[02:09] <free1> you know what is weird
[02:10] <free1> when prompted to select my remote control, it has the manufacturer listed
[02:10] <free1> but it appears it cannot interface with the card
[02:10] <free1> even though the drivers appear loaded
[02:10] <free1> Phillips chipset
[02:11] <free1> on a Chronos pcmicia card
[02:13] <free1> ya mean
[02:23] <mavric> wassup
[02:24] <mavric> downloading the mythbuntu iso now
[02:25] <MythbuntuGuest02> Anybody know why my channel names aren't getting fetched?
[02:25] <MythbuntuGuest02> information is there, just no names on most. For some reason HBO and Cspan show up fine
[02:25] <free1> guest02-- what tuner card are you using?
[02:26] <mavric> wintvgo
[02:29] <free1> oh, so... desktop
[02:29] <free1> ?
[02:29] <mavric> ya
[02:30] <free1> seems like haupauge is the way to go.
[02:31] <mavric> this will be my first attempt at mythtv
[02:31] <mavric> maybe its a myth haha
[02:32] <free1> true, true. ha
[02:33] <MythbuntuGuest02> whoops I got distracted, Hauppauge PVR-150
[02:34] <free1> 02-  wow, and I thought the haupage pvr-150 was problem free...
[02:35] <free1> ... I'm guessing that it's a channel feeder issue
[02:35] <free1> and not neccessarily that of mythtv
[02:36] <MythbuntuGuest02> aw man, that's no fun
[02:36] <free1> yeah, at least it's not mythtv
[02:37] <MythbuntuGuest02> I think I actually saw the same issue posted somewhere, but I can't remember what the answer was and find it again
[02:37] <MythbuntuGuest02> I had an old mythtv installation I hadn't used in months, figured I could use a fresh reinstall and that maybe it would work
[02:38] <MythbuntuGuest02> but looks like I've hit the same problem
[02:40] <MythbuntuGuest02> ooh maybe I found it again
[02:42] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest02, where do you get your channel data from?
[02:51] <free1> good question.
[02:51] <free1> some sources are notorious for taking down the electronic availability of their feeds
[02:51] <free1> as has happened in my neck of the woods
[03:02] <Toxicity999> Anyone else on trunk builds noting freezes? >.>
[03:02] <Toxicity999> just started after todays uploads
[03:02]  * Toxicity999 attempts to ssh the box
[03:02] <Toxicity999> Locked solid.
[03:03] <Toxicity999> Probably upstream anyway, trunk does that occasionally.
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest24> alright this the guy who was getting no channel names
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest24> turns out if I delete all the channel info and fetch from the source WITHOUT scanning I get the info
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest24> BUT
[03:13] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest24, where do you get your channel data from?
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest24> the info is 2 channels off
[03:14] <tgm4883_laptop> where do you live?
[03:14] <MythbuntuGuest24> Connecticut
[03:14] <MythbuntuGuest24> and schedulesdirect
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> interesting
[03:16] <MythbuntuGuest24> also using PVR-150 if that's relevant
[03:32] <rsriverrat_>  /msg nickserv link rsriverrat boozer70
[03:39] <superm1> foxbuntu___, ?
[05:01] <Mirage> has anyone done an upgrade to the latest release? I'm not seeing anything in the documentation  about it.
[05:02] <superm1> latest release of mythbuntu?
[05:02] <Mirage> yeah
[05:03] <Mirage> i don't want to just blindly do a dist-upgrade and wind up with the full gnome/kde, etc for an htpc
[05:03] <Mirage> granted it can all be stripped back off
[05:05] <superm1> what'd you start with?
[05:06] <Mirage> i'm running the previous release atm.  i've updated mythtv itself independently (following trunk)
[05:06] <superm1> well what od you mean previous
[05:07] <superm1> like alpha1 previous?
[05:07] <superm1> or like release candidate
[05:07] <Mirage> worse case i can just dump the db, backup all the .confs and do a fresh install..
[05:07] <Mirage> alpha
[05:10] <superm1> alpha...
[05:10] <superm1> which one
[05:10] <superm1> i'm asking so specifically to let you know which is the easier route
[05:11] <superm1> there was a ton of changes between some of the earlier ones
[05:11] <Mirage> i don't know for sure..i'd have to dig the disc. i already nuked the iso when i got the latest release
[05:11] <Mirage> mine has a different window manager, doesn't seem to include MCC, etc
[05:13] <free1> are phillips chipset ok to use?
[05:13] <superm1> yeah you're using one of the much earlier ones then
[05:13] <superm1> probably alpha 2 or 3
[05:13] <superm1> alpha4 would have been a pretty smooth upgrade, but i'll expect some complications with alpha3
[05:14] <Mirage> so apt-get dist-upgrade isn't an option and i'd probably just be better off to back up all the custom configs and db, install fresh, and import it all back in
[05:19] <Mirage> free1: for..?
[05:19] <superm1> Mirage, well
[05:20] <superm1> here's what i say you do
[05:20] <superm1> back up the db, the custom stuff and ~
[05:20] <free1> mirage: for mythtv
[05:20] <superm1> Mirage, and give it a shot
[05:20] <superm1> Mirage, the upgrade
[05:20] <free1> mirage- sorry I didn't know that was for me.
[05:20] <superm1> Mirage, after the upgrade finishes, make sure mythbuntu-desktop is installed
[05:20] <Mirage> free1: tuner chipset or which?
[05:20] <superm1> Mirage, and make sure that your log in session is the "Mythbuntu" session
[05:20] <free1> tuner/recoder chipset
[05:21] <superm1> Mirage, and if you have ubuntu-mythtv-frontend installed, remove it
[05:21] <superm1> Mirage, with any luck that should cover your cases
[05:21] <Mirage> superm1: np. after the holiday i'll just back it all up and do fresh.  should be easier than when i migrated from knoppmyth before
[05:22] <Mirage> free1: check http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware
[05:22] <superm1> Mirage, and moving from stable release to stable release with us should be sane
[05:22] <superm1> its just that we had so many big big development type changes during the alphas
[05:22] <superm1> that couldn't be represented nicely in packages
[05:23] <Mirage> yeah, mine's running openbox for the wdm
[05:24] <Mirage> not sure which alpha that was, but it's definitely an older one.
[05:24] <free1> mirage- thank you for that...
[05:25] <Mirage> Via the mythbuntu repositories will it be possible in later released to upgrade with apt, or will it be an option on the live cd?
[05:25] <free1> but these hardware run similar chipsets
[05:25] <superm1> Mirage, well the mythbuntu repositories aren't used in the final release
[05:25] <superm1> Mirage, everything is in the archive
[05:25] <superm1> except for one theme
[05:26] <Mirage> free1: as a general rule, hardware encoders are supported.  Software ones are a bit trickier and can be problematic
[05:26] <superm1> Mirage, you can upgrade using upgrade-manager to 8.04 when its ready
[05:26] <free1> mirage- right.  therein lies the damn thing
[05:26] <Mirage> any idea when 2.6.23 will be available?
[05:27] <superm1> Mirage, 2.6.23 won't be in ubuntu
[05:27] <superm1> Mirage, 2.6.22 for gutsy and 2.6.24 for hardy
[05:28] <Mirage> free1: i tried 2-3 different software driven boards with little, they all had odd problems. Scratchy audio, artifacting picture, audio for the channel continuing when not viewing the 'stream'..
[05:29] <free1> mirage- throw me a bone-- do you know of a tuner/recorder that definitely works with myth, no problems
[05:29] <superm1> free1, any of the hauppauge pvr-xxx tuners
[05:29] <superm1> frank23, they are really the way to go if you want guaranteed problem free
[05:29] <superm1> free1, that is
[05:29] <Mirage> hrm..may have to build it manually then.  supposedly the r8169 problems are fixed in 2.6.23
[05:30] <Mirage> my 500mce works great, and i haven't had any issues with my HDHomerun either if you want to go digital
[05:32] <free1> superm- but some hauppauge pvrxxx are know not to work
[05:32] <superm1> Mirage, r8169?
[05:32] <Mirage> get the cards, not the usb
[05:32] <superm1> free1, which ones?
[05:32] <Mirage> superm1: realtek 8169.
[05:32] <superm1> Mirage, why not just grab the new 8169 source and build that then?
[05:32] <superm1> rather than the whole new kernel
[05:33] <free1> superm1- VR1500/1600
[05:33] <superm1> free1, notice i only gave 3 x's :)
[05:33] <Mirage> didn't fix it..also using a compatible one from realtek didn't work either.  other people i've seen post on it have said the same, and that upgrading to .23 fixed it.
[05:34] <superm1> Mirage, well that's pretty unfortunate
[05:34] <free1> superm1- ;). so you're telling me that all wintv pvr pcmcia are a go??
[05:34] <superm1> free1, hehe
[05:35] <superm1> free1, okay here's some exact numbers that i know work well
[05:35] <superm1> 150,250,350,500
[05:35] <superm1> k :)
[05:35] <free1> superm1- you the boss
[05:36] <free1> not to look a gift horse in the mouth, by no means...
[05:36] <free1> superm1- are these digital or analog?
[05:36] <superm1> all analog
[05:36] <superm1> if you want digital, like Mirage said, hdhomerun
[05:36] <superm1> is the way to go
[05:36] <superm1> i've got one myself, and i love it
[05:36] <free1> sorry for the noob question
[05:36] <free1> is that a model, or a manufacturer?
[05:37] <Mirage> http://www.silicondust.com/
[05:37] <Mirage> I think I got mine for $169 and free shipping
[05:37] <free1> uhhh, no dice
[05:37] <free1> I'm looking at maximum bulk of a pcmcia
[05:38] <superm1> you mean size?
[05:38] <Mirage> what are you using for the box? mini-itx?
[05:38] <free1> yes
[05:38] <free1> I am a firm free-speech fundamentalish
[05:39] <Mirage> hdhomerun is external networked (100base)
[05:39] <superm1> well its external
[05:39] <superm1> so you can plug it anywhere in your network
[05:39] <free1> fundamentalist
[05:39] <free1> not free beer
[05:39] <free1> but that 169,
[05:39] <free1> dang
[05:39] <superm1> 2 tuners
[05:39] <free1> no pcmcia card that is also digital that works fine out there?
[05:40] <Mirage> and you can watch tv from it on any box connected to the network via VLC
[05:40] <superm1> free1, you mean PCI
[05:40]  * Mirage isn't familiar with any
[05:40] <superm1> or you actually talking pcmcia
[05:41] <free1> I'm talking the credit card sized one that fits in the laptop
[05:42] <superm1> oh that's quite a different story
[05:42] <free1> I see
[05:42] <superm1> i can't tell you any analog or digital pcmcia tuners that for sure will be working
[05:42] <superm1> at least none that i'm familiar with
[05:42] <superm1> the best way to determine if one you have in mind will work is to refer to www.linuxtv.org
[05:48] <Mirage> free1: are you planning to run front/backend on the same box? what processor will ytou be running?
[05:48] <free1> yes, celeron
[05:48] <free1> I'll be doing light recording
[05:48] <Mirage> speed?
[05:49] <Mirage> hopefully at least a 1.4 to be front/backend
[05:49] <free1> umm, good question... one sec
[05:50] <free1> I think so
[05:50] <free1> it's a toshiba  satellite l35
[05:50] <free1> I've got the front and back end installed and up
[05:51] <free1> the tuner card looked like it was golden
[05:51] <Mirage> so a laptop?
[05:51] <free1> then at the channal scan
[05:51] <free1> darkness
[05:51] <free1> yes. by all means- a laptop\
[05:52] <Mirage> oh, i thought you said it was a mini-itx box when i asked earlier.
[05:52] <free1> no. must be someone else
[05:52] <free1> laptop or bust
[05:57] <Mirage> i think i'm gonna have to say good luck on that then.  better to get an older desktop and set it up as a dedicated backend, then just used the live cd as a frontend
[05:57] <Mirage> on the laptop
[05:58] <superm1> or even do a frontend install on the laptop
[05:58] <superm1> that's the reason for the different options :)
[05:59] <Mirage> yeah, it's a pretty light install
[06:13] <free1> good luck to me.  I'm out
[06:50]  * Solar_ squatts down and poops on his laptop
[07:41] <Solar_> Im running out of ideas here..  Im using the ATi drivers on my Dell Latitude C610 Laptop..  Myth frontend runs just fine until I play a video and then I get the blue screen, sound works though..  so its playing the video sound only..  I changed the bit to 16 and that should have helped, but didn't..  I added the overlay to xorg.conf still no good
[07:48] <superm1> HD?
[07:51] <Solar_> Hiya superm1 not hd
[07:52] <superm1> Solarbaby, oh its you.  I need you to comment on that pvr-350 bug
[07:52] <superm1> Solarbaby, its been a long time trying to get it through
[07:52] <superm1> so i need someone who its worked for to comment on it still
[07:52] <superm1> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/158562/
[07:52] <Solarbaby> absolutely..  sorry I've not spoken up much lately
[07:53] <superm1> i've been missing too
[07:53] <superm1> i've got a lot going on
[07:53] <Solarbaby> superm1: I'd prolly start a new drug addiction if I were in your shoes
[07:55] <superm1> haha
[07:56] <superm1> well so about your current issue, fglrx or open source?
[07:57] <Solarbaby> superm1: what should I say..  I ran the patch and my Hauppauge 350 finally works!
[07:57] <superm1> Solarbaby, say that you used the package from the PPA and that it works yeah
[07:57] <Solarbaby> Thanks..  Im writing it now
[07:59] <Solarbaby> finally done..  Okay Im using opensource drivers..  Ati
[07:59] <superm1> can you use fglrx by chance?
[07:59] <Solarbaby> with the Ati driver I even get TV out working which is a must!  everything works great, cept when I play a video in mythtv
[07:59] <Solarbaby> I can try, but I wouldn't know how to get tv out working with that
[08:01] <superm1> you can get tv out with the open source driver?
[08:01] <superm1> what video card model is that?
[08:01] <Solarbaby> Im using the ati driver
[08:01] <Solarbaby> as far as I know its open source
[08:01] <Solarbaby> its the default driver
[08:02] <Solarbaby> tv out worked when I apt-get install ativideoout
[08:02] <Solarbaby> sorry atitvout
[08:02] <superm1> right what model video card though
[08:02] <superm1> do you know?
[08:02] <Solarbaby> then i rad atitvout -f t and it displayed through the svideo like it should
[08:03] <Solarbaby> im not really sure
[08:03] <Solarbaby> its a laptop
[08:03] <Solarbaby> Dell Latitude C610
[08:03] <superm1> well check out lspci
[08:03] <Solarbaby> ok
[08:03] <Solarbaby> thanks for the command, you know I never remember those
[08:04] <Solarbaby> It registers as a Ati Radeon Mobility M6 Ly
[08:05] <superm1> okay then you are stuck with the open source ones then
[08:05] <superm1> oh you are using tv out... that's right
[08:05] <superm1> can you change the screen the overlay shows up on?
[08:06] <Solarbaby> I can change resolution
[08:06] <Solarbaby> and I changed depth to 16
[08:06] <superm1> you should be able to change overlay too somehow
[08:06] <superm1> i dont know how to offhand for that card
[08:07] <Solarbaby> a whole installation ago I used the Radeon driver instead of the Ati, put the depth at 16 and video played..  couldn't duplicate that this time though
[08:07] <superm1> its likely the tv out doing it
[08:07] <superm1> because the overlay is on the wrong monitor
[08:07] <Solarbaby> course with the radeon driver I couldn't make tv out work
[08:09] <Solarbaby> I only have it setup to use 1 monitor
[08:09] <Solarbaby> when I turn on tv out, laptop screen goes blank
[08:10] <superm1> but before you turn on tv out, the laptop screen should show the picture fine right?
[08:10] <Solarbaby> anyways video files dont play on either the lcd screen or the tv
[08:10] <Solarbaby> nope..  never plays videos.. just gives blue screen.. but I can hear the video audio playing just fine
[08:11] <superm1> what resolution is the laptop running at?
[08:11] <Solarbaby> 1024x768@60
[08:13] <superm1> can you try lowering it?
[08:13] <superm1> to maybe 800x600 and see if it persists?
[08:14] <Solarbaby> when I lower it to 800x600 and load the mythtv frontend, it loads, i can't see any of the menu commands but they are all there.. so knowing that, I press enter until I get into play video
[08:14] <Solarbaby> and I get a blue screen and audio
[08:15] <Solarbaby> nothing crashes so thats kinda good i guess
[08:15] <Solarbaby> if I could see the video i'd be set..  but its just boring blue
[08:16] <superm1> hm
[08:16] <superm1> do other media playback apps do this too?
[08:16] <superm1> can you try like mplayer or xine etc
[08:16] <Solarbaby> im trying every resolution I have currently..  although if i run 640x480 that could crash the system
[08:17] <Solarbaby> yeah..  i'll copy a video  file over to the local hard drive and give it a shot
[08:26] <Solarbaby> vlc has the same problem
[08:27] <superm1> well i'm gonna have to hit the hay right now
[08:27] <superm1> i'll have to toy with more on it this week
[08:27] <Solarbaby> alright..  I'll most likely need you on this one
[08:27] <Solarbaby> sure thing..  have a good night buddy
[08:27] <superm1> post to the forums though
[08:28] <superm1> there are a lot of other bright people showing up now
[08:28] <Solarbaby> alright will do
[08:28] <superm1> and helping out
[08:28] <Solarbaby> not too many compare to you
[08:28] <Solarbaby> besides I like you
[08:28] <Solarbaby> *Wink*
[08:28] <superm1> well thanks. but i eat, sleep, and breathe this development stuff :)
[08:29] <superm1> okay nn
[08:29] <Solarbaby> Night!
[13:05] <camelreef> hello all
[13:09] <camelreef> I have questions about the weekly builds
[13:46] <camelreef> how big of a risk to the WAF is using -trunk if the main thing you want are Storage groups?
[13:47] <camelreef> the box is a combined back+front system - http://www.youplala.net/linux/home-theater-pc
[19:04] <MythbuntuGuest01> he ho.
[19:06] <samson--> greetings
[19:09] <tgm4883_laptop> oanszwoa, did you have a question?
[19:09] <oanszwoa>  what could be my problem, if can´t change the channels the known way?
[19:10] <oanszwoa> xawtv can handle my 2 analog PCI TV-cards.
[19:10] <oanszwoa> had to create /etc/modprobe.d/bttv with -> options bttv card=54 tuner=5
[19:11] <oanszwoa> for the second card - the first one was detected right.
[19:12] <oanszwoa> ..and, it´s seems to lag often - don´t think, that´s some time-shifting things..
[19:13] <oanszwoa> tgm4883_laptop, do you have an answer? :)
[19:13] <oanszwoa> ..or any somment? ;)
[19:13] <oanszwoa> sorry - comment..
[19:16] <oanszwoa> switching the channels in the EPG also lags terrible.
[19:17] <oanszwoa> i was sure to run into trouble with the hardware - but that it would be a problem to change the channels..... - no.
[19:19] <oanszwoa> is it possible, that i also have problems with the drivers of my video card?
[19:29] <oanszwoa> are there aby other Mythbuntu irc channels out there?
[19:36] <samson--> i think this is the official one
[19:36] <samson--> it is just awfully quiet today
[19:42] <beavis> tgm4883, you're working on a trayicon for mythtv?
[19:42] <beavis> tgm4883, I've done some initial work here
[19:42] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[19:43] <tgm4883_laptop> a backend notifier
[19:43] <beavis> tgm4883, it already shows when it's recording something
[19:43] <beavis> tgm4883, a red icon for recording and a black one for idle
[19:43] <tgm4883_laptop> interesting
[19:43] <tgm4883_laptop> thats half of what im working on
[19:43] <beavis> tgm4883, it's in python, what's your solution?
[19:43] <tgm4883_laptop> well currently i only have a gui
[19:43] <tgm4883_laptop> no backend to that yet
[19:45] <tgm4883_laptop> currently it's just a gui built in glade-3, with a python coding yet to be started
[19:46] <beavis> tgm4883, my "backend part" is quite simple, but it already shows something
[19:46] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet are you polling the status port?
[19:46] <beavis> tgm4883, I was just looking for an idea which colors to take for what
[19:47] <beavis> It's actually the xml part of the status port I'm talkting to
[19:47] <tgm4883_laptop> right
[19:47] <beavis> I use sax to parse it
[19:48] <beavis> do you know which colors MS uses for their media center tray icon?
[19:48] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[19:48] <tgm4883_laptop> although I could check
[19:48] <tgm4883_laptop> later
[19:49] <tgm4883_laptop> at work we have a few systems with MCE
[19:49] <beavis> I guess it's red for recording
[19:49] <tgm4883_laptop> probably
[19:49] <tgm4883_laptop> i would think though
[19:49] <beavis> but what could be yellow/green be used for?
[19:49] <tgm4883_laptop> that yellow be used for recording
[19:49] <tgm4883_laptop> red for not available (ie offline)
[19:49] <tgm4883_laptop> and green for free
[19:50] <tgm4883_laptop> so your looking at the xml status port on the master backend right?
[19:52] <tgm4883_laptop> beavis, would it be possible to see this in action?
[19:52] <beavis> yes, we of course can share the code
[19:52] <beavis> I'll put it on google code
[19:52] <beavis> best
[19:52] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[19:52] <tgm4883_laptop> thanks
[19:53] <tgm4883_laptop> have you seen the blueprint that I am working on?
[19:53] <beavis> nope
[19:54] <tgm4883_laptop> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/mythbackend-notifier
[19:54] <tgm4883_laptop> it's pretty much exactly what you have, with the addition of some error resolving
[19:54] <tgm4883_laptop> i think*
[19:59] <beavis> yes, great
[20:01] <beavis> I don't have a gui for the prefs yet, everything's hard coded at the moment...
[20:04] <tgm4883_laptop> I think the important part is getting something that works, then adding features.  Sounds like yours is working?
[20:04] <beavis> yes, there's always a black icon if the BE is idle and a red one if it's recording
[20:05] <tgm4883_laptop> how often do you check the xml port?
[20:06] <beavis> it works for just one backend and one tv card so far, but it should be easy to add some more features since it's all in the xml file
[20:06] <beavis> 		duration = 15 # seconds
[20:06] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[20:06] <tgm4883_laptop> have you experienced any backend crashing?
[20:07] <tgm4883_laptop> there was some talk of the backend crashing if the xml port gets hit too often
[20:07] <agruman> heya, i have a dvb-c adapter and everything seems ok in dmesg, scan finds channels, and czap locks, but im unable to get any video, from what i understand im supposed to be able to do "cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > file.mpeg". Is that correct? That file always becomes 0 bytes, and mplayer and klear prduces no video as well.
[20:08] <chuk_barn> how does the XMLTVID field in mythconverg.channel get populated?
[20:09] <chuk_barn> other than manually
[20:09] <tgm4883_laptop> doesn't it get populated by mythfilldatabase?
[20:09] <chuk> thats what I figured, but is it just based on channel number?
[20:10] <tgm4883_laptop> channel number and location I believe
[20:10] <tgm4883_laptop> maybe callsign too
[20:10] <chuk> and is it a one time thing, or will it overwrite it?
[20:10] <chuk> I have some channels that have matching records in my schedulesdirect subscription
[20:11] <chuk> but they aren't getting an XMLTVID
[20:11] <tgm4883_laptop> not sure on that, i know there is an update option when scanning, but idk about mythfilldatabase
[20:11] <chuk> I can manually assign it
[20:11] <chuk> but thats a pain
[20:11] <tgm4883_laptop> beavis, off to lunch, can you email me a link to that google code when it gets up?
[20:12] <beavis> tgm4883, I just have to put my kids to bed... talk to you later
[20:12] <tgm4883_laptop> k
[20:18] <oanszwoa> i´m sure that i checked the box for XMLTV support on installation.
[20:19] <oanszwoa> but i can´t select something like that in the backend settings.
[20:19] <oanszwoa> where can i activate this later ?
[20:33] <Mirage> setting up the program guide pull is in the backend config (mythtv-setup)
[20:36] <oanszwoa> what i can start over the configuration center - THE backend configuration menu?
[20:38] <oanszwoa> after loading new video drivers, it seems to lag less than before.
[20:42] <oanszwoa> mirage, can´t find it - got tomatoes on my eyes...
[20:43] <MythbuntuGuest72> hi
[20:44] <MythbuntuGuest72> my son put mythbuntu over ubuntu bay mistake can we change back ..?
[20:45] <MythbuntuGuest72> you guys suck
[20:46] <Solarbaby> superm1: I had the Dell C610 Video working with playing videos at 24 bit depth..  but its incredibly unstable
[20:46] <JThundley> hahahaha
[20:46] <Solarbaby> superm1: the ATi driver sucks
[21:35] <vwmoab> How can I do an on demand (one touch) record and stop it from starting a new file every half an hour? I am still fairly new to mythtv and i find myself getting lost in the menus....anyone?
[21:40] <oanszwoa> vwmoah, only bots in here... sorry. :(
[21:40] <oanszwoa> bye bye..
[21:41] <tgm4883_laptop> ?
[21:41] <tgm4883_laptop> vwmoab, so you want a single file that records indefinetly?
[21:43] <vwmoab> tgm4883_laptop:i want to initiate the record using the 'R' key and i want it to record to a single file until i tell it to stop
[21:43] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, and currently it chops it into 30 minute chunks?
[21:45] <vwmoab> tgm4883:yeah...i did an on demand record of a flick  and when i went to rename it and move it to my repository i found that i had a bunh of half hour chunks
[21:47] <tgm4883_laptop> vwmoab, ok, i'll think about it.  Time to go home. Back in about 20 min
[22:04] <directhex> vwmoab, you don't have a program guide set up?
[22:05] <JThundley> he's recording from ondemand
[22:05] <JThundley> I.e. no schedule
[22:06] <directhex> myth's not designed to be a vcr, it's designed to be a pvr
[22:06] <JThundley> vwmoab: you could bypass mythtv altogether if you wanted
[22:06] <JThundley> cat /dev/video0 > bababooey.mpg
[22:07] <JThundley> I would look into filesystem limitations too, although I think all linux filesystems allow for ginormous files
[22:10] <vwmoab> sorry guys...i stepped away for a minute...no i dont have a program guide setup....i am working with dishtv....basically what i am trying to do is offload the content from the dish pvr by simply watching it and recording it ondemand with myth
[22:10] <directhex> myth's not designed to be a vcr, it's designed to be a pvr
[22:11] <directhex> i think you can configure somewhere how long it considers an unknown program to be, but i couldn't say where precisely
[22:13] <vwmoab> directhex:yeah i got that the first time....i am thinking that JThundley's suggestion might bear fruit...i like the simplicity...
[22:13] <JThundley> just don't forget to kill it ;)
[22:13] <directhex> vwmoab, his suggestion is "myth's not designed to be a vcr, it's designed to be a pvr" so not using it at all
[22:14] <vwmoab> directhex:i got that too
[22:14] <JThundley> you can do a manual schedule in mythtv
[22:14] <JThundley> it's just like you would do with a VCR I think
[22:15] <JThundley> you set a start time, stop time and channel
[22:15] <JThundley> I've never used it
[22:18] <vwmoab> JThundley:yeah thats what i was preparing to do....I just want to get the content off...i dont necessarily need to use myth to do it...it just seemed like i could....i like the cat /dev/video0 > filename.mpg...the thing i wonder about that method is what will its default bitrate be...i'd like it to be around a gig an hour which as i understand it is around 2200
[22:19] <JThundley> hmmmm, with cat you wouldn't be able to control stuff like that
[22:19] <JThundley> I don't know what the default is
[22:19] <JThundley> if you're handy with mencoder I bet you could make it work
[22:20] <vwmoab> JThundley:yeah...well i will run a few tests and see what i come up with...thanks to you and the others for your suggestions
[22:20] <JThundley> sure thing
[22:59] <tgm4883_laptop> man, my 20 minutes aways turns into an hour
[23:00] <williammanda> if you could just get your bank to do that :)
[23:01] <directhex> williammanda, do what? make you queue for 3 times longer? mine does it already!
[23:02] <williammanda> sorry meant bank account......grow
[23:03] <williammanda> what is the next ubuntu release?
[23:09] <williammanda> who has a firewire-enabled cable or satellite tuner?
[23:13] <tgm4883_laptop> i use firewire to stream my motorola 6200
[23:13] <williammanda> is that a cable modem?
[23:13] <tgm4883_laptop> no STB
[23:14] <williammanda> do you get HDTV from it?
[23:14] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[23:14] <williammanda> can you do the same with satellite?
[23:15] <tgm4883_laptop> afaik, unfortunatly not.  The laws that apply to cable companies do not apply to satellite transmissions.  IE, i don't think they are required to give you a working firewire port
[23:16] <williammanda> ok
[23:16] <williammanda> what is UPNP?
[23:16] <tgm4883_laptop> Universal Plug And Play
[23:16] <williammanda> I have been reading the mythbuntu site :)
[23:16] <tgm4883_laptop> link?
[23:16] <williammanda> yes link
[23:17] <williammanda> how would you use UPNP?
[23:17] <tgm4883_laptop> err, can i get a link to what your reading so I can better explain?
[23:18] <williammanda> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[23:19] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[23:19] <beavis> tgm4883_laptop, I just moved  from SAX to DOM, So the script is broken at the moment
[23:19] <tgm4883_laptop> k
[23:20] <beavis> tgm4883_laptop, I'll put it online when it'll work again
[23:20] <tgm4883_laptop> williammanda, there are certain media devices that are made by some companies that connect to UPNP media servers
[23:20] <tgm4883_laptop> UPNP is a protocol allowing this connectivity
[23:21] <tgm4883_laptop> for instance, here is a review and picture of one
[23:21] <tgm4883_laptop> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=3217
[23:23] <foxxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, what is the cmd to kill another irc instance (my main id thinks its online still)
[23:23] <directhex> if the nick is registered with nickserv, try identifying
[23:23] <tgm4883_laptop> are you looking to kick it?
[23:23] <foxxbuntu> tgm4883 yes
[23:24] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[23:24] <tgm4883_laptop> yea try identifing
[23:24] <directhex> /msg nickserv ghost registeredNickName NicknamePassword
[23:24] <tgm4883_laptop> cause you sould be able to overpower the other one
[23:24] <tgm4883_laptop> providing it is not actually online right now
[23:25] <foxbuntu> YAY
[23:25] <foxbuntu> thanks directhex
[23:25] <foxbuntu> much better
[23:25]  * directhex knows all, /me sees all
[23:25] <directhex> thankfully, /me does not smell all
[23:25]  * foxbuntu is all
[23:51] <williammanda> what is going to be the next linux kernel in ubuntu?
[23:51]  * tgm4883_laptop shrugs
[23:51] <williammanda> or where can I go to find it
[23:51] <tgm4883_laptop> #ubuntu
[23:51] <williammanda> alright sorry
[23:51] <tgm4883_laptop> maybe the ubuntu launchpad page
[23:52] <tgm4883_laptop> or maybe the UCS boston page
[23:52] <tgm4883_laptop> or maybe superm1 knows
[23:52] <williammanda> the reason I ask is .....one of my tuners is added to the future kernel
[23:52] <tgm4883_laptop> which one?
[23:53] <williammanda> hold on
[23:53] <tgm4883_laptop> looks like 2.6.24 will be in hardy
[23:55] <williammanda> PCIe DViCO FusionHDTV5 Express
[23:55] <williammanda> I have had this thing for over a year and can't use it
[23:56] <williammanda> i bought it right before I switched to linux
[23:56] <williammanda> worked great in windows
[23:56] <williammanda> works in 2.6.24 kernel
[23:57] <tgm4883_laptop> well according to the launchpad page thats the kernel for hardy
[23:57] <williammanda> ok ty
[23:57] <williammanda> i wasn't trying to be off topic
[23:57] <tgm4883_laptop> is the express version different than the regular version?  I was under the impression that it worked
[23:58] <tgm4883_laptop> you weren't too OT, but I was just saying that I didn't know off the top of my head
[23:58] <williammanda> I couldn't tell the difference between the two


[13:20] <gary_poster> benji and bac, hi.  are either of you looking for a bug to tackle?
[13:20] <bac> gary_poster: i will be shortly
[13:21] <gary_poster> bac, cool.  benjim welcome to the other channel :-P
[13:21] <benji> gary_poster: tag, you're it
[13:21] <gary_poster> :-)
[13:21] <benji> :P
[13:23] <gary_poster> bac, benji, just forwarded you an email
[13:23]  * bac just made a rule to zap vcs-import mail and can see clearly again
[13:23] <gary_poster> heh
[13:23] <gary_poster> good idea
[13:24] <benji> yeah, my rule got 400+ messages when I made it; that seems like something we should fix
[13:29] <gary_poster> gmb, for bug 772609, question for the call lest I forget: what does status of bug 772609 mean to deployment?  Is it worthwhile talking about whether we can make the fix on top of the branches Danilo and I are working on for after the db deployment?
[13:29] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb: kanban now, call really close to now
[13:29] <gmb> gary_poster: The fix has been rolled back and we can happily make the fix on top of yours and Danilo's branches.
[13:29] <gary_poster> ok cool
[13:30] <gary_poster> cause I think I might have ripped out some or all of the bits you are talking about in the most recent traceback
[13:30] <gmb> Ah, okay.
[13:31] <gary_poster> that Skype experience was weird
[13:31] <gary_poster> benji, there's actually a bug number in there
[13:32] <gmb> Nice, skype won't let me sign in...
[13:32] <gary_poster> hmmmmm....
[13:32] <gary_poster> Skype is not happy....
[13:32]  * gmb restarts skype
[13:32] <benji> yeah, my skype isjust spinning
[13:32] <gmb> Glad it's not just me...
[13:33] <gary_poster> I can't log on now...
[13:33] <gary_poster> uh, danilo, how's the mumble going :-D
[13:33] <bac> my skype launched but says none of my contacts are online
[13:34] <gary_poster> I wonder how it would work on Windows :-P
[13:34] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb, everyone join me on mumble who can, please
[13:35]  * benji installs mumble
[13:35]  * danilos tries and hopes for the best
[13:35] <gary_poster> meh
[13:35] <bac> ok.  haven't mumbled since upgrading to natty
[13:36] <danilos> gary_poster, nope, it's blocked
[13:36] <gary_poster> I see danilos, but he is muted and deafened
[13:36] <danilos> gary_poster, what it used to do was kill my entire audio stack until I reboot (maybe playing with unloading/loading modules might work, but I never spent time to debug that)
[13:37] <danilos> gary_poster, hum, let me try something
[13:39] <danilos> nope, it seems to have problems with localized sound card names that it seems to get from pulseaudio
[13:39] <gary_poster> benji, (1) how goes mumble, (2) did you happen to run test suite with your "rip out feature flag" branch?
[13:39] <benji> "The remote host closed the connection."
[13:40] <benji> 2) I ran -m lp.bugs
[13:40] <gary_poster> danilos we can hear you
[13:43] <benji> mumble is not connecting for me
[13:51] <bac> empathy?
[13:52] <gary_poster> benji, try skype again?
[13:52] <bac> i think you can do empathy voice-only calls but i've not tried
[13:53] <gary_poster> ok
[13:53] <bac> if not i have some electrical tape i can put over my camera
[13:53] <gary_poster> lol
[13:53] <benji> trying skype
[13:53] <gary_poster> k
[13:53] <benji> working on email incedent too
[13:53] <gary_poster> benji, well...that's one of the things I want to talk to you about :-)
[13:54] <benji> gary_poster: if need be we can have a POTS call
[13:55] <gary_poster> benji...that's unthinkable!
[13:56] <benji> heh
[13:56] <gary_poster> benji, I'm logged into Skype, but I'm guessing either you can't, or they have some weird split thing going on.
[13:57] <benji> mine keeps spinning like it's trying to connect
[14:23] <danilos> my skype seems to be fine, and I can see Gary and gmb
[14:23] <danilos> though, I haven't logged off since yesterday
[14:23] <gary_poster> I see you but that's it
[14:23] <gary_poster> I've logged on and off several times, and for awhile there was noone at all
[14:24] <danilos> interesting, have you tried calling someone even if they appear offline?
[14:55] <gary_poster> not lately
[14:57] <gary_poster> danilos, when you get a chance, would you please take a look at https://devpad.canonical.com/~gary/mockup.png and give me your opinion?  I prefer B and B-1 for consistency with the structural subscription options.  Option A variants are slightly more usable because of fewer clicks, but then my original was even easier in that regard.  I'll ask mrevell too.
[14:57] <gary_poster> anyone else is welcome to chime in too, btw :-)
[14:58]  * danilos looks
[15:00] <benji> gary_poster: I think the A family is slightly better because I think it'll be easier for people to choose from a linear set of options instead of a branching set (i.e., the check box)
[15:02] <gary_poster> benji, I agree about usability, what about consistency?
[15:02] <danilos> gary_poster, I kind of like the explicit "or" in B-1 combined with a linear set of options (i.e. in A-1 "Remove your subscription" doesn't seem distinct enough)
[15:02] <gary_poster> danilos, A-3?
[15:03] <danilos> gary_poster, right, it's a very wide image, haven't noticed it so far :)
[15:03] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:03] <gary_poster> danilos, the only diff is that A-3 has the current option as a radio button
[15:03] <gary_poster> while A-1 has the current option as text
[15:04] <benji> gary_poster: Isn't option A consistent with how we ask about direct subscriptions?
[15:04] <gary_poster> A-3 seems the best of the A-line
[15:04] <benji> I don't think we need the "or"; all of them are "or" options
[15:04] <danilos> gary_poster, A-3 also has the separation between "unsubscribe" and "choose level" options, no?
[15:05] <danilos> benji, but they are clearly actions of the distinct nature, and one might simply be looking for "unsubscribe"
[15:05] <gary_poster> danilos, yeah, sorry, I meant, A-1 with "or" is still different than A-3 because of the radio button thing
[15:05] <danilos> not distinct per se, but it kind of feels as if unsubscribe is the most common action
[15:05] <gary_poster> benji is arguing for the A line I think, not A-1 in particular
[15:06] <danilos> gary_poster, right, understood
[15:07] <danilos> gary_poster, fwiw, I don't mind the B-1 either, I just find it a bit confusing and hard to clearly present, but then there's the consistency argument
[15:07] <danilos> == hard to clearly present available options
[15:07] <gary_poster> benji, what I have right now in the branch under review (and that is regarded as confusing) is consistent with "edit your bugs": action links.  I can put up a mockup in case inspiration might strike.  Option B is consistent with structural subscription options.  option A I'd argue is consistent with not much :-)
[15:08] <danilos> gary_poster, hehe, A is consistent with static +subscribe page :) not that it's relevant
[15:08] <gary_poster> danilos, lol :-P
[15:09] <danilos> gary_poster, I think the only problem I have with B-1 is that I'd prefer the checkbox to read "Exclude comments" if the choice above it is "everything"
[15:09] <benji> maybe it's because I haven't had my coffee yet, but option A looks a lot like what I see if I visit a bug and click "Subscribe" (the words are a little different and the options are in a different order, but that's fixable)
[15:09] <gary_poster> benji, right, but that's what we are replacing :-)
[15:10] <gary_poster> benji, fwiw: https://devpad.canonical.com/~gary/PastedGraphic-1.png https://devpad.canonical.com/~gary/PastedGraphic-2.png
[15:10] <benji> well then, that changes things :)
[15:10] <danilos> benji, because that's coming from the static +subscribe page by loading the form using ajax
[15:11] <danilos> gary_poster, benji: I think we should just agree that B-3 is to everybody's taste and go with that
[15:11] <gary_poster> danilos: exclude comments: yeah, that's a "too many cooks" issue we have from structural subscriptions.  Jono wanted the checkbox as it is there too, because he wants checkboxes to be positive choices, not exclusions
[15:11] <gary_poster> danilos: +1 :-)
[15:12] <benji> I really like the links-as-actions approach here, especially PastedGraphic-2.
[15:13] <gary_poster> heh, I did too :-P
[15:13] <gary_poster> danilos was confused though
[15:14] <gary_poster> and Huw agrees that radio buttons should rule the world :-)
[15:14] <gary_poster> (not so strongly that we couldn't override, I think, but still)
[15:15] <gary_poster> The link approach is also faster to use, as danilo pointed out
[15:15] <gary_poster> and it is consistent with "edit your bugs"
[15:16] <gary_poster> Edit bug mail, I mean
[15:16] <danilos> benji, radio boxes clearly indicate to anyone who's been using computer UIs that there's one selected option of all the potential choices
[15:16] <danilos> benji, for instance, in PastedGraphic-2, if I didn't know the underlying implementation details, I don't think I'd ever have guessed that the middle text indicates the selected option
[15:17] <danilos> gary_poster, benji: perhaps it'd be much better if the "choice" (plain text) was moved to the top
[15:18] <gary_poster> That would be easy to do, and I think an improvement.
[15:18] <gary_poster> (I had it where it is so you could easily see relative subscription levels)
[15:19] <danilos> gary_poster, right, so my preferences would be A-3, B-1 and then that :) we know which one is the simplest to implement ;)
[15:19] <gary_poster> heh
[15:20] <gary_poster> benji, do you care to do a ranking?
[15:25] <benji> gary_poster: A-1, A-2, A, B, A-3, B-3, B-2
[15:26] <benji> (my guess as to how they will perform in user testing from best to worst))
[15:27] <gary_poster> benji, where does PastedGraphic-2 fit into that?
[15:27] <benji> hmm...
[15:27] <gary_poster> and did you really mean B-3, the absent choice? :-)
[15:28] <danilos> yeah, you can't rank it that low!
[15:28] <gary_poster> Or do the last two have an off-by-one error
[15:28] <benji> gary_poster: fixed ranking: PastedGraphic-2, A-1, A-2, A, B, A-3, B-2, B-1
[15:29] <gary_poster> :-) ok got it, thanks
[15:29] <gary_poster> based on that, you two average out to me doing nothing at all!  woo hoo!  ;-)
[15:30] <gary_poster> I'll mention this to mrevell.  I'm inclined to do the "move the text to the top of PastedGraphic-2 and move on" as you might expect.
[15:55] <bac> hi gary_poster -- looking at the MP mbp did (https://code.launchpad.net/~mbp/launchpad/788874-mail-oops/+merge/63343) i'm not sure why it was rejected.  i think lifeless was wrong in his assessment.
[15:56] <bac> gary_poster: well, i *do* understand why you rejected it...i just think it is a viable solution afterall
[15:58] <gary_poster> bac, ok.  yeah, I was just going on the conversation.  You are the engineer on it, and I'm happy for you to make a call.  I'm also happy to dig into it if you'd like me to.
[15:59] <bac> gary_poster: there have been other suggested actions to take but i think martin's approach makes sense
[16:07] <gary_poster> CHR!
[16:12] <bac> gary_poster: have you been running the lp2kanban script?  i never see my cards updated.  am i doing something wrong?
[16:14] <gary_poster> bac, no, I haven't. :-P  benji said I had to change something or other in order to point to the proper board, and while I'm sure that is super easy, it has kept me from pursuing it yet.  Sorry. :-(  I'll get on it.
[16:14] <benji> gary_poster: my mumble problems look like a networking problem; I did a packet capture and see lots of retransmissions and duplicate ACKs
[16:14] <bac> gary_poster: was just curious
[16:14] <gary_poster> beji, weird
[16:14] <gary_poster> bac, cool
[16:35] <gary_poster> ok, chr done
[16:35] <gary_poster> running to anniversary lunch :-)
[16:35] <gary_poster> biab
[16:57]  * danilos -> out
[19:24] <bac> gary_poster: you have a moment to do an inflight sanity check / pre-review?
[19:24] <gary_poster> bac, heh, sure
[19:24] <bac> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621121/
[19:24] <bac> it should be pretty much complete....modulo me not understanding option 1 mbp presented in the bug
[19:25] <gary_poster> k
[19:25] <bac> i'd like to get your interpretation of his #1 and robert's response
[19:26] <gary_poster> k, lemme get bug up
[19:29] <gary_poster> bac, I understand poolie's option 1 by omitting ", or the in-application limit up,".  I'm guessing that is a mistake.
[19:30] <bac> ah, so unify them at 10MB or 50MB
[19:30] <gary_poster> yeah
[19:30] <bac> ok, so that is outside the scope of this bug fix...and our app should be robust enough to live in a messed up world like we currently have
[19:31] <bac> that sounded more philosophical than i intended.
[19:31] <gary_poster> bac, one thought I had so far was wondering about 64K as a good default (maybe bigger), and whether it ought to be implemented in terms lpconfig
[19:31] <gary_poster> :-)
[19:31] <gary_poster> agree, though
[19:32] <gary_poster> bac, my question is a "wondering," not an opinion
[19:32] <bac> actually for returning  a message that caused an OOPS i think 64K should be sufficient
[19:33] <bac> and i can easily make it a config variable though i don't know what it buys us since we'd not want to tune it across environments
[19:33] <gary_poster> in doc, "outgoing message will be too big" I'd maybe ike a parenthetical ref to this bug, or the incident, or at least an explanation of what is actually enforcing our limit
[19:33] <bac> i mean lp.dev vs production
[19:33] <gary_poster> config var: only to change quickly
[19:34] <bac> ah, right, they are handled in a different more easily deployed branch.  i always forget that
[19:34] <bac> OK, well if you think the branch is sound i'll make that change and get it rolling
[19:35] <gary_poster> 64K sufficient: I have no idea...I don't have a clear idea of all the ways this is used tbh
[19:35] <bac> thanks for the thoughts
[19:35] <gary_poster> but I'm happy to go along with it
[19:35] <gary_poster> sure, np.  it looks good to me!  thank you
[19:45] <benji> gary_poster: have we told whomever is doing this DB deploy to turn on the feature flags for everyone after the deploy?
[19:46] <gary_poster> benji, robert knows, and he also wants to wait an hour even with the email, which was fine w/me
[19:46] <gary_poster> even with email change I mean
[19:47] <gary_poster> you know, we could have made +subscriptions redirect to the main page if the feature flag was off
[19:47] <benji> cool; in that case I'll send him a pointer to the "what to do to turn off the message" wiki page
[19:47] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[19:48] <benji> yeah, that would have been good, if we'd thought of it
[20:00]  * benji does CHR.
[20:18] <bac> gary_poster: is there a way to QA email processing before it hits production?
[20:26] <gary_poster> bac, was
[20:27] <gary_poster> or even, yes
[20:27] <gary_poster> looking
[20:27] <gary_poster> we talked about it in our weekly notes
[20:28] <gary_poster> bac, oh, you mean *incoming* processing
[20:28] <gary_poster> I suspect there is
[20:28] <bac> yeah
[20:28] <gary_poster> I think it is something like this
[20:29] <bac> gary_poster: can you do the actual review for https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-788874/+merge/63750 ?
[20:29] <gary_poster> 1) find something on production that you could email to
[20:29] <gary_poster> sure
[20:29] <gary_poster> make sure that it is also on staging
[20:29] <gary_poster> convert the prod address
[20:29] <gary_poster> by adding staging. at the start
[20:29] <gary_poster> (of domain of course)
[20:30] <gary_poster> 2) run the pertinent cronscript with -vv and hope that it is hooked up to give you the detail you need
[20:30] <gary_poster> (the one we used for our last feature was)
[20:30] <gary_poster> The End
[20:33] <gary_poster> bac, why don't we need code to rip out the original message?  I only see where we add the truncated one, not where we delete the original
[20:33] <bac> delete from where?
[20:34] <bac> you'll note i delete it from the mailbox before doing the send-oops
[20:34] <bac> line 139
[20:34] <bac> gary_poster: ^^
[20:34] <gary_poster> bac, when we assemble the message to send, leading up to line 62 of diff
[20:35] <bac> line 60 redefines original_msg to be the truncated version
[20:35]  * bac admits that is a little confusing
[20:35] <gary_poster> oh, duh, got it
[20:36] <gary_poster> renaming truncated_msg to truncated_msg_str *might* have helped me.
[20:36] <gary_poster> but probably not :-P
[20:37] <gary_poster> approved bac
[20:38] <bac> good idea
[20:38] <bac> thanks
[20:38] <gary_poster> np
[21:51] <gary_poster> benji, you around?
[21:52] <benji> gary_poster: yep
[21:52] <gary_poster> hey
[21:52] <gary_poster> bug 772609
[21:52] <_mup_> Bug #772609: bug subscription mute link is not shown for membership in a team with a direct or structural subscription <bad-commit-13003> <bad-commit-13154> <bad-commit-13164> <qa-bad> <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by gmb> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/772609 >
[21:52] <gary_poster> I take it gmb suggested that you not focus on it right now?
[21:53] <gary_poster> benji: ^^
[21:54] <benji> gary_poster: I don't recall a conversation like that.  Oh, I remember, I claimed it in LP and he already had put a card up for it previsouly.
[21:54] <gary_poster> benji, you are not assigned it in LP either
[21:54] <gary_poster> you are working on it?
[21:55] <gary_poster> I need to know fairly quickly--maybe quick Skype call?
[21:55] <gary_poster> benji ^^
[21:55] <benji> nope, I unassigned myself and he assigned himself
[21:55] <gary_poster> oh
[21:55] <benji> I'm up for a call.
[21:55] <benji> (but I think that's the extent of my knowleg (sp) on it)
[21:56] <gary_poster> and you aren't on Skype :-P
[21:56] <gary_poster> ok


[15:28] <thafreak> Unit193: Yeah, I have a feeling I am.
[15:28] <thafreak> I leave my irssi running in a tmux on a server
[15:29] <thafreak> And I think there are some network issues with said server
[15:29] <thafreak> The machine is in a datacenter in miami with good connectivity
[15:30] <thafreak> But either the machine is starting to fail (it's almost 10 years old now), or it might be just getting too much traffic, well illigitimate traffic


[13:54] <penguin42> hmm, the chocolate shortbread I baked seems to have gone.  Burp
[14:02] <zxmpi> a threatened shortbread can be dangerous when cornered. you had to protect yourself
[14:03] <penguin42> indeed
[20:13] <davef> Apparently I can't join #ubuntu
[20:13] <davef> 480 #ubuntu Cannot join channel (+j) - throttle exceeded, try again later
[21:08] <penguin42> 'The version of the updated scan engine starts with<PHONE_NUMBER>'
[21:08] <penguin42> nice hack


[10:20] <free> wgrant: hey there, around?
[10:22] <wgrant> free: Sorry, I've had your MP open for a day, but let me have a look at it now.
[10:22] <free> wgrant: ah, you noticed it, just wanted to mention it. No hurry from my side.
[10:23] <wgrant> free: Much less intimidating once I realised the majority of the diff was bootstrap.py.
[10:23] <free> wgrant: I'll be pushing a few txlongpoll branches at some point, I'm wondering if it'd make sense to make the Landscape team in LP member of the project (so I could get more reviewers). That code was originally written in Landscape and then extracted to txlongpoll by former LP devs
[10:24] <free> wgrant: yeah pretty much all of it, should have mentioned that in the MP description
[10:24] <wgrant> Yeah, I was part of that extraction project back in 2011.
[10:25] <free> wgrant: ah I had forgot
[10:25] <wgrant> free: I can add you to ~lazr-developers, which has commit access.
[10:25] <free> wgrant: thanks
[10:26] <wgrant> free: There's no tarmac or anything on these branches, so just merge directly.
[10:26] <free> wgrant: right, I'll make sure to run tests :)
[21:04] <Jasper> Is it possible to trigger a rebuilt of a previously-uploaded source package?
[21:04] <Jasper> If we try and trigger a rebuild the normal way, the package will fail to upload.
[21:09] <nacc> Jasper: is this in a PPA?
[21:09] <Jasper> Yes.
[21:09] <Jasper> It's a git import recipe thing.
[21:09] <nacc> Jasper: ah, i don't know much about that -- but did the previous build succeed?
[21:10] <Jasper> No.
[21:10] <Jasper> It was a test fail for other unrelated reasons.
[21:10] <nacc> Jasper: then i think you can submit the rebuild from the web interface, at least
[21:10] <nacc> Jasper: so it probably is possible via the API
[21:10] <Jasper> Where?
[21:10] <Jasper> We're not trying to do it from the API, only the web UI.
[21:10] <nacc> Jasper: i think if you view all builds, then click on the fialing build, there's a link
[21:11] <Jasper> Well, I could view all builds, if Launchpad just didn't die on us.
[21:11] <nacc> Jasper: i'm pretty sure i've done that in the past, i can try and look where i think it should be ... link?
[21:11] <Jasper> Launchpad is dead.
[21:11] <sarnold> launchpad feels unhappy, I got the "Uh oh! Something has gone wrong" page
[21:12] <nacc> yeah, it just stopped working for me too :/
[21:15] <dobey> seems to be a network issue to the data center. might be a DDoS or something
[21:16] <Jasper> Thank god. Now we might be able to switch to a CI system that's usable.
[21:16] <dobey> Jasper: but anyway, yes, you can request a rebuild for an individual target, if you go to the PPA's package details page, and then click on the failed build, there will be a "retry"
[21:17] <nacc> dobey: thanks (i was pretty sure it was there, but not an expert)
[21:19] <dopey_> is https://launchpad.net down at the moment?
[21:20] <wgrant> dopey_: Yes
[21:20] <beisner> i'm getting 'Uh oh!' too
[21:20] <rdhyee> any estimate of when launchpad.net will be back?
[21:21] <wgrant> Not at the moment. Still not sure exactly what's happened.
[21:23] <Gues_____> launchpad down?
[21:23] <gaughen> oh good it's not just me. I swear I didn't do anything!
[21:24] <rdhyee> wgrant: thanks for answering my question about estimated time.  Good luck to the sysadmins for bringing it back up.
[21:24] <sarnold> Gues_____: correct, down
[21:29] <Alives> git-core ppa 503: https://launchpad.net/~git-core
[21:29] <wgrant> topic
[21:30] <sarnold> thanks for publishing on twitter, too
[21:31] <bladernr> ack, that explains it.  Thanks wgrant
[21:35] <wgrant> We're back.
[21:38] <rdhyee> wgrant: thanks!
[21:40] <oeil> thank you!
[21:40] <wernerandrew> thanks!
[21:50] <Alives> thanks
[21:53] <cjwatson> Jasper: No; you need to arrange for a new recipe build that has a newer version number.  Your recipe will include various elements that go into building the version number, and you need to arrange that each time you want to build the package it has a newer version number.
[21:53] <Jasper> cjwatson, we fixed an issue with a dependency.
[21:53] <Jasper> We have no new source package.
[21:53] <cjwatson> Jasper: Link?
[21:54] <Jasper> To what?
[21:54] <cjwatson> Jasper: To your build
[21:54] <cjwatson> Or your recipe
[21:54] <cjwatson> Or *something*
[21:54]  * Jasper tries to find it
[21:54] <Jasper> https://launchpad.net/~endlessm/+archive/ubuntu/soma
[21:54] <Jasper> Start with that.
[21:55] <Jasper> I can't figure out how to navigate to anything else.
[21:55] <Jasper> We eventually just bumped it in the changelog.
[21:55] <Jasper> But it would be nice not to have to do that.
[21:55] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~wgreenberg/+recipe/eos-shard-daily ?
[21:55] <Jasper> Yeah.
[21:56] <cjwatson> Looking for the older builds that actually failed, since they've now expired off the recipe listing page
[21:57] <Jasper> I can't navigate the Launchpad UI, sorry.
[21:57] <Jasper> I'd help you if I could.
[21:58] <cjwatson> Jasper: So the thing is that the builds preceding the "failed to upload" ones actually succeeded.  What "test failure" are you talking about?
[21:58] <cjwatson> CI in some other system?
[21:58] <Jasper> cjwatson, no, there was one that failed to build.
[21:58] <Jasper> Of eos-shard
[21:58] <nacc> Jasper: do you mean: https://launchpad.net/~endlessm/+archive/ubuntu/soma/+recipebuild/1149824 ?
[21:58] <Jasper> I have a build log but nothing else: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/262619453/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-i386.eos-shard_1.4-1.5~114~ubuntu16.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[21:59] <Jasper> Maybe?
[21:59] <cjwatson> Build log is enough.  One moment.
[21:59] <nacc> that would appear tob e: https://launchpad.net/~endlessm/+archive/ubuntu/soma/+build/9839401
[21:59] <nacc> i think?
[21:59] <cjwatson> Right, and that has a "Retry this build" link on it.
[22:00] <cjwatson> You could have used that.
[22:00] <Jasper> Aha, thanks.
[22:00] <Jasper> Out of curiosity, how did you find those pages?
[22:00] <nacc> Jasper: i got to that from https://launchpad.net/~endlessm/+archive/ubuntu/soma/+builds?build_text=&build_state=failed
[22:00] <Jasper> Cool, thank you.
[22:00] <nacc> Jasper: and i got there from 'view all builds' on https://launchpad.net/~endlessm/+archive/ubuntu/soma/+packages
[22:00] <wgrant> Jasper: They're also linked from +packages
[22:00] <Jasper> OK.
[22:00] <Jasper> I got to the recipe build page.
[22:00] <wgrant> When a build fails, there's an X in the relevant row with a link to each architecture that has failed.
[22:00] <Jasper> Where is it from there?
[22:01] <cjwatson> Under "Binary builds".
[22:01] <wgrant> eg. https://launchpad.net/~endlessm/+archive/ubuntu/soma/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=
[22:01] <Jasper> "Binary builds: none"
[22:01] <Jasper> On https://launchpad.net/~endlessm/+archive/ubuntu/soma/+recipebuild/1149824
[22:01] <cjwatson> Then you're not looking at the right recipe build.
[22:01] <wgrant> That recipe build failed.
[22:01] <cjwatson> That recipe build was a *source package* build failure, not the binary build failure above.
[22:01] <Jasper> Ah, OK.
[22:01] <cjwatson> i.e. failure even to construct the source package
[22:02] <Jasper> OK, cool.
[22:02] <cjwatson> Recipes are all two-stage: first we build a source package from the various VCSes and such that you specify, and then we feed that source package into the usual package building machinery to get binary packages.
[22:02] <Jasper> I can't see it but that's probably a permissions issue.
[22:02] <Jasper> Yeah, yeah.
[22:30] <mwhudson> is there any way i can tell if this job is stuck? https://launchpad.net/~mwhudson/+archive/ubuntu/devirt/+build/9836839
[22:30] <mwhudson> it's gcc building on armhf so being very slow is hardly surprising but there has been no output for an hour or so now
[22:30] <mwhudson> oh wait, it's going now, never mind :)
[23:45] <nacc> what format does getPublishedSources' created_since_date take?
[23:47] <wgrant> nacc: ISO 8601
[23:48] <sarnold> <3
[23:48] <wgrant> eg. 2016-05-31T23:48:08
[23:48] <nacc> wgrant: thanks!
[23:48] <nacc> wgrant: i was thinking that as i looked through the logs
[23:48] <wgrant> nacc: But if you're using launchpadlib you can just pass in a datetime object
[23:49] <nacc> wgrant: ok, good to know!


[09:03] <seb128> hey
[09:04] <seb128> can somebody block "morphis" from #ubuntu-devel -mir -touch -unity?
[09:04] <seb128> his client is having an issue or something, he quits/joins in loop
[09:10] <DJones> Are any of the ops in the channels
[09:19] <AlanBell> popey is an op in most of those channels I think
[09:20] <seb128> dunno if somebody did something but it stopped
[09:20] <DJones> AlanBell: I don't think he is, I had a look at a couple of them and I only saw him on -touch
[09:22] <DJones> May need to use IRCC access
[09:24] <DJones> -mir has a very short access list
[09:29] <AlanBell> ok
[09:35] <AlanBell> seb128: appears to have stopped now?
[09:35] <seb128> AlanBell, cf what I wrote 15 minutes ago
[09:35] <seb128> but yes
[09:36] <seb128> AlanBell, thanks
[09:36] <AlanBell> ok, good, shout if it happens again


[15:46] <paulliu> elopio: hi. Want to sync the helpers details. I'm currently working on the display Indicator helper. http://people.canonical.com/~thomir/ueqa-code-proposals/proposals/indicator-display/index.html#shell-ui-test-helpers
[15:47] <paulliu> elopio: anything else I should know?
[15:58] <elopio> paulliu: it would be nice if you add a method open_display_indicator, that wraps the default open_indicator_page and returns that DisplayIndicator object.
[16:00] <paulliu> elopio: ok
[16:00] <elopio> paulliu: if you need to pair program to get started, we have scheduled some time for that. Just let me know.
[16:01] <paulliu> elopio: Cool. When is it?
[16:02] <paulliu> jfunk told me that you have a sprint next week. Is it able to participate remotely?
[16:03] <elopio> paulliu: yes. We start the sprint on monday.
[17:06] <elopio> alesage: did you finish turning jibel's document into bugs?
[17:06] <alesage> elopio, yes they're there in the doc
[17:06] <elopio> alesage: awesome, thank you.
[17:31] <alesage> elopio, what's on the top of your list today?
[17:50] <elopio> alesage: make cards in the board for each task.
[17:50] <elopio> and then, webbrowser problems.
[17:51] <alesage> elopio, ok, mind if I tag along for the webbrowser fix?
[17:51] <elopio> alesage: sure. I'll ping you  when (if) I start.
[17:51] <alesage> elopio, ok I'll dig in a little after some lunch
[17:53] <dobey> are the autopkgtests in click packages being run anywhere right now?
[17:53] <elopio> dobey: no. Jenkins runs the tests, but not using adt-run.
[17:54] <dobey> ok
[18:13] <elopio> paulliu: would you like to pair on monday?
[18:16] <dobey> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9700053/
[18:17] <dobey> elopio: ^^ can you look at that? i'm wondering why those failures are happening
[18:19] <elopio> dobey:   File "/tmp/adt-run.ZG7ly5/tree/tests/autopilot/pay_ui/tests/__init__.py", line 57, in launch_installed_app
[18:19] <elopio>     raise NotImplementedError()
[18:19] <elopio> the launching method is not implemented.
[19:24] <alesage> elopio ping--I haven't run these sanity tests for a bit and I find myself waiting on a black screen for a while, am I stuck in the loop I've heard about, and what do I need to merge to fix?
[19:25] <elopio> alesage: it depends on where is the loop. Did your flashing succeed?
[19:25] <alesage> elopio, I'm a fresh flash yes, followed the instructions in jibel's doc
[19:26] <alesage> elopio, should I try again to flash?
[19:26] <elopio> alesage: that's better, just to make sure where you are.
[19:26] <elopio> flash and tell me if you end up in the wizard page.
[19:26] <alesage> ok I'll do again--wound up with wizard before though
[19:42] <alesage> elopio, seeing this on the first attempt to run after flash, but this it's adt-run's fault http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9700352 , should probably file a bug for this, recall the second attempt working in the past
[19:43] <elopio> alesage: yes, a bug sounds good.
[19:43] <alesage> elopio, k
[19:43] <elopio> alesage: also try phablet-shell.
[19:43] <alesage> elopio, yes works
[19:43] <elopio> if that works, adt should pass that step.
[19:43] <alesage> elopio, again I recall seeing this on first connect via adt-run
[19:43] <elopio> alesage: I remember about it too.
[19:49] <alesage> elopio, ok yes same result, long black screen--how long to wait?
[19:52] <elopio> alesage: does it show the unity icon spining?
[19:52] <alesage> elopio no I'm past that
[19:53] <elopio> alesage: then I have no idea what's going on.  Did you flash rtm or vivid?
[19:53] <alesage> elopio ubuntu-device-flash touch --wipe --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed --developer-mode --password=0000
[19:54] <alesage> elopio as in Jean-Baptiste's doc
[19:54] <dobey> balloons: hey. how can i run click package tests from the local tree in adt-run exactly? i'm passing "--click-source ./" but it doesn't seem to use them
[19:54] <elopio> alesage: and you are using trunk?
[19:55] <alesage> elopio, yes, just let me make sure I'm up to date on your ppa
[19:56] <elopio> alesage: and krilllin?
[19:56] <alesage> elopio, mako
[19:58] <elopio> alesage: ok, I have krillin ready, I will givve it a try there.
[19:58] <elopio> but I'm going to a meeting, I won't be able to do mako soon.
[19:59] <alesage> elopio, ok will update
[20:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[20:01] <alesage> elopio aha possibly a config option is interfering from your serial branch, seeing a blank warning.log, lemme investigate
[20:09] <username> testing pidgin
[20:21] <elopio> alesage: my krillin is in a black screen.
[20:21] <elopio> I'm hating this, who's breaking our tests on every friday?
[20:21] <alesage> elopio, you say that as if it were bad news
[20:21] <alesage> elopio, finding the same with clean config fwiw
[20:21] <alesage> elopio, what's our process, do you think it's a specific test?
[20:22] <alesage> elopio, do you also get a blank 'warning.log' in your dir?
[20:22] <alesage> actually this one hasn't been touched so maybe not related
[20:22] <elopio> alesage: I don't know. What I did to find the wizard getting stuck was to copy the tests to the phone, make it writable, install the deps and run one test at a time.
[20:23] <alesage> elopio, we could maybe step back a rev?  suspect any recent changes?
[20:24] <elopio> alesage: this not likely caused by our branch.
[20:24] <elopio> more likely a change in someone else's branch.
[20:24] <alesage> elopio hmpf
[20:25] <alesage> elopio, showing that we can run *any* test might help, i.e. chopping out all but one?  or better to go to the device
[20:25] <elopio> alesage: that would be helpful.
[20:25] <alesage> elopio, I'll start that way then on the device after
[21:11] <alesage> elopio saw a unity8 crash but not in successive runs, appears we just never get unity8?
[21:14] <alesage> elopio, notably setting skips on the tests does get a run so the test infrastructure isn't the culprit
[21:50] <elopio> alesage: sorry man, I won't be able to help debugging today. I need a little rest, and then many cards to fill.
[21:50] <alesage> elopio, nw, getting somewhere, will report
[21:51] <elopio> alesage: if you are putting the skip on the test, the setup will still run.
[21:51] <elopio> and generally we restart unity on the setup.
[21:51] <alesage> elopio, right but I put a skip on the whole class
[21:51] <alesage> elopio, seeing that the test passes when run from the device FWIW
[21:52] <elopio> alesage: and anyway, the first card of the following sprint is probably going to be get the suite stable, and figure out how to make sure it won't break again.
[21:52] <elopio> alesage: ok, sound like you are on the right track.
[21:52] <alesage> elopio, ok yeah I'll continue a bit here
[21:52] <elopio> please send an email to the team when you EOD, so everybody knows what's going on.
[21:52] <alesage> elopio, ok shall do
[21:53] <elopio> alesage: thank you. I'll probably see you on monday, I think I better EOD now and finish tomorrow.
[21:53] <elopio> I'll decide after a nap :)
[21:53] <alesage> elopio, ok don't work too hard ;) , enjoy the rest
[22:18] <esteban> are there public test cases available for ubuntu? if yes, where can i find them?
[22:18] <knome> iso.qa.ubuntu.com and packages.qa.ubuntu.com to begin with
[22:19] <esteban> thank you
[22:26] <balloons> esteban, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam for more info about the team, etc as well
[22:26] <elfy> evening balloons
[22:26] <balloons> evening indeed
[22:27] <balloons> how are you this evening elfy and knome? something warm and happy i hope
[22:27] <elfy> yep - good here thanks :)
[22:27] <knome> getting better from the sickness
[22:27] <knome> bought a new work desk today
[22:27] <balloons> ohh, i'm curious
[22:28] <balloons> and glad to hear you are feeling better!
[22:28] <elfy> I got an ssd and a new processor and more ram and new amp and speakers
[22:28] <elfy> no new desk though :(
[22:28] <knome> heh
[22:28] <esteban> balloons: will take a look at the link, looks helpful. thanks
[22:28] <knome> https://www.masku.com/storage/cache/img/7342417513240310458a69ae87fc2541/630x430/gisa-kulmakirjoituspoyta-musta.jpg
[22:28] <knome> that without the extension part at right
[22:28] <elfy> evening esteban - welcome to the madness
[22:29] <knome> balloons, ^
[22:31] <esteban> evening elfy
[22:31] <esteban> i ll embrace madness warmly
[22:31] <elfy> awesome :)
[22:32] <balloons> knome, simple and sleek i like it
[22:32] <balloons> esteban, haha, you'll fit right in
[22:32] <knome> balloons, yep, and tbh, there isn't much variety unless you want to pay ridiculous prices like 1500 euros...
[22:32] <esteban> jajaja, i ll give my best :p
[22:33] <balloons> i had planned to make a desk. one long sheet of plywood against the entire wall of my office
[22:33] <knome> balloons, something like that would be awesome.
[22:34] <knome> well, not the whole wall
[22:34] <knome> but a simple piece of wood
[22:34] <elfy> I still want to do a standing desk
[22:34] <elfy> easy enough - just being bothered
[22:34] <knome> i'd like one that can alternate between standing and sitting
[22:34] <balloons> knome, :-) my office is cozy, i could easily cover a wall and have it be almost std desk size
[22:34] <elfy> knome: that's called a really extendable stool
[22:34] <knome> i have a relatively cozy office as well
[22:35] <knome> elfy, lol
[22:35] <knome> but i don't have much wallspace, i have my record shelves here
[22:35] <balloons> lol elfu
[22:35] <knome> and the boardgame cabinet
[22:35] <elfy> my desk is in the corner of the living room - need to have comfy chairs too
[22:35] <balloons> ahh yes. boardgames are in the other room
[22:35] <knome> i like the mancaviness of this room though
[22:35] <balloons> i played so many boardgames over the holidays.. quite nice
[22:36] <knome> and i don't need anything too fancy
[22:36] <knome> this table has just been here for ever
[22:36] <knome> well, here
[22:36] <knome> and the previous apartment
[22:36] <balloons> yep. simple simple. a comfy chair is a must ofc
[22:36] <knome> and my room in my childhood home
[22:36] <knome> a comfy wooden top kitchen chair it is then ;)
[22:36] <knome> good for the buttocks
[22:36] <knome> ;)=
[22:36] <balloons> :p
[22:37] <knome> tbe, this is a better chair than many office chairs i've sat in during my life
[22:37] <knome> and doesn't allow you to sit for hours and hours - which is a plus...
[22:37] <balloons> mm.. forces, nay "enables" you to take breaks
[22:37] <balloons> good idea
[22:38] <balloons> speakning of which, the sun is setting, i must get a walk in
[22:38] <knome> and i'm also lazy to find a good office chair
[22:38] <knome> and they are rare here
[22:38] <knome> looked for one today as well but.. nah
[22:38] <balloons> they are $$ here as anywhere i'd guess
[22:38] <balloons> i use what i have on hand
[22:38] <knome> true, but also hard hard to find
[22:38] <knome> i can't buy a regular office chair
[22:38] <knome> they'll tear apart in no time
[22:39] <balloons> i've gone through several hand me downs that way
[22:39] <knome> have been too lazy to do exercise as well i guess :P
[22:39] <knome> lazy is the keyword
[22:39] <knome> the main reason i want to change my desk
[22:39] <balloons> ahh.. don't get too lazy, but do enjoy friday night :-)
[22:40] <knome> it makes a "knack" sound when i lay my hand on it
[22:40] <knome> ARGH!
[22:40] <knome> try to focus here
[22:42] <elfy> a chair that causes you to get up and wander off is a good thing imo
[22:42] <knome> yep
[22:42] <elfy> I'd never move ...
[22:42] <knome> and at the same time, which gives you *good* support for your back
[22:42] <knome> this definitely does it
[22:43] <knome> and we actually just went and bought two more of these today
[22:43] <knome> now we have 6, so enough to fill our extended kitchen table
[22:43] <elfy> room for elfy for an evening then :D
[22:43] <knome> but we normally don't use >4 chairs, so i can keep one here without carrying it around all the time
[22:43] <knome> lol
[22:43] <knome> always room for elfy
[22:43] <elfy> ha ha - good planning there
[22:43] <elfy> one day knome :)
[22:43] <knome> and here's what i think is the awesome thing
[22:44] <knome> i've always hated when friends come over
[22:44] <knome> and one sits in the comfy office chair
[22:44] <knome> and tells the friend "get a chair"
[22:44] <knome> now when i tell them that, they get to match my chair
[22:44] <knome> so nobody in the comfy chair
[22:44] <elfy> :)
[22:44] <knome> equality++
[22:45] <knome> and i can't stress this enough, these are awesome chairs
[22:45] <elfy> :)
[22:45] <knome> https://masku.com/storage/12/media/2014/08/merlyn-tuoli-pz-hkinz.jpg
[22:45] <knome> that back support is just how it should for me
[22:45] <elfy> oh yea - like that
[22:45] <knome> which is rare given my weird back
[22:46] <elfy> I try not to sit back tbh - sit as vertical as I can
[22:46] <knome> well i *try* to sit ergonomically
[22:46] <knome> and then i end up in a C-shaped position
[22:46] <elfy> too much slouching for me leads to crashing on the floor screaming - not the best :p
[22:46] <knome> lol
[22:47] <Patrickdk> http://www.lovesac.com/sacs/supersac/owl-phur-supersac-package.html
[22:47] <Patrickdk> I worked on one of those for 2 months
[22:47] <Patrickdk> I didn't leave it for anything
[22:47] <elfy> neither would I :)
[22:48] <knome> ouch
[22:48] <knome> that shouts back pain to me
[22:48] <knome> i'm sure it's comfy and all but...
[22:48] <Patrickdk> I don't have back pain
[22:48] <Patrickdk> only shoulder pain
[22:48] <elfy> mind you - if I'd been on the floor screaming I probably couldn't get out :)
[22:48] <knome> i do - even without that :D
[22:48] <elfy> ha
[22:51] <elfy> http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/20141209191523.php
[22:51] <elfy> old photo - no baccy anywhere anymore :p
[22:52] <knome> ooh, extending shelf
[22:52] <knome> i just thought that would be cool if i actually liked books
[22:52] <knome> :P
[22:52] <elfy> heh
[22:52] <knome> too much stuff here now
[22:53] <knome> but i'll take a photo when i get the new desk from the storehouse
[22:53] <elfy> I've got through 3 of those desk bits in 2 years
[22:53] <knome> and have cleaned up :P
[22:53] <knome> ouch...
[22:53] <elfy> ha ha
[22:53] <knome> so is it falling of the shelf?
[22:53] <elfy> £40 or so
[22:53] <knome> or what happens
[22:53] <elfy> nope - they collapse in the middle - not real wood - ikea ;)
[22:54] <knome> ohh
[22:54] <knome> dang
[22:54] <knome> i don't think my new desk (or the current definitely not) is real wood either
[22:54] <elfy> well - one was perhaps my fault - it is a desk and not a step ladder
[22:54] <knome> but sure, it doesn't get the weight like that
[22:54] <knome> this one has a supporting steel bar
[22:54] <knome> which i suppose helps
[22:54] <elfy> one elfy knee - one collapsed desk
[22:54] <knome> ugh
[22:54] <knome> :D
[22:55] <elfy> one shouting elfy :)
[22:55] <knome> yep
[22:55] <knome> or in other words
[22:55] <knome> desk 1 - elfy 0
[22:55] <knome> that armchair does look good
[22:55] <knome> not quite my style, but close
[22:56] <knome> someday i will buy a stylish black leather armchair
[22:56] <elfy> I love that chair and the other and the 8' sofa
[22:56] <knome> and a stool
[22:56] <knome> that'll finish off my office
[22:56] <knome> but that day might be in 10 years
[22:56] <knome> nonetheless
[22:57] <elfy> free (ish) xmas bonus from an old boss - only person to make me feel small
[22:57] <knome> :)
[22:57] <knome> nice
[22:57] <elfy> only chairs I have ever really been comfortable in :)


[17:48] <douglas> Trying to install lubuntu on a raspberrypi via ethernet. I can get to a login with SSH but can't get logged in. Anybody know user and password I can try.
[17:50] <douglas> Anybody?


[14:13] <Iamthehuman12> You're the chef OvenWerks. Just hit me up if you need anything.
[14:29] <Iamthehuman12> This system is behaving like it were not very deterministic at all, so I think I'll do a clean reinstall. I've come to the conclusion that buying Aptik license is not enough alone. I need to also figure out clearly which settings I want to be restored on the target system and which ones are best left for manual reconfiguration because of suspect messy state of the source system. These two together will enable me to do a pain-free
[14:29] <Iamthehuman12> migration to a clean install, which I was prlly gonna do anyways in 2022-04.
[14:32] <Iamthehuman12> I had TB3 security set to "no security", now I set it to a proper level and installed the thunderbolt userspace tools i.e. tbtadm and authorized the TB3 dock forever (this was required for the USB devices to appear in lsusb). That "no security" is risky shit coz the TB3 devices have DMA i.e. they can read and write to memory as far as I understand it.
[14:32] <Iamthehuman12> oh and excusez mon français. I forgot


[07:25] <ssbpls> hello
[07:25] <ssbpls> i come to a problem with the installation of my ubuntu studio
[07:27] <ssbpls> i am going to install the ubuntu studio 11.04, when i come to the step of select and install the software, it failed. so i just install the base system, when i boot up, it just has the text mode and didn't install  the gnome
[07:36] <ssbpls> ???
[13:29] <bartje> hi guys, I've got a bit of a mistery here, jack just won't start in ubuntu 11.10 beta 64 bit... on my 32 bit system it does work though.
[13:30] <holstein> the bigger mystery is, why do you have both ;)
[13:30] <bartje> lol, two different machines
[13:30] <holstein> bartje: try gksudo qjackctl just to be sure its not permissions
[13:31] <holstein> bartje: the same audio hardware? the same interface?
[13:31] <bartje> hm, won't start
[13:31] <holstein> bartje: what interface?
[13:31] <bartje> it's as if the driver doesn't find my audiofire12
[13:31] <holstein> you have *lots* of differences between those machines other than the OS
[13:32] <holstein> the firewire chipset can prevent JACK from starting
[13:32] <bartje> I used the same soundcard
[13:32] <holstein> the audiofire?
[13:32] <bartje> it used to work in 11.04
[13:32] <bartje> yes
[13:32] <holstein> it uses a firewire controller though
[13:33] <holstein> bartje: i would get a live CD, and confirm the hardware works
[13:33] <holstein> something like AVLinux
[13:33] <bartje> but the alsa driver doesn't want to start either, for the onboard soundcard
[13:33] <holstein> did you reinstall JACK?
[13:33] <bartje> oh yes, twice.. lol
[13:34] <bartje> I also followed the wiki to add raw1394 to the modules to be loaded
[13:34] <bartje> the wiki on linuxmusicians
[13:36] <holstein> sure, but you shouldnt need to do that
[13:36] <holstein> and that could break something in the newer version of ubuntu, who knows
[13:36] <bartje> didn't work without it either
[13:36] <holstein> i would still try with a live CD
[13:36] <holstein> the only way to really know is to either take a live CD, and try, or install 32bit ubuntu
[13:37] <holstein> you can look in the JACK messages
[13:37] <bartje> but how do I know what's wrong with the current system? it did work in 11.04
[13:37] <holstein> paste those in, and try and catch LAS or one of the JACK folks
[13:37] <holstein> bartje: if it works with a 32bit live CD, then you know whats up
[13:37] <holstein> i heard you had to use the older stack for that device
[13:38] <holstein> the juju stack wouldnt work
[13:38] <holstein> but, i thought 11.04 had that
[13:38] <holstein> i would put the firewire device down, try a live CD such as avlinux, and see if the other hardware workds
[13:38] <holstein> works*
[13:39] <bartje> ok... let's try :-)
[13:39] <holstein> what youve got now is a case where you could have broken something getting FW to work
[13:39] <holstein> OR, it could just be buntu
[13:40] <holstein> im a regular ubuntu supporter and user, and i would never use the non-LTS versions of ubuntustudio
[13:40] <holstein> thats just my personal preference though
[13:40] <holstein> not an excuse for why its not working
[13:41] <bartje> I also installed the ubuntustudio packages, aparently it added a second raw1394.rules file... hmm...
[13:42] <holstein> maybe, but, running gksudo qjackctl should get you around that
[13:42] <holstein> i do that as a test with my FW device
[13:42] <holstein> if it runs as root, then you can stop messing around with the hardware
[13:42] <bartje> even the dummy driver doesn't work
[13:43] <holstein> right, so thats something in the software
[13:43] <holstein> and you've been messing about with it, so im not sure if it came like that or not
[13:44] <bartje> it's only 2 things I've changed.. the .rules file, and the modules
[13:44]  * holstein shrugs
[13:44] <bartje> and reïnstalling jack of course
[13:44] <holstein> its defintely JACK though
[13:44] <holstein> or software
[13:45] <holstein> try #opensourcemusicians
[13:45] <bartje> I will, thx
[13:45] <holstein> i see las is out of town for a bit


[09:23] <alfredo> hi to all
[09:27] <alfredo> I've some problem in running SFTP server on my ubuntu machine...is there anyone to help me out...


[08:37] <mup> Bug #1763220 changed: [2.4, UI, vanilla] Compose pod action form has misplaced buttons <vanilla-transition> <MAAS:Fix Released by ya-bo-ng> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1763220>
[10:28] <mup> Bug #1765661 opened: mode argument missing from snap <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1765661>
[10:31] <mup> Bug #1765661 changed: mode argument missing from snap <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1765661>
[10:43] <mup> Bug #1765661 opened: mode argument missing from snap <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1765661>
[15:28] <mup> Bug #1765751 opened: django.db.utils.OperationalError: could not serialize access due to concurrent update during "migrate-conflicting-options" <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1765751>
[15:39] <Hey> When deploying,, is there a way to change the timeout?
[15:39] <Hey> at the moment it's set to 40 minutes
[15:41] <roaksoax> Hey: no
[15:41] <roaksoax> not for deployment
[16:30] <Hey> roaksoax: so essentially, in order to do a custom install, custom images can't be too big
[16:30] <Hey> at the moment, ddtgz file is 50gb
[16:36] <roaksoax> yeah , we don't install iamges that big. our largest image is probably just 4/5 gigs
[16:51] <Hey> roaksoax: any issue if I adjust the 'NODE_STATUS.COMMISSIONING' in node_status.py to say 60 ?
[17:19] <roaksoax> Hey: gfor commissioning maas has internal checks that checks if things are in progress as expected, so even if you change the timeout, it may not result in waht you expect
[17:19] <roaksoax> Hey: you can increase the timeout for deployment though
[17:38] <Hey> roaksoax: I increased it, checking to see if it will accept my image.
[19:17] <mup> Bug #1765816 opened: [2.4, UI] Changing Proxy settings to 'Use Peer Proxy' do not work <MAAS:Triaged by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1765816>
[19:17] <ananke> say I want to reshuffle interfaces on my main maas controller (which acts as both region and rack controller). other than changing the setup on the underlying OS and in mass setup on the controller interface, is there anything else I need to do?
[19:20] <ananke> and another semi-related question. I'll be switching idracs from shared to dedicated mode on my nodes. will mass automatically detect the change if I boot the nodes manually?
[21:41] <Hey> roaksoax: when I add a image resource through : maas maas boot-resources create name="whatever"
[21:41] <Hey> is the "name" important?
[22:01] <Hey> name should be os/release id