[02:18] <balloons> smartboyhw, !?!
[02:18] <smartboyhw> balloons: Finished exam, hi!
[02:19] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, \o
[02:19] <smartboyhw> Hey SergioMeneses
[02:19] <balloons> wonderful.. welcome back!
[02:19] <smartboyhw> Seems like I lost yesterday's hackfest eh?
[02:21] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, hi! how's everything?
[02:21] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, yes, you did
[02:22] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses: Meh
[02:42] <balloons> smartboyhw, I'm off for the evening, but you can still hack my friend
[02:42] <balloons> I hope everything is going well with you.. Jackson has been missing you :-)
[02:43] <balloons> good night
[02:43] <smartboyhw> balloons: lol at Noskcaj. GN.
[02:53] <SergioMeneses> jajaja
[04:04] <pitti> Good morning
[06:14] <Noskcaj> good afternoon elfy
[06:15] <elfy> hi Noskcaj
[06:24] <Noskcaj> elfy, FYI: The manual testcase format has changed slightly. it's now worded
This happens

[06:25] <elfy> I know
[06:25] <Noskcaj> just checking
[13:06] <smartboyhw> wb SergioMeneses
[13:07] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, hi! Im arriving at office jeje
[13:07] <SergioMeneses> and what about you smartboyhw ?
[13:10] <elfy> hi SergioMeneses
[13:14] <SergioMeneses> elfy, hi
[13:20] <elfy> SergioMeneses: I've almost finished the thunar test - got a couple of little ones to do - do you want some help with the gnumeric one? if you do - you got some idea of how we can work on the same thing?
[13:21] <elfy> or at least close enough to finish to let someone look ...
[13:22] <SergioMeneses> elfy, I spent these days working on Audaity testcase, if you want to help with Gumeric, I dont have any problem ;) feel free and I would give you a hand later... I expect to finish Audacity test this week
[13:22] <elfy> ok - so you've not actually started it yet?
[13:22] <elfy> just so I know :)
[13:23] <SergioMeneses> elfy, no I dont :S
[13:23] <elfy> ok - that's cool - didn't want to redo anything :)
[13:23] <SergioMeneses> lol
[13:24] <SergioMeneses> but elfy do you know audacity? I'll need some reviews later
[13:24] <elfy> I looked at it a while ago - but for specific reasons - I can look
[13:25] <elfy> that's something I need to talk to balloons about - perms to merge stuff
[13:32] <smartboyhw> elfy: What's your idea for the perms?
[13:34] <elfy> nothing to worry yourslef about smartboyhw
[13:44] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:46] <SergioMeneses> jaja
[14:08] <smartboyhw> elfy: I haven't written testcases for a long time, but aren't testcase names supposed to be set for every
 element?
[14:08] <elfy> who said that?
[14:08] <elfy> where does it say that even?
[14:09] <smartboyhw> elfy: In the testcases???
[14:09] <elfy> where?
[14:09] <elfy> where is that requirement documented?
[14:11] <smartboyhw> elfy: I dunno, but it is just as usual, like in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/view/head:/testcases/packages/1422_Gnome%20Terminal%20Tests
[14:11] <elfy> meh
[14:11] <elfy> none that I've done have been like that and have all been merged
[14:12] <elfy> if it NEEDS to be like that then it should be documented as such and not left to people to guess
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Hmm, balloons needs to set the standard…
[14:13] <elfy> and to be frank - the chances of me even looking at an ubuntu testcase are pretty much zero ;)
[14:13] <smartboyhw> ROFL
[14:13] <smartboyhw> True
[14:14] <smartboyhw> phillw: Any ideas? ^
[14:14] <elfy> I have no interest in them at all at the moment - there are at the moment, 32 ones that affect Xubuntu - guess which I'll look at :)
[14:41] <balloons> smartboyhw_, elfy most of those testcase names you see are from the old style testcases
[14:42] <balloons> and yes many new cases have been merged with them, but so have many been merged without :-) It's not a requirement at this point
[14:42] <smartboyhw_> balloons: ACK sure;)
[14:45] <elfy> balloons: when you've got 10 minutes can you ping me in PM - no rush, I assume you're filling up with caffeine ...
[14:47] <smartboyhw_> balloons: How did Noskcaj think when many people criticized his mod? (I like it)
[14:49] <SergioMeneses> elfy, I saw the change on the bug! thanks for helping ;)
[14:49] <elfy> that's ok - thought if I assigned me I'd get on and do it :D
[14:50] <SergioMeneses> elfy, perfect
[14:50] <elfy> SergioMeneses: how much detail did you anticipate for the test ?
[14:50] <elfy> I tend to overdo it perhaps :)
[14:50] <SergioMeneses> elfy, all application
[14:51] <SergioMeneses> do you work only on parts?
[14:51] <elfy> no - I'd be going through every menu item
[14:51] <balloons> smartboyhw_, I'm not sure I was gone when it happened also
[14:52] <smartboyhw_> balloons: Eh…
[14:52] <SergioMeneses> elfy, but it depends, now Audacity has a big interface so Im working on all
[14:52] <smartboyhw_> Well, at least Noskcaj got on to OMG!Ubuntu faster than most of us here…
[14:53] <elfy> SergioMeneses: yep understood
[14:53] <smartboyhw_> balloons: You should sponsor him a bit;P
[14:53] <elfy> smartboyhw_: if I ever get on OMGwtf I will be gone
[14:53] <SergioMeneses> elfy, ;) these weekend audacity testcase will be available  :)
[14:53] <smartboyhw_> elfy: LOL
[14:53] <elfy> ok - well weekend I'm in and out - but next week I'm not working till Thursday
[14:56] <smartboyhw_> elfy: Speaking about that, jcastro wanted to reinvent the Forums, what will you guys do?
[14:56] <elfy> you just don't stop do you
[14:56] <elfy> this is the ubuntu quality channel
[14:58] <balloons> lol, I thin k smartboyhw_ is pretty bottled up elfy being gone so long
[14:58] <balloons> play nice in the quality sandbox smartboyhw_ :-)
[14:59] <elfy> lol
[14:59] <smartboyhw_> …
[14:59] <balloons> smartboyhw_, I'm only teasing you!
[14:59]  * smartboyhw_ kicks balloons in his butt.
[14:59] <balloons> I am so glad your back again
[14:59] <balloons> but yes, things change fast around here don't they?
[14:59] <smartboyhw_> balloons: Yep
[15:29] <sir`oGosh> sosen, mache mich vom acker, wünsche n schoenes we :]
[15:37] <elfy> balloons: he he he - so release schedule has been changed - so cadence schedule is now wrong :p
[15:37] <balloons> elfy, I figured
[15:37] <balloons> I didn't get a notice it changed
[15:38] <elfy> I just got one
[15:38] <balloons> it's been updated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[15:38] <elfy> yep
[15:39] <balloons> I'm going to juggle our schedule now
[15:40] <elfy> good luck
[15:40] <balloons> but regardless need to get things setup for next week
[15:40] <elfy> yea
[15:48] <smartboyhw_> balloons: What will the cadence week include?
[15:48] <balloons> smartboyhw_, everything, remember?
[15:49] <smartboyhw_> balloons: Ah yeah:P
[15:49] <balloons> I'm going to add all the default ubuntu apps.. then folks like elfy can put out stuff for xubuntu default as well, and so on
[15:49] <smartboyhw_> phillw: So both alphas for you guys now?
[15:49] <balloons> phillw, can add lubuntu
[17:03] <SergioMeneses> lunch time... see ya
[17:03] <balloons> enjoy SergioMeneses
[17:52] <elopio> balloons: my test case https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix1188732-test_open_directory/+merge/169340
[17:53] <balloons> elopio, cool.. everything worked out then?
[17:53] <elopio> balloons: yes. On saucy I can inspect the tree
[17:53] <elopio> and with your change on the emulator, now I can click the button.
[17:54] <balloons> elopio, heh.. imagine that.
[17:54] <balloons> so something is broken on raring.. did we get a bug filed for it, or could no-one else confirm on raring it was an issue?
[17:55] <elopio> balloons: I think I'm the only one running raring :)
[17:55] <elopio> I can fire up a vm and try to reproduce it there.
[17:55] <balloons> yea.. I just don't want it to slide under the radar as a potential bug
[18:05] <elfy> balloons: while I'm reminded, when I boot I get this " systemd-udevd[337]: NAME="autopilot-uinput" ignored, kernel device nodes can not be renamed; please fix it in /lib/udev/rules.d/61-autopilot-uinput.rules:2"
[18:05] <elfy> not done anything about it other than put the kettle on when I reboot
[18:05] <balloons> elfy, yes than that's a known issue
[18:05] <balloons> let me find it.. won't hurt anything :-)
[18:06] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1188824
[18:38] <elfy> balloons: ok - thanks :)
[19:29] <balloons> hey Noskcaj
[19:29] <Noskcaj> hello balloons
[19:29] <Noskcaj> you have merges waiting
[19:29] <balloons> I know it! I'm trying to get cadence week setup done
[19:30] <Noskcaj> balloons, that could be difficult
[19:31] <balloons> Noskcaj, what do you mean?
[19:32] <Noskcaj> don't you have to update a heap of wiki pages too, or is it just send an email?
[19:34] <Noskcaj> also, you have a new tester email
[19:34] <balloons> Noskcaj, heap of wiki pages?
[19:34] <balloons> ohh.. right, yea all those, heh.. under the new system we won't need a wiki page for each week
[19:35] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:38] <Skini151> Hi all
[20:39] <Skini151> i have a question
[20:40] <Skini151> The cadence week 1 will start tommorow and i need to know can i test iso images with "test drive" or need to install on real machine?
[20:46] <samgabbay> hi guys i neeed to know if i would still  be able to test on lubuntu cause i have an oldlaptop
[20:46] <Skini151> write some specs
[20:46] <samgabbay> casue i wanna do iso and cadence weeek
[20:47] <samgabbay> can i just show you the hp link with computer specs?
[20:47] <balloons> Skini151, you can do cadence testing with just an iso if you wish
[20:48] <balloons> it's easier if you have a full install that your using (it can even be a VM) but you can test in a live session
[20:48] <samgabbay> like guys i love ubuntu trust me its like my lvoe
[20:48] <samgabbay> but my unity is SLOWWWW
[20:48] <samgabbay> here are my specs
[20:48] <samgabbay> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&docname=c02618765
[20:48] <balloons> samgabbay, you can test on any flavor you wish :-)
[20:48] <samgabbay> YAY
[20:48] <samgabbay> but tell me
[20:48] <balloons> it's rare for a bug to only affect a flavor, but it does happen
[20:49] <samgabbay> can i get like unity 2d
[20:49] <samgabbay> cause lookk at my specs
[20:49] <samgabbay> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&docname=c02618765
[20:49] <balloons> 12.04 was the last unity 2d
[20:49] <samgabbay> ik
[20:50] <samgabbay> but can i have it on 13.04
[20:50] <samgabbay> cause i wanna keep ubuntu
[20:50] <balloons> sadly no
[20:50] <samgabbay> but just cause i have a really old low spec poop pc
[20:50] <samgabbay> and my school pc is with windows 7 and UBUNTU CERTIFIED
[20:50] <samgabbay> but i wanna keep this bud running i just want it to go faster
[20:50] <samgabbay> can you take a look?
[20:50] <samgabbay> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&docname=c02618765
[20:51] <samgabbay> balloons, ..
[20:51] <Skini151> i install lubuntu on netbook with old processor with only 1.0 GHZ and 512 Ram with only 4 GB hard drive and it works good
[20:51] <samgabbay> Skini151, but did you try testing and all?
[20:52] <Skini151> you can do live session test
[20:52] <samgabbay> how do i do that
[20:52] <samgabbay> like what i mean is for cadence
[20:52] <samgabbay> and the future
[20:52] <balloons> samgabbay, Skini151 let me link you to the tutorial
[20:52] <Skini151> ok
[20:52] <samgabbay> sweeet
[20:52] <samgabbay> :)
[20:52] <samgabbay> thank you soo much guys
[20:52] <Skini151> you the BOSS
[20:52] <samgabbay> i cant wait FOR CADENCE
[20:53] <samgabbay> seperatly il put ubuntu alongside
[20:53] <samgabbay> on a vbox
[20:53] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cadence/Walkthrough
[20:53] <samgabbay> just like my xp
[20:53] <samgabbay> so that i still have my best friend
[20:53] <balloons> it explains how to do it with an installed version or a livecd
[20:53] <samgabbay> <3 ubuntu <3
[20:53] <samgabbay> wait
[20:53] <samgabbay> any of you guys not running ubuntu like another distro?
[20:54] <elfy> yes
[20:54] <samgabbay> whhat are you running?
[20:54] <Skini151> only UBUNTU
[20:54] <samgabbay> lubuntu kubuntu ?
[20:54] <elfy> xubuntu
[20:54] <samgabbay> oh
[20:54] <samgabbay> and is it tha same?
[20:54] <samgabbay> than ubuntu
[20:54] <elfy> nope
[20:55] <samgabbay> oh
[20:55] <samgabbay> 0.o
[20:55] <elfy> uses xfce
[20:55] <samgabbay> what does it do?
[20:55] <elfy> ?
[20:55] <Skini151> Another desktop environment
[20:55] <Skini151> wait a sec
[20:56] <samgabbay> huh
[20:56] <samgabbay> rofl
[20:56] <elfy> Skini151: not just that - uses some different apps
[20:56] <Skini151> read this for more info
[20:56] <Skini151> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment
[20:56] <Skini151> by default yes
[20:56] <samgabbay> is there software center?
[20:56] <samgabbay> like guys
[20:56] <samgabbay> look
[20:56] <samgabbay> heres my issue
[20:56] <Skini151> but you can insyall another apps if you want
[20:56] <samgabbay> i love ubuntu but my pc is just old
[20:56] <samgabbay> and i badly wanna keep it fast and all
[20:57] <samgabbay> but first ati isint supported for mobility radeon:(
[20:57] <samgabbay> and yea
[20:57] <samgabbay> so i need you guys to tell me what i should use instead
[20:57] <elfy> balloons: thanks for your help with those perms - have a good weekend - I'm off now
[20:58] <samgabbay> any suggestions? (that will still let me test no matter :))
[20:58] <Skini151> use every flavour
[20:58] <Noskcaj> samgabbay, use xubuntu
[20:58] <Noskcaj> or lubuntu
[20:58] <samgabbay> whats faster?\
[20:58] <Noskcaj> balloons, you have more serges
[20:58] <samgabbay> xubuntu or lu
[20:58] <Skini151> and choose one that suite you more
[20:58] <Noskcaj> samgabbay, similar
[20:58] <samgabbay> so there both the same?
[20:58] <elfy> !enter | samgabbay
[20:59] <samgabbay> !bot what the f***
[20:59] <Skini151> they use low memory than other
[20:59] <elfy> samgabbay: xubuntu won't be doing cadence week 1
[20:59] <Noskcaj> balloons, *merges
[20:59] <samgabbay> Skini151, witch one do you recommend mostly for cadence and all
[20:59] <samgabbay> elfy,  oh like if i have to test do i put it on a vm?
[20:59] <balloons> yes lubuntu and xubuntu are both good choices to run if you need a low-memory machine
[20:59] <Noskcaj> samgabbay, if you're running VMs in it, either.
[20:59] <balloons> the only testing you can't do is on unity
[21:00] <balloons> you can install and run all the other apps and test them just fine
[21:00] <samgabbay> balloons, i ussually just do like iso testing
[21:00] <samgabbay> mostly
[21:00] <elfy> why are you fixating on cadence - testing needs to go on between now and release :)
[21:00] <samgabbay> and ask ubuntu assistance
[21:00] <samgabbay> cause i love CADENCE <3
[21:00] <elfy> xubuntu always needs testers
[21:00] <elfy> right - well I tend not to love things that I can't actually touch ;)
[21:00] <elfy> anyway - night all
[21:00] <Noskcaj> g'night elfy
[21:00] <Skini151> Good night
[21:01] <samgabbay> ROFL
[21:01] <balloons> night!
[21:01] <samgabbay> meh i just want a faster linux ubuntu distro
[21:01] <Noskcaj> samgabbay, calm down, install xubuntu and then run tests in a VM
[21:01] <samgabbay> nosk
[21:01] <Noskcaj> mostly the calm down bit
[21:01] <samgabbay> alright
[21:01] <Noskcaj> :)
[21:01] <samgabbay> im sorry
[21:01] <samgabbay> loook i feeel in pure love with ubuntu i use it 24/7 i answer question i install it on other machines im literally adicted
[21:02] <samgabbay> no joek
[21:02] <Noskcaj> lol
[21:02] <balloons> no worries, no worries.. :-)
[21:02] <samgabbay> i just love it and im gonna cry if i leave ubuntu
[21:02] <samgabbay> :(
[21:02] <samgabbay> not cry but you see
[21:02] <samgabbay> hurt feeelings rofl its my new windows
[21:03] <Noskcaj> just try xubuntu
[21:04] <Noskcaj> i have to go, my parents don't want me on the PC
[21:04] <elfy> night Noskcaj
[21:04] <Skini151> lol
[21:04] <Skini151> G N!
[21:04] <balloons> enjoy your weekend Noskcaj
[21:05] <Noskcaj> balloons, will do, i'll have a big update for my case mod today, watch planet.ubuntu
[21:06] <balloons> Noskcaj, excellent! I like your style on cases
[21:06] <Noskcaj> :)
[21:06] <Noskcaj> far too many people though that the sketchup was my final plan
[21:07] <balloons> yea, that's ok.. when you finish it completely you'll have to get that post published round
[21:07] <Skini151> what post?
[21:08] <Skini151> give me link
[21:08] <Noskcaj> Skini151, noskcaj10.wordpress.com
[21:09] <Skini151> nice blog
[21:09] <samgabbay> btw guys do i have to remove ubuntu or can i have just the xubuntu-desktop package installed
[21:10] <Noskcaj> samgabbay, take your pick, you can also dual-boot them
[21:10] <Skini151> ohh i understand
[21:10] <Skini151> the case
[21:10] <Skini151> cool
[21:10] <balloons> samgabbay, just add xubuntu-desktop if your ok with having both
[21:10] <balloons> you can then boot into etheir one
[21:10] <Noskcaj> Skini151, thanks. i'll make a poll to choose what case i mod later today
[21:10] <samgabbay> i wouldnt mind but will it be same speed??
[21:11] <Skini151> it will be a cool thing if case change color
[21:11] <Noskcaj> samgabbay, pretty much
[21:11] <balloons> shouldn't have any real effect on performance
[21:11] <Noskcaj> Skini151, i might use RGB LEDs
[21:11] <samgabbay> balloons, alright sweet il get to it
[21:13] <Skini151> Noskcaj, i can say just GOOD LUCK , if i can support you somehow just say
[21:13] <elopio> balloons: I think I have something nice with the emulator
[21:13] <elopio> let me upload it.
[21:14] <balloons> elopio, ohh..
[21:14]  * balloons waits!
[21:14] <Noskcaj> Skini151, i wanted to get a crowdfunding thing, but being 14 made problems
[21:14] <samgabbay> alright guys i got one last question would i be able to acess my ubuntu files on xubuntu
[21:14] <elopio> balloons: https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-filemanager-app/ubuntusdk_emulator/+merge/169542
[21:15] <Skini151> Noskcaj, find a tutor
[21:15] <Noskcaj> samgabbay, yes
[21:15] <Noskcaj> Skini151, what do you mean?
[21:15] <samgabbay> swwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
[21:15] <elopio> balloons: let me know what do you think. And you can also hate it, don't worry :)
[21:15] <Noskcaj> samgabbay, think of xubuntu as a re-skinned ubuntu
[21:15] <samgabbay> SWEET omg
[21:15] <samgabbay> :)
[21:15] <samgabbay> cant wait
[21:16] <Noskcaj> samgabbay, remember you can test whenever, not just candence
[21:16] <samgabbay> ik
[21:16] <samgabbay> i test iso
[21:16] <samgabbay> dont worrry
[21:16] <samgabbay> i do tuns
[21:16] <samgabbay> :P
[21:16] <samgabbay> and mostly answer on  askubuntu
[21:17] <Noskcaj> !enter | samgabbay
[21:17] <samgabbay> !ubot u mind?
[21:17] <samgabbay> :P
[21:17] <Noskcaj> *facepalm*
[21:17] <Noskcaj> !botsnack
[21:18] <samgabbay> !ubot5 OH HELL NO
[21:18] <balloons> it scrolls the conversation and makes it very hard to read.
[21:18] <samgabbay> dont start with me bot -_-
[21:18] <Noskcaj> samgabbay, stop arguing with the bot. also, you seem to be trying very hard to prove that age doesn't equal maturity (i'm younger than you)
[21:19]  * Noskcaj needs food, will be back soon
[21:19] <samgabbay> how old are ya? and im a fun person too man
[21:20] <Skini151> samgabbay use ","  instead of "Enter"
[21:20] <samgabbay> ,
[21:20]  * Noskcaj facepalms again
[21:20] <Noskcaj> samgabbay, 14
[21:21] <samgabbay> ok?, im just a fun person  too man i joke around just chill :)
[21:21] <samgabbay> Guys, im done installing the desktop packedge do i reboot|?
[21:21] <Skini151> Noskcaj, you use test drive or install iso images on actual machine
[21:22] <samgabbay> i guess its a yes alright guys be right back
[21:22] <Skini151> ok
[21:23] <Noskcaj> Skini151, you can
[21:23] <Noskcaj> oops
[21:23] <Skini151> :)
[21:24] <Noskcaj> i read the question wrong. i don't have any real hardware i can test on, i use testdrive
[21:24] <Noskcaj> i used to have a ibook as well, but it broke
[21:26] <Skini151> Noskcaj,will be the results on VM  the same in real machine
[21:26] <samgabbay> guys
[21:26] <Noskcaj> Skini151, most of the time
[21:26] <samgabbay> oops
[21:26] <Noskcaj> samgabbay, yeah?
[21:26] <samgabbay> Now, i keep getting crash issues
[21:26] <Noskcaj> samgabbay, report lots of bugs, that's our job
[21:27] <Skini151> yep
[21:27] <samgabbay> like i just got xubuntu it says jockey-common 0.9.7-0ubuntu13
[21:27] <samgabbay> and another one
[21:27] <samgabbay> oh my goodness
[21:27] <Skini151> jockey is tool that install aditional drivers
[21:28] <samgabbay> Everytime i click cancel the pop up comes back
[21:28] <samgabbay> it stopped
[21:29] <Skini151>  you're testing now>?
[21:29] <samgabbay> no installing xubuntu=done
[21:30] <Skini151> read some forums if you have problems or try google, or askubuntu if you have some bugs
[21:31] <samgabbay> dude i think i know why im getting crash, due to ubuntu packedges
[21:31] <Skini151> ?
[21:31] <samgabbay> yea cause i have java and all
[21:31] <samgabbay> so its probably porting them
[21:33] <Skini151> ok , i i'm off
[21:33] <Skini151> G.night!
[21:33] <samgabbay> baii
[21:34] <samgabbay> same
[21:34] <samgabbay> baiiii
[21:40] <balloons> elopio, I kept waiting and waiting lol
[21:40] <balloons> I see your message now above
[21:40] <elopio> balloons: :)
[21:41] <balloons> nice.. but you dropped a few functions
[21:42] <balloons> ohh yes maindWindow looks better
[21:42] <balloons> i would really like to cleanup __init__.py a bit more
[21:42] <balloons> moving more of that out somehow
[21:44] <elopio> balloons: I just wanted to show it to you, so I stripped all the things I can't test here.
[21:44] <balloons> elopio, so yea overall I think it's an improvemtn
[21:44] <balloons> you combined it up a bit nicer
[21:45] <elopio> balloons: it's not yet usable, because of bug #1191164
[21:45] <balloons> elopio, hmm..
[21:45] <elopio> I found a workaround for my case, but not a real solution. So we'll have to wait for thomi or veebers or somebody that understands about this.
[21:46] <balloons> right that makes sense.. I like the experimentation
[21:46] <Noskcaj10> balloons, If you have time, can you approve a few of my manual tests
[21:46] <balloons> people are going to be able to take this further than I can
[21:46] <balloons> Noskcaj10, it will be tomorrow.. I'm finishing the cadence week 1 stuff
[21:46] <balloons> then I'll merge your new stuff.. I discovered a problem with my syncing, so i'm holding off
[21:47] <Noskcaj10> ok, hopefully howard will be back some time today. i found a problem with us helping testdrive tough
[21:48] <elopio> and that's all the autopilot I can do for this week, I'll switch context now.
[21:49] <elopio> see you next week qa community.
[21:51] <Noskcaj10> good bye elopio
[21:53] <balloons> enjoy your weekend elopio !


[02:19] <logical> Hi, is there a way to make mate panel look flat, something like xfce, i am not a fan of this bubble look :P, I prefer more material square look of windows and the top panel
[02:19] <logical> i tried googling but it didnt help me
[02:29] <Gallomimia> i got a problem with fullscreen games going minimize with alt-tab and coming back with the title bar and my top panel in the way. then it's 64 pixels too low
[02:29] <Gallomimia> 2 monitors. game on 2nd
[02:44] <logical> try alt+enter
[02:44] <logical> maybe that will push the game to fullscreen
[04:09] <Gallomimia> hm. can try
[06:10] <logical> anyone using foxit reader?
[06:12] <jeet> hello ??
[06:23] <jeet> wxm?\\
[14:40] <olscumpy> at whom is the MATE version of ubuntu targeted, compared to other ubuntu flavours?
[16:22] <ogtay> a
[16:39] <clint_> I just did an install.
[16:39] <clint_> My sound card does not work.  Which is the norm on Linux with my Toshiba Satellite.  Any help?
[16:47] <sixwheeledbeast> clint_: have you checked in sound settings?
[16:50] <clint_> Yes, it usually say head phones or dummy output.
[16:50] <clint_> Mate actually states "Built-in Audio Stero" Connector Headphones.
[16:51] <clint_> The headphones work, but it's really really quiet.
[16:51] <clint_> Windows works fine with realtek drivers, but linux seems to have an issue with them.  So far I like Mate.
[16:51] <sixwheeledbeast> What options in Hardware
[16:53] <clint_> Where do I find that?
[16:53] <clint_> Sound Preferences states "Built-in Audio 1 Output/2 Inputs Analog Stero Duplex
[16:54] <sixwheeledbeast> Hardware in Sound Prefs
[16:58] <clint_> Built-in Audio Analog Stereo.
[16:58] <clint_> Connector Headphones.
[17:02] <clint_> I'll be back, trying a reboot.'
[17:05] <sixwheeledbeast> surely connector should be speakers or line out?
[17:05] <clint_> still no sound. :(
[17:09] <pavlushka> clint_: you can try "sudo alsa force-reload"
[17:12] <allanViking> my thinkpad W541 Sierra Wireless 3G worked fine on the Ubuntu Mate livecd, but NetworkManager says "not enabled" and does not show any connections
[17:15] <clint_> did it, no change.  Do I need to reboot?
[17:15] <clint_> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-codec-generic snd-hda-codec-hdmi snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-hda-core snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-rawmidi snd-seq snd-seq-device snd-timer (failed: modules still loaded: snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-codec-generic snd-hda-codec-hdmi snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-hda-core snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-timer).
[17:15] <clint_> Loading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-codec-generic snd-hda-codec-hdmi snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-hda-core snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-rawmidi snd-seq snd-seq-device snd-timer.
[17:15] <clint_> That's what the output was after the command.
[17:18] <pavlushka> clint_: try to follow this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[17:25] <pavlushka> clint_: if you have any question/problem while/after following that link, you can ask :)
[17:27] <pavlushka> clint_: and use paste.ubuntu.com to paste your terminal output and give us that link next time :)
[17:33] <clint_> ok, will try it.
[19:33] <otakuserum> Aloha
[19:34] <otakuserum> i just installed ubuntu mate about 48 hours ago
[19:34] <otakuserum> i like how starbound just works right now lol
[20:23] <alkisg> allanViking, try sudo service network-manager restart
[20:24] <allanViking> alkisg: no joy, still says its not enabled. I even tried a restart
[20:25] <allanViking_> "enable mobile broadband" is checked
[20:25] <allanViking_> tried adding a new broadband connection, but it did not appear in the list
[20:28] <alkisg> allanViking, does the device show up in `ip l` ?
[20:30] <allanViking_> 2: enp0s25: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
[20:30] <allanViking_>     link/ether 54:ee:75:4e:c7:85 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[20:30] <allanViking_> 3: wlp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP mode DORMANT group default qlen 1000
[20:30] <allanViking_>     link/ether cc:3d:82:71:ac:28 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[20:30] <allanViking_> 5: wwp0s20u10: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,NOARP> mtu 1428 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
[20:30] <allanViking_>     link/ether 8a:fa:b9:20:dd:53 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[20:30] <allanViking_> im not sure which one it is
[20:30] <allanViking_> lsusb -t shows it as:
[20:31] <allanViking_> |__ Port 10: Dev 10, If 0, Class=Communications, Driver=cdc_mbim, 480M
[20:31] <allanViking_>     |__ Port 10: Dev 10, If 1, Class=CDC Data, Driver=cdc_mbim, 480M
[20:31] <allanViking_>     |__ Port 10: Dev 10, If 2, Class=Communications, Driver=cdc_acm, 480M
[20:31] <allanViking_>     |__ Port 10: Dev 10, If 3, Class=CDC Data, Driver=cdc_acm, 480M
[20:31] <alkisg> Better use pastebin in order to avoid filling the channel
[20:31] <alkisg> enp0s25 would be your wired connection
[20:32] <allanViking_> sorry bout tht
[20:32] <allanViking_> in my old 14.04 install it used to be wwan0 and wifi used to be wlan0,
[20:32] <alkisg> wlp3s0 your wifi, I assume you connect through that one now
[20:32] <allanViking_> yeah
[20:32] <alkisg> And wwp0s20u10 the 3g device
[20:33] <allanViking_> after a clean install I copied the /var/lib/NetworkManager and /etc/NetworkManager directories from my old install
[20:33] <alkisg> Btw, if you've connected with a wifi, I think the 3g connection isn't made to save data bandwidth
[20:33] <allanViking_> but right now I rebooted using the stock dirs from the 16.04 install
[20:33] <allanViking_> is this a new thing since 14.04 ?
[20:33] <alkisg> No idea, I've only tried a 3g dongle last week for the first time, in 16.04
[20:34] <allanViking_> disabling wifi did not help
[20:34] <allanViking_> I have an internal 4G card and antenna in my Thinkpad
[20:35] <allanViking_> its so weird that it worked perfectly fine on the Ubuntu Mate 16.04.1 livecd
[20:35] <alkisg> And the network manager menu doesn't list that device?
[20:36] <allanViking_> Mobile Broadband is greyed out and below it instead of my 3G connections it shows a greyed out: not enabled
[20:37] <alkisg> do you have anything other than "lo" in /etc/network/interfaces?
[20:37] <allanViking_> I tried hard restarting the device by cutting power to it with: echo '1-10' |tee /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/unbind
[20:37] <allanViking_> only these:
[20:37] <allanViking_> auto lo
[20:37] <allanViking_> iface lo inet loopback
[20:38] <alkisg> what happens if you run: sudo ifconfig wwp0s20u10 up
[20:39] <allanViking_> still greyed out
[20:39] <alkisg> sudo dhclient wwp0s20u10
[20:40] <allanViking_> blinking blank line, networkmanager still greyed out
[20:40] <alkisg> Ctrl+C
[20:40] <alkisg> Then: lspci -nn -k | egrep -iA2 'Ethernet|Wireless'
[20:41] <alkisg> The output of that one?
[20:41] <allanViking_> in 14.04 when I added a new 3G connection in NetworkManager, then in the first page after selecting Broadband connection it would show my device name in the dropdpown - right now its an empty dropdown with only an "any device" option
[20:41] <allanViking_> https://thepb.in/p/y8h6GzBX837cO
[20:41] <alkisg> I suppose you correctly restored the /etc and /var dirs, right?
[20:42] <allanViking_> I chowned everything with the right owners
[20:42] <allanViking_> but the network device names are different
[20:42] <alkisg> Hmm...
[20:42] <alkisg> I don't see drivers loaded there
[20:42] <alkisg> Can you run that same command, on a live cd?
[20:42] <alkisg> And see which driver is loaded for the 3g?
[20:43] <otakuserum> hi
[20:43] <allanViking_> alkisg: ok, going into reboot
[20:43] <alkisg> allanViking,
[20:43] <allanViking_> yes
[20:43] <alkisg> ...on second  thought, it's late for me so I'm going to head to bed...
[20:43] <allanViking_> what should I look for?
[20:44] <alkisg> but it may be useful for someone else trying to help you
[20:44] <alkisg> The basic idea is to check for differences between the live cd session and the hd installation
[20:44] <alkisg> I'm worried about those /etc and /var dirs though
[20:44] <allanViking_> I tried to grep for wlan0 and wwan0, but there were no matches
[20:45] <allanViking_> ./etc/networking is from the blank install
[20:45] <alkisg> The naming scheme changed recently, they tried to get most static names based on the bus, slot etc
[20:45] <alkisg> ...which sucks a bit... if I move my pci card it gets a different name...
[20:45] <alkisg> Anyway, time to go... bb!
[20:46] <allanViking_> thank you still :)
[22:56] <danny_> Why on earth does the Battery applet use 300mb of ram?
[23:19] <reptarius> hello
[23:43] <reptarius> what  are you doing guys?
[23:53] <danny_> reptarius, considering switching to windows
[23:57] <reptarius> i wish you happy fun


[00:11] <MarkDude> Who would I talk to in Cali Team to get some swag/media for upcoming FOSS event?
[00:14] <pleia2> you can just mention it here
[00:14] <pleia2> or email the list, all the right people are in both places :)
[00:48] <nhaines> Also, we're pretty much out of media for the rest of the cycle.
[01:42] <MarkDude> Ok, I can burn some media. I can follow up on ML. Also working on doing a few Creative Commons Salons. De Anza and Sudo Room Oakland. I hope a few folks might be able to go to those :)
[01:42] <MarkDude> Ty.
[01:47] <pleia2> the new release comes out in 2 weeks so we'll have dvds some time after that
[01:47] <pleia2> just let us know several (typically 6) weeks ahead so we can get materials, they ship from the UK
[01:47] <pleia2> I have some pins and pens
[02:01] <MarkDude> Way cool, the DeAnza event might be 7 weeks away, so we should have time. /me is working on new organized skills :D
[02:02] <MarkDude> Doing the math, if so I would need let folks know within a week :)


[00:26] <Squarc> uhhm, flootbot war?
[00:28] <Squarc> well anyway... I've this Kubuntu installation and everything works fine.. but when I go to tty1 (ctrl+alt+F1) I get all sorts of colors on my screen,, and (wierd) characters all over the screen, some of which are flashing/blinking.. and it lookes a lot like a BSOD screensave I have
[00:31] <Squarc> but it's not a BSOD.. or well. I am able to switch back to tty7 (KDE)... and everything works fine again
[00:32] <jesse2> Hello.  Does anyone know how i can group similar applications on my panel (for example, instead of having 3 entries for firefox, it just has one and i can click on that to show all 3)
[00:32] <jesse2> ?
[00:36] <pete_^> jesse2: the closest I think you can get would be putting them inside a quick access which points to a directory with the applications requested in
[00:36] <jesse2> what i mean is if im running 3 firefoxes
[00:37] <jesse2> instead of them each having their own entry on the task bar, can i have them grouped?
[00:38] <Dragnslcr> jesse2- right-click the task manager, go to settings, and change the grouping
[00:38] <pete_^> jesse2: it groups when it gets to a certain threshold of being filled, there is an option to make it always happen
[00:38] <pete_^> there we go
[00:38] <jesse2> thanks!
[00:39] <jacquesdupontd> hi guys
[00:39] <jacquesdupontd> i have an intel core i 7 and i would like to be able to disable some cpus to save some battery time
[00:40] <jacquesdupontd> in the energy manager the possiblity to disable some cpus is in grey but i remember we can install something to make it possible
[00:41] <jacquesdupontd> so nobody's having an idea ?
[00:57] <jacquesdupontd> in the energy manager the possiblity to disable some cpus is in grey but i remember we can install something to make it possible
[00:57] <jacquesdupontd> i have an intel core i 7 and i would like to be able to disable some cpus to save some battery time
[01:00] <robin0800> jacquesdupontd: and goggle says?
[01:02] <Guest98918> hello.  i installed kubuntu roughly an hour ago.  sound wouldnt work on youtube, so i went to my kmixer and realized it was muted (silly me).  i installed gnome and some other apps, went back to youtube and no sound.  so then i went back to the mixer and now it wont load
[01:05] <jacquesdupontd> robin0800, google says you've searched an already enough time to be able to ask an help channel, even if you try to ask 6 time before having an answer that is a question.
[01:21] <robin0800> jacquesdupontd: echo 0 >> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online
[01:31] <jesse2> hello.  im using ubuntu with both gnome and kde (currently in KDE).  for some reason i dont have sound when i try to watch movies on youtube (although i have sound with amarok and i can hear the chime when i log into kde/gnome)
[01:42] <ubtsrv> hi! is there any tutorial on how to write systemsettings (System Settings) module for KDE4 (Kubuntu 9.l0) ?
[01:46] <kawa> hi, is there any package of the project neon for kubuntu karmic? the kde wiki only talks about jaunty
[01:58] <edgarsvss> how can i install ubuntu in kubuntu using the ubuntu cd?
[02:00] <Guest27931> i just upgraded to 9.10 and when i try to login using KDE the screen goes black and takes me to the login screen ... but if i use gnome it works fine ... does anyone know what happened?
[02:02] <Guest27931> any help would be greatly appreciated
[02:02] <edgarsvss> should of fresh installed Guest27931
[02:04] <Guest27931> well for some reason the computer wont install with the 9.10 cd ... ive downloaded the iso twice and burned 4 cds and i get the same error about invalid something on sda1 ... so i used my 9.04 cd and upgraded
[02:07] <Guest27931> so i dont know what to do
[02:38] <jesse4> Hello.   I have no sound on firefox (ie  when visiting youtube).  does anyone know how to fix this?
[02:38] <jesse4> i have sound when i log into KDE (the chime) and when i use amarok
[02:38] <jesse4> i am using kubuntu-amd64
[02:39] <r4v3nsw0rd> is there a recommended flash application for kubuntu? I'm currently using adobe's flash player plugin for linux, but it flickers alot, what are some alternatives?
[02:39] <rstob911> jesse4: look at kmix and make sure the pcm is all the way up
[02:40] <jesse4> rstob911: they are.  when i initially installed (3 hours ago), that was the problem (they were not all the way up).  but then i installed gnome and some other apps, and my youtube is back to not working :(
[02:40] <jesse4> is this a common problem? do you have any docs or advice that i can troubleshoot?
[02:41] <jesse4> i might just reinstall
[02:43] <rstob911> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=83141  take a look here
[02:44] <jesse4> thanks, ill check that out
[02:44] <rstob911> jesse4: did you install pulse audio by any chance
[02:44] <luis_> hey goo night people i need some help i like to restore the user's view, i mean i have 3 accounts in my pc so everyone has their own privacy but on the kubuntu log in screen it use to appear all but now is just blank and now we have to type user and password can somebody tell me how to get back all the 3 icons and name for those user on the log in screen pls?
[02:45] <jesse4> rstob911: yes, i did.... should i uninstall it?
[02:45] <rstob911> read that article i think you will find your answer there
[02:46] <jesse4> rstob911: i uninstalled pulseaudio and it works.  thank you so much
[02:46] <jesse4> now i have 0 complaints about ubuntu :-D everything is working famously.
[02:46] <rstob911> lol
[02:47] <jesse4> have a great day! thanks again.  you've made my day.
[02:47] <jesse4> ive actually been on this channel for the last few hours periodically asking the same question
[02:48] <luis_> ubuntu works great but i like better kubuntu
[02:48] <luis_> i feel ubuntu heavier than kubuntu
[02:50] <luis_> xubuntu is liter but its like to.................. i don't know i just feel more limited with xubuntu despite the fact is faster than the others
[02:50] <luis_> and the fastest i have found is puppy
[02:51] <luis_> but there are some things that are hard to use on puppy, besides it is very limited on games
[03:07] <vashitn> gksu doesnt work on kubuntu is there another command that does the same thing
[03:13] <dtchen> kdesudo?
[03:24] <lazydragoon> i got a problem i try to do a audio chat in amsn but i install farsight2 and still tell me its not install someone got a answer ?
[03:25] <will__> this is a crazy question but, anyone know how to set ubuntu permanently in low graphics mode?
[03:30] <cheeko> guys i installed ubuntu 8.10 it seems to work fine
[03:30] <cheeko> but the later releases dont seem to work
[03:36] <lazydragoon> i got a problem i try to do a audio chat in amsn but i install farsight2 and still tell me its not install someone got a answer ?
[03:37] <r4v3nsw0rd> is there a build of skype for kubuntu? I've found various versions for ubuntu, but none that were specific to kubuntu...
[03:39] <cheeko> r4v3nsw0rd: if those work well in ubuntu then np shud be ther for u to install them in kubuntu
[03:39] <r4v3nsw0rd> ok, thanks
[03:50] <lazydragoon> ./configure: line 3650: /usr/lib/tkConfig.sh: No such file or directory
[03:50] <lazydragoon> why i got this error ?
[03:54] <kayve> is it possible for me to use atomic_dec_and_test(atomic_t* v) in a user program?
[04:15] <kayve> is it possible for me to use atomic_dec_and_test(atomic_t* v) in a user program?
[04:16] <cheeko> kayve: u can try ubuntu then no one probably know sa it in here
[04:18] <cheeko> #ubuntu or #xubuntu
[04:18] <cheeko> or may be ##windows :P
[04:23] <cheeko> por que
[04:33] <kayve> how can I chroot into my base system of Kubuntu that I fried by swapping HDs
[04:33] <kayve> I have no kubuntu gnome now
[04:34] <kayve> http://www.monkeyview.net/id/965/fsck/ubuntu_fix/index.vhtml
[04:35] <kayve> what is the partitioning scheme I have /dev/sdb2 is swap?  there are two partitions not sure where to mount them
[04:50] <njathan> i just upgraded to 9.10 (from 9.04) on my laptop (lenovo g550), and touchpad (mouse) stopped working (so did a few other things). Any ideas how to get the mouse in action again?
[04:51] <maco> any chance you're running the wrong kernel?
[04:51] <maco> uname -a
[04:52] <njathan> maco: i am running on 2.6.28-15, coz kubuntu refuses to boot (just gives a blank screen) with the latest kernel
[04:53] <maco> ugh. well, thats probably why your touchpad doesnt work
[04:53] <maco> and id guess its not refusing to boot, just X breakage
[04:53] <maco> if you install openssh-server i bet you can get into the machine after its booted to blank
[04:54] <njathan> maco: i never get to see the 'loading' bar.. and any subsequent screens
[04:55] <maco> try booting without "quiet splash" and see if itll show you an error
[04:57] <njathan> maco: i am trying that... but looks like it eventually goes to the splash after a certain stage in the boot process... i now have a blank black screen
[04:58] <njathan> maco: nor does CTRL-ALT-F1, CTRL-ALT-F2 etc work
[04:58] <maco> what graphics card?
[05:03] <njathan> maco: is there a linux way of finding out? i cannot find the papers which had it written :-P
[05:03] <maco> lspci
[05:05] <njathan> maco: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 series chipset
[05:05] <maco> mobile 4...
[05:05] <cheeko> helo maco
[05:05] <maco> it doesnt give a number, does it?
[05:05] <maco> like 965 or 945?
[05:08] <dtchen> mobile 4 has been supported since xserver-xorg-intel 2.4.0
[05:08] <njathan> Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 series chipset Integrated Graphics Controller #4 (rev 07)
[05:08] <njathan> maco: thats what the complete line reads like
[05:08] <njathan> maco: and similar for 'Host Bridge' and 'VGA Compatible Controller'
[05:09] <scunizi> njathan: is this a laptop or desktop?
[05:09] <njathan> maco: i am seeing this the older kernel i have booted from
[05:09] <njathan> scunizi: this is a lenovo g550 laptop
[05:10] <scunizi> njathan: k.. not sure if this wil help but do you know if it's using a gforce chipset?
[05:11] <maco> scunizi: intel graphics, not nvidia
[05:12] <scunizi> maco: do they ever combine intel graphics with a gforce motherboard chipset?  probably not.. no reason to
[05:12] <dtchen> geforce never has intel graphics
[05:12] <dtchen> it's an NVidia north and southbridge
[05:12] <scunizi> my bad
[05:13] <dtchen> (which means you get the joy of an NVidia audio controller, too. Ugh.)
[05:13] <dtchen> I'm only referring to geforce mobile, sorry.
[05:14] <scunizi> not sure if it applies to the intel boards or not.. but occationally there is a conflict in the pci buss that is solved (on my system) with a kernel boot option of pci=nomsi
[05:15] <dtchen> that's mostly resolved in newer amd chipsets
[05:15] <dtchen> there is no small part played by crappy bioses, too...
[05:16] <njathan> scunizi, maco: i have no way to find out the exact model number, as i only have a broken kubuntu on the laptop (the purchase papers? i searching...! )
[05:16] <scunizi> dtchen: my board is maybe a year old.. but it might be a bios thing.
[05:16] <maco> sudo lshw, maybe?
[05:19] <kayve> M7818u
[05:21] <maco> kayve: ???
[05:22] <njathan> maco: doesn't reveal much more for the 'VGA compatible controller' section
[05:22] <cheeko> ok mace now im relly gettig this errpr message
[05:23] <scunizi> is there a way to track the battery level on a laptop via cli?
[05:23] <maco> scunizi: acpi -b
[05:23] <scunizi> maco: thanks!
[05:24] <cheeko> maco: whenever i install ubuntu inside windows whaen i boot into ubuntu it says init too long an it freezes
[05:24] <njathan> maco: nevertheless is there a way to get the touchpad working in the older kernel that i have?
[05:24] <scunizi> maco: how accurate is it typically?
[05:25] <maco> scunizi: it can only estimate based on current power consumption. if it says 30 minutes and then you start up Folding @ Home and use 100% CPU and turn your backlight brightness up....well, that'll have an effect
[05:26] <scunizi> maco: if I detach screen and shutdown gdm then things will last longer?
[05:26] <maco> i think you just wanna look into general power save stuff
[05:27] <maco> dtchen tends to unload his sound drivers. we both unload networking drivers (wifi is VERY battery intensive), and i like to keep my backlight low
[05:27] <mfonda> I prefer to use nm-applet instead of knetworkmanager -- how can I make nm-applet start up by default instead of knetworkmanager?
[05:29] <scunizi> maco: understandable stuff.. I was thinking that running from terminal with the desktop shutdown should also save some cycles and power
[05:29] <maco> yep yep
[05:29] <njathan> is there a way to downgrade from 9.10 to 9.04?
[05:29] <scunizi> njathan: reinstall
[05:29] <maco> mfonda: in system settings there's an autostart section
[05:31] <njathan> scunizi: i dont want to lose all my data, as i have just one '/' partition :-(
[05:32] <scunizi> njathan: if it's big enough you can create a seperate partition, copy your stuff to it and use it for /home on the reinstall.. that is unless you also have lots of configs in /var /bin etc for web server mysql etc.
[05:33] <maco> njathan: it doesnt delete /home
[05:34] <maco> njathan: if you choose manual partition instead of guided then choose the same partition
[05:34] <maco> then choose the same filesystem type (ext3, im guessing?) and choose to NOT format
[05:34] <maco> itll save your /home
[05:35] <maco> without having a separate partition
[06:20] <[SilverFox]> Anyone here have a 4890?
[07:45] <shiran> aaa
[08:11] <renato> if I have an ubuntu system that act as my DNS, static definitions, defined  on hosts file of that server, should be visible from systems using that DNS, right?
[08:19] <torgny_j> hey, any updates regarding backports of kde4.4 beta to karmic?
[08:21] <maco> in progress. /topic will tell you when its done
[08:21] <torgny_j> maco: k, thanks
[08:21] <||arifaX> hi, I am installing karmic. what are the differences between the options * use password to logon and * use password and decrypt... (the rest is unreadable). I manually partitioned and if possible don't want encryption
[08:27] <||arifaX> no one?
[08:29] <maco> if you choose "use password to login" it means you go to a login screen
[08:29] <maco> not automatic login
[08:29] <||arifaX> maco thats clear
[08:29] <maco> if you choose "use password and decrypt home directory" that means you have encryption
[08:29] <maco> so go with "use password"
[08:29] <||arifaX> if I do only choose use password to logon, then I have no encryption? - thats what I want since I had a lot of ecryptfs errors on my other machine
[08:30] <maco> thats right
[08:30] <||arifaX> thanks
[08:30] <maco> no problem
[08:30] <||arifaX> btw some of the setup gui steps are not very well and complete readable (in german)
[08:31] <maco> can you fix the translations in launchpad.net/ubuntu ?
[08:31] <||arifaX> maco: I think it is well translated but the strings are to long to display I think
[08:32] <maco> oh ugh. file a bug on ubiquity please
[08:32] <||arifaX> I can only explain it, but have no shots
[08:34] <||arifaX> I have a launchpad account so where do I have to jump for a quick message on that?
[08:41] <||arifaX> maco its already done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/462993
[08:41] <maco> oh. alright then
[08:41] <maco> why is the bot not telling info...
[08:42] <maco> ok well its already triaged so i guess roman'll fix it in lucid
[08:47] <||arifaX> maco: is there a way to specify a proxy server during setup for updates etc?
[08:47] <maco> put something like this
[08:47] <amichair> is there a cli command to logoff kde?
[08:47] <maco> $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy
[08:47] <maco> /Acquire::http { Proxy "http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3142"; };
[08:47] <maco> er get rid of the / on the Acquire line
[08:48] <maco> amichair: umm you could restart kdm but if anyone else is logged in, theyll be logged out too
[08:48] <amichair> maco: is that a 'no'? :-P
[08:49] <maco> amichair: if youre the only person logged in, you can do "sudo service kdm restart"
[08:49] <||arifaX> maco: I see, so open a terminal and do this quickly. Thanks
[08:49] <maco> if others are logged in, thatd be mean though
[08:49] <maco> ||arifaX: i had it spit out the contents of my file. youd want to create that file and put something similar in, but with the right proxy info
[08:49] <amichair> maco: I realize that... so there's no actual logoff command?
[08:49] <maco> there probably is, but i dont know it
[08:50] <maco> itd involve speaking dbus a bit
[08:50] <amichair> maco: ok... thanks :-)
[08:50] <maco> i think ive done it before, but i dont remember how
[08:57] <||arifaX> anyone did a yubikey logon on karmic?
[09:31] <dessa> hi
[09:40] <Kolia> !ipod
[09:44] <Segregation> Hello and good morning people. I have 2 questions regarding firefox and behavior. First off: Everytime i open a downloaded file through the download window in firefox it automaticly opens up a dolphin window aswell. I would like to modify this behavior so that it only opens up the file. anyone got an idea ?
[09:44] <Segregation> second question is: when i try to install a package from playdeb i get the message: Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (apt) isn't associated with any program. anyone able to help me crack the nut ?
[09:45] <Segregation> i have installed apturl
[09:45] <maco> is a bug
[09:45] <Segregation> k
[09:45] <maco> i think you need to go to edit -> preferences
[09:45] <maco> applications
[09:45] <maco> and set gdebi to handle it
[09:45] <Segregation> thanks. ill give it a go.-
[09:45] <maco> if i had to guess, that is
[09:46] <Segregation> what about my first question. any idea?
[09:46] <maco> probably same place
[09:47] <Segregation> think thats where i chose dolphin to handle the files. was that wrong ?
[09:47] <maco> i would guess if you make it not use dolphin then dolphin wont open...
[09:48] <Segregation> but then I will get a message from firefox telling me there is no filehandler set to handle my request when i try to open a file from the download window in firefox
[09:50] <Segregation> ok thanks. My first problem is solved
[09:51] <Segregation> Seccond remains
[09:51] <Segregation> maco: do you use kubuntu 9.10 ?
[09:51] <maco> not sure then. i know a bug is filed, but i dont know its number
[09:51] <maco> yes
[09:51] <maco> but i dont tend to use apturls
[09:52] <Segregation> could you check the link im trying ?
[09:52] <Segregation> http://www.playdeb.net/updates/?q=alien#
[09:52] <Segregation> i just found a random from playdeb
[09:52] <maco> firefox is broken for me, sorry
[09:52] <Segregation> ahh
[09:52] <Segregation> what do you use ?
[09:52] <maco> arora
[09:53] <maco> i normally use firefox, but i broke things and cant start firefox now. i dont care as im wiping the install in a week when i get my good laptop back
[09:53] <Segregation> does that handle this types of actions ?
[09:53] <maco> i dont think so
[09:53] <Segregation> hmm. what about chrome beta ?
[09:54] <maco> no idea
[09:56] <Segregation> well. thanks atleat for the reply maco. when you said it was a bug, does that mean it cant be fixed atm ?
[09:56] <Segregation> the apturl
[09:56] <maco> the bug report may have a workaround
[09:56] <Segregation> kk ty
[09:56] <maco> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs i would guess
[09:56] <maco> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs at least
[10:21] <zubin71> hello, i was having a look at KDE dbus programming and i saw that QDBusViewer. I am currently using karmic which does not have the tool. what do i do?
[11:04] <[SilverFox]> Has anyone ever had issues with ati drivers maybe nvidia or anything had this. Where KDE runs 3d games work great and opengl is fine but the desktp has choppyness when you scroll in a web page or move a window. and I mean more choppyness then when I had no video drivers installed in KDE was way smoother.
[12:19] <vashitn> konqueror can open facebook and few other websites its opening them like mobile version is there a way to fix this
[12:20] <[SilverFox]> yes
[12:20] <[SilverFox]> google crome or firefox
[12:24] <vashitn> but i like konqueror are you sure there isnt other way? i dont understand google chrome?? with wine or there is linux version???
[12:29] <vashitn> any body
[12:57] <Kolia> vashitn: there is a linux version of chrome
[12:58] <Kolia> vashitn: try sudo apt-get install chromium
[12:59] <Pici> Kolia: the chromium package is not the browser. The browser is not in the Ubuntu repositories, there are PPAs and also a Google provided .deb though.
[12:59] <Pici> !info chromium
[12:59] <Pici> !info chromium-bsu
[13:16] <steveire> What are the magic words to make sure my sun java is being used instead of the open jdk version?
[13:34] <bearbonez> vashitn: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-chromium-google-chrome-in-ubuntu-using-deb-package.html
[13:47] <zoro21> ll
[13:47] <zoro21> Hello
[14:01] <Fleck> is there an easy way to convert to 64bit kubuntu ;P ? from x86
[14:01] <vashitn> no
[14:01] <vashitn> reinstall
[14:01] <vashitn> Fleck x86 runs faster than 64 for me
[14:02] <Fleck> vashitn not here :P and i have 5GB RAM
[14:02] <vashitn> amd or intel
[14:02] <Fleck> amd
[14:03] <vashitn> Fleck you can make another partition and put home there and reinstall
[14:03] <Fleck> yeah
[14:08] <r4v3nsw0rd> currently, if I plug in headphones, sound comes out from both the speakers and the headphones, is there an easy way to change it so that the speakers automatically are disabled when headphones are plugged in?
[14:16] <Organized> hi
[14:16] <Organized> how can i update my system? not to 10.4a1 but the update of all packages
[14:17] <aiya> how do i make cube effect in kubuntu?
[14:18] <aiya> how do i make cube effect in kubuntu?
[14:19] <r4v3nsw0rd> aiya: system settings > desktop> effect for desktop switching
[14:20] <r4v3nsw0rd> oops, sorry, system settings > look and feel > desktop > common settings> effect for desktop switching
[14:22] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[14:34] <r4v3nsw0rd> nevermind, found it, volume controls settings headset jack sense or something like that, don't know why it wasn't enabled by default
[14:39] <redhammer> good morning
[14:40] <redhammer> does anyone care that kubuntu lucid does not boot on kvm ?
[14:40] <redhammer> and has not since before alpha 1
[14:40] <redhammer> ?
[14:41] <redhammer> kvm -cdrom lucid-desktop-amd64.iso -m 2048
[14:42] <redhammer> is the kvm command being used
[14:42] <tsimpson> redhammer: discussion about lucid should be in #ubuntu+1 or #kubuntu-devel please
[14:42] <redhammer> ty
[15:01] <ionut> can anyone give me the ubuntu irc ?
[15:12] <Tm_T> ionut: you mean #ubuntu ?
[15:14] <ionut> yes
[15:14] <ionut> thx so much
[15:18] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[15:21] <Segregation> Hi. Im wondering if there is a way to rename your desktop icons graphicaly in KDE4. like in windows, when you just right click then rename and its done.  Im getting the message about permissions, so its obviously a sudo command from terminal. but thats a long way and many clicks less effichent than just rename in KDE.
[15:22] <maco> what desktop icons?
[15:22] <Segregation> for instance Firefox
[15:22] <Segregation> links/icons
[15:22] <maco> so launchers...
[15:22] <maco> um...
[15:22] <Segregation> yes. that would be the term you know them by
[15:23] <Segregation> I dont like having links with 2 lines text
[15:23] <maco> mmm nope. i can rename them fine
[15:24] <maco> and files can *definitely* be renamed
[15:24] <Segregation> this is my 3rd instalation of Kubuntu and its been like this on each of em
[15:24] <Segregation> Something you know helped prevnting you from having this problem.
[15:24] <maco> i wonder if its a difference between folderview mode and spread-things-all-over mode
[15:24] <Segregation> i have it in folder
[15:25] <Segregation> So to rename i have to take the long way around
[15:25] <maco> and if you right click launchers in the folder view, they dont let you rename easily?
[15:25] <Segregation> Could not save properties. You do not have sufficient access to write to /home/beef/Desktop/firefox.desktop.
[15:25] <maco> mm maybe a difference in how you make the launchers?
[15:25] <maco> did you just copy the /usr/share...whatever.desktop to your Desktop?
[15:26] <Segregation> I used the drag/make link here procdesure
[15:26] <maco> or create a launcher there new
[15:26] <maco> ah! i used copy
[15:26] <maco> not make link
[15:26] <Segregation> Silly me
[15:26] <Segregation> hehe
[15:26] <maco> its still a root-owned file if you make link
[15:26] <Segregation> Well. i still see it as a problem
[15:27] <Segregation> that capability is flawed, and it should be made writable from start. when user have made the link
[15:27] <maco> then youd need to give sudo password to make the link
[15:27] <Segregation> if i did it as root, it would be understandable
[15:27] <maco> probably "make link" shouldnt be an option for .desktop files
[15:28] <maco> but make link means that its the *same file*
[15:28] <maco> so it IS a root owned file
[15:28] <Segregation> i think it should. but if a user makes the link it should not need rootpass for edit
[15:28] <maco> so of course youd need to be root to edit it
[15:28] <maco> are you saying .desktop's should be chown'd to "last user who did make link"?
[15:28] <Segregation> is there no way around such a complexed way of making desktoplink renamable ?
[15:29] <maco> because then if two users.... that wouldnt work
[15:29] <Segregation> this means i have to make over 10 new launchers
[15:29] <maco> probably it should just force copy for launchers instead of linking
[15:29] <Segregation> its doable. but hardly time-effichent
[15:29] <Segregation> good idea
[15:29] <Segregation> make link = copy the link, and make it open as a feech made.
[15:30] <Segregation> french*
[15:30] <maco> well just get rid of the option to make link and dotn show the drop down
[15:30] <maco> just make a drag from kickoff mean "copy" always
[15:30] <Segregation> kk. thanks
[15:30] <maco> Riddell: does this sound do-able?
[15:31] <Segregation> Now i know. But i hope someone rethinks that system. Because its a tad anoying.
[15:33] <Riddell> right click -> edit menu ?
[15:33] <Segregation> thanks for your help maco. have a nice day.
[15:33] <maco> Riddell: no when you drag a .desktop from kickoff to the folder view
[15:33] <maco> it offers copy or make link
[15:34] <maco> but if you make link, you cant rename the .desktop on your Desktop because it's root-owned
[15:34] <Riddell> right, you'd need to copy it
[15:34] <Riddell> and edit it
[15:34] <maco> would it be possible to teach it to ALWAYS copy instead
[15:34] <Riddell> I expect there's a configuration option somewhere, but what if one day you wanted to link?
[15:34] <maco> why would you?
[15:35] <maco> you cant edit them
[15:35] <maco> for normal files in dolphin, yeah, havign the link option makes sense i guess, but it seems broken for this
[15:36] <Riddell> maybe you don't want to edit them, and you do want it to stay updated with the system file
[15:37] <maco> fair enough... is there a way to explain that difference to users other than waiting for them to show up here frustrated?
[15:37] <maco> like....can there be mouseover text on the menu items?
[15:37] <maco> (dunno if qt can do that)
[15:37] <Riddell> you can put a tooltip on anything
[15:40] <maco> ok. thanks
[16:24] <bmunger> why does kubuntu keep losing the static ip address i have set in the network manager even when the pc hasnt been restarted or logged out
[16:24] <bmunger> and how can i keep a static ip
[16:30] <dersdr> Hello
[16:31] <dersdr> A program need a mysql database but i cant find a paket for kubuntu:  http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/5.1.html#downloads   what can i choose?
[16:32] <Vroomfondle> dersdr: just use adept/apt-get/synaptic to install mysql
[16:33] <dersdr> Vroomfondle: what is it? I use linux since two days :(
[16:33] <Vroomfondle> ah
[16:34] <Vroomfondle> in Kubuntu/Ubuntu there is a system called "apt". It allows you to easily install software packages from "repositories" using a GUI or a command-line command. There are thousands of packages in the repositories.
[16:34] <Vroomfondle> dersdr: go to      K -> Computer -> KPackageKit   and search for MySQL
[16:35] <dersdr> kk
[16:35] <Vroomfondle> dersdr: then find the package named "mysql-server - 5.1.37"
[16:35] <Vroomfondle> and click the arrow next to it, then click "Apply"
[16:35] <Vroomfondle> it should download & install mysql for you
[16:36] <Vroomfondle> you may have to enter your password.
[16:37] <dersdr> Vroomfondle: i cant click on "apply" it was grey.
[16:37] <dersdr> only ok or cancle
[16:38] <Vroomfondle> dersdr: did you click the arrow next to mysql?
[16:38] <dersdr> there was a X
[16:39] <dersdr> no arrow
[16:39] <Vroomfondle> Oh. That means it's already installed, dersdr
[16:39] <Vroomfondle> clicking on the "X" would remove it.
[16:39] <dersdr> :(
[16:39] <Vroomfondle> so you don't need to install it - you already have it :)
[16:40] <dersdr> hmm
[16:40] <Vroomfondle> you definitely looked at mysql-server? not mysql-server-core?
[16:41] <dersdr> yes
[16:41] <Vroomfondle> what software are you trying to install which requires mysql?
[16:42] <dersdr> if i write "mysql" under the shell i become the error " cant connect to local mysql server through socket 'var/run/mysql/mysqld.sock' (2)
[16:44] <Vroomfondle> dersdr: do "sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start"
[16:44] <Vroomfondle> then enter your user password
[16:45] <Vroomfondle> (just incase mysql isn't running)
[16:45] <cmcx_linux> good day, I have a small problem with apparmor on jaunty. I'm trying to locate the module on the filesystem to see why is not loading when it should. Does anyone know where it supposed to be?
[16:46] <dersdr> Vroomfondle: yeah, its start. thanks
[16:46] <Vroomfondle> :)
[16:47] <cmcx_linux> by any chance is built into the kernel?
[17:06] <medion> hey i need some help i dont have sound on flash
[17:09] <ubtsrv> hi! is there any tutorial on how to write a module for KDE's System Settings (systemsettings)? is it possible to write a module in python?
[17:11] <maco> dont see why you couldnt use pykde
[17:11] <ubtsrv> me neither :) but I can't find any tutorial on this topic
[17:14] <BlueX> have you guys heard about atheros problems?
[17:15] <BlueX> my internet has a lot of problems in kubuntu 9.10
[17:15] <ubtsrv> maco: so you don't know of any tutorial for systemsettings modules?
[17:16] <maco> theyre called kcm modules
[17:16] <maco> if that helps with searching
[17:17] <ubtsrv> I think it'll help, thanks
[17:18] <BlueX> noone aware of internet problems in kubuntu 9.10?
[17:35] <lazydragoon> please my amsn said he can't not detect my farsight install and i don't know why
[17:41] <bbeck> I was wondering if anyone knew the package name for the alternative desktops  (I believe one showed the earth, one was called virus, and one showed the weather.)
[17:43] <mw> hello everybody
[17:50] <mw> i have the follwing problem: using (k)ubuntu 9.10 on a hp notebook, i can activate the integrated wireless lan card (lspci: 02:04.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)) with the bc43 kernel module. i can connect to the network, even the wlan hotkey and the led work nicely. problem now: after about 10 or 20 mb of data downloaded, the connection getsy slower and slower, though
[17:50] <mw>  not breaking off completely. after about 20 mb, the connection speed goes down to 200 bytes/sec (it actually works, the data received is correct, but way too slow). after trying w/ winxp, i can say that the problem is NOT the wireless device itself, but must be something with the driver.  i would appreciate any ideas.
[17:51] <medion> hey i need help i dont have sound on flash videos
[18:01] <bbeck> found it: plasma-wallpapers-addons
[18:39] <ner0x> is there anything I can use on a windows machine to see linux machine folders natively?
[18:39] <gehzumteufel> yes
[18:39] <gehzumteufel> There is an ext2/3 driver for Windows
[18:40] <gehzumteufel> Do you use either of those two filesystems?
[18:43] <ner0x> I do.
[18:43] <ner0x> That's what the main FS is.
[18:44] <gehzumteufel> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[18:44] <gehzumteufel> I have used that myself, so I know it works
[18:44] <Kovert> ? i have a new kubuntu install 9.10 can not login to kde graphical keeps on returning to login screen. Can login to console no issue. ?
[18:44] <ner0x> I should mention it's on a separate machine.
[18:45] <gehzumteufel> ner0x: That shouldn't be an issue. Just install it on the target machine and share the drive or whatever you need.
[18:45] <ner0x> gehzumteufel: I'm not exactly sure how to do that. That's my problem. I typically SSH in now.
[18:46] <Kolia> Kovert: what happens when you startx from console once login?
[18:47] <gehzumteufel> ner0x: Can you RDP into the Windows box?
[18:47] <ner0x> gehzumteufel: It's the other way around.
[18:48] <Guest60350> what is difference between i686 and x86?
[18:48] <Kovert> Kolia: i will try now
[18:48] <gehzumteufel> ner0x: So you are on the Windows box now?
[18:48] <gehzumteufel> And you SSH into the *nix box
[18:49] <ner0x> gehzumteufel: Correct.
[18:49] <Kovert> Kolia: looks hung on the graphic of the hard disk
[18:51] <Kovert> Kolia: as it loads
[18:53] <Orion737> sigh, anyone know if i686 is the same as x86?
[18:53] <Kolia> hum.. i think i've had this problem but can't remember how i fixed it :/
[18:54] <Kolia> Kovert: have you tried with a new user?
[18:55] <Kolia> Kovert: also try to do a apt-get update/ apt-get upgrade from console
[18:55] <Kolia> maybe something is not finished to update?
[18:55] <Kovert> Kolia: tried both
[18:56] <Kolia> and with a new user?
[19:00] <Kovert> Kolia: yes
[19:00] <Kovert> Kolia: i think in this case different distro needs to be tried
[19:01] <Kolia> Kovert: have you tried to boot in safe mode?
[19:01] <Kolia> Kovert: also does grub propose you several kernel at boot?
[19:01] <Kovert> Kolia: no whats that and No
[19:02] <soee> my hdd with windows just died :/ its a sign to stay with kubuntu for good
[19:02] <Kolia> Kovert: when you boot your computer it should telle you that you can hit "esc" to go to grub menu
[19:03] <Kolia> from there you can choose which kernel to boot with, and in safe mode or not
[19:03] <Kovert> try it now
[19:06] <Kolia> Kovert: is there some free space on your disk by the way?
[19:06] <Kolia> try a 'df'
[19:07] <Kovert> Kolia: tons
[19:07] <Kolia> sure?
[19:07] <Kovert> Kolia: df -h :)
[19:07] <Kovert> yes
[19:07] <Kolia> kk
[19:07] <gehzumteufel> Should iwlist list all APs while connected to a wired connection?
[19:07] <Kolia> Kovert: do you have an nvidia card?
[19:08] <Kovert> Kolia: Oh how I wish!
[19:08] <Kovert> Kolia: I think it can be hd or a brand of computer thats rymes with hell
[19:09] <olimpico> Hello, I have a problem with a directory, I downloaded a chines directory with a chinese name, so my Kubuntu iin ENglish doesn't let me rename it, move it, etc.
[19:09] <olimpico> How can i change the name of the folder?
[19:09] <Kolia> Kovert: have you managed to boot in safe mode?
[19:09] <Kolia> or to try an older kernel?
[19:09] <Vroomfondle> try using a terminal, olimpico?
[19:10] <olimpico> Vroomfondle: I tried, I cannot get into the folder
[19:10] <olimpico> The problem is that it starts with a weird chineses character
[19:10] <Vroomfondle> hrm, oh dear. Are there any roman characters whatsoever in the name?
[19:10] <Vroomfondle> because then you might be able to insert a wildcard instead of the chinese characters
[19:10] <olimpico> Vroomfondle: Yes, but not at the beginning
[19:10] <Vroomfondle> like "mv *yfolder myfolder"
[19:10] <olimpico> Vroomfondle: But how?
[19:11] <Vroomfondle> or "mv *yfolde* myfolder"
[19:11] <Vroomfondle> as long as no other directories match the wildcard expression
[19:12] <Kovert> Kolia: trying safe now
[19:13] <olimpico> Vroomfondle: It doesn't work
[19:13] <Kovert> Kolia: seeing lots of media errors
[19:13] <Vroomfondle> oh. Then I'm out of ideas, sorry olimpico.
[19:13] <Vroomfondle> never had that problem before myself
[19:14] <Vroomfondle> I guess it's a unicode issue, but not sure how to fix that
[19:14] <olimpico> Vroomfondle: I can move the complete folder inside another folder
[19:14] <olimpico> Vroomfondle: But I cannot renale the folder itself
[19:15] <Vroomfondle> olimpico: so I take it you can't do it via Dolphin?
[19:15] <Vroomfondle> if so, that's a bug
[19:15] <Vroomfondle> and you should report it, but I'm not sure how to work around it
[19:15] <olimpico> Vroomfondle:  I tried, doesn't work
[19:16] <NoobCp> Where's the best place to see how much RAM I   have?
[19:16] <Vroomfondle> can you actually see the chinese characters, by the way?
[19:16] <Vroomfondle> or are they placeholders e.g. squares, diamonds, question-marks
[19:17] <mrgreene1969> can anyone help me get my webcam working?
[19:17] <olimpico> Vroomfondle: OK, thanks a lot for trying!
[19:17] <Vroomfondle> olimpico: no problem. Good luck! :)
[19:18] <snarkster> hi, ive got a dvd that i cant seem to mount.. can someone suggest away to rescan for the dvd without eject it
[19:19] <snarkster> ive been trying to watch this dvd for awhile now and its screwing up my netflix queue
[19:19] <cragdor> NoobCp 'System Monitor' will list the amount of ram and usage at the bottom
[19:20] <cragdor> if your not using kde 4, drop to command type cat /proc/meminfo and its listed next to MemTotal
[19:21] <NoobCp> I'musing KDE4 alright, but I can't find a system monitor
[19:21] <snarkster> i keep getting devide/sr0 unknown device
[19:21] <mrgreene1969> anyone?
[19:22] <snarkster> mrgreene1969: whats the question
[19:22] <NoobCp> Oh well, I was just wondering why the desktop widget isn't showing near complete RAM uitilization. Live sesion should do that I think
[19:22] <cragdor> press Alt & F2 and start typing, System Monitor, if you can't find it under System submenu
[19:22] <mrgreene1969> trying to get my webcam to work with kopete
[19:23] <Kovert> Kolia: I M BETTING BAD DRIVE
[19:23] <Kovert> Kolia: FINISHED REPAIR
[19:23] <Kovert> SAME ISSUE
[19:23] <Kovert> Kolia: SORRY CAPS
[19:23] <Kovert> Kolia: still sorry :-(
[19:25] <snarkster> mrgreene1969:  what protocol are you try to get it to work with or just work in general with kopete
[19:25] <mrgreene1969> dont understand? trying toget it to work with yahoo or aim
[19:26] <Kolia> Kovert: what if you start kdm now?
[19:26] <snarkster> i dont believe it works with either of those.. i dont use kopete on a regular basis as i prefer pidgin
[19:27] <mrgreene1969> does it work with that?
[19:28] <snarkster> mrgreene1969: please take a look at this: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/kopete/index.html
[19:28] <mrgreene1969> ok
[19:29] <snarkster> mrgreene1969: I believe that only MSN supports webcam
[19:30] <Kovert> Kolia: same
[19:31] <Kolia> Kovert: has it worked one time? or you never managed to pass the login?
[19:32] <Kovert> Kolia: never
[19:33] <snarkster> so no help on mounting this movie dvd eh?
[19:33] <Kovert> Kolia: giving up thanks will try reinstall
[19:33] <Kolia> Kovert: at boot you can choose between kernels or not?
[19:33] <Kovert> no
[19:33] <Kolia> (when you choose safe mode)
[19:33] <Kolia> have you tried sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[19:34] <Kovert> Kolia: yes
[19:34] <NoobCp> That' where I tried cragdor. Thanks for the help. It's a striped down regional remaster,doessn't have most of the goodies on it
[19:34] <Kolia> have you checked your log in /var/log ?
[19:34] <Kolia> X log?
[19:35] <snarkster> kolia can he log in via console?
[19:35] <Kolia> snarkster: yes
[19:35] <Kolia> oh, he left
[19:35] <cragdor> NoobCp you should still be able to drop to console and type 'cat /proc/meminfo'  thats generated by the kernal
[19:35] <snarkster> ok well thanx for your help.
[19:36] <spieman> hola
[19:44] <NoobCp> Ah,  I entered the command wrong, spaces in this IRC client obscure are
[19:46] <r4v3nsw0rd> is help for kubuntu 10.04 allowed here?
[19:47] <Vroomfondle> I think that's in #ubuntu+1 or #kubuntu-devel
[19:47] <NoobCp> For some reason the live session is giving me graphical effect it din't show me on the other computer I've tried it. GUI seems to be sluggish quite often aswell
[19:47] <Vroomfondle> NoobCp: different graphics hardware?
[19:50] <r4v3nsw0rd> thanks Vroomfondle
[19:56] <jesse2> hello.  running kubuntu 9.04.  when i try to log off/shutdown/reboot via the kde Application Launcher, nothing happens.  does anyone know what the reason could be?
[19:59] <Guest75591> jesse, tried updating kubuntu?
[19:59] <Guest75591> I mean kde
[19:59] <jesse2> yes, im running 4.4.3 i believe
[20:00] <Orion737> did it have this problem before the update?
[20:01] <jesse2> im not sure... this is a pretty new install (just last night).  i did a fresh install, booted it up, upgraded everything and downloaded some other apps
[20:01] <Orion737> see, I'm using kubuntu 9.10 with the newest kde and I don't know what bug I *havn't* encountered ;)
[20:01] <jesse2> and was unable to logoff/shutdonw/etc
[20:01] <jesse2> :)
[20:01] <jesse2> me too
[20:01] <Orion737> and you forced it to turn off right?
[20:02] <NoobCp> Wel, newer,the other one was a 4+year old laptop, some radeon
[20:02] <jesse2> right
[20:02] <Orion737> does it work correctly now?
[20:02] <NoobCp> this one i  Intel GM965
[20:02] <jesse2> negative, i cant logoff or shutdown
[20:02] <Orion737> ouch
[20:02] <jesse2> is there a way i can view the console and see any error messages?
[20:02] <jesse2> or a log?
[20:02] <Orion737> one sec
[20:03] <jesse2> thanks
[20:03] <frozen> systemmonitor i think
[20:03] <Orion737> ksystemlog
[20:04] <frozen> yeah systemlog it was
[20:04] <jesse2> hmmm when i attempt to log off nothing changes in the system update
[20:05] <Orion737> that's causeit isn't doing anything hehe
[20:05] <jesse2> haha yeah
[20:05] <jesse2> though i was hoping it would give an error message
[20:06] <Orion737> the question is how to repair the os when it gets corrupt
[20:06] <frozen> tried recovery mode?
[20:07] <jesse2> hmm, no i havent.  what would i do once ive entered recovery mode?
[20:07] <Orion737> recovery mode is all terminal command line though
[20:07] <frozen> yes
[20:08] <jesse2> oh
[20:08] <jesse2> i havent run linux since the 90s; does  startx still start x? :)
[20:09] <Orion737> jesse2, I found stuff about this problem online
[20:09] <jesse2> thanks! may i have a link?
[20:09] <Orion737> you can shutdown or restart still through the command line or there is also a workaround
[20:10] <Orion737> well this is a preliminary one but I'll try to find others also http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7806322
[20:11] <jesse2> thanks!
[20:11] <NoobCp> One thing is for sure, I'musing up more CPU on this computer
[20:15] <sena> kubuntu ftw
[20:16] <cragdor> Yeah, i dissabled the sounds too! KDE's shutdown sound is too long, i just want it to shutdown as quickly as possible, not wait to finish playing a sound effect
[20:19] <Orion737> jesse2, and this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/405522
[20:19] <jesse2> thanks
[20:20] <jesse2> im gonna try rm ~/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc
[20:20] <Orion737> k
[20:21] <patch_> hi
[20:21] <patch_> channel irc list
[20:21] <Vroomfondle> type /list
[20:21] <patch_> list
[20:22] <Vroomfondle>  /list
[20:22] <jesse2> im having the same problems in this one... suspend/sleep works but logout/shutdown do not
[20:22] <jesse2> deleting that file didnt do the trick, but perhaps i need to reboot and try again
[20:28] <jesse2> that site worked -- thanks a ton!
[20:28] <patch_> swishmax
[20:29] <Guest97229> np
[20:40] <[SilverFox]> hey guys
[20:41] <[SilverFox]> I got my video drivers and such installed working okday but I find clicking things sometimes gives me a 1-2 sec delay. I wonder there some type of program that maybe throttling my KDE?
[21:08] <subito> hi, i have a program that is running, can i stop it, then switch off my computer and continue my computation later?
[21:18] <NoobCp> Any idea if I couldmitigate double keystroke resulting in a long roll of repeats?
[21:20] <soee> do u know how can i configure my speakers to 5,1, now only 2 works
[21:21] <swilhelm> hi there
[21:22] <swilhelm> are there people with practical experiences off kubuntu netbook release on a real netbook
[21:22] <swilhelm> (not on a virtual machine or equal)
[21:23] <swilhelm> have it running on a msi u100 and wondering about several things like powermanagement
[21:23] <swilhelm> seem that the provided kernel has some troubles with it?
[21:24] <swilhelm> using one of the earlier kernels suspend to ram did working, since some kernel upgrade, suspend to ram is
[21:24] <swilhelm> lost
[21:26] <swilhelm> also the display power management has very crazy effects, flickering from 100% to 0% display light and back
[21:28] <rafasmart> hey guys
[21:29] <rafasmart> anyone knows why while inserting a CD of packages on kubuntu, doesn't work like Ubuntu?(asking by package management)
[21:30] <simo_> hi
[21:30] <simo_> could someone point me in the right direction of installing a new hard drive to my kubuntu system? (complete newbie..)
[21:32] <swilhelm> simo_: some shell experiences, as primary disk (exchanging the current primary), as second, with lvm,..???
[21:32] <simo_> :o
[21:33] <simo_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive
[21:33] <simo_> i remember trying to follow this guide but messing something up..
[21:34] <swilhelm> didn't read that guide, have long enought experiences :)
[21:34] <swilhelm> do you want to replace a disk, or do you want it as a second drive?
[21:35] <simo_> second =)
[21:35] <swilhelm> so you have the disk in your system already?
[21:36] <simo_> yes
[21:36] <simo_> just plugged in nothing rly done to it
[21:36] <swilhelm> ok
[21:36] <swilhelm> usb drive or sata?
[21:36] <simo_> sata
[21:37] <swilhelm> what did dmesg told you? what device is it? /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc,?
[21:37] <simo_> lemme check
[21:39] <simo_> hmm
[21:40] <simo_> any idea how to shorten the output?
[21:41] <swilhelm> something like that: [    2.404975] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 312581808 512-byte logical blocks: (160 GB/149 GiB)
[21:41] <simo_> sdb
[21:42] <swilhelm> dmesg |grep "\[sd.\]"
[21:43] <swilhelm> so what is "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb" is telling you?
[21:44] <simo_> Levy /dev/sdb: 1000.2 Gt,<PHONE_NUMBER>016 tavua
[21:44] <simo_> 255 päätä, 63 sektoria/ura, 121601 sylinteriä
[21:44] <simo_> Yksiköt = 16065 * 512 = 8225280 -tavuiset sylinterit
[21:44] <simo_> Levyn tunniste: 0x000f1b70
[21:44] <simo_> Laite Käynn     Alku          Loppu    Lohkot   Id  Järjestelmä
[21:44] <FloodBotK1> simo_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:44] <simo_> /dev/sdb1               1      121601   976760001   83  Linux
[21:46] <swilhelm> simo_: so you have an existing partition with linux
[21:47] <simo_> :o
[21:47] <swilhelm> now describe how do you like to use the disk, partition scheme, with lvm,...
[21:47] <simo_> just installed kubuntu though ^^
[21:47] <simo_> just the whole TB to availabe for use
[21:48] <swilhelm> I won't like to crash any existing data, so it is very helpful that I don't have to ask you every little aspect
[21:48] <swilhelm> it's much more helpful if you describe what do you wish
[21:48] <simo_> just to delete verything from it and get it up and running
[21:49] <swilhelm> I have a computer, it has two disks, on disk 1 I have ,...
[21:49] <simo_> i dont know what else you mean
[21:51] <swilhelm> simo_: I am admin, and now enough examples of data crash because of not existing backups,,...
[21:51] <swilhelm> at the moment your description is like the famous "flower on the desktop"
[21:52] <simo_> not to be rude or anything but what are you talking about now
[21:52] <swilhelm> without some infos on your hardware, your current setup,... helping you may cause loosing of data
[21:53] <NoobCp> Is opening the downloaadd destination direectory from the download list window  not launchDolphin normal behaaviour?
[21:53] <NoobCp> Instead Firefoox prompting for Launch Application
[22:01] <r4v3nsw0rd> how do you make a custom keyboard shortcut?
[22:04] <joshjtl> hey folks i want to test kde 4.4 is there any way to do so without compiling everything?
[22:04] <NoobCp> system settings->keyboard?
[22:05] <r4v3nsw0rd> yea, just don't know how to add new ones? I tried right clicking
[22:07] <balvonas> i installed Kubuntu 9.10. laptop FANs don't work at all. what is the problem? Acer Aspire 5720z
[22:07] <olso> hello
[22:09] <BlueX> is 64bit usually less stable than 32?
[22:09] <olso> I think
[22:09] <BlueX> me too
[22:10] <olso> do you test Ubuntu 10 afla?
[22:10] <cragdor> Stability is good from my point, i've had very little difficulty with my x64 linux
[22:11] <BlueX> I've had nothing but problems with kubuntu 9.10
[22:11] <BlueX> its buggy, it crashes, and the support for my wireless card sucks
[22:12] <BlueX> widgets glitch out, firefox glitches out
[22:12] <cragdor> Strange, i've had no issues at all!
[22:12] <BlueX> you're using 64bit kubuntu 9.10?
[22:12] <BlueX> and newest kde?
[22:13] <cragdor> yep, other than mapping the new x64 sun jvm to firefox no issues
[22:14] <BlueX> mapping the new x64 sun jvm to firefox? that's the 64bit version of java?
[22:14] <cragdor> O yes and Adobe AIR is only 32bit, but i don't use that and we will have x64bit version before windows
[22:14] <cragdor> Yes the x64bit version of java
[22:15] <cragdor> The plugin for x64 java is named different
[22:15] <BlueX> hmm, I thought installing the newest version of flash player would help but it made it worse
[22:15] <BlueX> do you have nvidia card?
[22:16] <cragdor> Yep, with multi head, 1920x1050, and 1280 x 1024
[22:16] <BlueX> ok so its not my graphics card
[22:16] <BlueX> but supposedly atheros wireless cards do not have good support with ubuntu
[22:17] <BlueX> which would explain that problem
[22:17] <BlueX> but yeah, both firefox and opera have the same flash glitches for me
[22:17] <cragdor> Erm their not great but it shouldn't cause it to crash! If you are using stable repositories
[22:17] <BlueX> but strangely it was like that with default flash and the newer version
[22:18] <cragdor> Flash glitches? Hmmm you might be using an opensource flash and java virtual machine!
[22:18] <BlueX> well, the first flash version came from updating konqueror
[22:19] <BlueX> the second flash version came from the official adobe site
[22:19] <cragdor> I'll dig out the destruction... i mean instructions for Adobe x64 Flash, and Sun Java x64
[22:19] <BlueX> I don't even have java installed yet
[22:19] <BlueX> so you think the problem might be that I have the wrong versions?
[22:19] <cragdor> You will it will be called 'Ice Tea'
[22:20] <BlueX> yes, I don't have iced tea installed
[22:20] <cragdor> 32bit programs do not run well inside of x64 bit programs
[22:20] <BlueX> k, how do I remove the versions I have now?
[22:21] <cragdor> Can you give me 30Mins to finish a bit of work and i'll write it up for you
[22:21] <BlueX> yes cause I have to reboot anyway, but I might not be here in 30 min..actually no I won't so I'll have to catch up with you later
[22:22] <BlueX> thank you for the info!
[22:23] <cragdor> No problem we are always here to help if we can
[22:23] <soee> is there any program similiar to emule under KDE ?
[22:27] <cragdor> Well not kde specific, but if you have the hd space you can install the gtk libraries along side, for emule try this http://sourceforge.net/projects/lmule/
[22:28] <xing_> hi
[22:28] <xing_> everyone
[22:28] <cragdor> Hi
[22:30] <cristi_> hello
[22:31] <cristi_> could anyone please tell me what package contains the kde plasma applets (like the digital clock, the systray and the rest) ? or at least a way I could find that package?
[22:35] <cragdor> a number, is the answer but you can start with kdebase-plasma
[22:35] <olso> sorry for my english but my desktop lag with a cpu intel core2 duo it is normal?
[22:36] <cragdor> followed by plasma-widgets-addons
[22:37] <cristi_> cragdor: already checked plasma-widgets-addons, they don't seem to be there...
[22:37] <cragdor> ??
[22:37] <olso> persone peut m'aider? :(
[22:39] <cristi_> cragdor: if I know the filename(/usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_systemtray.so), is there any way to find out which package it is contained in?
[22:40] <cragdor> Not sure
[22:41] <cragdor> It would be good to have a online database to search that
[22:47] <cristi_> cragdor: does apt-cache search only show not installed packages?
[22:52] <cristi_> ok, i think i've found it
[22:52] <cristi_> thanks for the help =)
[22:55] <joshjtl> can anyone tell me how to downgrade from kubuntu ppa staging?
[23:01] <fasr> Hello
[23:01] <soee> yo
[23:07] <administrador> hi
[23:10] <fasr> hi administrador
[23:11] <fasr> ;)
[23:11] <fasr> I try to install a driver for my tft-touch-screen but i become a error:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/341489/ can. someone help me?
[23:37] <cyberhunter> veo muuuucha gente....
[23:38] <cyberhunter> helou
[23:59] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit


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