[02:41] <elky> um... -ot discussion is... well... not really pleasant
[02:42] <elky> "leaf-sheep> Girls love ropes. Especially the one they can't break out." etc
[03:40] <MenZa> vavar in #ubuntu's got a bit of an attitude; it's nothing serious yet, but I'd like to have someone with #ubuntu access around if they persist.
[03:44] <MenZa> Seems to be fine.
[04:31] <MenZa> tonyyarusso: Would you say that was the correct course of action in -ot?
[04:32] <elky> MenZa, the correct course, or the politically correct course?
[04:32] <MenZa> elky: :P
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> MenZa: seems to have worked, so, yes?
[04:34] <MenZa> tonyyarusso: so would a +b, but I doubt that'd be considered 'correct course'
[04:34] <MenZa> knowing aubade, he wouldn'tve stopped unless I flexed my muscles a bit, so I went for that approach.
[04:34] <MenZa> alright, cheers.
[04:34]  * MenZa goes back to perusing #ubuntu
[04:34] <tonyyarusso> meh
[04:35] <elky> although opping up is a last resort thing, not something you do to frame a factoid
[04:35]  * MenZa nods
[04:35] <MenZa> I'll keep that in mind
[05:45] <MenZa> bazhang: Would creating a HFS+ partition be an issue? I mean, as long as there's no specific support on the actual installation or configuration of the software itself, it's just a partition
[05:45] <MenZa> Technically you can run a Linux system off HFS+
[05:46] <MenZa> (According to the Ultimate Source of Truth)
[05:46] <bazhang> MenZa, if he were to be installing on a Mac, not as far as I know; he has admitted however to wanting to use hackintosh
[05:46] <MenZa> bazhang: Still, though. There's no point in bringing it back up, though.
[05:48] <bazhang> MenZa, my inclination is to ask him to desist; if senior operators wish to correct me (wrt hackintosh)
[05:50] <tonyyarusso> I haven't seen the conversation, but I'll chime in that I would be inclined to agree that hackintosh discussion is outside of our guidelines.  Although there is some grey area there, for instance if what they're asking about is how to dual-boot Ubuntu on their hackintosh...  Dunno about that one.
[05:51] <bazhang> he was asking how to install iacktos v7 on an amd computer
[06:15] <MenZa> In my lastlog, all I saw were references to create a HFS+ partition. I'd be inclined to agree with youf if I'd seen that :)
[06:32] <nalioth> hackintosh is off topic (it violates agreements)
[10:41] <Alvinware> why i have been banned again just after a day of my lifted ban?
[10:42] <Alvinware> I didn't done any things wrong.
[10:42] <Alvinware> please answer me.
[10:44] <Flannel> Alvinware: Your ban wasn't lifted
[10:44] <Alvinware> why?
[10:44] <Alvinware> It were lifted at yesterday.
[10:45] <Flannel> Alvinware: Because it wasn't lifted yet.  The standard reason for it not being lifted would be: you haven't discussed your behavior to the operator's satisfaction.
[10:46] <Alvinware> you're wrong.
[10:50] <Alvinware> who banned me again? is it ikonia?
[10:50] <jussi01> Alvinware: just a moment please
[10:52] <Flannel> Alright, seems to be that one of your bans was missed yesterday, let me go ahead and remove it.
[10:52] <jussi01> DOne
[10:52] <Flannel> er, let jussi01 beat me to removing it
[10:52] <jussi01> Alvinware: feel free to join #ubuntu, but please remember the guidelines
[10:52] <Flannel> Alvinware: Double check that you can join #ubuntu now please
[10:53] <Alvinware> thank you.
[11:07] <ikonia> sorry chaps, I thought I'd got them all for him
[11:07] <Flannel> ikonia: No worries
[11:07] <ikonia> he had some many because he was ban dodging
[11:07] <Flannel> I jsut didn't see anything in the lastlog, and ubottu on the internet was being slow
[11:23] <jussi01> !away > heroid
[11:26] <ikonia> I'm coming to the point where I am want freenode to take action against the archlinux-offtopic trolls
[11:26] <ikonia> they are posting spam links in #ubuntu for fun
[15:43] <Tm_T> ikonia: slap st-aff
[16:08]  * genii-around sips
[16:20] <Tm_T> ikonia: if you have logs'n'stuff, I would like to read them aswell
[17:49] <MenZa> As would I
[17:59] <ikonia> Tm_T: MenZa it's been going on for ages, they discuss it in #archlinux-offtopic then do it for a laugh in #ubuntu, just ban them now each time they do something as it's pointless giving them the benifit of the doubt when they are discussing/laughing about doing it in #archlinux-offtopic
[18:00] <MenZa> ikonia: Any common themes, anything to look out for in particular?
[18:01] <ikonia> nope
[18:01] <MenZa> hm
[18:01] <ikonia> they are in #archlinux-offtopic - talk about doing things LIKe TALKINg LIKe THIs To ANNOy PEOPLe
[18:01] <ikonia> or posting their blog llinks
[18:01] <ikonia> that sort of thing
[18:02] <MenZa> right
[18:02]  * MenZa is now in #archlinux-offtopic to spot trouble.
[18:02] <ikonia> or "ubuntu suck"
[18:02] <ikonia> the list is endless
[18:02] <Myrtti> they've given the whole distribution a bad name in my books
[18:03] <ikonia> very much
[18:03] <Pici> Myrtti: mine too
[18:03] <ikonia> more so when some of them are supposed to be active developers
[18:03] <ikonia> I'm actually a little dissapointed in freenode not taking action against this, but I'm sure they have their reasons
[18:04]  * Pici looks at their channel topic
[18:04] <MenZa> I noticed this also
[18:05]  * Pici tucks away the window where it wont be annoying
[18:05] <MenZa> ikonia: There's not really a lot to do to a channel like that collectively, I guess.
[18:05] <ikonia> to be honest - I don't care about that, they can be loser with their topic/rules, but the attacking other channels it not acceptable
[18:05] <MenZa> Pici: Mine's resting nicely in /window 84
[18:05] <Pici> MenZa: 50 here
[18:05] <Pici> well, 49 now.
[18:05] <MenZa> heh
[18:06]  * MenZa gives Pici the massage he's earned for his pdpc mask.
[18:06] <ikonia> not everyone wears the mask ;)
[18:06] <Myrtti> I think I might've forgotten my powerbrick at my sisters - I'm pissed
[18:07] <MenZa> ikonia: I'm, alas, stuck at student. Still, I feel happy for contributing.
[18:08] <MenZa> ikonia: Also, I was thinking, perhaps the IRCC could make contact with the #arch-ot channel leaders and point out the issue?
[18:08] <Pici> I like the alliteration in mine.
[18:10] <MenZa> It's just an odd idea, though. I guess sending an e-mail signed by the IRCC might have an affect.
[18:10] <MenZa> I'm pretty sure if complaints were sent from the ##windows folk to our IRCC, they'd take action immediately.
[18:13] <nalioth> MenZa: any contact should be directed at Archlinux itself, not " #archlinux-offtopic channel leaders "
[18:16] <MenZa> I assumed they were the same people.
[18:16] <MenZa> and that arch-ot was an official channel of the Archlinux project.
[18:18] <nalioth> oh, it is an "official channel", but they may not structure their project's irc space like we do
[18:18] <Pici> And the current channel operators don't seem to be doing anything about the issue, obviously.
[18:19] <MenZa> nalioth: point.
[18:19] <MenZa> Pici: An official inquiry might change that.
[18:21] <nalioth> MenZa: to the mother ship
[18:28] <MenZa> \o/
[20:15] <Flannel> yay ban evading
[20:15] <Flannel> 119.11.* would probably be too vague?
[20:15] <Flannel> hmm
[20:16] <mneptok> Flannel: he doesn't change ident
[20:16] <Flannel> Aye
[20:17] <Flannel> mneptok: Darn you for mentioning it
[20:18] <Flannel> what about .4.* and .5.*?
[20:20] <mneptok> that looks like it would get him, given /lastlog
[20:20] <Flannel> Yeah, but acceptable splash?
[20:21] <mneptok> there's no one else from those netmasks, given /lastlog
[20:21] <Flannel> alright
[20:25] <KB1JWQ> Flannel: Why'd you kick lyons?
[20:25] <Flannel> KB1JWQ: Because he's the same guy whos been trolling
[20:26] <KB1JWQ> How sure are we of that?
[20:26] <Flannel> (and ban evading)
[20:26] <KB1JWQ> I'm not arguing, just asking. :-)
[20:26] <KB1JWQ> He just whined in #freenode.
[20:27] <lyons> Hi. I just got banned from #ubuntu as soon as I joined. Freenode told me to ask in here
[20:29] <lyons> hello?
[20:30] <mneptok> lyons: did you use the nick "Krudd" today?
[20:30] <lyons> krudd? lol no
[20:30] <lyons> i just woke up
[20:30] <mneptok> well, there is a persistent troll from your netblock.
[20:30] <lyons> they told me it's cause i have a dymaic ip
[20:30] <lyons> whatever that is
[20:30] <mneptok> this person keeps getting a new IP lease and using it to ban evade.
[20:30] <lyons> how do i get a static ip so i can join?
[20:31] <mneptok> talk to yuor ISP.
[20:31] <mneptok> *youer
[20:31] <mneptok> thasdewrga bhrs d
[20:31] <mneptok> Y O U R
[20:31] <lyons> then i can join?
[20:31] <mneptok> not necessarily. the static IP may be in the same netblock that is banned to keep the troll out.
[20:31] <lyons> i don't really get it, but i didn't do anything lol
[20:32] <lyons> can I ask you about my problem or what?
[20:32] <lyons> hmm well there is a lot of ppl that use my isp. is it all banned?
[20:32] <lyons> like 1/4 of australia lolz
[20:33] <mneptok> well, someone using your ISP is causing majpor problems in #ubuntu. and keeps ban-evading.
[20:33] <lyons> yeah man but I didn't do anything myself
[20:33] <Flannel> lyons: Alright, give me a second to remove the ban, we'll see what we can do.
[20:33] <lyons> ok thanks
[20:33] <lyons> or if you could just help me here maybe?
[20:34] <lyons> is that allowed?
[20:34] <Flannel> lyons: Try joining #ubuntu
[20:34] <lyons> says "You are banned"
[20:34] <Flannel> Oh wait, thats because I...
[20:34] <lyons> i have to go to school soon lolz
[20:35] <lyons> i just need to fix this gnome thing
[20:35] <mneptok> lyons: in my experience, it's easier to type . than lolz
[20:35] <lyons> huh?
[20:35] <Flannel> lyons: Try again
[20:35] <lyons> ya it worked
[20:35] <lyons> can i ask in there now?
[20:36] <Flannel> lyons: yes
[20:36] <lyons> ok i did . thanks
[20:40] <lyons> I can't rest until the whole ISP is banned forever
[20:40] <lyons> please help
[20:40] <lyons> it would really piss off so many ppl
[20:41] <lyons> ubuntu geeks at school
[20:41] <lyons> i told them they would be banned today. And they will LOLZ
[20:41] <mneptok> !lol
[20:41] <lyons> LOL
[20:41] <lyons> ban the ISP
[20:41] <lyons> forever please
[20:42] <mneptok> not happening. anything else?
[20:42] <lyons> Fedora rules.  Fedora is the best0rz
[20:43] <Myrtti> strike 1
[20:43] <mneptok> angerfinn
[20:43] <Pici> Flannel: poing
[20:43] <Flannel> Pici: aye
[20:46] <Flannel> Pici: the suspense is killing me
[20:46] <Pici> Flannel: oh, I just wanted to make sure you saw that recent stuff about lyons
[20:47] <Flannel> Yeah, nothing important he didn't already say in a query
[20:47] <Flannel> well, at least about trying to get the B banned
[20:47] <Flannel> not the school/fedora stuff, but that's not important
[20:48] <Pici> Flannel: I saw you were adjusting modes while he was talking in here, just was trying to get your attention to this channel.
[20:48] <Flannel> Mhmm.  Just clearing out the redundant individual bans
[20:48] <Pici> ah
[20:48] <Pici> okay, nevermind then.
[20:49] <Flannel> silly trolls, trix are for kids.
[21:06] <jussi01_> Evening all
[21:22] <Myrtti> [23:21] < Ninja67> m33 mtl cherche femme qui aime ubuntu et qui veullent  parler
[21:23] <ikonia> ?
[22:00] <mneptok> Myrtti: "i'm in Montreal and i'm looking for a woman that loves Ubuntu and wants to talk"
[22:01] <ikonia> ????
[22:03] <mneptok> ikonia: is my translation incorrect?
[22:03] <ikonia> no idea
[22:13] <Veinor> So apparently I got banned somehow.
[22:13] <ikonia> Veinor: ho, thanks for joining
[22:13] <ikonia> I'm just looking now
[22:13] <Veinor> Kay.
[22:14] <ikonia> Veinor: interesting I'm not seeing anything that should be banning you
[22:14] <Veinor> Yeah.
[22:15] <Veinor> hmm.
[22:15] <ikonia> Veinor: I assume you are using the same ip/connection as your veinor_ connection in #ubuntu ?
[22:15] <Veinor> I have a theory.
[22:15] <Veinor> BRB.
[22:15] <ikonia> ok
[22:15] <mneptok> @login
[22:16] <ikonia> Veinor: resolved ?
[22:16] <Veinor> Found it.
[22:16] <ikonia> I'm going to need someone with access to #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-server in a minute I feel
[22:16] <Veinor> Gotta change my real_name.
[22:16] <ikonia> Veinor: could you explain
[22:16] <ikonia> Veinor: ahhh I missed that
[22:17] <ikonia> well spotted, sorry
[22:17] <Veinor> Yeah.
[22:17] <Veinor> THanks for helping anyway.
[22:17] <ikonia> thank you for changing it
[22:17] <Veinor> no problem. Later.
[22:18] <ikonia> bye
[22:58] <ikonia> I must sleep now, I feel keeping an eye on #ubuntu-server and #ubuntu-devel prudent with xcdfgkjhgcv's presense in them.
[23:36] <Pici> !staff
[23:37] <Pici> Got a lot of bots hanging out in #ubuntu-unregged
[23:37] <Pici> thanks to whoever


[00:19] <elementofone> !ops
[00:19] <shadeslayer> what
[00:19] <shadeslayer> elementofone: whats up
[04:59] <top> as
[04:59] <top> ZX
[05:03] <AmnesiaHaze> any chance anyone knows anything about setting up port knocking on ssh?
[05:04] <Unit193> AmnesiaHaze: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-port-knocking-to-hide-your-ssh-daemon-from-attackers-on-ubuntu
[05:21] <AmnesiaHaze> Unit193,     followed still doesnt seem to open
[05:22] <mefisto_> after upgrade to 14.10 I have dependency problems. Can anyone suggest what I should do? http://paste.kde.org/pnyeh2cl3
[05:30] <valorie> mefisto_: did you have any suspicious/rare PPAs installed before the upgrade?
[05:31] <mefisto_> valorie: well I had PPAs. they're all suspicious, right?
[05:31] <valorie> wow, that is indeed dependency hell
[05:32] <valorie> kubuntu-ppa should all be fine
[05:32] <valorie> others sometimes cause problems
[05:32] <valorie> however, it looks as if you got an incomplete upgrade for some reason
[05:33] <valorie> can you run `sudo apt update && sudo apt install full-upgrade` and see what happens?
[05:33] <valorie> I actually encountered some dependency problems in my upgrade as well, but that fixed it for me
[05:34] <mefisto_> apt install full-upgrade ??
[05:35] <valorie> yes, please just copy/paste the whole line
[05:35] <valorie> everything between the ticks
[05:35] <mefisto_> E: Unable to locate package full-upgrade
[05:35] <valorie> pfff
[05:36] <valorie> you ran `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`
[05:36] <valorie> just like that?
[05:36] <valorie> oh shoot
[05:36] <valorie> I mistyped
[05:36] <valorie> my goof
[05:37] <mefisto_> same errors as what I pasted
[05:37] <valorie> damn
[05:38] <Unit193> He'd want  apt-get install -f or dpkg --configure -a
[05:38] <Unit193> 14.10, with udev that old? Nah, it's 208.
[05:38] <Unit193> 204 was trusty, iirc.
[05:39] <valorie> Unit193: he did install -f
[05:39] <valorie> I was about to head to dpkg
[05:39] <valorie> poor old thing gave up, evidently
[05:43] <valorie> so mefisto_, did you see what Unit193 said above?
[05:44] <valorie> `dpkg --configure -a`
[05:44] <valorie> should allow you to configure all those unconfigured bits
[05:47] <mefisto_> valorie: no, dpkg gave the same kind of errors
[05:48] <valorie> how did you initiate this upgrade?
[05:48] <valorie> did you update 14.04 first?
[05:49] <mefisto_> yes i updated 14.04, then did sudo do-release-upgrade
[05:53] <valorie> ok
[05:53] <valorie> please try do-release-upgrade again
[05:54]  * valorie crosses fingers for luck
[05:55] <valorie> full-upgrade should have uninstalled anything that needed to be gone, old versions and such
[05:56] <mefisto_> No new release found
[05:57] <valorie> grrrr
[05:58] <valorie> any ideas, smart people of the channel?
[05:58] <valorie> besides clean install
[06:19] <scottn_work> Seems to be more activity now so going to try this question again - Just upgraded to 14.10 and on my laptop with an Intel graphics card getting this error - intel_set_pixmap_bo: size of buffer object does not match constraints: size=4096, must be greater than 8192, but less than 67108864. Google searching just gives me two wayland related entries. Anyone have any idea how to fix this?
[06:19] <scottn_work> I'm using X, not wayland.
[06:23] <valorie> right, wayland is not ready for prime time yet
[06:24] <valorie> we KDE/Kubuntu do not use wayland yet
[06:25] <scottn_work> I'm getting this error using X. It's a staight upgrade from 14.04 to 14.10.
[06:26] <valorie> def. sounds like a driver problem
[06:26] <valorie> scottn_work: try alt+f2, then type driver
[06:27] <valorie> it should suggest driver-manager
[06:27] <valorie> see if there is something else you can try
[06:27] <scottn_work> valorie: Comes up completely blank
[06:28] <valorie> !
[06:28] <valorie> it doesn't say "collecting information about your system" or close?
[06:29] <scottn_work> Says collecting information about your system and then goes blank. Stays open so not crashing per se.
[06:29] <valorie> that is mighty strange
[06:29] <valorie> !graphics
[06:29] <valorie> pfff
[06:30] <valorie> !drivers
[06:30] <valorie> well, ubottu, you are disappointing to me
[06:30] <valorie> !intell
[06:30] <valorie> oops
[06:30] <valorie> !intel
[06:30] <valorie> nope
[06:31] <scottn_work> The laptop is one of those dual driver things - intel + Geforce 310M CUDA. Before upgrading desktop effects were working fine with the intel. Now no desktop effects. It didn't find the nvidia card under either 14.04 or 14.10.
[06:32] <valorie> !nvidia
[06:32] <valorie> there is some nvidia issues, I've heard
[06:32] <valorie> scottn_work: did you choose lightdm, or sddm?
[06:32] <scottn_work> [  1056.646] (II) LoadModule: "intel"
[06:32] <scottn_work> [  1056.646] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
[06:32] <scottn_work> [  1056.647] (II) Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[06:32] <scottn_work> [  1056.647]    compiled for 1.16.0, module version = 2.99.914
[06:32] <scottn_work> [  1056.647]    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[06:32] <scottn_work> [  1056.647]    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 18.0
[06:32] <unopaste> scottn_work you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[06:33] <valorie> scottn_work: please investigate that page that ubottu served you while you are muted
[06:33] <valorie> I can be of no further help about drivers, unfortunately
[06:34] <scottn_work> valorie: lightdm - it was only six lines... OK. Won't do that again. Here is is - http://paste.ubuntu.com/8729184/
[06:34] <scottn_work> So definitely finds the intel
[06:34] <scottn_work> valorie: OK. Thanks for your help.
[06:34] <valorie> I got it, but don't know anything about drivers
[06:34] <valorie> beyond getting ubottu to cough up some hairballs
[06:35] <valorie> lightdm should be less trouble, for now, until whatever the nvidia stuff is fixed for sddm
[06:37] <scottn_work> valorie: I am using lightdm
[06:37] <valorie> good
[06:38] <valorie> sddm is working for me, but I have no driver issues
[06:55] <hyper_ch> after last nights updates, my ethernet connection ceased working
[06:58] <valorie> last night's updates to what, hyper_ch?
[06:58] <hyper_ch> utopic
[06:58] <hyper_ch> there were 4-5 small files.... didn't seem network related
[06:58] <valorie> hmmm
[06:58] <valorie> I have utopic as well
[06:58] <hyper_ch> had ethernet last night at home
[06:58] <hyper_ch> worked fine
[06:58] <valorie> I'll go get an ethernet cable
[06:58] <hyper_ch> updated, powered off this morning to get to work
[06:59] <hyper_ch> and now at work - no ethernet connection. tried also different cables
[06:59] <valorie> ewww
[06:59] <hyper_ch> wifi works fine
[06:59] <valorie> nmcli might be your friend
[06:59] <valorie> rather clumsy to use, but it will work
[07:00] <hyper_ch> updates from yesterday http://paste.debian.net/129189/
[07:01] <hyper_ch> the systray applet sees when cable is plugged in and when not... just not connection is being established
[07:03] <valorie> hyper_ch: I think that is the wrong paste
[07:04] <valorie> my cable is immediately detected, and connected
[07:04] <hateball> hyper_ch: what does mii-tool say
[07:05] <valorie> so I wonder if it is connected to your updates
[07:06] <hyper_ch> valorie:
[07:06] <hyper_ch> no, that's the right paste... with the updates from last night
[07:06] <hyper_ch> before it worked... and this morning it didn't anymore after reboot
[07:06] <hyper_ch> hateball: waht's mii-tool?
[07:07] <hateball> hyper_ch: used in terminal, shows info on your network cards etc
[07:07] <hateball> thus, more trustworthy than gui things ;p
[07:08] <hyper_ch> mii-tool
[07:08] <hyper_ch> no MII interfaces found
[07:08] <hateball> !sudo
[07:08] <hyper_ch> root@subi:~# mii-tool
[07:08] <hyper_ch> no MII interfaces found
[07:08] <hateball> ;f
[07:10] <hyper_ch> strange.... I plugged in again and now it works... before it couldn't establish a connection for 3 minutes and 1 reboot
[07:10] <hyper_ch> and mii-tool still say no interface found
[07:11] <hyper_ch> (also I wonder why the network card has a description of p2p1 instead of eth0)
[07:15] <soee> good morning
[07:15] <hateball> hyper_ch: you can have a look in  /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[07:16] <hateball> googling suggests there is some package called biosdevname making a mess of things. I thought that was only used in Fedora, guess it is here as well now
[07:17] <valorie> not installed here
[07:19] <hateball> ye I dunno, I havent played with 14.10 much yet, but 70-persistent-net.rules has been troublesome in the past
[07:21] <valorie> http://paste.kde.org/phnsqofyk
[08:09] <hyper_ch> hateball: thx for the info :)
[08:10] <hyper_ch> it's not a bother... just unexpected as I'm used to eth0/1/....
[09:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:13] <rishabh> #krita
[11:40] <kolp> hi, how do I update from 14.04 to 14.10 without installing systemd?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:47] <BluesKaj> kolp, systemd will install, but won't be used unless you set it up in grub
[11:49] <kolp> BluesKaj: why is it installed then?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> not my decision, that's canonical's
[11:50] <kolp> BluesKaj: right, thanks for the info
[11:50] <lordievader> kolp: In 14.10 systemd is only used by udev.
[11:51] <kolp> so 14.10 on't work without systemd?
[11:51] <shadeslayer> kolp: I do believe its installed so that people who want to try it out can do so easily
[11:51] <kolp> I thought that's what repositories are for :p
[11:54] <domi-nic> As my system appears to have been broken (three times in a row) by switching to NVideas 304 driver can someone give me a command line to switch back to X-orgs driver. The graphical interface no longer allows switching.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> well the debate begins
[11:55] <lordievader> kolp: It dosn't use systemd
[11:55] <BluesKaj> domi-nic, which nvidia gpu?
[11:56] <domi-nic> GeForce 520
[12:00] <B1nny> !plasma | b1nny
[12:00] <B1nny> !plasma5 | b1nny
[12:01] <BluesKaj> domi-nic, which kubuntu?
[12:02]  * BluesKaj shrugs, no patience
[12:43] <domi-nic> BluesKaj : We were just starting a conversation 10 mins ago about nvidia drivers and GeForce GT520 when my connection dropped out. What do you need to know?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> domi-nic, which kubuntu/
[12:44] <BluesKaj> ?
[12:46] <domi-nic_> gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0:10428 gdkpixbuf warning cannot open pixbufloader module
[12:47] <domi-nic_> this connection is flaky as well
[12:48] <BluesKaj> domi-nic_, you should be using the 331 as a minimmum driver with that gpu
[12:51] <domi-nic_> was doing on a previous install. but screen freezes (also the reason why I can't really use x-org server) linuxmint front page says to use 3.04 drivers to fix this.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> no, 3,04 is too old , check the page date
[12:53] <BluesKaj> are you on mint</
[12:54] <kolp> so, a fresh 14.10 installation doesn't run systemd as pid 1 (though there is systemd-* stuff), but apt-get remove systemd wants to remove all of KDE and more... oh dear
[12:54] <lordievader> kolp: Yes, like I said it's used by Udev.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> kolp, the best you can hope for is the state of systemd to remain as is
[12:55] <kolp> lordievader: yes, systemd-udev, I didn't grog it at the time
[12:55] <kolp> BluesKaj: not something I want to rely on :)
[12:56] <BluesKaj> kolp, well, not much choice unless you switch OSs that doesn't use systemd anywhere
[12:56] <kolp> I'll stick with 14.04 for now and move to something without systemd at some point...
[12:58] <BluesKaj> kolp, so you read the negative reports about systemd ...there's quite a debate about it alright
[12:58] <lordievader> Likely the state of sytemd in 14.10 won't change. 15.04 on the other hand...
[12:59] <kolp> yes, I've read quite a bit about systemd
[12:59] <BluesKaj> lordievader, well , so far systemd isn't booting 15.04
[12:59] <kolp> its not my cup of tea...
[13:03] <BluesKaj> I have negativ e feelings about systemd and pulseaudio etc, both Poettering written, a guy who's been looked at as a fifth column in Linux vs the big guys
[13:04] <BluesKaj> a spy in the house of love so to speak
[13:07] <kolp> that, and a massive pid 1 like systemd is an unnecessary risk
[13:22] <kolp> I hope the recent debian GR will be successful, then that'll be my OS of choice
[13:23] <kolp> s/OS/distro/
[13:29] <lordievader> Debian is also moving to systemd, that is why Ubuntu is moving.
[13:38] <kolp> lordievader: that's not certain, there is a recent move to make support for alternative init systems mandatory in debian
[14:03] <Roguehorse> =)
[14:06] <Roguehorse> What is the script that runs when I mount an external drive through Dolphin by clicking in the left panel?
[14:17] <BluesKaj>  /etc/fstab
[14:37] <Roguehorse> yeah, I did that..not the same thing
[14:38] <Roguehorse> that mounts the drive as ntfs...it's eSATA and pmount says it can't do it because it's not a removable drive
[14:39] <BluesKaj> ahh the network folder desktop entry
[14:39] <Roguehorse> bingo!
[14:40] <Roguehorse> Dolphin mounts the drive under the user directory with as 700 permissions...fstab attaches 777 permissions
[14:40] <BluesKaj> yes I have a similar setup, my external was setup with ssh in the network folder setup
[14:41] <lordievader> Gvfs is responsible for that, I believe.
[14:41] <Roguehorse> Dolphin doesn't specify the drive as ntfs as a result..the blue on green ascii highlighting in konsole is not there
[14:42] <Roguehorse> Ahh..a hint I can chase down
[14:44] <BluesKaj> i recently reformatted my external drive to ntfs from ext4 since it's now connected by usb to the network router, but I'm seriously considering moving it back to the media server pc
[14:45] <Peace-> BluesKaj: dev chan ?
[14:45] <Peace-> i forgot the name
[14:45] <BluesKaj> Peace-, kubuntu-devel
[14:45] <lordievader> !alis
[14:45] <Peace-> BluesKaj: thank you
[14:46] <Peace->
[14:48] <Roguehorse> I was chasing this down really quick last night and couldn't find a way to log the scripts run by actions through the file manager
[14:48] <Roguehorse> I'm not thrilled with the way /etc/fstab handles the drive
[14:50] <lordievader> Roguehorse: That's a question of configuration...
[14:53] <Roguehorse> Well, I like the way Dolphin handles the mounting and not so much how /etc/fstab does so I'd like to be able to emulate the script run by Dolphin at boot rather that configure /etc/fstab to automount the drive so I don't necessarily have to launch Dolphin and can go straight to konsole
[14:53] <Roguehorse> does that make sense?
[14:55] <lordievader> Roguehorse: No. If you want to mount things at boot time use fstab.
[15:02] <BluesKaj> or you can set it up in system settings>removable devices
[15:03] <Roguehorse> I tried the system setting>removable devices and it doesn't recongnize my drive
[15:04] <Roguehorse> in 13.10 I used to just nav to my drive in konsole and it would automount it for me
[15:04] <Roguehorse> that all stopped with 14.04
[15:05] <Roguehorse> I didn't have to configure fstab either
[15:11] <Roguehorse> Dolphin automatically creates a mount point with correct permissions, owner, and group then when umount(ing) it removes the directory as well ... all this happens under /media/user/
[15:13] <Roguehorse> if I can click on it and make this happen, I _should_ be able to also write a boot script and add it to system settings>startup & shutdown to emulate the process
[15:14] <lordievader> Roguehorse: Or you can configure fstab properly.
[15:15] <Roguehorse> LOL! Been there and done that..think _outside_ the box
[15:19] <irish_canon> anyone here
[15:20] <lordievader> irish_canon: See /names...
[15:20] <genii> irish_canon: Lots of people :) Best to just ask whatever your question is and see if someone takes up an answer to it
[15:20] <irish_canon> im trying you setup a system to do dictation using mozart
[15:21] <irish_canon> but not able to install it
[15:23] <genii> irish_canon: In Konsole, please do:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mozart       ...and then use pastebin to show us the output.
[15:23] <genii> Possibly some dependency issue if you have PPAs or such.
[15:25] <irish_canon> http://pastebin.com/bHAjdm5N
[15:26] <irish_canon> im thinking that PPAs are missing but dont know where to obtain them
[15:30] <genii> irish_canon: What is the result of: apt-cache policy mozart
[15:31] <genii> Please excuse lag, I'm at work and assisting as possible.
[15:35] <irish_canon> truth, dont know...
[15:36] <genii> irish_canon: It's another command to put into Konsole and then show us the output of :)
[15:48] <irish_canon> http://pastebin.com/MQyDdqjh
[15:52] <genii> Hm, all that so far looks normal.
[15:53] <genii> irish_canon: What happens if you try: sudo apt-get -f install
[15:54] <irish_canon> im using kubuntu andd want to set up a dictation system and ideas... mine was mozart but no love
[15:55] <irish_canon> http://pastebin.com/1Xu3M0Ek
[16:39] <archetech2> how do i set quassel to stop drap over popups
[16:40] <rww> what's a drap over?
[16:41] <archetech2> drag
[16:42] <archetech2> disable animations did it
[16:42] <archetech2> nope it happens when I mouse over the channel list
[17:32] <Walex> irish_canon: thats the kind of application that open source authors don't like to write, so there is not a lot to choose.
[17:59] <madeti2> I upgraded my 14.04 kubuntu to 14.10 and then switched to plasma5 through "next repo", it was working fine, but after a while the system became unresponsive, so I restarted
[17:59] <madeti2> now when I log in, after the splash screen, just a mouse cursor appear and nothing happens
[17:59] <madeti2> no desktop, no icons, no panel
[17:59] <madeti2> all black
[18:00] <madeti2> but if I log into guest account, it is working as it sould
[18:00] <madeti2> can anyone help me? or do I need to reinstall ?
[18:01] <BluesKaj> madeti2, ctl+alt+F1-F6, login, then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop
[18:03] <madeti2> BluesKaj: I won't be able to install anything from internet, because for that I have to first log into a portal (accessible through browser, am in college), anything else that can be done?
[18:04] <madeti2> i am currently running the laptop through a bootable pen drive
[18:05] <BluesKaj> madeti2, why plasma 5 anyway, it's full of bugs, not ready for real usage
[18:05] <BluesKaj> !plasma5
[18:07] <madeti2> BluesKaj: well I wanted to contribute to plasma 5, so i thought i should start by checking it out
[18:07] <BluesKaj> madeti2, I gave it 3 chances and it struck out
[18:10] <BluesKaj> madeti2, i'm not afraid to test new software, otherwise I wouldn't be running 15.04... that's all i have to say, otherwise I'll be chastised again by certan devs :)
[18:13] <BluesKaj> madeti2, and without proper access to the internet testing new software is definitley not going to be easy.
[18:13] <madeti2> :D
[19:47] <genry> hallo))))))
[19:48] <lordievader> o/
[19:49] <genry> Русские есть?
[19:49] <genii> !ru
[19:53] <lelamal> Hi all! When I check for updates, on Muon Update Manager, I'm told a new version of Kubuntu is available. Then I click on Upgrade, enter my password, but nothing happens. I try to copy/paste the command from the popup window on Konsole, and this is what it says: http://paste.kde.org/pfcgfyuwx
[19:53] <lelamal> What can I do to solve the problem?
[20:04] <genii> lelamal: You used the � character as part of a password ?
[20:09] <lelamal> genii: I can't see the character you typed, it appears to me just as an interrogation mark inside a black square
[20:12] <genii> From your paste it seems to be having an issue with that particular character which is \xab
[20:12] <genii> But from where it is coming, difficult to know
[20:13] <lelamal> Mmm, I see... and is there anything I can do to upgrade the system?
[20:14] <lelamal> I've been having this password for years, anyway, and never had any problem in upgrading.
[20:53] <janmalte> does some users have problems with their online banking using KMyMoney? Since a few days I get an SSL Handshake error and can't receive the data from the banking server
[21:32] <genii> janmalte: Perhaps a pastebin of the error you're experiencing might help
[21:39] <janmalte> genii: There is no error message, except a message, saying TSL Handshake error during requesting the info from the banking using AqBanking/HBCI
[21:53] <skinux> What is the best Anti-Virus software?
[21:56] <genii> skinux: It's not really required for linux machines. But if you think you might be passing one on to someone else, you can check out clamav
[22:08] <cdunn70000000000> hey can anyone help me im having issues installing a ati radeon hd 4250 propeitry driver
[22:08] <cdunn70000000000> on kubuntu 14.04
[22:12] <cdunn70000000000> anyone?
[22:15] <cdunn70000000000> ?
[22:50] <awaterme> hi guys, i need help, cant get my notebooks wifi running
[22:51] <awaterme> can anybody help?
[23:44] <valorie> awaterme: can you say more about what is happening?
[23:44] <valorie> can you see your wifi in the widget?
[23:45] <awaterme> I have the output from a wifi analysis script, I can paste it somewhere
[23:46] <awaterme> its a broadcom 4352 (quite new) and ubuntu 14.04.
[23:47] <awaterme> the wifi scans for networks, tries to connect to my network but cant connect.
[23:47] <awaterme> it keeps on asking for a password, but the password is correct.
[23:48] <awaterme> i had the wifi card working, but i dont know why. After a kernel update it was broken again, and now i am lost after trying out *everything*


[06:15] <DanRabbit> djsiegel1: my vote is this: At least switch "Home Folder" to "Home" the argument should be between "Home" and the short name. I agree that using "Home" would be better for documentation and in a lot of cases it would be easier to understand than the shortname. In my opinion, the only place the shortname should show up is when you are referring to the actual path (which we really shouldn't need to make the user aware of anyway
[15:58] <djsiegel> mac_v MDC1 DanRabbit DBO lamalex, check it out: http://davidsiegel.org/100papercuts-karmic-lucid/
[15:58] <djsiegel> let me know your thoughts
[15:58] <DBO> awesome djsiegel
[15:59] <DBO> djsiegel, spending three weeks on the karmic ones is kinda cool kinda suck
[15:59] <djsiegel> yeah I know
[16:00] <DBO> the paper jam concept is great however
[16:00] <DBO> I like that
[16:00] <djsiegel> Was calling it "Deep Cuts" but ivanka suggested "Paper Jam" because it was "starting to sound like a slasher film"
[16:00] <djsiegel> lol
[16:56] <DanRabbit> djsiegel: looks good :) I like Paper Jam too :)
[18:51] <MDC1> djsiegel, sounds good - but looks like this one is more about applications rather than the complete "desktop" - maybe one jam should focus about the general desktop experience?
[18:51] <MDC1> oh.. crap, he wasn't online... i'll post it later :)
[19:10] <mac_v> djsiegel1: hey , the compiz settings was scheduled for alpha1 by mpt but the compiz paperjam is for round 9... might wanna have a look at ;)
[19:12] <ScottK> djsiegel1: Your papercuts proposal seems mostly very application specific and not the more general function based approach we discussed at UDS.
[19:13] <djsiegel1> ScottK: I agree, let's chat about it.
[19:13] <djsiegel1> Can you propose some topics for Paper Jams?
[19:13] <ScottK> Let me consider it.
[19:13] <djsiegel1> They don't have any bugs yet, so we can change them, this was just my proposal.
[19:14] <djsiegel1> I understand where you're coming from -- wanting to fix paper cuts that will benefit Kubuntu too, but I just need your help identifying them.
[19:17] <mac_v> djsiegel1: KDE is 1 bug per round right?
[19:18] <djsiegel1> There's no limit, at least 1 would be great
[19:18] <djsiegel1> ScottK, why don'
[19:18] <ScottK> mac_v: That was how we did it before.  The discussion at UDS was about the idea of getting away from DE specific definitions.
[19:18] <mac_v> ah ok
[19:18] <ScottK> Think about Ubuntu papercuts as Ubuntu the project, not Ubuntu the distro.
[19:19] <ScottK> I did hear from some people about reluctance to participate last time around due to feeling excluded.
[19:19] <djsiegel1> The bottom line is people will only work on the paper cuts that affect them
[19:19] <mac_v> yeah , it was a problem.. other versions did feel left out
[19:20] <djsiegel1> I wouldn't expect to get many KDE users hacking GNOME paper cuts, or vice versa
[19:20] <djsiegel1> this is a community project, I am just here to give some structure and direction
[19:20] <djsiegel1> so if we get Kubuntu stakeholders to participate, that would be awesome
[19:21] <djsiegel1> I'm not sure what else there is to do, other than finding special paper cuts that affect Ubuntu the distro and Kubuntu the distro.
[19:21] <mac_v> ScottK: hmm, then why is the app specific schedule a problem , we can just have the synonymous app from the other DE in the scheduling.. would that be a problem?
[19:21] <ScottK> Well we have other DEs too.
[19:22] <ScottK> I'd rather talk about a papercuts focus on file management (to pick an example) and then have issues from whatever package that relate to that.
[19:23] <djsiegel1> ScottK: so, I need a commitment to fix some number of paper cuts from the Kubuntu community each milestone to swing this
[19:23] <mac_v> ah , then for instance we can rename the compiz jam to desktop effects jam?
[19:23] <djsiegel1> we got 1 per milestone for Kubuntu last cycle, and about 7 per milestone for Ubuntu (distro) last cycle
[19:23] <ScottK> djsiegel1: I think it's a bit of chicken/egg problem then.
[19:24] <ScottK> I think if we arranged it this way we'd get more participation (and I will commit to encourage people to help)
[19:24] <ScottK> mac_v: Yes.
[19:24] <djsiegel1> We're just speaking too abstractly for me to get a grip on this.
[19:25] <ScottK> OK.  I thought it was clear when we discussed it last week.
[19:25]  * ScottK guesses not then.
[19:25] <djsiegel1> nope, I need action items
[19:25] <djsiegel1> Your concern is that there's too much emphasis on Ubuntu the distro, and Kubuntu feels "excluded"
[19:25] <djsiegel1> I don't want anyone to feel excluded.
[19:26] <djsiegel1> At the end of the day, the patches come from the community, so I can be inclusive insofar as scheduling, promotion, design discussion is concerned.
[19:26] <djsiegel1> So, let's re-cast Paper Jams in terms of functional areas
[19:26] <djsiegel1> (desktop effects, not compiz; IM, not Empathy)
[19:27] <mac_v> ScottK: djsiegel1: what we can do is.. have 10bugs from Ubuntu and the other DE bugs will just be additions for the milestone , if they get fixed  , we make them part of the 10 per schedule... sound good?
[19:28] <ScottK> mac_v: I would suggest if you are continuing to consider things in narrow terms like Ubuntu the distro, you've missed my point.
[19:28] <djsiegel1> Well, I will get 10 Ubuntu (distro) paper cuts in each milestone, and accept any number of paper cuts for other DEs.
[19:28] <djsiegel1> ScottK: I think we get your point, but we can talk semantics until we're blue in the face but I need bug ids! :)
[19:28] <ScottK> djsiegel1: I think as long as the milestones are described in functional terms, I can work this.
[19:28] <djsiegel1> ok, sweet
[19:28] <mac_v> ScottK: the distro is not a problem , the problem is  , if we schedule a Xubuntu bug and it doesnt get fixed , then we'd be stcuk
[19:28] <mac_v> stuck*
[19:29] <djsiegel1> ScottK: I am going to edit my blog post, and change the milestones
[19:29] <ScottK> mac_v: As was discussed at UDS, if 100% of bugs get fixed, we are under scheduling.  To get the most out of the project, we need to over schedule.
[19:29] <ScottK> djsiegel1: Thanks.
[19:29] <djsiegel1> ScottK: can you add yourself to the papercutters team so you can add bugs to milestones?
[19:30] <djsiegel1> or do you have someone else in mind for that commitment?
[19:30] <ScottK> djsiegel1: Is it going to deluge me in bugmail (IIRC that's why seele left)?
[19:30] <mac_v> ScottK: yup , thats what i was saying or rather trying to say.. we overschedule bugs
[19:30] <djsiegel1> ScottK: ha! really?
[19:30] <ScottK> mac_v: But I think that's good.
[19:30] <djsiegel1> yeah, you will get a ton of bugmail
[19:30] <djsiegel1> just filter it
[19:30] <ScottK> djsiegel1: Then we need a different plan, because I get far too much already.
[19:30] <mac_v> ScottK: atleast 50mails per day ;)
[19:31] <ScottK> djsiegel1: For reasons that don't really make sense anymore, but I haven't had time to rectify, that's not particularly easy for me to do at the moment (filter it)
[19:31] <djsiegel1> ok
[19:32] <mac_v> ScottK: you can just ping us here , any bugs you like we can add them to the schedule
[19:32] <ScottK> djsiegel1: Can you make a LP list for paper-cutters and send the bugmail there.  Then the people that want it, can subscribe.
[19:32] <djsiegel1> ScottK: that sounds interesting, how do I do that?
[19:33] <ScottK> I don't recall the exact LP foo to do it, but there's a LP U/I for making a team mailing list and then once that's done you make it the contact address for the team.
[19:34] <mac_v> iirc if a team owns a project it will end-up receiving all the mails , no way around that
[19:35] <ScottK> mac_v: Yes, but if the team mailing address is a list, it all goes there.
[19:35] <ScottK> It only goes to all members if no team address is set.
[19:35] <mac_v> oh , ok
[19:37] <mac_v> ScottK: then the papercutter members wont receive all the mails... some bugs might get left out , or you might not be aware of a discussion on a bug
[19:37] <mac_v> unless they subscribe*
[19:38] <ScottK> This is true.
[19:39] <ScottK> So you choose between all members get all mails and some people don't join and some people get all the mails and some get none.
[19:40] <mac_v> ScottK: the some getting the mails is not the issue... for instance I mostly dont read bugs regarding KDE bugs , so those will get left out , unless someone is subscribed to the mails
[19:41] <mac_v> someone who knows the KDE problems that is*
[19:41] <ScottK> mac_v: That's true, but if I were going to do this, I'd subscribe to the individual bugs I was interested in.
[19:42] <mac_v> ScottK: yes...  that works when you know that a bug has been filed , but what about new bugs which get filed .. how would you keep track? [i'm just curious how this would work , thats all :)]
[19:43] <mac_v> new KDE bugs*
[19:44] <ScottK> I'd probably look at subscribed bugs periodically (much as I do with ubuntu-universe/main-sponsors.
[19:45] <mac_v> ScottK: hmm , thats sounds good... but we just need to make sure the other members do that too ;)
[19:45] <ScottK> Or subscribe to the list.  Their choice.
[19:52] <mac_v> djsiegel1: Bug #432395 and Bug #433207 seem to have patches and also have been sent upstream... just not sure if they are papercuts though...
[19:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 432395 in gnome-media "wrong behavior on cancel" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432395
[19:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 433207 in gnome-media "primary should be save optio." [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433207
[20:11] <djsiegel1> ScottK: what is the KDE equiv. of Gwibber?
[20:11] <djsiegel1> and what should I mention for photos?
[20:12] <djsiegel1> Can you give me an app to mention for each milestone?
[20:12] <djsiegel1> *each paper jam
[20:17] <ScottK> djsiegel1: I think chotoq
[20:18] <ScottK> That's not how you spell it though
[20:33] <florob> Hy, I have problems using the indicator-applets python bindings. Specifically I'm trying to fix Gajim, but can't find any examples on how to use the current version
[20:34]  * ScottK hints ^^^ at tedg as I think he's your man.
[20:35] <tedg> florob: Morning.
[20:35] <florob> tedg, Evening
[20:36] <tedg> florob: Probably the best reference is this: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu
[20:37] <florob> tedg, I read that, but it doesn't help me at all. I mean sure it has a list of available properties, but my problem is that everything looks like it should work I just can't tell for sure because I don't know how python-indicate is really supposed to be used
[20:37] <florob> And I should probably mention that it doesn't work :D
[20:37] <tedg> florob: Hmm, okay.  Did you look at the examples in the python-indicate package?
[20:38] <florob> tedg, no, didn't know there were some. I'll see if that helps me. Thanks
[20:40] <tedg> florob: Cool.  Hope that helps.  If not, and I'm not here, kenvandine is also a good guy to ask.
[20:40] <tedg> He actually *likes* Python ;)
[20:44] <dscassel> florob, you might want to check out the source for gwibber.  server.py gives some pretty clear examples.
[20:45] <florob> dscassel, I did, with the result that it can't work because it uses 9.04 api (at least in the version packaged in karmic)
[20:45] <florob> api of the indicate version in 9.04 that is
[20:48] <dscassel> florob, I got a simple indicator working this weekend based on what's in launchpad (bzr branch lp:gwibber).  I admit, tho, that I didn't go too deep into it.
[20:49] <florob> dscassel, yes, you are actually right. server.py is sane client.py is not (god knows why...).
[20:49] <florob> Depressingly Gajim does exactly the same thing :(
[20:58] <lamalex> djsiegel1: looks good
[20:58] <lamalex> im excited for some paper james
[20:58] <lamalex> jams
[21:06] <djsiegel1> lamalex: thanks, I hope we get some good one reported
[21:06] <djsiegel1> I fear I am going to spend some late nights pouring over gwibber's flaws...
[21:07] <lamalex> yeah, i think you definitely will
[21:12] <florob> tedg, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu tells me time should be in ISO8601 format, but a traceback tells me it should be a float. Am I missing something?
[21:14] <tedg> florob: It should be ISO8601.  I'm not sure how a float would work.
[21:14] <florob> tedg, seconds since epoche it seams :/
[21:37] <lamalex> seconds sine epoch would still not be a float
[21:41] <florob> lamalex, seconds and fractions thereof. Plus you can store an integer as a float just fine
[21:42] <florob> I also like how count is a string…


 @dohbee [someone is working on a port for s7 though i think], I dont know if its a S7 flat or S7 edge though
 @dohbee [mtp on usb, ssh (sftp) if you enabled it, wifi transfer app in store, and i thin …], it can, Ive been doing it on my note 4
 @Shakendo [I dont know if its a S7 flat or S7 edge though], S7 Flat.
[01:24] <ubptgbot> <Ryan Long> Is there any device supported by Ubuntu Touch that supports MMS?
[01:30] <ubptgbot> PumpWbc was added by: PumpWbc
 1DpvghKwhrwZyyCyWMQ2tnLaV3yEznFndB
 Please donate btc
 @Ryan Long [Is there any device supported by Ubuntu Touch that supports MMS?], MMS being Multimedia Messages?
[01:31] <ubptgbot> <Ryan Long> yep
 I think any of the core device can, I dont know if my port does or not, and I cant speak for the other community ports, are you looking to buy a device or do you already have one?
 @PumpWbc [1DpvghKwhrwZyyCyWMQ2tnLaV3yEznFndB], is this spam?
 @PumpWbc [1DpvghKwhrwZyyCyWMQ2tnLaV3yEznFndB], [Edit] is this spam? @UniversalSuperBox
 This is official site
 we dont do anything with btc in here unless its an error on a Ubuntu Touch port
 Check first
 no
 Check fool person
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[01:34] <cc> hello,when i use 'libertine-container-manager destroy -i xenial'
[01:34] <cc> it told me that
[01:34] <cc> Libertine.py:125: ERROR: _delete_rootfs():      [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'dev'
[01:35] <cc> what's that mean? i have tried google it,some web told me use 'sudo chmod 666 /dev/ttyACM0 '
 Tell me now
[01:35] <ubptgbot> <Ryan Long> @Shakendo [I think any of the core device can, I dont know if my port does or not, and I ca …], I have a Pinephone CE but MMS has a long way to go on any available OS
[01:35] <cc> i'm not sure it's correct or not
 @PumpWbc [Tell me now], you are Spamming
 @Shakendo [is this spam? @UniversalSuperBox], You are scammer
 @PumpWbc [You are scammer], yes, I totally am a scammer
 You are beggar
 @Ryan Long [I have a Pinephone CE but MMS has a long way to go on any available OS], I think thats just a Pinephone thing, mayne even halium9, Im not sure of the status of MMS on that
 @PumpWbc [You are beggar], once again, totally right
 But why
 @PumpWbc [<reply to media>], This is your site
 yeah, thats -YOUR- site
 You have no any technical knowledge
[01:39] <cc> me?
 if you come in here and say "donate" or "pay" with no context its treated as spam, you gave no context aside from a btc number
 I am not part of UBPorts, I volunteer
 Ok sir
 Maybe we should hack his ip address to find out what call center he is in right now, and report him to CBI.
 @Shakendo
[02:21] <ubptgbot> John Roland was added by: John Roland
 Sorry for the interruption @Shakendo, please don't feed the trolls
 sorry, its been a long day for me so I was a bit short on my temper
[02:30] <ubptgbot> R29kTA was added by: R29kTA
[02:36] <cc> excuse me,hope someone see my question,if i'm off line, hope someone send me memo
[02:36] <cc> thanks a lot!
 @cc [Libertine.py:125: ERROR: _delete_rootfs():      [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'd …], did you try the command with sudo?
[02:55] <cc> yes
[02:55] <cc> libertine-container-manager:446: ERROR: <module>():     Please do not run 'libertine-container-manager' using sudo
[03:16] <ubptgbot> KayPee123 was added by: KayPee123
 @YougoChats [Like using UT on a tv for watching a movie? That's some while off yes...], yeah that or similar interactions, using mouse keyboard 3 meters away from the screen isn't exactly much fun :p
[06:03] <ubptgbot> Yunysevgen was added by: Yunysevgen
 @Fuseteam [yeah that or similar interactions, using mouse keyboard 3 meters away from the s …], An option to duplicate the screen in a traditional xrandr style would help with that. Which would be another spot on the horizon for lomiri development
 @Greg [Oh I see, in terms of maturity would you say it is similar the fairphone and one …], the hardware functions are supported (there is also SailfishOS port which can be used as reference), but it's not as polished yet, which should come over time
[08:48] <ubptgbot> LucaBellini was added by: LucaBellini
 hello
 i need help
 i installed ubports in my kubuntu 18.04 machine but i didn't understand how to start it
 @LucaBellini [i installed ubports in my kubuntu 18.04 machine but i didn't understand how to s …], If it does not show up in apps list, even after a reboot, you should be able to start it via terminal with `ubports-installer`.
 @Danfro i get this error when i try install Error in file "/usr/share/applications/org.kde.kdeconnect_open.desktop": "*/*" is an invalid MIME type ("*" is an unregistered media type)
 @Danfro [If it does not show up in apps list, even after a reboot, you should be able to …], i get this error when itry to install Error in file "/usr/share/applications/org.kde.kdeconnect_open.desktop": "*/*" is an invalid MIME type ("*" is an unregistered media type)
 issue resolved ubport installed
 does anyone know how to force destroy a libertine container? libertine is just horribly stuck doing either nothing good, or nothing at all
[09:48] <ubptgbot> samirkushwaha was added by: samirkushwaha
 http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html#destroy-a-container ?
 A UBports group in Hebrew was discussed ages ago. Are there users here who would like to join one?
 @YougoChats [An option to duplicate the screen in a traditional xrandr style would help with …], hmm not really, the 10 foot experience is way different than you expect
 Binoculars 😁
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 @NotKit [the hardware functions are supported (there is also SailfishOS port which can be …], That's good so there's nothing that shouldn't be able to get working? On my fairphone the flash doesn't work which is a hardware issue
 @Greg [That's good so there's nothing that shouldn't be able to get working? On my fair …], Halium 7.1 will maybe fix that
 @Greg [That's good so there's nothing that shouldn't be able to get working? On my fair …], yes, flashlight works with gst-droid
 @Fuseteam [hmm not really, the 10 foot experience is way different than you expect], now you're making it up to be some mystery but we all have tv's in our living room ,and many of us have been in meetings with presentations or spreadheets up on a central display, at least i have. use of a big screen in combination with a human operate
[12:07] <ubptgbot> d pc can imo roughly be narrowed down to  … -playing content or presenting and sitting/standing back:  the remote screen can be an extended desktop or a separate output altogether. not much interaction is needed. ideally a local screen/interface can function as a remote control but walking up to the big screen or moving a mouse cursor to it to star
[12:07] <ubptgbot> t and end the content is a minor inconvenience … -displaying and editing content during a meeting: looking up to a big screen, probably from an odd angle and moving a cursor, especially on a high res screen with tiny widgets miles apart is a hassle. especially if the connection is wireless with a lot of latency and dropped frames. a local screen th
[12:07] <ubptgbot> at is duplicated on the large display helps … -using the big screen as your only workspace, or as extended workspace: this might seem less likely but many have had to adjust to working at home during COVID and started out exactly like this as they had no practical home office. place your 40"+ 4K tv on the dinner table and use it as a display to you
[12:07] <ubptgbot> r 13" laptop (provided it has a graphics card that doesn't break down and cry at the thought). either your stuf is tiny and miles apart, or you scale your ui to have HUGE buttons. trying to do work on a big screen like that indeed doesn't work. … game consoles, entertainment centers and smart tv's have adapted UI's that focus more on directional bu
[12:07] <ubptgbot> ttons and a simple block or list menu interface  … as it stands now, UT's external display mode isn't very suited for too big screens and would fall in the third category. … is there any aspect of this '10 foot experience' i might have missed? … i think UT/lomiri could do well with a virtual-desktop-linked-to-displays mode. you'd have a usable desk
[12:07] <ubptgbot> top on both the local screen and the remote screen, and via window management you can send a window to 'desktop 2' or vice versa. you can make a phone call with the device at your ear without disturbing the secondary screen. the mouse pad functionality could run in a window.
 ok sorry that wall of text looked smaller while typing😂
 Better forum post I would say :P
 And a reinforced table 😂
 @YougoChats [now you're making it up to be some mystery but we all have tv's in our living ro …], You could have smth similar to Nintendo Switch. The UX is interesting there...
 @Flohack [You could have smth similar to Nintendo Switch. The UX is interesting there...], like putting GIMP's toolbars on the local screen and the workspace on the big screen
 @YougoChats [now you're making it up to be some mystery but we all have tv's in our living ro …], whoa that's a big post but that's not a 10 foot experience i'm not talking about meeting presentation; look it up you'll be surprised, i know i was and we're veering offtopic. i'm open to take this to pm
 @YougoChats [now you're making it up to be some mystery but we all have tv's in our living ro …], [Edit] whoa that's a big post but that's not a 10 foot experience i'm not talking about meeting presentation; look it up you'll be surprised, i know i was i used to boil it down to "focus on directional keys" but there's a lot more that goes
[12:18] <ubptgbot>  into it and we're veering offtopic. i'm open to take this to pm xD
 I think as long as its scaled right, Lorimi would work ok on a tv with a playstation or xbox controller, I've used metro apps on the xbox before, they aren't fantastic but as long as you consider the input apps and interfaces, than its not to bad. … I don't think Lorimi would make as good of a tv experience as the latest console
[12:24] <ubptgbot> s, but I don't think the latest consoles would make a good phone experience, but I do think Lorimi scales, and if someone wanted to put the time and effort in, it could at least be a good experience with your latest playstation controller, or tv remote.
 something like this? 😂 … https://youtu.be/jq_WaOLjdyQ
 Fwd from Bibarub: how to install google play services in anbox?
 i know this question is not related to ubports, but i haven't got a reply in anbox chat
 @Javacookies [something like this? 😂 … https://youtu.be/jq_WaOLjdyQ], at the time it was a solution looking for a problem imo. it will swing around to being usefull when we get to a point where your phone will replace even you tv
 @Javacookies [something like this? 😂 … https://youtu.be/jq_WaOLjdyQ], [Edit] at the time it was a solution looking for a problem imo. it will swing around to being usefull when we get to a point where your phone will replace even your tv
 @Bibarub [how to install google play services in anbox?], That wont work Im afraid
 @Parallellhistory [<reply to media>], like this
[13:29] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Bibarub [how to install google play services in anbox?], https://geeks-r-us.de/2018/09/04/anbox-update-overlay/ (only available in German, it seems)
[14:11] <ubptgbot> DgNegative was added by: DgNegative
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 Pablo please stop sending stickers every few hours
[15:55] <ubptgbot> Guineapig_2005 was added by: Guineapig_2005
 Yes I agree at least wait 3 hours between stickers
 Well, they're also unrelated to the previous conversation and inappropriate, but I didn't feel the need to mention it at first.
[16:40] <ubptgbot> sajjad_u was added by: sajjad_u
 hello guys, can i install ubunto touch in my redmi note 7 ?
 @sajjad_u [hello guys, can i install ubunto touch in my redmi note 7 ?], Probably
 Hi @sajjad_u, you can find our supported devices and installation instructions at https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @Javacookies [something like this? 😂 … https://youtu.be/jq_WaOLjdyQ], I almost forgot about this, I actually think it could be a cool feature for UT to adopt for when connected, give an option for a set-top like this or the regular convergence experience, and have it set in the settings app
 Wow)) Hurry up!!🤑🤑🤑☄☄ … https://bit.ly/31TYKoL
[17:29] <ubptgbot> KekkaiHegara was added by: KekkaiHegara
 @Shakendo [I almost forgot about this, I actually think it could be a cool feature for UT t …], It would definitely be cool and awesome. I was a PC + monitor guy for a long time but in the past years, I like a big screen setup (TV/Projector) and I actually do most of my youtube sessions with the TV app/UI.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Hi @sajjad_u, you can find our supported devices and installation instructions a …], thanks a lot
 @PhoenixLandPirate [I think as long as its scaled right, Lorimi would work ok on a tv with a playsta …], yeah but uh scaling on a tv is different from say scaling on a monitor
 no
 scaling is just scaling
 but anyway, ubuntu tv is not happening
[20:46] <ubptgbot> quentingonus1 was added by: quentingonus1
 true not enough people were and are interested
 the reason i say its different is because this can be scaled a lot smaller if you sitting 30cm from a screen compared to when you sit 3meters from a screen
 but true not enough people were and are interested to make it happen :p
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[22:04] <ubptgbot> plus_Zn_minus was added by: plus_Zn_minus
[22:57] <ubptgbot> tesla786 was added by: tesla786
 Hey guys, I want to buy an Ubuntu mobile phone. Any recommendations please ?
[23:10] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Depends on your needs, budget and willingness to live with limitations / work in progress. You can take a look at the list of supported devices and status on the ubports website. 2020/21 sees even quite a few new devices with Ubuntu touch, from the pinephone (delivered and aimed at developers mostly) and the vollaphone (now being shipped and
[23:10] <ubptgbot>  intended to be a "daily driver") to the just a few days ago announced f(x)tec in cooperation with xda. Those three can also work with other OS. So lots of alternatives to chose from. 👍
 The channel is available in Spanish
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