[01:27] <SpamapS> Can I get a quick IRC FFE for git-review 1.21 ? (unseeded leaf package)
[01:38] <SpamapS> debdiff is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5694217/
[01:56] <ScottK> SpamapS: You've tested this?
[01:58] <SpamapS> ScottK: have done 3 review submits with it to openstack projects. Not 100% code coverage .. but itI don't smell any smoke.
[01:58] <ScottK> SpamapS: OK. Got for it.
[01:59] <ScottK> Got/Go
[01:59] <SpamapS> ScottK: cool thanks :)
[01:59] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[01:59] <SpamapS> ugh, what a wonderful time for my home cable connection to die
[02:00] <bkerensa> heh
[03:12] <SpamapS> ScottK: finally got internet back on in my build box, so if you're still around git-review is uploaded now.
[03:13] <ScottK> OK.  I'll have a look when it appears.
[03:19] <ScottK> SpamapS: Accepted.
[03:21] <SpamapS> ScottK: ^5
[10:31] <jamespage> please could the rtslib update be accepted into raring-proposed
[11:45] <ScottK> doko: I absolutely don't have time to deal with this today because I need to leave for $work meetings soon, but ypur python3-defaults SRU moves py3versions from python3-minimal to python3 and causes Bug 1167183 and some dupes.
[11:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1167183 in python3-defaults (Ubuntu) "package python3 3.2.3-5ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/py3versions', which is also in package python3-minimal 3.2.3-5ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1167183
[11:45] <ScottK> Anyone who's in the SRU team ^^^^
[11:45] <doko> ScottK, ok, looking ...
[11:46] <ScottK> I didn't check if anything else changed.
[12:20] <doko> ScottK, hmm, there is more ... looking to fix it for raring first
[13:14] <xnox> dobey: slangasek: Old U1 music store screenshot is removed from the slideshow in raring images the day before UI freeze, and replaced with my rhythmbox playing Adele =)
[13:15] <xnox> not sure if we want to fix 12.04.3 slideshow as well.
[13:26] <dobey> xnox: i think we'll want to fix the slideshow for 12.04, once the rhythmbox-ubuntuone changes land in 12.04 updates, i think
[13:27] <xnox> dobey: ok. i will check if we can reuse the raring slide image & change the screenshot to have e.g. precise theme on the window decorators.
[13:28] <xnox> dobey: what was the bug number such that I can assign it to myself.
[13:29] <dobey> bug #1166356
[13:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1166356 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu Raring) "[UIFe] Old music store interface going away on server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166356
[14:23] <rtg_> infinity, I think linux-ti-omap4 should be removed from raring-proposed. I think armhf generic should supersede that kernel. That will also get it off the FTBS list.
[14:23] <ogra_> rtg_, err, nope
[14:23] <ogra_> panda will stay with the quantal kernel
[14:24] <rtg_> why?
[14:24] <ogra_> becauase we will keep the desktop image
[14:24] <ogra_> (dont ask )
[14:24] <ogra_> and we have no way in i.e. flash-kernel to easily handle both
[14:24] <rtg_> so, should the Raring mainline kernel still be supplying omap4-panda-es.dtb ?
[14:24] <ogra_> so the quantal one has to stay for server too
[14:25] <ogra_> optionally for the brave i'd say
[14:25] <ogra_> and in 13.10 we actually want to drop that mess
[14:25] <rtg_> ogra_, ah, we talked about this a week or so ago, didn't we.
[14:25] <ogra_> yeah
[14:25] <rtg_> doh!
[14:25]  * ogra_ would have happily dropped desktop panda
[14:26] <ogra_> as woulld infinity i think
[14:26] <rtg_> this was the case where infinity was going to re-sync from Quantal if that kernel ever changed.
[14:26] <ogra_> right
[14:27] <ogra_> in 13.10 server we should actually use generic ... so i dont think it makes sense to artificially rip it out now
[14:27] <rtg_> yeah, there is no harm in carrying the DTB.
[14:28] <rtg_> so I guess at the very least linux-ti-omap4 should get promoted to release ?
[14:29] <ogra_> yeah
[14:42] <doko> RAOF, ^^^
[15:24] <kenvandine> can someone please look at friends?
[15:25] <didrocks> kenvandine: finally having a changelog content from what I saw? ;)
[15:26] <seb128> slangasek, infinity, cjwatson: do we have any work in progress/release notes for raring somewhere?
[15:26] <kenvandine> yes, we are going to make sure that always happens :)
[15:26] <didrocks> \o/
[15:29] <seb128> Laney, do you do approval in freeze times? ;-)
[15:29] <seb128> it seems a bit suboptimal that almost nothing from the main/desktop goes through on european hours atm
[15:29] <Laney> yeah, I can do
[15:29] <Laney> will do some in a bit
[15:29] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:29] <Laney> slangasek was looking at friends though wasn't he?
[15:30] <seb128> I think so
[15:30] <seb128> but I see -intel s-c rhythmbox glib etc in the queue
[15:30] <seb128> im-config
[15:30] <seb128> sessioninstaller
[15:30] <seb128> note, I uploaded some of those, but still would be good to have stuff going during the european day ;-)
[15:34] <kenvandine> Laney, last i saw slangasek said he was going to leave friends, so not sure if he still is
[15:34] <kenvandine> i am mostly anxious for a fix that landed on friday to make it in, people keep bugging me about it :)
[15:35] <doko> seb128, I'm not -release, and only doing the ftbfs fixes
[15:36] <seb128> doko, thanks for approving the build fixing, that's useful ;-)
[15:36] <seb128> we just need a release team member as well to approve the other uploads...
[15:44] <Laney> well, my ported indicator-session seems to mostly work so I'll do some queue reviews now and tidy that up tomorrow
[15:45] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:45]  * Laney rejects 3 of the 4(!) friends in the queue
[15:45] <seb128> joys of daily landing :p
[15:46] <ogra_> poor friends
[15:46]  * Laney the loner
[15:46] <ogra_> you kept one at least :)
[15:47] <kenvandine> :)
[15:52] <skellat> Hello.  I've got a Fix Committed flag on Launchpad Bug #1158431 and haven't seen yet if the new package has built and hit the queue to fix this bug for Xubuntu.
[15:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1158431 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "lightdm graybird login issues on raring" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158431
[15:55] <ochosi> skellat: i set it to "fix committed" because the fix is in git (this is what mr_pouit and i settled on for bug management)
[15:56] <ochosi> skellat: so i guess the bug status should be changed to whatever the "general public" here sees as fit
[15:56] <skellat> Crud
[15:56] <skellat> ochosi: Let us take this back to #xubuntu-devel
[15:56] <ochosi> skellat: sure
[15:57] <cjwatson> fix committed for "fix is in version control" is generally fine
[15:57] <cjwatson> at least for development releases.  rules are different for stable updates
[15:57] <skellat> Okay
[15:58] <skellat> Since our developers are tied up it looks we need a sponsor too to navigate this in
[15:58] <ochosi> yes, please
[15:58] <ochosi> it's a bit unfortunate that i'm only the artwork lead and can't update my own packages...
[16:05] <ogra_> bdmurray, the seed change and upload for g-c-c-u happened i didnt edit the changelog, can you close the bug by hand ?
[16:05] <bdmurray> ogra_: will do
[16:05] <ogra_> thx
[16:07] <slangasek> seb128: release notes> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/TechnicalOverview, unfortunately it went out very bare for the desktop at beta time...
[16:07] <slangasek> Laney: I was no longer looking at friends; happy for someone else to take it
[16:08] <seb128> slangasek, hum, yeah, not a lot of desktop there ... is that the right page to edit toward release?
[16:08] <doko> slangasek, could you look at the two python3-defaults uploads? RAOF doesn't seem to be there
[16:08] <slangasek> seb128: "joys of daily landing" - well, I think there's a bug in how the autolanding code handles the unapproved queue, it seems to think that because it hasn't reached the archive yet it needs to upload *again* with no other changes
[16:09] <seb128> slangasek, that's another side effect of "can't get content of the syncs in the queue" :-(
[16:09] <slangasek> seb128: for the moment, yes - we usually refactor between beta and release, but we haven't started that yet so anything you put there now will be ported over
[16:09] <seb128> slangasek, but yeah, agreed it's a bug
[16:09] <slangasek> doko: I'm about to step away from the keyboard for a bit, but can look when I return.  This is for precise/quantal?
[16:11] <doko> slangasek, yes
[16:13] <antarus_> slangasek: wow this nvidia thing is really screwed up ;)
[16:20] <cjwatson> seb128: you can't get the content but you can get their versions easily enough
[16:20] <cjwatson> seb128: after all, the queue tool shows that
[16:21] <Laney> all of the friends had genuine changes
[16:22] <seb128> cjwatson, the version doesn't tell us if there is an actual diff between the version in the queue and the current daily though :-(
[16:23] <seb128> or we would need to add special logic to reconstruct the version of the queue from the vcs to debdiff it
[16:23] <Laney> can't you map from that back to a vcs tag?
[16:24] <Laney> Have you seen this behaviour though? I don't believe friends to be a case of it, like I just said
[16:25] <seb128> Laney, we could, but same, we would move from a standard workflow to a special logic that needs to trace back to the vcs used and do diffs in there
[16:25] <Laney> or you know which PPA you uploaded to and the package name so you can easily download from that
[16:25] <seb128> the version is not in the ppa anymore
[16:25] <seb128> it got replaced by the new daily
[16:25] <seb128> since that's a daily ppa
[16:25] <seb128> and ppas don't keep deprecated versions
[16:25] <Laney> you're deciding whether to push a new daily at this point aren't you?
[16:26] <Laney> so this is before the upload
[16:26] <seb128> no
[16:26] <seb128> we always push dailies in the ppa
[16:26] <Laney> even if there's no change?
[16:26] <seb128> even if we don't copy to distro
[16:26] <seb128> yes
[16:26] <seb128> because that's part of ensuring that things keep building
[16:26] <didrocks> hum, what do you mean?
[16:26] <seb128> no?
[16:26] <didrocks> that's not the case at all
[16:26] <seb128> ok
[16:27] <didrocks> only component which have a diff between the vcs and latest published version in distro are rebuilt
[16:27] <didrocks> components*
[16:27] <seb128> didrocks, what was the reason you couldn't avoid queuing new versions in freeze time when there is no diff?
[16:27] <Laney> I'm not sure I believe that does happen
[16:27] <didrocks> seb128: I told "published version"
[16:27] <Laney> do you have evidence?
[16:27] <didrocks> seb128: if I want to support the "things in the queue", there is a little bit of logic needed
[16:28] <didrocks> from launchpad api to get what's in the unapproved queue
[16:28] <didrocks> then, trace back to something downloadable
[16:28] <Laney> we'd see it for every component every day if it was, surely?
[16:28] <didrocks> because as it's a sync, you can't download the source
[16:28] <Laney> and we don't, at least AFAIK ...
[16:28] <didrocks> so trace that back to the ppa
[16:28] <didrocks> and download from it
[16:28] <didrocks> and making a second diff against it
[16:28] <didrocks> so quite a little bit of work, but doable as told
[16:29] <seb128> didrocks, right, that's exactly what I was saying (the sync, can't download the source, need extra logic, bits)
[16:29] <didrocks> when we evocated the idea with seb128, we decided it didn't worth the pain as the queue is normally reviewed within 24 hours
[16:29] <didrocks> (and this is only for things having stalled changes)
[16:30] <didrocks> 18:26:18     seb128 | we always push dailies in the ppa
[16:30] <didrocks> 18:26:24      Laney | even if there's no change?
[16:30] <didrocks> 18:26:26     seb128 | even if we don't copy to distro
[16:30] <didrocks> 18:26:31     seb128 | yes
[16:30] <didrocks> seb128: I think people would think from that that we are rebuilding everything ^
[16:30] <didrocks> which is not the case ;)
[16:30] <didrocks> only the things not published in distro
[16:30] <didrocks> (which has a change)
[16:31] <Laney> so you could have <daily release> <change> <daily release stuck in queue> <daily release> <daily release ...> ?
[16:31] <seb128> yeah, that was not really clearly written
[16:34] <didrocks> so yeah, it's possible to skip it, but the launchpad api with sync will make it quite some extra work
[16:34] <Laney> If it's like ^, you might be able to get away with just comparing versions
[16:34] <didrocks> so I think we just need to assess if reviewed in freeze period not being in 24 hours is that annoying compared to "reject olds"
[16:34] <didrocks> Laney: what version do you want to compare?
[16:35] <seb128> Laney, comparing versions don't tell you if you have actual content change between daily_stuck_in_queue and new_daily
[16:35] <didrocks> right
[16:35] <Laney> if there are changes then you don't need to check the queue
[16:35] <didrocks> as we don't require debian/changelog change
[16:35] <seb128> Laney, how do you determine if there are changes?
[16:36] <Laney> a commit since the last daily release
[16:36] <didrocks> Laney: doesn't work
[16:36] <didrocks> Laney: that was the old logic I removed
[16:36] <Laney> how the bot decides whether to do a daily release or not
[16:36] <didrocks> like, you can have a manual upload
[16:36] <didrocks> then backport that to the vcs
[16:36] <seb128> Laney, it compares/diff to the archive version
[16:36] <didrocks> so comparing commit revisions is way more complex than it sounds
[16:36] <didrocks> comparing the diff from the archive is version 2
[16:37] <didrocks> and the only reliable way
[16:37] <Laney> I thought that stuff put it into manual mode
[16:37] <seb128> Laney, which is the "canonical" version
[16:37] <didrocks> Laney: it's in manual if the version in distro is more advanced than the release
[16:37] <didrocks> (well, it doesn't put it manual, it skips it + got the component hilighted)
[16:38] <didrocks> basically, as seb128 told, the reference version is always what is published in distro
[16:38] <didrocks> that's the gold rule to ensure we don't loose anything
[16:38] <didrocks> (and yeah, it's way more complicated than just comparing commits, the whole code being 3000 lines prooves it ;))
[16:39] <Laney> I thought it was something like "if there's something in the distro that I didn't upload, then a human needs to take a look"
[16:39] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, it's hilighed and need to be ported back to the vcs
[16:39] <didrocks> but if you wanted to compare commits numbers to know that "something is new" or not
[16:40] <didrocks> you need to count the number of potential manual uploads
[16:40] <didrocks> (sometimes, there is more than one in a raw…)
[16:40] <didrocks> and rely on the fact there is one commit per backport
[16:40] <didrocks> which doesn't always happened as per experience ;)
[16:40] <didrocks> so reliable on just commits to think "there is something new to consider for release" doesn't work
[16:41] <Laney> so what's the issue? that manual uploads which get stuck in the queue can mess up the machinery?
[16:42] <didrocks> Laney: I meant that if there has been 3 manual uploads in a raw
[16:42] <didrocks> and you expect then 3 backport commits
[16:42] <didrocks> + 1 commit for the release
[16:42] <didrocks> so, you are telling "only if the diff is 5 commits, there is something to release"
[16:43] <didrocks> now, imagine the 3 manual uploads were done in a short time
[16:43] <didrocks> and someone only backport those 3 manual uploads in one commit
[16:43] <didrocks> you are waiting for 2 additional commits to tell "there is something to release", even if it's not true
[16:43] <didrocks> as the 3rd commit had something significative
[16:43] <Laney> I don't know why we're counting commits or diffing - isn't that all done by a human when they reconcile it and manually kick a daily release?
[16:43] <didrocks> that's why counting commits doesn't work
[16:44] <didrocks> Laney: you proposed counting commits
[16:44] <didrocks> that's what I did for a while
[16:44] <didrocks> and it doesn't work, hence the diff today :)
[16:44] <infinity> rtg_: It'll migrate its way out of proposed when I do the next d-i upload.
[16:44] <Laney> no, I proposed seeing if there were /any/ commits
[16:44] <didrocks> and I explain you why it doesn't work :p
[16:44] <didrocks> Laney: so, if there is any commits
[16:44] <didrocks> Laney: imagine, you have a manual upload
[16:44] <rtg_> infinity, ack
[16:44] <didrocks> then, you have to put that back in the vcs, right?
[16:45] <didrocks> so you have /any/ commits, being one
[16:45] <didrocks> and you daily release exactly the same content
[16:45] <didrocks> than the manual upload
[16:46] <cjwatson> you know I'm not totally certain you can't get hold of the source by URL hacking
[16:46] <cjwatson> it must still be in the librarian
[16:47] <didrocks> cjwatson: that would help to not hack around to get a version from the ppa as a source
[16:48] <Laney> yeah that's right --- I had a working assumption that this doesn't happen often enough to make it a big problem ;-)
[16:48] <didrocks> Laney: you will notice that -V is using latest version published in distro so that we don't miss anything :)
[16:49] <didrocks> Laney: it did happen and it's not right that we reupload if someone did a manual upload, that's when I introduce diff as a source of truth
[16:50] <didrocks> (which makes more sense, it's authorative)
[16:50] <Laney> anyway, if this does indeed happen before you upload again to the PPA then you can trace back because you know which PPA it came from
[16:50] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, the question is "it's adding quite a bunch of logic, is it something which should be supported?" (as it uploads with the right -V and we don't miss anything)
[16:51] <didrocks> the other day, we went to the "no" conclusion with seb128, I'm happy to look at it back
[16:51] <Laney> like I said earlier I haven't personally seen repeated uploads with the same content, so I'm not convinced it happens very often
[16:52] <didrocks> Laney: btw, the commit I removed the "count commits" check is at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro/trunk/revision/276
[16:52] <seb128> Laney, right, the conclusion was "we don't have so many hard freezes, and the issue only happen if reviews take over 1 day in hard freeze time"
[16:52] <seb128> and the "issue" is small, we just have outdated versions in the queue
[16:52] <seb128> the most recent one will be published when accepted
[16:52] <seb128> so it's just a small annoyance
[16:53] <Laney> in the friends case you'd have pushed them all anyway because there were commits every day
[16:53] <didrocks> I think there was one since start of the hard freeze
[16:54] <didrocks> one indicator thing
[16:55] <Laney> seb128: that glib patch is funny
[16:55] <seb128> Laney, talk to desrt :p
[16:55] <didrocks> desrt is funny ;)
[16:56] <seb128> Laney, they went "no, you can't do that anymore" but it broke bindings so desrt agreed to put an exception for the bindings until they are fixed
[17:05] <cjwatson> Laney: your agda and agda-stdlib uploads should be available for syncing now
[17:05] <Laney> woot
[17:12]  * Laney retires to the climbing centre
[17:16] <seb128> Laney, thanks for the reviews, have fun!
[17:23] <cjwatson> Laney: oh, we'll need geniplate, of course ...
[17:23] <cjwatson> oh, it's in raring-proposed already
[17:23] <cjwatson> fine
[17:36] <zul> can someone reject the horizon upload please?
[17:37] <ScottK> zul: Done
[17:38] <zul> thanks
[17:57] <rbasak> I don't understand why the armhf binary for samba4 was rejected. Help? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba4/4.0.0+dfsg1-1ubuntu1/+build/4482847
[18:02] <ogra_> rbasak, looks like a launchpad bug ... (iirc there is one open thatr cjwatson opened for a similar issue i once had years ago)
[18:02] <ogra_> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/136881857/upload_4482847_log.txt
[18:02] <ogra_> INFO Rejection during accept. Aborting partial accept.
[18:03] <ogra_> oh, wait, binary you said ... mine was source
[18:04] <rbasak> Thanks. But does someone need to do something? :)
[18:04] <ogra_> i would ask an LP person in #launchpad
[18:05] <ogra_> it looks definitely buggy
[18:05] <ogra_> (if the other bianries just got accepted)
[18:05] <ogra_> *binaries
[18:14] <infinity> rbasak: It's an LP oops, retrying is the simplest way forward.
[18:15] <ogra_> infinity, retrying for a binary ?
[18:15] <ogra_> how would he do that
[18:15] <infinity> Retrying the build...
[18:15] <infinity> Which I did.
[18:15] <ogra_> ah
[18:31] <rbasak> infinity: thanks!
[18:39] <rtg_> can I get some love for Raring linux-firmware and pciutils ?
[18:44] <slangasek> antarus_: nvidia> you mean the fact that we have to ship a billion upstream versions of the driver to make sure everybody has one that works?
[18:46] <antarus> slangasek: no, 295 => 300
[18:46] <antarus> slangasek: not saying there was anything else you could have done
[18:46] <antarus> slangasek: just that we had a fun morning ;_)
[18:47] <mdeslaur> antarus: what happened?
[18:48] <antarus> mdeslaur: well 295 doesn't support RANR, 304 does
[18:48] <antarus> we have some bits that need to be flipped to migrate
[18:48] <antarus> been plannign the migration for about 6 weeks ;)
[18:49] <mdeslaur> antarus: ah, I see...yeah, quite unfortunate, but we didn't have much of a choice
[18:52] <antarus> I know ;)
[18:59] <slangasek> doko: why does this python3-defaults upload include so much reordering of debian/rules?
[18:59] <slangasek> doko: AFAICS, the only bit related to the bug is a one-line change, and all the rest should be omitted from the SRU:
[18:59] <slangasek> -       dh_link -ppython3 /usr/share/python3/py3versions.py /usr/bin/py3versions
[19:00] <slangasek> +       dh_link -ppython3-minimal /usr/share/python3/py3versions.py /usr/bin/py3versions
[19:26] <Laney> cjwatson: yeah, I uploaded that one straight away
[21:06] <doko> rejected and reuploaded python3.3 to fix the testsuite-dbg autopkg test
[22:41] <doko> whoever did accept the python2.7 upload yesterday, could you accept the python3.3 upload too?
[23:12] <infinity> doko: That was me, I'll look at it tonight.
[23:13] <doko> infinity, thanks, afk now


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[20:01] <skitoxe> mia_: skype sends shit in plain-text and leaks your ip to anyone that want's it
[20:01] <nacc> RoadRunner: why do you want to make that change? you are then dependent on the kernel ordering of disks
[20:01] <baizon> mia_: all communication goes through a microsoft server
[20:02] <pendleton> RoadRunner: make the changes in /etc/default/grub and then run grub-mkconfig
[20:02] <Pointblank> Hello, how can I allow any user to run mono apps? I see that I cannot without sudo now
[20:02] <baizon> mia_: they can read every message/video call
[20:02] <nacc> RoadRunner: please read /etc/default/grub fully, specifically GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID
[20:02] <Tammyton> Do you know how I can set the grub timeout back to 10 without being able to get into linux?
[20:02] <Tammyton> ubuntu*
[20:03] <pendleton> Tammyton: boot into a liveCD, then make the changes
[20:03] <Tammyton> Is a live cd the same sort of thing you use to install ubuntu?
[20:04] <skitoxe> Pointblank: either add the user to sudo group or change permissions on the executables
[20:04] <pendleton> Tammyton: yep, similar, any sort of Linux you can run from CD/RAM would work
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> Tammyton  yes, it's what you use 'try ubuntu'
[20:04] <Tammyton> oh great, thanks
[20:04] <ghostmag> Someone using Chromium able to test something for me?
[20:04] <ghostmag> I need the Chromium App Launcher, but can't find it
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> !find chromium
[20:05] <MonkeyDust> ghostmag  try chromium-browser
[20:05] <RoadRunner> nacc: it is in order to easily boot into my clone partition which is used only to check a new image (of a primary linux part) after it is created - every time a new image will be thrown on, the UUID will change
[20:05] <ghostmag> MonkeyDust: I can find the browser, but not the App Launcher
[20:05] <ghostmag> MonkeyDust: https://himbeerfarm.wordpress.com/2014/07/19/chromium-app-launcher-on-linux/
[20:06] <MonkeyDust> ghostmag  is that for a phone?
[20:07] <ghostmag> MonkeyDust: No, I need it for my desktop pc.
[20:07] <sregginon> i was banned from a channel
[20:07] <sregginon> i would like to appeal
[20:08] <MonkeyDust> sregginon  banned for no reason, i take it?
[20:08] <sregginon> yes
[20:08] <skitoxe> hahaha
[20:08] <skitoxe> yeah right
[20:08] <TheSpanishInquis> That sucks.
[20:09] <TheSpanishInquis> I've been trying to find a good bitTorrent client for Ubuntu. Does anyone have a suggestion? I'm not really a big fan of transmission.
[20:10] <MonkeyDust> TheSpanishInquis  deluge
[20:10] <nacc> RoadRunner: ah i see
[20:10] <RoadRunner> nacc: re: "GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID" if I enable this option, will it not affect all of my linux partitions?
[20:10] <nacc> RoadRunner: it will, indeed
[20:10] <Tammyton> I'm currently logged into ubuntu from the live cd. I've edited /etc/default/grub on my actual ubuntu partition, but do you know how I can run sudo update-grub?
[20:10] <Tammyton> it's saying error: failed to get canonical path of '/cow'
[20:10] <ioria> Tammyton, you need to mount bind and chroot
[20:11] <Chryseus> Hi, I'm having trouble starting X after removing the nvidia driver for KVM, Xorg keeps configuring for it though http://paste.ubuntu.com/15386613
[20:11] <RoadRunner> nacc: that's what I thought and that's why I was looking for a different solution
[20:11] <Tammyton> ioria hi again, what you told me to do yesterday worked btw :)
[20:11] <MonkeyDust> Chryseus  rename xorg.conf to xorg.conf.bak, then reboot
[20:12] <ioria> Tammyton,  glad to hear that .... read this for chroot https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[20:12] <Tammyton> thanks
[20:12] <Chryseus> MonkeyDust, Tried this already, that's what it makes on boot
[20:12] <Chryseus> MonkeyDust, Wiping it out and running startx sort of works with a few display issues
[20:14] <RoadRunner> nacc: pendleton: I know that I can make a temporary change to one of my Grub booting options: a change in the kernel line (linux /boot/vmlinuz...) from "root=UUID=xxxx" to "root=/dev/sdax" and that works fine but I was looking for a way to make that change permanent
[20:14] <TheSpanishInquis> Thanks MonkeyDust, Deluge looks pretty good.
[20:16] <skitoxe> TheSpanishInquis: rTorrent if you wanna run it in cli
[20:17] <Chryseus> MonkeyDust, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15386666 this is my Xorg log
[20:17] <Tammyton> ioria sorry but what's the command to see which partitions I have? I've done sudo fdisk -l but it's not showing the partition where ubuntu is installed
[20:17] <RoadRunner> and as I see it (as I said earlier), /etc/default/grub file, meant for user customization, doesn't seem to mention partition specific UUID control and /boot/grub/grub.cfg which individually reffers to UUID's, says "not to edit this file".
[20:17] <ioria> Tammyton,  sudo parted -l
[20:18] <Tammyton> thanks
[20:18] <ioria> Tammyton,  np
[20:19] <nqaegg> django
[20:19] <skitoxe> nqaegg: unchained?
[20:20] <RoadRunner> nacc: pendleton: any other suggestions guys?
[20:20] <Pointblank> Hello, how can I allow any user to run mono apps? I see that I cannot without sudo now. Ty if you know :)
[20:20] <Tammyton> this is so confusing ;-;
[20:22] <Pici> Pointblank: Er, why would you need sudo to run a mono application?
[20:22] <skitoxe> Pointblank: either add the user to sudo group or change permissions on the executables
[20:22] <windows8point1> Hey!
[20:22] <skitoxe> hi!
[20:22] <TvL2386> hi
[20:23] <Chryseus> xterm
[20:23] <Chryseus> oops wrong terminal
[20:23] <windows8point1> I got bored with windows and decided to switch to Linux, so I just came by to say hi :D
[20:24] <skitoxe> windows8point1: good to hear. welcome bro
[20:24] <windows8point1> Is 15.10 stable build?
[20:24] <skitoxe> Sit down by the fire and have a drink ;-)
[20:24] <Bashing-om> !manual | windows8point1
[20:24] <skitoxe> windows8point1: for ubuntu yes
[20:24] <windows8point1> Thanks!
[20:24] <Pici> windows8point1: all releases are stable, Ubuntu isn't a rolling release.
[20:24] <pendleton> RoadRunner: did you run the grub-mkconfig -o /[path to your grub dir] afterwards?
[20:25] <craptalk> what is the best ubuntu distro?
[20:25] <Tammyton> ioria I've tried sudo mounth --typed ext4 /dev/sda but it says can't find /dev/sda in etc/fstab
[20:25] <skitoxe> craptalk: personal preference
[20:25] <Pici> Pointblank: What exactly are you trying to run?
[20:25] <skitoxe> craptalk: i like ubuntu mate
[20:25] <bonsairoot> paste.ubuntu.com/15386726 Why do kernel modules fail to load on the newest kernel version after my reinstall. If i choose a previous kernel it works.
[20:25] <Chryseus> startx xterm works fine, does anyone know how you can force Xorg to not reconfigure?
[20:25] <craptalk> skitoxe: alright
[20:26] <ioria> Tammyton,  where did you take that command ?
[20:26] <woodsbw> Anyone have any experience with using KVP (Data Exchange) on Ubuntu as a Hyper-V guest?
[20:26] <woodsbw> I am running Ubuntu 14.04 (with the latest HWE kernel, 4.2.0-27, via linux-virtual-lts-vivid) as a Hyper-V guest...with all needed software installed (linux-tools-virtual-lts-vivid, linux-cloud-tools-virtual-lts-vivid.) I have KVP enabled (and working with Windows guests) on the Hyper-V hosts, the hv_kvp_daemon daemon is running on the Ubuntu guest, and the /var/lib/hyperv/.kvp_pool_* files all exist....but they won't populate with data, no matter
[20:26] <woodsbw> what I do. Has anyone seen this?
[20:26] <craptalk> skitoxe: does kali linux only for pentest purpose? or can i also use it as daily basis work?
[20:26] <Tammyton> ioria just in the default location where terminal opens
[20:27] <ioria> Tammyton,  i linked you a page ... /https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery) look at  'Update Failure' section ... (if you are on efi system is a bit different)
[20:27] <RoadRunner> pendleton: I ran sudo update-grub after making my changes in fstab
[20:28] <Tammyton> ioria, okay, I think I am on efi
[20:28] <skitoxe> craptalk: it's designed for pentesting. I wouldnt use it for everyday work. But you could if you really liked to
[20:28] <windows8point1> Is Ubuntu open-source? If so can I really actually change code of the OS itself?
[20:29] <Pointblank> Hello, how can I allow any user to run mono apps without sudo? I see that I cannot without it now. UBUNTU LTS Ty if you know :)
[20:29] <ioria> Tammyton,  ok, so you have to  mount /dev/sda1 /boot/efi
[20:29] <skitoxe> craptalk: it comes with a ton of software that you dont need if youre not gonna do that type of stuff. and if u installa additional sw over that its gonna be bloated imho
[20:29] <Tammyton> thanks I'll try it
[20:29] <ioria> Tammyton,  assuming your efi on sda1
[20:29] <Jordan_U> craptalk: Kali os not a supported flavor of Ubuntu, if you want advice on what distribution to use outside of official Ubuntu flavors please try ##linux instead.
[20:29] <skitoxe> windows8point1: yes its open source and yes you can change the code
[20:29] <Pici> Pointblank: I'm trying to help, but you haven't answered.  You shouldn't need to use sudo to run mono applications. What exactly are you trying to run and are you getting an error telling you to use sudo? when did this start?
[20:30] <RoadRunner> pendleton: is that not enough?
[20:30] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: Thoughts: out of disk space ? ' df -h ; df -i ' . kernel did not fully install ? compare ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ; la -al /boot ; ls -al /usr/src. ; ls -al /lib/modules/ ' .
[20:31] <Pointblank> Pici thanks, I did not see that. with sudo it starts with sudo and without it is silent. Is mono-service. Any.
[20:33] <Jordan_U> Pointblank: Please pastebin the exact commands you are trying to run and their complete output (if any). How are you determining if it "worked" or not? What is this sercice supposed to do?
[20:35] <bonsairoot> Bashing-om, disk space is definately not the issue. I used the reinstall option, but on my first install i partitioned manually, that shouldn't matter right? I'll check the second option now
[20:36] <Pointblank> Jordan_U I said it is the same for everything I try to run as mono-service. It only asks for password for sudo.
[20:37] <Pici> Pointblank: from what I understand about mono-service is that it is itended to be a sort of launcher for services written in mono.  Does that sound like something at you're trying to do?
[20:37] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: If the 1st install was happy with the partitioning .. the re-install on existing partitons should be equally happy .
[20:37] <Tammyton> ioria can you link me to that post agin please?
[20:38] <Pointblank> Pici yes, that is a launcher for apps made for Windows
[20:38] <ioria> Tammyton,  if you are on efi system it won't work ... can you paste sudo parted -l ?
[20:38] <Pici> Pointblank: not just for apps, for services.
[20:38] <ioria> Tammyton,  anyways https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[20:38] <Pointblank> Pici, yes, both should work
[20:38] <pendleton> RoadRunner: /msg RoadRunner sorry got sidetracked, could you let me know what exactly is going on with fstab?
[20:39] <akik> Pointblank: can you try running the mono application with "/usr/bin/cli your_mono.exe" ?
[20:39] <Tammyton> ioria http://paste.ubuntu.com/15386842/
[20:39] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: Keep in mind IF LVM is a factor ... very likely that the /boot partition fills up quickly !
[20:39] <Pointblank> akik I will try ty
[20:39] <ioria> Tammyton,  it's not efi
[20:39] <Tammyton> my ubuntu partition is on number 6 of /dev/sda
[20:40] <Tammyton> oh alright
[20:40] <akik> Pointblank: looks like /usr/bin/cli is a link to /usr/bin/mono. keepass2 is ran with that
[20:40] <ioria> Tammyton,  your ubuntu partition is probably sda6
[20:41] <Tammyton> ioria okay thanks that worked
[20:41] <ioria> Tammyton,  so you can follow the tutorial ...
[20:41] <Tammyton> didn't realise you have to add the number on the end
[20:41] <ioria> Tammyton,  ^_^
[20:41] <bobby23> Hello
[20:42] <ioria> Tammyton,  'Update Failure' section ...
[20:42] <Pointblank> akik it says: Use mono-service to start service processes
[20:42] <bobby23> I am entirely new to Ubuntu/gnulinux is there any way to get help
[20:42] <akik> Pointblank: sorry i don't know what mono-service does
[20:42] <bobby23> (sorry if this is not the place to ask)
[20:43] <Tammyton> ioria, yup, I was failling on step 4 of that before :p
[20:43] <Tammyton> 3*
[20:43] <bonsairoot> Bashing-om, so I don't know if that's the issue but ls-al /lib/modules didn't have as many versions as the other commands.... I reinstalled because of a "low graphics mode" error and not because of kernel modules...that error just appeared after reinstall
[20:43] <Pointblank> akik no problem. it is a service yes and it should run as service
[20:43] <Pointblank> akik ty anyway
[20:44] <ioria> Tammyton,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure
[20:44] <akik> Pointblank: which package does mono-service come from?
[20:44] <bonsairoot> Bashing-om, also when i try to call the console on the failed kernel modules screen it keeps sending me back to the failure screen after like 1 or 2 seconds on the console
[20:44] <bobby23> can anyone see me (havent used irc in years)
[20:44] <squinty> bobby23,   type /topic
[20:45] <Tammyton> ioria thanks finally did it
[20:45] <caleb> hello, can I ask help questions here?
[20:45] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: Mind ya I am not comfortable to this time ( yet ) with systemd, But for sure all directories should agree. Is the system stable enough to see what the package manager thinks of the system ?
[20:45] <ioria> Tammyton,  good ....
[20:46] <Pointblank> akik mono-service will be that windows program (exe) and mono is mono-complete
[20:46] <bonsairoot> Bashing-om, if i boot using an older kernel version it is. What should I type in?
[20:46] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: If from grub's boot menu you choose an older kernel to boot . does the system then boot ?
[20:46] <squinty> caleb; yes if they are ubuntu support related.
[20:46] <bonsairoot> Bashing-om, yes
[20:47] <akik> Pointblank: dpkg -S `which mono-service`
[20:47] <Pointblank> akik will do that
[20:47] <Guest59681> I'm trying to connect to the serial console port on a cisco router. I have a trendnet USB to serial converter. The program I'm trying to use is PUTTY. When I try to open a connection all I get is a blank box.
[20:47] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: Let's see what the system thinks ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt-get -f install ; sudo dpkg -C ' .
[20:50] <bonsairoot> Bashing-om, upgrade wants to install linux headers (for the newest/non functioning) kernel version but is stuck at 0% waiting for headers.
[20:50] <bobby23> After performing a "sudo reboot" and ubuntu-gnome 15 booting up, I come across an error which states "A start job is running for dev-mapper-cryptswap1.device", I am unsure why this is happening and perhaps it's due to swap partition (which I know nothing about), what is causing this?
[20:51] <Pointblank> akik seems like the answer is here: http://pastebin.com/2R8dy2HF
[20:52] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: Well ,,, let's look at what is NOT fully installed, post in a pastebin ' dpkg -l | grep linix- ' . As a place to start looking for the fault .
[20:52] <bonsairoot> Bashing-om, ok finally moved.... installing the headers.... dpkg -C returned nothing... I'm rebooting real quick
[20:53] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: K .. could be all is good as 'dpkg' had no return ( good ) .
[20:54] <ioria> bobby23, are you encrypted ?
[20:54] <destinydriven> hey guys, I just got an unknown file system error on 15.10.  Happened right after I run a system update.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/15386798
[20:54] <akik> Pointblank: ok i have to say i don't know about this. if it's a service that needs more capabilities than your user account has, then use sudo
[20:54] <bonsairoot> Bashing-om, Nice. I already did sudo apt-get upgrade before on a previous kernel version but it didn't install the headers. Why did it install with sudo apt upgrade? Anyway i can now boot using the newest kernel. Thank you VERY MUCH!
[20:55] <bobby23> ioria: if you mean i have a password set up on my user then yes (apologies, im entirely new to linux)
[20:56] <ioria> bobby23, no, i mean if you chose 'encryption', during your installation ?
[20:56] <RoadRunner> nacc: do you know how to make a UUID partition specific change in /etc/default/grub file?
[20:56] <Pointblank> akik do I open doors widely to system when I use sudo for that command? Cos i saw that command written without sudo.
[20:56] <bobby23> ioria: i had encrypted my home folder a month ago when i first got ubuntu-gnome but the home folder encryption disappeared after an update (it would usually ask me to enter home folder password and then my user pass but one day it stopped doing that)
[20:56] <Jordan_U> bonsairoot: Do you have the linux-headers metapackage installed?
[20:57] <ioria> bobby23,  can you paste ls -a /home ?
[20:58] <Jordan_U> !info linux-headers-generic | bonsairoot
[20:58] <bobby23> ioria: can i acces that via the recovery-mode root? I am currently speaking to you through a raspberry pi
[20:59] <ioria> bobby23,  try recovery mode .  Advanced Option
[21:00] <akik> Pointblank: sorry, don't know
[21:00] <bonsairoot> Jordan_U, Isn't that included in a standard install?
[21:00] <Pointblank> akik ok and ty :)
[21:01] <Jordan_U> Pointblank: What application are you actually trying to run? Also, please actually answer the questions I asked earlier. I can repeat them if needed.
[21:01] <bobby23> ioria: when i type "ls -a /home" into root-shell i get this ".  ..  .ecryptfs "username""
[21:01] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: That one is among the other many things I can not explain . Is Good that all is good now . md5sums and signing keys are supposed to make sure what the system requires is what the system gets . exactly .
[21:01] <ioria> bobby23,  so, you encrypted your home folder ....
[21:02] <ioria> bobby23,  and the pc not booting ?
[21:03] <bobby23> ioria: no it boots up to "dev-mapper" then proceeds to load forever
[21:03] <PrettyBoy2000> hi
[21:03] <skitoxe> hi
[21:03] <PrettyBoy2000> my ubuntu get bigger screen how to fix it
[21:04] <skitoxe> PrettyBoy2000: what do you mean? can you show a screenshot?
[21:04] <Jordan_U> bonsairoot: I don't know. Do you currently have it inatalled? If not, you will have the same problem next kernel upgrade.
[21:04] <bobby23> ioria: online complaints claim its something to do with swap partition but i am unable to rewrite /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab, it states they are "read only"
[21:04] <Pointblank> Jordan_U http://was.fm/secondlife/scripted_agents/corrade#progressive1
[21:04] <PrettyBoy2000> yeah i just got 640x640 resolution
[21:05] <ioria> bobby23,  i think you encrypted your entire system...  sudo parted -l
[21:05] <skitoxe> PrettyBoy2000: control center > Displays and change the resolution
[21:06] <bobby23> ioria: it has given me a bunch of info, what should i give you
[21:06] <PrettyBoy2000> can't change to bigger
[21:07] <bobby23> ioria: there are 3 disk flags "fat32 - efi system partition" "ext4" and "linux-swap(v1)"
[21:07] <slaffe> is there any software that detects portscanns?
[21:07] <PrettyBoy2000> its said Virtubox not running
[21:07] <PrettyBoy2000> after i logged in
[21:07] <bekks> PrettyBoy2000: Are you running Ubuntu in a virtual machine?
[21:08] <PrettyBoy2000> no
[21:08] <PrettyBoy2000> i installed in my pc
[21:08] <ioria> bobby23,  ha, ok no fde
[21:08] <PrettyBoy2000> not in VM or else
[21:08] <ioria> bobby23,  just home folder
[21:08] <skitoxe> PrettyBoy2000: has it worked before? or did u just install it?
[21:08] <Pointblank> Jordan_U Plus I answered I think. Output from console was the request to provide password for user I want to run that app under
[21:09] <bobby23> ioria: is there anyway to savour this
[21:09] <bonsairoot> Jordan_U, I have linux-headers-generic installed. might  be this? and then linux-headers-[kernelversions]
[21:10] <ioria> bobby23, if you can navigate your fs without enter a pass phrase ...
[21:10] <bobby23> ioria: i know the pass to my home folder
[21:12] <ioria> bobby23,  can you cd /home/<user>   and ls  ?
[21:12] <Jordan_U> Pointblank: You didn't provide the exact commamd you're running or explain how you're determining if it "worked" or not.
[21:13] <bonsairoot> Bashing-om, Yea thanks again. I screwed my system trying to fix this low graphics mode error. Btw how do you handle reinstalls and packages? Do you always keep a log with the installed packages somewhere?
[21:14] <bobby23> ioria: cd didnt do anything but ls revealed two files, one from documents and one from downloads
[21:14] <bobby23> ioria: the files revealed werent all of my files
[21:14] <Guest12134> hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu onto a z220 thinkpad via a usb. i changed the grub order but when it boots it just goes to a black screen with a blinking cursor. I've tried it with three different usbs. Does anyone have nay ideas on what might be the issue?
[21:14] <Pointblank> Jordan_U mono-service Corrade.exe is command.  Output is nothing
[21:15] <skitoxe> Guest12134: are you sure the USB is a correct bootable usb?
[21:15] <ioria> bobby23,  mount -o remount,rw /
[21:16] <Pointblank> Jordan_U I could add that user to sudoer's file but that I am not sure I should do. Cos of security of that pc
[21:17] <Jordan_U> Pointblank: I asked two questions, you only answered one. I'm not going to repeat myself again.
[21:17] <ioria> bobby23, and try   sudo ecryptfs-recover-private
[21:18] <bobby23> ioria: it just said "mount: only root can use "--options" option"
[21:18] <ioria> bobby23, aren't you in root shell ?
[21:18] <bobby23> yes
[21:18] <bobby23> from recovery mode
[21:18] <Pointblank> You didn't provide the exact commamd you're running (the command I provided) or explain how you're determining if it "worked" or not. (the progam did not start) Not sure what was unclear to you, sorry.
[21:18] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: Been there and done that a few times .. I do keep a backup of personal files .. and a change log of any changes I make to the system . I just do a clean install, and copy my files back.
[21:18] <Guest12134> what do you mean correct bootable usb? I've installed off it before
[21:19] <ioria> bobby23,  you don't nned sudo then ... (confused)
[21:19] <Guest12134> I tried unetbootin and dd
[21:19] <skitoxe> Guest12134: ok, then i don't know why you would only get a prompt. sorry
[21:19] <ioria> bobby23,  sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[21:19] <Jordan_U> Pointblank: If there is no output either way, how are you determining that the program didn't start?
[21:20] <bobby23> ioria: i found an encrypted private directory "[/home/.ecryptfs/"username"/ .Private]
[21:20] <bobby23> ioria: it asks if i want to recover it
[21:20] <Guest12134> Some of the things I see in the forum think theres a problem with the master boot record on the usb
[21:20] <Guest12134> I'm not sure
[21:20] <ioria> bobby23,  yes... you can backup it... so you are safe ...
[21:20] <Pointblank> Jordan_U There is no running process :)
[21:20] <bobby23> ioria: so should i recover it
[21:21] <ioria> bobby23,  if you want to backup  ... yes
[21:21] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: By-The_way, a "low graphics mode" is most likeky a failure to load the GUI graphics's driver .
[21:22] <ioria> bobby23, the command will mount the encrypted directory in your /tmp directory.
[21:23] <roberto> salve
[21:23] <Pointblank> Jordan_U I would expect this: mono/usr/lib/mono/4.5/mono-service.exe :/home/myuser/Corrade.exe.lock /home/myuser/Corrade.exe
[21:24] <Pointblank> Jordan_U Which surprisingly worsk with sudo ;)
[21:26] <slaffe> Is it possible to change the timer to enter your password and executing a sudo command?
[21:27] <slaffe> -and+when
[21:27] <slaffe> I mean the inactivity timer or something
[21:27] <bobby23> ioria:the backup failed due to read only, and the mount isnt doing anything
[21:27] <bobby23> ioria: perhaps im typing it incorrectly
[21:27] <ioria> bobby23,  sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[21:27] <skitoxe> slaffe: yes, do sudo visudo
[21:28] <skitoxe> slaffe: then find line Defaults env_reset
[21:28] <ioria> bobby23,  you can also enable networking from the Recovery Menu and then again root-shell
[21:29] <skitoxe> slaffe: and then change ot to Defaults env_reset,timestamp_timeout=30
[21:29] <bonsairoot> Bashing-om, Yes I also back up my home partition every couple of days. I've read a lot about that error but nothing that I tried worked. In the end I switched to proprietary drivers for the gpu and then after the switch from lightdm to gdm everything broke. Hope it doesn't return. Came out of nowhere :P
[21:29] <bobby23> ioria: it says /dev/sda2 is already mounted
[21:29] <skitoxe> or whatever time you want
[21:29] <bobby23> ioria: jesus this linux stuff is hard, is this the price of free software lol
[21:31] <bobby23> ioria: can i access my hdd by creating a bootable usb with ubuntu gnome 14?
[21:32] <ioria> bobby23,  sure ...
[21:32] <bobby23> ioria: do you know any software than can be used on the raspberry pi?
[21:32] <bobby23> ioria: i have no idea how to run .exe or .bin files on raspbian (debian)
[21:33] <ioria> bobby23,  nope sorry  , but if your home is  encrypted you need ecryptfs-recover-private anyways
[21:33] <jayjo> Is there any way to develop an ios application with xcode on ubuntu 14.04?
[21:34] <ioria> bobby23,  are you on debian or ubuntu ?
[21:34] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: My take .. mixing Desktop Environments is condusive to conflicts ! I do not .. I have the disk space and I clean install various releases/desktops - presently with hard drive issues and one of my drives is disconnected awaiting new sata cables .
[21:34] <bobby23> iroia: my pc is ubuntu-gnome 15 (the one im having trouble with)
[21:36] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: My current setup : http://paste.ubuntu.com/15387254/ .
[21:36] <ioria> bobby23,  how did you encrypt your home folder ? during the installation preocess ?
[21:36] <bonsairoot> jayjo, Don't you need apple sdk to compile and test ios apps? (only available on mac)
[21:36] <bobby23> ioria: yes
[21:37] <bobby23> ioria: it asked me if i wanted to as an option and like an idiot i ticked
[21:37] <slaffe> Is it possible to change the timer to enter your password when executing a sudo command?
[21:37] <skitoxe> slaffe: i have already answeredd you
[21:37] <skitoxe> look above
[21:37] <ioria> bobby23, the way i always used to recover is this http://www.howtogeek.com/116297/how-to-recover-an-encrypted-home-directory-on-ubuntu/
[21:38] <itqan> Hi, my acer ku-0355 desktop keyboard's arrow keys seem to be not working lately
[21:38] <itqan> tried  sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[21:38] <slaffe> skitoxe oops, did not see that. Thanks alot.
[21:38] <itqan> and adjusted the keyboard settings but that too doesn't seem to work
[21:39] <skitoxe> slaffe: no worries mate
[21:39] <itqan> up key is working but left, right, down isn't.
[21:40] <codythefox> hi
[21:41] <skitoxe> hello!
[21:41] <codythefox> how're you?
[21:42] <codythefox> ugh, everyone's quitting...
[21:42] <ioria> bobby23, once you have recovered you can follow this to remove the encrypted /home  http://www.howtogeek.com/116179/how-to-disable-home-folder-encryption-after-installing-ubuntu/
[21:42] <bonsairoot> Bashing-om, I see. Makes sense.
[21:42] <itqan> any ideas? ..anyone?
[21:43] <Bashing-om> itqan: Keyboard brike, keys stuck ?? does 'xev' see key events ?
[21:44] <Bashing-om> bonsairoot: Just because you can, does not mena you should . I see may people with conflics in using more than a single DE .
[21:47] <ioria> bobby23, have to go, good luck
[21:50] <itqan> @Bashing-om nope, xev doesn't seem to detect it aswell.
[21:51] <Bashing-om> itqan: Swap out the keyboard .. does the alternate board work ?
[21:55] <itqan> Bashing-om: hmm.. Didn't try that. It just stopped working one fine day after I restarted my computer. I was suspecting some driver issue.
[21:58] <Bashing-om> itqan: Could be a number of things .. think though that 'xev' works from a lower level. If 'xev' does not see the key press/release event, well .. keyboard problem most likely .
[22:00] <itqan> Bashing-om: OK, I'll just cross check that tomorrow since everybody fast asleep now (3:30 am here) :)
[22:00] <itqan> Bashing-om: anyways, thank you.
[22:02] <tbsf> Do you know who manages the aws repos?
[22:02] <Bashing-om> itqan: Second opions are always a good thing . Only takes a second - if there is another board around ( PS2 boards are not hot-swappable ! ) .
[22:04] <itqan> Bashing-om: :)
[22:07] <skinux> How can I tell Ubuntu to use SDA8 as SWAP when BLKID doesn't return anything for SDA8?
[22:10] <reisio> skinux: you can't
[22:11] <bonsairoot> are employers actively looking for people with certs like lpic or are they more like a nice to have type of thing?
[22:11] <reisio> the more stupid credentials you can put on your CV, the better off you'll be
[22:11] <reisio> they eat that nonsense up with a spoon
[22:12] <reisio> now that isn't to say they might not also give you a simple test and make you prove you know wtf you're doing
[22:12] <reisio> but the people in charge of getting you interviews are not qualified to even interpret the jargon you put onto your CV, they are only qualified to see if it's present at all
[22:12] <reisio> only after that process do you talk to someone with 1/4 of a clue about what it is you'll be doing
[22:12] <skinux> Hmm. Well, Ubuntu recognized it as SWAP when I installed, but apparently not after installation.
[22:13] <reisio> skinux: it'd be in /etc/fstab if Ubuntu recognized it
[22:13] <skitoxe> skinux: like your nick :P
[22:14] <bonsairoot> I see. So it helps a lot to get the interview and afterwards experience is way more important? That's what would make the most sense.
[22:14] <reisio> bonsairoot: not necessarily
[22:14] <reisio> IME interviewers are often also clueless and don't test you at all
[22:14] <reisio> /but in an interview/ a test is possible
[22:14] <reisio> nobody can test you via reading your resume
[22:15] <reisio> basically, as many stupid buzzwords as are listed in the ad, that you can put on your resume, the more likely you'll get an interview
[22:15] <reisio> because some glorified paper pusher is just reading resumes looking for a list of strings someone gave her
[22:15] <reisio> they don't know what the strings mean :p
[22:15] <reisio> (not that the people who gave the list to her usually know either :p)
[22:16] <skitoxe> haha reisio, word on that!
[22:17] <bonsairoot> reisio, yea I get that :P. I'm done with my BA soon and thought about getting some certificates during the summer. I hope it might help with getting a job for first experience in the field afterwards.
[22:17] <reisio> and I say 'her' because it's next to impossible for a man to get an "office" job :p
[22:18] <reisio> bonsairoot: BA in what?
[22:18] <bonsairoot> cs
[22:18] <reisio> guess it won't hurt if you've time to kill, but a BA in CS should do you fine
[22:18] <mxgms> Hi, I'd want to know if Ubuntu phone is ready to a full experience ... can someone answer that?
[22:18] <reisio> mxgms: #ubuntu-touch, IIRC
[22:21] <reisio> bonsairoot: get the sense lately people are happy to get a link to an active github type repo these days, too
[22:21] <django_> anyone with xubuntu know how to restore the wifi/buttons on the top right corner: http://i.imgur.com/57J4yCk.png
[22:24] <reisio> django_: right click anywhere on the panel, Panel > Panel Preferences > Items (tab)
[22:24] <reisio> django_: actually I take it back, run 'nm-applet'
[22:24] <skinux> fstab DOES have it, but it's commented out and replaced with "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1 none swap sw 0 0
[22:24] <skinux> "
[22:25] <reisio> django_: if that doesn't work, run connman-gtk
[22:29] <bonsairoot> reisio, I've read that on several internship/first experience offers. Depends on the field of work. I really liked the small networking intro course we had. So I think I might check out some of those cisco books and see if that would be something for me.
[22:35] <romare> hello I'd like to install popcorn time on my ubuntu system. how will I do it?
[22:35] <romare> http://popcorntimece.ch/
[22:36] <romare> this is the website of it
[22:36] <django_> reisio, nm-applet doesnt do anyhting
[22:36] <bobby_> hey does anyone know if the mpegff exploit/security issue has been patched yet for version 15.10?
[22:36] <django_> for the other one i get: connman-gtk: command not found
[22:37] <sleety> hello?
[22:37] <pitastrudl> hi
[22:38] <pitastrudl> how do i add a ssh key permanently to ubuntu
[22:38] <pitastrudl> ssh-add does not do it
[22:38] <pitastrudl> i did create a authorised_keys file in ./ssh/ and put the private openssh key into it
[22:38] <sleety> so i need help i installed virutalbox in my ubuntu and it uninstalled ubuntu desktop terminal and other software...
[22:38] <pitastrudl> but after a reboot it does not persist
[22:38] <sleety> any help?
[22:38] <django_> pitastrudl, https://help.github.com/articles/generating-a-new-ssh-key-and-adding-it-to-the-ssh-agent/
[22:39] <Bashing-om> !ask | sleety
[22:41] <pitastrudl> django_ i did that, didnt help
[22:41] <pitastrudl> does not persist
[22:43] <pitastrudl> nvm
[22:44] <bonsairoot> romare, http://askubuntu.com/questions/675526/how-to-install-popcorn-time-using-installer-from-their-official-site
[22:45] <skinux> reisio: According to FSTAB, SWAP was recognized on installation, but it is commented out with a cryptswap line not commented.
[22:46] <bobby23> when attempting to open my encrypted external hdd, i get this prompt "error unlocking /dev/sdb1: error spawning command line
[22:46] <bobby23> can anyone help me with this
[22:47] <aethersis> hello, since Qt is now in hands of microsoft, could Ubuntu and distros alike be at risk because they use Qt a lot?
[22:48] <aethersis> I mean let's say it suddenly screws up support for linux as it did with Skype or it abandons this project?
[22:49] <jayjo> What is the bluetooth stack I need to install for an adapter to work?
[22:49] <nacc> aethersis: that's not really a support question
[22:49] <aethersis> ahh so it's support only... is there some general ubuntu chat?
[22:49] <MissingYou---> hi
[22:50] <nacc> aethersis: #ubuntu-offtopic, maybe?
[22:50] <mcphail> aethersis: #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:51] <reisio> jayjo: bluez, should already be installed
[22:52] <jayjo> Hm - so if an adapter doesn't show up in system settings > bluetooth, how else can I investigate if it's showing up?
[22:52] <reisio> hcitool
[22:52] <reisio> lsusb, lspci
[22:52] <Chryseus> I'm having a hard time getting Xorg to work on my integrated graphics, it keeps going in to safe mode and replacing my xorg.conf with http://paste.ubuntu.com/15387720
[22:53] <reisio> Chryseus: "it"?
[22:53] <reisio> Chryseus: if you want to use intel, you don't even need a xorg.conf
[22:53] <Chryseus> reisio, when I boot up
[22:54] <Chryseus> reisio, I've tried remove but but it keeps doing it, I think it's trying to use my nvidia card
[22:54] <NewUbuntu15> Hey, is there skype for Ubuntu 15.10?
[22:54] <skitoxe> NewUbuntu15: sudo apt-get install skype
[22:54] <Bashing-om> Chryseus: Hybrid graphics, when switching graphics sets the xorg.conf file also gets switched for the selected chip set .
[22:54] <skitoxe> and then ull get it
[22:55] <aethersis> skitoxe: is that some new skype?
[22:55] <aethersis> or still the old piece of #@$@
[22:55] <NewUbuntu15> skitoxe unable to locate package skype
[22:55] <skitoxe> aethersis: same old shit
[22:55] <Chryseus> reisio, Well the intel igc doesn't seem to be working, my nvidia card is used by pci-stub and the drivers are blacklisted
[22:56] <aethersis> NewUbuntu15: go there: http://www.skype.com/pl/download-skype/skype-for-computer/ and choose 12.04 multiarch
[22:56] <skitoxe> NewUbuntu15: that's wierd, it should be in your standard repository. go to www.skype.com and check there
[22:56] <aethersis> XD
[22:56] <pilne> ok, i'm happily running openjdk-8 as my "system" java, i'd like to install openjdk-6 alongside it for android development, is there an easy way to do this that will not set it as the default handler for anything?
[22:56] <NewUbuntu15> So 12.04 is latest version? Okay, thanks! (:
[22:56] <Chryseus> Bashing-om, I'm not sure if it's a problem with the intel igc or it's trying to use the disabled nvidia card
[22:57] <pilne> 12.04 is.... very not new...
[22:57] <aethersis> Chryseus: what's your problem? Got a nvidia laptop?
[22:58] <Chryseus> Bashing-om, No this is a desktop, I've disabled the nvidia card with pci-stub so I can use it with KVM, I want to run on the IGC
[22:58] <Bashing-om> Chryseus: log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log has a lot of info as to what is going on in that graphic's (X) layer .
[22:58] <nacc> pilne: use a VM or container?
[22:59] <pilne> true, that's probably the smartest way, build in a docker or vm :)
[22:59] <pilne> thanks!
[23:00] <aethersis> Chryseus: have you downloaded nvidia driver from repos or are you using the one from their website?
[23:00] <nacc> pilne: it'll keep your dev environment stable & clean too, ideally :)
[23:00] <Chryseus> Bashing-om, This is what I'm getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/15387774
[23:00] <Bashing-om> Chryseus: reading .
[23:00] <pilne> now to find a vm simple enough for my derp-self...
[23:02] <aethersis> Chryseus: are you using repo driver or nvidia closed source driver?
[23:02] <Bashing-om> Chryseus: " intel_iommu=on " Are you certain that your motherboard supports IOMMU ? Mine does not .
[23:03] <aethersis> it is actually important because if the nvidia driver installs improperly, then you're in a trouble and you have to use depmod
[23:03] <aethersis> also it might stop working after each kernel upgrade lol
[23:03] <Chryseus> Bashing-om, I did a purge of the closed source driver, the one in the repo is blacklisted, and yeah I've checked IOMMU
[23:03] <aethersis> Chryseus: purge is not enough, you need to use depmod to completely remove it
[23:04] <aethersis> ah wait, closed source from repos?
[23:04] <Chryseus> aethersis, oh, I'll try that then
[23:04] <aethersis> then you should be ok
[23:04] <aethersis> if it was closed source from nvidia, then depmod
[23:04] <Chryseus> aethersis, yeah nvidia-253 or something
[23:04] <NewUbuntu15> OMG!!!! I just installed Skype! (newest version) and got little nostalgic, it brings me back to `90s  :D
[23:04] <aethersis> what graphics card do you have? (model)
[23:05] <kostkon> pilne, sudo update-java-alternatives -l    then   sudo update-java-alternatives -s <jvm_name>   to set the default jvm. openjdk8 will remain the default even after you install openjdk6 afaik
[23:05] <Chryseus> aethersis, GTX 970, integrated is a I7 4790
[23:06] <pilne> after installing jdk6 it left some things tied to jdk7 (like icedtea if i remember correctly) even when setting it with update-java-alternatives
[23:06] <Chryseus> aethersis, it seems to be working on the integrated fine or I'd not be seeing anything, but xorg refuses to work
[23:06] <aethersis> waaaait
[23:06] <kostkon> pilne, ok
[23:06] <Bashing-om> Chryseus: The system is still seeing Nvidia ( no module available ), is the kernel also seeing the hardware  - lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' - ?
[23:06] <aethersis> 253? there's no way it supports 970! there's your problem!
[23:06] <aethersis> the current driver is 360 or something close to this
[23:07] <aethersis> you installed it and it made some messs.... what version of ubuntu are you using, Chryseus?
[23:07] <Chryseus> Bashing-om, Yeah the kernel can see it
[23:07] <aethersis> starting from 14.04 nvidia-331 is in repos
[23:08] <Chryseus> aethersis, I'm using 15.04 I think
[23:08] <aethersis> strange, you should have nvidia-331 avalible
[23:08] <ARandomScientist> I'm new to Linux. Looking for a good beginners resource for learning terminal. Any ideas?
[23:08] <Chryseus> aethersis, yeah it was something like that
[23:08] <aethersis> you said 25-something
[23:09] <kostkon> !manual | ARandomScientist
[23:09] <Chryseus> aethersis, nvidia-352
[23:09] <kostkon> ARandomScientist, oh scratch that
[23:09] <Bashing-om> Chryseus: Nvidia recommends the 361 version driver : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/98373/en-us .
[23:09] <nxcsa> I want a script to do something every hour, I figured I'd use cron but it looks like cron sets the script to run every hour from the command line forever, instead of running it every hour until you kill the script. Should I just use sleep 1h inside of the script? Just thought that having a sleeping process was bad convention.
[23:09] <kostkon> !bash
[23:09] <Chryseus> Bashing-om, I don't need the nvidia driver for KVM, I just want it to use the integrated graphics
[23:09] <aethersis> Chryseus: yeah, try nvidia dedicated driver, MAKE SURE IT MATCHES YOUR OS (32 or 64 BIT)!
[23:10] <aethersis> in order to install it, you need to run the script as sudo and first kill the GUI
[23:10] <aethersis> then ctrl+alt+f1 and install it from console
[23:10] <Chryseus> aethersis, I thought the point was to fully disable the nvidia card for KVM ?
[23:10] <aethersis> why'd you want to disable it?
[23:10] <Bashing-om> Chryseus: K. as the kernel is still picking up the Nvidia hardware, bios is passing it .. so not diabled in bios .
[23:11] <aethersis> Bashing-om: he might not have it avalible for disabling in BIOS, but I'd try there first
[23:11] <bar_> #PiMP
[23:11] <aethersis> then you can check with depmod whether it has any nvidia modules installed and if it does, then remove them with depmod
[23:11] <Chryseus> aethersis, I was planning on using the IGC on the host and then passing the GPU to the KVM
[23:11] <aethersis> that's all I can think about
[23:11] <aethersis> try with depmod then
[23:11] <Chryseus> aethersis, ok I'll try that
[23:12] <Trinity> i'm trying to overclock my Nvidia GPU but when I cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf it's empty
[23:12] <Trinity> is this normal for Ubuntu 14.04LTS?
[23:12] <Bashing-om> aethersis: Yeah, there is that .. but IF not, I would be surprised .. but I have not seen a recent motherboard .
[23:12] <aethersis> depmod is the best solution I can think about
[23:13] <aethersis> I wouldn't be surprised if it's still there and it might be a version that doesn't support your board
[23:13] <aethersis> hence all the problems... I went through a lot of troubles with nividia both on laptops and with Tesla boards
[23:13] <aethersis> with laptops it was the worst, with Tesla, slightly better
[23:13] <Bashing-om> Trinity: Yhe use of that file is depreciated, however, if present will be used .
[23:14] <Trinity> Bashing-om, cool. is there a new file being used?
[23:14] <aethersis> Chryseus: need any help with depmod?
[23:15] <Bashing-om> Trinity: (K)ernel (M)ode (S)etting ... the kernel now does all the discovery and setting .
[23:15] <aethersis> btw I love how they added support for my CM8888 based sound card in 16.04 :D
[23:15] <aethersis> any idea who makes these drivers/how they do that?
[23:16] <Chryseus> aethersis, I think I'm going to try disable the GPU before launching KVM, that might work better than this approach
[23:16] <aethersis> well, disabling it in BIOS is a kind of a brute-force approach
[23:16] <aethersis> because it won't work at all anymore and if you switch to other OS, you will have to reenable it manually...
[23:17] <user_> guys how can I know what is the appropiate graphics driver for my laptop? Im using Ubuntu 15.1
[23:17] <Chryseus> aethersis, do you think that would actually work ? I don't mind it being disabled in Linux as long as it works with KVM
[23:18] <aethersis> if I didn't actually think that disabling it in depmod could help, I wouldn't mention it
[23:18] <user_> someone?
[23:18] <Bashing-om> user_: ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' .
[23:18] <aethersis> user_ what graphics card do you have?
[23:21] <user_> Bashing-om: give me a sec
[23:21] <jayjo> if my mouse speed is still too fast after lowering it as far as I can in the system settings, is there anything else I can do?
[23:22] <user_> Bashing-om: bcmwl-kernel-source
[23:22] <user_> intel-microcode
[23:22] <user_> aethersis: I think an intel family 4000
[23:23] <reisio> jayjo: could try playing with xset directly
[23:24] <Bashing-om> user_: Intel graphics ? show in a pastebin ' lspci -vnn | grep VGA -A 12 ' ? Be aware, Intel supports us very well, there will be no other driver for Intel offered .
[23:24] <user_> Bashing-om: give me sec, what do you mean? That the driver I showed you is the only driver out there?
[23:26] <user_> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/pbQTJDeE
[23:26] <Bashing-om> user_: Intel provides the driver incorporated into the kernel . none other is required . - For Intel only graphics .
[23:26] <user_> Bashing-om: ok ok
[23:27] <Bashing-om> user_: You are golden ... now if ya want to experiment and do some testing for Intel, they do provide a PPA to do so .
[23:28] <user_> Bashing-om: what do you mean lol? How can I fix it? Are you being ironic :(?
[23:28] <Bashing-om> user_: ^^ Be aware if you do go this route, it is a real pain to revert .
[23:29] <user_> Bashing-om: I regularly play Steam games and everything worked fine until I upgrades to Ubunt u15.1
[23:29] <Bashing-om> user_: Fix ?? nope not ironic ... what did you do to break it ?
[23:29] <simur20> hi
[23:30] <Bashing-om> user_: Steam on that card ... I just do not know .. but I can accept it will not do 3d at all .
[23:30] <user_> Bashing-om: lol I dont know, I always do my updates and never start trying new things. That why is strange :(
[23:31] <user_> Bashing-om: How can I fix it?, My laptop has no physical damage
[23:31] <vert0let|afk>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 3.15.9-pclos1 x86_64 ** Distro: PCLinuxOS release 2016 (PCLinuxOS) for x86_64 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4700MQ CPU @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.39GHz ** RAM: Physical: 2.0GiB, 22.2% free ** Disk: Total: 9.7GiB, 45.1% free ** VGA: 80ee:beef ** Sound: ICH - Intel 82801AA-ICH ** Ethernet: 1022:2000 ** Uptime: 1d 11h 43m 21s **
[23:31] <pendleton> 1
[23:31] <Bashing-om> user_: Is playing steam games the only issue with graphics ?
[23:32] <user_> Bashing-om: yes, videos work perfectly and everything else does to
[23:33] <Bashing-om> user_: I would think a config issue ... but I have no experience with steam . so my opinion ends at this point .
[23:33] <user_> Bashing-om: take a guess please?
[23:35] <Bashing-om> user_: Sorry ( not as I do not game ) I have no experience to make a judgement on . As all else is good, must be a issue with steam it's self .
[23:36] <user_> Bashing-om: so you mean my drivers are ok?
[23:37] <Bashing-om> user_: Most assuredly they are good .. else all others things would be hammered on also .. the 'lshw' says the driver is loaded . and it is the ONLY driver that is available - or needed ..
[23:37] <user_> Bashing-om: perfect
[23:38] <jayjo> Is there any easy way to have all the mac keybindings ported over to ubuntu? I use mac osx at work, and ubuntu at home
[23:39] <Bashing-om> user_: As all else other than steam is perfect .. tweak on steam configuration is all I can advise . and take that with that "grain of salt " .
[23:39] <user_> Bashing-om: ok I will do that. Its a pitty because with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS it worked perfectly
[23:40] <Bashing-om> user_: Nother though - that I do not know - maybe the version of steam is no longer compatible with the installed kernel ???
[23:41] <Bashing-om> isene: How did you install steam ? It is in the repo .
[23:42] <user_> Bashing-om: maybe, I really dont know
[23:43] <Bashing-om> user_: Excuse me ? Your system and you do not know how steam - proprietary software - got on your system ??
[23:44] <user_> Bashing-om: lol, I do know. I install it from the terminal as many blogs say how to install it. More than that I dont know
[23:46] <Bashing-om> user_: If other than from our software repository, then I can readily accept there could be issues when the system is updated. As that then is NOT ubuntu software .
[23:47] <user_> Bashing-om: Probably is what you say. How can I fix this?
[23:49] <snitchk> hi
[23:50] <Bashing-om> ise, I do not have experience .. all I can do is flounder through this with you pthers will have greater knowledge. What results ' apt list steam ' apt-cache policy steam ' . We get an idea of what we are dealing with.
[23:51] <Bashing-om> user_: ^^
[23:51] <jayjo> I have a program that I have to run with 'sudo sh ./filename'. Can I do this with a desktop icon?
[23:52] <user_> Bashing-om: please help me
[23:53] <Bashing-om> user_: Show us in a pastenin the reults '  apt list steam ' apt-cache policy steam ' . We get an idea of what we are dealing with.
[23:54] <user_> ok
[23:55] <Bashing-om> user_: I must be away from the keyboard for a bit .. be back soonest .
[23:55] <user_> Bashing-om: thanks! Ill do the commands now
[23:57] <user_> Bashing-om http://pastebin.com/VJDZSPRd
[23:57] <xrick> hi there
[23:57] <abhishek> hi...i am installing oracle 12c db with the help of this website ..http://tutorialforlinux.com/2016/01/07/how-to-install-oracle-12c-database-on-ubuntu-15-10-wily-64bit-easy-guide/
[23:57] <Trinity> hey guys so I just set Option "CoolBit" "8" but my computer freezes at the xubuntu splash
[23:57] <Trinity> any ideas?
[23:57] <Trinity> i'm about to run it in quiet splash but I wanted to know if anyone knows any solutions to this before I do that
[23:58] <user_> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/vT9fUXk3
[23:59] <abhishek> but in step 11 when i am cmd executing in terminal then it show me....Source location is incomplete. Make sure you have downloaded and extracted
[23:59] <abhishek> all the relevant archives.
[23:59] <Align_Waivers> hey i'm having an issue compiling GEM (part of pure-data)
[23:59] <Align_Waivers> anyone can help
[23:59] <Align_Waivers> ?


[01:15]  * wallyworld sighs. ocr on leave means reviews kinda stall
[01:20] <alexisb> wallyworld, we should start having folks assign back-up for ocr when they go on vacation
[01:20] <wallyworld> yes we should - we used to have that as a polciy
[01:20] <wallyworld> i guess we still do in theory
[01:20] <wallyworld> folks just have to follow it :-)
[02:04] <menn0> wallyworld: just so you know, i'm currently dealing with a nasty upgrade issue that CTS has run in to
[02:04] <wallyworld> oh no
[02:04] <wallyworld> bug?
[02:05] <menn0> wallyworld: seems to affect any upgrade from 1.24.x
[02:05] <menn0> wallyworld: the agent won't restart... a worker is failing to stop
[02:05] <menn0> wallyworld: only seems to happen with big complex envs (bootstack in this case)
[02:05] <menn0> wallyworld: i'm using the bootstack staging env atm the repro and am making some progress
[02:06] <menn0> wallyworld: RT 82240... i'll make sure there's a Juju ticket if there isn't already
[02:06] <menn0> thumper was looking at this last week but I've taken it over in his absence
[02:06] <wallyworld> oh, ty
[02:07] <wallyworld> menn0: is it bug 1468653
[02:07] <mup> Bug #1468653: jujud hanging after upgrading from 1.24.0 to 1.24.1(and 1.24.2) <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:In Progress by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468653>
[02:07] <alexisb> menn0, that is a bootstack bug
[02:08] <menn0> alexisb: I don't think so
[02:08] <menn0> alexisb: jujud is definitely not doing the right thing... it's getting stuck when trying to shut down
[02:08] <menn0> wallyworld: that is the ticket though (LP was timing out for me)
[02:09] <wallyworld> ok
[02:58] <menn0> wallyworld: this is definitely leadership related
[02:58] <wallyworld> oh joy
[02:58] <menn0> wallyworld: when I reproed there were 9 stuck API connections
[02:58] <menn0> wallyworld: and there were 9 goroutines waiting in BlockUntilLeadershipReleased
[02:58] <menn0> wallyworld: in 1.24.0 at least there's a naked channel read there
[02:59] <wallyworld> stuck before upgrade during shotdown of agents?
[02:59] <menn0> wallyworld: yep
[02:59] <menn0> wallyworld: when did you fix all the naked channel ops?
[02:59] <wallyworld> i didn't fix those
[02:59] <wallyworld> i think maybe william did?
[02:59] <wallyworld> or tim?
[03:00] <menn0> ok, I thought you did some
[03:00] <wallyworld> if i did i can't remember
[03:00] <menn0> anyway, I shoudl hopefully have this soon
[03:00] <wallyworld> i guess we think that 1.24.2 is ok
[03:01] <wallyworld> and 1.24.0 upgrades may need a manual process if it hangs
[03:01] <menn0> not sure, I think the problem still happens when upgrading from 1.24.2
[03:01] <menn0> I'll check that soon
[03:01] <wallyworld> ok
[03:02] <menn0> it takes about 30 mins to build up the env to test it
[03:03] <menn0> and I don't want to tear it down just yet until I've finished looking at this env
[03:08] <wallyworld> ok
[03:17] <menn0> wallyworld: ok, i understand the problem now
[03:17] <menn0> wallyworld: checking to see if someone has already fixed it in a later 1.24 or in master
[03:17] <wallyworld> ok
[03:18] <menn0> wallyworld: basically if any of the leadership API requests are active (and some are quite long running) while an upgrade is initiated the server will get stuck
[03:19] <menn0> wallyworld: the more units you have the more likely you are to hit the problem
[03:20] <wallyworld> menn0: yes, that sounds very plausibl based on what has been observed before and what andrew/william fixed
[03:20] <wallyworld> i don't think there's a fix we can do because 1.24.0 is already running
[03:22] <menn0> wallyworld: that's true, but it would be good to ensure that the next 1.24.0 doesn't have the problem
[03:22] <menn0> sorry 1.24.x
[03:23] <menn0> wallyworld: from looking at the code, the problem is still there in master
[03:23] <menn0> wallyworld: hangout?
[03:23] <wallyworld> sure, sec
[03:24] <menn0> wallyworld: onyx standup?
[04:02] <menn0> wallyworld: it's not actually as simple as we thought... the thing returned by NewLeaseManager is actually the singleton which is supposedly getting killed
[04:02] <menn0> wallyworld: there must be some other aspect
[04:03] <wallyworld> otp, sec
[04:03] <menn0> wallyworld: no worries
[04:03] <menn0> wallyworld: i'll sort it out
[04:04] <wallyworld> ty
[08:51] <menn0> wallyworld: I have a fix for the problem
[08:51] <menn0> wallyworld: it's way past my EOD and i'm not working tomorrow so I'm writing up notes for thumper so he can write some tests around it and land it
[08:52] <menn0> wallyworld: we're not out of the woods yet though... post upgrade about 50% of the units on this env have hook failures
[08:52] <menn0> wallyworld: will send an email
[08:52] <wallyworld> menn0: thanks for sticking with it, i'll talk to tim tomorrow
[09:48] <mup> Bug #1471231 changed: debugLogDBIntSuite teardown fails <ci> <unit-tests> <juju-core db-log:Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471231>
[12:46] <perrito666> morning
[12:59] <alexisb> morning perrito666
[13:04] <perrito666> there is something about anual medical check that makes me feel old
[13:04]  * perrito666 sighs and makes appt
[13:17] <anastasiamac> perrito666: wait until u get kids... :)
[13:18] <ashipika> anastasiamac: +1
[13:25] <sinzui> perrito666: katco I cannot find the on-call reviewer callendar. Any clues?
[13:25] <katco> sinzui: it's just the juju team calendar
[13:35] <sinzui> katco: Anymore clue's. Canconal's Google Calenendar tells me none of the juju email address have a calendar?
[13:41] <sinzui> wwitzel3: Can you review http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2140/
[13:42] <natefinch> man, coming back from vacation is always so hard
[13:43] <katco> natefinch: o/ hope you had a good time
[13:43] <natefinch> katco: amazing time.  Could have used another week (and a raise to be able to afford it ;)
[13:44] <TheMue> katco: he had, seen it on Instagram ;)
[13:44] <katco> natefinch: lol
[13:44] <katco> TheMue: :)
[13:44] <wwitzel3> sinzui: taking a look now
[13:45] <TheMue> natefinch: looked like a lot of fun in a cool environment
[13:45] <natefinch> TheMue: it was great.  We did it last year in a house half this size... the extra interior space and nicer beach made this year even better.
[13:45] <natefinch> (and 50% more expensive... but worth it)
[13:46] <katco> ericsnow: wwitzel3: natefinch: we have 2 meetings overlapping. just meet in moonstone
[13:46] <wwitzel3> sinzui: just the dep updates? I was able to update to them and build juju and bootstrap, so combined with the tests you did, LGTM.
[13:46] <TheMue> natefinch: your familiy growed, you need the space
[13:46] <TheMue> ;)
[13:47] <natefinch> TheMue: yeah, I gotta stop doing thing
[13:47] <TheMue> natefinch: cute family, no need to stop
[13:47] <sinzui> wwitzel3: it is, I just wanted a dev to ask the hard questions about consequences. Thank you. This is the compararable branch for master. http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2141/
[13:49] <natefinch> TheMue: haha... the number of bedrooms in my house, seats in my car, and lack of hair on my head say otherwise ;)
[13:49] <TheMue> natefinch: hmm, ok, there are constraints, yep :D
[13:58] <perrito666> sinzui: tim and wayne
[13:58] <sinzui> thank you perrito666 katco and fwereade sorted me out
[13:58] <natefinch> katco: I didn't check my calendar until now and just realized we have the iteration meeting nowish.  I have to take my daughter to a swim lesson in about 15 minutes... can we push the iteration meeting back a couple hours?  Sorry for the late notice... I forgot we'd pushed the iteration meeting to today.
[13:59] <katco> natefinch: not really, i am taking the middle of today off to catch up on some things. you need to start checking your calendar dude
[14:00] <natefinch> katco: I know, I know.  Totally my fault. I'm sorry.
[16:37] <cherylj> Is there someone who owns the CentOS support within Juju?
[16:40] <cherylj> alexisb: ^^
[16:40] <cherylj> (I figure you'd be the most likely to know :)
[16:41] <alexisb> gsamfira and team did the work
[17:06] <natefinch> katco, wwitzel3, ericsnow_afk: how goes?
[17:06] <wwitzel3> natefinch: good, I'm just working on wpm bugs
[17:08] <bogdanteleaga> cherylj: I might be able to answer questions
[17:20] <katco> natefinch: pick up some of the bugs in the backlog if you don't mind
[17:20] <katco> wwitzel3: please tag the bug you're working on and move to actively working
[17:21] <natefinch> katco: will do
[17:21] <wwitzel3> katco: thanks
[17:46] <natefinch> katco: FYI: one bug was fixed by someone else, one was marked invalid, and one seems to be assigned to gsamfira, though that was 5 days ago, so I'm not sure if he's actually working on it.  The other bug in the backlog is being worked on by wwitzel3.  I could do my "clean up assigned bugs" task, unless you think there's something more important
[19:48] <alexisb> natefinch, pending katco's arrival, there are plenty of bugs against 1.25 you can tackle :)
[19:48] <alexisb> lots and lots
[19:48] <natefinch> alexisb: heh ok
[19:56] <mup> Bug #1424892 changed: rsyslog-gnutls is not installed when enable-os-refresh-update is false <cloud-init> <logging> <juju-core:Fix Released by natefinch> <juju-core 1.24:Fix Released by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1424892>
[20:12] <natefinch> mgz: don't suppose you're around?
[20:16] <natefinch> sinzui: is my CI blockers bookmark incorrect?  It shows no blockers, but trying to merge some code to main returns "does not match fixes-blah"  My bookmark, for reference: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.importance%3Alist=CRITICAL&field.tag=ci+regression+&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[20:53] <sinzui> natefinch: The status changes about 6 months ago, and the tags 3 months ago: look at this
[20:53] <sinzui> natefinch: The status changes about 6 months ago, and the tags 3 months ago: look at this
[20:54] <sinzui> natefinch: The status changes about 6 months ago, and the tags 3 months ago: look at this
[20:54] <sinzui> natefinch: The status changes about 6 months ago, and the tags 3 months ago: look at this
[20:54] <sinzui> natefinch: The status changes about 6 months ago, and the tags 3 months ago: look at this
[20:54] <sinzui> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.importance%3Alist=CRITICAL&field.tag=ci+blocker+&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[20:54] <sinzui> natefinch: CI is testing the fixes now
[20:55] <sinzui> looks the the osx change is good too
[20:56] <natefinch> sinzui: mind if I add that link to the blocking bugs wiki page that Martin made today?  That way, hopefully it'll get updated if the requirements change
[20:57] <sinzui> natefinch: go ahead
[20:59] <natefinch> done
[20:59] <natefinch> thanks sinzui
[21:08] <mup> Bug #1473461 changed: OSX/darwin builds fail: undefined: password.EnsureJujudPassword <blocker> <ci> <osx> <regression> <juju-core:Fix Released by bteleaga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473461>
[21:33] <thumper> ah mah gard, so many emails
[21:35] <thumper> fwereade: I'm here
[21:44] <fwereade> thumper, heyhey
[21:44] <fwereade> thumper, not so critical really, I think it's just JujuConnSuite being shite
[21:44] <fwereade> thumper, and I've convinced myself that it's an INFO log anyway so it's moot
[21:45] <fwereade> thumper, but if, in your Copious Free Time, you were to come up with a clean way of separating the logging (that wasn't just "replace JujuConnSuite"), that would be awesome
[21:51] <thumper> fwereade: there is a way...
[21:52]  * fwereade is all ears
[21:53] <thumper> the base suite brings in a logging sute
[21:53] <thumper> the logging suite captures the logs
[21:53] <thumper> and replaces the default logger (stderr) with one that goes to gocheck
[21:54] <thumper> so... wondering what the problem is
[21:54] <fwereade> thumper, well, me too, I'm vaguely assuming that because JCS has everything running all at once there's some global logging setup somewhere that dumps the state stuff into the stderr of the testing.Context
[21:55] <fwereade> thumper, I imagine the cmd.Logger or whatever it is has a hand in it?
[21:55] <thumper> IIRC, there was some change to the default loggers with the log roller
[21:55] <fwereade> thumper, and it's not wrong to be sending all those logs to stdout
[21:55] <thumper> but I've not looked deeply
[21:56] <fwereade> thumper, it's just that it's happening in the same process, which is out of the ordinary, and so gets logged with everything else
[21:56] <fwereade> thumper, I guess the answer with that specific test to to run it against an api stub and check it doesn't log when nicely isolated
[21:58] <thumper> :)
[22:36] <davecheney> \o/
[22:49] <thumper> hi davecheney
[22:50] <thumper> davecheney: how'd the conference go for you?
[22:51] <davecheney> thumper: excellently
[22:51] <davecheney> i guess that means I beat axw back to austalia
[23:13] <bradm> is there any way to see what jujud is doing, load wise?  we've got one constantly sitting between 100% - 150% cpu, and the logs aren't particularly illuminating - doesn't look too busy at all
[23:20] <mup> Bug #1446871 changed: Unit hooks fail on windows if PATH is uppercase <ci> <hooks> <windows> <juju-core:Fix Released by natefinch> <juju-core 1.24:Fix Released by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1446871>
[23:43] <thumper> bradm: best suggestion is to change the log settings to debug
[23:43] <thumper> bradm: or are they at debug already?
[23:44]  * thumper takes a deep breath and resolves conflicts between master and jes-cli branch
[23:56] <bradm> thumper: we have a 20G log file, so either we're on debug or its very very verbose for info, but we'll check.
[23:57] <bradm> yes, we're definately on debug
[23:57] <bradm> we're seeing a lot about ClaimLeadership


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