[00:25] <xkernel> When creating a Touch app in the Qt Creator; do I have to type all the QML scripts or is there a way for GUI designing?
[00:31] <mhall119> xkernel: you have to type it out currently, I think the Qt Designer still isn't working for Qt5/QML
[00:46] <odraencode> One of these days I'm going to make a QML app :|
[00:46] <odraencode> Then I'll join the circlejerk of phone developers
[00:46] <odraencode> Maybe I should get a phone
[03:04] <jono> mhall119,  around?
[03:20] <mhall119> jono: about to head to sleep, got an early morning call tomorrow
[03:24] <jono> mhall119, np, we can chat tomorrow
[05:53] <ezu5t> Hello. Reading the page http://developer.ubuntu.com/2013/02/releasing-the-ubuntu-touch-developer-preview-and-sdk-alpha/ and trying to determine what kind of tablet to get. from what I see, none of the supported ones have removable battery or a micro-sd slot.
[05:53] <ezu5t> i wish one of them did
[07:01] <adi_> HI
[07:06] <dommertnator> So whats going down
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[07:34] <Mirv> morning
[07:34] <Mirv> I'm proposing a change to the ubuntu-sdk meta package so that people get lots and lots of new documentation inside the Qt Creator Help function https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy.add_documentation/+merge/173659
[07:34] <Mirv> qtdeclarative5-doc is still missing from saucy archives, so didn't add that yet
[07:35] <Mirv> (pending someone sponsoring https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/saucy/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/merge_continued/+merge/173448)
[08:14] <Mirv> saucy users? could you try out Qt Creator (~test12) from ppa:timo-jyrinki/qt5-testing - smoke-testing - the only interesting thing is you see some difference compared to the ~test10 in SDK Release PPA (you shouldn't)
[08:15] <Mirv> I'm hoping to get that or something very similar to saucy archives now finally
[08:19] <Mirv> I asked jppiiroinen to test it as well but he's needing a saucy reinstall first
[08:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Sugar Cookie Day! :-D
[10:37] <om26er> oSoMoN, can you +1 this please since gusch is on vacation. https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/gallery-app/fix_test_run_devices/+merge/173573
[10:37] <oSoMoN> om26er: looking
[10:44] <oSoMoN> om26er: this was already fixed and merged at revision 771 in lp:gallery-app
[10:46] <om26er> oSoMoN, ah,thanks. Its a bad day ;) I fixed test run for gallery and Chris already fixed it, I also add autopilot testing to address-book-app and seems ranato also propsed it :O
[10:46] <oSoMoN> :/
[12:50] <AskUbuntu> I'm having a difficulty in the application intalled menu | http://askubuntu.com/q/318140
[13:13] <kaleo> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/crossfadeimage/+merge/170391 has a fix
[13:19] <Laney> kaleo: saw, will merge shortly
[13:20] <kaleo> Laney, cool
[13:44] <Laney> kaleo: ah, cunning, why didn't I think of that? :P
[13:44] <kaleo> Laney, there is another way that does not require an extra variable
[13:44] <kaleo> Laney, but it would have meant some deeper changes
[13:45] <kaleo> Laney, no time for that :)
[13:45] <Laney> heh, not sure I need to know ;-)
[13:45]  * Laney builds
[15:26] <kaleo> Laney, merged! thanks a lot
[15:26] <Laney> kaleo: woo! thank you for the reviews!
[17:31] <renato_> om26er, ping
[17:31] <om26er> renato_, pong
[17:31] <renato_> om26er, what is the problem with my branch :D
[17:32] <renato_> I like the make autpilot
[17:32] <om26er> renato_, def launch_app(self, movie_file=None):
[17:32] <om26er> +        if os.path.realpath(__file__).startswith("/usr/"):
[17:33] <om26er> renato_, we can go with as it is now and I'll fix those things in another merge proposal, if you want
[17:33] <renato_> and I like to be able to run the autopilot even if I have build the app in a diff directory
[17:33] <om26er> renato_, that makes running tests difficult for someone who is running the testsuite for the first time
[17:35] <renato_> om26er, I can use hardcode dir like you did "local_location = "../../src/imports/main.qml"" as a fall-back if the var was not found
[17:35] <om26er> renato_, yes would be simpler
[17:36] <renato_> om26er, why I need to do in a another merge proposal? why I can not fix mine?
[17:36] <om26er> renato_, sure you can ;)
[17:36] <renato_> ok
[17:52] <mihahn> Hi
[18:09] <mihahn> Hello :)
[18:11] <renato_> om26er, MR fixed
[18:11] <om26er> renato_, looking
[18:11] <mihahn> ?
[18:12] <mihahn> Guys what are the skills you should have when you wanna help tomorrow?
[18:16] <om26er> renato_, the copyright headers need to be 2013 other than that LGTM
[18:17] <om26er> mihahn, depends if you have knowledge of python you could help with writing tests, if you want to help in basic app development you need to know QML
[18:18] <AskUbuntu> Why Java is not there for development of ubuntu phone? | http://askubuntu.com/q/318240
[18:19] <mihahn> @om26er I have basic python skills, but not much more. Maybe I will just be spectating... but that's why I love Ubuntu - the community. To work together for updates and discussing here is so great!
[18:19] <mihahn> btw how to name ppl here in freenode? ^^
[18:21] <om26er> mihahn, see this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch
[18:22] <mihahn> Okay I know the site :)
[18:30] <AskUbuntu> development desktop in ubuntu 12.04 | http://askubuntu.com/q/318243
[18:32] <kaleo> mhall119, who wants to play with gradient backgrounds?
[18:32] <mhall119> kaleo: nik90 does, I'm sure
[18:33] <kaleo> mhall119, cool
[18:33] <kaleo> nik90, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5859216/
[18:34] <kaleo> mhall119, do you know what apps need it?
[18:34] <kaleo> mhall119, the clock app for sure
[18:35] <mhall119> kaleo: the clock and calendar are the only ones with final Suru-style designs
[18:35] <mhall119> sorry, Clock and Calculator
[18:35] <kaleo> mhall119, ok
[18:36] <kaleo> mhall119, I'm never able to find dalius
[18:36] <kaleo> :(
[18:36] <mhall119> Weather and Calendar *might* use it, but until we get the final visual designs we won't know
[18:36] <kaleo> mhall119, ok
[18:36] <nik90> kaleo: me me me :-)
[18:36] <mhall119> unfortunately dalius has stepped down from working on the Calculator, so we'll need to get someone else working on it
[18:37] <kaleo> mhall119, ok
[18:37] <kaleo> nik90, check out the link :)
[18:37] <nik90> kaleo: How do we get it to use a specific toolkit version?
[18:37] <kaleo> nik90, you can compile it yourself
[18:37] <kaleo> nik90, bzr branch thebranch && cd thebranch && qmake && make && source export_modules_dir.sh
[18:37] <kaleo> nik90, then launch your app
[18:37] <nik90> kaleo: how to revert the toolkit?
[18:38] <kaleo> nik90, or you can wait for launchpad to build an ubuntu package of the toolkit for which a link will appear in the merge request I sent you
[18:38] <kaleo> nik90, revert?
[18:39] <nik90> kaleo: when I do qmake and source export.. etc. I start using your toolkit branch essentially. How do I go back to the original version of teh toolkit?
[18:39] <kaleo> nik90, just close the terminal
[18:39] <kaleo> nik90, all other terminals will use the system toolkit
[18:39] <nik90> ah ok :) perfect. Will post screenshot when I finish :D
[18:39] <kaleo> nik90, cool
[18:44] <nik90> kaleo: I get an error while compiling. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859250/
[18:45] <kaleo> nik90, you need to have installed all the packages listed at the beginning of debian/contrl
[18:45] <kaleo> nik90, debian/control
[18:45] <kaleo> nik90, you are missing qtdeclarative5-private-dev,
[18:45] <kaleo> -,
[18:45] <nik90> kaleo: will go through the list and install required packages
[18:55] <nik90> kaleo: I am stuck since when I try to install a package it is conflicting with the version of it already installed on my system. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859281/
[18:55] <kaleo> nik90, do apt-cache policy libqt5v8-5-dev
[18:56] <nik90> kaleo: Installed: 5.0.2-3ubuntu1~raring1~test1 Candidate: 5.0.2-3ubuntu1~raring1~test1
[18:57] <nik90> no idea where the raring came up from. I am running saucy
[18:57] <nik90> I get similar error when trying to install qtdeclarative5-private-dev
[18:57] <nik90> the *-private-dev cannot be installed because of this
[18:58] <kaleo> nik90, policy tells you where it comes from
[18:59] <nik90> kaleo: It comes from saucy then based on output http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859289/
[18:59] <kaleo> nik90, and apt-cache policy libqt5v8-5-private-dev ?
[19:01] <nik90> kaleo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859295/
[19:01] <nik90> ah I dont have that installed
[19:02] <kaleo> nik90, try the following
[19:02] <kaleo> nik90, sudo apt-get install libqt5v8-5-dev=5.0.2-3 libqt5v8-5-private-dev
[19:03] <nik90> kaleo: nope same situation http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859304/
[19:04] <nik90> if I install the package from your MP built by launchpad, will it automatically fix these dependency issues
[19:04] <kaleo> nik90, yes
[19:04] <kaleo> nik90, try
[19:05] <kaleo> sudo apt-get install libqt5v8-5-dev=5.0.2-3 libqt5v8-5-private-dev libqt5v8-5=5.0.2-3
[19:05] <nik90> okay that allowed me to isntall those packages.
[19:06] <nik90> Now I shall continue installing other packages from debian/control
[19:06] <kaleo> good
[19:15] <nik90> kaleo: hitting the same issue qtdeclarative5-private-dev, tried your way of sudo apt-get install qtdeclarative-dev=5.0.2-2 qtdeclarative5-private-dev qtdeclarative5=5.0.2-2...but doesnt seem to find the package
[19:16] <kaleo> =5.0.2-3
[19:16] <kaleo> not 2
[19:17] <nik90> kaleo: I tried that but it say version 5.0.2-3 does not exist for that package. I also tried 1,2,3
[19:17] <renato_> om26er, thanks for the review, and sorry because of the duplicated work :D
[19:17] <kaleo> nik90, ok, what's the error message
[19:18] <kaleo> nik90, what's the dependency that cannot be installed?
[19:18] <nik90> kaleo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859337/
[19:18] <om26er> renato_, np ;)
[19:18] <kaleo> nik90, do it without the versions please
[19:18] <kaleo> nik90, and paste the result
[19:20] <nik90> kaleo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859339/
[19:21] <nik90> I noticed I typed qtdeclarative-dev instead of qtdeclarative5-dev in the last command, but then it complains that "Unable to locate package qtdeclarative5"
[19:22] <kaleo> nik90, sudo apt-get install qtdeclarative5-private-dev qtdeclarative5-dev=5.0.2-1ubuntu2
[19:23] <kaleo> nik90, you must have installed a PPA at some point
[19:23] <kaleo> nik90, that's messing up your Qt installe
[19:23] <kaleo> -e
[19:23] <nik90> kaleo: true I get more warning than before stating the qt quick, quick particles etc are wrong
[19:23] <nik90> I will wait for launchpad :)
[19:24] <kaleo> nik90, try this
[19:25] <kaleo> do the same apt-get with -f
[19:25] <kaleo> e.g.: sudo apt-get install -f qtdeclarativeblabla
[19:26] <nik90> kaleo: doesnt work. same error. It is ignoring the force install parameter
[19:27] <kaleo> nik90, sorry, I asked you before I think, you are on saucy?
[19:28] <seb128> kaleo, nik90: do you guys need help sorting that out?
[19:28] <nik90> kaleo: yes on saucy
[19:28] <nik90> upgraded from raring if that matters
[19:29] <nik90> seb128: help welcome :)
[19:29] <kaleo> nik90, I'm guessing you have the qt5-proper PPA installed; sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/canonical-qt5-edgers-qt5-proper-raring.list*
[19:29] <seb128> nik90, try sudo apt-get install qtdeclarative5-dev/saucy qtdeclarative5-private-dev/saucy
[19:29] <kaleo> nik90, then sudo apt-get update
[19:29] <kaleo> nik90, it does matter; that's the issue :)
[19:29] <nik90> yes I do have the ppa installed
[19:29] <kaleo> nik90, we need to remove it
[19:29] <kaleo> seb128, thanks!
[19:29] <seb128> yw ;-)
[19:30] <seb128> nik90, disable the ppa anyway, or it will try to upgrade the packages using it again, it seems to raring packages in the ppa are newer than the saucy version
[19:31] <nik90> seb128: ok
[19:31] <seb128> nik90, let me know if the command I just gave work
[19:31] <nik90> seb128: nope it did not work
[19:31] <seb128> nik90, can you pastebin the error?
[19:31] <nik90> seb128: so I removed the PPA adn then am updating
[19:31] <nik90> sure
[19:32] <nik90> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859365/
[19:32] <seb128> nik90, ok, that's easy enough...
[19:32] <seb128> nik90, dpkg -l | grep ~raring
[19:33] <seb128> nik90, then you need to "sudo apt-get install binary/saucy otherbinary/saucy yetanotherbinary/saucy"
[19:33] <seb128> where the "binary/saucy" list is all the binary the dpkg -l command listed
[19:33] <nik90> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859371/
[19:33] <seb128> or keep trying and add things that are listed in error
[19:34] <nik90> seb128: that's a lot of packages to do "sudo apt-get install binary/saucy otherbinary/saucy  yetanotherbinary/saucy"
[19:34] <nik90> :)
[19:34] <seb128> nik90, you can shell script if you like :p
[19:35] <mhall119> kaleo: seb128: I hope this is going to be easier once all the packages are built and published
[19:35] <kaleo> mhall119, they are
[19:35] <nik90> so at the end of the day, does saucy need the qt5-proper PPA or not?
[19:35] <kaleo> mhall119, it's just that the PPA has incorrect versions of Qt
[19:35] <kaleo> nik90, no
[19:36] <nik90> kaleo: mhall119: then the developer.ubuntu.com needs an update definitely
[19:36] <nik90> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[19:37] <kaleo> nik90, it does not talk about Saucy (13.10) :)
[19:38] <nik90> kaleo: it does say "a development release" which is saucy
[19:38] <nik90> Alternatively, for those using Ubuntu 13.04 or a development release:
[19:38] <kaleo> nik90,  ah ah
[19:38] <kaleo> nik90, right
[19:39] <mhall119> kaleo: do we have package version conflicts between the saucy archives and the PPA?
[19:39] <nik90> kaleo: would I need the sdk-ppa then?
[19:39] <nik90> or shall i remove that as well
[19:39] <kaleo> mhall119, it kind of looks like it
[19:39] <mhall119> :/
[19:39] <kaleo> nik90, no
[19:39] <kaleo> nik90, saucy has everything
[19:39] <nik90> ok
[19:45] <renato_> timp, I am having problems with popover and keyboard, could you help me?
[19:45] <renato_> kaleo, who can help me with a popover problem?
[19:45] <kaleo> renato_, timp can
[19:45] <kaleo> renato_, by keyboard you mean keyboard navigation?
[19:46] <kaleo> renato_, the best is to report the bug first
[19:46] <kaleo> renato_, send an email to timp with the link (I believe he is EOD)
[19:48] <renato_> kaleo, no, the problem is that, just after the popover appear I ask the keyboard to dismiss, and then my item that is anchored to the popover moves but the popover does not follow it
[19:49] <renato_> kaleo, do you know if there is a easy way to fix that?
[19:49] <kaleo> renato_, don't know
[19:49] <kaleo> renato_, definitely a bug
[19:49] <renato_> ok I will report a bug
[19:50] <kaleo> renato_, thanks
[19:53] <renato_> kaleo, can I assign it to timp?
[19:53] <kaleo> renato_, yes
[19:53] <renato_> kaleo, ok thanks
[19:54] <renato_> kaleo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1199502
[19:54] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1199502 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[popover] Popover does not follow parent if it moves" [Undecided,New]
[20:22] <mhall119> kaleo: I built ubuntu-ui-toolkit using your branch, having some trouble getting it to work with the gradient
[20:23] <mhall119> file:///home/mhall/projects/Ubuntu/sdk/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/modules/Ubuntu/Components/Button.qml:83: TypeError: Cannot read property 'defaultGradient' of null
[20:23] <mhall119> file:///home/mhall/projects/Ubuntu/sdk/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/modules/Ubuntu/Components/Button.qml:72: TypeError: Cannot read property 'defaultColor' of null
[20:23] <mhall119> file:///home/mhall/projects/Ubuntu/sdk/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/modules/Ubuntu/Components/Label.qml:59: TypeError: Cannot read property 'selected' of null
[20:23] <mhall119> is what I get when running qmlscene with -I to point to the ./modules/ folder of the branch
[20:25] <kaleo> mhall119, ./gallery.sh works?
[20:25] <kaleo> mhall119, (after qmake && make)
[20:28] <mhall119> kaleo: it works,but I don't see any gradient
[20:29] <mhall119> kaleo: my test app works fine too if I don't use:
[20:29] <mhall119> Component.onCompleted: Theme.name = "Ubuntu.Components.Themes.AmbianceGradient"
[20:29] <mhall119> I get the normal flat theme
[20:29] <kaleo> mhall119, did you use the pastebin?
[20:29] <kaleo> mhall119, did you set the properties on the MainView?
[20:29] <mhall119> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5859216/ yes
[20:29] <kaleo> mhall119, what branch of the toolkit are you using?
[20:30] <mhall119> kaleo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859559/ is my testing code
[20:30] <mhall119> kaleo: I'm using bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/ with bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/dark_gradient_themes/ bzr merged on top
[20:33] <kaleo> mhall119, should work
[20:34] <kaleo> mhall119, did you do source export_modules_dir.sh ?
[20:34] <mhall119> no, didn't do that
[20:35] <kaleo> mhall119, what I told nik90 earlier: bzr branch thebranch && cd thebranch && qmake && make && source export_modules_dir.sh
[20:35] <kaleo> I gotta go though
[20:35] <kaleo> good luck
[20:35] <mhall119> ah ha, that did the trick,thanks kaleo
[20:36] <nik90> mhall119: can you try those 4 line code in the clock app as well?
[20:37] <nik90> I can give you the gradient color definitions
[20:37] <mhall119> nik90: sure, send them over
[20:37] <nik90> header: 57365e
[20:38] <nik90> body: a55263
[20:38] <nik90> footer: d75669
[20:41] <mhall119> nik90: hmmm, the header disappears when I apply the theme
[20:41] <mhall119> kaleo: are Tabs supported yet?
[20:41] <nik90> mhall119: you mean you can see Stopwatch, Timer and Alarm headers any more?
[20:41] <nik90> mhall119: screenshot pls
[20:42] <kaleo> mhall119, yes
[20:42] <kaleo> mhall119, it works here :)
[20:42] <mhall119> http://ubuntuone.com/46klPt2Ofxct0F4d9OgOP4
[20:43] <kaleo> mhall119, can you share the patch?
[20:43] <ctcb> Hi all...
[20:43] <nik90> mhall119: that is reminiscent of a bug I faced when the simple themeing infrastructure landed. However it was fixed the same day.
[20:44] <mhall119> kaleo: nik90: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859611/ is the only change I made
[20:45]  * nik90 think the clock looks like a glowing sun with the new background :-)
[20:45] <mhall119> nik90: kaleo: when I comment out just the Theme.name line, I get http://ubuntuone.com/5wDK1GChj6Su2ccDeyTffa
[20:45] <kaleo> mhall119, I can reproduce the issue
[20:46] <kaleo> mhall119, not sure if it's a bug with the app or the toolkit
[20:46] <nik90> mhall119: did your test app have tab headers?
[20:46] <kaleo> mhall119, I have an idea of what the issue might be
[20:46] <kaleo> mhall119, I will look into it later
[20:47] <ctcb> I'm wondering if somebody can help me with a little bash code in a .sh file I'm making.
[20:47] <mhall119> nik90: it used PageStack, but it displayed the header: http://ubuntuone.com/0e1zEDG8vaAgMz1P8SEOEf
[20:47] <kaleo> mhall119, I have to go
[20:47] <kaleo> mhall119, nik90: it's very pretty though
[20:47] <mhall119> thanks kaleo, it's looking great
[20:47] <mhall119> kaleo: it is very pretty :)
[20:47] <nik90> kaleo: thnx
[20:48] <nik90> kaleo: looking forward to its merge
[20:48] <nik90> and very easy to use
[20:48] <nik90> mhall119: the test app looks great
[20:49] <nik90> mhall119: although you wrote the code in the mainview, so it applies to all tabs. However I need different background gradient for different tabs
[20:49] <nik90> hope that is supported as well
[20:50] <mhall119> nik90: the visual design had different gadients per tab?  I don't think kaleo's changes will do that...
[20:55] <ctcb> I want a way that in bashcode I can check if a folder exists and then do some if it does.
[20:56] <ctcb> I'm writing a script for an app installer.
[20:56] <nik90> mhall119: http://ubuntu-touch.blogspot.com/2013/07/clock-app-update-july-7th.html
[20:56] <nik90> mhall119: check out the stoptwatch and timer background gradient
[20:56] <mhall119> nik90: they look the same
[20:57] <nik90> mhall119: the clock background is different from the (stopwatch and timer)
[20:57] <mhall119> the two pictures you have under "Visual designs"?
[20:58] <nik90> mhall119: basically the clock has a pinkish footer color while the timer and stopwatch have a more orangish footer color
[20:58] <mhall119> their gradients are the same
[20:58] <nik90> look at http://ubuntuone.com/46klPt2Ofxct0F4d9OgOP4 and http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XFEE_1vaxYE/UdlfDshUE9I/AAAAAAAAB2U/LQtRqO9oul4/s1600/stopwatch_home.jpg
[20:58] <nik90> side by side
[20:59] <mhall119> oh, mine is different from yours
[20:59] <nik90> mhall119: yup.
[21:00] <mhall119> hey, I just used the hexcodes you gave me :)
[21:00] <mhall119> but each tab should have the same gradient, they won't be different
[21:01] <nik90> mhall119: the think is I received the visual design in 2 parts
[21:01] <nik90> mhall119: in each part, the background gradient is different
[21:02] <nik90> I will be meeting with the designers this thursday hopefully. Will ask them there
[21:03] <mhall119> ok
[21:03] <mhall119> still, we're making progress!
[21:03] <nik90> mhall119: yes :)
[21:04] <nik90> mhall119: I am also looking forward to tomorrow's timezone meeting
[21:05] <ctcb> I know this isn't the best place to ask this. But how would I make a linux dist?


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[00:03] <infinity> doko: ?
[16:09] <hyperair> does anyone know where nagios dumps its apache configs?
[16:50] <GridCubexmir> hello, how are yeh, where should i ask a few things abour mir :)
[16:50] <GridCubexmir> im running an xmir/xubuntu test
[23:14] <jdoles> Why is boost packaged in the way that it is on LTS? libboost-locale1.48-dev has no associated debug package.
[23:15] <jdoles> libboost-dbg does exist, but it doesn't include locale...
[23:15] <jdoles> All in all, it seems like a total failure.
[23:21] <infinity> jdoles: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/universe/b/boost1.48/ might help.
[23:22] <infinity> jdoles: How or why the -dbg package is mangled or broken is another question, and I'm not sure, but the ddebs might be correct at least.
[23:24] <infinity> jdoles: Also, libboost-1.48-dbg might do better than libboost-dbg (which depends on 1.46)?
[23:26] <jdoles> infinity: what line do I need to have in sources.list in order for those to be visible in Synaptic?
[23:27] <jdoles> infinity: I already have a couple of them.
[23:27] <jdoles> infinity: e.g. deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com precise-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[23:28] <infinity> jdoles: That would do it, yes.  Though, as I pointed our, your problem could just be a version mismatch.  You said you were using libboost-locale1.48-dev but libboost-dbg.  1.48 versus 1.46
[23:29] <infinity> s/our/out/
[23:30] <jdoles> infinity: I don't care which version is used.
[23:30] <jdoles> infinity: all I am interested in is dbg packages for libboost-locale1.48-dev.
[23:31] <jdoles> infinity: and in such a way that they are visible in Synaptic.
[23:31] <infinity> ...
[23:31] <infinity> Which wouldn't be in libboost-dbg, because it's version 1.46.
[23:31] <jdoles> infinity: that's why I installed libboost-locale1.48-dev.
[23:31] <infinity> So you want libboost1.48-dbg
[23:31] <jdoles> infinity: and then found out there was no dbg package...
[23:31] <jdoles> infinity: and then asked here.
[23:32] <jdoles> infinity: I thought that part was clear.
[23:34] <infinity> jdoles: It was clear, yes.  And then I went version hunting after I gave the ddeb advice and realised that "libboost-dbg" depends on version 1.46, and libboost-locale1.48-dev is (obviously) 1.48
[23:34] <infinity> jdoles: So, again, try installing libboost1.48-dbg
[23:47] <jdoles> infinity: thanks


[00:09] <lamont> hrm.. could have sworn that the /var/lib/postfix thing was (1) fixed already and (2) submitted a time or 3 in debian, too
[00:14] <billybigrigger> hey all
[00:14] <billybigrigger> any raid/mdadm gurus here?
[01:17] <PleXuS> anyone known why /etc/init.d/networking restart don't restart my network configuration?
[01:17] <PleXuS> on ubuntu 9.04
[02:13] <pmatulis> PleXuS: did you prefix the command with 'sudo'?
[02:14] <PleXuS> pmatulis, yes
[02:14] <PleXuS> it says all ok
[02:14] <PleXuS> just it didn't do anything different :S
[02:14] <PleXuS> but my config file is totally changed :S
[02:14] <pmatulis> PleXuS: pastebin your interfaces file
[02:16] <pmatulis> PleXuS: are you running GNOME?
[02:16] <PleXuS> yes
[02:16] <pmatulis> you should be using network-manager then
[02:17] <pmatulis> and not commands
[02:18] <PleXuS> pmatulis, but it still uses the config file ?
[02:18] <pmatulis> PleXuS: yes, but nm will alter it, that could be why it's changing as you say
[02:19] <pmatulis> PleXuS: what does it say on the first few lines when it has changed?
[02:19] <PleXuS> config file isn't changed
[02:20] <pmatulis> PleXuS: you said it changes
[02:20] <PleXuS> it just not doing what I added in the config file
[02:20] <pmatulis> 21:14 < PleXuS> but my config file is totally changed :S                                                                                dthacker
[02:21]  * pmatulis goes away for a while
[02:21] <PleXuS> yeah i changed it but its not doing it
[02:21] <PleXuS> like i changed
[02:43] <pmatulis> PleXs: i asked you to pastebin it.  also output to 'ifconfig -a'.  can't help otherwise
[02:51] <PleXs> pmatulis, the config is ok.. its the gnome network manager that gives me the problems
[03:02] <tswicegood> hello - I'm running into problems compiling node.js (in particular, the V8 VM dependency).  It fails with the following error: http://pastie.org/514612  Anyone have any ideas what might be causing the problem?
[03:03] <ajmitch> I suggest talking to the chromium people about problems with compiling their stuff on 64-bit architectures
[03:04] <ajmitch> they do interesting things with that
[03:17] <mark____> Is it possible to make an application use a specific interface?
[03:25] <twb> mark____: usually that is in an application-specific fashion, such as a command-line option.
[03:26] <twb> I'm not aware of any generic way to restrict binding (other than just rejecting bind requests) to specific interfaces.
[03:26] <twb> You can also add firewall rules, of course, to drop/reject traffic on the unwanted interfaces.
[03:26] <mark____> twb: Thanks.  Are you aware of any command line only torrent clients that allow you to do this?
[03:26] <twb> Sorry, I don't provide support for torrent.
[03:27] <mark____> mkay
[03:28] <twb> You should be able to get a list of tty torrent clients using debtags.
[03:28] <twb> Something like: aptitude search "~Gbittorrent ~Gcurses"
[03:29] <twb> (That assumes you have aptitude and debtags installed.)
[03:29] <mark____> that's cool, never knew you could do that.  Thanks
[03:30] <twb> Here, I see that ~Gcurses doesn't match some packages, so maybe just try ~Gbittorrent alone
[08:49] <th0m> morn,ing
[10:20] <WaVeR> someone here to do some install test?
[10:20] <twb> !anyone
[10:22] <arl> Hi everybody
[10:22] <WaVeR> it was my real question :D
[10:23] <arl> does anybody have successfully installed postfix with dovecot and smtp-auth on hardy?
[10:23] <WaVeR> If you want to do some test please check this bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/387997
[10:24] <arl> I am just switching from debian 4.0 to hardy and facing the problem that I can't send emails
[10:24] <arl> getting email is no problem but sending via mutt or evolution over imap is not possible
[10:24] <ivoks> mails aren't being sent over imap
[10:24] <ivoks> they are sent over smtp
[10:24] <arl> yes I know they are send via smtp
[10:25] <arl> sorry for that
[10:25] <ivoks> so, what exactly doesn't work?
[10:26] <arl> well mutt says "mail send" but this is not true, I can't see anything in /var/mail/mail.log
[10:26] <arl> it seems that smtp-auth does not work
[10:26] <ivoks> what do you use for smtp-auth?
[10:26] <arl> dovecot
[10:27] <ivoks> dovecot-auth or saslautd?
[10:27] <ivoks> ok
[10:27] <ivoks> postconf smtpd_sasl_path
[10:27] <ivoks> postconf smtpd_sasl_type
[10:27] <ivoks> postconf smtpd_sasl_auth_enable
[10:27] <arl> and the server greeting via telnet says "250-STARTTLS
[10:27] <arl> 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
[10:27] <arl> 250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN
[10:27] <arl> "
[10:28] <ivoks> paste the output of this comand
[10:28] <ivoks> postconf smtpd_sasl_path
[10:28] <ivoks> command
[10:28] <arl> smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth-client
[10:28] <ivoks> ok
[10:28] <ivoks> have you set that path in dovecot?
[10:29] <ivoks> auth default {
[10:29] <arl>  path = /var/spool/postfix/private/auth-client
[10:29] <ivoks> socket listen {
[10:29] <ivoks> ok, that's good
[10:29] <ivoks> mode, user and group?
[10:29] <arl> mode 0600
[10:29] <arl> user = postfix
[10:29] <ivoks> ok...
[10:29] <arl> group = postfix
[10:30] <ivoks> you might change mode to 0660
[10:30] <ivoks> but it should be the source of the problem
[10:30] <arl> ah sorry it is already 0660
[10:30] <ivoks> is your client misconfigured?
[10:30] <ivoks> maybe it sends mail over another smtp
[10:31] <arl> just a sec I will check (again)
[10:31] <arl> no imap and smtp server are the same
[10:32] <ivoks> does it use smtps or smtp?
[10:32] <arl> well smtp with ssl support so I think it is smtps
[10:33] <ivoks> and there is nothing in mail.log?
[10:33] <ivoks> not even an error?
[10:33] <arl> no nothing
[10:33] <ivoks> it should be error at least
[10:33] <arl> even with smtpd_tls_loglevel = 4'
[10:33] <arl> and a "-v" in master.cf
[10:34] <ivoks> well, you should have info about establishing connection
[10:34] <ivoks> if there's no such thing, your client isn't connecting to the server
[10:34] <arl> yes I can see that my client loggs in via imaps
[10:34] <arl> but nothiung about the smtp thing
[10:34] <ivoks> well, we are talking about postfix here
[10:34] <arl> yes
[10:35] <ivoks> do you see connectiong attempt when you telnet to port 25?
[10:35] <arl> yes
[10:35] <ivoks> how about port 465?
[10:36] <arl> Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[10:36] <ivoks> so, not smtps on your server
[10:36] <ivoks> s/not/no/
[10:36] <arl> hmm
[10:36] <ivoks> TLS is one thing
[10:36] <ivoks> SSL is another
[10:36] <ivoks> TLS is being utilized over port 25
[10:36] <ivoks> while SSL over port 465
[10:36] <ivoks> check master.cf
[10:37] <ivoks> you should have:
[10:37] <ivoks> smtps     inet  n       -       -       -       -       smtpd
[10:37] <ivoks> uncommented
[10:38] <arl> ok now it accepts telnet 465
[10:39] <ivoks> now try sending email
[10:40] <arl> no success
[10:40] <arl> but I got some errors in mail.log
[10:40] <ivoks> that's a good start
[10:40] <arl> SSL_accept:error in SSLv2/v3 read client hello A
[10:41] <ivoks> did you set up ssl corectly?
[10:42] <arl> I think so
[10:42] <arl> any ideas how I can check this?
[10:42] <ivoks> well, your mail should be delivered
[10:43] <ivoks> you might add this:
[10:43] <ivoks> smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = SSLv3, TLSv1
[10:43] <ivoks> smtpd_tls_mandatory_ciphers = medium
[10:44] <ivoks> but you mail should be delivered to destination
[10:44] <ivoks> that's just internal openssl buzz
[10:44] <arl> no success
[10:44] <ivoks> i think you won't see it once you remove verbose logging
[10:45] <arl> why this?
[10:46] <ivoks> is this what you see?
[10:46] <ivoks> http://www.irbs.net/internet/postfix/0211/2722.html
[10:48] <arl> wait a sec I am searching a no paste service
[10:48] <arl> http://nopaste.debianforum.de/22346
[10:49] <ivoks> paste.ubuntu.com
[10:49] <ivoks> reduce logging
[10:51] <arl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/197559/
[10:51] <arl> this "warning" could be a problem
[10:53] <ivoks> that could be problem with certificates
[10:54] <arl> but when i disable tls / ssl I can'T send
[10:55] <arl> hmm maybe I should rest the server and start over again
[10:56] <ivoks> how did you create certificates?
[10:57] <arl> with the instructions on this guid https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[10:58] <ivoks> those are good instructions
[11:00] <ivoks> set it up to work without ssl/tls first
[11:01] <arl> yes I think I will start over again. and confirm function after every configuration step
[12:00] <stapel> how do I log a user in automatically at startup?
[12:01] <_ruben> i highly doubt that you'd want that on a server .. and i dont think its even possible
[12:01] <stapel> i want to run a curses based interactive script at start-up in text mode. I have already disabled X at start-up and added the script at start-up, but it does not run. If I start gdm and run it in a console it works. Any ideas?
[12:05] <_ruben> this isn't a server then, is it? as servers dont run X
[12:10] <stapel> no it isn't, it is desktop edition, but i have disabled X at start-up. I want to present the user with a menu from where they can do some basic things or then select an option to boot into the GUI
[12:11] <stapel> the #ubuntu room was not very helpful, that's why i came here :)
[12:15] <twb> stapel: if you're using GDM, you need to grovel through /etc/gdm and similar, or possibly look at GDM's graphical configuration tool
[12:15] <twb> stapel: I can't be bothered looking up the details for you.
[12:17] <_ruben> putting an interactive script in rc.local might just do the trick ..never tried
[12:17] <stapel> twb: I am not using gdm. I have disabled gdm by doing 'sudo mv S30gdm K30gdm' in the /etc/rc2.d/ directory
[12:17] <stapel> ruben: thanx...will look into it
[12:19] <twb> _ruben: it does
[12:19] <twb> I have this in /etc/rc.local on my Debian Sid netbook:
[12:19] <twb> env -i su twb -c xinit >/var/log/xinit.log 2>&1 &
[12:20] <_ruben> that doesnt look very interactive to me though
[12:20] <twb> Sorry, I missed "interactive"
[12:21] <twb> For a menu of things to try, I recommend looking into what is done with the "single" option in recent releases
[12:21] <twb> It has options like "give me a root shell", "fix grub", "fix xorg"
[12:22] <stapel> what do you mean by "single" releases?
[12:22] <stapel> sorry "single option" in recent releases?
[12:23] <twb> stapel: the argument you provide on the kernel command line.
[12:23] <twb> Usually labelled "(rescue)" or something in grub.
[14:30] <arl> ok i have reinstalled everything and now it is working
[14:34] <ivoks> hehe
[14:34] <ivoks> it was probably a configuration issue
[14:39] <kirkland> ivoks: ping
[14:39] <kirkland> ivoks: you were looking for me yesterday, regarding dkms :-)
[14:41] <ivoks> yeah
[14:41] <ivoks> kirkland: do you see dkms as a solution for all packages that have kernel modules?
[14:42] <arl> I dont' know what the prolem was
[14:42] <arl> but as you can see - I take the time it needs :-)
[14:44] <kirkland> ivoks: heh, "all" is a pretty sweeping conclusion :-)
[14:44] <kirkland> ivoks: i have been very pleased with it for kvm
[14:44] <ivoks> kirkland: most :)
[14:44] <kirkland> ivoks: out-of-tree modules, do you mean?
[14:44] <ivoks> kirkland: i was thinking on pushing that as a 'rule'
[14:44] <ivoks> yes
[14:44] <kirkland> ivoks: well, you need to clarify that rule a little
[14:45] <kirkland> ivoks: obviously, its best for the module to be upstream in linux
[14:45] <kirkland> ivoks: in kvm's case, it is upstream
[14:45] <kirkland> ivoks: but the upstream one in Linux is inevitably older than the one under development by the kvm devs
[14:45] <ivoks> but you needed to update kvm in hardy, right?
[14:45] <kirkland> ivoks: right, and it works well for that
[14:45] <ivoks> so, we support LTS far longer than upstream want us to do
[14:46] <kirkland> ivoks: not all modules will build/work with dkms
[14:46] <kirkland> ivoks: the module has be relatively self contained for that to work
[14:46] <ivoks> of course
[14:47] <kirkland> ivoks: i think dkms is the best solution around for handling your request, though
[14:47] <kirkland> ivoks: i have only had to work around one issue, though ...
[14:47] <kirkland> ivoks: kernel headers are required
[14:47] <kirkland> ivoks: for all kernels that you want to build for
[14:48] <kirkland> ivoks: this sounds obvious
[14:48] <ivoks> right
[14:48] <magnetic__> hey guys, is there anybody working on the asterisk merge?
[14:48] <kirkland> ivoks: but it's not possible to put that into a debian/control depends rule
[14:48] <ivoks> kirkland: why not?
[14:48] <kirkland> magnetic__: probably best to ask in #ubuntu-motu
[14:49] <ivoks> oh, not for every kernel... right
[14:49] <kirkland> ivoks: right
[14:49] <magnetic__> kirkland: ok, thx
[14:49] <kirkland> ivoks: it would be nice to solve that, somehow, before making the "rule"
[14:50] <ivoks> shouldn't depending only on linux-headers be enough?
[14:50] <kirkland> ivoks: i hacked this in the kvm-source.postinst
[14:50] <kirkland> ivoks: kvm-source.postinst
[14:50] <kirkland> ivoks: http://pastebin.com/f2e55955c
[14:51] <kirkland> ivoks: i think the kernel team could solve this with yet another meta package
[14:52] <ivoks> kirkland: why doesn't kvm depend on linux-headers?
[14:52] <ivoks> that should be enough
[14:52] <ivoks> cause if you have installed linux-x.y.z-X-generic
[14:53]  * _ruben doesnt have good experience with such deps
[14:53] <ivoks> that would pull in linux-headers-generic
[14:53] <_ruben> does it?
[14:53] <ivoks> it should
[14:53] <_ruben> afair, it doesnt
[14:54] <ivoks> ah.. it doesn't
[14:54] <kirkland> ivoks: because the headers are hundreds of megs, which you don't need
[14:54] <_ruben> a major pita for dkms
[14:54] <kirkland> ivoks: see the control file for kvm
[14:54] <kirkland> ivoks: kvm-source Depends: debhelper (>= 5), make, bzip2, dkms, linux-headers-server | linux-headers-generic | linux-headers
[14:55] <ivoks> ok...
[14:55] <ivoks> that should pull in headers
[14:56] <kirkland> ivoks: right
[14:56] <ivoks> this could be simplified in karmic
[14:57] <ivoks> since we won't have -server and -generic
[14:57] <kirkland> ivoks: we don't?
[14:57] <kirkland> ivoks: sweet
[14:57] <ivoks> that's the plan, yes
[14:57] <ivoks> there's a discussion at kernel-team mailing list
[14:58] <ivoks> pae is the only problem
[15:26] <geekboxjockey> greetings, I am looking for a recommendation on a UPS to run with 8.04.2 server, we have used Tripplite "omni's" and have had horrible luck w/driver support, thinking about APC, just wanted to hear what people had to say. any input is greatly appreciated!
[15:27] <ivoks> apc has quite good support
[15:27] <ivoks> there's nut and apcuspd
[15:29] <geekboxjockey> yeah we have had horrible experiences with tripplite omnivs1000 & 1500 and nut
[15:30] <geekboxjockey> I'm sure there is an "industry standard" for this stuff, servers need UPS's and servers run Linux :P
[15:30] <geekboxjockey> have been looking into APC, anyone got a model they have had good luck with?
[15:30] <ivoks> well, powerware come with their own software
[15:31] <ivoks> i've used couple of apc models, and all were supported
[15:31] <ivoks> http://www.networkupstools.org/compat/stable.html
[15:31] <ivoks> this should be a good start
[15:33] <geekboxjockey> yeah, I'm hesitant because the OmniVS1000 was supposed to be "supported" and I ended up getting into modifying the driver and compiling it with some suggested changes etc
[15:33] <geekboxjockey> but APC sounds good esp with apcupsd being currently developed and specialized for a popular brand
[15:34] <ivoks> we prefere nut :)
[15:34] <geekboxjockey> yeah?
[15:34] <ivoks> it's in main
[15:34] <geekboxjockey> so itd be safe to go with APC and still use nut if possible?
[15:34] <ivoks> apcupsd is in universe
[15:34] <geekboxjockey> ahh, heh ;)
[15:38] <ivoks> take care...
[15:45] <geekboxjockey> sorry, thanks for the help :P
[15:46] <geekboxjockey> I'm just poking around on amazon now looking for deals on APC hardware ;)
[15:47] <geekboxjockey> ivoks: Thanks :)
[16:22] <th0m> to follow my yerteday problem,
[16:22] <th0m> perf problem in vmware beetwen DEBIAN and UBUNTU
[16:22] <th0m> ubuntu: [    4.112045] scsi target2:0:0: FAST-40 WIDE SCSI 80.0 MB/s ST (25 ns, offset 127)
[16:23] <th0m> debian : Jun 15 16:06:26 ns249-175 kernel:  target0:0:0: FAST-160 WIDE SCSI 320.0 MB/s DT IU RDSTRM RTI WRFLOW PCOMP (6.25 ns, offset 127)
[16:23] <th0m> anybody knows why ubuntu says 80 MB/s and debian, 160 ?
[16:23] <th0m> same config in vmware, and same hardware (a dell blade + iscsi san)
[16:35] <Sam-I-Am> th0m: does it actually mean anything?
[16:35] <Sam-I-Am> th0m: its just virtual hardware anyway
[16:41] <th0m> i dont have the same perf
[16:41] <th0m> performance
[16:43] <Sam-I-Am> the virtual machine's hardware is the same?
[16:43] <huats> soren: are you around ?
[16:44] <Sam-I-Am> there are two virtual scsi controllers offered by vmware
[16:44] <Sam-I-Am> also, is your virtual hardware the same version
[17:34] <mathiaz> kirkland: howdy
[17:34] <mathiaz> kirkland: it seems that there is an issue with sudo+encrypted home in karmic alpha2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/387997
[18:16] <ivoks> Canonical will announce on June 17 the certification of Ubuntu 9.04 Server Edition on HP's new ProLiant G6 servers, company officials said.
[18:16] <ivoks> is this true?
[18:18] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, heya master how's it going
[18:18] <ivoks> great, how are you?
[18:22] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, pretty got.. just got back from my trip
[18:22] <RoAkSoAx> s/got/doog
[18:23] <RoAkSoAx> good*
[18:23] <ivoks> nice
[18:23] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, so anyways, what's the status of the packages? and what about the mentorship
[18:24] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: i want to talk with you about versioning of packages
[18:24] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: other than that, i think you are ready for motu
[18:25] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok. shall we do it now, or when do you think we can talk about it?
[18:25] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: it would be easier over email
[18:25] <ivoks> cause of time difference and there will be lots of pasting
[18:26] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, yeah!! ok cool. let's do it over email. What about the HA packages?
[18:26] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: you do realize that HA is almost another software in 2.99 version?
[18:27] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: it can't do anything as a standalone
[18:27] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, yes I do realize that.. That's why HA needs Pacemaker starting from 2.99.x
[18:27] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: it's other way around
[18:27] <firecrotch> I have a ubuntu server running openvpn, and I'm trying to allow hosts on the local subnet to communicate with hosts on the VPN subnet.  The local machines and the server are both behind a dd-wrt router that is set up to route the packets from local machines that are destined for the VPN clients to the server, I just need the server to forward those packets to the correct hosts.  I've determined that I need to use iptables on th
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, how so?
[18:28] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: parts of heartbeat have been merged to pacemaker
[18:28] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: parts have been droped from heartbeat
[18:28] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: rest of it ended up as heartbeat 2.99
[18:29] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: so ha 2.99 can only be used as a messeging layer for pacemaker
[18:29] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, right, since Pacemaker is the Cluster Resource Manager and Heartbeat is only the one who delivers messages
[18:30] <ivoks> and we decided that pacemaker with hearbeat as messeging layer will be in universe
[18:30] <ivoks> pacemaker with openais will be supported solution
[18:31] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, right
[18:31] <ivoks> and, you are free to work on packages in ppa, of course
[18:32] <ivoks> :)
[18:33] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, haha ok cool. I just don't know where to start/what to do
[18:33] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: is there anything, packaging related, that you don't understand or need help with?
[18:34] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: my goal is to make openais, corosync versions 1.0 into karmic, if possible pacemaker with openais 1.0 as messaging layer into karmic
[18:34] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: rhcs with openais/corosync 1.0 into karmic
[18:34] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, yes I have doubts with debian/rules... and I would like to package layer7switch from scratch (which has a kernel module and userspace tools)
[18:34] <ivoks> everything else is optional for me :)
[18:35] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok so let's work on that goal, and as you said, we'll just leave heartbeat in universe and leave it usable
[18:35] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: layer7switch?
[18:35] <ivoks> does it change iptables modules?
[18:36] <ivoks> are you talking about l7-filter.sf.net?
[18:36] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, http://www.linux-l7sw.org/
[18:36] <ivoks> last release in 2007.
[18:37] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, yes it's another project from the keepalived team
[18:37] <ivoks> there's no point in packaging dead projects
[18:38] <ivoks> kernel modules from 2007 have big chances of not being buildable at all with recent kernels
[18:38] <ivoks> there's another, live, project
[18:38] <ivoks> l7-filter.sf.net
[18:39] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, I see. though keepalived also had a release on 2007 and then otherone in 2009 so it took them 2 years to do some bugfixes.. and I'm guessing that it might be the same status of this other project
[18:39] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: investigate that :)
[18:39] <ivoks> that's first step in packaging
[18:39] <ivoks> check out if the code is being maintained
[18:40] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, yes.. I had no time this past few days since i've been away from my computer.. I'll find it out and work in it if it's still active.. since one other thing that I would really like to do is to package something from scratch, that way I'll understand debian/rules better :)
[18:41] <ivoks> sure
[18:41] <ivoks> pick a project and start working on it
[18:41] <ivoks> if you get stuck, let me know
[18:41] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok cool :)
[18:42] <ivoks> but if you decide on linux-l7sw, don't be disapointed if it doesn't get accepted cause of maintainance status
[18:43] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, i won't.. i just want to learn how to package from scratch :)
[18:43] <ivoks> ok
[18:43] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, and I would also like to work on bugfixing and security udpates
[18:43] <ivoks> i'll send you an email about versioning
[18:44] <ivoks> security updates are special form of packaging
[18:44] <ivoks> find a patch, patch the code, send for upload
[18:44] <ivoks> :)
[18:45] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, well I'm also that security updates are just finding a patch upstream or in other distributions, applying it, testing it and summiting it... and some bugfixes might have that same procedure
[18:45] <ivoks> right... well, time for me to go off
[18:45] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok :) have a good night
[18:47] <ivoks> you too :)
[19:39] <fR_> hi, im trying to set up nfs+kerberos and am getting an error "Unable to obtain credentials for 'nfs'" when rpc.svcgssd tries to start
[19:39] <fR_> http://pastie.org/515446
[19:39] <fR_> i do have a keytab entry
[20:47] <ivoks> any samba gurus around?
[20:48] <nick125> Just try asking..maybe someone will know (I've worked a little with Samba as a PDC...but that's about it)
[20:49] <ivoks> well, i would like to authenticate against ldap
[20:51] <nick125> Oooh, fun. My standard advice would be to jump off a bridge, but the next best option would be to Google around a little. In the PDC I setup, it was authenticated against LDAP, so I might be able to help you if you have issues
[20:52] <ivoks> i know
[20:52] <ivoks> but i was thinking
[20:52] <ivoks> if i store passwords in ldap in cleartext format
[20:52] <ivoks> then samba could read them and it would know the password
[20:53] <ivoks> could it crypt it to NTLM and compare it with the hash that windows are sending?
[20:53] <ivoks> why do i need another attribute in ldap with same password, only crypted?
[20:55] <mathiaz> ivoks: the userPassword field in ldap is not clear text
[20:55] <ivoks> it can be
[20:55] <ivoks> mathiaz: ldap can store password in couple of different formats
[20:55] <Threetimes> Hi I just successfully installed spamassasin. How do I place spam-flagged mails in a seperate IMAP mailbox? I use postfix with maildir. I think I have to use procmail, but I don't know if I configured it correctly.
[20:55] <ivoks> one of them is cleartext
[20:55] <mobj> does someone know when nut 2.4 will be available in hardy?
[20:55] <nick125> You'll need two hashes. That's it.
[20:56] <mathiaz> ivoks: really - I though that slapd would actually convert internally the new password and store it as a hash in userPassword
[20:56] <ivoks> nick125: why? samba obviously can encode plaintext password into ntlm (smbpasswd)
[20:56] <nick125> One NTLM, one normal crypt (or whatever is default). There are some scripts/plugins/whatnot to syncrhonize the two passwords, though.
[20:56] <ivoks> mathiaz: {plaintext}mypassword
[20:57] <guntbert> Threetimes: just to clarify (I'm no expert here): what imap server are you using?
[20:57] <Threetimes> dovecot
[20:58] <mathiaz> ivoks: well then my answer is that the samba code doesn't support that natively
[20:58] <ivoks> mathiaz: i know it doesn't
[20:58] <mathiaz> ivoks: the code is probably expecting a specific schema/attribute and does all the password update itself
[20:58] <mathiaz> ivoks: so you may have to hack the samba code to do the right thing
[20:58] <ivoks> that's why i asked, maybe someone thought about that
[21:00] <guntbert> Threetimes: sorry, I didn't think about that before - so I'm gonna read/learn with you :-)
[21:01] <ivoks> {CLEARTEXT}  indicates  that the new password should be added to userPassword as clear text.
[21:03] <mathiaz> ivoks: hm - does samba have access to the cleartext password from the user?
[21:04] <ivoks> any user?
[21:04] <ivoks> sorry... yes, it does
[21:04] <ivoks> it can read ldap attributes
[21:04] <mathiaz> ivoks: hm - I don't know - I'm not familiar enough with the samba protocol architecture
[21:05] <ivoks> it reads attribute of windows password and compares it with the on that client sent
[21:05] <ivoks> so, instead of just reading cleartext password, do smbpasswd on it, catch the result and compare it with the client
[21:05] <ewook> hurmpf. any one used a fax/answering-machine setup?
[21:06] <ewook> like a nice mix of mgetty and hylafax
[21:09] <ewook> !mgetty
[21:11] <guntbert> !info mgetty
[21:11] <ewook> thx guntbert
[21:11] <guntbert> ewook: :)
[21:16] <ewook> aw man. what have I gotten myself into..
[21:17] <ewook> bying a compatible card for asterisk just seems more tempting..
[21:19] <fR_> btw my earlier problem was caused by FQDN not being listed first in /etc/hosts.
[21:24] <mobj> does someone know when nut 2.4 will be available in hardy?
[21:26] <ivoks> never?
[21:28] <ivoks> night
[21:33] <Sam-I-Am> jmarsden: you there?
[21:48] <Kalmairn> Afternoon.  Got a strange NAT problem that started when I took an fully-functional script from a REALLY old Gentoo installation and moved to a Ubuntu LTS Server version.
[21:48] <Kalmairn> It seems that, on occasion and consistently for specific sites, the NAT table will lose or ignore sessions; the result is return traffic from internet-side hosts will not be NAT'ed back to the client destination IP rather hitting the INPUT chain on the firewall itself.
[21:51] <ewook> yay. this is gonna be a nightmare.
[23:07] <PleXs> anyone using kvm + virt-manager?
[23:10] <soren> Sure.
[23:11] <PleXs> soren, can you select hypervisor kvm ?
[23:11] <soren> Sure.
[23:11] <PleXs> hmm your also using ubuntu server 9.04 ?
[23:11] <soren> Which architecture have you chosen?
[23:12] <PleXs> hmm seems to be fixed now
[23:13] <PleXs> soren, but when connecting in virt-machine is it qemu?
[23:14] <PleXs> I get under ID qemu but when creating new machine i can choose for kvm now (after reinstalling)
[23:31] <soren> PleXs: The "qemu" hypervisor manages both kvm and qemu guests.
[23:31] <PleXs> ah ok :)
[23:32] <PleXs> soren, you got idea how I can add usb printer support? :)
[23:32] <soren> Not really. If I were you, I'd share it over regular CUPS or Samba and install it as a network printer in the guest.
[23:35] <PleXs> not possible :)
[23:35] <PleXs> printer only works on windows
[23:36] <PleXs> because driver issue's on linux
[23:36] <PleXs> :(
[23:52] <JanC> PleXs: qemu supports usb forwarding IIRC, so will probably also work with kvm
[23:52] <JanC> but maybe not from withing virt-manager
[23:53] <JanC> -usbdevice option
[23:55] <PleXs> JanC, I can remember adjusting something in xml file :)
[23:56] <PleXs> <hostdev mode='subsystem' type='usb'>
[23:56] <PleXs> adding this
[23:56] <PleXs> and more.. but my vm machine did disappear :S
[23:56] <PleXs> in virt-manager


[01:48]  * rww ponders putting a wolfbot in -release-party
[01:48] <rww> (not very seriously)
[03:39] <Corey> rww_: loller is a known irritant.
[03:39] <rww_> thanks
[04:38] <Jordan_U> rww_: The ban was for the nick.
[04:40] <rww_> Jordan_U: you probably want to look at -ot then
[04:40] <rww_> oh, you're not an op in there. nvm :<
[05:17] <soreau> Hey guys I was playing around in #ubuntu-release-party and I got banned but I kinda wanted to be there for the release. Apparently, I overstepped the rules of conduct mistakenly but I didn't realize that and now I was wondering if I can get unbanned from there
[05:25] <Jordan_U> rww_: Ping ^^
[05:26] <rww_> Jordan_U: I suspect soreau doesn't particularly want to talk to me.
[05:26] <soreau> rww_: Why do you think that?
[05:27] <rww_> heh
[05:27] <rww_> Okay, let's start with me then.
[05:27] <rww_> soreau: No, you can't get unbanned from #ubuntu-release-party.
[05:28] <soreau> Well I don't think it's fair what you banned me for since it was a rather dumb comment
[05:29] <rww_> You were removed from the channel yesterday for sexist comments, and thus well aware that they're against CoC. You did it again today. I thus banned you for a few hours. You followed this up with rambling in PM to at least one of our operators and abusing me in ##club-ubuntu rather than being reasonable about the situation, which has further decreased my confidence that you are able to behave acceptably.
[05:30] <rww_> Therefore, your "few hours" ban is now until #u-r-p closes and we wipe the banlist.
[05:30] <soreau> Well I think 'sexist' is a very strong word here..
[05:30] <rww_> I don't.
[05:30] <Jordan_U> I don't.
[05:31] <soreau> Jordan_U: Did you review the context at all?
[05:32] <Jordan_U> soreau: I saw the context from the ban tracker.
[05:32] <rww_> !away > nekohayo_away
[05:33] <soreau> Jordan_U: Ok well I still think 'sexist' is not the right term. I was talking to a bot..
[05:34] <Jordan_U> soreau: ubottu said "Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)" you responded with "ubottu: I should have known since you're a girl and all"
[05:34] <maco> what
[05:35] <Jordan_U> You may have been "talking to a bot" but you were implying that women are not intelligent.
[05:35] <soreau> Jordan_U: Right, I had just found out that she was deemed a 'girl' and I made a snide comment
[05:35] <soreau> And also it's just a -party channel so I didn't mean anything by it..
[05:36] <Jordan_U> soreau: It was offensive, and you have been warned in the past. Being a party channel does not excuse offensive comments.
[05:37] <soreau> Jordan_U: I wasn't warned, I was kicked with a smile, for something that was assumed, so I did not think it was a problem
[05:37] <rww_> No, you weren't.
[05:38] <soreau> I mean it's not a big deal if you guys think it's that serious but I've already waited a few hours, which to me, means 3
[05:39] <soreau> But I was never warned previously
[05:39] <rww_> previously to what?
[05:39] <soreau> Previously to your ban
[05:40] <rww_> I made it abundantly clear yesterday that sexism is not acceptable in that channel. You knew that it wasn't to the point that you refused to admit what you were coyly talking about.
[05:40] <soreau> If someone would have warned me, then I would not have done it
[05:40] <Jordan_U> 2011-04-27T02:54:08 *** soreau (soreau!~soreau@unaffiliated/soreau) has left #ubuntu-release-party (requested by rww (Sexism is a violation of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct and is not acceptable in #ubuntu*))
[05:40] <rww_> Your ban will not be removed at this time. If you for some reason feel the need to appeal a ban in a party channel that's only open for a week or two per cycle, please contact the IRCC. Have a nice day.
[05:40] <rww_> !appeals
[05:40] <soreau> rww_: Yes I was joking around in a party channel. I didn't know you guys would be this strict
[05:41] <rww_> soreau: Goodnight.
[05:41] <soreau> Also appeals is not valid here due to the time constraints
[05:41] <soreau> rww_: night
[05:41] <soreau> So can someone please unban me from #ubuntu-release-party?
[05:41] <rww_> soreau: Okay. Feel free to not, then. Either way, you're done here.
[05:42] <soreau> rww_: I thought you were going to bed..
[05:42] <maco> soreau: read his "good night" like a brit saying "Good DAY, SIR!"
[05:42] <soreau> maco: Well the reason I'm here is because I don't agree with his decision
[05:42] <soreau> and I've waited a few hours already
[05:43] <rww_> Let's go through the nifty webpage ubottu linked you to.
[05:43] <rww_> Step 1) lolno, that didn't work. Step 2) nope. Step 3) nope. Step 4) You are here!
[05:45] <rww> !notreally-#ubuntu-offtopic > buhman
[05:45] <cdbs> rww: Okay, now I know why the bot acts so humane, you control it from -ops-monitor :)
[05:46] <rww> cdbs: ;)
[05:46] <maco> so's ya know, if you're hoping for a third op to come forward for step 3... i'm going to agree with rww & Jordan_U on this one
[05:47] <soreau> Jordan_U: Oh yes you're right, did not see that message..
[05:50]  * rww thwaps PartyBot1
 come suc* my ball* ?
[06:03] <Tm_T> soreau: here's fourth op agreeing the decision, something else we can help you with?
[06:03] <ashmew2> request unban from ubuntu-release-party , used a phrase which was unacceptable , please unban ?
[06:04] <bazhang> ashmew2, before that your were spamming the bot as well
[06:04] <ashmew2> bazhang: ... wont happen again
[06:04] <bazhang> ashmew2, you're right
[06:04] <ashmew2> bazhang: it was showing different dates
[06:04] <soreau> Tm_T: I'm in the process of 4) for appeals
[06:04] <ashmew2> bazhang: no i dont like being right...unban me , ill abide by the rules
[06:05] <bazhang> ashmew2, not now
[06:05] <ashmew2> bazhang: when ?
[06:05] <bazhang> ashmew2, come back in 24 hrs
[06:05] <ashmew2> bazhang: but the party will be started in that time
[06:05] <ashmew2> ..
[06:05] <bazhang> ashmew2, bad luck for you then
[06:05] <Tm_T> soreau: ok, this channel won't be dealing this matter further, if you like to proceed, send an email to the irc council
[06:05] <ashmew2> bazhang: another chance wont hurt
[06:06] <ashmew2> bazhang: ill abide , or u can permanently ban me
[06:06] <soreau> Tm_T: Ok
[06:06] <bazhang> ashmew2, sorry, you wont be unbanned.
[06:06] <ashmew2> bazhang: You could cut the time down a little.
[06:07] <ashmew2> bazhang: never mind , guess i earned it, thanks and sorry.
[06:11] <rww> so can we make a countdown clock for 20 hours or so from now and then just pretend it got released early ;)?
[06:14] <maco> for the last timezone on the planet?
[06:14] <rww> that works better, I just couldn't be bothered doing the math
[06:16] <maco> theres a -12UTC
[06:16] <rww> @now Samoa
[06:16] <tsimpson> the @now command is disabled
[06:17] <maco> so say 2300 in -12 is.... 1100 UTC on friday
[06:17] <tsimpson> at least until fri or sat
[06:17] <rww> tsimpson: ah, good :)
[06:17] <cdbs> Wait a sec, when will -release-announce open?
[06:20] <tonyyarusso> cdbs: It's -release-party
[06:20] <tonyyarusso> and it already is
[06:21] <cdbs> tonyyarusso: Another channel usually comes up, -release-announce
[06:21] <tsimpson> there is a -release-announce too, that's +m
[06:21] <cdbs> tonyyarusso: I know about -release-party
[06:21] <tsimpson> it's currently +i too though
[06:21] <cdbs> ah, explains why I can't join it
[06:21] <tonyyarusso> oh, we did do that last time
[06:21] <tonyyarusso> I guess we'll see if it seems appropriate.
[06:22] <tonyyarusso> A hilight on the release manager seems easier.
[06:22] <rww> I don't think we need it this release. It doesn't feel busy enough.
[06:22] <Narwhal> bazhang: is it really worth to continue banning ashmew? what I mean is how bad was the offence?
[06:23] <bazhang> Narwhal, your call. I'm off to work. unabated spamming and sexual language
[06:23] <cdbs> My contract of working on Unity ends today, I'll be more into Irc work from now onwards
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> rww: That was my leaning
[06:24] <Narwhal> bazhang: I trust your judgement
[06:35] <HereForBuntuRele> is hoober black-listed from downloading 11.04?
[06:36] <Corey> ...
[06:36] <Corey> HereForBuntuRele: No.
[06:36] <HereForBuntuRele> restricted from the party? but am i blacklisted from that
[06:36] <Corey> Go play.
[06:36] <HereForBuntuRele> ok
[06:36] <Corey> Sorry if I overstepped there. :-)
[06:37] <tsimpson> nope, that's fine :)
[06:37] <Narwhal> nope
[06:37] <rww> For what it's worth, my current policy on Bryan Roo involves banning him on sight from any channel I have ops in. Apologies if that steps on anyone's toes.
[06:37] <Corey> I was wondering when something like that'd happen.  There's a certain subset of our users that are... yeah.
[06:37] <Narwhal> rww: nope
[06:45] <tsimpson> anyone have any thoughts on disabling Bantracker in -r-p?
[06:45] <tsimpson> I don't think it's really useful in that channel personally
[06:46] <rww> please do
[06:46] <rww> all the kicks are a waste of space :)
[06:46] <Narwhal> disable it
[06:46] <Narwhal> all the bans get cleared anyway
[06:47] <tsimpson> it's (hopefully) disabled there now
[06:47] <rww> looks like it
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> agreed
[06:48] <tsimpson> good, that should save me ~50 MB on the bantracker database :)
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> The banlist will probably fill up and have to be cleared in a few hours anyway.
[06:48] <Narwhal> oh I was guinea pig
[06:48] <Narwhal> happy to be of service
[06:50] <tonyyarusso> I think my favorite -r-p comment so far was along the lines of "Yes, 10.10 is out!"
[06:51] <Narwhal> heh
[06:59] <tonyyarusso> There's a chance skaet might stop by for a briefing about IRC workings to prepare for being in -r-p for announcement time, so if I'm not around to do that someone explain the "Mess with people for a few hours, go away to finish work, +m channel, announce, -m, partay" process.
[07:00] <rww> nod
[07:29] <elky> eh? i missed it?
[07:29] <rww> missed what
[07:29] <elky> release?
[07:29] <rww> no
[07:29] <elky> ok good
[07:29]  * rww tosses elky a rifle and sends her out into the field
[07:29] <rww> good luck, soldier!
[07:29]  * elky is on work premises.
[07:30] <elky> that place is so not worksafe.
[07:30] <elky> or 3g safe unfortunately. I couldn't even maintain a connection for more than 5 seconds last night.
[07:32] <rww> repeated offtopic ^
[07:32] <rww> elky: oh well. We only got two ban complaints thusfar anyway. quiet release thusfar
[07:33] <Narwhal> problem solved
[07:38] <rww> http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/irccountall/_ubuntu_release_party-week.png :D
[07:57] <maco> ubottu: !arb is <reply> The Application Review Board is responsible for vetting applications to be added to stable releases through the Post-Release Apps Process -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostReleaseApps/Process
[09:20]  * Jordan_U goes to sleep, hopefully missing most of the chaos.
[10:24] <BarbaraNotBush> got asked to go here?
[10:24] <jussi> BarbaraNotBush: dont stress
[10:24] <BarbaraNotBush> ?
[10:24] <jussi> BarbaraNotBush: We are watching - they sent you here because you wanted someone removed
[10:24] <BarbaraNotBush> it was a "scare" hehe
[10:25] <jussi> BarbaraNotBush: no probs. have fun at the party :)
[10:25] <BarbaraNotBush> ty :)
[10:25] <jussi> BarbaraNotBush: please dont idle here :)
[10:27] <BarbaraNotBush> can you kick me please? nothing happends when i click the x on this webirc
[10:27] <BarbaraNotBush> nvm i should reload it
[10:27] <knome> :)
[10:31] <tsimpson> I'm pretty sure I banned that person a while ago
[10:31] <tsimpson> Barbarabush
[10:32] <knome> lol
[10:32] <knome> she was not bush
[10:32] <knome> :P
[10:59] <tsimpson> anyone want to op-up in -r-p and stop me from going completely insane?
[11:07] <mrmist> tsimpson: I can help out if there's no other real ops around. What's your criteria?
[11:07] <Incarus6> tsimpson, what happened?
[11:07] <jussi> mrmist: I think we are ok atm, but if noone is around, see topic :)
[11:07] <mrmist> cool
[11:08] <tsimpson> mrmist: links to anything that looks like a natty release gets a ban basically
[11:09] <Incarus6> tsimpson, the page changed, its not beta2 anymore.. btw I was helping ppl with issues and not talking about natty
[11:09] <mrmist> it's interestingly busy in there.
[11:10] <jussi> mrmist: normal, sadly :P
[11:10] <mrmist> heh
[11:10] <tsimpson> Incarus6: is it difficult to understand that when we say "don't post links", you should not post links...
[11:11] <Incarus6> tsimpson, no one said that. But thanks for banning, I was talking about chromium and sait Natty isn't released yet all the time
 linxfreaker, its released, but not in the repo yet
[11:12] <tsimpson> Incarus6: was that about chrome?
[11:14] <Incarus6> Im not here to discuss about that. I just wanted to ask you if you could revert the ban that I can help the irc users to fix their ubuntu (10.10) related issues. im not in #ubuntu to talk about natty (latest release is still 10.10), I was just pointing you to the fact, that this link changed
[11:21] <Incarus6> IS that ban for just one day?
[11:21] <tsimpson> in this instance, yes
[11:26] <Incarus6> Seems to be an overreaction to me - I know, it's allways stress when a knew release is coming out - btu check the log, I never said Natty is released. (e.g.: [11:43:52] <Incarus6> cleared cache, can't confirm that. Its Beta2), but Im not here to discuss about that now. good day
[12:01] <babarabush> hey i just got banned for being right
[12:01] <babarabush> eat that tsimpson
[12:01] <babarabush> official by ubuntu.com
[12:01] <tsimpson> yeah, that'll work
[12:02] <jrib> 11.04 is out at ubuntu.com now but I don't see an announcement
[12:09] <Flannel> Someone made a mistake, one way or the other :)
[12:09] <Flannel> and also, this is a really early release time
[12:09] <jrib> yep
[12:09] <wgrant> Not really a mistake.
[12:10] <wgrant> The website is always pushed early.
[12:10] <Flannel> wgrant: but not the actual 11.04 downloads
[12:10] <jrib> "The requested URL /releases//natty/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso was not found on this server."
[12:10] <wgrant> On the website? Yes.
[12:11] <Flannel> Oh interesting.
[12:11] <Flannel> I just had it ask me if I wanted to save it, but now I try again, and get a 404
[12:11] <wgrant> It's not on every mirror yet.
[12:11] <jrib> yeah, it probably chooses mirrors at random and the mirrors aren't up to date
[12:11] <Flannel> Oh, different mirrors, right.
[12:13] <elky> You mean there's no magic button that updates a hundred places? There goes that dream.
[12:13] <wgrant> They're slowly syncing.
[12:21] <elky> tsimpson, ...
[12:22] <tsimpson> yes?
[12:25] <jrib> #ubuntu+1 is +i?
[12:25] <tsimpson> yes
[12:25] <jrib> why?
[12:26] <tsimpson> because all the discussion in there was about links to ISOs etc
[12:26] <jrib> but where are people seeking support with 11.04 supposed to go?
[12:26] <tsimpson> tbh, I was planning on only making it +i for a few mins, I must have just forgotten
[12:28] <vibhav> why was i banned from #ubuntu-release-party!!
[12:30] <paranox> vibhav: you are annoying
[12:30] <vibhav> What did i do paranox?
[12:30] <paranox> vibhav: are you the release manager
[12:30] <paranox> i wanna bash the release manager
[12:30] <vibhav> No
[12:31] <vibhav> The Ubuntu Webiste says Its released
[12:31] <paranox> apparently he is holding off on releasing 11.04 until next week
[12:31] <paranox> the ubuntu website is an idiot
[12:31] <vibhav> then please unbann me
[12:32] <paranox> `unban vibhav
[12:32] <paranox> there you go
[12:32] <ikonia> enough
[12:33] <vibhav> I am banned still
[12:33] <vibhav> paranox I am banned still
[12:33] <paranox> vibhav: are you sure?
[12:33] <ikonia> paranox: is not an op here
[12:33] <paranox> try again
[12:33] <ikonia> paranox: please stop
[12:33] <paranox> ikonia: is not an op here
[12:33] <vibhav> what to do?
[12:33] <bazhang> paranox, thats enough
[12:33] <ikonia> paranox: do you need anything from this channel ?
[12:33] <ikonia> paranox: I am voiced to show I am - you are not
[12:33] <ikonia> vibhav: hang on a minute
[12:33] <paranox> ikonia: voice me
[12:34] <vibhav> I am banned still now...
[12:34] <ikonia> paranox: no - do you need anything from this channel
[12:34] <paranox> ikonia: how does being voiced show you are an op?
[12:34] <ikonia> vibhav: please hang on a minute
[12:34] <paranox> wouldn't being an op show you are an op?
[12:34] <vibhav> ikonia : ok
[12:34] <ikonia> paranox: that is how this channel is setup - that's not for debate
[12:34] <ikonia> paranox: do you need anything from this channel, yes/no ?
[12:34] <vibhav> paranox why are you arguining
[12:34] <ikonia> vibhav: please - wait a minute
[12:34] <paranox> ikonia: does that mean there are 57 ops in here?
[12:34] <paranox> ikonia: yes
[12:34] <vibhav> ikonia : i am waiting
[12:34] <ikonia> paranox: what do you need ?
[12:34] <ikonia> vibhav: thanks, please wait quietly - we'll get to you asap
[12:34] <paranox> ikonia: i need to know why there are 57 ops in this channel
[12:35] <ikonia> paranox: there are as many as voiced
[12:35] <ikonia> paranox: anything else ?
[12:36] <paranox> ikonia: can you voice me?
[12:36] <paranox> please?
[12:36] <ikonia> paranox: no - you're not an op
[12:36] <paranox> ikonia: are you an op?
[12:36] <ikonia> vibhav: you're unbanned from #ubuntu-release-party
[12:36] <ikonia> paranox: yes,
[12:36] <paranox> ikonia: so can you make me an op too?
[12:36] <vibhav> ikonia : thanks!
[12:36] <vibhav> Can i also be an OP
[12:36] <ikonia> paranox: no
[12:36] <ikonia> no
[12:37] <vibhav> Cannot join #ubuntu-release-party (You are banned).
[12:37] <vibhav> still banned
[12:37] <ikonia> vibhav: I'll check again
[12:37] <paranox> ikonia: is #ubuntu-ops-monitor the channel that monitors the ops in #ubuntu-ops that monitors the ops in #ubuntu?
[12:37] <ikonia> vibhav: try now
[12:37] <paranox> sorry my connection dropped out
[12:37] <vibhav> DONE!
[12:37] <paranox> ikonia: is #ubuntu-ops-monitor the channel that monitors the ops in #ubuntu-ops that monitors the ops in #ubuntu?
[12:37] <vibhav> thanks!
[12:37] <tsimpson> paranox: no, you were removed
[12:38] <paranox> what do you mean removed?
[12:38] <paranox> you can't control my computer?
[12:38] <paranox> are yo
[12:38] <paranox> do you control my computer?
[12:38] <ikonia> paranox: I think we are done here
[12:38] <ikonia> paranox: please leave this channel
[12:38] <paranox> tsimpson:
[12:38] <tsimpson> no, it makes you part a channel
[12:38] <tsimpson> like a kick
[12:38] <paranox> how can something make me aprt a channel?
[12:38] <ikonia> paranox: it's irc, read irc.freenode.net
[12:38] <paranox> i thought only ops could kick me
[12:38] <ikonia> paranox: tsimpson IS an op
[12:39] <paranox> what is irc?
[12:39] <paranox> where am i?
[12:39] <paranox> ikonia: i thought you were the op
[12:39] <ikonia> can we stop this messing around please, leave the channel
[12:39] <tsimpson> if there's nothing specific you want to discuss, you should leave paranox
[12:39] <paranox> ikonia: i don't know how
[12:39] <ikonia> thanks
[12:44] <knome> !isitout
[12:44] <tsimpson> !no isitout is <reply> Yes, join #ubuntu-release-party to celebrate!
[12:44] <knome> :)
[12:44] <elky> ok that's pretty messed up. soreau seems to have scripted himself up
[12:44] <ikonia> ?
[12:44] <bazhang> op?
[12:45] <LjL> scripted himself up?
[12:45] <elky> he joined within seconds, and every 10 seconds was doing a factoid call to either downloads or torrents
[12:45] <jussi> ahh dammit
[12:45] <jussi> I missed the release
[12:45] <Flannel> jussi: by seconds!
[12:46] <LjL> me too
[12:46] <elky> by *minutes*
[12:46] <LjL> well actually i didn't
[12:46] <bazhang> microseconds!
[12:46] <Flannel> many many nanoseconds!
[12:46] <bazhang> hehe
[12:46] <knome> jussi, now you'll have to wait for oneiric!
[12:46] <jussi> lol
[12:47] <Flannel> Alright, once again, the website gives no ability to download torrents or alt CD.     Why does the website slide backwards with every release.
[12:47] <elky> only 6 months
[12:48] <ikonia> soreau's stopped
[12:48] <ikonia> just removed the q for a test
[12:48] <LjL> by the way, i know it's not usually how it works, but if you want to give me temporary access in #ubuntu to help dealing with the increased load, i'm in (though i can really only do policing, it's been too many releases since what i'm running for me to be able to help in any meaningful way)
[12:49] <wgrant> Flannel: You mean the "alternative downloads" link?
[12:50] <tsimpson> LjL: btw, did you notice FloodBot1 kicked FloodBot2 from #ubuntu-unregged earlier?
[12:52] <LjL> tsimpson: O.o
[12:52] <tsimpson> LjL: actually PartyBot1 did the kicking
[12:52] <LjL> tsimpson: during a +i masskick?
[12:52] <LjL> oh
[12:52] <tsimpson> my eyes need washing
[12:52] <LjL> well partybot is silly, shouldn't even really stay opped
[12:56] <jussi> LjL: until monday. be good: [28-Apr-11 14:56:01] [ChanServ] Flags +votiA were set on LjL in #ubuntu.
[12:59] <LjL> jussi: have i ever been anything but an angel :3
[12:59] <jussi> hehe
[12:59] <knome> according to the smiley, a walrus
[13:00] <LjL> i am the eggman they are the eggmen i am the walrus!
[13:00] <bazhang> rgr is getting annoying
[13:02] <ikonia> agreed
[13:23] <Pici> I forwarded #ubuntu+1 to #ubuntu
[13:25] <topyli> obvously it's out, my desktop just stopped working
[13:26] <knome> haha
[13:26] <jussi> heh
[13:28] <LjL> botmasters, might want to change !info to point to natty
[13:29] <Pici> I just upadated !natty and !maverick
[13:30] <LjL> pici is stuck in a factory factory!
[13:30] <LjL> factoid, even
[13:32] <jussi> !info bash
[13:32] <jussi> :)
[13:32]  * LjL should update !offline
[13:32] <Pici> @config channel #ubuntu plugins.packageinfo.defaultrelease
[13:32] <Pici> jussi: ^
[13:33] <Incarus6> pls ban "[14:32:29] <zfk> I SAID SAUSAGE MCMUFFIN YOU FAGGOTS NOT SAUSAGE MCGRIDDLE" in #ubuntu
[13:33] <Pici> Incarus6: Hes been muted already.
[13:33] <jussi> @config channel #ubuntu plugins.packageinfo.defaultrelease natty
[13:34] <Incarus6> thx, good day
[13:34] <jussi> stupid channel specific ones :P
[13:34] <Pici> jussi: -offtopic still seems to be using maverick.  Odd.
[13:34] <jussi> hrm, I wonder how w3e drop the channel specific stuff..
[13:34] <jussi> must find out
[13:36] <jussi> @config channel #ubuntu-offtopic plugins.packageinfo.defaultrelease
[13:36] <jussi> @config channel #ubuntu-offtopic plugins.packageinfo.defaultrelease natty
[13:36] <jussi> sigh
[13:36] <jussi> if anyone notices others...
[13:38] <LjL> are we pushing the use of metalinks in any way?
[13:38] <LjL> they're cool
[13:39] <jussi> metalinks?
[13:39] <LjL> jussi: they're files that contain several links of various types (HTTP, torrent...) to the same file. http://releases.ubuntu.com/ has them. they can be opened using aria2c
[13:39] <LjL> !info aria2
[13:40] <LjL> jussi: it downloads from several sources at a time, helps to load balance and uses bittorrent transparently
[13:40] <LjL> http://www.metalinker.org/
[13:41] <jussi> ahh, interesting
[13:42] <LjL> and i can testify that aria2c works very well, never got a corrupted download from it myself
[13:42]  * jussi corrupts LjL's downloads :P
[13:44] <Pici> Remember that 9.10's EOL is tomorrow.
[13:51] <maco> !natty
[13:51] <maco> woah confusing
[13:51] <maco> its updated here but not in #ubuntu?
[13:52] <Pici> maco: They called !ubuntu+1
[13:52] <maco> ooo
[13:52] <maco> !ubuntu+1
[13:52] <Pici> (I just fixed it)
[13:52] <maco> oh
[14:01] <Pici> How do people feel about the !gnome3-#ubuntu+1 factioid migrating to #ubuntu?
[14:04] <LjL> Pici: i'd keep it, people are going to ask and demand an answer anyway... as long as it clearly says it's dangerous and unsupported, meh, caveat emptor
[14:05] <LjL> maybe make it DANGEROUS instead of _dangerous_, mostly because i hate underscores :P
[14:05] <knome> hah
[14:05] <knome> make it dangerous :P
[14:12] <LjL> actually back then i had made a metalink factoid, it seems
[14:12] <LjL> !metalink
[14:12] <LjL> well, factoid and wikipage
[14:13] <LjL> can i add the wiki page to the party topic?
[14:13] <Pici> I don't see why not
[14:14] <jussi> go for it
[14:17] <LjL> Natty added to wiki, topic changed
[14:19] <jussi> ugh... who added the mock the voiced part?
[14:21] <LjL> jussi: why don't you guess
[14:21] <jussi> LjL: Its not funny, please dont put it on.
[14:21] <LjL> u ppl have no sense of fun :(
[14:23] <LjL> why two bots in party?
[14:24] <Pici> I was just going to ask that
[14:25] <jussi> curious
[14:25] <Pici> I told ubottu to leave.
[14:31] <bazhang> rgr seems to still be spreading misinfo
[14:32]  * Pici gets back to work
[14:40] <bazhang> he's had half a dozen warnings now
[14:48] <vibhav> Cannot join #ubuntu+1 (Channel is invite only).
[14:49] <bazhang> vibhav, why would you need to
[14:50] <vibhav> bazhang idk :P
[14:50] <bazhang> vibhav, oneiric wont have any packages for a while yet
[14:51] <vibhav> OK
[14:51] <Pici> Its forwarding to #ubuntu
[14:51] <mneptok> THE CHANNEL FROM THE FUUUUUUUUTUUUUUUUUUUUURE!
[14:51]  * mneptok plays his theremin
[14:52] <vibhav> ok!
[14:53] <Pici> vibhav: Can we help you with anything else?
[14:54] <popey> bazhang: define "a while". This afternoon :)
[14:54] <bazhang> :)
[14:55] <highvoltage> mneptok: yeah but can you do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPvTTc7jAVQ
[14:57] <mneptok> highvoltage: i only own power saws. they go through bone better.
 No im fine
[14:57] <bazhang> hi
[14:57] <vibhav> hi
[14:57] <Pici> vibhav: Please take note of the channel topic then, particlarly the part about idling.
[14:58] <Sterist> please forgive me for asking here but does anyone still have contact with the PSubuntu.com moderators? (ps3 ubuntu forums)
[14:58] <highvoltage> mneptok: nice
 Ok dude
 I want to ask one thing
[14:59] <Sterist> they've really been MIA and prove hard to reach... need to dig deep (-_-)
 How do I become OP?
[15:00] <Pici> !canibeanop | vibhav
[15:00] <maco> (does anyone else consistently read that as "can i bean op"?)
[15:02] <mneptok> maco: i read it as "canib eanop" which is Micronesian for "tuna-filled waffles"
[15:05] <bazhang> p57976AE0.dip.t-dialin.net wonder if LALALLAA is larstorben
[15:05] <Pici> I'm pretty sure it is.
[15:05] <bazhang> oh yeah it is
[15:25] <highvoltage> '/win 15
[15:27] <ikonia> what a great factoid suggestion
[15:29] <knome> fantastic
[15:33] <LjL> :(
[15:36] <Logan_> LjL: you know what's necessary now, right?
[15:37] <LjL> global +m?
[15:37] <Logan_> updating all of the factoids for natty :P
[15:37] <LjL> pici has been doing a bit of that ;)
[15:37] <LjL> also, i think some factoids use a $variable for that now
[15:37] <jussi> I think we are mostly up to date- if youve got ones that arent, let us know :)
[15:38] <Logan_> believe me, I'll find some :P
[15:38] <Logan_> plus, I have to check that all of the factoids listing recommended packages still exist in Natty
[15:38] <jussi> Logan_: good luck :)
[15:38] <Logan_> heh
[15:38] <Logan_> I'll just use !info with ubottu
[15:38] <jussi> Im more than happy to update them if you find them
[15:39] <jussi> :)
[15:41] <Logan_> some -#ubuntu-1s should strip that
[15:41] <Logan_> as Natty is now supported in #ubuntu
[15:41] <jussi> Logan_: suggestions and specific factoids :)
[15:41] <Logan_> easy way to fix that?  or do you have to make a new one without that ending and then alias the ones thatends with -#ubuntu-1?
[15:41] <Logan_> *that end
[15:42] <jussi> Logan_: just out of curiousity, do you use PM to look through factoids or the web interface?
[15:42] <Logan_> web interface, mostly
[15:42] <jussi> :)
[15:43] <LjL> Logan_: remember #ubuntu+1 will come back shortly enough for Oneiric, though
[15:44] <Logan_> how soon?
[15:44] <LjL> Logan_: depends when the toolchain is ready, i guess between two weeks and a month maybe
[15:44] <LjL> possibly sooner
[15:46] <Logan_> LjL cut and pasted it to !gnome3, so that one is no longer necessary
[15:48] <LjL> Logan_ remember i still don't have editing privileges on the bot :P
[15:48] <Logan_> oops, that was Pici
[15:52] <Logan_> whoops, don't do that one
[15:52] <Pici> I already updated !gnome3
[15:52] <Logan_> should be: !players =~ s/, Beep Media Player,  /, /
[15:52] <Logan_> since Beep Media Player doesn't even exist in the repo
[15:52] <Logan_> Pici: yes, but !gnome3-#ubuntu+1 wasn't forgotten
[15:53] <Logan_> that players one actually should be: !players =~ s/, Beep Media Player, /, /
[15:53] <Pici> !forget gnome3-#ubuntu+1
[15:53] <Logan_> that's my final answer :P
[15:53] <Logan_> Pici: can you fix that one?
[15:54] <Pici> !players
[15:54] <Pici> !-players
[15:54] <Pici> !players =~ s/, Beep Media Player, /, /
[15:54] <Logan_> Pici: thanks :)
[15:54] <Pici> Logan_: np
[15:55]  * Logan_ finds some more factoids to mess with :P
[16:03] <Logan_> neither of those packages exists in the repo
[16:03] <LjL> :(
[16:03] <Logan_> haha, that's an LjL factoid
[16:03] <LjL> why do important packages keep getting pulled
[16:04]  * Logan_ pokes Pici or jussi
[16:04] <jussi> !ocr
[16:05] <jussi> Logan_: thats still borked
[16:05] <jussi> !info kooka
[16:05] <jussi> ;)
[16:05] <Logan_> ?
[16:05] <LjL> hold on a minute, looking for packages
[16:05] <jussi> !info skanlite
[16:05] <Logan_> jussi: that's my point :P
[16:05] <Logan_> that command removes that sentence at the end
[16:05] <Logan_> since neither of those packages exist in the repo
[16:06] <jussi> oh, bad comprehension day :D
[16:06] <Logan_> heh
[16:06] <jussi> seems kinda pointless being that short - is here a wiki page or something we can put in?
[16:07] <LjL> jussi: doesn't do OCR :(
[16:07] <LjL> i checked
[16:07] <jussi> ok
[16:07] <LjL> that's why i hate KDE4 with a *passion*
[16:07] <jussi> ?
[16:07] <LjL> it took away lots of useful programs
[16:08] <Logan_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OCR maybe
[16:08] <Logan_> jussi: ^
[16:08] <Logan_> Instead of listing the packages, just link to that page, which lists some itself.
[16:09] <jussi> Logan_: sounds good. proposal?
[16:10] <LjL> so apparently there's not a single OCR frontend in the repos anymore aside from some TK based one. how depressing.
[16:10] <LjL> one step forward, two steps back.
[16:10] <jussi> !no ocr is <reply> For OCR (optical character recognition) software in Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OCR for packages and instructions.
[16:10] <jussi> LjL: kooka hasnt been maintained since at least mid 2007
[16:11] <Logan_> thanks jussi
[16:11]  * Logan_ goes to find some more factoids :)
[16:11] <LjL> jussi: neither has my KDE 3.5, but it hasn't stopped working
[16:12] <jussi> !plg
[16:12] <jussi> Logan_: why?
[16:12] <Logan_> LjL added it back in 2007, and none of the links work
[16:13] <Logan_> well, the first one redirects to a page on java.net, but the downloads link doesn't show any files
[16:13] <Logan_> inactive project, most likely
[16:14] <Logan_> jussi: ^
[16:14] <LjL> guess Oracle destroyed that stuff
[16:16] <ikonia> Oracle is Gozers twin
[16:16] <Logan_> also, when you get to it: !pdf =~ s/kdpf#///
[16:17] <LjL> i didn't make that one!
[16:17] <LjL> and it shows, it's terrible. / to separate package names? ;(
[16:18] <jussi> !forget plg
[16:18] <jussi> !pdf
[16:19] <maco> kpdf was kde3-only, wasnt it?
[16:19] <Logan_> LjL: yeah, it's a pain
[16:19] <LjL> s:GNU/Linux:Ubuntu: also
[16:21] <jussi> !no, pdf is <reply>The Portable Document Format is created by Adobe; PDF files are viewable in Ubuntu with Xpdf, Okular, Evince and also Adobe Reader (free download, but closed source)
[16:21] <jussi> !get_iplayer
[16:22] <maco> get_iplayer is handy
[16:22] <maco> why forget it?
[16:22] <Logan_> doesn't exist in the natty repo
[16:22] <maco> get-iplayer |     2.79-1 | natty/universe | source, all
[16:22] <Logan_> oh, it's a dash
[16:22] <Logan_> nvm, then
[16:22] <jussi> I think it needs re-wording though
[16:23] <jussi> its hardly a stardard factoid...
[16:23] <maco> yeah, package names use - for word-breaks. _ is just for separating off the version
[16:32] <Logan_> (new link)
[16:34] <Logan_> jussi: ^
[16:34] <jussi> !alternate
[16:34] <jussi> !no alternate is <reply> The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download#alternate - See also !minimal
[16:35] <jussi> !alternate
[16:35] <jussi> Logan_: shall we do this in #ubuntu-irc ? most of the ops are there also, and it doesnt take up this channel, if comes a time its needed
[16:36] <Logan_> alright
[16:36] <jussi> Logan_: remember to part here :)
[18:35] <ikonia> hey it's Pricey
[18:39] <ikonia> cdbs: you work for canonical ?
[18:39] <cdbs> ikonia: yep, until today
[18:40] <cdbs> ikonia: I was under a 1-month contract for Unity, which ended today
[18:40] <ikonia> how interesting
[18:41] <IdleOne> if sebsebseb is going to give his opinion every time someone asks about Unity I am going to ban him. He knows very well about the offtopic rule.
[18:41] <ikonia> I would support that
[18:42] <IdleOne> I am not trying to deny him his opinion but we don't need to see it in the support channel.
[18:42] <ikonia> I would support that
[18:42] <ikonia> I don't like it - but you have a choice, use the distro, change the desktop, don't use the distro, pick one
[18:43] <IdleOne> Right. my feeling is you don't have to like it but #ubuntu is for support and not 45 minute discussions about how much you think it sucks.
[18:48] <IdleOne> cdbs is a rock star today, everybody wants yoor help hehe
[18:48] <IdleOne> your*
[19:55] <IdleOne> -!hashes does not have the 11.04 hash. http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Ubuntu/11.04/MD5SUMS does
[19:56]  * Pici finds someone to poke
[19:58] <IdleOne> thank you Pici
[20:08] <IdleOne> added a goo.gl to the 11.04 md5sums to !hashes
[20:08] <IdleOne> !hashes
[20:08] <IdleOne> we can update when/if they fix the help.ubuntu. page
[20:12] <IdleOne> also added one for the keyboard shortcuts in Unity to !shortcuts
[20:42] <Pici> I feel like adding "Complaing about unity will not be tolerated here" to the topic.
[20:42] <maco> Pici: "complaining about unity will not make it go away" would be funnier
[20:44] <LjL> i feel like complaining about unity
[20:44] <Pici> I feel like complaing about people complaing
[20:45] <LjL> i feel like complaining about people complaining about people complaining
[21:02] <Pici> !hashes =~ /Natty.*//
[21:02] <Pici> !hashes
[21:02] <Pici> IdleOne: I just got word that the hashes pages was updated, I fixed the factoid.
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Just send them to #xubuntu; we can fix the problem with unity :-)
[21:04] <highvoltage> charlie-tca: can you use compiz with xfce?
[21:05] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:05] <IdleOne> Pici: perfect, thanks for handling that :)
[21:06] <charlie-tca> highvoltage: we give a choice, xfwm4 compositor or compiz
[21:07] <Pici> !no nbr is <reply> Starting with Ubuntu 11.04, the Ubuntu Netbook Edition is no longer being offered as a separate install as Unity is now standard for all Ubuntu desktop installs.
[21:07] <IdleOne> !une
[21:08] <Pici> Feel free to play with the wording
[21:09] <IdleOne> looks fine to me
[21:10] <LjL> !nbr is <reply> Starting with Ubuntu 11.04, the Ubuntu Netbook Edition is no longer being offered as a separate install as Unity is gaining ground like the black plague.
[21:10]  * LjL plays with the wording
[21:10] <IdleOne> hehe
[21:11] <IdleOne> LjL: you got +o in #u
[21:11] <IdleOne> when did that happen?
[21:11] <Pici> When he hacked the gibson
[21:12] <Pici> or something.
[21:12] <IdleOne> good for him
[21:13] <Pici> macrossm might need some help remembering what #ubuntu is for
[21:13] <Pici> I am out for a bit.
[21:13] <LjL> IdleOne: i've got ops until monday to help deal with the release
[21:13] <IdleOne> I don't see why you have a limited time only
[21:13] <IdleOne> but I suppose you agreed to that
[21:13] <LjL> processes!
[21:14] <IdleOne> processes, so former IRCC member, Ubuntu member, Floodbot owner...yup you should have to apply and better make that wiki page and get some +1's
[21:15]  * LjL shrugs
[21:16] <IdleOne> anyway, happy you are here backing us up :)
[21:25] <darkz> Hey everyone... i installed 11.04 and now i can no longer connect to my wifi.. doesnt even show up, other AP's show up.. tested it from my 10.10 box, works fine... any ideas?
[21:27] <topyli> darkz: this channel is for irc problems. please join #ubuntu for help
[21:27] <darkz> this is the only ubuntu channel i can ask in
[21:27] <topyli> how so?
[21:27] <darkz> muted in #ubuntu and the party channel
[21:28] <topyli> we can't help with your wifi, but we might be able to help with your problems with #ubuntu. why are you muted?
[21:28] <darkz> dont even remember
[21:29] <darkz> maybe its not even me that got banned im there hehe
[21:29] <darkz> in*
[21:30] <LjL> darkz: you randomly pasted a message from ubottu that told you ubottu didn't know about something not very appropriate for the channel
[21:30] <darkz> i did?
[21:30] <darkz> you sure its me?
[21:31] <darkz> im connected to a fonera
[21:32] <LjL> darkz: are you familiar with our guidelines?
[21:32] <darkz> i guess
[21:32] <LjL> darkz: i will remove that ban, but please make sure you know the contents of !etiquette and !guidelines so nobody has to add it back, whether or not it was you the first time
[21:33] <darkz> ok ty :)
[21:34] <LjL> darkz: you should be able to speak now
[21:34] <darkz> thanks :)
[23:20] <elky> ok, at work, closed -party


[00:20] <mup> Bug # changed: 1660859, 1660866, 1679689, 1682090, 1682399
[01:35] <mup> Bug #1660592 changed: [Machine details page] In the machine summary change the term Unassigned to (Unassigned) for when the owner has not been assigned <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1660592>
[01:38] <mup> Bug #1660592 opened: [Machine details page] In the machine summary change the term Unassigned to (Unassigned) for when the owner has not been assigned <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1660592>
[01:50] <mup> Bug # changed: 1567103, 1660592, 1669555, 1673135
[04:37] <exodusftw> apologies on that roaksoax...meant to say the /nodes doc for power parameters