[00:19] <Juv1228> hi, I am using xubuntu 13.10 on a new machine here and when I try to take a screenshot, with either xfce4-screenshooter or shutter, it 'lags'
[00:20] <Juv1228> the entire xfce environment slows to a crawl, and if I wait a few minutes  the screenshot completes fine.
[00:21] <Juv1228> if I switch VT's (ctrl-alt-f1 then back to f7) it stops in the middle of the screenshot and I end up with something like this
[00:22] <Juv1228> http://i.imgur.com/KjqXKSm.png
[00:22] <Juv1228> where ever it was in the process of screenshotting, it just tiles that bit to fill the rest
[00:22] <Juv1228> so the longer I wait, the more complete the image is
[00:22] <Juv1228> has anyone ever seen this before? its rather bizarre to me
[00:23] <GridCube> Juv1228, try using scrot
[00:23] <GridCube> i've seen this issue with my second monitor when its not on
[00:24] <Juv1228> no shit, scrot works perfectly
[00:24] <Juv1228> has a bug report been filed about this?
[00:25] <Juv1228> at least i can screenshot now, but the nice thing about shutter/xfce4-screenshooter is you can just pick a window/region
[00:27] <Juv1228> I guess scrot can do this too actually
[00:33] <GridCube> you can save the image and then crop it with gthumb
[00:36] <Juv1228> GridCube, i probably should have read the scrot manpage, since it has -s flag which does interactive region selection
[00:46] <GridCube> oh
[00:46] <GridCube> good :D
[00:56] <xubuntu789> hello
[00:56] <xubuntu789> does xubuntu has privacy setting，I am worry about this
[00:57] <bekks> xubuntu789: Which "privacy setting" do you mean in detail?
[00:57] <Sh1G3rU> what kind? internet traces , logs
[00:57] <xubuntu789> yes
[00:58] <bekks> xubuntu789: "yes" is not a valid answer to "what..." :)
[00:58] <Sh1G3rU> xubuntu789, internet traces are mostly those left behind by your broser
[00:58] <Sh1G3rU> browser*
[00:59] <Sh1G3rU> i would set firefox to permamently stay in private mode for starter
[00:59] <Sh1G3rU> then the system logs, accesses etc
[01:00] <xubuntu789> ubuntu has a privacy setting in system setting
[01:00] <xubuntu789> but
[01:00] <xubuntu789>  I
[01:00] <xubuntu789>  dont find in xubuntu
[01:01] <Sh1G3rU> xubuntu789, ubuntu and unity have another aproach to things for starting you recieve ads directly to your desktop while in xfce you dont
[01:02] <Sh1G3rU> hi ObrienDave
[01:02] <xubuntu789> I just want to be monitored when I use my computer
[01:02] <xubuntu789> dont want
[01:02] <Sh1G3rU> then you are in the right place with xubuntu
[01:02] <Sh1G3rU> activate ufw
[01:03] <bekks> xubuntu789: Monitored by whom?
[01:03] <bekks> xubuntu789: your ISP will always know what you are doing.
[01:03] <Sh1G3rU> unless you use a VPN
[01:03] <xubuntu789> canonical company
[01:04] <bekks> xubuntu789: Even in Ubuntu Canonical has no clue what you are doing.
[01:05] <Sh1G3rU> ObrienDave,  are you still having internet issues?
[01:07] <xubuntu789> Thanks,I have no questions
[01:11] <ObrienDave> Sh1G3rU, howdy, happy new year
[01:11] <Sh1G3rU> happy new year ObrienDave
[01:12] <Sh1G3rU> iv been into 2014 for 2 hours now :p
[01:17] <ObrienDave> yes, big time
[01:37] <Sh1G3rU> ObrienDave, finally you net seem stable
[02:09] <ObrienDave> am i still here?
[02:43] <glenrock> i installed the Faenza icon theme from source and the user-available.png icon for Pidgin isn't working.  any idea how to go about resolving that?   i see the icon in the status/16 folder, but the normal pidgin logo only appears in the notification area
[03:23] <xubuntu786> HAPPY NEW YEARS
[03:23] <xubuntu786> i'm gaii
[03:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Uh... OK, Happy 2014...
[03:51] <uBUXUBu> happy new years xubuntites
[03:51] <uBUXUBu> thank u
[03:52] <SonikkuAmerica> ...
[03:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Did you just answer... yourself?
[03:53] <cfhowlett> LOL
[13:47] <vespertilio> hi there
[15:27] <Yammer> I love xubuntu!
[15:27] <koell> i love lubuntu!
[15:27] <Yammer> Well, some of us have to be diffrent I guess :P
[15:28] <koell> The L is for lightweight :P
[15:28] <Yammer> lol, xfce isn't so heavy,.but yeah lxde is lighter
[15:29] <beginner> after i entering my encryption password, xubuntu fail to boot. I get initramfs console. Same with recovery mode. Where i need to begin in order to fix
[15:29] <koell> Yammer: i need to test xfce before. but there are some xfce elements in lubuntu too such as the power manager
[15:30] <Yammer> koell: That's the nice thing about linux, you aren't locked into on DE, and your fav apps for one will run in other DE's
[15:31] <Yammer> Mostly
[15:31] <koell> yeah mostly :D
[15:32] <koell> Yammer: first time here? i love those small channels with just a hundred people in
[15:32] <Yammer> Unity... stinks
[15:32] <Yammer> koell: Not really, I've been here before. I am just not a huge IRC fan.
[15:33] <beginner> anyone ?
[15:33] <Yammer> Sorry beginner, I am just an end user
[15:34] <Yammer> You might want to try the main Ubuntu chat, the only diff is that xubuntu has a diffrent DE
[15:34] <koell> beginner: me too, just use the clicki-bunti as it is :D
[15:34] <Sysi> koell: a channel with several hunder people being small? try #xubuntu-offtopic
[15:36] <koell> Sysi: still better than #debian or #ubuntu with 1k join/left msgs ;)
[15:37] <Sysi> sure
[15:40] <Yammer> Well my new install is almost done, see you on the flip side.
[15:44] <koell> Is there a GTK/QT-ish look n feal of Chromium/Chrome available? The default one looks so cross-platform terrible ugly, I dont want to use.
[17:17] <holstein> koell: i look in the settings for the browser, and i find options for using the system theme, or one custom in the browser
[17:42] <xubuntu165> Hey can someone tell me if  Xbuntu run Chrome or just Chromium?
[17:42] <Sh1G3rU> they can both
[17:43] <xubuntu165> Cool, I was thinking about getting the Odroid
[17:44] <xubuntu165> it's basically the specs of a galaxy s 3
[17:46] <Sh1G3rU> omg be careful with that it can cause seisures :P
[17:47] <xubuntu165> oh news to me
[17:49] <Sysi> chrome probably won't run on arm hardware
[17:49] <Sysi> unless google compiles it on that too, I haven't checked
[17:51] <xubuntu165> oh ok thanks, i'll try to ask the odroid people
[17:51] <Sysi> download page seems to only offer i686/amd64
[17:52] <Sysi> even if you're big fan of the pdf reader in chrome, flash is gonna be bigger problem, on all browsers
[17:52] <holstein> you would ask "the chrome people" to make a version for the device/arch.. you cant ask the device to become compatible
[17:53] <xubuntu165> oh ok
[17:53] <Sh1G3rU> is there any petition we can sign in to stop flash from raging. i believe we can reach 7 billions signs in few minutes
[17:55] <Sysi> try to get people to contribute to shumway rather
[17:55] <Sh1G3rU> whats shumway?
[17:56] <Sysi> http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/
[17:57] <rayduf> why montreal  second city of  canada is not in time zone
[17:58] <holstein> rayduf: you pick the timezone.. there should be other places that reflect that timezone
[17:58] <rayduf> no  sorry  check  all over
[17:59] <holstein> rayduf: you pick a city in the same tz.. there is no localization going on there
[18:00] <rayduf> on 1st install it  gave me  toronto   which  is  1 h diff
[18:00] <rayduf> im in  montreal  area
[18:00] <holstein> rayduf: manually select what works for you.. you can set this later, as well
[18:01] <rayduf> yes  but  no  montreal  even  after
[18:01] <Sh1G3rU> motreal is there
[18:01] <Sh1G3rU> it gave you by default toronto because probably your ip belongs to some toronto isp
[18:02] <holstein> should be.. i use new york city, though im 600 miles from there
[18:02] <Sh1G3rU> and thats how it defines where you are
[18:02] <rayduf> motreal   or  montreal
[18:02] <rayduf> i know  ny  is  on same  time zone
[18:02] <holstein> rayduf: choose one based on the tz.. the city is not important there
[18:03] <rayduf> fine  but  ubuntu  giver it  to me  auto
[18:03] <holstein> rayduf: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[18:04] <rayduf> somebody   just  forget it   admit  it
[18:04] <holstein> rayduf: could be a different IP now
[18:05] <rayduf> where is  time zone in xubuntu
[18:05] <holstein> rayduf: during the install?
[18:05] <rayduf> after  install
[18:07] <holstein> these ways are more generic, and should work on most linux distros http://www.wikihow.com/Change-the-Timezone-in-Linux ..this looks like what i would expect in xubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/232592/xubuntu-12-04-wrong-time-change-system-language
[18:08] <rayduf> thx holstein
[19:05] <user23213> can somebody help ? xubuntu fail to boot. I get initramfs console. Dont know what happening, what i need to do first ?
[19:05] <user23213> to fix this ?
[19:05] <holstein> user23213: i would test the hardware
[19:06] <user23213> hardware is ok, im using pc now. on live usb...
[19:06] <holstein> user23213: if you are on the live USB, then, you can test the hard drive properly from there
[19:07] <user23213> how to do that ?
[19:07] <user23213> you mean with fsck ?
[19:07] <holstein> user23213: i use "gsmartcontrol" to run at least a short test
[19:08] <holstein> user23213: fsck is a different tool
[19:08] <user23213> yeah, i know. i was thinking maybe i need to check filesystem
[19:09] <user23213> you talking about checking hdd for bad sectors or what ?
[19:09] <holstein> user23213: i would test the physical hard drive.. then, run a filesystem check/test.. then, consider replacing the parts if needed, or reinstall if necessary
[19:09] <holstein> user23213: im talking about checking the hardware.. for whatever may be bad
[19:10] <user23213> ok
[19:10] <user23213> i will look at that
[22:22] <Vito_> hello
[22:22] <Guest67302> is there anyone who could help me resolving my screen resolution problems in Xubuntu?
[22:23] <knome> Guest67302, ask away and we'll see if somebody is able to answer
[22:23] <koell1> i'll try my best
[22:23] <Guest67302> the problem is that i have a laptop
[22:23] <Guest67302> and xubuntu sees my laptop monitor as a default
[22:24] <knome> if *that's* the problem, i'll take the laptop and you're good ;)
[22:24] <Guest67302> so i am able to set 1024x768 resolution instead of 1440x900
[22:25] <Guest67302> well, is there any way that you could guide me through changing this?
[22:25] <Guest67302> sorry for my english
[22:25] <knome> are you trying to use an external monitor?
[22:25] <knome> or just can't set the laptop monitor to the full resolution?
[22:26] <Guest67302> i cant set 1440x900 instead of 1024x768
[22:26] <Guest67302> but when i connected external monitor it didnt work anyway
[22:26] <Guest67302> i mean thats not the biggest issue right now
[22:26] <Guest67302> if there is some way i could set this higher resolution
[22:26] <Guest67302> that would save me
[22:27] <Guest67302> i tried couple different distros
[22:27] <Guest67302> neither of them work
[22:27] <Guest67302> would like to stay with xubuntu
[22:27] <koell1> usually this should work out of the box
[22:28] <Guest67302> in windows that problem do not exist cause there are drivers only for windows
[22:28] <Guest67302> maybe that's the case
[22:28] <koell1> Guest67302: whants the name of your laptop? you may find others with the same problem in forums
[22:28] <Guest67302> i tried
[22:28] <Guest67302> it's been like half a year i have this problem
[22:28] <koell1> omg this sucks
[22:29] <Guest67302> is there any way i could force linux to use some resolution or sth?
[22:29] <holstein> Guest67302: what hardware do you have?
[22:31] <Guest67302> i have found a solution for my graphic card written especially for xubuntu on this site
[22:31] <Guest67302> https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/sis
[22:31] <Guest67302> but when i followed the guide
[22:31] <Guest67302> and restarted pc
[22:31] <Guest67302> xorg crashed
[22:31] <holstein> Guest67302: what hardware to you have?
[22:31] <holstein> Guest67302: an sis card?
[22:31] <Guest67302> tell me command so i can paste it to you
[22:31] <Guest67302> yes
[22:32] <holstein> Guest67302: i have one sis chip... i just dont use it anymore
[22:32] <holstein> Guest67302: these days, hardware is so resonable, i usually just try and purchase with linux support in mind
[22:32] <holstein> Guest67302: that doesnt mean you can put a custom xorg.conf in place that may do what you are trying to do
[22:33] <holstein> Guest67302: TBH, im surprised the external display port works at all.. on my via chip, it doesnt work at all
[22:33] <holstein> Guest67302: the guide you reference is for 12.04.. are you using 12.04?
[22:33] <Guest67302> yes
[22:34] <Guest67302> i downloaded xubuntu especially for this
[22:34] <Guest67302> didnt work
[22:34] <Guest67302> and that was like couple months ago
[22:34] <holstein> Guest67302: the guide states it will not workk anymore
[22:34] <koell1> you may try lubuntu :D
[22:34] <holstein> "Unfortunately you can't use this solution in main Ubuntu 12.04, because starting with 12.04.2 (second point release), main Ubuntu 12.04 no longer has the original kernel tree and X.org, which are required for this solution. "
[22:34] <holstein> koell1: lubuntu and xubuntu *are* ubuntu
[22:34] <holstein> koell1: no different driver support there
[22:34] <holstein> you are welcome to try lubuntu live, but the support will be the same
[22:35] <Guest67302> Xubuntu 12.04 and Lubuntu 12.04 still have the original kernel tree and X.org, and will never change that.
[22:35] <Guest67302> it stays that it will work on xubuntu and lubuntu
[22:35] <koell1> holstein: weird, because i switched 3 months ago from ubuntu to lubuntu because my thouchpad didn't work there anymore
[22:35] <Guest67302> but not ubuntu
[22:36] <Guest67302> well its not true anyway
[22:36] <holstein> koell1: its more likely ubuntu 12.04 didnt support it, and lubuntu 13.10 did..
[22:36] <Guest67302> cause when i tried this display just crashed
[22:36] <holstein> Guest67302: they will have the same xorg versions in the repo
[22:36] <Guest67302> and i could only use text mode
[22:36] <holstein> Guest67302: the point release is what is referenced there, and relevant
[22:36] <holstein> Guest67302: from 12.04.2 on..
[22:37] <holstein> Guest67302: *all* 12.04 versions will still have the older version
[22:37] <Guest67302> i tried newer version too
[22:37] <Guest67302> but problem was the same
[22:37] <Guest67302> so i decided to stay with the lts
[22:38] <Guest67302> anyway u guys have any idea what should i try to do?
[22:38] <holstein> Guest67302: the *older* version is what you need
[22:38] <Guest67302> older then 12.04?
[22:38] <holstein> Guest67302: i know nothing about that guide, but its asking for you to use 12.04
[22:38] <Guest67302> what for?
[22:38] <holstein> Guest67302: *not* 12.04.*
[22:38] <holstein> Guest67302: for the guide.. 12.04 is not the same as 12.04.2..
[22:38] <Guest67302> yeah and im using version which this guide is asking me for
[22:39] <Guest67302> what?
[22:39] <holstein> Guest67302: if you have a currrently installed and up to date 12.04, then that is *not* the version
[22:39] <Guest67302> lol
[22:39] <holstein> Guest67302: every 6 months 12.04 gets rev'd
[22:40] <holstein> Guest67302: the original 12.04 is what is referenced in the guide.. not 12.04.newer
[22:40] <holstein> and, im not saying that guide works
[22:40] <Guest67302> is there any way i can get this version?
[22:40] <Guest67302> shouldnt i downloaded uptades or sth?
[22:40] <holstein> Guest67302: yes. you download it, and dont update
[22:40] <Guest67302> that seems weird
[22:41] <holstein> Guest67302: yes.. i suggest applying updates, and not following this guide
[22:41] <Guest67302> well but that doesnt solve my problem
[22:41] <holstein> Guest67302: but, if you want to use it, you'll need to follow it, by using the older version of 12.04, and not upgrading it
[22:41] <Guest67302> i will have lower resolution forever
[22:41] <Guest67302> its not like i want to use it
[22:41] <Guest67302> i just want to solve my problem
[22:41] <Guest67302> but i dont know how to set higher resolution
[22:41] <holstein> Guest67302: and im not sure that this solves it, ether
[22:41] <holstein> either*
[22:42] <Guest67302> i know that native resolution of this monitor is 1440x900
[22:42] <Guest67302> cause thats the res i had in windows
[22:42] <holstein> Guest67302: thats not in debate..
[22:42] <Guest67302> and thats hat i want
[22:42] <holstein> Guest67302: the vendor supports windows
[22:42] <Guest67302> u mean i cant do that?
[22:43] <holstein> Guest67302: nothing about linux or xubuntu is preventing that.. but the vendor is not making that easy, and yes, it may not be possible
[22:44] <Guest67302> well u have any idea what should i do to try to change that?
[22:44] <Guest67302> any command which i can follow
[22:44] <Guest67302> i am not rly good with linux
[22:45] <Guest67302> but i think that a year writing in forums of all distros is when i can say ive had enough
[22:45] <Guest67302> just wanted to drive by and ask there
[22:45] <Guest67302> so there is no way?
[22:45] <Guest67302> or nothing you can think of right now?
[22:48] <holstein> Guest67302: there can be no way, correct.. ideally, the vendor would provide a drive
[22:48] <holstein> driver
[22:48] <Guest67302> well there is a driver
[22:48] <holstein> Guest67302: you can also sometimes use a custom xorg.conf.. but, its not trivial
[22:49] <Guest67302> i just dont know how to install it
[22:49] <holstein> Guest67302: sure.. but, i think its for a different operating sytem, correct?
[22:49] <Guest67302> nah i found a driver especially for linux
[22:49] <Guest67302> from sis
[22:49] <holstein> Guest67302: if not, link the driver, and maybe someone can help.. ideally, the creator of the driver will help
[22:49] <holstein> Guest67302: link the driver, friend
[22:51] <Guest67302> oh i just realised its intended for redhat
[22:52] <Guest67302> http://w3.sis.com/download/
[22:52] <Guest67302> linux, igp drivers, sis 750 series
[22:53] <holstein> Guest67302: i see nothing for 750
[22:53] <holstein> Guest67302: only 740
[22:53] <holstein> Guest67302: 730 ad 740
[22:54] <Guest67302> how can i check mine with a command in xubuntu?
[22:54] <holstein> Guest67302: i use lspci in a terminal
[22:54] <Guest67302> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter (rev 10)
[22:55] <Guest67302> which is exacly the one in this guide
[22:55] <Guest67302> https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/sis
[22:55] <holstein> Guest67302: i see nothing available at the site for those #'s
[22:55] <Guest67302> that ones wont be compatible?
[22:56] <holstein> Guest67302: you'd have to ask the folks who make it, but if it doesnt say "supports your device", then theres nothing that makes me think it would
[22:56] <holstein> i know, since i have prior experience with sis, i would just be glad its working..
[23:06] <Guido1> hello, I'm using seamnkey and firefox on xubuntu. some websits ask if it is allowed to get information about the location. if i say "yes" it doesn't work. if i use the same browsers on windows xp it works. so i assume that it has to do with xubuntu.
[23:06] <holstein> what doesnt work, Guido1 ?
[23:08] <Guido1> holstein: If you for example visit the webside https://www.couchsurfing.org/ and you log in the webside wants to know the location of you (determined by the ip)
[23:08] <Guido1> in the browser I say that the webside may get this information, but the webside doesn't get the information
[23:08] <Guido1> if i use the same browser on windows XP it works


[12:41] <shallwe> hi guys, please LXDE uses QT?
[12:42] <silverlion> shallwe, not yet. we are working on it to come in 15.04
[12:43] <shallwe> silverlion: ty man !
[12:44] <shallwe> i will try now lubuntu :) downloading...


[00:35] <Unit193> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/doj-fcc-chairman-ok-chartertime-warner-cable-deal-with-a-few-caveats/ "New Charter will not be permitted to charge usage-based prices or impose data caps."  Well hey...
[00:35] <jenni> [ DOJ, FCC chairman ok Charter/Time Warner Cable deal, with a few caveats | Ars Technica ] - https://j.mp/1YQYexE
[00:38] <Unit193> "I felt a great disturbance in the Internet, as if millions of subscribers suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."
[13:34] <yano> http://nbc4i.com/2016/04/26/report-10-percent-of-ohio-children-have-a-parent-in-prison/
[13:34] <jenni> [ Report: 10 percent of Ohio children have a parent in prison | NBC4i.com ] - https://j.mp/1qPrjhW
[18:11] <yano> http://www.dispatch.com/content/sections/services/dispatch-mobile.html
[18:11] <jenni> [ Dispatch Mobile Text Alerts | The Columbus Dispatch ] - https://j.mp/1g5TLWz
[21:32] <yano> http://radio.wosu.org/post/franklin-county-offers-transgender-inclusive-health-care
[21:33] <jenni> [ Franklin County Offers Transgender-Inclusive Health Care | WOSU Radio ] - https://j.mp/1SyLnMO


[08:18] <RikMills> RikMills
[08:19] <RikMills> ^ testing TG bridge
[11:17] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[22:12] <RikMills> mamarley: initial build of 5.73.0 is in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4178
[22:13] <mamarley> RikMills: Cool, I will give it a shot. :)
[22:19] <mamarley> I'm just going to copy the packages to my -staging4 PPA though since I don't want to add a transient ci-train PPA to all my systems.
[23:37] <sorcerer> kubuntu-dev wallpaper i found https://tinyurl.com/y2ub4pkk


[00:10] <adam_g> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/894479
[00:10] <adam_g> hallyn: any ideas?
[00:16] <adam_g> Daviey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/894473/ that testing override look reasonable?
[00:22] <hallyn> adam_g: no, that shouldn't be happening...
[00:22] <hallyn> Daviey: bug 891232
[00:23] <hallyn> adam_g: is your system uptodate?  i'll try a fresh instance...
[00:23] <hallyn> adam_g: unless you have other files under /etc/apparmor.d/lxc that you created...
[00:24] <adam_g> hallyn: strange, this happened on one of the CI nodes, the same version installed fine across all of the other nodes, though.
[00:24] <hallyn> adam_g: disconcerting
[00:24] <hallyn> are they all using hte same mirror?
[00:24] <adam_g> i know juju is the one installing lxc, wonder if its doing anything strange
[00:25] <Daviey> hallyn: ok, thanks.. i bumped the status back, which makes it show on the tracking page
[00:26] <Daviey> adam_g: looks good, not tested it.. It's a shame there isn't a helper in the upstream src
[00:26] <hallyn> adam_g: is that instance still up?
[00:27] <hallyn> adam_g: if so, can you pastebin /etc/apparmor.d/lxc-container and /etc/apparmor.d/* ?
[00:28] <adam_g> hallyn: sure one sec
[00:29] <adam_g> Daviey: cool. seems to work just fine with jenkins builds
[00:29] <hallyn> i've gotta run out actually, backin awhile
[00:31] <Daviey> hallyn: o/
[00:35] <adam_g> hallyn: gonna tear down and redeploy, see if its a fluke. here is /etc/apparmor.d/ for you if interested, http://people.canonical.com/~agandelman/apparmor.tar
[01:00] <hallyn> adam_g: thx
[01:02] <hallyn> adam_g: really if it happens again, probably best to file a bug against lxc and mark it as also affecting apparmor (bc the files look fine, so it sounds like a transient error in the apparmor_parser)
[01:03] <adam_g> hallyn: ill keep an eye out for it, so far so good
[01:06] <stgraber> hallyn: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/precise/edubuntu-dvd/20120322/livecd-20120322-i386.out
[01:06] <stgraber> hallyn: Edubuntu DVD build failed because of the new lxc's postinst
[01:07] <stgraber> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/894524/ is the important part
[01:09] <hallyn> stgraber: so apparmor is installed but not active?  why couldn't it find the fs?
[01:09] <hallyn> maybe i'm supposed to use /lib/init/apparmor-profile-load
[01:10] <hallyn> jdstrand: in a postinst, should i be using /lib/init/apparmor-profile-load in place of apparmor_parser?
[01:10] <hallyn> jjohansen: ^
[01:11] <stgraber> hallyn: well, that's in a live-build environment so a chroot in a chroot on an older kernel :)
[01:12] <stgraber> hallyn: apparmor is indeed insalled in that chroot but certainly doesn't match the version in the kernel (probably 2.6.24) and no services are running as it's a chroot using policy-rc.d to prevent anything from starting
[01:12] <stgraber> so not your everyday use case except it's what we have on the CD builders and so it needs fixing before we can get dailies again :)
[01:13] <hallyn> stgraber: using apparmor-profile-load would check for the fs, but not kernel compatibility.  so not sure that'd be 100% fix
[01:13] <hallyn> will push a fix as soon as i get guidance :)
[01:14] <hallyn> stgraber: open a bug?
[01:14] <hallyn> note i won't be in tomorrow
[01:15] <hallyn> ah
[01:15] <hallyn> maybe i can check /sys/kernel/security/apparmor/features/mount/
[01:15] <hallyn> stgraber: is it possible for you to walk into such a chroot and see if /sys/kernel/security/apparmor/features/mount/ exists ?
[01:16] <stgraber> hallyn: no, these builds run on a livefs builder in the DC and are flushed immediately when they fail
[01:16] <hallyn> stgraber: will they try to build+run a container?
[01:17] <stgraber> hallyn: I'll have a quick look through the log to see if I can find some information on /sys/kernel/security/apparmor/features/mount/
[01:18] <stgraber> hallyn: my guess is that nothing in /proc or /sys is mounted
[01:19] <hallyn> stgraber: ok i'll do the checks by hand.  i also will update lxc-start bc i suspect it'll break you as well.
[01:19] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, actually based on the logs /proc and /sys are mounted, no mention of securityfs though, so probably not mounted (unless some packages do it)
[01:31] <hallyn> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/894544/ is for the postinst part
[01:31] <hallyn> I'm going to add a patch to start.c before pushing
[01:32] <hallyn> stgraber: opinion q
[01:33] <hallyn> stgraber: if a transition to container polciy fails, should we just ignore it?
[01:33] <hallyn> ah
[01:36] <stgraber> hallyn: the problem isn't "on livecd" it's "on the livecd builder"
[01:36] <stgraber> hallyn: I think running lxc on the livecd will probably work fine
[01:37] <hallyn> stgraber: the reason i'm worried is that it *looks* as though apparmor policies don'et get loaded on livecd
[01:37] <hallyn> (look at /lib/init/apparmor-profile-load)
[01:38] <hallyn> soi want to quickly check, before we start loading the container, if apparmor module is loaded and we're in lxc-start profile, and skip the transition if not
[01:38] <stgraber> hallyn: ah, indeed, I guess no apparmor in the live environment was to make things faster
[01:39] <hallyn> well ok maybe i should push this fix, so you can get it built, and then we can fix lxc-on-livecd next (and try to do it properly)
[01:39] <stgraber> hallyn: running /lib/init/apparmor-profile-load would make sense as we'd avoid some code duplication in the process, unless it's bad to do that for some reason
[01:39] <hallyn> it still doesn't check for mount support, so it's not really enough
[01:40] <hallyn> inf act i guess the upstart job should be fixed to check for that too
[01:41] <hallyn> oh, but we can't
[01:41] <hallyn> can't be sure securityfs is mounted
[01:45] <hallyn> stgraber: heh i was being dense.  so yes switching to that, as per http://paste.ubuntu.com/894559/
[01:47] <stgraber> hallyn: looks good
[01:53] <jjohansen> hallyn: hrmm I honestly don't know, I will have to defer to jdstrand, I still haven't dug into the debian packaging end of things. Its one of those perpetual I look at it this cycle ... things
[01:54] <hallyn> jjohansen: I'm feeling pretty good about the patch i'm whipping up :)
[01:54] <hallyn> jjohansen: will you be around in a few mins to proofread?
[01:55] <jjohansen> hallyn, stgraber: apparmor was pulled from the livecd environment ages ago because of unionfs issues actutally, and it was never reinstated because it wasn't considered to be important there
[01:55] <jjohansen> hallyn: yeah I'll be around, I just got back from dinner
[01:55] <hallyn> jjohansen: that's funny, bc i thought it was a regression when overlayfs didn't work with it.  But now I see why it was never found :)  good good
[01:57] <jjohansen> hallyn: actually it is a regression, it works with aufs, and unionfs.  I know why its not working with overlayfs but get a proper fix (not attach_disconnected) just isn't going to happen this cycle.
[01:58] <jjohansen> the unionfs bug is back when I was at Novell and Ubuntu tried switching to unionfs 2.1 instead of 1.4, it was buggy and crashed and they endup pull AA to try fixing it and then reverting to unionfs 1.4 in the end but not restoring AA
[01:58] <hallyn> jjohansen: oh noes.  what the heck do the contents of /sys/modules/apparmor/enabled mean?
[01:59] <hallyn> why is it 10 instead of 1
[02:00] <jjohansen> hallyn: 10? It should be Y
[02:00] <hallyn> hmm, when i read it as %c it's 'm'
[02:00] <hallyn> gah
[02:01] <hallyn> sorry.  my bad
[02:04] <hallyn> runlevel 2 is entered AFTER rc-sysinit right?
[02:10] <hallyn> jjohansen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/894576/  is what I'm looking at...
[02:10] <hallyn> jjohansen: pls critique :)
[02:11] <twb> SYSF sounds like its missing an -S
[02:12] <hallyn> oh is that why it looked funny :)
[02:12] <twb> Why are you binding it to a variable if you only evaluate the variable once?
 to keep the condition easy to read?
[02:12] <hallyn> and under 80 cols
[02:12] <hallyn> over-conditioned
[02:13] <twb> I have a coworker who does things like
[02:13] <twb> PATH_TO_ETC_EXPORTS=/etc/exports
[02:14] <hallyn> :)
[02:14] <twb> FWIW, type is not SUS portable, nor is which.  But Debian is (AFAIK) guaranteed to have both.  I would generally use which on Debian because that seems to be the convention.
[02:14] <hallyn> i suppose if it's going to be dereference tons of times...
[02:14] <twb> (I'm assuming the postinst is #!/bin/sh and not #!/bin/bash
[02:15] <hallyn> twb: oh, i always used which in the past,
[02:15] <twb> It's merely a style issue
[02:15] <hallyn> then saw type, and thought "huh, must be som ereason they're using that"
[02:16] <twb> If the existing code is already using type you might as well keep to that convention
[02:17] <twb> Typo:  94 ++              INFO("apparmor not emabled");
[02:17] <hallyn> d'oh, landed my var decl inside a long #else
[02:17] <hallyn> thanks
[02:17] <twb> Does this affect both lxc-start and lxc-exec?  And if so, does it DTRT for both cases?
[02:18] <twb> (I'm looking at the patch part but it's beyond my expertise.)
[02:21] <hallyn> twb: they both use lxc_start() from start.c.  so it should, and seems to be here
[02:26] <jjohansen> hallyn: twb has caught more things than I did
[02:26] <hallyn> twb: ah, but, it doesn't
[02:26] <hallyn> the lxc-init wants to mount /proc and /sys.  it's not allowed to
[02:27] <jjohansen> hallyn: there is an  aa_is_enabled fn if you want, but your rolling your own is fine
[02:27] <twb> I WIN
[02:28] <hallyn> jjohansen: d'oh!  i looked for a manpage but couldn't find anything like that
[02:28] <twb> paranoia strikes again
[02:28] <hallyn> guess i only tried aa_enabled
[02:28] <hallyn> jjohansen: i trust aa_is_enabled would be more robust?
[02:28] <jjohansen> hallyn: hrmm, sorry they really should be bread crumbs between the different man pages but that one seems to be missing
[02:29] <hallyn> right i looked for 'see also' in the others :)
[02:29] <jjohansen> hallyn: heh, it does much the same thing but includes a search of mount points in case things get mounted else where
[02:30] <hallyn> how often do they get mounted elsewhere?
[02:30] <hallyn> my inclination is, if they're mounted elsewhere, we want to disable aa for containers... but not sure
[02:30] <jjohansen> but I think most of the scripts would break if things weren't mounted at /sys
[02:30] <jjohansen> hallyn: call it a hold over from by gone times before securityfs
[02:31] <jjohansen> hallyn: like I said rolling your own is fine
[02:31] <jjohansen> I really don't see a need to change it
[02:32] <jjohansen> hallyn: I guess it does let you detect a little more about how/why apparmor is disabled
[02:32] <jjohansen> eg. available but disabled at boot
[02:32] <hallyn> stgraber: I really think we'll want to allow containers to mount proc ->/proc and sys -> /sys just to reduce # of complaints
[02:33] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, I didn't do it because it worked without it
[02:33] <stgraber> hallyn: but it's safe to allow so no problem with that
[02:34] <hallyn> stgraber: the only reason i'm hesitating is they'll just want to mount devpts next (and that they cant)
[02:35] <stgraber> hallyn: you could add a generic "deny mount fstype=devpts," with a comment explaining why we never want it
[02:35] <hallyn> all right i'm adding it
[02:35] <hallyn> good idea (long as it doesn't confuse apparmor)
[02:35] <stgraber> it'll silence anything trying to do it and if they look at the profile they'll see why
[02:35] <jjohansen> stgraber, hallyn: so I working through the fixes for change_onexec, and the deny mount bug.  They should be in tomorrows up load
[02:36] <stgraber> jjohansen: great, thanks!
[02:36] <jjohansen> hallyn: as well as the getcon fixes I have
[02:37] <jjohansen> stgraber: there is a small syntactic change to the mount rules
[02:37] <stgraber> jjohansen: ah?
[02:37] <jjohansen> the options bit is picking up another keyword
[02:37] <hallyn> wait - what is the deny mount bug?
[02:38] <hallyn> will i hit it if i'm adding 'deny mount fstype=devpts" ?
[02:38] <stgraber> hallyn: "deny mount..." won't match with the current apparmor
[02:38] <jjohansen> hallyn: it doesn't always result in the correct denial at the moment, depending on the options being set
[02:38] <hallyn> will it deny a different mount potentially, or just not deny it?
[02:38] <hallyn> the latter's ok, the former is bad :)
[02:38] <stgraber> not that I could see
[02:39] <jjohansen> hallyn: no that should not cause a problem
[02:39] <hallyn> cool
[02:39] <hallyn> ok, testing http://people.canonical.com/~serge/debdiff
[02:39] <jjohansen> stgraber: so you can do option=(X, Y) that means this rule requires those options be set to match
[02:39] <jjohansen> and you can do
[02:40] <jjohansen>   options in (X, Y)
[02:40] <jjohansen> meaning any of the options can be set
[02:40] <hallyn> i dn't envy the person who's going to document that :)
[02:41] <jjohansen> heh, no. Its ugly, we kicked around a lot of different ways to express it, and decided that with the current time frame ...
[02:42] <stgraber> jjohansen: oh, that's nice, the "options in (a, b)" will definitely be useful for stuff like devpts
[02:43] <jjohansen> stgraber: yeah, it has its uses
[02:43] <jjohansen> especially around writing deny mount options in (X, Y, Z)
[02:44] <jjohansen> hallyn, stgraber: we will be looking at revising the syntax for the next release, so any improvements you can think of are more than welcome
[02:44] <hallyn> pls keep me posted if it's going to require lxc chagnes to keep up :)
[02:45] <hallyn> d'oh.  stgraber: another thing occurred to me- would be good to get apport info into lxc
[02:45] <jjohansen> hallyn: we plan to keep it backwards compatible, so changes should not be required but if you have something you would like I would like to hear about it
[02:46] <jjohansen> the current syntax is an uncomfortable compromise
[02:50] <hallyn> will think about it, thanks
[02:50] <hallyn> (long drive tomororw, time to think :)
[02:50] <hallyn> ok i think i'm pushing
[02:51] <stgraber> debdiff looked good, didn't look the C change too closely though but I'm sure you tested it so it probably won't be any worse at least ;)
[02:52] <hallyn> and *that* should be my last upload before this freeze :)
[02:53] <hallyn> now i can go back to fretting over how brittle libvirt and qemu feel
[02:54] <stgraber> I'll do some LXC tests tomorrow now that the installer sprint is over, if I find something broken I'll fix it
[02:55] <hallyn> great, thanks
[02:55] <hallyn> hm, so server guide string freeze is tomorrow
[02:55] <hallyn> so i have tonight to get in an update to the lxc section about apparmor
[02:56] <stgraber> lxc is only affected by beta2 freeze because it's part of Edubuntu but as I'm the product manager for Edubuntu I should be able to get something trough even post-freeze time if needed (as long as I have time to test the new images)
[02:56] <stgraber> I believe someone asked for a later freeze time of the server guide, hold on a sec I'll dig a link
[02:56] <hallyn> that'd be great
[02:57] <hallyn> (i suppose we can always just put that documentation on the wiki and integrate into server guide later)
[02:57] <stgraber> hallyn: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000991.html
[02:57] <hallyn> for middle-of-the-night driving, it helps staying awake to think through a paper or docs to write
[02:58] <hallyn> cool, thanks.  that also gives me time to review the libvirt part
[03:15] <hallyn> good night, see you all friday
[07:55] <smb> smoser, No, smb usually has no ideas after sensible working hours and even more on Wednesdays. ;)
[08:20] <koolhead11> hi all
[08:57] <Znow> Ive followed the guide on ubuntu, for setting up Samba fileshare - so I can map a drive on my windows machine to the ubuntu virtual machine. I can ping the ubuntu machine, but cant map the drive, it says network error. does the ubuntu virtual machine need a static ip address for this?
[08:59] <uksysadmin> hey guys
[08:59] <uksysadmin> great work on openstack btw - I've got Ubuntu 12.04 running Essex: Nova, Glance, Keystone, Horizon and Swift
[08:59] <uksysadmin> wanted to make sure that your efforts are not going unnoticed
[09:03] <koolhead11> uksysadmin:  :D
[09:15] <ejv> openstack?
[09:16] <ejv> interesting
[09:18] <koolhead11> ejv: i was execting "O WAO" reaction TBH :)
[09:18] <koolhead11> *expecting
[09:23] <Znow> my top bar with menues wont show on 11.10???
[09:23] <Znow> how can I get it to show?
[09:24]  * koolhead11 points Znow to #ubuntu
[09:29] <thevinci> how do i install third party drivers from the command line in ubuntu server?
[09:29] <thevinci> I need my broadcom wireless driver to work
[09:36] <jamespage> morning all
[09:39] <ejv> sorry i haven't drank the cloud koolaid just yet koolhead11 ;)
[09:39] <koolhead11> ejv: :P
[09:49] <blizzkid> Hi all. might not be the most appropriate chan to ask in, but has the UCP programme been cancelled? I still find some info about it, but seems outdated...
[09:53] <jamespage> bencer_, binary packages just got accepted - should appear in the archive in the next couple of hours
[09:57] <rbasak> thevinci: the jockey-common package will give you a jockey-text command which I think is the equivalent of the GUI tool for proprietary drivers on the desktop, but I've never used it (I avoid that kind of hardware). That might be a starting point. Or you could do whatever jockey does manually - perhaps there's a package in the archive for your hardware?
[09:59] <lynxman> morning o/
[10:01] <jamespage> jodh, whats the recommended way to disable an upstart configuration these days?
[10:02] <jodh> jamespage: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#disabling-a-job-from-automatically-starting
[10:02] <jodh> jamespage: specifically, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#override-files
[10:02] <jamespage> jodh, was just reading that - thanks for the confirmation
[10:26] <jamespage> jodh, are you around for a question about wait-for-state?
[10:27] <jodh> jamespage: that's one of SpamapSs, but you can try :)
[10:31] <jamespage> jodh, OK - just let me frame my question
[10:35] <jamespage> jodh, actually I think I just answered by own question - I;m looking at a bug in the autofs startup
[10:38] <jodh> jamespage: ok. I've raised bug 962047 as wait-for-state needs to be documented both in a man page and the cookbook IMHO.
[10:38] <jamespage> jodh, I think by default wait-for-state waits for the 'started' event - which stops autofs restart if ypbind is installed and already running
[10:39] <jamespage> I think that if I target WAIT_STATE=running that should do the trick
[10:39] <freaky_> hi, i'm upgrading 8.04 lts to 10.04 lts (do-release-upgrade). It's near the end I think, it just restarted PowerDNS and now nothing is happening... haven't seen output in 10 mins or something any ideas?
[11:06] <uksysadmin> hello all
[11:07] <uksysadmin> I've just been in a meeting with some of our folks over RabbitMQ HA options... what is the best resource, person to have a chat to pick the brains on what we want to achieve?
[11:07]  * koolhead11 points uksysadmin to lynxman :P
[11:08]  * lynxman feels pointed at
[11:08]  * uksysadmin will get one of our guys to ping lynxman if he doesn't mind...
[11:09] <lynxman> uksysadmin: it's fine :)
[11:09] <uksysadmin> lynxman: best coming from them on what they want to set up, what they have setup and what challenges they came up against.
[11:09] <uksysadmin> they're not on irc atm, but I'll send them you're way when they are.
[11:10] <koolhead11> uksysadmin: BTW lynxman is in UK too.
[11:10]  * koolhead11 hides
[11:11] <uksysadmin> lol
[11:11] <uksysadmin> helps with timezones :)
[11:12] <lynxman> uksysadmin: it does ;)
[11:13]  * koolhead11 needs extra beer from lynxman when he meets 4 that
[11:19] <aljosa> anybody knows if there is a deb package for java 1.5 sdk available somewhere that can be used on ubuntu 12.04?
[11:20] <freaky_> is there any way to prevent apparmor from returning? Just ran a apt-get dist-upgrade and in reinstalled (and started) apparmor
[11:20] <freaky_> apparmor screws plesk over badly unfortunately
[12:08] <thevinci> I HATE BROADCOM DRIVERS!
[12:08] <thevinci> Can anyone help me figure out hoe to get my ubuntu server laptop connected to the wireless internet?
[12:09] <ikonia> thevinci: checkout the desktop guide, the process is the same
[12:09] <thevinci> from command line?
[12:10] <thevinci> I installed b43-fwcutter from the desktop cd
[12:10] <thevinci> but it's saying i need other firmware drivers that i can't find anywhere...
[12:18] <Daviey> uksysadmin: Glad to hear things are working out for you :)
[12:18] <Daviey> uksysadmin: I think some of the frustrations you have been feeling has been lack of doc's, meaning that often the wrong this has been done by the end user.
[12:18] <Daviey> Hopefully, by release - this will be easier.
[12:18] <ednolivers> hey all. does anyone know the recommended approach to upgrading apache in 10.04 LTS? i thought there'd be a backport but i can't find one
[12:19] <uksysadmin> Daviey: I think so too
[12:19] <uksysadmin> keystone -> redux didn't help
[12:21] <Daviey> uksysadmin: no.. that was more painful than we hoped.
[12:21] <Daviey> uksysadmin: It's so easy to go down ratholes with this :/
[12:21] <uksysadmin> Daviey: indeed!
[12:22] <uksysadmin> BUT - the upshot - OpenStack is alive and kicking on 12.04 - that's some achievement.
[12:22] <Daviey> uksysadmin: Great job!
[12:22] <Daviey> uksysadmin: What is your install method?
[12:23] <uksysadmin> closing eyes and praying
[12:23] <uksysadmin> ;-)
[12:24] <uksysadmin> at the mo - scripted apt-get installation
[12:24] <uksysadmin> hoping to get some Canonical love though for when we do this for real though
[12:24] <Daviey> uksysadmin: sounds great :)
[12:25] <Daviey> uksysadmin: Have you documented your workflow?
[12:26] <uksysadmin> if I was a developer, I'd say yes ;-) ... its work in progress
[12:26]  * uksysadmin goes to get free pizza
[12:27] <Daviey> uksysadmin: Can i have free pizza?
[12:28] <zul> Daviey: i saw the keystone ftbfs this morning once of the requirements is to have a working MIR however in order to test the keystone that failed you need to have swift installed and there is a fix for it proposed but it uses a git checkout to get swift
[12:28] <Daviey> zul: linky?
[12:29] <Daviey> to the MP
[12:29] <zul> just a sec
[12:29] <zul> https://review.openstack.org/#change,5595
[12:57] <smoser> kirkland, around ?
[12:58] <smoser> lynxman, ?
[13:02] <smoser> lynxman, well, when you see this..
[13:02] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~orchestra/orchestra/trunk/revision/61
[13:02] <smoser> that seems like you added the rsyslog stuff.
[13:02] <smoser> and i'm trying to move it to maas
[13:16] <zul> Daviey: so you dont like the polling?
[13:19] <Daviey> zul: if poll doesn't scale to the regularity of the baud of the serial console being reasonabnle to fill up the disk :)
[13:19] <Daviey> OTP btw
[13:19] <zul> Daviey: k so daemon then?
[13:20] <Daviey> smoser: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~orchestra/orchestra/trunk/revision/61/monitoring-server/etc/rsyslog.d/99-orchestra.conf <-- dump to disk
[13:20] <smoser> Daviey, yes, i just had some questoins about that.
[13:20] <smoser> i'm thinking i'm not going to bother with gnutls at the moment.
[13:20] <smoser> its boot logging only
[13:20] <Daviey> smoser: agreed
[13:20] <smoser> so, mark this place in your irc history
[13:20] <smoser> so you can come back and blame me
[13:20] <smoser> :)
[13:20] <Daviey> :D
[13:21] <smoser> the thing htat sucks here.
[13:21] <smoser> i think we're baically going to open up a udb listening rsyslog server
[13:21] <smoser> udp
[13:21] <smoser> that will log whatever traffic anyone wants
[13:22] <smoser> and fill /var/log appropriately
[13:23] <Daviey> smoser: notice the paths?
[13:23] <Daviey> different files for each node
[13:23] <smoser> so?
[13:24] <smoser> different files for each attacker?
[13:24] <smoser> well thats convieneint
[13:24] <Daviey> smoser: make sure it's not dependant on hostname.. as it can chane easily.
[13:24] <Daviey> change*
[13:24] <Daviey> smoser: just pointing it out
[13:24] <smoser> not dependant on hostname ?
[13:24] <smoser> why?
[13:24] <smoser> its useful
[13:24] <smoser> i was just putting everything into
[13:24] <smoser>  /var/log/maas/rsyslog/OSTNAME%/%$YEAR%/%$MONTH%/%$DAY%/messages
[13:25] <smoser> (no need to separate, i dont think)
[13:27] <smoser> so this is what i've got right now
[13:27] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/895081/
[13:28] <Daviey> smoser: HOSTNAME isn't stable
[13:28] <zul> i dont like the hostname/$year/$month/$day/meesages
[13:28] <Daviey> there needs to be another metric
[13:28] <smoser> why?
[13:28] <Daviey> smoser: it can change too easily..
[13:28] <smoser> so?
[13:28] <smoser> are you trying to be safe against an attack ?
[13:29] <Daviey> smoser: i'd rather it used the UUID :)
[13:29] <Daviey> smoser: no, just consistent logging locations for each node
[13:29] <Daviey> sorry for being sparse, OTP
[13:30] <smoser> http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/property_replacer.html
[13:30] <smoser> thats what we can use
[13:30] <smoser> without modifying the syslog support in the installer to read a kernel parameter that is passed (UUID)
[13:31] <smoser> maybe fromhost-ip ?
[13:34] <Daviey> smoser: UUID is certainly more interesting.. but right.. do what you think is best :)
[13:34] <smoser> uuid is also a helluva lot more difficult to find
[13:35] <smoser> oh look, host 972035b7-f428-4127-8f0c-582d948c6a79 logged a message
[13:35] <smoser> let me go to that host
[13:37] <lynxman> smoser: around!
[13:37] <smoser> well, see my pastebin above.
[13:38] <smoser> do you think that is a sane rsyslog config ?
[13:38] <lynxman> smoser: yeah, rsyslog according to the MaaS design (let me know if somehting has changed) should only be installer logs
[13:38] <lynxman> Daviey: we're still set on that right?
[13:38] <Daviey> yes please, for now.
[13:38] <smoser> lynxman, that is correct.
[13:39] <lynxman> smoser: it looks like a sane rsyslog conf
[13:39] <lynxman> smoser: although messages will filter, you still need something else
[13:39] <smoser> k.
[13:39] <smoser> curious
[13:39] <lynxman> smoser: *looks around*
[13:39] <smoser> why are there 2 ?
[13:40] <smoser> why did orchesta logging server have 2 configs
[13:40] <Daviey> install time, and long term.
[13:40] <Daviey> ?
[13:41] <lynxman> smoser: it has one per client and one to the server, we didn't fully cover install time
[13:41] <lynxman> smoser, Daviey: We just need to know the install time channel and divide that into local and not local, then filter it from the rest, should do
[13:43] <lynxman> smoser: otherwise any message to let's say user.* will go both to local and remote file locatios, the filter is not exclusive and needs to be explicitly filtered out
[13:43] <lynxman> smoser: I'll be around in case I can be of help :)
[13:43] <smoser> lynxman, right now, boot logs go both places
[13:43] <smoser> in orchestra
[13:43] <smoser> they go to syslog and to the remote
[13:43] <smoser> were you saying that was not intended ?
[13:43] <smoser> anyone want to test something for me and maybe open a bug ?
[13:44] <lynxman> smoser: that was not intended indeed :)
[13:44] <smoser> i am under the impression that virtio net and possibly virtio disk are considerably slower in the guest
[13:44] <smoser> in precise compared to lucid
[13:44] <lynxman> smoser: can do later today, right now I'm heads down doing a juju openstack install
[13:44] <smoser> i would like someone to (with precise host) boot kvm guests of both and prove me wrong or right.
[13:45] <lynxman> smoser: could do :)
[13:45] <lynxman> smoser: as soon as I got this hammered I'll be glad to
[13:45] <smoser> (on canonistack, it seems to me that i can hit almost 50M/s writing to /dev/null in lucid, but only half that or worse  in precise)
[13:46] <smoser> lynxman, http://paste.ubuntu.com/895099/
[13:46] <smoser> that is how you stop messages from going to the default location
[13:48] <smb> hallyn, So it seems bug 929626 which I thought was virt-manager might actually be a libvirt issue. mdeslaur found a rh bugilla with a good lead: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=746007
[13:50] <smb> hallyn, Would you know better which area needs inspection when an acquired object seems not to get certain updates?
[13:56] <lynxman> smoser: I know, the difference is that you have messages coming from the same syslog channels, so you need to define both remote and local and then filter out :)
[13:57] <smoser> lynxman, so you're syaing that the same does not work ?
[13:58] <smoser> i just assumed i could put the & ~ after the last matching condition
[13:58] <smoser> and it would drop it
[13:58] <smoser> basically i though "& ~" meant "drop this message if the last condition was true"
[13:58] <smoser> so...
[13:58] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/895109/
[14:00] <lynxman> smoser: as far as I know you're dropping the channel, although that is a filtering rule...
[14:01] <lynxman> smoser: let's try that and see how it goes :)
[14:24] <jamespage> ttx: around - have a question about milestone-proposed branches for https://github.com/openstack/*
[14:24] <ttx> jamespage: yes
[14:24] <jamespage> ttx: coolio
[14:25] <jamespage> ttx: so we have had a few issues in the Ubuntu OpenStack CI lab with FOLSOM opening for dev - most of which we have resolved by switching to the milestone-proposed branch
[14:26] <jamespage> I just wanted to understand what the Openstack approach to master/milestone-proposed branches was between now and release so I can update the test configurations correctly
[14:26] <ttx> So the RCs will be generated in the milestone-proposed branches
[14:26] <ttx> at release time we'll cut stable/essex branches
[14:26] <ttx> and hand them to stable maintenance team
[14:27] <jamespage> ttx: OK - that was what I expect to happen.
[14:27] <ttx> the trick is everyone is not using mliestone-proposed branches yet
[14:27] <ttx> since keystone is not RC1 yet
[14:27] <jamespage> ttx: so I noticed
[14:27] <ttx> so you should actually use "milestone-proposed and master if not"
[14:27] <jamespage> ttx: OK - thats what we have been doing
[14:28] <ttx> I hope keystone will be RC1 today
[14:28] <jamespage> ttx: https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/branches is giving us a few issues as folsom has opened but no milestone-proposed?
[14:28] <jamespage> does this apply to core projects only or all projects?
[14:29] <ttx> hmmm
[14:29] <ttx> there should be one
[14:30] <ttx> https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/tree/milestone-proposed
[14:30] <ttx> and there is ^
[14:30] <ttx> it wasn't committed to, though
[14:30] <ttx> since novaclient didn't need Final=True pushed to it
[14:30] <ttx> so maybe it didn't trigger on your side
[14:32] <jamespage> ttx: hmm - showing my lack of git knowledge now - thanks for pointing that out
[14:35] <jamespage> ttx: OK - think I'm all set now -thanks for the advice (see you in a couple of weeks!)
[14:36] <ttx> np, see ya
[14:38] <MRCracker2> hi all, my ssh speed is too low how i can speed it up?
[14:53] <MRCracker2> not any idea?
[15:23] <Matrix3000> need help, this nfs mount in my fstab is causing boot to hang
[15:23] <Matrix3000> how can i make it timeout the nfs mount and continue booting in like 20 seconds
[15:23] <Matrix3000> or something instead of it just perm hanging
[15:24] <ikonia> why not make it an auto mount map
[15:24] <ikonia> why is it hanging ? why can't it mount at boot time ?
[15:24] <Matrix3000> cause, its offline right now
[15:24] <Matrix3000> lol
[15:25] <Matrix3000> it's an nfs mount that is under maintenance at the moment and it's not an essential mount
[15:25] <Matrix3000> just gives us some extra files
[15:25] <ikonia> stick an automount map in
[15:25] <Matrix3000> let me look that up
[15:25] <Matrix3000> cause i don't know where automap is
[15:26] <ikonia> have a dig on "NFS automount map"
[15:26] <ikonia> you'll get some idea of how to do it,
[15:26] <ikonia> if you get stuck ask
[15:32] <Matrix3000> but you are saying using autofs will prevent a boot hang when the system cant connect to the nfs mount?
[15:32] <Matrix3000> nfs share I mean
[15:33] <ikonia> Matrix3000: yes, as it doesn't mount it untilt it's called eg: something needs/wants it
[15:33] <Matrix3000> ok
[15:33] <Kiall> ikonia, cant you just add the "nobootwait" flag to the fstab line?
[15:34] <Kiall> ikonia / Matrix3000: http://askubuntu.com/questions/120/how-do-i-avoid-the-s-to-skip-message-on-boot
[15:35] <Matrix3000> that actually looks like an easier sollution as apache does use files on that mount
[15:35] <Matrix3000> for one of the sites
[15:35] <Matrix3000> but that site is down right now as expected
[15:38] <ikonia> Kiall: that would work too, good call
[15:42] <Kiall> ikonia, Yea, when you use EC2, you learn about that option pretty quick ;)
[15:42] <Kiall> There's no console to press the 'S' for Skip etc
[15:43] <ikonia> it's a good suggestion, didn't think of it at all
[15:45] <Matrix3000> lol
[15:45] <Matrix3000> that would be terrible
[15:45] <Matrix3000> that's why i am not fan of ec2
[15:45] <Matrix3000> but, EC2 is affordable and works for the most part
[15:46] <Matrix3000> wish it was like vCloud
[16:11] <tolland> any idea why this request to httpd is waiting 20 secs to return;
[16:11] <tolland> http://pastebin.com/N3xq8SWg
[16:11] <tolland> (cross posted sorry, ignore the other one)
[16:11] <Decepticon> hi people
[16:11] <Decepticon> good day
[16:12] <Decepticon> I have ubuntu serve of 10.04 but i have problem with my sqladmin
[16:12] <Decepticon> this is error: #2003 Cannot log in to the MySQL server
[16:12] <Decepticon> but i have user and password fine!
[16:13] <Decepticon> please help me please!!!...
[16:14] <Decepticon> hi people!
[16:18] <tolland> Decepticon: i would start by resetting the user/pass http://is.gd/7kL2vj
[16:19] <Decepticon> tolland: ok! i´m check this
[16:19] <Decepticon> thanks
[16:19] <tolland> you can use the show grants command once you have either reset the admin user, or dropped grants
[16:20] <tolland> to see what the server thinks of your user/pass
[16:20] <Decepticon> tolland:  you are the maximun
[16:20] <Decepticon> thanks thanks
[16:20] <Decepticon> wueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[16:20] <Decepticon> thank you brother
[16:20] <Decepticon> jejejee ,)
[16:21] <Decepticon> i´m configure a server ubuntu 10.04 for my job
[16:21] <Decepticon> thanks
[16:23] <tolland> Decepticon: there is also a pretty good #mysql channel which might be more appropriate for service specific questions... there is a lot of mysql server admin types there
[16:26] <brendand> are there any known issues with running apport-collect on ubuntu-server?
[16:27] <Decepticon> tuxbin:  thanks of, only mysql
[16:50] <tjaalton> hallyn: hey, there's a new xserver-xorg-video-qxl on debian, do you think it would make sense to have in precise?
[16:50] <tjaalton> 0.0.17
[16:52] <adam_g> zul: jamespage Daviey so keystone's test suite is not going to pass unless we patch swift and carry additional patches to test suites that use it, AFAICS
[16:52] <jamespage> adam_g, grrr
[16:53] <zul> the swift /dev/log stuff?
[16:53] <adam_g> or, alternatively, we can try to disable the swift related keystone tests, which look more like integration tests than unit tests
[16:53] <adam_g> zul: yeah
[16:53] <zul> adam_g:  im in favor of disabling those tests
[16:53] <adam_g> we probably would have come across this a while ago if swift's tests were enabled
[16:55] <adam_g> zul: im sure we all are, but what about the requirements of the MIR?
[16:55] <zul> adam_g: well we can add it to the ubuntu-qa testsuite probably
[16:55] <zul> jdstrand: ^^^
[16:58] <adam_g> zul: well, we are running the entire test suite (swift stuff included) already when we package
[16:58] <adam_g> i was able to get those to actually pass on our builds yesterday
[16:59] <zul> adam_g: right i mean disabling the tests in the build and add the tests to the ubuntu-qa testsuite
[17:00] <zul> adam_g: getting swift and keystone working in a buildd is not pratical imho
[17:00] <hallyn> tjaalton: that might fix an open bug, sounds good.  i'm out today though
[17:08] <jdstrand> zul: which mir are you referring to?
[17:08] <zul> jdstrand: keystone
[17:08] <jdstrand> zul: what about it?
[17:09] <jdstrand> I did the mir and it has a conditional ack
[17:09] <jdstrand> see 'Requirements for main inclusion' in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/keystone/+bug/881464/comments/15
[17:10] <zul> jdstrand: the testsuite does alot of integration tests for keystone, which is good, however the testsuite uses git to fetch swift and sets it up for you, however running testsuite in keystone during the buildd to make it past is not pratical
[17:10] <zul> s/past/pass/g
[17:10] <jdstrand> zul: can you comment on that in the bug?
[17:10] <zul> jdstrand: of course
[17:11] <jdstrand> zul: so the 139 of the 266 test cases are all a result of swift?
[17:11] <jdstrand> that is more than half
[17:12] <zul> jdstrand: no the keystoneclient tests have been disabled as well becuase of the git usage as well
[17:13] <jdstrand> zul: what is it pulling in? why can't the tests be updated to point at packages that are in ubuntu rather than fetching via git?
[17:13] <jdstrand> zul: the testsuite is basically invalid otherwise because git will move to bigger and better things but the keystone testsuite will stay static in the archive
[17:13] <zul> jdstrand: we tried patching it upstream but they have rejected it
[17:14] <zul> jdstrand: agreed
[17:14] <jdstrand> zul: right, but can we carry an ubuntu delta? we only really care that the testsuite for a specific version in ubuntu works with a specific version of other packages in ubuntu
[17:15] <zul> jdstrand: yeah we can carry the delta
[17:15] <tjaalton> hallyn: ok, maybe I'll skip the sync and wait for you to test it first :)
[17:17] <jdstrand> zul: if the tests are worthless, then we can drop it. however, they seem to be worthwhile
[17:18] <jdstrand> zul: please comment in the bug and I will respond with alternatives
[17:18] <zul> jdstrand: ack
[17:18] <jdstrand> zul: thanks for bringing it up
[17:18] <zul> jdstrand: thanks for discussing it
[17:20] <hallyn> tjaalton: sounds good.  pls email or ping me tomorrow?
[17:21] <tjaalton> hallyn: sure
[17:47] <zul> lovely..
[17:47] <zul> Daviey/adam_g: looks like swift likes to use eventlet-0.9.15
[17:57] <Daviey> zul: Golly.. can you investigate ?
[17:58] <zul> Daviey: looking
[18:09] <smoser> lynxman, so i think i know why logging goes to syslog
[18:12] <smoser> it already goes there before your ocnfig can stop it
[18:12] <smoser> as your config runs after 50
[18:12] <smoser> (50-default.conf)
[18:49] <zul> Daviey: i just run the swift excercises from devstack i dont see anything wrong from the tests, im waiting for more info about that bug
[18:56] <adam_g> zul: on precise?
[18:56] <zul> adam_g: yes
[18:57] <adam_g> zul: what about the swift-bench utility that was run to produce the bug?
[18:57] <zul> adam_g: they havent provided any more info on how to reproduce it
[18:59] <Daviey> zul: ugreat!
[19:00] <adam_g> zul: i think you should have everything you need to run swift-bench in openrc
[19:01] <zul> adam_g: you sure?
[19:01] <adam_g> zul: not certain, but swift-bench -h shows a config file that needs only the keystone endpoint and credentials
[19:01] <adam_g> er, s/keystone/swift
[19:20] <zul> adam_g: got it working havent been able to reproduce it so it might be smething with the guy's config
[22:05] <eb_> I'm trying Orchestra and Juju but with juju bootsrap
[22:06] <eb_> I'm trying Orchestra and Juju but juju bootstrap return an error
[22:07] <eb_> The error is "error: Environments configuration error: /home/localadmin/.juju/environments.yaml: environments.orchestra.acquired-mgmt-class: required value not found"
[22:23] <Daviey> SpamapS: Plans to backport apache 2.4.1 to precise-backports?
[22:23] <SpamapS> Daviey: would love to!
[22:24] <Daviey> SpamapS: gonna happen? :)
[22:24] <Daviey> SpamapS: Didn't you have one knocking around in a PPA?
[22:24] <SpamapS> No
[22:25] <SpamapS> I'm not sure its worth it
[22:25] <SpamapS> 2.2 .. 2.4 .. its still just apache
[22:28] <meerkats> where did the offtopic room go?
[22:29] <Daviey> SpamapS: How is PHP looking?
[22:30] <SpamapS> Daviey: about to start driving nails into 5.4's coffin
[22:30] <ajmitch> still no suhosin patch on the horizon?
[22:31] <SpamapS> nope
[22:36] <adam_g> Daviey: IN: glance, quantum, swift (assuming 1.4.7), horizon. NOT IN: keystone (rc not released yet), nova (in queue), melange
[22:38] <Daviey> adam_g: okay!  thanks for the update.. do we have an ETA on keystone upstream RC?
[22:38] <adam_g> Daviey: i think theres just one bug still in progress with a review in gerrit
[22:39] <Daviey> adam_g: great!
[22:59] <arosales> adam_g: for the blueprint Implementation status for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-openstack-testing seems it should at least be marked at least with "Good Progress" your thoughts?
[23:00] <adam_g> arosales: oh, ya.  the only TODO will hopefully be DONE after ODS.
[23:01] <adam_g> arosales: the INPROGRESS regarding the stress tests is  misleading now, i guess. ive been working with the upstream on getting a new stress test suite working nicely and implementing it on our openstack CI
[23:02] <arosales> adam_g: "deployment" might also be fitting then.
[23:02] <adam_g> arosales: not so much a porting effort anymore. should i postpone/defer or just change the wording?
[23:03] <arosales> adam_g: If you still will get to it this cycle you can leave the remaining to do as is, perhaps just update the "Implementation" status to something other than "Unknown"
[23:04] <adam_g> arosales: will do, for sure
[23:04] <arosales> adam_g: thanks
[23:07] <adam_g> arosales: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-openstack-charms  this one needs a bit more TLC, but honestly im not sure how much of those TODOs will be done this cycle.  note that none are really tied to the release schedule
[23:07] <arosales> adam_g: tough to work on the charms with the packages being in such flux
[23:08] <arosales> we'll revisit all the "postponed" work items for the next cycle too, so those items don't get forgotten
[23:09] <arosales> adam_g: If your pretty sure they are not going to happen this cycle then might as well postpone, kind of odd since they are not tied to the release
[23:11] <arosales> we can pick them up next cycle, at least for work item tracking ;-)
[23:18] <fluvvell> are people generally more in favour of virtual machines using vmware, or kvm. ( it will be a windows vm)
[23:18] <adam_g> arosales: ok cool. yeah, they're really wishlist features for current juju charms, which can be added anytime really
[23:25] <arosales> adam_g: thank for the updates
[23:34] <_johnny> hi, i'm trying to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10. network and cd (alternate) both give me the following halt: The package 'update-manager-core' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist.
[23:34] <_johnny> any ideas as to what i'm doing wrong?
[23:48] <tarvid> !iptables
[23:49] <pukeko> howdy
[23:50] <tarvid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo#Logging is short about logging explicitly dropped packets
[23:50] <tarvid> can I add a "log" option to a rule?
[23:53] <pukeko> tarvid: setup a new rule and if the packets met certain requirments jump to that rule and log
[23:54] <tarvid> thanks pukeko , I've been under attack for weeks
[23:54] <tarvid> finally came with a firewall that works
[23:54] <tarvid> just curious who the culprits are
[23:55] <pukeko> hey.. i need to "sync" two samba servers one is offline but needs to be available if the other one dies..
[23:56] <pukeko> what else do i need to sync apart from /etc/group /etc/passwd /etc/samba /var/lib/samba ?
[23:56] <pukeko> * and the data of course
[23:58] <pukeko> tarvid: i used to do it via the interfaces.. if it came in / or out of and matched - then jump to a ruleset
[23:58] <tarvid> basically I just want to drop the sh*t
[23:59] <pukeko> but that could get a bit hard on the brain - when monitoring both out going and incomming over 3 or more interfaces
[23:59] <tarvid> only two
[23:59] <tarvid> someone or someones were sucking me dry


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[07:01] <darpa_droid> hi everyone
[07:02] <darpa_droid> I've got following message when uploading package to my ppa:
[07:02] <darpa_droid> Rejected:
[07:02] <darpa_droid> File daq_2.0.4-3ubuntu1~trusty.debian.tar.gz already exists in Stable, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors.
[07:02] <darpa_droid> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[07:03] <darpa_droid> In the solution saying: downloading the pristine original tarball from the location pointed in the rejection message;
[07:07] <darpa_droid> But :
[07:07] <darpa_droid> 1. There is no location pointed to tarball in the message
[07:07] <darpa_droid> 2. Even more there is no the tarball (package) at all
[07:07] <darpa_droid> How I can fix the problem?
[07:12] <wgrant> darpa_droid: 1) Visit the PPA's page on launchpad.net.
[07:12] <wgrant> 2) I don't understand what you mean.
[07:13] <wgrant> Oh, but that's not an orig.tar.gz, so that won't help you much.
[07:13] <wgrant> darpa_droid: You need to change the package version. You can't upload two different packages with the same version.
[07:17] <darpa_droid> > 2) I don't understand what you mean. I have been wanted to say that I deleted the package from my ppa yesyterday
[07:17] <darpa_droid> And sorry for my bad English
[07:17] <darpa_droid> =)
[07:17] <wgrant> darpa_droid: Even if you've deleted the old one, you still need to change the version.
[07:18] <darpa_droid> ооhh thanks wgrant
[09:25] <opatry> hi all
[09:25] <opatry> I tried to create a "test" project within launchpad using :
[09:25] <opatry> https://launchpad.net/projects/+new
[09:25] <opatry> and the "Oh, I want to create a test project" button
[09:25] <opatry> which redirect me to https://staging.launchpad.net/?
[09:26] <opatry> and the error message tell me to retry (which I did) or tell you there is something wrong (which I'm currently doing)
[09:26] <opatry> the whole staging launchpad seems to be broken


[00:15] <LinDol> hi all
[01:21] <darkxst> hi LinDol
[01:25] <LinDol> darkxst, good morning :)
[01:26] <darkxst> hangover morning, not good!
[01:27] <LinDol> I am sorry. Did you have any problem last night?
[01:28] <darkxst> no only problem was cocktails thrown into the mix!
[01:28] <darkxst> was a friends 50th birthday party
[01:31] <LinDol> haha :) It was good, becuase I think some alcohol is needed in party :)
[01:32] <LinDol> but I pray you to be good for you :)
[01:37] <darkxst> LinDol, thanks, I will survive ;)
[01:37] <darkxst> off to get lunch now
[01:37] <LinDol> haha also I am tired too, because I went to Seoul lastnight :)
[01:37] <LinDol> oh
[01:37] <LinDol> have a great launch :>
[10:27] <MaverickPT> Hello
[10:27] <MaverickPT> Installed a fresh copy of Ubuntu Gnome 15.10 but getting errors and crashes
[15:39] <woodchip> hi all, really enjoying 15.10, do have some gtk crashes with the quadro K620 anybody else? running the nvidia driver


 I'm a 20 year old geek that uses Linux.
[00:02] <Flare183> I've been the team leader for a while, and due to some real life stuff, I haven't been able to really do much with the team.
[00:02] <Flare183> This has changed. And I would like to get this team up and running again.
[00:03] <Flare183> Now, enough about me. Who's next? Or do you guys have any questions?
[00:04] <Flare183> akgraner: Ping?
[00:04] <pla> I am Patrick L Archiald (PLA). I use Ubuntu at home and at work. I am a MythTV fan. This is my first Ubuntu SC meeting. Just checking it out.
[00:04] <Flare183> pla: Well, its nice to have you here, I'm happy to see you here.
[00:04] <Weudel> I'm Jon, aka Weudel,  I work in Communications for the railroad.    I am running Ubuntu Studio 11.10....
[00:05] <Flare183> Awesome :D
[00:05] <Weudel> and Chrome OS
[00:05] <Flare183> Anyone else?
[00:06] <Weudel> Stones?
[00:06] <Flare183> scatteredstones?
[00:06] <scatteredstones> I'm Bob, aka, scatteredstones. basically just a Ubuntu user for a few years. no expert.  running 11.10
[00:07] <scatteredstones> not sure what i can do for the loco, but i  look forward to making some contribution
[00:07] <pla> Is http://www.ubuntusc.com/ supposed to be the group's website? I had the RSS feed for it in my reader. Looks like only some French postings as of late.
[00:07] <Flare183> pla: Nope, its a placeholder
[00:07] <pla> k
[00:07] <Flare183> and we're not going to be using that site for much longer
[00:07] <Flare183> its going to be ubuntu-sc.org
[00:07] <Flare183> I'm going to be registering soon,
[00:07] <Flare183> and all of the members on the Web team will have access to it
[00:08] <Weudel> nice
[00:08] <Flare183> Alright.
[00:08] <Flare183> Next off.
[00:08] <Flare183> Topic: Where are we at?
[00:09] <Flare183> Well to explain to everyone. This team is DEAD
[00:09] <Flare183> Like you just died om minecraft dead xD
[00:09] <Weudel> right
[00:09] <Flare183> Anyways
[00:09] <jbicha> akgraner is in NC
[00:09] <Flare183> jbicha: yup, I know
[00:10] <Flare183> he's my advisor lol
[00:10] <jbicha> (she)
[00:10] <Flare183> Since I'm so young and such, being a team leader is a bit load bearing
[00:10] <Flare183> Excuse me
[00:10] <Flare183> :x
[00:10] <jbicha> I am a volunteer on the Desktop & Documentation Teams
[00:11] <Flare183> jbicha: We've met I think
[00:11] <Flare183> I'm not sure
[00:11] <jbicha> Flare183: not in person I don't think
[00:11] <Flare183> Nah, in the #ubuntu channel maybe
[00:11] <Flare183> Again, I'm not sure.
[00:11] <Weudel> so, we were in the "we're dead" phase....
[00:11] <Flare183> mhm
[00:11] <jbicha> it was this channel this summer
[00:11] <Flare183> I'm planning fixing that
[00:12] <Flare183> Its time for a change
[00:12] <Flare183> I'm going to planning a Ubuntu Hour in Clemson sometime soon
[00:12] <Flare183> That's later on.
[00:13] <Flare183> If you would like to know what a Ubuntu Hour is, then check out this page: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/17/detail/
[00:13] <Flare183> I think that's the right link
[00:13] <Flare183> Next up: Website
[00:14] <Flare183> Now who would like to be apart of the web team?
[00:14] <Flare183> We're going to be using Drupal
[00:14] <Weudel> No experience with Drupal, but I can give it a shot...
[00:15] <jbicha> I know WP & MediaWiki & run my own website
[00:15] <Flare183> Alright 2 people, anyone else
[00:15] <Flare183> ?
[00:15] <Weudel> I just mess around with WordPress a bit
[00:15] <Flare183> Its the same thing really
[00:15] <jbicha> what domain name?
[00:16] <Flare183> Its not up at the moment
[00:16] <Flare183> But its going to be Ubuntu-sc.org
[00:16] <Weudel> hasn't been purchased yet
[00:16] <Flare183> Exactly
[00:17] <Flare183> Moving on. Lastly, activity.
[00:17] <Flare183> What can we do, to boost activity in and around this team?
[00:17] <Flare183> And what can we do to spread Ubuntu's "Love"?
[00:18] <Weudel> Do we have CDs or anything we could hand out at the Tech After 5s and similar events?
[00:18] <Flare183> Yes, we can order massive packets of CD's
[00:18] <Flare183> and I ship them to you if you like.
[00:18] <Weudel> I could man the Greenville one.
[00:18] <Flare183> Alright, sounds great.
[00:18] <Flare183> Anyone else?
[00:18] <Weudel> What areas are we all in?
[00:19] <scatteredstones> Charleston
[00:19] <Flare183> I live in Oconee County
[00:19] <Weudel> I'm in Easley.
[00:19] <Flare183> And I goto college at Tri-County tech
[00:19] <pla> Goose Creek which is near Charleston SC
[00:19] <Weudel> Stones... could you go to Tech After 5 in Charleston and hand out some CDs and answer basic questions about how you like Ubuntu?
[00:20] <scatteredstones> i could try. haven't been to one before.
[00:21] <Weudel> looks like the next one's November 15th
[00:21]  * Flare183 is glad to see people talking about this finally :3
[00:21] <Weudel> http://techafterfive.com/ta5/charleston-sc/
[00:21] <scatteredstones> cool. thanks'
[00:22] <Weudel> and Greenville's on the 16th.
[00:23] <Weudel> Doesn't look like they've announced where SELF will be held next year, but Greenville was one of the options, so we will have to keep that in the back of our minds
[00:24] <Weudel> Anyone else know of any tech events we could get to?
[00:24] <pla> Last I heard SELF was going to be in Charlotte.
[00:24] <Flare183> I SHOULD be able to goto SELF this year
[00:24] <Flare183> derp
[00:24] <Flare183> not if its held there
[00:24] <Flare183> Also
[00:24] <Flare183> The robotics events
[00:24] <Weudel> @ Clemson?
[00:24] <Flare183> If you guys have any interest in seeing them, let me know we will go there together if you like
[00:24] <Flare183> Yes
[00:25] <Flare183> and Columbia
[00:25] <Flare183> maybe FL if possible
[00:25] <Weudel> FL has an awesome LoCo that can take care of themselves :D
[00:25] <Flare183> xD
[00:25] <Flare183> Weudel: I've been talking to them :P
[00:26] <jbicha> posscon dates are finalized, March 28-30
[00:26] <Flare183> oh?
[00:26] <Flare183> hmmm
[00:26] <Flare183> well
[00:27] <jbicha> speakers aren't final yet
[00:27] <Flare183> You guys don't mind me being the team leader? (just wondering, since I'm so young :<)
[00:28] <jbicha> don't worry about age
[00:28] <scatteredstones> not at all.
[00:28] <Weudel> bring the energy and we'll try to figure out the logistics :D
[00:28] <Flare183> hehe Alright, awesome
[00:28] <Weudel> at this point we just need to do SOMETHING
[00:29] <Flare183> Weudel: I agree
[00:29] <Weudel> so, when are you looking at starting the Ubuntu hours?
[00:30] <Flare183> sometime around 12:00EDT at Clemson
[00:30] <Flare183> In the hendrix center
[00:30] <Flare183> (Clemson University)
[00:30] <Weudel> when, as in how soon/what days...
[00:31] <Flare183> Not sure yet
[00:31] <Flare183> I have a busy schedule to to working at a dinging hall and going to tech
[00:32] <Weudel> okay... I could probably do a Saturday in Clemson here or there, but might have kids in tow
[00:32] <jbicha> do the kids like open source?
[00:32] <Flare183> That's understable
[00:32] <Flare183> xD
[00:32] <Weudel> my 8 yr old wears here Ubuntu Developers Conf shirt I snagged her at SELF with pride.
[00:33] <Flare183> Nice!
[00:33] <Weudel> and runs Windows 7 on her netbook :/
[00:33] <Flare183> That's sad tho :<
[00:34] <Weudel> once they get Netflix to work on Linux I'll be able to convert her
[00:34] <Flare183> Wine..
[00:34] <Weudel> what? IE in WINE?
[00:35] <Flare183> No
[00:35] <Flare183> the Netflix program :P
[00:35] <Weudel> indeed
[00:36] <Weudel> Anyway, is the 15th (Charleston) and 16th (Greenville) of next month doable with CDs?
[00:36] <Flare183> I should be able to yes
[00:36] <Flare183> Just PM me your address
[00:36] <Flare183> and I'll do my best to ship them :3
[00:37] <jbicha> Flare183: are you buying them from Canonical or making them?
[00:37] <Weudel> if you plan on doing something in Clemson before then I could probably just grab them in person...
[00:37] <Flare183> jbicha: No, LoCo teams get BATCHES of CD's for free
[00:37] <Flare183> Like I'm talking 20+ CD's
[00:38] <Weudel> yeh, and guitar picks and other stuff, too
[00:39] <Flare183> xD
[00:39] <Flare183> They don't offer that :P
[00:39] <Weudel> oh well
[00:39] <jbicha> did you get the giant Ubuntu banner too?
[00:40] <Flare183> hehe yyup
[00:40] <Flare183> -y
[00:40] <jbicha> lol, if I had it, I might hang it on my porch or something :)
[00:41] <Weudel> Stones... send your address to Flare183 on the forums so he can get you some CDs
[00:41] <scatteredstones> will do
[00:41] <Weudel> and I'll do the same.
[00:41] <Flare183> Alright sweet
[00:42] <Flare183> jbicha: I could do that :p
[00:42] <Weudel> Anyoone want to go to Ta5 in Columbia?
[00:42] <Flare183> What's that? o_o
[00:42] <Weudel> Tech After 5
[00:43] <Flare183> ah
[00:43] <Weudel> guess not...
[00:43] <jbicha> Weudel: I'll try to be there
[00:44] <Weudel> looks like that's November 9th...
[00:44] <Weudel> send your address and we'll see if Jesse can get those CDs to you, too
[00:45] <Weudel> so, anything else?
[00:46] <Weudel> hello?
[00:48] <Weudel> y'all still here?
[00:48] <scatteredstones> ya
[00:49] <Weudel> @Flare183: you got anything else?
[00:52] <Flare183> I'm here
[00:52] <Flare183> hehe
[00:52] <Flare183> That's about it
[00:53] <Weudel> do we want to plan the next meeting?
[00:53] <Flare183> Weudel: Last Wed. of every month
[00:54] <Weudel> cool.... I'll work on some sort of flyer we can give out to people, and post places.
[00:54] <Flare183> Sweet man :)
[00:55] <Weudel> laterz
[00:59] <scatteredstones> i will chat with y'all later. glad the team is coming back to life.