[03:30] <skellat> Damnit: http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2013/02/27/leaving-ubuntu/
[20:43] <Unit193> paultag: Oh, did you happen to see my ping earlier on another channel?  :P
[21:17] <paultag> Unit193: not yet
[21:17] <paultag> what's up
[21:19] <Unit193> Support for debian kfreebsd is done, normal BSD is almost done, but it should be feature complete for Debian and Ubuntu now.  It'd be nice to get it in before the March 7th cutoff, but I get if (when) it can't.  I have the newer one up of course.
[21:19] <Unit193> The question was what was the last steps I still had.
[21:48] <paultag> march 7 cutoff?
[21:48] <paultag> Oh, for Ubuntu.
[21:48] <paultag> Unit193: re-ping the email
[21:48] <paultag> I'll check it out tonightish
[21:49] <Unit193> paultag: This was actually just on #debian-mentors, but I could email.  (That's all I had.)
[21:49] <paultag> yes please, I track sponsorship on email
[21:49] <paultag> I can't do reviews quickly, I need to do an actual review
[21:51] <Unit193> Cool, cool.
[21:51] <paultag> w0rd.
[21:51] <paultag> brb, back to brain syncing.


[12:04] <JonnyRo> hello
[12:07] <Darth> hi
[12:08] <JonnyRo> Darth: hows it going
[12:08] <Darth> so far.... so good...
[12:08] <JonnyRo> glad to hear people are working on LTSP with ubuntu
[12:08] <JonnyRo> i've been wanting to set up thin clients for a while
[12:08] <Darth> whats LTSP
[12:08] <Darth> sorry, im such a newb
[12:08] <JonnyRo> linux terminal server project
[12:08] <Darth> nice
[12:09] <JonnyRo> edubuntu in general (if i understand correctly) can make use of that tech to let you run thin clients
[12:09] <JonnyRo> so you can run small embedded pc's at each students' desktop
[12:13] <Darth> hmm interesting
[12:13] <Darth> what about in other stuff like in PDA's or cellphones?
[12:14] <JonnyRo> nothing to do with that
[12:15] <JonnyRo> well, unless the PDA can run a LTSP client, which is i guess possible with the PocketPC systems
[12:16] <Darth> hmm interesting
[12:17] <JonnyRo> Darth: what brings you to #edubuntu?  are you an educator?
[12:17] <Darth> pretty close
[12:17] <Darth> im a college student =)
[12:17] <JonnyRo> ah
[12:17] <JonnyRo> you've been using Ubuntu on your PC yet?
[12:17] <Darth> yeah, im just using the LiveCD though
[12:17] <Darth> havent had the time yet to install it
[12:17] <Darth> honestly, just lazy
[12:18] <JonnyRo> Edubuntu as far as I know is primarily centered around making Ubuntu work in a classroom lab setting
[12:18] <JonnyRo> so the teacher can interact with the students
[12:18] <JonnyRo> and influence their desktops
[12:18] <JonnyRo> Regular ubuntu is probably best for normal workstation use
[12:18] <Darth> u mean like take it over?
[12:20] <JonnyRo> Darth: I dont know if it supports this yet, but i'd imagine it would be cool for a teacher to be able to show a student how to do something
[12:20] <JonnyRo> via thier own pc
[12:20] <JonnyRo> from the front of the room
[12:20] <Darth> yeah.... that would be a great tool to make...
[12:20] <JonnyRo> i know they can push files and stuff around already
[12:20] <JonnyRo> not too sure on the other aspect
[12:20] <JonnyRo> Where do you go to school?
[12:20] <Darth> The City College of NY
[12:23] <JonnyRo> cool
[12:24] <Darth> so are u involved in edubuntu in anyway JohnnyRo?
[12:24] <JonnyRo> nope, but i'm definately interested
[12:24] <JonnyRo> I am very excited about using thin client setups
[12:24] <JonnyRo> at business locations
[12:24] <JonnyRo> I tried using the stuff from K12-LTSP ages ago
[12:24] <JonnyRo> but it was somewhat immature
[12:24] <JonnyRo> at the time
[12:25] <JonnyRo> Ubuntu provides such an awesome user experience that I would love to be able to implement that cheaply.
[12:25] <Darth> well Ubuntu is free... i guess that is as cheap as you are gonna get...
[12:26] <JonnyRo> free as in dollars, but depending on how easy stuff is to set up, you end up paying in time
[12:26] <Darth> ahh tru
[12:26] <JonnyRo> Ubuntu is just great for a workstation computer that you do a full install on
[12:27] <JonnyRo> that was a huge timesaver
[12:27] <Darth> lol
[12:27] <JonnyRo> But for thin clients, I will have to experiment first
[12:27] <Darth> so what do u do for a living?
[12:28] <JonnyRo> IT Manager
[12:29] <Darth> where?
[12:29] <JonnyRo> Florida
[12:30] <Darth> nice
[12:30] <JonnyRo> It's a decent living
[12:30] <JonnyRo> lots of research though
[12:30] <JonnyRo> constant learning
[12:31] <Darth> eh
[12:31] <Darth> i hate learning
[12:31] <Darth> i like doing
[12:31] <Darth> =)
[12:31] <JonnyRo> everyone's got their own style
[12:31] <Darth> wo a doubt
[12:34] <Darth> brb
[12:58] <spacey> JonnyRo, edubuntu makes thin client setup really easy
[12:59] <spacey> so its easy in ubuntu itself with the right packages
[12:59] <rejden> which packages?
[01:00] <spacey> the ltsp packages i guess:)
[01:01] <spacey> in breezy
[01:02] <rejden> didn't tried thinkclient things yet
[01:02] <rejden> it's good?
[01:02] <JonnyRo> i definately think it's time to download breezy
[01:02] <JonnyRo> and start trying things out
[01:02] <rejden> i'm too busy with writing things atm
[01:03] <rejden> but i put it in my ToDo things for sure
[01:03] <JonnyRo> ubuntulinux.org feels a bit on the slow side
[01:06] <JonnyRo> alright folks, have a nice night
[01:06] <JonnyRo> cya
[01:07] <spacey> goodnight
[01:07] <spacey> rejden, yes its good, and freenx is cool too
[01:09] <rejden> oh, i will prolly have some lame questions while try to test
[01:26] <shaga> good morning all
[01:55] <rejden> same to you shaga
[06:03] <Yagisan> G'day ogra
[06:04] <Yagisan> Installed the daily cd yesterday in vmware. Still needed to add eth0 to the auto line in interfaces
[06:07] <Yagisan> and had to run the ltsp-update-sshkeys
[06:07] <Yagisan> hmm- my p2l97 is beeping at me
[06:08] <ogra> hmm, works flawless on normal installs, i suspect there is a vmware problem then...
[06:09] <ogra> no errors during install and you used the default IP the installer offers ?
[06:10] <Yagisan> no errors at all on install - and I used the defaults
[06:12] <Yagisan> :(:'(:( I just plugged a pci video card into the p2l97 and found out what the beeping means - corrupt bios
[06:12] <ogra> hmm...
[06:14] <Yagisan> is it dependent on the ethernet mac address ?
[06:15] <ogra> not at all, no
[06:15] <Yagisan> ok. just wondering why it won't bring eth0 up
[06:16] <ogra> the problem is that the dhcp.conf isnt autogenerated, if the IP of eth0 doesnt match the range in there it fails to install edubuntu-desktop, so the ltsp-update-sshkeys isnt run
[06:16] <ogra> and the tftpserver which gets installed after dhcpd might not be set up corretctly...
[06:17] <ogra> in any case it looks like you eth0 isnt even up during install
[06:17] <Yagisan> well edubuntu-desktop is installed
[06:18] <ogra> err
[06:18] <ogra> edubuntu-server
[06:18] <Yagisan> edubuntu-server too
[06:19] <ogra> sudo apt-get -f install doesn nothing ?
[06:20] <ogra> or dpkg --configure -a
[06:21] <Yagisan> I just ran "dpkg --configure -a" and didn't get any output
[06:21] <Yagisan> the packages are installed according to aptitude
[06:21] <ogra> yup looks like
[06:22] <ogra> i suspect its some vmware speciality...
[06:22] <Yagisan> typical
[06:22] <ogra> anything in bugzilla about eth0 not being configured right ?
[06:23] <Yagisan> haven't checked yet
[06:23] <Yagisan> I noticed I still can't do lvm over raid in breezy
[06:24] <ogra> you can, as long as you use a /boot partition not on LVM
[06:24] <ogra> its a known bug
[06:25] <ogra> i think its grub who cant handle it right
[06:25] <Yagisan> eth0 - not bugs found
[06:25] <Yagisan> my /boot is never lvm anyway
[06:26] <ogra> hmm, most of these are Kamion questions... you could ask him tomorrow, i'm not this familiar with the installer...
[06:27] <Yagisan> I intend to grab some screenshots from my next install for that
[06:27] <Yagisan> I reported similar bug with hoary (+ workaround)
[06:28] <Yagisan> why was the screensaver changed ?
[06:28] <ogra> gnome-screensaver wasnt ready
[06:29] <ogra> but mark wanted us to change to it...
[06:29] <ogra> now we convinced him to change back, but he requires that the lock window shall look similar
[06:29] <ogra> (takes me ages to make that happen)
[06:30] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/xss.html
[06:31] <Yagisan> the existing lock screen with the bar that decreases
[06:31] <Yagisan> that's xscreensaver isn't it ?
[06:31] <Yagisan> (hoary system here)
[06:32] <ogra> yup
[06:33] <Yagisan> I like that
[06:33] <ogra> i dont like the timer for example...
[06:33] <Yagisan> you don't ?
[06:33] <ogra> the new dialog just extends the time by 3 seconds for every keystroke, so the window wont disappear as long as you type
[06:34] <ogra> and it has no scary timer anymore that sets the user under pressue
[07:05] <rejden> i'm curious, how is edubuntu i10n handled?
[07:19] <ogra> rejden, through language packs, we inherit the loclization into 90 languages from ubuntu
[07:21] <rejden> and what about the nontranslated software?
[07:22] <ogra> nearly all in main is translated
[07:23] <ogra> if yu mean the universe software, there you can only expect that amount of translation upstream offers, but you can translate every app in ubuntu through rosetta if you like
[07:27] <rejden> actually i'm building a team of translators because we want to do some propaganda in school sector
[07:27] <rejden> yeah i know about the rosseta, but it takes some time until things settle :)
[07:28] <ogra> heh, yes, but its already quite famous
[07:28] <rejden> it's not about famous
[07:29] <rejden> btw are you familiar with rosetta?
[07:30] <ogra> only very rough, i'm not a translator :)
[07:30] <ogra> (i tested it and did some translation work with it to try it)
[07:31] <rejden> so i try to ask ;) here is done translation https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang/ and if you enter any language you see all the translated documents and who translated them, but the person who did it isn't listable (like his email adress and such) i was wandering if there is any list of "clickable" people for current language
[07:33] <ogra> hmm, thats rather a question for #launchpad then, i'm not too much in the details of rosetta
[07:34] <rejden> i'll try
[07:35] <ogra> :)