[00:41] <Daviey> Is there a delay with "Packages" being updated?
[00:41] <Daviey> a file seems to be in my ppa repo, but not in the Packages index
[00:41] <Daviey> :S
[00:41] <Daviey> ahh done now
[00:42] <wgrant> It's not entirely atomic, and you caught it a minute after the update started.
[00:42] <Daviey> ta
[00:42] <wgrant> The Packages files should be updated last so the archive is always consistent.
[00:52] <maxb> http://red-bean.com/~maxb/ppa-keys.png  <-- It could take a while, but I like this trend :-)
[00:53] <wgrant> maxb: That's the number of keys matching 'Launchpad PPA for .*' or so?
[00:56] <maxb> yes
[01:01] <wgrant> The signing actually works, too. It's nice being able to use PPAs now.
[02:46] <troglon> whats the etiquette for changing bug status? what is the difference between new and confirmed?
[02:48] <thumper> new often means that no one has looked at it
[02:48] <thumper> confirmed means normally that someone has confirmed it is a bug and not pebkac
[02:49] <thumper> troglon: etiquette often changes from project to project
[02:50] <troglon> who should/can officially "confirm" it? in otherwords, a bug has been confirmed by multiple replies and can be seen in other subprojects, but for some reason has not had its status changed...
[02:50] <troglon> thumper: yeah, ok
[02:51] <thumper> I'm not sure on the rules for who can confirm
[02:51] <thumper> try it
[02:51] <thumper> and hope that you don't need your flameproof pants
[02:51] <troglon> will the "Comment on this change" show up as a reply? Or just in the logs?
[02:51] <thumper> it'll show up as a comment
[02:51] <troglon> thanks
[02:53] <troglon> heh so what is the etiquette for changing the title, making it clearer/more like similar bugs?
[02:53] <troglon> (they really should have a faq on this)
[02:54] <troglon> im in the ubunu project, btw
[02:54] <thumper> they might have a faq on this
[02:54] <thumper> I'm not sure
[02:54] <thumper> I think the general etiquette is "If it makes it clearer, it is a good thing"
[02:54] <troglon> i have check and checked and havnt seen a peep on this kinda stuff
[02:55] <troglon> i guess i just make a educated decision and wait and see if its acceptable... ;)
[02:56] <thumper> good luck
[02:57] <troglon> thanks again
[04:53] <ZehRique> Ursinha: ping? (sorry for boring you at this time, but I need help)
[04:54] <wgrant> ZehRique: If she's not around, you might consider asking your question more generally.
[04:57] <ZehRique> wgrant: thanks for contacting me. I need to know if there is a wiki admin online now. I lost the access to my ubuntu wiki account without reason.
[04:57] <wgrant> I've no idea about that stuff, sorry.
[04:58] <ZehRique> wgrant: gee... OK, wgrant. Thanks anyway! :)
[05:01] <spm> ZehRique: I believe the ubuntu wiki now use launchpad's openid. So - can you login to your LP acount?
[05:02] <ZehRique> spm: no. I have an account at main Ubuntu's wiki, but the 'problematic' account is hosted at wiki.ubuntu-br.org, which dont' make use of OpenID. :(
[05:03] <spm> ZehRique: Ah. hence why you ping Ursinha. Sorry - can't help either :-)
[05:04] <wgrant> Ah, I see, that makes more sense.
[05:04] <ZehRique> spm: Yeah! :)
[05:04] <ZehRique> spm: the wiki software is telling me that my account belongs to any other person now.
[05:04] <spm> That would be... vexing.
[05:05] <ZehRique> spm,  wgrant: I need my login because I need updating some pages there and create a new one just now! Don't know what to do...
[05:09] <JanC> ZehRique: maybe contact ubuntu-br people?
[05:11] <ZehRique> JanC: I just made it. But until now I didn't get an answer. :(
[05:11] <ZehRique> 3 to 4 days
[08:38] <dragojevic> Hi - I am Janet Dragojevic from PCF - Miro.
[08:39] <dragojevic> We have made a huge amount of changes to our ui much of which requires translations to be updated.  Is there any way I could get an email list - or a group of names of people who had previously done Miro translations and ask if they could help us get the translations updated for the 2.0 release?
[08:39] <dragojevic> If you would like - you can contact me directly - jed @ pculture.org
[08:40] <dragojevic> danilos:  maybe that above question was directed at you?  Or maybe you can refer me to someone I can contact about this.
[09:11] <al-maisan> hello dragojevic, danilos is still AFK at the moment .. please consider adding a question ( https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion) and contacting him that way.
[09:24] <dragojevic> al-maisan: thanks for the info.  I can be around all day if too, if there is likely to be him or someone else in later.  But I'll try that link.
[09:25] <al-maisan> dragojevic: he should be available in an hour or so .. putting in the question just makes sure that it will be dealt with properly.
[09:33] <dragojevic> ok thanks.
[11:03] <adiroiban> hi. one small questions Language packs deltas are generated as delta of the base pack or basa pack + previous deltas? https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+language-packs
[11:20] <mrevell> danilos: Are you able to help adiroiban? ^^^^^^^^^^
[11:22] <adiroiban> mrevell: thank! I got an answer on #ubuntu-translators
[11:22] <adiroiban> delta of the base pack
[11:22] <mrevell> cool
[11:23] <adiroiban> from mirv
[12:45] <ahasenack> guys, what does "fixed in RF 7588" mean? What's an RF? When will the fix "be out"?
[12:45] <beuno> ahasenack, RocketFuel
[12:45] <beuno> which trunk for us
[12:45] <ahasenack> beuno: so it's live in the edge site?
[12:46] <beuno> ahasenack, you can see which version edge is running on the bottom of the pages
[12:46] <beuno> depending on when that was committed, it may be rolled out next week due to database freeze
[12:46] <ahasenack> ok, so it's in edge already (edge says 7599)
[12:47] <beuno> yeap
[12:48] <ahasenack> do you know when that fix will be in production?
[12:48] <ahasenack> (#317241)
[12:49] <beuno> ahasenack, I think the next rollout to production is in a little under 2 weeks
[14:32] <ripps> Does anybody know when we're suppose to get our signed archive keys?
[14:34] <kiko> ripps, do you have any entropy free?
[14:40] <james_w> kiko: asdfjasdfjasdfwerands <- there's a bit for you, feed that in
[14:40] <bigjools> we need someone to waggle a mouse about for 24 hours
[14:40] <Nafallo> bigjools: count me out. I'm in the wrong DC for that ;-)
[14:41] <maxb> I started graphing it: http://www.red-bean.com/~maxb/ppa-keys.png
[14:41] <bigjools> Nafallo: I bet the PPA users would pay you ;)
[14:41] <Nafallo> hehe
[14:42] <maxb> Unfortunately rrdtool doesn't seem to have a linear regression mode, but crude eyeballing suggests "a few days"
[14:43] <ripps> Only a hundred keys a day? How many ppa's are there?
[14:43] <maxb> The top of the graph is where it is for a reason :-)
[14:43] <bigjools> heh :)
[14:44] <ripps> are they being generated in some kind of order? alphabetic? date created?
[14:44] <maxb> Based on the active PPAs count shown at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[14:45]  * Nafallo wonders what an "active" PPA is :-)
[14:46] <bigjools> one with uploaded packages
[14:47] <Nafallo> lol
[14:47] <Nafallo> nice
[14:47] <Nafallo> so we have 4800 empty PPAs...
[14:47] <bigjools> yes, we have PPAs with nothing in them.  Go figure.
[14:47] <Nafallo> :-)
[14:55] <ripps> Okay, this might sound kinda noobish, but how do we import the keys into apt once their generated
[14:58] <kiko> bigjools, might be worth doing a cleanup script at some point
[14:58] <matsubara> ripps, apt-key add <filename>
[14:59] <ripps> matsubara: can filename be substituted for a url?
[14:59] <kiko> ripps, no, so you need to download with gpg
[14:59] <kiko> matsubara, sudo right?
[15:00] <maxb> wget -O- url | apt-key add -
[15:00] <kiko> bigjools, how is the generation coming along?
[15:00] <bigjools> kiko: AFAIK, 3 days to go
[15:00] <matsubara> ripps, what maxb said should work
[15:03] <ripps> Hmm... I keep getting "gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found"
[15:03] <ripps> Even though I can see the gpg key on the page
[15:03] <maxb> ripps: What exactly are you downloading?
[15:04] <ripps> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x632D16BB0C713DA6
[15:04] <ripps> It's for fta's ppa
[15:05] <maxb> hmm. You may need to copy/paste out the key block alone, removing the html wrapping
[15:06] <ripps> Man, that's lame
[15:06] <maxb> | egrep -v '^<' | apt-key add -
[15:07] <maxb> I imagine the more pgp-aware people will start creating *-keyring packages in their PPA, like the official dist has
[15:10] <matsubara> ripps, try: gpg --recv <key-id> && gpg --export -a <key-id> | sudo apt-key add -
[15:12] <ripps> matsubara: It says I need to specify a keyserver
[15:12] <matsubara> --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com
[15:14] <ripps> matsubara: Awesome, that worked. I am so making a script for this.
[15:19] <matsubara> ripps, cool. glad I could help
[15:20]  * ripps is now checking his favorite ppa's to see if they have keys yet
[15:21] <maxb> ripps: even once they have keys, they don't actually get signed until the owner uploads a new package....
[15:22] <maxb> You might as well just wait and add keys the next time you are prompted about unauthenticated packages
[15:22] <ripps> I've got nothing else to do right now, so I'm wasting time.
[15:27] <ripps> Do they literally have someone creating entropy for the key generation?
[15:28] <maxb> That sounds rather implausible :-)
[15:29] <ripps> Then where do they get entropy from?
[15:30]  * ripps pictures a team of people swiveling mice
[15:30] <rockstar> ripps, entropy can be generated from all sorts of places, including network traffic.
[15:30] <bigjools> it's doing it very slowly for now
[15:30] <bigjools> rockstar: apparently not network traffic
[15:30] <rockstar> bigjools, the kernel supports it.  I was reading about it the other day.
[15:31] <bigjools> it would be a bad thing to do, network traffic can be manipulated
[15:31] <rockstar> I was thinking about generating entropy using a Wii Balance Board.
[15:31] <bigjools> lol
[15:31] <bigjools> the way I play, that would indeed be random
[15:31] <rockstar> bigjools, many methods of generating entropy can be manipulated.
[15:32] <ripps> I want to find some way to create entropy by measure something from my armpits. galvonic response maybe
[15:32] <bigjools> to varying degrees
[15:32] <rockstar> Although the best solution might be `rm /dev/random; ln -s /dev/urandom /dev/random`
[15:32] <rockstar> :)
[15:40] <ripps> How do we make our own *-keyring packages?
[15:42] <rockstar> ripps, I think that question might be better answered in channel about packaging.
[16:27] <cody-somerville> rockstar, ^^
[16:27] <rockstar> Okay, so I see three branches here in your project.
[16:27] <rockstar> Each of them is a series branch, and owned by a team (which is generally a good practice).
[16:28] <rockstar> cody-somerville, tell me about your workflow.
[16:29] <cody-somerville> rockstar, Well, we mostly commit to -stable as we fix bugs
[16:29] <cody-somerville> -legacy is old stuff and we maintain it as needed
[16:29] <cody-somerville> I have a branch on my computer and I commit to it when I make a change and then attempt to push
[16:29] <cody-somerville> I merge if need be and then commit and then push
[16:30] <rockstar> So your developers check out the branch, hack on it, and commit a single revision at a time, directly back to that branch?
[16:30] <cody-somerville> No, we branch
[16:30] <rockstar> Er, that's what I meant.  Check out meaning "check it out dude!"  :)
[16:30] <rockstar> (Examine)
[16:33] <rockstar> Okay, what I would suggest is that when you hack on a branch, you do one of two things.  Either make a checkout on the branch, or create separate branches, hack on them, and merge those branches into your mainline when you're done with the feature.
[16:35] <rockstar> cody-somerville, I don't particularly use heavyweight checkouts.  I think the latter is better.  You WANT the D part of a DVCS
[16:36] <cody-somerville> rockstar, Is there any option on the branch to help prevent people from accidentally removing revisions via merges?
[16:37] <rockstar> cody-somerville, not sure.  In fact, I think there's a bzr bug there.
[16:38] <rockstar> cody-somerville, There should at least be a warning that it's going to remove revisions.
[16:41] <kiko-phone> remove revisions?
[16:42] <kiko-phone> it shouldn't unless you --overwrite
[16:45] <rockstar> kiko-phone, yea, I suspect there's a path they are following which is removing the revisions, and so there's an issue there.
[16:46] <cody-somerville> kiko-phone, if you merge it'll allow you
[16:47] <rockstar> cody-somerville, how are you merging?
[16:47] <cody-somerville> rockstar, bzr merge
[16:49] <rockstar> cody-somerville, so it's "bzr push, oops, out of date.  bzr merge, bzr commit, bzr push." ?
[16:49] <cody-somerville> yup
[16:50]  * rockstar hms
[16:54] <rockstar> cody-somerville, I'd suggest creating personal branches, and merging those personal branches into the main branch.
[16:54] <cody-somerville> so we should branch twice?
[16:55] <rockstar> cody-somerville, well, you maintain a mirror of the main branch.  Branch from that (so you can branch when you're on a plane), hacka hacka, and then merge back into trunk (after you're sure it's updated)
[16:56] <cody-somerville> How odd
[16:58]  * andrea-bs uses rockstar's proposed workflow and thinks it's not just very useful, but also helps keeping the code clean
[16:59] <rockstar> cody-somerville, well, it sounds like you want to make a DVCS a PVCS.  In that case, use checkouts.
[17:00] <rockstar> cody-somerville, the projects I work on happen at a higher velocity than it sounds like yours do, and so my originally suggested workflow is the ONLY workflow.
[17:04]  * LarstiQ didn't check closely
[17:04] <LarstiQ> but it looks like cody-somerville is talking about revision reordering
[17:04] <LarstiQ> where the _revnos_ change, but no revision get lost
[17:04]  * cody-somerville nod nods.
[17:05] <LarstiQ> cody-somerville: in which case, you could use the append_history_only setting to disallow that
[17:05] <cody-somerville> How do I do that?
[17:05] <LarstiQ> cody-somerville: which will force you to work in the way rockstar recommend, _or_ by using checkouts
[17:05] <cody-somerville> and will that setting get pushed to launchpad?
[17:06] <rockstar> cody-somerville, no.
[17:06] <rockstar> So everyone on your team would have to do that.
[17:06] <rockstar> LarstiQ, ah, I was swapping revno and revid in my head.
[17:07] <cody-somerville> :/
[17:08] <rockstar> cody-somerville, your current workflow is not ideal.
[17:11] <rockstar> cody-somerville, also make note that I'm doing a UbuntuDeveloperWeek session on using bzr and lp
[17:11] <cody-somerville> neat
[17:11] <cody-somerville> I'll be there
[19:00] <fta> [16:04] <ripps> It's for fta's ppa <[19:01] <rockstar> fta, :)
[20:32] <DTee> Hi
[20:32] <DTee> I am wondering if someone can help me
[20:53] <rockstar> DTee, what can I help you with?
[20:55] <DTee> May I PM you rockstar?
[20:56] <rockstar> DTee, well, yes, but if it's something that might help someone else, then it's best to keep it in channel.
[20:56] <DTee> Not paticularly
[20:56] <DTee> its relating to a project for my Dissertation
[20:56] <DTee> nothing technical
[22:44] <spitfire_> hey.
[22:44] <spitfire_> I've setup this PPA: https://edge.launchpad.net/~mieszkoslusarczyk/+archive/ppa/
[22:44] <spitfire_> and synaptic can't get packages index.
[22:44] <spitfire_> Anyone does know why this might happen?
[22:46] <rockstar> spitfire_, have you updated your package list?
[22:46] <spitfire_> Yes.
[22:47] <spitfire_> and it tells itcouldn't download some index files.
[22:47] <spitfire_> But as you can see, everythings there.
[22:48] <spitfire_> W: Nie udało się pobrać http://ppa.launchpad.net/mieszkoslusarczyk/ppa/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/source/Sources  404 Not Found
[22:48] <bigjools> spitfire_: use http://ppa.launchpad.net/mieszkoslusarczyk/ubuntu/ for now
[22:48] <spitfire_> and:
[22:48] <spitfire_> W: Nie udało się pobrać http://ppa.launchpad.net/mieszkoslusarczyk/ppa/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404 Not Found
[22:48] <spitfire_> bigjools:
[22:48] <spitfire_> how?
[22:49] <bigjools> it's because you're using edge and we're changing the URLs
[22:49] <spitfire_> I added entry suggested on my ppa's page
[22:49] <spitfire_> oh
[22:49] <bigjools> spitfire_: use the one I just said
[22:50] <spitfire_> oh
[22:50] <spitfire_> there was additional /ppa
[22:50] <spitfire_> :)
[22:51] <bigjools> yep - it's in advance of us doing multiple PPAs per user
[22:51] <spitfire_> mutiple?
[22:51] <spitfire_> Is it possible
[22:51] <bigjools> in the future!
[22:51] <spitfire_> I thought only through another team.
[22:51] <spitfire_> ok
[22:51] <bigjools> we need to fix the URLs first
[22:51] <spitfire_> bigjools: do you know anything about gpg keys that launchpad is adding to ppa's?
[22:51] <bigjools> yes, what do you need to know?
[22:51] <spitfire_> Is it done automatically?
[22:52] <bigjools> yes
[22:52] <spitfire_> Does it use the key I supplied?
[22:52] <bigjools> no, Launchpad generates one
[22:52] <spitfire_> Or is it generated in some way?
[22:52] <spitfire_> oh
[22:52] <spitfire_> can I change it to mine afterwards?
[22:52] <bigjools> it puts it on keyservers, so you can sign it with your own if you want
[22:52] <bigjools> no you can't change it
[22:52] <spitfire_> ok
[22:53] <spitfire_> bigjools: and one stupid question: how do I sign it when it's there?
[22:53] <bigjools> spitfire_: import the key from keyserver.ubuntu.com
[22:54] <spitfire_> ok
[22:54] <bigjools> and use your favourite gpg app
[22:54] <spitfire_> and?
[22:54] <spitfire_> so i sign the key and?
[22:54] <bigjools> upload your key to the keyserver
[22:54] <spitfire_> I know only how to get it
[22:54] <spitfire_> ok.
[22:54] <bigjools> then you get a web of trust
[22:54] <bigjools> anyone who trusts your key will trust the one LP generated for you
[22:55] <spitfire_> ;)
[22:55] <spitfire_> It's great that it's possible now.
[22:55] <spitfire_> I thought they'll stay unauthenticated forever.
[23:05] <maxb> Fun with rrdtool: http://red-bean.com/~maxb/ppa-keys.png
[23:12] <mwhudson> maxb: :)
[23:12] <mwhudson> from which you can probably deduce something about the rng we're using ...
[23:22]  * wgrant points out that anybody recommending signing PPA keys must impress upon the owners that they verify the downloaded key's fingerprint against the one they can see on Launchpad via HTTPS.


[00:17] <darthanubis> yofel,thanks, but mostly?
[02:04] <jimerickson> got the daily build running on the Pandaboard ES. quite an improvement over 11.10. thank you ubuntu!
[04:06] <oconnore> what does this mean on launchpad? "X must be configured in order for Launchpad to forward bugs to the project's developers."
[04:37] <KM0201> is anyone elses networking applet randomly disappearing... (but i'm still on myw ireless network)
[04:40] <preecher> KM0201, mine doesnt disappear but i do show a no connection alot while its connected
[04:40] <KM0201> preecher, hmm weird... mine just randomly disappears, then reappears, but i never lose a connection (LXDE)
[04:41] <preecher> im on unity an gnome shell-like you i dont lose connection, just that funky empty signal thing
[04:41] <KM0201> if i click the space where my networking applet would be... it shows my available wireless networks, etc... at first i thought it was a theme issue(and it was just blending w/ my panel) but now that i've watched it a while, it's disappearing and reappearing
[04:42] <preecher> if i hover over the network applet it doesnt list my available networks and "enable wireless" is greyed out but im still connected
[04:50] <KM0201> now this is weird, i set up some custom sounds for xchat, and as soon as i restartred, they are gone
[05:17] <KM0201> hmm, still can't figure that one out.
[05:58] <hdpb> just upgraded to Precise, but my wife can no longer log in. accepts her password, but kicks back to login screen. Suggestions?
[05:59] <snadge> check which session you're trying to log in with
[05:59] <snadge> try choosing another one
[06:01] <hdpb> Can you explain? Been on U for a few releases but still learning. Learn by doing so jumping in works best with some patient help...
[06:01] <snadge> next to the login name theres a widget you can click on
[06:02] <snadge> to select alternative sessions.. stuff like recovery console.. Ubuntu.. Ubuntu 2d
[06:02] <snadge> depending what you have installed
[06:08] <KM0201> i love Lubuntu's new login screen... my family will be so happy they can now click their username, as opposed to typing it.
[06:13] <hdpb> snadge: originally it was Ubuntu. Restarted and tried 2d with same result
[06:16] <hdpb> My son's also works, but he hadn't change anything under oneiric
[06:19] <snadge> i think thats happened to me once before.. i but i forget how i fixed it.. probably did something extreme like nuke all of my settings
[06:21] <snadge> you could try creating a new login, and logging in with that to see if its settings or missing package related
[06:22] <hdpb> That's what I was thinking, but being fairly new to testing wanted another opinion. Fortunately, backed everything up...
[06:55] <xiambax> Where can I find more details on how ubuntu for android is actually implimented?
[06:55] <xiambax> I want to buy a phone that I can run it on as i need and upgrade but i want to buy a phone i can run it on
[06:59] <urfr332gO> xiambax, you might look here. http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
[07:00] <xiambax> Most likely going to get the HTC One X
[07:01] <xiambax> The international version. The LTE one isnt quad core which im not overly stoked on
[07:14] <Trewas> quite weird why they push the multi-core angle with ubuntu for android so much, it hardly actually depends on the processor having >1 cores so that's just marketing...
[07:16] <Trewas> "... canonical is THE leader in ARM linux support...", now they are just joking :)
[07:26] <cas> Hi, my resolf.conf get being reset even I don't have DHCP. Is there a new way to configure DNS servers staticly? (I use 12.04)
[07:37] <popey> Trewas: who is then?
[07:38] <popey> Trewas: I think the 'multi-core' angle implies next-gen phones, not current ones
[08:04] <glosoli> Anyone here uses Ubuntu One Indicator ?
[08:15] <bullgard4> Red Red offers a "Netdump" crash dump facility.  what is the nearest Ubuntu program to it?
[08:21] <thevinci> trying to change my login screen background on 12.04
[08:21] <thevinci> lightdm manager or whatever isn't doing the trick
[08:21] <thevinci> is this just something I have to wait for the final release for?
[08:24] <pmjdebruijn> "isn't doing the trick" what trick?
[08:24] <pmjdebruijn> oh
[08:24] <pmjdebruijn> background
[08:24] <thevinci> yeah
[08:24] <thevinci> I installed it just fine
[08:25] <thevinci> and when I go through the gui and click apply, and it says it applied
[08:25] <pmjdebruijn> thevinci: doesn't the background change along with the first user?
[08:25] <pmjdebruijn> at least it did for me
[08:25] <thevinci> but then i log out to check and it's still the default
[08:25] <thevinci> nope
[08:26] <thevinci> i know its supposed to
[08:26] <pmjdebruijn> hmm odd
[08:26] <thevinci> i've watched and read a buncha stuff on it
[08:26] <pmjdebruijn> and you're fully up to date
[08:26] <pmjdebruijn> ?
[08:26] <thevinci> up to date as far as 30 minutes ago
[08:26] <pmjdebruijn> please do note, once you change lightdm preferences I'm not sure the auto background change keeps working
[08:26] <thevinci> even tried fully restarting
[08:27] <thevinci> eh, the post i read and video i watched on OMG ubuntu made it seem like it still worked like that
[08:27] <thevinci> granted, that was a post for Oneric
[08:28] <thevinci> its not a huuge deal, but it would be reeaally nice to be able to change that one little thing lol
[08:28] <pmjdebruijn> Oneiric didn't have that AFAIK
[08:29] <thevinci> is this something you've succesfully done?
[08:29] <thevinci> lemme link the site, hang on
[08:30] <thevinci> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/simple-lightdm-manager-lets-easily-tweak-ubuntu-11-10-login-screen/
[08:34] <pmjdebruijn> In ever used the "manager"
[08:34] <pmjdebruijn> just changing the background for my primary user, automatically changed the background for lightdm on precise
[08:34] <thevinci> is there another way?
[08:34] <pmjdebruijn> no clue
[08:34] <thevinci> hmm, well i changed my BG in the Dash>Appearance
[08:34] <pmjdebruijn> using a configuration tool like that "manager" might break that mechanism
[08:35] <pmjdebruijn> but I'm just guessing
[08:35] <thevinci> and it didn't change my login bg
[08:36] <thevinci> I've been on precise for a little over a week, never had my login bg change, first time i've tried lightdm manager is tonight
[08:36] <thevinci> and changing my default bg is one of the first things i did haha
[08:38] <Trewas> popey: (re: arm linux) well I have not seen any evidence of canonical doing any linux&arm stuff, and lots of smartphone companies do (android, meego etc)
[08:41] <popey> Trewas: we do a fair amount, otherwise HP wouldn't have chosen us for their new ARM server line
[08:45] <thevinci> when i try to use gksudo to edit my unity-greeter.conf, i get this error repeated 4 times "Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap","
[08:45] <thevinci> and the .conf file is empty
[08:54] <thevinci> any one know the directory location for unity-greeter?
[08:54] <thevinci> it's not under /etc/lightdm/
[08:57] <pyrosrock_> hey guys have a mouse issue with 12.04 how can i navigate without the mouse?
[08:59] <Chipaca> thevinci: dpkg -L unity-greeter
[08:59] <thevinci> thank you!
[09:00] <thevinci> well apparently, there is no unity-greeter.conf anymore?
[09:00] <thevinci> can any one confirm this for me?
[09:01] <Chipaca> thevinci: as of when? i've got it, and i updated yesterday evening
[09:01] <thevinci> wth!?
[09:01] <thevinci> I've done every update since i installed alpha2
[09:02] <thevinci> and just today decided i wanted a different log in back ground, and nothing i'm trying is working
[09:03] <thevinci> could i just copy another unity-greeter.conf from some one and put it in the proper directory?
[09:03] <thevinci> would that work?
[09:04] <god-zotac> you'd also need any images/backgrounds or other files needed by their unity-greeter.conf
[09:06] <thevinci> or just replace them with my own and input the proper directions to them
[09:06] <thevinci> I may have found the reason for the problem though...
[09:06] <thevinci> anyone mind checking this link? See if i'm in the right direction?
[09:06] <thevinci> http://askubuntu.com/questions/74196/how-to-restore-lightdm-settings
[09:07] <thevinci> the third answer down sounds like my problem
[09:18] <pyrosrock_> hey trying to report a bug in 12.04 but dont know the package details can anyone help?
[10:07] <glosoli> Anyone knows if Integrated Local Menu will be available in Precise ?
[10:07] <pmjdebruijn> "integrated local menu"?
[10:08] <pmjdebruijn> just old-school application menu's as opposed to global menu?
[10:09] <glosoli> pmjdebruijn: well something like that, like Mozilla Firefox has that button,  there was a rumor about it to change global menu in Ubuntu, don't you red Omg Ubuntu Blog ?
[10:09] <jokerdino> glosoli: not everyone read every article, it might help if you could share the link to the article
[10:09] <glosoli> jokerdino: wait :)
[10:10] <jokerdino> but, i do know what you are talking about.
[10:10] <glosoli> jokerdino: here you go: http://goo.gl/s0kF0
[10:10] <jokerdino> and i think it is highly unlikely that it will land in precise.
[10:11] <jokerdino> because feature freeze has already kicked in
[10:11] <glosoli> jokerdino: ah, yes. have you heard anything about dodge window coming back ?
[10:12] <pmjdebruijn> oh great
[10:12] <pmjdebruijn> localized screenshots
[10:12] <pmjdebruijn> I have no clue what they mean
[10:12] <jokerdino> glosoli: nothing more.
[10:13] <snadge> not to sound like a chipped record.. but who looks after fglrx
[10:13] <pmjdebruijn> :s
[10:13] <snadge> theres a catalyst pre 12.2 available for winders
[10:13] <glosoli> snadge:   12.2 available now ??
[10:13] <snadge> no mention of a linux version.. i would've thought someone on the ubuntu team would get access to the juarez
[10:13] <snadge> or at least be liasing with someone from amd
[10:14] <snadge> theres a couple of annoying bugs that need further attention
[10:14] <glosoli> snadge: ah, seen that for Windows some days ago, tryed to edit link to 12.1 to see if 12.2 available, that always worked, so it seems there is still no 12.2 for Linux, hate them taking windows as priority
[10:14] <snadge> yeah they're being a bit douchey about it.. perhaps we can take that as a good sign
[10:15] <snadge> ie.. they're testing it with ubuntu 12.04 (precise is a supported build target even on the current release 12.1)
[10:15] <snadge> with 12.1.. if i play a video with totem.. X just exits
[10:15] <snadge> and theres the window title not updating bug
[10:15] <snadge> which could be a problem with compiz.. nobody is sure 100%
[10:16] <popey> glosoli: we dont know yet
[10:16] <snadge> all we know is that radeon driver doesnt trigger the problem
[10:16] <popey> (referring to LIM)
[10:16] <glosoli> snadge: I know a workaround
[10:16] <snadge> oh?
[10:16] <glosoli> popey: so this is just a conception
[10:16] <popey> glosoli: feel free to try it out https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/lim
[10:16] <snadge> perhaps you should tack that onto the bug report
[10:17] <glosoli> snadge: for example if you use VLC you can set output to GLX and it just works fine
[10:17] <popey> glosoli: no, it exists
[10:17] <snadge> oh right.. for the video crashing.. so its a problem with xv then.. got it
[10:17] <glosoli> snadge: there is a bug in launchpad which was already reported, using GLX, works just fine, I don't seem to have any performance reduction
[10:18] <glosoli> popey: It won't crash my current configs  ?
[10:18] <snadge> right but not everyone uses vlc
[10:18] <snadge> its good to know though, that the problem is more than likely with xv
[10:18] <glosoli> snadge: there is ability to set in gstreamer I think, or smth,
[10:18] <snadge> yeah but theres still also the window titles not updating problem.. thats really annoying
[10:18] <glosoli> snadge: gstreamer-properties
[10:18] <popey> glosoli: it's a ppa, there's always the potential for that
[10:19] <snadge> hence why im just using radeon for now
[10:19] <glosoli> popey: but as long as you used it, it was quite fine ?
[10:19] <popey> yeah
[10:19] <glosoli> popey: will I need to remove global menu ?  or it will replace it automatically ?
[10:22] <popey> glosoli: just try it, and if you dont like it, purge the ppa ☺
[10:22] <glosoli> popey: if I purge ppa it will revert to the old configurations automatically  ?
[10:22] <glosoli> coz I see it wants to update compiz, unity and etc
[10:22] <popey> yes
[10:23] <glosoli> popey: ok downloading, but this thing is going to change global menu someday ?
[10:24] <yofel> darthanubis: it'll refuse to upgrade if you have skype installed, and kmail doesn't like the upgrade. Otherwise fine
[10:25] <glosoli> brb rebooting to see if lim works
[10:28] <jokerdino> thanks for the ppa link popey
[10:29] <glosoli> popey: do I need to isntall any package from that ppa or just upgrade ? coz with upgrade nothing happened
[10:30] <popey> yes ☺
[10:30] <popey> dconf-editor -> com -> canonical -> indicator -> appmenu -> menu-mode , change it to 'locally-integrated'
[10:31] <popey> and toggle it back to switch off
[10:32] <glosoli> popey: pretty good, but it looks weird with not maximized window, when you press on the white space in indicator-applet
[10:32] <popey> screenshot?
[10:33] <glosoli> wait
[10:35] <jokerdino> filed a bug report for video lens shortcut (bug #942476)
[10:35] <glosoli> popey: stopped working at all, don't know how to screenshoot because now it isn't working for me
[10:35] <jokerdino> requires design input, apparently
[10:36] <popey> glosoli: i use shutter for screenshots
[10:36] <popey> much better than the gnome-screenshot tool
[10:36] <glosoli> popey: I mean that local integrated menu stopped working,
[10:36] <glosoli> popey: do you have unity-team/ppa enabled ?
[10:37] <popey> not on this computer
[10:37] <jokerdino> unity-team/ppa and staging going together?
[10:37] <popey> no
[10:37] <glosoli> popey: that ppa even crashed expo plugin it doesn't work properly
[10:37] <popey> they're separate ppas
[10:37] <popey> nice ☺
[10:38] <jokerdino> what i mean is he has both of them enabled together? :S
[10:38] <jokerdino> gd luck glosoli
[10:38] <popey> you can purge it if it's horrific
[10:38] <glosoli> jokerdino: nah, purging ppa ;D
[10:38] <jokerdino> popey: can i eventually blog about the supposed lim ppa?
[10:39] <glosoli> popeu: sudo ppa-purge unity-team/lim ?
[10:39] <jokerdino> yes glosoli
[10:39] <popey> glosoli: sudo ppa-purge ppa:unity-team/lim
[10:39] <jokerdino> was going to correct that mistake
[10:40] <glosoli> popey: or it can be because I didin't log out and log in ?
[10:40] <popey> ah
[10:40] <popey> that wont help ☺
[10:40] <jokerdino> popey: is gtg working there? what are you doing for the liblarch dependency?
[10:40] <popey> jokerdino: given we don't know if it will land in 12.04 or not.. I'd hang fire for now
[10:40] <popey> yeah, gtg seems to work, thanks!
[10:41] <jokerdino> ah, that is great to hear.
[10:41] <glosoli> popey: I don't remember if I asked you ;D but sorry if I double post, have you heard anything about Dodge ? :D
[10:41] <popey> about dodge?
[10:41] <popey> can you be more specific?
[10:42] <glosoli> popey: Dodge Window, I mean to hide that panel only when window maximized, by panel I mean Unity Dock
[10:42] <jokerdino> dodge launcher
[10:42] <popey> that was removed AIUI
[10:42] <glosoli> popey: AIUI  ?
[10:42] <popey> As I Understand It
[10:42] <jokerdino> "as i understand it"
[10:43] <jokerdino> bbl after dinner ;)
[11:11] <ph8> hey all, i need to wipe my oneiric system because gnome 3 and unity/parts of the whole desktop subsystem are knackered in strange ways - i noticed Precise is beta, are there any big cons from me installing precise now? Do you think i'll get into trouble around main release time?
[11:12] <ph8> I know whatever response i get is just a guess, so i won't come back angry :p I'm a software developer so don't mind a bit of hacking around
[11:12] <crizzy> should work fine
[11:12] <crizzy> feature freeze is in effect already
[11:12] <crizzy> so only bugfixes
[11:13] <crizzy> unity changes are sweet
[11:13] <crizzy> + hud
[11:15] <ph8> i hope so
[11:15] <ph8> unity has been a real downer for me
[11:15] <ph8> hence an attempt to change to gnome3
[11:15] <ph8> but looks like something at the core of my desktop is borked
[11:15] <crizzy> well the damned panel doesn't hide anymore
[11:16] <ph8> not bad
[11:16] <ph8> can you move it yet
[11:16] <ph8> or make the icons smaller?
[11:16] <crizzy> icons ye
[11:16] <ph8> they come out as cartoon-sized on mine
[11:16] <crizzy> there's even a slider for it
[11:16] <ph8> gotta live sliders
[11:16] <ph8> * love
[11:16] <crizzy> can't change the placement though
[11:16] <crizzy> without hacks, that is
[11:16] <crizzy> but i've learnt to live with it
[11:16] <ph8> not the end of the world i guess, on three screens though it means i have to come over to the left all the time
[11:16] <ph8> i'm probably more likely to use windows key and type
[11:16] <crizzy> still, i can't live anymore without <super><type><enter> to launch apps n stuff :P
[11:16] <ph8> which is hyped as a 'big feature' but it puts all the normy users off
[11:16] <ph8> normal people don't type fast!
[11:16] <crizzy> and hud does the same for menus
[11:17] <ph8> i use 'launchy' in windows which gives similar functionality, it is indeed a lifesaver
[11:17] <ph8> efficiency++
[11:17] <crizzy> hud = hit alt
[11:17] <crizzy> also there's nice little reminder in unity now
[11:17] <ph8> is there an official beta or should i just get the daily build?
[11:17] <crizzy> hold super = shows shortcut keys
[11:18] <crizzy> there's alpha2 iso.. no beta i guess
[11:18] <crizzy> doesn't really matter which you install
[11:18] <crizzy> just more updates to dl ;)
[11:19] <crizzy> also the browse web listen to music blahblah large buttons are gone from unity menu
[11:19] <crizzy> it just shows latest/most used apps
[11:20] <crizzy> oh
[11:20] <crizzy> and it's nice that in lightdm login screen.. it displays your background instead of default unity gfx
[11:25] <ph8> all sounds positive
[11:26] <snadge> mostly positive yes ;)
[11:28] <jokerdino> ph8: you would do fine upgrading now.
[11:28] <jokerdino> you can install all the updates when the actual release comes around
[11:28] <jokerdino> !final | ph8
[11:29] <ph8> cheers all, i'm just downloading the images - 50 minutes on my obviously blisteringly fast residential connection
[11:30] <ph8> it's almost faster for me to download it in the office and take the tube home with it (london)
[11:31] <jokerdino> heeh :/
[11:32] <ph8> they're rolling out 100mbit residental to most london homes, my exchange is enabled but they haven't done the street cabinet yet!
[11:32] <ph8> gah
[11:32] <ph8> first world problems
[11:33] <thevinci> I can't seem to install any lenses/scopes in 12.04
[11:33] <ph8> what's a lense/scope?
[11:33] <jokerdino> which one are you trying to install thevinci ?
[11:33] <jokerdino> !lens
[11:33] <ph8> !lens
[11:34] <jokerdino> ubottu fail.
[11:34] <ph8> !scope
[11:34] <ph8> idd
[11:35] <thevinci> the google contacts scope
[11:35] <thevinci> i get this error:
[11:35] <thevinci> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:35] <thevinci>  scope-contacts-google : Depends: gir1.2-dee-0.5 but it is not installable
[11:35] <thevinci> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[11:35] <jokerdino> ah, seems like they are not ported yet.
[11:36] <jokerdino> ported to unity v5
[11:36] <thevinci> that's kinda what i was thinking...
[11:36] <jokerdino> ph8: it is a search plugin in unity dash
[11:36] <thevinci> so it's not an issue with Precise per se, but with the Unity team gettin their butts in gear?
[11:36] <thevinci> I kid, lol
[11:37] <thevinci> these guys are all doin a great job. really enjoying Precise so far
[11:37] <jokerdino> google contacts scope is not by unity team. you should contact the person maintaining it.
[11:38] <thevinci> I imagine these things will start getting ported any how when 12.04 is out of beta
[11:38] <thevinci> I can wait.
[11:43] <thevinci> ooohh! More updates!
[11:43] <thevinci> This is why I stay up late on my laptop...
[11:45] <jokerdino> lol
[11:47] <ph8> crizzy, can I expand the taskbar in unity so i can have 2 or 3 rows of icons?
[11:47] <ph8> i don't like grouping and i always have too much open for the taskbar to take
[11:48] <ph8> grouping == slow
[11:48] <thevinci> I want that snazzy new lock screen GNOME is working on... love me some eye candy
[11:48] <crizzy> don't think so.. no idea
[12:23] <will__> is anyone else finding the timeout too short when pressing alt to bring up the HUD?
[12:24] <mortal> me, it weirds me out
[12:29] <will__> mortal: good to know i'm not the only one!
[12:29] <will__> i don't think it's too far out, but it's just sensitive enough that i assume it's broken
[12:29] <will__> it doesn't help that it's currently slow enough that it sometimes takes a while to come up anyway, but that's more of a side issue :P
[12:30] <glosoli> will__: same here
[12:30] <glosoli> will__: I made it to be ALT+S
[12:31] <glosoli> but it's too slow that way, and being ALT is disturbs my work
[12:32] <will__> glosoli: i think i might report it as a bug then, unless it's already been set up that way
[12:32] <will__> sorry. that sentence made no sense. i mean unless it's already been reported
[12:32] <will__> i've had no breakfast
[12:34] <glosoli> will__: well if it isn't later I will report it :)
[12:53] <tarvid> Daily build - alternate - from yesterday fails to complete installation when installing packages. The option to write "grub" also fails. I'd like to start testing precise, what do you recommend?
[12:58] <tarvid> Any improvement in laptop hardware recognition? I had ongoing problems with my Acer laptop.
[12:59] <dupondje> Always improvements ;)
[13:01] <Tronic> Kubuntu desktop goes completely unresponsive for about 10 seconds whenever I try to pan Bing Maps in Firefox.
[13:02] <Tronic> Xorg CPU usage peaks to 99 %. 7 GiB RAM free and no other significant CPU consumers.
[13:02] <Tronic> Using Nvidia drivers.
[13:03] <Tronic> (and other video, 3d, etc. appears to be working fine)
[13:03] <Tronic> Enabling/disabling desktop effects makes no difference.
[13:16] <tarvid> Tronic, networking issue? Firefox will be trying to download significant amounts of data
[13:17] <Tronic> I don't see how network could freeze my desktop rendering.
[13:20] <Daekdroom> It looks like the ISO limit for precise is still only 700MiB
[13:21] <tarvid> It could if the kernel were to decide getting data to render is more important than managing your desktop
[13:22] <tarvid> Daekdroom, at least today's daily build fits on a CD
[14:11] <tarvid> Todays desktop-i386 boots but will not install. No option to partition hard drive
[14:20] <brendand> tarvid, i don't see it
[14:20] <brendand> well, at least i see the installation type screen
[14:21] <brendand> ah right, selecting 'Something else' crashes the system
[14:45] <tarvid> This is not going well. Mouse is rough and slow and gparted does not detect the hard disk.
[14:48] <tarvid> Is there an i386 install image which will invoke auto-partitioning?
[14:54] <henri> hey all, i've just installed the beta, then installed the proprietary ati drivers - now on reboot i can't 'click' anything in dash? Any ideas? I can search for something e.g. 'terminal' and i see it but when i press enter or try and click it nothing happens, the dash window stays visible
[15:29] <DaniG2k> guys
[15:29] <DaniG2k> I'm in a BackBox Linux liveCD now
[15:29] <DaniG2k> cause I can't seem to start my ubuntu box
[15:29] <DaniG2k> I was messing around with taking off Unity and installing Xubuntu
[15:29] <DaniG2k> and I messed things up
[15:29] <bazhang> how
[15:29] <DaniG2k> I'm not sure where to troubleshoot to fix it
[15:30] <DaniG2k> I basically installed Xubuntu, then uninstalled Unity
[15:30] <DaniG2k> and then I didn' tlike Xubuntu so I tried installing gnome desktop
[15:30] <DaniG2k> and then I wasn't able to log in again
[15:30] <bazhang> xubuntu has no unity afaik
[15:30] <DaniG2k> I took a look at Xorg.log and it said there was no screen found
[15:30] <DaniG2k> I know, I think I messed the system up a bit
[15:31] <DaniG2k> I've chrooted into the ubuntu box
[15:31] <bazhang> important items on it?
[15:31] <DaniG2k> but I'm not sure what I should fix
[15:31] <Daekdroom> Check whether ubuntu-destkop package (and its dependencies) are installed.
[15:31] <DaniG2k> well, not really but it's my main partition and I'd like to get back on it
[15:31] <philinux> DaniG2k: try installing ubuntu-dekstop from the chroot
[15:31] <DaniG2k> ok
[15:31] <philinux> ubuntu-desktop
[15:32] <DaniG2k> ok
[15:32] <DaniG2k> that will be installing a good number of packages :P
[15:32] <DaniG2k> is there a way to completely remove xubuntu? I really didn't like xfce
[15:32] <lan3y> it should get you back on your feet to try again
[15:32] <philinux> DaniG2k: if it says it's installed try reinstalling it anyway
[15:32] <Daekdroom> Removing xubuntu-desktop won't remove any of its dependencies, so.. :(
[15:33] <DaniG2k> philinux: it doesn't. so it should be installing it anew
[15:33] <Daekdroom> You'll have to find the packages and remove them.
[15:33] <DaniG2k> Daekdroom: that's a pity
[15:33] <DaniG2k> Daekdroom: thanks
[15:33] <DaniG2k> Daekdroom: it was one feature I used to like about Gentoo. It resolved all the dependencies of a package. Pretty amazing
[15:34] <DaniG2k> also, I think it wasn't prompting me about which desktop environment to use
[15:34] <DaniG2k> I might have erased some package
[15:35] <DaniG2k> does anyone know how I can get the default desktop environment selector
[15:35] <DaniG2k> ?
[15:36] <DaniG2k> the greeter or whatever
[15:36] <Daekdroom> unity-greeter package?
[15:36] <DaniG2k> is it just unity-greeter?
[15:36] <DaniG2k> k
[15:36] <Daekdroom> The greeter xubuntu uses might have overridden it as default.
[15:37] <DaniG2k> can I eliminate it?
[15:37] <tarvid> earlier I posted problems during install. After replacing the hard disk, I am making progress. Inspecting the BIOS, the drive old drive was no longer recognized.
[15:37] <Daekdroom> I don't know which package is it.
[15:38] <Daekdroom> But reinstalling unity-greeter might be enough.
[15:39] <philinux> DaniG2k: check this apt-cache policy unity-greeter and apt-cache policy lightdm both should be installed
[15:39] <bullgard4> My T61 uses the »synaptics« input driver. How can I switch off gestures on it?
[15:40] <tarvid> and the mouse problem was the surface under the optical mouse
[15:42] <DaniG2k> yup they should be installed
[15:44] <DaniG2k> philinux: do you know if i can completely remove xfce?
[15:44] <DaniG2k> is there a way/
[15:44] <DaniG2k> ?
[15:45] <philinux> DaniG2k: You would normally follow this but for 12.04 not sure http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[15:45] <tarvid> why not re-install
[16:04] <kakeru_san> Hello Guys, i just installed the last build of Pangolin in order to test HUD, but i couldn't use it, because after i press ALT nothing happens
[16:05] <kakeru_san> unity --version returns 5.4
[16:06] <kakeru_san> i also installed compizconfig and enabled unity plugin, and so i am sure Alt is the key that activates HUD
[16:07] <kakeru_san> but not happens either
[16:07] <kakeru_san> can you help me?
[16:08] <philinux> kakeru_san: Just jab the alt key
[16:09] <kakeru_san> nothing happens
[16:09] <philinux> kakeru_san: what about open Dash then jab alt key
[16:10] <kakeru_san> nothig happens
[16:10] <philinux> kakeru_san: works here so maybe log out then in
[16:11] <kakeru_san> <like a windows solution :)
[16:11] <kakeru_san> ill try
[16:16] <KM0201> anyone dealing w/ the disappearing networking applet on lxde?
[16:16] <KM0201> i don't lose my connection, but the network applet disappears, if i click where the applet should be, i see my networks, etc.
[16:17] <kakeru_san> after restart, HUD still not appears after hit ALT key
[16:17] <henri> hey all, any thoughts on this? Whenever i try and start a video playing in vlc, xine or movie player the whole X session crashes and i see: XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0"
[16:17] <henri>       after 2539 requests (2539 known processed) with 26 events remaining.
[16:17] <henri> i don't actually see that, i had to run xine from terminal and > log.file 2>&1
[16:17] <henri> then log back in after the crash and check it :p
[16:20] <kakeru_san> i am using a fresh installed (and updated) version of Precise AMD64 (not-mac), do i have to install something to use HUD?
[16:27] <philinux> kakeru_san: not that I know of. Is the unity launcher and dash working ok
[16:29] <will__> kakeru_san: have you tried pressing it more quickly?
[16:29] <will__> i've found the key to be way too oversensitive to holding it down too long
[16:30] <will__> oh, looks like someone has already suggested that
[16:31] <henri> what is hud?
[16:31] <henri> if i press alt i just see the menu bar on the window i'm in
[16:32] <henri> !hud
[16:32] <henri> oh man i definitely don't see a hud when i press alt
[16:32] <henri> also on a brand new 12.04 daily install
[16:32] <henri> is there a place where it's enabled/disabled?
[16:33] <kklimonda> henri: you can check in ccsm if the shortcut for it is enabled
[16:33] <kklimonda> (that's how I've disabled it ;))
[16:34] <henri> ha
[16:34] <henri> i have to install ccsm first it seems!
[16:35] <henri> ccsmany idea where in ccsm kklimonda ?
[16:35] <henri> oh i see
[16:35] <henri> the ubuntu unity plugin
[16:35] <henri> currently disabled
[16:35] <henri> brb
[16:36] <kklimonda> well yeah, disabling unity could have caused it ;)
[16:37] <henri> right-o so i've done an apt-get install gnome-shell
[16:37] <henri> and logged in with the 'gnome' option
[16:37] <henri> it does *not* look like all the snazzy screenshots i've seen! no fancy curved menus or effects
[16:37] <henri> pretty much looks like gnome 2, but a broken version
[16:37] <henri> any idea what's out of whack on my machine?
[16:38] <jbicha> henri: that's the fallback because gnome-shell failed to load, do you having working 3D graphics?
[16:38] <henri> probably not
[16:38] <henri> i've got fglrx across 3 screens
[16:38] <henri> that sounds like something that will fail my 3d right? :o)
[16:38] <henri> Xinerama as well
[16:38] <henri> that explains a lot
[16:38] <henri> all i wanted for Christmas was seamless multi-monitor support
[16:40] <henri> jbicha, any idea how i can check/confirm/debug? is glxgears a bit old school now?
[16:41] <henri> glxinfo says 'direct rendering: Yes' - i thought that == 3d support
[16:41] <jbicha> I don't know, 3D usually works for me
[16:41] <jbicha> does unity 3d work?
[16:41] <DaniG2k> is there a way to force the reinstall of the ubuntu-desktop packages?
[16:42] <DaniG2k> and its dependences
[16:42] <henri> i don't think so jbicha in that it looks distinctly unimpressive, no wonder i've been so underwhelmed with new ubuntu, all my FX are broken
[16:45] <jbicha> henri: one easy way to tell the difference between Unity 2D & 3D is whether Alt-Tab looks old or not
[16:45] <henri> it definitely does
[16:45] <henri> (look old)
[16:45] <henri> but i can't see anything in the xorg error log
[16:45] <henri> does gnome shell have a log somewhere?
[16:51] <kakeru_san> philinux, laucher is ok
[16:52] <kakeru_san> will__: yes,  i tried pressing very quicly, slowly,  holding .... nothing happens
[16:57] <kakeru_san> does anyone have a clue?
[17:04] <philinux> kakeru_san: No idea. It should look like this. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/hud-new-unity-feature/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG%21+Ubuntu%21%29
[17:24] <kakeru_san> philinux: yeah, i have already seen it working on a video, but i can't make it work in my computer
[17:25] <kakeru_san> when i hit alt, it shows (next the close button) the menus (file, edit, etc), but not HUD
[17:27] <philinux> kakeru_san: I'm afraid I'm at a loss to explain your lack of hud.  Is this a clean install?
[17:27] <will> wasn't there a way to access the hud through a text interface?
[17:27] <will> for debugging
[17:27] <kakeru_san> i would like to know
[17:27] <philinux> kakeru_san: try in a terminal unity --reset
[17:28] <will> kakeru_san: or unity --reset & disown if you don't want the terminal to be paired to unity after the reset
[17:28] <kakeru_san> wow that worked
[17:28] <will> congratulations :)
[17:29] <philinux> kakeru_san: you must have had some odd config in your home folder
[17:29] <kakeru_san> hmm
[17:30] <philinux> kakeru_san: key bindings or something not standard
[17:30] <kakeru_san> hmm
[17:30] <kakeru_san> well it's working (kinda buggy, but working) now
[17:30] <philinux> kakeru_san: Try out myunity 3.0 for customising
[17:30] <kakeru_san> thank you guys
[17:31] <philinux> instaead od ccsm
[17:31] <kakeru_san> ok thanks
[17:31] <kakeru_san> bye
[20:49] <darthanubis> yofel: no skype and what doesn't kmail like;)
[20:50] <yofel> good question...
[20:50] <glosoli> Anybody here might help me with this error: http://pastebin.com/FmVMqWnK core :/an't install ATI Binary anym
[20:51] <glosoli> anymore''
[20:51] <glosoli> can't
[21:02] <glosoli> Daekdroom: maybe you smartass are here ? ;D
[21:02] <Daekdroom> I'm not sure how I should take that.
[21:02] <Daekdroom> But.. what's wrong?
[21:02] <glosoli> Daekdroom: Like: I think you are the smart one
[21:02] <yofel> glosoli: only thing I see there is a missing file for an alternative
[21:02] <yofel> opencl related
[21:02] <yofel> file a bug against fglrx
[21:03] <glosoli> yofel: do you think I am able to install it ?
[21:04] <yofel> uh, no idea, I don't know where that file comes from. That's a warning though, so it shouldn't make the installation fail
[21:04] <glosoli> yofel: it seems to make ,because when I reboot I get Unity Dock like huge icons and one workspace
[21:04] <glosoli> it doesn't seem to use driver at all
[21:04] <yofel> your /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you what driver is actually being used
[21:23] <jcorneli> I am having troubles after upgrading from 11.10 on a Linode
[21:23] <jcorneli> "Your Linode appears to have stalled mid-boot at around the time that the start up process is handed off to init. It looks like the kernel handed off control to init, as it didn't panic, however it doesn't appear that any further services were started after that."
[21:23] <jcorneli> "You'll want to contact the Ubuntu community for more information on known issues with 12.04 and virtualized environments."
[21:23] <jcorneli> This is what the support person at Linode.com told me.
[21:23] <jcorneli> Since I can't SSH in and can't get Console access, I seem somewhat hosed.
[21:24] <jcorneli> Can anyone here give advice on this matter?
[21:24] <Pici> What does lish say?
[21:24] <jcorneli> @Pici: it just gives me the log
[21:24] <jcorneli> I don't get a proper console
[21:24] <jcorneli> I can reboot the machine to my heart's content, but that's all I can do
[21:26] <Pici> I know the folks in #ubuntu-server have been testing 12.04 on the more server-side of things.  I personally don't upgrade my linode until after the release.
[21:26] <jcorneli> @Pici: here is the log: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4cMh5Gcr
[21:26] <jcorneli> Maybe I'll ask on #ubuntu-server
[21:26] <guntbert> jcorneli: running an alpha on a remote machine is courageous :-)
[21:29] <jcorneli> @guntbert: well, someone has to do it first
[21:36] <kubuntu> Hi, I unpartitioned a space and booted from cd but I got guided and manual partitioning, I thought there should be use free space
[21:38] <yofel> kubuntu: what does guided propose to you?
[21:39] <yofel> it should show what it wants to do below
[21:43] <kubuntu> yofel: it's saying guided install in entire disk or sthg similar
[21:44] <yofel> hm, no, that's wrong
[21:44] <yofel> guess you'll have to go with manual partitioning
[21:45] <kubuntu> yofel: If I go manual, is there recommendations for swap place and size?
[21:47] <yofel> for place not really, and size depends on how much memory you need. Probably not more than RAM + SWAP = 4GiB
[21:47] <yofel> worst case you can add a swap file to the list later
[21:49] <kubuntu> yofel: I have a 16G RAM so i still make 4G swap?
[21:50] <yofel> with 16GiB RAM I wouldn't make a swap partition at all, but that's my personal opinion
[21:51] <yofel> or are you expecting to use more than 16G memory?
[21:52] <kubuntu> yofel: does hibernation have anything to do with swap?
[21:52] <yofel> it does, but for hibernation you need at least as much swap as you have memory in use when you hibernate
[21:54] <kubuntu> yofel: the swap is needed even if you have a 1T of RAM as far as I remember reading somewhere
[21:55] <Daekdroom> Huh... it's hard to need more than 16GiB.
[21:55] <yofel> no idea, I've been using systems without swap, so it's certainly not required
[21:55] <Daekdroom> Even for caching purposes.
[21:55] <yofel> you do need swap for hibernating though, right
[21:55] <Daekdroom> Yes, definitely.
[21:55] <Daekdroom> I have 4GiB RAM, 1.9GiB SWAP and my system never uses more than about 100MiB swap :(
[21:56] <diegoviola> hi
[21:56] <diegoviola> will ubuntu 12.04 come with wayland for testing?
[21:58] <kubuntu> yofel: so I need to make it 16G at least if I need hibernation?
[21:58] <yofel> kubuntu: well, you need as much swap as you're using memory at the moment you hibernate. So if you have a 8G swap partition, you can only hibernate if you have only 8G of memory used
[22:00] <kubuntu> yofel: I found this now: http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Installation_Guide/s2-diskpartrecommend-x86.html
[22:02] <diegoviola> any ideas please?
[22:02] <yofel> diegoviola: I know there are wayland packages in the archive, but I have no idea if they're in any way functional
[22:03] <kubuntu> diegoviola: I guess no
[22:03] <yofel> kubuntu: well, that doesn't sound too unreasonable  - but what I said about hibernating still counts
[22:03] <diegoviola> why does Mark Shuttleworth and Phoronix gets everyone excited and then nothing happens?
[22:03] <diegoviola> ...
[22:04] <kubuntu> diegoviola: does he say it will be in precise?
[22:06] <kubuntu> yofel: thanks for your help. it's clear now
[22:07] <diegoviola> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAxMTE
[22:28] <glosoli> Finnaly fixed my ATI issues
[22:28] <glosoli> it was unity/compiz who was causing problems
[23:01] <ericus> Hi. Does the beta version of 12.04 support gnome, the classic DE?
[23:02] <ericus> 'cause I don't like unity
[23:02] <KM0201> no
[23:02] <KM0201> Gnome, as you know it, is gone
[23:03] <KM0201> ericus: if you don't like Unity, you really have only a couple choices if you want to stay with Ubuntu
[23:03] <KM0201> 1.  Get one of the other GUI's (lubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu)
[23:04] <KM0201> 3.  Install Gnome 3 (which will frustrate you even more than Unity)
[23:04] <KM0201> frankly, i'd choose option 2.
[23:04] <KM0201> some have reported a lot of problems with gnome-shell, which basically gave you something similar to Gnome 2.x
[23:05] <KM0201> but.. even that will be gone eventually, so just embrace the horror now, you gotta learn a new GUI
[23:05] <ericus> Whats up with gnome-session-properties btw? Show not at all the startup applications
[23:05] <ericus> *It doesn't show
[23:06] <ericus> So a simple thing like turning off bluetooth-manager is now not that simple
[23:06] <ericus> and ubuntu one etc etc
[23:08] <KM0201> hmm
[23:08] <ericus> Frustrating
[23:08] <KM0201> most of that stuff is pretty easy w/ Lubuntu, since most of it is not installed by default...lol
[23:08] <ericus> I want the best battery life
[23:08] <KM0201> so you just install what you want
[23:08] <Daekdroom> KM0201, ericus there is classic gnome in 12.04
[23:08] <diegoviola> if you want old gnome use xfce
[23:08] <KM0201> is there?.. i thought it went away
[23:08] <Daekdroom> gnome-session-fallback package
[23:08] <Daekdroom> !info gnome-session-fallback
[23:09] <KM0201> diegoviola: but xfce4 sucks big time.
[23:09] <KM0201> Daekdroom: hmm interesting.. i thought it was unsupported at this point, that would be an interesting try
[23:09] <ericus> right now I'm in gnome-session-fallback
[23:09] <diegoviola> KM0201: i don't know then
[23:09] <jbicha> ericus: what's wrong with System Settings>Bluetooth?
[23:09] <ericus> with 11.10 ubuntu
[23:09] <Daekdroom> It IS unsuported.
[23:09] <KM0201> lxde baby!
[23:09] <Daekdroom> Well, unsupported by Canonical.
[23:09] <KM0201> Daekdroom: ah ha!
[23:09] <KM0201> lol
[23:09] <Daekdroom> Gnome upstream plans to drop it at some point, but they "support" it
[23:10] <KM0201> "support"  lol
[23:10] <KM0201> we all love  "support"
[23:10] <Daekdroom> It's pretty much forgotten.
[23:10] <diegoviola> KM0201: there was a fork of gnome2, mate
[23:10] <Daekdroom> But iirc, Ubuntu was working on trying to make it look like old Ubuntu GNOME2 instead of Gnome Shell.
[23:11] <Daekdroom> I haven't checked it.
[23:11] <ericus> jbicha: does not work, just tells me that it's turned off
[23:11] <ericus> i dont want the daemon to load at all
[23:11] <ericus> which was simple before
[23:11] <KM0201> diegoviola: i don't care, ericus wants gnome2..
[23:11] <arand> By now gnome-shell has enough extensions that make it legacy-ish, that fallback is only really needed for unsuported graphics drivers, which is being fixed...
[23:11] <diegoviola> ok
[23:11] <KM0201> diegoviola: but even that was a 3rd party project, and we all know how those go
[23:12] <KM0201> small team= teenagers start to get girlfriends, and the project never get updated
[23:12] <ericus> haha :)
[23:12] <yofel> you could still have someone invent Gubuntu
[23:12] <yofel> or was that what mint was?
[23:12] <KM0201> yofel: mint should be renamed Wannabebuntu
[23:13] <KM0201> but Mint will be moving to Gnome 3 soon
[23:13] <yofel> too long
[23:13] <KM0201> lol
[23:13] <KM0201> Copybuntu?
[23:13]  * diegoviola wants wayland
[23:13] <diegoviola> ffs
[23:13] <arand> Did they not move already?
[23:13] <yofel> better ^^
[23:13] <ericus> fully charged battery (almost, 91%), and it gives me 5hours
[23:13] <ericus> I need more
[23:13] <ericus> like 5.5h-6h
[23:14] <yofel> used powertop to check what's consuming power?
[23:14] <ericus> yofel: yeah i know, i have a powertop script on startup as well
[23:15] <ericus> 9.21W atm
[23:15] <diegoviola> why are people hating on gnome 3 and unity?
[23:15] <KM0201> diegoviola: cuz they suck.
[23:16] <yofel> diegoviola: people don't like change, that's all
[23:16] <ericus> how do you enter the grub boot menu in 11.10?
[23:16] <ericus> i've never seen it
[23:16] <yofel> hold left shift pressed after bios screen
[23:16] <yofel> we don't support 11.10 in here though
[23:17] <ericus> thanks anyway yofel
[23:19] <ericus> didnt work
[23:21] <KM0201> ericus: you can always unhide the grub menu by default (thats what i do)
[23:22] <jtaylor> or install another distro, like 12.04 :)
[23:22] <jtaylor> if you have two it will show
[23:22] <KM0201> this is true.
[23:22] <KM0201> grub unhides by default if it's not a single boot machine
[23:22] <KM0201> but i always unhide it on my single boot machine
[23:23] <jbicha> ericus: those items are hidden from Startup Applications because making it easy to disable them is not good, but...
[23:23] <jtaylor> that is a good idea, in my experience usb keyboard support is abyssmal with grub
[23:24] <jbicha> you can remove the NoDisplay=true line from the files in /etc/xdg/autostart and then run sudo update-desktop-database if you insist
[23:24] <KM0201> jtaylor: really?
[23:24] <KM0201> on a PC I built like 12yrs ago, it works fine, and it works fine on all my other PC's
[23:24] <jtaylor> KM0201: I never owned a machine yet where an usb keyboard worked well with grub
[23:24] <KM0201> jtaylor: you gotta be kidding?
[23:24] <jtaylor> and my current one is only 8 month old
[23:25] <jtaylor> it is kind of working
[23:25] <jtaylor> but arrow down is on "n"
[23:25] <jtaylor> arrow up does not exist
[23:25] <jtaylor> but "a" is pos1
[23:25] <jtaylor> great fun on the first few boots ^^
[23:26] <arand> You must be buying some spacey keyboards...
[23:26] <jtaylor> its working perfectly after grub
[23:26] <KM0201> arand: that may be, i always use generic keyboards
[23:27] <jtaylor> but to be honest I ahve owned many pcs but only two usb keyboards, probably those two are just crap :)
[23:27] <KM0201> lol
[23:27] <KM0201> that's a really good possibility
[23:27] <KM0201> my $15 dynex keyboard from best buy works just fine w/ grub
[23:27] <ericus> jbicha: yeah but making them harder to disable is not good either..
[23:29] <ericus> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagementRC6
[23:29] <ericus> Think I'm gonna try that one out
[23:30] <KM0201> that'll be awesome on a server (but i ain't messing with it till its stable)
[23:31] <jbicha> ericus: nobody needs to disable bluetooth from Startup Applications, using the Bluetooth panel is the right place to do it
[23:31] <ericus> I need to disable some other stuff
[23:33] <jbicha> you can open a bug if there's something that really ought not be hidden....
[23:33] <ericus> evolution alarm notify, gnome login sound, personal file sharing, print queue applet, remote desktop, ubuntu one, visual assistance
[23:34] <ericus> jbicha: from what i've read they're hidden by default
[23:34] <ericus> from now on
[23:35] <KM0201> ericus: none of that crap is even installed by default on lubuntu..lol
[23:35] <jbicha> ericus: yeah, people don't need to disable any of that
[23:36] <ericus> okay
[23:37] <ericus> it's all a matter of getting the most hours out of my battery life
[23:37] <KM0201> understandable
[23:37] <ericus> battery time
[23:37] <jbicha> if any of those actually affect your battery life, please open a bug
[23:37] <ericus> maybe, how would I say that?
[23:38] <ericus> jbicha: I believe you. I will try the 12.04 and RC6 and see how that works out for me
[23:41] <ericus> I'll guess I'll have to give Unity a shot :C
[23:42] <ericus> I'll go for 12.04 and the daily build
[23:42] <KM0201> ruh roh
[23:43] <ericus> ?
[23:44] <ericus> /win 6
[23:44] <ericus> oops
[23:52] <nardey> I can not install pdf printer on ubuntu 12
[23:55] <nardey> does not enable to add a printer. have reinstalled several times the cups-pdf and nothing appears. is disabled "Add Printer"
[23:59] <jbicha> nardey: printing to pdf is enabled by default, just click Print and choose "Print to File"
[23:59] <jbicha> no need to install cups-pdf


[00:10] <mup> PR snapcraft#4036 closed: tests: ensure coverage is set per tox env <Created by lengau> <Closed by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4036>
[05:15] <mup> PR snapcraft#4037 opened: repo: Migrate to craft-archives <Created by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4037>
[09:13] <sarakusha> Hi there! i need help please. I can't up a vpn connection using network-manager cli on Ubuntu Core device. I created a new connection by importing a ovpn config file, but when I try to up the connection, I get the message "Error: Connection activation failed: The VPN service did not start in time". I used the instructions written by @degville [https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/configure-a-vpn/33333]
[09:22] <degville> sarakusha: I'll give those instructions a go on Monday with the latest network-manager snap to see if I run into similar issues.
[09:28] <sarakusha> degville: Thanks a lot
[10:20] <sarakusha> Returning to the topic of openvpn: /snap/network-manager/current/sbin/ does not contain  openvpn file
[10:29] <sarakusha> I apologize for the previous message,  wrong path


[06:11] <jamie12> anyone know how to enable numa when not on by default? I'm running a thread ripper 2950x on desktop because it's well... a desktop but it's technically epyc
[06:14] <lordievader> Does the thread ripper itself have multiple numa nodes, or do you have multiple installed in your machine?
[06:17] <lotus|NUC> jamie12: ^
[06:17] <jamie12> lordievader it's multidie
[06:19] <lordievader> jamie12: https://serverfault.com/questions/877018/ryzen-threadripper-cpu-does-not-report-multiple-numa-nodes
[06:21] <jamie12> I might have found the solution... Asus removed it from BIOS and only changable in ryzen master
[06:22] <jamie12> ugh booting Windows and enabling it to see what happens
[06:27] <jamie1> lordievader: so.... you need windows to enable numa XD
[06:28] <lordievader> Interesting.
[06:29] <jamie1> lordievader: basically amd asked asus to remove the bios setting so people would use ryzen master utility to enable or dissable it
[06:30] <lordievader> And there is no similar utility on Linux, I suppose?
[06:30] <jamie1> no, sadly there isnt
[06:30] <lotus|NUC> or run that ulitity from wine?
[06:30] <jamie1> doesnt work that way, it needs access to core os due to os communication with uefi
[06:31] <lordievader> Someone tries that here, via wine: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5zaypz/any_word_on_a_linux_version_of_ryzen_master/?st=jnlcp0te&sh=ab9426a0
[06:32] <jamie1> also the main reason is most of the sensors dont even work on linux yet for x399
[06:32] <jamie1> so that would be needed even start with
[06:32] <lotus|NUC> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-overclock-your-amd-ryzen-cpu-on-linux
[06:33] <jamie1> after that we may see ryzen master on linux but that is still questionable due to oems never like to help linux
[06:37] <lotus|NUC> also interesting jamie1 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/commit/?id=051f3ca02e46432c0965e8948f00c07d8a2f09c0
[06:39] <lotus|NUC> !info numactl | jamie1
[06:45] <jamie1> lotus|NUC: thats what i use to make sure numa is running right
[10:40] <BlackDex> hello there
[10:41] <BlackDex> i'm having some issues with lvm
[10:41] <BlackDex> getting the message that "Device /dev/sdb1 not found (or ignored by filtering)."
[10:41] <BlackDex> there is no filter
[10:42] <BlackDex> the disk is an RAID-1 of 2 SSD's
[10:42] <BlackDex> i can partition the disk without any issues
[10:42] <BlackDex> lsblk shows that the partition is there
[10:42] <BlackDex> but the strange thing is that it also shows something called mpath
[10:42] <BlackDex> i don't know if that is something wich is causes issues here.
[10:43] <BlackDex> Someone have an idea?
[10:43] <BlackDex> disks are wiped with dd, but beginning and ending of the disks.
[10:43] <BlackDex> s/but/both/
[11:54] <lordievader> BlackDex: What is the output of `sudo pvscan`?
[12:02] <ahasenack> good morning
[12:18] <rbasak> ahasenack: what would you like me to do about this build-source regression?
[12:18] <rbasak> I can revert the MP that broke it.
[12:18] <rbasak> Or if you want to try to tackle the implementation of -S within the build command and remove build-source, I'd be happy with that too.
[12:18] <rbasak> Or I can leave it for now for someone to fix later?
[12:19] <ahasenack> well, I use build-source extensively, and that broke my workflow
[12:19] <ahasenack> maybe wait to see if smoser has an insight later today?
[12:19] <ahasenack> if not, I'd revert it
[12:19] <ahasenack> unless that would reintroduce a bug that is more serious
[12:23] <rbasak> OK. I'll revert after smoser has a chance to respond - unless he has an alternate plan.
[14:32] <elfranne> anyone know a modern apt repo (create your own repo) ? the ones i can find are unmaintained ...
[14:39] <avu> elfranne: reprepro still seems to be active
[14:54] <elfranne> this is what i was looking for: https://www.aptly.info/ found it months ago but forgot the name
[14:55] <elfranne> but thanks avu
[19:40] <joakim_> Hi got a issue with my ubuntu/netplan, the problem is that after i restarted the (remotely ovh hosted) server all my ip configs disappered when i try to do any netplan command i get that "netplan: fatal error: cannot bind to port 2983, is another daemon running?, exiting." same issue is descriped here https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2400673 but no answers, how do i debug this?
[19:42] <sarnold> joakim_: you've probably confused the netplan calendaring tool with netplan the network configuration tool
[19:42] <sarnold> joakim_: install netplan.io not netplan
[19:42] <joakim_> sarnold thx, but could you please explain that a bit more?......   ah thx :)
[19:44] <sarnold> joakim_: when netplan.io was named we forget to check if the name was already used...
[19:44] <sarnold> (not the first time :)
[19:44] <sarnold> joakim_: apt-get install netplan.io netplan-   should probably get you most of the way to a fix
[19:45] <joakim_> sarnold :/ that what happens i'll try, but what i wundering about is why have it been working for month and then just stopped, i never installed netplan.io manually or remember removing it
[19:46] <sarnold> joakim_: hrm :(
[19:46] <sarnold> maybe my guess is wrong ..
[19:46] <sarnold> try the apt-get command and see what falls out
[19:46] <joakim_> and doint a apt search netplan.io dons't show it as installed on ubuntu 18.04
[19:46] <joakim_> (have 3 servers + 1 workstation
[19:48] <joakim_> sarnold however your suggestion worked
[19:48] <cyphermox> joakim_: so, OVH system that got deployed by them?
[19:49] <joakim_> cyphermox ?
[20:39] <cyphermox> you are doing this on a system in OVH, right?
[20:40] <cyphermox> was it deployed / installed by them or did you do it yourself?
[20:46] <tomreyn> joakim_: ^
[21:15] <Epx998> cosmic was released? :D
[21:16] <tomreyn> good morning, nvidia.
[21:16] <Epx998> buh
[21:17] <tomreyn> < not affiliated with anything, i'm allowed to say this. :-P
[21:20] <Epx998> lol
[21:20] <Epx998> neh'veed'de'uh
[21:20] <Epx998> vmware not digging the display after network preseed on a netboot
[21:22] <tomreyn> on 18.10 server live installer?
[21:22] <Epx998> 18.10 server iso
[21:23] <tomreyn> which one?
[21:24] <Epx998> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/18.10/release/ubuntu-18.10-server-amd64.iso that one
[21:25] <Epx998> well no wait sorry im jumoing around
[21:25] <tomreyn> i think commonly mini.iso is used with pxe.
[21:26] <Epx998> i grabbed http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/cosmic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz - let me check md5sum to make sure i got the right one
[21:27] <Epx998> ill grab the ones off the mini iso too and see
[21:29] <Epx998> nope
[21:29] <Epx998> hmm
[21:35] <tomreyn> so netboot.tar.gz contains the kernel and initrd for booting. the pxe server would tell the booting 'client' where to load them from, using tftp. once those are loaded, the 'client' would load the installer files from the tftp server, too. what exactly that is depends on what you put on the tftp server.
[21:35] <tomreyn> usually somewhere below /var/lib/tftpboot
[21:37] <tomreyn> commonly, the /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default file on the tftp server would instruct the 'client' what to download (and then load the userspace) from where.
[21:38] <Epx998> i need the right kernel video= option - so far nothing is working past the network preseed
[21:39] <tomreyn> i'm not into vmware, so not sure.
[21:39] <Epx998> its trying different overrides until i get one that weorks
[21:44] <tomreyn> does 18.04 work with this setup? it should be pretty much the same.
[21:46] <tomreyn> vmware recommends to use vmxnet3 instead of e1000e virtual nics with 18.04 (they dont support 18.10 yet)
[21:48] <tomreyn> maybe the issue is that you have nvidia hardware passed through to this vm? their graphics card drivers are sadly proprietary and thus, for many years now, often don't work flawlessy and out of the box on linux.
[21:49] <Epx998> there are no gpu's in the chassis other that the onboard server chip
[21:50] <Epx998> Getting a kernel panic tho
[21:52] <tomreyn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_mode_setting#Forcing_modes discusses what can be used for video= (if you really need to)
[21:55] <tomreyn> vga=791 helped me boot 18.04 on virtualbox when they didn't support this version, yet. i didnt get a panic though, just a black screen.
[22:09] <Epx998> prob not even a video issue
[22:12] <Epx998> headache is its in a different DC, so I need to deploy cosmic to another DC to test baremetal
[22:25] <Epx998> ok its my kickstart'=
[22:28] <Epx998> or at least i thought it was
[22:44] <teward> RoyK: what're the chances my setting up netconsole will detect the panic and give me any kind of useful information?
[22:44] <teward> assuming, of cours,e you can edit the boot cmd of the live images to do that.
[23:00] <RoyK> teward: netconsole will probably tell the receiver end what the panic is all about, if there is one
[23:01] <RoyK> teward: did you try ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[23:03] <teward> RoyK: again, dies and goes nonresponsive at boot, will try again, if i can't get details i'll failover to netconsole, and if that fails too then I'll ahve to see if I can get the normal 18.04 system to boot then extract logs at the filesystme level from a 16.04 instance.
[23:04] <teward> 16.04 live desktop instance*
[23:05] <teward> RoyK: call trace looks like it dies at the kernel loading level long before it even starts the full boot process :|
[23:07] <sarnold> the last time I tried netconsole I didn't actually get anytthing useful out of it. if you're similarly unlucky, maybe the kernel crashdumps would be more productive. (I've never used those, but afaik we still have them :)
[23:07] <teward> sarnold: this assumes I can get them
[23:07] <teward> does the kernel always crashdump on panics?
[23:08] <sarnold> teward: excellent question :)
[23:10] <teward> RoyK: ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't seem to help :|
[23:10] <teward> because it's not even getting that far
[23:10] <teward> hmm, I wonder... *downloads an older 18.04 installer disk from his local mirror to test*
[23:10] <RoyK> teward: what about the "magic sysrq" stuff I posted?
[23:11] <RoyK> teward: just do-release-upgrade - it'll take you to 18.04
[23:11] <teward> didnt see it probably got eaten by my internet
[23:11] <teward> RoyK: um...
[23:11] <teward> it was 18.04
[23:11] <teward> to begin with
[23:11] <RoyK> I thought you wrot 16.04
[23:11] <teward> can't upgrade to what it already is :p
[23:11] <teward> RoyK: no, that's my fallback plan
[23:11] <RoyK> ok
[23:12] <teward> because that's my emergency recovery USB stick for my laptop that boots the desktop ISO with persistence and my recovery toolkuts
[23:12]  * RoyK uses debian when striving for stable systems
[23:12] <teward> ahah!
[23:12] <teward> the 4.15 kernels explodify here
[23:12] <teward> but not the 4.13 that was 'older'
[23:12] <teward> iiiinteresting
[23:13] <teward> NO IDEA how to debug that one.
[23:13] <teward> better question is why it's using 4.15 :|
[23:14] <teward> (this was an upgrade to a newer release so the old kernels must've been around)
[23:14] <RoyK> no idea - try to use another kernel, hten
[23:14] <RoyK> *then*