[05:12] <MTecknology> is there any reason I can change screen brightness, but if i change it to a anything but certain levels, i get a screen that is nearly completely black?
[05:12] <allquixotic> Anyone having problems installing latest lirc? 0.8.2-0-ubuntu7 i386
[05:12] <allquixotic> it hangs trying to start lircd apparently
[05:12] <allquixotic> MTecknology: what laptop?
[05:12] <bazhang> GNine: alt +f2 compiz --replace &, then once more alt +f2 kde-window-decorator --replace &
[05:12] <MTecknology> allquixotic, gateway m28-3 tablet pc
[05:12] <bazhang> GNine: or you can do the same with emerald.
[05:12] <MTecknology> m285-e
[05:13] <MTecknology> ^ **
[05:13] <allquixotic> MTecknology: on my ThinkPad X60 I'm having the same problem.
[05:13] <MTecknology> allquixotic, what levels does it work at?
[05:14] <allquixotic> MTecknology: using KPowersave, I set the slider to like 99% and then can incrementally take it lower. If I drop it as low as 2%, it'll still appear to be at about 50%. If I drop it to 1%, it wraps to full bright.
[05:14] <allquixotic> MTecknology: if I use the Fn+BrightnessDown, it will make it totally black after just a few presses
[05:14] <MTecknology> that's different from me then
[05:14] <allquixotic> MTecknology: it's an improvement over earlier builds; on Feisty using the brightness keys crashes X :D Many distros have the same problem. Not sure what the culprit is
[05:15] <allquixotic> The only distro I've EVER used that 100% correctly implemented screen brightness on this laptop was openSUSE 10.2 - broken in 10.3 Beta, lol
[05:15] <MTecknology> i basically have a couple small ranges that work right
[05:15] <MTecknology> on 7.04 it functioned right
[05:15] <allquixotic> and that's after trying FC6, FC7, Linspire, Freespire 2.0, Feisty, and many builds of Gutsy
[05:16] <Hobbsee> yay, here come the dupes
[05:17] <Hobbsee> i wish people would actually *search* the bugtracker before filing things.
[05:17] <MTecknology> Hobbsee, i'm doing so now
[05:17] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: for which bug?
[05:17] <GNine> i have an xgl issue when i run compiz from terminal. it crashed my system last time so i dont like the idea of running alt-f2 for it
[05:17] <MTecknology> screen brightness
[05:17] <Hobbsee> ah right
[05:18] <MTecknology> Hobbsee, actually - i'm hoping there's something about a fix in there already
[05:18] <Froek> how do i set the default shell? (its currently not bash)
[05:18] <bazhang> GNine: alt +f2 is not terminal..
[05:18] <disasm> Froek: /etc/passwd
[05:18] <GNine> either way , what does that have to do with desktops and panels, bazhang
[05:18] <Hobbsee> Froek: current user shell is /bash.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> er, /bin/bash
[05:18] <disasm> Froek: find your user, change shell path to your desired shell
[05:18] <GNine> and, am not using kde .. i got xfce4, bazhang
[05:19] <MTecknology> no results for 'screen brightness' or 'screen contrast'
[05:19] <bazhang> GNine: sorry!
[05:19] <Froek> Hobbsee,  disasm it's bash, but it's not really "bash"
[05:19] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: those are under the kernel, gnome-power-manager, or acpi, iirc
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Froek: what makes you say that?
[05:19] <Froek> i had to re-symlink it before, but it seems to have reverted itself and I don't know how to get it back
[05:20] <MTecknology> Hobbsee, you mean the issue is related to the kernel maybe?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: coudl be.  could be related to a few things.
[05:20] <MTecknology> in 7.04 it did work perfect
[05:21] <MTecknology> i suppose that eliminates some packages that could cause it... vim maybe?
[05:21] <Froek> if i wanted to go BACK to 7.04, can I just throw the install disc and will it overwrite everything, but not lose my /home/user stuff?
[05:21] <Froek> i did a dist-upgrade to gutsy
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Froek: backup your ~
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Froek: did you stick /home on a separate partition?
[05:21] <Froek> no
[05:21] <Hobbsee> then back it up onto a cd or something, and copy it back.
[05:21] <Froek> i know i could cut it out
[05:21] <Hobbsee> after you've reinstalled
[05:22] <Froek> k
[05:22] <MTecknology> I've been hoping that some upgrade will eventually fix my screen brightness issue, as well as the panel issue
[05:22] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: could well be kernel, if it's a regression.  could be other things.  i've no real idea
[05:22] <MTecknology> regression?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> from feisty
[05:23] <MTecknology> i did a clean install
[05:23] <Hobbsee> as in, if it worked in feisty, and doesnt in gutsy, then it's a regression.
[05:24] <MTecknology> you mean, that's just the definition?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:24] <GNine> xgl and compiz are kicking my a**.  the greatest challenge to date on my ubuntu history
[05:24] <GNine> heh
[05:25] <MTecknology> how long will it probably be b4 the gimp issue is resolved?
[05:25] <Matir> gimp issue?
[05:26] <MTecknology> Matir, during updates - there's an issue w/ a gimp package
[05:26] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: couple of hours, probably
[05:26] <MTecknology> i'd try to fix it myself - but no clue where to start
[05:26] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: depends how high it hits the importance pile
[05:27] <Almindor> heya, there's no CD release?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> Almindor: ?
[05:27] <MTecknology> Hobbsee, is there any way to ignore that package atm??
[05:27] <Almindor> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/
[05:27] <Almindor> all DVD
[05:27] <Hobbsee> Almindor: /topic, before you look like a goose
[05:27] <Hobbsee> bah.  you goose.
[05:27] <kevinO> good morning, i got some updates a minute ago and it says gim was unable to update, and i have a broken file in my system, use the broken filter to take care of it. How do i use the broken filter?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> kevinO: known.
[05:27] <kevinO> gimp*
[05:27] <savvas> Hobbsee: you were right.. habit :)
[05:27] <kevinO> ok
[05:27] <Hobbsee> savvas: yup.
[05:27] <bazhang> Almindor: it's in releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/beta I believe
[05:28] <Hobbsee> savvas: still confuses the release team too
[05:28] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: yeah, you can do the rest of the updates, then dpkg --configure -a
[05:28] <savvas> why don't they put a note on the cdimage website? :P
[05:28] <Hobbsee> savvas: there's a bug open for it
[05:28] <MTecknology> Hobbsee, how do I tell it to ignore those packages?
[05:28] <savvas> ah great
[05:28] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: "it"?
[05:28] <Almindor> Hobbsee, I still don't see much info on the topic regarding DVD vs CD..
[05:28] <MTecknology> the gimp packages
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Almindor: last part.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> about seeing r.u.c for the beta.
[05:29] <Almindor> Hobbsee, hmm why does official page point only to DVD?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Almindor: that's not the official page....
[05:29] <GNine> :-P
[05:30] <MTecknology> i try apt-get upgrade and it complains about gimp, so i try install -f, and we know what happens then
[05:30] <Almindor> anything google gives first for "gutsy beta" is :D tell them to fix pageranks :P
[05:30] <MTecknology> i do want to upgrade everything else b/c one bug is supposed to be fixed
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Almindor: google can be wrong.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> (they've moved)
[05:30] <Hobbsee> right, is th etopic clear enough for everyone nwo?
[05:30] <Almindor> :)
[05:31] <Almindor> it's still misleading from the "release schedule" page
[05:31] <Hobbsee> where?
[05:31] <GNine> Almindor, go have breakfast
[05:31] <Almindor> that page points AGAIN to the DVD
[05:31] <Almindor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule -- click on beta => DVD
[05:31] <Almindor> perhaps you should fix your pages :
[05:31] <Almindor> :)
[05:32] <GNine> perhaps you should go have breakfast, Almindor
[05:32] <Hobbsee> oh, i see.
[05:32] <Eq|work> Almindor : try releases.ubuntu.com ?
[05:32] <Almindor> GNine, how do you ignore people on xchat? it would help us both if we knew (I don't know)
[05:32] <Hobbsee> fixed.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> Almindor: /ignore Almindor
[05:32] <GNine> you dont know that either.. you need more than breakfast then
[05:32] <Almindor> Hobbsee, heh thanks
[05:33] <Almindor> Hobbsee, nope
[05:33] <savvas> lol
[05:33] <Almindor> Hobbsee, ignore takes mask to hostnames or somesuch
[05:33] <Eq|work> no
[05:33] <Eq|work> ignore takes a whole host of things
[05:33] <Eq|work> it can be just a nick
[05:33] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: is correct
[05:33] <branstrom> I can't upgrade gimp - it says: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp_2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libgimp2.0/README', which is also in package libgimp2.0
[05:33] <Eq|work> which is equivalent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:33] <Hobbsee> oh, that's what else i was going to add to teh topic
[05:34] <Eq|work> branstrom : yes. known issue.
[05:34] <savvas> branstrom: welcome to the club
[05:34] <Eq|work> packaging bug.
[05:34] <GNine> ignore is too technical .. anybody knows a windows way to do that .. msg Almindor with reply
[05:34] <Almindor> Eq|work, yes but /ignore <nick> doesn't work :)
[05:34] <branstrom> Okay. Solved yet?
[05:34] <Hobbsee> branstrom: obviously not, else you'dhavei t.
[05:34] <Almindor> GNine, how old are you anyway?
[05:34] <branstrom> Alright. Sorry.
[05:35] <GNine> gotcha
[05:35] <GNine> good
[05:35] <Almindor> thanks for the info, I'm sure I'd find it on google eventually, but you're faster and more entertaining :P
[05:36] <savvas> "If you regularly update" <- the biggest mistake
[05:36] <savvas> however, it's a beta, someone has to try it heh
[05:36] <GNine> the mistake is the "regularity" of it.. the context of the message is still .. alright
[05:36] <Almindor> gutsy went fine except the hickup on the upgrader
[05:36] <Eq|work> Almindor : /ignore nick works in all the irc clients i've used. that includes xchat.
[05:37] <MTecknology> let's see if the upgrades fixed anything for me
[05:37] <Almindor> Eq|work, I get a nice "help" message on it :) (can paste if you're interrested hehe)
[05:38] <GNine> just so you feel better, Almindor , am gonna pretend you're already ignoring me.  ok?
[05:38] <Almindor> GNine, it's not healthy :)
[05:39] <savvas> it's a waste of bytes not to see what is sent to you :p
[05:39] <chrisbudden14> hey, ive compiled fglrx for gutsy, and im having a lot of trouble getting it to work properly.  ive added fglrx to the blacklist module section.  when i start up, fglrx does not get loaded because it is not in the correct folder, but when i move fglrx.ko to the correct folder, i can modprobe and it works.
[05:40] <Almindor> oh yes, something which bothered me since upgrading.. did the xmms-gnome-panel thingy (forgot name TBH) go away? (now THIS sounded noobish)
[05:40] <GNine> yah.. maybe i should research on how to change/lookup/mess with black/white lists
[05:41] <mase> my window title bars vanished after i enabled desktop effects
[05:41] <mase> whats happening?
[05:41] <dakira> hey.. where do i report bugs for the battery.ko kernel module? after upgrading to gutsy my laptop always automatically shut down. I assumed it was related to ACPI and disabled it. I could then circle it down to blacklisting to battery module and now it seems to work. since I assume a complete failure to work (after upgrading) is unwanted behavior I want to report that as a bug ;)
[05:41] <disasm> Almindor: I think xmms is depracated in favor of audacious
[05:41] <GNine> but xgl is definitely coming up telling its not in the whitelist
[05:42] <bazhang> mase: need to enable them in compizconfig settings manager Windows decoration (very near the bottom)
[05:42] <hjmills> anybody noticed the libgimp2.0 breakage and come up with a solution?
[05:43] <kevinO> hello again, after installing the updates this morning, and restarting, my xserver did not work, i reconfigured xserver-xorg file and got back to my desktop. I also noticed suring bootup i had the ubuntu-studio usplash. I do have the ubuntu studio audio package, but all those extra ubuntustudio updates came with the updates this morning, like the usplash, gdm and gnome themes. I try to remove the usplash and it says it wants to remo
[05:43] <mase> wheres compizconfig?
[05:43] <kevinO> lol
[05:43] <Hobbsee> hjmills: /topic, before you look like a muppet.
[05:43] <bazhang> mase: need to install it
[05:43] <Almindor> disasm, will try, is there a way to get some "remote" applet for it?
[05:43] <mase> doh
[05:44] <savvas> mase: http://medigeek.blogspot.com/2007/09/ubuntu-unveil-real-power-of-compiz.html
[05:45] <hjmills> Hobbsee, ah ok, sorry - can I pick a muppet to be now? Kermit was always cool...
[05:45] <dakira> has anyone had sound problems since upgrading? I only get sound in certain applications (like VLC) but no more sound e.g. in flash
[05:45] <Almindor> Hobbsee, most people just don't read the topic before asking (or ever) [guess I don't have to say.. me included? :D]
[05:45] <savvas> !topic
[05:45] <mase> savvas,  thanks mang
[05:45] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[05:45] <savvas> :)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hjmills: :D
[05:45] <kevinO> does anyone have any idea whats wrong with my system?
[05:46] <hjmills> kevinO, yes
[05:46] <Almindor> Hobbsee, perhaps you should make your bot /msg people a big red warning about the topic ? :)
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Almindor: yeah, well.  they could have some care of other people
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Almindor: we do - most block it, and send it to the server window.
[05:46] <Almindor> Hobbsee, on entry that is
[05:46] <Hobbsee> (we do for #ubuntu)
[05:46] <MTecknology> nothing more's working... o well
[05:46] <Almindor> oh right :)
[05:46] <kevinO> hjmills, would you like to share?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> but clearly, it doesnt work.
[05:46] <hjmills> kevinO, oh no, its top secret...
[05:46] <hjmills> kevinO, what won't it do?
[05:47] <kevinO> awww come on......
[05:47] <kevinO> lol
[05:47] <mrmonday> what date is gutsy scheduled for release?
[05:47] <tremby> hey folks. i just installed the beta of gutsy on one of my machines and can't get it to access the network. i've tried "roaming mode" (which i've never heard of before) and a test ping says "network is unreachable". tried dhcp but it's not managing to obtain an ip address (other machines on the network are fine, and this one is too when booted to windows). any ideas what could be wrong?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> !topic | mrmonday
[05:47] <ubotu> mrmonday: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[05:47] <mrmonday> lol
[05:47] <kevinO> hjmills: after installing the updates this morning, and restarting, my xserver did not work, i reconfigured xserver-xorg file and got back to my desktop. I also noticed suring bootup i had the ubuntu-studio usplash. I do have the ubuntu studio audio package, but all those extra ubuntustudio updates came with the updates this morning, like the usplash, gdm and gnome themes. I try to remove the usplash and it says it wants to remove u
[05:47] <kevinO> hehe
[05:47] <mrmonday> I was trying to avoid opening my browser :P
[05:47] <savvas> there already is a notice, 16:13:03 [Freenode]  -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu+1]  Please read the topic. Especially if things are broken!
[05:48] <Hobbsee> mrmonday: you lazy sod :P
[05:48] <mrmonday> Hobbsee, that's me :D
[05:48] <savvas> it's not his day :)
[05:48] <disasm> just did a dist-upgrade, no gimp breakage here
[05:48] <kevinO> i also notices that my kernel version is now rt is this normal?
[05:49] <hjmills> kevinO, try reinstalling the normal ubuntu bootsplash - the post-install scripts on the package *should* set it as the default splash i would think
[05:49] <mrmonday> October 18th :)
[05:49] <mrmonday> thanks :)
[05:49] <dakira> disasm: works here, too
[05:49] <tremby> any ideas on my network problem anyone?
[05:49] <ReL1K> fixed gimp by dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp_2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb and apt-get -f install
[05:49] <hjmills> kevinO, I think you are meant to run ubuntu-studio as a seperate desktop meta-package from ubuntu-base
[05:49] <ReL1K> thanks to permalink
[05:49] <Almindor> mrmonday, check your eth-s
[05:49] <disasm> whoever was having difficulties, with gimp, try purging it, and reinstalling
[05:49] <ReL1K> urrr to amit even
[05:49] <Almindor> mrmonday, I got 2 eth's and gutsy mixed them up
[05:49] <dakira> kevinO: install ubuntu-desktop and remove all the ubuntustudio packages
[05:50] <Almindor> mrmonday, eg: on feisty it was eth0 - internet, eth1 - local, on gutsy it's the other way around
[05:50] <kevinO> dakira but i have ubuntu desktop
[05:50] <disasm> dakira: why would anyone want to do that?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> disasm: your mirror is outdated then
[05:50] <mrmonday> Almindor, did you mean mrmonday?
[05:50] <kevinO> i only downloaded the ubuntu studio audio packae
[05:50] <Hobbsee> disasm: purging wont work.
[05:50] <Almindor> mrmonday, yes? what did I write? :)
[05:50] <dakira> disasm.. kevonO seems to want to get rid of the RT kernel and all that stuff
[05:51] <Hobbsee> disasm: windows solutions dont work well on linux
[05:51] <savvas> hm.. question: apt-get update uses rsync to update the local list of packages?
[05:51] <hjmills> ReL1K, thanks - that worked great
[05:51] <Hobbsee> savvas: dont think it does
[05:51] <disasm> Hobbsee: osuosl is outdated? I thought that was one of the more updated ones
[05:51] <hjmills> kevinO, why did you download that?
[05:51] <Hobbsee> disasm: it's only a couple of hours out.
[05:51] <kevinO> hjmills:  do you knwo if the kernel "rt" is the latest for gutsy, or is that a part of stui as well
[05:51] <kevinO> hjmills: it has a ton of cool audio programs
[05:51] <dakira> so has anyone a clue where I could start to fix my soundproblems?
[05:51] <savvas> Hobbsee: so it basically downloads the whole list of packages all over?
[05:51] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:51] <mrmonday> Almindor, you've successfully confused me :D Well done!
[05:52] <savvas> ok thanks :)
[05:52] <hjmills> kevinO, the rt is not the normal one-  mine is still generic
[05:52] <disasm> ah, rt kernel, that's custom compiled to have lower latency with recording, right?
[05:52] <Almindor> mrmonday, hmm now I can't find the original line I'm trying to answer :D
[05:52] <Almindor> mrmonday, this channel is too fast hehe :)
[05:52] <disasm> dakira: i helped someone earlier, what card?
[05:52] <hjmills> kevinO, then its probably a meta-package so remove it now the programs are installed and it shouldn't remove the programs (check first though)
[05:52] <kevinO> ok
[05:53] <hetauma_> !mouse
[05:53] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[05:53] <dakira> disasm: i don't think the problem is with the card.. I have perfect sound in some apps (like VLC) but no sound at all in other apps (like browser flash)
[05:54] <disasm> dakira: does it have to do with esd maybe?
[05:54] <kevinO> hjmills: anytime i try to remove anything studio it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:55] <disasm> dakira: try apt-get install install pulseaudio-esound-compat
[05:55] <MTecknology> well, disabling copmiz makes my login 11 seconds shorter, and the panel shows up right away
[05:55] <dakira> disasm: probably.. but how do I fix it? the only thing I know is, everything worked before the upgrade ;)
[05:55] <dakira> disasm: k
[05:56] <kevinO> maybe i should try booting with the generic kernel first
[05:56] <macogw> anyone else unable to update gimp because the package is broken?
[05:56] <bazhang> topic..
[05:56] <macogw> or rather because it's trying to overwrite a file that belongs to libgimp2?
[05:57] <macogw> oh
[05:57] <macogw> haha
[05:57] <foxiness> i have access-point "linksys",ubuntu can not login to this device "join the network" if it with out password coz it say it secure "if it none",what i should i do to help ubuntu fix it?
[05:57] <ReL1K> are they ever going to unblacklist gm965 intel from compiz? :P
[05:57] <dakira> dakira: ahh.. I see.. goog old polypaudio.. I thought that became unnecessary
[05:57] <disasm> ah, update just came in, we'll see if it breaks now ;-)
[05:57] <macogw> eh it still runs so yay
[05:58] <macogw> ReL1K: i thought the module for that was the intel driver
[05:58] <dakira> ReL1K: since there is no compositing available until now, I don't think so
[05:58] <ReL1K> macogw: yea, the intel driver
[05:59] <ReL1K> dakira: bah!
[05:59] <garu> hi everyone
[05:59] <kevinO> how do i remove the rt kernel, is there a proper way or do i just delete it?
[05:59] <dakira> ReL1K: there were some blog articles on that by the ubuntu compiz devs
[06:00] <dakira> ReL1K: don't have the links anymore, though
[06:00] <allquixotic> kevinO: aptitude remove linux-rt should do it, but make sure you have another kernel installed and in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:00] <disasm> yup, broken gimp package, wget an older one and force install it with dpkg
[06:00] <blekos> hello, i'm using gutsy kubuntu and when I log in I always get a message
[06:00] <disasm> or just wait
[06:00] <ReL1K> dakira: bummer, so not in plans eh?
[06:00] <blekos> Information-KdeSudo, No command arguments supplied!
[06:00] <garu> why is that after finishing installing gutsy gibbon beta version, the volume is very low?
[06:01] <garu> can someone help me out on this one?
[06:01] <dakira> ReL1K: i guess there are plans.. but it really depends on the intel driver devs and the xorg devs (both!)
[06:01] <dakira> brb
[06:02] <hetauma_> the imwheelrc comes preconfigured on gutsy?
[06:02] <kevinO> allquixotic: it says that thats not installed
[06:03] <disasm> garu: did you check alsamixer?
[06:04] <garu> disasm yep...the PCM field is set to maximum, but...the Master Field its on "00", I tried to increase it, it just wouldnt!
[06:05] <kevinO> would apt-get remove linux-headers-rt get rid of that kernel?
[06:05] <allquixotic> kevinO: ok, then you probably installed an actual kernel version package rather than the metapackage
[06:05] <macogw> you can do a simulation
[06:05] <allquixotic> kevinO: that means you should do apt-cache search linux-rt
[06:05] <allquixotic> kevinO: then aptitude remove all results matching linux-rt-*
[06:05] <macogw> just do apt-get remove -s linux-headers-rt and it'll show what itd do
[06:05] <kevinO> i already did that , there was nothing matching itr
[06:06] <kevinO> allquixotic:  but there is a linux-headers-rt
[06:06] <allquixotic> the headers are just the source code for developing the kernel or kernel modules - it will not remove the kernel itself if you have it installed
[06:06] <allquixotic> I am not sure why you are not seeing the packages, if you have the Gutsy repositories in /etc/apt/sources.lst
[06:07] <kevinO> oh ok looks like i type it wrond
[06:07] <allquixotic> you should be seeing the packages in an apt-cache search, otherwise you don't have them in your repo(s) and have nothing to remove
[06:07] <kevinO> linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-12-rt - Ubuntu supplied Linux modules for version 2.6.22 on x86/x86_64
[06:07] <kevinO> and linux-image-2.6.22-12-rt - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.22 on RT kernel
[06:07] <kevinO> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-12-rt - Ubuntu supplied Linux modules for version 2.6.22 on x86/x86_64
[06:08] <allquixotic> it's the linux-image and linux-*-modules that are the actual kernel binaries in /lib/modules - removing those, particularly linux-image-2.6.22-12-rt, will get rid of that kernel.
[06:08] <kevinO> ok
[06:08] <savvas> does anyone know how apport reports crashes? it opens launchpad and a new browser window, but are the info/files, that are gathered from apport, attached automatically to the report?
[06:08] <kevinO> allquixotic:  and i can do that while im running the kernel
[06:09] <allquixotic> kevinO: umm, yes, but if you have need to unload/reload a kernel module for this kernel until you reboot, you will be stuck. the kernel is in memory though so it should work
[06:09] <hetauma_> savvas, I think so yes
[06:09] <savvas> thanks
[06:09] <kevinO> ok
[06:10] <hetauma_> can some1 help a bit my memory... /etc/X11/imwheelrc from Imwheel in 7.04 was empty? and now it has many entries?
[06:11] <kevinO> ahhh nothing will wor
[06:11] <Pici> hetauma_: Are we talking 7.04 or 7.10?
[06:11] <dakira> disasm: ookay.. now the sound is gone completely.. also after deinstalling pulseaudio ;( grr
[06:12] <kevinO> allquixotic:  i cant reve them it says they have unmet dependencies
[06:12] <kevinO> remove*
[06:12] <hetauma_> Pici, in 7.10 it has maaaany entries for various programs.... if I remember correctly tho in 7.04 had none
[06:13] <mase> wow
[06:13] <bazhang> what
[06:13] <dakira> does anyone else have problems with ESD?
[06:13] <mase> gnome + ubuntu 7.10 + compiz + 1280x1024 = ownage
[06:14] <bazhang> no doubt
[06:14] <Pici> hetauma_: Is that a problem?
[06:14] <bazhang> but ubuntu is gnome, right?
[06:14] <mase> i dont know
[06:14] <mase> i have kde and gnome
[06:14] <kevinO> i cant remove anything without it wanting to remove gimp and ubuntu-desktop
[06:14] <hetauma_> Pici, yes I'm trying to figure out if I'm getting altzheimer or not :D
[06:14] <dakira> bazhang: right.. but you can install what ever you want
[06:14] <mase> kevinO, it wont actually remove it
[06:14] <garu> how o I get the volume of my audio loud?because its just very very low
[06:14] <Pici> hetauma_: Sorry, you're over my head now :/
[06:14] <bazhang> true, dakira
[06:15] <kevinO> mase it wont remove ubuntu-desktop?
[06:15] <tremby> i just installed the beta of gutsy on one of my machines and can't get it to access the network. i've tried "roaming mode" (which i've never heard of before) and a test ping says "network is unreachable". tried dhcp but it's not managing to obtain an ip address (other machines on the network are fine, and this one is too when booted to windows). any ideas what could be wrong?
[06:15] <savvas> kevinO: gimp 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu4 ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/148985 check out the comments
[06:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148985 in gimp "package gimp 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libgimp2.0/README', which is also in package libgimp2.0" [Undecided,Fix released]
[06:15] <kevinO> tremby. does the internet work when you have your live cd inserted?
[06:16] <mase> kevinO, no it wont
[06:16] <tremby> kevinO: nope
[06:17] <sdrowkcab> how do you use compiz?
[06:17] <mase> kevinO, internet works on live cd.
[06:17] <sdrowkcab> (enable it)
[06:17] <savvas> sdrowkcab: http://medigeek.blogspot.com/2007/09/ubuntu-unveil-real-power-of-compiz.html
[06:17] <mase> sdrowkcab, right click on desktop, change desktop background
[06:17] <mase> go to last tab and select one setting
[06:17] <sdrowkcab> it says no composite
[06:18] <savvas> sdrowkcab: read that link post please
[06:18] <kevinO> tremby, then sometihng is wrong with your settings
[06:18] <b0lle> i cant get my wifi card in my pcmcia slot to work (pccardctl works tho) but no wireless extensions avalible
[06:18] <sdrowkcab> ok
[06:18] <kevinO> tremby: are you connected to a router?
[06:19] <Derek_> Please help!  I upgraded to Gutsy and it is stuck installing gnome-applets.  The disk has been churning for hours.  Is there any way to exit gracefully?
[06:19] <tremby> kevinO: dhcp should be fine (is on other machines and on that one when booted to windows) but it's not getting and replies. yes it's connected to a router.
[06:19] <tremby> s/and/any/
[06:19] <savvas> tremby: modem or router?
[06:19] <savvas> oops
[06:20] <kevinO> im not sure trmby should work :)
[06:20] <tremby> well it doesn't. it's a very new motherboard -- could it be that the network interfaces on it aren't supported in linux yet?
[06:21] <savvas> tremby: try ifconfig -a to see the name of your network, and try do: sudo ifup nameofyournetwork
[06:21] <TheInfinity> tremby: is sometimes this way
[06:21] <Pici> Derek_: #ubuntu+1 for Gutsy questions please.
[06:22] <TheInfinity> i had this prob with the computer of my mum :/
[06:22] <savvas> tremby: most probably, you could try: lspci  (see if that shows any unknown device)
[06:22] <sdrowkcab> it does not work "The Composite extension is not available"
[06:23] <savvas> sdrowkcab: what graphics card do you have?
[06:23] <Derek_> Pici: I thought this was ubuntu+1?  That's what my url at the top says.
[06:23] <savvas> brand & model
[06:23] <tremby> savvas: if there does show an unknown device what can i do about it?
[06:23] <DanaG> Hmm, I like how CUPS holds drivers for WIndows -- and if you install Apple's Bonjour for Windows, it's easy to discover shared printers on non-WIndows computers.
[06:23] <Pici> Derek_: Er. sorry, I thought *I* was in #ubuntu.  Ooops.
[06:23] <savvas> tremby: well, I'd search in launchpad.net for bugs for that device
[06:23] <DanaG> However, for some reason, samba only worked after I did smbpasswd.
[06:23] <dakira> do i report a bug for a kernel module for the kernel-image package?
[06:23] <sdrowkcab> i have an ati 1650 PRO
[06:23] <pvandewyngaerde> Derek_:  do you know alt + sysrq keys ???
[06:24] <DanaG> Or rather, run as root with the parameter to reset password for my username.
[06:24] <kevinO> whats the command to update grub?
[06:24] <Derek_> pvand...: Uh, I know they exist. :)  Should I try it?
[06:24] <savvas> sdrowkcab: did you install the driver and restart?
[06:24] <sdrowkcab> ofcourse i did
[06:24] <DanaG> How do you get guest users working?
[06:25] <dmakalsky> When is gimp getting fixed?
[06:25] <pvandewyngaerde> alt + sysrq  (print sqreen)   +     keys  ( R E I S U B )   try them if you want to reboot  without messing up the partition
[06:25] <bazhang> has that ever worked for anyone?
[06:25] <kevinO> savvas thanks for that link, now all the studio stough i was trying to uninstall went wothout a hitch, seems the reason it wanted to remove ubuntu desktop was because of the gimpbug
[06:25] <Pici> bazhang: worked for me once.
[06:26] <savvas> kevinO: you were using aptitude?
[06:26] <bazhang> Pici: really? I've tried it about ten times, and no such luck
[06:26] <Derek_> I was afraid the system would be in some crazy state, having stopped in the middle of an upgrade, and I wouldn't be able to use it.
[06:26] <Pici> bazhang: I remember doing something different, like using another modifer key, but it worked.
[06:26] <kevinO> savvas, apt-get
[06:26] <sdrowkcab> savvas: what does composite not available mean?
[06:26] <bazhang> Pici: wow. Thanks!
[06:27] <kevinO> savvas is that the same thing?
[06:27] <pvandewyngaerde> Derek_:     dpkg --configure -a
[06:27] <b0lle> i cant get my wifi card in my pcmcia slot to work (pccardctl works tho) but no wireless extensions avalible and no network controller found in 'lspci'
[06:28] <savvas> sdrowkcab: there's a similar bug to yours: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/122104 - you might want to provide some info there
[06:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122104 in compiz "composite not working" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[06:31] <sdrowkcab> so what should i do?
[06:32] <bazhang> about what?
[06:32] <sdrowkcab> my problem with compiz
[06:32] <bazhang> sdrowkcab: could you recap?
[06:33] <sdrowkcab> ok
[06:34] <sdrowkcab> when i go to visual effects and click on extra it says this "The Composite extension is not available"
[06:34] <bazhang> sdrowkcab: you're using Gutsy beta, and have the compizconfig settings manager installed?
[06:34] <sdrowkcab> how do i install it?
[06:35] <sdrowkcab> sudo apt-get install python-compizconfig?
[06:35] <Reaby> i got udev problem, system can't mount my ntfs disks: Failed to access '/dev/disk/by-uuid/E214E40614E3DC13': No such file or directory
[06:35] <Reaby> how to fix
[06:36] <mase> wow
[06:36] <bullgard4> How much free disk space do I need for Ubuntu 7.04 to upgrade to Ubuntu 7.10?
[06:36] <feimao> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39544/
[06:36] <mase> how come everyday theres like 40+ new updates?
[06:36] <mase> bullgard4, 1.7gb
[06:36] <bazhang> sdrowkcab: I believe that's right, though you might want to apt-cache search compizconfig
[06:36] <TheInfinity> mase: beta software? ;)
[06:36] <sdrowkcab> how do you do that?
[06:36] <sdrowkcab> do i type that?
[06:37] <bullgard4> mase: Are there restrictions as to on what partition the free disk space has to be?
[06:37] <bazhang> sdrowkcab: yes, just like that in the terminal: sudo apt-cache search compizconfig, then enter your password
[06:38] <mase> bullgard4, the same one ubuntu is on
[06:38] <sdrowkcab> ok did it
[06:38] <mase> it's a dist-upgrade, not whole new installation, so yes
[06:38] <mase> i didnt have enough space, so i used partition magic to resize the partition
[06:38] <bazhang> sdrowkcab: do you see it?
[06:39] <jussi01> bazhang: you dont need sudo for apt-cache search...
[06:39] <sdrowkcab> do i see what?
[06:39] <bazhang> jussi01: ok, sorry.
[06:39] <bazhang> sdrowkcab: do you see the package named compizconfig settings manager?
[06:39] <jussi01> bazhang: dont be sory :) Just trying to help :)
[06:39] <bullgard4> mase: Is Gparted better suited than PartitionMagic to resize partitions?
[06:40] <sdrowkcab> where should i see it?
[06:40] <bazhang> jussi01: ok, thanks!
[06:40] <mase> bullgard4, i dont know, i think i used that too
[06:40] <bazhang> sdrowkcab: you know how to use the terminal, right?
[06:40] <bullgard4> mase: Thank you.
[06:40] <sdrowkcab> i am kinda new to linux
[06:41] <sdrowkcab> i typed to apt-cache search compizconfig
[06:41] <bazhang> sdrowkcab: ok, no problem; do you know how to add new pieces of software?
[06:41] <Dr_willis> gparted is 'better' in thats its free. :) and works better for my needs.
[06:41] <TheInfinity> sdrowkcab: new to linux and gutsy? :o
[06:41] <Dr_willis> I have a gparted-livecd - a MUST have in a pc toolbox.
[06:41] <Reaby> ok, how i fix fstab to new udev nodes as they changed after last update.
[06:41] <sdrowkcab> ok
[06:41] <Dr_willis> Reaby,  you mean the UUID entries?
[06:41] <Reaby> yep
[06:42] <Dr_willis> Reaby,  thats weird.. a update shouldent of changed those at all.
[06:42] <philip_> the GIMP is down, the GIMP is DOWN!
[06:42] <Reaby> gparted for example doesn't start up
[06:42] <sdrowkcab> i got ubuntu about 2months ago
[06:42] <Dr_willis> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[06:42] <Reaby> Dr_willis: it has done it once before for me
[06:42] <bazhang> sdrowkcab: in Ubuntu, you have a program called Synaptic, in Kubuntu, it's called Adept.
[06:42] <Dr_willis> gparted shouldent care about the UUID at all.
[06:43] <sdrowkcab> i know that
[06:43] <Dr_willis> it reads the actual deviices
[06:43] <sdrowkcab> i searched it for compiz
[06:43] <dn> i'm running gutsy beta and issues with gimp/gimp-python/libgimp2.0 are making me unable to apt-get update properly
[06:43] <Dr_willis> I tend to set my fstab to mount based on disk Label. :) makes it more readable.
[06:43] <Reaby> Dr_willis: it just says searching for devices
[06:43] <bazhang> dn: topic
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Reaby,  odd.   Might want to try a live cd. I favor using a live cd to do any gparted work.
[06:44] <DanaG> I do /dev/disk/by-id.
[06:44] <Reaby> Dr_willis: well, i started it only for automount :)
[06:44] <dn> doh, thanks
[06:44] <dn> are there any solutions?
[06:44] <Reaby> Dr_willis: well, i fix fstab
[06:45] <Reaby> Dr_willis: with your tips
[06:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:45] <bazhang> I think someone found a solution a few minutes ago.
[06:45] <Dr_willis> i thought the only thing that would change the uuid would be resizing of the partitions.
[06:45] <dn> i just joined, could you possibly pm it to me?
[06:45] <Dr_willis> of course ya could manually set the UUID's :)
[06:46] <DanaG> sudo vol_id -u /dev/sdX
[06:46] <camdenb> hello everybody.
[06:46] <Reaby> but that doesn't fix fstab ?
[06:47] <Reaby> DanaG: ^^
[06:47] <Dr_willis> fixing the fstab is fixing the fstab.. :) discovering the UUIDs of the disks is another task.
[06:47] <Dr_willis> theres no magic 'fix the fstab' command.
[06:48] <Dr_willis> or at least none that ive seen.
[06:48] <Reaby> okay
[06:48] <Reaby> so if i set fstab manually i system automounts volumes at boot
[06:48] <Reaby> and everything is ok
[06:48] <Reaby> right ?
[06:48] <Dr_willis> fstab has automounted entries.. correct.
[06:49] <Dr_willis> you can have entrys that are NOT automounted as well
[06:49] <Dr_willis> fstab and how linux mounts things is a top 10 thing to learn about to become a leetLinuxHaXor. :)
[06:49] <Reaby> err :p
[06:49] <Dr_willis> !fstab
[06:49] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[06:50] <Dr_willis> and ive spent MANY a time twiddling with the fstab
[06:50] <camdenb> has anybody here had success installing 7.10 without a cdrom?
[06:50] <Dr_willis> i never did figure out the proper way to have fstab mount a 'window share' with a space in its name.
[06:51] <Reaby> but basically my problem is only that fstab doesn't point to right volumes
[06:51] <Reaby> after that uuid change
[06:51] <Reaby> right, nothing else is broken ?
[06:52] <excitatory> question.. i'm currently using fesity with compiz-fusion from the trev1no feisty repository.. i realize that gutsy will have all of the fusion packages in its repos.. so before i upgrade, should i just remove the repository entry.. or remove the repo entry *and* remove the packages (to make way for the gutsy versions)... OR doesn't it matter, since the package names are the same?
[06:53] <philip_> anyone else having problems with the GIMP updates?
[06:53] <excitatory> philip_: look at the first sentence of the topic
[06:53] <bazhang> hahaha
[06:53] <philip_> excitatory, oh ahem err thanks :)
[06:53] <camdenb> can anybody tell me how to check the topic in bitchx?
[06:54] <Reaby> Dr_willis: Failed to mount '/dev/hda5': Operation not supported
[06:54] <Reaby> Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action:
[06:54] <DanaG> That's lame: can't mount RW?  Let's just mysteriously fail to mount at all.
[06:54] <Reaby> and yet i have no icon at desktop
[06:54] <DanaG> What about RO?
[06:55] <Froek> anyone know the best way to reinstall ATI drivers in gutsy?  Or to get xorg.conf working properly?  apparently i'm using the ATI driver but my gfx performance is horrible
[06:55] <DanaG> It should fall back automatically, with a message.
[06:55] <Froek> i tried using envy
[06:55] <jussi01> !envy | Froek:
[06:55] <ubotu> Froek:: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[06:55] <Reaby> DanaG: $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0)
[06:56] <Reaby> hmm
[06:56] <Reaby> graaah.
[06:56] <Reaby> something really messed up after last upgrade
[06:58] <camdenb> so my laptop's optical drive is defective, and the unit is out of warranty. in the past I've been successful in installing ubuntu from a hard drive partition using the alternate install disk. as I already have slackware installed I can specify boot information in my lilo.conf and boot from an arbitrary location.
[06:58] <camdenb> but it seems like the 7.10 alternate install disk no longer supports a network install, which is what I need.
[06:59] <Reaby> ach. i think problem is that my windows crashed and after that i booted to linux, $logfile on ntfs volume tells that system crashed, so ntfs-3g doesn't touch to disk
[06:59] <Reaby> maybe i just boot back to windows and do clean reboot
[06:59] <Reaby> brb -->
[06:59] <camdenb> does anyone have any suggestions for installing Ubuntu 7.10 without a cd-rom?
[07:00] <bazhang> camdenb: on another system, or from Linux?
[07:00] <Matir> camdenb, USB? netboot?
[07:01] <camdenb> I have a functional slackware install, as well as a 1gb utility partition that can be destroyed
[07:01] <camdenb> in the past I have simply extracted the alternate install iso to the util part and used grub or lilo to specify the kernel and initrd from the install disk
[07:02] <camdenb> then proceeded with net install. the 7.10 disk does not seem to support net install, however
[07:02] <rothchild> camdenb you could use the feisty net install and then upgrade?
[07:02] <DanaG> WTF? I still can't browse samba as guest.
[07:03] <Dr_willis> DanaG,  ive had some issues with samba timing out instantly under gutsy sadly. :(
[07:03] <Dr_willis> not sure what the deal is
[07:03] <DanaG> Linux is server, XP is client.
[07:03] <camdenb> hmm... that might work. I do like performing clean installs, have there been many problems with people upgrading?
[07:03] <DanaG> Incorrect password or unknown username.
[07:04] <DanaG> wtf>
[07:04] <bazhang> camdenb: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/
[07:04] <camdenb> bazhang: fascinating. this might be the ticket.
[07:05] <camdenb> thank you.
[07:05] <bazhang> camdenb: no problem!
[07:05] <ReL1K> just installed xgl on my intel card, looks very beautiful
[07:05] <ReL1K> compiz starts no problem now
[07:06] <bazhang> yay!
[07:06] <ReL1K> although my "extend" to other screen is now disabled. Hmmm...
[07:06] <b0lle> i cant get my wifi card in my pcmcia slot to work (pccardctl works tho) but no wireless extensions avalible and no network controller found in 'lspci'
[07:06] <camdenb> ls
[07:06] <camdenb> srry, wrong region
[07:07] <ReL1K> dual heads working as clone, can't extend atm
[07:08] <AnRkey> hi everyone
[07:08] <bazhang> hi
[07:08] <AnRkey> is gutsy supposed to work by now with a network install?
[07:08] <bazhang> AnRkey: what's up?
[07:08] <AnRkey> at work
[07:08] <AnRkey>  :(
[07:09] <AnRkey> working late for some presentation
[07:09] <bazhang> boo!
[07:09] <ReL1K> anyone using xgl with an intel card?
[07:09] <AnRkey> yaha
[07:09] <AnRkey> :D
[07:09] <bazhang> yes
[07:09] <AnRkey> Reaby, I am
[07:09] <ReL1K> have you gotten dual heads working in expand?
[07:09] <camdenb> later folks!
[07:09] <bazhang> later!
[07:09] <ssb> hi! I've installed 7.10 beta and have a feeling that everything is much slower than it should, especially  eog and ghoststcript.  The question is: Are beta packages compiled with debugging or something else that makes them run slowly... or should I just get a better box ?
[07:10] <bazhang> ReL1K: I only have the one. sigh.
[07:10] <ReL1K> hehe
[07:10] <ReL1K> i got it working with xrandr
[07:10] <bazhang> cool!
[07:10] <dmulligan> Hi.  The LiveCDs crash on startup for me unless I select Graphics Safe Mode.  Both Feisty and Edgy have done that as well.  I think its my nvidia 7800GT card
[07:10] <ReL1K> but installing xgl breaks xrandr
[07:10] <blekos> hi, did anyone have problems with installing gimp
[07:10] <blekos> ?
[07:10] <ReL1K> and when using 2560 resolution on dual heads hoses compiz
[07:10] <ReL1K> blekos read topic
[07:10] <dmulligan> I have never installed ubuntu on this machine but now I would like to.
[07:11] <blekos> hahaha
[07:11] <blekos> sorryyyyyyyyyyyyy
[07:11] <DanaG> How the heck do you make things guest-readable?
[07:11] <DanaG> That's a major bug -- it doesn't work!
[07:11] <ReL1K> fixed gimp by dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp_2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb and apt-get -f install
[07:11] <dmulligan> I am looking for help debugging the problem so that maybe the LiveCD can be fixed before release.
[07:11] <bazhang> ReL1K: that should be the topic!
[07:12] <bazhang> !nvidia
[07:12] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:12] <dmulligan> I am not looking for help installing the nvidia driver.  I am looking for help making the LiveCD boot
[07:12] <dmulligan> In normal mode.
[07:12] <ReL1K> and i would recommend not using binary drivers
[07:13] <ReL1K> major security issues with them
[07:13] <ReL1K> remote buffer overflows, full root compromise etc.
[07:13] <DanaG> Oh, I finally got it.
[07:13] <DanaG> Security=share
[07:15] <DanaG> That's odd: Samsung ML-1210 on host shows up as HP Laserjet 4550 or something on guest.
[07:16] <dmulligan> Am I in the wrong place for my questions/problem?  Is there a better channel?
[07:18] <bazhang> Anyone having problems with javascript enabled and Wordpress autosave?
[07:20] <dmulligan> Was it something I said?
[07:21] <kRush> hey, I have some trouble booting in textmode at higher resolutions (vga=791,794,795 tested). I get no monitor output until gdm starts and when shutting down the screen is horribly distorted. anyone else seeing this, known bug?
[07:24] <ReL1K> anyone got dual head working on intel gm965 + compiz?
[07:24] <ReL1K> in xgl
[07:24] <Reaby> DanaG, Dr_willis: yep, problem was with fstab and windows has to be rebooted "clearly" not from crash or volumes doesn't mount.
[07:26] <DanaG> I still think it should mount RO, and give a message.
[07:26] <DanaG> Not mounting at all is just impolite behavior.
[07:27] <Reaby> true
[07:27] <Reaby> or it could give more informative error message
[07:28] <pl0pix> -t
[07:28] <ReL1K> fuck xrandr doesn't support xgl :P
[07:28] <savvas> mind ur language
[07:28] <musikgoat> nice gimp is broken... should i just wait for a fix or fix it manually?
[07:28] <erichj> xrandr is a dirty word now?
[07:29] <savvas> the reason they don't ban people from these channels is that they at least have the common sense to either behave or censor themselves
[07:29] <bazhang> musikgoat: fixed gimp by dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp_2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb and apt-get -f install
[07:29] <ReL1K> its IRC dude
[07:29] <musikgoat> thanks bazhang
[07:29] <ReL1K> hate to tell you
[07:29] <savvas> !language | ReL1K
[07:29] <ubotu> ReL1K: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:30] <ReL1K> swearing...gasp...and ... other things might happen here
[07:30] <savvas> it's ubuntu, ReL1K, hate to tell you :)
[07:30] <Pici> !coc | ReL1K
[07:30] <ubotu> ReL1K: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[07:30] <ReL1K> are you 13?
[07:30] <savvas> maybe
[07:30] <savvas> how would you know?
[07:30] <bazhang> musikgoat: no problem, thank ReL1K
[07:30] <Pici> !guidelines | ReL1K
[07:30] <ubotu> ReL1K: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:30] <Pici> ReL1K: Please read those linsk ReL1K.
[07:31] <ReL1K> ill just stop talking in here, didn't realize it was a family friendly IRC chat room here
[07:31] <stdin> all *buntu* rooms are
[07:31] <bazhang> yup
[07:31] <erichj> ReL1K, i called someone a tart once and all heck broke loose.
[07:31] <bazhang> well maybe except offtopic hehe
[07:31] <erichj> that was a fun day
[07:32] <savvas> lol, sorry for ranting man, but there are children < 13 that join these channels, you can't go spread english words of.. love :p
[07:32] <ReL1K> not a big deal, forget its like that and spit it off without thinking
[07:33] <savvas> try irssi and trigger.pl ;)
[07:33] <ReL1K> np, ill refrain
[07:35] <erichj> something is up with my ipod today. when i hit back to start a song over, the counter resets, but not the song
[07:36] <mluser-work> Anyone else having problems with gimp gimp-python and gimp-print packages on upgrade?
[07:36] <musikgoat> erichj: have you tried resettign it?
[07:36] <erichj> musikgoat, twice
[07:36] <musikgoat> mluser-work: yes
[07:37] <musikgoat> mluser-work: (12:29:12 PM) bazhang: musikgoat: fixed gimp by dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp_2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb and apt-get -f install
[07:37] <mluser-work> musikgoat: yikes, perhaps I'll wait a while before forcing that
[07:37] <musikgoat> ok
[07:40] <musikgoat> where is the dir of c header files that match my running kernel?
[07:42] <erichj> suse 10.3 GM looks pretty slick
[07:42] <musikgoat> ok,  so is it just me, or is /usr/src/linux/  supposed to be symlinked to the latest kernel headers?
[07:42] <Reaby> yep, as i know
[07:43] <musikgoat> how do i fix a bad symlink, delete and recreate?
[07:44] <Reaby> ye
[07:44] <bazhang> anyone having trouble with javascript and autosave feature in wordpress?
[07:45] <Reaby> bazhang: try /join #wordpress
[07:45] <bazhang> Reaby: thanks!
[07:46] <musikgoat> Reaby: question, i have linux-headers-2.6.22-12 and linux-headers-2.6.22-12-generic,  any idea how to know which to link to?
[07:46] <Reaby> link full source
[07:47] <Reaby> nope
[07:47] <Reaby> fast check on my own directory --> link headers
[07:47] <musikgoat> which headers?
[07:47] <Reaby> uname -r
[07:47] <Reaby> running kernel
[07:48] <musikgoat> kk, i'll go by that
[07:55] <ReL1K> woo just released 12.5 megs in updates :P
[07:59] <ReL1K> ok nautilis is broke now
[07:59] <ReL1K> in apt
[07:59] <ReL1K> urr dpkg
[07:59] <ReL1K> erm still gimp, nevermind
[08:00] <ReL1K> libgimp2.0
[08:00] <tanajir> Hello, I just burned a copy of Ubuntu 7.10 Beta and Im checking it now.... I have an HP Pavilion with Nvidia GeForce Go 7400, is it easy to install its driver? or i might have some problems?
[08:00] <TheRepacker> the only probs I've had have been the nvidia kind
[08:00] <tanajir> TheRepacker: exactly, thats what i am afraid of
[08:01] <stefgl> !info nvidia-glx-new gutsy
[08:01] <TheRepacker> make sure you don't install the 100.14.19 driver
[08:01] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.19+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.4 (gutsy), package size 4896 kB, installed size 14848 kB
[08:01] <savvas> are the eagle-usb drivers/modules added by default in gutsy?
[08:01] <stefgl> tanajir: nvidia-glx-new should support that, so restricted manager is your friend
[08:01] <TheRepacker> if you can install the 14.09 driver tou'll have no probs
[08:02] <tanajir> alright sir
[08:02] <TheRepacker> nvidia has said on thier support forum that there is a regressive bug in 14.11 and 14.19
[08:03] <tanajir> okay i found it in the restriced manager, but it is not enabled... so i just enable it and everything will work on smoothly?
[08:03] <stefgl> tanajir: after reboot
[08:03] <TheRepacker> cause lock ups  with multi-core cpus and series 7 cards
[08:03] <tanajir> okay thanks stefgl
[08:03] <tanajir> I have a new question and I need your help guys
[08:04] <bazhang> tanajir: what is it?
[08:04] <tanajir> on my old laptop, I have both Win XP and Ubuntu 7.04 installed. I want to remove Ubuntu and keep XP for my brother.... how can I do that without removing XP from the PC (without formatting). thank you
[08:05] <TheRepacker> tanajir, do you have a multi-core cpu?
[08:05] <bazhang> remove ubuntu? heavens no!
[08:05] <tanajir> TheRepacker: on the laptop im using right now yes
[08:05] <tanajir> bazhang: my brother doesn't know how to use it :)
[08:06] <stefgl> tanajir: Why are trying to do such bad things to your brother? be nice, and leave the ubuntu on the box :-)
[08:06] <bazhang> tanajir: I was just joshing...
[08:06] <bazhang> hahaha
[08:06] <tanajir> stefgl:  :P
[08:06] <n4nobit> anyone here get 7.10 running on a compaq presario?
[08:06] <bazhang> yes.
[08:06] <bazhang> which model?
[08:06] <TheRepacker> then don't use glx-new, it will load 14.18 that has the freeze/lockup bug, I'm using 9643 nvidia-glx no probs
[08:07] <tanajir> so any idea on how to remove ubuntu 7.04? and the boot thing so that it changes back to MS XP?
[08:07] <n4nobit> I was having a helluva time getting it going last night -- fails right after gnome starts up
[08:07] <Instabin|Work> Im using the nvidia-glx-new with no probs. on a dual-core with a geforce 6800gt
[08:08] <stefgl> TheRepacker: you're sure that these funny *-go cards are supported by the 96* series driver ?
[08:08] <arnath> where can i alter settings for compiz fusion?
[08:08] <TheRepacker> the prob is with multi-core and 7 series, nvidia knows about it check out the nvidia suppoort forum
[08:08] <Instabin|Work> tanajir: use a dos boot disk and type fdisk /mbr
[08:09] <bazhang> arnath: compizconfig settings manager
[08:09] <arnath> which is located where?
[08:09] <tanajir> Instabin|Work:  thank you
[08:09] <bazhang> you need to install it.
[08:09] <arnath> o
[08:10] <arnath> is there any chance of messing up the installation by doing it? ;)
[08:10] <Crozar> guys networking doesnt seem to work it says The folder content could not be displayed " Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: user-xwtoonn1m0". "
[08:10] <arnath> (i've been having massive trouble with my screens so far, so don't wanna mess up wot i have now)
[08:11] <TheRepacker> 96**, no prob, after you load the glx-new you wont be able to get the glx back because of the mods to the kernel, I've just gone through 3 days of hell trying to restore just the driver, ended up with complete re-install
[08:11] <bazhang> n4nobit: you still here?
[08:12] <tanajir> nvidia drivers are the worst thing in Linux.. :(
[08:12] <arnath> hmm, i've got an external usb drive mounted and im sharing it through samba, now if i try to run something from the usb drive from a windows computer, it goes really slow
[08:12] <arnath> any reason for this?
[08:13] <TheRepacker> try ati, you'll get back to lovin nvidia
[08:13] <stefgl> tanajir: wait until you meet the current ATi-Drivers... hehe
[08:13] <Crozar> when i host shared folders through ubuntu no body can access them it asks for user name and password by SMB whats that? i never said to the computer to make it secure and where is the security settings in Ubuntu 7.10?
[08:13] <tanajir> stefgl: TheRepacker: lol
[08:13] <Crozar> TheRepacker: i got ATI :(
[08:13] <Crozar> TheRepacker: its X1600 256mb
[08:13] <arnath> Crozar: you gotta add the user name to samba
[08:14] <Crozar> arnath: how is thaT?
[08:14] <Crozar> arnath: we're is samba settings
[08:14] <bazhang> n4nobit: are you using it as a liveCd, or installed?
[08:14] <arnath> sudo smbpasswd -L -a your_username
[08:14] <arnath> that in commandline
[08:14] <stefgl> !opera
[08:14] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[08:14] <arnath> it will prompt for a password
[08:14] <arnath> enter the same one you use for the linux account
[08:14] <n4nobit> bazhang: install
[08:14] <Crozar> arnath: :(* why command line i thought 7.10 had a deal that it be eye candy for the users
[08:14] <arnath> possibly :D
[08:15] <arnath> there might be a way to do it from gui, but i never tried
[08:15] <arnath> i like commandline :|
[08:15] <bazhang> n4nobit: have to chat here--I get a 505 error in pm;
[08:15] <Crozar> arnath: ok tell this sudo smbpasswd -L -a Crozar  means what?
[08:15] <tux_fl> gutsy dhcp assigsn 192.168..when my router is giving out 10.11....
[08:15] <arnath> it adds the user to the samba file
[08:15] <Crozar> arnath: it means when i go to my brothers computer its windows and i log in to ubuntu what should i type in user name and password
[08:15] <TheRepacker> in the M$ world I loved ATI, would never use nvidia then I got this M2NVP-VM board with built in 6150, added a 7300 card now have 3 screens running, just like the starship Enterprise
[08:15] <tanajir> can I have both windows Vista and Ubuntu 7.10 but with the Windows boot list?
[08:16] <arnath> hmm well, i tend to use the same usernames/passwords across my systems :p
[08:16] <n4nobit> bazhang: ok, that's weird I'm registered with the nickserv
[08:16] <Crozar> i dont understand
[08:16] <bazhang> n4nobit: how to do that?
[08:16] <stefgl> oh great... firefox has still some issues in gutsy....
[08:16] <stefgl> !opera
[08:16] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[08:16] <Crozar> arnath: :( i just want to put a user name and password like forexample crozar 123 so then anybody want to access file to type that or how to actually disable this securiyt
[08:16] <arnath> stefgl: what issues?
[08:17] <arnath> crozar: you can disable it i believe by adding "guest = yes" or something in the smb.conf file :p
[08:17] <arnath> but again, i do not know how to do it from gui
[08:17] <n4nobit> bazhang: it's a very strange boot up error I've used the tribe5 version before on a 10 year old scsi machine and there were no problems. Incidentally mandriva 2008 works fine on the presario.
[08:17] <ubotu> Mandriva bug 2008 in Core Packages "reloading the user config or system menu closes the menudrake window" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2008
[08:17] <Crozar> :(
[08:17] <musikgoat> Crozar: there is a gui conf editor
[08:18] <Crozar> arnath: no settings in ubuntu 7.10 to do this
[08:18] <bazhang> n4nobit: so this is IDE, then?
[08:18] <arnath> Crozar: i simply don't know, i use commandline for it
[08:18] <n4nobit> bazhang: I get an error about the reset switch being disabled and something else I don't recall. nothing else out of the ordinary. Yea, IDE.
[08:18] <happytiger>  my friend has a laptop (hp pavillion) which need kernel params "noapic" and "nolapic" set at boot in order to work. But when I add the param to /boot/grub/menu.lst they disappear/gets overwritten everytime there is a new kernel update (which happens frequently since its gutsy on there...). How do I add these to lines so they wont get blown on upgrades???
[08:18] <Crozar> whats the file location this beagle doesnt show exact locations of file and also deskbar , damn i wish i can tell them the missing most important parts of this things
[08:18] <stefgl> firefox keeps crashing with my profile... i click a link in chatzilla .... bang!
[08:19] <arnath> . /etc/samba/smb.conf i believe
[08:19] <Crozar> arnath: it says sudo smbpasswd -L -a your_username
[08:19] <n4nobit> bazhang: I could scope out the dmesg and /var/log/messages the next time I try a boot. Why don't I do that and if I get the same error I'll come back?
[08:19] <tanajir> stefgl: can i have both MS windows and Ubuntu but with the MS boot list?
[08:19] <bazhang> n4nobit: not sure how to help, it worked fine (though slow) on my old laptop--I'm guessing the 5000 is the newest one with the altec-lansing speakers in front?
[08:19] <Crozar> it means it says failed to modify password entery for user crozar arnath
[08:20] <puma>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp_2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[08:20] <puma> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:20] <Crozar> arnath: thanks for the locations
[08:20] <n4nobit> bazhang: this is a desktop sys with the pop out CD case/holder in front
[08:20] <bazhang> n4nobit: you sound like you have this under control--just needs a bit of tweaking. Cheers!
[08:21] <puma> what's wrong with gimp2.0?
[08:21] <arnath> anyone know why my usb drive is incredibly slow? :|
[08:21] <bazhang> puma: topic
[08:21] <arnath> any known issues?
[08:21] <puma>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp_2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[08:21] <puma> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:22] <n4nobit> ok, back to it...
[08:22] <musikgoat> puma gimp is broken
[08:23] <puma> RC2->RC3?
[08:24] <musikgoat> puma: fixed gimp by dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp_2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb and apt-get -f install
[08:24] <puma> seems in gimps package conflicts each other
[08:24] <puma> try it
[08:26] <puma> can not over write /usr/share/doc/libgimp2.0/README
[08:26] <musikgoat> sudo
[08:27] <puma> surely sudone it.
[08:27] <musikgoat> suprising.  i had no problems.  i did the dpkg command first
[08:27] <musikgoat> then after that completed, ran the -f install
[08:28] <happytiger> My gimp aint broken ... just did a dist-upgrade and then started gimp .. No problemos
[08:28] <puma> my .deb is amd64
[08:28] <happytiger> GIMP 2.4.0-rc3 runs fine
[08:29] <mase> whats the compiz shortcut to rotate cube?
[08:29] <puma> first apt-get install, comes with 2 README
[08:30] <happytiger> Alt+left and right arrow
[08:30] <puma> one README can not be overwrite
[08:30] <mase> happytiger, doesnt work
[08:30] <musikgoat> ctrl+alt+ left and right
[08:30] <mase> doesnt work either
[08:30] <happytiger> Yeah Ctrl+Alt true :-)
[08:30] <puma> why one README can not be overwritten?
[08:30] <bazhang> ctrl alt down
[08:30] <happytiger> hold down Ctrl+Alt and then mouse then?
[08:31] <mase> that used to work on beryl
[08:31] <musikgoat> yes, as well
[08:31] <mase> but not on compiz
[08:31] <happytiger> Works fine here
[08:31] <musikgoat> me too
[08:31] <mase> ctrl+alt left and right works
[08:31] <mase> but i want the cube
[08:31] <happytiger> Did you enable the rote cbe pulgin in ccms ?
[08:31] <amx109> i apt-get upgrade/dis-upgraded to gutsy from feisty - i cant get to gnome. apt wont finish the upgrade cos guidance-backend returns an error. is there a fix for this? a suggestion for a work around?
[08:32] <mase> i checked it on desktop effects
[08:32] <happytiger> Hmm lemme I just did it twice
[08:32] <happytiger> Ctrl-Alt + left or right arrow
[08:32] <Crozar> arnath: !!!! i did what you said now it says in windows you are not authorised to login
[08:33] <osmosis> will I be able to upgrade to gutsy final easily when it comes out, from gutsy beta ?
[08:33] <happytiger> Works fine just as in good old beryl
[08:33] <mase> how do i get to ccms?
[08:33] <musikgoat> osmosis: yes
[08:33] <happytiger> osmosis:  ... Sure
[08:33] <Crozar> i even cant see a log in network authoritincation before saying that eror lo
[08:33] <osmosis> musikgoat: happytiger:  just apt-get update / upgrade ?
[08:33] <puma> thks to musikgoat $...
[08:33] <musikgoat> exactly
[08:33] <happytiger> dist-upgrade
[08:33] <musikgoat> puma: yw
[08:34] <amx109> apt wont finish the install for guidance-backend - is there a workaround?
[08:34] <osmosis> happytiger:  since im already on gutsy, why would I do a dist-upgrade ?
[08:35] <puma> one more, why SCIM disappeared?
[08:35] <musikgoat> osmosis: you will get update popups, and it will recommend dist-upgrades
[08:35] <happytiger> Sorry me be sleppy
[08:35] <happytiger> :-)
[08:35] <musikgoat> when the next major update comes along
[08:36] <happytiger> time to reboot
[08:37] <puma> hello, each time boot I need alt+f2 SCIM -d?
[08:37] <puma> why?
[08:39] <Crozar> guys please somebody tell me how to remove Authentication for my Samba Network because my brother is trying to enter my shared folder that i made.
[08:39] <puma> when SCIM reappears, the net-manager icon hidden away
[08:39] <siriusnova> o my
[08:40] <musikgoat> Crozar: find in /etc/samba/smb.conf    guest and set it to YES
[08:40] <Crozar> it says guest = nobody
[08:40] <rulus> Hi, can anyone tell me what's the difference between in effect between System > Preference > Screen resolution and System > Administration > Screens & Graphics, and why we still need the first one? Setting up your screen resolution in two places seems very confusing to me..
[08:41] <blekos> has anybody managed to use mic with kopete?
[08:41] <Crozar> musikgoat: it says ;     guest = nobody so now it will be guest = yes ? and i must remove this right ;
[08:41] <musikgoat> let me check my config
[08:41] <Crozar> blekos: the cam doesnt work with kopete i think its a strange bug which gives no screen , but my cam works on Camorama
[08:42] <blekos> not cam, mic (microphone)
[08:42] <jMerliNz> HALP ME!
[08:42] <Crozar> blekos: no but is theyr an option?
[08:42] <blekos> dont know
[08:42] <Crozar> jMerliNz: what sort of help you want?
[08:43] <jMerliNz> lol well 7.10 is completely screwed up on my system
[08:43] <jMerliNz> too buggy, nothing is working right
[08:43] <jMerliNz> so i'm trying to burn 7.04 to a CD so i can install it
[08:43] <tretle> is the places menu still broken in ubuntu64bit or is it just me?
[08:43] <jMerliNz> and well..
[08:43] <jMerliNz> gutsy isn't playing nice with my dvd/cd-rw
[08:43] <Crozar> jMerliNz: have you updated everything? are you ne wto ubuntu? and what was the situation ? a full fresh install or was it an update from 7.04 to 7.10?
[08:43] <jMerliNz> won't show that it can write/burn
[08:44] <jMerliNz> Crozar: all is updated, i'm not new to ubuntu, it was a fresh OEM install because the normal install gave me an error when trying to start the OS
[08:44] <Crozar> fresh 7.10 install?
[08:44] <jMerliNz> yes.
[08:45] <musikgoat> Crozar: in my smb.conf   under the [share folder]  I have a line:  guest ok = Yes
[08:45] <Crozar> jMerliNz: my knowledge is poor with linux i can say its Hardware problem lo
[08:45] <jMerliNz> that's why it is less than 6 months old and has been used just recently to burn several gigabytes of data onto dvds?
[08:46] <jMerliNz> the windows i uninstalled to install 7.10 had it running perfectly
[08:46] <jMerliNz> how do you think i burned the CD? :)
[08:49] <Crozar> musikgoat: theyr is no share folder where guest is
[08:49] <musikgoat> add that to whatever share folder you want to have public access to
[08:49] <Crozar> musikgoat: i see it :))) its way down
[08:50] <Crozar> musikgoat: now by just making that yes means??? no more authentications?
[08:50] <musikgoat> for that particular folder, yes
[08:50] <Crozar> browseable it says under guest ok
[08:51] <Crozar> musikgoat: must i make broswable yes?
[08:51] <musikgoat> yes
[08:51] <Crozar> browseable
[08:52] <gnomefreak> rulus: the system>admin>screens and grphics is more to set up video card dual screens ect... screen res is only that you screen res
[08:52] <jMerliNz> it's a k3b problem
[08:52] <jMerliNz> kinfo shows that it can burn cd and dvd
[08:52] <jMerliNz> but k3b doesn't recognize that
[08:53] <jMerliNz> and k3b doesn't recognize the blank media
[08:53] <musikgoat> Crozar: don't forget to restart samba afterwards
[08:53] <Crozar> how?
[08:53] <Crozar> musikgoat: control alt backspace?
[08:53] <musikgoat> no
[08:53] <jMerliNz> that's X
[08:53] <Crozar> musikgoat: now iwth guest = yes what will windows tell me when i try login in to ubuntu ? a user name and password wat must i type in?
[08:54] <musikgoat>  /etc/init.d/samba restart
[08:54] <musikgoat> if windows is setup properly, it should try to connect with guest anyways
[08:54] <musikgoat> guest doesn't have any creds afaik
[08:55] <chrisbudden14> is anyone have a problem with the Expo plugin in gutsy, by way of it not working ?
[08:55] <winbond> i need a utility which can show cd/dvd info ....aka manufacturer etc
[08:55] <jussi01> Hmmm, anyone seen these errors before ? is it serious?
[08:55] <jussi01> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-jussi" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[08:55] <jussi01> Error: "/tmp/kde-jussi" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[08:55] <jussi01> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-jussi" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[08:55] <Crozar> thanks il try now
[08:55] <Crozar> thanks for helping musikgoat
[08:55] <musikgoat> k, gl, i'm out
[08:55] <winbond> is there a utility like that?
[08:56] <Pusur> If I install every update, then I will have a complete Gutsy system at the 18., right?
[08:57] <jMerliNz> now seriously, i need to burn this CD asap
[08:57] <rulus> Pusur: right
[08:57] <bazhang> this is so exciting
[08:57] <Pusur> Thanks, rulus
[08:59] <Dunas> Does anyone know if 7.10's current beta plays better with RTL8185 chipsets? Every other distro- including previous Ubuntu distros- seems to hate that chipset.
[09:00] <bazhang> Dunas: I believe that's an issue with the kernel, and not specifically Ubuntu;
[09:01] <Dunas> It seemed to be, although Ubuntu specifically gave me a harder time than MEPIS or PCLOS when trying to fix it.
[09:01] <winbond> Dunas, why dont u try pclinuxos
[09:02] <winbond> Dunas, i guess you tried it already
[09:02] <Dunas> I have PClinuxOS running right now, but to be honest I preferred Ubuntu's setup. And sadly, PCLOS doesn't seem to hold onto the wireless settings when I reboot.
[09:02] <winbond> Dunas, maybe try the new MS-Suse??
[09:05] <bazhang> winbond: hahaha MS-Suse. Good one.
[09:06] <Dunas> Uh... o-o
[09:06] <Dunas> Well, I'm still a relative newbie to Linux, so I'd rather stick to Ubuntu right now, as I'm most familiar with it.
[09:07] <mase> why the hell does 7.10 still use an old kernel?
[09:07] <winbond> old?
[09:08] <winbond> 2.6.22-12 is old?
[09:08] <CarlFK> where is the supported sound hardware list?  I have this on the MB:  Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller
[09:09] <CarlFK> I haven't tried it yet.  but the box is open and I'll be installing gutsy when it is released
[09:10] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all, is there anybody who has synaptics touchpad?
[09:11] <MetaMorfoziS> It has a bug in gutsy.
[09:11] <MetaMorfoziS> where can i report bugs?
[09:11] <MetaMorfoziS> !bugs
[09:11] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:11] <MetaMorfoziS> ah
[09:14] <osmosis> where can I download  gutsy beta server amd64
[09:15] <bazhang> osmosis: dvd or cd?
[09:16] <osmosis> bazhang: cd
[09:18] <bazhang> osmosis: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ubuntu-7.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso
[09:18] <osmosis> bazhang: thanks...didnt see it in the gutsy dir.
[09:19] <winbond> bazhang, i think im gonna change my nick to MS-Suse , it just sounds so good
[09:19] <bazhang> osmosis: no problem...
[09:19] <bazhang> winbond: hahahaha
[09:19] <rulus> the link is to the desktop cd, you need the server
[09:19] <rulus> osmosis: ^
[09:19] <Froek> can anyone tell me why i'd get my main screen working but the second screen showing just the standard X?
[09:19] <Froek> single vs dual head for xorg..
[09:20] <Froek> i can't drag windows over there
[09:20] <Froek> just the mouse
[09:20] <Froek> and my screen resolution only shows 1680x1050
[09:22] <wladston> guys, I've installed gusty, and then after trying to enable a second monitor, the system doesn't start anymore
[09:22] <Froek> wladston, i'm having a similar issue
[09:22] <Froek> what chipset you have
[09:22] <wladston> intel 945gm
[09:23] <Froek> hmm
[09:23] <wladston> you ?
[09:23] <Froek> ati m300
[09:23] <Froek> i can get second monitor showing up on login
[09:23] <Froek> but it wont login
[09:23] <Froek> but then i screw with xorg.conf, and i can login, but the right monitor only shows an X
[09:23] <wladston> look a detailed description of my case here : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/149030
[09:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149030 in ubuntu "System Broke after trying dual monitors on intel card" [Undecided,New]
[09:23] <decay> how can i add a directory that contains spaces to $PATH?
[09:24] <Froek> wladston, that screen selection is the "Screens and Graphics" app right/
[09:24] <wladston> yeah
[09:24] <Froek> yeah, i had that exact problem
[09:24] <wladston> a little bit different
[09:24] <wladston> but almost the same thing
[09:24] <Froek> yeah, i think it's the same thing I saw
[09:25] <wladston> I tried almost all the possible combinations
[09:25] <wladston> it will never get out of that screen
[09:25] <Froek> basically I started messing around with xorg.conf directly. that app didnt do a thing for me
[09:25] <Froek> i dont have dual head, but at least i can login now
[09:26] <wladston> I think this is a critical one ... lots of lappies got intel based cards ... it has to be fixed before it's out ... imagine ... after trying to setup a second monitor, the system won't turn on anymore ...
[09:27] <Froek> wladston, oh yeah.. i'm considering overwriting gutsy and going back to feisty
[09:27] <wladston> Froek: you upgraded on your "production" machine ?
[09:27] <Froek> :)
[09:27] <Froek> yes
[09:28] <wladston> :) I almost did that too :)
[09:28] <Froek> i'm starting to regret it!
[09:28] <Froek> i just want my freeking dual head, i dont care about the GL effects
[09:28] <wladston> but since I'm not using the lappie actively ... It's not quite the "production" machine, I can mess arround with it
[09:28] <wladston> :)
[09:28] <Froek> yeah, i use it for work
[09:28] <wladston> yeah, dual+linux is a dream
[09:29] <wladston> I'm so exided about getting it!!
[09:29] <Froek> i used to have it in feisty :s
[09:29] <wladston> I have to boot to windows when I want to use the other screen
[09:29] <wladston> well, there is no easy to use tool to get it done on feisty :)
[09:29] <Matir> xrandr :)
[09:29] <mluser> It appears that in addition to the gimp packages earlier, I'm now having problems with the cups upgrades.. anyon else?
[09:31] <TheRepacker> I have 3 screens running on 2 video card
[09:31] <wladston> TheRepacker: wow!!
[09:31] <TheRepacker> My computer space looks like the bridge of the Starship Enterprise
[09:31] <wladston> TheRepacker: and I only wanted two!!
[09:32] <wladston> :D
[09:32] <TheRepacker> I had to do a lot of editing to xorg
[09:32] <wladston> maybe once that USB monitors come out, I'll have 3 screens :)
[09:33] <frostburn> is there a bug where one logs out of a session then not be able to log back in (even with default settings) until a reboot?
[09:34] <pwuertz> hi, could someone please have a look at this bug please?
[09:34] <pwuertz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bonobo-activation/+bug/49594
[09:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 49594 in gnome-session "Bonobo-activation-server sometimes is not killed after session restart, leading to many unexpected problems" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:35] <pwuertz> nobody seems to care about that
[09:38] <Crozar> ok this made me :@
[09:38] <bazhang> what?
[09:38] <wladston> what ?
[09:38] <Crozar> i went through my samba folder smb.conf
[09:39] <Crozar> i want to make my network shared files to be viewed by anybody
[09:40] <Crozar> it looks like i have dmged the settings from its default , and now when im on my brothers Windows computer and try to connect i get this Error sound BoiNG you dont have authentication
[09:40] <wladston> Crozar: smb.conf file can be tricky to setup, even if you use te swat web tool
[09:40] <wladston> I took ages to get my shares here working
[09:40] <Crozar> wladston: i typed sudo gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:41] <wladston> and they still don't work the way I want!
[09:41] <Crozar> i just want to make the people in windows to take my files thats it
[09:41] <Crozar> or i want to connect to them but i cant :(
[09:41] <Crozar> wladston: help :(
[09:42] <wladston> the lack of an easy tool to configure samba is frustrating ....
[09:42] <wladston> Crozar: I won't be of too much help ... I got mine working by reading tons of guides on the internet and trying out
[09:43] <Crozar> send me your smb.conf
[09:43] <wladston> but since you want to make some simple stuff, I think it's pretty straightfoward .. have you searched the internet for a guide on how to configure the smb.conf ?
[09:44] <Crozar> i thought UbuntU 7.10 will have a utility for these kind of conf commands  so it makes the people who convert from other Operating Systems Happy N Comfort but not Stress and Hoplessness
[09:44] <wladston> my smb.conf involves authentication - and it was written by swat - so it's not really friendly to read
[09:44] <wladston> Crozar: yeah, that's what they're trying to do
[09:45] <wladston> I think they should have a tool to configure samba, too ... you could suggest that on launchpad, if it's not already suggested
[09:45] <Crozar> wladston i want an option just to ENABLE share = stripped off share no password needed no authentications  , and DISABLE BUTTON ( this port is closed i am STEALTH )
[09:46] <wladston> Crozar: please, also note that I'm a mere mortal just like you, I'm no wizard developer :)
[09:46] <yaser> Hi, y Matlab installs correctly but when i try to start it up, it displays de splash screen and then crashes with this message: MATLAB: xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed.
[09:46] <yaser> Cancelado (core dumped)
[09:46] <yaser> what shoueld i do
[09:46] <wladston> I'm here trying to get one of then pay attention to the bug I'm having
[09:47] <Crozar> wladston:  its ok =) i help others aswell sometimes
[09:47] <wladston> :)
[09:47] <Crozar> so ? you want to see my smb.conf file?
[09:48] <wladston> yeah, paste it somewhere (not here ;)
[09:48] <yaser> any one has heard of something like this?
[09:48] <wladston> yaser: nope :(
[09:48] <wladston> never used matlab
[09:48] <leh> hi
[09:49] <wladston> I didn't know it was available on ubuntu :)
[09:49] <bazhang> leh: hi
[09:49] <bazhang> haha
[09:49] <yaser> wladston, but xcb_xlib_unlock, i saw something similar with other programs but
[09:49] <yaser> wladston, i couldnt find a work around
[09:50] <leh> has anybody of you recently experience problems with ff on gutsy? i can't do "submits" anymore which is really strange :-)
[09:50] <Crozar> wladston: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39575/report/
[09:50] <wladston> yaser: have you instaled Koctave ?
[09:50] <leh> i'd love to report this bug, but can't login to launchpad *g*
[09:50] <yaser> wladston, Octave yes, but it is very far from Matlab capabilities
[09:52] <wladston> Crozar:    security = user
[09:53] <yaser> how do i report this Gutsy bug?, i could run the program without problems in Festy
[09:53] <wladston> change that line to security = share
[09:53] <Crozar> wladston: which line
[09:53] <wladston> and it should work
[09:53] <termitor> hello, some splashy users here?
[09:53] <wladston> yaser : where and how did you get matlab ? is there a deb package or something ?
[09:53] <Crozar> ok
[09:53] <Crozar> wladston: thats it?
[09:53] <Crozar> wladston: no other things?
[09:54] <wladston> I guess yes
[09:54] <Crozar> and what about guest ?
[09:54] <yaser> wladston, o got it by torrent, install is very straigttforward
[09:54] <Crozar> ;   guest account = nobody ???
[09:54] <Crozar> remove this ;
[09:54] <Crozar> and change nobody to somebody or lol =p
[09:54] <wladston> no, I think you can leave as is
[09:54] <yaser> wladston, there is no deb but if you follow the instructions it is very easy
[09:55] <wladston> humm
[09:55] <yaser> Crozar, did you try "smbpasswd -a username" ?
[09:55] <wladston> well, maybe you should ask help from the guy who packaged the torrent
[09:55] <yaser> Crozar, and leave the pass in blank
[09:55] <yaser> Crozar, ???
[09:55] <Crozar> il try
[09:56] <termitor> nobody use splashy ? :(
[09:56] <Crozar> doesnt work whats -a lo
[09:56] <Crozar> yaser: ur just sayign this or what :P
[09:56] <Crozar> maybe you meant smbpasswd -L -a
[09:56] <yaser> Crozar, i think thats what you should do
[09:57] <yaser> Crozar, i didnt use -L
[09:57] <Crozar> i tried the L i get something smb_panic
[09:58] <Crozar> here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39578/report/
[09:59] <termitor> try to use system-config-samba port of fedora
[09:59] <Apex> Anyone know how to keep nvidia-settings from resetting upon returning from sleep and screensaver in Gutsy while using Compiz-Fusion?
[09:59] <Crozar> i just want to enable file shareing
[10:00] <yaser> Crozar, look what i did
[10:00] <yaser> Crozar, 1-install Open-ssh server
[10:00] <Crozar> whats that?
[10:00] <termitor> Crozar: use system-config-samba , share be folder (not users)
[10:01] <yaser> Crozar, 2-    smbpasswd -a username
[10:01] <yaser> Crozar,  sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[10:02] <Crozar> thanks yaser
[10:02] <yaser> Crozar, when you finish steps 1 and 2, then you right click on the folder you want to share and thats all
[10:03] <Crozar> Jazak Allah khair
[10:09] <nekostar> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[10:09] <nekostar> anyone else having that error?
[10:10] <petej> Me
[10:10] <onechard> yep
[10:10] <nekostar> ok then its broke :>
[10:11] <nekostar> yeah the rest go no problem i see..
[10:13] <nekostar> i gotta say tho
[10:13] <nekostar> this beta for me has been ROCK solid
[10:13] <bazhang> that's for sure.
[10:13] <nekostar>  13:13:37 up 7 days,  9:30,  1 user,  load average: 1.51, 0.89, 0.58
[10:13] <petej> No problems here
[10:13] <nekostar> last reboot was kernel update
[10:13] <bazhang> whoa...
[10:13] <nekostar> shoot last couple even
[10:13] <bazhang> ahahha
[10:14] <pwnguin> thats a hell of a load average
[10:15] <cyclonut> thinking of doing the dist-upgrade today
[10:15] <cyclonut> any serious flaws I should be aware of?
[10:15] <bazhang> what video card?
[10:15] <pwnguin> cupsys is broken
[10:15] <cyclonut> i945gm
[10:15] <pwnguin> thats a pretty serious barrier to upgrading
[10:15] <nekostar> os[Linux 2.6.22-12-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )]  | up[7 days, 9 hours, 32 minutes]  | cpu[Genuine Intel(R) CPU            2160  @ 1.80GHz SMP (2 processors), 1800.000 MHz (7196.1 bogomips)]  | chipset[Intel Corporation 82946GZ/PL/GL Memory Controller Hub (rev 02)]  | video[Intel Corporation 82946GZ/GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) at 1600x1200 (32 bits)]  | opengl[Mesa DRI Intel(R) 946GZ
[10:15] <nekostar> 4.1.3002 x86/MMX/SSE2 powered by Tungsten Graphics, Inc with driver 1.4 Mesa 7.0.1]  | xchat[Version: 2.8.4]  | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[10:15] <IdleOne>  16:15:45 up 8 days, 22:14,  2 users,  load average: 1.10, 1.54, 1.63
[10:15] <bazhang> do it.
[10:15] <nekostar> crap hardware
[10:15] <bazhang> intel cards are the best bet
[10:16] <cyclonut> cool
[10:16] <nekostar> and that load is misleading as its downstepped to 1.2GHz
[10:16] <cyclonut> I dont print, so I think I'll be okay w/out cupsys
[10:16] <cyclonut> (if thats what I think it is)
[10:16] <onechard> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb     fixed the cups prob for me
[10:16] <pwnguin> cyclonut: just be prepared to break things and fix them
[10:16] <nekostar> tho it seems taht Xorg has some major mem leaks..
[10:17] <cyclonut> pwnguin: Aye, I started on feisty ~3 weeks before launch last time, so I figured Im about in line for this upgrde
[10:17] <nekostar> onechard i'd rather wait till they change the credits
[10:17] <cyclonut> aight, back in a bit
[10:17] <onechard> that works too :-)
[10:17] <Pusur> My friend just installed some new updates, and the x server just crashed completely. He gets "no screen found", and "screen found, but wrong configuration". What can he do to fix this?
[10:18] <nekostar> Pusur start by going to vesa driver
[10:19] <Pusur> mrbjoern: vesa driver?
[10:20] <TheRepacker> oh! oh! 124 updates!
[10:21] <bazhang> woot!
[10:22] <petej> Any one here unfortunate enough to have a lexmark z600?
[10:22] <Pusur> nekostar, he wonders what vesa driver si =P
[10:22] <bazhang> lexmark, ugh!
[10:23] <petej> No luck with lexmark on gutsy :(
[10:23] <nekostar> Pusur
[10:23] <nekostar> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:24] <Pusur> He says thanks =)
[10:25] <nekostar> Pusur np
[10:25] <nekostar> thats just a first step Pusur from there you look at logs and see why it failed
[10:25] <nekostar> but gets u in a comphy gui
[10:26] <panosru> why amarok is sooooooooooooooo sloooooooow ???
[10:26] <panosru> (ubuntu 64bit gutsy)
[10:30] <ReL1K> the latest cupd package is broke
[10:30] <yaser> why cant i run FIFA, where is the start menu
[10:30] <ReL1K> in update
[10:30] <ReL1K> gotta force install
[10:31] <ReL1K> cups even
[10:31] <ReL1K> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken Pipe)
[10:31] <ReL1K> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:32] <ReL1K> same things basically happening: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt'
[10:32] <petej> Several people have reported this
[10:32] <ReL1K> they've reported gimp being broke
[10:32] <panosru> no one knows anything about amarok i suppose right?
[10:32] <petej>  try udo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[10:32] <ReL1K> and reading scroll, didn't see onechard's
[10:33] <cyclonut> quick question before I go through w/ upgrade
[10:33] <cyclonut> what is the command to dist-downgrade?
[10:33] <panosru> cyclonut i thing you can not downgrade
[10:33] <ReL1K> thanks petej
[10:33] <panosru> think*
[10:33] <cyclonut> humm
[10:34] <vonHalenbach> did the installation of gutsy beta asked you for a missing package "dictionaries-common" ?
[10:34] <pwnguin> downgrading is not done in apt
[10:34] <vonHalenbach> it seems to be missed on the cd.
[10:36] <cyclonut> guess I'll have my install cd ready
[10:36] <knix> You cannot downgrade.
[10:37] <knix> It is unsupported
[10:37] <knix> a huge pita, and probably won't work
[10:37] <knix> reinstall or bust :P
[10:37] <petej> just backup your home directory (including hidden), that way if you reinstall fiesty you can restore quickly
[10:37] <nanonyme> cyclonut, why would you want to downgrade anyway?
[10:37] <knix> Well, even then you may have configuration files in /home that don't work in previous versions
[10:37] <cyclonut> nanonyme: was thinking emergency situation
[10:37] <nanonyme> heh
[10:38] <cyclonut> nanonyme: my computer is work-centric
[10:38] <knix> cyclonut: You don't run gutsy on a critical system.
[10:38] <nanonyme> ah
[10:38] <cyclonut> which means I shouldnt be upgrading in the first place
[10:38] <nanonyme> cyclonut, don't use beta then
[10:38] <knix> yea.
[10:38] <knix> Don't use gutsy.
[10:38] <cyclonut> I feel like walking the line
[10:38] <cyclonut> :-P
[10:38] <petej> yes but if you backed up /home in fiesty then you should be able to use it to restore fiesty
[10:38] <nanonyme> might wait for hardy if it's a critical system
[10:38] <Lilacor> my system is trying to install gimp... but I keep on getting this odd message ... gimp-python: Depends: gimp (= 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu5) but 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu4 is to be installed
[10:39] <Lilacor> how do I resolve this conflict?
[10:39] <cyclonut> I've got plenty of time to mull it over anyhow
[10:39] <cyclonut> download is going sloooow
[10:39] <nanonyme> it is? :o
[10:40] <petej> ive been getting excelent speed from gusty repos, thank you whoever is responsible!
[10:42] <cyclonut> downloading @ a measely 90kb.s
[10:42] <ylle> for graphical editing with root privileges I write what?
[10:43] <cyclonut> editing what?
[10:43] <gnomefreak> ylle: like editing files or what?
[10:44] <ylle> fstab
[10:44] <cyclonut> sudo nano
[10:44] <gnomefreak> ylle: kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[10:44] <BreezeWave> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[10:44] <cyclonut> or gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[10:44] <gnomefreak> cyclonut: you missed the graphical part
[10:44] <ylle> gksudo was in feisty...
[10:44] <gnomefreak> hes on kubuntu guys
[10:44] <cyclonut> forgot that one, nano is an impulse ;)
[10:44] <gnomefreak> ylle: use either
[10:45] <gnomefreak> ylle: they are all the same
[10:45] <ylle> isn't it gnomesudo now?
[10:45] <gnomefreak> gksudo == gksu
[10:45] <gnomefreak> those are gtk
[10:45] <gnomefreak> or qt it would be kdesu kate or kdesu kedit
[10:45] <gnomefreak> or whatever editor you choose
[10:46] <MTecknology> when I use Ctrl+Alt+Enter from within Gnome-RDP, it acts like it's going out of full screen, but it stays in my view so I can't work on anything else. If I don't have compiz enabled, it works like it's supposed to
[10:46] <gnomefreak> if nano vim emacs or such use sudo
[10:46] <salty-horse> is it possible that my "preffered applications" setting of the terminal was lost on upgrade to gutsy? can anyone else confirm this?
[10:47] <ylle> gnomefreak: in kde it is now kdesudo not kdesu
[10:47] <gnomefreak> ylle: either
[10:47] <ylle> so I was thinking if gnome also changed
[10:47] <gnomefreak> ylle: they should be symlinked as always
[10:48] <gnomefreak> ylle: kdesu works fine
[10:51] <ylle> I got this old hardrive written in fstab /media/hdb1 - it should use ntfs and I would like to recover my files from there, however /media/hdb1 is empty
[10:51] <ylle> do I need to install something to get the ntfs partition visible?
[10:52] <riotkittie> ylle: try sdb1
[10:52] <ylle> riotkittie: why? and how
[10:53] <stefg> ylle: if you just want to read it should be visible. see 'sudo fdisk -l' to get your device names
[10:53] <stefg> !uuid | ylle
[10:53] <ubotu> ylle: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  sudo blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[10:54] <ylle> stefg: no, installation created the entry in fstab for that old harddrive with ntfs partition - what I would like to know is if that's normal that despite fstab enty I can't see anything in /media/hdb1
[10:54] <riotkittie> ylle: i'm not positive on this, but something about libata[?]  causing all drives to be seen as sata. but again, i am not positive
[10:54] <riotkittie> and it could very well be the fumes from my canned air going to my head
[10:55] <ylle> sudo umount /media/hdb1/ gives: 'umount: /media/hdb1/: not mounted'
[10:55] <ylle> is it ok if now edit the fstab according to wiki if mount says the thing isn't really mounted?
[10:55] <ylle> *if I now
[10:56] <stefg> ylle: you might need a 'sudo modprobe piix' to load the pata module, if the kernel decided that it won't use libata for that drive
[10:57] <ylle> stefg: are you sure that libata has to be used for old 20GB IDE harddrive?
[10:57] <stefg> ylle: that only depends on the controller, not on the drive. read the factoid
[10:57] <ylle> sudo fdisk -l
[10:57] <ylle> oops
[10:57] <ylle> http://hashbin.com/10123.html
[10:58] <pwnguin> dear lord
[10:58] <pwnguin> never again shall i report obvious bugs
[10:58] <nosrednaekim> what?
[10:58] <panosru> does anyone knows how to use widgets on ubuntu?
[10:58] <nosrednaekim> widgets?
[10:58] <panosru> yes
[10:59] <pwnguin> 11 threads and 25 emails on a broken cupsys package
[10:59] <panosru> or gadgets like Vista
[10:59] <stefg> ylle: so the kernel sees that drive... so sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt and look what's in /mnt then
[10:59] <cyclonut> panosru: look for screenlets
[10:59] <panosru> cyclonut, thanks will check it
[10:59] <ylle> stefg: why do you think it didn't mount according to what is written in fstab '/media/hdb1/'
[11:00] <nosrednaekim> panosru: in linux widget means a totally different thing ;)
[11:00] <panosru> nosrednaekim, oh ok i didn't knew it :D i just wan't these little visual apps on desktop :D whatever linux world call them :P
[11:01] <riotkittie> desklets?
[11:01] <stefg> ylle: i haven't seen your fstab, so i don't think anything, i just try to find out if there's anything on that drive
[11:01] <riotkittie> there's adesklets and gdesklets
[11:01] <ylle> stefg: http://hashbin.com/10124.html
[11:01] <DigitalNinja> I just did an update on my gutsy box
[11:01] <nosrednaekim> panosru: gadgets, screenlets, plasmoids, lol... its ok ;)
[11:01] <DigitalNinja> something went wrong with gimp
[11:01] <DigitalNinja> It won't install
[11:01] <DigitalNinja> Now I'm stuck in this loop
[11:01] <panosru> :P
[11:02] <DigitalNinja> I can't get rid of gimp because other packages need it or parts of it or something like that
[11:02] <ylle> my fstab: http://hashbin.com/10125.html
[11:02] <stefg> ylle: that drive needs an chkdsk from windows
[11:02] <DigitalNinja> I was fine for weeks and now I run into a problem
[11:03] <DigitalNinja> I hope I don't have to reinstall
[11:03] <ylle> stefg: this is an harddrive from very old pc, that broke then motherboard died
[11:03] <stefg> ylle: or try a readonly mount: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[11:04] <ylle> stefg: same error http://hashbin.com/10128.html
[11:05] <ylle> stefg: I guess I have to boot into winxp then? (will it work inside the new pc?)
[11:05] <ylle> stefg: I'm only interested in accessing my files (copying them over)
[11:06] <riotkittie> if its a functional install, you should have no issues. it might nag you to activate but other than that, you should be ok
[11:06] <ylle> I guess it's worth trying
[11:06] <stefg> ylle: the filesystem needs to be checked, thre is no tool for that in linux , because ntfs is proprietary. after you ran chkdsk in windos you can mount in linux
[11:06] <riotkittie> alternately, do you have an xp disc? try running chkdsk from that
[11:06] <riotkittie> i think its part of the recovery console
[11:07] <ylle> riotkittie: not at the moment
[11:07] <riotkittie> doh.
[11:07] <AboSamoor> i'm using gusty-beta i got this error message when i tried to launch services-admin "The configuration could not be loaded" + "You are not allowed to access the system configuration."
[11:07] <ylle> riotkittie: but ubuntu install created boot option for winxp
[11:08] <riotkittie> ylle: ok try booting into it and see how it goes
[11:09] <pwnguin> AboSamoor: bring a terminal and type in "groups"
[11:09] <Almindor> hmm, is it normal to have "free space" 5 GB more than "accessible space" on a partition?
[11:09] <AboSamoor> pwnguin , yes i did :)
[11:10] <pwnguin> AboSamoor: which groups are you in?
[11:10] <nosrednaekim> Almindor: where are you seeing this?
[11:10] <m1ke> does ffmpeg has a gui frontend?
[11:10] <pwnguin> m1ke: mencoder...
[11:10] <AboSamoor> pwnguin , how i can know ? i got this output ramy@ramy-desktop:~$ groups
[11:10] <AboSamoor> ramy adm dialout fax cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev lpadmin powerdev admin fuse
[11:11] <Almindor> nosrednaekim, gnome-system-monitor
[11:11] <Almindor> nosrednaekim, well.. only about 4gb, but it's still too much for a 56gb partition IMHO
[11:11] <pwnguin> maybe mencoder's cli though =/
[11:11] <nosrednaekim> Almindor: is it a 60 gig disc?
[11:11] <Almindor> nosrednaekim, 80, 20 is windblows partition
[11:12] <pwnguin> AboSamoor: that seems right
[11:12] <nosrednaekim> oh.. hmm well I don't use gnome..so I can't check for you.
[11:12] <pwnguin> oh
[11:12] <pwnguin> AboSamoor: try running "gksudo services-admin"
[11:12] <Almindor> nosrednaekim, 31.5 "free" but 27.7 "accessible"
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> Almindor: maybe it doesn't count stuff in trash?
[11:13] <bazhang> cheers! see you later!
[11:13] <Almindor> nosrednaekim, I don't use trash :)
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> oh ;)
[11:13] <AboSamoor> pwnguin , nothing changed :(
[11:13] <Almindor> nosrednaekim, "df" seems to agree too (have to calculate it tho)
[11:13] <pwnguin> AboSamoor: what about "sudo ls"?
[11:14] <m1ke> pwnguin, mencoder when give me an error "Exiting... (error parsing command line)"
[11:14] <pwnguin> m1ke: i've never used mencoder, but everyone who encodes video swears by it =/
[11:14] <AboSamoor> pwnguin , what do u mean ? i can run that command easily
[11:15] <savvas> what are you trying to do with mencoder?
[11:15] <pwnguin> AboSamoor: it works then? try "sudo services-admin"
[11:16] <AboSamoor> pwnguin , nothing changed :(
[11:18] <pwnguin> AboSamoor: have you personalized PAM?
[11:18] <AboSamoor> in fact i don't know :(, but i think i read some messages about that in upgrading process from feisty to gusty
[11:19] <AboSamoor> pwnguin in fact i don't know :(, but i think i read some messages about that in upgrading process from feisty to gusty
[11:19] <pwnguin> AboSamoor: well, look at /etc/pam.d/common-auth. is there anything besides a rule for pam_unix?
[11:20] <ylle> any of the xp safe modes didn't solve the problem, however I hdb1 is mounted now that I changed the fstab enty:
[11:20] <ylle> UUID=D2C4B8B1C4B89965 /media/hdb1     ntfs    ro,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0       1
[11:21] <AboSamoor> pwnguin , there is only one line not commented  auth    required        pam_unix.so nullok_secure
[11:21] <ylle> btw, can ubuntu boot if remove that harddrive later?
[11:22] <ylle> (or do I have to also remove fstab entry?)
[11:22] <vixyfox> Hey everyone. I was trying to install 7.10 on my system, but when I put in the disk and it started, the disk showed loading, then when it went to load the desktop the screen went all black. Now it's black and the powerlight on my monitor is flashing. How do I get to see the install disk desktop?
[11:22] <pwnguin> ubuntu should still be able to boot if you remove non-essential drives
[11:22] <pwnguin> it'll complain about fstab having broken entries
[11:22] <Tatster> hi all.  I'm trying to get a new Ipod Nano working with Ubuntu (Feisty).  I have found a site http://thefunkcorner.blogspot.com/2007/10/ubuntu-ipod-nano.html that has some deb packaged files, but they are for Gutsy.  Should they still work OK?
[11:22] <martin_> hello everyone, what is the purpose of ubuntu+1 over normal ubuntu channel?
[11:22] <panosru> does anyone here knows how to make kopete to send custom emoticons to msn client?
[11:23] <riotkittie> because the normal ubuntu channel is for support of final versions
[11:23] <hetauma> cupsys is broken too ?
[11:23] <DShepherd> martin_, in here we talk about the 'not-yet' the 'soon-to-be', the 'lastest greatest' :-)
[11:23] <hetauma> martin_, +1 is for 7.10 wich is still beta
[11:24] <martin_> ahh, thanks
[11:24] <DShepherd> martin_, or what hetauma said :-)
[11:24] <riotkittie> vixyfox: boot with the nosplash option, and see where the kernel panics so we have something to go on.  alternately, use the alternate install CD
[11:25] <hetauma> btw when is there gonna be next LTS release?
[11:25] <ylle> and remove 'quiet'
[11:25] <vixyfox> Actually.... I hit F6 (Found on Forums) And it now displays.... why would that do that?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> hetauma: 8.04
[11:25] <hetauma> so it's the next release :D
[11:25] <gnomefreak> hetauma: next release == 7.10
[11:25] <riotkittie> forums ftw. i have no idea.
[11:26] <vixyfox> LOL Alright, just wondering
[11:26] <hetauma> gnomefreak, 14 days doesn't count as next :p
[11:26] <gnomefreak> hetauma: it does since its not released yet
[11:26] <hetauma> 7.10 is here is now is preset :D
[11:26] <savvas> don't get too excited :P
[11:27] <gnomefreak> hetauma: we have been known to postpone releases before
[11:27] <savvas> I hate to remind you what happened friday the 13th on feisty beta :)
[11:27] <stefg> gutsy still is a building site with a lot of basic functions not working properly yet
[11:27] <riotkittie> friday the thirteenth. hmm. i dont want to know, but i bet i'm glad i missed it
[11:27] <hetauma> didn't know that :(
[11:27] <vixyfox> How big does a root partition need to be?
[11:28] <savvas> riotkittie: bad non-bootable kernel image :P
[11:28] <riotkittie> vixyfox: are you creating a seperate partition for /home ?
[11:28] <savvas> that's why this time I have two kernel images, just to be sure
[11:28] <riotkittie> savvas: oh yes, i heard about that. <giggles>
[11:28] <vonHalenbach> vixyfox: depends. I have xubuntu on a 2 gig disk.
[11:29] <hetauma> btw any ideas on what is the ratio between 7.* users and 6.06 users? I mean do people stick to LTS ?
[11:29] <stefg> vixyfox: suggested scheme: 64 MB /boot, 5 -10 GB / (root) , swap (ram x 1,5) , rest /home or whatever you need room for
[11:29] <vixyfox> riotkittie: Well I'm not sure. I went into manual, because i already had 7.04 installed, and I wanted to overwrite it. I currently have the following setup. HDA1 = Windows XP HDA2 = 7.04 ubuntu HDA5 = swap
[11:29] <savvas> stefg: if you're referring to openoffice and the rest, they're release candidates, they'll be fixed soon enough
[11:29] <riotkittie> i have 6.06 on my laptop, and on this box as well.
[11:30] <savvas> why should boot be on its own partition?
[11:30] <savvas> more stable?
[11:30] <stefg> savvas: i refer to firefox crashing, framebuffers not working, CD-Drives causing the boot to hang and general slowness
[11:30] <riotkittie> i leave boot on root. woot.
[11:31] <riotkittie> vixyfox: i'd say no more less than 5gb but it depends on how much space you have
[11:31] <riotkittie> errr no less.
[11:31] <panosru> Hi i try to update here and i get the error: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[11:31] <savvas> stefg: ah ok, don't know that much :) mine's a breeze, just as it was before
[11:32] <savvas> panosru: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_amd64.deb && sudo apt-get -f install
[11:33] <hetauma> savvas, apart from that "wrokaround" cupsys will be fixed soon I guess right ?
[11:33] <b0lle> i cant get my wifi card in my pcmcia slot to work (pccardctl works tho) but no wireless extensions avalible and no network controller found in 'lspci' any idea?
[11:33] <panosru> thanks savvas
[11:33] <hetauma> or libcupsus2
[11:33] <martin_> anyone know if LEAP for wireless networking will be introduced in gutsy for sure?
[11:34] <savvas> panosru: you might get similar errors, use the same method
[11:34] <panosru> savvas ok ;)
[11:35] <bstock> anyone else notice a cups update problem with today's updates
[11:36] <nekostar> bstock yeah known bug - filed ^^
[11:36] <nekostar> you can force it but you might get errors later
[11:37] <bstock> if i just wait it'll be fixed right
[11:37] <bstock> just wait to update for a few days
[11:37] <nekostar> if you unclick just cupsys then the rest update just fine
[11:37] <bstock> yeah that's what i did
[11:37] <bstock> alright thx, just wanted to make sure it wasn't me
[11:38] <nekostar> np
[11:39] <wabiD> are there any talks of giver being added to ubuntu at some point
[11:39] <Matir> giver?
[11:39] <wabiD> http://idea.opensuse.org/content/ideas/easy-file-sharing
[11:39] <wabiD> its standard in opensuse now
[11:40] <savvas> wabiD: if you can find an rpm of it, you can use alien
[11:41] <wabiD> its useless unless everyone has it though
[11:42] <kyja> cups update failed to install
[11:42] <Matir> i wonder what the security implications are of giver... i assume it asks the recipient if they want to receive
[11:42] <wabiD> did you watch the video
[11:42] <wabiD> a message in the system tray pops up
[11:42] <Some_Person> When does Gutsy come out, and what are the differences between the beta and the final?
[11:43] <wabiD> you can send tomboy notes too
[11:43] <bstock> kyja: known issue, just un-check cupsys from the update and the rest will install
[11:43] <kyja> yups
[11:43] <wabiD> giver is just like the xo thinger in the 100dollar laotop
[11:43] <kyja> k wondered if I was the only one
[11:43] <bstock> Some_Person: see http://www.ubuntu.com for gutsy release date
[11:43] <MrKeuner> hi, I cannot update cupsys since it tries to write on /usr/share/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt which is also in libcupsys2. What can I do? should I do --force?
[11:43] <wabiD> except the 100$ laptop lets you have a mesh network for wireless
[11:43] <bstock> heh nope, just jumped in to ask the same thing about 20 min ago ;)
[11:43] <Some_Person> And the differences?
[11:44] <bstock> man, someone should address the cupsys issue in the title
[11:44] <wabiD> heres openSUSE 10.3 http://news.opensuse.org/?p=341
[11:44] <wabiD> its got pictures of giver
[11:44] <MS-Suse> if i specify a burning speed in growisofs is it going to overwrite the burners default burning speed for a given media? 4x instead of 2x
[11:44] <savvas> MrKeuner: uncheck it and check the rest in update-manager
[11:45] <savvas> MrKeuner: you could do --force-overwrite if you want to
[11:45] <MrKeuner> savvas: You say wait for next cupsys package release?
[11:45] <savvas> it's just a credits file after all
[11:45] <wabiD> kiwi looks awesome too
[11:45] <MrKeuner> savvas: I did not want to do that since may be it wants to write other things too but just reporting the first one?
[11:45] <savvas> MrKeuner: neah, if you do sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/... it will be fine
[11:46] <MrKeuner> savvas: ok thank you
[11:46] <wabiD> that would be cool to have a tool that lets me graphically and easily create a ubuntu distro, and let me burn it for friends
[11:47] <savvas> wabiD: like livecd-rootfs ? :p
[11:47] <wabiD> sure
[11:47] <wabiD> how customizable does it get
[11:47] <savvas> no idea
[11:48] <wabiD> can i tell it what i want panels to look like, desktop backgrounds, drivers etc
[11:48] <savvas> I think... you have to do that on your own pc
[11:48] <savvas> you could just give them vixta from www.vixta.org :P
[11:49] <darkzero> hey folks
[11:50] <d4rkmonkey> hi darkzero
[11:50] <darkzero> how the progress going along with gutsy so far?
[11:50] <d4rkmonkey> darkzero good, almost released?
good to hear and I hope they fix the dup desktop and documents folders on the place menu, plus add a download folder in the place menu
[11:52] <d4rkmonkey> darkzero well, I just deleted the dupe desktop folder, and I never had dupe documents folders, and you can always add your own download folder in the place menu.
[11:52] <savvas> all the dark fellas
[11:52] <savvas> :)
[11:53] <d4rkmonkey> savvas racist.
[11:53] <savvas> we have a number and an animal, we miss out a human :P
[11:53] <EvilDennisR> So I just upgraded from 7.4 to the 7.10 beta, and I'm having issues with my dual monitor setup. Before I upgraded it was working flawlessly. Now? Not so much.. Heres a copy of my old xorg.conf before the upgrade http://dennisr.net/xorg.conf - I'm having the issue where the 2nd monitor is not "another" monitor, but the same screen as the first.. Ideas/Comments/Suggestions ?
[11:53] <savvas> no offense d4rkmonkey
[11:53] <d4rkmonkey> lol
how do you do that in gutsy?
[11:53] <d4rkmonkey> darkzero same way you do it in feisty...
[11:53] <savvas> lol
[11:54] <savvas> you just remove the folder and restart
[11:54] <d4rkmonkey> I say racist all the time for no reason, a teacher was talking about how white keys were natural notes, and black keys were sharps/flats (on the piano) and I was just like, what the black keys aren't good enough to be natural?
[11:54] <savvas> haha
[11:54] <EvilDennisR> ha
[11:55] <kRush> does anybody know what "gnome-at-visual -s" and "xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update" in gnome session startup is all about, google gives no real info, no man pages either...?!
I don't know u can but what app or soft I need to use and I'm still new to ubuntu
[11:55] <wabiD> the new york times article about ubuntu, suggests automatix
[11:56] <savvas> 17:10:16< savvas> MTecknology: By default on Gutsy, xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update creates gtk bookmarks for Desktop and Documents, meaning that there are now duplicate items in the places menu. It should be smart enough to know that Desktop and Documents are treated specially and not create bookmarks for them.
[11:56] <savvas> kRush
[11:56] <darkzero> lol white and black key
[11:56] <d4rkmonkey> darkzero in nautilus, go bookmarks>add bookmark
[11:57] <d4rkmonkey> darkzero in the folder that you want to become a palce
[11:57] <kRush> savvas, I still don't get it. those folders are a huge mistake in the first place
[11:57] <savvas> kRush: put a veto against them :p
[11:58] <nightz> hi, how i check if my swap partition is being used in gutsy beta? because i opened gparted and it says its not active
[11:58] <Matir> kRush, which folders?
I see
thanks
[11:58] <kRush> Matir, ~/Music ~/Pictures etc
[11:58] <MTecknology> savvas, what??
[11:58] <d4rkmonkey> darkzero no problem, hope it helps
boy I feel dumb
[11:58] <d4rkmonkey> kRush whats wrong with that? easy way to keep it organized...
[11:58] <darkzero> lol
[11:59] <d4rkmonkey> darkzero no problem, I was worse off when I started using Ubuntu, I pretty much learn stuff by breaking stuff.
[11:59] <MTecknology> home time
[11:59] <kRush> d4rkmonkey, it's like saying the user is too much of a douche to get his files organized the way he wants
[11:59] <nightz> when i type mount i dont see my /dev/hda4 there, maybe its not using my swap partition?
breaking stuff, I didn't that in opensuse and fedora
[11:59] <Matir> kRush, yeah, I agree... I prefer to have my own structure
did I meant
[12:00] <d4rkmonkey> kRush if you think you have a better way of organizing, just delete the folders.
[12:00] <d4rkmonkey> kRush I personally made all those folders in Feisty, because thats how I organize my things
[12:00] <kRush> d4rkmonkey, will do. as soon as I know it doesn't break some other stuff
[12:01] <d4rkmonkey> kRush Why would it break other stuff? Oh no, empty folders were deleted!
[12:01] <aguitel> savvas: you use vixta?
[12:01] <kRush> d4rkmonkey, I don't know since there is no documentation and a startup script that recreates this stuff or at least the bookmarks
[12:01] <savvas> aguitel: no, I just read about it somewhere
[12:02] <aguitel> savvas: you try it?
[12:02] <savvas> it's the best knock-off i've ever seen as a screenshot
[12:02] <Matir> what screenshot?
[12:02] <darkzero> vista suck like a$$
[12:02] <savvas> aguitel: these days I might try it in a virtual machine
[12:02] <savvas> !language
[12:02] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:02] <aguitel> savvas: is live cd ?
[12:03] <d4rkmonkey> kRush the only time I've seen it recreate the stuff, was after updates to gnome for me, and I'm pretty sure it won't break anything, and if it does, just boot into recovery mode and recreate the folders from the terminal, or since you say theres a startup script, it'll recreate them anyways
[12:03] <savvas> aguitel: probably, it's based on fedora
[12:03] <darkzero> ,   my bad
[12:03] <aguitel> savvas: what is diferent from ubuntu -debian?
[12:03] <romulo> how i discover if swap partition is being used or not? i see my partition not mounted - the swap one
[12:03] <savvas> aguitel: this is far better :)
[12:03] <savvas> at least for me
[12:03] <darkzero> ubuntu came from debian
[12:04] <aguitel> savvas: why far better?
[12:04] <wabiD> always up to date, easy to use
[12:05] <wabiD> easily updated then
[12:05] <aguitel> savvas: i install in my laptop pclinuxos (pclos) and it work great
[12:05] <knix> aguitel: almost anything will work great
[12:06] <wabiD> debian doesn't release stable releases as often
[12:06] <aguitel> and what will happend with gutsy
[12:06] <aguitel> is better than feisty?
[12:07] <knix> it's newer
[12:07] <knix> It will eventually be tagged as -stable
[12:07] <aguitel> knix: what distros dodyou like?
[12:08] <knix> I haven't used a linux that wasn't debian/ubuntu isn years
[12:08] <aguitel> anything is better than windows
[12:09] <aguitel> knix: how many years do you use ubuntu?
[12:09] <EvilDennisR> Anyone have any suggestions about my dual screen brokenness?
[12:09] <wabiD> what big linux distros still exist as a base
[12:09] <wabiD> redhat/debian/slackware?
[12:09] <savvas> wabiD: suse
[12:09] <savvas> and.. gentoo
[12:09] <wabiD> gentoo thats it
[12:10] <knix> aguitel: I haven't used ubntu for long, maybe a year tops
[12:10] <wabiD> suse is from slackware
[12:10] <savvas> my 3rd favourite after debian is gentoo :)
[12:10] <knix> suse is from slackware ... ?
[12:10] <wabiD> The SUSE Linux distribution was originally a German translation of Slackware Linux.
[12:10] <knix> I think it counts as a base now.
[12:10] <knix> They're not longe rusing slackware pacakges
[12:10] <knix> or anything from them
[12:10] <wabiD> yea
[12:10] <wabiD> i still wouldnt call it a base
[12:10] <knix> Whereas things like Fedora and Ubuntu still rely heavily on their "base" distros
[12:11] <aguitel> i try last week opensuse in my laptop and it is worse than ubuntu and pclos
[12:11] <wabiD> yea
[12:11] <wabiD> but then again there are not a ton of distros from suse that are popular
[12:11] <wabiD> redhat has fedora, mandriva
[12:12] <wabiD> what demon spawn child has suse given use
[12:12] <wabiD> us rather
[12:12] <knix> none
[12:12] <knix> that I know of
[12:12] <wabiD> yellowdog is slackware right?
[12:12] <knix> redhat iirc
[12:12] <knix> But not much anymore
[12:13] <siriusx> oh gosh
[12:13] <siriusx> what should i use, i have 2 images, Ubuntu and openSUSE
[12:13] <siriusx> i like them both
[12:13] <siriusx> D:
[12:13] <wabiD> look what room you are in
[12:13] <siriusx> VMWare machines hehe
[12:13] <knix> Yea, yellowdog used to be RedHat
[12:13] <siriusx> that is
[12:13] <knix> It's not based on Fedora
[12:13] <wabiD> i think i would use fedora before opensuse
[12:13] <wabiD> as a runner up to ubuntu
[12:14] <savvas> wabiD: distrowatch.com :P
[12:14] <siriusx> meh not a fan of fedora, we have  few Red Hat boxen at school
[12:14] <wabiD> who cares what distrowatch says
[12:14] <wabiD> of course its popular, it just came out
[12:14] <savvas> it says what you're discussing here :)
[12:14] <siriusx> besides, most distros are about the same since they all use Gnome or KDE, in the end its the minor touches and that is where Ubuntu and OpenSUSE stand out with their configuration etc..
[12:14] <siriusx> :P
[12:14] <wabiD> i cant beliefe pclinux is still on the top of distrowatch
[12:15] <wabiD> they need a new name bad
[12:16] <wabiD> i also cant believe how well linux mint took off
[12:17] <wabiD> something like easyubuntu should come with ubuntu by default, it would obsolete linux mint
[12:17] <wabiD> a 1 click get everything restricted blah
[12:17] <savvas> wabiD: restricted fun
[12:18] <wabiD> icetea comes with fedoracore now hmm
[12:20] <savvas> huh?
[12:21] <wabiD> java replacement
[12:21] <wabiD> opensuse looks really different with gnome
[12:21] <wabiD> http://anniyan.wordpress.com/2006/07/10/novells-new-main-menu-slab-gnome-main-menu-062/
[12:25] <wabiD> any preference banshee or rythmbox
[12:27] <nosrednaekim> Amarok.
[12:27] <EvilDennisR> Where is xorg.conf now, since if I have /etc/X11/xorg.conf gdm just loads up the "setup your resolution etc.." and not gdm
[12:27] <nosrednaekim> or exaile
[12:27] <kRush> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gstreamer/+bug/73744 any ideas how to workouround this bug?
[12:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 73744 in gstreamer0.10 "rhythmbox is slow!" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[12:27] <hydrogen> so basically Amarok
[12:28] <wabiD> that is where xorg.conf is stored
[12:28] <hydrogen> or a cheap rip off of Amarok
[12:28] <wabiD> why not banshee
[12:28] <hydrogen> that isn't anywher enear as good
[12:28] <hydrogen> because banshee is horrible
[12:28] <hydrogen> it uses mono.. enough said
[12:29] <EvilDennisR> wabiD: Yes, I know its in /etc/X11/ .. I'm running into the issue where if I have an xorg.conf file then gdm won't start, but instead it loads up the crippled X session that only loads the "screen and graphics preferences" program
[12:29] <wabiD> then you did something to your xorg.conf file that it doesnt like
[12:29] <EvilDennisR> wabiD: But if I happen to rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf then gdm starts.. which is odd
[12:30] <wabiD> not odd at all
[12:30] <wabiD> its using a failsafe config
[12:30] <EvilDennisR> wabiD: xorg.conf is the same file I was using before, and it worked flawless
[12:30] <wabiD> something changed
[12:30] <EvilDennisR> wabiD: Which is why I'm in here asking questions ;)
[12:31] <EvilDennisR> Let me try and copy the xorg file the screen and graphics program made in /var/lib/displayconfig-gtk/locations to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if that helps my issue...
[12:31] <EvilDennisR> wabiD: and Xorg.0.log doesn't give me any useful information either =(
[12:31] <EvilDennisR> brb, leme try this
[12:35] <uga> oups, what's happenning to cupsys/libcupsys. The packages conflict with each other
[12:35] <delhage> yup
[12:35] <uga> they both try to extract /usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt
[12:36] <nosrednaekim> heh... someone is stealing credit...
[12:37] <nosrednaekim> isn't there something against that?
[12:37] <nosrednaekim> its probably Aple.
[12:37] <uga> =)
[12:40] <philip_> downloading new gimp! I hope it's fixed
[12:40] <MS-Suse> where can i find out how to read growisofs output?
[12:42] <panosru> hi, i try to install firefox32 but it requires ia32-libs-gtk but i can't inistall ia32-libs-gtk because it conflicts with ia32-libs but this is also required for ia32-libs-gtk, any suggestion?
[12:44] <Niriven> Hello, what kernel does the current beta use?
[12:44] <MS-Suse> panosru, how did u try to install firefox?
[12:44] <MS-Suse> Niriven, 22-12
[12:44] <panosru> MS-Suse, i downloaded the ia32-lib-firefox-amd64.deb
[12:45] <Niriven> MS-Suse: Will it be released with .23 if it comes out before release?
[12:45] <MS-Suse> Niriven, no idea
[12:45] <MS-Suse> Niriven, my guess would be no
[12:46] <EvilDennisR> wabiD: Hrrm.. that didn't work so well
[12:46] <MS-Suse> panosru, u use gutsy 64bit?
[12:46] <wabiD> didnt think it would
[12:46] <panosru> MS-Suse, yes
[12:47] <MS-Suse> panosru, have u tried to install firefox from the repos?
[12:48] <panosru> MS-Suse, but in my repos there is only the 64bit firefox i need the 32bit to install Java and flash plugins
[12:49] <MS-Suse> panosru, try swiftfox
[12:50] <panosru> MS-Suse, does swiftfox support all firefox extensions?
[12:51] <MS-Suse> panosru, swiftfox is modded firefox, and it can use 32bit codecs etc on 64bit os
[12:52] <EvilDennisR> wabiD: word.. Now I'm making some progress.. I was unaware that the ATI Radeon cards got their own driver - I was using the ATI driver before I upgraded, and while I was trying to get this to work..
[12:52] <panosru> MS-Suse, yes i understand this, although i hear that modded firefox browsers are not stable and also does not support all firefox plugins but anyway i will try it :D thanks
[12:53] <MS-Suse> panosru, i havent had any problems with it
[12:54] <MS-Suse> where can i find out how to read growisofs output?
[12:56] <panosru> MS-Suse, there is no swiftfox in my repos...
[12:57] <MS-Suse> panosru, yeah, u got to get it from swiftfox.com
[12:58] <panosru> oh ok
[12:58] <MS-Suse> panosru, i mean google swiftfox
[12:58] <panosru> oh ok
[12:59] <MS-Suse> panosru, how much ram u have in ur system?
[12:59] <panosru> MS-Suse, 2gb
[01:00] <MS-Suse> panosru, why do u use 64bit os?
[01:00] <webmaren> having a problem installing cupsys-1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[01:00] <webmaren> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39598/
[01:01] <panosru> MS-Suse, as i say before, yes :D
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> webmaren: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/149106
[01:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149106 in cupsys "package cupsys 1.3.2-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2" [High,Confirmed]
[01:03] <panosru> MS-Suse, oh sorry mate
[01:03] <Niriven> I take it flashplayer isnt supported on 64-bit ubuntu still? (i realize flashplayer is only offered in 32 bit, but, it can run in 64), my question is, does the 64-bit ubuntu installer offer flash?
[01:03] <panosru> MS-Suse, i ready: do u use 64bit os without the why lol
[01:03] <MrKeuner> hi, I get Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0". when I try to run googleearth. I have an ati card
[01:03] <MrKeuner> can I do something about that?
[01:03] <panosru> MS-Suse, well i prefer 64 bit :P
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> Niriven: no, it does not.
[01:04] <Niriven> nosrednaekim: Ok, figured as much, thanks :)
[01:04] <MS-Suse> panosru, there is no advantage and bunch of problems, u only have 2gigs, better to use 32bit os
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> Niriven: its pretty easy to set up though with nspluginwrapper
[01:05] <webmaren> ty nosrednaekim
[01:05] <webmaren> fare thee well
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> yeppers
[01:06] <panosru> MS-Suse, technology goes to 64bit and even that i will be in army in 4 weeks from today so i don't really care about this as when i return (after a year - or nine months, i will see) many things would be changed and improved
[01:08] <panosru> MS-Suse, why swiftfox has no color on progress bar? and no hover color on menu?
[01:11] <panosru> MS-Suse, i'm try to reboot, brb
[01:16] <midtown> Hello, I see Tribe 4 apparently made the shutdown splash screen smooth, but it still flashes to black first for me in both Tribe 5 and the Beta, where can I file this?
[01:20] <branstrom> Is there some way I can monitor what commands are being executed? I'm playing with nautilus-actions and it's not working so great, so I was thinking about some way to help me debug it
[01:20] <panosru> MS-Suse ok it works ;) but why swiftfox does not have colors in progress bar for example?
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> !gdb
[01:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <cyclonut> anyone have any luck using compiz config on the gutsy?
[01:21] <panosru> cyclonut, yes
[01:21] <branstrom> cyclonut: yup, working fine
[01:21] <panosru> cyclonut, what problem you have?
[01:21] <midtown> cyclonut, if you mean the settings manager, yeah it's fine for me