[08:22] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:20] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:26] <StevenR> hrrmph. Still my LTS boxes won't prompt for 14.04.1
[13:13] <penguin42> there must be some debug you can extract to find out why
[13:28] <maps|wrk> penguin42,  hi all
[13:36] <penguin42> hey maps|wrk
[14:12] <shauno> it's not broken.  they won't prompt because http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts doesn't contain an entry for 14.04 yet
[14:13] <shauno> .. bug 1344762
[14:16] <andrews_> hello all, wonder if I could get a little help with upgrading?  I am trying to upgrade from 12.04 though dont have a DVD and the software update wont let me - it gives an error downloading the upgrade.  Sudo apt-get upgrade from the prompt gives me a load of errors with the repositories.  Is there a simple way round all this?
[14:17] <maps|wrk> sup penguin42
[14:18] <mapps> what errors
[14:18] <andrews_> this is what I get when I try........W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ precise/partner i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_partner_binary-i386_Packages)
[14:18] <andrews_> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://packages.medibuntu.org/ precise/free i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.medibuntu.org_dists_precise_free_binary-i386_Packages)
[14:18] <andrews_> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://packages.medibuntu.org/ precise/non-free i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.medibuntu.org_dists_precise_non-free_binary-i386_Packages)
[14:18] <andrews_> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[14:18] <mapps> paste bin it
[14:18] <mapps> do sudo apt-get upgrade | pastebinit
[14:20] <andrews_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8008238/
[14:23] <mapps> will have a look
[14:24] <andrews_> this is what I get when I run the update..... http://paste.ubuntu.com/8008274/
[14:25] <penguin42> those are only warnings
[14:25] <penguin42> ah
[14:25] <penguin42> andrews_: It looks like you've got a duff line in one of your apt config files
[14:26] <penguin42> actually a few breakages
[14:26] <andrews_> yeah about 5 near the end by the looks of it
[14:26] <penguin42> andrews_: First, packages.medibuntu.org seems to be down
[14:26] <andrews_> Have no idea how to fix those, I know my way round ubuntu in a very basic sense however thats a bit beyond me
[14:27] <penguin42> andrews_: The easiest way is to disable the source; did you add some sources some how?
[14:27] <andrews_> how does one clean these up?
[14:27] <andrews_> not sure
[14:27] <andrews_> dont think I have
[14:27] <andrews_> I can get some of the sources though in the update manager cant I
[14:27] <penguin42> is this oriignally a medibunto install rather than a plain ubuntu?
[14:28] <penguin42> andrews_: You've also got a corrupted line somewhere - Err http://packages precise/non-free Sources
[14:29] <andrews_> its just a normal ubuntu install.  I added the medibuntu lines a while back to get dvd codecs
[14:29] <penguin42> andrews_: Have you edited or added entries in /etc/apt by hand at sometime in the past?
[14:30] <andrews_> might have  penguin42, yes.  will have been a while ago though
[14:33] <penguin42> andrews_: OK, so look for any line in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d for the medibuntu and remove it, and look for a line that is something like      deb http://packages  precise        without anything else after the packages - because that line is broken
[14:35] <foobarry> i just read that the next version of chrome will allow linux usrs to watch netflix :-|
[14:35] <foobarry> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc1ODY
[14:35] <foobarry> no wine faffing around
[14:39] <andrews_> Ok - done that.  Still no joy, can I copy and paste my sources.list to pastebinit from the command line?
[14:40] <penguin42> possibly if you have pastebinit installed
[14:41] <andrews_> I do....
[14:41] <andrews_> Rather than me copying the contents of sources.list into here!
[14:45] <penguin42> just pastebinit filename
[14:46] <andrews_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8008392/
[14:47] <andrews_> will also send the latest version of the errors I now get from sudo apt-get update
[14:47] <andrews_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8008403/
[14:48] <penguin42> so have you looked for the files in /etc/apt.sources.d ?
[14:48] <andrews_> ah....no.  will do that now
[14:51] <andrews_> hmm, theres a sources.list.d directory, which contains a what looks to be individual files market medibuntu.  is that what you mean?
[14:52] <penguin42> yeh, each of the files in there is added to the /etc/apt.sources.list
[14:55] <andrews_> cool - how do I get rid of them?
[14:59] <mapps> just remove them
[15:00] <andrews_> wont let me...theres no option to delete
[15:01] <penguin42> option? In what?
[15:37] <andrews_> just went to places and computer and navigated to the folder from there
[15:44] <penguin42> oh, should be able to delete I think on the right-click menu - I'm more of a command line person
[19:14] <foobarry> evening
[19:14] <popey> yo
[19:35] <bigcalm> What's happening, kids?
[19:36] <Myrtti> apparently there was a power cut in Cambs
[19:38]  * bigcalm hugs his power cables
[19:42] <diddledan> bigcalm: how can one insulated cable bring so much happiness?
[19:55] <foobarry> reminds me i need to re-set the mouse trap
[19:56] <foobarry> i've caught 3 since i've been setting traps
[20:36] <Azelphur> I may or may not have just invented the best prank of all time, and installed it on a friends VPS. https://home.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7b58a5d13bdb1077cbbe8a9c0640bbb0
[20:45] <foobarry> heh
[20:46] <bigcalm> Cute
[20:46] <Azelphur> python one liner in the bashrc haha
[20:46] <Azelphur> now to wait...
[20:47] <foobarry> has anyone had experience of scanning magazines?
[20:47] <foobarry> about to come into possession of a large number of mags i would like to scan
[20:47] <foobarry> for posterity
[20:47] <diddledan> Azelphur: how do you get bash to intercept every execution request?
[20:48] <Azelphur> diddledan: http://pastebin.com/XkerPnRX in bashrc :)
[20:48] <diddledan> Azelphur: I know how to intercept things like cd by creating a funciton of the same name as the builtin
[20:48] <diddledan> aah
[20:48] <diddledan> nifty
[20:49] <Azelphur> my amazing python one liner \o/
[20:49]  * bigcalm ponders installing on work servers
[20:50] <Azelphur> haha
[20:50] <shauno> that seems like overkill?  you can do that in pure bash :)
[20:50] <diddledan> heh
[20:50] <shauno> oh, you are .. I just do it a very different way
[20:50] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:52] <shauno> bash has a var PROMPT_COMMAND.  if you set that to a function, it'll run efore PS1 prints
[20:52] <Azelphur> I see
[20:54] <shauno> but now that I see yours I take back the overkill .. they'd end up the same either way.  the bash function would still be full of python :)
[20:54] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:34] <ali1234> so netflix... is all the stuff it shows you before you sign up actually available in the UK?
[23:37] <daftykins> never used it, but there's a trial so why not find out? :>
[23:47] <ali1234> well it looks like it's still a bit tricky to make it work on linux even if chrome supports it now, kind of
[23:48] <ali1234> so i thought i'd ask before i go to the trouble


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[01:58] <synack_> hey guys im using xubuntu for like over a month now
[01:58] <synack_> love it
[01:59] <synack_> but, i want to tweak the WM a little , how can i add features like "snap to" left/right from unity ?
[01:59] <synack_> im not even sure what WM xubuntu is using atm
[01:59] <synack_> wiki says it is XFWM4
[01:59] <synack_> is that accurate?
[02:00] <synack_> id like to tweak the "alt-tab" interface and add the ability to snap windows to the left
[02:00] <synack_> or right
[02:00] <synack_> without upgrading the entire WM
[02:00] <synack_> if possible
[09:49] <Marzatta> hi, just installed 12.04 on a packardbell with nvidia G105M, and got this blue tint in youtube videos
[09:50] <Marzata> any idea?
[10:04] <Sysi> Marzata: disable hardware acceleration
[10:22] <Marzata> Sysi: will try ...
[10:27] <Mannix> hi
[10:28] <Mannix> can somebody help to fix sound problems?
[10:28] <baizon> dont know if you dont describe what your problem is
[10:29] <Mannix> I have xubuntu 11.10. Sound worked well. But recently it broke: now only sound in Skype works, but not on browser
[10:29] <Mannix> once it worked on mpg321
[10:29] <Mannix> but it's not working on Clementine
[10:29] <baizon> check pavucontrol
[10:29] <baizon> maybe its muted
[10:30] <baizon> because skype controls the volume
[10:30] <Mannix> I do not have it
[10:30] <Mannix> what package?
[10:30] <Mannix> what muted?
[10:30] <Mannix> Man, I say Skype is working!
[10:30] <Mannix> how it can be muted?
[10:31] <baizon> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/PulseAudio
[10:31] <Mannix> I'll try to install pavucontrol
[10:31] <baizon> do that
[10:32] <Mannix> oh, btw, I am using USB headset
[10:33] <Mannix> if I connect old-style headphones - it works
[10:33] <Mannix> but with cracking sound
[10:34] <baizon> install pavucontrol and check the output device
[10:35] <Mannix> I've installed pavucontrol
[10:35] <Mannix> what should I check?
[10:35] <baizon> output device
[10:35] <baizon> and sound volume
[10:36] <Mannix> there are 3 output devices: RV710/730 Digital Audio HDMI, ClearChat Pro USB analog stereo, Internal audio Analog Stereo
[10:37] <Mannix> ok, now I see sound is going to Internal Audio
[10:37] <Mannix> but why?
[10:38] <Mannix> nothing is connected to it
[10:38] <Mannix> ha, I've turned off Internal Audio :)
[10:38] <Mannix> and now it works
[10:39] <Mannix> baizon, thank you very much for helping
[10:39] <baizon> np :)=
[10:39] <baizon> :)
[10:40] <Mannix> great :)
[12:22] <uskerine> hi, i would like to manually setup the dns servers
[12:22] <uskerine> but in resolv.conf there is nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:22] <uskerine> why and how can i change it -using configuration files-?
[12:32] <Fudge> cant u just change it or setup your modem to use other nameservers or network manager
[12:49] <ruien> no, ubuntu 12.04 handles DNS differently (http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/) - that page gives a decent overview
[12:52]  * uskerine wonders by things have to change every year
[12:53] <uskerine> why
[12:55] <uskerine> thanks ruien i will have a look, now the problem is that i am trying to change it for the thin clients  and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/networks/interfaces lacks any configuration for eth0, it is only applied for loopback
[12:57] <ruien> hmm, well, I've never actually made any changes, but the resolv.conf syntax is essentially just an IP address. You can't just add the relevant IP in the "tail" part of resolv.conf.d ?
[12:58] <uskerine> ruien i am not following you
[12:58] <uskerine> i have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/
[12:58] <uskerine> directory
[12:58] <ruien> right
[12:58] <uskerine> can I apply there a given dns server ?
[12:58] <uskerine> i have head
[12:59] <uskerine> base original
[12:59] <uskerine> and tail
[12:59] <ruien> yeah, in tail
[12:59] <uskerine> which is asymlink to original
[12:59] <ruien> as per the documentation which I referenced, "tail: Any entry in tail is appended at the end of the resulting resolv.conf"
[12:59] <ruien> that sounds like what you want, but I could be wrong. I am not exactly clear on your requirements
[12:59] <uskerine> for some reason my thin clients lack the dns resolution
[13:00] <uskerine> and what i see is that /etc/resolv.conf points to nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:00] <uskerine> i launch browser in the thin client, i can browse by typing IP address bt not by typing domain names
[13:00] <uskerine> so i am trying to fix it up by hardcoding dns servers somewhere
[13:00] <uskerine> but that somewhere is different from where it was in the 90's
[13:00] <uskerine> :)
[13:03] <LightningBaron> my favorite distro Xubuntu :)
[13:03] <zamanan> hello
[13:04] <zamanan> I am having a problem logging in to xubuntu
[13:04] <zamanan> it seems that there is a loop
[13:04] <zamanan> and I keep falling back to the login screen
[13:04] <zamanan> Tried a couple of fixes
[13:04] <zamanan> but didnt work
[13:04] <zamanan> anyone to help me around?
[13:06] <ruien> uskerine: what happens if you just add your DNS server to the "head" file so it shows up at the front of resolv.conf automatically? I'm not sure when it is regenerated but it seems something you could force to happen on boot even if it's a hacky solution like adding DNS regeneration to rc.local
[13:07] <ruien> zamanan: are you able to log in via a terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F1) ?
[13:08] <zamanan> ruien, yes I can
[13:09] <LightningBaron> zamanan:  i also encountered that problem before i just press my force restart and then boom, all came back to normal.
[13:09] <zamanan> have restarted a couple of times LightningBaron, didnt help
[13:10] <ruien> is there anything weird in your .bash_profile or .bashrc ?
[13:10] <zamanan> gimme a sec
[13:10] <zamanan> coming back to try another fix
[13:13] <zamanan> bah
[13:13] <zamanan> not worked
[13:14] <zamanan> how can I disable the graphical login?
[14:48] <xubuntu354> Im running xubuntu and it tends to get all slow when i have 3 or more applications up and alot of the time it will freeze completely, is there any way to fix this?
[14:50] <holstein> xubuntu354: add more ram? .. are you having realistic expectations for the hardware?
[14:50] <xubuntu354> How much more?
[14:51] <holstein> i mean, as much as you can, or want to i say... the more the merrier is a good rule for memory
[14:51] <holstein> xubuntu354: are you having realistic expectations of the hardware you have?
[14:57] <xubuntu354> just to be able to have abiword and firefox open
[14:58] <xubuntu354> i dont think thats too much for 512mb, right?
[15:00] <bazhang> try lubuntu with such little ram
[15:01] <ruien> firefox uses more ram than you think
[15:01] <bazhang> way more
[15:02] <xubuntu354> does chrome use less?
[15:02] <ochosi> theoretically yes
[15:02] <ochosi> at least it feels snappier with less ram
[15:02] <ochosi> but if you open a few tabs...
[15:02] <ochosi> (same with midori btw)
[15:03] <xubuntu354> which browser would you recomend?
[15:04] <ruien> i'd say chrome, but as ochosi said, it's no magic bullet. You'll still need to make sure you don't open too many tabs at once
[15:04] <ruien> i'd put the memory monitor in your Xfce status bar
[15:04] <ruien> System Load Monitor -> Memory Monitor
[15:09] <xubuntu354> i cannot find memory monitor at all
[15:10] <ruien> are you editing your Xfce panels?
[15:10] <ruien> right-click a panel: Panel -> Panel Preferences
[15:10] <ruien> "Items" tab, then add the System Load Monitor
[15:11] <ruien> then edit the settings and enable the memory monitor part. I keep just the bar showing how much is used
[15:13] <xubuntu354> thanks, i got it
[15:13] <ruien> make sure to add plenty of swap space if you're on 512 (unless you like the OOM killer!) but swap is really slow
[15:14] <uskerine> does xubuntu use LDM or LightDM?
[15:15] <ruien> lightdm
[15:18] <ICWeiner> I'm in CLI and I just did "tar -c * Music" and now I'm getting all sorts of funky output. I was putting Music in the file, I think...
[15:19] <uskerine> thanks ruien
[15:21] <ICWeiner> Can someone help me?
[16:22] <ICWeiner> how can I zip a group of files in the CLI?
[16:25] <gordonjcp> ICWeiner: zip
[16:25] <ICWeiner> exact command?
[16:26] <gordonjcp> if you type just "zip" you'll get comprehensive help
[16:26] <gordonjcp> I can't tell you exactly what to do since I don't really know what you want to do
[16:26] <gordonjcp> for historical reasons the Unix-y way is to use "tarballs" which is a compressed archive file
[16:27] <gordonjcp> you know how you often see .tar.gz ?
[16:28] <ICWeiner> I just want to make a zip of everything in my current directory.
[16:29] <gordonjcp> did you read the instructions that just "zip" on its own prints out?
[16:30] <gordonjcp> "zip [zipfile list]"
[16:30] <gordonjcp> there's a gotcha though, you really want "zip -r zipfile list"
[16:30] <gordonjcp> -r means recurse down subdirectories
[16:31] <laite> also, 'man zip'
[17:16] <xubuntu239> hello
[17:17] <knome> hullo
[17:17] <xubuntu239> I am new user xubuntu, change password and after 5minutes forgot, I am now in administrator
[17:17] <knome> administrator what?
[17:18] <xubuntu239> How to reset administrator password?
[17:18] <knome> you should not enable the root account - is that what you did, or do you just want to change your own password?
[17:19] <ICWeiner> Can I use CLI to chat on here? It'd be so awesome to be able to chat w/o leaving it.
[17:19] <knome> ICWeiner, feel free to
[17:20] <ICWeiner> I mean is there a way...
[17:20] <xubuntu239> I change my own password, then i tray use new password, but seems, now need to reset administrator password.
[17:20] <knome> ICWeiner, sure :) there are various clients, like irssi
[17:20] <ICWeiner> For use within CLI?
[17:20] <knome> ICWeiner, yes
[17:21] <ICWeiner> cool. how to get?
[17:21] <knome> xubuntu239, in ubuntu, the "administrator password" is your own password
[17:21] <knome> ICWeiner, sudo apt-get install irssi
[17:24] <logankemp> how to change my name?
[17:25] <ICWeiner> I'm online as logankemp
[17:25] <ICWeiner> that's my computer name...
[17:25] <knome> /help is a good guide, but simply; /nick newname
[17:25] <ICWeiner> kk thx
[17:25] <xubuntu239> Konome I changed the administrator password shortly after xubutnu installed, now I try to use the new password, but it is wrong, or is there any way how  to reset
[17:25] <DFrostedWang> That's better.
[17:25] <ICWeiner> lol
[17:26] <knome> xubuntu239, again, what are you referring to with "administrator password"? did you enable the root account?
[17:26] <knome> DFrostedWang, let's try to keep it family friendly - please change your nick to something else
[17:27] <DFrostedWang> No one complained about ICWeiner...
[17:27] <xubuntu239> I don't creat root account
[17:27] <knome> xubuntu239, in that case, as i said, the "administrator password" is your own password
[17:28] <knome> ICWeiner, please change that nick too then.
[17:30] <ICWeiner> It's PG-13, though!
[17:30] <knome> ICWeiner, no excuses.
[17:30] <ICWeiner> It's a good excuse, though!
[17:31] <knome> ICWeiner, i'm saying this the last time, change the nick.
[17:36] <xubuntu239> knome i seems enter new password and forgot it, i dont, want turn of commputer, becose i cant login back in xubuntu. There is way how to cahange password to new if i forget old admiistrator password. Thanks
[17:46] <xubuntu675> Hey everybody.  Just wanted to say that Xubuntu looks like what I'm looking for, however, my broadcom wireless card doesn't have the firmware installed.  Can I just download ndiswrapper from the software center and it work like that?  (installing xubuntu 12.04 from a usb stick with a wired connection as we speak)
[17:50] <xubuntu675> anyone?
[17:51] <astraljava> xubuntu675: Yes you can. There is also some documentation on wireless troubleshooting if that's not enough to fix it.
[17:51] <astraljava> xubuntu675: ...and this channel, of course. :)
[17:52] <Igirloservm> HEI WHO CAN HELP WHITH USERS problems
[17:53] <xubuntu675> astraljava: Yeah, I've seen some documentation that doesn't use ndiswrapper, but it was for regular ubuntu and not updated for 12.04, wasn't sure if it would fit with xubuntu.
[17:55] <astraljava> xubuntu675: Well, I'm not sure which documentation you're referring to, but in general, you can install stuff in software center, and see if it works or not. If not, then stop by in here, but be prepared to give a full description of what you did, and most importantly _how_ it is not working for you.
[17:56] <xubuntu675> astraljava: Yeah, I was just trying to get ahead of the game while everything installed.
[17:56] <astraljava> xubuntu675: Yeah ok, good to find information beforehand. :)
[17:57] <astraljava> If only most of the users were like that. :)
[17:58] <xubuntu675> astraljava: I'm not completely new, I've dabbled with ubuntu since jaunty, however, I currently have puppy installed and it's architecture is so radically different I needed to go back to ubuntu.
[18:19] <milen8204> My chrome crashes? Any one can say why ? :D
[21:47] <xubuntu210> Hello!
[21:48] <xubuntu210> anyone knows if there is compiz like stadnalone windows picker?
[21:48] <xubuntu210> because i cannot use compiz because of my weak graphic card!
[21:49] <xubuntu210> actually not because of the graphic card but because of ati radeon non supported driver
[21:53] <crond> xubuntu210, you can just turn off desktop effects
[21:54] <gordonjcp> ye
[21:54] <gordonjcp> seems crazy to enable them if you're going for a fast, lean, stripped-down machine
[22:05] <xubuntu210> they are already disabled
[22:06] <xubuntu210> but i find usefull switching between windows using hotspots with mouse
[22:07] <xubuntu210> can i use compiz without effects enabled?
[22:08] <xubuntu210> i didn't try to install it because my driver is really bad friend with linux. its ati x1270.
[22:09] <xubuntu210> lack of support
[22:10] <xubuntu210> thats why i am trying to see if there is standalone application to switch windows, like macos expose!
[22:11] <crond> alt_tab ?
[22:11] <xubuntu210> works but its not that easy to use
[22:12] <xubuntu210> when having a lot of windows open


[00:01] <Daviey> AlanBell, If you are bored... grep for request.params._theme ... that needs replicating to sections that call request.params.username  (not quite sure if username or userId is the one we care about)
[00:01] <Daviey> :)
[00:01] <Daviey> I need to walk away from the pooter.
[00:01] <AlanBell> me too, tomorrow seems to have just happened
[00:02] <AlanBell> jono: jcastro: did you see http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/ I need to update it with some new buzzwords
[00:02] <jono> AlanBell, haha
[00:03] <AlanBell> clickable words and they are different if you refresh
[00:03] <jono> AlanBell, you missed off "Crisp" and "Clean"
[00:03] <jono> :-)
[00:03] <AlanBell> they are in the list!
[00:03] <Daviey> Chasm ?
[00:04] <AlanBell> yup, it is there
[00:04] <AlanBell> as is "windicator"
[00:04] <Daviey> banana hammock ?
[00:04] <jono> haha
[00:05] <AlanBell> bacon is in there too somewhere
[00:05] <AlanBell> need to take out Florida and add Budapest
[00:06] <jono> :-)
[01:06] <jono> jcastro, http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=157036
[01:40] <mhall119> Daviey: different vhosts can have difference aliases, correct?
[01:51] <mhall119> dyed easter eggs with the kids today.  Mine: http://imagebin.org/149159
[01:52] <mhall119> back: http://imagebin.org/149160
[01:53] <mhall119> Michelle's: http://imagebin.org/149161
[04:32] <nigelb> morning
[04:33] <nigelb> and good nes for today, I just bricked the package management on my new laptop
[04:33] <nigelb> sigh
[04:33] <pleia2> why'd you go and do that?
[04:33] <nigelb> pleia2: ran the installation script for work. It did some crazy mess
[04:34] <nigelb> (of note, I wrote the installation script)
[04:34] <pleia2> doh
[04:34] <nigelb> I'm thinking its because I'm running 10.10 and work laptop is running 10.04
[04:35] <nigelb> s/work laptop/the laptop I wrote the script on/
[05:12] <mhall119> holy moly I'm tired
[05:22] <paultag> hey guys.
[05:23] <Technoviking> evening
[05:23] <paultag> Technoviking: wjat
[05:23] <paultag> Technoviking: what's new?
[05:23] <paultag> damn keyboard.
[05:23] <Technoviking> not much
[05:24] <Technoviking> on irc instead on finishing paper due tomorrow
[05:24] <paultag> Technoviking: know the feeling, for sure
[05:25] <paultag> Technoviking: got stood up by a girl tonight. That was fun.
[05:25] <paultag> first time that's ever happened
[05:25] <paultag> wow, why am I saying this on IRC
[05:28] <Technoviking> heh
[05:28] <Technoviking> later, I do need to finish before I hit the sack:)
[05:29] <paultag> Technoviking: night, good luck!
[05:48] <nigelb> mhall119: the bad new is, its only tuesday. good news -> long weekend ahead :)
[06:33] <jussi> Morning peoples!
[06:34] <jussi> jono: ping?
[06:35] <jono> hey jussi
[06:35] <jussi> jono: if you would, Id love it if you could retweet this super tweet? http://twitter.com/#!/JustMeAmber/status/60406017237856256
[06:35] <jussi> especially as its music related :)
[06:36] <jussi> (if you havent already - I didnt actually look)
[06:40] <jono> jussi, you just want to use my twitter account? ;-)
[06:41] <jono> done :-)
[06:41] <jussi> jono: :D
[06:41] <jussi> thanks
[06:44] <nigelb> morning jussi, evening jono
[06:44] <jono> hey nigelb
[06:45] <nigelb> Phew, reintstall ubuntu after bricking it :p
[06:46] <nigelb> +ed
[07:42] <duanedesign> morning all
[07:43] <jussi> nigelb: "bricking it" ?
[08:03] <nigelb> jussi: I installed my work thing on it, broke a bunch of stuff :\
[08:03] <nigelb> jussi: (I wrote the install script myself :p)
[08:03] <nigelb> so now I have ot fix laptop and install script
[08:06] <jussi> hehe
[08:09] <duanedesign> nigelb: oh no your new laptop?
[08:17] <nigelb> duanedesign: buhaha, already reinstalled Ubuntu, re-running the setup script to see if it bricks again ;)
[08:25] <duanedesign> good luck!
[08:25] <duanedesign> nigelb: is this a script you wrote?
[08:26] <duanedesign> i have noticed you have been messing around with BASH lately
[08:28] <nigelb> duanedesign: yup, it is
[08:29] <nigelb> I've been messing around massively. There was an existing script, which I was asked to fix, but it was broke, so I rewrote the whole thing :-)
[08:34] <dpm> good morning all
[08:52] <dholbach> good morning
[09:01] <nigelb> hey dpm, hello dholbach
[09:02] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[09:04] <kim0> morning all
[09:04] <kim0> nigelb hey
[09:04] <nigelb> hello kim0
[09:05] <dholbach> hey kim0
[09:05] <kim0> dholbach: hi there
[09:13] <duanedesign> 'lo kim0 dholbach
[09:13] <dholbach> hey duanedesign
[09:14] <kim0> duanedesign: hello o/
[09:15]  * duanedesign just spent the lst hour deleting spam from the forums
[09:17] <kim0> ew
[09:56] <huats> morning
[10:03] <duanedesign> hello huats
[10:03] <huats> hello duanedesign
[10:03] <huats> I have seen your email
[10:03] <huats> I plan to answer it later this week :)
[10:04] <duanedesign> huats: great. Thank you
[11:57] <czajkowski> addcitive tune :/
[11:57] <czajkowski> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Wy7gRGgeA CODE MONKEY
[12:11] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:13] <popey> pip pip!
[12:20] <czajkowski> i really do wonder about you popey at times
[12:21] <popey> Welcome to the club.
[12:21] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/popey/+filebug
[12:24] <cjohnston> Should I file a bug to ensure that all nuts and bolts in popey's head are tightened properly?
[12:25] <jussi> awww: There are currently no bugs filed against popey.
[12:26]  * jussi resists making jokes abour the driver of popey packages. :D
[12:59] <mhall119> morning
[13:05] <salgado> morning mhall119
[13:05]  * popey read jussi's comment as "popey pancakes", now I want pancakes
[13:06] <popey> but not popey pancakes
[13:06] <Pici> Theres a joke there, but I'm not touching it.
[13:07] <jussi> I want pancakes too! but I cant eat flour :(
[13:07] <Pici> Gluten intolerance?
[13:10] <mhall119> czajkowski: awesome video
[13:11] <jussi> Pici: no, low card diet currently
[13:11] <jussi> carb
[13:17] <mhall119> salgado: your merge proposal was approved, and landed in trunk
[13:17] <mhall119> well, landed in light-django-theme anyway
[13:17] <nigelb> morning mhall119
[13:17] <mhall119> you'll need to have IS do a pull from within the ubuntu_website directory
[13:18] <mhall119> but I think we need some extra work in summit code to make the new theme work right
[13:18] <mhall119> cjohnston might be able to answer that though
[13:18] <salgado> mhall119, superb, thanks!  I already have changes to the summit code to give it a linaro look
[13:19] <salgado> mhall119, are you thinking of anything specific that we're missing?  I was able to get it to use the new theme just by using separate media (css/images) files
[13:20] <salgado> under the new apache vhost I pointed the existing /media and /ubuntu-website/media aliases to the newly created directories with our own media
[13:30] <akgraner> jcastro, I have a silly question...What do I put on the UDS Registration under "Who is your attendance requested by?"  would that be Canonical since I'm sponsored? or other?
[13:31] <Pendulum> jcastro: I've noticed questions similar to akgraner's all over the place (even more confusing for people who are self-sponsoring). Maybe it should be reworded, removed, or made non-required in the future?
[13:32] <mhall119> salgado: the latest theme adds the white "mothership" bar at the top, and things like login should be moved up there
[13:32] <mhall119> we did it for loco-directory, but I don't think we've done it for summit yet
[13:33] <akgraner> I haven't finished filling out the reason for attending yet...let's see if I have enough room in this box..
[13:34] <salgado> mhall119, I think it's already done; at least I see a white stripe at the top, with login links at the left and other links at the right
[13:34] <salgado> oh, no, login is not there yet
[13:34] <salgado> just the username, favorites and logout
[13:40] <jussi> Pendulum: akgraner: Hrm, I didnt notice it - where is this? did I forget to register somewhere?
[13:41] <akgraner> jussi - https://forms.canonical.com/udsreg/
[13:43] <jussi> ooh, I hadnt noticed that - I just did the LP form. thanks
[13:43] <akgraner> and I hate the dd/mm/yy layout...it confuses the heck out of me
[13:43] <akgraner> I am so used to mm/dd/yy format...:-/
[13:44] <akgraner> no wonder my calendars get screwed up :-)
[13:45] <jussi> akgraner: mm/dd/yyyy seems so illogical to me? surely it should go from smallest to biggest?
[13:46] <akgraner> hehe - only when I was in the military did I use day month year but always written as 20 APR 11 for example
[13:47] <akgraner> every other place was until now has been Month, Day, Year...:-)  but I adapt and overcome...
[13:48] <Pendulum> akgraner: most of the world outside the US does dd/mm/yy (or day month year)
[13:49] <akgraner> Pendulum, yeah I know..:-)
[13:49] <akgraner> I'm just venting about how it confuses me...;-p
[13:49] <jussi> hrm, Im staying for a extra day... does that qualify for another event? why are they even asking me this?
[13:51] <akgraner> ok so in the t-shirt information box it asks for male or female...I'd love to put female but they are so not true to size...and you it's a required field...
[13:51] <akgraner> sigh
[13:52] <akgraner> and wouldn't you know it's a required field (I meant)
[13:52] <mhall119> salgado: yeah, so we need to fix that in summit's code before we roll out the new theme
[13:52] <jussi> akgraner: put something in the comments?
[13:53] <mhall119> jussi: no, it should go from largest to smallest
[13:53] <mhall119> so you can sort it like a string and it still sorts correctly
[13:53] <jussi> mhall119: either or, but all mixed up doesnt seem correct...
[13:54] <mhall119> jussi: yup, but that's still how they teach all of us over here
[13:54] <mhall119> just like how we still haven't converted to metric
[13:54] <jussi> yeah...
[13:55] <akgraner> jussi I only see comments available under accommodations and if I put something there about t-shirts I am sure someone will say "why did she comment about t-shirts under the accommodation area"
[13:56] <mhall119> akgraner: you can comment about why you commented about t-shifts under the accommodations area
[13:56] <akgraner> :-)
[13:57] <jussi> hehe
[13:57] <akgraner> also why does it say "Please note that you should make your own arrangements for accommodation."
[13:57] <mhall119> akgraner: this form, is it on summit.ubuntu.com, or somewhere else?
[13:57] <jussi> https://forms.canonical.com/udsreg/
[13:57] <akgraner> https://forms.canonical.com/udsreg/
[13:57] <mhall119> thought so
[13:57] <jussi> should be linked from summit, methinks
[13:58] <akgraner> ok so if you put Canonical as who requested you the you don't get that make you own arrangements statement
[13:58] <akgraner> if you put other the add sponsored you will get that statement
[13:59] <mhall119> I guess because Canonical can't guarantee that they'll be able to accommodate people who come for other companys
[14:01] <Pendulum> mhall119: I think the real problem is what do people who aren't coming from a company and aren't sponsored put?
[14:02] <mhall119> Pendulum: IIRC, you can put "Other" and write-in
[14:02] <Pendulum> yeah, they're just not sure what to write in
[14:02] <Pendulum> (so far I've heard of people putting their LoCo and 'community')
[14:04] <mhall119> Pendulum: heck, put your own name if you're self-sponsored
[14:06] <jcastro> yeah
[14:06] <jcastro> I don't know why the form says that
[14:06] <Technoviking> dholbach, popey, pleia2: ping
[14:07] <popey> Technoviking: pong
[14:08] <Technoviking> I'm going ahead and putting the Sounder on moderation
[14:08] <popey> its done already
[14:08] <popey> dholbach: did it this morning after sending his mail
[14:08] <jcastro> hey I saw some guy's blog yesterday about sounder
[14:08] <popey> oh?
[14:09] <jcastro> and why it was anti community to shut it down
[14:09] <jcastro> yeah I was on my phone though
[14:09] <jcastro> let me check
[14:10] <Technoviking> I was on the fence about shutting down sounder, but after last night
[14:10] <jcastro> http://cajuntechie.com/2011/04/canonical-takes-another-step-against.html
[14:10] <jcastro> what happened last night?
[14:11] <mhall119> jcastro: everything Canonical does is anti-community, didn't you know?  That's why Ubuntu has the smallest community of any distro
[14:12] <jcastro> heh
[14:12] <popey> jcastro: the community council were douchebags for shutting down sounder
[14:12] <akgraner> mhall119, if you put other - the a read statement shows up and says you have to make your own accommodations
[14:12] <akgraner> red even
[14:12] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2011-April/016541.html
[14:12] <jcastro> popey: is this anywhere or just private mails?
[14:12] <popey> all on the list
[14:12] <akgraner> which can be confusing if you are sponsored...:-)
[14:12] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2011-April/016511.html
[14:13] <mhall119> akgraner: agreed, I think sponsored people are supposed to list canonical, since that's who's sponsoring them
[14:13] <jcastro> oh man
[14:13] <jcastro> this is "awesome"
[14:13] <jcastro> I would suggest a "Vote of No Confidence" in the current Ubuntu
[14:13] <jcastro> Community leadership.  The current CC needs to be removed and a new
[14:13] <jcastro> one voted in.  They're proven they cannot be trusted with the burden
[14:13] <jcastro> of leadership.
[14:13] <akgraner> I know but the wording is confusing..
[14:13] <Pici> o.O
[14:14] <akgraner> since most sponsored people requested the sponsorship not the other way around
[14:14] <mhall119> akgraner: I see them as two different thing
[14:15] <mhall119> you request "sponsorship" from Canonical
[14:15] <akgraner> nods
[14:15] <Pendulum> a better wording would probably be 'Who is sponsoring you?' with an opition for 'self'
[14:15] <jcastro> the form is like to get your name and stuff
[14:15] <mhall119> but, by sponoring you, Canonical is requesting that you attend the "summit"
[14:15] <akgraner> But the forms asks "who requested you to attend"
[14:15] <jcastro> I don't think it matters what you put in there
[14:16] <akgraner> jcastro, yep it does.. b/c if you put other when you get to the hotel info it will tell you that you have to make your own arrangements for accommodations
[14:16] <mhall119> akgraner: put another way, you don't ask canonical if you can go to UDS
[14:16] <akgraner> mhall119, I'm not arguing I'm just saying it was confusing
[14:16] <akgraner> that's ll
[14:16] <akgraner> all
[14:17] <mhall119> well that we agree on
[14:17] <akgraner> and if it confused me I am sure it confused others
[14:17] <mhall119> people are destined to be confused beings
[14:17] <mhall119> or something like that
[14:17] <akgraner> (not that I am not the measuring stick for confusion)
[14:17] <mhall119> doctormo: where's the akgraner quote link?
[14:18] <Pendulum> akgraner: I know it has because you're at least the 4th person I've seen ask that question (and in fact the 2nd today)
[14:18] <akgraner> I just thought I would bring it up...
[14:19] <mhall119> wow popey, did you drown this guy's puppy or something?
[14:19] <mhall119> it's like reading sounder emails was the only joy he had left in life
[14:19] <Pici> Heres another one: http://putt1ck.blogspot.com/2011/04/open-letter-to-ubuntu-community-council.html
[14:19] <akgraner> Technoviking, we've pulled all reference to the sounder mailing list from the Official Book...
[14:20] <popey> o_O
[14:22] <vish> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2011-April/016559.html "I would suggest a "Vote of No Confidence" in the current Ubuntu Community leadership . The current CC needs to be removed and a new one voted in." haha! who is gonna vote, i dont think that most of the people commenting there have a vote ! ;p
[14:24] <vish> i guess, the truth is also out: CC is Canonical Council ;)
[14:26] <jcastro> hey you can't blame canonical for this, blame popey!
[14:26] <mhall119> yeah, the community should elect a handful of representatives to represent us, instead of allowing some "community council" to do whatever the please
[14:26] <vish>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/popey/+filebug
[14:26] <akgraner> Let's make today - International Blame Popey Day
[14:28] <mhall119> popey: this is kind of like how, in the USA, people like to talk about the politicians that "the people" keep electing are not properly representing "the people"
[14:29] <dpm> free software ftw! After not being able to run unity in my laptop since the latest xorg upgrade, I've just noticed the 3D support in nouveau works like a charm
[14:29] <mhall119> every year we have a "replace them all with new people" campaign that ends up with 80% or more of the same people being re-elected
[14:29]  * dpm trows nvidia to the bin and starts enjoying a projector-friendly laptop
[14:30] <vish> dpm: now, how do we blame that on popey ?!
[14:30] <vish> *something* is wrong there.. ;)
[14:31] <dpm> :)
[14:33] <Technoviking> the FC just got this email: Thank you very much for getting us our independence from the clutches of Microsoft.
[14:33] <Technoviking> :)
[14:33] <Technoviking> akgraner: thanks
[14:35] <akgraner> my response to all requests today I've decided will be, "No, I don't have your pancake mix! See popey if you need further assistance!" ;-)
[14:35] <Pici> I feel like starting all the emails I write today, regardless the recipient, with "An open letter to Alan Pope"
[14:36] <akgraner> haha - see popey everyone here <3's you!
[14:36] <jcastro> I just think it's awesome that "blame popey" has so much mindshare that people actually are blaming popey
[14:36] <jcastro> "I'm getting fat, ugh, I hate you popey."

[14:37] <jcastro> I have a confession to make, popey was the shooter on the grassy knoll
[14:37] <vish> lmao!!
[14:37] <akgraner> hahaha
[14:37] <popey> I like the word "knoll"
[14:37] <popey> I dont know why though.
[14:37] <popey> Elvis killed JFK!
[14:37] <Technoviking> jcastro: I'm pretty sure I can find poster from the 1960's that clearly state Blame Castro:)
[14:38] <mhall119> popey is D.B.Cooper
[14:38] <popey> bet there's already a conspiracy about that
[14:39]  * dpm hugs popey
[14:39] <popey> :)
[14:39] <jcastro> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2011-April/016512.html
[14:39] <jcastro> this one is the best so far
[14:39]  * mhall119 blames popey for hugs and other forms of affection
[14:39] <jcastro> I mean, planet of the apes reference and everything
[14:39] <mhall119> and rainbows, rainbows are all popey's fault
[14:40] <popey> I HATE YOU ALL
[14:40] <popey> :D
[14:40] <Technoviking> heh
[14:40]  * nigelb hugs popey
[14:40]  * Pendulum hugs popey
[14:40] <nigelb> quick
[14:40] <nigelb> EVERYONE HUG popey
[14:40] <JFo> what an interesting finding.... Reggaeton music makes haters sound less interesting.
[14:40] <JFo> :)
[14:41]  * JFo hugs popey
[14:41] <mhall119> lol
[14:41] <JFo> and squeeze him and call him George
[14:41] <JFo> and stroke his bill
[14:41] <mhall119> JFo: quick, sing the sounder emails in Reggaeton
[14:41] <JFo> that is what I have been reading mhall119 :-D
[14:42] <JFo> it just happened to fit with popey's statement :-)
[14:42] <jcastro> I will miss sounder
[14:42] <jcastro> it was my first ever post to an ubuntu list
[14:42] <mhall119> I think I've heard about sounder maybe once before
[14:42] <JFo> I never read it... until today
[14:42] <jcastro> sounder the idea, not sounder as it is today
[14:42] <JFo> jcastro, agreed on that
[14:43] <nigelb> All I've heard of sounder is popey ranting about how it should be shut down :p
[14:44] <akgraner> dapper drake, Ubuntu 6.06 was the first LTS server release right?
[14:45] <mhall119> um, was there a server version of 6.06?
[14:45] <mhall119> I know it was the first LTS
[14:45] <jcastro> I think it was all one thing back then
[14:45] <JFo> yeah, I don't see a Dapper server kernel
[14:45] <nigelb> mhall119: we just EOD'd on the server edition
[14:45] <akgraner> ok just making sure - it's before my time ;-p
[14:45] <nigelb> mhall119: well, we will.
[14:48] <dholbach> jcastro, WOW
[14:48] <nigelb> jcastro: I <3 item g
[14:48] <JFo> with Ahnuld on it
[14:49] <jcastro> dholbach: I was just looking at old archives. jerome gontancgo!
[14:49] <jcastro> dholbach: daniel robitaille
[14:49] <jcastro> dholbach: I love you bro.
[14:49] <jcastro> *hugs*
[14:49]  * dholbach hugs jcastro back :)
[14:50] <popey> yeah, i went back looking at some posts from 2004 recently
[14:50] <popey> jcastro had the first post iirc
[14:50] <jcastro> I did
[14:51] <dholbach> what the people in this discussion really want to say is: we're old
[14:51] <jcastro> if someone ever says I don't care about the list then I have total trump ability.
[14:51] <jcastro> I also have a forum account older than most people
[14:52] <jcastro> day it launched iirc
[14:52] <nigelb> dholbach: hahaha, nice perception :p
[14:54] <dholbach> pad.lv is just awesome
[14:54] <Technoviking> yeah, that is a given. My son now listen to music I don't understand:)
[14:54] <salgado> Daviey, mhall119, so, we'll need a copy of the 'media' and 'ubuntu_website/media' dirs for the linaro website; would you prefer it as part of the summit code base (simplifies deployment) or in a separate similar to how the light-django-theme is used?  the size of both dirs is around 400kiB
[14:55] <mhall119> salgado: it should be separate, IMO, since it'll mostly be copied from light-django-theme anyway, not summit
[14:56] <vish> hmm, actually reading the meeting logs, popey wanted to discuss this sounder again at a convenient time too, and dholbach's announcement blog has positive comment too..  but i guess everyone just likes blaming popey  :D
[14:56] <salgado> mhall119, well, the 'media' dir is copied from summit.  maybe what's copied from summit should live in the summit codebase and what's not goes in a separate branch?
[14:57] <mhall119> salgado: oh? I thought most of it was in ubuntu_website/
[14:57] <mhall119> the parts that you'd be changing anyway
[14:57] <salgado> I see a lot of stuff under summit/media/, but maybe it's no longer used?
[14:58] <mhall119> salgado: or it's used for things like the schedule table
[14:58] <salgado> oh, yeah, up to now I've only changed stuff that comes from ubuntu_website
[14:58] <mhall119> everything for the theme should be in ubuntu_website/media
[14:59] <salgado> ok, cool, then I probably don't need a copy of media/
[15:14] <dholbach> kim0, jcastro, dpm: I assume there's no team call today?
[15:14] <jcastro> I don't know if he was leaving today or not
[15:14] <dpm> dholbach, I thought there were. Is jono not leaving tomorrow?
[15:14] <dholbach> ohok
[15:15] <dpm> yeah, he's off tomorrow, but not today
[15:15] <dholbach> ok ok
[15:15] <dpm> dholbach, so no party yet ;-)
[15:27] <salgado> mhall119, do you know what revision of light-django-theme we're using on summit.u.c?
[15:27] <mhall119> salgado: not specifically, but it's several versions old at least
[15:27] <mhall119> Daviey: can you check on that?
[15:29] <cjohnston> mhall119: im working on fixing it right now so that the theme can be upgraded
[15:34] <mhall119> \o/
[15:43] <salgado> Daviey, mhall119, does https://code.launchpad.net/~salgado/summit/linaro/+merge/58503 seem reasonable to you?
[15:44] <mhall119> salgado: why not just define a separate summit for linaro?/
[15:45] <salgado> mhall119, separate summit?
[15:46] <mhall119> yeah, have UDS-O and then Linaro-something
[15:47] <mhall119> that way you can define your own rooms, schedule, meetings, attendees, etc
[15:47] <mhall119> tracks
[15:47] <mhall119> there's no technical reason I know of for trying to do it in the uds-o summit record
[15:48] <salgado> mhall119, if we do that we'd lose the ability of avoiding clashes for required participants when scheduling meetings, wouldn't we?
[15:48] <salgado> there may be other reasons, though; let me check
[15:48] <salgado> some people are required participants in both linaro and ubuntu sessions
[15:49] <mhall119> salgado: I'm not sure, but we could make the schedule conflicts check based only on date, not summit
[15:51] <salgado> mhall119, we also don't have our own rooms
[15:51] <mhall119> salgado: hmmmm.....
[15:52] <mhall119> we can probably change it to allow a room to be defined for more than one summit...but that might take extra work
[15:52] <salgado> and people would have to register as attending both events
[15:52] <salgado> and there may be other issues
[15:54] <jcastro> no no no!
[15:54] <jcastro> no seperate summits!
[15:54] <mhall119> I don't see dual attendence as bad
[15:54] <mhall119> jcastro: why not?
[15:54] <jcastro> we'd add a bunch of complication with people's sessions
[15:54] <jcastro> because people need to be able to do both
[15:54] <mhall119> they would be able to do both
[15:54] <mhall119> and we can update schedule conflict checks to account for it
[15:54] <jcastro> conflict resolution for both systems?
[15:55] <mhall119> both summits, same system
[15:55] <mhall119> by 'separate summit' I mean create a new 'linaro-o' summit entry in summit.ubuntu.com
[15:57] <jcastro> right
[15:57] <jcastro> ugh, no way, we'd have to copy the plenaries over every time there's a change?
[15:57] <jcastro> and what about blueprints?
[15:58] <jcastro> and then we'd have to teach them how to admin summit and make the slots, etc.
[15:58] <jcastro> we only have like 3 weeks left
[15:58] <mhall119> I'd just rather make summit properly handle multiple simultaneous events, rather than continuing to add hacks everywhere to just support one additional event
[15:58] <jcastro> true, but we don't have time for that
[15:58] <jcastro> linaro only started planning like this week
[15:58] <mhall119> true, but can we hold off on these new hacks until we have time to do it right?
[15:58] <jcastro> so we're trying to make it all fit
[15:59] <jcastro> salgado: james_w: do you guys have work time allocated post O for summit improvements for UDS?
[15:59] <salgado> mhall119, we're making sure upper management talks to us earlier next time, so that we can do things properly
[15:59] <james_w> jcastro, not yet, but we will
[15:59] <jcastro> mhall119: dunno, they have hard requirements, I say we put it in, and then at UDS you guys chat and figure out what we need to do for P
[16:00] <jcastro> mhall119: at first I was like "oh we'll just make another summit in the system"
[16:00] <jcastro> then I sat in this one call and joey and I figured out that that wouldn't work
[16:00] <mhall119> it would work, it just wouldn't be convenient
[16:00] <mhall119> cause you'd have to duplicate rooms and schedules and you wouldn't get conflict checks
[16:01] <jcastro> right
[16:01] <mhall119> but all of those things we can (and, IMO, should) add
[16:01] <jcastro> I agree
[16:01] <jcastro> just not 3 weeks before
[16:01] <mhall119> in case next time we have UDS + Linary + KDE at the same time and place
[16:01] <mhall119> Linaro, gah, I don't know why I keep mistyping that
[16:01] <jcastro> tbh I still don't like that we're touching summit too much, bu Daviey reassures me his code is gold.
[16:03] <dholbach> jcastro, dpm, kim0: hum............
[16:04] <dholbach> where's Bacon?
[16:04] <jcastro> dholbach: does that mean we can go drink beer?
[16:05] <dholbach> jcastro, I guess ;-)
[16:05] <mhall119> yay!
[16:05] <dpm> party!
[16:05] <jcastro> dholbach: I think we should take this time to reflect on what we can improve within ourselves
[16:06] <dholbach> jcastro, good idea
[16:08] <cjohnston> I can't wait to have some beer!
[16:12] <maco> Sarah Jane has joined the Brigadier
[16:12] <popey> That's it! I'm shutting down this IRC channel!
[16:12] <dholbach> popey, thanks
[16:12] <popey> :)
[16:13] <dpm> now mr. popey, I'd like to send you a letter before you do that!
[16:13] <popey> Oh goody.
[16:13] <popey> Is it pink?
[16:13] <popey> Please say it's pink!
[16:13] <dpm> it comes in a multicoloured envelope
[16:14] <popey> Double rainbow!?
[16:14] <dpm> of course, plus unicorns
[16:14]  * dpm stops
[16:14] <dpm> :)
[16:15] <dholbach> dpm, I'm sure you're on popey's blacklist now
[16:15] <czajkowski> for jono http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/04/17/for-that-special-someone/
[16:16] <popey> ooooooo
[16:17] <nigelb> popey is back on facebook?
[16:17] <popey> He is.
[16:17] <nigelb> dpm: with ponies :p
[16:17] <czajkowski> can we rewind back to april 1st and restart the month please
[16:23] <nigelb> bwahahaha https://twitter.com/#!/lauracowen/status/60724783779807232
[16:25] <popey> :)
[16:32] <Technoviking> popey: where are the forums?
[16:32] <Technoviking> :)
[16:38] <dpm> dholbach, jcastro, kim0, as it seems we're not going to have the team call, I'll leave a bit earlier today, as I need to catch a train. Have a nice Easter break!. (I'll still be idling here for a bit, though)
[16:38] <kim0> enjoy
[16:38] <dholbach> dpm, you took tomorrow off?
[16:39] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, it's bank holiday here
[16:39] <dholbach> ahh
[16:39] <dholbach> nice
[16:39] <dholbach> enjoy!
[16:39] <dholbach> I'll still be here tomorrow, but I call it a day in a bit too
[16:39] <dpm> thanks, and the same for everyone else having a break, have a nice one!
[16:40] <jcastro> I'll be on travel!
[16:40] <jcastro> so I will see you next week!
[16:40] <dpm> cool, see ya!
[16:40]  * dpm starts packing
[16:47] <dholbach> alright, I'm out of here too
[16:47] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day - see you tomorrow - HUGS
[16:48] <cjohnston> o/
[16:49] <cjohnston> jcastro: what does the "register interest" in tracks do/what is it for
[16:49] <cjohnston> I know what it means, I guess how is it used by you guys
[16:54] <jcastro> I don't remember what that's for
[17:34] <paultag> hey jcastro, you have a sense of humor, aye?
[17:35] <paultag> doctormo: you too
[17:36]  * pleia2 sends hugs around
[17:36]  * paultag hugs pleia2
[17:36] <pleia2> thanks to everyone who handled sounder, it feels very good to have it gone
[17:40] <pleia2> dpm: nhandler said you were having trouble logging into the classroom blog? I'm around if you want to work on getting it sorted
[17:41] <dpm> pleia2, I could log in fine. I just wanted to edit an article and I didn't have write permissions (only view)
[17:42] <pleia2> dpm: ah ok, that's because you're an author rather than administrator, so you can add new posts but you can't edit other peoples
[17:43] <dpm> pleia2, that's fine, I don't need to be an admin
[17:43] <pleia2> ok :)
[17:43] <pleia2> I updated the last post to link to your day 5 summary
[17:43] <dpm> pleia2, great, thanks!
[17:56] <akgraner> paultag you around?  Ohio Linux Fest is interested in an UbuCon this year...
[17:57] <jcastro> paultag: I have a sense of humor about everything
[17:57] <jcastro> except ohio
[18:01] <paultag> akgraner: heyya amber :)
[18:01] <paultag> akgraner: awesome!!!!!
[18:02] <paultag> jcastro: I was thinking of doing a new tumblr blog (they let you have more then one)
[18:02] <akgraner> paultag, who is the POC I can send them too?
[18:02] <paultag> jcastro: I'm thinking of making fun of Ubuntu once a week in an onion style mini-article or image or something -- I call it "The Eggplant"
[18:02] <paultag> akgraner: jacob is one of them, he's the only POC who's in the wider community
[18:03] <paultag> akgraner: there are two others, want me to email you them (with them CC'd) ?
[18:03] <akgraner> How about I email you..and you can email them?
[18:03] <paultag> akgraner: sure :)
[18:03] <paultag> jcastro: want to help? I want to get a few @ubuntu'ers who can help make fun of Ubuntu
[18:04] <akgraner> ok once you get the email...I've punted it to you all to do with as you see fit :-)
[18:04] <paultag> akgraner: righto! Cheers!
[18:04] <akgraner> paultag,  thanks!
[18:05] <paultag> akgraner: thank you!
[18:05] <akgraner> jcastro, you'll see 4 or 5 emails hit your inbox shortly...not spamming you just finalizing emails to folks about open week and keeping you in the loop
[18:06] <jcastro> \o/
[18:06] <jcastro> don't worry I have an akgraner label in gmail
[18:06] <jcastro> (haha just kidding, I don't)
[18:06] <mhall119> paultag: I'd offer to join you, but it's probably frowned upon
[18:06] <paultag> mhall119: nah, just do it as your ubuntu side :)
[18:06] <akgraner> hehe pete says he sets my emails to him to /dev/null :-/
[18:06] <paultag> mhall119: it'll be in good taste
[18:08] <paultag> as far as satire can handle good taste, I guesss
[18:11] <mhall119> satire always tastes good to me
[18:14] <paultag> right?
[20:12] <salgado> Daviey, another thing we were asked to do for summit.l.o is to omit the non-linaro tracks from the main summit page.  I'd like to find a way to do that in the least intrusive way possible but I can't think of anything that's significantly better than http://paste.ubuntu.com/596653/.  do you have any ideas on how to do that?
[20:36] <Daviey> salgado, i guess +        tracks = tracks.filter(slug__contains='track1')   s/track1/liaro ?
[20:36] <Daviey> linaro*
[20:37] <salgado> yeah, definitely; I changed to track1 just to test against the sample db
[20:38] <Daviey> salgado, i'm not a fan of $co-located-event stuff being part of the core code.. i'd rather it was a setting.. but TBH, it is the simplest approach
[20:38] <Daviey> salgado, that won't collapse rooms with no linaro sessions in tho?
[20:39] <Daviey> salgado, considering we now have 17 rooms IIRC, should the ubuntu display hide linaro sessions?
[20:39] <james_w> Daviey, a setting how?
[20:39] <Daviey> jcastro, you might have thoughts.
[20:39] <james_w> "only_show_tracks_containing = linaro"?
[20:39] <Daviey> james_w, a python list of settings.COLOCATEDEVENTS.
[20:39] <jcastro> what are we trying to do?
[20:40] <Daviey> jcastro, should the ubuntu display hide linaro sessions? (hiding rooms with only linaro sessions)....
[20:40] <salgado> Daviey, I'd rather have this properly designed to avoid special casing linaro in multiple places, but yeah, at this point this is probably the least bad options
[20:40] <jcastro> no
[20:40] <jcastro> it's just one schedule for everybody
[20:40] <Daviey> jcastro,  concerned we have 17 rooms AIUI, and the display is going to be difficult
[20:40] <jcastro> though iirc linaro sessions had a little logo or something
[20:41] <salgado> yes, they still have a different logo and border
[20:41] <james_w> I'm not sure the rooms would reduce any if we did that given that we aren't keeping Linaro to specific rooms
[20:41] <jcastro> Daviey: it's only 2 more than last time
[20:41] <salgado> good point; it worked for Linaro last time because the majority of the sessions were non-linaro
[20:41] <jcastro> (and plenary room isn't on the schedule)
[20:42] <jcastro> the dedicated linaro rooms aren't on the schedule
[20:42] <Daviey> ah, good point.
[20:43] <Daviey> jcastro, Are you sure on that last point?
[20:43] <jcastro> yes
[20:43] <jcastro> they're not scheduled
[20:43] <jcastro> they just say "linaro so and so will be in this room all day"
[20:43] <jcastro> linaro tracks have access to these 16 rooms
[20:43] <jcastro> + they have like 4 dedicated rooms for hackfests
[20:44] <jcastro> and some amount of like suites for meetings and stuff
[20:44] <Daviey> salgado, If that diff is functional, i would say go for it.  There is no point burning too much of your time in perfection, and I don't think we have time to be too picky.  Doesn't look inefficient code..
[20:48] <salgado> Daviey, agreed, but I can at least mark these places with XXXs and file a bug so that hopefully we don't forget them after UDS, like we did last time
[20:52] <Daviey> salgado, XXX = grep -inr linaro summit/ :)
[20:54] <Daviey> One reason i'm not keep on specific string mentions is that one other group uses summit for their event...  it would be unfair for us to refuse their patches in trunk which relate to a specific string we use.
[20:54] <Daviey> s/keep/keen
[20:55] <Daviey> salgado, The idea i have is overcomplexing the issue, and no real gain... so just merge it :)
[20:57] <salgado> Daviey, I'm not keen on this approach either, and I really hope to clean this up and come up with a proper solution which allows multiple summits to share rooms and stuff, before the next UDS
[20:59] <Daviey> salgado, Sounds good to me!
[22:27] <cjohnston> Daviey: you still around?
[22:44] <Daviey> cjohnston, no
[22:45] <akgraner> paultag, you have an email...moose is cc'd as she will be the POC on the OLF side of things...
[22:47] <paultag> akgraner: sent mail back as you poked me :)
[22:47] <paultag> akgraner: rock on, thanks so much
[22:47] <akgraner> paultag, you're welcome....
[22:48] <paultag> akgraner: we're both now off the hook :)
[22:48] <paultag> ^5 for delegating :)
[22:48] <akgraner> paultag, woot woot - I learned that from jcastro....
[22:48] <paultag> :)
[22:49] <paultag> so my license expired four days ago
[22:49] <paultag> so I dressed way up to hide the fact I'm actually this super huge terrorist
[22:49] <paultag> and now I'm stuck in the airport wearing a tie
[22:49] <paultag> I hate this so much, I need to change
[22:50] <paultag> I feel like such a choch
[22:50] <akgraner> hahaha...dude if you put on a suit and tie to fly  you deserve to be uncomfortable
[22:51] <paultag> akgraner: my license is expired!!!!!!
[22:51] <akgraner> ok...you still deserve it ;-P
[22:52] <paultag> akgraner: I had zero valid forms of ODID
[22:52] <paultag> so I just need to snaz my way through
[22:52] <paultag> hehehe
[22:52] <paultag> goddamn lag in the airport is rough
[22:52] <akgraner> ahhh
[22:52] <paultag> yeah, I think I'll change in the airport bathroom
[22:52] <akgraner> I lost my ID once...they let me fly but it was an ordeal...
[22:52] <paultag> I wonder if that's considered weird
[22:52] <paultag> akgraner: yeah, they checked my prostate
[22:55] <akgraner> paultag, haha (trying my best not so say anything inappropriate to that last remark - it's a difficult test of my willpower)
[22:55] <paultag> yeah. I'm doing this thang. down with the shirt!
[22:55] <paultag> akgraner: :P
[22:57] <paultag> oh wow, so much better
[22:58] <paultag> feeling good now
[23:03] <paultag> OK, off to my flight. One love
[23:30] <JanC> paultag: my dad once had that happen *because* he had a valid passport...
[23:31] <JanC> (it so happened that he had a visum for Columbia in it...)
[23:31] <JanC> after that he "lost" his passport and applied for a new one  :P
[23:32] <JanC> Colombia


[00:14] <barry> harlowja: when's the last time the test suite was actually run on py26? ;)
[00:14] <harlowja> hmmm, whenever i ran it, lol
[00:15] <barry> yeah, i think you'd be surprised.  but hey, i think i can get it working for you
[00:15] <harlowja> if u want me to; thats fine also
[00:15] <barry> (essentially, lots are not py26 compatible right now)
[00:15] <barry> harlowja: let me see how far i can get
[00:15] <harlowja> k
[00:15] <harlowja> hmmm, lots not?
[00:15] <harlowja> intersting
[00:16] <barry> e.g. '...{}...'.format(blah)
[00:16] <harlowja> ah, ya
[00:16] <harlowja> don't use that, ha
[00:16] <barry> right.  it's all over the place.  easy fix
[00:16] <harlowja> kk
[00:16] <barry> probably just harder getting a working 2.6 env ;)
[00:17] <harlowja> :
[00:17] <harlowja> :)
[00:17] <harlowja> compile 2.6 shove it somewhere?
[00:17] <harlowja> make alt-install i think usually works
[00:17] <harlowja> or is it altinstall, can't remember
[00:18] <harlowja> thats what i'd do
[00:18] <barry> yep, but then i had to create a 2.7 virtualenv, install the upstream virtualenv in that, and then create *another* virtualenv w/2.6.  ubuntu's virtualenv doesn't work with 2.6 even altinstalled
[00:18] <barry> which i suppose isn't surprising given how long ago ubuntu even supported 2.6
[00:19] <harlowja> ya; probably i'd then tell the made python2.6 to execute https://bootstrap.pypa.io/get-pip.py and then get 2.6 virtualenv and then go from there
[00:19] <harlowja> but whatever works for u
[00:19] <barry> yep
[02:13] <smoser> hm.. wrt 2.6, barry i saw (and it "seemed to work") http://askubuntu.com/questions/125342/how-can-i-install-python-2-6-on-12-04
[02:14] <smoser> the 'deadsnakes' ppa has 2.3 -> 3.4
[13:21] <m01> m01
[13:21] <m01> oops
[15:51] <barry> smoser: i guess harlowja isn't online atm.  my porting branch is done.  let me know if there's anything else you need from me.  i'd love to get it landed!
[15:51] <smoser> barry, di you port oauth ?
[15:51] <smoser> and THANK YOU!.
[15:51] <barry> smoser: i did indeed :)
[15:52] <smoser> rock.star.
[15:52] <barry> :)
[18:49] <harlowja> barry added some review comments on that big-one
[18:49] <barry> harlowja: looking
[18:52] <harlowja> alright, bb, heading over to vmware for nova-mid-cycle meetup stuffs
[19:28] <harlowja> ok backs
[23:49] <harlowja> barry thx; looks pretty good to me
[23:49] <barry> harlowja: \o/
[23:49] <harlowja> lets see if anyone else wants to look it over :-P
[23:49] <barry> maybe smoser?
[23:57] <harlowja> ya, likely, ha


[02:24] <artnay> hey guys, how are you?
[02:24] <artnay> I finally managed to get one computer functional, two to go... ;)
[02:58] <Tm_T> artnay: yay!
[03:47] <artnay> how come unity-no-red isn't proposed as the default metacity theme? have you tried it?
[07:15] <derek_> Hi
[10:00] <mhz> http://handprint.com/HP/WCL/color2.html


[15:35] <Peter> Has anyone had hwe-22.04 just fail to boot?
[15:35] <Peter> When I set the kernel to hwe-22.04 I get the following in my lgos, in 3.3 and now 3.4:
[15:35] <Peter> Apr 16 15:30:30 maas3 sh[386582]: 2024-04-16 15:30:30 provisioningserver.rackdservices.http: [info] /images/ubuntu/amd64/no-such-kernel/focal/no-such-image/boot-kernel requested by <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:36] <Peter> yet .
[15:36] <Peter> root@maas3:/var/lib/maas/boot-resources/current/ubuntu/amd64/hwe-22.04/jammy/stable# ls
[15:36] <Peter> boot-initrd  boot-kernel  squashfs
[15:41] <Peter> When I edit the GRUB line that MAAS is poviding it literally says "images/ubuntu/amd64/no-such-kernel/focal/no-such-image/boot-initrd
[15:42] <Peter> https://github.com/canonical/maas/blob/master/src/maasserver/rpc/boot.py#L347
[15:45] <Peter> hwe-20.04 works


[05:50] <k1ng> hi
[05:50] <k1ng> ii want to copy everything except upload dir and config.php with rsync. how do i do that?
[05:53] <blkperl> k1ng: `man rsync` search exclude
[06:10] <lvmer> k1ng: ooooo lmk if you find a good tutorial for rsync or make progress. I need to find a consistent way to backup my server too. xD
[06:11] <k1ng> i actually did:)
[06:11] <k1ng> rsync -avn --exclude=upload --exclude=config.php --exclude=fixer.sh --exclude=apfixer.php --exclude=HN9200FU_<IP_ADDRESS>.zip --exclude=backup --exclude=news.txt --exclude=images/logo.png /home/backup/sims /root/test
[06:15] <lvmer> k1ng: xD
[06:24] <blkperl> lvmer: why not use backup software? like bacula or amanda
[11:50] <jibel> smoser, the user 'ubuntu' is not added to sudoers in latest raring cloud images, is it known?
[11:59] <Daviey> jibel: is it added to admin?
[13:05] <jibel> Daviey, it is a member of adm but not admin
[13:09] <Daviey> jibel: nice
[13:13] <jibel> bug 1080685 , feel free to reassign to the right package
[13:30] <Kartagis> hi
[13:30] <Kartagis> should I be worried about this? warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/trivial-rewrite pid 18501 exit status 1
[13:33] <smoser> jibel, :-( no. i'll take a look. thanks for raising.
[13:48] <Akendo> Heloo Guys
[13:48] <Akendo> Hello Guys
[13:49] <Akendo> I'm using OpenStack Folsom from the Ubuntu Cloud Archive, i found and fixed a bug and want to comit this. How can i do this?
[13:50] <jamespage> Akendo, hi!
[13:50] <Akendo> Hello jamespage
[13:50] <jamespage> Akendo, is there a handy bug report for this problem that we can use?
[13:51] <Akendo> That is what I'm looking for
[13:51] <jamespage> Akendo, OK - so whats the problem you have found?
[13:52] <Akendo> There is a problem in glance, creating or uploading via RBD (RADOS Block Device) to Ceph.
[13:52] <Kartagis> hi. should I be worried about this? warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/trivial-rewrite pid 18501 exit status 1
[13:52] <Akendo> When i create a  Image it's raising a excepction
[13:52] <jamespage> Akendo, stack trace would be helpful
[13:53] <Akendo> 2012-11-19 14:32:45 ERROR glance.api.v1.images [3dfbce68-310a-4fab-8bac-ff1b133d7ea9 None None] Traceback (most recent call last):
[13:53] <Akendo>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/glance/api/v1/images.py", line 437, in _upload
[13:53] <Akendo>     image_meta['size'])
[13:53] <Akendo>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/glance/store/rbd.py", line 234, in add
[13:53] <Akendo>     image_size, order)
[13:53] <Akendo>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/glance/store/rbd.py", line 205, in _create_image
[13:53] <Akendo>     librbd.create(ioctx, name, size, order, old_format=False)
[13:53] <Akendo> TypeError: create() got an unexpected keyword argument 'old_format'
[13:53] <jamespage> Akendo, pastebin is better
[13:53] <Akendo> Oh ;-)
[13:54] <jamespage> Akendo, which version of ceph are you using?
[13:54] <Akendo> The Question I have first: Does i can be, that this 'old_format' is requiert by a newer version of Ceph?
[13:54] <Akendo> Stable Version, 'old_format'
[13:54] <Akendo> Stable Version, ceph  0.41-1ubuntu2.1
[13:54]  * jamespage looks
[13:56] <jamespage> Akendo, yes - it does; 0.48 onwards will do the trick;
[13:56] <Akendo> hm..
[13:56] <jamespage> thats currently in-flight to land in the folsom cloud archive - lemme see if I can nudge it along
[13:57] <Akendo> We
[13:57] <jamespage> Daviey, ^^ can we get ceph out of folsom-proposed and into folsom-updates please
[13:57] <david_> I am using public/private keys to log into my server. I want to see in auth.log which key is being used for each login. Anybody know what parameter is needed in sshd_config ?
[13:57] <Akendo> I want to use the Stable release, but If I'm right there will relese a new version soon, right?
[13:57] <jamespage> Akendo, 0.48 is the current stable release
[13:57] <Akendo> Ah
[13:58] <Akendo> But
[13:58] <jamespage> bobtail is due based on 0.55 of ceph - a few weeks off yet
[13:58] <jamespage> that won't be put into the cloud-archive for Folsom; but will make it for Grizzly
[13:58] <Daviey> jamespage: yes
[13:58] <Akendo> So, I'm using an outdated Version?
[13:58] <jamespage> Akendo, basically yes
[13:58] <Akendo> hm...
[13:59] <jamespage> Akendo, this is one of the reasons we made the call to put ceph into the cloud archive as well
[13:59] <Akendo> We have this package out of the stable ceph repo
[13:59] <Akendo> So
[13:59] <Akendo> I guess that is the problem
[14:00] <jamespage> Akendo, which 'stable ceph repo' are you referring to?
[14:00] <Akendo> http://ceph.com/docs/master/install/debian/#add-stable-release-packages
[14:00] <Akendo> Like there do it in this documenation
[14:01] <jamespage> Akendo, the version you quoted is the version from the main Ubuntu archive in precise
[14:01] <Akendo> hm..
[14:01] <Akendo> Strange...
[14:02] <Akendo> ok, just updating this
[14:02] <jamespage> Akendo, this will all shake out once the new version of ceph lands in the folsom cloud archive - that will push it up to 0.48.2 which is compatible with folsom
[14:03] <jamespage> Daviey, thanks
[14:03] <Akendo> So there is no bug report to commit ;-)
[14:03] <Akendo> Thank you
[14:03] <Daviey> jamespage: the tooling is on my other machine, so can it wait an hour or so?
[14:04] <jamespage> Akendo, no problem
[14:04] <Akendo> That helped a lot
[14:04] <jamespage> Akendo, FYI we are about to integrate ceph into the automated testing we do for OpenStack on Ubuntu
[14:05] <jamespage> which should help spot this sort of issue going forwards...
[14:05] <Akendo> That would be great ;-)
[14:06] <Akendo> Sounds exciting
[14:06] <Akendo> ^^
[14:06] <Kartagis> hi. should I be worried about this? warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/trivial-rewrite pid 18501 exit status 1
[14:09] <lamont> Kartagis: that depends entirely on why it's exiting
[14:09] <lamont> what else does syslog have to say about it?
[14:13] <Kartagis> lamont: http://ccd12e76108915a3.paste.se/
[14:26] <Akendo> So, I updated now to a newer version of ceph. I restarted the server, but i can't see anymore the image
[14:32] <jamespage> Akendo, hmm
[14:32]  * jamespage rubs his chin
[14:32] <Akendo> I can found the entry in the MySQL Db, but glance image-list is empty
[14:33] <Akendo> also does the rbd list -p images displaying the uploaded images
[14:35] <jamespage> Akendo, did you re-upload the image? I'm wondering if something in the DB is not quite right due to that error before
[14:35] <Akendo> Yes
[14:35] <Akendo> Also the re-uploaded image is not displayed
[14:35] <Akendo> Both images a list in the MySQL DB
[14:40] <Akendo> I'll going to try Cinder with Ceph now. Maybe the glance image-list have a issue with accessing rbd devices?
[14:50] <peta_> Hello guys
[14:55] <smoser> smb, around ?
[14:55] <smb> yees... (wondering whether that is good)
[14:56] <peta_> I want to roll my custom php5.4 build for my 10.04 production server and I am wondering what is the "best" method to create portable deb packages. I hear about checkinstall and it sounds too easy to be true. What would you suggest?
[14:57] <peta_> Side note: My production server is a 10.04 amd64 and I have an exact copy of that system as virtual machine on my local computer -- that's where I do all the build stuff before something is moved to the production server.
[14:59] <lamont> Kartagis: command usage for trivial-rewrite in master.cf is bad in some way
[15:00] <smoser> smb, i'm hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1078926
[15:00] <smoser> and its exhibiting really strange behavior.
[15:00] <smoser> i'm bothering you primarily because of the fact that networking was not reliable after reboot.
[15:01] <smoser> i'm guessing a flakey network driver could have cuased the issue on first boot also.
[15:01] <Kartagis> lamont: rewrite   unix  -       -       n       -       -       trivial-rewrite
[15:02] <Kartagis> I'll be back tomorrow
[15:02] <smb> smoser, Hm, ok. So in micro its netfront. Though I need a bit of time to look trhough the messages in detail
[15:02] <lamont> Kartagis: I don't have time to dig into it - it could just be parameters in main.cf that are tripping it up as well
[15:04] <smoser> smb, you want to poke at the instance at all ?
[15:04] <smb> Oh, it is still up, then maybe yes
[15:04] <smoser> smb we've seen this "networking doesn't come up" *very* rarely previously, i'd guess on order of 1/1000 or more.
[15:05] <smoser> but it seems to come up more regularly on raring
[15:05] <smb> smoser, Ah so even with older releases?
[15:05] <smoser> well, really really rarely.
[15:05] <smoser> such that i believed it was a platform (ec2) failure.
[15:05] <smoser> (and i'm still not convinced it is not for the less common case).
[15:07] <smb> smoser, Yeah it might be nice to see the logs from the domain creation. Though I know that won't happen
[15:08] <smoser> smb, ok. stefan-bader-canonical can go into<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:09] <smb> smoser, Heh nice naming scheme...
[15:09] <smoser> fwiw, you might find use for lp:~smoser/backdoor-image at some other point in time.
[15:10] <smoser> smb, so, to show failure on that instanc,e right now, i'm trying to get /var/log/syslog off of it
[15:10] <smoser> and this fails (hangs)
[15:10] <smoser> ssh -C -v<EMAIL_ADDRESS>'sudo cat /var/log/syslog'
[15:14] <smb> smoser, Hm, even a dmesg hangs after a bit. Feels like network works a bit only... Something like this I only had with HVM domUs that had interrupt issues...
[15:21] <smoser> smb, one interesting thing though was that 'apt-get install pastebinit' worked.
[15:21] <smoser> which goes to s3
[15:22] <smoser> which might point to a packet length issue
[15:25] <smoser> wow. there is just all sorts of stuff seemingly busted there.
[15:25] <smb> smoser, It seems a dmesg into less also works better... hm not yet at netfront but "blkfront device/vbd/2049 num-ring-pages 4 nr_ents 128" now if I could remember things better I might know whether that was more than 1 before...
[15:26] <smoser> smb, hm..
[15:34] <donspaulding> Hey there, I've got a running installation of Karmic server out in a datacenter.  It doesn't have anything valuable on it, so I'm wondering if I can repurpose it as an openstack controller.  I want to install the Quantal on it, but I don't have console access to the machine.  Is there a way I can install ubuntu server from the running install of Karmic?
[15:36] <roaksoax> jamespage: oh btw... I don't know if you noticed but there miught be an issue with rabbitmq
[15:36] <roaksoax> jamespage: sometimes the instances fail due to rabbitmq failing to start
[15:36] <jamespage> roaksoax, might their?
[15:36] <jamespage> is that on instances?
[15:36] <roaksoax> jamespage: yeah
[15:36] <jamespage> we tear it up and down pretty regular in the lab.
[15:37] <roaksoax> jamespage: yeah, this is only in the instances, sometimes happens, sometimes doesn't, pretty weird
[15:39] <smb> smoser, Did you just stop the instance?
[15:40] <smoser> probably
[15:40] <smoser> :-(
[15:41] <smoser> smb,  i hvae another just a minute
[15:41] <smoser> sorry
[15:41] <smb> smoser, Oh, no worries. Not sure I can really get much more right now. Just was a bit surprised.
[15:41] <smoser><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:42] <smoser> smb, if you want, you can use that.
[15:42] <smoser> it seems to me that multiple things at play
[15:42] <smoser>  * race condition for ifup
[15:42] <smoser>  * plymouth dies (/var/log/boot.log doesn't get to /dev/console)
[15:42] <smoser>  * flakey network driver/settings/something
[15:43] <smb> smoser, Ok, and I probably should try whether things are the same if I run on my version of Xen 3.4.3
[15:45] <smoser> smb, do you think there is useful info in the fact that local(ish) networking seems to work
[15:45] <smoser> (ie, to s3)
[15:46] <smb> smoser, It is a bit confusing as anything goes through the same virtual nic
[15:46] <smoser> well, but the packet size would differ
[15:47] <smoser> no?
[15:47] <smb> smoser, Oh, hm... could it be more of a console device issue...
[15:47] <smoser> ?
[15:47] <smoser> no.
[15:47] <smoser> scp hangs.
[15:47] <smoser> whic hprobably doesn't allocate a console device
[15:47] <smoser> i woudln't think (if you're speaking of a pty)
[15:47] <smoser> but i could be wrong on that
[15:49] <smb> smoser, Was rather thinking of the console one attaches to at login. But if a remote scp fails as well... Package size may differ but I would rather think internal networking would use the biggest usable size
[15:50] <smb> smoser, But yeah, we use pts here, so not what I was thinking
[15:52] <smb> smoser, The only other difference would be that apt-get install would have more receiving data. Which direction was you scp?
[15:53] <smoser> smb,  i was trying to scp /var/log/messages from the instance
[15:53] <smoser> also, wget http://ubuntu-data.s3.amazonaws.com/ebs/ubuntu-images-milestone/ubuntu-lucid-10.04-beta1-amd64-server-20100317.img.tar.gz -O /dev/null
[15:53] <smoser> that works fine
[15:53] <smoser> reliable ~200M transfer at 10M/s
[15:54] <smb> smoser, So that scp was also sending, as are the dmesg or cat that seem to lock up
[15:54] <smoser> hm..
[15:55] <smoser> smb, i can put up anoter instance in that zone if you'd like
[15:55] <smoser> then you can try moving data back and forth between it if you 'd like
[15:55] <smb> smoser, I am just pulling something bigger from people which seems to work too
[15:56] <smoser> os it woudl seem maybe we're busted on traffic going into the instance.
[15:57] <smb> smoser, To me it seems higher traffic out of the instance causes issues.
[15:57] <smoser> "higher" == > 10k
[15:57] <smb> smoser, Let me try to recreate that locally
[15:57] <ninjix> does anyone have thoughts or tips for managing the maintenance portion of long running Ubuntu cloud instances? I've been searching around but haven't really found any good writeups on the subject.
[15:58] <smoser> i had to use 'split --bytes=4095' to use 'ssh user@host cat file' reliably.
[15:58] <smoser> (4095 not reliably determined. i jumped from 10000 to that just on a whim)
[15:59] <roaksoax> jamespage: oh btw... i think there's a problem with l3-agent
[15:59] <jamespage> roaksoax, oh yes?
[16:00] <roaksoax> jamespage: so I have setup the HA cluster. I "kill" the quantum/0, it fails over to quantum/1, but l3 fails to start due to being unable to connect to whatever it needs to connect
[16:00] <roaksoax> jamespage: i haven't yet look at what might it be... just wanted to let you know :)
[16:01] <smoser> smb, on this particular instance, and right now, i'm seeing this works:
[16:01] <smoser>  ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS> dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1024 count=10 >/dev/null
[16:01] <smoser> this hangs:
[16:01] <smoser>  ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS> dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1024 count=11 >/dev/null
[16:02] <ninjix> most of what I find written is geared toward ephemera instances. I want to move more of our core systems to Ubuntu Openstack arch
[16:02] <smoser> ninjix, what does "maintenance portion" mean ?
[16:02] <smoser> applying updates?
[16:02] <smb> smoser, wtf...
[16:03] <roaksoax> jamespage: or the connection was refused
[16:04] <ninjix> smoser: life cycle of an instance
[16:04] <roaksoax> jamespage: ./deployer.py -c openstack.cfg openstack-quantal-quantum
[16:04] <roaksoax> err
[16:04] <roaksoax> jamespage: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1370377/
[16:05] <ninjix> I'm wondering about how people are taking care of their long running instances
[16:06] <ninjix> the question came to mind this morning while I was having to perform a number of full reboots to pickup kernel updates
[16:09] <smoser> smb, random information:
[16:09] <smoser> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS> dd if=/dev/urandom bs=$((1024*5+(256+111))) count=1 >/dev/null
[16:09] <smoser> that is the first block size to hang fo rme.
[16:10] <smb> smoser, But you do nothing that causes any different traffic on any block or net device... Execept maybe a slightly different timing...
[16:21] <smb> smoser, Oh wait urandom... lack of entropy maybe
[16:22] <smb> smoser, At least one I did is waiting on the read to finish
[16:23] <smoser> urandom doesn't use entrop
[16:31] <smb> smoser, I think it does but should stop if low on entropy... But I jused messed up the repeat. Doing 1024 5MB records is a bit insane. Seems while being logged in I can do 5*5MB without locking
[16:32] <smoser> smb, to where?
[16:32] <smb> backdoor@ip-10-212-103-115
[16:33] <smb> but also from urandom to null
[16:33] <smoser> smb, i was just doing network transfer
[16:33] <smoser> that was the thing
[16:33] <smoser> used /dev/urandom (badly) to avoid compression.
[16:34] <smoser> smb, but interestingly, this fails same way:
[16:34] <smoser>  ssh -o Compression=no $uhost dd if=/dev/zero bs=$((1024*5+(256+110))) count=1 >/dev/null
[16:35] <smoser> (well, the 111 fails, 110 passes)
[16:35] <smb> smoser, Oh, doh!
[16:35] <smb> smoser, Ok, I see, you discard the data locally.
[16:35] <smoser> right.
[16:43] <tonyyarusso> Anyone know how ufw/iptables would impact ARP?
[16:44] <tonyyarusso> (An entry was not showing up on the switch with ufw enabled; disabled ufw and the entry I was looking for popped right up.)
[16:45] <SpamapS> tonyyarusso: AFAIK, ufw doesn't mess with any of the ARP settings
[16:49] <vezq> don't have very good experiences with ufw
[16:50] <smb> smoser, Ok, for now I am off the instance and you can rip it down if you want. I want to try that locally
[16:52] <nopz> Hi there, anyone using lsyncd ?
[16:52] <smoser> smb, k.
[16:57] <jdstrand> ufw does not do anything with arp
[16:59] <tonyyarusso> I wouldn't think it would, but somehow it seems to be affecting something.  Very confused.
[17:03] <tonyyarusso> How would I specify that the IP addresses associated with each interface should only be accessible through that interface, not the other?  For instance, if eth0 is .2 and eth1 is .3, no traffic to .3 should could through eth0.
[17:05] <rbasak> tonyyarusso: is http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.kernel.rpf.html what you need?
[17:06] <rbasak> tonyyarusso: also see: http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0002.2/0880.html
[17:11] <tonyyarusso> rbasak: I don't think so?
[17:13] <tonyyarusso> rbasak: To expand a bit, I have two interfaces that are on the subnet, connected to the same switch, on the same vlan.  The switch is .1, eth0 is .2, and eth1 is .3.  eth0 is connected to switch port 2:20 and eth1 is connected to port 2:15.  My goal is to totally separate traffic between the physical interfaces by IP address, so that if eth1 gets saturated by traffic to .3 (incoming sflow packets only) I can still do management ...
[17:13] <tonyyarusso> ... stuff to eth0 on .2 (all two-way traffic).
[17:14] <tonyyarusso> Man, this ufw thing is reproducible.  Disable ufw, and the ARP entry for eth1 pops up on the switch, but it's not there when ufw is enabled.  Weird.
[17:15] <rbasak> Oh, I see. You can do that with multiple routing tables and advanced routing (see the howto), but I'd recommend against it. Everyone else with that need would use a separate management lan or vlan, and that's probably the path of least resistance
[17:16] <tonyyarusso> perhaps
[17:17] <jdstrand> tonyyarusso: are you using bridging?
[17:17] <tonyyarusso> jdstrand: no
[17:19] <BrixSat> Hello, is there any daemon with webinterface for network monitor?
[17:19] <jdstrand> tonyyarusso: I suggest doing something like 'sudo ufw logging high' and then look in /var/log/ufw.log to see what is going on (in fact, with 'logging low' (the default), you might already have stuff there. it seems pretty clear that you will need to add iptables rules to /etc/ufw/before*.rules to handle your setup (see man ufw-framework for details)
[17:19] <Kartagis> how do I know whether postfix is in chroot?
[17:20] <lamont> Kartagis: if you didn't chagne the config, it's in a chroot by default on debian and ubuntu
[17:26] <Cuacrzz> hello, i need some help with a l2tp vpn config please!
[17:28] <jamespage> roaksoax, that would indicate the l3-agent is not configured at-all
[17:28] <jamespage> roaksoax, ignore me
[17:29]  * jamespage scrolls to bottom of log
[17:29] <jamespage> roaksoax, is <IP_ADDRESS> the IP of the node you took out?
[17:29] <jamespage> l3-agent will be getting URL's for quantum from keystone; and if one has dropped we need the haproxy frontend to keystone as well.
[17:35] <raub> Does anyone know if the Intel x520-DA2 (chipset 82599ES) works well under ubuntu 12.04LTS? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWiredNetworkCardsIntel might be a bit dated
[17:35] <jamespage> roaksoax, note that the scalability of the l3-agent is a documented limitation - it has to query quantum to figure out what it should be doing
[17:37] <roaksoax> jamespage: right, this is not scaling though, it is a failover
[17:37] <roaksoax> jamespage: so l3-agent is simply started in quantum/1 node, if quantum/0 fails
[17:37] <jamespage> roaksoax, I know
[17:38] <roaksoax> jamespage: let me deploy everything again
[17:39] <jamespage> roaksoax, ack
[17:39] <roaksoax> jamespage: btw.. you didn't make any more changes to the quantum charm right?
[17:39]  * jamespage thinks
[17:39] <jamespage> I'd have to check the branch but I don't think so no
[17:40] <jamespage> last commit on friday
[17:41] <tonyyarusso> jdstrand: well, I'm not seeing anything obvious yet at least.
[17:44] <Akendo> Hello jamespage , sorry for disturb again. My cinder have troune using this uuid password for ceph. It looks like it that it's no working
[17:44] <Akendo> Any idea?
[17:44] <Akendo> troube*
[17:44] <jamespage> Akendo, yeah - that is fiddly
[17:44] <Akendo> Make me a little bit crazy..... why a uuid?
[17:44] <jamespage> Akendo, take me through how you are setting up and managing the uuid
[17:44] <jamespage> specifically on cinder and on the nova-compute nodes....
[17:45] <Akendo> http://ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/rbd-openstack/#setup-ceph-client-authentication
[17:45] <jamespage> (I wrote all of this stuff into the Juju charms for OpenStack so I know how awkward it is)
[17:45] <Akendo> Like the ceph guys it do
[17:45] <jamespage> right - I banged my head against that for a while as well.
[17:46] <roaksoax> jamespage: another thing. The ha cluster will need at least 2 interfaces ... so in the quantum charm I'll have to specify: 1. network address of interfaces, 2. multicast address to use. 3. and multicast port to use
[17:46] <roaksoax> jamespage: how can we make the config to dinamically add interfaces
[17:46] <jamespage> Akendo, you can do it one of two ways
[17:46] <roaksoax> (in case we want to add a third, fourth)
[17:46] <Akendo> ok
[17:46] <jamespage> 1) Create the uuid on the cinder host first; and then create it using exactly the same uuid on all of the nova-compute nodes
[17:46] <jamespage> or
[17:47] <jamespage> 2) Create it individually on each node and specify the rbd_secret_uuid for each host individually (they can all be different)
[17:48] <jamespage> roaksoax, wellll....
[17:48] <jamespage> that is awkward
[17:49] <jamespage> Akendo, one second - I'll dig out a bit of code for you
[17:49] <roaksoax> jamespage: ackward, but required, unless we *always* require a second nic
[17:49] <Akendo> hm..
[17:50] <Akendo> Thank you, I'll try it again
[17:50] <jamespage> Akendo, this is the config in nova-compute for the second option - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/precise/nova-compute/trunk/view/head:/hooks/nova-compute-relations#L131
[17:50] <jamespage> set_or_update just sets options in nova.conf
[17:50] <jamespage> roaksoax, its tricky because to an extent you have to make assumptions about the physical machine you are using
[17:51] <jamespage> having a config option that specifies the physical nic to use would make sense
[17:51] <jamespage> but it has to be consistent across all service units
[17:51] <roaksoax> jamespage: exactly, but that's why this cluster uses the network address, and with it , it selects the interface
[17:51] <roaksoax> jamespage: so to me, it makes more sense to send the network address of the iface to use
[17:51] <jamespage> OK - so lets ignore that issue for the time being and assume that is the case
[17:52] <roaksoax> rather than a nic
[17:52] <Akendo> Ah
[17:52] <Akendo> I now understanding how this work, awesome link!
[17:52] <jamespage> roaksoax, but you are assuming the nic is already configured then?
[17:52] <Akendo> Now I *
[17:52] <roaksoax> jamespage: i';m assuming that I know the network address to which the cluster is going to be connected to
[17:52] <jamespage> Akendo, https://javacruft.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/wrestling-the-cephalopod/ has a bit more on deploying ceph with openstack using juju charms
[17:53] <Akendo> hm..
[17:53] <Akendo> Ok
[17:53] <jamespage> Akendo, even if you don't want to use juju its worth reading the code to plunder the knowledge :-)
[17:54] <jamespage> roaksoax, is this a multicast address?
[17:54] <roaksoax> jamespage: so the thing is the communication between cluster nodes is based on "rings"
[17:55] <roaksoax> jamespage: each rings needs, multicast addresss, multicast port, and network address
[17:55] <jamespage> roaksoax, network address per service unit right?
[17:55] <roaksoax> jamespage: right, the network address to which the service unit is connected to
[17:56] <roaksoax> jamespage: every node in the cluster nees to be configured with the same network address, mcast address/port
[17:56] <jamespage> roaksoax, right
[17:57] <roaksoax> jamespage: so I can't simply assume that eth0, for example, is the interface used for all the physical systems to connect to the same network
[17:57] <roaksoax> which means using network address is a better approach
[17:58] <jamespage> roaksoax, I still don't see how that maps to individual service units
[17:58] <jamespage> eth0 is universally appliable
[17:58] <zul> smb: still around?
[17:58] <jamespage> <IP_ADDRESS> applies to a single unit only
[17:59] <smb> zul, Somewhat, but a good deal of my brain is away...
[17:59] <jamespage> roaksoax, unless I missed something and you mean <IP_ADDRESS>/24 (i.e. a network address)?
[17:59] <roaksoax> jamespage: right, but physical machine 01, is connected to network <IP_ADDRESS>/24 on eth0, machine02, is connected to <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[17:59] <roaksoax> on eth0
[17:59] <roaksoax> if we specify interface to use
[17:59] <jamespage> roaksoax, right - sorry - I see now - I was being dumb.
[17:59] <roaksoax> the nodes in the cluster will never see each other
[17:59] <zul> smb: did you have a script that takes the cloud-images and make it usuable for xen?
[18:00] <jamespage> roaksoax, I'd also never underestimate the value of common cabling in the DC classed by machine type
[18:00] <smb> zul, Sort of. It is usable for Xen, what it does is adding no-cloud data
[18:00] <jamespage> its invaluable :-)
[18:00] <zul> zul: care to share?
[18:00] <roaksoax> jamespage: oh definitely not, they are going to use a standard cabling/network per interface and stuff
[18:01] <smb> zul, Talking to yourself again? :)
[18:01] <roaksoax> i just don't want to assume
[18:01] <zul> smb: perhaps :)
[18:01] <roaksoax> jamespage: though it could be a requirement... have the same interface in the same network
[18:01] <jamespage> roaksoax, I have to dash now - if you want to leave your test rig running and add my LP key (james-page) and PM me the details I'll take a look first thing
[18:01] <zul> smb: some people's brains are not here as well
[18:01] <smb> zul, I can post it to you. I hope it is generic in usage, you should look at it carefully
[18:01] <jamespage> roaksoax, I don't think thats unreasonable
[18:01] <smb> zul, :)
[18:01] <zul> smb: please
[18:01] <jamespage> I make that assumption in the quantum charm already
[18:01] <jamespage> with the ext-port configuration
[18:02] <roaksoax> jamespage: ok, so i guess i can do the same then
[18:06] <zul> right...so libvirt 1.0 works with xen 4.1
[18:08] <smb> zul, I am trying to get a xen package reviewed for raring that has 4.2 and re-adds qemu-dm since
[18:08] <zul> smb: linky?
[18:09] <smb> that was suggested by the xen folks (because upstream qemu does no migration)
[18:09] <zul> right
[18:10] <smb> zul, I asked someone else already for a review, so I don't want to create chaos by spreading it into all corners
[18:10] <zul> ack
[18:11] <smb> Hope it gets done soonish though
[18:11] <smb> zul, script sent
[18:11] <zul> thanks
[18:13] <smb> zul, Let me know how it works for you. I have to admit it might be a bit "evil"...
[18:17] <zul> smoser: hey do you have a problem with adding an upstart job for hvc0 for pv-domu guests in the cloud-images?
[18:18] <smoser> what would said upstart job do ?
[18:22] <zul> smoser:  just creates a getty
[18:22] <zul> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1370663/
[18:23] <smoser> id rather you think of it generically.
[18:23] <smoser> maybe 'virt-getty.conf' that generally tries to run a getty on any "virtual console". even potentially considering 'ttySX' to be such a console.
[18:25] <zul> sounds reasonable
[18:27] <smb> smoser, I actually have one for hvc0.conf which only starts it when /dev/hvc0 is present
[18:27] <zul> smb:  crappers http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1370663/
[18:28] <smb> zul, smoser, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1370690/
[18:28] <zul> smb:  no domU drivers loaded :
[18:29] <zul> smb: that works for me
[18:30] <smb> zul, I intend to add this to the xen package in one of the next steps to get the same on dom0
[18:30] <smoser> smb, you should be able to reference DEVNAME in the getty call i think
[18:30] <smoser> and then extend the start on to other things also
[18:31] <ninjix> hey guys, which openstack network mode is the server team using?
[18:31] <smb> smoser, Well this was started with more of dom0 in mind, so I did want to exclude the container case. Did not seem overly making sense there
[18:32] <ninjix> are you running Quantum for much of your testing?
[18:33] <smb> smoser, Oh, if you meant extend to start on different tty's... It seemed that rather each desired one should have its own conf file
[18:35] <smoser> smb, well i dont know. why would you want a bunch of things that differ only by 3 chars.
[18:35] <smoser> i was suggesting a generic one that was configured one place that said "do you want a getty on a virtual console device"
[18:35] <smb> smoser, You could ask why there is tty[12345].conf... ;)
[18:36] <smoser> then if any were there, it turned them on.
[18:36] <smoser> (yes, i could ask that)
[18:36] <smoser> especially if those jobs can be started on demand as yours shows there.
[18:37] <smb> smoser, I guess one thing is it makes it simpler to start/stop ttys individually
[18:39] <smb> And not sure how tight the need for one process triggered by one conf file in udev is... that is something I need to investigate too for trying to make xen start scripts upstart ones
[18:45] <RoyK> what's the big deal with xen when kvm's around?
[18:49] <smoser> smb, its not significantly simpler to start/stop ttys individually.
[18:49] <smoser> you hav eto make it an instance job. and
[18:50] <smoser> start virt-console DEVNAME=ttyS0
[18:50] <smoser> or something like that
[18:55] <smb> smoser, Well, yeah. I would not claim to know why it was done that way. I just usually assume there has been some reason for it (maybe just histerically because there were individual lines in inittab). Or maybe it allows for simpler additions without risking to loose those when upgrading.
[19:45] <tonyyarusso> How do I prevent a route from being created on boot?  Specifically, I do NOT want the route that reads "<IP_ADDRESS>   *               <IP_ADDRESS> U     0      0        0 eth1".  Here's my /etc/network/interfaces currently:  http://pastebin.com/pBWq7TC6
[19:50] <keithzg> I swear I've done it plenty of times, but I've just upgraded a server to 12.04 and it keeps prompting me to upgrade to 12.10 upon terminal login; how do I stick it to LTS only?
[19:52] <ScottK> keithzg: Look in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[19:53] <keithzg> ScottK I already did that, it has the line "Prompt=lts"
[19:53] <keithzg> and yet...
[19:53] <ScottK> Dunno.
[19:54] <ScottK> Did you restart after you changed it?
[19:54] <ScottK> I'm not sure where that gets cached.
[19:55] <keithzg> I didn't even ever change that
[19:55] <keithzg> It has, as far as I know, always said that.
[19:55] <keithzg> last modified date is Aug 8, looks like
[19:55] <RoyK> keithzg: wierd - try an "apt-get dist-upgrade" - make sure it's updated - simetimes there's a bug...
[19:56] <keithzg> The following packages will be upgraded: unity-scope-musicstores
[19:56] <keithzg> heh, methink that won't do the trick
[19:57] <sarnold> indeed, but at least it is a simple step :)
[19:57] <keithzg> sarnold truth!
[19:58] <tonyyarusso> keithzg: You have to delete a file in /var.  Let me see if I can find it.
[19:59] <tonyyarusso> keithzg: /var/lib/update-notifier/release-upgrade-available
[19:59] <altermann> hello, is the www-data user equivalent to apache in other distros?
[19:59] <altermann> i was not able to find anything conclusive on google
[19:59] <tonyyarusso> keithzg: just remove it, and it will get recreated with the correct parameters on next run of the script
[19:59] <tonyyarusso> altermann: yes
[20:00] <altermann> thank you
[20:03] <keithzg> tonyyarusso: thanks!
[20:03] <sarnold> tonyyarusso: excellent :) thanks
[21:32] <rnbrady> Hi folks
[21:32] <rnbrady> What is the canonical way to configure RAID post install on an Ubuntu server?
[23:56] <keithzg> arghh I've added a second ethernet card to a server for the sake of an iscsi mount, and now it's insisting on using that interface for everything. How do I get it to only use an interface for a specific IP range, and use the other interface for all other traffic?
[23:59] <sarnold> keithzg: I assume the iscsi endpoint is in the same netblock as all the other hosts?