[00:00] <Left_Turn> guys whats the different between           gedit file.ext   ..and..   get file.ext &
[00:00] <Left_Turn> gedit file.ext &
[00:00] <joanbarros> dakotawulfy, there shouldn't be a problem if I install the 38 from the 36 right?
[00:00] <root_> i cant et used to ubuntu
[00:00] <root_> dang it
[00:00] <root_>  just wanted to etract some wierd compressed file
[00:00] <root_>  just wanted to etract some wierd compressed file8
[00:01] <aeon-ltd> root_: extracting 'weird' files in any os is gonna be weird
[00:01] <dakotawulfy> right
[00:02] <root_> it said it was for linux
[00:02] <dakotawulfy>  u still have all 3 in grub
[00:02] <tyson_> Left_Turn: gedit edit a file in a text editor called gedit... get does nothing
[00:02] <root_> I mean wierd as it was not one ive seen
[00:02] <tgm4883> geekbri, not that I know of. That seems to be an odd place to create directories though I suppose. Where are you trying to create directories?
[00:02] <dakotawulfy>  joanbarros u still have all 3 in grub
[00:02] <Left_Turn> i cant seem to find the file
[00:02] <geekbri> tgm4883: I need to create a directory in /var/run/ because that directory gets wiped on reboot
[00:02] <Left_Turn> i meant gedit file &
[00:03] <root_> do you have to know much code for linux
[00:03] <root_> I like tweaking the UI either with expolits or normally
[00:03] <geekbri> tgm4883: I'd like to continue using setgid and setuid because I am also increasing the ulimits.  However I need to create the sub directory of /var/run/ as root.  It's a frustrating problem
[00:03] <tyson_> Left_Turn: make sure you set the right path
[00:03] <Left_Turn> ok thanks ill double check
[00:03] <root_> I use xp atm
[00:03] <tgm4883> geekbri, well not really wiped, as just not kept
[00:04] <tgm4883> geekbri, out of curiosity, what needs that directory?
[00:04] <geekbri> tgm4883: I have multiple instances of redis running as different users.  I namespace their pid directories so basically, /var/run/redis/6379 and /var/run/redis/6380, each owned by different users.
[00:05] <CatNCobra> Hi, I'm having a hell of a time trying to install rabbitvcs.  It reads the following packages have been kept back. And lists three packages: linux-generic, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-generic (or something like that).
[00:06] <root_> fuck win7
[00:06] <OerHeks> root_, how about stop ranting about windows and ask your ubuntu support question?
[00:06] <root_> and vista and 8
[00:07] <root_> I did man
[00:07] <root_> jees
[00:07] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros  linux-generic, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-generic those are all the packages to make  the current kernel to keep it up to date
[00:07] <ultra7> how can i revert these commands? sudo iptables -I INPUT -s <IP_ADDRESS> -j DROP
[00:07] <ultra7> sudo iptables -I OUTPUT -d <IP_ADDRESS> -j DROP
[00:07] <ultra7> Read more: How to Block an IP Address in Ubuntu | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_6915849_block-ip-address-ubuntu.html#ixzz2M3Mn4AUh
[00:08] <FloodBot1> ultra7: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:08] <geekbri> tgm4883: looks like the solution will be just to launch the process itself with sudo
[00:08] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros so go head and try to install the new one see if it works
[00:08] <xomp> so ubuntu iso no longer fits on a 700Mb CD-R?
[00:08] <kant_> hi guys, i've just upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04 and I screwed my python up ... somehow. This is what I get when I run apt-get :
[00:08] <kant_> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python2.7:
[00:08] <kant_>  python2.7 depends on python2.7-minimal (= 2.7.3-0ubuntu3); however:
[00:08] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros should not be a problem  i dont think
[00:08] <kant_>   Version of python2.7-minimal on system is 2.7.3-0ubuntu3.1
[00:09] <root_> can you change a folder backround in ubuntu
[00:09] <CatNCobra> Hi, I'm having a hell of a time trying to install rabbitvcs. I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to the command line and the instructions on their website have me all sorts of lost. Any and all help is highly appreciated.
[00:10] <ultra7> i did a command in the terminal and i want to revert it...could someone help me please?
[00:10] <tyson_> ultra7: the same with accept at the end instead of DROP
[00:11] <ultra7> tyson_, rhanks
[00:11] <ultra7> thanks
[00:11] <root_> help
[00:11] <root_> yes H is for hippo
[00:11] <Ben64> CatNCobra: why don't you use the version that comes with ubuntu
[00:11] <bravis_> or howdy
[00:11] <root_> E is gotelephant L is for light P is for policeman
[00:11] <CatNCobra> Elaborate?
[00:12] <root_> can you change a folder back round
[00:12] <root_> in ubuntu
[00:12] <Ben64> !info rabbitvcs-cli | CatNCobra
[00:12] <CatNCobra> In other words, I've been trying to install something that's already installed?
[00:12] <root_> help
[00:13] <k1l> !patience | root_
[00:13] <Ben64> CatNCobra: search the software center
[00:13] <CatNCobra> I downloaded it and it didn't work
[00:13] <root_> why say I didnt ask!
[00:13] <Ben64> !work | CatNCobra
[00:13] <tyson_> root_: Hi, what do you need help with?
[00:13] <CatNCobra> In other words, none of the right click options show up that I need when I right click a folder
[00:14] <root_> can you change the backround of a folder
[00:14] <CatNCobra> Sorry for my vagueness.
[00:14] <Ben64> CatNCobra: then you can try the ppa on their site, but we can't support that
[00:14] <tyson_> root_ : yes you can.... how much programming/ script do you know?
[00:14] <CatNCobra> I don't understand how to do all of that haha
[00:15] <root_> I know a litttle md batch
[00:15] <root_> a tiny bit of C
[00:15] <root_> MS* batch
[00:15] <root_> but this is linux
[00:15] <dakotawulfy> GaLFrieD^^ u still there??? i did not forget about u
[00:15] <root_> is there an equivelant to regedit
[00:15] <aeon-ltd> root_: there would be no regustry to edit
[00:16] <tgm4883> aeon-ltd, what about dconf?
[00:16] <root_> ??????
[00:16] <root_> something that deos the same thig
[00:16] <joanbarros> dakotawolfy, I installed all but those three packages didn't install. Could this be the problem?
[00:17] <aeon-ltd> tgm4883: close enough i guess
[00:17] <CatNCobra> So in other words Ben64, I'm boned. Because the software center version failed, and you can't help me with this ppa mumbo jumbo.
[00:17] <Ben64> CatNCobra: you can see if they have a support channel or option
[00:17] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros dont think that a problem
[00:17] <ChrisHansen> root_ haha you got in a fight with the irc bot
[00:17] <dakotawulfy>  wont cause kernel not to work right
[00:18] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros those files are the ones that keep your kernel up to date
[00:18] <tyson_> root_: regedit??? by the sound of it gedit.... but I am not sure about what regedit does... lol
[00:18] <dakotawulfy> and runs the new kernel after it is installed
[00:18] <root_> YEY
[00:19] <joanbarros> dakotawulfy, ohh ok. actually the 38 kernel didn't install.
[00:19] <dakotawulfy> did u select it
[00:20] <tyson_> root_: if you want to do it just click on the edit on the folder you are in
[00:20] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros try the 38
[00:20] <dakotawulfy>  joanbarros if it works
[00:20] <root_> ok cool
[00:20] <root_> now an advanced question
[00:21] <root_> omg this is gonna be hard to explain
[00:21] <dakotawulfy>  then go ahead and after u are running it and hit apply  updates and should install those files
[00:21] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros
[00:21] <tyson_> root_ t: go ahead
[00:22] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros think the reason is because u manually picked and running the 36 now
[00:22] <root_> how do you give a folder two parts, one is viewable in the GUI the only is only viewable in code or in a specicalized program
[00:23] <root_> they both hold files and folders
[00:23] <root_> you can do this in windows xp with headache but
[00:23] <root_> but can I do it  in ubuntu
[00:23] <root_> or lnux
[00:23] <aeon-ltd> root_: you talking about hiding files in xp?
[00:23] <genii-around> root_: Any folder beginning with a dot will not be seen normally in GUI file browser
[00:23] <joanbarros> dakotawulfy, sorry. had to refresh the page.
[00:23] <root_> not conventially no
[00:24] <joanbarros> dakotawulfy, I dont have the kernel 38 installed. Id didn't install.
[00:24] <root_> in xp its an expolit
[00:24] <Tex_Nick> root_:  you can preceede files & folders with a . to hide them
[00:24] <tgm4883> root_, things like that get fixed in linux ;)
[00:25] <aeon-ltd> root_: you could just make a fake files with something like truecypt to hide files within files
[00:25] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros sorry u d/l it but did not install ???
[00:25] <k1l> root_: folders and files with a . in front are hidden.
[00:25] <tyson_> root_: I think the best answer to you is with LINUX you can do whatever you want.... you can do what was previously stated or you can study a little bit of the CHMOD command
[00:25] <joanbarros> dakotawulfy, OK, I'm now installing the 38...
[00:25] <root_> ok cool
[00:25] <tgm4883> I think the better answer is, stop trying to make a rootkit
[00:25] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros ok
[00:26] <genii-around> tgm4883: Hehe
[00:27] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros then boot in to it see if it works  if it does then do an update   when u are in the new kernel then it should install tose 3 files
[00:27] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros apply
[00:29] <Inoki> HI all, is there a way to launch a bookmark from the dash?
[00:31] <joanbarros> dakotawulfy, wow, weirdest thing. It works and didn't even have to rebuild nVidia drivers (been having the drivers not work upon every kernel update). It seems that something processed half way and it got stuck in the middle... It seems to be working now. YAY!!!!
[00:31] <joanbarros> dakotawulfy, yes, everything is working again. Even WiFi.Thank you very much!
[00:31] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros ok now see if those other update far u
[00:32] <dakotawulfy> those update the kernel and boot u into the newest one
[00:32] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros n/p
[00:33] <dakotawulfy> Inoki u still there
[00:35] <Inoki> dakotawulfy: Ya
[00:35] <fruitwerks> hi all - how can I get a list of unconfigured network interfaces?
[00:35] <reverendp> hey all, I am upgrading to xubuntu 12.10 and I don't want to lose my xchat favorite list.  I am trying to find the serv_list file.  I have used xchat -u --configdir but I can't find the returned directory
[00:36] <fruitwerks> reverendp: did you check for a .dir or .file for chat in your home dir?
[00:36] <fruitwerks> *xchat
[00:37] <reverendp> I will look again, that is where the configdir said it was but I couldn't find it,
[00:39] <joanbarros> dakotawulfy, actually I had to explicitly state that I wanted to apt-get install linux-generic linux-header-generic linux-image-generic
[00:39] <dakotawulfy> did it do that???
[00:39] <reverendp> fruitwerks:  did a search including hidden files servlist*.* and it came back.  Thanks for the direction it is greatly appreciated
[00:40] <joanbarros> dakotawulfy, that's how I got the 38 kernel to install...
[00:40] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros ok u should be good then
[00:40] <fruitwerks> anyone know anything about networking for kvm on the guest side?
[00:40] <nintet> in my native LED monitor's resolution there are about 60 pixels off of the bottom of the screen
[00:41] <Rehan> Hi people. Had a question -- do the latest AMD GPUs (78XX and 79XX) work well with linux or is nvidia still the better option?
[00:41] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros now the next kernel that comes out it should work like it did before i alway at least keep 2 kernels
[00:42] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros and something goes wrong go back to old one see if that the problem
[00:42] <triple_> Hello people, I have a problem with updating steam. After 5 percent it quits and says I need to be connected.
[00:43] <nintet> the bottom of my desktop is off the screen
[00:44] <HaZiLLa> Anyone from the UK here and is on BT Infinity?
[00:44] <mikathewoof> what is a command i can type in to see the speed of my processor?
[00:44] <phunyguy_> hey folks, I have an oddball question.  I have a new-ish with a UEFI bios, and I have my old partitions backed up, but I want to try to convert the installation to GPT partitioning.  Are there any good guides for this? Some mention using GPT on regular bios computers that but that is not what I am looking for.
[00:44] <Tex_Nick> nintet:  have you adjusted your monitors vertical position setting ?
[00:45] <JoelGsus> mikathewoof type top
[00:45] <phunyguy_> new-ish laptop**
[00:45] <Tex_Nick> nintet:  or used the monitors auto-adjust
[00:45] <mikathewoof> thanks JoelGsus
[00:45] <joanbarros> dakotawulfy, yea, actually my ubuntu stored about 5 or 6 kernels.
[00:45] <dakotawulfy> ok
[00:46] <mikathewoof> right now i have Peppermint OS installed on an old computer, i want to use lubuntu, can i easily switch it?
[00:46] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros ubuntu-tweak
[00:46] <nintet> the monitor's vertical position does not go nearly far enough
[00:46] <dakotawulfy>  removes all except for  one
[00:47] <dakotawulfy>  so be careful if u do that but then agin u have that one plus the new on so u should be good
[00:47] <kant_> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python2.7:
[00:47] <kant_>  python2.7 depends on python2.7-minimal (= 2.7.3-0ubuntu3); however:
[00:47] <kant_>   Version of python2.7-minimal on system is 2.7.3-0ubuntu3.1.
[00:47] <kant_> anyone knows how to fix that ? I've just upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04 and ... boom - how did I break python
[00:48] <joanbarros> dakotawulfy, nice. will remember when cleaning up for space.
[00:49] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros ubuntu tweak is nice worth getting
[00:50] <fruitwerks> phunyguy_: is it a samsung laptop?
[00:50] <nintet> is there an app to move my screen up?
[00:50] <phunyguy_> fruitwerks, no it is a Lenovo T430s
[00:51] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros its got computer janitor built in and i have not yet have a problem only using it  but with computer janitor the full version be careful with that does seem to let u do thing that can harm your computer
[00:52] <dakotawulfy> joanbarros i mean your system
[00:52] <joanbarros> dakotawulfy, ok. will be careful.
[00:55] <eduardo_> Hello!
[00:55] <root_> does linux have a point where the code is against the design or some other code in the OS to make it work
[00:55] <eduardo_> ?
[00:55] <eduardo_> My english not is very good! I'm from Brazil.
[00:55] <eduardo_> :D
[00:56] <nintet> using the monitor's auto adjust or vertical adjust does not center my screen HELP_!!!
[00:56] <root_> you cant do stuff in windows if it works against the OS design of how its made
[00:56] <root_> its made with souce code which is top secret and cant be modified practically
[00:56] <dakotawulfy>  nintet did u install your video driver
[00:56] <nintet> sauce code?
[00:56] <root_> source code
[00:57] <root_> ..
[00:57] <nintet> i dont install drivers anymore... at least i havent had too since the windows days
[00:57] <dakotawulfy>  nintet are u using ubuntu???
[00:57] <phunyguy_> I hope you aren't logged into the root account in IRC....
[00:57] <nintet> 12.04
[00:57] <root_> why not?
[00:57] <dakotawulfy> what video card u got???
[00:58] <phunyguy_> you know what? nevermind.
[00:58] <nintet> i dont even know what video card it is
[00:58] <phunyguy_> have fun.
[00:58] <root_> lol
[00:58] <root_> im in mac OSX
[00:58] <nintet> you dont have to know those things anymore... thats what linux is all about
[00:58] <Hilikus> if i write a udev rule, do all conditions have to be part of the same group for it to work?
[00:58] <dakotawulfy> nit true
[00:59] <root_> calm down phunyguy
[00:59] <root_> youll get your chicken soon
[00:59] <nintet>  product: 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[00:59] <nintet>              vendor: Intel Corporation
[00:59] <dakotawulfy>  they make a gui installer for the video
[00:59] <phunyguy_> !ot
[00:59] <dakotawulfy> ouch intel
[00:59] <root_> thats nice
[00:59] <nintet> what is wrong with intel?
[00:59] <nintet> isnt that a good company or something?
[01:00] <nintet> i mean, i need glasses as it is... so i never worry too much about graphics, i do sound.
[01:00] <dakotawulfy>   nintet be careful u install that driver and  might not  work
[01:00] <nintet> its working now, its just hanging off the screen
[01:01] <nintet> ehhh,,, something tells me i should just go back to my old 1024X768 monitor
[01:01] <dakotawulfy> nintet might be able to install a program to change the screen size
[01:01] <nintet> how about just to move it up a bit?
[01:02] <dakotawulfy>  so u change d monitors
[01:02] <nintet> yes
[01:02] <kant_> hi all, libpython2.7 : Depends: python2.7 (= 2.7.3-0ubuntu3.1) but 2.7.3-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[01:02] <nintet> someone gave me a nice new monitor
[01:02] <dakotawulfy> nintet did u reboot it  see if it worked???
[01:03] <nintet> i dont need to reboot
[01:03] <kant_> I'm having nightmares trying to understand how ubuntu3.1 would be different from ubuntu3 ...
[01:03] <nintet> do i?
[01:03] <dakotawulfy> nintet was it on when u changed it???
[01:03] <kant_> with respect to python
[01:03] <nintet> yeah of course
[01:03] <nintet> hold on...
[01:03] <nintet> oooooooooooooooooooh. man i am sorry...
[01:03] <kant_> can anyone advise on how to repair python after upgrading 10.04 to 12.04 ?
[01:03] <dakotawulfy> but if it does not pick up could be worse then what it is now
[01:03] <nintet> i know what it is.... MY DATA SWITCH CANT HANDLE THE RESOLUTION
[01:03] <nintet> lol
[01:04] <nintet> sorry guys
[01:04] <dakotawulfy> n/p
[01:04] <kant_> is this an IRC channel about Ubuntu SW ? am I asking on the wrong channel ?
[01:04] <LoneTrooper> Is there a difference between installing deb package downloaded from trusted website or using ubuntu software center? I want to have deb files as backup  but i dont know if its the safe to install programs in that way.
[01:04] <tgm4883> kant_, repair it? how is it broke?
[01:04] <kant_> tgm4883:  apt-get won't do anything
[01:05] <tgm4883> kant_, what do you mean? do you get error messages?
[01:05] <kant_> tgm4883: yup, say you try apt-get -f install ; it says
[01:05] <tgm4883> LoneTrooper, for obvious reasons, you won't get updates to the software automatically (via apt) if you install a deb
[01:06] <kant_> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python2.7:
[01:06] <kant_>  python2.7 depends on python2.7-minimal (= 2.7.3-0ubuntu3); however:
[01:06] <kant_>   Version of python2.7-minimal on system is 2.7.3-0ubuntu3.1.
[01:06] <kant_> dpkg: error processing python2.7 (--configure):
[01:06] <kant_>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[01:06] <FloodBot1> kant_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:06] <LoneTrooper> tgm4883 thats the one of the benefits of using ubuntu software center thx for reply
[01:06] <kant_> FloodBot1: sorry :)
[01:07] <tgm4883> LoneTrooper, that said, all apt-get is doing is downloading debs from the repository and installing them. IMO, install software via the repositories (software center) if you can. If you can't find something in the software center but the developer releases a deb, you can usually use that just fine
[01:07] <tgm4883> kant_, odd, not sure how you got in that situation
[01:08] <kant_> I don't get how my python2.7-minimal (2.7.3-0ubuntu3.1) is so different from python2.7-minimal (2.7.3-0ubuntu3)
[01:08] <kant_> tgm4883: simply by upgrading a 10.04 LTS to a 12.04 LTS
[01:08] <LoneTrooper> ok i get it thx for info tgm4883
[01:08] <dakotawulfy>   kant u said u updated from 10.04 to 12.04???
[01:09] <kant_> dakotawulfy: yeah
[01:09] <tgm4883> Kanerix, amd64 or i386?
[01:09] <kant_> tgm4883: this is mental; i've checked the ubuntu repositories and the '3.1' build is only an update to the '3' build - how does it stop python from playing  ... ...
[01:10] <tgm4883> also, the 3.1 build only does "  * Cherry pick af46a001d5ec to remove Python syslog BOM insertion code that was causing corrupt log messages in syslog.  LP: #1029640 "
[01:10] <kant_> ubottu: I saw that one yeah but ... no fix apparently ?
[01:10] <tgm4883> kant_, it has to do with dependencies. Still, I'm unsure how you got into this. What repo were you using?
[01:10] <Triple_> Hello, does anyone know how I merge my windows steam games with my Linux ones?
[01:10] <Scarberian> Can somebody take a look at my ask page? http://askubuntu.com/questions/260503/unable-to-boot-12-10-amd64-live-usb-on-gt5436e
[01:11] <Triple_> So I dont have to reinstall
[01:11] <tgm4883> !steam | Triple_
[01:11] <kant_> tgm4883: standard canonical repo for precise
[01:11] <dakotawulfy> : kant that would be the 12.10 not 12.04
[01:11] <tgm4883> kant_, 32 or 64 bit?
[01:11] <kant_> tgm4883: 32
[01:11] <tgm4883> dakotawulfy, the 3.1 build is in precise updates
[01:11] <dward> Triple, just login and you will be able to redownload the games that are linux compativle
[01:11] <dward> compatble
[01:11] <Triple_> Yes I know
[01:11] <Scarberian> he wants to migrate them
[01:11] <Triple_> But I dont want to redownload them
[01:11] <Triple_> Yeah.
[01:12] <tgm4883> kant_, I'd just try to download the deb and install it  http://mirror.pnl.gov/ubuntu//pool/main/p/python2.7/python2.7-minimal_2.7.3-0ubuntu3.1_amd64.deb
[01:12] <Scarberian> install steam linux
[01:12] <Triple_> I have.
[01:12] <Scarberian> and copy your steam apps folder into the .steam folder
[01:12] <kant_> tgm4883: I tried. it won't install
[01:12] <dward> Triple_ the binaries are different and needed to be ported to linux and recomplied
[01:12] <kant_> dpkg problem
[01:12] <dward> Triple_ your windows versions won't work
[01:12] <dakotawulfy> : kant none of your python works or just a program ????
[01:12] <Triple_> Alright.
[01:12] <Triple_> Thanks.
[01:13] <tgm4883> kant_, oh wait, apt-get isn't broke, it just can't resolve that dependency issue. Do you have the -updates repo activated?
[01:13] <dward> Triple_ you could use wine if you truly needed to to create a windows runtime enviornment but it would be difficult, may not work, and preformance would not be as good as native
[01:14] <tgm4883> dward, that isn't 100% true
[01:14] <kunji> Wish me luck, I'm about to try installing and using Nutch, I'll be asking for help if it doesn't go well :P
[01:14] <kant_> tgm4883: looking at my /etc/apt/sources.list , i see deb http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[01:14] <kant_> tgm4883: so I guess yes ?
[01:14] <dward> tgm4883 what do you mean?
[01:14] <tgm4883> kant_, what if you do an apt-get update
[01:15] <dakotawulfy> Triple could us virtualbox if u have a windows disk
[01:15] <tgm4883> dward, some of the files are usable  between windows and linux steam apparently
[01:15] <kant_> tgm4883: it does update a list of urls then shows the msg : W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ precise/partner i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_partner_binary-i386_Packages)
[01:15] <kant_> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[01:15] <kant_> tgm4883: " you may want to run apt-get update " ... but isn't that what I've just done ?
[01:15] <dward> tgm4883 did not know that.
[01:16] <tgm4883> kant_, ok, how about 'rmadison python-minimal2.7'
[01:16] <kant_> tgm4883: what do you reckon is the problem ?
[01:16] <dward> tgm4883 maybe some libraries but i doubt the launchers are compatible. so you would have to redownload anyways wouldn
[01:16] <dward> t you?
[01:17] <tgm4883> dward, I've not done it as I don't have a windows install, but I see people get help for that over in #ubuntu-steam all the time
[01:17] <tgm4883> kant_, ok, how about 'rmadison python-minimal2.7'
[01:17] <kant_> tgm4883: so I was asking ... what do you reckon is the problem? I mean, why should I install a different version ?
[01:18] <kunji> Oh... hmm, what are the advantages/disadvantages of using Nutch 1.6 vs. 2.1?
[01:18] <tgm4883> kant_, you aren't insttalling a different version?
[01:18] <tgm4883> kant_, can you pastebin the output of that command please?
[01:18] <kant_> tgm4883: how does installing madison python-minimal 2.7 solve my problem ?
[01:19] <tgm4883> kant_, actually it's rmadison, and that isn't a different version, it's a command for you to run
[01:19] <tgm4883> kant_, 'rmadison python-minimal2.7'
[01:19] <tgm4883> !rmadison
[01:19] <kant_> tgm4883: sorry ; it says rmadison is not installed
[01:19] <tgm4883> kant_, right, I forget what isn't included on most systems
[01:20] <tgm4883> hmm
[01:20] <kant_> tgm4883: apt-get install rmadison returns -> unable to locate package information
[01:20] <tgm4883> kant_, what about a simple 'apt-get -f install'
[01:20] <dr_willis> !find rmadison
[01:20] <dr_willis> hmm
[01:20] <kant_> tgm4883: that would show the same problem as above, i.e. Version of python2.7-minimal on system is 2.7.3-0ubuntu3.1.
[01:21] <joeyjoejoe> hello ubuntu keystrokes are really laggy llliiikkeee tthisss
[01:22] <tgm4883> kant_, can you pastebin your sources.list file?
[01:22] <dr_willis> joeyjoejoe: is the console affected the same way?
[01:22] <kant_> tgm4883: my pleasure, here it is http://pastebin.com/MXb7idpw
[01:23] <tgm4883> kant_, you can remove line 20 if you add multiverse to line 6 and 7
[01:24] <kant_> tgm4883: cool, removed
[01:24] <joeyjoejoe> dr_willis:  yes connsole is the same
[01:24] <tgm4883> kant_, that will fix the duplicate line error
[01:24] <kant_> tgm4883: yup :)
[01:25] <tgm4883> kant_, can you pastebin 'dpkg -l python2.7*'
[01:27] <kant_> tgm4883: do I execute this from a directory where I have saved the .deb ?
[01:27] <tgm4883> kant_, no, anywhere
[01:28] <Tex_Nick> joeyjoejoe:  when you say ... keystrokes are really laggy llliiikkeee tthisss ... that almost looks to me like a hardware keyboard debounce problem ... have you tried another keyboard ?
[01:28] <kant_> tgm4883: it says no packages found matching python2.7-2.7.3
[01:29] <dr_willis> joeyjoejoe: that would point to a kernel or hardware issue. id test with a non ubuntu live cd. like tinycorelinux or dsl. and see if those are affected also.
[01:29] <tgm4883> kant_, my bad, do it outside of the directory that you saved that file in (otherwise it tries to be smart and autocomplete what is in your directory)
[01:30] <kant_> tgm4883: thanks, here http://pastebin.com/eWDfRr02
[01:32] <kunji> joeyjoejoe: Could also be a power problem, I know the Raspberry Pi does that under Raspbian if it doesn't have enough power.
[01:33] <linuxdoc66> Greetings.
[01:33] <joeyjoejoe> kunji: my battery is not chargingg properly on laaaaaptop
[01:33] <tgm4883> kant_, oh man, I read your error message wrong. I've been troubleshooting the wrong package. We need to try and upgrade the python2.7 package, not python2.7-minimal
[01:33] <tgm4883> kant_, my bad
[01:34] <kant_> tgm4883: so is the problem the fact that i have python2.7.3-0ubuntu3 instead of ubuntu3.1 ?
[01:34] <joeyjoejoe> kunji: lol i get it
[01:34] <tgm4883> kant_, what happens if you try 'apt-get install python2.7=2.7.3-0ubuntu3.1'
[01:34] <tgm4883> kant_, yea
[01:34] <kant_> tgm4883: wow ...
[01:34] <tgm4883> kant_, technically, it's python2.7 version 2.7.3-0ubuntu3
[01:35] <kant_> tgm4883: now .. I'll have to do this another way , because apt-get will not play
[01:35] <kant_> tgm4883: it 'depends' on python and ..python is broken . nice
[01:36] <tgm4883> kant_, can you try to do it that way? we're trying to force the version to upgrade
[01:36] <kant_> tgm4883: ython2.7 depends on python2.7-minimal (= 2.7.3-0ubuntu3); however:
[01:36] <kant_>   Version of python2.7-minimal on system is 2.7.3-0ubuntu3.1.
[01:36] <kant_> tgm4883: I've tried a few times already
[01:36] <tgm4883> kant_, hmm, that doesn't make sense as we're specifying version
[01:36] <kant_> tgm4883: could I install from source ?
[01:37] <tgm4883> kant_, no need, I've a few more tricks up my sleeve
[01:37] <kant_> tgm4883: sounds good :)
[01:37] <dakotawulfy> tgm4883
[01:37] <tgm4883> kant_, what about if we do the opposite? downgrade python2.7-minimal
[01:37] <tgm4883> dakotawulfy, ?
[01:38] <kant_> tgm4883: again - if I have to do that via apt-get , it won't play
[01:38] <dakotawulfy> tgm4883 have a question sure that python is broken or is it the program maybe is the problem
[01:38] <tgm4883> kant_, apt-get isn't broken
[01:38] <tgm4883> dakotawulfy, he can't apt-get things, because it's in an unresolvable state right now
[01:39] <dakotawulfy> ok
[01:39] <dakotawulfy>  sorry
[01:39] <tgm4883> dakotawulfy, no worries
[01:39] <kant_> tgm4883: so how do we downgrade to 2.7-minimal ubuntu3 without doing it from source
[01:39] <jeff_> hello
[01:39] <tgm4883> kant_, 'apt-get install python2.7-minimal=2.7.3-0ubuntu3'
[01:40] <Guest10162> Can anyone give me a hand with git?
[01:40] <dr_willis> !git
[01:40] <hejds> Any computer hacker who manages to download this video? http://jsfiddle.net/ndfgk/
[01:40] <Guest10162> Hmm, I didn't know linus created it... I'm just new to using it, and can't add files to an existing repo
[01:40] <kant_> tgm4883: I'll paste the output (it fails)
[01:41] <Guest10162> Anyone know how to add an existing project to a git repo?
[01:41] <kant_> tgm4883: http://pastebin.com/9S4Urm1z
[01:41] <kunji> Guest10162: http://git-scm.com/book
[01:41] <tgm4883> kant_, ok, now to 'apt-get -f install'
[01:42] <tgm4883> kant_, I'd like to see if that resolves it, or puts you back at the previous state (complaining about not being 3.1)
[01:42] <Guest10162> kunji: awesome, I'll check it out, thank you!
[01:42] <Tex_Nick> Guest10162:  have you asked in #git
[01:42] <kunji> Guest10162: np, it's what I learned form, but I haven't used git in like a year and a half, I remember nothing :P
[01:42] <kant_> tgm4883: I know but I've already tried, http://pastebin.com/s7QrR8UY - again, it fails
[01:43] <kant_> tgm4883: apt-get is totally relying on a solid python installation; when something goes wrong it's game over
[01:43] <tgm4883> kant_, no it's not
[01:43] <mfilipe> I'm trying install the steam package but I always get "No candidate version found for steam:i386". What is the problem?
[01:44] <tgm4883> kant_, it's not relying on a solid python installation, it's not relying on python at all (to my knowledge)
[01:44] <tgm4883> kant_, so lets try downgrading the packages again, I'm going to give you a few more packages to downgrade (to resolve the previous error)
[01:44] <kant_> tgm4883: then - on a side note - why would it fail with the error msg above when we only try and ' apt -get -f install ' ?
[01:44] <kant_> tgm4883: thank you
[01:45] <kant_> tgm4883: needless to say, I really appreciate your help
[01:45] <tgm4883> kant_, you are confusing it relying on a python install with relying on a consistant package state
[01:45] <kant_> tgm4883: oh , i think i see what you mean now
[01:46] <kant_> tgm4883: so it could be any package
[01:46] <kant_> tgm4883: that is in a broken state
[01:46] <Tex_Nick> 12.10 with gnome classic de ... i recently added a second monitor, it worked fine till i rebooted ... on reboot the bios POST is displayed on both monitors & GRUB is displayed on both monitors ... when it gets to the lightdm login, i loose one monitor ... at the desktop i have to use the "display settings" to toggle the inactive monitor off then back on ... what can i do to not have to go through that kludge ?
[01:46] <tgm4883> kant_, 'apt-get install python2.7-minimal=2.7.3-0ubuntu3 python2.7-dev=2.7.3-0ubuntu3 libpython2.7=2.7.3-0ubuntu3 '
[01:46] <kant_> tgm4883: but apt-get does not need python to run .. .
[01:46] <tgm4883> kant_, exactly
[01:47] <dr_willis> mfilipe:  i just downloaded and installed the steam_latest.deb   the software center version dident want to install for me
[01:48] <dr_willis> Tex_Nick: what video card and drivers
[01:48] <kant_> tgm4883: that was successful
[01:48] <tgm4883> \0/
[01:48] <kant_> tgm4883: what next
[01:48] <tgm4883> kant_, nothing, should be fixed now :)
[01:48] <OerHeks> good start for steam https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve
[01:48] <kant_> tgm4883: tried apt-get -f install and .. yeah it works
[01:49] <tgm4883> kant_, you can do an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to see if it wants to upgrade the four packages
[01:49] <kant_> tgm4883: thank you so much, I can't tell you how helpful this was, I was stuck
[01:49] <tgm4883> kant_, yea that was odd
[01:50] <ponyofde1th> hi, anyone know why my dist-upgrade times out after a few packages downloaded? here is my tcpdump http://paste.ubuntu.com/5569393
[01:50] <kant_> tgm4883: yeah upgrade seems to be installing the 3.1 build again now
[01:51] <kant_> but i guess libpython and python-minimal and the rest of them will be aligned now
[01:51] <Tex_Nick> dr_willis : oh man i'm afraid to tell you ... cause i know AMD is at the bottom of your prefereed list ;-) ... AMD A6-3500 APU with AMD Radeon 6530D graphics ... with the suggested driver in "Additional Drivers"
[01:51] <mfilipe> dr_willis: hum... I did that
[01:51] <kant_> tgm4883: thanks again, that did it  - worth staying up at 1:51am (UK time) :)
[01:52] <dr_willis> Tex_Nick: well with nvidia. id run the nvudia settings tool as root and save to the xorg.conf..   you may be neding to use that   amdccle  amds setting tool. not the displays tool.
[01:53] <Tex_Nick> dr_willis : the driver works great once i manually toggle the second monitor back on after reboot
[01:53] <kunji> Tex_Nick: You said you're using the suggested proprietary driver?  You should toggle the monitor with catalyst then, not with the display properties.
[01:53] <dr_willis> yea.. catylyst. ;-)  i frogot the name
[01:53] <kunji> Tex_Nick: I'm running the A10 here with 3 monitors, no problems ^_^
[01:54] <tgm4883> kant_, glad I could help :)
[01:54] <dr_willis> if it saves optoons to xorg.conf then the login screen will use them also
[01:54] <kunji> dr_willis: It does not as far as I can tell, but it works somehow
[01:55] <dakotawulfy>   3 monitors:'( i wish i had 3 monitors
[01:55] <Tex_Nick> dr_willis & kunji : ok guys that's pointed me in a good direction ... will try catalyst ... thanks to both of you ;-)
[01:56] <dakotawulfy> kunji what video card do u have???
[01:56] <kunji> Tex_Nick: And make sure to run the one with (Administrative), I don't think you'll be able to change it with the less privileged one
[01:56] <kunji> dakotawulfy: It's just the integrated video in the A10 processor
[01:57] <dakotawulfy> and support 3 monitors???
[01:57] <Tex_Nick> kunji : ok i understand ... thanks ;-)
[01:57] <kzetts> Hi guys, I have a laptop with a 1366x768 resolution. I remember when netbooks were first really popular, there were ways to trick the monitors into displaying higher resolutions. Is there any way I can trick my Xorg into displaying a much higher resolution and have my shit all super tiny?
[01:57] <kunji> dakotawulfy: I think it would choke doing gaming, but for video playback and all my everyday stuff it's been fine
[01:58] <dakotawulfy> i got a nvidia and 2 monitor runs good not bad for gamming not sure if the sli working right
[01:58] <kzetts> Anyone?
[01:58] <dakotawulfy>  but then agin only works on one
[01:58] <kunji> kzetts: The interpolation, hmm, I have it going in Windows on my S10-3t, not sure how to do it in linux though, even in windows I don't know if I could reproduce it on another machine
[01:59] <kzetts> Do you think the guys in #xorg would be more knowledgeable?
[01:59] <kzetts> Or maybe the arch linux nerds?
[01:59] <jrib> !fixres | kzetts
[02:00] <jrib> kzetts: start by trying the drivers for your card first if you haven't already
[02:00] <kunji> kzetts:  http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1265544  This is basically how that goes, they might know more, it's worth a shot, good luck.
[02:00] <dr_willis> kzetts: check the archlinux wikis also
[02:00] <kzetts> jrib: read my question. I have all the correct drivers. My resolution is correct, I want to know how to make it display an unsupported(higher resolution)
[02:00] <jrib> kzetts: yes, see the factoid.
[02:01] <dr_willis> kzetts: x used to have a panning feature. but i never got it working on my netbook
[02:01] <kzetts> I've got pretty good eyes, so I would love to get like a 1920 resolution onb my 12.5 in screen
[02:02] <kunji> dr_willis: I remember the panning, but that's not what he's referring to, what this does is basically guess what color a pixel should be when you don't actually have enough pixels to go around, so it does a mapping and some information is lost.
[02:05] <jrib> kzetts: if you can't set the resolution you want directly like described in the factoid, you might try the scale switch that xrandr has
[02:06] <kunji> jrib: Looking at that, it looks like it's what he's looking for
[02:07] <kunji> kzetts: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=20634
[02:10] <ps2> So is it possible to run on mint 14 two separate users on one desktop with two monitors/keyboards/mice using some sort of split of workspaces? given some additional downloaded drivers or external programs?
[02:10] <bazhang> !mintsupport | ps2
[02:11] <ps2> ok yah i went to there no one helpped me there
[02:11] <dward> you tell 'um ubottu
[02:11] <PadNet_201> lol
[02:11] <ps2> Well is it possible to any distribution of linux?
[02:11] <kunji> ps2: As indicated, it's not supported here, I would keep trying there, or use their forums.  It's perfectly possible to answer your question, but you might be writing those drivers yourself :P
[02:12] <ps2> New question:
[02:12] <ps2> is it possible for two people to use one pc at the same time using multiple keyboards and mice and monitors
[02:13] <kunji> ps2: Yes, absolutely
[02:13] <ps2> kunji: how?
[02:13] <ps2> kunji: some keywords for me to look it up? any hints?
[02:14] <kalenjohnson> I saw a program on kickstarter the other day that let people log in and have a virtual desktop from one main computer
[02:14] <kalenjohnson> forget what it was called though
[02:15] <qwebirc40812> ps2, such as LTSP?
[02:15] <dward> ps2 look up x11 multiuser
[02:15] <qwebirc40812> i think, ltsp is more advenced
[02:16] <dward> ps2 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1681946
[02:16] <vincentS> ps2, google multi login ubuntu
[02:16] <dward> ps2 look up ubuntu multiseat
[02:18] <kunji> ps2: That's where things get hairy  T.T, I'm reading a little bit now, multiseat looks promising.  There may or may not be a product that does everything you want out of the box.
[02:19] <dr_willis> there was some special mulitseat hardware at one time also.
[02:19] <dr_willis> i forget the company name. but it was not very expensive
[02:19] <ps2> yes multiseat is correct i think that is what we needed thanks for all the help
[02:20] <Tawnee> How do I set the unity laucher thingy to default to searching the app store instead of amazon when it otherwise doesn't find anything
[02:20] <dr_willis> a $50 gizmo that had vga. and mouse and keybord ports
[02:22] <Pinkamena_D> hi i just started getting this 403 forbidden error trying to access transmission-daemon remotely. I have sshed in and changed the rpc-whitelist to false, but whenever i restart the daemon, it goes back to true
[02:22] <Pinkamena_D> any ideas?
[02:24] <ahoneybun> Pinkamena_D, not sure
[02:25] <Riplok> what application can i use as an application server for ubuntu server 12.04
[02:27] <dward> what type of application are we talking about
[02:29] <Riplok> something where i can install an application and host it to my client's. For example i want to host Gimp for client without them having my users install it but at the same time giving them access to the application and let the server do the processing.
[02:29] <dr_willis> sounds like x forwardong to me...
[02:29] <kunji> Riplok: hmm, you could do ssh
[02:29] <kunji> dr_willis: Yeah, what I was thinking
[02:29] <dr_willis> but that wont access the local files.
[02:30] <dr_willis> and can be sluggish for many cases
[02:30] <kunji> dr_willis: Yeah, T.T
[02:31] <dr_willis> take the idea to the next level.. and you got those good old 'x terminal' workstations
[02:31] <dr_willis> thinclients i think was another name for them
[02:32] <qwebirc40812> all diskless clients can use pxe to connect the ltsp server on ubuntu
[02:32] <dr_willis> yep. never messed with that stuff. ;)
[02:37] <zack6849> im having a problem with skype, i installed it from the software center and all notifications and noises it makes are heavily distorted as if they are corrupted, when it plays a notificiation it will cut off then play two times fast, or when i get a message it will make an EXTEREMLEY loud buzzing noise
[02:37] <zack6849> ive found one other person who reported this issue and that was two years ago on fedora
[02:38] <zack6849> if this makes any difference i've changed the default sampling channel count in pulseaudio to 8 because the headset i use is 7.1 surround sound
[02:40] <zack6849> this is also on 12.04 LTS for desktop amd64
[02:42] <zack6849> anybody?
[02:44] <DarkHalo> i'm trying to configure ALSA and I keep getting the error "line 3568: syntax error near unexpected token `)'"
[02:46] <DarkHalo> I might have screwed up the audio drivers even though i'm following the tutorial exactly. When installing, I shouldn't have to sudo anything right?
[02:47] <Laogeodritt> zack6849: only Skype? sounds like a driver issue, but I don't really know about audio hardware and drivers on Linux
[02:47] <irssi> Ubuntu: I cannot boot a usb stick that I loaded syslinux on the official helpfile says to run install-mbr from package mbr but there is no package mbr for the current system i am running what is the deal shouldnt an mbr lhave been created by cfdisk when i formatted the drive?
[02:48] <din> iscon
[02:48] <smokey1> hello
[02:49] <dr_willis> !find install-mbr
[02:49] <dr_willis> !info mbr
[02:50] <dr_willis> mbr package is in the universe repository
[02:50] <smokey1> any hear use xbmc
[02:50] <irssi> dr_willis: not sure universe repository is safe for boot record stuff has anyone inspected it for CIH virus?
[02:50] <dr_willis> smokey1:  lots of people do
[02:51] <methril_> I just uninstalled windows
[02:51] <dr_willis> irssi:  no idea.  i would be suprised if a package thats been around that long had a virus
[02:52] <dr_willis> i dont see why univers repo would be any unsafer then any of the main repo
[02:52] <calwig> um i just overwrote 2 files, is there a way to get these back while its in memory
[02:52] <calwig> this really sucks, theyre image files
[02:52] <irssi> dr_willis: is there a better way to make the stick bootable?
[02:52] <calwig> help help help
[02:52] <calwig> image001.jpg image002.jpg were overwritten by two similar files
[02:52] <dr_willis> irssi:  we done know what you are doing... you can install grub, grub2, lilo, or syslinus onto a disk to boot it
[02:52] <Dayofswords> calwig: they're gone
[02:53] <linxon634> =_)
[02:53] <kunji> calwig: Hmm, are you sure they're in memory?  You could check /tmp also there's ways to get a dump of all your memory and you could sift through that afterwards, I'm not really familiar with them though.
[02:54] <dr_willis> configuring the bootloader to boot the os. is the  harder task
[02:54] <calwig> kunji, ok will check
[02:54] <calwig> kunji, how does someone do that?
[02:55] <kunji> calwig: As I was saying, I know it can be done, I haven't ever done it.  This might help http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Tools:Memory_Imaging#Linux
[02:56] <calwig> awesome thanks, i will read into it. its not THAT important they were 2 images taken and took 2 more different images, with same names so the latter overwrote the initial
[02:58] <kunji> calwig: If you can get the memory dump, then there are some other tools that can search for images in it, but yeah, it's not something I've had a chance to play with.
[02:58] <irssi> dr_willis: I have installed syslinux which i thought was the lilo installer i followed the official documentation https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/amd64/boot-usb-files.html
[02:58] <calwig> kunji, wicked
[02:59] <dr_willis> irssi:  lilo and syslinix are 2 apps that do a similer job.  syslinix is not lilo.
[03:00] <dr_willis> you install syslinux to the mbr of the disk and make a proper syslinux.cfg for it to read/use  when the disk boots.. is the core of it
[03:00] <Spec> quup: need any help with Ubuntu, good sir?
[03:00] <quup> Spec· yes, how do I run modern war?
[03:00] <irssi> dr_willis: so i did a config file and it never displays the menu
[03:01] <dr_willis> irssi:  i would guess you did it wrong, or got it in the     wrong placd on the flash
[03:01] <Willhxr> Noob question: I'm not very new for linux, I've already 'played' with it, and now I want to know something, is ubuntu a great choice for someone who wants to know everything about the system? or other distro is recommended ?
[03:01] <dr_willis> !appdb
[03:02] <dr_willis> Willhxr:  'everything' is a broad topic. ive used linux for 12+ yrs and still dont know everything
[03:02] <kunji> Willhxr: It's fine if you're motivated to dig around, but it won't force you to learn it.  For that I would probably recommend Arch
[03:02] <dr_willis> Willhxr:  ubuntu should work well for you
[03:02] <Spec> quup: man wine.
[03:03] <dr_willis> Willhxr:  then play with other distros in virtualbox
[03:03] <dakotawulfy> i have a question is there an openbox  os for ubuntu  is peremint still open box are they never changed back to openbox???
[03:03] <quup> Spec· whiskey?
[03:03] <ahoneybun> I recommend Arch as well
[03:03] <dr_willis> dakotawulfy:  you can just install the openbox package if you want. lubuntu uses openbox also
[03:03] <DeliriumTremens> so i think i'm missing something, i set up sshd on my ubuntu server box, and i have a variety of users set up that i would like to be able to log in remotely (all from the same machine)
[03:04] <DeliriumTremens> so on the client machine i created an ssh pub/priv keypair and i added the public key to all the users on the remote machine's auth_keys file
[03:04] <dakotawulfy> well just wondering if they had one out there so lubuntu  has openbox on their install ???
[03:04] <Willhxr> Thank you dr_willis, ahoneybun, kunji
[03:04] <DeliriumTremens> one of those users is able to login and authenticate
[03:04] <DeliriumTremens> the rest do not
[03:05] <dr_willis> dakotawulfy:  lxde/lubuntu uses openbox
[03:05] <ahoneybun> lubuntu uses lxde/openbox
[03:05] <dr_willis> openbox is trivial to install via the package manager on any *buntu system
[03:06] <dakotawulfy>  i thought it was lxde is the desktop ??? right but has openbox??
[03:06] <dr_willis> openbox is a window manager used by the desktop
[03:06] <irssi> dr_willis: should I install it to the partition /dev/sdX1 or the device /dev/sdX
[03:06] <dakotawulfy> sorry just asking was working on a openbox for ubuntu
[03:06] <dr_willis> irssi:  mbr loaders go to the mbr of the hard drive.. not a partition.  so   sda
[03:06] <dakotawulfy> distro
[03:06] <dr_willis> not sda1
[03:07] <dakotawulfy>  real easy to use and load low on ram
[03:07] <ahoneybun> Willhxr, if you want to compile your own packages, Gentoo, and Slackware would work, but Arch is a good point of understanding the inter parts of Linux
[03:07] <dr_willis> dakotawulfy:  not much point in such a thing really..  its easy to install openbox on a minimla install if thats all you want
[03:08] <ahoneybun> dakotawulfy, LXDE handles the desktop and such, openbox handles the windows
[03:08] <dakotawulfy> ok
[03:08] <dr_willis> or install lubuntu, and select openbox at the login screen
[03:08] <dr_willis> or install openbox on any *buntu and select it at the login screen
[03:08] <ahoneybun> if you want bare minimal Crunchbang uses Debian stable with XFCE/openbox
[03:09] <irssi> dr_willis: might want to update the documentation then
[03:09] <dakotawulfy>  no sorry
[03:09] <dakotawulfy>  i was making a distro that use open box
[03:09] <dr_willis> i thought lxde used lxfm
[03:09] <dr_willis> or lxwm
[03:09] <dakotawulfy>  for the main thing with other parts to make a full desktop
[03:10] <bravis> what does Ubuntu use instead of gparted to format usb?
[03:10] <ahoneybun> well Lubuntu uses openbox
[03:10] <kunji> bravis: gparted :P
[03:10] <irssi> dr_willis: syslinux is apparently not an mbr loader
[03:10] <bravis> lol ok apt get
[03:10] <irssi> dr_willis: will you fix my computer?
[03:11] <dr_willis> irssi:  part of it goes on the mbr. it then reads config files from a partition
[03:11] <kunji> bravis: At least I do, if it's doing it some other way it's probably mkfs or something
[03:11] <ahoneybun> kunji, you can use that program to install Ubuntu on a USB just to format it
[03:11] <dr_willis> irssi:  i dont even know your CORE problem
[03:11] <dakotawulfy> if u install it to the usb with regular install will it write grub to usb???
[03:11] <irssi> dr_willis: look at that documentation i was tring to boot an iso from usb for installation
[03:12] <kunji> dakotawulfy:During installation you can choose what device to write grub to
[03:12] <kunji> *: D
[03:12] <dr_willis> irssi:  you dont use syslinux to boot an iso FILE.. you can setup grub2 on a usb to boot an iso FILE
[03:12] <kunji> ahoneybun: Err, can you rephrase that question.
[03:12] <dakotawulfy> thought so just not checked it out fully last time i did it did not have harddrive hooked up just had usb
[03:13] <dr_willis> syslinux could boot the extracted files from an iso.. but grub2 method is easier
[03:13] <ahoneybun> kunji, not a question
[03:13] <irssi> dr_willis: well the documentation says that it will boot the installer then it scans for iso files
[03:13] <dr_willis> i just use grub2 to boot iso files.. perhaps its a new feature of syslinuc ive never used
[03:14] <kunji> ahoneybun: Then could you really rephrase it, because it's not making any sense to me at all T.T
[03:14] <dr_willis> the pendrivelinux site has guides on making grub2 boot iso files.
[03:16] <kunji> ahoneybun: Makes sense if you meant can't instead of can... but still, I didn't say it could be used that way.
[03:17] <zack6849> Laogeodritt, i thought so too but its skype only, the sound works just fine for all other applications
[03:17] <irssi> dr_willis: i do so
[03:18] <ahoneybun> kunji, the startup disk creator
[03:18] <irssi> dr_willis: i follow manuel
[03:19] <irssi> dr_willis: i use syslinux to boot the installer which scans for iso FILE
[03:19] <kunji> ahoneybun:umm, but I didn't say anything about the startup disk creator...
[03:19] <irssi> dr_willis: u make boot my system (slamming fist) now!
[03:20] <irssi> dr_willis: hurry up
[03:22] <dr_willis> boot what installer?  i normally boot iso files.
[03:22] <kunji> ahoneybun:Okay, I read back carefully and I see what you meant.  But the startup disk creator is pretty much a GUI with some scripts and uses some other stuff underneath, which I would hazard is still mkfs
[03:23] <irssi> dr_willis: boot the vmlinuz debian installer which scans for iso files
[03:23] <irssi> dr_willis: hurry up
[03:23] <irssi> dr_willis: u make my system boot (slamming fist) now!
[03:24] <kunji> irssi:Sounds like you're jumping through a lot of hoops, Grub2 is boss, I would highly recommend it.
[03:24] <irssi> kunji: i habe no boss
[03:25] <dr_willis> vmlinux is a kernel... not an installer...
[03:25] <kunji> irssi: Let me clarify, Grub2 is awesome
[03:25] <irssi> whatever i was just following manuel
[03:25] <kunji> irssi: Which manual?
[03:25] <irssi> someone needs to write a better manuel
[03:25] <kunji> !grub | irssi
[03:26] <dr_willis> and you tell it via options to mount the iso via the loop back features..
[03:26] <kunji> irssi: grub2 has a pretty awesome manual as well :P
[03:26] <irssi> dr_willis: I have installed syslinux which i thought was the lilo installer i followed the official documentation https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/amd64/boot-usb-files.html
[03:26] <forumcash> i have root account and i lost other account password. Is there anyway to recover it?
[03:26] <dr_willis> i only boot iso files with grub2
[03:26] <Nothing_Much> I have a problem with re enabling Unity 3D on 12.10
[03:27] <dr_willis> forumcash: you can change it. but not recover it.
[03:27] <forumcash> dr_willis: how?
[03:27] <irssi> this is the reason i cant sleep at night
[03:27] <dr_willis> sudo passwd username
[03:27] <forumcash> dr_willis: let me try
[03:28] <irssi> kunji: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/amd64/boot-usb-files.html
[03:28] <forumcash> thanks :)
[03:28] <Nothing_Much> Can somebody tell me how to re enable Unity 3D from LLVMPIPE?
[03:28] <kunji> irssi: Hmm, what is the end goal here?
[03:29] <Nothing_Much> Hello?
[03:29] <irssi> kunji: to install the iso
[03:29] <kunji> To have a usb drive to boot from and install Ubuntu to an internal hard drive?  Or to install Ubuntu to the USB drive as if it was a regular hard drive?
[03:30] <irssi> kunji: to install the iso to an internal hardrive with an advanced partitioning scheme
[03:30] <dr_willis> irssi: that guide is for making a netboot usb....
[03:30] <kunji> irssi: Just use the startup disk creator, you're killing yourself for nothing :P
[03:30] <Nothing_Much> Hmm.
[03:31] <dr_willis> dd the iso to usb.. boot it...
[03:31] <kunji> irssi: What dr_willis just said should also work
[03:31] <irssi> i know these ways will work but they require copying the file which is already on disk
[03:31] <irssi> wasting energy
[03:32] <irssi> environmental hazard the UN might arrest me
[03:32] <SanDiegoGuy> Hi guys
[03:32]  * dr_willis sees a waste here....
[03:32] <kunji> irssi: umm... isn't it wasting more energy just from the monitor to be on irc trying to figure out a different way?
[03:32] <irssi> kunji: i oftentimes get a system crash when using the usb creator also
[03:33] <kunji> irssi: Well, use dd then ^_^
[03:33] <SanDiegoGuy> can anyone help me out ?
[03:33] <kunji> !ask | SanDiegoGuy
[03:33] <SanDiegoGuy> I'm having a minor issues with xubuntu
[03:33] <dr_willis> SanDiegoGuy: with?
[03:33] <Nothing_Much> I think they're busy
[03:33] <irssi> kunji: how did you know the monitor was on
[03:33] <ahoneybun> I'm here and open
[03:33] <kalenjohnson> !patience
[03:34] <irssi> kunji: i could be blind and using braille
[03:34] <kunji> irssi: I hacked your system :P,.... sure you could be... but chances are....
[03:34] <SanDiegoGuy> so I just installed xubuntu and the panel that has the clock and other stuff is all together
[03:34] <SanDiegoGuy> I want to have the clock on the right corner but its all on the left squished
[03:34] <SanDiegoGuy> I don't know how to explain it better
[03:35] <kunji> irssi: Anyway, don't the braille systems take more energy?  Hmm, really not sure
[03:35] <irssi> well really i wanted to do what the heading says "know whats going on"
[03:35] <ahoneybun> SanDiegoGuy, right click the panel
[03:35] <SanDiegoGuy> ok
[03:36] <SanDiegoGuy> I go to panel preferences but cant seem to get the wifi indicator and clock to go on the bottom right
[03:37] <kunji> irssi: Now that's a much more viable reason :P
[03:38] <thiefy> when i wipe my comptuer (i have multiple hard drives in it) and reinstall a different OS. what happens to the ownership on the files on the other hard drives that i did not wipe?
[03:39] <kunji> thiefy: Nothing at all
[03:39] <irssi> so it boots the kernel and what is the initrd.gz?
[03:40] <kunji> irssi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd
[03:40] <thiefy> kunji and that won't cause any problems?
[03:40] <SanDiegoGuy> ok so can anyone help me please?
[03:40] <irssi> kunji: so the initrd should be the debian installer
[03:41] <kunji> irssi: I don't think so
[03:41] <irssi> kunji: so how does this manuel suppose this setup is going to boot an iso?
[03:42] <jdukiet> SanDiegoGuy: install SETI@Home and listen to some alien transmissions. You might get your answer faster ! LOL! Sorry, I wish I could help you.
[03:43] <kunji> irssi:I don't think it "boots" from the iso per se, I think it runs from the initrd and just mounts the iso as a loopback device, but I'm not too familiar with this.
[03:45] <kunji> irssi: The Debian installer should I think be in the initrd
[03:45] <irssi> kunji: maybe i should switch to debian
[03:46] <SanDiegoGuy> I fixed it
[03:46] <SanDiegoGuy> thanks for your help #ubuntu
[03:46] <kunji> SanDiegoGuy: Can you tell us what you did?
[03:47] <kunji> irssi: Maybe, I don't know your situation.
[03:47] <irssi> kunji: same as i told dr_willis just trying to do exactly what the manwel says
[03:48] <irssi> that is my constituation
[03:48] <SanDiegoGuy> added a separator and hit expand separator
[03:49] <dr_willis> irssi: that guide is for making a netboot usb....   not boot an iso file
[03:49] <kunji> irssi: As dr_willis said though, that guide is actually for netbooting
[03:49] <dr_willis> so im done.
[03:49] <irssi> well the guide says otherwise
[03:50] <kunji> SanDiegoGuy: Thanks for letting us know, I would have helped, but I've actually never used Xubuntu so I didn't know that.
[03:50] <irssi> this channel basically nullifies anything the documentation says so between the two it is 0 support
[03:50] <kunji> irssi: Let me quote the guide, "For the first installation method you'll need to download an installer image from the netboot directory"
[03:51] <irssi> kunji: but i was doing the second method that says "to know what is going on"
[03:52] <irssi> kunji: and ends with — you have the option
[03:52] <irssi> of copying a full CD ISO image to it.
[03:53] <kunji> irssi: mmk, I think I see what you mean
[03:53] <irssi> see
[03:53] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[03:53] <irssi> i try to open up peoples eyes
[03:54] <kunji> irssi: So, what was the actual problem following that?
[03:54] <irssi> this channel reminds me of a bunch of newborn pinkey hamsters whose eylids havent opened yet
[03:54] <dr_willis> too bad your attitude makes them /ignore you
[03:54] <irssi> see
[03:55] <irssi> yeah bad attitude trying to save them from the snakes
[03:55] <eightiesk> hell o
[03:56] <dr_willis> hi eightiesk
[03:56] <kunji> irssi: Ah, I found your original issue.  Should an mbr have been created... well that depends how your formatted doesn't it
[03:56] <kunji> *you
[03:57] <irssi> kunji: i did so using the guides suggestions
[03:57] <kunji> cfdisk?
[03:57] <sidney_> Can I set the kernel boot options from a live cd?
[03:57] <irssi> kunji: it made sense to me that the final part about mbr was in the case that a preformatted stick was used that manwel mentions earlier
[03:58] <dr_willis> sidney_: you mean edit an installled systems options? or the lice cds?
[03:58] <irssi> kunji: yes cfdisk
[03:58] <sidney_> an installed system but I has to use a cd to boot the system
[03:58] <kunji> irssi: Well, I'm not really familiar with cfdisk, I don't know if it's supposed to or not
[03:59] <irssi> kunji: well gparted seems to claim it formatas the mbr
[03:59] <irssi> so trying that
[03:59] <kunji> irssi: mmk, I usually use gparted for all my formatting needs
[03:59] <sidney_> dr_willis, I was getting a blank screen on boot in 10.04
[03:59] <dr_willis> sidney_: you can do that without a live cd via the grub boot editing feature
[04:00] <dr_willis> !nomodeset
[04:00] <irssi> everytime i click on the fishbowl icon for help seems like i get some community documentation that always says add such and such a package and someone iw waiting right there with a trojan spliced onto the end of the package
[04:01] <kunji> irssi: You could just download the source and compile if you're that paranoid :P
[04:01] <irssi> kunji: working to get to that level but i need some fairly clean tools to operate with to start
[04:01] <sidney_> dr_willis, I if i choose nomodeset  @ the grub boot screen is that perminate?
[04:02] <irssi> how can a fish jump out of the pond
[04:02] <dr_willis> sidney_:      nope.     its a one time thing.. grub cant really write to the system that way
[04:02] <dr_willis> sidney_:  edit /etc/default/grub for perment changes
[04:02] <kunji> irssi: Well, first get a disposable fish, toss that out of the pond, if it's all good, then jump out :P
[04:03] <sidney_> ok I see will it boot'
[04:03] <irssi> kunji: i am hoping the LTS 64 bit system will support virtual machines, in preperation what packages would be needed to install virtual machines
[04:04] <irssi> kunji: virtual machines are disposable in a way
[04:04] <kunji> irssi: Real hardware is equally disposable, just work under the assumption that you might need to wipe and start again.
[04:04] <Gumby> hi all.  perhaps an odd Q, but does anyone know how to create a desktop icon that would simulate a keyboard shortcut (ie: pressing multiple buttons together).
[04:04] <trietptm> Hello everybody, I intend to install Ubuntu LTS 64-bit to setup Cuckoo sandbox, could you tell me if there is any limitation or inconvenience while doing malware analysis with Ubuntu 64-bit versus Ubuntu 32-bit?
[04:04] <pinguy> hi
[04:04] <kunji> irssi: Until you have the setup for virtual machines at least
[04:05] <pinguy> someone to talk?
[04:05] <irssi> kunji: time consuming dd over and over again
[04:05] <dr_willis> trietptm:  what kind of malware?
[04:05] <irssi> one reason why i wanted to be able to boot the ISO's
[04:06] <ttoti> Hey guys. Is there a channel I can join to learn about more information on contributing code to Ubuntu?
[04:06] <trietptm> Windows malware
[04:06] <Tex_Nick> dr_willis & kunji : i don't think i made myself perfectly clear on the graphics driver i was using ... it was the open source driver NOT the proprietary driver, which was recommended driver ? ... i switched drivers & now have the catalyst control center ... full control of my graphics & it fixed the boot detection problem on second monitor ... i should have been using that driver from the very start ... thanks to both of you for pointin
[04:06] <Tex_Nick> g me in that direction :-)
[04:06] <dr_willis> trietptm:  may as well stick to 32bit then. since you will be using wine for your core work
[04:07] <irssi> kunji: do you mean real software or hardware
[04:07] <dr_willis> Tex_Nick:  for full controll you normally want the propitary driver.
[04:07] <kunji> Tex_Nick: Ah, sorry about that, yeah, I don't think I tried on this machine with the open source driver.  I thought it was marked as recommended instead of the updates one or something.
[04:08] <kunji> Tex_Nick: glad it's working now though ^_^
[04:08] <irssi> kunji: i will try it now, maybe ttyl
[04:08] <Tex_Nick> dr_willis : yeah i understand sir ... thanks ;-)
[04:09] <Tex_Nick> kunji : yeah ... i just didn't make it clear ... man i luv this box ... tis the most stable linux build i've evre done ;-)
[04:12] <CreepDeck> Hi, I am about to install ufw firewall on slackware 14.0, is there any dependency for ufw except for iptables?
[04:14] <kunji> CreepDeck: slackware is not supported in this channel, also I don't know the answer to that question :P
[04:15] <CreepDeck> I am using a software created by ubuntu developers, so I thought this was the right place...
[04:15] <escott> CreepDeck, i believe its a python program
[04:16] <kunji> CreepDeck: ufw was?  It should have separate support, though I haven't really looked yet.
[04:16] <CreepDeck> Sounds good, is the daemon compatible with sysvinit systems or only upstart?
[04:18] <CreepDeck> nvm, I'll tias.
[04:18] <kunji> CreepDeck: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man8/ufw.8.html
[04:19] <ttoti> Hey guys, is there anyway to decrease the time it takes for laptop to wake up from suspend? It takes about 2 min for mine to wake up. In eOS i was able to wake up in about 10 secs
[04:19] <sidney_> dr_willis, thanks
[04:20] <kunji> CreepDeck: Nevermind, I thought dependencies would have been there, but I don't see them
[04:22] <edmondl> hello I have a rtl8192ce chipset wireless card and its being intermittent it says it is a known issue on the website is their a workaround?
[04:23] <edmondl> !wireless
[04:23] <dr_willis> if its a known bug.. hopefully they fix it in a newer kernel
[04:24] <edmondl> dr_willis, I can get it to work fine in Mint 14 but I can't remember the file i edited
[04:24] <codephobic> hi, I'm trying to setup a file share across my lan, between a debian squeeze box and ubuntu. The debian is setup to share folders using Samba and I've added users and made them members of the relevant group.
[04:24] <edmondl> Its been a while
[04:25] <codephobic> I can't seem to get ubuntu to access the files though, although with the same permissions I can access the files over ssh
[04:25] <dr_willis> codephobic:  for a linux to linux setup  you may want to look into sshfs
[04:26] <dr_willis> codephobic:        you did guve the users all samba passwords with   sudo smbpasswd -a username ?
[04:26] <codephobic> dr_willis, is that better than using samba? I have windows machines (well, a laptop and this machine's other hd) that will connect too, so I used samba.
[04:26] <codephobic> ah!
[04:26] <codephobic> maaaaybe not...
[04:26] <dr_willis> windows can use winscp ;)
[04:27] <dr_willis> i tend to enable the homes share. and give users a  samba passwd.. And away it works
[04:27] <dr_willis> but i tend to use sshfs for linux to linux
[04:27] <ironhalik> wow - had a lot of geek fun. I've setup an atheros based wireless repeater bridge :>
[04:27] <codephobic> dr_willis, is ssh a better than samba? I though ssh was mostly good for remote admin work.
[04:28] <dr_willis> ssh is a multi tool
[04:28] <dr_willis> !info sshfs
[04:28] <trietptm> I'm following: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall#continueinstall , if I choose "Install Ubuntu alongside them", will it autmatically create a swap, root, home space like this scheme: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes ?
[04:28] <codephobic> well, I'll definitely look into it more tomorrow, tonight I just want to get my samba shares working
[04:28] <Tex_Nick> one minor glitch has occurred after changing the driver ... my sensors indicator temp1 now shows an ERROR on radeon-pci0008/0 ... would the best thing be to remove & reinstall sensors ?
[04:29] <dr_willis> codephobic:  how are you accessing the shares and what errors
[04:29] <huhuhaha> hello
[04:30] <codephobic> dr_willis, I setup openssh on the debian, so I just used the account to login
[04:31] <edmondl> dr_willis, Problem solved
[04:31] <codephobic> in nautilus, the "connect to server" option, using ssh.
[04:31] <edmondl> http://askubuntu.com/questions/205575/12-10-x64-rtl8188ce-intermittent-slow-internet-connection/206574#206574
[04:31] <cnblue> Hi, ibus can't switch to any IME i choose in WINE apps , anyone know a fix to that ?
[04:31] <codephobic> but when I try to connect to "windows share", the password gets rejected
[04:32] <holstein> codephobic: you can ping the machine? and login locally with the password? and the user has rights to the share?
[04:32] <dr_willis> codephobic:  you did give the user a samba password? its not set by default
[04:32] <net> kunji: wikipedia to netsplit
[04:32] <codephobic> dr_willis, how do you set a samba passwd? I set passwords for users I create on debian with "passwd <password>", but I've not set anything samba specific for the user
[04:32] <dr_willis> codephobic:        you did guve the users all samba passwords with   sudo smbpasswd -a username ?
[04:33] <dr_willis> a user has a password AND a sambapassword.. ;)
[04:33] <codephobic> holstein, I can login locally and over the lan, using ssh, on all the accounts I've setup on the debian
[04:33] <dr_willis> theres some way to sync the 2.. but i forget how
[04:34] <codephobic> dr_willis, thanks I'll try that now ... so in debian I set that for the user.
[04:34] <brainysmurf> sudo service php5-fpm start gives no error, no feedback of any kind, what do I check? I've already tried the logs.
[04:34] <brainysmurf> although status check gives "php5-fpm is not running" response
[04:34] <trietptm> Hello everybody, I'm following tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall#continueinstall , if I choose "Install Ubuntu alongside them", will it autmatically create a swap, root, home space similarly to this scheme: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes ?
[04:35] <holstein> trietptm: yes
[04:36] <trietptm> @holstein: Will the swap space at least equal to my RAM size?
[04:36] <trietptm> automatically
[04:36] <holstein> trietptm: yes
[04:37] <net> kunji: so its the hardware
[04:37] <woo> Im looking for a Network Simulator for Ubuntu 12.04 any suggestions?
[04:39] <codephobic> dr_willis, I've added the smbpasswd for each user
[04:40] <codephobic> now I can "connect", but it tells me that it's "unable to mount windows share"
[04:40] <holstein> codephobic: ive always had a challenge with samba.. i usually just do ssh
[04:40] <kunji> net: What are you talking about?
[04:41] <codephobic> holstein, I've managed to use it perfectly well before, but recently been busy with so many other things and forgot what little I knew before... now I find myself a little lost halfway down the road
[04:41] <dr_willis> codephobic:  ive also seen where i have to use the servers ip# not its name for samba
[04:42] <bigbadben> My computer just crashed how do I figure out why? I had to do a hard reset
[04:42] <holstein> i use ips as well
[04:42] <dr_willis> ctrl-l in nautilus  -->   smb://server.ip.num.ber/sharename
[04:42] <codephobic> dr_willis, I've been using the ip, to try and connect
[04:42] <dr_willis> essier then using that connect to.. wizard
[04:43] <woo> bigbadben: dmsg | tail
[04:43] <woo> sorry
[04:43] <woo> bigbadben: dmesg | tail
[04:43] <bigbadben> Also does anyone have any knowledge on configuring the sensors.config for your mother board
[04:44] <bigbadben> woo: how do I read this?
[04:44] <woo> bigbadben: that is a list of a few of the errors your ubuntu has logged
[04:44] <j__> #/join philosophy
[04:44] <j__> woops
[04:45] <brainysmurf> What do I check if /etc/init.d file doesn't actually start the service without any error?
[04:45] <dr_willis> brainysmurf:  spme services have config files to set logging options and may have verbose logging options
[04:46] <kunji> bigbadben: Well, it's not just the errors, also many errors would be in the syslog.  they're both in /var/log/ if you want to look at them with any text editor.  tail is nice because it just grabs the end.  You could pastebin those file if you would like someone here to check them out.
[04:46] <kunji> *files
[04:47] <net> too many errors
[04:47] <bigbadben> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5569635/
[04:47] <bigbadben> if someone could help me out I would be appreciative
[04:48] <net> how apreciative bigbadben
[04:48] <codephobic> "Error: Failed to mount Windows share
[04:48] <codephobic> Please select another viewer and try again"
[04:48] <brainysmurf> Setting verbosity doesn't seem to work. It is definitely running the file in init.d though
[04:48] <dr_willis> codephobic:  try the other direction. setup a share on the linux box. saee if windows sees it
[04:48] <holstein> codephobic: can you navigate with smb://ip ?
[04:49] <woo> bigbadben: touch events && dmesg | less | cat >> events | gedit events.  Could get you a nice view of the errors reported
[04:49] <codephobic> holstein, yes I can navigate to the ip, I see the share folder and the printer$ folder
[04:49]  * dr_willis recalls why he uses sshfs and winscp
[04:49] <codephobic> I just can't access it
[04:49] <holstein> codephobic: then its permissions related, serverside i would guess
[04:50] <dr_willis> codephobic:  the linux user name is identical to the windows users name?
[04:50] <codephobic> dr_willis, I'll have a go with that tomorrow - it's 5am (almost), here - I'm just going to give this another couple of goes, before I quit for the night (day?)
[04:51] <codephobic> dr_willis, the same name and password. I use a set of accounts across all my machines
[04:51] <dr_willis> i always setup same name, same passwords. and same samba passwords
[04:51] <dr_willis> you may want to test with a guest share. and perhaps turn off the windows firewall
[04:52] <codephobic> holstein, I think I set the passwords up correctly, not sure what more I could alter on the serverside.
[04:52] <codephobic> dr_willis, I'm testing between ubuntu (client - this machine) and debian (server - on another machine).
[04:53] <holstein> codephobic: i usually open *everything* up... set up shares with no restrictions.. and test.. ping..
[04:53] <skcin7> Is there a way to recursively search a directory for a specific string in the _contents_ of a file?
[04:54] <codephobic> one weird thing is that when ubuntu pops up with the box for the credentials, it keeps changing the domain to "HOMENET" (whereas I set it to something else in samba.conf - to match the machine's domain).
[04:54] <nextone> Anyone here when know which kernel version is used by ubuntu 12..10
[04:54] <dr_willis> you restarted samba service after doing that?
[04:55] <codephobic> holstein, I have access to the server, over ssh - I'm making the changes we're talking about, over ssh
[04:55] <codephobic> dr_willis, yes
[04:56] <bigbadben> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5569642/
[04:56] <holstein> !patience | bigbadben
[04:56] <tunnelcharger> Has anyone had Ubuntu 12.10  lock up after "checking battery status"
[04:56] <holstein> bigbadben: you might want to elaborate as to what is making that happen
[04:56] <nextone> Thanks.
[04:56] <bigbadben> nextone uname -a
[04:56] <holstein> !tty | tunnelcharger is what i would use to see if its "locking up" or not
[04:57] <codephobic> it's annoying because I can easily access the shares if I use ssh in nautilus, I just wanted to make the whole thing work "correctly" (as I intended it to work) rather than have a "feature" that was wholly unintentional (I had not thought to use ssh over nautilus).
[04:58] <bigbadben> The screen freezes and I try Ctrl+alt+f1 and nothing happens I think it might be my gpu but I am unsure
[04:58] <tunnelcharger> Ctrl-alt f1-f6 do nothing, its been sitting for a while.
[04:58] <brainysmurf> Ha. Now I got the verbosity to just say "...fail!" ... so useful
[04:59] <mintux> how can I download several directory using lftp? I use mirror -c <dir>  to download 1 directory but if I want to download several directory what command should I use? for example mirror -c <dir1> <dir2> ... means after finish <dir1> start <dir2> and go on
[04:59] <holstein> bigbadben: what "triggers" it?
[05:02] <codephobic> wow! finally got it to work
[05:02] <bigbadben> holstein: I have no clue it just happens that is why I was looking for a error log but I can not understand any of it.
[05:03] <dr_willis> codephobic: it just magicly started working!
[05:03] <codephobic> dr_willis, that and the fact that I had an ssh session open in another tab
[05:03] <codephobic> it is 5am in the morning after all
[05:03] <tunnelcharger> I should have stuck with 12.04... updating it made it not work...
[05:03] <bigbadben> when I turn the computer back on it asks me if I would like to report the error I click yes and it prompts me for the Kubuntu password/keyring which for some reason always says my password is wrong.
[05:03] <codephobic> damn, I need another hobby :(
[05:04] <dr_willis> sleep is my hobby.
[05:05] <tunnelcharger> Dr_Willis that is a great hobby
[05:05] <codephobic> Is it possible to drives that are on the samba server, with the client? do I just have to configure samba.conf and all the directories?
[05:06] <codephobic> I tried adding them as symbolic links, but they're not working
[05:06] <tortik> Lubuntu 12.04, update problem: after I click 'install updates' I get an error http://paste.kde.org/682712/61941486/ What is the problem?
[05:06] <holstein> bigbadben: i would apply upgrades.. i would try booting an earlier kernel.. is this something new?
[05:06] <dr_willis> samba can have issues with links
[05:07] <tunnelcharger> Hello there failed fallback graphics devices
[05:08]  * Tex_Nick thinks dr_willis spends 1 hour a day on his hobby & 23 hours helping people ;-)
[05:08] <bigbadben> holstein: It has happened before but only on the rare occasion but this time I lost some unsaved files so I want to prevent it from happening again.
[05:09] <dr_willis> this weekend i played skyrim as i irc'd from my tablet. ;-)
[05:09] <holstein> bigbadben: could also be hardware related
[05:09] <dr_willis> multi tasking
[05:10] <woo> !ssh | bigbadben: I use ssh to back up and host
[05:10] <tunnelcharger> Nobody knows why my computer keeps locking up or how I could even try to fix it?
[05:10] <woo> tunnelcharger: is it a toshiba laptop?
[05:11] <tinker>  server efnet 80
[05:11] <tunnelcharger> Woo: Nope, desktop with nvidia graphics card
[05:11] <woo> tunnelcharger: compiz-extras?
[05:12] <bigbadben> Thats what I am thinking I just installed lm_sensors and I feel I might have to configure the settings to fit my motherboard but I cant find any good reads on it.
[05:12] <tunnelcharger> woo: what's that?
[05:13] <woo> tunnelcharger: nvm if you didn't change it.  did you update the card with the additional software?
[05:13] <woo> tunnelcharger: additional drivers*
[05:14] <bigbadben> the reason I believe it could be my gpu is because nothing happened after I Ctrl+Alt+F1 ed and sensors says the pci slot is 109F but I am not sure how accurate that is.
[05:14] <tunnelcharger> woo: 304 beta drivers before I updated to 12.10
[05:15] <woo> tunnelcharger: might wanna try a roll back on the drivers.  then go thru the list again.  It worked for me wish . try >>
[05:15] <woo> !nvidia | tunnelcharger
[05:16] <dn4> any idea on how to get ubuntu to rite this in latex using firefox $$\vert \phi \rangle\, = \, a \vert 1 \rangle \, + \, be^{i\phi}\vert 0 \rangle \, + \, ce^{i\delta} \vert -1 \rangle \; \; . $$
[05:16] <crazyhorse> hi.. i'm trying to setup an ubuntu environment for software development.. i need the ability to create complete new images quickly by running a bunch of scripts
[05:16] <crazyhorse> is there anyway i can have interchangeable booting OSs's
[05:16] <woo> !pxe | crazyhorse
[05:17] <woo> lame
[05:17] <garbagegod> How's the PPC support these days, fellas?
[05:17] <crazyhorse> i.e. start one OS as a VM.. and then later set that VM as the booting OS? that kinda thing
[05:17] <holstein> garbagegod: EOL
[05:17] <woo> crazyhorse: pxe stacking to host the images.  and you could use a vm to build them
[05:17] <tunnelcharger> woo: I cat launch Ubuntu, how am I supposed to change the drivers?
[05:17] <dr_willis> garbagegod: i imagine not very well
[05:18] <woo> tunnelcharger: can you get to a tty?
[05:18] <dr_willis> !ppc
[05:18] <crazyhorse> woo: right.. so basically i can have an array of images and switch between them?
[05:18] <crazyhorse> does ubuntu have any hardware level vm support?
[05:19] <woo> dr_willis: how do you change out nvidia updates with bash?
[05:19] <doomlord> powerpc ditched in nextgen gamees machines...RIP powerpC
[05:19] <garbagegod> hmph.
[05:19] <doomlord> What is the world coming to... x86 game consoles .
[05:19] <garbagegod> why the hell did I buy these macs
[05:19] <tunnelcharger> Woo: what does tty even mean, and ctrl-alt f1-6 don't work... only thing is the grub menu, win xp, and a the Linux boot repair CD...
[05:20] <holstein> garbagegod: i run headless servers on my old ppc hardware... works great
[05:20] <garbagegod> holstein: what version are you running
[05:20] <woo> tunnelcharger: grub config to no buffer
[05:21] <holstein> garbagegod: whatever will work. 12.04 should be fine headless
[05:22] <garbagegod> maybe... bitcoin mining?
[05:22] <garbagegod> doubt that
[05:22] <woo> tunnelcharger: or in grub edit the boot command @ the [linux] line append to the end "init 3" and remove "quiet"
[05:24] <tunnelcharger> Woo: you lost me... I don't understand grub enough yet...
[05:24] <woo> tunnelcharger: its tricky
[05:24] <woo> tunnelcharger: pm?
[05:25] <crazyhorse> my server environment is 12.04.. should i be using 12.10 for my development environment or 12.04?
[05:25] <crazyhorse> does it make that much of a difference in terms of compatability?
[05:25] <tunnelcharger> Woo: sure
[05:26] <zen_7777> I just installed 12.10 and wish I had strayed with 12.04
[05:26] <soujanya> which server is support to run php programs ?
[05:26] <kunji> zen_7777: My case is the opposite
[05:26] <zen_7777> 12.10 very slow page loads and mouse works strnagly
[05:26] <kunji> crazyhorse: dev and production should really be the same
[05:26] <crazyhorse> soujanya: apache/nginx
[05:27] <crazyhorse> kunji: yeah this is really we have dev / integration / uat / production / testing are all the boxes
[05:27] <crazyhorse> dev runs on very different hardware
[05:27] <crazyhorse> well still intel x86 but i5 instead of xeon etc
[05:27] <kunji> zen_7777: Well, I may have regretted it if I was experiencing those issues, but I'm not.  And 12.10 fixed a kernel bug for me that was screwing up my wireless badly
[05:28] <zen_7777> kunji, I installed it from an iso file then installed Gnome desktop worked terrific for a few days then started acting up...others seem to have the same problems as i just stated
[05:28] <kunji> crazyhorse: I would still stick with 12.04 for it, the package versions will continue to diverge over time.
[05:28] <Tex_Nick> !details | zen_7777
[05:28] <crazyhorse> kunji: ok, thanks.. so basically just keep all the development computers in sync with the production systems
[05:28] <zen_7777> kunji, terrific! glad you are having such a good experience with it
[05:29] <kunji> crazyhorse: That's what I would recommend.
[05:31] <zen_7777> ubottu, i first installed 12.10 by just doing an update...server would freeze all the time after just a few mins..no mouse response or keyboard would work...had to keep shutting down with te button...then did total install from iso now it is operatring very slow and don't know wh
[05:32] <zen_7777> and don't know why  it is so slow
[05:32] <zen_7777> lmao @ ubottu
[05:33] <kunji> !ubottu | zen_7777
[05:34] <zen_7777> omg, ubottu, now you have me wodering but i will ck out those sites
[05:35] <bluebomber64> hello?
[05:35] <crazyhorse> is there anyway to mount encrypted Mac OS Extended partitions?
[05:36] <kunji> zen_7777: ubottu really is a bot, the commands are prefixed with a "!"  ;-) LOL
[05:43] <soujanya> i want to install apache
[05:43] <soujanya> I want to install apache for my php app, crazyhorse
[05:43] <kunji> soujanya: Umm, then install apache?
[05:44] <zen_7777> soujana, it is super easy...i forget the actual comand but jist do a google for it
[05:44] <soujanya> I don't know how to go further installing apache, kunji
[05:44] <soujanya> please guide
[05:44] <ade> ime pulling my hair out trying to install lexmark s305 printer on 12.04.
[05:44] <kunji> soujanya: You can install a whole lamp stack with one command, and then choosing a password for mysql, want to do it that way?
[05:44] <zen_7777> soujana what ios your operating system?
[05:45] <Tex_Nick> soujanya:  have you asked in #httpd ... that channel is more taylored to apache
[05:45] <soujanya> yes kunji
[05:45] <ade> help
[05:45] <soujanya> I got this error when trying to install apache2 initially "couldn't get lock"
[05:46] <kunji> soujanya:Oh, maybe you're already doing it right
[05:46] <soujanya> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5569695/
[05:46] <kunji> soujanya: That means you probably can't install anything
[05:47] <kunji> soujanya: Do you have something else open that might have a lock, like aptitude, or the software center?
[05:47] <zen_7777> SOUJANYA, DO YOU TRY INSTALLATION FROM OOT?
[05:47] <krnl386> soujanya, are you running the install command as root?
[05:47] <zen_7777> sorry caps
[05:47] <krnl386> e.g. sudo apt-get install apache2
[05:47] <krnl386> not just apt-get install apache2
[05:48] <kunji> krnl386: I'm pretty sure that give a different message
[05:48] <zen_7777> try sudo su to get to root then run krnl386's command
[05:48] <kunji> zen_7777: no need for su here, I guarantee it
[05:49] <kunji> zen_7777: I mean, sudo will be fine
[05:49] <ttoti> Its probably cause he is updating something or installing something
[05:49] <zen_7777> i'm an idiot, soujana, listen to krnji
[05:49] <krnl386> zen_7777, you're right, typically it's a permission denied, not resource temporarily unavailable
[05:49] <kunji> ttoti: what I was thinking, but even if aptitude is just open I believe it has a lock
[05:49] <krnl386> yeah most likely there's another update already happening...
[05:50] <ttoti> kunji: Then he could just sudo it
[05:50] <kunji> ttoti: sudo actually doesn't let you override the lock, you would need to find and kill off the process using it
[05:51] <krnl386> kunji, correct, need to find what's using the dplg database
[05:51] <zen_7777> sudo apt-get update...then sudo apt-get-upgrade...then sudo apt-get install apache...maybe or maybe nt?
[05:51] <kunji> zen_7777: nah, can't do any of that if you can't get the lock
[05:51] <krnl386> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5569705/ <-- this will tell you what's using /var/lib/dpkg
[05:53] <zen_7777> listen to kunji...another stupid question could her problem with instlling apache have something to do with permissions she could change with ftp?
[05:53] <kunji> soujana: yep, what krnl386 just sent, running that command will let you see what has the lock, in his case aptitude has it.  You'll need to stop any existing processes that have the lock, and then try installing apache.
[05:54] <zen_7777> thanks for the lessons, kunji ;-)
[05:55] <zen_7777> what would cause locks like that to occur?
[05:55] <kunji> zen_7777: Not really, that would generate a different error.  Are you familiar with locks, like they are used for transactions?  Basically this file is pretty important, so when a process uses it, it must be certain that it is the only process touching this stuff so there aren't concurrency problems...
[05:56] <zen_7777> nope, kunji...i am all eyes and ears to learbs as much as i can
[05:57] <kunji> zen_7777: So if you run apt-get something, it takes a lock until it is finished, and nothing else can touch that stuff until it is done.  For instance, you can try running two apt-get install somethings at the same time, the second one won't work because the first one is running.
[05:57] <zen_7777> thanks for the explanation, kunji...did sonji leave?
[05:57] <kunji> zen_7777: Frontends also tend to find it appropriate to take a lock, so aptitude actually takes it when it starts, even when it isn't doing anything
[05:58] <kunji> zen_7777: Nope, still here, been quiet though I guess
[05:59] <Tex_Nick> zen_7777:  in your free time you might have a look at this ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_locking
[05:59] <jda2000> ive done an "apt-get install parted-doc"  how do I view the documentation?
[05:59] <zen_7777> soujana, how you doing? any of this helping you out?
[05:59] <zen_7777> thanks, Tex
[06:00] <krnl386> jda2000, try sudo dpkg -L parted-doc
[06:00] <krnl386> this will give you a list of files installed by the parted-doc package
[06:00] <krnl386> having said that, usually docs are installed under /usr/share/doc or /usr/share/man
[06:01] <zen_7777> Tex, just added the link to my collections of ones to ck out
[06:01] <krnl386> in case of /usr/share/man, you should use the man command to read the docs… for example if you see something like /usr/share/man/man5/acl.5.gz, try "man acl" to see the doc
[06:02] <jda2000> krnl386, OK the README file has the answer:   "info -f parted.info"
[06:03] <zen_7777> anyone have any ideas on why vs 12.10 is causing me trouble? very slow pages and movement of the cursor a short while after rebooting?
[06:03] <krnl386> yup, that works too :) although info is a pretty old school system :/ I prefer man :)
[06:04] <krnl386> zen_7777, try running top in a terminal to see if something's hogging resources
[06:04] <zen_7777> krnl386, how do i do that?
[06:04] <krnl386> run the terminal app, then run the top command
[06:04] <zen_7777> is top a command?
[06:05] <kunji> yep
[06:05] <krnl386> yup
[06:05] <soujanya> yes
[06:05] <zen_7777> open terminal and enter command <top>  ???
[06:05] <kunji> zen_7777: q to exit it when you're done
[06:06] <kunji> soujanya: Ah, you're still here, did you find what process had the lock?
[06:07] <zen_7777> kunji, open terminal and enter command <top>  then <q> to quit?
[06:07] <dr_willis> try it and see. ;)
[06:08] <kunji> zen_7777: Yeah, when you're ready to quit, so after you've checked it out while having the slowness
[06:08] <zen_7777> after looking at info provided by top of course...omg thx for the advice, bo
[06:08] <dr_willis> if you like top,  the htop command is an imoroved/prettier top
[06:08] <zen_7777> bro*
[06:08] <zen_7777> thank you, doctor
[06:09] <zen_7777> anything special i should look for?
[06:09]  * dr_willis recalls the old top in a transparent root window gimmic from years back
[06:09] <Tex_Nick> zen_7777:  a gui interface to top is "system monitor/processes" it's not as complete as top ... but good for a look
[06:10] <zen_7777> thx again, Tex
[06:10] <zen_7777> will try each of those, guys, really thanks loads
[06:10] <kunji> zen_7777: Actually though, I find that the system monitor can itself use a lot of cpu (maybe on graph generation?), and also slowly leaks memory T.T
[06:11] <zen_7777> you know i tired to reduce it to what ever it is that is the lower use of graphics bt w/o mch success in speed
[06:12] <zen_7777> kunji, do you make house calls?
[06:12] <kunji> zen_7777: Oh... wait a sec, were you using Unity 2d before?
[06:12] <zen_7777> ;-)
[06:12] <Tex_Nick> kunji : sys mon has mem leaks ?
[06:12] <kunji> zen_7777: lol, nah, too busy
[06:13] <kunji> Tex_Nick: I believe so, usage slowly goes up as a leave it running over days, I've had it over 500 MB
[06:14] <kunji> Tex_Nick: I haven't tried running it through valgrind of anything though.
[06:14] <zen_7777> kunji, i almost always get an error message about compoz and graphics wen i first boot p...says something about how i should be using hardware 3d rather than software...i dont use the server to play games
[06:14] <zen_7777> and do not even think it has much cPBILITY FOR 3D
[06:14] <crazyhorse> hang on
[06:14] <crazyhorse> i started downloading ubuntu
[06:14] <Tex_Nick> kunji : ok thanks for the heads up :)
[06:14] <crazyhorse> and it days -desktop-amd64.iso
[06:14] <crazyhorse> but i've got a friggen i5 processor
[06:15] <kunji> zen_7777: Ah, so you were probably using Unity 2d before then, but if you take a look, it's gone in 12.10... so that could be the problem
[06:15] <penguinman> you might consider switching to a different de even
[06:15] <kunji> crazyhorse: amd64 is the machine instruction language used for the i5
[06:15] <dr_willis> craziness that will eork
[06:15] <dr_willis> work
[06:15] <zen_7777> yes, kunji, so what can i do to solve that problem?
[06:15] <crazyhorse> oh ok
[06:15] <crazyhorse> why's it called and then?
[06:16] <crazyhorse> AMD?
[06:16] <dr_willis> its amds creation..
[06:16] <penguinman> crazyhorse: because amd developed the instruction set
[06:16] <crazyhorse> haha ok
[06:16] <kunji> zen_7777: I would go with dr_willis's suggestion if the speed is important to you, maybe try using LXDE instead of Unity
[06:16] <crazyhorse> they invented the current instruction set for modern CPUs?
[06:16] <zen_7777> anyway to scroll back up on the chat session?
[06:16] <kunji> crazyhorse: yup
[06:16] <dr_willis> the 64bit extentions
[06:16] <d3sx> hey guys
[06:17] <crazyhorse> interesting
[06:17] <kunji> crazyhorse: intel briefly did their own afterwards, but it didn't really catch on
[06:17] <zen_7777> LXDE, if i install that will it just wipe out gnome or do i ave to uninstall gnome?
[06:17] <d3sx> i got a question maybe you guys can help
[06:17] <cfhowlett> zen_7777, it will NOT uninstall gnome it will just install lxde
[06:17] <kunji> zen_7777: You can have them both installed and choose at login which one you want to use
[06:17] <dr_willis> nice when 2 tech companies work together instead of sueing each other
[06:17] <crazyhorse> ok.. is there a way to make a list of packages for a distro to download?
[06:18] <crazyhorse> basically a set of apt-get install this/that etc
[06:18] <cfhowlett> zen_7777, uninstalling gnome is probably not the best idea.  seems it's required for some packages thus removal might break something
[06:18] <crazyhorse> also can i cache the downloads anywhere
[06:18] <dr_willis> crazyhorse: a simple bash script can do that
[06:18] <crazyhorse> and even better can i cache pre-compiled versions?
[06:18] <d3sx> my ubuntu 12 install has been stuck at creating partition tables for / ext3 for quite some time
[06:18] <d3sx> is this normal
[06:18] <kunji> crazyhorse: Could use a .deb package and just list them as dependencies, or use a BASH script, etc.. there's quite a few ways
[06:18] <cfhowlett> d3sx, what feedback are you seeing?  partition takes seconds
[06:19] <dr_willis> !info apt-cacher-ng
[06:19] <d3sx> the bar is full
[06:19] <d3sx> its just takin foreeevver
[06:19] <cfhowlett> d3sx, paste
[06:19] <d3sx> kk
[06:19] <zen_7777> t/u cfhowlett
[06:19] <crazyhorse> well i usually write all my scripts in ruby.... but i'd like to not have to need an external internet connection
[06:19] <cfhowlett> zen_7777, best of luck
[06:19] <crazyhorse> every time i set one up
[06:19] <kunji> d3sx: Umm, how long, what hardware?
[06:20] <DuyPham> Hi everebody! I have a question. I running a VPS with Ubuntu, I deleted some files via command line, but the disk space is not freed
[06:20] <crazyhorse> oh duypham:
[06:20] <crazyhorse> duypham: apt-get ncdu
[06:20] <crazyhorse> DuyPham: awesome program.. check it out http://dev.yorhel.nl/ncdu/changes
[06:20] <DuyPham> @crazyhorse: i'm listening...
[06:20] <d3sx>  creating ext3 file system for / in partition #5...i just wiped linux mint to get ubuntu and now this
[06:21] <d3sx> its been goin for about 20mins
[06:21] <zen_7777> t/y again, chowlett, i actually do love the gnome desktop...but it is not working for me on 12.10 the way it did with 12.04
[06:21] <crazyhorse> DuyPham: it'll basically give you a complete tree of your disk.. so you can work out where everything is
[06:21] <crazyhorse> DuyPham: just run sudo ncdu / to do the entire comptuer
[06:21] <cfhowlett> zen_7777, alternatives are built in.  xfce4 and lxde are 2 of the best known that you could add
[06:22] <penguinman> << xfce user here
[06:22] <cfhowlett> d3sx, not normal ...   Details matter
[06:23] <kunji> d3sx: That does seem pretty long, I would try again, but first check that the md5 checksum on the iso is correct.
[06:23] <d3sx> intel celeron dual core (new celerons) 8gb ram, 1tb hdd. installing by unetbootin ubuntu security 12.10 on usb
[06:24] <zen_7777> thx so much cfhowlett...going to save this whole chat so i can go over it later on
[06:24] <kunji> d3sx: Oh... unetbootin :P  It messes up fairly often, format the usb and try again.
[06:24] <cfhowlett> zen_7777, glad I could help.
[06:24] <jda2000> I'm a little confused now. I when through the motions of fdisk and mke2fs to create a single 4TB partition on a big drive.  Everything seemed to work.  Only then did I see in the man page that fdisk does not do gpt and you cant go over 2TB without it?
[06:24] <rudivs> I'm trying to get my java configuration working, and I notice that with update-alternatives --config java, some of the options have a 'manual' status and others are 'automatic'. What's the difference?
[06:24] <zen_7777> omg, cfhowlett, YOU HAVE!
[06:24] <cfhowlett> d3sx, reboot the USB and run "check disk for errors.
[06:24] <d3sx> kk
[06:24] <dr_willis> jda2000: use parted or gparted these days
[06:24] <d3sx> ill be back
[06:25] <crazyhorse> what's the best filesystem for good performance in a VM where i'm going to be running a db like postgres (note: has to support ACLs)
[06:25] <jda2000> dr_willis, Yes i'm redoing it all starting with gparted.
[06:26] <penguinman> crazyhorse: i usually just stick with ext4, well tested, stable, etc.
[06:26] <crazyhorse> how do i find out what the current filesystem is?
[06:26] <son_> is there someone here that can help me with my mail server?
[06:26] <crazyhorse> penguinman: awesome ok ;)
[06:26] <dr_willis> not took the plunge and got a 4tb hd yet
[06:26] <kunji> cfhowlett: checking the disk for errors has actually come back good for me, but I would still have the same problem every time at the same spot, until I formatted and started over... not sure why.
[06:26] <Ben64> 3TB seems to be the best price/size
[06:26] <crazyhorse> penguinman: i think ext4 has some extended ACL features as well
[06:26] <son_> I can send emails outside but cannot receive them
[06:26] <zen_7777> rudivis, had quite a bit of trouble installing java on 12.04...then found there was(as with most things) an easy way to do it...now i ave to find it again for 12.10
[06:26] <histo> son_: did you open ports
[06:26] <jda2000> dr_willis, But I'm still confused that I could use fdisk etc. and then mount the partiton and see that it was indeed 4tb.    All this was on 12.04
[06:26] <dr_willis> !java
[06:26] <histo> son_: and did you setup a MDA
[06:26] <DuyPham> @crazyhorse: oh, delete file by this program free the disk space
[06:27] <son_> yeah I did that
[06:27] <cfhowlett> kunji, weird and weirder.  remake the USB in startup disk creator instead of unetbootin???
[06:27] <histo> son_: Which MDA are you using?
[06:27] <crazyhorse> DuyPham: it does not delete anything.. it just tells you where the space is being used
[06:27] <crazyhorse> DuyPham: you then have to go and find the files
[06:27] <kunji> cfhowlett: I made it with unetbootin both times for that one.
[06:27] <crazyhorse> and rm them
[06:27] <DuyPham> but how about the disc space i'd lost because delete files via command line
[06:27] <zen_7777> my gawd, this place is better than a Harvard/Yale class on Ubuntu...really you are all terrific
[06:27] <son_> courier-imap
[06:28] <kunji> cfhowlett: It was a weird error too, wish I could remember it.
[06:28] <son_> I think there something wrong with my MX record
[06:28] <histo> son_: can you connect to the imap port and authenticate?
[06:28] <son_> yes
[06:28] <crazyhorse> DuyPham: the program will tell you where all the disk space is being used
[06:28] <histo> son_: also #ubuntu-server maybe more appropriate
[06:28] <histo> son_: meet me over therre
[06:28] <son_> ok
[06:29] <kunji> Hmm, maybe I should ask some things over there... well, if I run into problems with the solr/lucene/nutch setup
[06:30] <crazyhorse> so anyone know a command to get the current filesystem for a drive?
[06:30] <crazyhorse> sudo dumpe2fs /dev/sda1 << i tried
[06:30] <crazyhorse> but got permission denied
[06:30] <kunji> crazyhorse: sudo parted -l
[06:31] <kunji> crazyhorse: or sudo fdisk -l   but with that not working that well for gpt...
[06:31] <DuyPham> @crazyhorse: sorry about my bad english, but i'm about to tell that I did delete some files before via command line, and didn't get back free disk space, and the Ncdu program don't show that deleted files too
[06:31] <cfhowlett> crazyhorse, http://my.oschina.net/mr6/blog/73233
[06:31] <crazyhorse> Model: VMware Virtual disk (scsi)   1      1049kB  107GB  107GB  primary  xfs          boot   hmmm
[06:31] <kunji> DuyPham: Are you sure they're gone?  Were they symlinks?  Did they have enough size tell?
[06:32] <zen_7777> thanks to all of you who helped! i'm otta here to try all of your suggestions...till next time...stay well and get bent! ;-)
[06:32] <crazyhorse> DuyPham: yeah.. deleting files should just delete the file
[06:32] <crazyhorse> cfhowlett: you in china?
[06:32] <penguinman> crazyhorse: there's always good old df too
[06:32] <cfhowlett> crazyhorse, american in china
[06:32] <crazyhorse> cfhowlett: nice, which province?
[06:33] <cfhowlett> crazyhorse, OT so private convo
[06:33] <viju> hi
[06:34] <viju> I can't create a symlink
[06:34] <viju> all lnks that I created are broken
[06:34] <viju> please help
[06:34] <DuyPham> kunji: i'm sure that there's no link to that file, i deleted it by "rm" command, and that didn't give me back diskspace, totally awefull
[06:35] <Ben64> viju: ln -s <link source> <link>
[06:36] <viju> Ben64: thats what I amdoing
[06:36] <jony> did someone noticed that if a memory stick is used for booting images (ex. made with yumi) it will fail after a short use?
[06:37] <rudivs> the ubuntu help pages are a little vague on the java browser plugin: if I install oracle java 7, will the icedtea plugin "expose" the correct java to the web applet? or do I need to install some oracle java browser plugin as well?
[06:38] <kunji> DuyPham: I didn't ask if there were symlinks to them, I asked if they were symlinks to other files.  Did the files actually have enough size that du would show them.  Were they on the same partition you're checking the size of?  I do not believe that files deleted with rm leave their space, so unless you provide some evidence of that...
[06:39] <kunji> redivs: Offhand, I think it uses whatever one is set by the system as defaults, I think several guides for installing the Oracle Java cover the commands for changed the default java.
[06:39] <kunji> *changing
[06:39] <jony> somebody broke his USB memory stick after using to boot live images?
[06:40] <kunji> jony: umm, who?
[06:40] <dr_willis> the !java factoid tells how to change javas i recall
[06:40] <jony> ex. a live ubuntu cd image used on a memory stick
[06:41] <dr_willis> jony:  you used 'dd' to put the iso on a usb stick?
[06:41] <kunji> jony: oh, not as far as I know, they should more or less be loaded once and run mostly in RAM.  Maybe if you have a very small amount of RAM and get thrashing?
[06:41] <viju> Ben64: i have a folder , say afolder, I want it in /var/www  so I used    " ln -s   ~/workspace/afolder   /var/www "    what
[06:41] <viju> s
[06:41] <viju> sorry
[06:41] <viju> what's wrong with this command?
[06:41] <kunji> jony: Otherwise I would say it's purely coincidence.
[06:41] <dr_willis> viju:  use full paths not  ~   for starters
[06:42] <viju> it always creates broken link
[06:42] <viju> dr_willis: I tried that too
[06:42] <dr_willis> and the websever has a setting to not follow links for security reasons
[06:42] <SanDiegoGuy> evening yall
[06:43] <viju> it's not that I am creating symlink for first time , but when it doesnt , I am confused now
[06:43] <cfhowlett> SanDiegoGuy, greetings
[06:43] <dr_willis> you want 'www' to point to /home/bob/workspace/folder  ?
[06:43] <viju> dr_willis: you are absolutely right , but I already see another symlink in the www folder
[06:44] <dr_willis> or you want   www/somefolder to point there?
[06:44] <SanDiegoGuy> was wondering if anyone can recommend a decent site to use with Transmission
[06:44] <viju> dr_jesus: no . I am modifying afolder , its in my workspace under home, what I want is that a link to be created under www
[06:44] <cfhowlett> SanDiegoGuy, mininova
[06:45] <SanDiegoGuy> ty cfhowlett
[06:45] <kunji> viju: is the link broken, or do you just not have permission to follow it?
[06:45] <dr_willis> viju:  dont you need a www/ for the new link.. or www/afolder
[06:46] <viju> tried both way
[06:46] <dr_willis>   /var/www/afolder
[06:46] <dr_willis> you are using sudo im assuming
[06:46] <viju> /var/www/afolder and just /var/www
[06:46] <dr_willis> is /var on its own partition?
[06:47] <viju> I guess its on different partition
[06:47] <dr_willis> soft links work across filesystems? and hard links dont.. or am i backwards
[06:48] <kunji> dr_willis: didn't we talk about how sudo cd doesn't like to play nice though :P, could that be the issue as well for the symlink?  viju, what error does it give when you try to use the link, or does it fail silently?
[06:48] <dr_willis> no need to sudo cd
[06:48] <Tex_Nick> i download a lot of youTube vids/music ... i use vlc to play most of my multimedia ... sometimes when previewing the first few seconds of multiple files, i notice that i have two or more instances of vlc on my indicator (top panel) and vlc isn't playing anything ... i have to kill those vlc process's
[06:48] <dr_willis> just     cd /var/www
[06:48] <dr_willis> then sudo ln -s /home/foo/bar   bar
[06:48] <dr_willis> i think
[06:48] <dr_willis> ;)
[06:48] <viju> kunji: I see an icon with cross on it and in status bar it's written broken link
[06:49] <DuyPham> kunji: http://i.imgur.com/esFerhJ.png this is the disk space which webmin give me at present, and this is what ncdu give me with command "sudo ncdu /" http://i.imgur.com/0woQvL6.png , I've lost almost 5gb diskspace :(
[06:49] <Tex_Nick> oh & the vlc process's will be using 100% of one or more of my cpu cores
[06:49] <dr_willis> viju:  do a ls -l in the shell and check.. delete bad links befor trying to remake them
[06:49] <viju> dr_willis: ok
[06:50] <Tex_Nick> anyone had that experience ?
[06:51] <D3M0NCR0W> anyone know any good channel for avr freaks ?
[06:51] <D3M0NCR0W> avr bots
[06:51] <D3M0NCR0W> ?
[06:51] <kunji> DuyPham: webmin... why didn't you say so, well, how often does webmin check disk space?  Also, are you absolutely certain it's not being cached?
[06:51] <jony> no, I have plenty of RAM
[06:52] <jony> I use YUMI to put more bootable images on a single USB stick
[06:52] <jony> ex. Ubuntu 12.04, Ubuntu 12.04 server, Hirens Boot CD, Clonezilla
[06:53] <jony> and it's my fourth memory stick in the last 6 months
[06:53] <jony> I purchased different brands and all failed after some time of use
[06:53] <dr_willis> i cant recall a usb going bad on me  ever. ;-)
[06:54] <dr_willis> and i got 12+ of them
[06:54] <DuyPham> kunji: i dont understand, it's just a .mkv file, i leeched it via torrent, then i deleted it but it doesn't free the diskspace
[06:54] <magn3ts> Wow, apt-get has hung my terminal, and does so reliably.
[06:54] <magn3ts> This is unimpressive.
[06:54] <jony> what could be the problem?
[06:54] <dr_willis> ran ubuntu 12.04 on a 32gb usb for like a year.
[06:55] <kunji> DuyPham: I'm saying what Webmin is reporting may not be up to date
[06:56] <dr_willis> just booting iso files dosent write to the stick. so shouldent hurt them at all.
[06:56] <jony> what could cause my memory sticks to fail?
[06:56] <DuyPham> i've just check again, another command :( http://i.imgur.com/xHdUI3V.png
[06:56] <aeon-ltd> jony: age/number of writes
[06:56] <jony> I've used already A-DATA 16GB, Kingston 8 GB,
[06:56] <magn3ts> seriously, what's the deal. the Flashplugin-installer HANGS Zsh/Konsole. Every single time.
[06:56] <dr_willis> ask in #hardware perhaps jony
[06:56] <magn3ts> And then I have to unlock apt/dpkg and generally that means rebooting.
[06:56] <DuyPham> kunji: i've just check again, another command :( http://i.imgur.com/xHdUI3V.png
[06:57] <kunji> jony: What have you tried that makes you think they're failed, do they not show up at all?  Does dmesg show anything when you plug them in?
[06:57] <jony> now my Kingston 16 gb DTR is failing too
[06:57] <dr_willis> magn3ts_:  its downloading a file and the server is down perhaps?
[06:57] <jony> for ex. my Kingston starts to disconnect after accessing it
[06:57] <jony> randomly
[06:58] <jony> but mostly when I access the data on it
[06:58] <dr_willis> sounds more like a bad port. tried it in other pcs jony?
[06:58] <kunji> DuyPham: Hmm, that is interesting, can you track down the usage a little further than / ?
[06:59] <Tex_Nick> jony : are you ejecting the sticks before unplugging them ?
[07:00] <jony> yes, in other pc-s is the same issue
[07:00] <jony> no I give it safe remove first
[07:00] <magn3ts> dr_willis: sorry to spam you, the curse of always seeing your helpful name, but flashplugin-installer is hanging my terminal/shell everytime. I tried bash/zsh, still it just hangs after the "donwload .... .tar.gz" line.
[07:00] <magn3ts> normally I expect the progress bar or whatever, but nope.
[07:00] <DuyPham> kunji: track down to the directory which i downloaded the movie file to, is that what u mean?
[07:00] <kunji> A bad port could break usb sticks, for instance if it's over voltage or something
[07:01] <kunji> DuyPham: Yeah, or to whatever is using that diskspace, we don't know for sure it's the movie
[07:02] <kunji> DuyPham: Hmm, you don't have a GUI on that box do you?  Because if you did, Disk Usage Analyzer is good for this
[07:03] <Ben64> !webmin | DuyPham
[07:03] <magn3ts> also, this is killing me too: http://askubuntu.com/questions/251028/gnome-terminal-hangs-on-start-in-kde
[07:05] <foo357> Hello, I've got a computer running 10.04 LTS and I'm going to install 12.04 on it. I got a few questions about disk partitioning and the installation procedure...
[07:06] <cfhowlett> foo357, ask away ..
[07:06] <xzased_> Hi all, I am preseeding my ubuntu install and set root to be 8GB, however, when I check the output of fdisk -l it shows as expanding through the remainding of the disk
[07:06] <bazhang> foo357, 10.04 to 12.04 is a one-step upgrade, no need to reinstall etc
[07:06] <xzased_> is this normal?
[07:06] <Tex_Nick> jony : usb sticks use what are called edge card connectors ... the connectors are just thin sheets of copper ... after many, many, many insertions & removals the copper can wear away on the motherboard connector ... that can cause problems ... they make what are called port extenders to save the motherboard ports
[07:06] <crazyhorse> when one is install ubuntu.. what is it downloading?
[07:07] <cfhowlett> crazyhorse, package updates ...
[07:07] <bazhang> crazyhorse, wubi or normal
[07:07] <crazyhorse> nromal
[07:07] <kunji> xzased_: Can you pastebin that.  Also is the disk gpt?  If so, then you should probably use parted instead.
[07:07] <bazhang> crazyhorse, whether you tell it to: upgrades etc
[07:07] <crazyhorse> oh.. its spent 30 mins doing it now
[07:08] <crazyhorse> can i skip it?.. got work to do :/
[07:08] <foo357> I've chosen to do a custom paritioning scheme so I'm at the partition step and have laid everything out., there already exists a boot and swap partition, I have split the old Linux partition into two (one partition for / and one for /home). but what is "Device for boot loader installation"?
[07:08] <bazhang> crazyhorse, at this point no
[07:08] <DuyPham> kunji, Ben64: I've just rebooted my system, and then checked disk usage again, it's come back to normal. god bless me! haha http://i.imgur.com/QVx18yr.png
[07:08] <kunji> crazyhorse: Probably shouldn't... interrupting updates is bad T.T
[07:08] <crazyhorse> i'm used to installing vms... click click.. 5 mins
[07:08] <crazyhorse> ssh .. dont
[07:08] <DuyPham> kenji, Ben64: thanks for helping me
[07:08] <cfhowlett> foo357, that's the HDD, probably /dev/sda
[07:08] <crazyhorse> done*
[07:09] <crazyhorse> but it says retrieving file 14/57 .. i'm worried it's going to take forever
[07:09] <kunji> DuyPham: Hmm, well that's good, not sure what was up with that, I wonder if most of the download was in /tmp or something
[07:09] <cfhowlett> crazyhorse, forever? no. here in china with SLOW internet, update during install took about an hour
[07:09] <kunji> crazyhorse: Shouldn't be too much longer I think
[07:10] <crazyhorse> if it's relative.. it'll be another 1hr 40 mins
[07:10] <foo357> cfhowlett: yes, it was set to the disk device (dev/sda) by default should I leave it as that or change it to something else? (there is already a boot partition on the disk)
[07:10] <crazyhorse> so what's the drawback of clicking the big skip button?
[07:10] <kunji> foo357: I would leave it, grub2 should find all the installed OSs
[07:11] <cfhowlett> foo357, I'd put it where-ever it was previously ...
[07:11] <cfhowlett> foo357, have you initiated any of this yet??
[07:11] <magn3ts> If anyone could help with this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/251028/gnome-terminal-hangs-on-start-in-kde/261826#261826
[07:11] <kunji> crazyhorse: Oh, hmm, didn't realize that was there, I believe it stops the download and roles everything back, so that also might take a while at this point.  Other than that, just that your system will be out of date.
[07:11] <foo357> cfhowlett: hm, no. I'm at the partitioning step.
[07:12] <cfhowlett> foo357, option B: one step upgrade from 10.04 THEN move your /home into it's own partition ...
[07:12] <penguinman> magn3ts: i know this may not be what you're after but if you're in kde why not just use konsole?
[07:12] <crazyhorse> kunji: right, thanks
[07:12] <foo357> ok thanks for the help cfhowlett
[07:13] <cfhowlett> foo357, best of luck and enjoy your 12.04 !
[07:13] <magn3ts> penguinman: because apt-get is HANGING inside of Konsole.
[07:13] <magn3ts> brilliantly.
[07:13] <magn3ts> although it appears to be hanging in xterm also
[07:14] <penguinman> magn3ts: wow, that's unusual.
[07:14] <magn3ts> penguinman: tell me about it
[07:14] <penguinman> where's it hanging? or can you pastebin the output?
[07:14] <cousin_luigi> greetings
[07:14] <kunji> magn3ts: I second that, I hear a lot of people having trouble with terminal in KDE, but hmm.. that konsole issue sounds like it needs looking at
[07:14] <xzased_> kunji: here is a screenshot I could take, it is a remote machine I don't have input capability: http://i.imgur.com/hPbGiD6.jpg
[07:14] <cousin_luigi> are there official mirrors of archive.canonical.com ?
[07:15] <magn3ts> kunji: well, Konsole is fine. EVERYTHING is hanging, but gnome-terminal failing to open at all and turning into a zombie is wholesomely unacceptable
[07:15] <yacc_> Any idea what tool is responsible for configuring eth0 in Ubuntu 12.04LTS? I've got a completely fine interfaces file but it stopped working in 12.04LTS, at least during boot, something configures eth0 before even udev manages to rename it to wan, ...
[07:15] <magn3ts> there's really two diff issues at fault here.
[07:15] <xzased_> kunji: Here is what I am using for partman's expert recipe - http://paste.ubuntu.com/5569839/
[07:15] <penguinman> magn3ts: also, which version of kde are you running?
[07:15] <magn3ts> penguinman: the last line I get is: "flashplugin-installer: downloading http://blahblahlbah/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.....tar.gz
[07:15] <magn3ts> 4.10
[07:16] <magn3ts> Are we playing debug on gnome-terminal or flashplugin-installer hanging ? :)
[07:16] <magn3ts> Or both? :P
[07:17] <penguinman> could be the site is down. also, if that's the issue you could drop to a tty and try to update from there.
[07:17] <magn3ts> penguinman: it's not, downloads fine in Chrome.
[07:17] <magn3ts> I tried from xterm, still didn't work, I'm not hopeful it will work in a TTY
[07:17] <penguinman> magn3ts: so it's not kde that's the issue with the flash plugin then.
[07:17] <magn3ts> Ironically, when apt got interrupted and I had to fix with 'dpkg --configure -a' the installer hangs but I can CTRL+C out
[07:18] <magn3ts> penguinman: yeah, sorry, I made it sound like that at first, I thought it was a Konsole or ZSH thing but I've eliminated both as candidates.
[07:18] <penguinman> magn3ts: i would suggest a purge/reinstall of the flash plugin. or have you tried that already?
[07:18] <magn3ts> penguinman: that's how I wound up here.
[07:18] <magn3ts> The update for it stalled, removed it, tried to reinstall and POOOF this magical issue.
[07:19] <penguinman> magn3ts: hmmm. could be the pkg is broken or pointing to a dead link.
[07:19] <penguinman> magn3ts: since all that pkg does is fetch the actual flash from the web
[07:20] <magn3ts> yeah, like I said, downloads fine with wget/chrome/curl
[07:20] <magn3ts> :(
[07:20] <magn3ts> also, that shouldn't block apt from receiving SIGTERM
[07:20] <penguinman> hmm, let me see if i can duplicate that on my laptop under xfce.
[07:21] <penguinman> i don't use flash for anything critical on it, so i don't really care if it breaks
[07:21] <magn3ts> penguinman: Oh, I don't care if it does either TBH. Chrome packages their own anyway.
[07:22] <uw> s
[07:22] <kunji> xzased_: Hmm, I would suspect that the partman command has a mistake, but I'm not familiar with using that, so I'm unfortunately useless in trying to track it down.
[07:24] <DrManhattan> How do I change my default boot device in grub and which version of the nvidia driver is included in nvidia-current?
[07:24] <kunji> !grub | DrManhattan
[07:24] <penguinman> DrManhattan: i believe nvidia-current still has 304
[07:24] <kunji> DrManhattan: Start from the second link
[07:25] <DrManhattan> thank you penguinman and kunji
[07:25] <DrManhattan> penguinman, that is truly disappointing
[07:25] <sphinx__> hi, i want to ask a question
[07:25] <cfhowlett> sphinx__, so ask ... :)
[07:25] <jony> so noone broke his USB stick using to boot live OS or other tools? only me? :(
[07:26] <cfhowlett> jony, it happens
[07:26] <kunji> !ask | sphinx__
[07:26] <penguinman> DrManhattan: the experimental-310 driver works well (what I'm running on my nvidia box)
[07:26] <magn3ts> DrManhattan: use the PPA if you want the newest.
[07:26] <sphinx__> i use biosystem, ubuntu and windows
[07:26] <magn3ts> it works fine.
[07:26] <jony> but 5 pieces in the last 6 months? :(
[07:26] <penguinman> magn3ts: ok, so i can confirm hanging on the flash download.
[07:26] <cfhowlett> jony, on the same machine?  I'd suspect your hardware has issues ...
[07:26] <sphinx__> so how can i share a file between them.
[07:26] <magn3ts> penguinman: ORLY. I'm a bit surprised. Thanks for the confirm. You're on 12.10?
[07:27] <magn3ts> penguinman: I may have omitted the "I'm on 13.04" part :P
[07:27] <penguinman> magn3ts: 12.04 actually
[07:27] <sphinx__> i am on 12.04, too
[07:27] <magn3ts> penguinman: noted, thanks.
[07:27] <kunji> jony: I haven't used the particular tool you did, but I've messed around with quite a few different ones and have never bricked a usb drive.
[07:27] <penguinman> magn3ts: sigh, bug report time I guess
[07:27] <magn3ts> penguinman: I suppose so.
[07:28] <jony> I used these sticks with many computers but usually the same brand and model in a company
[07:28] <kunji> penguinman: I think there's probably one already for this, pile on the evidence though
[07:28] <Tex_Nick> jony : are you using the same type ??? maybe it's the same manufacturer ?
[07:28] <penguinman> magn3ts: i feel sorry for folks doing a fresh install tonight. until this gets worked out anybody who checks that nice little box is going to get a hung install
[07:28] <dr_willis> jony:  depending on how they act. ive restored usb flash via using dd to 'zero' them, then repartition
[07:28] <magn3ts> penguinman: yup.
[07:28] <magn3ts> penguinman: exactly, also, sorry for hanging your apt ;)
[07:29] <penguinman> magn3ts: again, don't care on this machine. :)
[07:29] <Capnpatpat> Could someone help me with a networking/Ethernet problem?
[07:29] <magn3ts> penguinman: heh, I don't care about flash, but I care about apt/dpkg whining about their lock that I'm too stupid to unlock
[07:30] <penguinman> magn3ts: oh it's fixable. just kill apt and purge flashplugin installer.
[07:30] <SilvereX> Yo
[07:31] <magn3ts> penguinman: yeah, but when I killall -9'd apt, it didn't unlock whatever it uses to lock itself
[07:31] <SilvereX> How would I go about updating my graphics card drivers?
[07:31] <Viliny> quick question
[07:31] <Viliny> im trying to make up a filename from two variables in bash
[07:31] <DrManhattan> I hate that the nvidia experimental doesn't have a framebuffer
[07:31] <SilvereX> I try to install it but it tells me to uninstall the old ones. I've purged fglrx but it still tells me to remove the old one
[07:32] <Viliny> $IP_$DATE.jpg <-- how do i make it understand that the IP variable ends before the _ ?
[07:32] <VeryveryNoob> Hello I have a AMD gpu
[07:32] <VeryveryNoob> I want to install official driver
[07:32] <VeryveryNoob> but doesn't work
[07:32] <penguinman> magn3ts: ok, this is interesting, i let it sit for about 10 minutes and it just installed.
[07:32] <magn3ts> penguinman: >_<
[07:33] <penguinman> penguinman: it may just be downloading VERY slowly
[07:33] <magn3ts> penguinman: alright, I'll kill sabnzb for a few minutes and see if it installs.
[07:33] <penguinman> magn3ts: it may have just been a server issue.
[07:34] <penguinman> magn3ts: i imagine with the steam launch the servers are getting hammered pretty hard right now :)
[07:35] <magn3ts> eh, it's been what, nearly a week now since launch
[07:35] <VeryveryNoob> Is it possible to reinstall all default ubuntu packages?
[07:35] <penguinman> magn3ts: and how many tries did it take you to get linux installed the first time :)
[07:35] <magn3ts> penguinman: the *first* time, too long ago to remember ;)
[07:36] <magn3ts> I remember fighting it as a middle schooler with a scsi pcmcia cdrom drive and a text installer and no, it never worked out well :P
[07:36] <Kroach> VeryveryNoob: apt-get install --reinstal ubuntu-desktop
[07:36] <penguinman> magn3ts: hehehe...yeah, i remember doing it back when redhat was just redhat, not RHEL/Fedora
[07:36] <VeryveryNoob> Kroach thank you
[07:36] <magn3ts> VeryveryNoob: spell `reinstall` correctly though of course
[07:37] <penguinman> i think my first actaul serious install was slack back in 2000/1 ish
[07:37] <xzased_> kunji: thanks, apparently this should work but it isn't :P have a good day
[07:37] <cousin_luigi> archive.canonical.com is mortally slow: are there official mirrors?
[07:37] <magn3ts> I've been spending a lot of time in the Steam Linux forums though. UGH to say the least.
[07:37] <VeryveryNoob> very very helpful you guys are
[07:37] <VeryveryNoob> mmmma mmmmaa :* kiss you and hug you
[07:37] <VeryveryNoob> ^^
[07:38] <magn3ts> PDA in #ubuntu :o scandalous.
[07:38] <penguinman> magn3ts: these are people that have never had to install any kind of os at all, let alone a linux one :)
[07:38] <Ben64> try to stay on topic here
[07:39] <penguinman> magn3ts: eh, when i get people who really annoy me i just redirect them to the arch channel on here :)
[07:40] <magn3ts> penguinman: heh, I've got a long list of futile IRC rooms to send people to. I actually had someone once tell me that they'd go to ##C because at least they'd be helpful there. I just laughed.
[07:42] <Tex_Nick> penguinman & magn3ts : if you don't have a solution, would be better to just not respond
[07:44] <DrManhattan> ok , how do I see what items my grub menu has? just update-grub or what?
[07:44] <magn3ts> Tex_Nick: lol, what?
[07:44] <crazyhorse> how does ubuntu perform on macbook-pros?
[07:44] <TakeItEZ> DrManhattan: grep menuent /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[07:44] <crazyhorse> i mean i'm not sure that OSX has anything to offer on top of ubuntu as far as an OS.. but is it compatible enough with the hardware?
[07:44] <magn3ts> Tex_Nick: We're not replying to anyone here, and I can tell you I spent many, many, many hours over the last week giving lots of people lots of answers to their probs
[07:44] <DrManhattan> im going to need to put in a grub-default="XXXX" entry
[07:44] <Tex_Nick> magn3ts:  stay on topic man
[07:45] <penguinman> crazyhorse: no idea. i refuse to give apple a dime on principal
[07:45] <magn3ts> lol
[07:45] <penguinman> crazyhorse: although i know linus himself runs fedora on an air, so i assume it's possible
[07:45] <crazyhorse> penguinman: pity, no-body else makes laptops that even come close to the same quality
[07:45] <magn3ts> crazyhorse: I'm running 13.04 out of the box on a MBA 2012. It worked *perfectly* out of the box.
[07:45] <magn3ts> crazyhorse: but 12.10 on my MBA2012 requires an extra packagae for the fans, otherwise it overheats.
[07:46] <crazyhorse> magn3ts: do you still have OSX installed on there somewhere?
[07:46] <Kroach> crazyhorse: Systen76 makes far better laptops
[07:46] <magn3ts> crazyhorse: I'm using a dual boot, yes.
[07:46] <crazyhorse> magn3ts: what's the smallest amount of HDD space OSX can occupy?
[07:46] <magn3ts> Kroach: oh man, come on, you've clearly never owned both a system76 and an apple laptop to make that statement. There are good alternatives to Apple, but Sys76 simpyl isn't one. They're just rebranded OEM chinese crap anyway
[07:46] <crazyhorse> probably still 15gb
[07:47] <magn3ts> crazyhorse: I really don't know the answer to that one.
[07:47] <magn3ts> I think that sounds about right, I can look if it's important.
[07:47] <crazyhorse> i'm running ubuntu in a VM at the momement
[07:47] <Ben64> !ot
[07:47] <crazyhorse> but after i get some time i might want to switch to dual-boot
[07:48] <magn3ts> crazyhorse: sorry, I have a big ssd, mine is 60GB still. But the used spaec is 14.04GB, but that's with NOTHING else installed.
[07:48] <helmut_> hi
[07:48] <crazyhorse> magn3ts: yeah i got a 256gb SSD and a 318gb HDD
[07:48] <Ben64> magn3ts, crazyhorse: take it to #ubuntu-offtopic or somewhere else
[07:48] <crazyhorse> k
[07:48] <magn3ts> To be fair, he started with a question about whether ubuntu works w/ apple hardware.
[07:49] <crazyhorse> ok.. ubuntu keeps claiming that my password is incorrect
[07:49] <crazyhorse> and only accepts it if i type it really slowley
[07:49] <crazyhorse> could it be some keyboard driver issue?
[07:49] <penguinman> i don't know, once they get better kernel suport the new chromebook looks really nice.
[07:49] <magn3ts> crazyhorse: if you join #ubuntu-offtopic I can help you more with ubuntu+mac if you want.
[07:49] <magn3ts> crazyhorse: are you in a VM :) and you use caps lock for your password, amiright?
[07:49] <crazyhorse> magn3ts: thanks.. but i've got to finish this
[07:50] <Kroach> crazyhorse: there is also a dedicated forum for Apple users on Ubuntu Forums
[07:50] <crazyhorse> Kroach: good to know
[07:51] <histo> penguinman: yuck paying for a browser
[07:51] <histo> !mac | crazyhorse
[07:51] <penguinman> histo: ugh no, i'd strip chrome os off and put xubuntu on it as soon as i got it open :)
[07:52] <histo> crazyhorse: #ubuntu-mactel
[07:52] <magn3ts> histo: lol, it's almost like he implied that he'd be running linux on it anyway...
[07:52] <histo> penguinman: then why pay that much for hardware. There are cheaper version of the same thing availible
[07:52] <magn3ts> penguinman: if you build kernel yourself there's pretty good support now.
[07:52] <magn3ts> histo: with that screen, hahaha
[07:52] <penguinman> histo: yeah, but that screen is gorgeous
[07:53] <magn3ts> People pay $1K alone on that screen in a 27" form.
[07:54] <crazyhorse> is ssh disabled on ubuntu desktop by default?
[07:54] <magn3ts> crazyhorse: the PW thing though, did you see my question? Do you use caps lock with your password? Caps Lock + VMs get really screwy.
[07:54] <penguinman> penguinman: plus i have my desktop set up as a local file server so the hdd space isn't an issue.
[07:54] <crazyhorse> nah.. it's something weird
[07:54] <TakeItEZ> crazyhorse: there is no ssh-server installed by default
[07:54] <magn3ts> crazyhorse: I don't think openssh-server is even installed by default on a desktop machine.
[07:54] <Tex_Nick> !offtopic | penguinman & magn3ts
[07:54] <magn3ts> crazyhorse: okay, just wanted to make sure.
[07:55]  * magn3ts sighes
[07:55] <penguinman> ok ok, fine....fine....
[07:55] <cnblue> Hi, ibus can't switch to any IME i choose in WINE apps , anyone know a fix to that 12.10, wine 1.5?
[07:55] <crazyhorse> so what is ssh server.. apt-get install openssh?
[07:55] <TakeItEZ> !info openssh-server
[07:55] <magn3ts> lol, I just told you ;) openssh-server is the pkg name
[07:55] <crazyhorse> lol. ok thanks
[07:56] <magn3ts> "oh look at me, I have relevant, helpful factoids".
[07:57] <histo> !botsnack
[07:58] <magn3ts> In all seriousness, I should leverage the bot more, I'll go research him/her/it.
[08:00] <histo> !factoids > magn3ts
[08:01] <magn3ts> Yeah, I already made a snarky remark about his info page in #OT
[08:02] <magn3ts> VeryveryNoob: So did you get sqaured away with acquiring the AMD driver?