[00:06] <krowv> If I do an install with the alternate cd does it leave a preseed file somewhere on the target filesystem showing the options I selected?  Lets say I want to install a system, record the settings, and then replay it.
[00:08] <krowv> think I found it.
[00:08] <krowv> $ debconf-get-selections --installer > file
[08:58] <nosdaemon> Hi. I want to install kde-plasma-desktop in a script. I try "atp-get -y kde-plasma-desktop". But its stops asking for kdm etc. I want to make installation silent :( Any help
[09:10] <infinity> nosdaemon: "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -y install foo" might help.
[09:10] <infinity> nosdaemon: Depending on what is asking questions, you weren't terribly clear.
[09:51] <nosdaemon> Is working :)
[09:55] <nosdaemon> infinity, Thanks :) you maybe know way kickstart cant select nic (em49)? I have multiple interface. I try "d-i netcfg/choose_interface select auto" and "d-i netcfg/choose_interface select em49"
[09:56] <infinity> nosdaemon: Not sure off the top of my head, sorry.
[10:29] <nosdaemon> infinity, Thanks anyway :)
[12:22] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Would you be kind enough to run an update on ubuntu-mate-meta please?
[12:32] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Sure.
[12:52] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Thanks.
[13:14] <cyphermox> nosdaemon: d-i typically sets up networking before the preseed is read, so you might need to pass netcfg/choose_interface=em49 as a kernel parameter, so it's read earlier
[13:25] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Does this incredibly large diff look right to you?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11244826/
[13:58] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Yes. I've completely restructured the seeds. Looks correct.
[13:58] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Alright.  Uploading.
[13:58] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Thanks.
[14:08] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I may want to make some changes to ubuntu-cdimage, last time I did this it was a bit confusing which branch to work against.
[14:09] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Is is lp:ubuntu-cdimage or something else?
[14:17] <infinity> flexiondotorg: That should do, yes.
[14:18] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Actually. I'm wrong. What repo are the isolinux boot screen/theme in?
[14:26] <infinity> flexiondotorg: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu
[14:26] <infinity> flexiondotorg: data/wily
[15:10] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Thanks.


[16:56] <Alex135> _shade_: i am runnig 64bit but i have nvidia drivers working
[16:57] <Alex135> _Shade_: i installed nvidia-glx-new
[16:57] <ForgeAus> now its mscorefonts
[16:57] <ForgeAus> they take ages to install lol
[16:58] <misticwarrior> !pastebin
[16:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[16:58] <Alex135> i g2g, almost time for me to goto studdy hall
[16:58] <Alex135> bye
[17:03] <UnDa> hi
[17:03] <UnDa> any1 there?
[17:03] <SlimeyPete> yes
[17:03] <UnDa> can u help me here >.>
[17:04] <UnDa> i open configure n i get error with
[17:04] <UnDa> libpython2.5.so
[17:05] <SlimeyPete> what error?
[17:05] <UnDa> it says library files for libpython2.5.so not found in path
[17:05] <Obituary> hi you all
[17:05] <UnDa> its a clean version i just installed yesterday n updated :S
[17:05] <UnDa> havnt done anything
[17:06] <UnDa> but its hardy beta 4 i think
[17:06] <Obituary> hi whare are you all fro
[17:06] <ibou> each time i launch kontakt, i have korganizers alarm deamon which is launched too. I don't want it and do not find any option to avoid that. Is there one ?
[17:07] <SlimeyPete> UnDa: that might be the problem. Try asking in #ubuntu+1.
[17:07] <UnDa> k lemme try
[17:07] <UnDa> ubuntu+1? doesnt matter if its kubuntu?
[17:08] <DareDevil_>  can anyone recomend an ircd. i want the most secure and the most stable and with most veriety options and control
[17:08] <SlimeyPete> UnDa: shouldn't matter, no. Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same underneath.
[17:08] <James__> Hello All.. I am new to linux and I am running 7.10 and I think I "broke" my xorg.conf. All I get a login line and it will not load my desktop. I did look in my /ext/X11 directory and I have 5 different xorg.conf files each with a different number after it. What do I do?
[17:09] <SlimeyPete> James__: do a "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" to see the error log
[17:10] <SlimeyPete> maybe that will give you a clue
[17:12] <James__> ok it tells me (WW) The directory "/use/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist. Entry deleted from font path.
[17:12] <James__> is that the cause?
[17:12] <SlimeyPete> probably not, no. Press '/' and type EE then enter. That'll search the file for 'EE' (which indicates a serious error)
[17:13] <SlimeyPete> uppercase EE, note (search is case-sensitive)
[17:15] <lg188> somebody .js knowledge ? (google gadget scripting)
[17:15] <James__> OK I have 3 lines 1st: (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device, 2nd (EE) NV0: Failed to open framebuffer device, 3rd (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a suable configuration.
[17:15] <lg188> bye
[17:16] <James__> at least thats all I can see on the screen if there are other's it scrolled past what I am able to display
[17:16] <SlimeyPete> James__: right, sounds like it's trying to load the wrong driver or is looking for the card in the wrong place.
[17:17] <James__> k
[17:17] <ForgeAus> omg Lynx! now I do feel notsalgic! rofl
[17:18] <ForgeAus> hmmm dillo is pretty much the quickest browser I've ever seen out there!
[17:19] <ForgeAus> of course good luck trying to use Youtube with it rofl
[17:19] <_Shade_> anyone using hardy on a 64 bit box?
[17:20] <James__> So what do I do in order to fix this?
[17:20] <mkz> I'm running kubuntu gutsy and OOo 2.3.0. I'm finding that occasionally when I launch scalc the window opens up in a full screen with no decoration to permit me to resize it.  It's not the same full screen as provided by ctrl-shft-J, as the menu and toolbars are visible, it's just missing the windowframe and title bar.
[17:21] <mkz> has anyone else experienced any issues with OOo 2.3 and kubuntu (with or without Compiz)?
[17:28] <savetheWorld> hi guys- I have gotten used to using apt-get install xxx to install programs.  What do I do to use it to get sources?
[17:30] <mkz> if I'm not mistaken the source packages are usually appended with a -dev... so if you are using apt-get install xxx then you should see if there is an xxx-dev package and use apt-get for this as well...
[17:30] <mkz> someone correct me if I'm wrong
[17:30] <savetheWorld> thanks. I'll take a look
[17:32] <savetheWorld> mkz - well the sources I'm looking for are for bash.  But there is no -dev package for it.  I wonder if its part of the gnu-utils?
[17:32] <mkz> savetheWorld: I couldn't say. sorry.  You may have to find the source for bash on it's website and download it as a tar file.
[17:34] <DareDevil_> is unreal ircd secure and stable as hybrid?
[17:36] <savetheWorld> mkz: Le Gaspe'!
[17:37] <mkz> savetheWorld: qui?
[17:38] <savetheWorld> mkz:  Gasping in a french accent.. :-D
[17:39] <mkz> savetheWorld: that seems to be chic these days (saw it on a forum port just yesterday).  What's the gasp for?  You see the source or are daunted by the tast?
[17:39] <mkz> s/tast/task
[17:39] <savetheWorld> See Pepe' Le'Pue -- Warner bros cartoons
[17:40] <savetheWorld> mkz: you have to be an old geezer or a real cartoon afficianado to remember him
[17:40]  * mkz both old geezer and cartoon nut
[17:41] <MadTony> compared to? most other nin wn users are old geezers in that respect, all the kids care about is games..
[17:42] <mkz> I've just downloaded bash 3.2 from http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/bash/.  It's not so bad
[17:42] <savetheWorld> mkz: me too
[17:43] <mkz> mine builds right out of the tar
[17:43] <mkz> are you looking to do something particular?
[17:43] <mkz> btw - qui or ce qui is french for what... :)
[17:44] <mkz> though I suppose I should have written it as "Le What?"... :)
[17:46] <UnDa> lol
[17:46] <savetheWorld> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pep%C3%A9_Le_Pew
[17:47] <savetheWorld> mkz: I just wanted to read the sources.  I'm trying to decode why i cant reset the location of the history file on kubuntu as i have on others *NIXes in the past.
[17:47] <UnDa> hey u got any idea of how can i make kubuntu look like this? http://b2dbuntu.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/welcome.png
[17:48] <SSJ_GZ> UnDa: That's just a mockup.
[17:48] <SSJ_GZ> (of KDE4)
[17:49] <UnDa> brb ima retart
[17:52] <mkz> you might take a peak at cairo-dock if you want that taskbar now...
[17:55] <_Shade_> i have changed the sound server to alsa and i have no sound. How do i get the arts back? i have no such option in kcontrol
[17:59] <mkz> question: how do you save default settings for the "Advanced options of a task in the taskbar (and what is the taskbar called in linux?)?
[17:59] <mkz> I guess it's called the kde panel
[18:00] <mkz> so, when I right click on a process listed in kde panel and select the Advanced menu option I can choose such things as Always On Top and Full Screen.  I have a problem where some applications set these settings and I want to be sure they don't.  Any ideas?
[18:02] <mkz> it appears the menu I'm talking about is called the Operations menu
[18:03] <venik> can anyone help with SAMBA configuration?  I am trying to share a printer and a folder with a WINDOWS XP machine
[18:07] <vedavox> cam someone verify something for me before I sub a bug report?
[18:08] <vedavox> is amarok 1.4.8 failing to submit to last.fm, tried 2 PC's both saying 'QObject::connect: Incompatible sender/receiver arguments' in the terminal
[18:09] <UnDa> hey
[18:09] <UnDa> got some trubles again >.>
[18:09] <UnDa> with screen configuration editor
[18:09] <UnDa> when i open it shows a blank error
[18:10] <UnDa> it says nothin
[18:10] <_Shade_> ey how do i use the strigi thingy? it doesn't find anything :P
[18:11] <vedavox> _Shade_: you have to let it compile a database first, personally I just use kfind
[18:12] <UnDa> n it does search lol just oppened it
[18:14] <vijay_> hi
[18:17] <vijay_> after some time of connection, speed become slower , any help?
[18:19] <vedavox> vijay_: anything taking up process time?
[18:19] <vedavox> vijay_: use ctrl + esc to bring up the process table
[18:20] <simion314> hi, i do not have a floppy drive and i need an windows xp boot floppy disk, i found on the web an .exe file and a .zip file but not a .img file, i need a .img file
[18:21] <hansjd> anyone know a good C++ IDE for kubuntu?
[18:23] <gerhardkde4> hansjd: kdevelop rocks
[18:23] <hansjd> gerhardkde4: thnx
[18:24]  * DareDevil_ asks last question - where do you think InspIRCd stands. is it as close to security and stability as hybrid has ?
[18:30] <simion314> hi, i do not have a floppy drive and i need an windows xp boot floppy disk, i found on the web an .exe file and a .zip file but not a .img file, i need a .img file
[18:31] <teo-> where can i find the packages i have downloaded using apt-get ?????
[18:32] <stdin> teo-: why not just let apt-get download them?
[18:32] <emilsedgh> teo-: /var/cache/apt/archives
[18:33] <teo-> thnx
[18:33] <teo-> bb
[18:34] <emilsedgh> howdy stdin?
[18:34] <stdin> was that a question? ;)
[18:36] <DareDevil_> the comparison shows irc inspircd has all the options and supports. i dont know is it stable and secure as hybrid is and will it give me more control or give limitations...
[18:45] <Xbehave_> i want to make a director that users can write to but they cant delete the whole dir, what permisions do i set? i tried chown root.users then chmod 775
[18:48] <ddelony> !workspacwe
[18:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about workspacwe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:48] <ddelony> !workspaces
[18:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about workspaces - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:48] <ddelony> !workspace
[18:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about workspace - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:48] <Pici> !msgthebot
[18:48] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[18:48] <ddelony> My compiz cube is just a rectangle.
[18:49] <draik> What is a good video capture card that I can use with Kubuntu?
[18:50] <ddelony> !compiz
[18:50] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[18:55] <trond_> hello
[18:56] <puffandstuff> hello
[18:56] <ddelony> I'm tyring to add workspaces to my desktop, but I can't seem to find the setting.
[18:56] <trond_> my question is: is it possible to get write access to windows partitions/disks when running kubuntu? i have them all mounted..'
[18:57] <puffandstuff> Every kde application i run under ubuntu is so laggy (freezes + refresh latency etc) i can't run kdevelop or even kdiff for exemple, please help :"(
[18:59] <psi_> puffandstuff: i had the same problem
[18:59] <puffandstuff> psi_, you solved it ?
[18:59] <stdin> ddelony: system settings -> Desktop -> Multiple Desktops
[19:00] <psi_> yes but not in a good way puffandstuff have you been messing with compiz-fusion?
[19:00] <stdin> trond_: yes, with ntfs-3g
[19:00] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | trond_
[19:00] <ubotu> trond_: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[19:01] <puffandstuff> psi_, messing ? well when i activate fusion it works correctly but i desactivate it
[19:02] <psi_> puffandstuff: i think it was compiz-fusion that cause the problem the only way i fixed it was to reinstall kubuntu from scratch
[19:03] <psi_> since doing that haven't touched compiz again and it is sweet as a nut
[19:03] <puffandstuff> psi_ omg, well i've better to review my configuration
[19:03] <psi_> puffandstuff: i tried that but i couldn't solve it
[19:04] <psi_> i had nothing on here to loose
[19:04] <puffandstuff> psi_, i've a lot of work on this station so i cant do this now
[19:05] <psi_> fair enough
[19:15] <alex__> Привет!
[19:15] <stdin> !ru
[19:15] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[19:16] <stdin> some people are so impatient
[19:20] <klu4ik> hi
[19:23] <klu4ik> who from Russia?
[19:25] <_Shade_> !nvidia
[19:25] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[19:31] <Goop2> I keep getting errors where programs can't connect to JACK
[19:32] <ddelon1> I decided to go back to regular Ubuntu, but the Kubuntu boot screen is still there. I already changed back to GDM.
[19:32] <venik> still looking for help with SAMBA.  When I try to add shares to it (folder or printers), the WINDOWS machine on the local network fails to see them
[19:32] <venik> I am running Kubuntu 7.10
[19:36] <jcgkffycs> is hardy going to have kde 4 in it?
[19:48] <unagi> how do i use my webcam with msn or aim in kubuntu, i know it works because tvtime gives me video from it?
[19:50] <JoshOvki_> try  aMsn
[19:52] <unagi>  ty
[19:54] <fouafond> salut tout le mnde!
[19:55] <fouafond> ya qqun?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> !fr | fouafond
[19:55] <ubotu> fouafond: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[19:55] <fouafond> qqun peu m'aider je suis nouveau sous linux
[19:56] <fouafond> ???
[19:57] <genii> fouafond: Anglais ici
[20:13] <liz_> Hey all. Anyone know how to get the Guest account to access the internet?
[20:15] <trappist> the internet has a guest account?!
[20:16] <liz_> no Guest log in with kubuntu
[20:17] <capricorn_tm> hi there :)
[20:17] <Limbeaux> newbie question.  i have debian etch w/ kde3 installed.  is there a way to upgrade to kubuntu or do i have to start over?
[20:17] <capricorn_tm> Anyone has Kde4 installed here?
[20:18] <capricorn_tm> @limbeaux, I think the two are not compatible mate. You'll have to reinstall over
[20:18] <emilsedgh> !kde4 | capricorn_tm
[20:18] <ubotu> capricorn_tm: KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:19] <capricorn_tm> okay thanks :)
[20:24] <liz_> when I log in as a Guest on kubuntu I can't access the internet... anyone know why?
[20:25] <genii> dialup?
[20:27] <liz_> no dsl, connecting wirelessly
[20:29] <liz_> anyone?
[20:30] <Tm_T> !wifi
[20:30] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:30] <Tm_T> liz_: does those help?
[20:33] <liz_> Tm_T: checking it out now, thx
[20:35] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[20:36] <MilhousePunkRock> I am looking for a wysiwyg xml editor for KDE... Any ideas?
[20:37] <Tm_T> MilhousePunkRock: what kind of xml? as in, xml can be a lot of things
[20:37] <martijnvanvliet> MilhousePunkRock: try kompozer
[20:38] <MilhousePunkRock> Tm_T: Well, mainly I just want to change a amarokfs theme to fit my needs
[20:38] <MilhousePunkRock> and I am not willing to actually learn xml for that
[20:38] <MilhousePunkRock> martijnvanvliet: Thanks, I will look into it
[20:38] <martijnvanvliet> MilhousePunkRock: it will do html, dunno if it will do xml
[20:39] <martijnvanvliet> MilhousePunkRock: otherwise there is quanta, but that is not xml
[20:39] <Tm_T> MilhousePunkRock: heh, then "any browser + text editor" should be fine, though, I do it testing with amarok directly
[20:39] <martijnvanvliet> i mean not wysiwyg
[20:40] <MilhousePunkRock> what apt-cache show kompozer tells me seems to be exactly what i am looking for
[20:40] <MilhousePunkRock> Tm_T: You missed the WYSIWYG part ;)
[20:41] <Tm_T> MilhousePunkRock: no I didn't but there's no better way to see what you get ;-P
[20:41] <Holden> hello, I guess this is a common problem but I can't get around it. I'm using Ubuntu and installed KDE. I have a USB external drive which GNOME automatically mounts with no problem. However in KDE it won't mount until I actually try to access it with dolphin. Also I had to uncheck "mount as user" to be able to mount it. I want it to mount automaically at startup, any ideas?
[20:41] <Tm_T> !automount
[20:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automount - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:41] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[20:41] <Tm_T> !mount
[20:41] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[20:42] <Tm_T> bah
[20:42] <MilhousePunkRock> bah, kompozer is gtk
[20:42] <martijnvanvliet> lol
[20:43] <matahari> hi
[20:43] <matahari> is there an extra channel for hardy-stuff?
[20:44] <MilhousePunkRock> matahari: #ubuntu+1
[20:44] <martijnvanvliet> matahari: yes there is: #ubuntu+1
[20:44] <matahari> thanks
[20:44] <MilhousePunkRock> hmm
[20:45] <MilhousePunkRock> kompozer does not open the amarokfs xml file
[20:45] <martijnvanvliet> MilhousePunkRock:  i dunno, but xml is structure based anyways, not content
[20:50] <linux_> anybody that can help me with an installation question?
[20:57] <neopsyche> can someone help me compile and / or install
[20:57] <emilsedgh> !ask | neopsyche
[20:57] <ubotu> neopsyche: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[20:58] <neopsyche> can someone help me compile and/or install XDTV
[20:58] <neopsyche> please
[21:00] <Holden> is there a way to decrease the lag when I do the selection box with the mouse ?
[21:18] <savetheWorld> Holden: make sure all the animation and special effects are turned off?
[21:22] <Holden> savetheWorld:  they are
[21:22] <savetheWorld> oh. :-(
[21:34] <reaperdragon> what program can i use to burn a mp3 cd not the same as a audio cd
[21:35] <jpatrick> reaperdragon: k3b?
[21:35] <reaperdragon> yea
[21:35] <reaperdragon> but it wont burn mp3 cd
[21:35] <reaperdragon> i mean i dont fully understand
[21:36] <reaperdragon> a cd that has a list of mp3s on it for my car cd player to play
[21:36] <reaperdragon> any advice
[21:38] <jpatrick> !info libk3b2-mp3 | reaperdragon
[21:38] <ubotu> reaperdragon: libk3b2-mp3 (source: k3b): The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 43 kB, installed size 116 kB
[21:40] <MagicFab> Hello
[21:40] <MagicFab> I'd like to know what would be a good replacement or equivalent backup application for kdar - http://kdar.sourceforge.net/
[21:41] <MagicFab> Kdar was dropped after Edgy
[21:43] <jawee> MagicFab: I've never used KDar, but possibly Konserve?
[21:44] <jawee> MagicFab: If not, take a look at http://directory.fsf.org/category/bu/
[21:46] <MagicFab> jawee, hmm.... no updates since dapper, mailing list dead :(
[21:46] <neo22> So, uh, is there a way to run awn with kde 4 + hardy heron?
[21:46] <MagicFab> jawee, tx for the URL
[21:46] <jawee> MagicFab: I personally just use bash scripts :)
[21:47] <jawee> anyway gtg
[21:48] <MagicFab> jawee, "keep"  seems more like it
[21:48] <neo22> Also, what is the channel for heron?
[21:48] <MagicFab> -> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=keep&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[21:52] <batis610> i can't access to my external hard disc, i have this message: an error occured while accessing 'MyBook', the system said:org.freedesktop.hal.device.permissiondeniedbypolicy: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000.... i have gutsy kde4
[21:53] <Artimus> How can I tell where a package is installed from?  I'm trying to figure out if the package I have is from gutsy-proposed or not.
[21:56] <crazy6> why doesn't my sound work when I come back from Sleep ; did I do something to offend it?
[21:56] <ForgeAus> um what to do when your system locks up saying Not starting WINGs display manager (WDM); it is not the default display manager
[21:58] <Daisuke_Ido> crazy6: are you by any chance using a dellbuntu?
[21:58] <crazy6> Daisuke_Ido: nah, Lenovo
[21:58] <Daisuke_Ido> !mount | batis610
[21:58] <ubotu> batis610: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[21:58] <Daisuke_Ido> crazy6: same issue i'd imagine...  sometimes it just doesn't come back after sleep
[21:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't remember how to fix it :(
[21:59] <sammy-afk> anyone have ffmpeg installed and want to take 2 seconds to try to have it convert a shn file for me and confirm this crazy behavior? ffmpeg seems to continue on forever as if the shn file has no end, it's crazy.
[21:59] <crazy6> wah
[22:00] <crazy6> hrm I can't seem to restart the sound system via the KDE control panel
[22:00] <psi_> sammy-afk: sure why not
[22:00] <psi_> sammy-afk: what file u trying to convert
[22:01] <tinin> How could I know wich is my graphic card?
[22:02] <ForgeAus> um what to do when your system locks up on startup saying Not starting WINGs display manager (WDM); it is not the default display manager???
[22:02] <ForgeAus> pre-login
[22:02] <jpatrick> tinin: lspci | grep "VGA"
[22:02] <Artimus> Why won't apt download the latest flash plugin for me?  I have proposed enabled.  It's sticking with 9.0.48.  9.0.115 is listed, but apt will not download it.
[22:03] <Daisuke_Ido> Artimus: /topic
[22:03] <Daisuke_Ido> ForgeAus: you never even get to KDM>
[22:04] <Artimus> Daisuke_Ido: That's not answering why it won't install the latest version.
[22:04] <ForgeAus> thats right
[22:04] <ForgeAus> just text screen still
[22:04] <sammy-afk> oh no, did psi_ leave? that'll teach me to ignore joins/parts/quits :/
[22:04]  * sammy-afk checks whowas. rats!
[22:05] <sammy-afk> anyone else with ffmpeg and two seconds willing to dl this .shn file so I can confirm this crazy behavior and file a bug?
[22:05] <ForgeAus> line before it says * Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)
[22:05] <neopsyche> hi. how do i build from source?
[22:05] <jpatrick> !b-e > neopsyche (see pm from ubotu)
[22:05] <ForgeAus> no keys seem to do anything here
[22:06] <ForgeAus> i can use alt-f keys to get to different screens but they're all blank
[22:07] <ForgeAus> is there a way to get to a prompt?
[22:07] <virnik> hi there, can somebody help me out with suspend? when I suspend computer by classical command echo -n mem > /sys/power/state, my computer gone to sleep. if I woke it up, it will wake up, but then suspend again. I have to wake it again, to make it work. can somebody help me out?
[22:07] <virnik> ForgeAus: CTRL+ALT+F1
[22:08] <virnik> ForgeAus: and it is not prompt, it is shell
[22:08] <ForgeAus> virnik I havn't got that far yet
[22:08] <ForgeAus> its still in the f1 screen
[22:08] <ForgeAus> textmode
[22:08] <ForgeAus> no X yet
[22:08] <virnik> ForgeAus: ah so
[22:08] <sammy-afk> neopsyche: you want to build a project from source that doesn't already have a ubuntu or debian package? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[22:08] <virnik> ForgeAus: so, what is your problem?
[22:08] <ForgeAus> I can't use the computer
[22:09] <ForgeAus> its hung during login script
[22:09] <ForgeAus> no prompts of any kind no shell no nothing
[22:09] <virnik> ForgeAus: how?
[22:09] <ForgeAus> GGRRRR
[22:09] <virnik> ForgeAus: it is easy
[22:09] <neopsyche> sammy-afk: yes because the deb says dependency problem
[22:09] <ForgeAus> what is easy?
[22:09] <virnik> ForgeAus: just press ESC when booting GRUB
[22:09] <virnik> then press E on second line
[22:09] <ForgeAus> oh yeah um grub
[22:09] <virnik> edit it
[22:09] <sammy-afk> neopsyche: and you can't fill the dependency with an already existing package?
[22:09] <ForgeAus> wait lemme see if grub works here
[22:09] <virnik> and add single at the end
[22:10] <virnik> ForgeAus: it works, it is standard now
[22:10] <virnik> now, it will boot up to single user mode
[22:10] <virnik> u will have no networking, nothing, but u can easily start it up
[22:10] <virnik> now, just give system root pass, and u are in
[22:11] <virnik> it is much more easier
[22:11] <ForgeAus> um no grub
[22:11] <virnik> ForgeAus: r u using lilo?
[22:11] <ForgeAus> must b
[22:11] <ForgeAus> or something
[22:11] <virnik> ForgeAus: it is similiar
[22:11] <ForgeAus> (AndLinux)
[22:11] <virnik> what distro u got?
[22:11] <virnik> ah
[22:11] <virnik> lilo
[22:11] <virnik> it is almost the same
[22:12] <virnik> just look to google
[22:12] <virnik> can't remember from spin, which shortcuts lilo uses
[22:12] <ForgeAus> it goes 2 quick thru startup
[22:12] <ForgeAus> can't keep up
[22:12] <virnik> heh
[22:12] <ForgeAus> and no scrollbar to scroll back :(
[22:12] <virnik> why are u using such distro?
[22:12] <ForgeAus> I can type
[22:12] <virnik> ForgeAus: this is #kubuntu channel
[22:13] <virnik> no AndLinux chan
[22:13] <ForgeAus> hehe andlinux is kubuntu :)
[22:13] <virnik> so it is somewhat ....strange
[22:13] <ForgeAus> thats the distro
[22:13] <virnik> what?
[22:13] <ForgeAus> its just embedded in WindowsXP
[22:13] <virnik> never heard of it
[22:13] <ForgeAus> (ie using coLinux)
[22:13] <virnik> ah
[22:13] <ForgeAus> and Xming for Xserver
[22:13] <virnik> ok...
[22:13] <virnik> saionara
[22:13] <ForgeAus> lol
[22:13] <virnik> can't help u then...
[22:14] <ForgeAus> but even with kubuntu native I've had similar problems
[22:14] <virnik> no experiences with such thing...once its not pure linux...it can't enter my HDD
[22:14] <virnik> ForgeAus: which problems?
[22:14] <virnik> can u tell me again?
[22:14] <ForgeAus> when something fowls up during boot and you don't get a prompt (and/or KDM)
[22:14] <ForgeAus> what 2 do?
[22:14] <virnik> cos in native kubuntu or ubuntu, it is easy to fix such things
[22:14] <ForgeAus> for you maybe
[22:14] <virnik> ok
[22:14] <ForgeAus> I'm not that well versed in these things
[22:15] <virnik> in my case
[22:15] <virnik> i should swictch to single user mode
[22:15] <virnik> ctrl+alt+del
[22:15] <virnik> pass root password
[22:15] <virnik> then fire up eth device, atp-get install mc
[22:15] <ForgeAus> ctrl alt del restarts
[22:15] <virnik> run mc, and look to /var/log/messages or dmesg
[22:15] <virnik> ForgeAus: no
[22:15] <ForgeAus> I can't run mc without a prompt
[22:16] <virnik> ctrl+alt+del restarts only when computer is fully operating
[22:16] <virnik> otherwise, it will freeze at runleve 1
[22:16] <ForgeAus> grr its past the bootloader anyway
[22:16] <virnik> lol?
[22:16] <virnik> are u sure, that there is no GRUB?
[22:16] <ForgeAus> its mounted filesystems too I think
[22:16] <virnik> ubuntu distros are supplied by it by default
[22:16] <ForgeAus> not quite sure no grub but I don't get to go to grub
[22:17] <ForgeAus> yeah thats what I thought was weird too
[22:17] <virnik> ForgeAus: as I said, just press ESC after reset
[22:17] <virnik> press, press, press
[22:17] <virnik> it shall work
[22:17] <virnik> once u'll get GRUB menu
[22:17] <virnik> u can do more things
[22:18] <virnik> it have wait time 0, by default I think
[22:18] <ForgeAus> no esc doesn't do anything
[22:18] <virnik> hehe
[22:18] <ForgeAus> continually pressing it
[22:18] <virnik> are u sure u are sitting at front of computer, and no TV? :-)))
[22:18] <ForgeAus> (I sent a ctrl+alt+delete to the terminal)
[22:18] <ForgeAus> yes it is a PC
[22:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !attitude | virnik
[22:18] <ubotu> virnik: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[22:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !u | virnik
[22:18] <ubotu> virnik: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[22:19] <ForgeAus> I'm in windows still the console is in a shell (emulated under XP)
[22:19] <ForgeAus> I need to get it to boot tho
[22:19] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: what is problem with my lang?
[22:19] <hydrogen> y do ppl care about the way things r ritten?
[22:19] <virnik> hydrogen: i dunno why...strange,isn't it?
[22:20] <virnik> hydrogen: while I use shortcuts, it makes my typing speed more efficient...so y should I care?
[22:20] <ForgeAus> virnik like I said earlier its mounted filesystems and halfway thru running a script
[22:20] <virnik> ForgeAus: it is really strange. u cant go to the GRUB, nor get single user mode...
[22:21] <ForgeAus> what is single user mode?
[22:21] <Chris_Swift> Hello all, I have recently installed Kubuntu and right now I am using GNOME, I want for firefox to be my default browser, but whenever I click a link from Konversation, it asks me which program to open the link with, can anyone help out?
[22:21] <virnik> ForgeAus: it is special run level
[22:21] <ForgeAus> virnik I don't think it boots via grub
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> ForgeAus: "recovery"
[22:21] <virnik> ForgeAus: once u get to it, u will see. no network by default
[22:21] <ForgeAus> ahh recovery, no I don't et that option
[22:21] <neo22> Uh.
[22:21] <virnik> no root pass need
[22:21] <neo22> Adept froze on me.
[22:21] <ForgeAus> seems to start after that
[22:21] <neo22> And I had to kill it.
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> Chris_Swift: can't you say "set app as default"?
[22:21] <neo22> But I can't use the repos now.
[22:21] <ForgeAus> (or with something else instead)
[22:21] <virnik> and u have full right to fix yo' system
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix
[22:21] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:21] <neo22> Could not get lock var/lib/dpkg/lock yada yada yada
[22:21] <neo22> Thanks
[22:22] <ForgeAus> if it were native I could just boot into live CD :)
[22:22] <Chris_Swift> nosrednaekim: Is that a new function, I had to install version 6.06
[22:22] <virnik> ForgeAus: true
[22:22] <memoriesdies> hi i want to ask how to make arabic subtitles display for movies it appears foregin simpoles and i cannt display arabic id3 but any arabic files i can read them good
[22:22] <ForgeAus> anyway this is gutsy not feisty like my CD is
[22:22] <virnik> liveCD is more efficient, sometime
[22:22] <ForgeAus> virnik any other ideas?
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> Chris_Swift: no... it should be an option in the dialog that pops up.
[22:22] <virnik> u can use easily chroot to yo' disk, and make all administrative thingies
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> Chris_Swift: can you tell if its a GOME dialog or a KDE dialog?
[22:23] <virnik> ForgeAus: out of mind...sorry...but if u find out, just lemme know...it is really interesting
[22:23] <hydrogen> teh easy way to tell
[22:23] <ForgeAus> virnik any way I can get to some kinda prompt (or bypass the error)?
[22:23] <hydrogen> does it have more than one button on the bottom
[22:23] <Chris_Swift> nosrednaekim: I have no idea, how can I tell?
[22:23] <virnik> can somebody help me out with suspend? when I suspend computer by classical command echo -n mem > /sys/power/state, my computer gone to sleep. if I woke it up, it will wake up, but then suspend again. I have to wake it again, to make it work. can somebody help me out?
[22:23] <virnik> ForgeAus: that was how to bypass it, as I said u
[22:24] <virnik> can u tell me on which service it frozen?
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> Chris_Swift: well, the widget style should look different
[22:24] <ForgeAus> I Set KDM to be the default but its trying to load WDM instead
[22:24] <Chris_Swift> nosrednaekim: Do you have an example screenshot?
[22:24] <virnik> ForgeAus: i remember that some years ago, this was caused by NTP daemon, or sendmail...but it was RedHat problems with early Fedora 1
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> virnik: use kpowermanager
[22:24] <virnik> nosrednaekim: NO
[22:24] <virnik> nosrednaekim: to be clear
[22:24] <virnik> nosrednaekim: it is unusable
[22:25] <virnik> nosrednaekim: cos I am using NVIDIA
[22:25] <nosrednaekim> Chris_Swift: unfortunately, no since I ham using KDE4 and it would look totally different
[22:25] <ForgeAus> the actual error message is Not starting WINGs display manager (wdm); it is not the default display manager
[22:25] <virnik> nosrednaekim: and u know what....NVIDIA drivers got serious problems with bypasing VBE states.
[22:25] <Chris_Swift> nosrednaekim: I will upload an SS to imageshack
[22:25] <nosrednaekim> ForgeAus: an you do a ctrl+alt+f2?
[22:25] <virnik> even with debug and some hours spend on it, I make it usable only halfway
[22:25] <nosrednaekim> Chris_Swift: ok
[22:25] <ForgeAus> yes nos
[22:25] <virnik> sometime it frozen, sometime not
[22:25] <ForgeAus> but no prompt there
[22:25] <virnik> but now, I have made and written my own scripts to /etc/acpi
[22:26] <virnik> its working really nice
[22:26] <virnik> only ugly thing is, that I must wake it up twice, after suspend
[22:26] <virnik> cos it will wake up, and then sleep again
[22:26] <memoriesdies>  hi i want to ask how to make arabic subtitles display for movies it appears foregin simpoles and i cannt display arabic id3 but any arabic files i can read them good
[22:26] <virnik> ok, another wakeup, and it is ok
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> ForgeAus: ok, what you need to do is chroot in from a liveCD and change the default display manager back to KDM
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> virnik: probably someting wrong with your script
[22:27] <virnik> memoriesdies: just choose your arabic font, and tell mplayer, what is it's encoding
[22:27] <ForgeAus> hehe nos, that would be ok it would work, but I'm booting from within WinXP (I think this Kubuntu uses lilo instead of grub too)
[22:27] <virnik> and tell it what encoding r u using in that subtitle file
[22:27] <ForgeAus> (its AndLinux)
[22:27] <Chris_Swift> nosrednaekim: http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1268/screenshot1qc1.png
[22:27] <virnik> nosrednaekim: I dont think so
[22:27] <Chris_Swift> nosrednaekim: There ya go
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> Chris_Swift: gracias
[22:28] <memoriesdies> i did that with kafien and vlc and didnt appear correct
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> ForgeAus: eh?
[22:28] <virnik> nosrednaekim: just look here: http://www.abclinuxu.cz/forum/show/164477
[22:28] <virnik> there is that script written
[22:28] <Chris_Swift> nosrednaekim: Oh, I fip,orgot something very omportant
[22:28] <ForgeAus> hehe check it out (I know its kubuntu-based because it tells me)
[22:28] <virnik> what can be wrong with it?
[22:28] <virnik> it works nice
[22:28] <Chris_Swift> nosrednaekim: Sorry wrong screenshot
[22:28] <virnik> but once I make my computer sleep, I have to wake it up twice
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> ForgeAus: kubuntu based is not kubuntu......
[22:29] <ForgeAus> yeah nos thats right
[22:29] <hydrogen> ouhh
[22:29] <hydrogen> wut?
[22:29] <hydrogen> kubuntu is based on kubuntu
[22:29] <hydrogen> oh
[22:29] <ForgeAus> but same thing would be if I were using kubuntu itself, there has to be a way to do something during a failed boot script
[22:29] <hydrogen> I misread that
[22:29] <hydrogen> I thought you said kubuntu is not based on kubuntu
[22:29] <hydrogen> you didn't
[22:29] <Daisuke_Ido> you know how when there's a language barrier, the person that has a different native or well-spoken language can come across sounding like a...  well, like an ignorant tool?
[22:29] <ForgeAus> hehe hydrogen its not kubuntu based on kubuntu
[22:30] <Daisuke_Ido> or possibly an arrogant tool
[22:30] <genii> kubuntu is not based on kubuntu
[22:30] <Daisuke_Ido> depending
[22:30] <Chris_Swift> nosrednaekim: http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/7356/screenshot2fb9.png
[22:30] <Chris_Swift> nosrednaekim: The proper image
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> ForgeAus: which means you are probably in the wrong channel..... if it can't be fixed with a liveCD, I have no idea.
[22:30] <ForgeAus> its AndLinux which is a embedded kubuntu-based distro in Windows
[22:30]  * genii reels and sips more coffee
[22:30] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: it is not true
[22:30] <ForgeAus> (using colinux which basically emulates the kernel)
[22:30] <Daisuke_Ido> virnik: what isn't true?
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> ForgeAus: sorry, can't help you with that!
[22:31] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: I am not american, nor british, nor any other english-native-speaking person...but still, I know slang...
[22:31] <ForgeAus> grrr
[22:31] <virnik> so where is problem? I am using it everywhere
[22:31] <Daisuke_Ido> you're so vain...  you probably think that quote was about you
[22:31] <gorongoro> any software for kubuntu,  canfrog¿?¿?
[22:32]  * Daisuke_Ido apologizes to carly simon
[22:32] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: and I do not think that I am arogant or ignorant... when u use something for a long time, u'r just used to it, that's all
[22:32] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: sure I think that, cos u said similiar thing before...
[22:32] <virnik> directly
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> Chris_Swift: interesting! it must be a new feature :)
[22:32] <Daisuke_Ido> it was, of course, and i didn't say you thought you were ignorant or arrogant
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> !ot | virnik Daisuke_Ido
[22:32] <ubotu> virnik Daisuke_Ido: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[22:32] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm saying you're coming off sounding like an arrogant tool
[22:33] <Chris_Swift> nosrednaekim: Ok well I am updating Ubuntu right now so we will have to wait and see
[22:33] <Daisuke_Ido> who would be better suited for the attitudes in #debian
[22:33] <virnik> nosrednaekim: nice, but nobody cares about my Q
[22:33] <virnik> and I cant move without help now
[22:33] <Daisuke_Ido> by the way, suspend works fine with nvidia
[22:34] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: lol, just read google
[22:34] <virnik> it have so many problems
[22:34] <Daisuke_Ido> well, let's see...
[22:34] <virnik> clean install of gutsy 64b
[22:34] <virnik> and do not work
[22:34] <Daisuke_Ido> see, you never said 64 bit
[22:34] <virnik> ok, so I have made some modifications
[22:34] <virnik> no way
[22:34] <Daisuke_Ido> and if you made modifications, you're on your own
[22:34] <virnik> problem is, that it IS working
[22:34] <Daisuke_Ido> have fun, good luck
[22:34] <hydrogen> emm
[22:34] <virnik> ah....do not say that, it sounds really stupid.
[22:35] <hydrogen> everyone makes modifications to their system
[22:35] <virnik> ok, recapitulation, ok?
[22:35] <Daisuke_Ido> hydrogen: not everyone makes modifications to their suspend and resume scripts
[22:35] <virnik> 1] first for all, its 64b distro
[22:35] <virnik> 2] second, clean install, and it do not work
[22:35] <hydrogen> nope, instead I have to rewrite the kdm init script because the default one is stoopid
[22:35] <virnik> 3] with nvidia-glx-new, it do not work
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> virnik: stop stop.... we can't help you with your acpi script.... ask the person who made the acpi script, ok?
[22:36] <virnik> problem of points made above is, that it actually suspend, but wakes up to blank black screen
[22:36] <virnik> nosrednaekim: I am not asking about MY SCRIP!
[22:36] <virnik> helll
[22:36] <Daisuke_Ido> !ohmy
[22:36] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:36] <virnik> i am asking about suspend progress from KDE and kubuntu native scripts invented to it
[22:37] <virnik> ok
[22:37] <sam64_> trying to burn a copy of UbuntuStudio, but K3b can't see my DVD
[22:37] <virnik> so
[22:37] <virnik> I have found out, how to make it work
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> virnik: well, that would be knetworkmanager, or guidance-power-manager then.
[22:37] <virnik> nosrednaekim: both are uninstalled
[22:37] <virnik> nosrednaekim: I am using kpowersave
[22:38] <virnik> but kpowersave have this features off
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> virnik: well, thats what we support here, not 3rd party acpi scripts.
[22:38] <virnik> so my question is, what can interfere?
[22:38] <Daisuke_Ido> if i say what i would like, i would probably not be allowed in here anymore, so i'm going to go get a drink, pop some popcorn, and just watch
[22:38] <virnik> nosrednaekim: damn... I want just one info
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> virnik: interfere with WHAT?
[22:38] <virnik> can u give me time to explain myself?
[22:39] <nosrednaekim> do so in one complete message
[22:39] <virnik> nosrednaekim: its hard when u bother only with "pure scripts" and Daisuke_Ido "it's not pure, u r on your own"
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> virnik: just state your problem in one message if you want help.
[22:40] <virnik> without explaining
[22:40] <virnik> nosrednaekim: I have posted it in one long message twice
[22:40] <Daisuke_Ido> no, this is an official support channel, if you would like to use a customised script, it's recommended that you know what you're doing, because we dont.
[22:40] <virnik> no reaction
[22:40] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: I am willing to use pure scripts, but they do not work
[22:40] <virnik> that is the problem
[22:41] <virnik> with nvidia driver from repo, it freezes on black screen. I can switch to X sometime, but mostly, it freezes.
[22:42] <virnik> kernel is alive, like network and sound too. only graphic card can't make it up. and that's your "pure" scripts
[22:42] <Daisuke_Ido> so instead of trying to fix it, you go to an unsupported solution, then come here when you need help with that.
[22:42] <jpatrick> virnik: what does " pmi capabilities" give?
[22:42] <hola> someone knows how to share pppoe between host and lient?
[22:42] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: are u serious? i have spend more then eight hours on it
[22:42] <virnik> jpatrick: same
[22:42] <virnik> no change
[22:43] <jpatrick> to what?
[22:43] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, and how was i supposed to know that?  i'm not a mind reader.
[22:43] <virnik> problem is somewhere about warming up the card
[22:43] <virnik> event with VBE restore false, it still cant make it through
[22:43] <hydrogen> Daisuke_Ido: stop trolling, if you can't be helpful its better to be quiet
[22:43] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: true, u r not. but while I was explaining what i just tried, u blamed me for customizations
[22:44] <virnik> hydrogen: thx a lot
[22:44] <neo22> Damn. I can't get the ati drivers to stick. I go through this every time I upgrade.
[22:44] <Daisuke_Ido> okay...  what video card
[22:44] <neo22> Ati 1900xtx.
[22:44] <neo22> It's saying mesa.
[22:44] <Daisuke_Ido> not you :)
[22:45] <Daisuke_Ido> i know nada about ati, sorry
[22:45] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: Nvidia 7600 GO
[22:45] <neo22> oh :(
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> neo22: which drivers?
[22:45] <virnik> notebook version, made by ASUS
[22:45] <virnik> latest from oficial
[22:45] <virnik> but latest from repo are the same
[22:45] <virnik> but slower
[22:45] <neo22> fglrx
[22:46] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: its ASUS F3T AP008, if it helps
[22:46] <nosrednaekim> neo22: from the ati website, or from the restricted-manager
[22:46] <neo22> restricted-manager
[22:47] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: strange, that with other distros, this feature works fine. but I am with kubuntu too long, more then 4 years, so I do not want to switch distro
[22:47] <neo22> I added the bit about composite disable to my xorg.conf
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> neo22: ah.... do you have composite disabled in the xorg?
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> ah..ok
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> did you restart X after that?
[22:48] <neo22> I think so.
[22:48] <neo22> I'll restart it to be sure.
[22:48] <virnik> so, after 8 hours of work on this, trying almost everything, I just switched to custom scripts. and it works nice. except that annoying wakeup, where I have to wake it twice...because after first wakeup, computer normally wake, but goes to sleep again
[22:48] <hola> someone knows how to share pppoe between host and lient?
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> well, you do need to restart after installing the drivers
[22:49] <virnik> hola: just allow packet forwarding
[22:49] <bigdad1e> i need help making my ip visible. instead of the <IP_ADDRESS> im tryin gto run a source dedicated server and it wont work. can someone please help me?
[22:49] <hola> virnik: are you an expert?
[22:49] <virnik> hola: then on your host machine make NAT for your client
[22:49] <virnik> hola: kind of, if u know CZFree.Net
[22:49] <virnik> wireless broadband community of linux and unix networking specialists
[22:50] <Daisuke_Ido> with kubuntu for more tan 4 years?
[22:50] <hola> virnik: i tried in differetn way but the result is always that connection is not reacable formm host
[22:50] <Daisuke_Ido> interesting.
[22:50] <Daisuke_Ido> anyway
[22:50] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: not exactly....I switched from Fedora 3
[22:50] <virnik> so...
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> bigdad1e: ifconfig should show you..
[22:50] <Daisuke_Ido> the nvidia-glx-new and nvidia driver on the site are the same
[22:50] <Daisuke_Ido> 9755
[22:51] <neo22> still mesa.
[22:51] <Daisuke_Ido> i can't see why that would be an issue though :\
[22:51] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: yep...
[22:51] <virnik> Daisuke_Ido: true, it is strange...
[22:51] <virnik> so it is why I am yelling here...
[22:51] <virnik> cos google can't help me out
[22:51] <hola> virnik: have you 10 minuto for me in order to drive me on it
[22:52] <virnik> so I have made my own script, it is really easy...and working
[22:52] <virnik> hola: sure
[22:52] <virnik> hola: what is your problem exactly?
[22:52] <bigdad1e> when i put the command in to run the server its telling me ipunkown
[22:53] <hola> virnik: let me summarized and i told you that nobody else has been able to help me
[22:53] <virnik> hola: stop stop stop
[22:54] <virnik> hola: just look inside your query
[22:54] <hola> virnik: which query
[22:54] <bigdad1e> !srcds
[22:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about srcds - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:54] <virnik> hola: <IP_ADDRESS> is my case, but in your case, this is IP of your ppp0
[22:54] <bigdad1e> is there a irc chat for srcds?
[22:54] <bigdad1e> or steam
[22:55] <hola> virnik: let me summarized hoh i did
[22:55] <virnik> hola: so change it
[22:55] <virnik> hola: if your ppp0 is working and host can reach internet, use script I have posted y
[22:55] <virnik> u
[22:55] <virnik> it is working fine
[22:55] <virnik> just change IPs
[22:55] <FrauHansen> hm, when i change my static IP  via 'ifconfig eth0 xxx.xx.xxx.xxx' i can't surf afterwards because FF can't find the proxy. pinging LAN works. how come?
[22:56] <hola> sorry where i find the script
[22:56] <virnik> hola: <IP_ADDRESS> is IP of your client...so change it
[22:56] <virnik> hola: in your querry
[22:56] <hola> help me
[22:56] <virnik> hola: damn, u got it in your querry
[22:57] <hola> what do you mean with query
[22:57] <virnik> i will not past it here, because it will make room flooded
[22:57] <hola> i dont understand sorry
[22:57] <Daisuke_Ido> hola: private message
[22:57] <virnik> hm
[22:57] <Daisuke_Ido> and no, he doesn't
[22:57] <virnik> ok
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> FrauHansen: youneed to set up a DNS server
[22:57] <virnik> private messages are forbidden here
[22:57] <virnik> sight
[22:57] <virnik> ok
[22:57] <virnik> i will post it here
[22:57] <virnik> can I?
[22:57] <virnik> 20 lines
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> no!
[22:57] <Agent_bob> no
[22:57] <Daisuke_Ido> because you can't send queries unless you register your nick
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> !paste
[22:57] <Agent_bob> !pastebin
[22:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:57] <virnik> :-)))
[22:57] <Daisuke_Ido> !register | virnik
[22:58] <virnik> just joke
[22:58] <ubotu> virnik: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[22:58] <bigdad1e> !ip
[22:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ip - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:58] <FrauHansen> nosrednaekim: you mean with the same command?
[22:58] <virnik> hola: I will post it on the web
[22:58] <nosrednaekim> FrauHansen: no.. you have to add it to the /etc/resolv.conf
[22:58] <hola> virnik: ok
[22:59] <virnik> hola: look here
[22:59] <virnik> http://pastebin.ca/896763
[22:59] <virnik> I have made pastebin for 30 minutes
[22:59] <FrauHansen> nosrednaekim: but it's in there. im surfing, lets say with xxx.xx.xxx.123 and when i change to ...124 inet is unreachable
[23:00] <virnik> so, u can copy it
[23:00] <virnik> easy script
[23:00] <virnik> which actually works fine
[23:00] <nosrednaekim> FrauHansen: and you set the .123 address with ifconfig as well?
[23:01] <Agent_bob> in all truth. many times i have seen people paste to the channel 8 or 10 lines,  and then other users post 30+ lines reproving them and instructing them what to do in the feuture...      doesn't make sense when the channel is slow.   only when it's busy.
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> and running a red light is fine when there is no-one there as well ;)
[23:01] <FrauHansen> nope. thats in /etc/network/interfaces and was cinfigured in kde-system-config-thingy
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> FrauHansen: ah... so try setting it to 124 there...
[23:02] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim fine as in harms nothing, or fine as in wont get you a ticket ?
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: well, fine in as harms nothing..... but if there is no-one there, you're not going to get a ticket either ;)
[23:03] <Daisuke_Ido> unless there's a camera
[23:03] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim never been mailed a ticket from an intersection camera eeh
[23:03] <FrauHansen> nosrednaekim: my goal is actually a script to quickly change IPs. so i have to change interfaces and do /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
[23:03] <hola> virnik: iptables v1.3.6: host/network `IP_OF_CLIENT' not found
[23:04] <hola> ptables v1.3.6: Bad IP address `IP_OF_PPP0'
[23:04] <virnik> hola: u must change it
[23:04] <virnik> hola: theese two are not variables
[23:05] <virnik> hola: just write there IP of your client
[23:05] <virnik> and IP of your ppp0 device
[23:05] <Agent_bob> FrauHansen you mean something like     ifconfig eth0 <new_ip>
[23:05] <FrauHansen> Agent_bob: yep, kind of
[23:06] <Agent_bob> or dhclient restart  ?
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: nope....well,i've also never run a red :)
[23:06] <FrauHansen> Agent_bob: no, static IPs
[23:06] <virnik> Agent_bob: dhclient eth0
[23:07] <Agent_bob> virnik right.  was thinking the sysV interface.
[23:07] <virnik> Agent_bob: ah so...
[23:07] <Agent_bob> FrauHansen if static then ifconfig is probably your friend
[23:07] <hola> virnik: im sorry...it does not work
[23:09] <Agent_bob> FrauHansen why do you need to change static ip's ???     what are you cracking?  your neighbours wireless service ?
[23:09] <virnik> hola: it work
[23:09] <virnik> hola: this script is used by my sister now, cos she is using internet from my laptop
[23:09] <FrauHansen> Agent_bob: none of your business :D
[23:09] <yasahiro> tell me... does anybody know of any decent video editors for kubuntu?
[23:09] <nosrednaekim> virnik: because it works for you, doesn't mean it will work for someone else
[23:09] <Agent_bob> FrauHansen then the answers how to are none of your business.
[23:09] <virnik> nosrednaekim: stop
[23:09] <nosrednaekim> yasahiro: i've heard good things about cinellera
[23:10] <virnik> nosrednaekim: if he got ppp0 device
[23:10] <Agent_bob> !warez | FrauHansen
[23:10] <ubotu> FrauHansen: piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[23:10] <hola> virnik: i belive that it works on your side
[23:10] <virnik> and he is able to connect to the internet
[23:10] <virnik> there is no reason why it should not work
[23:10] <virnik> hola: ok, once again
[23:10] <gaero> hi there
[23:10] <virnik> what is your LAN IP?
[23:10] <FrauHansen> Agent_bob: that wasn't necessary :(
[23:10] <virnik> and what is your LAN IP of your guest?
[23:11] <virnik> hola: what is your network device name, which is used for LAN?
[23:11] <Agent_bob> FrauHansen was required.    <FrauHansen> Agent_bob: none of your business :D
[23:11] <hola> virnik: im created a client with virtualbox. Do ou think that could be it the reason?
[23:11] <virnik> hola: sure it can
[23:11] <virnik> hola: virtual machine is handled other way
[23:11] <yasahiro> where can i get cinellera....
[23:11] <virnik> just edit your virtual box config, and make it bridge networks
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> !find cinellera
[23:11] <hola> virnik: can we tri togheter?
[23:11] <virnik> with your ppp0
[23:12] <ubotu> Package/file cinellera does not exist in gutsy
[23:12] <virnik> hola: nope. I am using vmware, not virtualbox
[23:12] <hola> virnik: i already created a bridge
[23:12] <hola> and a virtual interface
[23:13] <virnik> and can u ping from one to other?
[23:13] <virnik> can theese network devices see each other?
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> yasahiro: not sure.... google it
[23:13] <hola> yes
[23:13] <hola> of course
[23:14] <Daisuke_Ido> !info cinelerra
[23:14] <ubotu> Package cinelerra does not exist in gutsy
[23:15] <Agent_bob> !cinelerra
[23:15] <ubotu> Cinelerra is a video editor and compositor that cannot be included in Ubuntu for legal reasons. Install instructions can be found on http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[23:15] <Daisuke_Ido> ah ha!
[23:15] <Daisuke_Ido> there you are
[23:16] <hola> virnik: are you still there
[23:16] <virnik> hola: so...have u set your default route on your virtual machine?
[23:16] <virnik> can u ping internet IPs? it can be only problem of DNS resolution, which u haven't set properly
[23:16] <hola> virnik: i want to ask you it. What address i have to set as gateway on client?
[23:17] <virnik> hola: I am, but I am leaving for few minutes for bath and smoke
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: spelling is key :)
[23:17] <virnik> hola: on client, set your host's IP
[23:17] <virnik> hola: this is how routing works
[23:17] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim is that why i'm always locked out ???
[23:17] <virnik> your host is gateway here, for your guest system
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: lol!
[23:18]  * virnik gonna smoke...uaaah, Davidoff, what a pleasure!
[23:19] <ignoramus> hey guys... got a seemingly easy one for ya... How do i format a usb flash drive to ntfs?
[23:19] <Agent_bob> use windows
[23:20] <Daisuke_Ido> unless it's larger than 8gb or so, there's not much point
[23:20] <Agent_bob> but i would sujest vfat
[23:20] <ignoramus> naw, it's small, but i got it for free.  I'd like to use it at work, hence the ntfs..
[23:20] <Daisuke_Ido> vfat would be a better choice
[23:20] <Agent_bob> but i would sujest vfat
[23:20] <Daisuke_Ido> ignoramus: if you use windows at work, use vfat
[23:21] <ignoramus> Daisuke_Ido: OK, whats the command? is it with "mkfs"?
[23:21] <XceII> Just put a new video card in, keeps saying, (loading local scripts), it has been sitting 30 mins, is there something wrong, or that i should do?
[23:21] <Agent_bob> ignoramus mkfs.vfat /dev/<devicenode>
[23:21] <ignoramus> agent_bob: thanks
[23:21] <nosrednaekim> XceII: does recovery mode boot correctly?
[23:22] <hola> virnik: tell me when you are available
[23:22] <bigdad1e> can someone please help me with srcds? having trouble and dont know what to do
[23:22] <XceII> right now im on ubuntu, the problem is in ubuntu, noone in ubuntu is answering, how do i get to recovery mode in ubuntu, or how do i fix this?
[23:22] <XceII> kubuntu
[23:22] <ignoramus> Agent_bob: when i try it, ubuntu complains its a mounted file system, but its not even seen when unmounted... hmmm...
[23:23] <Agent_bob> so umount it first
[23:23] <ignoramus> Agent_bob: nm, it worked this time... thanks again
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> XceII: recovery mode is a grub boot menu option
[23:23] <XceII> in ubuntu?, i never seen it
[23:24] <Agent_bob> sudo umount /dev/<devicenode> ;sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/<samenode>          <<< like so
[23:24] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim that's   ffr
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> XceII: yup....
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: what?
[23:25] <kaminix> nspluginviewer keeps crashing after the last update. :/
[23:25] <Agent_bob> sorry nosrednaekim not @ you
[23:25] <XceII> let me try again, thanks
[23:25] <bruce_> join #synce
 that's   ffr
[23:25] <bigdad1e> how do i change my ip settings?
[23:25] <Tonren> My USB external drive isn't auto-mounting properly.  When I manually mount it, it works, but the auto-mount fails.
[23:25]  * Agent_bob hates when text scrolls just at exectly the WRONG moment...
[23:26] <virnik> hola: back
[23:26] <hola> virnik: help me
[23:26] <Tonren> It says, "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
[23:26] <Agent_bob> bigdad1e knetwork manager ?
[23:27] <bigdad1e> wont open for me
[23:27] <Agent_bob> bigdad1e static or dhcp ?
[23:27] <bigdad1e> dont really know
[23:27] <bigdad1e> new to all this
[23:28] <bigdad1e> trying to set up srcds and the ip is unkown so it wont work
[23:28] <Agent_bob> then what is about your ip that you are wanting to change ?
[23:28] <virnik> hola: glad to, but it seems hard to solve problem with such little info
[23:28] <hola> virnik: which info do you need
[23:28] <virnik> have u set default GW on your guest?
[23:29] <bigdad1e> Adent_bob: can you RDC with me?
[23:29] <bigdad1e> and show me how to get the ip to work?
[23:29] <hola> virnik: route add -net default gw <IP_ADDRESS> eth2
[23:30] <virnik> ok
[23:30] <virnik> so your GW have IP <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:30] <bigdad1e> i want my ip to be seen.
[23:30] <virnik> nice
[23:30] <virnik> now
[23:30] <yao_ziyuan> i wanna illustrate what's my dream os:
[23:30] <hola> it is host ip
[23:30] <Agent_bob> bigdad1e what i'm saying in essense is this.  you probably don't need to mess with your ip if it's working and you don't know anything about it.   and if you are trying to setup srcds and it is complaining about an ip then work on srcds not on the ip.
[23:30] <bigdad1e> when i start my srcds it comes up ipunknown
[23:30] <yao_ziyuan> http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/fedora8.png
[23:30] <virnik> what device is used to connect to LAN on your host?
[23:31] <yao_ziyuan> this is a fedora8-kde-livecd installed as a virtual machine
[23:31] <yao_ziyuan> two points:
[23:31] <yao_ziyuan> 1. it has kde 3.5.8
[23:31] <hola> virnik: i create a brdige br0 connected to eth0
[23:31] <virnik> hola: wait
[23:31] <virnik> hola: why bridge?
[23:31] <bigdad1e> ive looked all over and found nothing that helps me. i dont know what to do now
[23:31] <yao_ziyuan> 2. it has chinese input (the 3rd tray icon from right)
[23:31] <hola> virnik: and so i create a virtual interface vbox
[23:31] <virnik> ah
[23:31] <virnik> so again
[23:32] <virnik> no bridge please
[23:32] <virnik> destroy that device
[23:32] <Agent_bob> what is  srcds  anyway ?
[23:32] <virnik> u should have eth0 on host
[23:32] <virnik> and eth2 on guest
[23:32] <Daisuke_Ido> yao_ziyuan: it's not kubuntu, why are you bringing it up here?
[23:32] <bigdad1e> source dedicated server
[23:32] <virnik> eth0 on host shall have <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:32] <bigdad1e> for steam/counter strike source
[23:32] <yao_ziyuan> Daisuke_Ido: because i want kubuntu to support chinese input like this one
[23:32] <virnik> eth2 on guest shall have something like <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:33] <virnik> now u shall be able to ping from each to other
[23:33] <hydrogen> !skim | yao_ziyuan
[23:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skim - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:33] <hola> virnik: whitout bridge the cleitn ip is very different
[23:33] <yao_ziyuan> some clues:
[23:33] <hydrogen> !scim | yao_ziyuan
[23:33] <ubotu> yao_ziyuan: Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[23:33] <yao_ziyuan> 1. skim should be abandoned
[23:33] <Agent_bob> bigdad1e well i'm going to go out on a limb and say that when you configure srcds propperly for your system it will stop complaining about unknown ips
[23:33] <virnik> hola: just change it
[23:33] <virnik> to be in the same subnet
[23:33] <yao_ziyuan> those distros who support chinese input perfectly (ubuntu, fedora8) don't use skim at all (even for kde)
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> scim
[23:34] <hola> virnik: ok i have to close this connection now becouse is it attached with the bridge
[23:34] <Agent_bob> try pointing it at localhost     good for testing
[23:34] <hola> virnik: may you wait a minuto
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> but...  what do they use?
[23:34] <bigdad1e> i did everything they way it was in the tutorial i did them on windows no problem but never on linux
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> yao_ziyuan: just for the record, scim is the default in ubuntu
[23:35] <yao_ziyuan> Daisuke_Ido: yes
[23:35] <Agent_bob> bigdad1e maybe google.com/linux   search for a howto setup srcds
[23:35] <yao_ziyuan> Daisuke_Ido: kubuntu should follow exactly the same steps that ubuntu installs chinese input functionality
[23:36] <yao_ziyuan> Daisuke_Ido: that way there will be a scim-gtk-frontend tray icon, even for kde
[23:36] <Daisuke_Ido> ...huh?
[23:36] <bigdad1e> been doing them for 26 hours now. having been to bed yet reading and trying new things so i came here
[23:36] <Daisuke_Ido> scim is a the common input method, ot
[23:36] <sam64_> I was trying to make a disk for UbuntuStudio, but K3b wont recognise my disk
[23:36] <Daisuke_Ido> as far as i know, it's usable just fine in kde
[23:37] <yao_ziyuan> Daisuke_Ido: with kubuntu's current way of installing scim, it doesn't work
[23:37] <yao_ziyuan> Daisuke_Ido: kubuntu's current approach is to use "skim" as a middleman
[23:37] <bigdad1e> ill do it all over again and see what it does.
[23:37] <Daisuke_Ido> ...okay?
[23:37] <yao_ziyuan> Daisuke_Ido: and skim doesn't do the job at all
[23:38] <Agent_bob> yao_ziyuan "kubuntu should follow exactly the same steps that ubuntu installs chinese input functionality" <<< wrong.  one is gnome the other is kde  they should not follow the same methoods because they are different environments.   i realize that kubuntu is broken and you should file a bug and offer to help with the fix if you have some special insight on that issue.  but trolling this channel day after day about that will
[23:38] <Agent_bob> and you don't want that
[23:38] <yao_ziyuan> Agent_bob: i already filed one
[23:39] <yao_ziyuan> Agent_bob: yes i should put my new findings there
[23:39] <hexch> hello, how do I change premissions on hd so user can have root access to it alwaus ?
[23:39] <Daisuke_Ido> yao_ziyuan: so you sit back and wait, or you get the source and fix skim yourself
[23:39] <hexch> always*
[23:39] <yao_ziyuan> Daisuke_Ido: my finding is that we should abandom skim and use the ubuntu/fedora way
[23:40] <Agent_bob> yao_ziyuan yes you should.  and you can update this channel but don't make a big deal out of something that most people can't do anything about anyway
[23:40] <Daisuke_Ido> what *is* the fedora way
[23:41] <Agent_bob> yao_ziyuan they neither want to hear you complain about skim nor me compalin about timezone configurations.  both are in need of fixing.   but these guys aren't the ones to do it.
[23:42] <Agent_bob> nor me complain about kdm writing in /root   which i have done in the past...  ;/
[23:45] <yao_ziyuan> i filed this before: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skim/+bug/181300
[23:45] <yao_ziyuan> and i have found how to solve it
[23:45] <yao_ziyuan> i will put the solution both here and on the report
[23:45] <xxBasYxx> How can I set up one keyborad shortcut when editing text for two actions: 1) select from kurzor to end of line 2) delete selection ... plz ?
[23:45] <hola2> virnik: are you there
[23:46] <Daisuke_Ido> yao_ziyuan: don't post it here
[23:46] <yao_ziyuan> ok
[23:46] <Daisuke_Ido> just put it in the bug report
[23:48] <yao_ziyuan> then some general comments:
[23:48] <yao_ziyuan> i think ubuntu/kubuntu's biggest competitor is fedora
[23:51] <sam64_> Linux isn't about competition
[23:51] <hola2> virnik: are you there
[23:53] <Midtronic> howdy, I'm trying to set up a second keyboard as dvorak.. it's recognized and working, I just don't know where to change the settings for it
[23:54] <marcus_> hello. i have a slight problem. Apparently I need to have a lib to make my packages work. Can anybody tell me the command line option to fix this?
[23:56] <Midtronic> sudo apt-get install <lib>
[23:58] <marcus_> but i have 68 packages that can not install so i dont know if i can do that.
[23:59] <Midtronic> the dependencies should be taken care of by apt


[02:24] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:43] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[08:12] <ducasse> good morning
[10:39] <Donald_> can Ubuntu upgrade from 20.04LTS to 21.10 directly?
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> no Donald_
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> you need to jump to every next release first
[10:40] <Donald_> I see...
[10:40] <Donald_> that is why it shows upgrade to 21.04 only...
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> Donald_: is that what you want, to switch from lts to non lts?
[10:42] <Donald_> I have changed the config file. I am on 20.04LTS now, I want to upgrade it to 21.10 directly.
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> Donald_: the 'config' file?
[10:45] <Donald_> this file
[10:45] <Donald_> "/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades"
[10:45] <Donald_> change the Prompt from lts to normal.
[10:46] <Donald_> Then, run the command "do-release-upgrade"
[10:48] <ducasse> yeah, you need to do it in steps or clean install
[10:52] <PaulW2U> The upgrade process has always been confusing (to me) and now that 20.10 is EOL even more so. The Release notes for 21.10 only mention upgrading from 21.04 so I suggest waiting for 22.04 (LTS to LTS) or a clean install of 21.10.
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah i would go for PaulW2U idea too
[11:43] <guiverc> Donald_, There is the capacity to upgrade 20.04 to 21.04 (the next supported release; it's skipping the intended 20.10, but it's a QA-testcase & is automatically/CI tested even if not a mandatory testcase) - but not 20.04 to 21.10 currently, only 21.04 or next supported release  (when 21.04 is EOL, the upgrade will go from 20.04 to 21.10 directly - but it's not as tested as via all cycles)
[11:44] <Donald_> Ok, understood. Maybe it is better to have a clean install.
[11:45] <guiverc> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/424/builds/238347/testcases
[11:47] <guiverc> I don't know if you're asking about desktop or server install; but I like an *upgrade via re-install* (or 'install using existing partition' in lubuntu's testcase) where it's not a clean install.. i qa-test & jumped from 21.04, 21.10, 20.04.3, 21.10, 18.04.6, 21.10 (if I recall correctly last few months) on an install without loosing my installed apps, music etc..   (it was still a test machine though!)
[11:55]  * guiverc just noticed that qa-test said  LTS(bionic)->impish  (it should have said focal->impish), that may not build 'confidence'
[21:37] <cbreak> I like kde plasma a lot more than the ubuntu gnome default desktop.
[21:42] <cbreak> virtual desktops work nicer, the title bar works nicer, no dock that I don't need, and I can make it look nicer
[21:44] <daftykins> mm, a dock seems like a waste of pixels to me
[21:47] <cbreak> yes, the ubuntu default UI has it on the left, the plasma UI has one on the bottom, but I can move it to the top and remove all the pieces I don't want


[00:23] <cjohnston> jamalta: shhhh
[00:23] <cjohnston> mhall119 is as well
[00:23] <jamalta> ah cool
[00:24] <jamalta> cjohnston: what are you doing up? isn't it like 1am there?
[00:24] <jamalta> :P
[00:24] <cjohnston> ya..
[00:24] <cjohnston> working on starting to reset my clock
[00:24] <cjohnston> just left the party too
[00:24] <cjohnston> jamalta: we assigned you a bunch of work items
[00:25] <jamalta> cjohnston: o.o whaaat?
[00:25] <jamalta> doing what?
[00:25] <cjohnston> you know django right
[00:25] <jamalta> also, how long are you all there for?
[00:25] <jamalta> cjohnston: yeah
[00:25] <cjohnston> mhall119 and I and prolly two dozen others leave at 1155
[00:25] <cjohnston> jamalta: summit, loco-directory, and hall of fame
[00:25] <mhall119> cjohnston: I want that picture of nigel
[00:26] <jamalta> cjohnston: oh cool
[00:26] <cjohnston> mhall119: hehehe
[00:26] <jamalta> we should totally meet up while i'm in town in a few weeks! if you have time.
[00:26] <cjohnston> mhall119: i just voluntold jamalta
[00:26] <jamalta> the event is up on the loco dir.
[00:26] <mhall119> cjohnston was mostly just causing trouble, don't let him fool ya
[00:26] <jamalta> mhall119: oh, ok!
[00:26] <jamalta> i don't mind though, it'd be cool :)
[00:26] <cjohnston> i didnt cause any trouble anywhere
[00:26] <mhall119> I didn't say you were good at it
[00:26] <jamalta> hehe
[00:27] <cjohnston> Mon, 30 May 2011 17:00 - 12:00 EST should be 0000
[00:27] <cjohnston> i wasnt the one testing code on the live summit site
[00:27] <mhall119> true
[00:27] <jamalta> Hahaha!
[00:28] <mhall119> I wasn't either
[00:28] <cjohnston> Mon, 30 May 2011 17:00 - 00:00 ES
[00:28] <jamalta> I test on prod all the time... but shhhh you didn't hear that from me!
[00:28] <cjohnston> jamalta: i assume thats the time you wanted?
[00:28] <mhall119> cjohnston: http://imgur.com/gallery/y7Hm9
[00:28] <jamalta> the time on the event is screwed?
[00:28] <jamalta> haha, yeah i saw that... awesome pic.
[00:28] <cjohnston> look at what i posted here
[00:29] <cjohnston> i like it
[00:29] <jamalta> oops, clicked on north dakota by accident and was confused at the empty event list
[00:29] <mhall119> posted where?
[00:29] <cjohnston> above
[00:29] <cjohnston> 192527 hrs
[00:29] <jamalta> oh yeah, i meant 17:00 - 20:00
[00:29] <mhall119> that's a lot of hours
[00:30] <mhall119> also, the timestamps are local to you clock, not mine
[00:30] <jamalta> 5-8pm?
[00:30] <jamalta> i should probably just make that 6pm
[00:33] <jamalta> eh it'll be alright
[00:33] <jamalta> in any case i should be back in fl not long after and we can meet up again! (if things go as expected)
[00:33] <jamalta> FL FTW!
[00:33] <jamalta> :]
[00:41] <cjohnston> blah
[00:41] <cjohnston> mhall119: what are you still doing up
[00:42] <mhall119> trying to get in-memory postgres working on loco-directory so I can run django-openid-auth tests faster
[00:43] <mhall119> also talking to MichelleQ
[00:43] <cjohnston> ic
[00:44] <mhall119> we couldn't all bring our wifes with us
[00:44] <cjohnston> not my fault
[00:44] <mhall119> well who should I blame? popey?
[00:44] <cjohnston> sure
[00:44] <cjohnston> or nigelb
[00:46] <mhall119> I can't believe he broke a wine glass.... :(
[00:46] <cjohnston> lol
[01:44] <MichelleQ> whosawhatsis?
[01:44] <MichelleQ> I suddenly noticed I had an alert.
[01:46] <tiemonster> jamalta: are you around?
[02:16] <tiemonster> ok. back.
[02:16] <tiemonster> this keyboard is SO SMALL!!!
[02:17] <tiemonster> hehe. wrong channel.
[03:19] <jamalta> O.o
[03:19] <jamalta> tiemonster pings me, says the weirdest things, and just quits.... ok.
[14:19] <twoaday> hello
[16:20] <bluebomber> Hi
[16:21] <bluebomber> Does anyone here know how to launch multiple instances of a program from the Unity dock?


[08:51] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[08:53] <darkxst> ricotz, layout wise, does something like https://github.com/darkxst/mtest work for you (for packaging branches)
[08:58] <darkxst> ricotz, repo is built using git-buildpackage and friends, I have a local script that pulls in and ubuntu packaging branch (from bzr when that exists)
[09:31] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, i would prefere packaging-only branches
[09:31] <darkxst> ricotz, I couldnt get them to work with git-buildpackage, have you done that?
[09:32] <ricotz> no, git-buildpackage requires the full source, doesnt it?
[09:33] <darkxst> ricotz, I believe so, that is why I went with that
[09:33] <ricotz> i would like to avoid creating such huge branches
[09:33] <darkxst> (layout)
[09:34] <ricotz> but i guess this is the common sense using pristine-tar branches
[09:35] <darkxst> ricotz, any idea what pkg-gnome team are planning when they move to git?
[09:36] <darkxst> ricotz, that repo doesnt have a pristine-tar branch, but yes I do plan to include that, otherwise we mess up the orig tarballs
[09:36] <ricotz> to have decentralized repo
[09:36] <ricotz> not sure about the actual layout they want to use
[09:37] <ricotz> and yeah if you want to rely on git-buildpackage then *use* pristine-tar
[09:38]  * ricotz needs to grab lunch
[09:38] <darkxst> ricotz, ok
[11:04] <ricotz> darkxst, btw, in case of mutter, it should be synced from debian
[11:04] <ricotz> there is no ubuntu delta needed
[11:11] <darkxst> ricotz, yes, that repo was just a straight import of the ppa packages
[11:15] <darkxst> and I just chose something that had a delta between utopic and trusty