[06:41] <ara> morning all!
[06:41]  * nigelb waves
[06:51] <jono> hey ara
[06:51] <ara> morning jono, nigelb
[06:58] <jussi> todays music :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuo3sqsHNEc&feature=search
[06:59] <jussi> and good morning all!
[06:59]  * jussi waves to jono, ara and nigelb
[07:01] <nigelb> morning jussi :)
[07:01] <nigelb> I'm having a marginally better day today, though sleep would be nice...
[07:01] <jussi> nigelb: Im very sore today
[07:02]  * nigelb hugs jussi
[07:02] <jussi> nigelb: its my fault though :D
[07:05] <nigelb> jussi: what did ya do? move furniture around?
[07:05] <jussi> nigelb: too much gym :D
[07:05] <nigelb> Ah.
[07:05]  * nigelb gets back to work
[07:06] <nigelb> If I don't finish it, I'll be forced to cancel vacation :D
[07:17] <dpm> good morning everyone
[07:18] <ara> morning dpm
[07:19] <dpm> hola ara :)
[07:22]  * ara prepares some coffee
[07:22]  * jussi goes to get cornflakes...
[07:23] <jono> hey dpm
[07:23] <jono> I have annoying news
[07:23] <jono> I am going to have to miss our call on Thurs; I have a breakfast appointment
[07:24] <jono> I am just looking at when we can reschedule
[07:24] <dpm> hey jono, good morning, no probs. Perhaps Friday or today after the team call?
[07:25] <jono> dpm, after the team call I have a call with Mark
[07:25] <jono> maybe we can keep our team call to 30 and we can dip in for 30 then?
[07:25] <jono> dpm, sorry about this...I am meeting the editor of Wired that morning - it turns out he lives near me
[07:26] <dpm> jono, if it's ok for the other guys, it's ok for me.   Busy days :(
[08:11]  * dpm sends over a hug to nigelb then
[08:18]  * nigelb hugs dpm too :)
[09:07] <duanedesign> good morning all
[09:08] <dholbach> hi duanedesign
[09:08] <duanedesign> i was doing some wikipedia work this morning.
[09:09] <duanedesign> i came across this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Minimal_Desktop
[09:10] <duanedesign> if i am  understanding the trademark policy, the use of the logo and naming of the project violate the Ubuntu trademark policy
[09:26] <akgraner> jussi, ping
[10:14] <sense> good morning
[10:16] <nigelb> duanedesign: you know the developer :)
[10:17] <duanedesign> nigelb: i do :P
[10:17] <nigelb> duanedesign: ask her then ;)
[10:18] <czajkowski> morning
[10:18] <duanedesign> nigelb: i read the trademark policy a few more times. i think i understand it
[10:19] <nigelb> czajkowski: good morning, sense: aloha
[10:19] <nigelb> czajkowski: wait, you didn't start with Aloha, bad sign?
[10:19] <czajkowski> nigelb: no I looked at my inbox first
[10:20] <nigelb> czajkowski: ouch.
[10:24]  * duanedesign keeps trying to use moinmoin syntax on wikipedia :P
[10:24] <nigelb> duanedesign: heh, I do that with the wiki I have too.  Its PM Wiki
[10:26] <sense> hello nigelb
[10:34] <duanedesign> maco: like your new blog post.
[10:42] <duanedesign> maco: their are a lot of people on the Beginners Team wanting to learn packaging. I was just drawing up something similar, from a less knowledgable viewpoint :) So this will be helpfull
[10:54] <akgraner> Thanks jussi!  Enjoyed that interview with you!
[10:55] <dholbach> can we link those interviews on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Interviews ?
[11:18] <doctormo> maco: ping
[11:18] <doctormo> duanedesign: I was drawing something up too.
[11:21] <nigelb> dholbach: we had a behindubuntu.org/
[11:21] <nigelb> ?
[11:21] <dholbach> yes
[11:21] <nigelb> is that what moved to behindmotu?
[11:22] <dholbach> no
[11:22] <dholbach> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://behindubuntu.org/
[11:22] <dholbach> http://web.archive.org/web/20080609184110/http://behindubuntu.org/
[11:22] <dholbach> it was not restricted to MOTU or anything
[11:23] <nigelb> like what we want to do for behindthecircle?
[11:25] <dholbach> I leave that for you to decide :)
[11:25] <dholbach> but it wasn't "just developers"
[11:25] <nigelb> AH
[11:26] <huats> nigelb, and it was translated well at least there was some team
[11:26] <huats> that were trying to translate
[11:27] <huats> and to publish at the same time
[11:27] <huats> :)
[11:27] <nigelb> huats: oh, nice.
[11:27] <huats> nigelb, I did some a long time ago, that is how I learnt that dholbach read Harry Potter in French many times :)
[11:27] <nigelb> we'll probably limit ourselves to ~ubuntu-dev for now.  It is huge.
[11:27] <doctormo> A _very_ early draft http://divajutta.com/doctormo/foo/debian-packaging.tar.gz and the place to find content: lp:~doctormo/doctormo-random/debian-packaging
[11:27] <nigelb> huats: hahaha, probably to learn French.
[11:46] <akgraner> oh wow - I thought behind the circle was just for developers
[11:48] <akgraner> dholbach, which interviews do you want linked?  The ones from over the last couple months?  sure
[11:48] <dholbach> akgraner, don't stress yourself too much :)
[11:48] <akgraner> I need to add the /Interview wiki to the checklist so I don't forget that it is there
[11:49] <akgraner> dholbach, nope - I got rid of stress :-)  (they start back to school today :-D - just kidding)
[11:49]  * dholbach hugs akgraner
[11:49] <dholbach> yoohoo!
[11:50] <akgraner> :-)
[11:53] <kim0> everyone telling akgraner to take it easy :)
[11:53] <kim0> akgraner: How's it going
[11:53] <akgraner> kim0, good now - last week I don't think I was so nice to jono at all
[11:54] <akgraner> the new Fridge had be stressing a bit
[11:54] <akgraner> s/be/me
[11:54] <akgraner> but it's getting there
[11:54] <akgraner> poor jono - I made him feel my pain  - :-(
[11:56] <kim0> I'm sure you're doing an amazing job ..
[11:56] <kim0> just take it easy .. we need ya
[11:56] <akgraner> thanks!
[11:57] <akgraner> kim0, I just told pgraner I want my own cloud
[11:57] <kim0> hehehe
[11:57] <kim0> yeah why not
[11:57] <akgraner> he said I am beating up the server here too much
[11:57] <kim0> you're a demanding user hehe
[11:58] <akgraner> yeah I think so - I keep posting images and adding them to the Forum Post for UWN
[11:58] <akgraner> though I finally moved them to my people page so the Canonical server could get beat up :-)
[11:59] <kim0> poor little box :)
[12:08] <akgraner> hehe
[12:08] <duanedesign> doctormo: cool, ill take a look at your draft :)
[12:10] <duanedesign> oh wow. the icon for my home folder just changed with the latest Maverick update :)
[12:44] <doctormo> duanedesign: What to?
[12:44] <nigelb> duanedesign: picture!
[12:49] <vish> duanedesign: thats a good wow or a wow this is so bad ? ;)
[12:53] <dholbach> oh wow. gtk-window-decorator just crashed.
[12:57] <nigelb> so much of w's
[14:19] <dholbach> going to work the rest of today from home - see you in a few minutes
[14:27] <nigelb> I'm gonna pack up too.  Catch y'all later :)
[14:40] <duanedesign> doctormo: nigelb http://people.ubuntu.com/~duanedesign/newHome.SS.png
[14:42] <duanedesign> vish: heh, it is a good wow :)
[14:50] <akgraner> I'm bummed :-(  Just had to decline my invitation to speak and be part of a round table for Open World Forum in Paris
[14:51] <paultag> akgraner: awww!!!!
[14:52] <akgraner> paultag, I know right  - but I am flattered they asked me  - I just sent them 3 more names so hopefully they will pick one of those
[14:53] <akgraner> I threw czajkowski under the bus and gave them her name as well
[14:53] <akgraner> :-D
[14:53] <paultag> akgraner: woo!! cztab should do it for sure
[14:54] <czajkowski> lol thanks
[14:54] <czajkowski> paultag: feeling better tday ?
[14:54] <paultag> czajkowski: not much, but yes :)
[14:54] <czajkowski> paultag: you avoding us again
[14:55] <czajkowski> such a snobby git
[14:55] <czajkowski> :p
[14:55] <paultag> Gah!
[14:55] <czajkowski> one of these days I wont tell you
[14:55] <paultag> czajkowski: and i'll never figure it out
[14:56] <paultag> czajkowski: I'm not very smart, you see
[15:02] <vish> duanedesign: phew! :D  i was actually hoping Bug #382703 would get fixed and everything would make more sense ;)
[15:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 382703 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) ""Home Folder" has 3 different names (affects: 26) (heat: 167)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382703
[15:05] <duanedesign> vish: heh, i never noticed that before.. that is a bit awkward
[15:06] <vish> duanedesign: oh wow! you are one of the elite few who use a black theme! :D
[15:06] <vish> not easy finding such folk ;)
[15:07] <dholbach> restarting my session, somehow compiz is a bit unhappy
[15:08] <czajkowski> when is compiz ever happy :)
[15:12] <duanedesign> vish: i am really liking the clearlooks-dark orange controls. The orange 'highlights' look good with the dark theme.
[15:12] <vish> duanedesign: what theme are you using?  i usually turn the theme colors i like atm to black..
[15:12] <vish> duanedesign: ah, clearlooks!
[15:16] <sense> In the news today: Microsoft: we love open source. (nice face) In the past we've made the mistake to equal all open source projects to Linux. (boom!)
[15:17] <duanedesign> vish: its Ambiance with clearlooks-dark orange controls
[15:18] <vish> ah.
[15:41] <dpm> wohoo! we've got nearly as many events as the Lucid Global Jam: http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[15:42] <czajkowski> whoo
[15:42] <czajkowski> :D
[15:42] <dpm> considering that maverick is not an LTS, that's quite cool
[15:49] <nigelb> duanedesign: sweep!
[15:49] <nigelb> err
[15:49] <nigelb> sweet!
[15:53] <nigelb> czajkowski: on a roll today aren't you? :)
[15:53] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/326/detail/  is now up for teams to add their release party to
[15:53] <czajkowski> nigelb: if only :(
[15:53]  * nigelb sees lot of WIs nailed
[15:54] <dholbach> czajkowski, ROCK ON! :)
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, kim0, dpm all set?
[16:00] <dholbach> yes
[16:00] <kim0> yes
[16:00] <dpm> jono, yes, we're all talking behind your back in the mumble already
[16:00] <dholbach> jono, we're all waiting in mumble for you
[16:01] <jono> ahh
[16:03]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[16:04]  * nigelb listens to jussi and akgraner :)
[16:04] <akgraner> nigelb, thanks!
[16:04] <akgraner> Failure to Communicate will be ready in about an hour
[16:04] <nigelb> \o/
[16:04] <nigelb> I need to get it before your site gets hammered :p
[16:06] <nigelb> jussi: so, that's how your name is pronounced!
[16:21] <akgraner> nigelb, :-P
[16:22] <akgraner> I think I put this on my people page since it is an Ubuntu related interview
[16:22] <nigelb> akgraner: ah, that sounds better
[16:23] <akgraner> nigelb, I told kim0 earlier that I told Pete I want my own cloud
[16:24] <nigelb> akgraner: heh, good idea :)
[16:24] <kim0> everyone is entitled to his own cloud :)
[16:24] <nigelb> kim0: heh
[16:24] <akgraner> heck I'll settle for my own physical server here at home but Pete would make me learn how to admin it I'm afraid
[16:24] <nigelb> akgraner: hahaha, you'll have to learn it on a cloud too
[16:25] <nigelb> only you'd have a pretty interface from the web
[16:25] <akgraner> nigelb, exactly :-)
[16:25] <akgraner> nice gui's
[16:25] <duanedesign> having a vps is nice
[16:26] <paultag> +1
[16:26] <nigelb> +1
[16:26] <paultag> I need some raw hardware, though
[16:26] <akgraner> the command line and I are just acquaintances but I hope to become better friends as time allows
[16:26] <paultag> I want to set up a build farm in my house
[16:26] <nigelb> paultag, duanedesign: Now, that sounds like a BT meeting :p
[16:26] <paultag> nigelb: :)
[16:27] <paultag> akgraner: see! You're getting more nerdy as time goes on!
[16:28] <nigelb> akgraner: sssh, don't remind her.
[16:28] <akgraner> paultag, shhhhh!
[16:28] <paultag> :)
[16:28] <paultag> nigelb: watch out, she might read that as "ssh"
[16:28] <nigelb> paultag: err, that was meant for you earlier
[16:29] <nigelb> paultag: that day will come soon
[16:29] <nigelb> she she pushes files to people.ubuntu.com via scp
[16:29] <paultag> woo
[16:29] <nigelb> paultag: not yet
[16:29] <nigelb> but it will come soon ;)
[16:31] <akgraner> I ssh into the server here :-) when I *have* too but thanks to the lovely gui on my desktop I don't have to do that much only when I am away from home on someone else's computer
[16:32] <paultag> !machine is nice
[16:32]  * nigelb blinks.  Looks at akgraner again.  Blinks again.
[16:32] <paultag> whoh
[16:32] <paultag> ubot2 thought I was trying to program him
[16:32] <ubot2> paultag: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:33] <Pici> tsk tsk.
[16:33] <paultag> Someone deny that :)
[16:33] <paultag> sorry!
[16:33] <nigelb> paultag: !foo is bar is dangerous
[16:33] <Pici> Already ignored.
[16:33] <paultag> Pici: thanks :)
[16:33] <paultag> / !machine == no machine
[16:33] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/08/25/maverick-meerkat-release-parties/
[16:33] <akgraner> nigelb, a trusted computer :-P  and people who already have access
[16:34] <nigelb> akgraner: I did know you're becoming more and more of a geek, but this is impressive :)
[16:34] <paultag> nigelb: *cough* NERD!
[16:35] <nigelb> paultag: ahhh, right s/geek/nerd
[16:35] <paultag> BRB
[16:35] <akgraner> :-P  Someone advised me I need to become more technical  - so I am trying
[16:47] <nigelb> JFo: Nice fake accent :p
[17:25] <jcastro> http://inaugust.com/post/86
[17:25] <jcastro> 8 people complaining, one trying to help
[17:25] <jcastro> welcome to open source!
[17:25] <czajkowski> jcastro: ello
[17:25] <jcastro> hi!
[17:26] <czajkowski> jcastro: aren't you on hols mister
[17:26] <jcastro> http://www.secretsresorts.com/capri/
[17:26] <jcastro> I will be here tomorrow, with no internet
[17:27] <jcastro> so you'll have to put up with me until then, heh
[17:27] <czajkowski> jcastro: always entertainment
[17:27] <czajkowski> wow looks fab
[17:28] <nigelb> jcastro: wait, your away message said you're on vacation!
[17:28] <nigelb> get off IRC!
[17:30] <czajkowski> jcastro: easier to write a blog post bitching then you know.... log the bug!
[17:31] <duanedesign> lol
[17:32] <nigelb> duanedesign: I just gave up ownership of the FG.  Should have done a long back.  Sorry about the delay.
[17:33] <dholbach> ok my friends
[17:33] <dholbach> I call it a day
[17:33] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:33]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:34] <nigelb> dholbach: Night!
[17:34] <czajkowski> dholbach: nn
[17:34] <dholbach> byeeeeeee :)
[17:34] <czajkowski> loonatic
[17:47] <jcastro> czajkowski: he's got something messed up, bugbuddy shouldn't even be installed, that's why he can't file the bug
[17:48] <nigelb> jcastro: +1
[17:49] <czajkowski> can folks do a bit of spreading the love on http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/08/25/maverick-meerkat-release-parties/  please
[17:49] <czajkowski> we have 1 team signed now :)
[18:32] <highvoltage> 4~/join #edubuntu
[18:32] <nigelb> #fail
[18:40] <jono> JFo, "It's a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake"
[18:40] <jono> dammit!
[18:43] <JFo> hahahahaha
[18:43]  * JFo wins!!! \o/
[18:51] <nigelb>  hahahahahaha[1~[3~
[19:04] <nigelb> jono: the rainbow one totally rocked! I laughed to death with that
[19:46] <akgraner> JFo, are you good with me posting the podcast?  Did you listen to it yet?
[19:47] <akgraner> I shared it with nigelb and jcastro but haven't put it out to the whole world yet
[19:52] <JFo> haven't listened yet
[19:55] <akgraner> JFo, listen :-P
[19:55] <JFo> doing so now
[19:55] <JFo> Judy!
[19:56] <akgraner> Crash
[19:56] <JFo> :)
[19:57] <JFo> ask jono what song is stuck in his head
[19:57]  * JFo is evil
[19:58] <akgraner> he's not here for me to ask
[19:59] <JFo> that's too bad
[19:59] <JFo> but ask him when he comes back
[19:59] <JFo> it'll still be stuck there
[19:59] <JFo> all you have to say is "It's a piece of cake to make a pretty cake"
[20:00] <akgraner> JFo, you are an instigator
[20:01] <JFo> not I
[20:03] <akgraner> ok I am going to add a page off of my blog for this for now is that ok with you?
[20:03] <akgraner> or do you want a whole new site for it?
[20:04] <JFo> up to you
[20:04] <JFo> but I don't want people thinking it is ubu-related
[20:04] <akgraner> yeah I know - but I can't *not* talk about Ubuntu
[20:04] <JFo> so that they don't come up going "Why aren't you talking about Ubu..."
[20:13] <JFo> oh man, I just realized I'll be on a plane for Taipei on the 19th
[20:13] <JFo> so I have to talk like a pirate on a plane
[20:14] <JFo> should be interesting
[20:15] <akgraner> hehe
[20:20] <nigelb> JFo: I liked the part where Amber says she has to find about her husband going to Taipei on a podcast :p
[20:20] <JFo> :)
[20:21] <JFo> she was probably told, she just ignores people well :)
[20:21] <nigelb> JFo: and the fake British accent, brilliant
[20:21] <nigelb> hahahaha
[20:21] <nigelb> JFo: she has to try that praciting ignoring on Jono :D
[20:21] <nigelb> (during the roundtable would be ideal :p)
[20:22] <JFo> heh
[20:46] <JFo> nice cow sound there
[20:46] <nigelb> where?
[20:46] <JFo> the end of the podcast
[20:47]  * nigelb goes to listen ending again.
[20:47] <JFo> I meant that for akgraner, but I was apparently on this channel
[20:47] <JFo> :)
[20:47] <nigelb> hahaha
[20:47] <nigelb> BTW, I tried Second Life on Linux
[20:47] <nigelb> (yeah, was bored)
[20:47] <nigelb> It Just Works (tm)
[20:48] <nigelb> Only my hardware wasn't capable enough for it.
[20:48] <nigelb> Ended up like playing Doom on an Intel 486 :p
[20:49] <akgraner> JFo, I told you I was going to end each podcast with the cow sound
[20:50] <JFo> sigh
[20:50] <akgraner> I thought it was funny
[20:50] <akgraner> :-P
[20:51] <JFo> it is
[20:51] <JFo> just... sigh*
[20:51] <JFo> :)
[20:56] <akgraner> JFo, ok it's posted now
[20:57] <nigelb> hahha, the cow sound rocks
[20:57] <akgraner> jono, JFo told me to ask you what song is stuck in your head and he mentioned I should add - "It's a piece of cake to make a pretty cake"
[20:58] <jono> akgraner, haha
[20:58] <jono> it is still there
[20:58] <nigelb> haha
[21:00] <JFo> :-D
[21:18]  * doctormo is so tired
[21:19]  * nigelb too
[21:19] <nigelb> 2 am bedtime and 6 am wakeup for a week is taking toll.
[21:20] <vish> doctormo: in case you havent seen this  : http://www.tatadocomo.com/  ;)
[21:20] <vish> doctormo: for some reason your nick reminds me of that :D
[21:22]  * nigelb hits bed
[21:27] <doctormo> vish: I get asked if I either A) Make shoes B) travel in a tardis or C) have a doctorate in computer.
[21:30] <akgraner> woo hoo - my interview with Stormy Peters hits the internets in the am - I'm a happy camper  - off to hear becca sing for a while now
[21:30] <vish> doctormo: oh great! this was what you were supposed to see : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-1.png  :)
[21:52] <jono> czajkowski, 10 mins?
[21:53] <czajkowski> jono: yarp and you have mail to go with it :)
[21:55] <jono> czajkowski, :-)
[21:55] <jono> wrapping an uber mail and then we can go
[21:55] <czajkowski> grand job whenever just listening to music and reading
[22:02] <jono> czajkowski, all set
[22:04] <czajkowski> lovely jubbly
[22:04] <czajkowski> oi oi ring ring
[22:06] <czajkowski> jono: you gone after cake ?
[22:17] <czajkowski> um..
[22:22] <jono> czajkowski, sorry had a family thing crop up
[22:22] <jono> coming in two mins
[22:22] <czajkowski> np
[22:23] <czajkowski> okie dokie
[22:23] <jono> sorry czajkowski
[22:23] <czajkowski> tis grand just wondered if you'd fallen over or something,lets not give laura heart failure shall we :)
[22:23] <jono> haha
[22:48] <czajkowski> jono: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/579833
[22:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 579833 in loco-directory "On team profile page, add flickr stream (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,In progress]
[22:54] <jono> czajkowski, ahhh cool :-)
[22:54] <czajkowski> jono: added you to the bug
[22:55] <czajkowski> :)
[22:55] <jono> thanks
[22:58] <czajkowski> np
[22:58] <czajkowski> right time for some sleep
[22:58] <czajkowski> toodles
[22:58] <czajkowski> dont work too hard :)


[09:39] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [990635] Sans serif cyrrilic font in kubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 is bad @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/990635 (by Kirill Bogdanenko)
[10:58] <Os_Maleus> anybody using here kmail and knowing how to change the "User-Agent"-entry there?
[10:58] <Os_Maleus> found a description that says the following: "Select Settings | Configure KMail ... Composer ... Headers tab ... Click on New ... Type the header's name in the Name: field ... To overwrite the "User-Agent:" header, type "User-Agent", for example ... Type the desired value in the Value: field ... Click OK"
[10:59] <Os_Maleus> but if I follow it, closing the window for the settings over "Apply" and "OK", the changes are in fact not taken over.
[10:59] <Os_Maleus> can somebody help me with that?
[11:16] <snele> hi guys. here is one wish for precise: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/+bug/1019765
[11:16] <snele> :)
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:58] <shadeslayer> hmm .. can't you run syncpackage with a PPA as a target?
[12:58] <shadeslayer> I remember this being a feature at some point
[14:01] <Riddell> akademy pics including kubuntu photo http://blogs.kde.org/node/4583


[07:54] <ppisati> moin
[09:09] <apw> moin
[09:09] <smb> morning
[09:16] <cking> mornin
[09:16] <cking> nggg, mumble fail
[09:23] <diwic> I'm trying to run fdr editconfigs on gomeisa, but it fails due to a missing ncurses-devel package; what should I do instead?
[09:24] <smb> diwic, You run that in a chroot?
[09:24] <diwic> smb, no, hmm, maybe I should?
[09:24] <smb> diwic, more likely you will have ncurses in there
[09:33] <apw> diwic, and if we don't have it let me know
[09:33] <diwic> apw, it worked in the precise-amd64 chroot, thansk
[09:35] <apw> diwic, great
[09:53] <ogra_> ppisati, did you see my PM last night ?
[10:35] <xnox> Hello all =) is it just me or there is no: overlayfs, aufs, unionfs on the linux-nexus7 kernels ?! Can we enable them please =)))))
[10:36] <ogra_> heh, fun
[12:14]  * apw has a bad kernel panopoly day
[12:50] <tseliot> apw: can you help with a little read-writer locks doubt, please?
[12:50] <tseliot> *reader-writer
[12:55] <tseliot> apw: I'm trying to replace rcu_read_lock/unlock with read_lock/unlock since the rcu calls are GPL_ONLY
[12:56] <tseliot> apw: so, I was wondering if something like this could work (I don't have the hardware to test it): http://paste.ubuntu.com/5595857/
[13:13] <apw> tseliot, i am unsure if you need the rmb as as the read_lock is a full barrier i believe
[13:13] <apw> tseliot, but it seems workable in concept.  performance may suck of course
[13:16] <apw> tseliot, of course ... i should say ... you need to make the current write side locking also take this new lock in write mode
[13:16] <apw> else you have no locking at all :)
[13:17] <apw> this wholel _GPL thing is a daft fabrication
[13:53] <bjf> apw, overlayfs patch for quantal?
[13:54] <apw> bjf, yes sitting here waiting to send ... doh
[13:55] <apw> i am all out of sync following the 10 crashes i have had this morning
[14:02]  * ppisati is updating his laptop to R: Goodbye Cruel World!
[14:02] <apw> ppisati, did not work out well for me
[14:02]  * apw runs a Q kernel on it
[14:02] <ppisati> DOH
[14:02] <apw> its that bad
[14:02] <apw> (for me)
[14:02] <ppisati> just started the do-release-upgrade thing
[14:02] <ppisati> ok, i'll use a Q kernel on it
[14:02] <apw> good luck with that, i have a gm45 and it is fucked
[14:10] <tseliot> apw: I don't think there's any write_lock in the code. I had to introduce rcu_read_lock() (following the example of some open drivers) because upstream broke the API. I'm wondering how it may impact performance in the broadcom wireless driver...
[14:10] <tseliot> s/impact/affect/
[14:11] <apw> then who are you locking against if there is no other rcu in the thing
[14:11] <apw> is it in the driver model somewhere, if so it might work sort of
[14:11] <apw> but ... hmmm is all i can say
[14:12] <tseliot> apw: so, this is my original patch for linux 3.8: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5596010/
[14:13] <apw> well then you must be interlocking with something else in the core which is handling the write locking
[14:14] <apw> essentially you are in a hole with no spade at this point as you should be using the same locking as they are, else you are wasting your time
[14:14] <apw> but you can't because it is not exported.
[14:14] <apw> you locking there i don't think does anything
[14:14] <apw> if it is not interlocked with the other side
[14:15]  * henrix -> late lunch
[14:16] <tseliot> apw: hmm... I see what you mean
[14:16] <apw> tseliot, as long as you have the rcu_dereference, you can probabally get away with it int he common case, because read_lock_rcu is a bit of a noop in a lot of cases
[14:16] <apw> (when preempt is off)
[14:18] <apw> but if they are exporting the 80211 interfaces for use by non-gpl code, but those rely on GPL only locking ... it isn't really exporte
[14:18] <tseliot> apw: are you suggesting that I get rid of the lock/unlock and that I simply use my local equivalent for rcu_dereference?
[14:19] <apw> i am suggesting that to do that would be utterly wrong for so many reasons, but it might just about work
[14:20] <apw> tseliot, what is not exported that you need
[14:23] <tseliot> apw: I guess rcu_dereference is not GPL only, maybe only rcu_read_unlock and rcu_read_lock are
[14:23] <apw> tseliot, they only are in some versions of rcu i think
[14:23] <apw> only GPL only i think if we are using CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU
[14:24] <apw> debian.master/config/i386/config.common.i386:# CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU is not set
[14:24] <apw> debian.master/config/amd64/config.common.amd64:# CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU is not set
[14:24] <apw> which it isn't on our default kernels
[14:24] <tseliot> apw: right now my original patch doesn't fail in Ubuntu but some developers on Arch Linux and another distro I can't recall are complaining about the GPL only issue
[14:24] <tseliot> that would explain it
[14:24] <apw> ahh then that makes sense
[14:25] <apw> i think overall there is an issue with a core primative like rcu being gpl only
[14:25] <apw> it really doesn't make sense in a fair world
[14:25]  * tseliot nods
[14:26] <tseliot> apw: but how can it be that they're exported as GPL only if that config is enabled?
[14:27] <apw> becasue it is only __rcu_read_lock which is GPL only exported, and there are two version
[14:27] <apw> one version for PREMPT on and one for PREMEPT off
[14:27] <apw> the one for PREEMPT off is an inline with nothing much in it and is not exported at all
[14:27] <apw> and therefore has no way to limit it
[14:27] <tseliot> aah, I see now
[14:28] <apw> the stupidity is you can (as far as i can see) take the code out of the middle of the function and inline it
[14:28] <apw> into the code you have which is GPL (gpl with gpl is ok) and then use it from your proprietry code
[14:28] <apw> as you are effectivly doing with rcu_dereference
[14:29] <tseliot> right
[14:30] <apw> it is also not clear it is not possible to randomly patch the kernel
[14:31] <apw> to add a local_rcu_lock() function which is exported non-gpl which literally does rcu_lock_ ... its a farse
[14:32] <tseliot> heh
[14:32] <tseliot> do we have a kernel flavour with CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU enabled?
[14:32] <tseliot> or shall I just forget about it?
[14:34] <apw> not that this driver would talk to as far as i know
[14:35] <apw> i'll ask about it as well
[14:35] <ppisati> back in 20
[14:36] <tseliot> apw: otherwise I'll just copy & paste the code if CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU is defined
[14:37] <apw> its hard to see how that is illegal dispite it being utterly not what they want :)
[14:38] <tseliot> :D
[14:40] <tseliot> it makes me wanna do it just because of that ;)
[14:47] <apw> tseliot, something to find and extract the code you need from the kernel source :)
[14:55] <tseliot> :)
[15:33] <ogra_> xnox, ppisati might be intrested in getting aufs/overlayfs into the nx7 kernel  :)
[15:33] <xnox> ogra_: i just want sensible sbuild ;-)
[15:34] <ogra_> well, the android source we have doesnt include either, needs porting work first
[15:35] <ogra_> and if we possibly play with overlays for the upgrade procedure, it will be needed i guess
[15:35] <xnox> ogra_: how hard can it be? I thought android kernel doesn't care much about fs stack (as in doing / changing it extensively)
[15:35] <ogra_> not sure what stgraber's exact plans are but it would definitely be helpful to have it for different test scenarios
[15:37] <stgraber> so far I'm avoiding the use of an actual overlay filesystem because we can't be sure we'll have one in the kernel, but I certainly wouldn't mind having one ;)
[15:53] <ppisati> xnox: open a lp bug please
[15:54] <ppisati> xnox: i'm rushing out now
[15:54] <xnox> psivaa: ok.
[15:54] <psivaa> ppisati: ^ :)
[15:56] <xnox> psivaa: sorry.
[15:56] <xnox> ppisati: ack. it will be bug 1076317
[15:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1076317 in ubuntu-nexus7 "please add aufs/overlayfs/unionfs support to android based kernels" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076317
[15:56] <psivaa> xnox: np
[15:56] <ppisati> xnox: nice
[15:57]  * ppisati rushes out for some early workout
[16:49] <cking> jsalisbury, i've forwarded you some background info and a possible workaround
[16:49] <jsalisbury> cking, awesome, thanks, Colin!
[16:50] <cking> if we can get the ACPI tables though, I can check out my hypothesis, but there is no harm in spinning them a test kernel
[16:50] <jsalisbury> cking, cool, thanks
[17:24] <ogasawara> bjf: next week is SRU verification week right?
[17:24] <bjf> ogasawara, it's regression testing week
[17:25] <ogasawara> bjf: ah, thanks.  can you point me to the calendar I should follow?
[17:25] <bjf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseInterlock
[17:25] <ogasawara> bjf: thanks
[18:19]  * cking ~~-> catches the weekend
[18:22]  * henrix follows


[00:01] <pheeror> no thanks
[00:01] <molgrum> :)
[00:02] <pheeror> (:
[00:17] <teamcobra> does intrepid make a nice xen dom0?
[00:23] <teamcobra> or does it support running as a dom0 at all?
[00:32] <ASULutzy> Sure it's been asked 100 times today, but not in the MotD so... When is alpha 2? :)
[00:33] <afflux> ASULutzy: the images are still being tested
[00:34] <ASULutzy> afflux: Thanks
[00:34] <afflux> ASULutzy: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-July/000449.html -- I think it still has about 12 hours ;)
[00:34] <ASULutzy> afflux: Hmmm ok, and when it is ready, will it be available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/ ?
[00:34] <afflux> I think so
[00:42] <luis> ...hello :)
[00:42] <luis> I need help to install drivers for a genius webcam
[02:32] <atma__> Any one know why i am getting a white screen after i login through gdm ?
[02:33] <atma__> ..... very talkative i see
[02:33] <RAOF> atma__: Because your 3d drivers aren't working, and you're running compiz.
[02:35] <atma__> RAOF: i am running on a compaq presario c500 i don't think there is any 3d drivers, also i tried removing compiz but same problem
[02:36] <RAOF> Can you expand on "white screen"?  Do you have a mouse?  Can you log in in "failsafe" mode?
[02:37] <atma__> RAOF: failsafe works, yes i have a mouse
[02:37] <RAOF> Right.  So, your 3d drivers are broken, and compiz is loading.
[02:37] <atma__> RAOF: ok i will try that out but one more issue
[02:39] <atma__> RAOF: that was on my presario machine but on my asus f9sg i am getting real ugly responce. Just as we were speaking i was updating on the asus box and then i just heard "bewwwwwwww" and red and black screen any ideas on that one ? its like the linux red screen of death
[02:40] <RAOF> No idea.  Also, linux doesn't have any equivalent to the blue-screen; X is divorced from the kernel, so it's not actually possible :)
[02:41] <atma__> RAOF: thats soooo weird i just got that f'ed up screen then i reboot and now boots up ? hella strange... * I love the development versions makes me feel like i am on windoze :)
[02:41] <atma__> lol
[02:42] <WelshDragon> Quick Q...How do i go about skipping the password check for gksudo? I've already set it up for sudo but it doesn't work for gksudo.
[02:43] <atma__> WelshDragon: i am under the impression that if you skip it with sudo you can run anything from there as root sudo -i
[02:43] <daekdroom> RAOF There's black screen of death. X hang up :p
[02:44] <WelshDragon> What i mean is...If i type sudo <cmd> It'll never ask me for a password...But if an application is launched with gksudo instead of sudo it's still asking me...Can't figure out how to stop it asking.
[02:45] <atma__> daekdroom: the point that RAOF was making that the BSOD kills your computer but in linux X and system are not one
[02:45] <RAOF> Actually, I what I meant was "we can't implement something as useful as the BSOD".
[02:45] <atma__> Lmfao
[02:46] <atma__> RAOF: leave it up to me i will create the first BSOD for linux :)
[02:46] <atma__> ok RAOF, thanks for your help much appreciated i am going to go play on new 8.10 YAY!!
[02:47] <daekdroom> atma__, the only way to get out of X hang up is ssh/remote access or reset. Not everyone uses ssh
[02:48] <atma__> daekdroom: well if you programed a daemon that catched the keys pressed and when they get the combination of alt+ctrl+del then it takes you to tty1 console then no :P
[02:48] <atma__> forgive me but i am being stupid, please excuse me and thanks again RAOF ;)
[02:49] <daekdroom> atma__, Really. X hang up doesn't let you switch to tty1.
[02:49] <RAOF> And kernel panic won't let you SSH, either.
[02:49] <daekdroom> Kernel panic is something we can call black-and-white line of death
[02:50] <atma__> lol
[02:56] <taku> hey there :)
[02:57] <taku> could anyone tell me if, using intrepid alpha1, he(she) manages to get an ipw2200 wifi card working ?
[02:58] <daekdroom> *it
[02:58] <taku> ?
[03:13] <krsnadasa> RAOF: hey (atma) ok i am on the asus machine now but how do i get compiz working ? i have a nvida 9300m on this machine
[03:14] <RAOF> You need to install the nvidia drivers.
[03:14] <RAOF> nvidia-glx-177 should work, I believe.
[03:15] <krsnadasa> RAOF: through envy?
[03:16] <RAOF> No.
[03:16] <RAOF> Why through envy?
[03:16] <RAOF> By installing the nvidia-glx-177 package.
[03:17] <krsnadasa> RAOF: from respiratory ?
[03:17] <RAOF> Yes.  Where else?
[03:18] <krsnadasa> i must admit you are ruff but sure the hell to the point ;) i like it
[03:19] <krsnadasa> and once again thank you
[03:27] <krsnadasa> RAOF: ummm i got the glx nvidia drivers but how do i install them ? i ran nvidia-xconf and then restarted X and the resoultion got messed up and when i click nvidia settings it says i havent installed it right ?
[03:28] <RAOF> You may wish to restart, but simply installing the 'nvidia-glx-177' package and running 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' worked for me.
[03:28] <RAOF> You may also need to install the linux-headers package, now that I think of it.
[03:28] <krsnadasa> i have the headers they come by default
[03:29] <krsnadasa> maybe i need to restart
[03:29] <krsnadasa> be back in a little
[03:38] <krsnadasa> RAOF: restart is magic ;) thanks once again. Do you know how to change default server/channel in xchat or know of better irc client ?
[03:51] <teethdood> alpha2 is out!
[03:52] <teethdood> I guess it's time for me to make the jump
[03:53] <jonpackard> teethdood: woot! thanks for the heads up!
[03:53]  * Hobbsee raises an eyebrow
[03:53] <Hobbsee> teethdood: citation needed.
[03:54] <teethdood> Hobbsee: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/
[03:54] <Hobbsee> it's not on ubuntu-devel-announce yet
[03:54] <Hobbsee> which is when it's officially released.
[03:55] <jonpackard> hmm still no desktop image.. no biggie but weren't they planning to release one?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> they're not working
[03:55] <teethdood> Hobbsee: why can't we get a jump on it? :P if it's there it's out
[03:55] <jonpackard> hehe.. this brings me back to the days of breezy before live install images =D
[03:56] <Hobbsee> because they may remove it from there, if they find something major.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> and also, because the mirrors are all trying to get it soon too
[03:56] <Hobbsee> the latter being more likely
[03:57] <teethdood> I'll do the upgrade path, not gonna be pretty but I doubt many will jump on it
[04:03] <RAOF> There it goes, now on the ML.
[04:12] <maco> when can we expect alpha 2 desktop isos?
[04:13] <maco> i dont want to install until at least alpha 3, but playing with live cds sounds fun
[04:20] <teethdood> hardy broke my tv tuner, so I want to try intrepid asap...in other words, tonight
[04:51] <teamcobra> heh, I would put it on my server, but no thanks ;)
[04:51] <teamcobra> I did w/ hardy alpha and thugged it out like a champ though ;)
[04:52] <h3sp4wn> hardy was useless on my xen vserver
[04:52] <teamcobra> yeah, I don't think I'm going to go w/ xen on this box, kvm instead
[04:52] <h3sp4wn> and the version of ocaml in hardy is(was) borked
[04:52] <teamcobra> xen has given me _headaches_ for the past 2 days, and I've set it up fine on older hardware
[04:53] <h3sp4wn> This is remote - slicehost they are pretty good
[04:53] <teamcobra> yeah, I pulled my colo box for the weekend, redoing everything on it
[04:53] <h3sp4wn> Is kvm really mature enough for that either I dunno
[04:54] <teamcobra> (mainly to take advantage of vm's)
[04:54] <h3sp4wn> I would use Solaris Express community edition given half a chance
[04:54] <teamcobra> prob w/ sxce + nexenta is the hardware support
[04:55] <h3sp4wn> All my hardware at home is supported
[04:55] <teamcobra> nexenta's new alpha is based on hardy for userland, opensolaris kernel w/ zfs... but it doesn't work w/ the sata controller on my motherboard
[04:55] <teamcobra> ahhhh, then it'd be a decent server choice, just for the zfs space advantage... but zfs needs an extra 1gb of ram just for overhead
[04:56] <h3sp4wn> I have 4gb ram in the box that I use as a home server
[04:56] <teamcobra> this box is a phenom (2.2ghz on each core, forgot the model), 8gb ram, 2.5tb hd space
[04:56] <teamcobra> if you're using a raid, zfs is sweet... but really, I don't care for solaris too much, and they really want to come out w/ a linux distro killer
[04:56] <h3sp4wn> So why not pick up a decent sata controller
[04:57] <teamcobra> yeah, but if I'm going to do that, why not go all the way, buy a hw raid controller, and install proxmox ve ;p
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> I have 2 zpools one for root and one for storage - all fine
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> linux stuff running under xen perfect
[04:57] <teamcobra> anyway, to the previous point... they want to make a linux distro killer, but it'll never happen, have you tried using, for example, glassfish?
[04:58] <teamcobra> the interface is half decent, the reliability kinda sucks (large applications come up every other server start, etc)
[04:58] <h3sp4wn> Thats a tech demo that is all - Most of the stupid stuff gnome does gets reverted by Sun which is useful
[04:58] <teamcobra> and in general, sun's stuff is kinda half-assed ;p
[04:59] <teamcobra> I tried _hard_ to like glassfish, and get it to play nice
[05:00] <teamcobra> but tomcat proved to be 100% rock-solid
[05:04] <teamcobra> does kvm work w/ solaris?
[05:04] <h3sp4wn> I would say the opposite of the half-assed comment really - sometimes its slightly more cumbersome for the administrator to do stuff but the solaris kernel is still being copied from by linux in a half-assed way even now (current examples CFS, Containers, Group Scheduling that I can think of) there is nothing like zfs or dtrace
[05:05] <teethdood> <--taking the upgrade plunge, prepared for horrific death. Good luck to me
[05:05] <teamcobra> but then there's zones..... since solaris doesn't have a true alternative to kvm (unless you pay for a commercial license of VBox)
[05:05] <teamcobra> good luck teeth
[05:05] <teethdood> thanks teamcobra
[05:06] <teamcobra> and xen in opensolaris isn't really that great (can't comment about the commercial version), it kinda bites
[05:06] <teamcobra> zfs is _sweet_, but really, distributed fs's are the future
[05:07] <teamcobra> and zfs is tied to the physical box
[05:07] <teethdood> zfs allows for networked drives no?
[05:07] <teamcobra> yea, and I believe lustre uses it
[05:08] <teamcobra> but w/ linux, not quite sure exactly how they have their setup running
[05:08] <teamcobra> I do know that it is zfs + linux
[05:10] <teethdood> I have 10+ desktops in my office with 500GB HD each, doing nothing but booting the OS up. Such a waste of space. ZFS in the kernel would be awesome
[05:11] <teamcobra> *shrug,* I'm just wary of using too much Sun stuff (like being dependent on their os) in my server environment... I'm sure their commercial vers of Solaris run nicely on all sun hardware, but that's a pretty big dependency, and the horrible usability of OpenSolaris is like the first hit of (shitty) smack
[05:11] <teamcobra> teeth: yeah, but zfs's overhead is BAD
[05:12] <teamcobra> I mean, the linux community has some of the best engineers in the world
[05:12] <teamcobra> I've seen a few distributed fs
[05:12] <teamcobra> and while they're not in use now as much as zfs, they don't take 1gb of ram just for fs activities ;p
[05:13] <teamcobra> (it doesn't _require_ it, but it won't outperform a standard raid unless you feed it properly)
[05:13] <tritium> teamcobra: I'm not sure how many of them have engineering degrees
[05:13] <teamcobra> nexenta is as good of a step in the right direction that opensolaris can hope for
[05:14] <teamcobra> tritium, but does the piece of paper really matter _that_ much?
[05:14] <tritium> yes
[05:14] <teamcobra> and I'm sure sun employs its fair share of non-phd's
[05:15] <teamcobra> trit: as opposed to someone who taught themselves how to code, knows his field by heart because he's immersed himself in it?
[05:15]  * nickrud thinks tritium is an engineer ;P
[05:15] <tritium> coding != engineering
[05:15] <teamcobra> tritium, not always, no
[05:15] <tritium> nickrud would be correct ;)
[05:16] <teamcobra> but the implementation matters as much as the idea, and it
[05:17] <teamcobra> also isn't impossible for someone to learn by all of the example out there..... ex: some 15-year old kid is out there somewhere reading kernel-devel lists and teaching himself the ins and outs of the kernel and in general, best practices for a _lot_ of different situations
[05:17] <teethdood> some ass of a neighbor is lighting up fireworks like the 4th of July, making my dog go nuts
[05:17] <tritium> teamcobra: that's still not engineering.  That's coding.
[05:18] <tritium> Engineering is based on first principles.
[05:20] <teamcobra> and those principles are documented and out there for someone to teach themselves
[05:21] <tritium> Yes, one could teach themselves engineering.  Coding is still not engineering.
[05:21] <teamcobra> tritium, the first example was a bad one
[05:21] <tritium> Nor is obtaining an MSCE, or equivalent.
[05:22] <teamcobra> obviously, as engineering is the first stage, before the first line of code is (or should be) written
[05:22] <tritium> *sigh*
[05:24] <teamcobra> the only point that I wanted to make is that while a large corporation can hire a ton of very bright folks with all of the right credentials on paper, it is still possible for a large group of very dedicated people to outperform them, even though on average, the number of degrees in the latter crowd may be less. nothing more, nothing less
[05:24] <tritium> I agree with that, teamcobra.  :)
[05:25] <teamcobra> and OpenSolaris's terrible end-user experience (and by end-user, I mean admin, as that's it's target) is proof ;p
[05:25] <tritium> heh
[05:25] <teamcobra> there's _loads_ of geniuses @ sun ;p
[05:26] <teamcobra> but either it's an intentional crippling (which I really don't think is the case... or at least hope not), or just plain not eating their dogfood ;p
[05:28]  * teamcobra has been experimenting w/ different distros/os'es all week and making plenty of mental notes ;p ;p
[05:30] <teethdood> I almost jumped ship to fedora cuz of my stupid tv tuner...but intrepid is gonna solve all that...in about 2 hours!
[05:31] <teamcobra> teeth: bust out kernelcheck, and build a custom kernel
[05:31] <teamcobra> w/ the drivers you need
[05:31] <teamcobra> I only recommend kernelcheck because it's impossible to screw up ;)
[05:32] <tritium> teamcobra: which tuner?
[05:32] <teethdood> teamcobra: I did, and initramfs was giving me fits
[05:32] <gluer> hi, is there an update to get nvidia working?
[05:32] <teamcobra> teeth: woah, it should the proper initramfs entries upon installing the kernel-image package in dpkg
[05:32] <teamcobra> teethdood, what tuner?
[05:33] <teethdood> teamcobra: PCTV HD pro stick, 800e I think. My fault for not checking the compat list first
[05:33] <teamcobra> (dpkg calls mkinitramfs before updating grub)
[05:33] <tritium> Ah, USB?
[05:34] <teethdood> tritium: yeah, laptop, so had to do usb
[05:34] <tritium> Cool.
[05:36] <teethdood> I'm assuming intrepid alpha2 here uses 2.6.25+ so I can build a module for it. 2.6.24 didn't play nice
[05:36] <maco> 2.6.26 actually
[05:39] <teethdood> ah nice :)
[05:41] <teamcobra> anyone here really get their hands dirty w/ kvm networking?
[06:05] <Jordan_U> Just curious, is the reason why there is no Desktop CD for Alpha 2 because there was trouble getting the image under 700 meg?
[06:07] <maco> Jordan_U: thats what it says online...that its oversize
[06:07] <maco> dont know what page
[06:07] <maco> i was looking over crimsun's shoulder
[06:53] <emma> Hi Amaranth
[06:53] <emma> :)
[06:53] <Amaranth> hi
[07:06] <Jordan_U> The alternate install CD uses parted rather than fdisk, correct?
[09:04] <krsnadasa> can some one help i am having problems with iwl4965
[09:06] <krsnadasa> anyone?
[09:06] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: for hardy?
[09:06] <krsnadasa> no ibex 8.10
[09:07] <gnomefreak> most likely its due to borked kernel
[09:08] <krsnadasa> borked?
[09:08] <gnomefreak> once kernel gets fixed maybe than try it. Honestly its not smart using ibex yet unless you are a developer and even than most still running chroots
[09:08] <gnomefreak> borked == broken
[09:09] <krsnadasa> well it was working till i tried to upgrade compat-wireless but can't seem to get it working again
[09:10] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: if you find something that doesnt work please file a bug report on it since there isnt anything we can do to fix drivers until beta, Its a vvery very very bad idea to add hacks to your intrepid system since the fix once in repos has a big chance of getting caught up in you hack
[09:11] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: does it work if you remove compat-wireless?
[09:12] <krsnadasa> gnomefreak: Error inserting iwlcore : Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[09:12] <krsnadasa> and same error for iwl4965
[09:14] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: your better off filing a bug.
[09:15] <krsnadasa> that makes me feel like i am giving them a problem i they don't need because it is of my doing
[09:16] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: what did you do to cause this?
[09:16] <gnomefreak> did you build your own kernel? do you use the kernel from repos
[09:16] <krsnadasa> repos
[09:16] <gnomefreak> 04:12 <       krsnadasa > gnomefreak: Error inserting iwlcore : Unknown symbol  in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) <<< tells me its a kernel module issue
[09:17] <krsnadasa> yea thats what it is but how do i fix it ?
[09:17] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: if you didnt install outside packages or build your own FILE A BUG
[09:18] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: have to fix the parameters in the kernel/kernel modules and rebuild if your asking how to fix it your not gonna beable to fiz or build your own kernel with the fix in it
[09:19] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: kernel is very tempermental and not very easy unless you have done it a few times before.
[09:19] <krsnadasa> i have compiled multible kernels on debian and ubuntu
[09:20] <krsnadasa> but when it comes to modules i get a little lost because i havent used linux in 6 years now and back in the day it was bad to build with modules
[09:20] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: than fix it, but beware your kernel may not work nor get updates if you dont do it right.
[09:21] <krsnadasa> ok i was hoping to find someone with a little more knowledge but thanks any way ;)
[09:22] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: try your hand but i would back up everything. I dont have all day to help with kernel issues today, most of our kernel guys will not be here today at all or tomorrow. if you expect it to get fixed than file a bug or they are likely not gonna see the issue
[09:22] <krsnadasa> yea thanks i removed the headers and reinstalled them and i am going to see if that works
[09:23] <krsnadasa> do you happen to know if there is some magic command that say "install the modules again" or is that done when i do a make install with compat wireless ?
[09:25] <krsnadasa> iwl4965: Unknown symbol iwl_rxq_stop
[09:27] <krsnadasa> gnomefreak: i guess that is a no
[11:13] <gnomefreak> ok who is using intrepid + nvidia or without nvidia? i need test done on something so i can find out what is causing sound to play
[11:28] <th1> Hi, I read the announcement from June 28 of Intrepid Alpha 1, and the link http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/alpha-1/ is broken (also the ubuntu and xubuntu links), where are the images??
[11:29] <gnomefreak> th1: go for alpha 2
[11:29] <th1> ah.. maybe update the announcemnet pages? ;)
[11:29] <gnomefreak> might have released a1 links with a2 links
[11:29] <gnomefreak> th1: what page?
[11:30] <th1> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha1 and others that link to it
[11:30] <th1> also front page of kubuntu.org
[11:30] <gnomefreak> give me a minute
[11:31] <th1> ok, downloading alpha 2 meanwhile ;)
[11:31] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview
[11:31] <gnomefreak> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-2/
[11:32] <gnomefreak> i cant edit kubuntu.org
[11:34] <gnomefreak> i cant edit taht page either since the ubuntu one is documents team pages and kubntu has own editers for thier page since its not a wiki. only wikis everyone can edit. the link fails because alpha 2 is released more than likely (we have had server trouble in past so maybe this is a way to help it)
[11:57] <Bernardo> hi
[11:59] <gnomefreak> hi
[12:07] <molgrum> any time estimate when the nvidia drivers will be fixed?
[12:12] <gnomefreak> molgrum: they are
[12:12] <gnomefreak> molgrum: you will have to remake your xorg.conf
[12:13] <molgrum> on x86_64 even?
[12:13] <gnomefreak> unless newest update today fixed that (yesterday or today) but i got it today
[12:13] <gnomefreak> molgrum: dont know didnt ask
[12:13] <molgrum> hmm
[12:13] <gnomefreak> im assuming its for all archs
[12:13] <molgrum> alright.. what should i do in xorg.conf?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> molgrum: re make it onc eyou install nvidia-glx-xxx replacing xx with the rigth drivers you will lose X and it will tell you to run nvidia-config IIRC
[12:16] <molgrum> i guess i should uninstall nvidia-glx-new and install nvidia-177?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> molgrum: what card do you have?
[12:16] <molgrum> 8800gts
[12:16] <gnomefreak> and its nvidia-glx-177
[12:16] <molgrum> hmm
[12:17] <molgrum> alright, so out goes nvidia-glx-new then?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> it will remove nvidia-glx-new for you. if you have X packages held back install them
[12:17] <molgrum> ah ok
[12:17] <gnomefreak> molgrum: yes
[12:17] <gnomefreak> you need new X with new nvidia
[12:17] <molgrum> i can't install some x packages though, says i need to do a "partial dist upgrade" and fails
[12:17] <gnomefreak> if held back run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:17] <molgrum> ok
[12:17] <gnomefreak> molgrum: it should remove a few X packages
[12:18] <gnomefreak> install alot of them and it will remove nvidia-glx-new
[12:18] <gnomefreak> if not done already
[12:18] <molgrum> is this safe? :)
[12:18] <molgrum> i'm doing it now
[12:18] <molgrum> can't be any worse than it is though, i was already preparing to go back to hardy anyway
[12:19] <gnomefreak> molgrum: its safe for me only because i know what im doing
[12:19] <gnomefreak> molgrum: if you have to ask is it safe? than you should be using hardy not intrepid
[12:20] <gnomefreak> and you will see why in a few minutes
[12:20] <molgrum> guess so
[12:23] <marijus> why does compiz fail if i start it with "compiz --replace" and it runs if i start it with "LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 compiz --replace" ?
[12:23] <marijus> intel i810 gfx driver
[12:23] <gnomefreak> marijus: hardy?
[12:23] <marijus> intrepid
[12:24] <gnomefreak> marijus: than not sure maybe ask monday when our compiz, desktop guys are here
[12:25] <gnomefreak> there are 2 things i can think of but neither have been fixed yet and i cant remember one of the packages but mesa maybe screwing it up
[12:26] <marijus> it seems like compiz trying to run in direct rendering mode but - sadly - fails...
[12:27] <gnomefreak> marijus: i no loger build desktop effects packages i dropped out of my team and changed ownership to someone else from the desktop-effects team
[12:28] <gnomefreak> now its handled by desktop developers
[12:30] <gnomefreak> be back a bit later im helping someone with a problem and it may take a while i hate weekends and phones turned on on weekends
[12:31] <marijus> ;-)
[13:47] <hmuller> Accidentally disconnected, therefore did not see response if one was sent regarding previous question
[13:47] <hmuller> disregard, that was for a different channel
[15:05] <Hobbsee> RAOF: ping?
[15:05] <Chepra> Hello, i am currently trying to uprade to intrepid
[15:05] <Chepra> But getting this error in /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log.
[15:06] <Chepra> http://rafb.net/p/P14cSy22.html
[15:06] <Chepra> Shall i remove nvidia-glx-new myself?
[16:09] <LSD|Ninja> weren't desktop CDs supposed to happen with A2?
[17:33] <SebNaitsabes> what new features for next Ubuntu?
[18:11] <ricsi-pontaz> hello
[18:12] <ricsi-pontaz> i searching an ibex photo to my Intrepid Ibex Wallpapper conception. But i don't found any free pictures. Can somebody help me?
[18:16] <teamcobra> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=ibex&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2   <--there's some ibex's :D
[18:18] <bjwebb> hello
[18:18] <bjwebb> i hope this is the right place for this
[18:18] <bjwebb> is there a way to install just a few packages from ibex?
[18:19] <teamcobra> bj: possibly, but you might back yourself into a dependency problem
[18:20] <ricsi-pontaz> ok teamcobra, but this pictures aren't free. and this is a lincese problem i think, what do you think?
[18:21] <teamcobra> right, you'd have to search deeper in regard to each one
[18:21] <teamcobra> hang on, lemme check something else
[18:24] <teamcobra> ricsi-pontaz, http://search.creativecommons.org , be sure to check both checkboxes, and check the flickr tab after you search for "ibex" :D
[18:24] <teamcobra> I found some cool ones, and they won't be a license problem... too bad I can't give you my search results in a link, but that's how their site is :p
[18:26] <LSD|Ninja> How do you change what runlevel the system boots into? There doiesn;t seem to be an inittab anymore...
[18:27] <ricsi-pontaz> teamcobra thank you very much! ;)
[18:27] <teamcobra> http://flickr.com/photos/tyrian123/507175569/    <---- ricso, that is a NICE photo to start with ;)
[18:27] <tritium> LSD|Ninja: ubuntu/debian only use runlevels 1 and 2.
[18:27] <teamcobra> no problem :D
[18:27] <tritium> LSD|Ninja: 1 is single-user (recovery) mode, so you're in 2.
[18:27] <LSD|Ninja> tritium: how else do you temporarily bypass gdm to upgrade a system with a broken one then?
[18:27] <ricsi-pontaz> bye
[18:28] <tritium> LSD|Ninja: disable gdm
[18:28] <LSD|Ninja> tritium: and how is that achieved?
[18:28] <tritium> LSD|Ninja: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[18:29] <tritium> Use the update-rc.d method
[18:56] <atlas95> hello
[18:56] <atlas95> PAE is actived in intrepid generic kernel??
[18:59] <catweazle> atlas95: no
[19:00] <catweazle> the Pentium M CPU with 400fsb not supporting PAE
[19:01] <catweazle> and it is in many newer laptops
[19:46] <LSD|Ninja> Bah, greeter still crashes - even after a reformat+reinstall
[20:25] <ASULutzy1> Hmmm, any idea why when I try and enable compiz my screen goes white (mouse still moves, just everything else is white) I have an Intel x3100 (i965) using the intel driver. I'll get a pastebin of logs now...
[20:29] <ASULutzy1> Xorg.0.log = http://paste.ubuntu.com/26938/ dmesg | tail has nothing useful, and .xsession-errors = http://paste.ubuntu.com/26939/ again enabling compiz is making the entire screen go white while using an Intel x3100(i965) with intel driver. Currently using Intrepid alpha 2 with all current updates/upgrades
[20:36] <LSD|Ninja> ASULutzy1: you can boot into GNOME without any screen corruption or greeter BS?
[20:39] <ASULutzy1> LSD|Ninja: Sorry was making a forum post about it. Yes I can login to gnome just fine, I'm currently booted into Gnome and everything is peachy, but if I enable compiz by clicking System -> preferences -> appearence, etc, the whole screen goes white
[20:51] <teamcobra> ASU, fwiw, I was setting up a bunch of different distros on a box w/ a radeon 3200hd, and I experienced the same thing in centos w/ fglrx when it ran inside of a xen kernel
[20:51] <teamcobra> it's an issue w/ compiz not working properly w/ the 3d driver (because of xen in the kernel, I believe). Intrepid uses a xen kernel by default
[20:53] <teamcobra> not the answer you wanted, but at least intrepid will force ati (and nvidia) to fix their drivers
[20:53] <teamcobra> nvidia's blob won't even build under xen without a patch made by Amaranth ;p
[20:54] <Amaranth> teamcobra: there are nvidia packages in multiverse
[20:54] <Amaranth> they'll be in restricted soon, if they aren't already
[20:54] <Amaranth> ASULutzy1: that's a known mesa bug, please don't file a bug against compiz for it
[20:54] <teamcobra> Amaranth: right, I was referring to just building the driver from nvidia's package, noting that both major video card makers need to fix the xen issues w/ their drivers on their end as well
[20:55] <Amaranth> teamcobra: my patch just made it disable all its xen code paths
[20:55] <teamcobra> and this is why closed source drivers stink ;p
[20:56] <LSD|Ninja> heh, there are a couple of places on one of my systems where I'd rather have the closed drivers
[20:56] <teamcobra> I mean, you can't really expect ati or nvidia to be looking ahead at different virtualization architectures and ensuring compatibility, for a while it seemed like ati didn't even test fglrx ;p ;p
[20:56] <teamcobra> LSD|Ninja, yeah, but you'd really rather have open drivers that do everything that the closed ones do
[20:56] <LSD|Ninja> teamcobra: meh, I don't really care one way or the other
[20:57] <teamcobra> LSD|Ninja, yeah, but you'd really rather have open drivers that do everything that the closed ones do
[20:57] <teamcobra> whoops
[20:57] <ASULutzy1> Sorry tweaking things up, but I don't have an ati card or an nvidia card, (on my desktop I do) but this is my laptop with an Intel integrated card
[20:57] <ASULutzy1> And it's a regression, because compiz did work in Intrepid alpha 1
[20:57] <Amaranth> ASULutzy1: that's a known mesa bug, please don't file a bug against compiz for it
[20:57] <LSD|Ninja> ath5k ****ing sucks and there's still no decent way to get 3D on nVidia and ATi without closed drivers
[20:58] <Amaranth> LSD|Ninja: r500 and older ati has _awesome_ open source support
[20:58] <ASULutzy1> Amaranth: Ok, I won't, but the folks who are in charge of mesa realize it's a newly introduced regression, correct?
[20:58] <Amaranth> Yes.
[20:58] <ASULutzy1> Amaranth: Thanks :)
[20:58] <LSD|Ninja> Amaranth: That wasn't in Ubuntu last I checked (which, admittedly, was a while ago)
[20:58] <Amaranth> Because we have a High bug targeted for alpha-3 with like 6 dupes :P
[20:59] <Amaranth> !info xserver-xorg-video-radeon intrepid
[20:59] <teamcobra> LSD|Ninja, I meant to say afterwards that open drivers won't break every time the kernel api changes ;)
[20:59] <Amaranth> LSD|Ninja: Right there :)
[21:00] <ASULutzy1> tell me about it, on my desktop I have an ATI 2900XT, in order to get my ASUS p5k, hardy heron, and my gfx card to all play nicely with 4 GB of ram I had to write my own startup script that rewrites /proc/mtrr... fglrx ftl ;)
[21:00] <LSD|Ninja> I do recall r300 working quite well the one time I tried it on FBSD. Not quite as well as I recalled fglrx working, but still better than I was expecting from an open source project
[21:01] <ASULutzy1> And it's not just an Ubuntu bug, same thing happened in OpenSuse 11, so I'm not sure if I should blame fglrx, or ASUS, I'm actually leaning towards ASUS, their memory remap in BIOS is probably very hackish ;)
[21:01] <Amaranth> LSD|Ninja: It's not as fast yet but it's there
[21:02] <teamcobra> on the plus side, ati's drivers won't suck forever
[21:02] <teamcobra> where nvidia's might suck for quite some time to come (go nouveau go!)
[21:12] <LSD|Ninja> Amaranth: Is that new for Intrepid or was it in Hardy too?
[21:12] <Amaranth> LSD|Ninja: r500 support? intrepid
[21:13] <LSD|Ninja> Does that encompass r300 as well?
[21:17] <teamcobra> wow, I am starting to _love_ kvm ;) now I have to fully grok the networking and I'll be set :D
[21:20] <sergiu> hello
[21:21] <teamcobra> hello sergiu
[21:22] <sergiu> teamcobra hi, do you know, what is the codename of the upcoming ubuntu? (I want to upgrade hardy to latest alpha )
[21:22] <sergiu> :D
[21:22] <teamcobra> intrepid :D
[21:22] <sergiu> and it's works? :\
[21:22] <sergiu> with repository
[21:22] <teamcobra> (short for Intrepid Ibex)
[21:22] <teamcobra> I believe so, that's how I upgraded before alpha1 isos came out
[21:23] <teamcobra> it is still alpha
[21:23] <sergiu> thanks
[21:38] <LSD|Ninja> why in gods name does intrepid try and output stuff through the PC speaker? >_<
[21:41] <teamcobra> LSD: heh, yet another new kernel module
[21:41] <teamcobra> pc-speaker-as-sound-card
[21:42] <teamcobra> saw that when rebuilding a new kernel for hardy a while back
[21:42] <LSD|Ninja> not that s**t again
[21:42] <LSD|Ninja> MS tried this 15 years ago.   I mean, it made some sort of sense back in 1994 when sound cards and CD-ROM drives were still relatively new but I don't think there is a consumer motherboard that doesn't run off the production line without some kind of onboard sound
[21:52] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja, Well it's nice just to have a system beep that doesn't require extra speakers
[21:54] <LSD|Ninja> OK, so blacklisting pcspkr didn't do the trick
[21:55] <Jordan_U> Is there a reason why compiz isn't working with the radeon driver, normally I would chock this up to the fact that were're still in alpha but a recent update in fedora 9 broke compiz as well
[21:56] <crdlb> Jordan_U: can you elaborate?
[21:59] <Jordan_U> crdlb, When I first installed fedora 9 compiz worked with the radeon driver, this is the first time it had worked with my card, when I updated I got the error "compiz.real (core) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing" from compiz and now I am getting the same error in intrepid ( though this is a fresh install so it has never worked in intrepid or any previous version of Ubuntu )
[22:00] <crdlb> so t_f_p is apparently broken for you
[22:00] <crdlb> do you have direct rendering?
[22:00] <Jordan_U> crdlb, Yes
[22:01] <crdlb> any relevant errors in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[22:02] <Jordan_U> crdlb, Not an error but interestingly it does say "(==) AIGLX enabled"
[22:06] <Jordan_U> crdlb, grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log gives only "(EE) Failed to load module "dri2" (module does not exist, 0)" which I assume is normal
[22:07] <crdlb> I would guess that intrepid is in some sort of transition
[22:08] <Jordan_U> crdlb, I would have assumed it was just that also but the same bug appeared in stable fedora9
[22:19] <teamcobra> Jordan: it's a mesa regression, and yes the devs are aware of it
[22:20] <teamcobra> wait nvm
[22:20] <teamcobra> sorry
[22:20] <teamcobra> going back to my hole and working, but that bug wasn't the same as the one from earlier
[22:34] <teethdood> well, intrepid upgrade hosed my system pretty good :) guess I'll wait awhile
[22:35] <teamcobra> ouch
[22:36] <jbroome> it's almost like intrepid is alpha software
[22:36] <teethdood> umm...alpha 2 to be precise
[22:37] <LSD|Ninja> ...
[22:38] <td123> jbroome: awesome joke
[22:45] <teethdood> the "joke" would've been funny had I bitched and moaned. Damn, I put a smiley in there for emphasis too
[22:46] <td123> teethdood: you're not talking to me right?
[22:47] <teethdood> no :P just saying to the wind


[01:26] <nixternal> anyone know if Riddell or anyone else for that matter has built the new KDE 4 alpha yet?
[01:28] <crimsun> when was it released?
[01:28] <nixternal> well it is on FTP
[01:28] <crimsun> I'd be surprised if he had built it en-route to UDS, but...
[01:28] <nixternal> ya
[01:29] <nixternal> the tarball has been up for a couple of days it seems, but when they do the official announcement I don't know
[01:29] <nixternal> I am having issues with it running in Xephyr now, my SVN build
[02:38] <nixternal> jdong: holla!
[02:39] <jdong> nixternal: hey :)
[02:39] <nixternal> why haven't you hooked up my forums account with some dev lovin' yet ;)
[02:39] <jdong> nixternal: oops, sorry, thought you didn't ask.
[02:39] <nixternal> everyone else has that cool stuff, but all I have is a cup full of stale coffee
[02:39] <jdong> I'll do that right now :)
[02:39] <nixternal> hahahaha
[02:40] <jdong> ok, I think that's how to do it....
[02:41] <jdong> nixternal: the tag is there; check that your loco mod privs still work
[02:41] <jdong> :D
[02:41] <jdong> it would be interesting to talk with kubuntuforums about merging....
[02:41] <nixternal> my mod privs look ok from here
[02:41] <jdong> when they started, it was under unamicable terms
[02:41] <nixternal> cool, thanks :)
[02:41] <nixternal> it all works
[02:42] <jdong> i.e. they did not feel content with the way Kubuntu was handled on Ubuntuforums and didn't talk to us about it before splitting off
[02:42] <nixternal> ahhh
[02:42] <jdong> we'd be happy to talk to them anytime they want though
[02:42] <nixternal> there is a lot of good Kubuntu info on their forums as well
[02:42] <jdong> it would be nice to unite all of *buntu into One :)
[02:42] <nixternal> only makes sense
[02:42] <jdong> right
[02:44] <nixternal> for what? kubuntu forums? :)
[02:44] <nixternal> go gettum
[02:45] <jdong> yep
[02:45] <jdong> probably won't happen this month; our plate is quite full of other things to handle
[02:47] <nixternal> ya, building KDE4 is so much fun
[02:47] <nixternal> s/ya/yay
[02:47] <nixternal> I want to see the latest improvements to Konsole badly
[02:47] <jdong> lol
[02:48] <jdong> sounds like fun
[02:48] <jdong> hasn't KDE4 Konsole FINALLY gotten gnome-terminal's new tab in current directory feature?
[02:48] <jdong> ;-)
[02:48] <nixternal> I just keep forgetting that I am doing it in the background
[02:48] <nixternal> dunno, but I do know that it replaces yakuake's functionality and has some funky new notifications stuff
[02:49] <jdong> at any rate, your friendly SRU monster is one step closer to a massive KTorrent SRU
[02:49] <nixternal> rock on, I seen the commits
[02:49] <jdong> should close 5+ unique bugs + their bazillion dupes
[02:49] <nixternal> awesome
[04:03] <imbrandon> nixternal: you building packages or just compiling ?
[04:03] <imbrandon> and did you make MOTU or something ? /me missed that one
[04:04] <crimsun> he should apply sometime.
[04:04] <crimsun> I'll be sure to reject his app with VISTA LOVER
[04:04] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:14] <nixternal> imbrandon: compilin'
[05:14] <nixternal> imbrandon: well I was going to say something funny about not applying for MOTU, but crimsun beat me to it :)
[07:34] <Hobbsee> morning all
[07:35] <nixternal> you in Spain yet?
[07:35] <nixternal> if so, you are up damn early
[07:38] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:38] <Hobbsee> it's only 7.30
[07:38] <Hobbsee> there were a few of us who left the restaurant kinda early (10.30 or so), and i just came back and collapsed into bed
[07:40] <nixternal> Spain is 7hrs ahead, thought they were only 5 or 6, especially with daylight savings
[07:40] <nixternal> oh ya, you are about as far east in Spain as you can get as well
[07:41] <nixternal> have you seen manchicken yet?
[07:41] <nixternal> he is probably dead in bed
[07:41] <Hobbsee> not sure if he's here yet
[07:41] <Hobbsee> guess he is
[07:41] <nixternal> ya, he left early yesterday
[07:41] <Hobbsee> havent gone down for breakfast yet
[07:41] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:03] <Tm_T> whee
[08:35] <emonkey-p> greets to sevilla, I'm anxious to hear the results at the end of the UDS :)
[12:44] <GNUro> Hello
[12:45] <GNUro> Why "apt-get install libqt4-dev-kdecopy" tells me that kubuntu-desktop will be removed? and many others important packages are no longer required( as kmix..ecc)?
[12:45] <_StefanS_> hi
[12:45] <_StefanS_> GNUro: dont know, sorry.
[12:46] <GNUro> _StefanS_: np! :(
[12:46] <_StefanS_> GNUro: hmm mine doesn't want to remove kubuntu-desktop though..
[12:47] <_StefanS_> GNUro: The following packages will be REMOVED: hwdb-client-kde libqt4-core libqt4-gui libqt4-qt3support libqt4-sql python-qt4 speedcrunch
[12:47] <_StefanS_> GNUro: The following NEW packages will be installed: libqt4-core-kdecopy libqt4-dev-kdecopy libqt4-gui-kdecopy libqt4-qt3support-kdecopy libqt4-sql-kdecopy
[12:47] <_StefanS_> so it seems like it would work
[12:48] <GNUro> _StefanS_: can you paste in the  http://rafb.net/paste your source.list? thanx...
[12:49] <_StefanS_> GNUro: np.. 2secs
[12:49] <GNUro> _StefanS_: probably i've a really dirty system... :(
[12:50] <_StefanS_> GNUro: http://rafb.net/p/J5Yr0c65.html
[12:51] <GNUro> _StefanS_: thnx! :)
[12:51] <_StefanS_> np ;)
[07:33] <sebbar> hi, when will the next kde4.0 packages be available?
[07:33] <Tm_T> when ready
[07:34] <Tm_T> sebbar: I assume UDS takes its own time, so maybe after that
[07:34] <sebbar> ok cool tnx
[07:44] <raxiv> Hey, I'd like to help Kubuntu.. I'm 18 years old, I'm good with web-graphics, and I've been using Linux as a desktop OS for like 2 years. Can someone show me the way? ; ) ( please don't flame! thanks )
[07:47] <fdoving> raxiv: i take it you want to work with graphics related things, like artwork?
[07:47] <raxiv> actually yes.
[07:47] <fdoving> raxiv: reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork is a good start.
[07:48] <raxiv> uh, didnt read over there, sorry. Reading it straight away.
[07:48] <raxiv> I don't quite like the GNOME Env.
[07:48] <raxiv> so I didn't use the Ubuntu - just Kubuntu.
[07:48] <fdoving> that's not a problem, it's much the same :)
[07:49] <raxiv> ; )
[07:49] <raxiv> KubuntuArtwork wiki section is quite... empty.
[07:51] <ScottK> raxiv: A lot of people are travelling to the developer sprint this weekend, so this may not be the best time to be asking.
[07:51] <raxiv> I can ( obviously ) upload my stuff at KDE-Look and Ubuntu-ART but isnt that like spamming?
[07:51] <ScottK> nixternal does a lot of documentation work for Kubuntu, so maybe he has an idea?
[07:51] <raxiv> Arent things coordinated?
[07:52] <fdoving> it is, i don't have much clue about artwork related things. i think our artwork-man is Kenneth Wimer, nick kwwii
[07:52] <raxiv> ScottK: I see.
[07:52] <raxiv> : p
[07:52] <raxiv> ok then
[07:52] <fdoving> raxiv: contact this guy: https://launchpad.net/~kwwii
[07:52] <raxiv> oh thanks for the contact fdoving
[07:53] <fdoving> raxiv: also, even if you want to work on kubuntu things #ubuntu-artwork might be helpfull. also, working with KDE upstream can be a good idea.
[07:53] <raxiv> gonna send him a PM. Perhaps there is some help needed .
[07:53] <ScottK> raxiv: No need to worry to much about being flamed.  Kubuntu is very open to contribution.
[07:54] <fdoving> raxiv: http://kde.org/getinvolved/art/
[07:54] <raxiv> ScottK: Actually I imagine tons of noobs coming over here writing things like "plz let meh help I lern" ... so I'd like to catious.
[07:55] <raxiv> id like to be cautious*
[07:55] <raxiv> Thanks for the word of advise people!
[07:56] <jdong> ScottK: nice jab at #ubuntu-devel :D
[07:56] <raxiv> I got a job as a web-designer and I'm starting June so I'd like to get even more experience by helping here.
[07:57] <ScottK> jdong: No jab meant at all.
[07:58] <\sh> raxiv, ask kwwii when he is online...afaik he is responsible for the graphical stuff for ubuntu and kubuntu
[07:58] <\sh> kwwii also develops oxygene for kde
[07:58] <raxiv> They told me earlier \sh , thanks though : )
[08:07] <\sh> raxiv, cool
[08:08] <raxiv> well I've sent him an e-mail.
[08:09] <\sh> raxiv, try to catch him on irc during the conference in sevilla
[08:09] <Tm_T> IIRC for Gutsy, all artwork (graphics) goes thru kwwii
[08:10] <raxiv> um...when is the conference, sorry? : )
[08:10] <Tm_T> raxiv: ...now
[08:10] <Tm_T> raxiv: look topic ;)
[08:10] <raxiv> uh, sorry for my ignorance, I aint updated.
[08:10] <raxiv> oh.
[08:10] <\sh> raxiv, they are arriving today, and it starts officially tomorrow morning 9:00 a.m. sharp :)
[08:10] <raxiv> right : p
[08:11] <raxiv> I dont think he'll have time to chat about things with me ; )
[08:11] <\sh> if it's not 9:00 a.m. sharp, something's wrong with sabdfl ;)
[08:11] <raxiv> well - i think he is the type of guy who checks his email.
[08:11] <raxiv> so Ill be fine either way I think.
[08:12] <\sh> hmmm...kwwii is a crazy person ;)
[08:13] <Tm_T> <3
[08:13] <\sh> but a nice one
[08:13] <Tm_T> <3
[08:36] <fdoving> hum.. http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/kubuntu needs updating to 7.04 details.
[08:36] <fdoving> nixternal: you fix? ^^
[09:06] <nixternal> fdoving: created a bug for it, I will wait for Matt to contact me to see if he wants some help with the page
[09:06] <fdoving> nixternal: nice, thanks a bunch. great response time too :)
[09:07] <\sh> nixternal, you are not in sevilla?
[09:07] <\sh> nixternal <---- he needs to be there....
[09:07] <nixternal> nope, not in Sevilla unfortunately
[09:07] <nixternal> wish I was though
[09:08] <\sh> nixternal, you need to get a sponsoring from canonical...
[09:08] <\sh> next time
[09:09] <nixternal> next time is Boston, and if school permits, I will be there
[09:09] <nixternal> \sh: they need to work around my schooling in order for me to make it though :)
[09:09] <nixternal> next year I will be done with school. Actually in about 1 year or less to be exact
[09:09] <\sh> nixternal, well, boston is for me another problem...they won't let me in
[09:10] <nixternal> \sh: I don't blame them ;p
[09:10] <\sh> nixternal, lol
[09:10] <nixternal> haha
[09:10] <\sh> actually, they let me in, to lock me in
[09:10] <nixternal> the liquor store by my house quit selling my favorite beer dangit!
[09:11] <nixternal> but they do sell irn-bru of all things now, I love this store. 99.9% of the time if they don't have it, they get it the next day
[09:12] <\sh> WTF
[09:12] <\sh> Rejected:
[09:12] <\sh> MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existent file in archive
[09:12] <\sh> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[09:12] <fdoving> you've been 0wn3d.
[09:12] <\sh> it's a debian package
[09:12] <\sh> and wtf
[09:22] <\sh> hmmm...
[09:22] <\sh> LURE !
[10:02] <marseillai> i got a problem with my klauncher
[10:03] <marseillai> every applications i launch with it is launch in a konsole
[10:03] <marseillai> i really don't find a way to solve it
[11:04] <_StefanS_> marseillai: what is it about?
[11:04] <marseillai> fdo ving explain me the solution
[11:04] <_StefanS_> marseillai: oka.
[11:04] <marseillai> i had a problem in my kdesktoprc
[11:05] <_StefanS_> marseillai: you can always try renaming your ~/.kde directory to test if you have some corrupted settings
[11:05] <_StefanS_> marseillai: in the future i mean
[11:05] <_StefanS_> I usually do that
[11:05] <marseillai> _StefanS_: yes i know this trick
[11:06] <marseillai> but i don't really like this
[11:38] <claydoh> weee the worlds smallest loco i bet :0
[11:38] <claydoh> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-maineiacs
[11:39] <claydoh> hah wronfg window


[09:07] <Astron> Hello.
[09:08] <valorie> hi Astron, how can we help?
[09:13] <Astron> I have a problem with ati drivers. I tried many linux distrs, but i haven't seen this problem. Kubuntu 15.10, i downloaded lastest drivers from oficial site. I run instller, and all good/ But after creating temporaly directory, it just stops, and delete this directory
[09:13] <Astron> sudo sh /home/astron/3.run  Created directory fglrx-install.HYcyCm Verifying archive integrity... All good. Uncompressing AMD Proprietary Driver-15.302...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
[09:13] <Astron> AMD  Proprietary Driver Installer/Packager  [09:23] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:26] <valorie> Astron: it is not advised to ever download drivers from any site -- you should get your software, including drivers, from the archives
[09:27] <valorie> !fglrx
[09:28] <Astron> i tried it, but i had tearing((((
[10:18] <amichair> is it possible to assign audio outputstreams to devices using standard kde volume control? or only through pavucontrol? and does the latter have a tray icon applet?
[10:22] <lordievader> amichair: Right clicking on the KDE volume control and hitting Audio volume settings, shows me a window which reminds me a lot of pavucontrol, I suppose in they you can route audiostreams.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:31] <BluesKaj> !docker
[13:38] <BluesKaj> !dock
[13:40] <Seminarian> Hey guys, I'm having an issue in Plasma. When I try to set up dual monitor on my laptop (Laptop screen = secondary and HDMI screen primary , arragendc correctly) and I click apply krunner crashes and my display manager starts back up and I have to log in again. Can someone please assist me to fix this?
[13:56] <Seminarian>  Hey guys, I'm having an issue in Plasma. When I try to set up dual monitor on my laptop (Laptop screen = secondary and HDMI screen primary , arragendc correctly) and I click apply krunner crashes and my display manager starts back up and I have to log in again. Can someone please assist me to fix this?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Seminarian, crossposting is frowned upon, besises you have an answer in #ubuntu already
[14:01] <BluesKaj> beides
[14:02]  * BluesKaj looks for his glasses , again
[14:04] <Seminarian> BluesKaj: Okay noted
[14:04] <Seminarian> BluesKaj: No I don't have an answer yet
[14:04] <Seminarian> The given answer doesn't apply
[14:09] <Seminarian> BluesKaj: Can you help?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Seminarian, no dual monitors here, just my panasonic TV. It's my monitor.
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Seminarian, my best advice is use the same resolution for both the laptop and the monitor,. fewer problems with that method
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Seminarian, and krunner is buggy atm, crashes a lot
[14:17] <Seminarian> I was tyring with the same resolution
[14:17] <Seminarian> To my experience all window managers are buggy on this point
[14:17] <Seminarian> so It seems like it's something on my box
[14:18] <Seminarian> could it  be x-server config related?
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Seminarian, who knows, plasma is in a state of flux atm,  it's difficult to know which bug it might be
[14:37] <Seminarian> BluesKaj: So what's the next option use an older verison of KDE? How do I go about installing that with apt-get ?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Seminarian, you can't
[14:38] <Seminarian> So everybody who install kubuntu is basically screwed?
[14:40] <clivejo> Seminarian: have you tried backports?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Seminarian, nope, my 16.04 is working ok, a freeze now and then, but that's to be expected
[14:43] <Seminarian> No haven't tried clivejo
[14:43] <Seminarian> Is it even possible to move a panel? Ifso how?
[14:44] <Seminarian> like from left to right edge of screen
[14:44] <BluesKaj> Seminarian, don't go making generalties about kubuntu users being screwed because that's not the case. Your frustration is understandable, but blanket staements that are untrue aren't welcome.
[14:45] <Seminarian> Ok.. BluesKaj
[14:48] <clivejo> Seminarian: there have been a number if bug fix releases since Kubuntu 15.10 shipped out
[14:48] <clivejo> backports allow you to install these
[14:51] <BluesKaj> Seminarian, I know it's no consolation to you,but I tried my laptop hdmi out to my tv and i couldn't get proper scale size or centered screen with 14.04 , i gave up ..it was mostly an experiment and quite frustrating.
[14:53] <Seminarian> BluesKaj: Okay thx
[15:20] <yotux> how does one set a static IP in ubuntu 15.04
[15:20] <OerHeks> yotux, upgrade to 15.10 first, as 15.04 is EOL
[15:21] <OerHeks> yotux, then just edit your connection in networkmanager
[15:21] <yotux> Sorry current is 15.10
[15:22] <yotux> OerHeks I was going to use interfaces via cmd but that file appears to be blank
[15:22] <yotux>  Thanks
[15:23] <yotux> Would there be a reason that network manager is not enabled?
[15:24] <OerHeks> *if* you use networkmanager, leave interfaces clean. or uninstall knetworkmanager i guess.
[15:25] <yotux> I am wanting to have a static ip for my desktop, I have install a virtaul machine
[15:25] <yotux> and network manager is not running which seems odd to me
[15:33] <BluesKaj> yotux, static IP on your lan doesn't need network manager
[15:34] <BluesKaj> \, maybe the method you followed to setup the staic IP in /etc/network/interfaces disabled it
[15:35] <BluesKaj> yotux,^
[15:51] <TuriKatami> !list
[17:35] <robciua> hello
[17:39] <BluesKaj> hi robciua
[17:40] <robciua> hi
[18:41] <darin> Bummer. Upgraded to Nvidia 361.28 on my main box and rebooted to a black screen. hmmm.  dropped to a console (ctrl-alt-f1) and performed a "sudo apt-get purge nvidia".
[18:43] <darin> Upon reboot, the sddm login screen flashes for a second and all screens go black.  ctrl-alt-f1 fails.  Hit the power button and the Kubuntu logo appears as the PC shuts down.
[18:46] <darin> Downloaded the daily 16.10 iso to install to a backup disk.  The daily download is still broken so I had to fix that.  Then kparted failed to create a new partition table on the spare disk.
[18:47] <darin> So now I am cleaning the disk with dd (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=1M).  1TB 5400 rpm drive take "FOREVER" to zero....
[20:16] <Guest81757> hi everyone!
[20:16] <lordievader> o/
[20:16] <NeuhNeuh> http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/763877notifiance1.png \o/
[20:16] <NeuhNeuh> Yeah !
[20:16] <NeuhNeuh> Hello Guest81757 and lordievader :D
[20:17] <Guest81757> would you help me with a lil issue?
[20:17] <NeuhNeuh> lilo ?
[20:17] <NeuhNeuh> Or lil ?
[20:17] <lordievader> !ask | Guest81757
[20:17] <NeuhNeuh> I don't know both, But I only know name of lilo :x
[20:17] <Guest81757> eheh sorry
[20:17] <Guest81757> lil as for little
[20:18] <lordievader> Hmm...
[21:03] <Seminarian> Hey guys, just wondering if multiple workspaces are possible in plasma 5, I can't seem to find the option to enable it
[21:08] <Seminarian> btw: after testing all kinds of desktop enviornments.. I conclude I love KDE how it's build
[21:40] <mparillo> Seminarian: I think what you might be looking for is Activities.  https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma#Activities
[21:40] <mparillo> And this is from Plasma 4, but useful for getting ideas for things you might want to do with Activities: http://www.datamation.com/open-source/the-mystery-of-kde-activities-1.html
[21:41] <mparillo> Note that the Datamation story uses KDE to describe what we now call Plasma.
[21:45] <Seminarian> Thanks man found what I was looking on your link it's called "Virtual desktops"
[21:53] <Seminarian> mparillo: how awesome is KDE, everything configurable in a way that makes sense!
[21:54] <Seminarian> Gonna check out the second link now
[22:04] <Guest95015> siema
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