[06:56] <Madpilot> Frank_dot: ubotu is a very useful creature...
[06:56] <Madpilot> ! good bot
[06:56] <ubotu> thanks madpilot :)
[06:56] <nickrud> ooh, a good list frank
[06:56] <frank> ! good bot
[06:56] <frank> whoa thats cool
[06:57] <frank> ! bad bot
[06:57] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, frank
[06:57] <Frank_dot> ! good bot
[06:57] <ubotu> thanks frank_dot :)
[06:58] <frank> bah it hates me
[06:58] <nickrud> no, the bot just knows it's worth :)
[06:59] <IcemanV9> is there a better way to put "xconsole" message on the desktop background without terminal??
[06:59] <reval> I was wondering if anyone knows the solution to even install a 32 bit application like cedega on a 64 bit ubuntu os
[06:59] <Jogariga> anyone with ubuntu on a powerbook?
[06:59] <Frank_dot> reval: you need to install a chroot
[06:59] <reval> Frank_dot: how do I do that?
[06:59] <frank> bah i hate chroot
[07:00] <Marble2> frank: yes I do
[07:00] <nickrud> IcemanV9 as best I recall, there is now way with using nautilus, but there are some tools for kde or other wm's
[07:00] <reka> Jogariga: you mean those special buttons on your k/b?  search ubuntuforums.org for topics while you wait.
[07:00] <Jogariga> reka: ok
[07:00] <Chrisxx> you all were right, wanda the fish is funny
[07:00] <nickrud> heh, I've always thought chroot was the greatest thing unix had to offer
[07:01] <pixelmonkey> I am able to browse Windows shares under xsmbrowser, but not with Nautilus.  What am I missing here?
[07:01] <frank> marble2: solved your problem. sudo apt-get install libmatroska-dev
[07:01] <reka> Chrisxx: that'd be the backend program: fortune.  wanda's just a pretty face :)
[07:01] <Chrisxx> :-P
[07:01] <Marble2> still got nothing :(
[07:02] <Frank_dot> reval: search the forums for how to setup a 32bit chroot...  but my advice is to simply install the i386 version of Ubuntu. That's what I did after a few months and all of the pain is gone
[07:03] <nickrud> hanasaki I think xtransset is what you want for transparency, when I have a better machine I'll look into it myself
[07:03] <reval> Frank_dot: 32 bit os's.. do they suffer any lackings under a 64 bit processor?
[07:03] <frank> marble2: i thought you said the file was "matroska" codec or something
[07:03] <Marble2> it is
[07:03] <Marble2> .mkv file
[07:03] <Marble2> i installed that, totem still errors
[07:03] <Frank_dot> reval: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[07:04] <supernix> I was curious does the system send out emails ?
[07:04] <Marble2> it says it can't play "XviD format", however, I have played lots of .avi and other files encoded with XviD, and I only get this error playing .mkv files
[07:05] <reval> Frank_dot: do 32 bit programs run better in a chroot in 64 or just in a native 32?
[07:05] <Frank_dot> reval: unless you do do heavy audio/video encoding you're probably not gonna see a difference. I don't see any. Apparently 32bit is 10-15% slower than the same program compiled in 64bit on average.
[07:06] <reval> Frank_dot: so even if the program is 32 bit, there's an improvement if you run it in 64 but under an emulator?
[07:06] <nickrud> supernix some daemons do, and you may get some emails about installed packages
[07:06] <reval> Frank_dot: I'm all about performance, heh
[07:06] <Frank_dot> reval: no,
[07:06] <Velcan> is there a simple way to make mplayer disable the screensaver when a video is playing?
[07:07] <Velcan> or actually to disable all power management in general
[07:07] <supernix> hmmm how can I recieve those system messages ?
[07:07] <firebird318> I am having trouble installing my modem. I am at the point where it asks "Where is the directory of C header files that match your running kernel?" I was in this chat room earlier and I was told to install the headers package which under the Synaptic Package Manager there are four different packages. I installed two "linux-headers-2.6.10-5 and linux-kernel-headers. This did not solve my problem so I tried installing the other two packa
[07:07] <firebird318> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 and linux-headers-386. When I installed the last two it automatically entered the directory but it said that the kernel version defined does not match the currently running kernel. Can anyone help me with this problem?
[07:09] <nickrud> supernix they are sent to root; /etc/aliases can be set to send root mail to a particular user. I think the standard ubuntu install sets up root mail to be sent to the initial user.
[07:09] <reka> firebird318: what does "uname -r" output?
[07:09] <supernix> oic ok and how do you retrieve those?
[07:10] <firebird318> 2.6.10-5-386
[07:10] <firebird318> I had those headers installed but it give that message I typed. It says they didn't match
[07:11] <firebird318> If I have the 2 packages with the 386 in the name installed, do I have to have the other 2 uninstalled
[07:11] <nickrud> supernix If those mails have not made it into your initial user account, you will find them in either /var/mail/root, or /root
[07:11] <supernix> ah ok ty
[07:13] <D1> is anyone using NetworkManager in Breezy?
[07:13] <sizzam> hey everyone
[07:14] <Frank_dot> is it possible to revert from Breezy to hoary/
[07:14] <nickrud> hi sizzam
[07:14] <nickrud> Frank_dot supposedly, but I personally would do a fresh install
[07:14] <sizzam> the nvidia drivers for my geforce 440 card work in the 2...10 i386 kernel, but won't work in the same k7 kernel
[07:15] <Frank_dot> nickrud: I haven't updated to breezy, I was just wondering if I could "try" it
[07:15] <concept10> Anyone know where I can get someone to draw me a website logo for free?
[07:15] <nickrud> Frank_dot I've dedicated a partition to breezy, so I can play freely
[07:15] <reka> Frank_dot: be warned that it's still in development.
[07:15] <Frank_dot> I hadn't planned ahead for that
[07:15] <nickrud> play being the operative word here
[07:16] <Frank_dot> reka: I know.
[07:19] <nickrud> Frank_dot you may want to take a look at gparted; you may be able to free up enough space for a partition to run breezy on
[07:19] <concept10> jasoncohen, are you awake?
[07:19] <Frank_dot> nickrud: can it reseize partitions painlessly? without losing everything?
[07:20] <capi> Frank_dot, yes as long as you don't make them smaller then the files on the partition
[07:20] <supernix> nickrud I see that I do have messages but not sure how to get them is it possible to retrieve them using Kmail ?
[07:20] <nickrud> Frank_dot that's the idea.   I get no sound from totem or mplayer
[07:21] <Frank_dot> nickrud: I'm starting to see why that's a good idea
[07:21] <nickrud> supernix you can look at them with mutt -f <file> first, to see if it's worth it
[07:21] <Frank_dot> I always have a massive 130 GB partition and a few smaller ones
[07:22] <Jogariga> does anyone know if firefox 1.0.4 is available for ppc?
[07:22] <capi> Frank_dot, how many HDs is that?
[07:23] <Frank_dot> one HD of 160 GBs
[07:23] <nickrud> heh, I ran suse, redhat, lfs, debian, mandrake, and a few others while starting. I needed those partitions :)
[07:24] <Frank_dot> I also have another 160GBs HD but its all ntfs right now
[07:24] <capi> Frank_dot, ah, I was going to say it may be easier to run a stable harddrive and play with the other one as testing, but that doesn't work now, heh
[07:24] <capi> *hits backspace rapidly* It doesn't work. :(
[07:24] <Frank_dot> capi: lol
[07:25] <Frank_dot> capi: Those damn electrons are just too fast! Damn you , Einstein!
[07:26] <capi> I was hoping my computer used Tachyons for the backspace key
[07:26] <Frank_dot> capi: Lets not start a technobabble contest
[07:27] <nickrud> lol, please, tell me how :)
[07:27] <IcemanV9> geez, Frank_dot, you must used 1% of 160G space for OS plus data
[07:28] <IcemanV9> and the rest of HD is waiting to be used :P
[07:28] <Frank_dot> 1.6 GB? a bit more
[07:29] <capi> hehe I was thinking the same thing about his HDs, At least he's not one of those people who use TiB harddrives... thats craziness
[07:29] <firebird318> On Ubuntu, where does it get the root password from. Is the root password the same as the user password that you create during installation
[07:29] <nickrud> I have about 50GB on my drives, and I evny Frank_dot
[07:30] <capi> firebird318, yes I believe so.
[07:30] <nickrud> firebird318 there is no actual root password, I'll pass a link
[07:30] <crimsun> !tell firebird318 about sudo
[07:30] <nickrud> !rootsudo
[07:30] <ubotu> methinks rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:30] <FLeiXiuS> I enjoy my 400GB Maxtor :-D
[07:30] <nickrud> ah, !tell :)
[07:30] <Chrisxx> How can you only have 50gb....
[07:30] <mebaran151> what is the best way to start getting involved in the oss community
[07:30] <firebird318> when I try to login under root, it always says invalid password or something to that effect
[07:30] <mebaran151> I know a little bit of C and little bit of ruby
[07:30] <Chrisxx> <_< I have 3 250 gig hdds
[07:30] <Hmmmmmmm> hi
[07:30] <frank> firebird318: its the same because ubuntu wasnt designed to let you have a session as root other than sudo or su
[07:31] <mebaran151> and enough perl to read stuff
[07:31] <sizzam> anyone know about problems with nvidia drivers on 2.6.10-5-ky?
[07:31] <FLeiXiuS> Chrisxx: raid arrayed?
[07:31] <sizzam> ky = k7
[07:31] <Chrisxx> yes, 5
[07:31] <frank> chrisxx: mirrored?
[07:31] <firebird318> in terminal when I type su root it asks for password so I type that and it always says sorry, authentication failure
[07:31] <Chrisxx> striped
[07:31] <Hmmmmmmm> how do i dual boot ubuntu and windows XP?
[07:31] <crimsun> Hmmmmmmm: presuming you install Ubuntu after Windows XP, grub takes care of that
[07:32] <frank> chrisxx: if theyre striped doesnt that mean you lose everything if one goes down, and how can you fill that much mem?
[07:32] <nickrud> video, how else?
[07:32] <Chrisxx> Hmmmmmmm: install XP then install ubuntu, grub should detect it
[07:32] <Hmmmmmmm> do i have to install ubuntu on a sperate partition?
[07:32] <FLeiXiuS> frank: yes you will loose a lot if one fails...but thats not the point :-P
[07:32] <Frank_dot> sizzam: I use that combination and it seems to work ok
[07:32] <crimsun> Hmmmmmmm: currently, yes
[07:32] <IcemanV9> raid is more safe then striped, i believe
[07:32] <Chrisxx> frank: no, I still have about 66% memory keep, I can loose one hdd and still have the data stored on the others
[07:33] <Chrisxx> lose*
[07:33] <Hmmmmmmm> is grub found on the cd or do i have to download it?
[07:33] <Chrisxx> it should be put onto your Master boot record on install
[07:33] <IcemanV9> grub is installed automatically during the installation
[07:33] <nickrud> Hmmmmmmm the ubuntu install is pretty smart, it will work transparently
[07:33] <parkbench> i have two questions about GNOME environ
[07:33] <Hmmmmmmm> so i just pop in the cd and go?
[07:33] <parkbench> one is, it seems to be awfully slow in loading windows and stuff, even non-internet things
[07:33] <Chrisxx> Pretty much
[07:34] <Frank_dot> sizzam: Maybe you have to get the restricted modules package for k7 as well
[07:34] <parkbench> like windows with many effects on
[07:34] <Chrisxx> just make sure you know how you want your hdd partitioned
[07:34] <crimsun> sizzam: did you install linux-k7 ?
[07:34] <parkbench> and, it seems my resolution is messed up some how: when i maximize things, the very last part on the right gets cut off, so i cant scroll or click x
[07:34] <spermie_411> how DO i turn up my refresh reat on ubuntu, its not letting me =/
[07:34] <nickrud> parkbench that's a pretty vague description, can you be more explicit about what's slow
[07:34] <sizzam> i started off with the i386 kernel
[07:34] <sizzam> that what im using now
[07:34] <reka> Hmmmmmmm: do you have a partition set up already?
[07:34] <spermie_411> how DO i turn up my refresh rate on ubuntu, its not letting me =/
[07:34] <sizzam> nvidia works fine
[07:35] <sizzam> but when i boot into the k7 kernel, x wont start
[07:35] <sizzam> if i change xorg.conf to use nv instead of nvidia, it loads
[07:35] <Chrisxx> spermie_411: System > Preferences > screen resolution
[07:35] <nickrud> parkbench you may need to use the monitor controls to get the screen resized right relative to the windows version of the monitor
[07:35] <Hmmmmmmm> yes i have 3 partitions
[07:35] <crimsun> sizzam: did you install linux-k7?
[07:35] <Chrisxx> spermie_411: you can change refresh rate in there
[07:35] <reka> spermie_411: afaik, it will select the highest rate available for that res that is safe for your monitor
[07:35] <Hmmmmmmm> 1 currently has nothing on it
[07:35] <sizzam> crimsun:  no, i'll grab that
[07:35] <reka> Hmmmmmmm: good to go then :)
[07:35] <parkbench> nickrud: it seems nearly every application or window or action in ubuntu right now is slow--and i just restarted a little whilea go; it's not just internet pages or anything, it seems to take a while to load the look adn feel of each window
[07:36] <spermie_411> actually im using kubuntu sorry i forgot 0=(
[07:36] <Hmmmmmmm> i dont know what version i have but its the one with the picture of 3 people, one girl is wearing orange; anyways can i install this version and patch it to the latest version?
[07:36] <frank> chrisxx, reka: i've had that problem before and it would only let me go up to 1024 on a 1280 monitor
[07:36] <parkbench> kubuntu seems very interesting
[07:36] <parkbench> oh well much too late -_-
[07:36] <frank> so dont trust that settings program
[07:36] <sizzam> crimsun:  anything else i should grab before i reboot?
[07:36] <Chrisxx> frank: I don't have the problem with Ubuntu, its only with Debian
[07:36] <reka> Hmmmmmmm: what version does it say on the packaging?
[07:36] <crimsun> sizzam: do you plan to compile any kernel modules?
[07:37] <Chrisxx> frank: and knoppix
[07:37] <reka> !tell frank about fixres
[07:37] <sizzam> maybe, grab headers/source?
[07:37] <crimsun> sizzam: linux-headers-k7
[07:37] <Hmmmmmmm> where do i look?
[07:37] <sizzam> crimsun:  thanks a ton
[07:37] <Frank_dot> where can you see what ubotu knows about?
[07:37] <sizzam> testing now
[07:37] <Hmmmmmmm> oh 4.10
[07:37] <crimsun> that's Warty, Hmmmmmmm
[07:38] <D1> is anyone using NetworkManager in Breezy with sucess?
[07:38] <spermie_411> it will only let me do 60hz on 1024x768??/
[07:38] <Hmmmmmmm> so its possilbe to install that then patch it up to 5.04?
[07:38] <spermie_411> thats horrible
[07:38] <crimsun> Hmmmmmmm: yes
[07:38] <reka> frank: btw, what you're talking 'bout is resolution, not refresh rates.
[07:38] <Hmmmmmmm> cool
[07:38] <nickrud> Hmmmmmmm absolutely
[07:38] <Hmmmmmmm> thanks guys
[07:38] <reka> i think...
[07:39] <reka> spermie_411: your monitor rates were probably detected wrong...post your xorg.conf to the pastebin in the topic please
[07:40] <pagefault> has anyone had any success getting hibernation to work in hoary?
[07:40] <pagefault> on their laptop that is
[07:40] <crimsun> it works fine on my t41
[07:41] <pagefault> I am having some problems on my dell 600m it shuts down properly but when it boots back up the graphics are corrupt and the system locks up
[07:41] <hyphenated> I haven't attempted it on my dell 6000
[07:41] <IcemanV9> doesn't work on hp ze5185 or n8154
[07:41] <trog_> can't get hibernation on a dell i8000
[07:42] <pagefault> ah ok
[07:42] <pagefault> I just wanted to be sure it wasn't just me :)
[07:42] <firebird318> I am still trying to install my modem, it no longer tells me that the versions don't match, it just tells me ERROR: Module re-compilation and installation failed! It has always told me that and now when I look at the log file that is created, there are a few errors at the end of the file. They are osmemory.c:219: error: called object is not a function        osmemory.c:219: error: syntax error before string constant make[1]  : *** [osme
[07:42] <firebird318> 1 and make: *** [osspec]  Error 2. How can I fix these errors? Can anyone help?
[07:42] <IcemanV9> guess hibernation needs some kinks to iron out
[07:42] <sizzam> crimsun:  that fixed it,  you rock
[07:43] <pagefault> it's extremely slow too
[07:43] <pagefault> almost as fast doing a cold boot
[07:43] <sizzam> my glxgears framerates have gone from about 100 in i386 to 3000's in k7
[07:43] <spermie_411> reka: what did you wabt me to post?
[07:44] <reka> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:44] <crimsun> sizzam: actually Frank_dot suggested it first.
[07:44] <Chrisxx> is there any better aim client than gAIM?
[07:44] <sizzam> oh, i missed that
[07:44] <spermie_411> Section "Monitor"
[07:44] <spermie_411> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[07:44] <spermie_411> 	Option		"DPMS"
[07:44] <spermie_411> 	HorizSync	28-49
[07:44] <spermie_411> 	VertRefresh	43-72
[07:44] <Chrisxx> its really BIG
[07:44] <sizzam> Frank_dot:  thank you
[07:44] <spermie_411> that part?
[07:44] <Razor-X> anyone here use zsh?
[07:45] <reka> spermie_411: to a paste bin please
[07:45] <reka> but yes
[07:45] <lowell> hi can I join
[07:45] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: that's your choice, really
[07:45] <Razor-X> lowell: of course
[07:45] <reka> spermie_411: now do this: sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[07:45] <lowell> thanks
[07:45] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: depends on the features you're looking for
[07:45] <spermie_411> N00b<! dont understand what u mean by paste bin
[07:45] <spermie_411> ok
[07:45] <Razor-X> !paste
[07:45] <Chrisxx> something like trillian
[07:45] <ubotu> hmm... paste is ""http://ubuntu.pastebin.com http://pastebin.com or #flood here on freenode.""
[07:46] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: again, it depends
[07:46] <Razor-X> I prefer the CLI interface, and I do stuff in there
[07:46] <spermie_411> i cant copy and paste it all in here
[07:46] <Razor-X> but foremost comes emacs uniformity, so there it is
[07:46] <reka> spermie_411: in future, don't paste more than a line please
[07:46] <Razor-X> spermie_411: did ja see ubotu?
[07:46] <reka> spermie_411: i already saw the section.
[07:46] <Razor-X> reka: 3 lines or more, actually ;)
[07:46] <Razor-X> *3 lines
[07:46] <reka> spermie_411: just run the command i told you in a terminal
[07:46] <Razor-X> no more than 3 lines is allowed to be pasted, IIRC
[07:47] <spermie_411> I did
[07:47] <reka> Razor-X: ah, ok then :)
[07:47] <Razor-X> except a cowsay ;)
[07:47] <Razor-X> those things pwn
[07:47] <IcemanV9> Chrisxx: i like trillian .. too bad, they don't have linux version
[07:47] <crimsun> Chrisxx: there're bitlbee, naim, centericq, etc.
[07:47] <reka> spermie_411: what's the output?
[07:47] <reka> Razor-X: cowsay?
[07:47] <spermie_411> spermie@Spermie:~$ sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[07:47] <spermie_411> spermie@Spermie:~$
[07:47] <Razor-X> reka: sudo aptitude install cowsay
[07:47] <spermie_411> thats all it did
[07:47] <Razor-X> then run 'cowsay moo'
[07:47] <Razor-X> you'll see ;)
[07:47] <reka> spermie_411: ah, ok then
[07:48] <reka> spermie_411: we can't detect your rates automatically....what model is your monitor?
[07:48] <spermie_411> viewSonic  VE155
[07:49] <reka> spermie_411: k, hang on
[07:49] <spermie_411> ok
[07:49] <x55> how is everyone tonight?
[07:49] <spermie_411> how do u all hight light the persons name so u know there talking to you?
[07:50] <spermie_411> high^
[07:50] <frank> you mean like in xchat?
[07:50] <spermie_411> yeah
[07:50] <Razor-X> spermie_411: if I prepend your name to my statement, then it's hilighted for you, in XChat
[07:51] <Razor-X> all names are hilighted on my end (I like it too)
[07:51] <frank> case doesnt matter either, so like Frank_dot shows up in red for me too
[07:51] <spermie_411> Razor-X so this is high lighted to you then?
[07:51] <Razor-X> spermie_411: yes, it is
[07:51] <Razor-X> but, on my client, all names are
[07:51] <spermie_411> alright =)
[07:51] <Razor-X> (like Frank_dot
[07:51] <Razor-X> )
[07:51] <reka> spermie_411: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[07:52] <reka> spermie_411: to make a backup
[07:52] <spermie_411> ok did that
[07:52] <reka> spermie_411: then: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:52] <reka> spermie_411: then change the section you showed me before to this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/509
[07:52] <Razor-X> hmmm... curl can't download recursively?
[07:54] <reka> spermie_411: save the file, close it, then restart X with a ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:55] <ekho> how play mp3?
[07:55] <Hmmmmmmm> where can i find the 4
[07:55] <reka> !tell ekho about restricted
[07:55] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: use wget
[07:55] <Hmmmmmmm> where can i find the 4.10 to 5.04 patch?
[07:55] <x55> is hoary good about detecting card readers/CF cards?
[07:56] <ekho> how to play mp3
[07:56] <anacron> ekho: do you mean, which program do you need for playing mp3's?
[07:56] <ekho> yes
[07:56] <x55> xmms
[07:56] <anacron> ekho: xmms is good
[07:56] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: wget wasn't working
[07:56] <frank> ekho: or the codec?
[07:56] <Chrisxx> x55: Very good
[07:56] <Razor-X> *cough* curl prints output to stdout?
[07:56] <x55> ah good, i haven't even tried yet
[07:56] <Razor-X> :(
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: wget works, if wget isn't working, something else is wrong :)
[07:56] <Hmmmmmmm> any can tell me how to patch to the latest version?
[07:57] <crimsun> Hmmmmmmm: you just change your sources.list, update && dist-upgrade
[07:57] <spermie_411> reka alright ill be back in a sec
[07:57] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: then, maybe you can help me wget one page of the Ubuntu wiki and recursive pages one level down
[07:57] <Chrisxx> x55: I've yet to have it fail on any of my pen drives/card readers, even the ones that windows struggles to read
[07:57] <crimsun> Hmmmmmmm: there are instructions on the wiki
[07:57] <frank> ekho: try gstreamer0.8-lame
[07:57] <Chrisxx> x55: But I've yet to try my iPod
[07:57] <x55> i noticed in the forums people have problems hooking up their digital cameras directly
[07:57] <x55> but that seems like a waste of battery....
[07:57] <Chrisxx> x55: hmm, I've never done that honestly
[07:57] <reka> Chrisxx, x55 : *cough* beep-media-player is nicer :)
[07:58] <x55> is it?
[07:58] <x55> i've yet to try it
[07:58] <x55> i'm still fresh to this
[07:58] <Chrisxx> reka: Thats what I'm playing my bill hicks cd in right now :-) thanks for recommending it
[07:58] <reka> x55: it's just prettier.  it's based on xmms
[07:58] <x55> aaah
[07:58] <reka> Chrisxx: yw
[07:58] <Razor-X> I think i'm a play a song in emms ;)
[07:58] <x55> hey, is there a way to get the shoutcast television station playback here on linux?
[07:58] <x55> i really miss those
[07:58] <Razor-X> x55: VLC
[07:59] <Razor-X> !vlc
[07:59] <ubotu> vlc is, like, a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formatsbb and excellent streaming support
[07:59] <Razor-X> !info vlc
[07:59] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[07:59] <x55> oh nice
[07:59] <Razor-X> I let ubotu do the work for me ;)
[07:59] <Razor-X> hell, I think i'm gonna put those two statements in a macro
[07:59] <concept10> Razor-X, what should I use to watch mp4 files? I get no sound
[07:59] <Razor-X> concept10: in VLC?
[07:59] <reka> Razor-X: cow said moo :)
[08:00] <x55> i've noticed the totem media player is incredibly jerky on all of my videos
[08:00] <x55> is this a normal issue?
[08:00] <Chrisxx> It'd be sweet if foobar2000 would run on linux
[08:00] <x55> i just use gxine now
[08:00] <srbaker> anyone here ahve trouble with firefox downloading obscenely large files?
[08:00] <reka> x55: local or DVD?
[08:00] <concept10> Razor-X, totem, mplayer, xine
[08:00] <ekho> what program to play music mp3
[08:00] <srbaker> like 4G?
[08:00] <x55> loxL
[08:00] <x55> local
[08:00] <srbaker> for some reason, it'll only download 2097M
[08:00] <anacron> vlc is great, but i got it messed up, if i try to watch videos in fullscreen they are all pixelate
[08:00] <deFrysk> x55, get totem-xine
[08:00] <reka> x55: hmm, i haven't had problems...but i did switch to totem-xine
[08:00] <Razor-X> reka: pwnage, hmmm?
[08:00] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:00] <x55> aah
[08:00] <jasmuz> srbaker: i use d4x for large downloads
[08:01] <Coyctecm> hmm
[08:01] <ekho> guys....
[08:01] <concept10> I am pissed, I cant listen to sound in these video files
[08:01] <nickrud> ekho rhythmbox, xmms, muine, are all good mp3 players
[08:01] <ekho> what program to play mp3?
[08:01] <reka> Razor-X: hehe.  how did that get in the repo? :)
[08:01] <Razor-X> anacron: reset the settings
[08:01] <x55> right now i'm working with the "debian bible," hahaha
[08:01] <anacron> ekho: XMMS
[08:01] <ekho> but in ubuntu nothing
[08:01] <reka> concept10: try installing gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:01] <Razor-X> reka: still, awesome
[08:01] <deFrysk> xmms , mother of linux mp3 players
[08:02] <nickrud> !tell ekho about restrictedformats
[08:02] <reka> Razor-X: whatever floats your boat :)
[08:02] <Razor-X> deFrysk: VLC > j00 > beep > xmms
[08:02] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:02] <anacron> j00? :D
[08:02] <concept10> !restrictedformats
[08:02] <ubotu> methinks restrictedformats is ""https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats"", or codecs
[08:02] <deFrysk> Razor-X, :)
[08:02] <Chrisxx> !tell chrisxx about restrictedformats
[08:02] <anacron> is that really player?
[08:02] <Razor-X> anacron: no, not reall ;)
[08:02] <reka> :)
[08:02] <anacron> i thought so
[08:02] <Razor-X> reka: OMG WTF?!
[08:02] <Razor-X> that's like... sacrilege!
[08:02] <reka> heh
[08:02] <Razor-X> it's the Ubuntu cow!!!
[08:03] <nickrud> ekho mp3 is a 'non-free' codec, you must do someting extra to get it
[08:03] <concept10> ubotu forget restricted formats
[08:03] <ubotu> concept10: i didn't have anything called 'restricted formats'
[08:03] <concept10> ubotu forget restrictedformats
[08:03] <ubotu> i forgot restrictedformats, concept10
[08:03] <Razor-X> wonder how many people know about emms, erc, TNT, YodEl, etc. ;)
[08:03] <Razor-X> concept10: ...........
[08:03] <anacron> Razor-X: what are those? :D
[08:03] <nickrud> concept10 why did you do that?
[08:03] <reka> Razor-X: not vim users, taht's for sure
[08:04] <Razor-X> reka: they know about it, just deny their existence ;)
[08:04] <concept10> uboto restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:04] <nickrud> ah, ok :)
[08:04] <devvvv> het reka
[08:04] <Razor-X> I _am_ emacs!!!
[08:04] <concept10> uboto, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:04] <devvvv> hey^
[08:04] <Razor-X> ubotu restrictedformats is
[08:04] <Razor-X>             https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:04] <ubotu> Razor-X: Are you smoking crack?
[08:04] <Razor-X> ugghhh
[08:04] <devvvv> i gotta problem reka. this is spermie
[08:04] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:04] <concept10> !restrictedformats
[08:04] <ubotu> concept10: Are you smoking crack?
[08:04] <reka> devvvv: worked?
[08:05] <devvvv> i cant long into X =(
[08:05] <Razor-X> ubotu restrictedformats is restrictedformats is
[08:05] <Razor-X>             https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:05] <ubotu> Razor-X: what are you talking about?
[08:05] <Razor-X> WTF
[08:05] <concept10> !restrictedformats
[08:05] <x55> are there any mainstream pc companies putting out linux boxes?
[08:05] <Chrisxx> what program would I use to watch xvid/avi?
[08:05] <reka> devvvv: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:05] <concept10> Razor-X, you stressed out the bot
[08:05] <Razor-X> ubotu restrictedformats is restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:05] <reka> devvvv: to go back to the original
[08:05] <ubotu> Razor-X: what are you talking about?
[08:05] <x55> or trying to hock them off to the general public, rather
[08:05] <nickrud> ubotu restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[08:05] <ubotu> nickrud: okay
[08:05] <reka> devvvv: sorry.  looks like i stuffed you up :(
[08:05] <concept10> I was removing the double quotes
[08:06] <Chrisxx> x55: Dell puts SuSE and Red Hat onto their servers, I haven't looked into it much, windows usually locks the companies into windows on their desktops
[08:06] <Razor-X> ubotu restrictedformats is restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:06] <ubotu> Razor-X: what are you talking about?
[08:06] <nickrud> !restrictedformats
[08:06] <ubotu> nickrud: Are you smoking crack?
[08:06] <Razor-X> ubotu, restrictedformats is restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:06] <nickrud> !restricted formats
[08:06] <ubotu> I guess restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[08:06] <concept10> Okay, leave it alone
[08:06] <x55> windows?  locking down a company into their software?  i don't believe it
[08:06] <x55> nonsense, hahaha
[08:06] <jordan_> hi
[08:06] <Razor-X> there we are, it works
[08:06] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: VLC
[08:06] <jordan_> i new to ubunto
[08:07] <concept10> you guys say what I was trying to do, right?
[08:07] <Razor-X> jordan_: ubunt_u_
[08:07] <jordan_> my bro show me it
[08:07] <Chrisxx> :-P well they boost up the licensing fee if they use other OS's
[08:07] <nickrud> concept10 yes
[08:07] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: ?
[08:07] <dodgyville> Hi
[08:08] <concept10> Anyway, back to my question: what do I use to play these files: http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/news/download_go_open/
[08:08] <x55> hahaha, they're so mafia-esque
[08:08] <dodgyville> I just got Hoary liveCD for a 2001 ibook, but it boots incredibly slowly.
[08:08] <nickrud> !tell nickrud about restrictedformats
[08:08] <concept10> They are mp4, divx but I get no sound in NO media players
[08:08] <nickrud> ubotu restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[08:08] <ubotu> okay, nickrud
[08:09] <nickrud> !tell nickrud about restricted formats
[08:09] <reka> dodgyville: it takes a while.  specially if you have a slow CD drive/ low RAM
[08:09] <nickrud> !tell nickrud about restrictedformats
[08:09] <jasmuz> dodgyville: remember you are using only ram....if you had  a swapspace in the disk it would be faster
[08:09] <Ninwa> Does anybody know if PHP5 will be in Ubuntu repositories soon?
[08:09] <Razor-X> uggghhhh
[08:09] <devvvv> reka you sure this is right sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[08:09] <Razor-X> or you can use VLC
[08:09] <reka> devvvv: whoops.
[08:09] <Razor-X> !vlc
[08:09] <ubotu> it has been said that vlc is a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formatsbb and excellent streaming support
[08:09] <Razor-X> !info vlc
[08:09] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[08:09] <reka> devvvv: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.con
[08:09] <reka> devvvv: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:09] <Razor-X> ubotu forget vlc
[08:09] <ubotu> Razor-X: i forgot vlc
[08:10] <reka> devvvv: i forgot the / on the second one
[08:10] <Razor-X> ubotu vlc is a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formats and excellent streaming support
[08:10] <ubotu> Razor-X: okay
[08:10] <devvvv> lol reka
[08:10] <Razor-X> it seems I accidentially hit 'b' instead of C-b when writing that definition ;)
[08:10] <Razor-X> reka: have you seen a screenshot of my desktop?
[08:11] <officermb> hello - was wondering...is there a driver for winmodems for ubuntu?
[08:11] <devvvv> i havent Razor-X
[08:12] <Chrisxx> when I go to download vlc it says it failed md5sum
[08:12] <Chrisxx> every time
[08:12] <Razor-X> devvvv: http://www.sosdg.org/~razorx/snapshot5.png
[08:12] <Burgundavia> Chrisxx, you using the us archives?
[08:12] <othernoob> Chrisxx: don't use the us archives..
[08:12] <reka> Razor-X: you're gonna show off your emacs plugins aren't you? :)
[08:12] <Chrisxx> us archives?
[08:12] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: remove the "us." from your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:12] <Razor-X> reka: not my plugins, but my eamcs
[08:12] <Razor-X> that's because that _is_ my desktop, though
[08:12] <concept10> Im sick of this, I have mplayer, totem, gxine, realplayer ....... how many do I need!
[08:13] <Razor-X> concept10: just vlc ;)
[08:13] <Chrisxx> um.....every time I try to edit the sources.list file I screw it up and have to reformat....
[08:13] <reka> concept10: choice is what linux is about :)
[08:13] <othernoob> Chrisxx: time to learn then ;)
[08:13] <Burgundavia> concept10, totem-xine works for everything that I have thrown at tit
[08:13] <Razor-X> reka: very true
[08:13] <concept10> I understand that, I want one for all formats
[08:13] <breezy1patched-n> hey any chance of getting 3 or 4 md5sums fixed on breezy
[08:13] <nickrud> concept10 totem-xine, and mozilla-mplayer, for simplicity
[08:13] <Razor-X> I dunno, people hear the word VLC and feel... alienated
[08:13] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: why izzat?
[08:13] <bimberi> officermb: There is the smartlink drivers - which worked for me - YMMV
[08:13] <concept10> Its not about choice, its about getting a good app with support for all.
[08:13] <Chrisxx> othernoob: It has happened several times, I'm not sure exactly what I do wrong
[08:14] <concept10> (formats)
[08:14] <Razor-X> dude, my first sources.list edit was when I was 11
[08:14] <dodgyville> Will an existing MacOS 10.1 system share nicely with a PPC install?
[08:14] <Razor-X> and after reading the format of the doc, I got it right ;)
[08:14] <officermb> bimberi: got a link so i might try?
[08:14] <Razor-X> (in vi too ;)
[08:14] <othernoob> concept10: do you know which of them play vobsub subtitles? vlc displays em in black, mplayer crashes (for me, with one particular file because of audio) and kaffeine doesn't display em
[08:14] <bimberi> officermb: I'll PM you
[08:14] <reka> Razor-X: you running at 640?
[08:14] <officermb> ty
[08:14] <nickrud> lol, I was over 40 when I first heard of debian
[08:14] <reka> Razor-X: seems rather large
[08:14] <Razor-X> concept10: I don't like the support for all, I like the total choice thing
[08:14] <Razor-X> nickrud: XD
[08:15] <Razor-X> i'm 15 meself
[08:15] <concept10> othernoob, have you tried gxine?
[08:15] <Razor-X> reka: oh, that's because I like keeping my terminal font-size large
[08:15] <Razor-X> see, I have glasses, and I don't like wearing 'em while computing, but that means I can't read smaller fonts
[08:15] <othernoob> concept i use kde, so i'd rather not install gnome progs, but yes, tried that as well
[08:15] <reka> Razor-X: ah
[08:15] <breezy1patched-n> wow...these firegl drivers for ati don't stack up at all against the massive 11megabyte nvidia drivers....ati stuff needs more work
[08:15] <reka> Razor-X: anime fan eh?
[08:16] <concept10> Razor-X, Choice is great, but a decent application is better - Why do you think Ubuntu was originally packaged GNOME only?  With Evolution only?  With Firefox ONLY?
[08:16] <Razor-X> reka: of course ;)
[08:16] <Razor-X> just take a look at my Eterm background
[08:16] <Razor-X> concept10: ahhh, why do you think I changed the defaults? ;)
[08:17] <Razor-X> I prefer the, while it may be complicated, more choice approach rather than the, everything is there approach
[08:17] <devvvv> Razor-X is that a old Screenshot
[08:17] <Razor-X> devvvv: yeah
[08:17] <nickrud> Razor-X that means we first saw it about the same time, I guess
[08:17] <IcemanV9> breezy1patched-n: no kidding .. i am waiting for ATI ppl to wise up and improve dang ATI driver
[08:17] <Razor-X> I installed w3m after that
[08:17] <reka> IcemanV9: we all are
[08:17] <concept10> Razor-X, like I said choice is great, but you put your money down, Ubuntu will continue to package the best of the breed apps.  Thats my point.  I was asking about the 'best of breed' application for video
[08:18] <devvvv> reka hey do u still have that link with my monitor specs i think i know what i did wrong
[08:18] <reka> devvvv: you do?
[08:18] <auk> grphx: i remembered what i showed you to do now: set up fstab to aoto-mount windows
[08:18] <Razor-X> concept10: but that's the thing, there's no definitive best
[08:18] <crimsun> concept10: the best of breed as far as Ubuntu is concerned is there in the distro: totem.
[08:18] <breezy1patched-n> IcemanV9, well the only thing i can say about the firegl...is that they work for Lament screensaver at 100fps and nvidia zooms along at 2000fps.....that is a significant difference...considering all other hardware identical
[08:18] <Razor-X> crimsun thinks it's totem, I think it's VLC, nalioth likes mplayer custom compiled
[08:18] <crimsun> concept10: personally wxvlc is more appealing, but that's just me.
[08:18] <reka> devvvv: this is the one i googled your rates for: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/509
[08:18] <nickrud> concept10 then, it's probably mplayer, or xine as a backend. There really are no other contenders
[08:18] <reka> devvvv: but you said that stufed you up
[08:18] <devvvv> reka yeah! it wasnt you that lead me wrong it was my typing
[08:19] <devvvv> its fixed its cool
[08:19] <nickrud> vlc is an upstart :)
[08:19] <Razor-X> nickrud: but it has excellent compatibility and stability
[08:19] <crimsun> Razor-X: well, no. As far as best of breed is concerned, there's really no topping mplayer.
[08:19] <Razor-X> and no messy codecs
[08:19] <reka> devvvv: so your problem's fixed?
[08:19] <concept10> I would probably use mplayer if if was GTK2, I only use it for browser streaming
[08:19] <Razor-X> crimsun: the volume controls on mplayer repeat command suck
[08:20] <breezy1patched-n> IcemanV9, that is 20x faster....ati needs more work to get in the ballpark...but at least you can see the gl stuff with ati
[08:20] <devvvv> here in a minute it will be i gotta re edit that file
[08:20] <reka> can anyone pause playback in xmms/bmp?
[08:20] <Razor-X> in that sense, I much prefer cplay for audio
[08:20] <othernoob> crimsun: how come mplayer can't decode some audio in an avi while kaffeine doesn't have any problems then?
[08:20] <crimsun> Razor-X: the commands in mplayer generally are subpar to me.
[08:20] <reka> i can't seem to unpause
[08:20] <Razor-X> crimsun: if you repeat a song, and set the volume down for one instance, it raises the volume back for the second
[08:20] <IcemanV9> breezy1patched-n: yep
[08:20] <crimsun> othernoob: beats me. Like I said, I use wxvlc.
[08:20] <Razor-X> which makes variable volume a pain-in-the-arse
[08:21] <Razor-X> concept10: I love the wide-open-spaces of the CLI
[08:21] <concept10> Razor-X, stay in the dungeon
[08:21] <Razor-X> concept10: I'll stay in my emacs, you can have your sugar coating
[08:21] <concept10> if thats what you prefer
[08:21] <crimsun> as soon as Ron pushes wxwidgets2.6 into Sid, I hope to get it synced so I can push the new version of vlc into Breezy
[08:21] <Razor-X> and RAM hogging ;)
[08:21] <breezy1patched-n> well does anybody know which tarball creates the /etc/mailcap file and also the one that creates the /etc/mime-type file
[08:21] <tombs> hi ppl
[08:22] <nickrud> I've been cli'ing since '83, I do it when there's no other way, or I've been doing that way too long :)
[08:22] <Razor-X> crimsun: are you going to add the WMV patch?
[08:22] <auk> emacs!! but opera...
[08:22] <crimsun> Razor-X: nothing's happening until wxwidgets2.6 goes in
[08:22] <Razor-X> auk: yeah, nice standards-compliant browser
[08:22] <devvvv> alright lets hope this time it works
[08:22] <auk> Razor-X: not now
[08:22] <othernoob> crimsun i'd use vlc for the file too, but it displays vobsub subtitles in black, which are hard to read on black background
[08:22] <Razor-X> crimsun: ahhh, ok
[08:22] <Razor-X> othernoob: you can change that
[08:22] <crimsun> I'm not going to build against wxwidgets2.5 since it was ripped out of Debian, and wxwindows2.4 is ... well, not my first choice to build against
[08:23] <othernoob> Razor-X: where?
[08:23] <Razor-X> othernoob: i'm pretty sure there's a setting, hold on
[08:23] <auk> Agrajag: Belgium!!!
[08:23] <Jogariga> does anyone know what's the problem with the sources.list listed on ubuntu guide for breezy on ppc?
[08:23] <Razor-X> crimsun: try to add the best features ;)
[08:24] <auk> !ubuntuguide
[08:24] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[08:24] <nickrud> lol
[08:25] <nickrud> Jogariga if you really want breezy, just use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles and replace hoary with breezy
[08:25] <Panzerboy> morning all
[08:25] <auk> ?
[08:25] <breezy1patched-n> Jogariga, don't replace yet...there is not a lot working on breezy
[08:25] <auk> what do you want?
[08:25] <auk> what is your name?
[08:25] <auk> why are you here????????????
[08:25] <breezy1patched-n> Jogariga, even evolution is broken...but some stuff is beginning to work
[08:25] <Razor-X> Panzerboy: it's 11:25 P.M. (23:25) here ;)
[08:26] <Panzerboy> Razor-X: :)
[08:26] <auk> Panzerboy: ?
[08:26] <nickrud> Jogariga run breezy on a partition other than your hoary one, and remember you're only playing around for a while
[08:26] <breezy1patched-n> Jogariga, we are only using breezy to port it to hurd
[08:26] <Razor-X> auk: s/<auk>//
[08:26] <Panzerboy> auk: are you talking to me?
[08:26] <auk> gggggrrrrrr
[08:26] <auk> ;-)
[08:26] <concept10> okay, last time...does anyone know what codec decodes mp4?  cant get vlc
[08:26] <Razor-X> concept10: why can't you get VLC?
[08:26] <Jogariga> ok
[08:27] <concept10> repos down
[08:27] <crimsun> concept10: mp4? you need liblive and libfaad
[08:27] <Panzerboy> concept10: what repos?
[08:27] <Razor-X> concept10: MD5SUM mismatch?
[08:27] <hondje> there's an mp4?
[08:27] <devvvv> lol reka you wouldnt happend to be able in scroll up and send me that fisrt text i sent you with the orignal specs i gave you could you?
[08:27] <hondje> I thought 3 was enough...
[08:27] <Razor-X> hondje: XDDDDDD
[08:27] <ilba7r> i had proftpd and removed it to install pure-ftpd now as i run purftpd i get the message can not run as stand alone as server already started
[08:27] <nickrud> concept10 the best info (and the codecs available) are on mplayer.nu , I believe
[08:27] <Panzerboy> hondje: yest htere is
[08:27] <alpha> mp4 = divx
[08:27] <concept10> Razor-X, yes
[08:27] <Razor-X> and why the third-layer is music only, I won't know...
[08:27] <Panzerboy> mplayer.hu
[08:27] <ilba7r> how can i stop the ftp server after removing the package
[08:27] <Panzerboy> not .nu
[08:27] <Panzerboy> :)
[08:27] <Razor-X> alpha: no
[08:27] <hondje> media stuff is beyond me
[08:27] <nickrud> Panzerboy thanks
[08:27] <hondje> I can't even figure out how to press buttons in dvdrip
[08:28] <auk> wow. messages come in spurts on this channel.
[08:28] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: what ftp server?
[08:28] <alpha> Razor-X: well ok it means video
[08:28] <Razor-X> auk: of course
[08:28] <auk> lol
[08:28] <auk> btu tehy are unrelated
[08:28] <Razor-X> alpha: I think I figured that much out, but there's a huge rift there, blindly calling mp4 -- divx
[08:28] <ilba7r> panzerboy a place where you can ftp files to other pc
[08:28] <reka> devvvv: lucky i'm still here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/510
[08:28] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: i KNOW what a FTP server is
[08:28] <ilba7r> sorry
[08:28] <ilba7r> i used ftpd
[08:28] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: i was asking what particular ftp server are u running :)
[08:28] <Panzerboy> ok
[08:28] <ilba7r> i used proftpd
[08:28] <othernoob> Razor-X: did you find the setting for vobsub?
[08:29] <Panzerboy> so
[08:29] <Razor-X> ilba7r: he said what ftp server, not what is ;)
[08:29] <Razor-X> othernoob: am looking
[08:29] <Panzerboy> you want to stop proftpd?
[08:29] <alpha> Razor-X: yeah but i was trying to put it simply
[08:29] <Panzerboy> after you've uninstalled it?
[08:29] <Razor-X> you can even google it
[08:29] <ilba7r> razor i am sleepy and can not see console well
[08:29] <Razor-X> alpha: an encoder will bite your ear off for that ;)
[08:29] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: that's understandable :)
[08:29] <Razor-X> ilba7r: i'm joshing with ya
[08:29] <ilba7r> thanx panzerboy
[08:29] <auk> ilba7r: go to bed ;-D
[08:30] <ilba7r> no problem razor-x its just i spent to much time trying to fix it
[08:30] <Razor-X> ilba7r: ftpd sucks
[08:30] <fanartprof> oooooo
[08:30] <Razor-X> get tftpd
[08:30] <fanartprof> *looks around*
[08:30] <alpha> Razor-X: indeed but try explaining to your mom divx vs xvid ect..
[08:30] <Panzerboy> hmm ... is proftpd running through inetd?
[08:30] <ilba7r> so i had proftpd then uninstalled it
[08:30] <Panzerboy> ok
[08:30] <Panzerboy> yes
[08:30] <Razor-X> alpha: ahhh, true that
[08:30] <Razor-X> I can though ;)
[08:30] <ilba7r> no amazingly the server is still on
[08:30] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: go ahead :)
[08:30] <crimsun> just use scp or sftp
[08:30] <Panzerboy> lol
[08:30] <Panzerboy> umm
[08:30] <ilba7r> yes panzerboy it was runningt through inetd
[08:30] <devvvv> reka Yes i am lucky. i don't understand why it isnt working =?
[08:30] <firebird619> I cannot get my modem installed on Ubuntu 5.04. Can anyone help me? After running make install I then run hsfconfig which returns: ERROR: Module recompilation and installation failed! Please examine the log file "/tmp/hsfconfig-recomp/log.9272" to determine why. When I look at the log file it does show some errors but I do not know how to fix them.
[08:30] <Chrisxx> reka: Since I have to use Esound with B-M-P do I need to use it with VLC?  If so do you know how to use it?
[08:30] <fanartprof> i'm new to lynux.... ^^; so, hi all, i'm a noob
[08:30] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: then i guess you must restart inetd
[08:31] <Tim_> Hello all I'm looking for someone who can help me with gnopernicus.
[08:31] <crimsun> Chrisxx: install vlc-esd
[08:31] <concept10> oh well, gues I wont be watching those videos tonight
[08:31] <ilba7r> tried that
[08:31] <ilba7r> perhaps using wrong command
[08:31] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: vlc-esd
[08:31] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: and maybe do also a apt-get purge proftpd
[08:31] <nickrud> fanartprof then, welcome :)
[08:31] <ilba7r> can you give me the command again
[08:31] <Panzerboy> so that all the files are deleted
[08:31] <reka> devvvv: still can't log in?  i thought you reverted back to the original you had backed up
[08:31] <Chrisxx> I installed that, is there anything else I need to set in preferences?
[08:31] <concept10> whats up with that md5sum problem anyway
[08:31] <auk> yeah
[08:31] <Panzerboy> concept10: the us.archive is b0rked
[08:31] <alpha> anyone else get checksum errors when they try and get lilo kde gui, i get it on a few others as well
[08:31] <auk> for how long?
[08:31] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: also try vlc-alsa
[08:31] <fanartprof> um, i'm looking for a music writing program... does any one have any ideas?
[08:31] <breezy1patched-n> concept10, well i have 3 files on breezy that have md5sum problems....one is telnet, one is docbook and i forget the other
[08:32] <Razor-X> alpha: remove the 'us.' from your sources.list
[08:32] <auk> Panzerboy: *
[08:32] <alpha> ahh ok
[08:32] <devvvv> reka ahh, i can log in, but i still need to get my refresh rate to go uo higher
[08:32] <reka> fanartprof: as  in composition
[08:32] <reka> ?
[08:32] <fanartprof> yea
[08:32] <alpha> Razor-X: any good asian servers?
[08:32] <Razor-X> ubotu badrepos are 'us.' in your /etc/apt/sources.list -- Remove them for better downloading
[08:32] <concept10> Panzerboy, I did that before let me check my list
[08:32] <ubotu> Razor-X: okay
[08:32] <Razor-X> alpha: what country are you in?
[08:32] <breezy1patched-n> concept10, ok docbook-xml, telnet, and gnucharmap....all 3 have md5sum errors on apt-get
[08:32] <alpha> Razor-X: im in china on the hongkong boarder
[08:32] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: sudo /etc/init.d/inetd restart
[08:32] <concept10> breezy1patched-n, okay.
[08:33] <Razor-X> alpha: the generics work fine, you can try 'hk.', not sure though
[08:33] <fanartprof> yes. composing
[08:33] <fanartprof> ^^;
[08:33] <reka> fanartprof: i can't recommend an exact program, but synaptic's sectioning will come in handy
[08:33] <Chrisxx> WOOHOO! Watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force in linux :)
[08:33] <bimberi> concept10: have you tried removing "us." from your sources.list (sorry if you've been asked this before)
[08:33] <ilba7r> thanx panzerboy
[08:33] <hondje> hondje.us
[08:33] <Razor-X> !badrepos
[08:33] <ilba7r> hope that does it
[08:33] <ubotu> badrepos are 'us.' in your /etc/apt/sources.list -- Remove them for better downloading
[08:33] <alpha> Razor-X: if theres a hk server that would be rad that or jp
[08:33] <reka> devvvv: do you know if your monitor can go higher than 1024?  or is it fairly old?
[08:33] <Razor-X> alpha: i'll bet there's a jp ;)
[08:34] <Razor-X> try it out, no harm in it
[08:34] <fanartprof> sectioning?
[08:34] <Razor-X> you can always cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak
[08:34] <Razor-X> that way, you have a backup
[08:34] <alpha> i can pull 300kps off most jp servers or more so that would be nice
[08:34] <reka> fanartprof: open up synaptic, click on the sections button in the lower left
[08:34] <nickrud> fanartprof you can try control-f in synaptic (System-Adminstration-Synaptic Package Manager on the top menu) to search for programs.
[08:34] <devvvv> not sure. my friend stole it from his school, but it isnt to old, its a thin flat pannel
[08:35] <nickrud> you can try using music, composition, or some other relevant term
[08:35] <reka> hehe
[08:35] <alpha> Razor-X: im really new to ubunto been using gentoo up till 3 days ago do i have to edit the conf or is there a gui and or a list of servers?
[08:35] <concept10> somone please tell Seveas to update the topic when the servers are fixed (US)
[08:35] <reka> devvvv: is this an ubuntu only system?
[08:35] <reka> or do you have windows on it as well?
[08:36] <devvvv> well kubuntu but yes
[08:36] <dodgyville> Can I resize a mac HDD without destroying the data on it?
[08:36] <ilba7r> panzerboy same error unable to start stand alone server Address already in use
[08:36] <bimberi> concept10: have you tried removing "us." from your sources.list
[08:36] <concept10> bimberi, done.
[08:36] <firebird619> I cannot get my modem installed on Ubuntu 5.04. Can anyone help me? After running make install I then run hsfconfig which returns: ERROR: Module recompilation and installation failed! Please examine the log file "/tmp/hsfconfig-recomp/log.9272" to determine why. When I look at the log file it does show errors  but I do not know how to fix them. Can anyone help me solve this problem?
[08:37] <fanartprof> reka yea, i know about that.
[08:37] <concept10> bimberi, didnt want to do that - sometimes I get tired of messing around  with conf files
[08:37] <devvvv> reka, these are the specs on my monitor http://www.superwarehouse.com/ViewSonic_VE155-1_Beige_15_LCD_Monitor/VE155-1/p/119583
[08:37] <reka> fanartprof: yeah, do aas nickrud  suggested and use the search facility
[08:37] <reka> *as
[08:37] <bimberi> concept10: fair enough - but it should get you going
[08:37] <concept10> firebird619, post your errors on pastebin
[08:37] <nickrud> at least there wasn't an extra s :)
[08:38] <fanartprof> yea, i was trying those, but i wasn't sure where to start
[08:38] <fanartprof> because, i could find midi programs, but i'm not looking for midi
[08:38] <concept10> Thanks crimsun, I forgot you were here :)
[08:38] <Panzerboy> i am just shocked
[08:38] <Panzerboy> omfg
[08:38] <reka> devvvv: try the rates they give on the site then
[08:39] <concept10> Panzerboy, what happened?
[08:39] <reka> devvvv: 30-62 for horizontal, and 50 - 72 for vertical
[08:39] <firebird619> ok I will
[08:39] <nickrud> fanartprof I've cruised through the packages available for a while, and I think rosegarden (sp?) may help, but I'm not sure
[08:39] <Panzerboy> there is this guy who owns a footbal team in my country
[08:39] <Panzerboy> and he was running for president last year
[08:39] <fanartprof> rosegarden? hmmm....
[08:39] <Panzerboy> and now he was invited in a talk show
[08:39] <Panzerboy> at some tv
[08:39] <Panzerboy> and the reporter asked him something
[08:39] <nickrud> I suggest searching, or looking on freshmeat.net for something that is good, and seeing if it is available in ubuntu
[08:40] <Panzerboy> and he started to swear everybody there
[08:40] <Panzerboy> the owner of the tv station, the reporter, everybody
[08:40] <fanartprof> nickrud, that's exactly what i'm looking for. thanks
[08:40] <Panzerboy> he went on and on for about 5 minutes
[08:40] <fanartprof> ^_^
[08:40] <nickrud> fanartprof even a clock is right twice a day :)
[08:40] <Panzerboy> god!
[08:41] <fanartprof> ... huh?
[08:41] <woodwizzle> is there a way I can use wget to download a buncha files in one websites directory?
[08:41] <fanartprof> >.>'
[08:41] <nickrud> fanartprof I got lucky
[08:41] <fanartprof> lol
[08:42] <concept10> My night just got worse, really having repo problems now!
[08:42] <firebird619> ok, I pasted to pastebin
[08:42] <reka> Panzerboy: who was he?
[08:42] <gyaresu_> woodwizzle, 'man wget' >> it says it there.
[08:42] <devvvv> reka alright lets try this one
[08:42] <Panzerboy> reka: just some guy :)
[08:42] <firebird619> could somebody please check it out and help me?
[08:42] <JaneW> morning
[08:43] <fanartprof> nickrud well, thanks. ^^; i'm still trying to get used to lynux.
[08:43] <IcemanV9> epiphany responds faster than firefox!
[08:43] <nickrud> fanartprof enjoy, it's fun
[08:43] <robitaille> hi JaneW
[08:43] <breezy1patched-n> IcemanV9, dillo is even faster than epiphany
[08:43] <JaneW> I am trying to install some new fonts to ubuntu - I have d/led the fonts but am unsure how to install them - I can't seem to copy them into the fonts directory etc...
[08:43] <JaneW> hi robitaille
[08:43] <cafuego> telnet is even faster then dillo
[08:44] <devvvv> hey reka
[08:44] <breezy1patched-n> cafuego, ping is faster than telnet
[08:44] <reka> devvvv: yep?
[08:44] <nickrud> JaneW drop the fonts into /usr/share/local/fonts for all users, or ~/.fonts for one user
[08:44] <devvvv> that time it worked =)
[08:44] <woodwizzle> gyaresu, believe me I've been reading the man pages, however it doesn't seem as straightforward as I'd like and everything I've tried has failed
[08:44] <fanartprof> nickrud ok, um.... now that it's installed.... how do i get it? ^^; (very large sweat drop)
[08:45] <xChill> hi i am looking for a sound howto for mounting ntfs partitions automatically. any suggestions?
[08:45] <JaneW> nickrud: thanks will try that now, I was trying to copy into ///fonts before....
[08:45] <nickrud> fanartprof I've never used rosegarden, only know about it. You might want to look in /usr/share/doc/rosegarden for more documentation
[08:45] <reka> devvvv: \0/
[08:45] <reka> devvvv: always helps if you have the offical specs. :)
[08:45] <breezy1patched-n> fanartprof, well rosegarden does play midi files and you can repeat them too
[08:45] <fanartprof> nickrud no, i mean, how do i search for it and open it?
[08:46] <reka> fanartprof: have you installed it?
[08:46] <breezy1patched-n> fanartprof, plus you get that graphical stuff
[08:46] <fanartprof> nickrud yes
[08:46] <nickrud> fonts:// looks at whatever fontconfig is configured to look at
[08:46] <Madpilot> !fonts
[08:46] <ubotu> it has been said that fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[08:46] <fanartprof> nickrud no, wait.... it didn't install
[08:46] <fanartprof> grrr...
[08:47] <xChill> hi i am looking for a sound howto for mounting ntfs partitions automatically. any suggestions?
[08:47] <woodwizzle> for instance wget -r seems to go backwards recusively not forward
[08:47] <nickrud> fanartprof a general rule for seeing what the invocation for a program is, dpkg -l <package> | grep bin
[08:47] <gyaresu> xChill, http://ubuntuguide.org
[08:47] <reka> !ubuntuguide
[08:47] <ubotu> [ubuntuguide]  a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[08:48] <gyaresu> pffft.
[08:48] <Jowi> Hi everyone
[08:48] <Syedburns> Hey hey
[08:48] <reka> xChill: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[08:48] <xChill> ty
[08:48] <xChill> ill try that
[08:48] <reka> whoops
[08:49] <reka> i think it's down
[08:49] <JaneW> nickrud: says I do not have permission to do so... do I need to sudo?
[08:49] <xChill> doesnt work
[08:49] <nickrud> JaneW to drop into /usr/local, yes
[08:49] <xChill> reka: alternatives?
[08:49] <devvvv> reka yeah good point
[08:50] <reka> Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automaticall
[08:50] <fanartprof> well, thanks again. ^_^
[08:50] <gyaresu> xChill, here's my /etc/fstab entry
[08:50] <reka> xChill: there you go
[08:50] <gyaresu> xChill, "/dev/sdb1       /media/ntfs     ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0"
[08:50] <breezy1patched-n> man i sure hate this translucent shit on breezy...it sure makes it hard to click on the transparent or flashing stuff
[08:51] <xChill> gyaresu: ty
[08:51] <Marble2> ugh, what packages do I need to have installed for totem to play movie files? every time I try to play something, I get a codec could not be handled error
[08:51] <gyaresu> Marble2, w32codecs
[08:51] <nickrud> heh, I can't wait till I have a machine fast enough that I can not click on that transparency stuff :)
[08:51] <Amaranth> Marble2: totem-xine and w32codecs
[08:52] <Marble2> i have both
[08:52] <gyaresu> Marble2, from backports: "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted"
[08:53] <JaneW> thanks guys, I looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto and it's worked :))
[08:53] <DanielC> Hello. How can edit the bootup sequence?
[08:53] <hondje> !bum
[08:53] <ubotu> hondje: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:53] <hondje> yessir
[08:53] <reka> xChill: blatantly copying gyaresu's entry might not work...you have to work out which partition you want to mount.
[08:53] <gyaresu> DanielC, "sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[08:54] <DanielC> I don't want postfix between NVIDIA-TLS and xinetd.
[08:54] <robitaille> JaneW:  another fine example of how much stuff we have on our wiki.
[08:54] <Marble2> gyaresu: I entered that line in my sources.list and now I get a bunch of errors
[08:54] <gyaresu> xChill, reka is SO right.
[08:54] <DanielC> gyaresu: No, I mean the sequence of daemons that get started during boot up.
[08:54] <nickrud> Me, I keep all my personal stuff out of /usr/share, and have a separate partition for /usr/local. It makes upgrades smoother.
[08:55] <gyaresu> xChill, sorry. i didn't mean it litoraly
[08:55] <Ninwa> Does anybody know a good place to look to learn how to create Ubuntu .deb packages?
[08:55] <Ninwa> Ubuntu wiki and guide lack information on it.
[08:55] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, man this translucent shit really sucks....like if you call up synaptic...it sets in the bar and oscillates between full light and opaque
[08:55] <jiyuu0> For offline installation for commonly used applications (internet, multimedia, etc)
[08:55] <jiyuu0> Unofficial UbuntuGuide 5.04 Add-On CD Guide
[08:55] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=150088&postcount=1
[08:55] <jiyuu0> *Grab it when it's still there
[08:55] <gyaresu> xChill, /dev/sdb1 is the first partition of the second serial drive.
[08:56] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n well, next week I may have an opinion, the machine I use now is just too slow to even try that stuff
[08:56] <reka> jiyuu0: i thought it was illegal.
[08:56] <gyaresu> xChill, do you know what drive/partition your ntfs is?
[08:56] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, well it is nothing more than eye-candie for newbs.....the old-timers that have seen better ways to do things absolutely would not like it anyway
[08:56] <xChill> gyaresu: all set, thanx again
[08:57] <firebird619> Could someone please take a look at my post in Pastebin and hopefully help me fix those errors I am getting? Any help would be appreciated?
[08:57] <gyaresu> DanielC, sorry daniel i can't think at the mo.
[08:57] <jiyuu0> reka, same as the backports... use it when it's still available
[08:57] <DanielC> gyaresu: ok, thanks.
[08:58] <uscfan> im installing courier-imap and its giving me an error regarding x86_64 telling me to recompile with -fPIC
[08:58] <uscfan> im on an a64
[08:58] <Marble2> can someone help me? totem-xine won't play any video for me, I get a handling error on whatever I play, I have w32codecs installed
[08:59] <Jowi> Marble2, what is the error? What are you trying to play?
[08:59] <reka> firebird619: at a guess, it looks like you're missing headers
[08:59] <reka> firebird619: you the guy who is trying to install his modem drivers?
[08:59] <gyaresu> DanielC, try looking around at update-rc.d
[09:00] <firebird619> yes
[09:00] <Marble2> Jowi: any video file, doesn't matter what type. It says "Video codec 'XviD format' is not handled."
[09:00] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n speaking of eye candy, I want luminocity in metacity, but I guess I am perverse :)
[09:00] <Marble2> the XviD format part changes though
[09:00] <reka> firebird619: what modem?  other people might have it
[09:00] <gyaresu> DanielC, it's the numers that make the difference.
[09:00] <Marble2> depending on what type of file it is
[09:00] <Marble2> but it won't play anything
[09:00] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, well i don't know about your machine but mine is years out of date.....and i dont' care...the new
[09:00] <DanielC> gyaresu: Ok, will do.
[09:00] <breezy1patched-n> drm stuff doesn't impress me in the least
[09:00] <JaneW> robitaille, :)
[09:00] <Marble2> i don't know what I did, it played these same files fine yesterday
[09:00] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n I'm running a 466 celeron, and have for years. It's only recently that I've felt the need for more speed
[09:01] <IcemanV9> is there a seperate module for visualization only?? i like to watch it (it's too small right now) while listening to music. (i use bmp)
[09:01] <firebird619> The device manager says it is an HSF 56k HSFi Modem
[09:01] <Jowi> Marble2, please type: gst-register-0.8
[09:01] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, that has plenty of speed ...you just need to get a few things compiled on freedos32 for that machine
[09:01] <lcharly_TheOne> How can i see a video en fullscren in mplayer??
[09:01] <nickrud> lol
[09:01] <devvvv> is there Snesx9 for linux?
[09:01] <reka> firebird619: so that'd be a dialup modem?
[09:01] <gyaresu> DanielC, rc.0.d rc1.d are the runlevel folders and are symbolically linked to the actual services in /etc/init.d/*
[09:01] <Jowi> Marble2, that will re-register all types that totem handles
[09:02] <firebird619> yes
[09:02] <reka> devvvv: yep
[09:02] <devvvv> can i apt-get it?
[09:02] <reka> firebird619: and it wasn't autodetected in networking?
[09:02] <reka> devvvv: yep
[09:02] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, i don't have anything new either...just some old ati and nvidia garbage-scooping stuff
[09:02] <firebird619> no it wasn't
[09:02] <Ninwa> Does anybody know a good place to look to learn how to create Ubuntu .deb packages? :]  Hate to repeat but it seems a valid question.
[09:02] <reka> firebird619: and that's why you're trying to install drivers?
[09:02] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, bottom-of-the-line stuff....if you know what i mean
[09:02] <firebird619> yes
[09:02] <Ninwa> I've checked guide and wiki.
[09:03] <reka> firebird619: personally, i use wvdial, so i can't really walk you through a driver isntall
[09:03] <reka> *isntall
[09:03] <reka> bah
[09:03] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, it will never run doom3...but personally i dont' care
[09:03] <firebird619> would wvdial allow me to use my modem without installing drivers.
[09:03] <lcharly_TheOne> is the same thing with an ATI that with a Nvidia for the drivers??
[09:03] <Marble2> Jowi: I did that, it still errors
[09:03] <reka> firebird619: but, if you want to go that route.  i suggest you work out which files are missing so you can compile
[09:03] <reka> firebird619: depends, if it detects it correctly
[09:04] <reka> firebird619: it's also run through CL and takes up a terminal, which some people don't like
[09:04] <Jowi> Marble2, did you install libxvidcore4?
[09:04] <Marble2> yea
[09:04] <Marble2> it's installed
[09:04] <firebird619> is wvdial already on my PC
[09:04] <reka> lcharly_TheOne: er, what?
[09:04] <reka> firebird619: yes
[09:04] <firebird619> how can I access it, it is worth a try
[09:04] <reka> firebird619: read the documentation.  it's quite good
[09:05] <breezy1patched-n> lcharly_TheOne, yes the hardware is the same except for the drivers and nvidia is about 20x faster than ati...that is significant beyond measurement error
[09:05] <lcharly_TheOne> but the ubuntu detect itself??
[09:05] <breezy1patched-n> lcharly_TheOne, but at least you can see the gl stuff with ati
[09:05] <lcharly_TheOne> or i need drivers??
[09:05] <peterretief> whats a good cd burner
[09:06] <firebird619> where is the documentation at? Is it on the PC or is it a Web site
[09:06] <Ninwa> fire
[09:06] <Ninwa> huhuhu
[09:06] <Marble2> k3b
[09:06] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n I still run a voodoo3, so, I guess I must not too concerned about that stuff
[09:06] <nickrud> lcharly_TheOne F is the command for full screen in mplayer; if you get a black screen with a tiny window, you need to change your vo to xv
[09:06] <IcemanV9> peterretief: gnomebaker
[09:06] <nickrud> heh, but, I run a voodoo3, maybe those newfangled cards have better video :)
[09:06] <Marble2> any ideas Jowi ?
[09:06] <devvvv> sudo apt-get install snes9x  E: could not find package  =^(
[09:06] <Jowi> Marble2, thinking.
[09:06] <lcharly_TheOne> nickrud thanks thas my problem the black screen
[09:06] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, well...you may not know this but vodoo is where nvidia got their ideas from
[09:06] <newbie> hei any one in ubuntu have program like deepfreeze in windows ?
[09:06] <Marble2> I have no clue what I did, but it played everything fine this just recently
[09:06] <newbie> it can freeze form any user who newbie
[09:06] <devvvv>                  devvvv  Heat broken
[09:06] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n yeah, I used to follow that stuff
[09:07] <Jowi> Marble2, can totem-xine handle any music files?
[09:07] <peterretief> thansk IcemanV9
[09:07] <reka> firebird619: it's located in /usr/share/doc/wvdial
[09:07] <nickrud> lcharly_TheOne np
[09:07] <Marble2> let me try
[09:07] <firebird619> I found the MAN page for it
[09:07] <reka> http://support.real-time.com/linux/dialup/wvdial.html
[09:07] <devvvv> and its HOR
[09:07] <newbie> ?
[09:07] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, i can't remember history very well on this issue....but i think it started when SGI said fuck the cheap video cards...we don't sell anything for less than $5million dollars apiece
[09:07] <Marble2> yea
[09:07] <IcemanV9> devvvv: apt-cache search snes
[09:07] <reka> firebird619: read: http://support.real-time.com/linux/dialup/wvdial.html
[09:07] <Marble2> playes those fine
[09:07] <newbie> ask my question pls
[09:07] <nickrud> lol, and now, those cards are probably $20 on ebay
[09:07] <firebird619> ok I will check it out. Thanks for the help
[09:07] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, and somebody 3dlabs or someone decided to experiment with a cheap 3dfx card
[09:08] <reka> firebird619: sure.  good luck
[09:08] <newbie> hey all
[09:08] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, then somehow nvidia got wind of what was going on...and bought out the rights.
[09:08] <newbie> in ubuntu have program like deepfreeze in windows ?
[09:08] <Marble2> Jowi: it plays music fine
[09:09] <devvvv> thank ya IcemanV9
[09:10] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n I probably bought the wrong card back then: I think the tnt2 had just come out, but I got the voodoo instead. It was for a particular game, and for the life of me, I can't even remember the name
[09:10] <newbie> ?
[09:10] <newbie> anyone hear me
[09:10] <firebird619> Unfortunately, wvdial does not detect my modem either
[09:11] <Jowi> Marble2, lets check the codecs one by one: gstreamer0.8-plugins? gstreamer0.8-lame? gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg? w32codecs? libdivx4linux? lame? sox? ffmpeg? mjpegtools?
[09:11] <reka> newbie: what's deepfreeze?
[09:11] <nickrud> newbie yes, but I don't think anyone here at the moment knows; me, I'm not even sure what deepfreeze is :)
[09:11] <Jowi> Marble2, maybe you missed one?
[09:11] <reka> firebird619: really? what does it say?
[09:11] <newbie> doh
[09:11] <newbie> u dunno
[09:11] <newbie> like go back from norton
[09:11] <newbie> that program call go back
[09:12] <nickrud> well, except for one program
[09:12] <reka> newbie: so like a system restore?
[09:12] <newbie> it can restore anything after u restart ur pc
[09:12] <Madpilot> newbie: are you talking about this: http://www.faronics.com/html/deepfreeze.asp  ??
[09:12] <newbie> yes
[09:12] <newbie> like that
[09:12] <newbie> in linux have too ?
[09:12] <firebird619> It says Sorry, no modem was detected. Is it in use by another program? Did you configure it properly with setserial?
[09:12] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, yes that is the way it goes.....but the vodoo card you have still has most of the functionality you will ever use so why bother to change it...unless the stuff just breaks
[09:12] <reka> firebird619: and it's turned on?
[09:12] <Madpilot> google rules.
[09:12] <peterretief> i think deepfreeze is a network prog for internet cafes - Linux wouldnt really need that
[09:12] <newbie> doh
[09:13] <firebird619> yes, as far as I know. How do I tell if it is turned on.
[09:13] <newbie> i need it for my cyber cafe
[09:13] <newbie> my user always change wallpaper
[09:13] <reka> firebird619: if it's external, the lights are on?
[09:13] <Marble2> Jowi: I have all of those
[09:13] <Marble2> except libdivx4linux
[09:13] <firebird619> its internal
[09:13] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n mainly, I can only do gl as 16 bits, but prefer 24 bit for smoother color. It'll be nice to have both at once.
[09:13] <Madpilot> i think - not sure, tho - that you could just create users w/ no privs?
[09:13] <Marble2> that one doesn't exist in the apt repositories...
[09:13] <newbie> firebird619 any idea for that ?
[09:13] <newbie> to restore my system
[09:13] <nickrud> Although, I don't use gl much, so it hasn't been a problme
[09:13] <Jowi> libdivx4linux might be the missing one then :-) will see where i found it
[09:14] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, well if you think that is a CRITICAL difference ....then you will have to decide on your own what is best for you.
[09:14] <Marble2> however, like I said, I think I must have changed something accidentally because I had it working...
[09:14] <mebaran151> newbie, you just dont give them those permissions
[09:14] <mebaran151> linux doesnt need that sort of program
[09:14] <mebaran151> because you can limit that sort of action
[09:14] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n not critical, otherwise I'd have bought a card a long time ago. The issue is that gnome 1.0.56 is not gnome 2.12, and I do need more processor power now
[09:15] <newbie> mebaran151 it change one by one station u know
[09:15] <reka> firebird619: looks like you have to install the driver then
[09:15] <newbie> har work
[09:15] <mebaran151> you can run your whole cafe off of live cd's
[09:15] <newbie> *hard
[09:15] <newbie> i need just program
[09:15] <firebird619> I wish I could, with NO errors
[09:15] <Jowi> Marble2, you could re-install totem-xine to make sure.
[09:15] <nickrud> plus, I do like wobbly windows :)
[09:16] <mebaran151> newbie, shoudl your users be able to change anything
[09:16] <mebaran151> or write anything?
[09:16] <Marble2> already have
[09:16] <newbie> yes mebaran151
[09:16] <mebaran151> where
[09:16] <newbie> they are change icon on desktop
[09:16] <newbie> wallpaper
[09:16] <mebaran151> you can lock the background image by making that directory read only
[09:16] <mebaran151> no
[09:16] <mebaran151> not can they now
[09:16] <reka> so could someone help out firebird619 with his 56k driver install?  he's getting these errors:http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/511
[09:16] <mebaran151> but should they be able to?
[09:16] <newbie> what about lock icon ?
[09:16] <newbie> can do that
[09:17] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, but i can do without more resolution, etc....who wants to see all the hairs in people's underarms.
[09:17] <capi> I can't figure this out. I have two linksys routers. One is connected to the modem(#1) and one is connected to #1(#2). #2 has two windows computers and the network works fine. #1 has three linux (ubuntu/debian) boxes, only the local networks work. Everything just suddenly broke today with no reason, A fresh install won't work, and rebooting the router to system defaults doesn't work. Any thoughts?
[09:17] <mebaran151> make the folder desktop read only
[09:17] <mebaran151> and they wont be able to write a thing
[09:17] <Jowi> libdivx4linux is in backports extras
[09:17] <mebaran151> you can make the whole harddrive after you set it up read only
[09:17] <reka> firebird619: good luck..i have to go
[09:17] <reka> firebird619: sorry i couldn't help more
[09:17] <mebaran151> and linux will behave really nicely
[09:17] <firebird619> OK, thanks alot reka
[09:18] <mebaran151> unlike windows
[09:18] <newbie> mebaran151 what chmod to desktop read only i mean what number example 7555 or ?
[09:18] <capi> Another thing, now I can't connect to #1 network from #2, but I used to before.
[09:18] <mebaran151> chmod 555 I believe
[09:18] <newbie> i can lock desktop but can't lock icon :(
[09:18] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n better resolution (with a suitable monitor) equals more screen real estate, which equals better productivity (in my humble opinion)
[09:18] <Jowi> Marble2, otherwise try re-install libdivxdecore0
[09:18] <mebaran151> newbie, have you ever considered livecd's
[09:18] <mebaran151> by definition they have to be read only
[09:18] <mebaran151> because they run off the cd
[09:18] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, well you can do like me and bottom-feed for things....i got two old mobos with p4s..(not fast ones however) for $40 each.
[09:19] <mebaran151> and if you want to make them clean again, just reboot the computer
[09:19] <nickrud> anyway, this is all about what's suitable for an individual, and I do have my not so humble opinions about my needs
[09:19] <Marble2> Jowi: it's not installed either
[09:19] <mebaran151> you can make anything only accessible by root
[09:20] <mebaran151> just chown / to root
[09:20] <mebaran151> and I think that will make the entire directory only owned by root
[09:20] <mebaran151> which means every directory
[09:20] <Jowi> Marble2, that one you need.
[09:20] <Marble2> can you link me to a deb file for libdivx4linux? apt errors when I add the repos you gave me, and I couldn't find it browsing manually
[09:20] <nickrud> newbie you mean lock an icon to a location on the desktop?
[09:20] <Marble2> Jowi: I can't find that one in the repos either
[09:20] <Chrisxx> Anyone want a gmail invite?
[09:20] <Jowi> Marble2, they are all in backports
[09:21] <Jowi> !backports
[09:21] <ubotu> it has been said that backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:21] <Marble2> connection refused...
[09:21] <gyaresu> reka firebird619 : looks like he's missing kernel source...
[09:22] <Jowi> Whoa, backports is down!
[09:22] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, but even so...i still keep my 486 running with freedos...it runs quite fast
[09:22] <Jowi> How long's it been down guys?
[09:22] <firebird619> Where do I get kernel source? Is that something I can install off the Ubuntu CD
[09:22] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, see ....nvidia completely destroyed SGI and they say that SUN and Apple are their next victims.....they say nobody needs a 128way server just to type a memo
[09:22] <newbie> guy's how to lock background from user
[09:22] <julo> hi
[09:22] <Jowi> hi julo
[09:22] <newbie> they'r alway change it
[09:22] <auk> hi
[09:22] <newbie> any idea for me
[09:22] <Marble2> huh
[09:23] <auk> huh?
[09:23] <julo> I'm having troubles with my USB hard drive recently with breezy: I hav to manually pmount it, or it won't mount (no entry in fstab).
[09:23] <newbie> huh ?
[09:23] <auk> pmount?
[09:23] <nickrud> newbie search for the gnome administrator's guide, it has some guidelines for locking down the desktop
[09:23] <julo> Has there be any change in the way hal/gvm works ?
[09:23] <gyaresu> firebird619, you should preface your statement to someone with thier name or they won't see your message.
[09:24] <julo> auk: yes pmount, which enables to mount a device without a line in /etc/fstab
[09:24] <gyaresu> firebird619, (and you can usually type the first couple of letters and then TAB to auto-complete.
[09:24] <firebird619> ok. I will remember that.
[09:24] <firebird619> ok gyaresu I will remember that
[09:25] <gyaresu> firebird619, there you go!
[09:25] <nickrud> http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/doctable/docs/system-admin-guide.html <-- newbie
[09:25] <gyaresu> firebird619, :) so you need the kernel source that matches your kernel.
[09:25] <gyaresu> firebird619, 'uname -a'
[09:25] <nickrud> gaj
[09:25] <auk> firebird: kernel.org
[09:25] <nickrud> gakkk
[09:25] <newbie> ok the point is how to lock control center
[09:25] <newbie> any suggest
[09:26] <gyaresu> firebird619, auk (i think that just apt-get'ing the source is better for the n00b cause of the patches...)
[09:26] <firebird619> gyaresu: uname -a returns Linux Ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386
[09:26] <Chrisxx> julo: try this script I was sent to earlier http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~foulplay/winmac_fstab
[09:26] <kyoman_> hmm i have to disks on a ata raid controller configured as standalone disks,they dont even show up in device manager,anyone have a idea
[09:26] <auk> julo: hmm i have used mount w/ no fstab entry
[09:26] <kyoman_> two disks
[09:26] <gyaresu> so 'apt-cache search linux-source'
[09:26] <kyoman_> 2
[09:27] <auk> gyaresu: you can apt-get the osource? so that's what deb-source is for.
[09:27] <firebird619> gyaresu: what does apt-getting do, does that search the computer or the Internet
[09:27] <auk> i am somewhat of a newbie ymself
[09:27] <gyaresu> firebird619, 'apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10'
[09:27] <auk> firebird: internet
[09:27] <devvvv> any of u all want a gmail email adress??
[09:28] <auk> open /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:28] <gyaresu> firebird619, and you may as well get 'build-essentials' if you're on a fast net.
[09:28] <auk> devvvv: sure
[09:28] <auk> heehee
[09:28] <gyaresu> firebird619, man apt-get
[09:28] <gyaresu> firebird619, apt-get is your command line package install/remove programme.
[09:29] <devvvv> auk whats ur email address and ill send you a invite
[09:29] <gyaresu> and it's just HEAPS quicker to type this stuff than click on the GUI's
[09:29] <auk> firebird: try synaptic
[09:29] <domster> firebird619, apt-get is like sweet sweet goodness on toast. you'll love it.
[09:29] <gyaresu> firebird619, auk : i disagree, it's really only a couple of commands that you need....
[09:29] <gyaresu> firebird619, listen to domster in that regard.
[09:30] <auk> gyaresu: yes, apt-get is better, but he might like a grapical util better
[09:30] <domster> heh
[09:30] <firebird619> gyaresu, so does apt-get search my computer. If it searches the Internet that won't work because I am trying to install the modem so I have no access to the Internet on Ubuntu
[09:30] <hyphenated> firebird619: apt-cache search will look at a bunch of index files that have a list of packages available. apt-get install will download things from the internet and install them
[09:30] <domster> apt-setup, select CD?
[09:30] <gyaresu> firebird619, /etc/apt/sources.list is a list of places you can download .deb packages from to install on your computer.
[09:31] <firebird619> hyphenated: I cannot use apt-get then because I have no Internet access on Ubuntu
[09:31] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, again....people don't give a crap about faster or higher resolution graphics...they don't care to see people's underarm hairs in great detail quickly.
[09:31] <auk> devvvv: oh, nm. i don't need one
[09:31] <gyaresu> firebird619, 'apt-get update' gets the latest list of packages from the different repositories.
[09:31] <hyphenated> firebird619: uh.. is that internet access something you're trying to fix, or have you set it up without internet on purpose?
[09:31] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, and desktop real estate is not a problem....move some of your folders out of the Desktop area
[09:31] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, that is what you have a file manager for
[09:32] <firebird619> gyaresu: I will not be able to use apt-get if it downloads from the Internet, I don't have access to the Internet on Ubuntu. That is what I am trying to install and I get those errors I posted in the Pastebin
[09:32] <signius> apt-get also searches the CDs it depends what you got listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:32] <capi> I can't figure this out. I have two linksys routers. One is connected to the modem(#1) and one is connected to #1(#2). #2 has two windows computers and the network works fine. #1 has three linux (ubuntu/debian) boxes, only the local networks work. Everything just suddenly broke today with no reason, A fresh install won't work, and rebooting the router to system defaults doesn't work. Any thoughts? Another thing, now I can't connect to #1 ne
[09:32] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n I'm running a 1024x768 desktop, and I have run 1600x1200. There is no comparison
[09:32] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, well i am still running 800x600 and will likely never change
[09:32] <firebird619> gyaresu: what exactly do I have to type, and do I type it in Terminal
[09:33] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, it is more than sufficient if programmed correctly
[09:33] <gyaresu> firebird619, sorry man. you need the web for apt......
[09:33] <auk> firebird619: if you are not sonnected to the internet, apt-get install will not work
[09:33] <gyaresu> firebird619, hence the modem... right, gotcha.
[09:33] <firebird619> gyaresu: ok, anything else that might work.
[09:33] <Madpilot> breezy1patched-n: *try* a higher rez. far from never changing, you likely will never go back... bigger really is better in this case...
[09:33] <nickrud> newbie system->help->desktop->system administration Guide has the best info about lockdowns that I know of
[09:33] <gyaresu> firebird619, lets think about this lateral
[09:34] <gyaresu> firebird619, ...ly
[09:34] <auk> lol
[09:34] <julo> Chrisxx: thanks for the script !
[09:34] <devvvv> is there a plugin for firefox for windows media player so i can view win32 Avi files on linux?
[09:34] <gyaresu> firebird619, so do you have the install cd or install dvd?
[09:34] <firebird619> yes
[09:34] <gyaresu> devvvv, mplayer
[09:34] <firebird619> install CD
[09:34] <gyaresu> devvvv, mplayer-plugin-somethingsomethin
[09:34] <firebird619> oops gyaresu yes, install CD
[09:35] <gyaresu> ah.
[09:35] <nickrud> devvvv mozilla-mplayer
[09:35] <auk> devvvv: for windows
[09:35] <gyaresu> firebird619, so your apt repository consists of one cd with whatever packages are on it.
[09:35] <auk> mplayer can play indows media?
[09:35] <auk> !?!?
[09:35] <ubotu> auk: No idea
[09:35] <auk> oops
[09:35] <gyaresu> auk, yes.
[09:36] <auk> is that legal?
[09:36] <nickrud> auk yes, but you need the w32codecs from backports. That will play most everything
[09:36] <nickrud> auk not in the us
[09:36] <gyaresu> firebird619, do you have internal 'winmodem' or external modem.
[09:36] <auk> oh, yes, i knew that
[09:36] <auk> nickrud: i did not knwo that
[09:36] <firebird619> gyaresu: Internal 'winmodem'
[09:36] <gyaresu> firebird619, bugger.
[09:36] <nickrud> lol
[09:37] <newbie> nickrud i'm using kubuntu
[09:37] <newbie> ican't find that
[09:37] <gyaresu> firebird619, any other internet accesible machines?
[09:37] <firebird619> gyaresu: yes
[09:37] <firebird619> gyaresu: my other machine uses XP Pro
[09:37] <gyaresu> firebird619, are they on dialup or dsl?
[09:37] <nickrud> newbie then, I'd look on kde.org for som docs, I just assumed you were using gnome :)
[09:37] <firebird619> dial-up
[09:37] <firebird619> gyaresu: dial-up
[09:37] <newbie> ohh
[09:38] <auk> use dpkg tehn
[09:38] <gyaresu> firebird619, so you can download the packages manualy and then use 'dpkg -i thingy.deb'
[09:38] <Burgundavia> newbie, you might have better luck in #kubuntu
[09:38] <nickrud> newbie most everyone here uses gnome (ubuntu), sometimes there are some clueful people on #kubuntu
[09:38] <firebird619> gyaresu: where do I download from and how long about will it take.
[09:38] <auk> why does ubuntu need a seperate distro for kde, when no other distros do?
[09:39] <gyaresu> firebird619, do you have an old 486 machine lying around?
[09:39] <auk> i never could get that
[09:39] <Burgundavia> auk, it is not really a seperate distro
[09:39] <Burgundavia> auk, it is a deriviative
[09:39] <signius> apt-get also searches the CDs it depends what you got listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:39] <Burgundavia> auk, they use the same repos
[09:39] <firebird619> no, both my XP machine and Ubuntu machine are P4's
[09:39] <signius> there is a irc room for kubuntu tho isnt there ?
[09:39] <signius> #kubuntu
[09:39] <auk> Burgundavia: but it is a seperate install cd
[09:39] <nickrud> auk canonical supports gnome, and the masters of the universe do kubuntu, if my memory serves
[09:39] <Burgundavia> auk, that is smart
[09:39] <firebird619> gyaresu: 3.2 Ghz & 2.0 Ghz
[09:39] <Burgundavia> auk, people who are new to linux don't want to choose
[09:39] <breezy1patched-n> Madpilot, no thanks...i learned how to do things efficiently and intelligently from the wise old-timers....who knew resources were scarce......i see no reason to squander those additional and expensive resources foolishly
[09:40] <auk> but linux should not have to be modified for a de
[09:40] <Burgundavia> because they don't have enough info to make an informed decision
[09:40] <Burgundavia> auk, it isn't
[09:40] <devvvv> awsome@!
[09:40] <auk> it should run on top, and whatever modifications that need to be made shoudl be made by the de or by the user
[09:40] <breezy1patched-n> Madpilot, this is the reason nvidia is rich and SGI is broke......sure SGI and IBM can make the fastest computers in the world...but who wants them...people care about price and they like free or damn close to it
[09:40] <Madpilot> breezy1patched-n: yah, but they're not expensive anymore, or rare. 12x10 on a 19" screen rocks
[09:40] <gyaresu> firebird619, nah man, i'm thinking you need www.sharethenet.com (cept it's not up at the mo)
[09:40] <Burgundavia> auk, that is the way it works
[09:41] <auk> hmm
[09:41] <Burgundavia> auk, kubuntu and ubuntu use the same kernel and packages
[09:41] <nickrud> auk you can do apt-get ubuntu-desktop from a kubuntu install, or apt-get install kubuntu-desktop from an ubuntu install, and you'll end up with identical systems
[09:41] <nickrud> I think :)
[09:41] <firebird619> gyaresu: what is www.sharethenet.com
[09:41] <auk> oh
[09:41] <gyaresu> firebird619, you need an old computer to act as a router for your dialup network so you can have multiple boxes using the web.
[09:41] <alpha>  i installed normal ubuntu is then installed kde is there a difference with kubuntu?
[09:41] <Burgundavia> auk, they use exactly the same repos, they just don't bother the user with choices at install time
[09:41] <Burgundavia> alpha, no
[09:42] <gyaresu> firebird619, it's just like an adsl router for dialup. and it costs nothing. i used it for 3 years with many computers on dialup ( the horror)
[09:42] <othernoob> Burgundavia: how's giving the user the option to manually partition possible in that logic then?
[09:42] <firebird619> I have a network hub but I haven't got any Ethernet cables yet.
[09:42] <gyaresu> firebird619, and it runs from a floppy disk with no need for an HDD.
[09:42] <alpha> Burgundavia: thanks
[09:42] <Burgundavia> othernoob, that is being worked on and should be considered a bug
[09:43] <Burgundavia> othernoob, because it is quite a complex issue
[09:43] <othernoob> what is complex?
[09:43] <firebird619> gyaresu: Does networking the PC's and having all of them on the Web speed up the Web a lot, a little, what?
[09:43] <othernoob> partitioning?
[09:43] <othernoob> or choosing between KDE and Gnome?
[09:43] <othernoob> or the entire concept of free choice?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> othernoob, parititioning automatically is not easy
[09:43] <Seveas> othernoob, choosing between emacs and vim :)
[09:43] <Razor-X> Seveas: that's easy for me ;)
[09:43] <gyaresu> firebird619, it slows the net down. if they are all downloading (webpages/ files/ whatever)
[09:43] <Burgundavia> othernoob, you should only make the user make a decision where it matters and they have good info
[09:44] <othernoob> Burgundavia: i wouldn't know about that, never had it done automatically ;) i prefer to know what's being done
[09:44] <nickrud> a lot of window users understand partitions, but don't have a clue about kde or gnome.
[09:44] <Burgundavia> othernoob, but my grandmother or step-mother doesn't
[09:44] <auk> lol
[09:44] <Siropel> how can i install java (firefox ....for webpages)
[09:44] <Burgundavia> othernoob, nor do they care about kde vs gnome, or emaces vs vim
[09:44] <firebird619> gyaresu: but if one PC is downloading is it able to use the other PC/PC's to speed things up
[09:44] <OculusAquilae> hi
[09:44] <gyaresu> firebird619, ?
[09:44] <othernoob> Burgundavia: it's quite unlikely that your grandmother would choose linux to end up in here as well..
[09:44] <Burgundavia> othernoob, yes, but Ubuntu is aiming for everybody
[09:44] <OculusAquilae> do you also have problems with the new xserver-package in breezy?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> othernoob, Madpilot (who happens to be my brother), is a good example
[09:45] <ex-parrot> anyone know anything about the current compatability of vanilla wine vs Crossover Office vs cedega?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> OculusAquilae, yes
[09:45] <othernoob> Burgundavia: if they don't care about what they're getting, why get ubuntu at all?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> ex-parrot, cedega is a fork of wine
[09:45] <Burgundavia> othernoob, because they want a better os?
[09:45] <ex-parrot> Burgundavia, I sort of guessed that :)
[09:46] <alpha> othernoob: im really tempted to install ubuntu on my gramas computer that would end here constant downloading of spyware that she gets from her friends emails
[09:46] <Razor-X> othernoob: it's a level of commitment
[09:46] <nickrud> because it's free, and it'll run
[09:46] <Madpilot> othernoob: it's free. and better than MS...
[09:46] <OculusAquilae> Burgundavia: why?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> ex-parrot, they changed license to lgpl
[09:46] <othernoob> Burgundavia: that's debatable.
[09:46] <Razor-X> you have the commitment to learn Linux, and utilize it fully
[09:46] <Razor-X> others want something better, without the work
[09:46] <Burgundavia> OculusAquilae, breezy is the development version?
[09:46] <ex-parrot> I'm more interested in wine vs crossover office actually
[09:46] <Razor-X> now, I think that phisilophy is wrong, per-say, but to each his own
[09:46] <firebird619> gyaresu: I guess what I am asking is that if you have 2 or 3 PC's networked, if you are browsing, downloading, whatever on one PC and the other PC's are on the Internet as well doing nothing, do those other PC's help speed up the Internet. Maybe it is a stupid question, but I thought I would ask anyway.
[09:46] <Burgundavia> ex-parrot, crossover office is vanilla wine with some tweaks
[09:46] <ex-parrot> as I got MSN 7 running in Wine earlier but can't make it work in XOver so I am trying to decide which I should install on this machine....
[09:46] <Razor-X> *philosophy
[09:46] <Madpilot> heh. installing Ubuntu on this box was far less work than installing XP on it...
[09:47] <OculusAquilae> Burgundavia: yes
[09:47] <alpha> ex-parrot: msn 7 works in wine?
[09:47] <othernoob> ubuntus logic is very flawed imho...
[09:47] <alpha> rad
[09:47] <Razor-X> firebird619: does computer speed have any relation with internet speed? (want to know if you know the answer to this question)
[09:47] <alpha> ex-parrot: which parts are broken im guessing video/audio con wont work
[09:47] <Razor-X> othernoob: it's the "What caters to most" logic
[09:47] <auk> i'm beign kicked off the comp. good night everyone
[09:50] <Seveas> othernoob, which logic?
[09:50] <gyaresu>  firebird619 no. there is no speed increase. the benefit is that you can have 254 computers sharing your crappy dialup connection at the same time. (there are no stupid questions only stupid answers)
[09:51] <Seveas> split - splat
[09:51] <Razor-X> gyaresu: I beg to differ on teh last bit ;)
[09:51] <Madpilot> wheeeee
[09:51] <gyaresu> Razor-X, shoosh :)
[09:51] <alpha> nice netsplit
[09:51] <Jowi> haven't seen that since 1995
[09:51] <Razor-X> Jowi: ........
[09:51] <Razor-X> netsplits are common occurances
[09:51] <Seveas> they are annoying though
[09:52] <nickrud> makes me wonder where my last comments went :)
[09:52] <Seveas> probably /dev/null
[09:52] <Jowi> Razor-X, I guess i have been out of IRC for too long then :-)
[09:52] <alpha> i remember using them to take over channels in like 1995 hehe
[09:52] <Jowi> alpha, haha, yeah. i raised havoc on EFnet!
[09:52] <Razor-X> Jowi: I was 5 when I was in IRC
[09:53] <nickrud> could be, it wouldn't be the first time
[09:53] <Razor-X> *in 1995 ;)
[09:53] <Razor-X> gah, thought-process error
[09:53] <Seveas> rofl
[09:53] <Jowi> Coffee time!
[09:54] <Razor-X> I'm hoping to be the youngest Ubuntu member ;)
[09:55] <Jowi> Razor-X, you wish! my brother in-law is 5 and has learnt to put Spiderman as a background and search new Spiderman images on google :-)
[09:55] <nickrud> Razor-X you have been beat already :)
[09:55] <IceDC571> Jowi, i learnt how to spell when i was 5
[09:55] <Jowi> Did I say that he is a Spiderman fan? ;-)
[09:56] <light_punch2> is there a cd.iso availible to download to install the packages?  other machine is not on the network.
[09:56] <Razor-X> Jowi: Ubuntu member, not user ;)
[09:56] <Razor-X> and, I started Java at 7
[09:56] <Jowi> Razor-X, oh MEMBER.
[09:56] <Razor-X> true, Java was a very very crap language at the time
[09:56] <Razor-X> but, hey, I could make dialog-boxes ;)
[09:56] <IceDC571> lol debian sarge is a pain in the ass to set up
[09:56] <Razor-X> (remeber the book I was reading too)
[09:56] <IceDC571> Razor-X, remember when i said i was switching to debian?
[09:56] <Jowi> When I was 7 I was programming basic on my C64
[09:56] <Razor-X> IceDC571: yeah
[09:57] <Razor-X> Jowi: C64 has the kickassiest games
[09:57] <IceDC571> Razor-X: well i did and it takes forever and a year to set anything up
[09:57] <Razor-X> like Space Taxi
[09:57] <Jowi> ..and we had a TI99/4A
[09:57] <othernoob> okay, that was fun...
[09:57] <Burgundavia> and Seve cities of Gold
[09:57] <Razor-X> IceDC571: well, that was my first real distro
[09:57] <alpha> i wish compiling your own kernel was more streight forward in ubuntu
[09:57] <Jowi> Razor-X, it sure had
[09:57] <Razor-X> alpha: XDDD
[09:57] <Burgundavia> alpha, uumm?
[09:57] <Razor-X> compiling your kernel is _never_ straightforward
[09:57] <othernoob> Burgundavia: what did you mean by your last comment?
[09:57] <IceDC571> i know lol
[09:57] <alpha> sure it is
[09:57] <Razor-X> I need to quote that
[09:57] <breezy1patched-n> you see what SGI failed to understand is not everyone in this room wants a Cray supercomputer......no matter how fast.....everyone is a bottom-feeder and scavenger for free stuff...that is why they are all here in this room for example
[09:58] <nickrud> good night all
[09:58] <Burgundavia> othernoob, lost behind the netsplit. What was it again/
[09:58] <alpha> im used to just getting a package then sym link and type make && menuconfig
[09:58] <Razor-X> alpha: got ya quoted ;)
[09:58] <othernoob> concept10: according to Burgundavia a distro should only let a user make a decision where it matters, like ubuntu apparently does. now KDE or Gnome does matter imho, same with manual/automatic partitiong(according to Burgundavia it's considered a "bug").
 othernoob, if you ran ubuntu, would have kde and gnome optional to install on the same disk?
[09:59] <Burgundavia> ah yes
[09:59] <Razor-X> othernoob: the end user seems to prefer less choices
[09:59] <Burgundavia> othernoob, I was asking for your opinion
[09:59] <Razor-X> it speaks a lot about the intellect of the human race
[09:59] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, not less choices
[09:59] <Burgundavia> smarter choices
[09:59] <Boomba> Hey guys... i just recieved my CDs in the mail today. I tried to use the LiveCD but it doesn't boot properly. how do i configure my system to run from a boot CD?
[09:59] <IceDC571> Razor-X: is it just me or is debian still using XFree86 instead of Xorg?
[09:59] <Razor-X> Burgundavia: in my experience, less choices confuses them
[09:59] <Razor-X> *more
[09:59] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, apples or rockets?
[09:59] <othernoob> Razor-X: okay okay, less choice..goody goody good...now tell me, how many endusers you have seen in here asking about the sources.list?
[10:00] <guerrero> md5sum mismatch ...why does this occur when downloading packages?
[10:00] <Burgundavia> othernoob, don't need much knowledge to ask about that
[10:00] <gyaresu> Boomba, do yo uknow what the bios is?
[10:00] <Razor-X> othernoob: I haven't seen a single one asking for more repos ;)
[10:00] <Jowi> Boomba, you need to select your cdrom as a boot device in you BIOS
[10:00] <othernoob> guerrero: because you're using the us.archives
[10:00] <Burgundavia> guerrero, switch away from the us.arhcive
[10:00] <Razor-X> !badrepos
[10:00] <ubotu> badrepos are 'us.' in your /etc/apt/sources.list -- Remove them for better downloading
[10:00] <Boomba> no idea what BIOS is sorry
[10:00] <othernoob> Razor-X: but you sure have seen a hell of a lot in here asking how to edit it, what to add, and so on
[10:00] <guerrero> how do I switch away from the us archive?
[10:00] <gyaresu> Jowi, go for it...
[10:00] <Razor-X> othernoob: actually, no ;)
[10:00] <guerrero> ah
[10:00] <guerrero> ok
[10:01] <Razor-X> I have heard about the badrepos problem, though
[10:01] <othernoob> Razor-X: you don't pay attention do you ;)
[10:01] <Razor-X> ('s why I gave ubotu a statement)
[10:01] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, what I meant by my non-sensical question, was that, without the knowledge to tell gnome and kde apart, the average user cannot make a decision
[10:01] <Razor-X> I'm gone at summer-school half the day at a course easier than breathing
[10:01] <othernoob> Razor-X: everytime i'm here there are at least 5-10 people asking about it
[10:01] <Razor-X> (Algebra II)
[10:01] <Jowi> Boomba, when your computer starts you will probably see a count for memory and such. there is usually a text saying "press DEL to enter bios" but only for a few seconds.
[10:01] <gyaresu> Jowi, thanks (i'm on the phone)
[10:02] <Madpilot> Boomba: some computers use "F2" to enter BIOS. Some Dells do, I know
[10:02] <gyaresu> Boomba, Jowi or F1 or F2 for Hewlett Packards.
[10:02] <Razor-X> Boomba: or F1, or F2, or F3
[10:02] <alpha> compiling your own kernel will help out alot so i dont see why its not done more
[10:02] <Jowi> Boomba, if you have a DELL computer it might just be an image without any text. DELLs uses F2
[10:02] <Razor-X> and even F5 in some cases
[10:02] <Jowi> gyaresu, you beet me to it! :-)
[10:02] <Burgundavia> alpha, only in certain places
[10:02] <guerrero> so I should comment out the us.* archive lines?  and leave only the security.ubuntu lines?
[10:02] <othernoob> Burgundavia: back to the thing you asked before the netsplit, i didn't really understand what you asked. am i right you asked me if i wanted KDE and Gnome optional on the ubuntu cd? if so, yes
[10:02] <shoutmaya> is there anyone who use Emacs? I want to get emacs-gtk(CVS version)
[10:02] <Burgundavia> alpha, and most certainly not something that we should recommend on #ubuntu
[10:02] <Razor-X> alpha: kernel compilation only helps in a spare few things
[10:03] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: hey ;)
[10:03] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, yes?
[10:03] <alpha> Burgundavia: i have a laptop so im guessing its a "few things"
[10:03] <alpha> hehe
[10:03] <overture> my situation is that i have to allow 20GB of storage for each user on our system, but many won't use that much (i.e. setting up 10 users on a 200GB drive would be an utter waste of space). so i'm trying to come up with a more intelligent method.  combining drives (logically) seemed like a good idea, if that's possible.  any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
[10:03] <Seveas> guerrero, no
[10:03] <othernoob> guerrero: no, just delete the "us." in the url or replace the "us" with ca or uk or fi or de...
[10:03] <Razor-X> then, get the cvs, make sure you have autoconf and automake, and make it
[10:03] <Boomba> Jowi, thanks. i'll try that. Madpilot, gyaresu and Razor-X, thanks for confusing me. I'll give it a go and ill be back if it doesnt work... thanks a heap guys
[10:03] <Jowi> Boomba, you need to have a close look at the first thing that shows when your computer starts to know
[10:03] <Seveas> just change us.archive to archive
[10:03] <Razor-X> and make sure you have the correct libs
[10:03] <Burgundavia> alpha, if it doesn't work ootb, it is a bug
[10:03] <Razor-X> (although I prefer plain emacs meself)
[10:03] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, yes..
[10:03] <Boomba> Jowi, will do. Thanks
[10:03] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: the problem then?
[10:03] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah... i'll try
[10:03] <Razor-X> you familiar with compiling, shoutmaya ?
[10:03] <Seveas> othernoob, a big LVM for /home would work
[10:03] <Burgundavia> othernoob, did you see my apples vs. rockets comment? that is what the kde vs gnome question looks like to a non-linux head
[10:04] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, just configure and make make install ?
[10:04] <othernoob> Seveas ?
[10:04] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: well, that, and have the neccessary libraries
[10:04] <Seveas> othernoob, LVM is the thing that combines drives :)
[10:04] <Razor-X> if something asks you for libsdl, make sure to have that lib and the -dev lib
[10:04] <shoutmaya> ah.. neccessary lib..
[10:04] <Razor-X> Seveas: a pain in the arse for me
[10:04] <othernoob> Seveas: quite right, but i didn't ask anything about it ;)
[10:04] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah.. yes!
[10:04] <Burgundavia> othernoob, and Ubuntu is firmly aimed at everybody
[10:04] <Seveas> othernoob, "My situation is...."
[10:05] <Seveas> few lines back
[10:05] <Razor-X> i'm considering partitioning a music/video partition in ReiserFS
[10:05] <Seveas> ah narf
[10:05] <othernoob> Seveas: scroll up ;) it wasnt me
[10:05] <Seveas> misread the nick :)
[10:05] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: any particular reason you want bleeding edge?
[10:05] <othernoob> Seveas: s'ok ;)
[10:05] <overture> Seveas, heh no worries
[10:05] <Seveas> overture, that was for you :)
[10:06] <Razor-X> emacs is gonna be harder if you compile it, some add-ons are just more convenient if you have the emacs package
[10:06] <overture> Seveas, with lvm, if a drive fails, can you still access data from other drives?
[10:06] <othernoob> Burgundavia: sure it is. but what about the sources.list for example? average joe doesn't want to have to edit it. neither does average joe have to enable DMA for his cd/dvd drive.
[10:06] <Seveas> overture, ENOIDEA
[10:06] <Seveas> i'd think so, but i'm not sure
[10:06] <Seveas> read the documentation :)
[10:06] <Burgundavia> othernoob, those are bugs in need a good solution
[10:06] <guerrero> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:07] <shoutmaya> hmm..
[10:07] <Burgundavia> othernoob, and they are coming
[10:07] <breezy1patched-n> shoutmaya, yes...i have used emacs successfully and still do from time to time
[10:07] <Seveas> guerrero, apt-get update
[10:07] <breezy1patched-n> shoutmaya, why do you ask
[10:07] <shoutmaya> breezy1patched-n, what ask? emacs?
[10:07] <Jowi> othernoob, they really should turn on dma by default. i agree
[10:07] <breezy1patched-n> shoutmaya, it is not my favorite even though it is RMS's favorite...but nevertheless it can be quite useful
[10:07] <breezy1patched-n> shoutmaya, yes emacs
[10:08] <othernoob> Burgundavia: are you saying that it won't be possible to choose between automatic and manual partitioning? will that come too? since you considered it a bug earlier
[10:08] <shoutmaya> breezy1patched-n, because, i use emacs, and today i installed ubuntu
[10:08] <othernoob> Jowi: yea. same with Numlock imho
[10:08] <shoutmaya> and now, i looking for EMACS-GTK
[10:08] <breezy1patched-n> shoutmaya, well there is a version of emacs for ubuntu for free so you should not have a problem
[10:08] <guerrero> Seveas, othernoob, thanks!!!
[10:08] <othernoob> guerrero: you're welcome
[10:08] <shoutmaya> breezy1patched-n, umm? emacs21 ?
[10:08] <Razor-X> i'm a total emacs buff ;)
[10:08] <charles> ok when i extract a tar file it keeps making a usr directory in my home
[10:09] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: it's officially called xemacs
[10:09] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, wow :-)
[10:09] <Razor-X> emacs21, yes, that has X
[10:09] <Burgundavia> othernoob, the default install cd is going to be unified with the installer. Which will have an option for "make room for ubuntu" You can always manually partition
[10:09] <charles> i tried doing it as root and now i just have a folder i cant delete in there
[10:09] <shoutmaya> i don't use xemacs :-)
[10:09] <Razor-X> (yes, this IRC session is run in emacs)
[10:09] <shoutmaya> I prefer GNU EMACS
[10:09] <Razor-X> then, emacs21-nox
[10:09] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, me too
[10:09] <Razor-X> ;) good
[10:09] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, i use ERC
[10:09] <breezy1patched-n> shoutmaya, well i don't blame you one bit
[10:09] <Razor-X> same here
[10:09] <shoutmaya> breezy1patched-n, :-)
[10:09] <Razor-X> EMMS is a tad bit underfeatured though...
[10:09] <Razor-X> w3m is kickarse ;)
[10:09] <Jowi> othernoob, numlock is another issue. Me and some friends are using non-standard keyboards without a num-pad (they are getting more and more common) and that use numlock to activate num-keys on top of normal keys. would be really hard to type in anything during installation with it enabled. at least for me :-)
[10:09] <shoutmaya> bad?
[10:10] <shoutmaya> tad -> bad?
[10:10] <shoutmaya> :-)
[10:10] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: never heard tad?
[10:10] <Razor-X> tad == little
[10:10] <shoutmaya> breezy1patched-n, ah.. :-)
[10:10] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah.. sorry i'm not good at english :-)
[10:10] <Razor-X> ahhh, I see
[10:10] <shoutmaya> i use EMMS too :-)
[10:10] <othernoob> Jowi: well yes ;) but you're not average joe with a standard pc from some computer store now are you?
[10:10] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: how do you pause your music? ;)
[10:10] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, huk;
[10:11] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, i don't know...
[10:11] <Razor-X> ;)
[10:11] <[Boomba] > Hey guys. Back again. When I restarted, I saw F9 for Express Recovery, F5 for something, which did nothing, and DEL for setup. Nothing good though... any other ways to get it to boot properly?
[10:11] <Jowi> othernoob, that i am not. hmmmm... maybe i need a DELL ;-)
[10:11] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, M-x emms-stop --> completely stop
[10:11] <shoutmaya> may emms use mpg123 and ogg123
[10:11] <Razor-X> if I know i'm not about to get interrupted, I use emms, elsewise I just use cplay
[10:11] <gyaresu> Boomba, you wanted DEL
[10:11] <[Boomba] > ahh
[10:11] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah, yes..
[10:11] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: or M-x emms-pbi RET
[10:11] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, play list :-)
[10:11] <Razor-X> and then scroll to a choice, and hit 's'
[10:11] <gyaresu> Boomba, Then 'boot options' or similar
[10:11] <[Boomba] > thanks, gyaresu :)
[10:11] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, yes i know :-)
[10:12] <Razor-X> or anywhere, and hit s
[10:12] <Razor-X> yeah yeah, heh
[10:12] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, anywhere hit s?
[10:12] <Razor-X> yeah, anywhere
[10:12] <[Boomba] > ok, ill try that gyaresu. thanks
[10:12] <Jowi> Boomba, DEL for setup. that's it!
[10:12] <Razor-X> anywhere in emms-pbi
[10:12] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, in emms-pbi
[10:12] <shoutmaya> haha yeah
[10:12] <gyaresu> Boomba, see you soon
[10:12] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, what's your major using of emacs?
[10:12] <[Boomba] > seeya gyaresu ;)
[10:12] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: everything ;)
[10:13] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, haha.. Do you Programming?
[10:13] <Razor-X> ohh, ahhh
[10:13] <Gourami> can anyone recommend a better application than X-Chat ??
[10:13] <Razor-X> used to program, haven't in a while
[10:13] <Seveas> Gourami, irssi perhaps
[10:13] <Seveas> or IRC in gaim
[10:13] <Razor-X> emacs is useful for LaTeX, and everything else I do in text
[10:13] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah.. yes.. :-)
[10:13] <Seveas> it all depends on what you call 'better'
[10:13] <visor> anybody have been having problems with totem cpu-ussage?
[10:13] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, yeah that's right! haha
[10:13] <othernoob> Burgundavia: i'm not saying that ubuntu is a bad distro, i'm just saying it's not really doing anything bodacious that other distros haven't done before. lycoris for example. but ubuntu does have powerful marketing. and could you tell me which other distro had free cd shipping before? a major factor in its popularity i'd say
[10:13] <OculusAquilae> Gourami: I think X-Chat is very good, under KDE i would use konversation
[10:14] <Jowi> Gourami, doesn't firefox got a irc plugin as well?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> othernoob, there is strong focus on free usablity, which other distros don't have
[10:14] <OculusAquilae> Jowi: yes i think firefox has a irc plugin
[10:14] <Seveas> othernoob, well, a complete, stable and up-to-date desktop is a feature I never saw before :)
[10:14] <othernoob> Burgundavia: define free usability
[10:14] <Burgundavia> othernoob, lycoris and linspire are all non-free
[10:14] <visor> it takes 50% of cpu on my machine
[10:14] <visor> :S
[10:14] <Jowi> OculusAquilae, thought i saw it somewhere, yes. no idea if it is any good though....
[10:14] <Burgundavia> othernoob, usability without being non-free
[10:14] <emo> Hi . I wanna ask a question concerned about a Canon Printer  which I can not install on my Ubuntu Distribution. The Priter is brand new and is multyfunctional(Its enhanced with a scanner) The model of the prinetr is MF5630. I didn't find any drivers for this printer on canon official web site, and i really need to use linux...I have a CD comming with the printer but there are only Windows driver instalations:( I REALLY NED YOUR HELP
[10:15] <Gourami> X-chat really doesnt perform to the equivelant of MIRC, unable to tile windows, channel listing looks terrible etc
[10:15] <gyaresu> emo, http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[10:16] <gyaresu> emo, to start with...
[10:16] <visor> or really, nobody uses totem-gstreamer?
[10:16] <othernoob> Seveas: where's the ubuntu 2.6.12 kernel?
[10:16] <Seveas> othernoob, in Breezy
[10:16] <Seveas> that hoary does not have it is stability
[10:17] <othernoob> Seveas: so it's not quite uptodate or is it?
[10:17] <gyaresu> othernoob, why do you need it.
[10:17] <Seveas> 2.6.10 IS up to date
[10:17] <othernoob> gyaresu: i don't need it. it was a question of whether ubuntu is uptodate or not
[10:17] <brz> visor, i've never, ever been able to get totem-gstreamer working... so.... can't vouch for it
[10:17] <Razor-X> back
[10:17] <gyaresu> othernoob, ah.
[10:17] <othernoob> Seveas: 2.6.10 isn't the latest though
[10:17] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: I'm hoping I can teach my sister emacs starting from 6 ;)
[10:17] <Jowi> visor, i use totem-xine (not totem-gstreamer) it is not a big cpu hog for me. I'm on a 1Ghz machine
[10:17] <Seveas> othernoob, up to date is not equivalent to latest....
[10:17] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, huk, Sister? haha
[10:18] <othernoob> Seveas: define the difference
[10:18] <ivan_> hi does anybody use bittorrent in ubuntu?
[10:18] <guerrero> othernoob there is a tradeoff between 'latest' bleeding edge and tried and true...hoary lags a little, but maybe that's for the best stability wise
[10:18] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, She can computer well?
[10:18] <Seveas> othernoob, always having the latest is bleeding edge
[10:18] <kush> hi  to all!!! is this the only one channel about ubuntu on freenode or there is someone else?
[10:18] <Jowi> visor, i can watch DVD's and it takes about 50% of my CPU
[10:18] <Seveas> up to date means recent
[10:18] <Seveas> and 2.6.10 is recent...
[10:18] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: she's almost 2 ;)
[10:18] <othernoob> guerrero: if you argument like that, Debian/stable should rather be the choice of the masses ;)
[10:18] <emo> nope...in this site, there is no LaserBase MF5630 driver:( there are many other drivers that comes with my distribution also, but none of them seems to work!!!!I tried using about 5 kinds of drivers so i can start the printer functionality at least, but no effect...
[10:18] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah~~~ very young
[10:18] <Burgundavia> visor, totem-gstreamer is mostly unusable, unfortnately
[10:18] <Razor-X> but, with me as her brother, she'll grow up never learning Windows
[10:19] <visor> the odd thing is that my laptop plays all fine, but in this machine that has apm and not acpi it seems to take 50% of cpu usage which is kinda annonying
[10:19] <charles> can someone show me how to make a symbolic link
[10:19] <guerrero> othernoob...trade off...its a continuum...
[10:19] <othernoob> Seveas: but what is the difference between latest and uptodate
[10:19] <visor> i have found that many apps have problems with machines without acpi, must be a kernel thing
[10:19] <Jowi> kush, there are ubuntu channels for different languages
[10:19] <ivan_> charles: ln -s
[10:19] <brz> ln -s originalfile newfakethingy
[10:19] <charles> ivan_, thanks
[10:19] <Seveas> othernoob, the fact that up to date does not neccesarily mean latest is the difference...
[10:19] <emo> gyaresu, nope...in this site, there is no LaserBase MF5630 driver:( there are many other drivers that comes with my distribution also, but none of them seems to work!!!!I tried using about 5 kinds of drivers so i can start the printer functionality at least, but no effect...
[10:19] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, my emms paused by s , and how to re start?
[10:19] <guerrero> its ultimately an arbitrary decision...but debian/stable is a little too tried and true and not 'up to date' enough
[10:20] <othernoob> Seveas: actually, just considering the english language, latest and up-to-date are synonyms
[10:20] <visor> ohh and rhythmbox crashes when loading the files hehe
[10:20] <Jowi> visor, then maybe X uses vesa driver or something not hardware accelerated on that PC
[10:20] <gyaresu> emo, then i can only recommend google
[10:20] <ivan_> when bittorrent ask for a metal file on start up, where to look for such file?
[10:20] <visor> i think i better get used to xine, gstreamer seems to suck still
[10:20] <Seveas> othernoob, not when you talk about these matters...
[10:20] <kush> i have a question guys.... if i try to install the last mono packages i have seg fault on all mono apps... any hint?
[10:20] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah, s -> stop not pause :-)
[10:20] <Seveas> kush, yeah, you will probably need to recompile these applications...
[10:20] <breezy1patched-n> Gourami, well like i said before...take your fancy and expensive mirc and shove it .....everybody here are bottom-feeders and we just like it free whether it works or not...and in many cases where it does not work...we say it works good enough
[10:21] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: s is stop
[10:21] <visor> Jowi: i have a GeForce fx 5200 with the proper drivers, but yet i have these problems
[10:21] <Razor-X> just hit 'p', IIRC
[10:21] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, yes..
[10:21] <guerrero> othernoob, without resorting to splitting hairs about the meanings of the words, I think you can see the argument
[10:21] <othernoob> Seveas: i'd accept that if i had used "the most recent" instead of latest..
[10:21] <Seveas> breezy1patched-n.....
[10:21] <Razor-X> breezy1patched-n: mIRC works?
[10:21] <Jowi> visor, that is wierd. type: glxinfo and have a look
[10:21] <charles> umm for some reason i dont have permission in my /home folder
[10:21] <charles> would it be bad to change that
[10:21] <Seveas> othernoob, these two are synonyms
[10:21] <Razor-X> news to my ears, sure o that
[10:21] <visor> Jowi: 1400 fps
[10:21] <breezy1patched-n> Razor-X, i don't care how good mirc works...it costs money!
[10:21] <Razor-X> breezy1patched-n: so?
[10:22] <Razor-X> money is not that much of a detractor to me
[10:22] <Razor-X> I'm an Opera user, damn proud
[10:22] <othernoob> Seveas: i know ;)
[10:22] <Seveas> breezy1patched-n, please keep it friendly in here...
[10:22] <guerrero> othernoob, your point is taken though...what criterion would you use to decide when a kernel version is 'stable' and tried enough to be put in a distro with the goals of ubuntu
[10:22] <Jowi> visor, that would do for playing a Batman trailer ;-)
[10:22] <Razor-X> the world of Linux is not free beer, it's free speech
[10:22] <emo> gyaresu, i tried searching the google for drivers but no results.....I have another idea....I can use a virtual machine instead, but would you tell me weather the VMware will do the trick????I need a virtual machine which is linux compatible, but i can't find one anywhere.....qemu dont do what I need, and what i need is a virtual machine which works exactly the way Virtual PC for Windows works....
[10:22] <Razor-X> understand that
[10:22] <Seveas> guerrero, for instance hotplug working is essential :)
[10:22] <visor> Jowi: i tell you, its wierd, because i never had problems with ubuntu, only on this machine, performance is really bad, and i havent installed anything else that doesnt come with the CD
[10:22] <shoutmaya> not free beer!
[10:22] <guerrero> seveas, agreed
[10:22] <shoutmaya> free as freedom? :-)
[10:22] <othernoob> guerrero: when it's considered stable at kernel.org
[10:22] <breezy1patched-n> Razor-X, you try to understand that unrestricted distribution always leads to excess supply and zero price....free speech IS free beer.
[10:22] <Razor-X> yes, free as in freedom == free as in speech
[10:22] <Seveas> othernoob, bull.
[10:22] <charles> should i have permissions in my home folder?
[10:23] <gyaresu> emo, (i'm on the phone...i'll think)
[10:23] <Seveas> the kernel is only part of the system
[10:23] <othernoob> Seveas: the kernel is the system
[10:23] <overture> charles, what do you mean?
[10:23] <guerrero> othernoob, but stable with respect to all the components that are supported by ubuntu...or your distro of choice
[10:23] <Seveas> the cooperation between kernel and the rest must be stable
[10:23] <Razor-X> breezy1patched-n: and the fact that, without compensation for utilities, eventually, utilities aren't developed
[10:23] <othernoob> Seveas: the rest around are just programs
[10:23] <Seveas> and for 2.6.12 that is not yet the case
[10:23] <emo> gyaresu, sure ... i willl wait
[10:23] <ShamblyHermit> ubuntu doesn't like my laptop's 3Com network card.
[10:23] <charles> overture, my /home/ is owned by root
[10:23] <Razor-X> we all need food, even the GNU software developers
[10:23] <charles> overture, i cant create folders and whatnor
[10:23] <overture> charles, all folders have permissions, but i assume you mean something else?
[10:23] <visor> i dont mean to be disrespectful to ubuntu developers but why they package so many things broken (like g-streamer deppendent apps)?
[10:23] <Razor-X> free is not god, i'm not a communist
[10:23] <breezy1patched-n> Razor-X, again...we are bottom-feeders...we don't care...we say it works "GOOD ENOUGH"
[10:23] <overture> ah
[10:23] <charles> overture, i mean my home is owned by root
[10:23] <charles> overture, im asking if this is normal
[10:24] <Seveas> othernoob, get some clue....
[10:24] <pinko> charles: that's bad.
[10:24] <peterretief> open is not free
[10:24] <overture> you mean /home or /home/charles (or whatever it is)
[10:24] <Seveas> without stable interaction to userland, a 'stable' kernel is useless
[10:24] <breezy1patched-n> peterretief, no open is not free at all...and is a serious trap
[10:24] <charles> pinko, i didnt change any permissions
[10:24] <Jowi> visor, maybe it is your soundcard that is causing troubles. gconf-editor, check system->gstreamer->0.8->default. audiosink. you can try change it to "alsasink device=hw:0"
[10:24] <charles> overture, yeah its the /home/charles
[10:24] <othernoob> Seveas: i do have some clue. but let me ask you this. why is there a 2.6.11 kernel for ubuntu?
[10:24] <overture> you should be the owner of /home/charles
[10:24] <guerrero> anyway...othernoob, you can probably imagine the kind of reasoning and arithmetic that goes into deciding whether or not ubuntu hoary will have kernel version X.Y.Z even if its not the latest
[10:24] <Seveas> othernoob, that was a test build
[10:24] <peterretief> open is common to most sciences
[10:24] <Seveas> othernoob, massively unstable
[10:24] <overture> usually /home is owned by root, group staff
[10:25] <Seveas> breezy1patched-n: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[10:25] <pinko> charles: this reminds me of a recent supreme court ruling
[10:25] <Razor-X> breezy1patched-n: then stick with nano, for all I care
[10:25] <othernoob> Seveas: what's it in the repos for though?
[10:25] <kush> anyone knows how to solve the mono apps seg fault with latest mono packages? (fetched from backports apt resource)
[10:25] <Razor-X> when you say we, remember not to include me
[10:25] <guerrero> othernoob, to confuse me!
[10:25] <guerrero> :-)
[10:25] <Razor-X> I care if my product works, whether I paid money or not
[10:25] <Seveas> othernoob, ENOIDEA, i'd rather see it gone from there
[10:25] <visor> Jowi: yeah it could be, im going to check, the complain about gstreamer is that many users cant do anything with related apps, no dvd support, hard to find plugins, those kind of issues
[10:25] <breezy1patched-n> Seveas, i am trying to...but some people fail to understand that free speech=free beer and also Open Source has nothing in common with Free Software
[10:25] <charles> overture, well the last ownership command i did was chown on a ./usr folder but it was a bad install it wasnt the real /usr folder
[10:25] <Seveas> breezy1patched-n, this is not a channel for religious debates
[10:25] <overture> hrm
[10:26] <othernoob> Seveas: so would I, but see, why can't 2.6.12 be there? even if it's not stable in ubuntu?
[10:26] <charles> overture, i extracted it in my home folder by mistake so i changed ownership to delete it
[10:26] <Seveas> othernoob, because it (the package) came out after ubuntu was released
[10:26] <overture> well, you can chmod -R charles:charles /home/charles if need be
[10:26] <Razor-X> there's a huge reason the GNU license allows you to charge money for their products, we aren't all bottom-feeder, you know
[10:26] <shoutmaya> FSF != Open source in perfect
[10:26] <charles> overture, ok i was just scared that it would mess something up somehow
[10:26] <Jowi> visor, i agree. there is some tinkering to be done to get things to work ok. there are legal issues to consider though that are not cleared up yet. i heard that Fedora has removed MP3 support as well.
[10:26] <charles> overture, i have done some stupid stuff with permissions b4
[10:26] <Mafi> why do I get "bad data from traker" with gnome bittorrent?
[10:26] <Seveas> and after the hoary release the hoary repos are not updated (only -security and -updates but these are on different locations)
[10:26] <overture> charles, hehe
[10:26] <othernoob> Seveas: but is that a reason? firefox 1.04 came out after ubuntu was released as well..
[10:27] <breezy1patched-n> Seveas, well...religion aside....the open source creeps are trying to ride on the coattails of the free software programmers...and should be kicked off.
[10:27] <shoutmaya> See the documentary "Revolution OS" !!
[10:27] <overture> ^^ awesome
[10:27] <Razor-X> breezy1patched-n: isn't that a form of... religion?
[10:27] <Seveas> othernoob, only the security fixes have been backported
[10:27] <othernoob> Seveas: but wouldn't you consider a new kernel an update?
[10:27] <Seveas> breezy1patched-n, for the last time, read the coc
[10:27] <Seveas> othernoob, yes, but no security update
[10:27] <Burgundavia> othernoob, yes, but the chances for much breakage are too much
[10:27] <Razor-X> this isn't #ubuntu-dogma, this is #ubuntu
[10:27] <Mafi> please help me with gnome bittorrent
[10:27] <Seveas> othernoob, and new features are not implemented in a stable release
[10:28] <overture> EVERYONE GOTO THE DOGMAN CHANNEL!!!!
[10:28] <othernoob> Burgundavia: so? Breezy can be obtained :p
[10:28] <Mafi> I get bad data from tracker every time
[10:28] <visor> Jowi: basically what i think we users should do is to encourage people to use open formats, that way we will have less problems than we do already, its hard to suport things like mp3, dvd, samba, msword etc.
[10:28] <Razor-X> overture: ............
[10:28] <charles> overture, btw dont u mean chown -R charles /home/charles?
[10:28] <Burgundavia> othernoob, in the stable is what I meant
[10:28] <charles> overture, chmod is different
[10:28] <overture> charles, good point
[10:28] <porcubuntu> What app do you use to find out how much physical RAM you have installed?
[10:28] <charles> overture, yeah i cant see my folder now
[10:28] <Seveas> porcubuntu, cat /proc/meminfo
[10:28] <overture> *notices its 3:28am*
[10:29] <porcubuntu> ta!
[10:29] <othernoob> Seveas: do you work for ubuntu?
[10:29] <visor> well, nice, totem-xine only takes 8% of cpu
[10:29] <Razor-X> ok, now if you people will excuse me, i'm off to enjoy some manga, and turn in for the night
[10:29] <Mafi> again same error
[10:29] <shoutmaya> Political things Not important!  I would much like to see OGG becoming standard in "mp3"-players as well. Have a Samsung player that supports it (all qualities). Samba was a breeze to set up though.
[10:30] <charles> overture, i have no idea it wont let me into my home folder now
[10:30] <guerrero> othernoob, "do you work for ubuntu"
[10:30] <Jowi> visor, yeah. totem-xine is so much better
[10:30] <pinko> charles: it almost sounds as though you yourself are not charles
[10:30] <Razor-X> uggghhhh
[10:30] <guerrero> othernoob, ubuntu is an open source distro
[10:30] <othernoob> guerrero: ah okay, yes
[10:30] <Razor-X> wget needs wildcard support in HTML
[10:30] <Seveas> guerrero, not only canonical employees work for ubuntu...
[10:31] <guerrero> exactly
[10:31] <overture> charles, go with pinko's idea and do a whoami for shits and giggles?
[10:31] <guerrero> that's my point
[10:31] <othernoob> guerrero: eh..i know that. disregard my nick
[10:31] <charles> lol this is retarted
[10:31] <guerrero> anyone who contributes to linux and oss works for ubuntu :-)
[10:31] <charles> im charles
[10:31] <charles> god dammit
[10:31] <shoutmaya> ooooooooo.
[10:31] <Razor-X> can you specify something like a wget series?
[10:31] <Seveas> guerby, nice :)
[10:31] <overture> weird
[10:31] <Razor-X> because this art pissing me off
[10:31] <Seveas> guerrero*
[10:31] <charles> overture, its because of ur command
[10:31] <Seveas> Razor-X, sure
[10:31] <Seveas> put all urls in a file