[23:23] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: thanx for the linx i do need kmv since its not installed and yeah i like dsl better even knowing puppy has better look but the repo let me down in puppy
[23:24]  * Fritzel is blinded by the misuse of x's
[23:25] <tacone> puppy has better look ? mmh. they're almost there imho
[23:26] <tacone> wish ubuntu had the inmemory support puppy has.
[23:26] <Zambezi> This is odd. I didn't have alsamixer installed after last days upgrade and now when I installed it, I can't start it.
[23:26] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: hmmm not sure ubuntu to me is an alternate to xp better features but puppy cna be tuned to be just as powerful as ubuntu
[23:27] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: and so can dsl but i really liked dsl the cli was just beautiful and nirc got me hooked
[23:27] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: tuning puppy would very long.
[23:28] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: some have someoen in the channel said she/he had a disk with puppy and kde together 0_o
[23:28] <Pirate_Hunter> from artenius to noble that was a bold step
[23:28] <Pirate_Hunter> geez users that cant make up their minds
[23:28] <artenius> shush!
[23:28] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: yes I know, you can put kde on it. that would be nice, but you wouldn't have debian(1) userland and ubuntu(2) repositories
[23:29] <artenius> I'm schizophrenic, don't make fun
[23:29] <Totem> I am trying to install ati graphics card drivers, but when I do, I get this error: X Server: unable to detect
[23:29] <crimsun> wow, people ranting on the devel-discuss list about PulseAudio
[23:30] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: true, i think you cna do mix repo on dsl lol since its repackaged anyway and soemone has tried damn dont have the link talking about that
[23:30] <crimsun> lots of things missed when you're away for months
[23:30] <Xiol> ranting?
[23:30] <crimsun> yep
[23:30] <Xiol> how so
[23:31] <Pirate_Hunter> going afk for quite a while still ahvent installed my apps yet in hardy :( and got uni 2morow morning which will be today in half an hour :(
[23:32]  * Daisuke_Ido grumbles
[23:32] <crimsun> Xiol: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-March/003641.html and the resulting thread
[23:33] <tacone> never mind Pirate_Hunter, we're going OT
[23:33] <Totem> I am trying to install ati graphics card drivers, but when I do, I get this error: X Server: unable to detect
[23:33] <Daisuke_Ido> why in the **** would my wireless *completely* die EVERY TIME i suspend :\
[23:33] <Daisuke_Ido> i cannot figure this out
[23:33] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: OT.. whats that dont know that terminology?
[23:33] <crimsun> Zambezi: you should always have it via the alsa-utils package.
[23:33] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: Off Topic :)
[23:33] <Daisuke_Ido> a manual on and off for the radio doesn't work, restarting networkmanager doesn't work
[23:33] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: true so true
[23:34] <tacone> :)
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> removing and reloading the module for the card doesn't work :\
[23:34] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: will be back in a while if your on and its quite here will talk some more
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> this is getting frustrating, i can't afford to pull any more hair out, i'm bald enough as it is!
[23:35] <crimsun> Daisuke_Ido: KDE3 or the remix of KDE4?
[23:35] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: ok
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> Pirate_Hunter, tacone, if you want to engage in off-topic discussion, you don't have to wait until it's dead in here, you can /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> crimsun, neither
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> gnome
[23:35] <tacone> sorry Daisuke_Ido :)
[23:35] <crimsun> Daisuke_Ido: ok, and you're running udev 117-5?
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> tacone, no need to apologize
[23:35] <tacone> :)
[23:36] <Daisuke_Ido> crimsun, i do not know, i'm waiting for the laptop to restart now, so i'll hop on there and be back before you can say...  something that takes several seconds to say...
[23:36] <crimsun> ...roit.
[23:36] <crimsun> ok, time's up, I'm gone.
[23:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> alrighty then...
[23:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> crimsun: what am i looking for?
[23:38] <crimsun> Daisuke_Laptop: the version of udev.
[23:38] <woodwizzle> I need help :( I'm trying to configure 3 monitors on 2 nvidia cards and so far no luck at all
[23:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> 117-5
[23:38] <crimsun> Daisuke_Laptop: and which wifi chipset?
[23:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> intel 4965
[23:39] <crimsun> Daisuke_Laptop: with l-b-m installed?
[23:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> err, i thought i installed that...
[23:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> installing now
[23:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> in theory, i should be able to suspend/resume and have it work?  or is there something else i should be looking at?
[23:41] <woodwizzle> Anyone in here tried setting up multiple monitors in Hardy?
[23:41] <Luckrider> I had for a while
[23:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> be *right* back
[23:42] <woodwizzle> btw, so far hardy's new RandR gui has been absolutely useless
[23:43] <woodwizzle> it only detects one card, and doesn't even detect that 2 monitors are plugged into it
[23:43] <woodwizzle> and I've already crashed X... a lot...
[23:43] <Luckrider> oh, then I don't know I just used screens and Graphics
[23:44] <woodwizzle> Luckrider: what do you mean?
[23:44] <Luckrider> I did too when I was doing it, you just need to play with it for a while woodwizzle
[23:44] <Luckrider> there is a gui called screens and Graphics
[23:44] <Luckrider> it should be in apps - other
[23:45] <Luckrider> it is something like screensand graphics
[23:45] <b4l74z4r> is it possible to make gthumb zoom images using the mouse wheel?
[23:45] <Luckrider> maybee monitors
[23:45] <woodwizzle> Luckrider: nothing like that on my system :(
[23:45] <Luckrider> hmm
[23:45] <Luckrider> give me a little bit to find it
[23:46] <Luckrider> monitor and display maybee woodwizzle?
[23:46] <Luckrider> oh
[23:46] <Luckrider> wait
[23:46] <Luckrider> that is KDE
[23:46] <Luckrider> go to add/remove apps
[23:47] <Luckrider> and look for
[23:47] <Luckrider> KDE control Modual
[23:47] <Luckrider> nope sorry woodwizzle
[23:47] <Luckrider> not right
[23:48] <Boohbah> System Settings
[23:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> mmmkay
[23:48] <Boohbah> Monitor & Display
[23:48] <woodwizzle> System > Preferences > Screen Resolutions is all I have
[23:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> wish me luck
[23:48] <Boohbah> luck
[23:49] <Boohbah> ganbatte!
[23:49] <woodwizzle> Boohbah: what do you mean System Settings?
[23:49] <Boohbah> are you in kde?
[23:49] <benj> hello
[23:49] <woodwizzle> no
[23:49] <Boohbah> oh..
[23:49] <woodwizzle> Gnome
[23:49] <benj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/215425
[23:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215425 in brasero "brasero crash while inserting cd after tell it to burn image (multi burning) . if you wait and close nautilus-burn before chose last project this is ok" [Undecided,New]
[23:50] <benj> chose/choose
[23:50] <benj> is there anybody have the same thinggs under hardy
[23:51] <benj> and is it enough ?
[23:56]  * martalli enjoys kubuntu
[23:56]  * Luckrider enjoys having Gnome and KDE on Ubuntu
[23:56] <martalli> I have never had a problem with k3b doing that, going back to mdk 9.2
[23:58] <Laney> Is Hardy going to ship with a prerelease version of Firefox?
[23:58] <lamalex> yes
[23:58] <lamalex> firefox-2 is in universe if you need it
[23:58] <martalli> It's not that I have a problem with gnome...I used gnome with ubuntu from 6.10 through 7.04, but kubuntu 7.10 worked fairly well witht he nonfree parts I just gotta have (flash pugin and all that
[23:58] <martalli> Hardy has ff-3.0 as default
[23:58] <Laney> Nah, 3 is fine. I was just curious. Seems pretty brave for an LTS release
[23:59] <Laney> But b5 has been stable enough for daily use for me
[23:59] <Daisuke-Laptop> so much for luck :\


[00:08] <djshotglass> aw snap
[00:09] <djshotglass> ubuntu-server doesnt detect either of my wifi cards
[00:10] <giovani> what chipsets are your wifi cards using?
[00:13] <djshotglass> Atheros and RaLink
[00:13] <giovani> uh, both should be detected
[00:13] <giovani> dmesg | grep ath
[00:14] <giovani> and lspci please
[00:14] <giovani> pastebin both
[00:14] <djshotglass> http://pastie.org/614977
[00:15] <giovani> there's no pci-based wireless card pluggedi n
[00:16] <djshotglass> lol there is defintly 2 pci wifi cards in the machine
[00:16] <giovani> djshotglass: there definitely aren't
[00:17] <djshotglass> want a picture?
[00:17] <maxb> 00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01)
[00:17] <giovani> the bios is either not presenting them
[00:17] <djshotglass> i just installed wireless tools and i have a wlan0 in iwconfig
[00:17] <giovani> oh, sorry, I was focusing on atheros
[00:17] <djshotglass> Atheros card isnt there though
[00:18] <giovani> isn't where?
[00:18] <djshotglass> in iwconfig
[00:18] <giovani> well that's probably because it's not recognized on your pci bus
[00:18] <djshotglass> :/
[00:18] <giovani> that's not linux's fault
[00:19] <maxb> giovani: check dmesg for anything relevant
[00:19] <maxb> oops
[00:19] <maxb> djshotglass: I mean you
[00:19] <djshotglass> ubuntu detected both cards, i chose ubuntu-server so i didnt have to mess around getting them to work lol
[00:20] <djshotglass> (wanted to move machine to a desktopless os)
[00:20] <giovani> what?
[00:20] <giovani> why would ubuntu-server prevent you from having to "mess around to get them to work"?
[00:20] <djshotglass> because ubuntu did :D
[00:20] <giovani> well the ralink card is working, by your own admission
[00:21] <giovani> I presume either your bios is wonky, the atheros card is dead, or it's not seated properly
[00:21] <giovani> it will show up in lspci if it's on the pci bus, and functioning properly
[00:21] <giovani> this is not an ubuntu/linux problem
[00:21] <djshotglass> so you keep saying
[00:22] <giovani> so you keep ignoring
[00:22] <djshotglass> why do you assume i was ignoring you
[00:22] <giovani> 19:19 < djshotglass> ubuntu detected both cards, i chose ubuntu-server so i didnt have to mess around getting them to work lol
[00:22] <giovani> comments like that imply that you think this is ubuntu-related
[00:23] <djshotglass> k i had ubunto installed everything worked great, installed ubuntu-server and now one card doesnt work
[00:23] <giovani> sigh
[00:23] <djshotglass> and this isnt relevent to ubuntu-server?
[00:23] <giovani> nope
[00:23] <djshotglass> give me some of your crack
[00:23] <giovani> other things happened in between
[00:24] <maxb> There is very little different between Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server that ought to affect basic hardware support like this
[00:24] <djshotglass> thats what i thought
[00:25] <djshotglass> why i chose it
[00:25] <maxb> What version?
[00:25] <djshotglass> 9.04
[00:25] <maxb> Hmm.
[00:25] <giovani> djshotglass: pastebin lsusb
[00:25] <maxb> I wonder if any of the atheros related modules are even loaded
[00:25] <maxb> lsmod | fgrep ath
[00:26] <giovani> maxb: why would they be? they'd show up in dmesg
[00:26] <maxb> oh, point
[00:26] <giovani> and lspci would have to show the card if it's pci-based and recognized by the system
[00:26] <giovani> there's an easy way to put his mind to rest though
[00:26] <giovani> he can boot the ubuntu livecd and run lspci then
[00:45] <djshotglass> guess pci slot 1 is fooked moved card to 3 and they both showed up
[00:45]  * djshotglass repents
[00:50] <giovani> ohh
[00:50] <giovani> surprise surprise :)
[00:53] <djshotglass> hmm
[00:53] <djshotglass> http://pastie.org/614998
[00:53] <djshotglass> now i cant ping google
[00:54] <djshotglass> im such fail today
[00:54] <djshotglass> eth0 is my lan router, wlan0 is ap1 wlan1 is ap2, ap 1 and 2 belong to friends 1 and 2
[00:55] <djshotglass> i can ping the ap's
[00:57] <djshotglass> if i jump on the aps with my laptop i can ping this machine
[00:58] <djshotglass> and the net works when im on the ap with the latop
[00:58]  * djshotglass grawls
[01:02] <giovani> you need to specify the interface you want ping to use
[01:02] <giovani> or remove some of your default routes
[01:02] <giovani> you shouldn't have 3
[01:03] <djshotglass> i was
[01:03] <djshotglass> ping google.ca -I eth0
[01:04] <djshotglass> ping google.ca -I wlan0
[01:04] <djshotglass> ping google.ca -I wlan1
[01:04] <djshotglass> none work
[01:04] <djshotglass> how do i remote the wlans from default routes
[01:04] <djshotglass> dhclient added them :/
[01:04] <giovani> well what's the error when you run those commands?
[01:06] <djshotglass> root@uber-slurpr:/home/dex# ping google.ca -I eth0
[01:06] <djshotglass> PING google.ca (<IP_ADDRESS>) from <IP_ADDRESS> eth0: 56(84) bytes of data.
[01:06] <djshotglass> just hangs there
[01:06] <djshotglass> foreva
[01:06] <giovani> ok, traceroute a specific ip
[01:06] <giovani> like that one
[01:08] <djshotglass> dont have traceroute installed
[01:08] <giovani> alright, are you sure that your routers allow icmp through?
[01:15] <djshotglass> i know eth0 does
[01:15] <djshotglass> as i am on it right now and can ping
[02:51] <djshotglass> apt doesnt have iproute2 or iproute :/
[02:53] <djshotglass> o nvm apears to already be installed
[02:54] <djshotglass> http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
[02:54] <djshotglass> trying to do this with my 2 wifi cards
[02:55] <ball> djshotglass: are the links in different directions, or are you trying to use more bandwidth than your LAN supports on a single link?
[02:55] <djshotglass> lol 2 different aps on 2 different modems
[02:56] <ball> modems?
[02:57] <djshotglass> i dont know what it means by IP network ($Pn_NET)
[02:57] <djshotglass> yes, cable modems
[02:59] <ball> ok
[03:10] <ball> djshotglass: are they far apart?
[03:14] <djshotglass> yes
[03:14] <ball> ...in different directions?
[03:14] <djshotglass> yes
[03:14] <ball> That may help
[03:15] <djshotglass> what does it mean by IP network ($Pn_NET)
[03:17] <ball> Looks like an environment variable, but without knowing more about what you're doing, I shouldn't guess.
[03:31] <djshotglass> lol
[03:31] <djshotglass> http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
[03:31] <djshotglass> i dont know what it means by IP network ($Pn_NET)
[03:49] <djshotglass> or why you asked me 101 questions about my situation when you have no idea either :p
[03:49] <djshotglass> thanks anyway
[04:22] <ball> djshotglass: hang on, I'll have a look at that link.
[04:24] <ball> djshotglass: looks pretty straightforward to me. $Pn_NET means one of $P1_NET or $P2_NET
[04:28] <ball> djshotglass: I've considered a similar arrangement.
[04:30] <ball> ...with satellite Internet to back up a DSL line.
[04:30] <ball> ...ideally I'd route things like file transfers through the satellite link leaving DSL free for VoIP, VNC etc.
[04:30] <ball> ...but have it configured so that if either link goes down, all the traffic can be routed through the one that's working.
[04:32] <djshotglass> I know $Pn_NET means one of $P1_NET or $P2_NET rofl as i made up $Pn_NET refering to $P1_NET and $P2_NET
[04:32] <djshotglass> im asking what a "IP network" is
[04:32] <djshotglass> or what that page means by "IP network"
[04:32] <ball> djshotglass: if you don't know, then you should have someone else set this up... or perhaps sit through a short TCP/IP tutorial.
[04:33] <djshotglass> i know my tcp/i[p
[04:33] <ball> ...basically it's part of (or an implication of) an IP address.
[04:33] <djshotglass> a range?
[04:33] <ball> yes, sort of.
[04:33] <djshotglass> example of a ipnetwork
[04:33] <ball> The workstation I'm sitting in front of is <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:33] <ball> ...with a netmask of <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:34] <djshotglass> <IP_ADDRESS>/8?
[04:34] <ball> The IP network is <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:34] <djshotglass> ah ;0
[04:34] <ball> (not /8)
[04:34] <djshotglass> ic
[04:34] <giovani>  /8? wtf?
[04:34] <djshotglass> 8 bits
[04:34] <djshotglass> a byte
[04:34] <giovani> no ...
[04:34] <djshotglass> (0-155)
[04:34] <ball> djshotglass: no.
[04:34] <djshotglass> 255*
[04:34] <giovani> please don't pretend you know how CIDR notation works
[04:35] <djshotglass> please dont be a fucking ass hole
[04:35] <ball> djshotglass: I could have written <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[04:35] <giovani> a netmask of <IP_ADDRESS> is a /24 network
[04:35] <djshotglass> im asking a question
[04:35] <ScottK> giovani: There are more appropriate ways to make the point.
[04:35] <ball> (24 bits of *this* IP address is for the network)
[04:35] <giovani> you said "i know my tcp/i[p"
[04:35] <ball> *but*
[04:35] <ball> the Network itself is <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:35] <ball> (with no /24)
[04:36] <ball> 99 is the node portion of my IP address.
[04:36] <djshotglass> http://pastie.org/607132
[04:36] <djshotglass> the extent of my tcp/ip knowledge
[04:36] <djshotglass> wrote that the other night
[04:36] <djshotglass> i didnt say i was a fucking guru
[04:37] <ball> Can we stop cussing at each other and get on with the job in hand?
[04:37] <giovani> I suggest you read up on CIDR notation
[04:37] <ball> Sorry giovani, I don't think you cussed.
[04:37] <ball> anyway.
[04:38] <djshotglass> anyway. thats all i needed to know
[04:38] <djshotglass> ty
[04:38] <ball> You're welcome.
[04:38] <ball> I'll extend your question though.
[04:39] <ball> On Linux, what software would I use to achieve the traffic shaping that I described?
[04:39] <ball> (and the failover)
[04:40] <giovani> technically nothing other than the built-in routing functions in linux for the failover
[04:40] <ball> giovani: does the built-in routing software have a name?
[04:41] <giovani> no
[04:41] <giovani> it's not software
[04:41] <giovani> it's part of the kernel
[04:41] <ball> Everything that's in the kernel is software ;-)
[04:41] <giovani> i.e. the tcp/ip stack, that is used to handle the routing of your packets to interfaces normally
[04:41] <giovani> ball: it's not (add-on) software
[04:41] <giovani> it's part of the linux kernel
[04:42] <giovani> you can set multiple routes
[04:42] <ball> Does it have the ability to route traffic to a given interface depending on its type?
[04:42] <giovani> and then set timeout values
[04:43] <ball> s/to a/through a/
[04:43] <djshotglass> iptables probably does
[04:43] <ball> djshotglass: thanks.
[04:45] <djshotglass> where you live to be cursed with sat net
[04:46] <giovani> actually I think the Qos stuff isn't handled by iptables/netfilter
[04:46] <giovani> it's handled in-kernel though
[04:46] <giovani> you can configure it using tc
[04:46] <ball> djshotglass: I'm not, yet, but I have considered it as a fall-back to DSL
[04:46] <ball> (if I'm ever in a position where I need a redundant link)
[04:46] <djshotglass> i had to use it in camp when i was drilling in mayo yukon
[04:46] <djshotglass> 100kb/s, 1gb a month limit
[04:46] <djshotglass> 2000ms ping
[04:47] <djshotglass> shit was epic fail
[04:47] <ball> djshotglass: you can see why I wouldn't want VoIP or VNC going out over that
[04:47] <djshotglass> impressive for what it was
[04:47] <ball> ...the round trip to space ;-)
[04:47] <djshotglass> but not ideal home conneciton :P
[04:48] <giovani> yeah, the traffic classifier isn't part of netfilter
[04:48] <giovani> (i.e. iptables)
[04:49] <djshotglass> http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/nano.txt i didnt get to read it all yet nor do i understant what i did read completely, was taking a shot in the dark with iptables as i seen some of it used there
[04:50] <djshotglass> bed
[04:50] <djshotglass> night
[04:50] <djshotglass> thx again
[06:56] <cemc> if I were to use virtual_transport = dovecot, do I have implicit support for quota in postfix too ? without patching postfix ?
[10:03] <drurew> Im looking for a command similar to "scp" however different in function, I need to a push file, anyone have any ideas
[10:04] <drurew> *to push a file
[10:36] <erichammond> drurew: scp and rsync can both pull and push.
[10:52] <ghostlines> anyone know any good c/c++ programming channels?
[11:33] <domas> ghostlines: #c is awesome for C :)
[11:33] <domas> anyone is doing profile-guided package rebuilds?
[12:54] <roodyk> hello . How to make shell user with process Limit? in ubuntu server. help pliz. I need make user with 2 bg process
[12:56] <twb> roodyk: edit /etc/security/limits.conf ?
[12:58] <roodyk> like: @student        hard    nproc           20
[12:58] <roodyk> like: student        hard    nproc           20
[12:58] <twb> I don't know.
[12:58] <twb> There should be a manpage.
[12:58] <roodyk> ok thanks
[12:59] <domas> crap, ubuntu php5 package removes ./configure line from phpinfo output
[13:00] <twb> domas: apt-get source php5?
[13:05] <domas> twb: of course, but we're running custom package with custom ./configure line ;-)
[13:06] <twb> Ah, well.
[13:06] <domas> I'm rebuilding now to use gcov profiles
[13:07] <domas> have to backtrack all the changes others did, commit to our svn, and then get back to my custom build
[13:08] <IRConan> hi there. I have a machine running ubuntu-server, I want to make it get everything except DNS servers from DHCP, how do I do this?
[13:10] <domas> I guess you can set that up in dhclient configuration
[13:17] <twb> Correct.
[13:17] <twb> Tell /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to supersede the name-servers.
[13:17] <twb> Or, of course, tell your DHCP server not to supply that field
[13:18] <cemc> I'm playing aroud with ipv6 autoconfiguration and radvd. are there any ipv6 tools to see who's on the network? or some good howto
[13:19] <twb> cemc: that's probably outside the scope of this channel... maybe there's a networking channel that knows all about ipv6
[13:53] <cemc> twb: good point ;)
[15:09] <heath|otg> Hello, can quotas work over NFS shares?
[15:10] <domas> at server-side, yes
[15:10] <giovani> well the quota is handled on the file server
[15:12] <heath|otg> I'm running virtualmin and would like to put the /home dir on my nfs server but keep quotas.
[15:12] <heath|otg> I'm just having a hard time finding docs on the subject
[15:13] <giovani> I'm unclear on what you want documentation for exactly
[15:13] <giovani> the NFS server maintains the quotas on its filesystem ... the files are just exported over NFS
[15:13] <giovani> there's no configuration
[15:13] <giovani> other than setting up the quotas as normal
[15:14] <heath|otg> giovani: the quotas will be set up through Virtualmin, not the nfs server if I have read everything correctly. Maybe I need a custom script to push the quota commands to the nfs server?
[15:16] <giovani> heath|otg: you're not being clear, I don't know what virtualmin is ... nor how it relates to quotas, nor what "pushing quota commands to the nfs server" is
[15:19] <heath|otg> giovani: I'm really just trying to figure out how other systems now what there quota limits are from the NFS server
[15:19] <heath|otg> I found it: rpc.rquotad
[15:19] <giovani> ok, finding out your quota limits is not the same thing as setting them, and where they apply -- the latter is what you originally asked about
[15:20] <giovani> but yes, rquotad is the daemon used for that
[15:21] <heath|otg> thanks
[15:33] <DizzyDoo> Hi, setting up my new Ubuntu Server installation to connect statically, rather than by using DHCP. I've made what I think are the correct changes in /etc/network/interfaces and ifconfig works okay, but I'm not sure what to put under 'nameservers' in /etc/resolv.conf, anyone tell me, I'm quite the networking-newbie
[15:50] <DizzyDoo> no matter what I seem to set it to, typing ping www.google.com gets me nowhere
[15:52] <pmatulis> DizzyDoo: put in your ISP's nameserver
[16:22] <cemc> how do i add an ipv6 address to an existing eth0 which also has an ipv4 address, how do I edit /etc/network/interfaces?
[16:36] <RoyK> cemc: vi /etc/network/interfaces is a good way to edit that file
[16:39] <cemc> RoyK: :) I ment what do I need to put in the file so I get both ip addresses on the same interface
[16:49] <domas> hehe, sysadmin quiz: would 80M-sized /usr/bin/php with all debugging symbols be slower than stripped 6M binary? :)
[16:53] <ScottK> domas: Yes.  The question is will it be enough to make a difference.
[16:54] <domas> meh, ScottK has been sane before as well :)
[16:54] <domas> scottk: no difference, to be exact
[16:55] <domas> kernel doesn't read dwarf section
[16:55] <ScottK> Well it'll be slower to start at the very least.
[16:55] <domas> scottk: it won't
[16:55] <ScottK> Likely not enough to care.
[16:56] <ScottK> It doesn't all get read off of disk once?
[16:56] <domas> loader/kernel doesn't read debug section at all
[16:56] <domas> nope, it doesn't
[16:56] <domas> ;-)
[16:56] <ScottK> Interesting.
[16:59] <domas> hmmm, should try to get my packages compiled in 32-bit-pointer-size mode, using additional x86_64 registers
[17:07] <diogo_79> hi guys
[17:07] <diogo_79> i have gopenvpn install
[17:07] <diogo_79> i have configured the dnmasq.conf nameservers
[17:08] <diogo_79> but when the update-resolv-conf file is call the resolv.conf file is not update
[17:08] <diogo_79> i dont know why
[17:08] <diogo_79> can some one help me
[17:08] <diogo_79> ?
[19:19] <dawkirst> Double post from #ubuntu: I'm running Ubuntu server 8.04 in a virtual machine (VirtualBox) and I'm trying to install lamp-server with sudo tasksel install lamp-server, the tasksel configuration remains at 0%. Any clues?
[20:01] <mm__202> Question, Im setting up a new server with RAID1, should the swap partition be logical or primary? :S
[20:01] <mm__202> Or does it even matter?
[20:02] <jmarsden> mm__202: It won't really matter, but if you have the choice, keep it simple and make it a primary partition
[20:02] <ikonia> mm__202: doesn't matter
[20:02] <mm__202> okay, thanks guys.  I figured as much, but just wanted to make sure.
[20:03] <graphic> Yo, I'm using the package "webcam" but I dont want it to use FTP or SSH, just stick the files in a directory locally, the man page is really really unhelpful
[20:04] <ikonia> ok
[20:05] <jmarsden> graphic: webcam is specifically intended for use where you want to upload the images... you could probably set it to upload to localhost as a workaround :)
[20:06] <mm__202> Guys, one more question, it is worth setting up a swap partition in RAID1?  The only reason I ask is if its being used on the two seperate drives and one of the fails than that swap data is gone.
[20:06] <graphic> Thats what I was doing, but I would want to do it through SSH since I'm forcing everyone who uses this server to use SFTP and dont have FTP set up any way. The problem with that is it prompts for a password every time it uploads a new image
[20:08] <graphic> And I want it to run as a daemon - I have the daemon script set up and it works fine except for always prompting for a password.
[20:09] <graphic> is there another package I could use? I like this one because it has very few dependencies and doesn't come with a lot of extra junk I don't need
[20:09] <jmarsden> graphic: Set up a special account for it and an ssh keypair with an empty passphrase
[20:09] <jmarsden> For alternatives see what   apt-cache search webcam     shows up... it's not an area I know much about to be honest :)
[20:10] <graphic> jmarsden: I tried that but I must have fowled up the process somehow do you know a good tut for the keypair thing?
[20:10] <graphic> jmarsden: I have a "webcam" user already set up for that
[20:11] <mm__202> jmarsden / ikonia:  The swap partition, should it be part of the RAID (1)?  Or what is the usual rule-of-thumb for that?
[20:12] <jmarsden> graphic: Just do it :)    Log in as webcam, and run     ssh-keygen
[20:12] <graphic> okay, but don't I need to more than just that?
[20:13] <jmarsden> mm__202: I don't know if there is a convention for that, either way (part of RAI1 or not) will work fine.  Put it inside the RAID1 if you have the disk space, I suppose, so swap can work even if one disk dies.
[20:13] <mm__202> jmarsden: okay, thank you.
[20:13] <jmarsden> graphic: The usual thing, copy the ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub into ~/.ssh/authorised_keys (hope I got all the filenames right there)
[20:15] <graphic> huh
[20:16] <jmarsden> graphic: Here is a forum post, but I've never used a tutorial for that :)
[20:17] <jmarsden> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30709.html
[20:17] <jmarsden> graphic: You can test whether it works by doing ssh webcam@localhost
[20:18] <graphic> jmarsden: I did that, it works if I'm logged in already as webcam but not from any other user - plus this has to run as a daemon so really shouldn't I need to copy the key somewhere else?
[20:21] <jmarsden> If the daemon is running as webcam, you are all set.  if it is running as root you could copy  ~/.ssh/id_dsa to (for example) /root/.ssh/id_dsa as long as root has no existing keypair
[20:21] <graphic> how do I switch what user is running webcam?
[20:21] <graphic> Im using the init.d script
[20:21] <graphic> skeleton
[20:21] <jmarsden> graphic: How are you starting the daemon..
[20:21] <jmarsden> OK.  Let me look at that...
[20:22] <garymc> anyone in th euk here?
[20:22] <garymc> the uk *
[20:22] <garymc> Ive got a BT hgv2700 business router and the udp ports dont seem to be working to well
[20:23] <jmarsden> graphic: Hmm, webcam doesn't actually come as a daemon... did you create your own init script?  if so can you pastebin it somewhere so i can see it?
[20:23] <garymc> ive opened all the ports i need but my sip device doesnt seem to work and when i use nmap to check the ports they say closed?
[20:23] <graphic> yeah 'ang on
[20:24] <jmarsden> garymc: I'm not in the UK but do the relevant ports appear open if you nmap scan them from inside the firewall/router?
[20:24] <garymc> no
[20:24] <garymc> tcp ports work well but udp show as closed?
[20:25] <garymc> could it be these routers?
[20:25] <jmarsden> Then by definition they won't show up as open via the router's port redirection either :)
[20:25] <jmarsden> if you are scanning within the local LAN, the router is not in the picture...
[20:25] <garymc> so how can you tell if the ports are open?
[20:25] <garymc> im ssh ing to my servers from home
[20:25] <garymc> ssh works great but the UDP ports required for SIP calls dont seem to work
[20:26] <graphic> jmarsden: http://pastebin.com/d6b8d26d7
[20:26] <jmarsden> nmap scan the SIP server device, from a machine that is inside the router/firewall device you are trying to configure.
[20:27] <garymc> yeah i just need to check the ports are open on the router
[20:27] <garymc> i think
[20:29] <garymc> so will portforward check website not check the ports correctly?
[20:29] <garymc> I put the ip addy in i want to check the ports on
[20:29] <garymc> It tells me my port 80 22 and 21 are open
[20:29] <jmarsden> garymc: I have no idea what portforward website might do.  You have a Ubuntu machine on that subnet, so use it to test with :)
[20:29] <garymc> as soon as i put in 5060
[20:29] <garymc> im a newbie and not sure how to do that
[20:30] <jmarsden> graphic: That script has no obvious way to run the daemon as anything other than root.
[20:30] <garymc> not sure of the best way
[20:30] <graphic> Yeah thats what I figured
 garymc: I'm not in the UK but do the relevant ports appear open if you nmap scan them from inside the firewall/router?
 no
[20:30] <jmarsden> Did you actually do this, or did you just guess "no" ??
[20:31] <ftherese> hello, I am in a situation where one of my users on one server cannot access the internet
[20:31] <graphic>  jmarsden: I think the best way would be to just copy that key to the roots keys, however I do not know where that is, since everything on Ubuntu is sudo done
[20:31] <garymc> i used an Nmap -v -o ip addy port unumber thingy
[20:31] <garymc> in the CLI
[20:31] <graphic> there's no "root" in /home/
[20:31] <jmarsden> graphic: the home dir for root is /root
[20:31] <graphic> os
[20:32] <ftherese> why would one single username be blocked from the internal network and from the internet?
[20:32] <jmarsden> graphic: so sudo cp -p ~webcam/.ssh/id_dsa /root/.ssh/id_dsa     # should do it
[20:33] <jmarsden> ftherese: Seems unlikely unless you have a router/firewall that can talk to the server and determine who owns which connections... which is rare.
[20:33] <jmarsden> ftherese: If you create a new user on that same server the same commands (wget or lynx or whatever) work fine?
[20:34] <ftherese> Jmarsden: the old users work fine, but I haven't tried creating a new user
[20:34] <aubre> I'm trying out karmic's version of Eucalyptus, I'll be testing images tomorrow
[20:34] <guntbert> ftherese: do you have access to that account? so we could do some testing?
[20:34] <jmarsden> ftherese: OK... so then this comes down to what is different about the one blocked user.
[20:35] <ftherese> jmarsden: I have also deleted the user account that was problematic and recreated it and still no dice
[20:35] <ftherese> jmarsden: I have universal access
[20:35] <aubre> anyone going to Atlanta Linux Fest / Ubucon ? hope to meet some server-oriented people there
[20:35] <graphic> jmarsden: haha that worked but I don't think that webcam was meant to be run as a daemon
[20:35] <ftherese> jmarsden: I am setting up the servers and working towards deployment
[20:35] <jmarsden> ftherese: OK.  What is the command you are trying to check for Internet access?  wget http://example.com
[20:37] <ftherese> jmarsden: Connection to example.com| <IP_ADDRESS>|:80
[20:37] <ftherese> jmarsden: and it sits there
[20:38] <jmarsden> But the exact same thing as user users is fine?  This is very odd behaviour...
[20:38] <jmarsden> *as other users
[20:38] <ftherese> jmarsden: I had installed and deleted a squid proxy server, and I am afraid that there is a piece hanging aound
[20:38] <jmarsden> Ah... OK.  We need to check all the proxy variables... wait a sec...
[20:39] <ftherese> jmarsden: but the problem is on a different computer from the server where the proxy was installed...
[20:39] <ftherese> jmarsden:  The setup is 4 servers
[20:39] <ftherese> jmarsden:  Serving ltsp
[20:39] <jmarsden> ftherese: At some point did you set up the server with the user account on it to use the proxy?
[20:40] <ftherese> jmarsden: all four servers have a "user" account login and a "salledelectures" login, besides the admin login that is proper to each one
[20:40] <jmarsden> ftherese: See whether  (as the user with the issue)    set | grep proxy    shows any proxy-related environment variables set
[20:41] <ftherese> jmarsden: I had intenede to set up a proxy server to block internet access
[20:41] <ftherese> jmarsden: to only the user salledelectures
[20:41] <ftherese> jmarsden: and after deleting that, salledelectures is able to acces the network and internet on three out of four
[20:42] <ftherese> jmarsden: the set |grep proxy returns nothing
[20:42] <jmarsden> So on the fourth, it seems, something is configured to still try to use the (now nonexistent) proxy... I am guessing.
[20:42] <jmarsden> OK.
[20:42] <ftherese> jmarsden: right
[20:42] <ftherese> jmarsden: the other users are fine on that computer
[20:42] <ftherese> jmarsden: I have even wiped completely the offending account and recreated it
[20:43] <ftherese> jmarsden: with the same problem
[20:43] <ftherese> jmarsden: Once, when recreating the account I changed the uid to 1003 when it was originally 1002
[20:43] <ftherese> jmarsden: and it started working
[20:44] <ftherese> jmarsden: and then just as suddenly stopped again
[20:44] <jmarsden> then it could be something in a config file that has that username in it?  Does    grep -r salldelectures /etc  show you anything relevant -- any unexpected config files with the name in it?
[20:45] <heath|otg> I have enabled quotas on a NFS server. How do I view and set the quota information from a client computer?
[20:45] <ftherese> jmarsden: that's it I think
[20:46] <ftherese> jmarsden: there was a moment when I was trying to use linux firewall
[20:46] <jmarsden> heath|otg: ssh to the NFS server and use edquota ?
[20:46] <ftherese> jmarsden: and there is a pre-up entry that I must have left there in/etc/network/interfaces
[20:47] <ftherese> jmarsden: oops
[20:47] <jmarsden> ftherese: OK, sounds like we found it :)
[20:47] <guntbert> jmarsden, ftherese: I still suspect a proxy setting - to rule that out ftherese please try telnet www.whatever.you.want 80 please - it should give "connected to..."
[20:47] <guntbert> ftherese: forget me then :-)
[20:48] <ftherese> guntbert: good suggestion, somebody tried to help me yesterday and gave that suggestion
[20:48] <ftherese> guntbert: what happens there is that iptables just drops the requests made by the user
[20:49] <ftherese> guntbert: but since I only verified the clearing of iptables by looking at webmin, the setting I had added by hand was not visible
[20:49] <jmarsden> ftherese: And your pre-up entry was adding those firewall rules?
[20:49] <guntbert> ftherese: :-) - yes that seems to be clear
[20:50] <ftherese> jmarsden: Yeah, I guess I just assumed that clearing it through webmin and seeing it cleared would have done the trick
[20:50] <jmarsden> ftherese: OK.  I'd trust the command line tools far more than I'd trust a web based app for system administration...  Anyway, we found it and it is now all fixed, right?
[20:51] <ftherese> jmarsden: yup iptalbles -F and I am back on track
[20:51] <jmarsden> Good :)
[20:51] <guntbert> ftherese: 2 points though: 1) webmin is no longer supported on unbuntu; 2) if you use it for firewall settings you can tell it to display the actual working config instead of that from some file
[20:52] <ftherese> guntbert: yeah, I noticed that it is no longer supported by ubuntu, but it helped me psychologically when I had to face the monolith of configuration options
[20:53] <ftherese> But I actually had another problem with squid, and I finally gave up
[20:53] <guntbert> ftherese: thats why I made point (2) :-)
[20:53] <ftherese> guntbert: good point
[20:53] <ftherese> guntbert: :)
[20:53] <guntbert> !info fwbuilder if you want a GUI for your firewall
[20:54] <guntbert> !info fwbuilder  | ftherese  if you want a GUI for your firewall
[20:54] <ftherese> guntbert: thanks, I'll take a look
[20:54] <ftherese> !info fwbuilder
[20:55] <graphic> Hey does & force a process into the background?
[20:56] <guntbert> graphic: yes (but no force is applied)
[20:57] <graphic> okay so if I did &webcams /path/to/conf I'd get my console back while webcam does its thing?
[20:57] <heath|otg> jmarsden: thanks
[20:57] <giovani> graphic: you append "&" with a space to the end of the command
[20:58] <giovani> i.e. "/path/to/application --some --switches /and/a/config &"
[20:58] <graphic> ohs
[20:58] <graphic> Alrighty then
[21:05] <ftherese> guntbert: it says there is a new version available... and the version of fwbuilder I have in front of me looks a little rough
[21:06] <guntbert> ftherese: let me look
[21:06] <ftherese> guntbert: should I download the newest version, or does the default one in the repository work jsut fine?
[21:06] <graphic> whats the command to open another terminal in linux?
[21:07] <ftherese> graphic: what kind? a graphical one?
[21:07] <graphic> Oh no I mean if you have an SSH session open
[21:08] <graphic> hmph it used to be like Alt+1 or Alt+F1 on minix
[21:08] <ftherese> graphic: ok, sorry, I don't know
[21:09] <guntbert> ftherese: 3.0.2 seems fairly recent - you can have a look at http://www.fwbuilder.org/docs/firewall_builder_packages.html and http://ubuntulinuxhelp.com/getting-started-with-firewall-builder/
[21:09] <ftherese> guntbert: I triple clicked on it, and it crashed
[21:09] <ftherese> guntbert: I'm going to take a look at the newer version if there is one
[21:10] <guntbert> graphic: if you have only ssh access there is no GUI, but you can tunnel X for (single) apps
[21:11] <guntbert> ftherese: I never used it on #ubuntu, but it takes a little reading... (rather than installing the latest, I guess :-))
[21:12] <jmarsden> graphic: On a linux desktop, ctrl-alt-f1 gets a text mode console, up to ctrl-alt-f6.  ctrl-alt-f7 gets you back to the GUI (if there is one).  Inside an ssh session, I would use screen to get multiple shell sessions.
[21:12] <mdz> graphic, I think you're looking for byobu or screen
[21:12] <ftherese> guntbert: is it centered around iptables?
[21:13] <guntbert> ftherese: it is able to manage several filter/firewall backends, one of them is iptables
[21:14] <ftherese> guntbert: nice, ok
[21:14] <guntbert> ftherese: have fun :-)
[21:14] <killemall> good afternoon
[21:15] <killemall> do you know a freenode channel where I might get some advice on recovering a partition
[21:15] <mushroomblue> killemall: probably ask in your distro's channel.
[21:17] <killemall> this is my distros channel :) I used clonezilla, and accidently clone sda1 to sda2, instead of sda1 to sdb1
[21:17] <killemall> maybe i should post at the clonezilla forums, and go from there
[21:29] <soren> killemall: If it copied everything from sda1 to sda2, you're not going to get what was on sda2 before back.
[21:29] <killemall> hi thanks for the reply
[21:29] <killemall> sda1  was 35GB parition, with only 5 GB of data on it
[21:30] <killemall> sda2 was 100GB parition, with 90GB of data on it
[21:30] <killemall> i dont 'think' clonezilla uses dd for this action, becuase the cloning of the parititon process with really quite fast
[21:31] <killemall> i wondered if maybe i should just do a quick format of sda2 and then try some recovery software? man im so lost on this one
[21:31] <killemall> i just posted over at the clonezilla forums as well,
[21:32] <soren> You're going to get much more qualified help over there, I imagine.
[22:24] <graphic> Hey if I start a process in the back ground like "make something-that-will-take-four-days &" how can I log out and have that task continue?
[22:24] <heath|otg> um... that should do it I think
[22:24] <soren> graphic: "nohup make something-that-will-take-four-days &"
[22:25] <graphic> Yes but then if I log out it will kill the task no?
[22:25] <soren> graphic: And then log out.
[22:25] <graphic> awesome
[22:25] <soren> graphic: some things don't need it, but adding nohup will make sure it keeps running after you log out.
[22:26] <graphic> got nohup: ignoring input and appending output to `nohup.out'
[22:27] <soren> Yup.
[22:30] <graphic> soren: Another question, does anyone know a good command linen tool that can just take a snap shot from a webcam if given a specified device like "camcmd /dev/video0"?
[22:32] <soren> "apt-cache search" suggests vggrabj
[22:32] <soren> Sorry, vgrabbj
[22:35] <graphic> cool, do you know how hard it would be to write something in C++ to grab an Image from a webcam? Got a school project, using a web cam to determine if there are open parking spaces in one of the parking lots behind my school. I'm writing what actually analyzes the two images in C++ with a alittle help from Magick++ but I dunno how to take the snap shot in C++ cant really find good info on it
[22:38] <graphic> (parking is an annoying problem at my school)
[22:39] <soren> The interface is called v4l, but it's not really on-topic for this channel.
[22:40] <graphic> Oh hmm guess I should look there
[22:40] <graphic> Know a good channel about Linux Programming?
[22:43] <soren> Not really.
[22:43] <soren> Not a general one.
[22:43] <soren> I'd find one that deals with v4l.
[22:43] <soren> like #v4l
[22:46] <graphic> thats true
[22:47] <graphic> I might just wimp out on that part until the more important stuff is taken care of
[22:56] <heath|otg> Anyone ever used quota remote commands?
[22:56] <graphic> THE HALLOWEENIES
[22:57] <graphic> no I haven't though heath|otg
[23:19] <SineDeviance> hi, i want to run ubuntu server 9.04 and i want to set it up with a basic gui (like lxde) and have it autologin so i can admin it entirely through vnc. is this possible?
[23:24] <tsrk> SineDeviance, you shouldn't need autologin for that
[23:24] <tsrk> just use a vnc that creates a new session
[23:25] <SineDeviance> tsrk, i can do that? cause yeah i'd need to admin this system entirely over remote. it's a laptop with a busted keyboard/touchpad, and a cracked screen. the only thing that works is the power button :D so yeah i don't want to have to hook up a keyboard and mouse every time i need to change something
[23:26] <tsrk> well generally you'd want ssh for that, but if you want a gui vnc should work fine
[23:26] <SineDeviance> eh sorry about that
[23:26] <tsrk> or if you can do *some* shell, you could "ssh -X" which will let you type things like "gedit" to get the window locally but running remotely
[23:27] <SineDeviance> okay. well, assume i install ubuntu server and setup a gui how i want. how would i setup vncserver to make a new session?
[23:28] <SineDeviance> uh, for reference right now i'm running this server on winxp pro and using winvnc to admin it. yeah, don't laugh :D
[23:28] <SineDeviance> i have it set to autologin so i don't even have to type my pass
[23:29] <tsrk> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers#tightvncserver
[23:29] <tsrk> TightVNC creates a new session by default
[23:29] <tsrk> that's what i've used
[23:29] <SineDeviance> tsrk, ahh, cool. thanks!
[23:29] <tsrk> you shouldn't need any of the extra configuration stuff
[23:30] <SineDeviance> okay
[23:30] <SineDeviance> one more question
[23:31] <SineDeviance> in the ubuntu-server repos, will i still have access to packages for gui stuff? like xubuntu or blackbox or somesuch?
[23:35] <jmarsden> SineDeviance: The repos are the same.
[23:36] <jmarsden> SineDeviance: However, once you add a GUI to a Ubuntu Server install, you don't really have a Ubuntu Server any more, so asking for help on the GUI aspect of your custom setup here in #ubuntu-server is unlikely to get you a lot of help.
[23:36] <jmarsden> Ah, he left already?


[07:19] <Kilos> morning guys
[07:20] <Kilos> and mrs_fly
[07:20] <Kilos> nuvolari, hoe gaan dit daar
[08:14] <DraZoro> Good Morning everyone
[08:39] <zeref> Hi guys, anybody here play tennis?
[08:42] <DraZoro> Hello zeref ...I am a lazy bone
[08:43] <zeref> lol
[08:44] <zeref> i'm busy looking for the formula they use to create a tennis draw.
[08:59] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[09:00] <nuvolari> Maaz: tell kilos Hi oom kilos, jammer dis so stil hierso, lyk my ons is almal besig om in te haal op laasjaar se agterstallige werk :P
[09:00] <Maaz> nuvolari: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[10:04] <nlsthzn> o/
[10:11] <superfly> hi girls and boys
[10:11] <nlsthzn> hey superfly
[10:41] <kbmonkey> hello
[10:43] <nlsthzn> Hey kbmonkey
[10:48] <kbmonkey> hi nlsthzn :)
[10:48] <nlsthzn> How is the Cape kbmonkey ?
[10:50] <nlsthzn> bbl, got some monsters to go slay...
[10:59] <kbmonkey> monsters? doom II? ;p
[10:59] <superfly> hiya kbmonkey
[11:05] <kbmonkey> hello superfly :)
[11:05] <kbmonkey> hows things?
[11:06] <superfly> kbmonkey: alright thanks... first day on the new job
[11:07] <superfly> was supposed to run Windows here (to start with, dual boot later), but they didn't have a license... so I'm on good old Kubuntu
[11:07] <kbmonkey> good show!
[11:08] <kbmonkey> is that a  web dev job?
[11:09] <superfly> not really, actually
[11:10] <superfly> it's embedded + Google App Engine
[11:58]  * nlsthzn was playing The Witcher 2
[12:21] <nuvolari> any imagemagick-masters around?
[12:22] <nlsthzn> Nope, only us peasants
[12:26] <superfly> nuvolari: I've tinkered, but that is all
[12:27] <kbmonkey> hi nuvolari, not this side
[12:37] <nuvolari> I bet yoda gave up on IM :-/
[13:06] <kbmonkey> yoda?
[13:23] <kbmonkey> hi morgs
[13:24] <morgs> hiya kbmonkey
[13:25] <kbmonkey> happy new year :)
[13:54] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: Yoda?
[13:55] <nuvolari> Star-something's Yoda
[14:52] <nuvolari> Critics Rave... About Microsoft?
[14:52] <nuvolari> by mitchp
[14:52] <nuvolari> “Far superior to most if not all the Android smartphones,” says TechCrunch.
[14:52] <nuvolari> ...ya right.
[14:54] <bakuman> :| pfff
[14:57] <nuvolari> lol... "Yes, Windows and Office products are ubiquitous and highly profitable. But they’re about as inspirational as a stapler."
[15:09] <bakuman> Seagate Barracuda - 2TB HDD 64MB Cache - SATA 3 - 6.0Gb/s R1800
[15:09] <bakuman> die pryse i nou belaglik, ekt dit junie vir R700 gekoop
[15:10]  * tumbleweed suggests putting off hard drive purchaces until after the shortage
[15:10] <Tonberry> blame nature
[15:10] <bakuman> i dont need one, was just curious as to what the prices were at the moment
[15:14] <somaunn> hello everyone
[15:15] <somaunn> i'm looking for a software under linux that doign same thing as GFI Languard Network
[15:16]  * nuvolari doesn't know what it is
[15:16] <nuvolari> oi, I need to remember to buy a vodacom bundle before it ends tonight :-/
[15:58] <Squirm> lo there
[18:42] <Kilos> hiya superfly inetpro nuvolari and other peeps
[18:43] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:43]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:44] <superfly> hiya Kilos
[18:45] <superfly> Maaz: coffee please
[18:45] <Maaz> superfly: Done
[18:45] <Kilos> all well superfly ?
[18:45] <superfly> Kilos: ya
[18:46] <Kilos> good
[18:47] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and superfly!
[18:47] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:47] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:05] <bakuman> Maaz: coffee please
[19:05] <Maaz> bakuman: There isn't a pot on
[19:06] <Kilos> haha hiya bakuman
[19:06] <bakuman> pfff Oom Kilos groet my nie meer nie :(
[19:06] <bakuman> :D
[19:06] <Kilos> hehe
[19:06] <bakuman> hallo!
[19:06] <Kilos> too late
[19:06] <Kilos> gaan dit goed
[19:06] <bakuman> heel goed dankie
[19:06] <bakuman> en daar?
[19:07] <Kilos> ook so dankie
[19:07] <bakuman> cool cool
[19:07]  * bakuman kyk terra nova season finale
[19:08] <Kilos> eish dit begin eers die 25ste op mnet
[19:08] <Kilos> is dit goed?
[19:08] <bakuman> hang af waarvan jy hou, maar heel goed ja.  Terminating the last step of bundle purchase with a "technical error"
[19:50] <nuvolari> pfft.   :P
[20:51] <zeref> always xD
[20:51] <zeref> wanted to get my server up and running tonight, to test my game
[20:54] <zeref> btw nuvolari
[20:55] <zeref> when i watch a movie on vlc or any other player, the screensaver is disabled, but if i watch a movie online screensaver comes on o0o0
[21:58] <nuvolari> zeref: probably because there is no action in the browser, which I suspect does not explicitly control the screensaver behaviour
[21:58] <nuvolari> while the other media players do
[21:59] <nuvolari> ok, bedtime
[21:59]  * nuvolari off


[22:14] <goku417> Hi everybody !
[22:18] <goku417> I have a question for all of you, I wonder how I can make my script run after the network is up... I tried everything like "start on started net-device-up" and "start on static-network-up"
[22:19] <goku417> and it still sends me that my script can bind with the ip who is associated with the interface


[06:30] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:59] <jamespage> rbasak: morning
[09:05] <jamespage> rbasak: if you're on SRU duty and have cycles today I have ceph updates including a security fix in the UNAPPROVED queue for focal/groovy/hirsute
[09:12] <jamespage> rbasak: I'm also happy to upload a new version for impish to avoid the binary copy forward you raised on the ML if that helps get things moving
[09:40] <rbasak> Hi!
[09:41] <rbasak> tjaalton (not here) is doing SRUs at the moment I think. Maybe try him in #ubuntu-release?
[09:41] <rbasak> jamespage: ^
[09:48] <jamespage> rbasak: ta
[09:55]  * rbasak will be offline for a bit
[13:57] <jersten> Hi all. I'm something of a Linux newb but I'm trying to learn. I have read that Ubuntu can read/write files in an NTFS drive. Does anyone have experience with doing this? And can say for sure that it works out
[13:57] <rbasak> It's worked for me in the past, but my use case was quite limited.
[13:58] <jersten> I ask this because some of the computers on my home network still have to run windows for the time being. I want these windows computers to be able to make use of the ubuntu file server.
[13:59] <rbasak> If going over the network to Ubuntu, it doesn't really matter what filesystem is being used on the Ubuntu end - so I wouldn't use NTFS.
[13:59] <jersten> rbasak: My use case is just storage of video files and other random home network type of stuff
[13:59] <rbasak> You're probably more interested in things like Samba.
[13:59] <jersten> So I should probably just use ext4? The windows machines won't care about that?
[14:00] <rbasak> Right
[14:00] <rbasak> What will matter is the protocol they're speaking over the network.
[14:00] <rbasak> Samba is one option - probably the most common one for what you want to do.
[14:00] <rbasak> Samba is the software that you will run on Ubuntu, and will speak to Windows over the network using Windows protocols.
[14:01] <rbasak> I expect you'll be able to configure Samba on Ubuntu so that Windows can read and write your media files directly over the Samba-exported network share.
[14:02] <rbasak> Though I'm not familiar with the latest on that. It certainly used to be possible without a problem. It got a bit more complicated after some security updates on Windows removed support for some of the older protocols I think.
[14:02] <rbasak> I'm not familiar with what happened after that.
[14:02] <jersten> Once the Ubuntu server is set up, will it be visibile on the network to all other computers? For example, will they be able to see it when you click on the "Network" tab in the OS? That way I can just click and drag files for copying.
[14:02] <rbasak> But basically the Samba project is focused on solving exactly this type of problem so I expect they'll have plenty of documentation on the current state of affairs and how to do it.
[14:02] <lordievader> For the incidental reading and writing it is fine. Personally I try to keep NTFS on a read-only policy in Linux. And it can be troublesome with the partition not willing to mount because Windows did a hibernate-esque shutdown instead of a clean shutdown and such.
[14:02] <rbasak> jersten: yes - if you configure Samba.
[14:03] <lordievader> jersten: In that case you just want to use samba to export your ext4 drives.
[14:03] <rbasak> jersten: start here: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/samba-file-server
[14:03] <jersten> lordievader: Yes I have turned that weird hibernate thing off in windows, I don't like it much. So that won't be a problem for me this time.
[14:05] <jersten> I also have two other Linux computers on the network. Both run Manjaro KDE. So it's still appropriate for me to make use of Ubuntu Server, correct?
[14:05] <jersten> I have Samba installed, and that was my first attempt at making some form of home server. But it doesn't seem to want to keep my settings. I don't know if updates messed them up.. or what. I bought a book on Samba lol
[14:07] <jersten> I find the Samba config file to be kind of strange. Not all of the settings that you can make use of are listed there by default. I thought people who write programs always put all the settings you'd need in the config file. I guess not.
[14:10] <jersten> Here is another question: I have a 1Tb HDD for the Ubuntu Server. I formatted it to ext4, but it won't let me copy anything to it. Says "permission denied" or something like that. Why is that? My account is the administrator on this PC. Shouldn't it just do whatever I want?
[14:12] <rbasak> It's a bit like UAC on Windows.
[14:12] <rbasak> You have the power to do whatever you want, but it's useful for the system to use the permissions system to prevent accidents.
[14:12] <rbasak> (and malicious software, etc)
[14:12] <rbasak> So even though you're in the admin group, you're not "root".
[14:13] <rbasak> But you can elevate your privileges to root.
[14:13] <rbasak> It might be better to change the permissions on that filesystem to allow your regular user to write to it though, instead of always running with elevated privileges.
[14:15] <lordievader> jersten: You most likely have a config sample (`/usr/share/doc`) with all settings. I'd normally try to keep my config files clean of any setting that I haven't adjusted. That way you can quickly see what is different from the defaults.
[14:17] <jersten> sounds like a good idea. just make a copy of the original config file?
[14:19] <jersten> rbasak: Once you take control of that drive, it's yours forever, right? Unless you formatted it or something. So I created a new ext4 drive. I want to own it so I can read/write to it. I tried many of the chown commands, but none of them seemed to work.
[14:20] <jersten> Maybe someone can post the command to permanently own the drive. And I will tatoo that command on my arm... been dealing with this for awhile now
[14:26] <teward> rbasak: wanting to write across disk, I'd suggest ACLs with special permissions, but that is its own hell too.  RE: your changing permissions issue.
[14:26] <teward> unless it's a separate disk and dedicated for a specific user in which case chown works well on the ext* partitions ;)
[14:26] <teward> (I came in late sorry!)
[14:26] <lordievader> Well yes and no. Whoever owns the parent dir has something to say about the children dirs. Everything starts with the root (`/`) which is owned by root.
[14:27] <icey> jamespage: any particular reason you committed the change for https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1892361 to the stein branch, but didn't release and upload?
[14:27] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1892361 in OpenStack Compute (nova) rocky "SRIOV instance gets type-PF interface, libvirt kvm fails" [Medium, In Progress]
[14:28] <lordievader> Running `chown` applies only to the file/dir you supply as the argument. Unless you run it with the recursive (-r) flag. Which could be dangerous in combination with symlinks, make it a habit to whenever you run chown/chmod in recursive mode to add the -h flag so it won't follow symlinks.
[14:29] <lordievader> The danger is that if there is a symlink back to `/` in your directory chown/chmod will try to apply the change there too (if it can).
[14:29] <jamespage> icey: not that I can remeber
[14:30] <icey> jamespage: if you don't mind, then, I'll work on it?
[14:30] <jersten> So how would that command look? As a newb my mind thinks: sudo chown Server1Tb -r -h
[14:30] <lordievader> (Rather funny experiment, inside a virtual machine remove the execute flag for all files on the drive, then try to run something)
[14:30] <jamespage> icey: yp
[14:30] <jersten> I named the driver "Server1Tb"
[14:31] <jersten> Drive** not driver
[14:34] <lordievader> jersten: Take a look at the manual page for `chown` (`man chown`), it will tell you that the user comes before the path, so something like (hrmm, I lied about the recursive flag, its -R): `sudo chown -Rh <user>:<group> <directory>`.
[14:37] <jersten> That's something else that is new to me... the group. How do I find out what group I'm in? I mean I installed Manjaro, I don't remember setting up any kind of group. But apparently it exists
[14:40] <lordievader> `groups` will show all the groups your current user is in.
[14:48] <jersten> Ok I will take a look at that now
[14:52] <jersten> lordievader: It output: "sys network power sambashare lp wheel autologin justin"
[14:53] <teward> jersten: `id` will also show your primary group
[14:54] <teward> my guess is your primary group is your username - the group created for your user.
[14:54] <teward> (default user that gets installed also gets a group with the same name created in a default install)
[14:57] <jersten> that time it output: "uid=1000(justin) gid=1001(justin) groups=1001(justin),3(sys),90(network),98(power),965(sambashare),991(lp),998(wheel),1000(autologin)
[14:57] <jersten> "
[14:57] <jersten> So my primary group is named the exact same thing as my username? Isn't that a little... I dunno. Wrong. Seems like you should have to name it something else.
[14:59] <jersten> So the command to own the drive would be: "sudo chown -Rh justin:justin Server1Tb"
[15:00] <jersten> WAAUGHH!! ... "chown: cannot access 'Server1Tb': No such file or directory"
[15:01] <jersten> Except yeah there is. I'm looking at it right now. It's plugged into a USB 3.0 port via an external HDD enclosure.
[15:17] <jersten> I guess chown doesn't know what I'm actually looking for.
[15:18] <jersten> The command is probably right, except I need to cd or something. Sorry about my newbishness, I've only been a linux user for a very short time.
[15:18] <teward> no worries, we all started there at one point or another :)
[15:21] <jersten> But I got that command! I have the power!
[15:22] <jersten> Thanks to all of you for the help, I'll figure it out later. Goodbye!
[15:52] <Ussat> So, I have a Dr here who wants his Ubuntu 17.10 updated to the latest 18.04 release, this is what I get: https://paste.centos.org/view/35ceee91 How would I get latest snapd for 17, also the 404's
[15:53] <Ussat> root@upgrade-test:~# snap refresh
[15:53] <Ussat> All snaps up to date.
[15:53] <Ussat> so....at a loss here
[16:01] <sdeziel> Ussat: Try with http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu maybe?
[16:02] <Ussat> yup...just found that, thanks
[16:06] <Ussat> ewwww
[16:06] <Ussat> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[16:07] <Ussat> tons of these:
[16:07] <Ussat> dpkg: error processing package plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text (--configure):
[16:07] <Ussat>  dependency problems - leaving triggers unprocessed
[16:18] <Ussat> Well, think its a wash
[16:23] <Ussat> ok, LOOKS savable..
[16:32] <Ussat> OK, looks doable, with a few other steps, cool
[23:21] <hallyn> hey rbasak -  did the rest of the blog series of https://ubuntu.com/blog/developing-ubuntu-using-git  ever get posted?  (the index entries at the top are not links :)


[02:23] <dobey> alkisg: you would still have to manually merge them back into the git repo; having bzr branches just for translations will only complicate things. might as well just upload the .pot file manually when it changes for now, and then set up the automatic stuff when lp gets support for git in the translations merging
[04:22] <alkisg> dobey: hi, sorry your answer came after I've already set up git => bzr => rozetta => bzr export already. I'll do the last git merge step manually before releases, but at least that way I don't have to do string freeze uploads.
[04:22] <alkisg> I just hope that it'll work as expected! And, that git translations support isn't too far in the future...
[05:13] <alkisg> So far it looks good, launchpad pushed the latest translations on https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-translations
[05:14] <alkisg> It's strange that launchpad always insists on exporting even the .po files that have no changes at all, but that happened on plain bzr branches too
[05:16] <alkisg> I wonder if the problem is that it's not smart enough to ignore those 2 lines, that are the "diff" in the .po files:  "X-Launchpad-Export-Date: 2017-03-24 04:30+0000\n" "X-Generator: Launchpad (build 18334)\n"
[15:15] <xnox> OOPS-7b67d0c0ffaca3e59d2f030b69c4e36b
[15:15] <xnox> will it retry generating diff for that merge proposal?
[15:15] <xnox> i did a force push, did that confuse things?
[15:15] <xnox> (and there was a rebase....)
[15:17] <cjwatson> *blink* how did that only just start failing
[15:18] <cjwatson> and yeah it's because the set of commits encompassed by the MP used to contain a bug reference and now does not
[15:22] <cjwatson> will fix
[15:22] <cjwatson> it will probably be necessary to run .rescan() on that repository via lp-shell after the fix lands
[15:27] <xnox> oh
[15:27] <xnox> but i should have had a bug reference....
[15:28] <xnox> ah, but it is the wrong bug ref
[15:29] <xnox> all good now
[15:42] <cjwatson> there we go, finally reproduced in test suite
[15:42] <cjwatson> (the actual fix is quite obvious, but since we've got this wrong before ...)
[15:45] <cjwatson> ha!  and just as well, because there is in fact another problem
[16:08] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/mp-job-delete-bug-link/+merge/324323


[08:11] <mgz> morning!
[08:13] <vila> morning mgz
[08:13] <mgz> how are you vila?
[08:14] <vila> pretty good for a  cloudy monday morning ;)
[10:08] <mgz> hm, missed a quip earlier, every monday morning is a cloudy morning these days...
[10:09]  * jelmer has no idea what a "quip" is but assumes it's some sort of accessory for trains
[10:10] <mgz> there are so many strange parts of the english language I still need to confuse you with jelmer...
[10:10] <fullermd> He has no idea what a flounifirelication he's in for...
[15:05] <bobsapp> I suggest for a week 4chan should be run like a gulag, you have to enter 5 captchas to make one post, all images scaled down to 500x500 fixedsys font everywhere
[15:20] <LarstiQ> would bzr transports be relevant to https://github.com/lvh/async-pep/blob/master/pep-3153.rst ?
[15:21] <jelmer> hey LarstiQ!
[15:22] <LarstiQ> hey jelmer :)
[15:22] <jelmer> LarstiQ: it seems like there is some overlap
[15:43] <delinquentme> heyy all! So i'm looking to examin the commit history for a single file
[15:44] <delinquentme> ALSO is there any GUI for bazaar thats decent?
[15:44] <jelmer> delinquentme: "bzr log FILE" should show you the history for a single file
[15:45] <jelmer> delinquentme: qbzr/bzr-explorer and bzr-gtk are the main UIs
[17:11] <lduros> hi, there's no equivalent of a tag in bzr? Like with svn when you reach version 2.0 you create a tag for easy reference...?
[17:12] <janos> lduros: sure there is
[17:12] <fullermd> None at all.  Aside from the thing 'bzr tag' does, anyway...
[17:12] <lduros> ha!
[17:12] <janos> you create tags using the 'bzr tag' command
[17:12] <lduros> for some reason I missed that part from the documentation
[17:14] <fullermd> We keep it hidden.  Can't have just ANYbody making takes, y'know.
[17:14] <fullermd> Or tags, even.  Only piple who khan tipe.
[17:20] <lduros> :-P