[10:12] <CB> I installed mozilla-plugin-vlc to play mpeg videos
[10:12] <bpuccio> Orbo: have you enabled DMA?
[10:12] <CB> now I get video, but no sound
[10:12] <Orbo> I read about taht somewhere else, bpuccio
[10:13] <carthik> bpuccio, glad to meet you - Idont do much these days, sadly :(
[10:13] <CB> is it a problem with the configuration of VLC?
[10:13] <Orbo> is that required?
[10:13] <libben> Orbo, type sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[10:13] <libben> if hdc is ur cdplayer
[10:13] <bpuccio> carthik: more then me, that's for sure, every bit counts
[10:13] <libben> ment dvd reader/burneer
[10:13] <carthik> wjesusaxl, #ubuntu-es
[10:13] <wjesusaxl> thanks
[10:13] <Orbo> libben, output in floood?
[10:13] <carthik> bpuccio, you are too kind :)
[10:14] <simplex3> Has anyone else had font-size issues after installing the nvidia binary drivers?
[10:14] <Orbo> using_dma = 0 (off)
[10:14] <simplex3> All of the sudden all my X fonts are twice as large on screen as they used to be.  I moved back to the nv driver and it went back to normal.
[10:14] <Orbo> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[10:14] <xMaximex> is there another apps than hotkeys to enable media keys for logitech access keyboard ?
[10:14] <fgx> why is /dev/fb0 disabled from default?
[10:14] <bpuccio> Orbo:  try to sudo that
[10:15] <Orbo> already did
[10:15] <Orbo> okay
[10:15] <Orbo> its on now
[10:15] <Orbo> apparently
[10:15] <Orbo> bpuccio, go to #flood
[10:15] <ploum_> xMaximex, if you use xmms or beep-media-player, there's the itouch plugin
[10:16] <libben> Orbo, what is ur dvdplayer mounted as?
[10:16] <libben> hdc ?
[10:16] <CB> is there a better mpeg player plugin for mozilla than mozilla-plugin-vlc?
[10:16] <libben> type mount
[10:16] <Orbo> yeah, its linked to /dev/cdrom
[10:16] <xMaximex> ploum, i use beep-media-player .. what is the name of the package ?
[10:16] <libben> Orbo, so on first line it says hdc?
[10:16] <libben> type this in irc.
[10:17] <ploum_> http://pr.fritalk.com/bmp/  bmp-itouch
[10:17] <libben>  /exec -o mount | grep hdc
[10:17] <ploum_> not avalaibale in hoary
[10:17] <ploum_> but compiled by me and a friend for Hoary
[10:17] <Orbo> /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=cam)
[10:17] <ploum_> (you will maybe need to take the bmp package also)
[10:17] <libben> Orbo, type in bash. sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[10:18] <libben> it will turn on DMA mode on ur dvd ...
[10:18] <libben> and it will not stutter when u okay it
[10:18] <alterim> can someone help me with an error when trying to install mplayer-586 through synaptic?
[10:18] <helio7> fastest way to upgrade from warty to hoary is just to change /etc/apt/sources.list and then run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade right?
[10:18] <CB> is there a better mpeg player plugin for mozilla than mozilla-plugin-vlc?
[10:18] <alterim> can someone help me with an error when trying to install mplayer-586 through synaptic?
[10:19] <Orbo> libben
[10:19] <Orbo> still nothing
[10:19] <Fator_Dee> alterim: tell the error and someone will help if can
[10:19] <alterim> mplayer-586:
[10:19] <libben> ?
[10:19] <alterim>   Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[10:19] <alterim>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[10:19] <libben> u can play the dvd ?
[10:19] <Orbo> I can play it fine
[10:19] <alterim> it is saying the above packages are unresolvable
[10:19] <Orbo> its just choppy as hell
[10:19] <alterim> ie no in the repository
[10:19] <alterim> but i am simply following the wiki
[10:20] <alterim> and i have all repositories on
[10:20] <bpuccio> Orbo: hmmm, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-bugs/2005-March/000626.html looks like maybe a module ordering issue?
[10:20] <libben> Orbo, did it say DMA on when u typed "sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc"
[10:20] <libben> ?
[10:20] <helll> hey guys i am just about to install hoary 64bit and i was wondering what should i partition my harddrive like?? like ohw buch boot, how much swap, how much /, ect...
[10:20] <xMaximex> ploum_, i installed the bmp-itouch package .. but media key doesn't work
[10:20] <carthik> alterim, if you wouldnt mind compiling from source, there is a great howto at the forums...
[10:20] <libben> helio7,
[10:20] <libben> helll,
[10:20] <alterim> so i have to compile from source?
[10:20] <alterim> hmm
[10:20] <alterim> i thought installing mplayer was simple
[10:20] <helll> libben: yes?
[10:20] <libben> only make 2 partitions... one swap...  and one ext3
[10:21] <carthik> helll, 500 MB boot, about 5 Gigs for /, rest for /home ?
[10:21] <Orbo> libben, it tries to set it, then tells me the operation is not permitted, then tells me 'using_dma = 0 (off)
[10:21] <helll> libben: there needs to be a boot
[10:21] <alterim> helll, let ubuntu partitioner automatically partition for you
[10:21] <libben> hell nope =)
[10:21] <libben> helll, make a boot then on 500 if u want to
[10:21] <thoreauputic> alterim: it's in multiverse on hoary now, so there might be a conflict with the marillat sources
[10:21] <helll> alterim: it doesnt want to do it correctly..always stalls at boot
[10:21] <libben> Orbo, did u type SUDO before the commad?
[10:21] <carthik> having a seperate /home helps if you want to re-install or install a new OS without losing data... libben
[10:21] <libben> u need to have super user priviliges to do that command
[10:21] <libben> carthik, i know all that
[10:22] <libben> but for normal single user.
[10:22] <Orbo> libben, of course
[10:22] <libben> its not really needed
[10:22] <alterim> oh shall i disable the marillat repos temporarily?
[10:22] <ploum_> xMaximex, you have to enable and configure it in Beep-Media-Player
[10:22] <ploum_> Plugins -> General
[10:22] <thoreauputic> alterim: might be worth a shot
[10:22] <carthik> libben, that would have saved me trouble if I had know...(that a seperate /home/ makes sense) ... acouple years ago... :)
[10:22] <thoreauputic> alterim: if you're on hoary
[10:23] <alterim> trying...
[10:23] <xMaximex> ploum_, it's not in the list
[10:23] <alterim> hey man that worked
[10:23] <alterim> nice one thor
[10:23] <libben> carthik, u should need alot of space for that =)
[10:23] <alterim> (change that name)
[10:23] <ploum_> xMaximex, I know why !
[10:23] <libben> Orbo, its and -d1 not a -dL
[10:23] <thoreauputic> alterim: I get it right occasionally ;-)
[10:23] <libben> 1 as in numero uno
[10:23] <ploum_> The easiest way is to install the beep-media-player also provided
[10:24] <xMaximex> what do you mean ?
[10:24] <thoreauputic> alterim: tab complete my nick - it's easier that way
[10:24] <Orbo> libben, i know that...
[10:24] <alterim> oh yeah
[10:24] <ploum_> to download and install the beep-media-player package available on pr.fritalk.com/bmp
[10:24] <libben> and u still havent got it to dma on
[10:24] <alterim> how does it know what name to spew
[10:24] <xMaximex> ho ok
[10:24] <alterim> when i press tab
[10:24] <xMaximex> i try it
[10:24] <Orbo> libben, no
[10:24] <carthik> alterim, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 worked for me...
[10:24] <alterim> oh, the last person that does it to me
[10:25] <alterim> nice touch
[10:25] <thoreauputic> alterim: dunno - same as bash I guess
[10:25] <ploum_> xMaximex, it's a most recent and least buggy version
[10:25] <cartman> in hoary resolv.conf gets overwritten with some interval due to dhcpcd I guess
[10:25] <alterim> thoreauputic: yeah that's a big help
[10:25] <cartman> is there a way to disable it?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> alterim: :)
[10:25] <xMaximex> ploum_, that works
[10:26] <libben> Orbo, hmm... hard one.
[10:26] <CB> I just tried using the mplayer-plugin for mozilla
[10:26] <CB> for an mpeg file
[10:26] <CB> I got video
[10:26] <libben> dont know what causes it to set it
[10:26] <CB> but no sound
[10:26] <CB> any suggestions?
[10:26] <jinXKat_> turn up the volume
[10:27] <CB> ...
[10:27] <carthik> CB, thats 'cause the ESD (sound daemon) is not being used by mplayer-plugin
[10:27] <carthik> perhaps
[10:27] <carthik> cb, can you hear any sounds at all? from other apps etc?
[10:27] <CB> yes
[10:27] <alterim> carthik: that howto is too indepth for me
[10:27] <carthik> mplayer should have an option to change the audio output driver to ESD
[10:28] <carthik> alterim, but it works just fine :)
[10:28] <alterim> carthik: i don't want to build from source if i don't have to :)
[10:28] <CB> checking the man page right now...
[10:28] <carthik> alterim, I understand that...
[10:28] <alterim> so does installing mplayer-586 from synpatic :)
[10:28] <libben> Orbo, open up /etc/hdparm.conf and add that cdrom line at the bottom... there is one in there allready that is commented out... just uncom it and change it for ur /dev/hdc and reboot
[10:28] <carthik> CB, or do what I do... I kill esd to see if everything works...
[10:28] <libben> that should fix it
[10:28] <ploum_> xMaximex, are you happy ?
[10:29] <carthik> and then I stop using esd, and use ALSA or the OGG drive instead... settings can be changes using System->Preferences I think
[10:29] <libben> u must use su with it
[10:29] <carthik> CB ^^
[10:29] <Quest-Master> What program can I use to theme QT under Gnome?
[10:29] <xMaximex> ploum_, that doen't work at all .. i'll try to fix that later, got to go. But thank you for the help !
[10:29] <ogra> CB, it will use the settings in ~/.mplayer/config i guess..... set the audio output to esd
[10:29] <ploum_> xMaximex, you are welcome...
[10:29] <ploum_> sorry
[10:29] <ogra> carthik, urg
[10:30] <CB> I set it to esd in the cli, still no sound when I stream via mozilla
[10:30] <carthik> ogra, i'm sorry, i didn't quite get that ... ?
[10:31] <andysl> bob2:  Do you know anything about UIM?
[10:31] <andysl> o_O
[10:31] <ogra> carthik, i was wondering why you suggest killing esd....
[10:31] <andysl> Actually, does anyone period lol ;;
[10:32] <helio7> Hmm the "sample" file from the ubuntuguide.org is offline... what else is missing I'm upgrading from Warty to Hoary, and "replace" (as per step 4 on http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories ) is there anything else necessary in the sources.list file besides that block that you're supposed to add?
[10:32] <alterim> in the ubuntuguide.org it says i can goto Applications > System Tools > Menu Editor, but that does not exist
[10:32] <alterim> any ideas?
[10:32] <andysl> alterm
[10:32] <andysl> alterim u have to install that
[10:32] <ogra> carthik, since all apps are set to it by default, you have a lot to fix afterwards....
[10:32] <alterim> hmm
[10:32] <alterim> the guide says nothing about installing that
[10:32] <andysl> aterim jsut apt get it
[10:32] <ogra> carthik, .... would be easier to point the app t use esd :)
[10:32] <andysl> alterim: Hence why it is the Un-official guide ;)
[10:32] <carthik> ogra, just so I can see if mplayer works , and if it is the esd problem indeed. of course i bring it back to life immediately after :)
[10:32] <andysl> alterim: ^_^
[10:33] <thoreauputic> alterim: it's a gnome thing - they didn't get it in for 2.10
[10:33] <ogra> carthik, ah...
[10:33] <whiskers> man that is really something...ubuntu is ranking #1 on distrowatch at the web
[10:33] <alterim> oh right
[10:33] <carthik> ogra, for some reason, my mplayer could not use esd first, and i was a newbie then (As I quite am now)
[10:33] <andysl> alterim:  wget http://myosc.org/ubuntuguide/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[10:33] <alterim> whats it's package name
[10:33] <andysl> alterim: dpkg -i menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[10:33] <alterim> can i not use synaptic
[10:33] <alterim> ?
[10:33] <CB> carthik, I'm totally new to linux and mplayer
[10:33] <thoreauputic> alterim: not for that one
[10:33] <icerogu1> i have an issue of my nic doent reseive dhcp under hoary but it does under windows, any ideas?
[10:34] <ogra> carthik, hmm, ao=esd or ao=esound should do it iirc....
[10:34] <CB> carthik, can you tell me *exactly* what you did to get mplayer to use esd?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> alterim: use sudo dpkg -i <nameof app >
[10:34] <thoreauputic> alterim: tab complete the deb name of course :)
[10:34] <andysl> Anyone know how to get UIM to work with Korean input?
[10:34] <alterim> thoreauputic: that's confusing
[10:34] <alterim> thoreauputic: why did you just tell me thatr
[10:35] <Okt> ok I am back and looking for some more help, this time on colpining a program called PearPC.
[10:35] <carthik> ogra, mpegp, oss, null and pcm were the only available drivers... so setting it to use esd did not work for me - I should have typed this long answer before , my apologies :)
[10:35] <alterim> thoreauputic: surely i need to download the app first, as andysl just saud
[10:35] <whiskers> if i go get a deb file...what directory does dpkg look for the deb files
[10:35] <thoreauputic> alterim: are you not wanting to install the menu-editor?
[10:35] <thoreauputic> alterim: of course, yes
[10:35] <alterim> yes i am, but you just gave me the command to install something that i don't have local
[10:35] <alterim> thoreauputic: which is misleading advice
[10:36] <thoreauputic> alterim: hmm...  You must lead a difficult life...
[10:37] <carthik> CB, in a minute, if you havent found the answer yet
[10:38] <carthik> ogra, I can't thank you enough for the work you put in, so there! :)
[10:38] <CB> argh
[10:38] <alterim> thoreauputic: so must you if you feel compelled to point that out
[10:38] <CB> okay
[10:38] <whiskers> wget doesn't work here at all...says host not found
[10:38] <CB> so
[10:38] <ogra> carthik, thanks :)
[10:38] <andysl> You guys quit arguing :/  Ubuntu makes people happy!  If it doesn't make you happy enough try playing one of the games ;)
[10:38] <CB> I switched the audio driver to ESD, but still no sound
[10:38] <alterim> thanks, i've installed menueditor successfully
[10:38] <andrewski> so i just installed kde and it freezes on startup (i see the progress bar and icons for the splash screen on a grey background).  how can i fix this?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> aalterim. OK don't expect any further help from this quarter.
[10:38] <whiskers> if we just go get a deb file what directory should we put it in to use dpkg with it
[10:39] <hilz> HI all...
[10:39] <hilz> I just downloaded the install CD
[10:39] <hilz> and it won't boot
[10:39] <alterim> haha. what a twat
[10:39] <alterim> anyway, thanks peeps
[10:39] <hilz> isn't it bootable?
[10:39] <onkarshinde> whiskers: You can use it from any directory
[10:39] <andysl> You guys, please stop arguing. :/
[10:39] <andrewski> hilz: yes, is your bios cd bootable?
[10:39] <pere> Im trying to use the fglrx-driver with my ati-card, but it freezes. Any ideas?
[10:39] <hilz> yes
[10:39] <andysl> hilz:  You'll need to go to your bios configuration...
[10:39] <hilz> the CD is the first in the boot sequence
[10:40] <whiskers> onkarshinde, oh that is great
[10:40] <carthik> CB, when you start up gmplayer, try accessing the options... then go "Audio". There should be esd, or esound listed as an option...
[10:40] <andysl> hilz:  Quite strange - I haven't encountered that problem with the ISO...
[10:40] <carthik> CB, I was searching for something usefl i had read at the forums but cant find it.. but the answer is there for you to find... :)
[10:40] <hilz> i'll try to download again...
[10:40] <onkarshinde> whiskers: Only you need root previliges to install it using dpkg
[10:41] <hilz> maybe something went wrong in the download or the burning
[10:41] <hilz> thanks anyway
[10:41] <carthik> CB, that is in case you, like me, do not find that ESD is an option in mplayer's options...
[10:41] <andysl> hilz...
[10:41] <CB> nope
[10:41] <andysl> Try putting the CD in, in whatever OS you are in right now, and 'explore' the CD...
[10:41] <CB> carthik, it's in the options
[10:41] <ogra> hilz, its very important to burn bootables as slow as you can....
[10:41] <andysl> hilz:  Make sure you see a bunch of folders, for instance, isolinux (or something like that) should be a folder...
[10:41] <kev0r> anyone any experiance with connecting an external USB2 drive, saying permission denied
[10:41] <kev0r> on HOary here
[10:41] <andysl> hilz:  Make sure you don't just see 1 file (.iso)
[10:41] <truz24> is there anyway to span one mountpoint over several physical discs ?
[10:41] <carthik> CB, great! select that, and restart gmplayer, and you will b good to go
[10:42] <kev0r> tried xs-ing it as root, didn't work though
[10:42] <onkarshinde> Please help me with Modem Monitor applet. It says I need root privileges.
[10:42] <whiskers> hmm...i don't see that menueditor file anywhere on the web and wget can't find host either
[10:42] <dualm> hello all
[10:42] <ogra> hilz, if it boots, it has a check option, to check the media...look in the help of the bootscreen...
[10:42] <CB> carthik, still no worky
[10:43] <dualm> I am dowloading hoary, How to ask bittorent to exit after download, it keeps on uploading even after the download is complete
[10:43] <onkarshinde> I KNOW THIS IS SHOUTING> WILL SOMEONE HELP ME?
[10:43] <carthik> CB, uh oh... can you check if it does use ESD now, by looking up the options?
[10:43] <CB> carthik, but I'm wondering why the volume is set to 0 every time I restart mplayer...could that have something to do with it?
[10:43] <trygvebw-away> Hi, what's the linux-restricted-modules-amd64-generic package called in Ubuntu Hoary?
[10:43] <CB> carthik, yes, it's there in the options
[10:44] <sal002> Any ubuntu packages (or kubuntu) install lib.gb.qt.kde.html?
[10:44] <whiskers> synaptic can't find menueditor either...are you sure that file is spelled right
[10:44] <truz24> is there anyway to span one mountpoint over several physical discs ?
[10:44] <penguin42> truz24: Yes, lvm can do that
[10:44] <truz24> man lvm ?
[10:44] <carthik> CB, try increasing the volume on gmplayer ....
[10:44] <ogra> trygvebw-away, its called linux-restricted-modules-amd64-generic
[10:44] <mjr> also raid, but yes, lvm is more flexible
[10:44] <trygvebw-away> :P
[10:44] <trygvebw-away> ok, i'll try again :)
[10:44] <CB> carthik, I do
[10:44] <ogra> trygvebw-away, how else should it be called ;)
[10:45] <CB> carthik, but it resets every time
[10:45] <carthik> CB, you could perhaps read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20159 and pick something up from there
[10:45] <trygvebw-away> no idea, but apt-cache couldnt find it :)
[10:45] <mjr> truz24, google for LVM and Software-RAID HOWTOs
[10:45] <trygvebw-away> ahhh... i didn't have restricted
[10:45] <truz24> thx mjr
[10:45] <trygvebw-away> thanks for your help :)
[10:45] <ogra> lol
[10:45] <whiskers> andysl, are you sure that file is spelled right...it doesn't show up anywhere
[10:45] <hilz> andysl: yes there are folders on the CD
[10:45] <hilz> but it doesn't seem to boot
[10:45] <carthik> CB, try double clicking the volume control icon in the panel and then seeing what the volume sliders are set  to, for different channels etc...
[10:45] <alterim> andysl
[10:46] <alterim> i've just installed mplayer and now menueditor
[10:46] <alterim> but the menueditor doesn't let me delete anything
[10:46] <carthik> CB, i ahve to go now...
[10:46] <whiskers> alterim, where did you get menueditor
[10:46] <carthik> later, folks
[10:46] <alterim> i press delete and it's still there
[10:46] <CB> carthik, sure, thanks for the help
[10:46] <alterim> whiskers someone gave me a url
[10:46] <whiskers> alterim, could you post the url
[10:46] <alterim> would if i knew
[10:47] <ogra> alterim, thats the reason its not included in hoary yet....its not ready
[10:47] <whiskers> alterim, google doesn't find anything
[10:47] <andysl> alterim
[10:47] <andysl> The reason it won't let you delete anything...
[10:47] <alterim> oh i see ogra, that would explain that
[10:47] <whiskers> alterim, oh it doesn't work yet
[10:47] <andysl> alterim, is because the item in your menu is probably 'system wide' or in other words, you don't have the right privileges to erase such item in the menu.
[10:47] <alterim> andysl what you have just said conflicts with what ogra has just said
[10:47] <andysl> alterim, however, if you create a menu item as current user - you will be able to delete/etc. it.
[10:47] <alterim> who is right?
[10:47] <alterim> is it ready, or is it not?
[10:47] <juca> hey all... i'm having some trouble w/ sata and ubuntu... on boot, the system "freezes" at "hotplug" startup... i know that is something related w/ sata, coz if i turn off the drive, my ubuntu boots fine... does somebody knows something about this?
[10:48] <epohs> Quick samba question.. I want to set up a public share that is accessible to all machines on my network with no passwords required.  Everything appears to be correct in my smb.conf file, and I can see the folder on my XP box, but I get an "Network access is denied" error once it's mapped, and it isn't browseable.
[10:48] <alterim> (this is what i hate about linux advice)
[10:48] <andysl> alterim:  The menu editor basically does this...
[10:48] <andysl> alterim:  There are files that contain information - in fact - think of it the same way microsoft windows handles menu's, with .lnk files and such...
[10:48] <andysl> its the same concept.
[10:48] <alterim> yeah i gather that
[10:48] <ogra> alterim, its working partially, but didnt match the QA for hoary... its author himself said its not ready yet
[10:48] <andysl> however the current stuff in your menu is all default/etc... - not 'alterim' but rather, 'root' if you catch my drift
[10:48] <alterim> i'm questioning why your advice and ogra's is conflicting
[10:49] <ogra> alterim, its not all black and white ;)
[10:49] <rapha> Hi all!
[10:49] <alterim> so what can i do to delete this stuff
[10:49] <alterim> ?
[10:49] <andysl> alterim: Manually do it
[10:49] <ogra> alterim, no idea...
[10:49] <alterim> i've got two mplayer icons, one works, and one doesn't
[10:49] <andysl> alterim:  Or, run the Menu editor AS root
[10:49] <alterim> how do i do that andysl that sounds easier for me
[10:49] <rapha> I'm trying to upgrade to Hoary, but apt-get dist-upgrade hangs at "ttf-opensymbol", displaying "Updating fontconfig cache..." and in top I can see fc-cache to be utilizing 99% CPU. Since a couple of hours now.
[10:50] <andysl> alterim: sudo file
[10:50] <andysl> heh
[10:50] <alterim> sudo file?
[10:50] <alterim> that didn't do anything
[10:50] <andysl> alterim
[10:50] <andysl> like
[10:50] <andysl> sudo menu-editor for instance
[10:50] <dizzey> how do i disable acpi in ubuntu (when i boot it says apm overridden by ACPI) then the system hangs
[10:50] <andysl> go into your terimanl
[10:50] <andysl> and type "sudo menu-editor"
[10:50] <alterim> ok thanks
[10:50] <andysl> that *should* do the trick
[10:51] <alterim> hasn't done
[10:51] <alterim> still won't let me delete
[10:51] <andysl> then the menu editor fails it ;)
[10:51] <drabo> hallo spricht jemand deutsch ist dies der Chat der ubuntuusers.de
[10:51] <andysl> and you are going to have to manually edit :|
[10:51] <alterim> how do i do that?
[10:51] <rapha> drabo: In #ubuntu-de findest du Deutsche
[10:51] <ogra> drabo, #ubuntu-de
[10:51] <drabo> ok danke
[10:51] <whiskers> alterim, what url did you get that menueditor...we can legally use that in the US
[10:52] <alterim> http://myosc.org/ubuntuguide/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[10:52] <SuperQ> menu editor?
[10:53] <alterim> andysl i'd quite like to get rid of these menu items!
[10:53] <andysl> alterim:  I understand - I'm looking for the menu 'stuff' in my filesystem right now lol
[10:53] <alterim> ok
[10:53] <alterim> it's funny that http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer tells you to do this menu editor stuff
[10:53] <ogra> alterim, be careful, it might wipe your whole menu... i would edit ~./local/share/applications myself...
[10:54] <onkarshinde> Has gaim1.2.1 been added to hoary repositories?
[10:54] <alterim> if menu editor isn't even ready for hoary...
[10:54] <andysl> alterim:  Do what ogra said
[10:54] <alterim> and how to i do that?
[10:54] <andysl> and if its not THERE...
[10:54] <alterim> how do i check
[10:54] <alterim> ?
[10:54] <andysl> then look in /usr/share/applications -- be careful not to ERASE everything
[10:54] <ogra> alterim, open a filemanager
[10:54] <alterim> ok....
[10:54] <ogra> alterim, press ctrl-h
[10:54] <alterim> what is the full stop before /local ?
[10:55] <ogra> alterim, look in .local
[10:55] <alterim> . ?
[10:55] <ogra> yep
[10:55] <alterim> ...
[10:55] <whiskers> great dpkg does work from the desktop
[10:55] <ogra> alterim, the name is .local (in words: dotlocal)
[10:55] <cd1680> hi i was just wondering if i could run i386 version of ubuntu on my amd64 machine
[10:56] <alterim> the dot means?
[10:56] <ogra> cd1680, sure, but why would you want that :)
[10:56] <DoppelGanger> :-p i can see you
[10:56] <whiskers> hmm...Travis Watkins is working on interesting stuff
[10:56] <ogra> alterim, its part of the name...
[10:56] <cd1680> ogra: because amd64 cant use cedega or ooo 2.0
[10:56] <alterim> i don't have a folder called .local
[10:56] <cd1680> ogra: or can it?
[10:56] <ogra> alterim, filenames that start with a dot are considered hidden in linux
[10:56] <alterim> ok thanks
[10:56] <alterim> i still can't find it
[10:57] <alterim> i double click on filesystem then where do i go?
[10:57] <ogra> cd1680, nope, but is that enough reason to loos all the nice performance ?
[10:57] <kev0r> how do i format a disk on linux, totally confused here!?!?
[10:57] <DoppelGanger> ha ha
[10:57] <DoppelGanger> mkreiserfs
[10:57] <DoppelGanger> mkdosfs
[10:57] <kev0r> buh?
[10:57] <alterim> i double click on filesystem then where do i go?
[10:57] <ogra> alterim, open your home folder
[10:57] <DoppelGanger> so forth so on
[10:57] <kev0r> yeh fuck that, there is no command mkdosfs
[10:58] <cd1680> ogra: can i use regular wine on amd64?
[10:58] <alterim> ok...
[10:58] <ogra> alterim, .local ist in your home folder...
[10:58] <ogra> cd1680, nope....
[10:58] <whiskers> how do you use menu editor...suppose i want to add streamtuner
[10:58] <alterim> there is no .local
[10:58] <alterim> oh yes there is
[10:58] <DoppelGanger> kev0r: what type of file system do you want
[10:58] <alterim> sorry
[10:58] <kev0r> ntfs
[10:58] <ogra> alterim, did you hit ctrl-h like i said before ?
[10:58] <alterim> yeah i got it
[10:58] <kev0r> that is the whole problem to start with ofc :)
[10:58] <cd1680> are you sure u cant even use wine on amd64?
[10:58] <DoppelGanger> he he install the packag that can make you format ntfs
[10:59] <ogra> alterim, in .local/share/applications are all your personal menu items
[10:59] <andrewski> how do i search the installed packages for (e.g.) 'kde'?
[10:59] <andrewski> to see which kde apps i have installed?
[10:59] <ogra> cd1680, yup, i am
[10:59] <alterim> deleted
[10:59] <alterim> sorted
[10:59] <alterim> :)
[10:59] <ogra> cd1680, but i know someone works on it....its just not ready yet
[10:59] <kerframil> kev0r: or you could format it as FAT, and later convert it to NTFS - you get better performance that way, anyway - especially if you perform an installation while it is still formatted as FAT
[11:00] <ogra> alterim, these files are only text files, you can just copy and edit them to create an new entry
[11:00] <alterim> so ~ = my home folder?
[11:00] <alterim> the tilde icon
[11:00] <ogra> yop
[11:00] <alterim> means home
[11:00] <alterim> sorted
[11:00] <kev0r> kerframil: how do i format it to fat32?
[11:01] <kev0r> that's the problem, cannot put shit on it when it's ntfs
[11:01] <alterim> oh man i deleted it from the .local/share/applications
[11:01] <alterim> but it's still in the menu
[11:01] <alterim> ...
[11:01] <kerframil> kev0r: mkdosfs -F 32 I believe
[11:01] <hulk> where can i change the iconsize of the icons in filebrowsers and on the desktop?
[11:01] <ogra> alterim, open a terminal, type: killall gnome-panel
[11:02] <ogra> alterim, shouldsort it
[11:02] <alterim> can i do that without a terminal?
[11:02] <CB> how do I set the default video player to  mplayer (i.e. it opens totem whenever I try to stream a wmv)
[11:02] <wjesusaxl> HAS ANYBODY INSTALL LINGO ???
[11:02] <wjesusaxl> HAS ANYBODY INSTALLED LINGO?
[11:02] <ogra> alterim, alt-f2
[11:02] <kev0r> ok thanks, i'll try
[11:02] <alterim> thanks!
[11:02] <ogra> alterim, type it in the text input
[11:02] <alterim> so what does that do, just refresh the panels?
[11:02] <chavo> wjesusaxl, yes and it broke my capslock key ALSO!
[11:02] <Climber> I don't see mplayer in the hoary or universe. Where is it?
[11:03] <Ben2004uk> wjesusaxl: whats lingo?
[11:03] <wjesusaxl> it's for linear programming
[11:03] <kerframil> Climber: multiverse
[11:03] <alterim> woohoo! i have mplayer installed properly
[11:04] <Ben2004uk> isnt it to do with Director
[11:04] <kozatt> hello here !
[11:04] <Huey> has anyone else run into the problem of xv not working properly in mplayer?
[11:05] <Huey> i have an ati all-in-wonder, so i tried 'apt-get install gatos', but that didn't seem to help anything
[11:05] <kev0r> kerframil: i haven't got mkdos thingy installed, when i search for it on Synaptic i find dosfstools, but after installing that i still have no mkdosfs executable
[11:05] <kerframil> kev0r: /sbin/mkdosfs ?
[11:05] <wjesusaxl> hey chavo .. did u get it installed?
[11:05] <nubbe> how come realplayer isn't in ubuntuguide?
[11:05] <kozatt> Huey : Mplayer has a native support for ATI cards, try the xvidix video output
[11:06] <kev0r> kerframil: there is a mkswap there, but no /sbin/mkdosfs
[11:06] <wjesusaxl> I set up the ambient variables properly already but
[11:06] <CB> how do I make mplayer the default for wmv files?
[11:06] <wjesusaxl> the su: ./lingo9: cannot execute binary file is still on
[11:07] <makyo2> hello
[11:07] <kerframil> kev0r: well that makes no sense - what does dpkg -L dosfstools say?
[11:07] <stuNNed> hi makyo2
[11:07] <kozatt> CB : Edit the /etc/mailcap file
[11:07] <kerframil> kev0r: here, I can clearly see both /sbin/mkdosfs and /sbin/mkfs.msdos
[11:07] <kozatt> hi makyo2
[11:07] <rOss^32> anyone got a ubuntu xmms skin ? so it all matches :)
[11:08] <kev0r> /sbin/mkfs.msdos
[11:08] <makyo2> anyone knows if it is possible to use the game/MIDI port in Ubuntu Hoary? I would like to use my midi keyboard...
[11:08] <kev0r> this is prolly what ur looking for
[11:08] <wjesusaxl> any help with Lingo?
[11:08] <kev0r> lol omg, plz shoot me kerframil
[11:08] <Krys^^> makyo2,  i saw a package earlier today that the description said "to play midi files"
[11:08] <kerframil> CB: in Nautilus, Properties -> Open With tab -> select mplayer (click Add button to add it as choice if necessary)
[11:08] <kev0r> it's just there
[11:08] <kev0r> hahaha
[11:08] <kev0r> *fuckt*
[11:09] <kerframil> kev0r: well that's a relief ;p
[11:09] <Dreamer3> crimsun: fixed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[11:09] <kev0r> so how do i know what /dev/sda it is?
[11:09] <kozatt> /log
[11:09] <nekrataal> Hey, how can i add a line to a bounch of files from bash?
[11:09] <kev0r> i've got sda1-4
[11:09] <scott> whatever happened to helix player?
[11:09] <kerframil> kev0r: sda? are you using SCSI or SATA?
[11:09] <makyo2> Krys^^: it could be just a software for playing midi files using a midi device
[11:09] <nekrataal> i need to add the OnlyShowIn=KDE; line to all the kde.desktop files so they dont show on ubuntu..
[11:10] <kev0r> uhm no :P
[11:10] <nekrataal> how can i do that?
[11:10] <Krys^^> *shrug*
[11:10] <kev0r> it's a usb thingy
[11:10] <kerframil> kev0r: oh
[11:10] <kev0r> can we PM?
[11:10] <kerframil> kev0r: if you wish
[11:10] <Dreamer3> crimsun: well, sorta... evidentally when i boot both video ports (i have a dual-out card) are mirrored... but after X is started and returns to console the console is only on right port (i was using the left)... i guess it should bother me that it isn't both (since I imagine with nv it's both) but now i can switch to console... and i'll prolly be happy until i switch to two monitors and see if that causes new problems :)
[11:10] <monkey89> are there any plans for a hoary dvd?
[11:11] <jesper> monkey89: allready there.
[11:11] <makyo2> anyone knows if it is possible to use the game/MIDI port inluded in my motherboard in Ubuntu Hoary? I would like to use my midi keyboard...
[11:11] <ogra> monkey89, it already exists
[11:11] <monkey89> where?
[11:11] <whiskers> man that menu editor is screwed to the max
[11:11] <monkey89> ah
[11:11] <jesper> monkey89: on the mirrors and as torrent
[11:11] <monkey89> n/m, the mirror I had looked on showed nothing
[11:11] <andrewski> sweet, so you can have kde and gnome on one disc. :P
[11:12] <whiskers> that thing made entries in the wrong place and you can't delete them
[11:12] <monkey89> it doesn't have kubuntu on it though, does it
[11:12] <andrewski> whiskers: why oh why did gnome just put one in now? :)
[11:13] <jesper> monkey89: that would be apt-get install kubuntu-desktop after installation.
[11:13] <whiskers> andrewski, well i don't know it put verify in sounds where i did not want it
[11:13] <whiskers> andrewski, and i can't delete it
[11:13] <Dreamer3> now that everything works ubuntu is so dull
[11:13] <andrewski> whiskers: well, i don't use it, i was just saying.  IIRC it's still beta. :)
[11:13] <monkey89> jesper, right: i was just saying that it would be cool if you had both desktops available on the dvd, since it is so big
[11:13] <Dreamer3> *laughs*
[11:13] <Ben2004uk> lol
[11:13] <andrewski> Dreamer3: get to work then. ;)
[11:14] <whiskers> nice try ...but it is not ready ye6t
[11:14] <whiskers> yet
[11:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: if i had a 2nd lcd i'd be setting up my dual view... might run into the office to grab a 19" CRT :)
[11:14] <Dreamer3> i just can't stand to use a CRT and LCD side by side anymore, icky
[11:14] <andrewski> Dreamer3: program, theme, sit around IRC... :P
[11:15] <Dreamer3> i need a sturdier desk
[11:16] <kivio> hello
[11:16] <klaym> is it possible to have fluxbox -style mouse menu navigating in ubuntu without having to install fluxbox?
[11:17] <Antioch> Anyone know where I can get the firfox icon of the fox around the globe (not the 3d one) instead of the default icon of a blue sphere?
[11:17] <nekrataal> how can i se the modes on a file?
[11:17] <Dreamer3> klaym: you mean to launch apps and stuff?
[11:17] <klaym> yes
[11:17] <Dreamer3> klaym: i dunno
[11:17] <Dreamer3> klaym: if you find out let me know though :)
[11:17] <Dreamer3> andrewski: any other distros firefox install? :)
[11:17] <klaym> Dreamer3: will do
[11:17] <kivio> i'm having a little trouble installing ubuntu, everything went fine untill i was asked to reboot. now the only thing i see is "LILO - Timestamp mismatch"
[11:17] <kivio> any ideas?
[11:17] <Dreamer3> Antioch: any other distros firefox install? :)
[11:18] <Dreamer3> kivio: weird
[11:18] <thoreauputic> klaym: in theory you could swap metacity with fluxbox as the gnome window manager
[11:18] <Roey> hi
[11:18] <Dreamer3> kivio: i thought it used grub... hmmm....
[11:18] <Roey> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=145437&cid=12176562
[11:18] <DooD> guys any idea why i can't install kde in hoary?
[11:18] <Roey> :P
[11:18] <wjesusaxl> any help with lingo
[11:18] <kivio> i did the default install Dreamer3
[11:18] <wjesusaxl> installing ling
[11:18] <punkrockguy318> Whenever I here a GNOME sound, sometimes, I hear the sound.. and then it repeats a second later... What can I do about this?  It's quite annoying
[11:18] <Antioch> Dreamer3 dont have any other distro.. if it was on my hd, Id have it
[11:18] <Dreamer3> klaym: can you really do taht?
[11:18] <andrewski> Antioch: you want the icon to show up in your menus?  or just have the file?
[11:18] <Dreamer3> andrewski: google for it
[11:18] <andrewski> Dreamer3: hey :P
[11:18] <klaym> thoreauputic: ok. 'in theory' only sounds a bit scary
[11:18] <klaym> :P
[11:18] <kivio> i can reinstall, but i could not find an option where i could choose grub
[11:19] <DooD> anyone know how to install kde on hoary?
[11:19] <Dreamer3> kivio: i have no lilo
[11:19] <punkrockguy318> DooD, apt-get install kubuntu-base
[11:19] <Antioch> andrewski I know how to change icons in the menu, but I need the png first, lol..
[11:19] <Dreamer3> kivio: ubuntu definately uses grub (unless you pick somewhere)
[11:19] <kivio> hehe
[11:19] <kivio> well
[11:19] <thoreauputic> klaym: I've never tried it myself - but some people use sawfish, some use enlightenment instead of metacity
[11:19] <andrewski> Antioch: search for png | grep firefox
[11:19] <kivio> i just pressed "continue" all the time
[11:19] <DooD> can't find the package
[11:19] <kivio> and its grub
[11:19] <DooD> where is it?
[11:19] <klaym> enlightenment seems nice too
[11:19] <kivio> ah
[11:20] <kivio> i meant lilo
[11:20] <kivio> :)
[11:20] <Dreamer3> andrewski: download the firefox install from their website
[11:20] <Dreamer3> Antioch: it has the official artwork
[11:20] <DooD> punkrockguy318: where's the package?
[11:20] <punkrockguy318> DooD, it's a meta-package
[11:20] <andrewski> Dreamer3: hey, i'm not the person you're trying to refer to!
[11:20] <tkz> Anyone got NetworkManager working in Hoary? Had it running in Warty but can't get it work after the update : (
[11:20] <LinuxJones> DooD, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:20] <DooD> punkrockguy318:it can't find it
[11:20] <Dreamer3> Antioch: http://www.pryan.org/mozilla/firefox/nosebleed/mozilla-firefox.png
[11:21] <punkrockguy318> DooD, apt-get install kubuntu-base
[11:21] <kivio> so what should i do Dreamer3, it's definatly lilo
[11:21] <kivio> not grub
[11:21] <wizz33> how do i take onwership of directory media from root?
[11:21] <Dreamer3> Antioch: next time use google
[11:21] <DooD> which mirror?
[11:21] <vessuvius81> I'm trying to setup a wireless card... but I keep running into a problem when i do sudo modprobe ndiswrapper .... get "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted"  Any ideas?
[11:21] <dorkster> Hi. Ubuntu/Kubuntu rock!  I have both DM's installed. Even after just using Kubuntu, if I click on "LAST" in the GDM menu, Gnome loads instead of KDE. How to fix?
[11:21] <kerframil> punkrockguy318: when you say "gnome sound" I presume you're referrering to the sound events (which are played be ESD)
[11:21] <DooD> archive.ubuntut.com/ hoary universe multiverse?
[11:21] <punkrockguy318> kerframil, correct
[11:21] <nekrataal> with chmod how do i set a file to be -rw-r--r--??
[11:22] <kerframil> punkrockguy318: you might try removing esd/esound and installing polypaudio instead - perhaps you'd be trading one set of problems for another, but polypaudio is of superior design as I understand it
[11:22] <Dreamer3> Antioch: hmmm, i jsut set the icon and it doesn't seem to take
[11:22] <thoreauputic> nekrataal: 644
[11:22] <Jarret_> i get a grub error 17 in 1.5 when i start up my computer... the drive was fresh beforehand...so..what the hell?
[11:22] <kerframil> punkrockguy318: also, both of them suppor alsa or oss backends - you may well find that you have the oss variant of esound installed, where perhaps you might get better results using the native alsa version
[11:22] <andrewski> Dreamer3: it's the .desktop file, hardcoded piece of crap.
[11:22] <punkrockguy318> kerframil, how do I switch to the alsa version?
[11:23] <nekrataal> Thanks thoreauputic
[11:23] <andrewski> Dreamer3: i put a bug in bugzilla about it, but apparently they don't see fit to fix it.  it's trivial.
[11:23] <Dreamer3> andrewski: you mean i can't change it even on the PANEL with the default UI?
[11:23] <thoreauputic> nekrataal: no worries :)
[11:23] <andrewski> Dreamer3: oh, should be able to.
[11:23] <LinuxJones> DooD, kubuntu-desktop is in main
[11:23] <Dreamer3> andrewski: i have no .desktop file
[11:23] <kerframil> punkrockguy318: good question, checking
[11:23] <andrewski> Dreamer3: /usr/share/applications
[11:23] <Dreamer3> andrewski: the icon shows and changed in the dialog, just not on the bar
[11:23] <tkz> Is there a trick to get NetworkManager up and running in Hoary?
[11:24] <Antioch> Dreamer3 did for me..
[11:24] <Dreamer3> Antioch: there, second go at it and i got it :)
[11:24] <kerframil> punkrockguy318: apt-get install libesd-alsa0
[11:24] <Antioch> Anyone know where the gnome menu config files are located?
[11:24] <Antioch> Dreamer3 awesome =)
[11:24] <Dreamer3> Antioch: glab you're happy
[11:24] <dorkster> Can anyone help me with GDM?
[11:24] <LinuxJones> Antioch, search the wiki for menueditor
[11:25] <Antioch> LinuxJones I used it, it isnt all that great. It made a new menu, I dont know how, but I need to delete it
[11:25] <Jarret_> is it possible for me to boot without grub?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Jarret_: you could use lilo I guess
[11:25] <Dreamer3> why did they rip out the firefox logo anyways?
[11:26] <DooD> LinuxJones: thanks bro seems to be working now
[11:26] <DooD> :)
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: Moz Foundation copyright issues
[11:26] <Jarret_> i get an error 17... but it's reiser.. so... why wouldn't it recognize it?
[11:26] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: everyone else can use it but ubuntu?
[11:26] <pmjdebruijn> Jarret_: yes I've had that too with JFS/XFS
[11:26] <pmjdebruijn> Jarret_: use ext3, you'll be fine
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: I don't know - you'd need to ask the devs I guess
[11:27] <linuxboy> i upgraded to hoary, but i see my XF86Config-4 file is still there, can I delete it ?
[11:27] <Dreamer3> oh well, i don't care :)
[11:27] <Dreamer3> just a little different
[11:27] <pmjdebruijn> Jarret_: grub error 17 means the partition exists, but grub doesn't recognize the filesystem
[11:27] <Jarret_> okay, tnx... is there any real performance difference between the filesystems?
[11:27] <wizz33> how do i take onwership of directory media from root?
[11:27] <punkrockguy318> kerframil, thank you, i'll give it a try
[11:27] <kerframil> Jarret_: yes, according to various tests I've done personally ext3 is generally better when using a 2.6 kernel (which is why I switched from reiserfs quite a while ago)
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: if you get one from the mozilla.org page , you could probably substitute it with a bit of hacking and renaming
[11:28] <rinkle> hey, can i get som help? don't know how to add drivers to my hardware (soundcard)
[11:28] <kerframil> Jarret_: despite the reiser hype
[11:28] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: perhaps, but it's prolly not as fast as the ubuntu one :)
[11:28] <Jarret_> hehe, okay thanks
[11:28] <thoreauputic> wizz33: you shouldn't
[11:28] <kerframil> Jarret_: particularly if you run tune2fs -O dir_index on the ext3 filesystem in question :)
[11:28] <rinkle> yjust installed ubuntu for the first time :S
[11:28] <kerframil> Jarret_: btw, if you use reiserfs with grub I think you need to make sure it's always mounted with the "notail" option, at least that was once the case
[11:29] <dorkster> Does anyone want to actually help me here?
[11:29] <tkz> Can someone help me out with NetworkManager related problem?
[11:29] <sig> dorkster: sure
[11:29] <sig> whats up
[11:29] <Jarret_> how can i change the setting in grub?
[11:29] <Antioch> Anyone know how to delete a menu? Menueditor managed to *create* an extra menu, and I want to delete it....
[11:29] <sig> Antioch: right click the menu and remove it
[11:29] <kerframil> dorkster: you never asked a question from what I can see ... standard protocol stipulates that that may aid in getting results ;p
[11:29] <dorkster> How to configure GDM so that 'LAST' works like it should, in the GDM menu?
[11:30] <Dreamer3> anyone use GL with transparency on nvidia with that special line in xorg.conf, any results?
[11:30] <Antioch> sig there is no right click, otherwise I would have done that long ago, lol...
[11:30] <kdp> sig: that doenst work in gnome 2.10
[11:30] <kerframil> Jarret_: you mean the notail setting?
[11:30] <Jarret_> yeah
[11:30] <kerframil> Jarret_: I think that, if you don't do it from the beginning, it's too late - but you can still try
[11:30] <sig> kdp: yes it does
[11:30] <dizzey> ubuntu fresses for me during boot console-screen.sh says /dev/tty1 no such file or directory i did try to boot with init=/bin/bash and checkd dev and the file was there
[11:30] <sig> I just did it last night
[11:30] <dorkster> How to configure GDM so that 'LAST' works like it should, in the GDM menu?
[11:30] <wizz33> thoreauputic, i need to copy a partition from a win2k comp and i have created this partion especially fot it during install
[11:31] <LinuxJones> dorkster, if it's not working as advertised you can always install kdm
[11:31] <kerframil> Jarret_: you neeed to alter your /etc/fstab - that's not something that can be done from grub
[11:31] <kdp> sig: ......since when?  the whole thing about menueditor is because its NOT allowed
[11:31] <Jarret_> okay, well i didn't see any options regarding grub in the ubuntu installer
[11:31] <kerframil> Jarret_: you'll need some kind of LiveCD or something, if you can't get into your system at present
[11:31] <Jarret_> oh okay, just a live cd then?
[11:31] <Jarret_> okay thanks
[11:31] <sig> kdp: well It worked for me
[11:31] <kerframil> Jarret_: reiser is something I'd still use on a 2.4 system, but definitely not 2.6
[11:31] <thoreauputic> wizz33: you probably need to edit /etc/fstab - not chage the permissions on the mount point
[11:31] <kdp> sig: using hoary? and gnome 2.10?
[11:32] <Jarret_> what's the default from ubuntu 5.04?
[11:32] <sig> kdp:  yes, dist-upgrade last night
[11:32] <sig> all works flawlessly
[11:32] <Dreamer3> does gnome really not support side panels well?
[11:32] <Jarret_> er.r. the kernal version?
[11:32] <Dreamer3> i can't make it big enough to be useful with a task list
[11:32] <spikeb> Dreamer3  basically
[11:33] <rinkle> how do u install the drivers 4 soundcards?
[11:33] <kdp> sig: does dist-upgrade do gnome as well as ubuntu?
[11:33] <thoreauputic> wizz33: ls -ld /media should probably have 755 permissions ( rwx-r-x-r-x) and belong to root
[11:33] <tkz> kdp: yes, seems to upgrade gnome too
[11:34] <momomo> i just dist-upgrade'ed to hoary, but now sound doesnt work at all. can someone help?
[11:34] <holycow> speaking of gnome and side panels, is there a way to lock the panels so they cannot be dragged without having access to sudo?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> wizz33: ls -ld /media would show you
[11:34] <thundrcleeze> same here, momomo
[11:34] <penguin42> bah - mozilla is really mozilla-firefox
[11:34] <yojimbo-san> penguin42: and why not? Mozilla are withdrawing support for the full suite program
[11:34] <ogra> penguin42, mozilla-browser is still there
[11:34] <tkz> How do I get NetworkManager running in Hoary?
[11:35] <yojimbo-san> so the default goes to their preferred program, firefox
[11:35] <penguin42> yojimbo-san, In this case because firefox has a bug in it so I wanted to go back to mozilla
[11:35] <djp> hi. does anyone here know what the difference is between Default Sink and Default Source under Multimedia Systems Selector? The reason I ask is because I wish to change the default audio playback to ALSA in order to rectify audo/video syncing with totem-gstreamer
[11:35] <kerframil> Jarret_: yeah
[11:35] <Dreamer3> i feel like there could be a more intuitive way to organize what i do than what i have now
[11:35] <yojimbo-san> penguin42: sure, it was just the default though :-)
[11:35] <penguin42> ogra: Ah - ok
[11:35] <rinkle> damn. this sucks...
[11:35] <momomo> any ideas on hoary sound problems? im using a turtle beach santa cruz with alsa driver cs46xx
[11:35] <cavediver> Anyone good at tv-out on nvidia cards?
[11:35] <Dreamer3> it would help if i could click on the desktop and get a task list though
[11:35] <wizz33> thoreauputic,  that it does, i have alredy chanded it to test it but chmod a media does gives an error
[11:35] <penguin42> (It's rather annoying one actually - it won't import bookmarks for me - and apparently at least one other person)
[11:36] <ogra> penguin42, use "add remove applications" from applications->system tools
[11:36] <Jarret_> ok thank you kerframil
[11:36] <djp> momomo: what is the problem?
[11:36] <jordanau> momomo, have you tried the forums? there are tons of toics on it one might help
[11:36] <penguin42> ogra: Oh what is that - yet another apt front end ?
[11:36] <ogra> penguin42, a frontend to the apt frontend ;)
[11:37] <spikeb> lol
[11:37] <penguin42> ogra: Haha
[11:37] <thoreauputic> wizz33: if the permissions ar as I said, then they are correct - it's a question of getting your /etc/fstab entry right
[11:37] <wizz33> ok
[11:37] <momomo> jordanau, i was just on the forums, still looking around tho
[11:37] <djp> Does anyone know what the difference is between Default Sink and Default Source under Multimedia Systems Selector? The reason I ask is because I wish to change the default audio playback to ALSA in order to rectify audo/video syncing with totem-gstreamer
[11:38] <momomo> djp, i dist-upgraded to hoary, now no sound at all.. using alsa cs46xx
[11:39] <tkz> Is there a repository from which I could get a newer version of wireless-tools package than the one that's default in Hoary?
[11:39] <djp> momomo: check the settings under multimedia systems selector for audio
[11:39] <stuNNed> tkz: why do you need newer tools? sure it's not your driver?
[11:40] <djp> momomo: although, i am trying to figure out what the choices actually are!
[11:40] <rijad> hey, can any1 help me?
[11:40] <tkz> stuNNed, I had NetworkManager working in Warty. The key then was to upgrade wireless-tools. Now apt-get says I have newest version but the "radar" does not show up and can't use the wlan in Hoary
[11:40] <jordanau> rijad, hey whats up sorry i had to leave earlier so fast
[11:40] <yojimbo-san> rijad: only if you tell us what you want ...
[11:41] <Dreamer3> ok can i switch wm in gnome simply by killing one and restarting another?
[11:41] <momomo> djp, ah i hadnt seen this before
[11:41] <stuNNed> tkz: ah, NetworkManager, don't know about that one, I've tried to get it working but couldn't so gave up :)
[11:41] <willhig> um - hello - can someone help me with something? the first post is at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=112897
[11:41] <Dreamer3> no, metacity restarts
[11:42] <tkz> stuNNed, have you found some other nice way to switch between wireless networks?
[11:42] <rijad> heh sorry, was reading the damn ubuntu guide... but now that i have got ndiswrapper to work, i need to get the soundcard and my dvd.burner to work :S
[11:43] <vessuvius81> I'm trying to setup the wireless on my dell (truemobile 1180) and having all kinds of fits
[11:43] <jordanau> rijad, congrats on ndiswrapper!!!
[11:43] <stuNNed> tkz: like on the fly?  not really, i usually do 'iwconfig wlan0 essid "SSID" ; dhclient wlan0 ; /etc/init.d/ipkungfu restart' so no :)
[11:43] <Dreamer3> rijad: and after all that, pray for the day when it all works "out of the box"
[11:43] <stuNNed> tkz: or use network-admin, they should show up there if the SSID's are published.
[11:43] <vessuvius81> rijad, how the hell did you get ndiswrapper working? ;-)
[11:43] <djp> momomo: any joy?
[11:43] <willhig> is there another channel where I can get help without interrupting anyone?
[11:43] <willhig> >_<``
[11:43] <jordanau> rijad, did you find a guide to follow? If so link it here for others
[11:44] <momomo> djp, no joy
[11:44] <rijad> yeah, wait
[11:44] <tkz> stuNNed, huh... complicated...  ...with Warty and NetworkManger I was able to just click on the network I wanted to use and *blim* I was in the net
[11:44] <vessuvius81> please pleas e please :)
[11:44] <smouche> that wouldn't be a very helpful channel, would it willhig ... !
[11:44] <willhig> ^_^ ok, thanks
[11:44] <willhig> I suppose...
[11:44] <djp> I gather no one knows what the difference is between Default Sink and Default Source under Multimedia Systems Selector? The reason I ask is because I wish to change the default audio playback to ALSA in order to rectify audo/video syncing with totem-gstreamer
[11:45] <willhig> I just don't want to interrupt anything going on now...
[11:45] <willhig> :P
[11:45] <stuNNed> tkz: yeah, something more 'on the fly' would be nice as default in ubuntu :)
[11:45] <momomo> djp, joy! i installed alsamixergui, and then unmuted 'external amplifier'
[11:45] <stuNNed> momomo: kewlios
[11:45] <momomo> djp, source and sink are both set to alsa in that tool
[11:45] <vessuvius81> how can I totally uninstall ndiswrapper to try a clean install again?
[11:45] <rijad> The guide that worked for me, the link is roken so here is the chache by google: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?hl=sv&q=cache:www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper&spell=1
[11:46] <tkz> stuNNed, yep... I guess I'll try to get the NetworkManager running....
[11:46] <djp> momomo: good!
[11:46] <Quenyar> If I take my ubuntu box (Hoary) to another location and start it up with a different monitor, will the OS detect that the change has happened?
[11:46] <jordanau> vessuvius81,  sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper, I think, Is that right guys?
[11:47] <momomo> nice, good luck to everyone else :)
[11:47] <willhig> ndiswrapper notes the driver to my wireless card was installed correctly and the hardware is present, but iwconfig / ifconfig do not list wlan0...
[11:47] <rijad> jordanau, can i pm you?
[11:47] <jordanau> vessuvius81, you might not want to do it without a second opinion though
[11:47] <jordanau> rijad, yeah
[11:47] <stuNNed> vessuvius81: (1) remove with the driver, first list it with ndiswrapper -l then afaik ndiswrapper -e whatever.inf (2) rmmod ndiswrapper (3) apt-get --purge remove ndiswrapper-utils
[11:48] <stuNNed> tkz: i'm sure you know about http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ right?  but that's the one i couldn't get working
[11:48] <rijad> hmm maybie that wasn't the right command i yust used
[11:48] <jordanau> rijad, #jordanau
[11:48] <vessuvius81> thnx stunned
[11:49] <Quenyar> anybody know if ubuntu will detect a change in monitors?
[11:49] <tkz> stuNNed, yes that is how I got it running in Warty, plus I had to upgrade wireless-tools. No luck in Hoary though
[11:49] <Quenyar> How do you configure a firewall for ubuntu?
[11:50] <mwh_> Hi, just upgraded to hoary, and im wondering what whent wrong .. cause I do not have the new update-manager installed and synaptic seems to be the old one
[11:50] <mwh_> also about ubuntu does not show up in my menus
[11:50] <stuNNed> tkz: afaik i tried it the other day in Hoary, no luck here either :(
[11:50] <willhig> ndiswrapper notes the driver to my wireless card was installed correctly and the hardware is present, but iwconfig / ifconfig do not list wlan0... what do I do if I can't configure wlan0? It acts like it doesn't exist!
[11:51] <LinuxJones> mwh_, did you do a dist-upgrade ?
[11:51] <willhig> ??????
[11:51] <stuNNed> willhig: reinsert the card?
[11:51] <LinuxJones> mwh_, sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:51] <mwh_> LinuxJones: I used synaptic to install
[11:51] <willhig> haha - I've done that many times - it won't boot with it in and the driver installed >_<``
[11:51] <masa> Does anyone know if hoary should detect a Compaq Smart Array 2 controller and load the cpqarray module? It seems like it does not...?
[11:52] <LinuxJones> mwh_, run that command from console it should get you fixed up
[11:52] <mwh_> LinuxJones: doesnt seemt to help .. hmm
[11:53] <LinuxJones> mwh_, ok apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:53] <willhig> stuNNed, I have to uninstall the driver for the system to boot past "Configuring Network Interfaces"
[11:53] <oo> hello. I am trying to follow the howto http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EncryptedFilesystemHowto - but I cannot install the package cryptsetup - what repository can I get it from?
[11:53] <mwh_> in my sources.list I got deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[11:53] <mwh_> is that okay
[11:53] <Quenyar> I'm trying to read mail from another linux host on my LAN but I get connection refused from evolution.  How do I allow the connection?
[11:53] <holycow> is nvidia glx still borked?
[11:53] <mwh_> LinuxJones: that seems to do something
[11:53] <stuNNed> willhig: do you mean it hangs on ndiswrapper driver at boot?
[11:53] <thundrcleeze> I've got momomo's problem, only I've got a sb audigy.
[11:53] <stuNNed> willhig:  or 'loading ndiswrapper' or whatever?
[11:54] <willhig> stuNNed, that is probably what it is, but it never mentions ndiswrapper
[11:54] <penguin42> Quenyar, connection refused is either  1) You have a firewall in the way    or   2) The other machine isn't running a suitable demon to let you read mail (e.g. pop or imap demon)
[11:54] <stuNNed> willhig:  sometimes it's the simple things we miss :)
[11:54] <vessuvius81> Everytime I try I get "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted"
[11:54] <LinuxJones> mwh_, it will install a bunch of dependency's that Ubuntu needs to run successfully
[11:54] <willhig> stuNNed, that sounds like the problem...
[11:54] <holycow> okay ubuntuguide.org is awesome
[11:54] <stuNNed> vessuvius81: 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' ?
[11:54] <holycow> that really is what a lot of newbs need
[11:54] <holycow> nice
[11:54] <vessuvius81> stunned, yeah
[11:55] <vessuvius81> that's after I install ndiswrapper-utils, sudo ndiswrapper to my bcmwl5.inf
[11:55] <jordanau> yep between that and "introduction to linux" you are well on your way
[11:55] <eruin> I feel so leet seeing my own commits in #commits :-)
[11:55] <Witigonen> Does the 5.04 livecd have any partitioning tools on it?
[11:55] <penguin42> hmm this is going to take some getting used to ; I've switched from Debian/sid to ubuntu at the same time as doing a KDE->Gnome switch
[11:56] <mwh_> LinuxJones: aha, hope it helps :)
[11:56] <eruin> penguin42: haha
[11:56] <stuNNed> vessuvius81: did you install the .inf driver file?
[11:56] <eruin> penguin42: I did the kde->gnome leap around gnome 2.4
[11:56] <willhig> stuNNed: how do I prevent ndiswrapper from stalling at boot? should I try reinstallation?
[11:56] <eruin> penguin42: it was hell :-)
[11:56] <Misogynist> The tendency of KDE and GNOME to constantly leapfrog each other drives me nuts
[11:56] <LinuxJones> mwh_, just logout then back in again
[11:56] <stuNNed> willhig: oh!
[11:56] <penguin42> eruin, I'm trying hard - but I might either change back or install some kde bits - gnome-terminal is getting on my wick!
[11:57] <vessuvius81> stunned, yeah... sudo ndiswrapper -i /windows/Dell/Drivers/r46482/bcmwl5.inf
[11:57] <Misogynist> I was using KDE for a long time, switched to GNOME when I got my new computer, switched to KDE when 3.2 RC1 came out, switched to XFce not long after that, back to GNOME, and then finally to KDE with the 3.4 release
[11:57] <eruin> penguin42: you could always install kubuntu
[11:57] <stuNNed> willhig: which card is this?  are there any other wifi driver modules loaded?  if so you might need to blacklist them in /etc/hotplug/blacklist then reboot, same for you vessuvius81
[11:57] <vessuvius81> and that gives me "Installing bcmwl5 \ Forcing parameter RadioState|0 to RadioState|1"
[11:57] <penguin42> eruin: Indeed - I may well do
[11:57] <tkz> stuNNed, I think I will try to compile the NetworkManager from source and see how that goes. I'll let you know in a while
[11:57] <Quenyar> penguin42 how do I tell if there is a pop or impa daemon running on my fedora2 host?
[11:57] <mwh_> LinuxJones: ok
[11:57] <mwh_> LinuxJones: thanks
[11:57] <willhig> stuNNed: It's a Linksys WMP54G version 4, the Ralink chipset.
[11:57] <thundrcleeze> I've got momomo's problem, with the sound destroying itself after a dist-upgrade to hoary, only I've got a sb audigy. I've tried even compling my own drivers with the alsa-source, but I don't think I did it right.
[11:57] <jordanau> Quenyar, pstree?
[11:58] <LinuxJones> mwh_, NP ;)
[11:58] <dawizard> how can I remove the acx kernel drivers? Is it good if I just remove that directory from /lib/....
[11:58] <kh-rit> what is Backports repositories?
[11:58] <vessuvius81> stunned:
[11:58] <vessuvius81> ndiswrapper -l
[11:58] <vessuvius81> Installed ndis drivers:
[11:58] <vessuvius81> bcmwl5  driver present, hardware present
[11:58] <vessuvius81> :-/
[11:58] <sataere> Hey, what's the pppoe client installed in Ubuntu's Hoary?
[11:58] <eruin> I really dislike people pointing questions at random specific people
[11:58] <eruin> :o
[11:58] <penguin42> Quenyar, If you haven't installed one there probably isn't - do a ps and look what is installed or use netstat -p to see what ports things are listening on
[11:58] <stuNNed> tkz: that would be great
[11:58] <penguin42> So, what is the Ubuntu way of building a kernel
[11:58] <willhig> stuNNed: I have a thread at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=112897
[11:59] <willhig> stuNNed: it didn't help
[11:59] <Misogynist> The usual way is to not build one at all and just download the kernel package for your arch
[11:59] <thoreauputic> penguin42: the debian way, pretty much
[11:59] <sander__> Which MARILLAT repo should I used with Hoary?
[11:59] <Misogynist> Yeah, there's also the Debian way of course :)
[11:59] <LinuxJones> willhig, same as building a debian kernel for the most part
[11:59] <eruin> sander__: the unstable one
[11:59] <sander__> thank eruin
[11:59] <willhig> LinusJones, I don't know how to build kernels >_< I'm a newb


[06:20] <Dirk> help i am brand new to ubuntu like half hour new!!! i'm trying to run the update manager to aquire audio and video codecs to play movies. problem is that the update manager just seems to hang once i click the install updates button.  another window pops up saying applying changes but it's not downloading (the progress bar doesn't move)_ it just hangs.
[06:22] <Dirk> anybody home???
[06:28] <Dirk> hello
[06:57] <unheeding> LOL NOOBS
[07:16] <blazemore> unheeding: why would you even do that?
[07:17] <unheeding> oh look it's this noob
[07:17] <unheeding> i bet he hasn't even installed Arch before
[07:26] <blazemore> unheeding: You know damn well I have
[07:29] <unheeding> then why do you hang out in #ubuntu-beginners
[07:32] <blazemore> To help people...
[07:32] <blazemore> It'd be a bit of a crappy channel if it was all newbies and no veterans
[08:01] <unheeding> oh
[08:01] <unheeding> carry on then
[08:01] <unheeding> maybe one day they will amount to somehting.  and install Debian.


[10:23] <zothix> Hi
[10:24] <zothix> is there a way to change Crypto signature in launchpad?
[10:59] <ilasc> hi zothix
[10:59] <ilasc> do you mean the ssh key or pgp key ?
[11:04] <zothix> ilasc, pgp key
[11:04] <zothix> so basically i have a crypto project launched on vlaunch
[11:05] <zothix> and i am thinking of changing the key, as described by my superior, but i am new in this tech and i dont really know where i should be looking into
[11:14] <cjwatson> You can just import a different key into Launchpad and start using it
[11:15] <cjwatson> (for things like signing your uploads to PPAs)
[11:17] <zothix> cjwatson, so the project is on my linux distribution, i dont need to edit project?
[11:17] <zothix> just go to launchpad website and edit the key?
[11:22] <cjwatson> One of us is confused
[11:23] <cjwatson> What key exactly are you talking about?  Be specific, preferably with a URL
[16:14] <bandali> hi cjwatson just confirming that preserving ~/.local/share/snapcraft/provider/ indeed worked, thanks again :)
[16:26] <cjwatson> good stuff


[04:52] <Hobbsee> \o/ mrevell!
[04:53] <wgrant> Oh, it wasn't 24 days late?
[04:54] <wgrant> This is good.
[04:54] <Hobbsee> they've ditched the real name policy!
[04:55] <wgrant> So I saw.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> mpt: thanks for trying, anyway.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> mpt: even if the answer seems to be less than satisfactory.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> (imo, anyway)
[09:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:36] <mpt> Hobbsee, judge that by our future availability, not by the exact methods we use to achieve it :-)
[09:37] <mpt> Also, I prefer a recovery system that doesn't require user intervention over one that does
[09:37] <mpt> so what transpired in the meeting is good news, I think.
[09:48] <wgrant> mpt: AFAICS all that transpired was people saying it wasn't an issue, because it was resolved within minutes of people noticing. I saw nothing about making people notice, unless that comment about talking to IS counts.
[09:48] <wgrant> bigjools: Around?
[09:49] <bigjools> wgrant: aye
[09:50] <wgrant> bigjools: I saw your description change on the MOTU archive admin spec... not just anybody in MOTU should be able to do that - you'll still definitely need a new celeb for that.
[09:50] <bigjools> wgrant: it's all in hand, fear not
[09:50] <wgrant> For build administration it's OK without a new celeb, but not archive administration.
[09:50] <bigjools> we are not using celebs, that's all
[09:51] <wgrant> bigjools: OK, as long as you're not opening it up entirely.
[09:52] <bigjools> wgrant: no, we might appear stupid sometimes but we're not that stupid
[09:52] <wgrant> Heh, the spec makes it appear somewhat like it was being restricted to uploaders.
[09:53] <wgrant> Er, bug, not spec. I mixed up my mail
[09:53] <bigjools> I had a long-ish chat with Jordan yesterday and he's clued in
[09:54] <wgrant> Great.
[09:54] <mpt> wgrant, that was just kiko. He didn't mean that.
[10:12] <wgrant> mpt: I thought I saw SteveA say something of the sort, but perhaps.
[12:52] <Hobbsee> mpt: i do too, but i prefer multiple processes for if something screws up.  backups, if you will.
[12:52] <Hobbsee> as in, in the likely event that launchpad dies, AND IS doesn't respond, say, within an hour, then this procedure occurs.
[12:52] <Hobbsee> mpt: or whatever your preferred timeframe is
[12:54] <Hobbsee> mpt: i wasnt' expecting you to replace IS with something community driven.
[12:54] <Hobbsee> just if launchpad and IS fail, which it did over the weekend, and also did over christmas.
[13:03] <mantiena> Hi all
[13:04] <Hobbsee> heya
[13:12] <emgent> heya people
[13:13] <Hobbsee> heya
[13:13] <Hobbsee> good evening mrevell
[13:15] <mrevell> morning Hobbsee
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #221866 in launchpad "mirror sites with multiple hosts behind one name should be probed more completely" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221866
[15:11] <marnanel> Hey folks.  I am a little tired of seeing the default icon beside https://launchpad.net/metacity (I'm one of the upstream maintainers).  I don't have permissions to change the branding; how do I find out who does?
[15:14] <wgrant> marnanel: Ask a question at the URL in the topic. You could even get the ownership of the project transferred to you, most likely.
[15:17] <marnanel> wgrant: Okay, lovely.  Thank you!
[15:31] <marnanel> wgrant: "the URL in the topic" being help.l.n? I see lots of pages of help there but nowhere to ask a question (and actually it says "Contact us at #launchpad on Freenode").  Sorry to be slow.
[15:32] <wgrant> marnanel: answers.l.n
[15:32] <wgrant> A few characters later.
[15:32]  * marnanel laughs.  sorry
[15:47] <Zelut> can anyone help me with moving my LP project to a new URL?
[15:47] <wgrant> Zelut: Ask a question at the URL in the topic.
[15:47] <wgrant> An admin should attend to your request soon.
[15:48] <Zelut> wgrant: I did post a question on the answers section and then got an email this morning saying after 15 days it has expired.
[15:48] <Zelut> so I thought I'd drop in here and poke someone about it
[15:49] <wgrant> Zelut: Reopen it if you can - it has probably just been overlooked, and the reopening email may elicit a response.
[15:51] <Zelut> wgrant: done. thank you.
[16:04] <ubotu> New bug: #221938 in malone "Email interface crashes when an attachment file name contains a slash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221938
[17:03] <ubotu> New bug: #221988 in rosetta "Preserve XPI external entities" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221988
[17:04] <ubotu> New bug: #221982 in launchpad "Out of list project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221982
[17:08] <seb128> hi
[17:08] <seb128> did the upstream watches updates code stopped running or something?
[17:20] <gmb> seb128: Why do you ask?
[17:21] <seb128> because the desktop bugs have tasks which are in an unknow state for days now
[17:21] <seb128> and I though the update used to run daily or something
[17:22] <seb128> that's handy to know when there is a patch available to backport from upstream for example
[17:25] <gmb> seb128: Can you give me an example bug? I'll look into it.
[17:25] <gmb> Bug watches should get updated once a day.
[17:26] <seb128> gmb: bug #210468
[17:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210468 in gvfs "try to access a .Trash-$USER directory on autofs mounts" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210468 - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)
[17:27]  * gmb looks
[17:28] <seb128> gmb: or bug #216763
[17:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216763 in gvfs "gvfsd-http crashed with SIGSEGV in soup_str_case_hash()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216763 - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)
[17:28] <seb128> or bug #216763
[17:28] <seb128> ups, #217975 rather
[17:30] <gmb> seb128: Well, the bug watches against bugzilla.gnome.org are being updated.
[17:30] <gmb> So this is a bit weird.
[17:30] <gmb> seb128: Let me look into it and I'll get back to you.
[17:31] <seb128> gmb: right, I got 8 mails from Bug Watch Updater this week
[17:32] <seb128> gmb: and we tens of watch every week usually
[17:32] <seb128> +add
[17:33] <gmb> seb128: Right. I think I know what the problem is, but I just want to check before I put my money where my mouth is. Bear with me.
[17:33] <seb128> gmb: the activity seems "normal" until march 27 in my inbox
[17:33] <seb128> and very slow since
[17:33] <seb128> gmb: alright, no hurry, thanks ;-)
[17:49] <gmb> seb128: Right. I've spoken to our sysadmins and I've done a bit of poking around.
[17:50] <gmb> Basically, the problem is that we've implemented some load balancing to avoid hitting remote bugtrackers for too many bugs at one time.
[17:50] <gmb> For exampl, we have 7000 gnome-bugs watches.
[17:51] <seb128> you are telling me that we open too many GNOME bug upstream there ;-)
[17:51] <gmb> Shh, don't tell anyone else ;)
[17:51] <seb128> ah ah
[17:51] <gmb> Seriously though, our problem was that we weren't updating all of them every day.
[17:51] <seb128> 7000 seems to be a lot, do you count closed bugs?
[17:51] <gmb> seb128: Yes, because they could be reopened.
[17:52] <seb128> alright
[17:52] <gmb> Anyway, we weren't checking often enough, or getting enough bugs in one go.
[17:52] <gmb> So we missed some of them.
[17:52] <seb128> I see
[17:52] <gmb> seb128: We're going to fix that by having our import script run more frequently.
[17:52] <gmb> So come Monday everything should be sorted out.
[17:52] <seb128> ok, thanks
[17:52] <gmb> seb128: No problem.
[17:52] <LaserJock> mrevell: ping
[17:53] <seb128> gmb: one idea for your balancing though, check closed bugs less often
[17:53] <seb128> gmb: that's likely a high number of watchs where things are really not changing often
[17:53] <gmb> True enough.
[17:54] <gmb> We're actually going through quite a bit of refactoring work in that area, so that's one of the things that we might well look into. Thanks for the suggestion.
[17:54] <seb128> you are welcome ;-)
[17:54] <mrevell> hey LaserJock
[17:55] <LaserJock> mrevell: do I understand your blog post correctly to mean that bug contacts will now have access to private bugs?
[17:55] <LaserJock> i.e. we have a rather large privilege escalation
[17:56] <mrevell> LaserJock: I'm sorry, I made a stupid mistake there.
[17:56] <mrevell> LaserJock: I'll post a correction immediately.
[17:58] <LaserJock> mrevell: does "target bugs to milestones" mean they can make nominations or accept nominations?
[18:00] <mrevell> LaserJock: That's setting something a series goal, which is still down to the driver to accept.
[18:00] <mrevell> LaserJock: They can target a bug to a milestone, though.
[18:02] <LaserJock> mrevell: "regular" users can't set the privacy of a bug or mark bug reports as security issues?
[18:02] <mrevell> LaserJock: They can but I included it in the role as it's often something taken on by bug contacts. Perhaps that's confusing. I'll remove it.
[18:03] <LaserJock> mrevell: but can't any users nominate a bug to a milestone?
[18:04] <LaserJock> I'm just trying to figure out what exactly is being changed and what additional privileges bug supervisors are getting :-)
[18:04] <mrevell> LaserJock: No, not as far as I'm aware.
[18:04] <LaserJock> you sure, we have our contributors do it all the time
[18:04] <mrevell> LaserJock: Damn, my blog post has failed, in that case. There are no additional priviliedges.
[18:04] <mrevell> er, privileges
[18:04] <mrevell> it's just a name change.
[18:05] <LaserJock> I don't think they're all in the ubuntu-bugcontrol team
[18:05] <LaserJock> well, the statuses thing could be a new privilege right?
[18:05] <LaserJock> what about Importance?
[18:06] <mrevell> LaserJock: No, the statuses have been in place for a long time.
[18:06] <LaserJock> ok, so then what's the difference between a Bug Subscriber and a Bug Supervisor again? :-)
[18:07] <mrevell> Hmm, LaserJock I think I should ask BjornT to intervene here :)
[18:09] <BjornT> mrevell, LaserJock: 'bug contact' has been renamed to 'bug supervisor'. that's pretty much all to it :) we renamed it, since a 'bug contact' doesn't have to be subscribed to all the bug mail anymore.
[18:10] <LaserJock> BjornT: how does that work?
[18:11] <LaserJock> a Bug Supervisor can just unsubscribe from bugs like a normal user would?
[18:13] <LaserJock> doesn't seem to work for me on edge
[18:13] <BjornT> LaserJock: no, not quite. some someone gets set as 'bug supervisor' for a project, he will automatically be (implicitly) subscried to the project's bugs. however, the bug supervisor choose to remove the subscription, and then he won't be subscribed to the implicitly subscribed bugs anymore.
[18:13] <LaserJock> ok, so:
[18:13] <LaserJock> 1) this is only for Projects, right?
[18:14] <LaserJock> 2) current bug contacts are not automatically turned into bug supervisors?
[18:20] <BjornT> LaserJock: this is for Products and Distributions. they current bug contacts are automatically turned into bug supervisors, with a subscription. it's just a name change.
[18:22] <LaserJock> but not for packages, right?
[18:23] <LaserJock> which is very key, since there are waaaaay more package bug contacts than Product or Distribution bug contacts
[18:26] <BjornT> LaserJock: right, not for packages. 'bug contact' for packages were renamed to 'subscriber'. that's what they were, they never had any special privileges.
[18:26] <LaserJock> so that's an important distinction, IMO
[18:26] <mrevell> bjornT So, I should make that clear in the blog post.
[18:26] <mrevell> Okay, thanks LaserJock
[18:27] <LaserJock> you don't necessarily want to write to the 1% of people will be affected ;-)
[18:27] <LaserJock> and get the rest of us all excited ;-)
[18:28] <mrevell> LaserJock: Sorry, the blog post starts off talking about project bug contact but it's obviously not clear enough. Thanks for letting me know.
[18:28] <mrevell> I've got to shoot. Back later.
[18:57] <nxvl> hi!
[18:57] <nxvl> is there any problem with openID login and ubuntu store?
[18:57] <nxvl> i can't log in
[20:06] <emgent> heya
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #222097 in launchpad-documentation "help.launchpad.net theme confusingly similar to Launchpad theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222097
[20:31] <mtaylor> statik: around
[20:31] <mtaylor> ?
[22:11] <Rinchen> mtaylor, it's after his normal hours
[22:11] <Rinchen> mtaylor, if he has normal hours :-)
[22:11] <Rinchen> nxvl, really?
[22:12] <Rinchen> nxvl, I would love to hear about it
[22:12] <Rinchen> nxvl, we've been seeing intermittent issues.  I think it's the store's code but I've had some difficulty in pinning it down.
[22:12] <Rinchen> nxvl, can you email me a step by step of what happens<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:14] <korpios> Launchpad's "register" form states "Register an *upstream* open source project" ... what if I just want to register a new project that isn't already hosted anywhere else?  Am I at the wrong form?
[22:15] <rockstar_> korpios, you're at the right form.
[22:15] <korpios> okay ... the upstream reference is a bit confusing :)
[22:16] <rockstar_> Just fill out the information, and then you can hash out the details once the project is created
[22:16] <rockstar_> You're right though, the upstream is a bit confusing
[22:19] <Rinchen> yeah, it of course means upstream from Ubuntu/LP
[22:20]  * Rinchen wonders if we have a bug on that.
[22:28] <Rinchen> korpios, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-documentation/+bug/222172
[22:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222172 in launchpad-documentation "The word "upstream" is confusing on the project registration page" [Undecided,New]
[22:29] <korpios> Rinchen: thanks :)
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #222172 in launchpad-documentation "The word "upstream" is confusing on the project registration page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222172
[22:45] <korpios> Hmm, in search results, it's a bit odd that the description, not the summary, is shown for projects.  Is that intentional?  (I'll file a bug report, I suppose.)  ^_^
[23:09] <apachelogger_> anyone working on rosetta around?
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #222200 in launchpad "Show number of attachments for held messages" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222200
[23:55] <Rinchen> apachelogger_, perhaps not at this hour.  Off chance I might be able to help