[12:03] <_david> Is there something way I can turn off logging?
[12:03] <Aapzak> I'm a reiser user, it's faster with smaller files they say, not that I notice that
[12:03] <bobbyd> _david: the real thing is that some filesystems journal and some don't. Journalling means that it keep track of what it was doing os if it gets interrupted it can recover
[12:03] <Hobart> _david -> I believe Linux itself will use caching, regardles of filesystem
[12:03] <Hobart> _david -> "turn off logging"?  Well, you can convert your ext3 down to ext2.  But then you're likely going to loose some files if you accidentally power off.
[12:03] <_david> Well, this is a seperate question - unrealted to file system
[12:03] <Aapzak> he means logging in /var/log/
[12:04] <Aapzak> I geuss
[12:04] <Hobart> ah
[12:04] <_david> Sorry :-P
[12:04] <Aapzak> lets count my /var/log ....
[12:04] <_david> I want to access the HDD as little as possible
[12:04] <_dr> chmod -r 400 /var/log.. ;-)
[12:05] <DaSkreech> _david: shut off syslog
[12:05] <_david> How do I do that?
[12:05] <Aapzak> 165Mb in lots of days, no worries
[12:05] <icewt> anyone else having problems with entering in admistravite in various System Settings -thingies?
[12:05] <Aapzak> MB
[12:05] <_david> No, it's not an issue of capacity, I would like to try and extend the life of my drive as mucha s possible
[12:06] <Aapzak> allright, unplug them and run the livecd :)
[12:06] <_david> and amazingly enough, I see my HDD lights flashing more during normal use than when I run WinXP
[12:06] <icewt> err.. i mean entering in "Administrator Mode..." for example in System Settings -> Login Manager ?
[12:06] <_david> Is there a way to turn of logging ?
[12:07] <Aapzak> _david: sure there is, maybe just bringing down syslogd will do the trick, or configure it to log almost nothing
[12:07] <icewt> when i press the "Administrator Mode.." and enter my password, it waits for a while and then.. nothing. i'm still in normal user mode :/
[12:07] <_david> Sorry - I'm a linux newbie
[12:07] <_david> How do I configure it?
[12:08] <apokryphos> icewt: alt+f2 -> kdesu kcontrol
[12:08] <_dr> -> david: edit the /etc/syslog.conf file
[12:08] <Aapzak> _david: I never configured syslogd, but I've seen someone do it. The config file is probably in /etc/syslog.conf
[12:08] <ku_dude> anybody know what library is needed to let amarok play mp3 files?
[12:08] <_david> Okay, thanks let me take a look
[12:10] <apokryphos> ku_dude: check the kubuntu.org FAQ
[12:10] <ku_dude> cool. thanks.
[12:10] <Aapzak> _david: I'm running Gentoo, and don't have that /etc/syslog.conf. I'm not sure how its done in Kubuntu
[12:11] <_dr> you could try to shut down the syslog service by typing sudo /etc/init.d/sysklog stop.. but i don't guarantee for ANYTHING.. ;-)
[12:11] <_david> I found it
[12:11] <_david> Do I just comment it out?
[12:11] <Aapzak> what kind of entries do you have?
[12:11] <Aapzak> something.somthing        /var/log/messages?
[12:11] <Aapzak> and stuff like that?
[12:11] <DaSkreech> _dr: He'd need to stop it from starting the next time he reboots
[12:11] <_david> Yeah
[12:12] <icewt> apokryphos, ah, that works. thanks. i wonder though why it doesn't work through the "Administrator Mode.."-button. is this a known problem or am i alone with this?
[12:12] <apokryphos> long-time known bug
[12:12] <Aapzak> is it something.*
[12:12] <Aapzak> ?
[12:12] <_david> YEah
[12:12] <apokryphos> and of the most annoying kind ;-)
[12:12] <icewt> apokryphos, ok. "good" ;)
[12:12] <crimsun> _david: you could just enable laptop mode
[12:12] <_dr> ok.. then sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S10sysklogd
[12:12] <Aapzak> crimsun: what are we getting now? :)     Tell us more!
[12:13] <Aapzak> no need to configure the syslogd ?
[12:13] <_david> Alright well I need to run off for a date - I will try this later! Thank you so much for all of your help!
[12:13] <Aapzak> stop!
[12:13] <DaSkreech> We expect money!! :)
[12:13] <Aapzak> something.no    will stop logging
[12:13] <DaSkreech> Or a pizza
[12:13] <Aapzak> I believe
[12:13] <crimsun> Aapzak: look at /etc/default/acpi-support
[12:13] <_david> Okay
[12:14] <_david> I decided I won't mess around with it for now
[12:14] <Aapzak> man syslog or man syslogd
[12:14] <Aapzak> good luck
[12:14] <_david> I'll get over the flashes
[12:14] <Aapzak> :)
[12:14] <Aapzak> crimsun: I don't have kubuntu, was just trying to help david
[12:15] <Aapzak> but thats interesting stuff anyway
[12:15] <Aapzak> change logging depending on AC power or not and stuff like that?
[12:16] <bobbyd> where is kcalc in breezy? is it deprecated?
[12:16] <_dr> and what does "laptop-mode" do?
[12:17] <bobbyd> speedcrunch seems worse
[12:17] <kkathman> ok I know Im goin out of my mind...whats that apt- command that looks for a particular package in the sources? It has just escaped my memory :(
[12:17] <crimsun> kkathman: apt-cache search foo
[12:17] <Aapzak> apt-cache search ?
[12:17] <kkathman> yah thats its...thankx...
[12:17] <Aapzak> de nada
[12:17] <kkathman> dang Im gettin old
[12:17] <Aapzak> :)
[12:17] <crimsun> _dr: see the scripts
[12:18] <apokryphos> bobbyd: no, it's just part of kdeutils pack
[12:18] <DaSkreech> apt-get install ut2007
[12:18] <apokryphos> bobbyd: which isn't installed by default afaik
[12:18] <kkathman> I tell ya, the mind is going but at least other things are still alive :)
[12:18] <Aapzak> I love cache search BTW, it's so fast and searches so well
[12:18] <Aapzak> :)
[12:18] <Aapzak> ol' dirty b
[12:18] <Aapzak> :)
[12:19] <Aapzak> DaSkreech: I wish for a apt-get install counterstrike-source
[12:19] <Aapzak> I think you will be served sooner
[12:19] <DaSkreech> I wish I could apt-get install happypenguin_links
[12:20] <Aapzak> dunno that
[12:20] <kkathman> lol
[12:20] <Aapzak> look at the time
[12:20] <kkathman> anyone tried out the new Koffice suite?
[12:20] <Aapzak> I enjoy hanging around with you Kubuntu people, but I gtg
[12:20] <DaSkreech> Aapzak: Bye
[12:21] <kkathman> come back soon Aapzak :)
[12:21] <Aapzak> cu around room!    I will kkathman
[12:21] <kaworu> ng around with you Kubuntu people, but I gtg
 Aapzak: Bye
 come back soon Aapza
[12:21] <icewt> whoa, i must say kde feels like heaven after using gnome for many years :)
[12:21] <kaworu> ops
[12:21] <kkathman> lol kaworu :)
[12:22] <kkathman> and icewt
[12:26] <DaSkreech> icewt: they are getting some of "that vision stuff" so watch out :-)
[12:27] <icewt> DaSkreech, :)
[12:30] <kkathman> so on the breezy-release page I read about this Katapult feature with Alt-Space...anyone got that to work?
[12:31] <icewt> hm.. i guess KDE4 won't make it in the next version of kubuntu then(?)
[12:31] <Phobos> kkathman: it's pretty cool, but I can't get it to recognize any packages installed after the initial installation.
[12:31] <DaSkreech> I'm still waiting for the sexed up packages mindmap
[12:32] <DaSkreech> Knowing KDE I hope KDE 3.5 makes it into the next Kubuntu
[12:33] <Phobos> DaSkreech: I should be KDE 3.5 is set to come out Nov 23
[12:33] <Phobos> it... I mean
[12:34] <DaSkreech> I know but KDE has a very loose respect for deadlines
[12:34] <DaSkreech> If something really really Kool Komes along the deadline gets ciced bacc :-)
[12:34] <DaSkreech> Wait
[12:34] <DaSkreech> that should be bakc
[12:35] <Phobos> is anybody else getting GPG errors when updating?
[12:35] <DaSkreech> and cikced now that I thinc about it
[12:35] <DaSkreech> I was last week then my net died
[12:35] <kkathman> Phobos: you mean Koffice?
[12:35] <DaSkreech> Phobos: I was getting it on all security updates
[12:35] <Phobos> kkathman: no, katapult.
[12:35] <kkathman> Phobos: Ohh you mean the Alt-Spacebar thingy...yah it doesnt seem to do much here either
[12:36] <kkathman> I thought it was supposed to popup a dialog...it doesnt
[12:36] <Phobos> It is supposed to, do you have it running?
[12:36] <kkathman> Phobos: do you have to "start it" ??
[12:36] <Phobos> kkathman: the first time you do, then your KDE session should handle it after that.
[12:37] <kkathman> hmm where do you start it from?
[12:37] <Phobos> alt-f2, then type katapult
[12:37] <kkathman> ahh ok
[12:39] <kkathman> hmm ok that works fine now...thanks
[12:39] <Phobos> kkathman: np
[12:39] <DaSkreech> Phobos: Whats katapult?
[12:39] <Phobos> DaSkreech: a file launcher. It's like QuickSilver for OS X
[12:39] <apokryphos> !katapult
[12:39] <ubotu> well, katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[12:40] <kkathman> kind of a bit goofy isnt it :) LOL
[12:40] <DaSkreech> Thats the instasearch thingy
[12:40] <icewt> should i use nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy for Geforce4 ?
[12:40] <crimsun> the former
[12:40] <kkathman> lol seems kind of a graphical alt-f2 :)
[12:40] <DaSkreech> whats the diff between that and alt+f2?
[12:40] <Phobos> I'm using nvidia-glx with my Geforce4.
[12:40] <icewt> crimsun: thanks
[12:40] <Phobos> it has auto complete
[12:40] <kkathman> DaSkreech: katapult will take what you start with
[12:41] <DaSkreech> Alt+F2 does that
[12:42] <Phobos> yeah, only if you've alt+f2'd it before
[12:42] <DaSkreech> ah
[12:43] <DaSkreech> Guess I'm a creature of habit
[12:43] <_justin> IS there anyone who could send me the install file of wine for kubuntu, the link seems to be down
[12:46] <Phobos> _justin: what do you mean down?
[12:48] <_justin> I cant find it anywhere else, the Ubuntu download for wine doesnt come up
[12:48] <_justin> i am new to linux to..
[12:48] <_justin> I don't understand theinstall process of kubuntu
[12:49] <Lupin__III> hi
[12:49] <crimsun> _justin: open Adept and search for WINE, and install it
[12:50] <_justin> the package manager?
[12:50] <Phobos> _justin: yeah
[12:51] <Lupin__III> _justin:  you can simply type in console:
[12:51] <Lupin__III> sudo apt-get install wine
[12:51] <_nicolas> Hi. I have a problem with ipodslave. When I type ipod:/ it says it has a problem to load kio_ipodslave
[12:51] <kkathman> Im not particularly wild about wine
[12:51] <kkathman> unless its to play games I suppose
[12:51] <_justin> thats what its for
[12:51] <kkathman> hopefully it will work for you
[12:51] <kkathman> it doesnt always
[12:52] <icewt> hm.. i can only get 60Hz refresh rate (in 1600x1200) with the binary nvidia drivers while should get (and got with hoary) 75Hz :/
[12:52] <DaSkreech> can amarok handle iPods?
[12:52] <_justin> i only have kynaptic
[12:52] <_justin> and theres no search feature
[12:52] <Phobos> DaSkreech: It can, under the media devices tab
[12:52] <_nicolas> DaSkreech: In theory with ipodslave but I just asked about it as I have problems
[12:52] <Lupin__III> _justin: sudo apt-get install wine
[12:53] <Lupin__III> in a terminal
[12:53] <kkathman> icewt: I have 75Hz on my 1280x1024
[12:53] <kkathman> and I use nVidia
[12:53] <_justin> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:54] <kkathman> _justin: be sure to run with sudo
[12:54] <Lupin__III> _justin: close aptitude first
[12:54] <icewt> kkathman, yeah, if i only knew what's wrong with this..
[12:54] <_justin> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[12:54] <Lupin__III> _justin: try:
[12:55] <Lupin__III> sudo apt-cache search wine
[12:55] <crimsun> you need to enable universe
[12:55] <crimsun> !tell _justin about repos
[12:55] <Lupin__III> and check your source.list
[12:55] <Lupin__III> you need to enable universe repository
[12:56] <_justin> Is enabling universe in the description you sent me crimsun?
[12:56] <Pixels-> apokryphos: you still here
[12:56] <kkathman> hmm this is odd
[12:56] <kkathman> koffice wont run :(
[12:56] <apokryphos> Pixels-: nope
[12:56] <apokryphos> kkathman: how come?
[12:56] <kkathman> guess its not quite ready
[12:56] <apokryphos> what's the error?
[12:57] <Pixels-> hey i checked the output in /var/log/messages
[12:57] <kkathman> apokryphos: dunno...it seemed to complete the install (lots of those
[12:57] <kkathman> previously deselected" messages
[12:57] <kkathman> but when I do a whereis koffice...comes back with nada
[12:57] <Pixels-> and at loadup mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice and nput: ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse on isa0060/serio1
[12:58] <kkathman> ah never mind
[12:58] <kkathman> it put it on the menu I see
[12:58] <Pixels-> nput = input
[12:58] <Lupin__III> _justin: do you know vi?
[12:58] <Pixels-> is that supposed to be like that?
[12:59] <Pixels-> its like 2 different mouse protcols
[12:59] <kkathman> is Kexi separate from Koffice?
[12:59] <_justin> no
[01:00] <_justin> theese instructions for enabling resposiotries are for kubuntu, and i don't have the things it tells me to open example: setting in my package manager
[01:00] <_justin> ubuntu*
[01:00] <_justin> i have kubuntu
[01:00] <apokryphos> kkathman: in kde, nope; in kubuntu -- yes
[01:01] <Lupin__III> _justin: it's the same.
[01:01] <Lupin__III> _justin: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:01] <kkathman> apokryphos: I did an apt-get install koffice and I dont see Kexi, so I assume I need to do it separately :)
[01:02] <Lupin__III> _justin: open /etc/apt/source.list, with your favourite editor (don't forget sudo)
[01:02] <_nicolas> kkathman: Right
[01:02] <kkathman> and yes, I didnt install kubuntu :)
[01:02] <kkathman> thanks
[01:02] <apokryphos> kkathman: what's even more weird is: alt+f2 -> khelpcenter -> kubuntu documents -> kubuntu release notes
[01:03] <apokryphos> see the note about kexi :D
[01:03] <Lupin__III> _justin:  the simplest thing is:
[01:03] <Lupin__III> open a terminal
[01:03] <_justin> k
[01:04] <Lupin__III> and type: sudo vi /etc/apt/source.list
[01:04] <_justin> k then what
[01:04] <_justin> that enabled respetories?
[01:04] <Lupin__III> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:05] <Lupin__III> it would looks like this
[01:05] <kkathman> apokryphos: not sure if that was toungue-in-cheek, but thanks anyway...thats very nice to know...maybe something for the topic?
[01:06] <_justin> when i toped in that last command, it now says shell, and it says sudo vi /etc/apt/source.list at the bottom and it is a blank screen looks like it created a new file.
[01:07] <Lupin__III> that's odd
[01:07] <Lupin__III> ok
[01:07] <Lupin__III> create it
[01:07] <_justin> did
[01:07] <apokryphos> kkathman: it was; found it funny
[01:07] <_justin> i think that command created it
[01:08] <kkathman> apokryphos: no prob, I stand embarassed...but you always find a way to help :)
[01:08] <Lupin__III> _justin: yes of course it did, paste in the code i've suggested in the link
[01:09] <Lupin__III> _justin: wait
[01:09] <Lupin__III> i mistiped the code
[01:10] <Lupin__III> is /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:10] <Lupin__III> not
[01:10] <Lupin__III> /etc/apt/source.list
[01:11] <Lupin__III> that explains why vi created a new file!
[01:11] <Lupin__III> sorry
[01:11] <_justin> sudo /etc/apt/source.list
[01:11] <_justin> np ty for help
[01:11] <_justin> so put that in terminal?
[01:11] <Lupin__III> sudo vi sudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:11] <Lupin__III> in a terminal
[01:12] <_justin> k
[01:12] <_justin> now paste the code?
[01:12] <_justin> it's still a blank file
[01:12] <_justin> so wouldn't i need the full code?
[01:13] <Lupin__III> yes, paste the code
[01:14] <_justin> starting in the link you gave me i copy what, step 2 or three of the link. under respositorys
[01:15] <Lupin__III> from: "Replace with the following lines"
[01:15] <_justin> k im going to copy the code under "replace with" into my empty source.list file?
[01:15] <Lupin__III> sources.list
[01:15] <Lupin__III> not
[01:16] <_justin> ya
[01:16] <Lupin__III> source.list
[01:16] <_justin> thats what i meant
[01:16] <Lupin__III> right
[01:16] <_justin> k it copied, it beeped and now says insert
[01:16] <Lupin__III> ok, now save and exit
[01:17] <_justin> wow never thought i'd ask this question: how do i save?
[01:17] <poimen> Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder <----------- someone here kwons if this works under ubuntu
[01:17] <_justin> lol..i feel like such a newbie on linux
[01:17] <apokryphos> _justin: bad idea to begin with vi IMO
[01:18] <poimen> I have been searching on google and I dont kwon if it works with ivtv or the c88 driver or if this not really work
[01:18] <apokryphos> _justin: you can always just alt+f2 -> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list   ..graphical editor for you
[01:18] <krawek> vim is the best
[01:18] <apokryphos> not for a new user; that'll just scare them away most probably
[01:18] <_justin> yep you guys lost me
[01:19] <_justin> Ok i'm in the terminal where i just pasted that code, does that mean universe is enabled if i save it?
[01:19] <_justin> settings -> save as default? should i do that
[01:23] <apokryphos> _justin: what are you trying to do again? Add extra repos?
[01:23] <daveg67> justin are you using 5.04 or 5.10
[01:23] <apokryphos> hoary
[01:23] <Lupin__III> that's why i asked if you're familiar with vi...
[01:23] <Lupin__III> so, let's do it step by step
[01:23] <Lupin__III> type esc and u
[01:23] <Lupin__III> u several times, 'till you have an empty file
[01:23] <Lupin__III> done?
[01:24] <_justin> at same time?
[01:24] <_justin> oh
[01:24] <_justin> for the source.list
[01:24] <_justin> uhm about that
[01:24] <_justin> it looks like it's not opening source.list
[01:25] <_justin> it says "Shell" at the top
[01:25] <daveg67> it is sources.list not source.list
[01:25] <_justin> ya thats what i typed
[01:26] <_justin> sudo vi sudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:26] <_justin> into terminal
[01:26] <Tallia1-KubuntU> HEY? do you suggest me to remove the previous .deb version of amarok before reinstalling from source or not?
[01:26] <Lupin__III> ok
[01:26] <Lupin__III> you have an empty file, right?
[01:26] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: often a good idea to just install in /usr/local
[01:26] <_justin> now it says "sudo" [New File"]  at the bottom
[01:26] <Pupeno> Hello.
[01:26] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos:
[01:26] <Tallia1-KubuntU> ?
[01:26] <Lupin__III> no
[01:26] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: what do you mean?
[01:26] <_justin> Justin@ubuntu: /home/justin - Shell - Konsole on the window title bar
[01:27] <Lupin__III> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:27] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: so ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
[01:27] <Lupin__III> ok let's make this way
[01:27] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: that way you can run newer versions of amarok without conflicting with your kubuntu packs
[01:27] <Tallia1-KubuntU> ahh.. and so i can change the target directory? (ALL files in the same place?)
[01:27] <Lupin__III> type esc, then :q!
[01:28] <toby> hello - i changed from a none-utf8 linux to ubuntu now if i open a text file i experience problems because they are iso-xxx - should i change the default encoding?
[01:28] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: it is like winzoz installation? "all" files in the same folder?
[01:28] <Lupin__III> and come back to the promt
[01:28] <poimen> how do I put a module to load in startup?
[01:28] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: eh? It's the exact opposite
[01:28] <_justin> wait i think i got it
[01:28] <_justin> can i pm u and paste the stuff it says
[01:28] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: can you explain to my how it functions?
[01:29] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: and what changes from ./configure that i always use and --prefix =***
[01:29] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: default install path is /usr ; installing to /usr/local/ means you can have another version of amarok there (which you could make a shortcut to)
[01:29] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: you should always specify the --prefix on a configure anyway
[01:29] <apokryphos> (you can end up installing to a totally different location in some cases)
[01:29] <Tallia1-KubuntU> for example i have a drive where i use to keep lots of big sized programs
[01:29] <_justin> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release amd64 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[01:30] <Tallia1-KubuntU> is there a way that all the files must be put there?
[01:30] <_justin> "/etc/apt/sources.list" 27L, 1375C        1,1           Top
[01:30] <Tallia1-KubuntU> so i can put all the builded programs in a place and all the packaged in the system default directory?
[01:30] <Lupin__III> _justin: type esc, then :q!
[01:31] <Lupin__III> this quit vi
[01:31] <Lupin__III> without save
[01:31] <krawek> quit without save
[01:31] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: so you wanna install all things to a different HD?
[01:31] <Lupin__III> _justin: done?
[01:31] <Tallia1-KubuntU> yep
[01:31] <_justin> k
[01:31] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: it's what i want to do
[01:32] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: not easily done, but you can just create symlinks if you like
[01:32] <Lupin__III> now you're at the prompt, right?
[01:32] <_justin> i quit without saving
[01:32] <DaSkreech> Lupin__III: Make him use nano
[01:32] <_justin> yes
[01:32] <Lupin__III> is what i wanted to do
[01:32] <apokryphos> or kate/kwrite -- even better
[01:32] <Lupin__III> now
[01:32] <Lupin__III> type
[01:32] <krawek> vim is the best
[01:32] <Pixels-> i finally got a mouse to work
[01:32] <Pixels-> had to find my old half working usb mouse
[01:32] <Pixels-> lol
[01:32] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: ? what do you mean ? i know that i can install programs and then put a symlink to the bin in the /usr/bin folder but how
[01:32] <Lupin__III> _justin:  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:33] <_justin> k
[01:33] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: i can tell to the builder to intall files in a proper position?
[01:33] <apokryphos> _justin: I really think you should use kate or kwrite, which are graphical editors
[01:33] <_justin> done
[01:33] <Lupin__III> it's an empty file?
[01:33] <apokryphos> _justin: you don't *need* to use CLI for this at all
[01:33] <_justin> no
[01:33] <_justin> its got stuff
[01:33] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: like ./configure destination="/media/appz/amarok" make make install
[01:33] <krawek> Tallia1-KubuntU: kde programs in kde-config --prefix
[01:33] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: is it possible?
[01:33] <Lupin__III> something like deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[01:33] <Lupin__III> ?
[01:33] <Pixels-> uhh.. i forgot how to set myself up in sudoers
[01:33] <Pixels-> lol
[01:34] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: well, not really -- because it will have failed depends (it will be looking for kde in the destination=
[01:34] <Tallia1-KubuntU> krawek: ? what do you mean
[01:34] <krawek> Tallia1-KubuntU: is a command, kde-config --prefix
[01:34] <Tallia1-KubuntU> krawek: and what does it do?
[01:34] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: but what you can do is find a really big folder on HD-X, copy it to HD-Y, then remove it on HD-X and just create a symbolic link to its location on HD-Y
[01:34] <_justin> That link is a index page
[01:34] <Lupin__III> oh
[01:35] <Pupeno> Is there a reliable way to configure my network ? including my wifi ?
[01:35] <Lupin__III> i mean something like "deb http://......"
[01:35] <Tallia1-KubuntU> mhh
[01:35] <Tallia1-KubuntU> i understand..
[01:35] <Lupin__III> not to check the link
[01:35] <Tallia1-KubuntU> like to move all the /usr folder to another partition..
[01:35] <_justin> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release amd64 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[01:36] <Tallia1-KubuntU> and to move the home folder?
[01:36] <Lupin__III> that's all?
[01:36] <krawek> when you build kde programs from source, you need configure the prefix to `kde-config --prefix`: ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`
[01:36] <_justin> no
[01:36] <Tallia1-KubuntU> how this could be done?
[01:36] <apokryphos> Pixels-: sudo adduser jimbob admin
[01:36] <_justin> but i dont want to paste in this channel
[01:36] <DaSkreech> Pixels-: You need to edit /etc/sudoers
[01:36] <_justin> can i pm it to you?
[01:36] <Tallia1-KubuntU> krawek: and what does it cause?
[01:36] <Pixels-> okay ty
[01:36] <apokryphos> krawek: yes, or you can of course choose `kde-config --prefix`/local
[01:36] <Lupin__III> yes, better
[01:37] <Tallia1-KubuntU> krawek: is the place where kde use to install its applications?
[01:37] <apokryphos> yes
[01:37] <Pupeno> maybe a text-mode tool that is more reliable that the graphical ones ?
[01:37] <krawek> bye
[01:37] <DaSkreech> Who's on dapper?
[01:37] <Tallia1-KubuntU> but this works only with kde programs right?
[01:38] <_justin> get it?
[01:38] <_justin> can any one read what i write, it looks like i got banned for that pm lupin
[01:38] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: considering the repo isn't even out yet...
[01:38] <apokryphos> _justin: you need to register your nick to PM on freenode
[01:38] <Pixels-> ty DaSkreech
[01:38] <Pixels-> its been awhile since i had to setup sudo lol
[01:38] <DaSkreech> Pixels-: Might want to make yourself nopasswd
[01:39] <apokryphos> or not....
[01:39] <Pixels-> ack, how do i do that?
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Pixels-: Man is your friend
[01:39] <Tallia1-KubuntU> krawek: so if i want to install amarok in a different position i have to write? ./configure -prefix="/media/appz"
[01:39] <apokryphos> Pixels-: see the /topic FAQ
[01:39] <Pixels-> i did, but my graphics are a bit blurry
[01:39] <Pixels-> and so nano is hard to read
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Pixels-: On second thought let it ride for a while :)
[01:39] <_justin> ok i see the ## stuff that i can replace so i will replace it
[01:39] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: but you cannot do that, as I said -- it will look for kde in /media/appz, and it will find it's not there so the configure will fail
[01:39] <_justin> then do i save as default?
[01:39] <Pixels-> i need to fix some stuff :)
[01:39] <Lupin__III> _justin: check this link. the sources.list must look like this
[01:40] <Lupin__III> http://ubuntuguide.org/sample/sources.list_extrarepositories
[01:40] <DaSkreech> Pixels-: Till you remember what will cause clouds of smoke and what wont
[01:40] <_justin> yes it does
[01:40] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: ah..
[01:40] <Pixels-> just used to play debian
[01:40] <Tallia1-KubuntU> so the only thing is to move the huge /usr/bin and symlink it
[01:40] <Pixels-> but i played on the wildside, unstable all the way :)
[01:40] <Tallia1-KubuntU> "/usr"
[01:40] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Man I want dapper :-( It's supposed to be the Vista vs
[01:40] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: you can, yes
[01:41] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: are you kiddin'? Breezy just came out
[01:41] <Lupin__III> the line with "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe" is commented?
[01:41] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: and the other thing is..... to change the home directory?
[01:41] <Lupin__III> if yes uncomment
[01:41] <Lupin__III> it
[01:41] <_justin> yes it has the # in front
[01:41] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: I normally always have a seperate partition for my /home
[01:41] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: And so the decay starts
[01:41] <Lupin__III> del #
[01:42] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: and wasting dear ubuntu's bandwidth, I'm sure
[01:42] <DaSkreech> plus a whole lotta stuff I was waiting for in breezy never came about
[01:42] <DaSkreech> About that
[01:42] <DaSkreech>  can synaptic be jiggered to use a torrent lilke protocol?
[01:42] <_justin> it wont let me edit it
[01:42] <DaSkreech> In general that would suck
[01:42] <DaSkreech> but for testing versions I think ti would be useful
[01:43] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: entirely reprogrammed; entirely different app
[01:43] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: by now it is in the same place
[01:43] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: but i have a partition free to move it
[01:43] <Lupin__III> _justin: delete all # before the lines that begin with deb http://....foo
[01:43] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: how i can do it?
[01:43] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Agreed. ut for testing versions only
[01:43] <Lupin__III> _justin: have you opened the file with the command:
[01:43] <_justin> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:44] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: ok, so what are we trying to do  -- symlink your /home to somewhere else?
[01:44] <Lupin__III> it's right
[01:44] <_justin> it says read 27 lines im wondering if my file is cut off
[01:44] <_justin> i see all the numbers
[01:44] <_justin> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[01:44] <_justin> ## team.
[01:45] <_justin> those are my last lines
[01:45] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: I recommend remounting the entire partition as /home itself, actually
[01:45] <_justin> then it says ^G get help
[01:45] <_justin> ^O WriteOut
[01:45] <_justin> ect..
[01:45] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: don't get it
[01:45] <apokryphos> _justin, Lupin__III: just changing sources.list can't be this hard
[01:45] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: no i want to move it
[01:45] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: not symlink
[01:45] <Tallia1-KubuntU> apokryphos: like you have
[01:45] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: symlink is moving its location
[01:45] <_justin> sry this is my first day on linux
[01:46] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: ok, then we'll be remounting the HD-Y as /home
[01:46] <_justin> i just want a windows emulator to play games on a 64 bit os :(
[01:46] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: might as well /msg me to give the others a bit of quiet =)
[01:46] <_justin> wait
[01:46] <_justin> I DID It
[01:46] <_justin> haha
[01:46] <_justin> how do i save
[01:46] <apokryphos> _justin: no, don't apologise -- there aren't proper docs for kubuntu's repo replacing =)
[01:46] <_justin> save as default or save session
[01:47] <apokryphos> i.e. not your fault at all
[01:47] <Lupin__III> ^O
[01:47] <_justin> that makes me feel a little smarter
[01:47] <_justin> :P
[01:47] <Tallia1-KubuntU> i can't send you since i'm not registered
[01:47] <apokryphos> Tallia1-KubuntU: /msg nickserv register PASSWORD
[01:47] <Lupin__III> now ^x
[01:47] <_justin> wait
[01:47] <_justin> how do i do that
[01:47] <jrjx> Justin: You want WINE, then?  Windows Emulator?
[01:47] <_justin> ?
[01:48] <_justin> i want to play counter-strike on kubuntu...
[01:48] <_justin> lol
[01:48] <_justin> so ^O (writeout) is save?
[01:48] <Lupin__III> yep
[01:48] <Pupeno> katapult is nice.
[01:49] <_justin> so i hold shift, push number 6, and then hit O?
[01:49] <jrjx> Justin: I don't know anything about Counter Strike per se, but "wine" is, like, the canonical MS Windows emulator software package for Unix/Linux.
[01:49] <_justin> yeah thats what i want
[01:49] <_justin> so i can emulate windows, so i can install windows software
[01:49] <Lupin__III> _justin: control + o
[01:49] <frank23> _justin: are you talking about counter-strike source?
[01:49] <jrjx> No, the ^ should mean the Control key (CTRL)
[01:49] <_justin> yes
[01:49] <_justin> k
[01:49] <jrjx> Justin: Well, check out, IIRC, www.winehq.org
[01:50] <_justin> wrote 27 lines
[01:50] <Pixels-> wow, adept is kinda cool
[01:50] <jrjx> There's also some commercial variants of WINE which may give you more success with Counter Strike.
[01:50] <frank23> _justin: I'm not sure if wine can run steam, but cedega is supposed to be able to do it
[01:50] <_justin> is cedega easier to install?
[01:50] <Pixels-> you can get cvscedega
[01:50] <Pixels-> its easy to install
[01:50] <Pixels-> just doesnt work all the best
[01:51] <Pixels-> best bet is to buy cedega
[01:51] <Lupin__III> _justin: now type: apt-get update
[01:51] <_justin> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[01:52] <_justin> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[01:52] <Lupin__III> sudo apt-get update
[01:52] <frank23> _justin: close adept
[01:52] <_justin> it's not open
[01:52] <apokryphos> needs sudo powers
[01:52] <_justin> oh yea
[01:53] <Lupin__III> done?
[01:53] <_justin> sudo nano apt-get update
[01:54] <_justin> type that?
[01:54] <Lupin__III> no
[01:54] <_justin> just apt
[01:54] <Lupin__III> sudo apt-get update
[01:54] <_justin> scrolling percenteges and stuff
[01:54] <Lupin__III> ok
[01:54] <_justin> its dling some updates
[01:54] <jrjx> You wouldn't do sudo nano apt-get, would you?  Nano is, like, a teensy text editor, I thought.
[01:54] <_justin> done
[01:55] <Lupin__III> now
[01:55] <Lupin__III> type
[01:55] <apokryphos> jrjx: yes
[01:55] <Lupin__III> sudo apt-get install wine
[01:55] <_justin> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another pack
[01:55] <_justin> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:56] <jrjx> Apo: Right, so sudo {editor} {packagemanager} makes no sense then.  Kerrect?
[01:56] <apokryphos> !wine
[01:56] <apokryphos> jrjx: yes
[01:56] <apokryphos> !+wine
[01:56] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer used by linux to let it run [some]  windows programs. To install a recent version, go through the tutorial at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996 ; for more info and apps that work with it, see http://www.winehq.org, or for support go to #winehq
[01:56] <jrjx> Thought so.
[01:56] <Lupin__III> apokryphos: i surrender
[01:57] <_justin> k i went to that link from obotu
[01:57] <_justin> and put in the first code its doing stuff
[01:57] <_justin> next im going to put in open gl code because i do want open gl support
[01:57] <apokryphos> I hardly think wine is a proper solution to gaming on linux, but some people use it
[01:58] <_justin> well with the wine emalator maybe i can more knowledbly install cedgal or something
[01:58] <Lupin__III> good night all
[01:59] <Lupin__III> i go to bed
[01:59] <DaSkreech> Hold up
[01:59] <DaSkreech> You can get cedega free?
[02:01] <Kaiser_Sleeps> DaSkreech: if you compile from source
[02:01] <jrj> Okay, gotta fix that key mapping...
[02:01] <DaSkreech> Kaiser_Away: Whats the issues with that?
[02:02] <Kaiser_Away> DaSkreech: your compiling stuff, and iirc its not easy to compile cedega
[02:02] <DaSkreech> Ah
[02:02] <DaSkreech> but it's roughly just as effective as paid for cedega?
[02:03] <Kaiser_Away> DaSkreech: in theory its the exact same thing. *in theory*
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Cool
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Too bad I'm really into open source games now
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Only thing I would look back for is War3
[02:03] <DaSkreech> And UT works on linux
[02:04] <DaSkreech> Yay! Forward thinking developers :)
[02:04] <Kaiser_Away> :)
[02:04] <Kaiser_Away> yay for id software as well
[02:05] <DaSkreech> Didn't I just say that?
[02:05] <DaSkreech> It's so sad that it's relativley easy to get games to work on Linux
[02:05] <Kaiser_Away> im being a bit more general about it ;)
[02:10] <_jeremy> Hello.  Im new to Linux and i was wondering if somebody can tell me how i install programs in kubuntu such as firefox and skype?
[02:11] <Kaiser_Away> _jeremy: you will want 2 different methods for those 2
[02:11] <_jeremy> ok
[02:11] <Kaiser_Away> firefox can be installed using apt- or adept. skype will require you to download it, then install it by hand
[02:11] <_jeremy> ok, ive downloaded skype and firefox to my desktop
[02:12] <wezlo> has anyone in here gotten dri to work with a unichrome chipset?
[02:12] <Kaiser_Away> did you get the deb of skype
[02:12] <_jeremy> yes
[02:12] <Kaiser_Away> and you dont need to download the firefox file. adept and apt- do it for you
[02:13] <Kaiser_Away> _jeremy: so go Konsole -> type "sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/skype*deb"
[02:13] <_jeremy> i just installed the cd version of kubuntu, so i dont have anything really installed on it yet.  If what i say doesnt sound right, forgive me, ive been a windows user for many many years
[02:13] <_jeremy> ah, ok, i will delete the firefox file then
[02:13] <Kaiser_Away> _jeremy: thats ok. you were proactive, and thats good ;)
[02:14] <_jeremy> :D
[02:14] <_jeremy> im not completely new to linux, but the only distro ive had much experience with before is slackware
[02:15] <Kaiser_Away> have you tried installing skype? it should give a password promp - enter your password
[02:15] <_jeremy> ive been setting up slackware systems at a local school, but that never included installing anything other than the distro itself, mainly just trying to get accounts and preferences set up
[02:15] <Kaiser_Away> mm. never got into slack. it didnt 'just work' in any shape and form, so i put  it off for later ;)
[02:15] <_jeremy> there was a problem with the one that i origionally got, so im downloading it again, 80% done
[02:17] <Kaiser_Away> skype? what sort of problem?
[02:18] <Riddell> _jeremy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype
[02:18] <_jeremy> something like untility ar is not in your PATH or something to that affect
[02:19] <jrj> I've been using aptitude myself.  When I upgrade to 5.10, I might try adept if I remember to.
[02:19] <Kaiser_Away> _jeremy: sure you got the deb? or did you get a rar ?
[02:19] <wezlo> jrj, I haven't really been impressed with adept - the ui is VERY busy
[02:19] <jrj> "ar" is a separate Unix program, a utility-type program.
[02:20] <jrj> I tried kynaptic at first, but I decided I didn't like it.
[02:20] <_jeremy> i got the deb
[02:21] <_jeremy> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[02:21] <_jeremy> ok, its not working, its telling me this when i try to dpkg it:
[02:21] <wezlo> jrj, I just end up using the cli or synaptic
[02:21] <_jeremy> ^^^
[02:21] <wezlo> _jeremy, do you have a package manager open?
[02:21] <jrj> I haven't tried synaptic, in part because I assume I have to have a semi-full Gnome installation and I don't.
[02:21] <_jeremy> yes
[02:21] <wezlo> close it
[02:21] <wezlo> and then run dpkg
[02:22] <_jeremy> ok, now i have a bunch of stuff that appears to be a problem, is there a place to paste it so i dont flood the room?
[02:23] <_jeremy> ive learned my lesson from accidentally flooding irc rooms and getting banned
[02:23] <wezlo> _jeremy, are you getting package errors?
[02:23] <jrj> Yes, you can page to ---
[02:23] <jrj> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[02:24] <DaSkreech> wezlo: Adept is harsh but not nearly as terrible as kynaptic
[02:24] <_jeremy> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/396979
[02:24] <_jeremy> thats what its giving me
[02:24] <jrj> Okay...  When I update my local dpkg available packages database with aptitude, and I get a warning about a Invalid Signature for a Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key, is this something I need to worry about or just do another update?
[02:25] <wezlo> ok
[02:25] <wezlo> _jeremy you have to install 2 packages
[02:26] <jrj> Yeah, you have to install those two packages that aren't installed before you can install skype.
[02:26] <jrj> However, those two packages might depend on still other packages that are not installed.
[02:26] <wezlo> _jeremy apt-get them
[02:26] <jrj> The solution: Use a package manager to install the two listed packages, to get all dependencies.
[02:27] <wezlo> _jeremy, try apt-get install libstdc++5
[02:27] <Riddell> 01:18 < Riddell> _jeremy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype
[02:27] <_jeremy> im reading that now riddell
[02:27] <wezlo> no one's got via and dri set up?
[02:29] <_jeremy> hmm, that didnt work, more problems with trying that wezlo, will post problems
[02:29] <_justin> i have downloaded all of the wine files and im trying to compile them with ./tools/wineinstall  i get this error configure: error: C compiler  cannot create executables
[02:29] <_jeremy> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/396987
[02:30] <DaSkreech> Anyway I'm Off
[02:30] <DaSkreech> Bye all
[02:31] <wezlo> _jermey
[02:31] <wezlo> same command
[02:31] <_jeremy> hmm, the file editor im used to isnt on here...  the only text editor on linux ive ever used is joe
[02:31] <wezlo> add "sudo" at the front
[02:31] <wezlo> my bad
[02:31] <jrj> Jeremy: That second paste is complaining about not being able to open a lock file.  Is that your error, or is it spurious?
[02:31] <_jeremy> ah, ok, thanks
[02:31] <`Nomad> !dvd
[02:31] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[02:31] <wezlo> ubotu, is extras up now?
[02:31] <ubotu> wezlo: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:32] <wezlo> ubotu, explain what? dri and via?
[02:32] <`Nomad> I'm using 5.10, is there anything special to be done in order to play DVDs?  I already installed libdvdcss2
[02:32] <_jeremy> that seemed to have worked
[02:32] <wezlo> ok
[02:33] <`Nomad> !libdvdcss
[02:33] <ubotu> `Nomad: Do they come in packets of five?
[02:33] <wezlo> you'r other package was libqt3-mt
[02:34] <wezlo> _jeremy, sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt
[02:34] <_jeremy> sweet, skype works
[02:34] <_justin> compiler  cannot create executables (what does this mean and is there a fix for it)??
[02:35] <jrj> Justin: That's an interesting error.  Can you pastebin it?
[02:36] <_justin> can you explain how?
[02:36] <_justin> im a beginner (linux) sorry
[02:36] <chavo> _justin, try installing g++
[02:36] <jrj> If you're doing something like using make, you should be able to capture console messages with something like "make >> my.logfile"
[02:37] <_jeremy> im scrolling through Adept, are there any files that i need or that you recommend i get?
[02:37] <_justin> jrj can i just email you the error?
[02:39] <_jeremy> im off to go get a pizza, i will be back in a while
[02:39] <_jeremy> thanks for the help
[02:39] <wezlo> _jeremy, enjoy the pizza
[02:40] <jrj> I'd rather not deal with e-mail iffn I can avoid it.  Easier to lookit it on a web page.
[02:41] <_justin> see config.log for more details?
[02:41] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:41] <da_bon_bon> why doesnt atk qt engine work for apps started as root ?
[02:41] <da_bon_bon> like synaptic ?
[02:42] <chavo> da_bon_bon, you have to configure it as root
[02:42] <da_bon_bon> chavo: how ?
[02:42] <da_bon_bon> kdesu kcontrol ?
[02:42] <_justin> WHile trying to install wine i get this error ---> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[02:42] <chavo> run the configuration as root or copy .gtkrc-2.0 from your ~ to /root
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> thanks, chakie
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> chavo: :)
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> better synaptic
[02:43] <chavo> no problem
[02:43] <jrj> Justin: Ah, that might be complaining that you do not have a C compiler installed.
[02:43] <jrj> Open a console terminal window and try doing "man gcc" -- see if you get a man page.
[02:44] <_justin> k
[02:44] <jrj> (Tho, if you had no C compiler, I'd think you'd get a error message that said that, so...)
[02:44] <chavo> _justin, did you install build-essential?
[02:44] <_justin> no
[02:44] <_justin> No manual entry for gcc
[02:45] <chavo> well try that, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:45] <jrj> Another reason might be if you're trying to run your makefile in a directory that you do not have read/write permission in, perhaps one not owned by you.
[02:45] <_justin> done
[02:45] <jrj> Justin must have a fast broadband network connection, and/or software on CD.  :-)
[02:45] <_justin> i only have one account installed its my own computer
[02:45] <_justin> 3 mbps/downlad
[02:45] <_justin> :)
[02:46] <jrj> Justin: Remember, you were doing some things using sudo, which uses root.
[02:46] <_justin> now what do i do
[02:46] <_justin> yea
[02:46] <chavo> it should work now
[02:46] <jrj> Try the compile again.
[02:46] <chavo> you just installed the compiler and a few other tools
[02:46] <_justin> same error
[02:47] <jrj> Tho...  Justin, with WINE, are you installing a pre-packaged version, a .deb file, or a version from source, like .tar.gz or .tgz ???
[02:47] <_justin> god im not even sure
[02:47] <chavo> try installing g++
[02:47] <_justin> i followed a tutorial
[02:47] <_justin> Setting up gcc (3.3.5-1) ...
[02:47] <_justin> Setting up g++ (3.3.5-1) ...
[02:47] <jrj> Where's the tutorial?
[02:47] <_justin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996
[02:48] <jrj> Looking at it now.
[02:48] <_justin> i had perfect luck right until the ./tools/wineinstall command
[02:48] <_justin> after pasting that command i get the error
[02:49] <_justin> you guys are extremely helpful in here, suprised to even get a response, yet actual help :)
[02:50] <_justin> im learning alot to :-p
[02:50] <n0odl3> does anyone here know how to update with kubuntu?
[02:50] <jrj> Okay, lemme read this guide...
[02:51] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:51] <n0odl3> thats all
[02:51] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: yep
[02:51] <n0odl3> does update manager or the kubuntu update manager work at all?
[02:51] <jrj> Justin: Okay, did you do the "cvs checkout" command?
[02:51] <_justin> 1 sec
[02:51] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: in breezy?  yep, the adept update manager
[02:52] <_justin> i think so
[02:52] <_justin> should i re do it in case?
[02:52] <n0odl3> i keep getting this when i update using sudo apt-get update
[02:52] <n0odl3> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:52] <n0odl3> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:52] <n0odl3> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[02:53] <Hobbsee> !gpgerr
[02:53] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[02:53] <_justin> jrj should i re run the checkout code in terminal to make sure?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> is the solution on #ubuntu, so you probably want to try that...or use another mirror
[02:53] <jrj> Justin: I just was making sure.
[02:53] <_justin> then try to compile
[02:53] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: you should probably have used the pastebin too
[02:53] <n0odl3> pastebin?
[02:54] <n0odl3> how do you use that?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> !tell n0odl3 about pastebin
[02:54] <jrj> Justin: What this tutorial is showing you how to do is use the VERY LATEST SOURCE CODE for WINE, and compile it from scratch.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: or see topic
[02:54] <_justin> k
[02:54] <_justin> so how can i get wine running
[02:54] <_justin> it got me all the 40 MB worth of files onto my hdd
[02:54] <wezlo> cya later gang, I'll be back again
[02:54] <jrj> Justin: Now, this *can* be necessary for WINE, because it changes rapidly in response to bug fixes and improvements.
[02:54] <_justin> ok
[02:54] <jrj> Justin: You *might* want to try a pre-built package for WINE, if any such exist.  Lemme check.
[02:54] <n0odl3> is it possible to uninstall kubuntu without affecting gnome?
[02:55] <_justin> so what do you recommend i do about getting wine working :)
[02:55] <n0odl3> is it possible?
[02:56] <n0odl3> or do i have to install all over again?
[02:56] <_jeremy> so much for that idea, the pizza place is closed.  oh well
[02:56] <_justin> lol
[02:56] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: yes, it's possible
[02:56] <_justin> sorry
[02:56] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: remove kdelibs
[02:56] <Hobbsee> that will take the rest
[02:56] <jrj> Justin: Okay...  There's a pre-compiled version that's ... about 7 mos old.
[02:56] <n0odl3> thats the command?
[02:56] <jrj> Justin: Depending on what you want this may or may not work for you.
[02:56] <_jeremy> So after a new install, what are needed or recommended packages that i should get from Adept?
[02:56] <_justin> ok can you link me?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: sudo apt-get remove kdelibs - but you'll have to log into gnome before you do that
[02:57] <n0odl3> ok
[02:57] <n0odl3> i see
[02:57] <n0odl3> thank you
[02:57] <jrj> Justin: Are you used to using any package manager, like "aptitude" or "adept" or whatever?
[02:57] <_justin> no all terminal
[02:57] <jrj> Okay, you can use aptitude in a terminal.
[02:57] <_justin> o wait
[02:58] <jrj> Open up a fresh terminal.  In it, do "sudo -s" to change to root.  Then do "aptitude".
[02:58] <_justin> kynaptic is on here
[02:58] <_justin> k it's up jrj
[02:58] <jrj> I actually like aptitude better -- use that.
[02:59] <_justin> k
[02:59] <_justin> i got like 5 options new packages, installed packages etc..
[02:59] <_justin> 6*
[02:59] <jrj> Okay.  Now, in aptitude, do you see in the upper pseudo-window a bunch of lines that say Installed Packages, Not Installed Packages, etc?
[02:59] <jrj> Right.
[02:59] <n0odl3> what was the command again?
[02:59] <jrj> Now.
[02:59] <_justin> yes
[02:59] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: for getting rid of kde?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get remove kdelibs
[03:00] <jrj> Type just "l", you'll get a popup window that talks about a package tree limit.
[03:00] <_justin> yep
[03:00] <n0odl3> yes
[03:00] <n0odl3> ok
[03:00] <jrj> In the popup window, type "wine" and press Enter.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: that should get rid of it all, along wiht any kde apps you are using
[03:00] <_justin> done
[03:01] <jrj> That should give you two lines.    Use the arrow keys to select "otherosfs" and press Enter again.
[03:01] <jrj> Okay, "New Packages" then.
[03:02] <jrj> You see otherosfs?
[03:02] <_justin> under new packages there is -----doc - documentation and specialized programs blah blah
[03:02] <_justin> under that is wine
[03:02] <jrj> Right.  Select "otherosfs" and press return, then "universe" and press return.
[03:02] <_justin> pink border..
[03:03] <_justin> description
[03:03] <_justin> priority
[03:03] <_justin> etc..
[03:03] <jrj> Type "q" to go back one window.  You should also be able to use your mouse to select the top menu lines white text on blue background.
[03:03] <n0odl3> its kdelibs?
[03:04] <_justin> k
[03:04] <n0odl3> klibs?
[03:04] <jrj> Okay...  Does the window you see now say something about Emulators ?
[03:04] <_justin> i do not see otherosfs anywhere though
[03:04] <n0odl3> hobsee
[03:04] <n0odl3> is it kdelibs?
[03:05] <_justin> a little
[03:05] <_justin> description: windows emulator (documentation)
[03:05] <jrj> Okay.  If you move your mouse cursor over top of Views and left click, do you get a drop down menu?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: spell my name properly, or otherwise it doesnt flash :P
[03:05] <n0odl3> sorry
[03:05] <_justin> yes
[03:05] <n0odl3> hobbsee
[03:06] <n0odl3> is it kdelibs?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's kdelibs
[03:06] <_justin> i do get a drop down under views
[03:06] <Hobbsee> had to go check
[03:06] <jrj> Okay.  Move the cursor over top of "Packages" and left click on that.
[03:06] <_justin> k
[03:06] <n0odl3> it tells me that kdelibs was not istalled
[03:06] <_justin> id wine-doc   is pink
[03:06] <jrj> Okay.  We're back to the list of packages.  Now.  Do you still see that line that talks about documentation?
[03:07] <_justin> yes
[03:07] <jrj> Maybe a line right above the line that says "wine-doc"?
[03:07] <_justin> yes
[03:07] <_justin> its like way above it though
[03:07] <jrj> Are there any other lines that seem to be at the same level or precedence as the one that says "documentation"?
[03:07] <n0odl3> hobbsee it seems it was "not installed" everytime i try to sudo apt-get remove kdelibs
[03:07] <Hobbsee> yet you have kde there at all?
[03:08] <_justin> i'm not sure
[03:08] <n0odl3> yeah
[03:08] <Hobbsee> check in synaptic, on the kde list of stuff
[03:08] <jrj> Okay.  Tell me the lines you see in the upper sub window, one by one.
[03:08] <_justin> it looks like wine-doc is the lowest level of the dir structor
[03:08] <_justin> \New packages
[03:08] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: there should be something called kdelibs, or something similar
[03:08] <jrj> Okay, what's immed above wine-doc.  Universe?
[03:08] <_justin> \doc - documentation and specialized ...
[03:08] <_justin> \universe - unsupported free software
[03:09] <_justin> id wine-doc                                  -3023kb
[03:09] <jrj> Okay...
[03:09] <pax> !ipod
[03:09] <ubotu> info for syncing your iPod is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto
[03:09] <jrj> On the same level as doc, are there any other lines at that precedence?
[03:09] <_justin> i own this
[03:09] <_justin> o read a line way up there ignore that
[03:09] <n0odl3> kde-core?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: try that
[03:10] <Hobbsee> it'll remove a lot of stuff
[03:10] <_justin> what do you mean by that
[03:10] <Hobbsee> if it's the right one
[03:10] <jrj> Okay.  You've got, like, --\ New Programs ...
[03:10] <n0odl3> hmm
[03:10] <_justin> OOO
[03:10] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: basically, what you want to do, is remove the package that everything else with kde depends on, so all that will go away too
[03:10] <n0odl3> im just worried cause i cant get any updates
[03:11] <jrj> and then indented a little --\ doc ...
[03:11] <_justin> \packages which depend on wine
[03:11] <icewt> is there some special package for kde users that makes gnome apps look nicer?
[03:11] <jrj> and then indented a little more --\ universe.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: that's usually kdelibs, but could be kdecore
[03:11] <_justin> \versions
[03:11] <Hobbsee> icewt: yep, it's got gtk and qt in it, search for it in adept
[03:11] <Hobbsee> icewt: sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[03:11] <Hobbsee> !gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[03:11] <ubotu> Hobbsee: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:12] <jrj> No, you're looking at the wrong window.  Use your mouse, left click on Views and then Packages.
[03:12] <_justin> ok there is nothing under wine-doc
[03:12] <_justin> after wine-doc it's blank space until it talks about windows emulator
[03:12] <icewt> Hobbsee: thanks
[03:12] <jrj> Right.  ABOVE wine-doc is --\ universe, and above THAT is --\ doc.  Correct?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> icewt: no problems :)
[03:12] <_justin> yes
[03:12] <_justin> that is correct
[03:13] <Hobbsee> icewt: you can control it all from kcontrol too, say if you want the gnome fonts bigger than the kde ones, which is sometimes useful
[03:13] <jrj> Okay.  Is there anything indented exactly as much as the line --\ doc ???
[03:13] <icewt> Hobbsee: oh, ok :)
[03:13] <n0odl3> dang the updates still wont work
[03:13] <_justin> no
[03:14] <jrj> Okay, hold on.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> n0odl3: i can tell you that the aussie mirrors are working fine here - you can use a different mirror with no problems
[03:15] <_justin> k
[03:16] <icewt> Hobbsee: hmm. i actually already seem to have that package
[03:16] <Hobbsee> icewt: then change the fonts, etc that it uses in kcontrol.  appearance tab, gtk apps
[03:16] <_justin> not sure if this matters, but i use 64 bit kubuntu maybe thats a problem?
[03:16] <jrj> Do you see something that looks like this:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=397022
[03:16] <Hobbsee> icewt: that generally makes them look way nicer (and readable)
[03:17] <jrj> That shouldn't matter, as long as it's still Intel compatible, not an entirely different architecture.
[03:17] <_justin> yes exept it's nothing under wine-doc
[03:17] <_justin> all blank
[03:17] <jrj> Okay, let's try this.
[03:18] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> hi
[03:18] <kkathman> good evening all, sorry I've been away for a bit
[03:18] <icewt> Hobbsee: ah yes, true :)
[03:18] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> is there a way to say to hotplug, mount sdaX only if it is not IPOD?
[03:18] <kkathman> Howdy Hobbsee :)
[03:18] <jrj> Type "l" to get that popup window.  Delete everything in it and press Enter.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hey kkathman!
[03:18] <Hobbsee> how you doing?
[03:18] <_justin> done
[03:18] <kkathman> Doing well Hobbsee  and you?
[03:18] <icewt> Hobbsee: the theme is not that nice though, but i guess i can download them somewhere
[03:18] <Hobbsee> kkathman: good, procrastinating as usual, next exam on thurs...
[03:19] <Hobbsee> icewt: which gtk apps look dodgy?
[03:19] <jrj> Okay.  Highlight "New Packages" and press Enter.  You should get a bunch of lines -- admin, base, comm, etc.
[03:19] <kkathman> Hobbsee: haha...well I understand that.  I have raised 3 kids and all of them seem to have that disease ....even me at times :)
[03:19] <jrj> Scroll down to look for a line that talks about otherosfs.
[03:19] <_justin> i deleted wine out of the "L" window
[03:19] <Hobbsee> icewt: you're telling it to use the KDE scheme, i take it?  you could try one of the others there.
[03:20] <Hobbsee> kkathman: these are my final exams...the ones i'm supposed to study for lol
[03:20] <kkathman> Hobbsee: Oh...hehe...well perhaps it would be a good idea :)
[03:20] <_justin> k
[03:20] <icewt> Hobbsee: i've actually just looked at gimp for now. the theme is ok, but it could be nicer ;)
[03:20] <_justin> otherosfs
[03:20] <Hobbsee> kkathman: yeah, maybe lol...
[03:20] <_justin> found it
[03:20] <Hobbsee> icewt: check for other themes, there probalby are some around
[03:20] <icewt> Hobbsee: seems to be only "Raleigh" style there
[03:21] <Hobbsee> icewt: yeah, same here
[03:21] <jrj> Okay, press enter on otherosfs.
[03:21] <_justin> k
[03:21] <_justin> i got universe
[03:21] <_justin> and
[03:21] <_justin> main
[03:21] <kkathman> Hobbsee: My oldest son just took the Law School Admissions Test and is anxiously awaiting the results while he finishes his last few college credits.
[03:21] <jrj> Press enter on universe.
[03:21] <_jeremy> what is the best bittorrent client on linux?
[03:21] <kkathman> Hobbsee: he was off to the library tonight to write a paper due tomorrow (last minute of course)
[03:21] <_justin> k
[03:21] <n0odl3> dang i think i have to reinstall linux and reupdate to breezy
[03:21] <Hobbsee> kkathman: ouch...and of course lol
[03:21] <n0odl3> kubuntu messed up my system
[03:21] <kkathman> n0odl3: why?
[03:21] <qatsi> hi all ! i need some help with some apps starting. For example Adept. When i go to de K menu, System, then Adept, it goes ok, but ive installed KXDocker, which is a    osX like menu bar. I just have to add the comand to open the app. So what i did, was just copy the command that opened the other Adept, but when i try the one in the KXDocker, it says that i have to log in as super user to install or update apps, meanwhile, i can ust se
[03:21] <jrj> Do you see a whole bunch of packages?
[03:22] <_justin> yea
[03:22] <jrj> Scroll down, look for a package named "wine".
[03:22] <n0odl3> kkathman for some reason my updates arent working
[03:22] <_justin> aranym, arson etc
[03:22] <n0odl3> im gonna try one more time
[03:22] <n0odl3> i have to wait though
[03:22] <_justin> wine is not there
[03:22] <jrj> Okay...
[03:22] <kkathman> n0odl3: better to take stock on whats working first, then work forward from there
[03:23] <n0odl3> well my updater isnt working (for kubuntu)
[03:23] <n0odl3> and the update-manager for gnome gets gpg problems
[03:23] <Hobbsee> kkathman: there are plenty of people mentioning gpg problems
[03:23] <Hobbsee> !gpgerr
[03:23] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[03:23] <kkathman> n0odl3: I believe there are some updates for that, but im not sure
[03:24] <n0odl3> i see
[03:24] <kkathman> Hobbsee: yeah its mentioned in the topic, but Im not seeing the specifics on it
[03:24] <jrj> Edit the file "/etc/apt/sources.list" -- you may need to edit this from a console terminal using sudo, depending on what editor you use.
[03:24] <_jeremy> are there any good emulators or whatever for running newer windows games on linux?
[03:24] <n0odl3> yeah cedega
[03:24] <jrj> I was getting gpg problems a bit ago, bad key.
[03:24] <qatsi> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:24] <_justin> i already turned universe on by uncommenting everything that had a url
[03:24] <_justin> thats what a guy told me to do
[03:24] <_jeremy> cedega, never heard of it.  Is it free?
[03:24] <n0odl3> uhhh
[03:24] <Hobbsee> _jeremy: no
[03:24] <kkathman> jrj: do you know of the fixes?
[03:24] <n0odl3> not really
[03:25] <n0odl3> but it works good
[03:25] <n0odl3> im trying to find a driver emulator
[03:25] <Hobbsee> _justin: backports arent open yet, are they?
[03:25] <kkathman> I think they are working on fixes...it says they are pending
[03:25] <jrj> kkath: No, I just get error messages in aptitude occassionally.  I was worried someone was putting cracked / trojaned s/w in repositories.
[03:25] <kkathman> so we should be patient
[03:25] <n0odl3> anyone know a good one or a linux driver for Deleter XP pen?
[03:25] <_justin> what should i do to sources.list
[03:25] <_jeremy> how much does cedega cost?
[03:25] <kkathman> so far so good here, I havent gotten any gpg issues
[03:26] <n0odl3> well
[03:26] <n0odl3> for some reason the updater doesnt really update
[03:26] <n0odl3> it says fetching then it ends
[03:26] <Hobbsee> !cedega
[03:26] <ubotu> help for cedega is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega and for a list of working games see http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[03:26] <_jeremy> and with it, can you run windows games right when they come out, or do you have to wait for them to support it?
[03:26] <kkathman> _justin: try going to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpdateNotes
[03:26] <n0odl3> yeh you can do it
[03:26] <Hobbsee> !tell _jeremy about cedega
[03:26] <jrj> Do you have a line that says, like, deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary univers
[03:26] <jrj> universe
[03:26] <kkathman> oops got that wrong
[03:26] <_jeremy>  thanks, brb
[03:26] <kkathman> _justin: try going to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[03:26] <icewt-> ahh.. now GTK apps look better. for some reason i had to change from "Use my KDE style in GTK applications" to "Use another style: Raleigh" and back to "Use my KDE style in GTK applications" to get the proper look. now it appeared in the "User another style:" menu too, with name Qt. it wasn't there at first. strange, but it works now :)
[03:27] <_justin> wait sources.list didn't open command not found
[03:27] <_justin> i forgot how i ended up getting it open
[03:27] <_justin> whats some other commands to open sources.list
[03:27] <_justin> i just tried sudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:27] <Hobbsee> icewt-: excellent :D
[03:28] <kkathman> _justin: sudo gedit etc/apt/sources.list
[03:28] <_justin> sudo: gedit: command not found
[03:28] <kkathman> bbiab
[03:28] <_justin> i'm using terminal
[03:28] <icewt-> Hobbsee: :)
[03:28] <jrj> sudo kwrite /etc/apt...  or sudo kate /etc/apt...
[03:29] <n0odl3> still gpg problems
[03:29] <jrj> After that, look for a line that says, like, deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe  --- your file may say breezy universe at the end.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> _justin: substitute gedit with kwrite
[03:30] <_justin> it opened sources.list
[03:30] <mphilpot> Hey everyone - I need some help trying to compile the kernel with Breezy
[03:30] <_justin> but it gave an error while doing it
[03:30] <_justin> says its owned by uid 1000 instead of 0
[03:30] <jrj> Yeah, there may be a file locking error -- don't worry about it just yet.
[03:30] <mphilpot> It looks lik the kernel that came with Breezy is 2.6.12-9
[03:30] <_justin> k
[03:30] <qatsi> Hobbsee: hello my friend :p back again...now with a stupid question hehe......wheni do sudo kwrite /file i get this error: kwrite : cannot connect to X server......what shall i do ?
[03:30] <_justin> i got sources.list open in kwrite
[03:31] <_justin> i see deb stuff
[03:31] <mphilpot> but I don't see sources for that in apt-get... also I don't seem to be able to download build-essential which has dependencies on g++ 4.0 (it looks like)
[03:31] <jrj> Okay.  Look for a line that begins with deb, NOT deb-src, and ends with hoary universe or breezy universe.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> qatsi: hello...is the X server actually running at all?
[03:32] <_justin> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com.....hoary main restricted
[03:32] <_justin> ignore link
[03:32] <qatsi> Hobbsee: yep, im in KDE :p using Kopete
[03:32] <satafterh> hello all
[03:33] <_justin> Theres 10 lines that begin with deb and 5 of them begin with deb-src
[03:33] <jrj> Okay.  You're looking for a line roughly like that, that says HOARY UNIVERSE.
[03:33] <qatsi> satafterh: hi..
[03:33] <_justin> yea i see it
[03:33] <_justin> one begins with deb one src
[03:33] <jrj> It may have a # sign at the start.  You may have to scroll down below what is visible to you now.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> qatsi: that's odd...tried restarting X?
[03:34] <jrj> Okay.  The line that begins with deb, does it have a # in front?
[03:34] <_justin> i got rid of all the # signs beginning with deb
[03:34] <_justin> the last guy told me to do that
[03:34] <Hobbsee> qatsi: and i'm assuming that /file is the correct path of the file you're wanting
[03:34] <jrj> You did that previously, or you just now did it?
[03:34] <_justin> previously
[03:34] <satafterh> have a question for someone, I installed kde 3.5 and would like to go baack to 3.4.3 as i am having a few crashes an hour, not system crashes program crashes, any way can i go back to 3.4.3
[03:34] <jrj> Okay...  Close the editor without making any changes.  Return to aptitude.
[03:34] <_justin> so basically every line is un commented
[03:34] <qatsi> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:35] <_justin> whats command to return to aptitude?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> satafterh: there's a solution on ubuntuforums.org - search for kde 3.5 remove
[03:35] <satafterh> will do thanks
[03:35] <Hobbsee> qatsi: that looks right, tried restarting X?  ctrl alt backspace
[03:35] <jrj> aptitude was in a different terminal window, or if you closed it just get to a shell prompt and do sudo aptitude.
[03:35] <_justin> k there
[03:36] <jrj> Okay.  In aptitude ...
[03:36] <_justin> yes
[03:37] <jrj> In the top menu click on Actions, in the drop down click on Update package list.
[03:37] <skizzay> I need some help with on how Kubuntu scripts USB mass storage
[03:37] <_justin> done downloaded 17 kb in 6s
[03:37] <_justin> clicked ok it said loading cache and returned to aptitude screen
[03:38] <jrj> Okay.  Now, click on Actions and then Forget new packages.
[03:38] <_justin> done
[03:38] <douglas> I installed the kdegames package in breezy and I never got a games menu, I also installed knemo, but it doesn't show up in system settings, before I reinstalled with breezy both of these things worked?
[03:38] <qatsi> Hobbsee: uhmm, ok.....by the way, before i do that.....do you know of any bug that makes writing imposible ?.....instead of letters i have squares :S
[03:39] <Hobbsee> qatsi: nope, but i havent looked at the bug lists for a while, tried changing the font the program uses?
[03:39] <jrj> Okay.  Now, do you see a line --- Not Installed ?  Select that.
[03:39] <_justin> k
[03:39] <skizzay> douglas:  Did you also install the kdeaddons package?
[03:39] <douglas> nope, should I?
[03:39] <qatsi> Hobbsee: i did that.....well, now i can use KDE, but the log in mannager still has that strange stuff :p i have to log in via console...
[03:40] <jrj> Under that, select otherosfs.  Then universe.
[03:40] <_justin> yea wines still not there
[03:40] <jrj> Then scroll way down and l...  Huh.
[03:40] <skizzay> I had a similar problem (but not games menu).  When I installed the addons package, it appeared.
[03:40] <_justin> similiar problem to me skizzay?
[03:41] <douglas> k
[03:41] <jrj> In a terminal window, do "uname -a" tell me what it says.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> qatsi: what have you done recently?  dist upgraded to breezy?
[03:41] <`Nomad> douglas: Do you have a Debian option in your menu?  That,s where things end up, you have to have that on in your menu. Look it up in the FAQ, it'll show you how to add it.
[03:41] <_justin> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic #1 Tue Apr 5 12:21:57 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[03:41] <douglas> I know how, but I don't have a debian menu either.
[03:42] <jrj> Justin: Gimme a sec.
[03:42] <qatsi> Hobbsee: in Hoary it worked just fine....after that i installed Breeze with preview cd, now im upgraded and i cant do that since breeze preview....should i download Breeze install CD and reinstall to see if it was a previes bug ?
[03:42] <_justin> ok
[03:43] <Hobbsee> qatsi: it might not be a bad idea, although it should give no problems if you installed with a RC, depends how early the preview cd was
[03:44] <Hobbsee> qatsi: apparently they did a lot of work with X a little before the RC came out, and then a bit more afterwards
[03:44] <qatsi> Hobbsee: preview was....i think the first :S
[03:44] <Hobbsee> qatsi: probably wouldnt be a bad idea, assuming that was the one that was a few months ago
[03:44] <_justin> jrj can't you take over with desktop sharing and do this for me?
[03:45] <qatsi> Hobbsee: ok, i think ill do that...or maybe just installing hoary and then upgrading, that way i wont need to download the CD
[03:45] <douglas> I just tried installing kdeaddons, is the main mirror down?
[03:46] <mphilpot> Does anyone know how to successfully compile the kernel in Breezy??
[03:47] <mphilpot> The wiki doesn't seem to work and there is no linux-headers for 2.6.12-9
[03:47] <jrj> Okay...
[03:48] <_justin> :)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> qatsi: you can try that...the servers will be very, very slow though
[03:48] <_justin> want to see if we can do desktop shareing jrj?
[03:48] <jrj> It looks like UBUNTU does not have pre-compiled binaries for WINE for AMD64.  I don't know why it won't let you try to use the i386 ones instead.
[03:48] <jrj> Justin: No, because I only have dialup.
[03:49] <_justin> ouch
[03:49] <_justin> ok want to see if we can use the 1386 ones
[03:49] <_justin> i have them downloaded
[03:49] <_justin> to cvs\wine
[03:50] <jrj> Justin: You have some options -- you can try to install the Ubuntu "debian source" package, which would compile it for you.  Or you can try to download the Ubuntu binary i386 package, and see if that will run.\
[03:50] <jrj> You have other options.
[03:50] <_justin> which would be fastest way of getting me a windows emulator
[03:50] <_justin> :)
[03:50] <jrj> You can download from www.debian.org the AMD64 binary package and install that manually.  Ubuntu is derived from Debian so there's a good chance it will work.
[03:51] <jrj> You can also try compiling the source you got from winehq.org.
[03:51] <jrj> Or, finally, you can pay for and install the commercial version, or download the source for THAT and compile / install it.
[03:52] <_justin> is there a stable 64 bit windows yet?
[03:52] <jrj> The commercial version is that Cedega thing people mentioned -- the link to it is http://transgaming.com/
[03:53] <_justin> ty for all you're help jrj
[03:53] <_justin> you taught me a lot never the less
[03:53] <_justin> i probobly will buy it how much is it
[03:54] <jrj> I have no idea.  Lookit the link.
[03:54] <jrj> Check with them first, make sure they support AMD64 before you send them money.
[03:58] <_justin> cedgal is not a one time payment, it's a annual fee
[03:58] <_justin> that sucks..
[03:59] <jrj> How much is the fee, tho?
[03:59] <_justin> looks like to me..
[03:59] <_justin> http://transgaming.org/subscription/subscribe.html
[03:59] <_justin> 5$ a month or 55$ a month
[03:59] <_justin> i cant really tell
[03:59] <jrj> And, I suspect it's still under very active development, and they expect to have to give people lots of support, so...
[04:05] <_jeremy> for using firefox in linux, what kind of media player do i need to be able to see streaming videos that would normally be played in Windows Media Player?
[04:05] <jrj> Justin: You there?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> _jeremy: i think you can use mplayer...
[04:06] <qatsi> uhmmm, im having some trubble with skype repositorie :S when i try installing it, the error message is : there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break
[04:07] <_jeremy> when i try to watch the video, it says i need an unknown plugin in firefox, what do i do?
[04:07] <_justin> yes jrj
[04:07] <Hobbsee> qatsi: google search, i vaguely recall that skype package was broken
[04:08] <qatsi> Hobbsee: been doing that for a while, and it seems strange for skype to have a broken package
[04:09] <Hobbsee> !faq
[04:09] <ubotu> I heard faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[04:09] <icewt> _jeremy: press ctrl+u, find the video url and write in terminal mplayer the_url_you_found
[04:09] <Hobbsee> i really need to bookmakr that link
[04:09] <qatsi> Hobbsee: the faq was for me ?
[04:10] <jrj> Justin: That software package from TransGaming is $5 / mo on a renewing basis, or $55 / yr on a one-time basis.  Supposedly, if you do the renewing one for 18+ mos there's extra bennies.
[04:11] <_justin> so it would be 55 for my first year and 5 for years following?
[04:11] <_jeremy> apparently i dont have mplayer installed, where do i get it?
[04:12] <icewt> _jeremy: sudo apt-get install mplayer - not sure in which repository it is
[04:12] <_justin> Jrj universe is not listed with main on "INSTALLED Packages"
[04:12] <_justin> do u think thats my problem?
[04:12] <jrj> No, no, no.  $55 for one year, no further bill ever (but I dunno if it stops working).
[04:13] <icewt> !info mplayer
[04:13] <icewt> !info mplayer-k6
[04:13] <ubotu> mplayer-k6: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9 (breezy), Packaged size: 3683 kB, Installed size: 8072 kB
[04:13] <jrj> Or, else, $5 every month, $60 for one year, and if you subscribe longer than 18 mos they give you extra bennies or so they say.
[04:13] <zaphar_ps> has anyone got a fix for the usb automounting problem in breezy?
[04:14] <icewt> _jeremy: so, it's in multiverse
[04:14] <jrj> Justin: No, the problem is that the Ubuntu precompiled binary for WINE is only for i386, not for AMD64.
[04:14] <icewt> _jeremy: you should get also w32codecs
[04:14] <_justin> so i can't use wine?
[04:14] <icewt> !w32codecs
[04:14] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[04:14] <_justin> i can't use wine with 64 bit pre compiled
[04:14] <_justin> how do i get i386
[04:15] <_jeremy> apparently mplayer isnt on the default repository
[04:15] <nalioth> Hobbsee: the dvds have a live and install image on them. it'd be nice if they had a dvd with k/x/ubuntu on them, tho
[04:15] <Hobbsee_> qatsi: sorry, got booted somehow
[04:16] <jrj> You would need an entirely different type of computer.
[04:16] <Hobbsee_> nalioth: ah, is that what it is...i thought it was that they had all the display managers on there, so you could choose
[04:16] <_jeremy> how do i figure out what repository mplayer is on and how to do change what repository im searching through to be able to get it?
[04:16] <jrj> Or, at least entirely change your operating system, everything, to use i386 binaries rather than AMD64 binaries.
[04:17] <qatsi> Hobbsee: no prb :p...i found that the skype package is in very bad conditions.......strange...but true....ive just downloaded the .deb file, to see if it works...
[04:17] <jrj> Or, you could TRY to use the i386 binaries ANYWAY, I honestly do not know if it would be a problem or not.
[04:17] <nalioth> Hobbsee_: nope, live and install
[04:17] <Hobbsee_> ah
[04:17] <Hobbsee_> nalioth: any chance you could kick Hobbsee?  it seems to have logged me in twice
[04:17] <Hobbsee_> i'd like my regular username back!
[04:17] <jrj> AMD64 is supposed to be a superset of i386, but I don't know if it makes a difference for this.
[04:17] <nalioth> ping Hobbsee
[04:18] <Hobbsee_> sending ping...it'll time out, i presume
[04:18] <Hobbsee_> ghost command?  no
[04:18] <qatsi> uhmm, Hobbsee and nalioth are always here :p
[04:18] <Hobbsee_> lol...not always
[04:18] <_justin> im completley lost with linux lol
[04:18] <Hobbsee_> nalioth is usually here though
[04:19] <nalioth> there is a difference
[04:19] <_justin> would i see a huge performance boost with using a 64 bit os?
[04:19] <_justin> i my as well stick with xp pro 32 bit..
[04:19] <Hobbsee_> nalioth: well, there's a notice there...
[04:19] <qatsi> _justing....ahh yep....i am too, and when you discover things....you get more stucked :p
[04:19] <_justin> better frame rates, or just more stable apps
[04:19] <_justin> i have learned a lot today
[04:20] <_justin> it's complicating just to install a program..
[04:20] <_justin> lol
[04:20] <jrj> justin: Well...  It's an entirely different operating system.  You *could* set things up to "dual boot" either XP or Linux, both installed simultaneously and one or the other running.
[04:21] <_justin> i do
[04:21] <qatsi> _justin: (i hope no ubuntu fan read this)...you should also try Gentoo.....if you do mannage to install it with tarball 3...then you will know the underware of the linux, and youll get more of what are you doing :)
[04:21] <_justin> well
[04:21] <jrj> Or set things up so that XP can run "on top of" Linux, or Linux "on top of" XP.
[04:21] <zaphar_ps> does anyone have a fix for the usb storage device errors?
[04:21] <_justin> my setup is this right now
[04:22] <jrj> Well, windows apps normally will be more stable running on windows, that's the native environment.
[04:22] <_justin> hard drive 1 windows xp pro hard drive 2 kubuntu mbr= kubuntu grub loads and gives me operating system selection
[04:23] <_justin> it gives me like 8 choices for kubuntu i select generic 64
[04:23] <_justin> or xp
[04:23] <_justin> any one tried the release of windows xp 64 bit?
[04:23] <jrj> justin: So run your games directly under xp.  I would.
[04:23] <_justin> i do for now
[04:23] <_justin> but i want to migrate to 64 bit
[04:24] <_justin> entierly
[04:24] <jrj> I have not tried win64.
[04:25] <jrj> If you have legacy applications, or games, I would check carefully to make sure they will run under win64 before upgrading.
[04:25] <nalioth> Hobbsee: are you getting sorted?
[04:26] <Hobbsee_> nalioth: nope, tried restarting X, not sure why it didnt logout
[04:26] <_justin> wow ill stick with win32 and wine on kubuntu
[04:26] <_justin> i just read some bad reviews
[04:26] <Hobbsee_> trying this...
[04:27] <qatsi> ohh yeah, firs .deb install :p hahaha im still so noob at ubuntu :p
[04:27] <_justin> what irc server is this i want to perform it on windows
[04:27] <icewt> irc.freenode.net
[04:27] <Hobbsee_> _justin: irc.freenode.net
[04:27] <_justin> ty
[04:28] <Hobbsee_> :D
[04:28] <jrj> The server is irc.freenode.net .
[04:28] <Hobbsee> woohoo!
[04:28] <_justin> aright im gonna perform
[04:28] <qatsi> ahhhhh .deb file for skype is just plain fu$"$.....cant insall skype in linux :(
[04:28] <_justin> brb
[04:28] <_jeremy> how do i change repositories and how do i know what one to change to to get things like mplayer?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> !tell _jeremy about repositories
[04:30] <jrj> !tell jrj help
[04:30] <zaphar_ps> is there some kind of dependency problem with the kubuntu repositories? I keep getting dependency errors when I try do install packages
[04:30] <Hobbsee> zaphar_ps: paste error messages to pastebin
[04:30] <jrj> !tell jrj about help
[04:31] <qatsi> !tell qatsi about help
[04:31] <Hobbsee> !tell Hobbsee about help
[04:31] <qatsi> hahahah the !tell hour :p
[04:32] <qatsi> !tell qatsi about lobotomy
[04:32] <nalioth> !botabuse
[04:32] <icewt-> hm.. is it just me or is freenode unstable (or something)
[04:32] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[04:32] <qatsi> ohhh, obotu gets mad :P
[04:33] <zaphar_ps> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/397087
[04:33] <zaphar_ps> that's one set
[04:33] <jrj> zaph: You might need to do dist-upgrade ?
[04:33] <zaphar_ps> this is a fresh install of breezy
[04:34] <zaphar_ps> I'm just trying to fix the usb automounting problem
[04:36] <qatsi> nalioth: why did you make !botabuse ?
[04:36] <zaphar_ps> jrj: just tried dist-upgrade: nothing to install
[04:36] <Hobbsee> qatsi: ever seen how busy #ubuntu is?  you dont want people starting to message the bots in there if they can do it privately
[04:37] <qatsi> Hobbsee: ohh, ok :)
[04:37] <Hobbsee> qatsi: same reason as we have the "no pasting" rule, and the pastebin
[04:37] <qatsi> Hobbsee: ok, i see :) sorry for bothering the bot :p
[04:38] <nalioth> qatsi: i did not
[04:38] <qatsi> well,thats for me today, ill go to sleep :p
[04:38] <nalioth> qatsi: there are many factoids i have nothing to do with
[04:38] <qatsi> see ya !
[04:39] <jrj> zaph: I was just thinking, since you were talking about rolling back...
[04:39] <zaphar_ps> I'd rather not
[04:40] <zaphar_ps> but I kind of need that usb auto mounting to work
[04:40] <jrj> zaph: Well, see, I'd assumed you'd initially upgraded from 5.04 to 5.10, not done a fresh install of 5.10.
[04:41] <zaphar_ps> I did a fresh install of 5.10 but kept my home directories from 5.04
[04:41] <zaphar_ps> I restored them from backups
[04:41] <zaphar_ps> would that make a difference?
[04:41] <zaphar_ps> cause I wiped the drive when I reinstalled
[04:42] <jrj> football.
[04:42] <zaphar_ps> football?
[04:42] <jrj> zaph: I would assume it didn't make a diff.
[04:42] <zaphar_ps> jrj I would assume the same thing :-)
[04:42] <jrj> I'm in USA.  Monday Night Football.
[04:42] <zaphar_ps> ahhh
[04:42] <zaphar_ps> hehe
[04:43] <zaphar_ps> i'm in USA too
[04:44] <zaphar_ps> are the gpg and HAL problems mentioned in the channel welcome message related?
[04:46] <zaphar_ps> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/397109
[04:46] <zaphar_ps> this seems to be the source of the dependency problems
[04:47] <zaphar_ps> a misspelling in the vim version number?
[04:49] <richard> im trying to install sharpmusique
[04:49] <icewt> or then apt doesn't understand that ubuntu3 is newer than ubuntu2 (?)
[04:50] <_david> Can anyone help with me a question regarding services on Kubuntu?
[04:50] <richard> i need to know where i can find the repositories that contain sharpmusique and the dependencies that it needs
[04:50] <richard> can someone answer that for me
[04:51] <zaphar_ps> icewt: perhaps
[04:51] <_david> I turned off systemlogs, does anyone know the console command to turn it back on?
[04:51] <zaphar_ps> icewt: any suggestions on how to fix it?
[04:52] <icewt> zaphar_ps: you can force apt to install it even if it thinks there's something wrong
[04:54] <alejandro> hola que tal
[04:55] <alejandro> acabo de cambiar del 5.04 al 5.10, pero tengo problemas con memorias USB... no puedo montarlas y tampoco puedo reproducir mp3 en el amarok
[04:55] <alejandro> me pueden ayudar?
[04:55] <icewt> zaphar_ps: not sure what the command is with apt, but you could download the package manually and install with dpkg this way: "sudo dpkg --force-depends -i *.deb" - it will cause apt to complain every time you try to update/install anything, so it's not that good option :/
[04:56] <_jeremy> what is the location of the file that holds the addresses for the repositories?
[04:56] <_jeremy> i know its in /etc/ , but i dont know where to go after that
[04:56] <icewt> _jeremy: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:57] <_jeremy> ok, thanks
[04:57] <_jeremy> whats the best konsole text editor for kubuntu?  Im used to using joe in slackware and kubuntu doesnt have joe
[04:57] <icewt> _jeremy: nano -wz
[04:58] <zaphar_ps> icewt: I'd rather not do that I've been through the messed up dependency thing before
[04:58] <nalioth> _jeremy: you can install joe
[04:58] <_jeremy> really?
[04:59] <nalioth> _jeremy: enable universe and multiverse and there are many toys you can use
[04:59] <icewt> zaphar_ps: yeah, it sucks
[04:59] <nalioth> _jeremy: enable those repos and use adept to search for what you are used to
[04:59] <alejandro> please help. I can't mount USB memories, and I can't listen mp3 on amarok. It was very easy in 5.04 but now in 5.10 I can't
[04:59] <_jeremy> ok, im in the sources.list, how do i enable those?
[05:00] <zaphar_ps> another weird thing is that when I put a
[05:00] <zaphar_ps> cd into the drive it spawns like 5 seperate windows
[05:01] <richard> ok, how do you fix the authorization keys for repositories
[05:01] <zaphar_ps> Im  getting the feeling that breezy wasn't quite ready for everyday use yet
[05:02] <richard> its says the my key:  BADSIG 40976EAF437DO5B5 is invalid
[05:02] <alejandro> help i can't moun USB memories
[05:02] <richard> how do i fix this
[05:02] <alejandro> i can't listen mp3 on amarok... why?
[05:02] <kkathman> ok back...greets all :)
[05:02] <zaphar_ps> lol looks like I'm not the only one having usb trouble
[05:02] <richard> or signature that is
[05:02] <kkathman> Hey nalioth :)
[05:02] <richard> my signature is invalid
[05:02] <nalioth> kkathman: howdy
[05:03] <richard> how do i fix this problem, i cant use my repositories
[05:03] <kkathman> nalioth: how are you this evening/day (whichever)  ;)
[05:03] <nalioth> richard: you CAN use your repos
[05:03] <nalioth> ubotu: tell richard about gpgerr
[05:03] <nalioth> kkathman: fine and you?
[05:03] <richard> not my universe or multiverse
[05:03] <kkathman> authorization keys for the repositories??
[05:03] <kkathman> nalioth: Im well thanks...we have been getting a few questions today on the GPGs
[05:04] <foodcoman> Evening!
[05:04] <kkathman> hello foodcoman :)
[05:04] <icewt> alejandro: install libgstreamer-plugins0.8-0 and you can play mp3s
[05:04] <nalioth> ubotu: tell kkathman about gpgerr
[05:04] <foodcoman> Heya kkath!   ;-)
[05:04] <kkathman> haha nalioth  :)
[05:05] <foodcoman> hey does ubotu have the w32codec site?
[05:05] <icewt> yes
[05:05] <alejandro> icewt: i think i have it, but i'll check
[05:05] <kkathman> thanks for the tidbit tho nalioth  :)
[05:05] <richard> ! w32codecs
[05:05] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[05:05] <foodcoman> Gracias!
[05:06] <richard> hey, i do know some things about kubuntu.  i just havent used it in awhile, and i forgot some things
[05:06] <richard> ! sharpmusique
[05:06] <ubotu> richard: I don't know
[05:06] <richard> umm
[05:06] <richard> im trying to find sharpmusique on here
[05:06] <kkathman> nalioth: is the ubot tell thing just for ops or can any of us help others with that?
[05:07] <richard> the second on dude
[05:07] <richard> the second one, dude
[05:07] <richard> you can use it
[05:07] <richard> ! kubuntu
[05:07] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[05:07] <kkathman> kewl that will be nice :)
[05:07] <nalioth> ubotu: tell kkathman about yourself
[05:08] <kkathman> Ive just referring people to the wiki and the topic
[05:08] <kkathman> thanx nalioth  :)
[05:08] <zaphar_ps> ! gpgerr
[05:08] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[05:08] <kkathman> I'll do my best to help
[05:08] <richard> the wiki is pretty good, but ubotu is really good too, if you know what to put after the !
[05:09] <zaphar_ps> ! HAL
[05:09] <kkathman> richard: Yah I kinda figured that was the key :)
[05:09] <ubotu> HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is a library and daemon to get hotplug notifications as hardware is added and removed.
[05:09] <masterloki> Hi there can some tell me how to get the lateral bar on Konqueror??
[05:09] <zaphar_ps> nifty
[05:09] <kkathman> masterloki: you mean to split left/right?
[05:09] <masterloki> kkathman: yes
[05:09] <nalioth> !botabuse
[05:09] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[05:10] <kkathman> masterloki: you have to go to the toolbars, and configure the toolbar...the split left/right is there
[05:11] <kkathman> masterloki: Settings -> Configure Toolbars
[05:11] <kkathman> masterloki: then simply move the split from the left pane to the right, and enable the toolbar
[05:14] <kkathman> evening hussam :)
[05:14] <hussam> kkathman: hey buddy :)
[05:15] <_david> Does anyone know how to turn on the syslog via Konsole? I turned mine off in the service manager and now my fresh install is acting funky
[05:15] <_david> First and foremost, I can't load my services anymore into the service manager
[05:15] <kkathman> hussam: I apologize for the apt-get thing the other night...I should have been more clear, that in that apt-get wont resolve things when they are packaged wrong. Sorrry for not being clear on that :)
[05:20] <_david> Anyone here know how to turn on the syslog via console?
[05:21] <kkathman> _david: did you try the wiki by chance?
[05:22] <hussam> kkathman: don't worry about it.
[05:22] <hussam> kkathman: I do find apt-get very effective
[05:23] <_jeremy> how am i supposed to do anything in root if kubuntu wont allow me to log in as root from bootup?
[05:23] <frank23> _jeremy: you use sudo
[05:23] <frank23> !tell _jeremy about sudo
[05:24] <jsgotangco> hey all do we have issues on automounting usb sticks?
[05:24] <kkathman> hussam: I dont use anything else actually so I agree with you :)
[05:25] <Jacko> anyone know why I don't have xorgconfig on my newly installed kubuntu system? using a Ati raedon ... chip in a laptop
[05:25] <_david> kkathman what is "the wiki" ?
[05:25] <kkathman> frank23: do you know how to start the syslog from the konsole?? Is it like script syslog or something like that I forget
[05:25] <frank23> kkathman: I have no idea
[05:25] <kkathman> _david: http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:25] <thoreauputic> Jacko: use        sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:26] <_jeremy> i know about sudo, but what if i want to be logged in as root, is there no way to do that?
[05:26] <thoreauputic> _jeremy:  type sudo -i  for a root shell
[05:26] <frank23> _jeremy: yes if you set a password for root.
[05:26] <_jeremy> ah, ok, thanks, -i is what i needed
[05:27] <Jacko> thoreauputic: cheers
[05:27] <thoreauputic> Jacko: :)
[05:28] <richard> ok, i was wrong
[05:28] <jsgotangco> judax: ping?
[05:28] <richard> the way you fix the repo problem is to remove your universe and multiverse repos
[05:29] <richard> and then to put them back in
[05:29] <richard> that will give you a new signature
[05:29] <kkathman> ok this is getting me...Im searchin all over the place and cant find how to start syslog from the konsole :)
[05:30] <_david> I might have found something similiar...
[05:30] <richard> then if you want the backports, find them on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?highlight=%28repositories%29
[05:30] <richard> this will definintely fix your repo proble
[05:30] <richard> problem
[05:30] <richard> mine are working fine now
[05:30] <icewt> kkathman: maybe "sudo syslogd &" or something
[05:31] <_david> Hmm, why can I never get "sudo apt-get" to work
[05:31] <kkathman> _david: works for me....what kind of error do you get?
[05:31] <richard> _david: do you put your password in after you type sudo apt-get
[05:32] <_david> Yes, I do
[05:32] <richard> ok
[05:32] <richard> try this
[05:32] <_david> E: Couldn't find package bum
[05:32] <jmg> hey guys
[05:32] <jmg> hey guys
[05:32] <richard> so you put sudo apt-get install bum
[05:32] <richard> is that what you put down
[05:33] <richard> _david
[05:33] <_david> Yes
[05:33] <richard> ! bum
[05:33] <ubotu> bum is probably a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[05:33] <thoreauputic> !info bum breezy
[05:33] <ubotu> bum: (tool to manage bootup scripts), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.3.2-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 348 kB
[05:33] <thoreauputic> in breezy, bum is in universe
[05:33] <kkathman> _david: do you get an error?
[05:33] <jmg> i am seeing that the latest kubuntu iso doesnt link /usr/lib/X11
[05:34] <richard> what do you exactly use bum for
[05:34] <_jeremy> im not real sure what im doing here considering ive never done this kind of thing before.  Im in sources.list, what do i do to add the repositories for universe and multiverse?
[05:34] <_david> Hold on, let me start from the begining...
[05:34] <richard> to boot from windows to ubuntu
[05:34] <jmg> in ld.so
[05:34] <jmg> and doesnt obey ld.so.conf
[05:34] <thoreauputic> !tell _jeremy about repos
[05:34] <kkathman> _jeremy: take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[05:35] <_david> I turned off systemlog in the "system services" because I thought I could save some HDD reads.  Now I can't seem to load the "system services" list any more, my package manager is acting cooky and a coupld of other things are being bizzare
[05:35] <kkathman> _david: To start syslog from the konsole:  sudo invoke-rc.d sysklogd start
[05:36] <_jeremy> i dont have synaptic, so that doesnt help much
[05:36] <jmg> invoke-rc.d havent seen that before
[05:36] <_david> [fail]  :-(
[05:36] <kkathman> _jeremy: read further on that page I sent you
[05:36] <_jeremy> forgive me for my ignorance, im a windows user trying to convert
[05:37] <kkathman> _jeremy: then sudo gedit etc/apt/sources.list and make yours look like that on that page
[05:37] <orugo> hey
[05:37] <laszlok> Is there anyway to do a FULL upgrade from hoary to breezy?
[05:37] <kkathman> laszlok: sure
[05:37] <richard> ok, is there anything new on breezy, as in new packages, that will make me want to upgrade
[05:37] <richard> someone tell me this
[05:38] <orugo> whats the best gmail notifier?
[05:38] <richard> the one on firefox
[05:38] <_david> I'm going to restart my session and then try to start the log again
[05:38] <_david> brb
[05:38] <kkathman> laszlok: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[05:38] <richard> im on that site
[05:38] <orugo> richard: i have to have firefox opened?
[05:38] <richard> yeah
[05:38] <orugo> oh
[05:38] <orugo> but i want an applet or somethign
[05:38] <richard> there isnt any gmail notifiers for linux yet
[05:39] <richard> that is a .exe fie
[05:39] <richard> file
[05:39] <orugo> i have one
[05:39] <orugo> kcheck mail
[05:39] <richard> ok
[05:39] <orugo> but it doesnt works .. dont know why
[05:39] <richard> well google that and find out how then
[05:39] <icewt> laszlok: i'd do a clean install even there is a way to upgrade. less problems that way
[05:39] <richard> my gmail notifier on firefox works great
[05:39] <orugo> well
[05:39] <orugo> ill try it
[05:39] <orugo> tks!
[05:39] <kkathman> icewt: dont say that
[05:40] <kkathman> icewt: I upgraded with absolutely no problems!
[05:40] <richard> yw
[05:40] <kkathman> just follow those instructions on that wiki page BY THE LETTER and you wont have a prob
[05:40] <icewt> kkathman: some things just won't be the way they would if a clean install was made
[05:40] <laszlok> cause apt-get dist-upgrade did most things but not stuff like adept and guidance
[05:41] <richard> are there any new programs on breezy i need to know about
[05:41] <richard> and i have looked at the breezy update site
[05:41] <kkathman> icewt: but tweaking the little things is much easier than a full install and having to restore apps etc.
[05:41] <icewt> kkathman: they may be more of annoyances than problems, but anyway
[05:41] <richard> have you tried to go on synaptics and fix broken packages
[05:41] <richard> icewt
[05:41] <kkathman> icewt: I absolutely couldnt reinstall...that kind of defeats the purpose of the upgrade :)
[05:42] <richard> sometimes that will install what you need to get things to work
[05:42] <richard> sometimes it wont
[05:42] <richard> but its better than starting over
[05:43] <kkathman> richard:  I think alot of people didnt make sure they had the ubuntu-core stuff or the kubuntu core stuff either before they upgraded
[05:43] <richard> you dont learn anything by doing that, now do we?
[05:43] <icewt> kkathman: well, i've broken my debian too many times with dist-upgrade, so i wanted to make sure there won't be problems with ubuntu :)
[05:43] <richard> ok
[05:43] <richard> and?
[05:43] <kkathman> icewt: If you dont have much installed in hoary, and no apps or data, then ok do the clean breezy install and then do an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:44] <richard> ive upgrade to breezy once, when it was still in beta
[05:44] <richard> it was ok
[05:44] <Jacko> I'm trying to run a configure script and it keeps on coming up with the error "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" I have installed the include files (I think, but I can't remember what they were) but it still doesn't work. Help! I'm trying to instal knetdockapp
[05:44] <richard> but where can i go to see a list of new programs that breezy offers
[05:44] <kkathman> richard: I waited till it was final, and surprisingly had no problems reall
[05:44] <kkathman> really
[05:44] <pospeselr> i've got a problem
[05:45] <richard> ok
[05:45] <icewt> kkathman: err... why not install straight kubuntu instead of going through gnome?
[05:45] <kkathman> richard:  do an alt-f2 then type khelpcenter, then choose the documents
[05:45] <richard> how do you type that to me and make it red, kkathman
[05:45] <thoreauputic> Jacko: try installing xlibs-dev
[05:45] <richard> i need to know that
[05:45] <kkathman> richard:  then look at the release nots
[05:45] <richard> ok
[05:45] <pospeselr> i'm working from a server install of kubuntu, and so far I've apt-get installed x-window-system-core and ssh-server
[05:45] <icewt> kkathman: anyway, i prefer clean install even if i have many apps installed. apt-getting is not that hard. but that's just me ;)
[05:46] <kkathman> richard:  just put your or my name somewhere in the text
[05:46] <richard> like this
[05:46] <kkathman> icewt: suit yourself, but its lots of work :)
[05:46] <pospeselr> when I try to apt-get install kdebase it gives me an error
[05:46] <richard> kkathman:   is this right
[05:46] <kkathman> richard:  BINGO :)
[05:46] <richard> cool
[05:46] <richard> thx
[05:47] <icewt> kkathman: it's also nice to get rid of all the old jund that has been installed over time :P
[05:47] <kkathman> richard: if you dont know, you can just start spelling my name...such as kkat  then hit the tab key and it should finish the name for you
[05:47] <Abysmal> evening all... just installed 5.10.. but cant find php or mysql in the apt-get list... any ideas??
[05:47] <kkathman> icewt: apt-get is good for that too :)
[05:47] <richard> icewt:   look dude, if you cant hack it like us pros, then you should go back to winsucks
[05:47] <pospeselr> error I get is here: http://pastebin.com/397152
[05:48] <kkathman> Abysmal: Try going to the Xampp web site and look at that...its the best php-mysql solution
[05:48] <richard> icewt:  reinstalling isnt a pro thing, fixing it is
[05:48] <icewt> richard: er.. ok :D
[05:48] <icewt> richard: i've fixed enough stuff in debian, thank you very much :)
[05:48] <kkathman> Abysmal: here it is http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html
[05:48] <richard> me too, and slackware, red hat, and mac os x and mac os 9
[05:49] <richard> icewt:  so i know alot of things myself, thank you very much
[05:49] <kkathman> Abysmal: its the easiest way to get Apache, PHP and MySQL installed...painless
[05:50] <richard> icewt:  its just that i forget things from time to time, and i come here to figure out what i forgot
[05:50] <pospeselr> hello?
[05:50] <kkathman> pospeselr: hello!
[05:51] <Abysmal> thanks for the info... why isn't available via apt-get lik it is on ubuntu??
[05:51] <kkathman> richard: we all need help now and again, we arent competing just helping each other...I forgot the stupid apt-cache today for crying out loud!!
[05:51] <Jacko> thoreauputic: Yahoo! thank you again wise person who knows all
[05:51] <pospeselr> Anyone have any ideas about my kdebase problem?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Jacko: heheh - not all by any means - I've been there is all ;)
[05:52] <kkathman> Abysmal: probably because its so much of a hastle to download Apache, then php then MySQL, I just tell everyon to do the Xampp thing...its so simple that anyone can do it :)
[05:52] <kkathman> thoreauputic: wise person that knows all??? Really??
[05:53] <kkathman> the only thing I know is the secret to the meaning of life...and thats 42.
[05:53] <thoreauputic> Jacko: rule #1 --> when compiling, if it says something is missing, search for packages with -dev suffix
[05:53] <thoreauputic> kkathman: ah, that's the  answer - but what is the question ?
[05:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:54] <richard> is there anyting that can make kubuntu talk to you
[05:54] <richard> like tell you a joke or something
[05:54] <richard> like mac os x does
[05:54] <icewt-> hm.. freenode seems to be unstable today, or then it's just me. anyway, my intetion was not to start a fight here. richard can fix as much as he wants ;)
[05:54] <wotnarg> richard: fortune?
[05:55] <richard> icewt:  thats ok, im having a bad day anyways, but its not you
[05:55] <richard> wotnarg:  whats fortune?
[05:55] <Jacko>  thoreauputic: cheers
[05:56] <richard> ! fortune
[05:56] <ubotu> richard: Do they come in packets of five?
[05:56] <thoreauputic> !info fortune
[05:56] <thoreauputic> ah, there's no fortune package
[05:56] <thoreauputic> :(
[05:56] <thoreauputic> apt-cache search fortune ?
[05:56] <wotnarg> richard: a program that gives fortune -- jokes, quotes, etc
[05:57] <wotnarg> fortunes*
[05:57] <_jeremy> i just downloaded the w32codecs to my desktop, how do i install them?
[05:57] <richard> _jeremy:  you dont install them
[05:58] <_jeremy> then what exactly do with the file i just downloaded?
[05:58] <kkathman> ! w32codecs
[05:58] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[05:58] <thoreauputic> aha
[05:58] <thoreauputic> !info fortunes
[05:58] <ubotu> fortunes: (Data files containing fortune cookies), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 1:1.99.1-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 1075 kB, Installed size: 2748 kB
[05:59] <kkathman> lol
[05:59] <richard> _jeremy: you go to terminal and put sudo mv home/yourname/desktop/filename /usr/lib/win32
[05:59] <kkathman> the things we do for diversion :)
[05:59] <thoreauputic> !info fortune-mod
[05:59] <kkathman> we are truly attention deficit :)
[05:59] <ubotu> fortune-mod: (provides fortune cookies on demand), section games, is optional. Version: 1:1.99.1-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 148 kB
[05:59] <richard> _jeremy:  but put all of the codecs into a win32 folder on your desktop before you move them
[05:59] <thoreauputic> those two are needed for fortunes it appears
[05:59] <richard> _jeremy:  ok
[06:00] <_jeremy> so i need all 5 of those files?  or just the one called w32codecs?
[06:01] <richard> _jeremy:  where did you get those
[06:01] <_jeremy> from the tinyurl link from above for breezy ^^^
[06:01] <richard> ! info mplayer
[06:01] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, richard
[06:01] <richard> dang
[06:01] <thoreauputic> hmm - there's a minimal fortunes called fortune-min as well (the things apt-cache search and dpkg -l reveal! )
[06:01] <kkathman> lol
[06:01] <richard> ! mplayer
[06:01] <ubotu> from memory, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[06:01] <thoreauputic> richard: no space
[06:02] <thoreauputic> !info molayer-586
[06:02] <richard> oh
[06:02] <thoreauputic> haha
[06:02] <thoreauputic> !info mplayer-586
[06:02] <richard> !info mplayer
[06:02] <ubotu> mplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9 (breezy), Packaged size: 3670 kB, Installed size: 7928 kB
[06:02] <thoreauputic> richard: th emplayer package is actually a set of packages
[06:02] <richard> _jeremy needs w32codecs, and im trying to tell him where i got mine
[06:02] <thoreauputic> 386. 586 etc
[06:03] <thoreauputic> !w32codecs
[06:03] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[06:03] <richard> oh yeah
[06:03] <richard> i forgot about that
[06:03] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:03] <richard> _jeremy are u getting this
[06:03] <richard> !w32codecs
[06:03] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[06:04] <foodcoman> My repos seem to be acting up!  Grrrrr.
[06:04] <thoreauputic> w32codecs is really just a tarball of codecs that lives in /usr/libw32 or something like that
[06:04] <richard> i told how to fix that earlier
[06:04] <thoreauputic> expanded of course
[06:04] <richard> the repos
[06:04] <richard> /usr/lib/win32 actually
[06:05] <richard> did anyone here do what i typed to fix your repos
[06:05] <geno_> Hello everyone
[06:05] <thoreauputic> richard: yup - correct :)
[06:05] <geno_> Can anyone remind of the command to get KDE on ubuntu?
[06:05] <foodcoman> I am searching in history.
[06:06] <kkathman> foodcoman: what seems to be the problem?
[06:06] <richard> thoreauputic:  would that be the right way to fix the repos though
[06:06] <thoreauputic> geno_:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:06] <thoreauputic> richard: sorry I didn't catch that bit...
[06:06] <geno_> Thanks!
[06:07] <Jacko> how do you unlock? debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[06:07] <kkathman> richard: something wrong with the repos?
[06:07] <geno_> So, it will get all Kubuntu packages?
[06:07] <kkathman> Jacko: maybe you need to use sudo?
[06:07] <thoreauputic> Jacko: you probably have two instances of apt running
[06:07] <kkathman> geno_: yes it will
[06:07] <foodcoman> Found richard comment so he wont be mad!   ;-)
[06:08] <foodcoman> Remove univ and multi then add them back.  Gets new sig.
[06:08] <richard> thoreauputic:  i told everyone earlier that to fix their repos was to go to synaptic and to remove their universe and multiverse and backport repos, and then to remove the key thats messed up, then to add them back and add the backport so the repos would be fixed
[06:08] <thoreauputic> !gpgerr
[06:08] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[06:09] <thoreauputic> that's quicker
[06:09] <richard> thoreaputic:  that didnt work, but my method did
[06:09] <kkathman> seems I saw that earlier :)
[06:09] <kkathman> any port in a storm :)
[06:09] <thoreauputic> richard: hmm - worked for me
[06:09] <thoreauputic> richard: however, whatever works :)
[06:09] <richard> thoreauputic: yeah
[06:09] <kkathman> I dont like synaptic personally :)
[06:10] <kkathman> but thats just me
[06:10] <geno_> What's the difference with Kynaptic?
[06:10] <richard> !kynaptic
[06:10] <thoreauputic> of course, you can just ignore the error - you know where the repos are anyway and apt still works
[06:10] <ubotu> richard: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:10] <richard> dang it
[06:10] <kkathman> Kynaptic is Synaptic with a K
[06:10] <richard> yeah
[06:10] <richard> what you said
[06:10] <kkathman> ! kynaptic
[06:10] <ubotu> kkathman: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:11] <kkathman> not an entry I guess richard :)
[06:11] <thoreauputic> an epidemic of spaces...
[06:11] <richard> !info kynaptic
[06:11] <ubotu> kynaptic: (Graphical package manager), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1:0.55+cvs20050115-0ubuntu8 (breezy), Packaged size: 288 kB, Installed size: 1112 kB
[06:11] <richard> there u go
[06:11] <kkathman> ah gotta have that info in there
[06:11] <geno_> When I try to get Kubuntu packages it shows me this:
[06:11] <geno_> 0 mis  jour, 139 nouvellement installs, 0  enlever et 0 non mis  jour.
[06:11] <geno_> E: Impossible de verrouiller /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Ressource temporairement non disponible)
[06:11] <geno_> E: Impossible de verrouiller le rpertoire de tlchargement
[06:11] <kkathman> thoreauputic: but for w32codecs it was a ! and a space
[06:11] <thoreauputic> kkathman: also you introduced a space
[06:11] <geno_> basically, it can't "lock" the repertories
[06:11] <jbroome> there's your problem.  it's in french
[06:12] <kkathman> ! w32codecs
[06:12] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[06:12] <thoreauputic> kkathman: no..
[06:12] <kkathman> see?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> !w32codecs
[06:12] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[06:12] <thoreauputic> ^^
[06:12] <kkathman> well it worked my way too :)
[06:12] <richard> yeah
[06:12] <thoreauputic> hmm
[06:12] <richard> it did
[06:12] <geno_> It says it can't lock the folder
[06:12] <thoreauputic> so it did :)
[06:12] <richard> its picky
[06:12] <kkathman> lol
[06:12] <kkathman> nya nya :)
[06:12] <richard> a picky bot
[06:12] <geno_> At least you know it's in french, not in spanish or some other thing :d
[06:12] <kkathman> ROFL
[06:12] <richard> weird
[06:12] <thoreauputic> usually the space is an error
[06:12] <kkathman> its fun
[06:13] <kkathman> I think the parse looks for an ! and thats it
[06:13] <richard> ubotu:  !language
[06:13] <ubotu> richard: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:13] <geno_> What do I do?
[06:13] <geno_> To "unlock" the folder?
[06:13] <kkathman> geno_: did you do a sudo apt-get ??
[06:13] <thoreauputic> geno_: did you use "sudo" ?
[06:13] <geno_> yes
[06:13] <kkathman> ^5s thoreauputic
[06:14] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:14] <geno_> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:14] <kkathman> brilliant minds in the same gutter
[06:14] <geno_> exactly this
[06:14] <_jeremy> ok, i got the w32codecs moved to /usr/lib/win32, now what?
[06:14] <thoreauputic> geno_: do you have synaptic or kynaptic running? If so, close them
[06:14] <jesusfish> how do I make it so users can't browse out of their home dirs?
[06:14] <richard> !reaktivate
[06:14] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, richard
[06:14] <DigitalHobbit> since you mention sudo: can someone help me with some sudo issues? i installed kubuntu yesterday (switched from gentoo). now sudo doesn't seem to work, neither from the console nor from KDE. oddly, "su" works...
[06:14] <kkathman> jesusfish: you'
[06:14] <kkathman> oops
[06:14] <richard> where can i find reaktivate at
[06:14] <richard> to install on here
[06:15] <richard> on my computer
[06:15] <kkathman> jesusfish: you'll need to set the priviledges on the users and the directories
[06:15] <richard> !info reaktivate
[06:15] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: you used the "expert" install, yes?
[06:15] <geno_> Arg, I wanna try out KDE...
[06:15] <DigitalHobbit> yes, i did
[06:15] <kkathman> jesusfish: read up a little on chown and chmod
[06:15] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: that's why
[06:15] <jesusfish> kkathman: shouldn't that be default though?
[06:15] <richard> thoreauputic:  what do you know about reaktivate
[06:15] <_jeremy> richard, i moved the w32codecs file to /usr/lib/win32 like you said, now what do i do?  im kind of lost
[06:15] <kkathman> jesusfish: nope...only if you create that way to begin with
[06:15] <DigitalHobbit> so only the standard install sets up sudo?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: you need to add your user to the admin group
[06:16] <kkathman> brb...gonna get some water..
[06:16] <richard> _jeremy:  now play a movie file
[06:16] <DigitalHobbit> looks like he is, though. at leaat in the group file i'm in the "adm" group
[06:16] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: yes, the expert install assumes you know what you are doing ;P
[06:16] <DigitalHobbit> wrong assumption, i guess :)
[06:16] <richard> _jeremy:  what program do you watch movie files one
[06:16] <richard> on
[06:16] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit:  adduser <user> admin
[06:16] <thoreauputic> as root
[06:17] <geno_> Arg! Anyone know what I need to do?
[06:18] <thoreauputic> geno_: did you check if kynaptic or synaptic are running? Or another instance of apt?
[06:18] <DigitalHobbit> i just tried that. it tells me the "admin" group does not exist. but looking at /etc/group, i am already in the "adm" group
[06:18] <_jeremy> um, apparently im trying to use mplayer
[06:18] <geno_> Yeah I did
[06:18] <geno_> but I'll try again
[06:18] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit:  man sudoers && visudo
[06:18] <_jeremy> im told i can view streaming video meant for windows media player in it
[06:18] <DigitalHobbit> thoreauputic: thanks, will dig into it...
[06:18] <richard> _jeremy:  do you have kaffine
[06:18] <richard> really
[06:19] <richard> _jeremy
[06:19] <_jeremy> yes
[06:19] <geno_> Same thing.
[06:20] <richard> where can i find the repos that has mplayer on it
[06:20] <richard> thoreauputic
[06:20] <thoreauputic> richard: it's in multiverse
[06:20] <richard> ok
[06:21] <thoreauputic> !info mplayer-586
[06:21] <ubotu> mplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9 (breezy), Packaged size: 3670 kB, Installed size: 7928 kB
[06:21] <DigitalHobbit> thoreauputic: so the issue might be in my sudoers file. only root has an entry here. should there be an entry for the "adm" group?
[06:21] <thoreauputic> richard: apt-cache search mplayer
[06:21] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: no, for the "admin" group
[06:21] <geno_> I tried with Thunderbird and it does the same thing!
[06:22] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: which is another group - you might have to create it
[06:22] <DigitalHobbit> thoreauputic: ok, thanks
[06:22] <geno_> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:22] <geno_> E: Impossible de verrouiller /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Ressource temporairement non disponible)
[06:22] <geno_> E: Impossible de verrouiller le rpertoire de tlchargement
[06:22] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: else just add your user to /etc/sudoers with the visudo command
[06:22] <_jeremy> how do i enter a url into kaffine or mplayer to get it to play streaming video?
[06:23] <richard> file, then open url
[06:23] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: the problem is you used the "expert" install :)
[06:23] <DigitalHobbit> thoreauputic: *sigh*... :)
[06:24] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[06:24] <DigitalHobbit> thoreauputic: i just don't trust default installs. i feel i might be missing some important options.
[06:24] <_jeremy> what about with mplayer, it doesnt have a file or open url that i see
[06:24] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: look on the bright side - you'll learn how to use the sudoers file :)
[06:25] <_jeremy> when i try to put the link in Kaffeine, it tells me that there isnt a URL handler implimented
[06:25] <richard> ok
[06:25] <richard> you just want to stream
[06:25] <richard> is that right
[06:27] <_jeremy> yes
[06:27] <_jeremy> for now that is
[06:28] <geno_> My thing is working now.
[06:30] <jesusfish> kkathman: what should most dirs be, permission wise?
[06:31] <mcquaid> hello, anyone successfully compile a kde/qt app in breezy?  I can't seem to compile a qt program even though I have all the dev files
[06:32] <kkathman> jesusfish: that depends on what you have in mind
[06:32] <mcquaid> never had this issue compiling stuff in hoary, i noticed a lot of dev stuff got removed in the upgrade, but i've already reinstalled them
[06:32] <jesusfish> kkathman: it's my server
[06:32] <mcquaid> right now I get this Set $QTDIR to the Qt directory, eg. /usr/lib/qt3
[06:32] <kkathman> jesusfish: well certainly not 777
[06:32] <kkathman> lol
[06:33] <mcquaid> i've tried passing the qtdir setting on configure but it then fails on another qt error
[06:33] <jesusfish> kkathman: obviously
[06:33] <jesusfish> kkathman: I had thought mine was setup better by default
[06:33] <kkathman> jesusfish: if you are monitoring a server, your directories and files are important, but what your permissions are for your users are probably more important
[06:33] <jesusfish> kkathman: but it looks like most are 755, which is pretty bad security wise
[06:34] <jesusfish> kkathman: not too many users
[06:34] <kkathman> jesusfish: you know about the chown command?
[06:34] <jesusfish> kkathman: ya, I've been using linux for like 9 years now
[06:34] <thoreauputic> root_: *sigh* you should *not* IRC as root
[06:35] <jesusfish> kkathman: I'm quite competent, just not sure what people would considered proper
[06:35] <jesusfish> kkathman: did a quick google search, but nothing really stands out to say what it should be setup as
[06:35] <kkathman> jesusfish: best to do a matrix and determine how you want to segregate the user files, then it could be as simple as just chowning them to that directory I suppose
[06:36] <kkathman> jesusfish: first do your segregation and then files I think
[06:36] <kkathman> jesusfish: I dont have much experience in the security area, so maybe thoreauputic  or richard might have suggestions
[06:36] <aliveuser> does anyone know the name of the java sdk 1.5 name in apt-get?
[06:36] <jesusfish> kkathman: ya, my users stuff is fine, not a concern at all
[06:37] <aliveuser> in breezy
[06:37] <jesusfish> kkathman: they own their stuff
[06:38] <xtacocorex> anyone able to get the compilers installed in breezy, my laptop's harddrive crashed yesterday and i had to get a new one, i was running hoary before, but now it's saying that it won't install and if i try to remove it, it wants to remove most everything
[06:38] <kkathman> jesusfish: do your users have groups?
[06:39] <kkathman> jesusfish: i.e. are they assigned a group
[06:40] <xtacocorex> synaptic was saying that there were dependency errors, but i uncommented all the repos except for back-ports
[06:40] <jesusfish> kkathman: I barely have users
[06:41] <jesusfish> kkathman: it's basically used for me and as a mail server
[06:41] <jesusfish> kkathman: and my mail server is all using mySQL
[06:41] <jesusfish> kkathman: so no actual users for it
[06:41] <kkathman> jesusfish: ok, well I'd say you can get by on minimal stuff then
[06:42] <kkathman> jesusfish: obviously you have owners, groups and others...same for directories.
[06:42] <richard> i cant remember how to move files around with terminal
[06:42] <richard> what do i type again
[06:42] <jesusfish> kkathman: yes, I know the basics
[06:42] <icewt-> hm.. is there a ftp client in the base install of kubuntu?
[06:42] <jesusfish> kkathman: I know Linux quite well
[06:43] <kkathman> so if you want certain files to be used by a group of users, then you need to set those users in a group and then set the file permissions accordingly
[06:43] <jesusfish> kkathman: all I really need to know what permissions dirs other than home dirs need
[06:43] <xtacocorex> richard: mv will move files, and allows for renaming; cp will copy files
[06:43] <kkathman> jesusfish: typically...I'd say that would be rwxrw-r--
[06:43] <jesusfish> kkathman: but should all users be able to read, say, /etc?
[06:44] <jesusfish> kkathman: like really, should a normal user be able to browse a system?
[06:44] <kkathman> jesusfish: probably not
[06:44] <jesusfish> kkathman: then 755 would be too loose
[06:45] <kkathman> jesusfish:  so you are thinking that some directories should be, say 700 ?
[06:45] <jesusfish> kkathman: I'm thinking maybe 711
[06:45] <kkathman> oops yes 711 sorry
[06:46] <kkathman> 755 would be too lax I'd think
[06:46] <kkathman> but its possible that, say, data files you'll have to put at 755
[06:46] <jesusfish> ya
[06:47] <satafterh> any one know what this means, i am trying to play a dvd rip avi: xine: couldn't find demux
[06:50] <kkathman> greetings chavo :)
[06:50] <chavo> hello
[06:50] <aliveuser> does anyone know the apt-get package of (java)jdk 1.5??
[06:51] <aliveuser> theres just the jdk 1.4.2
[06:55] <kkathman> well Im out for the night...cyall
[06:58] <DigitalHobbit> thoreauputic: woohoo, now i'm in business. sudo works from shell and kde. thanks again.
[06:58] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: :D
[06:58] <thoreauputic> DigitalHobbit: no worries :)
[07:00] <DigitalHobbit> so what's the best gui based package manager for kubuntu? adept or kynaptic?
[07:00] <DigitalHobbit> (hope i'm not starting a flame war)
[07:02] <chavo> DigitalHobbit, I prefer synaptic personally
[07:04] <DigitalHobbit> chavo: what specifically does it offer that adept or kynaptic don't have? i'm trying to stick with kde apps, although i might go with synaptic if the payoff is big enough.
[07:04] <symbulos> hi there! kubuntu newbie here
[07:04] <chavo> DigitalHobbit, it's been in development longer, and to me I prefer the interface
[07:05] <chavo> you only need a couple of dependencies to install it
[07:05] <chavo> plus if you install gtk-qt engine, it looks just like a kde app.
[07:05] <symbulos> We are pretty desperate, connection are very slow here (very rural england). Can anyone send CD with the new version? I will pay postage.
[07:05] <DigitalHobbit> i hadn't heard of gtk-qt before. sounds promising.
[07:05] <symbulos> and CCDs of course
[07:06] <chavo> just my opinion of course, I mostly use apt from command line anyway
[07:06] <Mqueue> I can't seem to install RealPlayer on my KDE ?
[07:07] <chavo> symbulos, there are a couple of places on the net that will do it. postage plus a buck or two
[07:07] <symbulos> can you point me to any of them?
[07:08] <chavo> symbulos, search cheap linux cds, on google
[07:08] <chavo> not sure which ones ship to England
[07:09] <chavo> symbulos, http://www.linuxcd.org/ they have it for $1.99 american and ship worldwide
[07:10] <symbulos> chavo: thanks
[07:10] <chavo> no problem
[07:10] <symbulos> will try with cheap linux, I think it is in england
[07:10] <chavo> cool
[07:11] <aliveuser> if a env variable its exported, it'll stays after restart?
[07:11] <chavo> aliveuser, put it in your ~/.bashrc
[07:11] <symbulos> aliveuser: no, unless you put it in one of the config files, as far as I know
[07:11] <aliveuser> perfect
[07:11] <aliveuser> tnks guys
[07:12] <symbulos> as chavo just said
[07:13] <DigitalHobbit> ok, more problems: i'm trying to install some updates as well as the fglrx ati driver, but there are some http failures. and when i try to do an apt-get update, it complains about an invalid signature. any ideas?
[07:13] <chavo> !gpgerr
[07:13] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[07:14] <chavo> little bug in the update
[07:14] <DigitalHobbit> !gpgerr
[07:14] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[07:14] <DigitalHobbit> thanks
[07:15] <symbulos> chavo: cheaplinux does sell kubunt 5.10 cds
[07:16] <symbulos> chavo: http://www.cheeplinux.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=43&products_id=337&osCsid=b28d38bf4dae6fe58e935d1bf8b85614
[07:22] <mmahmood> !mplayer
[07:22] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[07:23] <propagandhi> *ubotu* tell me about ati
[07:24] <propagandhi> !ati
[07:24] <ubotu> well, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[07:31] <satafterh> hello, does anyone know how to unistall kde 3.5 amd revert back to 3.4.3
[07:34] <Tm_T> :(
[07:34] <Tm_T> satafterh: why?
[07:37] <satafterh> #Tm_T- having aloy of crashes
[07:37] <satafterh> not system, apps
[07:39] <Tm_T> strange
[07:39] <Tm_T> have you reported it?
[07:39] <satafterh> i realy dont know how, very new
[07:40] <Tm_T> !bugs
[07:40] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:40] <satafterh> mosyly knqueror
[07:40] <satafterh> konqueror
[07:40] <Tm_T> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> how do i get icons on the desktop ?
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> system, trash, etc ?
[08:02] <aftertaf> morning all
[08:02] <Hobbsee> afternoon aftertaf :)
[08:03] <aftertaf> morning :)
[08:03] <aftertaf> hows Hobbsee this fine GetrelativeTime(Hobbsee) ?
[08:03] <Hobbsee> lol
[08:03] <Hobbsee> dizzy?
[08:04] <Hobbsee> apart from that, good
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> shit! gtk qt engine still doesnt work as root !!
[08:04] <Hobbsee> oh, and supposed to be studying
[08:04] <aftertaf> lol
[08:05] <aftertaf> what you study again? i think i asked, but i just got up :D
[08:05] <Hobbsee> final high school exams, did an english paper yesterday, next one on thurs
[08:06] <Hobbsee> after that, there's 2 maths ones, a physics and a chemistry one
[08:06] <chavo> da_bon_bon, works for me
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> chavo: :( i even did kdesu kcontrol
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> and set it up
[08:08] <chavo> da_bon_bon, I'm not using kubuntu packages though. That might make a difference with kdesu
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> then which packages ?
[08:08] <chavo> I built it myself
[08:09] <chavo> did you try just copying your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 to /root
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> i did that.
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> chavo: you BUILT kde ?!
[08:10] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  oh yeah, finals as in all subjects ;)
[08:10] <chavo> I build it every couple of days
[08:10] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: that's the one
[08:10] <aftertaf> chavo:  respect :)
[08:10] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  respect 2
[08:10] <chavo> I run the 3.5 branch from svn
[08:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:11] <chavo> it's not that difficult, I've been running Linux for years
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> chavo: woo hoo! cvs looks kew
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> *kewl
[08:12] <aftertaf> chavo:  when you build a tarball and do the ./autogen .... make install thing, it just replaces the binaries from the last build, right?
[08:12] <chavo> well things break sometimes also, kmail broke on me and I didn't fix it for aslmost two days
[08:12] <chavo> aftertaf, yes as long as you configure it to place them in he same spot
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: which website ?
[08:13] <chavo> I put my builds in /home/kde, doesn't interfere with system stuff and I have /home on a huge partition
[08:13] <aftertaf> chavo:  ok. ad if i want to remove a package? make uninstall is not always present...
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> chavo: you dont make packages ?
[08:13] <chavo> aftertaf, cool, I got it running here also
[08:14] <aftertaf> chavo:  hehe, not all works, but it works enough to drool over every day :D
[08:14] <chavo> da_bon_bon, no I like to keep the development version separate
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> ok, chakie
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> :!
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> chavo.
[08:14] <chavo> everyone does that :)
[08:14] <chavo> who's this chakie guy anyway?
[08:15] <aftertaf> lol
[08:15] <aftertaf> is there a simplish way to remove a make installed tarball?
[08:15] <chavo> just run make uninstall in the directory
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> chavo: :)
[08:16] <aftertaf> does make uninstall always exist?
[08:17] <chavo> yes, autotools handles all of that when you run configure
[08:17] <aftertaf> nice :)
[08:17] <chavo> of course I'm not supposed to suggest building stuff from source in here
[08:18] <chavo> so don't do it!
[08:18] <da_bon_bon> aftertaf: which site helped you build e17 ?
[08:18] <chavo> there's instructions somewhere on e's site
[08:18] <chavo> well it tells you build order at least, lots of libs to build to get it running
[08:20] <da_bon_bon> ok.
[08:20] <ca5s4va> halo everyone
[08:21] <ca5s4va> i want to upgrade my hoary into breezy .....
[08:21] <ca5s4va> i change all 'hoary' become 'breezy'
[08:21] <haffe> Yes.
[08:21] <ca5s4va> apt-get update    and  then   apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:21] <haffe> Yes.
[08:22] <ca5s4va> are those steps correct ?
[08:22] <haffe> Yes.
[08:22] <ca5s4va> ok ... tq