[17:00] <Norux> explosive, you mean between the last boot and the first failed boot?
[17:00] <squinty> !wireless | clinggg
[17:00] <explosive> did you install the ppa before it failed or after?
[17:01] <Norux> not afterwards, but well I added the new graphics driver PPA ~10 days ago
[17:01] <explosive> Norux: ok, try to remove it
[17:01] <explosive> install ppa-purge
[17:01] <Norux> okay
[17:02] <Norux> explosive, do i run sudo apt-get ppa-purge or just sudo ppa-purge
[17:02] <explosive> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[17:03] <JohnC> olllllllllllllllllllk;llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[17:03] <effectnet> mil
[17:03] <Norux> explosive, yeah i know haha but to actually remove the ppa
[17:04] <explosive> Norux: how did you install it? which ppa:..../.... ?
[17:04] <Norux> with sudo add-apt-repository ppa:paulo-miguel-dias/mesa
[17:04] <rafaelg> Q
[17:04] <explosive> Norux: ok, run sudo ppa-purge ppa:paulo..../...
[17:05] <rafaelg> stop
[17:05] <catopett> Is it a good helicopter simulator for ubuntu?
[17:05] <Norux> explosive, okay done ;)
[17:05] <explosive> Norux: ok, give it a shot
[17:06] <Norux> explosive, are you sure haha
[17:08] <Snackerr> battleaxe,  BTRFS is even worse than ZFS:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O64JRTcx3c
[17:08] <Snackerr> battleaxe, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfpNGJt40Lc
[17:08] <Norux> explosive, quick question, do i have to set GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET to false if i set GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT ?
[17:08] <jamesd> Snackerr: btrfs is more secure than ZFS,   there are times when you write you data to your storage, and it refuses to let even root or the owner see the data ever again.
[17:08] <Snackerr> battleaxe, but yes, i am in the same boat as u, it seems cool as hell, the "SELF-HEALING" zfs
[17:09] <zolomon> SchrodingersScat: Thanks. Would it be difficult to write a tool that would stream the system audio? I have no experience on the linux side how the audio architecture works. If I can get access to it via C/C++ at least, then I am confident that I could write a client/server solution that would work for my own case at least.
[17:09] <lordcirth> ZFS is great.  I have never had a problem with it.
[17:09] <Snackerr> jamesd, another "Gotcha" with BTRFS, and (probly ZFS) is if you do a "dirty shutdown"  that it screws up your files.  if you dont shutdown properly
[17:09] <lordcirth> An experienced sysadmin I work with refuses to put production data on anything but ZFS.
[17:10] <Snackerr> jamesd, oh, that was a joke, i just got it  LOL
[17:10] <jamesd> Snackerr: ZFS  can possibly lose the last 5 seconds of your data in the case of unclean shutdown.
[17:10] <lordcirth> Snackerr, ZFS does that in much rarer circumstances than btrfs.
[17:10] <explosive> Norux: not sure, grub does give warnings about those kind of stuff
[17:10] <jamesd> if you value your data, put your fileserver on a UPS
[17:10] <Snackerr> lordcirth,  is there a GUI guide for ZFS?
[17:11] <Norux> explosive, just because my grub timeout is like 0.01 seconds haha
[17:11] <lordcirth> Snackerr, not that I've ever seen.  zfs's command line interface is trivial for basic operations and needs no GUI.
[17:11] <jamesd> lordcirth: there are gui's and web interfaces for ZFS, but except for nfs v4 ACL's, i  find them pointless
[17:11] <Snackerr> lordcirth, this is needlessly complicated, i like my GUI's  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/encryptedZfs
[17:11] <explosive> Norux: you want grub to show?
[17:12] <Norux> no i just want the timeout to be a bit longeer
[17:12] <Snackerr> lordcirth, you call this trivial?  lol  ^
[17:12] <lordcirth> Snackerr, that's encrypted ZFS root, that's way more complex than a normal install
[17:12] <lordcirth> " trivial for basic operations"
[17:12] <Snackerr> lordcirth, for EXT4 is is ONE checkbox  LOL,  that is "trivial"!!
[17:12] <blu3_light> hello
[17:13] <Norux> explosive, i've set it to 5 now, should be fine. I'll restart now.
[17:13] <lordcirth> Snackerr, yes, it also loses data trivially when that drive dies :)
[17:13] <Norux> explosive, brb
[17:13] <Snackerr> lordcirth,  i want ONE checkbox for ZFS, when does that come out?
[17:13] <lordcirth> sudo zpool create storage raidz sda sdb
[17:13] <lordcirth> sudo zpool create storage raidz sda sdb sdc *
[17:13] <blu3_light> hello everyone. I'm new to irc.
[17:13] <danang> hmm
[17:13] <lordcirth> blu3_light, hi
[17:13] <lordcirth> Snackerr, well, FreeNAS has a nice GUI for ZFS.
[17:13] <Snackerr> lordcirth, i also read that LUKS encryption messes up ZFS's magic abilities  :(
[17:14] <Snackerr> lordcirth,  https://pthree.org/2012/08/21/encrypted-zfs-filesystems-on-linuxzfs
[17:14] <blu3_light> do you know the python channel? :)
[17:14] <lordcirth> Snackerr, that method works too
[17:15] <blu3_light> hi lordcirth thanks for welcoming me to the group.
[17:15] <Snackerr> lordcirth,  i dont have RAID, just one  Backup-HDD that i manually Sync once a week. so i'm thinkin about ZFS for that, but it will Definitley be over 90% full (so fragmented to the point of no return, if i use ZFS???)
[17:15] <Norux> explosive, that worked!
[17:15] <lordcirth> However, ZFS was not originally designed for situations where block-level data-at-rest encryption was needed
[17:15] <Snackerr> EXT4 is fine with 90% full, and has Defrag tools also
[17:15] <Norux> explosive, is there any other driver I could possibly use that is updated for 16.04?
[17:15] <explosive> Norux: great
[17:16] <lordcirth> Snackerr, why would you use ZFS for a single drive?  Snapshots?
[17:16] <lordcirth> !alis | blu3_light
[17:16] <Snackerr> lordcirth,  to prevent bit-rot, etc? any other reason?
[17:16] <exSnake> what's the difference between doing find . -size +1024k -fprint file.txt
[17:16] <exSnake> and find . -fprint file.txt -size +1024k
[17:16] <explosive> Norux: i think amd has a pro version of the amdgpu driver, not so sure about how well it works though
[17:16] <Snackerr> brb
[17:16] <lordcirth> Snackerr, ZFS on one disk will detect bitrot, not fix it, unless you use copies=2
[17:17] <lordcirth> It can, however, tell you what file is damaged so you can fix it
[17:17] <Norux> explosive, hmm. I might just stick with this one (is that the one provided by Canonical?)
[17:18] <explosive> Norux: the one you're using right now?
[17:18] <Norux> explosive, yes
[17:18] <jamesd> if you want ecryption for ZFS out of the box, you need to use Solaris 11...
[17:19] <explosive> Norux: it should be the one by canonical
[17:19] <explosive> unless you manually installed something else or a ppa did
[17:20] <explosive> i think it's this package xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
[17:20] <Norux> explosive, okay i thought so. Yeah, that's already installed. offtopic question: do you use xchat?
[17:21] <coventry> What is the actual command-line command which kicks off the ubuntu desktop (want it for a docker image.)
[17:21] <xangua> coventry: you mean install?
[17:21] <explosive> Norux: yeah
[17:21] <navdeep> hello world
[17:21] <Norux> explosive, is there an option to auto disable the join-/leave-messages?
[17:22] <coventry> xangua: No, I mean the command the login manager runs to kick off your desktop environment when you successfully log in.
[17:22] <explosive> Norux: you mean xchat or gnome-crap?
[17:22] <explosive> Norux: xchat isn't in 16.04 by default
[17:22] <lordcirth> Norux, it will be in your IRC client's settings
[17:22] <zykotick9> !quietirssi | Norux
[17:22] <kevdog> @Norux -- it's in the settings of xchat
[17:23]  * zykotick9 suggests NOT using xchat and instead using the supported hexchat in it's place
[17:23] <lordcirth> Hexchat is nice.  I'm using it
[17:23] <explosive> it's ugly imho
[17:23] <danang> i use hexchat
[17:23] <kevdog> I'm currently using hexchat -- but that's because I'm on a Mac right now.  What happened to xchat? Did it fork?
[17:24] <CG> #openstack-dev
[17:24] <Norux> kevdog, it's not :(
[17:24] <lordcirth> Hexchat is not particularly exciting, I admit, but it works fine.
[17:24] <kevdog> What's better?
[17:24] <explosive> the fonts suck imho
[17:24] <lordcirth> explosive, well you can change fonts
[17:24] <zykotick9> kevdog: fyi, xchat is a dead/unsupported project...
[17:24] <lordcirth> irssi or weechat are nice - once you get decent configs
[17:24] <explosive> lordcirth: i tried making it a clone of xchat, downloaded a bunch of stuff, still sucked
[17:25] <\9> kevdog: xchat died, hexchat is a continuation
[17:25] <explosive> to each his own though, i'm using the 15.10 version of xchat
[17:25] <kevdog> @zykotick9 -- I didn't know that -- Not a fan of irssi
[17:27] <lordcirth> I just tried setting my hexchat font to Terminus - 9 is too small and 10 is too big :(
[17:28] <explosive> also i couldn't get the left side and chat side and input side background to be different
[17:29] <explosive> like in xchat it's white on the left, light gray in the channel, and white at the bottom etc. in hexchat it's just one color for all
[17:32] <Norux> who recommended hexchat to me?
[17:32] <explosive> everyone
[17:32] <Norux> hahaha okay. how do i set the automatic authorization here :D
[17:32] <explosive> you like?
[17:33] <Norux> yes ;)
[17:33] <lordcirth> Norux, Ctrl-S for network list
[17:33] <lordcirth> Set auth per netowkr
[17:33] <lordcirth> network*
[17:35] <Norux> can i set them globally lordcirth?
[17:35] <Norux> oh. nvm
[17:35] <lordcirth> Norux, why would you want to autosend your password to all IRC servers?
[17:37] <cyborg_ninja> hello everyone
[17:38] <cyborg_ninja> hello
[17:38] <ioria> explosive, we are only two in here using xchat .... i found a ppa for 16.04
[17:38] <explosive> ioria: ;)
[17:39] <cyborg_ninja> im using irssi
[17:39] <Norux> one last question, will hexchat show up in my notification tab? like where thunderbird is for example?
[17:39] <cyborg_ninja> what is better irc client... I'm new here in IRC soo happy
[17:39] <ioria> explosive, ppa:webupd8team/y-ppa-manager  ; install y-ppa-manager , search for xchat and install it
[17:39] <cyborg_ninja> have you also used empathy?
[17:41] <xangua> cyborg_ninja: empathy sucks for irc, period
[17:42] <Norux> explosive: Thanks a lot again. This is the 4th time you helped me repair my computer even though you don't know it hahaha
[17:43] <explosive> Norux: no problem :)
[17:44] <lordcirth> cyborg_ninja, irssi is nice if you like it.  If you want a GUI IRC client, Hexchat is nice.
[17:46] <cyborg_ninja> lordcirth, i'll try sometime in the future.
[17:47] <cyborg_ninja> how long does the NickServe sends a verification on the email?
[17:48] <lordcirth> cyborg_ninja, shouldn't take more than 10 minutes.  Check your spam folder too
[17:48] <cyborg_ninja> lordcirth, thanks.. what other channels do you visit?
[17:50] <lordcirth> cyborg_ninja, on Freenode, #ubuntu , sometimes #archlinux , and whatever tool I am working with at the moment
[17:51] <cyborg_ninja> lordcirth, thanks.. you do sysadmin job?
[17:52] <lordcirth> cyborg_ninja, I am interning as a junior sysadmin, basically
[17:53] <cyborg_ninja> lordcirth, nice.. I'm an IT auditor, if your familiar with it... I have a bit of a problem.
[17:54] <htns> hi, what is the difference between "Xubuntu minimal installation" and "Xubuntu desktop"
[17:54] <htns> well, desktop is self-explanatory, but is "minimal installation" a superset of desktop?
[17:54] <htns> or is it something completely different?
[17:55] <lordcirth> htns, a subset
[17:55] <lordcirth> htns, is this on the download page?
[17:55] <xangua> htns: you're talking about xubuntu core?
[17:55] <OerHeks> just a set of minimal core apps, not that much smaller than normal xubuntu
[17:55] <htns> im installing ubuntu mini iso
[17:55] <htns> and it's asking me choose sw to install
[17:55] <lordcirth> htns, oh, in the installer?
[17:56] <lordcirth> Just install Xubuntu desktop
[17:56] <htns> lordcirth, yes, so far i have standard system utilities and openssh server selected
[17:57] <lordcirth> htns, oh that list, ok.
[17:57] <htns> so what exactly is "Xubuntu minimal installation?" i google'd but cant find the difference b/w "xubuntu desktop"
[17:57] <catopett> how do i start / run flightgear? sudo flightgear does not work, help
[17:57] <xangua> !mini | htns
[17:58] <OerHeks> running flightgear as root is a bad idea
[17:58] <lordcirth> xangua, I think he's at the installer menu in the normal CD?
[17:58] <OerHeks> just use the laucher in your menu
[17:59] <OerHeks> indeed xangua xubuntu-minimal is xubuntu-core http://xubuntu.org/news/introducing-xubuntu-core/
[17:59] <catopett> How do i run it then? I do not find it in menu
[18:01] <lordcirth> catopett, "locate flightgear" to search for it
[18:02] <OerHeks> if you disabled indexing programs and documents, flightgear starter shall be found next login
[18:02] <OerHeks> logical
[18:02] <catopett> Found it on desktop, ok i give it a try
[18:02] <Utils> Hi. I had ubuntu installed, and I have no idea what I did but I must of removed the partition through windows (it was a long time ago I must of did this). I'm getting grub no such partition. Upon doing the ls command I have (hd0)(hd0,msdos5)(hd0,msdos2)(hd0,msdos1) I tried ls on them but it returned unknown filesystem on all.
[18:03] <Utils> I want to keep the windows install but I guess at this stage I want ubuntu removed but of course I can't boot. Any ideas how to fix this?
[18:03] <cyborg_ninja> hello guys. what is the status of 16.10 lts?
[18:03] <xangua> cyborg_ninja: 16.10 won't be LTS
[18:04] <lordcirth> 16.04 is LTS
[18:04] <cyborg_ninja> xangua: haha, sorry. what was the lts version again.
[18:04] <lordcirth> It's a bit of a strange system
[18:05] <_Kevin_> Is there a way to update my samsung 850 evo firmware on ubuntu 16.04?
[18:06] <lordcirth> _Kevin_, iirc samsung provides a bootable iso for that
[18:06] <_Kevin_> that's only for the 840 evo and below
[18:06] <_Kevin_> http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/download/consumer.html
[18:07] <lordcirth> ah
[18:07] <_Kevin_> I was reading on the archwiki that there is a samsung magician in the aur "Another option is to use Samsung's samsung_magicianAUR, which is available in the AUR."
[18:08] <_Kevin_> and it doesn't work with wine or playonlinux (basically the same thing)
[18:08] <_Kevin_> the .exe from the samsung website
[18:08] <cyborg_ninja> guys i'll gonna go. i'll be back in the future.
[18:08] <OerHeks> _Kevin_, there is an linux version of it http://askubuntu.com/questions/537471/samsung-magician-on-ubuntu-14-04
[18:09] <Mikerhinos> Not sure if I set something wrong in keyboard layout, but I can't do special chars like caps "ç" (normally alt+0199)
[18:11] <lordcirth> Mikerhinos, Linux doesn't work that way
[18:11] <lordcirth> Mikerhinos, there is the compose key
[18:11] <_Kevin_> The thing where it says where to download the firmware and whatnot, the link has changed and I can no longer access it
[18:11] <lordcirth> Mikerhinos, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey
[18:13] <OerHeks> kevin, open terminal : wget http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/downloads/software/samsung_magician_dc-v1.0_rtm_p2.tar.gz
[18:13] <OerHeks> and hopla
[18:15] <Mikerhinos> lordcirth, Ok I'm in the layout options menu, is there any choice that will give the "alt" key the same combinations as in Windows to do special chars ?
[18:18] <lordcirth> Mikerhinos, no, the compose key uses human-readable combos, for example Compose-e' gives you an e with an accent, u" gives umlaut, etc
[18:20] <_Kevin_> can anyone tell me what i'm doing wrong? https://paste.ubuntu.com/17000404/
[18:20] <Mikerhinos> lordcirth, Ok so it will be complicated for me lol, I'm french and we have the "ç" letter, and I don't find how to do a capital version of it :/ I Guess I'll just copy paste from web lol
[18:20] <ioria> Mikerhinos, try  ctrl+shift+u  and type 00e7    and  enter
[18:21] <k1l_> _Kevin_: are your sure its a .tar.gz?
[18:21] <_Kevin_> that's the file extension
[18:22] <ioria> Mikerhinos, capital ?   ctrl+shift+u  and type 00c7
[18:22] <_Kevin_> Tar archive (gzip-compressed) (application/x-compressed-tar)
[18:22] <Mikerhinos> ioria, Where did you got these magic numbers ? lol, because it works : Ç
[18:22] <lordcirth> _Kevin_, are you sure it finished downloading correctly?
[18:23] <ioria> Mikerhinos, it's the Unicode http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/00e7/index.htm
[18:24] <_Kevin_> lordcirth: yes https://paste.ubuntu.com/17000592/
[18:24] <lordcirth> _Kevin_, ok, well try "gunzip"
[18:24] <bmcgahan> anyone have experience with iptables, ufw, and nat?
[18:24] <bmcgahan> I have an order of operations problem I can't figure out
[18:24] <Mikerhinos> ioria, Thanks, added http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/a.htm to my bookmarks :)
[18:25] <_Kevin_> says it's not in gzip format
[18:25] <ioria> Mikerhinos, bon
[18:25] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, I have some experience with iptables.  My experience with ufw is "don't use it"
[18:25] <anderson> bmcgahan, order of operations? Like math?
[18:25] <anderson> ok sorry.
[18:25] <bmcgahan> I have two lines as follows
[18:25] <bmcgahan> sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i bond0 -p tcp --dport 11001 -j DNAT --to-destination <IP_ADDRESS>:7023
[18:25] <bmcgahan> sudo ufw insert 1 allow from <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[18:25] <anderson> my bad.
[18:25] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, you can pastebin your "iptables -L"
[18:26] <lordcirth> " iptables -L | pastebinit "
[18:26] <Mikerhinos> ioria, Hey you're from Texas, do you know how's the weather in Austin ? Because in a few hours there's the FMX Best Trick in the X-Games and I hope to see it tomorrow lol (8:30PM here in France)
[18:26] <_Kevin_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17000728/
[18:27] <_Kevin_> didn't know about pastebinit, pretty useful imo
[18:27] <bmcgahan> http://pastebin.com/2Z3zr4J9
[18:28] <bmcgahan> so what I'm trying to do is poke a hole in the firewall, so that when someone telnets to the server at port 11001 it translates to an inside host at port 7023
[18:28] <bmcgahan> that part is working fine
[18:28] <bmcgahan> but it's open to all sources
[18:28] <OerHeks> kevin123, enough info to find howto unpack .. https://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=46645.0
[18:28] <bmcgahan> I only want it to translate if the traffic is coming from <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[18:28] <OerHeks> tar xvfz ..
[18:28] <bmcgahan> but apparently the nat rule also opens the firewall hole
[18:29] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, <IP_ADDRESS>/16 is your internal network?
[18:29] <bmcgahan> yeah
[18:29] <bmcgahan> bond0 is the outside interface
[18:30] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, and you want to port forward?  And block all but a certain internet IP from using the port forward?
[18:31] <_Kevin_> OerHeks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/17000944/
[18:31] <bmcgahan> yeah exactly
[18:31] <bmcgahan> line 231 is blocking those ports "-A ufw-user-input -i bond0 -p tcp -m multiport --dports 11001:11030 -j DROP"
[18:31] <k1l_> _Kevin_: are you sure that is that file?
[18:31] <ioria> Mikerhinos, i'm not from Texas, sorry
[18:31] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, but it is running after the NAT lines
[18:31] <k1l_> _Kevin_: and not a corrupted website shipping some random code instead of that file?
[18:31] <bmcgahan> but lines 33-92 are being processed first
[18:31] <bmcgahan> yeah that's the problem
[18:31] <bmcgahan> I don't know how to get it to run before the nat
[18:32] <Mikerhinos> ioria, Yes you're from Italy lol sorry I looked at the freenode server...Anyway thanks for the infos ! :)
[18:32] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, and you want to do this with ufw?
[18:33] <bmcgahan> or iptables
[18:33] <ioria> Mikerhinos, no problem ^_°
[18:33] <bmcgahan> ufw is already there I can't remove it completely
[18:33] <bmcgahan> it's a cloud app that automatically adds these UFW rules during deployment
[18:34] <bmcgahan> and I'm trying to add these exceptions afterwards
[18:34] <lordcirth> ah tricky
[18:35] <_Kevin_> k1l_: https://i.imgur.com/Uc6TIBF.png
[18:35] <bmcgahan> what about in the nat statement itself "-A PREROUTING -i bond0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 11001 -j DNAT --to-destination <IP_ADDRESS>:7023"
[18:35] <bmcgahan> can I say only NAT if coming from <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[18:35] <OerHeks> kevin123, i see, cannot help you there
[18:36] <OerHeks> contact samsung maybe?
[18:36] <_Kevin_> It's fine, not your fault
[18:36] <k1l_> _Kevin_: yes, you loaded "something"
[18:36] <OerHeks> bad archive ..
[18:37] <lordcirth> bmcgahan I think there is a way to do that
[18:37] <k1l_> kevin123: bu i still think that this "something" is not what you think it is.
[18:38] <k1l_> _Kevin_: ok, just test the link in a browser: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/downloads/software/samsung_magician_dc-v1.0_rtm_p2.tar.gz
[18:38] <k1l_> _Kevin_: and if you look at the wget output "301 moved". the link is not working
[18:38] <lordcirth> _Kevin_, run "file <filename>"
[18:38] <_Kevin_> It's from this site (https://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=46645.0 and another user linked me the same link, and it was on an ubuntu forums answer. This is the wget site I've been using http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/downloads/software/samsung_magician_dc-v1.0_rtm_p2.tar.gz
[18:39] <lordcirth> _Kevin_, yeah, click that link, it redirects to the samsung homepage
[18:39] <lordcirth> you downloaded a bunch of html and stuff
[18:39] <_Kevin_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17001351/
[18:40] <_Kevin_> Ah I see
[18:40] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, you could also add a rule to block traffic to the forwarded port, when it is coming from your gateway.
[18:40] <_Kevin_> So I'm guessing it's no longer available. Would the firmware be included anyway in kernel backports?
[18:40] <lordcirth> _Kevin_, why do you need the firmware, again?  Is there a bug?
[18:40] <_Kevin_> No, just optimizations
[18:41] <_Kevin_> I read somewhere that it's good to update the firmware for ssd's
[18:41] <bmcgahan> lordcirth: how though?
[18:41] <k1l_> _Kevin_: i dount it would be included in the kernel at all. that is stuff that samsung needs to fix on their machines
[18:42] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, is your gateway your firewall?
[18:43] <bmcgahan> there is no gateway it's just a server on the internet
[18:43] <bmcgahan> it's a cloud server
[18:43] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, ok but what hosts is it NAT'ing for, then?
[18:43] <bmcgahan> it's a hypervisor
[18:43] <bmcgahan> it's natting to the guests
[18:43] <lordcirth> oh ok it's NATing for VMS
[18:43] <bmcgahan> yeah
[18:44] <hooli> _Kevin_: https://github.com/hughsie/fwupd
[18:45] <lordcirth> Ok, so something like this, I think: iptables -A FORWARD -s <server internal ip> --dport <internal port> -j REJECT
[18:46] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, ^
[18:46] <lordcirth> er, maybe not
[18:46] <daumie> @ruben HI buddy
[18:47] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, I mostly use shorewall to manage iptables, I find it much easier.
[18:47] <_Kevin_> hooli: that's already included in ubuntu and I have nothing to update. I guess I don't need to update anything then.
[18:47] <_Kevin_> Thanks for all the help, guidance, and info everyone :)
[18:49] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, have you considered a VPN between these 2 machines?
[18:49] <OerHeks> have fun kevin
[18:49] <daumie> -kelvin_ You are welcomed :-)
[18:55] <bmcgahan> lordcirth: adding the -s <IP_ADDRESS>/24 from the NAT statement fixed it
[18:55] <bmcgahan> thanks for the help
[18:55] <bmcgahan> sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i bond0 -s <IP_ADDRESS>/23 -p tcp --dport 12030 -j DNAT --to-destination <IP_ADDRESS>:7023
[18:55] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, ah excellent
[18:56] <lordcirth> Yeah that makes sense
[18:58] <lordcirth> bmcgahan, if ever you find yourself using iptables, and there's no existing system in place like here, don't, use shorewall.
[18:58] <lordcirth> Shorewall is great.
[19:09] <catopett> 7nickserv identify 5eiknygt
[19:13] <lordcirth> catopett, time to change your password, lol
[19:13] <catopett> I know, how do i do that?
[19:13] <lordcirth> catopett, always do that from the server tab, not the channel, just in case
[19:13] <lordcirth> catopett, /query nickserv
[19:13] <lordcirth> catopett, then say "help"
[19:17] <catopett>  /msg NickServ DROP catopett 5eiknygt 3a3af9f6:39155bab
[19:18] <OerHeks> :-)
[19:18] <michael_> hi
[19:18] <xangua> :-(
[19:18] <lordcirth> catopett, 2 mistakes: 1, doing this in channel where a mistake can post it.  Should do it in Freenode tab so it doesn't go anywhere.
[19:19] <OerHeks> catopett, do this in a private channel, we all have fun now
[19:19] <lordcirth> secondly, don't put spaces in front of the slash
[19:19] <lordcirth> michael_, hi
[19:19] <catopett> It is the keyboard, it does not work all time correckt
[19:19] <michael_> is this here a better place to ask for widi/miracast sink-server than in #ubuntu-devel?
[19:20] <catopett> How do i change password then, need help
[19:20] <lordcirth> catopett, /query nickserv.  Do everything in that tab.
[19:20] <Fuchs> catopett: /msg nickserv help set password
[19:21] <Fuchs> catopett: if you want to _drop_ the account I think it's a bit pointless, mind
[19:21] <PickledEggs> So I'm new to Linux and using 16.04 but I'm trying to learn some of the finer points of the command line in preparation for the Linux+ and I'm having a little trouble nailing down exactly how the -p flag works with the command cp and unfortunately the man pages aren't helping. When I cp a file inside my home directory it seems to keep ownership and permissions with the exception of write permission for others - if the original file
[19:21] <PickledEggs> had that write permission the copied file removes it but keeps all other permissions even without the -p flag to preserve permissions and ownership. If I cp files outside my home directory the -p flag acts as expected.
[19:21] <michael_> i need help with connman (new version), wpa_supplicant (new version) and https://github.com/01org/wds
[19:21] <PickledEggs> Is there some sort of rule or guideline to when permission/ownership is preserved without the -p flag?
[19:22] <PickledEggs> Is it just in my home directory or is it when I cp between any two folders I own?
[19:23] <lordcirth> PickledEggs, when you say "cp files outside my home directory" do you mean copying things into it, or out of it?
[19:23] <catopett> Now i have changed password
[19:23] <lordcirth> catopett, great :)
[19:24] <akarvi>  /join ubuntu-de
[19:24] <lordcirth> catopett, you may want to setup SASL if your client supports it, so you don't have to auth manually every time
[19:24] <catopett> I do have to identify again or do i?
[19:24] <lordcirth> catopett, whenever you connect to freenode you need to login.  Most IRC clients support doing this for you.
[19:25] <michael_> any idea, how to get miracast (widi) as a sink-server (receiver) working on ubuntu 16.04 (16.10)?
[19:25] <ioria> PickledEggs, cp -p works fine here
[19:25] <PickledEggs> right
[19:25] <PickledEggs> I'm more curious about when file permissions are preserved without the -p flag
[19:27] <PickledEggs> if I have a file with 777 permissions in ~/Documents and I cp it to ~/OldDocs which has folder permissions of 700 the file retains 777 permissions
[19:27] <Bashing-om> PickledEggs: A good tutirial on permissions: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions .
[19:29] <ioria> PickledEggs, yep
[19:29] <PickledEggs> Thank you Bashing, I'll take a look. I've got a pretty good handle on permissions, just the unexpected behavior of cp preserving permissions without using the -p flag when moving files between folders with different permissions inside my home directory
[19:30] <Soulboy> Hi I was hoping I could get some help with my WiFI issues I haev a log for it here http://paste.ubuntu.com/17003812/
[19:31] <Soulboy> I'm trying to dual boot ubuntu on an alienware 15 r2 but I don't think it recognizes my WiFi card despite having installed the firmware for it and such (it's running the killer wireless 1535 card)
[19:32] <ioria> PickledEggs, with -p, flag i mean
[19:33] <PickledEggs> yeah, it happens even without the -p flag, which is what threw me off
[19:33] <ioria> PickledEggs, are you sure ?
[19:34] <PickledEggs> certain, but only IF both folders are subfolders of my home directory
[19:34] <ioria> PickledEggs, did you use -r to chmod the folder ?
[19:34] <ioria> -R
[19:35] <PickledEggs> I left the folder with default permissions
[19:35] <PickledEggs> and chmod the file to 777
[19:35] <PickledEggs> then cp to the new folder
[19:36] <PickledEggs> I was just trying to play with cp and the various flags to make sure I understood them, but this has been nagging me since it didn't do what I expected and I can't seem to find any real documentation about when it works that way
[19:36] <ioria> PickledEggs, make a try ,  touch filename, chmod 777 filename, mkdir dirname, chmod -R 700 dirname, then cp (without -p ) filename in dirname
[19:38] <PickledEggs> when I do that the file in the new directory is now 775
[19:38] <ioria> PickledEggs, yep
[19:38] <ioria> PickledEggs, use -p
[19:39] <ioria> PickledEggs, to preserve
[19:39] <PickledEggs> yeah, I get that part
[19:39] <PickledEggs> I tired it just to be sure and it retains 777
[19:39] <ioria> right
[19:40] <PickledEggs> what I'm stumped about is why when I copy it without -p it changes to 775 and not 700 like the folder
[19:40] <lordcirth> PickledEggs, when you do "touch newfile" what permissions does it have?
[19:40] <catopett> PickledEggs: Is'nt it easyer to use mc?
[19:41] <ioria> PickledEggs, man umask
[19:41] <PickledEggs> 664
[19:42] <PickledEggs> catopett, I'm just trying to understand this part of cp, my teacher explained it so poorly she confused herself
[19:43] <jarlath> I'm a bit out of touch with processors these days. Could someone tell me if they think laptop 1 would be much faster than laptop 2 (which I already run Ubuntu on and it's very nice)? [1]: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/201596048734?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[19:43] <jarlath> [2] http://www.ebay.ie/itm/311589162878?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[19:43] <lordcirth> Honestly I have never really thought about the cp permission defaults.  Usually I just look and chmod
[19:44] <akik> jarlath: buying a ssd is such a speed boost compared to a hdd that i can honestly suggest that
[19:44] <jarlath> akik: I have SSD in it and will put one in the new model.
[19:46] <lordcirth> jarlath, 2.13 Ghz 2 core HT  vs 2.4Ghz 2 core HT.  And the turbo freq is the same, 2.9.  I don't see that much improvement.
[19:47] <lordcirth> jarlath, Wait, which laptop do you already have?
[19:47] <jarlath> lordcirth: thanks. I've seen such price differences between i5 and i7 on Dell's site that I thought it would make a big diff. I have the Dell one at the moment (i5) and I'm eyeing up the HP.
[19:47] <lordcirth> jarlath, The dell is faster.
[19:47] <lordcirth> 2.4 Ghz vs 2.1
[19:48] <jarlath> lordcirth: thanks, glad I asked as I had it backwards :)
[19:48] <lordcirth> jarlath, np.  What is slow, exactly?  Are you sure it's CPU?
[19:49] <catopett> I do not like DELL, i am a HP-person my self
[19:49] <lordcirth> 2.4 isn't that bad for a laptop.  4GB RAM is a bit small though.
[19:49] <jarlath> lordcirth: The Dell runs well and I was going to just get a 2nd one. But when I saw the HP for the same price and i7 vs i5 I thought maybe I should consider it.
[19:50] <lordcirth> jarlath, I thought you were replacing the laptop.  You want a second one?
[19:51] <jarlath> lordcirth: yes, one was for my daughter - we got it cheap. But it turned out to be the snappiest machine in the house :) So now that she's using it more I'm getting tired of my 9 year old lump that's significantly slower.
[19:51] <lordcirth> jarlath, Ah I see.  Well, of those 2, the Dell is better, but I think you could get a different laptop that's better.
[19:52] <lordcirth> Depending on your budget, maybe.
[19:52] <jarlath> lordcirth: much appreciated. I'll dig around a bit more. But the price is quite good and I won't be gaming.
[19:53] <jarlath> lordcirth: out of curiosity, what spec would you boost and by how much if you had to pick one - cpu? I already have a spare SDD.
[19:53] <catopett> whait does this mean? "Connection reset by peer"
[19:54] <jarlath> catopett: it means the server/service you were downloading from/logged into has dropped your connection.
[19:55] <jarlath> catopett: for example, if I'm rendering a large web page from my server and I shut it down, that message could appear in the browser that was accessing it. Could be ssh i'm thinking of, can't remember.
[19:55] <lordcirth> jarlath, I would want 8GB RAM.  After that, I would boost CPU single-thread up to 2.8Ghz or so, then I'd look at quad-core.
[19:56] <jarlath> lordcirth: gotcha.
[19:56] <jarlath> Thanks again.
[19:56] <lordcirth> jarlath, np
[19:58] <catopett> DELL = Du Er Lett-Lurt
[20:01] <jnagro> i need ideas debugging why my sdcard reader wont show up in 16.04
[20:02] <jnagro> macbook pro 13" retina (12,1)
[20:02] <jnagro> lots of docks online how to boot from sdcard (never got these to work)
[20:02] <lordcirth> jnagro, lspci, lsusb
[20:02] <jnagro> doesnt show in any of those.
[20:02] <jnagro> i *think* its probbaly a usb device under the covers
[20:02] <k1l_> jnagro: sdcard is known to be an issue on apple hardware.
[20:03] <jnagro> k1l_: so i'm out of luck?
[20:03] <k1l_> jnagro: on some devices the sd-card and wifi chip can interfer. so try to use ethernet instead of wifi and see if that works.
[20:03] <jnagro> interesting.
[20:03] <OerHeks> some cardreaders and wireless have the same controller on macbook pro
[20:04] <jnagro> its not the end of the world, it would just be nice. i have a small microsd storage expansion thing that fits perfectly in the slot - works in OSX
[20:04] <jnagro> which would effectively double the storage i have available
[20:04] <jnagro> but, like i said, not the end of the world.
[20:04] <OerHeks> is your wireless BCM57765 by any chance ?
[20:05] <jnagro> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43602 802.11ac Wireless LAN SoC (rev 01)
[20:07] <PickledEggs> Thank you ioria and Bashing-om, I've got it down now. My Linux teacher did a terrible job of explaining how that part of cp works and confused me by erroneously telling us that without -p files would always take on the permissions of the destination directory, which is simply untrue.
[20:08] <lordcirth> PickledEggs, many IT teachers who try to do a Linux unit do poorly
[20:09] <PickledEggs> yeah, no kidding - I often feel like I have a better grasp on the material than her, and I only know what I've had to pick up to keep my AWS and Google Compute Engine web servers running
[20:10] <lordcirth> I was lucky and got a really good teacher that year, he actually wrote the Linux+ textbook
[20:11] <PickledEggs> the Sybex one?
[20:11] <lordcirth> PickledEggs, https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4019770.Jason_W_Eckert
[20:12] <lordcirth> Also he was on the team that ported Gentoo (and the linux kernel) to mips64
[20:16] <PickledEggs> damn, that's cool
[20:17] <PickledEggs> what school if you don't mind me asking?
[20:19] <MonkeyDust> guys keep that for -offtopic
[20:19] <lordcirth> MonkeyDust, sorry
[20:20] <Guest93007> hi
[20:20] <Bashing-om> PickledEggs: :) .. this is
[20:20] <Bashing-om> 'buntu .. we are all in this together .
[20:20] <Guest93007> does anyone knows what `Unnamed/non-netdev interface` means in the output of $iw dev?
[20:20] <Guest93007> https://ghostbin.com/paste/x4ocd
[20:27] <pilne> i really don't know what i did to cause this, and it has happened on several varieties of ubuntu (unity, xubuntu, gnome, and mate), and several versions (15.04, 15.10, and 16.04). when i first install and pop up a terminal, i get a prompt instantly. After a while, when pulling up a terminal, it takes about a second or so to get a usable prompt, any ideas?
[20:28] <auronandace> pilne: you can wait a second or so
[20:28] <lordcirth> auronandace, he can, but that wasn't the question
[20:28] <pilne> i mean i do, i've never let that be the reason i re-install (that happens when i do something massively stupid lol), but it is a bit of a niggle i'd like to rid myself of.
[20:29] <lordcirth> pilne, if you run "history" how long is it?
[20:29] <pilne> 135
[20:29] <lordcirth> Ah, that's probably not it then
[20:29] <lordcirth> pilne, if you open a new tab in the terminal, is it fast?
[20:29] <pilne> the only *wierd* thing i install could be nvm for managing node.js versions
[20:30] <lordcirth> What about when you run "bash"
[20:30] <pilne> new tab has same delay
[20:30] <lordcirth> pilne, did nvm put anything in your .bash_profile or .bashrc ?
[20:30] <pilne> yes, it puts a small shim in to control which version of node loads
[20:30] <lordcirth> in .bashrc ?
[20:30] <lordcirth> That's probably it
[20:31] <pilne> this is pretty beefy hardware, so i didn't think that would be the cause, but i wouldn't be surprised to find out it is
[20:32] <lordcirth> pilne, SSD?
[20:32] <pilne> no, i7 2.2ghz, 12gb ram. but spinning platters still >.< lol
[20:32] <pilne> i've been meaning to put a ssd in
[20:39] <MonkeyDust> pilne  ssd isnt the new standard yet, i alsoi have spinning platters
[20:40] <OerHeks> NVMe is the new standard :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express
[20:40] <lordcirth> I have a 250GB SSD and a 1TB, 1.5TB, and 2TB random spare drives with 1TB raidz on each.  It's a weird setup.
[20:42] <compdoc> wasting a little space
[20:47] <enoch85> does ubuntu 16.04 get IP from DHCP at startup?
[20:48] <MonkeyDust> enoch85  yes, unless you changed the network settings
[20:48] <enoch85> it doesnät seem like it, because I provide VMs and my users have connection issues
[20:48] <enoch85> they have to run ifconfig -a to get the correct iface
[20:48] <MonkeyDust> enoch85  ok, try changing the vm network settings to bridged, instead of NAT
[20:49] <enoch85> MonkeyDust: they are bridged... when I package it I get ens33 but my users get something else...
[20:49] <enoch85> MonkeyDust: and ubuntu doesn't recognize it
[20:49] <OerHeks> enoch85, check networkmanager, 'allow all users' enabled?
[20:50] <enoch85> OerHeks: can you be more specific please?
[20:50] <OerHeks> no, just check networkmanager and your connection details
[20:51] <lordcirth> compdoc, me?  If the ZFS ever gets near full, I'll use the rest for scratch space.
[20:51] <enoch85> OerHeks: how do I get to networkmanager from cli?
[20:51] <lordcirth> enoch85, are these Ubuntu desktop or Server VM's?
[20:51] <enoch85> lordcirth: server vms
[20:51] <OerHeks> if you say ubuntu 16.04, we assume the desktop.
[20:52] <enoch85> OerHeks: sorry
[20:52] <enoch85> OerHeks: cutting edge here...
[20:52] <OerHeks> on server you want no networkmanager :-D
[20:52] <lordcirth> For Server, network settings are in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:52] <enoch85> lordcirth: yeah I'm aware of that, that's why I got confused
[20:52] <lordcirth> enoch85, just to be clear, you are making VMs, then sending them to clients?
[20:53] <enoch85> lordcirth: so what should I change, there are now "allow all users" afaik
[20:53] <lordcirth> And it's not working the same on their system?
[20:53] <enoch85> lordcirth: yes
[20:53] <lordcirth> enoch85, VirtualBox?
[20:53] <enoch85> lordcirth: yes
[20:53] <enoch85> vmware
[20:53] <OerHeks> enoch85, hmm i think you need to set static ip
[20:53] <enoch85> lordcirth: they get another iface, that's something new in 16.04
[20:54] <enoch85> depending on location and stuff afaik
[20:54] <lordcirth> enoch85, inside the vm, it gets ens33, but when it boots up on your client's vmware, it gets a different name?
[20:54] <lordcirth> That would happen when the network settings for the VM (in vmware) differ.  ie providing a different emulated NIC type.
[20:55] <enoch85> lordcirth: static? hell no :) then they wouldn't be able to connect if their router is setup differently. this vm get's downloaded liek 100 times per day.
[20:55] <enoch85> lordcirth: I get ens33 inside the VM, and they get something else, not all the time though
[20:55] <Bashing-om> enoch85: I am getting a glimmer that networking interfacing has changed in 16.04/ Does this file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules exist ?
[20:55] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html#bridging
[20:56] <lordcirth> enoch85, OerHeks recommended static, not me
[20:56] <enoch85> Bashing-om: sec
[20:56] <enoch85> lordcirth: sorry..
[20:56] <lordcirth> One way to fix it is to revert to eth# naming, yeah
[20:57] <enoch85> btw guys, try downloading it yourself: https://cloud.fsgo.se/index.php/s/SEpDJG3JHqoZIyx
[20:57] <lordcirth> enoch85, I'm not sure many here are still on vmware
[20:57] <lordcirth> Virtualbox or qemu/KVM are common now.
[20:57] <enoch85> Bashing-om: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules does NOT exist
[20:57] <OerHeks> disable predictable interface naming http://askubuntu.com/a/628504
[20:57] <lordcirth> Ah, owncloud?  Interesting
[20:58] <OerHeks> i would get used to that
[20:58] <enoch85> I'm on esxi so that's why I made them in VMware
[20:59] <lordcirth> enoch85, fyi, vmware is being sued because esxi includes GPL'd linux kernel code.
[20:59] <enoch85> lordcirth: oh crap
[20:59] <lordcirth> enoch85, don't worry, you're not in trouble.
[21:00] <lordcirth> However, I would avoid deploying any new VMWare hosts if you have a choice, it was already losing popularity anyway
[21:00] <lordcirth> May as well switch to KVM or Vbox
[21:00] <enoch85> lordcirth: to late, I set up my new server in esxi just a few days ago
[21:00] <enoch85> vpshere
[21:01] <enoch85> i was thinking of going to proxmox, but no
[21:01] <enoch85> I'm starting a new job next week and they use esxi so I figured I learn something by having it at home as well
[21:02] <enoch85> Bashing-om: what about the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ? should make one?
[21:02] <htns> hi, what is the best resource to learn java ee application development?
[21:02] <enoch85> worst case I will script it so that it runs ifconfig -a and gets the iface which is UP
[21:03] <OerHeks> htns, join ##java or #java for that, ubuntu phone is java-free \o/
[21:03] <enoch85> OerHeks: yay!
[21:04] <OerHeks> not even dalvik ..
[21:04] <enoch85> OerHeks: cool stuff
[21:04] <hp> people i have just installed lubuntu on an old HP laptop. i cannot get the wifi to work, anyone can help to tell me what is the hardware to install? i cannot find it...
[21:04] <enoch85> Bashing-om: I have /etc/udev/rules.d/99-vmware-scsi-udev.rules thoug
[21:05] <enoch85> though*
[21:05] <OerHeks> hp check the drivers util first, type driver in dash
[21:05] <Bashing-om> enoch85: As I am getting a glimmer . Networking has changed .. I have not caught up .
[21:05] <enoch85> Bashing-om: thanks!
[21:05] <hp> OerHeks: type drivers in terminal?
[21:05] <OerHeks> hp if no available driver shows up, open terminal: lspci # and see if the device is listed
[21:06] <OerHeks> hp, no in dash, ubuntu search
[21:07] <hp> OerHeks: i have lubuntu not ubuntu
[21:07] <lordcirth> hp just use "lspci" then
[21:08] <OerHeks> Lubuntu has LXDE menu > Preferences > Additional Drivers.
[21:08] <lordcirth> Oh cool
[21:08] <hp> OerHeks: lordcirth ok i have a list of drivers but i do not udnerstand them, i don't know what i should be looking for
[21:09] <lordcirth> hp, OerHeks has just informed us that Lubuntu has a GUI for this ^
[21:09] <lordcirth> I can never keep track of what variants come with what
[21:09] <OerHeks> 1st part is video .. below that there is AMD/INTEL microcode, and wireless drivers possibly
[21:10] <hp> lordcirth: OerHeks ok checking
[21:10] <OerHeks> on 16.04 i would just do 'sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' and get over it ( this installs all available items, suitable by default config)
[21:11] <OerHeks> or run: sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[21:12] <OerHeks> systemd-analyze plot > /home/$USER/Documents/isthisniceoristhisnice.svg
[21:12] <enoch85> Bashing-om: please keep me updated if you find anything useful
[21:14] <hp> OerHeks: in ubuntu if you choose to download 3rd party apps and update during the installation you will get all the nesseary drivers, i did the same here in Lubuntu, but did not get the wifi nor flash
[21:14] <hp> will be back might need to restart and see what happens
[21:16] <Bashing-om> enoch85: I am in that learning process .. I Have not to this time made the move to 16.04 // But I will .. and want to be somewhat prepared .
[21:19] <hp> l0rdkermit: OerHeks ok i found the application you wrote about addidtional drivers, there were switched off, i switched them on and restarted. but still no wifi
[21:20] <hp> i
[21:21] <sony> хелло ворлд
[21:21] <sony> есть кто то
[21:22] <minimec> hp: May I join the discussion....  Check if you have a WiFi-Hardware switch..., then try to run 'iwconfig' and 'rfkill' in a terminal. First command will show you if the system 'sees' your WiFi device. 2nd command would show you, whether the device is 'blocked' or not.
[21:22] <minimec> hp: Also... Give us the exact model name of that HP computer.
[21:23] <hp> minimec: ok 1 moment, the HP laptop is HP pavilion, but not sure which model, it has an 11" screen, it is second hand from someone who has not used it for a while, it has intel core m
[21:24] <hp> i will run your commands now minimec
[21:24] <minimec> hp: The exact rfkill command is 'rfkill list'. You may have to install the program.
[21:25] <paul__> heelo
[21:25] <winston2k> hello
[21:26] <paul__> i am new installed ubuntu mate
[21:26] <winston2k> same here ubuntu-mate
[21:26] <paul__> very clean and fast
[21:27] <hp> minimec: paste of both commands, https://da.gd/zgqv
[21:27] <winston2k> yes it is are you using hexchat?
[21:27] <hp> there is no wifi hardware swtich minimec
[21:27] <paul__> yes
[21:28] <winston2k> im using irssi command line irc client
[21:28] <paul__> that is nice
[21:28] <paul__> irssi is a real chat client
[21:28] <paul__> :-)
[21:28] <minimec> hp: Ok. The system doesn't see any wifi device. Look @ the back of the laptop or under the battery slot and give us the exact model name.
[21:28] <winston2k> still learning
[21:28] <hp> minimec: ok 1 minute
[21:29] <paul__> i am looking for a way to add an event in to lightning calendar tru the panel (clock)
[21:29] <hp> minimec: would the model be 11-n101nx?
[21:29] <auronandace> hp: you may need to use a fn key combination
[21:30] <hp> auronandace: such as?
[21:30] <auronandace> hp: i can't see your keyboard so i don't know
[21:30] <lordcirth> hp, look for a keyboard key with a wifi symbol
[21:32] <minimec> hp: Can you also give us the output of 'lspci' on fedora paste?
[21:32] <paul___> winston2k: here i am with irssi
[21:32] <paul___> :-)
[21:32] <winston2k> awesome
[21:32] <OerHeks> better use paste.ubuntu.com
[21:32] <hp> minimec: ok 1 moment
[21:32] <winston2k> are you fluent in irssi?
[21:32] <paul___> nope
[21:33] <auronandace> paul___: you might like weechat if you want a maintained commandline irc client
[21:33] <lordcirth> just " lspci | pastebinit "
[21:33] <winston2k> irssi is not maintianed anymore?
[21:33] <hp> minimec: https://da.gd/uDlYt
[21:33] <paul___> auronandace: i am already happy that i installed ubuntu mate :-)
[21:34] <OerHeks> carefull with those short url
[21:34] <paul___> on my lenovo
[21:34] <hp> lordcirth: auronandace looked at all keys, no wifi symbol, there is airplane symbol that does nothing
[21:34] <zykotick9> paul___: re: auronandace's weechat suggestion, i've personally _tried_ on twice to switch from irssi -> weechat, but i've returned to irssi both time... YMMV.
[21:35] <zykotick9> s/on twice/twice/
[21:35] <paul__> i need to learn first use hexchat and then irssi ..
[21:36] <minimec> hp: Give us the output of 'lspci -k | grep -A2 Broadcom'. I am looking at this thread on askubuntu... http://askubuntu.com/questions/402341/how-to-enable-drivers-for-bcm43142
[21:36] <PickledEggs> hp: you sure f12 isn't a wifi function toggle?
[21:37]  * zykotick9 is a very terminal-based person ;) http://imgur.com/tSxHIwW
[21:37] <OerHeks> what is the output of # rfkill list
[21:38] <hp> minimec: https://da.gd/qaQx
[21:38] <minimec> hp: I agree with PickledEggs. FN f12 might be a wifi toggler, but even then iwconfig should see the device, even if it is disabled, I guess.
[21:38] <winston2k> my linux buddies shame me into command line...everything
[21:38] <winston2k> so thats why im using irssi
[21:38] <hp> PickledEggs: minimec F12 is the airplane mode, when i use it nothing changes, neither wifi shows up not the internet cuts out
[21:39] <lordcirth> winston2k, it's a fast way to learn, I found
[21:41] <minimec> hp: do you see any devices when you do 'rfkill list'?
[21:41] <hp> minimec: i see bluetooth only
[21:42] <minimec> hp. ok. Give me a moment. It might be that the wrong Broadcom driver is loaded, but I need a 5. min break... ;)
[21:43] <hp> minimec: ok
[21:43] <hp> minimec: :-)
[21:43] <coventry> What is the actual command-line command which kicks off the ubuntu desktop (want it for a docker image.)  As in, after lightdm authenticates you, what commands does it run to start the desktop|
[21:43] <coventry> ?
[21:43] <Jordan_U> winston2k: irssi is most definitely still being maintained and actively developed. What suggested otherwise?
[21:44] <winston2k> Jordan, thought you were drawing a distinction between the two
[21:44] <winston2k> great then ill stay with irssi
[21:44]  * paul___ going to sleep, bye bye
[21:46] <coventry> Ah!  "unity"
[21:48] <jhenke> Hi, I am trying to run Xenail in a KVM VM with Virtio VGA to have proper OpenGL, but it does not get past the plymouth boot screen, so I do not even have a chance to see the cause of the problem. Did anybody got it working already?
[21:48] <jhenke> The kernel should have the proper DRM bits and well as Mesa in xenial
[21:51] <vampi-the-frog> hey guys. is there a midnight commander IRC channel?
[21:51] <compdoc> dont think Ive ever seen a Virtio VGA
[21:52] <compdoc> thats not an option in virt-manager, at least
[21:53] <minimec> hp: Ok. I am back. So you did not have any 'additional dirvers' to install right?
[21:54] <lordcirth> !alis | vampi-the-frog
[21:54] <lordcirth> vampi-the-frog, doesn't look like it
[21:55] <MonkeyDust> vampi-the-frog  no, ask your question here
[21:55] <hp> minimec: i could not find any
[21:55] <hp> minimec: but i found the driver name
[21:55] <vampi-the-frog> well I like how you can view large text files with good performance, and I want to write something to view a particular binary file format, but expanded to text
[21:56] <vampi-the-frog> so, kind of decompiling huge files
[21:56] <minimec> hp: What do you mean by that? "but i found the driver name"
[21:56] <vampi-the-frog> but somehow, make it so you can easily seek through the file (page up, page down, end, home) with good performance
[21:57] <hp> minimec: boardcom 802.11 linux STA wireless driver bcmwl-kernel-source
[21:57] <hp> minimec: not sure if it is or not
[21:57] <MonkeyDust> vampi-the-frog  F3 to view, F4 to edit
[21:57] <PickledEggs> So if I want to stream protected flash content (e.g. mlb.tv, espn3) I have to use Firefox instead of Chrome right? Since FF still has legacy support for NPAPI and PPAPI doesn't support DRM content, right?
[21:59] <vampi-the-frog> MonkeyDust, I know that, I'm trying to add support for a binary format so one could "view" it with F3
[21:59] <hp> minimec: BCM43142 802.11b/g/n is this usedul?
[21:59] <minimec> hp: Ok. That's what I am asking myself. You have the driver 'bcma' loaded, but I guess you need 'bcmwl'.
[22:00] <MonkeyDust> vampi-the-frog  a sort of plugin, you mean?
[22:01] <minimec> hp: We can try to 'blacklist' the 'bcma' driver once, and reboot. That would be the following command in the terminal: echo "blacklist bcma" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/wlan-blacklist.conf
[22:01] <minimec> hp: Then reboot. If we are lucky... who knows...
[22:01] <hp> minimec: ok see you in 5 minutes
[22:02] <vampi-the-frog> MonkeyDust, yeah
[22:02] <JohnC> ]
[22:03] <dreamaddict_> real quick...does anyone know where I can find info in order to make a better decision on which libcurl-dev to install...?
[22:04] <MonkeyDust> vampi-the-frog  start here, hope it helps https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=104176
[22:04] <user2635> does anyone know how to reset the home folders so they 'return' to the system language? Basically I switched back to english but my folder names haven't yet
[22:04] <MonkeyDust> auch, mint
[22:04] <hp> minimec: did not work :-(
[22:04] <hp> still no wifi
[22:05] <minimec> hp: can you give me the output of 'lspci -k | grep -A2 Broadcom' again?
[22:05] <hp> minimec: ok 1 moment
[22:06] <MonkeyDust> !find libcurl
[22:07] <hp> minimec: https://da.gd/B8mLU
[22:09] <minimec> hp: Did you give me the 'new' output, or just the same as before, because that 'bcma' module is still noaded.
[22:09] <hp> minimec: the new one
[22:12] <minimec> hp: What does '/etc/modprobe.d/wlan-blacklist.conf' give you? It should say 'blacklist bcma'. <ctrl>x to close the nano software.
[22:12] <minimec> hp 'nano /etc/modprobe.d/wlan-blacklist.conf'...
[22:13] <hp> minimec: yes blacklist bcma
[22:14] <Bomber4Chats> OK, I'm having a difficult time figuring out where I'm losing myself when trying to properly install ubuntu, but here we go:
[22:15] <Bomber4Chats> I have an MSI ws60 6qJ workstation laptop. It contains a 256GB SDD hard drive. What the Intel Rapid Storage Technology is showing me is that I actually have a SATA array with 2 128GB PCIe SSDs
[22:15] <Bomber4Chats> Windows is showing me 1 disk for the SSD (there's another HD of 1TB)
[22:15] <Bomber4Chats> so it shows 2 disks, instead of, say, 32
[22:15] <Bomber4Chats> so it shows 2 disks, instead of, say, 328
[22:15] <Bomber4Chats> 3*
[22:16] <minimec> hp: ok. strange... We will remove that blacklist file again... 'sudo rm /etc/modrpobe.d/wlan-blacklist.conf' and verify that the 'bcwl-kernel-source' package is installed 'sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source'.
[22:16] <Bomber4Chats> What happens is when I set SATA mode in BIOS to AHCI Ubuntu is seeing 2 drives of 128GB. Windows is showing that 40GB of the 256GB SATA array are being used by Windows (C:)
[22:17] <Bomber4Chats> So Ubuntu is not helping me see what not to allocate from the SSDs so as not to ruin Windows for Daul Booting\
[22:18] <Bomber4Chats> I'm not sure what I should be disabling / enabling to have both Windows and Ubuntu agree on some disk partitioning that would have Windows have it's space, and Ubuntu have the ability to take some of that space on the SSD of itself, without ruining Windows
[22:18] <hp> minimec: when i command sudo rm /etc/modrpobe.d/wlan-blacklist.conf i get no file directory
[22:19] <hp> bcmwl-kernel-source  is installed
[22:19] <LtL> hp: modprobe was spelled wrong
[22:19] <Bomber4Chats> (and BTW, if I try to boot to Windows on AHCI, it won't (boot device not find, some similar text). This probably has to do with the fact that Windows was preinstalled on the SSD array)
[22:20] <hp> minimec: bcwl-kernel-source: command not found
[22:20] <minimec> hp: Yeah I misspelled 'modprobe' in the command...
[22:20] <hp> LtL: thanks, fixed
[22:20] <LtL> welcome
[22:21] <LtL> hp: always use tab-completion when possible to avoid typo's
[22:22] <hp> LtL: will do  :-)
[22:23] <minimec> hp: I misspelled that one again. It's 'bcmwl-kernel-source'
[22:24] <hp> minimec: still command not found
[22:25] <minimec> hp: 'sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source' See... http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&section=all&arch=any&keywords=bcmwl-kernel-source&searchon=names
[22:26] <minimec> hp:  Do you have the 'restricted' repository enabled?
[22:26] <hp> minimec: already installed
[22:26] <hp> minimec: not sure if there is a restriction
[22:26] <minimec> hp: So it's installed. ok.
[22:27] <hp> minimec: yep :-/
[22:28] <Bomber4Chats> I hope someone hasn't seen my request yet so they can take a look at it. :P
[22:30] <minimec> hp: So in the following forum post they purge and reinstall that kernel source package (besides blacklisting a Lenovo specific driver). I do not see the reason for that, but I don't really know what to do next. Blacklisting 'bcma' didi not do the trick, as it was loaded after reboot (strange). http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2302450&page=2&p=13398720#post13398720
[22:32] <hp> minimec: hmmmm its ok i will follow their instrcutions and see what happens, i really appriciate your help, there seems to be other inconsistancies with other firmware anyway, sound does not work etc...
[22:32] <hp> thank you so much :-)
[22:32] <danawar> Hi Ubuntu i don't know where to take this question but inside networking on my VPN i tick the box 'use this connection only for resources on its network' and i cannot access resources on the network but if i untick i can additionally if i untick i no longer have working internet ! :(
[22:34] <LtL> minimec: does ubuntu need a 'deb-src' line in /etc/apt/sources.list to get source code?
[22:34] <igs> yes
[22:35] <minimec> LtL: Yes. If you want the sources of a package you need the 'deb-src' line of the according repository.
[22:35] <LtL> roger :)
[22:50] <OerHeks>
[23:01] <cyborg_> is irc HTTPS , I can debug., the information on this side or can say irc HTTPS programs for irc programming.:)
[23:02] <cyborg_> irc programs are https  ?!
[23:03] <Dysko> ko
[23:03] <Bomber4Chats2> So my windows boot manager is currently residing on my RAID0 array, which is running on my ssd.
[23:03] <Bomber4Chats2> I want to install Ubuntu on a part of that ssd.
[23:03] <YankDownUnder> cyborg_, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat
[23:03] <cyborg_> after small program call ether ape too show protocol
[23:04] <Bomber4Chats2> Kinda sounds like a mission in impossible, no? I don't have a Windows 10 install disk / iso
[23:04] <cyborg_> pinging drones wired.
[23:04] <Bomber4Chats2> And I shouldn't think about deleting the raid volume, right?
[23:05] <OerHeks> Bomber4Chats2, you can obtain one free from ms, ask in ##windows
[23:05] <cyborg_> tcpspy shows yes. irc is secure.
[23:06] <YankDownUnder> cyborg_, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat
[23:06] <OerHeks> you can enable ssl for irc, but https apps for irc ..
[23:07] <lordcirth> cyborg_, IRC is secure if enable ssl, but many don't.  So don't assume it's secure.
[23:07] <cyborg_> over out...developer
[23:09] <seeit> hello, can someone help me troubleshoot setting up xrdp on a 14.04 Server running on azure?
[23:11] <OerHeks> seeit, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/xrdp .. else find the azure channel howto setup the host
[23:12] <Bomber4Chats2> If I have backed up an image of Windows to an external drive, will it incluse a Windows installer?
[23:12] <seeit> been there, and its not working, thanks
[23:18] <danes> hello, I am trying to extend my monitor to a third display using an hdmi to vga adapter. Right now I can mirror screens but not extend it. Any suggestions?
[23:19] <guest5351> hello
[23:21] <guest5351> hi
[23:23] <danes> hi
[23:28] <hey00> Hello, I just came back to ubuntu (mint), and after some updates, I have a software updater popup asking me to reboot. If I click "restart later", it comes back 10 minutes later. Anyone know how to make sure that popup will never again pop up on my screen?
[23:29] <winston2k> click restart now
[23:29] <HackerII> usually, when it asks to reboot, it needs to be rebooted
[23:29] <OerHeks> hey00, click reboot, and it will disappear
[23:30] <OerHeks> or wait, is this a mint issue? happens on ubuntu too anyway
[23:30] <hey00> OerHeks: no, I don't want to reboot, and I don't want my OS to keep nagging me
[23:30] <HackerII> el oh el
[23:31] <HackerII> man-up and reboot
[23:31] <hey00> I tried fiddling with the settings but got nothing.
[23:31] <HackerII> !mint
[23:32] <hey00> I installed ubuntu mint (official ubuntu flavor). And I didn't install linux to put up with windows-like bullshit, I want control of my system, I want to turn that popup off
[23:32] <Bomber4Chats2> Doesn't step 2 of the answer to this SO question delete windows from the disks? http://askubuntu.com/q/660023/552466
[23:32] <HackerII> android has your name on-it
[23:33] <danes> hello, I am trying to extend my monitor to a third display using an hdmi to vga adapter. Right now I can mirror screens but not extend it. Any suggestions? can I do it directly on the terminal?
[23:35] <hey00> No idea?
[23:35] <OerHeks> hey00, install dconf-editor, and edit com.ubuntu.update-notifier >> http://i.imgur.com/uUbiv7F.png
[23:35] <hey00> OerHeks: thanks, I'll try that
[23:36] <OerHeks> but you will need a reboot to activate i guess
[23:36] <zee> can some one pleas help me
[23:36] <zee> basically i downloaded the OS by using unetbootin and it worked but the thing is windows is still there taking up a bunch of space also everything i download and update deletes everytime i restart or shutdown my computer im new to all this please for the love of god help me!!!
[23:37] <zee> basically i downloaded the OS by using unetbootin and it worked but the thing is windows is still there taking up a bunch of space also everything i download and update deletes everytime i restart or shutdown my computer im new to all this please for the love of god help me!!!
[23:38] <OerHeks> a live usb is just a live usb, nothing get stored (unless you created a persistance part)
[23:38] <zee> how exactly do i do that
[23:39] <hey00> zee: do you want to install ubuntu on your hard drive or keep using a live usb?
[23:39] <zee> i want to install it on my harddrive @hey00
[23:40] <zee> i want to delete windows but not till i get ubuntu to start saving my info
[23:40] <jay_> in mly hard disck for me but my os is Kubuntu
[23:40] <hey00> then once you boot on the live usb, you should have an "install ubuntu" icon on your desktop. click it and follow
[23:41] <zee> ok ive tried that but it wont let me because too much space is being used by windows
[23:41] <coollinuxpenguin> dont install on bad
[23:41] <coollinuxpenguin> hdd
[23:41] <coollinuxpenguin> it wont work
[23:42] <zee> what is a bad hdd
[23:42] <coollinuxpenguin> hdd is hard disk drive
[23:42] <zee> how do you know if its bad or not
[23:43] <coollinuxpenguin> before install do a the live disk
[23:43] <OerHeks> bad hdd is an prelimenairy conclusion, zee needs to make free space in windows first, then start the usb with installer
[23:43] <coollinuxpenguin> and check disk
[23:43] <hey00> I see. I guess you used the automatic install when prompted. I don't know how ubuntu does it. I would use gparted to reduce the windows parition and create a new empty one, then the manual mode of the install to tell it to use that new one
[23:43] <zee> idk what a live disc is either im extremely new to all this
[23:43] <OerHeks> !install
[23:44] <coollinuxpenguin> that willl help
[23:45] <kshenoy> Can someone help me figure out why urxvt doesn't display a glyph properly? The glyph in question is U+29C9
[23:45] <coollinuxpenguin> you will love ubuntu
[23:45] <zee> hey00: yes i did automatic install . how do i figure  put which partition is windows
[23:46] <coollinuxpenguin> how many partitions are there
[23:48] <zee> i think like 4 or 5 let me check real quick
[23:48] <LtL> zee: windows partition will be labeled NTFS
[23:49] <LtL> zee: fdisk -l
[23:50] <zee> ltl: you still there?
[23:50] <LtL> zee: yes
[23:51] <zee> can u do a private chat with me so the rest of these chat pop ups wont confuse me
[23:52] <LtL> zee: we should keep it in the channel for cross-checking purposes, i am not familiar with live installs.
[23:52] <zee> ok
[23:53] <zee> ltl: i have three rows that says ntfs
[23:53] <zee> how do i know which one to do
[23:54] <LtL> zee: the proper way to dual boot is boot windows, use disk management to shrink the NTFS partition and leave unallocated space for linux.
[23:54] <zee> one says SYSTEM 199.00 MiB ..... the other sayd /cdrom 213.42 Gib
[23:54] <LtL> zee: thats weird, i won't touch that.
[23:55] <minimec> zee: try '/ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS' without '' in the chat text line. If you are lucky, there will be much less 'flodding' in the #channel.
[23:55] <LtL> zee: okay, you have windows and a windows recovery partion, both you keep. the cdrom is irrelevant
[23:56] <LtL> -*partition
[23:56] <john38> does anybody here know anything about GLabels????
[23:56] <tominator> What partition table can be read by BIOS and UEFI?
[23:57] <LtL> zee: the point is to prepare the hdd for linux properly. from windows.
[23:57] <OerHeks> !uefi
[23:58] <tominator> ubottu: I'd like for it to work on both
[23:58] <zee> ltl: ok so delete cdrom
[23:58] <tominator> oh
[23:58] <OerHeks> Size: minimum 100Mib. 200MiB recommended.
[23:58] <OerHeks> Type: FAT32
[23:58] <OerHeks> Other: needs a "boot" flag.
[23:58] <tominator> Does GPT work on BIOS?\
[23:59] <OerHeks> sure
[23:59] <LtL> zee: no, eject it. i dunno what youre doing with a cdrom partition.
[23:59] <zee> do i go to windows to do this or use ubuntu