[11:47] <wolfger> 43 more days...
[11:48] <wolfger> ...until everybody starts asking "is it out yet?" every 5-10 minutes.
[11:51] <tjagoda> ?
[11:51] <tjagoda> oh
[11:51] <tjagoda> derp
[11:55] <wolfger> 43 more days of me asking "does my wifi work yet?" :-p
[11:56] <wolfger> because after it launches, I know they'll never fix it.
[12:02] <brousch> it's a security feature
[12:02] <tjagoda> I am not so sure about this 6-month release cycle anymore
[12:03] <tjagoda> What do we get from it besides a lot of versions with minimal change and continually decreasing quality? =P
[12:04] <brousch> minimal change? Unity is coming
[12:06] <tjagoda> Speaking over the last 3-4 releases though, I would say that the change between where we are right now and where I was at 7.04 is not really that large of a difference
[12:06] <tjagoda> years, not releases*
[12:06] <tjagoda> 7.04 was actually the most flawlessly working Ubuntu I ever experienced
[12:06] <tjagoda> Quality all went downhill from that Feisty Fawn. =p
[12:08] <brousch> 8.04 is my favorite
[12:08] <wolfger> tjagoda++
[12:09] <tjagoda> I hope I dont hate Unity
[12:09] <tjagoda> It would suck to have to jump the ubuntu ship
[12:09] <brousch> Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu
[12:10] <tjagoda> Even Wolfger wont use Kubuntu
[12:10] <tjagoda> I'm not going there! =p
[12:10] <brousch> plenty of stepchildren to hop onto so you can stay with the *buntu family
[12:10] <tjagoda> Wonder if there's a fluxbunt?
[12:10] <tjagoda> fluxbuntu*
[12:10]  * tjagoda googles
[12:10] <brousch> i think so
[12:10] <wolfger> Mmm...fluxbuntu...
[12:11] <brousch> http://fluxbuntu.org/
[12:11] <tjagoda> died at 9.04
[12:11] <brousch> i think the little window manager people have hopped over to lubuntu
[12:12] <tjagoda> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[12:12] <wolfger> 9.04 was Jaunty, right?  Judgement Day must be near
[12:24] <tjagoda> Truth, with wolfger and I agreeing, and a world full of natural disasters and revolutions, perhaps everything IS going to end in 2012 =P
[12:24] <wolfger> .oO(so this is what happens when I stop trolling...)
[12:25] <tjagoda> Also
[12:25] <tjagoda> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003A9GBC4?ie=UTF8&tag=elemmedios-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B003A9GBC4
[12:25] <tjagoda> That would be cool of HTPC
[12:25] <tjagoda> touchpad + qwerty keyboard
[12:25] <tjagoda> about the size of a blackberry
[12:25] <tjagoda> USB wireless
[12:30] <tjagoda> I think I may have Stockholm syndrome with respect to my blackberry
[12:30] <tjagoda> despite it being obviously behind the other smartphones in terms of features
[12:30] <tjagoda> I would still buy another one =(
[12:30] <wolfger> Have you tried another phone?
[12:31] <wolfger> I love my BlackBerry until I tried something else.
[12:31] <wolfger> Never looked back
[12:32] <wolfger> One thing I do miss about the old BB is the ease of single-handed use. Very difficult to use a touch screen with just one hand
[12:33] <wolfger> I was good at using that full qwerty keyboard with my thumb
[12:33] <tjagoda> I say there is no better hardware for pure messaging
[12:44] <wolfger> tjagoda: no better hardware, but Swype software makes up for a lot.  I KNEW IT!
[13:53] <jrwren> snap-l: the naming conventions you mention is standard on every enterprise DB I've ever seen.
[13:53] <snap-l> jrwren: ye gads, they suck
[13:53] <jrwren> its mostly becuase all this stuff came out of the 70s and 80s and systems were very memory constrained
[13:54] <snap-l> Right, and if we were using a database from the 1980s, I'd completely understand. :)
[13:55] <snap-l> But 1980-2008 had some remarkable advances in memory technology. ;)
[13:55] <jrwren> but many enterprise systems did not.
[13:55] <jrwren> they grew, but they didn't migrate or fully rewrite
[13:56] <jrwren> many ERP systems still have cobol components
[13:56] <snap-l> coming to find out that Chrysler was not the innovator of many of the backward concepts that I've seen. ;)
[13:56] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, but this was a new system, running on newer hardware.
[13:57] <jrwren> new to them? newly purchased? or newly developed?
[13:57] <snap-l> new development
[13:57] <jrwren> well then they should fail.
[13:57] <snap-l> as in we were making the column names in conjunction with the DBA
[13:57] <jrwren> there is no excuse for that kind of development these days.
[13:57] <snap-l> I agree.
[13:57] <jrwren> oh, that was the first mistake, working with a DBA ;)
[13:58] <snap-l> jrwren: Was part of the process
[13:58] <snap-l> which was another bucket of fail
[13:58] <jrwren> that is another mistake, making that the process
[13:58] <jrwren> snap-l: who developed this?
[13:58] <snap-l> jrwren: It was like they created an assembly line for releasing code
[13:58] <snap-l> internal development, along with outsourcing
[13:59] <wolfger> snap-l: does Chrysler innovate any ideas, good or bad? I mean, other than the minivan...
[13:59] <jrwren> the "software factories" approach?
[13:59] <jrwren> snap-l: internal to whom?
[13:59] <snap-l> Not sure how to best explain this
[13:59] <snap-l> internal to chrysler.
[13:59] <jrwren> oh, it is chrysler? lolz.
[14:01] <snap-l> jrwren: I should tell you what the process was as I understood it next time we meet up.  Maximized the window.
[15:13] <wolfger> QR code box appears to be anchored to the right side of the browser window
[15:14] <wolfger> And the sucky thing is, I keep my browser at roughly full-size for a non-widescreen monitor
[15:14] <wolfger> they've designed a webpage for widescreen only.
[15:16] <snap-l> Just subscribed to the pycon miro feed. Ye gads, that's a lot of video.
[15:18] <snap-l> And this is why I love me some miro
[15:21] <wolfger> gonna take the free-licensed content and slap together a "best of Pycon" LoCoCast?
[15:23] <snap-l> wolfger: You've not been listening to lococast lately, have you? :)
[15:24] <wolfger> Not since Rick's "Day 1" episode
[15:24] <wolfger> which I suspect I didn't even hear all of
[15:28] <snap-l> There's two more on there
[15:36] <greg-g> what, the, hell, that is the stupidest way to make that schedule
[15:36] <tjagoda> Awwh
[15:37] <tjagoda> No more Ontario Linux Fest
[15:37] <tjagoda> =(
[15:37] <jrwren> why not?
[15:37] <tjagoda> Seems the organizer doesn't want to do it
[15:38] <tjagoda> http://onlinux.ca/node/11
[15:42] <jrwren> well, that is a good reason.
[15:42] <jrwren> someone else should step up... or let it die.
[15:44]  * wolfger looks at tjgoda, who professes to be Canadian these days...
[15:44] <wolfger> I know you know how to run a con, sir.
[15:52] <snap-l> Yeah, that happened last year
[15:53] <snap-l> Not sure if that still means that this year is still off
[15:53] <tjagoda> If I actually lived in ontario  I would do so
[15:53] <tjagoda> I, however, do not
[15:57] <brousch> so ontario shuts down and indianapolis starts up
[16:10] <wolfger> That's right. Support it, bitches. Don't let another con go down the tubes. :-)
[16:42] <rick_h_> snap-l: http://uploads.mitechie.com/lococast_pycon.png seems like pycon's been good to us :)
[16:44] <jcastro> nice!
[16:44] <rick_h_> jcastro: never ran into evan, tried to get amber to intro us so I could deliver your message
[16:44] <rick_h_> not sure if he's still down here
[16:45] <rick_h_> hopefully getting an interview with Michael Food a bit later so I'll ask him
[16:45] <jcastro> I've chatted with him since then
[16:45] <jcastro> thanks though
[16:45] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha
[16:46] <wolfger> rick_h_: Looking for an appointment with food?
[16:46] <rick_h_> sorry, foord
[16:46] <rick_h_> I'm approaching dead here, typing and 'making sense' will suffer :)
[16:47] <snap-l> Very cool!
[16:47] <rick_h_> yea, still not over 200 feed subscribers, but getting close
[16:47] <rick_h_> but a lot of downloads/traffic recently to the feed
[16:48] <wolfger> I have no idea if I'm a subscriber or not.
[16:48] <wolfger> Every time I open up Google Listen, I have to click on the Subscribe button again, and then open the menu and click Refresh to get new episodes.
[16:49] <rick_h_> ugh
[16:49] <wolfger> Listen is a cool concept, but I don't think it actually works very well.
[16:49] <rick_h_> someone else was having feed problems
[16:49] <rick_h_> try to delete /readd if you get some time
[16:49] <jrwren> Michael Foord is a MSFT luver. be sure to wash your hands. :p
[16:49] <rick_h_> wonder if it had a bump
[16:49] <rick_h_> jrwren: heh, as he uses his mac
[16:49] <rick_h_> but yea, big ironpython guy
[16:50] <rick_h_> will be interesting to chat
[16:50] <rick_h_> gah, upload faster, been saying 1hr left for last 50min
[16:53] <binbrain> I feel like there has to be a single cmd for this but can't find, want to gen new uuid and have fstab automatically updated to reflect, anybody?
[17:01] <snap-l> no idea
[17:20] <jrwren> uuidgen
[17:20] <jrwren> but doesn't the FS already have a  uuid?
[17:21] <jrwren> you can use uuidgen+tune2fs+sed to fix up your fstab with a new uuidgen, but I don't know of a built in
[17:22] <jrwren> oh, and maybe findfs so you know it worked correctly
[17:24] <binbrain> jrwren: that's the combo I was guessing I was going to have to, just seemed like an obvious thing, if I tune2fs with a new uuid, I want to have fstab updated
[17:26] <jrwren> i've done it manually a few times.
[17:26] <jrwren> only every time I add a disk
[17:27] <jrwren> and since I'm not a sysadmin, that has been about 5 times ;)
[17:28] <snap-l> squeekyhoho: @CnkoymAinjad277: OMG, I just told a spammer to go fuck a barbecue while dousing themselves with gasoline.  One of my friends has been trying to run qtile for about year on ubuntu - he's never successfully set it up :(
[17:53] <brousch> it will take me 2 months to catch up on all the new lococasts
[18:02] <snap-l> Man, so much great content on the web.
[18:03] <snap-l> Going to need another hard drive soon for all of the pycon videos, and a game development youtube channel I found
[18:46] <binbrain> jwren: have a bootable hd that will be dd'd to mass produce other hds, need to be able to dd and then tell the new hd it needs to use a diff uuid, thanks for the help, uuidgen+tune2fs+sed is my answer
[18:52] <jrwren> why the different uuid?
[18:53] <jrwren> the disks will never be in the same server, so it doesn't matter.
[19:35] <rick_h_> jcastro: got a hold of Evan, cool guy
[19:36] <rick_h_> had a great discussion on Unity, he says I should get a hold of Neil Patel for an interview on unity/issues, sound right?
[19:36] <rick_h_> and poor guy is a penguins fan who's not heard any recent news of them or Crosby's status
[19:38] <jcastro> yeah
[19:38] <jcastro> but neil is super busy
[19:39] <jcastro> you might not get any unity folks for an interview, maybe DBO would be the best bet
[19:39] <jcastro> call in a favor from the old days
[19:45] <rick_h_> cool, I'll check in with you when I get back
[19:45] <rick_h_> well.
[19:45] <rick_h_> oops
[19:45] <rick_h_> typo
[19:46] <rick_h_> twitter down/giving strange error for anyone else?
[19:47] <_stink_> working here
[19:49] <rick_h_> http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/14/something-is-technically-wrong-with-twitter-com/
[19:49] <rick_h_> looks like not just me then
[19:51] <_stink_> 2010?
[19:52] <_stink_> :D
[19:52] <rick_h_> oh, whoops
[19:52] <rick_h_> http://status.twitter.com/post/3902683774/experiencing-elevated-error-rates
[19:52] <rick_h_> well that too
[19:53] <rick_h_> funny, I told google to only pull results from the last 24 hrs
[19:53] <rick_h_> and that still came up, wtf
[19:59] <binbrain> jrwren: good point but there are times during the validation of the process that they will have same disks hooked up at the same time
[20:03] <rick_h_> http://blip.tv/file/4884733 8:30 in there _stink_ Blazeix widox_
[20:06]  * snap-l checks to see if there isn't some secret tiling foo in there.
[20:07] <_stink_> video choppy for anyone else?
[20:08] <binbrain> my new MacBook Pro just came in the mail, can't wait to get Linux on this bad boy
[20:09] <snap-l> I can't seek in the video at all
[20:09] <brousch> why would you pay big bucks for a MBP only to put linux on it?
[20:09] <snap-l> dual boot?
[20:09] <brousch> VM
[20:10] <_stink_> rick_h_: haha, this is great
[20:10] <brousch> putting linux on apple hardware always has some missing/crappy drivers
[20:10] <_stink_> OH MAN i can hear rick_h_ laughing!
[20:11] <rick_h_> :)
[20:11] <gamerchick02> personally, if i had a MBP, i'd dual boot.
[20:12] <gamerchick02> i do now with windows 7 (don't hate me, please)
[20:12] <snap-l> Ah, I already downloaded this
[20:12] <snap-l> gamerchick02: I'd use a VM with a Macbook
[20:12] <gamerchick02> and the new MBP 13" looks beautiful
[20:12] <gamerchick02> why, snap-l? works better?
[20:13]  * gamerchick02 is curious, not confrontational.
[20:13] <rick_h_> dual boot you tend to live in one other other
[20:13] <rick_h_> I dual boot Win7 as well, but only go in to record
[20:13] <rick_h_> so I'm not getting better/learning any new features
[20:13] <snap-l> gamerchick02: becuase Linux can handle VMs better. ;)
[20:13] <rick_h_> whereas with a VM, especially in transparent mode, I might run apps/tools from both OS's at the same time
[20:13] <gamerchick02> ah
[20:15] <brousch> yes
[20:16] <brousch> i can run osx, winxp, and linux at the same time
[20:16] <snap-l> Help qtile grow exponentially, we only need two of you. :)
[20:17] <gamerchick02> nice.
[20:17] <snap-l> If I could get away with it, I'd put Windows in a VM on all of the machines that need it
[20:17] <snap-l> so then I could just pop into Windows when needed, and then do real work when it's not needed.
[20:17] <gamerchick02> brilliant, snap-l.
[20:17] <snap-l> and when my parents fuck up their Windows partition even more, I could just reload Windows from the last known good snapshot
[20:18] <gamerchick02> that's... slick. :)
[20:18] <snap-l> Man, rick_h_ projects. :)
[20:18] <rick_h_> ??
[20:18] <snap-l> pro-jects into all of the microphones
[20:18] <rick_h_> voice on those not good?
[20:18] <snap-l> No, they're great
[20:18] <rick_h_> damn, I gave them the good mic today
[20:18] <snap-l> but you're too big for one mic. ;)
[20:18] <rick_h_> and kept the cheap one for me
[20:19] <rick_h_> hoping it would help
[20:19] <snap-l> It's not bad, but there's bleed through
[20:19] <snap-l> on the pyramid one at least
[20:19] <rick_h_> damn, which one is this?
[20:19] <rick_h_> ugh, /me goes back to mic shopping
[20:20] <snap-l> And that's partially because Chris talks like a southerner.
[20:20] <rick_h_> yea, he's a kind of quiet guy
[20:21] <snap-l> and rick_h_ talks like a NORTHERNER
[20:21] <rick_h_> woo!
[20:21] <rick_h_> fight that southern heritage!
[20:22] <gamerchick02> uhm, i talk like a Northerner. i think. i'm not from the "south"
[20:22] <gamerchick02> middle, really
[20:27] <snap-l> I'm using Autoduck an awful lot. ;)
[20:28] <rick_h_> damn
[20:28] <rick_h_> was really hoping wouldn't be needed
[20:28] <rick_h_> it sounds awful as the tracks jump in/out
[20:28] <snap-l> no worries
[20:28]  * rick_h_ hangs head in shame
[20:29] <snap-l> It's not as bad as you might think
[20:29] <snap-l> I lower the volume a bit.
[21:31] <jcastro> snap-l: what was the name of that rush documentary?
[21:42] <snap-l> Beyond the Lighted Stage
[21:42] <snap-l> jcastro: ^
[21:43] <rick_h_> https://github.com/bitprophet/fabric/compare/b2cd73cf77...0950b50bb6  woot
[21:56] <binbrain> awesome rick_h_ whatcha do for fabric?
[21:56] <rick_h_> sprinted with them
[21:56] <rick_h_> created 6 branches of tickets stuff for it
[21:56] <rick_h_> so looks like a couple got merged in so far
[21:56] <rick_h_> couple were just creating branches from people's patches, couple were bug fixes I submitted, and one was a big change to the way the tests ran
[21:57] <rick_h_> wrote a new decoarator that helped mock out part of the system for tests
[21:57] <snap-l> rick_h_: Holy shit that's awesome!
[21:59] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/fabric/commit/76f7f86a72af4681bc653c9ea56ed6bb62685238 was the biggest one
[22:42] <greg-g> PORK CHOP SANDWICHES!


[04:22] <OptikKore> Hey guys im trying to install 11.10 x86 on an acer aspire one 522 but lubuntu freezes as soon as it boots up
[04:24] <OptikKore> i get to pick a language, then select install it goes through its booting process and the lubunut loading screen then i get black desktop and it freezes at mouse pointer or at hour glass immediately
[04:27] <holstein> OptikKore: i would reference https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne522
[04:30] <wxl> anyone use guvcview?
[04:30] <holstein> wxl: i have.. and i suggested it earlier, though it didnt seem to work out for this user
[04:30] <holstein> i usually just use VLC
[04:44] <wxl> holstein: it seems to fail for me trying to capture video
[08:18] <myndzi> any chance someone knows why i can't adjust the key repeat rate via the control panel? (also kbdrate only goes down to 250ms delay)
[10:56] <pAt_> hi guys. I have problems with lx-panel sometimes. I have a fresh install on a new laptop since some weeks. everything works fine with Lubuntu. But sometimes, the lx-panel consumpts 100% processor suddenly, and when I click on a minimized window in the panel, another window opens, which is located right in the panel, next to the one I wanted to open. Has anyone the same problem, or does anybody know what it could be?
[10:57] <MrChrisDruif> First time I hear about it pAt_
[10:57] <pAt_> yes, it is very strange MrChrisDruif
[10:58] <pAt_> most of the time, everything works absolutely fine
[10:59] <pAt_> I don't know how to start to solve this.
[11:00] <pAt_> I have a Nvidia Geforce G105M with the proprietary nvidia drivers running
[11:02] <MrChrisDruif> Seems like pretty recent hw?
[11:03] <pAt_> I bought the laptop in October 2011 brand new. But is is a cheap one €299
[11:03] <pAt_> but it runs excellent, very fast
[11:03] <pAt_> Has a dual core pentium 2 x 2.3 Ghz
[11:03] <pAt_> and I have 4 GB Ram
[11:03] <MrChrisDruif> Pentium 2? O_O
[11:04] <pAt_> nah, a Pentium T4500 dual core :D
[11:04] <pAt_> with 2 x 2.3 GHz
[11:04] <MrChrisDruif> Would have been awesome thou, dual-core Pentium 2 ^_^
[11:04] <pAt_> :
[11:04] <pAt_> :D
[11:07] <pAt_> This laptop is very strange. First I installed Debian Wheezy with LXDE. The laptop worked, but it was very slow regarding the graphics. Also it stucks sometimes for 1-2 seconds not responding. With Lubuntu, it runs much faster than with pure Debian LXDE :D
[11:29] <bioterror> freezing for a sec or two could be relatex to harddrive
[11:29] <bioterror> related
[11:37] <pAt_> yes, that could be bioterror, maybe the hardware is not as good supporten in Debian as in Lubuntu. In Lubuntu, there are is no freezing anymore, nore slow graphics.
[13:47] <Silverlion> hey there
[14:16] <dbtmro> hi
[14:17] <Silverlion> hey there
[14:18] <toscho> hi
[14:18] <toscho> how can I disable screen lock, when closing my laptop lid?
[14:19] <Silverlion> hang on ... support will be there in a min
[14:20] <toscho> thx, no rush
[14:20] <bioterror> toscho, from screensaver settings
[14:20] <bioterror> if I remember right ;)
[14:20] <toscho> screensaver is disabled
[14:23] <bioterror> and it still locks the screen?
[14:23] <toscho> when closing the lid
[14:23] <toscho> yes
[14:24] <iceroot> what is the prefered program for seting keyboard-shortcuts (like lock-screen)
[14:25] <toscho> xfce power manager says: when laptop lid is closed: lock screen (but the only alternatives are nothing suspend and hibernate)
[14:25] <bioterror> toscho, http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/1125/xfce4powermanagersettin.png
[14:25] <bioterror> there's that Extended tab
[14:25] <bioterror> iceroot, editing .config/Openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[14:25] <bioterror> and making a keyboard shortcut
[14:26] <toscho> unchecked that, but still lock
[14:26] <toscho> need to restart the power manager daemon?
[14:26] <bioterror> iceroot, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_want_to_bind_a_key_to_lock_my_screen.2C_how_do_I_do_it.3F
[14:26] <iceroot> bioterror: thank you
[14:27] <bioterror> toscho, there should be no need for that
[14:27] <toscho> but still doesn't work
[14:28] <toscho> does xfce power manager manipulate a config file which can be manipulated by hand?
[14:30] <bioterror> hard to say , I dont have a lubuntu computer near me as I am currently at work
[14:31] <bioterror> has worked for me
[14:36] <iceroot> bioterror: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/912499  if i am correct ctrl + alt + l should lock the screen?
[14:36] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 912499 in lubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "No screen lock key combination/symbol/option per default" [Undecided,Fix released]
[14:36] <iceroot> i already installed that fixed package
[14:38] <iceroot> or is that fix just a lock-entry in the shutdown-dialog? (dont see it there)
[14:54] <toscho> is there good documentation about _persistently_ configuring shortcuts? all documentation I have found works only for active session.
[14:55] <toscho> 1. task would be ctrl-alt-backspace for x restart
[15:08] <dbtmro> I've tried to install Lubuntu 11.10 to a frinds older pc, and I've got an error... ...CPU doesn't suppotr a function (cmov)
[15:08] <dbtmro> ...any ideas... ?
[15:08] <dbtmro> *support
[15:09] <MrChrisDruif> Did you test the media you tried to install with? (Aka the self-test?)
[15:13] <Dani_TM> ...I've got disconected with dbtmro... :(
[15:13] <Dani_TM> why? It's not allowed to say laptop brands?
[15:14] <Dani_TM> and why dbtmro is listed?
[15:14] <Dani_TM> ok... ...not listed anymore... :|
[15:16] <Dani_TM> ok... ...any help plese on "CPU doesn't suppotr a function (cmov)"
[15:18] <Sentynel> Dani_TM: CMOV (conditional move) is a CPU instruction in the i686 architecture that wasn't present in earlier x86 instruction sets
[15:18] <dbtmro> ..."Disconnected (Connection reset by peer)"... ...why?
 Dani_TM: CMOV (conditional move) is a CPU instruction in the i686 architecture that wasn't present in earlier x86 instruction sets
[15:19] <Sentynel> Ubuntu no longer supports older x86 architectures, as of 10.10 iirc
[15:19] <dbtmro> thank you, Sentynel
[15:20] <dbtmro> wich versin of Lubuntu can work on that machine?
[15:20] <dbtmro> *version
[15:22] <Sentynel> 10.04 will ru
[15:22] <Sentynel> *run
[15:22] <dbtmro> :)
[15:23] <dbtmro> does it have a alternate cd?
[15:23] <Sentynel> support for 10.04 was extended precisely because 10.10 onwards dropped i586 support
[15:23] <Sentynel> I don't know, you'll have to look around
[15:23] <dbtmro> ok Sentynel, thank you very much
[15:23] <dbtmro> :)
[15:27] <Dani_TM> why I'm keep getting disconected?
[15:28] <Sentynel> something wrong with your internet connection probably
[15:28] <Dani_TM> i's broadband
[15:28] <Dani_TM> it's broadband
[15:28] <Dani_TM> could be something wrong with my router?
[15:41] <thor_> Bug in lubuntu 12.04 alpha 1 Then you update it in Virualbox, the mouse dont work after the update
[16:00] <thor_> Bug in lubuntu 12.04 alpha 1 iso. Then you update it in Virualbox, the mouse dos not work after the update ??
[16:00] <thor_> does
[16:01] <Unit193> Don't know why you keep saying it here, but file a bug on launchpad
[16:01] <Unit193> Telling us won't do any goo
[16:01] <Unit193> d
[16:02] <thor_> unit193 can you do for me
[16:02] <Unit193> No, I haven't seen it
[16:03] <thor_> unit193 try it in virtualbox
[16:04] <Unit193> !bugs | thor_
[16:04] <ubot5`> thor_: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.
[16:05] <MrChrisDruif> thor_; you can't make someone else report a bug on launchpad which he hasn't experienced (nor force anyone to test something for you)
[16:05] <thor_> ok
[16:11] <phillw> thor_: whene you say mouse does not work, can you check that guest additions was installed fully, you may need to re-add it to your lubuntu VM, I know that CentOS knocks my Guest Additins off each time I update thart system.
[16:11] <thor_> phillw ok i will try it
[16:12] <thor_> later
[16:13] <devnet> hi
[16:13] <devnet> anyone know how to change what the volume applet controls? (pcm, master, headphone)
[16:13] <devnet> it's controlling a worthless channel right now that doesn't raise or lower the volume
[16:14] <holstein> devnet: you can always use alsamixer in the terminal
[16:14] <devnet> holstein: of course, and that's a nice 4 step process around a point and click one
[16:14] <devnet> I'm looking for a solution on the volume icon itself
[16:15] <holstein> devnet: we can call that option A if you'd like
[16:15] <devnet> meh
[16:15] <holstein> you can install gnome volume applet
[16:15] <holstein> you can install *any* other volume control or widget you choose
[16:15] <holstein> you can map it to some keys on your keyboard
[16:15] <holstein> you can remap what the current volume control is controling
[16:15] <devnet> I just thought it might be as simple as altering a config for the panel
[16:15] <holstein> i think its just a matter of figuring out what to search for
[16:16] <devnet> that applet should be disabled by default
[16:16] <holstein> devnet: well, for you it should... for me it works fine, on all the machines ive tested on
[16:16] <holstein> you can account for *all* hardware
[16:16] <holstein> cant*
[16:17] <devnet> well, it could definitely be improved to allow channel selection
[16:17] <devnet> too bad the lxde guys can't get that done
[16:17] <holstein> devnet: im sure its do-able
[16:17] <devnet> volwheel and volumeicon have it as standalone  applets
[16:17] <holstein> http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31166 is someone else with that question...
[16:17]  * holstein looking around...
[16:17] <devnet> holstein: you won't find much
[16:18]  * devnet has been searching for about 2 hrs
[16:18] <devnet> a lot of 'use alsamixer' or 'install this mixer' which really does nothing to solve the problem
[16:18] <devnet> if only there were a conf file to point it to a diff channel :)
[16:19] <holstein> well, installing gnome volume control would do a few things.. we know that funcionality is in the gnome one, and we know how to use it since we are more used to it
[16:19] <holstein> or at least, i am/was more used to it
[16:19] <holstein> you could also try pulse
[16:19] <devnet> you said the 'p' word
[16:19] <devnet> :(
[16:20] <devnet> I think a kitten just died
[16:20] <holstein> devnet: if you want a quick fix, you'll need to find an LXDE dev.. you could try mailing lists for lubuntu and/or LXDE... otherwise, its going to be a matter of trial and error til you get it the way you want it
[16:20] <holstein> devnet: ?
[16:20] <devnet> no worries
[16:20] <holstein> devnet: what P word?
[16:21] <devnet> pulseaudio
[16:21] <devnet> it's a curse word in my circles
[16:21] <devnet> lol
[16:21] <holstein> devnet: so... if it solve this issue, is that a problem?
[16:21] <holstein> shouldnt be
[16:21] <devnet> it does when it breaks after reboot :|
[16:21] <holstein> i use both alsa only and pulse over alsa.. i have had serious issues in both cases
[16:22] <holstein> i have also had flawless performance in both cases
[16:22] <holstein> devnet: we can call that option P, and you can ignore it then.. but you can also add that to your support query "..and i am not willing to test using pulse"
[17:54] <downbeam> hello room
[17:55] <downbeam> hellp
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[17:57] <Unit193> ...
[17:57] <Unit193> Wow...
[17:57] <Dani_TM> ?
[17:58] <Sentynel> new height of patience there
[17:58] <Dani_TM> hi
[17:58] <Dani_TM> what's up?
[17:58] <downbeam> i cant change my desktop background
[17:58] <Dani_TM> how come?
[17:59] <Unit193> !etiquette | downbeam
[17:59] <ubot5`> downbeam: Unsure how you should behave on this channel?  See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubottu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !Caps, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense...
[18:04] <downbeam> ?
[18:04] <Unit193> Getting offtopic maybe, but I don't know how they plan to support it as far as LTS goes
[18:04] <Dani_TM> hopefully they will...
[18:04] <downbeam> what am i doing wrong?
[18:04] <Unit193> You spammed the channel and left, please never do that again
[18:05] <Dani_TM> downbeam, explain again pls...
[18:05] <Unit193> Why can't you change the wallpaper? Are there errors?
[18:06] <Dani_TM> Unit193, I was getting disconected a few hours earlier... ...why?
[18:06] <downbeam> no when i right click my desktop...   desktop preferences is not there
[18:06] <Unit193> Dani_TM: Crappy internet? ;)
[18:06] <Dani_TM> I want to mention that I've got a fiber optics broadband connection
[18:07] <Dani_TM> :|
[18:07] <Unit193> downbeam: Right, Menu > Preferences  should have it too
[18:07] <Dani_TM> yup... ...maby a crappy service provider...
[18:07] <Dani_TM> ;)
[18:07] <downbeam> there is no menu when i right click
[18:08] <Unit193> Bottom left of the screen, there should be a menu button
[18:15] <downbeam> there is but when i click it there is no option to change my desktop
[18:18] <downbeam> hello!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:22] <downbeam> yo!!
[18:23] <MrChrisDruif> downbeam; calm down
[18:23] <MrChrisDruif> !ask | downbeam
[18:23] <ubot5`> downbeam: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[18:24] <Unit193> downbeam: Calm down and wait, I'm not paid to do this and I am doing other stuff too (doesn't help you keep leaving when I look back!)
[18:24] <downbeam> i cant change my background on lubuntu
[18:24] <downbeam> any help?
[18:24] <Unit193> downbeam: Just open a terminal and type  pcmanfm --desktop-pref
[18:25] <downbeam> when i type that it says comand not found
[18:26] <Unit193> Copy directly from here,   pcmanfm --desktop-pref   make sure there aren't spaces or anything else...
[18:26] <Unit193> Except for the option of --desktop-pref
[18:27]  * MrChrisDruif has pcmanfm installed and the command works.
[18:28] <downbeam> i know i can use it too but i want to be able to right click and have the option in the list
[18:29] <Sentynel> downbeam: is the option on the 'advanced' tab of that menu enabled by any chance?
[18:29] <Unit193> downbeam: Either it's already there, or you changed the thing in the advanced section of that sscreen I'm trying to get you at
[18:29] <downbeam> o ya i think that would help...
[18:29] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193; the command should work with pcmanfm
[18:30] <downbeam> if i could figure it out
[18:30] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: It does, I know it
[18:30] <downbeam> brb
[18:32] <pcroque> downbeam: here's a Lubuntu FAQ that may help you: http://bit.ly/ygvIDB
[18:32] <downbeam> ok i rebooted and it didnt work
[18:32] <downbeam> still
[18:34] <downbeam> any one there?
[18:34] <MrChrisDruif> pcroque; might I suggest providing full links when referring to the FAQ section?
[18:35] <MrChrisDruif> downbeam; did you read the link provided by pcroque ?
[18:35] <downbeam> no i wasnt here
[18:35] <Unit193> He was offline, might be hard
[18:35] <Unit193> < pcroque> downbeam: here's a Lubuntu FAQ that may help you: http://bit.ly/ygvIDB
[18:35] <downbeam> ;)
[18:35] <downbeam> i'll check it out
[18:35] <pcroque> MrChrisDruif: Sorry...here's the long link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Right-clicking_on_desktop_pulls_up_a_menu_that_is_missing_the_.22Desktop_Preferences.22_option_and_now_I_can.27t_change_my_wallpaper
[18:36] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[18:36]  * MrChrisDruif contemplates showing joins/parts in this channel again ^_^
[18:37] <Unit193> It's useful, and I'll adamit I liked the short one better
[18:38] <downbeam> it worked thank you unit
[18:38] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, in this case it might have been a bit long...didn't notice it was THIS big
[18:38] <MrChrisDruif> downbeam; thank pcroque ;-)
[18:40] <downbeam> thanks pcroque
[18:41] <pcroque> No problem. I had the same confusion about the menus when I first installed Lubuntu.
[18:43] <downbeam> whats the paste bin
[18:44] <Unit193> Pastebin is so you don't flood the channel with long error messages, one is at paste.ubuntu.com
[18:47] <MrChrisDruif> !paste
[18:47] <ubot5`> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[19:09] <downbeam> hellp
[19:09] <downbeam> hello
[19:10] <phillw> hi downbeam, just doing a little dusting and polishing on the two channels - we cleaners will soon be gone :)
[19:17] <downbeam> am i the only one here?
[19:17] <Myrtti> no
[19:20] <downbeam> does anyone know of any good torrent sites you have to be invited to ?
[19:21] <phillw> downbeam: that would be a better question to as in #lubuntu-offtopic, but none of us are in  favour of pirated things, as projects like lubuntu are totally free :)
[19:22] <phillw> *ask*
[19:22] <MrChrisDruif> Invited?
[19:22] <Unit193> This isn't the right channel (or network) for that type of question
[19:22] <MrChrisDruif> I know one site specific for linux distro torrents
[19:23] <MrChrisDruif> http://linuxtracker.org/
[19:47] <h4ckm3> having trouble using the amdcccle when I attempt to the display mode to two displays it just crashes
[19:48] <h4ckm3> other changes like rotation work fine
[19:48] <h4ckm3> so not a permissions issue
[19:48] <h4ckm3> cord configure maybe?
[19:48] <h4ckm3> xorg*
[19:50] <teamahma> Hey, I get error "Couldn't find any package by regex 'libgtk1.2'". (I am trying to play Enemy Territory and a guide says I need that libgtk1.2). What to do?
[19:52] <Sentynel> teamahma: that's a really old version of gtk which isn't packaged any more
[19:53] <Sentynel> try googling for more up-to-date setup instructions; they might tell you which libraries you need or something
[19:56] <Unit193> Not sure I'd recommend it, but playdeb has it packaged...
[20:02] <downbeam> how do i update amarok?
[20:03] <Sentynel> downbeam: you're on lubuntu 11.10 and you want to update amarok from 2.4.3 to 2.5?
[20:03] <downbeam> ya
[20:03] <downbeam> i mean amarok didn't come with lubuntu..
[20:03] <Sentynel> you need to add the kubuntu backports repository, which is ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[20:04] <Sentynel> I wouldn't recommend doing it right now, however, as that backports repo also has kde4.8 in and there's currently a display glitch with amarok on kde 4.8
[20:04] <Sentynel> we've sent patches to the packagers so it should be fixed fairly soon
[20:05] <downbeam> senty what about vlc?
[20:07] <Sentynel> don't know if there's a vlc updates ppa off the top of my head, or whether it's in main ubuntu backports
[20:07] <downbeam> can i update it from the terminal?
[20:07] <Sentynel> you'd need a repository with more updated versions of vlc in
[20:07] <bioterror> !apt | downbeam
[20:07] <ubot5`> downbeam: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome), !Adept (KDE) or !KPackageKit (KDE)
[20:10] <Sentynel> apparently there's ppa:n-muench/vlc, which has 1.1.13 in, but it's not an official source so use at your own risk etc
[20:11] <Myrtti> is there a specific reason you want to upgrade them?
[21:43] <downbeam> can any one tell me how i can get different background images on two different desktops?
[21:43] <downbeam> ??


[18:35] <pleia2> doctormo: in case you hadn't been kept in the loop, when I spoke with the Manual folks on Monday they're thinking of going with docbook and exporting to mallard as needed
[18:35] <pleia2> apparently mallard is great for system docs, but less so for something like a book
[18:44] <pleia2> so I'm thinking I'm just going to learn docbook for now and go from there
[18:44] <pleia2> even if I don't use it for this project, it's a transferrable skill, unlike mallard
[18:47] <doctormo> pleia2: Makes perfect sense to me
[18:47] <doctormo> Thanks for keeping me up to date
[18:47] <pleia2> sure thing :)
[18:47] <doctormo> Do we have a reschedualled meeting?
[18:47] <pleia2> not yet
[18:48] <pleia2> I really felt bad about failing to show up, the -manual folks continually feel like other teams aren't pulling their weight and I'm sure that added to it
[19:07] <doctormo> I didn't show up either, caught me off guard to be honest
[19:07] <doctormo> The manual team has every reason to believe the docs and learning teams are fakes IMO.
[19:11] <pleia2> yeah
[19:45] <dinda> pleia2: we never did get any response from bodhi on the http://learn.ufbt.net/  site being offline  :(
[19:46] <pleia2> dinda: no, I've followed up with a few people and no one can get ahold of him so far
[19:46] <dinda> pleia2: I lost my edubuntu course i'd been buidling there :(
[19:47] <pleia2> dinda: yeah, I saw :( I have some alternate hosting space if we need it for moodle, but I'll keep trying bodhi
[19:48] <dinda> pleia2: I'm going to use the flossmanuals site instead
[19:48]  * pleia2 nods
[19:49]  * pleia2 emails again
[20:46] <pleia2> dinda: he replied!! http://learn.ufbt.net/
[20:47] <pleia2> back up :)
[21:23] <doctormo> Hello dinda
[21:24] <doctormo> Did you see the collaboration that is being attempted between docs/learning and manual teams?
[23:19] <dinda> bodhi_zazen: ping
[23:20] <dinda> doctormo: yes but have reservations
[23:21] <doctormo> dinda: You say that about everything :-D I don't blame you.
[23:22] <dinda> doctormo: once everything got back to 'everyone learn docbook. . .'
[23:22] <pleia2> the whole thing makes my head hurt too
[23:22] <dinda> doctormo: the manual project did amazing work b/c the process was simple for new contributors
[23:22] <dinda> then the whole discusion turned to tools instead of process
[23:23] <dinda> pleia2: yeah, I tried to keep up and wanted to jump in a few times but figured things would work themselves out
[23:23] <doctormo> dinda: Yes and it managed to do it with LaTeX
[23:24] <doctormo> I don't think it was just that they talked about process
[23:24] <doctormo> I think it was also they had skilled people who knew tools well enough to not have to talk about them
[23:24] <doctormo> You can talk about process much more when you know your trade tools
[23:24] <doctormo> Having a bunch of expert LaTeX masters on staff certainly helps.
[23:25] <dinda> doctormo: dunno, there's a difference. . .all my experts in training know their tools but none of them are foss
[23:25] <dinda> doctormo: just like the hundreds of potential tech writers and others coming from proprietary tools who offer to help the doc team
[23:25] <doctormo> dinda: Nothing I was talking about specified the publishing or collaboration method.
[23:25] <dinda> doctormo: they know their tools but now are being told to learn all new tools
[23:25] <doctormo> That's something of a red herring
[23:26] <doctormo> Problem is, propritary tools are still unscientific, no way around that.
[23:26] <dinda> unscientific?
[23:27] <dinda> so there is a really great pool of people with great writing skills already out there but none of them know the foss tools
[23:27] <doctormo> dinda: Do we even have foos tools?
[23:27] <dinda> doctormo: dockbook, etc
[23:27] <dinda> mallard
[23:27] <doctormo> dinda: I thought our level was still at bows and arrows.
[23:28] <dinda> doctormo: exactly, none of those tools are anywhere near the level of say InDesign, traditional word processors, the tools these folks already are using
[23:29] <dinda> doctormo: like Adobe Captivate vs. gtkrecordmydesktop - no comparison
[23:29] <doctormo> dinda: We can't help that except to make better tools.
[23:29] <dinda> doctormo: yip, that is very much needed but. . .
[23:29] <dinda> since these are not 'tools for developers' there is little effort to have them improved
[23:30] <dinda> it's the specialised tools for most any profession where foss is lacking
[23:30] <doctormo> or money, but I can tell you now I get nothing for developing ground control, even though it's a leading light in getting more _developers_ involved
[23:30] <doctormo> Even Debian has trouble finding resources for it's internal tools
[23:30] <doctormo> and that's all development tools
[23:31] <dinda> there are some great ones out there but nothing equivalent to many existing proprietary tools
[23:31] <doctormo> dinda: What would you have us do?
[23:31] <dinda> doctormo: yip, until it becomes important enough for someone to pay for, no money will be thrown at it/you
[23:32] <dinda> doctormo: I was lobbying for a doc team sprint just like they do tons of developer sprints
[23:32] <dinda> but documentation is still not sexy enough to warrant the effort
[23:33] <doctormo> Something the manual team is working towards fixing I think :-D
[23:33] <dinda> until some 'company' realises they are losing users b/c of bad documentation, there's little hope of getting money for better tools
[23:33] <doctormo> Although I don't know what the perception was like inside Canonical
[23:33] <dinda> the manual project was pretty much irrelevant to Canonical. . .
[23:33] <dinda> although I personally see it as a great thing
[23:34] <dinda> too bad we can't collaborate b/c they did great work
[23:34] <dinda> and this is the fault of canonical, not the manual or other team
[23:34] <doctormo> Canonical's attatude towards the community documentation and learning projects is pretty aweful.
[23:34] <doctormo> I wonder how we can make it better
[23:34] <dinda> until I can convince certain people that we lose nothing by working with CC-BY-SA sections
[23:35] <dinda> it won't change
[23:35] <dinda> doctormo: this is why I'm doing the edubuntu course as a volunteer project
[23:35] <doctormo> dinda: Have you heard of the copyleft commons protection theory?
[23:36] <dinda> doctormo: not sure
[23:37] <doctormo> It says that you don't require NC restrictions because SA is effectivly the same thing, the same amount of fear you feel about releasing a work under copyleft is the same amount of fear that a competitor will feel about being forced to publish all of their work under the same license because they used your work in some way.
[23:37] <doctormo> Your competitors need to diferentiate, but they can't if they need to release the work
[23:37] <doctormo> But the original company brand has a massive diferentiator just in the name and authority of the companies position.
[23:38] <doctormo> company's*
[23:39] <dinda> doctormo: to me you only need to protect stuff that is not available anywhere else, something you claim to have a monoply on
[23:39] <dinda> but with our materials that is not the case
[23:39] <dinda> 95% of the info is already out there on a wiki someplace
[23:40] <dinda> emmajane had a blog post about artefacts in training
[23:40] <dinda> she was trying to make the analogy that in drupal many of the free modules are there as artefacts of paid work
[23:40] <doctormo> In my case I advise artists thus: If you aim to collaborate in any fashion with any peers of any size then NC and ND clauses are a bad idea, on the other hand if your looking to just freely distribute the fixed original work then use ND and NC.
[23:41] <dinda> but in training that is not the case
[23:41] <doctormo> Yes you have a service to offer, work to be paid for directly, that's the business right.
[23:42] <dinda> so the question is where is the value?  in the sheet music?  or in the artist who can interpret that music and give a unique interpretation to notes on the page?
[23:43] <dinda> lots of classical music is way out of copyright yet we pay for recordings and live concerts
[23:43] <dinda> to me that's what great training is, a great experience that only certain few can give
[23:44] <doctormo> Yes, why is this so hard to convince the people in charge of? It is logical.
[23:44] <dinda> doctormo: you tell me and we'll both be rich! :)
[23:45] <dinda> or just perhaps a little bit happier as then we can collaborate freely ;)
[23:45] <doctormo> Carrot and stick and everybody had a leaver.
[23:46] <dinda> but when your resources disappear, kind of hard to collaborate. . .which is why i'm poking bodhi_zazen
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo dinda , sorry, what do you need ?
[23:46] <doctormo> That's a fairly bad instance, considering the amount of down time.
[23:46] <doctormo> But it's not always like that
[23:47] <dinda> bodhi_zazen: the ufbt site has been down!
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> Aye, sorry about that
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> It is fixed now
[23:47] <dinda> bodhi_zazen: thank you!!!
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> NP, pleia2 sent me an email earlier
[23:48] <ZachK_> sup ya'll
[23:50] <doctormo> Hey ZachK_
[23:51] <ZachK_> heya doctormo
[23:55] <dinda> ok, great can get back to finishing this course now
[23:55] <dinda> thanks bodhi_zazen!
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> NP
[23:57] <ZachK_> bodhi_zazen rocks