[10:23] <smartboyhw> zequence, I want to post http://paste.ubuntu.com/5770487/ in my blog, so please review it:P
[10:26] <zequence> is mate available for Ubuntu?
[10:26] <zequence> I've never checked
[10:27] <smartboyhw> zequence, dunno:P But OvenWerks said that the menu just can't fit in there...
[10:27] <zequence> He might have been testing Mint
[10:27] <smartboyhw> Yeah though
[10:28] <zequence> We aren't designing an application to choose between DEs
[10:29] <zequence> it would just be an addition to the ubiquity installer (haven't yet checked how that works, but should be rather straight forward)
[10:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Our plan is to make an extension in ubiquity where users can choose whatever DE they want to use. Our live ISO will still include Xfce as the default desktop (and probably we will install it along with the user's DE of choice alongside so there's a backup solution), but we will give the users a convenient choice for using KDE or Unity.
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Is that OK?
[10:30] <zequence> sure
[10:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, can I post it now?
[10:31] <zequence> I'd be bloggin about this myself, or announcing our plans on Ubuntu Studio news, but haven't since very little is decided yet
[10:31] <zequence> I can't spot any other errors right now
[10:32] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK. Posting it now...
[10:32] <zequence> In general terms, one could say, we're exploring the way we could support multiple DEs
[14:01] <OvenWerks> zequence: (and anyone else) I would suggest that we only suport a DE if there is at least one person who is willing to support/keep up to date/test that DE.
[14:02] <OvenWerks> XFCE should remain the supported by the whole team.
[14:02] <OvenWerks> but other DEs should have one person each to keep them up (at least)
[14:03]  * smartboyhw keeps KDE since he is a Kubuntu member
[14:03] <smartboyhw> And a packager too (now bumbling about some stupid Krita code)
[14:03] <OvenWerks> By DEs, I mean DE metas we ship as opposed DEs we expect people to install our metas into.
[14:05] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: our menu package just works with KDE. KDE is the only DE that has gotten it right
[14:05] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, \o/
[14:05] <OvenWerks> All of the other DEs do the menu merging at the wrong time.
[14:06]  * OvenWerks is just playing with lubuntu right now.
[14:06] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, zequence do you think it will take a much longer time to test DE testcases before milestone releases?
[14:06] <OvenWerks> Another boot...
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Maybe let me try to do some ISo testing now...
[14:08] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: I am thinking that for other DEs it would be nice to come up with an icon/logo that is half of the DE logo and half ours
[14:08] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, !?
[14:09] <smartboyhw> We are making another distribution then if so
[14:09] <OvenWerks> Like the KDE logo is round and ours is round... so take half of each.
[14:09] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, sure but GNOME?
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Half-foot!?
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Unity even?
[14:09] <OvenWerks> cool
[14:09]  * smartboyhw doesn't even think that Unity has a logo, IIRC.
[14:10] <OvenWerks> It just uses the ubuntu cof
[14:11] <OvenWerks> Ya and which end of the mouse do we use?
[14:11] <smartboyhw> ?!
[14:11] <OvenWerks> maybe that is not such a great idea
[14:11] <OvenWerks> The mouse is xubuntu
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Yeah...
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Hmm, the -minimal thing doesn't exist for Kubuntu...
[14:12] <OvenWerks> Shouldn't be to hard to make one though
[14:12] <OvenWerks> The big thing would be to remove libre office
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Maybe we actually have..
[14:13] <OvenWerks> Studio already ships a lot of the KDE DE from pulling in kdenlive
[14:13]  * smartboyhw is asking in #kubuntu-devel
[14:13] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, that's true.
[14:14]  * OvenWerks will probably end up running KDE on his personal machine.
[14:14] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, we have kde-base for minimal.
[14:14] <smartboyhw> ;)
[14:15] <OvenWerks> Cool. Is that one of the seeds?
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Or kde-standards
[14:16] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, not exactly
[14:16] <OvenWerks> meta then.
[14:16] <OvenWerks> All you need is the debian/control file
[14:17] <OvenWerks> The list of depends will be in there
[14:18] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, the source package is meta-kde.
[14:19] <smartboyhw> I think kde-standard should be good enough
[14:20] <OvenWerks> Should be easy to drop the stuff into a seed... or just make that package the whole seed :)
[14:21] <OvenWerks> What happens if you install that meta on top of Studio?
[14:21] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, it gets you a very basic desktop with the kde *utilities* only.
[14:21] <smartboyhw> It doesn't include apps like krita or calligra or kdenlive
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Basically, a very bare KDE
[14:22] <OvenWerks> That shouldn't matter, because we ship all that stuff anyway
[14:23] <OvenWerks> Remember that the whole xfce stuff is already installed...
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Yeah
[14:24] <OvenWerks> Time to do bug reports :)
[14:24] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:48] <OvenWerks> lubuntu bug done... now for lxlauncher and lxmenu-data
[14:48] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, where's the bug?
[14:48]  * smartboyhw would be willing to tell the Lubuntu people
[14:49] <OvenWerks> Bug #1191527
[14:56] <zequence> OvenWerks: artwork would fall into madeinkobaias department, so any ideas should be passed along to him
[14:56] <zequence> Until said otherwise, our XFCE based desktop is default
[14:57] <zequence> right now, we have nothing else. We're just looking at the possibilities, so nothing to really make decisions on, I think
[14:57] <OvenWerks> next time he is on I will ask. We have to look at manpower first of course and as you say xfce comes first
[14:57] <zequence> Depends very much on how we enable the other DEs
[14:58] <zequence> might be as simple as running a script to update all of them for each new release
[14:58] <OvenWerks> ls
[14:58] <OvenWerks> oops wrong window
[15:02] <OvenWerks> could be.
[15:02] <OvenWerks> The extra artwork would take more time though
[16:47] <OvenWerks> micahg: I have been redoing ubuntustudio-menu from the ground up. I have been uploading snapshots to my own ppa for testing. With BZR I have been doing lots of commits.
[16:48] <OvenWerks> I can upload all of the commits or I can rebranch and just move all of the changes in in one lump as a starting point.
[16:48] <OvenWerks> which is better?
[16:54] <OvenWerks> What the branch looks like is https://code.launchpad.net/~len-ovenwerks/+junk/ubuntustudio-menu
[17:32] <micahg> OvenWerks: you can merge the whole branch in if you like, it'll show up as one commit in the main listing, but you can drill down into the merged commits as well
[17:40] <zequence> micahg: we really need to get ubuntustudio-controls out of the repo
[17:40] <zequence> I always forget about it
[17:41] <zequence> it hasn't been doing anything useful I think for 3 years or so :P
[17:41] <zequence> well, maybe for firewire a little less than that
[17:42] <micahg> zequence: file a removal request and subscribe sponsors or ping me
[17:42] <zequence> micahg: Is that like a bug?
[17:42] <micahg> yes
[17:42] <zequence> ok, thanks
[19:32] <madeinkobaia> Hi all, for those who are concerned, I actually testing a new banner for our social sites. You can have a live preview of the actual project banner on my g+ page : https://plus.google.com/u/0/112937756282972852089/posts any feedbacks are welcome.
[22:24] <OvenWerks> micahg: Thank you. It is not quite ready yet... I keep finding things I don't like.
[22:28] <OvenWerks> zequence: Just found out how much you can put into a video machine: http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/Maximus.cfm Thats 5 GPUs in one machine. Oh and I think the two cpus are 8 cores a piece. These guys seem to have some of the lowest latency MB around (according to the RT test site). I may buy one of the lower priced ones when I have the resources to upgrade.
[22:30] <Noskcaj> OvenWerks, use it for folding
[22:32] <OvenWerks> Folding?
[22:33] <OvenWerks> From what I read one of the GPUs is the actual video output and the other four are extra rendering processors
[22:34] <OvenWerks> It is more than I want/need.
[22:35] <OvenWerks> I will be looking for something with Intel graphics so I can use free drivers.
[22:35] <OvenWerks> I know they are not "the best", but better than anything I have and more than I need for my uses.


[03:49] <Guest3111> hello
[04:56] <Guest31111> i can't fix it
[04:56] <Guest31111> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217660
[04:56] -ubottu:#lubuntu- bugzilla.kernel.org bug 217660 in Drivers "Laptop internal keyboard not working on ASUS Vivobook Go E1504GA" [Blocking, New]
[05:00] <guiverc> Guest31111, please don't post in multiple rooms
[05:01] <Guest31111> each room is distinct with a different group of people
[05:02] <guiverc> this is a Ubuntu room then, please post questions in a single Ubuntu room based on what you're using then.
[05:02] <Guest31111> i already did
[05:03] <guiverc> (all flavors of Ubuntu - https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours - are still Ubuntu ; so I don't want to see the same question pasted in different places
[05:04] <guiverc> i thought the response in #ubuntu may have been appropriate; ie. where to check for clues
[05:06] <Guest31111> OMG i need answers either help me or shut up
[05:07] <guiverc> did you try asus for answers?  & Please be polite
[05:41] <Guest31111> i doubt asus has any answers
[05:41] <Guest31111> its more of a 1 year wait to maybe push a patch type of situation


[12:31] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58408 in blueprint "Can't associate a branch with a specification" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58408
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58410 in malone ""Subscribe Someone Else" should be restricted to drivers of relevant software" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58410
[03:22] <lifeless> err
[03:22] <lifeless> that seems excessively restrictived
[03:23] <mpt> Well, it wasn't my first choice
[03:25] <mpt> and it probably would be worse than the status quo, actually
[03:59] <somerville32> What is the date format for Launchpad?
[03:59] <somerville32> ie: What is 2006-06-07?
[04:02] <crimsun> ISO date
[04:02] <crimsun> year month day
[04:06] <mpool> hello
[04:06] <mpool> is staging down at the moment?
[04:19] <jamesh> mpool: it seems to be down at the moment, lifeless can probably kick it
[04:19] <mpool> i don't really care
[04:19] <mpool> i just wasn't clear if it was generally expected to be up or not?
[04:20] <jamesh> it is supposed to come up automatically again, but often it doesn't (which is a problem)
[04:28] <somerville32> I made a mistake in a bugreport.
[04:28] <somerville32> https://launchpad.net/products/xfdesktop/+bug/48924
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48924 in xfwm4 "Icons on desktop (single click and resizing)" [Unknown,Unknown]
[04:29] <somerville32> I added a package from upstream to the effected list thinger but made a mistake and picked the wrong one for one of them
[04:29] <somerville32> I'd like to change xfwm4 (upstream) to xfdesktop (upstream).
[04:30] <jamesh> click on "xfwm4 (upstream)" and change the package name
[04:30] <somerville32> We can't
[04:30] <somerville32> And there isn't a package name, just a product name :P
[04:30] <jamesh> ah.
[04:31] <jamesh> you won't be able to change it to xfdesktop anyway, since you've already got an xfdesktop task
[04:31] <somerville32> Ok
[04:31] <somerville32> What should I do then?
[04:31] <jamesh> I'd probably leave it as is
[04:31] <somerville32> The bug report has a wishlist item AND an actual bug report in one and hence there is two corresponding bug reports upstream for the same product.
[04:32] <somerville32> Ok
[04:32] <jamesh> probably would've been better to split it out into a separate bug report
[04:34] <somerville32> Can you remove the xfwm4 task and I'll remove the wishlist item since that task is for the wishlist upstream?
[04:34] <somerville32> Then I'll file the wishlist item as another bug report.
[04:36] <jamesh> I can't remove it, but if you remove the bug watch from the task, you can reject it
[04:36] <jamesh> or you could just leave it as is
[04:37] <somerville32> Do I just change the remote watch to none?
[04:37] <jamesh> yep
[06:11] <Burgundavia> jamesh: are you looking at allowing multiple files to be attached to a bug report in a single click? If so, please look at how gmail does it.
[06:36] <jamesh> Burgundavia: I agree that it's nice.  Not sure exactly how we'd implement it.
[06:37] <Burgundavia> yep, is trick
[06:37] <Burgundavia> tricky, rather
[06:37] <jamesh> mpt: I added SMTP auth properly to my branch of pqm-submit
[06:41] <mpt> jamesh, I saw that, thank you
[07:02] <jamesh> mpt: would you be able to sort out the bug page issue with kiko?
[07:02] <mpt> jamesh, I hope so
[07:03] <mpt> It's not often the problem is too much action, not enough talk, but this might be such an occasion
[08:08] <lifeless> jamesh: is staging ok ?
[08:08] <lifeless> jamesh: do you need me to bounce it ?
[08:12] <jamesh> lifeless: seems to be okay now.  mpool was asking about it earlier
[08:12] <lifeless> mpool: staging looks ok to me
[08:26] <jamesh> lifeless: I've put together a branch to remove the cache code from product-release-finder.  Do you think it's worth waiting til we do another run before looking at merging this?
[08:27] <lifeless> yeah
[08:27] <lifeless> or rather, I dont think its related
[08:27] <lifeless> functional vs quality changes
[08:29] <jamesh> diffstat says 12 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 194 deletions(-)
[08:53] <carlos> morning
[08:54] <mpt> hi carlos
[09:33] <carlos> jamesh: hi, around?
[09:34] <jamesh> carlos: yeah
[09:34] <carlos> jamesh: did you started with my branch review?
[09:34] <jamesh> carlos: nope.  Didn't notice that it was in my queue
[09:35] <jamesh> (looks like it was added about an hour ago)
[09:35] <carlos> ok, perfect, I just added some extra code there and wanted to be sure that you don't miss it
[09:35] <jamesh> I'll wait til the next pending-reviews run completes then
[09:35] <carlos> I'm pushing my changes atm
[09:35] <carlos> ok
[09:35] <carlos> thanks
[09:36] <ddaa> mpool: ping
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58447 in launchpad "There's no field in the bug report page to enter distribution release or arch." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58447
[11:17] <ddaa> bug 58369
[11:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58369 in launchpad "ContextWidget should return the actual context object, not its id." [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58369
[11:27] <sivang> morning
[11:30] <malcc> spiv: Ping
[11:31] <spiv> malcc: pong!
[11:31] <malcc> spiv: Do you remember, way back in the mists of time, offering to discuss Soyuz testing with me?
[11:32] <spiv> Yes :)
[11:33] <malcc> When's good for you?
[11:33] <spiv> Probably about 20-25 minutes time, I have some food about to pop out of the oven.
[11:33] <spiv> How's that suit you?
[11:34] <malcc> That's ideal
[11:34] <spiv> Excellent.
[11:54] <lifeless> mmm, soyuz testing
[12:02] <spiv> malcc: so, I've eaten.
[12:02] <malcc> spiv: Cool. My only VOIP at the mo is skype, where I'm malcolmcleaton
[12:03] <malcc> spiv: Ekiga remains a mystery
[12:03] <spiv> Ok, I'll fire up skype.
[12:04] <lifeless> malcc: I thought you got good ekiga once ?
[12:05] <malcc> lifeless: Yes, from the hotel at the sprint last week
[12:05] <malcc> lifeless: Now it's moved on to a whole different set of errors
[12:05] <spiv> malcc: skype is giving me "Reason unknown"
[12:06] <spiv> Hmm, apparently the problem is on my end.
[12:07] <malcc> Well if it helps, I just tried ekiga again, and today it works
[12:08] <spiv> Heh, ok.
[12:10] <spiv> Ah, killing esd was the trick.
[12:12] <jamesh> USB headsets avoid this problem entirely ...
[12:50] <sladen> Malone doesn't allow a bug to link to two upstream bugs...
[12:51] <jamesh> sure it does.  But you can only have one bug watch associated with a task
[12:51] <jamesh> you can have bug watches not associated with any task too, if you want
[12:51] <sladen> I faked it by setting one to be 'gnomemeeting' and one to 'ekiga'
[12:52] <sladen> otherwise it says "A fix for this bug has already been requested for ekiga"
[01:12] <BjornT> sladen: which bug is this? it sounds like the two upstream bugs should really be duplicates, so it'd be interesting to see what the malone bug looks like.
[01:19] <sladen> BjornT: was bug #21711 but I think I'm inclined to agree now that I think about it
[01:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 21711 in ekiga "[enhancement]  Gnomemeeting Real name should use GECOS data" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/21711
[01:19] <sladen> two similar bugs should be broken out in our report to keep them separate
[01:20] <sladen> what would be really useful is an upstream bug filing wizard
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58462 in malone "Rejecting an upstream task still causes the bug to show when searching with "show only bugs that have to be forwarded upstream"" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58462
[02:30] <spiv> jamesh: btw, I was using a USB headset.
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58466 in rosetta "better listing of Ubuntu on landing page" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58466
[03:05] <kiko> ah, morning
[03:42] <kiko> hey fjlacoste, got a new middle name there?
[03:43] <fjlacoste> kiko: actually, i always had it
[03:43] <kiko> the j is kinda cool
[03:43] <flacoste> i use it as a fallback when flacoste is already registered
[03:43] <flacoste> kiko: it stands for Julien
[03:44] <kiko> flacoste, I gave you some email yesterday
[03:44] <flacoste> kiko: i know :-) i'm about to read them, I'm all excited!
[03:44] <flacoste> kiko: thanks a lot
[03:45] <kiko> sorry for taking so long, I have been amazingly busy context-switching
[03:45] <flacoste> kiko: do you know what revision will be roll out next week?
[03:45] <kiko> jeez, I don't -- I can only imagine something between yesterday and today
[03:45] <flacoste> kiko: that's fine, the timing is kind of fine, all my pending branches landed yesterday
[03:45] <kiko> because.. well, stub's on holiday. I expect some email on monday to sort it out
[03:45] <flacoste> tt-search landed in 4001, i'm not sure I would like seeing that in production next tuesday
[03:46] <flacoste> i might want to test it a little on staging beforehand
[03:46] <kiko> flacoste, yeah. maybe email stub so he knows?
[03:46] <flacoste> actually, i *want* to test it on staging beforehand
[03:46] <flacoste> kiko: will do
[03:46] <kiko> flacoste, you have today and monday though
[03:46] <flacoste> kiko: Monday is Labour day :-)
[03:47] <kiko> oh is it! every day appears to be a labout day for me :-(
[03:47] <kiko> hey carlos
[03:47] <kiko> did you get my comments yesterday? do they make sense?
[03:47] <carlos> kiko: hi
[03:47] <carlos> kiko: yes I got them
[03:47] <flacoste> kiko: actually, the invented labour day in north america as an alternative to the May 1st Workers day which is a holyday mostly everywhere else
[03:47] <kiko> carlos, were they things you agree with or are they way off the bat?
[03:48] <carlos> and I think that they make more or less sense, I need to start with it to be completely sure. What I don't see is why you prefer to not use inheritance...
[03:48] <flacoste> kiko: i also planned to try to contact the people who are support contact on ubuntu to try them to take a look at staging and get some feedback. do you think it's a good idea?
[03:48] <kiko> carlos, well.. inheritance is an option, but it can lead to confusing code if the classes don't match well. maybe they will though.
[03:49] <carlos> kiko: I see
[03:49] <kiko> carlos, there is another option, you know, that I just thought of
[03:49] <kiko> which is to make POMsgSetPageView go away completely
[03:49] <kiko> and instead
[03:50] <kiko> when rendering a POMsgSet page you would use POFileTranslationView with a count of 1.
[03:50] <kiko> naaah
[03:50] <kiko> that would be a hack
[03:50] <kiko> never mind what I just said. :)
[03:50] <carlos> kiko: that sucks ;-)
[03:52] <carlos> kiko: anyway, your suggestion of three classes is also a good solution
[03:52] <kiko> sure
[03:52] <kiko> what it does which is good is separates presentation of the page from presentation of the translation
[03:52] <carlos> yeah
[03:52] <kiko> and then the two pages have a lot of similarities at that point
[03:52] <kiko> so you end up with two page classes and one "slave" view for just the individual translation
[03:53] <kiko> the slave view would have a "zoomed_in" attribute that you'd set in the right situation
[03:53] <kiko> hopefully that will work!
[03:54] <carlos> What I don't know how to do it is to move from  a POST to GET for the alternative language. We use a widget to generate that selector so I'm not sure if is possible to use a custom argument name instead of the long and ugly default one
[03:55] <carlos> I mean, I know how to change the form, but I'm not quite sure how to change that name so we don't use argument names that suck
[03:55] <carlos> but there should be a way to do it
[03:58] <LarstiQ> 15:38:54 < GyrosGeier> "when I need to delete 150153 files, I'm happy that I'm using ext3"
[03:58] <LarstiQ> 15:39:13  * GyrosGeier attempts recreational trolling
[03:58] <LarstiQ> 15:38:54 < GyrosGeier> "when I need to delete 150153 files, I'm happy that I'm using ext3"
[03:59] <LarstiQ> 15:39:13  * GyrosGeier attempts recreational trolling
[03:59] <LarstiQ> aargh
[03:59] <LarstiQ> sorry about that
[04:00] <salgado> is he getting rid of tla/baz?
[04:00] <LarstiQ> salgado: GyrosGeier? No, entries in a spam folder
[04:01] <salgado> it sounded like he was deleting a tla archive or revision libraries
[04:05] <malcc> kiko: Ping
[04:05] <kiko> malcc, pong!
[04:05] <kr> Hi, i have a problem, i don't remember which e-mail address i passed on registration to launchpad. I only know a name. Who can I ask for the e-mail address to this account?
[04:06] <malcc> kiko: Just to let you know, I've run into some problems with the testing on mawson, will be a little longer
[04:06] <kiko> malcc, talk to me. send email to launchpad when this sort of thing happens -- you guys need to use email to status update everybody
[04:06] <malcc> kiko: Just found out my earlier-in-the-week attempts to rsync things from drescher didn't give me a usable set of files, something went wrong with symlink loops
[04:06] <kiko> argh
[04:06] <kiko> malcc, the archive rsync?
[04:07] <malcc> kiko: Yes
[04:07] <kiko> darn
[04:07] <malcc> Exactly.
[04:07] <kiko> can you email so that we can pick it up there?
[04:08] <malcc> Sure
[04:08] <kiko> malcc, thanks. one question
[04:09] <kiko> malcc, should I file a bug to drop running deathrow all the time?
[04:10] <malcc> kiko: Hmm. I just checked and, if I'm not mistaken, the current rocketfuel wouldn't run it at all :)
[04:10] <kiko> heh
[04:10] <kiko> okay, I'll file a bug, Hi-pri?
[04:10] <malcc> kiko: But yes, a bug would be good. Initially we should switch it on for every run, then once we've seen some of the new metrics we can make a decision
[04:10] <malcc> Yes, high will be fine, thanks
[04:10] <kiko> sure.
[04:12] <salgado> kiko, on bug 57507, which approach do you prefer?
[04:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57507 in soyuz "Mirror listings for distro should be a single table having a country column instead of one table per country" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57507
[04:13] <kiko> let's see
[04:16] <kr> Ok, i did it myself, i find e-mail address using search option in merging accounts page. Bye.
[04:19] <flacoste> kiko: i think i like your idea of two steps confirmation
[04:19] <flacoste> kiko: and the guided ticket is implemented and can be tested on staging, you can try out to see how my filtering out of non-keywords work
[04:20] <kiko> flacoste, you are da man
[04:21] <flacoste> kiko: what do you think of contacting the ubuntu support contacts for testing?
[04:21] <kiko> sounds like a good idea
[04:40] <flacoste> kiko: i already found a problem with guided file ticket submission
[04:40] <flacoste> i have no limit on the number of similar tickets i show
[04:41] <flacoste> i should probably limit it somewhat or use batching
[04:43] <kiko> flacoste, limit it to ~ 10?
[04:44] <carlos> doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~carlos/ooo-dapper-2006-08-30.tar.gz
[04:44] <carlos> doko: sorry, I forgot it...
[04:44] <flacoste> kiko: yeah 10-15 is probably a good number
[04:44] <doko> carlos: thanks, will update the package tomorrow
[04:44] <carlos> doko: I did a md5 checksum and it's the same in my laptop and at people.ubuntu.com
[04:45] <flacoste> kiko: another issue, i currently only look for OPEN or ANSWERED similar tickets (I excluded REJECTED ones) what do you think of that?
[04:46] <kiko> flacoste, hmmm. if you order in a reasonable order and limit, I think including REJECTED is okay, but... your call.
[04:46] <salgado> flacoste, it seems like after entering the summary and submitting, the focus on the next page will go to the summary field again, causing the page to scroll to that point when we get a list of possibly similar tickets
[04:47] <flacoste> kiko: i think i excluded REJECTED ones because I thought that this status is for silly support requests (SPAM or shipit question)
[04:47] <salgado> that's not good when we get more than a few similar tickets because then I only see the last ones and I don't see the header, explaining that these are similar tickets
[04:48] <flacoste> salgado: indeed that's a problem, it's caused by the automatic focusing code
[04:49] <flacoste> jamesh: anyway to turn off the automatic JS focusing?
[04:49] <flacoste> jamesh: (in LaunchpadFormView)
[04:49] <jamesh> flacoste: initial_focus_widget = None
[04:49] <flacoste> jamesh: ok, that's with the new code
[04:50] <salgado> hey kiko, did you look at bug 57507?
[04:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57507 in soyuz "Mirror listings for distro should be a single table having a country column instead of one table per country" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57507
[04:50] <jamesh> flacoste: with the old code, it would have been focused_element_id = None
[04:50] <kiko> salgado, getting there.
[04:50] <jamesh> it's basically the same
[04:50] <flacoste> jamesh: wasn't that the default value?
[04:51] <jamesh> flacoste: a special marker object that causes the first widget to get focused.
[04:51] <flacoste> jamesh: ok, that explains it then
[04:52] <flacoste> jamesh: if I set focused_widget_id = None, will the focus still be set in the case the user submit the form and there is a validation error?
[04:53] <jamesh> flacoste: yep
[04:53] <flacoste> jamesh: awesome!
[04:54] <tuplanolla> 1/disconnect
[04:55] <kiko> salgado, will comment.
[05:06] <Kamion> I don't seem to be able to file a bug on the kmformat package in Ubuntu (using https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kmformat/+filebug), even though I know it exists
[05:06] <Kamion> It tells me: "kmformat" does not exist in Ubuntu. Please choose a different package. If you're unsure, please select "I don't know"
[05:06] <Kamion> but it definitely does exist, see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kmformat
[05:07] <salgado> Kamion, there's a bug filed for it, IIRC
[05:08] <salgado> Kamion, bug 58000, maybe?
[05:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58000 in malone "Not possible to file a bug on xmame directly" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58000
[05:09] <Kamion> ok, I only just NEWed kmformat, so that's possible
[05:09] <Kamion> its binaries I mean
[05:10] <Kamion> that workaround works. Thanks!
[05:11] <Kamion> Screwily, I picked the "I don't know" radio button, and it filed it on kmformat anyway. Go figure.
[05:22] <salgado> Kamion, I just noticed that the .manifest file on releases.ubuntu.com now includes the 6.06.1 instead of the 6.06 ones.  are all mirrors supposed to be mirroring the 6.06 or the 6.06.1 ones?
[05:23] <salgado> (or both?)
[05:23] <Kamion> salgado: 6.06.1 only
[05:23] <Kamion> releases.u.c doesn't have space for both
[05:23] <kiko> Kamion, did the filenames change?
[05:24] <Kamion> kiko: yes
[05:24] <kiko> Kamion, hmm. some mirrors are missing the new files then.
[05:24] <kiko> anyway, out for the afternoon
[05:24] <salgado> only one actually
[05:24] <salgado> Znarl, around?
[05:24] <Kamion> sounds possible; if they don't have temporary space for both 6.06 and 6.06.1, and they're using rsync --delete-after, then they might not be able to get 6.06.1
[05:25] <elmo> or possibly they're just not rsyncing anymore
[05:25] <salgado> :q
[05:25] <elmo> we have people who don't cron syncing of releases
[05:29] <Znarl> Hello salgado.
[05:30] <salgado> aparently it's only https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+mirror/edugraf-ubuntu-cds which doesn't have 6.06.1
[05:30] <salgado> Znarl, ^
[05:30] <Znarl> Ah right, that's a supprise.  I'll send an email to the admin.
[05:31] <salgado> I think it should have been marked disabled when that was detected
[05:31] <salgado> Znarl, what do you think?
[05:31] <salgado> (I mean, marked as disable by the prober)
[05:32] <Znarl> salgado : Yes, I agree.  We shouldn't be sending users to it.
[05:32] <salgado> yeah, I think it was supposed to work this way.  just spotted the bug
[05:41] <flacoste> salgado: can you take a look at https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file8EmuIW.html
[05:41] <flacoste> salgado: it's an email I'm about to send to the ubuntu support contacts to request feedback on the new stuff
[05:41] <salgado> ah, cool. :)
[05:41] <flacoste> salgado: let me know what you think of it
[05:44] <salgado> flacoste, it looks great!
[05:44] <salgado> flacoste, just one typo, I think: s/know/known/ on "Here are some know issues..."?
[05:44] <flacoste> salgado: thx! should I send a similar one to launchpad-users?
[05:44] <flacoste> salgado: ok, i'll fix the typo
[05:45] <flacoste> salgado: and should I CC launchpad lists (or somebody else) on that mail?
[05:45] <salgado> flacoste, yes, I think the launchpad list should be CCed
[05:46] <salgado> hmm. one thing I just noticed...
[05:47] <salgado> may be good to state clearly that all data on the staging server is thrown away every day
[05:47] <flacoste> salgado: right!
[05:47] <flacoste> salgado: and that their login will work like on production
[05:47] <salgado> yeah
[05:48] <matsubara> flacoste: the new +tickets listing is very nice! thank you. :)
[05:48] <salgado> in the case of launchpad user, another possibility would be to only mail the list when this is actually deployed and these small issues fixed
[05:49] <salgado> but I'm not sure.  I think it'd be better to check with SteveA
[05:49] <flacoste> salgado: ok, i'll ask SteveA
[05:49] <flacoste> SteveA: ping
[05:50] <SteveA> hi flacoste
[05:51] <flacoste> salgado: I added the following paragraph after the staging URL:
[05:51] <flacoste> This server runs the latest Launchpad code on a copy of our production database. Any data changes you make on that server will be thrown away the next day. Your regular Launchpad account will work like on the production server. Not also that no email notifications are sent from the server. Basically, you can fool around there to your heart's content :-)
[05:51] <salgado> s/Not also/Note also/
[05:51] <flacoste> SteveA: I'm about to send an email to ubuntu support contacts asking for feedback on the new support tracker features
[05:51] <salgado> otherwise, looks good to me.  although I'm not a native english speaker
[05:52] <flacoste> SteveA: I'm wondering if it was pertinent to send a similar email to launchpad-users?
[05:52] <SteveA> 16:51 < flacoste> SteveA: I'm about to send an email to ubuntu support contacts asking for feedback on the new support tracker features
[05:52] <SteveA> oops
[05:52] <SteveA> 16:51 < salgado> otherwise, looks good to me.  although I'm not a native english speaker
[05:52] <SteveA> 16:52 < flacoste> SteveA: I'm wondering if it was pertinent to send a similar email to launchpad-users?
[05:52] <SteveA> that was a trackpad-fart
[05:53] <SteveA> sorry about that
[05:53] <flacoste> SteveA: you might also want to check https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filesPsGY8.html
[05:53] <SteveA> flacoste: I think it will be good to ask for input from launchpad-users
[05:53] <flacoste> SteveA: that's the email to the support contacts
[05:54] <flacoste> SteveA: ok, i will send a similar email (without the explanation about how I got their email addresses)
[05:55] <flacoste> SteveA: I'd CC launchpad list for the first email, what do you think of that?
[05:55] <SteveA> I like the email a lot.  It's very easy to read, and respectful.
[05:56] <SteveA> flacoste: sure
[05:57] <flacoste> SteveA: thanks!
[05:59] <carlos> danilos: around?
[06:03] <jordi> carlos: ready to send email?
[06:03] <jordi> carlos: if so, translators and rosetta-users, or more?
[06:03] <jordi> SteveA: ^
[06:03] <jordi> SteveA: last time it was sent to u-announce, but I guess we can skip that one this time?
[06:07] <carlos> jordi: let me read it again...
[06:08] <SteveA> jordi: did you ask a distro person, like colin, where it should go?
[06:08] <carlos> jordi: export/import native GSI files
[06:08] <jordi> no.
[06:09] <SteveA> I think that would be good, to get an opinion from the distro team
[06:09] <jordi> just asked
[06:09] <SteveA> cool
[06:09] <carlos> jordi: other than that, green light from me
[06:09] <jordi> ok
[06:10] <jordi> 18:10 < Kamion> jordi: if Ubuntu maintainers should know about it too, then ubuntu-devel-announce would be appropriate
[06:10] <jordi> SteveA: ^ I don't think it fits in u-d-a at all right?
[06:11] <carlos> No, I don't think so
[06:16] <WebMaven> SteveA: AYT?
[06:17] <ddaa> SteveA: hey, what are the rollout plans? Is there one planned next week?
[06:18] <SteveA> ddaa: we should have on next week.  we'll talk with stu on monday
[06:19] <ddaa> Okay, will post to the mailing list about rolling out up to 4004 to get the branch ui fixes.
[06:20] <ddaa> Sorry, still have not caught up with the launchpad mailing list...
[06:21] <flacoste> ddaa: we have conflict :-) i just post asking not to roll out 4002
[06:21] <ddaa> gah
[06:22] <flacoste> ddaa: maybe it will be possible to cherrypick your changes
[06:22] <ddaa> Mh, maybe it does not depend on 4003... need to check
[06:22] <LaserJock> any helpful LP admins around that could help me with an LP calendar subscription problem?
[06:24] <flacoste> ddaa: 4003 is about the focused_widget_id change to LaunchpadFormView
[06:25] <ddaa> my patch has a hunk that relates initial widget selection
[06:31] <ddaa> duh, conflict...
[06:32] <ddaa> flacoste: would taking 4004 and reversing 4002 work for you?
[06:33] <flacoste> ddaa: probably
[06:33] <flacoste> ddaa: the only thing is that I want it on staging for testing before it rolls out
[06:33] <flacoste> ddaa: anyway that will work, i'll be fine :-)
[06:34] <ddaa> grah... that conflicts too :(
[06:35] <flacoste> hmm, staging seems out
[06:36] <flacoste> i got a timeout request after making an error and asking for https://staging.launchpad.net/distros/launchpad/+tickets
[06:36] <flacoste> now nothing seems to respond even https://staging.launchpad.net/ does not respond
[06:36] <flacoste> salgado: who should I nag when staging goes out?
[06:38] <salgado> flacoste, the ones who usually check for problems or restart staging are carlos, stub, lifeless or one of the admins, I think
[06:39] <carlos> flacoste:  let me see
[06:40] <carlos> flacoste: it's not your fault... It's "mine"
[06:40] <carlos> flacoste: language packs generation, the load is too high there, but should finish quite soon
[06:40] <flacoste> carlos: actually, i'm kind of disappointed, I would have hoped that my request for feedback would have drawn too many users to staging...
[06:41] <carlos> flacoste: the process is finishing right now
[06:41] <flacoste> carlos: ok, thanks!
[06:41] <carlos> flacoste: Should I disable the export this weekend?
[06:42] <flacoste> carlos: i don't know, do you think it will prevent any use of staging by external users?
[06:42] <LaserJock> is there an LP admin in particular that handles calendar? my calendar seems a bit hosed, I think it might just need some reseting or something.
[06:42] <carlos> well, it depend on the time of the day
[06:42] <carlos> flacoste: atm we are generating a big tarball with translations for Edgy
[06:42] <carlos> and seems like it increases a lot the server load
[06:43] <flacoste> carlos: most of the people i contacted seemed to be on the Europe time zone (except one which is in .ar)
[06:43] <carlos> then I'm going to disable it until Monday
[06:43] <carlos> because it's when the script is really active
[06:43] <flacoste> carlos: maybe nice it?
[06:43] <carlos> flacoste: hmmm, we could try
[06:43] <carlos> but I will not be around this weekend
[06:44] <carlos> so I prefer to try that option on Monday
[06:44] <flacoste> carlos: your call
[06:44] <salgado> LaserJock, what's the exact problem with your calendar?
[06:44] <LaserJock> salgado: I can't get to it
[06:44] <flacoste> flacoste: i wouldn't want to delay edgy translations because some users /might/ come and try the features
[06:45] <flacoste> carlos: ^^^
[06:45] <salgado> LaserJock, what's your launchpad name?
[06:45] <flacoste> carlos: i don't know yet what the response will be
[06:45] <LaserJock> salgado: and when I view other calendars, I get a line of probably close to 1000 listings of "Ubuntu Documentation Project" under subscriptions
[06:45] <LaserJock> salgado: mantha
[06:45] <carlos> flacoste: in fact... I cannot do that, because the load is with the DB server, the process is executed on mawson...
[06:45] <LaserJock> salgado: so now when I try to do pretty much anything with calendar stuff it timesout
[06:46] <carlos> flacoste: you don't delay it
[06:46] <carlos> flacoste: we are doing daily exports
[06:46] <carlos> as a plus
[06:46] <carlos> and In fact, I think we should change it to be every two or three days because the task starts to be quite heavy
[06:47] <salgado> LaserJock, it sounds like a known bug which we didn't get to fix yet. :/
[06:47] <salgado> LaserJock, matsubara is going to find it out for us. :)
[06:47] <LaserJock> salgado: but it doesn't effect all people? I had a couple other people try and it worked fine for them
[06:47] <LaserJock> salgado: thanks, btw
[06:50] <matsubara-lunch> LaserJock: bug 57762
[06:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57762 in launchpad-cal "Repetitive SQL query while generating a calendar." [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57762
[06:52] <LaserJock> matsubara-lunch: interesting, I wonder why some people have problems and others don't, does it only happen when creating a calendar
[06:54] <matsubara-lunch> LaserJock: no, it actually happens after the calendar creation. I just updated the bug summary
[06:55] <LaserJock> matsubara-lunch: ok, well I'll leave you guys alone and wait for a fix :-)
[07:06] <carlos> danilos: ping
[07:10] <LaserJock> hmm, can a person email a LP team?
[07:16] <salgado> LaserJock, only if the team has a contact address set in launchpad
[07:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58491 in launchpad-support-tracker "Allow sorting by source package" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58491
[07:16] <flacoste> salgado: do you have a working pqm-submit for the new bzr
[07:16] <flacoste> i used bzr branch  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jamesh/bzr-pqm/devel
[07:16] <salgado> flacoste, I don't know. didn't try to submit any merge after the update to the new bzr
[07:16] <LaserJock> salgado: thanks
[07:17] <flacoste> salgado: ok
[07:17] <flacoste> i get the following error:
[07:17] <flacoste> devpad.ubuntu.com: forward host lookup failed: Unknown host
[07:17] <flacoste> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[07:17] <flacoste> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Unable to connect to SSH host devpad.ubuntu.com:None:
[07:17] <salgado> flacoste, but matsubara-lunch's been fighting with it today
[07:17] <salgado> maybe he can help
[07:17] <salgado> that's weird
[07:18] <flacoste> i don' t see why it tries devpad.ubuntu.com
[07:20] <salgado> flacoste, I guess you've tried a grep -r on your .bazaar/ directory?
[07:20] <salgado> (for devpad.u.c, that is)
[07:27] <flacoste> salgado: seems like that my locations.conf was full of crap, it worked with the old one but not with the new one, it is fixed now
[07:32] <jordi> carlos: sent
[07:36] <carlos> jordi: cool, thanks
[07:50] <ddaa> flacoste-lunch: please put a brown paper bag on the launchpad list email I just sent :)
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58495 in malone "no way to track dapper-commerical bugs/packages in LP" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58495
[09:33] <Kuhrscher> Hello, the import of katapult's translation to edgy has failed...
[09:34] <Kuhrscher> Is it necessary to post a bug?
[09:40] <Kuhrscher> https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/58504
[09:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58504 in rosetta "Import of katapult's translation to edgy failed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[09:40] <Kuhrscher> jap
[09:41] <Kuhrscher> mine ;-)
[09:48] <matsubara> jordi: could you take a look? ^^
[09:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58504 in rosetta "Import of katapult's translation to edgy failed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58504
[09:51] <lucasvo> ubugtu is kinda slow :)
[09:52] <jordi> let me have a look
[09:54] <salgado> lucasvo, I think it's because the email notifications are not sent at the same time the bug is filed
[09:55] <mdke> yep, there is like a 5 minute delay from the launchpad side
[09:56] <salgado> but it may be that it takes longer to reach ubugtu than it takes to reach normal users.  can't tell for sure
[09:57] <salgado> I mean, ubugtu could process them every five minutes or so
[10:42] <nixternal> i tell ya, irc rocks ;)
[10:43] <nixternal> flacoste: so i take it "staging" is just that...the testing site right now...this will get moved over soon?
[10:44] <flacoste> nixternal: yes it is a testing site
[10:44] <flacoste> nixternal: it is not determined yet what revision will be rolled out next week
[10:44] <nixternal> man that is awesome...i just got so used to the old setup, that i never thought about modeling it after malone
[10:44] <nixternal> awesome job
[10:44] <flacoste> nixternal: but if it is not next week, it will be in two probably
[10:44] <flacoste> nixternal: there was actually a bug opened with that suggestion
[10:45] <nixternal> heh, and obviously my small and unimaginative mind didn't pick it up ;)
[10:46] <nixternal> so, if i want to provide support, i can use the staging right now, and it will work?  to help out with testing and what not?
[10:46] <flacoste> nixternal: do you usually use the email interface or the web interface for the support tracker?
[10:51] <bradb> I suggested renaming staging to try.launchpad.net, which might make things clearer.
[10:51] <flacoste> bradb: yeah, cool name
[10:52] <flacoste> nixternal: no, the support you do there will be thrown away the next day
[10:52] <flacoste> nixternal: it works on a copy of the database and it doesn't send out any email
[10:52] <flacoste> nixternal: it's really for testing purpose not production use :-)
[10:57] <nixternal> ahhh...ok..got it
[10:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58514 in launchpad "staging.launchpad.net should be renamed to try.launchpad.net" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58514
[11:00] <nixternal> heh
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58514 in launchpad "staging.launchpad.net should be renamed to try.launchpad.net" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58514


[16:54] <sergio-br2> hey hello
[16:54] <sergio-br2> i create a ppa, and use a recipe like this: # bzr-builder format 0.3 deb-version <IP_ADDRESS>1-0ubuntu3
[16:55] <sergio-br2> but my packages are becoming vbam - <IP_ADDRESS>1-0ubuntu3~ubuntu12.04.1
[16:55] <sergio-br2> how can i delete this ubuntu12.04.1 entry?
[17:05] <sergio-br2> i searched web, and there is no info about this
[17:05] <sergio-br2> seeing 2 times ubuntu in the name of package is annoying me
[17:23] <sergio-br2> if someones knows why names in package changed from "trusty" to ubuntu14.04.1...
[17:59] <pmatulis_> if one has an apport report transferred to a non-Ubuntu system is there any way to use it to open a bug with it or does one manually open the bug and include it as attachment?
[21:55] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: We changed that because it's important that versions be monotonically increasing, and we're getting near the end of the alphabet; the codename of Ubuntu 17.10 will sort earlier than that of Ubuntu 17.04.
[21:55] <cjwatson> So we needed to fix this far enough in advance that it won't be a problem for future backports.
[21:58] <sergio-br2> cjwatson, thanks. But for example, i had a problem to update my package, i thougt it will automatically upgrade from [...]~ubuntu14.04.1 to [...]~ubuntu14.04.1
[21:58] <sergio-br2> *[...]~ubuntu14.04.1 to [...]~ubuntu14.04.2 , sorry
[22:00] <sergio-br2> before, recipe was # bzr-builder format 0.3 deb-version {debupstream}
[22:03] <cjwatson> I'm pretty rusty on the details of recipes I'm afraid.  I don't use them much.
[22:05] <cjwatson> I guess this is https://code.launchpad.net/~sergio-br2/+recipe/vbam-fixes ?
[22:05] <sergio-br2> maybe, there is no option in recipe yet?
[22:05] <sergio-br2> yeah
[22:06] <cjwatson> There are a number of variables you can use there; https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes has a list.
[22:07] <cjwatson> I suspect that simply specifying a static version number, as you're doing, won't work very well, but there are some other options.
[22:07] <cjwatson> Not actually sure why we bother appending the .1 after the release given that that's just static.
[22:08] <cjwatson> It was "~trusty1" or similar before.
[22:08] <cjwatson> (And the "1" there seems similarly pointless.)
[22:09] <cjwatson> Possibly hard to change now though.
[22:09] <cjwatson> So I'd suggest you use one of the revno family of substitution variables to make the version fully unique.
[22:09] <sergio-br2> so, if i use recipe like this: # bzr-builder format 0.3 deb-version {debupstream}~0
[22:10] <sergio-br2> it's hard to get 14.04.1 --> 14.04.2
[22:10] <cjwatson> You won't be able to get 14.04.2, but you can put something else in your version that makes it distinct.
[22:10] <sergio-br2> or i need to change upstream number, or i put 0ubuntuXY
[22:10] <cjwatson> Like {revno} or {revno:somebranch}.
[22:10] <cjwatson> As I say, see the page I linked to above for details.
[22:10] <sergio-br2> hum, like my branch in baazar
[22:11] <cjwatson> {debupstream}~0 is rather unlikely to be anything like unique enough.
[22:11] <sergio-br2> ok
[22:11] <cjwatson> Right, you might typically use the revno of the packaging branch or something like that.
[22:11] <cjwatson> Or you just have one branch so you could just use {revno}.
[22:13] <cjwatson> It generally doesn't make sense to build the recipe again without one of the branches involved changing.


[13:21] <daker> woo https://github.com/liftoff/GateOne/tree/master/gateone
[13:28] <YoBoY> ssh client working on a web browser in python ? cool :)
[13:31] <daker> yep
[13:31] <daker> HTML5 ツ
[13:32] <cjohnston> trying to get the new release with the name change tested and pushed out today.. anyone able to help with testing?
[13:32] <cjohnston> LTP
[13:35] <nigelb> mhall119: Is there a better way to retheme admin than use monkeypatching?
[13:37] <mhall119> nigelb: I don't know, I've never tried
[13:37] <mhall119> I was making a general statement about monkeypatching
[13:38] <nigelb> mhall119: ah, true.
[13:38] <nigelb> I spent 3 hours mucking up
[13:38] <nigelb> so, that should be a statement about monkeypatching ;)
[13:38] <daker> nigelb, override the admin templates
[13:38] <nigelb> daker: yeah, but the overriding bit needs some monkey patching somewhere
[13:39] <daker> copy the admin templates to your_project/templates/admin/
[13:39] <nigelb> daker: oh wait
[13:39] <nigelb> I'm not changing the entire template
[13:39] <nigelb> I'm only changing the base template
[13:39] <daker> yep you can do it
[13:39] <nigelb> well, I did it :)


[08:07] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[16:33] <Langjan> Hello all
[16:33] <Langjan> Hi bushtech_ and paddatrapper
[16:34] <Langjan> I installed Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 in my laptop, all the connections worked within a few seconds. So Lubuntu was messing me around.
[16:35] <Langjan> and inetpro
[16:35] <Langjan> thanks all for the help yesterday
[16:36] <Langjan> Now it's just the Proteas who have problems...
[16:51] <bushtech_> Great news Langjan, glad you sorted
[16:53] <Langjan> Thanks bushtech_
[17:46] <smile> hi :)
[17:46] <smile> I'm running KDE, never imagined I would o.O
[18:07] <Langjan> Hello smile
[18:08] <Langjan> Kilos will be thrilled to bits
[18:14] <Langjan> I'm running Gnome again, but only on my laptop and only because the Unity desktop is a bit resource-hungry for my old 2 GB RAM HP530.
[18:28] <pavlushka> Langjan: so how is gnome?
[18:43] <Langjan> Hi pavlushka so far so good, but a bit soon to tell, its still loading updates.
[18:43] <pavlushka> Langjan: k
[18:44] <smile> I'm back to MATE again
[18:45] <Langjan> pavlushka, "k"?
[18:45] <inetpro> Langjan: the pleasure is all mine, good to hear that you're up and happy again
[18:45] <paddatrapper> hi Langjan
[18:45] <Langjan> Thks inetpro
[18:45] <pavlushka> Langjan: okay :)
[18:45] <Langjan> hi paddatrapper
[18:45] <paddatrapper> great to hear it's sorted :)
[18:46] <Langjan> Thanks, and I'm relieved
[18:46]  * inetpro didn't even do anything to help
[18:47] <Langjan> Well you put me on track by confirming my suspicion that its an OS problem
[18:47] <inetpro> well I bet if you put a fresh Lubuntu it will work as well, but nothing wrong with trying something else
[18:48]  * pavlushka waves a sleepy hi to all
[18:48] <Langjan> Probably, but I must say thhe Gnome desktop seems to be running much better than Unity on that machine
[18:48] <inetpro> in other words, I would not blame the OS
[18:48] <Langjan> Lubuntu was a bit temperemental
[18:49] <pavlushka> I mean pa and I and s
[18:49] <inetpro> pavlushka: eh
[18:49] <Langjan> pavlushka,  you've lost me here
[18:50] <Langjan> you said k
[18:50] <pavlushka> :)
[18:51] <Langjan> Sorry I don't know those symbols
[18:51] <smile> I don't like my Manjaro installation anymore, it's not working the way I want it to, I'm going to reinstall soon :)
[18:51] <Langjan> Does k = :) ?
[18:51] <smile> Maybe set up a dualboot with Ubuntu
[18:51] <smile> :)
[19:08] <inetpro> waar's oom Kilos?
[19:08] <inetpro> Maaz: seen Kilos
[19:08] <Maaz> inetpro: Kilos was last seen 2 days, 32 minutes and 37 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2017-06-09 20:35:58 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2017-06-09 20:36:07 SAST
[19:08] <inetpro> ai!
[19:23] <Langjan> I e-mailed him today, no reply...
[19:23] <Langjan> hopefully connection probs
[19:34] <Langjan> Good night all


 Thanks for a great week everyone! :D
[15:30] <dholbach> all right... I call it a day too - have a great weekend!
[15:30] <dholbach> popey++
[15:30] <silverlion> thankx 2 the two of you
[16:13] <cprofitt> hello all


[06:54] <jbicha> anybody here good with quilt?
[12:11] <Manibuntu1> hello
[13:04] <desrt> anyone in budapest yet?
[14:04] <bullethead> hello, installed the gnome3 ppa what's the global package name to install (if this is the wrong place I apologize), something like apt-get install gnome3?
[14:06] <bullethead> meh this was easier with slackware 3.0 using floppy disks I'll try #ubuntu
[19:52] <bluethundr_> hello #ubuntu desktop.. I notice that every time I reboot my "jaunty" laptop, it loses it's resolv.conf settings. how can i get this setting to persist through reboots?
[19:52] <micahg> !support | bluethundr_
[19:52] <ubot2> bluethundr_: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com
[19:53] <bluethundr_> ok guys thank you
[19:55] <Ampelbein> bluethundr_: fwiw, bug 435874 asks for more info about the same issue, you might add your information there.
[19:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 435874 in network-manager "keeps rewriting /etc/resolv.conf" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435874
[19:56] <bluethundr_> Ampelbein: ok that's good info ty


[00:10] <greg-g> man, so much discussion I missed today during work :)
[00:37] <brousch_> stop working so hard
[00:45] <greg-g> brousch_: sorry, I'll work harder on... dangit!
[00:45] <rick_h_> doh
[00:45] <rick_h_> poor greg-g can't win
[01:16] <snap-l> heh
[02:12] <brousch_> anyone want an irccloud invite?
[02:12] <snap-l> I'm good, thanks.
[02:13] <brousch_> d00d. it's irc
[02:13] <brousch_> in
[02:13] <brousch_> the
[02:13] <brousch_> cloud
[02:13] <snap-l> still good. ;)
[02:15] <greg-g> I've got irc in my personal cloud
[02:16] <brousch_> wrong. it's not the cloud unless it's html5
[02:18] <rick_h_> irc + html == fail
[02:18] <brousch_> it's really pretty good
[02:19] <brousch_> what did you use for irc on the cr-48?
[02:22] <brousch_> oh, apparently catherine devlin was lurking on the grpug email list. she saw me mention a presentation and now i'm really on the hook
[02:22] <jjesse_> whose catherine devlin?
[02:22]  * jjesse_ is stupid
[02:23] <brousch_> jjesse: organizer of pyohio
[02:24] <rick_h_> She's come out and given some talks in A2 and such as well
[02:24] <rick_h_> OLF fan
[02:24] <greg-g> yeah, good gal
[02:29] <brousch_> ok, my goal is a blog post and pyohio proposal tonight
[02:29] <brousch_> quit distracting me
[02:29] <rick_h_> widox: http://uploads.mitechie.com/index.html
[02:31] <rick_h_> http://unserializableone.blogspot.com/2007/09/simple-directory-browser-for-amazon-s3.html
[02:34] <rick_h_> https://gist.github.com/1003755
[03:20] <jrwren> snap-l: there is linux sunray server stuff.  you get it rollin yet?
[03:20] <brousch_> hm, hit my first snag with chromeos. how to edit a rst file?
[03:21] <jrwren> vim?
[03:21] <jrwren> nano?
[03:21] <jrwren> joe?
[03:23] <brousch_> it's a web browser
[03:23] <brousch_> no java
[03:23] <brousch_> no shell
[03:26] <brousch_> ah, sent it to dropbox and then i can edit it in sourcekit
[03:26] <jrwren> surely you can get a shell?
[03:29] <brousch_> i don't think so
[03:30] <brousch_> ok, found a shell
[03:31] <brousch_> no nano or vi though
[03:32] <_stink_> sed?
[03:32] <brousch_> it has ssh, so you can edit stuff on remote servers
[03:33] <brousch_> which is consistent with the chromeos philosophy
[03:34] <brousch_> i'll have to make a little file dump on dreamhost where i can plop things and then ssh to edit them with vim
[03:39] <brousch_> oh, nice. i can make windows and switch between them using alt+1 - alt+0. this means i can organize pretty much how i do in osx and linux
[03:40] <brousch_> ctrl+1 - ctrl+0 switches between tabs in the current window
[03:51] <snap-l> jrwren: Not yet.
[03:52] <snap-l> I gave it about 15 minutes of fiddling
[03:52] <snap-l> But yeah, I think I'll set up pa VM and get the oracle server running
[03:59] <rick_h_> brousch_: src:kit app is great
[04:00] <rick_h_> ah, nvm you found it as a catch up
[04:00] <brousch_> quite nice
[04:00] <snap-l> brousch_: The shell / terminal that ships wth ChromeOS is pretty rough
[04:00] <brousch_> and uses dropbox, so all the docs are synced to my desktop/laptop
[04:00] <rick_h_> you can unlock it and get access to a better terminal and even some better ssh
[04:01] <snap-l> Part of the reason I couldn't deal with it.
[04:01] <rick_h_> brousch_: yea, I used src:kit for doing notes at pycon
[04:01] <rick_h_> create rst files, and then when I went to do my podcast, they were on my main laptop
[04:01] <rick_h_> supposedly it's gotten better, I saw a commit that it supports ssh keys now
[04:01] <brousch_> ok, well i got the blog post out and half of the pyohio proposal typed up. i'm calling it a night
[04:01] <rick_h_> awesome
[04:01] <rick_h_> let me know if you need a hand with the pyohio stuff at all
[04:02] <brousch_> it seems pretty easy
[04:02] <rick_h_> I'm out myself, night
[04:02] <brousch_> nedd to sleep on the extended description and outline
[04:02] <snap-l> rick_h_: orly?
[04:02] <snap-l> That was a big bugaboo for me
[04:03] <snap-l> OK, off to do some dishes. Laterness, everyone!
[12:27] <rick_h_> I'm going to citizen's arrest you all for sharing pandora account passwords: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/06/02/0342220/Tennessee-Makes-it-Illegal-To-Share-Your-Netflix-Password
[12:32] <rick_h_> snap-l: watched the win8 video...it has tiling! lol
[12:38] <greg-g> :P
[12:40] <brousch> finally, a mainstream window manager for rick_h_!
[12:41] <brousch> meating, bbl
[13:14] <greg-g> I find it interesting how my right click menu in gnome-terminal is unavailable when firefox locks up
[13:45] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, heard that password sharing thing on NPR last night. That's just dumb.
[13:45] <greg-g> jcastro: way to speak the truth in that newsletter blogpost
[13:45] <snap-l> rick_h_: That Windows 8 video goes against everything I've ever loved about the desktop interface
[13:46] <snap-l> I think the best metaphor is the cluttered board behind the screen.
[13:47] <snap-l> It's too cluttered.
[13:47] <rick_h_> come on, we all knew the start menu would need a breakout box at some point
[13:47] <rick_h_> not like windows is going to launcher style
[13:47] <snap-l> The computer now looks like the fucking weather channel
[13:49] <snap-l> It also looks grafted
[14:04] <ColonelPanic001> it amuses me that I frequently, daily, hear a word processor in this office
[14:04] <greg-g> what is it saying?
[14:05] <ColonelPanic001> beep beep beep beep
[14:08] <_stink_> yeah, we should publicly shame whoever uses it
[14:20] <ColonelPanic001> or should
[14:22] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2011/06/01/open-metalcast-special-announcement/
[14:36] <snap-l> Yay, getting Internet Explorer 8 on my machine
[14:36] <snap-l> along with a warning that not all company applications are compatible with INternet Explorer 8
[14:36] <snap-l> At least someone is trying to rip the band-aid off.
[14:37] <rick_h_> IE8? Haven't you heard...that's old
[14:38] <rick_h_> <3'd that Google is deprecating IE7 on google apps
[14:43] <snap-l> Hey, at least someone is trying to get us out of this mess.
[15:12] <brousch> i had no idea there was a weekly ubuntu newsletter
[15:42] <krondor> firesheep for android http://faceniff.ponury.net/
[16:28] <snap-l> brousch_: Yeah, it's been kicking for a while now
[17:52] <PainBank> anyone try out the Meego distro?
[17:54] <Blazeix> I tried it out a few months ago. it's pretty slick
[17:55] <PainBank> what hardware?
[17:55] <Blazeix> eee pc s101
[17:56] <Blazeix> atom cpu
[17:56] <PainBank> cool, thanks.  easy to install?
[17:57] <Blazeix> yeah, very easy. they provide a usb stick image.
[18:17] <PainBank> i'm at IESF - a 1 day conf hosted by Mentor Graphics and there is a bit of talk about Linux in the future in vehicles.
[18:17] <PainBank> GENIVI.org seems to be a user group focused on this.
[18:22] <snap-l> Apparently Borders is moving all of their eBooks over to Kobo
[18:22] <snap-l> The confusion between the two must've been way too much
[18:24] <rick_h_> from what?
[18:24] <rick_h_> what was the other reader? sony?
[18:24] <snap-l> Borders had their own storefront
[18:25] <rick_h_> oic
[18:25] <snap-l> and the readers sold by Borders went to that storefront
[18:25] <rick_h_> that's a good thing for kobo
[18:25] <snap-l> they're sending an update which will likely send that over to Kobo now
[18:25] <rick_h_> their new reader is getting rave reviews, but the store side is still something that holds me back from one of them
[18:25] <snap-l> Well, it's pretty stupid to have two separate apps
[18:25] <snap-l> Esp if you use the iPhone app
[18:26] <snap-l> We'll see how this works
[18:26] <snap-l> They already had me merge my library
[18:26] <rick_h_> cool
[18:26] <snap-l> which means I have access to the one book that I bought from Kobo as an experiment with the Sony
[18:27] <snap-l> I'm one of their best eBook customers, though, even though I bought only two eBooks from the Borders store. ;)
[18:27] <rick_h_> lol
[18:27] <snap-l> One stross book (just to see how it worked) and JoDee bought a Dr. Who book.
[18:27] <snap-l> Sorry, Doctor Who. ;)
[18:28] <snap-l> Apparently there's several updates since I last turned on the wireless. :)
[18:29] <rick_h_> http://www.i-programmer.info/news/87-web-development/2517-google-webrtc-browser-based-communications.html
[18:29] <snap-l> Interesting, but not too hopeful
[18:30] <snap-l> http://www.kobobooks.com/touch_readinglife
[18:30] <snap-l> Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
[18:31] <greg-g> hey man, badges are the new thing. everyone likes them, even rick_h_ !
[18:31] <rick_h_> hah! gamification time
[18:31] <rick_h_> yea, I missed the boy scout phase to get badges then
[18:34] <snap-l> Third update.
[18:35] <rick_h_> heh, see how much better your device could have been?
[18:35] <rick_h_> gotta do the updates :P
[18:35] <snap-l> Apparently.
[18:35] <snap-l> Fourth update.
[18:35] <snap-l> Wonder if I'm in an update loop
[18:37] <greg-g> what are you updating?
[18:38] <greg-g> ah e-reader
[19:10] <snap-l> I've lost count on the upgrades
[19:10] <snap-l> I think it's up to 8 or so
[19:11] <snap-l> They rolled out 1.9, and I was on something like 1.7
[19:11] <snap-l> with a bunch of minor upgrades along the way.
[19:17] <snap-l> Yeah, this thing is just caught in a loop
[19:17] <snap-l> it's not updating shit
[19:21] <rick_h_> uh oh
[19:42] <snap-l> Yeah, did a reset on it to see if that takes care of it
[19:42] <snap-l> of course that means I have to type in all of my passwords again
[19:42] <snap-l> yippee
[19:43] <snap-l> probably ran out of room.  :)
[19:43]  * snap-l runs a tight ship on his ereader.
[19:44] <rick_h_> you have password(s) on your ereader?
[19:44] <snap-l> Well, this inspector has about 15 minutes to get here
[19:44] <snap-l> yeah, for the store and wifi
[19:44] <rick_h_> inspector?
[19:45] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha
[20:42] <brousch> rick_h_ snap-l would you mind taking a peek at my proposal to make sure i'm not being stupid? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/cfp_template_2011.rst
[20:42] <brousch> this is my first conference talk
[20:46] <rick_h_> looks good,
[20:47] <snap-l> Great, now I'm able to kill my kobo with the Learning Python epub book
[20:47] <brousch> python won't run on kobo
[20:47] <rick_h_> well I think it is the largest python book known
[20:48] <snap-l> THing is it was able to run just fine beforehand
[20:49] <snap-l> fucking piece of shit
[20:49] <rick_h_> should send them an email :)
[20:49] <snap-l> Yeah, that'll be productive
[20:49] <rick_h_> maybe they can get you one of the newer models
[20:49] <rick_h_> for a small $ee
[20:49] <brousch> they'll send you a $10 gift card for borders
[20:49] <brousch> ok, sending in the proposal
[20:50] <rick_h_> "not valid with any other offer, or on days that end in 'Y'"
[20:50] <rick_h_> brousch: awesome!
[20:50] <rick_h_> I'll try to help support you when the flames come in :)
[20:50] <brousch> haha, thanks
[20:50] <rick_h_> with gondor.io, heroku, etc the concept of the "server > cloud" is going to raise some fur
[20:51] <brousch> i saw a note last night that they've only gotten 6 proposals so far
[20:51] <rick_h_> yea, was just checking in there
[20:51] <rick_h_> he said they had 12 at this point last time
[20:51] <brousch> well i'm not saying don't use the cloud, just use a regular old server until you need the cloud
[20:51] <rick_h_> kind of crazy, they grew nearly 2x each year...wonder what's up this year
[20:52] <brousch> a good question
[20:55] <brousch> crap, i forgot to request that i not be put up against rick_h_. i really need the sqlalchemy tutorial
[20:58] <brousch> now i need to dive into more Flask so i'm better prepared
[22:52] <TeamXlink> Today at school the pc repair teacher was giving out parts, and one of the things I got was a Compaq DeskPro EN (Small Form Factor Version), As of now, it has a 133mhz Pentium III And  384mb RAM, I want to use it to host a game server, most likely a Warsow, or Quake III Arena server. Which Distro should I use, its going to be a dedicated server, a gui is not needed (Not wanted either).
[23:07] <snap-l> You could probably put something like Ubuntu Server on that
[23:07] <snap-l> though I'm not sure how much memory that would need.
[23:13] <TeamXlink> Alright, sweet, thanks.
[23:17] <_stink_> last i tried a stock ubuntu server install, it ran fine with 256 MB RAM
[23:18] <TeamXlink> Should I use the latest version?
[23:27] <snap-l> I'd stick with something like 10.04
[23:38] <TeamXlink> Alright, sweet thanks.