[01:51] <robert_ancell> duflu, hold off committing any changes to XMir - I'm about to rebase it
[01:51] <duflu> robert_ancell: Kay
[01:51] <duflu> robert_ancell: I removed the changes outside of hw/xmir/ so should be easier now
[01:51] <robert_ancell> duflu, yeah, nice work!
[01:51] <duflu> The code changes anyway
[01:52] <robert_ancell> I've kept the rootless as a separate change for now, but we probably can roll it into one patch going forward now those changes are gone.
[01:57] <robert_ancell> duflu, ok all done. Hopefully I haven't broken anything...
[01:57] <robert_ancell> Now to set up a CI train thingy for this
[02:05] <robert_ancell> oh yay. https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/ makes me want to kill myself
[02:08] <duflu> Can we have traditional distros back please?
[02:10] <robert_ancell> duflu, I think the intentions were good but this is a million steps backwards in complexity
[02:11] <duflu> robert_ancell: Absolutely. You're entitled to create complexity, but not when you make it everyone else's problem
[02:16] <robert_ancell> duflu, do you want the LP bug numbers in the debian/changelog?
[02:17] <robert_ancell> It's kind of hard to track them post rebasing
[02:17] <duflu> robert_ancell: Can't hurt, there's only a few. But more interesting are the enhancements to list
[02:17] <robert_ancell> duflu, do you want to summarise the changes then?
[02:17] <duflu> robert_ancell: OK
[02:18] <duflu> robert_ancell: What git commit was the last release?
[02:18] <robert_ancell> duflu, on the pre-rebased branch?
[02:18] <duflu> Never mind. I'll just cover the past few weeks
[02:19] <robert_ancell> There were just those four commits over the 1.17 changes (xmir, rootless, desktop_file_hint and keeping stdout open)
[02:19] <robert_ancell> I don't know why the stdout change was there, but we haven't been using it in the xorg-server package so we can probably drop it.
[02:19] <duflu> Yeah stdout doesn't work still
[02:20] <duflu> robert_ancell: Gimme an hour or so (other tasks in the way)
[02:20] <robert_ancell> duflu, ok
[02:20] <robert_ancell> duflu, do you know what the stdout change is for?
[02:21] <duflu> robert_ancell: Not even looked at it. I just know printf still doesn't work
[02:21] <robert_ancell> But ErrorF works, so is there any reason to make stdout work?
[02:21] <robert_ancell> I'm guessing this is a design decision by upstream?
[02:22] <duflu> robert_ancell: It would be nice if we could use some InfoF instead. DebugF exists but logs nothing
[02:42] <duflu> Heh, Mir gained a new build-dep overnight that is actually good to see... libinput-dev
[02:49] <robert_ancell> duflu, nice!
[03:04] <duflu> robert_ancell: In that email it might be more correct to s/xmir:/Xmir:/
[03:05] <robert_ancell> duflu, which email?
[03:05] <duflu> robert_ancell: The one in your inbox
[03:07] <robert_ancell> ah
[03:07] <robert_ancell> thanks
[03:11] <duflu> robert_ancell: Actually let me rewrite that
[03:11] <robert_ancell> ok
[03:13] <duflu> Done
[03:18] <duflu> For a while I was suspicious and wondering why Xwayland was half the size of Xmir. From what I read recently though that might be because Xwayland is missing features
[03:18] <duflu> Not sure
[03:19] <duflu> robert_ancell: I might have an extra crucial fix for Xmir today. In an hour or two
[03:19] <duflu> Maybe not
[03:19] <duflu> Or 30 min
[03:22] <duflu> robert_ancell: BTW I think you can rebase Xmir in future without losing the commit history
[03:22] <duflu> That would be nice
[03:22] <robert_ancell> duflu, how can you do that?
[03:22] <robert_ancell> have a separate branch?
[03:22] <duflu> robert_ancell: I forget but it's a git feature
[03:24] <duflu> robert_ancell: Oh I just did it by accident. Repushed and everyone's commits are there in chronological order now
[03:25] <robert_ancell> duflu, you git push -f?
[03:25] <duflu> robert_ancell: Nope
[03:26] <duflu> robert_ancell: It was after your merge and includes you merge so I hope everything's there
[03:31] <robert_ancell> duflu, oh, it just has an empty merge commit
[03:31] <duflu> robert_ancell: Yeah the beauty of not having revision numbers is that you can merge things and each commit retains the same identifier it always had
[03:33] <duflu> robert_ancell: YES. Fixed the missing cursors. Let me get that fix in
[03:33] <duflu> It's a Mir bug, but I can work around it in Xmir
[03:36] <robert_ancell> I have to head out for 20-30 mins, bbl
[04:12] <Hock> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1493185
[04:12] <Hock> any chance for this bug to be look at?
[04:16] <RAOF> Looks like someone *is* looking at it? It's assigned to someone.
[04:16] <RAOF> (It might be nice to capture the shaders that your GL is choking on. I wonder if apitrace works on the phone...)
[04:17] <Hock> how do I capture the shaders?
[04:23] <RAOF> You *might* be able to install apitrace on the phone, then modify the unity8 upstart job to run ‘egltrace unity8’ rather than just ‘unity8’.
[04:23] <RAOF> That'd get you a trace of all the EGL + GLES calls unity8 makes, including the sources of the failing shaders.
[05:23] <Hock> no wifi at the moment. :(
[05:23] <Hock> guess have to wait for update to the lp bug
[05:26] <RAOF> You could adb push the relevant .debs, I think.
[05:38] <Hock> sure. given that it might not help as much. it might make more sense to wait for Loïc to find the time to delve into it.
[05:38] <Hock> if he ever get to it as there seem to be quite a number of bugs going on in the toolkit
[05:39] <RAOF> Yeah, always more bugs than people ;)
[05:45] <Hock> sad hard truth
[05:57] <duflu> Sometimes more projects than people :)
[05:59] <Hock> the downside to opensource
[06:00] <Hock> similar projects in some cases fortunately and yet unfortunately
[06:16] <anpok_> apitraces does work yes..
[06:16] <anpok_> -s
[09:26] <duflu> alan_g: Could you do me a favour and audit the SessionMediator? It's starting to look like it forgets to release some resources at least on unclean disconnects. And such bloat would not show up as a leak either, because destructors would clean it up...
[09:26] <duflu> Some of those resources may be fds related to Android graphics
[09:27] <alan_g> I'll add it to the list.
[09:27] <duflu> As usual, not one bug, but multiple bugs in multiple projects... maybe
[12:31] <guest123124> hi all
[12:32] <guest123124> i'm on wily, if i run mir_demo_server in a tty it locks my pc
[12:44] <alan_g|lunch> guest123124: sorry, that's a poor failure mode (there should be better cleanup and a better error message). Mir needs root access in that configuration: just add "sudo".
[12:46] <guest123124> alan_g|lunch, thanks :D shoud i open a bug? maybe other people will try mir and they'll end up with a locked pc and maybe get angry or stuff
[12:48] <guest123124> alan_g|lunch, also, do you know if i "mir_demo_server --vt 1" from terminal would work? should it run mir_demo_server in tty1 and i can then ctrl alt f1?
[12:48] <alan_g|lunch> guest123124: check if there is a bug filed already (it's quite likely)
[12:49] <guest123124> will do
[12:49] <alan_g|lunch> You'll need something like --platform-graphics-lib /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mir/server-platform/graphics-mesa-kms.so.4 to avoid it defaulting to x11
[12:53] <guest123124> alan_g|lunch, like this mir_demo_server --platform-input-lib server-mesa-x11.so.4 --vt 1?
[12:53] <guest123124> alan_g|lunch, like this mir_demo_server --platform-input-lib server-mesa-x11.so.4 - works.. it opens a window (mir on x)
[12:54] <guest123124> i still get Unknown command line options: --vt 1
[12:55] <alan_g|lunch> guest123124: --vt only makes sense when using the kms graphics platform.
[12:57] <guest123124> alan_g|lunch, like this?  mir_demo_server --platform-graphics-lib /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mir/server-platform/graphics-mesa-kms.so.4 --vt 1
[12:58] <guest123124> alan_g|lunch, thanks that worked :P
[12:59] <alan_g> guest123124: yw


[06:09] <Rydia> Any unetbootin devs around?
[11:43] <xivulon> cjwatson, was reviewing initramfs/scripts/local, in relation to bug #226622 and noticed a FIXME (I belive from you) for the mount line
[11:43] <xivulon> # FIXME This has no error checking
[11:44] <xivulon> Would it be possible to put that errorchecking in (at this stage) so that we also address #226622
[11:44] <xivulon> (and possibly do something similar for casper)
[11:44] <cjwatson> I don't think that was from me
[11:45] <cjwatson> the error checking (such as it is) happens later when the initramfs system notices that the root device hasn't really appeared
[11:45] <cjwatson> but yes, it does produce something unclear; though I'm a little worried that there may be some expected failures at that point
[11:47] <xivulon> can we maybe save $? and have a proper panic message within the if [ "LOOP" ] so that it is specific to wubi? Ideally the message should appear also if a user is on usplash
[11:48] <cjwatson> err, I'm really not sure, I didn't write that originally - it sounds reasonable
[11:50] <xivulon> a clear error when ntfs mount fail because of unclean shutdown, would greatly reduce the number of tickets
[12:08] <xivulon> +/- http://paste.ubuntu.com/10492/
[12:11] <xivulon> doing that in casper might be slightly trickier though, since the partition is found heuristically
[13:13] <xivulon> in lupin-casper we could have an error message if iso-scan/filename is set but no ISO is found and similarly in custom-installation
[13:13] <xivulon> we should also check whether the filesystem is mounted ro instead of rw.
[13:13] <xivulon> evand ^^
[14:04] <evand> indeed, that looks roughly reasonable.
[14:10] <xivulon> great, I will do a proper diff later on then, for initramfs-tools and upload some new code into lupin/hardy.proposed as well
[14:11] <xivulon> ps any idea when we will have new dailys with the latest fixes?
[14:12] <evand> cjwatson: ^ I've been wondering this myself.  Is that known yet, or is it still in the planning stage?
[14:15] <xivulon> error codes for ntfs are listed in man ntfs-3g.probe(8)
[14:17] <xivulon> do we have error-remount-ro type of behaviour to worry about?
[14:18] <cjwatson> evand: for hardy you mean?
[14:18] <evand> cjwatson: sorry for not being specific, yes
[14:18] <cjwatson> evand: poke slangasek about that - he has all the equipment now to do it
[14:18] <evand> will do
[14:38] <xivulon> evand, at the end of autopartition-loop we run `apt-install lupin-suport`, when is lupin-support actually installed? in particular is it ok to call update-initramfs in .postinst and is /etc/default/locale available at that stage?
[14:39] <xivulon> this is re #136682
[14:41] <xivulon> I would assume it is fine, but would like confirmation
[14:46] <evand> checking
[14:52] <xivulon> thx
[14:52] <evand> at least in the case of ubiquity, that happens sufficiently late for that to work.  And yes, that should be fine.
[14:53] <xivulon> good, I'll let Tormod know
[15:11] <cjwatson> xivulon,evand: fancy doing a demo of wubi at UDS?
[15:12] <cjwatson> xivulon: I gather you're only there part of the week?
[15:13] <evand> sure, I'd love to help with that
[15:13] <xivulon> cjwatson: absolutely
[15:13] <xivulon> I will be there the last two days, so we can do that thu or fri!
[15:14] <cjwatson> ok, cool
[15:14] <cjwatson> I've asked Scott et al to pencil that in
[15:14] <xivulon> not with my laptop though because it does have ACPI issues :(  (#146692)
[15:14] <evand> cjwatson: speaking of which, did you get the emails on two wubi sessions?
[15:15] <evand> I can furnish a laptop for the task.
[15:15] <xivulon> great
[15:15] <cjwatson> oh, I did, but my agenda is actually oversubscribed right now - if I get it down to the point where they'd fit, that would be fine, otherwise maybe put them into a whiteboard-scheduled slot?
[15:16] <xivulon> we can squeeze in 1 hour I guess if required (as mentioned in my reply)
[15:17] <evand> works for me.  If we run out of time, we can always find vacant space in a hallway.
[15:17] <xivulon> sound good to me too!
[15:18] <xivulon> only requirement is for cking or some other kernel dev to be around when we discusso kernel stuff
[15:23] <cjwatson> xivulon: I'll check with Ben in case he has vacant space on his track - doesn't all need to be on the platform track of course
[15:23] <xivulon> cjwatson: thanks
[15:25] <xivulon> as mentioned by evand, might help to szaka on voip when that happens
[15:25] <cjwatson> the other one's actually already on my track
[15:25] <cjwatson> I've replied by mail
[15:29] <xivulon> souds good, is the migration topic going to be on a separate session?
[15:29] <cjwatson> yes
[15:30] <xivulon> can we have that too thu-fri pls?
[15:30] <xivulon> by the way I was thinking of providing a preliminary script to migrate people over since LVPM has not been update
[15:30] <xivulon> d
[15:31] <xivulon> should be a matter of copying over files + edit menu.lst/fstab + grub-install
[15:31] <xivulon> that is assuming that a target partition is already available
[15:34] <xivulon> talking of which...
[15:36] <cjwatson> I've made a note about your attendance times
[15:36] <xivulon> it might also be possible to migrate to a real partition without installing grub... I.E. reusing C:\ubuntu\disks\boot and only changing kopt root
[15:36] <cjwatson> target partition> this is why it needs to be integrated with ubiquity so that it gets a proper partitioner, boot loader installation, etc.
[15:37] <cjwatson> otherwise you're going to find yourself gradually reinventing ubiquity, even if it seems like a small job at first
[15:37] <xivulon> as mentioned in boston I am in favor of ubiquity integration :)
[15:37] <cjwatson> I think it's better to reinstall grub - otherwise a user might quite reasonably think they could delete Windows and then bang goes Ubuntu too
[15:38] <xivulon> makes sense
[15:38] <xivulon> the script mentioned above is only to "fill the hole" while LVPM and or Ubiquity are ready
[15:56] <xivulon> I would assume that the Ubiquity migration functionality is supposed to be used via CD, correct?
[15:57] <xivulon> any chance of making that also available as an app (possibly using unpartitioned space and/or partitions with no fs/files)?
[15:57] <cjwatson> I don't think it's fair to make assumptions about something that hasn't really been designed yet ... :-)
[15:58] <cjwatson> there's no reason you couldn't run ubiquity from a regular system as long as it had something stable to copy from
[15:58] <cjwatson> while it needs to know about CDs, it's not intrinsically tied to them
[15:59] <xivulon> Ah I was thinking more in terms of feature freeze
[15:59] <xivulon> since that would require a new ubiquity to be installed in 8.04
[16:04] <evand> xivulon: I'm confused.  What does this have to do with 8.04?
[16:10] <xivulon> evand, say users of wubi in 8.04 want to migrate to a real partition, can we still help them out once the migration facility is in ubiquity?
[16:10] <xivulon> one way is to wait for ubiquity 8.10 on CD, the other is to let such users install a version of ubiquity to 8.04 with migration facility and use that
[16:11] <xivulon> sorry if I wasn't clear
[16:14] <xivulon> I guess that they can use LVPM in the meantime, no biggie
[16:28] <evand> well, we can discuss this at length at UDS, but regardless of the technical merits, I don't think a brand new feature like this is going to make it into hardy-proposed.
[16:30] <xivulon> yeah was expecting that.
[16:30] <cjwatson> I'm sure it would be possible to build something unofficial
[16:31] <xivulon> since the migration tool will be unofficial anyway for 8.04 users (whethere my own scripts or LVPM) we might also consider some early PPP ubiquity build maybe
[16:31] <xivulon> cjwatson you beat me :)
[16:32] <xivulon> s/PPP/PPA
[16:43] <xivulon> evand I think that Tormod branch is almost ready for hardy.proposed (#136682
[16:44] <xivulon> I would like to do some changes to the panic messages in lupin-casper re #226622 but I guess it is better to keep things separately
[16:46] <evand> xivulon: ok, I'll have a look at it and merge it in.
[16:46] <xivulon> can we also have ubuntu-testing to play with http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14240142/lupin-support_0.16%2Blocale110_all.deb
[16:49] <xivulon> evand I already have a hardy.proposed branch https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/lupin/hardy.proposed (which is now same as final)
[16:54] <evand> ok
[16:54] <mario_limonciell> evand, i saw that there is a udeb for gptsync.  is that actually used anywhere right now/
[16:54] <xivulon> not sure if overriding LANG in /etc/default/locale is desirable
[16:56] <xivulon> otherwise code looks good to me :)
[16:56] <mario_limonciell> either rdepends doesn't appear to work on udebs, or i don't believe it's in use at all
[17:00] <evand> mario_limonciell: as far as I can tell it's done inside partman now:
[17:01] <evand> partman-efi (11ubuntu3) feisty; urgency=low
[17:01] <evand>   * Remove gptsync code; parted does this itself now as of version
[17:01] <evand>     1.7.1-3ubuntu3.
[17:01] <evand> parted (1.7.1-3ubuntu3) feisty; urgency=low
[17:01] <evand>   [ Matthew Garrett ]
[17:01] <evand>   * gptsync.dpatch: Perform automatic GPT/MBR partition table
[17:01] <evand>     synchronisation (LP: #46853).
[17:01] <evand> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/6603773/gpt.diff
[17:01] <mario_limonciell> ah hm.  i suppose that doesn't handle with recovery partitions well then
[17:02] <mario_limonciell> per scott davilla's indication to the mailing list, i started to dig a little bit into it
[17:03] <mario_limonciell> i wonder if  that patch is literally lifted from gptsync
[17:03] <mario_limonciell> or what not
[17:03] <cjwatson> I have seen a report of problems with recovery partitions, yes
[17:03] <evand> curious, those mails landed in my inbox, but I didn't get them in the ML folder.
[17:03] <cjwatson> I understand it was pretty much from gptsync, but there may be some divergence
[17:04] <cjwatson> I'd appreciate somebody who can conveniently test it looking into it
[17:04] <cjwatson> mario_limonciell: BTW, I've heard reports that Dell is shipping some systems with four primary partitions, which is obviously very inconvenient if you want to install Linux later. Do you know anything about this?
[17:05] <mario_limonciell> cjwatson, this i've not heard.
[17:05] <mario_limonciell> could you point me to some indications/  i can poke around
[17:06] <mario_limonciell> cjwatson, re gptsync, why was the code integrated into partman rather than just living in the udeb and calling that binary in the first place, do you know/
[17:06] <mario_limonciell> [sorry, my shift is broken right now due to vmware messing a few things up]
[17:07] <cjwatson> mario_limonciell: unfortunately it was just on IRC
[17:07] <cjwatson> mario_limonciell: (in theory) much more robust to do it inline in parted, required fewer scary partman hacks, etc.
[17:07] <cjwatson> ensures that people can't screw up their systems by running parted and forgetting to run gptsync
[17:07] <mario_limonciell> but less maintainable in the sense of newer gptsync versions etc
[17:07] <cjwatson> it's a trade-off
[17:08] <mario_limonciell> ah yeah i see.
[17:08] <cjwatson> gptsync surely doesn't change *that* often
[17:08] <cjwatson> and libparted ought to know everything about how to handle partitions, really
[17:08] <mario_limonciell> well unfortunately the version that is in debian and ubuntu doesn't handle the recovery partitions either
[17:08] <cjwatson> how are they supposed to be handled?
[17:08] <mario_limonciell> i sent a ping to the debian maintainer about updating it
[17:08] <mario_limonciell> well it's fixed in the 0.11 release
[17:08] <mario_limonciell> he just hasn't touched the package since 2006
[17:10] <mario_limonciell> i'm a bit new to the whole thing, and was looking at it out of curiosity after seeing that there has been these successes with getting ubuntu on the apple tv
[17:13] <cjwatson> I suspect the answer is simply to forward-port patches from gptsync one by one
[17:14] <mario_limonciell> that's very attainable then.  i'll make some notes of this conversation, scott may be convincing me to get one of these atv's in the near future so i may be able to help with that.
[17:16] <mario_limonciell> cjwatson, re the 4 partitions, i'll send some e-mails around.  if you get any more indications of models or locales this is happening in, could you let me know/
[17:16] <cjwatson> ok, I'll keep my ears open, thanks
[17:16] <cjwatson> seems like it should be a general policy to use logical partitions wherever possible
[17:18] <mario_limonciell> i agree, but unfortunately some of the overseas factory teams sometimes aren't very cognoscente of the possibility of people needing more than 4 partitions for any reason
[17:18] <cjwatson> that's why it needs to be policy rather than left up to individual initiative ;-)
[17:18] <mario_limonciell> ;]
[17:19] <cjwatson> Ubuntu only creates a primary partition now if there isn't one already, so it should be as well-behaved as you can get in this regard
[17:39] <mario_limonciell> cjwatson, initial responses back would like to know which locale at least.  do you know where the person(s) who indicated this were located?
[17:41] <cjwatson> mario_limonciell: I looked at my logs; it was astronut on #ubuntu-devel, who I believe is in the US
[17:41] <cjwatson> 17:40 [Freenode] -!- astronut<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:41] <mario_limonciell> cjwatson, okay.  i'll pass that on. thanks
[17:41] <cjwatson> he wasn't very clear, but he did claim that it came with four primaries
[17:41] <cjwatson> 20:39 <astronut> cjwatson: i'm not sure... thisone has a a tiny fat16, two large ntfs (C: and D:, d has label backup and had some empty folders and some data) and then a hidden fat32 w/ restore data
[17:43] <mario_limonciell> both for the tiny fat16 utility partition, the recovery partition, the factory process doesn't allow for non primary (internal limitations), but i'm not sure why a backup partition would have been created, especially being primary
[17:49] <cjwatson> can Windows cope with being booted off a logical partition?
[17:50] <mario_limonciell> I'm not sure
[17:51] <mario_limonciell> even if it couldn't, that backup partition if really necessary should be able to be logical
[17:52] <cjwatson> yeah, you'd have thought
[17:55] <mario_limonciell> I don't suppose windows can be booted off of a logical partition, because a DOS MBR can't address a logical partition in an extended partition
[18:01] <CIA-1> lowmem: cjwatson * r74 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 1.28
[18:02] <CIA-1> lowmem: cjwatson * r75 ubuntu/debian-installer-startup.d/S15lowmem: revert to Debian's version
[18:03] <CIA-1> lowmem: cjwatson * r76 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.28ubuntu1
[20:18] <evand> Is there any reason why we don't currently disallow /boot (or by extension /) on XFS in ubiquity or include lilo to use with it in such circumstances?
[20:39] <CIA-1> partman-target: evand * r723 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish.d/clear_partitions):
[20:39] <CIA-1> partman-target: * Ensure that if we clear the root partition, / is owned by root:root
[20:39] <CIA-1> partman-target:  (LP: #224446).
[22:09] <xivulon> Hi tormod, I am Ago
[22:09] <xivulon> thanks a lot for the locale patch :)
[22:12] <tormod> xivulon: hi! it's an honour  - wubi is the  greatest thing
[22:12] <xivulon> ...after sliced bread
[22:12] <xivulon> ...and d-i
[22:12] <xivulon> ...and ubiquity
[22:13] <xivulon> :)
[22:13] <tormod> for linux adoption... since the live cd
[22:13] <tormod> or vfat support :)
[22:15] <xivulon> you seem capable with c also, and have windows
[22:15] <xivulon> there is one bug I cannot understand and have looked at the 200 times
[22:15] <xivulon> maybe a pair of fresh eyes would help
[22:16] <xivulon> bug #207137
[22:16] <xivulon> there is a stand-alone app (see hampus comments)
[22:16] <tormod> I only have a USB drive with an (unbootable) ntfs partition, but I can boot into NT with vfat.
[22:17] <xivulon> basically this is a small app to extract a CD to an ISO
[22:17] <xivulon> code is very simple: gets a handle for the device, keeps reading it in a loop and pushes the bytes into a file
[22:19] <xivulon> yet for some users it does not work (usually at the end) and you get 2 or 3 (different) errors
[22:20] <xivulon> code is here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14044790/CD2ISO.zip
[22:21] <xivulon> compiled with http://www.codeblocks.org/
[22:21] <xivulon> of course the above is an open invitation for anyone else since myself and hampus are out of idea
[22:22] <xivulon> s
[22:22] <xivulon> evand, you too ^
[22:23] <xivulon> this is the last bug I am tracking for point release (have a few open ones but those should be manageable)
[22:27] <xivulon> tormod also added a small comment for #136682
[22:28] <xivulon> ehm c++
[22:59] <cjwatson> evand: we should definitely make it possible to install lilo. GRUB+XFS has a race condition; it may work for some people but it can't currently be made to work across the board
[23:17] <Zelut> cjwatson: are you around?
[23:17] <cjwatson> Zelut: for a short while
[23:18] <cjwatson> it's late for me and I have an early meeting tomorrow
[23:18] <cjwatson> feel free to leave a message or send mail
[23:18] <Zelut> I was going to do some preseed work to automate an ubuntu-server install.
[23:18] <Zelut> anything you might be able to point me to?
[23:21] <cjwatson> start with https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/, and you probably also want to make sure you incorporate each of the things in /preseed/ubuntu-server.seed from an Ubuntu server CD unless you explicitly choose otherwise
[23:36] <xivulon> evand panic text re 226622 http://paste.ubuntu.com/10631/


[00:04] <BUGabundo> this darn bug is still open? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/363558
[00:04] <BUGabundo> man, we are so NOT getting a good release this cycle
[00:07] <Twigathy> :S
[00:08] <Twigathy> wow
[00:08] <Twigathy> yep, I get that bug too
[00:08] <Twigathy> That's a bit...er....rubbish :/
[00:09] <BUGabundo> hey Twigathy
[00:09] <Twigathy> heya
[00:10] <Twigathy> Can't say I use g-s-m too often, but for a regular desktop user wanting to fiddle priority... that bug is a bit of a showstopper
[00:13] <richardcavell> Hi, everyone.  I had the networking problem yesterday.  I can only use networking if I run sudo service apparmor stop.  In my update manager, network-manager-gnome is being 'held back'.  Can anyone explain this?
[00:14] <stas> i don't think that my bug is caused by openssh
[00:14] <BUGabundo> hey richardcavell
[00:14] <richardcavell> hey BUG
[00:14] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: let me guess: you got the new NM ?
[00:14] <richardcavell> yep
[00:15]  * BUGabundo blames asac
[00:15] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: please hit TAB for autocompete
[00:15]  * stas gnight
[00:15] <richardcavell> I downloaded the new network manager, and my networking didn't work any more.  We were discussing it yesterday.  Someone came up with sudo service apparmor stop as a way of getting networking working again.
[00:16] <richardcavell> So I did that, then did update/upgrade overnight while I slept.
[00:16] <richardcavell> Now my computer has updated a whole stack of things, but network-manager-gnome is being 'kept back' according to apt-get
[00:16] <richardcavell> and it's gray in update manager
[00:16] <douglasawh-work> richardcavell: any reason you don't use the -force (or whatever it is)?
[00:16] <richardcavell> douglasawh-work: is that what I should do?
[00:16] <scizzo-> force?
[00:17] <richardcavell> I was told that there would be an update to apparmor, not network-manager, to fix the situation
[00:17] <richardcavell> at the moment the only way I'm online right now is by stopping apparmor
[00:17] <scizzo-> richardcavell: can you check the changelog to see if a dep is removed from either of the packages that are not going to be installed?
[00:18] <scizzo-> richardcavell: that is either of the greyed out once?
[00:18] <richardcavell> scizzo-: um, how do I do that?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> douglasawh-work: don't force it!!!!!
[00:18] <connex> where is the menu.lst in grub 2?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> it will break depencies that SHOULD matche or NM won't work
[00:18] <BUGabundo> if it fails to get dependcies something is not building
[00:18] <yofel> !grub2 | connex
[00:19] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: use aptitude safe-upgrade instead
[00:19] <BUGabundo> also try one of the NM PPAs
[00:19] <th1> connex, its got grub.cfg instead
[00:19] <scizzo-> richardcavell: in a terminal without using anything else just type: apt-get -u dist-upgrade and check what lib comes up that is being removed....DO NOT REMOVE IT OR INSTALL ANYTHING
[00:19] <BUGabundo> we have 0.7.1, 0.7+ modem-manager and 0.8
[00:19] <scizzo-> richardcavell: or follow BUGabundo's info
[00:19] <scizzo-> richardcavell: safer to use the one that BUGabundo said
[00:20] <richardcavell> BUGabundo: is network-manager up to 0.8 though
[00:20] <richardcavell> BUGabundo: last night it was 0.7.1-git
[00:20] <richardcavell> but I was told that asac was preparing a solution
[00:20] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: $ apt-cache policy network-manager | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/247572/
[00:20] <douglasawh-work> richardcavell: actually, the dist-upgrade is how I ended up fixing one of these before I think
[00:20] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090702t164632.9c8e600-0ubuntu1~nmt1
[00:21] <BUGabundo>      0.7.1.git.5.272c6a626-0ubuntu1 0
[00:21] <BUGabundo> so archive as .7.1
[00:21] <BUGabundo> PPA 0.8
[00:21] <BUGabundo> douglasawh-work: $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[00:21] <BUGabundo> where do i know your nick from douglasawh-work?
[00:21] <connex> thanks, th1, yofel
[00:21]  * scizzo- is wondering what lib the old 0.7 net manager was dependent on...
[00:21] <douglasawh-work> BUGabundo: well, I've been in here before
[00:22] <BUGabundo> identica maybe??
[00:22] <douglasawh-work> yeah, but I'm daw there since pm whined about not being about to type douglasawh
[00:23] <BUGabundo> eeheeh
[00:23] <BUGabundo> I though I knew. welcome
[00:24] <richardcavell> BUGabundo: Okay, I'm currently doing apt-get update.  I'll then do safe-upgrade and get back to you.
[00:24] <aboSamoor> kubuntu 4.3 still not in the repositories ?
[00:25] <BUGabundo> should be
[00:25] <scizzo-> aboSamoor: you mean KDE 4.3?
[00:25] <BUGabundo> humm
[00:25] <BUGabundo> maybe PPA for now
[00:25] <BUGabundo> them they will copy the packages
[00:25] <aboSamoor> scizzo-, yeah
[00:26] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, which ppa ?
[00:26] <connex> I can't get sound and it tells me the output device is null
[00:26] <BUGabundo> kubuntu team maybe ? LOLOL
[00:27] <connex> gnome-settings-daemon
[00:27] <connex> Xlib:  extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":1000.0".
[00:27] <connex> how bad is it?
[00:28] <scizzo-> aboSamoor: not sure...like BUGabundo said...check kubuntu team
[00:28] <scizzo-> aboSamoor: I have only seen libs at that version from the repos...not sure the whole stuff is there yet
[00:28] <scizzo-> aboSamoor: or if it will be
[00:28] <th1> connex, its normal if you're connecting to a remote desktop or something like that
[00:29] <connex> ok,
[00:29] <th1> what's :1000.0 anyway
[00:29] <connex> what about the sound?
[00:29] <BUGabundo> if it is not
[00:29] <BUGabundo> give them a few hours
[00:29] <BUGabundo> they tend to work FAST
[00:29] <BUGabundo> but PPA should be updated
[00:29] <BUGabundo> connex: no idea
[00:29] <BUGabundo> file a bug
[00:30] <BUGabundo> don't get your hopes high. dtchen is traveling so he won't have time to look into it
[00:30] <aboSamoor> yeah, their backport ppa contains kde 4.3 but it is compiled against jaunty. so adding the ppa won't pull kde 4.3
[00:31] <scizzo-> th1: echo $DISPLAY
[00:31] <scizzo-> th1: it is the display or the screen number...
[00:32] <BUGabundo> ah??
[00:32] <BUGabundo> are you sure?
[00:32] <BUGabundo> they have a ppa for karmic
[00:32] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: you must be looking in the wrong place
[00:34] <scizzo-> th1: as a example if you would have 2 Xorgs running on the same machine...one of them would be: :0.0 and the other would be something like :0.1 or the like....it just sets the number of the display...
[00:34] <scizzo-> th1: check with BASH and $DISPLAY information to find out more...
[00:40] <th1> scizzo-, I know what it is
[00:40] <th1> but what kind of display is :1000
[00:56] <richardcavell> Guys I've run update-manager and there are two items that are greyed out.  I ran sudo aptitude safe-upgrade and this is what I get: http://pastebin.com/f18e66375
[01:00] <richardcavell> How do I get it to install the new network-manager-gnome?
[01:00]  * BUGabundo checks
[01:00] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: pastebin apt-cache
[01:01] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: $ apt-cache policy network-manager | pastebinit
[01:01] <richardcavell> http://pastebin.com/f7f8f2235
[01:06] <Sarvatt> woohoo i can tether with the broadcom propritary drivers, i guess it was something broken in b43 lately
[01:07] <Sarvatt> wlan1: No active IBSS STAs - trying to scan for other IBSS networks just pops up with b43, doesnt like the ad-hoc network with WEP
[01:08] <BUGabundo> could be worse Sarvatt
[01:09] <richardcavell> BUGabundo: any ideas?
[01:09] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: no
[01:10] <BUGabundo> no idea why you are hanging back
[01:10] <BUGabundo> can you pastebin modem manager too?
[01:10] <richardcavell> I just found out
[01:10] <richardcavell> I have to remove libmbca0
[01:10] <richardcavell> gotta log out now.    All is well.
[01:16] <BUGabundo> YAY
[01:16] <BUGabundo> next time try aptitude force-upgrade
[01:16] <BUGabundo> to see what's left
[01:16] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[01:17] <richardcavell> After what happened yesterday I don't think I'll be updating for a while
[01:17] <BUGabundo> WARNING: IT MAY BREAK YOUR LCD  and make you cry like a baby
[01:17] <Sarvatt> really should dist-upgrade during development, its normal for packages to get obsoleted and get removed like that
[01:17]  * bcurtiswx mutes BUGabundo
[01:17] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: worse! the more you update the less diff you may end up
[01:18] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: "the function you have selected has not implemeted yet. We are sorry"
[01:18] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: how are you ?
[01:18] <richardcavell> the only reason why I want Karmic is because of the newer Intel drivers anyway
[01:18] <bcurtiswx> sudo apt-get remove BUGabundo
[01:19] <richardcavell> I notice that Firefox 3.0.13 isn't in the repos yet.  It was released yesterday.
[01:19] <bcurtiswx> i wish theyd finally make firefox 3.5 default
[01:19] <BUGabundo> $ apt-get remove #ubuntu+1, world, universe: y,N,WHAT?
[01:19] <bcurtiswx> more testers is a good thing
[01:19] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: it won't be
[01:19] <BUGabundo> we are going with 3.5
[01:20] <bcurtiswx> like actually do it in the repos
[01:20] <BUGabundo> it was supposed to be TODAY on ppa security for testing
[01:20] <BUGabundo> if it works, archives get 3.5 default
[01:20] <richardcavell> I prefer 3.0
[01:21] <bcurtiswx> whats so special about 3.5 anyways?
[01:22] <SeveredCross> Better JavaScript engine, private browsing, supposedly svelter memory usage.
[01:24] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: why???
[01:24] <BUGabundo> its sooo slow
[01:24] <BUGabundo> and 3.6 is even faster
[01:24] <BUGabundo> and much less mem
[01:24] <BUGabundo> $ top | grep fox
[01:24] <BUGabundo> 23299 bugabund  20   0  749m 225m  30m S    1  5.7  22:42.21 firefox-3.6
[01:25] <richardcavell> that is actually your username?
[01:25] <BUGabundo> no
[01:25] <BUGabundo> its bugabudno
[01:25] <BUGabundo> *bugabundo
[01:25] <BUGabundo> top crops it
[01:27] <richardcavell> Okay well I'm not using Update Manager for another month
[01:30] <BUGabundo> :)
[01:34] <hggdh> makes sense
[01:34]  * BUGabundo loves to tell devs about bugs, regression, and watch them say its not their fault
[01:35] <BUGabundo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=508387
[01:48]  * QPrime reads through the backlog and discovers that is IS possible to have a bigger ego than bjsnider... BUGabundo, you WIN! ;)
[01:50] <BUGabundo> hey
[01:51] <BUGabundo> at least I'm good at something other then denting and filing bugs
[01:51] <BUGabundo> soooooooo
[01:51] <QPrime> *grin*
[01:51] <BUGabundo> we have a new patch for multisearch
[01:51] <BUGabundo> I wonder who is going to enable it back and test
[01:51] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[01:53] <DanaG> Not I... I've actually dpkg-diverted the thing to get rid of it.
[01:54] <virtuald> i hope no one who uses the 64-bit flash player missed this: http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb09-10.html (or anyone who didn't install through apt)
[01:54] <DanaG> Oh, and "multisearch" is a misnomer.
[01:54] <DanaG> if anything... it's an anti-multisearch.
[01:54] <DanaG> Google has multiple search types..... "multisearch" removes them!
[01:54] <DanaG> Bwahahaha.
[01:55] <BUGabundo> virtuald: already closed all my browsers
[01:55] <BUGabundo> what's that link about?
[01:55] <BUGabundo> I have flash 64bits , the new one for a few days
[01:56] <BUGabundo> sound is a total mess on the new flash
[01:56] <virtuald> bugabundo: then you have the newest
[01:56] <virtuald> yeah sound dies for me
[01:57] <BUGabundo> ok
[01:57]  * DanaG sticks to nspluginwrapp'd 32-bit one.
[01:57] <BUGabundo> err
[01:57] <BUGabundo> that's ugly
[01:58] <virtuald> i can't find the SRU
[01:58] <DanaG> ... but it lets you killall -9 npviewer.bin!
[01:58]  * BUGabundo $ mv /home/BUGabundo /dev/bed ; $ echo process delayed. HURRY UP
[01:59] <DanaG> Can't do that with bare flashplugin.
[01:59] <virtuald> o.o
[01:59] <DanaG> I was browsing online, and something started hammering my CPU.... and I realized that, oh, it's Flash being sucky, as usual.
[01:59]  * DanaG hits it with SIGKILL
[01:59] <BUGabundo> or JS on GMail :(
[01:59] <DanaG> Aah, much better.
[01:59]  * DanaG uses gmail via imap.
[01:59] <BUGabundo> dIMAP here
[02:00] <BUGabundo> NOW BED
[02:00] <BUGabundo> bye
[02:00] <DanaG> D-imap?
[02:00] <DanaG> or was that a typo?
[02:00] <DanaG> Grr: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2009-August/002183.html
[02:01] <virtuald> dimap?
[02:01] <virtuald> disconnected imap
[02:02] <DanaG> ah.
[02:02] <DanaG> Something the battstat applet gives, that g-p-m does not give: accurate power usage info.
[02:02] <DanaG> Or rather, directly read from battery -- so it seems more correct than g-p-m's estimates.
[02:02] <virtuald> o.o
[02:03] <DanaG> And it shows percentage of charge at a glance.
[02:03] <DanaG> Can't do that with gnome-power-manager.
[02:03] <virtuald> i don't use batteries - does g-p-m have some heuristic?
[02:04] <DanaG> Yeah.  It profiles the battery over time.
[02:04] <virtuald> ok
[02:04] <DanaG> But in my case, it underestimates the accuracy of my battery's capacity indications.
[02:04] <DanaG> Says it's 0% accurate when below 50% battery, when it's really just fine.
[02:06] <virtuald> did you report it?
[02:06] <DanaG> Hmm, I've usually just ignored it.
[02:06] <virtuald> ok
[02:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and battstat applet shows the time right in the panel.
[02:07] <DanaG> g-p-m just shows this vague sort of ballpark-figure percentage thingy, via icon changes.
[02:07] <DanaG> 0, 20, 40, 60, 80, 100.
[02:11] <bjsnider> QPrime, what are you talking about?
[02:18] <DanaG> hah, and the mouse battery thingy has only 0, 60, and 100.
[02:18] <Sarvatt> hmm, i cant even add the battery charge monitor applet :(
[02:19] <DanaG> You probably already have the update installed.
[02:20] <Sarvatt> is it from the battery-stats package DanaG?
[02:20] <DanaG> no, it's from the gnome-applets package.
[02:20] <Sarvatt> when i try to add Battery Charge Monitor (Deprecated) it runs /usr/lib/gnome-applets/null_applet --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_NullAppl
[02:20] <DanaG> http://battstat.sourceforge.net/
[02:21] <Sarvatt> devicekit-power is all screwed up for all of my laptops, it thinks its fully charged when i unplug no matter what
[02:21] <DanaG> Note the nicer thing: one icon for power state, one icon for percent charge.
[02:21] <DanaG> Though oddly, the one in gnome is not exactly the same as this one here.
[02:22] <Sarvatt> i didnt like the old one at all, preferred g-p-m back when it worked
[02:22] <Sarvatt> but if it actually works i'll gladly use it (not that i can for some reason)
[02:22] <DanaG> because... it's been removed!
[02:23] <Sarvatt> i've just been using a bash alias to cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state :(
[02:24] <Sarvatt> wonder if it'd work right if i rebuilt d-k-p and g-p-m with hal support
[02:26] <Sarvatt> just read that you have problems with it underestimating capacity, have you tried changing the gconf settings for it? i saw a bunch that change how it determines that
[02:27] <DanaG> It also underestimates accuracy.
[02:27] <Sarvatt> like in /apps/gnome-power-manager/general/
[02:27] <DanaG> Gnome devs at work: notice how much more configurable the battstat-applet used to be.
[02:27] <DanaG> Now there's just layout options.
[02:32] <Sarvatt> maybe try disabling /apps/gnome-power-manager/general/use_profile_time so it can relearn it or something I was thinking
[02:32] <DanaG> odd... compiz's scale "close window" feature on middle button... only closes ONE window.  you have to move the mouse a bit before it'll highlight the next window to move under the mouse.
[02:33] <DanaG> So, I can sit there hitting my middle button to close window, over and over.... and it ignores me.
[02:35] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/gpm.txt thats what i get, i'm sitting here on battery power and it thinks its fully charged
[02:36] <DanaG> hmm, does it ever give updates at all?
[02:36] <DanaG> I normally see multiple of the battery-info thingies, as it reports changes.
[02:37] <Sarvatt> nope it doesnt give updates until i plug in again
[02:37] <Sarvatt> ohhh interesting
[02:37] <Sarvatt> i killed devkit-power-daemon and restarted it then restarted g-p-m and its right
[02:38] <Sarvatt> wonder if it has something to do with it thinking the lid is always closed
[02:40] <Sarvatt> its even decreasing, didnt just load the right values and die there or anything
[02:42] <FloridaGuy> from 9.04 to 9.10...what would be better or faster...my netinstall cd...or upgrade
[02:43] <Sarvatt> do you want to change anything like switching to ext4?
[02:44] <Sarvatt> lol! screen just blanked, maybe the reason I havent been having this problem lately is because g-p-m hasnt been working
[02:44] <FloridaGuy> .... /boot..../...../home already ext4 and runing grub2
[02:45] <virtuald> gpm is a console mouse daemon so it did confuse me a bit before as i don't have a laptop
[02:45] <Sarvatt> you'll want to make sure you reinstall grub2 to the mbr after in any case, jaunty's cant handle some of the options the one in karmic uses
[02:45] <virtuald> i mean you calling gnome-power-manager gpm
[02:45] <Sarvatt> we're talking about gnome-power-manager, sorry about that
[02:46] <virtuald> <:
[02:46] <virtuald> no problem
[02:46] <FloridaGuy> wouldent upgradeing do all that
[02:46] <Sarvatt> its not for alot of people, dunno why
[02:46] <FloridaGuy> sence im alrady useing grub2
[02:47] <Sarvatt> its upgrading grub2 on the system but not installing the updated grub2 to the mbr
[02:47] <Sarvatt> if you get errors about --no-floppy just sudo grub-install /dev/whatever
[02:48] <FloridaGuy> i dont have a floppy so dont have to worry about that
[02:48] <zaccour> how is 3 alpha?
[02:48] <zaccour> is it faster than the current?
[02:49] <zaccour> huh?
[02:49] <DanaG> ughm stupid youtube.
[02:49] <DanaG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKcLp33QgFg&feature=related
[02:49] <DanaG> Try clicking the seek bar... it ignores me.
[02:49] <DanaG> Same for all the other buttons.
[02:50] <zaccour> how is the alpha 3?
[02:50] <zaccour> should i upgrade now?
[02:51] <hggdh> zaccour, it is always a bet. For me, with rare exceptions (like this morning) it has been rather stable for a development series
[02:51] <hggdh> in other words: no issue I could not get myself out
[02:51] <zaccour> whats the default theme look like?
[02:52] <FloridaGuy> August 13th...alpha3
[02:52] <FloridaGuy> alpha4
[02:52] <hggdh> *that*, I do not know... don't use it
[02:52] <FloridaGuy> looks just like 9.04
[02:55] <FloridaGuy> im going to do a install from the netinstall cd..want to use a different mirror then they have on the install disk.....would this be right.....      ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/ubuntu/dists/karmic/
[02:55] <hggdh> as long as the mirror is up-to-date, no problems
[02:56] <FloridaGuy> as far i know....i install the kernel <IP_ADDRESS> on 9.04....just to see what it would do on there
[02:56] <FloridaGuy> worked
[02:58] <hggdh> so your machine supports the kernel. Good. Now, you can either bite the bullet, and upgrade, or try to run a liveCD and see what happens
[02:59] <FloridaGuy> i dont even download the ubuntu live cd's anymore...for some reason with ubuntu the only installs that will install for me is the netinstall
[03:00] <hggdh> for me, I have always installed with the alternate CD -- I use LVM, and multiple partitions on all my machines, and the liveCD did not support it (don't know nowadays, though)
[03:01] <Sarvatt> ohh good info on the g-p-m idle session problem here -- http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/07/30/accidental-blanking-and-gnome-power-manager/
[03:01] <FloridaGuy> had 9.10 on the system the other day....could get my usb stick working....then i did a mount  -t vfat   /dev/sdf1   /media/usb...got it mounted but wasent able to write to it
[03:10] <Sarvatt> FloridaGuy: yeah you need some extra options for vfat usually, doing it through nautilus or whatever would add those. try mount -t vfat -o uid=1000,umask=077,utf8,shortname=mixed /dev/sdf1 /media/usb
[03:11] <Sarvatt> your user probably didnt have permission to write to it
[03:19] <oldude67> just to let you all know i did the retard update today and lost my internet..had to spend most of the day fixing my mess up..(
[03:19] <oldude67> so now i have the little icon down on the task bar telling me that the network manager is fubarred right now..ugh.
[03:21] <oldude67> ugh be back in an hour or so cause i didnt set up my full set of hard drives..it used the small one instead.
[03:23] <Sarvatt> whats wrong with network manager for people?
[03:23] <Sarvatt> he wasnt the first i've seen say that but i have no problems with the latest one
[03:24] <DanaG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKcLp33QgFg&feature=related
[03:24] <DanaG> why is it that people always feel the need to type........their.............demo...........text..........annoyingly..........slowly............
[03:24] <DanaG> instead of just having it already typed in ahead of time?
[03:25] <DanaG> oh, and flash seems to be ignoring mouse clicks.
[04:54] <yoasif> anyone seeing a gdm bug where as soon as you select a user and the login box gets smaller, the space formerly occupied by the box becomes black?
[04:54] <DanaG> yeah, happens to me.
[04:55] <yoasif> has that been reported?
[04:55] <virtuald> yes
[04:55] <yoasif> i think this is it
[04:55] <yoasif> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/405392
[05:19] <DanaG> har: http://xkcd.com/
[05:20] <DanaG> Unfortunately, Adobe is the one to blame here.
[05:20] <akio> yep
[05:20] <akio> I want smooth flash
[05:21] <akio> html 5 baby
[05:21] <DanaG> I want non-cpu-devouring, non-crashing Flash.
[05:21] <akio> you save the chrome experiments?
[05:21] <DanaG> I still like nspluginwrapper, because it lets me nuke flash objects very quickly:
[05:21] <akio> saw*
[05:22] <DanaG> woot:  killall -9 npviewer.bin
[05:23] <akio> I hope flash becomes obsolete
[05:25] <DanaG> Me too.
[05:26] <yoasif> i hope canvas + svg + js kills it
[05:26] <yoasif> and <video>
[05:27] <akio> that is html 5 no?
[05:28] <DanaG> handy thing I did with my gdm: enabled the volume-control plugin.
[05:28] <DanaG> So now my volume slider thingy works there.
 will not kill flash without more codec support and more browser support
[06:40] <DanaG> grr, screen randomly blanked.
[06:53] <pace_t_zulu> anyone else having problems with pulse audio?
[06:54] <kklimonda> no ;)
[06:54] <kklimonda> seriously, works fine here :)
[07:10] <pace_t_zulu> kklimonda: yeah, it seems as if it is an issue in pulseaudio's interaction with ff3.5
[07:11] <DanaG> PA works fine for me, too.
[07:11] <kklimonda> pace_t_zulu: works fine with ff3.5
[07:11] <pace_t_zulu> DanaG, well if it works for you it must be ok ;)
[07:11] <DanaG> I use the 32-bit Flash.
[07:12] <pace_t_zulu> kklimonda: i'll look into it further before i bring it up again
[07:12] <DanaG> npviewer.bin is nice... it crashes when Flash fails, instead of letting Flash take down Firefox itself.
[07:12] <DanaG> =þ
[07:12] <kklimonda> DanaG: well, the question remains when have you last seen crashing flash plugin ;)
[07:13] <DanaG> All the time.
[07:13] <DanaG> Or rather
[07:13] <DanaG> I see it hammer the CPU... so I kill it.
[07:13] <DanaG> With nspluginwrapper, you can do that.
[07:13] <DanaG> killall -9 npviewer.bin.  bye bye, flash cpu usage!
[07:14] <pace_t_zulu> i'm having trouble with youtube videos...
[07:14] <pace_t_zulu> hmm
[07:14] <DanaG> yeah, they don't respond correctly to clicking!
[07:14] <DanaG> wtf... my panel applet shows my audio muted...
[07:14] <DanaG> I uncheck "mute" -- it stays muted (checked)!
[07:15] <DanaG> Oh, it's that stupid "Minimum volume is the same thing as mute" idea.
[07:15] <DanaG> NO IT'S NOT!  YOU'RE WRONG, GNOME!
[07:15] <DanaG> =þ
[07:15] <DanaG> If I uncheck "mute" and it stays muted.... that's broken.  No matter how you slice it.
[07:17] <pace_t_zulu> yea youtube videos fastforward
[07:17] <pace_t_zulu> it's lame
[07:17] <kklimonda> I hate that totem is intercepting all media keys..
[07:18] <kklimonda> what's really funny is the fact that it's not even running anymore
[08:00] <pierce> anyone know why when I open new tabs in firefox, I always get redirected to the ubuntu version of google?  same with when I use the firefox search bar
[08:01] <pierce> I tried disabling the ubuntu firefox plugin, and the ubuntu google page is not my home page, so I don't know what the deal is
[08:02] <soc1> hi
[08:02] <soc1> nautilus is segfaulting here ...
[08:02] <soc1> any bug report?
[08:18] <nhasian> pierce, I'd like to know how to change the default page that opens with new tabs...
[08:24] <pierce> nhasian: what do you see when opening new tabs?
[08:24] <nhasian> i'm running firefox-3.5 and it always opens up the ubuntu-google page.  i'd rather it open www.google.com/ig
[08:24] <floating> be brave and use chromium browser \o/
[08:25] <nhasian> chromium doesnt yet have flash for 64 bit
[08:25] <floating> oh
[08:25] <pierce> I need the adblock and noscript :-/
[08:25] <floating> i have an adblock on chromium
[08:25] <floating> adsweep or such, is not as good as firefoxs adblock+ though
[08:25] <nhasian> dangit google, get on the ball.  where did all my investments in GOOG go?
[08:26]  * floating goes to see whats noscript
[08:26] <pierce> noscript is amazing, everyone should use it
[08:27] <nhasian> pierce, whats it for?
[08:27] <floating> especially me, because with my poor intel grapchic controller, the flash on websites tend to harass my cpu
[08:27] <pierce> started out as a way to control what domains you want to be able to execute javascript in your browser, but it has a ton more features now
[08:28] <floating> but i guess i manage without, since i'm not gonna run the heavyish firefox except for some debugging
[08:29] <pierce> noscript now has very good protection against most forms of xss and crsf attacks
[08:29] <pierce> in general, it gives you much more control about security
[08:30] <pierce> it can also do things like https enforcement, and proper handling of files (so attackers can't hide executables in images etc)
[08:31] <pierce> but that really doesn't have much to do with karmic :-)
[08:31] <pierce> I was told to come here and ask about why ubuntu has taken over many of my firefox options, since people in the normal ubuntu channel didn't want to tell me
[08:31] <nhasian> hackers can hide executables in images?  since when?
[08:33] <pierce> about a year ago at blackhat they talked about the gifar concept
[08:33] <Boohbah> pierce: yeah, what software do you have that executes images?
[08:33] <pierce> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1619
[08:33] <nhasian> pierce, if you dont want firefox to be customized for ubuntu then just uninstall firefox-3.0-branding
[08:33] <pierce> there are basic protections in place that block the original attack, but the problem is far from being completely solved
[08:34] <Boohbah> pierce: notice the part about Java
[08:34] <pierce> I never installed firefox branding..  I didn't even know I had done that
[08:34] <pierce> Boohbah: do you think java is pretend so you don't need to worry about it?
[08:36] <pierce> dammit, removing the branding removed firefox
[08:37] <pierce> The following packages will be REMOVED:  firefox-3.5 firefox-3.5-branding
[08:38] <Boohbah> pierce: no, i'm saying you only need to worry about executable code hidden in image files when you are running java, and my browser usually pops up a window asking me to confirm that i want to run java
[08:38] <nhasian> cant you install firefox without the branding?
[08:38] <nhasian> if it wont let you do it from the ubuntu repo, i'm sure you can do it from the mozilla ppa
[08:39] <pierce> nhasian: I see nothing that would let me do that  apt-get install firefox pulls in branding, and apt-get remove branding removes firefox
[08:40] <pierce> Boohbah: it only asks your permission when it thinks it's loading a jar file, not when your browser is loading an image
[08:41] <pierce> that's the problem
[08:42] <nhasian> pierce, try installing the firefox from here instead: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa
[08:43] <nhasian> hang on i think this is more current: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[08:45] <pierce> not really sure I need to run the most recent version of firefox possible :-/  I just want to get my normal search results back
[08:46] <pierce> and the big orange ubuntu logo every time I make a new tab is annoying
[11:13] <mac_v> anyone having problems with the latest updates?
[11:19] <oldude67> g/morning all
[11:21] <mac_v> oldude67: heya.... what where the problems with the latest network manager updates? any wireless problems?
[11:22] <oldude67> idk about wireless as im on a hard line, but the manager itself is fubarred.
[11:22] <oldude67> icon in task bar says its highly unstable and will cause your desktop to crash, and it sure did.
[11:23] <mac_v> so its better to delay the network manager updates?
[11:23] <oldude67> i could see my eth0 card and i could modprobe it , but it wouldnt work no matter what i did.
[11:23] <oldude67> yes i would say so.i am
[11:24] <mac_v> i'm using wireless and surely i dont want to loose connection :)
[11:24] <oldude67> i couldnt even get a google connect..so i was lost and i just said the heck with it and started over..didnt have anything important on here yet to lose..thank god.
[11:26] <oldude67> but i was being impatient and tried another one of those partial updates and i really know better but...duh..did it anyways.
[11:26] <oldude67> although after all of this im getting good at fixing the grub for my intel video..lmao
[11:33] <loonyphoenix> my notify-osd stopped working
[11:33] <loonyphoenix> how do I restart it?
[11:38] <loonyphoenix> nevermind
[11:39] <gnomefreak> what the net connection bug fixed?
[11:40] <loonyphoenix> btw, what's the holdup updating firefox? why is karmic still running 3.0?
[11:41] <gnomefreak> loonyphoenix: 3.5 is going to be a little while to become default
[11:41] <oldude67> gnomefreak, not here it isnt.
[11:42] <loonyphoenix> what depends on firefox anyway?
[11:42] <oldude67> im using the kde network manager right now with an icon that says dont use the other it may crash your desktop.
[11:42] <gnomefreak> oldude67: you shouldnt have 3.5 as default yet
[11:42] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:42] <oldude67> yeah i was talking about network manager sorry.
[11:42] <oldude67> and i dont.
[11:42] <loonyphoenix> I understand reluctance at upgrading core components, but Firefox?
[11:42] <gnomefreak> loonyphoenix: its not that so much that is holding it up its more of xulrunner holding it up
[11:43] <loonyphoenix> what is xulrunner used for?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> loonyphoenix: it will be done soon (before next release)
[11:43] <gnomefreak> loonyphoenix: alot of apps have moved to depend on it
[11:43] <oldude67> was going to say its going to have to be done soon as things are going to be put on freeze before long i would think.
[11:44] <gnomefreak> so you can remove firefox without having the whole system be removed (done in jaunty)
[11:44] <gnomefreak> oldude67: it will, we are working on it. one major factor is do we remove xul.....1.9.0 and ff3.0 from repos all together
[11:45] <oldude67> ah i see, you know you will have die hards that will have a fit if you get rid of it all together.
[11:45] <gnomefreak> other things have kept me busy the past coupleof months but i will know when it happens before most
[11:46] <gnomefreak> oldude67: i know hence the major facktor
[11:46] <gnomefreak> ignore the typos its way too early
[11:46] <oldude67> i hear ya..lol
[11:47] <gnomefreak> asac is working on it with a couple of other devs
[11:48] <gnomefreak> be back
[11:48] <soc1> nautilus is segfaulting here ...
[11:48] <soc1> any bug report?
[11:49] <oldude67> soc1, i dont know if there is a bug report or not but i know there have been several people in here complaining about it.
[11:50] <soc1> mh ok
[11:50] <soc1> oldude67: looks really weird when the panel is filling up
[11:50] <soc1> because it tries to restart nautilus everytime it segfaults ...
[11:51] <oldude67> well dont know about weird but a pain in the arse sounds more like it.
[11:51] <soc1> right :-)
[11:52] <oldude67> is nautilus a file manager like dolphin i forget?
[11:55] <Mathematician> oldude67: yeah, dolphin is a file manager
[11:56] <oldude67> yeah i knew that was wondering about nautilus im googling now to see..lol im old so i forget things easy..lmao
[12:01] <gnomefreak> oldude67: apt-cache show nautilus  show give you everything
[12:02] <oldude67> thats cool google had a ton of crap about it..but it answered my question for me.
[12:20] <sash_> Hello together. I tried to install karmic from a mini-iso to a virtualbox on jaunty. I created LVM and Encryption of /, /home and swap. Everything worked fine, until i started the installation of the system. I was told, the package <dontremember>.release.tar.gz would be broken and if I would install from a CD, I should burn it more slowly. Well, its an image ;). Before I start searching, I wanted to ask,
[12:20] <sash_>  if there are any known issues with karmic-mini.iso, lvm or encryption in the actual release? I am sure, that I have a networkconnection in the virtual machine (there is NAT by default in vbox and the gui tells me, it would be connected). Thanks for help.
[12:20] <sash_> sry...
[13:04] <diverse_izzue> does bluetooth work even just remotely for you guys on karmic? on my thinkpad t60 i can't do anything with it...
[13:09] <ClapBedon> hi there
[13:10] <gnomefreak> hi
[13:11] <ClapBedon> I need a hand with a dist-upgrade
[13:12] <ClapBedon> I was trying to upgrade to karmic but had to shut it down while downloading packages (i've got a very slow connection)
[13:12] <ClapBedon> But when I try to restart dist-upgrade, it doesn't show karmic anymore
[13:13] <ClapBedon> but says that my system is fully up to date
[13:14] <ClapBedon> any idea ?
[13:19] <ClapBedon> should /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release mention karmic in some way ? I really don't know
[13:27] <Pici> ClapBedon: I don't even have that file on my machine.... What does lsb_release -a report?
[13:28] <ClapBedon> Pici : that's it jaunty 9.04
[13:29] <Pici> ClapBedon: Then it sounds like your upgrade didn't complete sucessfully.  What tool did you use in the beginning to upgrade to Karmic?
[13:29] <ClapBedon> No LSB modules are available. ; Distributor ID:	Ubuntu ; Description:	Ubuntu 9.04 ; Release:	9.04 ; Codename:	jaunty
[13:29] <ClapBedon> update-manager -d
[13:30] <ClapBedon> i had to close it while it was still downloading packages
[13:30] <ClapBedon> so nothing got installed at all
[13:30] <Pici> ClapBedon: Thats at least good, what happens if you run update-manager -d again?
[13:31] <ClapBedon> it tells me that I'm up to date, and that no newer distribution is available
[13:34] <Pici> ClapBedon: hrmm.. Could you try doing do-release-upgrade -d   perhaps?
[13:34] <mac_v> awalton: Hi... i'm confused about the bug , http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590500 , i dont think its a dup
[13:37] <awalton> mac_v, from your latest attempt at explaining it, it is and it isn't. you want a composited icon container, just not desktop-specific, and that's not something we're ever likely to do.
[13:39] <mac_v> awalton: oh ok... well it was just a feature request :)
[13:40] <awalton> the only reason we really should add it for the desktop case is just so that nautilus can stop caring so much about the wallpaper
[13:40] <ClapBedon> Pici : it's slowly downloading something
[13:41] <awalton> it's really not nautilus' job, but since it draws the icons on the desktop, we inherited it :/
[13:43] <mac_v> :(
[14:08] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[14:13] <stevepearce> hello BluesKaj
[14:14] <BluesKaj> hey stevepearce
[14:28] <BluesKaj>  I've had a shutsown prob since I upgraded to 4.3, been using sudo halt . Anyone else experiencing this ?
[14:32] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: sorry nope
[14:36] <stevepearce> BluesKaj, same, everything is working correctly
[14:39] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, stevepearce , it's no biggie , just a small annoyance . I'm sure a dev will fix it eventually
[15:13] <andresmh> my Karmic is working decently well and I see there are a bunch of updates. Is there a place where I can read what known bugs there are if I want to update?
[15:17] <mac_v> andresmh: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha3#Known%20issues
[15:18] <andresmh> thanks mac_v. How can I check what alpha version I have? I don't remember :-/
[15:20] <mac_v> andresmh: $ uname -a    gives the kernel , but i dont think there is a way to find alpha version
[15:20] <Laibsch> anybody have an idea what may be preventing me from logging in to X unless I disable bash-completion? -> bug 408804
[15:20] <andresmh> ok, no prob
[15:20] <Laibsch> Andybody else seeing that?
[15:25] <hggdh> Laibsch, I had bash-completion disabled. I will enable it, and try. brb
[15:32] <ClapBedon> Pici : are you still there ?
[15:32] <hggdh> Laibsch, I cannot confirm -- I logged in without issues. Per the last entry in the bug, this would be on the /etc/bash_completion.d/pbuilder-dist
[15:32] <hggdh> and I do have pbuilder installed
[15:33] <hggdh> weird. Anyway, there are now two affected by this, so I am marking confirmed
[15:34] <Laibsch> really?
[15:34] <Laibsch> need to check the bug again
[15:34] <hggdh> :-)
[15:35] <hggdh> Laibsch, it would be good if you could confirm the error to be at the same place
[15:35] <Pici> ClapBedon: Partially
[15:35] <Laibsch> hggdh: Are you CdA?
[15:35] <hggdh> Laibsch, yes, I guess I am
[15:35] <Laibsch> :-D
[15:35] <Laibsch> Then you failed counting ;-)
[15:36] <hggdh> dammit!
[15:36] <ClapBedon> Pici : I finally got the message that after updating information on my packages, the essential package 'ubuntu-minimal' could not be found and that it is an important error
[15:37] <hggdh> how did I confuse RL with RL... I do not know. I will blame it to my incipient migrane, though...
[15:37] <hggdh> Laibsch, I will return the bug to NEW, then, OK?
[15:37] <Laibsch> sure
[15:38] <Laibsch> I wonder about the inner workings of that bug
[15:39] <hggdh> so do I
[15:46] <BluesKaj> hmm I see medibuntu is still unreachable
[15:59] <BluesKaj> archive.canonical.com is also not connecting
[16:00] <bjsnider> works here
[16:01] <jpds> bjsnider: Works here.
[16:01] <jpds> tracepath would be helpful.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, which server ?
[16:04] <bjsnider> archive.canonical.com
[16:05] <BluesKaj> main or canada
[16:05] <bjsnider> but that's just a subdomain of canonical.com
[16:05] <bjsnider> it may not even be a different physical machine
[16:05] <bjsnider> no, i just typed it into the browser
[16:10] <BluesKaj> it's a repos source site , bjsnider
[16:10] <bjsnider> yes i see that
[16:12] <BluesKaj> medibuntu repos still isn't connecting
[16:13] <BluesKaj> hmm, maybe my sources.list needs updating :)
[16:14] <EagleScreen> medibuntu is downloading well for me
[16:18] <BluesKaj> yeah, EagleScreen but you're in Spain, I'm in Canada
[16:25] <BluesKaj> aha, aptitude is balking at medibuntu and archive.canonical but apt isn't
[16:36] <aboSamoor> is gnome shell available in karmic ?
[16:38] <jonathonf> not yet, at least not in the repos
[16:38] <jonathonf> you can compile it though
[16:38] <SeveredCross> I think there's a PPA
[16:38] <aboSamoor> what about this ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell
[16:38] <SeveredCross> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[16:46] <jonathonf> lol, the version of gnome-shell on that ppa makes me slightly nervous :D 0.0.1~git
[16:50] <hggdh> Laibsch, ping
[16:50] <aboSamoor> jonathonf, anyway, it is broken
[16:51] <jonathonf> ah, yes, failed to build :(
[16:59] <slacker_nl> is karmic only available by ISO or can I also get it via do-release-upgrade?
[17:04] <mac_v> slacker_nl: you can do either
[17:10] <Zorael> Hum, where are karmic's KDE 4.3 packages?
[17:13] <jonathonf> kde team ppa?
[17:15] <jonathonf> Zorael: if you can't wait for them to be put into the main repo packages are available backported for jaunty
[17:15] <jonathonf> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[17:16] <Zorael> use jaunty's packages, you mean?
[17:16] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035 <- still nobody with this issue ? :s
[17:17] <Zorael> obviously an alternative. I just figured that the chances of me not looking in the right places was higher (than the solution being to add the ppa as a jaunty ppa)
[17:17] <Zorael> were* higher
[17:17] <slacker_nl> mac_v: what do I need to put in /etc/update-manager/releasesomething file
[17:17] <slacker_nl> Prompt is either: never, lts or normal
[17:18] <mac_v> slacker_nl: #update-manager -d
[17:18] <mac_v> run that^
[17:18] <slacker_nl> mkay
[17:18] <mac_v> no need to edit /etc
[17:19] <slacker_nl> mac_v: do you have a non-gui method?
[17:19] <mac_v> slacker_nl: i dont know
[17:20] <slacker_nl> mkay
[17:21] <jonathonf> yeah, i presume karmic packages are in the process of being built/approved
[17:22] <slacker_nl> mac_v: do-release-upgrade -d
[17:22] <slacker_nl> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/installing-upgrading.html
[17:24] <Zorael> Suddenly karmic packages are (partially) available ;3
[17:32] <alphaaquilae> hello world, my mic doesn't work, can someone help me to configure it?
[17:36] <alphaaquilae>  hello world, my mic doesn't work, can someone help me to configure it?
[17:37] <scizzo-> Zorael: what exactly do you mean with that?
[17:37] <scizzo-> Zorael: do you mean partial upgrade comes up?
[17:38] <alphaaquilae> i have an integrated mic in my sony viao computer, yet i can't record with it
[17:38] <Zorael> scizzo-: No, just commented on earlier exchange. karmic KDE 4.3 packages, couldn't fetch them earlier and now they're partially available.
[17:38] <jonathonf> lol, good good :)
[17:38] <jonathonf> i need to set up a vm to test kubuntu... i want to see what's changed in KDE 4.3
[17:38] <jonathonf> hmm... whether to install from an Ubuntu iso then install kubutu-desktop, or download a whole new Kubuntu iso...
[17:39] <scizzo-> Zorael: might be because they are not fully there yet
[17:39] <scizzo-> Zorael: you should check with kubuntu team instead
[17:39] <jonathonf> alphaaquilae: heard you the first time, was looking on ubuntuforums for the same problem
[17:40] <jonathonf> alphaaquilae: go to the sound manager, click the hardware tab, select your hardware, make sure it has both input and output selected in the drop down menu.
[17:40] <jonathonf> alphaaquilae: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1230642
[17:40] <scizzo-> dupondje: have you tried running aptitude using another user?
[17:40] <scizzo-> dupondje: also with another terminal like xterm?
[17:50] <alphaaquilae> jonathonf: can't fine hardware tab, do you mean by sound manager volume control or sound preferences?
[17:51] <jonathonf> system, preferences, sound
[17:51] <jonathonf> check the setup in hardware
[17:51] <jonathonf> then make sure a device is selected under input
[17:52] <alphaaquilae> yes i've already checked it, but i can't fine hardware tab, i have only devices and sound tabs?!
[18:01] <jonathonf> alphaaquilae: could you check the version of gnome-media with $ apt-cache policy gnome-media
[18:02] <alphaaquilae> jonathonf: gnome-media:
[18:02] <alphaaquilae>   Installé : 2.26.0-0ubuntu3
[18:02] <alphaaquilae>   Candidat : 2.26.0-0ubuntu3
[18:02] <alphaaquilae>  Table de version :
[18:02] <alphaaquilae>  *** 2.26.0-0ubuntu3 0
[18:02] <alphaaquilae>         500 http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages
[18:02] <alphaaquilae>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[18:03] <jonathonf> are you running karmic?
[18:03] <jonathonf> no
[18:03] <jonathonf> that would be why
[18:03] <jonathonf> i have version 2.27.5
[18:05] <alphaaquilae> what should i do then jonathonf?
[18:05] <Pici> alphaaquilae: This channel is only for Karmic (9.10) discussion and support. Support for current versions of Ubuntu can be found in #ubuntu
[18:05] <jonathonf> i would suggest you try #ubuntu-fr or #ubuntu
[18:06] <alphaaquilae> can't get a reponse from there
[18:06] <alphaaquilae> thx anyway
[18:07] <jonathonf> there will be a solution, but without a jaunty box to poke about on i can't help you any further ;)
[18:07] <coz_> alphaaquilae,   if no one responds in a channel . .. it's likely no one is avaiable who knows the answer...however...if you try #linux  channel....you may get an answer :)
[18:08] <alphaaquilae> ok i'll try it
[18:08] <alphaaquilae> thanks
[18:09] <coz_> no problem
[18:10] <cdE|Woozy> if I change the balance setting to something other than "middle" in gnome-volume-control and change the volume after that, balance bounces back to middle. bug in gnome-volume-control, then?
[18:18] <bernier> Hi, I want to break my system. How can I upgrade from jaunty to karmic?
[18:19] <jonathonf> lol
[18:19] <jonathonf> update-manager -d
[18:19] <jonathonf> but it likely won' break
[18:19] <jonathonf> :)
[18:20] <bernier> I know, but I usually get a warning when I ask this type of question
[18:20] <bernier> thank you.
[18:20] <curtis_> So I want to break my system. Upgrade method please?
[18:21] <jonathonf> whoa
[18:21] <bernier> lmao
[18:21] <jonathonf> deja vu
[18:21] <jonathonf> $ update-manager -d
[18:21] <curtis_> say wuh?
[18:21] <jonathonf> but it likely won' break
[18:21] <curtis_> oh wow that's it
[18:21] <curtis_> easier than I thought
[18:21] <jonathonf> yeah :)
[18:21] <curtis_> will it keep all my settings or am I have to install everything again?
[18:21] <jonathonf> keep everything
[18:22] <curtis_> oh nice
[18:22] <jonathonf> justy like a normal distribution upgrade
[18:22] <bernier> I'm using kubuntu, which seems not to have update manager
[18:22]  * jonathonf uses plain Ubuntu
[18:22] <jonathonf> i have no idea, i'm sure there is a way
[18:22] <curtis_> well here's hoping to it not breaking, but just incase I also have Debian, Vista, 7, and OSX Leopard installed
[18:22] <curtis_> overkill?
[18:22] <curtis_> probably
[18:22] <jonathonf> lol, no
[18:22] <jonathonf> i have karmic, 7 and 10.5.6 also :)
[18:23] <curtis_> bernier: this is what you get for using kubuntu
[18:23] <bernier> lol
[18:23] <curtis_> trust your processor to deal with a regular load
[18:23] <curtis_> it's what it's made for trust me
[18:23] <curtis_> 10.5.6?
[18:23] <curtis_> wtdaf?
[18:23] <curtis_> the NEW new ubuntu?
[18:24] <bernier> lol
[18:24] <bernier> mac
[18:24] <jonathonf> lol
[18:24] <curtis_> oh okay
[18:24] <curtis_> yeah just looked
[18:24] <curtis_> they want me to Bet Snow Leopard
[18:24] <curtis_> or did
[18:24] <curtis_> actually I think they still do
[18:24] <curtis_> I'm like HARD DRIVE WILL MELT!!!!
[18:25] <jonathonf> not sure Snow Leopard will install on mine... at least not yet
[18:25] <curtis_> I haz huge processor
[18:25] <jonathonf> lol
[18:25] <jonathonf> it's not the size of it that counts...
[18:25] <curtis_> oh but it IS the processor
[18:26] <bernier> i7?
[18:26] <curtis_> hold on
[18:26] <curtis_> shallrun lspci
[18:26] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/2:8.632-0ubuntu1/+changelog
[18:26] <DanaG> hmm... does that include the patches to make it work on 2.6.30 and 2.6.31?
[18:27] <jonathonf> danag: i think that was in previously
[18:27] <curtis_> i7-975 Extreme 3.86 GHz 8MB cache
[18:27] <jonathonf> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/
[18:27] <curtis_> 1 Terabyte of HD
[18:27] <curtis_> 16 of RAM
[18:28] <curtis_> 16GB that is
[18:28] <curtis_> Alienware <3
[18:28] <bernier> got it for kubuntu in case someone wants to know, it's: update-notifier-kde -d
[18:28] <jonathonf> DanaG: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/2:8.620-0ubuntu3/+changelog
[18:28] <DanaG> hmm, doesn't say anything about those patches in the new one.
[18:28] <bernier> 5000$?
[18:28] <curtis_> far far more
[18:29] <curtis_> more than I want to admit to
[18:29] <bernier> 8k?
[18:29] <curtis_> higher
[18:29] <bernier> lol
[18:29] <curtis_> it was more than the paypal transaction limit LMFAO
[18:29] <DanaG> You speaking of desktop, or laptop?
[18:29] <curtis_> desktop
[18:29] <bernier> could have built the same with much lower price
[18:29] <DanaG> google for HP Z800.
[18:29] <jonathonf> was thinking it's expensive for a desktop
[18:29] <bernier> parts by parts
[18:29] <DanaG> Now that... is a beast of a machine.
[18:29] <curtis_> http://www.alienware.com/products/alx-x58-desktop.aspx?SysCode=PC-ALX-X58-R2&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT
[18:30] <curtis_> no my friend
[18:30] <curtis_> THAT is a beast of a machine
[18:30] <curtis_> and that is mine
[18:30] <curtis_> but with all the upgrades at max
[18:30] <curtis_> except for one I think but I forget which :P
[18:30] <bernier> are you rich?
[18:30] <curtis_> not particularly
[18:30] <curtis_> actually not at all
[18:31] <curtis_> but one spring and summer working on computers at best buy and not spending a dime on ANYTHING, and that's what I decided to get
[18:31] <bernier> can you run CS 1.6 with > 100 FPS?
[18:31] <curtis_> I have no idea
[18:31] <jonathonf> but will it run Crysis?
[18:31] <curtis_> I've never tried
[18:31] <bernier> lol
[18:31] <bernier> suely you do
[18:31] <curtis_> nothing will run Crysis
[18:32] <curtis_> they like to say t's because your system sucks ass
[18:32] <curtis_> really it's because the game sucks ass
[18:32] <curtis_> :P
[18:32] <jonathonf> lol
[18:32] <jonathonf> have to admit i've never tried it
[18:32] <jonathonf> i'm happy with CoD4 running in Wine :D
[18:32] <jonathonf> quite impressed it works as well as it does
[18:33] <curtis_> Here's the real question right here
[18:33] <DanaG> http://www.justechn.com/2009/05/27/review-hp-z800-8-core-workstation
[18:33] <curtis_> why haven't you just downloaded and installed the FREE Windows 7 RC
[18:33] <curtis_> because guess what
[18:33] <curtis_> that works about four times better than wine does
[18:33] <jonathonf> i have
[18:33] <jonathonf> but it means i have to reboot just to play games :)
[18:33] <curtis_> well then RUN IT IN 7 DAMNIT
[18:33] <bernier> yeah I have it and I gotta admit it runs great
[18:34] <curtis_> Yeah I was expecting ass when they asked me to alpha test but it was NICE
[18:34] <curtis_> although at that stage unrealistically buggy
[18:34] <jonathonf> the beta was pretty amazing for a beta
[18:34] <curtis_> which was sad because it corrupted that sector of the HD after a few weeks testing
[18:34] <jonathonf> though having said that it was effectively vista+
[18:34] <curtis_> yeah the beta it was SIGNIFICANTLY improved
[18:35] <curtis_> it was WAY beyond Vista+
[18:35] <curtis_> and even if it was, if you take out the shit problems in Vista, you would have a good OS
[18:35] <jonathonf> true
[18:35] <curtis_> 7 does this, so ultimately whatever you want to call it it works incredibly well
[18:35] <jussi01> !ot
[18:35] <jonathonf> be back soon
[18:36] <curtis_> jussi01: you just blew my mind onto the ceiling, shall join that channel after joining this one after being told the FIRST one is the wrong on to discuss Ubuntu Karmic
[18:37] <jussi01> curtis_: my backlog is filled with vista discussion, whats in yours?
[18:38] <curtis_> if you are reffering to the last three minutes then yes quite obviously mine is filled with the same
[18:38] <jussi01> curtis_: ,y point exactly. lets try to stick to karmic, shall we?
[18:38] <curtis_> yes lets
[18:39] <jussi01> curtis_: thanks :)
[18:39] <curtis_> jussi01: First one's free ;)
[18:42] <curtis_> is there an ubuntu channel for compiling a personal kernel as well or is that a shot in the dark with no impact heard?
[18:44] <hix> #kernel ?
[18:59] <aboSamoor> the new sound properties does not have mixer ? anyway to be sure that the mic configured correctly
[19:01] <BUGabundo> my android G2 arrived WOOT
[19:01] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, with karmic ?
[19:02] <BUGabundo> ehehheheheehe
[19:03] <Sarvatt> yuck, why'd you pick a G2 over a G1? :D
[19:03] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, how much does it cost ?
[19:04] <BUGabundo> 225€
[19:04] <Sarvatt> i dont think theres even any terminal apps that use an onscreen keyboard :(
[19:04] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, this is with the lease ?
[19:05] <BUGabundo> nope
[19:05] <BUGabundo> fully paid
[19:05] <EagleScreen> kvkbd is onscreen keyboard
[19:05] <Sarvatt> i mean for android
[19:07] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: for the fun stuff -- http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=480 :)
[19:07] <EagleScreen> i do not know very well what android is, but isn't it a GNU/Linux system?
[19:08] <BUGabundo> it is EagleScreen
[19:08] <BUGabundo> maybe some day I can put ubuntu mid on it
[19:08] <Sarvatt> did you get a 288MB ram or a 192MB ram version? should say on the sticker that was on the screen
[19:09] <EagleScreen> BUGabundo: if it is a GNU/Linux system, why can't you install kvkbd on it?
[19:09] <Sarvatt> its not a GNU/Linux system is why
[19:10] <EagleScreen> oh okay
[19:10] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: not sure
[19:11] <BUGabundo> I think it's the 288
[19:11] <Sarvatt> just uses the linux kernel, has its own specific libc
[19:11] <Sarvatt> but you can install things in a chroot, i have karmic armel on mine
[19:12] <Sarvatt> i use it for compiling armel packages, actually is faster than qemu chroot speeds on my machines
[19:18] <itswhatev> anyone found a fix/workaround for brasero's inability to detect a blank cd?
[19:19] <bmunger> k3b?
[19:19] <durt> *cough* xfburn
[19:20] <durt> but then again brasero hasn't worked for me since 8.04
[19:23] <jonathonf> BUGabundo: where did you get a g2 from for €225? :O
[19:23] <BUGabundo> tmn.pt
[19:24] <BUGabundo> special ONE day only
[19:24] <BUGabundo> 50% off
[19:24] <jonathonf> wowzers
[19:24] <BUGabundo> now its 50€ off only
[19:24] <jonathonf> oh
[19:24] <raindog_mini> Latest updates for Kubuntu hosed my ability to login.
[19:24] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, I can not understand, on Amazon it is for 800 $ ?!
[19:25] <raindog_mini> Can't get a terminal to try and fix it.
[19:26] <EagleScreen> raindog_mini: boot kubuntu in recovery mode
[19:26] <EagleScreen> then try to fix the system
[19:26] <raindog_mini> EagleScreen: Ah, yes.    Thanks.
[19:30] <raindog_mini> Trying to run apt-get update, I receive the following.  Failed to open connection to "system" messwge bus:  Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket:  No such file or directory.  (and more)
[19:31] <jonathonf> $ sudo /etc/initid/dbus start
[19:31] <jonathonf> ?
[19:31] <jonathonf> $ sudo /etc/init.d/dbus start
[19:31] <jonathonf> even
[19:32] <Sarvatt> just sounds like the packagekit hooks into apt failing, nothing to be worried about..?
[19:32] <jonathonf> though as you're in recovery mode you dont need sudo
[19:32] <raindog_mini> Yeah, the error goes on to talk about apt hooks and Packagekit.
[19:32] <raindog_mini> I'll try as you suggest.  THanks for the suggestion.
[19:33] <Sarvatt> should be safe to ignore it, does it not complete?
[19:34] <raindog_mini> apt-get update worked after starting dbus.  Thanks jonathonf
[19:34] <Sarvatt> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20packagekit -- APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success { "/usr/bin/dbus-send --system --dest=org.freedesktop.PackageKit --type=method_call /org/freedesktop/PackageKit org.freedesktop.PackageKit.StateHasChanged string:'cache-update'"; };
[19:34] <raindog_mini> Sarvatt: That was it.
[19:34] <Sarvatt> its just notifying packagekit that the cache was updated, but you dont care about that because you arent in a desktop environment
[19:35] <raindog_mini> The latest updates also apparently removed kubuntu-desktop.  Added it back now and rebooting.
[19:37] <DanaG> what the hell.... my screen just randomly blanked again!
[19:38] <raindog_mini> jonathonf: Sarvatt:  Thanks that did the trick.  I'm still learning, obviously.
[20:19] <loonyphoenix> Had a random screen flicker. The screen suddenly went black (even though I was moving the mouse around), but it lighted back up after I clicked my mouse. Anybody else have that?
[20:19] <loonyphoenix> *had
[20:19] <jonathonf> yeah
[20:19] <stormy2k> Hi everyone. I got some problems using compiz in karmic. Everytime i switch on the desktop effects my cpu goes up to 100 % usage and stays there. System monitor tells me that gconfd-2 is using most of it
[20:19] <jonathonf> it's some power management bug or something
[20:20] <jonathonf> stormy2k: do a $ killall metacity
[20:20] <DanaG> My screen randomly blanks, too.
[20:20] <loonyphoenix> also, the cursor flickers constantly when it's dynamic (like the waiting cursor)
[20:20] <stormy2k> Thanks, that did the trick...
[20:20] <loonyphoenix> Does anybody have that?
[20:21] <loonyphoenix> also, the video flickers in full screen when controls appear/disappear... are all these issues reported?
[20:24] <Sarvatt> DanaG: http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/07/30/accidental-blanking-and-gnome-power-manager/
[20:25] <Sarvatt> do you have intel video loonyphoenix? if so the cursor flicker is a well known issue
[20:25] <DanaG> hmm, my issue wasn't failure to unblank... it unblanks just fine.
[20:25] <Sarvatt> yeah the problem is its reading the session idle wrong and calling a screen blank when its not really idle the first time it starts up
[20:26] <diverse_izzue> loonyphoenix, was that on battery?
[20:28] <Sarvatt> in system - preferences - power management - battery it always goes idle and blanks the screen however many minutes you have it set there after the session starts, for me its just a one time thing though but thats probably because it doesnt detect that i'm on battery ever again after the first time i go off of ac power
[20:28] <Sarvatt> if i kill devkit-power-daemon and g-p-m and restart them it'll blank again x minutes after i start them (whatever i have it set to)
[20:29] <DanaG> Does the same thing also cause the "screen won't un-dim"?
[20:29] <loonyphoenix> Sarvatt: yeah, intel video, though not battery
[20:29] <Sarvatt> that i dont know about, depends on the hardware and how it handles dpms
[20:30] <loonyphoenix> and the fullscreen video flicker?
[20:30] <loonyphoenix> that's the same issue?
[20:31] <Sarvatt> thats a 2.6.31-rc3+ issue
[20:31] <Sarvatt> 2.6.31-2 should be fine if you install that
[20:31] <loonyphoenix> don't wanna)
[20:31] <Sarvatt> the fixes have taken awhile to make it up to linus
[20:31] <loonyphoenix> so there's a fix?
[20:31] <loonyphoenix> we're waiting for it to float downstream?
[20:32] <Sarvatt> waiting for it to float from the intel kernel branch to the main kernel branch then get released and made into a karmic kernel :D
[20:33] <Sarvatt> might actually be in linus' tree now, lessee
[20:34] <Sarvatt> nope still not there
[20:34] <loonyphoenix> pity)
[20:36] <loonyphoenix> (downstream to Linus... that's what I hear when I go to a dev distribution:) never actually imagined *Linus* could be considered downstrream...)
[20:37] <jonathonf> lol
[20:37] <loonyphoenix> yeah, he's like at the top)
[20:37] <loonyphoenix> the top of the mountain, so to speak)
[20:37] <Sarvatt> the fixes are in there waiting to be pulled still -- http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/anholt/drm-intel.git;a=shortlog;h=for-linus
[20:38] <Sarvatt> but i dont see any pull requests
[20:38] <loonyphoenix> I guess the fix is still being condensed into a cloud...
[20:55] <aboSamoor> ok, I got it kacpi_notify in KDE 4.3 replaced notify-osd ! this is why I can not get the ubuntu notification system anymore !
[20:56] <maxb> Is anyone else having their numeric keypad fail to work in Karmic ?
[20:58] <aboSamoor> maxb, laptop keyboard Fn keys are not working
[20:58] <BUGabundo> back
[20:58] <BUGabundo> darn pidgin
[20:58] <maxb> No, this is a standard desktop keyboard
[20:59] <jeremy_> hello
[21:03] <jeremy_> exit
[21:03] <jeremy_> quit
[21:04] <jonathonf> you need a / in front of those commands
[21:04] <loonyphoenix> too late)
[21:04] <loonyphoenix> i think he figured that out
[21:04] <jonathonf> lol
[21:04] <jonathonf> i turned off join/part messages
[21:04] <jonathonf> probably not useful in this case :D
[21:05] <loonyphoenix> Pidgin has a cool feature: a plugin that hides join/leave messages IF the user was inactive for 10 minutes or more
[21:05] <loonyphoenix> That's the best IRC plugin I've ever encountered
[21:05] <loonyphoenix> Cudos to the creator
[21:06] <jonathonf> nice
[21:06] <loonyphoenix> BTW, I think Empathy is still not ready to replace Pidgin in Ubuntu
[21:07] <loonyphoenix> I tried it out and, well...
[21:07] <jonathonf> not by a long shot
[21:07] <loonyphoenix> Ah well
[21:07] <loonyphoenix> One more package to install upon system update
[21:07] <loonyphoenix> Big deal
[21:07] <loonyphoenix> Dozens of them anyway
[21:08] <loonyphoenix> Actually, I should keep a list
[21:08] <loonyphoenix> Would speed things up significantly)
[21:10] <dr3mro> q ? does karmic fixed video teraing in  intel gma
[21:11] <loonyphoenix> um... actually, haven't noticed any tearing since I installed Karmic
[21:11] <loonyphoenix> But that was 2 days ago)
[21:11] <loonyphoenix> And that was 2 vids...
[21:11] <dr3mro> loonyphoenix, so karmic fixed video tear in fast motion scens
[21:12] <loonyphoenix> maybe
[21:12] <loonyphoenix> or maybe not
[21:12] <dr3mro> loonyphoenix, coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
[21:12] <dr3mro> loonyphoenix, can you test now !
[21:12] <loonyphoenix>  dr3mro: can't you?
[21:13] <dr3mro> loonyphoenix, having slow internet to download karmic
[21:13] <dr3mro> loonyphoenix, if it fixes that video i shall download it to test new video driver
[21:13] <loonyphoenix> Okay. I'll try it out :)
[21:14] <dr3mro> loonyphoenix, THANK YOU
[21:15]  * loonyphoenix is looking for a suitable pan...
[21:18] <jonathonf> uh oh. just got new pulseaudio packages with a new pulseaudio-module-udev replaceing pulseaudio-module-hal
[21:18] <jonathonf> could be interesting
[21:19] <uffo> please integrate folder sharing in kubuntu 9.10 by default that is usable with share oprion.
[21:19] <loonyphoenix> dr3mro: can't see any tearing, but it wasn't an exhaustive test :)
[21:19] <loonyphoenix> is there an actual test?
[21:20] <dr3mro> loonyphoenix, thank you now i donwload it and wait the pain to complete the donwload
[21:20] <dr3mro> thank you
[21:21] <loonyphoenix> though there is some trouble with video
[21:22] <loonyphoenix> it flickers when in full screen while controls show up / disappear
[21:22] <loonyphoenix> if desktop effects are on
[21:27] <uffo> please integrate folder sharing in kubuntu 9.10 by default that is usable with share oprion, even windows has sharing integrated by default.
[21:33] <hggdh> uffo, this channel is not the best place to ask that... consider opening a bug on launchpad instead
[21:37] <uffo> hggdh: it is not bug, but Ubuntu always comes without file sharing but it is must have that file sharing works out of box like Windows and Mac.
[21:37] <hggdh> uffo: it *is* a bug. It will be looked at as a wishlist, but nevertheless a bug
[21:38] <hggdh> until a bug is opened for that, we cannot expect any changes
[21:56] <Varox> hi all!
[21:57] <Varox> did somone of you try to update to kde 4.3 today?
[22:00] <BUGabundo> I have it
[22:02] <Varox> BUGabundo: the same error?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> what error?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> I use gnome mostly
[22:02] <Varox> BUGabundo: sorry :) hold on
[22:02] <BUGabundo> and some kde apps
[22:02] <Varox> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1232503
[22:02] <Varox> me too, but just because kde 4.2 was very buggy
[22:04] <Varox> BUGabundo:
[22:04] <BUGabundo> checking
[22:04] <Varox> BUGabundo: thanks
[22:04] <BUGabundo> bad depencies
[22:05] <BUGabundo> did you force the upgrade
[22:05] <BUGabundo> ?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> or did a parcial?
[22:05] <Varox> hm, i added the lines for the new repository and tried to update
[22:06] <Varox> but i am not really sure what you mean
[22:06] <Varox> i followed those instructions: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3
[22:09] <BUGabundo> you added lines???
[22:09] <BUGabundo> ooppssss
[22:10] <Varox> BUGabundo: well, this one: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main
[22:11] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:12] <BUGabundo> please pastebin the result of: $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:13] <Varox> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/m3594059
[22:15] <BUGabundo> Varox: pastebin this: sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[22:16] <Varox> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/m192b339c
[22:16] <hggdh> Varox are you running Jaunty?
[22:16] <Varox> 9.04
[22:16] <Varox> hggdh:
[22:17] <BUGabundo> Varox: file a bug with that and ping #kubuntu-devel
[22:17] <hggdh> Varox, K. I am sorry to say this, but this channel looks & works with 9.10 only
[22:17]  * BUGabundo goes back to play with Android
[22:17] <BUGabundo> hggdh: he has kde 4.3
[22:17] <Varox> hggdh: the users of #ubuntu told me to ask here :-/
[22:17] <BUGabundo> aka what karmic kubuntu runs on
[22:18] <BUGabundo> Varox: better try #kubuntu-devel
[22:18] <Varox> but this link says it should work with 9.04 as well: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3
[22:18] <Varox> BUGabundo: i will, thanks
[22:18] <hggdh> yes, off the PPA. it seems not all dependencies are there yet
[22:18]  * BUGabundo opens gimp to hack some Ubuntu wallpaper for Android
[22:19] <hggdh> so you cannot do a blanket dist-upgrade, but either wait for all dependencies to be published, or cherry-pick
[22:19] <hggdh> Varox, ^^
[22:20] <Varox> i like cherry-picking :)
[22:20] <hggdh> it will be a lot of work, but at least you will get *most* of 4.3
[22:21] <hggdh> now
[22:36] <DanaG> ugh... wtf... pulseaudio UDEV thingy breaks bluetooth audio!
[22:36] <DanaG> damnit.
[22:51]  * loonyphoenix is reading the shuttleworth vs. debian radicals debate
[22:52] <Zorael> loonyphoenix: link?
[22:55] <loonyphoenix> http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2009/08/msg00092.html
[22:55] <hggdh> thanks
[22:55] <loonyphoenix> you're welcome)
[22:59] <DanaG> yay, now pavucontrol takes a dump when I try to launch it.
[22:59] <DanaG> a.k.a. Aborted (core dumped).
[22:59] <DanaG> Reverse euphemism.
[23:00] <DanaG> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Gtk::IconThemeError'
[23:00] <aboSamoor> login manager is not anymore available for karmic !
[23:05] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: t9 dicionaries. anything? need a PT one
[23:13] <Sarvatt> i have no idea, do you need it for the dialer or texting or everywhere?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> to text
[23:16] <BUGabundo> and IM
[23:16] <BUGabundo> with english it SUCKs
[23:17] <DanaG> hmmm, when will we get an updated pavucontrol?
[23:18] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: maybe try the "better keyboard" app out?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> maybe
[23:19]  * BUGabundo searching
[23:19] <Sarvatt> i've got a real keyboard on mine, couldnt pay me to use a G2 lol
[23:19] <Sarvatt> oh doesnt look like theres a trial for better keyboard out
[23:19] <DanaG> crash! damn pavucontrol!
[23:20] <DanaG> Where do I get a newer pavucontrol?
[23:21] <DanaG> yargh.
[23:22] <DanaG><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:23] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/pavucontrol
[23:23] <DanaG> "published 1 hour ago"
[23:23] <DanaG> har.
[23:28] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: its paid :(
[23:29] <Sarvatt> whats wrong with your pavucontrol? and why arent you using a stable release if these little things bug you so much? :D
[23:30] <DanaG> It needed to be upgraded.
[23:30] <DanaG> And the upgrade came out... just 1 hour ago.
[23:30] <DanaG> So the mirror had to sync.
[23:31] <DanaG> Guess I got the backend (pulseaudio server) update before the frontend (pavucontrol) update.
[23:37] <yofel> evening folks
[23:37] <DanaG> Wed Aug  5 15:37:32 PDT 2009
[23:37] <BUGabundo> hey yofel
[23:38] <yofel> DanaG: well, it's 00:37 am here too, but 'good night' would sound strange :P
[23:38] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[23:38] <joebob777as7> what's the best way to install kde 4.3.0 in karmic?
[23:38] <yofel> joebob777as7: just install kde4 like normal, it was updated to 4.3.0 yesterday
[23:39] <bcurtiswx> hey, anyone here use Gwibber?
[23:39] <joebob777as7> yofel, cool!
[23:41] <joebob777as7> yofel, what's the package?
[23:42] <yofel> joebob777as7: you're running ubuntu? Then you could install 'kubuntu-desktop'
[23:42] <joebob777as7> ok yes thx
[23:43] <joebob777as7> yofel, not kubuntu-kde4-desktop? what's the difference?
[23:43] <yofel> joebob777as7: there is no kde3 in ubuntu anymore, so you don't need any kde4 ;)
[23:43] <syn-ack> brb
[23:44]  * joebob777as7 installing kde4
[23:45] <dtchen> DanaG: new pavucontrol is in the archive now
[23:46] <DanaG> yeah, I saw that when I googled for it there.  Thanks.
[23:46] <DanaG> I must've simply installed the new PA just before that.
[23:46] <dtchen> no, as in it's actually installable from pool now
[23:47] <dtchen> it was depwaited on the new libpulse-dev
[23:47] <DanaG> Yeah, once I found that link, I also did find it in the pool.
[23:47] <DanaG> Oh yeah, now my FreePulse headphones show up with the "unknown" (black box thingy) icon.
[23:52] <bjsnider> dtchen, are there any plans to add alsa hardware control to the current volume control applet?
[23:52] <dtchen> bjsnider: not that i'm aware, but i'm working at a lower level mostly (not in the gui)
[23:53] <bcurtiswx> anyone here use gwibber?
[23:53] <aboSamoor> I discovered the following: If you install KDE 4.3 it will overwrite the default display manager setting to KDM. Login to gnome using kdm will fail notify-osd from running and the notification daemon will fail to the one used in 8.10. [Sorry if this seems annoying, because I made a buzz about notify-osd and KDE, but I wanted to share to know your opinion if this seems ok or not ?]
[23:57] <DanaG> hmm, I have a USB sound card that has stereo mic in and stereo line in.  How do you propose switching between those, with the Gnome thingy?
[23:57] <DanaG> As it is, I use alsamixer or gamix.
[23:58] <th1> so, the usplash bug finally got fixed :)
[23:58] <th1> karmic looking set for release


[13:28] <ttoine> hi
[13:48] <zequence> ttoine: hello
[14:05] <ttoine> zequence, what'up ?
[14:22] <zequence> ttoine: Not much. Got sick and there has been a lot of discounts on steam, so I guess that's what I've been doing for a couple of days now
[15:08] <ttoine> with the 310 beta nvidia driver, steam games should run well !  is there some best seller available, for Ubuntu ?
[15:09] <ttoine> zequence, take care of you
[15:26] <zequence> ttoine: I've only tried the free games for the linux client. Been using wine mostly. And I usually only play old games :)
[15:33] <ttoine> zequence, ok


[16:22] <newone> how can I start contribute in ubuntu?
[16:22] <newone> for development
[19:18] <sney> hello
[19:19] <sney> 2 things: 1) my debian hexchat package has a new upstream release! 2.10.0-1 is in sid now, and I was told that new releases would have to be synced manually. b) what do I modify in order for hexchat to minimize to the unity tray? or does that have to be done at the ubuntu end
[19:22] <Unit193> Howdy.  Are you trying to get hexchat in trusty or utopic?  If utopic, then it's already in there.  I don't know unity, but if the tray is just indicators something like https://launchpad.net/hexchat-indicator
[19:22] <sney> which one is 14? trusty?
[19:23] <Unit193> (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hexchat/2.10.0-1) Trusty is 14.04, utopic is 14.10.
[19:23] <sney> I'm not really familiar with ubuntu's policy wrt version freezes
[19:23] <Unit193> !sru | Yeah, it is a bit weird, for sure.
[19:23] <Unit193> (Note, I am not a motu or uploader.)
[19:24] <sney> well, you know the bot keywords so that's usually good enough
[19:24] <sney> 14.10 releases in october I assume?
[19:25] <Unit193> Exactly.
[19:26] <sney> that's good enough then


[05:31] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/ubuntu-16-04-lts-flavours-prepare-for-their-first-xenial-xerus-beta-release-500248.shtml
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> pretty soon guys :p
[11:22] <markit>  Before I waste time dowloading 1.2GB of ISO, does recent daily build of KUBUNTU 16.04 have the installer working? (some time ago just crashed with some errors)
[11:29] <jtaylor> markit: don't know but if you still have the old installer you can use zsync to only pull the difference
[11:47] <markit> jtaylor: I think it NEVER worked
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:35] <Volkodav> Are there daily builds for xubuntu?
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[15:37] <Volkodav> lotuspsychje: Thanks
[15:37] <Volkodav> how is it so far? Any showstoppers ?
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: im on ubuntu xenial, rocksolid here
[15:39] <Volkodav> Is Unity any different ?
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: different then what?
[15:42] <Volkodav> previuos ones I mean
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: changes are started to show, but we still in early sateg now
[15:46] <Volkodav> Not that early based on the schedule
[16:21] <ChibaPet> jtaylor: I'd wondered about that. zsync will update an already-downloaded iso?
[16:27] <jtaylor> I think it can
[16:28] <jtaylor> it just does a rolling checksum, how it was downloaded originally doesn't matter
[16:35] <ChibaPet> Nifty!
[16:35] <ChibaPet> bbiab, commuting
[19:40] <soee> Systemd 229 has been - will it land in 16.04 ?
[20:05] <blaze> vdpau/vaapi is not working with latest mesa upgrade
[20:06] <blaze> how can i debug this?
[23:29] <ChibaPet> jtaylor: That seems to be exactly what it's doing - it's started in the mid-90% range to get from yesterday's image to today's, if I'm reading it right.
[23:29] <ChibaPet> Very convenient.