[12:03] <ompaul> unop, your missing the point
[12:04] <unop> ompaul,  you're not giving me much to work on in understanding why
[12:04] <phaidros> ompaul, yes would be great if you'd have an example !!
[12:04] <unop> yes, examples puleeeese
[12:04] <ompaul> go help in #ubuntu in a ubuntu centric way as it was phrased and I will find some
[12:05] <ompaul> then I will ping you both here
[12:05] <phaidros> ok. we can meet here then again :) thanks for diggin into, ompaul!
[12:05] <unop> ompaul,  so you dont have anything concrete then .. and you're waiting for something to crop up?
[12:06] <nalioth> unop: he has the same info as me, we don't keep this stuff on file, we just know that it's happened repeatedly
[12:07] <unop> nalioth,  ok, so these are bugs then? what has this got to do with unix in it's normal operations???
[12:07] <ompaul> unop, actually tell you what screw this for a game of soldiews
[12:07] <nalioth> unop: Ubuntu is not "unix in its normal operation", it's Ubuntu in its normal operation
[12:08] <nalioth> if you want unix, use slackware
[12:08] <phaidros> nalioth, thats cynical again ;)
[12:08] <ompaul> no use FreeBSD
[12:09] <unop> i do use freeBSD .. infact i sit on it right now
[12:09] <ompaul> my work has me using four different *nx versions
[12:09] <ompaul> but I will condence that into one
[12:10] <phaidros> so no examples for breaking things with root on *buntu ??
[12:10] <unop> ompaul,  4 unices. and yet i find it hard you cant convince me that downsides to enabling root on ubuntu exist apart from "#ubuntu" policy and "works for me"
[12:11] <ompaul> http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20070131.082448.b477d880.en.html
[12:11] <ompaul> unop, - the fact is this I gave up trying to run ubuntu as debian or freebsd a long time ago
[12:11] <ompaul> that is one person on my search
[12:11] <ompaul> and having this on file as the op says is not what we do
[12:12] <ompaul> we keep working solutions
[12:13] <ompaul> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=451478
[12:13] <ompaul> still loooking for the lamp issue
[12:18] <unop> ompaul,  both these examples are inconclusive and on random sites (is there nothing in ubuntu's database that is convincing?) .. in the first example, the guy edits the shadow file , well, hey guess what, you expect things like this to break if you do that (which is why visudo was written)..
[12:18] <phaidros> are these examples occuring regularly ?
[12:18] <ompaul> google and check it out people are making a mess of stuff
[12:18] <unop> the second guy doesnt seem to know what he is doing and could have done anything apart from issue "passwd root" properly .. i'm not buying these as bugs
[12:18] <ompaul> but my query is not right
[12:18] <unop> ompaul,  you are an op right?
[12:19] <ompaul> so they tell me
[12:19] <ompaul> it appears to be so
[12:19] <nalioth> looks can be deceiving
[12:20] <ompaul> that is true
[12:20] <nalioth> then again, unop should know better than to show off
[12:20] <unop> so you've been in these channels for a few years atleast -- you must have definitely come across severe and conclusive implications of enabling the root account .. thats what i am after really
[12:21] <unop> nalioth,  now i feel this is getting personal -- in no way am i showing off, i'm just getting to the bottom of this (with no apparent help from you)
[12:23] <phaidros> I have to second unop, this is more a rant here, than a helping out with facts betweeen experienced users / ops
[12:23] <ompaul> unop, and I have megs of logs how do you suggest I search them?
[12:24] <nalioth> actually that is a good idea
[12:24] <nalioth> !logs
[12:24] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs - See also !OpenWeek
[12:24] <unop> ompaul,  only if i can find something conclusive where user error has been ruled out and i can readily replicate the problem .. otherwise no
[12:24] <ompaul> phaidros, the other view is that the question is that four people are not helping that could be and that annoys me
[12:24] <nalioth> you guys can search #ubuntu logs there for the past years
[12:26] <phaidros> ompaul, I'm elping two users in private chats right now
[12:26] <phaidros> tsss
[12:26] <ompaul> well here is fun I am not
[12:26] <phaidros> nalioth, I am getting annoyed
[12:26] <phaidros> ompaul, nalioth sry, but you guys have been 0 (ZERO) help in a understandable question
[12:26] <phaidros> I'll go and help ppl now.
[12:27] <nalioth> phaidros: we are not devs, we are general help. we've both seen this problem, but unfortunately we don't catalogue every bobble on the radar
[12:27] <phaidros> if one of you might come up with a reasonable base for sorting facts on root problem with e.g. apache or mysql i'd be very glad to hear
[12:27] <nalioth> to know it exists is enough for us
[12:27] <unop> 30 searches later on launchpad and still nothing - http://www.google.com/search?num=100&complete=1&hl=en&q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flaunchpad.net+sudo+%22passwd+root%22&btnG=Search
[12:27] <ompaul> why lp
[12:27] <ompaul> it is not a bug
[12:28] <nalioth> no, Ubuntu was made that way.
[12:28] <ompaul> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/kubuntu-2006-05-11.html
[12:28] <phaidros> anyway, I'll go on with working, this is time waste. sry guys
[12:28] <ompaul> that is not an example
[12:28] <ompaul> that is one result I got
[12:28] <ompaul> site http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[12:29] <unop> ompaul,  ok what am i looking for here?
[12:29] <ompaul> you are not use that as search criteria
[12:29] <ompaul> or do this wait until we get someone who can find us an exact example
[12:30] <unop> why lp? because thats where the complaints first start appearing (or as so far i have noticed)
[12:30] <ompaul> ehh better to check lists
[12:30] <ompaul> lp is only where you get specs and the like
[12:30] <ompaul> lp is a plan to build and real bugs
[12:30] <ompaul> having a root password is not a bug - it is a user error
[12:31] <unop> ompaul,  thats not what that google page says -- it's gone into the bugs.launchpad.net
[12:31] <unop> ompaul,  thats what you say tho and i outrightly reject .. it is not an error, it's just a preference
[12:32] <nalioth> unop: it is the way Ubuntu is made.
[12:32] <ompaul> well neither of us calls it a bug and bugs go in lp
[12:32] <ompaul> so looking in lp is wrong
[12:33] <unop> nalioth, yes, ubuntu comes that way but, are people not allowed to change preferences now? is that it? is that what you are saying?
[12:34] <nalioth> it is not a preference in the default Ubuntu
[12:34] <nalioth> if you want a root account, use the custom install and have one
[12:35] <unop> i don't even find other linux users complain or laugh about the fact ubuntu breaks when enabling root (because that is what they'd do almost automatically)
[12:35] <nalioth> most linux users give sudo a try and continue using it
[12:36] <nalioth> if they do not, they are knowledgable and advanced enough to fix their own problems
[12:36] <unop> nalioth,  as I have done too -- without any custom install
[12:36] <nalioth> #ubuntu is for helping new users (users who have never used a computer or are just here from Windows(tm))
[12:37] <unop> nalioth,  and most windows users rest in the comfort of having their "Administrator" account enabled and ready to use when needed
[12:37] <unop> nalioth,  which is why the first question they as is "how do i enable superuser" .. and believe it or not, we tell them to use !sudo
[12:38] <nalioth> unop: most windows user have no clue what an account is
[12:39] <unop> nalioth,  thats not true -- a lot of power users know exactly what accounts are, file permissions , ACLs, process privileges, network security etc (they have to know or end up knowing about them, they use insecure systems)
[12:41] <ompaul> and one side of the sign is gold and the other silver
[12:43] <unop> anyway, this is drifting off-topic now .. the very reason you brougt me in here was to perhaps "educate" me about sudo on ubuntu -- but i'm unresolved and dont think i'll find an answer anytime soon -- do let me know when you guys find something concrete and replicable, i'm forever interested .. ciao :)
[12:44] <nalioth> unop: my point is: the problem exists.
[12:44] <nalioth> unfortunately i do not have every problem i've seen catalogued
[12:44] <unop> nalioth,  or so you claim and arent definite, thats my challenge
[12:45] <nalioth> unop: we've both seen it repeatedly in #ubuntu
[12:45] <ompaul> unop, I'll turn one up maybe not tonight but I will
[12:45] <nalioth> myself and ompaul
[12:45] <unop> nalioth,  but surely you'd know or vaguely remember what one of the problems is
[12:45] <unop> nalioth,  again, so you say and cannot readily show me
[12:45] <ompaul> unop, I can't tell you what is wrong with automatix - orhter than it brokes stuff
[12:46] <nalioth> i remember that all the users had enabled the root password
[12:46] <ompaul> I can tell you that it used to be the worst written software I ever read
[12:47] <ompaul> unop, when you have dealt with the outcome of other peoples lack of doing the standard thing (if you hang around that long)
[12:47] <unop> ompaul,  we arent discussing automatix here tho -- whether or not it works, doesnt work, breaks systems doesnt have anything to do with root
[12:47] <ompaul> it is similar
[12:47] <unop> i dont think so .. not one bit similar infact
[12:47] <nalioth> unop: automatix does things in a unix way, not an Ubuntu way.  and Ubuntu invarabily breaks.
[12:48] <unop> i'm not interested in automatix
[12:48] <ompaul> unop, as a paradigm it is comparible
[12:49] <unop> again, i beg to differ and request you put it aside .. i have no contest with regards to automatix
[12:49] <nalioth> unop: doing things the "unix way" or "the debian way" break Ubuntu
[12:51] <unop> nalioth,  as i have seen , indeed .. and it's one of the downsides to ubuntu (i personally believe) .. but again, it has little to do with root on ubuntu
[12:52] <nalioth> Ubuntu was not designed with an active root account in mind (by default) when you twist the design of something, do not expect it to work well
[12:53] <ompaul> to change the subject do you like big hondas
[12:53] <ompaul> I have wasted 2 hours in this channel
[12:54] <ompaul> make that one
[12:54] <unop> my argument from the start has been that _it does work well_ with no downsides, you say there are, i say where, you say somewhere but i have seen .. :(
[12:54] <ompaul> well why don't you quit arguing and put in the irc logs and read the 1300 or so entries with !root in them
[12:54] <ompaul> and see the pain
[12:54] <ompaul> each one being a day
[12:56] <ompaul> and you never said if you liked big hondas
[12:56] <unop> ompaul,  bahh, thats not the issue .. if you contend with me that NEW users fumble, please don't, i know what NEW users are like and _never ever ever_ suggest enabling root .. the _only reason_ i am here is to know the technical details of this preference, _that is all_
[12:57] <nalioth> it's in the logs
[12:57] <nalioth> many times
[12:57] <ompaul> read them
[12:57] <ompaul> have a nice night I am going to bed
[12:57] <ompaul> it is seconds away from midnight
[12:38] <Apollyon_> I have issues with firefox/mozilla and verysign. I am trying to make a payment, but verysign does not accept it. And if I do it with IE it accepts. So ... ???
[12:40] <nothlit> You should ask in #ubuntu, but anyways you need elaborate more on whats the issue
[12:40] <Apollyon_> I asked this question in #mozilla, #firefox, #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic But no answer
[12:40] <nothlit> Anyways, you can always run ie under wine
[12:41] <nothlit> i wouldn't see why it wouldn't work under FF unless it requires active x
[12:43] <Apollyon_> nothlit: The issue is: I fill a form, give all the infos and credit card number and then click in submit then verysing declines the deal. It happens with mozilla and firefox. But if I do it in IE it accepts!
[12:44] <nothlit> i'm sure nobody knows what you mean by verisign declining
[12:44] <Apollyon_> I don't have window$ in my machine though. I used to, but now no dual-boot at all
[12:45] <Apollyon_> nothlit: Verysign declining is verysign don't accept the payment deal.
[12:46] <nothlit> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[12:46] <nothlit> use that, otherwise be more explicit
[12:52] <Apollyon_> nothlit: What do you want to know more? I have been very explicit :-)
[12:53] <nothlit> just use ies4linux then...
[12:54] <Apollyon_> So, how to install that active x in firefox. Is it possible?
[01:49] <nothlit> yes it sort of is i think
[01:49] <nothlit> theres an emulation sort of thing, and also one that uses ie's
[02:21] <Apollyon_> nothlit: Could you point me there?
[03:13] <soundray> Hi novice
[03:13] <novice> hi
[03:13] <novice> can u plz guide me??
[03:13] <soundray> First of all, have you got any firefox plugins or extensions that you want to keep?
[03:14] <novice> forget abt dat....... i will do dat again......no  pro...
[03:14] <soundray> novice: okay. Have you got a terminal open?
[03:14] <novice> yup
[03:14] <soundray> 'ls /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_*' -- how many files?
[03:15] <novice> "no such file or directory"
[03:15] <soundray> How about 'ls /var/cache/apt/archives/*firefox*'
[03:16] <novice> next??
[03:16] <soundray> Any lines from that?
[03:16] <novice> it is just some arrow mark.....
[03:16] <novice> *showing
[03:16] <soundray> novice: Hit Ctrl-C, and don't enter the quotes :)
[03:17] <novice> sorry......
[03:17] <soundray> novice: that's fine. It's sometimes easier for me to show you where the command begins and ends with quotes.
[03:18] <soundray> novice: have you tried again without the quote?
[03:18] <novice> ya..... i'm getting some lines
[03:18] <novice> 4 to 5 lines
[03:18] <soundray> novice: give me one that looks like it's a recent 1.5 package of firefox
[03:19] <novice> /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_i386.deb
[03:19] <novice> /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_i386.deb
[03:19] <soundray> novice: okay
[03:20] <soundray> novice: remove the folder with the failed upgrade attempt: 'sudo rm -rf /usr/lib/firefox'
[03:20] <novice> done......
[03:20] <soundray> Now, do a 'sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_i386.deb'
[03:21] <soundray> novice: it'll probably complain about some error...
[03:21] <novice> no..... it didn't show any error
[03:22] <novice> it showed dat setting up firefox.....
[03:22] <novice> now asking for next command......
[03:22] <soundray> novice: it should have recreated the folder. Check with 'ls /var/lib/firefox'
[03:22] <novice> no such file or directory
[03:23] <soundray> Sorry, my bad
[03:23] <soundray> novice: it should have recreated the folder. Check with 'ls /usr/lib/firefox'
[03:23] <novice> yup........ done....
[03:24] <novice> now can i start my firefox...
[03:24] <soundray> novice: to get 2.0, check out this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[03:25] <soundray> Note it's better to keep 1.5 around
[03:25] <novice> Y  dude??
[03:26] <soundray> novice: that page will tell you
[03:26] <soundray> novice: you can use 2.0 for browsing, of course
[03:26] <novice> k.... i have some more doubts...... can i ask U??
[03:26] <soundray> Of course
[03:27] <novice> in order copy the folders present on the desktop i used nautilus command ...... instead can't i use any command line
[03:27] <novice> i tried with sudo cp -r.......
[03:28] <novice> but it didn't work
[03:28] <soundray> novice: I don't quite follow. You've got a folder on the desktop that you want to move elsewhere?
[03:29] <novice> i want to copy into root directory
[03:30] <novice> for example i downloaded firefox 2.0 folder on to my desktop then i copied dat folder into root directory
[03:30] <novice> can' t i use any command line
[03:31] <soundray> novice: there are two directories that are called root directories. One is /root (which is the root user's home), the other is '/', which holds everything else (like /home, /etc, /usr etc.)
[03:31] <soundray> novice: you shouldn't copy your stuff to either of those.
[03:32] <soundray> The best place to put your stuff would be your home directory. Type 'echo $HOME' to see what it's called.
[03:32] <novice> if i want to use then wat command should i use
[03:32] <novice> echo $HOME
[03:32] <soundray> 'mv Desktop/foldername $HOME'
[03:34] <novice> no dude ........ wat i mean is ........ i downloaded some apple icons...... now i want them to put in /usr/share/pixmaps..... frm desktop...
[03:34] <novice> wat command shld  i use to do dis function??
[03:34] <novice> i tried with sudo cp -r ...... but didn't work
[03:35] <novice> so i used nautilus.....
[03:36] <soundray> novice: if you do 'sudo cp file.xpm /usr/share/pixmaps/', that should work
[03:36] <novice> no dude it didn't work..... it showed missing destination files
[03:36] <soundray> Oh, you probably haven't changed to the directory where your stuff is located
[03:37] <novice> i did dat also....
[03:37] <soundray> novice: does 'ls /usr/share/pixmaps/' return lots of filenames?
[03:38] <novice> k........ wait.... i think there shld be gap b\w file name and destination...... rite??
[03:38] <novice> is dat a pro??
[03:38] <soundray> Yes, that would be essential ;)
[03:39] <novice> ya....... dat was the mistake....
[03:39] <novice> k.... thank u very much......
[03:40] <novice> can u temme briefly wat u did to restore my firefox?? i just wanna know... if u have time...??
[03:42] <soundray> No problem -- just give me a minute
[03:44] <soundray> Okay, back. Still here?
[03:45] <novice> can u temme briefly wat u did to restore my firefox
[03:45] <soundray> We looked in your package cache, /var/cache/apt/archive, for a recent firefox package
[03:45] <soundray> Then we installed that, bypassing the apt mechanism.
[03:46] <soundray> This restored your botched /usr/lib/firefox
[03:46] <soundray> dpkg is the program that apt or synaptic also calls in order to do actual installations.
[03:47] <soundray> dpkg is sometimes more powerful when you're problem-solving.
[03:47] <soundray> Think of synaptic as the Swiss army knife, and of dpkg as the scalpel ;)
[03:47] <novice> ya.... i have observed that ....... many times ppl use dpkg to solve the pro
[03:49] <novice> k..... thank u very much dude..... will u be in this server at this time daily??
[03:49] <soundray> It varies
[03:49] <soundray> I'm usually later in the day
[03:50] <soundray> But there are usually helpful people around. If you ask and don't get a good answer straight away, it's a good idea to ask again after an hour or so
[03:50] <novice> its k..... i will try to catch u daily ;)
[03:50] <soundray> because new people keep logging on
[03:51] <novice> ya ....... i have found many guys who help when i'm in trouble..
[03:51] <soundray> BTW, have you considered upgrading to Dapper?
[03:52] <novice> ya.... i will try it today night...
[03:52] <soundray> Good luck
[03:52] <novice> thanx....
[03:53] <Gunirus> novice: Good luck
[03:53] <novice> gunirus: thanx....


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[12:27] <somerville32> hehe
[12:27] <Stonekeeper> is that poor performance on linux or all oses?
[12:28] <tim_> not 100% sure, but i think all
[12:28] <tim_> sister has one.. seemed to notice hers was a bit shoddy when she brought her windows laptop round
[12:30] <Stonekeeper> does anyone know if firefox uses it's own fonts for the menu or is it done by xfce?
[12:30] <Stonekeeper> my firefox menu is looking around 16px o.O
[01:57] <Stonekeeper> nn all and thanks for all the fish. er... tips.
[02:00] <SmoothOp> whoot
[02:04] <somerville32> :)
[02:04] <somerville32> Hi SmoothOp :)
[02:04] <SmoothOp> sup
[02:04] <somerville32> n2m. Yourself?
[02:04] <SmoothOp> same
[02:04] <Flipit> hi guys.. i just installed xubuntu and it formatted my drive,, i think.. it said delete all.. anyway there was a document on windows that i really need back is there any way other than going to a data recovery place to get it back
[02:04] <SmoothOp> trying to install xubuntu on a 390x
[02:06] <somerville32> Flipit: Doh! You should have copied the file over before you erased everything.
[02:07] <SmoothOp> ah it doesnt matter
[02:08] <Flipit> yeah
[02:08] <Flipit> i know
[02:08] <Flipit> but is there any way?
[02:08] <SmoothOp> yeah
[02:08] <SmoothOp> take it to the fbi
[02:08] <Flipit> *prays
[02:08] <SmoothOp> what kind of document
[02:08] <Flipit> a word doc
[02:09] <Flipit> microsoft word
[02:09] <somerville32> Flipit: Chances are it is gone for good :(
[02:10] <SmoothOp> flipit, was it a pirated word doc
[02:10] <magic_ninja> is there anywhere to download the activex controls for transgaming other than p2p way
[02:10] <SmoothOp> or did you actually type it
[02:11] <magic_ninja> somerville32: i got a new cdrom drive :-)
[02:11] <magic_ninja> somerville32: its just a creative 52x but the prob was my drive, never should have *fixed* it while intoxicated
[02:11] <somerville32> :)
[02:11] <Flipit> no
[02:12] <Flipit> it was written on the laptop.
[02:12] <magic_ninja> traded some really old speakers for it
[02:12] <somerville32> Flipit: Do _really_ need it?
[02:13] <Flipit> yes
[02:13] <Flipit> i really really need it
[02:14] <SmoothOp> what was in the doc
[02:14] <Flipit> for work
[02:14] <SmoothOp> oh
[02:14] <somerville32> Flipit: Why would you erase your hard drive and not backup important files that you know you need?
[02:15] <magic_ninja> somerville32: because some people don't realize what they are doing
[02:15] <Flipit> exactly
[02:15] <Flipit> is there any way?
[02:16] <magic_ninja> some people think they don't need to back up anything then realize they need it, and yes its possible to do it but very difficult and i've never had to so i can't help you
[02:16] <Flipit> ok
[02:16] <Flipit> thanks anyway
[02:16] <Flipit> im taking it to a data recovery place
[02:16] <Flipit> do you think they willl be able to help me?
[02:17] <somerville32> Flipit: Yes but turn off your computer right now.
[02:17] <Flipit> ok
[02:17] <magic_ninja> Flipit: hey
[02:17] <Flipit> its off
[02:17] <Flipit> im on a diff one right npw
[02:17] <Flipit> now*
[02:17] <magic_ninja> Flipit: i'll look around and see if i can't find something, i was reading about it a while back
[02:17] <Flipit> thanks so much
[02:20] <magic_ninja> Flipit: what type of filesystem was on the hard drive
[02:20] <Flipit> windows
[02:20] <Flipit> millenium edition
[02:20] <Flipit> if thats a file system
[02:20] <magic_ninja> ok so fat32
[02:20] <Flipit> i guess
[02:21] <magic_ninja> thats the Operating System, its installed to a fat32 filesystem
[02:21] <Flipit> ok
[02:22] <magic_ninja> Flipit: the second question you have to ask yourself if you are willing to buy software to possibly do it for ya and if your willing to spend the time on it, due to the fact this can be a time consuming thing to do
[02:23] <Flipit> yes
[02:23] <Flipit> i am
[02:24] <magic_ninja> alright then
[02:24] <Flipit> what software would you recommend.. and if i do this would this be something that the data recovery place wouldnt be able to do
[02:25] <magic_ninja> well you should be able to do it yourself, I found a very nice howto for it and it helped me recover a couple partitions on my hdd once, but i hadn't formatted over them...so i'm seeing what else I can dig up for you
[02:25] <magic_ninja> the data recovery place can probably do it faster and easier, but if you want to save money you can do it yourself
[02:25] <Flipit> thats not an issue
[02:25] <Flipit> money isnt an issue
[02:25] <Flipit> i just need the file
[02:26] <magic_ninja> take it to a data recovery place, or spend 50-100 dollars on software that does it for you...I found a nice link, let me paste it
[02:26] <Flipit> brb
[02:28] <magic_ninja> http://www.stellarinfo.com/disk-recovery.htm
[02:29] <Flipit> ok
[02:29] <Flipit> thanks alot
[02:29] <Flipit> for all the help
[02:29] <magic_ninja> http://www.programurl.com/nucleus-fat-data-recovery.htm
[02:29] <magic_ninja> i think the second one looks better
[02:30] <magic_ninja> if the fact that it was written over by ext3 (i belive the xubuntu installer uses ext3) then come back and i'll dig a little deeper
[02:30] <Flipit> yeah
[02:32] <superkirbyartist> Any ideas for lightweight sound recorder?
[02:32] <magic_ninja> if time is an issue i reccomend trying out one of those software titles, it *should* do the trick
[02:33] <Flipit> ok
[02:33] <Flipit> willdo
[02:41] <magic_ninja> how do i figure out what version of the nvidia drivers i use
[02:41] <somerville32> magic_ninja: Maybe glxinfo? Not sure.
[02:43] <magic_ninja> man i've been having half-life 2 issues
[02:46] <magic_ninja> somerville32: na that didn't do it man
[02:48] <Flipit> hey ninja do you think the xubuntu instlaller writing over my files will be an issue.. because the sys recovery guy made it sound like it might be an issue over the phone.
[02:48] <magic_ninja> Flipit: of course it might
[02:49] <magic_ninja> your formatting over a fat32 filesystem with not another fat32 but an ext3, it becomes an issue then
[02:49] <magic_ninja> however, generally, without doing a low level format some data can be recovered
[02:49] <Flipit> alright
[02:50] <SmoothOp> is it a bad sign
[02:50] <SmoothOp> when the partitioner takes more than 15min
[02:50] <SmoothOp> to load
[02:54] <somerville32> lol
[02:54] <somerville32> Might be
[02:54] <somerville32> How much ram do you have?
[02:55] <SmoothOp> 128
[02:55] <SmoothOp> mb
[02:55] <SmoothOp> thats what the sticker says
[02:55] <SmoothOp> the laptop orginally came with 128
[02:55] <SmoothOp> er
[02:55] <SmoothOp> 64
[02:57] <SmoothOp> is that enough
[02:58] <Flipit> i thought if it was a live cd you needed at least 128
[02:58] <Flipit> i could be wrong
[03:29] <chip1035> hi gang
[03:29] <maxamillion> hello
[03:29] <somerville32> Hi :]
[03:30] <chip1035> I have a question about wireless
[03:30] <chip1035> I just setup Xubuntu on my Dell 8500 Laptop
[03:31] <chip1035> Everything is in order except for my wireless.  I see it in the System - Administration - Networking and it's checkd, but it doesn't work, no valid IP or anything.  If I boot into Windows (dual boot), it works fine.
[03:31] <maxamillion> !wifidocs
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wifidocs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <maxamillion> !wifi
[03:31] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:33] <chip1035> thanks, i'll give it a try
[03:33] <maxamillion> okies
[03:34] <somerville32> !wifidocs is <alias> wifi
[03:34] <ubotu> I'll remember that, somerville32
[03:34] <somerville32> !wifidocs
[03:34] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:34] <somerville32> :)
[03:34] <maxamillion> chip1035: if the wireless card is detected, you might just need to install something like wifi-radar
[03:34] <maxamillion> !wifi-radar
[03:34] <ubotu> wifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.7-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 208 kB
[03:36] <chip1035> Like Firestarter?
[03:37] <chip1035> I was reading something about Firestarter just now
[03:38] <maxamillion> chip1035: no, firestarter is a gui frontend to iptables for configuring a firewall, wifi-radar is a graphical utility to manage wireless network "profiles" which are basically just connection settings for different wireless networks
[03:39] <the> Hello, I have a post install question regarding Xubuntu...
[03:40] <chip1035> max, I just found it and installed it, wifi-radar...  I'm going to try it no
[03:40] <chip1035> now
[03:40] <maxamillion> chip1035: awesome
[03:40] <maxamillion> !ask | the
[03:40] <ubotu> the: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:40] <the> :-p fine, here goes:
[03:41] <the> So i used the alternate install cd to install xubuntu
[03:41] <the> everythign went fine
[03:41] <the> now, grub loads and I get the loading bar and it loads to 100%
[03:41] <somerville32> Yeah! :]
[03:41] <the> then when the GUI tries to load, I get nothing
[03:41] <somerville32> doh
[03:42] <the> yeah
[03:42] <somerville32> Hey, I had a dream yesterday that my nickname was "the" and I was having highlight nightmares because the word the is used so often.
[03:42] <maxamillion> the: ctrl+alt+f1 ... that should give you a command line login screen ... try that and if it does, then we can go from there
[03:42] <maxamillion> somerville32: that's an interesting thing to dream about
[03:43] <the> ctrl+alt+f1 givers nothing, I am running on a pretty thin system... PII 6GB, HDD, 256mb PC100, so I figured it was a long shot on this PC
[03:44] <the> It's the worst of several PCs I have sitting around, perhaps I should just install on something than was made this decade?
[03:44] <maxamillion> the: i've run linux on lesser hardware without any issue
[03:44] <the> That's what I figured
[03:45] <the> perhaps I should doublecheck all my hardware, it was running Win95 before, but that was good for well, nothing
[03:46] <maxamillion> the: yeah, xubuntu will be wonderfully refreshing ...
[03:54] <the> hmmmm, well it seems that I may have a faulty PS/2 connection in my mobo as only half the keyboard work...I am not sure how I missed this before, Maybe ill find a PS/2 to USB dongle sitting around someplace
[03:56] <somerville32> lol
[03:56] <somerville32> That would do it
[03:56] <somerville32> lol
[03:57] <the> Well, as the French say, "I surrender", for now... I'll try again in a few weeks after I get my next pc, nite all
[03:58] <maxamillion> hiya vidd_laptop
[03:58] <magic_ninja> somerville32: do you know how i can get my drivers updated to the .9 betas?
[03:58] <somerville32> magic_ninja, You could install from the nvidia website
[04:00] <magic_ninja> alright, i didn't know if there was a bianary or not
[04:00] <magic_ninja> right now its just a side idea, i'm trying to get this blasted hl2 to run...i can't eject the disk its busy...
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> *wave* maxamillion
[04:03] <magic_ninja> somerville32: your a dev, is fiesty stable
[04:03] <somerville32> magic_ninja, I'm running Feisty right now.
[04:04] <magic_ninja> thats cool
[04:04] <magic_ninja> you think upgrading to fiesty would be worth it and safe?
[04:04] <vidd_laptop> somerville32, where can i burn an iso?
[04:04] <somerville32> vidd_laptop: You don't need to.
[04:05] <somerville32> vidd_laptop: You can just change your sources.list and dist-upgrade
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> if i am going to do a clean install, i will
[04:05] <somerville32> vidd_laptop: Upgrading is NOT recommended.
[04:05] <somerville32> vidd_laptop: You can download a daily build
[04:05] <somerville32> But I don't have a link
[04:10] <chip1035> .
[04:13] <magic_ninja> i might just upgrade to fiest and see how good it is
[04:13] <magic_ninja> i wanna build a new comp, but i don't have the cash so i was thinking about just a new mobo, proc, ram and case
[04:14] <magic_ninja> for some reason this comp hardlocks when i put it at 1477 mhz so i loose 300 mhz of speed
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> magic_ninja, mobo, pro, ram, case.....that IS a new comp!
[04:20] <magic_ninja> vidd_laptop: lol yea pretty much, but i'll have to take the hdd, graphics and sound card out of my other comp
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> ya just need a hdd (unless you live cd it) most mobo come with sound and display!
[04:22] <magic_ninja> vidd_laptop: not interested in onboard at all, its easier to switch cards and not have onboard
[04:23] <magic_ninja> its nice to have a backup onboard audio but onboard video tends to have too many irq errors in my experience
[04:23] <vidd_laptop> you getting a linuxBIOS compatable card?
[04:23] <CITguy> can someone help me with my TV card, it doesn't seem to work
[04:23] <vidd_laptop> what issue you having?
[04:24] <magic_ninja> vidd_laptop: idk, i gotta wait until income tax time
[04:24] <CITguy> I have an NVIDIA GeForce FX5700 TV Tuner card with the NVIDIA driver installed, but I cannot get it to work with TV capture
[04:24] <vidd_laptop> what app you using?
[04:25] <CITguy> TVtime and all of the programs I've tried keep coming up with "Cannot open capture device /dev/video0"
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> you check out their site?
[04:25] <CITguy> TVtime?
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> yes
[04:26] <magic_ninja> CITguy: perhaps its permissions, try running it with sudo just to make sure
[04:26] <vidd_laptop> i seem to recall they cover that issue....
[04:27] <CITguy> nope, sudo didn't help
[04:27] <vidd_laptop> its been a while since i used it
[04:28] <CITguy> It almost seems like my card isn't being recognized
[04:29] <CITguy> is there a way to get the app to point to my vid card
[04:29] <vidd_laptop> one sec
[04:30] <magic_ninja> i just traded some old boston acoustic speakers for a 52x cdrom, full duplex NIC and a 56k modem lol
[04:30] <magic_ninja> can you use full-duplex with a regluar inet connection
[04:35] <vidd_laptop> CITguy, i googled your card, and im finding ALOT of bad press
[04:36] <vidd_laptop> have you tried to use one of the drivers tvtime recomends?
[04:36] <CITguy> I just ran "v4l-info" and got:
[04:36] <CITguy> "open /dev/video0: No such file or directory"
[04:36] <CITguy> so apparently the tv capture isn't set up
[04:37] <CITguy> vidd: i would, but i don't know which one to use
[04:37] <vidd_laptop> what driver do ou have installed for it?
[04:38] <vidd_laptop> http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/cards.html
[04:38] <CITguy> the only driver that I know that is installed for my graphics card is the one I downloaded straight from NVIDIA.com
[04:38] <vidd_laptop> that is the DISPLAY adapter
[04:39] <CITguy> the current bttv driver is installed with the kernel
[04:39] <vidd_laptop> you need a tv card driver too
[04:39] <CITguy> oh, ok
[04:39] <CITguy> so how would I install that?
[04:40] <vidd_laptop> you should find bttv in synaptic
[04:41] <vidd_laptop> you may need to enable universe and multi-verse
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> anyone know how to set it up so gxine auto loads and plays when a dvd is inserted?
[04:43] <CITguy> I'll be back I'm going to try installing the tv capture driver.
[04:44] <magic_ninja> hey vidd_laptop you know anything about wifi networks
[04:44] <vidd_laptop> a little
[04:45] <magic_ninja> someone in #ubuntu's having trouble with a wifi network config 802.11g 54mbps with linksys and they got me stumped, but i'm trying ot help the guy out because everyone ignored him
[04:46] <vidd_laptop> invite him to #xubuntu-offtopic
[04:48] <magic_ninja> nm he just quit ohh well
[04:48] <magic_ninja> ohh well
[04:48] <magic_ninja> now to help this guy recover his 120 gigs of music
[05:32] <magic_ninja> how you temporarily disable magicdev
[06:47] <atarinox> hi, can somebody help me with a problem. i've noticed that my wireless internet connection has gotten much slower on my xubuntu 6.10 laptop compared to my windows xp laptop. i've disabled ipv6 in firefox but it's still slow. any other ideas why it would suddenly be so slow?
[06:48] <atarinox>  hi, can somebody help me with a problem. i've noticed that my
[06:48] <atarinox>                   wireless internet connection has gotten much slower on my
[06:48] <atarinox>                   xubuntu 6.10 laptop compared to my windows xp laptop. i've
[06:48] <atarinox>                   disabled ipv6 in firefox but it's still slow. any other ideas
[06:48] <atarinox>                   why it would suddenly be so slow?
[06:48] <atarinox> woops, sorry
[06:51] <maxamillion> !wifi
[06:51] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:00] <atarinox> is there a way to downgrade a distro, if i wanted to revert back to dapper?
[07:00] <somerville32> Umm...
[07:01] <maxamillion> yes, i have heard of such wizardry but i don't recommend it ever ...
[07:06] <atarinox> ah alright
[07:54] <Shaezsche> is there a trick to getting wpa working with wifi radar??
[07:54] <Shaezsche> i cant get an ip address
[07:56] <somerville32> Have you referred to the wifi docs?
[07:57] <Shaezsche> i can get network manager to work
[07:57] <Shaezsche> what wifi docs
[07:58] <Shaezsche> also, is there a xfce music player that has a browsing feature similiar to amarok?
[07:58] <Shaezsche> i.e. shows my library
[08:03] <somerville32> Shaezsche, You can use any player you like :]
[08:03] <somerville32> There was a discussion on the mailing list a few weeks ago
[08:03] <Shaezsche> yea but amarok takes 30 seconds to load in xfce
[08:03] <somerville32> And it listed a few good ones
[08:03] <Shaezsche> it listed?
[08:03] <somerville32> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/
[08:04] <Shaezsche> what do i put in the wpa driver box with wifi radar if im using intel 2915
[08:07] <somerville32> !wifi | Shaezsche
[08:07] <ubotu> Shaezsche: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:11] <Shaezsche> how can i monitor my clock freq and temps in xubuntu?
[08:11] <Shaezsche> with ubuntu i could just add it to the panel
[08:11] <somerville32> There is an applet
[08:11] <somerville32> :)
[08:11] <Shaezsche> yea but where?
[08:11] <Shaezsche> not in xubuntu
[11:50] <kaulich> I just installes xubuntu, but my WLAN Dlink DWL 520+ was not found after an alternate install, using the live cd it worked quite good, but there the installation died, what can I do to get the card enabled? The bad thing, in the moment I have nir internet access from this computer, the WLAN is the only way out.
[12:39] <Taram> I have skype problems...ich can hear but I can't speak
[12:40] <Taram> modprobe snd-pcm-oss yield:  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist line 27: ignoring bad line starting with 'rt61pci'
[05:44] <Commander-Crowe> hi
[05:59] <scotta316> Hi all. Anyone know why some of my panel applets would have disappeared?
[06:14] <scotta316> Anybody awake in here?
[06:16] <Commander-Crowe> nope
[06:23] <scotta316> I'm having a bit of trouble with oom-killer events, and panel applets disappearing.
[06:23] <scotta316> Apparently my computer was awake all night dealing with oom-killer.
[07:13] <Shaezsche> where does xubuntu hide the wpa_supplicant.conf file?
[07:15] <mats> isnt the file in /etc/ ?
[07:16] <Shaezsche> no
[07:16] <Shaezsche> in most distros it is....
[07:16] <mats> Shaezsche: sudo updatedb; locate wpa_supplicat
[07:17] <mats> hm.. strange
[07:17] <Shaezsche> mats how can i change powernowd's default governor profiles?
[07:18] <mats> no idea
[07:19] <Shaezsche> which would give me better battery life, fluxbox or xcfe?
[07:22] <mats> both of them are small and take few ressorces
[07:39] <yotux> How can I add a user to have access to the scanner in xubuntu
[07:50] <somerville32> IF yotux comes back
[07:50] <somerville32> You launch Applications > System > Users and Groups
[07:50] <somerville32> Click on the user, click properties
[07:50] <somerville32> Then click on the permissions tab
[07:50] <somerville32> and check off "Use scanners"
[07:50] <somerville32> then click ok
[07:51] <somerville32> :)
[07:51] <Commander-Crowe> any recommended torrent programms?
[07:53] <somerville32> !find torrent
[07:53] <ubotu> Found: bittorrent, ktorrent, bittorrent-gui, libtorrent7, libtorrent7-dev (and 3 others)
[08:05] <magic_ninja> is there a prog that will make an exact copy iso of a cd (like clonecd)
[08:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> magic_ninja: dd
[08:53] <magic_ninja> ty
[08:53] <magic_ninja> i was actually wondering about making an ISO of a copy-protected disk to install from like you can do with daemon tool's in windows
[09:54] <yotux> I have just installed xubuntu and it seems that users don;t have usb access rights
[09:59] <somerville32> yotux: How did you add the users?
[09:59] <yotux> it was the stock setup
[09:59] <yotux> The reason that i am pointing to usb is because I can not use my scanner either
[10:00] <yotux> if i go sudo xsane then I can have scanner access.
[10:00] <yotux> i have run lsusb and my devices appear
[10:01] <yotux> When attempting to add a printer it doesn't even show my lazer printer :(
[10:01] <yotux> I only have 1 user on my system.
[10:01] <somerville32> launch Applications > System > Users and Groups
[10:02] <somerville32> Click on the user, click properties
[10:02] <somerville32> Then click on the permissions tab
[10:03] <yotux> scanner is checked.  i don't see a usb option
[10:08] <yotux> ok i have fixed the printer
[10:09] <yotux> scanner seems to be working after you help somerville32
[10:10] <somerville32> Awesome! :)
[10:12] <yotux> Strange thought.  All I did was uncheck the box and then recheck the box
[10:13] <yotux> another thing that has been happening.  Xfce is losing control over the desktop
[10:14] <yotux> I have installed the nvidia drivers that may be a cause?
[10:14] <hyper_ch> yotux: how do you mean? Xfce losing control?
[10:14] <yotux> All of my icons on my desktop go away
[10:14] <hyper_ch> might be a bug
[10:15] <yotux> To fix it I have to goto Applications > Setting > Desktop Setting and re check allow xfce to manage the desktop
[10:19] <grazie> yotux: yes I have the same problem. I think it's a xfce bug.
[10:19] <yotux> ok
[10:19] <grazie> yotux: Is your system font size OK?
[10:19] <yotux> Appears to be ok
[10:20] <yotux> I have used Gnome and Kde in the past
[10:20] <grazie> yotux: I had a problem after installing nvidia driver
[10:20] <yotux> xfce is a little different.
[10:21] <yotux> When i go into CLI non x terminal the fonts have changed
[10:22] <yotux> non x CLI = alt ctrl F1
[10:22] <grazie> yotux: is that a question or statement?
[10:23] <yotux> statement sorry
[10:24] <yotux> System font is ??? for me.  Sorry I have played with linux for a few years but have fallen into the GUI trap.  i am now trying to learn how to use the CLI more
[10:25] <Shaezsche> will xcfe give better battery life than gnome and kde?
[10:26] <somerville32> Shaezsche, Hard to measure
[10:53] <daohodac> hello, I am installing a xubuntu on a dell old laptop. The install is OK. But I boot, I reach the splash screen and the login page. 2 secs later, the laptop goes standby.
[10:53] <daohodac> If I boot to console mode and root# startx, it is OK.
[10:53] <daohodac> any idea?
[10:54] <somerville32> Weird
[10:54] <somerville32> I heard a bug about this
[10:55] <somerville32> You need to disable acpi, I think
[10:55] <daohodac> isn't it...
[10:55] <daohodac> how?
[10:55] <somerville32> hmm?
[10:55] <somerville32> Ok
[10:55] <somerville32> !acpi
[10:55] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[10:55] <somerville32> hmm... not what I want
[10:55] <somerville32> One sec
[10:55] <somerville32> I'll get the doc for you :)
[10:56] <daohodac> great..
[10:56] <somerville32> !bootoptions | daohodac
[10:56] <ubotu> daohodac: For a list and explanation on some of the boot options, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[10:57] <daohodac> newby question; what is !bootoptions | daohodac?
[10:58] <ormiret> an instruction to ubotu to tell you about boot options
[10:59] <daohodac> thanks! you are saying that i append noacpi to the default  boot: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash  ?
[10:59] <somerville32> Yup! :)
[10:59] <somerville32> Reboot and tell me if it works
[10:59] <somerville32> If you find you can't boot
[10:59] <somerville32> (ie. you typoed)
[10:59] <somerville32> You can edit it from grub
[11:00] <somerville32> I think you just type the letter e
[11:14] <daohodac> i m back
[11:14] <daohodac> noacpi , no effect for me
[11:16] <somerville32> Hmm
[11:16] <daohodac> however, to edit the grub menu, i followed the instructions. but when i re reboot, the grub line does not contains noacpi... is it normal?
[11:16] <somerville32> No
[11:16] <daohodac> i do:
[11:16] <daohodac> when grub => esc
[11:17] <daohodac> go on the line
[11:17] <daohodac> e
[11:17] <daohodac> after quiet => o
[11:17] <daohodac> noacpi
[11:17] <daohodac> enter
[11:17] <daohodac> esc
[11:17] <daohodac> b to boot
[11:17] <daohodac> no save needed?
[11:18] <somerville32> That won't save it
[11:18] <daohodac> the noacpi has to be appended to the boot sequence or in the "kernel line"?
[11:18] <somerville32> When you edit it at the boot screen, it only applies to that boot
[11:18] <daohodac> I tried the vi qw too
[11:19] <daohodac> yes, that is what i red.
[11:19] <somerville32> IIRC, there are several different variations to try too
[11:19] <daohodac> so, the noacpi is not the solution...
[11:19] <daohodac> IIRC? what is it?
[11:20] <somerville32> If I Remember Correctly
[11:21] <daohodac> I'll try it after a night of reflexion, perhaps.
[11:22] <daohodac> another question, i am root and i do startx. It is not a good way to work.
[11:22] <somerville32> I agree.
[11:22] <somerville32> How can you login in as root anyhow?
[11:23] <daohodac> if I su - me and startx, i am not authorized. how to?
[11:23] <daohodac> when I boot in text mode, I am root by default
[11:25] <daohodac> when I am in xfce as root, I can't setup my system. it says: "the configuration could not be loaded, you are not allowed to access the system configuration. weird...
[11:50] <kalikiana> Is there a Scite user in here? I wonder if I could have a vertical line to see where 80 characters are.


[03:01] <TheClitCommander> yo
[03:05] <TheClitCommander> !ops
[03:30] <TheClitCommander> ;
[08:10] <Mikaela> Hi, is there a known issue or workaround about nm-applet claiming that networkmanager isn't running even when it is? I am using systemd.
[08:45] <Mikaela> I think I found the error and now Google is giving results that can be useful.
[09:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:19] <vitimiti> Hi
[14:26] <lordievader> Hey vitimiti, how are you?
[14:36] <vitimiti> lordievader, fine, thanks