[12:22] <juliux> hi RichEd-1
[02:55] <cliebow> Seveas: did you build .deb for freenx..if so it works awesome
[04:58] <rockprincess> hello?
[05:03] <rockprincess> Ogra!
[05:23] <Dheeraj_k> can any body tell me how apt works?
[05:23] <rockprincess> yeah sure Dheeraj_k
[05:24] <rockprincess> what's the problem Dheeraj_k?
[05:27] <Dheeraj_k> it is dam slow if i'll get idea how it work than i may integrate it with sql server
[05:27] <Dheeraj_k> to get better performence
[05:30] <Dheeraj_k> any site?
[05:33] <Dheeraj_k> for information?
[05:34] <rockprincess> hmm sorry, no idea
[06:35] <harrypopof> Hi all
[07:18] <antoniou> hi harrypopof
[07:36] <slammm> h
[07:36] <slammm> hi
[07:52] <cbx33> hey juliux
[07:52] <juliux> hi cbx33
[11:53] <LaserJock> hi Pete
[11:54] <cbx33> hey LaserJock


[11:35] <stgraber> jibel: ping
[12:21] <jibel> stgraber, pong
[12:23] <stgraber> jibel: did you have a chance to read what I wrote in this channel yesterday?
[12:23] <stgraber> jibel: regarding the download page on the ISO tracker
[12:25] <jibel> stgraber, yes, I read it but forgot it this morning, reading again :)
[12:25] <stgraber> ok :)
[12:34] <jibel> stgraber, how do you make the link with the build number ? is it a substitution in the path ?
[12:35] <stgraber> yeah
[12:35] <jibel> will the previous serie be associated automatically with the new milestone ?
[12:36] <stgraber> not automatically but should that'll be one or two extra clicks when adding a milestone
[12:36] <stgraber> s/should//
[12:39] <jibel> and what about dailies ?
[12:39] <stgraber> dailies are pushed to a "Precise daily" milestone that'll have "precise" as the series
[12:39] <jibel> ok
[12:42] <stgraber> so when we'll have Q alpha-1 we'll probably want to copy all the download links from the precise series to the Q series, but that's a one every 6 months thing
[12:42] <stgraber> *once
[12:51] <jibel> I'm still pondering.
[12:51] <jibel> I liked the idea to have a structure closer to the product with the notions of release, flavour, variant and arch
[12:52] <jibel> this was closer to how the builds are named and published
[12:52] <stgraber> yeah but doesn't fit so well when we also need to deal with hardware (laptops) and software (packages)
[12:52] <jibel> but given the current data model, that's too much changes to work with multiple releases at once and being generic at the same time
[12:53] <stgraber> I think adding the series to the tracker will make it closer to what we have on LP and should solve most of our issues
[12:53] <jibel> stgraber, I agree. go for it
[12:53] <stgraber> as download links can be per-series and then testcases can be per-series too
[12:57] <stgraber> jibel: ok, I'll implement it once I'm no longer on the bus and I had my morning coffee :)
[12:58] <jibel> stgraber, :)
[14:26] <jibel> mvo, about auto upgrade testing, why is it a failure when there is a .dpkg-dist left after upgrade ?
[14:26] <jibel> mvo, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/precise-upgrade/PROFILE=ubuntu,label=upgrade-test/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/ubuntu/bootstrap.log
[14:26] <jibel> bah
[14:26] <jibel> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/precise-upgrade/PROFILE=ubuntu,label=upgrade-test/lastBuild/artifact/ubuntu/bootstrap.log
[14:28] <jibel> in that case is it because of this change
[14:28] <jibel>     - debian/sudo.preinst:
[14:28] <jibel>       + avoid conffile prompt by checking for known default /etc/sudoers
[14:28] <jibel>         and if found installing the correct default /etc/sudoers file
[14:28] <jibel> in sudo (1.8.3p1-1ubuntu1)
[14:32] <stgraber> jibel: do we want the bugs on the daily milestone to be tagged on LP?
[14:32] <jibel> stgraber, yes
[14:33] <stgraber> perfect, no change to do to the script except a few seds then :)
[14:35] <mvo> jibel: its usually a conffile
[14:36] <jibel> mvo, yep, in that case it's sudoers.dpkg-dist but why is it a failure to have this file left after upgrade ?
[14:38] <jibel> is it because there was a debconf prompt and there shouldn't be ?
[14:46] <mvo> jibel: yeah, exactly
[14:46] <jibel> mvo, I'll file a bug then, thanks!
[14:49] <mvo> jibel: it should probably not be a hard error, more a warning
[14:49] <mvo> jibel: if jenkins supports this, no idea
[14:49] <mvo> jibel: how did the main-all thing go? is there a test image for that yet or can I help here?
[14:51] <jibel> mvo, I must validate a gnome-theme SRU and regenerate the base image. I planned to do that before A1.
[14:51] <jibel> (which is soon)
[14:55] <jibel> mvo, jenkins supports warnings but I am not sure if it is core or as a plugin. I'll change the tests to report in junit format after A1, so we'll have finer results
[15:04] <mvo> jibel: thanks, as always, much appreicated!
[15:04] <mvo> jibel: if I can help with the main-all base image building, just shout
[15:04] <mvo> jibel: on this bigiron machine we have I would even like to try to build a huge universe image
[15:08] <jibel> stgraber, you should have purged the test database before running the bot
[15:09] <jibel> it's tagging random bugs
[15:39] <jibel> stgraber, could you disable the bot please
[16:21] <stgraber> jibel: done
[21:09] <mario_> hi
[21:09] <mario_> can somebody help me?


[00:09] <Technobabble> quick question:  i have a myth setup with a wintv pvr 150 set up as the "mpeg2 pvr-x50" setting and it works fine and all.  i was just wondering if it was normal for it to have like a 3 second delay
[00:20] <surge> same with mine
[00:20] <surge> i think it is
[00:20] <surge> do you use a remote ?
[00:31] <Technobabble> well, i have AT&T uverse, and i have a box that isn't working properly so i'll have to get a new box in there
[00:32] <Technobabble> but yeah, i was
[00:32] <Technobabble> i'm guessing a blaster should be my next pickup?
[00:36] <surge> what
[00:36] <surge> i need to buy a blaster myself
[00:43] <Technobabble> any of you guys recommend one in particular?  my pvr-150 doesn't have a blaster slot, so i'm guessing it'll have to be USB
[00:57] <surge> same
[00:57] <surge> let me know which one you find
[00:58] <Jorophose> you could always try a bluetooth remote; unless you're working with other stuff?
[00:59] <Jorophose> I know woot.com had a pretty sweet philips one a few days ago...
[00:59] <Jorophose> oh and yeah it's like 4 hours later but your PVR-150 should have RCA audio-out, named as L/R audio :P
[01:11] <surge> it does
[01:11] <surge> you there ?
[01:51] <jmichelsen> Iv got a remote question, anyone care to take a shot?
[03:38] <balz> I have a dynamic IP assinged by my ISP and this obviously causes problems for mythweb.  Is there anything that can be done to consistently know what address to connect to?
[04:00] <hads> Dynamic DNS would be the obvious solution
[04:08] <balz> hads:  okay.  is it possible to use dynamic DNS even if my webserver is on a port other than 80?
[04:09] <rhpot1991_laptop> balz: yes
[04:09] <balz> okay great. thanks
[04:10] <rhpot1991_laptop> you just do :xxxx for the port you use in the url
[04:12] <balz> rhpot1991_laptop:  you mean in my web browser, or is that how i should define the address in dyndns?
[04:12] <rhpot1991_laptop> in the web browser
[04:13] <balz> gotcha. so i would type in "http://mydyndnsaddress.com:XXXX"
[04:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> yep
[04:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> throw a /mythweb at the end and your goledn
[04:24] <balz> oh right. of course. awesome.  i just got a buddy of mine to check from his house, and apparently it works!
[04:27] <balz> when I click on the "video" tab in mythweb, I get a list of my  movies, but there is no metadata (including cover art).  If I click on the title, I get the following error page:  The requested URL /mythweb/data/video/Anchorman the Legend of Ron Burgundy.avi was not found on this server.
[04:27] <balz> well the file name/path obviously changes for each movie, but it's always the same
[04:28] <rhpot1991_laptop> balz: gotta go check the symlinks in mythweb
[04:28] <balz> how do i do that?
[04:29] <rhpot1991_laptop>  /var/www/mythweb/data
[04:29] <rhpot1991_laptop> make sure they point where your videos are
[04:29] <balz> i get to /var/www and then the mythweb directory is a symlink... is that normal?
[04:30] <balz> it points to /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb
[04:31] <rhpot1991_laptop> yes
[04:32] <balz> ok i found the culprit... /var/www./mythweb/data directs (through symlinks) to /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data  and the symlink there points to the wrong directory
[04:32] <balz> but for some reason i don't ahve the permission to change it. do i need root access?
[04:33] <balz> if so that'll be a pain bc i'm doing this through winscp... i'm not familiar with the commands for symlink creation/deletion
[04:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> ya you need to do it as sudo
[04:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> man ln will tell you what to do
[04:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> ln -s <target> <name>
[04:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> I think, but I always mix them up so check
[04:48] <balz> rhpot1991_laptop:  i put the appropriate symlinks there, but now the web page says I don't have permisson to access the files... is this because I used sudo to create the symlinks?
[04:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> balz: verify that the symlink is pointing at them, you may need to tweak the permissions on the files
[04:53] <balz> the links all point to the right place
[04:54] <balz> and the video files are all 0660 for permissions
[04:54] <balz> owner and group can read/write...
[04:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> mine are all 644
[04:57] <balz> what's the difference?
[04:57] <MythbuntuGuest74> I was running an older version of Mythtv and I just built a new box with mythbuntu.  I copied over all my .iso's of my dvd's.  Whey I try to play  them they are all messed up.  Any thoughts/suggestions?
[04:59] <rhpot1991_laptop> balz: everyone has read permissions
[05:00] <balz> rhpot1991_laptop:  what's the command to set the drive and all its contents to 644?
[05:02] <rhpot1991> in the directory with them run: sudo chmod 644 *
[05:03] <balz> cool thanks
[05:09] <balz> rhpot1991:  i keep getting "missing operand after 644"
[05:11] <balz> nvm i forgot the path to the drive
[05:17] <balz> rhpot1991:  now i don't have permission to access it at all... even from the tv
[05:17] <balz> i tried reverting to 0660 but no luck...
[05:39] <MythbuntuGuest74> I can't get mythbutu to recognize a dvd.  It won't play or rip it.
[05:44] <balz> MythbuntuGuest74.  Try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras and see if that helps
[05:45] <MythbuntuGuest74> Actually, in just digging, I think it may the the device name.  When I run ls -l | egrep dvd in the /dev dir I get dvd1 -> scd0
[05:45] <MythbuntuGuest74> dosen't it expect /dev/dvd not /dev/dvd1 ?
[05:45] <balz> hmm. i'm not sure.  i'm really not too good with this
[05:45] <balz> but that seems right
[05:46] <MythbuntuGuest74> I just created a sim link.  time to run downstairs and check :-)
[05:47] <balz> haha oh good you know about symlinks? maybe you can save me, when you get a  minute ;-)
[05:51] <hads> Permissions do different things to files than they do to directories. Directories will want the x bit set for your user to be able to access them.
[05:51] <hads> http://www.zzee.com/solutions/unix-permissions.shtml
[05:54] <balz> hads:  what do you mean by x bit?
[05:55] <balz> hads:  i managed to set the drive to 000, so all files/directories are readable and writeable by all, correct?
[05:55] <hads> By x bit I mean the execute permission
[05:55] <balz> ooh okay
[05:56] <MythbuntuGuest74> The simlink fixed it (at least for ripping).  Then I found in the setup where I can change /dev/dvd to /dev/dvd1 :-)
[05:56] <hads> That page would be a good read.
[05:56] <MythbuntuGuest74> can't get play to work, but it's ripping and that is all I need for now
[05:57] <balz> hads:  yeah i'll have to dive into it...
[05:59] <balz> hads:  now i'm very very very confused... it says here that the digit 0 means deny all, but setting that drive to 000 fixed my problem.   my user can now create/delete files on that disk
[06:05] <balz> oh I guess i was using umask and not chmod?
[08:15] <balz> Anybody home?
[08:17] <balz> I have problems with mythweb:  when I click on a video title, I get a black page with "video is loading" in the middle.   The address bar shows that i've reached the correct file, but I never see the video? does it just take a long time to load?
[08:17] <balz> also, I can't get my movie posters to show up... i checked the symlinks and they seem okay (although I really can't tell)... any thoughts?
[09:33] <lir__> hey
[09:43] <lir__> ough...
[09:45] <lir__> my X server has grown tired of me... it's S-Video output is connected to my TV which now only shows the NVidia logo, no desktop screen and the keyboard's leds are not active, as in, pressing the num lock, doesn't do anything, but if I press the CTRL+ALT+DEL it does reboot the system, meaning the signal does get cought
[10:07] <lir__> nm, got it
[10:07] <lir__> DPMS setting was set
[15:55] <Foople1> is there any USB analog capture device that can actually be made to work in mythbuntu?  For real?  Not just vaguely written guides that reference obsolete versions, have huge caveats, and are themselves listed in other guides that say the first guide doesn't work?
[16:02] <jphillip> Foople1 easiest way is to find something and look for info on the wiki, lots of devices work but most usb devices are going to require you to do some work yourself in 8.04
[16:02] <jphillip> I believe there should be some better support for some of them in 8.10
[16:02] <jphillip> the wiki I am refering to is wiki.mythtv.org
[16:07] <Foople1> thanks jphillip I'll poke at it some more.  Do you happen to know offhand how to reset the resolution in X these days?  It's stuck on a resolution smaller than the configure box.  It's going through HDMI.  I believe it was using a higher resolution earlier and got confused (and stayed that way) after rebooting it without the TV on.
[16:09] <jphillip> Foople1 ctrl+alt+backspace will restart x, it will close all running apps though
[16:15] <MythbuntuGuest22> I just switched to Mythbuntu.  Everything works great but mplayer.  I can't seem to map lirc to allow the "menu" button on my report to go to a menu in mplayer.  With xine I could map the menu button to go the the dvd root menu.  I can press "m" on a keyboard, but it's not workign form the remote.
[16:16] <foxbuntu_vm> MythbuntuGuest22, you need to setup a map in your ~/.lirc/mplayer file
[16:16] <Foople1> it really likes this smaller resolution.  It definitely was larger to begin with, all the control panel stuff is cut off now.  Used to be there was a utility called something along the lines of 'xf86config' that one banged ones head against for hours to configure X.  I suspect there's a nice shiny configure app somewhere, but I can't find it or the screen isn't big enough to see it.  I can't even click accept on any dialogs because the
[16:19] <foxbuntu_vm> MythbuntuGuest22, after you create the proper button map, you will need to restart lirc ( sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart ) and mplayer if it is open in order for the changes to take effect
[16:19] <foxbuntu_vm> Foople1, what video card?
[16:19] <Foople1> it's a mac mini
[16:20] <foxbuntu_vm> oh
[16:20] <foxbuntu_vm> do you know what video card its using?
[16:20] <Foople1> haha I'm trying to find out
[16:20] <foxbuntu_vm> lspci
[16:22] <MythbuntuGuest22> ah, ok.  it's the restart lirc I missued. I'll try that
[16:22] <MythbuntuGuest22> Is there any way to map it directly to the root menu of the dvd or is the best I can do to get that popup menu?
[16:23] <foxbuntu_vm> MythbuntuGuest22, there is prob a key in mplayer to go to the dvd top menu, I just dont know what it is
[16:24] <MythbuntuGuest22> ok, thnx. I've searched a lot of doc and have not been able to find it.
[16:24] <Foople1> it's an Intel GMA 950 on the apple site, a Intel 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express in lspci.
[16:27] <foxbuntu_vm> Foople1, hmm, you shouldnt have many issues with that card, however I would make sure the drivers are infact working: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[16:28] <Foople1> any idea what command tells it to take another look around?
[16:29] <Foople1> used to be you had to have a custom X server binary for each driver and everything had to be specified everywhere by hand, I'm just assuming it's easier now :)
[16:33] <Foople1> aha, it is much easier
[16:33] <Foople1> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, reset X, works great
[16:33] <Foople1> good stuff.  As an added plus mythfrontend takes 10x longer to pre-scale images.
[16:34] <Foople1> too bad I can't watch TV
[16:38] <Foople1> I don't suppose anyone in here has actually used any USB analog capture devices with mythbuntu?
[16:39] <Foople1> most everything on the wiki isn't even made anymore
[16:44] <jphillip> Foople1 cause analog is dead
[16:44] <jphillip> the hauppauge hybrid tuners should be supported in 8.10, until then you will need to get the correct drivers for them
[16:45] <Foople1> I have a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 950Q
[16:46] <Foople1> I've been very careful with it and followed all the guides I could find to the letter, and to reward me it's keeping me from watching TV and rotting my brain.
[16:47] <Foople1> as I understand it to go digital I enter a confusing maze of tunnels most of which end in "it's encrypted and you can't watch it"
[16:48] <Foople1> money is no object, I just want this to work well when it's done.  I'm willing to buy anything smaller than a cable company.
[16:51] <jphillip> Foople1 unfortunately you are gonna run into encryption with most everything but analog
[16:51] <Foople1> and there's basically no way to use anything encrypted with mythtv is there?
[16:58] <jphillip> you can, but you need to use a cable box to unencrypt it first
[16:59] <jphillip> so cable to the box, then out to your tuner
[16:59] <Foople1> is there some fancy way to make it change channels?  It just decodes one at a time right?
[16:59] <jphillip> Foople1 depends on what you have, most cable boxes will have firewire that you can use, or you can IR blast them
[16:59] <jphillip> some things like directv boxes you can change via usb
[17:00] <jphillip> are we strictly talking SD here or HD as well?
[17:00] <Foople1> I believe my provider has some HD channels, my TV is HD, I just haven't bothered with all of it due to the encryption aspect.
[17:01] <Foople1> TiVo > more pixels
[17:01] <jphillip> well for SD you should be able to just go from the cable box to your tuner, via svideo, composite or cable
[17:01] <Foople1> hdhomerun only works with unencrypted digital doesn't it?
[17:01] <jphillip> for HD if youw ant to record something encrypted you will need the HDPVR which is still bleeding edge in linux
[17:02] <jphillip> Foople1 yes, only does unencrypted qam
[17:02] <Foople1> meh
[17:02] <jphillip> so essentially just your locals
[17:02] <Foople1> such a cool device with such limited use
[17:02] <jphillip> such a great device that just works is my opinion
[17:02] <jphillip> I do hdhomerun and then firewire for what channels I can get from the box
[17:02] <jphillip> gets me almost everything
[17:03] <Foople1> hmm firewire, you're having the cable box stream you data over firewire or ?
[17:04] <jphillip> yep
[17:04] <Foople1> interesting
[17:04] <jphillip> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire
[17:04] <jphillip> warning: its a gigantic headache
[17:04] <jphillip> with firewire you can have your box entirely locked out, or just individual channels
[17:05] <jphillip> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=795378
[17:05] <jphillip> is also very useful
[17:06] <Foople1> locked out?  It crashes the box, or firewire is inherently limited?
[17:07] <Foople1> how gigantic is the headache?  This current headache is pretty big.  Can't say how big as I still don't have it working.  It's a headache in progress.
[17:24] <jphillip> Foople1 locked as in the channel is encrypted and cannot be passed over the firewire
[17:24] <jphillip> it all depends on your cable company and what happens in your area
[17:36] <jphillip> Foople1 http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable
[18:40] <Foople1> thanks jphillip, very interesting info.  If (most) everything the box has is available over firewire, what is hdhomerun for?
[19:06] <jphillip> Foople1 lets you record clear qam, so you have uninterupted access to your ota channels
[19:06] <jphillip> dual tuner that just works for relitively cheap
[19:07] <Foople1> so primarily so you can record more than one thing at once?
[19:07] <jphillip> firewire (sadly) is inheritly unstable due to the encryption schemes
[19:08] <jphillip> the cable co doesn't want you using that they want you to rent their dvr instead
[19:08] <Foople1> my cable co doesn't even appear to have a plan that includes HD but no DVR
[19:09] <Foople1> when searching someone had a collection of scripts they said gave them 100% stability on firewire
[19:11] <Foople1> actually it was in that thread you linked
[19:11] <Foople1> "MythTV changes the channels with this. No matter the state of my firewire connection, this script achieves a connection and data transfer for clear channels 100% of the time:", about halfway down
[19:12] <jphillip> "for clear channels"
[19:12] <Foople1> nod
[19:13] <jphillip> once you widdle the list of channels you can get down then it is reliable enough
[19:13] <Foople1> so what has to be done when it gets stuck?
[19:13] <Foople1> cool
[19:13] <jphillip> but part of the problem is that the encryption randomly turns on and off
[19:13] <jphillip> I've seen shows that had no encryption then it flicked on for a commercial
[19:13] <Foople1> haha
[19:13] <jphillip> and if your box tries to initiate while the encryption is on it will fail to record
[19:14] <jphillip> I can't recort BBC america for that reason
[22:16] <alexvd> hello if I am still running 7.10.  IF I want to move to 8.04 all i have to do is a standard ubuntu dist upgrade?
[22:16] <alexvd> will it keep my recording schedules, database, recordings, etc.
[22:26] <jphillip> alexvd its always a good idea to backup your db before upgrading
[22:27] <jphillip> you should be able to just upgrade though
[22:34] <alexvd> jphillip: thanks do you run the script in mythtv or do you backup another way
[22:47] <hads> mysqldump mythconverg > your_backup.sql
[22:47] <hads> You may need a -p and a -u in there.
[22:49] <robert`> My OSD (channel info at bottom) is shaky. Is there somewhere I can look to fix this?
[22:56] <robert`> Changing Interlaced to Progressive fixed it.


[09:27] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:29] <rmg51> Morning
[09:45] <JonathanD> Whats up rmg51
[09:46] <rmg51> just us
[09:46] <JonathanD> seems like my autoaway is broken.
[12:03] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:04] <jedijf> why do i always feel like the last category
[12:23] <teddy-dbear> because your not a dog or a turkey, and people have doubts about you being a peoples ;-)
[12:24] <jedijf> exactly
[17:48] <jthan> jedijf: ROBOT
[17:59] <TheLordOfTime> i'm more likely to be part robot than jedijf is... xD
[20:00] <jthan> I think I miss using Linux more often.
[20:00] <JonathanD> so use it more often.
[20:00] <JonathanD> :P
[20:01] <jthan> I don't really have the means at the moment.
[20:01] <jthan> Like...  I love him.
[20:03] <jthan> He even gives out free ideas, life tips... umm..... bread
[20:04] <JonathanD> jthan: they were from ntr
[20:04] <JonathanD> jthan: jedijf's got those connections ;)
[20:05] <jthan> I finally got my raspberry pi.. maybe it'll satisfy my craving for a little while.
[20:06] <jedijf> jthan: if i give - no one owes me
[20:06] <jedijf> jthan: do arch on pi
[20:06] <jthan> jedijf: I was considering arch, actually. Might roll it on the linode first just to mess around.
[20:07] <jedijf> do on pi
[20:07] <jthan> Have you gotten a pi?
[20:07] <jedijf> certainly
[20:08] <jthan> What's it do for you?
[20:08] <jedijf> lol - nothing
[20:08] <jthan> I want to get a TV tuner and use xbmc to record my bff anderson cooper.
[20:08] <jedijf> thats on my list
[20:08] <jthan> Well I've got everything to do so except a TV Tuner that is on the list of approved ones.
[20:08] <jthan> I'd rather get arch up and running first
[20:09] <jthan> If I go with arch*
[20:09] <jthan> Which I probably will
[20:10] <jedijf> i need to design something for these red light cameras
[20:10] <jthan> That sounds fun.
[20:11] <jedijf> like a missile launcher
[20:11] <jthan> Well that seems excessive.
[20:11] <jedijf> $100 a pop is getting expensive
[20:11] <jthan> Maybe a potato gun.


[08:34] <pitti> Good morning
[08:35] <ajmitch> morning pitti
[08:36] <sladen> morning
[08:37] <cyphermox> good morning
[08:49] <ev> hiya
[08:51] <geser> good morning
[08:55] <pitti> ev, cjwatson: I've got working GI bindings for libxklavier yesterday; I submitted them upstream, but if you want to work on it soonish, I can create a PPA for you if you want?
[08:55] <pitti> ev, cjwatson: that's for bug
[08:55] <pitti> bug 800561
[08:56] <ev> pitti: cheers! I'm happy to wait for it to land in the archive, given that we shipped 11.10 without it
[08:58] <pitti> ev: upstream already responded yesterday, I hope it'll land RSN; but in case you want to play around with it, I wanted to tell you
[09:10] <ev> thanks
[09:35] <mpt> mvo, hi, is robert_ancell around? I'd like to talk with you when you're both free, about recovering from failed upgrades
[09:44] <mvo> mpt: I check the desktop room
[09:45] <pitti> mpt: in the desktop room here
[09:49] <mpt> Hi robert_ancell, are you or mvo on Skype? Or else Mumble?
[09:49] <robert_ancell> mpt, we can mumble
[09:52] <robert_ancell> mpt, mvo is busy at the moment, do you want both of us?
[09:52] <mpt> robert_ancell, ideally.
[09:52] <robert_ancell> ok, we'll call then
[09:52] <mpt> thanks
[09:52] <robert_ancell> (in 15 mins)
[09:53] <mpt> ok
[09:57] <cjwatson> pitti: that's great, thank you - what ev said
[10:26] <mvo> mpt, robert_ancell: I'm ready now, sorry for the delay
[10:27] <mpt> mvo, robert_ancell was just on Mumble but then left
[10:32] <mpt> robert_ancell, phone call instead?
[10:36] <mpt> mvo, sorry, I'm not hearing what you're saying
[10:37] <mvo> mpt: not hearing at all or in bad quality?
[10:37] <robert_ancell> mvo, now your mic is stuck on
[10:37] <mpt> mvo, you sound like a MIDI keyboard
[10:37] <mvo> mpt: I think we need both, at startup and at the installer level
[10:37] <mpt> mvo, ok
[10:37] <mvo> mpt: as the startup maybe in susch a bad shape that it can not recover from the installed system
[10:38] <mpt> mvo, robert_ancell: So would the UI for the startup variant be inside Plymouth?
[10:38] <robert_ancell> mpt, I would have thought it would be in grub or failsafe-x
[10:39] <mvo> we have support in friendly-recovery for recovering from a broken upgrade, but the UI is certainly lacking :/
[10:39] <mpt> Is it a console UI?
[10:39] <mvo> yes
[10:39] <mvo> text ui
[10:39] <mvo> not even progress bars
[10:40] <mpt> ok
[10:41] <mpt> If they were both implemented, would the startup and installer-based recovery systems share code at all?
[10:43] <mvo> that is a interessting question, it depends on how we do it - but I would image that the installer-based on is very much apt-clone based. I haven't put much thought into how it would be done on startup, but there are certainly area where code can not be shared, like the UI in ubiquity would be different etc
[10:45] <mpt> mvo, that question was mainly about whether it should be one or two specifications :-)
[10:47] <mpt> mvo, robert_ancell: so, I'll do sketches for both a Ubiquity-based UI and a console-based UI
[10:53] <robert_ancell> mpt, ok, so mvo and I talked here and we think you probably just need an ubiquity UI and a software-center UI
[10:53] <mpt> robert_ancell, why would it go in USC?
[10:53] <mvo> mpt: and the software-center UI we have (the rapair broken catalouge)
[10:54] <robert_ancell> mpt, so ubiquity is used for severe corruption cases, and software center for minor breakages (e.g. flash)
[10:54] <robert_ancell> The stuff we covered at UDS (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GracefulFailure) is more about detecting failure and notifying the user as opposed to necessarily fixing the problems
[10:54] <mvo> the console based one would fall right into the middle of this so its probably not worth the effort
[10:55] <mpt> ok
[10:55] <robert_ancell> and it's not clear which part of the boot would be able to detect the failure (without side effects of slowing boot) and launch such a console UI
[10:58] <mvo> for the console UI you would have to have a work kernel, python at least
[11:11] <seb128> mvo, bug #913719
[11:13] <mvo> thanks seb128
[11:13] <seb128> mvo, thank *you* ;-)
[11:28] <mpt> mvo, how long would it take to go through the available partitions on a typical PC, and detect that one of them was a broken Ubuntu installation? Seconds? Minutes?
[11:28] <mvo> mpt: ev will be able to answer this better, but I think second
[11:28] <mvo> s
[11:28] <mpt> ok
[11:31] <ev> answered out of band
[11:54] <pitti> cjwatson: are you aware of any recent changes in the live system build? desktop CDs are now 21 Mb oversized, and I think last week they were at 705 MB; but the alternates did not grow, so iso-deb-size-compare won't work
[11:56] <pitti> cjwatson: hm, then again the health check from an hour ago still says
[11:56] <pitti> ubuntu/daily-live: precise-desktop-amd64.iso oversized by 5550080 bytes (739553280)
[11:57] <pitti> so maybe I mix it up with that (wrong?) number
[12:18] <cjwatson> pitti: not that I know of
[12:38] <Riddell> pitti, cjwatson: is there a tech board meeting today?
[12:54] <cjwatson> Riddell: good question, I guess it depends on what the schedule in Budapest is like
[12:55] <pitti> I guess I can make it
[12:56] <pitti> who is chairing today?
[12:56] <pitti> ah, mdz
[13:51] <MacSlow> pitti, ping
[13:51] <pitti> MacSlow: hey
[13:52] <MacSlow> pitti, hey... I just switched to precise on my laptop and not compiling libunity it complains about missing "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.la"
[13:53] <pitti> MacSlow: right, .la files are gone; we don't need them, they only cause unnecessary extra dependencies
[13:53] <MacSlow> pitti, it's form some part of the linker-work during make... I was wondering if there might be an issue with the packages on precise
[13:53] <MacSlow> pitti, so what's needed on my side now to make the "make" work again?
[13:53] <pitti> MacSlow: it might come through a library in between, though; perhaps you can pastebin the last couple of lines of build log?
[13:54] <pitti> i. e. a faulty .pc file of a library package
[13:55] <MacSlow> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/798218/
[13:55] <pitti> MacSlow: seb128 is coming over to you
[13:55] <pitti> MacSlow: most probably you have a local broken /usr/local/lib/*.la
[13:55] <MacSlow> pitti, cool... seb128 thx :)
[14:31] <barry> ScottK: re: "port to qt" - not sure either, but mvo mentioned it when we chatted.  that was mostly just a placeholder.  if it's available upstream, pending packaging, that's much better
[14:31] <ScottK> Cool.
[14:32] <barry> thanks for following up on the blueprint
[14:32] <ScottK> I played with it a little and it's not 100% straightforward to package, but I think it's doable with a bit of fiddling.
[14:32] <barry> do you have a branch or other code i can start with?
[14:32] <ScottK> No.
[14:33] <barry> k
[14:33] <ScottK> I'd start with pykde4 in precise.
[14:33] <barry> yep
[14:34] <ScottK> barry: The one thing that's not just coercing it to build is figuring out what to do about /usr/lib/kde4/kpythonpluginfactory.so.
[14:35] <ScottK> Although with the .so name munging in python3, maybe it's OK.
[15:04] <barry> ScottK: right, it would end up being kpythonpluginfactory.cpython-32mu.so so it shouldn't conflict *although* the import machinery might get confused if they both exist
[15:05] <ScottK> That would be the tricky part.
[15:05] <ScottK> Will python3.2 prefer a munged name over an unmunged one?
[15:05] <ScottK> If it will, it should be ~fine.
[15:06] <barry> ScottK: i'm checking the source now :)
[15:06] <ScottK> Cool.
[15:15] <barry> ScottK: yep, module.soabi.so gets found before module.so, so we should be good (glad i did the right thing and/or used the time machine keys)
[15:15] <ScottK> :-)
[15:15] <ScottK> Then it's probably just a matter of build-deps and beating cmake into submission.
[15:16] <l3on> doko, I looked at libkml, but your patch introduced in bug debian #650525 does not work
[15:16] <l3on> can you help me to understand wath's wrong? :)
[15:16] <l3on> *what
[15:17] <barry> cool, now it's in the whiteboard so i'm on the hook :)
[15:17] <ScottK> Excellent.
[15:17] <tjaalton> slangasek: got a multiarch-related bug for you, not sure where to put it, bug 874143
[15:20] <tjaalton> slangasek: so apparently the non-native version of the package got installed before the native one got upgraded
[15:20] <tjaalton> see the end of apttermlog
[15:27] <doko> l3on, to reproduce it yourself, you could try to build in a oneiric or precise chroot (debootstrap sets it up for you). do you package a new upstream version?
[15:28] <l3on> doko, no. I have grabbed merge from debian
[15:29] <doko> l3on, build log?
[15:30] <l3on> lost, wait a bit, I'm going to rebuild it
[15:40] <trism> Is there a reason the debug dbus-daemon binary is installed to /bin? (in both oneiric and precise)
[15:43] <l3on> doko, http://debomatic64.debian.net/precise/pool/libkml_1.3.0~r863-3ubuntu1/libkml_1.3.0~r863-3ubuntu1.buildlog
[15:43] <l3on> the current debian package has your patch on board
[15:45] <doko> l3on,  ../../src/kml/engine/libkmlengine.la ../../src/kml/regionator/libkmlregionator.la
[15:45] <doko> exchange these two
[15:48] <slangasek> tjaalton: this is bug #835625
[15:49] <tjaalton> slangasek: cool, thanks, I'll dupe it then
[15:49] <slangasek> tjaalton: I don't think we're going to backport to 11.04 apt though, because we weren't provisioning multiarch for users in 11.04
[15:50] <slangasek> tjaalton: so you've been hit by this problem by being an early adopter only
[15:50] <tjaalton> slangasek: nah it wasn't me, just was going through the bugs against libpciaccess
[15:51] <slangasek> tjaalton: ok
[15:55] <semiosis> When/how often does Ubuntu sync from debian unstable?
[15:56] <cjwatson> This cycle we've been syncing from testing, not unstable
[15:56] <cjwatson> We just stopped doing so today
[15:56] <cjwatson> For the first half or so of a release cycle, the sync is roughly daily
[15:58] <semiosis> cjwatson: when you say stopped doing so... does that mean you've stopped debian syncs altogether or have switched to unstable?
[15:59] <semiosis> here's my issue, i work with the debian maintainer of the glusterfs project and we just committed a patch that enables the latest version to build.  i'd like to see that latest version included in 12.04.  should I now file a syncrequest?
[15:59] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:59] <cjwatson> semiosis: We stop syncs for the second half of every Ubuntu release cycle
[15:59] <cjwatson> But just the automatic ones - you can still request them
[15:59] <semiosis> ah ok.  thanks i'll do that.
[15:59] <cjwatson> So yes, file a sync request if you want it
[16:00] <semiosis> one more thing... the debian package glusterfs-server includes an initscript, but that causes a bug on ubuntu beucase of upstart/mountall.  i've contriubted an upstart job to the upstream project, but since debian doesn't use upstart, its not in the debian package.
[16:00] <semiosis> so i'd like to add a merge to ubuntu to add the upstart job to the glusterfs package in ubuntu
[16:01] <semiosis> does that sound right?
[16:01] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:02] <ScottK> Althoguh upstart is in Debian, so there's no reason it couldn't be added there too.
[16:02] <cjwatson> upstart jobs are a fairly common source of divergence at the moment though, so *shrug*
[16:02] <semiosis> afaik including an upstart job in the debian package adds a requirement on upstart-job, which causes install to break on debian boxes
[16:02] <cjwatson> you wouldn't be the first
[16:02] <cjwatson> depends on how you do it ... but yeah
[16:03] <trism> When I say debug dbus-daemon, I don't mean unstripped, I mean, has the DBUS_BUILD_TESTS sections enabled. It is copied twice in the build logs, once from build/bus and then overwritten by build-debug/bus
[16:15] <l3on__> doko, → http://debomatic64.debian.net/precise/pool/libkml_1.3.0~r863-3ubuntu1/libkml_1.3.0~r863-3ubuntu1.buildlog
[16:15] <l3on__> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/share/java': No such file or directory
[16:16] <semiosis> cjwatson, ScottK: thanks again!
[16:20] <stokachu> slangasek: I was looking into bug #858122 comment #45 and didn't see anything related in the bazaar revisions that would relate to this. I see wfink has been doing most of the commits would he be able to provide some status on that bug?
[16:20] <stokachu> slangasek: if nothing has been done I dont mind picking it up and looking into i
[16:20] <stokachu> it*
[16:22] <slangasek> stokachu: wfink is upstream for insserv, he wouldn't have any input on this as it's entirely a distro integration question
[16:22] <stokachu> ah
[16:23] <stokachu> i may be looking at wrong package in launchpad then
[16:23] <slangasek> stokachu: the main thing to do be done is to move insserv off the system path, I believe
[16:23] <slangasek> stokachu: I think you're looking at an import of the upstream source rather than at the package
[16:23] <stokachu> ok, so we are thinking move it off system path then help pkg maintainers to fix their packages?
[16:24] <stokachu> or just provide a technical release note of some sort
[16:24] <slangasek> which package maintainers do you mean?
[16:24] <stokachu> these would be 3rd party like turboprint who calls insserv directly
[16:24] <slangasek> does turboprint call insserv unconditionally, or only if detected?
[16:25] <stokachu> good question I'd need to get their source packages and look into it
[16:25] <slangasek> FWIW I wasn't planning on doing any work to fix third-party packages; they're using a non-standard interface, and stopping that interface from being available fixes the critical bug
[16:26] <stokachu> ok sounds good
[16:40] <stokachu> slangasek: would I be wrong in suggesting upstart replace/conflict: chkconfig, insserv?
[16:40] <stokachu> upstart already replaces sysvinit so why not go a bit further
[16:48] <slangasek> stokachu: I don't know that the chkconfig package is incompatible, is it?  And as for insserv, upstart itself doesn't conflict with insserv at all, and in the long term I actually think we will be using insserv for bridging upstart and sysvinit dependency information
[16:48] <slangasek> stokachu: so I'd really prefer that we just shunt insserv to a different directory and not diverge from Debian's initscripts package for this
[16:48] <stokachu> ok
[16:49] <stokachu> ah yea so update.rc-d uses insserv... i think chkconfig calls insserv directly though, i need to research that more
[16:56] <cjwatson> mvo: so for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-lts-upgrades, the way I did this for previous releases was to copy .debs into dists/$CODENAME/main/dist-upgrader/binary-$ARCH/ on the CD - will that still work?
[16:56] <mvo> cjwatson: it should, yes
[16:58] <cjwatson> cool, that should be easy then
[17:05] <mvo> cjwatson: let me know once its there and I will a) re-enable my old code b) test ;)
[17:17] <Riddell> mdz, pitti, cjwatson: well I need to go out, if there is a tech board meeting I can get home for it fine but please text message me 20 mins before
[17:18] <Riddell> jriddell.org/contact.html
[17:30] <mdz> Riddell, I'm expecting to have a meeting; is there talk of canceling it?
[17:30] <mdz> there is content on the agenda
[17:32] <ScottK> mdz: It looks like last meeting's content though. I think PAE kernel is done.
[17:34] <ScottK> PAE/non-PAE
[17:34] <Riddell> mdz: there's no agenda made and pitti and cjwatson weren't sure if it was happening
[17:44] <mdz> ScottK, Riddell, two items were just added today
[17:45] <Riddell> ok I'll assume Kubuntu LTS is being discussed and be back in time for it
[17:47] <arges> broder, hello. does your backportpackage script allow for first backporting a dependency and then feeding that to backport the original package? or is this something I need to set up in pbuilder? thanks
[19:43] <psusi> cjwatson: since partman makes an extended partition for you anyhow, why doesn't it just put the root filesystem inside it as well, instead of only the swap partition?
[19:45] <cjwatson> psusi: Because many BIOSes will refuse to boot if you have no primary partitions at all.
[19:45] <funkyHat> re. the new version of gnutls (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-January/034629.html)... surely LGPLv3+ allows use in GPL2 projects? Surely that's the point of the LGPL (well not specifically GPL, but other licenses, including closed source ones)
[19:47] <psusi> cjwatson: ahh, so makes sense if you chose the option to use the whole drive, but when installing along side windows...
[19:47] <cjwatson> psusi: Then it will use logical partitions for both.
[19:48] <psusi> cjwatson: hrm... from what I've seen it still puts the root in a primary and only swap in logical
[19:49] <cjwatson> psusi: Happy to look at a partman log, but it's not supposed to do that in general.
[19:49] <cjwatson> funkyHat: I'm afraid that's not the way it works
[19:49] <psusi> cjwatson: good to know... will file a bug report with the logs if I see it again
[19:50] <cjwatson> funkyHat: you can google for "lgplv3 gplv2 compatibility" for instance ...
[19:51] <cjwatson> funkyHat: http://gplv3.fsf.org/dd3-faq has a compatibility matrix
[19:53] <funkyHat> cjwatson: thanks. I'll have to re-read the licenses to try to understand why...
[20:03] <cjwatson> funkyHat: if it helps, the reason for the incompatibility is in the terms of the GPLv2, not in the terms of the LGPLv3
[20:04] <funkyHat> cjwatson: yeah I found a couple of bits relating to samba that said that. I didn't realise GPLv2 was that restrictive
[20:04] <cjwatson> funkyHat: GPLv2 says "must distribute under terms of GPLv2 with no additional restrictions" and LGPLv3 has a couple of additional restrictions over GPLv2
[20:04] <cjwatson> IIRC
[20:05] <cjwatson> there's the system libraries exception, but we don't get to use that when we're distributing both library and thing-that-uses-library
[20:05] <funkyHat> So GPLv2 software can't link with libraries under *any* license that is more restrictive than the GPLv2 (with the exception of standard system libraries, apparently)
[20:07] <cjwatson> right (and even then only if distributed separately from those system libraries)
[20:07] <funkyHat> I suppose because I've seen GPL software released for Windows I assumed it was ok to link with anything, where in fact it's only ok because of the system libraries exception
[20:07] <cjwatson> this is also the reason the GPL is incompatible with the OpenSSL licence
[20:07] <cjwatson> funkyHat: yes
[20:08] <cjwatson> my understanding is that Microsoft would not be permitted to distribute GPLv2 software together with Windows, although I haven't previously thought about this :)
[20:09] <cjwatson> I understand that the GPLv3's system libraries exception is broader; I haven't checked how it would work in such a hypothetical situation
[20:10] <cjwatson> GnuTLS could solve this using an LGPLv3/GPLv2 dual licence, if they wanted to: http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Licensing-of-GNU-Packages
[20:43] <pitti> nnnn
[20:43] <StevenK> mmmm
[20:43] <pitti> oops, sorry
[20:43]  * ScottK thought bug numbers were up to nnnnnn.
[20:44] <StevenK> Soon it will be nnnnnnn. :-(
[20:44] <ScottK> Yep.
[20:44] <pitti> is there a prize for filing bug #1e6?
[20:45] <ScottK> That should be "on desktops"
[20:45] <ScottK> They've got ~5% on smartphones.
[20:50] <trism> pitti: I think the --exec-prefix=/ is in the wrong spot in the dbus package rules, it is overriding the --prefix flag on the test build, so those binaries are overwriting the main ones (sorry if you're the wrong one to poke, I just notice you did the merges)
[20:52] <pitti> trism: not sure that I follow -- the package seems to be fine, it ships dbus-daemon and some tools in /bin, as it should?
[20:53] <pitti> --prefix /usr is actually intended, as we want manpages, pkgconfig, include files and whatnot in /usr
[20:54] <cjwatson> the claim earlier today was that /bin/dbus-daemon (IIRC) was from the debug build pass rather than the regular one
[20:55] <stgraber> pitti: around?
[20:56] <trism> pitti: if you look at the build log, the dbus-daemon is copied twice to debian/tmp/bin, once from build/bus and again from build-debug/bus
[20:57] <mdz> stgraber, kees, pitti, cjwatson, soren, TB in 5
[20:57] <trism> pitti: so we get the one with all the DBUS_BUILD_TESTS sections enabled (the binary is twice the size of the one in debian)
[20:57] <mdz> ish
[20:57] <cjwatson> yep
[20:57] <pitti> mdz: o/
[20:58] <pitti> trism: ah, I see
[20:58] <pitti> trism: have a meeting now, would you mind filing a bug about it? (or just mail me, but bug is nicer for tracking)
[20:58] <trism> pitti: sure, I'll file a bug
[20:59] <pitti> trism: thanks!
[22:43] <broder> arges: backportpackage can't do that for local builds, but you could upload to a ppa - packages in a ppa can depend on other packages in a ppa
[23:04] <arges> broder, awesome., i'll give that a try then


[23:23] <tsimonq2> wgrant: I'd like to remove all recipes from ~lubuntu-dev but I keep getting timeout errors; is there a good way to do it programatically?


[07:41] <dholbach> good morning
[10:32] <jgdx> popey, hey, question: I have a couple of testers of an app I've made, and every update is difficult to distribute manually. I'd like to use the store, but it's also very alpha. What can I do?
[10:34] <popey> jgdx: yeah, we don't have a beta store yet, I don't know where it is on the radar - JamesTait / beuno will know more
[10:35] <jgdx> popey, you're saying distribute manually until…
[10:35] <popey> yeah, there's no other solution right now
[10:35] <popey> (that I know of)
[10:35] <JamesTait> We kind of sort of almost do have a beta store.
[10:35] <jgdx> JamesTait, do tell
[10:35] <jgdx> what kind of sort of
[10:37] <JamesTait> "Channels" is what you need, but I'm not sure if all the parts are completely in place yet. The index certainly supports it; myapps has some support, as you've probably noticed from the new UI.
[10:37] <JamesTait> I don't think devices have any support just yet.
[10:38] <JamesTait> jgdx, is this a phone app?
[10:38] <jgdx> JamesTait, yup
[10:39] <JamesTait> And who are your beta testers, and how are they downloading your packages?
[10:39] <JamesTait> I mean, you don't have to name them...
[10:40] <JamesTait> But are they just helpful members of the community, Canonical employees...?  It makes a difference because some of the myapps UI isn't fully exposed yet, AIUI.
[10:40] <jgdx> JamesTait, helpful members on rc-proposed :)
[10:43] <JamesTait> Awesome. ☺   I don't think there's an easy way to do it on the device quite yet, because I'm fairly sure devices are not yet channel-aware.
[10:45] <JamesTait> But you can certainly publish your beta to the beta channel, and it will be downloadable, but they'll need to sideload it.  There'll be no automatic updates yet (see above).  So I'm not sure if that gets you any further than you already are?
[10:45] <jgdx> not sure what sideload is in this context?
[10:46] <JamesTait> Rather than install via the Store scope, download it and pkcon install-local ...
[10:46]  * JamesTait remembers he needs to update get_click.py to be channel-aware as well.
[10:48] <jgdx> okay, yeah, that doesn't get me any further. But it's nice to know that it's not possible yet.
[10:51] <JamesTait> I think, in summary, we have at least a first iteration of a channel-aware store, but no channel-aware clients.
[10:58] <JamesTait> Ah, it looks like myapps only makes the stable channel available yet anyway.


[00:30] <reaperofpoverty> hi
[00:30] <reaperofpoverty> can anyone help me install ubuntu? i'm having issues with it
[00:31] <reaperofpoverty> i'm installing ubuntu 10.10 my windows xp sp2 computer (would like to make ubuntu the only os)
[00:31] <reaperofpoverty> i have less than half a mb of ram, don't know if that's relevant
[00:32] <reaperofpoverty> I tried to USB boot but none of the options in my boot config menu worked, so i tried the cd
[00:32] <reaperofpoverty> that stuck at the screen with five dots for an hour before i shut it off - tried it again and same thing
[00:32] <reaperofpoverty> now i'm trying the alternate CD and it's not able to autoconfigure my dhcp. i have no idea what that means
[00:34] <mbergamo> phillw: I got it to work! FINALLY!
[00:36] <Cheri703> reaperofpoverty: what exactly is the message saying?
[00:36] <Cheri703> also, it sounds like it's an older computer, yes?
[00:36] <reaperofpoverty> yes, that's correct
[00:36] <reaperofpoverty> pentium 4 from 2002
[00:36] <reaperofpoverty> one moment, duplicating the error
[00:37] <Cheri703> ok, when you use the normal cd, did you see the screen where at the bottom it shows a keyboard and a circle with a guy in it?
[00:37] <reaperofpoverty> yes, i did
[00:37] <reaperofpoverty> after that it went to the screen with the five patterning dots
[00:37] <reaperofpoverty> that's where it hung
[00:37] <reaperofpoverty> i'm on the alternate cd now, and i have the error
[00:37] <Cheri703> ok, are you wanting a live session at all or just to go ahead and install?
[00:37] <Cheri703> ok what is the error?
[00:38] <reaperofpoverty> Network autoconfiguration failed. Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol. Alternatively, the DHCP server may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly
[00:38] <reaperofpoverty> i would rather just go ahead and install
[00:38] <Cheri703> ok, what options do you have on the dhcp error?
[00:38] <reaperofpoverty> options it gives me: retry network autoconfiguration, retray network autoconfiguration with a DHCP hostname, configure network manually, or do not configure the network at this time
[00:39] <Cheri703> if you choose either of the last two you should be ok, do you know what your network info is?
[00:39] <reaperofpoverty> no
[00:39] <Cheri703> OR you could try something with the normal cd real quick
[00:39] <Cheri703> ok
[00:39] <reaperofpoverty> sure
[00:39] <reaperofpoverty> want me to pop in the normal cd again?
[00:39] <Cheri703> yeah
[00:39] <reaperofpoverty> k, one sec
[00:39] <Cheri703> and when you get to the screen with that keyboard, hit enter or something on the keyboard
[00:40] <reaperofpoverty> okay
[00:40] <Cheri703> and let me know what happens
[00:41] <reaperofpoverty> okay
[00:41] <reaperofpoverty> popped up a screen asking me to select my language
[00:41] <reaperofpoverty> and function keys mapped to help, language, keymap, modes, accessibility, other options
[00:41] <Cheri703> ok, do that, then you should have a "try / install / other stuff"
[00:41] <reaperofpoverty> yeah
[00:41] <Cheri703> choose install
[00:41] <Cheri703> and see what happens
[00:42] <reaperofpoverty> try without installing, install, check for defects, test memory, boot from first hard disk
[00:42] <reaperofpoverty> k
[00:42] <reaperofpoverty> now at a black screen with a flashing cursor in the top left
[00:42] <reaperofpoverty> i can hear the disk spinning in the drive
[00:42] <Cheri703> if it tries to go straight to live session (which I think some of these have been doing lately), your ram might not be sufficient, so it might bog down
[00:42] <Cheri703> ok, give it a few minutes, we'll see
[00:43] <Cheri703> also: get more RAM! :)
[00:43] <reaperofpoverty> yeah, i know. ={
[00:44] <Cheri703> newegg.com has good prices if you're in the US
[00:44] <reaperofpoverty> oh hey
[00:44] <Cheri703> ?
[00:44] <reaperofpoverty> popped up to the purple screen with a cursor
[00:44] <reaperofpoverty> the normal ubuntu background, i mean
[00:44] <Cheri703> ok
[00:44] <Cheri703> is this further than you had gotten previously?
[00:44] <aluex> help needed
[00:44] <reaperofpoverty> cursor moves, the top bar (status bar? whatever that is) is loading
[00:44] <reaperofpoverty> yes
[00:44] <Cheri703> ok, awesome
[00:44] <aluex> GLib-WARNING **: g_set_prgname() called multiple times
[00:44] <reaperofpoverty> previously it hung at the dots
[00:45] <reaperofpoverty> this is my second time installing 10.10 and my third installing ubuntu
[00:45] <reaperofpoverty> i will probably be able to take it from here
[00:45] <reaperofpoverty> i'll tell you if i have any other problems
[00:45] <Cheri703> ok, great!
[00:45] <Cheri703> have fun :)
[00:45] <reaperofpoverty> thank you so much!
[00:45] <reaperofpoverty> m'wah
[00:45] <Cheri703> sure, I ran into that with mine before
[00:45] <aluex> when i try to start firefox and got this
[00:46] <aluex> anyone,please
[00:47] <aveilleux> what, aleux?
[00:47] <aluex> when i try to start firefox i got this:
[00:48] <aluex> GLib-WARNING **: g_set_prgname() called multiple times
[00:48] <aveilleux> Oh,
[00:48] <aluex> and then nothing appear
[00:48] <aveilleux> aleux: In Terminal run rm -r ~/.mozilla
[00:48] <aluex> oh
[00:51] <aluex> not solved
[00:51] <aveilleux> Hm
[00:51] <pedro3005> aluex, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/501670/comments/14
[00:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 501670 in glib2.0 (Debian) (and 1 other project) "g_set_prgname() called multiple times (affects: 27) (dups: 2) (heat: 116)" [Unknown,Unknown]
[01:03] <trhisdone> what is a good backup program
[01:06] <aluex> thx,it's solved
[01:06] <aveilleux> trhisdone: rsync
[01:06] <Cheri703> aveilleux: someone in my LoCo room was just talking about rsync :)
[01:08] <aluex> but fx still doesn't appear either
[01:09] <reaperofpoverty> hey
[01:09] <reaperofpoverty> Cheri703: you still here?
[01:09] <Cheri703> yep
[01:09] <reaperofpoverty> spoke too soon, i guess
[01:09] <aluex> this time it appears nothing and quit quickly
[01:10] <reaperofpoverty> it went through a few more dialog boxes of options, and after the one about partitioning (where I instructed it to make it all one partition), it's been at the desktop screen with the cursor and no dialog box
[01:10] <aluex> whitout output
[01:10] <reaperofpoverty> that's been for twenty minutes or so
[01:10] <Cheri703> hmm...ok, did you get a confirmation about the partitioning? like to go ahead and do it?
[01:11] <Cheri703> also were there multiple partitions before? and how big is the hdd?
[01:12] <reaperofpoverty> i didn't receive any confirmation that it was doing it, but I did tell it to do it - not sure what you're asking. it had the c:/ drive and a 4-5 gb backup drive, i think those were separate partitions. The HDD is 60gb, i think
[01:12] <reaperofpoverty> hmm
[01:12] <reaperofpoverty> mouse no longer moves cursor
[01:13] <Cheri703> well, there is a page where it has multiple options, then after that a page to confirm that you want to dedicate the whole hdd, did you get the confirmation page?
[01:13] <reaperofpoverty> hmmm
[01:13] <reaperofpoverty> not sure
[01:13] <Cheri703> *at least I do, but I sometimes do wonky partitioning, so maybe not for yours
[01:13] <reaperofpoverty> i don't remember it, but i may have
[01:13] <reaperofpoverty> so yeah, it appears to have totally locked up
[01:13] <Cheri703> :( sorry
[01:13] <reaperofpoverty> ctrl+alt+f1 does nothing
[01:13] <reaperofpoverty> cursor doesn't move
[01:14] <reaperofpoverty> should i restart with normal disk or alterntate?
[01:14] <Cheri703> it's the ram again I'd bet...just having trouble handling it
[01:14] <Cheri703> uhm, try alternate? and I can help you get through the dhcp error
[01:14] <Cheri703> just was thinking it'd be easier to do normal if possible
[01:15] <reaperofpoverty> i have some extra ram, it should be fine, but the motherboard isn't configured to accept it. we're not sure if the stick of ram works, but yeah. i can add more ram, but not until i get this installed. =\
[01:15] <reaperofpoverty> booting from alt now
[01:15] <aluex> help..my fx is broken
[01:15] <Cheri703> :( ok
[01:16] <Cheri703> aluex: unfortunately that is outside of my range of knowledge
[01:16] <aluex> sorry..
[01:17] <aluex> this time it quit quickly without output
[01:17] <reaperofpoverty> alright, i'm at a screen similar to last time: install ubuntu, check disk for defects, test memory, boot from first hard disk, rescue a broken system. mapped to the function keys are help, language, keymap, modes, accessibility, other options
[01:17] <Cheri703> ok, install
[01:18] <reaperofpoverty> went through language/keymap config, it's now scanning cd-rom
[01:18] <reaperofpoverty> now loading additional components
[01:18] <UndiFineD> aluex, can you start firefox in safe-mode ?
[01:18] <Cheri703> ok
[01:18] <aluex> maybe arm platform has sth to do with the problem
[01:18] <reaperofpoverty> now detecting network hardware. now configuring the network
[01:19] <UndiFineD> firefox %u -- safe-mode
[01:19] <UndiFineD> firefox %u --safe-mode
[01:19] <reaperofpoverty> okay. it's' configuring the network, it's asking for the hostname. that's whatever I want, right?
[01:19] <Cheri703> yeah
[01:20] <aluex> UndiFineD, nothing appear
[01:20] <reaperofpoverty> huh. it appears to be working this time. skipped right through. idk what the problem was las ttime
[01:20] <aluex> without output
[01:20] <aluex> i m on arm platform
[01:20]  * UndiFineD goes searching for GLib-WARNING **: g_set_prgname()
[01:20] <Cheri703> ok, awesome :)
[01:21] <Cheri703> UndiFineD:
[01:21] <UndiFineD> known issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1349192
[01:21] <Cheri703> [19:51] <pedro3005> aluex, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/501670/comments/14
[01:21] <Cheri703> [19:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 501670 in glib2.0 (Debian) (and 1 other project) "g_set_prgname() called multiple times (affects: 27) (dups: 2) (heat: 116)" [Unknown,Unknown]
[01:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 501670 in glib2.0 (Debian) (and 1 other project) "g_set_prgname() called multiple times (affects: 27) (dups: 2) (heat: 116)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501670
[01:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 501670 in glib2.0 (Debian) (and 1 other project) "g_set_prgname() called multiple times (affects: 27) (dups: 2) (heat: 116)" [Unknown,Unknown]
[01:21] <reaperofpoverty> checked additional components, started up the partitioner (scanned disks)
[01:21] <reaperofpoverty> okay, now i'm at some options for partitioning method
[01:21] <Cheri703> ok
[01:21] <aluex> Cheri703, that is solved
[01:22] <Cheri703> k, sorry
[01:22] <aluex> i forced the version as the comment said
[01:22] <aluex> : )
[01:22] <reaperofpoverty> options: guided - resize SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #5 (sda) and use freed space OR guided - use entire partition, SCSI1 (0,0,0) partition #5 (sda) OR guided - use entire disk OR guided - use entire disk and set up LVM OR guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM OR manual
[01:22] <reaperofpoverty> do i want guided - use entire disk?
[01:23] <aluex> but fx is still not willing to appear
[01:23] <Cheri703> do guided use entire disk
[01:23] <UndiFineD> aluex, I suggest you do as said in the forum and rename your .mozilla directory to something else, like mozilla.bak
[01:23] <reaperofpoverty> alright, it's at a 'select disk to partition', selecting the only option
[01:24] <Cheri703> k
[01:24] <aluex> i ve tried that.. remving the whole folder
[01:24]  * aluex feels sorry looking at fx icon
[01:24] <pedro3005> aluex, reinstall firefox
[01:24] <reaperofpoverty> now it's at a confirmation screen - it says the partition tables of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) will be changed, and partition #1 of it will be formatted as ext4 and partition #5 of it will be formatted as swap
[01:25] <reaperofpoverty> it wants to know if i want to write the changes to disks
[01:25] <Cheri703> go for it :)
[01:25] <aluex> pedro3005, meet u again. ;)
[01:26] <reaperofpoverty> alllllriiiight! it's installing the base system
[01:26]  * reaperofpoverty fingers crossed
[01:26] <UndiFineD> apt-get --purge firefox && apt-get update && apt-get install firefox
[01:26] <Cheri703> woo!
[01:30] <aluex> sorry
[01:30] <aluex> nothing improved
[01:30] <aluex> :(
[01:32] <UndiFineD> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8838107&postcount=21
[01:32] <UndiFineD> do you have prism installed ?
[01:34] <aluex> aha,gdb says fx returns with code01
[01:34] <UndiFineD> there are loads of tips in that forum
[01:35] <UndiFineD> one of them is prism, other says greasemonkey etc, by elimination the .mozilla dir you remove some custom plugins
[01:35] <UndiFineD> others are installed in /usr/sharefirefox
[01:35] <UndiFineD> eh, well you get what i mean
[01:36] <UndiFineD> these plugins seem to break it
[01:36] <reaperofpoverty> just set up my user, pass, etc. appears to be working so far
[01:37] <Cheri703> awesome reaperofpoverty! I'm glad it's working now
[01:37] <aluex> but safe-mode doesnt work either
[01:37] <reaperofpoverty> not completely sure it will work - after all, have to make sure the DE is working
[01:37] <reaperofpoverty> but the cli side of it is working so far
[01:38] <UndiFineD> no aluex you should start up synaptic and remove firefox, and associated plugins
[01:38] <aluex> oh
[01:39] <UndiFineD> then you can check /usr/share/firefox
[01:39] <UndiFineD> to see if there are any leftovers
[01:39] <duanedesign> aluex: you can also start firefox from the Terminal with the command: firefox -P  and create a new profile
[01:40] <UndiFineD> duanedesign, clearly from the forum this is a plugins issue
[01:40] <aluex> i agree
[01:40] <yofel> still, -safe-mode should disable all plugins
[01:41] <duanedesign> UndiFineD: if you create a new profile it should not load the plugins installed on the other profile
[01:41] <aluex> confusing
[01:41] <aluex> firefox -p outputs nothing
[01:41] <duanedesign> capital p
[01:43] <duanedesign> so i guess it is actually Ctrl + Shift + p :)
[01:43] <duanedesign> i mean firefox + Shift + P
[01:43] <aluex> duanedesign, no output either :(
[01:43] <duanedesign> hmm :/
[01:43] <aluex> duanedesign, i didnt catch ur words
[01:44] <duanedesign> aluex:  not important :)
[01:44] <duanedesign> aluex: does it just return again to another prompt?
[01:44] <UndiFineD> plugins are in /usr/share/mozilla/extentions
[01:45] <yofel> er, they're in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[01:45] <aluex> duanedesign, what is prompt?
[01:46] <UndiFineD> yofel, I dont have that
[01:46] <yofel> well, depends if you have anything installed that gets put there
[01:46] <duanedesign> aluex:  duanedesign@duanedesign-laptop:  <--my prompt
[01:47] <aluex> ehm
[01:47] <aluex> yep
[01:47] <UndiFineD> keimpe@head:~$
[01:47] <UndiFineD> my prompt
[01:50] <aluex> duanedesign, as u said
[01:51] <yofel> aluex: what does 'firefox -g' do?
[01:51] <yofel> should start gdb
[01:52] <aluex> ehm, gdb starts
[01:53] <yofel> aluex: ok, then run 'start' and when it stops 'continue'
[01:53] <yofel> in gdb
[01:54] <aluex> Function "main" not defined.
[01:54] <aluex> Make breakpoint pending on future shared library load? (y or [n])
[01:56] <yofel> that's not what I expected... (why wouldn't main be defined??)
[01:58] <aluex> i dont know
[01:58] <aluex> maybe that's the reason?
[01:58] <aluex> excutive file is broken?
[01:59] <aluex> but ive just reinstallled it
[02:00] <aluex> ;(
[02:00] <duanedesign> aluex: can you try this command to see if you have this installed: apt-cache search kde-config-gtk
[02:00] <aveilleux> executable
[02:01] <aluex> aveilleux, i m sorry
[02:01] <yofel> firefox isn't easy to debug, since you pass 3 shell scripts before the actual binary is run :/
[02:02] <aluex> ;(
[02:03] <duanedesign> aluex: looking at some crash reports when it asks - Make breakpoint pending on future shared library load? (y or [n]) - you say n
[02:04] <aluex> duanedesign, no crash report. it exited with code 01
[02:08] <duanedesign> the only other think i can think of is trying to reinstall xulrunner
[02:09] <yofel> I think the recent firefox packages ship their own xulrunner lib
[02:11] <aluex> xulrunner iz not installed yet, duanedesign
[02:11] <yofel> right, since firefox has it's own, hm...
[02:12] <aluex> now i can only use midori
[02:13] <aluex> chromium crashes , too
[02:13]  * aluex feels sorry looking at firefox icon
[02:13] <UndiFineD> I have firefox, chromium, chrome, opera, minefield, midori, links2,
[02:14] <yofel> aluex: just to make sure it's the binary that fails: can you edit '/usr/lib/firefox-VERSION/run-mozilla.sh' (replace VERSION with your version) and add an -x to the first line? '#!/bin/sh -x' and then pastebin the output?
[02:14] <yofel> (output of trying to run firefox from the command line)
[02:14] <aluex> i'lll hava try
[02:15] <Cheri703> reaperofpoverty: everything finish up smoothly?
[02:18] <aluex> yofel, output about what
[02:19] <aluex> the script?
[02:19] <yofel> aluex: if you added -x to run_mozilla.sh and tried running 'firefox' do you get any output?
[02:19] <yofel> (you did save run-mozilla.sh after editing it?)
[02:19] <aluex> yes
[02:20] <aluex> and no output..
[02:20] <yofel> . . .
[02:20] <yofel> aluex: okaaay... can you do the same with /usr/bin/firefox and /usr/lib/firefox-VERSION/firefox ?
[02:21] <aluex> oh,wait for a moment..
[02:24] <aluex> odd...
[02:24] <aluex> very odd
[02:25] <aluex> yofel, /usr/lib/f../firefox seems not a plain text file
[02:26] <yofel> huh? it is here, /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.13pre/firefox-bin is the binary here
[02:27] <aluex> ehm ,but the file fx itself seems not proper
[02:27] <yofel> aluex: ok, can you leave that aside and only edit /usr/bin/firefox?
[02:27] <aluex> ok
[02:27] <aluex> done
[02:28] <yofel> ok, running 'firefox' should give you something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/531497/
[02:29] <aluex> enm, i see it
[02:29] <aluex> seemz right
[02:29] <yofel> can you pastebin that output please?
[02:29] <aluex> ok
[02:37] <aluex> yofel, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/531500/
[02:38] <bobo123> good evening. anyone knows how to set up projects in Code:Blocks?
[02:39] <aluex> i think /usr/lib/../firefox was the reason
[02:39] <bobo123> it gives me lots of errors like "/usr/include/c++/4.4/cwchar:67: error: ‘::mbstate_t’ has not been declared" so I guess there is some build options that I must set or? (the program is normally compiled with jam from commandline, but I had hoped I could use code:blocks instead)
[02:39] <yofel> aluex: why are you running firefox 3.5.3? I can find that in karmic, but even karmic-updates has 3.6.12
[02:39] <aluex> i m using arm platform
[02:40] <yofel> (and it's entirely possible that 3.5.3 has firefox as binary)
[02:40] <yofel> ah...
[02:40] <aluex> and ubuntu.srt.cn is the current source
[02:40] <yofel> right, the updated only show as amd64,i386
[02:40] <aluex> ehm
[02:41] <yofel> aluex: ok, can you try to install a xulrunner package after all? maybe that's missing
[02:41] <aluex> ok.. i m running out of power..
[02:41] <aluex> thx all da same
[02:42] <yofel> sure, sorry I couldn't help more
[02:42] <aluex> :) see u all
[05:39] <_spacer_> ok soo, ive installed ubuntu 10.10 from a cd on my laptop, as a dual boot and i've do not get the option to load windows
[05:40] <_spacer_> any thoughts?
[06:16] <JoeMaverickSett> _spacer_: have you done "sudo update-grub" from you ubuntu?
[07:41] <ttrubuntu> hi all
[07:42] <ttrubuntu> this is my first message on this channel and i am new to linux and also to ubuntu
[07:43] <ttrubuntu> i am facing one problem: unable to logout or restart using the power button. any help?
[07:45] <Cheri703> Well, first of all, welcome :)
[07:46] <Cheri703> are you referring to the physical power button or the one on-screen up at the top?
[07:46] <ttrubuntu> thanks. yes on the screen.. using GUI
[07:47] <Cheri703> ok, when you click it it doesn't do anything, or?
[07:47] <ttrubuntu> i am uisng ubuntu 10.04 and moderately configures desktop using dual boot
[07:48] <Cheri703> ok
[07:48] <ttrubuntu> yes. nothing happes when i click with mouse
[07:49] <Cheri703> ok, if you press and release your power button, does a menu come up on the screen (the physical button)
[07:51] <ttrubuntu> i haven't checked. every time  i am uisng $sudo halt command(after doing a quick search)
[07:52] <Cheri703> ok, if I lightly press my power button I get a "shutdown, restart, suspend, hibernate" menu
[07:52] <ttrubuntu> i will test next time since it may end my current session and
[07:52] <ttrubuntu> shall i do that
[07:52] <ttrubuntu> too?
[07:53] <Cheri703> it shouldn't end your session, you can cancel from there...don't press and hold it
[07:53] <ttrubuntu> yes cheri703
[07:53] <ttrubuntu> i did get the menu and i think that solves the problem
[07:54] <ttrubuntu> thanks. and  my second problem!
[07:54] <Cheri703> ok, great!
[07:54] <Cheri703> I'm not sure why the gui button isn't working, but at least you can access it!
[07:54] <ttrubuntu> ok
[07:54] <Cheri703> pressing ctrl-alt-del *should* also bring up that menu
[07:55] <ttrubuntu> ok. i see. here it is: i have habit of opening og 8-10 tabs in firefox and my ubuntu unable to handle it
[07:56] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[07:56] <ttrubuntu> system hangs and i have to reboot
[07:56] <Cheri703> one more thought on the button topic
[07:56] <ttrubuntu> yes please
[07:56] <Cheri703> right click on it, is "remove from panel" available?
[07:56] <ttrubuntu> CAD is also cool.
[07:57] <ttrubuntu> removed from the panel the way u said
[07:57] <Cheri703> ok, now right click in an empty place, and choose "add to panel"
[07:57] <ttrubuntu> it got removed
[07:58] <Cheri703> you should be able to choose power button (or something similar) from the list
[07:59] <ttrubuntu> yes i did.
[08:00] <Cheri703> ok, now does the button work?
[08:00] <ttrubuntu> but sorry to say: lock scrrn, logout, change user options are missing from this one
[08:00] <nit-wit> ttrubuntu,  runn killall gnome-panel
[08:00] <Cheri703> thanks nit-wit
[08:01] <nit-wit> Cheri703,  no problem I just koined so I can't tell whats up
[08:01] <nit-wit> Che
[08:01] <Cheri703> power button didn't do anything when clicked
[08:01] <Cheri703> I had them remove it and (attempt) to replace it...
[08:01] <ttrubuntu> nit-wit : how to kill all panel>
[08:01] <nit-wit> Cheri703,   "joined
[08:02] <nit-wit> ttrubuntu,  it just kills it then it comes back
[08:02] <ttrubuntu> is it in console>
[08:02] <ttrubuntu> ?
[08:02] <nit-wit> ttru yeah in a termonal
[08:04] <nit-wit> I have my screen go squirly in Maverick a lot and also run nautilus -q for that
[08:04] <ttrubuntu> i did but power button doesn't have  lock screen, logout, change user options
[08:06] <nit-wit> ttru
[08:06] <nit-wit> ttrubuntu,  use add to panel logout icon
[08:06] <Cheri703> ahhh, that's the one
[08:07] <Cheri703> sorry ttrubuntu, remove the power button and add that one
[08:07] <JoeMaverickSett> indicator applet session? :D
[08:08] <ttrubuntu> thanks. it's ok now
[08:08] <Cheri703> so it's fully functioning?
[08:08] <nit-wit> yipeeeee
[08:09] <ttrubuntu> not tested. but it should. i will test at the end of this session
[08:10] <ttrubuntu> another problem. usially i open 6-10 tabs in firefox and close one by one when i finish reading. but ubuntu hags several times. i open only max of 4 tabs now. please help
[08:10] <Cheri703> that may be about your hardware ttrubuntu
[08:11] <ttrubuntu> ok. but in the same machine win XP handles
[08:11] <nit-wit> ttru
[08:11] <ttrubuntu> such situation though it fails in many palces
[08:12] <nit-wit> ttrubuntu,  whats your setup how much memory, and do you clear FF
[08:13] <nit-wit> ttrubuntu,  XP is just less of a drain ob the hardware
[08:13] <ttrubuntu> AMD Athlon 1700XP(1.1GHz), 1.2GB RAM, 80 GB HDD
[08:13] <ttrubuntu> i know it is 8 years old
[08:13] <ttrubuntu> !!
[08:15] <nit-wit> ttrubuntu, I don't open a lot of tabs, but if you have pages with lots of scripts running and addblock off it may be difficult for it to run. Do you use noscript?
[08:16] <ttrubuntu> nit-wit: i have no idea about script. i haven't added any scripts myself. i have 3-5 add-ons added to original installation. i have all the updates installed to my machine.
[08:17] <nit-wit> ttrubuntu,  try the addon  noscript it blocks flash and stuff, you can also add toolbar buttons and have a easy persession okay and reverse
[08:17] <ttrubuntu> not-wit: tabs may be avoided. but i am into lot of RSS reading. all the links i open in tabs and and read tabs after some time
[08:18] <Cheri703> ttrubuntu: try google reader
[08:18] <ttrubuntu> ok. thanks. i will do
[08:18] <ttrubuntu> do u use forefox or different?
[08:19] <ttrubuntu> i mean firefox?
[08:19] <nit-wit> ttrubuntu,  FF mainly it is about the safest browser when set up correctly
[08:19] <ttrubuntu> currently i am using in-built akregator
[08:19] <ttrubuntu> ok
[08:20] <ttrubuntu> my last question with the little knowledge i have gained in ubuntu:
[08:20] <nit-wit> ttrubuntu, , I use ghostery, beef taco, noscipt, better privacy, add block for main protection andI have FF set to remeber nothing, after getting the passwords I want in it, with firefox sync
[08:22] <ttrubuntu> can we kill some memory intensive processes to ease memory in ubuntu? back in windows i used to do lot of CAD and " end process"
[08:22] <ttrubuntu> ok
[08:23] <JoeMaverickSett> ttrubuntu: you might want to try this out; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1193567
[08:23] <JoeMaverickSett> optimizing firefox.
[08:24] <nit-wit> JoeMaverickSett,  that is the one good job
[08:24] <ttrubuntu> thanks
[08:24] <ttrubuntu> JoeMaverickSett  ... i will see
[08:24] <JoeMaverickSett> wokie! ;)
[08:24] <nit-wit> JoeMaverickSett, I didn't have that page saved
[08:25] <JoeMaverickSett> nit-wit: ah, what do you mean? you could still see it here.
[08:26] <nit-wit> JoeMaverickSett, the OP is a regular
[08:27] <JoeMaverickSett> nit-wit: sorry, i don't get what you are saying.
[08:27] <nit-wit> JoeMaverickSett, i'll save it for just this sort of occasion. I'm not a real IRC user so I don't know all the tricks yet
[08:33]  * JoeMaverickSett is confused!
[08:33] <Cheri703> JoeMaverickSett: I think he meant that he didn't have it bookmarked for quick reference
[08:34] <JoeMaverickSett> Cheri703: but he could reopen and do it? no?
[08:34] <JoeMaverickSett> Cheri703: btw, hello! :)
[08:34] <Cheri703> yeah, he was saying that he didn't have it as a quick reference previously. I think he's bookmarked it now
[08:34] <Cheri703> and hi :)
[08:34] <JoeMaverickSett> Cheri703: ah, okie. now i get it. :D
[08:34] <JoeMaverickSett> Cheri703: how do you do?
[08:35] <Cheri703> I'm doing ok, you?
[08:35] <JoeMaverickSett> Cheri703: good as always.
[08:35] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[09:21] <blackshell> how do i connect to web server using ssh?
[09:22] <blackshell> anyone?
[12:59] <janhln> Hi all, I'm more a IRC beginner than an ubuntu beginner, but here goes: apt-get python-nevow gives the error:
[12:59] <janhln> Compiling /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/nevow/test/test_newflat.py ...
[12:59] <janhln> Sorry: UnicodeError: ("\\N escapes not supported (can't load unicodedata module)",)
[13:00] <janhln> can't find a working solution for this by google or ubuntuforums...
[13:01] <pedro3005> hi janhln
[13:01] <janhln> hi
[13:01] <pedro3005> It looks as though it's trying to use python 2.4
[13:01] <janhln> aha, remove python2.4?
[13:01] <pedro3005> can you run this for me and tell what it says:
[13:01] <pedro3005> python --version
[13:02] <janhln> Python 2.6.5
[13:03] <pedro3005> janhln, on a terminal, type "python" please
[13:03] <pedro3005> then try to run this python code
[13:03] <pedro3005> import unicodedata
[13:03] <janhln> succeeds without any message
[13:03] <pedro3005> ok
[13:03] <pedro3005> type this:
[13:03] <pedro3005> exit()
[13:04] <pedro3005> please paste the output of
[13:04] <pedro3005> ls /usr/bin | grep python
[13:04] <janhln> this nevow thing (I need it for python-coherence) sees python 2.4 first...?
[13:04] <janhln> dh_python
[13:04] <janhln> python
[13:05] <janhln> python2
[13:05] <janhln> python2.4
[13:05] <janhln> python2.6
[13:05] <janhln> python3.1
[13:05] <pedro3005> it's using python 2.4 for some reason
[13:05] <pedro3005> okay
[13:05] <pedro3005> next time please
[13:05] <pedro3005> !paste | janhln
[13:05] <ubot2> janhln: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[13:05] <pedro3005> But it's okay
[13:05] <janhln> sorry, IRC newby
[13:06] <pedro3005> what we could try to do is symlink python 2.4 to python
[13:06] <pedro3005> I'm not sure that would work but it's worth a shot
[13:06] <pedro3005> first, let's back up python2.4
[13:06] <pedro3005> sudo cp /usr/bin/python2.4 /usr/bin/python2.4.bak
[13:06] <pedro3005> if anything goes wrong we can just restore our back up
[13:07] <janhln> done
[13:08] <pedro3005> ok
[13:08] <pedro3005> now
[13:08] <pedro3005> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/python2.4
[13:10] <janhln> ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/bin/python2.4': File exists
[13:10] <pedro3005> oh
[13:10] <pedro3005> sudo rm /usr/bin/python2.4
[13:10] <pedro3005> (don't worry, we have the back up)
[13:11] <pedro3005> and then run the command again
[13:13] <janhln> should I try the apt-get again :-)
[13:13] <pedro3005> janhln, did you run the ln command again?
[13:14] <janhln> yes, sorry
[13:14] <pedro3005> ok
[13:14] <pedro3005> now do this
[13:14] <pedro3005> python2.4
[13:14] <pedro3005> it'll open, hopefully, a python shell
[13:14] <pedro3005> tell me which version it says it is
[13:14] <janhln> 2.6.5
[13:14] <pedro3005> ok
[13:14] <pedro3005> exit()
[13:14] <pedro3005> and try the apt-get command again
[13:14] <janhln> apt-get nevow also works
[13:15] <pedro3005> :)
[13:15] <janhln> :-D
[13:16] <janhln> great, I'm going to remember this channel :-) googled for about 2 hours for this, couldn't find any similar user story :-(, thx alot pedro3005
[13:16] <pedro3005> no problem janhln
[13:22] <SPooN> how do you run an exe in maverick?
[13:24] <pedro3005> SPooN, well
[13:24] <pedro3005> exe files are made for Windows
[13:24] <pedro3005> they don't run natively on linux
[13:25] <SPooN> what about a .i836?
[13:25] <pedro3005> you can take a look at wine though
[13:25] <pedro3005> huh, never heard of that
[13:26] <SPooN> I downloaded a linux/mac version of a game, just having issues figuring out how to install/run it
[13:26] <pedro3005> when you downloaded it, what format did it come as?
[13:27] <SPooN> it was a .zip
[13:28] <SPooN> I downloaded through Transmission
[13:28] <pedro3005> and inside the .zip
[13:28] <SPooN> pedro2005: a lot of files...
[13:28] <SPooN> pedro3005*
[13:28] <pedro3005> SPooN, do this:
[13:29] <pedro3005> ls /wherever/the/folder/is
[13:30] <SPooN> Pedro3005; I get a no such file or dir error
[13:30] <SPooN> even when trying to just ls /desktop
[13:30] <pedro3005> SPooN, ~/Desktop
[13:31] <SPooN> bash: /home/alexandre/Desktop: is a directory
[13:31] <pedro3005> well, yes
[13:31] <pedro3005> ls ~/Desktop/folder/you/want
[13:31] <SPooN> even if it isn't save to desktop?
[13:32] <pedro3005> well, no
[13:32] <pedro3005> SPooN, where is it?
[13:32] <SPooN> I just moved it to desktop.
[13:32] <SPooN> return of ls command:
[13:32] <SPooN> GamersHell.url  GH3D.txt  UrbanTerror  UrbanTerror_41_FULL.zip
[13:32] <pedro3005> ok
[13:33] <pedro3005> do this
[13:33] <pedro3005> wait
[13:33] <pedro3005> you're trying to run UrbanTerror?
[13:33] <SPooN> yea.
[13:33] <pedro3005> ok
[13:33] <pedro3005> do this
[13:33] <pedro3005> ls ~/Desktop/UrbanTerror
[13:35] <SPooN> ok... I get the smae thing as I copy pastedd earlier
[13:35] <SPooN> same
[13:36] <pedro3005> well, you have a file .i386
[13:36] <pedro3005> right?
[13:36] <SPooN> yes.
[13:36] <pedro3005> where is that file?
[13:36] <SPooN> Desktop/UrbanTerror/UrbanTerror/ioUrTded.i386
[13:36] <pedro3005> alright
[13:36] <pedro3005> chmod +x ~/Desktop/UrbanTerror/UrbanTerror/ioUrTded.i386
[13:37] <pedro3005> then just double click the file
[13:38] <SPooN> not doing anything...
[13:39] <pedro3005> isn't there a file named ioUrbanTerror.i386 ?
[13:39] <SPooN> yes
[13:39] <pedro3005> double click that
[13:39] <SPooN> Could not display "/home/alexandre/Desktop/Urba...rbanTerror/ioUrbanTerror.i386".
[13:39] <SPooN> There is no application installed for executable files
[13:40] <pedro3005> huh
[13:40] <pedro3005> ok
[13:40] <pedro3005> do this
[13:40] <pedro3005> cd ~/Desktop/UrbanTerror/UrbanTerror
[13:40] <pedro3005> and then
[13:40] <pedro3005> ./ioUrbanTerror.i386
[13:41] <SPooN> ?
[13:41] <pedro3005> run these things on a terminal
[13:41] <SPooN> ./ioUrbanTerror.i386
[13:41] <SPooN> whoops
[13:42] <SPooN> bash: ./ioUrbanTerror.i386: Permission denied
[13:42] <pedro3005> chmod +x ioUrbanTerror.i386
[13:42] <pedro3005> then try it again
[13:43] <SPooN> http://pastebin.com/4WTzL65b
[13:44] <SPooN> pedro3005: long error
[13:45] <pedro3005> SPooN, what is your graphics card?
[13:46] <SPooN> uhm how do I find that using Maverick?
[13:46] <pedro3005> SPooN, sudo lspci
[13:46] <pedro3005> paste the whole thing please
[13:47] <SPooN> should I stay in cd ~/Desktop/UrbanTerror/UrbanTerror?
[13:47] <SPooN> or cd out
[13:47] <pedro3005> doesn't matter
[13:47] <bioterror> hmmm
[13:47] <bioterror> no sound icon on notification area
[13:48] <bioterror> mystic ubuntu :D
[13:48] <pedro3005> bioterror, that's why I won't use GNOME
[13:48] <SPooN> pedro3005: http://pastebin.com/RZXdP9Se
[13:49] <pedro3005> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 18)
[13:50] <pedro3005> I'm not sure if that supports the game you want
[13:50] <SPooN> ok
[13:51] <pedro3005> SPooN, you could try going to System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers
[13:51] <pedro3005> see if it indicates any available drivers there
[13:51] <SPooN> pedro3005: additional drivers?
[13:52] <pedro3005> yeah
[13:52] <SPooN> all there is is the broadcom-STA that i'm using
[13:52] <pedro3005> hm
[13:52] <pedro3005> are you sure your computer supports 3D games?
[13:53] <SPooN> not entirely
[13:54] <SPooN> VID: NVidia or ATI card with 128MB RAM
[13:54] <SPooN> thats what it wants
[13:54] <pedro3005> yup
[13:58] <SPooN> ohh well
[14:01] <SPooN> its too bad there aren't many games for linux
[14:01] <pedro3005> yeah
[14:01] <pedro3005> I liked one called sauerbraten
[14:02] <pedro3005> but I don't play games anymore
[14:02] <bioterror> you can play with consoles like ps3 or wii or even xbox360 and NDS ;)
[14:02]  * JoeMaverickSett is addicted to Chromium B.S.U :D
[14:03] <JoeMaverickSett> +1 bioterror ;D
[14:03] <nUboon2Age> JoeMaverickSett: what does the 'B.S.U. stand for?"
[14:03] <pedro3005> JoeMaverickSett, I don't use Chromium because I couldn't get middle click scrolling to work
[14:04] <JoeMaverickSett> nUboon2Age: no idea.
[14:04] <JoeMaverickSett> pedro3005: it's a game. :)
[14:04] <bioterror> it's old game
[14:04] <bioterror> I remember it from the 90äs
[14:04] <nUboon2Age> JoeMaverickSett: so are you just talking about the web browser?
[14:04] <bioterror> 's
[14:04] <bioterror> no
[14:04] <bioterror> :D
[14:04] <pedro3005> JoeMaverickSett, ohh
[14:04]  * pedro3005 fails
[14:04] <JoeMaverickSett> nUboon2Age: it's a game.
[14:04] <bioterror> chromium - fast paced, arcade-style, scrolling space shooter
[14:05] <nUboon2Age> oh ty JoeMaverickSett
[14:05] <JoeMaverickSett> btw, you can install it from the software center.
[14:05] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: +1 again. :P
[14:05] <bioterror> that software center is horrible
[14:05] <bioterror> installing something from it :D
[14:05] <pedro3005> clyde ftw
[14:05] <bioterror> I just see fetching 32"
[14:05] <pedro3005> :D
[14:05] <bioterror> 32%
[14:06] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror == fail! :P
[14:06] <bioterror> ha
[14:06] <bioterror> I only fail at life
[14:06] <JoeMaverickSett> http://twitpic.com/36thug/full <<-- what i was talking about. ;)
[14:06] <pedro3005> :
[14:06] <pedro3005> :( *
[14:23] <bioterror> just remembered that back in the 90's there was like only XBill to play :D
[15:01] <SPooN> is there a way to delete locked files?
[15:02] <hobgoblin> SPooN: as root - either in a terminal with rm or you could use filemanager as root
[15:03] <hobgoblin> in ubuntu = gksudo nautilus
[15:04] <SPooN> where is filemanager?
[15:06] <hobgoblin> you would need to run it is root - so do Alt+F2 then the command I gave above - it will want password
[15:06] <aveilleux> SPooN: You access root permissions by using the command "gksudo nautilus". "File Manager" is a generic name for any program that enables the graphical organization of files,; the file manager in Ubuntu is Nautilus.
[15:07] <SPooN> ok
[15:08] <hobgoblin> the assumption is that you are using ubuntu
[15:08] <SPooN> maverick ubuntu
[15:08] <hobgoblin> if though you are not the first user or have root rights then you won't be removing the file
[15:22] <hobgoblin> hi nothingspecial
[15:39] <Mohan_chml> wb hobgoblin =]
[15:40] <hobgoblin> hi Mohan_chml
[15:41] <Mohan_chml> brb hobgoblin. Dinner :)
[15:48] <segwaypirate> Who knows how to disable the startup sound in Ubuntu 10.04.1
[15:48] <segwaypirate> ?
[15:49] <aveilleux> segwaypirate: Look in Accessories > Startup Programs, there's a program in there that controls it. Disable that.
[15:49] <segwaypirate> thank you
[15:49] <geirha> For the login screen, System -> Administration -> Login screen
[15:49] <geirha> For the sound when you log in, System -> Preferences -> Sound
[16:54] <kosaidpo> guys anyone using skpye here
[17:01] <geekosopher> !anyone | kosaidpo
[17:01] <ubot2> kosaidpo: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[17:01] <kosaidpo> geekosopher: hello
[17:02] <geekosopher> kosaidpo: hi
[17:02] <kosaidpo> is there any wordaround to fix the voice issue using gprs connection
[17:02] <kosaidpo> imean workaroud*
[17:16] <geekosopher> kosaidpo: does your problem resemble any of those listed here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+questions?field.search_text=skype+voice&field.sort=RELEVANCY&field.sort-empty-marker=1&field.actions.search=Search&field.language=en&field.language=gu&field.language=hi&field.language-empty-marker=1&field.status=SOLVED&field.status-empty-marker=1
[18:57] <sampiale> hello
[19:01] <suprengr> sampiale: boo!
[20:41] <Forer> hey, I have folder and inside is a .conf file I want to edit, what are the ways of doing that again?
[20:42] <Forer> pop open a terminal and go to the folder and change permissions is one I can think of offhand
[20:42] <bioterror> what folder which file and where
[20:42] <hobgoblin> Forer: if it is not in /home then edit as root
[20:42] <Forer> well I'm trying to get kismet up, after installing it I'm running through kismet.conf and it's set to root accessible only it seems
[20:43] <Forer> "could not save file /etc/kismet/kismet.conf"
[20:43] <bioterror> sudo nano /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[20:44] <Forer> that'll work thanks
[21:16] <salvo> anyone have experience setting up RAID1?
[21:20] <salvo> I currently have 2 2TB WDEARS drives. One has about 600Gb of data on it (NTFS) and I am currently copying that data to a the other 2TB properly 4k aligned ext4 drive.
[21:20] <salvo> after it is done copying I am going to align and format the NTFS to ext4
[21:21] <salvo> then I would like to setup a RAID1
[21:21] <salvo> without losing any data
[21:24] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/RAID1%2BLVM
[21:25] <salvo> lol I just found that before you posted
[21:26] <salvo> although, I don't want LVM
[21:26] <salvo> so I just run the RAID commands listed?
[21:28] <salvo> or LVM is what I should use
[21:30] <bioterror> I think you should go with the LVM
[21:33] <salvo> ok, so since I already have files on one of the drives, it seems if I follow the steps in the guide I'll have to reformat which I don't want to do. Once I have the drives formated to ext4 with one drive full of data and the other blank, it is still possible to setup RAID1 without losing any data correct?
[21:34] <bioterror> I've only build raids with solaris and FreeBSD
[21:34] <bioterror> never with linux
[21:35] <bioterror> and I've owned hw raid 5 systems
[21:36] <deejoe> bioterror: you talking software raid for solaris and FreeBSD?
[21:36] <salvo> I do have an option in my BIOS to setup RAID, should I use that?
[21:36] <bioterror> yes
[21:37] <bioterror> salvo, I would suggest to use software raid
[21:37] <salvo> ok
[21:37] <bioterror> becouse if your computer gets messed up, you might lose the data
[21:38] <bioterror> with software raid you're bounded to bIOS
[21:41] <salvo> the help page says it is specific to Ubuntu versions 7.04, 8.04, 9.04....
[21:41] <salvo> I am running 10.10
[21:41] <salvo> does it matter?
[21:43] <bioterror> I think nothing have not changed since 9.04
[21:43] <bioterror> but I'm off to bed, laters
[21:44] <salvo> k
[22:07] <karthick87> !quit Bye.....!
[22:07] <ubot2> Factoid 'quit Bye.....!' not found