[08:12] <eetfunk> anyone else is  having problem when having mod_python and php enabled on Apache?  I get a blank page for my django app when php is loaded, even if I do 'php_admin_flag engine off' on my vhost.  How to fix this?
[08:12] <jason> manuelchat3000: it works ok-so-so , Try it out and see what you think
[08:12] <harisund> total_meltdown: I can mess around with iptables rules... but would prefer somthing graphical to start with
[08:12] <total_meltdown> harisund: Have you been able to get Forwarding working yet? I need a reverse-wireless router so I can have boxes other than my laptop online...
[08:12] <jason> harisund: google for "firestarter
[08:13] <roler> thanks anyways...
[08:13] <harisund> jason: yes, I have installed firestarter. It doesn't recognize my DHCP server.
[08:13] <Flannel> harisund: so, they were removed because they don't have a current maintainer, no technical reason
[08:13] <harisund> jason: I have trid all kinds of DHCP servers, dhcpd3-server, udhcpd, dnsmasq ... firestarter simply refuses to start any DHCP server whatsoever :(
[08:14] <total_meltdown> harrisund: Have you gotten packet forwarding working yet? Are the computers connected to your router online? I can't figure out how to configure the iptables...
[08:14] <harisund> Flannel: Glad to hear that ... so there's no problem with the package as such .. I was just worried using Webmin would break some other Debian/Ubuntu package and so it was removd ...
[08:14] <eetfunk> i kind of found the answer to my question, but since i installed php4 with apt-get,  don't know what to do: http://www.modpython.org/pipermail/mod_python/2005-March/017618.html
[08:14] <manuelchat3000> ok-so-so seems to be better than my  bad-painful-not usable- at all. I`ll check it out. Thanks
[08:14] <jason> harisund: and thats how you connect to the internet..???  what kind of a setup is that anyhow.?
[08:14] <mayor> Hello newbie here, needs help
[08:14] <Flannel> harisund: there are a bunch of howtos on how to install it as well, google, or search the forums, etc.  I don't believe there's a wiki page.
[08:15] <wastrel> just ask
[08:15] <mayor> is there some kind of image of the ubuntu live disk that is set up in an ubuntu installation?
[08:15] <total_meltdown> mayor: What be the question?
[08:15] <mayor> that I could just burn?
[08:15] <harisund> jason what? I didn't get you?  I am just doing the whole thing for fun ..
[08:16] <mayor> I don't currently have a copy of the live cd that I can find
[08:16] <total_meltdown> mayor: Yeah - any 'ole Ubuntu disk will boot as a live OS
[08:17] <Flannel> mayor: nope.  You'll either have to physically move the HD, or download a new one
[08:17] <jason> harisund: so firestarter just dosen't see your "home" server..?
[08:17] <mayor> OK, well thanks
[08:17] <mayor> nice to have a real answer even if it's not the one I want
[08:17] <total_meltdown> :)
[08:17] <total_meltdown> That's what we're here for
[08:17] <mayor> still new, but beginning to learn to love ubuntu
[08:18] <mayor> thx again
[08:18] <mayor> and bye
[08:18] <harisund> jason: Here's what I have. eth0 connected to ISP (cable modem). DHCP. All good. eth1 is local, goes to a switch, from where my room mates and my other computers connect.
[08:18] <harisund> jason: I have a DHCP server running on eth1. I can tell Firestarter eth0 is my internet interface, and eth1 is my local interface, and do "internet connection sharing"
[08:19] <zoidberg> guys i have a question
[08:19] <jason> harisund: so your going through a router then..? , That sounds like the trouble..
[08:19] <zoidberg> if you have s-video out on your computer...how do you share desktop to the s-vdieo device?
[08:19] <harisund> jason: basicaly I am trying to NAT with my Linux box. Currently in place of my Linux box there is a router, because the Linux box is not yet working as a router. Once the linux box is configured, I will remove the router.
[08:20] <zoidberg> if you have s-video out on your computer...how do you share desktop to the s-vdieo device???
[08:20] <harisund> jason: at any given point of time I either have the router doing the NAT or the Linux box doing the NAT. Not both.
[08:20] <manuelchat3000> Neo8750: unfortunately your tip doesn`t work, but it was cool though
[08:20] <Neo8750> zoidberg: google s-video and linux
[08:20] <Neo8750> sorry to hear that manuelchat3000
[08:20] <jason> harisund: sounds like a plan...   What OS are you using for the new router..?
[08:21] <jordan54376890> I tried installing the SMP kernel through apt, restarted, uname -r still states 2.6.15-26-386
[08:21] <harisund> jason: well.. I am using Ubuntu since I hvae plenty of other servers running on it. (proftpd, apache2, samba, gnump3d to name a few)
[08:21] <harisund> oh and SSH of course.
[08:21] <Neo8750> jordan54376890: do a 'uname -a'
[08:21] <jordan54376890> \nick jordan
[08:21] <harisund> jordan54376890: wrong slash.
[08:21] <Flannel> jordan54376890: you're using dapper?
[08:22] <jason> harisund: well i don't ( or didn't ) think ubuntu could/can do that routing stuff , Maybe switch to something else...?
[08:22] <jordan54376890> oops :)
[08:22] <iceman24k> can anyone tell me how to get rid of the nasty brown Ubuntu icon in gnome menu bar /
[08:23] <harisund> jason: nah .. Ubuntu can do it .. iptables is running just fine. I can take the pain to configure NAT using iptables rules over the command line .. .. just thought having a GUI like Firestarter would be handy .. guess I can use the command line .
[08:23] <jordan54376890> $ uname -a
[08:23] <jordan54376890> Linux jordan-laptop 2.6.15-26-386 #1 PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 02:52:00 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:23] <jordan54376890> Flannel, yes
[08:23] <harisund> jason: UBuntu's kernel comes with iptables configured. So it's not a big deal.
[08:23] <thephunkizm> !easysource
[08:23] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:24] <Flannel> jordan54376890: dapper has all kernels as SMP
[08:24] <wastrel> iceman24k:  gnome icon theme can change that
[08:24] <jason> harisund: firestarter has a gui.. , You knew that right..?
[08:24] <Flannel> firestarter IS the gui
[08:24] <iceman24k> wastrel wheres that icon located ?
[08:24] <jordan54376890> Flannel, I didn't know that.
[08:24] <harisund> jason: firestarter is the GUI. Right. Just that it doesn't recognize that I have a working DHCP server installed.
[08:25] <jason> harisund: OH oK then, i dunno..?
[08:25] <harisund> jason: I guess I can just ignore that and go ahead and configure a firewall and NAT.. and just let the DHCP server work in the background :D
[08:25] <wastrel> iceman24k:  dunno offhand.
[08:25] <harisund> jason: thanks .. no problem.. I am not complaining or anything.. just wanted to know if anyone here has attempted to configure their Ubuntu for NAT...
[08:25] <jordan54376890> The processor load applet only shows one graph, shouldn't it show two?
[08:25] <Neo8750> jordan54376890: do a apt-cache smp
[08:26] <hockyhair> has anybody gotten the battery variable working in conky
[08:26] <jason> harisund: well it's not like you can get viruses huh.? or unwanted guests would be unlikely
[08:26] <jordan54376890> Neo8750, $ apt-cache smp
[08:26] <jordan54376890> E: Invalid operation smp
[08:26] <Neo8750> actually do this
[08:26] <foxiness> if i download this "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz" by hand,where should i put it ?
[08:27] <Neo8750> apt-cache search smp | grep 2.6
[08:27] <iceman24k> whats the file manager for gnome
[08:27] <Madpilot> iceman24k, Nautilus
[08:27] <Neo8750> nautalis?
[08:28] <jordan54376890> Neo8750, do you want me to pastebin that ?
[08:28] <Neo8750> sure
[08:28] <mariusz_k> hello all
[08:29] <iceman24k> where are the icons located ?
[08:29] <jordan54376890> foreward slash nick mynewname doesn't work, do I have it wrong?
[08:29] <Neo8750> depends
[08:29] <Neo8750> its /nick newnick
[08:30] <k0rd> question
[08:30] <jordan54376890> Neo8750, I did that, doesn't work for me.
[08:30] <total_meltdown> harrisund: Do the machines connected to your router have internet access? I havn't been able to set up the connections right yet
[08:30] <CromagDK> not if the nick is taken
[08:30] <CromagDK> try another
[08:30] <wastrel> the nickname "jordan" may be protected
[08:30] <k0rd> so I installed Ubuntu, and i'm on GAIM atm, anyways, i downloaded wine using the package manager, how do I run it?
[08:31] <raj>  i have a problem with otrs
[08:31] <Khamael> what package provides export?I get unknown command whenI try to "export"
[08:31] <raj> my mail r not coming to otrs
[08:31] <total_meltdown> harisund: Do the machines connected to your router have internet access? I havn't been able to set up the connections right yet
[08:31] <EnsignRedshirt> Khamael: Do you mean in a shell/terminal?
[08:32] <trogdoor> k0rd, are you trying to run a windows application? You should just be able to double click it.
[08:32] <iceman24k> that stupid default icon. where is it located ?
[08:32] <Khamael> yes
[08:32] <k0rd> how do i run wine
[08:32] <k0rd> after i download it using the packet manager
[08:32] <CromagDK> k0rd: or its wine .wine/path/to/windows/app
[08:32] <k0rd> ?
[08:32] <wastrel> Khamael:  export is a bash shell builtin - are you using csh or something?
[08:32] <CromagDK> in the console
[08:32] <EnsignRedshirt> I believe export is part of the shell--it is a shell command.
[08:32] <trogdoor> k0rd, type wine in the terminal.
[08:32] <Khamael> wastrel: I am using fish
[08:33] <Flannel> Khamael: then it appears fish doesn't have an export command
[08:33] <wastrel> Khamael:  you'll need to use a different syntax
[08:33] <wastrel> iirc in csh and derivatives it's  setenv
[08:33] <Khamael> or change back to bash ;-)
[08:33] <trogdoor> k0rd, type wine in the terminal, then a space and the path to the exe you are trying to run.
[08:35] <trogdoor> How can I test to be sure both cores are being used? I tried yes > /dev/null and it used 100% of my CPU, in OS x at least it is not multithreaded so it only maxes out one core.
[08:35] <manuelchat3000> Neo8750: is not so important, was just because I hate to run wondows just for that web site. I have another little problem...about printing. I have a Xubuntu 6.06 and I have installed acroreader. I was wondering why I cannot open a print manager on acroreader that allows me to choose several configurations and tricks for my printer ( # of copies of the document included). I can choose the number of pages in Abiword or op
[08:35] <manuelchat3000> en office, but not in acroreader. I know that I could write omething like lp -#number of pages, in the command field. But How can I explain to my aunt of 76 years old to do that?? I mean, is out of ther a graphical user friendly print manager for acroreader and others pdf readers???
[08:35] <bbrazil> trogdoor: do two of them
[08:36] <CromagDK> ty for spam! :/
[08:36] <iceman24k> anyone know where the default gnome ubuntu icon is in the file system
[08:36] <trogdoor> bbrazil, I don't think you understand...
[08:36] <Neo8750> i've not used acroreader
[08:36] <Madpilot> iceman24k, you mean the one in the top left corner?
[08:37] <iceman24k> yes
[08:37] <Neo8750> i use what ever xfce4 has as defualt
[08:37] <trogdoor> bbrazil, My CPU monitor only shows one graph, not two graphs ( one for each CPU ) and it says it is using 100% with only one instance of yes > /dev/null
[08:37] <wastrel> iceman24k:  here you go  http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gnome_Custom_Menu_Icon
[08:37] <iceman24k> Madpilot thanks
[08:37] <bbrazil> trogdoor: which CPU monitor, top?
[08:38] <Neo8750> document viewer?
[08:38] <tbaur> hey
[08:38] <Madpilot> !eyecandy
[08:38] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[08:38] <Madpilot> iceman24k, last URL in the line the bot just posted above ^^^
[08:38] <Neo8750> evince
[08:38] <trogdoor> bbrazil, the gnome panel applet whatever it is, I will try top now.
[08:38] <EnsignRedshirt> manuelchat3000: I'm not sure I followed all your comments, but you might take a look at gtklp.
[08:39] <Khamael> what provides libmss? my nwn won`t start without it
[08:39] <manuelchat3000> Ok EnsignRedshirt, I`ll give a look
[08:39] <iceman24k> Madpilot whats the system tools in ubuntu
[08:39] <kendals> Which JVM package do I install?
[08:39] <wastrel> manuelchat3000:  i have exactly the same problem -gnome printing dialogs are hopelessly simplistic, and have very poor functionality.
[08:40] <kendals> I am using Opera 9.01, and I did a java test that said java 1.5 is installed.
[08:40] <Madpilot> iceman24k, not sure what you mean by system tools
[08:40] <Neo8750> wastrel: try evince?
[08:40] <kendals> Yet, when I try to use a biology site that needs a java thing, it's not working, and Opera unticks my java option, despite starting with it ticked...
[08:40] <iceman24k> Madpilot what ever that url is talking about
[08:40] <trogdoor> bbrazil, top does not seem to have any obvious sign that I am using both cores, how can I check?
[08:40] <kendals> What is my java path?
[08:41] <Madpilot> iceman24k,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy you mean?
[08:41] <jmp07C0h> hi!
[08:41] <afflux> moin
[08:41] <Neo8750> trogdoor: do a cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:41] <whazilla> mornin
[08:41] <Madpilot> iceman24k, actually, go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuickTips tip #2
[08:42] <whazilla> i was wondering why the network icon is gone from my ubuntu deskbar
[08:42] <whazilla> or how to reset the net ?
[08:42] <whazilla> currently i got no ip
[08:42] <whazilla> sorry i got a ip
[08:42] <whazilla> but am unable to connect
[08:43] <whazilla> to web or net
[08:43] <Madpilot> !enter
[08:43] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[08:43] <CromagDK> ehm ?
[08:43] <CromagDK> whazilla: you are on the net
[08:43] <CromagDK> fyi
[08:43] <trogdoor> Neo8750, should I pastebin that or is it OK to just paste it here?
[08:43] <whazilla> heh
[08:43] <EnsignRedshirt> CromagDK: He might have more than one computer.
[08:43] <whazilla> not on my ubuntu tho
[08:43] <Neo8750> pastebin
[08:44] <whazilla> what must i paste ?
[08:44] <whazilla> ifconfig ?
[08:44] <whazilla> i can't connect remember
[08:44] <CromagDK> didnt say anywhere :)
[08:44] <trogdoor> !pastebin ( I forgot the ubuntu IRC specific one )
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebin ( I forgot the ubuntu IRC specific one ) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:45] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[08:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:45] <AndreasL> is there any way to let one user on a computer have another time/time zone then the other users?
[08:45] <trogdoor> !pastebin
[08:45] <holycow> lol
[08:45] <holycow> edgy INSISTS on removing xchat on a daily update
[08:45] <holycow> hillarious
[08:45] <Neo8750> holycow: and your complaing? =)
[08:46] <holycow> what kind of stupid question is that?
[08:46] <Madpilot> holycow, file a bug. Lots, in fact...
[08:46] <holycow> xchat roxors your boxors :)
[08:46] <kendals> nm guys- got it- java path was /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/lib/i386
[08:46] <Neo8750> pffft irssi > xchat hands down
[08:46] <AndreasL> xchat < irrsi
[08:46] <manuelchat3000> wastrel: thanks to EnsignRedshirt I solved the problem in few seconds. sudo apt-get install gtklp,and then just allow your pdf viewer to use it. Is amazing...
[08:46] <kendals> Neo8750 - Opera 9 > irrsi :)
[08:46] <holycow> Madpilot, indeed :) ... although Neo8750 's joke is kinda funny :)
[08:46] <Hentai_jeff> xhat>all
[08:47] <AndreasL> irssi < Opera 9
[08:47] <Madpilot> holycow, yes, claiming irrsi is better than xchat is amusing ;)
[08:47] <kendals> thanks andrea :P
[08:47] <Neo8750> ha!
[08:47] <holycow> :) hehe
[08:47] <kendals> irrsi is so ugly!
[08:47] <kendals> *shudders*
[08:47] <wastrel> manuelchat3000:  thanks for the tip
[08:47] <manuelchat3000> Thanks EnsignRedshirt, that was really good shot
[08:47] <Neo8750> its console how can you say console is ugly
[08:47] <Neo8750> console/terminal being interchangable atm
[08:47] <EnsignRedshirt> manuelchat3000: No problem.
[08:47] <kendals> i hate console?
[08:47] <kendals> ;)
[08:48] <trogdoor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23425
[08:48] <kendals> either way, Opera 9's built-in IRC is so handy, and so easy.
[08:48] <manuelchat3000> you welcome wastrel
[08:48] <Hentai_jeff> console is your maker
[08:48] <kendals> and i get pretty smilie faces- what more could i want?;)
[08:48] <iceman24k> Madpilot dont see a list of where the icon is ?
[08:48] <Neo8750> i never knew opera had irc in it
[08:48] <zoidberg> hey guys how do you install .TGZ files?
[08:48] <wastrel> omg gtklp is the best thing ever
[08:48] <kendals> yeah, opera 9 has it :)
[08:48] <Hentai_jeff> google it
[08:48] <kendals> neo8570: i'll print screen for ya
[08:48] <Madpilot> iceman24k, I gave you the URL - it's Tip #2 on that page
[08:48] <wastrel> !rtfm
[08:48] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[08:48] <holycow> i used to not like xchat until this new version got that hierarchical view
[08:48] <Neo8750> zoidberg: tar zxf file
[08:49] <holycow> now i really like it
[08:49] <whazilla> how do i force eth0 for network connections ?
[08:49] <whazilla> it's got an ip
[08:49] <whazilla> i just ain't able to connect to anything
[08:49] <iceman24k> Madpilot no that chages the theme, i want just the icon alone
[08:49] <holycow> would like to have multiple scrolling windows nicely lined up tho like in mirc, but i guess i should learn python and write an extension
[08:49] <wastrel> holycow:  what's hierarchical view?
[08:49] <Madpilot> Hentai_jeff, if you're not going to be helpful, please don't spam the channel with "just google it" please...
[08:49] <whazilla> how do i force eth0 for network connections ?
[08:49] <holycow> view / layout / tree
[08:49] <whazilla> it's got an ip
[08:49] <holycow> try it
[08:49] <trogdoor> Neo8750, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23425
[08:50] <Neo8750> i'm lookin
[08:50] <Hentai_jeff> mad:actully I was making a small play at his name
[08:50] <trogdoor> Sorry.
[08:50] <Madpilot> iceman24k, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuickTips - #2 - does not touch the theme
[08:50] <Neo8750> looks like only one core
[08:50] <wastrel> whazilla:  route add default gw <ip address>  where ip address is the default gateway of the network that eth0 is on
[08:50] <trogdoor> Neo8750, I knew it :)
[08:50] <kendals> hehe
[08:50] <Hentai_jeff> espicialy cause futuramma is actully on right now
[08:51] <kendals> neo8750: http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2044/screenshotta7.png
[08:51] <Hentai_jeff> in all reality zoidburg what are you trying to install?
[08:51] <trogdoor> Neo8750, By any chance do you know how to get both cores working?
[08:51] <kendals> http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2044/screenshotta7.png - anyone know how I can make my GAIM icon in the panel transparent like the others?
[08:52] <tchung> hi
[08:52] <tchung> I am just wondering what this command does
[08:53] <kendals> which
[08:53] <tchung> gzip -d < pl-<version>.tar.gz | tar xvfB -
[08:53] <tchung> I can't find the pl directory
[08:53] <whazilla> what's the command to force eth0
[08:53] <whazilla> as primary nec
[08:53] <wastrel> whazilla:  route add default gw <ip address>   where ip address is the default gateway of the network that eth0 is on
[08:53] <orphean> tchung: that unzips pl-<version>.tar.gz then pipes it into tar which untars it
[08:54] <tchung> Is there any way to find where the directory is located now?
[08:54] <orphean> should be your CWD
[08:54] <tchung> CWD = ... sorry
[08:54] <tchung> I am a newbie
[08:54] <orphean> current working directory
[08:54] <holycow> tchung, sure use locate filename
[08:54] <trogdoor> tchung, current working directory...
[08:54] <orphean> the folder you're in
[08:54] <iceman24k> crap cant find that icon in the directory ?
[08:54] <dgibbons> Any idea why my log files are full of  localhost -- MARK --    ?
[08:55] <holycow> you might want to  update your db before you do that with sudo updatedb ... then do locate filename
[08:55] <trogdoor> tchung, whatever folder you are currently in
[08:55] <tchung> ok... I will try
[08:55] <weex> holycow: that locate is just what i've wanted to know for years
[08:55] <Madpilot> dgibbons, I'm not sure, but aren't those just timestamps?
[08:55] <EnsignRedshirt> tchung: Did the command work?  If so, you should have see a bunch a file names printed when the 'tar xvfB -' command ran.
[08:55] <holycow> 'welcome
[08:55] <EnsignRedshirt> *seen
[08:55] <PhilH> is there a reason to use that piped command instead of tar -xvzf pl-<version>.tar.gz ?
[08:55] <dgibbons> Madpilot: It's the only thing on the line, a timestamp and then -- MARK --
[08:56] <dgibbons> Just seems unsuaul.. never seen that in a log file
[08:56] <EnsignRedshirt> s/a file/of file/
[08:56] <tchung> I am just following instruction from a web page
[08:56] <wastrel> dgibbons:  it's a syslog timestamp thingy
[08:56] <PhilH> which one, just out of interest
[08:56] <orphean> tchung: try tar xvfz <file>
[08:56] <tchung> http://www.swi-prolog.org/installunix.html
[08:56] <EnsignRedshirt> tchung: Did you replace <version> with the actual version?
[08:56] <M-> dgibbons, -- MARK -- is a debian thing
[08:56] <Madpilot> dgibbons, I remember reading that they're just "yes, I'm alive at $time and there's nothing much happening otherwise" syslog stamps
[08:56] <M-> just ignore it :)
[08:57] <kendals> http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4091/screenshotul3.png - how do I make my GAIM icon transparent like the others in the top right panel area...?
[08:57] <dgibbons> Ah, that would explain my lack of familiarity with it.. Okie
[08:57] <EnsignRedshirt> tchung: E.g. pl-1.0.2.tar.gz, or something like that...
[08:57] <zoidberg> guys i just downloaded a .TGZ file
[08:57] <iceman24k> ho do you serch for a file ?
[08:58] <holycow> zoidberg, congratulations :)
[08:58] <tchung> I did, EnsignRedshirt
[08:58] <tchung> thx
[08:58] <PhilH> tar -xvzf filename.tgz
[08:58] <holycow> iceman24k, places / search
[08:58] <zoidberg> i i tarred it and now i have two folders...usr and install...how do i actually install it now?
[08:58] <swicken> hey there
[08:58] <krage> is there a way to let one user have another time zone then the rest of the users?
[08:58] <swicken> I'm having a problem, and I cannot find any information on the forums about it
[08:58] <holycow> zoidberg, you really shouldn't bypass the packaging system
[08:58] <dgibbons> Yeah, thats an enviroment variable they can set
[08:58] <holycow> zoidberg, it is strongly recommended that you only download .deb files built for ubuntu
[08:58] <PhilH> zoidberg, what's it supposed to contain?
[08:58] <swicken> Anyone here might be able to give me a hand?
[08:59] <zoidberg> a game
[08:59] <holycow> swicken, just ask
[08:59] <swicken> okies
[08:59] <PhilH> which one?
[08:59] <swicken> Well
[08:59] <zoidberg> how do i install it now
[08:59] <swicken> I downloaded the ubuntu image
[08:59] <swicken> put it on CD
[08:59] <zoidberg> foobilliard
[08:59] <swicken> and it runs fine on startup
[08:59] <tchung> how to extract a tar file? tar -x ?
[08:59] <swicken> however when I go to install ubuntu
[08:59] <holycow> zoidberg, i think thats in the repos
[08:59] <zoidberg> really
[08:59] <Madpilot> zoidberg, I'm pretty sure foobilliard is in repos
[08:59] <swicken> it loads ubuntu then goes to a blank screen
[08:59] <swicken> monitor turns off
[08:59] <holycow> zoidberg, there are at least TWO really nice 3d billiard games in the repos
[08:59] <Madpilot> !info foobilliard
[08:59] <ubotu> Package foobilliard does not exist in any distro I know
[08:59] <Madpilot> !info foobilliards
[08:59] <ubotu> Package foobilliards does not exist in any distro I know
[08:59] <Madpilot> hmm
[09:00] <dgibbons> krage: thats the TZ environment variable they can set in their shell
[09:00] <Hentai_jeff> swicken what's your system like?
[09:00] <wastrel> !info foobillard
[09:00] <ubotu> foobillard: a 3D billiards game using OpenGL. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0a-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 976 kB, installed size 1444 kB
[09:00] <trogdoor> sudo apt-get install foobillard works for me :)
[09:00] <holycow> dudes its in the repo
[09:00] <holycow> just apt get
[09:00] <PhilH> foobillard does
[09:00] <holycow> once again, PLEASE TRY NOT to bypass the packaging system until you really are ready to hose your sytem :)
[09:01] <PhilH> sudo apt-get install foobillard
[09:01] <dgibbons> !info pound
[09:01] <ubotu> pound: reverse proxy, load balancer and https front-end for web-servers. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.9.4-1 (dapper), package size 67 kB, installed size 196 kB
[09:01] <dgibbons> huh
[09:01] <holycow> i need to put up a page on the wiki explaining to noobs installations categories and where to use what an dhow
[09:01] <Hentai_jeff> swicken: it really sounds like your video drivers are fucked
[09:01] <wastrel> language
[09:01] <Hentai_jeff> what video card are you using?
[09:01] <swicken> Asus A8N-E with 3000+ 64bit
[09:01] <PhilH> wastrel, it's a technical term
[09:01] <AbortD> !restricted
[09:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:01] <Neo8750> kendals: http://home.comcast.net/~neo8750/shot1.jpg http://home.comcast.net/~neo8750/shot2.jpg
[09:01] <Madpilot> holycow, you mean 'how to use Universe' and such? check the wiki, it already exists...
[09:01] <swicken> ATI X800XT
[09:01] <trogdoor> I don't know if tchung knows what package management is, I may be wrong.
[09:01] <zoidberg> it says cant find package when i try to download foobilliards
[09:01] <swicken> 1 gig generic ram
[09:01] <Hentai_jeff> ahhhh
[09:01] <Neo8750> took me a while lol
[09:01] <swicken> 120gig sata HDD
[09:01] <Madpilot> zoidberg, enable Universe
[09:01] <PhilH> sudo apt-get install foobillard
[09:02] <swicken> pretty basic
[09:02] <PhilH> zoidberg: sudo apt-get install foobillard
[09:02] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell zoidberg about universe
[09:02] <PhilH> zoidberg, make sure you're spelling it correctly
[09:02] <dgibbons> !info nginx
[09:02] <Hentai_jeff> can you at least boot into shell?
[09:02] <ubotu> Package nginx does not exist in any distro I know
[09:02] <zoidberg> sorry
[09:02] <dgibbons> HAH!
[09:02] <zoidberg> just mispeeled it
[09:02] <kendals> http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4091/screenshotul3.png - how do I make my GAIM icon transparent like the others in the top right panel area...?
[09:02] <holycow> Madpilot, no, maybe i should paraphrase.  How to UNDERSTAND different install methodologies, and WHY a package manager like dpkg is the right way to do it and superior to anything on windows.
[09:02] <swicken> how could my video card drivers be messed?
[09:02] <zoidberg> but why is it spelled BILLARD?
[09:02] <PhilH> it's billard, not billiard
[09:02] <trogdoor> tchung, Have you ever used synaptic or apt or "add remove software" before?
[09:02] <swicken> its the install disc.
[09:02] <swicken> I havent installed any drivers
[09:02] <PhilH> because that's what the developer called it
[09:02] <holycow> also why the osx drag and drop installs don't exist on a 'free / libre / lots of free labour to make this stuff ' platform
[09:03] <holycow> zoidberg, wtf doyou care?
[09:03] <holycow> zoidberg, just install it and be done with it already :)
[09:03] <tchung> trogdoor
[09:03] <tchung> I do
[09:03] <Madpilot> holycow, if that info doesn't exist on one of the related wiki pages already, please add it :)
[09:03] <wastrel> might be worthwhile to file a bug if the name of the program is misspelled
[09:03] <tchung> I can't find prolog at the repository
[09:03] <Neo8750> kendals: get an icon with a transparent background
[09:03] <jazzrocker> hehehe, my computer is so much faster now that i reinstalled :)
[09:03] <holycow> Madpilot, i intend to. *nod*
[09:03] <tchung> the instruction is here
[09:03] <PhilH> wastrel, it isn't the program is called FooBillard
[09:04] <swicken> anyone?
[09:04] <EnsignRedshirt> zoidberg: Check out the first FAQ: http://foobillard.sunsite.dk/faq.html
[09:04] <jazzrocker> windows is still lame as ever
[09:04] <zoidberg> well my Intel onboard video card cant handle it
[09:04] <tchung> http://www.swi-prolog.org/installunix.html
[09:04] <trogdoor> tchung, do you have the univese repository enabled?
[09:04] <zoidberg> guys i have a nvidida RIVA TNT2 pro card
[09:04] <kendals> neo8750- thanks...!
[09:04] <tchung> nah...
[09:04] <kendals> :)
[09:04] <tchung> how do you do it?
[09:04] <zoidberg> i couldnt ge tit to work while installing UBUNTU so i removed it
[09:04] <Neo8750> i don't know mine is transparent
[09:04] <zoidberg> you think i can make it work now?
[09:04] <PhilH> zoidberg: when you say it didn't work? what happened?
[09:05] <swicken> le sigh
[09:05] <Neo8750> but then i am runing 2.0 beta 3.1
[09:05] <swicken> it cannot by video card drivers
[09:05] <trogdoor> tchung, In synaptic go to settings -> repositories.
[09:05] <zoidberg> while GNOME wouldnt stsart
[09:05] <swicken> unless the ubuntu install CD doesnt support ATI
[09:05] <tchung> ok
[09:05] <zoidberg> GDM woulldtn start
[09:05] <holycow> thats an old vid card, that should just work
[09:05] <PhilH> mine certainly does
[09:05] <zoidberg> it doesnt work and i've seen a lot of people having problems with it
[09:05] <holycow> zoidberg, did you get an xservver blue screen error describing why it didn't start?
[09:06] <zoidberg> yes holycow
[09:06] <trogdoor> tchung, I don't remember how it is by default, is "universe" listed there?
[09:06] <holycow> zoidberg, in that case, yeah just pull it out ... then go to command line
[09:06] <holycow> log in from command line
[09:06] <tchung> nah... it is not
[09:06] <holycow> do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the vesa driver
[09:06] <swicken> BTW: on a side note
[09:06] <swicken> I love my ISP
[09:06] <swicken> 1.4mb/sec
[09:06] <trogdoor> tchung, Ok, click on add.
[09:06] <holycow> then do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart and your done
[09:06] <swicken> bytes, not bits.
[09:06] <swicken> :P
[09:06] <holycow> zoidberg, i'm assuming you have an onboard vid card
[09:07] <PhilH> i was gonna say, 1.4 megbits per second isn't special
[09:07] <Nemoder> How do I tell what version of ubuntu I'm running?
[09:07] <tchung> yes, trogdoor
[09:07] <swicken> 1.4 megabytes is superdeeduper in my books
[09:07] <swicken> anyway
[09:07] <zoidberg> holycow ii had tried that...and yes i do have an onboard vid card....but i want to run my NVDIDA RIVA TNT card...is that possible
[09:07] <Madpilot> Nemoder, System->About Ubuntu
[09:07] <wastrel> Nemoder:  lsb_release -a
[09:07] <swicken> so does anyone have a suggestion as to something I could try?
[09:07] <holycow> zoidberg, yes
[09:07] <mabus> What's an easy command to tell how much space is being used by a folder, in a human readable format?
[09:07] <trogdoor> tchung, check the box that says universe
[09:07] <holycow> zoidberg, AFTER your in via vesa ...
[09:07] <holycow> !nvidia
[09:07] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:07] <holycow> follow those instructions
[09:07] <holycow> everything is in the repo
[09:07] <Nemoder> thanks
[09:07] <PhilH> type uname -a at a shell
[09:07] <holycow> i run dual monis via nvidia
[09:07] <Madpilot> mabus, if you want a GUI way, install baobab - very cool little addon for Nautilus
[09:08] <Neo-zZzZ> nn
[09:08] <wastrel> mabus:  df -h
[09:08] <tchung> oh... actually, universe is in the default list
[09:08] <wastrel> mabus:  er, du -sh
[09:08] <PhilH> Have any of you Guys heard of Software Freedom Day?
[09:09] <trogdoor> tchung, make sure the box for it is checked then.
[09:09] <holycow> no, but it sounds like a great idea
[09:09] <PhilH> http://www.softwarefreedomday.org
[09:09] <PhilH> for more info
[09:09] <mabus> thanks
[09:09] <tchung> should I tick the Backports as well? what is it?
[09:09] <holycow> tchung, yes
[09:09] <trogdoor> !backports
[09:09] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[09:10] <holycow> Madpilot, what is the proper spelling of that baobab thing, i can't find it
[09:10] <wastrel> baobab is in universe
[09:10] <Madpilot> holycow, 'baobab' I think
[09:10] <Madpilot> !info baobab
[09:10] <ubotu> baobab: graphical tool to analyse directory trees. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.1-1 (dapper), package size 95 kB, installed size 584 kB
[09:11] <holycow> edgys new repo dialog is terrific
[09:13] <trogdoor> tchung, Once you have what you want checked ( all of them likely ) just click the add button ( the one on the new smaller window )
[09:15] <tchung> trogdoor, so I don't need to build from source ?
[09:15] <trogdoor> tchung, No, and for most applications you never will.
[09:16] <wastrel> mmm
[09:16] <Blinker_> i'm trying to set up an ntfs partition as writable on a local machine (not across network). what exactly would I have to change in fstab/mtab to get this bugger working? =p
[09:16] <tchung> trogdoor, thanks
[09:17] <trogdoor> tchung, have you finished checking the boxes and clicking add?
[09:17] <holycow> !ntfs
[09:17] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[09:17] <holycow> Blinker_, as far as i know there is no reliable way to write to ntfs
[09:18] <holycow> not too long ago all the ntfs projects shutdown ... but recently someone mentioned there is experimental write to ntfs
[09:18] <philc> anyone know if you can install greasemonkey in camino (OSX) by just clicking the link on the greasemonkey page like regular firefox users?
[09:18] <tchung> trogdoor, yea I have selected the package and am downloading it
[09:18] <PhilH> holycow, there is but it's very new
[09:18] <trogdoor> tchung, good :)
[09:18] <holycow> i would strongly suggest that it might be unreliable so do your research ... you are taking a risk at hosing your ntfs partition
[09:18] <Blinker_> what partition type would be ideal then?
[09:18] <PhilH> using a filesystem in userspace plugin
[09:18] <KurtKraut> Blinker_, in order to write over a NTFS partition you will need to use an experimental software (but its a kind of reliable) software called ntfs-3g
[09:18] <holycow> for what ... sharing betwenn win and linux?
[09:18] <KurtKraut> Blinker_, search in ubuntuforums.org for further details
[09:18] <Blinker_> holycow, yes
[09:19] <PhilH> fat32 is a good choice
[09:19] <KurtKraut> Blinker_, It is reliable except if you move files bigger than or equal to 4gb
[09:19] <holycow> fat32 right now is okay i guess ... win my bork at it being greater than 32 gigs
[09:19] <kendals> Hey guys- I can't seem to add/find the Canon s520 printer on an XP machine on my network. But Parallels XP can find it and print to it :(
[09:19] <holycow> you can use ext3 i hear but i don't know if win has ext3 write capability, you would need to google
[09:19] <PhilH> well, i certainly wouldn't suggest using fat32 as your primary windows partition type, that would be horrible
[09:20] <PhilH> holycow, what do you think?!!!
[09:20] <Blinker_> holycow, it doesnt. tried that route first, heh
[09:20] <holycow> kendals, canons are VERY VERY POOOOORLY supported on linux
[09:20] <holycow> kendals, linuxprinting.org will tell you if its supported or not
[09:20] <swicken> I spent
[09:20] <swicken> all day today
[09:20] <Blinker_> holycow, thanks for the info - i'll give fat32 a shot
[09:20] <swicken> learning about laser printers
[09:20] <holycow> kendals, basically kiss off ever buying canon anything and have it work reliably on linux ... they are a bastard of a company
[09:20] <swicken> cause I got a job at HP tech
[09:20] <kendals> thanks holycow. i don't think it is supported :(
[09:20] <PhilH> there are proprietary drivers you can use to enable mounting of ext2/3 partitions under 2k/XP but i can't remember where from
[09:20] <swicken> my brains going to melt
[09:21] <kendals> damn- i used to love canon on my XP machine...
[09:21] <swicken> if I stick any more printer shit in it
[09:21] <kendals> i should test out my ixus 50 camera too ...
[09:21] <holycow> Blinker_, meh, sorry. thats about all the options then.
[09:21] <kendals> guess i'll just have to boot parallels to print stuff...bah
[09:21] <holycow> kendals, ironically brother has a bad rep but ... the support linux
[09:21] <holycow> not only that ...
[09:21] <kendals> haha, true.
[09:21] <holycow> their drivers are open source
[09:21] <holycow> and they have rpms and DEBS
[09:21] <holycow> lol
[09:22] <kendals> wow nice
[09:22] <PhilH> kendals, the ixus 50 should work fine
[09:22] <holycow> and pretty much most of their line of products is supported ... we are actually testing them at work and will drop hp if they turn out okay
[09:22] <PhilH> gphoto is very capable
[09:22] <wastrel> my question is, why do i need drivers for canon on linux, if i'm sharing the printer from windows, which has drivers
[09:22] <holycow> wasabi, you need linux drivers
[09:22] <PhilH> because your linux programs need to know what format to send the data in
[09:23] <PhilH> holycow, the only real way to use ext2/3 on windows is http://www.paragon.ag/file_system_drivers.htm
[09:23] <PhilH> it is a surprisingly good product though
[09:23] <holycow> plus you need to set up the printer via samba ... thats the only way to talk to a printer hosted on windows.
[09:23] <Guard] [an> hi
[09:24] <Guard] [an> can someone remind me the command line to know which wireless adapter is installed on my laptop ?
[09:24] <holycow> PhilH, really?
[09:24] <holycow> ohh that paid stuff
[09:24] <holycow> *hmmm*
[09:24] <EnsignRedshirt> holycow: I don't think that is true.
[09:24] <holycow> that sucks ... don't you just hate the smell of windows fricking software?
[09:24] <trogdoor> PhilH, My friend has been using an open source application for that for a while now, i think?
[09:24] <bobby123> can anyone tell me how to play counter strike on liinux
[09:24] <bobby123> ?
[09:24] <bobby123> linux*
[09:24] <holycow> every jerk in windows land thinks they can charge 9,95 for 10 lines of code
[09:24] <bobby123> im unable to install wine
[09:24] <holycow> :)
[09:24] <PhilH> trogdoor, cool, very interested
[09:24] <bobby123> as mine is a 64bit cpu
[09:25] <holycow> EnsignRedshirt, you need to send the print job to a print server
[09:25] <bobby123> 11 holycow
[09:25] <kendals> thanks philh.
[09:25] <holycow> EnsignRedshirt, you might be able to send it 'raw' or postscript but i've not tried in a long time
[09:25] <kendals> so is there any easy way to get a canon s520 on a windows network to work?
[09:25] <trogdoor> PhilH, It was on source forge.
[09:25] <ootput> holycow: 9,950?!
[09:25] <holycow> basically you need to send it via smb ... thats how windows machines send print jobs to each other
[09:25] <holycow> its completely stupid
[09:26] <kendals> well i have smb there...
[09:26] <bobby123> can anyone tell me how to play counter strike on liinux???????
[09:26] <bobby123> can anyone tell me how to play counter strike on liinux???????
[09:26] <kendals> but when i browse the machine in say, nautilus, it doesn't show up
[09:26] <kendals> all the shared folders are there.
[09:26] <bobby123> can anyone tell me how to play counter strike or age of empireson liinux???????
[09:26] <kendals> but no printer! :(
[09:26] <holycow> kendals, indeed, the dialog in the printer setup lets you check it off as well
[09:26] <bobby123> can anyone tell me how to play counter strike or age of empires on liinux???????
[09:26] <kendals> ahh true.
[09:26] <ootput> bobby123: make use of a search engine, and stop repeating yourself
[09:26] <trogdoor> PhilH, I'm looking for it ( I don't have it myself because I down't own Windows :) )
[09:26] <holycow> kendals, you don't right click and connect via smb
[09:26] <bobby123> okies
[09:26] <bobby123> sorry for that
[09:26] <holycow> kendals, you do add printer ... then select the right smb settings
[09:26] <PhilH> trogdoor, cool, thanks
[09:26] <bobby123> i thought sumbody might help me
[09:26] <holycow> typically you need to type in ipaddres:/something/something
[09:26] <bobby123> :(
[09:27] <kendals> ahh ok...i'll try the ip address thing
[09:27] <holycow> kendals, printers NEVER show up via smb clients mostly because there is nothing you can do with that
[09:27] <PhilH> bobby, it's not easy, petition Valve to release a linux client
[09:27] <Hentai_jeff> trogdoor: who the hell actully owns windows?
[09:27] <bobby123> cant i use wine??
[09:27] <wastrel> i own a copy of xp
[09:27] <ootput> bobby123: http://www.stgraber.org/?p=6
[09:27] <ootput> bobby123: read it through before asking
[09:27] <wastrel> it's not installed tho
[09:27] <bobby123> previously i isntalled a 32-bit OS
[09:27] <bobby123> then i could paly it with wine
[09:27] <trogdoor> Hentai_jeff, But I don't even have it installed :)
[09:27] <PhilH> wastrel, you have a license, it's not the same as owning it
[09:28] <bobby123> but now im using 64-bit OS
[09:28] <wastrel> semantics
[09:28] <bobby123> tht doesnt have wine
[09:28] <zoidberg> hey is there someone with the name cow in here?
[09:28] <Hentai_jeff> I have it working through vmware just cause work demands that I use it for one program
[09:28] <kendals> holycow.
[09:28] <kendals> also.
[09:28] <zoidberg> yeah holycow
[09:28] <zoidberg> are u there
[09:28] <PhilH> wastrel, quite important semantics when you think about it though
[09:28] <ootput> zoidberg: /whois cow
[09:28] <kendals> holycow: with the ipaddres:/something/something - what wasthe something something bit
[09:29] <wastrel> PhilH:  important in some contexts
[09:29] <holycow> kendals, i donno, i have forgotten too much windows stuff as i never use it anymore
[09:29] <zoidberg> holycow, i'm on a laptop now....i put the nvidia card back in my pc....after i downloaded nvidia-glx-legacy
[09:29] <kendals> true, thanks anyway
[09:29] <holycow> kendals, google will generate some examples ... itws a common question.  search the forums and iwki too
[09:29] <PhilH> wastrel, important as an example of the differences between proprietary and Free software
[09:29] <Acidic32> ubotu, universe
[09:29] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:29] <Hentai_jeff> hate how the higher ups descided to use microsoft groove for our ticket counter...
[09:29] <bobby123> can anyone tell me how to play counter strike or age of empires on liinux???????
[09:30] <Blinker_> wine
[09:30] <holycow> zoidberg, no you can just have your nvidia card in the pc
[09:30] <bobby123> 64-bit os
[09:30] <zoidberg> holycow, but when GDM was starting it got stuck again...i think i'm supposed to do some other things tooo but not sure what....i'm in recovery mode on the pc right now with a terminal
[09:30] <bobby123> no wine package
[09:30] <bobby123> :(
[09:30] <Hentai_jeff> bobby123:you can either try wine or giveup
[09:30] <PhilH> bobby123, sign up for a Cedega subscription
[09:30] <holycow> zoidberg, at first you make sure you dpkg-reconfigure to use vesa so at least you have a desktop
[09:30] <bobby123> can anyone tell me how to play counter strike or age of empires on 64-bit liinux???????
[09:30] <holycow> then follow the !nvidia instructios
[09:30] <ph8> stop asking bobby
[09:30] <Hentai_jeff> or cedega
[09:30] <holycow> !nvidia
[09:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:30] <bobby123> ok
[09:30] <holycow> zoidberg, in that order
[09:30] <ootput> bobby123: package it yourself
[09:30] <zoidberg> well i didnt dpkg-reconfigure
[09:30] <zoidberg> what do i do now
[09:31] <holycow> zoidberg, in recovery mode you want to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:31] <bobby123> !cedega
[09:31] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on wine, aimed at running windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[09:31] <zoidberg> i've already install nvdia glx legacy
[09:31] <holycow> and go through the dialogs, make sure you choose the vesa driver, leave everything the same
[09:31] <Acidic32> !easysource
[09:31] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:31] <holycow> that will let you at least use nvidia in 2d accelerated mode
[09:32] <trogdoor> PhilH, http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd but I am not sure that is the one, I also remember some of the other apps suck FYI this might be one of those "others" and not the good one, I don't remember.
[09:32] <zoidberg> holycow, right now it siasking to Enter an Idtenifer for your video card....and it has the Intel card written there
[09:32] <zoidberg> holycow, what should i do
[09:33] <holycow> just press enter
[09:33] <ootput> trogdoor: to r/w to ext3 while in Windows?
[09:33] <holycow> dont f with that
[09:33] <ootput> ext2/3
[09:33] <PhilH> trogdoor, thanks, " Many changes are made since 0.25a, but I have no enough time for more testings. Next month I might have time for ext2fsd and make a new release." not sure i like the sound of that ;)
[09:33] <Hentai_jeff> while bobby has it halfway anyone know the best place I can find ID software games for linux?
[09:33] <erpo> Somehow my trash can/recycle bin disappeared from my Desktop. How do I get it to come back?
[09:33] <trogdoor> PhilH, My friend actually uses ext3 as his data partition for linux AND windows, he even installs his windows apps on it.
[09:33] <erpo> Hentai_jeff: Go buy a copy of the windows version and download the linux binaries from idsoftware.com
[09:34] <holycow> trogdoor, what does he use for windows writing?
[09:34] <ootput> PhilH: there's an app called "IFS"-something that's just great
[09:34] <EnsignRedshirt> holycow: Following up on my earlier comment... I could swear I used a printer attached to a windows computer, without setting up samba.  But that was awhile ago (I was using warty).
[09:34] <Hentai_jeff> ah I thought they had a special linux version to buy
[09:34] <holycow> i'd like to know that, i cannot stand having to use fat32 even the odd time
[09:34] <trogdoor> holycow, I don't remember, sorry :(
[09:34] <ootput> PhilH: http://www.fs-driver.org/
[09:34] <zoidberg> holycow, it didnt ask me anything about the VESA driver?
[09:34] <holycow> ootput, ext2? oh good enough :)
[09:35] <ootput> holycow: both
[09:35] <holycow> not very safe at all, you will loose data on that on a bad powerdown ...
[09:35] <zoidberg> holycow, it didnt ask me anything about a VESA driver?
[09:35] <wastrel> erpo:  in gconf-editor  apps > nautilus > desktop  trash_icon_visible
[09:35] <trogdoor> holycow, PhilH, I will talk to my friend tomorrow and put a link on my web page @ trogdoor.googlepages.com/extinwindows
[09:35] <holycow> zoidberg, yes it did
[09:36] <Crazed> any one here who knows a good site to configure my X config with a TV
[09:36] <holycow> zoidberg, its one of the first couple of questions, it asks you to select a driver
[09:36] <zoidberg> well i didnt see it
[09:36] <Crazed> I got a guide and it's all working
[09:36] <holycow> you need to arrow down to the bottom and select vesa
[09:36] <zoidberg> are u sure
[09:36] <holycow> do it again
[09:36] <holycow> zoidberg, i don't care if you saw it, i do this for a living, its there :)
[09:36] <Crazed> but flicker is really awfull and need the screen to be on the left instead of right
[09:36] <holycow> by default it will try and select nvidia driver
[09:37] <PhilH> ootput, ifs looks nice
[09:37] <zoidberg> holycow, i selected the VESA driver
[09:37] <zoidberg> now what
[09:37] <holycow> finish it
[09:37] <PhilH> trogdoor, thanks, i look forward to hearing more
[09:37] <ootput> PhilH: it performs much better than the other frequently used dev driver
[09:37] <zoidberg> holycow, finished it now what
[09:37] <holycow> your just telling it what driver to use ... you want it to use vesa at first so at least you can get to a basic desktop when you reboot
[09:37] <holycow> reboot
[09:38] <ClayG> anyone know of an all in one (standalone i guess)_ email client for the CLI?
[09:38] <bobby_123> is there a 64bit version of cedega?
[09:38] <ootput> ClayG: mutt, pine, gnus
[09:38] <bobby_123> ot wine?
[09:38] <bobby_123> or*
[09:38] <holycow> bobby_123, no
[09:38] <ootput> ClayG: wanderlust, mew (for emacs)
[09:38] <bobby_123> :(
[09:38] <mjr> bobby_123, no, not yet at least
[09:38] <holycow> i doubt there will ever be 64 bit
[09:38] <zoidberg> holycow, it is rebooting
[09:39] <bobby_123> can i install the 32 bit version on amd64?
[09:39] <mjr> holycow, there probably will, and the 64-bit versions of wine will probably run only 64-bit windows apps.
[09:39] <holycow> as long as your os is 32 bit sure
[09:39] <mjr> bobby_123, yes
[09:39] <bobby_123> mjr, how?
[09:39] <bobby_123> im using 64 bit OS
[09:39] <holycow> mjr, my understanding is win64 is very much a true 64 bit app ... they rewrote a lot of stuff
[09:39] <mjr> http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit
[09:40] <holycow> if it took them this long to get 32 bit support to late beta stage ... 64 bit will take a while
[09:40] <erpo> wastrel: Thanks. Worked like a charm. :)
[09:40] <bobby_123> !wine64
[09:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wine64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:40] <atenyi> Just installed ubuntu but I'm disappointed by the intermitent keyboard key lockups. Especially the asdf keys! Has anyone had the same problem? It's annoying to boot up the system and not be able to login b'se the password has an asdc.
[09:40] <zoidberg> holycow, i get a blue screen saysing "Failed to start the X server (your GUI) it is likeyly it is not set up correctly...would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?"
[09:40] <bobby_123> !wine
[09:40] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:40] <mjr> holycow, it's not really like that
[09:40] <holycow> yeah?
[09:41] <mjr> there is work to be done, sure, but much of it can build on existing win32 stuff
[09:41] <zoidberg> holycow, i get a blue screen saying it fialed to start X server
[09:41] <holycow> mjr, i'll go with you answer then :)
[09:41] <holycow> zoidberg, with vesa? wow.
[09:41] <zoidberg> yes
[09:42] <holycow> then something is either seriously wrong or your xorg.conf file is borked
[09:42] <PhilH> porting a win32 app to win64 is surely pretty trivial for the most part so i'm sure it wont take long to support win64 app under wine on 64bit x86 linux
[09:42] <zoidberg> why?
[09:42] <trogdoor> zoidberg, do you have a backup of your xorg.conf ?
[09:42] <mjr> holycow, the big redesign thing is with the .net and stuff like that that MS wants people to use for all the new stuff instead of straight win32/64
[09:43] <zoidberg> holycow, cant i just configure the Nvidia card through revovery mode....i can just use the terminal?
[09:43] <Flannel> zoidberg: does updating your packages help?  (see this: http://www.ubuntu.com/FixForUpgradeIssue )
[09:43] <holycow> zoidberg, can you check your xorg.conf file and see if its using vesa driver? maybe the reconfig script thinks its modifying the file but it really isn't
[09:43] <holycow> zoidberg, you can just use terminal
[09:43] <holycow> ctrl / alt / f1 or whatever
[09:43] <holycow> zoidberg, are you using dapper or ... ?
[09:43] <zoidberg> holycow, i am in the revovery mode terminal right now...how do i check the xorg.conf file
[09:43] <zoidberg> dapper
[09:44] <trogdoor> zoidberg, nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:44] <holycow> there ya go
[09:44] <holycow> i'm too slow
[09:48] <PhilH> ok, it's gone quiet, time to spam you with another Visit http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ ! message
[09:48] <zoidberg> holycow, okay now i'm in xorg.conf using nano....where is the video section so i can check that its using VESA?
[09:49] <holycow> scroll down, you should look for something like driver ="vesa" or whatever
[09:49] <zanpakuto> hi, how do I use libstdc++.so.5 instead of newer versions? I am getting some warning: libstdc++.so.5 may conflict with libstdc++.so.6
[09:49] <bobby_123> whts the latest ubuntu realease???
[09:50] <bobby_123> !ubuntu
[09:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[09:50] <bobby_123> !latest
[09:50] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[09:50] <zoidberg> holycow, okay so i am at the the section and it does say "Driver "vesa""
[09:50] <PhilH> bobby_123, what do you want to know?
[09:50] <Madpilot> bobby_123, 6.06.1 LTS is latest stable - the next version is in testing now
[09:51] <Flannel> bobby_123: 6.06 is the latest release, however you can download 6.06.1, which is a point 'update', basically just some updates rolled into an ISO, so you have less to download once you install
[09:51] <holycow> zoidberg, we were just checking that it is using it.  so it is using vesa but crashing.  now we know its not crashing because of an obvious misconfiguration.
[09:51] <zoidberg> holycow, so what do we do now?
[09:51] <holycow> zoidberg, what that means is you have a much more serious problem .... probably with the card ... but hard to tell.
[09:51] <k0rd> how long does it take to partition like 61.2 GB?
[09:51] <kaitlyn> Which package do I install to get make?
[09:51] <trogdoor> zoidberg, Did x work with the liveCD?
[09:51] <PhilH> zoidberg, is the onboard videocard disabled properly?
[09:51] <holycow> you would need to pastebing your xorg log files, but i don't feel like trolling those at 1 am.
[09:52] <sputnick> hi all - I've installed Texlive2005 but would like to unistall it again - how do I do that? I really hope someone can help me.
[09:52] <kaitlyn> k0rd: With resierFS, or etcX about 30 seconds to 2 minutes.
[09:52] <PhilH> sputnick, how did you install it?
[09:52] <holycow> k0rd, no kaitlyn is wrong
[09:52] <holycow> it takes far less than 30 seconds
[09:52] <Madpilot> kaitlyn, build-essential to get make and all the compiling stuff
[09:52] <sputnick> PhilH, in the terminal (I'm a newbee) from a cd
[09:52] <holycow> unless you were to do a low level format ... it only writes out the sectors, on 60 gig thats nothing under reiser
[09:53] <holycow> i just did that a few hours ago infact :)
[09:53] <zoidberg> the onboard videocard is NOT disabled...imy monitor is plugged into the NVIDIA CARD....the identiefired in the XORG file is is the Intel on board vid card
[09:53] <PhilH> sputnick, what kinf of thing did you type to install it?
[09:53] <sputnick> PhilH, one sec
[09:53] <kaitlyn> holycow: On my 1.8 processor it takes about 35 seconds for ext3 on an 80GB laptop drive.  On my 266 it took about 90 seconds for ext2 for a 40GB drive.
[09:53] <trogdoor> Bye.
[09:53] <sputnick> PhilH, sudo sh install-tl.sh was the command I used
[09:54] <PhilH> zoidberg, sorry, did i miss something, are you aiming for dualhead?
[09:54] <kaitlyn> Thanks Madpilot.  :)
[09:54] <holycow> kaitlyn on a pentium 2.7 ghz it took less than 30 seconds ... *hmmm*
[09:54] <holycow> okay then there is some variability :)
[09:54] <zoidberg> holycow, i think we are doing something wrong here....right now my monitor is plugged into the NVIDIA CARD....but we are using vesa and xorg has the Intel card for the identifier
[09:54] <zoidberg> the onboard videocard is NOT disabled...imy monitor is plugged into the NVIDIA CARD....the identiefired in the XORG file is is the Intel on board vid card
[09:54] <kaitlyn> holycow: Indeed.
[09:54] <holycow> zoidberg, oh ... disable your onboard vid card then
[09:54] <holycow> then reconfigure xorg again
[09:55] <zoidberg> how do i disable it holy cow
[09:55] <holycow> so it points to the right card on your bus
[09:55] <holycow> zoidberg, bios
[09:55] <PhilH> zoidberg, the identified bit probably doesn't matter, it's just what was detected when ubuntu was installed
[09:55] <zoidberg> holycow
[09:55] <zoidberg> what do i need to do
[09:55] <PhilH> sputnick, this is one of those "oh joy" moments
[09:55] <zoidberg> go to bios?
[09:55] <rxKaffee> anyone know what would be a good livecd with AoE support?
[09:55] <zoidberg> can i disable it from the terminal itself
[09:55] <holycow> what philc is probably ture ... usually bios automatically turn off onboard vid when they detect a vid card in agp slot
[09:55] <zanpakuto> hi, how do I use libstdc++.so.5 instead of newer versions? I am getting some warning: libstdc++.so.5 may conflict with libstdc++.so.6
[09:55] <holycow> maybe yours doesnt
[09:55] <holycow> zoidberg, no you need to access the bios
[09:56] <holycow> or repoint it to the right bus identifier, i don't know how to do that ... i'm too lazy and just modify it via bios if i need to
[09:56] <sputnick> PhilH, haha
[09:57] <PhilH> sputnick, try editing the shell script from the CD to see if there's anything in the way of uninstall procedures in there
[09:59] <rixth_> How can I find a string in in m ultiple files?
[09:59] <tourach> rixth_: grep
[10:00] <rixth_> tourach, not across multiple files. I haven't been able to put *.php and has it work
[10:00] <zoidberg> holycow, so i went to the bios the video card is set to auto...which the bios says uses the ADDED CARD as default...if there is no other card present it would use the onboard one?
[10:00] <PhilH> cat *|grep searchedstring
[10:01] <holycow> zoidberg, not sure, every bios, and every fricking bios version is differnt
[10:01] <holycow> mostly because of the magic of closed source
[10:01] <holycow> experiment see what happens
[10:01] <tengil> im trying to get vnstat for dapper. i find the package on the ubuntu package page in universe. i have this line in my sources.lst deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse. why wont it find vnstat when i try to install the package?
[10:01] <holycow> zoidberg, the things you just went through are the skills you need to resolve 90% of video card issues actually
[10:02] <PhilH> rixth_, any luck with that?
[10:02] <PhilH> use cat *.php|grep string
[10:02] <zoidberg> holycow, i cant really experiment coz i can either select auto which should selsect the nvidia CARD OR  omboard which selescts the onboard card
[10:02] <rixth_> PhilH, lookin good, except it doesn't recurse into dirs
[10:02] <PhilH> ah
[10:03] <holycow> zoidberg, at this juncture you are going to then haveto do a calculation:
[10:03] <zoidberg> holycow, my question is this....can i just configure the NVIDIA card from revoery mode without a desktop....and install the right drivers?
[10:03] <holycow> is it cheaper to buy a new system / vid card or is it cheaper to google the requisite knowledge on how to scan your bus for the vid card in question and convert that to the proper terminology ie: 1.0.0 or whatever
[10:03] <holycow> zoidberg, well yes you can try
[10:04] <holycow> !nvidia
[10:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:04] <holycow> you can do all of that from command line
[10:04] <holycow> you DON'T haveto be in recovery
[10:04] <bobby_123> !check
[10:04] <ubotu> check: unit test framework for C. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.3-2 (dapper), package size 64 kB, installed size 304 kB
[10:04] <holycow> just startup as normal
[10:04] <holycow> x will crash and send you to a command line
[10:04] <bobby_123> !fork
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <holycow> login from there and install drivers and see what happens
[10:04] <bobby_123> !rfork
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rfork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <bobby_123> !xubuntu
[10:04] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[10:05] <zoidberg> okay i just have one more question holy cow
[10:05] <holycow> shoot
[10:05] <zoidberg> in the nvidoe apage you just sent me
[10:05] <zoidberg> go there please i have a question regarding one step
[10:06] <PhilH> can anyone elaborate on cat piped into grep for rixth?
[10:06] <zoidberg> it is step 6
[10:06] <zoidberg> holycow, can you help me with step 6 on the page
[10:06] <zoidberg> i'm not sure i know what they mean
[10:06] <mypapit> zoidberg? wtf?
[10:07] <zoidberg> holycow, it says to find the approriate module fore your kernel?
[10:08] <PhilH> that's the module that's installed when you get the nvidia-legacy -glx package
[10:08] <PhilH> it should be the correct version for you kernel
[10:08] <bobby_123> can anyone tell me where to start learnin kernel programmin?
[10:09] <k0rd> well here's the situation
[10:09] <PhilH> bobby_123, ten seconds ago you were confused by the prospect of running counterstrike on linux, i don't think it would be productive
[10:09] <bobby_123> !kernel
[10:09] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[10:09] <bobby_123> ok
[10:09] <k0rd> i have a 200 gb hd, and im partitioning 61.2 GB for linux, so....it's been going for like 1 hour
[10:09] <k0rd> should it be taking this long?
[10:09] <tengil> can anyone give me a line for sources list that should let me get package vnstat. it says it should be in dapper universe but it doesnt work for download for me
[10:09] <tengil> can anyone else check if they can get that package?
[10:09] <bobby_123> i ws confused cos thrs not wine fr 64 bit
[10:09] <bobby_123> not tht i dint run it before
[10:10] <bobby_123> PhilH
[10:10] <PhilH> k0rd, what commands are you using? are you just partitioning or formatting too?
[10:10] <k0rd> im just partitioning using the ubuntu installation
[10:10] <k0rd> im on the live cd atm
[10:11] <wastrel> k0rd:  it's shrinking your windows partition?
[10:11] <k0rd> it's resizing and using the freed space
[10:11] <k0rd> that's the option I chose, because im trying to dual-boot it with xp
[10:11] <bobby_123> :(
[10:11] <bobby_123> !wtf
[10:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wtf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:12] <ph8> you shouldn't have to compile a kernel? what about if i want grsec?
[10:12] <ph8> :)
[10:12] <PhilH> bobboy_123, i don't know how to help you
[10:12] <zoidberg> how do i restart x11 from the terminal
[10:12] <bobby_123> ok
[10:12] <bobby_123> thnx fr tryin
[10:12] <PhilH> zoidberg, use gdm
[10:12] <wastrel> k0rd:  that could take a long time - it took a while to shrink my 40 gig windows partition... dunno tho.  did you defrag windows first?
[10:12] <PhilH> although it may already be running
[10:13] <PhilH> in which case use sudo killall gdm&&gdm
[10:13] <PhilH> or rather sudo killall gdm&&sudo gdm
[10:13] <k0rd> no i didn't
[10:13] <k0rd> :-\
[10:14] <PhilH> k0rd, make yourself comfortable
[10:14] <k0rd> lol
[10:14] <k0rd> does linux have a defragger, or can I use wine?
[10:14] <k0rd> i really dont feel like booting back into windows
[10:15] <PhilH> k0rd, try using Ctrl+Alt+Fn to switch between virtual consoles, one of them may just give you some progress reports on the formatting process
[10:16] <ompaul> k0rd, what do you want to defrag?
[10:16] <PhilH> Fn = F1, F2, F3, etc.
[10:16] <k0rd> my harddrive...
[10:16] <DBO> k0rd, linux doesnt need to be defragged
[10:16] <DBO> k0rd, it doesnt fragment
[10:16] <k0rd> yeah, but im installing linux, it's not on my pc yet
[10:16] <k0rd> im on the live cd
[10:16] <PhilH> DBO, it does but that's not the point, he wants to defrag his windows partition, the one that's being resized
[10:16] <DBO> sorry my mistake
[10:17] <ompaul> k0rd, ahh you should use the windows defragger
[10:17] <ompaul> k0rd, or better yet
[10:17] <ompaul> k0rd, remove windows totally
[10:17] <k0rd> i can't do that
[10:17] <k0rd> family pc
[10:17] <k0rd> :(
[10:17] <PhilH> i'd be a little cautious about stopping the resizing operation at this stage though, i think you'd better just let it get on with it
[10:17] <PhilH> k0rd, have you looked at the various consoles?
[10:19] <Ackeubu_>  hey how do I mount sd cards??? tifm_7xx1: sd card detected in socket 1
[10:20] <opexoc> When I am using vim. It displays well all my polish fonts. However, yesterday I want to modify some file thanks to it and vim displays bad polish fonts from this file. What is a reason of this behavor? How can I repair this?
[10:20] <dpupp> im trying to get sound in tvtime through my pcmcia card... but im getting: sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy. Anyone have any ideas i can try?
[10:21] <stepanov> hi,who speak  for russian?
[10:21] <wastrel> !ru
[10:21] <ubotu> Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. Russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[10:21] <wastrel> !pl
[10:21] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[10:21] <PhilH> do any of you lot play tremulous?
[10:22] <stepanov> thanks
[10:22] <opexoc> wastrel: I know I can... but noone can help me.
[10:23] <dpupp> Does anyone know how to kill all applications using sound?
[10:23] <cope_oz> can someone tell me what packages i need to get my ADSL installed? is it just pppoe?
[10:23] <cope_oz> and ppoeconf
[10:25] <frandavid100> hi
[10:25] <PhilH> opexoc, is it possible that the charset/character coding was altered when you saved the file?
[10:25] <frandavid100> could you tell me your opinion about this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=257120
[10:26] <frandavid100> I'd like the drive applet to be on the panel by default
[10:26] <frandavid100> do you think that's worth a spec?
[10:26] <holycow> frandavid100, wtf?
[10:26] <holycow> right click, eject
[10:26] <holycow> how hard can it be
[10:26] <holycow> you haveto do that on windows too
[10:26] <holycow> only there it takes 10 clicks
[10:27] <frandavid100> yeah it's easy
[10:27] <PhilH> but not necessarily obvious
[10:27] <opexoc> PhilH: I have not modyfied and saved this file... In first time it was displayed wrong...
[10:27] <frandavid100> but I've seen many people coming from windows have trouble finding it
[10:27] <PhilH> there should be a dialogue when the displayed the first time the device is mounted warning that they need to unmount it
[10:27] <holycow> what are we supposed to do ... magically impart knowledge on them?
[10:27] <frandavid100> it would be more obvious to have it on the panel
[10:28] <frandavid100> handier too, since you have access to it anytime
[10:28] <holycow> you know, even two click things have the requirement that th euser is WILLING to learn new things, thus ask questions, explore
[10:28] <holycow> how would that be more obvious?
[10:28] <PhilH> this dialogue should appear every time they plug in a USB mass storage device until they click on the do not show again check box
[10:28] <frandavid100> but I'm thinking about newcomers basically
[10:28] <holycow> you are just moving it from one place to another
[10:28] <holycow> its not obvious, its just the same thing in a different spot
[10:28] <holycow> plus it breaks the paradigm
[10:28] <holycow> 'magically appears on desktop'
[10:28] <frandavid100> what paradigm?
[10:29] <haffe> Hello.
[10:29] <holycow> all of a suddent you have some devices appearing on desktop others on a panel
[10:29] <PhilH> frandavid100, those last few messages were directed at you
[10:29] <holycow> then someone is going to suggest to bring back ythe disk mounter applet
[10:29] <PhilH> opexoc, how does less display it?
[10:29] <holycow> the problem is basically this: images are worth a thousand words AND user s DON'T READ
[10:30] <frandavid100> well having it on a panel doesn't necessarily mean taking it out from the desktop
[10:30] <haffe> Could somebody help me with my problem? I want to play a dvd (which I have purchased) in kaffeine, but kaffeine keeps complaining that the disc is encrypted, despite the fact that I have installed libdcss.
[10:30] <holycow> so what that basically means is that, they wont read it if you have something explaining it, they wont interpret it righ tno matter what icon you have
[10:30] <holycow> and
[10:30] <holycow> if you have users like mine
[10:30] <loudmouthman> holycow: your right ... I wonder if we could use Milla as the background to some of the system applets .. this might encourage users to look harder !
[10:30] <holycow> IF YOU DON'T PHRASE IT RIGHT, they won't listen to you either
[10:30] <opexoc> PhilH: It displays this file even worse...
[10:30] <loudmouthman> or take a harder look !
[10:30] <holycow> and then you have users that you know, cannot remember what a right click is 3 minutes after you told them
[10:30] <PhilH> opexoc, and if you open it with gedit?
[10:31] <holycow> so basically, you are making some broad assumptions about a species that is VERY BADLY engineered
[10:31] <holycow> our brains just don't work very well
[10:31] <opexoc> PhilH: the same problem.
[10:31] <ClayG> anyone know of a good tabbed web broser that can be used i the CLI
[10:31] <frandavid100> besides, the applet doesn't even require a right-click, which is totally unknown to many users I know (my mother, my gf...)
[10:31] <PhilH> holycow, if you bug them with a message enough times and put hurdles in to prevent them from bypassing it without reading the message then you can at least be sure it's not your fault when they lose data
[10:32] <holycow> oh yes great
[10:32] <ClayG> or a good standalone email cleint that can function without setting up an MTA
[10:32] <opexoc>  PhilH: generally, I can use polish fonts, but this file is reading bad. It file which was downloaded. It is not mine.
[10:32] <ClayG> similiar to how thunderbird works
[10:32] <holycow> thats just f'n brilliant
[10:32] <holycow> lets just do what vista is going to do
[10:32] <holycow> or what zonealarm does
[10:32] <holycow> which is nothing
[10:32] <frandavid100> the desktop requires a right- click and then gives you lots of options
[10:32] <holycow> people don't read popups, they just click okay on them
[10:32] <RobHu> How do I get update-modules to work, I looked at the script and it wants to call update-modules.modutils which is not there. Any idea how to get it?
[10:32] <PhilH> holycow, if you don't give them to option to just click ok then you can force them to pay attention
[10:33] <PhilH> opexoc, can i download the file too?
[10:33] <holycow> PhilH, dude please :) your now making stuff up.  they they will smash their mice complaining why they cannot ignore the popup :)
[10:33] <MattJ100> lol
[10:34] <holycow> PhilH, the basic problem is free will ... you cannot box a user into a corner where they don't have a choice ... you can maybe take the choice away ... but all three options result with irritated users
[10:34] <PhilH> holycow, it at least gives those users who are willing to read the message a fighting chance of working with usb-massstorage without losing data
[10:34] <holycow> give em choice they complain.  box em in to a right choice they complain.  take away choice they complain
[10:34] <opexoc> PhilH: It is a some piece of source of some program... so I can send you this text file. ok?
[10:34] <holycow> your solving a problem that has no solution.
[10:34] <PhilH> opexoc, by all means try, not sure if it'll work
[10:34] <holycow> PhilH, what, you mean like those of us in this channel?
[10:34] <holycow> we are a special breed
[10:35] <holycow> our learning styles are designed to allow for complex data interaction
[10:35] <holycow> we aren't afraid of 'new'
[10:35] <holycow> most of the earths population is not however
[10:35] <holycow> well half true
[10:35] <holycow> kids love this stuff, their brains are designed to assimilate all information
[10:35] <winjer> anyone got any reports of the dapper netboot not working on some laptops?
[10:35] <PhilH> holycow, if you're concerned about users complaining then give up now, i'm concerned about helping them handle data on USB disks without losing data!
[10:35] <holycow> but as adults those metnal pathways are discarded, until you become you
[10:36] <holycow> that is to say, most people are data xenophobes
[10:36] <xopher> sorry going a bit off topic, but does anyone know the opposite of innovation?
[10:36] <opexoc> PhilH: do you have it?
[10:36] <PhilH> yes
[10:36] <holycow> PhilH, i'm only concerned about solving the problem in the right way
[10:36] <PhilH> opexoc, yes
[10:36] <holycow> the right way is not what you guys are suggestion
[10:36] <holycow> the right way is actually this, and its proven in studies:
[10:36] <holycow> - people don't learn the 'metadata' about interfaces
[10:37] <PhilH> oh holycow, venerable and reveered holycow, tell us how we might solve the problem
[10:37] <holycow> - people learn the POSITION of the iconography
[10:37] <holycow> what that means is NOT is it easy BUT is it familiar
[10:37] <zoidberg> holycow, i disabled the NVIDIA card....now i'm just trying to get my onboard card to work but i get the same blue screen...i think my xorg.conf got messed up
[10:37] <holycow> or ... is it HOW THEY REMEMBER IT
[10:37] <holycow> right?
[10:37] <zoidberg> can i run the xorg.conf setup again
[10:37] <holycow> PhilH, you can't solve the problem, its  self recursive loop of frustration bro
[10:38] <zoidberg> holycow, i just want it to run the original onboard Intel card thats it
[10:38] <holycow> i'm just telling you how users learn uis... they don't learn them they memorize them
[10:38] <PhilH> holycow, even if you can't solve it you can help the users become less affected by it
[10:38] <holycow> it doesn't matter if its an icon or a panel or whatever
[10:38] <RobHu> If I have "alias xennet eth0" where do I put that? There is no modules.conf and update-modules does nothing :/
[10:38] <holycow> what they want to do is learn it once,then repeat it
[10:38] <PhilH> opexoc, Operator porwnujcy. Sprawdza tosamo obiektw, mangled?
[10:38] <holycow> learning hurts them, they don't want to do it
[10:39] <zoidberg> holycow, please help me...i just want my old intell onboard video card to work...how do i run the xorg setup
[10:39] <holycow> PhilH, that statement simply suggests to me that you are solving the wrong problem
[10:39] <PhilH> holycow, you really DO NOT have a helpful attitude
[10:39] <holycow> your attached to a solution that really is in search of a problem
[10:39] <holycow> PhilH, i may be beligerent, but beligernce is not necessarily unhelpfull
[10:39] <holycow> i'm fine if you don't like me :)
[10:39] <MattJ100> reconfigure xorg.conf:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:39] <MattJ100> I think
[10:40] <holycow> zoidberg, what he said
[10:40] <opexoc>  PhilH: yes.
[10:40] <PhilH> holycow, the solution would maybe be to cause files to be written to the device as and when the user asks them to, rather than when the device is unmounted
[10:40] <holycow> PhilH, no that was discussed on many usb newsgroups
[10:40] <MattJ100> There should be no caching when witing to USB disks :P
[10:40] <holycow> to autowrite to the flash device and unmount transparently for the user
[10:41] <zoidberg> holycow, what driver do i select for the onboard INTEL video card?
[10:41] <holycow> i forget what the exact argument was, but it turns out it is a veyh bad idea, primarily it has to do with not wanting to damage or shorten th elife span of the usb stick accidentally
[10:41] <zoidberg> holycow, what driver do i select for the onboard INTEL video card?
[10:41] <holycow> that still doesn't change the numbers though
[10:41] <holycow> us techies that learn the metadata in the ui are few and far between
[10:42] <holycow> most of the population memorizes the ui
[10:42] <user-land> hello, i installed ubuntu 6.06.1 now and ran easyubuntu, but still when i insert a dvd totem opens but then says the necessary plugins are not installed ...
[10:42] <zoidberg> holycow, please help me i'm justr trying to get my computer working the way it used to
[10:42] <zoidberg> holycow, what driver do i select for the onboard INTEL video card?
[10:42] <holycow> the reason you get people complaining about gimp or oo, is simply because they don't realize that they are uisng the wrong learning the strategy
[10:42] <dpupp> how do i stop all applications from using audio?
[10:42] <PhilH> holycow, then notifying the user that there is a procedure to be followed is the next best option, i don't see a reason why you shouldn't notify the user of this, even if there is a likelihood that they will ignore it
[10:42] <holycow> the complaints about gimp and oo almost 99% of the time is because it doesn't map to the users mental map of the other apps ... they fail to apply the 'need to learn' part because its hard work
[10:43] <holycow> as an example
[10:43] <holycow> PhilH, i'm not against that at all
[10:43] <zoidberg> holycow, PLEASE help me......what driver should i select for the oboard INTEL card?
[10:43] <opexoc> PhilH: what do you think about this file?
[10:43] <PhilH> holycow, THATS WHAT I'VE BEEN SUGGESTING!!!
[10:43] <erUSUL> zoidberg: usually i810
[10:43] <erUSUL> !caps
[10:43] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[10:43] <holycow> PhilH, infact that is a pretty good idea ... if we keep the paradigm the same (remember change is bad) but we add on to it, i could say thats cool
[10:43] <PhilH> that's what you're been arguing pointedly against!
[10:43] <PhilH> you've^
[10:44] <dpupp> is there a terminal command to end all applications from using audi?
[10:44] <holycow> PhilH, i admit that its possible that i misudnerstood :)
[10:44] <holycow> but then i assumed the same of yo u:)
[10:44] <PhilH> holycow, there's belligerent and there's down right ignorant...
[10:44] <holycow> zoidberg, sec
[10:44] <holycow> PhilH, no, thats just you being a hater not a lover :)
[10:45] <PhilH> opexoc, sorry, tied up with something rather pointless
[10:45] <holycow> zoidberg, hard to say .. for intel vesa will work by default
[10:45] <THX-1138> Hi!  - If you two can't play nice together we are going to seperate you. -  lol
[10:45] <holycow> zoidberg, to be on the safe side, i would use that,then research our chipset and find out which module to select
[10:45] <holycow> probably i810 or whatever it is
[10:45] <holycow> and then just reconfigure your exserver and restart gdm to test
[10:45] <holycow> you can always go back to vesa as failsafe
[10:45] <PhilH> it appears that the file doesn't use the correct encoding to maintain the charachters used in the polish comments,  i don't think there's much you can do :(
[10:46] <holycow> pretty cool that your system still works when your vid driver is borked, eh?
[10:46] <MattJ100> Ok, I came here for help too
[10:46] <holycow> sure just ask
[10:46] <MattJ100> I've got the fglrx vs mesa problem
[10:47] <holycow> reinstall
[10:47] <PhilH> so, holycow, just to round off this dicus.....ument. do you now get the gist of my suggestion?
[10:47] <holycow> ?_>
[10:47] <jazzrocker> can i get grub to boot windows if windows is on /dev/hdb1 ?
[10:47] <MattJ100> What's the poing, I only just installed yesterday :)
[10:47] <MattJ100> *point
[10:47] <THX-1138> jazz - certainly you can.
[10:48] <jazzrocker> THX-1138, hmmm, so what would i use for grub, it says "unknown filesystem type"
[10:48] <holycow> PhilH, well if it was something like a helper icon in the panel
[10:48] <user-land> what do you use to watch a DVD ?
[10:48] <holycow> say of a food server in a tux holing up a platter
[10:48] <holycow> and popups offering suggestions based on what you are doing
[10:48] <THX-1138> It is possible to use ntloader to boot ubuntu also - tho that takes a lot more effort than using grub
[10:48] <holycow> i think that would be okay as long as we don't change the base behaviours
[10:48] <THX-1138> !grub
[10:48] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:48] <PhilH> i'm talking about a very large dialogue that pops up upon insertion of the device, quite possibly acompanied by a helper icon in the panel
[10:48] <holycow> that could be integrated into the help system, the wiki and the community as well
[10:49] <THX-1138> (suddenly looks confused falls back 5 yards and punts.)
[10:49] <holycow> and it could be also integrated int simplified 'linux 101' kind of tutorials
[10:49] <holycow> we are building our own tutorials for our staff via lcms... we were infact thinking about somethign similar
[10:49] <holycow> you could set the helper to novice, intermediate and shut the f up of course
[10:49] <holycow> :)
[10:50] <THX-1138> "lcms" = ?landing craft medium"?
[10:50] <PhilH> oooh, aren't you a helper, do you have that last setting? ;)
[10:50] <holycow> learning content management system
[10:50] <THX-1138> j/k
[10:50] <THX-1138> Ah, cool
[10:50] <MattJ100> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENODEV"
[10:50] <MattJ100> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[10:50] <jazzrocker> THX-1138, see i've got two disks, both 120G
[10:50] <PhilH> no, lazy crayfish massage service
[10:50] <holycow> zoidberg, i'm gonna crash soon, everythin goin okay?
[10:51] <balor> Is Xgl or aiglx the preferred option for Edgy?
[10:51] <jazzrocker> THX-1138, i installed Ubuntu on one with just that disk in the system as master. then i installed windows on the other with just that disk in the system as master
[10:51] <jazzrocker> THX-1138, so now i'm trying to boot my windows disk
[10:51] <opexoc> PhilH: ok thx...
[10:51] <zoidberg> one sec holycow
[10:51] <zoidberg> just one sec
[10:51] <PhilH> opexoc, i wish i could help further
[10:51] <holycow> balor, aiglx will probably be the default everywhere except suse and some bastard distros ... i thinkt hats whats happening in edgy too
[10:51] <balor> holycow: thanks
[10:52] <zoidberg> holycow, i hear the drumroll when the ubuntu login screen starts but i only see a BLUE BOX saying "Out of Scan Range"?
[10:52] <holycow> zoidberg, oh that may actually be your problem
[10:52] <holycow> lol!
[10:52] <holycow> well no not on nvidia
[10:52] <holycow> but this is easy
[10:52] <jazzrocker> THX-1138, this is what i have in grub.conf http://pastebin.ca/169971
[10:52] <jazzrocker> er, menu.1st
[10:52] <holycow> look up your monitor on the internet, and find the vertical and horizontal refresh rates
[10:52] <holycow> when you find them, put them into your xorg.conf file
[10:53] <holycow> somewhere along the line it input the wrong refresh rates ... maybe didn't properly detect your moni
[10:53] <zoidberg> but it was working fine before for the Intel card...that is what i'm trying to wrk here?
[10:53] <holycow> that will fix that
[10:53] <kendals> How do I get Opera 9 to make torrents START? I have the port set up and Opera says the port is good, but then it sits there in 'Transfers' with a torrent, and doesn't download or upload, despite heaps of seeds and peers!)?
[10:53] <holycow> zoidberg, it got changed somewhere while you were fiddling
[10:53] <THX-1138> jazzrocker - if your bios is set to boot from the first disk - lets say for example linux. if the /boot/grub directory is intact and the mbr is still set from the linux install you should be fine edit grub -  the windows partition as bootable.
[10:54] <jazzrocker> THX-1138, windows is on a comnpletely separate disk
[10:54] <jazzrocker> THX-1138, not just a separate partition... it's on slave for channel IDE channel 1
[10:54] <PhilH> jazzrocker, doesn't matter, grub can still boot it
[10:55] <jazzrocker> PhilH, ok, wonder why i got the filesystem error then
[10:55] <jazzrocker> but that's a random wild guess
[10:55] <jazzrocker> hehehe, i'm not making informed decisions here lol
[10:55] <THX-1138> the windows partition looks odd to me. - if it is xp. (it is xp isn't it?) the restore parttion or 7mbs of xp utils use the first partitions. -
[10:56] <zoidberg> holycow, now where do i find the refresh rateS?
[10:56] <jazzrocker> THX-1138, uhhh, i dunno, there is always 8m at the end
[10:56] <jazzrocker> THX-1138, yes it's XP
[10:56] <holycow> HorizSync
[10:57] <holycow> VertRefresh
[10:57] <holycow> xorg.conf
[10:57] <konrad1207> helo all, I have a problem with virtual terminals, when I try open lynx in terminal I got a message "Error opening terminal: xterm"
[10:57] <ahbe> hi all
[10:57] <jazzrocker> PhilH, sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows works fine
[10:57] <zoidberg> holycow, i mean where do i find the refresh rates for my monitor on the web?
[10:57] <jazzrocker> PhilH, so i know it's mountable
[10:58] <holycow> zoidberg, google
[10:58] <THX-1138> jazzrocker - fdisk -l   or gparted will show your partitions - from there i would use the samples shown in the link ubotu has.
[10:58] <THX-1138> !grub
[10:58] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:59] <THX-1138> apologies for not being more helpful.
[10:59] <jazzrocker> THX-1138, uhhh i read that link on the recovering one
[10:59] <kendals> 	How do I get Opera 9 to make torrents START? I have the port set up and Opera says the port is good, but then it sits there in 'Transfers' with a torrent, and doesn't download or upload, despite heaps of seeds and peers!)?
[10:59] <zoidberg> holycow, i think i'm fucked
[10:59] <jazzrocker> THX-1138, that's all for installing grub if your windows parition has overridden
[10:59] <zoidberg> i cant find it
[10:59] <ahbe> Help! Have a persisting problem with apt-get. Works with dhcp, but not with static ip. Access to inet is ok for both. dhcp has proxy, static ip not (afaik).
[10:59] <zoidberg> holycow, is there anything i can do to fix this?
[11:00] <holycow> zoidberg, yes, just find the refresh rates
[11:00] <holycow> input, restart gdm
[11:00] <holycow> done
[11:01] <holycow> if you get that error, its good, driver is working, its sending a signal to yoru moni
[11:01] <holycow> just at the wrong frequencies
[11:01] <konrad1207> holycow could you have a look at my problem?
[11:01] <zoidberg> but i cant FIND THE REFRESH RATES!!! i think i'm fucked
[11:01] <neil> I have GTk GUI I am useing a toggle button to indicate a program state, does anyone know how to make it ignore being clicked?
[11:01] <holycow> konrad1207, not sure, just ask
[11:01] <DBO> zoidberg, language
[11:01] <konrad1207> I asked
[11:02] <holycow> zoidberg, why not? what monitor do you ahve?
[11:02] <NthDegree> zoidberg, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I think
[11:02] <konrad1207> ok, I will ask again
[11:02] <DBO> zoidberg, run this command, sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[11:02] <konrad1207>  I have a problem with virtual terminals, when I try open lynx in terminal I got a message "Error opening terminal: xterm"
[11:02] <NthDegree> i think it's that to reconfigure X and it ASKS FOR REFRESH RATES
[11:02] <holycow> konrad1207, i don't know the answer to that, sorry, stick around someone will wake up and will know
[11:02] <DBO> zoidberg, if your monitor can tell you refresh rates, that command will get it
[11:02] <konrad1207> ok
[11:03] <zoidberg> holycow, it is a Gateway 2000 vivitron monitor
[11:03] <konrad1207> that's really annoying
[11:03] <Dani-buntu> any multisync users here?
[11:03] <holycow> zoidberg, you should easily be able to google that
[11:03] <PhilH> holycow, it's actually surprisingly difficult to find that kind of data on the web, especially if your monitor is of some obscure make
[11:03] <THX-1138> zoidberg - the FCC number and a quick search of FCC.gov will give you exact rates.   (using a low default number won't damage your monitor.)
[11:03] <holycow> PhilH, maybe, so far i've not found a monitor i couldn't google ... mayb ei have way too much time on my hands
[11:03] <ahbe> Help! Have a persisting problem with apt-get. Works with dhcp, but not with static ip. Access to inet is ok for both. dhcp has proxy, static ip not (afaik).
[11:03] <PhilH> ok, so Gateway 2000 sounds like it should be easier though
[11:04] <holycow> ahbe, did you setup up your gateway properly?
[11:04] <holycow> is your gatweay a router that handles dns? if not you may need to input dns settings as well
[11:04] <holycow> !dns
[11:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:05] <THX-1138> !bind
[11:05] <ubotu> bind: Internet Domain Name Server. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:8.4.6-1 (dapper), package size 888 kB, installed size 2092 kB
[11:05] <THX-1138> pfft!
[11:05] <Nameeater> what could be a reason ubuntu cant detect a network card I know debian detected? :/
[11:06] <THX-1138> Nameeater - WiFi or wired card?
[11:06] <Nameeater> ethernet PCI
[11:07] <usuarioMadrile> Eshter
[11:07] <THX-1138> Nameeater - sudo lspci will show you the manufacturer id string and lsmod will show you what the kernel has loaded. - i know just enough to be dangerous...
[11:07] <holycow> HorizSync 31-70
[11:07] <holycow> VertRefresh 50-75
[11:08] <holycow> that doesn't look right but you can try those zoidberg
[11:08] <Nameeater> not a thing :|
[11:08] <THX-1138> google any likely match to narrow the possiblities for the driver you need.
[11:08] <holycow> http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~kellyann/desktop/monitorspecs.html
[11:08] <holycow> there is another page
[11:08] <usuarioMadrile> Ester cobo avalos
[11:08] <phillipc> is there a good lightweight editor for ruby on gnome? I'd like to use something like gedit, but I don't think gedit can do indentation
[11:08] <holycow> donno, took a few seconds to find some candidates
[11:09] <holycow> hoepfully those are your models
[11:09] <churrimandurri> buenos dias a todo el mundo
[11:09] <usuarioMadrile> Asprogrades
[11:09] <THX-1138> sudo lspci     ls = list   pci =  pci bus   lsmod = list loaded kernel modules.
[11:10] <Nameeater> aye, but it prints nothing at all
[11:10] <Nameeater> maybe I've broken the card
[11:10] <THX-1138> !ethernet
[11:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ethernet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:10] <THX-1138> !ubotu you are an Amnesiac
[11:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you are an Amnesiac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:11] <ti2net> hello
[11:11] <frying_fish> anyone else having problems with checkinstall 1.6.0 in that you can't alter the "requires" options, so it fails on trying to build the package as its put some weird defaults of "%{name}_ foo" in it?
[11:11] <kling0n> any way to test, if my "super" button (windows button) is working correctly?
[11:12] <THX-1138> !ubotu ethernet is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87643
[11:12] <ti2net> I have a problem installing ubuntu on an emac
[11:12] <ti2net> somebody can help me ?????
[11:12] <aussiedini> join #ubuntu-au
[11:12] <ti2net> HELP
[11:15] <holycow> zoidberg, any luck?
[11:16] <AbortD> is there a p2p program out for ubuntu and not involving torrents?
[11:16] <AbortD> !p2p
[11:16] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network). BitTorrent: see !torrent Direct connect: try valknut
[11:17] <AbortD> !frostwire
[11:17] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:17] <THX-1138> holycow - aw zoidberg left.
[11:17] <holycow> THX-1138, indeed
[11:17] <holycow> THX-1138, i found a great great article today that crystalized all my experience with users thus far
[11:18] <holycow> lemme see if i can find it
[11:18] <THX-1138> holycow - Dilbert?
[11:18] <ti2net> Hello poeple, I really need help, I tryed the UBUNTU livecd mon my emac, it boots fine, I even heard the chime but the screen is black
[11:18] <THX-1138> j/k - i was trying to be funny
[11:19] <neil> I have GTk GUI I am useing a toggle button to indicate a program state, does anyone know how to make it ignore being clicked?
[11:19] <THX-1138> ti2net - i don't have an answer. would ubotu have a helpful link?
[11:20] <maddin> hello everyone!
[11:20] <THX-1138> !macintosh
[11:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about macintosh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:20] <THX-1138> !mac
[11:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:20] <holycow> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=15811
[11:20] <Mase> hey all
[11:20] <alucard> oh man
[11:20] <alucard> i just installed ubuntu today.. any tips
[11:21] <holycow> i disagree with the authors assumption about the distribution of particular learning styles
[11:21] <Mase> wondering how i get the smb shares on the desktop to be seen from inside gimp
[11:21] <holycow> but he is dead on as to where we are right now
[11:21] <holycow> thats not to say someone cannot fulfill what he predicts is required, infact i guess ubuntu is trying to do it intelligently
[11:21] <Mase> alucard: what kind of tips ?
[11:22] <maddin> i got some problems in installing a shared windows printer with ubuntu. can anyone give me some tips, please?
[11:22] <holycow> but i think we will need to at a certain point stand back and go 'okay, lets divide up the herd and really understand who we are going after'
[11:22] <alucard> well...installing macromedia would help
[11:22] <PhilH> holycow, from the article it sounds like he's had his head in a bucket of sand since mandrake 7
[11:22] <holycow> some demographics just aren't worth going after imho
[11:22] <alucard> i'm so happy with this os
[11:22] <THX-1138> holycow - so true. - making linux fit like a glove is one of it's many attractions but not something for everyone.
[11:22] <Mase> alucard: what is macromedia ?
[11:22] <alucard> flash..
[11:23] <holycow> PhilH, i agree only up to a point .. i think his assumption is too narrow but the basic idea is correct
[11:23] <PhilH> he doesn't seem to grasp the that that Desktop Linux is evolving almost entirely to suit the needs of the idiot at the moment
[11:23] <holycow> we are NOT realizing learning styles is the key
[11:23] <holycow> THX-1138, yup.  it just became so clear after reading this
[11:23] <PhilH> holycow, who is we?
[11:23] <Mase> alucard: check out the macromedia web site. i don't think flash is foss software so i doubt it ships in ubuntu
[11:23] <holycow> users don't really care.  its not what the tool does for them
[11:23] <theshibboleth> Right now I have a Samba and a Netatalk share hosted on a computer running Ubntu that can be accessed over a wireless LAN. I would like to access either of these shares from a client computer connected with FireWire. How do I do this?
[11:23] <holycow> its what the tool does in a familiar fashion
[11:24] <alucard> yeah there are some tips on the manual install but it said that it should auto install on the ubuntu wiki but it didn't work
[11:24] <holycow> its 'familiarity' that drives the entire purchasing process for a rather large segment
[11:24] <PhilH> ....... who are WE?
[11:24] <holycow> PhilH, blanket statement ... perhaps a better way of phrasing it is we aren't doing the requisite market research and figuring out the various subdemographics
[11:25] <PhilH> followed by another WHO ARE WE?
[11:25] <holycow> PhilH, clearly not you.
[11:25] <PhilH> obviously not
[11:25] <holycow> why do you even bother talking to me? you knkow i won't make your life easy
[11:25] <holycow> and your not bright enough to really put me in my place either :)
[11:25] <PhilH> you can't expect to speak for the research departments of every single linux distribution in existence
[11:25] <cafuego> Mary Tyler Moore!
[11:26] <opexoc> Does anybody recommend some vimrc file on internet which will be good to read/modify "c" and "cpp" files?
[11:26] <holycow> PhilH, sure, but your just being pedantic for no particular reason
[11:26] <THX-1138> cafuego - Heya!  - can you help theshib with his networking question?
[11:26] <theshibboleth> So basically, how do I manually set an IP address for a netwrok device?
[11:26] <ptenf> Hi all. I think I found a problem with the libdbd-mysql-perl package in dapper. I refuses to let me connect to a mysql database through perl, always gives me access denied. If someone could doublecheck this I can report it. If you need a perl script to connect with send me a pm
[11:27] <holycow> theshibboleth, syhstem / admint /networking
[11:27] <cafuego> THX-1138: Not currently, I'm about to be whisked away to dinner.
[11:27] <PhilH> holycow, no, i'm really not, i'm trying to make you understand that WE as a whole are probably not missing the point, you may feel Ubuntu is but that's not to say that it's the same story with every linux distribution
[11:27] <THX-1138> theshib - Ah Okay, - psst thank you for keeping ubotu healthy.
[11:28] <THX-1138> er - cafuego i meant to say.
[11:28] <cafuego> THX-1138: not mine anymore
[11:28] <cafuego> not for ages
[11:29] <THX-1138> cafuego - You made him indespensable
[11:29] <tristan__> hi all
[11:29] <ti2net> getting crazy
[11:30] <AbortD> !frostwire
[11:30] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:30] <PhilH> either he's writing a small essay to explain why i'm wrong and the latest flamebait article to hit OSnews is perfectly valid or, and i'm not expecting this to be the case but i suppose we can hope, he's shut up
[11:30] <holycow> PhilH, lol, your so easy to bait
[11:30] <holycow> its too fun to shutup
[11:30] <holycow> why would i EVERY do that?
[11:31] <PhilH> why would you EVERY do that?
[11:31] <ti2net> gtk-gnutella
[11:31] <holycow> i recommend you use your purdy little ignore button, you know, since i really never asked you to talk to me in the first place
[11:31] <ti2net> nobody knows about ubuntu on emac ?
[11:31] <ti2net> :'(
[11:31] <PhilH> ti2net, i sent you a query
[11:32] <THX-1138> ti2net - It sounds like you are very close too. - you heard the system chime and everything.
[11:32] <ti2net> ???
[11:33] <ti2net> it boots fine but no display :|
[11:34] <Mystic8277> does anyone know where ScummVM installs to by default?
[11:34] <vbgunz> I am trying to build monodevelop... I built all source packages but am getting stuck on the final package... I am getting this error: Can't find "gmcs" in your PATH
[11:34] <vbgunz> any one know what this means?
[11:35] <tdn> How do I enable the rsync daemon? Right now I can only run rsync over SSH. I am on a trusted network and would like to run rsync without the SSH overhead.
[11:35] <alucard> oh man i thought you said n'syn
[11:35] <alucard> c
[11:35] <holycow> alucard, hehe
[11:35] <holycow> nsync daemon
[11:35] <holycow> indeed
[11:35] <theshibboleth> What I'm trying to do with FireWire networking doesn't seem to be working. Is there a how-to somewhere?
[11:35] <THX-1138> ti2net - let me say first i don't own a mac. - Can you still boot OS 10? - i wonder if you might peek at the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and compare it to others in the ubuntu forum
[11:36] <opexoc> Could anybody show me where can I download some vimrc file which allow to colour the syntax of languages as C or C++ or Bash scripts... ?
[11:36] <ti2net> Yeah, I boot OS 10, the problem with ubuntu seems to be xorg
[11:36] <tdn> I have tried starting the rsync daemon by writing /etc/init.d/rsync start, but it has no /etc/rsync.conf. Why is there no default /etc/rsync.conf?
[11:37] <vbgunz> I am trying to build monodevelop... I am getting this error: Can't find "gmcs" in your PATH
[11:37] <vbgunz> can someone help!?
[11:37] <vbgunz> heh sorry for the !
[11:38] <xopher> vbgunz, well you might not have all the dependencies satisfied
[11:38] <ootput> are you _really_ sorry?
[11:39] <xopher> try running apt-get build-dep monodevelop
[11:40] <vbgunz> xopher: I did this and followed the order in which to build the 5 packages: sudo apt-get build-dep [1|2|3|4] ... they all seemed to go through without error... *but* when I got to the last package monodevelop itself, I got that error
[11:41] <PhilH> opexoc, have you tried the syntax on command?
[11:41] <Kanzie> anyone knows where I can update the kernel to support dual-core easily? I have Dapper
[11:42] <AbortD> how do i uninstall a .deb?
[11:42] <JoseStefan> !info linux-686-smp
[11:42] <ubotu> linux-686-smp: Complete Linux kernel on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.. In component restricted, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS> (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 52 kB
[11:42] <xopher> vbgunz, what do you mean? the build-dep command gets the dependencies required to build a program. then you need to apt-get source -b monodevelop
[11:42] <erUSUL> !kernel > Kanzie
[11:42] <vbgunz> AbortD: sudo apt-ger get remove debname
[11:42] <DexterF> hi
[11:42] <AbortD> vbgunz: thanks
[11:42] <JoseStefan> Kanzie find that package in synaptic
[11:42] <xopher> AbortD, apt-get remove, not apt-ger ;)
[11:42] <opexoc> PhilH: ha! you are right... but it is not exactly what I want, because I want to have numerated every line... Do you know how can I do it?
[11:43] <vbgunz> heh, yeah, listen to xopher :)
[11:43] <vbgunz> xopher, I'll try that..
[11:43] <maddin> can anybody tell me what it means when i get the error message "nt_status_access_denied" when i try to connect a windows shared network printer with ubuntu?
[11:43] <Kanzie> erUSUL: But the plain install of dapper does not configure the kernel for dual-core does it?
[11:43] <AbortD> lol
[11:43] <THX-1138> kanzie - there are preconfigured kernels  look for one with the suffix  linux-smp   symetric multiprocessor
[11:43] <Kanzie> linux-smp got it
[11:43] <JoseStefan> Kanzie linux-686-smp
[11:44] <PhilH> opexoc, set number ?
[11:44] <erUSUL> Kanzie: in teory yes, they have a patch called smp alternatives that let the kernel detect at runtime an smp systemand run in "dual core" mode or y up if there is only one cpu
[11:44] <THX-1138> what was that command that uses uname to grab the right kernel?
[11:45] <AbortD> it's telling me it cant find the file
[11:45] <vbgunz> xopher:  'cd monodevelop-0.10 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed... I am doomed :\
[11:45] <vbgunz> heh
[11:45] <xopher> AbortD, dont put the .deb there, put the packagename, eg gnome-screensaver not gnome-screensaver_1324.12-ubntu.dev
[11:46] <xopher> *deb
[11:46] <AbortD> k
[11:46] <opexoc> PhilH: I will try...
[11:46] <xopher> AbortD, if you dont know the exact name you can try searching: apt-cache search packagename
[11:46] <erUSUL> THX-1138: uname -r
[11:46] <vbgunz> AbortD: you're probably using a different name... try looking for the package in Synaptic. You can remove it from Synaptic *but* also, you can get the right name if you wish
[11:46] <AbortD> saying it couldnt find frostwire
[11:46] <xopher> AbortD, and you can use synaptic for this too
[11:46] <AspireRC_>
[11:47] <xopher> for a graphical interface
[11:47] <JoseStefan> !frostfire
[11:47] <vbgunz>
[11:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about frostfire - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:47] <erUSUL> !cn
[11:47] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[11:47] <JoseStefan> oops
[11:47] <JoseStefan> !frostwire
[11:47] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:47] <AbortD> thanks all
[11:47] <xopher> vbgunz, theres no debianized version of that?
[11:47] <AbortD>  i wish i could find a decent p2p
[11:48] <elkbuntu> guys, how can i get openoffice to not die when using an asian language pack? it's getting annoying to get screenshots for someone when i cant even understand the errors :P
[11:48] <mneptok> dum dee dee
[11:48] <PhilH> opexoc, any luck with :set number ?
[11:48] <xopher> and vbgunz, the 0.10 is in the repos?
[11:48] <AbortD> !p2p
[11:48] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network). BitTorrent: see !torrent Direct connect: try valknut
[11:48] <vbgunz> xopher, not official
[11:48] <AbortD> !GTK-Gnutella
[11:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about GTK-Gnutella - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:48] <JoseStefan> no ed2k?
[11:49] <JoseStefan> !ed2k
[11:49] <vbgunz> xopher: I think the latest has support for cpython, at least better support (I think)
[11:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ed2k - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:49] <xopher> ok
[11:49] <mypapit> !ntfs
[11:49] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[11:49] <opexoc> PhilH: wait...
[11:49] <AbortD> !edonkey
[11:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about edonkey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:50] <AbortD> :(
[11:50] <javiolo> hi
[11:50] <javiolo> how can I use tapes on ubuntu ?
[11:50] <JoseStefan> there are clients, just no factoids about it
[11:50] <DexterF> !help
[11:50] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[11:51] <erUSUL> javiolo: man tar ?? man cpio ?? amanda ??
[11:51] <PhilH> !microsoft
[11:51] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[11:51] <AbortD> !NVU
[11:51] <PhilH> heh
[11:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about NVU - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <vbgunz> xopher how does build source differ from build dep?
[11:51] <PhilH> !canonical
[11:51] <ubotu> Canonical Ltd. is committed to the development, distribution and promotion of open source software products, and to providing tools and support to the open source community. It is the driving force behind the Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu Operating Systems. Canonical's website is at http://www.canonical.com/
[11:52] <xopher> vbgunz, well apt-get source -b gets the source from the repo. so It wouldnt be the one you want..
[11:52] <xopher> but build-dep should take care of the dependencies
[11:52] <javiolo> erUSUL I never used tapes, just found a serv with tapes on it
[11:52] <vbgunz> :\
[11:52] <xopher> if you still get the same error though, yuo could try searching for the package and install it
[11:52] <xopher> whatever its name was
[11:52] <opexoc> PhilH: yee... you are right... thanks:)
[11:52] <THX-1138> elkbuntu -  strace  or /var/log/message    maybe???
[11:53] <vbgunz> am trying again... else hopefully 6.10 has it :)
[11:53] <xopher> vbgunz, gmcs?
[11:53] <vbgunz> yeah that was the error
[11:53] <THX-1138> gmacs?
[11:53] <erUSUL> javiolo: neither i, but i know that tar is Tape ARchiver....
[11:53] <vbgunz> no, gmcs
[11:53] <AbortD> is there any good webpage editors like dreamweaver?
[11:53] <PhilH> opexoc, glad i could help
[11:53] <xopher> vbgunz, theres a packaged called mono-gmcs, try installing it
[11:53] <vbgunz> ok, will try right this next failure :)
[11:53] <THX-1138> nvu - is good. never used dreamweaver before
[11:53] <javiolo> erUSUL ok how can I see if the tape is mounted ?
[11:54] <PhilH> AbortD: that's not a good webpage editor
[11:54] <holycow> AbortD, the closest you will get is quanta +
[11:54] <PhilH> AbortD: you should pick up something like bluefish or screem
[11:54] <maddin> !printer
[11:54] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:54] <vbgunz> xopher: hopefully just one more question... how do you search for a package from apt-get? can you do it?
[11:54] <xopher> apt-cache search
[11:54] <AbortD> yes NVU i was trying to find that
[11:54] <elkbuntu> THX-1138, how is strace supposed to help get openoffice to load up?
[11:54] <AbortD> where can i find nvu?
[11:54] <vbgunz> xopher: nice
[11:54] <holycow> but it is very crashy ... and its code preview requires that you setup apache ... because it will send the code out to apache to render out so you can view your layouts
[11:55] <DexterF> ubotu: windows printers > me
[11:55] <PhilH> AbortD: NVU is usable but WYSIWYG isn't an ideal choice for that kind of thing
[11:55] <holycow> dreamy litterally uses the ie render engine for all of dreamy, thats how they do it
[11:55] <AbortD> WYSIWYG?
[11:55] <THX-1138> elkubuntu - I was just hoping it would give you more information about what was happening.
[11:55] <PhilH> AbortD: Bluefish is excellent as an additional editor
[11:55] <dpupp> is there a way for me to set some changes to modprobe so i dont have to do it every time i boot my pc? for example, i want to do: "rmmod saa7134_alsa saa7134" ...and then... "sudo modprobe saa7134 card=1 tuner=54 oss=1" but i dont want to do that every time i boot.... ideas?
[11:55] <Almindor> why isn't webmin in packages at all? is there a particular reason or simply, nobody added it yet?
[11:55] <elkbuntu> What You See Is What You Get
[11:55] <holycow> AbortD, mostly yes, but not really you need to know code
[11:55] <DexterF> shouldn't that have told the bot to tell me about windows printers..?
[11:55] <PhilH> !WYSIWYG
[11:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about WYSIWYG - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:56] <AbortD> holycow: what are you talking about?
[11:56] <dpupp> i mean, ii dont want to do that manually... auto is good.
[11:56] <PhilH> AbortD: best not ask
[11:56] <holycow> AbortD, you asked, i answered
[11:56] <AbortD> i want nvu :(
[11:57] <holycow> its' free
[11:57] <AbortD> where is it?
[11:57] <AbortD> that is my question
[11:57] <holycow> just download and click on the binary
[11:57] <holycow> or search the repo it should be in there
[11:57] <vbgunz> is bluefish a WYSIWYG editor? I thought it was a syntax editor?
[11:57] <holycow> nope vbgunz
[11:57] <PhilH> AbortD, can you see any additional chat tabs that have appeared?
[11:57] <javiolo> !debfoster
[11:57] <ubotu> debfoster is a command to weed unnecessary .deb packages. See http://www.fruit.eu.org/debfoster/
[11:58] <elkbuntu> THX-1138, im not ubergeeky enough to understand the output ;)
[11:58] <vbgunz> holycow: it is a syntax editor?
[11:58] <holycow> pretty much
[11:58] <vbgunz> holycow: ahh... I'll stick with SciTE?
[11:58] <THX-1138> dpupp - System - sessions - Star up programs ??
[11:58] <javiolo> !repos
[11:58] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:58] <holycow> well its open source, i don't see why you can't install it and try it
[11:58] <PhilH> AbortD, are you still there?
[11:59] <AbortD> yeah
[11:59] <AbortD> i msged u back
[11:59] <PhilH> ah
[11:59] <dpupp> THX modprob can be done that way?
[11:59] <AbortD> hm
[11:59] <tp76> Any idea on how to prevent SATA disks from spinning down on reboot?
[12:00] <PhilH> AbortD, open a terminal window and type
[12:00] <PhilH> sudo apt-get install nvu
[12:00] <AbortD> didnt know i could get it with apt-get :P
[12:00] <THX-1138> dpupp - erm - you caught me. - i don't know for sure. but if it works during your user session now it should work do you think?
[12:01] <dpupp> true. hmm
[12:01] <PhilH> AbortD, now do the same for bluefish
[12:01] <CyberSky> ehmm
[12:01] <AbortD> how good is bluefish?
[12:01] <mneptok> Bluefish > Nvu
[12:01] <PhilH> it's an excellent editor beginners, lots of shortcuts
[12:01] <PhilH> just install it and uninstall it if you don't like it later
[12:01] <elkbuntu> last time i used it, it had a memory leak, but i'd guarantee it's better now
[12:02] <mneptok> Nvu is WYSIWYG, Bluefish is not
[12:02] <AbortD> what is WYSIWYG?
[12:02] <PhilH> but Bluefish has lots of built in hand holding and shortcuts
[12:02] <mneptok> What You See Is What You Get
[12:02] <THX-1138> What you see is what you get
[12:02] <PhilH> What You See Is What you get
[12:02] <AbortD> oh
[12:02] <tp76> Which never really works in practice.
[12:02] <morda> hi, i'm looking for dapper livecd, can't find it here http://www.ubuntu.com/download, any ideas?
[12:02] <PhilH> indeed
[12:02] <THX-1138> Echo echo echo
[12:02] <mneptok> morda: it's there
[12:03] <tchung> I think they have combined the two into one, is that right?
[12:03] <elkbuntu> quanta+ is good if you use kde or dont mind qt libraries in gnome
[12:03] <javiolo> morda download the desktop cd, its a livecd
[12:03] <PhilH> otherwise go for Screem or Bluefish, install both so you can decide for yourself
[12:03] <mneptok> tchung: "desktop" is now the LiveCD and grpahical installer and "alternate" is what the install CD used to be
[12:03] <tchung> Thenks, mneptok
[12:03] <morda> whichone is install cd then?
[12:04] <mneptok> morda: "desktop" is now the LiveCD and graphical installer and "alternate" is what the install CD used to be
[12:04] <morda> ok, thanks for help guys
[12:05] <PhilH> !livecd
[12:05] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[12:05] <Assassin5> off topic, I know but: does anyone know where I can find hardware diagrams for a Compaq Armada 100s laptop?
[12:06] <mneptok> PhilH: do you really need all this bot output or are you playing?
[12:06] <frogzoo> Assassin5: sure, google
[12:06] <PhilH> i just wanted to know if we could have asked the bot
[12:06] <mneptok> PhilH: all that stuff works in /msg, too
[12:06] <frogzoo> PhilH: you can /msg the bot & play around
[12:06] <PhilH> and, as it turns out, we could
[12:06] <PhilH> ah, will do, thanks guys
[12:06] <frogzoo> !botabuse
[12:06] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[12:07] <Assassin5> frogzoo, already tried that, only found the 110
[12:08] <alucard> oh hey
[12:08] <alucard> can i get some assistance with manual flash install
[12:08] <AbortD> move the 2 files to the plugin folder?
[12:08] <AbortD> then your done
[12:09] <mneptok> alucard: why not just install via Synaptic?
[12:09] <mneptok> (or apt-get)
[12:09] <Krpano> anyone on a Core Duo here ?
[12:09] <mneptok> Krpano: my laptop is
[12:10] <Krpano> do you have the 686 kernel installed ?
[12:10] <mneptok> no
[12:10] <mneptok> there were problems so i reverted to a stock i386
[12:10] <alucard> well I just tried to do it through mozilla
[12:10] <Krpano> what kind of prob ?
[12:10] <alucard> so I guess I could try synaptic
[12:10] <mneptok> alucard: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[12:11] <mneptok> Krpano: mounting the root fs at boot took more than 90 seconds
[12:11] <Krpano> mneptok, i see, for me here is ok....but i cant get the nvidia kernel module to work with the 686
[12:11] <erUSUL> javiolo: afaics, you do not mount tapes you access them with the apropiate programs (pointing them to the apropiate /dev/)
[12:12] <JoseStefan> gtg
[12:12] <alucard> I'm not sure what you're saying mneptok
[12:12] <mneptok> alucard: copy and paste that command into a terminal
[12:12] <javiolo> erUSUL ok the programs are... ?
[12:12] <alucard> then again I'm not sure that was correct grammar at all on my part, good ol' 3 am..
[12:12] <Krpano> everytime i change the default "nv" to Nvidia i get an error loading X
[12:12] <alucard> ah ok
[12:13] <mneptok> Krpano: did you install the driver?
[12:13] <dang`r`us> hello there. If I need a version of swig that is newer than the one supplied in dapper, what steps should I take?
[12:13] <Krpano> mneptok, nvidia-glx ?
[12:13] <mneptok> dang`r`us: download, ./configure, make, sudo make install
[12:13] <mneptok> Krpano: yeah, that's what i use on my desktop at home. but that's AMD64 and works well.
[12:14] <alucard> Ugh freaking terminal is asking me for a password
[12:14] <erUSUL> javiolo: http://www.ictp.trieste.it/~radionet/nuc1996/ref/howto-html/scsi-howto-8.html
[12:14] <dang`r`us> mneptok, I like my system as managed as possible - could I not pick up the edgy package?
[12:14] <dang`r`us> stuff like this works in debian, but I'm not sure how well it would in ubuntu ...
[12:14] <erUSUL> javiolo: http://www.washington.edu/computing/unix/tapes.html
[12:14] <Krpano> mneptok, yes its installed but it seems the 686 wont work with it....the 386 is working properly (even with XGL on it)
[12:14] <javiolo> erUSUL thanks!
[12:14] <mneptok> dang`r`us: if you are 100% positive that the new version has no dependencies absent from Dapper, i guess.
[12:15] <alucard> wtf is with the password timeout in terminal
[12:15] <alucard> it gives you like .4 seconds to write it
[12:15] <alucard> then it's like NO.
[12:15] <Krpano> mneptok, do you know if there is any performance improvement between 686 and 386  ?
[12:16] <dang`r`us> mneptok, well, apt would resolve them, question is, does that make sense ...
[12:16] <dang`r`us> oh well.
[12:16] <mneptok> Krpano: yes, as the 686 kernel takes advantage of MMX, HT, and other stuff not found in CPUs pre-Pentium
[12:16] <Krpano> arghh
[12:16] <midas> hi all
[12:16] <Krpano> so i must make it work.....:(
[12:16] <erUSUL> javiolo: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Backup#Using_Tapes_as_a_Backup_Media
[12:17] <mneptok> Krpano: you could try the nVidia binary blob ..
[12:17] <Krpano> mneptok what os that ?
[12:17] <Krpano> is*
[12:17] <mneptok> uhhh ...  -- I know that some packages once installed.. are a pain to remove (Kde-BASE for instance), should COMPIZ/XGL install/remove like any other window manager in synaptic?
[12:20] <mneptok> alucard: if you get the Canonical night shift guy when he's bored, you're in extra luck. ;)
[12:20] <drbashir> of what package is stdlib.h part of?
[12:20] <THX-1138> alucard -going to the kitchen for another cup of coffee would you like a cup?
[12:21] <alucard> yes most definitely..
[12:21] <alucard> that's what french presses are best for
[12:21] <alucard> not sleeping.
[12:22] <mathieu> drbashir: use packages.ubuntu.com to find out
[12:22] <dpupp> how do i pass options to modprobe for a module called saa7134 to take effect every time the system boots? id like to add some options but dont know where...
[12:23] <THX-1138> XGL/Compiz seem to work but crash after only a couple of minutes.  Does anyone know why they cause system lock?
[12:24] <THX-1138> dpupp - is that a tuner card?
[12:24] <yakumo> can i share my internet connection in my other pc using windows???
[12:24] <mneptok> dpupp: /boot/grub/menu/lst
[12:25] <dpupp> card=1 tuner=43
[12:25] <mneptok> err
[12:25] <mneptok> dpupp: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:25] <dpupp> err 54
[12:25] <octan_> hi all
[12:25] <octan_> is ther a 64 bit version?
[12:25] <mneptok> octan_: no. it's only listed on the download page in order to fool people.
[12:26] <mneptok> octan_: all the downloads you see for Ubuntu/AMD64 actually result in floppy images for OS/2 2.1
[12:26] <mneptok> crazy, huh?
[12:26] <MattJ> I thought they were Windows ISOs.... doh
[12:26] <THX-1138> this has some info - http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Saa7134-alsa   - my internal tuner just picks up too much interference.
[12:26] <octan_> :P
[12:27] <alucard> man that robots game that comes with the system
[12:27] <alucard> is the weirdest fucking game ever.
[12:27] <MattJ> lol
[12:27] <ootput> are there svn snapshots of mpd for dapper?
[12:28] <alucard> what's a good radio station for rythm?
[12:28] <MattJ> xorg.0.log:
[12:28] <MattJ> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENODEV"
[12:28] <MattJ> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[12:28] <MattJ> I'm trying to install the fglrx drivers for ATI Radeon 9550
[12:29] <Ash-Fox> !ati
[12:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:29] <MattJ> but the mesa drivers won't go away
[12:29] <yakumo> im using ubuntu can i share my internet connection on the other pc which run in windows???
[12:29] <whazilla> how do i fix the issue xgl has with my laptop keyboard ?
[12:29] <Ash-Fox> whazilla, what issue?
[12:29] <MattJ> Ash-Fox: I've read that page, and every forum thread there is
[12:29] <whazilla> or the issue about vmware having no display to host
[12:29] <whazilla> Ash-Fox &"'(!
[12:30] <whazilla> |@#{[^{}
[12:30] <Ash-Fox> Mattj, it worked for me.
[12:30] <MattJ> You had that same error?
[12:30] <whazilla> THOSE KEYS ARE MISSING
[12:30] <alucard> yakumo...yeah......
[12:30] <MattJ> xf86_ENODEV?
[12:30] <whazilla> on my laptop keyboard since i installed xgl
[12:30] <yakumo> can u help me how to share my internet connection?
[12:30] <Ash-Fox> whazilla, sounds like you didn't setup your keyboard correctly, run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[12:30] <alucard> ...do you have a router..?
[12:31] <whazilla> thkx fox
[12:31] <Ash-Fox> I'm not sure if xgl is configured seperately for keyboard settings.
[12:31] <yakumo> i don't have a router but i have a switch/hub
[12:31] <alucard> usb or ethernet?
[12:31] <Ash-Fox> Then again, xgl isn't a standard package in ubuntu... So...
[12:31] <alucard> shouldnt matter
[12:31] <alucard> you should just be able to plug it in
[12:31] <elkbuntu> !xgl
[12:31] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[12:31] <alucard> and go.
[12:31] <yakumo> ethernet
[12:31] <alucard> yeah you should just be able to plug it in
[12:32] <alucard> and ride the snake
[12:32] <AbortD> is p2p impossible in ubuntu or something?
[12:32] <Ash-Fox> AbortD, ICQ works fine, and it's p2p.
[12:32] <elkbuntu> AbortD, what type of p2p are you after? gnutella network or torrenting?
[12:32] <Ash-Fox> Skype does too, and it's p2p.
[12:32] <AbortD> gnutella i cant get torrents
[12:32] <THX-1138> XGL is bleeding edge. - it should be ready for prime time soon tho. - cmpmgr is solid though.
[12:32] <yakumo> do i need to create my ubuntu as a server to share network intern
[12:32] <Alucard> shouldn't need to
[12:33] <Ash-Fox> XGL is alpha software, so don't expect it to be usable.
[12:33] <Alucard> voooooooodooooooo
[12:33] <mneptok> AbortD: sudo apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[12:33] <yakumo> i also want to network my ubuntu and windows pc
[12:33] <mneptok> AbortD: sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[12:33] <AbortD> i cant download torrents
[12:33] <jokester> hi ppl. having problem with evolution. when I try to send mail (smtp) it gives an rcpt to <com> syntax error in parameter or arguments error. any ideas ?
[12:33] <yakumo> i also want to network my ubuntu and windows pc to share file
[12:33] <Alucard> how to network on linux i have no idea.
[12:33] <mneptok> AbortD: sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[12:33] <PhilH> is there a package in the standard repos for JRE?
[12:33] <Alucard> I'm a linux n00000b
[12:33] <yakumo> oic
[12:33] <yakumo> thnks
[12:33] <AbortD> mneptok: why bittornado?
[12:34] <DJGummikuh> hey in /proc what does "loadavg" have for the last 2 values?
[12:34] <erUSUL> PhilH: yes
[12:34] <mneptok> PhilH: Multiverse, iirc. maybe Universe
[12:34] <erUSUL> !java > PhilH
[12:34] <Ash-Fox> yakumo, open up gnome's filemanager and type in smb://<ip address of windows computer>
[12:34] <DJGummikuh> the first three are loads in 1 5 and 15 minutes but the last 2 I don't understand
[12:34] <idefix_> is it possible to run google-earth in linux already?
[12:34] <DJGummikuh> idefix_: yes
[12:34] <mneptok> AbortD: because .... uhhhh ... you want to download torrents?
[12:34] <MattJ> yakumo: Use samba for sharing files, and you need a proxy if you don't have a router
[12:34] <Ash-Fox> idefix_, yes
[12:34] <elkbuntu> how can i get openoffice to actually load with chinese or japanese language packs?
[12:34] <AbortD> i can NOT download them :)
[12:34] <tuxedup> does anyone know of any standalown clients similar to the allpeers firefox extension?  The same king of systen?
[12:34] <MattJ> The proxy needs to be on the PC with internet access
[12:34] <Ash-Fox> idefix_, you can get it from the PLF repositories for ubuntu,
[12:34] <Pyru> Im curious how using ssh/telnet (putty) to upload a directory!
[12:34] <Ash-Fox> !plf
[12:34] <ubotu> plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[12:35] <Alucard> LMAO
[12:35] <Alucard> penguin liberation front
[12:35] <PhilH> well, i guess we should direct AbortD to the java package and the frostwire packages
[12:35] <mneptok> AbortD: if you install (that's right) BitTornado you can download torrents. unless your ISP blocks them.
[12:35] <Alucard> do they like throw molotov cocktails at microsoft offices?
[12:35] <AbortD> my isp blocks them :)
[12:35] <Alucard> Alf style.
[12:35] <mneptok> AbortD: sudo apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[12:35] <Pyru> Can someone help me I'm trying to upload a directory using putty whats the command or how i go about doing it
[12:35] <THX-1138> MattJ - Will firestarter firewall install a proxy for you?
[12:35] <AbortD> im in it now trying to figure it out ;)
[12:36] <MattJ> No idea :) I've never had to set one up on linux before
[12:36] <erUSUL> THX-1138: no
[12:36] <erUSUL> THX-1138: but it can configure inet sharing
[12:37] <erUSUL> Pyru: scp ??
[12:37] <AbortD> can i search for only audio so i dont get no anal fuck scenes and dumb shit?
[12:37] <mneptok> AbortD: RTFM
[12:37] <erUSUL> !language > AbortD
[12:37] <AbortD> RTFM?
[12:38] <Pyru> erUSUL urmmm
[12:38] <mneptok> Read The Fine Manual
[12:38] <ootput> being picky with pirated material?
[12:39] <THX-1138> Aw, - be nice guys this is #Ubuntu humanity to others channel not #Debian. - rtfm - sheesh.
[12:39] <MattJ> I'll be in #Debian soon if I don't get this graphics problem sorted
[12:40] <mneptok> THX-1138: it's also not #teach_me_to_use_p2p_apps_so_i_can_download_music
[12:40] <ootput> don't bring up "Ubuntu" while in there, mkay?
[12:40] <yakumo> can i use wine to install windows game ob ubuntu??
[12:40] <MattJ> lol, it won't be installed by the time I get there