[00:16] <dialextremo> Hello, I have an issue with booting ubuntu studio. it happens that all this week i've been trying to install ubuntu studio in my laptop lenovo ideapad 330s AMD ryzen 5 with AMD radeon vega 8 graphics.
[00:16] <dialextremo> now is that when I rebooted, and select ubuntu studio with low latency it show another smaller black screen
[00:31] <FurretUber> I want to configure APT on an Ubuntu 18.04 install to search first for a local mirror and only if that mirror search fails, search for the main server (archive.ubuntu.com). Is this possible?
[00:33] <sarnold> FurretUber: if you put your local mirror before the official mirrors in the apt sources.list then your local mirror should be preferred
[00:58] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi
[00:59] <aleksandrdvorkin> Can someone help me with the command how to mount sambashare
[00:59] <aleksandrdvorkin> i can access the share through the file manager
[01:00] <aleksandrdvorkin> but wheni do the commnand sudo mount-t cifs //<IP_ADDRESS>/sambashare /mnt/myshare i get PERMISSION DENIED
[01:04] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, sorry for the wait, upgrade bios, kernel, and other stuff
[01:05] <aleksandrdvorkin> what is wrong with the command sudo mount -t cifs //ipaddressofthesambaserver/sambashare /mnt/myshare
[01:06] <cluelessperson> aleksandrdvorkin, what's the error message?
[01:06] <aleksandrdvorkin> Permission Denied
[01:07] <cluelessperson> aleksandrdvorkin, is that the exact error?
[01:07] <aleksandrdvorkin> aleksandrdvorkin@aleksandrdvorkin-VirtualBox:/mnt/myshare$ sudo mount -t cifs //<IP_ADDRESS>/sambashare /mnt/myshare
[01:07] <aleksandrdvorkin> Password for<EMAIL_ADDRESS> ********
[01:07] <aleksandrdvorkin> mount error(13): Permission denied
[01:07] <aleksandrdvorkin> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs) and kernel log messages (dmesg)
[01:08] <cluelessperson> aleksandrdvorkin, So, you either don't have permission to mount there, or, the username/password are wrong
[01:09] <cluelessperson> aleksandrdvorkin, Samba, btw, requires you have a matching system user, and a smb user added
[01:09] <cluelessperson> last I knew
[01:11] <lunaticedit> Fair warning to you guys, if you have 19.04... I tried 3 times to install nvidia from drivers ppa and it prevented booting anything but rescue mode and screwed up packages (on a CLEAN install)
[01:11] <lunaticedit> Thankfully the provided drivers are new enough for vulkan.. just a heads up
[01:11] <aleksandrdvorkin> so to add the matching user i add it to /etc/samba/smb.conf
[01:21] <aleksandrdvorkin> is samba suppost to be installed on both client and server or only a server to mount a share
[02:03] <emilson> hello I upgraded from 19.04 to 19.10, however I think I might be missing few gnome core apps, how can I run equivalent of 'pacman -S --needed gnome' ?
[02:04] <wisescribe7> Hello, I need help. When attempting to install updates in Ubuntu 19.10, Ubuntu freezes when trying to update apparmor. Can anyone help me with this, please?
[02:04] <emilson> to install any missing packages from ubuntu's gnome 3 group
[02:05] <sarnold> emilson: what does that command do?
[02:06] <emilson> sarnold, 'pacman -S --needed gnome' would attempt to install/reinstall only missing packages from gnome3 group
[02:06] <emilson> e.g. if you had gnome 3 installed and removed Music and Totem, that command would install them back for you without reinstalling the *whole* DE over again
[02:08] <sarnold> emilson: aha, I'm not entirely sure you'd recreate the situation -- you could try apt install gnome  and see if that offers any recommendations or similar..
[02:09] <emilson> sarnold, ah I see, thanks, I'm glad you understand my question!
[02:09] <wisescribe7> emilson: I am having trouble with Ubuntu freezing whenever I try to install updates with the Ubuntu Software app. Ubuntu freezes when trying to update apparmor. Can you help me with this, please?
[02:09] <wisescribe7> emilson: I'm using Ubuntu 19.10
[02:09] <sarnold> wisescribe7: what do you mean by 'freezes'?
[02:11] <wisescribe7> sarnold: The hard drive keeps spinning as if it's continuing to update but goes no further; stuck at apparmor update, mouse stops working.
[02:11] <sarnold> wisescribe7: how much memory do you have?
[02:11] <ph88> hey guys, i have ubuntu 19.04. When i type do-release-upgrade in the console it says there isn't a new version. Why don't i get the new version ?
[02:11] <wisescribe7> sarnold: 4GB RAM
[02:11] <sarnold> ph88: usually the metadata file that says "it's time to upgrade" is updated a few days after release
[02:12] <ph88> aw
[02:12] <wisescribe7> sarnold: This is a pretty old machine I'm using. Lenovo ThinkCentre m58p, Core 2 Duo 2.33 ghz, 4GB RAM.
[02:13] <sarnold> ph88: you can try do-release-upgrade -d  -- I'm not positive it'll work (since the -d normally means 'devel') but it's worth a try :)
[02:13] <dax> it'll work
[02:13] <emilson> ph88, upgrade to 19.10 showed up for after following instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes
[02:13] <sarnold> wisescribe7: so, some of the snap profiles cause a *lot* of memory use when apparmor compiles the security policy. I *think* you might have hit this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1848567
[02:13] <emilson> *for me*
[02:14] <dax> eoan is the most recent thing in https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development so for now -d will work
[02:14] <sarnold> dax: oh cool, thanks :)
[02:14] <emilson> ph88, run: /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk -d
[02:14] <dax> (do-release-upgrade without -d is the same URL without the -development bit)
[02:17] <wisescribe7> sarnold: So then, what do you suggest that I do in order to rectify this?
[02:17] <sarnold> wisescribe7: I'm not sure. you could try adding more swap and hoping it eventually finishes. you could uninstall snap applications. you could uninstall snapd. there's not many good choices. :(
[02:18] <wisescribe7> sarnold: I'm primarily a Windows user, and have no idea how to do any of that.
[02:19] <sarnold> wisescribe7: try "apt purge snapd" and let me know how that goes
[02:19] <wisescribe7> sarnold: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem."
[02:20] <sarnold> wisescribe7: ugh. okay.
[02:20] <emilson> sarnold, looks like
[02:20] <wisescribe7> sarnold: And then when I run this 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' command, that's what causes the software update, and Ubuntu freezing when it tries to update apparmor
[02:21] <sarnold> wisescribe7: yeah..
[02:21] <emilson> sarnold, 'apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop' should do what I want but it doesn't, it doesn't reinstall all dependencies in ubuntu-desktop meta package
[02:21] <ph88> thx guys
[02:21] <sarnold> emilson: did it report partial installed packages needing to be finished or similar?
[02:22] <sarnold> wisescribe7: so.. how about this, snap list to see the installed snaps, and then snap .. remove? snap delete? snap purge? the various packages that are installed through snap
[02:22] <emilson> sarnold, it just doesn't do anything:  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:23] <sarnold> emilson: alright, that's a good sign.
[02:23] <emilson> sarnold, somebody from 2009 tried to do what I need :p  https://gourgi.wordpress.com/2009/09/27/re-install-ubuntu-desktop-metapackage-and-reinstall-its-dependencies/
[02:24] <wisescribe7> Can I PM you what showed up when I typed snap list?
[02:24] <wisescribe7> sarnold
[02:24] <emilson> for example I have Shotwell removed, i would expect ubuntu-desktop to reinstall that back for me, I have more stuff missing that i haven't noticed yet or i don't know about
[02:25] <sarnold> wisescribe7: probably better to use a pastebin site like https://paste.ubuntu.com/ -- it'lll be much faster
[02:25] <sarnold> emilson: heh, nice, I was just debating if parsing the Depends: line or parsing apt-rdepends output would be better. there's 1100 dependencies from "gnome" though. sooooo..
[02:26] <emilson> sarnold, i don't think 'apt-get install gnome' is default on Ubuntu, Ubuntu is customized when compared to Gnome 3 in other distros, I know that proper way to install gnome3 on e.g. Ubuntu server is to use 'tasksel' utlity
[02:27] <emilson> e.g. tasksel install ubuntu-desktop^
[02:27] <sarnold> emilson: hmm, this bit is wrong though "sudo apt-get build-dep ubuntu-desktop"  --- this installs whatever is necessary to REBUILD the package, not everything that it uses at runtime
[02:28] <emilson> sarnold, i tried 'apt-get build-dep ubuntu-desktop' but it doesn't work as expected, it didn't even pickup Shotwell :(
[02:28] <emilson> i will try this https://askubuntu.com/questions/673789/reinstall-all-dependancies-of-a-single-package
[02:28] <sarnold> emilson: try this one: sudo apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop | awk -F ":" '{print $2}' | \
[02:28] <sarnold> sed '/^$/d' | xargs sudo apt-get \
[02:28] <sarnold> install --reinstall --install-recommends --yes
[02:29] <sarnold> emilson: that askubuntu answer looks decent too
[02:30] <emilson> sarnold, pacman in archlinux basically can do this with 'pacman -S --needed gnome' but I like Ubuntu/Debian way more
[02:32] <sarnold> emilson: normally it's enough to use debsums to find a package with changed file and then reinstall that one..
[02:32] <sarnold> uhoh poor wisescribe7 :(
[02:50] <emilson> sarnold, so i didn't like that command from askubuntu.com/questions/* because it was reinstalling everything
[02:50] <emilson> i came up with this apt show ubuntu-desktop 2> /dev/null | grep 'Depends: ' | sed -e 's/Depends: //g' | tr -d ','
[02:51] <emilson> basically i need to loop through that list and check with 'dpkg-query -l' and if it returns 1 i need 'apt-get install' missing package(s)
[02:54] <emilson> something like: for p in $(apt show ubuntu-desktop 2> /dev/null | grep 'Depends: ' | sed -e 's/Depends: //g' | tr -d ','); do if [$(dpkg-query -l $p) -eq 0]; then apt-get install $p ; fi; done
[02:54] <emilson> but the syntax on 'if' statement is wrong
[03:00] <turbokitty>  /mode turbokitty +i
[03:56] <davido_> A word to the wise: remove the Workspaces to Dock gnome shell extension before upgrading to 19.10.  Once 19.10 is installed, the Activities menu will hang the desktop until you've uninstalled that extension.
[03:59] <cluelessperson> Is there an app that keeps ubuntu from going to sleep/locking?
[04:01] <davido_> Caffiene.  It should be in the software center.
[04:01] <cluelessperson> davido_, that doesn't work for me in 19.04
[04:02] <cluelessperson> how are events handled in ubuntu anyway?
[04:04] <npx> Hi! So, I'm running 19.10 (Eoan) with the proprietary NVidia drivers on my laptop. My understanding was that nvidia-docker "just worked" out of the box, and I could use Cuda applications in Docker containers without doing anything else. This doesn't seem to be true, anyone know more?
[04:07] <tatertots> cluelessperson: have you looked at the settings ?
[04:08] <cluelessperson> tatertots, of?
[04:10] <Jake-abc> cluelessperson: are you on Gnome? If so, there's a Caffeine Gnome Shell Extension.
[04:10] <cluelessperson> Jake-abc, yes, is caffeine not made for gnome?
[04:11] <tatertots> cluelessperson: are you chatting from 19.04 right now?
[04:11] <davido_> He suggested it doesn't work on 19.04. I think that's probably a misstatement; it works for me, under 19.04. So a more interesting question is why it's not working for *him* under 19.04.
[04:11] <cluelessperson> tatertots, yes
[04:12] <Jake-abc> cluelessperson: I don't know, but the extension works for me (on 19.10, at least):
[04:12] <cluelessperson> davido_, it's just a regular install of 19.04
[04:12] <Jake-abc> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/517/caffeine/
[04:12] <cluelessperson> I didn't do anything special
[04:13] <tatertots> cluelessperson: open terminal>  gnome-control-center
[04:13] <tatertots> cluelessperson: press ENTER
[04:13] <tatertots> cluelessperson: click "Power" section
[04:13] <cluelessperson> tatertots, why?
[04:15] <cluelessperson> ugh, why is gnome integrated into the browser?
[04:15] <tatertots> cluelessperson: just keep trying..it'll do what you want eventually
[04:15] <cluelessperson> that's a terrible idea.
[04:16] <cluelessperson> tatertots, ?
[04:16] <cluelessperson> tatertots, the problem isn't that I haven't looked at the power settings, the problem is that the software meant to interupt whatever events "isnt' working"
[04:17] <Jake-abc> ROFL. I didn't like that, at first, either, but there are a lot of useful extensions.
[04:18] <cluelessperson> Jake-abc, browsers are widely considered to be insecure, unsafe, and the largest attack vector on any machine.
[04:18] <cluelessperson> Jake-abc, integrating control over the installation of software, directly from the browser, is just a terrible, terrible idea.
[04:19] <cluelessperson> It also gives power to the owner/creator of that browser (in this case google) over what's installed on your machine.
[04:21] <tatertots> cluelessperson: have you installed any other versions of Ubuntu or a completely different Linux distribution on the same computer in the past?...or have you only used 19.04?
[04:21] <cluelessperson> I used 18.04 until I bought this new machine and installed 19.04 on it
[04:22] <tatertots> cluelessperson: maybe you could try experimenting a little with other versions and distributions to determine if you run into the same or similar set of challenges
[04:24] <Jake-abc> cluelessperson: If you don't want to install a browser add-on to work with extensions, I think you can download and install them manually and then enable the extension(s) in the Tweaks tool.
[04:25] <davido_> Or boot to 19.04 with a live USB drive and see if you can replicate the behavior there. If not, something's different between your installed system and the thumbdrive image. If you can replicate the behavior, you'll have confirmed that there's something related to Ubuntu 19.04 with your hardware that needs to be investigated.
[04:26] <cluelessperson> davido_, I reinstalled with a freshly downloaded iso and found the same results.
[04:26] <cluelessperson> There are some quirks with my hardware, some of which I haven't brought up because I know they'll be gotten to eventually.
[04:27] <Jake-abc> cluelessperson: I think they're in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/ or something like that.
[04:27] <cluelessperson> anyone know what this is?
[04:27] <cluelessperson> Window manager warning: Overwriting existing binding of keysym 33 with keysym 33
[04:29] <cluelessperson> I feel kinda frustrated
[04:29] <davido_> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=245058
[04:29] <tatertots> cluelessperson: you installed the exact same thing, then expected a different result?
[04:29] <cluelessperson> I don't know how to help improve these things.
[04:30] <tatertots> cluelessperson: have you thought about installing something "different"
[04:30] <cluelessperson> tatertots, are you reading the same conversation?
[04:32] <tatertots> 99th time is a charm
[04:34] <cluelessperson> tatertots, I have been experimenting.  Ubuntu 18.04 is the most state I've found so far, but 19.04 has features I require, although I forget which at the moment those were.
[04:34] <cluelessperson> most stable*
[04:35] <davido_> Does 19.10 have those features? If you boot from a 19.10 usb, does the behavior manifest itself there?
[04:36] <cluelessperson> Do you by chance know how to rip out Caribou from gnome?
[04:37] <glitchd> odd question. i built a computer. did not install any sort of wireless card, yet i have wifi. what can i do to figure out what device is providing wifi?
[04:38] <cluelessperson> glitchd, what type of motherboard?
[04:38] <tatertots> glitchd: perform an system analysis
[04:38] <cluelessperson> glitchd, `lshw | grep wifi -B10 -A5`
[04:39] <glitchd> asrock x570
[04:40] <glitchd> cluelessperson, that command does not return anything
[04:40] <cluelessperson> glitchd, that motherboard comes with `Intel® Wi-Fi 6 802.11ax (2.4Gbps) + BT 5.0`
[04:40] <glitchd> cluelessperson, i find that slightly odd since i dont have wifi in w10
[04:41] <glitchd> i put this computer together maybe a month and a half ago
[04:41] <glitchd> this is the first time ive noticed the option to enable wifi in linux
[04:41] <cluelessperson> glitchd, https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X570%20Taichi/
[04:41] <tatertots> glitchd: if your motherboard documentation says it has onboard wifi...it has onbaord wifi
[04:41] <cluelessperson> :P
[04:41] <glitchd> thats not exactly the motherboard i have
[04:42] <glitchd> i have the "x570 phantom gaming 4" version
[04:42] <tatertots> glitchd: and have you looked at the documentation yet?....and seen it includes on board wifi
[04:43] <glitchd> the box says that it can use an m.2 key e for wifi but also states that it is not included
[04:43] <tatertots> glitchd: sudo apt install inxi sosreport
[04:43] <tatertots> glitchd: let me know when done
[04:44] <cluelessperson> od, that MB says it has a slot for a wifi card, not that it has built in wifi
[04:44] <glitchd> exactly
[04:44] <glitchd> tatertots, done
[04:45] <tatertots> glitchd: in terminal>   inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[04:45] <cluelessperson> glitchd, well, it's either built into the MB, your bluetooth card, or you added a card yourself. :P
[04:46] <cluelessperson> or perhaps wifi shows up as an option, but it doesn't populate?
[04:46] <tatertots> glitchd: share url/link here, there's nothing sensitive in the url so no need to get all paranoid...if you paranoid just be patient the answers will fall in  your lap
[04:46] <glitchd> https://termbin.com/k7yn
[04:47] <Jake-abc> tatertots: I hope you're able to "ketchup" and use 19.10. Ba dum ching.
[04:47] <cluelessperson> davido_, I'll take a look at 19.10 later, thanks for the suggestion
[04:47] <tatertots> glitchd: you're NOT using wifi ...
[04:47] <tatertots> glitchd: you're hardwired to the network
[04:48] <Jake-abc> tatertots: oh, sorry, ignore that last remark.
[04:48] <glitchd> the only thing i can think of that might be giving wifi (but would make no sense) is that i have an xbox one wireless adapter to use my controller wirelessly, other than that i have no thing else plugged into the machine
[04:48] <tatertots> glitchd: via Intel I211 Gigabit Network Connection
[04:48] <tatertots> glitchd: so i'm glad we put that to bed
[04:48] <glitchd> tatertots, i know, but i have an option to use wifi, and when i enable it, it finds and connects to my wifi network
[04:48] <tatertots> glitchd: errors in human perception
[04:48] <davido_> cluelessperson: Also look at the github repo for Caffeine. Maybe you could file an Issue: https://github.com/eonpatapon/gnome-shell-extension-caffeine
[04:48] <cluelessperson> I have errors in human perception sometimes
[04:49] <davido_> Or clone and install from source to get the newest version, though it hasn't been updated in 6 months so you may already be on the latest.
[04:49] <cluelessperson> ha
[04:49] <cluelessperson> so because caribou (the on screen keyboard) comes on screen even though it's disabled, there's an extension to block it
[04:49] <cluelessperson> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1326/block-caribou/
[04:49] <glitchd> tatertots, now im connected to my wifi https://termbin.com/x11y
[04:50] <cluelessperson> glitchd, how are you determining that you're connected to wifi?
[04:50] <tatertots> glitchd: sudo sosreport
[04:50] <tatertots> glitchd: your first name=glit lastname=chd
[04:50] <glitchd> cluelessperson, by the fact that it shows connected in the system tray
[04:50] <tatertots> glitchd: press enter repeatedly until it begins
[04:51] <tatertots> glitchd: let me know when done
[04:52] <glitchd> tatertots, its running now
[04:52] <glitchd> tatertots, it just finished
[04:54] <tatertots> glitchd: sudo chown 1000:1000 /tmp/so*
[04:54] <tatertots> glitchd: you won't see anything just let me know when done
[04:54] <glitchd> tatertots, done
[04:55] <tatertots> glitchd: sudo mv /tmp/so* ~/.
[04:55] <tatertots> glitchd: you won't see anything just let me know when done
[04:55] <tatertots> glitchd: look in home folder
[04:56] <tatertots> glitchd: see it?
[04:56] <glitchd> yes
[04:56] <tatertots> glitchd: upload it to https://filebin.net
[04:57] <tatertots> glitchd: share url/link
[04:58] <glitchd> tatertots, uhhh.....i dont know about that. im not even sure what all is contained in that file, or what information it gathered from my system.
[04:59] <tatertots> glitchd: okay...duckduckgo and google are going to be your best resources...good luck
[04:59] <glitchd> tatertots, thx for the intended help
[04:59] <tatertots> glitchd: you're still hardwired to the network btw
[04:59] <glitchd> tatertots, i know.
[05:04] <cluelessperson> davido_, thanks btw.
[05:04] <cluelessperson> Jake-abc, and you.
[05:04] <cluelessperson> tatertots, and you. xD
[05:04] <Jake-abc> cluelessperson: yw.
[05:04]  * cluelessperson needs to learn c++ and help out sort these things
[05:05] <davido_> That Github repo was all JS, I think.
[05:05] <PowerTower_121> Hmm
[05:06] <Jake-abc> Can anyone recommend a channel for LAMP and/or web dev questions?
[05:07] <davido_> What does P stand for in your stack?
[05:07] <Jake-abc> davido_, php
[05:08] <davido_> Start with a php channel probably then. (P has become ambiguous these days, so I really was asking seriously) :)
[05:09] <Jake-abc> davido_ , thanks. I don't know Perl so sometimes I forget that it exists. LOL.
[05:10] <davido_> I do think your best bet is to start with #php, then (if PHP were ever a good bet -- just kidding)
[05:10] <cluelessperson> Jake-abc, I'm happy to help if I can
[05:11] <cluelessperson> Jake-abc, there's #css #design #httpd (apache)
[05:11] <Jake-abc> cluelessperson: thank you, as well. I'm happy to ask here, as well, but some people frown on such things. Hahah.
[05:12] <cluelessperson> Jake-abc, feel free to mention which channel you do ask in :P
[05:13] <Jake-abc> Well, I am using Ubuntu server, so I'll start here... if no one strenuously objects.
[05:18] <Jake-abc> I have a VPS running Ubuntu server that's on 16.04 LTS. My goal is to upgrade to 18.04 LTS. I just started a new VPS instance and restored a snapshot of the old one to the new instance. Then, I upgraded to Ubuntu 18.04. At first, PHP wasn't quite working, but it seems to be okay, now. However, when I log into phpmyadmin, I am getting a warning: "Warning in ./libraries/sql.lib.php#613 count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements
[05:18] <Jake-abc> Countable"
[05:19] <davido_> What version of PHP was running on the old vps vs the new one? Core libraries may have been restored that were specific to the older version.
[05:19] <Jake-abc> (BTW, obviously, the new VPS instance has a different IP address from the old one.)
[05:21] <Jake-abc> I'm thinking I'll keep the old VPS instance active, for the time being, anyway. But my question is whether in your experience I should cautiously move ahead with testing the new instance, or whether it would prevent a lot of headaches to just spin a new instance and install everything from scratch.
[05:21] <davido_> Option B.  You've probably got library mismatches that will be hard to sort out.
[05:22] <Jake-abc> The catch is that, of course, it could save a lot of time in config, etc., to just work from the restored instance. The main site running on the instance is using Wordpress.
[05:23] <Jake-abc> davido_, I think I was on PHP 7.0 on the old instance. Let me double-check...
[05:28] <Jake-abc> davido_: old instance is on PHP 7.0.33-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> (cli) ( NTS ), Apache/2.4.18.
[05:29] <tatertots> Jake-abc: does your VPS provider support or provide 18.04?...
[05:29] <davido_> Really I'd build it up from a clean VPS with a fresh install of PHP, then drop in the site, and install themes / plugins toward the end of the process (unless they're crucial for the site to run).  Each has its own compatibility challenges.
[05:30] <Jake-abc> tatertots: yeah, they offer 18.04, but I just restored the old snapshot (w/ 16.04) and then upgraded.
[05:31] <davido_> Or stick with what's already working. Many providers will go to great lengths to not force their users to upgrade the underlying OS without good reason.
[05:31] <Jake-abc> davido_: yeah, that's kind of what I figured, but was hoping to save some effort. LOL. Thanks for the dose of relaity.
[05:31] <davido_> I work for a VPS provider but probably not yours.
[05:32] <tatertots> Jake-abc: you could certainly burn a bunch of time and energy trying to straighten out the mess...but you should probably start fresh with a base image of 18.04 and set things up again from scratch
[05:33] <tatertots> Jake-abc: else you'll just be potentially compounding problems into problems which means a endless cycle of ?'s that only lead you to another ?
[05:33] <Jake-abc> davido_: I figured it was better to move to 18.04 right now while I was feeling motivated, rather than waiting until the last minute when support stops.
[05:34] <chieta> i have the cursor/pointer not working even... how to ?
[05:34] <Jake-abc> davido_: FYI, I use Vultr. ;)
[05:34] <chieta> it's not an arrow pointer... cross one
[05:35] <Jake-abc> tatertots: that's pretty much what I thought but wanted to check with other's who might have more experience than me. Thanks for the honest feedback.
[05:36] <davido_> We once updated 2.2M users' PHP and WP versions with almost no rise in support contacts, but it was a 6 month project getting the ducks in a row first to assure we didn't cause anyone downtime.
[05:40] <davido_> got to run. good night.
[05:41] <Jake-abc> davido_: thanks.
[05:42] <Jake-abc> I'm gonna run, too. Good night, and thanks to everyone!
[05:42] <Jake-abc> tatertots: thanks, and good night!
[05:48] <Jake-abc> Oh, wait, I'm back. One last quick question:
[05:49] <Jake-abc> tatertots: come to think of it, I'm guessing at this point, it's a better use of time to just wait until April (20.04LTS) instead of worrying about 18.04, at this point?
[06:00] <tatertots> Jake-abc: yeah if it's nothing time sensitive or mission critical....waiting isn't a bad thing
[06:01] <tomreyn> Jake-abc: upgrading from one LTS release to the next usually takes less work than upgrading across two LTS releases at once. 16.04 -> 18.04 is a big jump in server terms (netplan was introduced, systemd becomes ubiquous, amongst other), 18.04 to 20.04 will likely be less of a change. if you're motivated now, have the time, and actually see it as a learning experience, then i'd just do it now, and do it again when 20.04 releases. this way you get
[06:01] <tomreyn> twice the learning experience, and an easier upgrade path.
[06:01] <tomreyn> but tatertots is also right, it all boils down to your personal preferences.
[06:02] <Ilgaz> anything wrong at https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205237 ?
[06:02]  * Ilgaz sent a kernel bug report first time
[06:04] <OerHeks> Ilgaz,  i think a typo > 16.10 ( 19.10?)
[06:04] <Ilgaz> oops thanks
[06:05] <OerHeks> anyway, just acpi_osi= might need a value
[06:05] <Jake-abc> tatertots: thank you.
[06:05] <Jake-abc> tomreyn: thank you, as well. Good night, everyone.
[06:05] <tatertots> no prob
[06:05] <Ilgaz> OerHeks: no, it requires no value after equal sign, strangest thing ever
[06:06] <Ilgaz> If it wasn't such a strange bug, there would be 2 pages describing this workaround. I have seen 1 :-)
[06:06] <Ilgaz> I was trying to boot into linux for 3 years now
[06:07] <OerHeks> https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[06:07] <OerHeks> acpi_osi=Windows 2015 perhaps?
[06:09] <Ilgaz> What I have read is, Linux by default claims it is Windows because of these stupid vendors. When I put nothing after equal, it responds as null?
[06:10] <Ilgaz> This machine is clearly designed for Windows with dedicated Windows illumunated button, broadcom wireless etc.
[06:12] <Ilgaz> OerHeks: I notice all acpi functionality such as battery, wireless, screen backlight are fine. I shouldn't experiment any further right?
[06:12] <OerHeks> well, if it does not boot, i would try?
[06:17] <Ilgaz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qRNk9ShjPg/
[06:17] <Ilgaz> acpi output.
[06:18] <OerHeks> i would try first: acpi_osi=Windows 2013
[06:18] <tomreyn> so you'd boot with this:  acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2009"
[06:19] <tomreyn> or start with 2013, yes: acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2013"
[06:19] <OerHeks> ah, one should take the first one?
[06:19] <tomreyn> OerHeks: you're right about starting with the latest, i'm still sleepy
[06:22] <Ilgaz> OK just run the script from the page
[06:22] <Ilgaz> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2013\""
[06:23] <tomreyn> looks good
[06:23] <tomreyn> dont forget about update-grub
[06:25] <styler2go> Hi, i've set a static ip but everytime i boot up i have to login and enter "ifup eno1" before the internet is working. any ideas?
[06:26] <OerHeks> sounds like wrong static ip
[06:27] <tomreyn> styler2go: what's your ubuntu version, how did you configure it?
[06:27] <OerHeks> no gateway, or dns
[06:27] <styler2go> tomreyn, it's ubuntu 19 i think
[06:27] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | styler2go
[06:28] <styler2go>  Ubuntu 19.04 (GNU/Linux 5.0.0-31-generic x86_64)
[06:28] <styler2go> (server version so no gui)
[06:28] <Ilgaz> It didn't boot, if you don't claim any Windows, it boots. Zero feedback either, not even a cursor. I am not adding this to my kernel bug report, better not to confuse things further
[06:29] <tomreyn> Ilgaz: also try the others, though
[06:29] <OerHeks> Ilgaz, you could add that you tried this?
[06:30] <styler2go> nmcli d and nmcli c: https://p.styler2go.de/1695245
[06:30] <tomreyn> Ilgaz: for trying the others, you can just reboot now, bring up the grub menu, press "e" to edit and go to the end of the "linux" line and change it there, then boot it by pressing ctrl-x
[06:30] <Yxhuvud> So eh, the authentication required (for root) somehow got stuck on my screen while the program starting it is not running anymore (as far as I can see). Any clicks on the dialog ends up on the underlying window. Anyone know how to forcibly kill that dialog?
[06:31] <Ilgaz> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="verbose pci=biosirq acpi="
[06:31] <tomreyn> styler2go: "unmanaged". server defaults to using systemd-networkd
[06:31] <Ilgaz> That works, I am not mentioning pci=biosirq since it is a workaround for evil broadcom closed source thing
[06:32] <styler2go> tomreyn, isn't that "just" using the /etc/network/interfaces?
[06:32] <OerHeks> Yxhuvud, hold windows key, l.mouse would grab window to drag away
[06:33] <tomreyn> styler2go: no, /etc/network/interfaces is actually deprecated
[06:33] <Yxhuvud> OerHeks: still only seems to hit the underlying window.
[06:33] <styler2go> tomreyn, what's the current way
[06:33] <Ilgaz> tomreyn: Currently  even my screen backlight is adjustable with special keys, this weird machine just requires = perhaps?
[06:33] <tomreyn> !releasenotes | styler2go
[06:34] <tomreyn> Ilgaz: you will know when you tried these two more options ;)
[06:34] <Yxhuvud> That is, I can move all other windows out of the way so that it is only desktop background (and leftside bar, as it is) beneath it
[06:36] <Yxhuvud> and the dock doesn't seem to affect it - if I move it to the right side there is no difference. the dialog is still on the topleft corner.
[06:36] <OerHeks> Yxhuvud, and what program causes this?
[06:36] <Yxhuvud> Oerheks: I have no idea. It was there when I woke up this morning. It wasn't there went I went to bed.
[06:36] <tomreyn> Yxhuvud: does this list anything?   ps auxw | grep pk
[06:37] <tomreyn> other than the grep itself
[06:37] <Yxhuvud> no, only itself
[06:37] <Yxhuvud> The text description seems to point at update-manager, but it is not (currently) running
[06:37] <tomreyn> did you say which ubuntu verison this is?
[06:38] <Yxhuvud> Should be 19.10. But there was some issues while upgrading. I still have to manually restart gdm3 after boot, so there are some weirdness.
[06:39] <styler2go> tomreyn, using netplan yaml config it works now, even after reboot. thanks for the network/interfaces hint
[06:39] <tomreyn> Yxhuvud: it will either be something from policykit (sometimes abbreviated 'pk') or something like sudo
[06:40] <tomreyn> styler2go: nice, you're welcome
[06:41] <tomreyn> Ilgaz: had you looked for a bios upgrade, too?
[06:41] <Yxhuvud> tomreyn: hmm, but I do find some policykit stuff when I do ps. I'll look into what those are.
[06:44] <tomreyn> Yxhuvud: something else you can do it to move all windows below this prompt out of the way, then run    ps auxw;xkill    in a temrinal, then click on the prompt to kill the process which created it. you'll then see the process id it had in your terminal and can look it up on the "ps auxw" output to understand what this process was.
[06:47] <tomreyn> Ilgaz: oh you have the latest already.
[06:48] <Yxhuvud> Interesting. Doesn't seem to register as a window though - clicking on the dialog, including on the cancel button which actually react on hover, behaves the same as clickon on desktop
[06:50] <tomreyn> Yxhuvud: hmm that's maybe just a window manager issue then as a result of the failed / incomplete upgrade you mentioned. did you try to complete the upgrade, yet?
[06:51] <tomreyn> Yxhuvud: alternatively, you could do a fresh install now that 19.10 is released
[06:53] <Yxhuvud> I cleaned up the packages that didn't want to upgrade and as far as I can see everything seems to think everything is in order and I havn't managed to find a command that actually wants to upgrade. I suppose I can wait a while until new versions of packages come out - that has fixed similar issues (to the nonstarting dm) in the past.
[06:53] <Furai> Hey, is there any way right now to still upgrade from 17.04 to LTS or even 19.10? I had a laptop lying around and now it seems I'm locked out.
[06:53] <entropygain> does any1 know where I can get some nightly docker containers for the latest nightly builds on ubuntu?
[06:54] <OerHeks> Furai, 17.04 > 17.10 ( also EOL) > 18.04 ?? i would backup data and reinstall
[06:55] <tomreyn> Yxhuvud: so   apt update    reports no errors or warnings and    apt full-upgrade    reports neither errors nor warnings and also says that no packages are held back or pending?
[06:55] <tomreyn> Yxhuvud: you'd need to run those with sudo, i didn't point this out
[06:56] <Yxhuvud> right
[06:56] <ClawOfLight> Hi! Does anyone have experience with converting a GPT Bios system to UEFI? Apparently my mobo decided to boot the installer in csm mode, and I didn't realize until now.
[06:57] <Yxhuvud> that is, right - no warnings. Anyhow, thanks for your time. I'll have to go to work now. Will dig more into it this evening or tomorrow or so.
[06:57] <Furai> OerHeks, that's what i figured out after searching the net. Though I still wanted to ask hese.
[06:58] <Furai> here*
[06:58] <Furai> Thanks.
[06:58] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: probably here https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu/
[06:58] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: sorry that wasnt for you
[06:59] <tomreyn> entropygain: probably here https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu/
[07:00] <entropygain> tomreyn: when looking at the tags the last updated is 2 months ago
[07:02] <tomreyn> there is also https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/minimal/daily/ which seems to be the source for those, but i don't know the process which is used to transform those into docker images.
[07:04] <tomreyn> entropygain: actually the web page i pointed you to initially states those are built from https://partner-images.canonical.com/core/ - so i don't know.
[07:07] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: the only way i know is to boot into another system, such as the installer / live system, in uefi mode, then mount file systems (including virtual file systems) as needed and chroot into the previosu installation and install the packages required for uefi booting, and regenrate the initramfs.
[07:08] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: so if it's a fresh installation, and you won't loose data (you can't easily backup beforehand), you may actually want to just reinstall while booted in uefi mode instead.
[07:15] <dzragon> How to solve this https://imgur.com/a/hEVwrTK
[07:15] <ClawOfLight> tomreyn: I have enough stuff setup that it would be nice to keep the system if possible, but I'm also just really curious about this now that I thought about it :)
[07:15] <dzragon> too many redirects
[07:16] <dzragon> happened to v18 earlier, but not any longer, 18 and 19 works fine, just 16 that shows too many redirects when downloading using torrent
[07:17] <ClawOfLight> I found this: https://serverfault.com/questions/963178/how-do-i-convert-my-linux-disk-from-mbr-to-gpt-with-uefi, which looks promising. I'm now learning how to resize LVM PVs and the underlying partition in order to make room for the ESP.
[07:21] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: i'm not sure whether step 14 can succeed while not booted in uefi mode, but it's certainly worth a try.
[07:24] <dzragon> could "too many redirects" have anything to do with that i have DHT disabled in my utorrent client?
[07:24] <tommy``> hi, there is a way to remove the infinite xdg-open keep asking me what to do with a magnet link?
[07:25] <entropygain> tomreyn: ty
[07:27] <akemhp_> dzragon, I think not. This is Utorrent?
[07:28] <dzragon> utorrent, windows torrent client
[07:28] <akemhp_> dzragon, You should probably ask Utorrent forum or channel if they have one.
[07:28] <dzragon> yeah
[07:29] <akemhp_> dzragon, Why do you have DHT disabled?
[07:30] <dzragon> akemhp_: https://imgur.com/a/oEnAquK
[07:30] <dzragon> Because its not allowed where i usually download things.
[07:31] <dzragon> I just found it weird that all other Linux isos i have downloaded from their respective sites, all work.
[07:32] <dzragon> Downloading the iso from ftp / http works fine though.
[07:33] <akemhp_> Not allowed? I can't see how/why. But yeah i don't know why your Ubuntu 16.04 torrents are stuck anyway...
[07:34] <ClawOfLight> tomreyn: I resized the PV and underlying primary partition. Does this change the UUID of my root partition, which is an LVM partition under that PV?
[07:34] <OerHeks> dzragon, so it is a windows issue, torrenting on ipv6?
[07:34] <ClawOfLight> 'cause I would really like to be able to reboot safely^^
[07:34] <dzragon> OerHeks: Could be. Ill try it in Linux with some client and let you know.
[07:35] <OerHeks> my bet it is a ipv6 thing, logically
[07:37] <tommy``> any of you have answer to that? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58035471/xdg-open-without-an-option-to-remember
[07:37] <tommy``> i have the same issue
[07:37] <tommy``> but on 18.04.3
[07:37] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: file system UUIDs (which i think is what you're wonfering about) change when file systems change. so if you resized an LV *with the -r / --resize option* or resized a file system directly, you'll need to update the UUID in fstab (if any) to match what blkid reports.
[07:38] <dzragon> OerHeks: https://imgur.com/a/Sgne9JC And of course it worked. Hah, thanks. I was going to try that next, but you hurried me on.
[07:39] <dzragon> Must be that i setup ipv6 on my Edgerouter4
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: i think we noticed a recent xdg-open bug recently, can you check if its your case? bug #1848335
[07:40] <tommy``> ok ubottu
[07:40] <ClawOfLight> tomreyn: I see. Luckily the VG had enough unallocated space, so I didn't shrink any LVs, only the PV.
[07:41] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: are you asking whether i can repro it?
[07:42] <tommy``> ubottu: this should a be a solution? https://support.google.com/chrome/forum/AAAAP1KN0B0y8gzy87Z3j8/?hl=uk
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: oops sorry, wrong highlight
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> that was for tommy``
[07:42] <tomreyn> oh ok ;)
[07:43] <ClawOfLight> I assume blkid doesn't show the correct partuuids since the old partition table is still in place, but hopefully it would catch if a filesystem uuid had changed?
[07:43] <ClawOfLight> s/in place/in effect/
[07:43] <tommy``> ah ok sorry lotuspsychje :D
[07:44] <tommy``> i didn't see any bug, i only noticed that xdg-open continues to ask me if i want add magnet link
[07:44] <tommy``> and there isn't the possibility to store the choice
[07:45] <nubonix> does anyone know how i can route all my tcp traffic to a socks proxy? looking for something similar to proxifier
[07:46] <nubonix> tried this, but no config files are created... https://github.com/MohithReddy2439/Proxifier-For-Linux
[07:47] <nubonix> need something like a daemon as a failsafe...so using something like proxychains i dont believe will be helpful
[07:47] <dzragon> OerHeks: Hm, its not ipv6 or at least, ipv6 doesnt work in qbittorrent either, it shows it as disabled in qbittorrent. But the download works and worked directly as it was added with full speed almost which is all that matters to me at the moment.
[07:48] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: blkid would show changed file system uuids, and also changes partuuid, i would think,. are you saying that the partuuid changed unexpectedly?
[07:48] <OerHeks> dzragon, torrents and direct downloads have a different source
[07:48] <OerHeks> not comparible
[07:49] <ClawOfLight> tomreyn: I don't think it did. The FS UUID definitely matches my fstab.
[07:49] <dzragon> could be useful to find out why it didnt work in utorrent though (2.2.1 version), but im guessing if someone wants to download the isos quickly and they are in windows, they just pull the latest utorrent which probably works (dont know, but 2.2.1 is like 10 years old)
[07:49] <dzragon> OerHeks: yeah
[07:50] <dzragon> so it might be that the number or users that would get that problem are so limited its not worth finding out :D like just me, one :D
[07:50] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: sounds good to me.
[07:50] <ClawOfLight>  tomreyn: is there anything other I should sweat about? I didn't touch any FS, resized the PV to be shorter, resized the underlying partition to be shorter (but with some buffer for error). FS UUID matches.
[07:53] <tomreyn> if you left a buffer between the partition boundaries and the next layer, the PV boundaries, then then you may want to just pvresize again so it'll take the full available space of the partition and not waste any.
[07:54] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: ^ the other thing you should care about is that the root "hints" in /boot/grub/grub.cfg are still up to date
[07:55] <tomreyn> so you may need to update-grub
[07:55] <tomreyn> those hints can contain lvmid's which may have changed.
[07:55] <ClawOfLight> I don't care about the buffer right now, I can spare that.
[07:55] <ClawOfLight> Okay, I will run that!
[07:56] <ClawOfLight> Where can I find the lvmids to compare?
[07:57] <tommy``> lotuspsychje: https://superuser.com/questions/1280184/google-chrome-linux-xdg-open-keep-asking-me-forever-what-to-do-with-magnet-l
[07:57] <tommy``> but i'm using chromium
[07:57] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: pvdisplay, vgdisplay, lvdisplay
[07:58] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: actually the pv uuid won't be there, just the vg uuid and lv uuid
[08:00] <ClawOfLight> tomreyn: thanks, I was getting worried!
[08:00] <ClawOfLight> Do I need to lvscan and vgscan before comparing? Right now, everything I find in grub.cfg matches.
[08:01] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: no need to rescan, those are updated on the fly for any active pv'S
[08:01] <tomreyn> * for any active physical volume.
[08:03] <ClawOfLight> Good to know! I knew it would be worth trying this, I've already learned a lot from it :P
[08:04] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: me, too ;) PV UUIDs aren't required for booting, just a reference to their underlying layer.
[08:09] <ClawOfLight> tomreyn: ok... rebooting now.
[08:13] <ClawOfLight>  10:12:50 up 1 min,  1 user,  load average: 3.58, 1.40, 0.51
[08:14] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: welcome back.
[08:16] <ClawOfLight> tomreyn: it's a server, I would have been able to scream for help :P Thanks a bunch!  I'll get some work done now and then try that guide starting from step 6. If you stick around, I'll tell you when I continue :)
[08:17] <ClawOfLight> I'd also buy you a beer some time, but I assume you're too far away from Austria?
[08:18] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: thanks. you're welcome to give a donation to someone in the streets instead, i'd appreciate that.
[08:19] <ClawOfLight> Will do!
[08:25] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: thanks. i can't say whether i'll be here later, though, but feel free to try.
[08:28] <ClawOfLight> Well, what's your TZ / what do you expect? I can at least try to have you around :)
[08:31] <tomreyn> ClawOfLight: TZ is the same as yours, but presence may vary.
[08:32] <ClawOfLight> ok.
[08:35] <iklucas> If I understood it right this is the IRC to ask questions regarding ubuntu. Hopefully I
[08:35] <iklucas> Sorry, bad start didn't intend to send it already.
[08:36] <tomreyn> iklucas: no worries, and yes, this is the ubuntu IRC support channel.
[08:36] <OerHeks> iklucas, welcome
[08:42] <iklucas> Thanks! Apparently shift-enter / enter posts directly. I have a question regarding upgrading ubuntu to 19.10. Today i started the upgrade through command line and it got quite far, but as for the grub part it asked me what to do as I have some different distros installed. However I decided to have a look at the diff between the different grub
[08:42] <iklucas> versions. So i got into the difference comparisson/diff. However when I got out of it i returned to the normal terminal, thus the upgrade didnt continue anymore. The thing is, after trying some things i closed the terminal, but now it won't open anymore (probably because it needs a restart to get into the new version of ubuntu. Now i'm a bit in
[08:42] <iklucas> doubt whether I should just restart my computer or that I should give some try through control + F functions to still get a terminal and find a way to continue the upgrade.
[08:45] <tomreyn> iklucas: you couldn't start the upgrade, yet, since those aren't supported, yet. that's unless you passed along a flag to override what's supported and take the unsupported in-development upgrade path
[08:48] <iklucas> tomreyn: I see, yes I'm afraid i added the -d tag. I'll have a look at what just restarting gives me. Sorry for the bothering!
[08:51] <tomreyn> iklucas: you didn't bother, this is a support channel. ;)
[08:52] <tomreyn> iklucas: run this in a terminal: screen -x
[08:59] <sleepymario> hello, i'm trying to install ubuntu on efi where the efi (and boot) directories are mdadm raid1s. This is the error i'm gettings when installing grub: 'grub-install: error: disk `md126' not found.' Anyone any idea?
[08:59] <sleepymario> this is when install using debootstrap btw
[09:01] <tomreyn> don't put the efi system partition on raid. your mainboard firmware will likel ynot be able to find, or will break the raid coherence when writing to it.
[09:01] <tomreyn> well not software raid anyways
[09:03] <tomreyn> fakeraid might work, hardware raid may work, too (may depend on how the firmware handles it)
[09:03] <OerHeks> i was just reading https://implement.pt/2018/08/uefi-via-software-raid-with-mdadm-ubuntu-16-04/
[09:07] <tomreyn> still, the firmware won't understand mdadm raid. it will be able to read the data if it successfully ignores the mdadm metadata, and if it'll write to it the array will be degraded and will require a mnaully triggered rebuild.
[09:09] <tomreyn> IIRC mdadm 1.0 metadata is at the end of each device only, so reading from it can work, though.
[09:15] <sleepymario> tomreyn: okay, how about boot on ext4? will that work?
[09:15] <sleepymario> i'll just skip the efi partition then.
[09:17] <zamba> i have terrible desktop performance in ubuntu.. especially when doing any kind of disk i/o
[09:18] <tomreyn> sleepymario: /boot can be on ext4, the firmware doesn't need to interact with it. just /boot/efi (the efi system partition) needs to be readable and potentially writable by firmware.
[09:19] <zamba> it's ridiculously slow
[09:19] <tomreyn> !smartctl | zamba: bad / broken disk? check
[09:19] <sleepymario> tomreyn: okay, thanks.
[09:19] <tomreyn> !smart | zamba: bad / broken disk? check
[09:19] <zamba> tomreyn: it's been like this since day #1, so i don't think so
[09:19] <zamba> tomreyn: it's also an SSD, but i'll check
[09:22] <tomreyn> zamba: check for availability of ssd firmware upgrades, too, and review journalctl to ensure the ssd is properly connected / transferring at its full bandwith.
[09:28] <eipip1e0> is there anything to do after changing sources.list?
[09:28] <eipip1e0> to make it effect?
[09:29] <eipip1e0> effective
[09:31] <OerHeks> eipip1e0, no, just run apt update
[09:31] <OerHeks> i hope you did not change sources from disco to eoan ..
[09:33] <ClawOfLight> OerHeks: I mean, that's how you would do it on debian :P
[09:33] <ClawOfLight> (but also read the upgrade notes first...)
[09:33] <tomreyn> zamba: if you need help with this, post   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999    for us to look at (but i'm currently helping someone else so i may not personally be able to look at your log soon, but others may)
[09:33] <OerHeks> sure, but not supported on ubuntu, think about manually installed stuff, drivers, ppa's
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> zamba: your ubuntu version and kernel could also be useful
[09:35] <ClawOfLight> yeah. eipip1e0: to upgrade, you should use do-release-upgrade. also, don't upgrade to 19.10 yet.
[09:36] <OerHeks> not sure that upgrade path is released yet?
[09:42] <tomreyn> wget -qO- http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release | grep -q '^Dist: eoan$' && echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is now available!' || echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is not available, yet.'
[09:49] <ClawOfLight> It isn't, but he should still learn how to upgrade instead of changin the sources.
[09:49] <OerHeks> it would give the option in an updates-run
[09:50] <OerHeks> easy peasy
[09:50] <OerHeks> but that is a nice oneliner, tom
[09:50] <tomreyn> hope it works, too ;)
[10:31] <radkos> can I set systemd to restart in case one of child's (forked) processes are dead?
[10:31] <radkos> systemd config now is with Type=forked
[10:54] <statusfailed> I just upgraded my 19.04 install to 19.10, and I'm having an issue: the backlight isn't working properly (the device is called "acpi_video0", and the max_brightness is 49, which is pretty dark).
[10:54] <statusfailed> But when I boot a 19.10 live USB, it works fine - it even recognises the devicee properly (amdgpu_0 or something like that)
[10:54] <statusfailed> and the brightness works
[10:54] <statusfailed> is there a way to make my upgraded 19.10 install exactly the same as the livecd 19.10?
[10:56] <statusfailed> or should I just wipe + reinstall
[11:02] <akemhp_> Hey, Any idea why streaming video would have some lag glitch every 2 minutes when the laptop lid is closed (connected via HDMI) but not when it's open? (Cinammon desktop...)
[11:02] <akemhp_> Streaming on the local net i mean.
[11:11] <akemhp_> In fact it looks like i have the same little lag with regular Gnome, only when the lid is closed :/
[11:14] <eipip1e0> 129 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
[11:15] <eipip1e0> what does this mean?
[11:15] <yeats> eipip1e0: what's unclear about that?
[11:15] <eipip1e0> does this mean upgrade from 19.04 to 19.10?
[11:16] <yeats> eipip1e0: no - those are individual packages that need upgrading
[11:16] <yeats> eipip1e0: Ubuntu doesn't automatically upgrade you between releases - that's always a manual thing
[11:16] <eipip1e0> those packages have newer versions?
[11:17] <yeats> eipip1e0: yes - packages are continually upgraded
[11:18] <eipip1e0> just 'sudo apt upgrade'?
[11:18] <OerHeks> apt full-upgrade
[11:18] <eipip1e0> no see how much disks needed
[11:19] <eipip1e0> what 'apt update' does?
[11:19] <eipip1e0> update repo information?
[11:19] <yeats> eipip1e0: helpful maybe: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/apt.html
[11:19] <OerHeks> no idea, apt will give a warning if there is not enough space
[11:20] <yeats> it should report the amount of space it will need before you agree to move forward with package upgrades
[11:21] <OerHeks> indeed, else use the -d dryrun option
[11:22] <eipip1e0> no 'apt full-upgrade' at the page above.
[11:22] <eipip1e0> apt upgrade seems what to do next
[11:23] <yeats> eipip1e0: type 'man apt' and you'll see all the options and what they do
[11:23] <yeats> eipip1e0: apt full-upgrade is usually what you want
[11:24] <yeats> eipip1e0: it basically means "upgrade all installed packages, including removing packages if necessary"
[11:24] <OerHeks> !dist-upgrade # basicly the same
[11:25] <OerHeks> !distupgrade # basicly the same
[11:25] <yeats> heh - apparently ubottu doesn't remember that one :-)
[11:26] <OerHeks> hmm it does not accept a comment
[11:26] <OerHeks> !distupgrade
[11:30] <eipip1e0> dpkg: warning: version '5.0.9-301.fc30.x86_64' has bad syntax: invalid character in revision number
[11:31] <OerHeks> interesting, fedora?
[11:31] <OerHeks> not supported here, dude
[11:33] <eipip1e0> i have no idea
[11:33] <eipip1e0> i am now on lubuntu
[11:34] <OerHeks> that error does not come frum lubuntu
[11:34] <eipip1e0> why is that happening?
[11:35] <jeremy31> Where did you get that kernel from?
[11:35] <OerHeks> interesting, only you can tell us
[11:36] <eipip1e0> that is the kernel?
[11:37] <jophish> How many people use Unity with a recent Ubuntu?
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> jophish: we dont really take polls here
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | jophish
[11:37] <eipip1e0> now apt upgrade is done. can i do apt full-upgrade again now?
[11:37] <OerHeks> jophish, there are not stats, sorry
[11:38] <jophish> lotuspsychje: sorry, I was asking for general usage numbers, not amongst the users of this channel
[11:38] <jophish> OerHeks: right, thanks
[11:38] <eipip1e0> hmmm, 'apt upgrade' probes other OSs and updated grub2 at the end!
[11:38] <jophish> well, my specific question is: Is it possible to use unity-desktop on a recent ubuntu and have a good time
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> jophish: unity can still be installed, as a users choice
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> yes
[11:39] <jophish> great!
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-unity-desktop | jophish
[11:40] <eipip1e0> jeremy31: i have a fedora on another partition, isolated
[11:40] <jophish> cool, in that case it's time to remember how to take and restore a btrfs snapshot and to the upgrade
[11:40] <eipip1e0> jeremy31: no idea why this happened
[11:41] <eipip1e0> OerHeks: now apt upgrade is done. can i do apt full-upgrade again now?
[11:44] <yeats> eipip1e0: yes
[11:44] <yeats> eipip1e0: you can repeat it without issues
[11:45] <yeats> eipip1e0: it may not do anything though if there weren't any packages that needed to be removed to resolve dependencies during 'apt upgrade'
[11:46] <eipip1e0> yeats: just several warnings. everything else seems ok.
[11:54] <yeats> eipip1e0: if you want to share the warning via pastebin, please do and someone can assist
[11:54] <tarzeau> great! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[11:54] <tarzeau> nobody hates the snap enforcement on chromium-browser - only me?
[11:55] <Peanut> Hi - changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release isn't showing the new release yet, so 'do-release-upgrade' doesn't see the 19.10 release. Does anyone know when that should happen?
[12:00] <eipip1e0> yeats: i can get why the warnings for the bad syntax now, those are produced by grubs update script.
[12:02] <OerHeks> Peanut, upgrade path is not at the same date as the iso release, usually a few days later
[12:02] <OerHeks> wget -qO- http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release | grep -q '^Dist: eoan$' && echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is now available!' || echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is not available, yet.'
[12:08] <Peanut> OerHeks: Thanks (bedankt). Thought it would be a nice Friday afternoon activity to upgrade my work desktop, but I'll wait till next week then.
[12:10] <OerHeks> Peanut, *if* you cannot wait, use the  "update-manager -c -d" option for now, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes
[12:10] <OerHeks> this delay gives us some time to detect upgrade issues, so please report any!
[12:11] <OerHeks> backup data and prepare a fresh usb with 19.10, and have fun!
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:30] <aresminos> Heya
[12:44] <GreyXor> Hi everyone, how can i upgrade Ubuntu server to 19.10 ? do-release-upgrade tell me there is no upgrade available
[12:45] <geirha> from what release? 19.04? or 18.04?
[12:46] <OerHeks> GreyXor, there is no upgrade path yet, use  "update-manager -c -d"  option for now, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes
[12:46] <GreyXor> geirha, 19.04
[12:46] <OerHeks> this delay gives us some time to detect upgrade issues, so please report any!
[12:47] <GreyXor> -d is vor dev version no ? i want stable release
[12:48] <mgedmin> then you can wait a couple of days for the upgrade path to be declared stable
[12:48] <GreyXor> ah ok thanks :)
[12:48] <OerHeks> GreyXor, then wait for the upgrade release. the -d gives 19.10, no longer in development, you are just subject of testing
[12:48] <GreyXor> Yes it's ok i can test it
[12:48] <OerHeks> backup data and prepare a fresh usb with 19.10, and have fun!
[12:49] <mgedmin> where would I go to look for already-known upgrade bugs?
[12:52] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=eoan
[13:06] <murthy> what does the "c" parameter in "sudo do-release-upgrade -c -d" do?
[13:07] <ryuo> huh. curious. a device with an AR6004 chipset but no firmware in bionic... seems it's not supplied by any firmware packages. i'll need to research it later.
[13:07] <murthy> I have checked the man but I can't find info about it
[13:07] <ryuo> there's no man for it.
[13:08] <ryuo> oh.
[13:08] <ryuo> i don't have that installed. doh.
[13:08] <OerHeks> 'ath6kl' usb/sdio https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/ath6kl
[13:11] <ryuo> OerHeks: that's the thing. the firmware isn't in the upstream repo.
[13:11] <ryuo> i'll need to investigate further, but right now it's recharging.
[13:12] <OerHeks> https://github.com/qca/ath6kl-firmware/find/master
[13:12] <OerHeks> not sure why it is not in the repos
[13:12] <ryuo> hw3.0? i think that was it.
[13:12] <OerHeks> jups
[13:13] <ryuo> it's an old venue 5130, baytrail tablet. uses the AR6004.
[13:13] <ryuo> oddly it uses a 64 bit efi. i was expecting it to have 32 bit.
[13:14] <mgedmin> ryuo: do-release-upgrade doesn't take a -c argument
[13:14] <ryuo> anyway i'll give that a try once it's recharged. right now the charger can only charge it while it's off. i need to get the real one.
[13:14] <ryuo> mgedmin: murthy asked, not me.
[13:14] <mgedmin> augh sorry ryo, murthy
[13:14] <murthy> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-19-10
[13:15] <ryuo> are people in such a rush to answer that they don't read the context?
[13:15]  * ryuo boggles.
[13:15] <murthy> It was mentioned in that post, that I can upgrade to 19.10 right away using that command
[13:15] <mgedmin> murthy: somebody made a typo?  the command to do desktop upgrades with the gui is update-manager -c -d; the server command is do-release-upgrade -d
[13:15] <mgedmin> murthy: -c for update-manager means "check for distro upgrades instead of package updates"
[13:16] <mgedmin> murthy: -d for both mean "don't wait for 19.10 upgrades to be declared safe by Canonical, upgrade anyway"
[13:16] <murthy> mgedmin: oh, why it is not mentioned in man pages
[13:16] <mgedmin> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/disco/en/man8/do-release-upgrade.8.html mentions -d
[13:16] <ryuo> not everything will necessarily be in the manual. sometimes things are undocumented for a reason.
[13:16] <murthy> mgedmin: no i mean "c"
[13:16] <ph0rze> Anyone familiar with Root on ZFS ? upgrading to 19.10 fails for me. Syntax error in /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new it seems
[13:16] <mgedmin> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/disco/en/man8/update-manager.8.html mentions both -c and -d
[13:17] <ryuo> ph0rze: you may need to do a clean install for that. afaik that still isn't officially supportd.
[13:17] <mgedmin> do-release-upgrade doesn't take a -c, as I mentioned; the omgubuntu post made a mistake
[13:17] <murthy> mgedmin: oh then its ok
[13:17] <mgedmin> somebody should tell them
[13:18] <ph0rze> @ryou ok, figures. thanks. there's no official support in the server installer either right?
[13:18] <murthy> ryuo, mgedmin thank you both
[13:18] <ryuo> ph0rze: i heard there's attempts to add it, but i wouldn't expect it to be available anytime soon.
[13:18] <ryuo> maybe next LTS?
[13:19] <ryuo> ph0rze: i installed my ZFS on root via debootstrap.
[13:20] <ph0rze> ryuo i will attempt a clean install
[13:21] <ryuo> OerHeks: something else i need to figure out. the power button on this tablet just triggers the standard shutdown options coming up, but i would prefer it to just turn the screen off. any ideas if it can be configured to only do the normal default after a long hold of the button or so?
[13:21] <ph0rze> ryuo https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-18.04-Root-on-ZFS
[13:21] <ph0rze> was what i used
[13:22] <ph0rze> it uses debootstrap, maybe it will work for 19.10
[13:22] <ryuo> yes... ZFS is usually best used on the LTS. using it with random kernels can be a problem.
[13:23] <Ilgaz> I was dreaming Apple would adopt ZFS for Mac and put an end to upgrading the FS forever
[13:23] <zamba> hi! i'm having issues getting a second monitor connected over dvi working over a nvidia geforce gt 710
[13:24] <zamba> i have tried different drivers, but none of them works
[13:24] <zamba> 'nvidia-smi' outputs the card and i can see the driver version there
[13:25] <zamba> i tried running nvidia-xconfig and that created a configuration file in /etc/X11/, but after entering username and password through gdm3 i'm just thrown back to the login prompt
[13:33] <Ilgaz> If you go back to login prompt it is likely a crash
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> zamba: ubuntu version? kernel version? driver versions tested?
[13:35] <Ilgaz> There seems to be "X Diagnostics" which may be installed as default. Also unless you try to keep up pure GNU OS, I'd install latest driver from Nvidia
[13:35] <zamba> ubuntu 18.04.3 - 5.0.0-31-generic - tried most drivers available through apt
[13:36] <Ilgaz> Unlike ATI, they suggest using their own closed source drivers
[13:36] <zamba> but specifically now, i've tried the 390 and the nouveau driver
[13:36] <ph0rze> ryuo You are on 18.04 LTS?
[13:36] <ryuo> ph0rze: yes.
[13:38] <ph0rze> ryuo Ok might be better to wait, again. Rolling back will be peanuts because of snapshots though :)
[13:57] <enyc> Hrrm, have installed 19.10 ... can't see how ot change overall gtx theme / appearance  in 19.10  gnome shell
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> enyc: install gnome-tweak-tool for easy theme switching
[13:57] <mgedmin> enyc: gnome-tweaks has a page for selecting themes
[13:58] <mgedmin> (gnome-tweak-tool is the old name; it's now a transitional package that pulls in gnome-tweaks)
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> tnx mgedmin
[14:00] <OerHeks> nice guide, https://itsfoss.com/gnome-shell-extensions/
[14:05] <Rboreal_Frippery> Hey all, I want to disable the laptop sound card completely while still allowing to use a bluetooth audio device, is this possible? I started with $ lsmod | grep snd , but there are a huge amount of results, how can I know what to blacklist? https://bpaste.net/show/eLcN
[14:08] <enyc> lotuspsychje, mgedmin : aha! thankyous ...  I'm looking to (you could consider this inadvisable, i don't know)  configure mcmojave  and other OSX-like-behaviours  as much as possible..  try this out on a thinkpad with a  mac-os-x / mojave user
[14:08] <OerHeks> No, i think it is not possible, as BT wants your audiocard to process the bits.
[14:28] <uRock> Having a weird issue with VirtualBox. While installing a VM, if I click into another app, then I can not click back into the VM. I have to kill it and restart the VM and the install process. It's happened several times over the past few weeks.
[14:29] <uRock> Host is Ubuntu 18.04.3
[14:29] <Rboreal_Frippery> why U bros remove leafpad from 19.04 repos :(((
[14:31] <uRock> Rboreal_Frippery, because Debian did
[14:31] <mgedmin> it was abandoned upstream and buggy, so it was remoed from Debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=913765
[14:31] <OerHeks> dropped by Debian and now also from Ubuntu
[14:31] <ClawOfLight> tomreyn: I didn't continue with GRUB yet, but I've been reading a bit - looks like grub-install --removable might help me: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#UEFI_systems
[14:31] <uRock> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=leafpad
[14:31] <OerHeks> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=913765
[14:31] <OerHeks> tons of alternatives though
[14:31] <uRock> Gedit is my fav
[14:31] <ioria> Rboreal_Frippery, it's a snap now; you can install from there
[14:32] <Rboreal_Frippery> yall have another suggestion for a gui text viewer for very large files? that was the best one that never lagged for me
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> +1 ioria
[14:32] <uRock> Rboreal_Frippery, I've always prefered Gedit
[14:32] <Rboreal_Frippery> gedit chokes on huge files
[14:32] <mgedmin> hmm
[14:32] <ioria> Rboreal_Frippery, snap install leafpad or use mousepad
[14:33] <ClawOfLight> if you have the QT stack, kate is really good
[14:33] <Rboreal_Frippery> mousepad for inside the computer? what is this...
[14:33] <geirha> uRock: does the guest have the guest additions installed? perhaps mismatched version
[14:33] <mgedmin> I've used vim on log files with a couple gigabytes of text, but (a) it wasn't very snappy, just usable, and (b) vim has an infamously steep learning curve
[14:33] <OerHeks> vim, emacs ..
[14:33] <geirha> uRock: oh missed the "while installing" part, nevermind
[14:33] <uRock> geirha, I have the problem before I get far enough into the install
[14:33] <uRock> no problem
[14:34] <uRock> I just let the install finish and forced it to poweroff.
[14:34] <ioria> !info mousepad | Rboreal_Frippery
[14:34] <geirha> uRock: turing off mouse integration might help
[14:35] <uRock> will try that, thanks
[14:35] <Rboreal_Frippery> both mousepad and kate look promising, thanks for the suggestions folks!
[14:35] <ioria> kate wants a tons of kde libs
[14:36] <Rboreal_Frippery> I already have plasma
[14:36] <ioria> ah, ok
[14:37] <uRock> geirha, I'll have to try that during the next time I install a VM. It's not a problem after the first reboot.
[14:47] <uRock> I've found that VirtualBox keeps doing that until guest additions are installed. Very weird.
[14:49] <OerHeks> oh, forgot about guest additions
[14:49] <OerHeks> yes, then you miss the controls and more
[14:54] <uRock> OerHeks, yeah, it didn't start until after reinstalling Xubuntu a couple of months ago. I thought it was bad ISOs for a while then realized it doesn't matter which guest OS I am trying to use. I guess I'll have to keep it as the front window during installs until there's an updated version of VBox.
[14:59] <tommy``> which are the drivers for macbook airport?
[15:00] <tommy``> dmesg | grep b43 i thought
[15:15] <geirha> uRock: tapping the Host key doesn't help?
[15:16] <uRock> Nope
[15:17] <uRock> I made it past the install and such now, so I won't be able to try anything else until next time.
[15:30] <zacktu> I've been using ssh for my home network.  Now it times out.  How do I see error messages?
[15:32] <OerHeks> grep 'sshd' /var/log/auth.log # on the serverside
[15:32] <zacktu> Thanks OerHeks
[15:36] <zacktu> OerHeks; sshd log shows "Received SIGHUP; restarting." and "Server listening on <IP_ADDRESS> port 22."
[15:37] <mgedmin> any firewalls between the client and the server?
[15:37] <zacktu> mgedmin: I don't know of any firewalls
[15:38] <pragomer> Hi I want to use the command gst-launch that should be part of the gstreamer package, but it isnt. Any idea what happend to this package gst-launch in 18.04 ?
[15:40] <mgedmin> pragomer: I think it's called gst-launch-1.0 now, for some reason
[15:41] <uRock> Anyone know when this is supposed to be updated to include 19.10? http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[15:42] <mgedmin> "in a couple of days"
[15:42] <uRock> thanks
[15:42] <dax> uRock: there's a delay until the release team is happy that any initial issues have been flushed out by new installations
[15:42] <uRock> k, thanks dax
[15:42] <dax> (and until the initial round of updates and fixes is done)
[15:58] <lordcirth> I booted 19.10 in a VM, and chose ZFS, and the username / hostname page doesn't let me type. It's not frozen, it's just not registering keys
[15:59] <lordcirth> Keys work on tty2
[16:03] <mgedmin> oh my, I don't rememebr update-manager showing me ncurses dialogs in the terminal widget during previous upgrades
[16:04] <mgedmin> (although I used do-release-upgrade on my laptop for the past couple of years, after a fun experience when update-manager killed my GUI session halfway through the upgrade and I had to recover on tty3)
[16:07] <lordcirth> Hmm, I rebooted it and it works now?
[16:10] <ThetaBetaLambda> Anyone actually have do-release-upgrade report the new update without using the -d option yet?
[16:11] <dax> no, which is normal
[16:12] <dax> the upgrade tools don't offer new versions until they've been out for a bit and people are happy that there aren't any initial critical bugs that need fixing
[16:13] <mgedmin> haha it's funny how my desktop wallpaper just faded to black while update-manager was removing obsolete packagees (which include ubuntu-wallpapers-disco)
[16:13] <ThetaBetaLambda> Gotcha, good to know. Thanks!
[16:16] <donaldkbrown> Hey all. I've got a quick question. I've got 5 IPs assigned to my server through my ISP. I've got a VM running on that server at <IP_ADDRESS>. How can I forward all traffic from one of those 5 public IPs to the internal VM?
[16:17] <donaldkbrown> The host and the VM are both running up-to-date Ubuntu 18.04 server.
[16:26] <tatertots> donaldkbrown: in the west, that type of thing is usually only available to commercial/business internet packages, not the consumer/residential internet
[16:26] <donaldkbrown> It is a business line.
[16:26] <tatertots> donaldkbrown: that's what i figured
[16:27] <tatertots> donaldkbrown: and your Ubuntu is physically connected to the network and not using wifi right
[16:27] <donaldkbrown> Correct.
[16:28] <tatertots> donaldkbrown: one end of the ethernet cable is plugged into your Ubuntu.....the other end of that same wire is plugged into??????
[16:29] <tatertots> donaldkbrown: is it a mystery?
[16:30] <tatertots> wall outlet
[16:30] <donaldkbrown> A commercial switch. Which is then connected to a modem given by the ISP. Right now, I can SSH on any address in the <IP_ADDRESS>/29 range it goes to the server.
[16:32] <tatertots> donaldkbrown: since a good chunk of this discussion isn't even related specifically to Ubuntu OS and more infrastructure, it might be better to discuss in #networking as to not have some long exchange about your infrastructure that would piss off a mod/op and get us both banned or kicked
[16:32] <donaldkbrown> Alright, thanks! I'll head in there.
[16:44] <mgedmin> ah the pain of having to log in into every site after the chromium deb->snap transition in 19.10
[16:44] <mgedmin> and it doesn't offer me any of my saved passwords
[16:50] <Toreto> Hi! I'm trying apt-get update in armbian device but i am receiving: w: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/binary-armhf/Packages 404 Not Found / w: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/contrib/binary-armhf/Packages 404 Not Found
[16:50] <leftyfb> Toreto: How is this related to Ubuntu?
[16:52] <OerHeks> Toreto, there used to be #armbian, but #debian would know where to seek support
[16:52] <Toreto> OerHeks, thanks!
[17:03] <seanrdev> Hey guys hope everyone is having a good Friday. I am working on a system and attempting to disable gdm3. I run the command sudo systemctl disable gdm3.service. However upon reboot it always comes back.
[17:03] <seanrdev> I'm sure I'm missing something. Any help?
[17:04] <lordcirth> seanrdev, what Ubuntu version?
[17:07] <OerHeks> sudo systemctl enable multi-user.target && sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[17:08] <OerHeks> and back to gui # sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target
[17:10] <seanrdev> lordcirth: 18.04
[17:11] <seanrdev> Thanks OerHeks
[17:11] <isomari_> greetings, I'm current on disco 19.04. Wjen I run sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop, it returns 'No New release found'.
[17:11] <OerHeks> isomari_, upgrade path is not available yet.
[17:11] <seanrdev> I found that in the doc as well right after seeing your message. I'll try that. Thanks again.
[17:11] <isomari_> OK. ANy idea when?
[17:12] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi is it possible to preserver MacOS system intact and install UBUNTU on the same partition to dual boot
[17:12] <OerHeks> if you want tohelp test upgrading, use  "update-manager -c -d"  option for now, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes
[17:12] <OerHeks> or just wait
[17:12] <isomari_> ok
[17:12] <minimec> Hello. Quick question on 19.10... Has anybody found out, how to remove the Trash icon from the dock on the left side?
[17:12] <aleksandrdvorkin> if i only have ONE partition on my Macbook how can dual boot with UBUNTU
[17:13] <ducasse> aleksandrdvorkin: not on the same partition, no
[17:13] <OerHeks> this delay is normal for ubuntu; gives us some time to detect upgrade issues, so please report any!
[17:14] <ubuking> Q Hallo i have a problem
[17:16] <ducasse> ubuking: you need to be more specific than that :)
[17:17] <ubuking> UBUNTU 19.10 ist stable
[17:17] <ubuking> My question is should I take UBUNTU 19.10 Or UBUNTU 18.04
[17:18] <lordcirth> ubuking, do you want the latest software, or do you want low maintenance?
[17:18] <ubuking> Both
[17:18] <lordcirth> Well, that's not how life works :P
[17:18] <ubuking> Low maintenance
[17:19] <lordcirth> Then go with an LTS - 18.04.
[17:19] <ubuking> My last question is what desktop environment
[17:21] <minimec> ubuking: Well... In your case I would go with 19.10, because in 6 month or maybe a bit later you will do an upgrade to the next 20.04 LTS anyway. You can then decide to stay on LTS or to follow the ubuntu development with the non LTS versions...
[17:21] <minimec> ubuking: I will do the same on my 'working horse' desktop.
[17:22] <ubuking> Minimec what  de are u using
[17:22] <OerHeks> polling is useless, see !flavors and try what you like best
[17:23] <minimec> ubuking: Gnome on all the Laptops; Enlightenment on the Dual-Monitor Desktop. You cannot beat Enlightenment in multi screen setups... ;)
[17:29] <ubuking> Minimec your plan is great
[17:30] <ubuking> You thanks
[17:30] <ubuking> I try it
[17:30] <minimec> ubuking: Result of a prfund reflection... ;)
[17:59] <promet> after updating 19.04 Nautilus segfaults at launch and "Disks" (gnome-disk-utility)  won't launch. This seems to be a problem with udisks
[17:59] <promet> Error connecting to udisks daemon: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.UDisks2: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.UDisks2': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms) (g-dbus-error-quark, 20)
[18:00] <uRock> How does one find what package to file a bug against when USB devices are being detected on all installs on certain hardware with 19.10? (asking for a friend)
[18:01] <promet> "$service --status-all" shows no "udisksd" or similar
[18:01] <promet> any thoughts?
[18:01] <ioria> promet, apt-cache policy nautilus | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:02] <lordcirth> uRock, Do you mean that non-existent USB devices are detected?
[18:03] <uRock> no, existent USB devices aren't detected
[18:03] <OerHeks> udisksctl status
[18:03] <uRock> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1848703
[18:03] <Telvana> Any ideas why on 19.04 when running do-release-upgrade -c it returns "No new release found." - my apologies if this has been answered here before
[18:03] <uRock> Telvana, it hasn't been set up to upgrade yet
[18:03] <uRock> Give it a few days
[18:03] <OerHeks> Telvana, there is no upgrade path yet, use  "update-manager -c -d"  option for now, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes
[18:04] <Telvana> uRock: ah, perfect. Thanks for the answer. OerHeks as well, thank you.
[18:04] <ikla> Failed to load module "nvidia" (module doesn't support this OS, 0)
[18:04] <OerHeks> this delay gives us some time to detect upgrade issues, so please report any!
[18:04] <Telvana> Google wasn't turning up anything, just answers for older releases
[18:04] <ikla> can't get proprietary driver to work on 18.10
[18:04] <uRock> 18.10 is not supported
[18:04] <uRock> !eol
[18:04] <ikla> sorry 18.04
[18:05] <lordcirth> ikla, what nvidia driver do you have installed, and how did you install it?
[18:06] <ikla> 430
[18:06] <ikla> additional drivers gui
[18:07] <OerHeks> are you fully updated? sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[18:08] <ikla> yes
[18:13] <ioria> ikla, never sen that error; can you paste lspci -nnk ?
[18:14] <ramsub07> Hello, i installed ubuntu 18.04 on Dell XPS 15 and Ubuntu gives an error message that there are no wifi or bluetooth drivers present. However, it does show up in Windows. I came across this solution of using rfkill to unblock, but how do I do it?
[18:14] <ramsub07> The solution : https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/8tcs7e/no_wifi_adapter_found_ubuntu_180_dell_xps_13_9343/e5nr2fr/
[18:15] <NegativeFlare> Hey guys, I've got a bit of a problem. I'm trying to get PXE boot working, on a OS that's based on Ubuntu. But for the life of me I can't get it to work with UEFI. I've tried the howto on the wiki, but nothing works. I can get it to load GRUB Netboot, but I have no way of telling grub to grab the rest of the files nor will GRUB read the config file that its supposed to use on the pxe server itself.
[18:18] <uRock> Which OS based on Ubuntu? You may need to go to their channel as configurations may be different.
[18:19] <lordcirth> NegativeFlare, what distro are you booting from, and what are you trying to boot?
[18:19] <NegativeFlare> lordcirth: Its based on Trusty, but the machines are UEFI
[18:19] <sarnold> ramsub07: use rfkill status to list them all, then rfkill unblock to unblock specific devices
[18:20] <lordcirth> NegativeFlare, so it's not Ubuntu, and it's based on an obsolete release? Not supported here.
[18:20] <ramsub07> sarnold: is that a valid option?
[18:20] <promet> ioria, thanks: https://termbin.com/nbjl
[18:20]  * NegativeFlare sighs
[18:20] <ramsub07> i tried and it says that's not a valid option to pass
[18:20] <NegativeFlare> I should have known lol
[18:20] <NegativeFlare> thanks anyways
[18:20] <lordcirth> Might be that a newer version will work better, though
[18:20] <NegativeFlare> I can't sadly
[18:20] <promet> Also, re: termbin.com...neato...
[18:21] <ioria> promet, you can see by yourself, there's a problem
[18:21] <sarnold> NegativeFlare: maybe try getting this to go https://github.com/antonym/netboot.xyz and see if you can get netbooting to work at all?
[18:22] <ramsub07> rfkill list all doesn't show up anything at all
[18:22] <ioria> promet, cat /etc/issue   ; uname -r
[18:23] <promet> ioria, Ubuntu 19.04 \n \l
[18:23] <promet> 4.20.10-042010-generic
[18:23] <sarnold> ramsub07: aha then it's not just a matter of the devices being disabled, you may lack drivers for them. look around lsusb and lspci output to try to find your controllers
[18:23] <promet> ioria, I assume this is an 19.04 upgrade "glitch"?
[18:24] <ioria> promet, that's wrong: 19.04 uses <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:24] <lordcirth> promet, 19.04 should have kernel 5.0
[18:24] <NegativeFlare> sarnold: Oh I can get the signed grub image to boot just fine, it just won't read the config with it
[18:24] <promet> ioria, what do you suggest
[18:24] <ioria> promet,  dpkg -l | grep linux-generic  | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:24] <ioria> promet,  dpkg -l | grep linux-generic  | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:25] <promet> ioria, https://termbin.com/6fo2e
[18:26] <ioria> promet,  sorry, dpkg -l | grep linux-image  | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:26] <ramsub07> sarnold: from this, can you please tell me what's wrong? dpaste.com/0HNRMHK
[18:27] <promet> ioria, https://termbin.com/bosb
[18:27] <sarnold> NegativeFlare: ah :) do you get an error?
[18:28] <ioria> promet,  apt-cache policy linux-generic | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:28] <promet> ioria, https://termbin.com/mclrq
[18:29] <sarnold> ramsub07: alright that's a decent start point -- what PCI id do you see for that device in lspci uotput?
[18:29] <ioria> promet,  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[18:29] <promet> ioria, roger that...
[18:35] <hellerz> guys, any lightweight browsers for ubuntu?
[18:37] <lordcirth> hellerz, several, are you finding Firefox too slow?
[18:37] <minimec> hellerz: Gnome Web 'sudo apt install epiphany-browser' That's the official one of the Gnome Desktop Environment.
[18:38] <hellerz> I have bought a vps from hosting website and installed xrdp on it and when I open chromium or firefox it won't respond, doesn't work good
[18:38] <lordcirth> VPS's don't usually have much, if any, graphics acceleration. Using anything graphical may not work well. It's not really what they are for.
[18:38] <gunix> on ubuntu i always get these default ra: https://bpaste.net/show/i7w3
[18:39] <hellerz> ya that's why I'm trying to get a non-graphical browser
[18:39] <gunix> I only need the gateway6 i configured via netplan. any idea what to do so that i don't get the default ra?
[18:40] <gunix> is it ipv6.conf.all.autoconf and net.ipv6.conf.default.autoconf?
[18:41] <lordcirth> gunix, setting netplan to: 'link-local: []' might do it as well
[18:41] <gunix> lordcirth:ty, i will try that out
[18:42] <petersaints> Hi guys! Just upgraded to 19.10 and I noticed that "phpmyadmin" is not available for eoan. Any particular reason why?
[18:43] <dax> "Request of security; removed from Debian testing, LP: #1837775, Debian bug #920822 et al"
[18:45] <dax> basically, it's an Ubuntu universe package which means it's mostly maintained by pulling updates from Debian, and the Debian maintainer hadn't been maintaining it so it had unpatched security issues, so it's gone from both Debian and Ubuntu until that's all sorted out
[18:45] <ubuking> hi
[18:45] <petersaints> dax: Thanks for the info.
[18:46] <ubuking> hhow are you?
[18:46] <petersaints> dax: I think that Debian fixed those issues, but it was past Ubuntu's freeze schedule for 19.10.
[18:47] <petersaints> It is kind of a pretty commonly used package and having it missing will probably hurt many users.
[18:47] <dax> it's currently blocked from migration to Debian testing, I'm not sure whether that would prevent it from ending up in Ubuntu
[18:48] <petersaints> I know that it probably goes against SRU policies, but maybe once things get sorted out by the Debian team an exception could be made and import it into "eoan-backports" or something
[18:49] <hellerz> minimec I have installed it and when I try to open google or paypal I get Something went wrong while displaying this page.
[18:53] <minimec> hellerz: Hmmm... I cannot confirm that for the package I have installed on 19.10 or the snap package I use on older Ubuntu versions.
[18:57] <uRock> petersaints, Check out https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/phpmyadmin
[19:00] <tomreyn> petersaints: in the meantime you could install phpmyadmin 'from source' or a PPA, or use 'adminer'
[19:05] <NegativeFlare> exit
[19:05] <doug16k> startup disk creator just dd's the iso to the usb drive? it puts an iso filesystem on it!
[19:05] <doug16k> which doesn't work
[19:05] <sarnold> pretty much
[19:06] <sarnold> well, it also provides a dialog box to select what to write to -- to help reduce the chances of someone dding the install image over their hard drive :)
[19:06] <EriC^^> doug16k: ?
[19:07] <lordcirth> doug16k, dd'ing the install ISO to the USB works fine, that's how I do all my installs
[19:07] <doug16k> sometimes it works
[19:07] <donofrio> so now that 19.10 supports the rpi4b will we also have native rpi-update that grabs the lastes kernel modulas and updates the bootloader/bios? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes
[19:07] <doug16k> it's wrong to put an iso filesystem on a hard drive, makes no sense
[19:07] <lordcirth> doug16k, If it is working only intermittently for you, that sounds like a hardware problem?
[19:08] <EriC^^> doug16k: what are you talking about
[19:08] <ioria> Startup Disk Creator is not a general purpose ISO burner
[19:08] <EriC^^> he mentions startup disk creator and something else
[19:08] <lordcirth> doug16k, the USB isn't intended to be mounted read-write, why would it need a read-write FS?
[19:08] <doug16k> EriC^^, I know what I'm talking about because I made an OS project and had to deal with it. tested several ways of doing it. dd-ing iso barely works on any machines
[19:09] <doug16k> EriC^^, did you try it on a 128GB flash drive?
[19:09] <EriC^^> that doesnt make sense, dd is the low level way, if it's not working then the iso makers screwed up their iso
[19:09] <EriC^^> or it wasn't intended to just be dd'd over
[19:09] <EriC^^> what does the size have to do with it?
[19:10] <doug16k> ok, can you say why my 128GB flash drive can't boot a drive created with startup disk creator?
[19:10] <EriC^^> well, startup disk creator sucks, use dd alone
[19:11] <doug16k> it comes up with the grub menu, you pick install, screen goes black
[19:11] <doug16k> no signal then appears
[19:11] <EriC^^> doug16k: did you checksum the iso?
[19:11] <EriC^^> it could be a number of stuff, bad iso, bad usb, gfx problem, incompatible hardware
[19:12] <doug16k> does 18.04 work on ryzen 2400G ?
[19:12] <EriC^^> i'd troubleshoot in that order, and try booting with "nomodeset", it's typically something needed when you get a black screen after grub
[19:12] <sarnold> and not all ISOs are capable of being booted from USB mass storage devices
[19:13] <EriC^^> doug16k: give nomodeset a shot, it'll likely help
[19:13] <EriC^^> !nomodeset | doug16k
[19:14] <zleap> hi
[19:15] <zleap> any reason why Ubuntu can't have a presence on the fediverse, given that you have one on linkedin,facebook and twitter,  you could use it to post updates on what is going on to a different clientele of people
[19:15] <doug16k> exactly same thing on a dvd booted, without nomodeset
[19:16] <doug16k> if you pick "install" at the grub menu, it fails. "try ubuntu" boots
[19:17] <Kremator> hello folks, where can i read the official status and plans towards the snap situation
[19:17] <Kremator> i mean, the official declarations/statements of canonical about it
[19:17] <EriC^^> doug16k: what about if you do try ubuntu, then click on install?
[19:19] <sarnold> Kremator: https://forum.snapcraft.io/
[19:20] <dax> depends on what "the snap situation" refers to, probably
[19:21] <dax> i know the regular ubuntu discourse has had some discussion about providing software as snaps instead of apt packages, e.g. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/intent-to-provide-chromium-as-a-snap-only/5987
[19:21] <Grovosky> Hi! I am having issues with my bluetooth. It worked at first but now it doesnt connect. Please help.
[19:21] <Kremator> dax, well i meant about ubuntu going to migrate some base programs to snap containers
[19:22] <dax> Kremator: as i understand it, it's discussed and decided on a package-by-package basis
[19:22] <doug16k> EriC^^, that installs, and when it reboots it is black screen again. have to nomodeset it and, I guess, try the proprietary amd drivers?
[19:23] <doug16k> or would hwe support 2400g?
[19:24] <icee> Hi, I'm trying to run ubuntu 64 bit on my pi4.  The USB ports do not work.  It seems others are having the same problem, e.g. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1181878/raspberry-pi-4-usb-ports-are-not-working-with-ubuntu-19-10-64bit
[19:25] <bencc> Failed to fetch https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/dists/bionic/stable/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  File has unexpected size (9417 != 7889). Mirror sync in progress?
[19:25] <bencc> is this a docker or ubuntu problem?
[19:26] <Kremator> dax, correct, but i had understood from 19.10 plenty of base gnome apps would be "containerized" by snap right?
[19:26] <gunix> lordcirth: i think your solution fixed it
[19:26] <lordcirth> excellent
[19:27] <Kremator> also im mindful that i do not know anything about itnernal dev organization inside canonical so idk how they give betweem them the task of X or Y package
[19:27] <Grovosky> This is what I get. I tried looking but i just cant seem to figure out what is wrong. Connection Failed: blueman.bluez.errors.DBusFailedError: Host is down
[19:27] <dax> Kremator: i think they've been slowly moving GNOME stuff over for a few releases, yes
[19:28] <dax> i forget whether it was 19.04 or 18.10, but the last stock Ubuntu install i did had a few GNOME snaps
[19:31] <Grovosky> halp
[19:31] <minimec> Kremator: dax: The few tools that were 'snapped' were mainly for testing purposes. We are talking about gnome-calculator, gnome-characters, gnome-log. But you can 'snap remove' them and replace them with the deb package. But there is something new in 19.10 in regard of Chromium-browser. That software is only available as snap package from now on in ubuntu.
[19:31] <minimec> Kremator: dax: So if you 'sudo apt install chromium-browser', the snap package will be installed.
[19:32] <OerHeks> Grovosky, add the bluez ppa, that fixed my bt/a2dp issues too
[19:32] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/~bluetooth/+archive/ubuntu/bluez
[19:35] <Grovosky> OerHeks: The error changed to. Connection Failed: blueman.bluez.errors.DBusFailedError: Host is down...
[19:37] <OerHeks> ??
[19:37] <OerHeks> changes to the same error?
[19:39] <Grovosky> OerHeks: It connected for a second then it went dead again. It changed to host down.
[19:40] <Grovosky> Connection Failed: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[19:40] <lordcirth> minimec, apt will install snap packages now?
[19:41] <sarnold> lordcirth: I beliueve the postinst for the chromium-browser package installs the snap package
[19:41] <lordcirth> Yay, more silent ways to break things
[19:41] <sarnold> I think lxd package does this too
[19:42] <minimec> lordcirth: only the chromium-browser. Like somehow the chromium browser has the 'snap install' instructions in it.
[19:42] <ioria> !info chromium-browser eoan
[19:42] <cognition> Hi, is there a way for dhcp and netplan to play nice with each other in 18.04
[19:43] <lordcirth> cognition, netplan can configure DHCP, what problem are you having?
[19:43] <cognition> we'd like to set the "search" and "nameservers" via dhcp
[19:44] <cognition> when I run "dhclient", I get the correct configuration
[19:45] <lordcirth> cognition, dhcp4-overrides: \n - use_dns: true
[19:46] <lordcirth> https://netplan.io/reference#dhcp-overrides
[19:55] <cognition> lordcirth: no luck
[19:55] <cognition> get only one domain in "search" in /etc/resolv.conf
[19:55] <cognition> nameservers are correct
[19:56] <cognition> "search" just has the domain of the system
[19:56] <cognition> and I know (from using dhclient) that the DHCP server is sending out 5 or 6 domains for "search"
[20:15] <lordcirth> cognition, so it gets all nameservers, but only 1 search domain?
[20:32] <pipegeek> hi folks
[20:32] <steven> after do-release-upgrade to 18.04 the server's apt autoremove wants to remove grub-commons and os-prober.. that can't be right though can it?
[20:33] <L551> Been trying to install 19.10 on my tablet, but for whatever reason Ubuntu keeps locking up on the liveUSB. Any way to diagnose what's going on? ISO download verifies okay.
[20:33] <pipegeek> was just wondering: I've noticed that 19.10 hasn't shown up in https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release yet and therefore doesn't show up in update-manager either
[20:33] <pipegeek> (unless you specify -d)
[20:34] <OerHeks> pipegeek, correct, there is some delay between release iso and upgradepath
[20:34] <pipegeek> was wondering if anyone knows when it is likely to appear as a stable update?
[20:34] <pipegeek> aah okay
[20:34] <OerHeks>  there is no upgrade path yet, use  "update-manager -c -d"  option for now, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes
[20:34] <pipegeek> yeah, saw that there and was surprised
[20:34] <pipegeek> okay. thanks
[22:05] <kadiro> I think I found the reason why my boot takes very long, it is the two services 'apt-daily.service' and 'apt-daily-upgrade.service' , time to disable those no needed services
[22:12] <jesse1010> what benefits does 19.10 have over 18.04?
[22:14] <jesse1010> what version kde is on 18.04?
[22:20] <tomreyn> jesse1010: you can check package versions at https://packages.ubuntu.com
[22:21] <tomreyn> !releasenotes | jesse1010: see the release notes for the releases since 18.04 to learn about some of the newly added features
[22:23] <jesse1010> why is 19.10 listed in future releases?
[22:23] <dax> because nobody updated it yet
[22:24] <dax> (i don't have my launchpad password handy or i'd go do it)
[22:45] <c3vin> hi
[22:45] <c3vin> I can curl <IP_ADDRESS> on server, but cannot browse outside server
[22:45] <c3vin> IPTABLES rule is added to allow all traffic from my IP
[23:05] <disi> what's a good util for pasting (to a pastebin) from the command line?
[23:06] <sarnold> pastebinit is handy if you can install it; termbin.com is fantastic if all you've got is a network socket :) | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:07] <disi> oo termbin looks cool... 9999 is proooobably closed for me tho
[23:09] <disi> pastebinit might work, ty
[23:09] <sarnold> yeah, termbin is *really* handy.. /dev/tcp/termbin.com/9999 probably works most places :)
[23:10] <texla> How to open /etc/default/grub in xubuntu
[23:11] <leftyfb> texla: what are you trying to accomplish exactly?
[23:12] <texla> leftyfb, I want to enlarge the grub font
[23:13] <leftyfb> texla: what have you tried so far?
[23:13] <leftyfb> texla: https://vitux.com/how-to-edit-config-files-in-ubuntu/
[23:13] <texla> leftyfb, I have tried sudo and the command
[23:14] <leftyfb> texla: https://vitux.com/how-to-edit-config-files-in-ubuntu/   # first result on google for "ubuntu edit files"
[23:16] <texla> leftyfb, That will work after i download gedit ..thanks for the info
[23:18] <transhuman> hi trying to get windows 10 clients to connect to samba by installing the latest samba version. There is no description at all of what the compile prerequisites for installing samba are that I can find. Is there an easier way without disabling all means of security windows has of securing samba traffic by enable smb 1.0 ?
[23:18] <texla> udo gedit /etc/default/grub
[23:24] <lunaticedit> https://nopaste.xyz/?05892b5fe52e072e#tkZvjqXqec2Qyz1g4X0gLx0CMHWFZMjfBRGWIUjwySo=
[23:24] <lunaticedit> I'm getting this every second, it has used up 330 gigs of syslog in under 5 days
[23:24] <lunaticedit> I trunced it and its already at 5 megs again
[23:25] <jcrypt> 520 bytes * 86400 seconds per day * 5 days = 227MB. If you're getting 330 gigs of syslog data, you have more problems than just that one log entry.
[23:26] <jcrypt> 214MiB, actually.
[23:27] <lunaticedit> i looked at the first 5 gigs, 98% of it is pcieport error for the device (200 Series PCH PCI Express Root Port #3)
[23:28] <lunaticedit> some suggest running pci=noaer
[23:28] <minimec> lunaticedit: I have no clue, but there is an expired bug on Launchpad from last year with exactly the same symptoms and hardware (PCI bus) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1787299
[23:29] <lunaticedit> yeah I saw that too
[23:29] <lunaticedit> I prefer ubuntu though -_- oh well
[23:29] <minimec> lunaticedit: Could be a kernel problem. Maybe try to revive the bug?
[23:29] <lunaticedit> honestly I can't keep running the system with it dumping errors like this, gotta stop the bleeding first
[23:29] <jcrypt> Expired because no activity in 60 days?
[23:29] <lunaticedit> m2 drives have write cycle lifetimes
[23:30] <jcrypt> That seems... silly.
[23:30] <lunaticedit> and i've prolly just lost a year
[23:30] <jcrypt> Which drive are you using?
[23:31] <lunaticedit> samsung 970 evo plus
[23:31] <jcrypt> Capacity?
[23:31] <lunaticedit> 500g
[23:31] <jcrypt> Then you've got a good 299TB left in its warrantied write life.
[23:33] <hellerz> guys, any idea what's package name for Webkit/GTK+ header files ?
[23:35] <jcrypt> lunaticedit: Test something for me?
[23:35] <lunaticedit> ok i looked deeper and it actually started 2 days ago
[23:35] <jcrypt> lunaticedit: Try booting the system with
[23:35] <jcrypt> 'pcie_aspm=off' as an extra kernel parameter.
[23:36] <jcrypt> See if that alleviates the issue.
[23:36] <lunaticedit> you think it's a power management issue?
[23:36] <jcrypt> I think it's something in how ASPM is interacting with the kernel that's generating those errors.
[23:36] <jcrypt> Give it a whirl? If I'm right, I'll reopen that bug.
[23:36] <lunaticedit> ok what's the 'proper' way to set kernel params in ubuntu/efi
[23:37] <jcrypt> Same as normal grub.
[23:37] <lunaticedit> kk
[23:37] <jcrypt> Edit the boot entry, add that to the 'linux' line.
[23:37] <jcrypt> Obviously, that's not permanent.
[23:37] <jcrypt> Let's see if it works, first.
[23:37] <lunaticedit> give me a couple before i reboot
[23:38] <jcrypt> I'll be here all night, no big deal.
[23:38] <lunaticedit> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="pcie_aspm=off"
[23:38] <jcrypt> That's for a permanent fix.
[23:38] <lunaticedit> i can take it back out, i have an issue getting grub to show
[23:38] <jcrypt> Makes sense. :)
[23:38] <lunaticedit> i can get it to show 10% of the time :p
[23:38] <lunaticedit> EUFI + secure boot
[23:38] <lunaticedit> = very very hard to see grub
[23:39] <lunaticedit> it's like 5 seconds to desktop though, no complains there
[23:39] <lunaticedit> anyway brb
[23:41] <disi> sarnold: i actually ended up going with ix.io, fwiw :) thanks tho
[23:46] <lunaticedit> yeah it’s not booting now 🤨
[23:49] <sarnold> disi: oh that's a *very* pleasing website :)
[23:53] <disi> :D just what i needed (the basics)
[23:57]  * johnjbogle1 waves hello


[14:26] <highvoltage> nhandler: are you at UDS?
[14:39] <highvoltage> akgraner: if you have a moment (at any time), could we talk about UWN a bit more?
[21:57] <nhandler> highvoltage: No