[00:00] <Duckboot> *sigh*
[00:00] <capum321> it's your first time with awk? i don't want to be in your place now!
[00:00] <capum321> this is the easier way
[00:01] <capum321> haha
[00:01] <Duckboot> Nah - not the first time with awk...
[00:01] <Duckboot> Just hoped for the last time
[00:03] <Duckboot> capum321: This should do it: http://pastebin.com/xy61ff3T
[00:03] <Duckboot> (I think)
[00:05] <capum321> don't wait for me, i have to look it up
[00:05] <Duckboot> ;-P
[00:05] <james_> is pci-stub built into the kernel?
[00:08] <pflanze> Hello. After copying an installation with full disk encryption to another drive (from a USB flash drive to an HDD), how to I "install" grub to make it bootable?
[00:09] <capum321> duckboot 's/^[a-zA-Z].*//g' and '/^\s*$/d' what do they do?
[00:10] <james_> sudo grub-install /dev/sdX
[00:10] <james_> not /dev/sdXY
[00:10] <pflanze> james_, how does it find the boot partition? I gave it a --boot-directory but that didn't work
[00:10] <james_> what's your device?
[00:10] <Duckboot> capum321: Removes anything but the actual packagename
[00:11] <james_> the drive you're installing grub to
[00:11] <pflanze> sdb, sdb2=boot, sdb3=lvm
[00:12] <pflanze> (sdb2 was copied from sda3 and sdb3 from sda4, IIRC, sda being the flash drive)
[00:12] <pflanze> Of course once the flash drive is gone, sda will be my main disk.
[00:12] <capum321> i guess it will keep sdb ?
[00:13] <Duckboot> capum321: 's/^[a-zA-Z].*//g' - Remove anything starting with a letter (all packagelines starts with a ' ')
[00:13] <pflanze> capum321, well, yes, *something* like that, and the man page is exactly omitting this kind of info.
[00:14] <OneM_Industries> So, just had a bit of an accident. I just accidentally (oops) killed the process compiz.
[00:14] <capum321> i liked the oops!
[00:14] <capum321> haha
[00:14] <Duckboot> capum321: As long as it isn't OOM.
[00:15] <OneM_Industries> What do I need to recover anything that may have been lost?
[00:15] <Duckboot> There should not be anything lost?
[00:16] <OneM_Industries> And also, what exactly is compiz?
[00:16] <Duckboot> http://www.compiz.org/
[00:16] <Duckboot> So - Nothing lost.
[00:17] <OneM_Industries> Odd..
[00:17] <Duckboot> Please elaborate
[00:18] <OneM_Industries> After I killed it, the computer went to the login screen, then went to the desktop with nothing open.
[00:18] <Duckboot> Hihi - Sorry - Read on http://www.compiz.org/ what it is.
[00:18] <Duckboot> Reboot
[00:19] <Duckboot> Or restart X
[00:19] <kgb> o/ hey, pplz!! :)) anyone know why #xubuntu && #xubuntu-offtopic has had a bio-chemical terrorist attack and nobody there wants to speak?? :DD
[00:19] <OneM_Industries> Well, everything is back up now.
[00:19] <tgm4883> kgb: what's the issue?
[00:19] <OneM_Industries> Well, good to know nothing too bad happened. Thank you!
[00:19] <Duckboot> OneM_Industries: Compiz is eyecandy for the desktop.  Got it.
[00:21] <kgb> tgm4883: on a regular install, removing Compiz - you mean? o.0 RLY?? :-0
[00:21] <kgb> hm
[00:22] <zorak> when i start the system there is no unity and if i run it from a terminal i get the next message
[00:22] <zorak> $ unity
[00:22] <zorak> unity-panel-service stop/waiting
[00:22] <zorak> unity7 stop/waiting
[00:22] <zorak> unity7 start/running, process 5236
[00:22] <zorak> unity-panel-service start/running, process 5234
[00:22] <teward> !pastebin | zorak
[00:22] <Duckboot> And why would anyone want compiz or unity???
[00:23] <kgb> Duckboot: SRSLY, that was -exactly- my next question. xD
[00:23] <Duckboot> \o/
[00:23] <tgm4883> Duckboot: lots of reasons. Looks good OOTB, default install, most guides are written with it in mind
[00:23] <tgm4883> but that's all really ot
[00:24] <Duckboot> <--- Oldschool
[00:24] <capum321> duckboot ok i understand s/someregex/ is the term to start a regex?
[00:24] <OneM_Industries> Too lazy to change it, it works, and also, I may have tweaked it a bit.
[00:27] <Duckboot> capum321: Do you use vi?
[00:27] <Duckboot> (or vim
[00:27] <Duckboot> )
[00:27] <Duckboot> s is substitute
[00:28] <ddd333> my new all in one pc came with ubuntu 14.04. it did some updates, but how do i jump to 16.04? it says nothing anymore.
[00:28] <Duckboot> and the g on the end is for the whole line
[00:28] <tgm4883> !ltsupgrade | ddd333
[00:29] <ddd333> oh tgm4883 ty very much friend
[00:29] <capum321> duck i started using linux, not more than 1or 2 months ago. hadn't use vim yet
[00:29] <ddd333> tgm4883: the big question: should i update to 16.04.1?
[00:29] <capum321> consistently
[00:30] <tgm4883> ddd333: that's up to you. I like it
[00:31] <ddd333> tgm4883: i have 4gb ram and Intel® Celeron(R) CPU N3150 @ 1.60GHz × 4 - should i update on july 21st?
[00:31] <Duckboot> capum321: Aah - I started using linux back in .... -94 I think.
[00:32] <tgm4883> ddd333: I would
[00:32] <capum321> this is truly a lifetime
[00:32] <ddd333> ty again tgm4883
[00:32] <Duckboot> capum321: Was on 386BSD before that.
[00:32] <ddd333> i love ubuntu T_T
[00:33] <capum321> the other day i was seeing this chart with linux distro history
[00:34] <DaveNull> You should always upgrade to latest LTS version for security reasins (older versions) won't be supported forever)
[00:34] <tgm4883> DaveNull: Generally yes, that is true
[00:34] <capum321> ins't lts for one who i aquire the support service?
[00:35] <capum321> will acquire the support service*
[00:35] <DaveNull> But if you find out your computer is too slow, you can still switch to Lubuntu (= Ubuntu with LXDE, a Lightweight desktop environment)
[00:35] <ddd333> DaveNull: i was worried my hardware won't deliver with 16.04
[00:36] <kgb> DaveNull: if you're gonna go with Lubunutu, instead of the (AWESOME, hehe) Xubuntu, might was well use minimal CD - and then add stuff. ;dP
[00:36] <kgb> (idk WHY Lubuntu irks me - to hell and back, hehe)
[00:36] <capum321> ddd333 https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops/
[00:36] <ddd333> lubuntu is as heavy as ubuntu. i didn't notice any difference
[00:36] <capum321> use LXDE and below
[00:36] <Duckboot> awesome is smooooth
[00:36] <tgm4883> Can we stay on topic?
[00:36] <ddd333> but ubuntu is not heavy by any means
[00:37] <capum321> duckboot isn't $ for substitute?
[00:37]  * Duckboot was a E16 user until it all fell apart
[00:38] <kgb> ddd333: it's (like, SERIOUSLY) gettin' there - especially with the new LTS; kinda surprising how it wants to preload the kitchen sink, as well. :-f
[00:40] <lDropdeadl> test
[00:40] <DaveNull> ddd333, geberally if it works with an LTS version, it will work with that version+1 (still LTS), 0 risk doesn't exist in computing, but in this case the risk is quite minimal
[00:40] <DaveNull> generally*
[00:40] <Duckboot> lDropdeadl: test failed
[00:40] <ddd333> when updating inside ubuntu 14.04 i just got this message and i got scared it wouldn't restart but it did: ": Unable to find an initial ram disk that I know how to handle. Will not try to make an initrd."
[00:41] <Duckboot> ramdisk - That's a word I haven't heard in a couple of years
[00:41] <ddd333> DaveNull: ty
[00:42] <DaveNull> You're welcome
[00:44] <DaveNull> By the way, Much GNU/Linux users are power users, so if have a problem, chances to find someone who can help are quite high
[00:44] <DaveNull> if you*
[00:45] <kgb> DaveNull: well, then, would you -much- mind:
[00:45] <kgb> [01:33:16] <kgb> o/ sup pplz!..:) hey, guys, eye HATE asking for help (bc, we should be able 2 figure it out, heh. :)); BUT, having had upgraded from Ubuntu 15.10 to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS I do NOT have *functional* Perl, even though everything seems to be installed!.. What's going on, for example, is that I can't load HexChat (XChat2) Plugins which require Perl; in fact, it's not there - it's not getting loaded - I don't understand it? o.0
[00:45] <capum321> 'modprobe rtl8187' load up log has this "wlx00aa11bb22cc: renamed from wlan0" how this happened? I mean shouldn't it be wlan0 ?
[00:45] <kgb> [..] is there a way to get a list of Perl files necessary to function - so that I can paste it here - and then ask WTH is going on?? :DD
[00:47] <Tin_man> kgb, why don't you sudo apt-get remove hexchat, then purge, then re-install?
[00:47] <draxdeveloper> capum321, have to leave to eat. I just installed list of libs that someone recomended on google
[00:48] <capum321> ok
[00:48] <DaveNull> Kgb, do you have any error message?
[00:49] <capum321> draxdeveloper: did you resolve it?
[00:49] <kgb> Tin_man: tyvm, it does NOT seem to be HexChat; everything is working *fine* as it had; prior to "losing" Perl - upon upgrade - Python, everything else, loads-works - just fine: http://i.imgur.com/62d0TVJ.png
[00:49] <kgb> DaveNull: none, that I can see; give me just a moment, please!!
[00:49] <draxdeveloper> capum321, now i searching libevdev
[00:50] <kgb> DaveNull: it refuses to see Perl, "[02:50:02]  Unknown file type .config/hexchat/addons/showhighlight.pl. Maybe you need to install the Perl or Python plugin?"
[00:50] <DaveNull> Capum321 looks like a it's a name using your MAC address, as far as I can remember, it's a new name convention, which have something to do with systemd, if i recall correctly
[00:51] <DaveNull> It's weird but not an issue
[00:51] <james_> is it safe to remove the radeon module if  idon't intend to use it?
[00:51] <kgb> ^^ as in, it doesn't load it: http://i.imgur.com/62d0TVJ.png
[00:52] <capum321> draxdeveloper: dude i completely forgot about you
[00:52] <capum321> draxdeveloper: are you want the source or deb?
[00:52] <capum321> do*
[00:52] <DaveNull> Kgb, I use perl/python scripts for XChat2 (on Debian) but can't remember who I enable it, let me think for a moment, so I try to remeber if a had to install any package
[00:53] <draxdeveloper> campu321, i qant to patch.
[00:53] <draxdeveloper> but the patch is asking for the source
[00:53] <capum321> draxdeveloper: no, we were at the source thing right
[00:53] <draxdeveloper> ok, made the make install... Still, no source
[00:53] <OerHeks> likely this plugin needs an update, kgb http://orvp.net/xchat/showhighlight/
[00:53] <kgb> DaveNull: Yes, please... If I can give you a list of what I got - or something?? Because: everything was *just fine* in 15.10 before upgrading to 16.04 LTS
[00:53] <Tin_man> kgb, found this on google: https://www.howtoinstall.co/en/ubuntu/xenial/perl-base
[00:54] <draxdeveloper> maybe i need to reboot?
[00:54] <kgb> OerHeks: tyvm, I *do* have the latest one (and everything WAS working perfectly fine - prior to the upgrade :))
[00:55] <capum321> xserver-xorg-input-evdev-dev
[00:55] <kgb> Tin_man: thank you, sir!.. gonna look at it, promptly!! :))
[00:55] <capum321> draxdeveloper: what is missing? the libdev?
[00:55] <draxdeveloper> capum321, no, i finished the make install
[00:55] <kgb> ^^ although Synaptic reports everything as cool, meh. :-/
[00:55] <capum321> draxdeveloper: all right
[00:56] <draxdeveloper> now i am trying to apply the patch in the evdev
[00:56] <Tin_man> np, hope it gets resolved..
[00:56]  * kgb goes away to take a closer look at all this... thanks again!! Tin_man, DaveNull, everyone :DD
[00:56] <DaveNull> Wait
[00:56] <kgb> k?
[00:57] <DaveNull> Do you have hexchat-perl package installed
[00:57] <capum321> draxdeveloper: what make install? isn't debuild?
[00:57] <draxdeveloper> to install the tar.gz
[00:57] <draxdeveloper> http://pastebin.com/V2uqi13A
[00:57] <kgb> (It's, really, driving me up the wall - that's why I'm bothering the # with questions; otherwise I would, honestly, just keep trying to figure it out :))
[00:57] <capum321> did you compile the package?
[00:58] <draxdeveloper> this is the files of the evdev
[00:58] <kgb> DaveNull...
[00:59] <capum321> draxdeveloper: have compiled the source package?
[00:59] <DaveNull> dpkg -l | grep hexchat-perl should return the package name if it's installed, or nothing if it isn't
[00:59] <kgb> Would you believe me if I fold you that the package is NOT installed (*loads a gun*)
[00:59] <draxdeveloper> capum321, how i do this? I just have extracted the tar.gz
[00:59] <kgb> Jesus Christ.
[00:59] <capum321> draxdeveloper: i don't think you should make install this tar.gz
[01:00] <capum321> you should extract it
[01:00] <OerHeks> !cookie | DaveNull
[01:00] <draxdeveloper> capum321 i extracted, mbut then i followed the other steps (./configure, etc)
[01:00] <DaveNull> Thank you
[01:00] <kgb> yeah, well, thanks for not laughing at me, blah. xD
[01:00] <OerHeks> reinstall perl could done this too
[01:01] <draxdeveloper> campu321, -zxvf xserver-xorg-input-evdev_2.10.1.orig.tar.gz
[01:01] <kgb> OerHeks: done it, already, I swear....
[01:01] <OerHeks> but good thinking, seen this before too.
[01:01] <draxdeveloper> then ./configure, make, make install
[01:01] <capum321> draxdeveloper: i think you should patch the folder you extracted! not run this steps on README ?!
[01:02] <draxdeveloper> capum321, yeah. But is not working what he said
[01:03] <DaveNull> Perl installs perl libraries and excutables to execute perl systemwide, while hexchat-perl only enables hexchat to use systemwide perl installation, it's an interface between hexchat and perl, but not a dependancy of perl, it's optional
[01:03] <draxdeveloper> campu321 ,if i try into the folder it's says
[01:03] <draxdeveloper> patch: **** read error : Is a directory
[01:04] <capum321> did you extracted then cd xf86-input-evdev-2.10.1
[01:04] <DaveNull> Making it a dependancy of perm would be non-sens because it would force perl users/distros with perl installed to have an optional package which is useless without hexchat
[01:05] <draxdeveloper> capum321... Ah... Now i got it.
[01:05] <draxdeveloper> will try this
[01:05] <capum321> go drax, go!
[01:06] <draxdeveloper> capum321, hahahah. I think i need to put the patch file IN the xf86-input-evdev folder, right?
[01:07] <DaveNull> So kgb, does it work now?
[01:08] <Mitchell92> Hello. I'm finding an issue, ubuntu has "dummy output" for my sound... rather than my real speakers / sound card? at times it switches over eventually if i go through configuration... any way to fix this?
[01:09] <capum321> draxdeveloper: i think it should be like path -p 1 < path/to/file../evdev-debounce.patch
[01:09] <capum321> something like that
[01:09] <capum321> without the double dots
[01:09] <draxdeveloper> aaaaa, i tought that i should just leave that way
[01:09] <draxdeveloper> patch -p 1 < ../evdev-debounce-2.92.patch
[01:10] <capum321> ok
[01:10] <draxdeveloper> like a search feature, don't know
[01:10] <capum321> tell me what have worked?!
[01:11] <DaveNull> drax, when you install something from a tar.gz, you should NEVER move or rename any file, that would only break things
[01:11] <draxdeveloper> capum321, it's seems that the shell is doing something... DOn't know what
[01:12] <draxdeveloper> capum321, i put the patch into the src folder and the patch -p 1 evdev-debounce-2.92.patch
[01:12] <DaveNull> So ciao everyone, I need to leave
[01:12] <capum321> davenull don't scare the kid ok?
[01:12] <DaveNull> Ok
[01:12] <capum321> haha
[01:12] <DaveNull> Not trying to scare him, well maybe :)
[01:13] <draxdeveloper> campu321, now the cursor is just blinking on the next shell line, doing nothing... I think he is patching, right?
[01:13] <capum321> drax developer you have to use the dashes and the < symbols where you have to use it all right?
[01:15] <capum321> draxdeveloper: isn't evdev-debounce.patch the name of the patch?
[01:15] <draxdeveloper> yep
[01:15] <capum321> where you get the other one?
[01:16] <draxdeveloper> capum321, xf86-input-evdev-2.10.1?
[01:16] <capum321> no
[01:16] <capum321>  evdev-debounce-2.92.patch
[01:16] <draxdeveloper> in a link on the original site
[01:16] <draxdeveloper> since the patch in the site was oudated
[01:16] <draxdeveloper> (this one is 2, since evdev is in the version 2.10)
[01:17] <capum321> i see great work
[01:18] <draxdeveloper> aaaaa, it's not patching :( the process just hangs. I can try this: Note: I use Funtoo and simply put it in /etc/portage/patches/x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev directory and emerged it
[01:20] <capum321> draxdeveloper: have you used the correct commands?
[01:20] <capum321> draxdeveloper: don't know if it works that way?!
[01:21] <draxdeveloper> patch -p 1 /evdev-debounce-2.92.patch
[01:21] <draxdeveloper> if i use < jus don't work
[01:21] <draxdeveloper> just
[01:22] <nacc> draxdeveloper: do you know how patch works? it reads from stdin
[01:23] <nacc> draxdeveloper: you almost always do `patch -p<num> < patchfile`
[01:23] <nacc> draxdeveloper: are you using funtoo now? you should ask them for support if so
[01:24] <draxdeveloper> no, i am not using funtoo nacc
[01:24] <draxdeveloper> it's just, the patch is not working :(
[01:25] <draxdeveloper> the patch file should be in a special folderw
[01:25] <draxdeveloper> ?
[01:25] <nacc> draxdeveloper: i've no context, and not really goign to spend much time on it, but pastebin the outupt of `patch -p1 < evdev-debounce-2.92-patch`
[01:25] <capum321> < doesn't work?
[01:25] <nacc> draxdeveloper: no, you should specify the path to the patch file, taht's all
[01:25] <nacc> draxdeveloper: i'm assuming you know where the patch file itself is
[01:25] <draxdeveloper> nacc
[01:25] <draxdeveloper> yeo
[01:25] <draxdeveloper> yep (sorry)
[01:25] <nacc> draxdeveloper: ok, pastebin that output
[01:27] <draxdeveloper> http://pastebin.com/6aqUzpX3
[01:27] <nacc> draxdeveloper: it's etiher being run from the wrong directory, or with the wrong -p option
[01:28] <capum321>  / path/to/file../evdev-debounce.patch remember?
[01:28] <draxdeveloper> hum... i will change to this include dir
[01:28] <nacc> draxdeveloper: if you do that, you'll need to pass -p2
[01:28] <nacc> as you need to strip 2 directories if you're in the include directory
[01:29] <draxdeveloper> yep, but i cd direct to the dir where the file is
[01:29] <nacc> draxdeveloper: you should be running it, based upon the diff header, from ~/Downloads/evdev/xf86-input-evdev-2.10.1/ with -p1
[01:29] <nacc> draxdeveloper: honestly, it seems like this may not be the advisable approach if it's this difficult; patching is quite easy :)
[01:29] <capum321> yeah not src
[01:30] <draxdeveloper> http://pastebin.com/EWSgTbZC =D
[01:30] <nacc> draxdeveloper: yes, it worked ... although with that much context change, you may need to verify the results
[01:30] <capum321> great
[01:31] <draxdeveloper> now it's says to compile and install
[01:31] <draxdeveloper> so, to i have to ./configure the patch version right?
[01:31] <draxdeveloper> (then make, make install)
[01:31] <capum321> dch -i
[01:31] <capum321> back to guntram tutotial
[01:32] <capum321> debuild -us -uc -b
[01:32] <draxdeveloper> apt-get source xserver-xorg-input-evdev-dev ?
[01:33] <capum321> draxdeveloper: are you lost the hell ? you just did the four first lines of the first squarte box
[01:33] <capum321> now go to the 5th
[01:33] <draxdeveloper> sorry, first time doing this
[01:34] <capum321> drax
[01:34] <capum321> wait
[01:34] <draxdeveloper> capum321?
[01:35] <capum321> i think you should sudo apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-input-evdev-dev-2.10.1 accordingly
[01:35] <capum321> try apt-cache search xserver-xorg-input-evdev-dev
[01:35] <draxdeveloper> no, this line never worked because he said i don't have the source
[01:36] <capum321> are you sure?
[01:36] <j> test
[01:36] <qih> j: Fail
[01:36] <draxdeveloper> capum321, this one you said i don't know
[01:36] <draxdeveloper> http://pastebin.com/w6fNA0Ww
[01:37] <capum321> doesn't have xenial?
[01:37] <nacc> draxdeveloper: are you attempting to build a debian package?
[01:37] <capum321> sudo apt-get build-dep  xserver-xorg-input-evdev-dev
[01:37] <capum321> don't copy it has double spaces
[01:38] <draxdeveloper> nacc, no. I am attepiting to patch the evdev so i can debounce my mouse
[01:38] <capum321> you should run this first
[01:38] <nacc> capum321: why are you using debuild if draxdeveloper doesn't need to build a .deb?
[01:39] <draxdeveloper> nacc http://blog.guntram.de/?p=16
[01:39] <capum321> http://blog.guntram.de/?p=16
[01:39] <draxdeveloper> nacc, it's the only way that i have.
[01:39] <capum321> draxdeveloper: now what? did you ran?
[01:40] <draxdeveloper> capum321, it's says that it can't find a source to xserver-xorg-input-evdev-dev
[01:40] <nacc> ugh ugh ugh
[01:40] <capum321> humm
[01:40] <nacc> that blog post is wrong on at least one level
[01:40] <capum321> ok then go to 5th line
[01:40] <nacc> bad version string
[01:40] <nacc> 2.8.2-1ubuntu2 will end up overriding, potentially, an actual Ubuntu version
[01:40] <capum321> yes, we deal with that
[01:41] <capum321> dealed
[01:41] <nacc> draxdeveloper: if you're patching an Ubuntu version, your version should be (imo) <ubuntuversion+1>~drax or wahtever...
[01:41] <draxdeveloper> nacc, yeah... the actual one is this: https://github.com/yuyuyak/input-evdev-debounce.patch
[01:41] <nacc> ok
[01:41] <nacc> draxdeveloper: it's independent of the patch (version string)
[01:42] <capum321> he is talking about the xorg-xserver
[01:42] <nacc> yes, i think you're patching xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[01:42] <nacc> a) i would put this in a PPA
[01:42] <capum321> do the 5th line would you?
[01:43] <nacc> b) make sure your version, if building for 16.04 is something like 2.10.1-1ubuntu3~ppa1
[01:43] <draxdeveloper> http://pastebin.com/BguR22Zh
[01:43] <nacc> that way when/if 2.10.1-1ubuntu3, you'll get updated, things will break and you'll know you need to refresh your patch (because presumably the ubuntu developers put out a new release for a reason)
[01:43] <draxdeveloper> nacc, we don't have a 2.10 version :(
[01:43] <nacc> draxdeveloper: what ubuntu are you building for?
[01:43] <draxdeveloper> xenial nacc
[01:44] <nacc> draxdeveloper: uh...
[01:44] <capum321> draxdeveloper: what folder are you currently?
[01:44] <nacc> draxdeveloper: the patch applied fine (well, needed a refresh due to context) to the xenial version,as you just pasted, no?
[01:44] <nacc> draxdeveloper: so ... you hve the 2.10 version
[01:44] <nacc> this also seems like not ubuntu support, but just my opinion :) did you or anyone else file an ubuntu bug for this?
[01:45] <draxdeveloper> capum321 xf86-input-evdev-2.10.1
[01:45] <draxdeveloper> nacc, this is something ubuntu is not implementing in the kernel (debouncing the mouse) i don't know why
[01:46] <nacc> LP: #602809
[01:46] <capum321> draxdeveloper: did you use dash in -i ?
[01:47] <draxdeveloper> capum321, yep
[01:47] <capum321> let's try another path
[01:47] <capum321> enter source folder
[01:48] <draxdeveloper> ok
[01:48] <nacc> fwiw, that person (the blog post you mentioned) refers to the xserver ML, which does say they'd reconsider once a test suite exists. Has anyone checked if that's the case now?
[01:48] <draxdeveloper> nacc, tried to found... Don't have sure if it's have but google returned me just this.
[01:49] <draxdeveloper> in fact, it was someone on a ubuntu group
[01:49] <notadeveloper> asd
[01:49] <capum321> run the command?
[01:50] <nacc> https://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2015/08/msg00020.html someone did try to push it to debian last year, it seems
[01:51] <draxdeveloper> capum321, same thing
[01:51] <draxdeveloper> nacc, but someone implemented it?
[01:53] <nacc> draxdeveloper: no the response was get it fixed upstream (and then i see no followups)
[01:53] <nacc> draxdeveloper: so probably someone should try to submit it to xserver again
[01:54] <nacc> draxdeveloper: you ran `apt-get source` from some directory, right?
[01:54] <nacc> draxdeveloper: it downloaded to subdirectory of that directory; cd to there and then run `dch -i`
[01:55] <capum321> are you sure you are on correct path?
[01:55] <capum321> maybe the patch is outdated?
[01:55] <draxdeveloper> capum321, i think it is :(
[01:55] <nacc> it'll probably be ~/Downloads/evdev/xf86-input-evdev-2.10.1
[01:55] <nacc> what?
[01:55] <nacc> capum321: draxdeveloper already applied the patch
[01:56] <draxdeveloper> because it's for 2.92
[01:56] <nacc> although note, that's not how debian package building works and it will probably fail
[01:56] <draxdeveloper> but i have 2.10
[01:56] <nacc> draxdeveloper: do you want me to just build you a package? :)
[01:56] <draxdeveloper> nacc, i would ty :)
[01:56] <nacc> draxdeveloper: give me 15 minutes?
[01:56] <draxdeveloper> i need to learn linux in depp...
[01:56] <draxdeveloper> nacc, take every time you need
[01:56] <Khaotic> depth*
[01:57] <capum321> nacc could him use the debian patch?
[01:57] <capum321> https://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2015/08/msg00020.html ?]
[01:57] <nacc> capum321: maybe, didn't check yet
[01:57] <capum321> nacc you are my hero
[01:58] <draxdeveloper> capum321, yeah :)
[01:58] <capum321> allow him to work, give him space!
[01:58] <capum321> haha
[02:02] <zorak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/18206341/
[02:02] <zorak> try to open unity but fail inmediatly
[02:02] <zorak> like 2 frames
[02:04] <nacc> draxdeveloper: https://launchpad.net/~nacc/+archive/ubuntu/drax ... unsupported (by me or anyone else :)
[02:05] <draxdeveloper> ty =D
[02:05] <nacc> draxdeveloper: it just has the patch from https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yuyuyak/input-evdev-debounce.patch/master/evdev-debounce-2.92.patch applied, nothing else
[02:05] <nacc> draxdeveloper: it's building now, you can add the ppa and once it's done an `apt update; apt upgrade` should pick it up. if you want, i can show you how i built it tmrw, just ping me (late here)
[02:05] <nacc> draxdeveloper: that way you can maintain it for yourself in your own PPA :)
[02:06] <draxdeveloper> nacc, ty again :)
[02:07] <r4f0_> draxdeveloper: take your time.. linux is something u need to enjoy timeless
[02:07] <nacc> draxdeveloper: np, i know it can be frustrating to figure this stuff out. I'm working on documenting some of this stuff anyways (building packages, testing, etc.)
[02:07] <nacc> and really, building your own debian pacakge should be a last resort :)
[02:08] <draxdeveloper> nacc, yeah... This is really a last resource. It's this or a new mouse (that can even have the same issue)
[02:08] <nacc> draxdeveloper: yeah, i've never had this issue, tbh, but i understand
[02:08] <nacc> draxdeveloper: i really recommend seeing if you can get in touch with the patch owner to see if they are willing to try sending it upstream again
[02:09] <nacc> draxdeveloper: afaict, it's not been done since 2012
[02:09] <nacc> s/done/tried/
[02:09] <r4f0_> im with nacc on the last resort part..
[02:09] <r4f0_> dont try to build something that is oldschool.. learn and develop new shit
[02:09] <capum321> did you use debian patch?
[02:09] <nacc> capum321: no, i used the one from github
[02:10] <moises> hi?
[02:10] <draxdeveloper> moises hello
[02:10] <moises> how many people here?
[02:10] <r4f0_> try /list
[02:11] <r4f0_> if you have a good client it will tell you how many people are in here
[02:11] <capum321> nacc what time will be the presentation?
[02:11] <draxdeveloper> moises, 1796
[02:11] <moises> right, 1797
[02:12] <moises> so, what are you talking about?
[02:12] <capum321> same old same old
[02:13] <capum321> draxdeveloper: on what foot are we?
[02:13] <draxdeveloper> capum321, don't seems to changed the version yet
[02:14] <capum321> nacc what time?
[02:15] <moises> Does anyone know a biggest channel about anything else?
[02:15] <capum321>  /j #USandA
[02:16] <qih> moises: Are you asking about a larger channel on Freenode, of any subject?
[02:16] <capum321> biggest channel on earth!
[02:16] <qih> capum321: Yeah but not the best.
[02:16] <moises> I don´t know dude, i just want to explore this old thing
[02:17] <qih> My guess would be #debian
[02:17] <capum321> of course it's the best
[02:17] <moises> How I can join in?
[02:18] <moises> *can I
[02:18] <capum321> type /join #channel
[02:18] <moises> thanks
[02:19] <moises> Where are you from?
[02:19] <nacc> moises: not ontopic
[02:19] <nacc> !ot | moises
[02:20] <capum321> I don't know, I was born in a deep cave, under new your metro. i hear some train rails sound every ten minutes
[02:20] <capum321> New York*
[02:21] <capum321> teenage mutant ninja turtles! kawabanga
[02:22] <moises> The bot wants to kick me :v
[02:23] <capum321> why I am not surprised?
[02:24] <capum321> nacc? could you explain me this      sed -e 's/^[a-zA-Z].*//g' -e '/^\s*$/d'
[02:24] <draxdeveloper> nacc, Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/nacc/drax/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[02:25] <moises> Guys, do you think IRC is death?
[02:25] <capum321> how did you add the repository?
[02:25] <capum321> draxdeveloper:
[02:25] <moises> *dead
[02:26] <capum321> draxdeveloper: I think we got an issue here ^
[02:27] <capum321> moises, from 1792 users in this channels, 1790 are dead. plain dead! they left their computer powered on, just forgeted to turn off! what bastards!
[02:27] <draxdeveloper> moises, what do you think? I am here, capum is here, another more than 1000 people are here... And this is just one room
[02:28] <Kel> capum321: My "computer" lives in a temperature controlled room somewhere in Denmark, I live in the US :P I can't just go turning the poor thing off willy-nilly! hehehe
[02:28] <moises> drax, as capum321 said, almost nobody here chat
[02:29] <capum321> kel yes! and it's called zombi or bot computer, isn't it ?!
[02:29] <Kel> I call it a server.
[02:29] <capum321> all right
[02:29] <capum321> let's called that even
[02:30] <capum321> please don't turn my computer into zombi
[02:32] <capum321> omg i just made up a theory about all these users --->>
[02:32] <capum321> they are bot computers all around the globe
[02:32] <moises> who is the moderator here?
[02:32] <capum321> think i am going to write a book about this
[02:32] <capum321> hahaha
[02:33] <Kel> They're probably mostly users like me, running irc under the ircii or B*X clients in a shell and forgot about them/don't care about them/only check them very infrequently :P hehehe
[02:33] <moises> they are just watching us? D:
[02:33] <capum321> it's can't get worse!
[02:34] <capum321> draxdeveloper: how did you add the repository I ask again?
[02:35] <draxdeveloper> updating =D
[02:35] <capum321> how!
[02:35] <Kel> moises: probably not. They're just connected. They may be active in other channels on the network =)
[02:36] <draxdeveloper> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nacc/drax
[02:36] <capum321> all right
[02:36] <moises> Are all you guys Ubuntu experts?
[02:36] <capum321> no, I run a grossery store
[02:37] <capum321> online
[02:37] <draxdeveloper> i will logoff to see if resets the x
[02:37] <capum321> ok
[02:38] <draxdeveloper> if don't work, i will sleep because i need it, bye and ty capum321 and nacc
[02:38] <draxdeveloper> night
[02:38] <capum321> have a great time
[02:39] <moises> what is your site, can I see it?
[02:40] <capum321> http://www.netgrocer.com/
[02:41] <capum321> and http://groceries.iceland.co.uk/
[02:41] <capum321> we have expanded
[02:42] <moises> Nice
[02:42] <capum321> should change that domain. not corporate enough
[02:42] <moises> where do you live?
[02:43] <capum321> I told you under New York subway
[02:43] <schwax> I'm running a LiveUSB version of Ubuntu right now and I can't stand how slowly it runs in persistence mode. I'm wondering if there is a way to run in non-persistence mode and still have a few programs pre-installed. Something like a snapshot for VMs and just have it not save anything else afterwards.
[02:44] <capum321> schwax: maybe mkusb?
[02:44] <moises> I tough it was a joke haha
[02:44] <schwax> capum321: Not sure what it is, but I'll give it a look see.
[02:45] <moises> c u g'eyes :p
[02:45] <capum321> I am serious, cold serious
[02:45] <capum321> have a great time
[02:47] <brianx> we are watching you.  sometimes we even see.
[02:48] <capum321> what are you? a hitman? don't you scare me again!
[02:48] <schwax> capum321: I'm not sure exactly what this does, but as far as I can tell it's basically the same as unetbootin or YUMI?
[02:48] <draxdeveloper> just passing by to say: IT WORKS!!!!! capum321 and nacc
[02:48] <capum321> great
[02:49] <capum321> schwax: i think it is more featured?
[02:49] <superguest> it just seems like there are many iddy bitty items that are gone in recent ubuntu releases
[02:50] <capum321> in tiny letters in the page bottom!
[02:50] <qengho> Hi hi. Is there a bug tracking Ubuntu web sites and download mirrors using HTTPS only?
[02:51] <capum321> use torrent
[02:51] <capum321> it's hash checked
[02:52] <qengho> I want to download a trusted Ubuntu image, because I'm in a oppressive, technically adept part of the world and I want to make sure my downloads are good.
[02:52] <qengho> capum321: that fails because I can't trust the place that tells me what torrent to download.
[02:52] <qengho> It's http.
[02:52] <superguest> e.g. I remember there used to be display of the current  row,column as you resize gnome-terminal.
[02:54] <schwax> anyone know much about mkusbs "Expansion and imaging from a compressed image file?"
[02:54] <qengho> There's a web page that tells me to download a GPG-signed hash file and what GPG keys to use to verify, but someone with less clue than I have could have intercepted that page request and inserted their own key signature there.
[02:55] <capum321> genpaku: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[02:56] <qengho> capum321: awesome. Are any mirrors https?
[02:56] <capum321> qengho: i think there are?!
[02:56] <qengho> Nope.
[02:57] <qengho> capum321: and even if there are, I'm suddenly concerned that the mirror got their data from some un-trustable way. :(
[02:59] <capum321> brianx help here would you?
[03:00] <brianx> with what capum321?
[03:01] <capum321> qengho: looking for some https mirror
[03:01] <qengho> brianx: I want to trust my Ubuntu download is unaltered. All the instuctions and download links I see can be altered in transit.
[03:02] <brianx> quebre: have someone you trust encrypt and send you the checksums
[03:02] <capum321> qengho: he is from China or something?
[03:02] <qengho> brianx: And I'd like to fix it for everyone.
[03:03] <qengho> I am in Taiwan for the summer, yes.
[03:04] <brianx> i'm no cryptography expert.  i understand how https isn't all that good.
[03:05] <capum321> brianx but how would one send him the iso?
[03:05] <qengho> brianx: https is great. https://www.ubuntu.com/download/how-to-verify
[03:05] <brianx> capum321: you don't need to.  you only need to get the checksums.
[03:06] <brianx> well, the sums and the tool for calculating them on files you get from untrusted sources like torrent.
[03:06] <capum321> didn't understand
[03:07] <brianx> download possibly bad files.  check them with a known good tool against the known checksums
[03:08] <capum321> brianx it's not like that... his internet is tracked down
[03:08] <qengho> brianx: Let's assume my local tools are fine. Impossible to start otherwise.
[03:08] <OerHeks> !md5sum
[03:08] <qengho> SIGH.
[03:08] <qengho> http
[03:09] <OerHeks> does https ease your mind?
[03:09] <qengho> Yes. I trust this browser and TLS CAs
[03:09] <brianx> you'll have to get someone you trust to encrypt the sums with your public key
[03:10] <qengho> brianx: Let's file a bug report instead so this is fixed for 8bn people instead of one.
[03:10] <OerHeks> oke
[03:10] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[03:10] <OerHeks> LoLz
[03:11] <brianx> qengho: go for it.
[03:11] <OerHeks> but true, that factoid should say https
[03:11] <qengho> (And MD5 is old and broken, DH. No one should trust it.)
[03:11] <qengho> Not SHA1 either.
[03:11] <qengho> SHA2 class or better.
[03:13] <qengho> OerHeks: MD5 is fine for discovering if something is accidentally corrupted, so not completely useless.
[03:13] <brianx> no objections here, though i suggest sha1 be kept available for those who have older tools and just need to verify the transfer worked.
[03:15] <capum321> i didn't know taiwan was like that? most of my eletronics are from taiwan
[03:15] <capum321> or were.. these days they are scarse
[03:19] <qengho> capum321: Taiwan is okay. That doesn't mean NO security is fine. You're running my code on your computer. I have to be better than lazy.
[03:20]  * qengho afk a bit.
[03:20] <capum321> what code?
[03:20] <nedstark> if i lived in a repressive country, i'd probably use openbsd, because few gov types would even know how to install it
[03:22] <brianx> given the number of police states around the western world, it's quite likely you do live in a repressive state.
[03:22] <nedstark> i would never say that, all hail out imperious leader
[03:22] <capum321> what he mean running code on your computer?
[03:24] <nedstark> he is an ubuntu coder
[03:24] <brianx> maybe he wrote some common boot code.
[03:25] <brianx> ahh
[03:25] <nedstark> chromium
[03:25] <nedstark> he must know about The Google
[03:27] <dax> !-md5sum
[03:27]  * DalekSec stabs dax.
[03:27] <dax> !md5sum =~ s/http/https/
[03:30] <nickx> I had a question about Ubuntu Mate-16.04.
[03:30] <nickx> It came with a package named Plank preinstalled which is a docking software. It was not set as "run on startup" because I do not yet know how to do it.
[03:30] <nickx> Using Mate-tweak I set my panels as "Cupertino" which set Plank to "run on startup".
[03:30] <nickx> I still can not see it under the list of startup applications.
[03:30] <nickx> Question: How do I see which packages are set to start up by the desktop environment ?
[03:31] <nedstark> nickx, the MATE control center under Startup applications preferences
[03:32] <nedstark> is it not there?
[03:32] <nickx> No, it isnt
[03:32] <Loshki> nedstark: lol@imperious
[03:33] <nickx> Since it is part of "Cupertino" it must be hidden somewhere.
[03:34] <drama> nickx, try running plank --preferences in a term, see what that does if anything
[03:34] <nedstark> you can also do it by hand with gksudo gedit ~/.config/plank/dock1/settings
[03:36] <nickx> I have to create this file: "~/.config/plank/dock1/settings" ? It does not already exist.
[03:37] <nedstark> things might be changing in the newer versions
[03:37] <nickx> I was wondering "since it is already running on start up by default, it must have been saved as some start up script which is hidden away"
[03:38] <drama> nickx, is it really installed? dpkg -l plank
[03:39] <nickx> Yes, it is. Version: 0.11.1-1
[03:39] <nickx> It came as part of Ubuntu Mate 16.04.
[03:39] <ominomi> a_west: :)
[03:39] <drama> nickx, no icon on the far left side?
[03:41] <nickx> There is. The plank settings icon. But, it does not have any option reading "start on startup". That icon opens the preferences, which are very very simple like "size of icon", "auto hide/intellihide", etc.
[03:41] <drama> no ~/.config/plank/dock1/settings ?
[03:42] <nickx> I am trying to find out why Plank is getting start on every start up even though it is not explicitly mentioned in the "Startup Applications Preferences"
[03:42] <nickx> ls ~/.config/plank/dock1 --> launchers1
[03:43] <nickx> There is no "settings" file or folder.
[03:43] <drama> hmmm... any HideMode = 1 means auto hide, set to 0 to disable it. in launchers1
[03:44] <nickx> "launchers" folder contains 3 files. 1) desktop.dockitem, 2) firefox.dockitem, 3) matecc.dockitem
[03:48] <TheNH813> I have a proooooooblem.
[03:48] <TheNH813> linux-image-extra-4.4.0-28-generic broke my install
[03:48] <TheNH813> After booting the previous version in recovery mode, and purging linux-image-extra-4.4.0-28-generic, it boots normally againb
[03:49] <TheNH813> I was unable to get any debug info as dmesg was blank and my GPU does not initialize untill 15 seconds into boot normally
[03:49] <TheNH813> It freezes about 6 seconds in with the new kernel
[03:49] <Arshoon> Okay, I have an issue I was hoping I could get help with.
[03:50] <TheNH813> I marked all kernel related packages on non-overridable hodl for the current time
[03:50] <TheNH813> Arshoon: Yes?
[03:50] <Arshoon> I play Minecraft, and am on Ubuntu MATE, and after playing for a while, my FPS dropps to 8-10 and it persists if I restart the game, try another game or try anything, like my GPU or CPU is giving up.
[03:50] <drama> nickx, i found this sudo ln -s /usr/share/applications/plank.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart/  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2275320
[03:51] <Arshoon> Only a restart fixes the issue.
[03:51] <TheNH813> Arshoon: Sounds like the card isn't getting enough resources or is thermal throttling
[03:51] <Arshoon> I was hoping for a not-pverheating card...
[03:52] <TheNH813> But, if a restart fixes it, that makes it less likely. If there's no noticeable dust buildup that shouldn't be the issue.
[03:52] <nickx> @drama: Thanks for digging into it.
[03:52] <TheNH813> In the case it's a software problem, how much RAM is allocated to the GPU?
[03:53] <TheNH813> If you didn't touch that setting it's likely a memory leak eating up resources.
[03:53] <Arshoon> The GPU has 1024M built in, not sure how to allocate any more if I can.
[03:53] <Arshoon> Memory leak was my other thought.
[03:53] <Arshoon> Not sure how to find it and kill it, though.
[03:54] <TheNH813> To see all processes, you'd need to run the task mnager as root.
[03:54] <TheNH813> sudo gnome-system-monitor
[03:55] <TheNH813> I think there was a bug with Nautilus memory leaking recently in network sharing support. not sure if it's patched lately.
[03:55] <TheNH813> *patched yet
[03:56] <TheNH813> Had something to do with SMB, but it only affected soem systems
[03:57] <TheNH813> If you have gnome-system-monitor open, then click the configure (3 horizontal bars) and select all users.
[03:57] <Arshoon> Don't even have Nautilus on here (the system monitor under sudo), its a MATE desktop.
[03:57] <TheNH813> Ah, then that's not the problem. Could be another app.
[03:58] <TheNH813> Just today the latest version of the kernel broke my system. Had to boot recovery mode, purge it and block the update with apt-mark hold. DX
[03:59] <TheNH813> But, that's a issue with drivers. Actually that's what I came on here to ask about.
[03:59] <Arshoon> My RAM and CPU are also nowhere near maxed out.
[03:59] <Arshoon> May just have to go back to Windows...
[03:59] <TheNH813> Well, then it's likely a software only problem or possibly heat.
[03:59] <TheNH813> Hm.... are you running proprietary drivers or default?
[03:59] <Arshoon> Proprietary Nvdidia
[04:00] <Arshoon> Ha ha, can't type.
[04:00] <plop_its_ellie> what version?
[04:00] <Arshoon> 361.42
[04:00] <Arshoon> Thing is, its only Minecraft that has done this. I played Portal all night with no issue.
[04:00] <TheNH813> Let me check that out.
[04:01] <TheNH813> Hm....
[04:01] <TheNH813> Indeed odd.
[04:01] <TheNH813> Do you use any mods?
[04:01] <TheNH813> Graphical mods to be specific
[04:01] <TheNH813> Like optifine
[04:01] <plop_its_ellie> aome mods even non graphical just suck and bog down your system
[04:01] <plop_its_ellie> *some
[04:02] <Arshoon> All I run is a texture pack.
[04:02] <TheNH813> Is it super-high res?
[04:03] <TheNH813> (Just trying to rule all things out)
[04:03] <Arshoon> 64x I believe.
[04:03] <Arshoon> Not too high res.
[04:03] <TheNH813> Hm...
[04:03] <Arshoon> Yeah, weird.
[04:03] <TheNH813> Try a newer version of LWJGL.
[04:03] <Arshoon> Has to be a leak somewhere.
[04:04] <Arshoon> I AM running a server as well on the local machine.
[04:04] <plop_its_ellie> i just remembered, when i used to play minecraft it had a memory leak, I think it had something to do with openjdk
[04:04] <nx> test
[04:04] <Arshoon> But I never had this problem before, and its not missing any ticks.
[04:04] <TheNH813> That's a possibly interesting clue.
[04:04] <TheNH813> Maybe try Oracle Java.
[04:05] <plop_its_ellie> yea
[04:05] <Arshoon> Not using OpenJDK.
[04:05] <plop_its_ellie> i recommend trying oracle java
[04:05] <Arshoon> I am.
[04:05] <TheNH813> I'm gonna put blame on the graphics library, LWJGL.
[04:05] <plop_its_ellie> ubuntu mate has openjdk preinstalled
[04:06] <TheNH813> Ther've been problems with that library in the past like keyboard issues and random crashes.
[04:06] <Arshoon> Let me look at my software sources, I thought i added Oracle's
[04:07] <Arshoon> I aded the webopd8 java repository and am using that.
[04:07] <TheNH813> so, you purged the openjdk first?
[04:07] <plop_its_ellie> if you are on ubuntu mate you can just install it from the welcome menu
[04:07] <Arshoon> <.< uh, no.
[04:07] <TheNH813> Sudo apt-get purge openjdk*
[04:08] <TheNH813> To make sure it, and all it;s configs are removed.
[04:08] <TheNH813> Woops the s in sudo shouldn't be caps
[04:08] <Arshoon> purged.
[04:08] <TheNH813> So, it's definitely not installed them. Hm... this is an odd issue.
[04:09] <Arshoon> I just purged it. Trying again.
[04:09] <TheNH813> Oh, make sure to reinstall oracle java. Just to make sure all is right.
[04:09] <TheNH813> At this point, I think trying any possibility is important. :P
[04:10] <Arshoon> Well, I still have the Oracle Java and no texture pack, still 10 fps.
[04:10] <Backwards> TheNH813 exactly in your estimation, what does purging mean? Is it a deletion of all vestiges of traces of files?
[04:10] <plop_its_ellie> i dont recommend using purge
[04:10] <plop_its_ellie> just use apt-get remove
[04:11] <TheNH813> Backwards: Yes.
[04:11] <Backwards> I read that somewhere.
[04:11] <TheNH813> Backwards: It basically removes ALL references to that application from the system.
[04:11] <Backwards> You confirmed my research. Thanks.
[04:12] <plop_its_ellie> sudo apt-get remove default-jre-headless openjdk-8-jre-headless
[04:12] <plop_its_ellie> using purge can be dangerous so be careful
[04:12] <plop_its_ellie> its safer to just use remove
[04:12] <Backwards> TheNH813, with Windows OS deletion does not purge. It just leaves garbage on the disk.
[04:12] <Backwards> Does purge remove the data completely from the disk?
[04:13] <TheNH813> Not secure delete, but it makes sure files aren't left behind. as plop_it's_elite said it can occasionally break things if you do it to really important stuff.
[04:14] <TheNH813> By the way, has anyone noticed the terminal reccommending to use "sudo apt install <application>" instead of "sudo apt-get install <application>"?
[04:14] <TheNH813> And the apt command has colored output, is it some sort of wrapper?
[04:15] <Arshoon> Totally unintalled any openjdk and headless stuff, going to restart, and see how long it takes to return.
[04:15] <Arshoon> Thanks for all the help.
[04:15] <Arshoon> Man, I type good...
[04:16] <TheNH813> Can anyone on here help me determine why kernel <IP_ADDRESS> freezes 6 seconds into boot?
[04:16] <Backwards> TheNH813, I have been doing Data Recovery with Windows and make a good living with it but with Ubuntu, not sure which programs totally remove cleanly data bits 1's and 0's
[04:17] <TheNH813> Well, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/<drive> will certainally nuke data.
[04:17] <Arshoon> And. back. Man, I love Ubuntu and an SSD.
[04:17] <TheNH813> Arshoon: Well, now the test comes.
[04:19] <TheNH813> Arshoon: By the way, if all else fails, try a previous Oracle Java version. It requires 6u45 minimum, so maybe try Java 8 or 7 if it still experiences problems.
[04:19] <TheNH813> I had to revert to Java 8 to get Minecraft working.
[04:20] <Backwards> TheNH13 I was referring to deletion of data without formatting a disk.
[04:20] <TheNH813> Ah, then dd if=/dev/urandom of=/path/to/file
[04:20] <TheNH813> Then delete the file
[04:20] <TheNH813> It's contents will be replaced with scrambledness
[04:20] <Arshoon> I am on 8
[04:21] <TheNH813> Arshoon: Ok
[04:22] <TheNH813> Backwards: Of course, you'd have to specify the legenth of the file to overwrite with count and bytes options.
[04:22] <Backwards> TheNH813 so that is like   diskwipe for a file and not the entire disk.
[04:22] <TheNH813> Yup
[04:22] <Arshoon> Oh, now I am at 60 FPS< and I wasn't getting that before the removing the OpenJDK and headless files.
[04:23] <TheNH813> Well, there's some progress. :D
[04:23] <Arshoon> I think that may have done it, serious improvement.
[04:24] <Arshoon> I was dreading any return to Windoze
[04:24] <TheNH813> Must have been still using the non-Oracle Java. And yes, I knwo the feeling
[04:24] <Backwards> TheNH813, is what you are saying is that I can use a data recovery program and not find that deleted or wiped file?
[04:24] <TheNH813> You'd find the file in the deleted inodes, but the contents would be gone.
[04:25] <TheNH813> AKA unreadable.
[04:25] <Backwards> I have done a lot of data recovery and lots of deleted files can be seen and recovered.
[04:25] <plop_its_ellie> i have 4.4.0-28 on my system, no issues so far
[04:26] <Backwards> Not only that, virus programs look for those deleted files and work with them.
[04:26] <plop_its_ellie> and running on severeal computers at work, no issues there either
[04:26] <TheNH813> Good to hear
[04:26] <TheNH813> Must have been a failed update
[04:26] <TheNH813> Will try reinstalling it
[04:26] <plop_its_ellie> Backwards, the shred utility does secure erase as well
[04:27] <TheNH813> Backwards: Well, I'l be. I just discovered secure-delete in the software center.
[04:27] <TheNH813> I'l see if it's any good. :o
[04:27] <Backwards> Thanks Plop I will do some homework on that.
[04:29] <Backwards> Ubuntu has on installation an encryption option. I am not too sure of using it. If something goes wrong, I don't want to fish for the data.
[04:30] <ubuntu-Haneul> hello
[04:31] <TheNH813> I can't update the kernel again after removing the hold. Something is wrong.
[04:31] <Backwards> Undo the last command.
[04:32] <Jordan_U> Backwards: Always have backups of important data.
[04:32] <ubuntu-Haneul> I just installed ubuntu on windows installed computer, I want to see the boot menu of Windows instead of Ubuntu one
[04:33] <TheNH813> You can't do that if you want Ubuntu to boot
[04:33] <Backwards> Jordan I always backup everything. I have 20 terabytes of disk backups.
[04:33] <TheNH813> ubuntu-Haneul: Unless the PC is running XP.
[04:33] <TheNH813> You have to use GRUB to boot Linux.
[04:33] <TheNH813> And Windows
[04:33] <TheNH813> Unless you remove Ubuntu
[04:34] <Backwards> Jordan true, always backup before making a decision on what to install or change.
[04:35] <TheNH813> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[04:35] <TheNH813>   linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-image-4.4.0-24-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-24-generic linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic thermald
[04:35] <TheNH813> What have I done.
[04:35] <TheNH813> That's the only kernel installed.
[04:35] <TheNH813> Something REALLY went south with the kernel 4.4.0-28 update
[04:36] <Backwards> Jordan, there is an old Computer Programmers saying:  "Happy are the pessimist for they shal save."
[04:36] <drama> TheNH813, maybe you have the latest kernel, what does uname -r say?
[04:36] <TheNH813> 4.4.0-24-generic
[04:36] <TheNH813> That is bad. I'm not letting it remove that.
[04:36] <plop_its_ellie> you reboot after the update?
[04:36] <drama> TheNH813, you did a sudo apt-get update?
[04:36] <TheNH813> Yes.
[04:36] <drama> then upgrade
[04:37] <TheNH813> I remove the newer kernel because it wsa corupt.
[04:37] <TheNH813> Then rebootes
[04:37] <TheNH813> *rebooted
[04:38] <TheNH813> Yeah, apt-get upgrade wants to remove the only instaled kernel version, but not install the new one. And, it's supposed to keep the previoud version.
[04:38] <drama> TheNH813, what does sudo apt-get install linux-image-4.4.0-28-generic  do?
[04:38] <TheNH813> Installs it.
[04:38] <TheNH813> But then updates manager won't keep it up to date as it's manually installed
[04:39] <TheNH813> I want to fix that.
[04:39] <ubuntu-Haneul> Thanks! TheNH813
[04:39] <TheNH813> ubuntu-Haneul: You're welcome.
[04:39] <TheNH813> BRB getting water
[04:40] <plop_its_ellie> it should have showed up in the update manager again
[04:41] <drama> TheNH813, maybe sudo apt-mark unhold linux-image-generic
[04:42] <Backwards> TheNH813 check this site out:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1589147
[04:42] <ubuntu-Haneul> Um, Can I ask one more thing? How can I play MP3, AVI and MP4 video on Ubuntu?
[04:43] <TheNH813> ubuntu-Haneul: Install these packages (Wait I'm geting a list)
[04:43] <Backwards> Also:   http://askubuntu.com/questions/247549/is-it-possible-to-undo-an-apt-get-install-command
[04:43] <ubuntu-Haneul> Okay.
[04:43] <plop_its_ellie> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:43] <EriC^^> ubuntu-Haneul: sudo add-apt-repository multiverse && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:43] <TheNH813> Yup, that's the one
[04:43] <ubuntu-Haneul> great.
[04:44] <plop_its_ellie> that will install codecs, tho to give you a warning it will also install flash and java
[04:44] <ubuntu-Haneul> woah, thank you.
[04:44] <TheNH813> plop_its_ellie: Hey thanks for that reminder. I forgot the meta-package ubuntu-restricted-extras existed.
[04:45] <TheNH813> I was going to pound out a list of ALL the packages. XD
[04:45] <plop_its_ellie> yea theres a lot of packages in it, would be nice if there was a seperate codec pack without flash and java tho
[04:46] <TheNH813> Hm... it still thinks  linux-headers-generic thermald aren't required. I don't like the looks of that.
[04:47] <MisterGadfly> Does Ubuntu have a tool to make an Oracle Java .deb package?
[04:47] <TheNH813> MisterGadfly: That's a good question.
[04:47] <MisterGadfly> Like on Debian
[04:48] <TheNH813> I'd say grab the source code to that tool and compile it on Ubuntu. Worth a shot. *shrugs*
[04:49] <plop_its_ellie> you can compile it into a deb with make checkinstall
[04:49] <ubuntu-Haneul> I thought if I type sudo apt-get install Chrome I would get Chrome, but it doesn't work at all. why?
[04:49] <tiox> A peculiar question, since I'm not on the up about this subject; What's a good tool I can use to view and submit posts to Facebook without looking at Facebook?
[04:49] <plop_its_ellie> ubuntu-Haneul, because its not in the repository, however chromium is
[04:49] <TheNH813> ubuntu-Haneul: Google chrome is not in the defualt repository
[04:49] <ubuntu-Haneul> chromium?
[04:49] <TheNH813> Let me link you Chromw
[04:50] <plop_its_ellie> itchromium is basically google chrome without flash, google branding and any other weird googly stuff
[04:50] <Backwards> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2307425
[04:50] <ubuntu-Haneul> ho, interesting.
[04:50] <plop_its_ellie> sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[04:50] <plop_its_ellie> otherwise there is a .deb on googles site for chrome
[04:50] <plop_its_ellie> and it adds the repo upon installation
[04:50] <ubuntu-Haneul> Okay, I will try.
[04:50] <TheNH813> ubuntu-Haneul: https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html This is the download link if you want it
[04:51] <ubuntu-Haneul> thank you.
[04:51] <TheNH813> Select Ubuntu, obviously. :P
[04:51] <tiox> If you still desire to use Firefox, for some strange reason you can always install Pipelight and use Pipelight's Flash, though this also requires the installation of wine-staging from their repository to make use of Pipelight, and it doesn't work for DRM-protected content from what I've seen.
[04:52] <tiox> Or, there's another package you can install to use Freshwrapper + Chrome's Flash plugin as an NPAPI plugin.
[04:52] <TheNH813> Honestly, I never use flash anymore.
[04:53] <TheNH813> Well, almos tnever
[04:53] <tiox> I believe it's in more recent version repos as browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
[04:53] <plop_its_ellie> hui dont recommend using pipelight
[04:53] <plop_its_ellie> its not really needed these days anyways
[04:53] <TheNH813> HTML5 for the win. And flash 11.x is good enough for the occasional browser game.
[04:53] <Backwards> TheNH813 are you trying to use multiple images on your box?
[04:53] <TheNH813> Images? Of the kernel?
[04:53] <plop_its_ellie> pipelight is just silverlight in wine
[04:53] <TheNH813> No.
[04:53] <tiox> plop_its_ellie: Silverlight. I know many sides don't use it anymore but it's still a thing.
[04:53] <plop_its_ellie> tiox, its not worth it
[04:53] <tiox> No, no it is not. At least it's not _just_ that/
[04:54] <plop_its_ellie> the security vulnerabilities
[04:54] <plop_its_ellie> and such a small number of sites use it, not worth the risk
[04:54] <tiox> http://pipelight.net/cms/installation.html#section_2
[04:54] <plop_its_ellie> netflix has started using html5 drm
[04:54] <TheNH813> Nice!
[04:54] <TheNH813> Really?
[04:54] <plop_its_ellie> and pepper flash is in the repos
[04:54] <plop_its_ellie> yes
[04:54] <plop_its_ellie> but only works in google chrome atm
[04:55] <MisterGadfly> Is the webup8team repo trustworthy?
[04:55] <TheNH813> Yes
[04:55] <TheNH813> I use it
[04:55] <TheNH813> For things like pulseaudio-equalizer
[04:55] <TheNH813> That I absolutely ned.
[04:55] <MisterGadfly> Hmm
[04:55] <plop_its_ellie> i would avoid using ppas if you can, otherwise if you do use them i recommend using ppas from the developers of the projects
[04:55] <Backwards> TheNH813 I opted out for synaptic installation on my Ubuntu box.
[04:56] <Backwards> Synaptic is like Windows updates.
[04:57] <plop_its_ellie> synaptic is nothing like windows updates :o
[04:57] <TheNH813> It's MUCH better
[04:57] <plop_its_ellie> windows update is horrible
[04:57] <TheNH813> Indeed.
[04:57] <tiox> It's analogous to Windows Update, but you control your own repos.
[04:57] <plop_its_ellie> synaptic is just a front end to apot
[04:57] <plop_its_ellie> *apt
[04:58] <Backwards> I don't need my servers to talk with anything or anyone but who I want it to talk with.
[04:58] <greydawg> guys I have this unsupported locale settings en_IN.ISO8859-1
[04:58] <tiox> And apt's a front-end for dpkg yeah yeah we know.
[04:58] <TheNH813> I prefer the commandline to install new applications, but GUI for updates.
[04:58] <greydawg> error does anyone know
[04:58] <Backwards> TheNH813 good point.
[04:58] <greydawg> Unsupported locale setting en_IN.ISO8859-1 specified for daemon process group localhost:80. Consider using 'C.UTF-8' as fallback setting.
[04:59] <TheNH813> Hm.... guessing by that are you in India?
[04:59] <Backwards> Command line is best.
[05:00] <Backwards> I run my servers   headless.
[05:00] <TheNH813> I have a shell script I run on every new installation. You can bet it configures things and runs a bunch of apt-get install commands.
[05:00] <Backwards> I don't need GUI to run my servers.
[05:01] <drama> Backwards, give me a link for running headless
[05:01] <TheNH813> Definitely not on a server. SSH is goon enough for most purposes.
[05:01] <TheNH813> *good enough
[05:01] <drama> Backwards, you install headless?
[05:01] <tiox> Remember, know your audience; Ubuntu users not familiar with the command line may went to use Synaptic. (Also install apt-xapian-index)
[05:02] <Backwards> Drama   "headless" means simply   No monitor, no keyboard, no mouse.
[05:02] <drama> Backwards, no video card?
[05:02] <TheNH813> You know what? I'm gonna do something risky. I have backups, so I'm good. I'm gonna purge ALL kernels, including the running one, and completely reinstall them.
[05:02] <Backwards> You don't need a video card with a server.
[05:03] <TheNH813> That should fix the quirkness in apt-get upgrade
[05:03] <TheNH813> *Crosses fingers*
[05:03] <tiox> And that is the last we ever heard of TheNH813; Rest in peace, buddy, rest in peace.
[05:03] <TheNH813> LOL
[05:03] <Ben64> TheNH813: what issue are you experiencing
[05:04] <TheNH813> It refuses to update the kernel, and the package states are all wrong.
[05:04] <TheNH813> In fact, it dosen't even see the update.
[05:04] <TheNH813> Reinstall all kernels to reset apt is my best option.
[05:04] <plop_its_ellie> if you are gonna wipe all the kernels are you just better off reinstalling
[05:04] <Backwards> TheNH813 you didn't back up your system before you made changes.
[05:05] <TheNH813> I did
[05:05] <TheNH813> It's just a pain to reimage.
[05:05] <TheNH813> To OS partition
[05:05] <Backwards> To live is to learn my friend.
[05:05] <greydawg> [Fri Jul 01 10:34:52.954567 2016] [wsgi:error] [pid 2338:tid<PHONE_NUMBER>] mod_wsgi (pid=2338): Unsupported locale setting en_IN.ISO8859-1 specified for daemon process group localhost:80. Consider using 'C.UTF-8' as fallback setting.
[05:05] <john__> hello
[05:06] <greydawg> guys anyone has an idea about this?
[05:06] <john__> 你们好吗
[05:06] <john__> 说句话
[05:06] <Backwards> I have lots of customers comeing to me and they never backed up anything. I have to do a data recovery and put the box back to the way it was. That is crazy. It takes days to do that.
[05:07] <TheNH813> I bet it does
[05:07] <john__> what
[05:07] <Backwards> Data recovery is time consuming.
[05:07] <drama> greydawg, http://blog.dscpl.com.au/2014/09/setting-lang-and-lcall-when-using.html
[05:07] <plop_its_ellie> yep
[05:07] <TheNH813> Ah, I have a empty /boot folder now.
[05:07] <hemangpatel> is anyone know good tool or application to check bandwidth usage of all machine of network to identify usage per machine ?
[05:08] <greydawg> drama: thanks man
[05:08] <greydawg> I'll go over it
[05:08] <plop_its_ellie> hemangpatel, nettop and nethogs
[05:08] <TheNH813> That, and the stats of your router if ti logs them.
[05:08] <plop_its_ellie> nettop monitors bandwith of a specific interface
[05:08] <plop_its_ellie> nethogs does the same but its for seeing what is using the most bandwidth
[05:09] <plop_its_ellie> they are both command line tools
[05:09] <plop_its_ellie> very nice tho
[05:09] <hemangpatel> plop_its_ellie, Can i check same for another machine in network ? I need list of machine who uses most bandwidth in network
[05:10] <TheNH813> Wooooooooooooot! I reinstalled the kernel only by only typing in sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic and it pulled the latest version! Success!
[05:10] <Backwards> Plop thanks for that info.
[05:11] <Backwards> Congratulations TheNH813.
[05:11] <TheNH813> Thanks.
[05:11] <TheNH813> Sometimes, you just gotta do something that could either fail horribly or work you perfectly. :D
[05:12] <TheNH813> Now, I gotta reinstall linux-headers-generic and linux-source-generic
[05:12] <plop_its_ellie> hemangpatel, i dont think it does
[05:13] <Backwards> I am proud of you TheNH813.
[05:13] <plop_its_ellie> i would recommend using your router for that
[05:13] <plop_its_ellie> or having something on the edge of your network
[05:14] <TheNH813> Backwards: Honestly, I'v never been able to fix a messed up package state in apt before.
[05:14] <Backwards> Now TheNH813 you need to update and upgrade?
[05:15] <plop_its_ellie> sudo apt-get install -f
[05:15] <TheNH813> That works, if a package is corrupt.
[05:15] <swift110-phone> hey
[05:15] <TheNH813> Or non-finished.
[05:15] <TheNH813> swift110-phone: Hello!
[05:16] <TheNH813> Backwards: Yup. Looks like only a few updates left though. About 5.
[05:16] <swift110-phone> how are you
[05:16] <TheNH813> Fine. You need help with anything?
[05:16] <swift110-phone> nope
[05:17] <Backwards> TheNH813 what would you do without the IRC?
[05:17] <TheNH813> No idea.
[05:17] <TheNH813> Probably reinstall a lot more often
[05:17] <Backwards> LOL
[05:17] <crazyhorse18> Backwards, stackoverflow :)
[05:18] <TheNH813> swift110-phone: Hope you doing fine as well.  I'm not here to start fights.
[05:22] <erasmus> it's true
[05:22] <jim> his mazarati does 185,,, he lost his license... now he don't drive
[05:23] <Backwards> TheNH813 so what are you doing now to fix the problems?
[05:23] <logesh> Hi
[05:23] <TheNH813> Backwards:They're gone, thankfully. :o
[05:23] <Backwards> Glad to hear that.
[05:24] <Backwards> What is your objective in the changes you are trying to make?
[05:24] <logesh> When ubuntu releases amazon ami for south region
[05:24] <logesh> When ubuntu going to release amazon ebs ami for south region
[05:25] <Backwards> TheNH813 What is your objective in the changes you are trying to make?
[05:25] <TheNH813> I'm typing it.
[05:25] <TheNH813> Backwards: I was trying to fix a corrupt install of the kernel. I marked the previous version as hold and uninstalled the new one. A day later (today) I went to unhold it and install the new version again. It wouldn't see the update and that's where the trouble started.
[05:26] <Backwards> That is frustrating.
[05:26] <TheNH813> A simply purge of all kernels and kernel drivers and headers and reinstall using the  simple package name (linux-image-generic) which defaults to the newest version fixed it.
[05:27] <jim> did ubuntu alter make-kpkg?
[05:27] <Backwards> Well, as long as you have the common sense to fix the problem. That is all that counts.
[05:27] <TheNH813> Backwards: Yup. The only risk with that is if your PC turn off, there's no kernel on disk to boot.
[05:28] <Backwards> I didn't know that you can purge the kernel. If the kernel is purged how can you load up the new kernel?
[05:28] <TheNH813> Install it before oyu reboot.
[05:28] <TheNH813> Else, RIP
[05:28] <Backwards> That makes sense.
[05:28] <plop_its_ellie> you can chroot into the system
[05:28] <jim> well you can recover if you reboot... it would take a lot of work if you don't prepare before you reboot
[05:28] <plop_its_ellie> then install the kernel in there
[05:29] <TheNH813> Well, there's that. I would just copy paste a kernel from the cloned installation on my backup.
[05:29] <plop_its_ellie> you could just do a reinstall
[05:29] <Backwards> Jim that is sensible.
[05:30] <TheNH813> jim: That is the sensible way to fix it if you don't have a restore enviroment.
[05:30] <Backwards> Reinstall is the same as doing all of the research and work.
[05:30] <TheNH813> Yup, reinstall is too time consuming when I have like 15G of custom and regular software installed.
[05:30] <jim> but it's of course much better if you install a kernel first... what are the symptoms?
[05:30] <plop_its_ellie> what custom software?
[05:30] <swift110-phone> https://swift110.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/stuck/
[05:31] <TheNH813> plop_its_ellie Proprietary stuff and stuff I'v written.
[05:31] <plop_its_ellie> oh, weird proprietary stuff...
[05:31] <plop_its_ellie> you cant just reinstall it?
[05:32] <plop_its_ellie> especially if you've written it, you cant just export data files from it, then reinstall and import the data files back
[05:32] <TheNH813> I could, but there's so much a reinstall isn't worth it. I sync to a backup HDD one per week. I could literally just swap disks.
[05:32] <Backwards> The only problem with reinstallation is that if there is data on the disk, it must be backed up and that is more work.
[05:32] <plop_its_ellie> you cant just script the installations?
[05:32] <Backwards> Mirror the disk before the change.
[05:32] <TheNH813> I keep separate partitions for data and system
[05:32] <TheNH813> In fact, all the folders in my home directory are simlinks
[05:32] <TheNH813> Thus, easy reinstalls
[05:33] <TheNH813> if necessary
[05:33] <plop_its_ellie> or better yet, have a script backup the data files, then have another script that installs all of them then restores the data
[05:33] <TheNH813> or reiimaging
[05:33] <plop_its_ellie> oh there you go, just reinstall the base system
[05:33] <Backwards> Simply put another hard drive on your box and mirror it everytime you make changes. That fixes everything.
[05:34] <TheNH813> I also backup my data, the archaic way. cp -rvn /media/Home/Myname_Data/* /media/Backupdrive
[05:34] <TheNH813> And all my docs and music also go to mega using the megasync plugin for nautilus.
[05:34] <plop_its_ellie> TheNH813, btw when you write proprietary custom software can you use standard data formats, make it easy to get data in and out
[05:35] <plop_its_ellie> sorry to be bitter about it, its just at work its always a pain in the neck when people come in and they have some weird proprietary software
[05:35] <TheNH813> plop_its_elite: Yes. I'm too lazy for SQL so I usually use CSV.
[05:36] <TheNH813> And there's comments at the top of the file deatiling what each row does.
[05:36] <plop_its_ellie> especially when there are open source equivilents of what they are doing but they are too stubborn to switch...
[05:36] <TheNH813> Yup.
[05:36] <Backwards> What is your Disk Space on your hard drive TheNH813?
[05:37] <TheNH813> 30G for the OS, 500 for Data.
[05:37] <TheNH813> And anothe drive for more stuff like videos and music I'v transferred.
[05:37] <Backwards> 30 Gig is small.
[05:37] <Backwards> My disk space is Terabytes.
[05:38] <Ben64> 30 is fine for OS
[05:38] <Backwards> If you purchase a Terabyte HD, you can mirror your kernel on another partition on your HD.
[05:39] <TheNH813> As for my databases, I take special care to make sure the program spaces data evenly with tabs inside the CSV, so it looks fine even in a text editor. Most of my custom software is for automation, home built electronics controlled with the parallel port, radio stuff and custom applications like data logging and pentesting stuff.
[05:39] <TheNH813> I have a massive range of interests, and am a avid experimenter, with both software and hardware.
[05:40] <Backwards> TheNH813 you are a Radio Electronics person?
[05:40] <TheNH813> Kindof. I'v been interested in radio for a while but takes a large interest in it int he past year or so.
[05:40] <TheNH813> I want to get a amateur radio license as well.
[05:40] <Backwards> I have Five Masters Degrees in Engineering.
[05:41] <TheNH813> Woah, really?
[05:41] <TheNH813> That's epic.
[05:41] <Backwards> I have my FCC G.R.O.L
[05:41] <Ravness> Damn, I really hate how spotify has a crappy linux client :/
[05:41] <redengin> lol, how many years did you put in to get 5 masters?
[05:41] <Backwards> I am almost 60 years old.
[05:42] <redengin> ah, that makes more sense then
[05:42] <TheNH813> Backwards: The GROL is the one that covers international communication if I remember correctly, right?
[05:42] <Backwards> Yes.
[05:42] <somsip> ~ot | TheNH813 (and others - please back to support, or take the chat private, thanks)
[05:42] <Backwards> General Radio Operator's License.
[05:42] <somsip> !ot | TheNH813 (and others - please back to support, or take the chat private, thanks)
[05:43] <Backwards> I am a Radio Broadcast Engineer.
[05:43] <Backwards> Also a Communications Expert.
[05:43] <Backwards> Electronics Engineer.
[05:43] <somsip> Backwards: and offtopic. Can we get back to support in here please
[05:43] <redengin> terrestrial or satellite too?
[05:43] <TheNH813> Will keep on topic. Sorry.
[05:46] <Backwards> Somsip nobody else is talking except the above. Do you have something to add here?
[05:46] <jim> Backwards, at this moment your chest is leading your head by about 20 feet
[05:46] <Backwards> Jim that is funny.
[05:46] <somsip> Backwards: I'll add to on-topic chat when I can help, shut up when I can't, and try to keep offtopic chat off channel. Politely.
[05:47] <Backwards> Well then, pardon me for living.
[05:48] <Backwards> By the way TheNH813 did you know that Ubuntu has built in Easter Eggs?
[05:48] <jim> Backwards, wait, if you're apologizing for living,,, by "living", do you refer to the act of talking here? if so... you're claiming to live on irc
[05:49] <somsip> !behelpful | jim
[05:49] <plop_its_ellie> I think its important to not have too much dead air
[05:49] <Backwards> LOL Jim
[05:49] <plop_its_ellie> cuz the ubuntu-br and ubuntu-pt especailly is basically a wasteland
[05:49] <plop_its_ellie> and when someone does come in for help noone is usually around
[05:49] <somsip> plop_its_ellie: channel guidelines disagree. It's simple - support here, chat elsewhere
[05:50] <plop_its_ellie> somsip, yea i know, but eventually the channel kinda fades and if someone needs help noone will really be around as in the case with the -pt and -br channels
[05:51] <jim> somsip, oh, I'm familiar with the issue... it's just not one that's on topic here
[05:52] <LaxSlash> Having an issue with CUPS shared printers being accessed via lpd. cups-bsd is installed, but if I connect to my IP (<IP_ADDRESS>) and specify the name/queue of the printer (VIRTU-PDF-B), nothing goes through.
[05:52] <somsip> plop_its_ellie: never happens. It's
[05:52] <LaxSlash> Ubuntu 14.04
[05:52] <Backwards> The fact of the matter is that there are those who bring a channel to life. Stop being stodgy. People open up to kindness rather than strict dictitorial rules.
[05:53] <Backwards> Have a nice day folks.
[05:53] <somsip> !guidelines | Backwards (you are not a regular here)
[05:53] <jim> Backwards, unfortunately they have rules here... probably the best thing to do is relax and breathe
[05:55] <hmir> Hey guys. I have xubuntu 14.10. I've have heard that upgrading 14.10 to 16.04 is a huge hassle, and that I may have to upgrade first to 15.04 and then from 15.04 to 16.04. Is this accurage?
[05:55] <hmir> I would prefer a clean insstall, but the cdrom drive on my laptop is faulty, and the laptop BIOS is old, does not support booting from USB. So, I would prefer to upgrade the release from within the OS. Any advice/recommendation?
[05:55] <jim> hmir, can you boot a usb stick?
[05:55] <Ben64> hmir: 14.10 -> 15.04 -> 15.10 -> 16.04
[05:56] <jim> oh, you just said probably no
[05:56] <somsip> hmir: it's not a huge hassle as such, but any upgrade can be problematic. Clean install is (arguably) always better.
[05:56] <Ben64> hmir: theres a little cd you can boot (forget the name) that lets you boot from usb
[05:58] <plop_its_ellie> https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/download.html
[05:58] <hateball> !eolupgrade | hmir
[05:58] <plop_its_ellie> you can burn that to a cd and boot the usb from there
[05:58] <plop_its_ellie> tho even a lot of old computers can still boot from usb
[05:59] <swift110-phone> lol
[06:02] <plop_its_ellie> swift110-phone, most of the pre 2006 machines i work with at work have booted from usb just fine
[06:04] <swift110-phone> really
[06:06] <plop_its_ellie> swift110-phone, yea, even most of the old pentium 4 boxes
[06:09] <theptr> hi yesterday i was asking here about how to install an old version of qtcreator on ubuntu 16.04 64bit
[06:09] <theptr> someone told me to compile it from source
[06:10] <theptr> Now thats finished but now i have a bunch of files and dont know how to install this
[06:11] <somsip> theptr: you would potentially have an easily time installing an older version of ubuntu (that has the version of qtcreator you want) in a VM
[06:11] <somsip> *easier
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> theptr: or file a new !bug on the current version of qtcreator, for the issue you experience
[06:12] <theptr> somsip, yes i know but the problem is that i have to get it to run on the 16.04 i have no other option (work you know)
[06:13] <plop_its_ellie> couldnt he just search on packages.ubuntu.com for an older version of qt creator from an older repo
[06:13] <plop_its_ellie> from lets say trusty
[06:14] <plop_its_ellie> kinda a dirty solution tho
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> plop_its_ellie: its recommended not to mix package versions
[06:14] <Ben64> no thats how to break stuff
[06:14] <somsip> theptr: fair enough. There are loads of PPAs for qt - have you browsed to see if anything can solve your issue? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=qtcreator
[06:15] <theptr> plop_its_ellie, yes been trying that also but the oldest version i could found was 2.6.0 and i need 2.5.2 package
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> theptr: can you explain whats going wrong with qtcreator on 16.04, that you need an old version?
[06:16] <theptr> lotuspsychje, not fully because the project i have to work on is confidential (work)
[06:16] <theptr> lotuspsychje, the program i have to get to work is designed to work with the old version was told me (something for automotive ^^ )
[06:17] <hmir> jim, Ben64, plop_its_ellie, hateball: Like I've mentioned, I cannot boot from USB because this old laptop does not support booting from usb, and the cdrtom drive doesn't work.
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> theptr: i hope you understand older versions can hold security risks
[06:17] <theptr> lotuspsychje, but they wanted me to get it work on an pine64 because of it's small size.
[06:17] <hmir> I need to upgrade from inside the OS.
[06:18] <theptr> lotuspsychje, yeah i know but if i tell it here it's like it worked on ubuntu 12.04 back in the days so it has to work on 16.04
[06:19] <hateball> hmir: The link I gave you provides you info how to do that
[06:19] <hateball> hmir: You need a working internet connection tho
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> !pinning | theptr perhaps try this method?
[06:20] <theptr> lotuspsychje,  okay going to give that i try . thanks for your time
[06:23] <hmir> hateball: Thanks. Got it.
[06:25] <hmir> hateball: Link is very old. Is it still accurate?
[06:27] <hateball> hmir: yes
[06:33] <hmir> hateball: It requires an adding a few lines to the sources.list - "deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ CODENAME main restricted universe multiverse" - Will the codename in this case be "xenial" or "xenial xerus"
[06:36] <hateball> hmir: no, it's the codename of your current release
[06:36] <h3x0r> come to meet you'r maker nigger , i am negga , join ##worldgamer
[06:36] <h3x0r> :)
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[06:36] <h3x0r> freeebook
[06:37] <h3x0r> free tutorial
[06:37] <hateball> hmir: cat /etc/issue
[06:37] <h3x0r> come to meet you'r maker nigger , i am negga , join ##worldgamer
[06:37] <h3x0r> freeebook
[06:37] <h3x0r> free tutorial
[06:37] <juanonymous> lol
[06:37] <somsip> !ops | h3x0r
[06:37] <h3x0r> freeos
[06:37] <hateball> hmir: then you update, upgrade, do-release-upgrade. and on 15.04, you repeat the process. until you are on 16.04
[06:38] <pavlushka> I need help with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/18214330/ please
[06:38] <hmir> thanks hateball!
[06:39] <h3x0r> come to meet you'r maker nigger , i am negga , join ##worldgamer
[06:39] <hateball> hmir: good luck and have patience :D
[06:39] <h3x0r> freeos
[06:39] <h3x0r> free tutorial
[06:39] <h3x0r> freeebook
[06:39] <h3x0r> come to meet you'r maker nigger , i am negga , join ##worldgamer
[06:39] <hmir> hateball: Can you tell me the difference between "apt-get dist-upgrade" and "do-release-upgrade"?
[06:40] <hmir> I need both commands, one after the other, but I'm curious what the difference is and why in that order?
[06:40] <brushdemon> pavlushka: ifconfig <interface> {up|down}
[06:41] <hateball> hmir: dist-upgrade upgrades the current release fully. do-release-upgrade moves you to next version of ubuntu
[06:41] <glass_> i made a tool to help people learn about all the commands needed i could think of off the top of my head for linux, several diff distros, pentesting, - 499 different commands - please check it out and give me feedback - https://github.com/LubuntuFu/fishfry
[06:41] <pavlushka> brushdemon: duh, thanks
[06:42] <brushdemon> no problem pavlushka
[06:43] <hmir> thanks, hateball!
[06:43] <brushdemon> not bad glass_, I'll save a copy if I need it
[06:44] <brushdemon> there's some stuff on there I didn't know about!
[06:44] <glass_> thanks - its my first ever type making something - but i wanted to give back to the community
[06:44] <glass_> type/time
[06:44] <glass_> i needed something for my resume think that will look good on it?
[06:46] <brushdemon> I'm not too sure, I couldn't get into tech so I gave up and work in another industry now
[06:46] <glass_> me too i am a industrial pipefitter
[06:47] <notadeveloper> anyone knows if its possible to run both nvidia and radeon cards on ubuntu
[06:47] <glass_> been self teaching my way into sec and more specificly ICS security but i just recently started landing interviews and contract jobs
[06:48] <hateball> notadeveloper: It is not
[06:48] <brushdemon> nice work glass_ :) I wish you the best of luck
[06:48] <notadeveloper> ok
[06:49] <glass_> thanks man
[06:50] <theptr> glass_, good job
[06:50] <glass_> thanks sir
[06:50] <glass_> you guys are honestly making my night i have worked for about a week on this and was unsure about releasing it as i didnt think it would be helpful
[06:50] <hateball> notadeveloper: The only way you could potentially use it would be with PCI passthrough to a VM. But you can't use both cards for the same running instance of Ubuntu
[06:51] <notadeveloper> ok
[06:53] <plop_its_ellie> someone got pci passthrough working???
[06:53] <theptr> glass_, also i couldn't get into the IT , so i started as a software tester and worked my way up
[06:53] <plop_its_ellie> last time i tried to do that I got some error about "tainted kernel"
[06:54] <plop_its_ellie> i didnt go any further cuz my whole system would freeze and lock up
[06:54] <glass_> thats awesome - theptr - i called ceo's cto's on the phone and talked to them about hiring me i sent out over 400 resume's i networked on linkedin did it all and am starting to see the results of 2 yrs of dedication
[06:55] <theptr> glass_, never give up on it
[06:57] <ddd333> what can i do to protect my ubuntu. create something on a usb drive? what to do in case my pc fails?
[06:58] <Shogoot> Hi all, im a bit frustradet trying to config a static ip on 16.04. I got another server running centos 6.4 with same gateway and netmask and its working fine im using /etc/network/interfaces on 16.04 iface ens32 inet static with address netmask gateway and dns.nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>. Im unable to ping anything thats not on my own network. Is there a sepsific log for networking in /etc?
[06:58] <ddd333> what can i do to protect my ubuntu. create something on a usb drive? how to do it? what to do in case my pc fails?
[06:59] <plop_its_ellie> ddd333, you mean like a recovery image?
[06:59] <ddd333> plop_its_ellie: yes, or like a recovery USB, nothing fancy. please guide me
[06:59] <plop_its_ellie> ddd333, well there is a peice of software called clonezilla you can use to make an image of your installation
[07:00] <plop_its_ellie> http://clonezilla.org/
[07:00] <ddd333> i guess it's not common for ubuntu not to restart
[07:00] <ddd333> plop_its_ellie: ty
[07:01] <plop_its_ellie> ddd333, ubuntu is pretty solid so you will rarely have to restart, also for clonezilla you must make a bootable usb/cd with it
[07:01] <plop_its_ellie> in order to boot it and proceed with the cloning pocess
[07:01] <ddd333> plop_its_ellie: yeah, maybe i'm stil traumatized from the old windows days
[07:02] <plop_its_ellie> dont worry most of those windows issues dont exsist in ubuntu or linux in general :)
[07:03] <ddd333> plop_its_ellie: :PPP
[07:04] <Dandels> ddd333, if your installation breaks you can stick in any generic linux live session media (such as the ubuntu installer) and fix stuff from the live session
[07:05] <ddd333> Dandels: thank you
[07:05] <Dandels> The same trick can be used to access windows files if the computer doesn't boot (or is password protected)
[07:05] <Dandels> Obviously you can't bypass encryption, though
[07:09] <Shogoot> Is there a speisifc log for network? in /var/log?
[07:10] <hateball> Shogoot: what do you mean by "network"
[07:10] <Dandels> Shogoot, I think it should all be in journalctl.
[07:10] <ddd333> quick question: this guy is so sarcastic with me. that's the only way he talks to me. do i really annoy him and he hates me? what do you think?
[07:11] <Shogoot> hateball, Dandels - Like in seeing error when i try to ping something outside my own network. I cant get a frikking static ip to work.
[07:11] <hateball> Shogoot: There's no logs of network traffic
[07:11] <hateball> Shogoot: You'll want to use something like wireshark for that
[07:13] <Shogoot> hateball, ah, well tahts not what i need i think. I got anotehr server with centos 6.4 with identical setup and this 16.04 server wont ping any outside ip. I can from my ubuntu 16.04 ping my centos, but nothing on the "intenret" both have smae dns-servername <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:14] <hateball> Shogoot: and what does your routing look like?
[07:14] <Shogoot> ah. i dont know. what was the command again?
[07:15] <Shogoot> nroute?
[07:15] <hateball> Shogoot: "route"
[07:15] <Anonymes> Hi
[07:15] <Shogoot> hateball, that is much empty.
[07:15] <Shogoot> wtf :)
[07:16] <hateball> you'll probably want to define a gateway if you expect your traffic to go anywhere
[07:16] <Shogoot> oh no ther eit throwed a output.
[07:17] <Shogoot> the gateway is correct and same as in centos 6.4
[07:17] <brushdemon> hola
[07:18] <Shogoot> hateball, look at this, does this seem ok for you? http://imgur.com/Lfg1Ewu
[07:19] <mojtaba> Hi, Do you know when was the release date of the stable version for 16.04 LTS?
[07:19] <mojtaba> Was it Jul. 01?
[07:19] <ddd333> july 21st
[07:19] <mojtaba> NAAAAA. 20 more days
[07:20] <mojtaba> ddd333: thanks
[07:20] <hateball> !ltsupgrade
[07:20] <hateball> oh, too late
[07:23] <Shogoot> hateball, look at this, does this seem ok for you? http://imgur.com/Lfg1Ewu
[07:26] <hateball> Shogoot: assuming <IP_ADDRESS> is your default gateway, yes
[07:27] <Shogoot> hateball, it is. Any suggestions on how to debug this?
[07:32] <temhaa> hello
[07:33] <temhaa> I want to ask about file permissions
[07:33] <temhaa> I have magento2 directory. And I created file as root named hasret2 under magent2 directory. You can see permission in here: http://imgur.com/8qcUwO3 .
[07:33] <temhaa> When I remove as normal user(named hasret user) I can't delete hasret2 file because of not allowed. But When I remove as www-data user I can remove that. Why?
[07:33] <temhaa> What is difference to remove between normal user and www-data user
[07:33] <temhaa> If I can't remove normal user so I am not able to remove as www-data, right?
[07:34] <theptr> still working on my ubuntu 16.04 problem's:) does someone know how to get libqtmultimediakit1 on ubuntu 16.04 ? if searched for the lauchpad but it says failed to build for xenial
[07:35] <theptr> but it should work on 12.04 and 14.04 so maybe there is a way around to get it to work on 16.04
[07:37] <ducasse> temhaa: the directory is owned by www-data, so it can remove files there.
[07:42] <robattila256> Hey when installing grub, do I install it to /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 (boot partition?)
[07:42] <ducasse> robattila256: uefi or legacy?
[07:42] <robattila256> uefi
[07:42] <robattila256> its asking me which to highlight and install grub to
[07:43] <ducasse> robattila256: then install grub to the efi partition.
[07:43] <robattila256> i dont know what that means
[07:43] <ducasse> robattila256: you should have an 'efi system partition' in your list of partitions, to be mounted at /boot/efi
[07:44] <robattila256> i just created /boot partition
[07:44] <robattila256> im gonna install it on that and hope it works
[07:44] <ducasse> robattila256: you will need /boot/efi too, and it has to be fat32.
[07:45] <plop_its_ellie> isnt the efi partition the boot parttion?
[07:45] <robattila256> well when I was installing ubuntu i created a 300mb ext4 /boot mount point
[07:45] <robattila256> cause thats the option it gave me
[07:45] <robattila256> and i pressed continue with uefi installation
[07:45] <tim241> how to fix this?: http://pastebin.com/pLbZNXV0
[07:45] <robattila256> imma try it and see if it works brb
[07:45] <plop_its_ellie> for efi it needs to be fat32
[07:45] <ducasse> plop_its_ellie: no, they are two different things.
[07:46] <plop_its_ellie> ducasse, i just opened gparted, it looks like ubuntu makes 2 seperate partitions for both
[07:46] <plop_its_ellie> hmmmm, when i install arch i normally just use /boot as the efi partition
[07:47] <ducasse> tim241: 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[07:48] <ducasse> plop_its_ellie: arch is not ubuntu :) arch also stores kernels etc in the efi partition afaik, ubuntu doesn't.
[07:49] <plop_its_ellie> ducasse, oh, i see. I assumed they were the same as far as that goes
[07:50] <robattila256> yay i got it working
[07:50] <robattila256> the /boot/efi was already created
[07:51] <robattila256> just had to install grub to /boot and thats it wasnt even fat32 just ext4
[07:51] <plop_its_ellie> yea since the /boot /efi are seperate then it should be fine
[07:52] <tim241> ducasse, how long does that take?
[07:52] <tim241> I am doing it now
[07:52] <tim241> but it takes LONG
[07:53] <ducasse> tim241: depends on the machine and network connection.
[07:53] <tim241> k
[07:54] <tim241> it is finally done
[07:56] <tim241> ducasse, thanks
[08:04] <pl7ofit> Hello bros, i have a problem with the CANYON mouse. Left click works not always This problem has been found in 16.04 kubuntu, ubuntu, ubuntu mate on two different laptops. Here output lsusb and udevadm http://paste.ubuntu.com/18217325/
[08:05] <tim241> is there a program that will allow me to create a simple GUI program?
[08:06] <tim241> nvm glade will do it
[08:07] <vbotka> pl7ofit, you might want to (1) open a terminal (2) start xev in it (3) click in the xev window and (4) check the events in the terminal
[08:07] <pl7ofit> tim241, zenity can make simple GUI with bash ...
[08:16] <diskin> hello, I'm trying to restore my usual keyboard setup in 16.04. when I was on 12.04, I had "right alt switches layout while pressed". so far, no solution found.
[08:19] <centric> upgraded my system from 15.10 to 16.04 but this upgraded isnt successful with few errors.
[08:19] <justsomeguy> diskin, I think you can do that with 'unity-tweak-tool'. Let me check.
[08:20] <justsomeguy> Oh, I forgot I was on windows.
[08:20] <centric> upgraded my system from 15.10 to 16.04 but this upgraded isnt successful with few errors.
[08:21] <cyberorg> hi folks, I'd like to announce this to everyone Li-f-e: Linux for Education based on Ubuntu https://sourceforge.net/projects/cyberorg-home/files/Li-f-e/
[08:21] <centric> Setting up libvirt-bin (1.3.1-1ubuntu10.1) ...
[08:21] <centric> Job for libvirt-bin.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status libvirt-bin.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[08:21] <centric> invoke-rc.d: initscript libvirt-bin, action "restart" failed.
[08:22] <justsomeguy> diskin, IIRC there is an option to do that under 'keyboard' or 'typing' in unity-tweak-tool. I'm just going off of memroy, though.
[08:23] <diskin> justsomeguy, found it in gnome tweak, thanks. trying...
[08:23] <justsomeguy> diskin, good luck. Otherwise, I guess you could look at tools like xmodmap and xcape.
[08:27] <hasanin> hello, I am using ubuntu trusty, with enligtenment17 , how can I configure input layout per application. all gnome tutorials are not applicable.
[08:27] <hasanin> is there a way to apply it via command line?
[08:28] <justsomeguy> hasanin, So, just to clarify, you want to change your keyboard layout based on what application you're currently using?
[08:28] <abhishek__> hi
[08:29] <abhishek__> Any fix for this https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107421. It blows my syslog and make my laptop really slow. Using kubuntu 16.04(Linux hp 4.4.0-28-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 24 10:09:13 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:29] <abhishek__> )
[08:30] <hasanin> juanonymous, exactly here is what I seek http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/28393/auto-change-keyboard-layout-based-on-application-focus
[08:30] <hasanin> but it is for gnome
[08:30] <juanonymous> ?
[08:30] <diskin> juanonymous, it was for justsomeguy
[08:31] <hasanin> juanonymous, sorry
[08:31] <juanonymous> aw, ok
[08:31] <juanonymous> sorry
[08:31] <hasanin> justsomeguy, http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/28393/auto-change-keyboard-layout-based-on-application-focus
[08:32] <hasanin> that is what i need to do but via command line
[08:32] <hasanin> or how to do it on enlightenment 17
[08:33] <pl7ofit> vbotka, i will try to do it
[08:33] <centric> Setting up libvirt-bin (1.3.1-1ubuntu10.1) ...
[08:33] <centric> Job for libvirt-bin.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status libvirt-bin.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[08:33] <centric> invoke-rc.d: initscript libvirt-bin, action "restart" failed.
[08:33] <abhishek__> how to report this bug ubuntu-bug <??>
[08:34] <ducasse> centric: the error message tells you what to do.
[08:35] <centric> ducasse, this is error i'm getting after upgrading from 15.10 to 16.04
[08:37] <centric> Setting up libvirt-bin (1.3.1-1ubuntu10.1) ...
[08:37] <centric> Job for libvirt-bin.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status libvirt-bin.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[08:37] <centric> invoke-rc.d: initscript libvirt-bin, action "restart" failed.
[08:37] <centric> dpkg: error processing package libvirt-bin (--configure):
[08:37] <centric>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[08:37] <centric> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:37] <ikonia> centric: ok, what does journalctl show
[08:37] <ikonia> why is it failing,
[08:37] <jiggawattz> centric ▸ you probably want to do that in a pastebin
[08:37] <jiggawattz> Drone` ▸ unquiet that man
[08:38] <ikonia> it will do it automatically in minute
[08:39] <centric> output of "journalctl -xe": https://paste.ubuntu.com/18219205/
[08:39] <theptr> someone who knows where i can find libqtmultimediakit1_1.2.0-1ubuntu2_armhf.deb
[08:40] <theptr> im trying to find this deb on the internet with no succes for the moment
[08:40] <ikonia> centric: read the output yourself
[08:40] <ikonia> not just blindly paste it
[08:40] <ikonia> what do you think is happening
[08:40] <ducasse> centric: check output of 'systemctl status -l libvirt-bin.service'
[08:41] <centric> https://paste.ubuntu.com/18219304/
[08:41] <ikonia> centric: no just paste
[08:41] <ikonia> centric: READ
[08:41] <ikonia> you're also cutting off detail
[08:41] <ducasse> centric: and don't leave the '-l' out.
[08:42] <ikonia> if you are trying to run virtualization services, you should have basic debugging ability
[08:42] <ikonia> not just cut and paste things and expect people to fix it for you
[08:42] <ikonia> there should be some thought/evaluation about whats going on
[08:42] <Celphish> Does anyone here use the mail-client "evolution"?
[08:42] <centric> https://paste.ubuntu.com/18219367/
[08:42] <ikonia> Celphish: not for a long time, whats up
[08:43] <centric> ikonia, i'm not using virtualization
[08:43] <centric> i just have upgraded from 15.10 to 16.04
[08:43] <Gazyrlezon> I used to use Evolution once, still do for calendar sometimes.
[08:43] <Celphish> ikonia: I'm baffled by the settings, I need to use "TLS Encryption" for my smtp-settings, but all I can find is the "STARTTLS on connection", which doesn't work since TLS has to be active from the get-go
[08:43] <ikonia> centric: yet your running libvritd
[08:44] <centric> ikonia, may be its from virtualbox i guess
[08:44] <centric> as i dont use qmeu
[08:44] <ikonia> centric: .....and yet you've just said "I'm not doing virtualization"
[08:44] <ikonia> centric: let me guess, vbox from the external PPA
[08:44] <ikonia> rather than the one ubuntu provides
[08:44] <Celphish> Or is there a better option for connecting to Exchange? I need mail, contacts and calendar to be synced
[08:45] <ikonia> Celphish: it's the only option for exchange and it's setup is dubvious as it basically wraps the exchange imap service
[08:45] <Celphish> ikonia: oh, ok, then I have to figure out how to get the "TLS encryption"-option to appear.. I know it has been there from screenshots when I googled it, but other than that, I'm stuck :/
[08:46] <centric> ikonia, i dont remember it now, but will removing VB will solve problem??
[08:46] <ikonia> if you're not using it - remove libvirtd
[08:46] <neredsenvy> Why do I get systemctl not found
[08:46] <ikonia> and I'd certainly look where you got vbox from
[08:46] <ikonia> neredsenvy: whatversion of ubuntu
[08:46] <neredsenvy> sudo: systemctl: command not found
[08:46] <neredsenvy> sec
[08:47] <Dandels> Celphish, I wonder if this is one of those cases where you have to specify imaps:// instead of imap://
[08:47] <neredsenvy> 140.4
[08:47] <ikonia> neredsenvy: it's not used in 14.04
[08:47] <centric> libvirt0            libvirt-glib-1.0-0 which should i remove?
[08:47] <neredsenvy> crap
[08:47] <neredsenvy> what now
[08:47] <ikonia> neredsenvy: what do you mean "what now"
[08:48] <Dandels> neredsenvy, what are you trying to do?
[08:48] <Dandels> presumably start/enable a service?
[08:48] <neredsenvy> trying to configure openVPN trying to start the server the command is sudo systemctl start openvpn@server
[08:48] <Celphish> Dandels: well, imap+, is being used for receiving info, which works, but for the outgoing mails I have to use TLS encryption, which isn't an option I'm afraid
[08:48] <neredsenvy> yes
[08:48] <ikonia> neredsenvy: where are you getting this command from ?
[08:48] <ikonia> neredsenvy: as it sounds like thats for another distro/version
[08:48] <Dandels> Celphish, there's smtps. I'm just looking at my mutt config and making guesses here, though
[08:49] <Celphish> oh, nice, there is a channel on another irc-network, I'm going there :D
[08:49] <centric> ikonia, which pkg should i remove? libvirt0 or libvirt-glib-1.0-0 or both?
[08:49] <Dandels> Yeah, good luck :p
[08:49] <Celphish> Dandels: oh, ok, thanks for the input anyhow :)
[08:49] <neredsenvy> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-openvpn-server-on-ubuntu-16-04
[08:49] <abhishek__> Please suggest something related to fixing this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1588428
[08:49] <abhishek__> Filed a month ago :)
[08:49] <neredsenvy> Step 9
[08:49] <abhishek__> ??
[08:49] <Dandels> neredsenvy, you're following 16.04 instructions on 14.04
[08:49] <sergioad> Hello
[08:50] <OerHeks> abhishek__, [Medium,Incomplete] , make it complete?
[08:50] <neredsenvy> FML
[08:50] <abhishek__> OerHeks, It is complete, provided all info I can.
[08:50] <Dandels> neredsenvy, update to 16.04, problem solved ;D
[08:51] <neredsenvy> ...
[08:51] <sergioad> friends I need help; how can I make xboxdrv start at boot with the --silent --mimic-xpad? tags?
[08:51] <abhishek__> OerHeks, Sorry I am not sure what to do ?
[08:52] <tim241> ...
[08:52] <hateball> abhishek__: Do what is being asked, test the kernel on your machine
[08:52] <OerHeks> abhishek__, they want you to test that kernel, and waiting for results
[08:53] <hateball> abhishek__: There's no backup needed just to install a mainline kernel, it wont remove your current one so you can switch during boot as you please
[08:53] <abhishek__> hateball, someone had already done https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1588428/comments/13
[08:53] <hateball> abhishek__: So? You're being asked to provide *your* resuts
[08:54] <hateball> abhishek__: Otherwise I may as well comment on your bug "oh no it works for me" and close it as invalid
[08:54] <Lachezar> Hey all. Trying to add a SOCKS server to my Ubuntu Server box, but after installing the package I can see no new services. How come?
[08:54] <sergioad> i asked that question because I have an XBOX controller but Guacamelee! steamworld dig and some other games does not works with Xpad but with xboxdrv
[08:56] <hateball> sergioad: is xboxdrv a service?
[08:57] <sergioad> no as far I know, it is a driver and could be executed with a xboxdrv --silent --mimic-xpad? hateball
[08:57] <abhishek__> hateball, still don't get someone has commented it doesn't work. I suspect it won't work on my system either.
[08:58] <hateball> abhishek__: Feel free to not follow the instructions given then
[08:58] <ducasse> abhishek__: don't suspect - check!
[08:58] <hateball> sergioad: do you run that command as a regular user? just make a startup script that runs it?
[08:59] <sergioad> I need to run it as root with sudo hateball
[09:02] <kilbith> i see an 'upstart' package on Xenial, am i right to assume upstart/systemd co-exist on the same system ?
[09:02] <hateball> sergioad: you can make it quick and dirty and just drop it in either /etc/rc.local or @reboot in /etc/crontab
[09:03] <sergioad> thank you very much hateball
[09:04] <justxux> kilbith, When I boot my PC in grub - advanced section, there is upstart kernel and systemd kernel
[09:05] <kilbith> i guess there's an alternative in case if one of the init systems fails
[09:08] <sergioad> hateball: I will reboot to test the effectivity of putting the command in rc.local :)
[09:12] <sergioad> hateball: WOW thank you very much, it worked
[09:13] <hateball> sergioad: :)
[09:15] <sergioad> seriousl, hateball: thank you very much :) I can now play withnot problems
[09:17] <kilbith> take a room both of you
[09:31] <nd_> hey chat, with samba you can force the user/group, is it possible to do this with SFTP too? I'd like to edit files without chowning every time or without loosening the perms
[09:32] <justxux> Better ask this on samba related chats and forums.
[09:32] <nd_> Ok justxux :)
[09:33] <justxux> nd_, :)
[09:33] <Ben64> how is that a samba question?
[09:39] <ChengLong> Can anyone explain to me the main differences between Linux Mint and Ubuntu (eg. hardware compatibility)?
[09:40] <humanoid1> Hi Anyone know how to find the remote desktop preferences in Mate. It's hiding
[09:41] <ducasse> ChengLong: since it is mint that is a derivative of ubuntu, maybe you should ask them what they have changed?
[09:44] <ChengLong> I'm trying to get a a Microsoft Xbox 360 gamepad to work in Ubuntu. Just thinkng that Linux Mint might be able to auto-detect it as I 've had no luck with Ubuntu.
[09:44] <Sandy> Hi, I have question.
[09:45] <hateball> ChengLong: I think you may need to install xboxdrv, but I don't use that controller myself so I am not 100%
[09:47] <ChengLong> I checked in Syanptic and xbox360drv is already installed uner my Xubuntu install so thx anyway gateball
[09:47] <kilbith> why there's no burning software installed by default on ubuntu ?
[09:47] <ChengLong> I'll reinstall it just in case anyway
[09:47] <ikonia> pretty sure the library for burning is there by default
[09:47] <ikonia> you just select the interface you want
[09:48] <kilbith> ikonia, if you mean 'dvd+rw-tools', no it ain't installed by default
[09:48] <Sandy> when we get package source by "apt-get source pkgname", how do I identify which branch, commit number the source is from. Eg. when I get samba source "apt-get source samba" , it download source and show git url "git://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-samba/samba.git". But I don't know which branch/commit user in tarball of source code.
[09:49] <Lachezar> Hm. Is there any SOCKS server for Ubuntu? Not ssh-tunnel, but proper multi-client SOCKS proxy (with support for no authentication)?
[09:49] <ChengLong> Also, does anyone know how to burn data files onto Blu-ray drives under Ubuntu? Would greatly appreciate the help as I usually have failed writes using K3b
[09:49] <ChengLong> Sorry, I meant Blu-ray Discs
[09:53] <ivo34> hello I need help with ue4 compiling. I followed this indications: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lAzIFpR0wY but i get this error: http://pastebin.com/yb2gjUMq
[10:00] <jdelers> where can i find the apache2 server logs
[10:01] <quazimodo> hullo all
[10:01] <quazimodo> so I've asked this once before, i'm somewhat concerned
[10:02] <quazimodo> is bluetooth/blueman/bluez known to be buggy in 16.04?
[10:02] <quazimodo> my a2dp (bose ae2 soundlink) has tremendous difficulty pairing and proving an audio sink
[10:02] <quazimodo> it works perfectly with mac computers ofcourse
[10:02] <Gazyrlezon> jdelers: just use a search engine, gives you (for example) this: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#errorlog
[10:06] <jdelers> Gazyrlezon:  got that, but there are .gz files in there, what i need is where the console.log("something") will be displayed
[10:07] <Gazyrlezon> Ah, okay. Sadly, I can't help you with that.
[10:09] <akik> jdelers: probably in the same directory than your web application resides in
[10:13] <latemus> hola
[10:13] <harout> hi all
[10:14] <jdelers> akik: the web app resides somewhere in var/www/ and the logs are at var/logs/apache2/   where can i find the one that i should
[10:16] <harout> i'm asking how can i get the old release respiratory?
[10:17] <minimec> harout: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[10:17] <akik> jdelers: you can use zgrep to find text in the compressed files
[10:19] <minimec> harout: in /etc/apt/sources.list... add something like this..."deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal universe"
[10:19] <harout> how can i get the lo=ist of links?
[10:19] <harout> how can i get the list of links?
[10:21] <sergio> hello
[10:23] <ducasse> harout: what list of links?
[10:25] <harout> the list for available in my release
[10:25] <harout> the list that available to my release
[10:26] <ducasse> harout: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[10:26] <harout> respiratory
[10:26] <vishwanath> How to create path for filevault.tgz in ubuntu14.04?
[10:27] <akik> vishwanath: your question needs some more info
[10:28] <harout> how can i save/backup my apt deb archive and restore it?
[10:28] <ducasse> harout: tar?
[10:29] <akik> vishwanath: what are you trying to accomplish?
[10:29] <ducasse> harout: are you talking about the packages in /var/cache/apt on your local system?
[10:30] <minimec> harout: 'dpkg --get-selections >/backup/package-selections' in a console to get the list of installed packages
[10:30] <minimec> harout: you will get a file called package-selections in your /home directory.
[10:30] <jdelers> vishwanath:  if you are trying to install AEM this will be useful to you  http://daycq.blogspot.in/2012/02/installing-filevault-vlt.html
[10:31] <minimec> harout: see... https://wiki.debian.org/ListInstalledPackages
[10:31] <annaka> I cant resize Guest window in virt-manager.
[10:31] <jdelers> and your quesn seems vague, please always ask the quesn providing what you have tried and what you really need vishwanath
[10:32] <jdelers> i have assumed you are trying to install the AEM locally or  something ?? vishwanath
[10:34] <akik> what is aem?
[10:34] <jdelers> adobe experience manager
[10:34] <jdelers> AEM
[10:35] <akik> never heard about that. not probably packaged in ubuntu?
[10:36] <jdelers> yes not packaged in ubuntu, it is proprietary
[10:37] <jdelers> i guess he is literally new to using the ubuntu
[10:37] <kopf> On a clean install of 16.04, if I do an apt-get upgrade and then reboot, my display is blank. What can I do to prevent this? Is there any extra X11/compiz monitor detection I can run before rebooting so I don't end up with a blank screen?
[10:37] <Haris> hello all
[10:38] <jdelers> anyways until i could hear frm vishwanath  i cannot answer/help you with what you need
[10:38] <Haris> I have a crontab job going something like ---> @reboot    cd /home/user/scripts/scriptfolder; rm -f some old pid files; nohup ./script-to-run.sh >/dev/null 2>&1 & <--- is this right syntax on 14.4 LTS ?
[10:38] <tatertots> hi haris
[10:39] <Haris> hey
[10:39] <akik> jdelers: maybe he's cross posting his question elsewhere and isn't reading this channel
[10:41] <tatertots> well haris , does it run ? does it produce the expected results?
[10:41] <vishwanath> I have tried to set path using terminal and it shows that "we cannot execute file"
[10:41] <vishwanath> I am using it for aem
[10:41] <tatertots> Hey it's Andybee
[10:41] <Haris> it didn't. I guess it did. but script exited due to existence of pid file. fixed it in crontab job setting
[10:41] <akik> vishwanath: you don't execute a tar file
[10:42] <vishwanath> I have extracted the file tried to set path  in terminal
[10:44] <vishwanath> and it shows we cannot execute file
[10:45] <akik> vishwanath: if you are in the same directory as the script/binary you want to execute, use ./script or ./binary
[10:46] <ducasse> vishwanath: you might need to set it executable with chmod +x.
[10:47] <annaka> hey any?
[10:48] <vishwanath> I got it
[10:49] <geirha> Haris: Never cd in a script without testing if it failed. Especially not when the next command is rm
[10:49] <Haris> hmm
[10:49] <jdelers> vishwanath:  congrats!! and thanks i am struggling to help you here
[10:49] <geirha> cd /some/dir || exit; rm ...
[10:50] <akik> vishwanath: if you need to add that path to your user's startup scripts, you can add it to $HOME/.bashrc
[10:50] <harout> is there an apt way to save/backup my apt deb archive and restore it?
[10:50] <akik> (if using bash of course)
[10:51] <ducasse> harout: apt-clone
[10:51] <Haris> ah that
[10:52] <Haris> updated my conrtab with || exit part
[10:52] <Haris> crontab+
[10:52] <harout> i read the man page apt-clone, ok
[10:53] <hateball> Haris: usually it's a lot less messy you use an actual script, rather than run it all on one line in crontab
[10:54] <Haris> I agree
[10:54] <Haris> I just don't want to do /home/username/scripts/scriptfolder/script-name.sh long command line to make it work. lol
[10:55] <Haris> plus the script is not coded to dispose off of old pid files on next reboot
[10:55] <PrashanT> i am using ubuntu 14.04  whenever i am trying to approach any website  through my web browser  i got re direct to id-domain errors.com !!! what's happening to my system
[10:57] <PrashanT> can anybody sought out my problem?
[10:57] <Haris> what's the difference between having pid files vs using flock() ? meaning, how are the pid files managed ? especially when the script being run, and the pid files being managed are under a normal linux user account
[11:00] <tatertots> PrashanT what browser are you  using?
[11:01] <prashant_> i am using chrome
[11:01] <prashant_> but how do u know that i have browser releated issue??
[11:01] <b1tpunk> because you have a redirect issue
[11:02] <b1tpunk> something is hijacking your browser
[11:02] <b1tpunk> most likely an addon
[11:02] <tatertots> PrashanT you literally mentioned "web browser" when you described the issue you were having above.
[11:02] <b1tpunk> ^^^
[11:02] <tatertots> Unless that is a different PrashanT
[11:03] <prashant_> so what should  i do if someone is hijacking my system then it can be disaster for me
[11:03] <OerHeks> prashant_, can you ping www.bing.com ?
[11:04] <prashant_> yes i am getting response from bing.com
[11:04] <OerHeks> oke, no dns issue
[11:04] <prashant_> then what's  the problem?
[11:05] <b1tpunk> yeah, just read about the dns issue.
[11:05] <b1tpunk> Apparently it is a common thing for ISPs to do
[11:05] <OerHeks> ubuntu 14.04 32 bit?
[11:05] <b1tpunk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISP_redirect_page
[11:05] <prashant_> nope 64 bit
[11:05] <Haris> thank you all
[11:06] <prashant_> when i change my dns settings  by applying google dns servers ... <IP_ADDRESS> ,<IP_ADDRESS>   then  it does not redirect me to id-domain errors
[11:07] <prashant_> why?
[11:07] <ducasse> prashant_: read the wikipedia article.
[11:07] <OerHeks> does this happen on all computers in your network?
[11:08] <tatertots> glad you found a solution that allows to you use the internet normally prashant_ :)
[11:08] <prashant_> no it is not happening on all computers in my network
[11:10] <b100s> hello, how can i change workplace by hotkey ? do ctlr+alt+arrow key is boring especially when you goign to change space from first to third.
[11:10] <b100s> i mean i want do it like - go to second one, or go to third one
[11:14] <Eldsomon> b100s: I think there's a hotkey for that. Don't remember it, but you can look it up in the Settings (or define your own there). Not using Unity right now, but maybe its also on the hotkey iverview you get when pressing the meta key.
[11:15] <Eldsomon> Overview, not iverview....
[11:15] <b100s> Eldsomon, how can i define it? how can check is it defined?
[11:16] <b100s> i'm quite newbie
[11:18] <Eldsomon> Never fear; if you open the settings menu there should be an option "keyboard" (or something similar), click on it, it should present you with a list of all hotkeys.
[11:19] <atralheaven_> I have a list that each line has something like "a" "b" in it, and I have a comment that needs two argument, I want to pass a and b from that list as arguments for that command for each line of that list, how can I do it?
[11:20] <atralheaven_> I know I need a for loop but I don't know how to use it
[11:20] <kilbith> show us your code
[11:21] <kilbith> besides, that's not a channel for discussing code
[11:21] <atralheaven_> kilbith: are you talking to me?
[11:21] <kilbith> yes
[11:21] <atralheaven_> there is no code
[11:22] <atralheaven_> I just want to run a command with each line of a text file in front of it
[11:22] <atralheaven_> for all lines of that file
[11:22] <kilbith> so you have a list of commands in a file, right ?
[11:23] <atralheaven_> I have a list of arguments that needs to be in front of a command in a file
[11:23] <atralheaven_> but I can easily add that command in front of each line
[11:23] <atralheaven_> so I would have a list of commands
[11:24] <atralheaven_> should I turn it to a bash script and run it?
[11:24] <kilbith> sorry i hardly visualize what you mean
[11:24] <b100s> right, Eldsomon thanks ) done!
[11:26] <atralheaven_> imagine I have a list of files that I need to move, each line has two directory addresses, first the one that the file already exist in it, and second the directory that I want to move the file to it, (just as an example, this is not the actual case) I want to run mv command for each line of that list
[11:27] <atralheaven_> like "mv /a/file /b/file" that the "/a/file /b/file" part is in the list
[11:30] <kilbith> atralheaven_, have you tried to pass your args with a function ?
[11:30] <kilbith> s/with/in
[11:31] <atralheaven_> no, im thinking of turning the list file into a bash script by adding mv command in beginning of each line, that should work, right?
[11:32] <kilbith> you don't need to put 'mv' on each line
[11:32] <kilbith> just make a function and put "${1}" and "${2}" for the a/b args
[11:34] <kilbith> i'd better advice you with a concrete example
[11:45] <ivo34> hello how can I tell which hardware part each temperature is in sensors? http://pastebin.com/Qihm51ac
[11:45] <harout_> i used the apt-clone clone to backup the apt deb archive and it does not include them the clone tar file
[11:49] <ducasse> harout_: i asked you earlier to clarify what you meant, and you didn't. just copy /var/cache/apt/archives/
[11:51] <harout_> sorry for the inconvenience, i did that and compress it
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:56] <ivo34> TEMP1 = MOBO TEMP2= CPU TEMP3=GPU???
[11:57] <ivo34> does anybody know for sure?
[11:57] <ivo34> sensors
[11:58] <chickahoona> Hello beloved Ubuntu homies :) Im currenty trying to update /etc/sudoers.d/somefile with ansible. File looks good, rights are exactly the same, content too, yet it seems to have ABSOLUTLY no effect when I create them with ansible. Anyone ever ran into the same problem?
[12:01] <ikonia> chickahoona: what do you mean no impact
[12:01] <ikonia> how you create the file doesn't matter as long as it's valid
[12:01] <ikonia> visudo has an automatic lint component in it
[12:02] <chickahoona> ikonia I have a playbook that creates the file
[12:02] <ikonia> yes, I guessed that when you said "I'm using ansible to update it"
[12:03] <chickahoona> :D
[12:03] <ikonia> please re-read what I actually said
[12:03] <chickahoona> thats my command:    copy: src=sudoers.d_{{ ansible_os_family }} dest=/etc/sudoers.d/nagios owner=root group=root mode=0440 validate='visudo -cf %s'
[12:03] <kulelu88> Hi all. When I try to cp files from 1 folder to another, I am getting an error. Here is my command: sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /var/cache-clone/apt/archives/ ... I get this result:
[12:03] <kulelu88> cp: cannot stat ‘/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb’: No such file or directory
[12:03] <ikonia> again......re-read what I actually said
[12:04] <ikonia> kulelu88: it means there is no such file that matches *.deb
[12:04] <chickahoona> The content of my file is: "nagios ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_firewall"
[12:04] <ikonia> chickahoona: again.....re-read what I said
[12:04] <kulelu88> ikonia: but when I specify the exact filename of a single file, it copies it. How do I use *.deb to copy all .deb files?
[12:04] <chickahoona> so this command should not ask me for a password: "sudo -u nagios -H /usr/bin/sudo /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_firewall"
[12:05] <chickahoona> yet it asks for a password
[12:05] <EriC^^> kulelu88: are you using bash?
[12:05] <ikonia> chickahoona: you can't be that blind
[12:05] <ikonia> chickahoona: look at the command you are doing
[12:05] <kulelu88> EriC^^: yes I am
[12:05] <ikonia> chickahoona: sudo -u nagios /usr/bin/sudo
[12:05] <ikonia> chickahoona: you're using sudo to execute sudo
[12:06] <EriC^^> kulelu88: what does "echo /*" return?
[12:07] <chickahoona> hae? ok again. if I create my "/etc/sudoers.d/nagios" file on the command line i can execute "sudo -u nagios -H /usr/bin/sudo /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_firewall" without password
[12:07] <kulelu88> sudo echo of the path returns: /var/cache/apt/archives/*   ... sudo echo of *.deb returns: /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
[12:07] <kulelu88> EriC^^: ^^
[12:08] <EriC^^> kulelu88: no, just "echo /*"
[12:08] <EriC^^> it should return /bin /dev etc
[12:08] <chickahoona> If I create "/etc/sudoers.d/nagios" with ansible I cannot execute "sudo -u nagios -H /usr/bin/sudo /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_firewall" without password
[12:08] <chickahoona> how do you explain that?
[12:08] <ikonia> chickahoona: first of all why are you executing sudo 2 times
[12:08] <ikonia> chickahoona: sudo -u nagios /usr/bin/sudo
[12:09] <ikonia> that dosn't make sense
[12:09] <chickahoona> ...
[12:09] <chickahoona> first sudo executes under my user
[12:09] <chickahoona> second sudo is part of the command that the "nagios" user executes
[12:09] <ikonia> chickahoona: right, so you're calling sudo to call sudo
[12:09] <kulelu88> sorry EriC^^ . this is what it returns (partial output): /bin /boot /cdrom /dev /etc
[12:09] <EriC^^> kulelu88: ok, so globbing is working
[12:09] <chickahoona> yes I try to call "sudo ..." as user nagios
[12:09] <ikonia> chickahoona: the otherthing is check the validity of the file you're dropping in with ansible, as I've said visudo has a solid lint in it
[12:10] <EriC^^> kulelu88: type ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
[12:11] <kulelu88> EriC^^: ls: cannot access /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb: No such file or directory
[12:12] <EriC^^> kulelu88: ok, and ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives | head
[12:12] <chickahoona> "visudo -cf /etc/sudoers.d/nagios" returns "/etc/sudoers.d/nagios: parsed OK"
[12:12] <chickahoona> so all seems fine
[12:12] <chickahoona> lint is not the problem
[12:13] <kulelu88> EriC^^: on each of them I am using 'sudo' , I just thought I should mention this cause everything in the /var/ is owned by 'root'
[12:13] <EriC^^> kulelu88: ok
[12:14] <kulelu88> EriC^^: the result of the last command you suggested shows: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   67564 Feb 16 19:17 base-files_7.2ubuntu5.4_amd64.deb (again, partial output, with all the other .deb files being listed)
[12:14] <chickahoona> is ansible "bypassing" the file creation process somwhow, so the "service" monitoring the changes doesnt see that new file?
[12:14] <EriC^^> kulelu88: that's pretty odd
[12:15] <EriC^^> kulelu88: as your normal user are you able to type ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[12:16] <kulelu88> EriC^^: permission denied for any command to reach that folder
[12:16] <EriC^^> kulelu88: ok, the permissions need fixing
[12:17] <chickahoona> ikonia any thoughts?
[12:17] <noka> Hi, I'm trying to run server(mysql) for my django project. and it raises the following error noka@nokamate:~$ cd ///media/noka/5CE4B200E4B1DC88/Linux/Django/ForTwoFiveFour
[12:17] <noka> noka@nokamate:/media/noka/5CE4B200E4B1DC88/Linux/Django/ForTwoFiveFour$ python manage.py runserver
[12:17] <noka> Performing system checks...
[12:17] <noka> Unhandled exception in thread started by <function wrapper at 0x7f8786463578>
[12:17] <noka> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:17] <noka>   File "/home/noka/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/autoreload.py", line 226, in wrapper
[12:17] <EriC^^> kulelu88: type ls -ld /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:18] <noka>     return getattr(connections[DEFAULT_DB_ALIAS], item)
[12:18] <noka>   File "/home/noka/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/functional.py", line 33, in __get__
[12:18] <noka>     res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance)
[12:18] <noka>   File "/home/noka/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 184, in data_types
[12:18] <noka>     if self.features.supports_microsecond_precision:
[12:18] <noka>   File "/home/noka/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/functional.py", line 33, in __get__
[12:18] <kulelu88> EriC^^: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Feb 19 02:55
[12:19] <EriC^^> ok, do ls -ld /var/cache/apt
[12:19] <noka>     conn = Database.connect(**conn_params)
[12:19] <noka>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/MySQLdb/__init__.py", line 81, in Connect
[12:19] <noka>     return Connection(*args, **kwargs)
[12:19] <noka>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 193, in __init__
[12:19] <noka>     super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs2)
[12:19] <noka> django.db.utils.OperationalError: (1045, "Access denied for user 'noka'@'localhost' (using password: YES)")
[12:20] <versuchsanstalt> I have just installed 16.04 LTS amd64 with automatic partitioning. The install resides on an ssd. I'd like to move the swap to the hard drive that's also in the box. Could somebody please point me to a guide or a keyword what to read? thank you
[12:20] <kulelu88> was noka a bot? :/ sheesh, flooding the channel
[12:21] <kilbith> a ban wasn't necessary, the guy might have been not aware of the pastebins
[12:21] <nschoe> Hi everyone, I'm wondering about package `apt-utils`. What is it, what does it do? Do I need it? I'
[12:21] <nschoe> I am currently rewriting my Dockerfiles, and am trying to minimisze it, so I wonder: do I need apt-utils ^^
[12:23] <kulelu88> EriC^^: I went all the way up and found flawed permissions here: drwxrwx--- 3 root root /var/lib/lxc/app1/ && 1 level above here: drwx------ 18 root root 4096 /var/lib/lxc/
[12:24] <EriC^^> kulelu88: no idea about lxc
[12:24] <Extreme21355> Drone`: ur there?
[12:25] <EriC^^> Extreme21355: Drone`s always as there as he'll be
[12:25] <kulelu88> EriC^^: in principle I am trying to send the cache from 1 container to the other
[12:25] <EriC^^> (he's a bot)
[12:25] <Extreme21355> EriC^^: is it a bot ?
[12:25] <Extreme21355> oh hehe
[12:25] <Extreme21355> so he can't unban that person?
[12:25] <Extreme21355> or 'it'
[12:26] <EriC^^> kulelu88: use bash inside of sudo maybe so the globbing can be done
[12:26] <kulelu88> versuchsanstalt: is there any reason you want the swap on the HDD?
[12:26] <EriC^^> kulelu88: type sudo -i and then run the command
[12:26] <versuchsanstalt> kulelu88: the usual "not too many rw cycles, please" voodoo prejudice, to be fair.
[12:26] <EriC^^> Extreme21355: no, he probably has a timer, /join #ubuntu-ops for unbans and stuff like that
[12:27] <versuchsanstalt> kulelu88: but I am actually thinking about leaving it on the ssd. what do you think?
[12:27] <Extreme21355> EriC^^: cool, thanks for the info
[12:27] <EriC^^> Extreme21355: np
[12:27] <versuchsanstalt> kulelu88: there's 8gb of ram on that machine, so I maybe shouldn't care about it at all
[12:27] <kulelu88> versuchsanstalt: apart from the performance slowdown you might get moving the swap to HDD, I'm not going to be "that guy" who says "don't do it", cause maybe it keeps your SSDs performance going longer
[12:28] <alias_neo> Can anybody point me at how to stop my screens flickering when I lock my screen on 16.04 gnome? I have a laptop with 2 external screens, the screens go into power save (due to the screen blanking) when I lock my computer, but as soon as they enter power save, they cause the laptop screen to flicker back on, which wakes them again, and it cycles on and off endlessly.
[12:29] <versuchsanstalt> kulelu88: yeah. I'm browsing swap faqs from askubuntu.com atm. but a guide to move the swap partition would be extremely handy...
[12:29] <Extreme21355> EriC^^: I've asked at the ops channel, that guy has been unbanned already
[12:30] <EriC^^> Extreme21355: ok, cool
[12:30] <kulelu88> EriC^^: seems like it worked under sudo -i
[12:30] <EriC^^> kulelu88: great
[12:32] <hateball> versuchsanstalt: not much to it. partition a drive, format some of it as swap, put it in /etc/fstab
[12:32] <versuchsanstalt> hateball: ok, I haven't done the fstab bit only, let's see.
[12:33] <versuchsanstalt> thank you both hateball and kulelu88
[12:33] <Heebie> versuchsanstalt: If you don't have partitions available, you can create swap on a loopback device that uses a file on a disk.
[12:33] <versuchsanstalt> Heebie: oh no, it's already partitioned, thank you
[12:34] <DJones> w 20
[12:43] <Indrek> Hi i accidentally deleted root partition
[12:43] <Indrek> and rescue doesnt find anything
[12:43] <Indrek> what else could i try ?
[12:43] <chickahoona> Indrek Forensic tools
[12:44] <chickahoona> and then reinstall everything
[12:44] <chickahoona> or restore from backup
[12:44] <Indrek> it's a demo pc didnt have a backup
[13:01] <ifnotnowthenwhy> Hi all, I've got a server that have both sendmail and postfix installed, both with different configurations, in the cronjob i got mails successfully going out via /usr/sbin/sendmail, but how can I figure out which configuration files /usr/bin/mail is using to send? (sendmail.mc or main.cf from postfix?)
[13:01] <ifnotnowthenwhy> Thanks in advance
[13:05] <noka_> Hi, developing a python django project but opted using mysql instead of sqlite. However when I runserver it says http://paste.ubuntu.com/18231186/ any idea what I am doing wrong?\
[13:07] <Pici> noka_: you are failing to login to your mysql server, also, this question is far better suited for #django or perhaps #python.
[13:17] <noka_> pici, thank you. How do I join the channels. Also are #django and #python on this server? Forgive my novice ignorance.
[13:17] <Pici> noka_: They are.  Just type /join #django   here
[13:17] <noka_> Thank you.
[13:21] <Capum321> to build monodevelop, after all setup, should run ./configure --prefix='or`pkg-config --variable=prefix mono` '  or --prefix=/opt/mono
[13:25] <Eburitus> i'm having difficulties with kernel update. it says that /boot/ is too full even after i moved some of the old kernels to trash bin. could it be so that thras bin takes room from /boot or what is the thing?
[13:25] <justxux> Trash?
[13:25] <Eburitus> justxux: yes. trash can.
[13:26] <Eburitus> justxux: i didn't want to just remove those files yet
[13:26] <justxux> You need to empty trash bin in order to delete something and free space
[13:27] <Eburitus> justxux: i need room to /boot so that i can install new kernel. i removed all old kernels except the latest.
[13:28] <Eburitus> justxux: but still update manager claims that i don't have enough room @ boot
[13:29] <Eburitus> justxux: i have done 'sudo apte-get clean' so that shouldn't be the problem.
[13:30] <Extreme21355> Eburitus: you can try to resize the partition with gparted off a bootable usb stick?
[13:30] <Eburitus> Extreme21355: i'm using virtual computer.
[13:31] <Extreme21355> Eburitus: so your problem is that you can't boot from a stick? u can always attach a dvd to it?
[13:31] <Extreme21355> Eburitus: a virtual dvd linked to your local disk
[13:32] <Eburitus> Extreme21355: that could work but i would like to make that room to partition with removing old kernels
[13:32] <ducasse> Eburitus: if you just move the files to trash they will still take up place on the same filesystem, afaicr.
[13:32] <Eburitus> Extreme21355: like i thought i did
[13:32] <ducasse> s/place/space/