[02:56] <dax> dfkqn_ has spent several hours in #ubuntu asking for help with his system time. He has some fixation on not using UTC on his hwclock despite not doing any dualbooting, refuses to elaborate why past "it's stupid", and then ignores advice. He's now crossposting to #debian. When asked whether he's using Debian or Ubuntu in #debian, he said jessie, soooooooooooooo
[02:57] <dax> (I'm pretty sure he's using Ubuntu, but he chose to take the answer that leads to him breaking rules in #ubuntu if he asks questions there, so sucks to be him.)
[03:01] <dax> !-eol
[03:01] <dax> !eol is <reply> End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[03:01] <dax> !no, eol is <reply> End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[03:03] <dax> !backup
[03:03] <dax> !borg
[03:04] <dax> !-backup
[03:04] <dax> !backup =~ s/!sbackup and !cloning/!sbackup, !borg, and !cloning/
[03:04] <dax> !backup
[04:42] <dax> ubottu: no, xchat is <reply> xchat and xchat-gnome are old IRC clients which are not actively maintained outside of Ubuntu/Debian. Some versions of Ubuntu do not include them. Users of 14.04 onwards should strongly consider using hexchat instead, which has strong upstream support and is widely recommended by the IRC community over xchat and xchat-gnome.
[04:42] <dax> For anyone wondering why I'm touching random factoids: lotuspsychje apparently likes submitting factoid requests in-channel in -discuss, and those echo to -irc.
[04:43] <dax> !xchat =~ s/strong upstream/good upstream/
[05:03] <dax> !xauthority is <reply> If the .Xauthority file in your home directory has the wrong permissions (usually due to misuse of sudo), you may be unable to log in. To fix, change to a virtual terminal with Ctrl-Alt-F3, log in with your normal username and password, run   rm ~/.Xauthority*   and then reboot.
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[12:21] <ikonia> hello lotuspsychje
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> on join, this query: <www-isbuu-com> Hi Write isbuu to search engine. w w w isbuu c o m
[12:22] <ikonia> from who?
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> * [www-isbuu-com] (~isbuu@<IP_ADDRESS>):   �  Www.Kelebek.Org  �
[12:23] <ikonia> lotuspsychje: thanks, we'll prod it a bit
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx ikonia
[18:22] <master> Cześć
[18:22] <master> Jest tu kto?
[18:24] <dax> hi
[18:24] <dax> I don't think there's anyone in here who speaks Polish. Please try English if you have an operator issue, or see #ubuntu-pl if you just need Ubuntu support.
[18:26] <master> Luck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHkrbKfnkNY
[18:27] <dax> Please don't use AMSG on freenode. It's rather likely to annoy the antispam bot.


[00:47] <k1l_> bob2017: hi
[00:47] <bob2017> hi k1
[00:48] <k1l_> how can we help you?
[00:48] <bob2017> i came to watch EnderCreeper argue about his mute
[00:48] <k1l_> no need to come here. this channel is logged, you can read the log.
[00:49] <bob2017> these sorts of things are a lot better in realtime.  is my additional presence in here offensive in some way?
[00:49] <k1l_> yes.
[00:50] <k1l_> we have had bad experience with some gang sitting in here and eating popcorn and making jokes while we try to settle issues with users.
[00:50] <k1l_> so we have a "no ideling for non team members" rule
[00:50] <Jordan_U> I'm leaving now, will unmute EndCreeper after discussion in PM.
[00:51] <Jordan_U> (Sorry, realized that I'm about to be flooded in and need to leave in a hurry)
[00:51] <bob2017> oh boo :(
[04:29] <Unit193> holdr: Howdy.  Anything we can do for you today?
[10:55] <bazhang> jinbaba is just posting this in multiple channels, ##windows , #ubuntu , not really an ubuntu issue afaict
[10:55] <ikonia> ughh, really
[10:55] <ikonia> so he's not trying to secure ubuntu
[10:56] <ikonia> he's just doing general security
[10:56] <bazhang> thus my suggestion of the security channel
[10:56] <bazhang> he's been at this for near half day
[10:57] <ikonia> how dissapointing
[11:45] <k1l_> and there is another one on the /boot is full list
[12:33] <phunyguy> I didn't see the actual /boot is full issue in the channel, but out of curiosity, is it the issue where old kernels aren't removed?  IIRC the fix for that was released a month or so back.
[12:34] <k1l_> phunyguy: afaik there is no fix on 14.04 but on the ones after 14.04
[12:37] <phunyguy> k1l_: no, I am only on 14.04... the fix was released.  My old kernels are removed just fine.
[12:37] <phunyguy> was a bug in the unattended-upgrades package
[12:38] <phunyguy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1267059
[16:05] <nicomachus> got a nice, friendly PM from a new troll: https://i.imgur.com/RKuVF0b.jpg
[16:06] <nicomachus> direct response to something said in #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:09] <IdleOne> nicomachus: handled.
[16:09] <nicomachus> thanks.
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> can someone unban Blueskaj from #ubuntu he's one of our regulars that volunteered for years here...
[16:39] <genii> IdleOne: One of yours....
[16:40] <IdleOne> lotuspsychje: No.
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> why exactly?
[16:40] <IdleOne> You should also know better than to come here for them. If they want to be unbanned they need to resolve it themselves
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> if this is how you guys treat regulars that come to help users for years...what a shame
[16:43] <IdleOne> Similar attitude Blueskaj has. Years of service does not grant you free passes to ignore the guidelines.
[16:44] <Pici> What? it doesn't?  Oh man, thats what I've been working towards.
[17:14] <ikonia> certailny does warrent discussing it with them though
[17:14] <ikonia> certainly
[17:15] <ikonia> people can get lost when not nudged that they are slipping
[18:01] <genii> !random shrimp coffee
[18:01] <genii> More shrimp it is
[18:02]  * Myrtti sneaks Taylors decaffinated into genii's mug
[18:18] <genii> Myrtti: Is Taylors supposed to be good?
[18:26] <Myrtti> genii: I drink it and can't really tell the difference, if talking of the UK version
[18:26] <Myrtti> instant coffee on the other hand *brrrrrr*
[18:34] <genii> Yep!
[18:35] <genii> I've never seen it here but may look now
[22:33] <valorie> decafinated!
[22:33] <valorie> ++++
[22:33]  * valorie sips coldbrew
[22:34] <valorie> the carafe is on the table along with milk and sugar for anybody who wants GOOD coffee
[22:34] <valorie> :-)
[22:49]  * genii sidles over and pours a mug
[22:58] <valorie> gosh, mine's gone, which means it's time to get up and do the shopping
[23:14] <k1l> !guidelines > matthewp2
 can u upload a windows 10 iso on mediafire or google druve or etc
[23:42] <k1l> really really bad user constellation right now
[23:42] <bazhang> ##piracy fir pirates
[23:55] <bazhang> cannot read links
[23:58] <bazhang> so he has a history of this
[23:59] <k1l> yesterday, yes
[23:59] <k1l> and just some hours ago. is thought i would have made that clean in pm then
[23:59] <k1l> *i thought
[23:59] <bazhang> he didnt read the PM!


[00:01] <ubotu> New bug: #153758 in network-manager (main) "NetworkManager uses 100% CPU with bcm43xx" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153758
[00:07] <ubotu> New bug: #153759 in gtkpod-aac (multiverse) "gtkpod-aac unable to find support scripts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153759
[00:20] <ubotu> New bug: #153761 in gnome-screensaver (main) "gnome-screensaver not fullscreen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153761
[00:37] <greg-g> should a bug like this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/27969 be changed to "invalid" or "confirmed" with a "won't fix" type status?
[00:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 27969 in grub "grub 0.97 doesn't work on several machines" [High,New]
[00:38] <greg-g> it was reported via debian-bug-importer, and the debian bug is set as "won't fix"
[00:46] <bdmurray> greg-g: I just skimmed the debian bug report but it looks like they were using grub incorrectly does that seem right?
[00:51] <ubotu> New bug: #153766 in gnome-system-tools (main) "[users-admin] lists screen as an available shell" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153766
[00:51] <ubotu> New bug: #153767 in kopete (main) "kopete crash when sign in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153767
[00:51] <ubotu> New bug: #153768 in hal (main) "External SATA (eSATA) removable disk (formatted with Ext3) not mounted automatically: hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153768
[00:51] <greg-g> bdmurray: yeah
[00:52] <bdmurray> greg-g: In which case Invalid sounds good
[00:52] <greg-g> but mainly, my question is since it was reported from elsewhere and we haven't had anyone reproduce it on LP, then should it stay in LP as "new"?
[00:53] <greg-g> instead of going with what the originating bug tracker is saying
[00:56] <bdmurray> I think that it would depend on the bug really.
[00:57] <bdmurray> I realize that isn't particularly helpful.
[00:58] <greg-g> bdmurray: I understand
[00:59] <bdmurray> It also depends on the package too and how much Ubuntu's package varies from upstream
[00:59] <greg-g> gotcha
[01:00] <bdmurray> Some packages we just sync from debian, others are haeavily modified
[01:00] <greg-g> right
[01:00] <greg-g> I guess I was just thinking "what is the shortest path to get this bug changed from "new""
[01:02] <greg-g> but thanks for the quasi-clarification :)
[01:02] <bdmurray> heh, its a bit tough as each bug is _special_
[01:02] <greg-g> right
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #153769 in network-manager (main) "nm-applet randomly(?) becomes non-responsive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153769
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #153770 in update-manager (main) "update-manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153770
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #153771 in ubuntu "Error in Gnome session with time-out loading configuration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153771
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #153772 in ubuntu "Dimension 9200 hibernation fails to shutdown on Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153772
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #153773 in libdbd-mysql-perl (main) "libdbd-mysql-perl: SSL connection error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153773
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #153775 in firefox (main) "Firebird <IP_ADDRESS> refetches on "Save Page" without sending POST data" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153775
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #153776 in ubuntu "[gutsy] xserver fails to hand off to gnome after logging into gdm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153776
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #153777 in firefox (main) "Firefox becomes inactive While Watching Videos" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153777
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #153780 in rhythmbox (main) "No iPod or iPod Nano currently in the stores can sync " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153780
[03:11] <ubotu> New bug: #153781 in plywood (universe) "Gutsy upgrade breaks plywood." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153781
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #153783 in ubuntu "jrsdf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153783
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #153784 in wallpaper-tray (universe) "autorotate images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153784
[03:32] <kostkon> ok, bug #153783 is a spam, that's the first time I encounter this. and the status of the user that posted is dubious, of course
[03:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153783 in ubuntu "jrsdf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153783
[03:33] <ScottK> kostkon: Just mark it invalid and move on.
[03:33] <kostkon> ScottK, ok thanks. what about the user?
[03:34] <ScottK> What about the user?  Has that person done such before?  Maybe it was an accident?
[03:35] <kostkon> ScottK, ok, it was mostly a philosophical question. I meant what mechanism launchpad has for cases of spammers
[03:35] <ScottK> Not sure.  I'd ask in #launchpad.
[03:36] <kostkon> ScottK, ok
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #153790 in gnome-applets (main) "music-applet tooltip doesn't show anything" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153790
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #153791 in ubuntu "gnome console error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153791
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #153792 in ubuntu "Access Denied" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153792
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #153793 in gnome-control-center (main) "Dual Monitor Background Support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153793
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #153794 in opera (partner) "version bump" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153794
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #153799 in zapping (universe) "No /dev/video0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153799
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #153801 in tvtime (universe) "Cannot find "/dev/video0"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153801
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #153800 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "Cannot logon after using Screens and Graphics program with nvidia-glx-legacy driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153800
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #153802 in audacious (universe) "audacious-plugins conflicts with audacious-plugins-extra" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153802
[05:31] <ScottK> ^^^ is a dupe if someon in bugsquad wants to dupe it.
[06:07] <nxvl> there isn't enought information about adopting packages
[06:07] <nxvl> i only need to edit the wiki page?
[06:08] <nxvl> for example if want to adopt evolutions
[06:08] <nxvl> evolution*
[06:08] <ScottK> What do you mean by adopt?
[06:10] <nxvl> mmm
[06:10] <nxvl> i lost the wiki page
[06:10] <nxvl> searching
[06:11] <nxvl> ScottK:
[06:11] <nxvl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/AdoptPackage
[06:11] <nxvl> ScottK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/AdoptPackage
[06:11] <ubotu> New bug: #153803 in compiz (main) "in firefox fullscreen mode, screen flickers when hovering over links only with desktop effects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153803
[06:12] <ScottK> I'd say edit the wiki page and then (as the wiki page says) "Please discuss on the Bugsquad mailing list"
[06:13] <ScottK> nxvl: ^^ Regardless of adopting or not, nothing is stopping you from triaging bugs.  Just dive in and do it.
[06:14] <nxvl> ScottK: thats for sure
[06:14] <nxvl> ScottK: but it still isn't enought documentation
[06:15]  * ScottK suggests discuss it with bdmurray.
[06:15] <nxvl> that will be tomorrow, now it's time to sleep i have classes in 7 hours
[06:15] <nxvl> need some rest
[06:15] <ScottK> (Who is probably asleep anyway).
[06:17] <ubotu> New bug: #153804 in gnome-panel (main) "Sound Juicer:  Locked up when attempting to change output format in preferences" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153804
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #153805 in snes9x (multiverse) "No full screen on Nvidia cards (gutsy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153805
[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #153806 in update-manager (main) "[Update-Manager] Dist-upgrade from Feisty -> Gusty fails with installArchives() failing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153806
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #153807 in synaptic (main) "update-mangaer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153807
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #153808 in openoffice.org (main) "[Gusty] No Secondary Y Axis Labels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153808
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #153809 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Power manager is unable to turn off screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153809
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #153810 in kdepim (main) "mails seems to disappear during "fetch"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153810
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #153812 in ubuntu "add startup-manager to repository and ubuntu release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153812
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #153814 in amarok (main) "Amarok skips the last seconds of a track when using daap" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153814
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #153816 in network-manager (main) "NetworkManager uses 95% CPU after changing eth0 to static address" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153816
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #153818 in ubuntu "Visual Effects can not be enabled on Santa Rosa" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153818
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #153819 in virtualbox-ose (universe) "Cannot change owner vboxusers for device /dev/vboxdrv" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153819
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #153820 in desktop-effects (main) "[Gutsy] Title bar too low/narrow with desktop-effects enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153820
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #153821 in miro (universe) "Miro crash in Gutsy when loading to Miro Guide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153821
[09:21] <ubotu> New bug: #153822 in rhythmbox (main) "100% CPU during use" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153822
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #153823 in ubuntu "Installed Gutsy can not boot on Santa Rosa " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153823
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #153825 in exim4 (main) "REMOTE_SMTP_HEADERS_REWRITE not being set" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153825
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #153826 in kde4base (universe) "klauncher crashes after login (kde4b3)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153826
[09:58] <dholbach> thekorn_: good morning
[09:58] <norsetto> good morning dholbach
[09:59] <dholbach> thekorn_: what do you get as subscribers for bug 152933?
[09:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152933 in usplash "zero timeout buggy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152933
[09:59] <dholbach> (with py-lp-bugs)
[09:59] <dholbach> seems the "also notified" people are not on the list somehow
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #153829 in kdebase (main) "Suggestions displayed incorrectly in Google sidebar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153829
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #153830 in ubuntu "Edgy 7.04 does not use all RAM: it sees only 2GB of the 4GB available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153830
[10:02] <thekorn_> g'morning dholbach,
[10:02] <dholbach> hey norsetto :-)
[10:02]  * dholbach hugs norsetto and thekorn_
[10:02]  * thekorn_ hugs dholbach and norsetto
[10:02] <thekorn> let me check...
[10:02]  * norsetto hugs and wishes happy release to everybody
[10:03] <thekorn> dholbach, yeah, "also notified" and "notified via duplicates" people are not listed
[10:03] <dholbach> thekorn: ah ok, hm
[10:04] <dholbach> hmhmhmhm
[10:04] <thekorn> but I wonder why
[10:04] <dholbach> maybe it's only in this case?
[10:04] <thekorn> to be honest i did not think about this before
[10:04] <dholbach> (maybe because of the different page layout and the bzr branch addition?)
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #153832 in distributed-net (multiverse) "Automatic processor type detection problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153832
[10:06] <thekorn> dholbach, no it is not working in general bug 150930 is an example
[10:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150930 in ubiquity "Black screen, and bad usplash.conf" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150930
[10:07] <thekorn> let me check the code...
[10:15] <dholbach> for hardy we need a py-lp-bugs shell! ;-)
[10:19] <thekorn> dholbach, this might parse all subsribers: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41042/
[10:20] <thekorn> yeah, a py-lp-bugs shell might be cool
[10:20] <dholbach> NICE patch
[10:20] <dholbach> the new py-lp-bugs is so cool
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #153837 in gdm (main) "gdm shows empty face browser" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153837
[10:37] <kagou> Hi
[10:37] <dholbach> thekorn: we should probably get that fix into gutsy-updates
[10:42] <thekorn> dholbach, yes sounds good,
[10:42] <dholbach> great
[10:43] <thekorn> what is the procedure for this?
[10:43] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[10:44] <thekorn> ok, so we need a bugreport with the patch attached
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #153839 in gnome-panel (main) "When internet disconnection occurs, it is not possible to connect again" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153839
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #153840 in gnome-panel (main) "problem in wmv videos after upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153840
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #153842 in python-launchpad-bugs (main) "RFE: interactive shell interface for py-lp-bugs" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153842
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #153843 in update-manager (main) "always downloads even if packages are on cdrom" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153843
[11:08] <thekorn> dholbach, i created bug 153842 and bug 153846
[11:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153842 in python-launchpad-bugs "RFE: interactive shell interface for py-lp-bugs" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153842
[11:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153846 in python-launchpad-bugs "bug.subsribers: also parse 'also notified' and 'from duplicates'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153846
[11:08] <dholbach> nice
[11:08]  * dholbach hugs thekorn
[11:09] <dholbach> thekorn: awesome
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #153844 in ubuntu "Ubuntu doesn't install inside Parallels on the Mac" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153844
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #153846 in python-launchpad-bugs (main) "bug.subsribers: also parse 'also notified' and 'from duplicates'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153846
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #153847 in kdebase (main) "[gutsy] Konqueror html part won't show headers info" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153847
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #153848 in opera (partner) "opera 9.5 64 bits crashes when running flash pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153848
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #153850 in dolphin (main) "dolphin crashes while being working on thumbnails and switching to the "details" mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153850
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #153853 in ubuntu "Some i386 binaries fail to work on AMD64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153853
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #153855 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!   with cifs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153855
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #153857 in ubuntu "games crash X or freeze system if compiz is turned on" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153857
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #153858 in ffmpeg (main) "update to current svn for better h264 support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153858
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #153859 in openoffice.org (main) "Opening templates crashes Open Office Writer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153859
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #153862 in tailor (universe) "Doesn't work with Mercurial 0.9.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153862
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #153863 in apache2 "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart produces error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153863
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #153864 in ubuntu "Openoffice crash when want to print" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153864
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #153865 in ubuntu "hallo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153865
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #153866 in ubuntu "work about geo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153866
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #153868 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.0.45-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153868
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #153870 in findutils (main) "Crash in locate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153870
[13:10] <ubotu> New bug: #153874 in update-manager (main) "i had upgraded version to gusty one week ago, and today he wanted to do it again, i lauched it, but it update manager crashed after downloading needed files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153874
[13:10] <ubotu> New bug: #153875 in r-base (universe) "asks about conf file during upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153875
[13:15] <ubotu> New bug: #153838 in udev (main) "udevd consumes 85% CPU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153838
[13:31] <ubotu> New bug: #153878 in ubuntu "[gutsy final release] dualhead + locking system xorg crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153878
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #153880 in ubuntu "Update manager hangs during install from Feisty to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153880
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #153881 in update-manager (main) "Upgrading from Gutsy Beta to Gutsy final fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153881
[13:40] <ubotu> New bug: #153882 in ubuntu "Evince should not always remember all printing options" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153882
[13:41] <ubotu> New bug: #153883 in gedit (main) "control tab does not cycle through tabs in gedit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153883
[13:57] <ubotu> New bug: #153886 in update-manager (main) "Difference between configuration files should be shown more friendly during update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153886
[14:00] <ubotu> New bug: #153888 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Fatal error when loading applsmc: 7.10rc on mac pro" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153888
[14:00] <ubotu> New bug: #153889 in adept (main) "feisty dist upgrade check does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153889
[14:00] <ubotu> New bug: #153890 in ubuntu "Dual monitor not working on ATI RV370 - Sapphire X550 silent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153890
[14:05] <ubotu> New bug: #153892 in ubuntu "Can not run gnome-terminal with compiz enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153892
[14:17] <ubotu> New bug: #153893 in firefox (main) "cant click on dropdown when inputfield suggestion is active" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153893
[14:17] <ubotu> New bug: #153895 in debconf (main) "package debconf-i18n 1.5.14ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153895
[14:17] <ubotu> New bug: #153896 in ccontrol (universe) "Please sync ccontrol (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153896
[14:17] <ubotu> New bug: #153897 in ubuntu "Sound device lost when upgrading a HP Compaq nw9440 to 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153897
[14:20] <ubotu> New bug: #153898 in wmii (universe) "[Gutsy] wmii installs dwm and bad symlink /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153898
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #153899 in gramps (universe) "Please sync gramps (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153899
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #153900 in adept (main) "adept still wants to upgrade to 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153900
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #153902 in update-manager (main) "error during upgrade from feisty to gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153902
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #153903 in totem (main) "not getting sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153903
[14:32] <ubotu> New bug: #153905 in strigiapplet (main) "Strigi hotkey conflicts with existing hotkey in QTM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153905
[14:32] <ubotu> New bug: #148707 in epiphany-browser (main) "epiphany crashed with SIGSEGV in _gtk_icon_cache_get_icon_flags()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148707
[14:33] <ubotu> New bug: #150537 in epiphany-browser (main) "Epiphany crash loading Flash game, not reproducable" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150537
[14:41] <ubotu> New bug: #153906 in ubuntu "while loadins OS Linux stop lo load at the 3° block" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153906
[15:01] <ubotu> New bug: #153911 in adept (main) "adept notifier runs during adept-instigated dist-upgrade" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153911
[15:01] <ubotu> New bug: #153918 in ubuntu "Screens and Graphics Preferences fails to detect updated monitor." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153918
[15:02] <ubotu> New bug: #153910 in ubuntu "can't upgrade from feisty to edgy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153910
[15:02] <ubotu> New bug: #153912 in ubuntu "Upgrade probelm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153912
[15:02] <ubotu> New bug: #153913 in ayttm (universe) "Please sync ayttm (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153913
[15:02] <ubotu> New bug: #153914 in libsigc++-2.0 (main) "Missing file sigc++config.h" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153914
[15:02] <ubotu> New bug: #153915 in ubuntu "Sometimes can't reanme files in nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153915
[15:02] <ubotu> New bug: #153916 in ubuntu "Add comical to universe repository" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153916
[15:02] <ubotu> New bug: #153917 in gnome-system-monitor (main) "gnome-system-monitor when run as user has display problems on process tab.screen flashes on/off whenever the mouse cursor is on screen.flashing stops when mouse cursor is off screen.when run as sudo NO problem,always repeatable as user." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153917
[15:03] <ubotu> New bug: #153908 in kopete (main) "kopete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153908
[15:03] <ubotu> New bug: #153909 in griffith (universe) "Please sync griffith (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153909
[15:15] <ubotu> New bug: #153920 in kopete (main) "kopete crashed with SIGSEGV signal 11" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153920
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #153921 in kompozer (universe) "kompozer menu item" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153921
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #153922 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus hangs on mouse over icons of MP3s" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153922
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #153923 in update-manager (main) "error fetching file while upgrading to ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153923
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #153924 in gnome-applets (main) "Sticky notes, not minimizing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153924
[15:26] <ubotu> New bug: #153926 in update-manager (main) "Distribution Upgrade says "There are no upgrades available for your system. The upgrade will now be canceled" when updating Gutsy RC to Gutsy Official" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153926
[15:36] <ubotu> New bug: #153927 in alsa-driver (main) "Sound stuttering when using AC3 passthrough with driver emu10k1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153927
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #153930 in gnome-panel (main) "Problemas con panel gnome" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153930
[15:50] <ubotu> New bug: #153931 in schooltool (main) "[gutsy] Remove package or fix deps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153931
[16:02] <ubotu> New bug: #153933 in ubiquity (main) "Gutsy Gibbon install: grub failes with /dev/hda4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153933
[16:05] <ubotu> New bug: #153935 in ubuntu "widespread crash/hang" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153935
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #153938 in software-properties (main) "Alternative mirror displayed incorrectly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153938
[16:35] <ubotu> New bug: #153941 in libnet-dns-resolver-programmable-perl (universe) "Please sync libnet-dns-resolver-programmable-perl (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153941
[16:38] <bddebian> Boo
[16:41] <ubotu> New bug: #153942 in mail-spf-perl (universe) "Please sync mail-spf-perl (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153942
[16:46] <ubotu> New bug: #153943 in gdebi (main) "Gdebi-kde uses massive amounts of memory!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153943
[16:46] <ubotu> New bug: #153944 in ubuntu "7.10 x server cannot start during installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153944
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #153945 in pychess (universe) "Please sync pychess (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153945
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #153946 in ubuntu "Upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 Fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153946
[16:56] <ubotu> New bug: #153950 in update-manager (main) "upgrade feisty to gutsy broken packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153950
[16:56] <ubotu> New bug: #153951 in pymilter (universe) "Please sync pymilter (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153951
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #153952 in ubuntu "Gutsy boot failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153952
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #153953 in ubuntu "iwl4965 wireless driver on UBUNTU 7.10 does not change frequency" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153953
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #153954 in update-manager (main) "Several number 127 errors during Feisty-->Gutsy update. dpkg refuses to proceed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153954
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #153956 in apturl (main) "package apturl 0.1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153956
[17:03] <syngin001> is there a fix yet available for the azureus bug in Gutsy
[17:08] <ubotu> New bug: #153957 in update-manager (main) "package update-manager 1:0.81 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /tmp/tmpfzPzJR/backports/usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153957
[17:08] <ubotu> New bug: #153958 in ubuntu "update-manager problem when upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153958
[17:10] <ubotu> New bug: #153959 in clucene-core (universe) "why does liblucene0 suggest sword-frontend?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153959
[17:20] <ubotu> New bug: #153961 in ubuntu "AMD64 gusty openoffice freezes up and overheats computer when several selections are made" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153961
[17:27] <ubotu> New bug: #153963 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "[PATCH] Add STAC9228 DMIC support." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153963
[17:27] <ubotu> New bug: #153964 in kdebase (main) "konqueror fails samba authentication" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153964
[17:27] <ubotu> New bug: #153965 in openoffice.org (main) "papucho" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153965
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #153966 in synaptic (main) "Synaptic uses ubuntu changelogs urls even for third party repos" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153966
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #153967 in update-manager (main) "Text on dist-upgrade misleading" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153967
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #153968 in adept (main) "Adept Version Upgrade stalls at the point of installing packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153968
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #153969 in avahi (main) "avahi-autoipd takes over when the router fails, breaks DHCP" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153969
[17:36] <ubotu> New bug: #153970 in update-manager (main) "update-manager returns error regarding prerequisites" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153970
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #153972 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "detects wrong monitor for optiquest q71" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153972
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #153973 in ubuntu "tzdata and util-linux failed to install during upgrade to 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153973
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #153974 in pyparsing (universe) "Please sync pyparsing (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153974
[17:41] <bdmurray> pedro_: you are all set?
[17:41] <pedro_> bdmurray, yeah!
[17:44] <bdmurray> great!
[17:45] <pedro_> bdmurray, yeah, i was a little bit nervous,  but it was really quick, now i should only wait for my passport to arrive
[17:45] <pedro_> usually it takes like 2 days they said
[17:46] <pedro_> hope it arrive before thursday :-P
[17:46] <bdmurray> heh
[18:17] <ubotu> New bug: #153975 in adept (main) "Distribution upgrade 7.10 Beta 2 -> 7.10 fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153975
[18:20] <ubotu> New bug: #153977 in ubuntu "Unable to use external monitor on laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153977
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #153947 in avahi (main) "avahi-daemon can't see other linuxes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153947
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #153978 in language-pack-es (main) "Missing translation for desktop-effects" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153978
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #153979 in ubuntu "PS2 keyboard and USB Mouse don't like each other" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153979
[18:24] <ubotu> New bug: #153981 in openoffice.org (main) "openoffice: select language - list too long (suggestion)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153981
[18:26] <ubotu> New bug: #153980 in update-manager (main) "7.04->7.10 "Upgrade" fails: "Getting upgrade prerequisites failed"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153980
[18:33] <ubotu> New bug: #153982 in update-manager (main) "Update from 7.04 to 7.10 unsuccesfull" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153982
[18:33] <ubotu> New bug: #153983 in language-pack-es (main) "package language-pack-es 1:7.10+20071012 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153983
[18:34] <ubotu> New bug: #153984 in update-manager (main) "dist upgrade tool 7.10 gutsy freezes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153984
[18:35] <ubotu> New bug: #153985 in zekr (multiverse) "Please sync zekr (multiverse) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153985
[18:35] <ubotu> New bug: #153986 in xorg (main) "GL screensavers crash the X server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153986
[18:36] <ubotu> New bug: #153987 in util-linux (main) "swapon reports Too many levels of symbolic links with lvm swap space" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153987
[18:42] <ubotu> New bug: #153988 in ubuntu "Ubuntu Release upgrade crashes when it can't find a mirror (wine mirror)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153988
[18:45] <ubotu> New bug: #153989 in virtualbox-ose (universe) "Virtualbox OSE doesn't run in Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153989
[18:45] <ubotu> New bug: #153990 in python-scipy (universe) "fftpack.fft crashes on widows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153990
[18:45] <ubotu> New bug: #153991 in ubuntu "Final Gusty throws me in to BusyBox on all attempts to install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153991
[18:50] <ubotu> New bug: #153992 in qtiplot (universe) "qtiplot not in GNOME menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153992
[18:55] <ubotu> New bug: #153995 in ubuntu "Cannot exit gnome-rdp fullscreen when visual effects are enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153995
[18:55] <ubotu> New bug: #153996 in db4.4 (main) "libdb4.4 in gutsy breaks postgrey" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153996
[18:55] <ubotu> New bug: #153998 in update-manager (main) "automoated upgrade from 7.10rc to 7.10 failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153998
[18:55] <ubotu> New bug: #153999 in virtualbox-ose-modules (universe) "package virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-14-generic 4 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153999
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #153994 in dbmail (universe) "dbmail cannot find create_user during postinst" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153994
[19:00] <ubotu> New bug: #154000 in ubuntu "kubuntu dist upgrade tool crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154000
[19:07] <ubotu> New bug: #135778 in rosetta "Filter "Untranslated, without suggestions" is needed (dup-of: 102943)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135778
[19:07] <ubotu> New bug: #150881 in rosetta "It should be easier to find untranslated labels without any suggestion (dup-of: 102943)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150881
[19:17] <wtigerks> can some one help me
[19:18] <ScottK> wtigerks: It depends on what you need help with.
[19:19] <ScottK> bdmurray: Why do rosetta bugs show up here?  Isn't rosetta part of Launchpad?
[19:20] <wtigerks> i have 710 and i am haveing problems geting the restricted drivers for the nvidia to enable
[19:20] <ScottK> wtigerks: #ubuntu is the place to ask for help on that.
[19:20] <bdmurray> ScottK: looking
[19:21] <wtigerks> how do i get there
[19:21] <ubotu> New bug: #154003 in gnome-power-manager (main) "[Gutsy] gnome-power-manager does not display notifications of any kind" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154003
[19:21] <ubotu> New bug: #154004 in ubuntu "Update-manager failed to update Ubuntu 7.4 to Ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154004
[19:21] <bdmurray> The master has an Invalid Ubuntu task
[19:21] <ScottK> bdmurray: Ah.
[19:22] <ScottK> wtigerks: Basically the same way your got here, except instead of #ubuntu-bugs, use #ubuntu.  You may be able to just click on #ubuntu.
[19:22] <bdmurray> Mail still ends up going to the ubuntu-bugs mailing list too
[19:22] <ScottK> Sound like a LP bug to me.
[19:26] <ubotu> New bug: #154005 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice.org text can't printing envelops but it printing well the text files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154005
[19:26] <ubotu> New bug: #154006 in ubuntu "Upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10 fails on AMD64 system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154006
[19:35] <ubotu> New bug: #154008 in update-manager (main) "[update-manager] Getting upgrade prerequisites failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154008
[19:35] <ubotu> New bug: #154009 in ubuntu "can't upgrade to 7.10 from 7.10 RC" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154009
[19:35] <ubotu> New bug: #154011 in deskbar-applet (main) "deskbar applet should use complete horizontal panel space" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154011
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #154010 in update-manager (main) "Kubuntu upgrade [feisty->gutsy] missing "kde-desktop"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154010
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #154012 in postgresql-8.1 (universe) "pg_ctlcluster uses stop immediate on it's own" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154012
[19:48] <ubotu> New bug: #154013 in ubuntu "Feisty > Gutsy Alt CD upgrade update-manager fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154013
[19:48] <ubotu> New bug: #154014 in ubuntu "New windows in Gutsy 64 open up somewhat off screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154014
[19:48] <ubotu> New bug: #154015 in gnome-panel (main) "Deluge icon and notification toolbar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154015
[19:50] <ubotu> New bug: #154017 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Delete does not work all of the time." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154017
[19:58] <ubotu> New bug: #154019 in update-manager (main) "Adept-manager falsely report "system is up-to-date"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154019
[20:00] <ubotu> New bug: #154020 in python2.5 (main) "python2.5-dbg depends on gui packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154020
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #154002 in pidgin (main) "pidgin crashed with SIGSEGV in poll()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154002
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #154022 in ubuntu "Error during Update 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154022
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #153765 in ghostscript (main) "internal jasper should be patched for CVE-2007-2721" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153765
[20:16] <ubotu> New bug: #154024 in bughelper (universe) "bughelper could crash if a bugreport changes during a run" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154024
[20:16] <ubotu> New bug: #154025 in ubuntu "kubuntu cdrom upgrade doesn't just work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154025
[20:16] <ubotu> New bug: #154026 in update-manager (main) "could not install 'acpid'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154026
[20:21] <ubotu> New bug: #154028 in ubuntu-meta (main) "Applications Consistently output "sh: jackd: command not found" when playing sounds with gstreamer." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154028
[20:21] <ubotu> New bug: #154029 in gnome-media (main) "CD-Player has a ugly color, but works fine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154029
[20:21] <ubotu> New bug: #154030 in ubuntu "Dragging App Menu Icons to Desktop produces Tiny Icons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154030
[20:25] <ubotu> New bug: #154031 in ubuntu "hebrew is not displayed properly on gutsy boot menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154031
[20:31] <ubotu> New bug: #154032 in ubuntu "Animation for Minimizing a Window does not Follow GNOME Panel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154032
[20:36] <ubotu> New bug: #154033 in ubuntu "Error Ihr System ist auf dem aktuellen Stand" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154033
[20:36] <ubotu> New bug: #154035 in eog (main) "click and drag to move image only works with middle mouse button, scrollwheel zoom is disabled by default and its option is hidden away for no good reason" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154035
[20:41] <ubotu> New bug: #154034 in adept (main) "Cannot update from kubuntu 7.04. to 7.10 via adept" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154034
[20:46] <ubotu> New bug: #153796 in moin (main) "MoinMoin XSS vulnerabilities" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153796
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #154037 in nautilus (main) "files from ~ shown on desktop (desktop_is_home_dir == false)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154037
[20:56] <ubotu> New bug: #154036 in alsa-lib (main) "Sound not working anymore when "asoundconf set-default-card" has not been executed one upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154036
[21:00] <ubotu> New bug: #154038 in ttf-dejavu (main) "Mis-rendered "å" in DejaVu Sans" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154038
[21:05] <ubotu> New bug: #154039 in update-manager (main) "update manager error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154039
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #154040 in ubuntu "Getting upgrade prerequisites failed: should I try again later" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154040
[21:20] <ubotu> New bug: #154044 in ubiquity (main) "Ubiquity should have a "try again" button for media-error problems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154044
[21:20] <ubotu> New bug: #154046 in ubuntu "black screen after upgrade to gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154046
[21:36] <ubotu> New bug: #154048 in linux-meta (main) "[gutsy] update from feisty to gutsy installs additionally false -i386 kernel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154048
[21:36] <ubotu> New bug: #154049 in ubuntu "Nvidia driver not working with dual screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154049
[21:36] <ubotu> New bug: #154050 in adept (main) "adept_batch does not stop when it's window is closed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154050
[21:40] <ubotu> New bug: #154052 in warzone2100 (universe) "screen resizing bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154052
[21:45] <ubotu> New bug: #154054 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice 2.3 on Gutsy can't restrict permission for PDF using blank password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154054
[21:50] <ubotu> New bug: #154055 in update-manager (main) "Distribution Upgrade - Unable to get the prerequesites" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154055
[21:50] <ubotu> New bug: #154056 in update-manager (main) "distro upgrade failed (fiesty to gutsy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154056
[22:00] <ubotu> New bug: #154058 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "package sun-java5-bin None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/sun-java5-bin.list] failed to install/upgrade: il sottoprocesso pre-installation script ha restituito un codice di errore 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154058
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #154059 in ubuntu "tabbed file browsing needed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154059
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #154060 in ubuntu "Gutsy Gibbon install generates package 127 errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154060
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #154061 in ubuntu "grub loader says error 17" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154061
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #154062 in gnome-applets (main) "The sticky notes panel applet does not work when compiz is enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154062
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #154063 in ubuntu "Webcam disappears after one time use" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154063
[22:16] <ubotu> New bug: #154064 in ubuntu "Timezone for Berlin is wrong, should be GMT+1, not GMT+2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154064
[22:16] <ubotu> New bug: #154065 in linux-atm (main) "package libatm1 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libatm1.list] failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154065
[22:16] <ubotu> New bug: #154066 in update-manager (main) "package update-manager 1:0.81 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /tmp/tmpjJy6aI/backports/usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), E:Sub-process /tmp/tmpjJy6aI/backports/usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154066
[22:31] <ubotu> New bug: #154069 in xserver-xorg-video-trident (main) "Ubuntu freezing with toshiba laptop" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154069
[22:32] <ubotu> New bug: #154068 in rhythmbox (main) "Unable to view trunkated lines in their entirety" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154068
[22:32] <ubotu> New bug: #154070 in evolution (main) "Home Phone and Other Phone duplicated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154070
[22:32] <ubotu> New bug: #154071 in ubuntu "Failed install of version 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154071
[22:32] <ubotu> New bug: #154072 in ubuntu "upgrade Feisty to gutsy mise a jour partielle" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154072
[22:36] <ubotu> New bug: #154073 in ubuntu "Need to update UbuntuHashes for 7.10 Desktop version." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154073
[22:40] <ubotu> New bug: #154075 in update-manager (main) "few error while upgrading Ubuntu FF to 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154075
[22:45] <ubotu> New bug: #154077 in update-manager (main) "Online Upgrading" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154077
[22:55] <ubotu> New bug: #154078 in update-manager-core (main) "erro durante atualização da versão." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154078
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #154079 in update-manager (main) "error during version update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154079
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #154080 in icedtea-java7 (universe) "icedtea-java7-bin is not available for the Sparc edition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154080
[23:06] <ubotu> New bug: #154082 in hal (main) "unable to initialize hal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154082
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #154083 in ubuntu "PS3: Alternate Install CD is missing linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-cell package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154083
[23:25] <ubotu> New bug: #154085 in ubuntu "Dialog box shows up when I type and get validated before I can read them" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154085


[06:40] <didrocks> good morning
[07:35] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:36] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:00] <Laney> ello!
[08:03] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:10] <Laney> hey didrocks, wb seb128!
[08:10] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:10] <Laney> seb128: good holiday? nice tan? tasty food? relaxed?
[08:10] <seb128> great holidays, very nice food & relaxed
[08:10] <Laney> we went to watch a friend do a running race at the weekend, and also go to the beach :>
[08:11] <seb128> not so much sun though, but we mostly avoid the rain so I'm not complaining
[08:11] <Laney> you could be english
[08:12] <seb128> hah
[08:12] <Laney> people sitting on the beach in a storm
[08:13] <Laney> WE'VE COME AWAY ON HOLIDAY AND WE'LL BLOODY WELL ENJOY IT
[08:13] <Laney> *eats sand filled sandwich*
[08:13] <didrocks> :)
[08:14] <Laney> you good didrocks?
[08:14] <didrocks> Laney: my ears aren't… It's been a nightmare for more than a week. Not a lot of sleep :/
[08:15] <Laney> :((((((((
[08:15] <didrocks> so, not a really good week-end
[08:15] <Laney> is there a treatment option?
[08:15] <didrocks> I don't feel the doctors necessarily knows
[08:16]  * Laney hugs
[08:17]  * didrocks hugs back
[08:20] <seb128> brb, changing location
[08:48] <seb128> (back online)
[08:55] <didrocks> jibel_: do you plan merging the ubiquity branch yourself? I don't have access (also, you didn't review the bionic ones, is it on purpose?)
[09:37] <Nafallo> o/
[10:26] <Saviq> hey all, do you guys know anything about disappearing app icons in the Ubuntu session in 18.04? I think they go away on screen lock and come back on alt+f2, r
[11:29] <jibel_> didrocks, merged.
[11:30] <didrocks> jibel: thx! Should I prepare a changelog and upload? (same for bionic branches?)
[11:30] <jibel> didrocks, Yes, you can proceed with a release in cosmic. I'll test bionic now
[11:34] <didrocks> xnox: hey, how do you release the ubiquity branch? gbp buildpackage -S doesn't have the bzr hooks since you move to git?
[11:35] <didrocks> jibel: release commit will be http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ddP8VKXZYV/ if you want to push it
[11:37] <seb128> Saviq, launcher icons? is that specific to some icons? maybe Trevinho knows but I didn't see that issue mentioned before
[11:37] <Saviq> seb128: sorry, failed to be clear, tray/indicator icons
[11:37] <Saviq> but only those for apps
[11:38] <seb128> so the appindicator extension
[11:38] <seb128> that's a Trevinho topic for sure :)
[11:38] <seb128> are those electron apps?
[11:40] <jibel> Saviq, like bug 1714504 ?
[11:41] <Trevinho> Saviq: yeah, I got them once happening, but I wasn't unable to debug things properly, as the shell was registering correctly, but something on the UI side wasn't working
[11:41] <Trevinho> since then, I never had it
[11:41] <Trevinho> Saviq: is that something happening for all the apps, right?
[11:41] <Trevinho> or just a subset of them?
[11:41] <Saviq> Trevinho: yes, they all disappear
[11:41] <Saviq> and then a alt+f2 r brings them back
[11:42] <Trevinho> Saviq: yeah, I saw that happening once. I saved some debugging infos, but wasn't able to understand the deeper reason in a first look, I think I saved some logs from there though
[11:43] <Saviq> jibel: yeah that sounds like it
[11:43] <Saviq> oh wow upgraded from 13.10, kudos
[11:44] <Trevinho> Saviq: is the `org.kde.StatusNotifierWatcher` name exported, right?
[11:44] <xnox> didrocks, ./debian/rules update; debuild -S
[11:44] <Trevinho> Saviq: also RegisteredStatusNotifierItems has elements?
[11:45] <didrocks> xnox: ok, I have to ignore .git then, thx!
[11:45] <xnox> didrocks, the hook was ./debian/rules update-local -> which is same as update, but error out if any changes detected and do not touch the debian/changelog.
[11:45] <Saviq> jibel, Trevinho: fwiw "Ubuntu appindicators" extension was off here - but turning it on/off doesn't seem to matter
[11:45] <xnox> didrocks, i did not look into hooks yet, or how this can be done in git. Possibly simply needs to be done as part of the clean target, and detect if there is a git repo.
[11:46] <Trevinho> Saviq: yeah, it's loaded anyways in the ubuntu session
[11:46] <didrocks> I'm adding -I to ignore git dir, thx xnox
[11:47] <xnox> hm... it should be autoignored, are we not 3.0 (native) format?!
[11:47] <Trevinho> what's weird is that also after a restart and lock it doesn't work anymore, but then isn't easily reproducible
[11:47] <xnox> ah
[11:47] <xnox> $ cat debian/source/options
[11:47] <xnox> compression = "xz"
[11:47] <xnox> tar-ignore = ".bzr-builddeb"
[11:47] <didrocks> xnox: yep :p I can change that
[11:47] <Saviq> Trevinho: right now I have the icons so don't think checking those dbus paths would be meaningful, will report back on the bug then
[11:47] <xnox> yeah, that needs changing probably, and possibly we want to use tar-append
[11:47] <xnox> didrocks, thanks!
[11:48] <Saviq> Trevinho: but yeah, locking the session and back - they're gone
[11:48] <Trevinho> the upstream issue is https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/issues/133
[11:48] <gitlab-bot> ubuntu bug 133 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator "[bug] reload gnome-shell to show icons" (comments: 2) [Open]
[11:49] <Saviq> Trevinho: and yes to both dbus questions
[11:49] <Trevinho> Saviq: it happened to you to a new lock/unlock cycle?
[11:50] <Saviq> Trevinho: alt+f2, r → icons show; Super+L + unlock → icons gone
[11:50] <Trevinho> Saviq: and when they're gone dbus is all ok, right?
[11:51] <Saviq> Trevinho: yes
[11:51] <Saviq> and yeah that upstream issue seems exactly that
[11:51] <Trevinho> let me hack something so we can see if we can get some more info
[11:57] <olj001> hello everyone
[11:58] <olj001> can someone help me with installation and running live cd? :P
[11:58] <Saviq> Trevinho: on a related note, is there a way to get chrome-gnome-shell work with snapped firefox? I suppose we're missing a gnome-shell interface?
[12:05] <didrocks> jibel: scratch my request for pastebin, as there are multiple commits now, I'll just push a branch so that you can pull/push
[12:06] <didrocks> annoying to not have those ubiquity commit rights :/
[12:12] <didrocks> jibel: just pull and push from didrocks/master, it's based on master, and what's now in cosmic: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+ref/master
[12:16] <jibel> didrocks, ask to be in ubuntu-installer team
[12:20] <didrocks> yeah, let me request for team inclusion on launchpad
[12:22] <Trevinho> Saviq: if you do Alt
[12:22] <Trevinho> Alt+f2 -> "lg" and enter
[12:22] <Trevinho> then you do this
[12:22] <Trevinho> imports.ui.main.panel._rightBox.get_children().forEach((e) => { print(e.get_child().get_children()[0].get_children()) })
[12:23] <Trevinho> what you get on your journalctl /usr/bin/gnome-shell ?
[12:29] <Saviq> Trevinho: e.get_child() is null
[12:29] <Trevinho> mhmh, it's like the whole panel area isn't showing properly
[12:30] <Trevinho> can you install an extension such as https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1162/emoji-selector/ and see if that's hidden?
[12:33] <Trevinho> Saviq: speaking of extensions though I've to check, chrome-gnome-shell can accept stuff from stdin too and that could break things if called from a confined place
[12:34] <Trevinho> Saviq: anyway from inspector you can also try to navigate
[12:34] <Trevinho> justs
[12:34] <Trevinho> write `imports.ui.main.panel._rightBox.get_children()`
[12:34] <Trevinho> then from the results go deep to see if you can find presence of AppIndicator Instances
[12:35] <Trevinho> to that call returns
[12:35] <Trevinho> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/tpcnFoaY/
[12:37] <Trevinho> in that case could be that a child isn't actually added as actor, as for sure the appindicator instance (the model) was created when I tried
[14:51] <Trevinho> kenvandine: hey, please check https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/133
[14:51] <gitlab-bot> ubuntu bug (Pull request) 133 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "desktop-exports: cleanup XDG dirs management" (comments: 0) [Open]
[14:52] <kenvandine> Trevinho, will do!
[15:14] <Laney> break things, black screen for a few hours, hackhackhackhackhack, see gdm again
[15:14] <Laney> this is life atm
[15:15] <Laney> the joy of seeing a user switcher after being deep in the mine
[15:15] <Laney> it's a sad life
[15:17] <kenvandine> :)
[16:26] <didrocks> jibel: and here is the ubiquity bionic SRU in UNAPPROVED: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+ref/bionic, same, just pull and push to the "bionic" branch please
[19:02] <k_alam> jbicha: Please review my merge requests for Unity. They are still pending. Thanks.
[19:03] <jbicha> k_alam: sorry, I'm not working on Unity right now. Please at least make sure they show up on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[19:08] <k_alam> jbicha: Ok. But only one is showing there. Not sure why..... Any idea if anyone else can review ?
[19:12] <jbicha> make sure there is a bug for the issue and that ubuntu-sponsors is subscribed
[19:13] <jbicha> you can try asking in #ubuntu-devel too
[19:13] <jbicha> I doubt I'm the only one to have done sponsoring for you in the past…
[19:13] <jbicha> and bye :|
[19:14] <jbicha> reposting in case you missed my replies
[19:14] <jbicha> make sure there is a bug for the issue and that ubuntu-sponsors is subscribed
[19:14] <jbicha> you can try asking in #ubuntu-devel too
[19:14] <jbicha> I doubt I'm the only one to have done sponsoring for you in the past…
[19:19] <k_alam> jbicha: I just subscribed those ....but it is still not on qa page?...may be it takes time to update?
[19:21] <jbicha> yes, the page is automatically updated periodically, it should show up in a few hours there at least
[19:22] <k_alam> Ok. Thanks. :)


[00:06] <qwebirc24999> can someone take a look at configure_networking's behavior for initramfs in 19.04
[00:06] <qwebirc24999> it's a little weird
[20:52] <nacc> isomari: sorry, was afk -- you should regularly do, imo, `sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade`


[01:22] <kotux> Hello, can somebody on Ubuntu 13.10 confirm this bug?
[01:22] <kotux> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1181442
[01:22] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1181442 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center reads 'Ubuntu 13.04' on Saucy" [Undecided,New]
[01:23] <infinity> kotux: Yeah, the image needs updating.
[01:23] <kotux> infinity, so that string is an image?
[01:24] <infinity> kotux: It's not a string at all, no.
[01:24] <infinity> If it was, I would have fixed it. :P
[01:24] <kotux> well, for my untrained eyes, it looked like one.  :S
[01:25] <kotux> How difficult is it update images?
[01:25] <infinity> Probably not very, I'm just not sure who has the original working copy.
[01:25] <infinity> I was considering going MS-Paint style with a spray can over it, but I'm not sure people appreciate "fun" updates anymore.
[01:25] <infinity> We've all gotten too stuffy and professional. :(
[01:26] <kotux> haha, well, do you think the bug is a manageable task for a starter?
[01:26]  * kotux updated the bug report.
[01:27] <infinity> Probably not a bitesize bug, no.  Well, not in the "anyone can do it" sense.
[01:27] <infinity> Needs someone from the design team to dig up the original logo and make it go.
[01:28] <infinity> But I might do the spray can thing as incentive for the desktop team to do it right. :P
[01:30] <kotux> Interesting. For the report, should I say the ticket affects the design team?
[01:35] <infinity> kotux: I just went ahead and assigned it to the designer who updated the image for 13.04
[01:35] <kotux> Oh great, thanks!
[01:37] <ScottK> infinity: Surely gnome-control-center isn't failing to ship things in the preferred form for modification?
[01:37] <infinity> ScottK: Yeah, I'm going to follow up with Seb and Rosie about that too. :P
[01:38] <infinity> ScottK: (That said, there are hundreds of packages in the archive that ship PNGs instead of some sort of source file)
[01:38] <infinity> And, I could edit the PNG, I just prefer not to if there's a shinier master somewhere.
[01:38] <ScottK> Sure, but in theory Canonical should know better.
[01:38] <kotux> ScottK, yeah.
[01:39] <infinity> So should GNOME and KDE, but I bet they both fail on that front too.
[01:39] <ScottK> Possible.  I know for Oxygen icons all the scalable variants are shipped (and that is the preferred form for modification)
[01:39] <kotux> infinity, say I wanted to branch gnome-control-center for scrutiny.
[01:39] <kotux> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center
[01:40] <infinity> pull-lp-source gnome-control-center or bzr co lp:ubuntu/gnome-control-center should get you similar results.
[01:40] <kotux> on Saucy (active development), there are two branches, both in development.  Which one should I pull?
[01:40] <infinity> The former being the authoritative source package, the latter being whatever the heck LP thinks is the packaging branch. :P
[01:41] <kotux> and sometimes, LP isn't so smart?
[01:41] <infinity> Oh, the saucy/saucy-proposed branches are probably identical.
[01:41] <infinity> Just the importer being silly.
[01:41] <infinity> Yeah, they're the same.
[01:42] <infinity> And they both match the archive source too.  So, whatever.
[01:42] <kotux> in time, which one should I choose?
[01:42] <kotux> when things get more complicated
[01:42] <infinity> ScottK: Anyhow, I'm not arguing that it's ideal, and I would prefer a non-lossy version of the image in the source package, but I also know it's common to not care about sources for images. :/
[01:43] <infinity> kotux: The archive is the only thing that's ever authoritative, however if you want to play well with others, follow the Vcs-Bzr field from the package's debian/control.
[01:43] <infinity> kotux: Which points to a place you've not looked yet. ;)
[01:44] <infinity> http://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/ubuntu
[01:45] <kotux> wow, three places!
[02:10] <jbicha> it would be much nicer if the version number there was dynamic text (like it is upstream) instead of as an image
[02:12] <infinity> That too.
[02:12] <jbicha> the version number listed is usually wrong half the release cycle and creates more work for backports
[02:14] <infinity> Given that it's in an Ubuntu font that ships on the system anyway, I imagine turning that into a GTK text box that populates with something that looks exactly the same wouldn't be too hard.
[02:14] <infinity> Patches welcome, etc. :)
[02:14] <infinity> For bonus point, you might even be able to get it to swap logos and text based on which *-desktop packages are installed, but that sounds a bit more ambitious.
[02:15] <infinity> (And probably not worth the effort)
[02:17] <jbicha> I guess Fedora also patches that spot but they don't include the version number https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695691
[02:17] <ubot2> jbicha: Error: Could not parse XML returned by Gnome: The read operation timed out (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695691&ctype=xml)
[02:21] <infinity> They do, actually.
[22:09] <phillw> bdmurray: as it is your bot, the patch for bug 1078820 is being installed into saucy for lubuntu.
[22:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1078820 in lubuntu-software-center (Ubuntu) "The lubuntu software centre is not showing any other software execpt the ones already installed on my computer." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078820
[22:13] <phillw> It already fixes the issue in 13.04, so I guess there will be an SRU at some point :)
[22:25] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  someone has to prep the SRU if I'm not mistaken


[03:18] <studio-user502> any screenshots of 16.10 new xfce theme?
[03:22] <studio-user502> Just curious, because there do not seem to be any available on the website.
[03:23] <studio-user502> It would be cool to see what the look/feel is like.
[19:42] <superman2036> Hi, i would like to know how i can add new applications packages to ubuntu studio as i am new to all of this...
[21:04] <Layl> hey, I've got a problem with PulseAudio volume not working between 1 and 100% in pavucontrol
[21:04] <Layl> between that it's fixed at 100%


[01:20] <ojwb> if you email someone on jan 2nd with a business enquiry, I feel it's a bit eager to chase it up on jan 3rd
[01:21] <ojwb> it was someone outside NZ, so probably not both public holidays, but still
[18:27] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:34] <Atamira> morning
[19:48] <mwhudson> morning


[04:17] <Beacon11> Hey guys
[04:18] <persia> Hey Beacon11
[04:18] <Beacon11> I have a question
[04:19] <persia> which one?
[04:19] <Beacon11> I have a via pico itx (really teeny motherboard) and I have a project I'm working on with it. Sounds big, but I have the university of idaho behind me. Basically, I'm making a really small tablet PC
[04:20] <Beacon11> And initially (this project started a little over a year ago) I was running kubuntu on it
[04:20] <Beacon11> I'm using a lilliput 629GL 7-inch touchscreen
[04:20] <Beacon11> And a few days ago, I saw a blog post about ubuntu mobile
[04:20] <Beacon11> I immediately threw away kubuntu after trying ubuntu mobile live
[04:21] <Beacon11> But... now I'm having issues getting my touchscreen working
[04:21] <Beacon11> And I'm not sure if its ubuntu mobile itself, or simply the fact that it's 8.10 now and something changed
[04:22] <Beacon11> My initial question is this: should the calibration utility included work with my touchscreen?
[04:23] <persia> The calibration utility only works with touchscreens supported by the evtouch driver (I think).  No idea if yours falls into that category.
[04:23] <Beacon11> It does, evtouch is what I used to get it working previously
[04:23] <Beacon11> But I couldn't get the utility to work before either :P
[04:24] <Beacon11> So I ended up hacking xorg.conf to work correctly
[04:24] <Beacon11> Yeah... took a while
[04:24] <persia> The utility has changed completely since 8.04.  The version in 8.04 didn't work for any screens.
[04:24] <persia> You might need an .fdi file for your screen though, if it's sufficiently special.
[04:25] <Beacon11> Hmmm... well I tested the calibration, and it then restarted X, and nothing changed. No changes to my xorg.conf either
[04:25] <Beacon11> What exactly is the utility supposed to do?
[04:25] <Beacon11> Oh
[04:25] <Beacon11> Hmm
[04:25] <Beacon11> You're over my head there– what's a .fdi file?
[04:26] <persia> I think the utility writes some hints for the size metric for the screen.  I forget what fdi is supposed to mean, but it's a file to help HAL set the properties for a given piece of hardware.
[04:26] <persia> (and I'm talking over my head as well, so apologies if something is lost in translation)
[04:27] <Beacon11> Don't worry about it, sounds like you know more than I do!
[04:28] <Beacon11> Okay, I can work on that. However... even if the calibration isn't working like I need it to, in kubuntu I just basically followed the directions here http://www.conan.de/touchscreen/evtouch.html and it worked. I created a udev rule for it, but other than that, I followed those directions
[04:29] <Beacon11> But now, when I make those changes to ubuntu mobile's xorg.conf (which is very sparse compared to what I'm used to seeing) x fails to restart
[04:29] <Beacon11> What's different now?
[04:30] <persia> 8.04 vs. 8.10.  If you grab the Kubuntu 8.10 RC, you'll get the same sparse xorg.conf.
[04:30] <Beacon11> For instance, in the xorg.xonf generated by ubuntu-mobile, there IS no section "ServerLayout"
[04:30] <Beacon11> Ah!
[04:30] <persia> X 1.5 is using XInput2 hotplug to determine the input devices from HAL.
[04:30] <Beacon11> Okay, so this has completely changed
[04:31] <persia> Yep.  Some stuff works *lots* better, like adding USB or bluetooth mice to laptops.  Some stuff needs different sorts of hacking, like touchscreens.
[04:31] <Beacon11> Hey, I'm all for improvement. So do you think that looking for the correct .fdi file for my monitor is my best bet?
[04:32] <persia> As the body of knowledge about hardware grows, the appropriate hints can be given to HAL so it works for everyone : that way once a known hack for xorg.conf exists, it can be given automatically to everyone with that hardware, rather than people passing around snippets on web pages.
[04:32] <persia> Unfortunately, the data collection part is still underway, so it is a little harder to get stuff that doesn't work by default working for now.
[04:32] <Beacon11> Ooo, I think it's worth it
[04:32] <Beacon11> What a great idea
[04:32] <persia> Well, .fdi file for the touchscreen : I suspect the display function works fine.
[04:33] <Beacon11> Oh... yeah, you're right
[04:33] <Beacon11> Also, I say this blog post http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/09/ubuntu-mobile-edition-news-and-first-boot-video
[04:33] <persia> Yeah.  I'm entirely in favour of the idea, even though it breaks a few things.  It's completely worth it.
[04:33] <Beacon11> In the comments, ogra said to email him lshal output, and he'll add support in the next image
[04:33] <Beacon11> Would you recommend that?
[04:34] <persia> I think he underestimated the number of people who would install Ubuntu Mobile :)  I'd recommend filing a bug against xserver-xorg-input-evdev with your lshal output.
[04:35] <persia> ogra will still see it, but it also gets tracked, and you'll automatically get an email when it is closed.
[04:35] <Beacon11> Ha! Well I consider that GOOD news
[04:35] <persia> I also :)
[04:35] <Beacon11> Okay, well I'll definitely file that bug. Not having much luck with an fdi file for my touchscreen though... I may just have to wait
[04:36] <persia> Well, I think the HAL package has some docs on generating an .fdi file.  If you look at the ones that come with the xserver-xorg-input-evdev package, you might be able to generate one for your device.
[04:37] <Beacon11> Hey, good idea
[04:37] <persia> (attaching a working .fdi file to a bug is even more likely to get it supported than attaching lshal output only (but please also include lshal if attaching an .fdi file)
[04:38] <persia> This is the best part of open source :)  One can fix one's own bugs.
[04:38] <Beacon11> Hahaha, I can't even decide what the best part is
[04:39] <Beacon11> Maybe that if you can't fix your own bug, you're nearly guaranteed someone else can ;)
[04:39] <persia> Personally, I think all the other good bits come from someone else fixing it before I noticed the bug :)
[04:39] <persia> (because they could fix their own bugs)
[04:39] <Beacon11> True, true
[04:42] <Beacon11> Hey, does umobile include all .fdi files? For instance... could I hunt one down somewhere on my system for another touchscreen?
[04:45] <persia> It doesn't include *all* .fdi files : the idea is to only include the ones each driver needs.  The xserver-xorg-input-evtouch package contains a few touchscreen .fdi files.
[04:47] <Beacon11> Okay, thanks :)
[04:49] <Beacon11> Alright... in a bug report, I found an fdi file for an eGalax touchscreen from Samsung. My touchscreen, although from lilliput, also identifies as eGalax. Do you think this fdi file could potentially work?
[04:51] <persia> Quite possibly.  Drop it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy and see if it helps.
[04:52] <Beacon11> Alright
[05:04] <Beacon11> An fdi file has a line that says this: <match key="info.product" contains="Touchkit Touch">
[05:04] <Beacon11> Would that info.product be the line printed in dmesg by any change?
[05:05] <persia> It would be the info.product entry from lshal.
[05:05] <Beacon11> Ah!
[05:05] <Beacon11> I think this is going to work
[05:07] <Beacon11> So my touchscreen tells lshal what it's capable of, basically?
[05:08] <persia> Right.  And then the drivers ask hal which devices they should manage.
[05:08] <persia> The .fdi files are the glue that makes this work.
[05:11] <Beacon11> Nice! Actually... this is a lot cleaner than hacking the xorg.conf. I just put all the dirty details in the .fdi file. It almost looks exactly the same!
[05:11] <Beacon11> Okay... so using the .fdi files, I don't need udev rules anymore do I?
[05:11] <Beacon11> (for my touchscreen, that is)
[05:12] <Beacon11> Because hal, using the fdi files, grabs it wherever it is anyway?
[05:37] <persia> You probably still need the udev rules to create the devices for HAL to monitor, unless your udev rule was just to get a static name for xorg.conf.
[05:44] <Beacon11> I was thinking it was just to get a static name for xorg. But here's what I have, you can tell me if I'm right:
[05:44] <Beacon11> KERNEL=="event*", SUBSYSTEM=="input", ATTRS{name}=="eGalax Inc.", SYMLINK+="input/evtouch_event"
[05:44] <persia> I think you can drop that.  Try it without it first.
[05:44] <Beacon11> Sure thing
[05:44] <persia> It ought take two of input/event*
[05:48] <Beacon11> So I see all these input.x11_options.* in my lshal. Are those default values? If I don't have an option in my fdi, it'll resort to those values?
[05:50] <Beacon11> For instance: in my lshal, I see input.x11_options.taptimer = '30' (string)
[05:50] <Beacon11> Does that mean that a line like the following is unneeded in my fdi file? <merge key="input.x11_options.taptimer" type="string">30</merge>
[05:51] <persia> I suspect that comes from your .fdi file.
[05:51] <persia> If you get that without a .fdi file, then yes, you don't need it.
[05:52] <Beacon11> I do get that without an fdi file
[05:52] <Beacon11> Okay, cool
[05:52] <persia> Then you probably don't need it.
[05:54] <Beacon11> So now, say I have this fdi file. The calibration utility writes to it, I'm assuming?
[05:54] <Beacon11> So the fact that I had no fdi file means the calibration utility had nothing to write to...?
[05:54] <persia> I think the calibration utility writes to somewhere else, although I'll admit to not really understanding it.
[05:55] <Beacon11> Okay, no problem
[06:27] <Beacon11> Ha!  My touchscreen is now working :)
[06:28] <Beacon11> Thank you so much for your help
[06:28] <Beacon11> I will now file a bug report
[06:32] <persia> Beacon11, Thanks for porting Ubuntu to work with your hardware :)
[06:32] <Beacon11> I can't wait for this ubuntu-mobile thing to go further... it's exactly what I needed to bring my project to the next step
[06:32] <Beacon11> So anything I can do to help ;)
[06:34] <persia> Well, this week, not so much.  Archive freeze is tomorrow or so, and then there's release processing, etc.
[06:34] <persia> Next release prep doesn't start until mid November or so.
[06:34] <Beacon11> All I care about is that work is continuing
[06:35] <persia> At that point, if you want to test the upcoming version, and help submit patches to fix even more bugs, I'm sure they would be accepted.
[06:35] <Beacon11> Nice
[06:35] <persia> I don't see any reason why it should stop.  It seems popular, and the release team is willing to distribute it.  As long as we all test and submit patches, it should become what we all want.
[06:35] <Beacon11> Good, I was worried about the user base
[06:36] <persia> Well, since it's never been released, that's probably pretty small right now.  I expect it will get larger.
[06:36] <Beacon11> Good
[06:36] <Beacon11> It's awfully well done for a beta
[06:36] <persia> I've been showing it off on some of my devices, and people are interested.  You might do the same, if you want to get more people involved.
[06:36] <Beacon11> There are only a few complaints I have (and the touchscreen isn't one of them)
[06:36] <persia> Well, it's based on a strong foundation :)
[06:37] <Beacon11> Yeah!
[06:37] <Beacon11> Actually
[06:37] <persia> What sort of complaints?  I could probably point you in the right direction for them.
[06:37] <Beacon11> I'm a computer engineering major at the university of idaho, and I've been asking advise from several professors, who have requested to see the project ;)
[06:38] <Beacon11> Oh, just beta ones, like how polished the web browser is (with the button to switch from drag to select, etc) but then with the previewer, that little toolbar isn't there and I need to use a fingernail to scroll
[06:38] <Beacon11> Teeny things
[06:39] <persia> Dunno how much of that will be fixed for release : it's probably worth filing bugs.  I think there's only a few packages getting updated between now and release.
[06:40] <Beacon11> Alright, I'll mention it. They aren't really bugs even... just preferences
[06:40] <Beacon11> I kinda feel guilty :P
[06:40] <Beacon11> But for me, that little toolbar at the bottom of the screen for the web browser would be very handy to have for other applications
[06:41] <persia> If you think they're just preferences ask someone in #ubuntu-bugs to set them to wishlist after filing them.
[06:41] <Beacon11> Ah, good idea
[06:41] <persia> That's actually part of the browser : it would have to be done per-program.  I agree that it'd be neat to pull the iconbar from the top to the bottom though, although I don't know how that would be done globally.
[06:42] <Beacon11> I'm thinking make that toolbar more of an applet. That way, one could make it launch with certain programs
[06:43] <Beacon11> Welll... applet... I guess I'm thinking more of a plugin
[06:43] <Beacon11> Used to ruby web apps :P
[06:43] <persia> I guess.  A lot of programs I use have a button bar on the top on the desktop.  I'd think it would be easier just to find a way to pull that to the bottom.
[06:43] <Beacon11> True
[06:46] <Beacon11> Uh ohh... I had a working fdi file, but it wasn't quite on. So I ran the calibrator... and now it's all messed up. So I thought "Okay, hopefully it just edited my fdi file and I can copy back over it." But no... the fdi file is the same. How do I make it forget the calibration? :P
[06:47] <Beacon11> I can't find much info about that
[06:48] <persia> I don't know.  Maybe xorg.conf?
[06:48] <Beacon11> Nope. Aw dang!
[06:48] <Beacon11> It's gonna be somewhere that's gonna make me feel stupid, I know it
[06:50] <persia> Fastest way is probably to look at the source for the calibration tool.
[06:51] <Beacon11> To be honest I've never done that before. How would I go about this?
[06:52] <Beacon11> The evtouch home page?
[06:52] <persia> mkdir evtouch-source; cd evtouch-source; apt-get source xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
[06:52] <Beacon11> Thank you :)
[06:53] <Beacon11> Never done the apt-get source, I'll remember that
[06:53] <persia> The goal is to make it easy, to encourage patches :)
[07:25] <Beacon11> I assume you've used this utility, correct?
[07:27] <persia> Only a couple times.  I never investigated it in depth.  One of my touchscreens isn't evtouch, and the other just works.
[07:27] <Beacon11> Oh, gotcha
[07:27] <persia> I do a lot of apt-get source though, if you have questions about that :)
[07:28] <Beacon11> Hmm.... this code prints to the screen, the utility doesn't
[07:28] <persia> That's very confusing.  That code is what generates the utility.
[07:28] <Beacon11> It prints to a relative output file, and the screen. I have a hunch the final utility grabs the screen output and does something with it
[07:28] <Beacon11> Where is that code... *searching*
[07:29] <Beacon11> Because that was only the c code, not the sh
[07:29] <persia> That sounds like a reasonable theory.
[07:30] <Beacon11> Dang... what does "mknod /tmp/ev_calibrate p" do?
[07:32] <Beacon11> Nevermind, man pages
[07:32] <persia> I think it creates a named pipe (man mknod may be helpful).
[07:41] <Beacon11> Well... I know that with this code, it requires the option Calibrate to be 1, and the reporting mode must be raw. However, I read elsewhere (now for some reason I can't remember where... maybe the bug reports) that the utility takes care of that
[07:41] <Beacon11> If that's the case... then the code for that isn't exactly the same. Right?
[07:42] <persia> I'm not sure.
[07:54] <Beacon11> Okay... so the code communicates using fifos, which is what the mknod did
[08:08] <Beacon11> Ah
[08:08] <Beacon11> The calibration utility USES this code
[08:08] <Beacon11> But it is indeed seperate code
[08:08] <Beacon11> separate...
[08:09] <Beacon11> The utility is calibrate_touchscreen, which calls ev_calibrate. ev_calibrate is the compiled version of this code
[08:09] <Beacon11> So... I need the source for calibrate_touchscreen. How would I do that?
[08:10] <Beacon11> Oh... it's just a shell
[08:10] <Beacon11> Duh
[08:12] <Beacon11> Oh clever
[08:17] <Beacon11> Too bad I haven't done more of this :S
[08:18] <persia> It's a great time to get started : you can get familiar with the processes, and be all prepared for archive open :)
[08:21] <Beacon11> No kidding! I still can't figure out where it puts that info though! It seemed like everything in the program were tmps, but there's a fifo that remains constant in all of these– tmp/ev_calibrate. The program reads from it, then closes it. These scripts create it, call the program, them remove it. I can't figure out anything beyond that, really :P
[08:22] <persia> Odd.  It has to store it somewhere.
[08:23] <Beacon11> Yeah... it tosses the screen output of the program to /dev/null, it seems
[08:23] <Beacon11> But although I can program, my in-depth linux experience is still relatively weak. I think I'm losing something there
[08:24]  * persia finds https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-September/007575.html which provides a clue, and suggests looking in the changelog for more
[08:24] <Beacon11> Hmm
[08:25] <Beacon11> No way :P
[08:26] <Beacon11> Oh man, it's right there!
[08:26] <Beacon11> \/etc/evtouch/config
[08:27] <persia> changelogs are cool :)
[08:27] <Beacon11> (don't irc often enough to know how to bypass the forward slash)
[08:27] <persia> space
[08:27] <Beacon11> Oh :P
[08:28] <Beacon11> Hmm, the log also says that it includes .fdi files to eGalax screens. Why wasn't one installed for my setup?
[08:28] <persia> It was : remember you said you found a .fdi file for the Samsung eGalax screen?
[08:29] <persia> Apparently that file didn't also work for yours.
[08:29] <Beacon11> Online, though
[08:29] <Beacon11> It wasn't included in the installation
[08:29] <persia> You might want to look under /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy ...
[08:30] <Beacon11> Ooo
[08:30] <Beacon11> Quite a collection, actually
[09:14] <Beacon11> Hey persia... I tweaked the fdi file until it works well. Should I just commend on this bug or file my own? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-evtouch/+bug/261873
[09:14] <Beacon11> comment, rather
[09:35] <elegos> hello there
[09:35] <elegos> any news about mounting Ubuntu-Mobile under eeePC?
[09:57] <elegos> does the ubuntu-mobile appear in the list of the netinstall disk?
[10:05] <persia> Beacon11, I'd recommend a new bug.
[10:06] <elegos> here I am
[10:06] <persia> elegos, ubuntu-mobile doesn't appear in the list of the netinstall disk.
[10:06] <elegos> u.u ok
[10:07] <persia> Other people have reported success with installing on an Eee, so I'm not sure what's different for you.
[10:07] <elegos> is there a way to alternatively install ubuntu mobile?
[10:07] <elegos> reading from the net I read something about JeOS but they were still speaking about Hardy
[10:08] <elegos> uhm
[10:08] <elegos> if I install a command line system
[10:08] <elegos> may I then install ubuntu-mobile as a metapackage?
[10:12] <persia> Sure.  That should work.  Or install all of ubuntu-desktop first.
[10:13] <elegos> I think that I can't install intrepid on 4GB :P
[10:13] <elegos> not a problem: dhclient eth0 && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-mobile :)
[10:16] <persia> intrepid should be fine for 4G.
[10:24] <popey> 14:43:15 < ogra> persia, popey had to install lbm on a 700 iirc
[10:24] <popey> a 900 actually :)
[10:36] <elegos> the netinstall asked me if I want to use the "recompiled" packages... are those the backports I need?
[10:45] <elegos> hey! there is ubuntu mobile as choice in the netinstall !!! :D
[10:46]  * persia is pleasantly surprised, and wonders how it works.
[10:47]  * elegos is hoping it'll work :P
[11:44] <elegos> the installation is stuck on the configuration of "scrollkeeper" (or something like that)... the HD is doing something, but it's about 5 minutes there... what should it be?
[11:47] <elegos> no problem... it's still goiing on :P
[11:47] <persia> That step takes a frustratingly long time.  Just wait.
[11:51] <elegos> on eeePC is also longer then a normal PC
[11:53] <persia> Depends on the normal PC :)
[13:17] <ian_brasil> mo mention of mobile on http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-8-10-Release-Candidate-Screenshot-Tour-96353.shtml
[13:18] <ian_brasil> :(
[13:20] <persia> That's OK.  There wasn't a lot of mention of Mobile in the RC announcement.  We need to get the wiki pages organised for the real release, and add a proper note.  That should get some attention.
[13:20] <persia> Personally, I'm glad not to have too much press before we have a decent landing site.
[13:24] <elegos> what is the package I have to install for the Atheros wifi card?


[17:00] <Cheri703> Woo! Got approved for my apartment! I'll be a Denver resident on 05/21 or 05/22 depending on how the drive goes :D
[17:30] <FunnyLookinHat> Cheri703, congrats!
[17:31] <FunnyLookinHat> Just in time to catch the end of the ski season ;)
[17:31] <Cheri703> Thanks! I was telling Ian, apartment is like <1 mile from sys76 offices, so you guys are welcome to come over on lunch breaks or whatever :D
[17:31] <Cheri703> well, I was telling all of my g+ people I suppose ;)
[17:32] <Cheri703> (wasn't planned that way, just one of like TWO apartment complexes that allow >2 dogs (I have 3))
[17:46] <FunnyLookinHat> ah right on :D


[01:28] <Omnifrog> WOO! Day 4!
[01:28]  * Unit193 scratches head.
[03:16] <Omnifrog> 4 days cigarette free!
[03:16] <Unit193> Aha, I see.  Congrats!
[03:17] <Omnifrog> 33 years smoking, 4 days ...
[03:17] <Omnifrog> I'm excited though
[07:58]  * cyberanger hands Omnifrog a pack of caffeinated mints
[07:59] <cyberanger> That's a hard thing to beat
[11:40]  * average_guy is banging his head on the keyboard
[11:40] <average_guy> I WILL figure this mpd out today
[11:49] <wrst> average_guy: that could hurt your head
[11:51] <average_guy> my head already hurts wrst
[11:52] <average_guy> barely been at it an hr today
[11:52] <wrst> :)


[06:59] <Noskcaj> micahg, the config file is finally starting to work on gthumb. there is hope yet!
[07:54] <elfy> Unit193: I wonder if we should change vanir.unit193.tk/mir/ now that you can install the necessary to a daily
[15:06] <skellat> Gridcube in the media: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20130812


[09:17] <isleofmandan> Info: Isle of Man release party for Ubuntu 15.04 - http://iom.lug.org.uk
[09:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:00] <awilkins> Anyone know why I can't import python packages I've definitely just installed (via the package manager?)
[12:01] <penguin42> a 2 vs 3 thing?
[12:02] <awilkins> Hmm, maybe, tried both 2 and 3 though
[12:06] <awilkins> Ok... i) the apt package isn't the package I was looking for so it's root namespace is different
[12:06] <awilkins> ii) Once you find that out it works in 2 but not 3
[12:07] <awilkins> I do think the friction between the Python / Ruby and Debian package management is annoying
[12:07] <penguin42> yeh it always happens when you have two different package management systems
[12:12] <directhex_> It's Complicated
[12:12] <directhex_> as is everything i seem to ever comment on
[12:14] <penguin42> well you wouldn't want to comment on anything so simple that it was below you
[12:24] <directhex_> true :p
[12:25] <directhex_> but your summary was reasonable
[16:47] <mappps> yay
[16:47] <mappps> leaving now;D holiday time
[20:14] <foobarry> anyone tried the fitness tracker bands?
[20:14] <foobarry> to monitor sleep and walkies
[20:14] <daftykins> chap i know got given a fitbit a bit ago
[20:15] <daftykins> seems to use a web based stat tracker on the PC
[20:15] <daftykins> so must run a local server
[20:15] <foobarry> the xiaomi one is v cheap and you use an android/apple app
[20:15] <diddledan> I've got an ms band (as of wednesday)
[20:15] <diddledan> doubles as a watch
[20:16] <foobarry> multiple sclerosis?
[20:16] <diddledan> apparently my heart-rate goes down to about 55 when I'm asleep
[20:16] <diddledan> err. no. microsoft
[20:16] <foobarry> oh
[20:16] <foobarry> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Xiaomi-Lightweight-Smart-Bluetooth4-0-Bracelet-Black/dp/B00RMO0T5I
[20:16] <foobarry> these are v cheap
[20:16] <foobarry> i dont think it measures heart rate though
[20:16] <foobarry> just sleep and walking
[20:17] <foobarry> and notification vibrate
[20:18] <popey> foobarry: i have a fitbit
[20:20] <popey> blimety that xiaomi thing is cheap
[20:20] <foobarry> only does 2 things
[20:21] <foobarry> my bro in law has one
[20:21] <popey> the fitbit only does two things
[20:21] <popey> (the one I have)
[20:21] <popey> but mine is an older version, the first band
[20:22] <foobarry> popey: fitbit is a gimmick or useful?
[20:22] <foobarry> maybe i just like the idea of collecting data
[20:23] <popey> its good for setting  targets
[20:23] <popey> and can wake you gently
[20:23] <popey> and monitor your sleep pattern
[20:23] <popey> so has valid uses
[20:23] <foobarry> i haz no  targets
[20:23] <popey> if any of those are important to you.
[20:23] <popey> 10k steps a day is a good target
[20:23] <foobarry> but is fun for comparing steps vs wife
[20:23] <popey> a good starter anyway
[20:23] <popey> yeah
[20:25] <foobarry> do u stil use it?
[20:31] <popey> no
[20:31] <popey> not often
[20:31] <popey> yet another thing to keep charged
[20:32] <daftykins> i reckon that's their main issue, all this fitness lark
[20:33] <popey> i did use a phone based one on the iphone a while back
[20:33] <popey> "Moves"
[20:33] <popey> which was really rather well done.
[20:34] <popey> counted steps as you'd expect but also provided little maps of where you did the steps
[20:34] <popey> so was dead handy for doing things like looking back over a week and seeing where you ate when you come to do your expenses
[20:34] <daftykins> another average day on the main roads of Guernsey - https://www.dropbox.com/s/5y8ngn723zc8ba3/IMG_20150419_181747.jpg?dl=0
[20:36] <foobarry> the xiaomi one lasts 30 days or so allegedly
[20:36] <foobarry> don't quote me on that tho