[01:27] <VinceVon> hey all, new here, what are your thoughts for 16.04? worth upgrading? I'm on 15.10
[01:30] <slackho> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-default-wallpapers-revealed-gallery-502692.shtml
[05:20] <screennamez> hi all. running 16.04 on asus laptop . cant get any videos to run full screen. any thoughts?
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> screennamez: clean install or upgrade?
[05:23] <screennamez> clean
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> screennamez: what graphics card chipset and driver loaded please?
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> screennamez: sudo lshw -C video, and additional drivers section shows active drivers/available
[05:26] <screennamez> Hardware Lister (lshw) - B.02.17 usage: lshw [-format] [-options ...]        lshw -version          -version        print program version (B.02.17)  format can be         -html           output hardware tree as HTML         -xml            output hardware tree as XML         -short          output hardware paths         -businfo        output bus information  options can be         -class CLASS    only show a certain class of h
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> !paste
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> screennamez: correct command entered? sudo lshw -C video
[05:27] <screennamez> *-display                       description: VGA compatible controller        product: Sky Lake Integrated Graphics        vendor: Intel Corporation        physical id: 2        bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0        version: 07        width: 64 bits        clock: 33MHz        capabilities: pciexpress msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom        configuration: driver=i915_bpo latency=0        resources: irq:125 memory:de0000
[05:29] <screennamez> ive tryed all 16 x 9 resolutions and in both vlc and dragon i can only play videos in a small frame
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> screennamez: are you up to date to latest kernel also?
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> screennamez: uname -a
[05:30] <screennamez> 4.4.0-17-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 29 17:17:28 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> screennamez: ok looking good mate
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> screennamez: is it hybrid graphics card with nvidia, or just your skylake one
[05:32] <screennamez> not sure
[05:32] <screennamez> this is the asus xc305c
[05:32] <screennamez> it goes to 3800 res
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> screennamez: check your additional drivers section, see if nvidia drivers show up
[05:33] <trevor_s> anyone know a way to install encrypted volumes alongside windows 10 using the FULL live cd?
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> trevor_s: clean install or upgrade?
[05:33] <trevor_s> I can only do it with minimal ISO and this laptop doesn't have ethernet so minimal isn't an option
[05:34] <trevor_s> clean install of ubuntu with encrypted LUKS
[05:34] <trevor_s> win10 aready installed with bitlocker
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> !lvm | trevor_s did you check on this:
[05:34] <screennamez> skylake gt2
[05:35] <trevor_s> lotuspsychje, RAID? that doesn't seem relevant
[05:36] <screennamez> Mesa DRI Intel (R) HD Graphics 515 (Skylake GT2(
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> screennamez: ok good
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> !bug | screennamez file a new one mate
[05:36] <screennamez> will do thanks
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> trevor_s: what happens exactly at your ubuntu setup?
[05:39] <trevor_s> lotuspsychje, if i use the full installation ISO i cant create encrypted volumes(LUKS) when windows is already installed
[05:39] <trevor_s> this will be a dual boot scenerio
[05:39] <trevor_s> i can do this using the minimal installer... but i cant use the minimal installer on this pc because there is no ethernet port
[05:39] <trevor_s> and the minimal installer doesn't have wifi drivers
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> trevor_s: yes, but what happens at a regular install
[05:40] <trevor_s> at the regular installer the option to run alongside windows makes the options for creating encrypted volumes greyed out
[05:40] <trevor_s> and if you go to 'do something else' there isn't an option to create encrypted volumes
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> trevor_s: could this be related to your issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-crypto/+bug/1523194
[05:44] <brianx> newbie question, the gnome software center in 16.04b2 seems to be missing almost everything.  for example, apache2 is missing from the software center but shows just fine in apt-cache search apache2 any clues what i'm missing?  my googlefoo is getting most of this crap but calling your installer "software" makes googleing hard.
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> brianx, k1l just tested on gnome-software no apache2 found, apt-cache search apache2 shows
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TBOOK:~$ apt-cache search apache2
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> apache2 - Apache HTTP Server
[05:45] <brianx> yes, that is my question.  what have i done wrong that it's not in the gui?
[05:45] <trevor_s> lotuspsychje, thanks but that doesn't apply to dual boot scenerios
[05:46] <trevor_s> which is what im faced with
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> brianx: 16.04 is still under development, perhaps things will get fixxed on final
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> trevor_s: well i didnt test encryption on 16.04 yet, if you cant bypass your situation, i would strongly suggest a new bug
[05:47] <brianx> oh boy, we're 2 weeks from final and features are frozen.  lotuspsychje, do you think this should be reported?  seems kinda obvious and someone would know.
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> brianx: even on final release, bugs will keep comming in mate..
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> brianx: this is why the community can help find new bugs, experience in the real field
[05:48] <brianx> lotuspsychje: so do you think i should report a bug?
[05:48] <k1l> yes
[05:48] <brianx> ok, will do.
[05:49] <k1l> i doubt someone from the devs will be searching for apache in the software center.
[05:50] <brianx> lol, quite probably.  takes a newb to find something simple but big.
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> brianx: thats what ubuntu is about, everyone can help novice to expert
[05:51] <trevor_s> 16.04 kubuntu LIVE cd only live boots and doesn't install?
[05:51] <trevor_s> wtf
[05:51] <trevor_s> im having the worst luck ever
[05:51] <brianx> trevor_s: the full desktop is live and installer.
[05:52] <trevor_s> i got it here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[05:52] <trevor_s> is that not where to get it from?
[05:54] <brianx> trevor_s: i got mine from http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ but it wasn't kde
[05:54] <brianx> (seems to support every kde app i've installed though)
[05:55] <trevor_s> ah
[05:55] <trevor_s> here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/xenial/beta-2/
[06:09] <trevor_s> when i run 'oem install' on kubuntu 16.04 it boots into the OS
[06:09] <trevor_s> wtf
[08:16] <petrh> Hi, I'm testing my application in Ubuntu 16.04 but there is a problem with MySQL. It saves data to users home directory and mysql is started by hand with this command:
[08:17] <petrh>  /usr/sbin/mysqld --defaults-file=/home/ok2cqr/.config/cqrlog/database/mysql.cnf --datadir=/home/ok2cqr/.config/cqrlog/database/ --socket=/home/ok2cqr/.config/cqrlog/database/sock --port=64000
[08:18] <petrh> when is this running for the first time, the initial files are created and all seems to work
[08:18] <petrh> but then I close the mysqld and try to run it again, I get strange error in mysql.err file and it won't start again anymore
[08:18] <petrh> the error is here:
[08:19] <petrh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15683081/
[08:20] <petrh> it seems it's relate to https://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=80488
[08:20] <petrh> it worked fine until I did dist-upgrade yesterday...
[08:20] <petrh> what can I do?
[08:23] <lordievader> "The error means mysqld does not have the access rights to the directory."
[08:25] <petrh> lordievader, yes, I know but don't understand why because the file were created by the same command before
[08:25] <petrh> nothing changed
[08:25] <lordievader> Where are the tables stored?
[08:25] <petrh> in the /home/ok2cqr/.config/cqrlog/database/ directory
[08:26] <petrh> and this directory is also 'enabled' in apparmor configuration
[08:26] <lordievader> Does the user running mysqld have acces to that?
[08:26] <petrh> I suppose yes, because it already created the files
[08:27] <petrh> but when it want to open it again, it fails
[08:27] <lordievader> Doesn't mysqld drop to the mysql user?
[08:27] <petrh> no, because I run the command as ordinary user
[08:28] <petrh> I've been using this for years, it works on Debian unstable, even in Ubuntu 14.04, 15.10 and also worked in 12.04
[08:29] <petrh> after dist-upgrade in 16.04 it stopped to work :(
[08:29] <lordievader> Does it need to keyring to access the data?
[08:29] <lordievader> Since it doesn't have a valid keyring path...
[08:29] <petrh> lordievader, I tried it also with keyring path, the same problem, it created the data without any problem but when I started the mysqld next time, it failed again
[08:30] <petrh> it failed with error about permission again
[08:30] <petrh> I can do that and paste the error message
[08:32] <lordievader> Could you chown the database dir to mysql and try again?
[08:32] <petrh> yes, I can that
[08:35] <petrh> this is the paste with keyring option:
[08:35] <petrh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15683195/
[08:35] <petrh> now I'll try chown
[08:37] <petrh> after chown
[08:37] <petrh> exactly same error message like in last paste
[08:38] <lordievader> Hmm, could you pastebin the defaults-file?
[08:38] <petrh> yes, of course
[08:39] <petrh> lordievader, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15683234/
[08:42] <lordievader> Hmm, pretty straight forward indeed. You could add 'user=user_name' to the mysqld section, but I doubt if it will work.
[08:42] <petrh> I alredy tried that :)
[08:42] <petrh> the same result
[08:43] <lordievader> You could strace mysql...
[08:43] <petrh> I had been googling for some time before asking here but didn't find anything :(
[08:43] <petrh> Could you help me please? I have no idea how to do that.
[08:44] <lordievader> You'd want a 'strace -eopen -o /tmp/mysql.trace <command>'.
[08:44] <petrh> I'll try
[08:44] <lordievader> That will just trace open commands, you'll probably see a permission denied in there somewhere.
[08:45] <petrh> Yes, I did
[08:45] <petrh> here is the paste:
[08:46] <petrh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15683308/
[08:46] <petrh> hm
[08:46] <petrh> just a moment please
[08:47] <lordievader> ;)
[08:47] <petrh> I forget to chown the directory back :)
[08:47] <petrh> not the strace is different
[08:47] <petrh> now the strace is different
[08:48] <petrh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15683332/
[08:49] <lordievader> "open("./", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)"
[08:49] <lordievader> Not sure if that if from the perspective of strace, or from the mysqld.
[08:52] <petrh> lordievader, I can paste here strace when I run it for the first time, if it helps
[08:53] <lordievader> First try to fix that message ;) You could do a full strace to figure out which dir it actually refers too.
[08:53] <lordievader> to*
[08:56] <petrh> lordievader, full strace is loooong
[08:57] <lordievader> Oh, I'm sure ;)
[08:58] <petrh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15683437/
[09:00] <petrh> almost the same line, don't see more information
[09:02] <lordievader> It does do 'getcwd("/home/ok2cqr/.config/cqrlog/database", 4096) = 37' a lot of times... Is the undo001 and ib_logfile1 in there?
[09:03] <petrh> undo001 doesn't exist but ib_logfile1 is there
[09:20] <lordievader> Oh, right that is what it says..
[09:21] <lordievader> What is the output of 'ls -l /home/ok2cqr/.config/cqrlog'?
[09:23] <petrh> the output is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15683692/
[09:24] <lordievader> Hmm, it might be interesting to chmod it to 777 for a moment, don't do it permenantly but, just to test.
[09:25] <lordievader> The database folder I mean.
[09:30] <petrh> I just did it. The same error my mysql.err file.
[09:30] <petrh> I can paste strace if it helps
[09:31] <petrh> dabase folder has drwxrwxrwx
[09:31] <petrh> database folder has drwxrwxrwx
[09:34] <server_> open("/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/tls/x86_64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[09:35] <server_> I can't find which package has libgdk-x11-2.0.so
[09:41] <server_> I tried reinstalling libgtk2.0-0 but it's not in it
[09:45] <lordievader> petrh: Yeah, could you pastebin the strace output with the 'open' filter?
[09:50] <petrh> lordievader, it's here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15684027/
[09:50] <petrh> it seems the same problem, chmod 77 to database directory didn't change anything :(
[09:50] <petrh> chmod 777 I mean...
[09:51] <lordievader> Hmm, I suppose the ./ doesn't refer to the database folder then...
[09:52] <petrh> I can try the same on Ubuntu 14.04 when it works if it helps
[09:52] <lordievader> You could compare it yes.
[09:56] <petrh> lordievader, the strace is different a bit
[09:56] <petrh> but it works with ./
[09:57] <petrh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15684110/
[10:16] <server_> I get 404 error with apt-get:   http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/main i386 gcc-6-base i386 6-20160319-0ubuntu1 404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[10:17] <server_> what does it mean?
[10:44] <petrh> lordievader, I'll try to ask on #MySQL, maybe it's problem with my configuration, I don't know. Thank you for your help.
[11:55] <aredpanda`w> exit
[11:56] <fosser_josh> which version of gnome will be supported in 16.04?
[12:16] <Eddie303> Hello everybody, please, I need some help starting up OpenVPN in the "official" way on 16.04 with multiple configuration files. I do have two configurations listed in /etc/default/openvpn, but it only takes one, and I don't get it...
[12:17] <server_> I see that GCC 6 was updated to a new file but apt-get update is not finding the new version (still points to old filename).
[12:36] <Eddie303> Repeating: :) Hello everybody, please, I need some help starting up OpenVPN in the "official" way on 16.04 with multiple configuration files. I do have two configurations listed in /etc/default/openvpn, but it only takes one, and I don't get it...
[12:53] <Mouaad> hello, i have a problem on beta xenial, i wanna run the following script from mozilla: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/raw-file/default/python/mozboot/bin/bootstrap.py, meanwhile apt make it fail with the following error: Package openjdk-7-jdk is a virtual package provided by: oracle-java7-installer 7u80+7u60arm-0~webupd8~1, any ideas to bypass this ?
[12:53] <Mouaad> "Package 'openjdk-7-jdk' has no installation candidate"
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:52] <jtaylor> Mouaad: jdk 7 is removed, try if it works with 8
[13:52] <jtaylor> if it does the script should probably just use default-jdk instead of hardcoding a version
[14:00] <Mouaad> yeah the script should be udpate
[14:00] <Mouaad> updated
[14:11] <solsTiCe> hi. Why are we forced to disable Secure Boot" if we use third party module during the install ? Even later when I installed manually bcmwl-kernel-source, I was asked again to turn off "Secure Boot". why ?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> solsTiCe, I believe secure boot is a windows malware blocker of some kind and doesn't apply to linux
[14:13] <BluesKaj> but it can interfere
[14:17] <kaffien> did 16.04 add something that makes  NFS and SSH incompatible with VEEAM?
[14:18] <teward> it *shouldn't* have, but as Veeam is closed source I don't think we'd be able to shed light on that
[14:18] <kaffien> ok better yet
[14:19] <kaffien> what versions of nfs and sshd does ubuntu use?
[14:19] <kaffien> Can i install nfs 4.0?
[14:19] <kaffien> vs 4.1
[14:20] <teward> !info nfs xenial
[14:20] <teward> hmm
[14:20] <teward> i forget
[14:20] <teward> !info openssh-server xenial
[14:20] <kaffien> nfs-kernel-server
[14:20] <teward> !info nfs-kernel-server xenial
[14:20] <teward> gives me no useful data :p
[14:20] <kaffien> hehe
[14:20] <kaffien> and full release is expected on the 24th?
[14:23] <ratrace> kaffien: openssh 7.2 in 16.04 disables some things like dsa keys, could that be it? also default is no password login for root.
[14:23] <teward> ^
[14:23] <kaffien> that might be part of it
[14:23] <ratrace> kaffien: here's the full list: http://www.openssh.com/txt/release-7.2
[14:25] <kaffien> there ya go that's gonna be the problem
[14:25] <snowgoggles> !info nfs-common xenial
[14:25] <kaffien> common is the linux client
[14:25] <kaffien> which works well
[14:26] <kaffien> can dsa keys be re enabled?
[14:27] <ratrace> I believe so, they're just disabled by default
[14:27] <kaffien> ah
[14:27] <kaffien> i re enabled root login i'm pretty sure
[14:27] <kaffien> stupid veeam
[14:28] <ratrace> Try with this in sshd_config:  PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes=+ssh-dss
[14:28] <kaffien> i mean i could just backup to samba buuuut  no.
[14:29] <ratrace> and btw, openssh will drop DSA support completely in the future, so it might be wise to migrate all keys to RSA anyway
[14:29] <kaffien> I will talk to veeam support about this pronto
[14:30] <kaffien> what is the 'best practice way'  to get ubuntu to run a script before login?
[14:31] <solsTiCe> anyone about "Secure boot" question ? is it because 3rd party modules are considered insecure and can't be trusted by the kernel ?
[14:33] <ratrace> solsTiCe: afaik Secure Boot requires signed bootloader and/or kernel and/or modules, so that's why
[14:34] <solsTiCe> but that was ok on 15.10. And I still run it with secure boot on and it's ok. So it was working and is working so ?
[14:35] <ratrace> so what's the problem if it's working?
[14:35] <solsTiCe> my question is why ubuntu want to enforce the disable "secure boot" policy
[14:36] <ratrace> enforce how?
[14:36] <solsTiCe> in the installer or when configuring the module when installing it
[14:36] <solsTiCe> it/the package
[14:37] <ratrace> no idea. maybe the authors know something we don't.
[14:41] <Dreaman>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.6.0-040600rc2-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 1,35GHz ** RAM: Physical: 3,9GiB, 77,6% free ** Disk: Total: 219,4GiB, 92,1% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 LE [Radeon HD 4830] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI ** Ethernet: NVIDIA Corporation MCP77 Ethernet
[14:41] <Dreaman> ** Uptime: 18m 27s **
[14:41] <Dreaman> :)
[14:46] <timp> hi
[14:47] <timp> I have an issue on xenial (although I think it is not xenial-specific). I'm trying to run xmodmap on startup, but putting xmodmap in ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsessionrc or adding it to Startup Applications does not configure my keyboard correctly
[14:47] <timp> running xmodmap ~/my-xmodmap after logging in does fix it though. I must be adding it in the wrong place?
[14:48] <timp> other commands that I add to those files or in Startup Applications do work. So I guess xmodmap needs to be executed at a specific moment (or the wm resets my keybindings after xmodmap is executed?)
[14:48] <lordievader> petrh: If you find out why, please let me know :)
[15:03] <petrh> lordievader, I didn't get any reply :(
[15:04] <petrh> I have no idea what to do, my application won't work and I have to explain somehow to users...
[15:04] <popey> Hm. Rhythmbox on my clean 16.04 install can't play mp3s despite me installing ubuntu-restricted-extras...
[15:07] <petrh> I'll try to add bugreport but there are many bugs related to mysql on Lauchpad, some of them with a patch but no reply to them. I doubt my bug report will be the same :(
[15:08] <petrh> Right now I have to go, I'll be back soon
[15:42] <kaffien> gotta love this my old ubuntu server.   veeam can connect to that for NFS even though there are no nfs exports setup
[15:42] <kaffien> ha ha
[18:17] <kaffien> turns out  openssh dropped  a certain KEX support in  16.04  which is what killed veam
[18:17] <kaffien> I had to specificially enable it again and then toss in version 14 as well.
[18:20] <kaffien> specifically diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 was dropped.
[18:21] <kaffien> i added the proper ciphers and group14 of the diffie-hellman.  I have also updated veeams support and they have made it an official article thinger if anyone asks.
[18:31] <MonkeyDust> pity, xenial ruined my squid proxy
[18:57] <ratrace> I'll bite. How so? :)
[21:44] <marus> hello, i have installed dailty build, how can i know wich build i have, and if i'm uptodate
[21:56] <krytarik> marus: 1.) '/var/log/installer/media-info', 2.) Just update as usual.
[23:39] <Oderus> hi, when i boot up and log in my volume "thing" doesnt show up on the bar, i have to log out and then back in and then it appears. any ideas or anyone know what causes it to appear in the first place so I can kill and restart the task instead of re-logging? (KUbuntu btw)
[23:43] <Oderus> i turned the option on under input devices>keyboard, the option to have numblock on by default is checked, but remains off
[23:45] <Oderus> second input was a mistake


[11:17] <daftykins> happy Saturday all \o
[12:16] <zxm-pi> o/
[12:25] <penguin42> yaaaawwwwnnnnn - my music player is playing Santana's Guajira which is certainly helping
[12:26] <daftykins> :D
[13:11]  * penguin42 looks at the way the fedora installer has built his lvm and hmm
[13:12] <penguin42> it's done small partition->md->lvm  rather than  big partition->lvm->lvm raid1
[13:17]  * penguin42 does unspeakable things with fdisk and pvmove
[13:58] <penguin42> seems to have worked; https://paste.centos.org/view/25deae25
[14:55] <penguin42> daftykins: What are your preferred flavours of ether card, and do you need any other PCI cards?
[15:06] <penguin42> daftykins: http://www.treblig.org/daveG/pcicards.jpg  one of those should do
[15:12] <zxm-pi> when i stored cards not in use. i use to attach a paperback sized piece of cardboard with a rubber band so that they were isolated from one another
[15:12] <zxm-pi> storing them loose them loose like that makes my ocd twitchy :-)
[15:14] <penguin42> that's probably fair; although probably better than a big pile; this is a convenient PSU box
[16:09] <daftykins> penguin42: any Intel Pro 10/100 or 3com 3C905-TX ones should be good
[16:10] <zxm-pi> 3c905-tx... there's a name i haven't seen in a long time...
[16:10] <daftykins> :)
[16:11] <zxm-pi> we used ne2000 compatible jobbies... i can still remember the dipswitches for irq5 base 320h :-)
[16:12] <daftykins> hehe
[16:30] <daftykins> just visited wealthy client's new HQ, none of the telephone DP is labelled :| https://i.imgur.com/HXYuXog.jpg
[16:33] <zxm-pi> labeling wires costs extra :-P
[16:34] <daftykins> means muggins here will be forced to pick up a tone generator and work out which cable runs to each room... if i can't convince the client to move to all IP phones
[16:44] <daftykins> opened up my backpack before heading out earlier and discovered a blueberry muffin i'd forgotten about :D what a great surprise
[16:45] <zxm-pi> someting similar happened once to me onsite. but all i found was a 3week old banana sandwich. i drank it anyway :-D
[16:45] <daftykins> xD
[17:00] <penguin42> daftykins: Any idea what the difference is between a 3c905c and a 3c905cx ?
[17:00] <daftykins> hmm let's have a look
[17:01] <penguin42> daftykins: and is i82550ey OK for Intel - I think that's a Pro/100s
[17:02] <penguin42> the 3c905cx looks about 5 years newer
[17:03] <daftykins> can't work anything out between the two 3coms from a cursory glance, looks like wikipedia has a snap of the intel - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Intel_PRO100_S.png
[17:04] <penguin42> yeh that's the Intel
[17:05] <daftykins> i wonder if it's got built-in support, because the intel download page seems to only speak of drivers for Linux and DOS
[17:07] <penguin42> e100's have been about since adam was a lad
[17:07] <daftykins> :D
[17:07] <daftykins> yeah i bet it's easy to get going in many situations, the intel
[17:08] <daftykins> do you have anything of that vintage to try them out in to verify they're alive at all?
[17:12] <daftykins> i think the intel might win it
[17:15] <penguin42> just tested both on f34 on the machine I was using when this Ryzen died; f34 sees both and pings
[17:15] <daftykins> :D
[17:15] <penguin42> early i7 with one PCI slot
[17:15] <penguin42> [which hadn't been used in the 12 years I'd had it]
[17:15] <daftykins> xD
[17:15] <daftykins> sounds great, thanks for checking those out :)
[17:16] <daftykins> did you say his address looked complete, or is it worth my sending you a copy anyway just in case?
[17:19] <penguin42> please send me it
[17:22] <daftykins> sorted
[17:23] <penguin42> got it
[17:41]  * penguin42 redirects via configuring printer on newly reinstalled machine to be able to print the royal mails qr code postage
[17:41] <daftykins> ooh high tech
[17:43] <penguin42> 1st time I've used it
[17:43] <penguin42> (the print stamp thing)
[17:44] <daftykins> mm, good alternative with things as they are
[17:52] <penguin42> right, I've bought books of standard stamps from the postoffice, but not done one of these before
[17:52] <penguin42> daftykins: OK, all jified up with label and stuff, I'll drop it in a postbox on Monday
[17:52] <daftykins> magic! thanks :)
[17:53] <daftykins> i best warn him of my evil plans now i suppose
[17:57] <penguin42> you're collecting a whole kit from dozens of people aren't you?
[17:59] <daftykins> lol, nah just hoping for some RAM from a pal in Canada eventually too, but really i have so much work on i don't have a chance to muck about with that Pentium III Dell
[17:59] <daftykins> ok time to put some food on
[18:00] <penguin42> oh, you should have said, I probably have some somewhere
[18:02] <penguin42> although I'd be less confident of finding that
[18:21] <daftykins> that's cool, he already did a lot of testing and what not - just waiting to bug him about it again :D
[19:49] <penguin42> daftykins: Righty, arctive liquid freezer ii 280 ordered
[19:50] <daftykins> air is fiiiiine ;)
[19:53] <penguin42> daftykins: Next week, we see the scientific experiment of difference in temp
[19:55] <daftykins> :D
[22:26] <daftykins> to bed!