[15:39] <powersj> hehe "AssertionError: 'HST' not found in 'HDT\n'" silly daylight savings messing with my integration tests
[15:43] <rharper> lol
[17:13] <smoser> powersj, i put  a comment on your mp... i may be over thinking things.
[17:28] <powersj> smoser: hmm but won't that change between -0900 and -0800 depending on day light savings?
[17:28] <smoser> it should not.
[17:29] <powersj> and that command depends on what timezone you are in
[17:29] <powersj> which is ok, since we are setting
[17:29] <smoser> no... we specify the full time with offset -0400
[17:29] <powersj> yes, but the output changes... here is mine: "Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:47:00 -0600"
[17:29] <smoser>  Thu, 03 Nov 2016 00:47:00 -0400 == Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:47:00 -0900
[17:30] <powersj> oh... maybe that's what I'm not getting
[17:30] <smoser> the output changes based on the default time zone of the system.
[17:30] <smoser> (your default time zone is 0600)
[17:30] <smoser> but the test is testing that we can set the default time zone to US/wierd-timezone
[17:30] <smoser> that must be hawaii ?
[17:30] <powersj> it is Hawaii
[17:32] <smoser> so .. if we correctly set the timezone
[17:32] <smoser> date will always convert the '--date' to the default timezone of the system.
[17:32] <smoser> and so we're checking that dates output was converted to the time zone that we expect to have set the system to
[17:32] <smoser> right?
[17:33] <powersj> yeah, let me change it and play with it a bit. Never used date like that before, so still grawking it.
[17:33] <smoser> :)
[17:33] <rharper> alternatively can't we check that /etc/localtime points to the right tz we specified?
[17:36] <powersj> ah that might be good too, check that symlink
[17:37] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24171815/
[17:37] <smoser> maybe that helps ?
[17:39] <smoser> well, the symlink could work, but that is somewhat of an implementation detail.
[17:39] <powersj> smoser: it does, thanks :)
[17:39] <smoser> where as the other way depends on 'date' behaviing correclty.
[18:35] <smoser> powersj, did you open a bug ?
[18:35] <smoser> for the timezone?
[18:35] <powersj> smoser: no
[18:35] <smoser> k
[18:35] <powersj> I did wrt the new password change (a 2nd one)
[18:36] <powersj> I'll get the timezone merge fixed up here in a bit
[18:38] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24172068/
[18:39] <powersj> lol
[18:39] <powersj> thank you :)
[18:39] <smoser> i'll just take that now. i think the comnments there make it more clear than my explanation before.
[18:40] <powersj> smoser: yes they do and wfm thanks
[18:40] <smoser> early november is probably a really bad time to pick
[18:40] <powersj> why?
[18:40] <smoser> as someone might think that is on the cusp of a time change.
[18:41] <powersj> ah
[18:41] <smoser> but i'm using it anyway
[18:41] <smoser> :)
[20:31] <smoser> powersj, you mentioned something about cloud-init tags and buildilng ?
[20:31] <smoser> in your qa report
[20:31] <smoser> more info ?
[20:31] <powersj> I was trying to understand why we needed the tags when setup.py runs. I had not looked at that file enough to understand how it gets packaged up
[20:32] <powersj> So looked into how you specify an init system and the check that occurs when building cloud-init via tag + version in __init__
[20:32] <smoser> yeah, the check can be annoying for sure, but you should always have some tag to base it off of.
[20:33] <powersj> I've been played with snap'ing cloud-init as well and the python plugin doesn't take an option so I couldn't specify an init system
[20:33] <powersj> Even if it doesn't quite make sense too, it was an interesting lesson :)
[20:36] <smoser> powersj, python plugin doesnt take an option
[20:36] <smoser> ?
[20:37] <smoser> you mean tryin to get the init system into setup.py ?
[20:37] <powersj> yes
[20:38] <powersj> so your part would look like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24172666/
[20:38] <powersj> and we would want a "options: ['--systemd']" or something like that
[20:40] <powersj> This all started because I was looking at https://build.snapcraft.io/


[20:09] <hramrach> hello
[20:09] <hramrach> where is hostname set when using upstart
[21:02] <lazyPower> Can upstart be run outside of init?


[11:02] <dandrader> greyback, mir currently doesn't provide the display's physical size (although it has API for that). Do you mind if I made qtmir fallback to querying ro.sf.lcd_density android property (in case the mir property is empty, as it is now)?
[11:03] <greyback> dandrader: why do we need it?
[11:04] <dandrader> greyback, I would like EdgeDragArea's properties to be based on physical sizes instead of grid units
[11:04] <greyback> I'd rather Mir fixes the API. We shouldn't have to work around Mir faults
[11:04] <dandrader> greyback, sure, they will fix it. but might take some time. I don't want to be blocked by that
[11:04] <greyback> but for middle-ground, make it a giant REMOVEME
[11:18] <Saviq> dandrader, /me not sure we want to make edge areas oblivious of GRID_UNIT_PX
[11:19] <dandrader> Saviq, why? a user's finger lives in the physical world
[11:19] <Saviq> as the idea behind switching e.g. a big phone from 50 to 40 GU wide is to make touch targets bigger, too
[11:19] <Saviq> and how is the edge touch target different... especially if these days we have them smart about non-edge-swipes
[11:20] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, but the user's finger might just be bigger/older/less dexterous
[11:21] <Saviq> I do think we might actually need a per-device factor, to potentially cater for worse touch hw
[11:21] <dandrader> Saviq, but does that make the finger grid unit based?
[11:21] <Saviq> dandrader, it does make it the user's decision on what size the grid is
[11:22] <dandrader> Saviq, making it based on physical units doesn't mean it's worse for bigger/older/less dexterous fingers. I don't see the relationship
[11:23] <Saviq> dandrader, you sure?
[11:23] <Saviq> dandrader, don't get me wrong, I don't have data on this or anything
[11:24] <Saviq> dandrader, I'm just raising a concern
[11:24] <Saviq> dandrader, already on arale it's tricky to drag from the edge because they're "sharp"
[11:25] <Saviq> so if we make the edge area smaller because it's more dense, it might get even trickier
[11:25] <dandrader> Saviq, physical units means mm, not pixels!
[11:26] <Saviq> dandrader, I know, but we're not doing anything in the phone in mm
[11:26] <Saviq> dandrader, that's why we have the grid, some people like their mm bigger than others ;)
[11:26] <Saviq> that's our way of dealing with dpi difference
[11:27] <dandrader> Saviq, a gesture is not a graphical UI item, it's an action that happens in the physical world. you edge-swipe the same way regardless of the screen dpi or how big the ui elements are
[11:28] <Saviq> dandrader, well that's the thing I'm not so sure of, but ok :)
[11:28] <dandrader> Saviq, edge-swipe properies have to be made so that false-negatives don't happen anyway, as they're very frustrating
[11:29] <dandrader> Saviq, do you want to make grid units also scale timers? like make animations slower? :-)
[11:29] <dandrader> Saviq, as the big old finger is also slower
[11:29] <Saviq> dandrader, that's reaching, isn't it ;)
[11:30] <Saviq> dandrader, I'm just saying that if you increase touch targets (i.e. item sizes) everywhere in the UI by switching to the "zoomed" mode or whatever we call it
[11:30] <Saviq> that might be an indication that we should make the edge swipes somewhat more forgiving, too
[11:31] <Saviq> dunno, not really sure it's us who should have the discussion anyway (without some user testing data)
[14:04] <dandrader> Saviq, how's landing-006 looking so far?
[14:05] <Saviq> dandrader, just flashed again after the tweaks from Gerry and Robert
[14:21] <Saviq> elopio, hey, on cleaning up py2, you might also have a look at libautopilot-qt, it pulls qt4 onto the phone whenever I install unity8-autopilot... and IIUC there's a dep loop between libautopilot-qt and autopilot-qt{4,5}
[14:23] <elopio> Saviq: can you please report a bug? I will tell jfunk to put it close to the top, as this unneeded deps makes running tests in read-only harder than it should be.
[14:23] <Saviq> elopio, sure, doing
[14:25] <Saviq> elopio, hmm actually it seems like it might be our issue after all, we should depend autopilot-qt5 instead
[14:26] <Saviq> elopio, could you include that change in your branch?
[14:29] <elopio> Saviq: instead of libautopilot-qt?
[14:30] <Saviq> elopio, yeah, libautopilot-qt says "This is a compatibility package depending on both the Qt4 and Qt5 drivers."
[14:30] <Saviq> and then autopilot-qt5 says "Replaces: libautopilot-qt (<< 1.4+14.10.20140724.1-0ubuntu2)"
[14:31] <elopio> Saviq: ok, but autopilot-qt5 doesn't install qttestability-autopilot
[14:31] <Saviq> elopio, then you might need to add that (even if it's weird that it doesn't...)
[14:32] <elopio> Saviq: yes. I don't fully understand this, I'd prefer to do it in a different branch.
[14:32] <Saviq> ah right, qttestability-autopilot needs either of autopilot-qt{4,5}
[14:32] <elopio> I'll give it a try.
[14:32] <Saviq> elopio, it's fine, there's no way to determine which of autopilot-qt{4,5} it needs
[14:33] <Saviq> elopio, so you need to add both autopilot-qt5 and qttestability-autopilot
[14:33] <elopio> Saviq: yes, but I'll make a new branch, if you don't mind.
[14:33] <Saviq> elopio, your call
[14:34] <Saviq> elopio, I can take care of that then
[14:34] <Saviq> elopio, thought it'd make sense in the same branch, but if you think not, I'll do
[14:34] <elopio> Saviq: don't worry, I'm have the changes and I'll push.
[14:34] <Saviq> k
[14:34] <Saviq> we'll know soon enough
[14:39] <elopio> Saviq: the toolkit depends on libautopilot-qt, so we'll need to change it there too to be useful. I'll file bugs about that.
[14:39] <Saviq> elopio, sure, same as with py2 ;)
[14:40] <Saviq> elopio, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10550731/
[14:40] <elopio> oh shit :)
[14:40] <Saviq> so yeah, I think we didn't get the memo to transition from libautopilot-qt
[14:45] <elopio> we can't make autopilot-qt5 depend on qttestability-autopilot, because there would be a loop in there.
[14:45] <elopio> maybe a libautopilot-qt5 makes sense.
[14:45] <elopio> I'll talk to veebers on monday. He should know.
[15:39] <dandrader> mzanetti, are you still reviewing the shellRotation branch?
[15:40] <mzanetti> dandrader, not right now... but given we can't go into vivid with that it's not totally high priority atm is it?
[15:40] <mzanetti> dandrader, I'll continue next week for sure. but feel like having to fix that darn dpr thing
[15:42] <dandrader> mzanetti, we can't land right now becuse it needs the autopilot test paulliu
[15:43] <mzanetti> dandrader, ack. so yes, I'll continue reviewing, but it's not on the top of my priority list atm
[15:43] <dandrader> mzanetti, as for landing in vivid, as far as I understood with would just merge it to trunk and create a separate branch from which we would cherry pick changes for vivid
[15:43] <dandrader> Saviq, right? ^
[15:43] <mzanetti> yeah... that sounds about right
[15:43] <dandrader> mzanetti, sure
[15:44] <Saviq> dandrader, we'd like to do that, yes, but we don't have buy-in from foundations yet
[15:45] <dandrader> Saviq, or we could do the other way round: have a branch like lp:unity8/devel and cherry pick non-feature stuff onto lp:unity8, as mir guys were doing in the past
[15:45] <mzanetti> let's call it staging
[15:45] <mzanetti> :D
[15:46] <Saviq> dandrader, long story short, we don't want that, not without automation running on those
[15:48] <Saviq> dandrader, we have a long-standing request in the CI team backlog for that, actually
[15:49] <Saviq> dandrader, but ultimately, without an archive to put the built packages into, we're doomed, 'cause as soon as you change something in unity-api, for example, you can't build against vivid
[15:49] <Saviq> so we need a target for the releases, which we'd like to be a PPA on top of vivid


 thanks for the info. are the SRU team in a particular irc channel? (re @teward001: yes, though it needs to go through the SRU process first.  And the SRU team might NACK it, unless you have specific upstream commits that fix the problem you can nitpick into the specific older versions as specific patches.)
 more reading for you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates (re @philipz: thanks for the info. are the SRU team in a particular irc channel?)


[10:58] <kwwii> hey all
[11:21] <knome> hello kwwii
[11:23] <vish> hey hey..
[11:28] <thorwil> hey ho, hey ho
[11:29] <vish> thorwil: beware knome might pull out the urban dictionary ;)
[11:30] <thorwil> vish: santa saw grandmother, mother and daughter and said: ...
[11:30] <knome> ;)
[11:31] <thorwil> knome can pull out the urban dictionary, but you can't pull knome out of the urban dictionary!
[11:32] <knome> har har
[11:33] <thorwil> well, actually: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=knome
[11:33] <thorwil> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=har+har
[11:33] <knome> o.O
[11:34] <knome> did not know about that :P
[11:34] <thorwil> that's what i would claim, too
[11:34] <knome> though it seems that it has more downs than ups
[11:34] <knome> so doesn't seem like a used onw
[11:34] <knome> *one
[11:35] <knome> though my wife might agree on the first sentence
[11:35] <knome> :P
[11:35] <thorwil> lol
[11:39] <thorwil> does http://www.thorsten-wilms.com work for anyone, i.e. not redirect to google?
[11:40] <knome> does
[11:40] <knome> Thorsten Wilms Design Solutions
[11:40] <knome> This is just a test.
[11:40] <thorwil> excellent, thanks!
[11:40] <knome> np
[11:41]  * thorwil looks at his dns server suspiciously
[11:47] <kwwii> thorwil: works for me
[11:47] <thorwil> seems just the open dns server i use is slow to catch up
[11:49] <thorwil> google made me create a very odd cname entry to confirm that i own the domain, before i could associate it with my app engine site
[11:51] <thorwil> ah, now it catched up here, too
[13:23] <Cimi> finally my server is back :) got an hdd failure for a thunderstorm
[13:50] <kwwii> ouch
[13:50] <kwwii> that sucks
[13:58] <Cimi> kwwii: I was smart, I had two separate hdd for OS and data, so my data is safe :)
[14:23] <kwwii> hehe
[18:46] <thorwil> 13 notification mails tell me that Iain put some work into updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase


[00:17] <mup> Bug #1733442 opened: Cannot delete Virsh Pod <MAAS:In Progress by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733442>
[14:10] <mup> Bug #1733600 opened: Custom images removed from Web UI still show up as an option during deploy in Web UI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733600>
[15:10] <mup> Bug #1733615 opened: [SRU] MAAS 2.3.0 <maas (Ubuntu):New> <maas (Ubuntu Xenial):New> <maas (Ubuntu Zesty):New> <maas (Ubuntu Artful):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733615>
[15:59] <heyya> So, I made some DNS changes to the MAAS files, and I noticed that the reverted.
[17:13] <mup> Bug # changed: 1550083, 1706723, 1730976, 1730985, 1731059, 1731298, 1731353, 1731887, 1732220, 1732444, 1732522, 1732536, 1732539, 1732561, 1732730, 1732768, 1732948, 1733015
[17:25] <roaksoax> heyya: MAAS manages DNS and they will be regenrated, what changes were you making ?
[17:57] <bviktor_> is it not possible to install the maas server on centos?
[18:13] <mup> Bug #1733442 changed: Cannot delete Virsh Pod <MAAS:Won't Fix by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733442>
[18:44] <roaksoax> bviktor_: if you use the snap, it could be
[18:45] <roaksoax> we've not tested
[19:02] <heyya> roaksoax: I wanted to know how to make it recursive
[19:02] <heyya> as I am getting the following error. WARNING: recursion requested but not available
[19:03] <roaksoax> ?
[19:03] <heyya> DNS
[19:04] <heyya> dnssec-validation auto;
[19:05] <heyya> recursion;
[19:06] <heyya> this file : /etc/bind/maas/named.conf.options.inside.maas
[19:08] <heyya> when I dig against it, it does not resolve hostname from IP etc.
[19:21] <bviktor_> well if snaps are as "universal" as they claim it, it shouldn't need to be "tested" though...
[19:24] <bviktor_> oh, centos isn't even supported by snap anyway, oh well
[19:29] <roaksoax> https://docs.snapcraft.io/core/install
[19:30] <roaksoax> heyya: have you looked at the settings page in MAAS for the available configurable DNS settings ?
[19:31] <heyya> are you reffering to DHCP snippets?
[19:34] <heyya> sorry.. forgive the confusion.. ok.. all workig now
[19:34] <heyya> lol
[19:47] <heyya> I created a subnet and reserved dynamic range as I only need dhcp on a portion of that network.  There is an option to Enable "Managed allocation".  When I enable it, will it only enable dhcp on the "Reserve dynamic range" ?
[19:47] <heyya> as that's what I'm trying to achieve
[19:47] <heyya> I want to enable dhcp on a small portion of the network.
[20:01] <mup> Bug #1733686 opened: [2.x, pod] MAAS pods should be allowed to be placed in a zone, and all machines inside the pod should have the same zone <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733686>
[20:22] <roaksoax> heyya: when you enable dhcp you only enable it on the 'dynamic' range
[20:22] <roaksoax> heyya: so you have to define a dynamic range to enable dhcp
[20:31] <mup> Bug #1733686 changed: [2.x, pod] MAAS pods should be allowed to be placed in a zone, and all machines inside the pod should have the same zone <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733686>
[21:39] <heyya> roaksoax: yeah, i figured i out.
[22:46] <xygnal> TJ-: ipxe iso aways fails on ldlinux.c32
[22:46] <xygnal> but my own sniffs from MAAS showed it for farther than two files, and ldlinux.c32 is not the first file


[00:09] <euryale> I got problem, the sound server isn't running, i check the sound settings and my device is not there.
[00:13] <IdleOne> euryale: #ubuntu is the support channel for 14.04
[00:14] <penguin42> which reminds me - what is the name of 14.10?
[00:14] <rww> it doesn't have one yet
[00:14] <penguin42> poor thing
[00:15] <rww> 'sokay, it also doesn't exist yet
[00:17] <qengho> I'm hoping for unicorns.


[15:51] <Iamthehuman1> There are new bugs appearing all the time and old ones keep on exhibiting, but they are surely all fault of the Bluez people, like all misparametrizations in US are
[15:53] <Iamthehuman1> but do not worry, I will stop using this because of the toxic lead devel with Fraulein L fakeries in his gray noodle and as a result a culture of fear and silence. The Arch people have the opposite culture: If it is broken speak up and receive help, whereas here "no bugs exist" and therefore mentioning any bugs will be dealt with harshly and usually with lies
[15:55] <Iamthehuman1> I will also mention the toxic lead devel to Canonical and present the evidence from irc logs if they want it
[15:56] <Iamthehuman1> c'est la vie


[00:04] <L3top> iharp: you could just load a live cd and run the command.
[00:12] <Daskreech> I think iharp specifically did not want a live environment
[00:13] <Daskreech> for some reason
[00:15] <Daskreech> Hello Mamarok
[00:15] <Mamarok> hi Daskreech :)
[00:15] <Daskreech> Mamarok: how are you doing?
[00:16] <Mamarok> not that bad, waiting for the painkillers to kick in so I can sleep
[00:17] <Daskreech> They do provide a kick
[01:07] <nicekiwi> hey, how do I get the screen brightness settings to work? The notification bar comes up but the brightness dosnt change
[01:21] <Daskreech> nicekiwi: We were just talking about that the other day
[01:22] <kumyuu> hi, who is channel spanhis?
[01:24] <IdleOne> what?
[01:24] <IdleOne> oh
[01:24] <IdleOne> !es  kumyuu
[01:24] <IdleOne> !es }  kumyuu
[01:24] <IdleOne> err
[01:24] <IdleOne> sorry
[01:24] <FloodBotK1> IdleOne: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:24] <IdleOne> !es |  kumyuu
[01:24] <kumyuu> gracias
[01:24] <IdleOne> de nada
[02:51] <hx> d
[02:59] <hellslinger> how do I make a line between two shapes in calligra flow?
[03:06] <hellslinger> how do I connect two shapes in calligra flow? I've selected the tool, but I'm unable to figure out how to connect shapes
[03:06] <Daskreech> hellslinger: Umm not sure let me look
[03:06] <Daskreech> Neevr tried flow :)
[03:07] <hellslinger> it seems like a perfect program, but I can't do the most basic thing
[03:08] <Daskreech> Ha ha well I guess we have different descriptions of perfect
[03:09] <hellslinger> well.. seem is the key word there
[03:09] <hellslinger> so for one of the control points, I was able to connect to another shape
[03:10] <hellslinger> but the rest of the control points don't turn into a connection tool when I hover
[03:10] <hellslinger> and I don't know how to make it do that
[03:12] <hellslinger> oooh if I create any new connection points on a shape, I can no longer connect it
[03:12] <hellslinger> but fresh shapes that haven't been modified are able to connect
[03:18] <iharp> daskreech: In response to your response at 18:44 about the support of my ATI radeon 9200 SE on 12.04. I'm trying to figure out if there is any support for it without live cd or using  lspci -nn | grep VGA.
[03:19] <Daskreech> iharp: Do you mean if it will boot?
[03:20] <iharp> Daskreech: It will boot but there weren't any proprietary drivers for it and the open gl was an issue from my past experience with it on 12.04
[03:21] <Daskreech> ah
[03:22] <iharp> I've got 4 video cards and none of them work on 12.04... :(
[03:22] <iharp> make that 5
[03:23] <Daskreech> all the same make?
[03:23] <iharp> no. Ill list them
[03:26] <iharp> ATI radeon 9200 SE, Geforce2 MX400, two other nvidia cards with no lable so im not sure what they are, and my integrated Geforce 6150SE nForce 430/PCI/SSE2
[03:26] <Daskreech> the kernel doesn't identify them?
[03:26] <iharp> They give out video and thats about it.. They all work on 11.10 though.
[03:27] <Daskreech> wow
[03:27] <iharp> perfectly with prop drivers
[03:27] <Daskreech> did you try 12.10 ?
[03:27] <iharp> Yeah
[03:27] <Daskreech> how'd that go?
[03:27] <iharp> Just video, I had no openGL support on any of them
[03:28] <iharp> I think the H.A. was off on a few as well
[03:28] <iharp> 12.10 doesn't work with my macbook 1,1 either..lol or anything after hardy.. :(
[03:29] <iharp> I call it bad luck... or demons.. possibly demons...
[03:30] <Daskreech> Daemons
[03:30] <iharp> No.. i actually meant demons..lol
[03:31] <iharp> it was a joke... :p
[03:33] <Daskreech> I know :)
[03:33] <Daskreech> So was the daemong
[03:33] <Daskreech> s/g/s
[03:34] <iharp>  lol
[03:39] <Daskreech> I don't know how to check if something works with out checking it
[03:40] <Daskreech> I would guess that checking is a better way
[03:41] <iharp> Is there a list somewhere with compatiable video cards on 12.04?
[03:42] <iharp> Maybe that could get me in the right direction
[03:42] <iharp> I only found one on the main sight but it didn't say anything about 12.04
[03:42] <iharp> site*
[03:46] <Daskreech> I don't think I'd trust that list if it did exist
[03:47] <iharp> Wouldn't be accurate?
[03:52] <Daskreech> Right
[03:52] <Daskreech>  it would be missing cards
[03:52] <Daskreech> sometimes it would be subjective (the person just didn't test correctly) and probably would not take note of driver updates
[03:53] <Daskreech> Redhat I trust for this. The Ubuntu Community? not so much
[03:53] <iharp> What about Suse?
[03:57] <Daskreech> iharp: I've not looked at the lists they keep up but depending on who's in charge that might be reliable.
[03:58] <Daskreech> It really depends on the running of checklists and methodology
[03:58] <iharp> daskreech: Thanks for all your insight. I appreciate it
[03:58] <Daskreech> There are very strict guidelines on that for Redhat and they have whole depts that keep that up to date
[03:58] <iharp> wow. nice
[03:59] <Daskreech> Suse could have one person but as long as they vigilant about following the checklists then that would work as well
[04:00] <Daskreech> Ubuntu has guidelines put up but afaik there is no way to know if the data submitted is followed ( I have no reason to think they didn't follow them) and if anyone does follow ups (I have no reason to think that anyone does that at all)
[04:00] <Daskreech> In theory once you have the same kernel/driver it doesn't matter what flavour of linux you are running
[04:01] <Daskreech> But redhat and debian are out of the running as they are jsut so old compared to the rest of the landscape
[04:01] <contrast> Greets, everyone... Any packaging experts around?
[04:04] <iharp> Daskreech: yeah I've been looking at all the differences. I've been a linux user for about 6 months now so I'm still fairly new to everything, but it seems like the linux portion of the world is a lot better even if you do have a few compatibility issues here and there.
[04:04] <Daskreech> contrast: want to ask your next question?
[04:04] <Daskreech> iharp: Welcome to Linux and KDE :)
[04:04] <iharp> Ubuntu and it's variants have been my main focus
[04:05] <iharp> thanks
[04:05] <contrast> I recently made a number of packages, following this guide - http://is.gd/TWpHJh - to a T, and now I'm wanting to upload them to a PPA. I'm really hoping there's a way I can easily extract the necessary .changes files from the .debs I've already put a good amount of work into..?
[04:06] <Daskreech> contrast: Jsut edit the changelog if I understand you
[04:07] <Daskreech> iharp: Ubuntu and it's buntuites are nice. They ahve a very friendly community for learnign
[04:07] <Daskreech> learning
[04:08] <contrast> Daskreech: Erm, that's the thing - the only changelog files I have are already cooked into the packages I'm working with. I can extract them, but they're still just in <package-name>/usr/share/doc/changelog.gz and <package-name>/usr/share/doc/changelog.Debian.gz
[04:10] <contrast> Daskreech: And what I'm needing in order to upload to a PPA is <package-name>_<version>_source.changes
[04:12] <contrast> Good seeing you're still around, by the way, Daskreech. I'm pretty sure I remember you helping me out quite a while back. :)
[04:12] <Daskreech> contrast: :-)
[04:13] <Daskreech> contrast: ok hold on
[04:13] <contrast> Daskreech: Thanks.
[04:15] <iharp> What are the major differences in 11.04 and 11.10?
[04:19] <L3top> iharp, again... if you could just boot to a live disk just to get the hardware output, I can tell you if it is supported by fglrx. I know them by chipset/pci-id... not the info you gave. I know them all, but by different designation.
[04:20] <contrast> iharp: Maybe most notably for Kubuntu - KDE 4.6 vs. 4.7 (http://kde.org/announcements/4.7/)
[04:21] <iharp> L3top: I am. I'm going to install 12.04 and run the bit. I'll just compile a list of outputs on my cards and come back with the results
[04:21] <iharp> *run live disk
[04:21] <L3top> Or, iharp I can give you a regex grep to run that will tell you.
[04:22] <L3top> If it returns a result... it will not be supportedd. If no result, then fglrx is safe.
[04:22] <iharp> ok, that sounds great.
[04:22] <iharp> thank you
[04:24] <Daskreech> L3top: so that tests for things that work and doesn't say anything?
[04:26] <L3top> Well... I can certainly just change it a bit to do the opposite... but it is easier to grep the things it doesnt cover than the things it does.
[04:26] <L3top> It is just part of a chunk of things I do for autodetection.
[04:28] <iharp> L3top: Do you have a link for it?
[04:28] <iharp> L3top: or is it something you could pastebin?
[04:29] <L3top> well I am adjusting it a bit iharp. It makes more sense to give you a clearer output... and I am a little more aggressive than need be because this is part of an autoinstallation, and I just dont want to bother with certain chipsets that require massage to work... just give me a moment.
[04:30] <iharp> L3top: take your time. I'm just messing around with a few things over here anyway
[04:31] <Daskreech> contrast: you read https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage already ?
[04:34] <contrast> Daskreech: Not yet, mainly because it's not immediately relevant to what I'm doing so far (I'm just packaging little stuff that doesn't need compiling right now, like scripts and theme items, hence the previously linked "Debian Binary Package Building HOWTO").
[04:36] <contrast> Daskreech: Erm, sorry, seems I had that last link you gave confused for another one... <reading>
[04:39] <contrast> Daskreech: Okay, yeah... Unless I'm missing something, it seems that's still just geared towards packaging stuff that actually has to be compiled. Right now I'm just working with scripts and binary content. :\
[04:39] <L3top> iharp: rad=$(lspci -nn | grep 'VGA' | grep -Ei '((R.)([2-5])|(9|X|ES)(1|2?)([0-9])(5|0)0|Xpress)'); if [[ -n "$rad" ]]; then echo "fglrx will not work on this card"; else echo "fglrx safe to install"; fi
[04:40] <iharp> Thanks. I'll try running that here after I dl this 32bit distro and let you know how it works out for me.
[04:41] <L3top> iharp actually... that could provide a false result if there is something non-vga listed use this instead: rad=$(lspci -nn | grep -w 'VGA' | grep -Ei '((R.)([2-5])|(9|X|ES)(1|2?)([0-9])(5|0)0|Xpress)'); if [[ -n "$rad" ]]; then echo "fglrx will not work on this card"; else echo "fglrx safe to install"; fi
[04:42] <Daskreech> contrast: Ok
[04:43] <Daskreech> contrast: then get a .changes file either from debuild or someone else and just edit it to say what you need
[04:43] <Daskreech>  new wallpapers or what changes have been put in the script etc
[04:43] <Daskreech> that should be fine
[04:44] <iharp> ok. one last question. I know this sounds crazy, but... Is it possible to take a DvD and install multiple bootable isos, while installing something on the disk that would allow you to choose which image to boot from?
[04:44] <contrast> Daskreech: Ahh, okay... So how do I generate a changes file?
[04:44] <Daskreech> from debuild
[04:44] <Daskreech> if anythign read up on debuild and that should be a good place to start
[04:44] <L3top> !remaster
[04:45] <c2tarun> Hi, do anyone have any idea about vsftpd?
[04:45] <Daskreech> course the less code you are putting together the mroe likely you'd jsut hand code the changes
[04:45] <iharp> Say a DvD with 12.04 and 11.10 on iL3top: was that for me?
[04:45] <Daskreech> iharp: pretty easily
[04:45] <c2tarun> I installed vsftpd and copied few files to /srv/ftp. Now I want to download these files to my another machine on wifi, how can I do it?
[04:45] <L3top> yes iharp.
[04:45] <iharp> thank you
[04:46] <L3top> np
[04:46] <Daskreech> I had a DVD with 9 OSes on it. To be even crazier it had a VM on it so you can boot the DVD into an OS then from that OS start a VM with the DVD and show off other OSes
[04:46] <Daskreech> c2tarun: ftp or sftp. Your choice
[04:47] <c2tarun> Daskreech, its my first time so I'll start with ftp first. then within few hours I'll try sftp also
[04:47] <Daskreech> c2tarun: what OS is on the other machine?
[04:47] <c2tarun> windows
[04:48] <Daskreech> if you have filezilla it will get you both ftp and sftp
[04:48] <c2tarun> there is also Ubuntu on that, but I will try with windows, as my roomies prefer windows
[04:48] <c2tarun> on windows?
[04:48] <Daskreech> Yes
[04:48] <c2tarun> Daskreech, Thanks :) I'll try
[04:48] <Daskreech> Well presuming that you want to get the fiels from /srv/ftp
[04:48] <c2tarun> yup
[04:48] <Daskreech> which is on the unix box
[04:49] <c2tarun> Daskreech, yup
[04:49] <Daskreech> if you want to restrict them to those files then ftp will work (which vsftpd provides)
[04:49] <Daskreech> if you just want them to get access to grab files then you can set up a ssh account they can sftp over
[04:49] <Daskreech> your choice
[04:50] <Daskreech> on their side it looks exactly the same so they wouldn't care
[04:50] <c2tarun> Daskreech, ok, let me look for some tutorial on creating ssh acounts.
[04:51] <Daskreech> c2tarun: sudo apt-get install ssh
[04:51] <Daskreech> c2tarun: done
[04:52] <c2tarun> Daskreech, thanks :) I was looking for configuring and creating other stuffs on ssh. Frankly I never used it :(
[04:53] <Daskreech> c2tarun: it's just remote access
[04:53] <Daskreech> but has some nice perks like a fake ftp access that's encrypted
[04:54] <c2tarun> ok, where can I know more about it?
[04:56] <c2tarun> Daskreech, I just tried to access my machine from filezilla I am not getting copy or download option.
[04:57] <c2tarun> do I need to add any file permission to file in /srv/ftp?
[04:57] <Daskreech> c2tarun: I think so. You made an ftp user?
[04:57] <c2tarun> no
[04:57] <c2tarun> how?
[04:58] <Daskreech> how did you authenticate? Or do you have anon ftp access?
[04:59] <c2tarun> Daskreech, I was trying for anonymous access.
[04:59] <Daskreech> ah ok
[05:00] <Daskreech> http://www.g-loaded.eu/2008/12/02/set-up-an-anonymous-ftp-server-with-vsftpd-in-less-than-a-minute/
[05:02] <c2tarun> Daskreech, I think this one will help. Thanks :)
[05:02] <Daskreech> Sure
[05:04] <c2tarun> Daskreech, one more help, in the tutorial its talking that vsftp.conf is in /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf but in my pc it in /etc/vsftpd.conf so should I create new conf file here only? or should I create a folder?
[05:04] <Daskreech> c2tarun: No use the one that you have
[05:05] <Daskreech> that's a redhat vs Debian thing I would guess
[05:05] <c2tarun> Daskreech, ok, then I'll create its backup first. Thanks :)
[05:05] <Daskreech> backup!!
[05:05] <c2tarun> backup of default vsftpd.conf
[05:05] <Daskreech> It's absolutlely useless until 3 minutes after you really needed it
[05:05] <c2tarun> ohhh...
[05:11] <c2tarun> Daskreech, everything on that page is similar to the setting I have. In /srv/ftp folder the file I have is with permission rw-r-----  do you think I have to give read permission to everyone root, user, group?
[05:12] <Daskreech> c2tarun: did you test this before?
[05:12] <c2tarun> Daskreech, no, I thought I shouldn't change permission of any file on root partition.
[05:13] <Daskreech> c2tarun: :) I wouldn't count /srv/ftp as on the root partition
[05:13] <c2tarun> ohh.. OK :) I'll try giving read permission to everyone
[05:14] <iharp> If you guys haven't played 0a.d., you should. just saying.. :p
[05:15] <iharp> totally off-topic...lol
[05:16] <c2tarun> Daskreech, it worked thanks :)
[05:16] <c2tarun> iharp, are you referring to me?
[05:16] <Daskreech> iharp: I just installed it like 2 minutes before you said that
[05:17] <Daskreech> c2tarun: I think he meant the chan
[05:17] <iharp> i was talking about my comment being off-topic c2
[05:17] <iharp> lol
[05:17] <iharp> Daskreech: it's not complete yet but it's great
[05:18] <Daskreech> iharp: It's a Linux game. It's never complete :)
[05:18] <iharp> Daskreech: Yeah, im getting that..lol Wait til you get your butt handed to you like 10 matches in a row...
[05:18] <iharp> The AI cheats
[05:19] <Daskreech> iharp: AI is very hard to write.
[05:19] <iharp> I would think so
[05:19] <Daskreech> It's almost always either too hard or too easy
[05:19] <Daskreech> But to be fair a computer has such a disadvantage to any human that you have to make it cheat
[05:20] <iharp> Yeah, that's a good point. Those tricky humans....
[05:21] <ubuntufreak> Is there any way to check installation status of the list of selected softwares being installed in the Kubuntu 12.04 software center application ?
[05:22] <iharp> what's the reconfigure command for a program. Or does the program have to support it?
[05:26] <iharp> n/m   sudo dpkg-reconfigure packagename
[05:32] <kish> what is .config/Trolltech.conf
[05:33] <kish> sound suspicious
[05:34] <Daskreech> kish: in what what?
[05:34] <Daskreech> Trolltech makes Qt the C++ framework that KDE is built on
[05:35] <Daskreech> bah
[05:35] <Daskreech>  what way not what what
[05:36] <iharp> Anyone had trouble with Gparted loading? It just says loading and then quits.  <--11.10
[05:38] <c2tarun> Daskreech, hey, I tried disabling anonymous_enabled from /etc/vsftpd.conf file and still I am able to copy the file from Filezilla. I also restarted the service.
[05:40] <kish> daskreech, ah i did not know that was the case
[05:41] <kish> kde is soo much better than gnome ;)
[06:19] <iharp> Does this mean something is broken?    http://paste.kde.org/513806/     It just popped up in my terminal.
[07:06] <JMichaelX> oh KDE... if it's not one bug, it's three
[08:57] <mlpokn> Guys. I've installed the proprietary AMD/ATI drivers, but I'm getting this in KinfoCenter: http://i.imgur.com/mpdyF.png
[08:57] <mlpokn> What's wrong? :)
[08:59] <tang> .....
[09:18] <mlpokn> pinotree: when I run: glxinfo | grep "render string" I get: OpenGL renderer string: AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics. So I get KinfoCenter is wrong.
[09:18] <mlpokn> lol
[09:56] <murat> does it ring a ding ding/
[09:58] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning murat
[09:58] <murat> good morning
[09:59] <murat> So how is it going here/
[09:59] <murat> Seems really quite
[09:59] <mydogsnameisrudy> yep been nice and quite
[10:00] <mydogsnameisrudy> afk coffee
[10:00] <murat> yeah i am having black tea with cheese on toast and jalapenos
[10:00] <murat> It is raining in london
[10:01] <mydogsnameisrudy> your in london ;) im in the michigan
[10:01] <murat> Weather is very tempremental
[10:02] <murat> 1 min sunshine 1 min rain
[10:02] <mydogsnameisrudy> its been very hot here
[10:02] <murat> Let me guess it is austraia?
[10:02] <mydogsnameisrudy> we should move to #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:06] <iharp> L3top: you around?
[11:09] <gigix> hi guys
[11:09] <gigix> I try to use KDE Telepathy instead of kopete for instant messaging
[11:10] <gigix> but cannot get the presence applet to work
[11:10] <gigix> when I add it to the panel, no icon appears, though I can left click and set my status
[11:10] <oracleoftruth> Hello there. I'm having a problem with ktorrent. It won't open magnet links. Never had a problem before (new install; installed ubuntu and added kubuntu-desktop). Transmission seems happy to open them but I love  ktorrent
[11:15] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: hi
[11:15] <phoenix_firebrd> is ktorrent installed?
[11:16] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: hi
[11:16] <gigix> phoenix_firebrd: hi
[11:16] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: you said you can left click and set the status, what did you click?
[11:17] <oracleoftruth> yes it is
[11:17] <gigix> phoenix_firebrd: there's like a transparent space where the widget is supposed to appear I guess
[11:17] <oracleoftruth> definitely opens and under magnet the links appear. They never move to being torrents though
[11:18] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: did you set the default app as ktorrent for magnetic files
[11:20] <gigix> phoenix_firebrd: I can provide a screenshot if you like
[11:20] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: that would be nice
[11:26] <gigix> phoenix_firebrd: where can i upload the screenshot ?
[11:27] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: imagebin.com
[11:28] <oracleoftruth> I did. I'm using chrome and it opens ktorrent and adds them. doesn't download though
[11:29] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: did you right click and start them?
[11:29] <gigix> phoenix_firebrd: http://imagebin.org/219949
[11:29] <oracleoftruth> in ktorrent? Do I need to do that? Previous install of 12.04 just seemed to do it.
[11:30] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: wait
[11:31] <oracleoftruth> ah. tried. No option to start them; looks like they are started but stil not working. I'll take a screenshot
[11:31] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: its a bug
[11:31] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: if you could file a bug report
[11:31] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth:  who are the seeds?
[11:32] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: can you file bug report?
[11:32] <gigix> phoenix_firebrd: sure :)
[11:32] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: ty
[11:33] <oracleoftruth> There are no seeds; it doesnt get that far
[11:34] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: no i mean who much active seeds mentioned in the torrent website
[11:36] <oracleoftruth> not sure what you mean
[11:37] <oracleoftruth> ah hang on. I know what you mean. There are loads of seeds; and the same magnet link opens fine in transmission and on another kubuntu 12.04 install I have
[11:38] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: purge and install ktorrent and try again
[11:39] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: wait
[11:39] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: do you have any pending torrents?
[11:40] <oracleoftruth> no i havven't sucessfully used it yet
[11:40] <oracleoftruth> already tried a remove purge and reinstall
[11:40] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: in that case , purge and install ktorrent
[11:40] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: oh
[11:40] <oracleoftruth> could try compiling new version from ktorrent site?
[11:41] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: start ktorrent from a terminal and see if you get any error messages
[11:42] <oracleoftruth> good idea: thanks
[11:43] <Smurphy> Moin
[11:43] <gigix> phoenix_firebrd: done, thanks for help identifying the bug
[11:43] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: can you get me the report link
[11:43] <gigix> I'll be following it, I like the new ktp more than kopete and would like it to be functional
[11:44] <gigix> sure
[11:44] <gigix> phoenix_firebrd: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-presence-applet/+bug/1022253
[11:44] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: oops sorry, you have to file in bugs.kde.org
[11:45] <gigix> got to go I'll connect later on, feel free to post comments on the bug report or contact me by IRC
[11:45] <gigix> phoenix_firebrd: ok I'll correct that in the afternoon
[11:46] <gigix> phoenix_firebrd: sure it's not kubuntu related, it's fairly functional in Fedora and Mageia
[11:46] <oracleoftruth> this any use (hope i don't anger the bot) ~$ ktorrent
[11:46] <oracleoftruth> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[11:46] <oracleoftruth> KGlobal::locale::Warning your global KLocale is being recreated with a valid main component instead of a fake component, this usually means you tried to call i18n related functions before your main component was created. You should not do that since it most likely will not work
[11:46] <oracleoftruth> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[11:46] <FloodBotK1> oracleoftruth: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:47] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: bugs in kde should be reported to bugs.kde.org, packaging bugs in launchpad
[11:47] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: use paste,kde.org
[11:47] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: use paste.kde.org
[11:51] <oracleoftruth> http://paste.kde.org/513938/
[11:53] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: did you try port forwarding?
[11:57] <oracleoftruth> no but i have tried other routers and same problem. Nothing else has a problem
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:00] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[12:01] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd
[12:15] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: use my nick when chatting, i will get notified then
[12:16] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: just press p and they press to get my name
[12:16] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: its the nick tab completion
 ah thanks!!
[12:20] <phoenix_firebrd> oracleoftruth: there is no error message related to your problem in what you pasted earlier
[13:51] <skreech_> kish: KDE is pretty nice
[14:17] <kish> skreech_, damn you just answered a 6 hour question
[15:18] <gigix> phoenix_firebrd: did my research on the bug kde tracker about the issue with the presence applet for KDE telepathy. It has been already reported and a fix has been committed. I have updated my bug report with a working solution suggested in one of the post which is to enable the applet through the system tray.
[15:18] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: thats nice, ty
[15:19] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: can you give me the bug report url
[15:19] <gigix> sure
[15:20] <gigix> phoenix_firebrd: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292476
[15:22] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: did you read about the workaround given in that bug report?
[15:23] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: oops
[15:23] <gigix> yes and it's working
[15:23] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: i forgot
[15:23] <gigix> I mentioned it in my bug report
[15:23] <phoenix_firebrd> gigix: what is your kde version?
[15:23] <gigix> 4.8.4
[16:16] <contrast> Greets, everyone... Any packaging experts around? I used this guide - http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ - to make a bunch of packages (mainly for scripts, themes and whatnot) and I've been trying to figure out how to upload them to a PPA. I'm assuming I need to use debuild to generate the necessary .changes files from the .debs I already have, but I've been unable to figure out how. Any help would be much appreciated.
[16:24] <BluesKaj> contrast, best to ask in #kubuntu-devel
[16:25] <contrast> Thanks, BluesKaj
[17:38] <kefir_> hi
[18:01] <u19809> hi all, I have 3.2.0-26 kernel installed (after upgrade of 12.04) and now the nouveau driver seems to want to load all the time but I would like the NVIDIA driver. How can I disable that nouveau driver ? I tried with blacklist but that does not seem to have any effect
[18:04] <BluesKaj> u19809, have you tried the recommended nvidia driver in aadditional drivers in kmenu>apps>system
[18:05] <u19809> that version installs the 295.44 which has problems for my old NVIDIA card.  I need the latest version
[18:05] <BluesKaj> no need to disable the nouveau driver
[18:05] <u19809> but it gets loaded before the NVIDIA and that one does not want to load anymore.
[18:06] <BluesKaj> which card , u19809 ?
[18:06] <u19809> GeForce 7100 / nForce 630i
[18:06] <u19809> XV does not seem to work very well (movies are very shaky)
[18:07] <BluesKaj> u19809, I have the geforce 7600 gt pci card is yours an onboard or pci ?
[18:08] <u19809> on board
[18:14] <BluesKaj> u19809, you can try the xedgers ppa driver 302.17 , dunno
[18:14] <BluesKaj> dunno if it will work tho
[18:19] <westyvw> how can i get the notification to add mp3 functionality to k3b to SHUT UP
[18:55] <mindspin> aloha, wie kann ich denn die schriftfarbe in der Kontrollleiste ändern? vor allem weiß auf grau bei den "popups" empfinde ich als extrem unangenehm.
[18:56] <L3top> !de | mindspin
[18:57] <mindspin> sorry, wrong channelwindow
[18:57] <L3top> np :)
[18:58] <mindspin> I 'd like to change the font color in the panel, white on grey is not useable for me, can anybody help? (12.04)
[18:59] <mindspin> especially the "popup" mesages are not userfriendly in my eyes
[19:00] <mindspin> I just switched to kde4, being a dy hard kde3-fan who used trinity until it was complete senseless without ofice working and firefox lagging ;-)
[19:01] <mindspin> so do not judge me to hard, I work with my computer firtsly and have no sense for eyecandy
[19:01] <mindspin> too even
[19:03]  * L3top is looking around in system settings mindspin.
[19:03] <L3top> Now that you mentioned it, I don't like it either... so once I figure it out I will let you know
[19:06] <L3top> mindspin: K button/applications/settings/system settings/application appearance   & workspace appearance   /colors
[19:06] <mindspin> L3top: I tried to solve it there, with no result yet, but I#ll have another try
[19:07] <mindspin> the other, more important problem is that my broadcom wireless-device is not recognized (its a thinkpad t43)
[19:08] <mindspin> I installed severals packages with no effect, but I#m sure there is a solution, ucle google did not really help in may case
[19:08] <L3top> !bcm43
[19:08] <L3top> grr...
[19:09] <mindspin> hehe ubottu
[19:10] <BluesKaj> mindspin, system settings >workspace appearance>desktop theme...perhaps a differnt theme colour will help
[19:10] <BluesKaj> !broadcom
[19:11] <mindspin> good bot
[19:12] <BluesKaj> minspin , try sudo modprobe b43 , then sudo ifconfig wlan0 up for your wifi
[19:14] <BluesKaj> sudo ifconfig wlan0 up,  is the command
[19:14] <L3top> !bcm43xx
[19:15] <L3top> I see... sorry BluesKaj...
[19:17] <BluesKaj> L3top, yeah are some legacy firmware info in that URL , not just the bcm43
[19:19] <mindspin> I love you guys, card is up, I can ping the gateway, but names are not resolved
[19:20] <L3top> I believe resolv.conf is depreciated... but I would look there.
[19:21] <mindspin> the wired card resolves fine
[19:21] <mindspin> I'll have a look
[19:21] <mindspin> thanks so far, the main problem was not knowing the right module
[19:22] <mindspin> the rest will be solved with a bitt of fiddling around
[19:22] <mindspin> great to be back in the kubuntian world
[19:36] <Daskreech> L3top: Really?
[19:37] <Daskreech> L3top: what's the replacement for resolv.conf ?
[19:37] <Daskreech> mindspin: Welcome back!
[19:38] <L3top> Not sure that it is accurate Daskreech... someone who generally knows things, cant remember who, in #ubuntu said this a few weeks back... I will try and figure out
[19:39] <Daskreech> L3top: Ok I'll try find out as well
[19:40] <L3top> resolvconf (tool)
[19:45] <L3top> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuServer/ http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[19:46] <L3top> editing the resolv.conf seems to be overwritten according to docs, each boot... so that tool is used to manage it now
[19:46] <L3top> Though this may just be for serving...
[19:51] <L3top> "resolvconf is now used to manage /etc/resolv.conf on all Ubuntu systems."  so... guess that is that... though... that tool isn't installed on my 1204 kubu desktop... so... who knows. I guess maybe that is just if you want to change it.
[19:53] <BluesKaj> yes l3 Daskreech , list your dns servers here now , /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head,  it will write them into /etc/resolv.conf ...it's weird but it works
[19:53] <BluesKaj> L3top,^
[19:55] <BluesKaj> ok , time to set up the BBQ ...finally cool enough to go outside for more than 5 mins
[19:55] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[20:02] <duarte> onde eu to
[20:06] <L3top> ahh awesome... ty BluesKaj.
[20:09] <L3top> BluesKaj: 104f here. I can only run from AC home to AC car or I will turn to ash like a vampire.
[20:18] <BluesKaj> L3top, well , relief is on the way if the cool gets down your way....we're 250mi N of Toronto and not used to 90+ temps...it's 77f here atm
[20:20] <tobiasBora> Hello !
[20:20] <tobiasBora> I've a little problem : I'd like to modify a shortcut in Kwin :
[20:21] <tobiasBora> but when I go in system configuration -> shortcut -> globals shortcut, kwin is absent.
[20:21] <tobiasBora> How could I see it again ?
[20:34] <skreech_> BluesKaj: Can that be initiated on the fly?
[21:02] <ilir_> Hi all
[21:37] <fouad> Hello, I am using linux-kubuntu on my dell inspiron 5030. My "Disable Touchpad" button (on my keyboard) doesn't work, how can i fix that?
[22:16] <andres__> help =(
[22:16] <andres__> ayuda
[22:17] <andres__> algun latino que me pueda ayudar?
[22:53] <fouad> Hello, I am using linux-kubuntu on my dell inspiron 5030. My "Disable Touchpad" button (on my keyboard) doesn't work, how can i fix that?
[23:05] <Daskreech> fouad: check the synaptics config?
[23:05] <Daskreech> !br
[23:09] <stripe> hi all, kubuntu12.04 64bit. having problems when  opening the home directory with nautilus from a desktop icon, the file opens then "greys out" for about 3 -5 seconds before it opens on the correct home folder. any ideas?
[23:13] <Daskreech> Grays out?
[23:14] <Daskreech> You just installed nautilus on Kubuntu ?
[23:15] <stripe> Daskreech: the new window is totlay grey, no text or anything, my bad its the standard Dolphin sorry.
[23:15] <Daskreech> Ah
[23:15] <Daskreech> How many files do you have in ~ ?
[23:16] <Daskreech> That only happens with me in one directory but it's chock full of files
[23:17] <stripe> very few, about 15 too 20 files and the bigest is a 56Mb mp4 video
[23:18] <Daskreech> That should be fine. Does it do it everytime you open it?
[23:18] <Daskreech>  As in it's not just the first time?
[23:19] <stripe> Daskreech: It happens about 20% of the time
[23:19] <Daskreech> if you close it and reopen it does it sometimes happen or does it only do it if you haven't opened it for a while?
[23:20] <stripe> Daskreech: mainly after it has not been opened for a while
[23:21] <Daskreech> stripe: Hmm ok cache perhaps>?
[23:21] <Daskreech> I'd probably open it from the konsole and see if it emits a notice before it goes grey
[23:22] <stripe> Daskreech:  have got 8Gb ram,  will try from Terminal
[23:22] <Daskreech> stripe: ah not thecache I was thinking of
[23:24] <stripe> Daskreech:  no messages when opening from Konsole.
[23:25] <Daskreech> IT went grey?
[23:25] <stripe> Daskreech: no it just opened as it is supposed too
[23:28] <Daskreech> That's good I suppose
[23:29] <stripe> Daskreech: I will try leaving it for a while and then try again opening from console and see if that does make a difference, thanks for the help mate
[23:30] <Daskreech> ok


[06:06] <onrea> http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-install-juju-manually-cloudimg-tar-gz-where-should-it-be-extracted/1548?u=onrea


[08:31] <ararob> i'm trying to delete a meny entry in wine->programs , when i look in wine.desktop, i don't see the subentries under ->program
[08:32] <ararob> s/meny/menu/
[08:54] <silverlion> ararob : try "menulibre" without the quotes. you have to install it via synaptic
[08:54] <silverlion> with that you can edit/delete/enter anything in the menu
[08:58] <ararob> ok
[09:02] <ararob> silverlion, it worked, thanks
[09:02] <silverlion> ararob : you are welcome ;)
[09:16] <janolap1> hi ! I have accidently formatted my boot/grub/xp partition (table partition rewrite). Can anyone help me using testdisk to recover my data and system. I'm currently on Lubuntu on the same PC.
[09:16] <janolap1> Can anyone assist me on the recovery process ?
[09:18] <janolap1> I'm quite sure the original partitions were : /dev/sda1 (ntfs+boot), /dev/sda2 (ntfs), /dev/sda3 (extended for linux), etc for linux part
[09:23] <silverlion> janolap1 : that's way over my knowledge ... sorry
[09:23] <janolap1> ok, thanks.
[09:24] <janolap1> ok, I'll just reinstall grub, and try a datarecovery with photorec...
[09:30] <nanogeek> Janolap1 how can I install grub?
[09:32] <janolap1> nanogeek : as far as I know, you can do : sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[09:33] <janolap1> if /dev/sda is your boot disk.
[09:33] <janolap1> But I'm not really a expert in thoses tasks
[09:34] <janolap1> nanogeek : why do you want to install it ?
[09:48] <janolap1> nanogeek : why do you want to install it ?
[09:49] <nanogeek> i just want to know how to do it
[12:22] <Freed309> Hi.
[12:23] <Freed309> I'm having an issue with my Wireless. Occasionally the hardware switch goes orange by itself and all wireless connections die. Before this used to happen when I left the computer on sleep. Now it's happening without warning.
[12:24] <Freed309> I'm using Lubuntu 14.04
[12:26] <Freed309> Originally when I killed the process, it would work. But now the process simply refuses to be killed.
[12:31] <Freed309> Anyone here?
[12:33] <testdr> Freed309: what process did you kill and does not work "killing" any more? network-manager?
[12:33] <Freed309> Yes.
[12:33] <Freed309> I killed that and modem manager. I thought Modem might be the parent
[12:33] <Freed309> But it restarted to
[12:33] <Freed309> *too
[12:33] <testdr> Freed309: you have to check the pid (process-id) because the network-manager will be restarted if not there
[12:34] <Freed309> I did.
[12:34] <Freed309> I was terminating them from the terminal
[12:34] <testdr> Freed309: thats what it is made for -- if you really want to stop network - you have to shutdown the service
[12:34] <Freed309> Using PiDs
[12:35] <Freed309> You're saying I should find the PiD for the service?
[12:35] <testdr> Freed309: first: how long did wireless work without problems? (until last update) Or did you have always problems (like said about sleep-status)?
[12:36] <Freed309> I always had them.
[12:36] <Freed309> I would simply kill the Network Manager and NM Applet
[12:36] <Freed309> Using the PiDs.
[12:37] <Freed309> Basically, I would open the Task manager, and then kill PiDs from the Terminal in Root.
[12:39] <testdr> Freed309: then you did wait to long - you should check the logfile (/var/log/syslog) about messages for wlan problems - and did you already check any hints (hard/software probs) about your wlan-hardware (chipset, vendor-product-id)?
[12:40] <Freed309> No, and should I show you the logfile?
[12:40] <Freed309> The thing is, I never used this laptop until recently.
[12:41] <Freed309> So whenever I would use it, I would ignore the problem.
[12:41] <testdr> Freed309: the syslog logfile could be very long -- you have to upload it to the pastebin-service and poste the link to the upload here if you cannot find the error/warn-messages about the network service (and its breaking)
[12:41] <Freed309> Pastebin is what I intended and yeah.
[12:43] <testdr> Freed309: then for this laptop - first get yourself a cable-twisted-pair for working internet-connection and make a full update (you did not say what version - 14.04?) - could be it will fix it .. or make it worse - but you need cable-connection or the update may disturbed
[12:44] <Freed309> I can't obtain a wired connection, and there seems to be several tar gz worth of logfiles.
[12:46] <testdr> Freed309: you have to get a working internet-connection for this laptop - you wont never get proper updates with a broken connection.  Check the last syslog (without gz) and maybe give some hardware-hints about the laptop, wlan-chipset or did you already look for any online hints to this hardware?
[12:47] <Freed309> Do you want to know what the Hardware is?
[12:47] <Freed309> Here's the recent one
[12:47] <Freed309> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9634537/
[12:47] <testdr> Freed309: yes - you did not check for any hints for it?
[12:48] <Freed309> Any hints as to why it wasn't working or?
[12:49] <Freed309> And this is the Wireless card itself: 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[12:49] <Freed309> From LSPCI.
[12:50] <Freed309> No I didn't.
[12:50] <testdr> Freed309: first quick question: why it looks (from the syslog) that the wlan is only valid for around 1 hour and dhcp needs a renew?
[12:50] <Freed309> I have no idea.
[12:51] <testdr> Freed309: the time of the dhcp-offer is setup in the router - who did it?
[12:51] <Freed309> Well, the person who installed the TWC Cable connection in my house.
[12:52] <Freed309> It works fine with my Windows system.
[12:52] <Freed309> That doesn't work
[12:52] <Freed309> Atm.
[12:53] <Freed309> Someone had the grand idea of sitting on it. :/
[12:54] <Freed309> Anyways. Before we go off into a tangent, I would have no idea how to change it, since our ISP doesn't allow you to modify Router settings.
[12:54] <testdr> Freed309: did you check even such video-hints?  Like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9wfFVjqXzw
[12:55] <testdr> video-title: How to fix Qualcom Atheros AR9485 problem under Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[12:56] <Freed309> Well, was it for the situation I had, or a different one?
[12:57] <Freed309> It seems like his wasn't working at all.
[12:57] <Freed309> Mine is working, but it stops all of a sudden.
[13:00] <testdr> Freed309: open a terminal and run:   ping   -W 10   ip-number-of-your-wlan-router   (should be <IP_ADDRESS> from your syslog)
[13:00] <testdr> that runs a ping with a timeout of 10 seconds and should show when the network "falls asleep"
[13:01] <testdr> Freed309: if this constant ping (=network-traffic) will help - then you have to check the power-saving settings, maybe its set to disable the network and a wake-up will give you the probs (like a restart would do too).
[13:02] <Freed309> I have checked the settings, and there is nothing like that specified
[13:04] <Freed309> i found something though, I'm not sure if it's pertaining to this.
[13:05] <Freed309> testdr: In Power Info, NM is set to 0.2 in wakeup
[13:05] <Freed309> *wakeups
[13:10] <Freed309> testdr: Hello?
[13:13] <testdr> Freed309: no - you did check and you are shure nothing will help - i suggested to try the "ping-command" to not let network fall asleep and to prove it maybe the power-settings. And other online-hints for your hardware are not apropriate you think - so i cannot help, because i dont have this hardware myself to do my own checks.
[13:14] <Freed309> I did set up the Ping command
[13:14] <Freed309> Yeah, cause they don't apply to my situation.
[13:14] <Freed309> I think for some reason it just falls asleep
[13:15] <Freed309> And then it creates a Zombie Process.
[13:16] <testdr> Freed309: thats what you are shure about and why should i doubt what you say?  From the kernel-version of the laptop - its from the last updates and this proves there was a lot of data-transfer (more than 100MB) ?over this faulty wlan-connection.
[13:17] <Freed309> Yeah. Now what should I do to find why it's sleeping randomly?
[13:17] <testdr> Freed309: stopping network is done with "service".   Check in terminal the output of:   service networking    and use the hints
[13:17] <testdr> Freed309: scroll back in your irc-log and read my hint about using the ping-command
[13:18] <Freed309> Yeah, I'm using it
[13:18] <Freed309> It's still running.
[13:18] <Freed309> So what I should do, is see when it stops and then try to figure out why?
[13:18] <Freed309> Right?
[13:20] <testdr> Freed309: then you have to wait - if it wlan breaks now too or if this little wlan-traffic keeps it working . If so - you have to decide to disable the sleeping-mode (dont know if there are any hints about it), what some people may not want, if they need the short time of battery-uptime.
[13:20] <Freed309> I will disable it. I don't need sleep mode at all.
[18:27] <janolap1> Hi there, is there a way to add emblems to folders under lubuntu ? (I mean adding small sub-icons to the folder image)
[18:28] <ianorlin> janolap1: I haven't tried doint that and do not know how really to do that
[18:29] <janolap1> ianorlin : thanx, I know it exists under other windows managers...
[23:22] <janolap1> how can I upgrade Lubuntu 14.04 to 14.10 ?
[23:22] <wxl> janolap1: did you read the release notes?
[23:23] <janolap1> wxl : no...
[23:23] <teward> you should
[23:24] <wxl> yep
[23:24] <wxl> for i suspect you will find your answer there
[23:24] <wxl> and when i suspect, i mean "i know" XD
[23:24] <teward> ^ that
[23:25] <janolap1> no "apt-get upgrade" ?
[23:25] <teward> what planet are you from :P
[23:25] <teward> janolap1: apt-get upgrade only upgrades packages within the release
[23:25] <janolap1> there...
[23:25] <teward> never goes to the next release
[23:25] <teward> never has, never will
[23:25] <janolap1> sorry : dist-upgrade
[23:26] <teward> janolap1: same concept - apt-get dist-upgrade only upgrades packages within the release
[23:26] <teward> but packages that would get held by upgrade (kernel, wine, etc.) don't get updated
[23:26] <teward> s/don't/do/
[23:26] <teward> read the release notes
[23:26] <wxl> be nice teward :)
[23:27] <janolap1> this one : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu ?
[23:27] <teward> with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_14.04_LTS still being relevant i believe
[23:27] <teward> wxl: i've been bashing my head against POODLE and SSLv3 for 4 hours i'm on edge
[23:27] <teward> it's an atypical time for me
[23:28] <teward> wxl: Lubuntu still has all the flavor-agnostic changes from the main Ubuntu changelog included as well right?
[23:28] <wxl> janolap1: naw, start at the basic ones https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_14.04_LTS
[23:28] <teward> (i.e. core changes)
[23:28] <wxl> teward: lubuntu is ubuntu
[23:28] <wxl> teward: tl;dr yes
[23:28] <teward> that's a yes :)
[23:29] <janolap1> ok, I wasn't reading the good ReleaseNotes ... That's simple now.
[23:30] <teward> janolap1: the Lubuntu release notes link to the base Ubuntu release notes
[23:30] <teward> there's a lot of flavor-agnostic changes that affect all the flavors and the main changelog does touch on those
[23:30] <teward> (like the kernel for instance)
[23:30] <wxl> main = lubuntu?
[23:33] <teward> main = Ubuntu in that statement
[23:33] <teward> since you just said lubuntu is ubuntu :P
[23:33] <wxl> huh they don't?
[23:33] <wxl> oh :/
[23:33]  * wxl slaps teward
[23:33]  * teward returns the slap with a pulse blast from a dark-matter energy pistol
[23:38] <janolap1> trying it...


[00:27] <Debolaz> Anyone here have experience hacking on pidgin? Where would it be appropriate to place code to manage the icon count on Unitys launcher?
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[09:55] <RawChid> Good morning. I want 'quickly edit' to use gedit. But in ~/.bashrc I have (and want to keep) EDITOR=vim. Any ideas on solving this?


[06:57] <crevette> hello
[06:57] <tjaalton> so, do we want input-properties in 1.5? :)
[06:57] <tjaalton> *iput-device-
[06:58] <tjaalton> uh, _input_
[06:58] <crevette> what is evdev ? I see this used for keyboard layout in gnome-keyboard-properties
[06:58] <tjaalton> a driver
[06:58] <tjaalton> generic driver for simple input devices
[06:59] <tjaalton> man evdev
[06:59] <crevette> ah okay thanks
[06:59] <crevette> so no need to set a specific keyboard layout now
[06:59] <tjaalton> you must use that model or else things will break
[06:59] <tjaalton> layout != model
[07:00] <crevette> ah sorry, my X knowledge is zip
[07:00] <tjaalton> you can change the layout
[07:00] <tjaalton> the model should probably be forced, but that would break non-evdev setups
[07:01] <crevette> the driver is not listed in xorg.conf, this is not a problem?
[07:01] <tjaalton> no
[07:01] <tjaalton> I probably should upload the xorg changes
[07:01] <crevette> (I regenerated the xorg conf with dpkg-reconfigure recetnly for intrepid)
[07:02] <tjaalton> after the upload you'd have no input devices in xorg.conf
[07:02] <tjaalton> since they are ignored anyway
[07:02] <crevette> I had a strange problem few days back, where I had no input in gdm after an update
[07:02] <tjaalton> mouse worked?
[07:02] <crevette> so I wasn't able to logon :)
[07:03] <crevette> no
[07:03] <crevette> but the problem vanished
[07:03] <tjaalton> so you didn't have all the updates
[07:03] <tjaalton> we use input-hotplug now, and that requires the latest hal
[07:03] <crevette> so blame update-manager :)
[07:03] <crevette> ah, xorg as the hal module now
[07:03] <crevette> great
[07:03] <tjaalton> "few days back" <- what does that mean?
[07:04] <crevette> so we take advantage of hotplug
[07:04] <crevette> tjaalton: hmmm, less than a week
[07:04] <tjaalton> which mirror?
[07:04] <tjaalton> the hal version was uploaded tuesday last week
[07:04] <crevette> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[07:04] <crevette> perhaps One week, I don't remamber
[07:05] <crevette> remember
[07:05] <crevette> but it disappeared now
[07:06] <tjaalton> ok, you have the old xorg.conf somewhere?
[07:06] <tjaalton> or maybe you didn't have evdev installed
[07:07] <crevette> let's see
[07:08] <crevette> the dpk-reconfigure remove a InputDevice stanza for synaptic
[07:08] <crevette> removed
[07:08] <crevette> and added XkbOptions"	"lv3:ralt_switch
[07:12] <tjaalton> those should not matter
[07:50] <bryce> tjaalton: btw I got all the Gem packages built
[07:50] <bryce> installed and tested them on my laptop too.
[07:51] <tjaalton> bryce: whee, works too?
[07:53] <bryce> well, it isn't broken!
[07:53] <tjaalton> bryce: btw, what do you think about input-device properties? whot would like to see it in 1.5 and I'm pushing for it. It would also need a patch for inputproto and libXi, but would allow changing settings runtime for those devices that support it
[07:53] <bryce> (I don't see any difference... but I assume the kernel side stuff has to be there)
[07:54] <bryce> yes I definitely think that's worth including
[07:54] <tjaalton> bryce: heh, yeah it falls back to the old stuff
[07:54] <tjaalton> cool, I'll prepare stuff for post-alpha4
[07:54] <bryce> great
[07:55] <tjaalton> synaptics support (think SHMConfig madness..) is not there yet, but I believe it's just a matter of time if 1.5 supports IDP
[07:56] <bryce> btw, all the gem stuff has been merged to master upstream
[07:56] <tjaalton> yep, that's great news
[07:57] <tjaalton> I also looked at plymouth (a kernel-modesetting -aware bootsplash thingie), but that's probably intrepid+1 material by now :)
[07:58] <bryce> what's its dependencies?
[07:58] <tjaalton> it has fallbacks for non-km setups, so it just needs integration
[07:59] <tjaalton> basically would replace usplash once it's mature
[08:02] <crevette> GEM is planned for intrepid or later?
[08:02] <tjaalton> crevette: I guess it depends on how stable it is
[08:03] <tjaalton> or will be
[08:22] <bryce> heya tseliot
[08:23] <bryce> crevette: we're just beginning to test it; hard to say when it'll be ready.  I've got packages if you want to play with it; I'll post to ubuntu-x@ in a bit
[08:23] <tseliot> hi bryce
[08:23] <crevette> bryce: cool
[09:58] <tjaalton> bryce: btw, do you have the source for the versions_current.html script somewhere? I could reuse it for vdr packages
[10:06] <bryce> tjaalton: hmm I take back my "I don't see any difference".  It's quite buggy actually
[10:06] <tjaalton> hehe :)
[10:06] <bryce> had it flashing red screens at me.  quite alarming
[10:13] <bryce> tjaalton: http://bryceharrington.org/files/xorg_pkg_list, http://bryceharrington.org/files/xorg_pkg_list.cron
[10:14] <tjaalton> bryce: cool, thanks!
[10:18] <bryce> wow, I've totally thrashed this laptop
[10:30] <bryce> I think it's because I did an apt-get upgrade after installing the test packages
[10:30] <bryce> silly man I am
[10:30] <tjaalton> :)
[10:31] <tjaalton> things to do when feeling tired :)
[10:32] <bryce> network-manager broke
[10:32] <bryce> but it's working now
[10:35] <tjaalton> works fine here too, 3G and all
[10:35] <tjaalton> I've got IDP ready, now all I need is drivers that support it :)
[10:36] <tjaalton> evdev checks for input API 3, so it needs patching to work
[10:36] <tjaalton> whot said that synaptics is almost ready
[10:36] <bryce> tjaalton: any ideas on 255008?
[10:37] <tjaalton> bryce: yeah, mdz should change the model in the kbd capplet
[10:37] <tjaalton> bag
[10:37] <tjaalton> uh
[10:37] <tjaalton> *bah
[10:37] <bryce> sounds like he's not satisfied with that
[10:39] <tjaalton> if we decide not to support non-evdev setups, it could be forced in gnome
[10:39] <tjaalton> evdev forces the model initially, but it can be changed AIUI
[10:39] <tjaalton> so the driver could force evdev once and for all
[10:40] <bryce> hm, that doesn't sound like a great solution, since conceivably evdev might not work for some folks
[10:40] <tjaalton> so if you use evdev, the driver forces the model to be evdev?
[10:41] <bryce> hrm, with the gem mesa + libdrm, the gem -intel refuses to build.  hrmph.
[10:41] <bryce> "Unmet build dependencies: libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev"
[10:45] <bryce> ah, need to throw more .deb's at it.  of course.
[10:46] <bryce> sweet it's building
[10:46] <tjaalton> you've got them on ppa?
[10:48] <bryce> no
[10:48] <bryce> hrm, fails to build due to missing uxa.h
[10:48] <jcristau> there's a patch for that on the list
[10:49] <bryce> jcristau: ah, it's not in git?
[10:49] <jcristau> think not
[10:49] <bryce> screen flickers a lot too
[11:13] <bryce> alright, Gem-enabled buggy crap posted to list.  time for bed.  cya.
[11:13] <tjaalton> night :)
[11:14] <soren> "GEM"? Wow, that takes me back.
[11:14]  * soren wonders if even Wikipedia remembers
[11:14] <soren> Oh, it does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_Environment_Manager
[11:15] <soren> Oh, it's GPL now!
[11:16] <tjaalton> workbench ftw!
[11:16] <tjaalton> :)
[11:21] <soren> :)
[16:25] <tjaalton> pwnguin: turns out my tablet is a rebranded waltop media tablet
[16:25] <tjaalton> and not really aiptek
[16:25] <tjaalton> http://www.waltop.com/p_mediate_tablet.htm
[16:25] <tjaalton> identical
[16:28] <pwnguin> heh
[16:28] <pwnguin> isn't hardware rebranding fun?
[16:29] <tjaalton> sure is
[16:30] <tjaalton> apparently wacom should work
[16:30] <pwnguin> orly?
[16:30] <tjaalton> at least for the other walto models
[16:30] <tjaalton> waltop
[16:30] <pwnguin> i almost wonder if
[16:30] <pwnguin> walto rebrands other people's stuff
[16:30] <tjaalton> like aiptek 600U and 14000U
[16:30] <tjaalton> could be, but lsusb shows this as waltop
[16:31] <pwnguin> who owns the vendor id?
[16:31] <tjaalton> WALTOP International Corp.
[16:31] <pwnguin> crazy
[16:32] <pwnguin> when i picked up mine, i made sure it was a wacom
[16:32] <pwnguin> specifically to avoid that crap
[16:32] <tjaalton> yeah, talk about luck :)
[16:32] <tjaalton> I only need to verify it works
[16:33] <pwnguin> id be surprised if wacom actually works with it
[16:33] <tjaalton> I knew it was el cheapo model, and if it didn't work I could always sell it without losing that much
[16:33] <pwnguin> linuxwacom is actually run by wacom
[16:34] <tjaalton> maybe it's just rebranded wacom :)
[16:48] <tjaalton> yep, works
[16:49] <pwnguin> crazy
[16:50] <pwnguin> perhaps waltop licensed wacom technology, and aiptek rebranded that
[16:50] <tjaalton> I need to fix the settings, but at least it doesn't jump like with aiptek
[17:03] <tjaalton> even pressure works, yay
[17:14] <soren> Ok, someone please enlighten me:
[17:14] <soren> What are the benefits we get from evdev that justifies making my life miserable?
[17:15] <tjaalton> :/ I guess you mean kvm?
[17:15] <soren> And anything else that cares about extended keycodes, but yes, specifically kvm.
[17:17] <tjaalton> tbh I haven't tried a virtual setup with input-hotplug.. what issues does it have?
[17:18] <soren> The issue is not in the guest. It's the host.
[17:18] <soren> Oh, perhaps that's what you meant.
[17:18] <soren> Anyhow, the problem is..
[17:18] <soren> ..that someone's at the door.
[17:18] <soren> brb
[17:18] <tjaalton> :)
[17:27] <tjaalton> hmm, can't create the kvm img
[17:27] <tjaalton> "next" does nothing
[17:31] <soren> Er... No, it's a bit... no.
[17:34] <soren> tjaalton: Well, to get back to the core issue. What are the benefits we get from evdev?
[17:34] <tjaalton> soren: input-hotplug
[17:35] <tjaalton> and out-of-the-box support for mice with N buttons (N>>3)
[17:35] <tjaalton> etc
[17:36] <soren> Ah, so it's a prerequisite for input-hotplug? that's what I thought.
[17:37] <tjaalton> hal can be taught to load other drivers, too
[17:37] <tjaalton> so if you're thinking of virtual machines, they could load vmmouse AIUI
[17:38] <tjaalton> there just needs to be a way to identify one (from hal)
[17:39] <soren> The problem is with evdev on the host.
[17:39] <tjaalton> if your keys are behaving strangely, make sure to set the keyboard model as evdev
[17:40] <soren> If the host uses evdev, any kind of extended key presses are lost.
[17:40] <bryce> morning
[17:40] <tjaalton> soren: does xev show them?
[17:40] <tjaalton> morning bryce
[17:40] <soren> Like, say, up arrow and down arrow.
[17:41] <tjaalton> soren: as I said, make sure that the model is evdev :)
[17:41] <tjaalton> bug 255008
[17:41] <bryce> tjaalton: maybe we should revert back to non input-hotplug for keyboards?
[17:41] <tjaalton> the real solution would be to make sure that libxklavier uses evdev model when evdev is used
[17:41] <soren> I don't know why, but my laptop screen is *very* dark suddenly, and it doesn't let me increase the brightness, so I'm rebootting. bbiab
[17:41] <tjaalton> bryce: I don't think that's necessary
[17:42] <tjaalton> bryce: see the last message on that bug
[17:42] <tjaalton> by me
[17:45] <tjaalton> to further quote daniels, "gnome stupidity is 99% of the problem."
[17:45] <tjaalton> "makes a pleasant change from us just being too shit."
[17:45] <bryce> hmm.  doesn't sound certain that this would work
[17:46] <tjaalton> why?
[17:48] <bryce> well, first we'd need to backport device properties, then patch libxklavier, etc.  Hopefully/maybe that'd work, but it doesn't sound like a certain solution
[17:48] <bryce> + what other issues might it bring?
[17:48] <tjaalton> less than what forcing it in gconf would
[17:48] <tjaalton> which is the only other way
[17:48] <tjaalton> (aiui)
[17:58] <tjaalton> bryce: svu should be persuaded to fix libxklavier ;)
[18:06] <bryce> tjaalton: I guess I should see if I can reproduce the issue
[18:06] <bryce> but breakfast first... bbiab
[18:07] <pwnguin> is there a doc on the keymap problems i should read?
[18:08] <tjaalton> pwnguin: what do you mean?
[18:08] <pwnguin> my laptop keyboard sucks in intrepid
[18:08] <pwnguin> page down triggers right click
[18:08] <pwnguin> arrow keys dont work
[18:09] <tjaalton> start from that bug
[18:09] <tjaalton> just reset the kb model from the gnome keyboard capplet
[18:09] <tjaalton> it's documented on the alpha4 release notes btw
[18:09] <pwnguin> well, heh
[18:09] <pwnguin> ive been using intrepid since before alpha1
[18:10] <tjaalton> yes, relnotes are not for you ;)
[18:10] <tjaalton> the wacom.fdi doesn't seem to work right, evdev grabs the device
[18:11] <pwnguin> tjaalton: is it too late to pull in a new release from upstream?
[18:11] <pwnguin> oh right, i forgot it might not build
[18:11] <tjaalton> pwnguin: don't think so
[18:11] <pwnguin> our fearless hero danny may have broken linuxwacom on debian in the process of fixing openSuse
[18:12] <tjaalton> heh
[18:12] <pwnguin> of course, it takes a committer to make it official
[18:12] <tjaalton> what good is the kernel module for?
[18:12] <pwnguin> i have no clue
[18:12] <tjaalton> doesn't look like it's using it for me
[18:13] <tjaalton> but it seems to work fine
[18:13] <pwnguin> i dont see it either
[18:13] <tjaalton> the modules is loaded, just that lsmod shows that nothing is using it
[18:14] <pwnguin> its not even loaded in mine
[18:15] <tjaalton> I should probably wash my bike while I have time.. bbl->
[18:15] <pwnguin> tjaalton: thanks for the keyboard tip
[18:23] <pwnguin> oh thats not good
[18:23] <pwnguin> dmesg | grep wacom
[18:23] <pwnguin> [   50.383182] Xorg[7733]: segfault at ff36 ip b68a97cc sp bfc034d0 error 4 in wacom_drv.so[b68a6000+13000
[18:25] <bryce> tjaalton: what are the issues from forcing it in gconf?  that sounds more feasible to do for alpha-4 - what if we deployed that for alpha-4 and switched back once the libxklavier fixes are available?
[20:21] <bryce> tjaalton: what are the issues from forcing it in gconf?  that sounds more feasible to do for alpha-4 - what if we deployed that for alpha-4 and switched back once the libxklavier fixes are available?
[20:21] <bryce> oops mispaste
[21:26] <tjaalton> bryce: AIUI it would break those setups that don't want to run with evdev
[21:26] <tjaalton> I didn't think that this should be fixed for alpha4
[21:46] <bryce> tjaalton: why not?
[21:47] <tjaalton> lack of time? :)
[21:53] <tjaalton> hmm, actually, forcing the key /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd/model as empty would use whatever the system has as default
[21:53] <tjaalton> so there's no need to force it as evdev
[21:54] <tjaalton> I'll test this sucker on my laptop..
[21:55] <seb128> tjaalton: the default is empty already
[21:55] <tjaalton> seb128: yes, but not mandatory
[21:55] <seb128> tjaalton: it's set according to the xorg value during the first login most likely
[21:55] <seb128> tjaalton: we don't force configs this way over users
[21:56] <tjaalton> seb128: btw, you like hacking libxklavier? :)
[21:56] <seb128> no
[21:56] <tjaalton> heh
[21:56] <seb128> I've no clue about keyboards
[21:57] <tjaalton> are there any packages that set mandatory gconf keys?
[21:58] <tjaalton> seb128: the problem is that there's no other way, at least for alpha4
[21:59] <seb128> tjaalton: no, setting mandatory gconf keys is wrong
[21:59] <seb128> that's a sysadmin thing
[22:00] <seb128> the package should not touch this database
[22:00] <seb128> that's likely changing users value
[22:00] <seb128> you might think it's a good idea in some case but that's wrong and you will get some angry users
[22:00] <tjaalton> how so? it's not copied to the user settings
[22:01] <tjaalton> we'll get angry users who have broken keyboard
[22:01] <seb128> no, but mandatory is something sysadmin set usually
[22:01] <seb128> so if you overwrite their changes that's not good
[22:01] <seb128> that's something the distro should not touch
[22:01] <seb128> well, overwritting sysadmin configs is not the way to do that
[22:01] <tjaalton> ok
[22:02] <seb128> if you want to force a value change the code which reads the key, don't do system changes
[22:02] <tjaalton> hmm
[22:03] <tjaalton> what might that be
[22:03] <seb128> tjaalton: gnome-settings-daemon
[22:04] <tjaalton> seb128: btw, the multimedia-keybindings are still wrong ;)
[22:04] <seb128> tjaalton: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/rpms/gnome-settings-daemon/devel/gnome-settings-daemon-2.21.91-ignore-model-if-evdev.patch
[22:04] <tjaalton> seb128: cool!
[22:04] <seb128> tjaalton: I'll update the package to change those and apply this patch too
[22:04] <seb128> doing that in a few minutes
[22:05]  * tjaalton hugs seb128 <3
[22:05]  * seb128 hugs tjaalton
[22:05] <tjaalton> much easier than doing it in libxklavier
[22:05] <seb128> tjaalton: do you have a bug number about the issue?
[22:05] <tjaalton> bug 255008
[22:05] <tjaalton> I'll reassign against g-s-d
[22:06] <tjaalton> (the libxklavier part)
[22:06] <seb128> ok, thanks
[22:06] <seb128> I'll will close it in the changelog ;-)
[22:08] <tjaalton> eeexcellent..</burns>
[22:14] <tjaalton> fedora has had this patch for nearly three months.. shame on them. it should be upstream
[22:15] <bryce> cool, thanks seb128
[22:16] <tjaalton> hmm, the patch is over five months old
[22:20] <seb128> tjaalton: right, I'll upstream it now
[22:20] <tjaalton> seb128: great, thanks
[22:20] <seb128> I mean send it to bugzilla.gnome.org
[22:20] <tjaalton> yep
[22:31] <seb128> tjaalton: bug open upstream and change uploaded to intrepid
[22:34] <tjaalton> seb128: rrrock
[22:35] <tjaalton> trying to figure out what's wrong with 10-wacom.fdi
[23:25] <superm1> bryce, on one of our platforms with cantiga graphics we were seeing this odd situation where it looks like too many displays are enabled at one time.  kinda like the panels are restricted to the maximum output of the second display (which isn't physically plugged in).  Jose said there was a patch at some point in 8.04 to work around this behavior.  is it possible that such patch didn't make it into intrepid?
[23:28] <bryce> hi superm1
[23:28] <superm1> hi :)
[23:29] <bryce> ah sounds like our old pipe-a quirk issue
[23:29] <superm1> was the quirk hardware specific?
[23:30] <superm1> or generic to the whole intel driver
[23:30] <bryce> er, I mean the ignore_tv quirk
[23:30] <superm1> well this must be an evolution of it then..
[23:30] <bryce> yeah that's the problem - they're tied to specific hardware pci id's
[23:31] <superm1> no svid on these, hdmi probably would be the culprit to be causing it
[23:31] <bryce> a lot of the dell systems have the issue, and we just quirk each of them as we identify it.  So probably we just need to do the same.
[23:31] <superm1> i'll be getting later engineering builds very soon for  these too, so i'll check with those first
[23:32] <bryce> put in a bug with the lspci -nnvv output and I'll take care of it.  I can usually backport the quirks easy if you want it fixed in hardy too
[23:32] <superm1> do you know if this sort of thing is caused by a vbios bug then?  we can get ahead of the curve if so and report these types of issues
[23:33] <bryce> I don't know the specifics... keithp or jesse would be the ones to ask.  I understood the problem was that they can't detect loads on tv_out
[23:33] <superm1> to bios teams etc
[23:34] <bryce> I need to doublecheck some of the rework they've done to the quirks.  I know they've changed some to affect whole classes, so that might take care of it.  Not sure.
[23:34] <superm1> that seems odd that a load is not detectable on tv out.  how else would it dynamically determine in the bios what displays to turn on
[23:34] <superm1> okay well i'll sync back up with you once the later build gets here
[23:34] <bryce> ok cool
[23:34] <superm1> would you like one of these to play with too?
[23:34] <bryce> sure
[23:34] <superm1> i'm not sure if you have anything with cantiga thus far
[23:35] <superm1> okay i'll check with the quantities that we have and see what i can do :)
[23:35] <bryce> I did have one briefly a month or so ago, and sorted out a kernel issue they were having
[23:35] <bryce> but I only had it for about a week and didn't get into much depth in the testing beyond that, and a totem issue
[23:38] <superm1> okay we've got plenty of these with more builds coming in soon.  you can hang on to this one for a  bit then at least
[23:38] <bryce> excellent
[23:39] <superm1> re that radeonhd thing i was talking about the other day, it shows up on the new engineering builds too.  vesa is okay with it, so i'm leaning towards buggy radeon driver
[23:39] <superm1> so i'll get both these out in the mail tomorrow or so
[23:39] <bryce> btw, if you're interested I've put up some GEM-enabled packages of -intel, mesa, and libdrm at http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/Gem/
[23:39] <superm1> what's GEM?
[23:39] <bryce> it's the new graphics memory manager (to replace TTM)
[23:40] <bryce> that in theory makes X all manner of happy
[23:40] <superm1> ah
[23:40] <superm1> sure i'll add a note to take a look
[23:40] <superm1> should be valid on all variants of -intel?
[23:40] <bryce> it just got merged into master upstream, so figured we ought to have packages for anyone wishing to start playing with it
[23:41] <superm1> ah so sorta like an intel-next type of thing to play with then
[23:41] <bryce> I believe so.  Or at least all 9xx chips
[23:42] <bryce> yeah, I stuck it on my 965 and found it to be quite buggy (bad flickering).  So definitely still a WIP


[05:07] <pitti> Good morning
[07:20] <Saviq> cjwatson, hey, do you have pointers on how to mk-sbuild for rtm?
[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <sil2100> pitti: hello! Could we ask you to re-run the i386 autopkgtest for network-manager?
[08:04] <sil2100> pitti: the amd64 one seems to have passed
[08:06] <sil2100> pitti: ah, ok, just learned it's a real regression, nvm!
[08:46] <pitti> sil2100: right, already discussed that with cyphermox_ yesterday
[09:32] <cjwatson> Saviq: no
[09:33] <cjwatson> Saviq: it's awkward because debootstrap requires non-trivial fiddling to work for ubuntu-rtm.  You're possibly best off downloading the Launchpad buildd chroots from https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/amd64 etc.
[10:14] <doko> Laney, replied to #1368094
[10:16] <Laney> ty
[12:03] <xnox> Logan_: what's up?
[12:03] <xnox> but 1368094
[12:03] <xnox> bug 1368094
[12:07] <Laney> pad.lv/ :P
[12:45] <jibel> jodh, I've two desktop machines running utopic that hangs on shutdown. It seems to stop on unmountfs. Any idea how I can debug that?
[12:50] <jodh> jibel: have you recently added some remote filesystems to fstab? I'd remove splash and quiet from the boot options, add '--debug' (which will put both upstart+mountall in debug mode). You may want to create mountall.override containing 'console output'. Also https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/trusty/sysvinit/log-open-files-on-shutdown/+merge/196141 could be useful (never made it into the
[12:50] <jodh> distro alas)
[12:53] <jibel> jodh, my fstab is rather basic http://paste.ubuntu.com/8326868/ , I already removed quiet and splash, that's how I found it stopped on unmounting filesystems. I'll add --debug and have a look at your patch.
[12:56] <zul> doko: thanks for promoting python-oslo.utils, however launchpad says its in main but the archive thinks otherwise
[12:57] <doko> zul: launchpad says "1 hour ago"
[12:58] <doko> just wait
[12:58] <zul> ok
[13:03] <doko> glance (1:2014.2~b3-0ubuntu3) utopic; urgency=medium
[13:03] <doko>   * debian/control: Fix typos.
[13:03] <doko>   * debian/pydist-overrides; Add orderdict to overides.
[13:03] <doko> zul: looking at the changelog I can't believe that you actually fixed typos ;)
[13:04] <zul> doko: gee thanks
[14:06] <dholbach> hey mlankhorst, how are you doing?
[14:06] <dholbach> mlankhorst, do you think you'd need some more information for bug 1368784?
[14:19] <doko> pitti, just in case you are bored ... libcitygml seems to have some issues with the pkgbinarymangler
[14:20] <pitti> I'm still trying to get out of IRC/meetings/backlog swamp; at this point I need to ask to send bug reports
[14:36] <mdeslaur> slangasek: could someone from foundations please take over bug 1271591, it's really annoying on trusty
[14:45] <slangasek> jodh: ^^ can you have a look at this?
[14:45] <jodh> slangasek: ack
[14:45] <mdeslaur> slangasek, jodh: thanks
[15:39] <smoser> slangasek, when you have a  minute, i'd appreciate some thoughts on http://paste.ubuntu.com/8327941/ . which is attempt block networking coming up until cloud-init-local has run (as it might write networking).
[16:10] <Laney> whoops, had utopic-proposed on
[16:10] <Laney> wonder how much crack I've got
[16:10] <ogra_> the good stuff
[16:11] <Laney> you install ogra's upload, very nice
[17:19] <slangasek> pitti: hi, so bfiller has pointed out that libthumbnailer0 1.2+14.10.20140814-0ubuntu1 in ubuntu-rtm/14.09 is missing the corresponding ddeb.  Any idea?
[20:07] <smoser> hallyn, can i ask lxc: what is the real/outside pid of pid X inside container named foo
[20:15] <hallyn> smoser: no.  the kernel doesn't tell you that yet
[20:15] <hallyn> there is a guy on lkml trying to push a patchset that would let us figure that out
[20:15] <hallyn> but right now that info is simply not available
[20:16] <hallyn> smoser: unless you can have a process inside the container send a ucred as SCM_CREDNETIAL to the outside task
[20:16] <hallyn> the kernel will translate the pid for the receipient
[20:16] <hallyn> that's how cgmanager=-proxy works
[20:16] <smoser> but if i'm outside the container ?
[20:16] <smoser> ie, i'm on outside. i want to figure out "whats the real pid of the container's pid 1"
[20:17] <hallyn> well you could still write a program that setns's into the container's pidna and sends you a ucred
[20:17] <hallyn> maybe i should write that
[20:18] <smoser> how does 'lxc-stop' do it ?
[20:18] <hallyn> it gets the pid from the lxc monitor
[20:18] <hallyn> when a container starts, it starts a 'monitor' that respones to some commands over a unix sock
[20:18] <hallyn> includidng "wha tis your pid" and "what is your cgroup"
[20:18] <hallyn> and "stop"
[20:19] <hallyn> so if you jus twant it fo ra container, you can do 'lxc-info -p -H -n $containername"
[20:19] <hallyn> sorry, if that's all you wanted, i was overcomplicating :)
[20:20] <hallyn> unheard of from me :)
[20:20] <hallyn> smoser: is that all you needed?
[20:20] <hallyn> i still may write that utility though
[20:21] <smoser> actually, yeah. i think that is.
[20:21] <smoser> so is there any difference then between:
[20:21] <smoser>  pid=$(lxc-info -p -H -n "$name")
[20:22] <smoser>  kill --signal=SIGQUIT $pid
[20:22] <smoser> and
[20:22] <smoser>  lxc-stop --name=$name
[20:27] <hallyn> yeah, lxc-stop has some default behavior;
[20:27] <hallyn> it'll send stopsignal first, or SIGKILL if that's not defined
[20:28] <hallyn> oh no, first i'tll send SIGPOWER
[20:28] <hallyn> which upstart will respond to kindly
[20:29] <hallyn> then it'll send the quit signal
[20:34] <stgraber> yeah, lxc-stop by default is SIGPWR + 30s wait + SIGKILL, that's all configurable though. So the equivalent to smoser's command would be to have the container starting with stopsignal=SIGQUIT and then running lxc-stop -n container --nokill which would send SIGQUIT but never SIGKILL
[20:35] <stgraber> any container created by lxc should have a proper stopsignal set, either responding to the default SIGPWR or have the default config for the distro specify the right signal. Which means that lxc-stop -n blah is always the right way to cleanly stop a container and lxc-stop -n blah -k is always the right way to kill it immediately.
[20:38] <smoser> thanks
[20:41] <hallyn> think i'll write that pidtranslate tool tonight, maybe that'll obviate the need for a kernel patch
[22:19] <hallyn> done, that wasn't too bad.  though making it not hang on bad info would take a bit more work