[04:11] <ubotu> In ubotu, vocx said: case is Everything in Unix and Linux is case sensitive
[07:08] <MTecknology> anybody around?
[07:09] <MTecknology> I don't know where to report it, but could somebody maybe take a look at http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatIsubuntu/releases ? I get the message "You are not authorized to access this page."
[07:12] <Hobbsee> (dealt with)
[07:34] <Myrtti> logs?
[07:37] <Hobbsee> hm?
[07:43] <Myrtti> nothing
[08:30] <Tm_T> laa
[08:36] <jussio1> dee
[09:54] <Hobbsee> vistakiller...known?
[09:56] <Tm_T> yes
[09:56] <Hobbsee> good?  bad?
[10:30] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: both :))
[10:30] <Tm_T> quite ok what I've seen
[10:30] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: what's about?
[11:06] <Myrtti> hello noober, how can we help you today
[11:08] <elkbuntu> noober, this isnt a channel for chatting or idling, so please state your issue
[11:57] <jussio1> hello LjL-Temp
[11:57] <LjL-Temp> hi
[13:36] <Soms> Any ops around?
[13:36] <LjL-Temp> yes
[13:36] <LjL-Temp> how can i help you?
[13:36] <Soms> Mind unbanning neopsyche so he could apologise?
[13:36] <Soms> He'd like to apologise for his behavior.
[13:36] <Soms> Not too bad, how is your easter?
[13:37] <LjL-Temp> i can unban him from here, yes, but i'll warn that apologies won't necessarily help very much
[13:37] <Soms> I understand.
[13:37] <Hobbsee> oh, there you go
[13:38] <neopsyche>  I just rememberd that IRC here is logged. I fear my entire image on here and possibly in general has been tarnished now because of comments I made out of frustration .. I have learned my lesson but feel my attitude even though not all that bad has completely ruined things as nobody will help me and I am permanently banned it seems.
[13:39]  * Soms waves
[13:39] <Soms> Happy Easter all.
[13:39] <neopsyche> I dont even want to use this nick anymore.
[13:39] <LjL-Temp> neopsyche: few bans are permanent
[13:39] <neopsyche> I am going to read the rules now.
[13:39] <neopsyche> I feel sick about this entire situation.
[13:40] <neopsyche> The Ubuntu community is a good thing to be involved in and I dont want to be excluded from that.
[13:40] <LjL-Temp> neopsyche, reading the rules is certainly a good start
[13:41] <neopsyche> I have even tried phoning dennis kaarsemaker to apologise.
[13:41] <neopsyche> diddnt get through.
[13:41] <Seveas> neopsyche, my phine is switched off and I definitely don't appreciate unsollicted phonecalls
[13:42] <neopsyche> apologies for that too then.
[13:42] <neopsyche> I dont know what else to say.
[13:43] <Seveas> also be glad it's easter and I'm in a good mood. I demolished some old furniture from my mother in law. I've unbanned you but please behave
[13:46] <neopsyche> Thank you, hope you enjoy the rest of your day.  This entire experience has been very humbling.
[14:03] <elkbuntu> is rayb0t a bot?
[14:04] <elkbuntu> er, rayb0t_
[14:28] <pleia2> -!- emma [n=emma@unaffiliated/emma] has left #ubuntu-women ["Check out ##club-ubuntu"]
[14:29] <pleia2> appears she's now choosing to spam in /part messages (ugh)
[14:29] <Hobbsee> pleia2: another piece of spam.  Thanks for reporting it.
[14:29] <elkbuntu> thanks pleia2
[14:29] <pleia2> np
[14:29] <Hobbsee> so, uh, how long will we let her continue to get away with it for?
[14:31] <elkbuntu> i wonder why she only quit there?
[14:39] <Hobbsee> unsure.
[14:39] <Hobbsee> either way, i'm getting really sick of her spamming, and consistently wanting not to change.
[14:40] <elkbuntu> or, constantly wanting us to change how we would and do treat anyone else doing the same thing
[16:33] <MrUnagi> i was just wondering if i am still banned from #kubuntu or if i wasnt banned from there on this connection......i would rather not be accused of ban evading again
[16:50] <fdoving> MrUnagi: your ban matches the .comcast.net connection. not your current one.
[16:52] <MrUnagi> does that mean that i should leave until my ban is lifted on my other connections?
[16:53] <fdoving> i don't think bans are automatically lifted. so that could take a while :)
[16:53] <MrUnagi> i notice that i am still banned in the other channels which is why i was wondering
[16:53] <fdoving> what did you do?
[16:54] <MrUnagi> i was accused of ban evading which wasnt true and when i tried to explain i was laughed at and banned from here........so i was irate and flamed in each channel until i got my point across
[16:55] <Myrtti> until you got your point across... irate, flamed, unsolicited pm
[16:55] <MrUnagi> im not denying any wrong doing i did after i was wronged myself
[16:55] <MrUnagi> and i never did
[16:57] <fdoving> anyway i don't think it's up to every irc user to check if there are any bans matching their current host at any given time.
[16:57] <fdoving> behaving and not be banned is what users should do. :)
[16:57] <MrUnagi> im just making sure that if i stay in kubuntu, that i am not accused of ban evading as i was before
[16:58] <MrUnagi> i would love to  not be banned........i came in here as requested to ask for my initial ban to bbe lifted when i was accused of ban evading
[16:58] <fdoving> asking for anything in this channel usually is pointless.
[16:58] <MrUnagi> i was told to come back after 2 days to request a ban lift
[17:09] <jrib> immediate ban on the rickroll wasn't too much was it?
[17:18] <Seveas> neh
[17:18] <ikonia> is he a known issue ?
[17:18] <ikonia> I've never seen the nick
[17:19] <nikrud> usually known as unagi if it's the same guy
[17:20] <ikonia> ahhhh
[17:20] <ikonia> in that case jrib "no"
[17:20] <Seveas> I've just been rickrolled as well
[17:20] <Seveas> mtv-like channel in NL just aired the video as a part of a "90's top 25" :)
[17:22]  * nikrud is culturally deprived: Had never heard of Rick Astley till now
[17:22] <Seveas> tsss
[17:23] <ikonia> nikrud: where are you based ?
[17:23] <nikrud> los angeles
[17:23] <ikonia> ahhh yes, Rick never made it out of uk
[17:24] <nikrud> recently; lived up and down the west coast, all the major cities at one time or the other
[17:24] <Seveas> he made it to mainland europe
[17:24] <ikonia> Seveas: no way
[17:24] <Seveas> way
[17:24] <ikonia> Seveas: I thought we banned him with shame
[17:25] <Seveas> I got chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiils
[17:25] <Seveas> they're multiplying
[17:25]  * nikrud goes off to get edumacated
[17:25]  * Seveas ♥ 90's music :)
[17:26] <nikrud> hm, firefox is freezing the youtube video. Maybe it knows something I don't?
[17:27] <ikonia> it's protecting you
[17:29] <MrUnagi> so when exactly were my bans to be lifted?
[17:31] <nikrud> MrUnagi you need to talk to the person who actually banned you.
[17:31] <MrUnagi> lol if it wasnt ljl im not to incredibly sure who it was.........and if it was the same person on each connection
[17:34] <nalioth> MrUnagi: after this:<PHONE_NUMBER> 11:54 < MrUnagi> i was accused of ban evading which wasnt true and when i tried to explain i was laughed at and banned from here........so i was irate and flamed in each channel until i got my point across                 I suspect it'll be awhile
[17:34] <MrUnagi> why?
[17:34] <MrUnagi> thats exactly what happened...
[17:35] <MrUnagi> did i say something wrong?
[17:35] <nalioth> two wrongs don't make one right
[17:35] <MrUnagi> i never said i was right...
[17:37] <MrUnagi> who do i find out who to inquire about a ban lift
[17:38] <MrUnagi> er how rather
[17:42] <nalioth> as was mentioned, the banning op will have to figure it out
[17:43] <MrUnagi> do you know who banned me on each connection?
[17:43] <Myrtti> you do realize that you should've come here to ask your ban lifted BEFORE going to the channels you were banned from and THEN come to make sure it's not treated as ban evading
[17:43] <MrUnagi> i did
[17:43] <MrUnagi> that is when i was laughed at
[17:44] <MrUnagi> and then banned from here
[17:44] <Myrtti> since it, to be totally honest, is probably what it's going to be interpreted as
[17:44] <MrUnagi> i came in here very nice and respectful accepting that i went against coc and  have learned that microsoft discussions are against o4o and asked if my ban may be lifted, i was then accused of ban evading
[17:45] <Myrtti> and ban evading usually prolongs the original ban
[17:45] <Myrtti> and causes the evading host to be also banned
[17:45] <MrUnagi> which is understandable if i actually ban evaded....
[17:46] <Myrtti> your words, not mine
[17:46] <MrUnagi> i said i was accused of ban evading........i never said that i did because i didnt
[17:50] <Myrtti> but you're on #kubuntu now?
[17:50] <MrUnagi> which is what brought me here with my initial question that is still unanswered
[17:51] <Myrtti> as I said, it's probably going to be interpreted as ban evading
[17:51] <Myrtti> I sure would
[17:51] <MrUnagi> what exactly is 'ban evading'
[17:52] <MrUnagi> since i am obviously confused
[17:52] <Myrtti> you know you're not allowed to go into a channel, and do so anyway, using another connection, nick, whatnot.
[17:53] <MrUnagi> konversation is set and has always set and will always be set to automatically go to my usual channels
[17:55] <Myrtti> what I'd suggest you should do now is to, as a sign of good will, leave #kubuntu and the other channels you're not supposed to be on, and wait for the op who banned you to come online and answer your questions
[17:56] <MrUnagi> i left the channel already, and again.......i do not know who banned me on each connection
[17:56] <Myrtti> well, who banned you the first time?
[17:56] <Myrtti> the original connection
[17:56] <MrUnagi> ljl
[17:57] <Myrtti> then I think it's up to him to make a decision
[17:57] <MrUnagi> so its soley his decision?
[17:57] <Myrtti> well not entirely
[17:58] <MrUnagi> thats good........because in all of this he violated the code of conduct as well
[17:58] <Myrtti> I know I'm not making any decisions since I don't know everything
[17:58] <MrUnagi> so id rather an op that can follow coc be the one to make decisions
[17:59] <Myrtti> that's a strong accusation there
[17:59] <Myrtti> I wouldn't go tossing it around that lightly
[17:59] <MrUnagi> he knows he did because he appologized
[19:47] <theunixgeek_> For some reason I can't join #ubuntu-fr.
[19:47] <theunixgeek_> Am I blocked or something?
[19:50] <nalioth> theunixgeek_: almost the right channel
[19:50] <nalioth>  #ubuntu-irc svp
[20:06] <ikonia> LjL-Temp: your a wanted man
[20:06] <LjL-Temp> ikonia: i'm afraid i know
[20:06] <ikonia> ha ha
[20:06] <ikonia> unlucky
[20:07]  * jussio1 hugs LjL-Temp
[20:09] <ikonia> LjL-Temp: got a moment for a pm ?
[20:09] <LjL-Temp> let me check my agenda
[20:09] <LjL-Temp> yes, i think so
[20:10] <ikonia> ta
[20:12] <Tm_T> hi kids
[20:13] <jussio1> hei isi :)
[20:13] <Myrtti> :->
[20:16] <ubotu> zwnj called the ops in #ubuntu-ir ()
[20:19] <ubotu> ebrahim called the ops in #ubuntu-ir ()
[20:20] <nalioth> they've got their own bot, which responds to ( guess what ) !commands
[20:21] <LjL-Temp> which one should be kept? theirs, i assume
[20:21] <nalioth> yep
[20:24] <mohi> LjL-Temp: when would you send ubotu back to #ubuntu-ir ?
[20:25] <LjL-Temp> eh?
[20:25] <LjL-Temp> make up your mind
[20:25] <nalioth> mohi: i've answered that question in #ubuntu-ir
[20:25] <mohi> nalioth: aha! ty ;)
[20:29] <mohi> LjL-Temp: we solves the problem. please bring ubotu back :)
[20:29] <mohi> nalioth: ^
[20:29] <mohi> solved*
[20:29] <mohi> tanx :)
[20:38] <mohi> does ubotu supports "seen" ?
[20:38] <Pici> no.
[20:38] <Pici> /msg seenserv help    <-
[20:38] <mohi> aha! ty  Pici :)
[21:01] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ir, Siavash said: !forget test
[21:12] <ompaul> Seveas, <ebrahim> ompaul, can you remove @ sensitivity of ubotu for #ubuntu-ir?
[21:12] <ompaul> can that be done?
[21:12] <ompaul> that ubotu will not react to @ in that channel?
[21:12] <Seveas> no
[21:12] <ompaul> thought as much but had to ask
[21:12] <ompaul> thanks
[21:23] <ikonia> hey hey ompaul
[21:23] <ompaul> thats me
[22:40] <ubotu> In #kubuntu-devel, travlr said: ubotu: thanks. is it up to date for KDE4 though?
[22:40] <LjL-Temp> ubotu is a bot, travlr :)


[16:01] <subthalamus> I just installed edubuntu from DVD onto old T30 stinkpad
[16:02] <subthalamus> I knew I should have checked the box for gnome during install
[16:02] <subthalamus> unity doesn't load, u just login to a blank wallpaper
[16:03] <subthalamus> should I bother with trying to find a different video driver or is unity not customized for edubuntu? (in which case I hate it)
[16:04] <subthalamus> can I avoid rerunning the entire install?
[16:04] <subthalamus> to get gnome?
[16:06] <alkisg> sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
[16:06] <alkisg> And select it from the lightdm menu
[16:07] <subthalamus> alkisg: thanks
[16:07] <subthalamus> could u offer some advice on the other questions?
[16:10] <alkisg> About video driver? Which graphics card does it have?
[16:42] <subthalamus> sorry for delay, tending to a bunch of kids at the same time :(
[16:42] <subthalamus>  RV200 [Mobility Radeon 7500]
[16:44] <subthalamus> alkisg
[17:00] <subthalamus> alkisg: just fyi, PEBCAK error, gnome-session-fallback was already installed so I just logged in with that...
[17:47] <alkisg> Cool, sorry for the delay, tending to a bunch of kids + a bunch of dogs :D


[00:54] <Sprocks> anyone able to help with an apparent grub issue? when I reboot/boot my ubuntu server the grub menu just sits there until I go to it and hit enter
[01:08] <patdk-lap> Sprocks, one of two issues
[01:08] <patdk-lap> either grub yelled that something wasn't supported
[01:08] <patdk-lap> or grub didn't boot right last time, so it's waiting for manual confirmation
[01:09] <Sprocks> how will I know if something isn't supported?
[01:10] <patdk-lap> stuff like
[01:10] <patdk-lap> Warning: /dev/mapper/root is a crypto device, which GRUB cannot read directly.  Some necessary modules may be missing from /boot/grub/grub.cfg.  You may need to list them in GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES in /etc/default/grub.  See http://bugs.debian.org/542165 for details.
[01:10] <ninjix> does anyone have a example of a libvirt xml for direct kernel booting 12.04?
[01:11] <Sprocks> would that show on the screen?
[01:12] <ninjix> here's an example of the libivrt config I'm trying to use http://paste.ubuntu.com/1511459/
[01:13] <ninjix> it just comes up with a black screen
[01:14] <ninjix> don't see anything when I 'virsh console test1'
[01:22] <Sprocks> patdk-lap how/where would I see this warning?
[01:25] <Spanky> Any of the network geniuses here have an idea about the STP (Spanning Tree Protocol) setting in DD-WRT?
[01:26] <Spanky> To enable or disable?
[01:26] <sarnold> Spanky: funny enough I just read about STP in the brctl manpage...
[01:27] <Spanky> My old Cisco / Linksys WRVS 4400N at the home office crapped the bed entirely this morning and gave up the ghost.
[01:27] <sarnold> Spanky: the gist is, it is a standardized way for you to have loops in your ethernet and the switches can figure out the correct paths between themselves without going nuts
[01:27] <sarnold> (in the past, loops were a definite no-no)
[01:28] <lifeless> still are :P
[01:28] <sarnold> so, if you've got loops, _and_ all your switches do STP, you'll definitely want it.
[01:28] <sarnold> if you've got loops and at least one switch doesn't do STP, you'll be in a world of hurt
[01:28] <lifeless> Spanky: turn STP on unless you have no other switches (including any virtualised inside linux servers) on the same l2 network.
[01:28] <Spanky> Is a looped switch like an ethernet cable going from Switch A to B and then another cable going from Switch B to A?
[01:29] <lifeless> Spanky: yes
[01:29] <sarnold> if you don't have loops, it won't matter much.
[01:29] <Spanky> Kind of like a snake eating its own tail?
[01:30] <Spanky> Who the heck would do that - "looping" that is?  I have some switches that "cascade" from other switches but that's about it...
[01:31] <Spanky> So it's not a real risky setting that will bring my network to its knees or anything?
[01:32] <sarnold> right
[01:32] <sarnold> I'd turn it on
[01:33] <Spanky> Thanks for the advice guys.
[01:34] <sarnold> oh, wow, STP apparently can take 30-50 seconds to respond to topology changes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanning_tree_protocol
[01:34] <sarnold> I had assumed it'd be quicker :)
[01:34] <lifeless> nah
[01:34] <lifeless> the timers are there for propogation and retransmits
[01:35] <lifeless> its -super- noticable when it kicks in
[01:35] <Spanky> But a topology change would be like a new switch or new wireless access point or something like that right?
[01:35] <lifeless> right
[01:35] <lifeless> plug a new switch into a production network with STP on all its ports and everything stops for 30 seconds while it learns.
[01:36] <Spanky> Would a wireless device like a laptop, android device, or a wired device like a new thin web server or something cause a 30-50 second delay, too?
[01:37] <lifeless> no to all three
[01:37] <lifeless> unless they start emitting STP frames
[01:37] <lifeless> easy way to cause havoc if you are a troublemaker :)
[01:38] <sarnold> hehe
[02:09] <Spanky> Thanks for the response.  Sorry, got an important phone call...
[02:59] <adam_g> jamespage: fyi--just stuff 3 reviews in the juju queue for the live migration stuff
[03:05] <blkperl> theres an interesting discussion on the mailing list that others may want to chime in on: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2013-January/006459.html
[03:05] <blkperl> about plymouth on ubuntu server installs
[05:31] <blag> where is the rndc.conf file supposed to be? is it at /etc/rndc.conf or /etc/bind9/rndc.conf ?
[08:59] <negev> hi, i just installed a grub update on a server with software raid and it's segfaulting trying to install to /dev/md1, do i need a special parameter or something?  it's grub-install (GRUB) 1.99-21ubuntu3.7
[09:24] <ed8> Hi there, I wish to install an ubuntu server (12.04) on a HP Proliant BL460c G6, but it's not list as supported here : http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/linux/hplinuxcert-canonical.html#matrix.html nor in http://is.gd/TrOjkJ
[09:25] <SuperMatt> well, stick in a live cd or live usb and see if it works
[09:25] <SuperMatt> if it does, installing it will be fine
[09:26] <ed8> SuperMatt: it's a remote server, for a planned install. I'm preparing whatever I need before doing the install
[11:22] <SuperMatt> dear #ubuntu-server, I am writing because I would like to know if PHP5.4 will ever be in backports for 12.04. Regards, Matthew
[11:27] <thealmand> Please forgive my ignorance. I had some questions about hosting a site. I played around a little with a second layer domain and am ready to take the plunge and buy and domain but don't want to have to "register" it I can do it myself. Know any good books lol
[11:29] <thealmand> I like to find my own answers but Google is really trying to sell me in this one....
[11:37] <SuperMatt> sorry, I'm a little confused
[11:37] <SuperMatt> you want to buy a domain, right?
[11:44] <greppy> thealmand: you have to pay a registrar for a domain name, personally I suggest http://hover.com.  Straight forward, don't try to upsell you on every mouse click, good prices.
[11:59] <jamespage> zul, quantum just started using alembic for db migrations - I'm taking a look now
[12:11] <zul> jamespage: wtf....why would they do it before g2
[12:12] <jamespage> zul, it wants 0.4.1 - just updating the package now
[12:12] <jamespage> it landed today
[12:13] <zul> stilll..
[13:45] <zul> lifeless: ping....did you cut a newer testrepository?
[13:48] <zul> jamespage: since alembic is being used now does the configuration files need to be updated?
[13:48] <jamespage> zul, hrm - maybe
[13:49] <jamespage> I'm not sure TBH
[13:49] <jamespage> zul, are you referring to the patch we carry for rootwrap and sql_connection defaults?
[13:50] <zul> yeah
[13:50] <zul> Daviey:  ping did you have a look at python-pecan and python-ceilometerclient
[13:52] <Daviey> zul: nein
[13:57] <koolhead17> jamespage: so you did testing of quantum with tunnel mode i suppose
[13:57] <jamespage> koolhead17, yep
[13:58] <koolhead17> jamespage: am trying vlan mode let me see how far i reach :)
[14:28] <Daviey> http://blog.picloud.com/2013/01/08/when-ec2-hardware-changes-underneath-you/
[14:30] <zul> Daviey: see ec2 is evil
[14:38] <eagles0513875_> hey guys how often by default does ubuntu run ntpd to sync time or does one need to set a cron job for that?
[14:40] <Daviey> eagles0513875_: by default, it happens as a hard blow on interface up.
[14:40] <Daviey> eagles0513875_: you probably want to install ntp for gradual sync
[14:41] <eagles0513875_> Daviey: i was going to setup a cronjob for ntpd as for some reason when time gets out of sync on the server postfix and dovecot throw hissy fits in sending emails it seems
[14:41] <ikonia> that's not how you use ntpd
[14:41] <ikonia> cron depends on time......ntpd manages time....do you see the problem ?
[14:42] <eagles0513875_> actually yes i do
[14:42] <ikonia> and of course mail may go mad if time is out of sync.....time stamps /future/past can cause problems for the target mail serers
[14:42] <Daviey> eagles0513875_: just sudo apt-get install ntp .. then go home :)
[14:42] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: i have noticed that and running sudo ntpd seems to have solved the problem. does ntp function with a configuration file that has it run every so often?
[14:43] <eagles0513875_> Daviey: its already installed just not sure how often it is run and this server doesnt get rebooted too often
[14:43] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: I suggest researching ntp - the ntp daemon should be running 24x7 and sync within a certain drift range
[14:43] <patdk-wk> in my case, removing ntpdate from ifup helps a crapload too
[14:43] <Daviey> eagles0513875_: Are you /certain/ it is installed?  by default, we only install ntpdate
[14:43] <patdk-wk> nothing like 30+ copies of ntpdate running at boot :(
[14:43] <ikonia> if a drift is greater than 5 minuts, ntpd will not sync time
[14:43] <maxb> NTP is designed to run continuously, *not* just occasionally re-step the clock
[14:43] <ikonia> so you need to manually sync the clock to less than 5 minute drift and then maintain ntp
[14:43] <eagles0513875_> Daviey: yes according to apt-cache policy its showing installed
[14:44] <eagles0513875_> ok
[14:45] <eagles0513875_> will do some reading on ntp
[14:45] <ikonia> maybe doing research before trying to run these things is a better step
[14:46] <jamespage> zul, Daviey: any reason why I should not bump python-mock up to 1.0.1?  who would know best?
[14:47] <zul> jamespage: no reason for me
[14:47] <zul> doko maybe?
[14:50] <hallyn> well that was weird.  ssh agent seemed (on raring) in a funky state.  only had one key in it, but had to ssh-add -D and reload it
[14:51] <Daviey> jamespage: Seems wise to me TBH
[15:00] <tdelam> I am having an issue I can't figure out why it is happening and what I can do to figure it out. My Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS keeps dropping connection sporadically, it has 2 networks cards in it so I configured the second one and changed to that one and it is still happening, I am using aa static internal address. What could it be or how could I pinpoint this issue?
[15:01] <tdelam> The servers purpose is simply a web proxy for a web server so it's not overloaded or anything remotely close to that, infact only 3% of it's available resources are used up :)
[15:09] <jamespage> Daviey, zul: that fixes the quantum build failures; I'm just testing the rbd's
[15:09] <zul> jamespage:  ack...can you find out the reverse depends on python-mock and see what it effects
[15:09] <jamespage> zul, testing those right now
[15:15] <lifeless> zul: slipped, sorry. Near top of pile now
[15:15] <zul> lifeless:  cool...i got the testsuite running now thanks for the help
[15:50] <Daviey> adam_g: i added a cronjob for the grizzly report, is it correct? http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/grizzly_versions.html
[15:55] <Myrtti> robbiew: https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/14635
[15:56] <robbiew> huh?
[16:04] <blag> I think my bind server (recompiled from apt-get source with --with-dlz-postgres option) is crashing when I run a "dig @localhost" command - how do I set the debug level for named and where to log its output?
[16:04] <blag> ...sorry, that should be "dig @localhost example.com" command
[16:51] <hallyn> zul: d'oh!  the qemu package for raring depends on an ipxe package which i forgot to ask you to push.
[16:52] <hallyn> zul: (which i don't have permission to push)
[16:52] <hallyn> zul: it's https://launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+archive/crossc/+files/ipxe_1.0.0%2Bgit-4.d6b0b76-0ubuntu1ppa1.dsc (substituting 1ppa in the version in changelog for 2)
[16:53] <hallyn> ((that is, 0ubuntu1ppa1 becomes 0ubuntu2, of course)
[17:03] <hallyn> sigh, wish i had held off on the changes to /etc/init/qemu-kvm.conf
[17:05] <TheLordOfTime> how can i create a local apt mirror, and what spec(s) am i going to need for it?
[17:05] <jpds> TheLordOfTime: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[17:05] <tgm4883> TheLordOfTime, depends on what you want to use it for
[17:06] <tgm4883> eg. public vs private mirror
[17:06] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, private mirror
[17:06] <tgm4883> TheLordOfTime, full mirror or partial?
[17:06] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, difference?
[17:06] <tgm4883> eg. all ubuntu releases, or only some
[17:07] <tgm4883> For our private mirror at work, I only mirror 12.04
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, precise and later.
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, needs precise, quantal, raring, and likely later
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> althoug hcome April a full mirror may be more prudent.
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, short term i need precise and quantal
[17:08] <tgm4883> well for a full mirror (with I assume less maintenance), you would just use rsync
[17:08] <tgm4883> here, I use apt-mirror
[17:09] <tgm4883> I say the other is less maintenance because you are just doing a full sync, where with apt-mirror, I have to tell it what releases I want
[17:09] <tgm4883> TheLordOfTime, How much space do you have?
[17:10] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, how much'll i need minimum?
[17:10] <tgm4883> 550GB for a full mirror according to the wiki
[17:10] <TheLordOfTime> at least, just for precise
[17:10] <TheLordOfTime> (i'd like to get Quantal, but...)
[17:11] <tgm4883> looks like i'm using 88GB for precise
[17:11] <TheLordOfTime> 88GB is no issue, so assuming twice, 176GB maybe?
[17:11] <tgm4883> and that is also i386 and amd64 only
[17:11] <TheLordOfTime> which is all I need
[17:11] <tgm4883> TheLordOfTime, I'd say 200GB should be fine
[17:12] <tgm4883> Assuming that Quantal has more packages than Precise
[17:12] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[17:13] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, how do i configure the apt-mirror (for precise at least)?
[17:13] <tgm4883> TheLordOfTime, so once apt-mirror is installed, configure /etc/apt/mirror.list
[17:14] <tgm4883> ours looks like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1513561/
[17:14] <tgm4883> set the base path to where you want to store the stuff
[17:14] <TheLordOfTime> root-writable?
[17:14] <TheLordOfTime> or can it run in userspace
[17:14] <tgm4883> it runs as the user apt-mirror
[17:16] <tgm4883> oh, you'll need a webserver too
[17:16] <TheLordOfTime> oops i have to update my local server
[17:16] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, does nginx work?
[17:16] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[17:16] <tgm4883> TheLordOfTime, I'd assume anything that can serve up files would work
[17:17] <tgm4883> I just use apache and symlink the mirror to /var/www/ubuntu
[17:17] <TheLordOfTime> i can configure where nginx listens which makes life easy
[17:18] <TheLordOfTime> should probably update the system first :P
[17:18] <TheLordOfTime> (96 updates)
[17:19] <tgm4883> Not 100% sure that matters, but ok
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, a lot of it is security updates :P
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> which means i should update anyways
[17:19] <tgm4883> yes
[17:20] <tgm4883> Once you've mirrored everything, you'll need to point your clients to this server (you should probably point this server at itself too)
[17:20] <tgm4883> Now, depending on how large environment and what exactly you are trying to accomplish, squid-deb-proxy might work better
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> indeed.
[17:21] <tgm4883> which just caches packages that are requested
[17:21] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, small environment - 6 systems, plus 2 VMs.
[17:21] <tgm4883> hmm
[17:22] <RoyK> anyone that knows a good VoD solution that can work well in a large environment and has good content management? testing mediamosa now with sitebuilder, and it's got a few bad sides
[17:22] <tgm4883> what is the need for the mirror?
[17:22] <tgm4883> slow internet connection? Don't want to redownload the same packages repeatedly?
[17:22] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, the second one, as well as intermittent external connectivity
[17:23] <TheLordOfTime> at least, from the systems on that subnet
[17:23] <tgm4883> TheLordOfTime, ah ok, so yea a mirror is probably better then
[17:23] <tgm4883> You'll also want to edit /etc/cron.d/apt-mirror for when you want it to sync
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> which sync time would you suggest?
[17:24] <RoyK> once an hour?
[17:24] <tgm4883> Depends on how up to date you want to be?
[17:24] <tgm4883> I do it every 4 hours
[17:24] <tgm4883> RoyK, once an hour is probably overkill
[17:24] <RoyK> should suffice
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> uptodate daily may be more prudent - unattended-upgrades runs every 24 hours.
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> and pulls security updates
[17:24] <samba35> hi RoyK how are you
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> (I got to the machine before unattended-upgrades ran today)
[17:25] <RoyK> samba35: fine, thanks
[17:25] <samba35> was playing with openvswitch
[17:25] <samba35> understanding process
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, where should i pull data from for the mirror, any of the regional archives (such as one of the us archive mirrors)
[17:31] <tgm4883> TheLordOfTime, Unless you know of a fast local mirror, probably us.archive.u.c
[17:34] <hallyn> jamespage: hey - are you around?
[17:34] <jamespage> hallyn, yep
[17:35] <adam_g> Daviey: looks like its still pointed at the folsom repos?
[17:36] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, i may use the us.archive.u.c mirror, and i'll do every 6 hours for an update.
[17:36] <hallyn> jamespage: could I get you to push http://people.canonical.com/~serge/ipxe_1.0.0+git-4.d6b0b76-0ubuntu2.dsc ?
[17:36] <hallyn> jamespage: it just adds a qemu-ipxe package which the new qemu depends on
[17:37] <hallyn> (which it does as part of an attempt to minimize delta from debian)
[17:37] <hallyn> (much more to be done for that, in progress..)
[17:38] <jamespage> hallyn, dget fails to download it
[17:38] <hallyn> hm?
[17:38] <jamespage> hallyn, dget -u http://people.canonical.com/~serge/ipxe_1.0.0+git-4.d6b0b76-0ubuntu2.dsc
[17:38] <jamespage> can't get the .orig.tar.gz so bails
[17:39] <hallyn> jamespage: oh the orig.tar.gz from raring
[17:39] <hallyn> but i can push it if you prefer, one sec
[17:39] <hallyn> jamespage: pushed
[17:39] <jamespage> ta
[17:39] <hallyn> well... pushed, but rsync still hanging, hold on,
[17:40] <hallyn> i don't get why it goes to 100% then hangs for 2 mins
[17:40] <hallyn> (while sha1sums are still different, so it seems to still be writing)
[17:40] <hallyn> jamespage: ok, there, NOw done ;)
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, so i assume i point the systems on the subnet to the system that has apt-mirror on it.  where do i need to symlink for the http system to serve it right?
[17:50] <tgm4883> TheLordOfTime, IIRC, it's <basedir>/mirror/<mirror>/ubuntu
[17:50] <TheLordOfTime> what's its defaults?
[17:51] <TheLordOfTime> ... oop?
[17:51] <tgm4883> /var/lib/apt-mirror/mirror/us.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror I think
[17:51] <TheLordOfTime> segfault?
[17:51] <TheLordOfTime> o.O
[17:51] <TheLordOfTime> it says "Segmentation Fault", then dropped me to the shell o.O
[17:51] <tgm4883> hmm
[17:51]  * TheLordOfTime checks kernel logs
[17:52] <TheLordOfTime> ... again, memory errors?
[17:53]  * TheLordOfTime goes to order replacement RAM chips
[17:53] <TheLordOfTime> s/chips/modules/
[18:14] <TheBronx> hi all
[18:15] <TheBronx> is it normal to have thousands of messages like "r8169: eth0: link up" during a SYN flood attack?
[18:15] <TheBronx> what does "link up" means?
[18:15] <TheBronx> mean*
[18:17] <RoyK> TheBronx: it means the realtek driver detected the network link went up (probably just after it went down)
[18:18] <TheBronx> i have this message repeated a lot of times
[18:18] <TheBronx> even 20 or 30 per SECOND
[18:18] <RoyK> realtek NICs are rather infamous of small buffers, and rather bad hardware design in general
[18:18] <TheBronx> so, that's not normal, even under a flood attack of about 50Mbps
[18:19] <RoyK> haven't seen that
[18:19] <RoyK> but could you try with another NIC?
[18:19] <TheBronx> well, Im from spain, the server is in germany
[18:19] <TheBronx> :P
[18:20] <RoyK> virtual or physical?
[18:20] <TheBronx> physical, it is a dedicated server, from hetzner
[18:21] <hallyn> jamespage: did that dget all right?
[18:29] <TheBronx> I've sent a ticket to them explaining the problem. Lets see what they answer
[18:30] <TheBronx> after every attack I can't access the server until I manually restart it remotely
[18:31] <TheBronx> it seems the NIC doesn't "wake up" after the attack
[18:36] <TheBronx> Answer: we have many servers with that network chip and I am not aware of any
[18:36] <TheBronx> problems. However, most of our customers use CentOS Linux, so there
[18:36] <TheBronx> might be an issue with Ubuntu.
[18:36] <TheBronx> well, their customers are not being attacked probably xD
[18:42] <adam_g> win 22
[18:47] <TheBronx> is it possible that the link up error is caused by a wrong configuration in /etc/sysctl.conf??
[18:49] <sarnold> TheBronx: in my experience, spurious link up / link down messages point to failing cables, failing switches, etc.
[18:49] <TheBronx> this is my sysctl http://pastebin.com/HUk0RVip
[18:49] <sarnold> TheBronx: though you've got a unique experience, hehe
[18:50] <TheBronx> I will update my ubuntu 10.04 server
[18:50] <TheBronx> http://www.twm-kd.com/linux/realtek-rtl81688111e-and-ubuntu-linux/
[18:50] <TheBronx> it seems there is a bug in the driver
[18:50] <TheBronx> solved in ubuntu 12
[18:51] <sarnold> TheBronx: oh, wow.
[18:51] <TheBronx> is it a good idea? what do you think?
[18:53] <TheBronx> if it doesn't work I will move to a different server, I just can't do more
[18:54] <jamespage> hallyn: it did - sorry I've managed to crash into parenting duties for the evening; is tomorrow AM my time early enough?
[18:54] <TheBronx> is it a good idea? what do you think? sarnold?
[18:55] <sarnold> TheBronx: it seems like a good idea; even if it doesn't _work_, you'll at least be on newer software, with longer support.
[18:55] <hallyn> jamespage: ok, thx, ttyl
[18:57] <TheBronx> well, thank you guys, sarnold and RoyK, I will update everything and see what happens (and what crashes hehehe)
[18:59] <sarnold> TheBronx: hehe :) have fun, good luck
[19:30] <zul> hallyn: ixpe?
[19:30] <hallyn> zul: ipxe
[19:30] <zul> hallyn: what about it again?
[19:30] <hallyn> zul: i've asked jamespage to push it
[19:31] <zul> hallyn: oh sorry
[19:31] <hallyn> (he'll do it tomorrow - rugrat issues :)
[19:31] <hallyn> zul: np!  thanks - ttyl
[19:55] <keithzg> Any chance of newer qemu-kvm packages making it into 12.04? I'm desperate for the ability to use blockpull to merge back external snapshots, as one can do in the version in 12.10.
[19:56] <ikonia> doubtful
[19:58] <paco1> hello masters!
[19:58] <paco1> Anybody knows a good documentation to implement TSIG in my DNS in ubuntu 12.04?
[19:58] <paco1> thanks in advance!
[20:00] <keithzg> ikonia: that's what I thought . . . but that leaves me in a pretty tough place. The version of qemu-kvm in 12.04 can split VMs into external snapshots, but not collapse the chain, so incremental backup snapshots result in an ever-growing backing chain . . .
[20:00]  * keithzg is wary of upgrading important hosting a dozen VMs to a non-LTS release, though, so . . . sigh.
[20:03] <RoyK> keithzg: eh - no systems I know can combine snapshots
[20:03] <sarnold> keithzg: perhaps you could ask for a backport? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[20:04] <keithzg> sarnold: not a bad plan, not a bad plan a'tall
[20:05] <keithzg> RoyK: maybe not "combine" per se, but at least collapse the backing chain of external snapshot .qcow2 images. It's what the libvirt and qemu folks suggest, since over time an extremely long external chain will start showing performance issues for obvious reasons
[20:06] <tomVovo> hello everyone..
[20:06] <tomVovo> I need help
[20:06] <tomVovo> anyone help me?
[20:06] <keithzg> RoyK: AFAIK there's a nicer, fairly different method of snapshotting coming down the pipeline in qemu that'll do an end-run around these sorts of issues, but *that's* certainly never going to make it into 12.04, heh.
[20:07] <tomVovo> hello
[20:07] <tomVovo> I run my Ubuntu server apache 12.04 ...I have domain with godaddy.com...iT'S WONT CONNECT
[20:07] <tomVovo> HELP!
[20:08] <RoyK> keithzg: the good way is to snapshot at the lvm level, when that gets good - some patches are posted, but haven't been accepted yet
[20:08] <tomVovo> help!!!..
[20:08] <RoyK> the current lvm snapshot model isn't too scalable to say the least :P
[20:08] <RoyK> !ask | tomVovo
[20:09] <tomVovo> ok
[20:09] <ikonia> how do you expect people if you just join a channel saying "help, anyone help, help"
[20:11] <keithzg> RoyK: Heh. I'll admit, I have an irrational aversion to LVM---and at least in my case, the setup I've inherited is on some iSCSI shares where LVM wouldn't be an option anyways---but I don't doubt you're right
[20:16] <ikonia> tomVovo: ok, so the help isn't that urgent then as you've not said anything since being asked to provide information on the problem you have
[20:43] <TheBronx> hey, one question
[20:43] <TheBronx> if I upgrade ubuntu server from 10.04 to 12
[20:43] <TheBronx> via SSH
[20:43] <TheBronx> and the network driver updates
[20:44] <TheBronx> did the SSH connection crash?
[20:44] <TheBronx> will*
[20:44] <RoyK> you'll have to reboot, and after the reboot, it'll probably work
[20:44] <RoyK> *probably*
[20:44] <RoyK> because some issues may come up, some driver may not work etc
[20:45] <TheBronx> will the upgrade process cancel?
[20:45] <RoyK> no, the upgrade process will continue and probably finish until you reboot
[20:45] <RoyK> after the reboot, there's always a chance of something going wrong
[20:45] <RoyK> not a big chance, but still
[20:45] <TheBronx> ok, that's not a problem, I will backup the data
[20:46] <TheBronx> I just was worried about the upgrade process cancelling
[20:46] <RoyK> if you have a good backup, and can live with some downtime, no problem
[20:46] <RoyK> it'll open up a secondary port for ssh for the upgrade
[20:46] <TheBronx> well, after 5 days of continued DDoS downtime is not going to be a problem
[20:46] <TheBronx> xDDDDDD
[20:46] <RoyK> usually it won't cut that port
[20:46] <RoyK> never seen that happen
[20:46] <TheBronx> ok, thank you again RoyK!
[20:47] <RoyK> never seen 22/tcp cut either
[20:47] <RoyK> that is, never used the secondary port
[20:47] <shauno> I like to use screen and plan on it kicking me off.  it never seems to do it if I'm ready for it
[20:49] <RoyK> shauno: did screen kick you out, or did the ssh session die?
[20:50] <RoyK> shauno: tmux is a newer thing simiar to screen, some say better, but it won't help much if the ssh session times out - then you need just ssh keepalives
[20:51] <shauno> neither; I mean if I'm prepared for it to go wrong, it doesn't break.  if I'm not prepared, it's inevitable
[20:52] <RoyK> hehe
[21:55] <phillw> Hi guys, is my theory correct in using the server iso (13.04) about the nearest we can get to the mini-iso that produces a ubuntu type system upon which a DE can be further installed if we select no additional tools?
[21:59] <justizin> hey guys i have a machine whose grub menu i need to get into via the serial console, i don't think shift-down works, i have done it before but my google fu is failing.  anyone got a notion handy of how i can get in?
[22:02] <sw0rdfish> uhh, how do I start znc in screen mode, and detach and re-attach at will?
[22:04] <sarnold> justizin: wild-guess-land: send a break?
[22:05] <sarnold> sw0rdfish: check the screen manpage, look for ^A d (to detach) and screen -RAD (to reattach) -- no idea about znc specifically
[22:05] <justizin> worth a shot. :)
[22:06] <justizin> maybe i fixed this last time by mounting the damned thing to a netbooted nfsroot.
[22:07] <sw0rdfish> hmmm
[22:14] <keithzg> philw: does the net install image not still exist? I'd imagine that'd be the closest, actually.
[22:15] <keithzg> phillw, I mean
[22:15] <jcastro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[22:15] <jcastro> it exists
[22:16] <phillw> keithzg: at the moment, there is https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077158
[22:16] <phillw> which seems a lonely bug, but blocking
[22:18] <linuxman> Is running a Ubuntu server with Desktop GUI good?
[22:18] <linuxman> I am used to gui..
[22:19] <TheLordOfTime> linuxman, i run a netbook that runs as a fileserver for my network via a GUI
[22:19] <linuxman> i was expecting people to laugh at me
[22:19] <TheLordOfTime> installed Lubuntu to start with, then installed the server packages.  so sort of the opposite of what you're at, but...
[22:19] <linuxman> hehe
[22:19] <TheLordOfTime> linuxman, BUT
[22:20] <TheLordOfTime> you need to be aware of something: ssh != remote desktop enviromnet.
[22:20] <linuxman> yes
[22:20] <TheLordOfTime> as well, the GUI'll tax your RAM/system, so if you don't have a lot of RAM, you'll need to reconsider installation of the gui
[22:21] <linuxman> 10-18 CPU usage, 255MB RAM used out of 512MB
[22:21] <linuxman> my PC is OK about this, I run it in VM
[22:22] <keithzg> phillw: ah, I see I see, no netboot for Raring.
[22:22] <linuxman> i got OpenSSH, LAMP install, how do i manage them?
[22:22] <keithzg> phillw: you could always just use the 12.10 netbook, manually upgrade to raring, and go from there
[22:22] <linuxman> can i access them via GUI, as well as command line?
[22:23] <keithzg> phillw: err, 12.10 netboot I mean
[22:23] <TheLordOfTime> linuxman, unfortunately for you for those... no real gui configuration tools
[22:23] <TheLordOfTime> except for webmin which i strongly DO NOT advise you use.
[22:24] <linuxman> why not?
[22:24] <TheLordOfTime> because i hate guis for server management
[22:24]  * justizin hangs head in shame over defeatist "just mount with netboot nfsroot" solution
[22:25] <linuxman> ok but how do i navigate with command line? i mean how do i configure OpenSSH, LAMP etc.. I am used into having GUI and command line..
[22:26] <keithzg> justizin: what works, works
[22:26]  * TheLordOfTime has to disappear to fix a misbehaving server at a datacenter down the road
[22:26] <TheLordOfTime> so i can't help much more there linuxman, since this is an urgent-attention fix.
[22:27] <linuxman> ok, good luck
[22:27] <sarnold> linuxman: to a certain extent, some packages are configurable via debconf; dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> will prompt you a few times to set things up.
[22:28] <sarnold> linuxman: but that only gets you so far. at some point, things are just easier to configure with a text editor.
[22:38] <linuxman> how do i SSH from outside world into my own Server at home that is running in VM? I have a router and several other people have been assigned internal ips, so as me.
[22:39] <sarnold> linuxman: does your VM have a publicly routable IP address assigned? or does it have an RFC1918 private IP address?
[22:39] <linuxman> i did ifconfig on it, it has a private IP address
[22:39] <linuxman> the router has only ip , its like a NAT
[22:40] <linuxman> it acts*
[22:41] <phillw> keithzg: you have mis understood my request..
[22:42] <sarnold> linuxman: then you'll probably need to portforward a port on your machine to the VM, see e.g. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73
[22:45] <linuxman> ok thanks
[23:38] <paco1> Anybody knows TSIG on DNS?
[23:41] <paco1> i want to configure TSIG on my DNS, someone knows good documentation?


[10:17] <fransman> who is doing sparc kernels?
[10:20] <fransman> have you seen ...
[10:21] <fransman> http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2009/05/msg00046.html
[10:23] <fransman> please click on thread to get a overview what's going on
[10:23] <fransman> the past day on debian unusable on niagara
[11:36] <NCommander> fransman, I've been doing sparc kernels, but I have yet to upload anything
[11:37] <NCommander> I have no niagara hardware to test
[11:38] <fransman> NCommander: I don't think you have to act with it but it's good to know
[11:40] <fransman> NCommander: If I have read it well the past day's you are in good contact with David, so that goes on!
[11:40] <NCommander> fransman, huh?
[11:41] <fransman> NCommander: Did you read the whole tread?
[11:41] <fransman> http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2009/05/threads.html
[11:42] <NCommander> fransman, I didn't even know who David was
[11:43] <fransman> David Miller the Sparc Kernel maintainer ?
[11:47] <NCommander> fransman, well, I'm a linux-ports maintainer in Ubuntu, but I only recently got physical sparc hardware
[11:47] <NCommander> so I'm very new this world; the sparc kernel in Ubuntu was working on shall we say a lot of inhertia :-)
[11:48] <fransman> ;-)
[11:56] <fransman> Does the linux-ports kernel build environment run well now these day's?
[11:58] <NCommander> fransman, its the same as the normal environment
[11:59] <NCommander> I need to grab TheMuso and work out the upload magic needed there
[11:59] <fransman> And that's done you are more happy?
[12:00] <NCommander> Well, it means karmic will be up to 2.6.30 kernels :-)
[12:02] <fransman> true
[12:02] <fransman> good to know if I am well there's a Sparc Git one sec
[12:02] <fransman> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/sparc-next-2.6
[12:02] <fransman> that's next
[12:02] <fransman> and
[12:03] <fransman> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/sparc-2.6
[12:03] <fransman> that's the stable one
[12:04] <fransman> That could be interesting if you are looking for patches
[23:41] <NCommander> jbailey, you around?


[23:48] <CIA-6> ubiquity: superm1 * r4138 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[23:48] <CIA-6> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: bterm-unifont 1.2,
[23:48] <CIA-6> ubiquity: flash-kernel 2.28ubuntu4, grub-installer 1.49ubuntu12, partman-auto
[23:48] <CIA-6> ubiquity: 91ubuntu3.
[23:49] <CIA-6> ubiquity: superm1 * r4139 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.3.3


[01:08] <allan_> hey
[01:08] <jrib> allan_: hi
[01:08] <jrib> allan_: first, did you install all of the dependencies listed on the site?
[01:08] <allan_> i did ncrypt
[01:09] <jrib> k, and the others?
[01:09] <allan_> and the cspace tar gz
[01:09] <allan_> which is for both
[01:09] <allan_> idk if i have to extract i did though i just hit extract
[01:09] <allan_> i just need to install it from source and idk how
[01:10] <allan_> like uncompile or something
[01:10] <jrib> I'll try to help, but you need to answer my questions
[01:10] <allan_> ok
[01:10] <allan_> i downloaded everything on the page
[01:10] <allan_> there on my desktop
[01:10] <allan_> i extracted them
[01:11] <jrib> allan_: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[01:11] <allan_> and idk what to do now
[01:11] <allan_> edgy unstable the newest one i think
[01:11] <allan_> not sure
[01:11] <jrib> !version
[01:11] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[01:11] <allan_> ok
[01:11] <allan_> hold on
[01:12] <allan_> ubuntu 6.10
[01:12] <jrib> ok, good
[01:12] <jrib> now the first thing we have to do is get all of the dependencies installed
[01:12] <allan_> ok
[01:13] <jrib> python2.4, you have because it is included in ubuntu 6.10, moving on...
[01:13] <allan_> ok
[01:13] <jrib> ncrypt, you said you compiled and installed yourself
[01:13] <jrib> now, pyqt4
[01:13] <allan_> not compiled
[01:13] <allan_> just went to firefox
[01:13] <allan_> hit save
[01:13] <allan_> them o opened it with ark and hit extract
[01:14] <jrib> ok, back to ncrypt
[01:14] <allan_> ok
[01:14] <jrib> allan_: did you click on the Ncrypt link?
[01:14] <allan_> yes
[01:14] <allan_> its on my desktop
[01:14] <jrib> did you visit this page? http://tachyon.in/ncrypt/
[01:15] <allan_> no
[01:15] <allan_> should i
[01:15] <allan_> wait
[01:15] <allan_> i did go there
[01:15] <jrib> how did you download ncrypt?
[01:15] <jrib> ok, did you read the instructions there?
[01:15] <allan_> yes but i dont understand it
[01:15] <allan_> brb
[01:15] <allan_> be right back
[01:15] <jrib> k
[01:18] <allan_> ok back
[01:18] <Xzenome> I wish someone would just create deb for things like this, it would stop so many of the questions.
[01:18] <allan_> now what
[01:19] <nalioth> jrib: debs for what?
[01:19] <jrib> allan_: if you want to grab my attention, type my name
[01:19] <allan_> jrib
[01:19] <allan_> know what
[01:19] <jrib> nalioth: allan_ wants to install http://cspace.in/
[01:20] <allan_> do i do
[01:20] <allan_> ?
[01:20] <jrib> nalioth: this is my first encounter with it oo
[01:20] <jrib> allan_: which ncrypt file did you download?
[01:21] <allan_> ncrypt-0.6.4.tar.gz
[01:21] <jrib> allan_: ok, on your desktop correct?
[01:21] <allan_> yeah
[01:22] <jrib> allan_: open a terminal and type:  cd ~/Desktop    remember capitalization is important
[01:22] <nalioth> !info ncrypt
[01:22] <ubotu> Package ncrypt does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[01:22] <nalioth> interesting
[01:22] <jrib> Xzenome: sure, what kind?
[01:23] <allan_> ok
[01:23] <allan_> i did that now what
[01:23] <jrib> allan_: ok, now we read what the website tells us: To compile from source you'll need OpenSSL and Pyrex installed.
[01:23] <Xzenome> jrib: Decaf or caf? I have coffee too. Do you take sugar?
[01:23] <allan_> ok what should i do
[01:23] <jrib> Xzenome: caf, no sugar, thanks
[01:24] <nalioth> allan_: those will need to be the -dev versions of those programs
[01:24] <allan_> ok
[01:24] <Xzenome> jrib, You can either give me your address and I'll fedex it to you in the morning or I can base 64 encode it and post it on pastebin.
[01:24] <jrib> Xzenome: ha
[01:25] <jrib> allan_: !find openssl
[01:25] <jrib> !find openssl
[01:25] <ubotu> Found: libcurl3-openssl-dev, libxmlsec1-openssl, openssl, pyopenssl-doc, python-pyopenssl (and 9 others)
[01:26] <allan_> ok i have pyrex on my desktop
[01:26] <jrib> allan_: ok, after some searching, I'm guessing we want  openssl and libssl-dev packages installed
[01:26] <jrib> allan_: are you familiar with apt-get?
[01:26] <allan_> alittle
[01:26] <allan_> can u send me the link to openssl
[01:26] <jrib> allan_: k, install those two packages with this command:  sudo apt-get install openssl libssl-dev
[01:27] <jrib> allan_: no need for a link, it is packaged in the repositories, so you can use apt-get to install them magically
[01:27] <jrib> !apt | allan_
[01:27] <allan_> should i exit out of desktop directory first
[01:27] <ubotu> allan_: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[01:27] <jrib> allan_: no need
[01:27] <Xzenome> jrib: how rude of me I forgot to offer you a biscuit. Would you like one?
[01:27] <jrib> Xzenome: definitely
[01:28] <nalioth> learning to use the package tools is the easiest route to a healthy system, allan_
[01:28] <allan_> ok
[01:28] <allan_> i got it installed
[01:28] <jrib> allan_: yes, you should always use packages from the repositories for anything you want to install
[01:29] <allan_> ok
[01:29] <jrib> allan_: ok, so next we need pyrex, the package name for that one seems to be 'python-pyrex'.  Go ahead and install that one with apt-get
[01:29] <allan_> ok type sudo apt-get install python-pyrex right
[01:29] <jrib> right
[01:30] <allan_> ok
[01:30] <allan_> done
[01:31] <jrib> allan_: ok, now we have the dependencies for ncrypt.  We can proceed to build it and install it.  Enter this command to extract ncrypt:  tar xvf ncrypt-0.6.4.tar.gz
[01:32] <allan_> shoudl i start with sudo or just that
[01:32] <jrib> allan_: just that
[01:33] <allan_> ok done
[01:33] <jrib> allan_: now, enter the directory where all the ncrypt stuff went:  cd ncrypt-0.6.4
[01:33] <allan_> ok
[01:33] <allan_> done
[01:34] <jrib> allan_: great, now look back on the web page, it tells us to enter the following command to build ncrypt:  python setup.py build
[01:34] <allan_> shoudl i type in python setup.py build
[01:35] <allan_> in shell
[01:35] <jrib> yes
[01:35] <allan_> ok done
[01:36] <jrib> allan_: now you want to install it, so:  sudo python setup.py install
[01:36] <allan_> ok done
[01:37] <jrib> allan_: you are of course trusting that the developers are not evil and have not written a virus to infect your system when  you run something without sudo and don't read the source code
[01:37] <jrib> allan_: ok, now ncrypt should be installed, lets move on with the dependencies for cspace...
[01:37] <allan_> yes
[01:37] <allan_> ok
[01:37] <jrib> next we have pyqt4
[01:37] <jrib> allan_: try to search for that package using this command:  apt-cache search pyqt4
[01:38] <allan_> sudo apt-cache search pyqt4
[01:38] <jrib> allan_: no sudo.  Only use sudo if you need it
[01:39] <allan_> ok done
[01:39] <jrib> allan_: and what did you find?
[01:40] <allan_> python-qt4-dev - Development files for PyQt4
[01:40] <allan_> python-qt4-doc - Documentation and examples for PyQt4
[01:40] <allan_> pyqt4-dev-tools - Development tools for PyQt4
[01:40] <nalioth> the first one will do
[01:42] <jrib> allan_: how about just python-qt4?
[01:42] <nalioth> he needs the -dev packages
[01:43] <jrib> it's a python app
[01:43] <jrib> so I'm not sure which one he needs, safer to just install both
[01:46] <allan_> jrib you with me
[01:46] <allan_> ok
[01:46] <allan_> what u mean
[01:46] <allan_> ok give me the command and ill do it
[01:46] <allan_> please
[01:46] <allan_> ?
[01:47] <allan_> yeah
[01:47] <allan_> im here
[01:47] <jrib> allan_: I want you to understand what you are doing so that after today you don't need to rely on us to install other things
[01:47] <allan_> what nextt
[01:47] <allan_> ok
[01:47] <jrib> allan_: you found python-qt4 and python-qt4-dev, install both
[01:47] <allan_> can u give me the command please
[01:47] <allan_> to install them
[01:48] <jrib> allan_: they are package in the repositories, use apt-get to install them
[01:48] <allan_> i know but what sudo apt-get install python-qt4,python-qt4-dev is taht command right
[01:49] <jrib> allan_: you seperate packages with spaces, not commas
[01:49] <allan_> ok
[01:50] <allan_> ok done
[01:52] <jrib> allan_: ok, what is the next dependency?
[01:52] <allan_> dont know
[01:53] <allan_> hold on
[01:53] <allan_> Running from source on linux:
[01:53] <allan_> Dependencies: Python 2.4+, NCrypt, PyQt4, ctypes, pycurl
[01:53] <allan_> Download the source archive, extract it and run 'python CSpace.pyw'
[01:53] <allan_> thats from cspace
[01:54] <jrib> aww
[01:54] <allan_> ok whats next
[01:54] <jrib> allan_: you were finding what the next dependency we have to take care of is
[01:55] <allan_> did that text help
[01:55] <allan_> Running from source on linux:
[01:55] <allan_> Dependencies: Python 2.4+, NCrypt, PyQt4, ctypes, pycurl
[01:55] <allan_> Download the source archive, extract it and run 'python CSpace.pyw'
[01:55] <allan_> does this help
[01:55] <jrib> allan_: yes, you need to make sure you have ctypes installed
[01:56] <allan_> ok sudo apt-get install ctypes
[01:56] <allan_> right
[01:56] <allan_> ?
[01:57] <allan_> is that command right?
[01:57] <nalioth> no
[01:57] <nalioth> you'll be installing this manually
[01:57] <nalioth> read the readme
[01:58] <jrib> ctypes is packaged
[01:58] <allan_> so how do i install it
[01:58] <jrib> allan_: apt-cache search ctypes  to find the package
[01:58] <allan_> k
[01:58] <allan_> ok done
[01:58] <jrib> !info python-ctypes
[01:58] <ubotu> python-ctypes: Python package to create and manipulate C data types. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0-1 (edgy), package size 151 kB, installed size 684 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 i386 kfreebsd-i386 ia64 hppa m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 sparc sparc64)
[01:59] <nalioth> if ctypes is packaged, why couldn't it be installed w/o all the dependencies?
[01:59] <allan_> emacs-goodies-el - Miscellaneous add-ons for Emacs
[01:59] <allan_> python2.5 - An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)
[01:59] <allan_> python-ctypes - Python package to create and manipulate C data types
[01:59] <nalioth> being manually installed?
[01:59] <jrib> nalioth: ctypes is a dependency of cspace
[01:59] <nalioth> ah
[01:59] <jrib> allan_: after reading the descriptions, you see you want to install  python-ctypes
[02:00] <allan_> ok so sudo apt-geet install python-ctypes right
[02:00] <jrib> right
[02:01] <allan_> ok done
[02:01] <jrib> allan_: next on our list?
[02:02] <allan_> pycurl
[02:02] <jrib> allan_: ok, what do you do?
[02:03] <allan_> apt-cache search pycurl
[02:03] <allan_> rright
[02:03] <jrib> right
[02:03] <allan_> shoould i do that then install it
[02:03] <jrib> allan_: once you find the right package name
[02:04] <Xzenome> sudo apt-get install python-pycurl
[02:04] <allan_> ok done
[02:04] <allan_> now install it
[02:04] <allan_> python-pycurl - Python bindings to libcurl
[02:04] <jrib> yes
[02:05] <allan_> i did sudo apt-get install pycurl and got cant find package
[02:05] <allan_> did i type somethinig wrong
[02:05] <allan_> or ?
[02:06] <Xzenome> I already gave the command above
[02:06] <allan_> ok
[02:06] <Xzenome> sudo apt-get install python-pycurl
[02:06] <allan_> sorry i seee it
[02:06] <allan_> hold on
[02:06] <allan_> ok done
[02:06] <Xzenome> jrib, he's done it.
[02:07] <allan_> now what we do
[02:07] <jrib> ok
[02:07] <jrib> keep reading on the cspace web page
[02:07] <allan_> ok
[02:07] <allan_> hold on
[02:08] <allan_> Download the source archive, extract it and run 'python CSpace.pyw'
[02:08] <allan_> now what
[02:09] <jrib> allan_: ok, did you download the source archive?
[02:09] <allan_> no
[02:09] <allan_> i dont think so
[02:09] <jrib> k, download it :)
[02:09] <allan_> what command do i do
[02:09] <allan_> sudo apt-get installl ?
[02:09] <Xzenome> no you need to get it from the website
[02:09] <allan_> how
[02:10] <allan_> theres  no link to it
[02:10] <allan_> http://www.cspace.in/
[02:10] <Xzenome> http://www.cspace.in/srcdist/CSpaceSrc126.zip
[02:10] <jrib> Source Code (License: GPL): CSpaceSrc126.zip
[02:11] <allan_> ok got
[02:11] <allan_>  it
[02:11] <allan_> it brought me to all the files
[02:11] <allan_> i have it then
[02:11] <allan_> now what
[02:11] <allan_> we do
[02:12] <jrib> allan_: you unzipped it?
[02:12] <allan_> extrCTED IT
[02:12] <allan_> is that bad
[02:12] <allan_> or unzipped
[02:12] <jrib> allan_: that should be fine
[02:13] <allan_> ok
[02:13] <allan_> whats next
[02:13] <jrib> allan_: now cd ~/Desktop/CSpace
[02:14] <allan_> i keep getting no such file or directory
[02:15] <jrib> allan_: where is the cspace archive now?
[02:15] <Xzenome> allan_ type ls ~/Desktop and paste the output here
[02:16] <allan_> pace-0.1.tar.bz2  ncrypt-0.6.4         noip-duc-linux.tar.gz
[02:16] <allan_> CSpaceSrc126.zip    ncrypt-0.6.4.tar.gz  Pyrex-<IP_ADDRESS>a.tar.gz
[02:16] <allan_> allan@incorperated:~/Desktop/ncrypt-0.6.4$
[02:16] <allan_> whats next
[02:17] <jrib> allan_: cd ~/Desktop
[02:17] <allan_> idid
[02:17] <allan_> above is what i got
[02:17] <Xzenome> no you didn't. You type ls ....
[02:17] <allan_> hold on
[02:17] <allan_> sorry
[02:17] <allan_> ok done
[02:19] <Xzenome> type find ~/ "*CSpace*
[02:19] <Xzenome> no, type find ~/ "*CSpace*"
[02:19] <doofus> hello
[02:19] <allan_> sdo i ttype *
[02:19] <jrib> doofus: do you know how to navigate to directories using the terminal?
[02:19] <doofus> yeah
[02:19] <jrib> doofus: navigate to the directory that contains the .xp file
[02:20] <allan_> ok done
[02:20] <doofus> kk
[02:20] <allan_> whats next
[02:20] <jrib> allan_: tell us the output
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/_CACHE_MAP_
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/_CACHE_001_
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/_CACHE_002_
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/_CACHE_003_
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/0A77D676d01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/7F61B33Cd01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/8C4BC720d01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/8C7BC720d01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/2A931E77d01
[02:21] <jrib> allan_: ok stop
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/EC4FD0BBd01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/A16DCE45d01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/E7F4A21Cd01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/B48A6A10d01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/E1269403d01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/FFB1312Ed01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/BCA7962Cd01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/729F6D8Cd01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/D00FF207d01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/90546910d01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/5B094701d01
[02:21] <doofus> ok i am in dir with the xp files
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/CE8784D3d01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/2075079Ed01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/36AA4774d01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/0FCC43C6d01
[02:21] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/84215089d01
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/023AF600d01
[02:22] <Xzenome> jrib, it is his client posting it line by line he can't stop it.
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/D4C7E6DFd01
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/B93F9B9Cd01
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/C0AC1242d01
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/936973E7d01
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/1543E5C2d01
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/.mozilla/firefox/7mjx6dl2.default/Cache/345BA85Bd01
[02:22] <allan_> idk i think that is too much
[02:22] <allan_> ok
[02:22] <allan_> what next
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/ncrypt-0.6.4/website/usage.html
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/ncrypt-0.6.4/website/usage.txt
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/.thumbnails
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/.thumbnails/normal
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/.thumbnails/normal/15dca4202fb3a1e329e08f29d4538012.png
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/.thumbnails/normal/5b7503bf0a46ed6f6ed5c35593afceb5.png
[02:22] <allan_> /home/allan/.rnd
[02:22] <allan_> CSpaceSrc126.zip
[02:22] <allan_> allan@incorperate
[02:22] <allan_> thats the end of it
[02:23] <Xzenome> post the output at http://michael-m.co.uk/pastebin so I can look at it.
[02:23] <doofus> jrib, what now?
[02:23] <jrib> doofus: use this command:  file  NAME_OF_FILE.xp
[02:24] <allan_> ok i did
[02:24] <doofus> matt@matt-desktop:~/.etwolf/noquarter/xpsaves$ file 3136B8F5E9AE13765D80094174229A9F.xp
[02:24] <doofus> 3136B8F5E9AE13765D80094174229A9F.xp: data
[02:24] <doofus> matt@matt-desktop:~/.etwolf/noquarter/xpsaves$
[02:24] <allan_> its posted
[02:25] <allan_> what next
[02:26] <Xzenome> jrib, the directory for allan's thing is ~/CSpace .
[02:26] <allan_> what next
[02:27] <Xzenome> allan_: python ~/CSpace/CSpace.pyw
[02:27] <doofus> what now?
[02:27] <jrib> doofus: try using a decent text editor like vi
[02:27] <doofus> vi?
[02:27] <doofus> where i get that?
[02:27] <jrib> doofus: run 'vimtutor' for an intro
[02:27] <jrib> doofus: you already have it
[02:27] <doofus> oh
[02:28] <Xzenome> doofus, use nano, it is easier. I love nano.
[02:28] <doofus> sorry for my noobyness
[02:28] <Xzenome> allan_, does it work?
[02:28] <allan_> idk
[02:29] <allan_> what do u mean
[02:29] <allan_> does what work
[02:29] <allan_> wait hold on
[02:29] <Xzenome> Does a window come up, when you type python ~/CSpace/CSpace.pyw
[02:30] <allan_> yeah it worked
[02:30] <Xzenome> good.
[02:30] <Xzenome> Thank jrib, it was him who guided you. I just stated the obvious.
[02:30] <allan_> anything else i should do
[02:30] <allan_> jrib
[02:30] <allan_> thanks alot
[02:30] <allan_> i really appreciate it
[02:30] <doofus> erm both nano and vi still read garbled
[02:31] <doofus> text
[02:31] <allan_> do u have any way i can contaact u
[02:31] <allan_> in chat
[02:31] <jrib> np, thanks for helping out Xzenome
[02:31] <allan_> any way
[02:31] <allan_> no problem
[02:31] <Xzenome> doofus, what are you trying to read?
[02:31] <doofus> and .xp file
[02:31] <Xzenome> what is a .xp file? What is it for?
[02:31] <doofus> hey does red txt mean u are pv8 msging me?
[02:31] <doofus> lol
[02:31] <allan_> jrib
[02:32] <Xzenome> no. it means we mention your name
[02:32] <allan_> can i contact u somehow
[02:32] <doofus> it saves people xp points on enemy territory mod
[02:32] <Xzenome> allan_, yes /msg jrib putyourmessagehere
[02:33] <doofus> i think he wants msn/email :P
[02:33] <Xzenome> doofus, it is probably a binary file, so it is useless opening it in an editor
[02:33] <allan_> i dont get it
[02:33] <allan_> lol
[02:33] <doofus> .msg jrib  msg = a pv8 msg to jrib
[02:34] <Xzenome> allan_, you can type "/msg jrib OMG I love you" which would send jrib "OMG I love you" by IRC.
[02:34] <doofus> binary so how the heck do i open it in understandable English?
[02:34] <allan_> ok
[02:35] <allan_> hey
[02:35] <Xzenome> doofus, you can without a specification of the file, and I doubt one exists
[02:35] <doofus> oh bugga ! :(
[02:35] <doofus> oh well thanx anyway :)
[02:35] <doofus> bye for now ...
[02:35] <allan_> hey i got to go thanks jrib ill keep this chat so i can come back
[02:36] <Xzenome> Bye guys, it is 1:35 am here in the UK now and I'm going to bed.
[02:36] <jrib> allan_: k, have fun
[03:17] <afidegnum> hello
[03:17] <jrib> afidegnum: hi
[03:17] <jrib> afidegnum: do you understand what pastebin is?
[03:17] <afidegnum> almost
[03:17] <afidegnum> so Ishould do hte pastebin here?
[03:18] <jrib> visit http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org in your browser
[03:18] <jrib> you copy and paste text in there and then hit "submit".  Then it will take you toa  new page with the stuff you pasted.  That way I can see what you paste
[03:19] <jrib> afidegnum: can you open /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind.postinst in a text editor and tehn pastebin the contents?
[03:20] <afidegnum> ok I git it
[03:20] <afidegnum> I got it
[03:20] <afidegnum> thnks a lot
[03:21] <afidegnum> now secondly, as I was saying, it is about removing the bind package
[03:21] <jrib> afidegnum: ok, once you pastebin that file, tell me the url that you get
[03:21] <afidegnum> cos since it s giving me error
[03:21] <jrib> right, I need to see that file so I can help you with this issue
[03:22] <afidegnum> ok
[03:24] <afidegnum> another error message
[03:24] <afidegnum> could not get a file descriptor refering to the console
[03:24] <jrib> afidegnum: what did you type to get that?
[03:25] <afidegnum>  open /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind.postinst
[03:25] <afidegnum>  open /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind.postinst
[03:25] <jrib> afidegnum: 'open' isn't a text editor, try 'gedit'
[03:25] <afidegnum> ok
[03:28] <afidegnum> it tells me cannot open display (null)
[03:29] <jrib> afidegnum: are you typing:  gedit /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind.postinst
[03:29] <afidegnum> yes
[03:29] <jrib> afidegnum: are you running this in GNOME?
[03:30] <afidegnum> no SSH on a remote server
[03:30] <jrib> ok, you need to tell me these things :)
[03:30] <afidegnum> ok
[03:32] <jrib> afidegnum: run this command:  cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind.postinst | nc jrib.dyndns.org 1234
[03:34] <afidegnum> if possible I can give you the access to the server! so you can see the problem yourserf
[03:34] <jrib> afidegnum: the above should work ok, did it give you an error?
[03:35] <afidegnum> ok let me see
[03:37] <jrib> yay it worked
[03:37] <jrib> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7212/ for anyone following along...
[03:37] <afidegnum> ok I see
[03:37] <afidegnum> yes
[03:38] <afidegnum> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7212/afidegnon@blazex:/$
[03:38] <jrib> oh, I guess I should give it a new line
[03:38] <afidegnum> ok
[03:39] <afidegnum> ok let me give you full access to the server, so you can also try your hand on it also and see
[03:39] <jrib> ok
[03:39] <afidegnum> do you have ssh there?
[03:39] <jrib> yeah
[03:43] <afidegnum> the ip is
[03:43] <afidegnum> 72
[03:43] <afidegnum> <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:44] <afidegnum> the username is "afidegnon"
[03:44] <afidegnum> pass: kokou123
[03:44] <afidegnum> port 14122
[03:44] <jrib> notice taht you just told the whole room that info
[03:46] <jrib> ssh -p 14122<EMAIL_ADDRESS> doesn't seem to work
[03:46] <jrib> afidegnum: what does:  sudo dpkg-configure -a   output?
[03:47] <jrib> afidegnum: erm scratch taht
[03:47] <jrib> afidegnum: what does:  sudo dpkg --configure -a   output?
[03:48] <afidegnum> ???
[03:48] <afidegnum> I don't uderstand what you mean!
[03:49] <jrib> afidegnum: try this command:  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:49] <afidegnum> okj
[03:53] <afidegnum> jrib
[03:54] <jrib> yes?
[03:54] <afidegnum> it produced no output
[03:54] <afidegnum> it asked for the password when I typed it, then no output
[03:55] <jrib> afidegnum: what does  'sudo apt-get install peercasr'  return now?
[03:55] <jrib> !info bind
[03:55] <ubotu> bind: Internet Domain Name Server. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:8.4.6-1 (edgy), package size 888 kB, installed size 2092 kB
[03:56] <jrib> afidegnum: I mean: sudo apt-get install peercast
[03:59] <afidegnum> ok it is successfully intallled
[04:00] <jrib> afidegnum: you still want to remove bind?  I think peercast was the original issue right?
[04:00] <afidegnum> well I tried intalling videolan and it is giving me that error and I decided to intall peercast rather but it did not solved anything
[04:01] <jrib> afidegnum: ok so you want to install vlc?
[04:01] <afidegnum> yea I am already installing it
[04:01] <afidegnum> with no proble,m
[04:01] <jrib> k
[04:07] <jrib> afidegnum: don't forget to change your password
[04:10] <ma1kel> http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/ietrap/testme.html
[04:12] <afidegnum> ok yes
[04:13] <afidegnum> but hold on there is somehtig I would like to install libdvdcss2
[04:13] <afidegnum> and I had this recomendation
[04:13] <afidegnum> To install libdvdcss2 (DVD region free software) add "deb http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ edgy free" to your /etc/apt/sources.list file and run:
[04:13] <afidegnum>   % sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[04:13] <afidegnum> how shoudl I proceed?
[04:15] <afidegnum> are you thre pls?
[04:21] <jrib> afidegnum: hi
[04:21] <jrib> what was teh result of your last command?
[04:22] <afidegnum> ok everything went successfull
[04:22] <afidegnum> thanks a lot
[04:22] <afidegnum> but there is one last thing I would like to talk ahotu!
[04:22] <afidegnum> To install libdvdcss2 (DVD region free software) add "deb http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ edgy free" to your /etc/apt/sources.list file and run:
[04:23] <afidegnum> % sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[04:23] <afidegnum> first do we need to add % to some of hte commands?
[04:23] <jrib> no
[04:23] <jrib> % just indicates it is a terminal command.  Some shells use % instead of $
[04:24] <afidegnum> and secondly how can I add the above instructions so I can downlaod libdvdcss2?
[04:25] <jrib> what is the output of teh command when you try it now?
[04:28] <afidegnum> http://rafb.net/p/CQnqfu39.html
[04:28] <afidegnum> this is a diferent ling
[04:28] <afidegnum> and all the commands and output!
[04:28] <jrib> afidegnum: ok you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list  and add the deb line above
[04:28] <jrib> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:30] <afidegnum> I have typed it
[04:31] <afidegnum> what should I do next?
[04:33] <jrib> afidegnum: add the "deb ..." line you mentioned above
[04:34] <jrib> !repos | afidegnum
[04:34] <ubotu> afidegnum: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[04:37] <afidegnum> ok
[04:40] <jrib> afidegnum: after you add the line, you need to save the file and then run 'sudo apt-get update'
[04:41] <afidegnum> ok
[04:49] <afidegnum> look
[04:49] <afidegnum> how should I edit this
[04:49] <afidegnum> ?
[04:49] <afidegnum> http://rafb.net/p/tPDDPm78.html
[04:50] <jrib> afidegnum: have you read the link ubotu sent you?
[04:50] <afidegnum> not yet
[04:50] <afidegnum> let me read
[04:59] <afidegnum> ok thanks but let me ask something else
[05:00] <afidegnum> how can I see the visual side of what I am doing like when I on my desktp, I would have run startX or run Xwindows bug how can I proceed that on a remote server>?>
[05:09] <afidegnum> jrib
[07:02] <jrib> Gartral: enter this command:  gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:02] <jrib> then visit http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and copy and paste the contents of the file that opened in your editor
[07:02] <jrib> then submit
[07:02] <jrib> then give us the url
[07:03] <Gartral> k, ty for being patiant, im a bit of a noob
[07:03] <Gartral> ohh shit
[07:03] <Gartral> firefox said that its missing key componets
[07:04] <Gartral> namely, libc6
[07:04] <jrib> Gartral: so you can't use pastebin?
[07:04] <Gartral> ok, now im kinda ticked, i cant get online
[07:04] <jrib> Gartral: run this command please:  cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc jrib.dyndns.org 1234
[07:05] <Gartral> well, im kinda dead in the water here
[07:05] <jrib> this one too:  apt-cache policy libc6 | nc jrib.dyndns.org 1234
[07:05] <Gartral> ok,l done
[07:06] <Gartral> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7246/
[07:06] <jrib> yep, I get it here too
[07:06] <jrib> sources.list seem fine
[07:06] <Gartral> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7248/
[07:07] <jrib> Gartral: what does 'sudo apt-get install -f' prompt you to do?  Don't necessarily agree to do what it recommends without reading it first
[07:08] <Gartral> The following extra packages will be installed:
[07:08] <Gartral>   libc6-i686
[07:08] <Gartral> The following packages will be upgraded:
[07:08] <Gartral>   libc6-i686
[07:08] <Gartral> 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 199 not upgraded.
[07:08] <Gartral> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:08] <Gartral> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[07:08] <Gartral> gareth@gareth-desktop:~$
[07:08] <jrib> Gartral: do you have update-manager still open?
[07:09] <Gartral> i never did, but i can open it
[07:09] <Gartral> Software index is broken
[07:09] <Gartral> It is impossible to install or remove any software. Please use the package manager "Synaptic" or run "sudo apt-get install -f" in a terminal to fix this issue at first.
[07:10] <jrib> Gartral: no, I wanted to make sure it was closed.  Do you have snyaptic or add/remove programs open?  Any package management program?
[07:10] <Gartral> nope, not now
[07:10] <jrib> Gartral: and you still get the same error with that last command?
[07:11] <Gartral> hmmm, im glad i ordered a copy of the linux bible....
[07:11] <Gartral> yeppo
[07:11] <jrib> Gartral: ps -ef | grep apt
[07:12] <Gartral> i assume that goes into terminal?
[07:12] <jrib> yeah, I'll enclose commands in '' from now on
[07:13] <Gartral> ty
[07:13] <Gartral> gave me a list of open commands
[07:13] <jrib> just tell me what is in the last column
[07:13] <Gartral> gareth    4214     1  0 12:36 ?        00:00:01 gksu /usr/sbin/synaptic
[07:13] <Gartral> root      4215  4214  0 12:36 ?        00:00:08 /usr/sbin/synaptic
[07:13] <Gartral> gareth    5214  4915  0 13:12 pts/0    00:00:00 grep apt
[07:13] <jrib> or that
[07:13] <jrib> seems synaptic is open, do you see it somewhere?
[07:13] <Gartral> no
[07:14] <Gartral> ohh, firefox lied, it opened anyway x.o
[07:14] <jrib> hmmm
[07:14] <Gartral> just in my other workspace
[07:15] <jrib> It's probably better if you log out and log back in to close synaptic instead of killing it, mind doing that real quick?
[07:15] <Gartral> killall synaptic?
[07:15] <Gartral> ok... brb
[07:15] <Gartral> hope i dont bust my comp
[07:18] <jrib> hmm maybe we should have just killed it
[07:19] <Gartral> me back
[07:19] <jrib> Gartral: ok, try 'sudo apt-get install -f' now
[07:20] <Gartral> ok, its saying different now
[07:20] <Gartral> The following extra packages will be installed:
[07:20] <Gartral>   libc6-i686
[07:20] <Gartral> The following packages will be upgraded:
[07:20] <Gartral>   libc6-i686
[07:20] <Gartral> 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 199 not upgraded.
[07:20] <Gartral> Need to get 0B/1079kB of archives.
[07:20] <Gartral> After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
[07:20] <Gartral> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ?
[07:21] <jrib> sounds goodf
[07:21] <jrib> good even
[07:21] <Gartral> yes then?
[07:21] <jrib> yep
[07:21] <Gartral> (Reading database ... 69815 files and directories currently installed.)
[07:21] <Gartral> Preparing to replace libc6-i686 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 (using .../libc6-i686_2.3.6-0ubuntu20.4_i386.deb) ...
[07:21] <Gartral> Unpacking replacement libc6-i686 ...
[07:21] <Gartral> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[07:21] <Gartral> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-i686_2.3.6-0ubuntu20.4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:22] <Gartral>  short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/tls/i686/cmov/ld-2.3.6.so')
[07:22] <Gartral> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:22] <Gartral>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-i686_2.3.6-0ubuntu20.4_i386.deb
[07:22] <Gartral> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:22] <jrib> well that's nice...
[07:22] <Gartral> easy to fix?
[07:22] <jrib> not that I know of, time for google
[07:23] <Gartral> wait
[07:24] <Gartral> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe): <-- dosent this mean that it didnt move the package from the DL point to the cache?
[07:24] <jrib> not sure
[07:25] <Gartral> and 2 errors down, it says ""failed to copy" so, isnt the systeem doing this in the wrong order?
[07:26] <jrib> where is "failed to copy"?
[07:26] <Gartral> i understand enough of linux to know most of the basic funtions
[07:27] <Gartral> hort read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/tls/i686/cmov/ld-2.3.6.so')
[07:27] <Gartral> short*
[07:28] <Gartral> why does this have to be shuch a major headache
[07:29] <jrib> Gartral: are you using amd64?
[07:30] <Gartral> no, a 1.7 ghrz celeron
[07:30] <Gartral> why?
[07:30] <jrib> was getting some hits about amd64
[07:31] <Gartral> no
[07:33] <Gartral> might it be helpful to mention im running dapper?
[07:34] <jrib> got that from your sources.list
[07:35] <Gartral> ok
[07:35] <jrib> Gartral: apt-cache policy libc6-i686
[07:37] <Gartral> `terminal?
[07:37] <Gartral>   Installed: 2.3.6-0ubuntu20
[07:37] <Gartral>   Candidate: 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.4
[07:37] <Gartral>   Version table:
[07:37] <Gartral>      2.3.6-0ubuntu20.4 0
[07:37] <Gartral>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main Packages
[07:37] <Gartral>  *** 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 0
[07:37] <Gartral>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[07:37] <Gartral>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[07:38] <jrib> I'm tempted to just tell you to downgrade
[07:38] <Gartral> DOWNGRADE?
[07:38] <jrib> see libc6 is 20.4
[07:38] <Gartral> and?
[07:38] <jrib> and it depends on libc6-i686 version 20.4
[07:39] <Gartral> so there shouldnt be a problem
[07:39] <jrib> and right now you have 20 and 20.4 fails to install
[07:39] <Gartral> why?
[07:40] <jrib> Gartral: well that's the error we got, I don't know why it's failing
[07:40] <Gartral> so, what if i try to upgrade to 6.10?
[07:40] <jrib> Gartral: is this a pretty fresh install?
[07:41] <Gartral> yes, risen from the ashes of my LAST upgrade attempt
[07:41] <jrib> heh
[07:41] <Gartral> ubuntu dont like me -_-
[07:41] <jrib> well lets try to fix this first, I don't kow how successful an upgrade will be atm
[07:41] <jrib> Gartral: sudo apt-get clean
[07:42] <Gartral> ok, no output
[07:42] <jrib> ok
[07:42] <jrib> ls -ld /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ld-2.3.6.so
[07:42] <Gartral> this good?
[07:42] <jrib> that's a command
[07:43] <jrib> Gartral: yep, no output is fine
[07:43] <Gartral> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 92868 2006-05-21 14:46 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ld-2.3.6.so
[07:43] <jrib> Gartral: ok, 'sudo apt-get install -f'
[07:44] <Gartral> hey....
[07:44] <Gartral> it worked, omg
[07:44] <jrib> ?
[07:44] <jrib> weird must have been a botched download
[07:44] <Gartral> probably
[07:45] <Gartral> would a sanctioned ip addy have caused this?
[07:45] <jrib> Gartral: synaptic say everything is copesetic now?
[07:45] <Gartral> 0 broken
[07:46] <jrib> good, I don't know what a santioned ip address is so I don't know
[07:46] <Gartral> dude, i could kiss you right now
[07:46] <Gartral> ok, how do i back up my kernel?
[07:47] <jrib> what do you mean?
[07:47] <Gartral> cus im using the old kernel, i need to upgrade
[07:48] <jrib> Gartral: when you install a new kernel, the old one won't be touched, you'll still have the option to boot to it from grub
[07:48] <Gartral> ohh...
[07:48] <Gartral> cus i have 200 upgrades left
[07:49] <Gartral> and i want to backup my system, so i can restore it if nessisery
[07:49] <jrib> !backup
[07:49] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[07:49] <jrib> and if you just want to remember what pacakges you have installed,
[07:49] <jrib> !cloning
[07:49] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type "dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages", move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type "sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade"
[07:50] <Gartral> in one eye, out the other
[07:50] <Gartral> lol
[07:50] <Gartral> i got it, ty, ty very much
[07:51] <jrib> np
[07:51] <Gartral> i ordered a copy of the 07 linux bible.... i hope it helps
[07:53] <Gartral> hey
[07:54] <jrib> !rute
[07:54] <ubotu> documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[07:54] <Gartral> you know how to get a canon pixma ip 1500 series printer working on ubuntu?
[07:54] <jrib> the rute book is really nice.  If you want some better for beginners, help.ubuntu.com is good
[07:54] <jrib> Gartral: no, not really, but look for hints at:
[07:54] <jrib> !printing
[07:54] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:40] <Xzenome> Hi
[11:40] <Wrongway> hey Xzenome
[11:40] <Xzenome> So what errors are you getting?
[11:41] <Xzenome> Wrongway, what errors are you getting?
[11:41] <Wrongway> got to the point cd ffmpeg-*/
[11:41] <Wrongway> bash: cd: ffmpeg-*/: No such file or directory
[11:42] <Xzenome> right. Did you run apt-get source ffmpeg?
[11:42] <Wrongway> and actually, for the "apt-get source ffmpeg" line I got "E: Unable to find a source package for ffmpeg"
[11:43] <Xzenome> Oh I see, post your /etc/apt/sources.list at http://michael-m.co.uk/pastebin
[11:44] <Wrongway> alrighty....
[11:44] <Wrongway> how do I do that?
[11:44] <Xzenome> type gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and past the contents to the URL above
[11:44] <Wrongway> I've just recently switched from windows and don't know my way around what I'm doing
[11:45] <Xzenome> Wrongway, don't worry it was the same for me a month ago.
[11:45] <Wrongway> only a month? that's a quick learning curve
[11:46] <Wrongway> done
[11:46] <Xzenome> Linux is quite an easy system to learn (and I have a some exprience with programming)
[11:47] <Wrongway> I've had some experience, but have moved away from that
[11:47] <Wrongway> so if I really wanted to, I could probably muck about, but don't really want to :P
[11:48] <Xzenome> Right, ok I'm just modify your sources.list so you can get the stuff
[11:48] <Wrongway> k
[11:49] <nalioth> Xzenome: with an explanation, please
[11:49] <nalioth> we want to instruct how to fish, not give fish away
[11:49] <Xzenome> Ok, basically, I just uncommented some of the lines. That will enable you to download stuff that isn't opensource.
[11:50] <Wrongway> gotcha
[11:51] <Xzenome> type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace it with the modified version (http://michael-m.co.uk/sources.list)
[11:52] <nalioth> stop
[11:52] <nalioth> stop
[11:52] <nalioth> !gksudo
[11:52] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application>
[11:52] <nalioth> running graphical apps with sudo can scramble your user permissions, leaving you with an unusable machine
[11:52] <nalioth> !kdesu
[11:52] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[11:53] <Xzenome> thankyou nalioth, you learn something new every day.
[11:54] <Xzenome> Wrongway, so instead type gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and then replace it with the modified version
[11:55] <Xzenome> Are you with me?
[11:56] <Wrongway> how do I get the mod'd version?
[11:56] <nalioth> be happy you've not learned from experience
[11:56] <Xzenome> it is at http://michael-m.co.uk/sources.list
[11:57] <Xzenome> nalioth, once nano screwed up like that before but I don't actually know why.
[11:57] <Wrongway> can I not just replace it through the gui instead of the terminal?
[11:58] <nalioth> Wrongway: Xzenomes instructions are for the gui
[11:58] <Xzenome> Wrongway, the command I gave about will replace it through the gui, it just launches from the gui
[11:58] <Wrongway> k
[12:00] <Xzenome> Wrongway, I forgot to uncomment this line: deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe find it and remove the hash to make it work.
[12:00] <Xzenome> "deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe"
[12:02] <Wrongway> k, doing that