[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:00] <slyon> o/
[15:00] <bdmurray> o/
[15:00] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[15:00] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning Round
[15:01] <dbungert> o/
[15:01] <bdmurray> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox doko sil2100 rbalint mwhudson juliank waveform slyon jawnsmith dbungert)
[15:01] <bdmurray> mwhudson dbungert slyon sil2100 bdmurray vorlon rbalint jawnsmith juliank waveform xnox doko
[15:01] <dbungert> (2 week edition)
[15:01] <dbungert> * LP: #1919251 - fix locale/interactive sessions / serial update - finish/merge
[15:01] <dbungert> * LP: #1925048 - commit workaround.  Forcing a crash in other areas
[15:01] <dbungert>   doesn't trigger this though, so how do we get even into this state?
[15:01] <dbungert> * Subiquity - use networkctl instead of harsher process restarts thru systemd -
[15:01] <dbungert>   while the idea seems sound, networkctl on bionic/focal has features missing
[15:01] <dbungert>   that I'm using, so either I need a different solution or a vendored backport
[15:01] <dbungert> * LP: #1925722 - fix for curtin where, when we're formatting multiple disks and
[15:01] <dbungert>   dd-ing not the first one, it would reimage the wrong disk.
[15:01] <dbungert>   Next action - update tests to cover this scenario
[15:02] <dbungert> * LP: #1926298 - my previous work on LP: #1706168 was flawed and introduced a
[15:02] <dbungert>   segfault.  Leverage more glib functionality to fix that and simplify.
[15:02] <dbungert> * Subiquity roadmap planning
[15:02] <dbungert> (done)
[15:02] <slyon> - Interviews/homework reviews
[15:02] <slyon> - Town Hall
[15:02] <slyon> - on +1 maintenance last week
[15:02] <slyon>   * finalizing +1 work this week, post archive opening
[15:02] <slyon>   * auctex, baycomepp, atlas, ap-utils, gsmlib, cgminer, clamfs, csh, gramophone2
[15:02] <slyon> - Prepared snapd PR for NM snap integration (LP: #1926442)
[15:02] <slyon>   * https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10212
[15:02] <slyon>   * setup and run "spread" tests locally against core20/edge
[15:02] <slyon> - Testing & improving NetworkManager snap on UC20, MP#400398
[15:02] <slyon> [15:02] <slyon> - Investigated regression on core20/edge (LP: #1922898)
[15:02] <slyon>   * fixed in PR#206, pending SRUs
[15:02] <slyon>   * re-uploaded to ubuntu-image PPA, incl. regression fix
[15:02] <slyon> - Focal SRU verification for bug #1919453, bug #1922898 (Groovy still pending)
[15:02] <slyon> - Prepared & merged small fix for 'netplan set', PR#207
[15:02] <slyon>   * not needed for DBus based Config.Set() command
[15:02] <slyon> - Some bug triaging
[15:02] <slyon> - Working on YAML generator & corresponding test system (a little, at least)
[15:02] <slyon> (done)
[15:02] <bdmurray> sil2100:
[15:02] <sil2100> Oooh
[15:02] <sil2100> Yes
[15:03] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases
[15:03] <sil2100> - Last week - 21.04 release! Busy busy!
[15:03] <sil2100> - Helping out with archive opening for 21.10
[15:03] <sil2100> - Regaring that - verified debootstrap for g/f/b/x
[15:03] <sil2100> - ESM britney:
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Discussed other approaches to fetching private result logs
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Per discussions, switched to an SSO based result fetcher
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Rebased both the britney2 and autopkgtest-cloud ESM parts against latest big deployment changes
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Tested individual infrastructure bits locally
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Tweaking final iteration script per discussion with security
[15:03] <doko> bdmurray: s/xnox//g
[15:03] <sil2100> - Switching Bileto and security-britney (public) to use the new creds after the redeploy
[15:03] <sil2100> - Processed core20 rebuild with the new glibc
[15:03] <sil2100> - ...and then reverted the new glibc as core20 was broken with it, so iterated on that
[15:03] <sil2100> - UI customization:
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Reviewed snapd PR mirroring our ubuntu-image PR, both looking fine
[15:03] <bdmurray> doko: he was here part of the time!
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Fixed merge conflicts on the UI side, bumped the snapd dependency
[15:03] <sil2100> - Pi DTB improvements:
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Merged the pending pidtbs UC20 PR, build snaps of the gadget and got those into egde
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Created cherry-picks for UC18, built snaps for arm64 and pushed those to edge
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Blocked auto-migration of the pi/18 gadget until we have confirmation that we're ready
[15:03] <sil2100> - Some ubuntu-image golang rewrite discussions with William - getting some initial action items!
[15:03] <sil2100> - Candidate interviews
[15:03] <sil2100> - Release retrospective
[15:03] <bdmurray> doko: fixed though
[15:03] <sil2100> - Dusting out the old archival scripting
[15:03] <sil2100> - Documented and added the HardwareEnablementFreeze
[15:04] <sil2100> (done)
[15:04] <bdmurray> reported upgrade crash from bionic LP: #1924604
[15:04] <bdmurray> investigation into update-manager autopkgtest failure after apt update (LP: #1924809)
[15:04] <bdmurray> uploaded fixes for the above
[15:04] <bdmurray> review / upload of update-notifier changes for ESM Apps
[15:04] <bdmurray> updates to the deb2snap transition for upgrades from X to B
[15:04] <bdmurray> SRU verification of LP: #1922297
[15:04] <bdmurray> uploaded u-r-u with a warning regarding upgrades to hirsute
[15:04] <bdmurray> reported u-r-u B to F bug report python-bson-ext LP: #1925972
[15:04] <bdmurray> 21.04 release and 21.10 release opening
[15:04] <bdmurray> and some other stuff I forgot to write down
[15:04] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:05] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[15:05] <JawnSmith> * ISO testing Ubuntu 21.04
[15:05] <JawnSmith> * LP: #1925971 SRU linux-firmware-raspi2 bluetooth fixes to groovy/focal
[15:05] <JawnSmith> * LP: #1926378 SRU pi-bluetooth enablement for Pi 400 and CM4
[15:05] <JawnSmith> * Re-write ubuntu-image in golang for better snapd integration
[15:05] <JawnSmith> * Start work on booting Ubuntu on BeagleV SBC
[15:05] <JawnSmith> * +1 maintenance yesterday
[15:05] <JawnSmith> * Candidate Interviews
[15:05] <JawnSmith> [done]
[15:06] <bdmurray> juliank:
[15:06] <juliank> * apt 1.2.35 for xenial:
[15:06] <juliank>   - JSON hook backport
[15:06] <juliank>   - zstd support backport
[15:06] <juliank>   - couple test suite fixes
[15:06] <juliank> * apt 1.3.3:
[15:06] <juliank>   - couple of fixes by DonKult and typo fix by bdmurray
[15:06] <juliank>   - removed the deprecation warning for json hooks 0.1 to give snapd team some breathing room with updating snapd
[15:06] <juliank> * python-apt compressor lookup fixes (primarily for zstd support); down to focal, bionic/xenial wip.
[15:06] <juliank> (done)
[15:06] <juliank> (IIRC)
[15:06] <doko> 1.3.3?
[15:07] <bdmurray> Dave is out
[15:07] <doko> - archive opening
[15:07] <doko> - finally dropping the armel/armhf gcc multilib builds, just tedious work
[15:07] <doko> - GCC 11.1 release, gcc-11 SRU for hirsute, backports for bionic and focal
[15:07] <doko> - gcc-10 build fun, package build aborts after 40h+, for the third time ...
[15:07] <doko> - looking at various gcc-N packaging bits
[15:07] <doko> - supposed to do +1 maintenance, which doesn't work this week. will do it next week
[15:07] <doko> (done)
[15:07] <bdmurray> Any questions on status?
[15:08] <bdmurray> #topic Release Incoming Bugs
[15:09] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:09] <bdmurray> bug 1910841
[15:10] <bdmurray> Lets just take it as it should be relatively easy
[15:11] <mclemenceau> Ok I'll card it
[15:11] <bdmurray> bug 1842047 was raised by the community team so we should card that too
[15:12] <bdmurray> bug 1923464
[15:13] <bdmurray> juliank: You had an opinion on this?
[15:13] <juliank> Right, sort of don't see how it fits in with resilient boot having ESPs on multiple drives
[15:13] <juliank> which might be different than the /
[15:13] <bdmurray> Okay, then lets punt it while you and xnox discuss it
[15:14] <bdmurray> bug 1925625
[15:14] <bdmurray> bug 1925265
[15:14] <bdmurray> That just seemed weird to me but is it worth working on?
[15:16] <bdmurray> It probably isn't raspi-image specific
[15:16] <sil2100> I think we should take it
[15:16] <sil2100> Would be nice to do a clean up of our preinstalled images in that case, as it might also be the same case for riscv
[15:17] <bdmurray> Okay, let's take it.
[15:18] <mclemenceau> ok
[15:18] <sil2100> Ok, missed the part it's about desktop, so uh, but still
[15:18] <bdmurray> bug 1925483 was release noted so is something we should think about
[15:20] <bdmurray> If its fixed after reboot the question might be is there a substantially different user experience.
[15:21] <bdmurray> Given the performance difference lets take it.
[15:21] <bdmurray> bug 1925529
[15:22] <bdmurray> Given that we were using the release announcement to convey important information this seems worth fixing.
[15:22] <bdmurray> So let's card that.
[15:22] <bdmurray> bug 1925745
[15:23] <bdmurray> juliank: I tagged this one because of the user experience with regards to sorting out what phasing meant.
[15:24] <juliank> ack
[15:24] <mclemenceau> carded the previous 2
[15:24] <bdmurray> Do you have any ideas how it might be more informative?
[15:24] <bdmurray> thanks!
[15:24] <juliank> not sure how this happened
[15:24] <juliank> There's nothing we can do to make apt tell you more information really
[15:25] <bdmurray> it was a 0 day SRU (I think) that we didn't fully phase
[15:25] <juliank> bzut ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk should be phasing identical to ubuntu-release-upgrader-core
[15:25] <juliank> so it should install ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk 21.04.10, not 21.04.11
[15:26] <bdmurray> Oh, I see.
[15:26] <juliank> I'll have to go play with it I guess
[15:27] <bdmurray> Okay, thanks so let's move it to apt and card it.
[15:27] <bdmurray> bug 1924823
[15:28] <juliank> yes, we want to solve this more properly I think
[15:28] <juliank> It's not super urgent
[15:29] <bdmurray> Should we still card it then?
[15:29] <juliank> yeah
[15:29] <mclemenceau> ok
[15:29] <juliank> I figured out what's going on with the phasing, and it's sort of Laney's fault ;)
[15:30] <Laney> what
[15:30] <juliank> Laney: You said new installs should not be phasing :D
[15:30] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:30] <juliank> Laney: Now if you have a package installed from same source package like u-r-u-core, installing u-r-u-gtk will fail :D
[15:30] <juliank> Laney: So I need to invent more magic to fix that :D
[15:31] <juliank> Laney: But mostly just joking about it being your fault :D
[15:31] <bdmurray> moving on then to bug 1919177 which was release noted
[15:32] <vorlon> ... or revisit this "new installs should not be phasing" assertion?
[15:32] <juliank> vorlon: Need to read the backlog, but I agreed with the argument
[15:33] <bdmurray> lets card that so we track helping out the CPC team
[15:33] <bdmurray> bug 1926267
[15:34] <bdmurray> There's an mp there so I'll card it
[15:34] <bdmurray> bug 1923477 was also release noted
[15:35] <bdmurray> And that's a pretty poor experience so let's card that
[15:35] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:36] <bdmurray> bug 1921427
[15:37] <bdmurray> looking at the error tracker there aren't a ton of crashes about this
[15:37] <bdmurray> so let's pass on it for now
[15:38] <bdmurray> bug 1921593 I think I should test this again with the clonefile attached
[15:38] <bdmurray> so passing on that
[15:38] <bdmurray> bug 1924604
[15:38] <bdmurray> This can happen if universe is not enabled
[15:39] <bdmurray> vorlon: I forget did you have an opinion on this?
[15:39] <juliank> Laney: that was you right, who said t
[15:39] <juliank> oops, sorry
[15:39] <juliank> Wrong keys pressed + backlog
[15:40] <vorlon> bdmurray: I think the opinion I offerred is that we shouldn't be excessively concerned about making an upgrade "work" under those circumstances, we should just make sure we don't crash ugly
[15:40] <bdmurray> I think the current behavior could be called ugly
[15:40]  * vorlon nods
[15:40] <bdmurray> so let's card that
[15:41] <bdmurray> bug 1925972
[15:41] <bdmurray> so there are still a lot of upgrade failures from B to F
[15:41] <bdmurray> this might be one reason why
[15:42] <bdmurray> I didn't find out why python-bson-ext is causing upgrade failures but its definitely that python2 quirk
[15:42] <bdmurray> so let's card that too
[15:42] <bdmurray> bug 1920107
[15:43] <bdmurray> that's incomplete so let's pass on it
[15:44] <bdmurray> and I'm already working on bug 1924809
[15:44] <bdmurray> that's that for bugs
[15:45] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:45] <doko> skip that
[15:45] <vorlon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:45] <bdmurray> okay!
[15:45] <doko> there's nothing ready
[15:45] <vorlon> but nothing here because everything's too young after impish opened
[15:45] <vorlon> so yes, move on
[15:45] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[15:47] <bdmurray> I'm out starting tomorrow until next Thursday
[15:49] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[15:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:49:56 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-04-29-15.00.moin.txt
[15:52] <sil2100> o/


[15:56] <azend|vps> It's a sad day without BobJonkman
[15:56] <azend|vps> :(
[16:30]  * genii makes more coffee


[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[13:12] <akiva-mobile> omg did I miss it?
[13:14] <akiva-mobile> oh its on tuesday :P


[03:55] <cheshair> hi! is there a way to use ubuntu one in one-way sync mode? my goal is to have a remote backup of local files. ideally i will access those files across multiple devices but i don't want possible changes to be synced back to my main computer.
[03:55] <cheshair> that's why i am talking about "one-way sync mode"
[03:56] <cheshair> of course, i am not sure this is the "right" way to use ubuntu one
[03:59] <mmcc> Hi cheshair, Ubuntu One is intended as a two-way sync system. I'm new here so there may be tips and tricks that more experienced folks could give you to get you most of what you want - may I suggest asking this on http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/ubuntu-one/ ?
[04:00] <mmcc> If you really need one-way sync, you may also be interested in something like this: http://code.google.com/p/lsyncd/
[04:01] <cheshair> hi mmcc this is very kind of you, thanks. yep, that's what i think too: one-way syncing is not the best and proper way to use ubuntu one
[04:01] <mmcc> However, I'm having a hard time understanding your use case - if you do decide to ask there, I would say more about what you want to sync, and what changes would happen to it on other devices that you don't want propagated
[04:04] <cheshair> mmcc i will post a message there, writing the message will help me myself to make up my mind
[04:05] <mmcc> cheshair: sounds good! If you don't mind, post the URL to your question here so I can keep track also? Thanks, and good luck
[04:35] <cheshair> mmcc: here I am :-) http://askubuntu.com/questions/141946/one-way-syncing-through-ubuntu-one
[04:36] <cheshair> i hope i made myself clear
[08:27] <Chipaca> cheshair: hey there
[08:28] <Chipaca> cheshair: is your concern only around deleting them on your phone?
[08:28] <cheshair> Hi Chipaca!
[08:28] <cheshair> Chipaca: well no, it's about general modifications
[08:29] <cheshair> Chipaca: do you have any hints for me?
[08:29] <Chipaca> cheshair: i think jamesh called it.
[08:31] <cheshair> Chipaca: yep, that's way I chose his answer
[08:33] <Chipaca> cheshair: have you looked at déjà dup?
[08:33] <Chipaca> cheshair: as long as you're on a network connection that can upload 25MB in less than ~an hour, it's lovely :)
[08:34] <cheshair> Chipaca: is that the default backup program that ships with Ubuntu 12.04?
[08:34] <Chipaca> and we're working on that restriction too
[08:34] <Chipaca> cheshair: it is
[08:35] <cheshair> Chipaca: yes, I am using it! It's lovely, I use it for backup on a local NAS
[08:35] <Chipaca> cheshair: you can also use it to back up to an unsynced u1 folder
[08:37] <Chipaca> hmmm
[08:38] <Moscherkobold> good morning
[08:38] <cheshair> Chipaca: I have "who-cares" files, "medium-concern" files and "my-life-is-in-here" files. I use deja-dup on a local nas for medium-concern (and above) files and remote backup for the most important ones
[08:38] <cheshair> (do you like my files hierarchy? :-D)
[08:38] <Chipaca> cheshair: that's what i was aiming at. So, nothing to add really.
[08:38] <Moscherkobold> rye: do you have any idea how to acess my files using a browser or win client for the moment?
[08:39] <Chipaca> cheshair: at some point we'll have point-in-time recovery, but it's nowhere near.
[08:39] <jamesh> deja-dup might not be a complete solution if one of the requirements is to be able to read the file from e.g. a phone
[08:39] <cheshair> Chipaca: thank you very much, that sounds as a great confirmation I am probably doing it right, thanks
[08:39] <jamesh> if you don't need that, it is a good option, since it will give you some history too
[08:40] <cheshair> Chipaca: point-in-time recovery sounds cool... what about single file recovery? is that possible at the moment?
[08:40] <Chipaca> cheshair: through support, and only for deletions, not editions
[08:41] <cheshair> Chipaca: is that anytime near on the roadmap?
[08:41] <Chipaca> cheshair: nope
[08:43] <cheshair> jamesh: i am aiming at a multi-strategy approach, with dejadup for local backup of large portions of my home and remote backup for very important and selected files
[08:44] <cheshair> Chipaca: I see, it looks as a very nice piece of software, I am glad Ubuntu ships with such an easy to use tool. I hope it will become more and more powerful in the future so to support advanced users and weird use-cases
[08:45] <Chipaca> cheshair: you and I both :)
[08:45] <cheshair> :-)
[08:50] <rye> Moscherkobold: the fix was already committed but it is not yet released. Also, the accounts will need to be merged prior to being able to access the files.
[09:10] <Moscherkobold> rye: thank you, this means i just have to wait a little bit? Or is there something i can do?
[09:12] <rye> Moscherkobold: i will be able to contact the developers only in 3-4 hours and will be able to provide more info after the talk. So far there is nothing a user can do to resolve it as this involves server-side having 2 distinct accounts for a single user
[10:13] <rye> verterok: ping re: splitting tritcask files so that they fit into memory
[10:41] <rye> joshuahoover: http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/us/ubuntuone-ubuntu-syncdaemon-diag.sh to get basic set of logs from ubuntu + some minimal diag
[10:59] <gatox> good morning!
[11:05] <karni> Morning all o/
[11:43] <gatox> need to restart...
[11:44] <rye> ralsina: ping, do you happen to remember what was wrong with Turkey users failing to get credentials?
[11:45] <ralsina> rye: never found out, but it was related to the SSL certificate problem
[11:45] <ralsina> rye: I could never reproduce even from a turkish IP with turkish locale
[11:56] <rye> i like that seagate utility says that An important update may be available for your drive. And web site says "No, you're good"... And those drives I have are quite slower than those Samsung ones that crashed simultaneously in raid 1 config
[11:56] <rye> my VMs are SLOOOOW
[13:46] <mandel> ralsina, I changed the config of the ubuntuone-windows-installer in jenkins to use tunk again and is failing, is brian working today?
[13:46] <mandel> oh, and back from lunch + hola ralsina & gatox :)
[13:46] <gatox> mandel, hi
[14:00] <briancurtin> mandel: when you changed it back to trunk, were my fixes included in trunk yet?
[14:01] <gatox> mandel, ralsina if you can, a really trivial review (with pretty pictures :P): https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/bug999885/+merge/107387
[14:01] <mandel> briancurtin, I reviewed and approved the branch you proposed, was that the only one?
[14:02] <briancurtin> yeah it was. let me check jenkins to see whats wrong
[14:03] <mandel> briancurtin, ok, let me know if there is any way I can help
[14:03] <mandel> gatox, <height>16777215</height> O_o
[14:03] <mandel> gatox, why is that?
[14:03] <gatox> mandel, it's the qt default for as big as you want
[14:04] <mandel> gatox, looks super random..
[14:04] <mandel> hehehe
[14:04] <gatox> mandel, no.... it has an explanation.... but it's a secret jejeje
[14:16] <briancurtin> mandel: i added back "set JENKINS=1" to the batch, somehow it was gone. im building it now
[14:17] <mandel> briancurtin, oh.. weird.. I could have screwed up by mistake
[14:18] <mandel> briancurtin, in other news, while I was breaking stuff I ahve added the project to the windows group and set it to be build after a succesful build from any of the other projects that was we follow the changes as close as possible
[14:18] <ralsina> gatox: on it
[14:19] <ralsina> gatox: if you want the real default, just delete the line :-)
[14:19] <briancurtin> mandel: ah cool, and it's also built anyway as a nightly which is good
[14:19] <gatox> ralsina, ok..... deleting....
[14:19] <ralsina> mandel: 2 ** 24 -1
[14:20] <mandel> ralsina, ein?
[14:20] <ralsina> 16777215 is 2 **24 -1
[14:20] <mandel> ralsina, I mean, why?
[14:20] <mandel> briancurtin, ok, so we have commitlies and nighlties :)
[14:20] <ralsina> mandel: I don't know, but it's not random :-)
[14:21] <gatox> ralsina, done
[14:21] <mandel> briancurtin, I wonder if we can change the build in a way so that if someone gets a build from there will get an update file pointing to this results so that we all run nightlies in our machines all the time
[14:21] <ralsina> gatox: does it work the same? I just know that it should, but have not tried it ;-)
[14:22] <mandel> ralsina, oh, but I'm not going to talk with a mathematician about number being generated no being random (16777214 + 1) :P
[14:22] <gatox> ralsina, wowwwwwww no.... it's so very broken! jeje
[14:22] <briancurtin> mandel: we could use the artifact and upload it somewhere, then create a nightly "channel" that you could point your update.ini to
[14:23] <ralsina> mandel: I think that's just "bigger than any possible screen" really :-)
[14:23] <mandel> briancurtin, I think that would be awesome is sooooo many levels
[14:23] <briancurtin> mandel: but i dont know if we can point the autoupdater to look at jenkins, jenkins would have to put that file somewhere and update the XML and stuff...which is doable
[14:23] <ralsina> gatox: see? never commit without trying it first ;-)
[14:23] <ralsina> maybe the artifact archive can give us a stable url for the latest build?
[14:23] <ralsina> OTOH, we will get update requests every 6 hours ;-)
[14:23] <gatox> ralsina, i though i can trust you!! jejejee
[14:24] <mandel> briancurtin, yes, as we would need to make the build step to generate the update.ini with the new version number
[14:24] <briancurtin> ralsina: i think it does it per build, so the URL has the build ID in it...but i'll check if there's a "latest" artifact of that project or something
[14:24] <mandel> ralsina, we could do that once per day
[14:24] <ralsina> gatox: better you learn it now than later, padawan ;-)
[14:24] <briancurtin> mandel: the build worked with set JENKINS=1, so trunk is good now
[14:25] <ralsina> briancurtin: or an artifact RSS, which would be very easy to scrape
[14:25] <briancurtin> true
[14:25] <ralsina> OTOH, jenkins RSSs are useless because they are behind OAuth
[14:25]  * dobey hopes there are no branches today
[14:25] <mandel> briancurtin, hurray! and sorry, it was probably my fault, maybe by firefox tab was old..
[14:25] <dobey> gatox, ralsina: you are working today?
[14:26] <briancurtin> mandel: no worries. glad we got it to this point :)
[14:26] <gatox> dobey, yes
[14:26] <gatox> ralsina, reverted..... without the height property it's failing when trying to compile the .ui...
[14:26] <ralsina> dobey: a few hours
[14:26] <mandel> briancurtin, yes, it is indeed great for the project to get to this point, and I know QA does love you for it :)
[14:27] <gatox> ralsina, now it's working
[14:27] <ralsina> dobey: I sent you email last night
[14:28] <dobey> right
[14:28] <dobey> you use xsettings-kde?
[14:29] <mandel> briancurtin, looks like the only red dot we have at the moment in cp, gatox do you know what is that test exactly doing?
[14:29] <mandel> gatox, in jenkins for control panel
[14:29] <gatox> mandel, which test?
[14:29] <ralsina> dobey: no, the other bug
[14:29] <ralsina> dobey: did I sent you the one about xsettings-kde? Really?
[14:29] <dobey> ralsina: the bug you e-mailed me about is 1002811
[14:29] <mandel> gatox, https://jenkins.errormessaging.com/view/Windows/job/ubuntuone-control-panel-windows-test/55/testReport/ubuntuone.controlpanel.gui.qt.tests.test_folders/LocalFoldersPanelAddFolderTestCase/test_add_music_folder_adds_the_folder/
[14:30] <dobey> which is xsettings-kde sru :)
[14:30] <ralsina> dobey: oops, copy/paste error :-/
[14:30] <ralsina> dobey: let me find the right onw
[14:30] <ralsina> dobey: right, the one I *meant* to send you is about the u1cp SRU
[14:31] <ralsina> dobey: specifically the bug I fixed about invalid paths crashing os.walk
[14:31] <gatox> mandel, nop..... i saw that before..... but i think that is not always happening.... sometimes it works...... do you want me to take a look at that and propose a branch?
[14:31] <dobey> ralsina: ok, i'll look at that
[14:31] <mandel> gatox, if you have time that would be great!
[14:32] <briancurtin> gatox: if you can take a look that would be awesome. i looked at it last week and i dont know what i was missing but i was confused at how it was happening, especially that it only happens on windows
[14:32] <mandel> gatox, is the very last broken tests in jenkins (until I add the mac slave)
[14:32] <gatox> mandel, yes..... i can do that while a lot of tests are being run in the mac to ensure that macfsevents is trusty :P
[14:32] <ralsina> dobey: bug  #959447
[14:32] <gatox> mandel, briancurtin ok..... i'll take that bug
[14:33] <mandel> gatox, I think there is not bug added for this issues, do you know briancurtin ?
[14:33] <mandel> you will need to create one
[14:33] <briancurtin> i dont think there is one. i know i didnt create one yet
[14:34] <mandel> ditto, so gatox you need to create one so that we keep track of this
[14:34] <gatox> mandel, ack
[14:44] <mmcc> Hi folks - happy friday
[14:45] <briancurtin> definitely happy friday. what's up mmcc
[14:46] <mmcc> I am pumping up an exercise ball as I sit here, and it is blowing my dogs' minds
[14:46] <gatox> mmcc, hi
[14:47] <mmcc> so I have two mp's that could use a review. mandel, you mentioned yesterday that you wanted to look at this sso client network detection bug from wednesday night: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-1003692/+merge/107159
[14:47] <mmcc> did you get a chance to look at it?
[14:47] <mandel> mmcc, yes, but I forgot to give the +1, doing now
[14:47] <mmcc> cool, thanks mandel
[14:47] <gatox> mmcc, let me know if you need reviews..... it's my review day
[14:48] <mmcc> ok gatox: here you go: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-networkstate-darwin/+merge/105926
[14:48] <gatox> mmcc, ok! on it
[14:48] <dobey> gatox: <height>16777215</height> <- can i please say "wtf" :)
[14:48] <mmcc> biggest signed 24-bit integer?
[14:48] <gatox> dobey, qt designer default maximum size
[14:49] <gatox> mmcc, ahhhhh but you will need alecu for that review
[14:49] <gatox> not me
[14:49] <gatox> mmcc, he already claim it
[14:49] <mmcc> gatox, he asked to review it but that was >1 week ago...
[14:50] <gatox> mmcc, ok.... i'll review it.... but you won't be able to merge it until he abstain
[14:50] <gatox> mmcc, because he appear as a reviewer
[14:50] <mmcc> ah. ok. well, up to you if you want to look at it or not then
[14:51] <gatox> mmcc, i'll take a look, no problme
[14:51] <mmcc> gatox, it says I can reassign the review request to you...
[14:51] <gatox> mmcc, try
[14:52] <mmcc> gatox, done. go forth and review!
[14:52] <gatox> mandel, ralsina if you guys review my branch..... and didn't found anything wrong..... you forgot to put your +1 :P
[14:52] <ralsina> gatox: putting it now
[14:52] <gatox> ralsina, thx
[14:52] <gatox> mmcc, great! reviewing!
[14:53] <mandel> gatox, I asked about the number and you decided to break things :)
[14:53] <mmcc> so last night I found yet another setuptools extension packager that almost sort of works, cx_freeze
[14:55] <ralsina> mmcc: I played with it a long time ago
[14:55] <ralsina> mmcc: and yes "almost works" is what I remember ;-)
[14:55] <mmcc> py2app needs work to find PyQt resources, pyinstaller doesn't work with unzipped eggs, and cx_freeze breaks pkg_resources
[14:56] <mmcc> I believe pyinstaller also breaks pkg_resources
[14:56] <mmcc> today's plan is to see if I can work around py2app's Qt problems (they seemed minor) to get it to the point where it breaks pkg_resources too, and then I get the triple crown of almost breakage
[14:56] <mmcc> er, almost workage
[14:57] <ralsina> mmcc: I approve of cx_freeze docs linking to my blog about Qt resources, though
[14:57] <mmcc> ralsina: I noticed that!
[14:57] <gatox> mmcc, are you tryiing to figure it out hoow to create the u1 dmg?
[14:57] <mmcc> nice article
[14:57] <ralsina> mmcc: thanks
[14:57] <mmcc> gatox: .app first, then dmg...
[14:58] <ralsina> gatox: you did try stuff for ninja, right? Maybe you and mmcc should talk about this
[14:58] <gatox> ralsina, actually i didn't do it..... but i can ask our french mac packager about that
[14:58] <gatox> mmcc, ^
[14:59] <mmcc> gatox, cool, thanks! is ninja pyqt?
[14:59] <gatox> mmcc, yes....
[14:59] <gatox> mmcc, and this guy have packaged other programs using pyqt, watchdog, and several libs, so he know some of the problems
[14:59] <gatox> and which things to use
[14:59] <mmcc> gatox: I'm downloading it now! hopefully my emacs won't get jealous
[15:00] <thisfred> me
[15:00] <dobey> meh
[15:00] <mmcc> yo
[15:00] <gatox> mmcc, disclaimer: the beta is not the best in mac :P
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:01] <mmcc> gatox, that's ok - I'm just going to examine its package contents
[15:01] <ralsina> not me
[15:01]  * briancurtin is typing right now
[15:02] <thisfred> is that everyone? holiday in AR right?
[15:02] <dobey> yes
[15:02] <thisfred> DONE: bug #1003610 bug #1004486 TODO: Bug #1004540 BLOCKED: no NEXT: dobeyh
[15:02] <dobey> λ DONE: worked on logo issue in installer
[15:02] <dobey> λ TODO: expenses, reviews, set up milestones, triage
[15:02] <dobey> λ BLCK: none.
[15:02] <mmcc> DONE: packaging tools fun
[15:02] <mmcc> TODO: more packaging tools fun
[15:02] <mmcc> BLCK: NO
[15:02] <mmcc> NEXT: gatox
[15:02] <dobey> mmcc
[15:02] <gatox> DONE:
[15:02] <gatox> Fixed Bug #999885, Start reviewing mmcc branch, working in a u1-control-panel issue, run a lot of stress tests for macfsevents.
[15:02] <gatox> TODO:
[15:02] <gatox> Finish with the review and u1-cp issue. Keep testing macfsevents.
[15:02] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:02] <dobey> heh
[15:03] <gatox> No
[15:03] <gatox> next: not ralsina
[15:03] <dobey> next is briancurtin
[15:03] <ralsina> exactly!
[15:03] <briancurtin> DONE: get installers building and available through jenkins
[15:03] <briancurtin> TODO: see if i can swing that jenkins stuff into some type of nightly dev-channel for the updater, if not, get the C2C window working
[15:03] <briancurtin> BLOCKED: none
[15:04] <ralsina> comments?
[15:05] <ralsina> Anyone saw PEP 405? It's cool :-)
[15:05] <ralsina> And EOM
[15:11] <mandel> I was ignored!
[15:11] <mandel> :(
[15:11] <ralsina> NEXT: mandel
[15:11]  * ralsina unignores mandel
[15:11] <mandel> DONE: Proposed tools branch, some reviews more on fsevents daemon.
[15:11] <mandel> TODO: some ff project, 1-1 ralsina.
[15:11] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:11] <ralsina> mandel: I don't see your "me" BTW
[15:12] <ralsina> mandel: 1-1 on monday because I am in a bar
[15:12] <mandel> ralsina, sure, no problem :)
[15:12] <mmcc> ralsina: still no home internet? :(
[15:12] <dobey> bars are the best place for 1-1s
[15:12] <ralsina> mmcc: I am in uruguay for the day
[15:13] <ralsina> in fact, I am taking the ferry back in about 1 hour
[15:13] <mmcc> ralsina: ah, ok.
[15:13]  * ralsina is worldly
[15:14]  * mmcc is looking at google maps
[15:14] <ralsina> mmcc: I am like 100km from my home
[15:15] <mmcc> ralsina: 100km from my house in every direction: just more Texas
[15:16] <ralsina> mmcc: here's for reference. Good thing I did not drive here: http://goo.gl/maps/Du7H
[15:17] <mmcc> yeah, that's some trip!
[15:18] <ralsina> mmcc: happens when there's a 80km wide river in the middle
[15:27] <dobey> alright, need to get lunch. bbiab
[15:27] <mmcc> eqq question: If the use of pkg_resources is broken in an egg, there's no reason to expect that zipping the egg will change that, right?
[15:27] <mmcc> or is there more to zipping eggs than just ... zipping them?
[15:28]  * gatox lunch
[15:29] <ralsina> mmcc: usually our problem has been that zipped eggs fail and unzipped eggs work
[15:29] <ralsina> and AFAIK yes, a zipped egg is just a zipped egg
[15:30] <mmcc> ralsina: hm. so pyinstaller "works" with zipped eggs by just copying the whole egg. but it won't work with unzipped eggs. They have two test cases, and the one with an unzipped egg fails.
[15:31] <ralsina> mmcc: sigh
[15:31] <mmcc> what I was wondering is why it can't just duh, copy the unzipped egg dir over too...
[15:31] <ralsina> mmcc: well, it's worth trying. Keep in mind that unzipped eggs may have some structure that is accounted for in the pth file
[15:32] <ralsina> mmcc: so sometimes maybe you have to copy a subfolder or something
[15:32] <mmcc> ralsina: noted.
[15:35] <mmcc> more details you didn't ask for: cx_freeze is happy to work with eggs, apparently treats them as if they're just directories of code, but you end up with code that expects to find data files using pkg_resources, and sys.exe_prefix is broken (it gets set to '/'), and pkg_resources wants python's makefile, which isn't anywhere useful...
[15:36] <mmcc> I'm a little surprised that this is so broken - why does it work with py2exe on windows but the similar mechanism for macs has these fundamental problems?
[15:36] <ralsina> mmcc: my guess is there's a ton more real life experience on windows
[15:36]  * mmcc goes to look at what py2exe does with pkg_resources
[15:37] <mmcc> ralsina: yep, 10x more eyes on the bugs :{
[15:37] <mmcc> here's hoping the solutions are portable
[15:37] <ralsina> mmcc: note that we still had to do a ton of special casing and file-collecting and module-listing and whatever-screwing to get py2exe to cooperate
[15:38] <ralsina> mmcc: and today I suspect none of us understand all of it, specially the older stuff mandel did
[15:38] <mmcc> ralsina: yes, I've had the windows setup.py up as a reference. I definitely expect some large amount of fiddling
[15:39] <mmcc> ralsina: one thing I'd like to do if I ever understand all of this is write a real intro/tutorial for whatever packager ends up winning. They all have side-project quality documentation
[15:39] <ralsina> while I remember that, we have a huge workaround there for lazr.restfulclient, which I don't think we are even using anymore
[15:39] <ralsina> mmcc: would be awesome
[15:40] <ralsina> mmcc: python pckaging is in the secret lore of the guilds stage, doc wise
[15:40] <mandel> ralsina, mmcc, so lazr restful api was remove it, so that code can be cleaned up
[15:40] <ralsina> mandel: I fear I may have injected something there that was not for lazr, as well :-)
[15:41] <mmcc> do any launchpad projects use readthedocs.org? it's pretty nice...
[15:41] <mandel> ralsina, mmcc, some of the work arounds are do to the way COM loads the libs which py2exe does not like and therefore we force it to be added
[15:41] <mandel> ralsina, mmcc I could do some clean up of the current setup.py to make it nicer, is not that hard, really
[15:41] <ralsina> mandel: you have lots of other, more important stuff, than fixing something that still works
[15:41] <mmcc> mandel, I've seen the COM stuff - we also have lazr.uri and lazr.authentication in there too
[15:42] <mandel> mmcc, does two, lazr things are dead because we now use the qt network stuff :)
[15:42] <mandel> ralsina, ok, anyway, if my help is needed I'm more than happy to jump in :)
[15:43] <ralsina> there is no lazr let in our codebase AFAICS
[15:43] <mmcc> mandel: ok, so we don't need to package any lazr stuff? great, that's one of the things that dies using pkg_resources
[15:43] <ralsina> mmcc: kill it. With fire, please :-)
[15:43] <mmcc> lazr fire?
[15:43]  * mmcc groans for you
[15:44] <mandel> mmcc, kill it using lasers!
[15:44] <ralsina> it's called lazr because it hurts the eyes
[15:44] <ralsina> mmcc: pyinstaller and starting from scratch is looking more tempting all the time
[15:45] <mmcc> ralsina: sorry, can't parse that...
[15:45] <mandel> ralsina, careful.. pyinstaller is not that easy
[15:46] <ralsina> mmcc: our py2exe script is full of weird stuff that's probably not even needed anymore
[15:46] <ralsina> mmcc: so maybe using pyinstaller, which is supposed to work portably on mac/windows and doing it anew is a good idea
[15:46] <mmcc> ralsina: oh, you mean not starting with our py2exe script.
[15:46] <ralsina> mmcc: OTOH, I recall the pain it was to get py2exe working and feel a sentimental attachment to it
[15:47] <ralsina> and I suspect pyinstaller's site is full of lies
[15:47] <briancurtin> anything dealing with packaging and distribution is lies and headaches
[15:47] <ralsina> briancurtin: right, which is why I am so happy about not tweaking it anymore on windows
[15:48] <mmcc> ralsina: yeah, I'm alternating between all of these options. pyinstaller needs some work, and has an unfamiliar API... I'm tempted to call it a weird design but it's probably just unfamiliar
[15:48] <briancurtin> reminds me of Saturday Night Live. "Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball"
[15:48] <mmcc> ralsina: pyinstaller's site is verifiably full of lies, or at least one lie: site says "works with eggs!" code says "only zipped eggs!"
[15:49] <ralsina> mmcc: which again makes things twice as hard since py2exe works only with UNzipped eggs, and our buildout is now broken for 1 platform
[15:49] <mmcc> so briancurtin, can you tell me what happens with the eggs that use pkg_resources on windows? this seems like the most fundamental problem here. py2apps docs describe this as being "incompatible with packaging (!)"
[15:50] <briancurtin> mmcc: i wish i could tell you, but i have no idea what any of that is about. i know more about speaking spanish than i do about packaging/setuptools/eggs
[15:51] <mmcc> briancurtin: yo tambien!
[15:51] <mmcc> I have no idea if I even spelled that right
[15:51] <briancurtin> i just typed it in google translate, and you did
[15:52] <mandel> oh.. padagans that want to learn how to swear, how great!!! ahora, dejaros crecer una coleta, cuando sea larga empezamos con la letra P
[15:54] <mmcc> oh, while I'm venting: cx_freeze's trunk branch has mac support code with several python syntax errors and a couple functions' worth of code that obviously doesn't work. quick fixes, but it gives me *so* much confidence in the rest
[15:55] <mmcc> it didn't even build
[16:00] <mandel> ralsina, mmcc, in my opinion 'mas vale malo conocido que bueno por conocer...' if we know how to work around py2exe I would not feel very adventurous, specially because packaging is a PITA
[16:02] <mmcc> mandel, gtranslate does poorly with that :) but I got it, and I agree
[16:04] <mandel> mmcc, but I'm ok with what ever you choose :)
[16:14] <ralsina> have to catch a boat, see you guys on monday, except the USians who I see on tuesday
[16:14] <ralsina> bye!
[16:14] <mandel> ok, have a good weekend!
[16:15] <briancurtin> enjoy the boat
[16:16] <mmcc> bye ralsina, have a good weekend
[16:17] <mmcc> lazr.restfulclient in current sso client: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntu-sso-client/trunk/view/head:/ubuntu_sso/account.py#L41
[16:18] <mandel> mmcc, dammed! I though it was out :(
[16:19] <mmcc> mandel: it doesn't seem to be used, though
[16:19] <mmcc> maybe someone should review this: https://code.launchpad.net/~ballogy/ubuntu-sso-client/drop-lazr/+merge/107153
[16:20] <mmcc> timely!
[16:24] <mandel> mmcc, and doing it for arch, got to love open source!
[16:28] <dobey> i was going to review that
[16:28] <dobey> but i think alecu/nessita need to
[16:28] <mandel> dobey, I added alecu and me cause we worked on the proxy stuff
[16:29] <mandel> dobey, bur maybe alecu and nessita are a better combination
[16:30] <dobey> it doesn't have anything to do with proxy stuff does it? i think it was part of the timestamp correction fixing?
[16:30] <dobey> and iirc, that was all alecu
[16:30] <mandel> dobey, yes, alecu is the one that did it AFAIK
[16:43] <mandel> ok, eod for me, I'll do that review over the weekend
[16:43] <mmcc> mandel, wait 1 sec before you go...
[16:43] <mandel> mmcc, shoot!
[16:45] <mmcc> wait for it.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/oq2xll3fgp1hn3h/120525-first-pkgd-window-sso.png
[16:46] <mmcc> the only other quickie photo sharing site I could think of wanted me to tweet that
[16:46] <mmcc> so I used dropbox :\
[16:47] <mmcc> that's a .app from cx_freeze, after I removed lazr.
[16:48] <mmcc> anyway, time for a stretch break. have a great weekend mandel
[16:48] <mandel> mmcc, awesome!!! so we are getting to have a .app working, great news!
[16:49] <mandel> and I'm off to enjoy the weekend, all, laters!
[17:02]  * mmcc lunch
[17:10] <gatox> mmcc, when you are back...... just a quick question, is this: "import time; time.sleep(60)" in '
[17:10] <gatox> 391	--- ubuntu_sso/networkstate/tests/run_nwmgr_st really necessary?? (just want to know why it is there)
[17:33] <Boardinary> does the ubuntu one android app automatically sync files I've downloaded?
[17:50] <dobey> qengho: ^^ can you answer Boardinary ?
[17:55] <qengho> Boardinary: hi. Good question. It's changed recently or changing soon.  It did (optionally) upload all images that the Gallery app would show. A new change will try to ensure that files are located only in some of the few dozen places that camera apps save photos.
[18:19] <mmcc> gatox, that sleep is there to give you a minute to turn off your network and watch the status change before the script exits. It was just a dumb way to have the script not run forever but not have to handle canceling it nicely
[18:20] <mmcc> now that I think about it I could just wait on the main thread for keyboard input before exiting, that'd be simple too :)
[18:20] <gatox> mmcc, you have my +1 already
[18:21] <mmcc> great, thanks!
[18:21] <mmcc> hmm, so why is the mp still marked as 'needs review'? Do we need to flip that manually?
[18:27] <dobey> someone has to do it
[18:27] <dobey> it doesn't happen automatically
[18:29] <mmcc> ah, thanks dobey. I just set it to approved, then.
[19:32] <urbanape> mmcc: on the web & mobile team, typically the last reviewer sets the MP to approved (we usually just gather one review). In any case, anyone can mark the MP approved. By convention, we at least wait for pending reviews to be marked approved.
[19:36] <mmcc> thx urbanape. looks like the convention here is to get two reviewers, otherwise same.
[19:38] <urbanape> yup. we're rebels
[19:38] <mmcc> cowboys
[20:05] <gatox> eod here....... have a nice weekend everyone!
[20:40] <joshuahoover> dobey: do you know if it's bad if, as a workaround for the valicert issue on windows, i give users a cert file from my windows vm?
[20:41] <dobey> yeah that's bad
[20:41] <dobey> tell them to make sure they have all the root certificate updates from MS, installed
[20:42] <joshuahoover> dobey: k, that should come via windows update?
[20:42] <dobey> joshuahoover: yep
[20:42] <joshuahoover> dobey: cool, thanks!
[20:42] <dobey> joshuahoover: are we seeing that issue with a lot of users on windows?
[20:42] <joshuahoover> dobey: not a lot, but maybe 5 this week
[21:03] <dobey> alright, need to run. have a good (long) weekend all!
[21:03] <briancurtin> you too dobey
[21:24] <thisfred> have a nice weekend all!
[22:38] <mmcc> heading out - have a great weekend everyone, see you Tuesday.


[12:37] <hunger> Is there a reason why g++ still depends on the 3.3 compiler?
[12:39] <ska-fan> Is there a friendly user channel, btw?
[12:40] <ska-fan> recommending #ubuntu is like a spit in the face :)
[12:40] <|QuaD-> ska-fan: #ubuntu
[12:40] <Nafallo> lol!
[12:40] <Nafallo> ska-fan: why isn't #ubuntu friendly?
[12:40] <hunger> ska-fan: Actually I fleed here myself;-)
[12:41] <Nafallo> hunger: kernel? :-)
[12:41] <hunger> Nafallo: kernel what?
[12:42] <Nafallo> hunger: the kernel is compiled with gcc-3.3
[12:42] <ska-fan> Nafallo: It's full of annoying persons that flood and do other evil stuff.
[12:42] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:42] <ska-fan> I haven't got a single useful answer in #ubuntu yet
[12:42] <hunger> Nafallo: Shouldn't be... gcc is at version 4 for a while now.
[12:42] <Nafallo> ska-fan: ohh.
[12:43] <hunger> Nafallo: g++ is the only thing left at 3.3 for now.
[12:43] <LinuxJones> ska-fan, with what ?
[12:44] <hunger> ska-fan: I actually just found the channel too noisy...
[12:44] <ska-fan> LinuxJones: ?
[12:44] <LinuxJones> ska-fan, you didn't get an answer to what questions ?
[12:44] <ska-fan> LinuxJones: I don't remember the questions
[12:45] <Nafallo> hunger: probably the ToolchainTransition isn't done yet :-)
[12:46] <Nafallo> hunger: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolchainRoadmap
[12:46] <hunger> Nafallo: Ah! The hidden wiki again;-)
[01:05] <thully> hi - well, I finished making my changes to RestrictedFormats wiki... the hoary-extras source won't be good for gstreamer until tomorrow...
[01:16] <thully> someone mentioned earlier looking into MP2 ripping support, since it's compatible with many MP3 devices - this sounds interesting...
[01:16] <giskard> hi, one of yours users sent me a mail about a nvu bug (i'm the debian maintainer) saying me (also) that yours "reportbug" on amd64 is buggy
[01:16] <giskard> for more info
[01:16] <giskard> look here : http://pastebin.com/281046
[01:55] <thully> Earlier here, we were discussing MP2 ripping support as a possible alternative to MP3.. turns out the iPod doesn't support it (which makes it not-that-useful)
[01:57] <crimsun> mp2 is fairly dubious as an alternative anyhow
[01:58] <crimsun> it'd be more fruitful to consider musepack (I have prelim packages), but ogg vorbis is really the better choice
[01:59] <thully> I don't find a format which doesn't work on 90% of players that play digital music files as a really ideal choice... but with the patent situation it may be the best available
[01:59] <thully> what is musepack, btw?
[02:03] <crimsun> www.musepack.net
[02:04] <thully> what's it's advantages over other encoders?
[02:04] <crimsun> it's the fastest
[02:05] <crimsun> it's either GPLed or BSDed, depending on which component, so it's DFSG-free
[02:05] <crimsun> there's a gst plugin
[02:05] <JanC> AFAIK musepack has problems with patents ?
[02:06] <crimsun> JanC: no, it used to, but all the code is free now
[02:06] <thully> From the looks of it, though, it's a format less supported than ogg (as in portable devices etc)
[02:06] <crimsun> oh definitely, thully.
[02:07] <crimsun> the only format that's supported en masse is mpeg 1 layer 3
[02:08] <JanC> the XviD code is also free, but it's still covered by patents...
[02:09] <thully> yes - I was pretty much wondering if there was another format with no patent encumbrance that works with most MP3 players (other than .wav, or course)
[02:09] <crimsun> JanC: yes, but the basis of musepack is not patent-encumbered
[02:10] <JanC> it's based on MPEG1/2, just like "MP3" ?
[02:10] <thully> however, I don't see the real point of musepack when even ogg has far more support than it
[02:10] <womble> thully: Not from my research, no.
[02:10] <crimsun> it had roots in mpeg1/2, but the current code bears no resemblance to them
[02:12] <JanC> "resemblance of the code" is not important for patents  ;)
[02:12] <crimsun> JanC: but it's not even based on mpeg1/2 anymore.
[02:12] <JanC> then it's not compatible with earlier versions?
[02:13] <JanC> that would be stupid...
[02:13] <crimsun> there was a break in the versions some time ago
[02:13] <JanC> but maybe those patents expired together with most of the MPEG 1/2 patents
[02:14] <thully> I guess most people will be using lame from multiverse to rip music for a while...
[02:14] <crimsun> not if they use the default Sound Juicer :)
[02:16] <thully> well - chances are they will try to load those files to their iPod and find they don't work, so they will end up setting up LAME...
[02:18] <crimsun> sure. Or they might be inclined to use jHymn or something as I do
[02:19] <thully> yes - but that is only for iTunes store music
[02:19] <crimsun> indeed. Unfortunately there is no holy grail
[02:53] <bob2> lifeless: email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:53] <bob2> lifeless: with your ssh key
[02:54] <lifeless> done
[03:34] <tseng> 73% of visitors to my site use firefox
[03:34] <tseng> the next 8% use mozilla
[03:34] <tseng> pretty rock.
[03:49] <|QuaD-_> tseng: what does epiphany come up as?
[03:50] <tseng> |QuaD-_: mozilla probably. are you a regular visitor to my blog?
[03:50] <|QuaD-_> tseng: i think i have visited it a few times
[03:50] <tseng> i dont see any epiphany specific group
[03:50] <tseng> Camino is last at .1%
[03:51] <|QuaD-_> i just started using epiphany though, so i wouldn't show up as epiphany
[03:51] <tseng> i see
[03:51] <|QuaD-_> i was just curious
[03:51] <tseng> 3.6% is unknown, could be there
[03:52] <|QuaD-_> i am looking to see if i can change the browser tag in epiphany
[03:53] <|QuaD-_> who knows
[03:54] <|QuaD-_> 61.8% on my site use firefox
[03:54] <|QuaD-_> 35.9% use ie
[03:54] <tseng> oh man
[03:54] <tseng> i only have 5.7% ie :P
[03:54] <|QuaD-_> i don't even know who views my site
[03:54] <|QuaD-_> i don't have any content on it
[03:54] <|QuaD-_> ohh, probably my family, cuz i have a gallery on it
[03:56] <|QuaD-_> tseng: what type of hosting service you use (like a vds, your own server...)
[03:56] <tseng> my own server
[03:56] <tseng> but im beta testing linode.com's xen service
[03:56] <tseng> which I will be subscribing to as soon as its out of beta
[03:56] <tseng> their current service is based on uml
[03:56] <|QuaD-_> tseng: is it in a server farm or your house?
[03:56] <tseng> my server is colocated, yes
[03:57] <|QuaD-_> tseng: i want a linode, i kinda thought it was a rip off though
[03:57] <tseng> its not a rip off at all
[03:57] <tseng> they house, maintain, and power and connect you to a very nice network
[03:57] <|QuaD-_> tseng: for $50 i can get a dedicated server
[03:57] <tseng> you cant buy your own box and colocate it for < $50
[03:57] <tseng> |QuaD-_: yes, you can.
[03:58] <|QuaD-_> tseng: if i colocate with 2 people, thats cheaper
[03:58] <tseng> will you be getting console access?
[03:58] <|QuaD-_> tseng: no idea, haven't really looked into it
[03:58] <tseng> and dead-easy distro installs over the web
[03:59] <|QuaD-_> the shared plan i have now isn't up for 2 months
[03:59] <tseng> the win for linode is the management as much as the box itself
[03:59] <tseng> sure you can buy a box from anyone
[04:00] <|QuaD-_> tseng: yeah, but you get soo little space and bandwith for the price they charge
[04:00] <|QuaD-_> i was looking at the $20/month plan
[04:00] <tseng> ive used 2% of my 50gb this month
[04:01] <tseng> thats after i got family guy and a cd from bittorrent
[04:01] <tseng> anyway, if its not right for you, great
[04:01] <tseng> im just a huge fan :)
[04:01] <|QuaD-_> i use about 30gb a month
[04:02] <|QuaD-_> tseng: if i got like 5gb space and 100 gb bandwith for the linode 64 plan, i would probably do it
[04:02] <tseng> 100gb? where are you getting that much I wonder
[04:02] <tseng> for $20/month
[04:02] <tseng> i dont know anywhere you can get a psuedo dedicated system for $20
[04:03] <|QuaD-_> right now, i have shared hosting for $3.95 a month, 150 gb bandwith 5 gb space
[04:03] <|QuaD-_> tseng: yeah, thats why i don't if vds is for me
[04:03] <tseng> shared = ftp to a directory?
[04:03] <|QuaD-_> cpanel account, i hate it, except its sooo cheap, and i am broke
[04:03] <tseng> well.. im rich :P
[04:04] <tseng> relative to my situation anyway
[04:04] <|QuaD-_> haha
[04:07] <|QuaD-_> tseng: you are running ubuntu on your xen linode/
[04:08] <|QuaD-_> ?
[04:08] <tseng> |QuaD-_: yes
[04:08] <tseng> right now they have a warty image, very easy to upgrade to hoary
[04:08] <|QuaD-_> tseng: what mailserver?
[04:08] <tseng> postfix
[04:08] <|QuaD-_> no experience with hula/
[04:08] <|QuaD-_> ?
[04:08] <tseng> i have hula on there also just for kicks
[04:08] <tseng> but the admin sucks majorly atm
[04:08] <|QuaD-_> how does it work?
[04:09] <tseng> oh and my pet peeve
[04:09] <|QuaD-_> really? i heard it was supposed to be soo simple
[04:09] <tseng> my other server has an A record
[04:09] <tseng> and no MX
[04:09] <tseng> guess what, hula wont send mail to it
[04:09] <|QuaD-_> haha
[04:09] <tseng> i think even Qmail will fall back to the A record
[04:10] <|QuaD-_> is that something they are fixing?
[04:10] <tseng> ive not gotten involved with upstream at all
[04:10] <tseng> enough to track with all the mono and gtk# stuff
[04:10] <|QuaD-_> ohh
[04:11] <|QuaD-_> so how much ram is the linode you are using?
[04:11] <tseng> i think he bumped the beta to 128
[04:11] <|QuaD-_> how do distros run in 64 mb?
[04:11] <tseng> my friend runs gentoo on it, spent alot of time parring things down with uclibc and all that
[04:12] <|QuaD-_> i don't follwo
[04:12] <|QuaD-_> *follow
[04:12] <tseng> debian i am thinking would be pretty alright if you tamed apache
[04:12] <tseng> to not spawn a zillion threads
[04:12] <|QuaD-_> ohhh
[04:12] <tseng> postfix is very resource friendly
[04:13] <tseng> by design
[04:13] <|QuaD-_> i am hoping wherever i live next year, will have fios, and i won't have to worry, and i can host my own server
[04:13] <|QuaD-_> without any of that colocation buisness
[04:13] <tseng> we just got that in west chester
[04:13] <tseng> but i dont think theyll run it to my appt
[04:14] <tseng> i need the 30gb service injected directly into my vein
[04:14] <|QuaD-_> i will be living in NYC next year, so i hope i get decent servie
[04:14] <|QuaD-_> *service
[04:17] <|QuaD-_> tseng: are the specs for xen linodes going to be the same as for uml ones? (prices and what you get)
[04:18] <tseng> no idea
[04:18] <tseng> the hosts look like quad xeons, or maybe dual with ht
[04:18] <|QuaD-_>  tseng: ok, how did you get hookedu p as a betatesters?
[04:19] <tseng> |QuaD-_: it was an invite deally
[04:19] <|QuaD-_> figured that much
[04:20] <|QuaD-_> i also don't know if i have the knowledge to truely secure a system
[04:20] <tseng> changes are neither does your current provider :/
[04:20] <|QuaD-_> tseng: probably, thats why i don't host anything critical on it
[04:21] <|QuaD-_> tseng: thanks for the info, feels better to get it from someoen who has nothign to gain by telling me
[04:23] <tseng> rock on.
[04:23] <tseng> you might actually want something cheap for the time being, makes sense
[04:23] <|QuaD-_> i don't recall if i told you what i pay, but there is nothing that compare to it, i just hate hte lack of control
[04:24] <tseng> i have a burning desire to control my own box
[04:24] <tseng> w/o messing with owning it and colocating anymore
[04:24] <|QuaD-_> thats my biggest problem
[04:24] <tseng> that sucks too
[04:24] <tseng> esp if you dont get a remote console
[04:24] <|QuaD-_> remote console is what allows you to install isos?
[04:25] <tseng> no, they have prebuilt disk images
[04:25] <tseng> you just pick one
[04:25] <|QuaD-_> oh, yeah, thats nice
[04:25] <tseng> yeah they have a bunch of distros
[04:25] <|QuaD-_> there is only one distro for me :)
[04:25] <tseng> :D
[04:25] <|QuaD-_> tseng: now you are going to make me waste my money!
[04:26] <tseng> hey you can cancel later if you dont love it
[04:26] <tseng> and get some chinsy ftp only access to some black hole
[04:26] <|QuaD-_> tseng: yeah, i am not worried about loving it
[04:26] <tseng> for $10/month
[04:26] <tseng> or whatever
[04:26] <|QuaD-_> 3.95 :)
[04:26] <|QuaD-_> which is why i have such a hard time leaving it
[04:27] <|QuaD-_> eventually, my 1 oss project that i am working on will be hosted on it
[04:28] <|QuaD-_> but i don't suspect it will get too much traffic
[04:28] <tseng> my blog gets ~700 unique vistors a month so far, and barely uses any bandwidth
[04:29] <tseng> are you on jabber and can hit me up? im starting to feel bad about hijacking the chan
[04:30] <|QuaD-_> tseng: i don't use jabber.... aim?
[04:30] <tseng> sure
[05:20] <jnc> look out, he's got a vertical bar!
[05:26] <jnc> erg.... libgtkhtml20 missing
[05:31] <mpt> jnc: Just reimplement it from scratch
[05:31] <jnc> heh
[05:31] <jnc> i found it actually in universe
[05:31] <jnc> it's going to be an officially supported package, looks like... so there's some transitional fooby
[05:31] <jnc> it's missing on the mirror i was using
[05:31] <jnc> very strange
[05:51] <mpt> jnc: What does it need to be officially supported for?
[05:51] <jnc> mpt: i don't know, i just spotted it in breezy with one of those official looking icons next to it under a new name, libgtkhtml2-0
[05:51] <jnc> that's perhaps something very different
[05:54] <jnc> gnucash relies on libgtkhtml
[05:55] <mpt> ah
[05:55] <mpt> and on a whole pile of other stuff I don't have installed
[05:56] <jnc> it's great for expense
[05:56] <mpt> Interesting that I had nothing else installed that required bonobo
[05:56] <jdub> jnc: different versions - most importantly, gnome 1.x vs. gnome 2.x
[05:57] <jdub> jnc: gnucash is thusly unsupportable
[05:57] <jnc> ah
[05:57] <tseng> there is a similar mono app
[05:57] <tseng> what was that called
[05:57] <tseng> kurush
[05:58] <jdub> and another one martin sevoir is working on
[05:58] <tseng> does it look nice?
[05:59] <jdub> divifund
[05:59] <jdub> http://www.divifund.com/
[05:59] <tseng> mmm crack
[05:59] <jdub> we should totally have that in ubuntu
[05:59] <tseng> we should, how are the depends
[06:00] <mpt> "The Import tab is still present but inoperable, providing a tantalizing glimpse of the future!"
[06:00] <tseng> a pygtk
[06:06] <tseng> this was one of Tim's lowest rated items
[06:08] <fabbione> morning
[06:08] <tseng> hiya
[06:10] <jdub> tseng: ah, but it rated at all :)
[06:11] <tseng> D+
[06:11] <tseng> iirc
[06:11] <tseng> thats generous
[06:12] <jdub> (small business finance is way more important that personal finance, but this would be good to have nevertheless)
[06:12] <tseng> small business would be more like what we talked about with crossover
[06:13] <tseng> at least for a few years
[06:13] <tseng> freelance hackers arent interested in doing an oss quicken
[06:13] <tseng> there's no itch
[06:14] <jdub> martin had an itch - thus divifund :)
[06:15] <tseng> its a start.
[06:30] <rnz> is there any plan to implement initng to speed up the boot process in breezy? I can find anything in the wiki. http://jw.dyndns.org/initng/
[06:32] <jdub> rnz: udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/FasterBoot
[06:33] <jdub> initng and friends aren't on the agenda at all right now
[08:00] <blueyed> mit welchem dpkg-reconfigure sucht man nochmal die zu installierende keymap aus?
[08:01] <blueyed> ah.. console-data
[09:52] <svenl> Mmm, is the fact that mplayer-g4 doesn't ship a mplayer binary a feature or a bug ?
[09:53] <svenl> Me guesses it is a bug.
[10:24] <svenl> fabbione: you there ?
[10:24] <svenl> fabbione: i want to speak to you about mplayer on ppc.
[12:05] <Zomb> is there an ubuntu port of debmirror?
[12:06] <bob2> is there anything to port?
[12:06] <bob2> I use debmirror to maintain my local Ubuntu mirror
[12:13] <pitti> Hey folks
[12:25] <ogra> hi pitti
[12:25] <pitti> Hey ogra
[12:25] <seb128> pitti !!
[12:25] <ogra> hey seb128
[12:25] <seb128> hi
[12:25] <seb128> pitti: quick hal question for you :)
[12:26] <pitti> seb128: timeout *hehe*
[12:26] <pitti> seb128: seriously, what's up?
[12:26] <seb128> pitti: a friend has an usb key with a fat partition, hal mounts /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 for it ... any idea of why it could want to mount /dev/sdb ?
[12:27] <seb128> that makes 2 icons on the desktop which is ugly
[12:27] <ogra> seb128, do you know if there is a list if dbus in/output strings for evo (i'm just starting to port evonotify to dbus and pygtk)
[12:28] <pitti> seb128: I bet he formatted the raw device (without a partition) once
[12:28] <pitti> seb128: that happened to me, too; unless you properly restore an MBR and the partition table, the hal detection still sees the original fs signatures in the reserved blocks
[12:28] <seb128> pitti: where is this information? I mean "fdisk -l" displays one partition
[12:28] <seb128> hum, k
[12:29] <pitti> seb128: yeah, the fs detection is still buggy
[12:29] <seb128> k, thanks
[12:29] <pitti> seb128: probably it would be a good idea to ignore the raw device as a volume if there are partitions
[12:29] <seb128> yeah
[12:29] <pitti> seb128: can you ask him to file a bug?
[12:29] <seb128> done :p
[12:30] <pitti> seb128: thanks, I'll care about that at some day :-)
[12:31] <seb128> np, thank you :)
[12:35] <ska-fan> pitti: Where are the pgsql rpms now? p.u.o/~pitti doesn't work
[12:36] <ogra> pitti, oh, you provide rpms ?
[12:36] <ska-fan> s/rpms/debs/
[12:36] <ogra> heh
[12:36] <ska-fan> old habit
[12:38] <seb128> pitti: the guys says the key has never been formated, it shipped like this, already with one partition fat formatted
[12:39] <pitti> seb128: hmm, odd; maybe he can dd the first few MBs, gzip them and send them to me?
[12:39] <pitti> ska-fan: hmm, not?
[12:39] <pitti> ska-fan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/psql/  -> everything's there?
[12:40] <seb128> pitti: dd if=/dev/sdb of=file ?
[12:40] <pitti> ska-fan: however, p-common is a bit outdated, you should use the Debian experimental version
[12:40] <pitti> seb128: ... bs=1k count=2048
[12:40] <pitti> seb128: that will give me the first 2 MB
[12:40] <seb128> cool, thanks
[12:42] <pitti> seb128: btw, I'm currently naming my photos, will upload them soon
[12:43] <seb128> cool
[12:53] <Nafallo> morning all
[01:08] <pitti> Hey Nafallo
[02:27] <ogra> has anybody an idea know why /usr/bin/fakeroot-sysv doesnt work for me ? its obviously the default alternative and just gets stuck silently... /usr/bin/fakeroot-tcp works...
[02:29] <azeem_> I would have an explanation if you ran GNU/Hurd...
[02:30] <ogra> azeem_, hmm, probably fabio named the kernel package wrong :)
[02:31] <azeem_> fakeroot always used to be fakeroot-sysv, FWIW
[02:32] <ogra> yeah, but i dont get why it stopped to work in breezy
[02:33] <azeem_> Clint didn't like your new release name, perhaps
[02:33] <ogra> heh
[02:37] <pitti> seb128, ogra, doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/Sydney-2005/
[02:37] <seb128> cool
[02:38] <ogra> yeah
[02:39] <ogra> pitti, put it on the list: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder
[02:39] <pitti> ogra: it's only our vac, not the conference
[02:40] <pitti> ogra: but I can put it there anyway
[02:40] <ogra> hmm.
[02:40] <ogra> good point
[02:40] <pitti> anyway, later! have to go now
[02:40] <seb128> pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/usb_key, the 2M file for the usb key
[02:40] <seb128> I'll fill a bug with it
[02:41] <seb128> have a good afternoon pitti :)
[02:41] <pitti> you too
[02:49] <HiddenWolf> seb128, ping
[02:53] <seb128> HiddenWolf: ?
[02:56] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:57] <Nafallo> 127_Animals ;-)
[02:57] <Nafallo> isn't that devils?
[02:59] <HiddenWolf> seb128, I'm getting rather annoyed at gnome-panel, but I'm not sure how to fix it or how to report a bug about it
[03:00] <HiddenWolf> I've got a hoary with default settings for the window-list applet, and the tabs seem to 'jump around' a lot, whenever I open or close a window or the title in one of the tabs changes
[03:01] <HiddenWolf> IE, topic change in xchat, or another song starting in rhythmbox, the tabs do a little shuffle
[03:01] <kent> HiddenWolf, If im not mistaken, Nafallo had a problem like that yesterday. Perhaps you can talk with him aswell about it to sort it out?
[03:02] <HiddenWolf> kent, happen to know when he's on, usually?
[03:02] <Nafallo> .
[03:02] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:02] <HiddenWolf> ah, convenient. :)
[03:03] <Nafallo> I really can't figure out what we can do about it though.
[03:04] <Nafallo> seems the problem is all windows in the list must have the same size.
[03:05] <Nafallo> atleast that's a start on the problem ;-)
[03:05] <HiddenWolf> It just results in a very eye-catching bit of jumpiness, unfortunatly
[03:06] <seb128> I've not noticed that
[03:06] <seb128> but upstream is the right place for this
[03:06] <Nafallo> seb128: could it be x86_64 specific? :-)
[03:06] <seb128> there is several bugs open about the windows list applet and the algos for the size/placements of the windows
[03:06] <seb128> no
[03:06] <HiddenWolf> nafallo, running x86 here, so no
[03:07] <Nafallo> oki
[03:07] <seb128> what do you do to get the "jumping" ?
[03:08] <seb128> trying right now
[03:08] <seb128> change songs with rhythmbox doesn't change anything else than the title
[03:08] <seb128> song
[03:08] <seb128> another son...
[03:08] <HiddenWolf> switch between networks in xchat is one
[03:08] <Nafallo> seb128: I take some screenshoots :-)
[03:09] <HiddenWolf> I'm connected to my game's clan server, and freenode, jumping from one channel to the other does it
[03:10] <Nafallo> seb128: http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/tmp/
[03:10] <HiddenWolf> Rhythmbox does if if you have 2 windows open, and jump from a short songname to a long one and back
[03:10] <HiddenWolf> more than 2, and I guess the tab min/max sizes kick in.
[03:11] <seb128> Nafallo: what do you do with this usb_key?
[03:11] <Nafallo> seb128: that's because of the extra " / #ubuntu-devel (+n)" for xchat's title.
[03:12] <Nafallo> seb128: only downloaded :-)
[03:12] <seb128> yeah, but intend to fix it ? :)
[03:13] <Nafallo> seb128: I'll have a look atleast :-). I'll atleast learn something from every experience :-).
[03:14] <seb128> k, it does that too here for xchat
[03:14] <HiddenWolf> seb128, I get it too when jumping from #ubuntu to #ubuntu-devel
[03:14] <Nafallo> seb128: and you don't get annoyed? ;-)
[03:14] <HiddenWolf> with 3 windows open.
[03:14] <seb128> I don't use the list this way
[03:14] <seb128> I've a fixed min/max size
[03:14] <seb128> and it doesn't do that with my config
[03:14] <seb128> I've the same min/max size
[03:15] <seb128> so the entries always take the same size which is "fixed sized/number of entries"
[03:15] <HiddenWolf> here it's at 50/4096
[03:15] <seb128> I know
[03:15] <seb128> that's not my config :p
[03:17] <HiddenWolf> but afaik, it's default
[03:17] <HiddenWolf> and default jumpiness is ugly. :P
[03:17] <seb128> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155870
[03:17] <seb128> I don't care
[03:17] <seb128> feel free to send a patch anyway :)
[03:18] <Nafallo> seb128: hehe. now you sound like a developer ;-)
[03:18] <seb128> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125023 too
[03:19] <Nafallo> I've set it to 1000/100 in the meantime :-)
[03:19] <HiddenWolf> gnome bugzilla is confusing, lol
[03:19] <Nafallo> ehm 1000
[03:19] <Nafallo> 1000/1000
[03:19] <Nafallo> damn enter!
[03:22] <HiddenWolf> seb128, is there something in gnome that can force an application to start up to notification area and not show its window, or must every application have a setting for that?
[03:22] <seb128> app
[03:23] <HiddenWolf> Hm. I'll go file a few bugs then.
[03:24] <seb128> HiddenWolf: on what?
[03:26] <HiddenWolf> seb128, upstream rythmbox/gaim
[03:26] <HiddenWolf> I have them opening automaticly in my session, but I don't want to see them come up every time.
[03:27] <ska-fan> it's an application bug.
[03:27] <ska-fan> gossip does that right.
[03:28] <HiddenWolf> ugh, wtf is wrong with firefox
[03:28] <HiddenWolf> I can't type without bringing up the finder.
[03:35] <HiddenWolf> can anyone here confirm something silly in rhythmbox for me?
[03:36] <HiddenWolf> it won't sort by play count decending for me if I have selected an album/artist. It will do it right when i've selected all/all in browser
[03:36] <HiddenWolf> playcount ascending only... :S
[04:58] <zyga> hello
[04:58] <zyga> did anyone see the lates firefox exploit?
[05:00] <tseng> zyga: THOM IS A SLACKER
[05:00] <tseng> erm
[05:00] <tseng> yes.
[05:01] <thom> tseng: screw you hippy :P it's uploaded for hoary already
[05:02] <thom> all 8 exploits
[05:02] <thom> kthxbye
[05:02] <tseng> thom: <3 !
[05:02] <thom> ;-)
[05:02] <zyga> tseng: err? :-)
[05:03] <zyga> thom: is it patched?
[05:03] <zyga> thom: or is it 'uploaded with those 8 exploits'?
[05:03] <tseng> with them fixed
[05:03] <zyga> really?
[05:03] <zyga> wow amazing :-)
[05:05] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:18] <Zomb> bob2: nothing to port? it does not work!
[05:18] <Zomb> Failed to download some Package, Sources, Contents or release files!
[05:18] <Zomb> must be confused with bzip2 compression
[05:21] <Zomb> hm, no, looks like missing gpg verification caused that
[05:22] <thully> what is "MOM is awake" supposed to mean?  It sounds kind of funny...
[05:22] <tseng> merge-o-matic
[05:22] <thully> funny...
[05:23] <thully> has anybody looked into making default font changes in the next release?  I have a few ideas for this...
[05:24] <thully> Mostly, making fonts smaller (as Firefox's default fonts, for instance, are HUGE on my laptop)
[05:24] <bluefoxicy> ok so how come on my laptop I hibernate and it comes back fine
[05:24] <bluefoxicy> but on my desktop I hibrenate and booting actually boots?
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> suspend to swap, but then boot instead of resume?  :(
[05:25] <azeem_> wrong kernel command-line?
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> the kernel command line on my laptop doesn't have a resume=
[05:25] <thully> bluefoxicy: did you upgrade your desktop from Warty?
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> the kernel bitches, but grabs it anyway
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> thully:  yeah I think.
[05:26] <thully> if so, read the Hoary release notes - you have to fix something for suspend-to-disk to work
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> for the record that should NOT matter.
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> where are these release notes?
[05:27] <azeem_> first hit on google
[05:27] <bluefoxicy> thanks.
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> ah
[05:33] <bluefoxicy> "If a user clicks anywhere on a specially crafted page, this code will automatically create and execute a malicious batch/exe file."  <-- In other news, Microsoft would like to help, and will be issuing patches some time in June of 2007
[05:38] <bluefoxicy> oh, is there an emergency shell hack in the initrd btw?
[05:38] <bluefoxicy> so that I can get into my amd64 system without the . . .oh.
[05:39] <bluefoxicy> nevermind, there's no way to get to the sata module andload it from the initrd :/
[05:39] <bluefoxicy> well.  LiveCD time.
[05:46] <thom> bluefoxicy: uh, just load the rescue option from grub
[05:47] <bluefoxicy> thom:  the initrd was built on a pata hard drive
[05:47] <bluefoxicy> so the kernel can't find the sata
[05:47] <bluefoxicy> there's no module for it and it panics trying to load the root fs, inable to find /dev/sda7
[05:57] <thom> woot; new bootchart doesn't use top and iostat anymore
[07:05] <jiyuu0> if [ `cat file | grep something` == "" ] ; then
[07:05] <jiyuu0> i'm gettin this error
[07:06] <jiyuu0> test.sh: line 1: [: too many arguments
[07:06] <jiyuu0> any idea?
[07:06] <tfheen> you probably want to do if [ "$(grep something file)" = "" ]
[07:06] <tfheen> == is a bashism
[07:06] <tfheen> cat file | grep something is better written as grep something file.
[07:06] <Clint> and you probably want -z instead of = ""
[07:06] <tfheen> and you need to use "" if it expands into more than one word.
[07:07] <jiyuu0> thanks all :)
[07:07] <tfheen> also, I find $(command) more readable than `command` and it's easier nestable.
[07:07] <Clint> but really you should just use the return code of grep
[07:21] <thom> is there any way to get nm to show the version of a symbol?
[07:54] <ska-fan> Which package do I need to install for man 2 stat?
[07:54] <thom> manpages-dev
[08:12] <Lathiat> tseng: humm, trying to run various windows.forms programs i get an erro from gdi about unsupported image formats, is there something i need to install? [it worked on an svn build so uh i have nfi]
[08:13] <tseng> our libgdiplus is old
[08:13] <tseng> for one.
[08:13] <tseng> i dont touch winforms myself
[08:15] <tseng> last i tried gdiplus from alioth it ftbfs
[08:15] <tseng> its at the bottom of my list
[08:15] <Lathiat> ah ok
[08:20] <dholbach> hai
[08:21] <seb128> daniel :))
[08:21] <dholbach> sbastien! :-)
[08:22] <dholbach> mako: hey, any plans on a specific time for the CC on tuesday?
[08:23] <mako> dholbach: good point
[08:23] <dholbach> yes :-)
[08:24] <mako> i'm been hacking all weekend on my paper on ubuntu for linuxtag
[08:24] <ogra> hey, in case anyone is interested in this: http://www.divifund.com/
[08:24] <ogra> www.grawert.net/divifund_0.62-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[08:24] <dholbach> because i'd be very sorry, if somebody of the folks that attended last time wouldn't be member, when they miss this one
[08:24] <dholbach> mako: i don't blame you :-)
[08:25] <mako> dholbach: people that attended last time don't need to attend again
[08:25] <mako> ogra: is it any good?
[08:25] <dholbach> magnon: ok
[08:25] <ogra> mako, at least it works
[08:25] <mako> ogra: that's not really good enough :)
[08:25] <ogra> its not gnucash
[08:25] <mako> hmm
[08:25] <mako> gnucash is pretty good.. but it's also kind of gtk1
[08:25] <ogra> yep
[08:26] <ogra> that thing is clean pygtk
[08:26] <dholbach> and it's broken every other day
[08:26] <ogra> so easy to extend
[08:27] <dholbach> ogra: put it on MOTUNewPackages and i give it a spin
[08:27] <ogra> dholbach, i'll do...
[08:28] <dholbach> i think reviewing will be the MOTU thing i have to jump in next
[08:28] <dholbach> the lists are pretty full
[08:29] <tseng> hi dholbach
[08:29] <dholbach> hey tseng
[08:29] <tseng> ogra: working f-spot hopefully tmw
[08:30] <ogra> yay
[08:47] <dholbach> mako: if you know a time, please tell me, and i'll tell the MOTU guys, change in on wiki/Calendar, #ubuntu-meeting and wiki/CCAgenda
[08:50] <mako> dholbach: give me a second
[08:51] <dholbach> sure
[09:02] <opi> !seen smurfix
[09:02] <opi> no seen option, it seems :-)
[09:21] <ska-fan> ogra: you packaged?
[09:21] <ogra> ska-fan, divifund ?
[09:21] <ska-fan> yes
[09:21] <ogra> yop
[09:21] <ska-fan> rm:   `/usr/share/divifund/*.py': No such file or directory
[09:21] <ska-fan> with dpkg -i divifund...deb
[09:21] <ogra> argh
[09:21] <ogra> ok
[09:21] <ska-fan> this is hoary
[09:22] <ogra> its a packaging error
[09:22] <ska-fan> ogra: ping me if you want me to test a new version :)
[09:24] <opi> ska-fan: are you a true ska fan? :-)
[09:24] <ska-fan> opi: not really, I just like No Doubt
[09:25] <ska-fan> They are not so ska any more
[09:25] <opi> ska-fan: No Doubt was a ska band ;p
[09:25] <opi> ska-fan: but that's offtopic :-)
[09:29] <ska-fan> Hmm, strange bug
[10:18] <ogra> ska-fan, package updated
[10:18] <ogra> (same name/version)
[10:23] <du3-cc> hi ppls
[10:23] <du3-cc> r u developing an own version usplash?
[10:24] <tseng> how do you mean, our own version
[10:25] <tseng> afaik ubuntu is the only group persuing something called usplash
[10:25] <du3-cc> the original one is now called splashy.. thats why i asked..
[10:26] <thom> no, the original one is the one we wrote in oxford a year ago
[10:27] <du3-cc> hmm
[10:27] <cartman> wonder usplash will work with custom kernels?
[10:28] <du3-cc> if its really userspace.. then it have to..
[10:28] <du3-cc> but why the renaming..
[10:28] <du3-cc> is there an ubuntu project for that?
[10:28] <cartman> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash maybe
[10:28] <Lathiat> the only problem with working with custom kernels will be framebuffer support, as long as it has that its fine.
[10:29] <thom> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/USplash
[10:29] <cartman> Lathiat: ah I compile in framebuffer support
[10:29] <cartman> only problem with Ubuntu kernel is that it has no logo
[10:29] <cartman> I miss cute penguin
[10:29] <Lathiat> i hate that stupid penguin. :)
[10:30] <cartman> bah :=
[10:30] <cartman> :)
[10:30] <Lathiat> its a hack anyway
[10:31] <Lathiat> if you switch vts it goes away and then sometimes you get weird issues with that
[10:31] <cartman> I don't touch VTs unless its gone by itself :)
[10:48] <ska-fan> ogra: Works (that is installs and runs now) but it seems veeery unfinished
[10:49] <ogra> ska-fan, it computes the numbers and exports to gnumeric...thats a start :) i just want it in universe, if there is a source package and someting to demo-run, people are more likely encouraged to work on someting ;)


[07:02] <Kilos> morning everyone
[07:02] <Kilos> and of course inetpro
[07:02] <Kilos> guten tag mein herr
[07:14] <inetpro> ohi Kilos
[07:14] <inetpro> and greetings to everyone else
[10:42] <andrewlsd> greetings inetpro and Kilos
[10:43] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[21:15] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight


[12:50] <lamalex> will karmic's notify-osd be themeable?
[14:20] <davidbarth> lamalex: hi; that's something we're discussing on the ayatana list and in the karmic blueprint that goes with the feature
[14:21] <davidbarth> lamalex: the short answer is, yes in a limited way; ie provide the ability to cope with dark and light themes equally well
[14:22] <davidbarth> lamalex: but we don't plan to let users pick particular colors for particular parts of the notification, in order not to reduce their qualities like being unobstrusives, yet clearly identifiables
[14:35] <lamalex> davidbarth: thanks
[14:36] <lamalex> i seem to have somehow missed that ML discussion
[14:36] <lamalex> too much email means I miss the important ones..
[14:50] <davidbarth> lamalex: i didn't mean that it was a current discussion topic (though it was mentionned in the n-osd discussions); but mainly that another good channel to ask/discuss that is the ayatana list
[14:56] <lamalex> ah, gotcha
[16:36] <smerp][> Good morning... I was wondering if someone could figure out WTH I'm doing wrong in trying to get an Xchat-GNOME plugin working with Indicator Applet
[16:36] <smerp][> The plugin registers (i.e. the server is created and it connects to the Indicator Applet, but no matter what I do, individual indications don't show up.
[16:37] <smerp][> Code (so far) is here -> http://pastebin.com/f5d3f63f2. Be gentle; I'm a bit new to GTK+.
[16:37] <tedg> smerp][: You could run /usr/lib/indicator-applet/listen-and-print and that should show what you're sending.
[16:37] <smerp][> tedg: oh, that's nifty
[16:37]  * smerp][ tries
[16:38] <tedg> smerp][: You should probably have a g_object_unref() in remove_indicator()  I don't see another place the object is unref'd
[16:38] <smerp][> tedg: Yeah, I was wondering if I was missing some vital cleanup bits
[16:40] <tedg> smerp][: I don't see anything else obvious.  Is the "sender" being set with the whole message?  It might be kinda big.
[16:40] <smerp][> tedg: nah, that's just a crappy variable name choice on my part. right now, I'm just setting the channel / username that sent the message / action
[16:41] <smerp][> so, it should be short and sweet
[16:42] <tedg> smerp][: Okay.
[16:42] <tedg> smerp][: Are you seeing anything unexpected in the debug log?
[16:44] <smerp][> tedg: seems to be adding two indicators per message I receive, which seems busted
[16:44] <tedg> smerp][: But neither is showing up in the applet?
[16:45] <smerp][> tedg: correct
[16:45] <tedg> Hmm, can you pastebin the log?
[16:45] <smerp][> tedg: from listen-and-print?
[16:45] <tedg> smerp][: Yes.
[16:46] <smerp][> tedg: http://pastebin.com/f59ab4796
[16:48] <smerp][> tedg: http://pastebin.com/f337b6d23 <- lastest code, after g_object_unref; now it crashes upon regaining focus
[16:48] <smerp][> tedg: I'm pretty sure that's my fault; there were some changes made to freeing the list
[16:49] <tedg> smerp][: Hmm, I don't see anything odd.  I have to run to a meeting, and actually then another meeting.  The only thing I could possibly think of is adding an icon.  If that's the issue, it's a bug.  But I think all the other apps do so.
[16:50] <smerp][> tedg: yeah, I thought of that; I'll give it a shot and let you know
[16:50] <smerp][> tedg: thanks for taking a look!
[19:28] <tedg> kenvandine: Do you know if smerp][ was able to get his plugin working?
[19:28]  * tedg is finally btk (back to keyboard)
[19:29] <kenvandine> tedg: mostly yes
[19:29] <kenvandine> he said it is still "quirky" :)
[19:29] <kenvandine> but yes it works now :)
[19:30] <tedg> kenvandine: Cool.  Hopefully listen-and-print can help with some of the quirkiness.
[19:30] <smerp> tedg: nah, the quirkiness is in my court
[19:30] <tedg> smerp: Ah, sorry.  I was looking for the full "][" and I didn't see you :)
[19:30] <smerp> tedg: the problem earlier was me attempting to start a server listening for one thing and then setting message subtypes that didn't match
[19:31] <smerp> yeah, the smerp][ account is the secondary one -- the one I was using while playing around with xchat-gnome
[19:31] <smerp> FWIW: http://github.com/smerp/xchat-gnome/blob/3bd5605a3b28e58180137c0151c8d9b21102d29d/plugins/indicator-applet/indicator-applet.c
[19:32]  * smerp will hack on it later tonight. :D
[19:32] <tedg> smerp: Very cool.  There are a TON of people who ask me about that plugin.  I'm sure people will be excited about it.
[19:33] <smerp> :D
[19:33] <smerp> well, I didn't want to patch the existing Notify-OSD plugin (or the existing Notification Plugin, either)
[19:34] <kenvandine> :)
[19:34] <smerp> but ideally, this replaces the notification plugin (the one that puts the icon in the notification area in the panel)
[19:34] <smerp> and it plays just fine with notify-osd
[19:44] <tedg> smerp: I think that makes some sense.  The issue there is that it'd be nice if there could be graceful fallback.  So, for instance, you could choose the Messaging Menu, and if that isn't there do the notification area, and if that isn't there pop up a window, if there are no windows...
[19:46] <smerp> tedg: yeah, that would be refactoring + eliminating some existing plugins to pull them all together
[19:46] <smerp> tedg: that's not a bad idea, actually
[19:46] <smerp> I mean, how many different plugins do you need?
[19:48] <tedg> Yeah, I think long term it makes sense to integrate them.  But, that's easier when you're integrating working things, not getting them working at the same time.
[20:02] <smerp> tedg: exactly. right now I'm just shooting for the simple thing that works


[12:48] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[13:14] <stgraber> good morning
[13:32] <alkisg> Good morning
[14:39] <highvoltage> good morning
[18:23] <Barco> Anyone have experience with Rdp Connections to Virtualbox on Ubuntu?
[18:23] <alkisg> Yes, next question? :)
[18:25] <Barco> I'm struggling to connect. I have set up bridging on the vbox host and am using port 3389. But am unable to connect
[18:25] <alkisg> You're not using LTSP, right?
[18:26] <Barco> Jup, will that interfere with Rdp?
[18:27] <alkisg> I'm just asking to understand your setup
[18:27] <Barco> Ok let me elaborate.
[18:27] <alkisg> So, you're running LTSP, but you're just trying vbox on your server, not relatead to LTSP clients?
[18:28] <Barco> Using Ltsp kiosk setup and Vbox running Windows7.
[18:28] <Barco> Initally I would just like to remote into Vbox.
[18:29] <Barco> But would like to do this from an Ltsp client.
[18:30] <alkisg> OK so initially are you trying this directly on your ltsp server?
[18:30] <Barco> Yes, just to verify that everything is ok with the Rdp setup first. This is where I got stuck.
[18:31] <Barco> Found an article about "Pam auth" being a stumbling block, installed the settings and it's as far as I got.
[18:31] <alkisg> Erm, you don't need anything pam related to connect to a windows VM
[18:32] <alkisg> Are you trying with the windows rdp server, or with the vbox rdp server?
[18:33] <Barco> Trying to use Vbox rdp server.
[18:33] <Barco> Have set it up in Vbox. Also setup Windows to allow incoming Rdp connections. Now that you ask I am wondering if thei
[18:33] <alkisg> That's for a single client, it wouldn't be very useful
[18:34] <alkisg> Disable the vbox rdp and try with the windows rdp server
[18:34] <Barco> Ok. one moment.
[18:40] <Barco> Only get network activity and no connection. It still fails. What domain do you use on a Vbox machine?
[18:41] <alkisg> I'm not using a domain
[18:41] <alkisg> Did you enable the windows 7 rdp server?
[18:42] <Barco> Neither am I, left it blank but just confirming.
[18:42] <Barco> I activated it yes.
[18:42] <alkisg> What error message does rdesktop display?
[18:43] <Barco> Cannot connect to client, fails with an error about setting up a sound device
[18:44] <Barco> I'll see if I can copy the exact error message - timeout is quite long.
[18:45] <alkisg> To "client"? Not to "server"? And, what command line are you using?
[18:46] <Barco> Used the gui interface
[18:46] <alkisg> Try from the command line, it shows better error messages
[18:47] <alkisg> rdesktop server-ip
[18:48] <Barco> Will do, <IP_ADDRESS> Gui shows unable to connect.
[18:48] <alkisg> Also, can you ping the ip?
[18:49] <Barco> Yes, ping comes back ok
[18:54] <Barco> To me it seems like a permission based issue, since connecting to a network share will return a fail the same way. What do you think?
[19:08] <alkisg> Barco: then it would be a windows issue, try asking in #windows about it
[19:09] <alkisg> Vbox doesn't have any settings for specifying permissions for bridged adapters
[19:18] <Barco> you're right there, no other settings on Vbox.
[19:19] <Barco> Alkisg: Have you ever run Windows host's through Ltsp using Vbox?
[19:19] <alkisg> Yes, it works fine
[19:19] <alkisg> Windows guests, you mean
[19:22] <Barco> yes, sorry typo.
[19:22] <Barco> How many guest's have you been able to run concurrently and what hardware where you using?
[19:23] <alkisg> We've tried it with fat clients, so one windows vm can run in any number of fat clients
[19:23] <alkisg> Many labs, no specific hardware, anything with e.g. 1 Gb ram should do
[19:26] <Barco> You mean running the Vm as a local app?
[19:26] <alkisg> Yes, fat clients run everything as local apps
[19:27] <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients


[18:10] <waldo323_> lvm question, I have system which has 1 volume group wth 4 logical volumes, is there a way to split these into separate groups without needed additional hard drive space? I
[18:12] <waldo323_> have seen examples where they basically copy a volume to a new group which has enoug disk space but that is not an option in this case.  the only volume that is actually impoartant is the one that is large enough that there woun't be enough space to copy it to another location , going to be aft for a little while but wanted to get the question entered before it left my brainspace
[18:36] <jrwren> Probably not.
[18:37] <jrwren> biggest question is: why would you want to? waht problem are you trying to solve?
[18:37] <jrwren> a VG holds PVs. So you'd have to empty PVs and move them to the new VG.
[18:37] <jrwren> In general, fewer VGs (ideally 1) is the most flexible config.
[19:36] <waldo323_> using security onion, and moving from 2.3 to 2.4 is a OS jump from centos 7 to oracle 9. we wanted to be able to keep our historical data.
[19:40] <waldo323_> but the commands in their documentation aren't correct for their automated setup from 2.3. their instructions expect a particular volume to be its own volume group but it is in fact only a logical volume. their suggestion is to exclude this from the setup when installing fresh and then copy some of the new files in the folder from the fresh install into the previously excluded file system and change the mount point... https://docs.securityonion.n
[19:40] <waldo323_> et/en/2.4/appendix.html
[19:44] <jrwren> wow, sounds like nightmare maintenance.
[19:55] <waldo323_> i'm going to go on a limb and guess this wasn't tested with the 2.3 installed from their iso as the iso installation (or at least the options I've gone through so far) haven't given the option to exclude or select disks it simply expects all disks to be used for the new installation - which given the use case its not unreasonable
[19:57] <waldo323_> the data that would get saved would likely get over written with new data in a relatively short amount of time anyway unless there is any trend data which wouldn't get overwritten - not sure
[20:02] <waldo323_> if I were to guess, I'd guess that the CentOS changes over the past couple of years contributed to this complication
[20:03] <waldo323_> while working on this, I learned you can't shrink xfs file systems
[20:04] <jrwren> really?
[20:04] <jrwren> why do I feel like I have done that.
[20:05] <jrwren> wow, yeah, the command is even xfs_growfs. I wonder if I knew that and forgot and its another reason why I always preferred ext4.
[20:05] <waldo323_> everything i've found said to create a smaller one and copy the data into it
[20:05] <jrwren> darned shame, because xfs is so nice.
[20:06] <waldo323_> yeah :)
[20:12] <waldo323_> they instructions for, but won't support, a network installation so i'll try that again. i'll start with removing the root volume, re-create the root volume smaller and a temp volume for the nsm folder then install Oracle 9 which they are using as their base. I ran into an issue which was possibly user error last time I tried.... I am running this in a test environment which is helpful for ease of mind
[20:12] <waldo323_> *they have instructions for
[20:44] <waldo323_> just found that adding a disk to the system gives the option I was missing before, to exclude the disk with nsm on it


[07:26] <FourDollars> Hi, could you help https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1456443 for trusty?
[07:27] <FourDollars> This bug needs to update ubiquity to include the new partman-base.


[19:42] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:30] <ajmitch> morning
[21:04] <chilts> morning
[21:06] <Atamira> morning


[00:08] <Jordan_U> Any reson the #ubuntu topic was changed via ChanServ rather than whichever op it was oping themselves and changing it?
[00:08] <Jordan_U> s/reson/reason/