[21:19] <tcgden> just set my 7 yo son up with my old Acer and Lubuntu, he loves it
[21:19] <l337ingDisorder> is there a way to tell it to update grub specifically?
[21:19] <bodhi_zazen> any errors from that l337ingDisorder ?
[21:19] <Adam_Johns> I realise that but was told it was an ubuntu base so thought I would try, Sorry for the mistake.
[21:19] <bodhi_zazen> sudo update-grub
[21:20] <OerHeks> Adam_Johns, try #backbox irc official channel on irc.autistici.org
[21:20] <l337ingDisorder> no errors
[21:20] <l337ingDisorder> ok
[21:20] <l337ingDisorder> so in theory I should be good to go for a reboot now... (?)
[21:20] <bodhi_zazen> l337ingDisorder: you should be good to go then, does not appear you have any residual problem with apt or grub
[21:20] <CIDR> Ineed.
[21:20] <l337ingDisorder> ok here goes nothin
[21:20] <wilee-nilee> Adam_Johns, This appears to be a backbaox irc channel I see none on freenode. http://irc.lc/autistici/backbox/
[21:21] <l337ingDisorder> (and in case I don't make it back, thanks for the help)
[21:21]  * l337ingDisorder holds his breath and plunges under water
[21:21] <cgt> uname says that I am running kernel version 3.11.0-12-generic (on saucy). Is this equivalent kernel 3.11.6 or is it actually 3.11.0?
[21:21] <vlt> Is /sbin/cryptsetup still supposed to be installed to initrd.img automatically in Ubuntu 13.10?
[21:21] <Ntemis> wilee-nilee: the picture in link shows that i must be on 12.04.3 to be able to migrate to rarring HWE
[21:21] <vlt> (+ the needed libs of course)
[21:22] <bodhi_zazen> vlt: should be, how did you install / set up LUKS?
[21:22] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: I installed the pkg cryptsetup via apt
[21:22] <CIDR> Alright.  This is driving me nuts. I have ubuntu 13.10 installed, and xbmc 12.2 installed.  In XBMC I only have Defaults (Pulseaudio) for audio output available.  If I remove/kill pulse XBMC has the right passthtrough devices, but then no sound works in the gui/web broswer/ etc...  How do I either get ubuntu to work with only Alsa, OR make pulseaudio not take over the audio hardware completely?
[21:22] <wilee-nilee> Ntemis, If it was 12.04.3 you would have it already I believe, I installed it and it was the raring kernel.
[21:22] <bodhi_zazen> vlt: so you set up LUKS manually ?
[21:23] <Ntemis> wilee-nilee: can i do this? from 12.04.2 :: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-rarring xserver-xorg-lts-rarring libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-rarring
[21:23] <bodhi_zazen> rather then during installation ?
[21:23] <wilee-nilee> Ntemis, On a server it does not really matter anyway really.
[21:23] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: Yes, the device was already a LUKS device. What do I need to do to let /sbin/cryptsetup appear in the initrd.img?
[21:23] <Ntemis> i know but... i stay on 12.04.2? no way!!
[21:23] <wilee-nilee> Ntemis, Are you backed up?
[21:23] <Ntemis> nope
[21:24] <Ntemis> any reported issues?
[21:24] <bodhi_zazen> vlt: rebuild the initrd, can you boot it from an old kernel ?
[21:24] <ozbrk> Guys I need help I have dozens of SSL errors with Arora
[21:24] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: I rebuilt it over and over.
[21:24] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: No cryptsetup
[21:24] <wilee-nilee> Ntemis, All it is, is a kernel stack, hardly important, and all I can say is if you really care image/clone it ad follow the instruction in the link.
[21:25] <wilee-nilee> and*
[21:25] <bodhi_zazen> vlt: how did you rebuild it ?
[21:25] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: I tried mkinitramfs and dpkg-reconfigure.
[21:25] <Ntemis> wilee-nilee: with the quantal cmd?
[21:26] <wilee-nilee> Ntemis, I can't help you here, I would if I knew you were backed up honestly.
[21:26] <Ntemis> is my risk
[21:26] <pabdou> hi at the momemnt i have a linux backuppc that i am looking to configure and connect to all machines in the building if anyone will be able to tell me what will be the procedures to do that
[21:26] <bodhi_zazen> vlt: try update-initramfs
[21:26] <Ntemis> and i have a lot of gb on this so i cant backup -> no space
[21:26] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: Thanks. brb
[21:27] <wilee-nilee> Ntemis, WE see to many people here who do not back up and spend days on this stuff, when a simple clone would fix it.
[21:27] <Ntemis> clone what? i can always bootup the old kernel
[21:28] <wilee-nilee> Ntemis, You have your cart about 10 mile in front of our horse then if you have no room.
[21:28] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> am using ecryptfs, my disk started going bad, i was able to recover all of .ecryptfs and part of .Private .. Would that make it to where i cant mount what i recovered
[21:28] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: Nope. When I look into the generated initrd cpio archive there's no cryptsetup binary (nor libs)
[21:28] <Ntemis> clear and out, am staying on 12.04.2 for now
[21:28] <bodhi_zazen> is cryptsetup installed ?
[21:29] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> yes, i installed it all back
[21:29] <cgt> uname says that I am running kernel version 3.11.0-12-generic (on saucy). Is this equivalent kernel 3.11.6 or is it actually 3.11.0?
[21:29] <bodhi_zazen> is cryptsetup in I think /usr/share/initramfs/hooks?
[21:30] <ikonia> cgt: 3.11.0 - as it says in the title
[21:30] <bodhi_zazen> did you update the correct kernel image ?
[21:30] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> that file dont exist
[21:30] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> you think wrong
[21:30] <cgt> ikonia: I figured, but why wouldn't Ubuntu provide updated versions of k3.11?
[21:30] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: Yes, cryptsetup is installed and works.
[21:31] <ikonia> cgt: why would they unles there is something needed
[21:31] <bodhi_zazen> sounds like a bug report then
[21:31] <bodhi_zazen> I can tell you how to manually add cryptsetup to the initramfs ;)
[21:32] <cgt> ikonia: The updates are released because they are needed, not just because they can...
[21:32] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> its in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/
[21:32] <ikonia> cgt: who said ?
[21:32] <cgt> ikonia: look at the changelog
[21:32] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: I get a warning from update-initramfs "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab for crypt". I know this warning from earlier Ubuntu versions but that hasn't been a problem. And I know that at least _something_ happens with cryptsetup during the creation.
[21:32] <ikonia> cgt: that doesn't mean they are "needed"
[21:32] <ikonia> cgt: they can't update to every minor kernel bump, the workload would be through the roof
[21:32] <ikonia> it's not realistic
[21:33] <bodhi_zazen> so post /etc/cryptsetup
[21:33] <bodhi_zazen> and the full error message
[21:33] <cgt> ikonia: Why would it be "through the roof"?
[21:33] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: There's no error message.
[21:33] <bodhi_zazen> the warning
[21:33] <ikonia> cgt: minor kernel version bumps happen quite quickly, they would need constant rebuilds and testing
[21:33] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04>  bodhi_zazen: actually its the same system install and i had everything on an external drive, and it droped and started going bad, and what i coud recover i put back in the home folder
[21:33] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: /etc/cryptsetup is empty.
[21:33] <bodhi_zazen> and /etc/crypttab, lol
[21:34] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab for crypt -"
[21:34] <bodhi_zazen> can you pastebin the contents of /etc/crypttab
[21:34] <cgt> ikonia: The changes are usually minor, it should require sa extensive testing as major versions
[21:34] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: /etc/crypttab is empty (except for the commented header line)
[21:34] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> # <target name> <source device>         <key file>      <options>
[21:34] <cgt> *shouldn't
[21:34] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> thats all thats in crypttab
[21:35] <ikonia> cgt: it's still testing,
[21:35] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> should it be mounted while doing this?
[21:35] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04>  bodhi_zazen? ^
[21:35] <cgt> ikonia: Sure, but it can't be that much. Minor kernel versions aren't supposed to break things.
[21:36] <ikonia> cgt: the test cycle would still be a lot
[21:36] <cgt> ikonia: it's just minor fixes. LOTS of bugfixes
[21:36] <ikonia> cgt: no distro does this though
[21:36] <bodhi_zazen> Add a line for your root device
[21:36] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> what should it be
[21:36] <bodhi_zazen> format is "<name>  <device>  none"
[21:36] <bodhi_zazen> name is UUID= the drive UUID (blkid)
[21:36] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> not following
[21:37] <bodhi_zazen> and cryptsetup likdUUID <device> will give the devide
[21:37] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> its back in the home user folder now
[21:38] <bodhi_zazen> example - luks       UUID=2505567a-9e27-4efe-a4d5-15ad146c258b
[21:38] <HeathHayle> How do I see if a usb wifi is detected correctly in ubuntu?
[21:38] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04>  bodhi_zazen can u im me so other chat dont keep scrolling
[21:41] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: How to add cryptsetup (and all needed lib files) to initrd manually?
[21:41] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: I know how to inflate an old initrd and how to create a new initrd.img (gz) file.
[21:42] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: I just don't know ehich files to put where.
[21:42] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: And btw: There's no cryptsetup file in /usr/share/inintramfs-tools/hooks
[21:43] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: There's a cryptroot but not a generic cryptsetup script.
[21:44] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, didn't work :(
[21:44] <l337ingDisorder> am now on a liveCD
[21:44] <l337ingDisorder> hang on, I'll pastebin what it says when I try to boot now
[21:45] <CIDR> Hemm
[21:46] <l337ingDisorder> http://pastebin.com/dMbaKJB0
[21:46] <jgraftastic> err:winediag:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo The Mesa OpenGL driver is using software rendering, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly
[21:46] <jgraftastic> anybody know how to fix this? its for lord of the rings online
[21:46] <HeathHayle> Any ideas?
[21:46] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, bodhi_zazen: This comes up when I boot: http://pastebin.com/dMbaKJB0
[21:46] <bodhi_zazen> vlt: I think your problem is with ecryptfs, and not LUKS, thus you are barking up the wrong tree
[21:46] <CajunTechie> Hey everyone. Quick question: how do I get in touch with the folks at developer.ubuntu.com? I need to upload a new version of my application and it keeps giving me a 400 error.
[21:47] <CIDR> hrmm
[21:47] <CIDR> that's weird, and you did do the grub-update
[21:47] <l337ingDisorder> ya
[21:47] <l337ingDisorder> it threw no errors
[21:47] <CIDR> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1511863&page=3   Try the steps on post #22
[21:47] <bodhi_zazen> you on a live CD l337ingDisorder ?
[21:47] <l337ingDisorder> bodhi_zazen, yeah
[21:48] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, thanks will check that
[21:48] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: There's no ecryptfs onvolved here.
[21:48] <vlt> *involved
[21:48] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: Why did you think ecryptfs?
[21:48] <Pyro_Killer> tally ho chaps, i have installed ubuntu minimalist, and the i installed gnome fallback on top of it, however the GUI does not start on startup, how do i start the gui, startx doesn't work
[21:50] <bodhi_zazen> vlt: mkdir ~/initrd
[21:51] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: done
[21:51] <bodhi_zazen> cd
[21:51] <CygnusS> Pyro_Killer: try service lightdm restart
[21:51] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, hit a snag at the very first step... When doing the first code snippet I get this output: mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'
[21:52] <Pyro_Killer> CygnuS: tried it, doesn't work
[21:52] <HeathHayle> Any ideas anyone?
[21:52] <bodhi_zazen> lzma -dc -S .lz /boot/your_initrd.lz | cpio -imvd --no-absolute-filenames
[21:52] <bodhi_zazen> cp /sbin/cryptsetup sbin/
[21:52] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, (the system is running on a RAID-1 array set up with mdadm
[21:52] <Pyro_Killer> CygnuS: this is ofdfashioned gnome on 12.04.3
[21:52] <bekks> l337ingDisorder: you even had a software RAID? that would have been important before...
[21:52] <bodhi_zazen> find . | cpio --quiet --dereference -o -H newc | lzma -7 > ../custom.initrd.lz
[21:53] <CIDR> Ohhhhhh
[21:53] <CIDR> That would of been important to know
[21:53] <bodhi_zazen> then cp your "custom.initrd.lz" to boot (make a back up of the old)
[21:53] <l337ingDisorder> yeah sorry, I didn't even remember until just now
[21:53] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: But the libs are still missing
[21:53] <CIDR> is /boot on both disks?
[21:53] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: Don't I nee the hook function copy_exec?
[21:54] <vlt> *need
[21:54] <l337ingDisorder> not sure..
[21:54] <bodhi_zazen> no, and I do not think you need much libs
[21:54] <bodhi_zazen> vlt: http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/initramfs/
[21:54] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, is there an easy way for me to find out?
[21:54] <mydog2> hi.. trying to install php-zts but can't seem to find it - apt-get install php-zts
[21:54] <bodhi_zazen> vlt: and you should file a bug report to see if you can fix the underlying problem
[21:55] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: When I trie dto boot with only /sbin/cryptsetup it complained about missing libcryptsetup.so.4.  So I copied it also, it complained about another one ... So I wanted to find out how to do this right.
[21:55] <bodhi_zazen> ldd /sbin/cryptsetup
[21:55] <bodhi_zazen> and copy those libs
[21:55] <CIDR> well your /mount showed only /dev/sdb1 mounted not /dev/sda1
[21:55] <CIDR> umount /boot
[21:55] <CIDR> mount /dev/sda1 /boot
[21:55] <CIDR> ls /boot I bet everything is missing again
[21:56] <HeathHayle> Did anyone read my question?
[21:56] <vlt> HeathHayle: No
[21:56] <CygnusS> PyroKiller check grep "EE" /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors for infos
[21:56] <HeathHayle> Can anyone help me?
[21:57] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, right now I'm booted to the live CD... are you sure I should do umount /boot and then mount /dev/sda1 /boot   ?
[21:57] <CIDR> no
[21:57] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: Thanks. You saved me another 13 boot, create initrd, reboot cycles
[21:57] <fishscene> HeathHayle: The quesiton was posted quite a while ago. You may need to ask again.
[21:57] <CIDR> mkdir /tmp/boot; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot; ls /boot
[21:57] <bodhi_zazen> vlt: no problem =)
[21:57] <Pyro_Killer> CygnuS: Neither of the files are there because there is no Xorg starting
[21:57] <CIDR> ermm mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/boot
[21:58] <Pyro_Killer> CygnuS: I thought they replaced Xorg some time ago
[21:58] <bodhi_zazen> the only other issue, I hope the initramfs has a script for luks already (sounds as if it does)
[21:58] <HeathHayle> How do I see if s wireless usb dongle is working correctly cos I cant connect to a hidden network
[21:58] <bodhi_zazen> HeathHayle: iwconfig recognize the device ?
[21:58] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, http://pastebin.com/ZZT65QRz
[21:59] <CIDR> cat /proc/mdstat
[22:00] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, no personalities listed, unused devices: <none>
[22:00] <CIDR> ahh your life cd didn't pick them pu?
[22:00] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: Yes, it has. Otherwise it wouldn`t ask me to enter the passphrase when booting. There was just cryptsetup ising.
[22:00] <vlt> *missing
[22:01] <bodhi_zazen> is it working now vlt ?
[22:01] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: Didn't reboot yet
[22:02] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, ok I did mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 to get my array recognized
[22:02] <l337ingDisorder> however
[22:02] <CygnusS> Pyro_Killer sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:03] <l337ingDisorder> still getting the same "mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'" output even though /proc/mdstat now shows both drives in the array
[22:03] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR,  ^^^
[22:03] <CIDR> yeah
[22:03] <CIDR> mount /dev/md0 /tmp/boot
[22:03] <l337ingDisorder> yeah that's what gives me the mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'
[22:03] <l337ingDisorder> oh
[22:03] <l337ingDisorder> nvm
[22:04] <l337ingDisorder> ok
[22:04] <vlt> bodhi_zazen: I did something else and read the cryptroot hook script. It seems to return 1 now on an empty crypttab file. After creating one I don't get the warning anymore AND there's cryptsetup in initr.img now.
[22:04] <l337ingDisorder> mounted, and the files are there
[22:04]  * vlt boots
[22:04] <l337ingDisorder> now I need to remember wtf I did to set it up such that it would boot to the RAID array... man that was like 2 years ago lol
[22:05] <mediawork> hi
[22:05] <CIDR> I imagien your menu.1st is jacked up
[22:05] <CIDR> cd /boot/grub; nano menu.1st
[22:06] <mediawork> my wife just ran an update on her ubuntu 13.04 ... ,  after restart, the login process is broke,  ... basically she enters her login, an screen goes blank for a few seconds and returns back to login screen.
[22:06] <l337ingDisorder> (installing vim)
[22:06] <mediawork> is this a known issue with the latest update?
[22:06] <CIDR> well /tmp/boot/grub/menu.1st
[22:06] <mediawork> how can I revert the last update?
[22:06] <bekks> mediawork: You cant revert it. Do you have enough disk space left?
[22:07] <mediawork> bekks,  I thinks so, let me see.
[22:07] <Pyro_Killer> FUCk this im reinstalling
[22:07] <l337ingDisorder> oh hang on
[22:07] <CIDR> l337ingDisorder:  http://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch-p2 check this out
[22:07] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, /tmp/boot is actually / on the raid array, not /boot/
[22:07] <bekks> !language | Pyro_Killer
[22:07] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, ie it has my full filesystem listed in /tmp/boot right now
[22:08] <Pyro_Killer> sorry, it will not repeat itself
[22:08] <CIDR> oh
[22:08] <CIDR> then /dev/md1 ?
[22:08] <l337ingDisorder> there's no /dev/md1
[22:08] <CIDR> assemble it
[22:08] <mediawork> bekks,  loads and loads of space
[22:08] <Pyro_Killer> wait, oh it magically repaired itself, sometimes ubuntu is a weird beast
[22:09] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, not identified in config file.
[22:09] <roddenberry> mdadm --scan or something
[22:09] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, I somewhat recall that I had to set up the /boot/ partition as non-raid
[22:09] <l337ingDisorder> lemme fire up gparted, see if it sheds some light on this
[22:09] <rhin0> anyone know why virtualbox (set up for ubuntu) .. doesn't give the option for 64 bit ubuntu anymore?
[22:10] <mediawork> bekks,  you have any idea how our login process can be broke -- it kinda reminds me of graphics cards issues.. :S   we are using nvidia
[22:10] <bodhi_zazen> rhin0: the only time I have seen that is when hardware acceleration is disabled in you BIOS
[22:10] <bekks> mediawork: Then check the Xorg.0.log in /var/log
[22:10] <rhin0> hardware accelaration is n aoption in bios
[22:10] <rhin0> i saw something like that thanks
[22:11] <bodhi_zazen> so, activate it ;)
[22:11] <mediawork> bekks,  ok will do,   here is her new uname -a ::::  Linux wh-desktop 3.8.0-32-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 1 22:35:23 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:11] <gustavo> Hi
[22:11] <rhin0> is it a quantum activator or a psyzork type c activator
[22:11] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, ok.. /dev/sda has an ext3 partition, /dev/sdb has a 100mb ext3 partition as /dev/sdb1 (my /boot/ partition was 100 mb so I think that's it) and also has a matching ext3 partition for the one on /dev/sda/
[22:11] <mediawork> bekks,  she definately had a kernel update.
[22:12] <gustavo> Is this the Ubuntu chat?
[22:12] <bodhi_zazen> rhin0: urn kvm-ok
[22:12] <bekks> mediawork: That might have broken it.
[22:12] <rhin0> bodhi_zazen: data rivit.
[22:12] <gustavo> Is this the Blowuntu channel???
[22:13] <CIDR> ok
[22:13] <l337ingDisorder> ok
[22:13] <CIDR> l337ingDisorder: So I imagine sda or sdb is blank
[22:13] <gustavo> Or the Suckbuntu channel???
[22:13] <CIDR> and one has the right stuff on it
[22:13] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, I unmounted /tmp/boot and mounted /dev/sdb1 to /tmp/boot
[22:13] <CIDR> so we should be able to mount both of them, then do a cp-dpRX /whervertgoodstuffis /wherverisblank
[22:13] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, now /tmp/boot shows the files that were in /boot/ before
[22:14] <CIDR> umount /dev/sdb1; mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/boot
[22:14] <CIDR> ?
[22:14] <mediawork> bekks,  I dont see anything immediately wrong.. what should I be looking for,  can I grep something?
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> CIDR:  that should let you see the contents of sda1 at /tmp/boot
[22:14] <mediawork> bekks, is it possible that I can reboot her system and load the old kernel instead?
[22:14] <bekks> mediawork: check wether the nvidia module is loaded.
[22:14] <CIDR> Dr_Willis: correct
[22:14] <CIDR> I was asking him what it shows
[22:15] <bekks> mediawork: Yes, just press the shift key after the BIOS POST, to enter the grub menu.
[22:16] <mediawork> bekks, nvidia is loaded, and talking a lot on Xorg.log
[22:16] <mediawork> bekks,  but no immediate error to be seen in the Xorg.log
[22:16] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Seems webcamstudio has been ported to work with 13.10 - nifty - now to see if it actually works
[22:16] <bekks> mediawork: Then you may check ~/.xsession-errors
[22:17] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'
[22:17] <bekks> l337ingDisorder: Then specify a filesystem.
[22:17] <tjj_> I just upgraded to 13.10 and I want to use the static window switcher. But I don't see that option in compiz config manager anywhere. Is there something I need to install to get the old switcher back?
[22:17] <bekks> l337ingDisorder: Pastebin: sudo blkid please
[22:17] <mediawork> bekks,   (nautilus:2191): Gdk-WARNING **: nautilus: Fatal IO error 0 (Success) on X server :0.
[22:17] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, to reitterate, there are two drives.. sda has only the ext3 raid partition, sdb has the ext3 raid partition and an ext3 boot partition that is not raid
[22:17] <l337ingDisorder> (just making sure we're on the same page)
[22:18] <bekks> l337ingDisorder: then mount -t ext3 ...
[22:18] <l337ingDisorder> bekks, why am I mounting /dev/sda1 exactly? It doesn't have the boot partition on it
[22:19] <l337ingDisorder> sda only has the counterpart to the raid partition on sdb
[22:19] <CIDR> but it does
[22:19] <mediawork> bekks,  I think maybe we should simply revert this kernel update.
[22:19] <CIDR> I'm guessing sda has nothing on it
[22:19] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, sda has data on it
[22:19] <mediawork> bekks,  there are errors relating to her wacom tablet input device, and also some immediate problem with nautilus... Im not sure how important nautilus is for unity
[22:19] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, it has the mirror of the raid array
[22:20] <Lyut> Hey guys, when I try and install windows on to another partition, I can't because the disk is in GPT, is there any way around this?
[22:20] <mediawork> bekks,  would it fail desktop environment from loading
[22:20] <CIDR> Im saying sda has a 100 meg parititon on it tow right?
[22:20] <Lyut> I want to dual-boot Windows for gaming
[22:20] <CIDR> both match?
[22:20] <sophie_> What's the best way in Ubuntu to check for bad sectors on a drive?
[22:20] <CIDR> sda1 sdb1 ?
[22:20] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, no
[22:20] <PabloPerdomo> hola
[22:21] <CIDR> They're not both 100 meg partitions?
[22:21] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, on sda there is only one ext3 partition, 300GB or so... on sdb there are two partitions; one is a 100mb partition and the other is the matching 300gb partition for the raid array
[22:21] <CIDR> ohhh
[22:21] <ElTimo> Is SNA enabled by default in 13.10?
[22:21] <CIDR> so your boot parition isn't actually on a raid1 array
[22:21] <CIDR> Gotcha
[22:21] <l337ingDisorder> I set it up so that my /boot/ partition was not raid
[22:22] <CIDR> I'm guessing your menu.1st isn't correct
[22:22] <bodhi_zazen> sophie_: sudo badblocks /dev/sda1 or whatever partition you want
[22:22] <CIDR> trying to boot from sda1 and not working
[22:22] <l337ingDisorder> menu.1st tries to load /dev/md0
[22:22] <sophie_> bodhi_zazen,  thanks
[22:22] <CIDR> yeah...
[22:22] <CIDR> grub
[22:22] <tjj_> How can I ungroup windows in the switcher in 13.10?
[22:22] <l337ingDisorder> should have backed up my old menu.1st before updating grub
[22:23] <mediawork> bekks,  go figure... I unplugged the wacom tablet device, and now we can log in.
[22:23] <l337ingDisorder> technically trying to boot from /dev/sdb1 not /dev/sda1
[22:23] <mediawork> bekks,  into desktop that is
[22:23] <CIDR> pastbin your menu.1st
[22:23] <CIDR> Yeah, as you should be
[22:23] <CIDR> but your menu.1st is probably pointing to sda1
[22:23] <bodhi_zazen> sophie_: be warned, it may be s sign your drive is failing, it can last a while, or it can fail with little or no warning (I've seen both), back up your data ;)
[22:24] <sophie_> The drive is quite old, I just want to see if there's any sign of it failing
[22:24] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, http://pastebin.com/BnxXDMNu
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> always assume a drive is failing.. and can die at any time.
[22:25] <bodhi_zazen> sophie_: you might also want smartmontools
[22:25] <bodhi_zazen> http://blog.shadypixel.com/monitoring-hard-drive-health-on-linux-with-smartmontools/
[22:26] <mediawork> hi
[22:26] <CIDR> hrmm
[22:26] <mediawork> we figured out that latest kernel update screwed up one of the input devices, and failst the unity and gnome desktop environmentss.
[22:26] <CIDR> Alright
[22:26] <mediawork> how can we undo the kernel update?
[22:26] <CIDR> Try changing your first deal to root=/dev/sdb1
[22:26] <CIDR> and reboot
[22:27] <l337ingDisorder> thought that might be the solution
[22:27] <l337ingDisorder> will do
[22:27] <Dr_Willis> mediawork:  the grub menu should have a list of all installed kernels. select an older one.
[22:27] <bodhi_zazen> mediawork: boot an old kernel from the grub menu and then remove the new kernel
[22:27] <mediawork> Dr_Willis, bodhi_zazen ,   ok, thanks, however, remove as in how? --- sudo rm /boot/...?
[22:28] <mediawork> Dr_Willis, bodhi_zazen ,   sudo apt-get remove kernel?
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> mediawork:  err... USE THE PACKAGE MANAGER. ;) if you used it to install stuff..
[22:28] <bodhi_zazen> apt-get
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> theres even ways to just select the older kernel by default in /etc/default/grub
[22:30] <dailylinux> Can't mini.iso be dd into USB pen drive for installation?
[22:30] <mediawork> bodhi_zazen, Dr_Willis ,  I did aptitude search kernel, but there are no update packages listed... how can I find the one I want to remove?
[22:30] <wilee-nilee> dailylinux, no gui there?
[22:31] <bodhi_zazen> grep vmlinuz /boot
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> mediawork:   by its version number i would assume.    the askubuntu.com site has some info on how to select the proper kernels i recall.
[22:31] <bodhi_zazen> dpkg -l | grep linux
[22:31] <wilee-nilee> dailylinux, The regular iso can I would assume the mini can.
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[22:31] <dailylinux> hmm, ok
[22:32] <mediawork> bodhi_zazen,  that was it!... we have kernel update 47... i.e.    linux-image-extra-3.8.0-32-generic        3.8.0-32.47
[22:32] <wilee-nilee> dailylinux, Which release, the mini became the alternate in 12.10 as far as the name.
[22:32] <bodhi_zazen> mediawork: you just will not be able to delete (remove) a running kernel is all
[22:33] <bodhi_zazen> mediawork: you can file a bug report and put kernel updates on hold
[22:33] <mediawork> bodhi_zazen,  it only affects all those wacom tablet artists out there... they are a minority :)
[22:33] <bodhi_zazen> http://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package
[22:34] <bodhi_zazen> well, will not get fixed if you do not report it
[22:34] <mediawork> bodhi_zazen, ok will file bug report, after I confirm it is only the kernel.
[22:35] <Lyut> Has anyone here installed Windows after Ubuntu before?
[22:35] <Lyut>  I need some help with it :P
[22:35] <wilee-nilee> Lyut, It booting to windows now?
[22:35] <Lyut> No
[22:35] <bodhi_zazen> Lyut: it has been done many times, describe your problem
[22:36] <Lyut> I can't install it because my disk is formatted in GPT
[22:36] <Lyut> I want to install it on the same disk as Ubuntu
[22:36] <HeathHayle> How do I shutdown a crashed ubuntu system?
[22:36] <wilee-nilee> Lyut, Did you originally have a W8 oem on there?
[22:36] <Lyut> W7
[22:36] <bodhi_zazen> hold the power button HeathHayle
[22:36] <Lyut> But I removed it
[22:37] <Lyut> Although there was a 100mb partition left, I wasn't sure if it was my SSD manufacturer's partition or if it was installed by Windows
[22:37] <HeathHayle> Thats not a safe shutdown though is it?
[22:37] <wilee-nilee> Lyut, The point is why the gpt is this a uefi computer?
[22:37] <wylde> HeathHayle, before that can you ctrl+alt+F1 to console?
[22:37] <Lyut> Yeah it's UEFI
[22:38] <wilee-nilee> Lyut, Go to ##windows on this issue, come back for the grub boot.
[22:38] <rosco_y> is there an easy-to-use software for recording a desktop with sound to a video file?
[22:38] <HeathHayle> Then how do I shutdown after that?
[22:38] <Lyut> Alright thanks
[22:39] <wilee-nilee> Lyut, NO problem uefi info here is sketchy at times is all.
[22:39] <wylde> HeathHayle, 'sudo shutown -P now' to shutdwon. 'sudo reboot' to reboot, or optionally maybe restarting lightdm may recover you 'sudo service lightdm restart'.
[22:39] <rosco_y> I tried "Kazaam" and "recordMyDesktop" without luck
[22:40] <HeathHayle> No its not working when I type the password the HDD Is still working on the other task that was it going in the gui i think
[22:41] <wylde> HeathHayle, which command isn't working?
[22:41] <HeathHayle> Its just console is being really slow
[22:42] <wylde> HeathHayle, it will if somthing like compiz is puking ;) Running the cpu up to 99-100%
[22:42] <wilee-nilee> Lyut, You have to be registered with freenode to use the ##windows channel and some others.
[22:42] <HeathHayle> Is it ok to shutdown at console if the gui is trying to do something?
[22:43] <Lyut> Oh right :/
[22:43] <wylde> HeathHayle, far better than a hard reset since it will at least attempt to shutdown properly
[22:44] <bekks> 22/j #areca
[22:44] <bekks> gna.
[22:44] <HeathHayle> It didn't reqnise -p
[22:44] <wylde> HeathHayle,  -P
[22:44] <Sander^Lap> How can I install more software on my usb stick with live ubuntu?
[22:45] <wylde> HeathHayle, case matters
[22:45] <Sander^Lap> I cant find.. eg. ubuntu-restricted-extras package when I apt-get search for it.
[22:45] <HeathHayle> Oh yer its linux forgot that lol
[22:45] <HeathHayle> Why is linux case sen I never get that?
[22:46] <CIDR> Because the filesystem is case sensitive...
[22:46] <Garheade> Isn't Case Sensitivity a POSIX standard?
[22:46] <bekks> HeathHayle: Because Linux isnt VAX/VMS.
[22:46] <HeathHayle> It said shutdown: time expected
[22:46] <wylde> Sander^Lap, 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install packagename'
[22:47] <bekks> HeathHayle: Then specify: shutdown -h now
[22:47] <wylde> HeathHayle, now
[22:47] <wylde> HeathHayle, I gave you the full command earlier ;)
[22:47] <Sander^Lap> wylde, ive done that. still the package isnt there.
[22:48] <HeathHayle> Sorry did you?
[22:48] <wylde> HeathHayle, yep. I gave you 3 options, restart lightdm, reboot or shutdown(using the poweroff switch)
[22:48] <Sander^Lap> wylde, I guess I need to add some repositories for it.
[22:49] <wylde> Sander^Lap, oooo I missed where it was a usb
[22:49] <HeathHayle> Sorry missed that
[22:49] <HeathHayle> Lol
[22:50] <Sander^Lap> wylde, yes. Fresh downloaded ubuntu 13.10 on a usb stick :-)
[22:50] <HeathHayle> i dont think its working lol
[22:50] <Pyro_Killer> because it should be case sensitive, why would you not want case sensitivity?
[22:50] <HeathHayle> Yes it is lol
[22:51] <wylde> Sander^Lap, ahh. not sure. Although you should still be able to install software to a live session. I only use them typically for installs :)
[22:51] <Pyro_Killer> One of the Ubuntu devs came to Ogg camp, and i totally crashed his Ubuntu phone, and then it went in to boot loop :P
[22:52] <Sander^Lap> wylde, I just need some software to play youtube and stuff. So I can test the grafic card and sound before I install anything to this pc.
[22:52] <HeathHayle> Stupid old computer I am trying to get the usb wifi working i was working down the trubbleshooting and it just when crazy slow
[22:53] <wylde> Sander^Lap, pastebin the full output when you try to install. 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras'
[22:53] <Danny__> hi
[22:54] <Danny__> how do i rest bios in terminal
[22:54] <Pyro_Killer> please be more specific ion your requests
[22:54] <Danny__> my bios time showing dissent then ubuntu
[22:55] <Danny__> i dont have ntp installed
[22:55] <Danny__> or utc
[22:55] <Sander^Lap> wylde, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6303335/
[22:55] <Danny__> in windows shows same time in bios and in windows why linux differnt
[22:56] <HeathHayle> Is it ok to ask for help in here or just i be googling for the answer?
[22:56] <Danny__> how do i rest bios time in terminal
[22:56] <Danny__> time in bios anoying me not the same as ubuntu
[22:57] <Danny__> any one out there gonna help me
[22:57] <Danny__> i dont have ntp installed or utc
[22:57] <wylde> Danny__, you set the bios time in the bios. Reboot, enter the bios and set the time there. It's not uncommon for the bios to be set to UTC and the OS adjusts according to location.
[22:57] <Danny__> i wanna rest bios time
[22:58] <Danny__> wylde i changed bios time reverted back
[22:58] <gustavo> Hi
[22:58] <gustavo> Is this the Blowuntu channel?
[22:58] <HeathHayle> How to I install linux drivers from a cd?
[22:59] <Danny__> my time is 9 :58 am bios says 19 :58 pm
[22:59] <cgt> gustavo: Ubuntu, not Blowuntu
[22:59] <gordonjcp> HeathHayle: you don't
[22:59] <gordonjcp> HeathHayle: what is it a CD for?
[22:59] <Danny__> thats strange
[22:59] <HeathHayle> A usb wifi adaptor
[22:59] <Danny__> im in ternminal how can i fix it
[22:59] <gordonjcp> HeathHayle: plug it in and see if it works
[22:59] <gordonjcp> Danny__: hwclock
[23:00] <gordonjcp> Danny__: set your hardware clock to the correct time, then set your timezone
[23:00] <Pyro_Killer> HeathHayle: find out what chipset it uses, google it
[23:00] <gordonjcp> Danny__: hardware clock should be UTC, always
[23:00] <HeathHayle> Thats my problem it sees my hidden network but wont connect to it
[23:00] <gordonjcp> HeathHayle: "hidden network"?
[23:00] <Danny__> gordon i dont have utc
[23:00] <gordonjcp> HeathHayle: oh, you hid SSID?
[23:00] <HeathHayle> Yer
[23:01] <gordonjcp> HeathHayle: yeah, don't do that, it doesn't work
[23:01] <gordonjcp> HeathHayle: it kinda sorta works, *sometimes*, mostly by accident
[23:01] <Danny__> im using linux mint ubuntu based
[23:01] <HeathHayle> It worked on ubuntu 10.0
[23:01] <gordonjcp> HeathHayle: more by luck than design
[23:01] <gordonjcp> !mint | Danny__
[23:01] <Danny__> yeah grodon dosent have utc
[23:01] <gordonjcp> Danny__: but in general, set your hardware clock to UTC time
[23:02] <Pyro_Killer> Yeah, but it is though
[23:02] <Danny__> gordon how do i do it no utc
[23:02] <HeathHayle> Lol but it sees it it just has a red no entry sign on the wifi icon
[23:02] <gordonjcp> Danny__: what do you mean "no utc"?
[23:02] <TheLordOfTime> Danny__: you need to get help with Mint on their chat, which is the #linuxmint-help channel on irc.spotchat.org
[23:03] <Danny__> gordon when i installed no utc
[23:03] <TauNeutrino> hey guys, I have a very slow internet connection via umts, how can I get the most out of it, so that I can at least watch youtube videos in everything minimum?
[23:03] <Danny__> grodon ive been banned from mint chat
[23:03] <gordonjcp> Danny__: probably because you don't make sense
[23:03] <gordonjcp> Danny__: do you know what UTC time is?
[23:03] <Danny__> grodon i kno
[23:03] <Danny__> no grodon i dont
[23:03] <gordonjcp> sod it, I give up
[23:03] <gordonjcp> it's midnight
[23:04] <gordonjcp> Danny__: then learn to tell the time
[23:04] <Danny__> gordon my os time is 10:04 am bios differnt
[23:04] <Danny__> gordon i want same os in bios
[23:05] <Bollebib2> I'm having an issue with my display
[23:05] <Bollebib2> when I start up;half of the time the screen is very bad,and moving or closing windows results in afterimages
[23:05] <Bollebib2> so it looks like there are hundreds of windows open ,if I move one ,because they freeze in place
[23:05] <Danny__> how do i rest bios time in terminal
[23:05] <Bollebib2> I did an update a few days ago which may have resulted in this behaviour
[23:06] <Pyro_Killer> Danny__: just do it in the bios?
[23:06] <Danny__> pryo changes to differnt time when i change it in bios
[23:06] <HeathHayle> Why wont linux connect to a hidden network then?
[23:06] <Bollebib2> I can reset it with
[23:06] <Bollebib2> unity --reset,then reboot
[23:06] <Bollebib2> sudo restart lightdm   and then reboot
[23:06] <Bollebib2> they both solve my issue
[23:06] <Danny__> in windows bios is the same as windows
[23:06] <Bollebib2> but I'd like to prevent it
[23:06] <FloodBot1> Bollebib2: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:07] <Danny__> why linux bios time differnt
[23:07] <Bollebib2> so it's possibly a faulty package.
[23:07] <Danny__> ibe been stuck at bios time for two days
[23:08] <Danny__> any terminal commands for bios time
[23:08] <TauNeutrino> moep
[23:08] <Bollebib2> I'd like some help in finding that package,if possible
[23:08] <Danny__> i just want time in os same as the bios thats all
[23:09] <Danny__> i dont have ntp or utc
[23:09] <Pyro_Killer> Danny__: third post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=836480&s=1ef1fe34eeb89fca50e8d4d33e235528
[23:10] <Sander^Lap> wylde, I had to add the multiverse repositories.
[23:10] <Sander^Lap> Kinda strange why they aint added to the usb stick image
[23:11] <Danny__> prokiller that didnt help i need commands
[23:11] <Danny__> how do i rest bios time in terminal
[23:11] <Danny__> to match the os time
[23:12] <Danny__> im no nerd or geek
[23:12] <Danny__> ive got terminal opend
[23:12] <Sander^Lap> How do I a flash plugin in firefox?
[23:13] <Sander^Lap> install :)
[23:13] <Danny__> sudo apt rgk time sysn
[23:13] <Danny__> sudo apt rest time
[23:13] <Pyro_Killer> Sander^Lap: google it, though i always have issues with it, but installing cvhromium and installing it onto there is a LOT easier
[23:13] <Danny__> fuck the bios time no one help me
[23:14] <TauNeutrino> hello
[23:14] <TauNeutrino> argh damn it
[23:14] <Danny__> dammm it
[23:14] <TauNeutrino> enough of this crap
[23:14] <Danny__> ive been tuck bios time for two days
[23:14] <wylde> Sander^Lap, ahh alrighty. Apologies. Had an unannounced visitor show up. :/
[23:15] <Danny__> i just want restore bios time to the os in linux in terminal
[23:15] <Pyro_Killer> Danny__: http://linux.gids.nl/time.html
[23:15] <Sander^Lap> wylde, all ok.
[23:15] <Sander^Lap> wylde, I cant install eather mplayer or flash plugin to play video.
[23:16] <Sander^Lap> it says: Package mplayer is not available, nut is referred to by another package.
[23:16] <Sander^Lap> but*
[23:16] <Sander^Lap> Wondring which repository mplayer is in.
[23:17] <coms> Hey, having some problems booting ubuntu after some software updates, wanted to see if someone could help me out
[23:17] <Sander^Lap> Ah. Found out. Needed both multiverse and universe. :-)
[23:17] <wylde> Sander^Lap, universe
[23:17] <wylde> oops too late ;)
[23:18] <Lyut> Does anyone here host a virtualisation from Ubuntu?
[23:18] <Lyut> I am looking to do so :D
[23:18] <Lyut> of w7
[23:18] <coms> The boot process hangs on the purple screen right after the grub dualboot menu, already tried reinstalling my kernel but that didn't help, any ideas?
[23:18] <cretsiah> Im using ubuntu 12 wondering how I can make my fonts look right on a 66cm (26 inch) screen
[23:18] <Danny__> prokiller disnt work
[23:18] <wilee-nilee> coms, what release?
[23:18] <coms> hangs right on loading initial ramdisk
[23:19] <coms> 13.04
[23:19] <Pyro_Killer> coms: give it 15 minutes
[23:19] <wilee-nilee> coms, Does an earlier kernel boot?
[23:19] <coms> yeh 3.8.0-19 boots, but it terminal mode only
[23:20] <wilee-nilee> coms, is 3.8.0-19 a kernal from the repos?
[23:20] <wilee-nilee> ubuntu repos*
[23:20] <coms> yeh
[23:21] <Bosi> Hello everyone, my computer is an ASUS Eee PC, with 2GB of RAM,  and processor ATOM N450 1.6 GHz.  It says here that it is 64bit capable... Do you guys think I should install the 32 or 64 bit version of Ubuntu in it?
[23:21] <wilee-nilee> coms, Is this associated with a graphics driver perchance the terminal boot?
[23:21] <Pyro_Killer> Bosi 12.04.3 64 bit
[23:21] <Dr_Willis> Bosi:  im running 64bit xubuntu on my EEEpc 1001xpd right now
[23:22] <coms> doubt it, purged my ATI driver and reinstalled xorg
[23:22] <Dr_Willis> oops its a 1001PXD  ;)
[23:22] <coms> but perhaps
[23:22] <Dr_Willis> Bosi:  using 13.10 xubuntu and lubuntu on mind. The unity/ubuntu/gnome-shell desktop was a bit much for it
[23:22] <Pyro_Killer> I had an amusing thought yesterday, in terms of ubuntu 08.04 is an ancient operating system, but some people still run windows XP from 2001
[23:23] <wilee-nilee> coms, It seems you have a set of problems not associated the latest kernel and graphic issues, I suspect the graphic stuff is the first that need fixing, the kernel just needs a purge probably.
[23:23] <wilee-nilee> or a fix on the kernel, but probably wont work without the graphics being correct. coms
[23:24] <Bosi> Dr_Willis, I actually have Xubuntu 32 bit that I installed long time ago, but this thought just ocurred to me. What will be the main difference if I change to 64 bit?
[23:24] <coms> wilee-nilee, what would be how would you go about diagnosing the problem?
[23:25] <Pyro_Killer> Bosi: It can utelize the processor to its full capacity, instead of runing everything on a single core
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> Bosi:  you might not notice any differance. in theory video rencoiding or other math intensive stuff may be quicker. I basically ONLY use 64bit and only have the 64bit iso's/flash drives - because all my pcs are 64bit
[23:25] <wilee-nilee> coms, I'm not up on graphics, but If it were me I would get that fixed first, it seems you have tried to fix this or at least ran updates without it being addressed.
[23:25] <coms> k thanks
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> Bosi:  i dont see much reason these days to not use 64bit - if your cpu can handle 64bit
[23:25] <wilee-nilee> coms, I would reload the clone I have of my working system, but not everyone clone their setups.
[23:27] <coms> only cloned my data files, not my setup :(
[23:27] <Bosi> Dr_Willis, yeah, when I installed I knew less than I know today, so it didn't ocur to me installing 64bit. While running Xubuntu 32bit I feel my CPU a little too loaded... this might be the solution I was looking for.
[23:27] <Danny_> hi
[23:27] <wilee-nilee> I had my 14.04 go south on me by running a partial upgrade just today, I popped in my usb with clonezilla reloaded the working image and am back in business, no running a reinstall and setups, took about 5-10 min..
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> lubuntu would be lighter then xfce also Bosi
[23:28] <Danny_> how do i rest bios time in terminal
[23:28] <Dr_Willis> rest = 'reset' ?
[23:28] <Danny_> i dont have ntp or utc
[23:28] <Bosi> Dr_Willis, do you think the next release of Lubuntu will be a LTS? I might try Lubuntu
[23:29] <Danny_> dr willias keep the os time same as bios
[23:29] <Dr_Willis> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/hwclock.8.html
[23:29] <Danny_> my time is 10 :29 am bios time says 24:00
[23:29] <Dr_Willis> i think we had this discussion the other day. the bios clock will normally NOT be the same as the os time,. due to the os knowing about timezones and DST
[23:30] <Dr_Willis> Bosi:  lts means very little to me really.
[23:30] <Dr_Willis> im not even sure on the lts-ness-state of lubuntu now. ;)
[23:30] <Danny_> ok dr williws
[23:31] <Danny_> dr williws so  bios time will be not same in os
[23:31] <Dr_Willis> hwclock can read/set/reset the bios time
[23:31] <Bosi> Dr_Willis, I heard they'd try to make the 14.04 a LTS release, but that's what I heard... anyway... I might try that.
[23:32] <Danny_> dr williws is it sudo hwclock can read/set/reset the bios time
[23:32] <Dr_Willis> Danny_:  if you lived in england on the UTC timezone.. it could ;) except when they change to DST. (if they do)
[23:32] <Sander^Lap> Pyro_Killer, looks like I just needed to install the "flashplugin-installer" package.
[23:32] <Dr_Willis> Bosi:  i always stick to the latest release
[23:32] <Dr_Willis> Danny_:  man hwclock        id have to read the man pages to tell you the syntax
[23:33] <Danny_> dr wilwas trminal comands rest bios time
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> Danny_:  the terminal command can read, or set the bios time
[23:34] <Bosi> Dr_Willis, well, I was happy with the 13.04 of Xubuntu, but when I upgraded a lot of problems appeared. I really regret of upgrading. With a LTS release I'd not have that problem.
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> it also mentions if you can set the clock to the local time. but then you need to make sure you set your Timezone correctly
[23:34] <Danny_> what command
[23:35] <Dr_Willis> Danny_:  have you looked at 'man hwclock' yet?
[23:35] <wylde> Danny_, read the manual. http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/raring/man8/hwclock.8.html . Also, mint isn't supported here. #linuxmint-help channel on irc.spotchat.org
[23:36] <Danny_> wydle to hard man
[23:37] <Danny_> i just need sudo commands so i can copy and paste
[23:37] <Dr_Willis> then give up i guess.. the man page even gives examples of setting the time/date
[23:37] <Danny_> i just need rest bios time in terminal with correct os time
[23:37] <Danny_> i need trun of utc
[23:38] <Danny_> i dont have ntp installed
[23:38] <wylde> Danny_, come back on a supported distribution perhaps? </donefeedingtrolls>
[23:38] <Dr_Willis> you use the --set --date option. like the man page example shows.
[23:38] <Danny_> i have ubuntu
[23:38] <Pyro_Killer> Sander^Lap: In my experince it doesn't always work
[23:39] <Danny_> cock
[23:39] <Danny_> cock
[23:39] <Danny_> cock
[23:39] <FloodBot1> Danny_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:39]  * wilee-nilee thinks this chanell should be called #ubuntu-enablers
[23:39] <apb> Across the bottom of my screen is a menu strip that shows each running program... I don't know what it's called... a panel?  Anyway, mousing over each item causes a menu to "drop up".  Those "dropups" are translucent.  How can I make them opaque?
[23:40] <nurow> Hello, I'm trying to edit a PDF that has some spanish text in it using LibreOffice Draw. The text looks fine in my PDF reader before editing it, but after I edit it in Draw, the Spanish language words are huge and span beyond their normal boundaries, overlapping with other words. Anyone know how to fix this? I'm guessing it has to do with selecting the right character encoding, but I'm not sure how to do that?
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> apb:  panel and task list..   what desktop are you using?
[23:41] <apb> kubuntu? kde?  Are they the same or different?
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> kubuntu uses kde.
[23:41] <Pyro_Killer> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde installed
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> kde has dozens of theme settings.
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> so you  may need to explore them.  I dont use kde enought ot know where theymay be at
[23:41] <apb> Pyro_Killer: Thanks, that's what I was kind of thinking but wasn't sure.
[23:42] <Pyro_Killer> abp: np, install all of the desktops
[23:42] <apb> I don't think I changed the theme... although it's possible I changed it to windoze if I made any changes at all.
[23:42] <ubnoobtu> Hey, why isnt flash saying its available on firefox, on ubuntu 12.04
[23:42] <apb> Pyro_Killer: heh, pass on that option.  Too confusing.
[23:43] <Dr_Willis> perhaps you need to install the flash installer package ubnoobtu
[23:43] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, still here? had company come by, then had to run a couple errands that couldn't wait any longer... back at it now. I changed grub/menu.1st to load /dev/sdb1 instead of /dev/md0 and got the same results on boot.. Also tried setting it to /dev/sda1 just in case, same results
[23:43] <Pyro_Killer> abp: you can usually choose from the login screen, cinnamon is quite a new and exciting one
[23:43] <wilee-nilee> nurow, I have tried some of the pdf-editors offered in the repos, I found none to really work all that well, in varied circumstances, I think it it depends on the code in the original at times, kinda a tough problem.
[23:43] <ubnoobtu> also, how can i get my video card to be recongized by ubuntu?
[23:44] <Dr_Willis> ubnoobtu:  install the proper driver for it - is the normal way. Using the addational-drivers tool/tab/
[23:44] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, Start with identifying it to the channel with some details.
[23:44] <ubnoobtu> Its a Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT
[23:44] <l337ingDisorder> CIDR, by "same results" i mean it says error: you need to load the kernel first.
[23:45] <rainabba> I've downloaded, re-downloaded, confirmed MD5, tried multiple devices (usb flash, sdcard reader, even usb to SATA drive) and no matter when when I try to boot ubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64 on an older Dell desktop (P4, 64-bit, EMT, VT extensions so not horribly old) with nVideo card, past BIOS I get a very brief message about starting Kernel then things go black. I never see the Ubuntu splash.
[23:45] <rainabba> Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot, what this might be, etc..?
[23:45] <ivanUltraSuperSu> Hi everybody!
[23:45] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, Take a look at Dr_Willis's post as well.
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> ubuntulog:  so install the nvidia drivers for it. I tend to just install  the nvidia-current package for most of mynvidia cards
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> oops wrong nick ;)
[23:45] <nurow> wilee-nilee :( I guess I should just use my Windows 7 VM :(
[23:45]  * Dr_Willis enlarges his fonts
[23:46] <ubnoobtu> dr_Willis, i've installed it through the tab, but when I go to check it in the details tab it shows unknown, and its running slower than it did before
[23:46] <wilee-nilee> nurow, adobe is probably the easiest, if you can afford that plugin, I assume it is a paid option.
[23:46] <Dr_Willis> ubnoobtu:  you did reboot after installing the drivers?
[23:46] <ivanUltraSuperSu> Can someboy to response some question?
[23:46] <ubnoobtu> Yea
[23:46] <wilee-nilee> ivanUltraSuperSu, Tell us your problems with details.
[23:46] <ubnoobtu> I think its causing issues with flash and other things
[23:46] <ivanUltraSuperSu> somebody*
[23:47] <Dr_Willis> !ask
[23:47] <Chardot> Hey. I'm following this guide: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx and I'm waiting in #8 to complete, but it's taking long. Should I expect it to be long?
[23:48] <Pyro_Killer> depends on the quality of you usb stick
[23:48] <ivanUltraSuperSu> How I can create a vpn network  from ubuntu with UltraVNC?
[23:48]  * Dr_Willis wonders what #8 is ;) his phone internet is too slow to look at web sites
[23:49] <Dr_Willis> ivanUltraSuperSu:  VPN and VNC are 2 differnt things..
[23:49] <Pyro_Killer> i would google it, setting up cpn is quite a task
[23:49] <Chardot> «long» means I've been waiting for 20 mins for the command to complete, with no other feedback in the Terminal than a blinking prompt.
[23:49] <Pyro_Killer> *vpn
[23:49] <Dr_Willis> !vpn
[23:49] <ivanUltraSuperSu> o.k sorry
[23:49] <swordsmanz> lol i have been installingg apps non stop for hours and have only used 10 gigs :S
[23:49] <ivanUltraSuperSu> I want to create a vpn with ubuntu
[23:49] <ivanUltraSuperSu> but I a new user
[23:50] <Dr_Willis> once you get a vpn setup. i belive you can then vnc to the machines as if they were on the same local network. thats how vpn's work i thought..
[23:50] <Dr_Willis> but ive rarely used them ;)
[23:50] <Pyro_Killer> ivanUltraSuperSu: I'll see if i find a good guide
[23:50] <Chardot> Wow, it finished!
[23:50] <Chardot> Anyway, thank you Pyro_Killer :)
[23:50] <Dr_Willis> Chardot:  it was waiting for you to ask in here... ;)
[23:50] <ivanUltraSuperSu> Any exemple?
[23:50] <rainabba> I've downloaded, re-downloaded, confirmed MD5, tried multiple devices (usb flash, sdcard reader, even usb to SATA drive) and no matter when when I try to boot ubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64 on an older Dell desktop (P4, 64-bit, EMT, VT extensions so not horribly old) with nVideo card, past BIOS I get a very brief message about starting Kernel then things go black. I never see the Ubuntu splash.
[23:50] <rainabba> Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot, what this might be, etc..? Help?
[23:51] <Chardot> Dr_Willis: hhaha
[23:51] <Chardot> ok, rebooting...
[23:51] <vlt> Hello. If I want to playback a h264 video (which already works with mplayer) with totem ... what do I need to install?
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset | rainabba
[23:51] <Dr_Willis> rainabba:  try  the minimal installer?  one that uses text mode perhaps. could be the refresh rates are getting set wrong
[23:51]  * l337ingDisorder pokes CIDR in hopes that he's not too far AFK
[23:51] <Pyro_Killer> rainabba: don't excpect the latest ubuntu to work straight off the bat, such is its nature, use 12.04 instead
[23:52] <Dr_Willis> rainabba:  try some other disrtos also - see if any of them work properly
[23:52] <rainabba> wilee-nilee: Right... but don't I need the menu screen first?
[23:52] <wilee-nilee> rainabba, on a live boot the try screen or a install from the grub menu.
[23:52] <Dr_Willis> the fact you dont see anything points to a possible refresh rate issue. you Can edit the boot files on a live-usb flash setup and make it use nomodeset by default. but i forget what files need changed
[23:52] <Pyro_Killer> 12.04 will run on a toaster with an RFID tag, it is amazing
[23:53] <keep> oi
[23:53] <rainabba> Wow. So linux (Ubuntu of all distros) is still a PITA to install/use huh?
[23:54] <l337ingDisorder> PITA?
[23:54] <Dr_Willis> rainabba:  i have very few issues
[23:54] <rainabba> "very few"
[23:54] <rainabba> Thanks
[23:54] <Pyro_Killer> Pain the posterior
[23:54] <vlt> !totem
[23:54] <wilee-nilee> rainabba, Your blaming the distro for your not knowing how to do it.
[23:54] <Dr_Willis> rainabba:   my monitors would say ' mode/rate not valid' in your case i imagine
[23:54] <Dr_Willis> oh well. no loss i guess
[23:54] <Pyro_Killer> 13.10 still needs work , 12.04 my dog could install
[23:55] <Dr_Willis> thats sort of the point of LTS vs non-lts releases. :) a  work-in-progress vs a work-horse ;)
[23:56] <Pyro_Killer> exactly, but in laymans terms, if you want it to work out of the box no hazzles, you choose 12.04, if you wanna muck around and know how to mend stuff that brakes 13.10 is you distro
[23:56] <Sander^Lap> I have a radeon hd 6400 series card.. And wondring how I can enable hdmi sound in ubuntu 13.10.
[23:56] <Pyro_Killer> it's the way it has always been
[23:57] <Pyro_Killer> on the sound icon choose HDMI as your sound output
[23:57] <vlt> vlt !codecs
[23:58] <wilee-nilee> Pyro_Killer, an answer based on dichotomies, but that is the way many reason.
[23:58] <Sander^Lap> Pyro_Killer, Im only able to choose "analog stereo output"
[23:59] <churchill2> Is there an os program like google desktop search?
[23:59] <Dr_Willis> hmm there used to be google desktop for linux. but ive not seen it mentioned in ages.. did they kill the project?