[05:42] <HedgeMage> awfully quiet in here...
[05:47] <HedgeMage> heh
[05:58] <HedgeMage> hi Amaranth
[06:02] <Amaranth> hi
[06:02] <Amaranth> (late)
[06:02] <HedgeMage> l-r-m ?
[06:02] <Amaranth> i'm going to use it on dapper, it's supposed to have support for my card reader
[06:03] <Amaranth> linux-restricted-modules
[06:03] <HedgeMage> ahh
[06:03] <Amaranth> and maybe my laptop will hibernate correctly
[06:03] <HedgeMage> :)
[06:05] <Amaranth> my grandpa is so excited
[06:05] <Amaranth> i have him my mac mini
[06:05] <HedgeMage> :)
[06:05] <Amaranth> it's running OS X, but that's because i know iPhoto works
[06:05] <Amaranth> and he takes a lot of pictures
[06:05] <Amaranth> he even got one of those expensive HP Photosmart printers
[06:06] <Amaranth> he was up about an hour later than normal playing with it :)
[06:06] <Amaranth> and he even let me sit in his chair in the living room :P
[06:06] <HedgeMage> hehe :)
[06:12] <HedgeMage> :(
[06:12] <HedgeMage> bbl TT needs me
[06:13] <Yagisan> she doesn't need me to pick up her lego.  Very difficult and stubbon
[06:15] <Amaranth> yes, i know that :P
[06:16] <Amaranth> but i dunno why they call it terrible two, they get worse as they get older
[06:16] <Yagisan> Amaranth: you have kids yet ?
[06:16] <bimberi> yep, our oldest is 9 and is still difficult and stubborn
[06:17] <Amaranth> nope
[06:17] <Yagisan> I see it as practice for "teenager"
[06:17] <Amaranth> one of my older cousins does
[06:17] <Amaranth> he has 3 year old twins
[06:17] <Yagisan> ouch
[06:17] <Yagisan> -ENOSLEEP
[06:18] <Amaranth> they just keep saying "no!" and run around grabbing things whenever i see them
[06:18] <Yagisan> no more kids for me. I need sleep (and some money)
[06:18] <Yagisan> Amaranth: mine say no! in two languages
[06:18] <Amaranth> haha
[06:18] <Amaranth> that reminds me
[06:19] <Amaranth> one of the primary schools here is going to teach spanish/english for the first 6 years of school
[06:19] <Amaranth> if you know english you learn spanish, if you know spanish you learn english
[06:19] <Amaranth> and by age 11 you know both equally
[06:21] <Yagisan> my kids will hate me
[06:21] <Yagisan> the get two difficult languages
[06:21] <Yagisan> s/the/they
[06:21] <Yagisan> with nothing in common
[06:21] <Amaranth> what two?
[06:21] <Yagisan> not even sentence order
[06:22] <Amaranth> spanish and english are pretty different two
[06:22] <Yagisan> English and Japanese ()
[06:22] <Amaranth> different sentence order, different grammar rules, etc
[06:22] <Amaranth> Yagisan: heh
[06:22] <Amaranth> in japanese schools you learn english anyway, don't you?
[06:23] <Yagisan> Amaranth: you do, but it's far from native
[06:23] <Yagisan> Amaranth: and usually a Americanised version
[06:23] <HedgeMage> Close, Yagisan... Toddling Tornado... he's 3 :)
[06:24] <Yagisan> Amaranth: which is completely and utterly incorrect here
[06:24] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: oh, I though he was 2
[06:24] <HedgeMage> lol
[07:17] <HedgeMage> hiya cbx33
[07:17] <HedgeMage> may I drop you a quick pm?
[07:19] <cbx33> sure
[07:23] <HedgeMage> cbx33: see pm for a dumb question :)
[07:27] <cbx33> bbl
[07:27] <HedgeMage> ok ttyl :)
[09:16] <cbx33> hey pygi
[09:16] <pygi> hey hey cbx33
[09:16] <pygi> how are you?
[09:18] <cbx33> yeh I'm good
[09:19] <cbx33> how are you?
[09:20] <pygi> great I am :)
[09:21] <cbx33> xcellent
[09:21] <cbx33> pygi: Iwas talking to someone about gisomount
[09:21] <jsgotangco> good morning cbx33
[09:21] <cbx33> and they wanted to contribute
[09:21] <cbx33> hi jsgotangco
[09:21] <pygi> cbx33, nice :)
[09:22] <cbx33> which is great, they started breaking out functions to sepereate include files
[09:22] <cbx33> but I don't really agree with some of the changes they made and wanted another opinion
[09:22] <pygi> well, you are the upstream :)
[09:22] <pygi> You decide what you want, really
[09:23] <pygi> your branch is main one, and you cherrypick what you think is appropriate
[09:24] <cbx33> yeh I know that :p
[09:24] <cbx33> but I wanted to know from someone with more experience what I should do
[09:24] <cbx33> I want to make it as good as possible
[09:24] <pygi> what changes have they made if I might know?
[09:25] <cbx33> well, it was all to do with moving functions to seperate files
[09:25] <cbx33> which I am all for, though not knowing if it is necessary for gisomount
[09:26] <pygi> If it's not big in scale, no need to separate it
[09:26] <pygi> but the organisation is always nice
[09:27] <cbx33> sure, and as I tried to explain it's not finished yet
[09:27] <cbx33> not even polished
[09:32] <pygi> :)
[09:55] <highvoltage> hey cbx33
[09:56] <cbx33> hi highvoltage
[09:58] <cbx33> how are you
[09:59] <highvoltage> i'm good thanks cbx33, have had little sleep this week, but it's been great :)
[09:59] <highvoltage> i hear you've been busy on gisomount and the rsync gui tool
[10:00] <LaserJock> hehe, have you been eavesdropping highvoltage ? ;-)
[10:00] <pygi> cbx33, o, rsync gui as well? :)
[10:02] <cbx33> pygi: yes
[10:03] <cbx33> highvoltage: yes I've been busy
[10:03] <pygi> cbx33, you are advancing fast :P
[10:03] <cbx33> not so much this week...was my wifes 21st birthday on tues
[10:03] <cbx33> I was off work yesterday as well
[10:03] <cbx33> but I'm gooing to get right back to work from today :D
[10:03] <cbx33> pygi: I'm trying
[10:03] <cbx33> how else am I going to get snapped up by Canonical :p
[10:03] <pygi> hehe :)
[10:03] <cbx33> or anyone else for that matter
[10:04] <cbx33> I want to leave this job
[10:04] <cbx33> it is fast becoming unsatisfying
[10:04] <pygi> ah, well :-/
[10:04] <cbx33> and I need more money
[10:04] <LaserJock> it can't be that unsatisfying as you seem to get to work on Edubuntu a lot at work ;-)
[10:04] <cbx33> not being greedy
[10:04] <cbx33> but my wife \nd I want to buy a house...
[10:05] <cbx33> LaserJock: true
[10:05] <cbx33> but I have other duties I'd rather not do
[10:05] <LaserJock> my problem is that I could probably get a job at Canonical if I wanted to, but I do like Chemistry
[10:06] <cbx33> you're lucky LaserJock
[10:06] <LaserJock> bah, I don't think it would be all that hard for you, if Canonical keeps going well
[10:06] <highvoltage> cbx33: yeah, at least your job gives you lot of time for other work :)
[10:07] <cbx33> highvoltage: it's true
[10:07] <highvoltage> but i can see how working for a school can be frustrating. i don't hink i would ever like to work for a school
[10:07] <cbx33> but I'd like to dedicate 100% of my time to ubuntu instead of replacing keyboards that spoilt little ****'s qreck every 5 minutes
[10:07] <cbx33> the vandalism is the most soul destroying
[10:08] <highvoltage> yeah, we have that in tuxlabs too, but you learn to get over it :)
[10:08] <cbx33> it's so frustrating
[10:08] <cbx33> these kids have everything they want....
[10:09] <cbx33> and yet they just can't seem to appreciate it
[10:09] <cbx33> I'm fedup with helping at this level
[10:09] <cbx33> I want to help on a larger scale
[10:09] <cbx33> start program to role edubuntu out to all the shcools in the world :D
[10:09] <highvoltage> that's quite normal (for people who have everything not to appreciate it)
[10:09] <highvoltage> people who have very little tend to appreciate things more.
[10:10] <cbx33> I knwo
[10:19] <jsgotangco> just don
[10:19] <jsgotangco> just don't expect too much or else you'll end up like someone
[02:02] <pc22> how can i remote my work-ubuntu from home? its in a lan?
[03:27] <bddebian> Hello
[03:45] <highvoltage> hi bddebian
[03:45] <highvoltage> where are you?
[03:46] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage
[03:47] <cbx33> hi highvoltage
[03:50] <bddebian> highvoltage: You mean what country?
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[03:52] <cbx33> hi bddebian
[04:02] <cbx33> anyone tried gmailfs?
[04:24] <cbx33> afternoon pygi
[04:25] <pygi> hey cbx33
[05:22] <lucasvo> anybody know why we have EOG, Gqview and GthumbImageviewer installed on edubuntu?
[05:22] <lucasvo> They seem to do the same.]
[06:46] <sebastian> Hi
[06:46] <sebastian> Edubuntu is rather nice
[06:46] <sebastian> so how are we going to get schools using that?
[06:47] <HedgeMage> :)
[06:47] <HedgeMage> Well, some already are :)
[06:47] <HedgeMage> hi Seveas
[06:47] <sebastian> uhmmmmmmmm I got Ubuntu,  KUbuntu,  and Edubuntu
[06:47] <HedgeMage> sebastian: the Cookbook will be the ultimate beginner's guide, we've got some advocacy stuff getting put together :)
[06:47] <sebastian> it seems to me that Edubuntu is just Ubuntu,  but with a differnet log in thing
[06:48] <sebastian> and Gnome splash screen
[06:48] <sebastian> and theme and icons and two rather nice backgrounds
[06:48] <sebastian> the cookbook what?
[06:48] <HedgeMage> it's a different selection of packages by default, and it has a fairly automagical LTSP setup in the installer
[06:48] <sebastian> are there any other differences?  that I have not noticed?
[06:49] <sebastian> well I installed edubuntu-desktop
[06:49] <sebastian> so I got a set up thing for it some where?
[06:49] <HedgeMage> setup thing for???
[06:49] <HedgeMage> once edubuntu-desktop is installed, it's there, it doesn't need extra setting up
[06:50] <Seveas> hi
[06:50] <sebastian> what did you mean by automagical LTSP set up?
[06:50] <sebastian> LTSP means?
[06:50] <sebastian> Long term supopurt?
[06:50] <HedgeMage> sory
[06:50] <HedgeMage> LTSP is the Linux thin client project
[06:50] <sebastian> which does?
[06:51] <HedgeMage> it reduces the hardware you need: set up one good server with lots of RAM and let a bunch of thin client (computers with almost no software on them) connect to the server... everything runs on the server
[06:52] <HedgeMage> the thin clients have very low requirements
[06:52] <sebastian> Hedgehog you work for Ubuntu?
[06:53] <pygi> Hedgehog????
[06:53] <pygi> HedgeMage, hey :)
[06:54] <sebastian> so edubuntu is easy for a school to set up on a network?
[06:55] <HedgeMage> hi pygi
[06:55] <HedgeMage> sebastian: nope, I'm just a volunteer
[06:55] <HedgeMage> sebastian: yep :)
[06:55] <sebastian> woudl be great if the schools around here would use Edubuntu :)
[06:56] <HedgeMage> where's "here" for you?
[06:56] <sebastian> uhmmmmm near Bristol in England
[06:57] <sebastian> back at the time I think my primary school was rather good for computing
[06:57] <LaserJock> there are lots of English schools using Edubuntu I think
[06:57] <sebastian> ,but now well
[06:57] <sebastian> I expect it's just a Microsoft school
[06:57] <sebastian> like most places are Micrsooft place
[06:57] <sebastian> altough at the tmie when I was there yes they started using Microsoft,  but I am talking about well the early 90's so
[06:57] <sebastian> I guess that was ok then
[06:58] <sebastian> as for my secondary school well the admins are morons I think
[06:58] <sebastian> as for college well
[06:58] <sebastian> the admins are morons for sure
[06:58] <sebastian> in fact I even went there before about trying to get them to install Firefox so on.  and well the guy was like
[06:58] <sebastian> well we don't care,  because we get paid to remove spyware
[06:59] <sebastian> that's the kind of thing he said
[06:59] <sebastian> which I think is discraceful
[06:59] <HedgeMage> :(
[06:59] <sebastian> loads of these network admins don't do their jobs properly at all hummmmmm
[07:00] <lucasvo> sebastian: at our school they say: The gov. pays us all the Hardware we need, Why switch to a thinclient environnment?
[07:00] <sebastian> Ubuntu is very good
[07:00] <sebastian> ,but
[07:00] <sebastian> people are so beeping ignorant
[07:00] <sebastian> hence why they don't use it
[07:01] <sebastian> and the more schools and companies so on using  open source the better :)
[07:01] <sebastian> expesially schools
[07:01] <sebastian> more hope with the younger generation I think
[07:01] <sebastian> ,because if they like it.  they will use at home
[07:02] <sebastian> where as the older generation use Microsoft,  because that's what they are used to and have used for years
[07:04] <sebastian> where is your school lucasvo and how old are you?
[07:11] <lucasvo> sebastian: in zurich
[07:11] <lucasvo> sebastian: www.hopro.ch
[07:11] <lucasvo> I am 16 years old
[07:11] <sebastian> what country is that
[07:11] <sebastian> some wehre in Europe
[07:12] <HedgeMage> hiya jsgotangco :)
[07:13] <jsgotangco> good evening HedgeMage
[07:13] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: got my laptop back, I'm off of hubby's windoze box, and I got my CoC sig sorted :)
[07:13] <jsgotangco> oh nice
[07:13] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: are you able to admit me to edubuntu-members now since I was voted in last meeting?
[07:13] <jsgotangco> hmmmm
[07:14] <jsgotangco> okay just confirmed with oli
[07:15] <HedgeMage> cool, I emailed him but I know he's busy in Paris
[07:15] <jsgotangco> he's just at my back
[07:15] <lucasvo> sebastian: switzerland :P
[07:15] <jsgotangco> busy? he's been like smoking for the rest of the sprint!
[07:15] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:15] <HedgeMage> rofl
[07:16] <jsgotangco> HedgeMage: done
[07:19] <HedgeMage> I have no clue
[07:19] <HedgeMage> and thanks, btw
[07:51] <HedgeMage> pontifex: connection problems?
[08:55] <DaSkreech> Does Edubuntu dapper still rely on gstreamer0.8?
[08:58] <crimsun> no, it uses the ubuntu base that migrated to gstreamer0.10
[09:00] <DaSkreech> I just did an update to dapper and after reboot the first thing it tries to update is gstreamer0.8
[09:02] <DaSkreech> How can I get it to stop doing that?
[09:02] <popey> ooer
[09:02] <popey> HedgeMage: popey == pontifex
[09:02] <popey> strange he pung out and i didn't
[09:02] <HedgeMage> ah :)
[09:02] <DaSkreech> What version of Ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal ship with dapper?
[09:03] <DaSkreech> And is it erribly worrying if Ubuntu-base and ubuntu-minimal are not installed?
[09:04] <DaSkreech> HedgeMage: Stalker :)
[09:05] <HedgeMage> DaSkreech: I am everywhere!
[09:05] <HedgeMage> LOL
[09:05] <DaSkreech> Hmm Printers have been removed from the system menu?
[09:07] <HedgeMage> DaSkreech: Sysem --> Administration --> Printing
[09:10] <DaSkreech> HedgeMage: Doesn't exist on my system
[09:10] <DaSkreech> It did before the updae
[09:10] <DaSkreech> update
[09:17] <DaSkreech> where does apt keep the list of files that it grabs
[09:17] <DaSkreech> when you press reload?
[09:17] <Amaranth> /var/cache/apt
[09:17] <DaSkreech> Amaranth: not the debs
[09:17] <DaSkreech> Oh wait that's cache/apt/archive
[09:17] <DaSkreech> thanks :)
[09:18] <DaSkreech> Amaranth: Can I just delete pkgcache.bin and apt will recreate it?
[09:18] <Amaranth> i dunno
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Nope still doing it
[09:21] <popey> have you installed gstreamer 0.10?
[09:25] <DaSkreech> popey: Yeah
[09:27] <DaSkreech> It's rhythmbox apparently
[09:58] <cbx33> gooooood evenin all
[09:58] <juliux> hi cbx33
[10:00] <juliux> wb cbx33
[10:02] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[10:04] <juliux> hi jsgotangco
[10:04] <jsgotangco> juliux: hey long time no see
[10:04] <juliux> jsgotangco, yes
[10:04] <juliux> jsgotangco, how are you?
[10:05] <jsgotangco> juliux: well im in paris with the rest of the edubuntu people for the developer summit
[10:05] <juliux> jsgotangco, greetings to all
[10:05] <jsgotangco> what's keeping you busy?
[10:06] <juliux> that i am not in paris
[10:06] <juliux> and that i have to work with windows
[10:06] <jsgotangco> i dunno where they are at the moment, we're in the middle of nowhere in paris and the nearest village grocery closes at 6pm
[10:06] <juliux> hehe
[10:09] <juliux> jsgotangco, hm the eurostar is to expansive for me to come on the weekend to paris
[10:10] <jsgotangco> well tomorrow is the last day
[10:10] <juliux> oh
[10:10] <juliux> ok tomorrow i have to work
[10:10] <jsgotangco> if you get the chance, try to come if not no worries
[10:10] <popey> is schooltool discussed here?
[10:11] <rodarvus> popey, Edubuntu is discussed here, but SchoolTool people frequent this channel
[10:11] <juliux> jsgotangco, no chance i have to test the windows install image tomorrow
[10:14] <jsgotangco> no worries there will always be one more chance in the future
[10:22] <cbx33> popey, i think so
[10:22] <cbx33> what's the prob
[10:45] <RobinShepheard> hiya everybody
[11:15] <Gadi> So, does anyone have an (edu)buntu server going with RAID5, an adaptec 2005S RAID controller, and dapper?
[11:16] <Gadi> kernel seems to like to panic on any newer version than hoary :(
[11:16] <Gadi> and, presumably the dpt_i2o bug was fixed in the latest kernel....
[11:19] <ogra> Gadi, try asking fabbione in #ubuntu-devel, he is in the server team
[11:22] <Gadi> ogra: thx, I figured you'd know the right people, but I thought it better to post here than #ltsp as it is less off topic
[11:22] <Gadi> ;)
[11:22] <ogra> :)
[11:29] <jsgotangco> heh


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[08:25] <LocutusOfBorg> hello vorlon, libmysofa/i386 hint please? nodejs disappeared there
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[11:25] <bluesabre> Release team, please approve the impish syncs for greybird-gtk-theme (minor  graphical adjustments, much better readability for background window selection), xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin (bug fixes), and libxfce4ui (more bug fixes)
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[20:44] <mwhudson> hm is the archive still supposed to be frozen?
[20:44] <mwhudson> oh right, frozen from now until release
[21:27] <kc2bez> release team, please accept calamares-settings-ubuntu it should resolve bug 1944778
[22:05] <mwhudson> hmm doh uploaded too soon
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[06:05] <Switches> Morning
[07:14] <knightwise> morning Switches
[07:14] <Switches> Heya knightwise
[07:52] <TwistedLucidity> Oh joys, another morning another enforced full-refresh from Mozilla. All tabs, add-ons etc lost. Again.
[07:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:00] <TwistedLucidity> Brilliant. Not content with losing all my tabs, Mozilla decided to delete all the settings that I had made. They're getting as bad as MS!
[08:02] <foobarry> sounds like your profile got messed up
[08:03] <TwistedLucidity> Dunno. Logged on and before I'd even started anything Moz decided to nuke Firefox. It isn't the first time
[08:05] <TwistedLucidity> On the last update they deleted all my bookmarks as well. At least those survived this time
[08:06] <foobarry> check your profiles dir
[08:12] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:12] <TwistedLucidity> AFAIK nothing has changed.  Oh, and you can guess the OS.....
[08:23] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Eat Your Vegetables Day! 😃
[08:24] <TwistedLucidity> Huh, exactly the same issue in a virtual environment.  Luxury. We used to have to walk 10 miles over broken glass. Barefoot!  We had to first collect the glass from dilapidated houses and deconstruction sites, then bottle up some tears to use to wash the glass clean, smash it with our little fists, eat it, then poop it, then wash it again, then spread it, and the only thing we had to as music to listen to was the Internationale we had to sing ourselves
[10:39] <TwistedLucidity> I used to dream of being allowed to sing
[10:42] <davmor2> Myrtti: Luxury we had to crawl to beaches and set fire to them to collect the glass shards, to clean with the tears of unicorns, then eat it, poop it, lick it clean again, on the way to work down pit for 36 hours a day, and the only music we had was the tinnitus
[10:43] <Myrtti> BUT THESE YOUTH THEY DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD THEY HAVE IT
[10:43] <Switches> lol
[10:43]  * Switches is looking at second hand macs.. oh the prices are enough to make you cry >.<
[10:44] <davmor2> Somebody really does need to do a 4 Yorkshire Geeks sketch popey I'm looking at you, mr podcaster ;)
[10:44] <Myrtti> Switches: we've got a second hand mac, wanna buy? http://i.stack.imgur.com/XpXuo.jpg
[10:44] <Myrtti> only 50 monees
[10:45] <halt> Hi guys, I have a trouble with printing the build in priter manager never worked I got used to that, so I used the cups web interface, which was fine so far, but now a network printer which used to be a tcp connection based on IP is now some weird dnssd://  is there any way to get it back as normal ?
[10:45] <Switches> rofl :p G4 I got 3 of them in the shed >.>
[10:46] <Switches> I'm actually looking at the G5 Pro's but the ones on Ebay are either pre 5'1 or pretty beat up with Xeons >.<
[12:46] <foobarry> just went looking for krita3. found an appimage, runs without installation, happy days
[12:47] <daftykins> but for how long ;)
[12:47] <foobarry> >
[12:47] <foobarry> ?
[12:48] <daftykins> ah just messing, but if it relied on anything on the host, then an update changed something...
[12:48] <daftykins> i think i was borrowing some pessimism from zmoylan-pi :>
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> i was wondering were that went...
[12:48] <foobarry> its a universal app format..works on all systems
[12:48] <foobarry> think i missed a conversation somewhere
[12:52] <daftykins> woohoo this new double-sided 3M tape seems to be the holy grail for fixing back on these iPad screens


[02:33] <Alacriiity> hello!
[09:17] <frik> test
[09:19] <diogenes_> passed
 Mateusz the trash icon can be removed by right clicking on the desktop, select desktop preferences, under the advanced tab.
[11:11] <guiverc> @Mateusz  https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.1/3.1.5/nm-tray.html - can't you use Edit connections to edit your wireless password (allowing you to correct error; I've done it I'm sure but don't have wireless on this box)
 As far as the flag, you would have to change the theme for sddm. I haven't looked at that part of the configuration myself. You may want to check out our manual page for sddm though: https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.1/3.1.9/sddm_configuration.html
[11:13]  * guiverc is lost with US flag, I've never noticed an aussie flag
 The flag drop-down refers to keyboard layout.
[11:15] <guiverc> Thanks, I see a "au"
 you can remove the flag icon by renaming (or deleting) the flags folder somwhere in the sddm setting folder structure. I am unsure where exactly (and do not have that installation anymore). I did not find a way to change it by slightly modifing the theme, but that would be an option too, if you can find it.
 By my guestimation, 20.04 is only a dozen or so weeks away. Is anyone (non-dev) running it on their daily driver?
[17:52] <wxl> @heysoundude i know someone on the list was saying they did; in general i wouldn't recommend it with any development release, especially early on
[19:04] <tbs> hello, is here to talk about lubuntu but not for getting help?
 this channel is the support channel
 not the general discussion channel
[19:04] <tbs> ahh, i wanted to write ths to offtopic...
 #lubuntu-offtopic is what you're after then
 (on the IRC side of things)
[20:24] <bwew253tgzwhbd> hello
[20:25] <wxl> how can we help?
[20:25] <bwew253tgzwhbd> i installed lubuntu desktop on ubuntu with sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop and the problem is when i search in panel its very laggy its not on fedora but on tje ubuntu, can someone help? its very annoying for example i write chromium and i neednto wait 4 seconds to see chromium in panel cuz its so laggy
[20:26] <wxl> which version?
[20:26] <bwew253tgzwhbd> 19.10 newest lxqt
[20:26] <wxl> one sec
[20:26] <bwew253tgzwhbd> with openbox and this arc one
[20:28] <wxl> also: why not just use lubuntu?
[20:29] <bwew253tgzwhbd> i think i one time tried installing lubuntu but i used the spyware site lubuntu.net and couldnnt boot then so inused ubuntu since then
 lubuntu.net isn't the official resource
 lubuntu.me is the official site
[20:29] <wxl> well, there's a simple solution to that: use the actual website, lubuntu.me
[20:29] <bwew253tgzwhbd> yes its spyware i wrote in duckduckgo or so lubuntu and it showed me the fake
 we don't control lubuntu.net and it's not the official site - hasn't been for a long time
[20:30] <wxl> i will tell you that the panel is VERY snappy in lubuntu
 ^ that
 even on my ancient HP Netbook i was testing it on from 2009 :P
[20:31] <wxl> i'm testing it on a vm that is strained to 1gb ram
[20:32] <bwew253tgzwhbd> i have lot of .desktops but idk if its the reason
[20:32] <wxl> ugh windows is such a resource hog
[20:32] <wxl> i mean ubuntu
[20:32] <wxl> :O
[20:32] <wxl> freudian slip??????
 *drags wxl out into the void*
 (disclaimer: wxl and I are good friends, this is me just 'joking' with them)
 but yeah, Lubuntu can eat a lot of resources out of the box
[20:33] <wxl> UBUNTU YOU MEAN!
[20:33] <bwew253tgzwhbd> yes ubuntu is hard spyware preinstalling snap and cant be fully purged its awesome
[20:33]  * wxl slaps @teward001
 :P
 let's save the 'spyware or not' discussions for elsewhere please
[20:34] <wxl> we have snapd installed by default (we have to) but there's no core snap installed so it's completely inactive
[20:34] <bwew253tgzwhbd> does lubuntu preinstall snap
 because that's a whole other discussin
 discussion*
[20:34] <bwew253tgzwhbd> if i write sudo apt install chromium for eyample does it install the shit one from snap or the original where i can use flags
[20:35] <wxl> keep the language under wraps
[20:35] <wxl> apt is for debian packages, snap is for snaps
[20:35] <wxl> you can't install debian packages with snap nor can you install snaps with apt
[20:35] <bwew253tgzwhbd> ubuntu installs from snap
[20:35] <wxl> oh well, there you go
[20:36] <wxl> the debian package probably has a trigger that makes it install the snap
 which has been the case since at least the 19.04 cycle I believe, because of my having to debug server packages failing their build tests
 (that's a whole unrelated discussion but it's something i noticed early on in the testings)
[20:37] <bwew253tgzwhbd> so why is it lagging how can i reinstall lxqt panel
[20:37] <bwew253tgzwhbd> maybe it would fix it idk
[20:37] <wxl> i would just install lubuntu
 Chances are the issue you're seeing is because installing ubuntu then installing Lubuntu on top of that is going to keep the resource-hog stuff from Ubuntu still on-system
[20:39] <bwew253tgzwhbd> u have ubuntu in vm? how mucj cpu is xorg using
 which can lead to slowdowns like you're seeing.
 and no, wxl has Lubuntu in a VM
[20:39] <bwew253tgzwhbd> when i play games and i use top it shows sometimesn10% xorg cpu ??? evennwitj openbox desktop environment
[20:40] <wxl> then just use lubuntu
[20:40] <bwew253tgzwhbd> would it fix that?
[20:40] <wxl> works here for me
[20:40] <bwew253tgzwhbd> i mean the cpu usage of xorg
[20:41] <bwew253tgzwhbd> i use lightdm but mynxorg is using lot of cpu
 the CPU usage of the graphics backend is going to be less of an issue than the RAM consumption of the system
 since CPU usage fluctuates depending on what you're doing
[20:42] <bwew253tgzwhbd> and other question can i install kernels from https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=M;O=A
[20:42] <bwew253tgzwhbd> can u test it for me very important i need newest kernel always
[20:45] <wxl> currently xorg is running with 0%.
[20:46] <bwew253tgzwhbd> yes but when i use wine games its judt using 10% thenndrops to 3% for some reason
[20:46] <wxl> i mean cpu usage does change over time
[20:46] <wxl> depending on what you're doing
[20:47] <bwew253tgzwhbd> maybe the game is mining bitcoins
[20:48] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[20:49] <bwew253tgzwhbd> is amd processor better zhan intel ? my friend said because intel has lot of backdoors it reduces performance is it true
[20:50] <bwew253tgzwhbd> is lubuntu ligthweighter than lxle
[20:50] <wxl> lxle is doomed because lxde is doomed
[20:51] <tbs> :D
[20:52] <tbs> about that topic, i have waited lubuntu would be lighter than this actoally, at least %80 ram usage of current or less
[20:53] <tbs> i have 4 gb ram, at start it uses 11-12 which xfce may see, so i have waited most %10 or less for lubuntu
[20:55] <tbs> debian xfce and mint xfce start with %12-13
[20:55] <tbs> for my 4gb ram
[20:55] <bwew253tgzwhbd> debian xfce is much lightweighter tjan ubuntu without desktop imo
[20:56] <wxl> xfce would be the next lightest desktop environment
[20:56] <tbs> like i said it uses %12, so not lighter than ubuntu without desktop
[20:56] <wxl> ubuntu without desktop... uhhh... doesn't have a desktop environment
[20:57] <bwew253tgzwhbd> i hate xfce some streams or sounds are by default very quiet and xfce only hasb100% maximum atleast with fn keys
[20:57] <tbs> i left xfce cuz of desktop icon configuring...
[20:58] <tbs> i couldnt find a way to arrange them according to date, at any xfce
[20:59] <tbs> for guys like me, if we work with files at pc, seing items at desktop is importand, not at file manager
[21:00] <bwew253tgzwhbd> is cinnamon more light than gnome
[21:00] <wxl> don't know
[21:01] <tbs> they are smilar
[21:02] <tbs> i need to leave at least 1gb of 4gb ram to them or more
[21:03] <tbs> for example at start cinnamon uses about 800mb but after that no matter what i do, if i do something it just continue with 1 or 1.1 gb usage
[21:03] <tbs> smilar for deeping
[21:04] <tbs> kde s lighter than 3 of these
[21:04] <tbs> xfce is ligher than 4 of these
[21:06] <bwew253tgzwhbd> is lubuntu somehow more secure tjan ubuntu gnome?;
[21:07] <tbs> lxqt s lighter than xfce about %10 which means in 4gb ram it will be ligher about 50mb, so ligher than 5 of them
[21:07] <wxl> lubuntu is ubuntu
[21:08] <tbs> but for lubuntu i also feel like it uses my harddisk lighter, i cant identify it but that s what i think, i have not good hdd about speed


[19:26] <rww> pleia2, grantbow: Please remove our spammer friend from ubuntu-us-ca@, or add listadmin privileges to me so I can do it myself.
[19:26] <rww> (since he's now done it twice)
[19:27] <blitz> hi
[19:28] <pleia2> rww: done, thanks for the heads up
[19:28] <rww> hihi blitz
[19:28] <rww> pleia2: thanks :)
[19:29] <pleia2> (it was landing in my spam box, so I didn't see it)
[19:29] <rww> figured that might be happening.


[08:39] <saeed> plars: ping
[08:40] <ogra> saeed, ~3am where he lives ...
[08:40] <saeed> ogra: hi
[08:40] <ogra> hey
[08:41] <saeed> have you installed lucid over dove x0?
[08:41] <ogra> i'm not one of the lucky guys to have an X0
[08:41] <saeed> I see
[08:42] <ogra> and i think NCommander is travelling, plars and GrueMaster ate in later timezones
[08:42] <ogra> *are
[11:54] <saeed> asac: ping
[12:59] <asac> saeed: hi
[13:02] <saeed> asac: have you installed lucid on dove?
[13:05] <wv> Hello
[13:06] <wv> does somebody has some experienc an i.mx51 bbg board combined with gstreamer?
[13:07] <lool> A lot of people here played with babbage boards, but with varying versions; less so with the gstreamer codecs
[13:07] <wv> its the latest evk board
[13:08] <wv> installed with the demo image from freescale itself
[13:08] <wv> Problem is that I want to stream some rtp (mpeg ts, with divx) to this board
[13:08] <wv> and use the gpu to decode
[13:09] <wv> but it kindof hangs
[13:09] <wv> I mean
[13:09] <wv> things seem ok
[13:09] <wv> it's detected
[13:09] <wv> it does some things but then just "hangs"
[13:09] <wv> i see no video
[13:10] <wv> command to receive I use is: gst-launch-0.10 -v gstrtpbin name=rtpbin udpsrc caps="application/x-rtp, media=(string)video, clock-rate=(int)90000, encoding-name=(string)MP2T" port=1234 ! rtpbin.recv_rtp_sink_0 rtpbin. ! rtpmp2tdepay ! decodebin2 ! xvimagesink
[13:10] <wv> do I choose a wrong output device or something?
[13:10] <wv> do I miss an option?
[13:10] <wv> on a normal pc on my network, it just works like that
[13:10] <wv> and localy also
[13:12] <lool> wv: Sorry, no idea about the hangs
[13:12] <lool> You don't have any buffer though
[13:12] <lool> You might want to add some ! queue elements in your pipeline
[13:14] <wv> what are queue elements?
[13:14] <lool> You could also try in software without the gpu decoder
[13:14] <wv> I mean, I'm not a gstreamer specialist
[13:15] <lool> wv: literally buffers
[13:15] <wv> this pipeline is also constructed with some help from the gstreamer channel :)
[13:15] <lool> wv: gst-inspect-0.10 queue will give you some doc
[13:15] <wv> lool: ok
[13:15] <wv> lool: I already tryed with vlc and it works ok, despite the lack of hardware acceleration
[13:15] <lool> wv: but I'm not sure it's the problem; it's just usual to have at least one queue to have sufficient data for the decoders to work
[13:16] <lool> wv: Try with gstreamer without hardware acceleration
[13:16] <lool> wv: Or try the pipeline on your PC
[13:16] <lool> wv: FSL's gst codecs require patching to gstreamer
[13:16] <lool> and it might be that they either hang with some input, or that the gst stack misbehaves
[13:17] <lool> I would validate my pipeline in pure software decoding mode, and then try with FSL's stack and optimized elements
[13:20] <wv> lool: how can i test it without the fsl gst codecs?
[13:21] <wv> it just loads them as I run this command
[13:21] <wv> or do I uninstall them?
[13:21] <lool> wv: Try on your Ubuntu host?
[13:22] <lool> wv: You could just "mv" the elements away to try it on the board; you'll need replacement elements such as the ffmpeg divx decoder
[13:23] <wv> I tryed it on my host and it worked (streamed to <IP_ADDRESS>)
[13:24] <wv> lool: also tried to another networked pc and worked also
[13:24] <lool> wv: Ok; so try without the gpu codecs; look for the gstreamer plugins which provide these and move them away, see if the software decoders work
[13:24] <lool> If it works with software decoders, you can basically point at the fsl plugins
[13:25] <lool> If it hangs with software decoders, you should look into the fsl gstreamer patches, perhaps rebuilding an unmodified gstreamer
[13:27] <wv> owkey
[13:28] <wv> well, I'll first have a look to add some "queue"
[13:28]  * ogra lols about lool's creative long patch names
[13:28]  * lool uses git format-patch's default
[13:28] <ogra> long sentences with dashes ?
[13:29] <lool> Yes
[13:29] <lool> git format-patch takes the first line of the commit, just as shortlog does
[13:29] <lool> And changes spaces to dashes
[13:29] <ogra> ah
[13:30] <lool> ogra: Since you mention it, at your earliest convenience please test this new qemu-kvm upload; I wonder whether the GCC atomics changes break anything and would like some additional testing before submitting upstream
[13:30] <lool> I usually submit to upstream first, but this change is quite intrusive
[13:30] <ogra> is that working around the glib issues or do i still need to export the gslice stuff ?
[13:31] <ogra> or are you just referring to -static here ?
[13:31] <lool> This is unrelated, it's for the armel build
[13:31] <lool> But it changes locking on all architectures
[13:32] <ogra> ok
[13:32] <ogra> given that i'm madly testing rootstock atm i'll have it with the next upload and will notice any issues i guess
[13:34]  * ogra curses compiz broken focus behavior in lucid
[13:40] <Sleep-Walker> hi all
[13:42] <Sleep-Walker> amitk, am I right that for changing board ID (understand assinging Netwalker's specific ID) I would need to modify RedBoot in NOR?
[13:42] <amitk> Sleep-Walker: redboot would need to pass the correct board id to the kernel, yes
[13:43] <ogra> whats the current id you see in /proc/cpuinfo ?
[13:43] <amitk> Sleep-Walker: what is it you're trying to do?
[13:43] <ogra> (the field is "Revision:" iirc)
[13:44] <Sleep-Walker> I'm preparing that wiki page and read Netwalker's code
[13:44] <Sleep-Walker> amitk, I'd like to have support for Netwalker in upstream
[13:45] <Sleep-Walker> I'm trying to make some plan of pushing all neesary stuff
[13:45] <asac> saeed: the smoke testing? let me ask whats the progress on that
[13:46] <Sleep-Walker> (I know that large part of code need to be rewritten or modified a lot)
[13:46] <asac> saeed: i was fighting with getting stuff done for feature freeze (which was today) ... so i didnt get to it personally yet
[13:47] <asac> but GrueMaster and plars wanted to check it ... and NCommander afaik
[13:47] <amitk> Sleep-Walker: as I said the other day, try booting the stuff that is upstream with a modified bootloader. You'll find it probably boots
[13:47] <Sleep-Walker> yeah
[13:48] <Sleep-Walker> but there is more work left than support for i.MX51
[13:48] <Sleep-Walker> wifi, optical point, touch buttons,...
[13:49] <amitk> Sleep-Walker: one small step at a time is my motto. Personally, I want to concentrate on the drivers _on_ the SoC first. Not the external peripherals.
[13:49] <amitk> and there is lots of things there too
[13:50] <Sleep-Walker> I'd rather try kexec instead of bricking my new toy for now
[13:51] <Sleep-Walker> I'm currently not writing code itself, just creating plan, status page etc
[13:52] <saeed> asac: I've seen few issues with lucid installation, Iet me know when we can work on it
[13:53] <asac> saeed: what issues did you see?
[13:53] <asac> saeed: which image did you try?
[13:53] <asac> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/20100215/ ?
[13:53] <asac> (i dont remember if i gave you the desktop image)
[13:54] <asac> ogra: do you know whats up with the image builders?
[13:54] <asac> they are down?
[13:54] <asac> no logs for me
[13:54] <asac> ah wait
[13:54] <asac> looking at wrong logs i think
[13:54] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/lucid/ubuntu-netbook-imx51/
[13:54] <ogra> has logs
[13:55] <ogra> buildd breakage fallout
[13:55] <ogra> today we should get images again
[13:58] <asac> ogra: i dont even say a fatal error in the current log
[13:58] <asac> see
[13:58] <asac> it produces squashfs
[13:58] <asac> and then its gone
[13:58] <ogra> huh ?
[13:58] <ogra> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[13:58] <ogra>   update-notifier: Depends: update-notifier-common (= 0.94) but 0.95 is to be installed
[13:59] <ogra> from http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/lucid/ubuntu-netbook-imx51/20100218/
[13:59] <ogra> not sure what you look at :)
[13:59] <asac> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/lucid/ubuntu-dove/current/livecd-20100126-armel.out
[13:59] <asac> ok
[13:59] <asac> now i see
[14:00] <asac> looking at netbook might help
[14:00] <ogra> yeah :)
[14:04] <KosiNuss> hi, what does "Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1018) at 0x4033e000" mean?
[14:07] <plars> saeed: I tried the patched kernel yesterday and was able to boot
[14:07] <plars> I did hit some problems when I built it into an image, it was complaining about my squashfs, so something went wrong when rebuilding it I suspect.
[14:08] <plars> saeed: I'd like to try with the image once it's built in, but I'm traveling today, GrueMaster should be up in about 2 hours and would be able to test it though
[16:19] <GrueMaster> saeed: I'm up now.  What would you like to know?
[16:23] <saeed> GrueMaster: hi
[16:23] <saeed> I've tried to install lucid from live image on dove
[16:24] <saeed> dove x0
[16:24] <GrueMaster> The most recent image I have is 20100215, and it doesn't boot on X0.
[16:24] <GrueMaster> It gets as far as uncompressing the kernel, then nothing.
[16:25] <saeed> ok, you should take this img http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/lucid-netbook-armel+dove.img
[16:25] <GrueMaster> Oddly enough, I get the same problem with a known working Karmic image.
[16:25] <saeed> then take the image and initrd from http://people.canonical.com/~mcasadevall/dove/x0_casper/
[16:27] <saeed> the kernel image from that link should work on x0
[16:29] <saeed> GrueMaster: new dove x0 boards (rev 1.4) needs patches that still not merged to the lucid dove kernel
[16:29] <GrueMaster> I planned on trying that later today.
[16:30] <saeed> the live images boots fine
[16:30] <saeed> but I started to see issues when installed it on sata hdd
[16:30] <saeed> the installation process doesn't complete gacefully
[16:31] <saeed> I mean there was no message the it completed, and some error message regarding ubiquity showed up
[16:31] <GrueMaster> Any ideas as to why Karmic fails?  Same kernel issue?
[16:32] <saeed> yes
[16:33] <saeed> eric uploaded kernel package that suppots dove x0 board at  http://people.canonical.com/~ycmiao/dove-x0test/
[16:33] <GrueMaster> Ok, I'll look into them.  Thanks.
[17:34] <lool> Wee upstream u-boot gets support of imx51 with fec
[17:35] <lool> for babbage actually (evk)
[17:35] <NCommander> lool: \o/!
[17:36] <ogra> funny, wolfgang told me he doesnt want to merge the git tree when i pointed him to it yesterday
[17:37] <lool> They just selected a new imx custodian on the u-boot list and the port was proposed immediatly thereafter
[17:38] <lool> http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2010-February/067329.html
[17:38] <lool> http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2010-February/067475.html
[17:38] <lool> (Stefano Babic proposed himself as the custodian)
[17:39] <ogra> oh, funny
[17:39] <ogra> its not the freescale tree
[17:39] <lool> It's from freescale though
[17:39] <ogra> but not the git tree
[17:39] <ogra> somehow that defeats the purpose
[17:40] <lool> and that's the fec fix http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2010-February/067329.html
[17:40] <ogra> err
[17:40] <ogra> 08 ?
[17:40] <ogra> freescale has everyting on 09
[17:40] <ogra> all 08 patches were dropped and rewritten
[17:42] <lool> Funny, the new custodian gets pointed at our source package http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2010-February/067656.html
[17:44] <ogra> oh my
[17:44] <ogra> and that source is really messy
[17:44] <ogra> a mix of 08 and 09 patches
[19:59] <armin76> NCommander: ooo built, however it fails as http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=105359
[19:59] <ubot4> OpenOffice.org bug 105359 in udk "bridges:arm failure to start OOo - terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::ucb::InteractiveAugmentedIOException'" [Defect,Started: ]
[20:00] <NCommander> armin76: there's already a bug for this, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't an Ubuntu specific bug; I need to do some testing  but its possible this is a binutils issue
[20:01] <armin76> y
[20:01] <armin76> you have your answer now :)
[20:01] <NCommander> armin76: thanks.
[20:01] <armin76> yw
[20:02] <armin76> openoffice-3.1.1: Wed Feb 17 02:12:23 2010: 1 day, 11 hours, 42 minutes, 56 seconds
[20:22] <lool> apw: Thanks for udebs, linux-source, and meta, you rock   :-)
[20:53] <ogra> even meta ?
[20:53] <ogra> wow


[03:15] <bordy> Evenin everybody
[03:16] <bordy> Upgraded to 17.10 tonight. Nice to see the upgrade process is super easy now
[03:17] <bordy> Could have sworn the release notes said there was significant changes to the UI (buttons to the right, etc)
[03:17] <bordy> Not seeing them though. WEird.


[07:43] <alkisg> Could someone delete a wiki page I wrote which is no longer useful? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/reverse-bash
[10:11]  * peppe84 is away: Me ne sono andato per i fatti miei
[10:15] <alkisg> Anyways, I tagged it as "deleted" and left it along with the other 30 other pages marked for deletion there: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag/Deletion/List
[12:47]  * peppe84 is away:
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[17:34] <vish> !away | peppe84
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[00:31] <LittleItaly> alsamixer is not working for me
[00:36] <psycho_oreos> you probably need to run alsaconf
[00:38] <LittleItaly> command not found
[00:39] <psycho_oreos> woops alsactl
[00:42] <LittleItaly> tells me to specify command
[00:52] <LittleItaly> my sound card cannt be found, yet it is listed in lspci
[00:56] <LittleItaly> is the sound module supposed to be in xorg.conf?
[01:34] <halp> hi, does anyone know anything about xubuntu & wine?
[04:59] <LittleItaly> when a computer beeps when the login screen pops up, that is from the soundcard right?
[05:00] <maduser> no thats from the mother boared
[05:01] <maduser> there a speaker for beeps usually used to send error messages
[05:01] <maduser> but xubuntu uses it when the login starts
[05:01] <LittleItaly> can you help me, my sound card stopped working when i messed with my xorg.conf file
[05:01] <LittleItaly> lspci shows it
[05:01] <maduser> xorg.conf is video
[05:01] <maduser> xorg is video
[05:02] <maduser> I don't know how it could mess up your sound
[05:02] <LittleItaly> well, it stopped working some how =/
[05:02] <LittleItaly> i didnt have to install any drivers for it to work
[05:03] <LittleItaly> xubuntu comes with alsa, so i went to package manager, reinstalled every packet and it still didnt help
[05:09] <LittleItaly> wtf.... i went to reboot, booted from an earlier back up, and the sound is there and my video res is the same as well
[05:09] <LittleItaly> since i booted to an earlier back up, will it boot into this each time maduser?
[05:10] <maduser> ah you have back up kernels in grub?
[05:11] <LittleItaly> yeah
[05:11] <LittleItaly> will it save to boot into this back up that has sound automatically?
[05:12] <maduser> no
[05:13] <LittleItaly> so what do i have to do?
[05:14] <maduser> you can chose the back up at boot
[05:15] <maduser> but the no sound is part of a bigger error which I don't know how to fix
[05:15] <LittleItaly> i cannt get rid of the others in grub?
[05:16] <LittleItaly> so that it boots off this backup
[05:21] <LittleItaly> maduser, since im using the backup wont it default to using this session?
[05:23] <maduser> I think so
[05:23] <maduser> but this is part of a bigger problem that I don't know how to fix
[05:39] <LittleItaly> does anyone know how to get rid of grub entries that are corrupt?
[14:18] <thejayjetson_> Hello [06:11] <thejayjetson> having a lot of trouble [06:12] <thejayjetson> Trying to get xubuntu started up but disc is not readable [06:12] <thejayjetson> I used a burn program on my mac called simply 'Burn' [06:13] <thejayjetson> I browsed for xubuntu [06:13] <thejayjetson> mounted [06:13] <thejayjetson> burned [06:13] <thejayjetson> but not getting the new os installer recognized [06:13] <thejayjetson> please help
[14:18] <thejayjetson_> ..................
[14:32] <knome> thejayjetson_, if you run a normal os, what's on the disc?
[14:34] <thejayjetson_> i run mac osx
[14:34] <thejayjetson_> i must have done the disc wrong cuz it said data instead of image
[14:38] <knome> what's on the disc, if you browse it on mac osx?
[14:38] <knome> is there an .iso file or some other files?
[14:42] <thejayjetson_> sorry, was in another
[14:42] <thejayjetson_> chat room with ubuntu helper
[14:43] <thejayjetson_> but he wasn't able to help
[14:43] <thejayjetson_> i will pop the disc in my mac and tell you what i see on there
[14:44] <thejayjetson_> the disc named itself xubuntu 9.1 0 ppc
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> and when i click on the disc i see a lot
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> cdromupgrade
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> dists
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> doc
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> etc
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> install
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> md5sum.txt
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> pics
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> pol
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> preseed
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> ps5
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> i meant PS3
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> README
[14:45] <thejayjetson_> shortcut to ubuntu
[14:46] <thejayjetson_> so, is that what i am supposed to see?
[14:47] <thejayjetson_> o, please don't go to sleep on me
[14:47] <TheSheep> !enter
[14:48] <knome> !pastebin
[14:48] <knome> thejayjetson_, that looks as it should.
[14:50] <thejayjetson_> then can you help me figure out what the problem is?
[14:52] <thejayjetson_> r u still here knome?
[14:54] <thejayjetson_> knome, i will owe you a beer if you help me out
[14:56] <thejayjetson_> how about 2 beers to whoever can help me out?
[14:57] <TheSheep> this is mactel or ppc?
[14:57] <thejayjetson_> i used a mac to burn the disc
[14:57] <thejayjetson_> partioned xmb for new os (PS3)
[14:58] <TheSheep> what is the computer you are trying to boot from it?
[14:58] <thejayjetson_> partitioned i mean
[14:58] <thejayjetson_> PS3
[14:58] <TheSheep> I know nothring about ps3, sorry, maybe try the forums or google
[14:58] <thejayjetson_> i have done all that
[14:59] <TheSheep> or maybe there is a ps3 channel
[14:59] <knome> !ps
[14:59] <knome> hmm
[14:59] <TheSheep> !ps3
[14:59] <thejayjetson_> just tell me if i have done anything wrong if i was putting this on a pc or something
[14:59] <knome> exactly.
[14:59] <TheSheep> try #ubuntu-ps3
[15:00] <TheSheep> thejayjetson_: we don't know
[15:10] <thejayjetson_> is there a secondary number i can try?
[15:48] <neoteny> what do i need to do to have a script run at boot with admin rights?
[15:51] <avvay> put it in /etc/init.d
[15:52] <lukinfore> & read man update-rc.d
[17:15] <tdmsbn> hello, everyone.. i need some help with the evil blue screen thats shows up when something goes wrong with the boot
[17:16] <tdmsbn> I'm new to ubuntu, and the only way i can get it to work is by inputting terminal commands into my start up list so that i have a desktop and pannels
[17:18] <tdmsbn> also as a result my computer is now very slow and even somthing as low performance as this chat is freezing up
[17:25] <pi00100100> hello. i'm trying to create a liveusb with systemrescuecd and xubuntu livecd on it. at boot, i should be able to select which one to load via grub.
[17:25] <pi00100100> systemrescuecd works ok. xubuntu doesn't. the problem is i don't know which parameters to pass to casper
[17:26] <pi00100100> i mean only-ubiquity, quiet, splash, ...
[17:26]  * SiDi_ has no idea.
[17:27] <pi00100100> at the moment, menu.lst looks like this: http://dpaste.com/87359/
[17:32] <SiDi_> shouldnt you have a root=/dev/sd## quiet splash after that ?
[17:32] <Besogon> may you don't need to use "root" parameter? I have "quiet" after each string of OS
[17:43] <Besogon> pi00100100, you should add "boot" parameter. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#GNU_002fLinux
[17:44] <pi00100100> boot is only needed in interactive mode i think
[17:44] <pi00100100> selecting the right os from the menu and issuing enter is the same imho
[17:45] <pi00100100> anyway, it fails saying: gave up waiting for root device. common problems: boot args (cat /proc/cmdline); check rootdelay= (did the system wait long enough?); check root= (did the system wait for the right device?) missing modules (cat /proc/modules; ls /dev)
[17:46] <pi00100100> also: ALERT! does not exist. dropping to a shell!
[17:47] <pi00100100> but it doesn't specify what doesn't exist
[17:47] <pi00100100> perhaps an empty string is displayed
[17:51] <pi00100100> if i put root=/dev/sda3 i will get the same error message with: ALERT! /dev/sda3 does not exist.
[17:53] <pi00100100> ah sorry... it should be sdb3
[17:55] <Besogon> pi00100100, So, may be it will more better if you use uuid insteed root
[17:58] <Besogon> pi00100100, sudo vol_id -u /dev/sdaX get UUID of the device
[18:08] <Besogon> pi00100100, what is with your GRUB? Is it work?
[18:09] <pi00100100> sorry but i don't understand your question..
[18:10] <pi00100100> now it fails with an error very similar to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=989201
[18:11] <Besogon> Do you use UUID insteed "root"?
[18:12] <pi00100100> yeah, let me try with UUIDs...
[18:16] <pi00100100> uuids are not mentioned in grub 0.97 manual
[18:16] <pi00100100> perhaps it is a feature of grub2
[18:16] <pi00100100> anyway, i don't think my problem is uuid related
[18:18] <Besogon> pi00100100, nono no. I have uuid in menu.lst of ubuntu. (Actually Im using grub2 this time but grub2 dont use menu.lst file)
[18:19] <Besogon> using "uuid" is more reliability
[18:20] <Besogon> At least you will be certain about using right partition
[18:22] <pi00100100> ok. i think i'll have to study the grub manual before trying to do this
[18:23] <pi00100100> anyway thanks for your support
[18:24] <Besogon> pi00100100, http://dpaste.com/87383/ This was in my menu.lst some mounths ago
[18:24] <pi00100100> your menu is for booting an installed ubuntu system. what i need is the knowledge to boot a livecd system
[18:26] <Besogon> make your menu.lst similar to that menu.lst.
[18:31] <pi00100100> sorry, have to go... bye!
[18:31] <Besogon> bye
[19:45] <slow-motion> hi
[20:04] <sabina> hello! Just installed Xubuntu on my acer aspire 8930. I have no sound at all, nothing is muted in the alsamixer. Anyone knows whats up?
[20:06] <sabina> anyone? D:
[20:08] <Sysi-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1215051
[20:09] <Sysi-> seems problematic
[20:10] <sabina> yup
[20:10] <Sysi-> have you installed updates?
[20:10] <sabina> yeah
[20:10] <sabina> everything is uptodate
[20:10] <Sysi-> i had problems but they fixed themselves
[20:10] <sabina> lol well arent you lucky
[20:11] <Sysi-> there is lot going on with intel driver curretly
[20:11] <Sysi-> *drivers
[20:13] <sabina> i have tried pulseaudio too, but didnt make any diffrence, so reinstalled esd
[20:15] <Sysi-> in my other computer web radios won't work, problems are in graphic cards drivers
[20:15] <halp> hi Im having issues installing pretty much anything on xubuntu...I cant get wine to work nor flash
[20:15] <TheSheep> halp: what's the error message?
[20:16] <sabina> i just noticed that if i had terminal going the package manager didnt work and vice versa
[20:16] <sabina> you got sound halp? lol
[20:16] <halp> for flash it keeps telling me the file or directory doesnt exist
[20:16] <TheSheep> halp: THE file?
[20:16] <halp> what...
[20:17] <TheSheep> halp: your descriptions are so vague, that it's really very hard to help you
[20:17] <halp> umm for flash when I type in sudo sh flashplayer-installer it says no such file or directory
[20:18] <TheSheep> halp: why would you type that?
[20:18] <Sysi-> install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:19] <halp> is that the thing on psychocats.net?
[20:20] <Sysi-> guess so
[20:20] <halp> ok I did that...
[20:20] <Sysi-> if that won't work, ubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:20] <halp> where do I get that?
[20:20] <TheSheep> or just flashplugin-nonfree
[20:20] <TheSheep> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[20:21] <TheSheep> halp: from the repositories, with the synaptic package manager
[20:22] <halp> I dont see xubuntu-restricted-extras in synaptic package manager
[20:23] <halp> nor flashplugin nonfree
[20:23] <Sysi-> there is search
[20:24] <halp> I searched nothing came up
[20:24] <knome> halp, suppose you don't have the multiverse repositories enabled
[20:24] <halp> what...
[20:25] <knome> halp, on synaptic, go to settings -> repositories
[20:25] <knome> halp, on the "ubuntu software" tab (should open immediately), select all the checkboxes, if they are not checked already
[20:28] <halp> ok I found flashplugin but not xubuntu restricted extras
[20:28] <halp> also youtube videos still wont play so flashplugin isnt really working
[20:30] <knome> halp, did you do what i said? did you refresh the package lists after that?
[20:30] <halp> with reload?
[20:30] <knome> yes
[20:31] <halp> yes
[20:31] <knome> okay
[20:31] <knome> which xubuntu version you have?
[20:31] <halp> even with flashplugin installed now flash still isnt working
[20:31] <halp> 6.06
[20:31] <Sysi-> is that still supported?
[20:32] <halp> um what
[20:32] <Sysi-> !606
[20:32] <knome> !dapper
[20:32] <halp> btw Im a major noob...I dont get any of this...
[20:32] <knome> halp, 6.06 is not supported any more, you should upgrade
[20:33] <halp> I cant, its the only version that works on my computer
[20:33] <knome> halp, and even that is not supported, so the best way would be to install again
[20:33] <halp> well the latest version that works
[20:35] <halp> sooo flash wont work at all no matter what?
[20:36] <TheSheep> halp: what do you mean the later versions don't work? they should
[20:37] <knome> halp, i'm not sure if it works in 6.06.
[20:37] <TheSheep> probably they (Adobe) changed the location of the flash plugin, so installer can't download it anymore
[20:38] <TheSheep> you could probably try gnash, I think it suports Youtube
[20:38] <TheSheep> !flash
[20:38] <TheSheep> !gnash
[20:38] <Sysi> there aren't anymore repos where from to install it?
[20:38] <Sysi> (bad english i know)
[20:39] <Sysi> if 6.06 isn't supported anymore
[20:40] <halp> wat
[20:40] <TheSheep> Sysi: to start with, Ubuntu is not allowed to keep the flash plugin in the repositories, so it keeps there a script that downloads it from Adobe site
[20:40] <knome> Sysi, the repositories/packages are there, but they link to a url that doesn't exist anymore, and as 6.06 is not supported, the packages are not updated either to point to the new place - and in the end, adobe doesn't even serve these old version
[20:40] <knome> +s
[20:40] <sabina> anyone know what linux dist thats reported least sound issues? lol
[20:40] <TheSheep> Sysi: but Adobe is known to change their addresses
[20:40] <halp> ok...I have to reboot so Ill brb
[20:41] <TheSheep> sabina: try looking for your sound card model and word 'linux' in google
[20:51] <halp> Im just gonna say screwit about flash, and get back to my issues with wine since thats more important to me, I see it in synaptic now but it says it needs a lot more files to install (even some that are already there)
[20:53] <Sysi> i'd guess that upgrading would help solvin probles a lot, if they still exist
[20:53] <halp> I cant upgrade though, it wont work on my computer
[20:54] <Sysi> what wont work?
[20:54] <halp> upgrades wont
[20:55] <Sysi> i guess because 6.06 isn't supported anymore
[20:55] <knome> halp, yes, and that's because 6.06 is not supported.
[20:55] <knome> halp, it's END-OF-LIFE
[20:55] <halp> I mean, xubuntu upgrades wont work
[20:55] <Sysi> upgrading to 8.04 should work if i have right information?
[20:56] <halp> like the recent version of xubuntu wont install on my computer
[20:56] <knome> halp, exactly.
[20:57] <halp> what exactly...
[20:57] <knome> halp, i understand that the newer versions wouldn't work on your computer, because you don't have resources for them to run.
[20:58] <knome> halp, but thus you are using the old version, it is possible that other things like flash won't work also.
[20:58] <halp> oh ok
[20:58] <halp> so wine wont work with that version either?
[20:58] <knome> halp, it is possible that it works, but there might be bugs.
[20:59] <knome> halp, but because all the upgrades in ubuntu come from the repositories, you can't get any updates to any application, because you're running an outdated version of ubuntu
[20:59] <Sysi> jaunty with lxde might work?
[21:00] <Sysi> lxde isn't as nice as xfce but pretty good
[21:03] <halp> I think Im going to give up with xubuntu...this old version is too limited, Im going to try another distro =/
[21:03] <nikolam> Sysi, i installed lxde on hardy, there is sime repository/ppa foro that, and wicd also
[21:04] <nikolam> help is a looser :)
[21:04] <nikolam> halp, sorry :)
[21:05] <knome> he has a point in there *and* i don't think the OS choice is a reason to call anybody a loser
[21:09] <nikolam> knome maybe you are right. I appologise. I just figured that he just said something and leaved ah.
[21:10] <knome> well, that's not the best way to handle the situation, i agree, but i think he was very frustrated already
[21:10] <knome> and maybe giving this one more go at xubuntu and not getting what he wanted..
[21:11] <Sysi> he said he was noob, he isn't gonna get anything easier running on that machine
[21:11] <nikolam> Sysi, I use deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lxde/ubuntu hardy main to have lxde on Hardy
[21:12] <Sysi> i have it on jaunty, xfce was slow on eee 701
[21:12] <knome> Sysi, maybe he'll get back then.
[21:12] <nikolam> knome I entered later and I woldnt say anything if he was present. sry
[21:13] <knome> nikolam, he wasn't, but that was not the point. :)
[21:13] <nikolam> Sysi, I use Hardy on 701 and i am content with it..
[21:13] <nikolam> knome, i know.
[21:13] <Sysi> i had easy peasy but i thought i should upgrade
[21:14] <nikolam> Sysi, I used to install some scripts to get drivers etc that worked only on Hardy as advertised
[21:14] <Sysi> i tried fedora, it was fast, but you'd need 2.6.30 kernel to get wlan eorking
[21:14] <nikolam> I don`t think I will move Hardy from my eee untill LTS EOL
[21:15] <Sysi> or that would be easiest/best solution
[21:15] <nikolam> I get everything working on hardy on eee, I even use wicd wireless menager, very much more usefull that network manager
[21:15] <Sysi> fedora was with gnome as fast as ubuntu with xfce, maybe even faster :S
[21:16] <Sysi> but i need wlan
[21:16] <nikolam> Hm, I reccomend My solution :) Xubuntu Hardy+uodate +that script for setting up drivers
[21:17] <Sysi> hardy has old software
[21:17] <nikolam> I choosed solution where drivers are reinstalled after every kernel upgrade. but there is also repo for hardy with alternate kernel, too
[21:17] <nikolam> Yes, Hardy is older but on think like eeepc, I want stable stuff etc
[21:18] <Sysi> i want stable to desktop
[21:18] <nikolam> You can ged newer software from ppa repos, like OOo 3.1, newer pidgin from getdeb.net etc
[21:18] <Sysi> eee is for experiments
[21:18] <nikolam> Oh, I see, you are looking for solution for your desktop..
[21:19] <nikolam> Well,I use hardy on desktop, too :)
[21:19] <Sysi> in one i has fedora
[21:19] <Sysi> in this one jaunty
[21:19] <nikolam> But if you are new user, newest is maybe best for you , unill second lts next year
[21:20] <nikolam> Only I think drivers for Intel graphics are far from perfect in Jaunky etc.
[21:20] <Sysi> i'm actually not very new, but quite noob still :)
[21:20] <nikolam> Sysi, I know the feeling :)
[21:21] <nikolam> I know now how to compile packages on my own, from .say. karmic repo etc and use it on hardy
[21:21] <Sysi> i can do that with instructions
[21:22] <Sysi> i just can't see any reason to use hardy
[21:22] <Sysi> for me jaunty is very stable
[21:22] <nikolam> I found instructions about that in package debian-reference
[21:22] <nikolam> Sysi, then, that is right solution for you :)
[21:23] <Sysi> that's why i have it :D
[21:23] <nikolam> I found some reasons for myself in testing period for jaunty. Much things in Xfce didn`t work as I expected, so thats it
[21:24] <Sysi> xfce is best but lxde flies even on eee
[21:24] <nikolam> yup but i use xfce anyway, i get used to its solutions
[21:25] <Sysi> i have xfce with intel e5200 too :)
[21:25] <Sysi> haven't installed it yet to fedora
[21:26] <Sysi> i may want fedora, but that would propably mean compiling if i dont wait untill f12 is released
[21:28] <nikolam> hey I just don`t believe that wireless on eee shouldn`t be make to work on crrent fedora
[21:28] <Sysi> 701sd
[21:29] <nikolam> knome, there is a reason I was jumpy upon coming :)
[21:29] <Sysi> rtl8187se is problematic card
[21:29] <Sysi> rtl8187 driwers won't work
[21:30] <nikolam> I get bruised and kicked for the first time on #opensolaris yesterday, just for talking about GPL3. Obviously they are some kind of BSD freaks that control #opensolaris
[21:30] <nikolam> Sysi, of fedora you are talking?
[21:31] <Sysi> yup
[21:31] <Sysi> in xubu they work great
[21:31] <knome> nikolam, hah, sure.
[21:32] <nikolam> They seems to include BSD cone inside opensolaris and want it to keep that way
[21:32] <nikolam> code
[21:32] <nikolam> And they generally hate Linux wide gpl and userbase etc
[21:33] <nikolam> CCDL is like LGPL to me, but not to them, etc
[21:33] <nikolam> Sysi, I think you can change wireless card inside eee for some else :)
[21:34] <nikolam> it is just wireless mini pci express card inside :)
[21:38] <thejayjetson> hello
[21:39] <thejayjetson> anyone here?
[21:40] <forces> no
[21:41] <thejayjetson> hello forces
[21:41] <forces> !hi | thejayjetson
[21:41] <thejayjetson> i am stuck on the kboot screen of my ps3
[21:41] <forces> kboot?
[21:42] <thejayjetson> i have xubuntu burned to disc
[21:42] <thejayjetson> yes, kboot screen
[21:42] <thejayjetson> can't get system to recognize disc
[21:43] <thejayjetson> or to begin installation
[21:44] <thejayjetson> please help, my ps is in a coma until i fix this problem
[21:47] <thejayjetson> hello.........anyone availible at the moment?  needs some help with Xubuntu on the ps3
[21:50] <nikolam> hm
[21:50] <nikolam> you already used xubuntu on that sp3?
[21:51] <zk> Hi! Is it normal to have screen tearing with composite enabled with video playback?
[21:52] <nikolam> because newest ps3 type has removed ability to run linux, by SONY..
[21:52] <nikolam> zk what player, what version of xubuntu and what graphics driver and hardware?
[21:53] <nikolam> thejayjetson, what is model number of your ps3?
[21:53] <zk> nikolam, vlc xubuntu jaunty 9.04 nvidia gtx 280 with 185 driver
[21:54] <zk> nikolam, it works ok with compiz so it might be a problem with sync to vblank
[21:54] <nikolam> zk how it is doing with open driver only?
[21:54] <zk> nikolam, i'm using proprietary ones...
[21:55] <zk> nikolam, should i try open ones?
[21:55] <nikolam> I would try to compare on them
[21:55] <nikolam> But closed drivers problems are good to report directly to producer, say nvidia
[21:55] <nikolam> That might be fastest way to fix them
[21:56] <nikolam> or/and on lanchpad bug system, too
[21:56] <nikolam> Also some forum aabout nvidia drivers, too
[21:57] <nikolam> I used last year of two amd fglrx driver and I know how pain is that
[21:57] <zk> what are you using as a driver?
[21:59] <nikolam> well closed source amd driver, called fglrx.
[21:59] <zk> and it works tearing free ?
[21:59] <zk> the video playback with XFCE compositor
[22:00] <nikolam> zk depending on player.. my graphics is low end, integrated with mobo
[22:00] <zk> ok brb
[22:02] <nikolam> I know that driver model has been change since jaunty in kernel and that is why drivers still need some adjustments. feel free to report any glitches
[22:03] <nikolam> ok, I am rebooting now
[22:03] <nikolam> cul8r
[22:20] <slow-motion> n8
[22:26] <vallhalla81> can any one help i am having trouble getting my dvb-t from tevion working tryed many forums andd google searches
[23:05] <AryehGregor> Something messed with my dual-monitor setup, and now the panel options don't let me move panels to my primary monitor -- they just stick to my second monitor and don't give a choice of where to move them.  Any ideas, other than "try restarting X"?
[23:06] <AryehGregor> I can position windows in the other monitor, but panels refuse to go there.  Even if I set them to freely movable.
[23:12] <TheSheep> AryehGregor: try killing the panels and starting them
[23:53] <knome> AryehGregor, right-click panel -> customise -> "select monitor" ?
[23:54] <AryehGregor> knome, thanks, but there's no "select monitor".  There usually is, but now there's not.
[23:55] <knome> okay.
[23:55] <AryehGregor> TheSheep, bingo, thanks.
[23:56] <AryehGregor> Only problem is, now it's running in my terminal window.  How can I get it to detach and run in the background?
[23:56] <knome> AryehGregor, alt+f2
[23:57] <AryehGregor> Oh, clever.  Thanks!
[23:58] <knome> np. hope you enjoy xubuntu


[04:51] <FourDollars> Hi. Does anyone know how to use UTC=false of /etc/default/rcS properly in maverick? I have made a preseed "d-i clock-setup/utc boolean false" in binary_debian-installer/preseed.cfg of live-helper.
[04:54] <FourDollars> After the installation, UTC is false in /etc/default/rcS, but system time is not the same with BIOS time.
[07:10] <FourDollars> s/false/no/g
[11:20] <CIA-14> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1476 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel/linaro-omap.cfg debian/changelog): Move armel/linaro-omap to 2.6.39-1001 kernels.
[11:21] <CIA-14> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1477 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel/omap4.cfg debian/changelog): Move armel/omap4 to 2.6.38-1309 kernels.
[17:15] <dmarkey> cjwatson: are you going to dublin with the other canonical guys?
[17:24] <cjwatson> dmarkey: I'm in Dublin right now
[17:28] <dmarkey> Cool, you going to the drinks tomorrow night?
[17:28] <cjwatson> yeah, probably - the only question mark is that I've been a bit unwell so it depends how I feel
[17:29] <cjwatson> but I think I should be there
[17:29] <dmarkey> Ah, a hot bushmills will sort you right out.
[17:29] <cjwatson> :-)
[17:30] <cjwatson> I thought the heretics down here preferred Jameson's
[17:30] <dmarkey> Well. im an Ulsterman so I like to keep it local.
[17:31] <cjwatson> heh - I'm Belfast born and bred so I'd agree
[17:32] <dmarkey> I know.. we had a conversation about this ~18 months ago
[17:32] <cjwatson> ah, right, memory like a thing with holes in
[17:32] <dmarkey> erm.. Xen installer support bring any memories back?
[17:33] <cjwatson> yeah
[17:33] <cjwatson> just didn't remember talking about home that's all
[17:33] <dmarkey> Ah right, well im from Monaghan.. and guess what.. i work for Citrix.
[17:34] <dmarkey> :)
[17:35] <dmarkey> cjwatson: so, canonical has an office here?
[17:35] <cjwatson> no
[17:35] <cjwatson> we're in the Burlington Hotel
[17:36] <dmarkey> I see, so you go around Europe from time to time?
[17:37] <cjwatson> all over the place really, but usually EU/US
[18:24] <lool> Hmmm a bzr push of mine to debian-installer is stuck near completion
[18:24] <lool>     89kB    70kB/s - Fetching revisions:Inserting stream:Done 10/10
[18:24] <lool> ah here it goes; it obviously decided to proceed as I was typing this, after idling two minutes
[18:25] <CIA-14> debian-installer: lool * r1478 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[18:25] <CIA-14> debian-installer: build/config/armel.cfg, armel/versatile.cfg: disable versatile and revert
[18:25] <CIA-14> debian-installer: now useless Ubuntu changes since the versatile flavor was disabled in the
[18:25] <CIA-14> debian-installer: linux source package.


[04:16] <infinity> BenC: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-February/068781.html
[04:17] <infinity> BenC: ^--- Your fault, or udev's?
[04:17] <BenC> hold a sec
[04:19] <BenC> depends if something like "cat /dev/input/event#" worked or not
[04:19] <infinity> Well, you may want to followup with the user, or ask him to report it in Malone...
[03:30] <fabbione> BenC: ping?
[03:30] <BenC> fabbione: pong
[03:31] <zul> heylo
[03:31] <fabbione> hey zul
[03:31] <zul> how is it going?
[03:31] <fabbione> BenC: hey dude.. usual pull from my branch :)
[03:31] <BenC> ok
[03:31] <BenC> zul: you got anything for me?
[03:31] <fabbione> BenC: more SUN4V merges and i did bump B-D on kernel-package to fix a frigging annoying problem with sparc32 dpkg-buid... sparc64 dpkg-build..
[03:32] <fabbione> kernel-package is of course already in archive
[03:32] <BenC> fabbione: ok
[03:32] <zul> BenC: yeah i ll email you the patch tonight
[03:32] <fabbione> thanks dude...
[03:32] <BenC> np, thanks
[03:32] <fabbione> BenC: i also noticed a missing symbol building a scsi driver..
[03:33] <BenC> sym2 scsi driver?
[03:33] <BenC> oooh, yeah, I see it
[03:33] <BenC> that's bad
[03:34] <fabbione> you should have the message on the other chan
[03:34] <zul> i almost have my quietboot patch ready for grub
[03:34] <fabbione> yes
[03:34] <fabbione> i saw it on sparc
[03:34] <fabbione> no idea on other arches
[03:34] <fabbione> but i think it's the same
[03:35] <BenC> ah, it's on sparc64, but it isn't EXPORT_SYMBOL so modules can use it
[03:36] <fabbione> ok :)
[03:36] <fabbione> i didn't really have the time to check
[03:37] <BenC> easy fix, I'll get it in
[03:40] <doko_> jbailey, BenC: interesting for ia64 only. which linux-kernel-headers package shoudl be included in ia32-libs-dev? currently there is linux-kernel-headers_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu16_i386.deb
[03:40] <jbailey> doko_: The word I got from the folks at HP is that newer itanics don't do ia32, and therefor we should drop ia32 compatability.
[03:40] <jbailey> That's why lkh doesn'thave the multiarch stuff in it for ia64.
[03:41] <doko_> so should we drop it still for dapper?
[03:41] <fabbione> hmm spanking of ia64..
[03:41] <fabbione> let's look at that udev/kernel boot problem
[03:42] <Keybuk> which one is that?
[03:42] <fabbione> Keybuk: i saw udevplug segfaulting while parsing /sys
[03:42] <fabbione> the result is that no modules are loaded...
[03:42] <fabbione> but i didn't have time to dig it
[03:42] <fabbione> (found it yesterday)
[03:43] <fabbione> Keybuk: don't worry.. i will come back to you, if the bug is udev :)
[03:43] <BenC> my ia64 boots fine
[03:43] <BenC> no segv's that I saw
[03:43] <Keybuk> if it's a udevplug segfault, then it's likely a udevplug bug anyway
[03:43] <Keybuk> it shouldn't SEGV
[03:43] <fabbione> BenC: you told me yesterday that it didn't boot?
[03:43] <Keybuk> gimme a backtrace
[03:43] <fabbione> Keybuk: in a sec.. firing up console...
[03:44] <BenC> fabbione: that was a hw issue it seems
[03:44] <doko_> jbailey: I still leave it in for now
[03:44] <BenC> fabbione: anyway I can try to reproduce?
[03:44] <jbailey> doko_: Sure, I'm not fussed.  That's just why I didn't do it.
[03:45] <fabbione> BenC: i am booting my box now
[03:48] <fabbione> BenC: it looks like a kernel problem..
[03:48] <fabbione> let me check if it is the last one
[03:54] <doko_> jbailey: that would let us reduce ia32-libs to a more sane size
[03:57] <BenC> does ia64 need to bufforce udev?
[03:57] <BenC> need the
[03:57] <fabbione> BenC: no i don't think so
[03:57] <fabbione> the patch was for alpha/sparc/hppa
[03:57] <BenC> great, my ia64 doesn't appear to be rebooting
[03:57] <fabbione> it's kernel bug
[03:58] <fabbione> introduced between -15- and -16-
[03:58] <fabbione> nope
[03:58] <fabbione> it's parsing /sys makes baby jesus cry
[03:59] <fabbione> i am taking a trace now
[03:59] <BenC> is there a kernel message?
[04:00] <BenC> wow, ia64 has too man registers
[04:01] <BenC> any idea what file it is?
[04:01] <fabbione> BenC: see /msg
[04:01] <BenC> can you run lsof and see?
[04:01] <fabbione> there is also a new warning during boot i don't like
[04:01] <fabbione> ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0]  (0000:00)
[04:01] <fabbione> kernel unaligned access to 0xe0000040fffcfb44, ip=0xa000000100303581
[04:01] <fabbione> kernel unaligned access to 0xe0000040fffcfb7c, ip=0xa000000100303581
[04:01] <fabbione> kernel unaligned access to 0xe0000040fffcfbb4, ip=0xa000000100303581
[04:01] <fabbione> kernel unaligned access to 0xe0000040fffcfc04, ip=0xa000000100303581
[04:01] <fabbione> ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI4]  (0000:80)
[04:01] <fabbione> i didn't see it before
[04:01] <fabbione> i only have busybox here
[04:01] <BenC> acpi has always been broken on my ia64
[04:01] <fabbione> ok
[04:02] <BenC> it actually always oopses and disables the IRQ
[04:02] <fabbione> i can probably get to console
[04:02] <fabbione> if there was a frigging find in busybox...
[04:02] <BenC> let me run out to the barn and see what's on my screen
[04:03] <fabbione> the scsi driver loads fine..
[04:10] <BenC> sorry fabio, mines actually booting fine with -16
[04:10] <BenC> I forgot that if someone is on the phone, I lose wireless to the barn
[04:10] <zul> fabbione: busybox is quiet easy to modify...i have done it before..:)
[04:10] <BenC> I need to get a 5.8ghz cordless phone
[04:11] <fabbione> zul: i know.. that's not the issue..
[04:11] <fabbione> BenC: hmm ok
[04:11] <BenC> fabbione: pull/push from your repo
[04:11] <zul> ah
[04:11] <fabbione> BenC: what kernel?
[04:11] <fabbione> BenC: i am with itanium-smp
[04:11] <BenC> fabbione: one I just built, itanium-smp
[04:11] <BenC> what scsi driver do you use?
[04:12] <BenC> it may be related to the driver's sysfs support
[04:12] <fabbione> YOU SHOULD ALL DIE
[04:12] <BenC> rmmod Overfiend
[04:12] <fabbione> it's sym53c8xx
[04:12] <fabbione> eheh
[04:12] <BenC> rm -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/Overfiend.ko
[04:12] <fabbione> but i am getting there to a trace
[04:13] <fabbione> getting there
[04:14] <fabbione> stracing on 9600 bps console is SLOW
[04:14] <BenC> strace -o temp, then tail :)
[04:14] <fabbione> there is no tail in busybox i am afraid
[04:14] <fabbione> not the one for initramfs
[04:14] <BenC> ah
[04:18] <fabbione> oh craptastic
[04:19] <zul> hell ill just send the patch now...BenC you have new email...you bastard
[04:19] <fabbione> BenC: did you build your kernel from git?
[04:19] <BenC> fabbione: of course :)
[04:19] <BenC> zul: thanks biatch
[04:19] <fabbione> BenC: that might be why
[04:20] <fabbione> i think the bug is in the scsi driver
[04:20] <BenC> fabbione: because our git repo is the almighty accumulation of stability? :)
[04:20] <BenC> well, sym2 is updated in our repo
[04:20] <BenC> give it a go
[04:20] <fabbione> yeah
[04:21] <zul> BenC: no problem..
[04:21] <fabbione> nope
[04:22] <fabbione> but now i have a strace
[04:28] <fabbione> open("/sys/class/misc/efirtc/uevent", O_WRONLY <unfinished ...>
[04:28] <fabbione> +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
[04:28] <BenC> efirtc, hmm
[04:28] <fabbione> testing git now
[04:28] <fabbione> time to build, etc,
[04:28] <BenC> EFI time service
[04:29] <fabbione> yeps
[04:31] <BenC> nothing funny in the module
[04:32] <BenC> efirtc is built-in
[04:32] <BenC> tickling the file on my system doesn't cause any problems
[04:33] <BenC> echo 1 > /sys/class/misc/efirtc/uevent
[04:34] <fabbione> let me try with git
[04:44] <Keybuk> BenC: I think udevplug writes "poke" to uevent files, not "1\n" ;-)
[04:44] <Keybuk> jbailey probably would rather it wrote "does this tickle? he he he he"
[04:44] <BenC> hehe, I tried and accidentally typed "poker" :)
[04:52] <fabbione> BenC: ehe
[04:54] <remon> good afternoon
[04:55] <remon> I've a question about an alsa driver, but I think it's also related to the kernel (2.6)
[04:57] <remon> the echoaudio driver is in the alsa-driver package from 1.0.8rc2, but not included (don't know for some specific reason) in the kernel source. It would be lovely if the ubuntu kernel are compiled with the echoaudio drivers included too!
[04:59] <fabbione> remon: please file a wishlist bug on malone. http://launchpad.net/malone
[04:59] <fabbione> component: linux
[05:00] <remon> fabbione: thanks, will do so!
[05:00] <remon> (trying now myself to build an ubuntu kernel with the echoaudio driver added to the kernel source, does it help if I report the results? )
[05:01] <fabbione> it helps if you provide a non intrusive patch
[05:02] <remon> fabbione: I'll see if I can make one, if it works of course.....
[05:12] <remon> hmm, I'm having a bit trouble with using launchpad: "No revision control details recorded for 2.6.15 "
[05:12] <remon> it seems the linux kernel aren't (yet) managed by launchpad ?
[05:13] <zul> i think you might want linux-source
[05:14] <remon> zul: thanks, will try that one
[05:15] <remon> I'm only able to find this one: https://launchpad.net/products/linux
[05:15] <remon> and there are bug reports etc, but for some reason it complains with the above message
[05:16] <remon> ah, found the correct page, filling a report now! :)
[05:22] <BenC> remon: file a bug and mark it for Ubuntu and the linux-source-2.6.15 source package
[05:23] <remon> BenC: ok
[05:44] <jbailey> BenC: Tickling is so much more sensual than poking. ;)
[05:44] <zul> especially with a feather
[05:45] <zul> did i just say that?
[05:45] <fabbione> jbailey: what about spanking? :)
[05:52] <fabbione> BenC: same story with git
[05:54] <fabbione> BenC: i can trigger the error just with the echo
[06:23] <jbailey> fabbione: Sure, but I think I would have trouble saying that we spanked the events out of the kernel.
[06:23] <jbailey> Think gentle, soft and loving.
[06:38] <fabbione> BenC: it must be something local because it works on others ia64 too
[09:09] <BenC> zul: I don't think your patch will help...list archives I've read show people trying to disable the check aswell, but it ends up create an eth0 with a bad mac address
[09:10] <BenC> even more discouraging is that it is reported to happen even with Intel's e100 driver
[09:19] <BenC> doko_: ping
[09:19] <doko_> BenC: pong
[09:19] <BenC> doko_: I just scyned the latest mISDN CVS snapshot, and it is the same as what I already have in the kernel
[09:21] <BenC> 2006-03-02
[09:22] <BenC> ftp://ftp.isdn4linux.de/pub/isdn4linux/CVS-SnapshotsmISDN-CVS-2006-03-02.tar.bz2
[09:23] <BenC> missing / before mISDN
[09:23] <doko_> hmpff, I trusted the Debian maintainer ;-/
[09:23] <doko_> sorry
[09:23] <BenC> no problem
[09:24] <BenC> if there's some different config I need to do, just let me know, but I think I enabled as much as I could without conflicting with stock isdn drivers
[09:25] <doko_> so the Fritz/AVM driver is still disabled, correct?
[09:41] <mjg59> BenC: The sky2 module seems to be missing from the udebs?
[09:46] <doko_> BenC: which compiler do you use to build parisc64 kernels?
[09:46] <BenC> doko_: hppa64-linux-gcc, IIRC
[09:46] <BenC> I think the package is gcc-hppa64 or something
[09:47] <heatxsink> hello all
[09:47] <heatxsink> hi FireRabbit
[09:47] <BenC> mjg59: ok
[09:47] <FireRabbit> hi
[09:47] <heatxsink> are there any plans on including the lastest bluez kernel patch in any of the 2.6.15 ubuntu kernels?
[09:50] <mjg59> BenC: Which is the driver for the new Macs, so it would be nice :)
[09:50] <BenC> ok :)
[09:51] <BenC> heatsinx: Already done, will be in the 17.24 upload, which will happen in about 30 minutes
[09:51] <heatxsink> WHAT?
[09:51] <heatxsink> BenC:  awesome!!!!!!!!
[09:58] <mjg59> BenC: Any chance you can enable EFI support? Adds 8k to the kernel.
[09:59] <BenC> mjg59: sure
[10:01] <BenC> mjg59: what's the config option?
[10:02] <mjg59> CONFIG_EFI
[10:02] <mjg59> Also CONFIG_EFI_VARS
[10:02] <mjg59> Then I have a couple of patches to send you, but I need to figure out the framebuffer stuff first
[10:06] <BenC> ok, it wont be in 17.24, but I have it already in for 17.25
[10:06] <mjg59> Thanks
[10:16] <mjg59> BenC: Why is -386 CONFIG_SMP=n?
[10:17] <mjg59> It means I'm only getting one core up with the install kernel
[10:18] <fabbione> mjg59: you gain nothing at install time with SMP
[10:18] <fabbione> and it is safer choise to make the system boot
[10:18] <fabbione> +able
[10:21] <mjg59> fabbione: Uhm. Do we ship -686 kernels on the CD now?
[10:21] <fabbione> mjg59: on -server yes
[10:22] <mjg59> This isn't a server
[10:22] <fabbione> don't think so on desktop
[10:22] <mjg59> So an installed system won't end up with SMP. Hmm. That seems less than ideal.
[10:22] <fabbione> it was the same as warty/hoary/breezy
[10:23] <fabbione> there is no way to stick another kernel on the CD
[10:24] <mjg59> But we could shift the -386 kernel to be SMP now
[10:24] <mjg59> Since there's no performance hit
[10:25] <mjg59> But there /are/ an increasing number of dual-core systems on the market
[10:25] <mjg59> Hmm. It's slowed right down. I wonder why.
[10:25] <mjg59> I suspect overheating, but it's hard to tell...
[10:26] <mdz> we've had problems in the past with SMP kernels on UP systems; I think we ought to wait until after dapper
[10:26] <fabbione> mjg59: even if we have SMP on, HT is disabled anyway
[10:26] <mjg59> fabbione: No, real dual-core systems
[10:26] <fabbione> mjg59: ah ok
[10:27] <mjg59> Right, now I just need to reinstall MacOS so I can actually boot this...
[10:31] <mxpxpod> mjg59: what machine?
[10:32] <mjg59> Imac
[10:32] <mxpxpod> the new one, with the dual core?
[10:33] <mjg59> Yeah
[10:33] <mxpxpod> sweet... so linux runs on it, eh?
[10:33] <mjg59> Yup
[10:34] <mxpxpod> how about the macbooks?
[10:34] <mjg59> Small number of kernel changes needed. I need to figure out how to tie the framebuffer to the hardware.
[10:34] <mjg59> I'll let you know when I have one :)
[10:34] <mxpxpod> heh
[11:03] <mdz> BenC: has there been any feedback from the community on the server kernel?
[11:05] <mdz> BenC: are people using it; does it give them what they want?
[11:57] <BenC> people are using it
[11:57] <BenC> I've no idea if it's serving a purpose
[11:57] <BenC> mdz: I've had response mostly in the way of bug reports, which have been resolved, but it does show it is getting used


[08:52] <happyaron> jackyu jzheng FJKong 差不多本周可以发双拼的需求文档，到时叫2.0 意下如何
[08:56] <jackyu> happyaron, 听陈丰的:)
[08:56] <happyaron> ok


[04:09] <tti> hola
[18:08] <studio-user446> ciao
[18:51] <neva> Is here anyone who could help me with xrun problem. I have two m-audio delta cards on 14.04
[21:05] <ktespu> help


[02:03] <diddledan> GETIN!
[02:03] <diddledan> been messing with the ubuntu loco-team-directory code. finally got it up-to a modern version of django
[02:04] <daftykins> unchained?
[02:05] <daftykins> off to bed for me, nn - but congrats!   Happy Tuesday, and happy Wave At The Surveillance Cameras Day! 😃 📹
[09:14] <SuperMatt> Christ, my arm would drop off from all that waving
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> the trick is to make a dummy substitute with a waving arm and then use a predator cloak to do your daily chores...
[09:53] <TwistedLucidity> Are the surveillance cameras in your kids' bedrooms? Who knows who might be watching?
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> well if they're using tablets there...
[10:05] <davmor2> JamesTait: easy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs
[10:15] <JamesTait> davmor2, yep, that's the first that came to my mind.
[10:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: had to really :D
[12:24] <goojobpers> Incest is the best. Put your sister to the test
[12:24] <goojobpers> Incest is the best. Put your sister to the test
[12:24] <goojobpers> Incest is the best. Put your sister to the test
[12:25] <goojobpers> Her pussy is tight dawg
[12:25] <goojobpers> Watch her big twat twat expand
[12:25] <goojobpers> My dick will fuck her in the ass and pussy
[12:25]  * zmoylan-pi puts on the popcorn and waits for the hammer to fall
[12:26] <DJones> zmoylan-pi: https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiD2suf98XOAhVFJ8AKHYq-AuAQyCkIHzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJU5LMG3WFBw&v6u=https%3A%2F%2Fs-v6exp1-ds.metric.gstatic.com%2Fgen_204%3Fip%3D2a02%3Ac7f%3Aa425%3A400%3Ad496%3A547e%3A114d%3A6652%26ts%3D1471350367313803%26auth%3Ddm5abugkvg4ugbis76y4ugpbqcldjkle%26rndm%3D0.5346875068346726&v6s=2&v6t=3265&usg=AFQjCNHILpHJ6 ...
[12:26] <DJones> ... -bA7g_K3K707nlweLDDxw&sig2=ycamUKcsJkNWKJKg1ENGdA&bvm=bv.129759880,d.d24
[12:26] <DJones> Yuck, wrong link
[12:26] <m0nkey_> Holy long URL batman!
[12:26] <DJones> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU5LMG3WFBw
[12:26] <zmoylan-pi> can't go wrong with a little queen
[12:30] <DJones> Certainly can't
[15:25] <diddledan> I wonder if they checked their spambin? https://ostif.org/ostif-quarklab-and-veracrypt-e-mails-are-being-intercepted/
[16:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[16:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, ping
[16:05] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: pong
[16:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> did you see the onion 2 on kick starter?
[16:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, wht's it really for I mean something iot with linux or arduion, so hardware programing ?
[16:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, or omega  2 even
[16:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the iot thing
[16:16] <popey> i saw it
[16:16] <popey> not something I am interested in
[16:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, why not interested ?
[16:19] <popey> i dont need it
[16:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well yeah same here I Guess
[16:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but it's for ike hardware hacking isn't it, or to try and get people into that ?
[16:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, or do you mean you already do iot things, or can do
[16:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I was thinking maybe get the starter kit since that would only be about 60 pounds,  and then could learrn something new maybe, but then it's like hold on,  would that actually be used enough or not
[16:25] <diddledan> watching zoo. it's just landed on netflix. intriguing first episode
[16:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan  zoo hmm I turned Sky One on, on like two evenings ago and it was on I belive
[16:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or yesterday even
[16:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yesterday or day before yeah
[16:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but well that wasn't a animal documetanry :d, something else
[16:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not sure what zoo is actsauly about etc
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> and this goes out to all the firefly fans that lurk here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amse6MX0_Ck
[19:11] <daftykins> i've still not watched more than 1 or 2, everyone has overhyped it for me
[19:13] <zmoylan-pi> it was overhyped for me too but when i watched it i loved it... it had so much potential and was just hitting it's stride and then killed
[19:13] <agoodm> a
[19:14] <daftykins> b
[19:14] <zmoylan-pi> a suffusion of yellow
[19:17] <diddledan> I don't think I've seen any firefly, but I watched the spinoff movie and enjoyed that
[19:17] <diddledan> anyway, I'll be in my bunk
[19:17] <zmoylan-pi> the movie was great but not a patch on the 14 episodes of tv show
[19:18] <daftykins> diddledan: yay did you buy bunk beds?
[19:18] <zmoylan-pi> it's a line from the tv show
[19:19] <daftykins> ah
[19:20] <zmoylan-pi> their ambassador (super high class call girl/courtesan) brings a 'client' on board and it turns out to be a very elegant woman provoking a reaction from all the crew ending with jayne cobb the mercenary/public relations making that comment
[19:20] <funkyHat> Serenity makes more sense if you've seen Firefly
[19:21] <funkyHat> Pretty sure I've done a Firefly & Serenity marathon at least twice <_<
[19:22]  * zmoylan-pi is currently doing b5 since mr. garibaldi died...
[19:23] <funkyHat> You've eaten 5 garibaldi biscuits because the inventor of them died?
[19:23] <daftykins> 5 packs
[19:23] <funkyHat> ⢁D
[19:24] <zmoylan-pi> http://io9.gizmodo.com/rip-jerry-doyle-babylon-5s-mr-garibaldi-1784462252
[19:24] <popey> ali1234: you going to http://teletextart.co.uk/tickets-for-the-teletext-and-digitiser-festival-on-sale-now ?
[19:25] <ali1234> no
[19:26] <daftykins> that b5 looked like it required a lot more imagination on the part of the viewer
[19:26] <diddledan> b5 is epic
[19:27] <daftykins> as a kid it was the scifi you found on TV during the day on weekends
[19:27] <daftykins> so loved was it
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> trek is made by a company that has been doing sci fi since the 60s... b5 didn't have that to draw on.  but they put so much effort in and it shows
[19:28] <diddledan> I first discovered b5 in the late 90s on channel4's friday night scifi zone
[19:28] <zmoylan-pi> i kinda watched it then but had missed the start and it all links up so never got really into it.
[19:29] <diddledan> yeah I wasn't an avid watcher, I only saw it every so often - I've since done a proper binge
[19:29] <daftykins> hmm i don't recall much from channel 4 on friday nights late 90s apart from the debut of South Park, where you'd have that, Spin City and something else on in a row
[19:29] <zmoylan-pi> g'kar and londo... developed so well


[00:01] <darkxst> dsmythies1, mutter and gnome-shell were updated to 3.10 at the same time
[00:03] <darkxst> well it could be an issue with mixing gnome-settings-daemon 3.8 with mutter 3.10, but can rule that out if it is also broken in Fedora
[00:08] <dsmythies1> darkxst: I am not understanding some launchpad dates with what you are saying. I am downloading Fedora now.
[00:10] <darkxst> dsmythies1, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/3.10.3-0ubuntu1
[00:10] <darkxst> ^Look at the upload date, not changelog date
[00:14] <dsmythies1> darkxst: O.K. thanks. Yes, that seems to be the right date for saga start in the next day or two.
[00:19] <darkxst> dsmythies1, you could also try test with gnome-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon 3.10 update from ppa:darkxst/gnome310
[00:23] <dsmythies1> darkxst: If I can figure out how, then yes. (please note that I am somewhat IRC challenged. I am trying a new IRC program and it turned your ppa address into a happy face).
[00:24] <darkxst> https://launchpad.net/~darkxst/+archive/gnome310
[00:27] <dsmythies1> darkxst: Thanks
[01:05] <dsmythies1> darkxst: did "sudo apt-get upgrade gnome-settings-daemon" after adding your ppa and doing "sudo apt-get update". Now, and after a few re-boots, because of system problems, can not even open system settings at all.
[01:05] <darkxst> did you get gnome-control-center 3.10?
[01:06] <darkxst> and gnome-desktop3 3.10
[01:09] <dsmythies1> darkxst: sounds as though I should have run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" instead. There were packages held back.
[01:09] <darkxst> dsmythies1, also you probably need to do dist-upgrade
[01:14] <dsmythies1> darkxst: gnome-control-center is still held back.
[01:14] <dsmythies1> Reading package lists... Done
[01:14] <dsmythies1> doug@desk-gnome-tt2:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:14] <dsmythies1> Reading package lists... Done
[01:14] <dsmythies1> Building dependency tree
[01:14] <dsmythies1> Reading state information... Done
[01:14] <dsmythies1> Calculating upgrade... Done
[01:14] <dsmythies1> The following packages have been kept back:
[01:14] <dsmythies1>   gnome-control-center
[01:14] <dsmythies1> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[01:14] <dsmythies1> doug@desk-gnome-tt2:~$ dpkg -l | grep gnome-control-center
[01:14] <dsmythies1> ii  gnome-control-center                  1:3.6.3-0ubuntu50                      amd64        utilities to configure the GNOME desktop
[01:14] <dsmythies1> ii  gnome-control-center-data             1:3.6.3-0ubuntu50                      all          configuration applets for GNOME - data files
[01:14] <dsmythies1> ii  libgnome-control-center1              1:3.10.1-0ubuntu1~saucy3               amd64        utilities to configure the GNOME desktop
[01:14] <dsmythies1> doug@desk-gnome-tt2:~$
[01:21] <dsmythies1> darkxst: the computer is from a clean installation from the daily ubuntu gnome ISO of 2014.01.28 and was fully up to date as of just prior to adding your ppa.
[01:21] <darkxst> oh it might need gnome3-team/gnome3 ppa also
[01:22] <darkxst> or just change resolution with xrandr
[01:27] <darkxst> dsmythies1, oh, its broken due to the unity-control-center changes
[01:31] <darkxst> try 'xrandr -s 1680x1050'
[01:33] <dsmythies1> darkxst: I had no end of grief with xrandr yesterday. xrandr-tool also. Hmmm... anyway, it works now and the screen did change to the correct size.
[01:35] <dsmythies1> darkxst: I have to be away from my desk for awhile.
[01:38] <darkxst> dsmythies1, actually gnome-control-center build got stuck
[01:52] <Santhosh> hi
[01:53] <Santhosh> ive been using gnome 3.6 on gentoo on a physical machine and ubuntu in a virtual machine and just noticed that the ubuntu gnome does not have a notification area at the bottom
[01:53] <Santhosh> I'm using the ubuntu bits from http://ubuntugnome.org
[01:54] <Santhosh> doesn't ubuntu-gnome have a notification area?
[01:54] <Santhosh> I couldn't find it in 3.8 either (ubuntu 13.10)
+M
[01:55] <darkxst> or slide mouse down against bottom edge of screen with some speed
[01:55] <Santhosh> tried that
[01:55] <Santhosh> what's curious is that my Settings Panel does not have a Notification Icon
[01:55] <darkxst> gnome-control-center in 13.10 is too old for that
[01:56] <Santhosh> ah ok
+M doesn't seem to bring it up either
[03:20] <dsmythies1> darskxst: what does it mean that "gnome-control-center build got stuck"? Is that why I have worse issues now? Do you still want me to try Fedora?
[03:30] <dsmythies1> darkxst: I see that it seems to have built O.K. now. Am installing now.
[03:35] <dsmythies1> darkxst: My system is happy now and the issue is fixed. The "settings" window works properly. Thanks very much. I'll update the bug report.
[06:43] <darkxst> Noskcaj, do you have internet again? would be good to get gnome-photos and gnome-weather uploaded to NEW
[06:43] <darkxst> queue
[23:10] <isiah> Hello.
[23:10] <isiah> I was wondering about if something was a bug or not before I submit it.
[23:50] <isiah> When you right-click (or left-click) to bring up a menu, releasing after moving on the menu automatically selects the highlighted menu option. If you just click without the movement, it waits until the next left-click event (right does nothing). Is that a bug?


[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[11:14] <SilverLion> morning every1
[12:13] <SilverLion> hey passstab
[12:13] <passstab> yo
[18:15]  * SilverLion waves
[18:51] <SilverLion> anybody out here?
[18:52] <pleia2> yep, what can we help you with?
[18:55] <SilverLion> pleia2: the SII needs some testers for their software ... could you join #sii?
[18:57] <Jacky> ._. o/
[18:57] <Unit193> That's a bit unrelated...
[18:58] <Jacky> Unit193: you're so omnipresent, lol.
[19:00] <pleia2> SilverLion: no, sorry
[19:01] <pleia2> SilverLion: is sii packaged in Ubuntu? we might be able to include an article about it in an UWN section or something
[19:01] <pleia2> hey Jacky
[19:02] <Jacky> pleia2: not in Ubuntu, but we have a PPA up.
[19:02] <pleia2> ok, once it's in Ubuntu we can start including it in UWN :)
[19:03] <pleia2> we don't tend to report on PPAs, since there is so much actual in-Ubuntu stuff to report on
[19:03] <pleia2> we have to cull articles every week as it is, too much!
[19:03] <Jacky> Makes sense :P
[19:03] <SilverLion_> pleia2: then i have to apologize :(
[19:04] <Jacky> However, I wouldn't look to push it into "proposed" until we get a stable release out.
[19:04] <pleia2> SilverLion_: no worries, you're always welcome to ask and propose articles :)
[19:04] <pleia2> not all the articles *I* add are included either ;)