf as well
[08:25] <Laney> who needs a salary?
[08:25] <seb128> haha
[08:25] <Laney> :P
[08:25] <seb128> speaking of which
[08:26] <seb128> mvo, mmmmmvvvvvooooooo
[08:26] <seb128> you have bogs!
[08:26] <mvo> seb128: hm?
[08:26] <didrocks> mvo: bugs coming from Lyon, they are good bugs! :)
[08:26] <Laney> some of the finest tasting bugs in all of france
[08:26] <mvo> didrocks, seb128: *cough* beer bugs?
[08:26] <seb128> mvo, one of the 13.10 -> 14.04 had dist-upgrader getting down with an utf error while trying to desactivate the ppas
[08:26] <mvo> seb128: aha! what is the bugnumber?
[08:27] <seb128> let me find it back
[08:27] <didrocks> Laney: that's the spirit! ;)
[08:27] <seb128> mvo, the bt matched https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1278280
[08:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1278280 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-release-upgrader crashes with DistUpgrade/sourceslist.py", line 416, in save : UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 97-114: ordinal not in range(128)" [High,Confirmed]
[08:28] <seb128> mvo, well, apparently bdmurray fixed it in trusty,, but I guess we should SRU the fix to saucy, since people upgrading run the saucy version?
[08:28] <seb128> mvo, or is the dist-upgrader updating itself on start?
[08:28] <mvo> seb128: thanks, infinity made me work for him, once I finished that I will look at this
[08:29] <seb128> mvo, danke
[08:29] <mvo> seb128: hm, during a saucy->trusty upgrade the trusty version of the upgrader is used
[08:29] <seb128> ok, I was unsure
[08:29] <seb128> so the bug is not fixed
[08:29] <seb128> well, people said that on the report as well/reopened it
[08:29] <mvo> yeah, looks like the fix is either not working or not "enough"
[08:29]  * mvo nods
[08:29] <seb128> mvo, the other smaller issue is that g-c-c/g-s-d are not uninstalled on upgrades
[08:30] <seb128> not sure if we have a way to say "clean those if nothing depends on them"
[08:30] <mvo> seb128: aha, yeah, you mentioned that and I failed to do it, sorry
[08:30] <seb128> they are only needed if you have gdm/GNOME installed
[08:30] <seb128> no worry
[08:30] <seb128> that's really a detail
[08:30] <seb128> it's a bit of disk space
[08:30] <didrocks> I guess it's just a question of being puzzled on the dash
[08:31] <didrocks> but yeah, as seb128 a detail
[08:31] <mvo> seb128: it should be very simple, I put it on my list
[08:31] <seb128> mvo, danke
[08:31] <didrocks> said*
[08:33] <mvo> didrocks: very simple (hopefully) - u-r-u will just mark it as auto-installed and the cleanup will automatically  clean it
[08:33] <didrocks> ah nice ;)
[08:48] <jibel> seb128, salut, could someone have a look at bug 1303516
[08:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1303516 in graphite2 (Ubuntu Trusty) "ubiquity crashed with SIGSEGV in _int_malloc()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303516
[08:48] <jibel> ?
[08:50] <seb128> jibel, salut, I'm going to have a look/forward upstream, I don't think we have anyone knowing that stack though
[08:51] <jibel> seb128, I understand. It is not nice to see the installer crash on 1rst screen though
[08:51] <seb128> indeed not
[08:51] <seb128> is there an easier way to reproduce that booting an iso and running the installed in an env that is not set up for debug?
[08:53] <jibel> seb128, you can reproduce it directly on your machine. Install ubiquity-frontend-gtk and start ubiquity --greeter
[08:53] <seb128> jibel, thanks, that's going to make debugging easier
[08:54] <jibel> seb128, it will change the configuration of your locale/keyboard so be ready to revert to something you can use
[08:54] <seb128> k, I should be able to manage ;-)
[08:54] <seb128> thanks for the notice though
[08:54] <jibel> :)
[09:19] <xnox> jibel: yeah, all python people are in montreal at the moment...
[09:24] <tjaalton> unity --reset is apparently deprecated, but manpage still has it?
[09:26] <seb128> tjaalton, we welcome patches ;-)
[09:27] <jibel> xnox, do you mean they'll do a brainstorm session on this crash ? ;)
[09:28] <tjaalton> seb128: as always.. :)
[09:28] <tjaalton> just wondering what the replacement might be
[09:29] <seb128> tjaalton, not sure why they dropped it, maybe we should just add it back
[09:30] <seb128> I had to google for the gsettings reset command this w.e
[09:57] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, hi
[09:58] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I will report the bug at freedesktop.org now, as product I have chosen "xorg which is the component which I have to choose?
[10:02] <mlankhorst> server
[10:09] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, "Server/Input/Core"?
[10:09] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~beidl/unity/unity-lockscreen-gestures/+merge/215569 ?
[10:09] <mlankhorst> yeah
[10:10] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, you tell you have seen something in my log files. Can you tell me which log files? From which bug and which attachment there?
[10:11] <mlankhorst>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log iirc
[10:16] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, thanks, bug submitted as https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77426
[10:16] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 77426 in Server/Input/Core "Several touch screen issues, I do not know whether all are caused by X or not" [Normal,New]
[10:18] <mlankhorst> tkamppeter: can you look in Xorg.0.log ?
[10:22] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, will do, I am simply reproducing the problems, so that appropriate errors will get there.
[10:28] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, /var/log/Xorg.0.log attached to the bug.
[10:31] <mlankhorst> tkamppeter: odd, I thought I saw mentions of BUG_WARN_MSG(!(event->device_event.flags & TOUCH_POINTER_EMULATED), "Non-emulating touch event\n"); in a touch bug report :/
[10:33] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, any other log needed? Or are all my observations bugs in the appropriate apps?
[10:35] <mlankhorst> not sure yet..
[10:59] <didrocks> hum, I wonder if the notify-osd didn't regress
[10:59] <didrocks> I plugged back to 2 monitors
[10:59] <didrocks> ah no
[10:59] <didrocks> the behavior is just different from what I expected :)
[11:00] <didrocks> (it's only on the monitor which has the focused app, like when typing, not where the mouse is)
[11:02] <seb128> didrocks, right
[11:02] <didrocks> making sense :)
[11:02] <seb128> didrocks, before this cycle it was always on the primary monitor
[11:03] <didrocks> yeah, I was expecting that we went the "where the mouse is" proposal
[11:03] <seb128> but yeah, the new behaviour makes more sense
[11:03] <didrocks> but I prefer the real behavior actually
[11:03] <seb128> same here, sometime the cursor end up on the other screen while you are just using the keyboard
[11:17] <om26er_> question: why are apport dialog' not disabled before the release ?
[11:18] <om26er_> they seem to appear all the times, puts a bad impression on the release.
[11:18] <seb128> om26er_, wrong channel for that question
[11:18] <seb128> try to ask ev on #ubuntu-devel
[11:19] <om26er_> hmm, I thought it affecting the desktop experience ;) will try there.
[11:19] <seb128> om26er_, what sort of issues do you have? they shouldn't be that frequent, it might because you work in qa and trigger bugs often, that's less of an issue for normal users
[11:20] <om26er_> seb128, I have not enabled anything, whenever I log in I am greeted with apport 'report a problem'
[11:20] <om26er_> and they are like 3 dialogs one over the other
[11:20] <seb128> om26er_, can you ls /var/crash and share the details/bug numbers?
[11:22] <om26er_> seb128, ok, lightdm,unity-greeter and gvfsd-mtp look interesting one's
[11:22] <om26er_> I'll report that by clearing everything there and reboot .
[11:23] <seb128> om26er_, ok
[11:23] <seb128> om26er_, the bottom line is that if we don't collect reports, we don't know what to fix
[11:23] <seb128> om26er_, the best solution is to fix the bugs so apport stops prompting, not to keep the bugs and just don't tell the user about those
[11:23] <seb128> especially for user apps, when they close it's better to tell the user what happened
[11:24] <om26er_> seb128, sure, I was expecting the report a problem thing to be disabled because it has haunted people in the past (talking askubuntu etc)
[11:24] <seb128> but yeah, the tradeoff is the quality perception
[11:24] <seb128> we disable the reports to launchpad
[11:24] <seb128> not the errors collecting
[11:24] <seb128> not that other OSes do the same
[11:25] <seb128> for what it's worth I don't see apport more than 1 a week on my system (out of some issues with dev tools, like system-dbus-image hitting exceptions when I run autopilot tests)
[11:25] <seb128> so your 3 prompts at every login means your machine has specific issues
[11:26] <om26er_> brb
[11:28]  * seb128 removes ubiquity
[11:29] <seb128> Laney, thanks for taking on that bug, best is probably to report it to upstream harfbuzz
[11:29] <seb128> I think it's a good starting point
[11:29] <Laney> yeah it's hard
[11:29] <Laney> valgrind doesn't work properly on it
[11:29] <Laney> is that language Thai?
[11:39] <seb128> Laney, not sure, did you figure it out?
[11:39] <Laney> nope
[11:39] <Laney> reporting it upstream
[11:46] <seb128> Laney, it tries to apply a "mm" keyboard layout, which is "Burmese" in /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml
[11:47] <seb128> Laney, so yeah, looks like Thai could be right
[11:50] <Laney> why not burmese?
[11:50] <Laney> looks like that
[11:51] <seb128> is that a locale?
[11:51] <seb128> I didn't find a language-pack-gnome-mm :p
[11:51] <seb128> oh, it's "my"
[11:52] <Laney> yeah, myanmar
[11:52] <seb128> Gtk:ERROR:/build/buildd/gtk+3.0-3.10.8/./gtk/gtktextsegment.c:195:_gtk_char_segment_new: assertion failed: (gtk_text_byte_begins_utf8_char (text))
[11:53] <seb128> gedit doesn't like ubiquity/ubiquity/my.po
[11:53] <seb128> I've that by selecting text in there
[11:53] <seb128> could be a better/easier testcase than ubiquity
[11:53] <seb128> if that's the same issue/underlining bug
[11:57] <Laney> can't make that one happen
[12:02] <seb128> Laney, weird, happens every time for me, I just left click on the top of the file and move a bit the cursor over the text to select/deselect it
[12:03] <Laney> nope
[12:03] <seb128> k
[12:04] <seb128> well, I'm going to report that on gtk since that's where the error is from the backtrace
[12:25] <Trevinho> Laney: hey, I've just noticed that a fix that was merged some weeks ago (https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/alpha-windows-shadows-fix/+merge/213352) got deleted by the last merge... I guess there's nothing to do but an SRU, right? :(
[12:25] <Laney> Probably best, I guess you're going to do an early SRU
[12:26] <Laney> how did that happen?
[12:26] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, did you see my ping earlier?
[12:26] <Trevinho> Laney: well, one of the branches for fixing the lockscreen (not mine) was probably not well merged with trunk
[12:26] <Trevinho> seb128: ops, no
[12:26] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~beidl/unity/unity-lockscreen-gestures/+merge/215569 ?
[12:26] <seb128> Trevinho, I want to land that today, it's a security issue/should be fixed for release
[12:27] <seb128> Trevinho, can you review that change?
[12:27] <Trevinho> seb128: yes, I will check that today...
[12:27] <Trevinho> seb128: ok
[12:27] <Trevinho> seb128: any other high-prio thing you can land today?
[12:27] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks, if you can do now/not to late that would be nice, they might not wait too much
[12:27] <seb128> Trevinho, I doubt it, I'm already going to be happy if we manage to get that in, not sure if they plan to respin isos again
[12:27]  * Trevinho if his shoulder strain make him write...
[12:28] <seb128> :-(
[12:28] <seb128> what did you do?
[12:28] <Trevinho> seb128: no idea... during the night something weird happened... Maybe I just slept in the wrong position, no ieda... this morning I wasn't able to move in bed as well :o
[12:28] <seb128> urg
[12:28] <seb128> Trevinho, get better!
[12:29] <beidl> Trevinho, wouldn't it be better if hiding the launchers parent window would be taken out for now? it causes the icons as well as the hint shadow not to show up in autohide mode.
[12:29] <Trevinho> it's simliar to the stiff neck, but in the shoujlders...
[12:29] <beidl> Trevinho, get well soon!
[12:30] <Trevinho> beidl: mh, hint shadow? it was showing when I proposed it... hmmhm let me check
[12:30] <beidl> Trevinho when you drag the mouse pointer to the left edge in autohide
[12:30] <Trevinho> beidl: right it is now showing now, but couldn't that after the last change you proposed?
[12:31] <Trevinho> beidl: not point anything, I just recall it was working :)
[12:31] <beidl> Trevinho that change was just for allowing the launcher-drag-in-animation to work when using the 4 finger gesture
[12:32] <Trevinho> beidl: let me see
[12:32] <qengho> Hi all. I have a new chromium-browser, which is in universe. What are the chances I can get it into 14.04?
[12:33] <qengho> Many CVEs fixed, as usual.
[12:34] <Laney> qengho: It's on mythbuntu and kylin. Go check in #ubuntu-release
[12:34] <seb128> qengho, hey, did you hear about issues where chromium was opening a new instance with your session every time you click on an url to open it?
[12:35] <seb128> qengho, rather than opening a tab in the current instance
[12:35] <seb128> qengho, the new version from your ppa seems also quite slow (well, I didn't upgrade it since I installed it a week ago so maybe that's resolved since)
[12:35] <qengho> seb128: Was this my testing PPA?
[12:35] <seb128> yes
[12:37] <qengho> seb128: I had the testing version use a temporary directory, instead of clobbering a profile you might value. That would explain xdg-open starting new windows.
[12:37] <seb128> qengho, k, so should not happen with the archive upload? good!
[12:37] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[12:37] <didrocks> oh phew!
[12:37] <didrocks> thanks qengho, seb128 :)
[12:38] <seb128> yw!
[12:39] <qengho> didrocks, seb128, I'd be happy if you try the version in my update-staging PPA to verify it's gone.  https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/stage
[12:39] <seb128> qengho, let me try that version
[12:47] <Malsasa> Hello. My HUD on Ubuntu 12.04 doesn't work anymore. When I tap ALT, Unity opens menu of focused app. Not the HUD anymore. I can't do ALT+TAB switcher at all. Any idea for me? Thank you.
[12:55] <mvo_> seb128: no luck so far reproducing the utf8 bug you mentioned earlier
[12:56] <seb128> mvo_, we didn't have luck reproducing it either at the install party, we tried to get debug output but couldn't get it again
[12:57] <seb128> mvo_, did you try to put non ascii chars in a sources.list.d source that is going to be commented?
[12:57] <seb128> mvo_, or maybe rather than "non ascii" using "non utf8 valid"?
[13:00] <mvo_> seb128: yeah, I tried a bunch of different things, I will try harder
[13:01] <seb128> mvo_, don't spend too much effort on it, e.u.c doesn't have it ranked in the top issues so it might not be that important
[13:03] <rickspencer3> seb128, jasoncwarner what's the word on the street? everything getting settled for releasing 14.04 this week?
[13:05] <seb128> rickspencer3, hey, things look alright I think, still a few issues/things we would like to land but that's usual
[13:07] <rickspencer3> seb128 coolio
[13:07] <rickspencer3> seb128, the desktop feels very solid to me
[13:07] <rickspencer3> I've got it on 2 very different computers, and it's working really well
[13:08] <seb128> thanks, I'm quite happy with the state of things as well
[13:08] <seb128> we still have stuff to fix/polish to make it even better, but that's always the case
[13:08] <seb128> we have SRUs for that as well ;-)
[13:09] <seb128> rickspencer3, Didier, I and others were at a small opensource event in Lyon this w.e, we did some 13.10 -> 14.04 upgrade for users who had brought their laptops, things went smoothly in most case and we only had happy users ;-)
[13:10] <rickspencer3> \o/
[13:10]  * rickspencer3 fumes about not being invited
[13:11] <seb128> sorry about that, next time ;-)
[13:12] <rickspencer3> :)
[13:20] <didrocks> rickspencer3: come to Lyon! it will be easier :)
[13:21] <rickspencer3> didrocks, sounds good, I can live there as did your belle-soeur
[13:22] <seb128> lol
[13:22] <didrocks> seb128: see, management tracks their employees! Time to go on strike! ;)
[13:22] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, just make sure don't give him my room though!
[13:22]  * seb128 was first to claim it
[13:22] <didrocks> heh :)
[13:23] <seb128> didrocks, is it sunny enough today to use a strike day?
[13:23]  * seb128 looks outside
[13:23] <seb128> seems like it could be one of those days :p
[13:24] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but it's a little bit too late now :p
[13:24] <didrocks> better to start in the morning
[13:24] <didrocks> and tomorrow is sunny as well
[13:24]  * seb128 notes that down
[13:24] <didrocks> let's do from torromow until… thursday :p
[13:24] <didrocks> well, you have your friday off
[13:24] <seb128> it let me time to do a banner on how the NSA^Rick spies on us
[13:24] <didrocks> Mr "I claim to be French but in fact, I'm half-German" :)
[13:24] <seb128> oh, that's right ;-)
[13:25] <seb128> "good friday" is good ;-)
[13:26] <didrocks> yeah yeah…
[13:26]  * didrocks starts doing a second strike banner
[13:26] <seb128> :-(
[13:26] <Laney> four day weekend this week :-)
[13:26] <seb128> didrocks, come to Metz and claim it's a day off for you! ;-)
[13:26] <didrocks> Laney: you are German as well?
[13:28] <Laney> Wenn ich weniger arbeiten müss, JA!
[13:28] <didrocks> :)
[13:32] <Trevinho> beidl: that shadow thing is not related to the window not being shown it seems...
[13:33] <Laney> Sweetshark: libreoffice autopkgtest went boom
[13:33] <beidl> Trevinho, how did you test? I removed every _parent->ShowWindow() call and it works.
[13:34] <Trevinho> beidl: or, wait... sorry I didn't install correctly the plugin :(
[13:36] <beidl> Trevinho classic :D also, when minimizing a window, the corresponding icon should pop up for a second and hide again. Reverting the launcher window hide fixes that as well.
[13:36] <beidl> * parent_->ShowWindow rather
[13:37] <tkamppeter> seb128, I have a problem with bug 1306344. One could solve it by installing the hplip-gui binary package. Could we ship Trusty with this package? Or do we still have the problem that dependencies make Trusty too big then?
[13:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1306344 in hplip (Ubuntu) "hp-setup crashes when adding new printer because hp-sendfax is not found" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1306344
[13:37] <Trevinho> beidl: yeah, the same for urgent icons
[13:37] <Trevinho> beidl: ok, +1 on reverting that
[13:37] <Trevinho> beidl: do you want to do a branch for that or should I do?
[13:38] <beidl> Trevinho I could push it to the branch related to showing the switcher on lock screen using gestures
[13:38] <Trevinho> beidl: it actually saves us a lot of redraws, but the fix should probably add more edge-cases than the real gain
[13:38] <Trevinho> beidl: ok
[13:38] <beidl> Trevinho: I figured that, but I guess thats SRU material until all edge cases are found
[13:38] <Trevinho> it's weird btw I was pretty sure I tested these cases... :o
[13:39] <tkamppeter> seb128, would be great if we could ship hplip-gui as in Trusty + 1 we could lift the awkward binary package splitting then.
[13:39] <seb128> tkamppeter, it's late now to do changes for trusty...
[13:40] <tkamppeter> seb128, or should I then make an SRU which makes hplip pulling in hplip-gui?
[13:40] <seb128> tkamppeter, try asking on #ubuntu-release if they would be ok with that
[13:44] <Sweetshark> Laney: thx checking
[13:45] <Laney> Looks like some kind of test problem rather than an actual issue
[13:45] <Laney> sadly
[13:45] <seb128> bregma, hey
[13:45] <bregma> seb128, yo
[13:45] <seb128> bregma, could you get https://code.launchpad.net/~beidl/unity/unity-lockscreen-gestures/+merge/215569 reviewed?
[13:45] <seb128> bregma, that seems like a release blocker
[13:46] <bregma> already working on it
[13:46] <seb128> bregma, I tried to put it in a silo to get testing/an head start, but ppc64el build fails in tests :/
[13:46] <Trevinho> seb128: what failure? there are some tests that seems to fail there
[13:46] <bregma> ppc64el has been misbehaving in tests lately, usually it succeeds when you rerun just that build
[13:46] <bregma> roll the dice on that one
[13:47] <seb128> cjwatson retried it for me
[13:47] <seb128> same issue
[13:47] <seb128> Trevinho, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-008/+build/5908000/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-ppc64el.unity_7.2.0%2B14.04.20140414-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:47] <Sweetshark> Laney: sadly? of course, hickups shouldnt happen, but I much prefer this to the tests pointing to an actual problem at this point of the cycle ;)
[13:47] <seb128> us
[13:47] <bregma> previously it was one of the tests that ran a fake D-Bus service, and the service failed to start for some reason (not logged)
[13:47] <Trevinho> seb128: lp lost something?
[13:47] <seb128> Trevinho, the build has been restarted, which wiped the log, let's see
[13:48] <bregma> Trevinho, yes, it lost the diff for the MP, beidl had to cancel it and submit a new MP
[13:49] <Trevinho> oh, ok
[13:49] <bregma> ◔_◔
[13:50] <Sweetshark> Laney: hmm, even the log says "dsc0t-junit-subsequentcheck PASS" at the end, so putting that in the https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsLL60iOaDgX0D1th2iRRsIHBYgs-WUEgVR-ChlEae4ftxU8sweA bucket for now ...
[13:51] <Malsasa> Hello. My HUD on Ubuntu 12.04 doesn't work anymore. When I tap ALT, Unity opens menu of focused app, not the HUD. Any idea for me? My complete quesion was here http://askubuntu.com/questions/447587/alt-key-for-hud-doesnt-work. Thank you.
[13:51] <Laney> Sweetshark: are you looking at the same thing as me? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-libreoffice/336/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/consoleFull
[13:51] <beidl> when I noticed launchpad not scanning my branch for 24 hours, I was all like "zomg, I accidentally the whole thing"
[13:53] <bregma> beidl, I just assumed my browser was broken
[13:53] <bregma> because why should it be any different?
[13:57] <Sweetshark> Laney: hmmm, no. Did I end up in a 'last successful artifacts' thing or somesuch. Indeed that doesnt look good -- seems like "something" deleted/modified/whatever the copy of the source in /tmp, while the tests where running on it ...
[13:59] <Sweetshark> Laney: there is one very weird line 512 in the syslog ...
[14:02] <beidl> bregma, I had connection issues with my ISP that day, might be an incomplete push that caused that error
[14:03] <Laney> Sweetshark: mmm, that's in the passing one too
[14:04] <Laney> seb128: looks like it worked that time, but they are going to slip the other fix in to this upload
[14:05] <seb128> Laney, great
[14:05] <Sweetshark> Laney: when Im finished with this bug, I will run that in a local VM to see whats going on.
[14:06] <Laney> re-siloing appreciated
[14:07] <bregma> seb128, I'm going to add another (approved) MP to the Unity silo, if you don't mind, now that ppc64el has successfully built
[14:07] <Laney> just said that ;-)
[14:09] <beidl> Trevinho, the remaining nasty bug that I could think of is the launcher not reappearing if a edge-hit causes the launcher to hide.
[14:15] <seb128> bregma, sure, the silo is all yours ;-)
[14:15] <bregma> party on
[14:15] <seb128> bregma, I just started it to have an head start
[14:18] <mvo_> seb128: it was gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-control-center, correct?
[14:18] <mvo_> seb128: that should be autoremoved if possible?
[14:19] <seb128> mvo_, yes
[14:23] <mvo_> thanks
[15:04] <Trevinho> beidl: yeah, that's indeed a bug we should check... you say the one on dnd, right?
[15:04] <beidl> Trevinho: exactly
[15:05] <Trevinho> seb128: but... is it just me or since last few updates the indicator-sound is not showing up?
[15:05] <Trevinho> seb128: and loading it with indicator-tool brings me an empty indicator
[15:06] <seb128> Trevinho, just you
[15:06] <Trevinho> larsu: ^ any idea how debug that?
[15:06] <seb128> Trevinho, what theme do you use?
[15:06] <Trevinho> seb128: ambiance
[15:06] <seb128> Trevinho, what do you have in .cache/upstart/indicator-sound-service.log and unity-panel-service.log?
[15:06] <Trevinho> seb128: ok checking... fyi the service runs btw
[15:07] <seb128> can you open the menu?
[15:07] <Trevinho> seb128: on indicator-sound.log (process:22071): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_variant_get_uint32: assertion 'g_variant_is_of_type (value, G_VARIANT_TYPE_UINT32)' faile
[15:07] <Trevinho> seb128: nope
[15:07] <seb128> like if you click on another indicator and do left/right?
[15:07] <seb128> Trevinho, if you do system-settings -> sound, is the "show" checkbox at the bottom checkeD?
[15:08] <Trevinho> seb128: ops... :D
[15:08] <seb128> ;-)
[15:08] <Trevinho> seb128: how did it gets clicked :P
[15:08] <Trevinho> seb128: maybe just a wrong action I hope
[15:08] <seb128> Trevinho, the option is age old but we had a bug that it was not respected in 13.10
[15:09] <Trevinho> seb128: ah... ok. sorry for bothering
[15:09] <seb128> so maybe you had it from while back and it started working again when we fixed the bug
[15:09] <Trevinho> and thanks...
[15:09] <Trevinho> mh, might be
[15:09] <seb128> Trevinho, no worry, with all the pinging I did in your direction recently you can ping me for a while before we are even ;-)
[15:10] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, no worries... I will take few days :D
[15:10] <seb128> hehe
[15:10] <Trevinho> mlankhorst:
[15:10] <Trevinho> hey
[15:11] <Trevinho> just for information... is there any plan for the future of 14.04 to support DRI3 drivers?
[15:22] <larsu> Trevinho: your issue seems resolved now?
[15:23] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, sorry for the ping :/ i've been just too worried, and it was my fault :(
[15:23] <seb128> larsu, ^
[15:24] <Trevinho> seb128: that was for a free ping_count-- for you :D (sorry!)
[15:24] <seb128> haha
[15:24] <seb128> ;-)
[15:24] <larsu> Trevinho: no worries
[15:24] <larsu> seb128: thanks :)
[15:25] <seb128> yw!
[15:38] <beidl> Trevinho, had to leave my laptop, but a wild guess: maybe the hide animation has to be reversed as soon as DnD is stopped
[15:50] <Trevinho> beidl: mh, it might be the case... I need to look further on it
[15:51] <seb128> qengho, new chromium from your stage ppa seems fine to me
[15:52] <qengho> seb128: thank you.
[15:52] <seb128> yw!
[15:52] <ali1234> tedg: now that we implemented upstart indicators in xfce, we need a way to blacklist them
[15:53] <ali1234> specifically appmenu, since it doesn't work, and if the backend is started it steals all your menus whether the indicator is visible or not
[15:53] <ali1234> also -session since it also doesn't work
[15:53] <tedg> ali1234, Well appmenu isn't a service, you can just avoid loading the .so
[15:53] <ali1234> apparently you can't
[15:54] <seb128> Trevinho, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/172796846/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-ppc64el.unity_7.2.0%2B14.04.20140414.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:54]  * tedg is really sure about this :-)
[15:54] <seb128> Trevinho, the pp64el issue
[15:54] <ali1234> if it is installed, it steals the menus, regardless of whether you actually want it loaded or not
[15:54] <seb128> bregma, that one ^ needs a retry as well
[15:54] <qengho> seb128: I don't know what then next step is.  infinit-y seemed to say "sounds like a good idea". Should I do something else?
[15:54] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah that's the same that shown up also last time...
[15:54] <seb128> qengho, get it uploaded
[15:54] <Trevinho> seb128: and really I've not much clue what might be other than a timing issue
[15:54] <Trevinho> seb128: mhr3 fixed these tests some time ago
[15:55] <ali1234> tedg: so what steps must we take to "avoid" loading the .so?
[15:55] <tedg> ali1234, So that's not an upstart thing, that's in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80appmenu
[15:55] <tedg> ali1234, You need an attente
[15:55]  * mhr3 hides
[15:55] <qengho> seb128: yeah, but by whom?
[15:56] <tedg> ali1234, I'm guessing that script needs to be smarter, it's only checking to see if the file exists. Which is clearly not enough.
[15:56] <qengho> I made noise in #ubuntu-release already.
[15:56] <ali1234> it used to be that it wouldn't do anything if UBUNTU_MENUPROXY was not set
[15:56] <seb128> qengho, your usual sponsors? I can do it if you want
[15:56] <ali1234> well, i'm fairly sure we don't set that in xfce...
[15:57] <tedg> ali1234, It's set by lightdm using that script. All the scripts in that directory run before the user session.
[15:57] <ali1234> if it's not a service, how does it get the menus?
[15:57] <qengho> seb128: yes, please. I think CCC is busy with other stuff.
[15:58] <tedg> ali1234, All GTK programs load a GTK module, that hides and exports the menus.
[15:58] <ali1234> exports them where?
[15:58] <tedg> ali1234, On the other side of things the .so implemented everything needed to recieve the menus. It's a little different from the others in that the process loading it does a lot more.
[15:58] <ali1234> via what mechanism is the menu transfered from the application to the thing that runs in the panel?
[15:58] <tedg> dbus
[15:59] <ali1234> so there is a service that listens on dbus then?
[15:59] <tedg> Yes, who ever loads the .so
[15:59] <ali1234> so in other words it is a service...
[15:59] <tedg> Yes, but no one of the indicator services
[15:59] <tedg> not
[16:01] <ali1234> so it's more like the mpris stuff? where each app exports it's own menus, and then the indicator goes and finds them all?
[16:01] <mhr3> seb128, Trevinho, weird: (test-gtest-service:19151): GLib-GIO-WARNING **: Error releasing name com.canonical.Unity.Scope.testscope1.T29883340183229126: Timeout was reached
[16:01] <qengho> seb128: Also, if you want me to not have to bother you for this, you may endorse my PPU application in the next 30 hours.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChadMiller/DeveloperApplication
[16:01] <mhr3> seb128, dbus blew up?
[16:01] <seb128> mhr3, that could be, not sure
[16:02] <seb128> qengho, noted down
[16:02] <seb128> qengho, the version to sponsor is from your ppa?
[16:02] <Trevinho> mhr3: fyi the tests just seems to be unstable... sometime the go, some others don't
[16:02] <seb128> qengho, 34.0.1847.116-0ubuntu1~pkg1006  is the correct version? you keep the ~pkg for archive uploads?
[16:02] <ali1234> tedg: the problem here is that by making everything work off an environment variable set by lightdm, you are asking lightdm to predict the future
[16:02] <mhr3> Trevinho, everywhere? or a particular arch?
[16:03] <qengho> seb128: yes. It takes hours to rebuild.  I like uploading exactly what people have tested.
[16:03] <ali1234> there is no way it can know if the user is going to load indicator-appmenu or not
[16:03] <seb128> qengho, k
[16:03] <tedg> ali1234, Are you underestimating the abilities of LightDM? ;-)
[16:03] <tedg> ali1234, I think that the script should probably just set the variable based on which desktop is being loaded.
[16:03] <ali1234> tedg: it doesn't have permission to access the settings file
[16:03] <ali1234> so even if it was able to parse xfce settings, it still would not work
[16:04] <tedg> Sure but you could force it into the upstart environment table if it was enabled.
[16:04] <tedg> Heck, we should just do that…
[16:04] <ali1234> yeah, or we could add more crap to accounts service...
[16:05] <tedg> Then it could use dconf
[16:05] <ali1234> a larger problem is we allow the user to toggle on/off indicators at run time
[16:05] <seb128> qengho, hum, do you usually ppa source copy?
[16:06] <tedg> Yeah, and the Upstart job could just set the variable based on a setting.
[16:06] <tedg> It would run on desktop-start, but could be run anytime as needed.
[16:06] <seb128> Laney, there? to upload chromium from https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/stage/+packages to trusty do you think we can just ppa source copy it?
[16:06] <Trevinho> mhr3: only on ppc64el
[16:06] <tedg> Would be nice to get another thing out of Xsession
[16:06] <ali1234> sounds more sensible
[16:06] <tedg> We need it to die sooner rather than later.
[16:06] <Laney> seb128: is that what they normally do?
[16:07] <seb128> Laney, no idea
[16:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, there? how do you sponsor chromium uploads usually?
[16:07] <ali1234> at the moment appmenu doesn't even work in xfce - it crashes both the app and the desktop
[16:07] <Laney> Looks like it
[16:07] <ali1234> so it doesn't really matter how it gets fixed
[16:07] <mhr3> Trevinho, then i'll say that dbus on ppc64 is broken :)
[16:07] <ali1234> (in the short term)
[16:07] <ali1234> some people are trying to make it work though
[16:08] <mhr3> Trevinho, or something dbus related, but clearly not my code ;P
[16:08] <Laney> not clearly
[16:08] <Laney> you should try to reproduce on the porter machine first
[16:08] <seb128> Laney, "copy-package --ppa=canonical-chromium-builds --ppa-name=stage -s trusty --to-primary --to-suite trusty-proposed chromium-browser" ?
[16:09] <Laney> seb128: include binaries
[16:09] <seb128> Laney, k
[16:09] <qengho> seb128: I see uploads pretty quickly. It has to be something like that.
[16:09] <seb128> qengho, it's chrisccoulson who usually sponsor those right?
[16:10] <qengho> seb128: yes.
[16:10] <seb128> k
[16:10] <seb128> he doesn't seem to be around
[16:10] <seb128> let's try that ppa copy then
[16:11] <Laney> I looked at https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/stage/+build/5815872 which is a copy from the ppa with binaries
[16:11] <seb128> k, it makes sense if the ppa is configured for security updates
[16:14] <qengho> seb128: et merci beaucoup.
[16:18] <seb128> qengho, de rien ! ;-)
[16:19] <ali1234> tedg: i'm looking on a saucy machine and there is no 80appmenu
[16:20] <tedg> ali1234, Correct, it changed with teh change from appmenu-gtk to unity-gtk-module
[16:21] <ali1234> i also don't see the string "MENUPROXY" anywhere in /etc
[16:24] <ali1234> i just installed it on trusty and that file still doesn't exist
[16:25] <seb128> bregma, Trevinho: the unity in the silo looks fine to me (just from basic user testing), I'm calling it a day in a bit but feel free to publish/nag #ubuntu-release when you feel it's ready
[16:25] <Trevinho> seb128: thanks
[16:25] <seb128> yw!
[16:27] <ali1234> so which package does /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80appmenu belong to?
[16:32] <ali1234> unity-gtk-module isn't a package
[16:33] <ali1234> unity-gtk(2|3)-module neither contain 80appmenu
[16:33] <tedg> Wait, I had it backwards :-/
[16:33] <ali1234> appmenu-gtk also isn't a package
[16:33] <tedg> That's an appmenu-gtk thing, it is just left over on this machine.
[16:34]  * tedg hates on /etc for a moment
[16:34] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/874943 <- lol
[16:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 874943 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Appmenu stays visible behind gnome-shell panel" [Undecided,New]
[16:35] <ali1234> same bug, except 2.5 years old
[16:35] <tedg> ali1234, So yes, we already moved it to an Upstart job, unity-gtk-module
[16:36] <ali1234> so how do we kick it out of xubuntu then?
[16:36] <tedg> ali1234, That job should be smarter
[16:36] <dobey> appmenu-gtk - Export GTK menus over DBus
[16:36] <dobey> appmenu-gtk3 - Export GTK menus over DBus
[16:36] <dobey> ali1234: ^^ those look like packages to me
[16:36] <ali1234> !info apmenu-gtk trusty
[16:36] <ubot2> 'trusty' is not a valid distribution:
[16:36] <tedg> dobey, Those are probably left over if you've upgraded
[16:37] <ali1234> whoops, well, they don't exist here in my package manager
[16:37] <ali1234> bbiab
[16:37] <tedg> ali1234, So I'd say check something in the pre-start of that job, what exactly is something you'll need to talk with attente about.
[16:38] <dobey> oh
[16:39] <dobey> ugh, something causing extremely slow rendering issues in current trusty :(
[16:40] <dobey> or maybe i just need a reboot
[16:40] <tedg> Yup, seems to be after about an hour for me.
[17:11] <ali1234> i still don;t get it. that job doesn't do anything unless UBUNTU_MENUPROXY is already set
[17:15] <ali1234> why is this even in unity-gtk-module anyway?
[17:18] <sarnold> when scrolling the list of online accounts in the unity control center, more than one provider is selected at once; any guesses where I should file the bug? unity? gtk? unity-control-center?
[17:18] <sarnold> (I suspect it is only a visual glitch)
[17:45] <beidl> Trevinho: found the issue and fixed it. where to push? :)
[17:45] <Trevinho> beidl: cool! :) new branch please
[17:45] <beidl> Trevinho: based on trunk?
[17:46] <Trevinho> beidl: yes, or your previous branch is fine anyway... as it will be trunk soon
[17:46] <beidl> perfect
[17:46] <Trevinho> beidl: or just set it as a prerequisite on the merge-proposal
[17:46] <Trevinho> beidl: so it won't show the diff of that
[17:51] <beidl> Trevinho: if the launcher hides, and I drag the icon away *without* dropping it, should the launcher reappear? currently the launcher reappears only after a new drag start.
[17:52] <Trevinho> beidl: yes, the launcher should hide only if you try to pass over it.. (in multi-monitor you want to move on the other screen for example)
[17:57] <xclaesse> I'm writing a gtk app, basically a GtkStack and GtkListBox, the background is all black with ubuntu theme
[17:58] <xclaesse> is there known ubuntu gtk theme issues?
[18:11] <beidl> Trevinho: is there an event that gets emitted whenever the mouse is moved? all dnd related events except resets won't get called as soon as the launcher is hidden
[18:13] <Trevinho> beidl: mh, right... In theory the dnd collection window might get that, but it's also hidden as soon as it gets something
[18:14] <Trevinho> beidl: so... mhmh, a possibility might make that to show up again in that case
[18:14] <Trevinho> beidl: calling collect on it should be enough
[18:15] <beidl> Trevinho: what needs to happen is reversing the animation and setting the DND_PUSHED_OFF quirk to false. currently that only happens when dnd is either complete or aborted
[18:16] <beidl> Trevinho: but if the launcher should reappear as soon as mouse.x >= geometry.width
[18:17] <beidl> Trevinho: I'd need to find out where to do that. I assume RenderArgs isn't going to get called if the launcher is hidden, right?
[18:18] <Trevinho> beidl: it depeneds, it might... it gets called each redraw... so since the basewindow is always there it happens also if not shown
[18:19] <Trevinho> beidl: that's why I added that change that you reverted...  I'm not sure if that's worth it.
[18:40] <Trevinho> beidl: mh, it's probably better to avoid that
[18:41] <beidl> Trevinho: should I keep it the way it is now? only make the launcher reappear on DND ending?
[18:42] <Trevinho> beidl: ok, that's enough for now... if there aren't cleaner solution it's already an improvement :)
[18:53] <ali1234> tedg, attente: i opened bug 1307657 re appmenus.
[18:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1307657 in unity-gtk-module (Ubuntu) "UBUNTU_MENUPROXY should not be set in Xfce" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307657
[19:02]  * tedg commented
[19:03] <ali1234> thanks
[19:04] <beidl> Trevinho: do you think there's still enough time to fix bug 1163041 ? :)
[19:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1163041 in unity (Ubuntu) "Inconsistent behaviour with minimized Trash windows" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163041
[19:04] <Trevinho> beidl: I hope so
[19:04] <Trevinho> beidl: it's on my list
[19:04] <Trevinho> beidl: we can make as sru, as the pieces area ll there, we only have to fix unity
[19:05] <beidl> Trevinho: how would you go about fixing it? actually make a trash/device window "fly" into its corresponding launcher window on minimize?
[19:06] <beidl> launcher icon*
[19:08] <Trevinho> beidl: I'm about to go now, but I can explain this with some more details tomorrow (or later) if you want
[19:08] <beidl> Trevinho: great! :)
[19:08] <beidl> Trevinho: my quassel is always-on anyways :D
[19:08] <Trevinho> beidl: btw basically we should make nautilus a case of Application that has sub-windows, and these might be detached from the main app if are "special"
[19:09] <beidl> Trevinho: ok, makes sense
[19:10] <Trevinho> beidl: this is an old diff I did to begin on that... but just to give the idea http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7251294/
[19:10] <beidl> Trevinho: looking into it
[19:10] <Trevinho> beidl: see if you can get what I meant.. Need to go now
[19:11] <beidl> Trevinho: alright, have a nice day!
[19:11] <Trevinho> beidl: thanks ;)


[04:18] <UBuxuBU>  /join #freenode
[04:22] <Tyreal> hi
[04:46] <UBuxuBU> j brought tyreal here
[04:46] <UBuxuBU> i helped him install lubuntu
[04:47] <UBuxuBU> he will come here and ask for help sometimes
[08:50] <Amitari> Does anyone know of a piece of software to rip DVDs to ISO, and verify that they are exact rips? Kinda like Exact Audio Copy and RubyRipper does for Audio CD?
[08:50] <bioterror> dd if=/dev/dvd of=/home/username/Movies/movie.iso
[08:51] <Amitari> But how do you know that it was done correctly? Rubyripper rips every song twice and compares the checksum.
[09:00] <bioterror> I just know it like I knwo that after monday comes tuesday
[09:01] <Amitari> Well, I have a couple of DVDs here where ripping have resulted in ISO-files of different sizes every time I've done it.
[09:01] <Amitari> I used Brasero.
[09:04] <Amitari> By the way, when I use that command, I get "dd: failed to open ‘/dev/dvd’: No such file or directory", should I use the path that is under /media/?
[09:04] <bioterror> well
[09:04] <bioterror> look for the correct device name
[09:05] <bioterror> use the tabulator key
[09:05] <Amitari> Um, what is that again?
[09:05] <Amitari> Oh, the tab key...
[09:06] <Amitari> Well, now it just lists all commands it seems...
[09:07] <Amitari> Wait, I found it with mount.
[09:07] <Amitari> It was "/dev/sr0".
[09:10] <Amitari> Can the command rip DVDs protected by the Content Scramble System?
[09:13] <Amitari> I have libdvdcss installed of course.
[14:27] <Siente> Hello
[14:44] <shamoanjac> hi
[14:48] <Siente> I've install LXDE on Ubuntu 15.04, but it doesn't look good
[14:52] <bioterror> install lubuntu-desktop and log into it
[15:01] <bioterror> wavpack 4.75.0-1
[15:02] <bioterror> *hups* ;)
[17:15] <tsimonq2> .
[17:17] <BotchlaB> ..
[17:17] <tsimonq2> ...
[17:50] <shamoanjac> hey, where can I find config for splash screen at boot?
[18:55] <billy_> help
[18:55] <billy_> HELP
[18:56] <ianorlin> !details |billy_
[18:57] <billy_>
[19:01] <JBHill> Howdy! Anyone get Lubuntu working on an old netbook?
[19:02] <ianorlin> JBHill: I am sure there are a lot of people but I have lubuntu currently on a laptop that is a little too big to be a netbook as it is 17 inches
[19:03] <JBHill> A friend gave me a Toshiba TB505, not a powerhouse.
[19:04] <tsimonq2> Is anyone else running wily having the lxpanel reload every time you right-click a program?
[19:04] <tsimonq2> And it only happens in workspace 4 for me...
[19:04] <JBHill> Actually, it is an NB505 with an Atom n455. I think it's a single core at 1.6Ghz and 2GB RAM.
[19:04] <tsimonq2> Let me know
[19:05] <ianorlin> ah 2 GB ram should be ok
[19:05] <ianorlin> I don't know about n455 atom
[19:05] <ianorlin> I heard some older atoms graphcis were a little bit of trouble in the past
[19:05] <JBHill> Thanks. I'll give it a try. I really like Lubuntu on other PCs I've installed it on.
[19:05] <tsimonq2> Even in a VM...
[19:05] <tsimonq2> anyone?
[19:57] <amari> Hi, what DE comes by default in Lubuntu 15.10 ? thanks
[20:00] <tsimonq2> LXD
[20:00] <tsimonq2> *LXDE
[20:00] <tsimonq2> But soon we will be making the transition to LXQt
[20:00] <tsimonq2> amari
[20:00] <amari> tsimonq2: Yes, when is the transition to LXqt?
[20:02] <tsimonq2> amari: Hopefully by 16.10...can someone confirm? wxl ianorlin holstein
[20:04] <amari> tsimonq2: Still a long way until the transition :P
[21:32] <janolap1> hi there, I'm stuck with recording video and sound of my desktop using recordMyDesktop. I have no sound. Can anyone help me ?
[21:32] <ianorlin> janolap1: does the sound play if you for example try to play an audio file?
[21:33] <ianorlin> or do you mean no sound is recorded by recordmydesktop
[21:36] <janolap1> ianorlin : When using youtube, the sound is played with the video. When trying to listen to a wav file, no sound is audible, neither with gome player, nor with vlc
[21:38] <janolap1> ianorlin : I'm wrong : right now, no more sounds... even in youtube. I've just installed pavucontrol. and no more sound !
[21:43] <janolap1> ianorlin : firefox crash... Ok, the sound is back on youtube !
[21:43] <ianorlin> janolap1: ah ok
[21:46] <janolap1> ianorlin : now, a wav file is played with vlc and gnome player. I think the default card was nos the good one !
[21:46] <ianorlin> janolap1: ah I know that can happen on stuff where it selects hdmi as defualt card
[21:47] <janolap1> ianorlin : But trying to record a VLC window playing a sound with RecordMyDesktop produces a ogv file without sound...
[21:56] <janolap1> ianorlin : Working ! the default sound card for recording was not properly set in pavu
[21:56] <janolap1> thanks !


[00:01] <teward> thanks sarnold
[00:01] <teward> will read after I beat my head on Microsoft for being **ANNOYING AS HECK** with eating emails relayed via the cloud.
[00:01] <teward> (FT job project >.>)
[03:08]  * pabs3 scavenges the post for breezy API change patches
[06:51] <ginggs> I uploaded Debian's src:tasksel package to my PPA and it was rejected -- Unknown section 'tasks'
[06:52] <ginggs> https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/tasksel/-/blob/master/debian/control#L2
[06:53] <ginggs> do we need to teach Launchpad about a tasks section?
[09:32] <ogra> cjwatson, hmm, did LP lose the ability to use indendation in bug comments with the addition of editing ? i seem to not be able to add formatted yaml anymore (spaces are stripped from the beginning of the lines)
[09:37] <cjwatson> ogra: I don't think anything in that area changed.  Are you sure that ever worked?
[09:37] <ogra> yeah, pretty sure
[09:37] <cjwatson> ogra: Feel free to file a bug with details - I have too much on my plate at the moment to investigate on-spec
[09:38] <ogra> will do ...
[09:38] <cjwatson> ginggs: IIRC the 'tasks' section may be a bit weird and special, but I don't totally remember.  Maybe wgrant remembers if omitting it was deliberate?
[09:40] <ginggs> cjwatson: ta
[09:41] <cjwatson> ginggs: (Adding sections is certainly something we can do if we determine it's a good idea - it requires manual SQL, but it's a well-trodden path)
[09:43] <ginggs> cjwatson: well, the context is tasksel is no longer in main, now looking at a sync from debian
[09:46] <cjwatson> ginggs: could you file a support ticket about this?  link in the topoic
[09:46] <cjwatson> *topic
[09:47] <ginggs> cjwatson: will do, thanks!
[09:49]  * ogra files https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1939001


  I pushed it upstream, and there's a (fairly small) patch to fix it which will be in 2.19.6.  Should I prepare a debdiff against our current g-p-m, or just wait for 2.19.6 to be released & (help) package that?
[03:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123664 in gnome-power-manager "Should not count time suspended in battery profile" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123664
[03:25] <minghua> I say don't bother patching.  gnome-power-manager should be included in the final GNOME 2.20 release, shouldn't it?
[03:26] <RAOF> I believe so
[03:26] <Fujitsu> 2.19.6 should come in with the rest of GNOME 2.19.6.
[03:27] <Fujitsu> That shouldn't be far off.
[03:28] <RAOF> Fair enough.  I'll see if I can help package the new uv then.
[03:28] <minghua> Well, 2.19.5 was released yesterday, so maybe a while.
[03:30] <zul> hey mneptok
[03:32] <minghua> RAOF: Thank you for reporting, then. :-)
[03:32] <RAOF> That I'll lay claim to :)
[04:15] <mneptok> zul: heya
[04:15] <mneptok> There is no Dana. Only Zul.
[04:20] <Pici> mneptok: http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul
[06:20] <sbalneav> Mithrandir: Hey, did you ever get a sql representation of ical going?
[07:19] <elpargo_> hi anyone here knows how can I call the "open with" functionality in the content menu of nautilus?
[07:21] <Burgundavia> elpargo_: what do you want to do?
[07:22] <elpargo_> Burgundavia, I want to call the correct program to handle a file from code.
[07:23] <Burgundavia> you want to open a file with an external app?
[07:23] <elpargo_> Burgundavia, no no from my code I want to execute the same function.
[07:24] <Burgundavia> try in #gnome-hackers on gimp.net
[07:24] <elpargo_> Burgundavia, yes but I'll like to delegate that to the nautilus system, i find it very good, and there is no need to redo the wheel
[07:25] <Burgundavia> no, I am saying talk with the GNOME developers on that channel
[07:25] <Burgundavia> they will tell you how and that is a better channel for that
[07:25] <elpargo_> ok thanks
[07:26] <Burgundavia> no worries
[09:21] <superm1> Hobbsee, would you be able to look over another lirc upload (promise this one is smaller than the request the other night)?
[10:03] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: ping
[10:05] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: i just merged afbinit, can you check the final debdiff at http://paste.dunnewind.net/256 and say me if you're agree with it
[10:16] <fabbione> Sp4rKy: looking
[10:18] <fabbione> Sp4rKy: looks ok, can you please make sure to send our diff to the debian maintainer? at least the include stuff... he can?t really merge the section
[10:18] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: ok
[10:19] <Sp4rKy> so i request a merge on lp and mail the debdiff to the debian maint ?
[10:19] <fabbione> hm? just send a mail to the maintainer with the diff for the includes
[10:19] <fabbione> and upload the package to ubuntu
[10:19] <fabbione> i don?t see the need to open an lp request
[10:19] <Sp4rKy> hu ?
[10:20] <Sp4rKy> i don't understand well ^^
[10:20] <Sp4rKy> it should be a merge process, no ?
[10:20] <fabbione> yes but a merge process does not require an LP request
[10:20] <fabbione> just upload it to the archive
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> i can't upload myself :)
[10:21] <fabbione> ok, then ask for a sponsorship... or give me a few minutes and I will do it
[10:21] <gnomefreak> do all backports have to be pushed by a core-dev?
[10:21] <fabbione> just need to power up my sparc to test it
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: ok :)
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> i wait your test
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> and then i'll mail the debian maint
[10:21] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: core-dev can upload directly to backports, but most are requested as sync are.
[10:21] <Fujitsu> *syncs
[10:21] <Fujitsu> (ie. archive admins do them)
[10:22] <gnomefreak> someone backported hal and i thought that was one of the no no packages to backport
[10:22] <gnomefreak> its borked anyway in feisty backports
[10:22] <Fujitsu> Hi pitti.
[10:22] <pitti> Hi Fujitsu
[10:23] <gnomefreak> morning pitti
[10:23] <fabbione> Sp4rKy: can you put the debdiff somewhere wget?able?
[10:23] <Hobbsee> morning pitti
[10:24] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: of course
[10:24] <gnomefreak> ill keep looking to see who did it
[10:24] <pitti> hey Hobbsee, hi StevenK
[10:24] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: http://people.dunnewind.net/maxence/afbinit_debdiff
[10:24] <StevenK> Yay!
[10:25] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: blame pitti
[10:25] <StevenK> pitti: NBS everything out of the archive that's zero size, plus you can probably kill libcegui-mk2-0c2a.
[10:25] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i would but he was removed from maintainer feild
[10:25] <gnomefreak> field
[10:25] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: he's uploaded it
[10:25] <fabbione> Sp4rKy: thanks
[10:25] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak:
[10:25] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/0.5.9-1ubuntu2~feisty1
[10:26] <gnomefreak> pitti: isnt hal one of those packages that shouldnt be backported?
[10:26] <StevenK> pitti: And can you puhlease kick glew, parrot and libgeda out of NEW?
[10:26] <pitti> StevenK: seb128 is looking at NEW
[10:26] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: np
[10:26] <pitti> gnomefreak: why?
[10:27] <StevenK> pitti: Fair enough.
[10:27] <pitti> gnomefreak: I did backport a gutsy hal to feisty, because it fixes stuff for quite a lot of people
[10:27] <StevenK> pitti: Okay, will you regenerate the list after you kill everything zero-sized?
[10:27] <pitti> StevenK: yep
[10:27] <StevenK> pitti: Cool, thanks.
[10:27] <pitti> StevenK: in an hour, after next publisher run
[10:27] <StevenK> Sounds fine.
[10:28] <gnomefreak> pitti: i thought due to depends it shouldnt have been. btw its broken in feisty
[10:28] <gnomefreak> pitti: bug 125717
[10:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125717 in feisty-backports "No initscript in hal 0.5.9" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125717
[10:28] <pitti> gnomefreak: --verbose, please
[10:28] <pitti> gnomefreak: that's weird
[10:28] <pitti> gnomefreak: oh, it is not supposed to have one
[10:28] <gnomefreak> pitti: im not running it in feisty i am hearing about this
[10:29] <pitti> gnomefreak: /etc/dbus/event.d/20hal
[10:29] <pitti> hal *never* had an init script until recent gutsy
[10:32] <simira> speaking of which, where can I get a gutsy-cd in this office?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> simira!
[10:33] <gnomefreak> pitti: hes gonna comment on bug i hope
[10:35] <simira> Hobbsee :)
[10:35] <Hobbsee> simira: your'e in london now, hey?  nice!
[10:35] <Riddell> simira: how's the view?
[10:36] <elmo> simira: download it? the net connection doesn't suck, especially not to *.u.c
[10:36] <fabbione> Sp4rKy: uploaded
[10:36] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: ok thx
[10:36] <Sp4rKy> so i mail the dd
[10:36] <fabbione> Sp4rKy: np..
[10:36] <Riddell> Mithrandir: could you give back kde4graphics and kde4network?
[10:37] <Mithrandir> Riddell: backgegibt
[10:37] <Riddell> Mithrandir: pardon?
[10:38] <Mithrandir> Riddell: given-back
[10:38] <Riddell> thanks
[10:38] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: you were right last night, your fix works and I am a muppet.
[10:39] <simira> elmo: true. Then I just need to find someone nice person to give/lend me a cd :)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> guten morgen, mvo
[10:56] <mvo> hey Hobbsee
[11:00] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: http://err.no/tmp/mobile/mobile-dev ; it looks fairly sane to me, what do you think?
[11:09] <StevenK> pitti: Poke, regenerate NBS. :-)
[11:12] <StevenK> seb128_: Can you puhlease kick glew, parrot and libgeda out of NEW, so the older libraries can be NBS'd when they have no rdepends?
[11:12] <pitti> StevenK: as I said, I need to wait for the publisher to finish
[11:12] <StevenK> Oh duh, it isn't instant.
[11:12] <StevenK> Sorry
[11:26] <seb128_> StevenK: looking
[11:26] <StevenK> seb128_: Thanks.
[11:29] <seb128_> StevenK: parrot didn't build on ia64
[11:33] <StevenK> Wierd. No idea why, or how to fix it.
[11:34] <StevenK> It fails the same way on Debian, so I'm comforted by that.
[11:36] <seb128_> well we try to NEW on all the arches in the same time
[11:37] <StevenK> I can file a nastygram in Debian, but I doubt I know enough about Parrot internals to attempt to fix it.
[11:37] <StevenK> Or have access to an ia64
[11:37] <Mithrandir> seb128_: as long as it FTBFS, it should be fine.
[11:38] <seb128_> Mithrandir: ok
[11:38] <StevenK> Mithrandir: It runs itself during the build and blows up. So it's impressive.
[11:39] <infinity> mvo: Your custom apt works perfectly for me.   :P
[11:41] <pygi> fabbione, around by any chance?
[11:42] <cjwatson_> Mithrandir: germinate 0.31 synced for the next publisher run
[11:43] <fabbione> pygi: yes?
[11:43] <pygi> fabbione, brasero built properly on sparc & ppc now ;)
[11:43] <fabbione> pygi: ok cool
[11:46] <seb128_> StevenK: synced
[11:47] <fabbione> whops
[11:47] <StevenK> seb128: Thanks!
[11:48] <seb128> StevenK: thank you for doing most of the work ;)
[11:49] <pitti> 'k, time to crank NBS
[11:49] <StevenK> pitti: Hurrah!
[11:49] <StevenK> pitti: Ping me when it's finished smashing drescher?
[11:50] <pitti> sure
[11:51] <mvo> infinity: uhhh, sorry for that, I thought I had told you about it
[11:52] <Hobbsee> mvo: got any current plans for fixing the metapackages from any component cant install recommends bug?
[11:52] <infinity> mvo: No one tells me anything.
[11:52] <seb128> infinity: or maybe you just don't listen what people say? ;)
[11:53] <StevenK> Could be both.
[11:53] <Hobbsee> mvo: what would the fix be?  just hardcode the universe/metapackages, and multiverse/metapackages, in there too, like you have with multiverse?
[11:53] <mvo> Hobbsee: yes, but I have no timeline yet, please keep naging me about it so that I get to it eventually
[11:53] <mvo> Hobbsee: I think the fix would be either to suppoer regexp there or to allow a list of sections
[11:53] <infinity> seb128: I suspect it's a bit of both. :)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> mvo: right.  more things are missing this, now, not just *-r-e
[11:54] <Hobbsee> mvo: how often do you wish to be nagged?  :P
[11:54] <simira> infinity: no one ever tells you anything so you don't bother to listen? :p
[11:55] <infinity> simira: Did you say something?
[11:55] <mvo> Hobbsee: once a day is enough ;)
[11:55] <Hobbsee> mvo: :D
[11:55] <simira> infinity: nothing important
[12:07] <pitti> StevenK: NBS updated
[12:14] <simira> seb128: how do I reduce the font size in the gutsy gnome menus? (I managed to reduce all other in Appearance-settings)
[12:14] <simira> &j ubuntu-gnome
[12:14] <simira> uh
[12:16] <Fujitsu> simira: You probably want to change the DPI setting in Appearance->Fonts->Details
[12:16] <seb128> Fujitsu: it's not going to be menu specific
[12:16] <simira> Fujitsu: we (Scott) tried.... no effect
[12:16] <seb128> simira: it should follow the applications font
[12:16] <simira> who changed and blew up the fonts anyway...
[12:17] <simira> seb128: it definitely doesn't
[12:18] <seb128> simira: no idea then, looks like a bug
[12:18] <seb128> works fine on my laptop
[12:20] <simira> seb128: a gnome- og x.org-bug?
[12:21] <seb128> simira: would need to be debugged to say, but it's only the gnome-panel not changing I would say a GNOMEish bug
[12:21] <seb128> s/it's/if it's
[12:21] <simira> seb128: yes, seems to me like it is
[12:21] <seb128> does restarting it makes a difference?
[12:22] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: thanks; committed
[12:25] <simira> seb128: logout/login seemed to fix it. Should I still report a bug for it, or does it have to be that way?
[12:27] <seb128> simira: you can open a bug but since it doesn't happen on my box it's likely to stay open until somebody getting the bug look at it
[12:29] <simira> seb128: ok
[12:53] <simira> mjg59: you have absolutely nothing to do today, have you?
[12:55] <Arcer> hi all
[12:55] <Arcer> excuse me for my english
[12:56] <Arcer> someone known a gui kde-like for developing in C
[12:56] <Arcer> ?
[12:56] <Arcer> like devc in Windoes
[12:56] <pitti> Arcer: kdevelop is fairly good
[12:56] <Arcer> oh thank :D
[12:57] <Arcer> i'll install see later :D
[12:57] <calc> maybe eclipse also
[01:00] <Arcer> I use eclipse for java programming in Windows
[01:05] <asac> crimsun: ping
[01:05] <asac> crimsun: unping
[01:09] <Riddell> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/125748
[01:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125748 in compiz "compiz-{kde,gnome} does not depend on compiz-plugins" [Undecided,New]
[01:13] <StevenK> Riddell: Why are kde4libs-data, kdepimlibs4 and kdepimlibs4-dev all marked as NBS? What replaces them?
[01:13] <Riddell> StevenK: where is that listed?
[01:13] <Riddell> StevenK: kde4libs-data -> kdelibs5-data
[01:13] <StevenK> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/
[01:14] <Riddell> kdepimlibs4 -> kdepimlibs5
[01:14] <Riddell> kdepimlibs4-dev -> kdepimlibs5-dev
[01:14] <Riddell> I may well have forgotten to put in Replaces: on various of those
[01:14] <persia> pitti: Thank you ever so much for the binary removals.
[01:15] <simira> Hobbsee: are you asleep yet?
[01:15] <StevenK> simira: She is probably dinner'ing
[01:15] <simira> oh
[01:16] <calc> simira: kylem does a pretty good hiding act
[01:16] <pitti> persia: no problem :)
[01:16] <simira> calc: he might be busy then....
[01:22] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Why?
[01:22] <Fujitsu> Oh, NBS?
[01:26] <StevenK> No, it's fine. It's 5 packages, and I
[01:26] <StevenK> 'm just about half-way through it.
[01:26] <StevenK> And it all scripted/scriptable.
[01:26] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[01:30] <StevenK> pitti: I'm unclear why nic-firmware, scsi-firmware and ubuntu-modules are listed in NBS. I'm probably missing something.
[01:33] <pitti> StevenK: I'll have a look later
[01:40] <StevenK> Hrm. Been a while since I heard this.
[01:40] <StevenK> Frame# 38870 [118037] , Time: 00:13.66 [68:05.14]
[01:45] <StevenK> Typical. Out of the five builds, one failed, and it's one with Ubuntu changes.
[01:46] <Fujitsu> Which?
[01:46] <Fujitsu> geda-gschem?
[01:46] <StevenK> Yup
[01:46] <Fujitsu> StevenK: The rest of geda is in DEPWAIT at the moment.
[01:46] <Fujitsu> And I haven't merged that yet.
[01:46] <StevenK> So I just uploaded four rebuilds for nothing?
[01:47] <Fujitsu> Um, possibly.
[01:48] <StevenK> geda-gattrib built.
[01:48] <StevenK> As did geda-utils.
[01:49] <StevenK> Yup.
[01:50] <StevenK> pitti, Mithrandir: Can you reject geda-* please?
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Yay, unaccepting.
[01:51] <StevenK> If they do or don't, it isn't too important, just pointless and a waste of buildd time.
[01:52] <Fujitsu> Right.
[01:53] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[01:53] <StevenK> :-P
[01:56] <Keybuk> why can I find no OpenOffice documentation on creating presentation templates?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> simira: nope, was at dinner.
[02:05] <jordi> fabbione: ping ping
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: does anyone actually create presentation templates in ooo anyway?
[02:11] <ijuz_> i'm always using the "empty presentation" template it's great stuff ;)
[02:16] <ijuz_> Keybuk: looks like it's nothing special such a template http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/2006/03/templates_makin.html
[02:44] <pitti> doko: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveCleanupStatus
[02:45] <siretart> is there currently some congestion in the (source) NEW queue?
[02:46] <seb128> no
[02:46] <seb128> why?
[02:46] <seb128> it was empty like one week ago
[02:46] <siretart> I wonder if there is a problem with the emacs22 package, it was uploaded on 07/07
[02:47] <seb128> pitti wants to use the debian version
[02:47] <ScottK> pitti: I got a reject notification for my evolution-python sync, but no reason.  Do you have time to discuss or should I e-mail you?
[02:47] <seb128> we just discussed it briefly though
[02:47] <siretart> pitti: why? mwolson is doing a great job on the package!
[02:48] <seb128> ScottK: I did already synced it yesterday
[02:48] <pitti> siretart: I don't see why we should have two parallel packagers?
[02:48] <ScottK> Ah.  That'll do it.  Thanks seb128.
[02:48] <pitti> siretart: we should just sync Debian's and put the doc in main
[02:48] <siretart> pitti: because debian strips off documentation and such. there is no need for this in ubuntu
[02:48] <siretart> pitti: emacs without the manual is close to worthless
[02:48] <siretart> seriously
[02:48] <seb128> siretart: there is a package with documentation though
[02:48] <seb128> siretart: we can just make emacs22 depends on the other package
[02:49] <siretart> seb128: in non-free. we don't want documentation to be seperate in ubuntu
[02:49] <pitti> siretart: Depends: -doc :)
[02:49] <pitti> siretart: Recommends:, though
[02:50] <siretart> pitti: so you want to tell mwholson that all his work on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-elisp/emacs/ubuntu was for nothing?
[02:50] <seb128> siretart: why should be work to divert from Debian when not required?
[02:50] <seb128> siretart: we tend to sync when we can
[02:51] <siretart> seb128: have you looked at the branch history? please do
[02:52] <siretart> anyways, it would be really nice if some archive admins could reposond to Michaels verbose emails to his emacs22 plans in ubuntu he posted to the mailing list
[02:52] <siretart> we shouldn't let him in the dark with these decisions
[02:53] <siretart> s/let/leave/
[02:53] <pitti> (later, presentation here)
[02:57] <seb128> siretart: will do, quite busy at distro sprint this week though
[02:57] <seb128> siretart: and emacs22 is not easy to review, would be easier for everybody to base on Debian
[02:59] <siretart> and therefore we reject very good and enthusiastic contributions to ubuntu?  :/
[03:00] <seb128> we said we reject anything?
[03:00] <siretart> well, in some ways you said so before
[03:00] <seb128> you want to stop syncing only to not drop work done aside from Debian?
[03:01] <seb128> every time we sync we drop some Ubuntu contribution
[03:01] <seb128> I agree we should not discourage contributions so might want to accept the emacs22 from NEW and sync from Debian later
[03:02] <siretart> that's what I'm basically suggesting
[03:02] <siretart> we of course want to regularily merge with debian
[03:02] <seb128> so it's going to takes sometime because emacs22 is not trivial to review
[03:03] <siretart> I know
[03:07] <pitti> siretart: hm, I didn't see anything on ubuntu-devel@; which ML was it on?
[03:08] <seb128> ScottK: evolution-python is not distributable btw, not sure if we will accept it
[03:08] <seb128> ScottK: you might want to open a bug on Debian saying they should ship the GPL text in the tarball
[03:08] <siretart> pitti: ubuntu-motu for sure, not that sure for ubuntu-devel
[03:08] <ScottK> Ah.  I will do so.
[03:08] <ScottK> Thanks seb128.
[03:08] <seb128> np
[03:11] <ScottK> Interesting.  debian/copyright says: "License (note that upstream accidentally ships the LPGL, but the files say GPL)"
[03:11] <seb128> right
[03:11] <seb128> so it's GPL
[03:12] <seb128> and the license text should be in the tarball
[03:12] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:12] <ScottK> ...Debian's NEW reviews.
[03:13] <azeem> ScottK: Debian's NEW review actually looks at the copyright boilerplate in the various source files rather than COPYING, I think
[03:13] <asac_the_2nd> pitti: high latency ... yes the mirrors should after all be updated now or really soon
[03:14] <asac_the_2nd> pitti: i was not sure if the main bug means: gutsy task
[03:15] <seb128> azeem: still the tarball should ship a copy of the license
[03:15] <azeem> sure
[03:15] <seb128> it doesn' in this case
[03:15] <pitti> asac_the_2nd: 'development release'; I closed it now, thanks
[03:15] <asac_the_2nd> ok cool
[03:16] <seb128> brb
[03:31] <Riddell> doko, pitti: kdebindings uploaded without gtk1.2
[03:31] <doko> nice!
[03:33] <pitti> calc: do you prepare an oo.o-l10n upload as well? that one still b-deps on the old portaudio (18), but that's in universe now in favour of 19
[03:34] <calc> pitti: hmm yea i probably should do that
[03:44] <pitti> zul: libvirt is uninstallable because it depends on xen 3.0; can you please have a look at this?
[03:45] <pitti> fabbione: ^ actually, that's your baby, isn't it?
[03:45] <fabbione> pitti: it?s one of my B-D but i didn?t package it
[03:45] <zul> pitti: sure
[03:46] <fabbione> pitti: would be nice if somebody could update it... with Xen knowledge even better
[03:46] <fabbione> zul: thanks
[03:46] <pitti> fabbione: ok; seems that zul is at it
[03:46] <pitti> zul: cheers!
[03:46] <fabbione> pitti: yeps.. thatnks
[03:46] <zul> no probs
[03:46] <pitti> that also explains cman uninstallability and such
[03:47] <fabbione> pitti: yes.. it?s all connected..
[03:48] <persia> pitti: Regarding REVU packages rejected during NEW processing: Do you have any objections to using REVU for communication between sponsorees and sponsors?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> persia: if revu actually had the same login as lp...
[03:49] <pitti> persia: no, I don't, and I'm not familiar with the revu procedures
[03:49] <Hobbsee> persia: and if it actually kept cookies...
[03:49] <persia> pitti: OK.  Thanks.  There was just some confusion.
[03:49] <pitti> persia: it just seems to me that a package which just had a license problem which got fixed needs to be REVUed again
[03:49] <pitti> persia: erm, needs *not*
[03:49] <persia> Hobbsee: Yeah - those would be neat, but it's still a handy dget'able place.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> true
[03:50] <pitti> persia: if that's common practice, it should be done, of course :)
[03:50] <persia> pitti: I totally agree.   Why did glew get demoted 8 minutes ago?
[04:14] <pitti> StevenK: it does not have any reverse dependencies and the library was already in universe
[04:14] <Hobbsee> pitti: it probably hates you too
[04:14] <StevenK> pitti: It has reverse Build-depends in main: rss-glx
[04:14] <pitti> infinity: is adare maybe the wrong buildd to build OO.o?   They _like_ being hammered.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> heh, right then
[04:17] <StevenK> No, I agree with Mithrandir.
[04:17] <StevenK> They *liked* it when I threw 62 rebuilds at them.
[04:17] <pitti> *munch* *munch*
[04:18] <Hobbsee> StevenK: does this mean you'll never touch curl again?
[04:18] <StevenK> Hopefully.
[04:20] <pitti> StevenK: I cleaned gutsy_probs, anastacia, and NBS a bit harder, next publisher run should have some light
[04:20] <StevenK> pitti: Which hopefully isn't an on-coming train. :-)
[04:20] <StevenK> pitti: So what do we do about rss-glx?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> what's wrong with rss-glx?
[04:21] <StevenK> glew was demoted
[04:21] <pitti> StevenK: oh, I moved glew back to main
[04:21] <StevenK> Ah, right.
[04:21] <ogra> StevenK, huh ?
[04:21] <pitti> StevenK: it was just due to my stupidity, after all
[04:21] <calc> pitti: dumb ooo failed on ppc again :(
[04:21] <pitti> checkrdepends <- does not know about virtual packages
[04:21] <pitti> calc: I just noticed, and asked infinity to treat it with some special love
[04:22] <calc> pitti: for the same reason too, sig 15 after 149mi
[04:22] <pitti> calc: adare is apparently unsuitable
[04:22] <calc> pitti: ok thanks! :)
[04:22] <calc> hmm ooo reminds me of NKOTB song ;)
[04:22] <StevenK> Oh good God
[04:23] <calc> lol
[04:24] <StevenK> For those who can't expand NKOTB, consider yourself lucky.
[04:24] <jsgotangco> haha
[04:24] <infinity> pitti: Should be fixed.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hi spam
[04:24] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:24] <pitti> infinity: yay you
[04:24] <calc> StevenK: hehe
[04:25] <calc> for anyone who doesn't know what i was talking about, here you go, if you look don't blame me for gouging your eyes out later ;) http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/You-Got-It-The-Right-Stuff-lyrics-New-Kids-On-The-Block/9CD3256205EB3F62482568B90022130B
[04:26] <StevenK> Evidently, killing over IRC isn't giving the right impression.
[04:26] <calc> hehe i leave tomorrow, i'm safe for now ;)
[04:26] <calc> you can get me in Boston at UDS
[04:26] <StevenK> Is that a promise?
[04:26] <calc> Hobbsee: lol yea
[04:27] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Your myspace page is already evil enough without a pre-boy band boy band polluting it.
[04:27] <calc> i'm pretty sure you would have to be a teen in the early 90s to get the full torture part of the joke ;)
[04:27] <StevenK> I was a teen in the early 90s
[04:27] <calc> StevenK: i'm sorry ;)
[04:27] <StevenK> Yes, so I am.
[04:28] <StevenK> am I, even
[04:28] <StevenK> See, I'm so cut up!
[04:28] <calc> as was i, hence the constant reminder of that song anytime i see reference of ooo
[04:28] <StevenK> I had managed to all but forget about NKOTB ...
[04:28] <StevenK> calc: So, eat flaming death! :-P
[04:29] <calc> StevenK: muhahaha >:-)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> StevenK: now, i dont know about that...
[04:29] <thom> StevenK: it could be worse, it could be kris kross
[04:29] <StevenK> AAAAAAAARRRGGH!
[04:29] <infinity> Don't talk smack about Kriss Kross.
[04:29] <Mithrandir> I think we should all stab calc for starting this conversation.
[04:30] <thom> or salt'n'pepa
[04:30] <StevenK> Agreed
[04:30] <StevenK> GAAH
[04:30] <infinity> thom: Zofia and I were dancing to SnP, no less than two weeks ago...
[04:30] <thom> Mithrandir: defenestration from the 27th floor would do the job admirably
[04:30] <infinity> (At a metal club, no less...)
[04:30] <thom> infinity: post-ironic!
[04:30] <seb128> doko: new ant doesn't want to build on amd64
[04:31] <Mithrandir> thom: true.
[04:31] <StevenK> (While Slayer plays)
[04:31] <doko> seb128: seen, but builds in debian unstable :-/
[04:31] <calc> Jump!  DIE!
[04:32] <calc> Hobbsee: hmm i'm glad Mithrandir is leaving tonight then ;)
[04:32] <Hobbsee> calc: he can still harm you before then.
[04:32] <seb128> doko, pitti: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8471718/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.ant_1.7.0-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:32] <calc> thom: hmm thats another group, that i forgot who it is
[04:32] <thom> calc: house of pain?
[04:32] <seb128> "GC Warning: Out of Memory!  Returning NIL!"
[04:32] <calc> thom: hmm probably so
[04:32] <thom> hey, bad 90s rap
[04:32] <thom> hammertime!
[04:33] <StevenK>  /part
[04:33] <calc> wasn't that 80s
[04:33] <StevenK> Hammer was early 90s
[04:33] <StevenK> And I don't know how or why I remember that.
[04:34] <calc> hmm right at 1990
[04:34] <calc> thats why i thought it was in 80s
[04:38] <thom> mvo: afternoon
[05:04] <nny> Hello, I am interested in hosting a repository for a specific set of packages. I plan on doing this in combination with re-authoring a live cd  stripped down specifically with a particular purpose in mind. I also think it would be wise to allow others to use the version of ubuntu I have created. I know about naming conventions that are not allowed, but want to make sure I am going about this the correct way. Any advice is a
[05:04] <nny> ppreciated. I can be specific if asked
[05:07] <geser> pitti: Hi, do you have an idea why the crash bug team for universe is subscribed to a crash report for a package in main?
[05:08] <pitti> infinity: I just kicked ubuntu livefs builds; on king it works, but on terranova it failed due to obsolete apt (failure to install tasks); is that just a mirroring race condition? BuildLove.out is not very helpful since it does not show any versions
[05:10] <pitti> infinity: s/Love/Log/ (erk)
[05:10] <zul> pitti: fixed
[05:10] <pitti> zul: thanks
[05:25] <infinity> pitti: I'd assume the chroot auto-updating hasn't/hadn't happened yet.  It's daily.
[05:25] <infinity> pitti: I can do it manually, if you need to test.
[05:26] <pitti> infinity: ah, ok; I just wondered why it was done on amd64 already (current live images should be good)
[05:26] <pitti> infinity: nevermind, it'll settle over the weekend
[05:33] <seb128> hi ScislaC
[05:33] <bryyce> seb128: http://pastebin.ca/617871
[05:33] <ScislaC> hi seb128
[05:34] <ScislaC> note that all updates are generally done via synaptic on my system
[05:34] <ScislaC> but dpkg with forcing or purging don't scare me if you need me to do it
[05:35] <ScislaC> don't = doesn't ;)
[05:36] <seb128> ScislaC: do you get the same error if you run sudo gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor?
[05:37] <ScislaC> seb128: yes... the "bad image index" and "The generated cache was invalid."
[05:38] <seb128> ScislaC: does it work if you move /usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache somewhere else and then retry?
[05:40] <ScislaC> seb128: same error
[05:40] <seb128> weird
[05:41] <ScislaC> heh... that's not to reassuring :)
[05:41] <seb128> you likely have something installed there that confuse the cache
[05:41] <shirish> seb128: I have similar issue but with openoffice stuff. please see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29798/ & if there is a specific bug no. associated with it , the icon theme stuff it would be nice.
[05:41] <seb128> shirish: this one is an openoffice bug and fixed version has been uploaded yesterday
[05:41] <ScislaC> to=too (damn fingers)
[05:41] <seb128> that's due to the lack of index.theme
[05:41] <shirish> seb128: I just updated to the fixed version now.
[05:41] <seb128> ScislaC: for some reason your cache seems to be corrupted, dunno why
[05:42] <ScislaC> seb128: any way to clean it out and make it happy?
[05:42] <simira> desrt: are you in London?
[05:42] <seb128> ScislaC: maybe you have installed a package which put a broken image to /usr/share/icons/hicolor, not sure how to figure if that's the case and which one though
[05:44] <ScislaC> seb128: the thing is, this all started with official updates... as I haven't installed anything "new" in at least a month (by new I mean other than what ubuntu-desktop adds itself)
[05:45] <seb128> ScislaC: when did it start?
[05:45] <ScislaC> seb128: roughly a week ago
[05:46] <seb128> ScislaC: did you open a bug?
[05:46] <ScislaC> but I figured it was all part of the normal testing/upgrade woes
[05:46] <azeem> W 2
[05:46] <ScislaC> seb128: it started with packages that there were known issues with, so I didn't file anything new
[05:46] <azeem> oops, sorry
[05:46] <seb128> ScislaC: ls /usr/share/icons/hicolor ?
[05:46] <ScislaC> but it spread from there
[05:47] <seb128> ScislaC: well, you icon cache gets corrupted for some reason, there is one bug about somebody else getting similar problems but lot changed in a week and it's better to report issues when they start
[05:48] <ScislaC> seb128: http://pastebin.ca/617889
[05:48] <seb128> ScislaC: dpkg -S /usr/share/icons/hicolor/autopackage-installer.png ?
[05:48] <seb128> ScislaC: does it work better if you remove that file
[05:49] <shirish> -S is for show?
[05:49] <ScislaC> seb128: if it hadn't have started with packages that others said they had issues with, I would have... given that I work with bryyce on Inkscape, I hate going through the tracker and dealing with closing tons of dupe reports.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> shirish: search.  man dpkg
[05:50] <ScislaC> seb128: said not found on that dpkg line
[05:50] <seb128> ScislaC: yeah, looking at open bugs and try to not send a duplicate is a good idea usually ;)
[05:50] <seb128> ScislaC: does removing it makes things better?
[05:51] <ScislaC> seb128: hmmm... that seemed to help it... it generated the cache successfully
[05:51] <shirish> Hobbsee: thanx :)
[05:51] <seb128> ScislaC: ok, so you installed something out of the packaging system
[05:51] <seb128> which installed this icons at the wrong place
[05:51] <seb128> and break the cache generation
[05:52] <seb128> might be some autopackage crack
[05:52] <seb128> not an Ubuntu bug ;)
[05:52] <seb128> though GTK+ should deal better with those
[05:52] <ScislaC> seb128: I haven't touched my autopackage stuff in over 6 months though
[05:52] <ScislaC> so this just surfaced due to other things getting better and seeing the issue?
[05:53] <bryyce> scislac, could that bad icon have come from an inkscape build?
[05:53] <seb128> ScislaC: maybe GTK+ was not so sensitive about it
[05:54] <shirish> Hobbsee: the lo color KDE1 (icon stuff) is also part of 125400 or is there a different bug filed for that? I ask as I have only GNOME & XFCE so that icon stuff should not be there. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29798/ for reference
[05:54] <Hobbsee> shirish: i believe calc answered that?
[05:54] <ScislaC> bryyce: I would sure hope not... I compile myself and the AP was for something from forever ago
[05:55] <shirish> Hobbsee: he said that upstream should remove it, If somebody has filed a bug in launchpad about it giving some reference to a bug filed upstream, I would like to subscribe to it.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> shirish: then i suggest you search for said bug.
[05:56] <seb128> ScislaC: thanks for the bug report and the help debugging it ;)
[05:56] <shirish> Hobbsee: I'm not trying to be difficult, I dunno what to search for, is there a package named locolor or what?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> shirish: apt-cache search locolor will tell you that, apt-cache madison will show you what the source package is.
[05:57] <shirish> oh ok, I need to get a hang of both this things
[05:57] <Hobbsee> i dont know much about locolor, iconcache, and the like
[05:57] <ScislaC> seb128: hey, thank YOU for helping solve that :)
[05:58] <shirish> Hobbsee: both things returned empty :(
[05:58] <Hobbsee> shirish: then it's not a package
[05:58] <ScislaC> maybe I'll finally be able to get back into Gnome once the packages get right...
[05:58] <Hobbsee> shirish: as in, the first will find the binary packages, and the latter will tell you the source package, among other things
[05:59] <simira> where's the nearest place to get smoe chocolate here?
[06:00] <Hobbsee> simira: haha
[06:00] <Hobbsee> simira: no chocolate for you!
[06:01] <simira> Hobbsee: oh, yes. I'll just have to wait until after dinner ;) And that's in an hours time.
[06:02] <Hobbsee> simira: awwww
[06:02] <Hobbsee> simira: darn you.  i'm wanting some chocolate now!
[06:37] <simira> can someone push Tollef in my direction?
[06:39] <mikmorg> cjwatson: Hello
[06:42] <ubuntuEdgy> helooo
[06:43] <simira> Hobbsee: yihaa!
[06:43] <Hobbsee> simira: :)
[06:43] <Hobbsee> simira: now, i'll need that back, before i next have to go into work
[06:48] <simira> Hobbsee: sure, here you go. Hope I won't need it in Birmingham
[06:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:13] <jcole> anyone here own a gps device and use it on linux? is there any drive by turn gps software in ubuntu?
[07:15] <mjr> this is not the channel you're looking for
[07:16] <mjr> you may go about your business
[07:16] <jcole> ya, sorry, i posted in #ubuntu
[07:29] <ScislaC> seb128: I hate to bug you... so now that I can finally get back in Gnome (yay!), it doesn't looks like gtk themes are working... no matter what I choose it doesn't change anything... any command-line way to debug this?
[07:30] <jcole> ScislaC: try running gnome-settings-daemon
[07:32] <ScislaC> jcole: whoa... that got everything back to normal... any ideas as to why that didn't start? (going to check my sessions now)
[07:32] <jcole> ScislaC: are you running something funky like XGL
[07:32] <ScislaC> jcole: yes... but this didn't happen before
[07:33] <jcole> ScislaC: there you go... gnome-settings-daemon needs to run on the same DISPLAY as gnome is running on
[07:33] <jcole> ScislaC: XGL is an evil hack that does not work well
[07:34] <jcole> ScislaC: if you are using ati, use the open source driver with aiglx and regain sanity
[07:34] <ScislaC> jcole: agreed... and ATI sucks for not letting me use AIGLX ;)
[07:34] <ScislaC> my current card isn't supported by the radeon driver
[07:35] <ScislaC> jcole: but I'm curious as to why this changed... seems weird because as of last week gnome-settings-daemon launched on the correct display. Eh, either way... thank you for clearing that up for me :)
[07:36] <jcole> ScislaC: maybe check your gdm script
[07:36] <jcole> ScislaC: an ubuntu update might have set it "back"
[09:46] <wasabi> hmm, do we have a prefered inetd?
[09:47] <geser> does Ubuntu install a inetd at all by default?
[09:47] <wasabi> don't think so
[10:01] <Rod> Hi
[10:02] <Rod> i read the topic. ... but still :p You people have the knowledge to help me here
[10:03] <Rod> wireless network works under 7.07, under gutsy it doesnt. I copied over the old interfaces file but that isnt enough. Module is the same. What else do i have to copy over to have the exact same network settings ?
[10:03] <ScottK> Rod: Try #ubuntu+1
[10:04] <Rod> thanks ScottK , wasnt aware of that one :)  Goodday'
[10:09] <munckfish> slomo: have you got time to chat about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/service-discovery-applet/+bug/96433?
[10:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 96433 in service-discovery-applet "[apport]  service-discovery-applet crashed with GError in connect()" [Undecided,Fix released]
[11:09] <mikmor1> cjwaston: ping
[11:20] <cjwatson> mikmor1: offline until Monday in about one minute
[11:20] <cjwatson> got your mail though
[11:22] <mikmor1> cjwatson: Thanks
[11:34] <cjwatson> mikmor1: ... and you have mail now. I hope it works :-)


[17:56] <zoopster> itnet7, good to see you...even if it's 2000 miles away. You're looking good. Didn't recognize you.
[19:01] <itnet7> zoopster: hey there!
[19:01] <itnet7> It was great to see you as well, We'll have catch up some time when there's a free weekend
[19:06] <govatent> itnet7, HELLO
[19:06] <itnet7> govatent: hey there!
[19:06] <govatent> how was the trip?
[19:06] <itnet7> It was pretty good, got home around 10:30 PM last night
[19:06] <govatent> wow crazy
[19:07] <govatent> i hope everyone up north is safe
[19:07] <itnet7> Yeah, Began feeling a little jet lag.
[19:07] <govatent> oh yea. forgot about jet lag
[19:08] <itnet7> I have heard from most of my family, and other than still having slight power issues it seems that they all did really well considering
[19:09] <govatent> good to hear
[19:09] <govatent> although i wish that for everyone up there.
[19:09] <govatent> I love that crossover deal you found.
[19:09] <govatent> I was debating about installing it though.
[19:11] <itnet7> govatent: no worries
[19:11] <itnet7> that was a good deal
[19:11] <itnet7> it's good to install it, that way if someone comes up to you and needs help you have the experience
[19:11] <itnet7> it's also good, so that you know what is out there, and the capabilities of Crossover vs. wine vs. cedega if you still have an account
[20:13] <roaksoax> itnet7 how was the flight?
[20:15] <govatent> roaksoax, HEY!!!! although i'm about to step away from the pc for a few mins
[20:16] <roaksoax> hi govatent
[20:26] <itnet7> roaksoax: the flight was good!
[20:26] <roaksoax> itnet7 how about the last couplenof days there?
[20:27] <itnet7> roaksoax: pretty good, Khairul and I went on a Canal Tour, it was pretty cool!! Then we walked around the City some more
[20:28] <itnet7> the last day, I found the Crossfit gym, and did a workout with them. I was also able to find a geocache nearby
[20:28] <itnet7> It was a pretty relaxing time
[20:30] <roaksoax> cool
[20:30] <roaksoax> were u able to find the xhocolates?
[20:31] <itnet7> I didn't see anything that seemed like a good deal, and I was worried that they would not get here without smashing. I took back a lot of swag with me
[20:31] <itnet7> Sorry
[20:38] <stickystyle> Anyone know of a screen capture program that has a circular buffer? I need something to keep a rotating recording of the last 15min of computer usage for IT support  purposes.
[20:39] <stickystyle> I know the windows world has such software, and I could probably hack some CLI together to do it, but I'm looking for premade
[20:41] <stickystyle> We run a in house developed application here, and the is a language barrier with me and the users. So if I could just *see* what they where doing prior to the issue, that would help tremendously.
[20:41] <itnet7> stickystyle: Danile (aka Lupine) created an application called pyscreenie
[20:41] <itnet7> you can get it from his PPA
[20:42] <itnet7> ppa:thelupine/ppa
[20:42] <roaksoax> itnet7 nonworries better caude i grew fatter lol
[20:42] <itnet7> I believe
[20:42] <itnet7> ;-)
[20:42] <itnet7> roaksoax: did you install ubuntu on your n7?
[20:45] <stickystyle> itnet7: Yeah, that's almost there with what I want, periodically scheduled screenshots. I'll look at it, perhaps I can stitch together a MJEG when there is an issue.
[20:45] <stickystyle> Thanks for the pointer
[20:45] <itnet7> No problem hope it helps
[21:22] <roaksoax> itnet7 nah... too slow :)
[21:35] <itnet7> if you install zram-config it gets peppier and usable
[21:35] <itnet7> bbl


[00:25] <Kumool> or open a terminal and use locate
[10:11] <what> fk
[12:33] <Ted__hz> Hello, does anyone know how I can enable num lock on startup? I checked "restore num lock state" in the keyboard settings but it doesnt work
[12:34] <Ted__hz> Also, sometimes the cd/dvd drive randomly pops up without me doing anything, and it didn't happen on other OS, whats wrong?
[12:37] <laceylaney> Have a look at this link for help with num lock.... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock
[12:44] <Ted__hz> laceylaney, I already tried everything listed
[12:45] <laceylaney> Strange that none of those things listed would work.
[12:46] <Ted__hz> let me try again
[12:47] <laceylaney> Try adding numlockx to your LightDM config & then reboot to see if it works....
[12:48] <laceylaney> This method works for me in a xubuntu vm....
[12:55] <Ted__hz> I've managed to activate numlock after the login screen by modifying the keyboards.xml config file for xfce4 (method on arch wiki)
[12:56] <Ted__hz> And to enable it for the login screen I had to add numlockx to lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[12:57] <Ted__hz> one problem solved, any idea concerning the other one?
[12:59] <laceylaney> Sorry I've no idea on the cd/dvd problem. Hopefully someone else on here can help with that....
[12:59] <Ted__hz> no worries, thanks anyway for your help!
[12:59] <laceylaney> Not a problem ^^*
[13:25] <visone> howdy
[13:33] <visone> anyone running kernel 4.18
[13:33] <visone> how is it work?
[13:41] <knome> i am, works for me.
[13:43] <visone> are you using mesa? it´s works betther?
[13:44] <visone> better*
[13:48] <knome> yes i'm also using mesa but i have no idea if it works "better"
[13:48] <knome> eg. i haven't noticed any issues in the past either
[13:50] <visone> ok, thanks
[13:53] <visone> i can´t update yet
[13:55] <visone> in the spanish servers isn´t able yet
[13:56] <knome> which xubuntu version are you running?
[13:58] <visone> 18.04.1
[14:02] <knome> you'll need the HWE packages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[14:02] <knome> this doesn't talk about 18.04 specifically, but the idea is the same
[14:03] <knome> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/linux-headers-generic-hwe-18.04
[14:03] <knome> from the bionic-updates repository
[14:04] <visone> yep
[14:04] <visone> ok, thanks, let me take a look
[21:56] <qwebirc91512> Hi
[22:00] <qwebirc91512> Anybody noticed that chromium-browser 71.0.3578.98-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> version crashes at startup? I get error message "[24276:24276:0207/212817.817209:ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(364)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process."
[22:00] <qwebirc91512> Is there any fix on the way for this or where I should ask for help?
[22:01] <brainwash> qwebirc91512: in #ubuntu
[22:01] <brainwash> you can check launchpad also
[22:01] <qwebirc91512> ofc the error message is everything that happen + 4 running chromium-browser process that I have to kill manually
[22:02] <qwebirc91512> ok, so my Xubuntu flavour does not matter due to the base is ubunut?
[22:02] <brainwash> that's most likely the case
[22:02] <qwebirc91512> cool, thanks. sorry for disturb
[22:58] <xubuntu35d> Hello. I'm using "Reverse scroll direction" with two finger scrolling on a touchpad, and it seemed to work, but it turns out that in some apps it doesn't. So, depending on the app, I either have to move my fingers up or down to scroll down. E.g. in Firefox natural scrolling works, but in Software it doesn't. And then I discovered that in no app is the horizontal scroll axis inverted. I thought I'd ask if there is something I've


[20:46] <olly_> morning
[20:47] <ibeardslee> oh yes morning all
[20:47] <olly_> imminent death of morning predicted


[13:16] <Eickmeyer> bdrung: Are you sure you have your bug title right in bug 1991252? I think you meant audacity 3.2.0+dfsg-1 not 2.4.2~dfsg0-5.
[15:11] <bdrung> Eickmeyer, you are right. let me fix that.
[15:12] <bdrung> corrected
[15:15] <Eickmeyer> bdrung: Awesome, I was confused. :)
[15:25] <Eickmeyer> bdrung: I'm going to try to piggyback ubuntustudio-meta off of that FFe to get audacity added back. Thanks for your work on that!
[15:26] <Eickmeyer> ginggs: ^
[15:26] <ginggs> Eickmeyer: please file a separate bug once audacity is in
[15:28] <Eickmeyer> ginggs: Ok. Only reason is we're seeding the snap now, and I'd rather not, because it bloated the image to oblivion.
[15:32] <ginggs> Eickmeyer: I thought you might want to seed it again ;)
[15:33] <Eickmeyer> ginggs: Am I that predictable? :D
[16:28] <arraybolt3> Everyone who knows you and saw the notice that Audacity's .deb had some hope left immediately knew what the likely next step would be. :P
[16:28] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: ^
[16:29] <arraybolt3> (OK they'd also have to know what happened with the Snap and all, but regardless, congrats on possibly getting Audacity back from the Snap realm. \o/)


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[23:37] <floridagram-bot> Clarey was removed by: KMyers
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 I just revoked the invite link and generated a new one
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[23:38] <floridagram-bot> * ahoneybun blames @AdamOutler
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 @ahoneybun, One of the spam accounts was a member when I posted the new link
 Ah odd.
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