[12:16] <pygi> oh, thats bad
[12:21] <pygi> wb LasaerJock
[12:21] <LasaerJock> darn it, cbx33 left again
[12:50] <ogra> mdz, does the freeze take effect if the meeting begins as usual ?
[12:51] <ogra> cbx33 wanted to update some artwork ... thats why he was after you
[01:30] <sbalneav> Evening all
[01:35] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[01:36] <sbalneav> Hey hey
[01:56] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:57] <LaserJock> hola bddebian
[01:57] <bddebian> Buenos Noches LaserJock
[02:19] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[02:23] <sbalneav> RichEd: ping
[02:24] <sbalneav> Evening rodarvus!
[02:24] <rodarvus> hi sbalneav!
[02:24] <rodarvus> how are you?
[02:24] <sbalneav> Doing good!  You?
[02:24] <ogra> sbalneav, pong
[02:25] <sbalneav> ogra: Got 5 minutes for a private chat?
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> any ltsp folk about? i'm wondering whast with ->   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; <- is that a relative dir from somewhere?
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, looks like its relative to /var/lib/tftpboot/
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> which istftpd-hpa's home. now it makes sence :)
[04:09] <joejaxx> :( i do not know anyone here
[04:09] <joejaxx> well actually i do :)
[04:10] <joejaxx> gnomefreak: hello
[04:13] <joejaxx> hmm interesting
[04:14] <joejaxx> is any...alive? haha
[04:14] <sbalneav> Hello
[04:14] <sbalneav> Need a hand?
[04:14] <joejaxx> sbalneav: hello :)
[04:14] <joejaxx> sbalneav: i missed the meeting did i not?
[04:14] <sbalneav> Meetings are usually in #ubuntu-meeting
[04:15] <joejaxx> oh
[04:15] <joejaxx> at what time?
[04:15] <sbalneav> Depends on who's meeting.  I'm not sure of the schedule, but I think it's on the fridge somewhere.
[04:15] <joejaxx> hmm i will have to look at that
[07:31] <cbx33> mornin everbody
[07:32] <highvoltage> mornin' cbx33
[07:32] <cbx33> how are you highvoltage
[07:32] <highvoltage> doing good
[07:32] <highvoltage> how are you doing? things going well at the school?
[07:33] <cbx33> yesterday was utter &^*%
[07:33] <cbx33> today, well too early to tell
[07:33] <cbx33> :(
[07:33] <cbx33> school is going well I suppose
[07:33] <cbx33> can't wait to leave though
[07:36] <cbx33> brb......doing the dishes
[07:40] <highvoltage> :(
[07:40] <highvoltage> it brings new meaning to the term 'school sux' :)
[07:43] <cbx33> yup
[07:46] <TeePOG> morning all
[07:47] <cbx33> hi
[07:47] <TeePOG> hi cbx33, RichEd, highvoltage, ogra, Kamping_Kaiser, nixternal
[07:47] <TeePOG> and everyone I missed
[07:47] <nixternal> wasabi! ;)
[07:47] <cbx33> forgive me, typing with nose
[07:48] <highvoltage> hey TeePOG
[07:48] <TeePOG> How do you know you're addicted to IRC? You sign on to freenode before checking mail :-D
[07:48] <highvoltage> cbx33: just don't sneeze
[07:49] <TeePOG> cbx33: did someone break your fingers for not paying your Mob debts?
[07:49] <TeePOG> ag highvoltage, 'snot so bad to sneeze
[07:50] <TeePOG> ....
[07:50] <TeePOG> tough crowd
[07:51] <TeePOG> ping #edubuntu
[07:51] <highvoltage> TeePOG: not if you're typing with your nose!
[07:52] <cbx33> heheh
[07:52] <TeePOG> true
[07:52] <cbx33> my hads had rubber gloves on
[07:52] <cbx33> I was washing up
[07:53] <cbx33> didn't think water and my keyboard would mix
[07:53] <TeePOG> but how do you do ctrl and shift? left- and right nostrils move independently?
[07:53] <cbx33> no........I have to skip those
[07:54] <TeePOG> no you don't! that was a capital I!
[07:54] <cbx33> i have hands again
[07:54] <TeePOG> oic
[07:55] <TeePOG> rubber gloves and all?
[07:55] <cbx33> heheh no
[07:55] <cbx33> I have removed them.....
[07:55] <cbx33> man do they stink :(
[07:56] <TeePOG> hmm, I'm sure you SAY it's for washing... but were you not really cutting up bodies or something?
[07:56] <TeePOG> that would explain the stink
[07:56] <cbx33> wow TeePOG thanks......I don;t think I'ver ever been accused of being a butcher before :S
[07:57] <TeePOG> ohhh, i thought that's what the "b" in cbx33 was for ^.^
[07:57] <cbx33> hehe
[07:57] <cbx33> crafty butcher ;)
[07:57] <TeePOG> collector, butcher, and executioner number 33
[07:57] <cbx33> hehheh
[07:57] <TeePOG> mob serial number
[07:58] <cbx33> TeePOG, you're scaring me....you seem to know a lot about this kinda thing ;)
[07:58] <TeePOG> i'm just very good at making up stories... plausibility, that's der bunny
[07:59] <cbx33> heh
[07:59] <cbx33> well cbx33 actually stands for an old counterstrike handle
[07:59] <cbx33> cutterbomb
[07:59] <cbx33> x was added for fun
[07:59] <TeePOG> i have no clue whether that which I just said, is based in fact
[07:59] <cbx33> 33 .... I needed a number
[07:59] <TeePOG> i see
[08:00] <cbx33> i downloaded that the other day
[08:02] <TeePOG> it's awesome having uncapped ADSL
[08:02] <TeePOG> besides, my ISP has a complete Ubuntu repo mirror
[08:07] <TeePOG> erm
[08:07] <TeePOG> that was for other server, sorry
[08:10] <TeePOG> morning danielhedblom
[08:11] <danielhedblom> hi there
[08:12] <TeePOG> how goes?
[08:16] <danielhedblom> not very well
[08:16] <danielhedblom> but i never give up
[08:18] <RichEd> morning all
[08:18] <RichEd> busy with an MOU TeePOG but we can pick up a bit later
[08:19] <TeePOG> sure thing RichEd, i'm around
[08:19] <RichEd> :)
[08:20] <TeePOG> just getting coffee, brb
[08:24] <cbx33> morin RichEd
[08:24] <cbx33> see y'all later on
[09:11] <cbx33> moenin all
[09:13] <kihai> Hi there, just a short question concerning the greeter that is shown for LTSP users. Does anyone know the keyboard shortcut for switching between languages (english-german)?
[09:34] <highvoltage> kihai: I don't think the current greeter has that functionality. AFAIK it has only been introduced in the current development version
[10:03] <kihai> highvoltage: But some users somehow manage to unvoluntarily switch the language from german (preset) to english, but I have no idea which shortcuts they use..
[10:06] <highvoltage> hmmm...
[10:08] <TeePOG> wb RichEd
[10:20] <botxj> is it me or did daylight savings time just hit?
[10:31] <TeePOG> daylight just hit, period
[10:34] <botxj> it's still dark out
[10:36] <TeePOG> not from where i'm sitting
[10:39] <botxj> i'm in america
[10:43] <TeePOG> i'm in South Africa
[10:43] <kihai> I'm in Germany
[10:43] <TeePOG> so you're already up kihai? got coffee yet?
[10:50] <botxj> i was born in kenya
[10:52] <TeePOG> that's nice... in colonial days? or after?
[11:12] <botxj> i'm 20 years old
[11:18] <botxj> that means i was born in modern times, not colonial
[11:24] <TeePOG> ok cool
[11:24] <botxj> heh, colonial, i thought you were being sarcastic
[11:25] <botxj> when you said that
[11:26] <TeePOG> i was only half joking... some ppl here are quite old
[11:28] <TeePOG> i mean, look at maddog hall... that guy knew Noah personally
[11:31] <botxj> heh, i'm glad i'm young
[11:34] <pygi> hey ho rodarvus
[11:34] <rodarvus> hi pygi!
[11:35] <TeePOG> wb cbx33
[11:36] <pygi> cbx33: mdz got back few minutes when you left yesterday :-/
[11:50] <cbx33> hi pygi
[11:51] <pygi> hi cbx33
[11:51] <cbx33> how is libburn
[11:54] <pygi> you know, told you yesterday
[11:59] <cbx33> I wondered if there had been any progress.
[11:59] <cbx33> :(
[11:59] <cbx33> I fixed one of my bugs but I'm not sure how to fix the other one
[11:59] <cbx33> doy ou have a second?
[12:06] <cbx33> pygi: scp-client is run from Xsession.d from a startup script
[12:06] <cbx33> it should close when the user finishes their X session, but it's not
[12:06] <cbx33> is it because I don;t have any signal handling in the code?
[12:11] <saintsjd> I am using an iopener for one of my ltsp clients.  The iOpener seems to be very slow when booting the ubuntu initrd image and doing its hardware detection. Is there any way that I could hardcode the detected hardware so that it is not done on the client each time it boots?  I am willing to build my own kernel and busy box if necessary.
[12:17] <danielhedblom> found my problem, the admin guy handling the DHCP is wrong
[12:17] <danielhedblom> ehereal shows i get the wrong "next server"
[12:17] <cbx33> ping ogra
[12:17] <cbx33> I have the first issue on SCP fixed
[12:18] <cbx33> Kamion said if we fix before TB it'll be fine
[12:18] <cbx33> I'm working on the second problem now
[12:19] <cbx33> hi willvdl
[12:19] <danielhedblom> ethereal is really nice for troubleshooting PXE issues =)
[12:19] <willvdl> hey there
[12:19] <cbx33> ethereal is great all round
[12:20] <TeePOG> it is indeed one of the nicer pieces of OSS software
[12:23] <cbx33> ping rodarvus
[12:23] <rodarvus> cbx33, pong
[12:23] <cbx33> got a quick question
[12:23] <cbx33> do you know how when an X session closes it stops the processes called in the /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ configs?
[12:24] <cbx33> I started my scp-client python script...but it;s not being killed when the session ends
[12:24] <cbx33> I thinking it is posibly sending it a signal
[12:24] <cbx33> but my script does handle signals yet
[12:24] <rodarvus> yes, I know, this is not an X related question, though :D
[12:24] <cbx33> oh
[12:24] <cbx33> sorry
[12:25] <rodarvus> unix has a concept called 'process groups' - when the father of a process group (the process that spawned the others) die, all processes are sent a signal
[12:25] <rodarvus> cbx33, don't worry, I was just kidding ;)
[12:25] <cbx33> :D
[12:25] <cbx33> what signal
[12:25] <rodarvus> so, you are supposed to handle this signal, if you want to 'die' when your parent process does
[12:25] <cbx33> which I do
[12:25] <cbx33> which signal is it?
[12:26] <rodarvus> dude, I wish I had my APUE on my side
[12:26] <rodarvus> I think it is SIGHUP
[12:26] <cbx33> ok thanks rodarvus
[12:26] <cbx33> APUE ?
[12:27] <rodarvus> Advanced Programming in Unix Environment
[12:27] <rodarvus> cbx33, 'man 7 signal'
[12:27] <rodarvus> specifically this part:
[12:27] <cbx33> thank you
[12:28] <rodarvus>        SIGHUP        1       Term    Hangup detected on controlling terminal
[12:28] <rodarvus>                                      or death of controlling process
[12:29] <rodarvus> cbx33, actually any reasonable Unix book as at least one chapter on signals - APUE is just (imho) the best unix book out ther
[12:29] <rodarvus> there
[12:31] <willvdl> rodarvus, what about SIGTERM? Does it not depend on how the process dies?
[12:32] <rodarvus> willvdl, sigterm is sent when you want the process in question to die gracefully
[12:32] <rodarvus> it is sent (for all processes) by init, when the computer is being shutdown
[12:33] <rodarvus> if, then, your process ignores SIGTERM (and thus keeps running), init usually sends SIGKILL, which is not interruptable, and the kernel kills your process
[12:34] <willvdl> ah. all coming back to me now
[12:34] <rodarvus> SIGHUP, on the other hand, is (by default) ignored, it is just useful if you want to know when your parent process died (such as the case for cbx33), or when you need to know when you lost a controlling terminal (ie, any calls to open/read/write/close to STDIN, STDOUT AND STDERR will fail)
[12:36] <cbx33> rodarvus: it seems as thought a SIGHUP should kill it anyway
[12:36] <rodarvus> cbx33, kill what, the child process?
[12:38] <willvdl> ah. I thought the parent sent SIGTERM to the children.
[12:38] <cbx33> hmmm
[12:38] <cbx33> ok...it kills it
[12:38] <cbx33> but outputs some text on the screen
[12:38] <cbx33> well lemme try this and see what happens
[12:39] <willvdl> I remember there being an explanation in the Qt docs somewhere
[12:39] <cbx33> it dies....properly fro ma SIGHUP which it didn't do before
[12:39] <cbx33> but python spits out a keyboard interrupt message
[12:39] <cbx33> anyway to stop this?
[12:47] <willvdl> how are you killing it?
[12:50] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/178546
[12:50] <cbx33> see my code and then what happens when I kill it
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi TeePOG :) (juust home again ;))
[12:53] <cbx33> rodarvus: hmm.....that didn't work
[12:53] <cbx33> guess it's not sending SIGHUP
[12:53] <TeePOG> wb Kamping_Kaiser
[12:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty
[12:56] <cbx33> rodarvus: it seems dbus doesn't close itself either
[12:57] <cbx33> or bonobo, or gnome vfs
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, love the dapper ltsp installer, it roxors. just got a few things to work out myself now its installed :)
[01:01] <cbx33> rodarvus: any other ideas.....sorry to be a pain here
[01:02] <cbx33> it must not be sending signals at all
[01:02] <rodarvus> cbx33, hmm, hard to say
[01:02] <rodarvus> this is the kind of problem that is hard to debug remotely
[01:02] <cbx33> sorry :(
[01:02] <rodarvus> and unfortunately I don't have much time to review your code today :/
[01:02] <cbx33> rodarvus: that's ok
[01:03] <cbx33> if you do get a sec the pastebin is there
[01:03] <rodarvus> sure
[01:03] <cbx33> I have 3 hours to fix
[01:03] <rodarvus> don't know if its going to be helpful, but lets try :)
[01:03] <cbx33> ogra said it needs to be in before beta freeze
[01:03] <rodarvus> you *can* fix it later, but it would be nice to get it fixed now
[01:03] <cbx33> yes I know ;)
[01:03] <cbx33> I have fixed the first problem
[01:03] <rodarvus> because later you'll need approval to get your package uplaod
[01:03] <rodarvus> uploaded
[01:04] <cbx33> this is the second
[01:07] <cbx33> is that pitti approval?
[01:15] <cbx33> rodarvus: I know why that didn't work
[01:15] <cbx33> because it's PPID is 1
[01:15] <cbx33> ;)
[01:15] <cbx33> not much chance of that getting killed when you log out
[01:16] <rodarvus> cbx33, no, release team approval
[01:16] <rodarvus> either mdz or Kamion
[01:17] <cbx33> ah ok
[01:17] <cbx33> I think Kamion already approved it ;)
[01:17] <knixtech> morning all
[01:17] <cbx33> but that solves the mystery
[01:17] <knixtech> ^_^
[01:17] <cbx33> but doesn't help me
[01:17] <cbx33> are they told to quit?
[01:19] <TeePOG> afternoon knixtech :-)
[01:20] <knixtech> ha, afternoon
[01:20] <knixtech> what a crazy world
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone know a list of options for dappers ltsp.conf?
[01:20] <TeePOG> huh?
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> or anywhere to look?
[01:20] <knixtech> as in the client side?
[01:20] <rodarvus> cbx33, he approved it to enter the archive
[01:21] <rodarvus> someone on the release team needs to approve new uploads after the beta freeze
[01:21] <rodarvus> its a different kind of approval
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> knixtech, the one that (i thought) goes in /etc/ltsp
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> or for that matter, per-client configs if such a thing exists
[01:21] <rodarvus> *all* packages need approval to be upload after beta freeeze
[01:22] <cbx33> ahh
[01:22] <knixtech> Kamping_Kaiser, not sure on the per-client part, but go into the .conf and see what you can configure
[01:22] <knixtech> Kamping_Kaiser, like sound and all?
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> usb+sound+drives
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> so yes :)
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont see an ltsp.conf in /etc/ltsp
[01:23] <knixtech> ya, i read it on the getting started page
[01:23] <knixtech> let me find the link for ya
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks mate :)
[01:23] <knixtech> ^_^
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:25] <knixtech> http://edubuntu.org/GettingStarted
[01:25] <knixtech> at the bottom
[01:25] <knixtech> it sort of touches on it
[01:26] <knixtech> the fine tuning part of it
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks mate :)
[01:31] <knixtech> Kamping_Kaiser, help ya?
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure yet, just checked back here ;)
[01:31] <knixtech> kk
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, that will be very helpfull :D
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> TeePOG, i dont see anything else in those clothes here ;P
[01:32] <TeePOG> ahhhh, so they didn't deliver the Village People outfits today? hmmmmm
[01:33] <knixtech> ^_^
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S sorry mate
[01:33] <knixtech> hahahah
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs. moving alphaserver
[01:34] <TeePOG> i'm struggling with firestarter... any pointers? i'm connected directly to our router, the connection works... but dies as soon as I open firestarter
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> the firewall loads when you start firestarter
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> what are you firewalling for? :) can you do it without firestarter?
[01:36] <TeePOG> no idea Kamping_Kaiser... general internet protection i guess...
[01:36] <TeePOG> but i do want the p2p and other stuff to pass through
[01:36] <TeePOG> especially IRC ^.^
[01:37] <knixtech> ^=^
[01:37] <TeePOG> i heard about guarddog, is it any good?
[01:37] <knixtech> TeePOG, you want a leet firewall?
[01:37] <knixtech> by itself, or on nix?
[01:37] <TeePOG> i want something keeping the Bad People out of my stuff
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> TeePOG, you only stop stuff coming in, not out :)
[01:38] <TeePOG> actually we have an IPCop box for the cybercafe
[01:38] <knixtech> pfsense or smoothwall are my favs
[01:38] <TeePOG> i want this box to bypass ipcop completely, but not be insecure
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> TeePOG, http://www.debian-administration.org/
[01:38] <TeePOG> Kamping_Kaiser: please elucidate...?
[01:38] <TeePOG> ah
[01:38] <TeePOG> *click*
[01:38] <knixtech> ok, then install windows then,   shhhhh its opposite day ^_^
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'insecure' on a 0 ports open box is a bit paranoid :)
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> ^^ good link
[01:39] <TeePOG> *click*
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have it on my boxes. if you want i can send you my firewall script
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> its got a few open ports and whatnot you can copy if you want
[01:40] <TeePOG> sw33t Kamping_Kaiser
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /notice me your email if you want the script :)
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> or i could pastebin i suppose
[01:43] <jsgotangco> hmm do we even have seeds for edubuntu edgy
[01:43] <jsgotangco> i can barely grab amd64
[01:44] <ogra> cbx33, first thing you should add at the very top of the client code is something like:
[01:44] <ogra> if not os.getenv('LTSP_CLIENT'):
[01:44] <ogra>     sys.exit(0)
[01:44] <cbx33> ogra: done
[01:44] <cbx33> first problem is fixed
[01:44] <ogra> so it doesnt start for non ltsp sessions
[01:44] <ogra> ok
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> TeePOG, http://pastebin.ca/178582
[01:44] <ogra> sorry, i had to sleep some hours ...
[01:44] <cbx33> ogra: it's ok
[01:45] <cbx33> I'm trying to get this finshed up
[01:45] <cbx33> I've spoken to Kamion....he said if we get it done before TB meeting it'll be fine
[01:45] <ogra> yep
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> TeePOG, it meantions variables - i took them out ;), it was breaking stuff, and i was busy
[01:45] <cbx33> and that artwork isn't so critical
[01:45] <ogra> i guessed so, the meetings are usually the deadlines
[01:45] <cbx33> so I'm trying my hardest here
[01:46] <cbx33> my problem is that the process are not being killed
[01:46] <cbx33> even dbus and gnome-vfs are still running
[01:46] <cbx33> it's not just my scp-client process
[01:46] <cbx33> from what I can see
[01:46] <cbx33> I put in singal handler statments to handle a SIGHUP
[01:46] <cbx33> but it seems as if they are not being sent that either
[01:46] <ogra> does your client go away if dbus vanishes ?
[01:47] <cbx33> my client does not depend on dbus at all....
[01:47] <cbx33> but I shall check that for you now
[01:47] <cbx33> hang on
[01:47] <ogra> well, it needs dbus
[01:48] <TeePOG> thanks Kamping_Kaiser
[01:48] <ogra> even though it needs the system bus ....
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> TeePOG, np :) ask if you need a hand
[01:48] <TeePOG> o.O
[01:48] <TeePOG> where?
[01:49] <cbx33> yes...the way I have written it, it will start and wait for dbus to become available
[01:49] <ogra> ok
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> TeePOG, o_0
[01:49] <TeePOG> lol Kamping_Kaiser, jk
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[01:50] <ogra> cbx33, i was thinking to llok if a session bus is avaliable first ... but i'm not completely awake yet
[01:50] <cbx33> ogra: http://pastebin.ca/178586
[01:50] <ogra> then it wouldnt work on non dbus dependent windowmanagers ... so tht was not a good idea :)
[01:51] <cbx33> that was after logging in and out on two clients
[01:51] <ogra> the dbus stuff there seems like a bug in the dbus-launcher
[01:52] <cbx33> ogra: see ;)
[01:52] <ogra> gnome-vfs and bonobo should both die without dbus ...
[01:52] <cbx33> indeed
[01:53] <cbx33> so ogra what do we do
[01:54] <TeePOG> tell me, is there no option to get webmin on ubuntu?
[01:56] <ogra> cbx33, give me some time to wake up ... i would justify the dbus stuff as RC and i think i can convince mdz that it is :) so lets concentrate on the scp-client ...
[01:57] <cbx33> ok
[01:57] <cbx33> sorry ogra
[01:57] <ogra> dont feel sorry all the time :)
[01:58] <ogra> we're at a good status ...
[01:58] <ogra> i fixed most of the artwrok stuff (i think)
[01:58] <cbx33> really ?
[01:58] <ogra> ltsp is in shape ...
[01:58] <cbx33> dude you rock......
[01:58] <cbx33> I'm really sorry about yesterday...just so many things went wrong
[01:58] <ogra> no its fine ...
[01:58] <cbx33> guinea pig , computer, lisas pc.....grrr
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> its in the repos. why?
[01:59] <ogra> gdm needed something ... i hope my theme is bearable
[01:59] <ogra> i did it this morning around 4am and couldnt even look out of my eyes anymore
[01:59] <ogra> but minor changes will be allowed
[01:59] <ogra> so we have a base to work on
[02:00] <ogra> ldm has a new theme as well
[02:00] <cbx33> ok, I'm sure it will be more than bearable
[02:00] <cbx33> when you said there was feedback on the artwork...I thought you meant people hated it
[02:00] <cbx33> :S
[02:00] <ogra> upgrade and give feedback ;)
[02:00] <cbx33> as you dissapeared after that
[02:00] <cbx33> ok....upgrading now
[02:01] <cbx33> oh, I tried to install and use edubuntu from the CD current today
[02:01] <cbx33> had a problem with tftp
[02:01] <cbx33> is that know about?
[02:01] <ogra> we somehow turned into "yellow ubuntu" with all this orange and yellow in the themes
[02:01] <ogra> nope
[02:01] <ogra> i'll rsync my isos now, havent looked yet
[02:01] <cbx33> it was a fresh install done exactly how I normally do it....
[02:01] <cbx33> ok
[02:01] <cbx33> I'll upgrade and checkout the new artwork
[02:02] <ogra> but if it keeps us from installing correctly, its a release critical bug :)
[02:02] <ogra> did you find out what the tftp prob was ?
[02:02] <cbx33> no....I'm going to upgrade and check it out again
[02:02] <cbx33> I am here testing it as we speak
[02:03] <ogra> what was the symptom ?
[02:03] <cbx33> it said it couldn't load bootfile
[02:03] <ogra> did you check if /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 is filled ?
[02:04] <ogra> and was that a plain new install or an upgrade ?
[02:04] <cbx33> plain install from the 21 cd.....
[02:04] <cbx33> was from the live cd
[02:04] <ogra> ok
[02:04] <ogra> aha
[02:04] <ogra> well
[02:04] <ogra> thats not supposed to have any ltsp bits
[02:04] <cbx33> ahhh...ok
[02:04] <cbx33> sorry dude
[02:04] <cbx33> didn't mean to worry you
[02:04] <cbx33> wish I'd have known
[02:05] <jsgotangco> ?
[02:05] <ogra> it never was :)
[02:05] <cbx33> oh poop
[02:05] <cbx33> ogra: so what is left to change on scp-client?
[02:05] <cbx33> apart from the simple fix
[02:05] <ogra> and i must admit i never really cared heavily for the liveCD  ... its a nice to have ... but my main focus is the install cd
[02:05] <cbx33> ok
[02:06] <cbx33> I found a bug in ubiquity yesterday....hope it's fixed in edgy
[02:06] <ogra> well, we need to find out why these processes are left hanging around ...
[02:06] <cbx33> I couldn't select a swap partition
[02:06] <cbx33> yes
[02:06] <cbx33> they are not getting sent a signal to close.....or if they are I don;t know what signal it is
[02:07] <ogra> well, the ldm code mdz wrote back then is somewhat half breeded, you usually dont use kill $PPID
[02:08] <ogra> the right way would be to have PreSession.d and PostSession.d dirs on the server for ldm ... but thats edgy+1 material
[02:08] <TeePOG> don't you love it when support people are fscking useless?
[02:08] <cbx33> ogra: right....
[02:08] <ogra> so lets find te cleanest workaround for it :)
[02:08] <cbx33> inthe meantime
[02:08] <cbx33> I was thinking when it starts up....could we grab it's parent ID
[02:08] <cbx33> then if that gets killed......kill ourself?
[02:09] <ogra> for scp ?
[02:09] <ogra> sounds good
[02:09] <cbx33> yes
[02:09] <cbx33> hmm....the only thing is
[02:09] <cbx33> sitting there checking for a running process every...??how long
[02:09] <cbx33> isn't that going to introduce lag?
[02:10] <cbx33> it would be nice to have some kind of signal handler for it....but I'm not advanced enough at python to do it..
[02:10] <cbx33> only way I know how is a gobject timer.....or.....what about a thread?
[02:10] <cbx33> pygi.....if you know of a better way please shout :p
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> how bizare. 2 (i thought) identical boxes, both connect to same server, one drops to dash, one boots to login screen o_0
[02:13] <pygi> cbx33: what? when? what?!
[02:13] <cbx33> hehe....read up...
[02:13] <cbx33> I need to poll at regular intervals to see if my parent process has been kill....and if so..commit suicide
[02:13] <cbx33> what's the best way to run the poller inpython?
[02:14] <cbx33> the only way I have used is a gboject time
[02:14] <cbx33> r
[02:14] <cbx33> but could a thread do it?
[02:14] <cbx33> what do you suggest?
[02:15] <pygi> cbx33: can't we make that a parent process report itself (its status) to a children  when it's shutting down?
[02:15] <cbx33> unfortunately not this time round
[02:15] <cbx33> we have to make our changes to scp....
[02:15] <cbx33> that will be addressed in due time
[02:16] <pygi> ah,  oki, then what you and ogra said above is fine by me
[02:16] <pygi> just choose some sane interval
[02:16] <cbx33> and use gboject?
[02:16] <cbx33> for the timer?
[02:16] <pygi> you can, yes
[02:17] <cbx33> ok....
[02:17] <cbx33> I'll try that out now
[02:17] <pygi> but for edgy+1 we should do it the way I suggested above
[02:17] <cbx33> we have already thought of that
[02:17] <pygi> good, that means I was completely useless now :)
[02:17] <cbx33> going afk for a while to finish this off and to test it
[02:18] <cbx33> no it doesn't
[02:18] <pygi> go finish it :)
[02:18] <cbx33> I will
[02:21] <pygi> hey ho Yagisan
[02:21] <Yagisan> G'day pygi
[02:21] <pygi> what's up? :)
[02:22] <Yagisan> pygi, upgrading to edgy
[02:22] <cbx33> Yagisan: I now have a 4200 X2 AMD processor ;)
[02:22] <Yagisan> watching system have "issues"
[02:22] <pygi> Yagisan: ehm, ehm :)
[02:22] <Yagisan> cbx33, need a mailing address to ship it too :P
[02:22] <pygi> cbx33: you bought that so you could run Windows under Xen, admit it, admit it :)))
[02:23] <cbx33> I bought it so I can do quicker beta testing and more dev work ;)
[02:23] <Yagisan> I mean, come on - "ILLEGAL EXTENDED X86 OPCODE" messages from the kernel can't be right
[02:23] <pygi> Yagisan: lol, indeeed
[02:23] <cbx33> unfortunately, my nice new GeForce 7300 GT OC - is recognised by dapper as an ATI card
[02:24] <pygi> yup, you told that yesterday
[02:24] <cbx33> :(
[02:26] <pygi> ogra: I released libburn 0.2.2 yesterday :)
[02:27] <cbx33> ogra: that new artwork is Seeeeexxyy!
[02:27] <cbx33> you rock
[02:27] <pygi> Hopefully we'll be able to base our implementation on 0.2.4 tho ^_^
[02:29] <cbx33> Bon Echo?
[02:30] <pygi> cbx33: ? :)
[02:31] <lguerra> ogra ping
[02:32] <cbx33> firefox is now called bon echo....according tto my new edgy upgrade ;)
[02:33] <pygi> cbx33: ah, yes
[02:34] <pygi> and 3.x is something bomb related, forgot what exactly
[02:34] <pygi> jsgotangco: hehe :)
[02:37] <lguerra> highvoltage you give me some minutes in #ubuntu-cl?
[02:41] <pygi> wb Burgwork
[02:41] <lguerra> My English very is not flowed and wanted to speak you about the translation of the drupal without bothering the other people
[02:42] <TeePOG> hi again
[02:43] <ogra> lguerra, pong
[02:44] <lguerra> hi ogra
[02:44] <ogra> hey
[02:45] <lguerra> ogra, you give me some minutes in #ubuntu-cl? My English very is not flowed and wanted to speak you about the translation of the drupal without bothering the other people
[02:45] <ogra> i have nothing to do with drupal/webpage issues ...
[02:46] <ogra> pips1 woud be your best bet for that i think
[02:46] <lguerra> and about other matters that I have in Colombia and itself not to whom to resort
[02:47] <jsgotangco> regarding edubuntu???
[02:48] <ogra> as long as its related to ltsp, the CD isos or edubuntu packages i can help you ... but beyond that others come in
[02:49] <lguerra> In Colombia is celebrated in the UCPR the symposium of enseabilidad of the informatica and for this ocasion they have invited us.  The university this interested in which we show something and that we carry some people that speak about its experiences with software free.
[02:50] <lguerra> jsgotangco, yes
[02:50] <cbx33> ogra: done :D
[02:51] <lguerra> translation is about drupal's edubuntu
[02:51] <ogra> cbx33, dnoe ?
[02:51] <cbx33> I'll send you the files in an email
[02:51] <jsgotangco> lguerra: we don't have the translation modules built in i think
[02:51] <cbx33> that's what I said isn't it ;)
[02:51] <ogra> you mean it dies with the session now ?
[02:51] <ogra> YAY
[02:51] <cbx33> it should do
[02:51] <ogra> cbx33, you rock ! :)
[02:51] <cbx33> just about to test it
[02:52] <lguerra> jsgotangco, http://www.ubuntu-cl.org/Wiki/TraduccionEdubuntuOrg/PaginasPorTraducir please
[02:53] <lguerra> highvoltage had knowledge of the theme
[02:54] <highvoltage> I deny having knowledge of anything!
[02:54] <highvoltage> hi lguerra :)
[02:54] <lguerra> hi highvoltage
[02:54] <lguerra> ahhhhhhhh me da piedra no hacerme entender :(
[02:54] <lguerra> P3L|C4N0, me puedes ayudar?
[02:55] <highvoltage> just got back at the office, okay I'll join #ubuntu-cl
[02:57] <willvdl> highvoltage, habla espanol?
[02:58] <willvdl> ola RichEd
[02:58] <RichEd> 1) where's the doc overview page you did ? the theory ?
[02:59] <RichEd> and 2) is there an advocay wiki review page ?
[02:59] <willvdl> 1) is on canonical wiki under WillVanDerLeij
[03:00] <willvdl> 2) not as far as I can tell.
[03:00] <willvdl> Haven't put anything in since I wanted to give you a chance to look around after yesterday's meeting and last night's wiki session
[03:01] <RichEd> Are you happy that the WillVanDerLeij moves to wiki.ubuntu ?
[03:01] <willvdl> absolutely. needs an update anyway
[03:01] <RichEd> Or would you like to do a trim version ?
[03:01] <willvdl> where do you want to put it?
[03:01] <RichEd> check this out ... https://wiki.edubuntu.org/education and follow the planning link at the bottom of the page
[03:02] <willvdl> looked at it this morning
[03:02] <willvdl> looking again quick
[03:02] <willvdl> ew. slow today
[03:03] <RichEd> not at all the same as this morning ...
[03:03] <willvdl> ooh, quite a bit more
[03:04] <highvoltage> willvdl: no igualar una palabra
[03:04] <cbx33> ogra: dude it works....
[03:04] <cbx33> and I think it is a pretty sexy workaround ;)
[03:04] <cbx33> 10 second poller
[03:04] <cbx33> I'll get the files to you asap
[03:04] <ogra> great
[03:04] <ogra> i'll upload them :)
[03:05] <willvdl> RichEd, I've been torn between wanting to:
[03:05] <RichEd> I'm busy with the profiling page now ... == Focus Point #1  == Initiative #1
[03:05] <willvdl> a) have it in edubuntu wiki
[03:05] <willvdl> b) in ubuntu marketing space
[03:06] <RichEd> -> Advocacy will be under == Focus Point #2  == Initiative #2 == Exercise #1
[03:06] <ogra> pygi, CONGRATS !
[03:07] <willvdl> yip.
[03:07] <RichEd> willvdl: I think you overall thinking page must come into our plan under : Focus Point #2 * Make contact with our Users and Stakeholders
[03:07] <jsgotangco> wooo
[03:08] <RichEd> It shows how the exercise fits with the top level objectives
[03:08] <willvdl> thinking on this
[03:08] <RichEd> The "work product" that results msut move to marketing ... but the planning is ours to give it focus ?
[03:09] <willvdl> true. kinda like a roadmap
[03:09] <RichEd> yep ... it's emerging nicely ... all initiatives or exercises must fit with a target objetive
[03:10] <RichEd> Getting a sarmie & koffie ... have a read and I'll get back  here in 5
[03:10] <willvdl> fp#2 - i#2 includes ALL documentation? handbook, advocacy, support etc?
[03:10] <willvdl> The big question is where to put what :)
[03:11] <RichEd> forums, web sites, mail lists
[03:11] <RichEd> Review Channels of Comunication = superset
[03:11] <pygi> thanks ogra ^_^
[03:11] <RichEd> Documentation = sub set
[03:11] <RichEd> Printed Documentation = sub sub set
[03:11] <pygi> congrats cbx33 also :)
[03:11] <RichEd> web Documentation = sub sub set
[03:11] <pygi> ogra: we've got packages in universe, wheee :)
[03:12] <willvdl> aha. quick phone call. back in 5
[03:12] <ogra> so there should be plenty of testing during edgy that will bring us libburn love in edgy+1 ;)
[03:13] <pygi> ogra: indeed, but for edgy+1 we'll have much better rewritten libburn with new features ^_^
[03:13] <ogra> yay
[03:13] <pygi> probably that is, I can't be sure :)
[03:13] <pygi> but all in all, it should be nice :)
[03:14] <pygi> we'll have (I hope) at least libburn 0.2.4 ready for edgy+1
[03:14] <pygi> libburn 0.3.1 (the rewrite) won't make it on time I'm afraid probably
[03:14] <pygi> ogra: you should make people test libburn, hehe :)
[03:16] <ogra> i will :)
[03:17] <cbx33> ogra: just pbuilding
[03:17] <cbx33> I have tested here....
[03:17] <cbx33> it should be fine
[03:17] <cbx33> if you have an LTSP environment...I would really appreciate a quick test
[03:17] <cbx33> I sdon;t have one here
[03:19] <ogra> have a look at /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/qemu-ltsp ;)
[03:19] <ogra> you dont need a client
[03:19] <ogra> we have virtualization now
[03:20] <cbx33> well put it this way....that's what my new machine at home is for
[03:20] <cbx33> I'm at work yet
[03:21] <ogra> ah
[03:21] <cbx33> heheh
[03:21] <cbx33> i'll be going home soon
[03:21] <pygi> ogra: yay, nice :)
[03:23] <TeePOG> personally I use VMWare player
[03:23] <pygi> cbx33: we should hold BOF on future SCP development if we both manage to go to UDS (/me very much doubts about himself tho :P)  ^_^
[03:25] <pygi> hey bddebian ;)
[03:27] <bddebian> Morning pygi
[03:27] <pygi> libburn in universe ^_^
[03:27] <bddebian> pygi: I just saw the upload.  Nice! :-)
[03:29] <pygi> uh, Ante messed description for libburn-doc :)
[03:30] <bddebian> :-)
[03:30] <pygi> how can a documentation be a library ^_^
[03:31] <pygi> ah, well :)
[03:32] <willvdl> RichEd, minor point but we should make education -> Education
[03:33] <Yagisan> thanks to whoever put the dnsmasq sample in the docs
[03:33] <Yagisan> you made my migration easier :)
[03:33] <cbx33> ok i made a mistake I need some help quick
[03:33] <RichEd> willvdl: ? you mean the page name ? capitalised ?
[03:33] <cbx33> from a ps output....
[03:33] <willvdl> yip
[03:33] <cbx33> i need the first number
[03:33] <cbx33> ie the id number
[03:34] <cbx33> my problem is they sometimes start with a space
[03:34] <cbx33> with grep how can I specify anumbver of spaces
[03:34] <cbx33> like grep "^(anynumber ofspaces) 987"
[03:34] <cbx33> is it possible
[03:35] <willvdl> it is, something like (^W.
[03:35] <pygi> bddebian: you on edgy right now?
[03:36] <cbx33> willvdl: nothin
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> https://wiki.edubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams <-anyone else get a security warning?
[03:36] <willvdl> my regexp is rusty
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> and should that be com or org?
[03:36] <willvdl> maybe need to specify regexp on commandline to grep?
[03:37] <RichEd> willvdl: explain your view of the case & naming convention ... to me wiki.ubuntu.com/education could be a page, or a subdirectory loading a default page inside.
[03:37] <rodarvus> Kamping_Kaiser, yes, you are supposed to get a security warning if you use edubuntu.com
[03:37] <rodarvus> use edubuntu.org
[03:37] <rodarvus> or ubuntu.com
[03:37] <cbx33> w00t
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> rodarvus, not if you visit ubuntu.com actually - hte cert is made to the rigth site
[03:37] <rodarvus> (rationale: we have a certificate for edubuntu.org, the official domain, but not for edubuntu.com
[03:37] <cbx33> oh no
[03:38] <cbx33> that' snot it
[03:38] <knixtech> ha you said "snot"
[03:38] <knixtech> ^_^
[03:38] <pygi> knixtech: !?
[03:38] <cbx33> knixtech: lol - but now is not the time
[03:38] <cbx33> :p
[03:38] <knixtech> srry
[03:38] <cbx33> hehehe
[03:38] <RichEd> so I felt it was better to use a standard convention, and not just a wiki subset view ... users may be used to other url formats,and I myself would never mix cases when I type in a url ...
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> another question (same page https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams ) - are all these understood by dapper or edgy? the dapper link has bugger all options
[03:40] <ogra> they are from breezy
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[03:40] <ogra> i'll set up a new page for edgy that will list the tons of new options we have now
[03:40] <cbx33> got it
[03:40] <ogra> but all of them should be understood by dapper as well
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks ogra , i'll try using them.
[03:41] <ogra> its just that dapper adds new ones, but we didnt drop the breezy ones
[03:41] <juliux> ogra, my knot3 edubuntu installation hangs all the time during building ltsp chroot
[03:41] <ogra> juliux, can you check on tty4 what its doing
[03:41] <juliux> yes
[03:41] <ogra> ok
[03:42] <ogra> it will time out after ~5-10min
[03:42] <juliux> ok i will wait
[03:42] <ogra> i wasnt aware its still there, will look into it
[03:42] <ogra> can you file a but and assign it to me ?
[03:42] <juliux> sure
[03:42] <ogra> so i can mark it as release critial
[03:42] <juliux> no its going on
[03:42] <juliux> now
[03:43] <ogra> good
[03:43] <willvdl> Sorry RichEd, I'll pop it in a mail
[03:43] <willvdl> was on phone
[03:43] <RichEd> np
[03:43] <RichEd> msg window is fine
[03:44] <juliux> ogra, which package should i use ?
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> is the file case sensitive?
[03:44] <ogra> portmaop
[03:47] <lguerra> highvoltage, ping
[03:48] <juliux> ogra, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/portmap/+bug/61668 i cannt assige it to you
[03:48] <lguerra> highvoltage, my email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>sorry
[03:49] <juliux> ogra, if found the assign to option;)
[03:49] <ogra> done
[03:49] <cbx33> ogra: i had a problem
[03:50] <cbx33> fixed
[03:50] <cbx33> just testing
[03:50] <ogra> good
[03:53] <juliux> yes the next stop, the installer tries to search on the mirror but i have no internet connection ;)
[03:55] <cbx33> ogra: sent
[03:55] <ogra> thanks
[03:57] <lguerra> jsgotangco: When it would be able to know that sucedo with that business about the official recognition for the girls of the school?
[03:59] <cbx33> ogra: does it look ok?
[04:01] <ogra> urgh ... you should have made it a -0ubuntuX version
[04:02] <ogra> to indicate we only fix bugs on top of the upstream version
[04:02] <pygi> ogra: aren't we the upstream in this case? :)
[04:03] <ogra> right
[04:03] <ogra> my mistake ... indeed we are
[04:03] <sbalneav> Morning ogra.
[04:03] <pygi> hey sbalneav, libburn is universe ^_^
[04:03] <sbalneav> Commenting out the kill -HUP esd did indeed fix the problem.
[04:04] <sbalneav> pygi: Congrats!  Are you a motu now?
[04:04] <ogra> sbalneav, yeah
[04:04] <sbalneav> ogra: Anything else you need me to test/help with?
[04:04] <pygi> sbalneav: nah, not my package, I just bugged people :) Told you I can't be motu before I get my keys signed
[04:05] <ogra> somehow the ubuntu and debian versions behave differently wrt -HUP
[04:05] <ogra> sbalneav, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/portmap/+bug/61668
[04:05] <sbalneav> ogra: sound still works when a different user logs in?
[04:05] <ogra> if oyu have an idea how to make netstat timeout faster, that would be very helpful
[04:05] <ogra> sbalneav, i would think so ... havent tested ...
[04:06] <sbalneav> k, gimme a minute to read the bug.
[04:06] <ogra> else we need to properly stop and then start it again from ldm
[04:06] <sbalneav> How are you calling the netstat?
[04:06] <ogra> no idea
[04:06] <ogra> the postinst of portmap does it
[04:07] <sbalneav> Ah.
[04:07] <sbalneav> They're probably calling like -ap instead of anp and it's trying to do a DNS lookup.
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> is X_MOUSE_DEVICE implimented yet? :S i might need it for a serial mouse
[04:09] <sbalneav> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, it should preseed that setting.
[04:09] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, yes
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks.
[04:10] <ogra> but it doesnt preseed it
[04:10] <ogra> an i think inputattach (what we use to map it to /dev/input/mice) needs the protocol in any case
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> does it take /dev/ or 'ps2' type argument?
[04:11] <ogra> no
[04:11] <ogra> ps2 is autodetected
[04:11] <ogra> it takes /dev/ttySX and the protocol
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta
[04:11] <ogra> X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL
[04:12] <ogra> man inputattach should show all protocols it knows
[04:14] <ogra> cbx33, scp-client doesnt start for me in ltsp
[04:14] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, well, our use of inputattach as backend isnt documented very well
[04:15] <cbx33> ogra: whaaaa?
[04:15] <cbx33> LTSP_CLIENT should be equal to ltsp right ?
[04:15] <ogra> nope
[04:15] <ogra> never
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, i havent looked at much doco yet, - the install worked so well i havent had to untill just now (i'm trying to get 'perfect' boot happening for me)
[04:15] <cbx33> it was on dapper
[04:15] <ogra> just check if its not empty
[04:16] <ogra> nope
[04:16] <ogra> it was set to the hostname of the client
[04:16] <cbx33> shute
[04:16] <ogra> which in dapper defaulted to ltsp
[04:16] <cbx33> ok, I have 10 minutes
[04:17] <cbx33> then have to leave and my laptop is shutdown....
[04:17] <cbx33> I'll do my best dude
[04:17] <ogra> if not os.getenv('LTSP_CLIENT'):
[04:17] <ogra>     sys.exit(0)
[04:17] <cbx33> sorry
[04:17] <cbx33> yes
[04:17] <ogra> ^^^ that *should* work
[04:17] <ogra> (untested)
[04:18] <cbx33> can u try it quickly there?
[04:18] <cbx33> then I can rebuild pacakge
[04:18] <sbalneav> ogra: I'm going to tear apart the portmap package now, see what it's up to.
[04:19] <ogra> sbalneav, ta
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks for that folks. got plenty to search up tomorrow :)
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll see you then :)
[04:20] <ogra> cbx33, the above code seems to work
[04:20] <cbx33> ok
[04:20] <cbx33> just rebuiding
[04:20] <ogra> just tested it
[04:20] <cbx33> you're AMAZING ! !!
[04:21] <ogra> sbalneav, gah, doesnt work for the second user, youre right
[04:21] <ogra> sh*t
[04:23] <sbalneav> k, we've got a patch to apply for that.
[04:23] <sbalneav> It's some kind of whacky authentication mechanism that ESD tries to use.
[04:24] <sbalneav> So, you can either apply the patch, or, I suppose, kill and restart esd, whichever is easiest for you to sneak in.
[04:24] <RichEd> sbalneav: I missed your ping last night ... give me a holler when and if you still want to chat :)
[04:25] <pygi> RichEd: when do we continue? :)
[04:27] <cbx33> ogra: ignore email.....did redo the orig . tar
[04:27] <juliux> cbx33, great sound during the edubunut start!
[04:28] <RichEd> pygi: I've made a wiki home for the overall planning exercise ... and the country profile is the next activity to add for discussion after I do the user categories ... give me a few minutes to wrap up a conversation and I will share with you
[04:29] <cbx33> ogra: done and dusted
[04:29] <cbx33> I have to go home
[04:30] <cbx33> ty juliux
[04:30] <cbx33> needs polish
[04:31] <pygi> RichEd: uh, I won't be here in few mins :(
[04:31] <pygi> gotta run now
[04:32] <RichEd> okay tomorrow then ...
[04:32] <RichEd> still busy
[04:32] <juliux> hm there is no timeout on the dapper cd
[04:32] <cbx33> bye all
[04:33] <juliux> cu cbx33
[04:33] <sbalneav> ogra: What version of portmap's in edgy?
[04:34] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~/devel/edgy-ltsp$ apt-cache show portmap|grep Version
[04:34] <ogra> Version: 5-20
[04:48] <rodarvus> I think portmap 5 is used by all linux distributions since seven or eight years ago
[04:48] <rodarvus> (but I might be wrong, of course)
[04:49] <cbx33> hey !
[04:49] <cbx33> ogra: are we good on that package now?
[04:50] <cbx33> willvdl: any news on ESA?
[04:51] <willvdl> yip.
[04:51] <willvdl> have a look at RichEd's planning https://wiki.edubuntu.org/education
[04:52] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/education/planning rather
[04:52] <willvdl> fp #2 is the meat for us
[04:53] <cbx333> grrr.
[04:55] <cbx333> right, I'm off.....bbl, hopefully on my new PC, if it doesn't think my new graphics card is an ATI again
[04:55] <cbx333> did anyone see that mail on the ML about meeting notes/minutes ?
[04:55] <cbx333> erk....time to go
[04:55] <willvdl> yeah
[05:01] <sbalneav> ogra: I can't see where portmap's doing a netstat.  it IS doing an rpcinfo -p, but only after portmap starts.  Maybe, because of the chroot, portmap doesn't start, because it IS already running on the host machine, and this causes the problem?
[05:02] <ogra> hmm, might be
[05:02] <ogra> so we should be fine if we add a check for /etc/ltsp_chroot and dont do the rpcinf run then
[05:03] <sbalneav> And therefore, the rpcinfo sits and hangs.
[05:03] <ogra> can you find out *why* it needs that rpcinfo call ? does anything break if we remove it ?
[05:03] <sbalneav> Yes, that would work.  Hold on, let me check.
[05:04] <ogra> (hint) edit /var/cache/dpkg/info/portmap.postinst and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure portmap to test it ;)
[05:04] <ogra> sorry, the dev meeting started, freeze is in progress now ... need to attend
[05:04] <ogra> sbalneav, you might want to lurk and correct me if i say something wrong about the hackfest ;)
[05:05] <sbalneav> I've got my own meeting to attend to in 20 minutes, but I'll lurk as long as I can.
[05:05] <ogra> ok, thanks
[05:05] <sbalneav> ogra: As far as I can see, it's just printing out status information.  It's at the bottom of the postinst file.
[05:05] <sbalneav> I'd just hoze it, personally.
[05:06] <sbalneav> In -meeting now.
[05:06] <ogra> it wasnt there in dapper
[05:07] <ogra> hmm
[05:07] <ogra> portmap is actually not installed in a chroot
[05:07] <ogra> its installed on the server side as dependency of nfs-kernel-server
[05:12] <lguerra> ogra: You consider that is possible to reuse some plot VERY old to mount a laboratory with edubuntu for a school of basica primary?  You plot them do not they exceed pentium 100
[05:12] <ogra> with edgy something like PI 133Mhz with at least 32MB ram should work as ltsp clients
[05:14] <lguerra> ogra: DD is obligatory?
[05:14] <ogra> DD ?
[05:19] <sbalneav> ogra, i have to run off to my own meeting now.
[05:20] <sbalneav> I'll be back later.
[05:21] <ogra> ciao
[05:21] <ogra> thanks for the help :=
[05:21] <ogra> :)
[05:26] <lguerra> ogra: HD sorry, i think in spanish Disco Duro :P
[05:27] <ogra> ltsp clients dont need a disk, no
[05:27] <ogra> but they need to be able to netboot and you need one powerful server
[05:27] <ogra> its perfect for such kind of hardware
[05:28] <lguerra> ogra: ok, i can test the edgy at this lab and report bugs
[05:28] <ogra> that would be great ! :)
[05:30] <lguerra> Where I can obtain a manual of installation of edgy (and edgy iso cd images) or is identical to dapper?
[05:31] <ogra> nope, its different .... best would be to wait for tomorrows iso, we did some major bugfix work today that will be included there
[05:31] <ogra> isos are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/
[05:32] <lguerra> oks,
[05:32] <ogra> 20060922 will contain todays fixes
[05:32] <ogra> make sure the server has two network cards, then everything should work automagically
[05:33] <willvdl> ping highvoltage
[05:34] <lguerra> ogra, i need start the clients with floppy, any special image?
[05:34] <ogra> a netbootable one ;)
[05:37] <ogra> lguerra, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe
[05:39] <lguerra> ogra: tks
[06:30] <willvdl> cheers all. see you in the morning
[07:21] <EmxBA> hi
[08:03] <paolob> Hi ogra! what about the package gnome-power-manager with the no-hibernate patch? is it available? thank you!
[08:04] <sbalneav> ogra: ping, still awake?
[08:59] <cbx33> hi all
[08:59] <LaserJock> cbx33!
[09:00] <cbx33> quick question...I'm just about to finish installing my shiney new dapper system
[09:00] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[09:00] <cbx33> can I just copy my home area fro mthe old one, so that things like thunderbird etc are all setup
[09:00] <cbx33> LaserJock: hi dude
[09:00] <LaserJock> what were using before?
[09:01] <cbx33> dapper
[09:01] <cbx33> my proc and mobo died
[09:01] <cbx33> I hve just bought a new one
[09:01] <cbx33> well birthday present
[09:01] <cbx33> ;)
[09:01] <cbx33> AMD 4200 X2 :D
[09:01] <cbx33> my virtual machines should fly now ;)
[09:03] <cbx33> anyone still here?
[09:03] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:03] <cbx33> heheh
[09:03] <LaserJock> I think it would be fine
[09:03] <cbx33> do I have to do something to get dual core working?
[09:04] <cbx33> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0393 (rev a1) my new graphics card isn't supported
[09:04] <cbx33> just resdtaring now
[09:04] <cbx33> brb
[09:09] <cbx33> hey I'm back
[09:12] <cbx33> do I have to do anything special to get dual core working?
[09:14] <Burgwork> cbx33, shouldn't
[09:14] <Burgwork> LaserJock, ok, that boys and girls club computer survey is pretty funny
[09:14] <cbx33> Burgwork, thanks
[09:14] <cbx33> anyway I can confirm its using both cores?
[09:15] <cbx33> and to setup my new nvidia card
[09:15] <Rondom> Burgwork: I also want to laugh
[09:15] <Burgwork> no diea
[09:15] <cbx33> do I just apt-get install nvidia-glx?
[09:16] <Burgwork> I think so
[09:16] <gnomefreak> thats the driver
[09:17] <cbx33> i need the kernel module too right?
[09:17] <cbx33> and then run the enable thingy
[09:17] <gnomefreak> cbx33: change the X config file to use nvidia
[09:17] <cbx33> you recommend doing that manually?
[09:17] <gnomefreak> cbx33: no need for the enable thing
[09:17] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:17] <gnomefreak> cbx33: dapper the enable command was hit or miss
[09:17] <cbx33> last time it made my xorg config think I had an ATI card seriously
[09:17] <cbx33> definitely
[09:18] <gnomefreak> im kind of liking xorg-edit
[09:18] <gnomefreak> 3rd aprty crap though
[09:19] <cbx33> ah
[09:19] <gnomefreak> party
[09:19] <gnomefreak> its a pretty gui for your xorg.conf file
[09:19] <cbx33> nice
[09:21] <Burgwork> however, it exposes too much of the xorg.conf in the UI
[09:21] <Burgwork> it doesn't really deal with the issue
[09:23] <LaserJock> Burgwork: what survey?
[09:25] <Burgwork> LaserJock, you on edubuntu-devel?
[09:25] <LaserJock> ML?
[09:25] <Burgwork> yep
[09:26] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:26] <LaserJock> let me go look
[09:26] <cbx33> Burgwork, hahaHAHAHA
[09:27] <cbx33> wow add a good deal of profanity and that's what our schools result would be
[09:27] <LaserJock> lol
[09:28] <cbx33> sorry Burgwork
[09:28] <Burgwork> no worries
[09:29] <cbx33> well, someone said if I do cat /proc/cpuinfo I should see 2 cpus
[09:29] <cbx33> I don;t
[09:35] <cbx33> #I'm back !!!!
[09:35] <cbx33> mwuhaha
[09:35] <cbx33> so LaserJock you think just copying my home across should work?
[09:36] <LaserJock> sure, why not?
[09:36] <LaserJock> I do it all the time
[09:36] <cbx33> heheh ok
[09:36] <cbx33> they are both pretty much upto date
[09:36] <LaserJock> I used to do it distro to distro
[09:37] <cbx33> ok cool
[09:37] <cbx33> I have nvidia working
[09:37] <cbx33> last thing is this kernel business
[09:38] <cbx33> bbl
[10:07] <Yagisan> hmm
[10:07] <Yagisan> Setting up ltspfs (0.4.3-0ubuntu1) ...
[10:07] <Yagisan> dpkg: error processing ltspfs (--configure):
[10:07] <Yagisan>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[10:07] <Yagisan> ^^
[10:07] <Yagisan> Known bug ??
[10:13] <sbalneav> Yagisan: Hm
[10:13] <sbalneav> ltspfs or ltspfsd?
[10:13] <Yagisan> ltspfs
[10:14] <sbalneav> Could you file a bug?
[10:14] <sbalneav> I'll have a look at it tonight.
[10:16] <Yagisan> sbalneav, can't right now (I'm suppossed to be in an exam)
[10:16] <sbalneav> When you get a chance, that'd be great.
[10:20] <Yagisan> sbalneav, it's Bug #61738
[10:21] <sbalneav> Got it
[10:21] <sbalneav> Thanks.
[10:21] <sbalneav> Hopefully we'll have an update tomorrow.
[10:27] <Yagisan> sbalneav, thanks mate
[10:27] <Yagisan> sbalneav, this worries me more -> jamie@doomguy:~/COIT12170_Data_Comms$ *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin terminated
[11:44] <cbx33> hi LaserJock
[11:44] <pygi> cbx33: !!!
[11:44] <cbx33> hey pygi
[11:45] <pygi> hi cbx33, how is you?
[11:45] <pygi> fixed everything? :)
[11:45] <cbx33> i did indeed
[11:45] <pygi> nice, congrats
[11:46] <cbx33> can I mount an lvm disk from within ubuntu
[11:46] <cbx33> I have a disk which has some stuff on it
[11:46] <cbx33> and I need to get it off
[11:46] <cbx33> it was written as an lvm group
[12:03] <cbx33> dude this new PC IS DA BOMB !!!!!
[12:06] <LaserJock> heh


[10:01] <alourie> good morning
[10:26] <buxy> Hi, who is behind all the latest twitter/Ubuntu_OS stuff on facebook/twitter/identi.ca?
[10:29] <alourie> buxy: what kind of stuff? There are many things going on there...
[10:31] <buxy> alourie: the new @Ubuntu_OS on twitter, the new @ubuntuos on identi.ca, the facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Twitter-Ubuntu_OS/160745310624742 that got promoted on the main ubuntulinux page
[10:32] <buxy> BTW who is responsible/admin on the official facebook page http://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux
[10:49] <buxy> ALso it's not clear where is the place to be if you want to interact with the team
[10:49] <buxy> Reading https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2010-October/001186.html mentions moving to stuff hosted on @gmail.com for mailing lists ??
[11:07] <alourie> I think Amber (akgraner) should answer some of these questions
[11:07] <alourie> but she's probably sleeping now
[11:07] <alourie> or busy with UDS
[16:28] <akgraner> Hi all
[16:28] <akgraner> buxy great questions
[16:28] <akgraner> I don't know who is behind that particular twitter feed you are referring to
[16:32] <akgraner> buxy, no we have some gmail emails until we can get the ubuntu.com ones in place but we don't really ask people to send to them..  (prob need to pull that from the documentation til that gets sorted)
[16:35] <akgraner> Oh crap the wrong email for the team is on that mailing list
[16:35] <alourie> hi Amber!
[16:35] <akgraner> alourie, hey
[16:35] <akgraner> If someone can check the wiki page to make sure the team mailing list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>that would be great
[16:36] <akgraner> the only gmail one that should have been listed was the editor one - sigh
[16:38] <alourie> akgraner: on which wiki page? On the current issue?
[16:38] <akgraner> alourie, news team wiki  - NewsTeam and UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter
[16:39] <akgraner> I'll check in a few just in the middle of something atm
[16:40] <alourie> UWN wiki page doesn't have it
[16:41] <akgraner> one sec
[16:41] <alourie> so I must be missing something
[16:41] <akgraner> nope you're correct
[16:41] <akgraner> Oh these wikis need to be fixed :-)
[16:45] <akgraner> hey guys -  who is up for looking through issue 215 and seeing what should go into General Community News
[16:46] <akgraner> highvoltage, :-)
[16:46] <akgraner> ^^^^
[16:46] <alourie> akgraner: note that UDS is coming? :-)
[16:46] <alourie> or, rather began...
[16:46] <Pendulum> akgraner: I can after this session
[16:59] <akgraner> alourie, I just had to tend to something else yesterday so I am a day behind :-/
[16:59] <akgraner> UGH
[17:37]  * highvoltage takes a look
[17:37]  * highvoltage also just found out that his US visa got approved (if only it could have happened a week earlier!)
[17:38] <highvoltage> eek, I'm being called (brb)


[10:18] <rmg51> Morning
[10:46] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:33] <pvl1> morning
[13:25] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[20:00] <InHisName> jthan: did an answer surface for you?
[20:11] <pvl1> lol
[20:11] <pvl1> so what desktop managers do you guys use
[20:13] <waltman> windowmaker
[20:13]  * waltman <- old school
[20:46] <pvl1> never seen it
[22:11] <jthan> InHisName: not really. I was just curious how anyone liked them.