[00:22] <mariogrip> ehhm? why is my system-image server using gzip compressed data for Ubuntu rootsf and  XZ compressed data on Device/android data?
[00:26] <cwayne> mariogrip, not sure, but that could explain why people were running out of space
[00:28] <mariogrip> but the updater scrip in recovery that progress the files is made for XZ, so it will fail
[03:27] <Novicer_> Have a question about installing Ubuntu on Nexus 10. From http://bit.ly/18kIrhM it looks like we are pretty much ready to go. However, from looking at apps.ubuntu.com, I can't tell which of all the applications will run under Ubuntu on the Nexus 10. Will all the applications within a desktop also work on within the Nexus 10 environment?
[03:30] <tango> hi
[03:30] <tango> anyone online?
[03:31] <tango> hi?
[03:32] <tango> How to use ubuntu-sdk?
[03:34] <Novicer_> I'm also waiting to see if anyone is online to answer my question.  :-(
[03:34] <tango> owh I see
[03:34] <Novicer_> Been waiting for about 7 minutes.
[03:34] <tango> so, what's your problem?
[03:35] <Novicer_> Have a question about installing Ubuntu on Nexus 10. From http://bit.ly/18kIrhM it looks like we are pretty much ready to go. However, from looking at apps.ubuntu.com, I can't tell which of all the applications will run under Ubuntu on the Nexus 10. Will all the applications within a desktop also work on within the Nexus 10 environment?
[03:36] <tango> If the application written in HTML5 and QML, chance to run them are pretty high.
[03:36] <tango> and Nexus is supported, I believe.
[03:36] <Novicer_> Yes, Nexus 10 is supported.
[03:36] <tango> HTML5 and QML is not compiled, that's why it's so portable.
[03:37] <Novicer_> OK, how will a non-deveoper determine if an app (korganizer to be exact) has been written in HTML5 or QML?
[03:37] <tango> well, you can see the project in PPA.
[03:39] <Novicer_> I'm searching the Internet now for Ubuntu PPA
[03:39] <tango> That's good.
[03:40] <tango> actually..it's Launchpad
[03:40] <tango> ppa is the repository for Launchpad, 3rd party repos.
[03:44] <Novicer_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim shows kdepim (which is the container package for korganizer), but I don't see how I can determine if is was written in HTML5 or QML.
[03:45] <tango> let me check for you.
[03:46] <Novicer_> Ah, looking at the source code, it looks like it is written in C++.
[03:47] <Novicer_> Wait, there is a folder called mobile which contains qml.  :-)
[03:47] <tango> It's sounds like it using Qt
[03:47] <tango> yep
[03:47] <tango> that's great
[03:47] <tango> but it's good to email the developers
[03:47] <Novicer_> Yeah! Cool. OK, thank you very much tango.
[03:48] <tango> See this if you want to browse other apps
[03:48] <tango> https://uappexplorer.com/
[03:49] <Novicer_> VERY nice. Thank you!
[03:50] <tango> although, it's not official. Hope you feel good to use Ubuntu-Touch later. :D
[03:52] <tango> and I can't install from site, the links is corrupted somehow. So, it's better to browse the official repositories. (I prefer and in the same time, no, since it's mix up with desktop apps.)
[03:57] <Novicer_> OK, thanks again.
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> the alternative appstore is fantastic, nice work
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Is-Now-Using-Phased-Updates-for-Ubuntu-Touch-478883.shtml
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> every day i read something new :p
[05:01] <tango> hi
[05:04] <tango> Anyone here is a QML programmer?
[05:04] <tango> need help embedding C++ in JS with this Meta language.
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> tango: idle here a bit longer until devs are awake
[06:25] <robin-hero> Hi all! I have just found a bug which is affected me (in other language), please enable the "bug affects you" option, because it is a high priority bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/telephony-service/+bug/1436912
[06:40] <Mirv> Saviq: can you maybe also (double)confirm bug #1441822 seems fixed with silo 015?
[06:50] <Guest99328> hello ? who know about  indicator-messages package?
[06:51] <Guest99328> I want to send a message, but I do not know how to send
[06:51] <robin-hero> Guest99328: What would you like to?
[06:52] <Guest99328> Hi robin-hero: I want to send a message to Notifications
[06:52] <Guest99328> my special message
[06:54] <robin-hero> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/
[06:54] <robin-hero> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/push-notifications-server-guide/
[06:55] <Guest99328> my application maybe a daemon, it can send a specal message to unity8, Just like a normal SMS
[06:57] <Guest99328> Hi robin-hero, would you contact the developer for indicator-messages package? push notification is not what I want.
[06:58] <robin-hero> Guest99328: Sorry, I am only an user, just tried to help you with no luck :)
[07:00] <Guest99328> thanks all the same
[07:03] <RAOF> Guest99328: Bear in mind that you can't be a daemon; your app will only run while it's foregrounded.
[07:06] <Saviq> Mirv, will do
[07:08] <dholbach> good morning
[07:14] <Guest99328> HI RAOF, are you from Canonical ?
[07:18] <RAOF> Guest99328: Yes, but not directly working on the phone API.
[07:20] <Guest99328> thanks, RAOF!
[08:11] <robin-hero>  Hi all! I have just found a bug which is affected me (in other language), please click  the "bug affects you" option, because it is a high priority bug because it is visible many times for the users. https://bugs.launchpad.net/telephony-service/+bug/1436912
[08:18] <leousa> Hi folks, I have a question regarding the ubuntu-push-client in the Ubuntu phone BQ (r21)
[08:19] <leousa> After last update, the push notification system, in particular for Telegram doesn't work at all
[08:19] <leousa> I have installed the "Hello" app to test it, but upon launch it throws and error
[08:20] <leousa> :ERROR: The name com.ubuntu.PushNotifications was not provided by any .service files
[08:20] <leousa> any idea why this is happening?
[08:22] <leousa> If I try from terminal> restart ubuntu-push-client
[08:22] <leousa> restart: Unknown instance
[08:23] <leousa> If i try from terminal> status ubuntu-push-client
[08:23] <leousa> ubuntu-push-client stop/waiting
[08:32] <leousa> anyone?
[08:33] <popey> leousa: dont think the people who know about this have woken up yet
[08:34] <robin-hero> leousa: Sorry, I can't help you, maybe ask your question a little bit later, when more developers will here
[08:34] <leousa> alright, thanks folks
[08:34] <richi__> When trying to create a kit in QtCreator on trisquel belenos : Error creating textual authentication agent: Error opening current controlling terminal for the process (`/dev/tty'): No such device or address
[08:35] <robin-hero> popey: I have just saw your bug about Today scope. It is available still, but it has a new name: Daily Info
[08:40] <popey> robin-hero: what do you mean by "still available"?
[08:40] <Se7> morning @all
[08:40] <richi__> Can I create a kit from the commandline?
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Kindergarten Day! :-D
[09:09] <dadexix86> JamesTait, what is Kindergarten Day? :O
[09:10] <JamesTait> dadexix86, https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/kindergarten-day/ :)
[09:10] <ogra_> the day where you trhow your lunch custard at your colleagues perhaps ?
[09:10] <JamesTait> ogra_, if only my colleagues weren't so far away!
[09:11] <ogra_> you just have to throw very hard !
[09:11] <pitti> kalikiana, sil2100: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/sphinxSysPath/+merge/252891 added the legacy and currnet autopilot build dep, but that's  all in universe
[09:11] <pitti> sil2100: the silos apparently are mis-configured to not respect teh main/universe component check?
[09:11] <dadexix86> JamesTait, it is the first time that I hear about it! do you know in which countries is it celebrated? :)
[09:12] <pitti> kalikiana, sil2100: thus ubuntu-ui-toolkit is unbuildable; we need to fix the mismatch today-ish
[09:13] <bzoltan_> pitti:  would you mind to file a bug please and assign it to kalikiana?
[09:13] <ogra_> pitti, we build from universe by default ~60% of our packages live there
[09:13] <JamesTait> dadexix86, I don't think I've heard of it before, either. I doubt it's a "real" celebration - most of the ones on that site aren't, but I like to try and find something to celebrate in every day. ;)
[09:13] <sil2100> pitti: I don't think we have any checks for those in our silos, hmm
[09:13] <sil2100> Ok, that's bad
[09:13] <pitti> ogra_: I know, but ubuntu-ui-toollkit is in main
[09:13] <ogra_> oh
[09:13] <ogra_> yeah
[09:14] <pitti> sil2100: wgrant just looked, and appaerntly there's a checkbox, but it has the wrong value?
[09:15] <wgrant> Right, on the "Edit PPA dependencies" page there is a radio button to select whether ogre-model is respected.
[09:15] <sil2100> pitti: where's the checkbox?
[09:15] <pitti> what wgrant said
[09:15] <sil2100> pitti, wgrant: the 'Ubuntu components' radio select?
[09:17] <wgrant> sil2100: Right.
[09:17] <wgrant> With "Use all Ubuntu components available" everything builds against multiverse.
[09:17] <sil2100> wgrant: hm, I think this was always set to this, not sure if anyone actually knew of what this option does
[09:17] <pitti> bzoltan_, kalikiana: filed bug 1446533
[09:18] <bzoltan_> pitti:  thanks
[09:18] <pitti> I'm trying to build the package without the ap build dep, I figure I sohld get the sphinx error again?
[09:20] <kalikiana> pitti: yes
[09:20] <kalikiana> so, what exactly can I do here to fix this? if I remove the build dep it'll be akin to not fixing the bug…
[09:21] <sil2100> wgrant: so, when the radio button select is on 'Use the same components used for each source in the Ubuntu primary archive.', does it mean it simply won't allow fetching main package deps from universe, but would still allow the other way around, right?
[09:22] <sil2100> wgrant: e.g. a main package adding universe deps would not work (as we like), but universe packages can fetch main deps?
[09:22] <wgrant> sil2100: Right, the "Use the same components [...]" option behaves like the primary archive, except that sources that don't exist in the primary archive will pretend to be in multiverse.
[09:22] <pitti> kalikiana: I guess there's some options: (1) see if merely reverting the fix would be a release critical bug, or see if we can ignore it
[09:22] <pitti> kalikiana: (2) copy the two bits of required autopilot macros (or whatever it needs) into ui-toolkit
[09:22] <sil2100> Nice
[09:23] <pitti> kalikiana: (3) try and move to python3-autopilot (please let's not peruse the legacy stuff), and bring that into main
[09:23] <sil2100> wgrant: ok, thanks, I guess now that I know about it it would be nice to use it for all our PPAs ;) Let me do that today
[09:23] <pitti> kalikiana: so hte package builds without the build-dep, but I d oget teh sphinx error again
[09:24] <kalikiana> pitti: it's not about macros. sphinx imports the actual module wehn building the docs
[09:24] <pitti> kalikiana: the thing I wonder about -- why does ui-toolkit need to inspect the autopilot python module? shouldn't the docs for AP be built by AP, not by ui-toolkit?
[09:25] <pitti> kalikiana: could we just ship an empty dummy autopilot/__init__.py there to quiesce that?
[09:25] <kalikiana> pitti: hmmm
[09:25] <kalikiana> maybe
[09:27] <Mirv> I just filed bug #1446541 , can you confirm or do you know of a duplicate one?
[09:31] <kalikiana> pitti: I'm trying it out now
[09:31] <pitti> kalikiana: cool, danke
[09:50] <kalikiana> pitti: doesn't look like a fake is going to do it, it's imported fully like in a real autopilot run
[09:51] <pitti> kalikiana: you mean it actually wants symbols from that? that sounds just wrong
[09:51] <kalikiana> pitti: it does indeed. it's complaining about matchers and dbus not being in my fake
[09:55] <pitti> kalikiana: can one tell it to not try and build the whole autopilot docs?
[09:58] <kalikiana> pitti: it doesn't
[09:59] <kalikiana> it's just uitk docs
[10:00] <pitti> well, there must be something which refers to the AP docs?
[10:01] <kalikiana> the uitk python module is imported which in turn imports autopilot
[10:01] <kalikiana> technically sphinx doesn't do that
[10:01] <pitti> ah, that way around
[10:02] <kalikiana> you mentioned python3, what can we do there?
[10:02] <kalikiana> at the time of that change, we still supported python2 and 3 so the choice was arbitrary really
[10:03] <kalikiana> we could easily use python3-autopilot
[10:03] <pitti> kalikiana: if we want to MIR all those autopilot deps, we at least don't want to support the obsolete one
[10:03] <pitti> although, hmm -- reading the graph on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg that wouldn't actually help
[10:05] <kalikiana> is autopilot-legacy the same as python-autopilot?
[10:06] <pitti> kalikiana: yes
[10:06] <pitti> ap-legacy is the source package, p-ap the binary
[10:06] <pitti> (one of the binaries)
[10:07] <kalikiana> ah
[10:07] <kalikiana> okay
[10:08] <kalikiana> pitti: so how do you figure that it wouldn't help? from the graph I can't tell that much
[10:09] <pitti> kalikiana: because bringing p3-autopilot into main still transitively depends on the old one
[10:09] <pitti> because autopilot-gtk still builds modules for both
[10:09] <pitti> I guess once we moved everything away from ap-legacy we can stop building the python2 modules in -gtk and -qt
[10:09] <pitti> but that sounds too late now for vivid
[10:13] <richi__> Can I create a kit for QtCreator/UbuntuSDK  from the commandline?
[10:14] <pitti> elopio, didrocks, bzoltan_: last week jibel mentioned that newer click packages using the SDK now have their tests in app/tests/autopilot/ not tests/autopilot/ any more; is that true?
[10:14] <pitti> elopio, didrocks, bzoltan_: if so, I should probably apply http://paste.ubuntu.com/10860776/ so that one can actually run the tests?
[10:16] <kalikiana> pitti: so conclusion is to kick out the dependency?
[10:18] <kalikiana> short of shipping a copy of ap in the uitk for the purpose of building docs, which we probably don't want either… doesn't seem like we have other options
[10:19] <pitti> kalikiana: if that's less work than you writing 8 MIRs and getting them reviewed by EOD today, yes (I very much think that MIRing them would be a lot more effort)
[10:19] <pitti> kalikiana: could we pre-build the documentatoin and just ship it, as a workaround?
[10:21] <kalikiana> hmmm presumably we could
[10:23] <kalikiana> though tbh I'm not keen on prebuilt docs; the almost never updated docs on d.u.c are an example of why…
[10:25] <pitti> kalikiana: yeah, me neither; but at this point we need a solution fast, I'm afraid :/
[10:30] <kalikiana> I'm giving it a try; in theory we can just ship the built files
[10:57] <kalikiana> pitti: bzoltan_  https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/generatedApDocs/+merge/256910
[11:00] <pitti> kalikiana: reviewed, thanks!
[11:05] <knightwise> morning
[11:05] <knightwise> I did the update on my BQ phone a couple of days ago .. but now I have icons that no longer show up
[11:06] <knightwise> instead of (for example) the transmission icon .. i just have a blank icon in the application scope and in the toolbar on the left
[11:06] <knightwise> anyone else have this experience ?
[11:09] <ogra_> knightwise, someone filed a bug for that, yes
[11:12] <mcphail> Where do I search for bugs about the lockscreen? Unity-greeter on launchpad seems to be desktop orientated
[11:13] <ogra_> the greeter is inside unity8 on the phone
[11:13] <mcphail> I read somewhere in the unity8 buglist that the greeter had been made a separate package. Is that incorrect?
[11:16] <ogra_> mcphail, it still lives in the same source afaik ... it has its own binary package ... ( Saviq may correct me if i'm wrong)
[11:17] <jgdx> pitti, how's it going? :)
[11:19] <mcphail> Thanks ogra_
[11:20] <Saviq> mcphail, unity8 still indeed
[11:22] <mcphail> Saviq: cheers. Searching now
[11:22] <pitti> jgdx: having lots of fun with last-minute release-critical bugs :)
[11:23] <pitti> jdstrand: greetings from Blue Fin!
[11:23] <davmor2> pitti: man if that's your idea of fun you need to get out more
[11:23] <davmor2> jibel: tonight kidnap pitti make him do something fun show him what fun really is ;)
[11:26] <ogra_> pete-woods, tedg, i'm tasked to make a comparison between RTM and vivid image sizes ... looking at the added/removed packages i see the hud has come back in vivid, eating massive amounts of space due to the sphinx deps ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/10860757/ could we un-seed it again (since we dont use the hud on the phone still)
[11:28] <pete-woods> ogra_: it's definitely not needed on the phone, no
[11:28] <ogra_> sil2100, ^^^ do you have any ideas when the hud and unitzy-voice-service entered vivid images ? i cant find a changeset for that
[11:28] <jgdx> pitti, :( Good luck! Let me know when things quiet down ( :P ).
[11:29] <ogra_> sil2100, the first trace of it in vivid is image 174, but thats an upgrade, it has been seeded before apparently
[11:31] <ogra_> seb128, any idea why the phone in vivid ships adwaita-icon-theme  ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10860757/
[11:34] <Se7> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libusermetrics/+bug/1438191   no news about thar :(
[11:35] <seb128> ogra_, it's the new name for gnome-icon-theme
[11:35] <seb128> ogra_, which is in your removed list
[11:36] <ogra_> seb128, yeah, but only at a third of the size
[11:36] <seb128> ogra_, talk to Laney and darkxst, they should be equivalent
[11:36] <sil2100> ogra_: hud? hm, I think it never actually got removed from the images
[11:36] <mcphail> My bq phone sometimes does not respond to swipes to unlock, and the circle in the middle does not change text when double-tapped. I can still unlock the phone by pulling in the dash, selecting an app and typing the unlock code. My phone is in this state just now. Where should I start debugging?
[11:36] <ogra_> sil2100, it is seeded :P
[11:37]  * ogra_ checks the commit logs for the seed
[11:37] <sil2100> ogra_: I remember there was a MR from you that wanted to remove it from the seeds but it never got merged
[11:37] <sil2100> I remember it since I saw it in the sponsoring queue as part of another change
[11:37] <sil2100> So it never got unseeded ;)
[11:37] <ogra_> sil2100, well, the vivid seeds should base on the rtm ones and rtm doesnt have it seeded
[11:38] <sil2100> It's not that it got re-added, just never removed in vivid
[11:38] <ogra_>                 | == Apps ==
[11:38] <ogra_>                 |
[11:38] <ogra_>                 |  * hud
[11:38] <ogra_> 9       ogra@ub |  * webbrowser-app
[11:38] <ogra_> yeah
[11:38] <ogra_> bzr blame agrees
[11:38] <ogra_> damn
[11:42] <kalikiana> bzoltan_: re-targeted the branch https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/generatedApDocs/+merge/256913
[11:46] <mcphail> Does anyone know the best way to debug my lock screen? It isn't unlocking when swiped
[11:47] <mcphail> ls
[11:47] <ogra_> Laney, seb128, FYI, i unseeded hud from touch ... but left it in desktop since you guys dont have the size restrictions touch has ... so people can still play with hud stuff on unity8 desktop
[11:48] <Laney> can you access it?
[11:48] <ogra_> not sure, but if someone wants to work on ways to access it, it is available
[11:48] <seb128> ogra_, thanks
[11:48] <Laney> i'd remove it as well if it's not useful
[11:48] <seb128> +1
[11:48] <Laney> (imo)
[11:48] <ogra_> ok
[11:48] <Laney> thanks
[11:49] <popey> mcphail: probably crashed
[11:49] <popey> mcphail: is the time updating?
[11:49] <mcphail> popey: yes. I'd like to debug it to get a fix. Happens every couple of days
[11:50] <popey> mcphail: wait for a few minutes, probably apport is writing a crash file in /var/crash
[11:50] <popey> let it finish
[11:50] <mcphail> popey: can still unlock by opening app from launcher
[11:50] <popey> oh
[11:50] <popey> its not frozen completely then?
[11:50] <ogra_> ah
[11:50] <mcphail> popey: no
[11:50] <ogra_> only the right swipe s broken ?
[11:50] <popey> greeter crash?
[11:50] <ogra_> we have a bug for that somewhere
[11:50] <mcphail> popey: info in circle doesn't change on double tap
[11:50] <ogra_> popey, no
[11:50] <popey> ok. i dont know then.
[11:51] <mcphail> ogra_: i can't find a bug filed under unity8
[11:51] <ogra_> bug 1391149
[11:51] <ogra_> fix is in vivid already it seems ... just a matter of time to hit the phones
[11:53] <mcphail> ogra_: that'll be why i couldn't find it, if fix released :)
[11:53] <ogra_> yeah, it isnt fix released in RTM
[12:03] <ogra_> slangasek, i see you did the merge of console-setup in vivid, is console-setup-linux a new package that debian introduced or is it just split out of the former console-setup (wondering if the extra 1M the -linux package eats now have been used before in RTM)
[12:17] <kekambas> cwayne, sup?
[12:18] <kekambas> ogra_, sup?
[12:30] <Mirv> which project to file design requests under? I remember seeing it but I now can't find a bug where it would be included
[12:30] <robin-hero> Mirv: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux
[12:31] <Mirv> robin-hero: thanks! that's exactly what I was searching for but just couldn't remember.
[12:31] <robin-hero> Mirv: you're welcome!
[12:36] <leousa> anyone here can help with a problem in ubuntu-push-client?
[12:38] <Mirv> so my first bug is actually bug #1384814 <- jdstrand I heard you were also interested in that at some point, can you give your input in there too (if you have anything to add)?
[12:39] <jdstrand> pitti: hi! :)
[12:45]  * ogra_ is totally with Laney on that bug
[12:45] <ogra_> i would freak out if i couldnt lock my phone and had to wait on a timer
[12:45] <leousa> :ERROR: The name com.ubuntu.PushNotifications was not provided by any .service files
[12:45] <leousa> any idea what can be causing this?
[12:46] <ogra_> your push service not running i would guess ...
[12:46] <leousa> well yeah that's the problem
[12:46] <leousa> no notifications since last OTA
[12:46] <leousa> still don't know why
[12:46] <ogra_> is that an unmodified, readonly standard image on a bq ?
[12:46] <leousa> or how to fix
[12:47] <leousa> yes, is a BQ phone r21 unmodified
[12:47]  * ogra_ forgot who took over the push service from Chipaca
[12:47] <Chipaca> leousa: the push team is coming online, i'd expect them to answer your email shortly
[12:48] <leousa> great, i have filed the bug on launchpad Bug #1445465
[12:48] <Chipaca> leousa: question: did you install anything on your phone via apt-get or something like that?
[12:48] <leousa> nope nothing
[12:48] <leousa> just some apps from app store
[12:48] <Chipaca> leousa: yes, i saw that, that's what i meant about people getting back to you
[12:49] <Chipaca> leousa: something is very busted on your phone :(  nothing we can't fix, i hope, but i'll leave it to the team
[12:49] <leousa> not very encouraging but thanks anyway
[12:49] <leousa> since i haven't done anything to bust it
[12:50] <ogra_> you seem to be the only one seeing this so far though
[12:50] <Chipaca> leousa: yeah. So if you could have a bit of patience, your phone is the only instance we know of that's doing this, so we need your help figuring it out before we can fix it
[12:50] <ogra_> (at least from the people we get feedback from, there is surely enough others not on the ML, IRC or G+)
[12:51] <leousa> I am all about patience :)
[12:51] <Chipaca> leousa: excellent :) thank you, and sorry it's messed up
[12:51] <Chipaca> ralsina: ^^ fwiw
[12:51]  * Chipaca goes for lunch
[12:53] <Mirv> and here's my other part of that bug, bug #1446635
[12:55] <robin-hero> Hi all! I think my GPS doesn't work. I tried it several time, but no luck. (bq, r21) Pictures:http://imgur.com/kKMg404 http://imgur.com/kKMg404,JAoea2t#1
[12:58] <popey> robin-hero: what do you see in system settings -> security & privacy -> location ? http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-04-21-135745.png
[13:01] <robin-hero> popey: http://imgur.com/583puq2
[13:04] <ogra_> Saviq, what does unity8 use from unity-asset-pool ? it pulls in a lot of unwanted theme packages
[13:04] <robin-hero> popey: How many minutes while the GPS has got signal? I tried it for about 10 minutes.
[13:05] <pitti> hey jdstrand
[13:05] <ogra_> robin-hero, without network about 20-30min
[13:05] <ogra_> and you should be outside or near a window
[13:05] <Saviq> ogra_, dunno from the top of my head, we'd need to find out
[13:05] <Mirv> I know my Bq usage escalates quickly to the "hack" area, but what would be a way to disable app lifecycle management for a certain app (like terminal)
[13:06] <ogra_> Saviq, yeah, we do, that eats a lot of space ...
[13:06] <Mirv> breaking ssh connections are unfortunate
[13:06] <robin-hero> ogra_: I have network (tried in a big city) and of course outside
[13:06] <ogra_> robin-hero, your indicator shows you have no network
[13:06] <ogra_> at least when you took the screenshot
[13:07] <Saviq> ogra_, well, truth be told, we're not depending on it directly, so you can assume we're not using anything from it :P
[13:07] <robin-hero> ogra_: Yeah, the third one. I took this pictures later inside :) see the first and the second pictures
[13:07] <Saviq> ogra_, none of us were looking explicitly at that package to find any assets I don't think (will ask in our standup)
[13:08] <ogra_> Saviq, thanks ... it pulls in humanity-icon-theme, ubuntu-mono and adwaita-icon-theme
[13:09] <ogra_> about 10-20M in total on disk
[13:09] <tsdgeos> anyone knows where do i open a bug if the weather app "find me" says i'm like 600km away from where i am?
[13:09] <ogra_> tsdgeos, i'm sure there is one open ... though 600km is a new record ...
[13:09] <ogra_> for me its usually 200km
[13:10] <ogra_> cwayne, ^^^ do you remember the bug number ?
[13:11] <tsdgeos> 614km by car i guess straight line would be a bit less
[13:11] <Mirv> ogra_: Saviq: I filed a bug tracking among else unity-asset-pool and others regarding their pulling of GTK3 at bug #1436211 - just removing unity-asset-pool is not enough, but fixing the need of it would be beneficial
[13:11] <ogra_> iirc that scope uses geoip data
[13:11] <cwayne> tsdgeos, ogra_ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rest-scopes/+bug/1421801
[13:11] <ogra_> Mirv, lovely, thanks !
[13:12] <ogra_> pmcgowan, can we get bug 1436211 on the canonical-system-image radar ?
[13:13] <Mirv> I will try to take care of bug #1436215 when Debian decides what to do about it :)
[13:14] <ogra_> Mirv, i doubt we can get rid of gtk3 though ... unless e-d-s stops using glib
[13:14] <Mirv> ogra_: well glib is not the problem, gtk3 dep is
[13:15] <pmcgowan> ogra_, jeesh
[13:15] <ogra_> oh, i see it now
[13:15] <Mirv> the eds library only uses libglib, but the question is if e-d-s can be modified to not require GTK3 since we're not using GUI parts of it
[13:15]  * ogra_ was looking at the wrong package
[13:15] <ogra_> yeah
[13:15] <ogra_> but that doesnt look like a quick thing :/
[13:16] <Mirv> not all good things are quick :)
[13:16] <ogra_> but free !
[13:16] <ogra_> :)
[13:16] <Mirv> good things also come to those who wait
[13:16] <seb128> ogra_, having e-d-s not pulling gtk should be easy enough, I looked at that previous cycle (and I though I did the change, but maybe not)
[13:16] <ogra_> seb128, oh !
[13:20] <speck84> Hy all
[13:20] <speck84> I wish to do my first app in ubuntu touch
[13:20] <ogra_> yay
[13:20] <speck84> Can somebody sop kind and help to fix my ubuntu
[13:20] <speck84> It's something missing
[13:21] <speck84> But I don't know what
[13:21] <speck84> Anyway hello work doesnt work ide
[13:22] <speck84> Orga can u pls help me out from this crysis
[13:22] <jgdx> what's missing?
[13:22] <speck84> First of all not working secondly it keep asking me to install 15.04 amfs but is done several times
[13:23] <speck84> in a QML project there is not loading I will show u
[13:23] <jgdx> what directions did you follow?
[13:25] <speck84> ubuntu deleloper webpage guided me
[13:25] <speck84> I using Ubuntu 15.04 RC
[13:25] <speck84> ^$it
[13:25] <speck84> My phone is nexus 4
[13:27] <jgdx> what webpage and what step are you on?
[13:28] <speck84> jgdx
[13:28] <speck84> the genuin ubuntu
[13:28] <speck84> Here is my errors
[13:28] <speck84> http://postimg.org/image/720frk3fh/
[13:28] <speck84> and another
[13:28] <speck84> http://postimg.org/image/49btl9sgt/
[13:29] <speck84> Thats all my problem
[13:30] <ogra_> bzoltan_, ^^^^
[13:30] <bzoltan_> bzoltan_: let me see
[13:30] <ogra_> heh
[13:30] <speck84> Thx mate I priciate
[13:30] <speck84> BZOltan are u hungarian?
[13:31] <bzoltan_> speck84: Yes, I am
[13:31] <speck84> Me too
[13:31] <bzoltan_> speck84:  We are everywhere :) We rule the world :D
[13:31] <speck84> shell we go in to private Bzoltan?
[13:31] <bzoltan_> speck84:  as you wish
[13:31] <speck84> thx
[13:37] <Saviq> cwayne, can you please adopt bug #1446636
[13:40] <cwayne_> Saviq, yep, was moving it over but got pulled into a meeting
[13:40] <Saviq> tx
[14:01] <slangasek> ogra_: it's a split of the previous package
[14:01] <ogra_> slangasek, thanks
[14:15] <JamesTait> popey, do you know who is the best person to give feedback on the Aquaris user manual? My dad found an error. :)
[14:15] <popey> JamesTait: victorp i think
[14:15] <JamesTait> Thanks! :)
[14:16] <victorp> JamesTait, send me in an email and I will send it to bq
[14:16] <JamesTait> victorp, perfect, I'll do that. Thanks guys!
[14:28] <jgdx> mpt, hey, there's a thing I don't understand wrt the apn spec. When you open the editor (dialog), are the text fields empty or prepopulated?
[14:33] <jgdx> mpt, I've implemented the design and my experience, from using it a while, says it should be populated with the currently active APN.
[14:35] <mpt> jgdx, of course :-)
[14:37] <jgdx> mpt, really? :p Are you saying I sometimes have to think for myself?
[14:43] <mpt> jgdx, it was implied by the citation of bug 1388222, but I’ve just made it explicit. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking?action=diff&rev2=265&rev1=264>
[14:44] <jgdx> mpt, awesome. Thanks.
[15:21] <faenil> tsdgeos: would you happen to know why using mascot instead of art as the source for a card image makes it collapse as if it had no image?
[15:21] <faenil> the image is shown, but the card is too short
[15:21] <tsdgeos> faenil: bug? :D
[15:21] <faenil> xD
[15:21] <faenil> I don't see why it happens...
[15:22] <tsdgeos> faenil: can you make it happen with make tryCard?
[15:22] <faenil> currently they have the same path
[15:22] <faenil> I can't test that because I'm using custom stuff
[15:22] <faenil> art and mascot have the same path atm, but one makes the card collapse...
[15:22] <faenil> (still the image shows, so the path is correct)
[15:23] <faenil> I wonder if it could have something to do with the mascot being a variant on c++ side, while art is directly a string
[15:23] <faenil> but I can't see how that should affect anything :/
[15:23] <faenil> (as long as the image can access that strinG)
[15:25] <faenil> mm no it's not that...using "result" (which is a string on c++ side) also makes it collapse (but still, the image shows)
[15:30] <faenil> and the heights are correct..
[15:32] <tsdgeos> faenil: did you do any change to the card creator code?
[15:33] <faenil> sure :)
[15:34] <faenil> I still can't see how modifying the property which feeds an image can cause this, as long as the image can access that property
[15:40] <nik90> victorp: ping (about bug 1446715)
[15:40] <victorp> hi nik90
[15:40] <nik90> victorp: hi, in the bug report you mention " While the new version shows the far is full straight away" .. was it version 0.6.beta4 that you tested?
[15:41] <nik90> victorp: you can check that in Settings->About
[15:41] <victorp> beta2
[15:41] <victorp> I can try 4
[15:41] <nik90> victorp: ah..we improved that behavior in beta4..You can find that in http://nik90.com/podbird-v0-6-call-for-testing/
[15:41] <victorp> do you have a link to download it?
[15:42] <nik90> victorp: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f2p4padh2k2shtw/com.mikeasoft.podbird_0.6_armhf.click?dl=0
[15:43] <nik90> victorp: the issue is that sometime ubuntu download manager returns strange download values and it seems to be a upstream bug. We have already reported it at bug 1420853
[15:43] <faenil> tsdgeos: if I use a hardcoded path it works, if I use art it works, if I use mascot, the image still shows but the size is wrong
[15:43] <faenil> sounds like a timing issue with the evaluation of the CardGrid card height
[15:43] <faenil> (I'd think it uses bindings...)
[15:44] <tsdgeos> may be
[15:44] <tsdgeos> it's all a bit complex in there
[15:45] <faenil> yeah
[15:50] <felipealmeida> has anyone succeeded in using ubuntu touch in samsung s4 or s5?
[15:51] <ogra_> !devices
[15:51] <ogra_> felipealmeida, see that wikipage
[15:52] <felipealmeida> ogra_: thanks
[15:52] <victorp> nik90, at the moment the app is refusing to download anything, trying to clean it up
[15:53] <felipealmeida> ogra_: since ubuntu touch leverages on cyanogenmod, it should not be that hard to port it right?
[15:53] <felipealmeida> for S5, it is not in the list
[15:53] <ogra_> we moved to AOSP quite a while ago
[15:53] <nik90> victorp: ok..all downloaded stuff should be in .local/share/com.mikeasoft/podcasts folder
[15:54] <victorp> nik90, ok a reboot worked, I can see what you have done in beta4 with an infinite download bar
[15:54] <victorp> wfm..
[15:54] <victorp> nik90, I will close the bug
[15:54] <nik90> :)
[15:56] <felipealmeida> ogra_: the point is still valid on the porting?
[15:56] <felipealmeida> if I install the closed source drivers, ofc
[15:57] <ogra_> you need to rebuild the android tree and remove most of it ... add the ubuntu bits (libhybris and other stuff), patch the kernel to support all required pieces ... and sprinkle your binary drivers in the right places
[15:58] <ogra_> see the porting guide from the channel topic
[16:02] <rsalveti> felipealmeida: easy to do if you have an AOSP based port for such devices
[16:04] <nik90> Elleo: I think if you add qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin, you dont need to add qml-module-qt-labs-settings and qml-module-qtquick-localstorage since they the sdk should already depend on them, no?
[16:08] <Elleo> nik90: seems not, someone on the ubuntu forums found those packages were missing when they installed
[16:08] <nik90> Elleo: oh
[16:12] <pitti> sil2100: can we land https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/generatedApDocs/+merge/256913 now? it's on the images, and we are getting pressed for having a good candidate image
[16:12] <sil2100> pitti: hey! Let me take a look
[16:12] <bzoltan_> sil2100: pitti:  that MR is targeting the stagin
[16:13] <pitti> yeah, we originally had an MP targetting trunk
[16:13] <pitti> and this got superseded
[16:13] <pitti> not sure how  this staging branch thing works
[16:13] <bzoltan_> sil2100: pitti: unless if you want to pull it it from the normal landing process and push it straight to the trunk.
[16:13] <sil2100> bzoltan_: we'll need to have this released ASAP - do you have any changes staged in staging?
[16:13] <bzoltan_> pitti:  we have a pretty solid landing process... to avoid regression
[16:13] <sil2100> bzoltan_: we could get it into staging and then release it as a cherrypick to trunk too
[16:14] <sil2100> Since I guess this is blocking vivid release
[16:14] <bzoltan_> sil2100: pitti I have 4 other important changes in the staging. I was about to start a new landing today .. but kalikiana had problems with the license check and Jenkins failed on this MR
[16:14] <sil2100> pitti: is infinity aware of the problems caused by UITK and that we're waiting for this to be fixed?
[16:15] <sil2100> bzoltan_: hm, I would say let's release it as it is, as to release staging you'd have to run all the tests, right?
[16:15] <pitti> sil2100: yes, he asked me to coordinate with you and discuss how we could solve this with you
[16:15] <bzoltan_> sil2100: pitti: this MR what you want is not effecting the UITK's functionality at all.. so if you want we can push it to the trunk and land it on a fast track
[16:15] <pitti> the pre-compiled docs shouldn't have a runtime impact, as long as the resulting .debs are the same, right?
[16:15] <sil2100> bzoltan_: so my idea would be - try getting this to staging as well so that it's merging cleanly and just merge to trunk
[16:15] <sil2100> And release
[16:15] <bzoltan_> sil2100: pitti: Yes, landing via staging means about 24h
[16:16] <sil2100> bzoltan_: ok, the same thing as what I would propose, let's fasttrack it
[16:16] <pitti> so we could take the original MP into trunk, and rebase staging?
[16:16] <freerage> Hi, I'm back with my SMS import from android to touch. I managed to convert the android file to the history.sqlite (text_events) to try out but since then imported sent messages (from self) has a busy icon just in the left of the message...
[16:16] <sil2100> pitti: yeah, something like this
[16:16] <bzoltan_> pitti:  yes
[16:16] <bzoltan_> kalikiana: _PING_
[16:16] <sil2100> bzoltan_: should we make an MP targetting trunk and do a silo with that? Sounds ok?
[16:16] <pitti> we have that:
[16:17] <pitti> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/generatedApDocs/+merge/256910
[16:17] <pitti> so we can land that
[16:17] <bzoltan_> sil2100: Yes
[16:17] <sil2100> pitti: let's land that - is this a valid MP still? Or does it need to be resubmitted? As it's in the 'Superseeded' state now
[16:17] <kalikiana> it will have the same licensecheck problems, though
[16:17] <sil2100> CI Train won't care about that, but not sure if CI Train will be able to mark it as merged
[16:18] <sil2100> kalikiana: I think we'll try to resolve those properly for the staging landing, I would opt for ignoring it for the fast-track landing to unblock vivid
[16:18] <sil2100> kalikiana: are those some serious copyright issues? Or just licensecheck making problems?
[16:19] <pitti> we can certainly set the state back to "approved"?
[16:19] <bzoltan_> sil2100: Yes, let's fast track it
[16:19] <pitti> I can, anyway
[16:19] <kalikiana> sil2100: the check doesn't recognize the format of the headers - short of that it could ignore the _build folder (works locally), they are MIT as I checked
[16:19] <sil2100> pitti: ok, if you can then CI Train bot should be able to as well ;)
[16:19] <sil2100> kalikiana: ok, then it's just the script's fault, thanks :)
[16:20] <sil2100> pitti: let me create a landing for that
[16:20] <pitti> cool, thanks
[16:20] <pitti> sil2100: I saw another landing with an ui-toolkit branch, might that collide?
[16:20] <kalikiana> sil2100: how do I go about fixing the script? so we'll be able to do a proper landing after this fast-track merge
[16:20] <pitti> sil2100: ah, not a landing, just in the spreadsheet, so sohuld be fine
[16:21] <sil2100> kalikiana: I think we might need to bring it up with CI on #ubuntu-ci-eng
[16:22] <bzoltan_> pitti: sil2100: do you guys want to handle this MR?
[16:22] <sil2100> bzoltan_: I filled in a landing and assigning a silo :)
[16:22] <pitti> if I can help with this, please let me know
[16:22] <sil2100> We're all listed as landers so that any of us can react
[16:23] <sil2100> hm
[16:23] <sil2100> pitti: I need to create a new MP, it's targetting the wrong branch
[16:23] <pitti> sil2100: the superseded one? that's still wrong?
[16:23] <bzoltan_> sil2100: pitti: great! Thanks
[16:24] <sil2100> pitti: it's targetting lp:ubuntu/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, should target lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit I suppose
[16:24] <muka> is there a way to call the browser-app from bash or python?
[16:25] <sil2100> bzoltan_: do you have a moment to help me out in a moment? Since you probably have much more experience to do the -gles changes quickly ;)
[16:26] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  I will need to go offline in 10 about ten minutes
[16:26] <sil2100> pitti, bzoltan_: new merge https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/generatedApDocs/+merge/256970
[16:26] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  but yes
[16:26] <sil2100> bzoltan_: ok, no worries, I'll take care of it in case you're not around :)
[16:27] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  Just branch the lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit/gles change the silo number in the watch file and dch -i it. Add the same version number as the orig.tar.gz of the main UITK package
[16:27] <bzoltan_> sil2100: look for what the actual changelog head says ... follow that one. Nobrainer :)
[16:29] <sil2100> bzoltan_: ACK ;) Well, I did that once already, but usually it takes a bit longer for me to make sure nothing is broken
[16:29] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  ping me if you need help
[16:46] <sil2100> bzoltan_, pitti: ok, I think I have everything properly building now
[16:47] <sil2100> bzoltan_, pitti: the -gles counterpart is nor being built as well
[16:56] <pitti> sil2100: "nor" == "now", I hope? :-) thanks!
[16:56] <sil2100> pitti: hah, yeah ;) Typo, I meant 'now' ;p
[17:25] <pitti> sil2100: hm, sholdn't https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-021/+packages have -gles too?
[17:25] <pitti> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-021-1-build/100/console says it uploaded it
[17:25] <sil2100> Yeah, I'm wondering about that ;/
[17:26] <pitti> sil2100: also, note that -gles is in universe, so that one is actually fine
[17:26] <pitti> we don't technically need to change that
[17:26] <pitti> (might still be nicer for easier branch handling, but not vivid-critical)
[17:26] <sil2100> Well, we generally prefer to keep both in sync, but we can land that later in case it causes problems
[17:27] <pitti> yes, just pointing it out
[17:27] <sil2100> I wonder iif there was a rejection
[17:28] <sil2100> cjwatson: hey! Could you give us a hand and check if the recent -gles upload to silo PPA 021 got rejected? Not sure where the e-mails are sent
[17:32] <cjwatson> sil2100: 2015-04-21 17:22:13 DEBUG   Unable to find ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles_1.2.1485+15.04.20150421.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution.
[17:33] <sil2100> huh? It didn't build it with -sa, but how did this work before actually?
[17:33] <sil2100> Let me try uploading that manually
[17:33] <sil2100> (not to waste time)
[17:50] <sil2100> pitti: ok, now building, phew
[17:50] <sil2100> pitti: can you pick this up and poke robru once the silo is built? :)
[17:50]  * sil2100 needs to jump out now
[17:50] <sil2100> I'll be back later to check the status
[17:50] <sil2100> robru: ^ if you could publish silo 21 ASAP it would be cool
[17:51] <robru> sil2100: sure
[17:51] <pitti> robru: thanks; we need to get out of the office soon as well
[17:51] <kenvandine> Elleo, i updated the content-hub test plan to test ebooks with beru now, instead of that test click
[17:51] <kenvandine> beru with content-hub support is in the store now
[17:52] <kenvandine> Elleo, and my serialized_content_transfers branch is ready for review now
[17:53] <robru> pitti: actually core devs have permission to publish silos, but yes I'm around, just ping me when it's ready
[17:55] <robru> pitti: actually what is the rush? Are you wanting to build an image immediately after it publishes?
[17:56] <pitti> robru: yes
[17:56] <pitti> robru: as it's on the ubuntu images, and we need to get a candidate for the final release
[17:56] <Elleo> kenvandine: okay, cool; will review in the morning :)
[17:57] <kenvandine> Elleo, thx
[17:58] <robru> pitti: ok.
[18:00] <pitti> robru: so I see -gles is building
[18:00] <pitti> robru: so if you could publish those after they are built, I'd be grateful
[18:00] <robru> pitti: yes, i will
[18:00] <pitti> robru: we need to leave the office now, sorry
[18:00] <pitti> robru: cool, thanks
[18:01] <robru> pitti: should i be publishing to vivid or the overlay PPA?
[18:01] <pitti> robru: to vivid please, that's the entire point of the exercise :)
[18:01] <pitti> kalikiana, bzoltan_, robru: many thanks for your fast help!
[18:12] <robru> pitti: need merges approved: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-021-2-publish/48/console
[18:12] <robru> bzoltan_: ^
[18:51] <SturmFlut> I suppose the "H" indicator icon tells me that my phone thinks it has a 3.5G connection, an IP address and a matching IP route, right?
[18:53] <popey> HSDPA ya.
[18:54] <SturmFlut> popey: Okay, because just now my bq displayed the "H" indicator, but didn't have an IP address nor a route.  I toggled flight mode and now it has an IP address and a route.
[18:55] <popey> known bug i think
[18:59] <SturmFlut> popey: Do you remember the bug description or even the number? I am browsing through bug reports for network-manager but there's nearly a thousand
[18:59]  * SturmFlut especially likes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1388130
[19:00] <dobey> SturmFlut: i think you want to look at indicator-network for relevant bugs
[19:12] <SturmFlut> popey: I think the known issue we're thinking about was https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg11187.html
[19:13] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: Ping
[19:13] <mzanetti> SturmFlut, hey
[19:13] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: Do you remember if there was a matching Launchpad bug for this report?
[19:14] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg11194.html
[19:14] <mzanetti> awe_, ^
[19:16] <awe_> SturmFlut, https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1435328
[19:16] <mzanetti> SturmFlut, I've reported this but apparently there are multiple different things and I lost track about them
[19:16] <awe_> there are multiple bugs with respect to the mobile data connection failing after toggling off wifi, leaving wifi ap range, or just letting the phone idle when on mobile data
[19:17] <awe_> we believe we have a fix for the root cause of all these issues
[19:17] <awe_> we have a fix in a silo, and are testing as we speak
[19:17] <mzanetti> nice :)
[19:17] <mzanetti> thanks awe_
[19:17] <awe_> unfortunately I can't give an accurate estimate of when we'll release the hotfix, but pretty sure it will be soon
[19:18] <awe_> ( hopefully in the next week; but no promises )
[19:23] <SturmFlut> awe_: Nice, thanks! I just wanted to know if it is being handled, I can wait for a fix.
[19:24] <awe_> yw
[19:24] <awe_> keep an eye on the bug for more updates
[19:25] <SturmFlut> awe_: I just subscribed to it
[19:25] <awe_> ok, great
[19:40] <lolcat> Hello
[19:40] <lolcat> does it work with Lumia 640?
[19:41] <SturmFlut> lolcat: Sadly no
[19:43] <lolcat> Dammit
[19:43] <lolcat> As far as I can tell the preformance to price ratio on that is awesome, but how would I live with windows on a phone?
[19:43] <SturmFlut> lolcat: Yeah, the price is incredible, but those Windows phones are pretty locked down
[19:44] <SturmFlut> In contrast to Windows tablets
[19:45] <lolcat> SturmFlut: so it is just the bootloader that is the issue? Not the drivers?
[19:46] <dobey> lolcat: if you could get Android 4.4 running on it, then you could theoretically also get Ubuntu running on it.
[19:46] <dobey> lolcat: if Android 4.4 won't run on it, it's not likely you'll get an Ubuntu phone image working on it
[19:50] <k1l> lolcat: "just the bootloader" is a huge barrier.
[19:51] <lolcat> k1l: I don't quite understand how that works. Like little children broke xbox and playstation
[19:51] <k1l> lolcat: total different level on the arm stuff in smartphones
[19:52] <lolcat> k1l: I always thought of ARM as an trivially simple architecture
[19:52] <k1l> you cant just flash a new firmware to the bootloader and you are good to go. its all that secureboot stuff etc.
[19:58] <lolcat> k1l: looks like xda can flash any lumnia
[20:00] <SturmFlut> lolcat: ...with something other than Windows?
[20:00] <lolcat> SturmFlut: not entirely sure
[20:01] <lolcat> I have 3g so I cant load unlimited webpages, arrgh
[20:01] <lolcat> I should order me some 35/35mbit internet
[20:01] <k1l> since we dont have generic drivers for all the stuff inside the smartphones its a real pain to get that stuff work
[20:01] <k1l> and the manufacturers only provide blobs and not the sources.
[20:02] <lolcat> Use the blobs then?
[20:04] <dobey> we do
[20:05] <dobey> but i doubt MS has blobs for the Android 4.4 kernel, for drivers for a windows phone
[20:05] <dobey> but hey, maybe they published an AOSP tree for their phone
[20:15] <lolcat> dobey: use windows blobs then?
[20:16] <dobey> lolcat: that isn't possible.
[20:17] <lolcat> dobey: #reactos begs to differ
[20:17] <dobey> lolcat: then go bug them to get running on a lumia phone?
[20:18] <lolcat> dobey: Reactos is a terrible idea and their devs are slower than a glacier
[20:19] <k1l> dobey: dont compare x86 with arm when it comes to drivers etc.
[20:19] <k1l> erm, lolcat was meant
[20:19] <dobey> it's not linux, either. it's a reverse engineered implementation of the entire windows system.
[20:19] <dobey> and i'm pretty sure windows server 2003 didn't support arm
[20:20] <lolcat> k1l: Not that different
[20:20] <lolcat> dobey: I am just pointing out the windows phone thing can be reverse engeneered
[20:21] <k1l> lolcat: sorry. that is just plain wrong
[20:21] <dobey> lolcat: sure, feel free to spend your time tearing the hardware apart and reverse engineering it then :)
[20:21] <lolcat> dobey: not the hardware the windows phone kernel so we can use the driver blobs
[20:22] <dobey> lolcat: well apparently you already know what all needs to be done, so nothing we can answer you in here :)
[20:23] <lolcat> I am not that dedicated, I guess I will just buy one phone with ubuntu-touch allready


[00:28] <talktalk2017> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/09/25/ubucon-europe-2017/
[01:12] <oterrivel> hello
[01:14] <oterrivel> how to access a NTFS partition with a normal account? prompts for main account password when mounting/unmounting.
[01:14] <oterrivel> what is the check list
[01:15] <oterrivel> anyone?
[01:42] <ubuntumateuser> Hi all, what kind of a chat room is this?
[01:43] <ubuntumateuser> Is it for help with the OS, or more of a cafe chat?
[02:27] <TimApple> It's everything you just said
[02:27] <TimApple> Not a lot of traffic though
[02:27] <TimApple> Better to reach out for help on the forums.. https://ubuntu-mate.community/
[05:48] <m4t> hi, i just switched to compton using mate-tweak. was using marco software compositing before. i noticed that alt-tab just shows app icons instead of previews. is this a limitation of using a separate compositor, or is there a workaround?
[06:15] <ali1234> its a limitation of a separate compositor
[06:15] <ali1234> alt tab is rendered by window manager, and if it isn't also the compositor it can't know what windows look like
[06:28] <m4t> thanks
[06:49] <umut> hi bros
[06:49] <umut> sa türk var mı
[07:04] <m4t> hrm
[07:04]  * m4t tried mutter
[07:05] <m4t> it "works" but i guess it's not very tightly integrated
[08:22] <Gallomimia> running ubuntu mate 16.04 on a gigabyte 990fxa-ud3 board. having trouble with bios options like ehci and iommu. whole system won't boot
[08:28] <diogenes_> Gallomimia, boot with acpi=off option
[08:30] <Gallomimia> is that a grub option?
[08:30] <diogenes_> yes
[08:31] <Gallomimia> finding where to put that has been elusive. i'm challenged by the fact that the system won't boot now to update it in permanent fashion
[08:31] <diogenes_> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi=off"
[08:31] <Gallomimia> yeah. that's in a place i can't access right now
[08:31] <diogenes_> is the system installed? or you just booting from usb?
[08:31] <Gallomimia> installed
[08:32] <Gallomimia> booting is not a thing that is happening.
[08:32] <Gallomimia> booting "from" something is irrelevant. grub does load from the main drive tho
[08:32] <diogenes_> then grab a usb drive and boot into live session
[08:32] <diogenes_> and tehre you can change
[08:37] <Gallomimia> looking at 10-15 mins to reflash the drive i think
[08:37] <Gallomimia> didn't seem to boot the first time
[08:37] <Gallomimia> or even recognize the usb
[08:38] <diogenes_> do you see the usb when you press f9 or esc or f12 or whaever your motherboard action key is?
[08:39] <diogenes_> the boot menu option?
[08:39] <Gallomimia> i see two entries for "ubuntu" which i think are both the main drive
[08:40] <Gallomimia> boots to a grub promt
[08:41] <diogenes_> I mean the installation media? how did you install the system? via DVD? USB?
[08:41] <Gallomimia> the usb drive i'm reflashing right now
[08:41] <Gallomimia> didn't recognize it tho
[08:42] <m4t> i came across this https://github.com/richardgv/skippy-xd
[08:42] <diogenes_> switch your pc off completely, even pull out the ac cable, then insert the usb and boot into bios, see if the usb is recognized there and make is the primary boot option
[08:42] <m4t> it'd need to be run on session start and then a hotkey would need to run the command that "activates" it
[08:42] <Gallomimia> oo
[08:42] <m4t> but the window previews work :)
[08:49] <m4t> there's also https://github.com/jotrk/x-choyce
[08:49] <m4t> didn't try it yet tho
[08:53] <Gallomimia> fek i wish i could just figure out how to work with a grub prompt
[08:56] <diogenes_> Gallomimia, Im my case I have a multiboot usb which uses grub to hande different kinds of bootable isos and you can add any grub options for every iso separately, in that case if there's acpi conflict for any of the iso, I just add acpi=off for that particular brub meny entry and it boots with no issues
[08:56] <diogenes_> handle*
[08:56] <Gallomimia> i've got one that had a full install done on it
[09:01] <m4t> lol actually x:choyce doesn't work. it compiles, but when you run it and hit super+tab, xorg just freezes and something (i didn't check what) starts maxing out a core to 100%. had to switch to vt to kill it
[09:46] <Gallomimia> got the ubuntu mate liveUSB to boot on this system...
[09:46] <Gallomimia> now. i gotta fix some grub. and the initrd
[11:58] <Iarla> I'm running Ubuntu Mate on a Pi3. I can't hear any audio via HDMI. I've tried both raspi-config and the manual command sudo amixer cset numid=3 2
[11:58] <Iarla> Any ideas what the issue might be? The device itself plays audio fine via HDMI for other input devices.
[12:50] <sixwheeledbeast> larla: is sound output set to hdmi?
[12:52] <sixwheeledbeast> System > Prefs > Hardware > Sound > Output
[13:39] <Iarla> sixwheeledbeast: I haven't checked that, no. Thanks, I'll take a look and let you know :)
[13:40] <Iarla> There is no output option there for HDMI. Only analog.
[13:47] <sixwheeledbeast> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/audio-config.md     check the boot config?
[13:48] <sixwheeledbeast> Or maybe reboot first and if still no luck try the above.
[13:53] <Iarla> I tried the reboot so I'll check out that link, thanks again!
[13:59] <Iarla> sixwheeledbeast: editing /boot/config.txt did the trick, thanks so much!
[14:01] <Iarla> Note on the documentation: it might be worth updating the official doc to point to sixwheeledbeast's link for persistent audio issues. Ubuntu MATE doc: https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[15:24] <mate-mait-mayt> Are there any Mate-ubuntu support options for sale? Similar to Ubuntu's advanced support options?
[15:31] <Iarla> pastebin.com/miT3udD5 - I'm getting this error when trying to launch Firefox on the Pi 3 since the latest updates came in (after a fresh install). Chrome is working though. Does the output look familiar to anyone?
[15:57] <m4t> Iarla: does firefox -safe-mode crash still?
[15:59] <m4t> only thing that comes to mind is something broken in the profile. you could rm -rf ~/.mozilla/firefox if that's the case.
[16:00] <Iarla> m4t: I have to run, but I'll try that when I get back. thank you.
[16:28] <abba> comment acceder à la partition windows
[16:40] <m4t> abba: probably ntfs-3g if you want r/w
[18:10] <paradis> hello  i'm french
[18:17] <alkisg> Ubuntu announced that they drop the 32bit .iso in 17.10. Does this affect Ubuntu-mate? Will there be a  32bit17.10 mate.iso?
[18:21] <alkisg> Ah ok just saw the reply by iain, "other flavours are unaffected"
[18:24] <Akuli> i wonder how though
[18:24] <mate-mait-mayt> yeah that does seem a bit odd
[18:31] <sixwheeledbeast> I thought the plan was to slowly phase out 32bit by 18.04 LTS, it makes more sense to drop support on an LTS release IMO.
[19:21]  * alkisg thinks it would make most sense to drop it right after an lts release...
[19:21] <alkisg> E.g. in 16.10 or in 18.10
[19:21] <alkisg> But ok as long as mate ships 32bit for 18.04, everything is fine ;)
[20:44] <Iarla> m4t: starting in safe mode results in the same issue, as well as deleting ~/.mozilla/firefox
[20:50] <m4t> sorry, dunno :|
[20:53] <Iarla> No problem, thanks for helping rule those out anyway :)
[20:59] <m4t> so i've switched to compton using nvidia proprietary drivers, and i've noticed that in gedit, i'll sporadically (and when it happens, it'll happen for a while) get significant lag in pluma
[21:00] <m4t> like 1 second delay from hitting tab and seeing the text move over :|
[21:00] <sixwheeledbeast> That's what I meant regarding LTS release.
[21:05] <sixwheeledbeast> Iarla: what version FF?
[21:11] <Iarla> sixwheeledbeast: 55.0.2
[21:12] <Iarla> On Ubuntu MATE on a Pi 3.
[21:12] <sixwheeledbeast> Use the ESR version instead I don't believe 55 is stable on Rpi
[21:24] <Iarla> sixwheeledbeast: great, Ill try that!
[21:24] <Iarla> Is that available in the botique?
[21:25] <sixwheeledbeast> no idea apt-get install firefox-esr?
[21:29] <Iarla> No and apt search doesn't find it either. It's grand, I can search around online and see what's available for Pi.
[21:37] <Iarla> Looks like ESR isn't for Pi www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
[21:38] <Iarla> But I can live with Chromium until I see the next FF update roll in. Might change things.
[21:39] <sixwheeledbeast> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firefox-esr
[21:40] <sixwheeledbeast> Alternativelt remove firefox 55 and install 52 then pin it.
[21:43] <Iarla> Cool, thanks sixwheeledbeast. I see arm64 architecture there. I'll give it a go in the morning. If not, 52 sounds like a fine solution.
[21:43] <Iarla> Much appreciated.
[21:43] <sixwheeledbeast> np


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[08:15] <LarstiQ_> wgz: I've got a number of utf8 failures I'm not sure are due to bzr or due to pypy
[08:16] <LarstiQ_> wgz: should I start out by filing them on bzr anyway?
[10:03] <LarstiQ_> aah


[05:31] <mapps> 3 eps left s2 of power
[08:05] <knightwise> morning mapps
[08:05] <knightwise> started watching "the expanse" yesterday
[08:05] <knightwise> not a bad show
[10:33] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:34] <MooDoo> morning
[10:34] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:34] <MooDoo> :)
[10:35] <brobostigon> :)
[10:38] <mapps> hi all;]
[10:39] <mapps> on last ep of power now yay
[10:39] <mapps> s2e10 cool show
[10:47] <SuperEngineer> Since reinstal of 14.04.03 I have a niggle... I'm sure clicking icon on active app in Launcher used to minimise the app.  Now it doesn't. WTF did I not set correctly? [my brain, perhaps?]
[10:49] <SuperEngineer> [& morning, peeps]  ;-)
[10:52] <moreati> SuperEngineer: https://askubuntu.com/questions/36433/can-i-use-the-unity-launcher-icon-to-minimize-applications-windows/436542#436542
[10:53]  * SuperEngineer checks it out - ta moreati
[10:54] <moreati> for those on 15.10 http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/10/ubuntu-1510-minimize-click/
[10:56] <SuperEngineer> ooooooo.... works again [me a happy bunny now]
[10:56] <SuperEngineer> Thanks, moreati - I obviously loost my googlefoo at the same time as the setting ;-)
[10:57] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:04]  * SuperEngineer minimises windows for the fun of it... because now I can again
[12:32] <MooDoo> ooo netsplit
[12:34]  * penguin42 throws MooDoo a very long network cable
[12:37] <MooDoo> pendulum: I'm ok :)
[12:37]  * penguin42 swings too and fro
[12:42] <SuperEngineer> penguin42 is now known as pendulum
[15:51] <diddledan> hello
[15:52] <penguin42> hi


[01:01] <tacomaster> i was just wondering is the linux driver on par with the windows one for the intel hd 4000 because i know a while back intel gpu's didnt work to well in linux
[01:42] <ledah> mm anyone knows if there is a widget to replace the system tray current one?
[03:28] <RamchandraApte_> Riddel:are you Johnathan Riddel?
[03:55] <uglyoldbob_> how can i run dual monitors (not cloned) on kubuntu and control which screen a fullscreen app draws on?
[03:57] <rj45continuum> It should be screen 1, no?
[04:01] <uglyoldbob_> what it i want it to draw on the other monitor?
[04:02] <shadeslayer> RamchandraApte_: he is :)
[04:03] <shadeslayer> uglyoldbob_: you can also try #kde if no one here knows :)
[04:03] <shadeslayer> s/knows/replies
[04:04] <uglyoldbob_> shadeslayer: ok ill try there
[04:06] <superdreamkilla> What do I need to do to get Konqueror to play mp3 files?
[04:08] <bazhang> !info konqueror
[04:09] <bazhang> superdreamkilla, you mean mouse over mp3 file play?
[04:09] <superdreamkilla> I'm used to firefox on OS X, where the quicktime plugin will play mp3s when you click on them
[04:10] <superdreamkilla> is there something similar I can do here?
[04:10] <bazhang> mouse over does not work?
[04:10] <superdreamkilla> no
[04:11] <bazhang> do you have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[04:11] <superdreamkilla> i'll check
[04:11] <bazhang> ok
[04:11] <RamchandraApte_> shadeslayer:i met him
[04:12] <shadeslayer> okay ...
[04:13] <superdreamkilla> no I didn't. Installing now
[04:14] <superdreamkilla> Why aren't those installed by default? Aren't they really common?
[04:14] <RamchandraApte_> they are propetiary
[04:15] <RamchandraApte_> they are proprietiary
[04:15] <superdreamkilla> I had Kubuntu 9.something. I don't remember, was it default back then?
[04:15] <superdreamkilla> on 12.04 now
[04:27] <superdreamkilla> It still doesn't work
[04:27] <superdreamkilla> when I click on a link to an mp3, it downloads it and opens Amarok
[04:29] <shadeslayer> I'd say that was expected behaviour
[04:30] <superdreamkilla> how can I play them embedded in the browser window?
[04:31] <shadeslayer> afaik there's no way to do that
[04:31] <shadeslayer> konqueror works on kparts, and I don't recall seeing a kpart that could play mp3s
[04:31] <shadeslayer> maybe dragon ... but not sure
[04:31] <superdreamkilla> dragon plays them
[04:31] <shadeslayer> ok, sec
[04:32] <superdreamkilla> Amarok has awful performance on my old machine, for simple mp3s
[04:36] <shadeslayer> hm, nope, no way that I can see to do it inside of konqueror
[04:38] <shadeslayer> superdreamkilla: you can run : keditfiletype audio/mpeg
[04:38] <shadeslayer> and then check the embedding tab to see if you can embed mp3 using any of the kparts
[04:39] <shadeslayer> I don't see anything on my machine that'll allow me to embed mp3's
[04:40] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[04:40] <shadeslayer> there we go
[04:42] <shadeslayer> superdreamkilla: it works with a bit of hacking
[04:42] <shadeslayer> run : keditfiletype audio/mpeg
[04:42] <shadeslayer> Open the embedding tab
[04:42] <shadeslayer> "Show file in embedded viewer"
[04:42] <shadeslayer> Hit Add in "Service Preferences Order"
[04:43] <shadeslayer> select the dragonplayer_part
[04:43] <shadeslayer> Apply -> relaunch konqueror -> browse to mp3
[04:45] <shadeslayer> though you can also do something like System Settings > File Associations > Click the audio group > Show file in embedded viewer
[04:46] <shadeslayer> that'll set it to play all files in a embedded kpart
[04:53] <superdreamkilla> thanks a lot
[06:11] <noaXess> morning
[06:11] <noaXess> where can i controll the starttime of updatedb.mlocate?
[06:12] <noaXess> it is always runnig if i'm working and then machine get's slow
[06:13] <noaXess> and to dolphin, why are hidden elements in the Places bar alwas showing again? it are nfs shares i mount and on each mount, they apear in Places even i i set them to hidden..
[06:57] <coolgoose> morning guys - i have a dual monitor setup. is there a chance to have the same panels cloned on the second screen ?
[07:09] <hateball> hmmm, there is no Kubuntu merch any longer, or am I not looking in the right place
[07:09] <hateball> I was looking to donate, but buying a sleek t-shirt would be nicer still
[07:14] <ravloony> hello. does anybody else have issues with kmail and imap? It won't log in.
[07:14] <ravloony> I know the settings are ok because they work for my phone
[08:18] <Guest48737> hi.  anyone having problems when upgrading to quantal?
[09:12] <RamchandraApte_> ns identify RamchandraApte py2c
[09:20] <Fuzzles> i installed cd versiona and upgraded to kubuntu full ut how do i get rid f the dvd software so im back to cd version?
[11:26] <Madgod> Hey guys. Could you tell me if it's possible to remove akonadi from Kubuntu without affecting anything else?
[11:26] <Madgod> I don't know what it's good for but the akonadi agent keeps flooding my memory every 5 to 10 minutes, filling up until it hits 6 GB and everything crashes.
[11:27] <Madgod> So I'd rather just get rid of that broken POS
[11:30] <hateball> Madgod: You can disable it
[11:31] <Madgod> How do I go about that?
[11:31] <hateball> Well I guess you mean it's nepomuk that does these things
[11:32] <Madgod> I don't know. I understand Akonadi has something to do with the filesystem?
[11:32] <Madgod> That's where my familiarity ends.
[11:32] <Madgod> Now as of the last couple (re)boots it started locking up my PC constantly
[11:32] <hateball> akonadi is the server backend that keeps track of stuff like contacts etc. if you have a problem with RAM and disk thrashing, it's likely due to nepomuk (and strigi) indexing of files for use with krunner
[11:33] <Madgod> I incidentally do not see the processes right now, but the akonadi_agent_something at that point was using like I said 6 GB of memory.
[11:33] <Madgod> Aha
[11:33] <hateball> Madgod: so you can go into settings for desktop search and untick nepomuk and strigi, if they are started
[11:33] <Madgod> Does this serve an actual purpose?
[11:33] <hateball> Madgod: That's where I'd start
[11:33] <hateball> Madgod: Well it lets you alt+f2 and just type to find things
[11:33] <hateball> Which, is lovely.
[11:34] <Madgod> You mean calling commands won't be possible after I pull the plug n nepomuk?
[11:34] <Madgod> *on
[11:35] <hateball> tbh I'm not even sure about that :D
[11:35] <Madgod> hateball, well I do have a gargantuan inbox, and email search is enabled.
[11:35] <Madgod> Which I can safely dump since Kontact does not support it anyway
[11:35] <Madgod> Hopefully that counts toward something
[11:35] <hateball> It should
[11:36] <Madgod> Oddly I found the memory quotum, which is set at 50 MB.
[11:36] <Madgod> I wonder what made it blast clear over that
[11:36] <Madgod> The commands seem to work just fine btw.
[11:38] <hateball> Madgod: Well something else may well be messed up. I was just suggesting this as a first thing to try
[11:38] <Madgod> Yeah, thanks for the assist hateball
[11:38] <Madgod> It is stable for now, I'll see if the problem occurs again
[12:32] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[12:41] <monkeyjuice> morning phoenix_firebrd
[12:42] <phoenix_firebrd> monkeyjuice: morning
[12:54] <anja_versus> Hi. Not a *buntu problem, specifically... my router/DSL modem's setup webpage/webserver suddenly refuses connections,. but I can ping the router just fine @ <IP_ADDRESS>, and am, in fact, online through it.  I'm afraid to reboot the router since I won't be able to get online again if I still can't get to the config page then...
[12:55] <hateball> anja_versus: you may want to ask in ##networking
[12:57] <anja_versus> thanks
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:00] <adlez> Hey
[13:10] <danni> can anybody here answer me this question :)
[13:10] <danni> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308153
[13:13] <anja_versus> still no answer :/
[13:29] <Madgod> Hey
[13:30] <Guest55397> hi. anyone having problems in the upgrade to quantal?
[13:30] <Madgod> It's back again. akonadi_agent_launcher and akonadi_mailfilter_agent using 7.8 GB of RAM
[13:30] <Madgod> I am this close to overwriting the binaries with null bytes
[13:30] <lordievader> Guest55397: I think you should ask in #ubuntu+1.
[13:30] <Guest55397> ok, thanks lordievader
[13:31] <Madgod> Keeps coming back as well
[13:31] <Madgod> Is Akonadi plain broken everywhere? Or is this just a freak bug that occurs cause it's wednesday afternoon?
[13:39] <Madgod> Okay, after gauging it I can safely confirm that Akonadi eats up an additional 200MB of RAM every second.
[13:40] <Madgod> Divided over roughly 12 processes
[13:40] <hateball> Madgod: didnt you disable the mail index?
[13:41] <Madgod> I did. However it came back.
[13:42] <Madgod> I managed to hack it out of the system by removing references to it in config files, but that bricked my email client.
[13:42] <Guest55397> anyone having broken kde-runtime in quantal?
[13:42] <Madgod> Evidently Kontact can't live without
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Madgod, which email client ?. if it's kmail then akonadi uses it as a mail server of sorts
[13:45] <Madgod> Okay, I deleted every resources in the system settings under personal information
[13:45] <BluesKaj> is used as a mail server ,. rather
[13:45] <Madgod> Now I just need to deal with 3 akonadi_agent_launchers that are each 2 GB in size
[13:45] <Madgod> Pardon, 2.5 by the time that sentence ended.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> whynot just disable the akonadi server
[13:46] <Madgod> And I see the resources are coming back on their own, too..
[13:46] <Madgod> BluesKaj, cause then I can no longer use kontact
[13:46] <Madgod> No kontact = no email = no work = no KDE
[13:46] <BluesKaj> oh good luck , Madgod :)
[13:46] <Madgod> I think I'll just drop this broken ass system and go back to gnome
[13:46] <hateball> :/
[13:47] <hateball> Madgod: is your stuff stored locally, or do you have an imap server etc?
[13:47] <Madgod> IMAP
[13:47] <hateball> you could try nuking the akonadi db and rebuilding
[13:47] <Madgod> IMAP and synch'ed folders
[13:47] <Madgod> So I can just.. Yeah exactly
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Madgod, well, go ahead , gnome/unity has it's isues as well
[13:47] <Madgod> BluesKaj, but it works.
[13:47] <Madgod> I don't need to deal with it freezing up until I hit the reset button 10 minutes after launch
[13:47] <BluesKaj> ok , bye :)
[13:47] <Madgod> With no fixes in sight in the launchpad
[13:48] <Madgod> It's a shame cause I was really digging it for the one week that this window manager worked.
[13:49] <bux> bonjour
[13:49] <BluesKaj> use thunderbird , kmail/kontact has had issues for over 3 yrs , most ppl whoi can't get ti to work gave up a long time ago
[13:49] <bux> hi, i got an issue with flash on chromium
[13:49] <bux> since today
[13:50] <Madgod> BluesKaj, thunderbird is a bit too minimalistic for me. Evolution would be a good alternative though, and come to think of it I doubt that uses Akonadi..
[13:50] <bux> i m not able to install the new pllugin
[13:50] <Madgod> Thanks for that unwittingly helpful suggestion
[13:50] <lordievader> bux: I saw that there was an update for flash, perhaps it is related.
[13:50] <hateball> Madgod: Evolution uses evolution-data-server tho, not sure it's much better ;p but perhaps it wont totally hog your system at least
[13:51] <Madgod> Pfft. It's up to 4 GB per process.
[13:51]  * hateball uses html5 solutions for all the things, no headaches
[13:52] <Madgod> *Anything* would be better hateball. After trying to get to work with very tight deadlines looming that put "dead" in the word, and obviously zero progress, I'll settle for pigeons that carry white/black marbles representing ones and zeroes.
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Madgod, there are a lot of very good plugins for thunderbird that can whatever kmail/kontact can  do , or so I've been told by ppl who use it on the job ..I'm a home user so ne need for calendars etc
[13:52] <bux> lordievader: i dunno, my system is update and I still can listen / watch stream
[13:52] <BluesKaj> no need
[13:54] <BluesKaj> bux you could try DLing the latest flash from adobe and placing the libflashplayer.so in /usr/bin/mozilla/plugins , that's where chromium looks for the flashplayer
[13:54] <bux> ah
[13:54] <bux> good point
[13:54] <bux> i indicate the wrong folder ...
[13:54] <BluesKaj> oops /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[13:55] <bux> BluesKaj: yup
[13:56] <hateball> well, chromium has its own plugin folder as well. just fyi
[13:56] <bux> i didnt find it
[13:56] <hateball> /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/
[13:57] <bux> ok
[13:57] <bux> hmm
[13:57] <BluesKaj> hateball, well , chromium doesn't seem be looking down that path in some cases
[13:57] <bux> well i cp the plugin in the mozilla folder
[13:57] <bux> and it s works
[13:57] <bux> so thx :)
[13:58] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:59] <hateball> I tend to just copy to my users plugin folder, since I am lazy and a single user :p
[13:59] <Madgod> Evolution to the rescue. Thanks for the suggestions and letting me vent guys.
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Madgod, does evolution run ok on KDE
[14:00] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:01] <Madgod> BluesKaj, so far.
[14:01] <phoenix_firebrd> bbl
[14:01] <Madgod> I do notice it's rendered somewhat differently.
[14:02] <Madgod> The theme seems to resemble Thunar more than Gnome
[14:02] <Madgod> But it all appears to work.
[14:02] <hateball> Madgod: You can tweak settings for GTK apps in KDE
[14:02] <hateball> assuming evolution still is gtk2
[14:03] <Madgod> hateball, I'd think so yes.
[14:32] <Guest91871> can someone help me im curious is there a way to install ndiswrapper without an internet connection?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Guest91871, only if you've already downloaded ndiswrapper and the associated device driver
[14:47] <Madgod> BluesKaj, to come back on your earlier question, I have noticed an interesting GTK bug - the mouse icon for vertical resizing, has been replaced with the one for horizontal resizing :P
[14:47] <Madgod> And what's up with ndiswrapper?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Madgod, ok , the only gnome app I run is Synaptic , still the best package manager IMO , but it seems quite well integrated in KDE with the defaults settings
[15:46] <BluesKaj> I know this sort of offtopic , but i just inherited some Itunes m4a files, but they seem to be DRM'd since neither VLC nor Amarok can play them, any suggestions ?
[16:09] <hackwater> BluesKaj: Have you tried using ffmpeg to convert them to mp3?
[16:23] <pepee> hi. I installed quantal, and I'm getting "Activation of org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit timed out", anyone knows what does it means?
[16:27] <fuzzles> whats the advantages of adding the kubuntu backports ppa?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> hackwater, yes , but the DRM prevents any conversions or playback
[16:49] <hackwater> BluesKaj: So they're essentially m4p? That sounds like it may be tough. This looks interesting: http://all-streaming-media.com/streaming-media-faq/faq-playing-DRM-protected-m4p-AAC-Apple-iTunes-files.htm
[16:54] <BluesKaj> hackwater,i don't have itunes installed on any pcs , so I guess I'm out of luck ..the challenge is to find a method to defeat the drm for audio by itunes ..not as easy as one would think
[16:55] <hackwater> BluesKaj: Yeah, you need a key to decrypt encrypted files, or else you have to crack them, which may or may not be legal (IANAL)
[16:55] <jonsaco> hola  comunidad me podrian ayudar
[16:56] <phoenix_firebrd> !spanish | jonsaco
[16:56]  * BluesKaj isn't an apple fanboy , don't believe in their proprietary control over the songs even tho they're paid for.
[16:57] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: +1
[16:58] <BluesKaj> btw that kind of drm control over a purchased song used to be illegal in Canada ...dunno if it still is tho
[16:58] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: really?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:59] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: in that case the piratebay people should live there :)
[17:00] <BluesKaj> we used to have the "sony law" , made ithe 70s ..if you purchased any recording legally you were alowed to copy for your own use , as long as you didn't distribute it or resell it.
[17:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: you mean the japanese sony?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> piratebay would be illegal here
[17:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: :(
[17:01] <BluesKaj> well the canadian sony
[17:02] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: the company that manufactures the playstation?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> sony was sued for selling blank tape
[17:02] <phoenix_firebrd> some blank tapes or many?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> any
[17:04] <phoenix_firebrd> weired
[17:05] <BluesKaj> the canadian equivalent of the US RIAA lost in court
[17:05] <phoenix_firebrd> How is the law on copyright now?
[17:06] <BluesKaj> if you can prove ownership you're allowed to copy media
[17:06] <BluesKaj> only for your own use
[17:07] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: If i am the owner why cant i distribute for free?
[17:08] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: Did you mean a copy or  owner of the source?
[17:08] <BluesKaj> because the the recipient didn't pay for it , and  if he does pay both the seller and purchaser arre breaking the law
[17:09] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: so torrents or illegal?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:09] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: oh my god, thats very badf
[17:09] <BluesKaj> t5here are legal torrent s btw
[17:10] <BluesKaj> not all torrents are illegal
[17:10] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: what if your wrote a book and you want to give it free to others?
[17:11] <BluesKaj> if you publish the book and copyright it yourself then yes , it's legal to do what you want with it.
[17:12] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: in that case its good
[17:12] <BluesKaj> I think that's the case in most coutries , phoenix_firebrd
[17:13] <BluesKaj> countries
[17:13] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: Here in my place no one cares about copyright except for the movie industries
[17:15] <BluesKaj> nobody cares maybe , but I'll bet it's still against the law to copy and sell copyrighted media without a royalty agreement with the owner
[17:15] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya
[17:38] <darkcrow666> why ubuntu sucks so much ?
[17:39] <darkcrow666> from 12.04 version ubuntu has died
[17:39] <darkcrow666> kubuntu is the best.
[17:41] <Peace-> darkcrow666: nice
[17:41] <lordievader> darkcrow666: Matter of opinion, for some unity is hell for others it is heaven.
[17:42]  * Peace- has released showebkam
[17:42] <darkcrow666> unity 3d is not heaven or hell its just not working
[17:43] <darkcrow666> they use compiz !!!! Even noobs know that compiz right now is a dead project ! Compiz will screw your WHOLE EXPERIENCE.
[17:43] <darkcrow666> UBUNTU DEVELOPERS ARE NOOBS
[17:43] <darkcrow666> OR THE DONT USE LINUX
[17:44] <lordievader> darkcrow666: Jumping to conclusions if you ask me...
[17:44] <darkcrow666> Lord .. wait ! do you have ubuntu installed on your pc ?
[17:45] <Peace-> darkcrow666: ok ... just go on #ubuntu-devel and say that
[17:45] <lordievader> darkcrow666: It is somewhere yes, however I do not use it.
[17:45] <Peace-> darkcrow666: and btw this is not a chat it's a channel where people find help
[17:45] <lordievader> darkcrow666: I dislike it too, but I do not voice my dislike.
[17:46] <OerHeks> 12.10 / unity 6  screws it much nices, darkcrow666.
[17:46] <OerHeks> c/nicer
[17:47] <darkcrow666> lol
[17:48] <darkcrow666> i will laugh when you will start using it
[17:49] <Peace-> !chat | darkcrow666 OerHeks lordievader
[17:50] <Peace-> OerHeks:  lordievader sorry :D
[17:50] <netrunner_> hellow
[17:50] <lordievader> The ubottu needs an update, this is #kubuntu and the offtopic is #kubuntu-offtopic...
[17:51] <lordievader> Hey pollob_, how are you?
[18:15] <daviddoria> I have mounted a share and I can see it in dolphin. How do I get to that directory in a terminal? I read that it should be ~/.cache/gvfs, but I don't have that directory? (KDE from Ubuntu 12.04)
[18:16] <lordievader> daviddoria: Have you mounted the share through dolphin?
[18:16] <daviddoria> lordievader, yes
[18:16] <Peace-> daviddoria:  ~ = your home
[18:17] <daviddoria> Peace-, yes, I don't have /home/doriad/.cache/gvfs
[18:17] <Peace-> mmm
[18:17] <lordievader> daviddoria: That is the reason why I use the terminal to mount it, anyhow you could use "find" to find it.
[18:17] <Peace-> daviddoria: have you tried to show the hidden files in dolphin ?
[18:18] <daviddoria> Peace-, I can see everything in dolphin. I am trying to navigate to a directory that I can see in dolphin from a terminal
[18:18] <lordievader> Peace-: A terminal doesn't care wheter it is hidden or not...
[18:18] <Peace-> ls ~/.cache/gvfs daviddoria
[18:18] <daviddoria> lordievader, there are tons of options for the mount that I'm not sure how to do from a terminal - I thought there would just be someting like "right click -> open this location in a terminal" or something
[18:18] <daviddoria> or a different place where everything gets mounted
[18:19] <lordievader> daviddoria: Ah that is something you can do, open the share from dolphin, then right-click -> action -> open a terminal here. And then a "pwd" to see where you are.
[18:20] <daviddoria> lordievader, I dont have an "action" in the right click menu
[18:20] <daviddoria> weird... i do have "actions" in a normal folder
[18:20] <lordievader> daviddoria: I'm sorry it is "Actions"
[18:20] <daviddoria> but not in the share
[18:21] <lordievader> daviddoria: What happens when you press F4?
[18:22] <lordievader> daviddoria: It should open a terminal within dolphin.
[18:22] <daviddoria> lordievader, F4 seems to do nothing even from a normal directory
[18:22] <Peace-> daviddoria: you should get something like this with f4 http://wstaw.org/m/2012/10/10/plasma-desktopps1909.png
[18:23] <daviddoria> ah, my function lock was not on
[18:23] <daviddoria> (silly new keyboards)
[18:23] <daviddoria> but unfortunately from the share, F4 just brings me to ~ in the terminal
[18:24] <daviddoria> lordievader, I am doing a "sudo find / -name "file.txt"" for a file I know is in the directory, is that how I might find it?
[18:25] <lordievader> daviddoria: Read this first: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/dolphin-mount-points-where-4175423919/
[18:25] <lordievader> daviddoria: Seems like dolphin uses some dirty tricks to mount the share.
[18:25] <daviddoria> oh weird
[18:28] <daviddoria> lordievader, any clues how to set these properties in a command line mount command? http://pastebin.com/vkXzQtPp
[18:28] <bjrohan> I need some guidance using WINE, namely 1.) wine deletes the exe file that I put in its //windows32 directory when I exit the program 2.) How do I set up wine to run a program in a different directory namely my /home/user/downloads
[18:28] <lordievader> daviddoria: What kind of share are you trying to mount? A samba/cifs share?
[18:29] <daviddoria> lordievader, yes
[18:29] <lordievader> daviddoria: Let's see how did that go again...
[18:30] <avihay> bjrohan:  wine /home/user/downloads/<program full name>  ?
[18:31] <daviddoria> lordievader, I have some notes from a long time ago that say "sudo mount -t cifs arcvfs.arc.rpi.edu matlabMount -o user=doria"
[18:31] <lordievader> daviddoria: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-remote-windows-partition-windows-share-under-linux.html
[18:31] <daviddoria> but I get "wrong fs type"
[18:31] <bjrohan> avihay thank you!
[18:32] <lordievader> daviddoria: sudo apt-get install smbfs
[18:33] <daviddoria> lordievader, ok, now I get "mount.cifs: bad UNC (\arcvfs.arc.rpi.edu)"
[18:34] <daviddoria> with: sudo mount -t cifs \\arcvfs.arc.rpi.edu matlabMount -o user=doriad
[18:35] <lordievader> daviddoria: Are you not forgetting the mount folder? Now it seems you just have the server's adress.
[18:36] <daviddoria> I also tried with arcvfs.arc.rpi.edu/Software/matlab (and the matlabMount is where I want to mount it to)
[18:36] <daviddoria>  @ lordievader
[18:37] <daviddoria> ah, it worked
[18:37] <daviddoria> sudo mount -t cifs //arcvfs.arc.rpi.edu/Software/matlab matlabMount -o user=doriad
[18:37] <daviddoria> great
[18:38] <lordievader> daviddoria: Ah, good to hear.
[18:38] <daviddoria> lordievader, thanks a ton for your help
[18:38] <lordievader> daviddoria: No problem.
[18:39] <pepee> hi. how do I reconfigure ktp-contaclist?
[18:40] <pepee> the password is wrong, and it won't let me configure it, ktp crashes...
[18:41] <pepee> oh, it worked now. I upgraded to quantal today
[19:35] <bjrohan> I am having a problem with WINE deleting the .exe.file after I exit said .exe program, is there a setting I can change?
[19:39] <L3top> Wine should not ever delete an .exe...
[20:46] <madconqueror> Hi there.. a question about connecting to MS Exchange Servers... on my Android 4.0 phone there's this ActiveExchange sync ...err... software,  that does what I need (fetch email and contacts from the exchange server of a customer)... Is there anything like it - or a way to do something comparable - from Kubuntu?
[20:53] <Eliminator> hello?
[20:55] <madconqueror> Hi Eliminator
[23:50] <lynnew2012> oooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[23:52] <lynnew2012> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii


[02:57] <Chazz> How do you add a download for a project?
[03:10] <tsimpson> Chazz: https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/FileDownloads should help
[03:10] <Chazz> thanks tsimpson! =)
[06:14] <Damascene> hi,
[06:14] <Damascene> who is the responsible fore mail list system?
[06:14] <Damascene> *for
[06:33] <spm> Usama: in what sense? ie what is the problem you wish resolved?
[06:34] <Usama> message get killed by spam assassin if it sent by evolution
[06:34] <Usama> I've tried many different ubuntu mail list and it seems it general thing
[06:34] <Usama> if I sent it by gmail there is no problem
[06:35] <spm> hrm. I use evolution for all my emailing and have no such problems at all with any of the lists
[06:36] <Usama> so?
[06:37] <spm> Usama: can you raise a question https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion with as much detail as possible. ie which lists; which from email address and so on. if you can narrow it to date/times of when you've sent the messages that would also help.  In that case; I'd suggest you create an RT via<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with pretty much the same set of info I asked for above. but specifially date/times to help in tracking down. It may be possible to tweak values away from those that are causing that message to get trapped
[06:46] <spm> is that the only one so far? or others?
[06:46] <Usama> many other
[06:47] <Usama> *s
[06:47] <spm> heh. painful. either way, as much detail as possible. full headers. etc.
[06:48] <Usama> so I should send the problem to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>right?
[06:48] <spm> right. it's a ubuntu lists problem; not a launchpad one. I recognise that the distinction isn't obvious, but it is real.
[06:51] <Usama> ok thanks
[07:11] <Usama> spm, done
[07:11] <spm> Usama: thanks
[07:12] <Usama> it's my pleasure
[11:02] <Durazil> hello
[11:05] <Durazil> On https://shipit.ubuntu.com/, I can't log out. And I can't ask for a CD's Ubuntu 10.04. Have you got a solution for me ?
[11:07] <Durazil> ?
[11:11] <Durazil> Please
[11:13] <soren> What happens if you click the "log out" button?
[11:13] <Durazil> I have an error
[11:13] <Durazil> I must go. I come back in 1 hour.
[12:09] <Durazil> hello
[12:09] <Durazil> On https://shipit.ubuntu.com/, I can't log out. And I can't ask for a CD's Ubuntu 10.04. Have you got a solution for me ?
[12:11] <Durazil> ?
[12:14] <Durazil> I need your help please.
[12:20] <spiv> Durazil: what error do you get?
[12:23] <Durazil> No REFERER Header
[12:31] <Durazil> A idea ?
[12:34] <spiv> Durazil: restore your browser settings back to their defaults (possibly removing an add-on), or try a different browser.
[12:35] <Durazil> I go to test
[12:38] <Durazil> It's ok
[12:38] <Durazil> Thanks
[12:40] <spiv> Durazil: you're welcome.  Next time include more details in your initial question, it makes it more likely someone will know how to help.
[12:40] <Durazil> Ok
[13:13] <juris> can i send from gmail with witch is one is added in LP as my account email will LP recognize that if i send to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email even if im not subscribed to that bug?
[13:16] <intellectronica> juris: yes, you can send comments to bugs from gmail. you can't, however, file new bugs, because to do that you need to sign your email and you can't do that with gmail (unless you're using an extension like firegpg).
[13:18] <juris> intellectronica, so to exising bug to witch i have not subscribed. also from email witch is one of my LP account emails email will be associated to my account? and if i send 19 files they will be added as one comment?
[13:19] <intellectronica> juris: i must admit that i don't know about attachment. i think that should work. give it a try.
[13:19] <juris> i could also add 19 files in LP but that will couse 19 emails to all subscribers so to make one comment will email help make 1 19file attachment?
[13:21] <juris> ok intellectronica im now
[13:21] <juris> i just sent but still not showing up. waybe waiting is needed?
[13:22] <juris> WOW it worked like a charm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/53897
[13:47] <kfogel> lifeless: ayt?
[17:11] <nigelb> do we have an option to subscribe to a tag in malone?
[17:13] <deryck> nigelb, not currently.  coming soon (i.e. next 2-3 months likely)
[17:14] <nigelb> deryck: awesome, thanks :)
[17:29] <assem> trying to access http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~benlau/prsnotereader/trunk/files over the past 15minutes; it keeps giving me the Please try again page; it said i should notify this channel :)
[17:38] <maxb> losas: loggerhead needs you! ^^^
[17:38] <mbarnett> thanks maxb, taking a look
[17:41] <dmitchell> There seems to be an issue with the launchpad server - see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp/openobject-addons/trunk/files anyone else having trouble?
[17:42] <mbarnett> codebrowse should be happy again.
[17:52] <dmitchell> Thanks - its works now.
[17:59] <fta> uh?? http://paste.ubuntu.com/436262/
[18:48] <squisher> Hi, I want to supply a package in my ppa for lucid, right now I onl yhave it for karmic. Can I do this without a separate changelog?
[18:49] <bigjools> squisher: use the copy function
[18:49] <squisher> bigjools: and when I upload a new version? I have to wait until it's uploaded and then copy it on the website?
[18:50] <bigjools> assuming the same binary works on lucid, yes
[18:53] <squisher> the copy function doesn't recompile? That seems a bit strange. In this particular case I don't expect issues, but still...
[19:14] <geser> squisher: "copy" doesn't recompile, it only publishes it in the other release too (a recompile doesn't work with the archive layout (pool-directory))
[19:26] <squisher> geser, hmm, say for example if the gtk2->gtk3 transition happens between releases, then this simple copy would fail
[19:26] <squisher> but I guess otherwise it's fine
[19:31] <geser> squisher: depends, if gtk2 is still available it might still work
[19:32] <geser> if the former version vanishes after a library transition a rebuild (and therefore a new upload) is necessary
[19:36] <squisher> geser: right true that. I forgot that the dependency name always changes when it becomes incompatible
[19:38] <squisher> geser: thanks for the explanations btw
[19:46] <soren> What's the process for getting a project imported from Sourceforge these days? Who to talk to?
[19:53] <thumper> soren: which one?
[19:53] <thumper> soren: and project, do you mean code, or bugs as well?
[19:58] <soren> thumper: Actually, just bugs.
[19:59] <soren> thumper: It's not one of my own projects. I'm just doing a bit of leg work for someone else so that I can offer them the path of least resistance :)
[20:03] <soren> thumper: They don't want to import all bugs, by the way. Is it possible to do a selective bug history import?
[20:12] <aliguori> Hi, is it possible to subscribe a mailing list to a project so that all bug traffic for that project goes to, say, the development mailing list?
[20:16] <soren> aliguori: Yes.
[20:16] <aliguori> soren, does it require any magic?
[20:17] <aliguori> i don't see an obvious way
[20:18] <soren> aliguori: Create a team for it, subscribe the team to the project's bugs, and set a contact address for the team.
[20:19] <soren> aliguori: That's what we do for Ubuntu Server bugs.
[20:29] <aliguori> soren, thanks, let's see if this will work..
[20:38] <lifeless> kfogel: hi
[20:44] <kfogel> lifeless: about documenting this recommendation of doing Launchpad development in a VM (you discussed with jml I think at UDS?): I've never done it, but do you know the name of a good VM package to refer to?
[20:45] <kfogel> lifeless: or if you want to document it on https://dev.launchpad.net/Running, that's fine.  I'm happy to doc it, I just might need a couple of pointers.
[20:48] <aliguori> soren, yeah, it's working nicely.  thanks!
[20:51] <lifeless> kfogel: system tools -> virtual machine manager :)
[20:52] <lifeless> ah, apt-get install virt-manager, its not installed by default
[20:59] <soren> aliguori: Sure thing, man.
[21:08] <lifeless> kfogel: and I'll answer any questions you have
[23:54] <lamont> wgrant: does filecache-default/builddlog srsly get removed when the build finishes?
[23:54] <wgrant> lamont: I was looking at that diff myself and thinking that it didn't.
[23:54] <wgrant> But I imagined that you approved it.
[23:54] <wgrant> But since you seem to doubt it, I might check the code.
[23:55] <lamont> first I've seen of it
[23:55] <wgrant> Hm, yeah, it does get removed on clean.
[23:55] <lamont> and the lack of a /etc/cron.d file to remove it on reboot tells me that it's patently flawed
[23:55] <wgrant> Indeed.
[23:56] <lamont> then again, I did tell them that it was a blocker for any rollout, so I see they at least got a bit down the path
[23:56] <lamont> I wonder - could I query the buildd over xmlrpc on localhost? or does it only accept one master?
[23:57] <lamont> what I really want is just a "is there a build running _RIGHT_NOW_' check
[23:57] <wgrant> I considered suggesting that when we were discussing it at UDS... but that implies parsing config files and stuff.
[23:58] <wgrant> It would probably get pretty messy, although it is a good idea.
[23:58] <lamont> -            extra_info = "%s not in %r" % (builder, self._builders.keys())
[23:58] <lamont> -            return (BuilderStatus.UNKNOWNBUILDER, extra_info)
[23:58] <lamont> +            return (BuilderStatus.UNKNOWNBUILDER, None)
[23:58] <lamont> does that diff matter?
[23:59] <lamont> what I just dumped on dogfood is the '-' case, his package is the + case
[23:59] <wgrant> Er. That should be the opposite.
[23:59] <lamont> oh right.
[23:59] <lamont> reverse that. :D