[00:33] <dcordes> a pity nobody is able to help
[00:33] <dcordes> wondering if this is the correct place for such question. topic recommends bugtracker but I'm not sure if the problem is not on my side.
[00:39] <michaelh1> dcordes: Hi.  Fire away.  I'm new to this but you never know :)
[00:42]  * dcordes is wondering if the channel has any logs
[00:42] <dcordes> michaelh1: hi
[00:46] <michaelh1> dcordes: what was the problem?
[00:47] <dcordes> michaelh1: in my karmic rootstock built rootfilesystem only root can make use of networking
[00:48] <michaelh1> dcordes: what do you mean 'make use of'?  Ping?  dhclient?
[00:49] <dcordes> the network is setup by networkmanager perfectly well
[00:49] <dcordes> it is a usb ether device which is in a net with dhcp server
[00:49] <dcordes> nm pulls device up and obtains ip
[00:49] <dcordes> as root I can ping and everything
[00:49] <dcordes> with the user I can do nothing
[00:51] <michaelh1> As a user, what happens if you start a shell and then run 'ifconfig'?
[00:52] <dcordes> let me check
[01:13] <dcordes> michaelh1: sorry for the delay
[01:13] <dcordes> michaelh1: I was using the network connection on different machine
[01:14] <dcordes> michaelh1: so, running ifconfig with the unprivileged user shows both interfaces as expected
[01:14] <dcordes> eth0 lo
[01:16] <michaelh1> dcordes: and eth0 has the correct IP address?  What is the address, and what is the address of your gateway?
[01:18] <dcordes> michaelh1: hehe typing from the device now
[01:18] <dcordes> ipv6
[01:21] <michaelh1> Sorry, what do you mean by 'ipv6'?
[01:25] <dcordes> michaelh1: inet6 address
[01:26] <dcordes> michaelh1: anyway the connection is there
[01:26] <michaelh1> And as root you can ping the gateway (or other machine), but as a user you can't?
[01:29] <dcordes> michaelh1: right
[01:34] <michaelh1> Hmm.  How about web or similar, in case ICMP is blocked for normal users
[01:34] <michaelh1> Such as 'telnet google.com 80' as root vs as the user?
[01:36] <dcordes> installing telnet
[01:36] <dcordes> new uSD card is too slow
[01:38] <dcordes> michaelh1: ok as root I can  connect with user I get Name or service not known.
[01:39] <michaelh1> dcordes: weird.  How are you switching back and forth between user and root?  Do you log in as user then sudo the root commands?
[01:40] <dcordes> yep
[01:41] <michaelh1> dcordes: extra weird.  I'm afraid that I don't know.  I assume that something is blocking user level access to the network, but I don't know what.
[01:41] <michaelh1> Sorry.
[01:41] <dcordes> hm that is the big question
[01:41] <michaelh1> One suggestion is to try an IP address instead, especially if you have a localhost service such as SSH.
[01:41] <dcordes> ok to exclude dns problem
[01:43] <dcordes> michaelh1: lol trying to ping the Gateway IP I get permission denied as user
[01:43] <michaelh1> Yip.  If you can't get a TCP connection direct to an IP then, well, ...
[01:44] <michaelh1> Not surprising.  I think Windows 7 does the same to non-priviledged accounts
[01:45] <dcordes> should I downgradde to vista ?
[01:45] <dcordes> somebody got cortex-a8 vista rootfs ?
[01:45] <dcordes> sorry ^^
[01:51] <dcordes> let's see if the problem i gone in lucid rootfs
[01:51] <dcordes> thanks.
[04:39]  * mozzwald is away: sleepytimes
[05:43]  * mozzwald is away: sleepytime
[08:15] <hrw> morning
[09:44] <zumbi> hi
[09:45] <hrw> hi zumbi
[12:04] <lool> GrueMaster: Hey there, I understand you test maverick omap3 kernels on beagles regularly; how stable is the mini-USB port for you as a host port?
[13:00] <kai> lool: there's a big difference between different beagle revisions for the kernels I tried
[13:00] <kai> lool: but arguably I didn't try kernels from maverick, just the stuff rcn-ee builds
[13:01] <ogra> kai, thats massively different :)
[13:02] <kai> ogra: I'm still sure that the fact that the same kernel behaves different on two different beagle revisions means this can happen as well for other kernels
[13:02] <ogra> indeed
[13:02] <lag> sebjan: ping
[13:03] <kai> notably, otg seems more stable on revB
[13:03] <sebjan> lag: pong
[13:03] <lag> Hi sebjan
[13:03] <lag> sebjan: bug 592295
[13:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 592295 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu) "omapdss DISPC error: SYNC_LOST_DIGIT (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592295
[13:04] <lag> I believe this to be a regression issue imposed on us by one of your colleagues
[13:04] <kai> arguably it's been running fine for quite a while now
[13:04] <ogra> lag, i belive thats the wrong package it's filed against
[13:05] <lag> sebjan: Mythri P K<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:05]  * kai re-lurks
[13:05] <ogra> should be linux-ti-omap4
[13:05] <lag> ogra: More than likely
[13:05] <lag> ogra: I didn't know that exists
[13:05] <ogra> since june 18th
[13:06] <sebjan> lag: yes, Mythri is a colleague from TI
[13:07] <lag> He commented out the shutdown code
[13:07] <lag> I believe this was a slap-dash method to get HDMI working, but it has problems
[13:08] <lag> If an HDMI device is plugged in, but not switched on the console is flooded and the system becomes inoperable
[13:10] <ogra> hmm, did OOo actually just finish on the buildd or did it just fail
[13:10]  * ogra notices it just vanished from https://edge.launchpad.net/builders
[13:11] <lag> What do you think sebjan?
[13:11] <sebjan> lag: right, this is what I understand from the bug description
[13:11] <lag> Correct
[13:11] <lag> So, would you like me to fix it, or should I contact your colleague?
[13:12] <sebjan> lag: the best would be to discuss with my colleague. I will get in touch with him and then come back to you.
[13:12] <lag> Great, thanks
[13:12] <ogra> aha, OOo failed due to openjdk issues
[13:19] <hrw> hi robclark
[13:19] <robclark> gm hrw
[13:20]  * robclark needs coffee
[14:37] <sebjan> ogra: Hi! I am looking at your u-boot-omap4 package, and am wondering how to generate various u-boot binaries from this package (corresponding to various config files for example)? Is there a nice way to do that?
[14:38] <ogra> no, saldy all ways to do that are ugly
[14:38] <ogra> i will add bits and pieces to build the 3630sdp u-boot after the alpha2 release
[14:39] <ogra> you will have to do multiple build runs to clean and reconfigure the environment
[14:39] <ogra> its pretty complex
[14:41] <berco> Is it recommended for debian packages under Ubuntu to comply with source format 3.0? http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0
[14:41] <directhex> berco, depends on how easily you want to backport them, and not really an ARM question
[14:42] <sebjan> ogra: ok... then I was thinking of making a different rules file, which run succesively (clean / configure / make / cp binary). That's not clean, but would be working, right? (I do not plan to release this package)
[14:43] <ogra> sebjan, that would work, but its gross :)
[14:43] <sebjan> ogra: or would there be another approach, not too complex that would make it also?
[14:43] <ogra> i dont know one, you will definately need multiple runs
[14:43] <berco> directhex: i'm packaging for arm platform. Original software was not using any packaging. So this is the first debianization of the source code
[14:43] <ogra> the qemu-kvm package might be an example to steal from
[14:44] <ogra> berco, up to you, really, i rarely use 3.0 for me new packages ... its definately not mandatory to use 3.0 format
[14:45] <berco> ogra: thanks. I raise this question as lintian was complaining about 1.0
[14:47] <ogra> why was it doing that ?
[14:47] <ogra> i.e. where did you define 1.0 ?
[14:47] <berco> ogra: i didn't define 1.0. I think it was just reported as a warning
[14:48] <ogra> weird
[14:48]  * ogra has never seen such a warning
[14:48] <berco> 1.0 is used by default whne no debian/source/format file
[14:49] <directhex> the warning is because the default may change in the future
[14:49] <directhex> so explicitly saying 1.0 prevents unexpected surprises
[14:50] <ogra> oh, so you got "missing-debian-source-format", not that 1.0 is wrong
[14:50] <berco> yes
[14:50] <berco> plus some message about I should use 3.0 instead
[14:51] <ogra> well, the warning will go away if you "mkdir -p debian/source && echo '1.0' > debian/source/format"
[14:52] <ogra> it will change at some point, but not now
[14:52] <ogra> no need to worry about it for the moment
[14:52] <berco> ogra: thanks for the recommandation. As with 3.0 no more .diff file is generated. Instead it is a patch file
[14:53] <ogra> yeah
[15:01] <gsnedders> So trying to cross-compile with enviroment mainly built with apt-cross, I have a build script that wants to use sdl-config, which doesn't exist there. Any idea what to do?
[15:01] <hrw> apt-cross libsdl-dev?
[15:02] <gsnedders> hrw: That doesn't give sdl-config
[15:02] <hrw> ah.. dpkg-cross drops it
[15:02] <gsnedders> Indeed
[15:03] <hrw> gsnedders: does not sdl support pkg-config?
[15:04] <gsnedders> Ah, it does
[15:05] <gsnedders> That'll work, thanks
[15:36] <lag> sebjan: Did you have any luck in speaking with Mythri?
[15:37] <sebjan> lag: yes, he shall be contacting you soon
[15:38] <lag> Brilliant, thanks for you help sebjan
[15:38] <sebjan> lag: np
[15:55] <sumitsemwal> sebjan: lag: Mythri is a lady-colleague from TI.. :)
[15:56] <sebjan> sumitsemwal: oups, I just had email contact so far... Thanks for correcting :)
[15:56] <lag> sumitsemwal: I haven't said anything to the contrary
[15:56] <lag> :)
[15:57] <sumitsemwal> sebjan: np :) - difficult to make out with our names.
[15:58] <sumitsemwal> lag: ofcourse - it was just fyi :P
[15:59] <lag> :D
[16:12] <ndec> mpoirier: hi
[16:23] <mpoirier> ndec: sorry I didn't see you ping.
[16:25] <ndec> mpoirier: no pb.
[16:26] <ndec> mpoirier: so what do you want to discuss?
[16:27] <mpoirier> why did your team selected to load syslink in upstart rather than "/etc/modules"
[16:27] <ndec> mpoirier: we didn't decide anythin yet...
[16:27] <ndec> mpoirier: i asked you the question to know what the right approach should be
[16:27] <ndec> mpoirier: and you mentioned that kernel had some automatic way to do that.
[16:28] <mpoirier> ndec: ok... but how did upstart got entangled in this then ?
[16:28] <ndec> ndec: because i thought it would do the job since i could make a script that would run right after boot
[16:29] <mpoirier> ndec: I understand.
[16:29] <ndec> mpoirier: so what do you propose? you mentioned a way to get an event from kernel? i am not sure i understand what you meant.
[16:30] <mpoirier> ndec: I was under the impression that your team had some temporary solution and was looking for the right way of doing this.
[16:30] <ndec> mpoirier: right now, our driver is built statically in the kernel, but this will change, this is why we need that.
[16:31] <mpoirier> ndec: the problem is to insert the module when the system boots.
[16:31] <ndec> mpoirier: yes
[16:31] <mpoirier> /etc/modules is generally how to do this.
[16:31] <mpoirier> from there, inserting the module  will generate uevent, which udev is listening for.
[16:31] <ndec> mpoirier: is that okay if I modify /etc/modules from a package?
[16:32] <mpoirier> good question - I will look in to that.
[16:32] <mpoirier> this is exactly why I wanted to have a live conversation with you.
[16:32] <mpoirier> once the module is installed, do you need to kick applications ?
[16:33] <mpoirier> deamon or some other program ?
[16:33] <ndec> mpoirier: potentially yes
[16:33] <mpoirier> ok.
[16:33] <mpoirier> we can do that with udev rules.
[16:33] <mpoirier> most rules already do that anyway.
[16:34] <mpoirier> I will look into  modifying /etc/modules froma package and will get back to you.
[16:35] <mpoirier> if we can, we have a solution.
[16:35] <ndec> mpoirier: ok. thx
[16:35] <mpoirier> otherwise I' keep looking.
[16:37] <sebjan> mpoirier: for my understanding, there is an init script doing some modprobes on the modules listed into /etc/modules?
[16:38] <lool> Yes, but this aint terribly good
[16:38] <lool> The better interface is udev events, especially if this is some kind of bus or device interface or device
[16:39] <lool> For instance, the ACPI BIOS parser will emit events for the various ACPI devices found with codenames and udev translates that to inserting the proper modules
[16:39] <ndec> lool: in this specific case it's a device on the platform bus.
[16:39] <lool> That also allows triggering extra things when e.g. a new bus or a new device shows up, so if you syslink needs to be scanned from userspace, that might be a better solution
[16:40] <lool> ndec: Do you have a way to detect that device?
[16:40] <ndec> lool: well, it's embedded in OMAP4, so it's always there
[16:40] <mpoirier> lool: that is what I'm after...
[16:40] <mpoirier> lool: do you think we could put it in the platform devices ?
[16:40] <lool> Hmm if it's always there, why would people want to build it as a module?
[16:41] <lool> mpoirier: That seems sensible
[16:41] <ndec> lool: because it's always there on OMAP4, not OMAP3
[16:41] <lool> ndec: always there on OMAP4 and never there on OMAP3?
[16:41] <ndec> lool: yes
[16:41] <lool> platform device might make sense indeed
[16:42] <ndec> lool: it is a platform device already in the kernel. is there an api in kernel we can use to generate those events?
[16:43] <lool> I dont know
[16:45] <ndec> lool: mpoirier: sebjan: http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/opensuse_guides/opensuse11.1_reference_guide/sec_udev_kernel.html in fact it looks like the events are generated automatically by the kernel. if I look at /var/log/udev I can see them
[16:46] <mpoirier> lool: I only used platform devices with statically linked drivers - have you experienced with modules ?
[16:46] <lool> ndec: If you're looking at creating your own udev events, I think it's the uevent API, thinks like uevent_foo add_uevent_var() and such
[16:47] <ndec> mpoirier: see above. looks like the udev event is generated automaticlly
[16:47] <lool> I'm just a kernel fanboy, I'm afraid I'm not an authoritative source for anything
[16:48] <mpoirier> ndec: I will look at your link...
[17:01] <tgardner> ndec, davidm asked me to talk to you about module loading. Have you had your questions answered ?
[17:02] <ndec> tgardner: hi. we were just discussing about this with mpoirier
[17:02] <ndec> tgardner: currently it's still not answered.
[17:03] <tgardner> ndec, I understand that you want to have a video device module loaded. Is it a probable device?
[17:03] <ndec> tgardner: i have a platform device on my h/w (OMAP4), and I want to build the driver for it as a module, and I want the module to be loaded at boot time.
[17:03] <tgardner> i.e., does it have a discoverable device ID?
[17:04] <ndec> tgardner: can you confirm if udev events are generated when calling platform_device_add from the kernel?
[17:04] <ndec> tgardner: I don't know for the discoverable device ID. it's something embedded in OMAP4.
[17:05] <tgardner> ndec, well, the simplest thing to do is to add the module name to /etc/modules, then run update-initramfs
[17:05] <tgardner> it'll get loaded on the next boot cycle
[17:05] <ndec> tgardner: but I thought it would not be eleguant to update /etc/modules from a package.
[17:05] <ogra> tgardner, can you also provide a proper solution from the kernel ? :)
[17:06] <tgardner> ograonly if its a discoverable device
[17:06] <tgardner> ogra^^
[17:06] <ogra> isnt there some function that walks devices that can be used ?
[17:07] <ogra> how is that normally done on non PCI systems ?
[17:07] <davidm> ogra, only if the device is discoverable
[17:07] <tgardner> given that this is ARM, its probably just a well known memory area. This is the issue that the device map stuff is attempting to solve.
[17:08] <tgardner> ogra: when the PCI platform driver is loaded it grovels the PCI bus, sending discover events to udev
[17:08] <ndec> tgardner: when is the udev event generated? right now I have the module built in statically in my kernel, and I can see udev event at boot time for it.
[17:08] <ogra> tgardner, right, i was hoping there is something similar for the platform bus
[17:08] <ndec> b
[17:09] <tgardner> ndec, ogra: so, is this a platform driver, or a simple driver?
[17:09] <ogra> platform i think
[17:09] <ndec> tgardner: platform driver
[17:09] <tgardner> ndec, then I assume your platform driver is initiating the udev event?
[17:09] <tgardner> (when its built in)
[17:10] <ndec> tgardner: i guess so, but i don't know how it's being generated.
[17:10] <ndec> tgardner: I am calling platform_device_add() and then platform_driver_register()
[17:10] <ogra> either will generate the event
[17:11] <ogra> s/either/one of them/
[17:12] <tgardner> ndec, so its a chicken and egg problem. its the platform driver that emits discovery events, right? so how does the platform driver get loaded? Usually they are built-in, but in this case it _must_ be a  module, right?
[17:12] <mpoirier> tgardner: and this is what I'm trying to find...
[17:12] <tgardner> ok, then the solution is to add it to /etc/modules
[17:12] <mpoirier> if platform drivers can work with  loadable modules.
[17:13] <tgardner> ogra: is /etc/modules considered a conf file wrt to debian policy?
[17:13] <ogra> i dont think so
[17:13] <ndec> tgardner: don't think so. there are 2 separate things: the platform device and the platform driver. my feeling is that the udev event is made then the platform device is added. so this is call must be in the kernel at boot. but the platform driver registration can be in the module
[17:13] <ogra> its also no prob to modify it from our first boot tool in the images
[17:14] <ogra> it just doesnt feel right at all
[17:15] <tgardner> ogra, well, the _right_ thing to do is to build the dang thing into the kernel, but that doesn't seem to be a choice.
[17:15] <ogra> or make the HW discoverable by the kernel somehow
[17:15] <ogra> so it can be loaded dynamically
[17:15] <ndec> tgardner: that would then mean that if we have a generic ARM kernel, it would need to have all platform drivers... that looks wrong to me.
[17:16] <tgardner> ndec, have you tried building these drivers as modules, then modprobe them sometime after boot to see if they do what you expect?
[17:16] <ndec> tgardner: no
[17:16] <ogra> tgardner, the fec NIC driver on the imx51 platform was a platform driver iirc
[17:16] <ogra> that used to work fine
[17:17] <ogra> and was dynamically loaded
[17:17] <tgardner> ogra: I thought that was a simple ethernet driver
[17:17] <ogra> yes
[17:17] <ogra> but hooked into the platform bus
[17:17] <ogra> we had to patch NM to accept platform devices to make it work at all
[17:18] <tgardner> where is the source for this stuff?
[17:18] <ogra> so i wonder if what worked there might be applicable to ndec's case
[17:18] <ogra> should be in our imx51 tree
[17:18] <tgardner> not the FEC, but the other platform driver
[17:18] <ogra> oh, the OMAP4 one ?
[17:18] <tgardner> yeah
[17:18] <ogra> not sure thats in our kernel tree already
[17:18] <ogra> but if so, its in the omap4 tree
[17:19] <ogra> ndec should be able to tell
[17:19] <tgardner> unless it was part of Bryan's pull request
[17:19] <ndec> tgardner: in the omap4 branch. in the ubuntu kernel. in drivers/dsp/syslink
[17:19] <tgardner> ndec, cool, lemme take a look
[17:22] <Hellwarrior> HI
[17:22] <Hellwarrior> hey anyone in here familiar with the i.mx31
[17:24] <davidm> Hellwarrior, we don't support the iMX31, it is not an ARMv7 sorry
[17:24] <Hellwarrior> oh would you know where I can go to ask??
[17:25] <GrueMaster> Hellwarrior: I believe debian would work with it.  check their channels.
[17:26] <Hellwarrior> okay
[17:26] <davidm> That was my thought too
[17:26] <GrueMaster> I know the chumby is based on that proc.
[17:27] <davidm> I "think" it's an ARMv5 or v6 but not sure, just know for sure it's not a v7
[17:27] <Hellwarrior> just basically I am trying to open up a bin file to view its contents with no luck I ran it thru a tool I found on the freescale site and it spit it out a .s19 file
[17:27] <Hellwarrior> not sure where to go from there
[17:28] <Hellwarrior> actually I think it runs an arm 11 core
[17:29] <Hellwarrior> basically I took a .bin update file a converted it into that s19 file but not sure how to view its contents
[17:38] <davidm> ARm 11 core would be ARMv6 then
[17:42] <davidm> Sorry I don't know anything about .s19 files
[18:22] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, was out of the office last week;  thanks for looking into that though
[18:23]  * cwillu_at_work looks forward to the latest shiny kernel
[20:26] <ogra_cmpc> NCommander, [20:26] <ogra_cmpc> Tue Jun 29 20:23:29 BST 2010
[20:26] <ogra_cmpc> http://acorn.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD/maverick/ubuntu-netbook-omap/current/livecd.ubuntu-netbook.ext3:
[20:26] <ogra_cmpc> 20:23:29 ERROR 404: Not Found.
[20:32] <tgardner> ndec, mpoirier: I sent some patches to Bryan Wu that modularize the syslink drivers. Lets see what he thinks about it.
[20:33] <mpoirier> tgardner: do you see any problem with a package modifying /etc/modules ?
[20:33] <tgardner> mpoirier, dunno, I gotta look up policy on that.
[20:34] <lool> mpoirier: It would seem you have less risky alternatives before going to that, like adding a new upstart job which loads your module
[20:34] <tgardner> mpoirier, I'm pretty sure its part of initramfs-tools
[20:34] <lool> tgardner: module-init-tools.postinst seems to create it here
[20:35] <tgardner> lool, ah, thats the place
[20:35] <ogra_cmpc> as i said, its no prob to modify it
[20:35] <ogra_cmpc> we can do that on first boot of the image
[20:35] <tgardner> lool, I'll let Bryan figure it out since he has the HW
[20:35] <ogra_cmpc> tgardner, he doesnt
[20:35] <lool> I personally tend of think of it as an user configuration file and would keep away from touching it automatically; I suppose you could technically arrange to add stuff to it, but that doesn't seem terribly nice
[20:37] <ogra_cmpc> lool, we did that before for psaux or lp modules
[20:37] <ogra_cmpc> i dont see a prob with adding stuff to it before a user can even touch it
[20:38] <lool> fuse-utils does something along the lines of adding stuff to /etc/modules
[20:38] <lool> It poses challenges such as actually allowing an user to disable that behavior (disabling the module loading)
[20:38] <ogra_cmpc> not anymore since jaunty or so
[20:39] <ogra_cmpc> as you said, its a user config file, so a user can remove the line we add
[20:39] <lool> I really recomment a trivial upstart job instead myself, but it seems we're only discussing workarounds when the fix to emit an event and process it from the kernel is already known
[20:39] <ogra_cmpc> right
[20:39] <lool> ogra_cmpc: The package has to be careful to honor that when its upgraded though
[20:39] <lool> anyway
[20:39]  * lool => &
[20:40] <ogra_cmpc> lool, no package involved, jasper can do it
[20:40] <ogra_cmpc> thats the reason we have it :)
[21:08]  * ogra_cmpc is desparate
[21:33] <armin76> ogra_cmpc: mariachi? :D
[23:44] <rcn-ee> cwillu_at_work, what you went on a vacation? ;)


[19:18] <AtomicSpark> What's the proper way to mark bugs as wishlist? I wouldn't mind weeding out a few feature requests.


[04:14] <ricardobonilla> Hello! I'm new here, but not to Ubuntu Linux.
[04:15] <pleia2> welcome ricardobonilla
[04:19] <ricardobonilla> Thank you, Pleia2. I currently work at Hack the Hood, in Oakland, CA. We teach web dev to low income youth. In the past, I taught Ubuntu Linux to youth in San Francisco, and would like to restart that project. I found the California group in Ubuntu's website and wonder if you guys are active in San Francisco.
[04:21] <pleia2> ricardobonilla: cool, I'm on the board for partimus.org here in SF
[04:21] <pleia2> we don't work with schools/kids much anymore (too much red tape) but we are in several low-income housing facilities here in the city now where we manage Lubuntu-based labs for them
[04:22] <pleia2> http://partimus.org/projects.php
[04:22] <darthrobot> Title: [Partimus - We Share]
[04:22] <pleia2> ^^ some of what we've done
[04:22] <pleia2> we have some mailing lists too, pretty quiet most of the time but we always need more volunteers interested in helping out
[04:22] <pleia2> (under "contact" on the website)
[04:23] <ricardobonilla> Excellent.
[04:23] <pleia2> Ubuntu California-wise, I hosted an Ubuntu Hour (meet to chat about Ubuntu in a coffee shop) and a Debian Dinner in July, but we're not super active right now
[04:24] <pleia2> I'm often busy with work (and related travel)
[04:24] <pleia2> where did you tech linux to youth in SF?
[04:25] <pleia2> teach
[04:26] <ricardobonilla> I ran a small project called True Growth San Francisco. We recently closed our doors in December 2016. I receiv
[04:26] <pleia2> interesting
[04:27] <pleia2> our own school work wound down in 2014 or so, even the schools we could get into were switching to chromebooks
[04:27] <ricardobonilla> I ran a small project called True Growth San Francisco. We recently closed our doors in December 2016. I received a grant from Yahoo! to teach Ubuntu Linux to youth from Balboa high school, who then taught Linux and Lego Mindstorms to elementary school students from Sanchez and Cleveland elementary schools.
[04:27] <pleia2> that's really cool
[04:27] <ricardobonilla> I accidentally pressed enter before I completed my sentence. Sorry.
[04:28] <pleia2> it happens :)
[04:29] <ricardobonilla> Yes, the Chromebook revolution is strong. Hack the Hood, where I work now was very stuck on Chromebooks for the first 3 years of their life, I finally got them to move into Windows laptops and I am starting to push Linux now that we don't use Chromebooks.
[04:30] <pleia2> that's good to hear
[04:30] <ricardobonilla> It takes time to teach folks about the benefits of open source. Some don't understand nor see the value.
[04:30]  * pleia2 nods
[04:31] <pleia2> I need to step away from the computer for the evening, but I'm really glad I said hello :) we should chat more
[04:31] <ricardobonilla> Likewise. Have a wonderful night. Be well.
[04:31] <pleia2> care to drop me an email? can use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:31] <ricardobonilla> Absolutely!
[04:31] <pleia2> I'd really like to learn more about what you're doing
[04:31] <pleia2> and maybe if our groups can work together a little :)
[04:32] <pleia2> have a good night!


[13:26] <sebsebseb> hi TheMuso
[13:26] <sebsebseb> about by any chance?
[13:27] <sebsebseb> probably sleeping
[13:27] <sebsebseb> anyway is anyone about here at the moment?
[14:27] <sebsebseb> hi
[14:27] <sebsebseb> again


[20:28] <pietro10> Hi. Is there a way I can downgrade firefox-trunk? It no longer seems to start properly...
[20:29] <pietro10> first it hung with a blank gray window, now it's not opening a window at all
[20:34] <pietro10> oh I had a lot of ghost instances
[20:34] <pietro10> now firefox-trunk wants t orun in safe mode, but the safe mode dialog is blank
[20:34] <pietro10> guess I'll just wait for an upgrade


[12:20] <tkamppeter> @schedule paris
[12:20] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | 06 Dec 21:00: Edubuntu | 07 Dec 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Dec 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Dec 21:00: Edubuntu
[03:58] <sivang> sfllaw: pong, sorry about the meeting, just now saw backlogs
[04:35] <sivang> sfllaw: unping, already sorted with cjwatson
[05:33] <cakep-ajah> met malem
[09:29] <tonyyarusso> @schedule toronto
[09:29] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Toronto: 05 Dec 15:00: Technical Board | 06 Dec 15:00: Edubuntu | 07 Dec 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Dec 07:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 15:00: Technical Board
[09:29] <tonyyarusso> Still nothing


[17:30] <ogra_> hmpf, why dont we have a serial version of the mini iso
[17:30] <ogra_> i'm trying to adjust it, but whatever mkisofs produces for me doesnt boot
[17:31] <ogra_> even if i just use it unchanged
[17:53] <ogra_> cjwatson, do we anything special to mkisofs recently ?
[19:21] <infinity> ogra_: We don't use mkisofs for the miniiso, we use genisoimage.
[19:21] <infinity> ogra_: See build/config/x86.cfg (search for MINIISO) in debian-installer.
[19:22] <ogra_> yeah, i tried to scrap that out of the d-i buildlog
[19:22] <ogra_> but neither works
[19:22] <ogra_> i created an USB syslinux boot thingy by hand now
[19:22] <infinity> ogra_: Anyhow, I'm a bit confused by your need for a "serial" ISO...
[19:23] <infinity> ogra_: Booting with console=ttyS0 should Just Work, no?
[19:23] <ogra_> infinity, how do i inject that ?
[19:23] <ogra_> i was to lazy to set up a tftp server
[19:23] <infinity> Oh, for mini.iso, yeah, I guess I could see the chicken and egg issue there. :P
[19:23] <ogra_> dd'ing the iso to usb as i usually do keeps the iso filesystem
[19:23] <infinity> I don't tend to think of serial-only people as people who use CD drives.
[19:23] <infinity> Or physical media in general.
[19:24] <ogra_> yeah, i got new firewall HW ... :)
[19:25] <ogra_> i thought i could just mount the iso, copy the contents, modify txt.cfg and isolinux.cfg and re-roll the iso
[19:25] <ogra_> but no matter what command i use it wouldnt boot
[19:25] <infinity> Well, that would leave you without the el torito bits.
[19:25] <davmor2> ogra_: the missus unplugs the internet ever time you try and work out of hours too then ;)
[19:25] <ogra_> haha
[19:45] <cjwatson> ogra_: afaik nothing's changed recently
[19:51] <ogra_> well, i got it installed now
[19:52] <ogra_> (not sure what i need a 64bit 4G dual core firewall for with my 2MBit ... but the old one is giving up)
[19:52] <ogra_> (and the hardware is just lovely)


[04:09] <user|0> I am in need of some help to download the xtool creative space software on my computer, it a new computer and i am not familiar at all with linxus or ubuntu the software is a .exe install but i cant figure out hat program to use to install it
[09:06] <estan> hi kubunters, i was wondering, https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-27-lts-for-jammy-22-04-lts-available-via-ppa/ says about the backports-extra PPA that "This PPA is intended to be used in combination with our standard backports PPA, but should also work standalone.".
[09:06] <estan> i was thinking, what level of testing has gone into using the backports-extra PPA without using the standard backports PPA?
[09:08] <estan> i'm a little interested in adding backports-extra PPA to my work laptop, but not so keen on adding the entire backports PPA. but if it's very untested to do this, i'd rather skip it and stick with plasma 5.24 until 24.04 is out.
[09:09] <estan> RikMills: do you know if it's "maybe it'll work" or "really should work"? :p ^
[10:08] <RikMills> estan: tested on VM and a couple of laptops. It really should be ok as while the packages were compiled in a PPA that had the normal backports PPA as a dependency, really nothing from that 'should' have been pulled in
[10:09] <RikMills> i.e. there should not be any odd corner case dependency against something there
[10:10] <RikMills> also tested by a few other people, so ok as far as can be reasonably said
[10:12] <RikMills> certainly not had any reports at all of problems
[10:18] <RikMills> however on a work laptop, maybe be cautious. your call
[10:19] <RikMills> the main testing has been done by the https://kfocus.org/ team who enable the main backports on their systems by default
[10:58] <estan> RikMills: alright, understood. thanks!
[11:01] <user|94> hello, i need a littel help. how to upgrade kubuntu from 23.04 to 23.10. apt-get dist-upgrade don't works. also apt pkexec do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE don't works. any idea?
[11:04] <RikMills> user|94: upgrades are not turned on yet by the main Ubuntu release team. please be patient. a delay is normal and hopefully will not be long
[11:22] <user|94> thanks...
[12:15] <TenPlus1> Hi folks, has anyone upgraded from 22.04 to 23.10 and noticed a huge jump in memory usage ??
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 i have to select a trusted efi file to be able to boot
 but there more than one files which one i have to select?
 ubuntu
     grub64.efi
     shimx64.efi
     mmx64.efi
 i went to grub64.efi and secure boot prevents it to boot
 so changed to shim64.efi and it booted, but because in the installation process i had password for secure  boot, after booting it ask to configure MOCK. then i used enroll key from disk to signe all the files in those two directories then rebooted and it's working
 but what i just did? 🫠 (re @mh_firouzjah: i have to select a trusted efi file to be able to boot
 but there more than one files which one i have to select?
 ubuntu
     grub64.efi
 Bro i was using grub64.efi then i broke my system then switched to shimx64 and it worked (re @mh_firouzjah: i have to select a trusted efi file to be able to boot
 but there more than one files which one i have to select?
 ubuntu
     grub64.efi
     shimx64.efi
     mmx64.efi
[17:36] <tomreyn> Omarvx211: if you do "secure boot" then it's shimx64.efi
[17:44] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: The majority of that was a reply to someone else.
[17:44] <tomreyn> oh, thanks
[17:44] <Eickmeyer> I don't know why that bridge bot has to reply-quote the entire message.
[17:45] <Eickmeyer> It's really... ircsome. 😆
 Bro i was using grub64.efi then i broke my system then switched to shimx64 and it worked (re @mh_firouzjah: i have to select a trusted efi file to be able to boot
 but there more than one files which one i have to select?
 ubuntu
     grub64.efi
     shimx64.efi
     mmx64.efi
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> Go home, IrcsomeBot, you're bitrotted.
[21:21] <fsflp23> anyone know what the name of the program is for cleaning metadata?  it's found when right click image > Actions > Clean metadata.  Thanks!!


[16:20] <Cryterion> been quiet here for 72hrs straight
[19:19] <chesedo> brr...
[19:19]  * chesedo will try to say something here tomorrow


[00:07] <rgreening> ScottK: I have tac_plus uploaded to my PPA... assuming it builds, I'll be able to test it out... not sure if the sql stuff will work this go around.
[00:15] <rgreening> ScottK: if you have time, I'd appreciate you taking a peek at the package.
[00:16] <ScottK> rgreening: Perhaps tomorrow.
[00:17] <rgreening> ScottK: awesome. ty
[00:38] <doctormo> Have some packagaing problems, how do you deal with an automake based project where one of the parts is off in it's own directory, with it's own Makefile that isn't connected to anything else. Files that don't even get bundled when we do a make dist?
[00:38] <lifeless> doctormo: so, is this yours, or something you're inheriting /upstream
[00:38] <doctormo> Do I try and merge the Makefile into the autotools system somehow, do I move the c file to the src directory or do I keep it where it is?
[00:39] <doctormo> lifeless: Inheriting Orphaned
[00:39] <lifeless> if it will build ok with the Makefile, but you want to make 'make dist' work, add the directory and its contents to EXTRA_DIST
[00:40] <lifeless> it won't VPATH build though
[00:40] <lifeless> so you may want to take it over upstream and Just Fix It
[00:40] <doctormo> right, so I did manually copy the dir and it still didn't build
[00:40] <doctormo> Oh we've already put it into launchpad, so it's bzr branches are upstream as far as we're concerned.
[00:44] <doctormo> lifeless: Where is the best place for a python programmer (me) to go in order to learn how to "just Fix it"(tm), distutils is much easier to me.
[00:44] <lifeless> do you know why they have this odd directory?
[00:44] <lifeless> knowing the reason may avoid spending effort trying to fix it ;)
[00:45] <lifeless> point me at the branch if you would
[00:51] <epiphany> hi
[00:51] <epiphany> what is that package that contains that little networking icon in the GNOME panel?
[00:52] <doctormo> lifeless: The reason I believe is that the main Makefile deals with building the xorg-input driver and this makefile is for building a simple c program for configuring the calibration.
[00:52] <lifeless> network-manager?
[00:53] <epiphany> i got it now. thanks
[00:53] <lifeless> doctormo: so one option is to not build the program :)
[00:53] <doctormo> It is, the existing debian build expected it, but I could strip it out
[00:53] <lifeless> I see
[00:53] <lifeless> so, two things
[00:54] <lifeless> one is that you don't need  to fix this to update the package - just don't use 'make dist' (as apparently the old author didn't either)
[00:54] <lifeless> the second is that this sounds like just crummy organisation, and I would indeed fix the build
[00:54] <epiphany> can one go about setting up their own APT mirror?
[00:54] <lifeless> if its using automake+autoconf the goat book is pretty good
[00:55] <doctormo> lifeless: for your curiosity - lp:wizardpen
[00:55] <lifeless> I'd tend to use non-recursive make which means a single Makefile.am
[01:51] <omerm> Hi everyone. I just tried packaging for the first time to fix this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/90150 . I applied the patch found in the comments, and followed the packaging guides to create a debdiff. I don't have an AMD64 system, so I can't test it. Should I send it to one of you for approval? Post it in launchpad? Thanks in advance.
[02:31] <mrooney> omerm: that sounds like a #launchpad question but you may know more than I
[02:32] <omerm> alright I'll try there. thanks!
[02:36] <lifeless> mrooney: actually, its totally on topic here
[02:36] <omerm> I just realized I linked to the wrong bug
[02:36] <omerm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/119982
[02:36] <lifeless> omerm: If the patch has been validated already - if its known to fix the problem
[02:36] <lifeless> then, put it into REVU
[02:37] <lifeless> if its not known to fix the problem, make a PPA, upload it there, and ask for testers
[02:38] <omerm> commenters said that it fixed the bug, but it doesn't seem there was any kind of official confirmation. Is it enough?
[02:40] <lifeless> we're a community group :)
[02:40] <lifeless> people commenting are official in that sense ;)
[02:41] <lifeless> REVU is the review process
[02:41] <lifeless> or you can put your debdiff up
[02:41] <lifeless> and put it in the universe sponsors queue
[02:41] <lifeless> either is fine
[02:41] <lifeless> and both are documented on the motu wiki pages, I think
[02:42] <omerm> alright, will do. thanks
[03:46] <mirsal> Hello. Anyone awake ?
[03:47] <mirsal> I'll assume so.
[03:47] <mirsal> I need five minutes of a package maintainer's time for a little update about how to contribute a patch the right way. Anyone ?
[03:52] <mirsal> (or maybe you could give me a pointer on where to look / who to ask )
[04:00] <doctormo> mirsal: Ask the question as best you are able.
[04:02] <mirsal> doctormo, Basically, I'd like to know how not to just edit the sources and rebuild the package. I don't know how to make a proper patch, update the changelog, bump the version number etc, I guess it's not done by hand.
[04:06] <doctormo> mirsal: Some is, most isn't.
[04:06] <doctormo> Now I'm not an expert, but experts don't seem to be awake right now, so I'll fill you in on as much as I know.
[04:06] <mirsal> doctormo, thanks that would be nice :)
[04:07] <doctormo> mirsal: use apt-get source [package-name] to get the source typically, if your updating to say a new bzr or git checkout then still get this for the debian dir
[04:08] <doctormo> mirsal: Now you need to make sure you get a good dist tar.gz of the sources, this is everythign without the debian directory or .bzr hidden dirs that will be used to build and install. Usually the makefile or build utils will have a dist option to generate the required gz.
[04:08] <doctormo> (this part is after you've modified the source)
[04:08] <mirsal> ok
[04:09] <mirsal> (some of my changes are specific to the debian/ubuntu package btw)
[04:09] <doctormo> mirsal: so, now you unpack your gz, say it's foo-0.1.4, you should then have at least 2 directories ./foo (from which you edit code) and ./foo-0.1.4 which you are doing the packaging in.
[04:10] <doctormo> mirsal: Ah if your only updating the package then your not updating the source... depends on what your up to.
[04:10] <mirsal> I'm updating both actually
[04:10] <doctormo> Source updates should incur a version bump for the actual program ver, but package updates should bump just the 0ubuntu0 versions.
[04:11] <doctormo> If both, then program ver bump clobbers package ver and package ver should be 0ubuntu1 I believe.
[04:11] <mirsal> ok
[04:11] <doctormo> So you'll be editing it in two parts, because packaging is considered down stream and source editing is considered upstream and your wearing two hats.
[04:12] <doctormo> Hence two directories.
[04:12] <mirsal> I see.
[04:16] <mirsal> (maybe I should give you a little more context: I'm adding support to new devices to the evtouch xorg driver, this requires to alter a bit the sources and to add new udev rules / HAL fdi files. The hal config files are part of the ubuntu package whereas the rest is in the vanilla sources)
[04:17] <doctormo> mirsal: I've done 3 driver packages and I'm working on xorg-input-wizardpen are you any good with automake btw, you might be able to help me in exchange.
[04:18] <mirsal> doctormo, I know my basics :)
[04:18] <doctormo> mirsal: I'm also very familar with HAL fdi files and udev rules since I manage a barry PPA (for blackberry support)
[04:18] <mirsal> cool, lucky me then ^^
[04:21] <doctormo> heh
[04:22] <doctormo> mirsal: so if all your doing is updating the hal fdi or udev rules, just stick them in the debian directory like I do with wizardpen and epson-scanners. They're not upstream so their really additions during packaging.
[04:24] <mirsal> yeah
[04:24] <mirsal> for the rest, should I just add a patch to debian/patches/ ?
[04:25] <mirsal> or is it not possible to mix the changes ?
[04:27] <doctormo> mirsal: In that instance you can, so long as you keep everything in debian dir and call it "packaging"
[04:27] <doctormo> Just bump the packaging ver in that case.
[04:28] <mirsal> ok
[04:28] <doctormo> mirsal: Was I any help at all?
[04:29] <mirsal> doctormo, absolutely !
[04:29] <mirsal> thanks a lot, it's now way clearer in my head
[04:30] <mirsal> just one last thing: should I update the changelog by hand ?
[04:30] <mirsal> (I mean debian/changelog)
[04:32] <doctormo> mirsal: You can use the dch tool or you can update it by hand, up to you.
[04:32] <mirsal> ok
[04:39] <doctormo> mirsal: Perhaps I can get your help now? See I'm fairly ok with the systematics of the whole thing and I also teach (if you've never seen my nickname before on the planet) so I'm getting good at explaining things too.
[04:40] <doctormo> But so far Makefile proper combined with autotools have mistified me.
[04:41] <mirsal> :)
[04:42] <mirsal> doctormo, so how can I help ?
[04:42] <mirsal> (if I can)
[04:43] <doctormo> mirsal: I have the wizardpen stuff mostly working, but the upstream (now orphaned) put the calibration tool into it's own directory with it's own makefile that doesn't use autotools and automake, it's just a bog standard Makefile
[04:44] <lifeless> doctormo: in short; delete the Makefile ;)
[04:44] <doctormo> mirsal: So I want someone to help me get the package so it compiles the calibration tool and puts the source files in the dist (using make dist) which at the moment it doesn't
[04:44] <doctormo> lifeless: really?
[04:44] <lifeless> yes, its contents should be rolled into Makefile.am in the root
[04:45] <mirsal> lifeless, yeah, does the makefile do funky things ?
[04:45] <mirsal> lifeless, +1
[04:45] <lifeless> doctormo: unless its depending on gnu Make features, which is unlikely for a simple tool lie you describe
[04:45] <doctormo> lifeless: nah it's a strain gcc call, one liner
[04:46] <lifeless> its probably just
[04:46] <lifeless> bin_PROGRAMS = calibration/foo
[04:46] <lifeless> in the top Makefile.am then
[04:48] <doctormo> lifeless: Sounds too good to be true, let me try it :-D
[04:50] <mirsal> (plus subdirs if any, foo_SOURCES / _SCRIPTS if any / _CFLAGS / _LDFLAGS etc, the usual stuff
[04:51] <doctormo> mirsal: gcc -o wizardpen-calibrate wizardpen-calibrate.c, heh nothing. Lets see if it builds
[04:51] <mirsal> huhu
[04:52] <mirsal> doctormo, oh, I forgot to ask you one other thing: what are the diff options I should use in order to produce a patch suitable for debian/patches/ ?
[04:52] <doctormo> lifeless: worked perfectly, now I just have to re-jig it's auto generation of the ChangeLog via git, since it's a bzr branch it's failing that.
[04:53] <doctormo> mirsal: Wrong person to ask, my knol stops there.
[04:53] <mirsal> heh ok :)
[04:53] <mirsal> I'm asking out of laziness, I think I can figure out
[04:53] <doctormo> mirsal: lol, for that you get to critique my work http://divajutta.com/doctormo/learning/local-computer/identifying-computer-ports.pdf
[04:56] <mirsal> damn, evince is taking its time...
[04:56] <lifeless> mirsal: foo_SOURCES is automatic if its a single file; subdirs aren't needed with non-recursive syntax:)
[04:59] <mirsal> lifeless, yeah, I missed the 'single file' part :)
[05:01] <mirsal> doctormo, it's perfect, apart from the fact that the LEDS on female RJ45 ports are not standard, and that I think you sould include ExpressCard slots :)
[05:04] <doctormo> mirsal: If you have a picture of an express card slot, leds aren't standard I know, it's what I call an editorial desision.
[05:04] <mirsal> doctormo, well, I just HAD to say something ^^
[05:05] <doctormo> mirsal: Best response is "It's a masterpiece and I'm going to blog about it right away, I hope the author also writes a similar one for internal slots" etc etc.
[05:06] <mirsal> It's a masterpiece and I'm going to blog about it right away, I hope the author also writes a similar one for internal slots
[05:07] <mirsal> well, won't blog about it (because I'm lazy, I told you) but I'm going to identwitfacebook it.
[05:09] <doctormo> mirsal: Ah your using grubber
[05:10] <mirsal> gwibber yeah
[05:11] <doctormo> woot: https://launchpad.net/~doctormo/+archive/xorg-wizardpen it built on lpai, that's a good sign
[05:12] <mirsal> :)
[05:13] <doctormo> lifeless: I owe you a drink... or at least the idea of a drink (till I get a new job)
[05:13] <lifeless> :P
[05:13] <lifeless> pay it forward
[05:33] <doctormo> lifeless: I've got so much being paid forward right now, that's one of the reasons I don't have a job, don't have time for one.
[05:33] <doctormo> ;-)
[05:33] <doctormo> Good night all
[05:34] <tgm4883> Please redirect me if there is a better channel for this, but when installing packages, is there a way to pass info to debconf from say, the command line?
[05:52] <mirsal> lifeless, when you see doctormo, tell him that I also owe _him_ a drink :)
[05:52] <mirsal> tgm4883, yeah
[05:52] <mirsal> there is a way
[05:53] <mirsal> tgm4883, don't remember how though
[05:53] <tgm4883> mirsal, i'm reading about preseeding right now, is that the way?
[05:53] <tgm4883> ah
[05:55] <mirsal> tgm4883, there is a 'noninteractive' debconf frontend, for debconf
[05:56] <mirsal> tgm4883, use it along with --assume-yes and you've got a fully automated apt-get
[09:19]  * hyperair wonders how much space ia32-libs would need.
[09:29] <geser> hyperair: I hope you don't need the source package of it
[09:30] <hyperair> geser: i've already gotten the source package. what a behemoth.
[09:30] <hyperair> geser: i'm trying to update this thing.
[09:30] <geser> good luck
[09:30] <hyperair> thanks.
[09:31] <hyperair> i wonder if anyone would sponsor me if i had it updated.
[09:31] <hyperair> the .dsc is humongous X_X
[09:32] <geser> my upload bandwidth is way to small to sponsor this monster
[09:33] <hyperair> heh
[09:39] <hyperair> on second thoughts, there appears to be an ia32-libs-testing ppa around
[09:39] <hyperair> https://launchpad.net/~cjwatson/+archive/ia32-libs-testing
[09:39] <hyperair> i think i'll just use that pacakge instead
[09:40] <cjwatson> it's not quite right yet, but I'm working on it
[09:40] <cjwatson> (see #ubuntu-devel)
[09:41] <hyperair> hmm
[11:41] <lamothe> Hi, with man pages, if I create a package that has 2 executable binaries in it, but only one is designed to be run by the user (i.e. the first one calls the second one) do I need to create a man page for the one that is not designed to be run by the user?
[11:41] <cjwatson> not in general, but if that's the case then the one not designed to be run manually should not be in /usr/bin
[11:42] <cjwatson> e.g. /usr/lib/<package>/
[11:42] <cjwatson> everything in /usr/bin/ (and /bin/, /sbin/, /usr/sbin/) should have a manual page
[11:42] <lamothe> cjwatson: Ahhh, really! I didn't know that, thanks, that makes it a lot clearer then doesn't it.
[11:45] <lamothe> cjwatson: Thanks, again.  I appreciate it.
[13:46] <Laney> wgrant: Are mdt package sets dynamically updated?
[13:47] <wgrant> Laney: Yes.
[13:47] <wgrant> Well, except for those that aren't.
[13:47] <wgrant> Let me see which aren't.
[13:47] <Laney> No, it's OK
[13:47] <Laney> Can you create a set out of a big list of packages and a query?
[13:48] <wgrant> What sort of query?
[13:48] <Laney> maintainer
[13:49] <wgrant> Yep. Already got a couple of them.
[13:49] <Laney> I'm interested in tracking Haskell packages. We just formed a team but a lot of them haven't been moved over yet
[13:49] <Laney> cool, I'll rustle you up a list shortly if that's OK?
[13:50] <wgrant> Sure.
[13:50] <wgrant> I'm about to head off for the night, so I'll do them tomorrow some time.
[13:51] <Laney> no worries
[13:53] <wgrant> Laney: There are currently lists automatically calculated from rdepends and a team's +packagebugs, if that makes it any easier.
[13:53] <Laney> recursive rdepends would be good if you could do that
[13:53] <Laney> seeding from ghc6
[13:54] <Laney> rbuild depends, that is
[13:55] <wgrant> That's not so easy.
[13:56] <wgrant> (the recursive bit, that is)
[13:56] <Laney> thought it might not be
[14:01]  * wgrant disappears.
[15:43] <james_w> yay statik!
[17:37] <maxb> Does anyone have any thoughts on the best way to develop packages for Karmic whilst also making them backportable to earlier releases, specifically concerning debhelper 7?
[17:38] <Laney> get the newer version of dh backported
[17:39] <hyperair> there are  debhelper packages around for jaunty and intrepid floating aroudn the PPAs
[17:39] <maxb> I am contemplating attempting to merge debhelper 7.0.52 from upstream  with the Intrepid / Jaunty versions and backport it to Hardy. The key thing being override_dh_foo support in 7.0.50, but I'm not sure I want to backport 7.2
[17:39] <hyperair> and quilt 0.46-7 as well
[17:39] <maxb> indeed
[17:39] <hyperair> 7.0.50 has override support.
[17:39] <hyperair> why do you need 7.2?
[17:39] <maxb> I don't need 7.2 - that's the point
[17:40] <hyperair> then just backport 7.0.50
[17:40] <hyperair> but there's no harm in backporting 7.2 if it's easier
[17:40] <maxb> 7.0.50 is not in any Ubuntu distroseries
[17:40] <hyperair> it isn't eh
[17:40] <Laney> nah
[17:40] <Laney> I'd just ask for a backport of whatever's in Karmic
[17:41] <ScottK> But if you want it to go to Hardy, also backport it to Intrepid/Jaunty.
[17:41]  * maxb goes to figure out what changed 7.0 -> 7.2
[17:41] <hyperair> the changelog's pretty good for that
[17:41] <hyperair> aptitude changelog debhelper
[17:42] <Laney> dh_gencontrol: Ensure misc:Depends is set in substvars to avoid dpkg complaining about it when it's empty
[17:42] <Laney> :O!1!
[17:43] <hyperair> O_o. the hell?
[17:43] <hyperair> isn't debhelper supposed to generate that?
[17:44] <maxb> It does - if it has anything to put there
[17:44] <maxb> I guess after that change it generates an empty one
[17:45] <maxb> (in all cases)
[17:45] <maxb> "Depend on dpkg-dev 1.14.19" could back a hardy backport of 7.2 a little trickier
[17:51] <maxb> I guess it would be feasible to carefully revert the changes relying on the newer dpkg
[18:57] <ScottK> james_w: Got a moment for an archive admin task?
[19:05] <ScottK> Maybe StevenK?
[19:06] <ScottK> If either of you turn up whilst I'm out, I'm looking for someone to promote kubuntu-netbook-default-settings to Main.  The MIR is approved, just needs moving ....
[20:00] <ajish> hi
[20:01] <ajish> I am looking for ubuntu build system documents? google didn't help
[20:01] <ajish> can some one help here?
[20:02] <coolbhavi> ajish, search for launchpad PPA packaging help
[20:02] <coolbhavi> there you can find faq
[20:03] <coolbhavi> about buildds
[20:06] <ajish> thanx coolbhavi
[20:06] <ajish> is any one here from bangalore india?
[20:08] <coolbhavi> ajish, I am
[20:09] <ajish> is their any group in bangalore for ubuntu?
[20:09] <ajish> where i can join
[20:09] <ajish> ?
[20:10] <coolbhavi> no but go to #ubuntu-in and we better stop this right here as its a devel channel
[21:38] <pwnguin> is anyone left on hardy-backports?
[21:39] <Laney> anyone quickly know how to tell vim to always :set expandtab for changelog/control/rules files?
[21:44] <jpds> Laney: autocmd BufEnter */debian/* set expandtab
[21:44] <Laney> you beauty
[21:45] <jpds> You might want to: autocmd BufEnter */debian/rules set noet tabstop=8 shiftwidth=8 - for rules.
[22:06] <jmarsden> Is it normal for a firefox 3.5 daily build to take more than a day?  lemon, one of the PPA build hosts, is running such a build now... seems like over time that behaviour would use up and backlog the entire set of PPA build machines :)
[22:07] <Laney> you can look at a previous successful build to check
[22:07] <jmarsden> OK, will do.
[22:09] <jmarsden> Looks like a previous build of it took under 7 minutes... who should be asked to take a look at that build machine?
[22:10] <Laney> I believe if you click on the name of a buildd you can find the owner
[22:12] <jmarsden> OK.
[23:50] <lfaraone> If I want dch to act as if I was running it using Debian, what option do I pass.
[23:50] <lfaraone> *?
[23:51] <lfaraone> Despite bug 85366 being fixed, "--distribution=Debian" errors out.
[23:53] <geser> doesn't dch -D Debian (or --distributor Debian) work?
[23:53] <lfaraone> geser: No, that gives an error.
[23:54] <lfaraone> geser: oh, the latter works.
[23:56] <geser> right, -D is --distribution and not --distributor which doesn't have a short option


 So.... 5.80?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 all in favor of 5.80... o/
 @DarinMiller, So am I. However, I was asked to hold off packaging it a week ago so others could do so, and nothing has been done
 That is not a moan. An inquiry really.
 Yes, I understood your purpose... just advertising my position. :)
 👍
 goood evening
 @RikMills sorry for the delay, I'm going to do it + release new KA if everything goes fine
 I was expecting to get news about the intended learning exercise
 it seems that, even after so much time, people just don't seem to realize that automation is absolutely required to deal with kde packages XD
 KA needs fixing as it hates the .80 version
 thinks it is a unstable release
 thanks for the warning, indeed, the ftp related code needs a small correction
 also thanks for the debhelper link btw
 NP. I decided to go through the minimal effort of dry-running the gbp-newrelease to see what happened
 4 repos need patches fixing I think.....
 well, that's helpful, I would have spent some time cursing while trying to realize what's wrong 😅
 I think it was fairly obvious, and easily hacked around for me, but every little helps
 anyway... have fun
 I have it pre-hacked already :) let's see how it goes
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Ef8uQgbQ/file_42392.mp4


[00:53] <ahoneybun> heyo all
[00:53] <ahoneybun> bzr says that I am my correct username: aaronhoneycutt
[00:53] <ahoneybun> but when trying to git clone from LP it says "aaron"
[00:53] <ahoneybun> so it will not let me clone
[00:55] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24564153/
[22:23] <acheronuk> cjwatson wgrant: could the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports be bumped in size a bit? maybe to 60GB?
[22:24] <acheronuk> have deleted some stuff, but ATM with as many releases as we have, it's a tad big


[21:02] <lostrose> hey there... im a total newbie to linux. and having a bit of a hard time getting ubuntu up and running... can any one help please
[21:03] <seisen> you want to try this channel #ubuntu
[21:03] <lostrose> thanks ...
[21:04] <seisen> no problem
[23:03] <j1mc> hello, i'm working on the config-desktop portion of xubuntu docs, and am not sure what level of detail to go into.  xubuntu doesn't have a gui to add themes, so i was going to write up how to add themes to a ~/.themes folder.
[23:04] <j1mc> do i need to describe each step of downloading & extracting an archive?
[23:04] <j1mc> it seems like too much detail, but someone may not know how to do that.


[00:38] <Bruha> hello
[00:38] <Bruha> I just installed ubuntu server and am having some problems
[00:38] <Bruha> anyone around to help?
[00:39] <Bruha> after installation from a usb stick, I removed the usb stick and restarted.  I only got a blinking cursor and couldn't do anything.
[00:40] <Bruha> I was going to reinstall and so I put the usb stick back in and booted from it.  Then I got my login prompt and now have a command line
[00:40] <Bruha> however, I have no clue what to do now
[00:40] <Bruha> I'm trying to set this machine up to install Plex on and use as a home media server
[00:57] <Bruha> anyone around?
[02:49] <Bruha> I just installed plex media server on my ubuntu server.  I'm stuck.  What do I do now?
[07:19] <f8mf8> Hi need help with ubuntu server  byobu/tmux  issue, here is a screenshot of the issue  http://i.imgur.com/AZDdCnb.png
[07:21] <f8mf8> no help on #ubuntu, hoping to find some help here
[09:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:23] <Alcapote> You have my Hello from the France :)
[13:55] <NetworkingPro> Hello everyone.
[13:55] <NetworkingPro> Im trying to create a remote user account so my nagios server can reboot my servers.
[13:55] <NetworkingPro> Only a reboot.
[13:55] <NetworkingPro> would this work:  nagrmt ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/reboot
[13:55] <NetworkingPro> ?
[13:56] <ikonia> yes
[13:56] <ikonia> as you where told a minute ago
[13:57] <NetworkingPro> ikonia: oh you mean where you said:
[13:57] <NetworkingPro> "ikonia> something like that"
[13:57] <NetworkingPro> thanks for the precise answer...
[13:58] <ikonia> just test it
[13:58] <ikonia> you want me to check the documentation syntax for you ???
[14:32] <pmatulis> NetworkingPro: you want to create a user?
[14:32] <pmatulis> NetworkingPro: if so, check the man page for 'adduser'
[14:45] <NetworkingPro> pmatulis: actually I was trying to figure out the correct syntax to allow a remote user to issue only a single command without a password.
[14:45] <NetworkingPro> I have that figured out, now Im pushing it to all my servers via salt.
[14:45] <NetworkingPro> Thanks for replying though.
[15:11] <pmatulis> NetworkingPro: nicely done
[17:10] <jonah> Hi I just wondered if anyone can help me configure my NUT ups - I do have it monitoring and working. But I'm not convinced my server will acutally shutdown before the power runs out! I did a test earlier and watched the power go from 100% down to 1% and my server wasn't looking like it was beginning any sort of shutdown so I quickly put the power back on in a panic! I've read the docs and googled around but still not sure what I'm doing
[17:10] <jonah> wrong... Anyone help at all?
[17:10] <jonah> How do I set the server to shutdown nicely on Lowbatt level with Nut?
[17:11] <jonah> Also I haven't added a master user. I just left the config file as it is. Do I need a Master user or does it just default to work without one?
[17:55] <ikonia> jonah: isn't this a function of the UPS
[17:55] <ikonia> it has to call the shutdown command, not the server
[18:01] <jonah> ikonia: hi yes it is a bit worrying, just trying now by adding in a master user. Just not sure when the shutdown is supposed to start or how to change this...
[18:02] <ikonia> that would normally be set o the UPS device,
[18:02] <jonah> ikonia: so I don't set it in nut config files etc?
[20:13] <seeeb> Hi guys, anyone able to connect using nomachine nxserver in an ubuntu 14 server?
[20:13] <patdk-wk> yes
[20:13] <seeeb> great
[20:13] <seeeb> with gnome?
[20:14] <seeeb> I've just upgraded a server from 12 to 14.04 and when I connect from my mac I get a black screen
[20:14] <seeeb> does that sound familiar to you patdk-wk?
[20:15] <patdk-wk> nope
[20:15] <patdk-wk> has always worked just fine
[20:15] <seeeb> puh
[20:15] <seeeb> and it's gnome patdk-wk?
[20:16] <patdk-wk> is there another option?
[20:16] <patdk-wk> I know there are like 3 or 4 different gnome options
[20:17] <seeeb> if it's all in default it should be gnome
[20:17] <seeeb> may I ask what version of nx server are you running there?  sudo /usr/NX/bin/nxserver --version
[20:17] <patdk-wk> thought default was unity and that would be ubuntu desktop, not server
[20:18] <patdk-wk> NoMachine - Version 4.2.27
[20:18] <seeeb> ah ok
[20:18] <seeeb> I'm running 3.5.0-11
[20:19] <seeeb> that might explain
[20:19] <seeeb> is that the free edition do you know?
[20:23] <k2gremlin> If I want a system to reboot say 4 times a day, I would need 4 seperate crontab jobs correct?
[20:48] <joeb3_> k2gremlin, did you get an answer?
[20:49] <k2gremlin> joeb3_, well got to thinking.. really only need 1 reboot a day I think. But If I need to bump up too 2 or 4.. do I just add more lines at different times?
[20:50] <k2gremlin> joeb3_, its my Plex media server.. for some reason it hangs once in a while. In order to get it to play movies again, I have had to restart it
[20:51] <joeb3_> k2gremlin, one line can specify multiple times.  Look at your /etc/crontab file for the format.  In the hour column you can put 12,16,20.  That will run at 12pm 4pm and 8pm.
[20:51] <k2gremlin> joeb3_, Ahh! Thanks a bunch :P
[23:37] <seeeb> guys anyone could install x2go in ubuntu 14? this guide looks great but I can't add the ppa repo https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-x2goserver-on-ubuntu-14.04-as-vnc-alternative
[23:38] <ikonia> you just need to find a trusted source containing the packages
[23:55] <seeeb> always find a reference to ppa:x2go/stable http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/wiki:repositories:ubuntu
[23:56] <seeeb> but it says cannot add PPA
[23:57] <seeeb> any idea about that ikonia?


[02:12] <luck> anyone know where can i get free server ?
[02:31] <jacky> luck: yeah
[02:31] <jacky> if you have a Facebook account
[02:31] <jacky> check out https://chunkhost.com
[02:46] <luck> jacky: thanks
[02:46] <jacky> np
[02:47] <luck> jacky: do you know what linux book shoul i use?
[02:50] <jacky> :(
[02:50] <jacky> luck's gone
[02:58] <luck> where can i get linux books for free?
[03:59] <holstein> jacky: do you have a chunkhost server?
[04:26] <jacky> holstein: yup
[04:26] <jacky> liked it so much, I started paying for it
[16:13] <ubuntuu5er> hello
[16:13] <ubuntuu5er> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s_9Djnri8A          ubuntu firefox tricks HD
[17:54] <rogier> When i boot up my laptop the back light is set to 0. This is not very nice cause it looks like the laptop is broken. Off course you can see if you turn it up using the fn keys. How do i set it so that it's on when i start it?
[21:34] <niltonvasques> Hello
[21:35] <niltonvasques> Anybody can tell me, How I do for every time I start ubuntu my partition of files mount automatically?
[21:36] <holstein> !fstab
[21:36] <niltonvasques> Thanks guys !
[21:36] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[21:53] <niltonvasques> Reboot for test '-'
[21:56] <niltonvasques> Works fine ;) thanks
[21:57] <holstein> niltonvasques: cheers
[21:57] <niltonvasques> \o/ rs


[18:44] <Faissl> أقول جريح يا اهل الهوا
[20:15] <seiflotfy> hey guys
[20:15] <seiflotfy> hi MohamedAlaa98
[20:16] <MohamedAlaa98> HI
[20:16] <MohamedAlaa98> hi seiflotfy
[20:17] <MohamedAlaa98> how are you?
[20:18] <MohamedAlaa98> :)
[20:18] <seiflotfy> i am fine
[20:18] <seiflotfy> much better
[20:18] <seiflotfy> my latest ubuntu work is being released
[20:18] <seiflotfy> :D
[20:19] <MohamedAlaa98> Mabrouk:)
[20:20] <MohamedAlaa98> What is it?
[20:23] <seiflotfy> the privacy stuff in ubuntu
[20:23] <seiflotfy> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/03/ubuntu-1204-will-bring-os-level-privacy-options
[20:25] <MohamedAlaa98> checking it out
[20:26] <MohamedAlaa98> Another Zeitgeist work, isn't
[20:26] <seiflotfy> yep
[20:26] <seiflotfy> its zeitgeist
[20:26] <MohamedAlaa98> Good job!
[20:27] <seiflotfy> thanks
[20:28] <MohamedAlaa98> 12.04 will have great features
[20:29] <seiflotfy> yep
[20:30] <MohamedAlaa98> so, what's next?
[20:31] <seiflotfy> wait and see
[20:31] <MohamedAlaa98> :) your next job?
[20:31] <seiflotfy> u ought to hang out on the #zeitgeist channel
[20:31] <seiflotfy> :P
[20:31] <seiflotfy> i cant talk about it yet
[20:31] <seiflotfy> but i go t2
[20:31] <seiflotfy> one of them is zeitgeist related
[20:31] <seiflotfy> the other is "privacy related"
[20:34] <MohamedAlaa98> oooh
[20:34] <MohamedAlaa98> 29 people in the room
[20:35] <MohamedAlaa98> Rabena Ma3ak :)
[20:37] <MohamedAlaa98> I'm sorry about gnome clocks project , I've many problems with it :(
[20:50] <seiflotfy> its ok
[20:54] <MohamedAlaa98> did you finished it?
[22:48] <DelphiWorld> salam
[22:49] <DelphiWorld> hi egyDev ;)


[21:49] <ivarela> hi all, anyone has problems with latest translations in Firefox for Ubuntu?
[21:50] <ivarela> I've updated it, and Firefox appears in English, not in my language..


[00:31] <stlsaint> has anyone used dropbox and how secure is it?
[00:43] <ZachK_> hello zeroseven0183
[00:43] <zeroseven0183> ZachK_: good morning
[00:44] <ZachK_> zeroseven0183: good evening for me..it's almost seven at night for me
[00:45] <zeroseven0183> I see. So how's your computing?
[00:45] <ZachK_> zeroseven0183: depends upon the are of computing...why?
[00:45] <zeroseven0183> Sorry but is it 7PM saturday or 7PM sunday?
[00:45] <ZachK_> sat
[00:46] <zeroseven0183> I see.  I see. Anyway, how's your Ubuntu machine going?
[00:50] <stlsaint> robin hood is out...i plan to see it today!
[00:52] <zeroseven0183> stlsaint: The movie is very good. Actually, I saw it last night.
[00:52] <zeroseven0183> But I have to re-read my history again to see if the facts are accurate
[00:53] <HoboSteaux> hey so i have a 2 parter: first i tried a last ditch fglrx install since i was gettin very bad frames in video playback with a x1650. unfortunately it bricked the video and grub doesn not show so i can not getinto the terminal at anytime before the video kicks in. is there any way with a live cd that i could boot into the terminal on my current installation to reverse fglrx (ssh is not installed by default on lubuntu)
[00:53] <ZachK_> zeroseven0183: unfortunately i'm not using an ubuntu machine...
[00:54] <HoboSteaux> 2nd: does anyone know why video playback would be stuttering, its an 800 x 640 tv screen (dvi out), radeon x1650 pro, celeron 2.5
[00:54] <zeroseven0183> Here we go...
[00:57] <zeroseven0183> HoboSteaux: I'd like to help you on that but my skills aren't good enough. I'll look for some answers in the web.
[00:57] <HoboSteaux> oh dont worry about researching anything for me, i was just throwing it out there for anyone that knew offhand
[01:00] <zeroseven0183> Have you asked the people in #ubuntu about that?
[01:02] <HoboSteaux> i know itll turn into a quick flamewar/[duh! its in the forums dumbass]
[01:16] <ZachK_> !language | HoboSteaux
[01:16] <Votebot> HoboSteaux: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[01:20] <pedro3005> ZachK_, don't need to be so strict now
[01:21] <pedro3005> he wasn't offending anyone
[01:22] <zeroseven0183> HoboSteaux: I didn't find anything similar that could help. Sorry
[01:30] <HoboSteaux> alright thank you man
[04:06] <HoboSteaux> im having problems with laggy video playback on tv out, ati x1650, celeron 2.5
[05:03] <stlsaint> so no one has used dropbox?
[05:03] <nigelb> stlsaint: I know people who've used it
[05:11] <stlsaint> nigelb: nevermind...i thought it would be a bit more secure than it really is...
[05:11] <stlsaint> maybe good for sharing family photos but thats about it
[05:11] <nigelb> stlsaint: flickr is way better
[05:11] <nigelb> or picasa
[05:11] <tenach> stlsaint, the only person I knew who used dropbox is also the same person who burned me and forced me out of working with two clients.  I don't like dropbox.
[05:11] <nigelb> you can set access rights for each picture
[05:12] <stlsaint> tenach: hehe
[05:12] <stlsaint> nigelb: yes this i know but i was hoping it was more secure as in a way to possibly store backups
[05:12] <nigelb> stlsaint: flickr doesn't loose your pics either
[05:13] <nigelb> I storemy backups on picasa
[08:43] <nishanth>  someone in here who can help with microsoft media server plugin
[09:07] <kermiac> nishanth: I haven't needed mms plugin it but have you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[09:08] <kermiac> oops, extra "it" hehe
[09:08] <nishanth> yes i have
[09:09] <stevepl> hello everyone,i have got a new core-i7 hp dv6 laptop and it has problem running any live distro, but i can succefully boot using noapic nolapic mode , it is worse since it detects only a single core, plz help
[09:09] <nishanth> it is still not working properly....i mean like the video starts but it all it show is a frozen picture
[09:12] <nigelb> 1/ws 24
[09:12] <nigelb> gr
[09:14] <kermiac> nishanth: got a url of the site you're having troubles with?
[09:15] <nishanth> wait a sec
[09:16] <nishanth> mms://<IP_ADDRESS>/asianet_web1
[09:18] <nishanth> hey let me give you the URL try using it in vlc
[09:18] <nishanth> mms://<IP_ADDRESS>/asianet_web1
[09:20] <nishanth> anyclues?
[09:20] <kermiac> hm... not working in vlc, smplayer or totem... just firing up a VM to see if windows handles it
[09:22] <nishanth> vlc does not respond at all when i try it, but totem atleast tells buffering and the stops
[09:22] <ddecator> yah, vlc isn't doing anything for me
[09:23] <zeroseven0183> nishanth: Do you have any similar sites that we can test? It could be that the site has problems?
[09:24] <nishanth> one sec i could give you a different link
[09:24] <nishanth> but from the same site
[09:24] <nishanth> http://olangal.com/movies/watch-malayalam-movies-online/2057-surya.html
[09:25] <kermiac> that file's not working for me in a windows VM either. tried wmp & media player classic
[09:25] <nishanth> a different live stream
[09:25] <nigelb> well, mystery solved, server down I think
[09:26] <nigelb> 'You don't have permission to access /movies/watch-malayalam-movies-online/2057-surya.html on this server.
[09:26] <ddecator> i don't even get that warning, just nothing, haha
[09:26] <nishanth> well i have a different link from a different site....but i dont know if it is still live
[09:27] <nishanth> nigelb: at times they do go down.. but i cant play it even when they are live
[09:28] <kermiac> yup same for me in a vm ^^ no warning or anything - just blank/black
[09:28] <nigelb> nishanth: seems to be a trouble at the provider end, kermiac tested on windows too
[09:29] <nigelb> I just attened uds remotely, so I know live audio can be played
[09:29] <ddecator> nigelb: +1
[09:29] <nishanth> any of guys know any other website that use microsoft media server plugin
[09:29] <nigelb> ddecator: I did tell you about chromium right?
[09:29] <kermiac> nasa uses it IIRC
[09:30] <kermiac> & their videos work ok
[09:30] <ddecator> nigelb: that it's default for netbook but firefox is staying for desktop?
[09:30] <nishanth> so that i can confirm that this does not work for me
[09:30] <nigelb> ddecator: I told you it would be default for netbook for screen real estate
[09:30] <nigelb> desktop I was pretty sure mozilla team could make it :)
[09:31] <ddecator> nigelb: ah, that makes sense. ff4 should address that, but i understand they need something more immediate, at least for maverick
[09:31] <ddecator> i just realized that my notifications stopped >:(
[09:31] <nigelb> ddecator: yeah, also, I think they did a lot fo ground work with unity
[09:31] <nigelb> you saw the keynote right?
[09:32] <ddecator> part, not all
[09:32] <nishanth> one tangential question which is better lucid or karmic?????? i used lucid earlier but my computer freezes and had to hardboot hell lot of times
[09:32] <nigelb> nishanth: did you log a bug for those issues
[09:32] <ddecator> nishanth: waiting until a month after release usually helps =)
[09:32] <ddecator> but lucid is better imo
[09:32] <nigelb> lucid is by far the rest
[09:33] <nigelb> s/rest/best
[09:33] <nigelb> sigh, some day I'll learn to spell
[09:33] <nishanth> so wat is the verdict....upgrade now, or after one month or stay with karmic
[09:33] <kermiac> nishanth: I think it depends on the computer you use it on - on all but 1 of mine I agree that lucid is better. However on another i need to do a hard reboot 15 times or so before I can eventually log in
[09:34] <ddecator> nishanth: if you have an ati video card, i'd say wait
[09:34] <ddecator> ati is acting all kinds of strange on lucid...
[09:34] <kermiac> but that's a very weird laptop - HP HDX9300
[09:34] <nishanth> intel graphics card with i5 processor
[09:35] <ddecator> you _should_ be good then. you can always try with a live cd to see if that has any issues
[09:35] <kermiac> nishanth: with that config I would definitely install lucid
[09:35] <nigelb> try running a lucid livecd and checkout, works fine, go for it
[09:35] <nishanth> and yes i noticed that if i use  intel driver instead of vesa my computer freezes
[09:35] <ddecator> great minds...
[09:35] <nishanth> i mean on karmic
[09:35] <nigelb> ddecator: think alike :D
[09:35] <ddecator> nigelb: exactly, haha
[09:36] <nigelb> ddecator: haha
[09:36] <nishanth> anyone know why this could be that when i use intel driver instead of vesa my computer freezes?
[09:36] <nigelb> nishanth: please log bugs for issues you face so the X team can look into it
[09:37] <nishanth> nigelb : how do i do that...i am newbee to linux..still in the process of migration from windows
[09:38] <nigelb> ddecator: its on the find the right package page right?
[09:38] <ddecator> nigelb: not sure, let me check. i know xserver-xorg-video-intel is the default...
[09:39] <nigelb> ddecator: btw, try killing and restarting notify osd
[09:39] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting
[09:40] <nigelb> ok, nishanth you may want to read ^ page for X troubles
[09:40] <nigelb> it may be technical, if you've got doubts, pop by in #ubuntu-bugs and explain you want to file a bug about freezes and what you're finding difficult
[09:40] <nigelb> btw, all 3 of us are always there so if you dont get response for sometime, feel free to ping one of us
[09:41] <nishanth> ok... i guess i have had enough help for today.. i am off to upgrade to lucid
[09:41] <nigelb> ok, happy upgrade :)
[09:41] <nishanth> thanx everyone
[09:42] <kermiac> have fun nishanth :)
[09:42] <zeroseven0183> enjoy
[09:42] <zeroseven0183> My turn: I just noticed that Nautilus is not recognizing my USB disks. It does not automount any flash drive I insert.
[09:43] <zeroseven0183> But Disk Utility detects them
[09:43] <zeroseven0183> Any thoughts?
[09:43] <ddecator> is nautilus set to automount external media?
[09:44] <zeroseven0183> I didn't change anything in Nautilus, so yes.
[09:44] <zeroseven0183> I believe Nautilus automounts external media by default, right?
[09:44] <ddecator> should
[09:44] <zeroseven0183> But I can mount the drives easily with Disk Utility
[09:45] <zeroseven0183> I'm wondering what went wrong
[09:45] <zeroseven0183> Last night I was able to see immediately the partition/USB drive
[09:45] <nigelb> hm, thats strage
[09:45] <zeroseven0183> But now, I have to do that
[09:46] <zeroseven0183> I'm thinking the last update I installed caused that but that's unusual
[09:46] <ddecator> does it persist after a restart?
[09:47] <zeroseven0183> Still a problem after a reboot
[09:48] <nigelb> trying the same media?
[09:48] <zeroseven0183> I have three different USB drives which I tested and none of them were automatically mounted by Nautilus
[09:49] <ddecator> try opening a nautilus window, then go to Edit > Preferances > Media and see if Browse Media when Inserted is checked
[09:49] <ddecator> not sure if that's related to mounting or not, but only option i see in the preferences window that's related
[09:50] <kermiac> zeroseven0183: try the steps outline at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[09:50] <nigelb> I see the same issue with cdrom on my computer
[09:50]  * ddecator looks for a nautilus bug report
[09:51] <zeroseven0183> I deactivated and reactivated the media_automount
[09:51] <zeroseven0183> But same thing
[09:51] <ddecator> what version of ubuntu?
[09:51] <zeroseven0183> as stated in the link kermiac posted
[09:51] <zeroseven0183> 10.04
[09:52] <zeroseven0183> nigelb: So you have the same issue with your CDRom?
[09:52] <kermiac> hmmm.... very strange
[09:52] <nigelb> zeroseven0183: yup, just manually mounted
[09:52] <nigelb> I shuold log a bug after restarting and confirming its not media specific
[09:53] <nigelb> but first, THGTTG
[09:53] <zeroseven0183> As soon as I insert the drive, I see it in the computer:/// (Location)
[09:53] <zeroseven0183> but it's not mounted automatically so that I can see it in the left panel
[09:54] <zeroseven0183> nigelb: Let me know the bug report number you're filing so I can "second the motion"
[09:54] <nigelb> I dont see it in computer:/// location unless I mount it manually
[09:54] <ddecator> yah, i'm not seeing any promising reports so far
[09:54] <nigelb> since this is a commericial vcd, could be something related to that
[09:55] <zeroseven0183> How about a USB flash drive?
[09:55] <nigelb> flash drive works beautifully
[09:56]  * nigelb goes afk, hitchhikers guide to the galexy bekons
[09:56] <ddecator> haha
[09:56] <zeroseven0183> cool
[09:58] <zeroseven0183> I found a thread similar to this issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1456174
[09:58] <ddecator> hm, only report i found that could be related says that other users are able to automount just fine
[09:58] <ddecator> it's hard to tell if nautilus really is at fault or not
[10:01] <ddecator> man, i loaded the forum and firefox froze...
[10:01] <ddecator> ah, there we go
[10:02] <ddecator> could be related. says it was fixed with an update though. have you checked to make sure there aren't any new updates?
[10:03] <zeroseven0183> As of now, I have all the updates installed
[10:05] <ddecator> what about running 'sudo fdisk -l' like it suggests on the forum?
[10:07] <zeroseven0183> It just lists the devices
[10:07] <zeroseven0183> and I can see it
[10:08] <ddecator> hm, on the forums the op couldn't see it...i'm honestly not sure what package is to blame here. i want to say nautilus, but i could be wrong
[10:08] <zeroseven0183> Wait, I'll try it with Lubuntu on the other partition
[10:12] <zeroseven0183> Automount works with Lubuntu
[10:13] <ddecator> supports nautilus then, but still not entirely sure
[10:18] <zeroseven0183> ddecator: Nautilus is really acting strange for the past few hours
[10:19] <ddecator> in other ways too?
[10:19] <zeroseven0183> Now that I'm back to Ubuntu, it's able to automount the drive
[10:19] <zeroseven0183> In just a matter of minutes :)
[10:19] <ddecator> haha, of course
[10:19] <ddecator> minutes? o.o
[10:20] <ddecator> well at least it's working i suppose...i need to get to bed though. hope it keeps working for you =)
[10:20] <zeroseven0183> Sure
[10:21] <zeroseven0183> Thanks
[10:30] <karl_k> hi all ! i have just upgraded to 10.4 on my netbook and suddenly all windows vanish
[10:31] <karl_k> whatever i open, it just gets minimized&vanishes immediately
[10:31] <karl_k> even the logout window vanishes
[10:35] <zeroseven0183> karl_k: Normally, I do a fresh install instead of upgrading
[10:35] <zeroseven0183> Because there are some unknown issues when upgrading
[10:36] <karl_k> well , that would be the windows way
[10:36] <zeroseven0183> Can you check if the programs are still running in System Monitor?
[10:36] <karl_k> but i see that my old usernames dont work at all, i have just added a new user, and the same problem
[10:36] <karl_k> the program run fine, they just seem to be minimized
[10:37] <karl_k> i can click the icon on the top left, the window shows up, but immediately vanishes again
[10:37] <karl_k> the normal gnome interface works fine, but the nbr doesnt, not the nbr not the nbr 2d
[10:38] <zeroseven0183> The UNE?
[10:38] <karl_k> yep
[10:38] <karl_k> in the login screen you can select gnome, nbe, nbe 2d. only the first works
[10:39] <zeroseven0183> Can you try booting to an earlier kernel?
[10:39] <zeroseven0183> Have you tried...\
[10:40] <karl_k> no i have not, which would be the correct kernel version for 10.4 ?
[10:40] <karl_k> i got lots...
[10:43] <zeroseven0183> 2.6.32-16
[10:43] <zeroseven0183> I believe
[10:43] <zeroseven0183> But just go one kernel version back at a time
[10:44] <karl_k> hmm i run 2.6.32-22-generic
[14:58] <knoxx> hi, i'm having problems with setting the X.conf to load the 1024x768 resolution on boot instead of nvidia-auto-select +0+0 , can you plz tell me what to put there instead of that line ?
[17:06] <kidtp> hello, does anyone know how to use wine? i am trying to download the htc sync for my droid erris, but it is only for windows. any help?
[17:13] <ZachK_> kidtp: i know how to use wine..somewhat
[17:14] <phillw> kidtp: either http://www.winehq.org/ or the main sub-forum area over at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=313
[17:14] <kidtp> zachk_: ok thanks
[17:15] <kidtp> phillw: thanks
[17:15] <ZachK_> kidtp: check out those links...should have all you need
[17:15] <ZachK_> good one phillw
[17:16] <drubin> kidtp: Have you gotten the file downloaded?
[17:17] <kidtp> drubin: when i try to download it an error pops up that says it is not a zipfile
[17:18] <kidtp> drubin: then i tried saving it instead and then maybe move it into wine but i am lost now
[17:18] <drubin> kidtp: Ok so where did you save the file too?
[17:18] <kidtp> drubin: i have no idea. it wouldn't let me choose
[17:20] <drubin> kidtp: it is possible in downloads
[17:21] <kidtp> drubin: ya i just found it
[17:21] <drubin> kidtp: Open up a terminal and type cd ~/Downloads/
[17:21] <kidtp> drubin: it is in downloads
[17:21] <drubin> then type "wine <filename.exe>" with out quotes
[17:21] <kidtp> ok
[17:21] <drubin> kidtp: that should install the sync software but I am not sure it will work with USB ;/
[17:22] <kidtp> i hope it does
[17:22] <drubin> kidtp: else what do you want to sync because most things you don't need software ;-p I have a nexus one and use it all the time with ubuntu
[17:23] <drubin> nhandler: please remove voice
[17:23] <kidtp> drubin: there is an update for droid eris and i want to get it but it will erase all my contacts and i dont feel like asking everyone again
[17:23] <drubin> kidtp: Are your contacts synced to google?
[17:23] <kidtp> drubin: how do i do that?
[17:24] <drubin> kidtp: I used mybackup from the market to backup my contacts
[17:24] <drubin> there is a trial 30day app, but that is all you need
[17:24] <drubin> "mybackup" is its name
[17:25] <drubin> it saves your backuped configs/sms/mms/contacts and other stuff to your SD kard
[17:25] <drubin> card
[17:27] <kidtp> hmm
[17:27] <kidtp> and then it will all be there after the update?
[17:28] <drubin> kidtp: It should
[17:28] <drubin> but updates shouldn't erase your stuff
[17:28] <drubin> but this backs it up so you can restore it after
[17:28] <kidtp> the update told me i would have to resync my contacts
[17:33] <kidtp> so i can back this up online too?
[17:33] <kidtp> i did the sd card option but where would online go?
[17:34] <drubin> kidtp: to their servers
[17:34] <drubin> but you have to pay for that
[17:34] <kidtp> oh ok
[17:35] <kidtp> if it erases my apps do i just reinstall the app to get every thing back?, drubin
[17:35] <drubin> kidtp: Yes
[17:35] <drubin> that is what I did
[17:35] <drubin> but as for your backupnig up your contacts to google
[17:36] <drubin> kidtp: simply go to settings account and sync and enable it ;=p
[17:37] <kidtp> drubin: i hope your right
[17:38] <drubin> kidtp: try a few backup apps
[17:38] <kidtp> drubin: im installing the update right now...a little too late lol
[17:39] <kidtp> drubin it is taking awhile to download
[17:39] <drubin> I have updated my N1 a few times
[18:53] <ps__> i am planning to upgrade from jaunty to lucid on a dual boot machine...is there any other way (like using synaptic) instead of fresh install
[18:55] <nishanth> what does this mean.....(EE) VESA kernel modesetting driver in use refuse to load
[18:56] <nishanth> it comes with a prompt saying ubuntu running in low graphics mode
[19:06] <nishanth> what does this mean.....(EE) VESA kernel modesetting driver in use refuse to load, it comes with a prompt saying ubuntu running in low graphics mode
[19:19] <nishanth> what does this mean.....(EE) VESA kernel modesetting driver in use refuse to load
 it comes with a prompt saying ubuntu running in low graphics mode
[19:24] <drubin> kidtp: did you get sorted
[19:24] <kidtp> drubin: ya thanks
[19:25] <kidtp> drubin: i had to shut off my laptop to go outside and help my dad. it has been done for awhile now
[19:26] <drubin> kidtp: No worries just thought I would check up
[19:27] <kidtp> drubin: so if i install and uninstall the app will the trial start over?
[19:27] <drubin> kidtp: Not sure
[19:28] <kidtp> drubin: im guessing you just bought it?
[19:34] <nishanth> anyone know how to fix a badly configured video driver?
[19:53] <nishanth> anyone know what this mean.....(EE) VESA kernel modesetting driver in use refuse to load, it comes with a prompt saying ubuntu running in low graphics mode
[20:28] <nishanth> so dead
[20:58] <AJH101> Hi can anyone help me to get Transmission (torrent client) to auto start please?
[20:59] <pedro3005> hello AJH101
[21:00] <AJH101> Hi
[21:00] <pedro3005> Have you tried inserting it at System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications?
[21:01] <AJH101> have got the 'auto remember running apps' tcked but no joy
[21:01] <AJH101> where do I find the app to choose?
[21:02] <pedro3005> AJH101, just put 'transmission' as the command
[21:02] <pedro3005> without quotes
[21:02] <AJH101> pedro thanks will let you know how it works!
[21:02] <AJH101> thanks
[21:08] <ZachK_> hey Appl6!
[21:09] <Appl6> Hello.
[21:11] <ZachK_> Appl6: how be you today?
[21:13] <Appl6> ZachK_: Well, thanks.
[21:14] <ZachK_> :-D
[21:28] <daimaru> um test test :)
[21:29] <daimaru> does anyone know a tool to monitor cpu frequency on intel core i5-750 cpu ?
[21:30] <daimaru> cpufrequtils does not work, neither does CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor applet
[21:37] <Appl6> daimaru: What do you mean "does not work"?  Also, you can try "less /proc/cpuinfo" from a terminal, and look for the lines starting with "cpu MHz" to indicate the frequency of each core.
[21:53] <daimaru> proc cpuinfo gives me cpu MHz: 3715.457 but when i try to add the montitoring applet to the panel i get an error saying that cpu scaling is unsupported
[21:54] <daimaru> model name:Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750  @ 2.67GHz   \n cpu MHz: 3715.457
[21:54] <daimaru> just not sure if it is the actual frequency its running since i cant monitor it in realtime
[21:59] <Appl6> daimaru: Please put my nick in your messages.
[21:59] <daimaru> @Appl6 sorry new to this
[22:00] <Appl6> daimaru: CPU scaling means _changing_ the frequency.  Monitoring is different from changing.  If your CPU does not, in fact, support CPU scaling, then you don't have to monitor the frequency; the frequency will always be the same.
[22:00] <Appl6> daimaru: However, I don't know whether or not your CPU supports scaling.  It may just be that Linux, or cpufrequtils, or whatever it is, _thinks_ your CPU doesn't support it.
[22:01] <daimaru> @Appl6 yeah i think so too the intel i5 series has this Turbo boost thing and I just wanted to see if it actually works under linux
[22:03] <Appl6> daimaru: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1321028&page=2
[22:06] <Appl6> daimaru: See also the link to the Red Hat Knowledgebase that is mentioned in the thread (copied here for convenience): http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/docs/DOC-17124
[22:08] <daimaru_> @Appl6: thank and sorry just encountered a new and weird problem. which i thougt i had solved. my keyboard seems to sometimes just stop working. only since 10.04 never before did it now work. thats why i had to restart just now to get typing back :)
[22:09] <daimaru_> Appl6: will check the forum thread thank you and i guess i will have to troubleshoot the keyboard thing somehow
[22:10] <Appl6> daimaru_: No problem.  Do you have a wireless keyboard?  Can you look at "dmesg | less" and see if there's anything strange related to your keyboard.
[22:11] <daimaru_> Appl6: no thats just the weird thing. its plugged in not wireless
[22:11] <Appl6> daimaru_: If the keyboard is really a problem, you can add an onscreen keyboard to the panel, so that you can at least do something before restarting.
[22:12] <daimaru_> Appl6: never had a problem like that before and thought i had solved it because it used to happen within the first 5 minutes of system start normally. now my system was up and running for 5 hours give or take.
[22:12] <daimaru_> Appl6: Cool how do i get the onscreen keyboard=
[22:13] <Appl6> daimaru_: Right click on the panel, select Add to Panel.
[22:13] <Appl6> daimaru_: Select Custom Application Launcher.
[22:13] <daimaru_> Appl6: yep
[22:13] <Appl6> daimaru_: Name: Onscreen Keyboard    Command: onboard    then click OK.
[22:14] <Appl6> daimaru_: Actually, you can name it whatever you want.
[22:14] <daimaru_> Appl6: ok done works thanks alot
[22:14] <Appl6> daimaru_: Sure.
[22:14] <daimaru_> Appl6: at least now i can tell you if it stops working again. last time i was sitting there copy pasting "brb" and then realizing that i cant copy the enter command :)
[22:16] <Appl6> daimaru_: Are you using Pidgin?
[22:16] <daimaru_> Appl6: do you have any idea which log i could look into (now that i restarted) where there might still be something about the keyboard thing logged ?  -- pidgin=no
[22:16] <Appl6> daimaru_: Yes, the "dmesg | less" would look at one of the logs.
[22:17] <Appl6> daimaru_: You can also look at "less /var/log/messages"
[22:18] <daimaru_> Appl6: yeah looking at it right now, but isnt the stuff in /var/log/messages cleared durring reboot?
[22:18] <Appl6> daimaru_: You may be right.  I'm not sure.
[22:20] <daimaru_> Appl6: just checking the sytem log viewer it has the old logs too. but will take some time to find something about keyboard. i did see this but not sure if its normal --> module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. [    5.932697] Disabling lock debugging due to kernel taint
[22:20] <daimaru_> Appl6: will take a thorough look at the logs. Tanks for your help
[22:21] <Appl6> Appl6: /var/log/messages does get reset, but you should have older versions (messages.1, messages.2, maybe others) in your /var/log directory.
[22:23] <Appl6> daimaru_: "tainting" the kernel means that you're using a non-free driver (for your NVIDIA card).  This is to let anyone debugging the kernel know that the problem might be coming from this module where the source isn't available.
[22:23] <daimaru_> Appl6: ok
[22:27] <daimaru_> Appl6: well i cant find anything in the logs. all the older logs from today are from the morning. and the ones from just now don't say anything special. Guess I will have to google a bit to see if anyone else has had this problem.
[22:30] <Appl6> daimaru_: A kind of shotgun solution is "sudo grep -r keyboard /var/log | less"
[22:34] <daimaru_> Appl6: gonna look through that. but found alot of other people having problems with keyboard and mouse in ubuntu 10.04. my mouse acted up once too. like it was not polling correctly or something. but the keyboard thing seems to be more frequent.
[22:36] <Appl6> daimaru_: Can you paste some links, please?
[22:37] <daimaru_> Appl6: http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/ubuntu-10-04-full-bugs-keyboard-stops-working-seems-popular-help-197822851.html
[22:37] <daimaru_> Appl6: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1468165&page=2
[22:39] <daimaru_> Appl6: this one seems to be more informative http://blog.ichinmay.com/2010/05/03/ubuntu-10-04-upgrade-from-9-10-usb-keyboard-mouse-problem/
[22:44] <daimaru_> Appl6: damn most people have the problem that their keyboard does not work from the start. mine does so it will probably be harder to find a solution. Its a bit late here so i am going to bed. But i will post this problem on ubuntuforums.org with the log file attached, incase you are not in this chat server tomorrow. you can find me under my username daimaru.
[22:44] <daimaru_> Appl6: thanks for your help and input will let you know if i find a fix. night
[22:44] <Appl6> daimaru_: Bye.
[22:45] <daimaru_> Appl6: bye


[11:53] <balloons> Howdy everyone
[11:56] <flocculant> hi balloons
[15:51] <svij> balloons: heya, what are the next steps for the iso testing issue?
[16:19] <balloons> hey svij. Trying to get caught up again after being away
[16:20] <svij> ok :)
[16:20] <balloons> So I saw your response about the cloud servers. Basically we have to go back to a real server
[16:20] <balloons> I need to sort through the folks who volunteered and decide on someone :-)
[16:21] <balloons> on the autopilot test side of things, we still need some help getting them going again
[16:21] <svij> yep
[16:21] <balloons> presumably the server issue is more or less sorted
[16:21] <balloons> insomuch as we know what we need
[16:21] <svij> but the bigger question is where/how we get a real server
[16:29] <balloons> svij, some folks were offering options for a server if you remember
[16:30] <svij> I do
[16:30] <svij> he didn't answer my question though
[16:30] <svij> about the exact server hardware
[16:30] <balloons> right. Some others also approached me offline
[16:33] <balloons> I think I have a good canindate in mind
[16:38] <svij> great
[18:30] <artmello> ubuntu-qa: hey guys, we are facing some problems with gallery-app ap tests running on devices with last images. anyone available to help tang a look on that?
[18:30] <artmello> *taking
[18:34] <brendand> artmello, what seems to be the problem officer?
[18:37] <artmello> brendand: hey, after the first test executed, all the other ones seems to fail
[18:38] <brendand> artmello, do you have a log?
[18:38] <brendand> artmello, and does it happen on all devices, which images?
[18:38] <artmello> brendand: ie. https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/gallery-app/thumbnail-mtime/+merge/268185
[18:39] <artmello> brendand:  with this run https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-click-autopilot-runner-mako/909/
[18:39] <artmello> I am able to reproduce on krillin
[18:39] <artmello> brendand: r102
[18:40] <brendand> artmello, it's always that same, no process found with pid X?
[18:40] <artmello> brendand: yep
[18:40] <brendand> artmello, have you tested locally to see if the application launches properly at that point?
[18:41] <brendand> artmello, the most likely reason for that to happen is the gallery died while trying to introspect it
[18:41] <artmello> brendand: the application can be launched fine by menu and running a single test launch it perfectly, on the next text executed it was not launched at all
[18:46] <brendand> artmello, ok
[18:48] <brendand> artmello, gallery app has any log to check what is happening at startup?
[18:51] <artmello> brendand: yes, there is, but with last ui-toolkit changes gallery log output is full with sdk "deprecated" msgs, we are working on those
[19:09] <brendand> artmello, won't be easy to get much further unless you know why it's failing to launch
[19:10] <brendand> artmello, probably some of the test setup etc is changing something and not changing it back or otherwise putting things in a state the gallery app doesn't expect
[19:10] <artmello> brendand: yep, I am trying to find out that, as soon as I find out something I ping you back
[19:14] <brendand> artmello, i'm going out for a moment so might be slow to respond
[19:19] <artmello> brendand: np


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