[14:29] <slyon> didrocks: jamespage: joalif: sarnold: pre-MIR meeting ping
[14:29] <slyon> Christian is out today and asked me to take over, so I'll run today's meeting again :)
[14:29] <joalif> hey slyon
[14:30] <didrocks> hey slyon
[14:31] <slyon> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[14:31] <slyon> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:31] <slyon> we'd didn't have any formal action items last week.
[14:31] <slyon> but how is the nullboot MIR progressing, joalif ?
[14:32] <joalif> slyon: just pasted my review, it's ok but needs security review
[14:32] <slyon> nice, thank you!
[14:32] <sarnold> good morning
[14:32] <slyon> #topic current component mismatches
[14:32] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:33] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:33] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:33] <slyon> non-proposed looks rather clean. I created a stub bug for z3, which is in foundation's backlog
[14:33] <sarnold> requests -> python-charset-normalizer feels new
[14:34] <slyon> sarnold: ACK. we had it last week.
[14:34] <sarnold> licensecheck -> libobject-pad-perl feels new too
[14:34] <sarnold> d'oh
[14:34] <slyon> its shared duty between foundations and server, I might find some time to investigate that, or maybe cpaelzer can.
[14:35] <slyon> wrt licensecheck -> lib*-perl and sphinx -> lib*-perl:
[14:35] <slyon> i investigated that. its the usual start of new cycle pulling in of new -perl dependencies.
[14:35] <slyon> but all are maintained by Debians perl team and usually in a good shape
[14:35] <slyon> I created a (combined) stub bug report about it, so maybe we can handle them all at once
[14:36] <sarnold> nice nice
[14:37] <slyon> I also had a look at mutt vs gsasl. The SASL library was changed due to a licensing conflict and I'm currently consulting the team of what would be the best way forward. Most probably we need to MIR gsasl in addition to the existing SASL library
[14:37] <slyon> ruby-xmlrpc vs ruby-webrick is server, so maybe cpaelzer can investigate once he's back
[14:37] <sarnold> the licenses, they give, they take
[14:38] <slyon> jaraco.text vs jaraco.context is openstack, so for jamespage to have a look at
[14:38] <sarnold> I'm surprised ruby-xmlrpc is in main, but in focal libruby2.7 drags it around to everything..
[14:38] <slyon> sarnold: yeah... initially I just wanted to revert that change, but after some consultation this doesn't sound like a good idea.
[14:39] <slyon> we also have gvfs vs libsoup3 – didrocks did you have a chance to investigate that?
[14:39] <didrocks> slyon: it’s a real one, soname transition. However libsoup3 depends on sysprof right now which is uneeded
[14:39] <didrocks> so, the goal is for jbicha to fix this in Debian
[14:40] <didrocks> (assigned to him)
[14:40] <slyon> ok nice!
[14:40] <didrocks> I guess status is correct, no? there is a MIR bug, set as incomplete and assigned
[14:40] <didrocks> oh interesting, it’s not picked up
[14:40] <slyon> it doesn't show up in the report... did you subscribe ~ubuntu-mir ?
[14:40] <didrocks> I will check
[14:40] <slyon> thanks
[14:41] <didrocks> I thought I did, but maybe not clicked strongly enough :)
[14:41] <slyon> hehe
[14:41] <sarnold> hehehe
[14:41] <slyon> #topic New MIRs
[14:41] <slyon> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[14:41] <slyon> we have a bunch of new MIRs for review
[14:41] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:41] <slyon> bug #1971738
[14:42] <slyon> bug 1971973
[14:42] <slyon> bug 1971767
[14:42] <slyon> bug 1971739
[14:42] <didrocks> I guess I can’t hide from gnome-text-editor. I can try taking iwd as well
[14:42] <slyon> I'd volunteer to do the iwd review, as I've been involved with that transition a bit
[14:43] <slyon> ok. didrocks: gnome-text-editor
[14:43] <slyon> slyon: iwd
[14:43] <didrocks> oh, forget I told that, feel free to tak iwd :p
[14:43] <slyon> joalif: do you have capacity to take one as well?
[14:43] <joalif> i can take the libfreeaptx or the other one
[14:43] <joalif> i don't mind
[14:44] <slyon> ok joalif: libfreeaptx
[14:44] <slyon> and I guess we'll leave ell for cpaelzer
[14:44] <slyon> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:44] <didrocks> sounds good, if he can’t, I will take it next week
[14:44] <didrocks> I see seb is spamming us with MIRs :p
[14:44] <slyon> thank you!
[14:44] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:44] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:45] <slyon> All I see here are my lib*-perl stub bug reports.
[14:45] <slyon> And libqtr-glib; didrocks did you find some time to look at that?
[14:46] <didrocks> sorry, I missed that one, will do this week
[14:46] <slyon> thank you
[14:46] <didrocks> my goal is to ping seb/jbicha to get news
[14:46] <didrocks> but they were in the sprint
[14:46] <didrocks> so… hard :)
[14:46] <slyon> yes that'd be great
[14:47] <sarnold> :)
[14:47] <slyon> indeed
[14:47] <slyon> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[14:47] <slyon> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[14:47] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:47] <slyon> I see no changes here.
[14:47] <sarnold> I started in on telegraf last night and I've got some panics that are stopping the build
[14:47] <slyon> do you have any news for us sarnold ?
[14:48] <sarnold> I haven't invested yet, it failed over night :( I'll probably need help if these are in the tests, as I think at the moment
[14:48] <sarnold> ok      github.com/influxdata/telegraf/plugins/outputs/influxdb_v2      0.020s
[14:48] <sarnold> panic: runtime error: invalid memory address or nil pointer dereference
[14:48] <sarnold> [signal SIGSEGV: segmentation violation code=0x1 addr=0x18 pc=0x971eb1]
[14:48] <sarnold> etc
[14:49] <slyon> ok. I think it would be best to reach out to sergiodj directly if you have any questions about that
[14:49] <sarnold> thanks
[14:49] <slyon> #topic Any other business?
[14:49] <sarnold> none here
[14:49] <didrocks> nothing for me
[14:49] <joalif> none
[14:50] <slyon> cool, I'll assign the new MIRs to us as agreed upon above
[14:50] <slyon> other than that, we're done :)
[14:50] <slyon> #endmeeting
[14:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 14:50:24 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-05-10-14.31.moin.txt
[14:50] <slyon> thank you all!
[14:50] <sarnold> thanks slyon, all :)
[14:50] <joalif> thanks slyon, all o/
[14:50] <didrocks> thanks!
[14:53] <sergiodj> sarnold: hey, I can take a look at telegraf later today and let you know.  it definitely should build fine
[18:39] <sarnold> sergiodj: woot, thanks :)
[18:39] <sergiodj> :)


[19:06] <christel> AlanBell, Pici, funkyHat, tsimpson: i've updated rbelem's cloak to reflet a change to his pdpc donor level (it was changed from ubuntu/member/pdpc.professional.rbelem to ubuntu/member/pdpc.bronze.rbelem)
[19:06] <christel> just fyi
[19:06] <Pici> thanks


[10:36] <hallino1> Hello all
[20:23] <daker> cjohnston: mhall119 can you please take a look this, i want to merge it ASAP https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/loco-team-portal/fix.616547/+merge/107553


[06:13] <lilstevie> persia: you around?
[08:36] <persia> lilstevie: Am now.
[08:39] <lilstevie> persia: I am just looking at building kpkgs
[08:39] <lilstevie> and building one for the transformer
[08:43] <persia> I usually recommend starting with https://wiki.linaro.org/Resources/HowTo/PackageYourOwnKernel
[08:44] <persia> jcrigby has a fairly flexible packaging branch that you can merge to get things working.
[08:45] <lilstevie> ok
[08:45] <persia> Take care to look through it, and make sure that you've set the flavour correctly in all the places it appears (reading the build log the first couple times should highlight some obvious ones, and running dpkg --info on the result packages will show most other bits that have issues.
[08:46] <lilstevie> cool
[08:46] <lilstevie> :)
[08:49] <persia> jcrigby is usually around on this channel: I'd recommend trying to catch him in your morning though, given timezones.
[08:50] <persia> Or I'm happy to look at things :)
[08:52] <lilstevie> :)
[08:52] <lilstevie> well I am just cloning into a seperate folder from my actively used directory so that it doesn't get messed up :)
[08:53] <lilstevie> persia: things are coming together nicely though :)
[08:59] <persia> Excellent!
[09:13] <lilstevie> persia: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1191141 && http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1072-ubuntu-on-the-transformer/ <-- :0
[09:13] <lilstevie> same release
[09:13] <lilstevie> :p
[09:16] <persia> Firstly, I'll rcommend explicitly listing the license for that code, indicating what folk who get it from you can do with it.
[09:17] <persia> Ideally, you'll pick something that we can put in Ubuntu: I'd really like to be able to generate an image for that fairly easily, so we can maybe include it in the next release.
[09:18] <lilstevie> persia: there is no licence available for nvflash
[09:18] <persia> There is a license, but it doesn't permit redistribution.
[09:18] <persia> But you want to express a license for *your* code.
[09:20] <lilstevie> in that pack the only code of mine is 1 line in the kernel which changes the behaviour of a button on the keyboard dock
[09:20] <persia> Also, you reference a PPA: do you especially want a PPA, or should we just put it in Ubuntu proper?
[09:20] <persia> Ah, heh, for one line of code, if you don't care, then just file a bug :)
[09:21] <lilstevie> heh
[09:21] <lilstevie> most of this took linux nicely just needed tweaks to configs
[09:22] <lilstevie> well putting in ubuntu proper overall would work, just in the mean time for bt and wifi fixes
[09:22] <lilstevie> currently bluetooth works but I want it to be a package thus using ppa, and wifi, well that is going to be an active piece of development
[09:28] <persia> If a package can *exist* (even buggy) and be uploaded by 11th August, we can get it included in oneiric, and keep fixing bugs until sometime in September (depending on the bug and the risk of regressions).
[09:28] <persia> We can then backport that to the 11.04 release, to make sure that users of the current release are also supported.
[09:28] <lilstevie> persia: the bt stuff is a bit sketchy though
[09:29] <persia> That's OK.  It's not like we're stiving to have transformer support in the default image set for oneiric.
[09:29] <lilstevie> cause it also needs the firmware
[09:29] <lilstevie> no I mean it works :p
[09:29] <lilstevie> it is firmware
[09:29] <lilstevie> same as wifi
[09:29] <lilstevie> I'm not 100% sure on the distribution rights
[09:29] <persia> What's the license on the firmware?  In general, if you can put it in a PPA, you can probably put it in multiverse (unless you're paying for the PPA)
[09:29] <lilstevie> well I wasn't going to put it on the ppa either
[09:29] <persia> Double-check.  If we can't redistribute, we can'T do a PPA either, because we don't have teh right to upload to the PPA.
[09:30] <persia> Oh, heh :)
[09:30] <lilstevie> what I have at the moment is extracting from an android system image and injecting
[09:30] <lilstevie> post install
[09:31] <persia> So, expecting the user to already have the firmware available in their andoid install?
[09:31] <persia> Did you put that in the postinst?
[09:31] <lilstevie> no I have been telling people to do it :p
[09:32] <lilstevie> because if you flash pure linux there is no android install on device
[09:32] <persia> So, there7s a tool for that :)
[09:32] <persia> Right, so here's a sketch implemetnation
[09:32] <lilstevie> heh
[09:33] <persia> Add debconf support to the package, and ask the user if they have a dual install, and if so, where to find android (medium priority)
[09:33] <persia> Set a default for that question that matches the results of running your installer on an unmodified retail image.
[09:34] <persia> THen, in the postinst, check to see if the firmware is available already.  If not, check if the user told you there was a dual install, and if so, get the firmware from there.
[09:34] <persia> If there is no firmware already loaded, and there is no dual-install from which to get the firmware, notify the user (again, via debconf) that you were unable to find the firmware, and point them at instructions for extracting it themselves.
[09:35] <lilstevie> heh
[09:35] <lilstevie> that would do it
[09:35] <lilstevie> http://pastie.org/2288888
[09:35] <lilstevie> ^^ wifi firmware licence
[09:36] <persia> 2.2 meets the requirements for multiverse.
[09:37] <persia> Basically, that states that we'll only redistribute it unmodified and under the same license terms, and that the redistributor promises to take responsibility if they break this rule.
[09:37] <lilstevie> ok
[09:37] <lilstevie> good to know
[09:38] <lilstevie> I believe the bt firmware would be the same, although I haven't been able to find the licence agreement for that, it is on the same silicon
[09:39] <persia> Mind you, I'm not an archive admin, so my opinion isn't authoritative, but that it's a "restriction on distribution" clause, rather than a "no distribution" clause, and seems to say something like "If you redistribute this, be sure the recipient can'T tell the difference between what they get from Broadcom and what they get from you", it seems like it ought be OK.
[09:39] <lilstevie> ok
[09:39] <persia> Unfortunately, we need to get a license, because the terms of that license require the distribution of the license for any redistribution.
[09:39] <lilstevie> yeah
[09:45] <lilstevie> check-config is failing
[09:45] <lilstevie> http://pastie.org/2288934
[09:49] <persia> I'm not that familiar with check-config: you may need to change some things to be modular, or make sure you hit minimum limits.
[09:49] <lilstevie> ah ok
[09:49] <persia> Also, check the n900 or ac100 kernels: maybe there's a workaround in one of those (or some clue that mayhelp)
[10:22] <lilstevie> fixed it up :p
[10:22] <persia> Cool!
[10:22] <lilstevie> reading the instructions helped :p next instructions delt with it
[10:22] <persia> What was wrong?
[10:22] <persia> Heh :)
[10:22] <lilstevie> well it is expected
[10:22] <lilstevie> thats all :p
[10:23] <lilstevie> made the changes and the only 2 things that had to be commented out were apparmor and ram_size
[10:25] <persia> Not much we can do about ram size, but why doesn't apparmor work?
[10:25] <persia> Did you merge in the ubuntu sauce branch?
[10:26] <lilstevie> heh not that it doesnt work I just haven't fixed up that part of the config yet
[10:27] <lilstevie> fixed that up now
[10:27] <persia> Ah, OK.
[10:28] <lilstevie> building now :)
[10:50] <kapinter> Hi! What kind of toolchain is used to compile ubuntu-arm?
[11:11] <janimo> ppisati, the new 3.0 panda kernel should have good wireless support?
[11:11] <janimo> the one in oneiric
[11:23] <ppisati> janimo: uhm, i guess it
[11:23] <ppisati> janimo: but never really tried it since i don't have antennas for it
[11:24] <janimo> ppisati, hmm I thought it should work w/o antennas too. I never mounted any antenna on the panda.
[11:24] <janimo> anyway will test. I dislike running a long ethernet cable through the room for the panda only
[11:25] <janimo> it worked at one point in natty but was flakey. Need to make sure it works without a need for software from PPAs
[11:25] <ppisati> janimo: k, let me know then
[11:30] <hrw> janimo: 3.0 linaro works on panda with wireless
[11:31] <hrw> without antenna I got 4Mbps from AP under panda
[12:07] <janimo> hrw, stock packages from the archives only right?
[12:28] <hrw> janimo: let me check
[12:29] <hrw> heh. panda rootfs died
[12:29] <hrw> linux-image-3.0.0-1402-linaro-lt-omap_3.0.0-1402.3~ppa~natty_armel.deb sounds like non ubuntu package
[12:43] <gsedej_work> hi! I want to compile ubuntu for Pandaboard, because i need some driver. Panda boots form SD, ubunzu needs 4GB, but I only have 2
[12:44] <gsedej_work> should I follow this instructions?
[12:44] <gsedej_work> http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_kernel_for_OMAP4
[13:45] <lilstevie> persia: hit another error I cant figure this one out though :/
[14:18] <zul> pandaboard is omap4 right?
[14:45] <GrueMaster> zul: correct.
[14:53] <persia> lilstevie: What error?
[14:53] <lilstevie> http://pastie.org/2290069
[14:57] <lilstevie> persia: I am trying a start again approach
[14:58] <lilstevie> seems to be what to do
[15:00] <persia> lilstevie: Yeah, that's probably how I'd handle the same issue.  No idea why it suddenly stopped working.
[15:00] <lilstevie> persia: well seems to be a common fix to the issue
[15:02] <persia> :)
[15:17] <lilstevie> issue fixed :)
[15:17] <persia> \o/
[15:17] <lilstevie> now I just need to modify flash_kernel for my hardware :p
[15:18] <persia> linux + flash-kernel + d-i is usually the enablement set
[15:19] <persia> well, if you can use the vendor bootloader.  If you can't, then you need that as well.
[15:19] <lilstevie> d-i?
[15:19] <lilstevie> I am using the vendor bootloader
[15:20] <persia> d-i is debian-installer.  Every installer we write is eventually refaactored to be based on d-i, because all the problems are already solved there.
[15:20] <lilstevie> ah
[15:21] <persia> (or well, for the problems not solved there, solving them there ends up solving them for all the different installers)
[15:23] <lilstevie> heh
[15:23] <lilstevie> well flash-kernel is somewhat of a tough nut
[15:24] <lilstevie> I'm not happy with the hardcoded nature
[15:24] <persia> Yeah.  lool keeps talking about redesigning it to be sane, but it's a hard problem.
[15:25] <persia> Ideally, we'd like a generic solution for all fastboot devices, but feel free to hardcode it for now.
[15:25] <persia> I thikn ogra landed hist ac100 stanza in oneiric: if not, you can pull it from his PPA.
[15:26] <lilstevie> the problem is once we solve the issue of uploading to a 0x808 type partition with nvflash without having to set a size tag for it there will only be 3 partitions in 1 configuration vs the 10 in an android dualboot config
[15:26] <persia> Right.
[15:27] <lilstevie> 0x808 tells nvflash to fill to the end of the partition minus $SIZE fwiw
[15:27] <persia> My general strategy is to apply a hack that works today (assuming I'm not breaking someone else's stuff), and then fix it once the necessary blockers are out of the way.
[15:27] <lilstevie> so setting size large enough means having the img size unallocated at the end of the emmc
[15:28] <lilstevie> heh well today hacking it in hardcoded will work
[15:28] <persia> Blocking on the right solution tends to make it hard to get the first draft working.
[15:28] <persia> Yep :)
[15:29] <suihkulokki> flash-kernel has ended up bein used in many more kinds of devices not originally planned
[15:30] <suihkulokki> or well, it was never planned. it was just a script to get kernels and initramfs to nas device nand flashes
[15:30] <persia> suihkulokki: Indeed.  IT has (sadly) become a generic means of placing kernels, rather than just writing to flash for certain devices.
[15:31] <lilstevie> heh
[15:31] <persia> What do you think about requesting u-boot-installer and fastboot-installer (to parallel lilo-installer, grub-installer, etc.), at least for those platforms that these support?
[15:32] <lilstevie> well I still need something like it, cause of making the bootimg
[15:32] <persia> lilstevie: RIght, but for non-ARM, we tend to have bootloader-specific scripts, each of which is fairly generic
[15:32] <lilstevie> ha
[15:34] <lilstevie> ah*
[15:59] <lilstevie> persia: http://pastie.org/2290481 <-- kernel packed
[16:02] <charlie-tca> Are we going to have the Xubuntu armel51 images for A3 ?
[16:02]  * charlie-tca won't be disappointed to not have them yet
[16:04] <persia> lilstevie: Wonderful!!!  Post the .dsc (and all the files referenced in the .dsc) somewhere we-baccessible, and I'll pull, review, and upload as soon as I get a chance.
[16:05] <persia> charlie-tca: THere's some issues related to the mx5 images.  At least the patches I wrote that were supposed to generate them ended up with the screen not working (I've been working on graphics drivers this week).
[16:05] <lilstevie> persia: I am repacking with a things changed
[16:05] <persia> charlie-tca: I have heard of others working on mx5 images, but haven'T seen anyone be successful yet.
[16:05] <lilstevie> persia: do you also want a source package?
[16:05] <charlie-tca> Thanks for not forgetting us, persia
[16:05] <persia> So, I'd say, very unlikely for A3
[16:06] <persia> lilstevie: .dsc+references files == source package (yes)
[16:06] <charlie-tca> No problem. Just have to check once in while
[16:06] <lilstevie> ok :)
[16:06] <persia> charlie-tca: Never :)  Although I'm not sure I'll run Xubuntu on my mx5 hardware, the problem in generating the images is the same for all flavours.
[16:07] <lilstevie> persia: launchpad prefered?
[16:07] <lilstevie> or anywhere
[16:10] <persia> lilstevie: I don't really care: I just want them all in the same place, so I can get them in a single virtual directory over http or https
[16:11] <lilstevie> so not in a tarball then? :p
[16:12] <persia> If you especially want: a tarball is harder for me to download.
[16:12]  * persia uses dget to get packages, which auto-unpacks stuff, whereas a tarball has to be downloaded, unpacked, then unpacked agin, etc.
[16:13] <lilstevie> its cool,
[16:13] <lilstevie> I enabled directory browsing over http
[16:13] <persia> Didn't need that, as long as they were all in teh same directory.
[16:18] <lilstevie> heh
[16:35] <lilstevie> persia: uploading now
[16:36] <persia> Cool.
[16:37] <persia> Now that you're less distracted, I should probably ask you about the tab kernel.
[16:38] <lilstevie> heh I was wondering if you were going to ask about that
[16:38] <lilstevie> now that I have the process for generating this down I will get that one set too,
[16:40] <lilstevie> we have the 10.1 working now
[16:40] <lilstevie> like same bug with the touchscreen
[16:40] <lilstevie> but :)
[16:42] <persia> That's OK.  Software always has bugs.  Let's get it in the repo before the deadline, and then, if ywe're lucky, we'll have users, and we can get more input to fix the bugs.
[16:44] <lilstevie> :)
[16:51] <fisuk> hmm.. i'm trying to use gst-launch to play some video, but i'm only able to get non-accelered stuff to show (via fbdevsink)... using v4l2sink shows only black screen
[16:51] <fisuk> what am i missing?
[16:56] <persia> lilstevie: I'm getting told me move, but please post the URL, and I'll pull it as soon as I'm sitting somewhere again.
[16:58] <lilstevie> http://lilstevie.geek.nz/kernelsrc
[16:58] <lilstevie> upload will finish in about 15 minutes
[17:15] <lilstevie> persia: ok it is up,
[17:51] <mynameisdeleted> live ubuntu arm image I can save to the sdcard of my atrix4g phone?
[17:51] <mynameisdeleted> I just wish to run apps... it already has an x-server and linux-arm boot scripts
[17:51] <mynameisdeleted> and linux kernel etc
[17:56] <mynameisdeleted> ubuntu-arm livecd or qemu image?
[18:07] <GrueMaster> mynameisdeleted: You might have some luck with our new Ubuntu-Core image as a chroot environment.  From it, you can apt-get install all of the ubuntu-Arm packages. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/
[18:08] <GrueMaster> It is Oneiric based, so there may be some instabilities, but this is one of the use-cases that we designed this image for.
[18:08] <GrueMaster> (chroot environment that is).
[18:10] <mynameisdeleted> and I use mont --bind to share /tmp and X11 sockets and such with hostos as well as /proc etc
[18:10] <mynameisdeleted> and then the chrooted apps dont know the xserver pre-installed is on a different root
[18:12] <mynameisdeleted> 802.11n built into phone is cool
[18:12] <mynameisdeleted> as is dual-core 1ghz arm processor and 1GB ram
[18:12] <mynameisdeleted> I dont think most arm netbooks have more than 1 core at 1ghx
[18:12] <mynameisdeleted> nore do most atom netbooks
[18:13] <GrueMaster> Not sure how to resolve dependency issues.  But if you have a big enough SD (2-4G minimum), having duplicate binaries won't be an issue.  It won't try to relaunch an X session.
[18:13] <mynameisdeleted> so for ubuntu.... intel atom vs arm risc processor?
[18:13] <mynameisdeleted> which is better chocie?
[18:14] <steev_> depends on what you want to do
[18:14] <mynameisdeleted> I guess arm is slower but uses less power?
[18:14] <mynameisdeleted> not sure about 1ghz dual-core arm though
[18:14] <steev_> an a8 is ~20% slower than an atom
[18:14] <mynameisdeleted> vs single-core atom
[18:14] <GrueMaster> Again, it really depends.  Video playback is very comparable.
[18:14] <steev_> a8 at 800mhz
[18:14] <steev_> single-core atom
[18:15] <steev_> running at 1.6
[18:15] <mynameisdeleted> I have olympus made 2 core arm processor at 1 ghz precisely and 2000 bogomips
[18:15] <mynameisdeleted> hwo does 1ghz armv7 core comapre to 1.6 ghz atom core?
[18:16] <suihkulokki> bogomips = bogus mips
[18:17] <GrueMaster> mynameisdeleted: There are a lot of benchmarks that show pluses & minuses for each arch.  If you plan on running games, you may be out of luck.  But for video playback (with accelerated drivers), they are very comparable.  Also web usage and OpenOffice are fairly close.
[18:18] <GrueMaster> It is really hard to compare without a specific task and as close to equivalent hardware configuration.
[18:19] <GrueMaster> For example, Atom with Dual SATA raid will clobber arm with eMMC.
[18:19] <mynameisdeleted> openoffice + web browsing I think
[18:20] <mynameisdeleted> will class10 32GB sdcard with 20MB/s read sustained and 10MB/s write sustained be comperable to sata?
[18:20] <GrueMaster> Then you should see similar performance, albeit with longer battery life on arm.
[18:20] <mynameisdeleted> how does class10 flash memory comapre in performance to a traditional drive?
[18:21] <mynameisdeleted> if it sustains 20MB/s read and 10MB/s write
[18:21] <GrueMaster> It depends on the SD implementation on your system.  I have seen dismal performance on some high speed SD cards.
[18:21] <mynameisdeleted> so it could be good or could be bad
[18:21] <GrueMaster> And I don't know of any SD that compares to SATA.
[18:21] <mynameisdeleted> it will be an experiment
[18:21] <GrueMaster> Most are designed for high speed sequential reads/writes.  Linux is more random.
[18:21] <mynameisdeleted> many solid-state drives blow sata out of water
[18:21] <mynameisdeleted> ahhh
[18:22] <Neko> mynameisdeleted, SD card performance for the vast majority of systems will absolutely suck compared to any SATA drive
[18:22] <mynameisdeleted> but there are flash-based filesystems that are more optimized for using sequences when possible
[18:22] <mynameisdeleted> a better choice of filesystem might make sd performance more acceptable
[18:23] <GrueMaster> The flash filesystems are still in heavy development, but are greatly improved over traditional (ext3) filesystems.
[18:23] <mynameisdeleted> is internal memory likely faster than microsd?
[18:24] <mynameisdeleted> on flash a read can be random .. just not a write right?
[18:24] <GrueMaster> I have experimented with btrfs & nilfs.  For other reasons, we are not using them in our default SD images, but we are keeping a close watch on their progress.
[18:24] <Neko> usually ext4 and btrfs are a lot faster on SD card
[18:24] <mynameisdeleted> or boht read and write work better sequentially?
[18:24] <Neko> it's mostly about mballoc and copy on write features, it reduces the load
[18:24] <Neko> ext3 on an SD card is abysmal
[18:24] <mynameisdeleted> so ext4 is the most stable sd choice that will work well
[18:25] <GrueMaster> If you want a simple test, use bonnie++ to do filesystem benchmarking.
[18:25] <Neko> that's what we ship on the Efika
[18:25] <mynameisdeleted> can that be an ext4 disk image saved ontop a fat file system?
[18:25] <mynameisdeleted> or is ti better to partition an sd-card?
[18:25] <Neko> you want to partition it
[18:25] <Neko> either use the full card so the filesystem starts at 0
[18:25] <Neko> or if you partition it, make the partition starts aligned to 4MB
[18:25] <Neko> that seems to be the best case for performance
[18:26] <mynameisdeleted> so when my 32GB class10 card copmes in I'll format/install it from my mac
[18:26] <Neko> (otherwise, MBR takes up 512 bytes and the filesystem is kind of 512 to 4 kilobytes out of alignment)
[18:26] <mynameisdeleted> and set it up as an ubuntu arm drive
[18:26] <Neko> you end up doing twice as much work to write a block than you would otherwise if it was aligned
[18:27] <mynameisdeleted> I can make the mbr take exactly 4MB though right?
[18:27] <mynameisdeleted> and then the ext4 starts in right place
[18:28] <Neko> do something like parted /dev/mmcblk0 -anone and then mkpart primary 4M 100%
[18:29] <mynameisdeleted> how hard is it to make x-sever use built in display in multitouch mode rather than use external hdmi?
[18:29] <mynameisdeleted> I guess thats called find an x-server app for andoird
[18:31] <mynameisdeleted> also there problaably is no ubuntu version for mobile phone... only for netbooka nd maybe tablet
[18:31] <mynameisdeleted> as long as it uses a keyboard and a real display ubuntu is fine
[18:31] <mynameisdeleted> I can run a terminal emulator on the phone for commandline stuff outside that
[18:44] <persia> lilstevie: Pulling now.  Thanks.
[19:00] <steev_> mynameisdeleted: you might want to look into utouch
[19:01] <mynameisdeleted> I might do that
[19:43] <janimo> rsalveti, do you know if the TI firmware package is still used with the omap4 wlan driver that is in the kernel? AIUI the driver from the PPA is no longer needed, but firmware should still be there :)
[20:45] <rsalveti> janimo: firmware should come now from the linux-firmware package
[20:45] <rsalveti> it's all upstream afaik
[20:47] <janimo> rsalveti, ah you're right. I found the ti-connectivity binaries in a git repo with all firmware, but forgot there's one package for all firmwares now. thanks
[21:02] <GrueMaster> janimo: The wlan firmware has been part of the linux-firmware since Natty.  It is in the desktop images by default, but not in the headless/server images.
[21:07] <janimo> GrueMaster, that may explain my wifi woes on my headless panda. But I hope I'll put an end to them now that I know what to look for
[21:08] <GrueMaster> Yea, I haven't gotten it to work fully on headless in a while, but forgot what I had to install to get it working.  Not really a high priority image test.
[21:26] <janimo> of course if instead of firmware not found errors, the panda locks up when ifup wlan0 is called is progess, just not the kind I hoped for
[21:51] <rsalveti> janimo: which kernel, 3?
[21:51] <janimo> rsalveti, yes. But after a reboot it did not hang anymore
[21:51] <rsalveti> hm
[21:51] <janimo> so hung twice but now seems ok
[21:53] <GrueMaster> I'm running the daily desktop on one system with 3.0 kernel and wifi is fine there.  I'm in the process of reimaging my cluster of 4 server systems, will bang on one as soon as it is up to see what may be missing.
[21:53] <janimo> cannot ping it again. Will debug in the weekend
[21:59] <GrueMaster> Ok, that was easy.  sudo apt-get install wireless-tools;sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid grue-net2 ; sudo dhclient wlan0
[21:59] <GrueMaster> Currently ping flooding it now.
[22:02] <GrueMaster> janimo: What image were you running?
[22:02] <janimo> GrueMaster, an old natty dist-upgraded and full of cruft
[22:02] <janimo> on a USB external disk
[22:03] <janimo> my ARM build machine
[22:04] <GrueMaster> Ah.  This is oneiric.  I could try from my SRU tester.  I put Maverick, Natty, and Oneiric on separate partitions of one usb drive for easy SRU testing.
[22:04] <janimo> GrueMaster, I wonder why that does not work for me
[22:04] <janimo> I am on oneiric as well
[22:04] <janimo> simple iwconfig essid never worked for me
[22:04] <GrueMaster> plbkac?
[22:04] <janimo> could be my router/AP being more demanding
[22:05] <janimo> no idea, but there is probably some dose of pebkac involved
[22:05] <GrueMaster> heh
[22:05] <janimo> not literally of course, I stand, do not use a chair
[22:06] <janimo> but no problem, imx arrives next week, and instead of two half functional ARM/Oneiric devices (panda, ac100) I'l have 3! joy
[22:06] <GrueMaster> Personally, I can't stand all of this testing I have to do...so I sit.  :P
[22:06] <GrueMaster> I haven't even booted mine.  ENOTIME.
[22:06] <GrueMaster> And lack of an image has made it very low-p.
[22:08] <janimo> could be hw issue with my panda(doubt it), more iffy AP (openwrt) or indeed something I overlook. But  I never had good wifi on my panda
[22:10] <GrueMaster> Yea, I kind of have a bit of overkill here.  Two 802.11N AP's at either end of the house (one 3 feet from my panda stacks), and the entire house wired for gigabit..
[22:11] <GrueMaster> Although I have just filled my 16 port 1Gb switch in my office.  sigh.


[10:02] <zer0def> let's try here: would there be a way to revert xorg to 1.13 in trusty for the purpose of running fglrx-legacy? tried looking for ppas, but so far, no results; before i simply go and start pulling down packages from previous releases, i would prefer to be sure i won't stumble on something laughably easy and break my xserver ;)
[10:16] <jcristau> if you want to use an earlier release, run an earlier release?
[10:17] <zer0def> that's the thing, i don't want to run an earlier release of the distro, just an earlier xorg
[10:18] <zer0def> and that's only because amd aren't keen on keeping up with xorg devel
[10:20] <tseliot> even if you manage to run an old X without breaking the rest of the system, are you sure the module will build against Trusty's kernel?
[10:20] <zer0def> yes, amd's installer provides packages for trusty
[10:20] <zer0def> and it DID build
[10:21] <zer0def> except for the annoying fact stated above
[10:23] <tseliot> that doesn't mean it will work
[10:24] <zer0def> well, i have no other way of finding out, except attempting to run it on what it's capable of running.
[10:26] <tseliot> you'll have to get around the reverse dependencies: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7321327/
[10:26] <tseliot> it's not something I would recommend
[10:27] <tseliot> doesn't the open driver work for you?
[10:27] <zer0def> it does, just not quite the way i want it to ;)
[10:27] <zer0def> yeah, most of those depends i'd probably fill just fine


[00:19] <JakeFromS-Farm> new to how channel topics work exactly on irc but is this news as published via Ubuntu? or is it news about Ubuntu?
[00:19] <JakeFromS-Farm> any help is greatly appreciated
[07:26] <Time_Machine> http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation
[12:48] <tsimonq2> heh
[19:12] <wxl> it appears this is the place to come with fridge calendar issues?
[19:13] <pleia2> wxl: yep, ask away
[19:14] <wxl> pleia2: i need https://calendar.google.com/calendar/render?eid=YzloajZwaG02Z3BtY2I5bWNsaDNpYjlrYzhyM2ViYjI3NHFtNmI5bmM4cm04ZHI1NmtwNmNvOWk2a18yMDE1MTIxNVQyMDAwMDBaIGo1cTg1bW1pNnVqdmp0aWk1czFuM2xpNWlvQGc&ctz=Etc/GMT&sf=true&output=xml#eventpage_6 removed
[19:14] <wxl> or if you prefer http://v.gd/rnUfOX
[19:14]  * wxl hates long links
[19:14] <pleia2> wxl: can you tell me which meeting and time? links are tricky (I have a lot of calendars)
[19:14] <wxl> pleia2: LoCo Council 3rd Tues, 8pm – 9pm
[19:15] <pleia2> remove it and all following?
[19:15] <wxl> yes
[19:15] <wxl> which SHOULD make it so that there are no future LoCo Council meetings
[19:15] <wxl> so i have a clean slate from which to put the right meeting times up XD
[19:15] <pleia2> wxl: all done
[19:15] <wxl> thank you
[19:16] <pleia2> you're welcome :)
[19:16] <pleia2> loco-council mailing list was a recipient, so it has sent a notification email that's in the moderation queue
[19:16] <pleia2> err, attendee, I guess
[19:16] <wxl> sounds good thx
[19:18] <wxl> um
[19:18] <wxl> pleia2: help :)
[19:18] <wxl> how do i add an event?
[19:19] <wxl> i'm logged in to google but no where is the calendar clickable
[19:19] <wxl> do i have to add it first?
[19:19] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar has instructions that should still work
[19:19] <wxl> or do i add it to MY calendar?
[19:19] <pleia2> add it to yours and invite the address noted in the wiki
[19:19] <wxl> oh ok
[19:25] <wxl> i think i did it pleia2 :)
[19:28] <pleia2> wxl: yep, looks good
[19:28] <wxl> pleia2: fairly easy. have you ever had people put up spammy/trolly events?
[19:29] <pleia2> wxl: no, but we also have to approve them for them to show up in the public calendar
[19:30] <wxl> pleia2: well that's good!
[19:31] <pleia2> yeah :)
[20:00] <tsimonq2> pleia2: do I have summaries to write?
[20:00] <tsimonq2> :D
[20:00] <pleia2> tsimonq2: no, I haven't even gotten around to adding links to the document
[20:00] <pleia2> I'll send out the email when it's all ready
[20:02] <tsimonq2> pleia2: ok, thanks :)


[08:09] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:28] <mazal> Morning
[08:59] <magespawn> good morning
[10:09] <MaNI> "So met 'n eerste opslag lyk dit spiekeries!" < Any native afrikaans speakers that can translate that properly for me? I think my attempts at translating it are incorrect
[10:15] <andrewlsd> at first glance it looks ....
[10:16] <andrewlsd> .. I have no idea what "Spiekeries" means
[10:19] <TinuvaMac> lol
[10:20] <TinuvaMac> i never knew how you spell that
[10:21] <TinuvaMac> spickerish?
[10:21] <TinuvaMac> yeah i think that is the direct translated word
[10:21] <TinuvaMac> seems about just right
[10:22] <TinuvaMac> "So at first glance, it looks spickerish/brilliant/perfect/oustanding!" ect
[10:28] <MaNL> okay thanks
[11:13] <inetpro> yikes!
[11:13] <inetpro> netsplits Friday on Black Friday?
[12:03] <andrewlsd> Maaz: seen kilos
[12:03] <Maaz> andrewlsd: kilos was last seen 17 hours, 17 minutes and 39 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-11-26 10:46:11 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-11-26 23:12:05 PST
[12:58] <inetpro> Maaz: seen Kilos-
[12:58] <Maaz> inetpro: Kilos- was last seen 17 hours, 30 minutes and 26 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-11-26 11:27:58 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-11-27 02:22:35 PST
[12:59] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:28] <Langjan> Hi guys, anybody wanting to help with ubuntu login prob, please?
[14:12] <superfly> Langjan: what's the problem?
[14:23] <Langjan> Hi superfly  the root password is not being accepted to login
[14:23] <superfly> Langjan: why are you logging in as root?
[14:24] <Langjan> OK sorry, the username and password are the same
[14:25] <Langjan> I'm currently at the password reset in recovery mode
[14:26] <Langjan> Getting Authentication token manipulation error
[14:27] <superfly> You've lost me.
[14:28] <Langjan> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password
[14:29] <superfly> Langjan: again, why are you logging in as root?
[14:30] <Langjan> The system was set to not require a login password, then suddenly it asked for password and I used the password that we registered on install
[14:32] <Langjan> We are using the same password that the system always accepts for login and admin privileges
[14:33] <superfly> there's a difference between root (which you shouldn't be using) and a user who can sudo (which is what you should be doing)
[14:34] <superfly> also, you should always require a password for logging in, it's just basic good security.
[14:34] <superfly> I gotta go, heading home
[14:34] <Langjan> Ok sorry, learning - its the password that I use for sudo
[15:23] <Langjan> Hi Kilos
[15:23] <Langjan> howzit?
[15:24] <Kilos> hi Langjan well ty and you sir
[15:24] <Langjan> Allso fine thks, hows the Oz plans going>?
[15:25] <Kilos> waiting for visa to be approved. hopefully before 10 dec
[15:25] <Langjan> Great! Excited?
[15:25] <Kilos> was hoping to make it before nov end but nothing yet so now monday last day of nov
[15:25] <Kilos> sigh
[15:26] <Kilos> flights are expensive in dec
[15:26] <Langjan> Flight booked yet?
[15:26] <Kilos> excited? what that
[15:26] <Langjan> Yea very!
[15:26] <Kilos> is the what stops one from sleeping at night
[15:27] <Kilos> i cant book a flight till i know if its appproved
[15:27] <Langjan> No its computers. lmga
[15:27] <Langjan> catch ten
[15:27] <Kilos> haha no man computers have ee good to me
[15:27] <Kilos> been
[15:27] <Langjan> Ok can you help? plse
[15:28] <Kilos> can one not fly on a cargo plane?
[15:28] <Kilos> yes of course
[15:28] <Kilos> whats up?
[15:29] <Langjan> Thks, Linda's lappie  -  she logs out instead of shutting down,  dont know if thats the reason but it now refuses to login
[15:29] <Kilos> wa does it do
[15:29] <Langjan> wont even login as guest
[15:29] <Kilos> what
[15:30] <Langjan> im curently in recovery mode, but whatever I try it wants login first
[15:30] <Kilos> does it keep returning to the page where you enter password
[15:30] <Langjan> yes
[15:31] <Kilos> ok
[15:31] <Kilos> pres ctrl+alt+F3
[15:31] <Kilos> then login there
[15:31] <Langjan> while in recovery?
[15:31] <Kilos> try or reboot to login page
[15:32] <Kilos> beter to reboot i think
[15:32] <Langjan> ok but I battle to access recovery, theres nothing here thatr will help, like dpkg or fsck?
[15:33] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+f3 or f2 should take take you to a terminal thing
[15:33] <Langjan> ok lets try
[15:33] <Langjan> booting...
[15:34] <Kilos> how long you been waiting for me to come online
[15:35] <Langjan> about 5 hours...
[15:35] <Kilos> sorry i been battling with a sim card or modem that keeps going to emergency only mode
[15:35] <Kilos> sorry oom
[15:35] <Langjan> not your prob or fault!!
[15:36] <Langjan> I got a blak screen, trying again
[15:36] <Langjan> blank
[15:37] <Kilos> did you ask anyone else to help you?
[15:37] <Kilos> sjoe 5 hours is terrible
[15:37] <Langjan> Superfly was here for a while, had to knock oof
[15:38] <Langjan> had other things todo, not serious
[15:38] <Langjan> ok now have login prompt on terminal
[15:38] <Langjan> and login fails every time
[15:39] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+f3
[15:39] <Kilos> oh
[15:39] <Kilos> sorry
[15:39] <Langjan> ok!
[15:39] <Kilos> you need to enter her username first'
[15:39] <Kilos> then password
[15:40] <Langjan> Login incorrect
[15:40] <Kilos> what did you forget
[15:40] <Langjan> ok logged in! Great
[15:40] <Kilos> haha
[15:40] <Kilos> now
[15:40] <Langjan> login name and username is the same
[15:41] <Kilos> you have aptitude installed hey
[15:41] <Langjan> dont know...
[15:41] <Kilos> try
[15:41] <Langjan> do what?
[15:41] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install gdm
[15:42] <Langjan> aptitude command not found
[15:43] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[15:44] <Kilos> you could have done sudo apt-get install gdm as well
[15:44] <Langjan> had to run dpkg --configure -a
[15:44] <Langjan> running
[15:44] <Kilos> yes something broke
[15:45] <Langjan> its showing unknown media types
[15:45] <Kilos> dont worry bout that
[15:45] <Langjan> finished running
[15:46] <Kilos> is gdm installed?
[15:46] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install gdm
[15:47] <Langjan> running
[15:47] <Kilos> gdm is to replace lightdm
[15:47] <Kilos> when that breaks you cant get past login page because the desktop manager isnt working
[15:48] <Langjan> its not connected, let me cable-connect
[15:48] <Kilos> ok
[15:49] <Langjan> maybe it did? When I logged in it may have picked up my wireless
[15:50] <Kilos> good
[15:50] <Kilos> it will tell you if unable to connect
[15:50] <Langjan> running...
[15:51] <Langjan> the system was warning Linda but she ignored it
[15:52] <Langjan> on 70%
[15:52] <Kilos> what did the warning say
[15:52] <Langjan> dont know, some error
[15:53] <Langjan> now I have to select gdm or lightdm
[15:53] <Kilos> that lappy does automatic updates hey
[15:53] <Kilos> gdm
[15:54] <Langjan> unpacking as if has just landed from Oz...
[15:54] <Kilos> lol
[15:54] <Langjan> ok klaar
[15:55] <Langjan> now?
[15:55] <Kilos> you still in the terminal
[15:55] <Kilos> ?
[15:55] <Langjan> yes
[15:55] <Kilos> try sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[15:55] <Langjan> ok
[15:56] <Langjan> aptitude command not found
[15:56] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[15:57] <Langjan> klaar
[15:58] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[15:58] <Langjan> running...
[15:58] <Langjan> klaar, nou?
[15:59] <Kilos> then sudo reboot
[15:59] <Kilos> the login screen will be a bit different
[15:59] <Kilos> tick on linda first the enter password
[16:00] <Langjan> ok still srating up
[16:01] <Langjan> taking its time...
[16:01] <Kilos> ya its sorting things
[16:01] <Kilos> gdm is a bit slower but more stable
[16:01] <Langjan> aha, whatever will I do without my friend, lucky theres lines to Oz
[16:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:02] <Kilos> there are lotsa guys here
[16:02] <Langjan> Hope your plans pan out well, yea but only one kilos
[16:02] <Kilos> also ill be online from oz as well just 9 hours ahead
[16:02] <Kilos> just pray for me to succeed
[16:03] <Langjan> yes, used to that with my kids in Canberra, and Perth 6 hours
[16:03] <Kilos> oh ya
[16:03] <Langjan> Will do my friend, I pray for you every day!
[16:03] <Kilos> i got some catching up to do as well so might be slow to answer
[16:03] <Kilos> ty sir
[16:04] <Kilos> 30 years of catching up
[16:04] <Langjan> And for Debs
[16:05] <Kilos> yeah
[16:05] <Kilos> she is stressing with this slow visa stuff
[16:05] <Langjan> Many thks for sorting this prob out so quick, you're a wiz!
[16:05] <Kilos> did it work
[16:05] <Kilos> yay
[16:05] <Langjan> Hope you did not go via an agent?
[16:05] <Kilos> i was just guessing
[16:06] <Kilos> no i did onlie visa app direct to aus peeps
[16:06] <Langjan> goood
[16:06] <Kilos> agents are too expensive
[16:06] <Kilos> thats why we stressing aout dec flights
[16:06] <Kilos> price goes up 4k
[16:07] <Langjan> Yes Dec is not good...check flights via Dubai and Quatar
[16:07] <Kilos> i have
[16:07] <Langjan> ok strongs
[16:08] <Kilos> all go up lots over dec jan
[16:08] <Kilos> thats why i asked about a cargo plane
[16:09] <Langjan> Ok Kilos  gotta go will chat agai n
[16:09] <Kilos> go well sir
[16:09] <Kilos> glad i could help
[16:09] <Kilos> look after yourself
[16:12] <Langjan> You too thks Kilos
[16:12] <Langjan> bye
[17:28] <Kilos> heavy thunderbees expected tonight
[18:20] <magespawn> good evening
[18:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:43] <magespawn> hey Kilos whats up?
[18:43] <Kilos> same old
[18:43] <Kilos> waiting
[18:43] <Kilos> hows things youre side?
[18:45] <magespawn> bit chilly, working on some tedious data, pricelist comparison
[18:45] <magespawn> converting pdf to spreadsheet
[18:46] <Kilos> ai!
[18:48] <magespawn> manually, nog al
[18:52] <captine> evening all
[18:53] <magespawn> i do not know a way of reliably getting data from a pdf into a spreadsheet
[18:53] <magespawn> automatically
[19:08] <Kilos> hi captine
[19:10] <Kilos> you using linux magespawn
[19:10] <Kilos> or the exel way
[19:10] <Kilos> excel
[19:18] <magespawn> linux of course
[19:18] <Kilos> haha
[19:19] <Kilos> is there no converter
[19:19] <Kilos> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18293175/how-to-convert-pdf-files-to-spreadsheets
[19:21] <captine> Kilos.  Hi
[19:22] <Kilos> magespawn ^^
[20:14] <Langjan> Hi Kilos  I'm looking for the link to your daughter's song show - plse send it again
[20:15] <Kilos> sec Langjan
[20:17] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYGPNtyZkZg
[20:17] <Kilos> i think thats it
[20:17] <Kilos> one day ill learn to use bookmarks
[20:18] <Langjan> thks
[20:19] <Kilos> yw
[20:19] <Kilos> she has recorded lots
[20:20] <Kilos> Langjan dont you see private messages
[20:21] <Kilos> jy moet wakker skrik oom
[20:28] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:03] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos thanks
[21:03] <Maaz> magespawn: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[21:33] <inetpro> magespawn: you really don't want to convert PDF to spreadsheet
[21:33] <inetpro> good evening BTW
[21:34] <inetpro> PDF is a publishing format and I don't know why people fail to understand that
[21:35] <inetpro> if you want the data then you must get it from the source before the PDF was generated
[21:37] <inetpro> time to hit the sack, good night
[21:37] <magespawn> no can do inetpro, i do not have access to the source
[21:38] <inetpro> magespawn: get it
[21:38] <inetpro> :-)
[21:38] <magespawn> the company will not give it to me, it is their main price list
[21:38] <inetpro> do yourself a favour and open the PDF file with an editor
[21:39] <inetpro> it's all XML kinda stuff
[21:39] <magespawn> okay, is there a foss editor?
[21:40] <magespawn> or do you mean any xml editor?
[21:40] <inetpro> sudo apt-get install okteta
[21:41] <inetpro> that ^^ is a hex editor amongst many thousands of editors
[21:41] <magespawn> thought you might mean a pdf editor
[21:42] <magespawn> alrighty, i will take a look in the morning when i am at work
[21:42] <inetpro> haha, I really mean it, open it in a normal editor and look
[21:42] <magespawn> will do
[21:43] <magespawn> you made the right call earlier, bedtime now
[21:43] <inetpro> if you can't read it at all, it could even be just an image inside a pdf
[21:45] <magespawn> sort of like a fake pdf
[21:45] <inetpro> but there are other options if you want to be brave
[21:45] <inetpro> look at poppler-utils for example
[21:45] <inetpro> aptitude show poppler-utils
[21:47] <magespawn> that looks very useful
[21:48] <inetpro> or look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/162037/how-to-edit-pdfs
[21:51]  * magespawn makes a note to follow those up in the morning
[21:52] <magespawn> cool beans, thanks inetpro \
[21:52] <inetpro> you're welcome
[21:52]  * inetpro turns the lights off
[21:52] <magespawn> good night
[21:53] <inetpro> good night


[00:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: update-notifier (bionic-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[00:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: update-notifier (xenial-proposed/main) [3.168.13 => 3.168.14] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[00:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: update-notifier (focal-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[00:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: update-notifier (hirsute-proposed/main) [3.192.40 => <IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[00:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: update-notifier (impish-proposed/main) [3.192.40 => 3.192.41] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[05:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ceph [sync] (impish-proposed) [16.2.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[05:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ruby2.7 [sync] (impish-proposed) [2.7.2-4ubuntu1.1]
[06:52] <doko> jibel: ubuntu-report dashboard ping
[07:08] <jibel> Hi doko
[07:12] <doko> jibel: see private message please
[08:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debootstrap (impish-proposed/main) [1.0.123ubuntu6 => 1.0.124] (desktop-core) (sync)
[08:37] <Laney> right I'm going to try one test run of impish proposed-migration against the new environment
[08:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: udisks2 (hirsute-proposed/main) [2.9.2-1 => 2.9.2-1ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[09:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openjdk-13 [sync] (focal-proposed) [13.0.7+5-0ubuntu1~20.04]
[09:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openjdk-16 [sync] (focal-proposed) [16.0.1+9-1~20.04]
[10:00] <Laney> sil2100: time to switch bileto/security britney
[10:08] <LocutusOfBorg> just a question, recipes/ppas are still not working with impish? they still try to autogenerate a version such as boinc_7.18.0+dfsg+git20210426+r24906~r93~ubuntu21.04.1_source.changes
[10:10] <cjwatson> I think that's just because base-files hasn't migrated yet
[10:10] <cjwatson> Which is presumably related to Laney's ongoing work on proposed-migration
[10:21] <Laney> it seems to be working ok, I'll turn it back on and we can unblock a few things modulo testing
[10:27] <LocutusOfBorg> I'll be happy to test it then :) thanks!
[10:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iio-sensor-proxy (focal-proposed/main) [2.8-1 => 2.8-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core)
[10:40] <Laney> juliank: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vcPRXVh67m/ any idea why this would have started happening and/or what to do about it?
[10:45] <juliank> Laney: nope
[10:46] <rbasak> There's some retry logic here: https://salsa.debian.org/ci-team/autopkgtest/-/blob/master/lib/adtlog.py#L58
[10:46] <rbasak> Do you have that in your version?
[10:46] <rbasak> If so, maybe bump up the retry times?
[10:47] <Laney> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/autopkgtest/+git/development/tree/lib/adtlog.py#n58
[10:47] <Laney> that's our version (so, yeah)
[10:47] <rbasak> Seems odd for it to use non-blocking mode and then retry
[10:48]  * Laney channels past pitti
[10:49] <Laney> I never saw this on the previous (xenial) deployment though, feels like something which changed between then and focal
[10:54] <sil2100> Laney: switch to the new world?
[10:55] <Laney> yus
[10:57] <sil2100> Will get in touch with you in a bit!
[10:57] <Laney> ddstreet: when you get a chance can you check systemd upstream's webhooks to see if they are still working please? We just updated DNS for autopkgtest.ubuntu.com so it is now pointing to a new environment
[10:57] <Laney> so any dispatches from now-ish onwards
[10:57] <Laney> allowing for TTL I guess
[11:03] <juliank> Laney: exciting days
[11:04] <juliank> Laney: and lots of tests to give it a good start, huh?
[11:04] <juliank> :D
[11:13] <Laney> indeed
[11:14] <Laney> ubuntu-image upstream tests work so that's a good sign for systemd ones I guess
[11:14] <Laney> juliank: want to figure out this blocking thing though
[11:17] <sil2100> \o/
[11:50] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/focal/update_excuses.html results have the nice URLs now too oooooooh yeahhhhh
[11:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-11 (impish-proposed/main) [11-20210424-1ubuntu1 => 11.1.0-1ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[12:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debootstrap [sync] (impish-proposed) [1.0.124]
[12:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-11 [source] (impish-proposed) [11.1.0-1ubuntu1]
[13:37]  * enyc meows
[13:37] <mdeslaur> hey SRU team, looks like bug 1868127 has been verification done for months yet it's not in -updates yet...could someone please take a look?
[13:37] <ubot3> Bug 1868127 in openvpn (Ubuntu Focal) "[SRU] OpenVPN will not reload due to misconfigured .service file" [Medium, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1868127
[13:38] <enyc> "Archive: Closed" as per 21.04 ?  or not yet ready to accept 21.10 related?
[13:39] <mdeslaur> oh I guess https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvpn/+bug/1868127/comments/14 explains why it's not in -updates
[13:39] <sil2100> mdeslaur: hey! It looks block-proposed, so we're not touching it
[13:39] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1868127 in openvpn (Ubuntu Focal) "[SRU] OpenVPN will not reload due to misconfigured .service file" [Medium, Fix Committed]
[13:39] <mdeslaur> I'll bundle it in my security update than
[13:39] <mdeslaur> sil2100: oh! just noticed xenial autopkgtests showed up, thanks!
[13:39] <mdeslaur> sil2100: yeah, that explains it still being in -proposed, thanks :)
[14:00] <doko> impish autopkg tests seem to work, the reddish color looks familiar ;)
[14:48] <sil2100> mdeslaur: yw! Just a heads up - I need to do some changes for security-britney now for the new ADT deployment, so don't worry if things don't quite work right now
[14:48] <mdeslaur> sure, thanks sil2100
[15:01] <Laney> OK armhf should be running properly now
[15:03] <Laney> why is the queue metric all jaggedy
[15:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pi-bluetooth (focal-proposed/multiverse) [0.1.10ubuntu6 => 0.1.15ubuntu0~20.04.1] (raspi)
[15:31] <Laney> not sure it is running properly :(
[15:31] <Laney> I'm seeing a lot of VirtSubproc.Timeout
[15:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pi-bluetooth (groovy-proposed/restricted) [0.1.15ubuntu1 => 0.1.15ubuntu1.1~20.10.1] (raspi)
[16:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected update-notifier [source] (hirsute-proposed) [3.192.41]
[17:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: update-notifier (hirsute-proposed/main) [3.192.40 => <IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[17:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected update-notifier [source] (hirsute-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted update-notifier [source] (hirsute-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected update-notifier [source] (focal-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted update-notifier [source] (focal-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected update-notifier [source] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:43] <coreycb> hello SRU team, if anyone has cycles we'd like to see if we can get a review of python-ovsdbapp in the groovy and focal unapproved queues
[17:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted update-notifier [source] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected update-notifier [source] (xenial-proposed) [3.168.14]
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted update-notifier [source] (xenial-proposed) [3.168.14]
[18:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-11-cross (impish-proposed/main) [3ubuntu5 => 4ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[18:21] <bdmurray> coreycb: I can have a look
[18:21] <coreycb> bdmurray: thank you
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-11-cross-ports (impish-proposed/universe) [2ubuntu3 => 3ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[18:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-ovsdbapp [source] (groovy-proposed) [1.5.0-0ubuntu2]
[18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-ovsdbapp [source] (focal-proposed) [1.1.0-0ubuntu2]
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-11-cross-ports [source] (impish-proposed) [3ubuntu1]
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-11-cross [source] (impish-proposed) [4ubuntu1]
[18:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted murano-dashboard [source] (hirsute-proposed) [1:11.0.0-0ubuntu1.1]
[18:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (bionic-proposed/main) [2:12.1.1-0ubuntu4 => 2:12.1.1-0ubuntu6] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[18:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-desktop3 [source] (hirsute-proposed) [3.38.5-1ubuntu2~21.04.1]
[18:46] <falcojr> sil2100: "Looking at the cloud-init SRU - can someone do a quick test of hirsute? Since I see all other series are verified" Done! I believe cloud-init should be ready now
[18:50] <sil2100> \o/
[18:57] <ddstreet> Laney systemd-upstream ci tests seem like they're still running normally, so i assume the changeover worked fine
[19:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lightdm [source] (groovy-proposed) [1.30.0-0ubuntu4~20.10.1]
[19:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lightdm [source] (focal-proposed) [1.30.0-0ubuntu4~20.04.1]
[19:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ovn [source] (groovy-proposed) [20.06.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[19:16] <bdmurray> JawnSmith: bug 1921915 is missing SRU information
[19:16] <ubot3> Bug 1921915 in pi-bluetooth (Ubuntu Groovy) "Bluetooth controller not detected on CM4" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1921915
[19:21] <dbungert> blackboxsw: will the update notifier stuff be heading to impish also?  I have a crash fix pending LP: #1926298
[19:21] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1926298 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "Segfault added in the recent changes" [High, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1926298
[19:23] <JawnSmith> Thanks bdmurray, will fix
[19:24] <bdmurray> dbungert: Its in the upstream branch for update-notifier, so if you put it there I can upload it for impish.
[19:24] <dbungert> bdmurray: let me rebase the patch and I'll report back
[19:41] <JawnSmith> bdmurray, fixed
[19:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected magnum [source] (groovy-proposed) [11.0.0-0ubuntu2]
[19:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected magnum [source] (groovy-proposed) [11.0.0-0ubuntu1.1]
[19:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: magnum (groovy-proposed/universe) [11.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 11.0.0-0ubuntu1.1] (openstack)
[19:50] <bdmurray> JawnSmith: Where are bluez and linux-firmware-raspi2 for groovy? I don't see them in the queue now.
[19:53] <bdmurray> icey, coreycb: bug 19215734 is missing SRU information
[20:00] <JawnSmith> bdmurray: linux-firmware-raspi2 is awaiting a sponsor. LP: #1925971
[20:00] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1925971 in linux-firmware-raspi2 (Ubuntu) "SRU bluetooth fixes and CVEs to focal and groovy" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1925971
[20:01] <JawnSmith> Fairly certain the bluez patch for groovy has already landed
[20:01] <JawnSmith> but I'll double check
[20:02] <bdmurray> I guess my real question is "does the new pi-bluetooth require a versioned package relationship to these other packages"?
[20:02] <JawnSmith> confirmed, bluez 5.55-0ubuntu1.1 in groovy has the relevant bluetooth fix
[20:04] <JawnSmith> They generally don't need to be updated together. When new Pi hardware comes out then they likely all need an update, as happened here
[20:05] <JawnSmith> But generally speaking there would be plenty of scenarios where only one of the three needs an update
[20:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ovn [source] (focal-proposed) [20.03.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[20:24] <ddstreet> bdmurray do you happen to know what's going on with the update_excuses page detail for makedumpfile? it says that the makedumpfile autopkgtests for ppc failed, but looking at the autopkgtest test result list page, it has no output at all for the new version
[20:26] <vorlon> ddstreet: in focal?
[20:27] <ddstreet> sorry groovy
[20:27] <ddstreet> e.g. the tests are listed as some passing, ppc failing here https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/groovy/update_excuses.html
[20:27] <vorlon> hmm
[20:27] <ddstreet> but e.g. here it doesn't show any test at all for the new version https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/makedumpfile/groovy/ppc64el
[20:27] <vorlon> GREAT QUESTIOQN
[20:29] <LocutusOfBorg> oops I triggered it manually some seconds ago
[20:29] <vorlon> so, I can say that updates of https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages and update_excuses are not synchronized
[20:29] <vorlon> but it's unusual that britney output would be updated first
[20:30] <vorlon> Laney: ^^ any possibility this is related to the new deployment?
[20:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pi-bluetooth [source] (groovy-proposed) [0.1.15ubuntu1.1~20.10.1]
[20:36] <vorlon> ddstreet: anyway, it does link to the specific test log, which is newer than anything reported on https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/m/makedumpfile/groovy/ppc64el - but also more than a day old.  So it looks like a failure to update the autopkgtest.ubuntu.com view, indeed
[20:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted heat-dashboard [source] (focal-proposed) [3.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[21:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted iio-sensor-proxy [source] (focal-proposed) [2.8-1ubuntu1]
[21:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: glibc (focal-updates/main) [2.31-0ubuntu9.3 => 2.31-0ubuntu9.2] (core, i386-whitelist) (sync)
[21:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted glibc [sync] (focal-updates) [2.31-0ubuntu9.2]
[22:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected pi-bluetooth [source] (focal-proposed) [0.1.15ubuntu0~20.04.1]
[22:14] <bryce> bdmurray, heya, once a package is in -proposed on launchpad (i.e. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/3.168.14) how long does it typically take before it's available to install from the archive?
[22:15] <bdmurray> bryce: If I'm in a hurry I usually switch to archive.ubuntu.com instead of a local mirror
[22:15] <bryce> bdmurray, yeah that's what I'm pulling from
[22:15] <bryce>      3.168.13 500
[22:15] <bryce>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main amd64 Packages
[22:27] <bryce> bdmurray, guessing things are just bogged down with impish or something?
[22:27] <bdmurray> bryce: if you use the ip address for achive.ubuntu.com you'll see the latest package version
[22:28] <bdmurray> bryce: so maybe its some cache'ing thing
[22:28] <bryce> ahh
[22:30] <bryce> bdmurray, thanks that explains it
[23:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (impish-proposed/main) [26.2 => 27.0] (core)


[08:34] <CraHan> I'm not sure if it's the same issue with Ubuntu 14.04 as I was having with Xubuntu 14.04, but the latest VirtualBox guest additions (4.3.6) don't recognise the X version used in 14.04. Installing the pre-release 4.3.7 guest additions seems to fix that. See https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/12623 for a download link.
[08:34] <CraHan> Just figured I'd share that just in case anyone bumps into the same issue.
[08:39] <eyfour> CraHan: Thanks a lot. You probably just saved me a couple of hours of future troubleshooting :)
[08:39] <CraHan> eyfour: awesome. Happy to help :)
[11:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:06] <erle-> does somebody know whether the new gnunet release will be in trusty?
[14:08] <erle-> i mean 0.10
[16:33] <_bt> hello, does the latest trusty kernel have this patch? http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=227ae10f17a5f2fd1307b7e582b603ef7bbb7e97
[16:35] <Pici> _bt: you might want to poke your head in #ubuntu-kernel and ask there.
[16:35] <_bt> Pici: thanks
[21:58] <triole> Hi guys! I am currently on a 14.04 live session and want to look at unity8. However, I cannot install it! Apt says: E: Unable to locate package unity8
[21:59] <Beldar> triole, YOu have to comment out the cd and run an update to have access to the repos.
[21:59] <triole> ah-get it. ill try
[22:01] <triole> YES! works, at least the installation :)
[22:01] <triole> thanks for the quick help!
[22:01] <Beldar> no prob
[22:20] <genii> Just remember that you can only install packages up to the amount of memory the system has, since /var and so on are in RAM
[22:20] <jpds>  /var isn't in RAM.
[22:20] <bekks> Hopefully, it isnt :)
[22:20] <jpds> Oh, on a live session - sure.
[22:21] <genii> jpds: "<triole> Hi guys! I am currently on a 14.04 live session and want to look at unity8. However, I cannot install it! Apt says: E: Unable to locate package unity8"
[22:21] <bekks> So on a live session, the entire dpkg structure is just not included?
[22:29] <genii> bekks: I think all the directory hierarchies are in place, etc.  I make a software that is release with a Samba VFS module binary.
[22:48] <gboudreau> that module doesn't work on Trusty, because I think a symlink to a library is missing.
[22:49] <gboudreau> The error samba logs is "libsmbd_base.so: file not found"
[22:49] <gboudreau> and indeed, there is not such file / symlink in the Trusty install I tested with.
[22:49] <gboudreau> I created a symlink with this: ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libsmbd_base.so.0 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsmbd_base.so
[22:49] <gboudreau> and it resolved the problem.
[22:50] <jpds> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?mode=exactfilename&suite=trusty&section=all&arch=any&keywords=libsmbd_base.so.0&searchon=contents
[22:50] <gboudreau> I don't think this is an issue on other systems (though I might be wrong on that), so I think it is a Trusty bug
[22:50] <jpds> Interesting.
[22:50] <jpds> File a bug about it.
[22:50] <gboudreau> will do. Can you tell me where? :)
[22:51] <jpds> gboudreau: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+filebug
[22:51] <gboudreau> perfect. thank you.