[00:46] <merf> can any one help with setting up wireless modem
[00:48] <merf> Can Anyone help I am running ubuntu 11.4 on a laptop what I need to find out is how to setup the internet using Telstra sierra 312U wireless usb modem (the account is setup with Telstra on my XP machine) now I want to do a setup on the Ubuntu PC
[01:37] <sagaci> looks like i should be there in time :-)
[04:00] <sagaci> hi
[04:48] <bwright> Hey.
[05:26] <xannen> Yay ubuntu au party next week!  LOL
[05:55] <sagaci> just had ours
[07:40] <ikt> finally going to be able to make the meeting tomorrow
[07:40] <ikt> long time no meeting
[07:49] <head_victim> ikt: good to hear, will be nice to hear how the Sydney event went.
[07:54] <sagaci> had three guys turned up, one with two daughters- the ampersand was a nice little place to have it, had a small round table upstairs where we just chatted about ubuntu and linux in general.. no wifi or powerpoints but we didnt really need any. were there for about 2 hours and were fine with the idea of doing something like it at least once a cycle
[07:55] <head_victim> sagaci: nice (didn't see you pop back in)
[07:56] <head_victim> Dare I ask, photos?
[07:56] <sagaci> yeah but skipper took one of the group
[07:56] <ikt> head_victim: I'm not in sydney :P
[07:56] <sagaci> since he has a proper camera
[07:56] <head_victim> ikt: I know, I was just saying what I was looking forward to ;)
[07:56] <ikt> ohhh
[07:56] <ikt> me 2
[07:57] <ikt> I was just about to get the day off to maybe organise an adelaide one
[07:57] <ikt> but then they said I have to stay for nbn training :(
[07:57] <head_victim> Alright, I need to make use of the last 15 mins of daylight, bbl
[07:57] <ikt> ttyl :)
[07:57] <head_victim> ikt: just pick a place, advertise it and rock up, no planning required
[08:14] <sagaci> there was a guy that had just been in australia for three weeks, just from budapest
[08:20] <ikt> head_victim:
[08:20] <ikt> ah I can't really do that
[08:20] <ikt> I work from 4pm-midnight
[08:20] <ikt> hrmm could do it on sunday
[09:00] <head_victim> Hmm I just got tomorrow night's reminder on my phone, is it going to be 7pm or 8pm?
[09:18] <sagaci> 8est 9for nsw
[09:21] <head_victim> That's what I thought but not what the ical is saying
[09:26] <ikt> i stopped using the ical because the times were so far out
[09:26] <ikt> saying that meetings were at 2pm
[09:34] <head_victim> The ical has been great for the last few months, just since daylight savings has come in
[09:35] <head_victim> Ah the issue is it was set to est not utc+10
[09:36] <head_victim> Fixed
[09:36] <sagaci> yep
[09:37] <sagaci> i commented out our old status on our wiki page, wasnt sure where to archive it to
[09:37] <head_victim> Can just delete it really
[09:38] <head_victim> Just FYI I've updated out team's default time zone to utc+10 instead of plain old utc
[10:38] <ikt> bbl
[10:54] <sagaci> head_victim: ping
[11:01] <head_victim> sagaci: pong
[11:04] <sagaci> check email soonish
[11:04] <sagaci> lol wait
[11:04] <sagaci> didn't attach it
[11:06] <sagaci> there we go, but still read the first part
[11:06] <head_victim> Heh yeah
[11:06] <head_victim> Well I'd ask permission and then upload to flickr
[11:06] <head_victim> Then you tag it as part of the group and it auto populates to loco.u.c
[11:07] <sagaci> kk, whatever is the go
[11:07] <head_victim> The loco.u.c stuff is linked to the flickr group so it just auto graps it
[11:07] <head_victim> grabs*
[11:07] <sagaci> kk
[11:08] <head_victim> We have no control over loading or unloading pics other than the flickr. Not too bad a setup though really, means nothing is actually controlled via the loco.u.c site
[11:14] <sagaci> yeah so hopefully we'll be able to do something similar each cycle
[11:16] <head_victim> Sounds good
[12:46] <sagaci> head_victim: I got the photo taker's permission, just need that other one
[12:53] <gorilla> hi all.
[13:01] <ikt> heya gorilla :)
[13:02] <ikt> 11:30... is kfc open at 11:30?
[13:05] <gorilla> ikt: some are open 24 hours on saturday night.
[13:07] <ikt> nice!
[13:07] <ikt> don't think they do in adelaide though :(
[13:07] <ikt> whatcha up to anyway gorilla ?
[13:08] <gorilla> ikt: Just chilling with the laptop. I should probably be asleep as I need to be up by 6:00AM.
[13:10] <ikt> ouch
[13:10] <ikt> i'm off to mcdonalds if the kfc is closed :(
[13:11] <gorilla> don't do that.. they have a clown for a mascot :-P
[13:41] <ikt> kfc was closed
[13:41] <ikt> got mcd's
[13:41] <ikt> never getting it again
[13:41] <ikt> feel sick
[13:41] <xannen> heheh
[13:41] <gorilla> yepp.. McD's get me the same way.
[13:42] <xannen> is anyone getting diablo 3?
[13:42] <gorilla> if they took the toy out of the Mchappy meals, no one would buy them.
[13:43] <xannen> lol mctantrum?  :P
[13:45] <gorilla> McSpat: Would you like a dummy with that?
[13:57] <gorilla> McChunks: would you like a sick bag with that?
[14:03] <ikt> xannen: yeah, would like to see how d3 is, hoping I get a beta invite
[14:03] <xannen> me too.  :(
[14:03] <xannen> i apply, but no invite yet. :(
[14:05] <ikt> same :<
[14:05] <xannen> Q1, 2012 means Q2.  LOL
[14:12] <ikt> yeah
[14:13] <ikt> blizz never cared about release dates
[14:13] <ikt> they even said, nobody remembers missing release dates
[14:13] <ikt> they only care about good games
[14:13] <ikt> prime example: duke nukem forever
[14:19] <ikt> bbl
[14:38] <airtonix> the only way you'll 'acclimatise' yourself to mc donalds is if you keep on eating it everyday
[14:38] <airtonix> stop eating it for any serious length of time and you start having 'cold turkey' syndrome


 xubuntu is haxing my system
[02:17] <IdleOne> you might want to stop that now
 you'll never catch me when i log on with my hidden host!
[02:20] <bazhang> from PM
 ubuntu gnome remix 12.10 is > *
[02:30] <bazhang> a new MINT?
[02:31] <tsimpson> the "gnome remix" is just stock ubuntu with the gnome shell rather than unity
[02:31] <bazhang> so nothing a five second install wont accomplish
[02:31] <bazhang> hardly qualifies as a remix
[02:32] <tsimpson> that's why it's a "remix", just a different set of default packages installed
[02:33] <bazhang> indeed, I am well aware of the terminology
[03:43] <IdleOne> !guidelines > digitalvaldosta
[04:15] <bazhang> mestrelion's running commentary is unnerving
[04:21] <IdleOne> ooof
[08:14] <bazhang> he understands
[08:15] <Jordan_U> OK. I'll let you handle this :)
[08:16] <bazhang> the Chinese / Taiwan trolls are the worst
[13:38] <Pici> is !classis still relevant in 12.10?
[13:38] <Pici> !classic
[13:38] <Pici> (I haven't actually upgraded to 12.10 on any of my computers yet)
[13:39] <IdleOne> I don't think it is now with that llvmpipe thing you mentioned earlier
[15:16] <chamunks> apparently from the freenode webchat I cant talk in #ubuntu.
[15:17] <chamunks> I'm not sure why.
[15:17] <IdleOne> looking
[15:17] <chamunks> Thanks
[15:18] <chamunks> Cant imagine it was something that I had said I was just asking the wisemen if there was Plotter support in linux with the ability to add them to a print server.
[15:19] <Pici> chamunks: you changed your nick, part and rejoin the channel and you should be good.
[15:20] <chamunks> fair enough apparently I needed to ghost an old session.
[15:20] <chamunks> thats probably why.
[15:20] <chamunks> thanks
[15:20] <IdleOne> Pici: thank you. I always forget that quirk in #ubuntu and webchat
[15:20] <Pici> I nearly missed it too.
[15:21] <chamunks> ok you have to actually type /part
[15:21] <chamunks> just closing the tab on webchat doesn't do any good.
[15:21] <chamunks> thanks again.
[15:21] <IdleOne> chamunks: yeah, besides that there is no reason for you to not be able to speak in #ubuntu. try a /cycle #ubuntu or /part #ubuntu and rejoin
[15:21] <chamunks> IdleOne: ok thanks much appreciated.
[16:14]  * genii-around sips


[00:26] <morgans> hello friends, you helped me get rid of tracker+ but now some functions are missing: files isnt there, in Ubuntu software "Installed files" is solid black. what?
[00:26] <morgans> 20.04
[00:26] <morgans> that was a couple of hours ago
[00:27] <morgans> and for some reason I have never beenabout to determine, I cant search in ubunt software. WOT?
[00:30] <heap> hi, can i use 8TB hdd on 32bit OS?
[00:30] <heap> sorry 32bit hw
[00:30] <morgans> pgrep tracker -al  /   sudo apt remove --purge tracker-miner-fssudo rm -rfv /etc/xdg/autostart/tracker*.desktop  /  Reboot    <== That's what I did.
[00:31] <morgans> leftyfb, Hi I'm back with OOPS!
[00:34] <morgans> and then apt remove....
[00:36] <morgans> just did  sudo apt-get --fix-broken install
[00:36] <morgans> sudo apt autoremove
[00:38] <morgans> $ sudo apt-get update --fix-missing   ///command not found
[00:38] <morgans> I used plain apt
[00:41] <morgans> ubuntu software looks normal but when I click on any of the categories I get a plain box with ... and no listing.s
[00:41] <morgans> apt told me I should upgrade so I am.
[00:42] <morgans> I am lost here.
[00:47] <heap> is there any diff to backup partition using dd vs fsarchiver?
[01:13] <morgans> My file manager is gone and so are the sysops who help. Woe is me.
[01:22] <Bashing-om> morgans: ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt -f install '. All complete with no errors ?
[01:44] <signofzeta>  heap: yes.  format your disk with the GPT partitioning style.
[01:45] <signofzeta> heap: dd will copy a partition, bit for bit.  you'll need to restore it to the same size disk (or larger).  not fmailiar with fsarchiver, though.
[02:50] <leftyfb> morgans: I would highly suggest you just reinstall ubuntu at this point. There's no telling what state your system is now
[02:53] <BeneditoSalvador> any recomendations for a matrix client for ubuntu?
[02:56] <DarkTrick_> **Help** @ Upgrade to 21.04: I got a fatal error and "my system could be in an unusable state", can someone help me fix this?
[02:56] <DarkTrick_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XwqXzsSyVz/
[02:57] <DarkTrick_> Also, it states "Upgrade complete" at the end, so I'm not sure, if I actually have to do something or if my system is about to die
[03:02] <DarkTrick_> I did what's described in the answer here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1333784/error-after-update-ubuntu-updating-from-20-10-to-hirsute-hippo-21-04
[03:03] <DarkTrick_> now dpkg --configure -a will run without errors, but `sudo /usr/lib/usrmerge/convert-usrmerge` still throws a fatal
[03:05] <leftyfb> DarkTrick_: I don't have usrmerge installed on either my 18.04 or 20.04 machines
[03:05] <DarkTrick_> leftyfb, it must be some system-stuff; I never installed it
[03:06] <leftyfb> DarkTrick_: try removing the package
[03:06] <DarkTrick_> leftyfb, that sounds a little like a random advice ... are you sure about that?
[03:06] <DarkTrick_> It looks like this is the root cause: Both /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 exist.
[03:08] <DarkTrick_> hm... and looking at what usrmerge does, this sounds a reasonable message...
[03:08] <leftyfb> DarkTrick_: that's part of the libtinfo5 package, which again, isn't installed by default
[03:08] <DarkTrick_> must be a dependency somewhere then... I also never heard libtinfo5 before
[03:10] <DarkTrick_> leftyfb, Do I have to fear an inconsistent state, if dpkg --configure -a runs without errors?
[03:11] <leftyfb> DarkTrick_: aren't you still getting errors somewhere?
[03:11] <DarkTrick_> leftyfb, yes, when I run `/usr/lib/usrmerge/convert-usrmerge`
[03:11] <leftyfb> DarkTrick_: why are you running that?
[03:11] <DarkTrick_> because the upgrade process error message told me to
[03:12] <DarkTrick_> However, you said it's non-std, so I ran apt to remove it. apt tells me "it's not installed"... so
[03:12] <DarkTrick_> if dpkg runs without errors now, and I don't need usrmerge, then I won't care about it
[03:12] <DarkTrick_> apparently* it also has no packages depending on it
[03:13] <DarkTrick_> *apt remove did not list any further packages, that become obsolete
[03:14] <oerheks> maybe related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usrmerge/+bug/1924850
[03:21] <DarkTrick_> I have a dream... of the first UB upgrade going through without errors and strange "[this configuration, that you've never seen or touched] might be changed. Are you sure, you want to change it. " :)
[03:46] <DarkTrick_> **Q** regarding keyboard input / ibus / anthy on 21.04: how do I tell anthy to change keyboard layout with input language?
[03:47] <DarkTrick_> Apparently the upgrade process removed some user settings from anthy
[04:11] <aienaVM> How to disable that beep sound in the terminal when pressing tab and the autocomplete doesn't work because of whatever reason.
[04:11] <aienaVM> am on ubuntu 20.04
[04:29] <gdb> aienaVM: I don't know what terminal you're using but you'll want to look for anything that is along the lines of "disable audible bell" or "enable visual bell".
[04:30] <aienaVM> gdb: I'll have a look.
[04:30] <gdb> aienaVM: Sure thing! The sound is a function of your terminal receiving the "bell" character (^G) and rendering it audibly. Visual bell will (generally) briefly flash the screen instead of making the sound.
[04:30] <aienaVM> i found  it there was one "Terminal Bell" check box now the sounds are not coming.
[04:30] <gdb> Very good!
[04:31] <aienaVM> I am used to the peace of quiet of not having one
[04:33] <gdb> I'm with you there! I can't stand audible bell, either.
[05:15] <cluelessperson> I'm in a bad state where nothing plugged in,  /dev/sda exists
[05:16] <cluelessperson> I plugin a usb flash drive
[05:16] <cluelessperson> it tries to use /dev/sda then errors that it exists
[05:16] <cluelessperson> ?
[05:16] <cluelessperson> Jun  4 22:15:37 ztab systemd-udevd[86827]: sda: Failed to process device, ignoring: File exists
[05:17]  * cluelessperson reboots
[05:36] <aienaVM> thanks gdb
[06:05] <gbit86_> I've been doing a lot of testing of a setup script.. and am wondering if this PPA works for others? "sudo add-apt-repository --yes ppa:ubuntubudgie/backports"
[06:05] <gbit86_> did I get my IP banned or something?
[06:07] <Mekaneck> gbit86_: why you think your IP got banned?
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> gbit86_: looks legit https://launchpad.net/~ubuntubudgie/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[06:08] <gbit86_> wondering if maybe I've been hitting their servers too hard by downloading too much in a short period of time?
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> gbit86_: you getting errors or something?
[06:08] <gbit86_> Really not sure how much I am consuming tbh.. just downloading a theme repeatedly..
[06:09] <gbit86_> lotuspsychje: Part of the problem - I do not get an error. It just hangs.. I had to add a timeout command just so the rest of my script would not stall.
[06:26] <gbit86_> Every time I install snapd it takes a very long time to update.. I am on a pretty fast internet connection so there's no way it is me..
[06:26] <gbit86_> Why is snapd hanging for several minutes on "Waiting for server to restart"??
[06:26] <gbit86_> I practically can't find anything on google that really goes into it.
[06:27] <gbit86_> I eventually get this "snapd 2.50.1 from Canonical✓ installed" but 6 minutes??
[06:27] <cluelessperson> I avoid snapd. :/
[06:27] <gbit86_> I've had it hang and give up entirely as well..
[06:28] <gbit86_> cluelessperson: I might have too.. only reason I was using it was to avoid compiling a project myself but with those speeds and the unreliability of install snaps in general. Looks like I will have to work out how to compile the package I was avoiding compiling..
[06:29] <gbit86_> have to*
[06:29] <cluelessperson> for me it's vlc.
[06:56] <RupertEverton> Hello. Is anyone able to help with a UEFI/NVidia/nouveau issue?
[06:57] <toddc> RupertEverton: post your question and some will answer asap
[06:57] <RupertEverton> I've attempted to perform an (almost)-full-disk encryption following TJ's guide, but when I start my system and enter the decryption password, I get stuck in grub with "Loading initial ramdisk ..." "_". I seem to have UEFI/NVidia/nouveau/modeset issues. Anyone able to help? Thank you in advance
[07:03] <toddc> RupertEverton: I am not the best in that area but I do use uefi ZFS nomodeset then after first boot install nvida drivers and that has always worked for desktop installs
[07:05] <toddc> RupertEverton: nomodeset just installs basic minmal video drivers so you can boot it as nvidia drivers cannot be included in the installer
[07:06] <RupertEverton> toddc so what should I add after "linux..." ? I've already tried the following (one at the time): nomodeset -- nomodeset, nouveau.modeset=0, modprobe.blacklist=nouveau. None of them were helpful
[07:10] <cluelessperson> is there anyway to disable the OEM startup screen?
[07:10] <cluelessperson> I don't like "LENOVO"  being splayed across my screen.
[07:12] <qa6> Zauberfisch: I wanted validated virtio drivers... Maybe I'll try RHEL. Thank you!
[07:13] <Mekaneck> cluelessperson: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1238754/want-to-remove-oem-logo-during-boot-in-ubuntu-20-04
[07:13] <Mekaneck> maybe that helps
[07:14] <Mekaneck> there should be more out thet just google it
[07:15] <cluelessperson> oh perfect. :P
[07:19] <toddc> RupertEverton: will it boot to ubuntu using nomodeset?
[07:19] <RupertEverton> toddc : no, it will stay stuck in grub. I'm preparing an askubuntu question so you can see the full picture
[07:21] <toddc> ok I was hope it was just installing nvida after the ubuntu install
[07:30] <RupertEverton> toddc here it is: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1341163/ubuntu-20-04-stuck-in-grub-after-encryption
[08:00] <toddc> RupertEverton: sorry beyond my skill. I did a laptop using the default 20.04 installer with ZFS encryption and nomodset and it worked then after ubuntu was updated I used the addle drivers to install the nvidia with no issues
[08:08] <TJ-> RupertEverton: hi!
[08:08] <TJ-> RupertEverton: we meet at last :)
[08:08] <RupertEverton> Hello Tj- ! Finally, yes! How's it going mate?
[08:09] <TJ-> RupertEverton: just sat down to tackle some tricky IPv6 stuff, and need coffee already! Anything I can do to move you forward?
[08:10] <TJ-> RupertEverton: just reading your lastest email!
[08:10] <RupertEverton> I jus finished updating my post on ask ubuntu if you want to take a look! https://askubuntu.com/questions/1341163/ubuntu-20-04-stuck-in-grub-after-encryption
[08:11] <TJ-> RupertEverton: email read. The "----" sounds strange and more like a BIOS-mode boot using syslinux rather than, as I expect to happen, an UEFI boot with GRUB
[08:11] <TJ-> RupertEverton: maybe since I last worked on the installer code that aspect was changed
[08:12] <RupertEverton> Could be, I'm sure I'm on UEFI as that's the only option I allowed in the bios settings
[08:12] <TJ-> RupertEverton: So, I think we have to prove first that the kernel actual starts. Right now all you know is that initrd is being loaded into memory... you don't know if that was successful and GRUB correctly handed off to the kernel
[08:12] <TJ-> RupertEverton: I agree from your previous logs it is UEFI.
[08:13] <RupertEverton> So how would I go about proving that the kernel actually starts?
[08:16] <TJ-> RupertEverton: since you're now familiar with editing the GRUB boot entries manually, I'd suggest an easy one. Since, when the installed system boots you have a display a least whilst GRUB is operating, how about adding a couple of lines: "echo 'About to boot Linux kernel...' " and "sleep 5"  after the final "initrd /initrd.img..." line  then pressing Ctrl+X
[08:16] <RupertEverton> TJ- : also, is there a mobile client (iOS) for this that you'd recommend? I think it'd be more effective at ensuring quick communications since right now I keep having to install it on my live installer
[08:16] <TJ-> RupertEverton: I think there is a web chat, would that be sufficient?
[08:16] <RupertEverton> Yeah I think so!
[08:17] <TJ-> RupertEverton: try https://web.libera.chat/
[08:20] <RupertEverton13> alright that worked, i’ll follow you from here
[08:20] <TJ-> RupertEverton: I'd also recommend further editing the "linux ..." line to remove "quiet" and adding "earlyprintk=efi,keep debug systemd.log_level=info" - 'debug' will cause the kernel to be more verbose, ;earlyprintk' will try to ensure messages are seen much earlier in the start-up code
[08:24] <RupertEverton> Alright TJ- now I'll reboot and add all the lines you suggested. You'll find me here as RupertEverton13
[08:25] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: I see you :)
[08:27] <RupertEverton13> TJ- quick question, should i add the lines to linux…generic or to the recovery-mode option ?
[08:28] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: I'd edit the first (default) entry on the initial screen
[08:30] <RupertEverton13> TJ- ok. right now the linux entry has the following parameters: “/vmlinuz-…” “root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root” “ro” “sysrq_always_enabled=1” “quiet” “splash” “$vt_handoff”
[08:30] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: so you don't think I'm ignoring you... I'm switching in and out of other terminals so might not always respond immediately. Anyone else feel free to chime in!
[08:30] <RupertEverton13> should i only remove “quiet” and add what you said at the end ?
[08:31] <RupertEverton13> no worries at all mate!
[08:32] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: yes, remove "quiet splash" and add "earlyprintk=efi,keep debug systemd.log_level=info" on that line, then after the last line of "initrd /initrd.img..." add those two other lines (the final sleep is so you get chance to see the message before the screen is blanked and kernel takes over)
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> cluelessperson gbit86_ yeah vlc snap was a bit slow install over snap for me aswell
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> but i think ogra had a workaround for speeding up snap installs if i recall
[08:32] <TJ-> "use .debs" :D
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:37] <RupertEverton13> TJ- still stuck at “Loading initial ram disk …” “_”
[08:41] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: hmmm, that eas after you added the 'echo' line after the "initrd /initrd.img..." line?
[08:41] <RupertEverton13> yes
[08:42] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: (was in the garden strimming grass!)
[08:42] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: so, the kernel isn't getting started.
[08:43] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: the "initrd /..." line causes GRUB to read that file and place it in memory just after the vmlinuz image it already put in memory, so this looks like something there is failing. I'm wondering if this could be a weird UEFI/SecureBoot issue (regardless of SB being enabled)
[08:44] <RupertEverton13> At the moment I think Secure Boot is disabled. Should I try enabling it ?
[08:47] <RupertEverton13> TJ- also while I’m at it in the bios settings, is it possible that the various intel settings may be interfering ? like intel speedster, turboboost, c-states control
[08:49] <RupertEverton13> and even fastboot, there’s minimal, thorough, and auto (i’ve always kept the latter selected)
[08:49] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: I doubt it but I've long learned anything is possible, but I'd recommend not fiddling unless you have evidence since you may cause more issues!
[08:50] <RupertEverton13> alright, i’ll keep everything the same (all enabled) and turn on secure boot to see if that makes a difference
[08:51] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: FastBoot is UEFI way of saying, only load the parts of UEFI required to start the default boot entry. I prefer the "everything" (thorough) approach so I'm not missing something when things inevitably go wrong and the system needs to boot from USB!
[08:51] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: Enabling SecureBoot is probably going to make things worse but it is easy to test
[08:52] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: I'm doing a lot of research on this in case there are similar GRUB issues we can locate
[08:53] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: interesting similar issue here, with a potential workaround of "Ctrl+Alt+Del" soft reboot and it'll start!
[08:54] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: is IOMMU enabled in UEFI setup? If so it is worth disabling that as a test (if you can find the option!)
[08:54] <RupertEverton13> TJ- when should i press the combination ?
[08:54] <TJ-> RupertEverton13: see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/332783/grub-freezes-after-loading-initrd-unless-exact-steps-are-taken
[08:55] <RupertEverton> sorry i disconnected by mistake after clicking on the link
[08:57] <RupertEverton> TJ- the ctrl+alt+del approach was quite interesting, however didn’t quite produce any resolution. I pressed it after “loading initial ram disk” and the system rebooted, prompting me to re enter my decryption password and then back in the grub menu
[08:59] <TJ-> RupertEverton: that is what I'd expect it to do ... and if you let the default entry boot (unedited) does it hang again?
[08:59] <TJ-> RupertEverton: oops :) can you join another channel as well? #grub -- not many there but there may be a dev hanging about that might take a look in a few days when they read the backlog!
[09:00] <RupertEverton> yes, should I just post the link to the askubuntu ?
[09:01] <TJ-> RupertEverton: it can't hurt - more eyes sharing what's been tried the better
[09:01] <RupertEverton> TJ- and yes, the unedited boot entry is still stuck after ctrl alt del
[09:02] <RupertEverton> alright i’ll quickly disconnect from here and post the message. i’ll be right back
[09:04] <unimatrix9> hello all , i moved over from freenode to libera, since thats what ubuntu did, but noticed that our nick needs to be registered on this network, and you can login unto the ubuntu channel without registered nick, is this temporary ?
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> unimatrix9: +R is actualy only supposed to be active when the channel is flooded
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> so currently you can join without registering
[09:07] <unimatrix9> ok, i see
[09:07] <unimatrix9> is there a libera icon somewhere ? just builded an appimage for libera ( private use )
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> unimatrix9: https://libera.chat/
[09:10] <unimatrix9> thank you
[09:18] <RupertEverton> TJ- I'm back, had some issues reconnecting
[09:20] <TJ-> RupertEverton: I've found another possible workaround you should try. Basically, instead of allowing the UEFI firmware to boot its default entry, you press the hot-key to get the firmware's manual boot-selector menu (this is before it loads GRUB) and then from there choose the entry. See https://archived.forum.manjaro.org/t/boot-hangs-on-loading-inital-ramdisk/26842
[09:21] <TJ-> RupertEverton: this one is understandable and there is a fix (removing surplus UEFI boot manager entries leaving only the one /true/ entry)
[09:21] <RupertEverton> TJ- I've tried that multiple times and unfortunately wasn't helpful. ubuntu is my only entry
[09:22] <TJ-> RupertEverton: darn!
[09:23] <TJ-> RupertEverton: I found bugs from 11 years ago that talk about a bad implementation of the UEFI specs in some firmwares causing problems when loading into memory. Those particular issues (with Intel firmware) were fixed in GRUB back then, but the class of bug is a possiblity here
[09:24] <RupertEverton> TJ- does your guide use grub1 or 2?
[09:24] <TJ-> RupertEverton: 2 - 1 is ancient!
[09:24] <TJ-> RupertEverton: the UEFI memory-map bug http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?func=detailitem&item_id=30601
[09:26] <TJ-> RupertEverton: have you tried installing Debian, or some other Distro?
[09:26] <TJ-> RupertEverton: there is a vague possibilty this is something to do with the Ubuntu installer and your hardware
[09:27] <RupertEverton> TJ- no actually. I've only tried Ubuntu Budgie 20.04 and 21.04
[09:27] <TJ-> RupertEverton: I'd test with Debian Bullseye (testing)
[09:28] <RupertEverton> TJ- would I need to make any adaptation to your guide or can I just follow it blindly?
[09:30] <TJ-> RupertEverton: well I recommend ignoring my guide entirely and just trying a standard unencrypted install to reduce the problem area
[09:31] <RupertEverton> Oh then that shouldn't be an issue. I've been using unencrypted Ubuntu Budgie 20.04 for months with no issues
[09:31] <TJ-> RupertEverton: which reminds me; you did try an unencrypted install of Ubuntu and still have this same issue didnt you?
[09:31] <TJ-> RupertEverton: I thought in one of your emails you said this affected an unencrypted install as well?
[09:31] <RupertEverton> Nono, I specified that it works perfectly without encryption.
[09:31] <TJ-> oH! drat darn byoyi5^&!
[09:32] <RupertEverton> hahah no worries mate
[09:32] <TJ-> RupertEverton: sorry, I really had it in mind this was affecting both
[09:32] <RupertEverton> i guess we can skip debian then
[09:32] <TJ-> RupertEverton: Yes!
[09:33] <RupertEverton> TJ- do you think that if I try with "vanilla" Ubuntu instead of Ubuntu Budgie it'll make a difference?
[09:33] <TJ-> RupertEverton: I cannot think how LUKS could affect this though, since GRUB has opened the container in order to read its settting, show the menu, load its modules, and load the kernel and initrd.img
[09:34] <RupertEverton> veracrypt does this too btw. I tried another guide that encrypted root with veracrypt instead of luks and the result was the exact same. I'll actually mention this on the post
[09:34] <TJ-> RupertEverton: that might be a good test, yes! the more you can narrow this down the better. This is the kind of issue where to get to grips I need the system in front of me (intuition counts for a lot in these issues, picking up on subtle clues you would never know were significant)
[09:34] <TJ-> (even down to the speed of flashing of the cursor!)
[09:51] <RupertEverton> TJ- I was looking at the parameters of the grub entry. Just below recordfail I see "load_video" and below "gfxmode $linux_gfx_mode". Would removing those make a difference?
[09:54] <TJ-> RupertEverton: from what we think we know, I doubt it, since that is a kernel command-line option and it looks like the kernel isn't being started. but it may be worth trying to set GRUB into text mode via a manual change of the installed /etc/default/grub with GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX="text" followed by an 'update-grub' (in a chroot)
[09:54] <TJ-> RupertEverton: sorry, not a kernel command-line option, brain gone to pot! Yes, try , this should leave the UEFI video in text mode
[09:56] <RupertEverton> Alright, once the vanilla ubuntu usb is done creating I'll try this last thing and if nothing changes I'll try installing it vanilla
[09:58] <TJ-> RupertEverton: you've got a lot of staying power :)
[09:59] <RupertEverton> TJ- Yeah man! Gotta get this thing working now
[10:00] <RupertEverton> Alright live usb is ready, I'll be back in a little bit. I'll keep the forum post updated anyway
[10:45] <Belial`> is there any known issues in 21.04 where after adding a PPA you cannot locate the package? so far i've added slimbook's PPA and weechat's PPA and after updating, cannot find their provided software. it does show their repos updating during "apt update"
[10:46] <Belial`> i've also cleared the cache
[11:07] <Walex2> Belial`: it could be that are using some setting that strictly enforces the release level and those packages are not present for your release.
[11:08] <Walex2> Belial`: mann PPAs taget only LTS releases, or use names like "stable"
[11:43] <oerheks> this weechat ppa? https://launchpad.net/~nesthib/+archive/ubuntu/weechat
[11:43] <oerheks> that one is old, EOL
[11:43] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~slimbook/+archive/ubuntu/slimbook should give packages.
[11:43] <wez> irssi is a thing too
[11:46] <RupertEverton> TJ- I'm back, unfortunately with not so great news. Removing those two lines I mentioned before didn't help at all and vanilla Ubuntu doesn't seem to be bootable for some reasons. I tried startup disk creator, unetbootin, mounting the iso then copying the files to the formatted usb. Grub loads up but the installer doesn't start. So vanilla ubuntu seems a not so great option
[11:48] <TJ-> RupertEverton: that is without any encryption?
[11:49] <dreamon> Did a "fwupdmgr upgrades" that bricked my ssd. It upgraded successfully. It told me to reboot. after boot bios dont recognize ssd anymore
[11:51] <TJ-> dreamon: the firmware upgrades are those provided by the manufacturer. If there was an issue best to let the fwupd devs know so they can pull the firmware to prevent others suffering. https://fwupd.org/
[11:53] <RupertEverton> TJ- it's the live usb installer, so it's not encrypted. It shows all the grub options but neither the default one nor the safe graphics one work
[11:53] <TJ-> RupertEverton: starting to look like an Ubuntu installer issue now
[11:53] <TJ-> RupertEverton: back to plan B and try Debian Bullseye !
[11:54] <dreamon> TJ-, dont find a dev contact link/address
[11:54] <Belial`> oerheks: no sir. it was the one from their website. i am using weechat from the official repos but i usually try to use the latest version for my most used software. no big deal on that one though.
[11:58] <TJ-> dreamon: I'd start here: https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/issues
[12:01] <RupertEverton> TJ- I just had a thought. Since unencrypted installations show no problems, I could install it normally and then encrypt the root partition after. Is that feasible ?
[12:04] <TJ-> RupertEverton: difficult; easier to do a minimal install (space-wise) and then create new block devices after, encrypt them, copy everything in, reconfigure crypttab/fstab/boot/initrd/grub - even I'd take my time :)
[12:05] <TJ-> RupertEverton: I wish I could reproduce your issue - unless you're doing something slightly out of the usual, I cannot think of how it could fail like this. You've got LUKSv1 for /boot/ and LUKSv2 for the rest?
[12:05] <EriC^^> !ping
[12:08] <RupertEverton> TJ- yes, I've followed your guide step by step. Then I tried variations, like LUKSv1 for everything, or removing the swap volume but nothing seemed to be helpful
[12:11] <TJ-> RupertEverton: I'm reading up on the XPS 9550 in case it could be that. Found an arch-linux article about it that recommends ensuring the SATA devices are set to AHCI (not RAID which is the default)
[12:12] <TJ-> RupertEverton: some interesting (although older) comments in this https://bytee.net/blog/arch-linux-installation-on-dell-xps-15-9550
[12:13] <RupertEverton> TJ- I currently have it set to disabled but I'll try turning it to AHCI. Btw, I only have one ssd and no other storage devices connected (execpt for when I'm in the live session). Once I turn AHCI on, should I reinstall everything or just try to see if it boots?
[12:14] <TJ-> RupertEverton: ooo, this one! https://askubuntu.com/questions/972200/bios-does-not-detect-ssd-after-reboot-from-ubuntu-16-04-dell-xps-15
[12:14] <TJ-> RupertEverton: does it have NVME?
[12:14] <RupertEverton> yes
[12:15] <TJ-> RupertEverton: reinstall shouldn't be necessary for AHCI; drivers will pick up correctly
[12:15] <TJ-> RupertEverton: NVME is failing in the last link I gave you - worth a complete read
[12:16] <TJ-> RupertEverton: cannot see how this would only affect a LUKS install though!
[12:17] <RupertEverton> TJ- I'm seeing here that a possible solution would be to add a parameter to etc/default/grub. I guess I'd be doing that with chroot but when I tried before it said that /target can't be located. How would I go about editing grub then?
[12:17] <TJ-> RupertEverton: adding kernel options is only going to help if the kernel is being loaded... right now we seem to have evidence that it doesn't get that far
[12:18] <TJ-> RupertEverton: but these are all interesting leads to consider, just in case
[12:18] <RupertEverton> ahh fair
[12:18] <TJ-> RupertEverton: where are you located? I'm feeling the need to get my hands on that laptop!
[12:19] <RupertEverton> yes definitely, I saved the link for future reference. I'll quickly reboot to check whether AHCI makes a different. brb
[12:20] <RupertEverton> *difference
[12:43] <RupertEverton> TJ- I'm back. AHCI does not influence the abnormal behavior. While I was there I also tried disabling Intel stuff and that didnt make a difference either. Also, just to rule out some more, it doesnt matter whether the powercord is connected
[12:44] <TJ-> RupertEverton: do you fancy using a Teamviewer session into the installer so I can directly poke this beast? It's really difficult to do more than guess at things right now and whatever is going in is subtle
[12:45] <RupertEverton> Not a problem, let me just finish updating my post
[14:21] <TJ-> follow-up on RuperEverton's issue - we proved the install works using a virtual machine from the installer, so it looks like a hardware/UEFI settings issue
[14:29] <cbreak> I created an encrypted system by installing unencrypted
[14:29] <cbreak> then zfs sending the whole pool to my mac over SSH, destroying the rpool (but not bpool), and recreating it with encryption enabled. Then zfs sending the whole data back
[14:30] <cbreak> (with -x encrypted to make sure the received datasets are encrypted
[15:24] <no_gravity> Hello! Is it possible to have "links to directories" on the desktop? Say a link "images_from_berlin" that when you click on it opens the file browser with "/mnt/images/berlin" open? I know there are symlinks, but those are a bit tricky because you cannot see in the file browser the real location you are working on.
[15:28] <no_gravity> Maybe the easiest way is to just use a script that opens the file browser with the path as a parameter.
[15:31] <grovershor> script woud be the way i'd approach it
[15:32] <grovershor> then you could open it as a tab if you wanted as well
[15:32] <TJ-> You could create a .desktop file for it easily
[15:34] <no_gravity> grovershor: Hmm.. clicking a script with "xdg-open /some/where" in it asks me if I want to run it.  I clicked "run in terminal" at first.
[15:35] <no_gravity> Can I avoid the question if I want to run it?
[15:44] <TJ-> no_gravity: like this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yDCyRZCk9K/
[15:45] <no_gravity> TJ-: Let me try ...
[15:47] <TJ-> no_gravity: obviously replace 'thunar' with whatever file-manager your system preferes
[15:47] <no_gravity> TJ-: That goes into ~/? And then I would have to restart the desktop?
[15:48] <TJ-> it tells you where it lives in the first line comment
[15:48] <no_gravity> TJ-: Yeah, that is what I meant with ~/
[15:48] <TJ-> no_gravity: oh I made a mistake sorry, it should be in $HOME/Desktop/ !!!
[15:49] <TJ-> corrected! https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H4JkJTfWgH/
[15:49] <no_gravity> TJ-: And then I need to restart the desktop somehow?
[15:50] <TJ-> no_gravity: this assumes your Desktop environment allows files on the desktop; if it is gnome, it removed that feature and as I understand it needs an extension installing to recover the functionality
[15:50] <TJ-> I've not used Gnome since around 2008
[15:50] <grovershor> lol...i was wondering i failed testing that
[15:51] <no_gravity> TJ-: Hmm... I put that file in ~/Desktop/ but nothing happened.
[15:51] <ioria>  right click and 'Allow Launching' no grovershor
[15:52] <ioria>  right click and 'Allow Launching' no gravity
[15:53] <no_gravity> ioria: Ha! There is no "Allow launching" when I right-click, but there is "create launcher" which works nicely!
[15:53] <ioria> ok
[15:54] <no_gravity> It creates a script with "#!/usr/bin/env xdg-open" at the top.
[15:55] <ioria> no_gravity, what are you running , budgie ?
[15:55] <TJ-> the .desktop should be directly launched in any sane DE the same as they are when included in menus
[15:58] <ioria> TJ-, on gnome3 (3.36.7) you need to allow it explicitly and it sets it with  '764'  perms
[15:59] <TJ-> ioria: ah, makes some sense I guess
[16:00] <ioria> TJ-, the problem is running a shell script from the desktop;  apparently has been completely disabled
[16:02] <TJ-> .desktop files aren't shell scripts
[16:02] <ioria> luckly
[16:03] <TJ-> so does it require all .desktop files added to menus to also be marked executable (e.g. user adds them in $HOME/.local/share/applications/ ?
[16:03] <ioria> nope, not always TJ-
[16:05] <ioria> TJ-, you need to copy it in .local/share/app if you want to retrieve it in 'Activities'
[16:14] <dadjal06> bah
[16:45] <em> does #ubuntu support kubuntu ?
[16:46] <RatSalad> > #ubuntu supports Ubuntu and official flavor
[16:46] <RatSalad> flavors*
[16:46] <em> I don't know if kubuntu is an official 'flavor'
[16:46] <RatSalad> it is
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> !flavours
[16:47] <em> oh wow that's very serendipitous
[17:02] <em> I've had some problems with kubuntu on my laptop. When I'm using a browser (firefox or chromium) it just freezes up. Sometimes if I wait it comes back, but often I need to restart the laptop. I think it might be related to the nvidia driver, since changing that did change how often it happens, but it's not gone away.
[17:02] <em> Are there any known thoughts about that, or should I just try to install a newer version and hope it goes away?
[17:03] <tts> Hello! Can anyone help me with my monitor issue? I have a old ATI Radeon HD 2400 Pro graphics card and a new monitor that is connected from the DVI out of the graphics card to HDMI in on the monitor, and the screen is going blank constantly every couple of seconds, as if the resolution is changing.
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> em: you could always share your dmesg to the channel, so volunteers could take a look for you whats happening to your system
[17:04] <em> Okay thanks, does the dmesg contain any highly sensitive personal information?
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> em: not really, but making dmesg even less personal has been planned in the future
[17:08] <em> is dmesg a log that contains info from before I restarted?
[17:08] <em> or only since I restarted?
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> em: dmesg gives your current boot, for previous boot you can use journalctl -b -1
[17:18] <em> lotuspsychje: that's pretty interesting, is the journalctl the same as the dmesg, but from the previous boot?
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> em: dmesg will give you a lot of info, but the journal logs all info (more)
[17:19] <em> but just from the previous boot?
[17:20] <em> It must only go back so far
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> em: yes, the above command will give you only previous boot
[17:21] <em> that's pretty nifty
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> em: if you suspect nvidia drivers, you can also check on sudo lshw -C video and nvidia-smi
[17:24] <em> oh it looks like the -b -1 means the previous boot, an offset of -1
[17:26] <em> lotuspsychje: this is the output of that, does anything look off to you? https://dpaste.com/4DVA6QTJY
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> em: yes, there we have your problem already, unclaimed means driver not loaded
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> em: lets have a look at ubuntu-drivers list ?
[17:29] <em> lotuspsychje: how does one access the ubuntu-drivers list?
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> from terminal em
[17:30] <em> Here is what it says: https://dpaste.com/3LDHJMT9Z
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> em: are you on a desktop or a sever?
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> *server
[17:31] <em> I'm on a laptop
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> em: lets try sudo apt install nvidia-driver-460
[17:32] <em> okay sure
[17:33] <em> It says it is already the newest version: https://dpaste.com/HN6Q2EFLG
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> em: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade please
[17:34] <em> sure
[17:35] <em> E: Unable to locate package please
[17:35] <em> (I thought that was funny)
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> same command -please em :p
[17:37] <em> lotuspsychje: done.
[17:38] <em> should I restart or anything?
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> em: probably if you saw kernel/security updates
[17:39] <em> okay I'll be right back
[17:43] <em> lotuspsychje: ty, I have now done the full-upgrade and restarted
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> em: lets have another look in; sudo lshw -C video
[17:45] <em> lotuspsychje: this is the output of that: https://dpaste.com/A64QDG2SX
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> em: still not loaded, can you share dmesg
[17:45] <em> yes one sec.
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> !pm | em
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> em: could you please try turn off secure boot and try again?
[17:52] <em> Hmmm turning off secure boot? Is that something that would be done ini bios?
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> yes
[17:58] <em> lotuspsychje: I've gone into the bios and I put it on legacy support and legacy first.
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> em: ok, boot and lets try again
[17:58] <em> I'm assuming that might be what you mean by turning off secure boot
[17:59] <em> Well I think I did boot. I'm not aware of how to go into bios without booting.
[17:59] <em> lotuspsychje: in your opinion is it okay to share my dmesg in this public chat?
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> em: yes, i dont think it can harm you
[18:00] <em> okay thanks
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> em: lets check sudo lshw -C video, again after you booted legacy
[18:02] <em> It has changed https://dpaste.com/HK5X2MBBH
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> yeah it worked em
[18:04] <em> hm, thanks, I guess now wait and see if this makes a difference with the freezing up while using a browser
[18:05] <em> I wonder if anyone is supposed to really use secure boot, or if you should just always turn off secure boot when trying to use linux
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> em: depends on the usecase, some users need to fiddle around with uefi more for dualboots etc
[18:07] <jeremy31> I wonder if mokutil --disable-validation would have worked
[18:07] <em> I see. In the case that someone is only planning to run linux on their laptop would you recommend just turning off secure boot?
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> em: in my cases, i always install ubuntu machines legacy
[18:08] <em> cool
[18:08] <em> lotuspsychje: I really appreciate all the feedback and help. You have a remarkable knowledge of linux.
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> welcome em
[18:39] <ecsantos> hey, i'm trying to install ubuntu20.04 cloud image on kvm. host machine is a virtualbox vm running ubuntu21.04. for some reason, i can't get cloud-init to work properly. the hostname is changed, but password login doesn't work and ssh doesn't work
[19:06] <Guest2> i can't find the option to disable touchpad while typing in 21.04, how can I disable it?
[19:09] <tomreyn> Guest2: what'S the output of this, run in a terminal window?    gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad disable-while-typing
[19:11] <bumboks> I'm trying to install Ubuntu Server on an MD raid but the devices in the "Create software RAID (MD) disk" list is blank. Any ideas?
[19:12] <bumboks> I've tried both the 20.04 and 21.04 isos
[19:12] <Mekaneck> bumboks: probably #ubuntu-server is a better place to ask, IF someone is there to answer
[19:12] <bumboks> thanks, I'll give it a shot
[19:13] <Mekaneck> np, yw
[19:20] <Guest6150> how to safely remove old kernels?
[19:20] <tomreyn> Guest6150: did you see my previous message?
[19:29] <ecsantos> okay, so adding to my first message. apparently cloud-init fails to create the user, it says "Failed to create user admin". any ideas?
[19:31] <ecsantos> using names other than 'admin' and 'ubuntu' just works... does ubuntu cloud images have limitations on what names can we choose to add in cloud-init? i didn't find anything mentioning this in the docs
[19:48] <tomreyn> ecsantos: i think ost people here use the desktop installers. maybe try asking in #ubuntu-server. i thionkt here's also a channel related to the cloud images, but don't remember its name, maybe try /msg alis help
[20:14] <powderLib> about ubuntu's versioning
[20:15] <powderLib> if it were semantic, ubuntu 4.10 might be 1.0
[20:27] <morgans> my files app vanished. (because I removed tracking+ per channel)I want to reinstall it. 20.04
[20:30] <morgans> show in folder (for downloads) doesn't work either, shows folders not files.
[20:47] <H3dn1ng>   /exit
[20:51] <Peppi^> hello
[20:52] <Peppi^> hello
[20:52] <Peppi^> oops
[21:15] <dust> what is .local/share/tracker/data/tracker-store.journal
[22:07] <Aavar> If I want to be able to access files on my host from a lxc-container. Is it logical to use something like ssh-fs or nfs, or is there a better way?
[22:16] <leotr> Hello everybody.
[22:17] <leotr> I want to encrypt my rpool without reinstalling. Can I do it using send/receive?
[22:18] <leotr> assuming I have enough space on my drive (rpool is %30 of the total size). My thought is 1) create another encrypted pool 2) zfs send | zfs recv 3) drop old, rename new to old
[22:19] <leotr> My concern is whether it will work. Should I be configuring anyting to provide password or anything else. I read couple of articles on that, but seems like all of them are a bit outdated (they are suggesting to use some sort of rsync, which is probably not necessary with new ZoL
[22:55] <trohrt> omg libpam_mount is incredible
[22:55] <trohrt> got it working on 21.04 with sssd
[22:55] <trohrt> now to figure out offline files...
[23:08] <Unit193> Yes, yes it is.  Can be used with gocryptfs/cryfs.
[23:17] <Kon> Is the GNU variant of the which utility available in the repos? If so, it's not easily searchable
[23:19] <trohrt> Unit193: was that directed at me? thanks
[23:20] <Unit193> trohrt: Well, it was about libpam-mount at least!
[23:20] <leftyfb> Kon: /bin/which is part of the debianutils package in ubuntu
[23:21] <Kon> leftyfb: That's the Debian version, not the GNU version by Carlo Wood
[23:21] <Kon> The GNU version is default in RHEL, for example
[23:21] <leftyfb> Kon: is there a difference?
[23:22] <leftyfb> Kon: is there a particular feature of "which" you're looking for?
[23:22] <Kon> Yes, quite a number of additional parameters
[23:22] <leftyfb> Kon: I personally prefer to use "type -a"
[23:23] <Kon> In Ubuntu you can combine type parameters to get most of the information, but which is a little prettier to look at
[23:23] <trohrt> Unit193: oh ok i thought you meant about offline files :c
[23:23] <trohrt> Unit193: how would that work with libpam_mount
[23:24] <Unit193> Offline files?  Depends on what program you're using I guess.
[23:43] <feklee> How do I install scdaemon when booted into the live cd?
[23:44] <feklee> (on USB, version 20.04.2 LSB)
[23:46] <Bashing-om> feklee: Though will not persist a reboot - run ' sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade; sudo apt intall scdaemon ' .
[23:48] <feklee> Bashing-om: It's not there.
[23:49] <Bashing-om> feklee: It is there " scdaemon/focal-updates 2.2.19-3ubuntu2.1 amd64 " lemme check if this is  "universe repo" releatd.
[23:50] <Bashing-om> related*
[23:50] <tomreyn> feklee: is there an error message?
[23:51] <maxFlexGuest> I have tried to add a DEB repository with apt-add-repository (add-apt-repository), but I do not have a public key. I am unable to find information about how to find the missing public key for an Ubuntu DEB repository through the terminal.
[23:51] <Bashing-om> feklee: "Section: universe/utils" ... make sure the universe repo is enabled in software sources.
[23:51] <maxFlexGuest> The gpg command did not work, as the public key is not on my computer.
[23:52] <feklee> Bashing-om: There is no universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:54] <tomreyn> maxFlexGuest: whoever provides the apt repository should also provide information on how to obtain the key
[23:55] <Bashing-om> feklee: either from the FUI check box to enable -- or terminal ' sudo add-apt-repository universe ' .
[23:55] <tomreyn> maxFlexGuest: you could also try pulling it off a public key server such as keyserver.ubuntu.com or keys.openpgp.org
[23:55] <Bashing-om> GUI*
[23:57] <feklee> Bashing-om: Thanks, that worked! :-D
[23:58] <Bashing-om> feklee: :D - ubuntu - together we can :)
[23:58] <maxFlexGuest> What is the terminal command for a public key that is not available (preventing possible installation)?


[01:27] <slrocketchat> @marcoceppi   we are using wip  layer-mongodb to deploy an instance of 2.6.10 ;  found that the default instance gives `MongoError: not master and slaveOk=false`  and needed a `rs.initiate()` from the mongo shell to make it primary before accessible (read/write)  ; is there any way to build this into the default instance?  tia


[00:12] <a123> yesterday cherylj help me fix a hung jujud process. I'm wonder how to go about debugging that if it happens again. Is there any info that can be extracted by attaching gdb to the pid?
[00:16] <mup> Bug #1579059 changed: MainSuite.TestFirstRun2xFrom1x fails on windows <blocker> <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Fix Released by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1579059>
[00:16] <mup> Bug #1579173 changed: wily configSuite.TestNewModelConfig test failure lxd <blocker> <ci> <lxd> <regression> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <wily> <juju-core:Fix Released by reedobrien> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1579173>
[00:22] <davecheney> a123: https://github.com/juju/juju/wiki/pprof-facility
[00:23] <a123> davecheney: great. thanks
[00:51] <davecheney> thumper: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1580391
[00:51] <mup> Bug #1580391: juju/errors tests do not pass with go 1.6 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580391>
[00:51] <davecheney> looks like this never worked
[00:51] <davecheney> maybe I should delete the feature
[01:01] <mup> Bug #1580391 opened: juju/errors tests do not pass with go 1.6 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580391>
[01:11] <mup> Bug #1580391 changed: juju/errors tests do not pass with go 1.6 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580391>
[01:17] <mup> Bug #1580391 opened: juju/errors tests do not pass with go 1.6 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580391>
[01:19] <redir_> easy review http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4800/
[01:21] <davecheney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1580400
[01:21] <mup> Bug #1580400: cmd/juju/charmcmd is untested <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580400>
[01:31] <thumper> davecheney: I can look at errors if you like
[01:32] <mup> Bug #1580400 opened: cmd/juju/charmcmd is untested <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580400>
[01:44] <mup> Bug #1580400 changed: cmd/juju/charmcmd is untested <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580400>
[01:47] <mup> Bug #1580400 opened: cmd/juju/charmcmd is untested <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580400>
[02:21] <thumper> davecheney: it did work...
[02:22] <thumper> davecheney: however, I think I'd rather remove it...
[02:22] <thumper> davecheney: it is a bit bollocks IMO
[02:26] <davecheney> thumper: it probably did work
[02:26] <davecheney> but it stopped working a looooooooooooooooong time ago
[02:26] <davecheney> and nobody noticed
[02:27] <thumper> well... 1.2
[02:29] <davecheney> yup, so when I said "loooong time ago" and "nobody noticed", those statements are still correct :)
[02:32] <anastasiamac> davecheney: o/
[02:33] <davecheney> anastasiamac: hello!
[02:35] <natefinch> davecheney: what, 1.2 has only been out of date for 23 months
[02:35] <anastasiamac_> davecheney: r u coming?
[02:36] <davecheney> anastasiamac_: where ?
[02:36] <natefinch> davecheney: it's not like we can just build a binary that'll work without the right version of go installed
[02:36] <davecheney> anastasiamac_: coming
[02:37] <anastasiamac_> davecheney: the meeting u've acepted :D sent u a link into pm
[02:37] <davecheney> anastasiamac_: i'm in the hangout
[02:37] <davecheney> nobodyu is talking
[02:50] <mup> Bug #1580417 opened: Allow a different VPC ID to be used for hosted models <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580417>
[03:00] <mwhudson> i don't *think* i want to put go 1.2 in my ~gophers ppa :)
[03:08] <davecheney> mwhudson: that'll be a paddling
[03:13] <axw> wallyworld: we need yet another endpoint in clouds.yaml: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1580423
[03:13] <mup> Bug #1580423: provider/azure: add identity endpoint to clouds.yaml <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580423>
[03:20] <mup> Bug #1580423 opened: provider/azure: add identity endpoint to clouds.yaml <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580423>
[05:29] <wallyworld> axw: osrry, missed ping, yeah saw bug
[05:30] <mup> Bug #1580418 opened: Cached local charms should be deleted when their service is removed <juju-core:In Progress by wallyworld> <juju-core 1.25:In Progress by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580418>
[05:49] <davecheney> thumper https://github.com/juju/errors/pull/25
[05:57] <menn0> davecheney, wallyworld or axw: easy fix for one of the blockers: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4804/diff/
[05:57] <menn0> took me ages to get my windows VM working again to be able to repro it though
[05:57] <menn0> and quite a while to confirm the problem
[05:57] <wallyworld> lgtm
[05:57] <wallyworld> thanks :-)
[05:58] <menn0> wallyworld, axw: that was fast. thanks :)
[05:58] <axw> np
[08:01] <axw> menn0 fwereade_: tech board
[08:10] <voidspace> hmmmm... when I install XChat-Gnome it still has the config from the lost XChat
[08:10] <voidspace> although under Xenial XChat-Gnome looks even worse than XChat did
[08:11] <frobware> jam: ping
[08:12] <jam> frobware: pong
[08:12] <frobware> jam: want to sync after standup?
[08:12] <jam> frobware: sure
[08:14]  * frobware notes that swap days do lead to a huge accumulation of unread email...
[08:24] <mup> Bug #1580485 opened: juju/tools/lxdclient: TestUsingTCP and TestUsingRemoteTCP not isolated from the host and failing <lxd> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580485>
[08:29] <thumper> voidspace: ping
[08:30] <dimitern> thumper: o/
[08:31] <dimitern> thumper: is this even implemented: `juju add-user --share model username` ?
[08:31] <dimitern> error: flag provided but not defined: --share
[08:32] <dimitern> hmm apparently not
[08:37] <voidspace> thumper: pong
[08:41] <thumper> dimitern: something like that should work
[08:54] <mup> Bug #1580497 opened: juju2 on maas permanent " connection is shut down" msg and loss of connection <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580497>
[08:54] <mup> Bug #1580501 opened: cloudimg-base-url parameters not in Juju2 anymore <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580501>
[08:56] <voidspace> dimitern: babbageclunk: frobware: last of the test changes for AllocateContainerAddresses
[08:56] <voidspace> http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4805/
[08:56] <voidspace> a nice easy one to review :-)
[08:58] <dimitern> thumper: I figured it out - first `juju add-user --models admin --acl read bob Bob` then running the suggested `juju register ...`
[08:58] <dimitern> voidspace: looking
[09:01] <hoenir> :w
[09:02] <voidspace> dimitern: standup?
[09:02] <dimitern> the plot thickens: ERROR storing charm for URL "cs:ubuntu-0": delegatable macaroon is not obtainable using admin credentials
[09:02] <dimitern> voidspace: omw, sorry
[09:04] <axw> jam thumper fwereade_ menn0: just stumbled across http://opentracing.io/
[09:04] <axw> looks interesting, I'll dig a bit
[09:05] <menn0> axw: that does look interesting
[09:12] <dimitern> voidspace: reviewed
[09:12] <voidspace> dimitern: thanks
[09:34] <frobware> jam: standup running over
[09:35] <jam> frobware: k
[09:35] <jam> not unexpected :)
[09:41] <TheMue> morning
[09:53] <jam> axw: interesting. though looking at it only 3 actual implementations and 2 of those are private
[09:53] <jam> axw: appdash has direct support, and zipking has private support, lightstep has a private beta
[10:31] <frobware> jam: I can see you on the hangout, not sure if you can hear me though.
[10:42]  * dimitern is loving the $JUJU_HOME/aliases support!
[10:43] <dimitern> juju bootstrap dimitern aws/us-east-1 --upload-tools -> juju bud aws/us-east-1
[10:51] <babbageclunk> frobware: I meant to ask, now you're back - any idea why I get -ve times from strace -cf?
[10:51] <babbageclunk> frobware: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16357965/
[11:30] <babbageclunk> dooferlad: ha, running the tests with tmpfs is heaps faster, unsurprisingly - the expensive bits in mongo 3.2 (index creation and DB teardown) are only 10x as slow then.
[11:31] <dooferlad> babbageclunk: :-)
[11:46] <hoenir> could anyone review my pr ? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4809/
[12:31] <alexisb> jam, fwereade__, frobware, cherylj ping
[12:32] <jam> alexisb: omw
[12:48] <babbageclunk> hoenir: hi - I'm looking at it
[13:25] <mup> Bug #1276444 changed: juju switch -l should look at jenv files to add to available environments <switch> <juju-core:Invalid> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276444>
[13:25] <mup> Bug #1282217 changed: Specifying bootstrap-host requires editing environments.yaml <bootstrap> <ci> <manual-provider> <juju-core:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282217>
[13:34] <mup> Bug #1276444 opened: juju switch -l should look at jenv files to add to available environments <switch> <juju-core:Invalid> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276444>
[13:34] <mup> Bug #1282217 opened: Specifying bootstrap-host requires editing environments.yaml <bootstrap> <ci> <manual-provider> <juju-core:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282217>
[13:37] <mup> Bug # changed: 1276444, 1282217, 1564511, 1580314
[13:38] <babbageclunk> hoenir: reviewed
[13:40] <mup> Bug #1564511 opened: cmd/jujud/reboot tests fail with lxd container running <blocker> <ci> <regression> <s390x> <tech-debt> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <xenial> <juju-core:Fix Released by cox-katherine-e> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1564511>
[13:40] <mup> Bug #1580314 opened: MainSuite.TestFirstRun2xFrom1xOnUbuntu Exec function not called on windows <blocker> <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Fix Released by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580314>
[13:45] <hoenir> babbageclunk, thanks, found a bug , need to work on it more
[13:55] <mup> Bug #1564511 changed: cmd/jujud/reboot tests fail with lxd container running <blocker> <ci> <regression> <s390x> <tech-debt> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <xenial> <juju-core:Fix Released by cox-katherine-e> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1564511>
[13:55] <mup> Bug #1580314 changed: MainSuite.TestFirstRun2xFrom1xOnUbuntu Exec function not called on windows <blocker> <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Fix Released by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580314>
[13:57] <alexisb> katco, morning
[13:57] <katco> alexisb: morning
[13:58] <alexisb> katco, I need someone to pickup this bug today: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1580184
[13:58] <mup> Bug #1580184: Timeout in github.com/juju/juju/apiserver/service on windows <blocker> <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580184>
[13:58] <katco> alexisb: ack. we'll see who's doing what and get it done
[13:58] <alexisb> katco, thank you
[13:58] <katco> alexisb: np
[14:25] <natefinch> fwereade__: interesting thought.... is there a way to list all machines from all models on a controller?
[14:26] <natefinch> fwereade__: just got an AWS alert for high usage, and wanted to see how many machines I was using from my aws controller
[14:43] <mup> Bug #1580626 opened: provider/openstack: Don't use a hard-coded clock.WallClock in deleteSecurityGroup <tech-debt> <testing> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580626>
[15:14] <alexisb> perrito666, ping
[15:14] <perrito666> alexisb: pong
[15:15] <alexisb> heya perrito666 I am available early for our 1x1 if you are also available
[15:15] <perrito666> I am
[15:15] <perrito666> usual channel?
[15:16] <alexisb> yep
[15:16] <perrito666> already there
[15:31] <redir_> natefinch: any pointers on how to reproduce races?
[15:32] <natefinch> redir_: go test -race ? :)
[15:32] <natefinch> redir_: link me to the bug?
[15:35] <redir_> natefinch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1580186
[15:35] <mup> Bug #1580186: Race in github.com/juju/juju/worker/instancepoller/aggregate_test.go <blocker> <ci> <intermittent-failure> <race-condition> <regression> <unit-tests> <juju-core:In Progress by reedobrien> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580186>
[15:36] <redir_> natefinch: they seem to hit it on every CI run, but I can't make it happen here.
[15:36] <redir_> bbiab
[15:36] <natefinch> redir_: k
[15:50] <katco> fwereade__: hey sorry, i have to move on from that PR and pick up another blocker. i'll circle back when/if i get some free time
[15:53] <alexisb> natefinch, just fyi, for the blocker bug you picked up... if you need a repo case sinzui would be happy to provide access to the machine where the test is failing consistently
[15:53] <natefinch> alexisb: consistent repros are my favorite thing in the world
[15:54] <alexisb> :)
[16:12] <katco> ericsnow: hey i'm ocr today. what was the impetus for http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4812/ ?
[16:13] <katco> ericsnow: looks like maybe so we can stop consuming the loggo package just for a testing utility?
[16:14] <ericsnow> katco: it's a precursor I had kicking around for a follow-up cleanup patch (itself to be followed by a patch that may be useful for the syslog work)
[16:14] <katco> ericsnow: ahh
[16:14] <katco> ericsnow: well looks like you have a shipit at any rate
[16:14] <perrito666> bbl
[16:14] <ericsnow> katco: trying to avoid moving code around in the same patch where I change stuff :)
[16:14] <katco> ericsnow: excellent idea :)
[16:24] <natefinch> katco: would like a review on http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4801/ if you get a chance
[16:24] <katco> natefinch: tal
[17:04] <katco> ericsnow: errr... not even sure my comment to you went through, but if so, it looks like it was a connection issue on my end
[17:05] <ericsnow> katco: apparently it didn't go through as I don't know what you're talking about :)
[17:05] <katco> ericsnow: ha. i was complaining that review board was acting up again
[17:05] <ericsnow> katco: great :(
[17:05] <katco> ericsnow: then my irc bouncer kicked me from all the channels at once and i wised up :)
[17:06] <katco> ericsnow: no, like i said i'm pretty sure it was just a connection problem on my end
[17:06] <ericsnow> katco: oh, phew :)
[17:11] <katco> natefinch: you have a review. mostly just some questions
[17:11] <natefinch> katco: cool, thanks
[17:53] <mup> Bug #1580714 opened: ubuntu user not in 'lxd' group on xenial instances <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580714>
[18:23] <mup> Bug #1580717 opened: Juju agent stuck in pending if charm storage's minimum-size exceeds available disk space on machine <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580717>
[19:27] <natefinch> oh boy, interesting.... package launchpad.net/tomb: cannot download, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~niemeyer/tomb/trunk/ uses insecure protocol
[19:35] <katco> natefinch: i think he moved tomb over to github didn't he?
[19:36] <katco> natefinch: https://gopkg.in/tomb.v2
[19:36] <natefinch> katco: we still seem to use launchpad.net/tomb somewhere in juju though
[19:36] <katco> natefinch: time to standardize :)
[19:37] <natefinch> katco: actually, we don't use the gopkg.in version at all
[19:39] <perrito666> we could standardize oooor, we could make a script that uses launchpad, github or gopkg randomly
[19:39] <perrito666> super fun to debug
[19:39] <natefinch> only 3 deps in juju on launchpad, and 1 already exists in github....
[19:40] <natefinch> niemeyer3: do you know if there's a launchpad-side fix possible for the "package foo: cannot download, uses insecure protocol" error?  Is there something the project owner can do to enable https?
[19:41] <katco> natefinch: i believe he is on a plane
[19:41] <natefinch> katco: ahh boo
[19:42] <perrito666> katco: well if he can tweet a picture in flight he might very well have irc :p
[19:42] <natefinch> lol true
[19:42] <katco> perrito666: that's an excellent point. where are his priorities! ;p
[19:44] <natefinch> heh: C:\Users\Administrator\src\github.com\juju\juju\apiserver\service>go test
[19:44] <natefinch> 2016-05-11 22:44:03 WARNING juju.testing mgo.go:186 failed to start mongo: exec: "/usr/local/bin/mongod": file does not exist
[19:45] <perrito666> ahhh how fun
[19:45] <perrito666> natefinch: beware, that might be a red herring
[19:45] <perrito666> I recall an error somewhere having the path hardcoded even though it was looking in the right place
[19:45] <perrito666> but I am pretty sure I fixed all of those
[19:46] <natefinch> perrito666: the windows tests require mongo?
[19:46] <perrito666> natefinch: some of them
[19:46] <natefinch> perrito666: we don't support windows as a controller
[19:46] <perrito666> and if you are using the instructions provided by cloudbase you should have it installed
[19:46] <natefinch> perrito666: I thought I was, but their instructions either have changed or I was looking at the wrong page
[19:47] <perrito666> natefinch: well no, but our unit tests are little unit-ish and need a mongo to try the most elemental things
[19:47] <natefinch> perrito666: it really boggles my mind that we don't actually support running mongo on windows or controller code running on windows... but the tests assume it works ok
[19:48] <perrito666> natefinch: the tests run a fake controller
[19:48] <perrito666> that sort of works
[19:48] <perrito666> http://wiki.cloudbase.it/juju-testing
[19:48] <perrito666> http://wiki.cloudbase.it/juju-testing#getting_a_ssl_enabled_version_of_mongodexe
[19:48] <natefinch> (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
[19:48] <perrito666> to be accurate
[19:48] <natefinch> yeah, I was there... I guess I just didn't scroll down all the way before
[19:49] <natefinch> man, I can't get any of their powershell to run on this machine... I don't know what I'm doing wrong, if it's a different version of powershell or what
[19:50] <natefinch> oops, well, that one was a typo
[20:03] <mup> Bug #1564577 changed: Add MAAS 2.0 support in Juju 2.0 <juju-core:Fix Released by thumper> <juju-core 1.25:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1564577>
[20:03] <babbageclunk> perrito666: ping?
[20:05] <perrito666> babbageclunk: sorry was having afternoon tea
[20:05] <perrito666> how can I help you?
[20:06] <babbageclunk> alexisb said that you knew about Mongo - I'm looking at bug 1573294
[20:06] <mup> Bug #1573294: state tests run 100x slower with mongodb3.2 <juju-release-support> <mongo3> <mongodb> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1573294>
[20:06] <babbageclunk> perrito666: just wanted to ask if you had any advice or suggestions.
[20:07] <babbageclunk> perrito666: Basically digging into it it seems like everything is slower in Mongo3.2.
[20:08] <perrito666> babbageclunk: you have to be kidding me
[20:08] <perrito666> what could have changed since early versions of 3 :(
[20:09] <perrito666> babbageclunk: that is very sad news, 2.x is EOL
[20:10] <babbageclunk> perrito666: Well, from rereading the bug it sounds like it's really the wiredtiger storage engine that's the problem
[20:11] <perrito666> babbageclunk: it is, but mmapv1 is also EOL
[20:11] <babbageclunk> perrito666: Ah, that was what I was about to ask.
[20:11] <perrito666> babbageclunk: it sounds almost as if mongo sucked :p
[20:14] <babbageclunk> perrito666: Maybe it's because the tests are essentially sequential, while WT is more tuned for concurrent writes?
[20:15] <perrito666> I reached a similar conclusion that the one in the bug, michael was nice enough to put data behind that
[20:15] <bdx> is it possible to have multiple lxd hypervisor as resources under one juju lxd controller?
[20:17] <perrito666> babbageclunk: that is an interesting theory, I also suggested that the fixed cost of bootstraping stuff in WT was high and since our tests seem to do that a lot that causes the pain
[20:18] <perrito666> babbageclunk: I wonder if we can design a few cheap benchmarks to see how can we better use wt?
[20:18] <babbageclunk> perrito666: I've hacked out the index creation in the tests, and while that cuts out some of the cost they're still much slower under 3.2.
[20:19] <perrito666> mwhudson suggests that he did a deep trace of the db run, do we have numbers of there are the other 10X?
[20:22] <babbageclunk> perrito666: I was running it under strace, but that was giving nonsense numbers (negative call times in the child processes).
[20:22] <babbageclunk> perrito666: I've hacked up something that can get the same numbers from perf trace, and it lets me split out the syscals in mongo from the ones in our test code.
[20:23] <babbageclunk> perrito666: Actually, would you be able to run the strace command for me to see if you get the same weird numbers?
[20:23] <perrito666> certainly
[20:23] <perrito666> lets go priv
[20:28] <niemeyer3> natefinch: Hey
[20:28] <niemeyer3> natefinch: Sorry, what's the question again?
[20:29] <natefinch> niemeyer3: go get as of 1.5?  definitely 1.6 will refuse to download from launchpad without the -insecure flag, because it goes over http, not https
[20:30] <natefinch> niemeyer3: sorry, gotta run, but will read responses.  No rush, just wondering if there was a way for a package author on launchpad to enable https to avoid that problem
[20:33] <mup> Bug #1564577 opened: Add MAAS 2.0 support in Juju 2.0 <juju-core:Fix Committed by thumper> <juju-core 1.25:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1564577>
[20:33] <niemeyer3> natefinch3: ECONTEXT, feel free to reach out when you have time.. o/
[21:03] <redir_> katco: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4813/
[21:03] <redir_> pls
[21:06] <katco> redir_:
[21:06] <katco> redir_: sec
[21:06] <redir_> katco: np
[21:06] <redir_> easy one too
[21:24] <katco> redir_: running into meetings, but i want to give this one more time. something looks fishy here
[22:01] <alexisb> wallyworld, ping
[22:18] <mup> Bug #1580184 changed: Timeout in github.com/juju/juju/apiserver/service on windows <blocker> <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Fix Released by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580184>
[22:48] <mup> Bug #1580802 opened: NoContextWithLock fails on windows because of another process <blocker> <ci> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580802>
[23:02] <axw> jam: (bit delayed) yeah, and I tried appdash and its UI is a little underwhelming. I modified jujud to create spans for each API connection, and subspans for each API call that comes in. easy enough, tho it's just a hack. it would be nice to be able to drill into timings for provider API calls too, so we'd probably end up exposing the tracing API to provisioners, firewaller, etc.
[23:14] <wallyworld> axw: anastasiamac_: redir_: perrito666: dtuck in meeting, will be a few minutes late
[23:15] <perrito666> wallyworld: tis ok, we love you anyway
[23:15] <anastasiamac_> wallyworld: ping when u r ready
[23:15] <anastasiamac_> so melodramatic perrito666 :-P
[23:20] <wallyworld> axw: anastasiamac_: there now
[23:55] <mwhudson> natefinch: heh i just ran into https://github.com/coreos/go-systemd/issues/156 (again)