 @rubicbacher [<rubicbacher> how can i get my usb to install ubuntu], Use rufus.
[12:59] <LargePrime> hi. i got a weird problem. when applications with an item in "indicator applets" adds an item it adds a huge number of the launched applications icons appear. if i right click and disable "indicator applications" and then re check it, only one icon appears.
[12:59] <LargePrime> https://ibb.co/nzq1n3B
[12:59] <LargePrime> also how do i remove the 'live patch' icon
[13:33] <kc2bez> LargePrime: You can try this to remove the livepatch notification `sudo ubuntu-advantage disable-livepatch -r`
[15:23] <sappheiros> how do i correct a typo? e.g. for keyboard at https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/3.1/3.1.3/qterminal.html
[15:46] <tomreyn> sappheiros: i don't really know, but here's a guess: you need to clone this git repo, and either get write permissions to it or fork it and create a patch: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/manual/
[15:46] <sappheiros> how much time would that take if you know what you're doing?
[15:47] <sappheiros> meh dumb question sorry
[15:47] <tomreyn> see also the "Contributing" section on the bottom of this page.
[15:57] <sappheiros> 'k thank you.
[19:31] <LargePrime> kc2bez, that didnt work. got "Canonical Livepatch is not enabled" and the icon stayed in the indicator applets
[23:27] <Newbie101> Hello there. I am entirely new to linux, and I am experiencing some problems when trying to install Lubuntu. So far Ive tried to install 18.04.2 which will not boot on my system (Kernel panic), and 19.04 which boots fine, but crashes when I try to launch a program. Am I using the wrong versions? And is there something one need to do to prep a computer for linux that I may have missed?


[09:52] <jcverdie> Hi all, does anyone know how/if I can deploy a juju framework on a pre-existing amazon instance? I have reserved instances which I'd like to use for this
[09:52] <jcverdie> e.g. instead of adding machines which are created by juju, using my own machines...
[10:15] <axw__> jcverdie: yes, using manual provisioning. it works well in the latest dev release, it's a bit flakey in the stable release
[10:16] <axw__> jcverdie: I have to run, but the docs are here: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-manual.html
[10:16] <axw__> (a little out of date, but mostly still true)
[10:17] <jcverdie> thanks Im gonna look
[13:36] <tomixxx> hi, when i try to assign multiple charms to the same machine, i get an error in agent-state-info. it seems that the machine cannot download some things from http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com. Please have a look on the output of the terminal when i call "juju status": http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6873041/ As u can see in the output, i have tried it now several times but every time the lxc container failed to create
[14:09] <tomixxx> can i install "juju" if i have installed "juju-core"?
[14:20] <lazyPower> tomixxx: juju is a metapackage, It won't harm anything.
[14:21] <tomixxx> lazyPower: i still have the problem that i cannot assign multiple charms to the same machine
[14:21] <lazyPower> do you have the juju-local package installed?
[14:23] <tomixxx> lazyPower: no i have not installed this package
[14:23] <lazyPower> tomixxx: you will need to destroy your environment, install the juju-local package, then rebootstrap your local environment
[14:24] <lazyPower> tomixxx: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-LXC.html
[14:25] <tomixxx> lazyPower: ok i will do this
[14:25] <lazyPower> Best of luck. Ping me if you get stuck
[14:25] <tomixxx> ty
[15:03] <tomixxx> lazyPower: i have followed your guide and then i have called "juju deploy mysql --to lxc:0" again but i got the same error
[15:04] <lazyPower> tomixxx:  shoot me a pastebin of your juju-status output again please
[15:05] <tomixxx> lazyPower: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6873459/
[15:06] <jcverdie> Hi I'd like to deploy to a EC2 instance which I already have, but as it's a regular EC2 i have to use PEM to connect to it, and I can't find how to do it with juju ?
[15:07] <lazyPower> tomixxx: does the machine you're bootstrapping juju on have internet connectivity?
[15:07] <tomixxx> lazyPower: no
[15:07] <lazyPower> jcverdie: what you're attempting to do is manual provisioning
[15:07] <lazyPower> jcverdie: thats still very much in beta phases at this point
[15:07] <jcverdie> lazyPower: I did it (juju switch null)
[15:07] <jcverdie> but juju bootstrap fails : ERROR failed to enable bootstrap storage: failed to create storage dir: exit status 255 (Permission denied (publickey).)
[15:07] <lazyPower> tomixxx: you will need to get that machine to have connectivity before creating the containers will work. Its dependent on the cloud-tools to bootstrap the node.
[15:08] <jcverdie> because when i ssh it i have to do ssh -i mykey.pem
[15:08] <tomixxx> lazyPower: My architecture is as follow: my maas-server is connected to two nodes via switch. the maas-server has to network interfaces: one interface is connected to the switch and the other interface connects me to the internet
[15:08] <lazyPower> jcverdie: ok, so its an ssh auth error. Can you add your sshkey to the authorized_keys on the host?
[15:08] <jcverdie> and I don't know how to tell juju to do it
[15:09] <jcverdie> i'll try
[15:09] <lazyPower> tomixxx: The only resolution here is to get internet connectivity to the host that is bootstrapping those lxc containers, i'm sorry.
[15:10] <lazyPower> jcverdie: ssh-copy-id -i $PATH_TO_KEY ubuntu@host
[15:10] <tomixxx> lazyPower: lazyPower: ok
[15:11] <jcverdie> lazyPower: i have the public .pem and my own public rsa in the authorized keys on the server
[15:12] <lazyPower> Ok that should be good. When you ssh to that host, you no longer have to specify the key, correct?
[15:12] <jcverdie> lazyPower: right, but juju bootstrap still fails :(
[15:13] <lazyPower> jcverdie: still on object storage?
[15:13] <jcverdie> yep, exactly the same error
[15:13] <lazyPower> hmm.. is juju using a different keypair than what you have provided to the host?
[15:14] <jcverdie> no, i've put my 3 keys on the server
[15:14] <jcverdie> could it be somethign wrong in my environments.yaml ?
[15:14] <lazyPower> well, one second
[15:14] <lazyPower> is juju trying to use your personal user and not ubuntu? there's a config flag for the user
[15:14] <lazyPower>     # bootstrap-user:
[15:15] <jcverdie> i've set bootstrap-host, bootstrap-user
[15:15] <lazyPower> I'm not sure then :| that should have been a green light to juju
[15:16] <jcverdie> and there's a storage-auth-key which I haven't set but it's there
[15:16] <lazyPower> yeah, you should be fine without that. I haven't used the configuration field in my trial tests of the manual provider
[15:16] <jcverdie> :(
[15:18] <lazyPower> jcverdie: i'll keep brain bending on this, but i'm not sure why that's not working. can you pastebin me all the non-sensitive stuff relating to the null provider from your environments.yaml?
[15:18] <jcverdie> sure
[15:19] <jcverdie> did you get it ?
[15:19] <lazyPower> tomixxx: another thing, make sure your lxc bridge device is pointed at the proper ethernet port to get internet connectivity too. The bootstrap process will be downloading bits from the itnernet as well.
[15:19] <lazyPower> i did
[15:20] <jcverdie> brb
[15:20] <tomixxx> lazyPower: how do i check this?
[15:21] <lazyPower> tomixxx: lxcbr0 (the default bridge device created by juju) is by default attached to eth0 ( i'm pretty sure ) and if you need to change that
[15:22] <lazyPower> the configuration of the bridge interface is found in /etc/lxc/default.conf - but it doesn't look like it has the bridged interface there...
[15:23] <tomixxx> lazyPower: ok, in my case, eth0 has no internet, but eth1 has
[15:23] <lazyPower> tomixxx: ah its in /etc/default/lxc
[15:24] <lazyPower> you can configure the LXC virtual bridge device / vnet in that file. it will require a restart to take hold however. I don't believe that sudo service networking restart will affect the LXC bridge device.
[15:25] <tomixxx> lazyPower: hmm, LXC_ADDR="<IP_ADDRESS>"
[15:26] <lazyPower> if you don't want to reach the containers that LXC is spinning up on your network thats fine. Juju's local provider occupies that ip range by default
[15:26] <lazyPower> if do you DO however want to reach your LXC containers, you will need to do some configuration magic
[15:27] <tomixxx> lazyPower: i have to use lxc-containers because i have only 2 nodes
[15:28] <lazyPower> tomixxx: I understand. I have an intranet deployed in my house using juju and lxc containers.
[15:28] <lazyPower> it works really well, but I don't know that its something I would want to use in production. It does get a bit wonky here and there.
[15:57] <tomixxx> lazyPower: do i need to change my "interfaces" file in order to enable the cloud-nodes to access the internet?
[15:57] <lazyPower> I don't believe so
[15:58] <tomixxx> lazyPower: Ok, so there is no need to configure a "bridge" or sth like that?
[15:58] <lazyPower> thats what i pointed you at, the LXC bridge configuration
[15:59] <tomixxx> lazyPower: k, but what do i have to change there?
[16:01] <lazyPower> tomixxx: not knowing how your network is configured, or the host machine, thats difficult to say.
[16:02] <tomixxx> lazyPower: my network is configured as follow: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6873735/
[16:03] <tomixxx> lazyPower: eth1 connects me to the internet and eth0 connects me to the cloud-nodes
[16:03] <lazyPower> tomixxx: there's a discussion on this in the forums, read through this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2137446
[16:05] <tomixxx> lazyPower k, ty
[17:24] <tomixxx3> i have tried to NAT the traffic from the LXC bridge to the internet-capable network interface eth1: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6874102
[17:24] <tomixxx3> the problem is it does not work
[17:25] <tomixxx3> i get the same error when i call "juju status" -> "failed to get https://cloud-images.ubunt.com/..."
[17:33] <tomixxx3> lazyPower: do i have to rebootstrap juju if i have changed lxc bridge settings?=
[17:34] <marcoceppi_> tomixxx3: possibly
[17:34] <tomixxx3> marcoceppi: i have only modified the "interfaces" file, in detail. i added some port-forwarding lines
[17:35] <tomixxx3> marcoceppi: i have already restarted the maas-server but it seems still not work because i cannot create lxc containers
[17:35] <marcoceppi_> tomixxx3: didn't realize you were driving lxc with maas
[17:36] <tomixxx3> marcoceppi: i have deployed juju on top of maas because i want to use openstack
[17:36] <tomixxx3> marcoceppi: in order to deploy juju charms, i need to have multiple charms on a single machine
[17:36] <tomixxx3> marcoceppi: and therefore, i need lxc containers
[17:37] <marcoceppi_> tomixxx3: right, but are the LXC containers in maas, or are you using juju deploy --to lxc:# ?
[17:37] <tomixxx3> i use "juju deploy XXX --to lxc:x"
[17:37] <marcoceppi_> tomixxx3: you won't need to re-bootstrap
[17:38] <marcoceppi_> but I'm not sure if anything else is required
[17:39] <tomixxx3> k, the problem is, when i try to deploy sth i call "juju status" after it and then i can see that the creation of the lxc container failed because the container was not able to download sth
[17:39] <marcoceppi_> right, so some networking issue
[17:39] <marcoceppi_> what version of juju are you using?
[17:40] <tomixxx3> if its "agent-version" it is <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:41] <tomixxx3> marcoceppi: the output of "juju status" looks like the following: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6874176
[17:41] <marcoceppi_> tomixxx3: yeah, I think lxc bridge stuff was patched in 1.17.2, but the person who would know that is not online right now
[17:41] <tomixxx3> marcoceppi: as u can see, i have tried it multiple times
[17:42] <tomixxx3> marcoceppi: 0/lxc/4 was last try ;)
[17:43] <tomixxx3> maroceppi: so, do you mean it make sense to go to version 1.17.2?
[17:45] <tomixxx3> marcoceppi: i mean latest, not last
[17:49] <marcoceppi_> tomixxx3: for LXC stuff, yes
[17:49] <marcoceppi_> it's something thats actively beinig worked on in juju at the moment
[17:54] <tomixxx3> marcoceppi: i fear that the main problem is that i have made some mistake when configuriering or installing sth
[18:08] <cjohnston> Is there a way to get juju to automatically clean up the security group spam it creates?
[18:17] <marcoceppi_> cjohnston: no, but there is a tool you can compile with go to do it
[18:18] <marcoceppi_> cjohnston: though it's a bit...over zealous


[04:02] <square-r00t> jedijf: they also have KDE and XFCE versions of mint
[04:03] <square-r00t> as of v17
[04:04] <square-r00t> but i'd stick with MATE- it's developed by Mint themselves, as is Cinnamon, but supports older hardware better than Cinnamon
[13:09] <jedijf> square-r00t: grabbed both - 32's and user guides
[13:10] <jedijf> rmg51: you have any 64's
[13:10] <rmg51> I have both
[13:33] <jedijf> good
[13:35] <rmg51> back in a bit
[13:35] <rmg51> I need to reboot
[22:24] <ChinnoDog> Why can I not find a fosscon agenda?
[22:25] <pleia2> click on "Speakers"
[22:30] <ChinnoDog> Ooh. It has a schedule now.


[09:17] <tsdgeos> Cimi: ping
[09:28] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/test_stubborn_flick/+merge/252407 for one of the tests that now suddenly fails
[09:29] <tsdgeos> i'm having a look at the Dash ones
[09:29] <tsdgeos> the TabletShell and WideView ones need mterry i'd say
[09:30] <tsdgeos> seem real flackyness since i can have them fail here too sometimes and not depending on what sdk version i have
[09:30] <tsdgeos> maybe we got slower/faster CI now
[09:30] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ktx
[09:30] <tsdgeos> and it exposes them
[10:01] <tsdgeos> Saviq: in https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/scope-tool-dependencies/+merge/251573 you don't mean making them build time dependencies
[10:02] <tsdgeos> since they are build time dependencies already
[10:02] <tsdgeos> you mean changing the code, no?
[10:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes
[10:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, obviously unless you can understand the reason if it can't be build-time, when I'd like a comment near the code, so we don't have to go through that exercise again
[10:05] <Saviq> blame doesn't help
[10:10] <Cimi> tsdgeos, saw the review
[10:10] <Cimi> tsdgeos, you propose to scroll the previewimagegallery?
[10:11] <tsdgeos> Cimi: it is scrolled already, isn't it?
[10:11] <tsdgeos> i just proposed to do it immediately
[10:11] <tsdgeos> and that closing gives you the nice animation instead of the non nice one
[10:12] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yeah, my only guess is if you want to run a different regisyty, etc by modyfing the PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[10:12] <tsdgeos> that i guess at some point can be interesting
[10:12] <Cimi> tsdgeos, there is the overlay and the listview in the preview
[10:13] <Saviq> tsdgeos, if you wanted to allow overriding the scope path, there's probably better ways than to change PKG_CONFIG_PATH...
[10:13] <Cimi> tsdgeos, if you scroll the overlay to an image that in the original listview is outside the view, it still goes there (out of screen)
[10:13] <Cimi> tsdgeos, how do you propose to fix it?
[10:15] <tsdgeos> Saviq: like?
[10:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, like explicit arguments to the tool ;)
[10:16] <Saviq> not hidden functionality through pkg-config
[10:16] <tsdgeos> Saviq: it's not better if you already have it coded :D
[10:16] <tsdgeos> Cimi: i don't propose to fix it, since it is already doing it
[10:16] <tsdgeos> Cimi: have you done what i say on my comment?
[10:17] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so the only problem I can see with making it build-time is that the tool could get outdated in case the paths changed
[10:18] <Saviq> tsdgeos, as there's nothing the tool links to to warrant rebuilds, we'd need a lib with those paths
[10:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so yeah, let's leave it run-time for now, and once we make libs in unity-api is when we'd move
[10:19] <tsdgeos> yeah, i mean it's not like it's a huge problem anyway given that it's a "devel" tool
[10:20] <tsdgeos> Saviq: want me to comment on the MR?
[10:20] <tsdgeos> saying "let's leave it as it is for now"? or you do?
[10:20] <Saviq> tsdgeos, rather add a comment in code where it's calling pkg-config
[10:20] <Saviq> tsdgeos, saying why we're doing it runtime
[10:21] <tsdgeos> ok
[10:45] <tsdgeos> Saviq: added the comment
[10:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, tx
[12:24] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I fixed that, however there's a binding loop for loader xScale/yScale first when you open it
[12:24] <Cimi> tsdgeos, but cannot see anything wrong though
[12:24] <tsdgeos> i'll check, tx
[12:25] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I can add a comment with // there is a binding loop here
[12:27] <tsdgeos> Cimi: i'd prefer no unless we know why exactly and why it's unfixable
[12:27] <tsdgeos> or do you know?
[12:27] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I don't
[12:27] <Cimi> tsdgeos, unless is due to the verticalScaling boolean
[12:28] <Cimi> tsdgeos, yeah, that boolean
[12:29] <Cimi> tsdgeos, xScale uses yScale and viceversa, but they both re evaluated when verticalScaling changes
[12:31] <tsdgeos> hmmmm
[12:31] <tsdgeos> ok, let me first check it works nicely and then we cna have a look at the code to see if there's a way to fix that or not
[12:33] <tsdgeos> but first good!
[12:33] <tsdgeos> err
[12:33] <tsdgeos> food :D
[12:34] <Cimi> :)
[13:50] <mterry> dandrader, can you merge your unifyShellTests branch from trunk?
[13:51] <mterry> err, merge trunk into your branch that is
[13:52] <dandrader> mterry, ok
[13:52] <tsdgeos> Mirv: you back already or still on holidays?
[13:53] <mterry> dandrader, thanks!  :)
[13:53] <dandrader> mterry, done
[13:54] <mterry> dandrader, awesome
[13:59] <tsdgeos> Cimi: why that implicitHeight to 1?
[14:17] <tsdgeos> Cimi: that works much nicer :)
[14:19] <Cimi> tsdgeos, to avoid a couple of divisions by 0
[14:22] <Mirv> tsdgeos: back tomorrow
[14:23] <tsdgeos> Mirv: oki, ping me then :)
[14:30] <Cimi> tsdgeos, ?
[14:31] <tsdgeos> Cimi: ? what? _D
[14:31] <Cimi> tsdgeos, saw the binding issue?
[14:31] <tsdgeos> yep
[14:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you talking with Timo about backporting the dbus patches?
[14:34] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do we want them backported already even if not landed upstream?
[14:34] <tsdgeos> Cimi: i guess we can live with those
[14:34] <tsdgeos> should be possible to fix some of them
[14:34] <Cimi> it is just 2
[14:34] <tsdgeos> but probably making the code harder to read
[14:34] <tsdgeos> so not sure worth it
[14:34] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no, thought that was what you were pinging him about, wanted to let you know that mzanetti has another thing to backport for pixel ratio
[14:35] <tsdgeos> Saviq: it was a fix for a crash greyback_ found that is fixed for 5.4.2
[14:35] <tsdgeos> and to tell him that we can probably land 5.4.1 now that we found the keyboard crash was because the cache wasn't cleared properly
[14:36] <tsdgeos> Saviq: speaking of which any chance of landing https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/qtmir/load_generic_sensors_test_5_4_1 soon?
[14:36] <mzanetti> https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-38127
[14:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, QA is quite backed up, we've a silo for unity8 and qtmir already...
[14:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so yeah, in the next landing, wherever it might be...
[14:38] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: is that something you need to fix in the provider side? yesterday i came across https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/122869/diff/#index_header
[14:38] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ok
[14:38] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: which according to David is the right thing to do
[14:39] <Saviq> tsdgeos, having providers know about pixel ratio sounds wrong, doesn't it?
[14:39] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, no, I don't think the provider should need to care
[14:39] <tsdgeos> it does to me
[14:39] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, also, it can't in all cases
[14:39] <tsdgeos> but i won't claim i understand it
[14:40] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, the image provider should already get transformed sizes, which is what happens in 5.5
[14:40] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, also because QML will read the returned image's size and if the provider just returns double the requested size, it'll confuse qml a lot in some cases
[14:41] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: well you can set the devicepixels thing in the qimage
[14:41] <tsdgeos> but as said, i won't claim i am up to date on how that thing works
[14:41] <mzanetti> yeah, at least 5.4 doesn't seem to care about that at all
[14:43] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, with that kimageprovider patch, if one sets "sourceSize.width: width" and no width it'll end up generating bigger and bigger images in an endless loop
[14:53] <mterry> Ugh, there is a failing qmluitest in trunk, in TabletShell
[14:53] <mterry> I'm guessing it's my fault
[14:53] <tsdgeos> mterry: wideSomething too
[14:53] <tsdgeos> i had a look
[14:53] <tsdgeos> and seems like a timing issue
[14:53] <tsdgeos> mterry: it'd be great if you could have a look yes
[14:54] <mterry> tsdgeos, hrm
[14:54] <tsdgeos> mterry: i.e if i add a few wait() in places
[14:54] <tsdgeos> i can make it pass some more and fails somewhere else :D
[15:23] <Cimi> thostr_, kgunn alecu in order to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1267184 someone will probably have to write a click installation service that unity8 and click store will use
[15:31] <alecu> Cimi: yes, a click installation service is something that's needed to solve that bug.
[15:32] <alecu> Cimi: it's not a trivial amount of work, so I'd like to understand better where this will be shown, to make it worth the effort.
[15:32] <alecu> Cimi: since we are not adding the just installed apps automatically to the launcher, the progress will only be shown on scopes
[15:33] <Cimi> alecu, we won't?
[15:33] <Cimi> alecu, that's what we currently do on the desktop
[15:33] <alecu> Cimi: we had an open bug to add the app to the launcher that was closed as won't fix, iirc
[15:34] <Cimi> mzanetti, ping
[15:34] <alecu> Cimi: I think that the problem is when you install a few apps the launcher gets too crowded.
[15:34] <mzanetti> Cimi, hey
[15:34] <alecu> *the launcher would get too crowded, that is.
[15:34] <Cimi> mzanetti, read le last lines
[15:34] <Cimi> mzanetti, what will happen with newly installed apps on the launcher?
[15:35] <mzanetti> Cimi, dunno... haven't ever gotten a definite answer from design. Last statement was they don't want to pin new apps automatically... but there are conflicting specs
[15:36] <alecu> mzanetti: Cimi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1350568
[15:37] <mzanetti> Cimi, alecu: Design work for launcher on desktop has started now. That might change this again.
[15:38] <alecu> I hope that includes the convergence use case.
[15:38] <Cimi> in that bug they said that we want to pin apps on the desktop
[15:39] <mzanetti> yeah, I'm highlighting the convergence stuff all the time
[15:39] <alecu> great
[16:17] <mterry> dandrader, I just filed an MP for lp:~mterry/unity8/fix-two-qmluitests which will conflict with your unifyTestShell
[16:17] <mterry> dandrader, I didn't want to base it on yours, since mine felt closer to trunk, and could easily land without yours
[16:18] <mterry> dandrader, but it should be trivial to rebase yours on mine
[16:19] <dandrader> mterry, ok
[16:21] <tsdgeos> Cimi: there?
[16:21] <Cimi> tsdgeos, yes
[16:21] <tsdgeos> Cimi: one last thing in https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/fix-previewoverlay/+merge/251728
[16:22] <tsdgeos> do we really need the change in https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/fix-previewoverlay/+merge/251728 ?
[16:22] <tsdgeos> er
[16:22] <tsdgeos> in tests/qmltests/Dash/Previews/tst_PreviewImageGallery.qml
[16:22] <tsdgeos> i mean
[16:22] <Cimi> tsdgeos, it makes the window not squared
[16:22] <tsdgeos> ah good
[16:22] <Cimi> tsdgeos, so it tests the squared image zoomed on a not-squared screen
[16:28] <tsdgeos> Cimi: ah, and really last thing
[16:28] <tsdgeos> Cimi: can you give it a better commit message?
[16:28] <Cimi> hah
[16:28] <tsdgeos> it's not really a "Refactor"
[16:28] <tsdgeos> well it is
[16:28] <tsdgeos> but i don't care
[16:29] <tsdgeos> i care that it fixes the bug bla bla
[16:29] <Cimi> tsdgeos, done
[16:29] <tsdgeos> thank
[16:29] <tsdgeos> s
[18:19] <dandrader> is anybody else having timeout issues with launchpad?
[18:20] <dandrader> mzanetti, could you please re-approve this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/controlTouchEmulationFromQML/+merge/252489
[18:21] <dandrader> mzanetti, I had to resubmit it to add lp:~dandrader/unity8/unifyShellTests as a prerequisite
[18:21] <dandrader> mzanetti, to solve a merge conflict between them
[18:22] <dandrader> hmm, got two "Launchpad internal error" e-mails...
[18:41] <mzanetti> dandrader, the diff seems empty too
[18:41] <dandrader> weird. let me see if I messed up somethign
[18:42] <dandrader> mzanetti, ah... I got two "Launchpad internal error" e-mails telling me that they could not produce a diff. maybe that's it
[18:44] <dandrader> mzanetti, it merges manually just fine
[18:44] <dandrader> (locally)
[18:44] <mzanetti> ok
[20:59] <cheekoli> how might I add key bindings to increase/decrease the number of workspaces in unity on the fly? is that possible?
[21:00] <cheekoli> i can currently go through compizconfig to edit them manually, but i'd like to be able to add a workspace and push a window to it with keyboard shortcuts
[21:33] <Saviq> cheekoli, I don't think that's possible with compiz directly, but it should be possible to script it
[21:33] <Saviq> and then have a script run on a keybinding
[21:52] <cheekoli> Saviq, yea--I can probably probably hack together something using any number of languages.. any idea where those values are stored??  in config files in ~ or gconf or something?
[21:52] <Saviq> cheekoli, gsettings
[21:52] <cheekoli> thanks, that should give me enough to dig in
[21:53] <Saviq> cheekoli, it's under org.compiz.profiles


[00:04] <shauno> (legit freebie, not five-fingered)
[00:04] <daftykins> i wouldn't think you the sort, sir
[00:04] <shauno> heh
[00:04] <daftykins> after a 6 month contract doing IT support in an educational establishment, they phoned me up one day to ask if i knew where one of their Asus Eee netbooks went
[00:04] <shauno> we had to dispose of a whole bunch of them when we finally figured out how to move the application they hosted to VMs
[00:05] <daftykins> i owned a sony ultraportable at the time which i took it several times so they knew i had something better
[00:05] <daftykins> odd they didn't think the guy that left to go travelling and kept saying "these are really nice machines" had done it
[00:05] <daftykins> shauno: :D
[00:05] <daftykins> shauno: was it tricky?
[00:06] <shauno> it actually was .. all the licences were tied to a SN it pulled from an eprom on the board
[00:06] <daftykins> ooh, how is the EEPROM shared on the VMs to allow reading?
[00:07] <shauno> I replaced the tool it uses to read the eprom, with a script that shoves out an imaginary number  (VM+the mac address)
[00:07] <daftykins> XD
[00:07] <shauno> so now we can just tie licences to those
[00:08] <shauno> (it's our software, so the licences aren't an issue .. but they do need a number to tie to)
[00:08] <shauno> just it's cranky old stuff that was EOL'd in 2005, and if you ask the development guys in india for any help, you'll grow old waiting
[00:10] <daftykins> :( they don't even shut you down?
[00:11] <shauno> well we're not meant to support it anymore either
[00:12] <shauno> but it works out a whole lot better if we can when we have to
[00:12] <daftykins> i'm so glad i've gotten rid of XP from everywhere i used to see it
[00:12] <shauno> telling customers they're SOL is really bad for all the happy metric stuff that managers obsess over  lol
[00:14] <daftykins> metric stuff? what does that thing do?
[00:15] <shauno> I mean the various ways the managers measure how useful we are
[00:16] <shauno> like one of the big ones is how many hours a case stays open for.  that's really difficult when you have equipment that no-one supports
[00:16] <daftykins> :|
[00:16] <shauno> so our lab has more hacks than an 80s movie :)
[00:17] <daftykins> "it no longer exists" is not a good enough reason? :(
[00:25]  * zmoylan-pi remembers a cpm computer still in use in the 90s as it had been modified by crazed electrician to control power plant
[00:26] <daftykins> D:
[00:27] <zmoylan-pi> with code running uncompiled...
[00:27] <zmoylan-pi> in basic :-)
[00:28] <shauno> heh, I used to work in a hotel that used a dos program as their booking app
[00:28] <shauno> every year they printed out all the bookings, and then changed the year in the config file and started from fresh
[00:29] <daftykins> XD
[00:29] <daftykins> that must've been a fine print run
[00:29] <daftykins> surely they hit some memory limitations?
[00:29] <zmoylan-pi> and every leap year there was panic?
[00:30] <shauno> nah, it didn't handle 2k well
[00:30] <shauno> so they just nuked it and started again each year
[00:30] <shauno> and every winter we'd be taking next summer's bookings on paper, until the computer got flicked around
[00:31] <zmoylan-pi> i remember servicing a video point of sales system that some staff had tried to insert money into
[00:31] <zmoylan-pi> coins on motherboard are bad, m'kay
[00:33] <shauno> man, it's been so long since I've used this router, I have no idea what I'm doing :/
[00:34]  * zmoylan-pi passes shauno my hammer
[00:38] <shauno> I think I've got it.  just waiting 3 years for it to reboot to find out :/
[00:49] <shauno> ah.  forgot when I get a new v4 address I have to update HE's end of the tunnel too
[00:49] <shauno> sorted \o/
[00:53] <shauno> I still have no idea why this works.  one modem, two routers, they both get addresses
[00:54] <daftykins> wat.
[00:54] <shauno> yarly.
[00:54] <daftykins> i'm sure that's permissable when paying for it, but not if you're not
[00:54] <daftykins> maybe your ISP just has no idea?
[00:54] <daftykins> have you tried for a third?
[00:55] <shauno> yup.  I can get 4, one off each port on the modem
[00:55] <shauno> but I only really have use for 2 :)
[00:55] <daftykins> O_O
[00:55] <daftykins> are they sequential too, or just in the same space?
[00:55] <daftykins> the IPs
[00:56] <shauno> oh they're nowhere close
[00:56] <daftykins> and unrepeatable? assuming you're on dynamic
[00:57] <shauno> atm my wifi's 89.101.etc and my lab is 46.7.etc
[00:57] <shauno> they seem to get a decent length lease on each mac address
[00:57] <shauno> so the lab only changes if I leave it unplugged for >28 days
[00:58] <shauno> and my wifi .. there's no way I'm unplugging that for 28 days to find out :)
[00:58] <daftykins> XD
[00:59] <shauno> so my network is really quite messy
[00:59] <shauno> both my apple router & my lab router have v6 tunnels
[00:59] <shauno> and then the lab router is advertising a private ipv6 subnet to the real router
[01:00] <daftykins> just so both sides can chat?
[01:01] <shauno> yeah.  otherwise connecting to a box under my desk goes router->isp->london->paris->isp>router2
[01:01] <shauno> (because henet-london didn't have any free endpoints when I setup the tunnel for the lab, so their endpoints are in different cities)
[01:02] <shauno> and then for v4 they're completely seperate networks
[01:06] <shauno> the lab is 12u of some very noisy trash, so I have this convoluted config so I can reach it without routing through it.  because noisy trash gets turned off a lot.
[01:11] <daftykins> shauno: do you have pics? :D
[01:12] <shauno> http://cl.ly/image/3U001H143S31
[01:15] <daftykins> cor, nice footwarmer
[01:16] <shauno> lol.  I don't sit at the desk often.  there's not really space for me there anymore
[01:16] <daftykins> :)
[01:18] <daftykins> is there a nice hum from over there?
[01:19] <shauno> it's not so bad as long as the dell's off
[01:21] <daftykins> :D
[01:22] <daftykins> i had a 1U poweredge with dual P4 era Xeons
[01:22] <daftykins> damn it was all noise and no beans
[01:26] <shauno> that's probably what this is lol .. 2xE5420
[01:27] <daftykins> hrmm
[01:27] <daftykins> one i had, had 2GB RAM totally decked out
[01:27] <daftykins> i was playing with what was VMware ESXi at the time, but that RAM wasn't much for anything :(
[01:27] <shauno> this should take 32, but I won't pay for it
[01:27] <shauno> (ecc ddr2 is *not* cheap)
[01:28] <shauno> or it wasn't last time I looked  heh
[01:29] <shauno> oh now see, this is how bad things happen
[01:29] <shauno> 32GB for this machine is around 140eur
[01:29] <shauno> for 150, I can get the same machine again, but with 32 already in it (and two slightly better procs)
[01:30] <daftykins> !
[01:30] <daftykins> that's insane
[01:30] <daftykins> :>
[01:31] <shauno> seriously, http://www.ebay.ie/itm/381036708860   for 10 quid more, the ram comes with a 3GHz 'footwarmer'
[01:31] <shauno> I may have to keep an eye on that to see if it moves =x
[01:34] <shauno> heh, so I fired it up to see what cpuinfo said
[01:34] <shauno> now I'm staring at it wondering why on earth it's running centos
[01:35] <daftykins> :D
[01:38] <shauno> anyway.  now that it's all alive .. I'm going to bed
[01:38] <daftykins> nn sir :)
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.amazon.com/Did-You-Read-That-Review-ebook/dp/B00O7XEOJY
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> (or http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00O7XEOJY)
[10:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[16:18] <boris> k
[16:29] <SuperEngineer> o
[16:30] <zmoylan-pi> a
[16:30] <SuperEngineer> l
[16:30] <zmoylan-pi> a
[16:31] <SuperEngineer> :D
[16:36] <shauno> I thought you were all still asleep?
[16:47] <SuperEngineer> ok, getting cheesed off now - 3rd x-crash in a week. getting tired of suddenly disappearing, getting tired of using REISUB.  must investigate... sometime :)
[16:51] <SuperEngineer> [in the mentime, I'll blame it on the boogie]
[17:48] <daftykins> http://twitch.tv/daftpunkle
[17:48] <daftykins> =]
[17:51] <daftykins> nothing like beating your friends record in a game :D
[17:51] <daftykins> by a tenth of a second no less XD
[17:52] <brobostigon> :)
[17:55] <daftykins> hey brobostigon, up to much today?
[17:55] <brobostigon> not much upto now, and you?
[17:56] <daftykins> spot of shopping, just installed xubuntu-desktop onto this old macbook i was given by a friend and now relaxing with Forza Horizon 2 on the xbox one :>
[17:56] <popey> A'noon
[17:57] <brobostigon> :)
[17:57] <daftykins> hey popey, how goes it?
[17:57] <brobostigon> afternoodlings popey
[17:57] <daftykins> mm noodles
[17:57] <brobostigon> :)
[17:57] <shauno> careful, you'll wake dan up
[17:58] <daftykins> :D
[17:58] <daftykins> ah-ha, right clicking is a distinct challenge on this thing
[17:58] <daftykins> as in, i don't know how to do it :)
[18:26] <popey> tickety boo
[19:32]  * DJones ticks popey's boo
[20:14] <brobostigon> new dr who, :)
[20:15] <daftykins> yawn :P
[20:41] <shauno> heh, that was bad
[21:04] <directhex> rabble rabble
[21:06] <daftykins> i'm writing up a forum post with how well this macbook took to Trusty
[21:06] <daftykins> seems the only way to update the mac docs
[21:07] <penguin42> daftykins: Is it on a wiki ?
[21:11] <daftykins> penguin42 - i suppose sort of? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[21:12] <penguin42> looks a bit prehistoric
[21:17] <Laney> how's that sort of?
[21:17] <Laney> adding a new page there seems likely to be the way to have most people find it to me
[21:18] <Laney> does seem like the MacTel team is dormant though
[21:18] <penguin42> Laney: It's just a little suspicious it's not got many models from the last few years
[21:20] <directhex> now i'm scared to upgrade my macbook
[21:21] <Laney> I'm running my 7.1 on Utopic
[21:21] <Laney> don't think it requires any particular hax any mroe
[21:21] <daftykins> how do you add a page there?
[21:21] <daftykins> Laney: it's sort of because it's the first time i'm looking at it and am not familiar
[21:22] <Laney> fair
[21:22] <Laney> I think that even if the team which used to maintain it has gone away it's nice to put the page where most people will find it
[21:22] <Laney> or at least a link
[21:22] <Laney> you should be able to add a page by naviating to what its URL ought to be and clicking the link from there
[21:23] <Laney> (if you're signed in)
[21:23] <directhex> my mac's for work. do i need to upgrade?
[21:23] <daftykins> directhex: don't be facetious :P
[21:27] <daftykins> ah i see the controls for logging into the site now, but it seems to be stuck and not loading after i hit 'yes, log in'
[21:28] <popey> takes a while
[21:30] <popey> \o/ 500 internal server error
[21:30]  * popey files an rt
[21:31] <penguin42> perhaps it needs a new rubber band
[21:31] <popey> done.
[21:35] <andylockran> thanks for the tip earlier popey :)
[21:37] <popey> np
[21:51] <daftykins> ok i've got my page up and edited, it seems to have mentioned some usernames that have been notified
[21:51] <daftykins> is there any way i can contact those people to get my page actually linked from the main one?
[21:51] <daftykins> or do they just have to review it first
[21:57] <popey> the people who got a mail are just people subscribed to the page
[21:57] <popey> anyone can do that
[21:57] <popey> they may or may not be involved
[21:57] <daftykins> there don't seem to be any edit controls on the parent?
[21:57] <popey> url?
[21:58] <daftykins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[21:58] <popey> its editable here
[21:58] <daftykins> i'd like to add my new page under the LTS column for - MacBook 3,1
[21:58] <daftykins>
[21:58] <daftykins> late 2007 oops.
[21:59] <daftykins> weird, i have no controls
[21:59] <daftykins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook3-1/Trusty
[21:59] <daftykins> there's my new page
[22:01] <daftykins> ah hang on
[22:01] <daftykins> i'm being quite the idiot
[22:01] <popey> two separate sites to login to
[22:02] <daftykins> *nod* didn't even see the login link
[22:02] <daftykins> these old specs are driving me spare :(
[22:09] <daftykins> huzzah it is done!
[22:11] <daftykins> well that's one less blank
[22:13] <Azelphur> this is the problem buying something off facebook, I have someone claiming this table is 190x50cm https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=c61f23dba3521479aa81f4c3f65f25ab
[22:14] <Azelphur> someone clearly doesn't know how to count.
[22:15] <daftykins> 0o
[22:16] <Azelphur> like yea, if the table is 50cm wide, the shelf underneath is 25cm, and the place mats are 12.5cm
[22:26] <ali1234> it could be 190x50 inches
[22:27] <ali1234> or it could be a tiny table
[22:28] <ali1234> i'm going with inches


[16:11] <BlitzHere> So, just wanted to ask a quick question
[16:12] <BlitzHere> Is it possible to install Ubuntu-Gnome through the mini.iso in trusty?
[16:12] <BlitzHere> You can't in Saucy AFAIK
[16:13] <BlitzHere> Unless you skip package selection altogether and do apt-get ubuntu-gnome-desktop...
[16:13] <BlitzHere> But, I just wanted to know if it can be done through the default package options
[16:13] <BlitzHere> in trusty
[21:44] <X-Tor> Hello! Is anyone around?
[21:47] <jbooms> whats the right way to personal file share on your network in linux? with a gui, no terminal, not windows service stuff, like ssh folder share 4 dummies or something?
[21:48] <X-Tor> Linux newbie here, can't help you much xD
[21:52] <Noskcaj> X-Tor, There's always people here
[21:52] <Noskcaj> jbooms, Try asking in #ubuntu
[21:53] <X-Tor> Sweet.
[21:54] <X-Tor> I was wondering how the installation of 14.04 Alpha 2 works.
[21:55] <X-Tor> I mean, what should I do if I only want to update my current 13.10 to 14.04, without losing anything?
[21:56] <Noskcaj> One of the upgrade tests at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/63073/testcases should have the instructions
[21:56] <Noskcaj> Just make sure you remove all PPAs before you upgrade, they sometimes break stuff
[21:57] <X-Tor> Thanks, I'll check it out. Also, and perhaps more importantly, using this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 should give me GNOME 3.11 under 14.04, correct?
[22:08] <Noskcaj> X-Tor, yeah
[22:08] <X-Tor> Great!
[22:09] <X-Tor> By the way, I think you linked the daily builds
[22:10] <X-Tor> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds/61644/testcases
[22:10] <X-Tor> ^ this appears to be the Alpha 2 one.
[22:11] <X-Tor> I'm just prepping for the beta release, I'd like to make sure I know how to upgrade properly.
[22:11] <Noskcaj> The instructions are the same, and you won't upgrade to the alpha/beta, you'll upgrade to the daily
[22:11] <Noskcaj> It's all fairly stable now
[22:19] <X-Tor> Aright, going for it, then.
[22:20] <X-Tor> But, just to be clear, did you mean that I should uncheck all of my custom PPA in the update manager?
[22:20] <X-Tor> Or perhaps all of them altogether? Or remove them completely?
[22:21] <Noskcaj> just disable all the ppas on your system, it's not usually an issue, but it can break things if they're left on
[22:21] <X-Tor> Done :)
[22:22] <X-Tor> Thanks a lot for your help, Noskcaj
[22:22] <Noskcaj> no problem
[22:41] <darkxst> Noskcaj, gnome3 ppa will be 3.10 only for trusty
[22:41] <darkxst> and gnome3-team ppa's really should be purged, not just disabled
[22:41] <darkxst> before upgrade
[22:41] <Noskcaj> oops, yeah
[22:42]  * Noskcaj should stop giving advice without ever having used ubuntu-gnome
[22:43] <darkxst> its pretty general to Ubuntu, the upgrader gets confused if there are packages ahead of the archive
[22:43] <darkxst> same would apply to xorg-edgers etc
[22:46] <darkxst> Noskcaj, can you see if you can track down what broke spamassassin on our daily builds?
[22:46] <darkxst> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/trusty/ubuntu-gnome/latest/livecd-amd64.out
[22:46] <darkxst> last good build was 18th Feb ;(
[22:47] <Noskcaj> i'll have a look
[22:51] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Well the cause is that spamassassin 3.4.0-1 move to -release that day
[22:55] <darkxst> ok, and we are the only flavour that seeds spamassassin ;(
[22:59] <Noskcaj> Debian's got a fair few new bugs from this release, but i can't see anything related to our issue
[23:08] <darkxst> stddef.h should come from the kernel headers, but it appears to be missing


[04:01] <voipguy> I am trying to connect to a FreeNAS directory from a box running Ubuntu Linux (Natty version) and for some reason if I get close to about 500 files in one directory on the FreeNAS server, Ubuntu simply refuses to let me access it.  None of my other computers seem to have a problem accessing it, just the Ubuntu-based one.  I'd really like to know why, and if there's anything I can do about it.
[04:25] <james> whoa just got randomly logged off ubuntu twice in a span of 5 minutes =[
[04:36] <NoTruth> I've just now updated to 12.04 and now java won't work right, I think the CLASSPATH was rewritten. Eclipse won't open, save for a small window
[08:36] <tsetsee> I need help. My Ubuntu 12.04, Lan is frequently disconnecting.
[09:55] <Bala> hello
[09:55] <Bala> i have a problem with ubuntu 12.10 and was hoping anyone can assist me
[09:56] <Bala> bsnl evdo modem stopped being detected after upgrading to 12.10
[09:57] <Bala> 1c9e:9e00 is the id of the modem
[09:59] <Bala> please let me know what info you need to see what is wrong
[14:11] <penguin42> does anyone know what the libreoffice-* in p-proposed is supposed to fix?  It's changelog seems to be a circular link
[14:15] <normatif> is PAE enabled kernel the default now?
[14:15] <penguin42> yes
[14:18] <normatif> when I logged in, a warning popped up about incomplete language support. I clicked OK, Language Support downloaded some files, now I see 2 Chinese locales in addition to English. Is this normal?
[14:23] <normatif> start Language Support, on Language tab scroll down the list of 'Language for menus and windows', do you see a Chinese line at the end?
[14:29] <penguin42> does anyone have a pp install without proposed to check if bug 990518 is new in the proposed  ?
[14:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 990518 in libreoffice "circular link: /usr/share/doc/uno-libs3/changelog.Debian.gz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/990518
[14:52] <RoboGen> I updated 12.04 and eclipse stopped working correctly. I fixed it by using 'sudo apt-get install eclipse-cdt' but it's just kind of an odd error
[14:53] <penguin42> RoboGen: I don't know enough about Eclipse to know what should happen, but I agree - every time the package upgrades it breaks for me
[14:54] <RoboGen> Yea, happened during the 11.04 upgrade too
[14:54] <RoboGen> odd why it would do that
[14:58] <penguin42> I think it has it's own inbuilt upgrade system and packaging system that fights with the ubuntu one, but I'm new to this whole Java/Eclipse game
[15:02] <RoboGen> Yes, I think you have a point there. From what I can tell, the Eclipse available through Ubuntu Software Center and the Eclipse available through the website are different. Follow different upgrade routes.  Eclipse broke again
[15:08] <normatif> don't mix the two, either stick to Ubuntu repos or the tarball from Eclipse site
[15:09] <RoboGen> why does mixing them break the program? Seems like they should be able to interact
[15:10] <penguin42> normatif: It's not just using the tar, Eclipse has an inbuilt upgrade system which it sometimes pulls things in when you install other stuff
[15:11] <RoboGen> *side note* starting eclipse with sudo permissions has 'fixed' it
[15:12] <normatif> and you did a bad thing.
[15:12] <RoboGen> i know...
[15:13] <normatif> penguin42: the tarball Eclipse puts everything under one folder, it does not distribute things under /usr, /usr/lib, etc
[15:14] <RoboGen> Oh, so when you mix the Software Center with tarball plugins, they're looking in completely different folders
[15:15] <penguin42> normatif: OK, I've never used the tar ball - but if you install the Ubuntu package and then install some other stuff via Eclipse's plugin mechanism it often breaks when Ubuntu's package upgrades
[15:16] <RoboGen> Couldn't that be because the eclipse package may be a little outdated? I just updated (with sudo permissions) and everything is working now
[15:16] <RoboGen> updated within eclipse i mean
[15:17] <normatif> penguin42: can you even install plugins within Eclipse without sudo?
[15:17] <penguin42> normatif: Yes
[15:17] <penguin42> normatif: It does something in your home directory
[15:17] <penguin42> normatif: I only know from trying Android dev
[15:17] <RoboGen> It installs them to the .eclipse directory in your home folder
[15:18] <normatif> well, honestly I've never used eclipse from Ubuntu repos. Because it depends on a slow JRE, not Sun's JRE
[15:19] <normatif> *Oracle's
[15:19] <penguin42> normatif: I use it with Soracle's
[15:19] <RoboGen> normatif: by 'slow' do you mean the OpenJDK?
[15:20] <normatif> RoboGen: gcj/iced-tea/whatever the name is nowadays, yes
[15:20] <penguin42> normatif: I think it uses openjdk now rather than gcj - and those are quite different
[15:21] <RoboGen> penguin42: can't it work with Oracle's jdk? I'm working with the Java7jdk right now
[15:25] <penguin42> RoboGen: I haven't tried for a while, it was rather broken with 7 a few months back, might have improved since
[15:30] <RoboGen> penguin42: ah, I see. I just changed to it, so I haven't noticed anything too broken
[16:11] <normatif> Can someone please run 'locale -a|grep zh_'  from a terminal and tell if any output is printed?
[16:14] <penguin42> normatif: I get no output
[16:15] <normatif> penguin42: ubuntu version?
[16:16] <penguin42> normatif: 12.04
[16:18] <normatif> penguin42: when you start System Settings>Language Support, do/did you get a message box about missing support files?
[16:18] <penguin42> normatif: I'm running KDE so I don't know if I have that
[16:19] <penguin42> no, don't seem to - the equivalent KDE setting just lists American English as available languages (which is curious since I thought it was running UK English)
[16:20] <penguin42> (Heck the calendaring options in KDE are nuts  - I could run with a Julian calendar!)
[16:33] <normatif> anyway.. this is what I get from gnome-language-selector http://i46.tinypic.com/2d0b4np.jpg, i.e. although Chinese is not selected it exists in the list, and Regional Formats also show 2 Chinese locales
[16:33] <normatif> and locale -a also reports them
[16:37]  * penguin42 doesn't know much about locales
[16:47] <normatif> ok, it's already reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/960314
[16:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 960314 in ubiquity "Unnecessary languages listed but not installed after install" [Undecided,New]
[16:54] <normatif> hmm, that's not ubiquity bug, it's gnome-language-selector bug.. can someone set the correct package in bug #960314 ?
[16:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 960314 in ubiquity "Unnecessary languages listed but not installed after install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/960314
[18:22] <spartan-11510> Hi everybody. yesterday a person axplain me how to create fix. I understand all and now i can reproduce it. So i tried to fix a translation bug but it doesn't work, my patch wont applied
[18:23] <spartan-11510> This page help me https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix but i'm stuck, really want to fix this error it's in hello package for french version
[18:24] <spartan-11510> Anybody can help me
[18:24] <EvilResistance> which package are you trying to fix?
[18:24] <spartan-11510> hello2.7-2
[18:25] <spartan-11510> it's translation error in file "po/fr.po"
[18:25] <EvilResistance> got a bug number and a patch file?
[18:26] <spartan-11510> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hello/+bug/989946
[18:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 989946 in hello "Incorrect translation" [Undecided,In progress]
[18:26] <spartan-11510> and patch file it's in attachment but i want to learn how i can make the fix
[18:26] <spartan-11510> i put in progress because i want  to make the fix
[18:27] <EvilResistance> well the fix'd need to be done via packaging
[18:27] <EvilResistance> so you'd need experience with packaging to test the fix
[18:27] <EvilResistance> but to *upload* the fix is a different story :p
[18:27] <spartan-11510> yes i've a little packaging, i must to create new package so
[18:28] <EvilResistance> actually you might not need tgo
[18:28]  * EvilResistance works a decent bit in packaging
[18:28] <EvilResistance> lemme load up my Ubuntu box, take a look at the source packagfe
[18:28] <spartan-11510> for upload i can ask to the motu for upload  i think
[18:28] <EvilResistance> i'm not sure about that, you might need a sponsor
[18:28] <EvilResistance> lemme load up my Ubuntu box, and dissect the package ;P
[18:29] <spartan-11510> sorry i don't understand your last message
[18:30] <EvilResistance> basically: lemme reboot and try and apply the patch locally to a copy of the package which I can obtain from Launchpad
[18:30]  * EvilResistance is on a Windows machine because he was working with ASP.NET for work
[18:30] <spartan-11510> lemme? what is this word, and sorry my mom call me for diner
[18:31] <spartan-11510> but i you say what i understand sure make that ><
[18:33] <EvilResistance> ah i forgot the translation thing... "lemme" = 'let me'
[18:33] <EvilResistance> (American slangish)
[19:12] <spartan-11510> Re
[19:13] <spartan-11510> evilresistance: are you on Ubuntu
[19:13] <EvilResistance> yeah, one sec
[19:13] <EvilResistance> spartan-11510:  i'm on Natty, though, this drive can't handle an upgrade atm
[19:14] <EvilResistance> give me a few seconds
[19:14] <spartan-11510> oh it's ame error on natty
[19:14] <EvilResistance> s/seconds/minutes
[19:14] <EvilResistance> spartan-11510:  natty's not getting updated iwth it :P
[19:14] <EvilResistance> just lemme work for a few minutes
[19:14] <spartan-11510> ok no-problem i've all night ><
[19:34] <EvilResistance> spartan-11510:  take a look at your bug.
[19:34] <EvilResistance> i've subscribed the Sponsors team to get them to upload the bug, and I attached a debdiff
[19:34] <spartan-11510> yes
[19:34] <EvilResistance> s/bug/fix/
[19:35] <EvilResistance> it might need updating in Debian, but the sponsors team can figure that out
[19:35]  * EvilResistance can't forward stuff to Debian, for some really odd reason
[19:36] <spartan-11510> but when i try to create a package with my patch, he build the package without patch
[19:36] <EvilResistance> i know
[19:36] <EvilResistance> what you need to do is navigate to the package source directory first
[19:36] <spartan-11510> yes
[19:36] <EvilResistance> say, hello2.7-1 or w/e it is
[19:36] <EvilResistance> and do quilt import /path/to/patch
[19:37] <EvilResistance> then build
[19:37]  * EvilResistance did that step for you and generated the debdiff, and subscribed ubuntu-sponsors to the bug
[19:37] <EvilResistance> you'll get the credit, though, its your patch
[19:37]  * EvilResistance just helped
[19:38] <EvilResistance> just creating a patch and not importing it with 'quilt import' won't get it built
[19:38] <EvilResistance> with the patch
[19:38] <spartan-11510> i make with "bzr branch lp:ubuntu/precise/hello"
[19:38] <EvilResistance> ah, well that's the source code...
[19:39] <EvilResistance> different objects
[19:39] <EvilResistance> when you want to apply a fix to a package already in the thing, you have to subscribe ubuntu-sponsors and include (ideally) the debdiff
[19:39] <EvilResistance> s/the thing/the main repository/
[19:40] <EvilResistance> so by adding your patch using `quilt import`, and then building the  package locally and generating the debdiff (and attaching that debdiff to the bug) you will more than likely get it updated
[19:41] <EvilResistance> except, of course, if the debdiff needs to be applied in Debian...
[19:41] <penguin42> EvilResistance: Well you can do your fix on a lp branch, push your branch back and then mark the bug for reviewing and it'll get automagically linked to the bug report if you do it rihgt
[19:41] <EvilResistance> penguin42:  true.
[19:41] <EvilResistance> (but the debdiff wasnt there on that package, and for package sponsorship, they like debdiffs :P)
[19:41] <EvilResistance> s/package/bug/
[19:42] <EvilResistance> penguin42:  spartan-11510 would need the assist with that, but all that was attached to Bug 989946 was a patch file, not a debdiff (which the sponsors team likes)
[19:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 989946 in hello "Incorrect translation" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/989946
[19:43] <spartan-11510> sorry i'm french so i need time to understand all of you say :)
[19:43] <EvilResistance> no problem, penguin42 and I are just arguing.
[19:43] <EvilResistance> :P
[19:44] <penguin42> hehe
[19:45]  * EvilResistance goes to beat his 'debdiff' command to automatically include --exclude changelog so he doesnt accidentially upload changelog entries with his debdiffs
[19:48] <spartan-11510> so quilt generate a debdiff?
[19:51] <EvilResistance> no
[19:51] <EvilResistance> quilt just adds your patch to the list of patches to apply during package building
[19:51] <EvilResistance> but does not automatically generate the debdiff
[19:51] <EvilResistance> the debdiff is the difference between package versions
[19:51] <spartan-11510> but i make the same action with bzr commit no?
[19:52] <EvilResistance> penguin42:  can you explain the difference between the bzr code and Debian packages?
[19:52] <EvilResistance> i'm up to my neck in hell because a server cluster just went down and i'm on call to fix it
[19:53] <penguin42> I'll try, but I'm not fluent in it - I only do it a few times
[19:54] <penguin42> spartan-11510: bzr is a source code repository system, you can commit changes to a set of source, and then upload that 'branch' to launchpad and tell launchpad that it's a fix for a particular bug
[19:54] <spartan-11510> ok i understand that
[19:55] <spartan-11510> and i understand the difference, quilt say at pbuilder "warn you need to apply qthis patch" i'm right?
[19:56] <penguin42> I can't rememeber how quilt and pbuilder interact
[19:56] <penguin42> I thought if you added the patch with quilt then pbuilder should apply it when it tries to build it
[19:56]  * EvilResistance returns
[19:56] <EvilResistance> you knwo what i hate
[19:57] <EvilResistance> dumb people who trip over cables (thus causing power outage to the servers)
[19:57] <penguin42> haha
[19:57] <EvilResistance> ANYWAYS
[19:57] <spartan-11510> :D
[19:57] <EvilResistance> quilt and pbuilder interact by package format
[19:57] <penguin42> EvilResistance: Remember to remove some of the insulation on the cable - they'll learn about it then
[19:57] <EvilResistance> the package format for the `hello` package is "quilt"
[19:57] <EvilResistance> which means that patches need to be imported manually to quilt
[19:57] <EvilResistance> using quilt import
[19:58] <EvilResistance> if you do not import the patch into the quilt series of patches to apply, it will not include the patch
[19:58] <EvilResistance> so, you do two things:
[19:58] <EvilResistance> (1) create the patch file, save it somewhere
[19:58] <EvilResistance> (2) before building the package, do `quilt import /path/to/patch`
[19:58] <EvilResistance> which then says "Include this patch into the package building process"
[19:59] <EvilResistance> if you don't import the patch, it'll just sit there and not process
[19:59] <EvilResistance> (since patches are applied based on their order in the debian/patches/series file, which is only to be edited by quilt automatically)
[19:59] <penguin42> indeed, you'd never hand edit the file and just put the patch in ahem
[19:59] <EvilResistance> it gets confusing when you have 50 or more patches on a package (like the php5 package, which I patched to close a Debian and a LP bug)
[19:59] <spartan-11510> path/to/patch is the patch generated by diff -u or it's the file generated by bzr commit
[20:00] <EvilResistance> spartan-11510:  /path/to/patch would be the path to the diff you generated (and attached to your bug)
[20:01] <EvilResistance> so when i applied the patch to the package for inclusion in debdiff, i downloaded the patch to the directory outside where i was packaging, then did `quilt import /path/to/patch` from within the source directory for the package
[20:01] <EvilResistance> god needs to destroy laptop touchpads >.>
[20:01] <EvilResistance> anyways, continuing...
[20:02] <EvilResistance> when I did that command, it told the system "Include this patch in the building of the package."
[20:02] <EvilResistance> and it subsequently added the patch to debian/patches/ and added it to debian/patches/series
[20:02] <EvilResistance> so that when the package is built, the code change is included.
[20:03] <spartan-11510> i have'nt a debian/patches/series
[20:03] <EvilResistance> after I built the package locally (with debuild -S, to generate the source package), I ran a debdiff on the old .dsc and the new .dsc (files relating to the versions of the package), and uploaded the debdiff
[20:03] <spartan-11510> only debian/patches
[20:03] <EvilResistance> you and i were using different code
[20:03] <penguin42> spartan-11510: Is there anything else in debian/patches?
[20:03]  * EvilResistance downloaded the package off of the Repositories themselves, then extracted the code/package from that for editign
[20:03] <EvilResistance> like i do with every backport i do xD
[20:04] <spartan-11510> i'm an idito i've series file...
[20:04] <penguin42> hehe it's OK, we all do that from time to time
[20:05] <spartan-11510> in fact idon't build my package with pbuilder but with debuild
[20:07] <EvilResistance> ehh...
[20:07] <EvilResistance> debuild isnt good for building packages
[20:07] <EvilResistance> debuild -S builds the source package, which I then build with pbuilder
[20:07] <EvilResistance> (for package testing)
[20:08] <spartan-11510> in fact i need to 1) create a patch of the bug
[20:08] <spartan-11510> 2) quilt the patch
[20:09] <spartan-11510> 3) build my package with debuild -s and upload on a ppa or build with pbuilder for testing package
[20:09] <spartan-11510> i'm right and if th test are good create and debdiff
[20:09] <EvilResistance> mhm
[20:10] <EvilResistance> but of course, you'll need to read how to set up pbuilder, because it can be complicated ;P
[20:10] <EvilResistance> i usually use PPAs to test
[20:10] <EvilResistance> (after pbuilder)
[20:10] <EvilResistance> but i'm weird like that, i like confirming that it builds :P
[20:11] <spartan-11510> you're not weird confirming are necessary :)
[20:20] <spartan-11510> i restart i make 1)bzr branch lp:ubuntu/precise/hello
[20:20] <spartan-11510> 2) quilt import ../patch
[20:20] <spartan-11510> 3) debuild -S < this fail http://paste.ubuntu.com/953486/
[20:23]  * EvilResistance can't read french :P
[20:23] <EvilResistance> remember to add a changelog entry, otherwise it won't build ;P
[20:24] <EvilResistance> oh wait
[20:24] <EvilResistance> i know what's up
[20:24] <spartan-11510> he can't found .orig tarball ><
[20:24] <EvilResistance> its missing a tarball :P
[20:24] <EvilResistance> and i have to go to a meeting now :/
[20:24] <EvilResistance> perhaps later when i get back i can explain how i get package source and modify it and rebuild
[20:24] <EvilResistance> (I don't use bzr code to do it)
[20:24] <spartan-11510> but when i make bzr bd -- -S -us -uc he doesn't import tarball
[20:25] <spartan-11510> okey if i'm wake because it's 22h24
[20:25] <spartan-11510> thave a good meeting ><
[20:25] <EvilResistance> its 16:25 here, i'm 4 hours behind GMT
[20:26] <EvilResistance> and no wi have to run :P
[20:26] <spartan-11510> i'm at GMT +1
[21:32] <nik90> seb128: ping
[21:47] <nik90> can anyone set this bug report to low priority and also triaged status?
[21:47] <nik90> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/990643
[21:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 990643 in unity "'Show desktop' icon in launcher does not use chameleonic behavior like other system icons" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:47] <nik90> Please also set this bug report to medium priority and triaged status
[21:47] <nik90> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/990715
[21:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 990715 in unity "Window resize shortcuts (Ctrl+Super+Up) do not work in Dash" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:15] <nik90> thomi: ping
[22:16] <EvilResistance> someone needs to learn patience :)
[22:18] <nik90> EvilResistance, I will wait then :)
[22:19] <nik90> in my defence I did wait for like 30 mins :P
[22:19] <Nafallo> nik90: try waiting until Monday :-)
[22:19] <nik90> Nafallo: I realised...I should really be a part of the bug control team...
[22:21] <Nafallo> hrm. I used to be able too... I guess it's because it's unity rather than ubuntu...
[22:22] <EvilResistance> depends on the project i think
[22:22] <EvilResistance> if the project != ubuntu, the ubuntu bugs team doesnt have access by default
[22:22] <EvilResistance> whereas that project's devs have access
[22:22] <EvilResistance> (explains why in my projects I can triage bugs, but outside of my projects where I have no access I cannot)
[22:25] <Nafallo> yeah
[22:25] <Nafallo> quite
[22:38] <spartan-11510> evilresistance: how was the meeting?
[22:42] <thomi> nik90: pong
[22:43] <nik90> thomi, I was just wondering if you set the bug priority and triage status to two bug reports
[22:43] <nik90> if you could set*
[22:43] <nik90> I can list them again if you are interested
[22:45]  * thomi looks
[22:45] <nik90> thomi, ? I do not understand
[22:46] <thomi> sure, I'll do it now
[22:46] <nik90> thomi, oh thanx :)
[22:47] <thomi> Done. No worries
[22:47] <nik90> thanks a lot..


[15:40] <blackboxsw> paride: falcojr: As we are going through CI scrub. Looks like Azure hit some networking timeouts. I also think something may be up with kintetic-only  storage_profile params provided during launch https://jenkins.canonical.com/server-team/view/cloud-init/job/cloud-init-integration-kinetic-azure/10/
[15:40] <blackboxsw> I'm peeking at that storage_profile error we have right now on kinetic azure
[15:40] <blackboxsw> possibly just CI problem and pycloudlib, but verifying
[16:39] <blackboxsw> ok pycloudlib can launch kinetic fine using storage_profiles on azure. I'm thinking CI run #10 was an intermittent error. I'm not going to re-kick that as we have other CI runs going for SRU verification
[17:17] <blackboxsw> Ran the individual Azure tests that were failing our CI dailies for jammy and that was a success, so intermittent timeout for Jammy. Kinetic CI failures is due to older pycloudlib commitish in cloud-init. I'll have a PR up in a min
[17:18] <blackboxsw> so all kinetic cloud-init daily jenkins failures are expected at the moment on Azure
[17:25] <blackboxsw> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1476


[03:36] <callmepk> Morning
[06:04] <tangarora> 20.04 seems buggy with NVidia. I cant put my finger on it, but I had to reinstall eventually after setting the NV to be on demand in the control center... It worked great for a while, the screen artifacts, the blangk...
[06:26] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers, happy Monday!
[06:32] <didrocks> good morning
[06:33] <callmepk> good morning oSoMoN didrocks
[06:36] <didrocks> hey callmepk
[06:36] <oSoMoN> hey callmepk, salut didrocks
[06:49] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, bon week-end ?
[06:49] <oSoMoN> oui, et toi?
[06:50] <didrocks> ça va, mais ça commence à devenir longuet pour être honnête :)
[06:53] <oSoMoN> oui, faudrait pas que ça s’éternise…
[06:55] <jibel> hi world
[06:58] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:01] <jibel> Salut didrocks, tu vas bien?
[07:02] <didrocks> jibel: ça va, vivement qu’on puisse se projeter dans quelques semaines, mais ça va :) et toi ?
[07:03] <jibel> didrocks, il commence à y avoir des ornières dans le carrelage à force de tourner en rond.
[07:03] <jibel> mais sinon ça peut aller
[07:04] <didrocks> fais gaffe à ne pas passer au tavers du plancher
[07:04] <jibel> :)
[07:05] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[07:06] <jibel> bonjour oSoMoN
[07:11] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk oSoMoN didrocks jibel
[07:16] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[07:28] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson
[07:56] <seb128> lut didrocks, oSoMoN, jibel, vous avez passé un bon w.e?
[07:57] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you?
[07:57] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[07:57] <jibel> Salut seb128, le w-e est passé, en attendant le prochain
[08:02] <Laney> moin
[08:02] <marcustomlinson> hey seb128 and Laney
[08:03] <marcustomlinson> seb128: doing ok for a Monday :P you?
[08:03] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[08:06] <Laney> hey marcustomlinson & oSoMoN
[08:11] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:30] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:30] <seb128> I'm good :)
[08:35] <Laney> moin didrocks & seb128
[08:51] <ricotz> good morning desktopers
[08:54] <marcustomlinson> hey ricq
[08:54] <marcustomlinson> whoops
[08:54] <marcustomlinson> hey ricotz
[09:04] <cpaelzer> hi Desktop people
[09:04] <cpaelzer> I'd need your guidance on a discussion about appindicator / ayatana
[09:04] <cpaelzer> for years we have had our virt-manager recommend gir1.2-appindicator3-0.1
[09:05] <cpaelzer> but now I was made aware that this is more or less dead https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=895037
[09:05] <cpaelzer> gir1.2-appindicator3-0.1 is still in main in focal, so I guess I'm fine for now
[09:05] <cpaelzer> but should - going forward I switch to ayatana - is that fully integrated and default in our desktop?
[09:05] <seb128> hey ricotz cpaelzer
[09:05] <cpaelzer> seb128: didrocks: (not sure who to ping, so I ping the most active people I know around here) ^^
[09:06] <seb128> cpaelzer, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libayatana-appindicator/+bug/1770146
[09:07] <didrocks> yeah, long story there :)
[09:07] <didrocks> (and hey cpaelzer, ricotz)
[09:08] <seb128> cpaelzer, the ayatana packages are semi-hostile forks that were not needed and which were made incompatible with no real need to be, we have no seen evidence they are better quality or worth the effort to switch at this point
[09:10] <cpaelzer> seb128: ok, so for now I can answer (on a debian discussion) that for now we will stick to  gir1.2-appindicator3-0.1 then?
[09:10] <seb128> for Ubuntu yes, the people doing indicator in Debian seem to have decided they favor the ayatana variants
[09:10] <seb128> (but that's a side effort in Debian and most lead by the guy who forked/created ayatana)
[09:10] <ackk> oSoMoN, hi, do you know if bluejeans is supposed to work with chromium (snap)?
[09:11] <ackk> I could never get it to work, while it seems to be working with chrome
[09:12] <cpaelzer> ok seb128 that is fine, thank you a lot
[09:12] <oSoMoN> ackk, it works for me as an attendee, not sure about using bluejeans to present though
[09:12] <ackk> oSoMoN, oh, I never could use it even as attendee
[09:13] <ackk> oSoMoN, always tells me I have to install flash
[09:13] <ackk> oSoMoN, do you have flash installed?
[09:14] <ackk> (can believe I'm saying this in 2020)
[09:14] <ackk> *can't
[09:14] <oSoMoN> yeah, flash will be dead and gone by the end of the year, finally… in the meantime, you can use this to get it working in the snap: https://git.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/+git/snappy-packaging/commit/?id=04e7a9c9d452437b8540dc50e6d87092f3ea4af2
[09:15] <seb128> cpaelzer, np!
[09:16] <ackk> oSoMoN, oh I see, so bluejeans does still require flash with chrome/ium
[09:16] <Laney> /o\
[09:16] <ackk> oSoMoN, oddly the html5 video test they have on their website does work fine with chrommium
[09:24] <ackk> oSoMoN, worked now with flash, thanks
[10:32] <GunnarHj> Good morning (well..) seb128! Did you see my ping from this upstream IBus issue?
[10:32] <GunnarHj> https://github.com/ibus/ibus/issues/2163
[10:32] <GunnarHj> Your input as regards what to do in Ubuntu going forward would be appreciated.
[10:32] <gitbot> ibus issue 2163 in ibus "Remapping CTRL+SHIFT+U doesn't unbind original keybind" [Closed]
[10:35] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, I saw the email but post W.E/release backlog is busy, I will try to have a comment later
[10:36] <GunnarHj> seb128: Sure, no urgency AFAICT.
[13:01] <seb128> tseliot, hey, could you add bug #1874567 to your backlog of bugs to look at? it seems quite popular
[14:20] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:21] <marcustomlinson> morning hellsworth
[14:21] <hellsworth> hey marcustomlinson
[14:27] <didrocks> hello hellsworth
[14:28] <hellsworth> hey there didrocks
[14:51] <jibel> xnox, from a syslog, do you know how to know if a machine has been booted in UEFI or Legacy?
[14:57] <ogra> hey ... after doing a 16.04->18.04 upgrade, immediately followed by an 18.04->20.04 one ,i end up with a pretty messed up desktop https://imgur.com/a/z8jDqUB ... there are also font issues (violet blocks across characters) ... and things like alt-tab do not work at all
[14:57] <ogra> i assume it is some setting in my homedir ... any idea what i could try to remove there ?
[14:58] <ogra> seems drag and drop also doesnt work
[14:58] <ogra> ... at least from/to desktop
[15:00] <ogra> sigh and i'm bombed with online-account popups to an extend that working is impossible
[15:00] <ogra> (yet the online accounts are properly set up, i even deleted them and added them anew)
[15:02] <xnox> jibel:  in sessions, not now
[15:03] <xnox|sessions> jibel:  grep for "efivars" ? Apr 27 12:58:27 ottawa kernel: Registered efivars operations
[15:06] <seb128> ogra, can you share your journalctl log? the image looks like a kernel/video driver issue ... could you screenshot the online account prompt?
[15:07] <ogra> seb128, note that i have been running from USB key for a week now ... the fresh install on the USB key doesnt expose any such issues ... it is only the upgraded internal install that does ... i'll push my jounral somewhere ...
[15:08] <ogra> the popup prompt looks like an evolution one (but seems to pop up when the panel clock tries to sync even if evo was never started after a reboot)
[15:09] <ogra> here is my journal https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fJwsRCT2yg/
[15:10] <ogra> err
[15:10]  * ogra sees the kernel cmdline in there and wonders where all these i915 options come from !
[15:10] <ogra> i guess thats the issue :D
[15:10] <ogra> lol, sorry
[15:11] <seb128> ogra, likely for the video corruption yes ... old local hacked parameters to workaround issues?
[15:11] <ogra> yeah ... 16.04 crap
[15:12] <seb128> ogra, the journal also suggests you have buggy extensions
[15:13] <seb128> Apr 27 16:52:52 acheron gnome-shell[5128]: Usage of object.actor is deprecated for CalendarMessageList
[15:13] <seb128>                                            get@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/environment.js:287:29
[15:13] <seb128>                                            right@/home/ogra/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/notification-banner-position@Selenium-H/extension.js:24:2
[15:13] <ogra> yes, one of them (i think the one remvoving the meters of padding between the systray icons)
[15:13] <seb128> well unsure if they are problematic for your notifications, but might be worth turning them off
[15:13] <ogra> oh, the positional one ... yeah
[15:14] <ogra> well, it works despite the error, i have seen it on the usb install too
[15:14] <ogra> didnt seem to have any ill effects apart from spamming the log
[15:14]  * ogra reboots with fixed grub
[15:19] <ogra> hrm .. editing /etc/default/grub and running update-grub doesnt seem to have any effect :/
[15:19] <ogra> the options still stick in there
[15:26] <ogra> hmm, okay ... options gone but still messed up wallpaper
[15:35] <Laney> seb128: do you know if there's an action to mir libinih recorded somewhere?
[15:39] <ogra> okay ... recursively unsetting all gsettings got me rolling
[21:08] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 3badf8b Olivier Tilloy debian/ changelog patches/series patches/0032-online-accounts-maybe-leak-a-reference-to-the-panel.patch * https://deb.li/bHr2
[21:08] <KGB-0> debian/patches/0032-online-accounts-maybe-leak-a-reference-to-the-panel.patch: maybe leak a reference to the panel, to prevent a crash (LP: #1862553)


[00:57] <kappri> hey guys
[00:58] <slickymaster> !hi | kappri
[02:33] <knosys> hi
[05:46] <fidelity> hello
[05:51] <fidelity> How to upgrade to 14.10
[05:51] <fidelity> ?
[08:30] <Guido1> how do i changneg from  xfce4-power-manager panel plugin to Power Manager Plugin? (how and where do i unsinstaal the old one and add the new one)
[08:43] <Guido1> and are there other changes which i have to do manualy after upgrading from xubuntu 14.04 to 14.10?
[08:44] <knome> Guido1, did you by any chance look at the release announcement?
[08:45] <Guido1> knome: yes, but i don't know how to change the xfce4-power-manager panel plugin to Power Manager Plugin and i saw something with a design
[08:50] <Guido1> knome: what are the steps to uninstaal and instaal the new power manager plugin?
[10:28] <Wizard> Hi.
[12:03] <nomic> should I use a radeon driver amd from fglrx-updates or fglrx -- whats the difference (anyone)
[12:04] <nomic> getting dual head working rgb / dvi
[12:04] <nomic> says it recognises dvi monitor .. but so far no picture on it .. will try driver now .. then xrandr etc
[12:04] <nomic> or just configure it through "display"
[12:05] <nomic> am trying "fglrx" I reckon -updates is 'post release updated'
[12:33] <Guido1> by the xubuntu realease nots iut is writen "Upgraders from Trusty will not see the new xfce4-power-manager panel plugin by default, but instead stick to indicator-power. This can easily be resolved by uninstalling indicator-power and adding the “Power Manager Plugin” to the panel." how do i do that?
[12:36] <brainwash> Guido1: right click on the panel > add new item
[12:36] <brainwash> then select the Power Manager Plugin
[12:37] <Guido1> brainwash: which panel? and how to remove the old one?
[12:37] <brainwash> the top panel
[12:38] <brainwash> to remove the old indicator simply run "sudo apt-get remove indicator-power" and relog
[12:39] <Guido1> what do you mean with "relog"?
[12:39] <brainwash> terminate your current graphical session
[12:39] <brainwash> and login again
[12:40] <Guido1> so reboot, okee
[12:40] <brainwash> well, reboot works too
[12:40] <Guido1> does the Power Manager Plugin has a specific name in the list or do i have to ad it via a starter?
[15:03] <cert> Hi, I'd like to ask advice - I'm polishing and setting a fresh install of xubuntu trusty tahr for my friend on his laptop and I want to enable him set a folder as shared in LAN. There are several ways to enable local networking in xubuntu to be found in the ubuntu forums, but I'd like to know, which is the cleanest in order not to pollute xfce4 flavour and so on. On my desktop I've got ubuntustudio trusty tahr... although its desktop is also  based
[15:03] <cert> on xfce4, it's shipped with better set and equipped samba, so installing system-config-samba was enough to make my life easier, but it's not the sufficient solution for xubuntu.
[15:03] <holstein> !samba
[15:04] <holstein> maybe.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo ..depends on what is being shared, and how big.. and how often it is to be accessed.. and if syncing is needed or not
[15:05] <cert> thx
[15:05] <holstein> cert: xubuntu *is* ubuntu, so whatever you used for samba will work here.. assumimg its what you are looking for, i would just use it
[15:11] <cert> yes, but some tutorials are using nautilus as a part of solution and it seemed to me like polluting the xfce flavour by gnome
[15:11] <holstein> cert: dont use nautilus
[15:11] <holstein> cert: hey.. dont use samba, if you dont want it
[15:12] <holstein> i typically just setup ssh on all the machines, and connect as needed to move things between the machines.. if i need syncing, i'll just use something that does that.. like syncthing
[15:12] <holstein> cert: you can replace nautilus with the filemanager you are using.. or want to use.. you can use gigolo to mount ssh shares and navigate them in whatever filemanager you want to use
[15:12] <holstein> !info gigolo
[15:13] <holstein> this may not be appropriate for what you are trying to give to someone else..
[15:35] <cert> I want to make one of his home folders shared in the small home network. Thunar with gigolo support works fine for viewing other computers' shared content but his laptop isn't visible neither from windows 7 of my neighbor nor from my ubuntustudio. I thought, it's because xubuntu 14.04 is shipped with smbclient only and full installation of samba will make his laptop visible. Am I all right? Sorry for dumb questions but networking isn't my cup of tea
[15:35] <cert> ... as I use ubuntu studio I know much more about connecting computer to audio/video input/output devices than about connecting two computers together O:).
[15:43] <holstein> cert: you will want samba to share to windows.. *or* install software in the windows machines that allow connecting to ssh share or whatever
[15:43] <holstein> cert: or, a service like syncthing on all machines
[16:23] <entreri> hello, I would like to use Ubuntu but with TWM windows manager. How to disable the main current desktop environment and the login screen ?
[16:23] <entreri> disabling xfce and the login screen
[16:24] <relaxed> install twm, logout of xfce and click the small gear at the top of the login screen and select twm.
[16:25] <entreri> relaxed: the problem is the login screen
[16:25] <entreri> I still see the xfce login screen, I want to boot in TTY and startx myself
[16:26] <holstein> !text
[16:26] <holstein> entreri: ^
[16:26] <relaxed> well, you can load twm through xfce's login screen too, or follow the above advice.
[16:41] <entreri> holstein: thanks for the reply. But what if I don't want to do this each time ? Any way to disable the login manager and the desktop manager for good ?
[16:41] <entreri> any service I should remove
[16:41] <holstein> entreri: the kernel mode line does that
[16:41] <holstein> entreri: you can just add it
[16:42] <entreri> holstein: then I can start X manually ?
[16:42] <holstein> entreri: then, you get *exactly* what that kernel mode line faciliates.. text only mode
[16:42] <relaxed> there's probably a way to do it via systemd as well.
[16:43] <holstein> you can start with a mini or server iso as well..
[16:43] <holstein> !mini
[16:43] <holstein> and just add what you want.. and only what you want
[16:45] <relaxed> google says "sudo systemctl disable graphical.target"
[16:50] <cert> holstein: ok, windows share solved - I've installed samba with winbind and friens xubuntu laptop appeared in the windows workgroup at our router. It's visible and accesible. But there remains still a bit lack of networking support in comparance to my ubuntustudio desktop - in the thunar's network places of both linux computers there's my desktop visible and accesible even outside of windows workgroup but friend's xubuntu laptop not. It seems to me t
[16:50] <cert> hat there's something missing (packages or setting) in xubuntu 14.04 fresh install that allows networking between two unix like systems without windows networking support (samba). Have you an idea where's the difference making my ubuntu studio 14.04 showing both in windows workgroup and outside of it with distro-native packages and settings and how to make xubuntu 14.04 visible outside of windows workgroup as well?
[16:51] <holstein> cert: could be.. or misconfituration.. or networking setup..
[16:52] <holstein> cert: you can look through the package managers on both and see.. but, i would start with what exactly it is you are looking for? and see if you can add a plugin for the browser
[16:56] <cert> it's rather network's than thunar's problem because my ubuntu studi desktop is visible also outside of workgroup in both thunars at both linux machines. Never mind - windows networking was the main aim anyway ;).
[16:58] <cert> thx a lot for your assistance
[20:18] <ThePendu1um> Hey
[20:20] <ThePendu1um> l
[20:21] <ThePendu1um> When I use the brightness control buttons on a laptop with the latest Xubuntu, the brightness does change, but the display settings pop up
[20:21] <ThePendu1um> Any way to prevent this from happening?
[20:21] <ThePendu1um> They don't just pop up, they pop up on press and release, so I end up with 50 of the damn windows :P
[20:22] <holstein> ThePendu1um: hmmm.. you mean, something opens that doesnt automatically go away? would you mind taking a screenshot?
[20:27] <ThePendu1um> holstein: It's just the display settings
[20:27] <ThePendu1um> Like, the actual full setting panel for it
[20:28] <ThePendu1um> It opens as if you would've clicked on it in settings center
[20:28] <ThePendu1um> And does that as you hold the button to change the brightness, so you end up with several dozen instances on it
[20:28] <ThePendu1um> I could take a screenshot, but it wouldn't add much I think
[20:29] <krytarik> ThePendu1um: Please see here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2244015
[20:30] <Airbander> Hi guys.
[20:30] <Airbander> How are you ?
[20:31] <Airbander> I need help plz yesterday i installed skype but he didnt work very well any one can help ?
[20:31] <Alexfrench> fine
[20:31] <Airbander> are you frensh ?
[20:31] <Airbander> Alex
[20:31] <Alexfrench> yes why ?
[20:31] <Airbander> nothing
[20:31] <krytarik> ThePendu1um: Also, LP bug 1319187.
[20:32] <Airbander> Guy plz how can i install a good skype i'm using 64XUbuntu
[20:33] <Azelphur> !elaborate ! Airbander
[20:33] <Azelphur> !elaborate | Airbander
[20:33] <Azelphur> whoops :)
[20:34] <ThePendu1um> krytarik: Hm, that 'fixed' it, but broke all my display control :P
[20:34] <Airbander> how install skype plz i type in terminal 'sudo apt-get install skype' dont want to work
[20:35] <Azelphur> Airbander: Skype isn't in the repositories, you'll need to get it from skypes website, they have a .deb download which is easy to install.
[20:35] <Alexfrench> and why don't you did it through ubuntu control center ?
[20:35] <ThePendu1um> Let me see if I can fix that manually. Does anyone happen to know some command that increases the display brightness by some unit?
[20:36] <ThePendu1um> Airbander: http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-computer/
[20:36] <ThePendu1um> Choose Ubuntu 12.04 Multiarch assuming you're running Ubuntu 12.04>
[20:36] <ThePendu1um> Click the deb, I assume your system will take care of the rest
[20:36] <Airbander> thanks guys
[20:36] <Airbander> any program like skype can be used in linux ?
[20:37] <ThePendu1um> Airbander: Skype works for Linux, and I assume all your friends are there? You can configure Pidgin to work with Skype
[20:37] <ThePendu1um> But you'll still need Skype if you want your Skype mates
[20:37] <Airbander> thanks guys
[20:38] <Airbander> Linux Users ARE Awesome
[20:38] <ThePendu1um> They come in all shapes and forms
[20:38] <ThePendu1um> Like triangular, I love those Linux users.
[20:38] <ThePendu1um> They aren't as square.
[20:39] <krytarik> !info xbacklight | ThePendu1um: This, for example
[20:39] <Alexfrench> there is linphone too
[20:39] <Azelphur> Airbander: if you're looking for alternatives, blink seems pretty cool.
[20:40] <Azelphur> but yea, Skype works
[20:41] <Airbander> ya i wich Azelphur
[20:41] <Airbander> how can i type in red color
[20:41] <Airbander> is that a Privet message ?
[20:43] <hendy> Buonasera a tutti
[20:43] <hendy> come andiamo ?
[20:43] <krytarik> !it | hendy
[20:43] <hendy> tnc
[20:43] <hendy> tnx
[20:51] <Airbander> How make a backup on linux plz
[20:51] <Airbander> how can i do it
[20:52] <Airbander> or restoration point
[20:55] <fantumcoidex> can some one message me i have a question on installing a program
[20:55] <deshipu> just ask your question here, so that everyone can learn
[20:56] <fantumcoidex> can anyone tell me how to fragrouter
[20:56] <fantumcoidex> how to install fragrouter
[20:56] <deshipu> !info fragrouter
[20:58] <fantumcoidex> ok so i take that as a no
[20:59] <brainwash> you will have to manually install it or find a PPA
[21:00] <fantumcoidex> i have tried to manually i am kinda new to this so whats a ppa
[21:00] <brainwash> !ppa
[21:01] <brainwash> there is one PPA which offers fragrouter
[21:02] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~darklordpaunik8880/+archive/ubuntu/darkminttrustytahr
[21:02] <brainwash> but I'm not sure if it can be trusted
[22:23] <ThePendulum> It seems that the system can't be shut down with Xubuntu anymore
[22:24] <ThePendulum> It just greys out the buttons at the login screen, and when I shut down when logged in it goes to the login screen
[22:30] <brainwash> ThePendulum: anymore? after some updates or when did this start to not work properly anymore?
[22:32] <ThePendulum> A reboot fixed it, apparently
[22:32] <ThePendulum> Hopefully it doesn't come back, because I -really- am not going to train my mother how to shut a computer down through the terminal
[22:34] <brainwash> if it does, you should file a bug report on launchpad
[22:37] <ThePendulum> once I figured out what'd cause it
[22:39] <ThePendulum> cheers :)
[22:53] <Airbander> guy any one can talk to me in privet i have some questions about distro of linux and thanks
[22:54] <Airbander> i'm new user in linux i need some info
[22:59] <Airbander> none ?
[23:00] <Airbander> any expret on linux ?
[23:00] <krytarik> Airbander: Just ask in the channel.
[23:00] <Airbander> any geeks ? :D
[23:00] <slickymaster> !ask | Airbander
[23:04] <Airbander> the best distro for company computers ?
[23:10] <sleezio> hello, i'm wanting to run a program, but i suspect it might be phoning home, is there a way with iptables(or something else) to block a specific program from trying to phone home?
[23:33] <xubuntu27w> Hi, anybody there:
[23:33] <xubuntu27w> _
[23:33] <xubuntu27w> ?
[23:34] <xubuntu27w> I have installed 'impressive- presentation sodtware.
[23:34] <xubuntu27w> but can not run it
[23:34] <xubuntu27w> new in xubuntu/linux
[23:34] <xubuntu27w> am I missing somehting?
[23:51] <carrera> Greetings!
[23:52] <carrera> is the net install the only way to install 14.04 with SoftRAID?


[04:21] <bluesabre> will sync those things in the morning
[04:22] <bluesabre> came home and fell asleep
[04:22] <bluesabre> and now I'm going back to sleep
[04:22] <bluesabre> so night all
[04:25] <Unit193> G'night.
[06:10] <ochosi> morning all
[07:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: i think the mirror mode in xfce4-display-settings might need another look. i just booted up the 15.04 live system and while my two displays are mirrored (which seems like a pretty good default setting), the display settings dialog is showing the mirror option greyed out/insensitive and disabled
[07:46] <ochosi> elfy: so i have a clean 15.04 system again now, i'll start digging into the xfpm issue
[07:50] <ochosi> hmm, uncool, i can't reproduce the problem :'(
[07:50] <ochosi> it built and installed fine and now the plugin is displaying just fine and i get all the warning output you didn't get
[10:29] <Unit193> ochosi: Mmm, I see.
[10:34] <ochosi> so yeah, i dunno, it seems easy enough to backport, then again, it's not a huge problem if we don't
[11:08] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, I'll take a look at that this weekend
[11:08] <bluesabre> at some point I'd like to get my wife a monitor so I can have a second one to work with at all times
[11:08] <bluesabre> *a new monitor
[11:20] <ochosi> that sounds like a good plan
[11:20] <ochosi> two monitors really increase the productivity in my experience
[11:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: either way, you said you were gonna merge the greeter branches?
[11:21] <ochosi> i think the more crucial one i linked to before in #shimmer is ok to merge, since it has been externally tested by someone who had that exact problem
[11:21] <ochosi> the other (more cosmetic one) about the infobar i can test and report back
[11:21] <ochosi> i guess first i'll have to try to reproduce the issue
[11:24] <ochosi> Unit193: so just to be sure, you don't see the grey panel issue with Numix in 15.04?
[11:25] <Unit193> If I look I do.
[11:25] <Unit193> If I don't look, I don't see it.
[11:25] <ochosi> k :)
[11:25] <ochosi> well, the readability is not ideal
[11:25] <ochosi> but that's a more general issue with the transparent panel in Numix when it works as it should too
[11:31] <ochosi> it's not at all failure-proof, but actually setting all background elements in the greeter to transparent looks quite nice
[11:31] <ochosi> (failure proof in the readability sense)
[11:40] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, that's the plan
[11:57] <bluesabre> work time, bbl
[11:58] <bluesabre> did one sync this morning
[11:58] <bluesabre> bad sean
[11:58] <bluesabre> >.<
[12:02] <ochosi> bluesabre: well one is better than none
[12:02] <ochosi> have a nice day!
[12:05] <lderan> bluesabre: do not regret getting my 2nd monitor. tho it barely fits on my desk at home :P
[12:15] <bluesabre> I use two at work, its a good experience
[21:55] <Unit193> For anyone asking, xubuntu-core was named that sometime before trusty for Xubuntu, and was following a naming scheme created in 2010. :P
[21:55] <mrkramps> and you do not want to switch to Xubuntu Basic?
[21:57] <Unit193> Well, not against it, but don't want to do the effort of renaming just because Ubuntu named something 'Core' now as well.
[21:59] <drc> The sue them, claiming Prior Art....
[22:01] <mrkramps> actually i do not care about the naming, i know what is meant and i am just happy to see you found a simple solution for the default applications discussion
[22:01] <drc> Cahnging names in mid-stream is not fun...Just ask Ikey Doherty, the creater of EvolveOS...er...Solus Project.
[22:02] <Unit193> drc: Or, trying to make the upgrade path work for the rename, changing it everywhere, and keeping a smooth transition? :P
[22:04] <drc> Well, it was in beta (alpha really, imo), so that made it a bit easier.
[22:04] <drc> I think he had more problems with social media accounts :)
[22:05] <mrkramps> and the domains
[22:06] <mrkramps> btw. did you shutdown the 4.10 PPA for 12.04?
[22:07] <Unit193> Me specifically?  No, but yes it was shut down.  Xubuntu Precise went EOL.
[22:07] <mrkramps> ok, thanks for the information
[22:07] <Unit193> !precise-#xubuntu
[22:11] <ochosi> Unit193: i had already written a paragraph about our naming being done earlier than ubuntu, but in the end it felt too petty so i kicked the paragraph out
[22:12] <Unit193> Sure, makes sense.  drc also noted that there is no GUI software manager, and perhaps we should have noted that (I agree, in hindsight. :P )
[22:12] <mrkramps> hell, no USC?! =D
[22:13] <Unit193> Hah, that's not core, that's frilly.
[22:20] <ochosi> well yeah, the default software could've been listed
[22:20] <ochosi> but anyway, i think the announcement was ok, all in all
[22:20] <ochosi> alrighty, gotta go, i'll be pretty much offline for a week now
[22:20] <ochosi> so enjoy your time, peeps!
[22:21] <ochosi> and have a productive meeting on tuesday
[22:21] <ochosi> i'll set up some blueprints when i'm back, if any of you wanna start on that (sorry i didn't manage today), feel free to go ahead
[22:22] <Unit193> ochosi: Yep, decent indeed.  Have fun!
[22:22] <Unit193> Also, size breakdown: http://paste.openstack.org/show/MS3PjOASmkgPCbxg65xS
[22:24] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Can you convince darkxst to fix yelp to only suggest gnome-user-guide?
[22:25] <micahg> not likely, recommends is appropriate
[22:26] <micahg> it's its documentation isn't it?
[22:27] <Unit193> micahg: 'yelp' is a help viewer, gnome-user-guide is the manual for GNOME.  Other applications use yelp to display help (evince, etc)
[22:27] <micahg> isn't yelp part of core GNOME?
[22:27] <micahg> hence, it's its documentation?
[22:28] <Unit193> 'yelp' is the help browser for GNOME, but ships its own documentation it the yelp package.
[22:28] <micahg> oh, if it ships its own docs separately, than suggests would be fine
[22:29] <Unit193> And even, the default page is help:ubuntu-help/index which isn't even in suggests.
[22:30] <micahg> ISTR fixing that before actually
[22:31] <Unit193> :/
[22:31] <Unit193> micahg: It's kind of large, and useless to Xubuntu.
[22:33] <micahg>  * Recommend gnome-user-guide. Closes: #528017.
[22:34] <micahg> debian bug 528017
[22:34] <micahg> haha, that's why it's there :)
[22:34] <micahg> if the facts on the ground have changed, so should the recommends :)
[22:34] <Unit193> There is no 'help' menu...
[22:34] <Unit193> ...That I can see.
[22:35] <Unit193> F1 is non-act.
[22:37] <Unit193> Maybe in GNOME it does, and of course when you open yelp it's expecting ubuntu-docs to be installed, but it's not actually any sort of issue that it isn't.
[22:37] <micahg> oh, haha, maybe that's what I fixed
[22:37] <Unit193> I wish blacklists worked better. :/


[18:13] <wxl> hey folks just sent a mail out asking for people to show up tomorrow at noon at #ubuntu-meeting for us to get re-verified. i'm pretty certain it will happen
[18:13]  * belkinsa knows that it will!
[18:13] <wxl> yeah i'm allowing for the slim chance, but it's pretty much in the bag
[18:26] <shirgall> I'll try to make it, although I am not the most active.
[18:26]  * shirgall is on a job hunt.
[18:26] <wxl> shirgall: you don't have to be active. just come support us and bring all your friends :)
[18:26]  * shirgall nods.
[18:26] <wxl> shirgall: i don't remember chatting with you before. where are you at?
[18:27] <shirgall> Ridgefield, WA... worked at Canonical for 3.4 years. Recently worked at Collabora.
[18:28] <wxl> aw cool
[18:28]  * wxl notes that wa != or :)
[18:28] <shirgall> I'm across the river from Portland, so I caucus with youse guys. :)
[18:29] <wxl> you planning on going wherever the jobs are or are you tied to the pdx area?
[18:29] <shirgall> Otherwise I deal with a Seattle-dominated loco. :/
[18:29] <shirgall> I'm getting more open to relocating since I've been looking for about two months now.
[18:31] <wxl> well if something comes up in eug, i'll let you know
[18:31] <wxl> what exact are you looking for?
[18:32] <shirgall> I'm an engineering manager or project manager, although my most recent experience is project
[18:32] <shirgall> Be doing the FOSS thing for a living 14 years, and longer on the side
[18:32] <shirgall> Erm "been"
[18:33] <wxl> ah management
[18:33] <wxl> oddly those seem like the hardest jobs to find
[18:34] <shirgall> Been doing some interviewing, but it's been tough.
[18:34] <shirgall> I might have to get back to coding. I'm rusty.
[18:34] <wxl> what languages you doo?
[18:34] <shirgall> I did most things in C and Perl. I was a systems programmer.
[18:34] <shirgall> Been poking around Go lately.
[18:35] <shirgall> I did enough C++ to check the box, but the only thing I really did there was code reviews.
[18:37] <wxl> well i'll put the word out there
[18:37] <shirgall> Thanks, I appreciate it.
[18:37] <wxl> hm, that might be an interesting thing for the loco to do
[18:37] <wxl> have a job board
[18:37] <wxl> are you an ubuntu member? i assume you are
[18:38] <shirgall> I'm not, I didn't actively maintain anything. I did OEM projects.
[18:38] <wxl> ah
[18:38] <shirgall> And before Canonical I was at IBM.
[18:38] <wxl> wow rad
[18:38] <wxl> there's got to be a job out there for you
[18:38] <wxl> what email is good for you? feel free to /msg
[18:39] <shirgall> Lot of on the ground experience with SLES, RHEL, and Ubuntu, as you can imagine. Debian too, in the past year.
[18:39] <shirgall><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:39] <wxl> that's punny
[18:39] <shirgall> Yup
[18:40] <wxl> i'll be in touch
[18:40] <wxl> hope to see you tuesday meanwhile :)
[18:41] <shirgall> Sure, thanks
[18:41] <shirgall> Off to the treadmill for me now.
[19:57] <bkerensa> shirgall: you can go back to Canonical? :)
[20:10] <shirgall> bkerensa: I didn't burn my bridges, but so far they haven't shown much interest


[05:24] <micahg> ScottK: or infinity:  could one of you please let the above into quantal-proposed ^^ I've done basic testing and would like it to bake for a day
[05:27]  * micahg heads for sleep and should be back in ~8.5 hrs
[13:37] <micahg> thanks to whoever released webkit
[15:15] <Mirv> PS's top wish at the moment would be compiz 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 into quantal (even though unity was pushed before it), because of schedule targets of pushing similar release into precise immediately after Christmas holidays
[15:56] <cjohnston> ]/51
[15:56] <cjohnston> 51


[00:02] <pauljw> interesting, i've been banned in #ubuntu and i haven't been here all day.
[00:02] <pauljw> maybe vpn ip addy
[00:02] <pauljw> brb
[00:04] <pauljw> guess that was it...
[00:04] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[00:24] <OerHeks> hi paul
[00:45] <pauljw> hi OerHeks, sorry, didn't see your message...
[05:51] <Bashing-om> !flavors
[06:35] <Bashing-om> Not much of a good thing, but - going to bed anyway - g nite
[07:07] <ducasse> good morning all
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:39] <ducasse> morning, BluesKaj
[11:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning ducasse
[13:43] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[13:46] <ducasse> hi, lordievader - everything going well?
[14:06] <lordievader> Doing okay here, how are you, ducasse?
[14:08] <ducasse> just having a quiet weekend :)
[19:06] <Bashing-om> leave rebooting checking 17.04