[12:15] <lotusleaf> allee: <lifeless> its appropriate to have both, so that we can report on things like 'a new upstream release has happened but is not in the distro'
 not at all. How can we make it more clear that we want this ?
 and to answer the question, yes, each package should be listed twice - once in the distro, and once in products
[12:16] <allee> uhm, feel free to fill the product gap ;)
[12:16] <lotusleaf> heh ;)
[12:17] <allee> lotusleaf: did you ping motus to trigger a rebuild?
[12:17] <lotusleaf> allee: eh?
[12:17] <lotusleaf> allee: ah! thx for confirming it, too! :) :)
[12:19] <allee> lotusleaf: it's a clear and simple bug.  /join #ubuntu-motu
[12:19] <lotusleaf> allee: thx ok
[12:19] <allee> oh that should have been two line ;)
[12:19] <lotusleaf> allee: heh, I mentioned it in there a few days ago, no response
[12:20] <lotusleaf> allee: same with #kubuntu, I tried in #kubuntu every 30 minutes for a few hours
[12:20] <allee> lotusleaf: I've added kubuntu-team to kdar bug subsciptor.  So hopefully such bug don't slip through unnoticed in the future
[12:21] <lotusleaf> allee: awesome, thanks! :)
[12:52] <Tonio__> hey
[12:55] <DaSkreech> hi
[01:18] <allee> hi Tonio_
[01:18] <allee> Tonio_: are you the kdar expert? ;)
[01:23] <Tonio_> allee: don't think so :)
[01:24] <allee> Tonio_: k
[01:25] <Tonio_> allee: and unfortunatelly I'm not available today and tomorrow (gf gave me stuff to do to help in her job :'()
[01:25] <Tonio_> one more day and I'm done.......
[01:25] <allee> Tonio_: gf have always lot of work for bf :)
[01:26] <Tonio_> allee: sadly yes....
[01:26] <DaSkreech> does it work the other way?
[01:27] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: sometimes yes........
[01:32] <DaSkreech> :-)
[01:32] <DaSkreech> That's ok then
[01:46] <allee> nite
[01:55] <Hobbsee|Remote> lotusleaf: dar is just a mess.  i'll have to look at it again
[01:56] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee|Remote: hi, okay, thank you very much for the notice, I appreciate it. =)
[01:56] <lotusleaf> allee: and thank you very much for your attention to this =)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: however, i will look again.  i believe the later versions of dar didnt actually build at all.
[01:56] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee|Remote
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[01:57] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee thanks =)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ^
[01:57] <ryanakca> hmmm?
[01:57] <ryanakca> ah
[01:58] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: @ the kdar stuff
[01:58] <ryanakca> yeah
[01:58] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i thought someone fixed it.  it got marked as released
[01:59] <ryanakca> kk
[02:00] <ryanakca> pedantic?
[02:00] <ryanakca> english please?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> um...as in, it'll whinge about every single syntax error you put on
[02:01] <Hobbsee> *in
[02:01] <Hawkwind> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B2GGGL_en___US177&q=define%3Apedantic
[02:01] <ryanakca> ah
[02:02] <ryanakca> thanks
[02:02] <imbrandon> Tonio_: !!
[02:02] <imbrandon> heya all
[02:02] <Hawkwind> google.com and typing  define:your-word is an amazing thing :)
[02:02] <Tonio_> hey imbrandon :)
[02:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: not available today still.... neither tomorrow, too much external stuff
[02:03] <imbrandon> man i was sooo lagging on irc from work today
[02:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_: thats ok, me either
[02:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: but we have to make a point on the todo on thursday probably
[02:03] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon
[02:03] <Tonio_> I have plenty of things pending.......
[02:03] <imbrandon> i'll be busy pretty much all this week
[02:03] <Tonio_> hi ajmitch
[02:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_: great thursday will be fine
[02:03] <ajmitch> hi Tonio_
[02:03] <ajmitch> & Hobbsee
[02:03] <imbrandon> heay ajmitch
[02:03] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[02:03] <ajmitch> & all others :)
[02:04] <Tonio_> yo Hobbsee
[02:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: there is a bunch of issues with python/debhelper
[02:04] <imbrandon> man i figured out ssh into my home computers suck, i dont see how you all ( Hobbsee and others used/use it )
[02:04] <imbrandon> Tonio_: i noticed
[02:04] <Tonio_> most pykde apps fail to build because of pycheck
[02:04] <ajmitch> imbrandon: works ok for me :)
[02:05] <Tonio_> that's the reason I didn't upload guidance at the moment.... I have to investigate further but no time for this now.... would be cool if we can fix that before Riddell comes back
[02:05] <imbrandon> ajmitch: well it normaly does for me too , but today i was lagging sooo bad, like 1 to 2 seconds between letter typing and showing up
[02:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's gotten worse recently.  worse lag
[02:05] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I didn't notice any issues with ssh on client or server side
[02:05] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that does get painful
[02:05] <imbrandon> ahhhhh GAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes please, i keep forgetting my power isnt turned on :P
[02:05] <ajmitch> gah to you too
[02:05] <imbrandon> someone has bittorrent seeds running on the network
[02:06] <ajmitch> hah
[02:06] <ajmitch> yeah, I usually find that if something is lagging
[02:06] <ajmitch> that's when I pull out iptables & limit them to dialup speed or worse
[02:06] <imbrandon> zomg , it was my MOM !!
[02:07] <ajmitch> the limit module for iptables is great
[02:07] <imbrandon> dude that soo sucked today at work, i wish i would have known then, i would have disconnected it from the network
[02:07] <Tonio_> ajmitch: yep works nice, but is quite limited since it only plays with protocols + port
[02:08] <imbrandon> i'm glad for the saturday session i'll be home and thus no lagg, maybe i can sounds more coherant
[02:08] <imbrandon> there was soo many typo's i dident catch untill after i had sent the message because of the lag, normaly i dont care, but for something like that i try to check
[02:08] <Tonio_> would be nice to be able to do stuff like a packetshipper can do with iptable ;)
[02:09] <imbrandon> ajmitch: btw thanks for the kind words today :)
[02:10] <Tonio_> s/packetshipper/packetshaper
[02:10] <Tonio_> of course....
[02:10] <imbrandon> dude my new job soo rocks anyhow, all i do it watch mrtg graphs of rack temps, make a round throughout the DC once every 3 hours and thenanswer 4 or 5 emails a day
[02:10] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ^
[02:11] <imbrandon> its like the lazy techs dream hehe
[02:11] <imbrandon> i mean i'm sure it /can/ be hetic if something goes wrong, but on avg , it looks pretty sweet
[02:13] <freeflying> morning all
[02:13] <imbrandon> moins freeflying
[02:14] <Tonio_> imbrandon: got a new job finally ?
[02:14] <robotgeek> imbrandon: i could not catch your entire presentation, i was a work :)
[02:14] <imbrandon> robotgeek: amazingly i was too LOL
[02:14] <imbrandon> robotgeek: i will have another ( better ) one saturday
[02:15] <imbrandon> *hopes*
[02:15] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: ah yes, that's right.  it's because kdar doesnt actually build anymore, due to a libdar library error.  on 2.0.6 anyway, there's a 2.0.7
[02:15] <robotgeek> imbrandon: cool. will catch that one, hopefully
[02:18] <Hobbsee> allee: kdar 2.0.6 doesnt build in edgy, fyi
[02:19] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee ah so will this mean a bump to 2.0.7 for the edgy version? :-)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: depends if *that* builds.
[02:19] <Hobbsee> i dont really want to, but i may well have to
[02:19] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee :)
[02:20] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee feel free to @lart me at your leisure when this is over with ;)
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:20] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: nah, i had forgotten about it, it's oaky
[02:20] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee :) I appreciate all parties involved taking a gander at it
[02:23] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: 2.0.7 doesnt fix it either.
[02:24] <lotusleaf> !
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hopefully it will be fixed when dar releases 2.4.0
[02:25] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: slight problem that kdar doesnt actually build with any later versions of dar :P
[02:25] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee :) should someone contact the developers of *dar ?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> not sure
[02:27] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee k, again, thanks for checking all this out =)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: doesnt even build with the latest kdar.
[02:45] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee how very bizzare!
[02:45] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: yeah...
[02:45] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: and i dont want to even think about putting the development version of dar in.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> so i think it'll just have to wait
[02:46] <lotusleaf> ;_;
[02:46] <lotusleaf> baby jesus cry!
[02:46] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee didn't allee say it was fscked in fawn too, or therebouts?
[02:47] <ryanakca> hmm... since nobody seems to know in #kubuntu... Why did the keyboard layouts in System Settings disappear / cease to exist?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: that's where i tested it
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: it's there.  somewhere...iirc
[02:49] <lotusleaf> hmm
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: it's under regional and language
[02:49] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: SysSet, Regional & Language, Keyboard Layout... the tab to access it is still there, except that when you get to it, the layouts aren't there
[02:50] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee it's in universe, right, do some universe packages get cvs builds?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ahhhh
[02:50] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: sometimes
[02:50] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: want a screenshot?
[02:50] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee worth considering?
[02:50] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee just to have it working at all?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: i checked the snapshot.   that doesnt work
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yes please
[02:50] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee wow, I'm scrounging around on the sf talk about it
[02:51] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: ie, it doesnt seem to build with the versoin of dar
[02:51] <lotusleaf> ya
[02:51] <lotusleaf> one post "Yes, kdar-2.0.7 does not compile with dar-3 and it never will. Use dar-2.x or wait for kdar-3.x, which should be at least several months away."
[02:51] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/nomorelayouts.png
[02:51] <lotusleaf> 2006-04-03
[02:53] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: ahhh.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ show dar | grep Version
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Version: 2.3.2-1
[02:54] <lotusleaf> dar devel is  2.4.0
[02:56] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I remember seeing someone else with that problem in #kubuntu a couple of days ago as well
[02:57] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i'm not surprised
[02:57] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: 403'd
[02:57] <Hobbsee> jdong: why not?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> oh wait, it's in main
[02:58] <jdong>  Hobbsee: upstream is on a pretty unpredictable release cycle that mixes serious bugfixes with crackpot new features, etc etc etc :)
[02:58] <Hobbsee> jdong: heh.   true that
[02:58] <jdong> Hobbsee: to be perfectly honest I don't know if they'll release a stable 2.1+ series before feisty comes out
[02:58] <jdong> but at the same time, 2.0.3 has some nagging bugs that upstream will no longer fix
[02:58] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: oh, lol, just a sec
[02:59] <jdong> maybe later when a more stable beta is released
[02:59] <jdong> from ktorrent's forums, 2.1 beta is still not as stable as 2.0.3
[02:59] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: go 'head
[02:59] <jdong> (mainly because they decided to include that random web interface that is causing all kinds of crashes)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: does that occur on a new profile?  i cant reproduce that (feisty)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> jdong: ahhh :(
[03:18] <ajmitch> jdong: yay for upstreams that just go on feature-adding binges
[03:18] <ajmitch> & never have a real stable release
[03:18] <jdong> lol
[03:18] <jdong> ajmitch: it's wonderful isn't it :)
[03:18] <jdong> ajmitch: especially now that cherry-picking fixes from SVN is no longer practical
[03:18] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: should I get a new 20" LCD panel?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes, why not?
[03:19] <jdong> I've got a 32" LCD HDTV I'm using as a makeshift monitor
[03:19] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: $549 NZD for a 20" panel that does 1680x1050
[03:19] <ajmitch> I'm quite tempted
[03:19] <jdong> sadly until I stop being cheap (i.e. purchase HDMI->DVI converter cables) I can only do 1280x1024
[03:20] <jdong> anyone want to purchase a LCD HDTV for >$400 USD?
[03:20] <ajmitch> or one that does 1600x1200, might be a better option
[03:20] <ajmitch> nope
[03:20] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: nice!
[03:20] <ajmitch> yeah, it'll go well for dual-head with the 21" CRT I have
[03:21] <ajmitch> will free up the 17" CRT for the old box which I want to use for some other hacking
[03:21] <ajmitch> 3200x1200 desktop will be nice
[03:22] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: sorry, creating a new session caused my computer to go KRASH!... but yes, I can reproduce it on a new account
[03:22] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: interesting....
[03:22] <Hobbsee> yes, but do you have money to *pay* said credit card?  *g*
[03:23] <ryanakca> edgy, btw
[03:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, i figured
[03:23] <Hobbsee> edgy's old, upgrade to feisty :P
[03:23] <ryanakca> lol
[03:23] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: it's in credit by about $1100, actually
[03:23] <ryanakca> last I heard, it was terribly unstable
[03:23] <ajmitch> so yes
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yay!
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: well, every once in a while something *major* breaks :P
[03:23] <ajmitch> & only a week until I get paid next
[03:24] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: lol
[03:24] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[03:25] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: well, when I can use my console, kopete, konversation, python, firefox, mysql, apache2, mysql, php, KDE, konqueror, (need I go on), tell me :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:25] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: meet a dual boot :P
[03:25] <ryanakca> I have one computer... that's plugged in... and it plays the role of server and desktop
[03:25] <Hobbsee> ha
[03:25] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: but that means I wouldn't have 200gb all to edgy anymore
[03:25] <Hobbsee> *ah
[03:25] <Hobbsee> yes, and?
[03:26] <ryanakca> dunno
[03:29] <ajmitch> ok, should get a new monitor soonish
[03:30] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: in the morning, should I submit that as a bug?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:32] <ryanakca> kk
[03:32] <Hobbsee> then you can go triage all hte other bugs :P
[03:33] <ryanakca> lol
[03:33] <ryanakca> I thought you didn't want me to do that because it spamed your inbox?
[07:31] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[07:31] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[07:32] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[07:32] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[07:32] <Jucato> I was just about to go to bed :)
[07:32] <Hobbsee> smart
[07:33] <Jucato> so I can stay up late tonight again
[07:42] <Hobbsee> yay, netsplit
[10:26] <freeflying> anyone has a ppc machine would like test kerry-0.2 for me
[10:26] <freeflying> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~freeflying/packages/feisty/kerry/
[10:28] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure that URL is invalid for most of us
[10:28] <crimsun> (most ISPs drop 192.168/16)
[10:44] <freeflying> crimsun: sorry
[10:44] <freeflying> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~freeflying/packages/feisty/kerry/
[10:45] <freeflying> :)
[04:13] <freeflying_> raphink: robotgee1: arounds?
[04:14] <raphink> yep
[04:14] <freeflying_> raphink: would u like test kerry-0.2 on ppc? :)
[04:15] <raphink> why not
[04:15] <freeflying_> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~freeflying/packages/feisty/kerry/
[04:15] <freeflying_> it works well with pbuilder on x86 :)
[04:16] <raphink> wait
[04:16] <raphink> I'm a bit busy
[04:16] <raphink> but I'll test
[04:17] <bddebian> Heya
[04:17] <freeflying_> raphink: thanks, if it's ok on ppc, i'd upload :)
[04:17] <freeflying_> bddebian: hi
[04:19] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:24] <bddebian> Heya freeflying, Jucato
[05:06] <lotusleaf> https://launchpad.net/products/kdar confirmed bug in ubuntu and ubuntu edgy, but listed as unconfirmed in upstream, can this be listed as confirmed by someone please?
[05:44] <plerk> imbarndon
[05:44] <plerk> are you here?
[05:54] <mhb> hi all
[05:55] <Lure> hi mhb
[07:01] <seele> mhb: ping
[07:01] <Jucato> hi seele :)
[07:02] <seele> hallo
[07:02] <mhb> seele: here
[07:03] <seele> mhb: did you catch my blog entry about grub use cases and default configs?
[07:03] <mhb> seele: missed it
[07:03] <seele> mhb: http://weblog.obso1337.org/2006/grub-user-interface-the-early-stages/
[07:04] <seele> all the comments are answering a few questions i asked.. particularly what options they tend to change if they change any at all
[07:04] <mhb> cool
[07:09] <mhb> seele: I have to get away now, sorry ... thanks for the blog entry and everything
[07:09] <mhb> seele: I'll ping you tomorrow (or when I get back)
[07:11] <seele> no problem
[07:11] <seele> i have some papers to write because its end of semester so i probably wont do much work on this for a week or two
[08:20] <toma> Lure: ping
[08:30] <jpatrick> everyone still alive?
[08:30] <outime> Hi developers
[08:30] <jpatrick> anyone*
[08:31] <outime> Hmm, jpatrick, none
[08:31] <mhb> I'm here (again)
[08:32] <outime> Well... I try to explain. jpatrick say me that I can help the Kubuntu team with translate english to spanish, and make some documentation
[08:32] <outime> right?
[08:32] <DaSkreech> I would suspect so :)
[08:32] <mhb> outime: sure you can, but this is not the best channel for that
[08:33] <mhb> outime: (maybe for documentation, but not for translation)
[08:33] <outime> jpatrick, ouch ?
[08:33] <outime> He says me that this is the channel
[08:33] <outime> but it's ok
[08:33] <jpatrick> mhb: I just pointed him to this channel
[08:33] <DaSkreech> Good :)
[08:34] <mhb> outime: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-es
[08:34] <outime> Joining :-P, thanks
[08:34] <mhb> outime: this team has the rights to translate ubuntu (and Kubuntu) into Spanish
[08:34] <outime> Subscription request pending approval.
[08:34] <outime> Perfect mhb, thanks for help
[08:35] <mhb> outime: you can check their page, they may have some more info
[08:35] <mhb> outime: wiki page or something
[08:35] <outime> mhb, for example
[08:35] <mhb> outime: when they accept you, there will surely be someone who cares about Kubuntu translations
[08:35] <outime> there are some people who send invitation one year ago
[08:36] <outime> I can wait, but one year...
[08:36] <jpatrick> outime: you have to make them know you exist
[08:37] <outime> Carlos (here, in Freenode) is on, and is the administrator
[08:37] <outime> I go to talk with him
[08:38] <outime> Well, is away, maybe after
[08:45] <Lure> toma: pong
[08:48] <toma> Lure: did you try an updated mailody ?
[08:48] <Lure> toma: sorry, no - did not have time last days :-(
[08:48] <toma> okay
[08:49] <Lure> toma: problem is that I do not have vpn working, so I can only test at work and I do not have much time there :-(
[08:49] <toma> allright
[08:49] <toma> Lure: i'll probably do a RC2 which is still broken for you then
[08:50] <Lure> toma: I hope I will find more time in next weeks, as I would like to help with mailody
[08:50] <Lure> toma: will try RC2 next week and let you know - I am traveling this week
[08:50] <toma> Lure: ok, thanks
[08:51] <Lure> toma: btw, great work on mailody in short time
[08:51] <toma> ;-)
[08:51] <DaSkreech> Oh that's you?
[08:53] <toma> yep
[08:54] <DaSkreech> well done
[08:55] <toma> DaSkreech: thanks, did you try it?
[09:00] <DaSkreech> No been following the svn commits on it
[10:03] <Lure> http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2006/11/distributor-patches.html
[10:07] <mhb> Lure: it's ubuntu's fault? Debian patches not involved?
[10:08] <Lure> mhb: not sure, just seen it abd posted link for somebody with more knowledge of kpdf/cups packages
[10:11] <mhb> Lure: oh. it's not me, sadly
[10:48] <jdong> are we any closer to the mystery of the 60-fold DPMS timeout?
[10:49] <jdong> or should I continue writing python infinite loops to monitor xset -q output? :D
[11:29] <toma> s60 fold dpms timeout?
[11:31] <jdong> toma: yes... whatever DPMS timeout you set, on next login it's 60-fold
[11:31] <jdong> toma: I set 120, it turns out to be 7200
[11:32] <jdong> I would give you a LP bug #, but it would appear like the mighty proprietary beast is down right now
[11:32] <jdong> bug 65791
[11:33] <toma> jdong: ah okay.
[11:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65791 in kde-guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791
[11:33] <jdong> it's quite an irritating regression from Dapper for laptop users
[11:33] <toma> jdong: ah, need to keep an eye on that


[08:15] <DJones> Morning all
[08:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hey DJones
[08:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning everyone else.
[08:19] <DJones> Morning TheOpenSourcerer
[08:32] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hi AlanBell
[08:37] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:14] <bigcalm> Morning :)
[09:15] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[09:16] <bigcalm> Hi MooDoo
[09:17] <daubers> \o/
[09:18] <daubers> SEC have lost one of the phases to Callieva Park this morning
[09:18] <daubers> Luckily one ring in the office is on another phase, so extension leads _everywhere_ keeping servers alive as the UPS's die
[09:18] <bigcalm> That's healthy
[09:18] <daubers> Yep!
[09:21] <BigRedS> Surely the UPSs should be switching to the not-down phases all by themselves?
[09:21] <daubers> The old building is entirley on a single phase
[09:21] <daubers> and that's where the server room is
[09:21] <daubers> One room in the new building is on another phase :)
[09:22] <AlanBell> I guess that hurts the power company a bit
[09:22] <daubers> Meh, this has happened before, so they probably need a good kicking anyway
[09:26] <czajkowski> morning all
[09:26] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/191072  if someone wants to tackle that
[09:26] <AlanBell> "linux mint"
[09:29] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, all!
[09:29] <diplo> Morning all
[10:00] <kirrus> g'morning
[10:02] <MooDoo> morn
[10:07] <popey> Morning
[10:14] <ali1234> that guy with the tosh laptop running mint has handed you the answer to an existing long standing bug on a plate
[10:15] <ali1234> unfortunately the first person to respond didn't read past the first line and just told him to go to linux mint forums
[10:16] <ed1234> Hi anyone know how to turn off anti aliasing in all the applications in lubuntu, Ive selected the option from customize look and feel but some applications still have antialiasing on (i have istalled calibre, which is ebook conversion tool and it has aa on),thanks, any help appreciated (oh and i am new to linux)
[10:16] <ali1234> which i might add will have no idea what to do with him because it's a web forum, and web forums and kernel developers do not mix
[10:16] <ali1234> plus they won't want to know either because he is using a custom kernel patch
[10:17] <ali1234> ed1234: it is complicated
[10:17] <ali1234> i will explain it though, to make a point about why lubuntu is not a reasonable alternative to gnome
[10:18] <nothingspecial> ali1234, do you have a problem at ubuntuforums.org? or another forum
[10:18] <ali1234> you see, long ago, linux had hundreds of different gui toolkits, all completely incompatible
[10:18] <bigcalm> popey: how did you not get hong-kong? :(
[10:18] <ali1234> then KDE was invented and it was good, but the licence sucked, so then gnome was invented as well
[10:18] <ali1234> so these two toolkits were incompatible but both very good in comparison to everything else
[10:19] <ali1234> after a while the two groups of developers started working together on some stuff, under an initiative called free desktop
[10:19] <ali1234> under free desktop, gnome and kde share some configuration options like appearence settings
[10:20] <ali1234> so if you run KDE, gnome apps will follow the KDE setting for antialiasing
[10:20] <ali1234> and if you run gnome, the KDE apps follow the gnome setting
[10:20] <ali1234> that all works really well
[10:20] <ali1234> unfortunately stuff like lubuntu, xfce, and all the others have terrible free desktop support, so if you use them, the end result is neither gnome nor KDE apps (which is 99% of all apps) will correctly follow the desktop settings for antialiasing, fonts etc
[10:21] <ali1234> so you have to install the respective configuration system for the app, and configure it separately
[10:21] <ali1234> you have to do that for both KDE and gnome
[10:23] <popey> bigcalm: ☺
[10:23] <ali1234> and that's why i rage every time someone suggests LXDE or XFCE as an alternative to gnome 2
[10:23] <bigcalm> popey: I pour my artistic soul into that game!
[10:24]  * bigcalm sobs quietly
[10:24] <bigcalm> I do get piddled off by those who just write the answer. Missing the point of the game
[10:26] <ed1234> so what do I do then? surely there must be a solution without reinstaling ubuntu (which btw runs slow on my old machine)
[10:26] <ali1234> ed1234: it depends on the app
[10:26] <ali1234> you need to figure out what toolkit it uses, and then install the configuration tools for that toolkit
[10:27] <ed1234> how do I do that, figure out he toolkit it uses?
[10:27] <ali1234> there are several ways
[10:27] <ali1234> you can look at the source code or the dependencies of the package
[10:27] <ali1234> after a while you'll be able to tell just by looking at the appor check the website
[10:28] <ali1234> for example calibre uses Qt
[10:29] <ed1234> ok, so I need QT configuration tool then
[10:29] <ali1234> you configure that using qt4-qtconfig
[10:29] <DJones> Did somebody mention that HUD was being delayed and wouldn't be included in precise (can't decide whether I misread something, or whether that was said last week)
[10:30] <ed1234> will that qt configuration affect all qt applications on my machine?
[10:30] <ali1234> probably
[10:30] <ali1234> also it doesn't appear to have a setting for anti-aliasing
[10:31] <directhex> oh joy. "someone stole some blank vehicle registration documents, so now we're reprinting them for everyone in the country on a different colour paper"
[10:31] <ali1234> again?
[10:31] <bigcalm> Funky
[10:31] <bigcalm> MOT certs are really boring now
[10:31] <bigcalm> Plain white paper
[10:34] <directhex> ali1234, say hello to the new bright red V5C!
[10:35] <directhex> wait, the theft of the old blue ones was in *2007*?
[10:35] <DJones> directhex: Have you got a link to that story?
[10:36] <directhex> http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_189329
[10:41] <DJones> Interesting
[10:41] <ali1234> ah so not again, it's just taken them 5 years to do something about it?
[10:42] <BigRedS> It *is* the DVLA
[10:44] <directhex> ali1234, yes!
[10:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:28] <davmor2> morning all
[11:28] <davmor2> czajkowski: hugs
[11:29] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[11:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: mrevell: set for Thursday?
[11:30] <bigcalm> I am
[11:30] <mrevell> davmor2, Yeah, probably.
[11:31] <bigcalm> Not sure what to do about Wednesday evening though
[11:31] <bigcalm> I could leave early, but that would not be good for Adam Sweet if I'm giving him a lift
[11:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: If things keep going the way they are I won't have time to get there but hopefully that won't be the case and Adam won't mind really
[12:18] <s-fox> o/
[14:03] <diplo> AlanBell, Was it you who ordered the Zoostorm recently from ebuyer ?
[14:03] <diplo> And upgraded parts ?
[14:04] <popey> he ordered one for dadbuntu didnt he?
[14:05]  * popey has one too
[14:05] <AlanBell> diplo: yes, didn't upgrade anything on it
[14:05] <diplo> How did you find it in the end ?
[14:05] <diplo> Had my parents asking me again yesterday, thought I'd see how you had got on :)
[14:16] <ali1234> zoostorm has to be the silliest name for a computer ever
[14:22] <popey> diplo: my main desktop is one, works fine (once I had the mobo replaced under warranty)
[14:22] <ali1234> popey: did your laptop get fixed btw?
[14:23] <popey> yeah, new mobo
[14:23] <ali1234> hmm
[14:23] <ali1234> yo have bad luck with motherboards?
[14:23] <popey> seems so
[14:23] <popey> ipad broken now ☺
[14:23] <ali1234> this G19 keyboard is really bad for a £100 keyboard
[14:23] <ali1234> drops letters all over the place, or reverses them
[14:23] <ali1234> i might have to go back to the cheapy one
[14:24] <diplo> popey, How noisey is it ?  not that it really matters.. I swear my dad is close to stone deaf
[14:24] <diplo> :)
[14:24] <gord> attempting to build a new xbmc on my revo today, this might take a while :(
[14:24] <diplo> Oooh fresh install gord ?
[14:24] <diplo> Been putting off doing mine for ages
[14:24] <ali1234> why build native?
[14:25] <gord> diplo, nope, i need a feature of ffmpeg that isn't available in the xbmc source, so i'm using some script someone made to merge it all together
[14:25] <ali1234> wait revo isn't even arm, there's even less reason to build on the target
[14:25] <BigRedS> I found my current keyboard down the back of a filing cabinet about six years ago. Its RRP is ~£7
[14:26] <BigRedS> Oh, no, they're on ebay for a tenner
[14:26] <gord> ali1234, because i have stuff to do and wasting a few hours building on the revo is fine in comparison to wasting my time on the desktop
[14:26] <ali1234> BigRedS: i didn't pay for this kb, i wouldn't buy one
[14:26] <BigRedS> ali1234: aha. Yeah, much as I like the idea of a model M or whatever, turns out cheap old keyboarsd are pretty durable and reasonable to type on
[14:26] <diplo> You playing some special format gord ?
[14:27] <ali1234> i mean i wouldn't have bought one anyway, but now i know what they are like i *really* woldn't buy one
[14:27] <gord> diplo, 10bit encoded x264 video
[14:27] <ali1234> a model M is a cheap old keyboard
[14:27] <BigRedS> ah yeah, that's a good point
[14:27] <BigRedS> they're just not cheap now
[14:27] <ali1234> they're only expensive now because they are so rare
[14:27] <ali1234> some guy quotes me $30 plus shipping for 1 key spring
[14:28] <BigRedS> I am in the wrong bit of the computer industry
[14:28] <ali1234> which reminds me
[14:30] <popey> diplo: not too loud, only one fan on the cpu, and the disk
[14:35] <diplo> OK, well two of you now have one I feel safer
[14:35] <diplo> Can I ask what you guys have memory wise in your Revo's ?
[14:36] <AlanBell> diplo: the zoostorm is fine, not very noisy (it was replacing one that was at least equally noisy)
[14:36] <AlanBell> it is nice and fast
[14:36] <gord> i think i have 4gb somethings in my revo diplo - its pretty easy to replace
[14:36] <diplo> heh, I still have the standard 1gb
[14:36] <bigcalm> diplo: I have the maximum 4gb in my revo. But it won't use it all
[14:37] <diplo> Worried about upgrading with 12.04 and ram usage :)
[14:37] <diplo> Works fine on lucid with 1gb tbh
[14:37] <gord> my ram broke, new ram was so cheep that i bumped it up
[14:37] <bigcalm> I'll put 12.04 onto my revo when it's ready
[14:37] <popey> diplo: revo has 4GB here and an SSD
[14:37] <diplo> Only reason I haven't ordered yet is I always forgoet to check model before coming to work
[14:38] <diplo> and always forget at night with kids about
[14:38] <diplo> SSD :(
[14:38] <popey> why ☹
[14:38] <diplo> Stretch my budget just to far
[14:38] <popey> ahh
[14:38] <bigcalm> Yes, Revo will get an SSD also
[14:38] <diplo> Would love one for laptop/revo/other laptop
[14:38] <diplo> PC
[14:38] <diplo> Need some private work to treat myself really
[14:38] <bigcalm> I have a 120gb SSD sitting on my desk waiting for 12.04 to be ready
[14:38] <bigcalm> My laptop is panting in anticipation
[14:39] <diplo> Grrr, don't rub it in!
[14:39] <bigcalm> Save some pennies. They are _very_ slowly coming down in price
[14:40] <bigcalm> Once you use an SSD, you will never want to use an HDD again
[14:40] <gord> ehhhhhh
[14:40] <bigcalm> Well, I don't want to
[14:40] <gord> until you start hitting your memory limits and get frustrated ;)
[14:40] <diplo> I have two kids living at home on my own, not a lot of chance to save.. it's either CC and pay off over a few months or nothing at the mo
[14:41] <BigRedS> It seems like oodles of RAM. I'll not have a problem until I've had it and then had it taken away again.
[14:41] <BigRedS> so I'm just going to not buy one
[14:41] <BigRedS> and be happy with my spinning platters
[14:41] <gord> my ssd is mostly only good in two situations, boot up speed and building software. given that i suspend my laptop all the time and only build software on there when i'm out and about, not really hugely inclined atm
[14:41] <bigcalm> diplo: send the kids down the local mine
[14:42] <diplo> heh, would love to monetize them... a mine would be good with all the bloody energy they have at the mo!
[14:42] <diplo> Both have stonking colds and still running around like loonies yesterday at a play centre
[14:43] <gord> hamster wheels, save on the electricity
[14:51]  * popey stabs bug 936667 in the face
[14:53]  * BigRedS wants his sysvinit back
[14:53]  * popey wonders how to fix this
[14:54]  * popey appens --no-log
[14:59]  * bigcalm sadly gets out the laptop to test a windows only feature :(
[15:00] <bigcalm> 5 screens is not healthy
[15:00]  * diplo has 4 on the go :/
[15:01] <bigcalm> If the skype plugin 'click-to-call' worked in Linux, I wouldn't need my laptop right now
[15:01] <bigcalm> Damn you closed source systems!
[15:02] <bigcalm> I bet even Windows would boot quickly on an SSD
[15:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: well faster
[15:03] <gord> windows boots pretty quickly even on a HDD these days, or at least 7 does on my desktop machine
[15:03] <gord> not super quick, but quick enough that it doesn't bother me
[15:04] <bigcalm> After the password prompt, I'm still waiting for a useable system
[15:04] <gord> is that not just all the applications you have set to auto start?
[15:05] <gord> i keep my windows install just for steam very light on the auto starts
[15:05] <bigcalm> gord: it's probably the av taking its time
[15:05] <gord> stop downloading viruses :P
[16:25] <DJones> Here's a use for the Rasberry Pi http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bays-attacks-censorship-with-server-drones-120318/ :) 1st April yet?
[16:29] <bigcalm> http://partners.rackspace.com/ working for anybody?
[16:30] <ali1234> nope
[16:30] <popey> Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> failed.
[16:30]  * bigcalm grumbles
[16:30] <bigcalm> Kind of puts you off buying from them
[16:31] <christel> yes, dont do it
[16:31] <christel> come to my movie premiere instead!
[16:31] <czajkowski> http://www.rackspace.com/partners/  that works
[16:32] <gord> ah, so it didn't work because bigcalm just made up a url ;)
[16:32] <bigcalm> http://www.rackspace.co.uk/partner-programme/partner-portal/
[16:32] <bigcalm> I followed the link from that page
[16:33] <bigcalm> gord: isn't that how URLs work in the interwebs?
[16:33] <gord> email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to inform them of their missing hyperlink!
[16:34] <DJones> Or just use the "live chat" with an operator to point out that you would have bought something from them, but because their system doesn't work, you'll be going elsewhere (unless they give you a discount)
[16:34] <czajkowski> the failed link gives you the correct url....
[16:35] <bigcalm> No it doesn't
[16:36] <bigcalm> That's not the login portal for partners
[16:37] <czajkowski> bigcalm: Additional suggestions:
[16:37] <czajkowski> Go to rackspace.com/partners/
[16:37] <czajkowski> Go to rackspace.com
[16:37] <bigcalm> Yes, only Chrome offers that for me
[16:38] <bigcalm> FireFox doesn't
[16:38] <czajkowski> bigcalm: use a propper browser :)
[16:39] <bigcalm> czajkowski: use a propper OS :P
[16:39] <czajkowski> I do
[16:39] <czajkowski> and my browser works also :)
[16:40] <bigcalm> So do mine. It's not the web browser at fault
[16:40] <bigcalm> It's all Linux's fault!
[16:40] <bigcalm> Rarrrr
[16:53] <daubers> personally, I blame it on the boogie
[16:54]  * BigRedS blames it on the good times
[16:55] <daubers> As long as we all agree not to blame it on the sunshine
[16:56]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski cause he hasn't in a while :P
[17:09] <christel> :o
[17:11] <kirrus> what's the freenode ops channel? I think I've found an IRC-botnet that uses a freenode channel as it's C&C
[17:12] <christel> #freenode -- though you're welcome to pm me if you want :)
[17:12] <kirrus> Cool :)
[17:14] <BigRedS> kirrus: no apostrophe!
[17:14] <BigRedS> Well, two of them are OK in that sentence, but not the third.
[17:16] <popey> can someone confirm bug 959505 pls
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> can I disable "Recently Used"?
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> I've already uninstalled zeitgeist
[17:18] <popey> ☺
[17:20] <kirrus> popey: just want someone to duplicate it, and then change bug status, right?
[17:20] <kirrus> If so, confirmed
[17:22] <popey> ta
[17:24] <AlanBell> I don't like recently used either
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: especially the defaulting on it
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> I don't mind that it's _there_
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> but the fact that all "File -> Open" and "File -> Save" dialogs start in it bugs me
[17:25] <popey> +1
[17:25] <AlanBell> yeah, it is mostly harmless, I just don't trust it
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> turning off "logging" (in the shiny new privacy screen) also doesn't disable it
[17:27] <AlanBell> I guess if I could see the path of things before opening them I would be happier
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: but you used it recently! you must know where it is
[17:28] <AlanBell> well not for certain
[17:28] <AlanBell> if I have a file called __openerp__.py that was used recently it could be in any of 124 different folders
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> Hmm, more "The Tube" tonight
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: ^
[17:29] <popey> the what?
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01dzm9y
[17:30] <popey> not seen any of that
[17:30] <popey> i should
[17:30]  * popey kicks get_iplayer
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> \o/ get_iplayer
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> uhr.. \o/ record_dvbstream
[17:56] <s-fox> Going running, goodbye
[18:02] <awilkins> Back at work one day. Tedium already seeping into bones.
[19:14] <AlanBell> oh la la http://www.le-libriste.fr/2012/03/ubuntu-unity-window-quicklists/
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's in Frenchish!
[19:28] <AlanBell> oui
[19:28] <jacobw> ja
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> si
[19:29] <jacobw> paralell
[19:30] <Azelphur> Random things, I was watching star trek TNG last night and Data said he has "800 quadrillion bits" of memory capacity, and he could perform 60 trillion computational operations per second. I took computational operations per second to be FLOPS. Worked it all out, Data has a 90,949TB HDD and a CPU 550 times as powerful as a hex core i7 960 XE \o/
[19:31] <jacobw> that's nice
[19:31] <jacobw> have you taken your medication today?
[19:31] <ali1234> but the starship enterprise on has 2TB
[19:31] <Azelphur> jacobw: no xD
[19:31] <ali1234> according to the first episode
[19:31] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha, bit of a discrepancy there
[19:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: & Spanish: http://www.atareao.es/ubuntu/software-para-tu-ubuntu/unity-window-quicklists-o-encontrar-la-ventana-que-buscas/
[19:32] <ali1234> yes. in the later series they switched to using meaningless made up words
[19:32] <jacobw> they deployed an enterprise storage solution ;)
[19:32] <jacobw> (i'm sorry)
[19:33] <Azelphur> haha
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: I must have been ready for the Enterprise
[19:33] <ali1234> gene roddenberry was all about trying to be realistic with the sci fi and use real stuff - but that ends up seeming dated. where as berman and that other guy were just like "this is dumb sci fi, let's make it stupid"
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> "Hurr-durr octoquads"
[19:34] <ali1234> exatly
[19:41] <ging> 7
[19:41] <ging> oops
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> ging: [7]?
[19:42] <ging> was flicking tabs
[19:42] <Azelphur> lol
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ah you're a redditor ;)
[19:42] <Azelphur> I am?
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I thought you understood the [7] :)
[19:42] <ging> note sure how i pressed enter
[19:42] <Azelphur> nope xD
[19:43] <gordonjcp> right, any openerp-ers about?
[19:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> yes gordonjcp
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.reddit.com/comments/dvwxd/what_do_the_singledigit_numbers_in_square/ :)
[19:44] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: aha, I'm just looking at your site
[19:44] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: so you reckon installing 6.1 instead of the stock packages?
[19:44] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> It depends on what you want really. It isn't hard to do from the source tarball and I find it easier to deal with mods and changes to OpenERP this way. You won't break dpkg.
[19:46] <gordonjcp> tbh I want a mostly fit-and-forget install
[19:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think something like sudo dpkg --force-depends install openerp-6,1.deb
[19:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you are on 10.04 you'll need to update werkzueg.
[19:47] <gordonjcp> ah, 11.04 server
[19:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> dunno on 11.04. But sudo pip install werkzeug will do it anyway.
[19:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> you need > 0.8 AIUI
[20:00] <gordonjcp> hmm
[20:00] <gordonjcp> tbh I think openerp is a bit heavyweight for what I want
[20:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> gordonjcp: what is it you want to do?
[20:08] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: I want a stock control system
[20:09] <gordonjcp> accounting would be good, but not necessary
[20:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> OpenERP is rather good at that sort of thing. But with goodness comes some level of complexity and setting up. What stock are you managing?
[20:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> btw - happy to discuss offline tomorrow is that suits.
[20:09] <gordonjcp> radio parts, and radios
[20:09] <gordonjcp> mostly
[20:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\if
[20:10] <gordonjcp> offline?
[20:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> meants off Ubuntu-uk.
[20:10] <gordonjcp> ah, okay
[20:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> or you could visit #openobject
[20:10] <gordonjcp> well I'll poke this some more, although I think I'll drop it back to 5 until I get my head around it
[20:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> 6.1 is *much* better
[20:11] <gordonjcp> hmm
[20:54] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps
[22:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Im not a poser, honest! - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/03/19/im-not-a-poser-honest/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=im-not-a-poser-honest


[02:55] <shakes808> evening all
[03:26] <cmaloney> Evening
[03:47] <shakes808> I sent your resume to my other friend and he said that he comes across anything he will call you.
[03:47] <shakes808> * get in contact with you


[16:58] <Forage> Good evening. A history question: Ubuntu 15.04 started using systemd by default instead of upstart. Does this also go for Ubuntu GNOME? Or was systemd already used in earlier releases? By using the staging ppa for example
[17:02] <JockeTF> Forage: Pretty sure Ubuntu GNOME follows Ubuntu regarding that. It's Ubuntu GNOME and Ubuntu are much the same exact distribution, except for a different set of default packages.
[17:03] <Forage> JockeTF: that was my feeling as well, though I can imagine the staging ppa playing with it sooner
[17:04] <JockeTF> Forage: Possibly, it's a pretty large change though. :)
[17:04] <JockeTF> Also, that wouldn't be "by default".
[17:05] <JockeTF> You may have been able to install systemd in Ubuntu before it was made the default. :)
[17:05] <Forage> OK, let's rule the staging ppa scenario out for a moment then
[17:05] <Forage> merci
[17:06] <JockeTF> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=systemd <-- Parts of it were in 14.04, at least.


[00:16] <sidnei> anyone around to help me pushing a bzr branch to github?
[00:16] <sidnei> im getting an error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/814914/
[00:17] <sidnei> jelmer, ^
[00:28] <poolie> hi sidnei
[00:28] <sidnei> heya poolie
[00:28] <poolie> i don't recognize that
[00:28] <poolie> suggest you just file a bug
[00:29] <sidnei> oki.
[00:29] <sidnei> i assume if i do a fast-export it won't be compatible with doing dpush after that?
[00:46] <jelmer> sidnei: I would suggest trying lp:bzr-git (asuming you're running precise)
[01:09] <sidnei> jelmer, as in, the branch not the package
[01:12] <sidnei> jelmer, slightly different error
[01:12] <sidnei> jelmer, http://paste.ubuntu.com/814962/
[01:15] <jelmer> sidnei: try adding ,branch=master to the end of the URL
[01:16]  * jelmer wonders if we should do that by default
[01:16] <jelmer> we used to, but that's slightly inconsistent with git itself
[01:16] <sidnei> jelmer, seems to be progressing
[01:25] <sidnei> jelmer, failed at the end, but seems to have pushed fine http://paste.ubuntu.com/814968/
[08:04]  * jelmer waves
[08:05] <vila> hi all !
[08:05] <AuroraBorealis> hi
[08:05] <AuroraBorealis> can i ask where bazaar explorer gets the 'names' it uses for its branches? i think its bzr nick but setting it doesn't seem to change anything
[08:05] <mgz> morning
[08:08] <poolie> hi mgz
[08:12] <AuroraBorealis> brb
[08:14] <jelmer> ready to hang out when you are :)
[08:20] <wgz> hm, does someone need to setup the thingy?
[08:20] <vila> chromium is up, waiting for the hangout to start
[08:24] <wgz> vila: easy to miss notification top right
[08:24] <vila> got jelmer's one
[10:00] <wgz> sad robot.
[10:12] <jelmer> wgz: :(
[10:12] <jelmer> vila: looks like my pre-merge trick backfired
[10:13] <vila> :-/
[10:13] <vila> how so ?
[10:13] <jelmer> vila: lp:bzr/2.5 is slightly ahead of bzr.dev, so feed-pqm won't suggest my branch for submission
[10:15] <vila> yeah, you landed your commit builder fix there ;)
[10:34] <mgz> just had a thought, where did the fsync changes land, and when is it enabled?
[10:37] <mgz> 2.4b5 and for all systems it seems
[10:37] <jelmer> that sounds about right
[10:37] <mgz> I wonder if that's the cause of exarkun's weird slowness yesterday evening
[10:37] <mgz> windows arguably doesn't want it on by default, as ntfs is less flakey than nix filesystems
[10:39] <mgz> anyway, getting distracted, back to dealing with the weather
[12:13] <futch> hello, is it possible to change the history log of a bzr repo without using the rewrite plugin? (just out-of-the-box means) - without causing harm to the repos itself, of course
[13:02] <jml> hey
[13:02] <jml> colo
[13:03] <jml> that's what I want to talk about. I hear it's in a state for end users to try out?
[13:07] <mgz> futch: sure, just branch from the last revision you want, then replay or flatten changes by cherrypicking changes across
[13:08] <mgz> jml: jelmer will have more for you, but basically yes
[13:08] <jml> cool.
[13:08] <jml> where do I start?
[13:09] <mgz> `bzr init --development-colo` for testing, there's a branch to flatten that into the existing format which hasn't landed yet
[13:11] <mgz> then er... see <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2012q1/074217.html>
[13:12] <jml> mgz: are there recipes for migrating existing directory-style set ups into colo?
[13:14] <mgz> good question, I think no, but there's a bug for `bzr reconfigure` to do... something
[13:14] <mgz> bug 919227
[16:22] <henninge> Hi!
[16:22] <henninge> What could make bzr ignore information in locations.conf?
[16:23] <henninge> I created a locations.conf to specify a push location but bzr push keeps insisting that "no push location" is specified.
[16:25] <henninge> (This is on OS X but so far that has not been a problem ;)
[16:27] <jelmer> hi henninge
[16:27] <henninge> Hey jelmer ;)
[16:27] <jelmer> henninge: how are you, enjoying your new job?
[16:28] <henninge> Very much, thank you!#
[16:28] <jelmer> henninge: cool :)
[16:28] <jelmer> henninge: "bzr config" should tell you what it thinks the push location is, and where it got it from.
[16:28] <henninge> oh, right
[16:29] <henninge> I am not the one using OS X, btw ...
[16:31] <henninge> jelmer: bzr config returns the expected values, as configured in locations.conf.
[16:34] <henninge> jelmer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/815496/
[16:35] <jelmer> henninge: hmm, that's really odd
[16:35] <jelmer> what's the command being run - just "bzr push" ?
[16:37] <henninge> yes
[16:38] <henninge> Inside a lightweight checkout of a branch, both located inside the repository.
[16:38] <henninge> Pushing directly from the branch is no different.
[16:39] <jelmer> henninge: and specifying a location works?
[16:40] <henninge> yes
[16:41] <henninge> jelmer: I have to say that I have not been entering the commands myself but have been given instructions through skype chat ...
[16:42] <henninge> But I doubled checked that he did it correctly.
[16:42] <jelmer> henninge: it's a mystery to me what's happening here
[16:43] <henninge> jelmer: ok, we'll work with specifiying the location for now.
[16:43] <jelmer> henninge: I'm about to EOD - can you perhaps file a question/bug about it?
[16:43] <henninge> jelmer: I will, after I have tried it myself, I mean, really myself. ;-)
[16:44] <henninge> jelmer: Enjoy your EOD
[16:44] <jelmer> henninge: if you feel like debugging this then the most useful thing to look at would probably be bzrlib/push.py - just stepping through the main function there
[16:44] <henninge> ok
[16:44] <jelmer> henninge: thanks!
[19:45] <SamB> is it just me, or has bzr recently radically shortened the output it gives when an exception occurs?
[19:47] <SamB> whatever is going on, the following is a bit *too* short:
[19:47] <SamB> Pulling branches/v8.2 from svn://scm.gforge.inria.fr/svn/coq/branches/v8.2
[19:47] <SamB> open_branch() got an unexpected keyword argument 'possible_transports'
[19:51] <wgz> SamB: that's bug 902539
[19:52] <wgz> you need to update to bzr-svn 1.1.2
[19:52] <SamB> The exception message doesn't tell me (a) *what* exception occured, (b) *where* it occured, (c) whether it was fatal, or (d) any indication as to what component(s) may need attention
[19:53] <SamB> wgz: I guessed it might be something like that
[19:53] <wgz> is this on the console or in bzr-explorer, what platform, what version of bzr, installed how?
[19:53] <SamB> but, didn't exceptions used to give a lot more information?
[19:53] <wgz> it certainly should be prompting you to report a bug.
[19:54] <wgz> find you .bzr.log and the block this error occurred in and paste it?
[19:54] <wgz> !pastebin
[19:54] <SamB> I guess the exception might be getting swallowed or something ...
[19:54] <wgz> running `bzr version` will tell you where .bzr.log is
[19:55] <SamB> but I still think it's too terse
[19:57] <wgz> it's wrong, but without more details I don't know the cause :)
[19:57] <SamB> hmm
[19:57] <SamB> I think it might be from too long ago to be in .bzr.log :-(
[19:58]  * SamB was looking at mail from cron
[19:59] <vila> SamB: too long ago in .bzr.log ? That would mean a pretty intense usage or some high verbosity from bzr ;)
[19:59] <SamB> okay, no, that can't be it
[20:00] <SamB> my third-latest email has one of those in it ...
[20:02] <SamB> hmm
[20:03] <SamB> !pastebinit
[20:04] <wgz> the whole of .bzr.log isn't needed
[20:04] <wgz> just copy out the part that you find that error in
[20:05] <SamB> I know, it just sounds more convenient than opening a pastebin site in my browser, given the amount of RAM available
[20:13] <SamB> http://paste.debian.net/153495/
[20:14] <SamB> I think multi-pull is eating the exception
[20:21]  * SamB looks for a command that compactly lists important details about bzr and plugins, like the proper exception output, only without the exception/traceback
[20:21] <wgz> yup, seems like it
[20:23] <SamB> I can see why it might not want to *just* fail, but this sure doesn't seem right, either!
[20:24] <wgz> try `bzr -Dno_apport --no-plugins assert-fail`
[20:25] <SamB> the trouble with that is that it doesn't list plugin versions :-)
[20:25] <wgz> but `bzr help commands` will tell you what multi-pull comes from so who to file the bug against
[20:25] <SamB> I got that from "bzr help multi-pull"
[20:25] <wgz> ^ah, remove the --no-plugins then
[20:26] <SamB> handy command, that
[20:26]  * SamB wonders why zsh doesn't know about it
[20:26] <SamB> hmm, didn't this used to show the paths to the plugins?
[20:27] <wgz> `bzr plugins --verbose` should.
[20:28] <SamB> I guess I could tell from the traceback if it really mattered, though
[20:28] <wgz> ^commands added just to cause a internal error aren't of general interest :)
[20:28] <SamB> you might be surprised
[20:29] <SamB> if someone is thinking "I know it shows this information when it fails", they might like a way to make it fail
[21:38] <wgz> SamB: so, did you file a bug somewhere?
[21:38] <SamB> wgz: am doing so
[21:38] <wgz> yell if you need help.
[22:39] <thomi> Hi - qbzr seems really broken in precise - I often get crashes with 'bencode' in the stack trace. I'm filing a bug about it, but I wonder if there's any additional information I can provide that might be useful.
[22:40] <wallyworld> poolie: bzr is quite borked on precise atm. i've filed one bug about bzr unshelve but bzr switch appears to have the same issue. are you guys able to look into it?
[22:41] <thomi> hi wallyworld - you too huh?
[22:42] <wallyworld> hi thomi. yeah.
[22:42] <thomi> I've got: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bug/921267
[22:42]  * wallyworld looks
[22:43] <wallyworld> thomi: is that the right bug nr?
[22:43] <thomi> yeah
[22:43] <wallyworld> it must be private
[22:43] <thomi> it's currently marked as private since there's a stack trace.... I didn't realise that meant private only to me... but that would make sense
[22:43] <wallyworld> yep
[22:44] <thomi> wallyworld: try now
[22:44] <wallyworld> when you file using apport, that's what happens
[22:45] <wallyworld> thomi: mine is a different issue- a missing ListOption attribute on a config object
[22:46] <thomi> :(
[22:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi, i just ran 'bzr revert --no-backup -r -30' instead of using -r ..30 by mistake. am i out of luck, or can i get back rev 30 somehow?
[23:49] <jelmer> Kamping_Kaiser: "bzr revert -r30" ?


[01:02] <mpt> Goooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[01:51] <Nafallo> morning mpt :-)
[01:52] <Nafallo> mpt: I was kinda hoping you might answer "Single-User Mode" on Ubuntu Desktop with your favorite term to use for the specific question in there ;-).
[01:52] <Nafallo><EMAIL_ADDRESS>that is :-)
[01:52] <mpt> Nafallo, ok
[01:52] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:53] <mpt> ah, and I was just up to that message too
[01:53] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:54] <mpt> Perhaps "Recovery Mode"
[01:54] <mpt> but I don't really know enough about what it does to be able to give a useful reply
[01:54] <Nafallo> well, I can explain that :-)
[01:55] <Nafallo> it drops you to a shell as root :-)
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62228 in rosetta "What happens to translations should be clearer" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62228
[01:55] <Nafallo> no network up, not even discs mounted :-)
[01:55] <Nafallo> just a shell to mock around and fix what's wrong
[01:56] <mpt> well, that's no fun, is it
[01:56] <mpt> Even Windows "Safe Mode" has a GUI
[01:56] <mpt> hmmm
[01:56] <Nafallo> yea, but Windows mounts your faulty disc if needed to :-P
[01:57] <Nafallo> so it's a feature for us :-)
[01:57] <Nafallo> (that's why "Safe Mode" is not an option for it btw ;-))
[01:58] <Nafallo> Safe Mode should probably do what it does on the livecd, start X with vesa-drivers :-)
[01:58] <Nafallo> but we don't have that
[02:00] <mpt> What's wrong with mounting a faulty disk?
[02:01] <Nafallo> well, if it's faulty you might want to make it work again before mounting it :-)
[02:01] <Nafallo> fsck etc...
[02:01] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: hehe, the harddrive should know ;-)
[03:33] <ajmitch> is there some way to view history for a product series? I was sure that https://launchpad.net/products/f-spot/0.1 used to point to a different cvs branch :)
[03:35] <jamesh> I got spammed via the gobby bug tracker ...
[03:36] <jamesh> http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/105
[03:40] <ajmitch> impressive, spam bots know trac now?
[03:43] <jamesh> ajmitch: they were opening and closing the bug -- I wouldn't be surprised if it was a human
[03:43] <jamesh> some of the comments seem to have been removed
[04:25] <epsilom> is there launchpad in spanish?
[04:25] <mpt> hi jamesh
[04:25] <jamesh> hi mpt
[04:25] <mpt> epsilom, Launchpad's interface is currently available only in English
[04:25] <mpt> though you can use it to translate other software into Spanish
[04:26] <epsilom> thanks
[04:26] <mpt> jamesh, you suggested I use .split('\n') and .startswith/endswith(' '), instead of a bunch of .startswith('\n ') or... statements, to detect leading/trailing lines
[04:27] <epsilom> this channel is for launchpad for kubuntu and ubuntu?
[04:27] <mpt> jamesh, but when I try that I get "AttributeError: 'POMsgID' object has no attribute 'split'"
[04:27] <mpt> I don't understand why the "in" operator works but "split" does not
[04:28] <mpt> epsilom, this channel is for Launchpad in general. If you have a question specifically about Ubuntu or Kubuntu, try #ubuntu or #kubuntu respectively.
[04:28] <jamesh> mpt: split() is a method of string objects.  "for x in foo:" just requires that "foo" implement the iterator protocol
[04:28] <mpt> ok
[04:29] <epsilom> ok
[04:35] <mpt> jamesh, does https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileuajrAM.html look reasonable to you?
[04:36] <mpt> I worked out the problem was that it needed to be msgid.msgid.split(), not msgid.split()
[04:37] <jamesh> mpt: maybe using splitlines would be appropriate here
[04:37] <jamesh> >>> 'a\nb\r\nc\rd'.splitlines()
[04:37] <jamesh> ['a', 'b', 'c', 'd']
[04:38] <mpt> neat, thanks jamesh
[07:22] <fabbione> hey guys is the DB or LP down?
[07:22] <fabbione> i can't save info on bugs
[07:22] <fabbione> keep getting Timeout Error
[07:22] <fabbione> OOPS-268A232
[07:22] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/268A232
[07:24] <crimsun> yeah, I just got OOPS-268C224 and OOPS-268D244
[07:24] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/268C224
[07:24] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/268D244
[07:26] <stu1> fabbione: Give it another 10 mins - there is some maintenance work going on that look like it is affecting you.
[07:26] <fabbione> ok
[07:27] <fabbione> i find it embarassing since i was pointing a kernel guru to it to help us on something :/
[07:28] <stu1> Sorry. This should really be done in downtime it looks like. I'm trying to avoid large downtime windows :-(
[07:28] <fabbione> stu1: ok, but did you announce it on IRC the usual way?
[07:28] <fabbione> that would have been enough
[07:29] <stu1> No - I was hoping it wouldn't be noticeable.
[07:30] <stu1> It was going fine until... erm... 20 mins ago I suspect.
[07:31] <stu1> fabbione: Should be back to normal now.
[07:32] <fabbione> thanks
[07:33] <jamesh> what were you updating?
[07:33] <fabbione> a bug
[07:33] <fabbione> oh nevermind
[07:33] <fabbione> i guess that was for stu1?
[07:33] <jamesh> (was directed at stub)
[07:35] <stub> jamesh: Rebuilding indexes - generally pretty fast except for the full text indexes. Unfortunately, I suspect they are the most bloated :-(
[09:03] <SteveA> morning
[09:18] <carlos> morning
[09:20] <jamesh> SteveA: I put my branch that reworks some of the url handling up as work-in-progress
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62213 in ubiquity "Installer crashed - Ubuntu dapper live CD" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62213
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62221 in ubiquity "installation ubuntu crashed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62221
[09:22] <jamesh> SteveA: it implements the "generic URI" processing as defined in the RFC.
[09:23] <jamesh> I did up a simple "UriField" type that uses it, which makes it pretty easy to validate the URIs entered into various fields
[09:26] <SteveA> sounds good
[09:26] <SteveA> we should have a naming convention for acronyms like this
[09:26] <SteveA> hsould it be URIField or UriField?
[09:27] <SteveA> should the class be URL or URI or Url or Uri?
[09:27] <lifeless> I prefer acronyms in caps
[09:27] <lifeless> even though it is inconstent with the general guidelines
[09:28] <jamesh> I usually go for inital cap only -- it avoids all sorts of naming conflicts
[09:29] <jamesh> "URI" could be the name of a constant
[09:30] <SteveA> UoRoIo
[09:30] <jamesh> as for URI vs. URL, these days URL's are defined as the subset of URI's that can be used to locate/access a resource
[09:31] <SteveA> I think it is useful to have a URL class
[09:31] <jamesh> XML namespace names are examples of URIs: they are just used as identifiers rather than to look up a resource
[09:31] <SteveA> it can make code clearer if you're saying that the code is dealing with a URL
[09:31] <SteveA> and it is what many web app programmers will look for
[09:32] <SteveA> so, maybe class URL(URI)
[09:33] <SteveA> I think I prefer all-caps for readability.  What I mean is, I never see "Url" written anywhere.  It looks like someone's name.  Particularly "Uri", which is someone's name.
[09:33] <SteveA> So, if I'm scanning code for "URI", I'll miss "Uri"
[09:33] <SteveA> and when I read "Uri", I don't think "oh, universal resource identifier"
[09:34] <SteveA> in the same way I do when I read URI
[09:34] <jamesh> fair enough.
[09:34] <SteveA> You make a good point about the "clash with the constant"
[09:35] <SteveA> I don't think it will happen all that often, though
[09:36] <jamesh> I included a find_uris_in_text() helper function in the module too, which will iterate through the URIs in a block of text
[09:36] <jamesh> should be useful for cleaning up IBugWatchSet.fromText()
[09:36] <jamesh> and similar.
[09:42] <jamesh> ignoring from the naming issues for a second, the UriField() lets you specify which schemes are acceptable, and to disallow userinfo, query and fragment parts
[09:42] <jamesh> disabling userinfo is a good idea for product home pages, to prevent e.g<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:43] <jamesh> and we can disallow query and fragment parts for Bazaar branch URLs
[10:23] <SteveA> jamesh: I just read through the URI/URL diff.  I like it.  What do you think about doing an OO version of urljoin?
[10:23] <jamesh> SteveA: there are resolve() and append() methods for that
[10:24] <SteveA> ok
[10:24] <jamesh> e.g. Uri('http://www.gnome.org/start/2.16/').resolve('/about') == Uri('http://www.gnome.org/about')
[10:24] <SteveA> so, I can use resolve to get a new Uri instance.
[10:24] <jamesh> append() acts like our urlappend() helper function
[10:24] <sivang> morning
[10:24] <SteveA> and resolve ('..') to cut a path segment from the end
[10:25] <jamesh> yep
[10:25] <SteveA> if I want to have all my URLs ending in slashes, is there a way to do that?
[10:25] <jamesh> there is a replace() method too, which can be used to replace particular components
[10:25] <SteveA> well, I mean, all the URLs I'm processing in some block
[10:26] <jamesh> with the current methods, you'd need to do something like this:
[10:26] <jamesh> if not uri.path.endswith('/'): uri = uri.replace(path=uri.path + '/')
[10:27] <SteveA> I think I'd find methods .slashAtEnd() and .noSlashAtEnd() useful
[10:27] <SteveA> they'd return a new URI
[10:27] <SteveA> or maybe the same one, if the URI matches
[10:27] <SteveA> are URIs notionally immutable?
[10:27] <jamesh> yeah
[10:28] <SteveA> ok, great
[10:28] <jamesh> uri.replace() returns self if called with no arguments, for instance
[10:28] <jamesh> I'm thinking of removing the normalisation from the constructor though.
[10:28] <jamesh> The Java URI class has it separate, and it might be useful to not normalise sometimes
[10:31] <jamesh> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/net/URI.html <- the Java class docs
[10:33] <SteveA> one use I have for the menus/facets system is to have a URL without the host section
[10:33] <SteveA> the host section will be taken either from the current request's host
[10:33] <SteveA> or from the configuration for that particular menu item
[10:33] <SteveA> depending on the nature of the menu item
[10:33] <SteveA> I suppose that's easy enough
[10:34] <jamesh> so they are relative URIs?
[10:34] <SteveA> we may want to make the Launchpad Request object know its 'launchpad style' URL
[10:34] <SteveA> so we can use that easily in code
[10:34] <SteveA> they are sometimes relative URLs, sometimes absolute
[10:35] <SteveA> sometimes they are relative URLs, but not the usual kind of relative URL
[10:35] <SteveA> so, for a usual kind of relative URL, you append to the URL, then canonicalize it
[10:35] <SteveA> so URL + "../foo"
[10:35] <SteveA> we have another kind, where we might take a url and change its host
[10:36] <SteveA> or change its host, and the thing at the end
[10:36] <jamesh> well "/foo" is also a relative URI (that replaces the path component entirely)
[10:36] <SteveA> for example, https://launchpad.net/foo/bar/baz -> https://features.launchpad.net/foo/bar
[10:37] <SteveA> or, for a more simple case
[10:37] <SteveA> for example, https://launchpad.net/foo/bar/baz -> https://features.launchpad.net/foo/bar/baz
[10:37] <SteveA> another use for the URL stuff is to make the URLs defined in our config files always URL instances.
[10:38] <SteveA> that way, we'll get rid of some of the assumptions that certain code makes about whether the URLs should be given with or without trailing slashes
[11:00] <danilos> jordi: hey, now, apart from KDE article response, we need to do a Gnome response article as well ;)
[11:09] <carlos> jordi: dude, isn't it yet done?...
[11:20] <ddaa> SteveA: lifeless: jamesh: spiv: meeting in 40 mins
[11:21] <SteveA> thanks ddaa
[11:21] <ddaa> mpool does not appear online though...
[11:22] <SteveA> I'll be away for 30 mins
[11:30] <jordi> carlos: it is
[11:31] <jordi> carlos: I have no access to my home box now though, wireless is down again apparently
[11:31] <jordi> danilos: I saw that. :)
[11:31] <carlos> ok, send it for review when you are back at home
[11:31] <carlos> jordi: pretty please... :-D
[11:31] <jordi> danilos: still, it's the same guy we answered in rosett-ausers already
[11:32] <jordi> carlos: once my sight is back in place, yeah :)
[11:32] <danilos> jordi: yeah, I know, but the biggest complainer is Benoit
[11:33] <jordi> I mean, many of their concerns are real problems, but we've answered them already.
[11:33] <jordi> danilos: essential docs will need a section on this
[11:33] <danilos> jordi: definitely, much work to do on that front
[11:33] <carlos> in fact
[11:33] <jordi> the "upstream diff" filter would really help.
[11:34] <carlos> the problem with the credit removals is more related with our teams
[11:34] <carlos> due a bug in our side (single line for the credit list)
[11:34] <jordi> yeah
[11:34] <carlos> I have already fixed in my TranslationReview branch
[11:34] <carlos> all entries are textareas
[11:34] <carlos> now
[11:36] <carlos> the 'funny' thing is that they assume that we change that credit entry by default... and it's just one team who did it (or a couple of them)
[11:37] <carlos> anyway.... we need to fix this kind of issue once per all...
[11:39] <Kream> anyone happen to know how I can translate ubiquity-frontend-kde and -gtk?
[11:39] <danilos> carlos: and we need to document all this! and point people complaining there!
[11:41] <carlos> Kream: you should translate debian-installer
[11:41] <carlos> Kream: it includes ubiquity's strings
[11:41] <Kream> thanks, carlos :)
[11:41] <carlos> Kream: you are welcome
[11:41] <danilos> and it's especially strange for me since people on gnome-i18n are waiting for GTP spokespersons to say what they have, and now I have to discuss things from both POVs
[11:42] <carlos> danilos: menthos already answered (in a good way)
[11:42] <danilos> carlos: yeah, but I probably have more info on both views on the problem ;)
[11:43] <carlos> danilos: I think you should not answer that thread unless someone asks you directly
[11:43] <carlos> because you are in a bad situation ;-)
[11:43] <carlos> oh, well, if you think you can give an answer
[11:43] <danilos> carlos: yeah, probably, but I feel like I am not doing my thing as GTP if I don't, so it really, really sucks :(
[11:43] <carlos> that doesn't breaks your GTP position or Rosetta one, that's fine for me (I mean with any other email that follows yours)
[11:44] <carlos> danilos: then go ahead, what I mean is that don't feel that you need to answer that thread if you really don't want to, jordi and I could handle it
[11:44] <carlos> if you feel confident answering it, go ahead
[11:45] <carlos> well, confident is not the right term... perhaps ... if you feel 'happy'
[11:46] <carlos> anyway, jordi, would be possible to have your KDE answer ready this afternoon in a wiki page and as a general answer so we can point GNOME's thread to it?
[11:46] <jordi> yes
[11:47] <jordi> I mean, it's a matter of pasting it once I have access to it
[11:47] <carlos> danilos: Should I leave it in your hands then?
[11:47] <danilos> carlos: sure, I am fine with that
[11:48] <carlos> ok, thanks
[12:09] <SteveA> _thumper_: if you're interested, there's a bzr-launchpad-coordination meeting in progress on #launchpad-meeting
[12:10] <_thumper_> SteveA, cheers
[12:19] <lifeless> review emeting in 40 minutes
[12:20] <lifeless> spiv: and you have a late! branch
[12:20] <spiv> lifeless: I know :(
[12:20] <spiv> lifeless: It's half-done, it will be done tonight.
[12:21] <spiv> (although not quite in time for the meeting...)
[12:23] <Mithrandir> any launchpad admins about?  I need to freeze edgy.
[12:24] <lifeless> yes
[12:24] <lifeless> tell me where to go
[12:25] <Mithrandir> probably somewhere around launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy
[12:26] <Mithrandir> but it's not exposed in the UI if you can't freeze it, AFAIK, so I don't know.
[12:26] <Mithrandir> that is, I can't change the status, since it seems to require LP admin powers.
[12:27] <lifeless> what does 'freeze' translate to ? disable all buildds ?
[12:27] <lifeless> release status -> pre-release-freeze ?
[12:27] <Mithrandir> sounds correct, yes.
[12:28] <Mithrandir> it doesn't disable the buildds, no.  It makes all uploads to main have to go through by-hand approval
[12:28] <lifeless> ok, I have no idea if its just a toggle switch. Blame be on your head :)
[12:28] <lifeless> done
[12:28] <Mithrandir> seems frozen now, thanks.
[12:52] <lifeless> meeting in 8 minutes
[12:52] <lifeless> ^ reviewer^
[12:56] <lifeless> meeting in 3
[01:00] <lifeless> reviewer meeting time
[01:00] <lifeless> == Agenda ==
[01:00] <lifeless>  * Roll call
[01:00] <lifeless>  * Queue status.
[01:00] <lifeless> == Roll call ==
[01:00] <lifeless> I am here
[01:01] <BjornT> here
[01:01] <spiv> here
[01:01] <jamesh> here
[01:02] <lifeless> == Queue status ==
[01:02] <lifeless> 5 open reviews, all but one are under 2 days - excellent condition. spiv has one at 10 days - whats up there?
[01:02] <spiv> lifeless: I suck.
[01:02] <spiv> I'm doing it right now.
[01:03] <lifeless> was the cause something we can try to prevent ?
[01:04] <spiv> I don't think so.  I forgot to check my review daily, but I've got the relevant tab open in my browser now, and that should be enough to remind me each morning.
[01:05] <lifeless> ok
[01:05] <lifeless> Any other business ?
[01:05] <lifeless> 5
[01:06] <lifeless> 4
[01:06] <lifeless> 3
[01:06] <lifeless> 2
[01:06] <lifeless> 1
[01:07] <lifeless> thanks for coming, see you on the 2nd
[01:07] <SteveA> I was here
[01:07] <SteveA> in spirit, anyway
[01:10] <lifeless> SteveA: heh, its already been minuted ;)
[01:10] <lifeless> gnight all :)
[01:10] <spiv> lifeless: g'night
[01:11] <spiv> lifeless: I have some smart HTTP client stuff working, btw.
[01:27] <cprov> good morning, guys
[01:30] <carlos> cprov: morning dude!
[01:31] <carlos> cprov: did you talk with Ian this weekend?
[01:32] <cprov> carlos: yes, I did
[01:32] <carlos> cprov: ok, then you are aware of the broken links at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dpkg , right?
[01:32] <cprov> carlos: yes, bug #60440
[01:32] <carlos> ok
[01:34] <cprov> carlos: but thanks for remember me. Did you have time to think about how to fix i-f-p ?
[01:35] <carlos> Well, I have already another script that calls that code
[01:35] <carlos> to do the incremental copy
[01:35] <carlos> so I guess is just a matter of fixing tests and update some comments there
[01:35] <carlos> so we can stop using i-f-p
[01:36] <cprov> carlos: great ! I'll work on the soyuz part today. Do you have any ETA for landing it in RF ?
[01:37] <carlos> cprov: how urgent is that?
[01:37] <carlos> I guess it's a matter of having it done before Edgy + 1 opening
[01:37] <carlos> but I don't remember when are we supposed to do it
[01:37] <cprov> carlos: distro-team will be blocked on it for edgy+1
[01:38] <carlos> anyway, it should be quite fast
[01:38] <carlos> I will try to handle it this week
[01:38] <cprov> carlos: I don't remeber dates too, but yes, it should be soon (few weeks ?)
[01:38] <carlos> it shouldn't conflict with your work as it will mean one code line removal from soyuz code
[01:38] <cprov> carlos: great dude ! thank you
[01:38] <carlos> np
[01:39] <SteveA> jamesh: ping, around still?
[01:46] <jamesh> SteveA: yeah
[01:47] <SteveA> jamesh: couple of things
[01:47] <SteveA> first, ddaa will mail you about asking you to help update some of our code to work with bzr 0.11
[01:47] <SteveA> do you have space on your todo list for this?
[01:47] <jamesh> okay
[01:48] <jamesh> I've got a few other things, but should be able to fit that in
[01:48] <SteveA> second, I want to find out what our svn bindings need to do.  would you take a look and see how much of an API to subversion we need, so we can evaluate what we should do about fixing bindings or whatever?
[01:48] <jamesh> will need to start on the scheduler changes Mark mentioned in London some time soon
[01:48] <SteveA> the second thing isn't an urgent thing at all
[01:49] <jamesh> okay
[01:49] <SteveA> but will be helpful for planning maintenance of supermirror stuff
[01:50] <SteveA> _thumper_: for this meeting in London, will you commute into Earls Court from your home?
[01:51] <_thumper_> SteveA: yes
[01:52] <SteveA> ok, great
[02:05] <SteveA> ddaa: please confirm with clan your arrival and departure dates, for accommodation
[02:08] <ddaa> SteveA: sent
[02:08] <SteveA> ta
[02:42] <xerxas> hi
[02:43] <xerxas> there a launchpad admin here ?
[02:43] <xerxas> can I remove a branch ?
[02:43] <xerxas> i uploaded 2 times the same branch
[02:43] <xerxas> for the same package
[02:44] <xerxas> https://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+branch/pymsn/ubuntu and https://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+branch/telepathy-butterfly/ubuntu or pretty much the same stuff
[02:44] <xerxas> they are both telepathy-btterfly , instead of one being pymsn
[02:48] <elmo> salgado: ping
[02:48] <salgado> elmo, pong
[02:49] <elmo> salgado: the mirror checker appears to be on some bad crack - it's claiming france telecom is a week behind.  I can't figure out why (the mirror checker thinks so), but it's definitely not
[02:49] <elmo> salgado: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+mirror/oleane-ubuntu-packages  <- that specifically
[02:57] <salgado> elmo, it looks like some files (i.e. http://ftp.oleane.net/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-typeaheadfind_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0.6.06_powerpc.deb) were not mirrored when the prober ran, and the last published package on one of the pockets that files were missing seems to be from one week ago, causing the status of one or more pockets to be one week behind, thus making us use it as the status for the mirror itself
[02:58] <salgado> this problem should be alleviated once we start running the prober multiple times a day
[03:00] <elmo> salgado: hmm
[03:01] <elmo> salgado: could you have the mirror prober log file include the date + time it ran?
[03:02] <salgado> elmo, sure, that should be trivial. can you file a bug so I don't forget it?
[03:05] <elmo> salgado: and the fundamental problem doesn't seem to be that we're not running the prober multiple times a day, but that the granularity of the check for dapper is way off?
[03:05] <elmo> in that I think it really means "missing files from today" rather than "out of date by a week"?
[03:06] <elmo> anyway, I'll file some bugs
[03:06] <salgado> elmo, well, if the only file I found there is from one week ago, all I can tell for sure is that it was updated one week ago
[03:07] <elmo> salgado: yeah, but that's clearly not true in this case, _edgy_ is up-to-date
[03:07] <elmo> doing this kind of check on dapper doesn't make much sense to me
[03:07] <elmo> not to this level of fascism
[03:10] <salgado> elmo, so, let's assume last edgy published package is from 6 hours ago, and that file is already mirrored, causing edgy to have a status of up to date. should the status for dapper be 6 hours behind or up to date, even though the last published package in dapper hasn't been mirrored yet?
[03:14] <elmo> salgado: sorry, phone bbiab
[03:18] <carlos> later!
[03:18] <lucasvo> hasn't there been a "Bounties" section in launchpad?
[03:35] <doko_>  carlos: when do you expect the openoffice.org 2.0.4~rc2-1ubuntu6 translations be imported in rosetta?
[03:55] <carlos> doko_: well, the system is still importing its .po files
[03:55] <carlos> doko_: the help ones take near 20 minutes to complete...
[03:58] <carlos> doko_: seems like there are around 850 entries pending to be imported
[03:58] <carlos> so let's say that I don't think it will be ready today...
[04:47] <jamesh> ddaa: I added some notes to bug 39015: I think we can implement it with current Bazaar without putting excessive load on the webapp
[04:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39015 in launchpad-bazaar "redirect from branch/.bzr" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39015
[04:49] <bradb> matsubara: Re: the "bounty" tag suggestion, fwiw, if you have to ask "it'll come back someday, won't it?" in the tag description, we don't need the tag, IMHO. :P
[04:51] <matsubara> bradb: well, the point is, if it'll come back, it's better to group those bugs, if it won't then it doesn't matter and I can reject the bugs.
[04:52] <SteveA> it will come back, in a somewhat different form.  I think it's good to retain the information that it is a bounty-system related bug.
[04:53] <SteveA> but I think we shouldn't have a keyword that may be confused with "there is a bounty offered to fix this bug"
[04:53] <SteveA> which is what most people would expect "bounty" to mean
[04:55] <bradb> yeah, perhaps
[04:55] <matsubara> good point SteveA. bounty-system sounds like a good tag.
[05:03] <SteveA> matsubara: will kiko be around today?
[05:04] <matsubara> SteveA: I think so. Want me to call him?
[05:06] <SteveA> I just tried, but thanks
[05:08] <stub> bradb: Are you using staging for testing that branch still?
[05:13] <bradb> stub: yeah
[05:13] <stub> ok
[05:58] <kiko-zzz> yawn
[06:13] <jordi> carlos, danilo[bbl] : ping
[06:13] <carlos> jordi: pong
[06:14] <jordi> apparently, my pupils are back into normal operation
[06:14] <carlos> jordi: you had that bug again?
[06:14] <jordi> carlos: nope, I had blurry vision all day because I had my pupils dilated
[06:14] <jordi> I had my retina checked out at the hospital
[06:14] <carlos> jordi: drugs?
[06:14] <carlos> :-P
[06:15] <jordi> I've been werairng sunglasses inside the buildings all day :)
[06:15] <jordi> carlos: heh
[06:15] <jordi> I wish ;=
[06:15] <jordi> :)
[06:15] <jordi> https://launchpad.canonical.com/RosettaKdeCollaboration
[06:15] <jordi> vision still gets tired when I look at the monitor for a few minutes
[06:15] <jordi> too bright, I guess
[06:20] <carlos> jordi: give them more time..
[06:20] <jordi> I wanted to post this at least
[06:20] <carlos> yeah
[06:21] <jordi> besides, an addict like me may fall in the trap and have more drugs, and we'd be at the beginning again
[06:21] <carlos> :-P
[06:23] <elmo> ok, SERIOUSLY
[06:25] <elmo> in malone: click on "add a comment", start writing a comment, realise you want to change the status, click the affects / +editstatus link, make changes, click "save changes".  notice how your carefully typed comment has been EATEN
[06:25] <elmo> is that a known bug?
[06:26] <flacoste> elmo: it is
[06:26] <elmo> ok
[06:29] <flacoste> elmo: bug #57607
[06:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57607 in mdadm "Root on raid fails to boot" [Untriaged,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57607
[06:29] <flacoste> elmo: oops, wrong number, it's bug #57715
[06:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57715 in malone "Lost comments on bug #57607" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57715
[08:11] <kiko-fud> salgado, I fixed the conflict and repushed fwiw
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62335 in soyuz "should be able to reset builds in chroot "problem" state" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62335
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62344 in launchpad "Code to create Person entries should be moved outside of MessageSet.fromEmail()" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62344
[11:29] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[11:43] <kiko> hey mpt
[11:43] <kiko> I was looking at your fix for bug 46 or so
[11:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46 in rosetta ""special symbols" when people copy-paste text from original to translation" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46
[11:44] <kiko> mpt, are the quotes around the icons actually useful?
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62357 in malone "Display more info in attachment links" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62357
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62358 in rosetta "Identify packages that need review on Rosetta" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62358
[11:47] <mpt> kiko, it makes the page slightly more understandable if you have images turned off
[11:48] <kiko> mpt, why don't you put the quotes in the alt text though?
[11:48] <mpt> hmm
[11:49] <kiko> I mean, if it's only for non-image rendering..
[11:49] <mpt> that might work
[11:49] <mpt> ok, I'll do that
[11:51] <kiko> mpt, cool!
[11:51] <kiko> mpt, btw, what happens when somebody cut-n-pastes that image?
[11:52] <mpt> In Gecko or KHTML/Webkit, they get the alt= text
[11:52] <mpt> In other browsers, they get nothing
[11:52] <mpt> So the alt text for the newline character is ""
[11:53] <mpt> and the space character is actually a background image for a real space character.
[11:53] <kiko> mpt, does that work well?
[11:54] <mpt> yes
[11:54] <mpt> It works in Gecko, KHTML/Webkit, Trident, Presto
[11:54] <kiko> cool then.