 Glecirine ?
[06:00] <Kilos> um
[06:00] <Kilos> gelatine
[06:00] <mazal> oi , I'm gonna buy wrong stuff
[06:00] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[06:00] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[06:01] <Kilos> die poeier wat hulle in jellie gebruik
[06:01]  * chesedo thought that koeksister intersection was this one https://www.google.co.za/maps/@-25.6843545,28.2807713,18z
[06:20] <magespawn> good morning
[06:21] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:21] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:21] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy
[06:22] <magespawn> hey Kilos looks like I will be up in your neck of the woods this weekend
[06:23] <Kilos> gonna be cold lad
[06:23] <Kilos> you coming for kids?
[06:23] <magespawn> no, coming up to see my dad before he goes to england and collect a car
[06:24] <magespawn> so pack all my warmest clothes then?
[06:24] <Kilos> is he moving to the uk?
[06:24] <magespawn> looks like it
[06:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:25] <Kilos> many many peeps are leaving
[06:29] <mazal> Morning magespawn , thatgraemeguy
[06:39] <Kilos> days just above 20°c magespawn but nights between 9 and 12°c
[06:45] <thatgraemeguy> is that what passes for "cold" up there? o_O
[06:50] <Kilos> nope thatgraemeguy we get to -2 sometimes
[06:50] <Kilos> this is just the start
[06:50] <Kilos> but magespawn is a nataller
[06:51] <thatgraemeguy> oh right :D
[06:52] <thatgraemeguy> my brother-in-law is from KZN, moved down mmm maybe 2 years ago. Says he doesn't enjoy KZN weather anymore
[06:52] <Kilos> and where he is in the north 10°c is freezing
[06:52] <thatgraemeguy> my old man was from KZN and came to the cape temporarilyin the late 60s i think
[06:52] <thatgraemeguy> just never went back
[06:52] <magespawn> yup so still sitting at 16 and 35 sometime 40
[06:52] <mazal> I must still visit the Cape one day
[06:53] <thatgraemeguy> #capetownrocks :D
[06:53] <magespawn> that is what all the people from cape town say
[06:54] <Kilos> haha
[06:54] <magespawn> it is raining today so i can actually wear trouses without breaking too much of a sweat
[06:54] <Kilos> haha
[06:54] <Kilos> ntal weather rocks
[06:54] <magespawn> trousers
[06:54] <magespawn> bit humid at times
[06:54] <thatgraemeguy> yeah we are back in summer again for the next few days
[07:31] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:31] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell inetpro Dankie vir die koeksister kruising link" 1 hour, 59 minutes and 34 seconds ago
[07:33] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[07:33] <Kilos> you even got your morning in the morning
[07:33] <Kilos> gonna rain
[07:34] <inetpro> oops
[07:34] <inetpro> sorry oom
[07:34] <Kilos> lol
[07:34] <Kilos> we need rain so its fine
[08:53] <pavlushka> Yo Kilos !!
[08:53] <pavlushka> listening to shaggy, lol!
[08:53] <pavlushka> Hi everyone, o/
[08:56] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[08:57] <pavlushka> Hi Kilos!
[08:58] <pavlushka> and why you are applying for Bengali Translations^^??
[08:58] <Kilos> me?
[08:59] <pavlushka> they will not approve you coz you are an African and not approving me caz  I know you.
[08:59] <Kilos> i didnt apply man
[09:00] <pavlushka> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-bn/+members#proposed, check it.
[09:01] <Kilos> oh thats india
[09:03] <Kilos> i have applied there so i can help them get a loco going again
[09:03] <pavlushka> with the same condition?
[09:03] <Kilos> what condition
[09:03] <pavlushka> jammed
[09:04] <Kilos> why you say they blocking you because you know me
[09:04] <pavlushka> just kidding.
[09:04] <Kilos> facts only, dont let your head run away with you
[09:04] <mazal> Oh boy , freezing wind have arrived here
[09:04] <Kilos> there are many waiting for approval
[09:04] <pavlushka> see the waiting list there.
[09:05] <Kilos> yes very many
[09:05] <Kilos> looks like admins have left
[09:05] <pavlushka> since when they are waiting you see.
[09:05] <Kilos> yes
[09:05] <mazal> pavlushka: For interest sake , Kilos found that word
[09:05] <Kilos> same as your was
[09:05] <Kilos> thats what i do
[09:05] <Kilos> i try fix things
[09:06] <pavlushka> mazal, yes, its actually a doughnut derivative
[09:06] <mazal> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruller
[09:06] <pavlushka> Kilos, cp.
[09:06] <mazal> The middle pic is the closest , but we make it little different here
[09:07] <pavlushka> mazal, doesn't matter to me as long as I cant taste it.
[09:08] <mazal> Kilos: Speaking of fixing things , I am in the modd to fiddle with something again
[09:08] <mazal> mood*
[09:08] <Kilos> lol
[09:08] <Kilos> fix you internet man
[09:09] <mazal> That I can't do unfortunately
[09:09] <Kilos> keep nagging
[09:09] <mazal> Am in the mood for a fresh install , been a while
[09:09] <pavlushka> mazal, send some koeksister please.
[09:09] <Kilos> have you tweeted them yet
[09:09] <mazal> I don't have tweet
[09:09] <Kilos> get it then
[09:09] <mazal> pavlushka: I don't bake unfortunately
[09:10] <Kilos> that way you tweet complaints and the world sees it and they make a plan quick to clear complaints and keep looking cool
[09:11] <Kilos> and mail the CEO
[09:11] <mazal> I wonder if I will go Ubu or Kubu this time
[09:13] <Kilos> no matter
[09:13] <Kilos> you will be back kde again when you wake up
[09:13] <mazal> This KDE pc annoyes me a bit
[09:14] <pavlushka> Kilos, lol
[09:14] <Kilos> ai!
[09:14] <mazal> Got slower and slower as time went on , reminds me of Windoze
[09:14] <Kilos> sudo touch /forcefsck
[09:14] <mazal> bbl
[09:16] <pavlushka> I am an Ubuntu fan but tried Xubuntu, not bad, atleast for my low config. tried to explore Lubuntu but it locks me out in the live session.
[09:17] <pavlushka> though I tried other flavors as well.
[09:38] <pavlushka> Kilos, back from lunch, a milestone reached.
[09:39] <Kilos> what pavlushka
[09:41] <pavlushka> Kilos, the lunch is the milestone.
[09:41] <Kilos> lol
[09:47] <pavlushka> Missing Cryterion while burping!
[09:48] <thatgraemeguy> o_O
[09:48] <pavlushka> nice to meet you thatgraemeguy !
[09:49] <pavlushka> ^
[09:51] <thatgraemeguy> charmed, I'm sure ;-p
[10:05] <mazal> Just packed in some of that new Chesa's ribs , quite good
[10:05] <mazal> oom Kilos , that command you gave , shouldn't I add the device name as well ?
[10:12] <Kilos> nope
[10:13] <Kilos> it will fsck whe nyou reboot
[10:14] <Kilos> mazal ^^
[10:32] <Kilos> hi bushtech
[10:32] <Kilos> wb Cryterion
[10:32] <Cryterion> tks
[10:32] <inetpro> mazal: send him the recipe man, then he can make it himself the open source way
[10:33] <Kilos> lol
[10:33] <bushtech> dag Kilos
[10:39] <mazal> Kilos: I have multiple drives , will it check all if you don't specify device name ?
[10:40] <mazal> That's what I meant
[10:40] <mazal> or asked
[10:40] <Kilos> watch when ig runs it will tell you
[10:40] <Kilos> mine checks /storage as well
[10:40] <mazal> k
[10:41] <Kilos> it starts wbefore login in
[10:41] <mazal> And if the drives are not all linux format ?
[10:41] <Kilos> kyk mooi en lees vinnig
[10:41] <mazal> Does it skip the NTFS ones
[10:41] <Kilos> yes i think so
[10:42] <mazal> inetpro: Uhm......Ek het jou verloor. recipe ?
[10:42] <Kilos> why would it want to check ntfs unless the ntfs is whats slowing you down
[10:42] <Kilos> koeksisters man
[10:42] <mazal> ah ok
[10:42] <Kilos> keep up
[10:42] <Kilos> hehe
[10:42] <mazal> Julle maak my duermekaar man
[10:42] <Kilos> lol
[10:43] <Kilos> hy se dit altyd vir my
[10:43] <mazal> Kilos: I added /dev/sda to the command , will see when I boot tomorrow
[10:43] <Kilos> ok
[10:44] <Kilos> but normally trhy things as is then add on
[10:44] <mazal> It's suppose to run every 50 boots or something like that ? Mine has never ran though in about a year now
[10:44] <mazal> Kilos: Jou wou my nie antwoord nie toe add on ek maar
[10:44] <Kilos> it will sort your working system
[10:45] <mazal> If there are an issue on the drive that is
[10:45] <Kilos> ek was buite
[10:45] <mazal> Might be nothing wrong there
[10:45] <Kilos> you complianing its getting slower
[10:45] <Kilos> it runs fast so you must be awake
[10:45] <mazal> Yep
[10:46] <mazal> Yeah I know it , last time I saw it was when I was still on Ubu. This KDE one has never run
[10:46] <Kilos> im sure its mainly to ensure your working system runs well
[10:47] <mazal> And like I say , it's suppose to run automatically every 50 boots , unless it was changed
[10:47] <Kilos> who cares about extra ntfs drives
[10:47] <Kilos> i have no idea
[10:47] <mazal> You do when you work in a multi OS environment. This is at work remember
[10:47] <mazal> Have lots of work stuff backed up on it
[10:48] <mazal> But that won't be the slowdown. It doesn't even mount upon boot , I only mount it when needed
[10:49] <Kilos> ah
[10:57] <pavlushka> mazal, are you angry with me? why you are talking native? ok, send a 1 dollar check, I will buy it.
[10:58] <pavlushka> opensource donation.
[11:00] <mazal> pavlushka: huh ?
[11:04] <pavlushka> mazal, you solved the problem? I am just kidding.
[11:20] <Kilos> pavlushka http://www.food.com/recipe/south-african-koeksisters-309851
[11:20] <inetpro> mazal: Force fsck.ext4 on reboot, but really “forceful” http://askubuntu.com/questions/14740/force-fsck-ext4-on-reboot-but-really-forceful?rq=1
[11:20] <Kilos> hi unlaudable
[11:20] <unlaudable> Kilos, o/
[11:21] <unlaudable> so has there been a discussion about ubuntu on windows yet? ;-P
[11:21] <Kilos> not much
[11:22] <Kilos> the odd comments
[11:23] <inetpro> unlaudable: maybe
[11:32] <pavlushka> Kilos, mazal, almost looks like http://www.bdinfozone.com/%E0%A6%98%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%87-%E0%A6%A4%E0%A7%88%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%9A%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BF/
[11:33] <Kilos> i suppose everyone has their own way of doing things
[11:36] <unlaudable> 8|
[11:47] <inetpro> oh but mazal, I doubt whether your slowing down machine will be a storage issue, unless you run windows
[11:47] <inetpro> start by checking processes and memory utilisation
[11:56] <mazal> inetpro: Thanx. so if I understand that correctly , the force check actually does nothing if that setting in the config is not yes
[11:56] <mazal> It will check but not fix
[11:57] <mazal> inetpro: Oh and no it's not a dual boot , Just Kubu 14.04 with some NTFS partitions which is rarely mounted
[11:59] <mazal> gonna have a reboot and see what it finds if anything
[12:04] <mazal> Ok fsck ran , but didn't find or do anything that I could see
[12:05] <Kilos> isnt it faster
[12:05] <mazal> nope
[12:05] <Kilos> did you change the last line to =yes
[12:06] <mazal> Yeah I changed the relevant config to yes
[12:06] <mazal> ./etc/default something as per that link
[12:06] <Kilos> ok then you gotta ask pro for links to see whats slowing it down
[12:07] <Kilos> something shows what is using resources
[12:07] <Kilos> been there, done that , then forgot
[12:08] <Kilos> maybe swap is off
[12:09] <mazal> Don't think I have a swap
[12:09] <Kilos> ai!
[12:10] <mazal> Can't remember when I installed
[12:10] <Kilos> swap frees up ram
[12:10] <Kilos> look for a swap partition
[12:11] <mazal> I do have one I  see
[12:11] <Kilos> size
[12:11] <mazal> Dunno , it's not readable
[12:12] <Kilos> gparted will show size
[12:12] <mazal> Lemme go to gparted rather
[12:12] <Kilos> and what /swap is
[12:12] <mazal> 5.32 gig
[12:13] <Kilos> i dont know how to check if its on
[12:13] <Kilos> sudo swapon /dev/sda?
[12:13] <mazal> I don't even think it's used really
[12:13] <mazal> Maybe in old days with little ram
[12:13] <Kilos> how much ram have you got
[12:13] <mazal> 16 gig
[12:13] <Kilos> ah
[12:14] <Kilos> i only have 4
[12:14] <mazal> Trying to remember the command that shows mem usage
[12:15] <Kilos> mine hasnt slowed down at all since installing
[12:15] <mazal> Does KDE have a task manager or something that shows resources ?
[12:15] <Kilos> inetpro ^
[12:15] <MaNI> yes - ksysguard
[12:15] <MaNI> or ctrl + shit + escape
[12:15] <MaNI> *shift
[12:16] <Kilos> lol
[12:16] <mazal> Does nothing
[12:16] <MaNI> or ctrl + escape
[12:16] <Kilos> ty MaNI
[12:16] <mazal> Ok that works
[12:17] <mazal> Doesn't seem to be a memory hog. Highest in use is only 140k , all other apps is below that
[12:17] <MaNI> though if in doubt htop is always best anyway :p
[12:18] <mazal> Aaah there's the one I tried to remember !!!!!!
[12:19] <mazal> htop also not showing anything weird. Highest cpu app jumps between 4 and 5 % and ram highest at about 1%
[12:20] <mazal> Total ram in use 965mb
[12:21] <Kilos> where you see that
[12:23] <mazal> That pic paste refuse to work otherwise I could show you
[12:23] <mazal> Even less ram now 925mb
[12:24] <mazal> http://picpaste.com/htop-5vNQJwCz.png
[12:24] <Kilos> im running htop but dont see where you see total ram use
[12:25] <mazal> Top left
[12:26] <mazal> In my pic it's 928/16002
[12:26] <Kilos> oh
[12:26] <Kilos> mine is 930 and swap 642
[12:26] <mazal> Might be hardware also
[12:26] <mazal> Maybe the ram or cpu is not lekker anymore
[12:27] <mazal> BTW the picpaste in the topic I can't get to work , just as a side note. Copy and paste tells me " no image data on clipboard ". Drag and drop from file manager keeps minimizing the window that I can't drag into it
[12:27] <Kilos> you arent using swap i see
[12:28] <mazal> Yeah , not meccesary
[12:28] <mazal> neccesary*
[12:28] <mazal> I can't remember any of my pc's ever using swap space. ( 8 gig and more ram ). The old ones might have used it
[12:29] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1889034
[12:30] <mazal> gtg for now , have a nice evening everyone
[12:30] <Kilos> you too
[12:30] <mazal> bye
[12:31] <Kilos> magespawn why so quiet
[12:34] <Kilos> my clearance is done yay
[12:57] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[12:57] <magespawn> the clearance for oz?
[12:57] <Kilos> from the cops ya
[12:57] <Kilos> now to get it , copy and send to visa peeps
[12:57] <magespawn> excellent
[12:57] <magespawn> so simple and easy[6~
[12:58] <Kilos> haha
[12:58] <Kilos> yeah everything is simple, it just the waiting that takes forever
[12:59] <Kilos> i started the whole process in november hoping to be there for xmas and new year
[12:59] <Kilos> now ill get there in winter
[12:59] <Kilos> sigh
[12:59] <Kilos> ill just stay in bed i think
[13:25] <Kilos> just started raining here
[13:26] <Kilos> inetpro go home quick
[13:26] <inetpro> if it started then it is too late sir
[13:26] <Kilos> nono we far from town
[13:27] <Kilos> just go
[13:27] <Kilos> or spend the night at work without pap en sous
[14:08] <Kilos> aw, so little rain
[14:08]  * Kilos wonders if pro even got wet
[14:26] <Kilos> lol
[14:30] <pavlushka> Kilos, I am getting addicted on irc, its all your fault.
[14:30] <Kilos> good
[14:30] <pavlushka> ping theblazehen:
[14:32] <pavlushka> my bad, wrong prep, to irc.
[14:32] <Kilos> np
[14:32] <Kilos> get addicted to learning python too
[14:33] <pavlushka> okey dokey, Kilos !
[16:08] <Kilos> inetpro het jy nat gekry?
[16:21] <Cryterion> hoekom is sy nat?
[16:35] <chesedo> Oo guys, anyone interest in the Ubuntu for Hope might want to check in later - Karl may be here to give an update
[16:36] <Kilos> cool
[16:36] <Kilos> we should all be interested in helping karl
[16:37] <chesedo> And if anyone can help with a logo or website then also check in
[16:37]  * chesedo now here on mobile just for it :)
[16:38] <Kilos> the website must be made from scratch??
[16:39] <Kilos> fly the best one for the job
[16:39] <Kilos> but he so busy
[16:40] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:40] <chesedo> Don't know. He has this so far Ubuntuforhope.org
[16:40]  * chesedo will check it later on lappy
[16:41] <Kilos> google cant find it
[16:41] <Kilos> Maaz google Ubuntuforhope.org
[16:41] <Maaz> Kilos: Wow! Google couldn't find anything
[16:42] <chesedo> Kilos it too new...
[16:42] <chesedo> Why use Google to go to address
[16:42] <Kilos> http:// in front
[16:42] <Kilos> it wasnt clickable
[16:43] <chesedo> Sound like irc client issue
[16:44] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforhope.org
[16:44] <Kilos> that works
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat'
[17:40] <Cryterion> grrr, the ubuntu for hope is a twitter thing
[17:40] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> buidling the site wont involved twitter
[17:42] <Kilos> building
[17:42] <Cryterion> nope, but it just guides you to the twitter channel
[17:42] <Kilos> its all connection he had at the time
[17:43] <Kilos> some peeps live on the tweet place
[17:43] <Cryterion> it's still building, things take time
[17:43] <Kilos> ask inetpro
[17:43] <Cryterion> yeah some do
[17:43] <Kilos> you didnt know
[17:43] <Kilos> um
[17:43] <Cryterion> ?
[17:43] <Kilos> er
[17:44] <Kilos> forgot
[17:44] <Kilos> oh
[17:44] <Kilos> corrie 306 or something
[17:44] <Cryterion> didn't know what?
[17:44] <Cryterion> huh?
[17:44] <Kilos> he was here when i joined
[17:44] <Kilos> helped me with repos and stuff
[17:44] <Cryterion> If it's twitter related then I won't know
[17:44] <Kilos> then left
[17:45] <Cryterion> Kilo's I'm confused
[17:45] <Cryterion> Kilos*
[17:45] <Kilos> corrie306 is his nick
[17:45] <Kilos> he was here on u buntu
[17:45] <Cryterion> ah, for the ubuntuforhope
[17:46] <Kilos> then went somewhere
[17:46] <Cryterion> ok
[17:46] <Kilos> no man
[17:46] <Cryterion> hmmm
[17:46] <Kilos> he tweeted none stop
[17:46] <Kilos> dunno where he went
[17:46] <Cryterion> don't use twitter so would never have seen it
[17:46] <Kilos> Maaz seen corrie306
[17:46] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know who corrie306 is
[17:46] <Kilos> oh my
[17:47] <Kilos> seen corrie206
[17:47] <Cryterion> hmm
[17:47] <Kilos> Maaz seen corrie206
[17:47] <Maaz> Kilos: corrie206 was last seen 5 years, 4 months, 27 days, 1 hour, 5 minutes and 49 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2010-12-07 08:41:26 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2011-05-17 05:55:30 PDT
[17:47] <Cryterion> ouch
[17:47] <Kilos> wow so long already
[17:47] <Cryterion> that's a long time now
[17:47] <Cryterion> Maaz: seen cry*
[17:47] <Maaz> Cryterion: I don't know who cry* is
[17:47] <Kilos> yeah im a ballie here already
[17:48] <Kilos> Maaz seen Cryterion
[17:48] <Maaz> Kilos: Cryterion was last seen 21 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-04-06 10:47:51 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-04-06 08:07:00 PDT
[17:48] <Cryterion> asterisks don't work with him
[17:48] <Cryterion> I was trying the wildcard with Maaz
[17:49] <Cryterion> Is he case sensitive?
[17:49] <Cryterion> Maaz: seen Cry*
[17:49] <Maaz> Cryterion: I don't know who Cry* is
[17:49] <Kilos> really
[17:49] <Cryterion> nope don't work
[17:49] <Kilos> but you have to have correct spelling
[17:49] <Cryterion> case, and full spelling, can't use wildcards
[17:50] <Kilos> Maaz seen kilos
[17:50] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos was last seen 37 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-04-06 10:49:31 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-04-05 22:13:19 PDT
[17:50] <Cryterion> Maaz: seen Kilo*
[17:50] <Maaz> Cryterion: I don't know who Kilo* is
[17:50] <Kilos> wow K meant nothing
[17:50] <Cryterion> ok so not case sensitive
[17:51] <Cryterion> maaz: seen cryterion
[17:51] <Maaz> Cryterion: cryterion was last seen 31 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-04-06 10:50:44 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-04-06 08:07:00 PDT
[17:51] <Cryterion> nope definately not
[17:51] <Kilos> maybe he uses another character
[17:52] <Cryterion> maaz: seen cry?
[17:52] <Maaz> Cryterion: I don't know who cry is
[17:52] <Kilos> fly will know being a python man
[17:52] <Cryterion> if 1 has been programmed in
[17:52] <Kilos> 40 mins to wait for fly and pro
[17:52] <Cryterion> maaz: seen cry!
[17:52] <Maaz> Cryterion: I don't know who cry is
[17:52] <Cryterion> maaz takes out the char's
[17:53] <Maaz> Cryterion: Sorry...
[17:53] <Cryterion> Maaz: seen Me
[17:53] <Maaz> Cryterion: Me has been offline on freenode since 2013-02-09 13:54:24 PST
[17:53] <Cryterion> lol
[17:53] <Kilos> ask the weed
[17:53] <Cryterion> Maaz: where's the weed?
[17:53] <Maaz> Cryterion: Sorry...
[17:53] <Kilos> wow there was a me
[17:53] <Cryterion> weed
[17:54] <Kilos> zeorin why so quiet?
[17:54] <Cryterion> poor bot, we abuse him enough
[17:54] <Kilos> Maaz botsnack
[17:54] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[17:55] <Kilos> there all forgiven
[17:55] <Cryterion> lol
[17:55] <Cryterion> Maaz: is the beer still at the back of the fridge?
[17:55] <Maaz> Cryterion: Excuse me?
[17:55] <Kilos> how would you ask about the * thing
[17:55] <Cryterion> Maaz: Beer
[17:55] <Maaz> Cryterion look in the fridge my friend
[17:56] <Kilos> as in what was its function
[17:56] <Kilos> to fill all cry nicks?
[17:57] <Cryterion> a general search query would by say for example cry* would search "cry" as the first 3 characters and match all cases.
[17:57] <Kilos> you read code hey
[17:57] <Cryterion> yep
[17:58] <Kilos> you can get ibid code somewhere
[17:58] <Kilos> on github i think it is now
[17:58] <Cryterion> try "dir *.*" in terminal or even "ls *.*."
[17:58] <Kilos> oh ya
[17:59] <Kilos> bot talks a different language
[17:59] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[17:59] <Kilos> Maaz shup
[17:59] <Maaz> Shup yourself oh noisy one
[18:00] <kmf> howdy all
[18:00] <Cryterion> Will look next week, currently need to look at xml on android, not sure how it all work if anyone has ideas on where to start looking for info
[18:00] <Kilos> hi kmf
[18:00] <chesedo> howdy partner :)
[18:00] <Cryterion> heya chesedo
[18:00] <Cryterion> and kmf
[18:00] <chesedo> so which bank are we robbing next :P
[18:01] <Cryterion> the one with cash in it
[18:01] <kmf> chesedo .... really hope it's a "The Party" reference
[18:01] <kmf> Cryterion evening
[18:01] <Kilos> what about me?
[18:01]  * Kilos cries
[18:02] <Kilos> i go eat worms
[18:02]  * Cryterion will send some cash to from the heist once he's freed
[18:02] <chesedo> Cryterion: yea, last time was way too imbaressing when they ended up being cashless
[18:03] <Cryterion> yeah, that's a problem often, need to to find the full ones
[18:03] <chesedo> kmf: no, do not know "the party"... is it a movie, book, series...
[18:03] <kmf> chesedo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5bP5NEhArc
[18:04] <Kilos> kmf you have to wait a while for pro and fly
[18:04] <chesedo> lol Kilos, sweet or sour worms
[18:04] <Kilos> family time still
[18:04] <kmf> yep ")
[18:05] <kmf> same here borrowed time
[18:05] <Kilos> maybe pro got wet on the way home now has flu
[18:06]  * Kilos listens for a sneeze
[18:06] <Cryterion> chesedo, fat and juicy ones
[18:07] <Kilos> you know what we all need to do
[18:07] <Kilos> tell maaz where we are
[18:07] <Kilos> then i dont have to try remember
[18:08] <Cryterion> Maaz: where am I?
[18:08] <Maaz> Cryterion: What?
[18:08] <Cryterion> Maaz: I am in Pennington
[18:08] <Maaz> Cryterion: Huh?
[18:08] <Cryterion> Kilos?
[18:08] <Kilos> Maaz Kilos is <reply> Just west of Pretoria
[18:08] <Maaz> Kilos: I already know stuff about Kilos
[18:09] <chesedo> Maaz: chesedo is <reply> Not on mars yet Kilos, please try again later
[18:09] <Maaz> chesedo: I already know stuff about chesedo
[18:09] <Kilos> Maaz Cryterion is <reply> Pennington
[18:09] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it
[18:09] <Cryterion> Maaz: Cryterion is in Pennington KZN South Coast
[18:09] <Maaz> Cryterion: I already know stuff about Cryterion
[18:09] <chesedo> Maaz: chesedo
[18:09] <Maaz> chesedo is our meeting chair. He enjoys the hot seat :D
[18:09] <Kilos> lol chesedo
[18:10] <Kilos> Maaz cryterion
[18:10] <Maaz> Pennington
[18:10] <chesedo> Maaz: forget chesedo
[18:10] <Kilos> Maaz chesedo
[18:10] <Maaz> chesedo: Okay
[18:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[18:10] <Cryterion> ok so it worked
[18:10] <Cryterion> Maaz chesedo
[18:10] <Maaz> Cryterion: What?
[18:10] <Cryterion> Maaz kilos
[18:10] <Maaz> Cryterion: kilos is a clever peep
[18:11] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:11] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[18:11] <chesedo> Maaz: chesedo is <reply> Pretoria North, and appears to enjoy the hot seat :D
[18:11] <Maaz> chesedo: One learns a new thing every day
[18:11] <Kilos> thats it
[18:12] <Kilos> Maaz superfly is <reply> Capetown
[18:12] <Maaz> Kilos: I already know stuff about superfly
[18:12] <Kilos> Maaz superfly
[18:12] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly is a diplomat
[18:14] <Kilos> Maaz inetpro
[18:14] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro is used to talking through his hat
[18:14] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:14]  * chesedo rofl
[18:16] <Kilos> Maaz tumbleweed  is <reply> The globe trotter is based in silicon valley
[18:16] <Maaz> Kilos: I'll remember that
[18:17] <Kilos> bushtech you in south west or near it?
[18:17] <tumbleweed> actually up in SF, not the valley (if you live in the bay area, you draw a distinction between the valley and the rest of the bay area)
[18:18] <Kilos> o my
[18:18] <Kilos> Maaz forget tumbleweed
[18:18] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[18:19] <Kilos> Maaz tumbleweed  is <reply> Up in SF, not the valley (if you live in the bay area, you draw a distinction between the valley and the rest of the bay area)
[18:19] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it
[18:19] <tumbleweed> :)
[18:19] <Kilos> there are even snobs there
[18:19]  * inetpro has a sudden involuntary expulsion of air from the nose and mouth due to irritation of his nostrils
[18:19] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[18:19] <Kilos> lol hi inetpro
[18:19] <tumbleweed> the valley is this big dreary suburbia
[18:20] <inetpro> Kilos: uh, really?
[18:20] <Kilos> Cryterion what was the question for the weed
[18:20] <chesedo> wildcard expressions for Maaz seen
[18:21] <Kilos> tumbleweed ^^
[18:22] <Kilos> when i talk about ibid he hides
[18:24] <Kilos> inetpro really what?
[18:24] <Kilos> im nearly asleep here
[18:24] <inetpro> 04/06 20:06:00 <Kilos> maybe pro got wet on the way home now has flu
[18:24] <Kilos> oh
[18:24] <Kilos> did the rain get you man
[18:25] <inetpro> would have been wet if I left at the time when you said I should
[18:25] <inetpro> just had a slight drizzle later
[18:25] <Kilos> yay so your usual not listening paid off for once
[18:25] <inetpro> and not as cold as I expected
[18:25] <bushtech> kilos: Vaalkopdam
[18:26] <inetpro> Kilos: haha :-)
[18:26] <inetpro> did I see kmf here?
[18:26] <Kilos> Maaz bushtech is <reply> Vaalkopdam wherever that might be
[18:26] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[18:26] <Kilos> yes
[18:26] <kmf> inetpro yep
[18:27] <Kilos> he is waiting for you guys to build the website
[18:27] <inetpro> oh nice, welcome back kmf
[18:27] <bushtech> near Sun City
[18:27] <inetpro> oh and hi tumbleweed
[18:27] <inetpro> you guys should show your faces more often here
[18:28] <Kilos> he is hiding inetpro ibiditis
[18:28] <inetpro> Kilos: give him a break
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <Kilos> what must i break
[18:29] <chesedo> a kitkat
[18:29] <inetpro> you can't expect him to make negligible change to the bot each time you see him
[18:29] <Kilos> haha
[18:29] <Kilos> i didnt it was just a simple wuestion
[18:29] <Kilos> question
[18:29] <inetpro> ai!
[18:30] <Kilos> about a wildcard thing
[18:30] <Cryterion> yeah, the wildcard thing is a big change though!
[18:30] <inetpro> Kilos: forget bout a wildcard thing
[18:30] <Kilos> we asked it there was one
[18:31] <Kilos> not make one
[18:31] <inetpro> it's insignificant
[18:31] <Kilos> obviously
[18:31] <inetpro> explain why you want it, what is the real problem here?
[18:31] <Cryterion> makes searching easier
[18:31] <inetpro> really?
[18:32] <Cryterion> if you forget things, you put the wildcard in to help find it
[18:32] <inetpro> Cryterion: how difficult is it to type cry[tab]?
[18:32] <Cryterion> Maaz: cry[tab]?
[18:32] <Maaz> Cryterion: Excuse me?
[18:32] <inetpro> and I mean as in, type cry and press tab
[18:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:32] <Cryterion> that don't work
[18:32] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[18:32] <chesedo> hahaha
[18:33] <Kilos> at last i have some support
[18:33]  * Kilos dances a jig
[18:33] <Cryterion> just for people currently in the channel, if they aren't?
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: please define support
[18:33] <kmf> Maaz: kmf
[18:33] <Maaz> kmf: Huh?
[18:34] <kmf> Maaz: what you looking at ?
[18:34] <Maaz> kmf: Excuse me?
[18:34] <Kilos> tey take over when i run out of words
[18:34] <Cryterion> maaz: seen knf
[18:34] <Maaz> Cryterion: I don't know who knf is
[18:34] <kmf> lol
[18:34] <Cryterion> maaz: seen k
[18:34] <Maaz> Cryterion: k has been offline on freenode since 2011-05-03 02:59:35 PDT
[18:35] <Cryterion> hmm, pushed tab on that and just saw Kilos kmf show 10 times
[18:35] <Cryterion> yeah, is my client doing it
[18:35] <Kilos> inetpro stop arguing and start building the sitre
[18:36] <Kilos> site
[18:36] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:36]  * inetpro comes to #ubuntu-za to relax and you want me to work?
[18:36] <Kilos> of course
[18:37] <Kilos> you have rested for too long now
[18:37] <Kilos> last work was on the africa site
[18:38] <inetpro> Kilos: I still haven't receive the pay that you promised
[18:38] <Kilos> oh
[18:38] <Kilos> i actually promised and didnt deliver?
[18:38] <inetpro> where are all the registered LoCo's?
[18:39] <inetpro> yo promised to wake them up man
[18:39] <Kilos> they africa locos are to small and busy
[18:39] <Kilos> but they are active
[18:39] <inetpro> excuses, excuses...
[18:39] <Kilos> > Bonjour, [..] A compter du 31 Mars 2016 nous allons entamer la
[18:39] <Kilos> > synchro de Xenial Xerus mais uniquement en 64 bits. Et pour les
[18:39] <Kilos> > autres versions d'ubuntu, nous ne ferons plus de copie des versions
[18:39] <Kilos> > 32 bits. Ce qui signifie que vous trouverez sur ce miroir :
[18:39] <Kilos> >
[18:40] <Kilos> > * Debian (Wheezy,Jessie) : 64 bits * Ubuntu (Precise, Trusty,
[18:40] <Kilos> > Xenial) : 64 bits
[18:40] <Kilos> see
[18:40] <inetpro> yoh
[18:40] <kmf> inetpro at least he isnt using @ signs .....
[18:40] <Kilos> i sleep at night
[18:41] <Kilos> haha'
[18:41] <chesedo> Kilos: bonjour is abviously hello...
[18:41] <Kilos> im not a tweeter
[18:41] <Kilos> yes
[18:41] <chesedo> and "a compter" is a computer...
[18:41] <chesedo> so you get the idea of how to go about translating the rest :P
[18:42] <Kilos> its french
[18:42] <kmf> Kilos ... I'm a twit
[18:42] <inetpro> Hello, [..] As of March 31, 2016 we will begin the sync Xenial Xerus but only 64 bits. And for other versions of ubuntu, we will do more than copy of the 32-bit versions. This means that you will find on the mirror:
[18:42] <Kilos> haha kmf we noticed from the link on the site
[18:42] <inetpro> Kilos, Kilos, are you trying to spin a story?
[18:42] <chesedo> Kilos: am trying to pull your leg... 'supporting' inetpro for a bit
[18:43] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:43] <Kilos> im showing that the africa locos are active
[18:43] <chesedo> kmf: i shared the site link here...
[18:44] <Kilos> we helped willy get his repo recognised remember
[18:44] <kmf> Kilos: yep ...https://ubuntuforhope.org/
[18:44] <chesedo> Kilos: french is an europian thing... next excuse
[18:44] <kmf> chesedo thanks
[18:44] <Kilos> many french ex colonies in africa
[18:44] <inetpro> lol
[18:44]  * inetpro stops yanking his chain
[18:45] <Kilos> yay
[18:45] <inetpro> kmf: so what's the plan sir?
[18:45]  * Kilos relaxe
[18:45] <Kilos> s
[18:45]  * chesedo will have to stop with him then
[18:46] <inetpro> kmf: you wanted to launch your site when?
[18:46] <kmf> inetpro so the story so far ... Speaking to people about the Branding and Website, still need a volunteer for the Website :)
[18:46] <kmf> the plan is to Launch on 27 April 2016, Freedom day
[18:46] <Kilos> oh my
[18:46] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[18:47] <kmf> inetpro ?
[18:47] <chesedo> kmf: anything specific that you want the site to be build upon?
[18:48] <kmf> chesedo ... the dns is point to dreamhost .... so it's basically anything php / wordpress ...
[18:48] <Kilos> kmf just point hem in the right direction, give permissions and watch the sparks fly
[18:49] <kmf> yes
[18:49] <kmf> Kilos ... quick and dirty page with the info
[18:50] <Kilos> i dunno if we have php friendly peeps here
[18:50] <kmf> chesedo anything ... plain text
[18:50] <kmf> Kilos pure html ...
[18:50]  * chesedo wonders who Kilos's him is
[18:51] <Kilos> Cryterion you keeping up?
[18:51] <Kilos> chesedo Cryterion superfly inetpro
[18:51] <kmf> chesedo I'll send you the details :)
[18:51] <chesedo> fly would probably be happy if we could use nikola
[18:51] <Kilos> fly can do anything but has preferences
[18:52] <inetpro> I'd say all depends on how often info changes
[18:53] <Kilos> we need one guy to head the task
[18:53] <inetpro> many if not most sites out there do not change often and are best done with something like nikola
[18:54] <kmf> it's static content pointing to an issue tracker :)
[18:54] <chesedo> having current event info and/or a blog are the things i see that could change info often
[18:54] <inetpro> kmf: example: https://ubuntu-za.org/
[18:54] <inetpro> static files are version controlled on launchpad
[18:55] <kmf> cool
[18:55] <kmf> would like to host it on gitlab
[18:56] <chesedo> kmf: issue tracker?
[18:56] <kmf> chesedo: a place we can manage requests
[18:56] <chesedo> using gitlab (or hub) will be possible
[18:56] <inetpro> static is much safer than a frequently changing cms with many vulnerabilities
[18:56] <chesedo> oh get it
[18:57] <kmf> inetpro: ... and you know about vulnerabilities ;)
[18:57] <chesedo> kmf: will that be a self hosting gitlab?
[18:57]  * inetpro knows about vulnerabilities?
[18:57] <inetpro> no ways
[18:57] <kmf> chesedo ... nope
[18:58] <kmf> chesedo gitlab.com
[18:58] <chesedo> oh mastersmost also integrates with gitlab... somehow inetpro
[18:58] <inetpro> mastersmost?
[18:58] <chesedo> mattermost
[18:58] <inetpro> ahh :-)
[18:59]  * inetpro forgot about that already
[18:59] <kmf> chesedo: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-mattermost
[19:02] <inetpro> am feeling so much more at home with irc
[19:02] <chesedo> yip kmf, we testing it here https://mattermost.popey.com/signup_user_complete/?id=1qpn9houn7r4mc5xc6ho9wt7se
[19:02] <Kilos> right guys, ty for the excitement. dont relax now. much work to be done
[19:02] <kmf> inetpro ... erm times are a changing ...
[19:02] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:02] <kmf> chesedo ... I heard
[19:03] <kmf> night Kilos
[19:03] <chesedo> night Kilos
[19:03] <Kilos> tay well all
[19:03] <Kilos> stay
[19:03] <inetpro> kmf: go sign up before you fall asleep :-)
[19:03] <Kilos> haha
[19:03] <inetpro> and thanks for popping in here
[19:03] <Kilos> its better than twiter
[19:04] <inetpro> Kilos: good night
[19:04] <inetpro> oops
[19:04] <chesedo> dreamhost seems to support python too, so nikola is possible
[19:05] <chesedo> and can get shell access to it (hopefully auto deploy will be possible)
[19:06] <inetpro> chesedo: nice! Where do you see that?
[19:06] <chesedo> inetpro: https://www.dreamhost.com/hosting/shared/#shared-tech
[19:07] <inetpro> wow
[19:07] <chesedo> kmf: you have a shared hosting account right?
[19:08] <chesedo> that page deflated my south african pride a bit...
[19:08] <inetpro> ah ok, so this is like AWS or like a VPS service?
[19:08] <chesedo> inetpro: just impressive shared hosting
[19:09] <inetpro> chesedo: african pride, how so?
[19:10] <kmf> chesedo: yep
[19:11] <kmf> chesedo: must I organize a Digital Ocean droplet?
[19:11] <chesedo> shared hosting for +-R150 with shell access, unlimited space, bandwitdh, sql, email and domain (seems like can connect multiple domains)
[19:11] <pavlushka> Good night guys!
[19:11] <inetpro> pavlushka: sleep well sir
[19:12] <chesedo> ....python, perl, rails support, ssl and svn
[19:12] <chesedo> night pavlushka
[19:12] <Cryterion> chesedo, why not go for a full vps at R79 per month?
[19:12] <kmf> chesedo: I really love them ... been a client for 10 years
[19:12]  * chesedo contacted axxess today and they won't even allow ssh
[19:13] <chesedo> so am still disgusted from it
[19:13] <kmf> my internet is "down" for 21 Days .... due to a fault in the area
[19:13] <inetpro> chesedo: oh yeah, we live in the hinterland, you forgot?
[19:14] <Cryterion> chesedo try http://http://www.clickworks.co.za that's where my own server is hosted
[19:14]  * Cryterion waits for telkom, 2 weeks later
[19:14] <chesedo> Cryterion: problem is client is using them...
[19:15] <Cryterion> in what way?
[19:15] <Cryterion> hmm, think I get it
[19:16] <chesedo> kmf: any logo ideas that you have?
[19:16] <Cryterion> you could set it up, mail, and web server, you'll just need to investigate the web based website editing stuff, basics is easy
[19:16] <kmf> chesedo:
[19:17] <inetpro> kmf: I suggest you register the project on gitlab as a starting point
[19:17] <kmf> chesedo: yes :D ... meeting a Designer this week
[19:17] <chesedo> Cryterion: client uses them so have to make the app work on there platform
[19:17] <Cryterion> then you have full ssh root abilities when needed
[19:17] <kmf> inetpro: sure
[19:17] <Cryterion> hmm
[19:17] <Cryterion> platform is?
[19:18] <chesedo> axxess
[19:18] <Cryterion> ok don't know it, sorry
[19:19] <chesedo> but found a work around will just take more innitial effort
[19:19] <kmf> inetpro: https://gitlab.com/groups/ubuntuforhope
[19:19] <Cryterion> ok kwl
[19:20] <chesedo> kmf: do we join the group somehow?
[19:20] <kmf> chesedo: what is your username .... then I can quickly add you
[19:21] <chesedo> kmf: it will be chesedo in a bit
[19:26] <kmf> chesedo :) added
[19:27] <superfly> chesedo: you don't need python on the server for nikola, just on your machine.
[19:27] <chesedo> ok ty superfly
[19:28] <kmf> superfly ... just a fly on the wall
[19:29]  * superfly is in a DebConf meeting
[19:29] <superfly> kmf: doesn't Obsidian want to sponsor DebConf16?
[19:29] <kmf> superfly I'll speak to our Marketing
[19:30] <superfly> kmf: http://media.debconf.org/dc16/fundraising/debconf16_sponsorship_brochure.pdf
[19:30] <superfly> kmf: we could really do with some more local sponsors. At the moment we have 0.
[19:30] <kmf> superfly ... will see if someone is online :D
[19:32] <kmf> superfly: good grief ... that is very expensive ....
[19:32] <kmf> superfly I remember when we did LinuxWorld a couple of years ago it was R100k
[19:33] <kmf> superfly: but I will ask around :)
[19:33]  * chesedo is going white
[19:33] <superfly> kmf: Bronze is acceptable, only R20k
[19:34] <kmf> superfly ... kmf is a all or nothing kinda guy
[19:34]  * Cryterion spraypaints chesedo blue
[19:34] <superfly> kmf: aim for the sky, can only fall shorter, hey?
[19:34] <superfly> or what's that saying?
[19:35] <kmf> superfly: :) http://scaleconf.org/sponsors/packages.html
[19:35] <Cryterion> aim for the stars to reach the sky
[19:35] <inetpro> lol
[19:36] <superfly> kmf: I'm just the website guy, I don't decide on the sponsorships
[19:38] <chesedo> Cryterion: just leave white lines lest I look like a blue (word i shall not mention)
[19:39] <kmf> superfly ek s^e net
[19:39]  * Cryterion thinks its a bit late to leave white lines, but starts trying to
[19:39] <kmf> inetpro: added
[19:40] <superfly> kmf: Microsoft is a silver sponsor.... #justsaying
[19:40] <inetpro> ooohhh
[19:40] <kmf> superfly: golem golem
[19:40] <superfly> https://debconf16.debconf.org/sponsors/
[19:40]  * Cryterion changes the blue to black, starts making chesedo like black and white, like the sharks
[19:41] <superfly> Where's Mr McIver... I need to speak to him too
[19:42] <inetpro> kmf: where do I see that I''ve been aded?
[19:42]  * chesedo cries half of the black lines away
[19:42] <inetpro> added as well
[19:42] <kmf> inetpro: https://gitlab.com/groups/ubuntuforhope/group_members
[19:42]  * Cryterion resprayes
[19:42] <inetpro> oops....
[19:42]  * inetpro notices an email
[19:43] <inetpro> thanks kmf!
[19:44]  * chesedo realises he had a nightmare and goes back to sleep
[19:44] <chesedo> Night all
[19:44] <inetpro> uh, good night chesedo
[19:45]  * inetpro wonders about the nightmare
[19:45] <Cryterion> night chesedo
[19:45] <Cryterion> Think he dreamt but sharks
[19:47] <kmf> chesedo: night
[19:47] <kmf> inetpro Cryterion superfly night dudes
[19:47] <kmf> need to sleep
[19:47] <Cryterion> night knf
[19:47] <inetpro> good night kmf
[19:48] <kmf> Cryterion: try it again
[19:48] <kmf> ;)
[19:48] <Cryterion> night kmf
[19:48] <kmf> Cryterion: much better
[19:48] <Cryterion> damn n is next to m
[19:48] <kmf> :D
[19:48] <superfly> night kmf
[19:48] <kmf> my second name is Maria
[19:48] <superfly> bwahahahaha!!!!
[19:49] <kmf> now you'll never forget it
[19:49]  * Cryterion doesn't have a 2nd name :)
[19:49] <superfly> Cryterion: neither do I
[19:49] <Cryterion> names shorter than my id number
[19:49] <kmf> technically I don't have a second name either .... but no one wants to call me Karl-Maria
[19:50] <Cryterion> hmm, hyphened
[19:50] <kmf> Cryterion germans got to love them
[19:50] <Cryterion> yeah, I'm a Bauer
[19:51] <inetpro> kmf: is that for real?
[19:51] <Cryterion> yes
[19:51] <Cryterion> 5th generation from 1856 german settlers here in SA
[19:52] <kmf> inetpro ... Karl-Manfred Fischer, personally Maria sounds better
[19:52] <inetpro> ahh, now that makes much more sense
[19:52] <kmf> My Grandfather came in 1956 ... trying to avoid somethings somewhere
[19:52] <inetpro> :-)
[19:52] <Cryterion> ah ok
[19:52]  * inetpro likes the name Karl-Manfred
[19:53] <inetpro> very nice name
[19:53] <kmf> inetpro so did the fuhrer
[19:53] <kmf> inetpro Karl-Magdalena
[19:54] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:54] <kmf> kmf is kmf
[19:54] <inetpro> Karl-Manfred the Führer
[19:54] <kmf> lol
[19:55] <kmf> inetpro: that is only what my kids call me
[19:55] <inetpro> haha
[19:55] <inetpro> time to go sleep Karl :-)
[19:56] <kmf> inetpro: ja
[19:56] <kmf> good night xxx
[19:56] <inetpro> goeie nag oom
[19:58] <Cryterion> interesting http://fossbytes.com/play-worlds-first-torrent-website-zeronet-thats-impossible-shutdown/
[20:03] <Cryterion> Netherlands just voted themselves out of the EU
[20:34] <inetpro> Cryterion: really?
[20:42] <Cryterion> inetpro https://www.rt.com/news/338694-dutch-referendum-ukraine-eu/
[20:44] <Cryterion> after reading, It points more to Netherlands leaving rather than just Ukraine
[20:45] <Cryterion> EU is at breakup point I beieve
[20:45] <Cryterion> and US is about to fail as well
[21:03] <Cryterion> ok well night everyone


[14:03] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +8483 cases (now 930042), +132 deaths (now 14778) since a day ago


[08:39] <nthykier> JamesPage: Re: japitools - Cannot remember if I told you; the Debian Release Team rejected the changes for Squeeze, so I will do the upload with your changes after Squeeze
[13:41] <JamesPage> nthykier: thanks


[02:50] <cyphermox> Logan: I don't know anything special about pytsk, feel free to take it.
[04:56] <dupingping> Hello everybody.
[04:57] <dupingping> http://askubuntu.com/questions/704868/ubuntu-source-package-dependency-tree
[04:57] <dupingping> Please help me.
[05:02] <RAOF> dupingping: You're essentially asking about: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ReleaseTeam/Transitions
[05:02] <dupingping> RAOF: yes, thank you.
[05:08] <RAOF> So the answer is roughly “Yes, there's some infrastructure for it, but it runs on Debian servers”
[06:54] <Logan> cyphermox: cool thanks!
[06:55] <pitti> Godo morning
[07:25] <goddard> when i plug in an xbox one controller my entire system crashes
[07:26] <goddard> or rather locks up
[07:38] <Mirv> 18h after publishing, this will take a while.. http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#qtbase-opensource-src (plus the problems with some of the kde tests)
[07:39] <pitti> Mirv: yeah, it's "this triggered > 1.000 tests" plus one of our clouds got broken again, so still some backlog
[07:40] <Mirv> pitti: ok
[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[07:47] <pitti> Mirv: if you are interested, you can follow the queues at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml
[07:48] <Mirv> thanks, bookmarking!
[07:49] <pitti> Mirv: I'll also adjust excuses.html to point to that for the "in progress" ones
[07:50] <Mirv> the more inter-linking the better
[08:38] <pitti> stgraber: hm, I put proxy info into /etc/environment, but "lxd-images import ubuntu --alias ubuntu" still can't talk to http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com apparenlty (same issue with images.linuxcontainers.org); is there some config option to make it use a proxy?
[08:41] <pitti> stgraber: I also tried addinv these as "env" to /etc/init/lxd.conf (now the lxd process does have them), but no luck
[08:42] <pitti> stgraber: ah, nevermind, it's apparently our proxy itself
[08:44] <pitti> no, still the same issue now; wget works, lxd import says "Failed to retrieve the GPG key"
[08:50] <zaytsev> doko: hi i don't know if you hear this often enough, but just to let you know that your toolchain work (gcc packages for ubuntu lts) is highly appreciated
[08:56] <dupingping> hi everybody.
[08:56] <dupingping> what is the NMU?
[08:56] <dupingping> https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ReleaseTeam/Transitions
[09:02] <ginggs> i need help with autopkgtest please, julia passed once and not again http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/j/julia/xenial/amd64/
[09:03] <ginggs> it seems like it in running out of memory, do try using fewer and fewer cores until it works?
[09:04] <zaytsev> dupingping: non maintainer upload
[09:04] <dupingping> zaytsev: yes, thank you very much.
[09:26] <pitti> Laney, apw: yes, precise VMs now suddenly only have main and universe, no restricted any more; so tests for restricted packages fail
[09:26] <Laney> pitti: I was looking, yeah
[09:26] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/224624242/cloud-init_0.6.3-0ubuntu1.22_0.6.3-0ubuntu1.23.diff.gz seems very likely
[09:27] <pitti> Laney: ah!
[09:27] <pitti> Laney: we didn't get a new precise cloud image with that yet
[09:27] <pitti> Laney: but I had to update the nova setup script for the fact that in all other releases restricted and multiverse now get enabled by default, adn stop adding them a second time
[09:28] <pitti> Laney: so, we need to take that old precise image, dist-upgrade it (this will also speed up tests), and save it back
[09:28] <Laney> and it looks like it's *adding* restricted/multiverse anyway
[09:28] <pitti> Laney: do you want to do that for getting the exercise, or want me to?
[09:28] <pitti> Laney: you can even use the existing create-nova-image-new-release script, it's doing exactly that
[09:29] <pitti> Laney: warning, image-create is a bit brittle on lcy01 (surprise!), could take a retry or two
[09:31] <Laney> pitti: I'm not sure which old image you mean
[09:31] <pitti> ubuntu/ubuntu-precise-12.04-i386-server-20151117-disk1.img
[09:31] <Laney> because this is before this cloud-init?
[09:31] <pitti> oh wait, that's after that RU
[09:31] <pitti> SRU
[09:31] <Laney>  Published on 2015-11-12
[09:34] <Laney> it looks like create-nova-image-new-release is overwriting sources.list anyway though?
[09:34]  * Laney is missing something
[09:34] <pitti> Laney: yes it is, but we only use that for xenial
[09:34] <pitti> Laney: for the others we use the normal cloud images, and just a setup script to clean them up
[09:35] <pitti> WTH
[09:35] <Laney> that> c-n-i-n-r?
[09:36] <pitti> Laney: ah, indeed! so the precise cloud image does not have these apt sources
[09:36] <pitti> cloud-init 0.6.3-0ubuntu1.22
[10:12] <ginggs> didrocks: hi, i think the last remaining items for suitesparse transition, LP: #1518985, are no-change rebuilds of gegl and lp-solve in main
[10:25] <didrocks> ginggs: let's see if the patch pilots will get it, otherwise, I'll handle it in my next shift :)
[10:27] <seb128> I can have a look later
[10:27] <seb128> I'm probably going to pilot this afternoon (or tomorrow)
[10:28] <ginggs> didrocks, seb128: thanks!
[10:30] <didrocks> doko: seems like your twisted sync creates some dist-upgrade issues
[10:33] <cjwatson> didrocks: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=806167
[10:33] <didrocks> yeah, corresponding ubuntu one: bug #1521616
[10:34] <didrocks> Tue, 24 Nov 2015  starting to get hold
[10:34] <didrocks> old*ù
[10:34] <cjwatson> didrocks: Well, it was closed in between there, but reopened yesterday
[10:35] <didrocks> Replaces: python-twisted-conch (<< 15.4.0-1),
[10:36] <didrocks> yeah, it should be at least 15.2 (if not before)
[10:36] <cjwatson> didrocks: no, see the end of the Debian bug, it's a missing epoch
[10:36] <didrocks> cjwatson: ah, indeed :)
[10:37] <didrocks> doko: are you on this? I would prefer to not upload a fix to ubuntu only (but can do this and attach a patch to the bug report if you prefer)
[10:37] <didrocks> thanks cjwatson
[10:39] <caribou> Should rsyslog still bother about /dev/xconsole ?
[10:40] <caribou> it has been disabled & put as an example in upstream debian newest package
[11:27] <doko> didrocks, is this with -2 as well? -3 is still in NEW
[11:29] <didrocks> doko: yeah. Ah good, the fix is in NEW, just waiting then :)
[13:16] <caribou> When removing specific packages during a merge (i.e. packages that depends on Universe), should the related files (README.blah, etc) be removed from the package or just left there ?
[13:19] <rbasak> caribou: it's fine to leave things in the package's source. For an Ubuntu delta, the smaller the delta the easier it is to manage, so I'd advocate leaving it there.
[13:19] <rbasak> caribou: in the source that is.
[13:19] <caribou> rbasak: thought so, I just wanted to confirm
[13:20] <rbasak> Not sure about leaving things in binary packages since that could be confusing for users.
[13:20] <caribou> rbasak: understood
[13:42] <cpaelzer> rbasak: smb: I need some advise - look at LP Bug 1521289
[13:42] <cpaelzer> rbasak: smb: XEN_PMD builds fine after my fix in amd64, but not in i386
[13:43] <cpaelzer> rbasak: smb: I can't spend the effort to fix all othe XEN code in DPDK
[13:43] <cpaelzer> rbasak: smb: so my question qhat would usually be done - dropping XEN_PMD or would it be ok to only build it in amd64
[13:43] <cpaelzer> rbasak: smb: and by that create a functional difference betweeni386 and amd64?
[13:44] <rbasak> I wonder if it is an upstream bug that stops XEN_PMD working on i386 altogether, or is it our combined library choice that makes that happen?
[13:44] <cpaelzer> rbasak: upstream issue
[13:44] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I fixed the "failing with combined library" two hours ago
[13:45] <smb> cpaelzer, Without much time to read about this I would tend to not make things different
[13:45] <rbasak> Good job!
[13:45] <rbasak> I'd want upstream to fix the issue or make the build conditional automatically, rather than us.
[13:46] <rbasak> If that's not possible or wouldn't be in time, then I'd be OK with carrying a delta to do it in packaging, but as always I don't like us to be carrying deltas so only if it's really important to Ubuntu.
[13:46] <cpaelzer> rbasak: so you'd suggest another upstream patch that makes it conditional in dpdk upstream instead of our packaging
[13:46] <rbasak> As we're primarily KVM-focused, I'd say it's not important enough.
[13:46] <cpaelzer> rbasak: yeah that part of "not important" is why I don't want to fix the code for 32bit
[13:46] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I suggest that if upstream are willing to carry that patch then we'll use it by default, so I'd be fine with that with my Ubuntu hat on. I'm not sure if upstream want that or just want it fixed though.
[13:47] <rbasak> If upstream say that they want the bug fixed rather than worked around then that's perfectly reasonable. If I were upstream I'd probably say that, unless there's something fundamental about the feature that'll mean that it will never work or is obtuse on i386.
[13:47] <cpaelzer> rbasak: lets see if there is a simple makefile fix to disable it on i386 in upstream dpdk and let them discuss it on that
[13:50] <smb> cpaelzer, Would be helpful if you had any log about the failure with i386 _in_ the bug
[13:50] <cpaelzer> smb: "cast from pointer to integer of different size" we all have seen that way too often
[13:51] <cpaelzer> smb: I didn't want to fill the bug with only related info
[13:54] <smb> cpaelzer, So more or less the whole thing not well written. There is another thing I was wondering and that is whether this is really still required with newer dpdk where we also do not need other kernel modules (at least the dom0 part)
[13:54] <cpaelzer> smb: I already refused to include the kernel module for the dom0 part
[13:54] <smb> Might be something to ask upstream
[13:55] <cpaelzer> smb: this is about the XEN_PMD
[13:56] <smb> Yeah, but I don't know for sure anything about that either. And I could not promise to have time to figure it out
[14:00] <smb> cpaelzer, Most likely that part is only needed for Xen PV guests (other than dom0). Dom0 itself has access (usually) to pci device (that part I did check).
[14:00] <smb> So there uio-pci-generic should in theory be an option
[14:41] <sil2100> cyphermox: hey! Just reminding about https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/network-manager-applet/merge_1.0.6_debian/+merge/279012 once you have a free moment ;)
[14:41] <sil2100> cyphermox: since I don't see robert_ancell around
[14:41] <cyphermox> oh, of course, thanks!
[14:51] <cyphermox> sil2100: approved. do you want to do the honours? ;)
[14:52] <sil2100> cyphermox: \o/ Sure, thanks :)
[14:52]  * cyphermox is totally not giving you TIL this way ;)
[14:59]  * sil2100 prepares upload and hopes nothing explodes
[15:31] <cyphermox> sil2100: are you merging the branch too or should I do it?
[15:31] <sil2100> cyphermox: I'll merge it after I dput :)
[15:31] <cyphermox> oh ok :)
[15:33] <seb128> cyphermox, sil2100, current version is 1.0.8 and did you see that robert_ancell had branches on bug #1467267 ?
[15:34] <sil2100> seb128: I don't see a network-manager-applet branch for 1.0.6 there
[15:43] <cyphermox> mdeslaur: hey
[15:43] <mdeslaur> hi cyphermox
[15:43] <cyphermox> such a crowd here this morning...
[15:44] <mdeslaur> yeah, oddly quiet
[15:53] <kirkland> didrocks: hi
[15:56] <didrocks> hey kirkland!
[15:56] <kirkland> didrocks: howdy
[15:56] <kirkland> didrocks: so I'm looking at this desktop icon problem
[15:56] <didrocks> kirkland: good good, yourself? :)
[15:57] <didrocks> yep, I guess
[15:57] <kirkland> didrocks: fine thanks
[15:57] <kirkland> didrocks: so I've cloned your source from git
[15:57] <didrocks> did you see my answer on the Exec=
[15:57] <kirkland> didrocks: I don't see your desktop file in there
[15:57] <kirkland> didrocks: yes, just trying that now
[15:57] <didrocks> kirkland: oh, I didn't push it, that was more a "we should try this"
[15:57] <kirkland> didrocks: it's not ideal, as I was previously supporting any terminal that someone wanted to run
[15:57] <kirkland> -Exec=env TERM=xterm-256color byobu
[15:57] <kirkland> +Exec=gnome-terminal --app-id us.kirkland.Terminals.byobu -e byobu
[15:58] <didrocks> kirkland: yeah, the gnome-terminal -> gnome-terminal-server changed impacted quite a bunch
[15:58] <kirkland> didrocks: so that someone could easily use konsole, xterm, uxvt, or whatever
[15:58] <kirkland> didrocks: so you have the same problem with weechat, then?
[15:58] <didrocks> hum, larsu had a look at gnome-terminal-server when the issue started to happened
[15:59] <didrocks> kirkland: yeah, I'm bound to gnome-terminal (it's a local desktop file)
[15:59] <didrocks> maybe larsu would have an idea to have this more generic ^
[15:59] <didrocks> kirkland: and yeah for g-t to not support backward compatibility :/
[15:59] <didrocks> (the wrapper is Laney's work, thanks to him!)
[15:59] <kirkland> didrocks: is this really a g-t problem?
[16:00] <kirkland> didrocks: I thought someone said it might be in bamf
[16:00] <didrocks> kirkland: yeah, they separate client and server
[16:00] <didrocks> so basically all client goes to one server if you don't specify anything
[16:00] <didrocks> so you only have one instance to match against
[16:00] <didrocks> (what bamf is doing…)
[16:00] <kirkland> didrocks: hrm
[16:01] <didrocks> if I'm correct, --app-id enables on the backend to have another g-t-s session
[16:01] <didrocks> and so another process to match, which has a different name
[16:01] <kirkland> didrocks: okay, so I can use anything in --app-id?
[16:01] <kirkland> didrocks: I tried to match your format
[16:01] <kirkland> didrocks: how does that link up with the right icon, then?
[16:01] <kirkland> didrocks: and, is that going to work, if someone uses my package backported in a ppa to, say, trusty?
[16:02] <didrocks> kirkland: that's a good question, we did this for backward compatibility (IIRC, it's not supported upstream anymore of something along that)
[16:02] <didrocks> kirkland: I'm afraid the trusty version doesn't have g-t-s support
[16:02] <didrocks> TBH, there is another way
[16:02] <didrocks> like shipping a .desktop and a service-like file
[16:02] <didrocks> (still bound to g-t)
[16:03] <kirkland> didrocks: I'm game for trying that
[16:03] <didrocks> but I would let the gnome guys to answer on this ^
[16:03] <kirkland> didrocks: can you point me to another example?
[16:03] <didrocks> I didn't look at this closely myself
[16:03] <didrocks> kirkland: looking for some if I can find any (or old discussion)
[16:03] <didrocks> but desrt and larsu would be way better ref than I
[16:04] <didrocks> kirkland: I'm still unsure how you would be able to ship a solution that isn't term-specific…
[16:04] <kirkland> didrocks: right
[16:04] <didrocks> (which isn't ideal)
[16:04] <kirkland> didrocks: well, I'm willing to do that if I have to, I guess
[16:04] <kirkland> didrocks: to be honest, trying to support konsole and other terminals is kind of a pain in the ass
[16:04] <kirkland> didrocks: when 99% of people just use the default terminal
[16:04] <didrocks> ah? you have other special cases on them?
[16:04] <didrocks> yeah…
[16:05] <kirkland> didrocks: no, just weird bugs that come up
[16:05] <didrocks> tmux bugs?
[16:05] <didrocks> or konsole ones?
[16:05] <kirkland> didrocks: people complaining about fonts or characters or colors that don't look good in some esoteric terminal application
[16:05] <didrocks> oh yeah, I can see that, or people changing profiles… :)
[16:07] <kirkland> didrocks: anyway, I had every intention on reverting that wmclass setting, as I clearly understood that wasn't the right fix
[16:08] <didrocks> kirkland: argh, desrt's pastebin expired…
[16:08] <kirkland> didrocks: but, I was trying to draw some attention to the real bug at the heart of this
[16:08] <larsu> haha
[16:08] <didrocks> kirkland: yeah, hence my "sorry" on the bug report, but that wasn't really liveable on xenial :)
[16:08] <larsu> didrocks: what's the exact question?
[16:08] <didrocks> larsu: g-t-s oh my g-t-s :p
[16:08] <didrocks> larsu: kirkland wants to match byobu when byobu is running in his terminal
[16:08] <kirkland> didrocks: and the fact that I think it's a major bug that ANY application's .desktop file can override gnome-terminal's icon
[16:08] <didrocks> the interesting part is:
[16:08] <larsu> Laney wrote a wrapper that makes the new g-t work like the old one (as seen fro mthe command line)
[16:09] <didrocks> byobu can run multiple terminals
[16:09] <didrocks> (like konsole, g-t…)
[16:09] <didrocks> so, I was going to point him to the --app-id to match correctly only byobu instances
[16:09] <didrocks> (with Laney's wrapper)
[16:09] <didrocks> is there anything better?
[16:09] <kirkland> didrocks: I could see a malicious application putting a potentially offensive image in your launcher :-o
[16:09] <larsu> make a profile, install a .desktop and .service file
[16:09] <larsu> you know the drill, no?
[16:09] <didrocks> kirkland: really agreed
[16:10] <didrocks> larsu: yeah, is there any example for this?
[16:10] <larsu> kirkland: it can do that without gnome-terminal as well, no?
[16:10] <didrocks> last one for desrt's pastebin
[16:10] <didrocks> it expired
[16:10] <didrocks> was*
[16:10] <larsu> oh ok, let me paste my irssi
[16:10] <kirkland> larsu: didrocks: can you show me how to create a .service file?
[16:10] <didrocks> kirkland: but yeah, agreed on a fundamental issue there :/
[16:11] <larsu> kirkland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13625283/
[16:12] <larsu> I think you need to restart your session to make this work, but I'm unsure
[16:15] <kirkland> larsu: so, where would I install that .service file, at the system level?
[16:15] <kirkland> larsu: I see in your pastebin it's in your .local
[16:16] <larsu> kirkland: /usr/share/dbus-1/services
[16:21] <bdmurray> mvo: Can the fix for bug 1267059 be SRU'ed or does it need to be a backport?
[16:23] <mvo> bdmurray: hello, sorry, I think you asked me before and I failed to reply :/ I thnk its fine to sru it, a backport is probably slightly less work as it should just build/work on 14.04
[16:24] <bdmurray> mvo: looking at the git commit log I had a hard time sorting out which commit ids are important. Do you happen to know?
[16:29] <mvo> bdmurray: I can probably find out which ones are the important ones
[16:29] <mvo> bdmurray: I can look over them after dinner
[16:29] <bdmurray> mvo: that'd be great
[16:31] <kirkland> larsu: okay, I need a little help getting the .service working
[16:32] <kirkland> larsu: I made the changes, built a package, installed, but not quite working
[16:33] <kirkland> larsu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13625646/ <--- that's what I have so far
[16:49] <larsu> kirkland: what's the problem? The server process doesn't get started at all?
[16:49] <larsu> please use reverse domain names ;)
[16:52] <seb128> mardy, hey
[16:52] <seb128> when trying to add a google account to uoa (unity7, xenial) in a guest session I get that warning
[16:52] <seb128> (evolution-source-registry:15044): module-ubuntu-online-accounts-WARNING **: ubuntu_online_accounts_got_userinfo_cb: Failed to create ESource collection for AgAccount
[16:52] <seb128> is that a known issue?
[17:02] <kirkland> larsu: ugh, those are so ugly :-)
[17:04] <larsu> heh
[17:56] <kirkland> larsu: okay, so I have it working in 15.10/16.04, but byobu.desktop no longer works in 14.04
[17:59] <kirkland> larsu: it's the Terminal=True that's the problem
[18:46] <mardy> seb128: no, that's not a known issue, at least to me :-)
[20:51] <juliank> I'm wondering: Is "debian/patches/gcc46-compatibility: don't break with old compilers and -DGNU_EFI_USE_MS_ABI." for gnu-efi still needed in xenial, or could that be synced now?
[20:52] <juliank> If it cannot be dropped, what is still using gcc 4.6 and why?
[20:53] <juliank> slangasek: You wrote the patch, what's your opinion?
[20:55] <slangasek> juliank: it's carried because we have SRUed newer versions of gnu-efi to older releases to ensure that the shim binary we ship there is rebuildable in the target distribution (for policy reasons, even though we do a binary copy)
[20:56] <slangasek> juliank: so e.g. precise has 3.0i, but precise-updates has 3.0u; and while we haven't SRUed any later version farther back than vivid yet, we did SRU 3.0.2 to vivid-updates on top of 3.0u in vivid release
[21:00] <juliank> So, if I see that correctly, the patch will be needed until precise EOL in late 2017?
[21:01] <juliank> (precise being the only distro with gcc older than 4.7)
[21:03] <juliank> I could merge the patch upstream though, so we do not have to keep a delta and could have gnu-efi automatically synced
[21:04] <juliank> (putting it into ubuntu.series, as we have no actual use for that in Debian)
[21:08] <juliank> Oh hi mvo, do you have a progress update on the apt transition?
[21:08] <mvo> juliank: hi, not yet unfortunately
[21:08] <juliank> :(
[21:08] <mvo> juliank: there is code that calculcated the expected entires from a Release file and uses that to try to give a smooth progress but …
[21:09] <mvo> juliank: I will look tomorrow, its not worse than the old one I think
[21:09] <mvo> but a bit annoying as I was really sure it would be (much) better :/
[21:09] <juliank> mvo: I meant about the apt 1.1 transition in Ubuntu, not about the update progress issue :)
[21:09] <mvo> anyway, tomorrow
[21:09] <mvo> juliank: ohhh, sorry
[21:10] <mvo> juliank: its looking really good I think, I need to double check, PK is missing obviously but the rest should be in
[21:10] <juliank> OK
[21:20] <dobey> hmm, is there some command i can run to list all the individuals whom have rights to upload a specific package?
[21:22] <cjwatson> dobey: edit-acl in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools can answer this kind of question, except you have to expand teams yourself.  edit-acl -s <source package> query
[21:30] <dobey> ah, and that's not packaged i guess. thanks
[21:53] <slangasek> juliank: precise EOL is in early 2017, but yes
[21:54] <slangasek> juliank: ftr I find per-distro patch files counterproductive; it just means that there's code in the Debian repo that not only hasn't been build-tested, it hasn't even been unpack-tested
[21:55] <juliank> Well, the latter part could be checked by running patch --dry-run
[21:56] <slangasek> juliank: but unless you make that check part of your testing process, having the package in sync with Debian isn't really beneficial to Ubuntu
[21:57] <slangasek> also I find it distasteful that dpkg-source -x would have different behavior on different distros
[21:58] <juliank> I can also apply it generally, there's no gcc 4.6 in Debian anymore, so it won't hurt there, and we'd all build the same code
[21:58] <slangasek> that would be fine with me, of course
[22:01] <juliank> I'll do that then after the current upload migrated to testing, together with disabling x32 support which does not build at all.


[03:00] <Bashing-om> Guys, How can one verify that a "minimal" intall .iso is 64 bit ? I got my SSD put in all fine good and dandy -, and installed what I thought was 64 bit .. nope turned out to be 32 bit ! I can not find a way to get to a terminal in the minimal installer to find out the architchure. Is there some way to know the architechure prior to installing ? ( a new .iso downloaded )
[03:11] <tsimonq2> I'm not sure that'
[03:11] <tsimonq2> *that's a simple answer
[03:11] <tsimonq2> although I'd like to see what the answer is when found
[03:13] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Uh Huh .. Not a somple thing .. some way to extract the .iso and a file we can read to know if it is a 64 bit installer ? or other means ?
[03:13] <tsimonq2> Like I said, I don't know it's that simple
[03:13] <tsimonq2> I've poked around, I don't know where one would find that
[03:35] <Ben64> md5sum mini.iso, google resulting hash
[03:38] <tsimonq2> oh good idea
[03:47] <Bashing-om> Ben64: Oh ,, that is good idea ! .. ( though the hash matched on the download page for a supposed 64 bit installer ) - It is possible I goofed that 1st download up .
[04:15] <Bashing-om> Guys, every thing I look at hash wise says I have the 64 bit version - thanks for the hint Ben64 .. I will burn it and install again again - tomorrow .
[04:19] <Ben64> i think they need to have better names than mini.iso
[04:22] <Bashing-om> Ben64: Yeah .. I can now accept that I mis clicked on my 1st .iso download and got a 32 bit version .. rather than the desired 64 bit . The good thing about the day I know my new SSD is doable ( old Phoenix bios and afraid to push for GPT support ) .
[07:00] <ducasse> morning all
[13:10] <OerHeks> yay, 90 Gb https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/90gb.png
[13:17] <ducasse> OerHeks: your isp must love you :)
[13:17] <OerHeks> FUP, i contacted them, it is oke.
[13:18] <OerHeks> i noticed lubuntu is more populair now
[13:18] <OerHeks> but wait until monday for the real top10
[13:19] <ducasse> for older computers, i would think. must be a lot of them around that people want to get more use out of.
[13:19] <OerHeks> (maybe these numbers are wild, but the best i can tell)
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:32] <ducasse> \o
[13:36] <OerHeks> :-)
[13:39] <daftykins> hey folks :)
[13:39] <daftykins> ducasse: i've been doing my latest soldering project yesterday and today :D
[13:40] <daftykins> just going to play with youtube video editing to see if i can mock the before and afters together
[13:40] <ducasse> daftykins: yay :) what did you do?
[13:41] <daftykins> are you familiar with the Sega Game Gear handheld game device? my parents unearthed it recently so i decided to invest some money and time in its' repair :)
[13:41] <ducasse> yes, i remember that. never had one, though.
[13:43] <daftykins> well this little guy had ceased functioning at some point over the years, probably whilst in storage for so long... but it's known to be that the capacitors were cheap, so a quick <£4 ebay purchase and i had myself the latest task :D
[13:43] <daftykins> i'm starting to be a bit of a capacitor fiend
[13:43] <ducasse> hehehe :)
[13:44] <daftykins> i was starting to have my doubts last night as i had already done maybe 10+ before i had to go out for a meal with friends, by which point nothing had changed at all
[13:45] <daftykins> but murphys law... last couple on the main board went in and *bam* fixed :) then the last two on the audio daughterboard and woot the volume was up to max again :D
[13:45] <daftykins> pauljw: \o
[13:45] <pauljw> hi daftykins :)
[13:46] <daftykins> hi sir!
[13:46] <daftykins> just telling the tale of my latest soldering success ^_^
[13:46] <pauljw> cool
[13:46] <pauljw> tj would be sooo proud
[13:48] <daftykins> :D
[13:49] <daftykins> possibly squeamish at my corner cutting, but yeah maybe :D
[13:49] <daftykins> ooh excellent video nicely edited, i'll share once it's ready...
[13:51] <pauljw> :)
[13:52] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufYogr5sv7Q
[14:04] <EriC^^> hey daftykins
[14:05] <daftykins> hey there! how're things, EriC^^ ?
[14:05] <EriC^^> good you?
[14:06] <daftykins> all the better for another electronics/soldering success :D yep all well here ta
[14:06] <EriC^^> :D
[14:06] <pauljw> hi EriC^^
[14:07] <EriC^^> hi pauljw :)
[17:15] <solasoul> hello everyone
[18:00] <daftykins> hrmm such brief visitors
[18:01] <OerHeks> hello. here is your money. bye.
[18:01] <OerHeks> i love those
[18:02] <EriC^^> daftykins: how was your visit to the states?
[18:05] <daftykins> good thanks, though very tiring :>
[18:06] <EriC^^> was it your first visit to the states?
[18:07] <daftykins> nah about third trip this time - been to a few spots in the north-east back in 2011, then coast to coast roadtrip with friends in 2012
[18:07] <EriC^^> cool
[18:07] <daftykins> it's almost like i have a tickbox list of the states :>
[18:08] <EriC^^> hehe


[01:57] <zul> well...almost linux-non-supported-modules-2.6.12-1-386_2.6.12-1_i386.deb
[11:00] <Micksa> hi :)
[11:00] <Micksa> oh, there's nobody here that's not in #ubuntu-devel anyway
[11:02] <Micksa> oh, I see. ext2 isn't in the kernel
[11:02] <Micksa> how quaint >:)
[11:05] <Micksa> ramfs then I guess
[11:39] <Micksa> er, or maybe not
[02:07] <fabbione> ext2 is in the kernel
[02:07] <fabbione> or as module
[02:07] <fabbione> it makes no difference
[02:08] <fabbione> ~
[02:09] <fabbione> Micksa: what i suggest to do usually is to install linux-source-2.6.X (where X is the version you want)
[02:09] <Micksa> oh, I am :)
[02:09] <Micksa> (on here)
[02:09] <fabbione> and you will find the source in /usr/src
[02:09] <fabbione> unpack it
[02:09] <fabbione> apply the patch
[02:09] <fabbione> and install kernel-package
[02:09] <Micksa> just "apply the patch"? okay
[02:09] <fabbione> use make-kpkg to build the kernel
[02:10] <fabbione> yes you can apply the patch on top of that tree
[02:10] <Micksa> I was half expecting to have to place the patch into a patch dir
[02:10] <fabbione> that tree is the ubuntu tree
[02:10] <Micksa> *after* resolving conflicts etc :)
[02:10] <fabbione> clearly
[02:10] <Micksa> I watched it apply a bunch of patches in a compile before
[02:10] <fabbione> the one you get there contains already all the ubuntu patches
[02:11] <Micksa> sweet
[02:11] <fabbione> it's "easier" to start with than with apt-get source linux-source-2.6.x
[02:11] <fabbione> note the difference in apt-get install/source :)
[02:11] <infinity> Much.  Especially if you just want to make-kpkg a single kernel.
[02:11] <fabbione> exactly
[02:12] <Micksa> oh, so "apt-get source linux-image-xxx" != "apt-get install linux-source-xxx"?
[02:14] <Micksa> fuck :)
[02:14] <Micksa> guess which one I already did :)
[02:14] <Micksa> oh well. 5 mins I'll never get back
[02:14] <Micksa> Suggested packages:
[02:14] <Micksa>   libqt3-dev
[02:14] <Micksa> eh wot?
[02:14] <fabbione> that's to use make xconfig
[02:14] <Micksa> kda config front end I guess
[02:14] <fabbione> yes
[02:14] <Micksa> kde even
[02:17] <Micksa> I don't know the compile process anymore
[02:17] <Micksa> it hardly changed at all between, like, 1.2 and 2.4
[02:17] <Micksa> then all of a sudden BOOM
[02:24] <infinity> It's not that changed, really.
[03:14] <Micksa> aha!
[03:15] <Micksa> mjg59: after resume I can blindly type commands in the ramdisk install I've created
[03:43] <fabbione>   LD      arch/ppc64/mm/built-in.o
[05:37] <Micksa> I have network access :)
[05:37] <Micksa> grr
[06:03] <Micksa> that patch worked. woo
[06:07] <Micksa> now I just gotta make it so I can *see* after I resume :)
[06:33] <Micksa> aha
[07:00] <zul> gday
[07:03] <Micksa> morning


 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/hp-show-us-what-a-real-pc-workstation-looks-like-with-a-56-core-3tb-z8/
 Can it run doom?
 you can tell Google Home to go down by notches
 like "volume down by two notches"
 Matts able to use the note 8 with no problems
 Also, working without ac
 Don't forget you need a case.
 Haha
 It's a nice day in downers grove
 i hate you
 I know. :(
 My first time here
 And I'm on a time limit. :(
 XD
 @Abrerr, I Love Frys but MicroCenter is better IMHO
 Nice to let me know!
 wait, they cut it off when they don't support it anymore?
 No it's the battery in it
 oh
 https://www.meetup.com/South-Florida-Linux-Users-Group-FLUX/events/242132338/
 That's a basic topic.
 yea but I have not done much with mine
 that @KMyers gave me
 @itnet7 around?
 Yeah, What's happening?
 I'd like to talk about having someone else have access to the twitter account
 No problem, who is interested in using it?
 no one that I know of lol
 the password is the same that you set, but I might make a new one with Enpass
 Sounds good, as long as we don't lose access to it 😊
 I'll email to you
 Thank you !
 Tbh it's pretty secure I think but not sure
 Might be my enpass password changing habit lol
 Well damn


[12:57] <dmfrey> tgm4883: i got the screen saver shut off, but still hitting the issue if you turn off the tv, then turn it back on, there is no signal coming over hdmi
[12:58] <dmfrey> any thoughts?
[12:58] <dmfrey> i have to ssh in and restart lightdm in order to reestablish a connection
[12:58] <dmfrey> i'm looking through the power saving options and none of that is enabled


[00:00] <pleia2> ok, linked
[00:00] <GridCube> :D purrfect
[00:00]  * knome needs to fix the plugin too...
[00:01] <pleia2> we hit the 2 hour mark here, do we want to take what we have for now and regroup later in the week to figure out the final stuff to do?
[00:01] <GridCube> :( again sorry for making so late remarks
[00:02] <pleia2> GridCube: thanks for bringing them up anyway, gives us more to think about moving forward
[00:03] <GridCube> :)
[00:03] <knome> pleia2, yeah i think that would be more productive
[00:04] <knome> was thinking the same a moment ago
[00:04] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone :)
[00:04] <knome> thanks
[00:04] <GridCube> :)
[00:04] <knome> pleia2, maybe reschedule to max 2 weeks from now?
[00:05] <knome> i could look at the theme/plugin issues meanwhile, so i could concentrate more on the content the next time
[00:05] <pleia2> knome: sounds good :)
[00:05]  * pleia2 nods
[00:05] <knome> pleia2, would you like to do that?
[00:05] <pleia2> sounds good! while you're working on theme things feel free to nudge me for testing now and then
[00:05] <knome> 22UTC is kind of late for me, but i suppose it's okay if you can't do any earlier
[00:05] <knome> yeah, i will
[00:05] <pleia2> usually I can do earlier, I just had lunch plans today :)
[00:05] <knome> i think i'll set up yet an another installation for this :P
[00:05] <knome> to see any more regressions
[00:05] <knome> yeah
[00:06] <pleia2> you're welcome to keep using the install on dagobah
[00:06] <knome> i might have done some hacks there already ;)
[00:06] <pleia2> it doesn't reboot all the time anymore!
[00:06] <pleia2> ah, yeah
[00:06] <knome> want a clean installation
[00:06]  * pleia2 nods
[00:06] <knome> anyway
[00:07] <knome> can you suggest some times for the sprint for example in our meeting on monday?
[00:07] <pleia2> will do
[00:07]  * pleia2 hopes to know when she goes on an airplane next by then (we're doing a mileage run weekend adventure some weekend in december, woo)
[00:07] <knome> okay, thanks
[00:07] <knome> aha
[00:08]  * pleia2 wanders off to do hous ethings
[00:08] <pleia2> house
[00:09] <knome> :)
[00:09] <knome> see you!
[03:13] <SiDi> I think even knome is sleeping by now.
[03:15] <GridCube> yep
[03:30] <astraljava> He might be. He's a sissy, you know.
[06:35] <benonsoftware> Who is in chage of the Xubuntu website?
[08:10]  * madnick is confused
[08:10] <madnick> we decided on having a checkbutton for enabling autologin
[08:10] <madnick> But: Whats the point if user is grayed out? :P
[08:11] <madnick> Because we decided on that aswell, if we use it like it is, then: Its just a switch button for enabling the controls themselves
[08:11] <madnick> Which could be fine, I don't know
[08:15] <madnick> [madnick] Implement autologin: BLOCKED ;)
[13:05] <alco75> hi Xubuntu devs/contribs, thanks for all your hard work on the distro :)
[13:12] <knome> madnick, huh?
[13:12] <knome> madnick, yeah, it could be a switch button enabling the controls
[13:13] <knome> madnick, as long as there is no autologin when they are greyed out
[13:14] <madnick> knome: well, its not just for the current user, its for all of them
[13:14] <madnick> So, it may be enabled for some right
[13:14] <madnick> that is the problem
[13:15] <knome> hä?
[13:15] <madnick> There can only be 1 autologin user
[13:15] <knome> yes
[13:15] <madnick> But, this is a selection for all users, to take over that
[13:15] <knome> as long as a user has sudo right, the controls should be enabled
[13:15] <madnick> Yes, but the users are listed
[13:15] <knome> ..yes?
[13:16] <knome> is that a problem
[13:16] <madnick> Wait, im gonna see if i can formulate this better
[13:16] <madnick> :P
[13:16] <knome> okay
[13:17] <madnick> Acctually, I think I'll do this: If autologin is enabled for *any* user, the checkbutton is ticked by default, if not, you have to tick it yourself :)
[13:17] <knome> yes.
[13:17] <knome> that makes perfect sense
[13:17] <madnick> Yes, but that was not what we said when we discussed it :P
[13:18] <knome> that's how i think ochosi imagined it
[13:18] <knome> hah :
[13:18] <knome> :)
[13:48] <knome> anybody has the default /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu or know where to find it?
[14:03] <mr_pouit> knome: libgarcon-common for the upstream one, and xubuntu-default-settings for our custom version (it's in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu)
[14:08] <knome> thanks :)
[16:02] <ochosi> madnick: heyo, how's it goin?
[16:09] <madnick> ochosi: hi
[16:09] <madnick> ochosi: well, im working on the lightdm implementation draft :)
[16:09] <madnick> ochosi: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/ldms3.ogg that works now
[16:10] <madnick> is the GUI satesfactory?
[16:10] <ochosi> yah, just saw the video-link in -offtopic and looked at it
[16:11] <ochosi> very nice!
[16:11] <ochosi> btw, enable border in the listview ,)
[16:11] <ochosi> ;)
[16:11] <madnick> right!
[16:11] <madnick> :D
[16:11] <ochosi> it really works as expected otherwise, good work!
[16:11] <madnick> ok good
[16:11] <madnick> also
[16:11] <madnick> I extracted most of the image things from the draft you gave me
[16:11] <madnick> But some things I couldnt extract
[16:12] <madnick> Like the box for the users
[16:12] <madnick> I tried toggling all of the "eyes"
[16:12] <madnick> Is that part of another one?
[16:12] <ochosi> right, i think it's only a lineout, not a real/full image in the sense
[16:13] <ochosi> i guess it'd be better to do that with css
[16:13] <madnick> oh okay
[16:13] <ochosi> i guess you'll use some kind of input-boxes there anyway, no?
[16:13] <madnick> for the password? yes
[16:14] <madnick> im a bit blocked on the matter, becasue i need to implement more of the exposure api, before i can fetch all things needed
[16:14] <ochosi> k, errm, which "box for the users" where you referring to exactly btw?
[16:14] <ochosi> right
[16:14] <ochosi> well, no hurry, you're already pretty good in timing with the settings-gui, that's really coming along very nicels
[16:14] <ochosi> nicely
[16:15] <madnick> well i meant the rect box
[16:15] <madnick> with the small nicknames
[16:15] <ochosi> oh, i see
[16:15] <ochosi> i can export that for you if it helps
[16:15] <madnick> would be great :)
[16:15] <ochosi> you mean with the: avatar|rn(username)
[16:16] <madnick> yes, that box
[16:18] <ochosi> madnick: http://imagebin.org/184899
[16:19] <madnick> thanks
[16:19] <ochosi> np
[16:30] <ochosi> k, g2g. have a nice evening everyone!
[16:30] <madnick> cya


[03:06] <Hobbsee> geser: sounds sensible, yeah
[05:30] <Flannel> and if you have more than 10, 11 is q, 12 is w, ertyuio work as well.
[08:29] <Iulian> G'morning
[09:17] <Iulian> Does anyone have some spare time to check my debdiff - http://paste.ubuntu.com/5465/plain/ (for pyragua - bug #199014)
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199014 in eric "python-xml removal: please drop/replace (build) dependencies" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199014
[09:18] <Iulian> I've tested it without python-xml and it's working fine.
[10:14] <slomo_> siretart: that's great, i version with monkey's audio support would be nice to have ;) what's the plan for lenny then? and when? :)
[10:32] <siretart> slomo_: TBH, no idea. sam does not respond to my mails :(
[10:34] <BUGabundo> hi there
[10:35] <BUGabundo> in which package is ionice?
[10:36] <geser> util-linux
[10:37] <BUGabundo> thanks geser
[10:40] <slomo_> siretart: too bad :/
[10:44] <Iulian> siretart: Hi, I've attached a new debdiff for nxtvepg package, if you would like to review it when you have some spare time.
[10:44] <hellboy195> slomo_: hi, what about my beagle merge?
[15:14]  * RainCT updated REVU's codebase; if you find some strange problem ping me (there shouldn't be any, but just to be sure)
[16:08] <yen> hi everybody, I need some help to include my deb into the ubuntu repositories
[16:09] <yen> the application's name is subdownloader, it's an automatic subtitle finder for movies
[16:09] <yen> it got more than 600.000 downloads so far, but I want to encourage people download from ubuntu
[16:10] <yen> anybody can help?
[16:11] <Nafallo> !revu
[16:11] <ubotwo> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[16:11] <Nafallo> put it there :-)
[16:12] <crimsun> yen: cf. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[16:13] <yen> thks, i am taking a look
[16:18] <crimsun> xsystemx: virtualbox-ose being the source package residing in universe.  MOTU care for those.
[16:18] <xsystemx> crimsun - you've been a great help !
[16:20] <xsystemx> crimsun - just cant figure out what dvd rom is not in virtualbox settings?
[16:20] <crimsun> keescook: hardening-wrapper installs a symlink for gcc-4.3 and g++-4.3 in hardy, and neither of those are valid for Ubuntu.  May I remove the #4.3# reference from debian/rules?
[16:21] <crimsun> keescook: (as well as debian/p{reinst,ostrm})
[16:24] <crimsun> hmm, I guess you'd want to retain the reference in debian/postrm to handle the hardy->hardy upgrade case.
[16:25] <crimsun> (since it's ||true)
[16:50] <wraund> guys what proccesses relating to the keyboard are restarted after a logout?
[16:50] <wraund> the keyboard jams but logging out fixes it
[16:51] <jdong> X? :)
[16:51] <Nafallo> :-D
[16:54] <protonchris> If I am just changing a package to fix the dependencies (soname bump), do I need to submit a FFE?
[16:55] <zul> no
[16:55] <protonchris> thanks.
[17:05] <hefe_bia> Short question: Should a source change backport change the maintainer field in control?
[17:14] <RainCT> Does this need a FFe? http://code.google.com/p/hotwire-shell/wiki/HotwireChanges#Changes_in_Hotwire_0.710
[17:17] <crimsun> RainCT: IMO, yes.
[17:17] <RainCT> Iulian: ^^
[17:17] <Iulian> Ahh
[17:17] <RainCT> crimsun: ok, thx
[17:20] <crimsun> np
[17:21] <Tilllinux> heya. I'm looking for something like a tutorial for building .deb packages (e.g. the OGRE rendering engine etc)
[17:24] <crimsun> Tilllinux: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html, https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/appendix-resources.html
[18:30] <crimsun> dpm: it adds an explicit hardy task above and beyond the implicit hardy bug report
[18:30] <crimsun> dpm: IOW, it's unnecessary
[18:31] <dpm> crimsun: ok, thanks
[18:36] <protonchris> Is it too late to request a sync from debian unstable (with a FFE of course)?
[18:37] <protonchris> I should mention that the package I want to sync is in main.
[18:38] <crimsun> protonchris: it might be.  Is it an entirely new version or a new packaging revision?
[18:39] <protonchris> New version.  3.0.1 -> 3.0.2
[18:39] <protonchris> It is libgda.  The soname does stay the same though.
[18:39] <crimsun> likely pretty minor.  Which package?
[18:39] <protonchris> libgda3
[18:40] <crimsun> protonchris: I'd file one, then.
[18:41] <protonchris> Thanks.  I'll give it a shot.
[18:49] <emgent> heya
[19:03] <m8ram> hi, I'm looking for some general information on developing/maintaining packages.  Can anybody here point me in the right direction?
[19:03] <crimsun> m8ram: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html, https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/appendix-resources.html
[19:06] <superm1> crimsun, you got a sec to look over a backports bug?
[19:06] <m8ram> crimsun: thx, but in addition to guidelines concerning packaging something for debian/ubuntu I'm also looking for information on how to start working on the upstream project itself
[19:07] <m8ram> crimsun: especially if the original author appears to have abandoned the project
[20:12] <RainCT> m8ram: well, that depends on each project
[20:13] <RainCT> m8ram: if it seems to be abandoned and you want to adobt it I'd mail the upstream developer asking about it and if he doesn't answer in a reasonable amount of time (2-4 weeks for example) create a fork
[20:14] <m8ram> RainCT: that's one way of doing it, but it didn't seem "right" to me, but then again I have no experience with this...
[20:23] <hellboy195> Folks, I read the manpage but can anyone tell me how to use diffstat correctly?
[20:41] <pochu> hellboy195: diff -ruN old-dir new-dir | diffstat
[20:41] <hellboy195> pochu: oh thanks :D :D:D
[20:52] <marcin_ant> hi all
[20:54] <marcin_ant> I got propably very easy question
[20:54] <marcin_ant> I'm trying to build package using cdbs
[20:54] <marcin_ant> and I use debhelper.mk
[20:56] <marcin_ant> thing is that I would like to run dh_install to verify my *.install files
[21:19] <bddebian> Heya gang
[21:22] <tsmithe> can someone upload the update to mscore provided by the debdiff that's been sitting attached to bug 195179 for two weeks, please?
[21:22] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 195179 in mscore "Please update mscore to 0.9.1d+dfsg-0ubuntu2 (debdiff attached)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195179
[21:38] <RainCT> tsmithe: I'm looking at it :)
[21:38] <tsmithe> thanks RainCT :)
[21:39] <geser> Hi bddebian
[21:39] <bddebian> Heya geser
[21:39] <hellboy195> RainCT: you shouldn't do that ^^. I'm waiting for someone who looks at my merges since 2 weeks :P
[21:39] <RainCT> tsmithe: can I assume that it has been tested and is working?
[21:40] <tsmithe> yes, yes
[21:40] <RainCT> heh
[21:40] <RainCT> hellboy195: reviewing merges is boring :)
[21:40] <tsmithe> it makes life much easier for users who don't know the workings of synthesising
[21:40] <hellboy195> RainCT: bäh :P
[21:41] <hellboy195> RainCT: I already have some experience with merging. So look at my ones. They should be mostly easy so review and ok :D
[21:41]  * RainCT is going to sleep in a few minutes :)
[21:43]  * tsmithe just wishes they'd process fluid-soundfont in debian NEW a bit quicker
[21:43] <hellboy195> RainCT: k ^^
[21:43] <RainCT> hellboy195: subscribe me to some and I'll have a look at those tomorrow ;)
[21:44] <hellboy195> RainCT: great, but you could also look at the u-u-s list ;)
[21:46] <RainCT> hellboy195: I do, when I have time :)
[21:46] <erle-> hi all
[21:47] <hellboy195> RainCT: great :D how many do you want for tomorrow? I can give you 7-8 :P
[21:47] <hellboy195> erle-: hi
[21:47] <erle-> will there be a newer version of swfdec in hardy?
[21:47] <hellboy195> erle-: 0.5.4-1
[21:47] <squentin> I've got the 2 ack for my ffe request (bug #199988). Now I must attach the debdiff to the bug and subscribe u-u-s, right ?
[21:47] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 199988 in gmusicbrowser "[FFe request] Please upgrade gmusicbrowser" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199988
[21:48] <erle-> i think it is a better replacement for adobe flash than gnash is
[21:48] <erle-> hellboy195, current is 0.6.0
[21:48] <hellboy195> squentin: I think you don't have to do anything :)
[21:48] <hellboy195> erle-: yeah but hardy has 0.5.4-1 and I don't think it will get an update
[21:49] <RainCT> hellboy195: 2 or 3 are enough lol
[21:50] <hellboy195> RainCT: ok. Now you see what happens if u-u-s have not enough members ;)
[21:50] <squentin> hellboy195: oh, are you sure, I thought I should upload my package somewhere
[21:50] <RainCT> squentin: yes, attach the debdiff and subscribe u-u-s
[21:50] <hellboy195> DAMN! ^^
[21:50] <squentin> RainCT: ok
[21:51] <squentin> hellboy195: :)
[21:51] <hellboy195> squentin: sry
[21:51] <squentin> hellboy195: no problem
[21:52] <squentin> btw, why use a debdiff, instead of uploading a source package ?
[21:52] <hellboy195> erle-: 0.6 is in debian experimental. If it gets to unstable soon you have a chance to see it in hardy
[21:52] <RainCT> squentin: is the package in Debian?
[21:52] <squentin> no, not yet
[21:52] <erle-> hellboy195, thx for info
[21:53] <RainCT> squentin: ah, then attach the .diff.gz
[21:53] <RainCT> squentin: does it have a debian/watch file or get-orig-source rule?
[21:53] <squentin> yes
[21:53] <RainCT> squentin: okay; so the .diff.gz is enough
[21:53] <hellboy195> erle-: You're welcome :)
[21:53] <squentin> RainCT: ok thanks
[21:54] <erle-> hellboy195, i would like to join the team in packaging etc, but at the moment i do not have the time
[21:54] <hellboy195> erle-: hmm than join later ;)
[21:55] <hellboy195> RainCT: should I also set my merges to "In Progress" after I assigned them to you?
[21:56] <RainCT> hellboy195: subscribe, not assign
[21:56] <hellboy195> ohh
[21:57] <RainCT> well, assign is also good (if that sends me a mail, I'm not sure if it does), but if you just subscribe me someone else might look at it in before
[21:57] <hellboy195> I'll do both
[21:57] <hellboy195> :D
[21:58] <hellboy195> hmm 2 very easy ones for you and 1 easy one ;)
[22:01] <hellboy195> RainCT: Are you sure you only want 3? ^^
[22:01] <RainCT> very sure :)
[22:02] <hellboy195> ah ok. However. THANKS
[22:02] <RainCT> hellboy195: there's always still the u-u-s queue for the case I get bored
[22:03] <hellboy195> RainCT: I'm asking me if others also 2 weeks for a MOTU to approve. If not filter my name ^^
[22:08] <RainCT> hellboy195: I guess there's a "take" missing before the 2?
[22:09] <hellboy195> RainCT: true, or wait. what you want :)
[22:11] <RainCT> tsmithe: FFe bug number please'
[22:11] <RainCT> eh, forget that :P
[22:11] <tsmithe> RainCT, erm, how does that provide new features?
[22:11] <tsmithe> oh ok :)
[22:12] <RainCT> tsmithe: uploading :)
[22:12] <tsmithe> :)
[22:12] <RainCT> (removed the ~ppa changelog entry first)
[22:13] <tsmithe> sure, whatevs :)
[22:21] <crimsun> superm1: a few minutes now
[22:25] <hellboy195> RainCT: I'm going to bed now. If you want more merges just ping me tomorrow. hmm or just take them ;) Again Thanks :D
[22:26] <RainCT> hellboy195: good night :)
[22:27] <hellboy195> RainCT: you too :)
[22:27] <RainCT> btw, is there some way to generate a .deb download script without synaptic?
[22:28] <RainCT> sudo aptitude -t hardy --download-only full-upgrade   's ETA is 7 days here :/
[22:29] <RainCT> and if I had a script for those I could get some of that from school (I've access to some Ubuntu boxes there :))
[22:33] <tsmithe> thanks RainCT :)
[22:33] <tonyyarusso> I see that Bug #193605 has two ACKs since Thursday - might someone have a moment to take care of uploading?
[22:33] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 193605 in conduit "Feature Freeze Exception request for Conduit 0.3.8" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193605
[22:35] <RainCT> tsmithe: np :)
[22:35] <RainCT> good night
[22:36] <tsmithe> night
[22:53] <LaserJock> ScottK: congrats!
[22:54] <tonyyarusso> what'd ScottK do?
[22:55] <LaserJock> he's now a Debian Maintainer
[22:56] <tonyyarusso> Ah, cool.
[23:02] <pochu> ScottK, LaserJock: congratulations :)
[23:03] <bddebian> LaserJock: Aren't you one too?
[23:03] <LaserJock> yes, that's how I know ScottK made it
[23:03] <LaserJock> I got the email
[23:04] <pochu> I read it at d-d-a ;)
[23:06] <cyberix> Are there any specific tools that are used for backporting packageS?
[23:07] <tonyyarusso> cyberix: antidepressants, from what I hear.
[23:08] <bddebian> LaserJock: Ah, nice!
[23:08] <cyberix> :-D
[23:09] <LaserJock> cyberix: prevu perhaps?
[23:12] <jdong> if anyone can come up with an [b]ac[ck]ronym for prozac I'd be happy to rename prevu 1.x.x series :)
[23:13] <cyberix> It is Prozac REVU?
[23:14] <jdong> cyberix: I like that :)
[23:17] <farruinn> I'm trying to make a package but debuild fails at the signing step. It complains that a secret key is not available
[23:19] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: hey, do you have time to upload a FFE that already has 2 ACKs?
[23:20] <ScottK2> LaserJock: Congratulations on DM.
[23:20] <farruinn> On the PackagingGuide/Complete wiki page it says this is because it can't find a key with the same name and e-mail but I thought I created one following the GnuPrivacyGuardHowto page
[23:20] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: what package?
[23:20] <tonyyarusso> or any of you other people with the power that just started talking :P
[23:20] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: conduit.
[23:20] <ScottK2> farruinn: It needs to be an exact match.  If you're having trouble use the -k option with your keyid.
[23:23] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: that's a Universe package?
[23:23] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Yes.
[23:23] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: well, wait.  Lemme double-check.
[23:24] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Yes.
[23:24] <LaserJock> I'm kinda busy
[23:24] <LaserJock> perhaps another MOTU would volunteer
[23:24] <LaserJock> but if not I could maybe do it later
[23:25] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[23:26] <farruinn> ScottK2: Ah, thanks. I didn't realize I needed to include the comment portion of the key as well.
[23:34] <azeem> "If you're not scared by packages generating their patch series by applying sed statements from cdbs include files before passing the patches through an awk filter to quilt until they're finally built with yada, you might be the right person."
[23:34] <azeem> that could also be the MOTU tag line
[23:37] <Laney> That brought me out in a cold sweat when I first read it
[23:37]  * Fujitsu stabs azeem with yada, several times.
[23:38] <azeem> you know where this is from?
[23:38] <Fujitsu> Do I want to?
[23:39] <azeem> it's from the job posting asking for new Debian Security Team members
[23:39] <Fujitsu> Some RFA, or RFH, for some package that deserves to die a horrible painful death?
[23:39] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[23:39]  * Fujitsu is fine with doing Ubuntu security work, and has only had to deal with yada-using packages once or twice.
[23:40] <Fujitsu> It was more than mildly unpleasant, but....
[23:43] <Fujitsu> Too many ScottKs.
[23:44] <ScottK3> One of them will go away in a bit.
[23:44] <ScottK3> azeem: I liked the reply better.
[23:46] <Fujitsu> Anyone know of a way to get LP to give me a list of all open bugs in a package, regardless of whether they're release-specific or not?
[23:46] <tonyyarusso> Fujitsu: advanced search: by status?
[23:47] <Fujitsu> tonyyarusso: In what context, though?
[23:49] <tonyyarusso> Fujitsu: from /ubuntu/+source/packagename
[23:50] <Fujitsu> I don't think that'll give me stuff that's closed in the current release.
[23:50] <Fujitsu> But still open in previous ones.
[23:50] <LaserJock> yeah, that might be a tricky one
[23:50]  * tonyyarusso isn't sure
[23:51] <Fujitsu> Looks like I'll have to look through the page for each release then. Yay.
[23:51] <tonyyarusso> I think it does though, b/c I've seen one of the bugs on my subscribe list that way
[23:51] <tonyyarusso> a wordpress sql injection one
[23:51] <Fujitsu> That's a subscription list.
[23:51] <Fujitsu> Which is different.
[23:51] <tonyyarusso> right
[23:51] <tonyyarusso> meh
[23:52]  * tonyyarusso hasn't really bothered learning LP, since it looks like they aren't actually going to O-S it
[23:54] <LaserJock> that's always been the plan, and I haven't heard anything otherwise
[23:54] <pwnguin> i imagine they wont GPL/AFL it until it can track another instance of itself
[23:54] <RAOF> That was the main justification I've heard, yes.
[23:55] <pwnguin> but if it can track sourceforge...
[23:55] <pwnguin> and savahanna
[23:55] <pwnguin> then there doesn't seem to be a large push for it internally
[23:55] <LaserJock> no, it's not about tracking itself
[23:56] <LaserJock> it's about launchpad.net being the canonical instance
[23:58] <LaserJock> although it's odd to have a goal of centralizing FLOSS development while developing a decentralized VCS ;-)
[23:58] <pwnguin> na, you're looking at it wrong