[07:43] <davidcalle> Morning all o/
[08:41] <nerochiaro> balloons: hi, I have been told that you can maybe help me figure out how to have graphical unit tests running while using debuild
[10:42] <popey> bzoltan: zbenjamin I'm having trouble with the sdk - I keep getting "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop." and somehow via random clicking i can make it work, but don't know what makes it work again.
[10:42] <popey> lp:~verzegnassi-stefano/ubuntu-docviewer-app/pdfview-show-hide-header is the branch I am trying to build
[10:42] <zbenjamin> popey: lets see
[10:42] <popey> I am branching that, then "qtcreator CMakeLists.txt"
[10:42] <popey> then add -DCLICK_MODE=on
[10:43] <popey> then go to the publish tab and try to build.. and I get this:-
[10:43] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10760632/
[10:46] <zbenjamin> popey: does the same happen if you open qtcreator and use the "open project" dialog to open it?
[10:47] <popey> lemme see
[10:47] <popey> (sdk takes a very long time to start)
[10:48] <zbenjamin> popey: i see the problem, you need to open the project tab and assign kits to the project when you open it the first time
[10:48] <zbenjamin> popey: normally QtC should show the tab by default
[10:48] <zbenjamin> popey: weird that it doesn't
[10:48] <popey> ok
[10:48] <popey> also, while I'm reporting things http://i.imgur.com/7BUsVyx.png
[10:48] <popey> look at the bottom middle
[10:49] <popey> looks like raw code where a blog post should be
[10:49] <zbenjamin> wth
[10:49] <zbenjamin> popey: seems its actually a post with that code :D
[10:50] <popey> where do I assign a kit?
[10:50] <popey> http://i.imgur.com/SUXAjnM.png
[10:50] <popey> I already have one I think?
[10:50] <zbenjamin> popey: yes you have one. Its still not working?
[10:51] <popey> well i already had one at the start of this conversation
[10:51] <popey> but launching sdk then opening the project seems to be building now...
[10:51] <popey> rather than from the cli
[10:56] <zbenjamin> popey: its possible that your schroot session is broken
[10:56] <popey> \o/ it built
[10:57] <popey> also
[10:57] <popey> alan@deep-thought:/tmp/pdfview-show-hide-header$ mount | grep schroot | wc -l
[10:57] <popey> 3640
[10:57] <popey> can we fix that?
[10:57] <popey>  11:57:17 up  1:30,  4 users,  load average: 2.19, 2.91, 3.08
[10:57] <zbenjamin> popey: omG
[10:57] <popey> I know, right?
[10:57] <zbenjamin> popey: sudo schroot --all-sessions -e
[10:57] <popey> it happens _all_ the time
[10:58] <zbenjamin> popey: then run click-chroot-agent -r
[10:58] <zbenjamin> popey: i know, schroot is the weak spot in the SDK atm
[10:58] <popey> hmm, one is busy
[10:58] <popey> E: 10mount: umount: /var/lib/schroot/mount/click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-amd64-130f3373-f078-4f8e-8a84-863aa59f3b1d/dev/pts: target is busy
[10:58] <popey> but I have no sdk open
[11:00] <zbenjamin> popey: no idea where the busy flag is coming from, bzoltan also had his fight with that problem a few days ago
[11:02] <popey> thanks for the help zbenjamin !
[11:02] <zbenjamin> popey: np
[11:10] <ogra_> bzoltan, for a start with snappy i'd go with supporting nodejs snaps ... that gives you a javascript based server part your app can use and is most easy to package (you just need the node binary and a way to pull npm mudules in)
[11:11] <ogra_> (for the combined click/snap idea)
[11:34] <bzoltan> popey: that is horror
[12:01] <popey> bzoltan: ya!
[12:28] <bzoltan> popey:  what I wonder about is that I could not figure out what locks those mount points. I could not find a process what uses those directories. So I needed a massive cleanup and reboot to get rid of the zombie mounts
[12:29] <ogra_> bzoltan, do you mount /proc ans /sys inside ?
[12:29] <ogra_> *and
[12:29] <ogra_> thats typically holding it ...
[12:30] <bzoltan> ogra_:  I do .. .or better say the click/schroot does
[12:31] <ogra_> right, you should check they get properly unmounted
[12:31] <bzoltan> ogra_: do you think that schroot would work without those mounts?
[12:31] <ogra_> no, they are needsed by some packages during install
[12:32] <ogra_> but they should get cleanly unmounted along with the schroot
[12:32] <bzoltan> ogra_: I see.. to be frank I have never check out what schroot does inside. I would expect it to mount-umount automatically
[12:32] <ogra_> me too
[12:32] <ogra_> perhaps you just discovered a bug :)
[12:33] <bzoltan> ogra_:  I am a bit worried that now as schroot is part of the snappy story we built an even bigger project on this pretty unstable and unreliable tool
[12:34]  * ogra_ never used schroot ... i cant judge ...
[12:34] <ogra_> i just use a chroot inside an ubuntu-core tarball and cars for mounting needed stuff manually
[12:34] <bzoltan> ogra_:  if you have used click than you have used schroot :)
[12:34] <ogra_> *care
[12:35] <ogra_> huh ?
[12:35] <ogra_> why would building a click use schroot
[12:35]  * ogra_ always just does "click build ." with the right metadata files in place
[12:36] <ogra_> ... the same way i build a snap :)
[13:08] <bfiller> rpadovani: thanks for making those fixes to settings branch for browser
[13:08] <bfiller> rpadovani: seems to be working better
[13:09] <bfiller> rpadovani, oSoMoN : one question, is there supposed to be a search engine setting on the page? I think it showed up once but now is not being displayed at all
[13:10] <oSoMoN> bfiller, only when there’s more than one custom search engine definition in $HOME/.local/share/webbrowser-app/searchengines/
[13:11] <oSoMoN> bfiller, it’s relatively hidden for now, on purpose. In the future I’d like us to ship several search engine definition by default, but that will require more changes to the backend
[13:11] <bfiller> oSoMoN: ok
[13:11] <oSoMoN> bfiller, in a way, this setting entry is an easter egg :)
[13:12] <bfiller> oSoMoN: where on disk is the settings file stored?
[13:12] <oSoMoN> bfiller, ~/.config/webbrowser-app/webbrowser-app.conf
[13:12] <bfiller> oSoMoN: just want to test again with the file not present
[13:13] <oSoMoN> bfiller, note that this used to be ~/.config/webbrowser-app/settings.conf, but with the migration to Qt.labs.settings, the filename had to change
[13:13] <bfiller> oSoMoN: thanks
[13:15] <bfiller> oSoMoN: I think the branch is good to go now, adding the validation for the url would be nice, but not critical I think
[13:17] <oSoMoN> bfiller, agreed. I’m working on a branch that adds the "clear cache" option, and I’d like to land them all together if possible though, so it should give rpadovani a bit more time to add the validation if he wants
[13:17] <bfiller> oSoMoN: great, hopefully we can land by tomorrow
[13:52] <bzoltan> ogra_:  where the target APIs come from if not from a schroot?
[14:16] <ogra_> bzoltan, which target APIs ?
[14:17] <ogra_> bzoltan, if i write a website i also dont need any chroots :) i dont use C++
[14:17] <ogra_> QML is happy without a chroot for rolling a click
[14:17] <bzoltan> ogra_:  like your system is an LTS and you develop for a 15.10 based device
[14:18] <bzoltan> ogra_:  OK, you do not use code completion and syntax highlight :) and you do not care if you accidentally use non existing APIs :)
[14:21] <ogra_> bzoltan, i usually develop on my device ... i roll an empty click with Main.qml in it ... and then start editing in /opt/click ... once i have the code working fine on the device, i sync it back to the PC and build the final click
[14:22] <bzoltan> ogra_:  yes, I remember you explained it... it is the safest one
[14:22] <ogra_> so i know the APIs work :)
[14:22] <bzoltan> ogra_:  it would be fun to hijack the device (or the emulator) rootfs and use it as SDK
[14:23] <rickspencer3> kalikiana, hi
[14:23] <rickspencer3> so, I am running into a weird thing with u1db
[14:24] <rickspencer3> in a nutshell, it seems to write records slowly on my desktop, which is making it hard on my tests
[14:24] <ogra_> bzoltan, well, thats efeectively waht i do :) i have thre terminals open with ssh to the device, one with vim, one where i constantly tail -f the apps log file and one to run/stop the app
[14:28] <bzoltan> ogra_: yes, that is the way :)
[14:28] <ogra_> lol
[14:28] <bzoltan> ogra_:  I wish to make an SDK like that with IDE. It is totally possible and feasible.
[14:31] <ogra_> bzoltan, indeed it is :) but i think the majority of useers will use the full SDK anyway
[14:47] <bzoltan> ogra_:  We could totally do a full SDK with on device development :)
[14:47] <ogra_> :)
[16:07] <rpadovani> bfiller, thanks to you for the review :-) oSoMoN working on the url right now!
[16:08] <rpadovani> popey, do you have 5 minutes for a query?
[16:08] <bfiller> rpadovani: no problem, thanks for the code :)
[16:08] <popey> for you, always
[16:08] <rpadovani> :-)
[16:28] <nerochiaro> balloons: ping
[16:34] <rpadovani> bfiller, oSoMoN should be ready to land now
[17:05] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, not sure how that happened, but there is a conflict now when merging your branch
[17:06] <rpadovani> lolwut, on it
[17:11] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, there was an edit to looksLikeAUrl() function (I based to the one I had in my branch). I reflected it in UrlManagement.js, should work now
[17:18] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, thanks! now there is another conflict when merging first the qt-labs-settings branch into trunk then yours, no idea why, I’m looking into it
[17:18] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, lol. Should I merge your branch in mine?
[17:20] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, well it doesn’t seem to do anything
[17:20]  * oSoMoN is puzzled
[17:23] <oSoMoN> "bzr help criss-cross" has some hints as to what might have happened
[17:25] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, merging your branch with --weave fixes the issue, I wonder if there’s a way to have the CI train use that option when merging…
[17:26] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, probably both of use merged from trunk, and so we had criss cross
[17:26] <oSoMoN> yeah, that’s unfortunate
[17:27] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, I can probably remove my MR from the list though, as yours is based on it anyway
[17:27] <oSoMoN> I’ll do that
[17:31] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, ok, thanks, let me know if there is something I can do to thelp
[17:32] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, all good now, rebuilding in the silo
[17:37] <nik90> ahayzen: ping
[17:37] <ahayzen> nik90, pong
[17:39] <nik90> ahayzen: hey in your day delegate expand branch, couldn't we use ListItem.Expandable + UbuntuListView combination? That would give us the benefit of ensuring automatically that when the listitem is expanded it will be fully visible
[17:39] <nik90> so we wouldn't have to define that ourselves by adjusting the flickable contentY
[17:39] <ahayzen> nik90, i'll have an investigation :) ... also note the expandable part will have a big label at the top then a sortof list thing below
[17:40] <nik90> true, but the ListItem Expandable is essentially an empty listitem..it gives us all the freedom to define whatever we need inside it
[17:41] <ahayzen> ok i'll have a look thanks :)
[17:41] <nik90> ahayzen: the reason I am suggesting this is because we then wouldn't have to worry about normal or expanded states along with their transition since that will all be taken care for us
[17:41] <nik90> ahayzen: but it looks and works great atm
[17:41] <ahayzen> as long as I can keep the slick animations i'll try and use the expandable :)
[17:42] <nik90> ack.
[17:44] <nik90> ahayzen: one more general question if you got time
[17:44] <ahayzen> yup
[17:45] <nik90> ahayzen: realistically I think that the new weather app could replace the old weather app when the phone makes the vivid transition..I was thinking may be we should start using the new listitems in Ubuntu.Components 1.2
[17:45] <nik90> ahayzen: although after typing it out, I realized I wouldn't be able to develop it on my phone running RTM
[17:46] <ahayzen> nik90, i guess :) ... i should be jumping from utopic -> vivid this week...but yeah i'm on rtm as well...tbh with most of my projects i'm waiting for rtm to sync with vivid before i make the jump otherwise development will be a pain
[17:47] <nik90> ahayzen: fair point..it is best to wait for rtm to sync with vivid
[19:08] <mardy> what is the right way of translating the .desktop files, in click apps? X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain or Name[<lang>]?
[19:09] <mardy> popey: you might know ^
[19:10] <popey> uhhhh
[19:12] <ahayzen> we have an _ before the thing that needs to be translated in music http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/remix/view/head:/com.ubuntu.music_music.desktop.in.in i think cmake does the rest of the magic? IIRC
[19:16] <mardy> ahayzen: but if I open the ~/.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.music_music_2.0.846.desktop file, I see it's full with Name[]...
[19:16] <ahayzen> as i said cmake does the magic :)
[19:17] <ahayzen> so Name[<lang>] is probably correct
[19:18] <mardy> ahayzen: and now I see that /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-system-settings.desktop uses X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain instead... I'm confused
[19:18] <ahayzen> ugh :/
[19:19] <mardy> Saviq: do you know how the shell translated the applications' name?
[19:19] <mardy> *translates
[19:42] <Saviq> mardy, from the .desktop file
[19:42] <Saviq> mardy, it reads Field[locale]= from there
[19:43] <mardy> Saviq: how come that the System Settings is translated, even though it has none of those? It uses X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain, but that doesn't seem to work in my app
[19:43] <Saviq> mardy, it does fall back to gettext indeed
[19:44] <mardy> Saviq: maybe X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain works for system apps, and not for clicks?
[19:44] <Saviq> mardy, yeah, we're not looking in the right dir
[19:44] <Saviq> mardy, this could be potentially be added, actually
[19:44] <Saviq> mardy, file a bug with qtmir please
[19:44] <mardy> Saviq: it would indeed make me happy :-)
[19:45] <Saviq> mardy, you can easily put the translations in the .desktop file in the mean time
[19:45] <Saviq> use intltool-merge
[19:45] <Saviq> gtg
[19:45] <mardy> Saviq: I'm trying to, it's a bit hard with qmake :-)
[19:45] <mardy> Saviq: thanks, I'll file the bug soonish
[19:57] <mardy> Saviq: bug 1441320, FYI
[20:38] <mrqtros> popey ping
[20:42] <mrqtros> mhall119 ping
[20:43] <mhall119> mrqtros: pong
[20:44] <mrqtros> mhall119 hello, how are you?
[20:44] <mhall119> going fine, and yourself?
[20:46] <mrqtros> I'm fine too :)
[20:46] <mrqtros> I want to ask... Shorts were removed from basic installation of Ubuntu Phone?
[20:48] <mhall119> mrqtros: popey would know that, it's on my phone but I havne't wiped it clean and re-flashed in agest
[20:48] <mhall119> mrqtros: also, it may be one the N4 images but not the Bq ones, or vice versa, the choice of which to pre-install is done per-device-image
[20:49] <mrqtros> mhall119 seems that I am right. I just installed OS from scratch and have not seen it
[20:49] <mhall119> mrqtros: is it in the store so people can still get it?
[20:49] <mrqtros> In my case it was n4
[20:49] <mrqtros> Yep
[20:49] <mhall119> ok, cool
[20:49] <mrqtros> But I like to see it in basic set of apps...
[20:49] <mhall119> yeah, I know some others were removed (or never made it in)
[20:50] <mhall119> the more apps in the image, the more tests need to be run on each image, and the more chance of a test failing and blocking image promotion
[20:50] <mhall119> really, the fewer apps in the image itself the better from the QA/CI perspective, but we still want to ship enough that the default image is usable
[20:51] <mhall119> mrqtros: some apps were removed, and then later re-added after they had more work, so there's still a possibility of shorts being re-added :)
[20:52] <mrqtros> What do you mean when saying "had more work"? That Shorts become low-quality app and must be reworked?
[20:53] <mrqtros> Both I and Joey ready to develop it more
[20:53] <mrqtros> But there are no official designs
[20:55] <mrqtros> mhall119 we want to make reboot of our app - use C++, change visual design and so on
[20:55] <nik90> mrqtros: at the moment, shorts app is pretty much the only app which still has a old design..the gradient backgrounds were deprecated long time back. I presume once the design is up to date, it might make its way back into the default set of apps
[20:56] <nik90> mrqtros: the calendar app was also removed some time back, but with a good redesign it made its way back into the default collection
[20:56] <mhall119> I think even Music was removed at one point
[20:57] <nik90> mrqtros: and that's what mhall119 suggested with "had more work" .. no one is suggesting that shorts-app is a low quality app or anything
[20:57] <mhall119> nik90: weather still uses the old gradients too
[20:57] <mhall119> but that was made with collaboration from the weather channel, so it's going to be slower to change
[20:57] <nik90> mhall119: Have you checked out weather reboot? Its a radically new design that removes those old gradients
[20:57] <mhall119> nik90: no I haven't, is it in the store?
[20:58] <mhall119> mrqtros: I certainly didn't mean shorts wasn't high quality
[20:58] <nik90> mhall119: not yet, its being worked on at the moment by myself, victor thompson, ahayzen and martin
[20:58] <nik90> mhall119: we are hoping to release a beta to the store when it is a bit more ready
[20:59] <ahayzen> weather reboot \o/
[20:59] <mrqtros> mhall119 it's looking like you are comforting me :)) All is ok, I can see problems
[20:59] <mrqtros> And I want to solve them
[21:00] <mrqtros> But process is slow. Very slow. We are awaiting, awaiting with no hope :)
[21:00] <mrqtros> So can we made changes and propose them?
[21:01] <mhall119> mrqtros: absolutely, it's your app
[21:01] <mrqtros> Both I and Joey are extremely accurate in that aspect
[21:02] <mhall119> mrqtros: if the design team isn't being responsive we can take it up with them, but don't feel like you can't work on things based on your own ideas or user feedback
[21:04] <mrqtros> mhall119 we will copy UI trends from all other apps
[21:06] <mrqtros> mhall119 nik90 thanks guys for your participation in discussion
[21:07] <mrqtros> We will make Shorts reboot in ~month.
[21:08] <nik90> mrqtros: I initially worked with mihir on the calendar app to improve its design when it got removed. After a good amount of work, it was then picked up by the design team as well. You could do the same by getting the shorts app in line with the current set of apps in terms of background, UI components like the bottom edge etc.
[21:08] <nik90> mrqtros: Good luck!
[21:09] <rpadovani> or you can just ignore design team, create an awesome app and live happy :-)
[21:09] <nik90> rpadovani: to be honest, the design team are being overwhelmed at the moment..way too many things to design with fewer people on it..no can be blamed here
[21:10] <rpadovani> I don't want to blame them at all, I fully understand that. Just, we know they are busy, so we take care of our own ;-)
[21:11] <nik90> yeah
[21:16] <mrqtros> rpadovani ok, thanks)
[21:22] <popey> heya
[21:22]  * popey reads backscroll
[21:24] <popey> I agree with what everyone says :)


[00:29] <rockstar> bac, is the meeting today or tomorrow?
[00:29] <bac> rockstar: that is really an existential question
[00:29] <bac> it is your today
[00:29] <bac> but it is thursday
[00:29] <bac> at greenwich
[00:30]  * rockstar hates at timezones.
[00:30] <bac> rockstar: so, in summary, it is in 30 minutes
[00:30] <rockstar> bac, okay, I'm going to have to relocate soon then.
[00:31] <bac> are you at your fancy coworking spot?
[00:31] <rockstar> bac, after this semester, I'll probably go back to the Euramerican meeting.
[00:31] <bac> i do that about once a month
[00:31] <rockstar> bac, yeah, for night cow orking.
[00:31] <bac> coworking, i mean
[00:31] <bac> ok, see you soon
[00:31] <rockstar> I go in the evenings on Wednesday, and then I (try to) go on Fridays
[00:31] <bac> ours closes at 6
[00:32] <bac> and i don't qualify for a key
[00:32] <bac> but i only pay $10/day
[00:32] <bac> which is roughly $10/month
[00:33] <rockstar> Yeah, I pay about $60/month.
[00:34] <rockstar> They do a night coworking thing on Wednesday nights, and I'm trying to start my little game company, so I spend my Wednesdays doing that.
[00:39] <bac> ah, neat
[01:00] <thumper> me
[01:00] <mwhudson> em
[01:00] <bac> #startmeeting
[01:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:00.   One-import-per-line now done and in effect.
[01:01] <bac>   * Mentat update.
[01:01] <bac>   * gary: benji is checking in our generated WADL and adding tests of the WADL generated for our webservice versions.  This is supposed to mean that changing the frozen versions of the webservice in a backwards-incompatible way will be more easily caught by reviewers: don't allow it! It should also mean that running make initially will be noticeably faster.
[01:01] <bac>   * Some of the UI reviewers have graduated, but ReviewerSchedule indicates that no one has graduated.
[01:02] <bac>   * https://dev.launchpad.net/ArchitectureGuide as per the epic - will reviewers please start discussing the values and metrics during reviews?
[01:02] <bac>  * Peanut gallery
[01:02] <bac> [topic] outstanding stuff
[01:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  outstanding stuff
[01:02] <bac> lifeless, can you remind us of the lib/coop mess was settled?
[01:02] <lifeless> yes its settled. We all know what it is and that the name sucks.
[01:02] <thumper> what is it?
[01:02] <thumper> remind me plz
[01:03] <lifeless> it is buganswers, answersbranches etc
[01:03] <thumper> ok
[01:03] <lifeless> I'm in favour of a rename to 'inter' if we bother.
[01:03] <lifeless> but I don't think that that actually removes the need for folk to read the package docstring
[01:03] <lifeless> which is entirely clear.
[01:03] <bac> ok, thanks
[01:04] <lifeless> as I don't think it will remove that need, I'm in favour of doing nothing and worrying about other stuff
[01:04] <bac> i should mention there was no AMEU meeting today due to me having a dr's appt and forgetting all about it
[01:04] <lifeless> no worries
[01:05] <bac> last week we noted henning did a great job on the import script. \o/
[01:05] <bac> [topic] mentat update
[01:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  mentat update
[01:05] <bac> thumper, StevenK: how goes it?
[01:05] <thumper> slowly
[01:05] <StevenK> What he said
[01:06] <bac> i must apologize for breaking the mentoring cycle last week as i had a branch that i really wanted to land.  hope you still got good feedback from edwin, StevenK
[01:06] <StevenK> I've figured out that reviewing is effectively asking yourself or the submitter a bunch of questions. Now to learn what are good questions to ask.
[01:06] <bac> StevenK: geez, you're channeling kiko
[01:06] <StevenK> Argh!
[01:07] <StevenK> bac: It's fine, urgent is well, urgent.
[01:07] <bac> [topic] WADL files
[01:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  WADL files
[01:07] <bac> * gary: benji is checking in our generated WADL and adding tests of the WADL generated for our webservice versions.  This is supposed to mean that changing the frozen versions of the webservice in a backwards-incompatible way will be more easily caught by reviewers: don't allow it! It should also mean that running make initially will be noticeably faster.
[01:07] <bac> did that email go out?  i don't recall seeing it
[01:07]  * gary_poster is not really here (hi!)
[01:07] <bac> anyway, i'm just the messenger
[01:08] <bac> gary_poster: ^^?
[01:08] <mwhudson> i don't recall an email or a landing to that effect yet
[01:08] <gary_poster> benji couldn't land it because it depended on a new version of lazr.restful that was being integrated for another effort
[01:08] <gary_poster> still pending
[01:08] <lifeless> we make no guarantees about devel though, do we ?
[01:08] <gary_poster> correct, lifeless
[01:08] <lifeless> just 1.0
[01:08] <thumper> lifeless: no we dont'
[01:08] <lifeless> phew
[01:08] <gary_poster> and "beta"
[01:08] <lifeless> ah
[01:09] <bac> [topic] * Some of the UI reviewers have graduated, but ReviewerSchedule indicates that no one has graduated.
[01:09] <wgrant> beta is only Karmic, right?
[01:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Some of the UI reviewers have graduated, but ReviewerSchedule indicates that no one has graduated.
[01:09] <gary_poster> wgrant: yeah, I think that's right
[01:09] <bac> i sent a request to rockstar to update the wiki
[01:09] <bac> who added this agenda item?
[01:09]  * rockstar completed the request
[01:09] <bac> rockstar: thanks!
[01:09] <lifeless> wgrant: until yesterday beta was still on the 'jahacking the api' wiki page
[01:10] <rockstar> Although I should say that everyone should be a ui* or javascript*
[01:10] <lifeless> bac: bryceh noticed the disconnect
[01:10] <StevenK> bac: I noticed that myself -- also the wiki page still shows jelmer is being mentored by noodles.
[01:10] <bac> lifeless: ok.  it's nice to put your [name] on the items
[01:10]  * rockstar hates wikis
[01:10] <lifeless> bac: sure. I didn't add that one :P
[01:11] <lifeless> bac: I did the next, I forgot toblame myself.
[01:11] <bac> lifeless: no, but...
[01:11] <lifeless> ^W^Wtake credit
[01:11] <bac> [topic]  * https://dev.launchpad.net/ArchitectureGuide as per the epic - will reviewers please start discussing the values and metrics during reviews?
[01:11] <MootBot> New Topic:   * https://dev.launchpad.net/ArchitectureGuide as per the epic - will reviewers please start discussing the values and metrics during reviews?
[01:11] <bac> lifeless: that has your fingerprints!
[01:11] <lifeless> I raised this at the Epic in my presentation
[01:11] <lifeless> I've been slack writing it up.
[01:11] <lifeless> its now in a moderately consumable form.
[01:12] <lifeless> I'm asking the review team to take on a new challenge
[01:12] <lifeless> which is to help people get their code to meet the values on that page, and [its experimental] the metrics.
[01:13] <lifeless> I know the metrics are bad and wrong. But it would be nice to have some, so lets try and iterate.
[01:13] <lifeless> This is a form of review that none of the current guides covered
[01:13] <lifeless> but I feel it is very much in the spirit of review - helping each other end up with code that does what we want and is easy to care for
[01:14] <lifeless> -fin
[01:14] <bac> lifeless: i notice you've been following up on a lot of reviews.  those follow ups are excellent reminders to keep the architecture in mind.
[01:14] <lifeless> bac: I read every review
[01:14] <bac> lifeless: but, of course, you cannot do it yourself.  i'll bring this to the larger crowd.
[01:14] <lifeless> bac: but sometimes I skim :)
[01:15] <lifeless> I've got two goals with that page
[01:15] <lifeless> firstly, I hope that by adding this info explicitly into our memesphere
[01:16] <lifeless> folk will turn up at review with these values already embodied in their code
[01:16] <lifeless> secondly, where they haven't, I hope they have a discussion with the reviewer and can decide whether they want to invest and improve things immediately, or before they move onto the next kanban card, or $schedule-phrase
[01:17] <mwhudson> right, as per usual, the review is too late to catch this sort of problem in an ideal world
[01:17] <lifeless> mwhudson: exactly
[01:17] <rockstar> abentley and I have regular calls every day and they usually spin into pre-implementation calls.  That seems to help.
[01:17] <bac> mwhudson: yes, ideally these issues would be raised in a preimp call
[01:18] <rockstar> It's kinda like swimming with a buddy, only without the swimming, and with coding.
[01:18] <lifeless> :)
[01:18] <bac> and no hurricanes
[01:18] <lifeless> so anyhow, I didn't find anything that matched the structure-of-code in our guidelines
[01:18] <rockstar> bac, oh, there are hurricanes.  Have you seen the buildd code?  :)
[01:18] <lifeless> they were all pretty cosmetic or surface stuff
[01:18] <bac> do you have hurricanes in NZ?
[01:18] <thumper> oh yes
[01:18] <bac> is that what you call them?
[01:18] <thumper> not really tornados though
[01:18] <thumper> yes hurricanes
[01:19] <lifeless> I'm hoping this page can stay focused on structure and outcomes
[01:19] <thumper> in fact that is also the name of the Wellington super 14 rugby team
[01:19]  * rockstar was hoping to learn the Maori word for hurricane.
[01:19] <lifeless> and we can spin specific techniques off to PythonSG / Performance pages etc etc
[01:19]  * mwhudson adds to the distraction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Bola
[01:19] <rockstar> lifeless, we're listening, we promise.
[01:19] <bac> thanks lifeless for powering through our meteorological distractions
[01:19] <lifeless> thats ok, its all there for mootbot
[01:20] <mwhudson> lifeless: +1 to all that
[01:20] <bac> so you *do* call them something else
[01:20] <bac> thanks robert
[01:21] <bac> that's it for the scheduled items
[01:21] <bac> does anyone have anything else to discuss?
[01:21] <thumper> not today
[01:21] <rockstar> bac, I would like to suggest an experiment.
[01:21] <bac> rockstar: go
[01:21] <thumper> oh?
[01:21] <rockstar> bac, I've been thinking about this a lot, and trying it in my own development.
[01:22] <rockstar> I would like to suggest we make our review diff line max much smaller.
[01:22] <rockstar> Like, maybe by half.
[01:22] <lifeless> +1 if I can get a permanent exception
[01:22] <bac> rockstar: is this part of the salgado-hovey cadence grail?
[01:22] <lifeless> :P
[01:22] <rockstar> lifeless, exceptions can be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
[01:23] <rockstar> bac, well, yeah, if that's what you want to call it.  thumper and I had been experimenting with it before the epic though.
[01:23] <rockstar> Reviews are SO EASY when they are small and concise.  It's easy to tell where you might have missed some tests, etc.
[01:23] <bac> i spent a lot of time thinking about curtis' talk and it is clear it only works if you're riding a fixed gear bike
[01:23] <bac> on the flats
[01:23] <lifeless> rockstar: I think thats true with new code, but its really not true with existing code.
[01:23] <wgrant> But it's sometimes possible to get large refactorings down below 800 lines.
[01:24] <wgrant> 400 lines... I doubt it.
[01:24] <StevenK> I've been discovering most feature branches are easily over 600 lines
[01:24] <lifeless> rockstar: I routinely, at the moment hit 700 lines, on *trivial* things, because there is so much debt.
[01:24] <wgrant> We'd have a *lot* more exceptional branches.
[01:24] <wgrant> lifeless: Exactly.
[01:24] <bac> lifeless: yep
[01:24] <rockstar> lifeless, the debt should be reviewed separately than the actual change.
[01:24] <bac> i had a silly branch today that came in at 602
[01:24] <mwhudson> i worry that LOC is a poor surrogate for complexity
[01:24] <rockstar> mwhudson, this is true.
[01:24] <rockstar> Especially with twisted code.
[01:24] <bac> and all i did was catch an exception and display a nice message
[01:25] <lifeless> rockstar: so, I think its great to *encourage* focused branches, but not great to *penalise* ones that are large but still focused.
[01:25] <lifeless> mwhudson: yes.
[01:25] <bac> make it a goal, but one you an exceed by 100%
[01:25] <StevenK> Perhaps a wording change is in order?
[01:25] <lifeless> rockstar: when we *add* effort to do something *simple*, we're doing it wrong.
[01:25] <rockstar> Like I said, experiment.
[01:25] <lifeless> rockstar: I'm merely pointing out concerns.
[01:25] <StevenK> "We'd prefer diffs to be 400 lines or less, but should review diffs of up to 800 lines."
[01:26] <bac> rockstar: you said you've been doing it a while.  how has it worked out?
[01:26] <rockstar> lifeless, yeah, and I thank you for that.  I know it won't happen all the time, but judging by thumper's branches, we aren't staying under 800 anyway.
[01:26] <rockstar> bac, I think it's brilliant.
[01:26] <StevenK> Over 800 lines may require bribes, at the reviewers discretion?
[01:26] <lifeless> StevenK: already does.
[01:26] <rockstar> StevenK, that's how it works now.
[01:26] <lifeless> but I think that setting a review limit *misses the point*
[01:27] <lifeless> the benefit of focused branches is that they are focused and fast and easy.
[01:27] <rockstar> lifeless, yeah, it's only a limit as far as our current limit.
[01:27] <bac> lifeless: but a review *target* doesn't
[01:27] <lifeless> bac: no, it does.
[01:27] <lifeless> the current limit misses the point.
[01:27] <lifeless> it was a surrogate when we introduced it, and its a surrogate now.
[01:27] <rockstar> You don't have to land your branches separately.  You can keep them in a pipe or whatever.  I think getting them reviewed in chunks is a good idea.
[01:27] <lifeless> Its obviously a poor surrogate because rockstar and others are arguing that its wrong
[01:28] <rockstar> lifeless, not wrong, but sub-optimal maybe.
[01:28] <lifeless> I would rather say 'Have no more than N changes in your thing to be reviewed'
[01:28] <lifeless> where we might say N is - 4.
[01:29] <thumper> I think we should have minus four changes too
[01:29] <lifeless> If you can describe in english, without tricks, your entire branch in 4 simple clauses, its got to be pretty focused.
[01:29] <lifeless> if you need more to describe it, its less focused.
[01:30] <lifeless> (this is off the cuff, I'm simply saying that lets talk about the root issue: our *target for developers* is a surrogate. Maybe there is a better surrogate, if we feel people are failing to achieve focus)
[01:30] <rockstar> lifeless, I think 1 change is enough though.
[01:30] <StevenK> Does that include drive-bys, though?
[01:30] <rockstar> I think one of the problems is that we are trying to fix too many things.
[01:31] <rockstar> StevenK, yes.  Ask thumper about the little drive-by fix in his refactoring branch last week.  :)
[01:31] <thumper> it has always been a soft limit anyway
[01:31] <lifeless> rockstar: 1 is ideal, but is definitely not enough for anything deep. Perhaps I'm seeing a biased slice of the code.
[01:31] <rockstar> Yeah, and I'm saying maybe, as a team, we should ratchet down the soft limit and see if that helps the team.
[01:31] <mwhudson> i have to be honest: i've basically ignored the 800 line limit for years
[01:32] <lifeless> me too
[01:32] <thumper> mwhudson: and done what?
[01:32] <bac> mwhudson: i'm a pretty big offender too.  sinzui will review anything.
[01:32] <mwhudson> thumper: tried to stay focused
[01:32] <mwhudson> i think my branches are mostly under 800 lines
[01:32] <StevenK> I use 800 lines as "Uh oh, I should try and split this monster up."
[01:32] <rockstar> bac, yeah, when my manager asks me to review 2X lines of code, what do I say? No?  :)
[01:32] <mwhudson> i have no idea -- that's what i mean by ignore
[01:33] <bac> rockstar: yeah, but it's the other way around...
[01:33] <rockstar> I think mwhudson's approach is the best.  lifeless illustrated a good way to measure it, but 4 things is too many.
[01:33] <rockstar> MAYBE 2 things.
[01:33]  * bac calls time
[01:33] <lifeless> I can propose another approach
[01:33] <mwhudson> pipelines ftw, as usual
[01:33] <lifeless> bac: if I may
[01:33] <rockstar> mwhudson, yes.
[01:33] <bac> lifeless: ok
[01:33] <StevenK> Why not both, we recommend 2 things, but up to 4, per discretion
[01:33] <lifeless> remove the limit. Gone. Replace it with:
[01:34] <bac> lifeless: wrap it up as mwhudson is hungry
[01:34] <lifeless>  * if the reviewer feels its too big to review sensibly, from *whatever perspectve*, they ask the reviewee to split it with pipelines.
[01:34] <thumper> +1
[01:34] <lifeless> we don't have 5K and 10K branches coming in anymore
[01:34] <lifeless> the cultural is radically different.
[01:34] <thumper> thankfully
[01:35] <mwhudson> lifeless: +1
[01:35] <bac> lifeless: is there an easy way to do that?  even with pipelines?
[01:35] <thumper> add-pipe --before
[01:35] <thumper> merge -i
[01:35]  * bac may need a tutorial
[01:35] <bac> +1 then
[01:36] <lifeless> limits like this are always going to be a discussion, so lets make it explicit about the tradeoffs: ease of review / clarity etc and let the participants have the discussion
[01:36] <mwhudson> didn't aaron do a tutorial at the epic about this?
[01:36] <lifeless> bac: there are various ways; pipelines are pretty nice.
[01:36] <lifeless> bac: or just a regular branch + merge -i
[01:36] <bac> mwhudson: yeah but it assumed lots of familiarity with pipelines already
[01:36] <mwhudson> ok
[01:36] <lifeless> personally, I try to just do enough to be confident in the change and stop there
[01:37] <lifeless> by the time I need a stack of things, I've usually gotten myself tied up in knots already
[01:37] <mwhudson> as always, it depends
[01:37] <mwhudson> my blueprints hacking last week feel easily into three steps: move, sanitize, change
[01:38] <lifeless> mwhudson: you forgot delete.
[01:38] <mwhudson> it helps if you can see the steps ahead of you i guess
[01:38] <bac> rockstar thanks for bringing up the topic.   i think the discussion was helpful.  we'll need more time to figure out a plan.  perhaps lifeless and i can talk before next week to come up with a solid proposal.
[01:38]  * rockstar acks
[01:39] <lifeless> bac: drop me a mail ?
[01:39] <bac> any other things?
[01:39] <bac> lifeless: sure
[01:39] <thumper> lets finish plz
[01:39] <bac> 3...
[01:39] <bac> 2
[01:39] <bac> 1
[01:39] <bac> #endmeeting
[01:39] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:39.
[01:39] <thumper> thanks bac
[01:39] <bac> thanks all
[01:39] <bac> g'night
[01:39] <mwhudson> thanks bac
[01:39] <thumper> lunch time
[01:39]  * mwhudson lunches
[01:40] <lifeless> thanks y'all


[04:47] <ddecator> hm, xr1.9.3 had a patch fail to apply again. micahg, i could try to fix it if you're willing to help out
[04:50] <micahg> ddecator: from the new upload?
[04:50] <ddecator> micahg: not sure, it says it failed 24 hours ago
[04:50] <micahg> ddecator: that was last night, I patched it 35 minutes ago
[04:51] <ddecator> well, missed that one
[04:51] <micahg> ddecator: you can see what happens tonight, I'll be up for another hour and we should know if it fails again by then
[04:51] <ddecator> micahg: sounds good
[06:19] <micahg> ddecator: xul193 looks good tonight :)  any chance you can check your diff for songbird
[06:46] <ddecator> micahg: yah, i should probably make sure it still builds too. anything specific you want me to check?
[06:46] <micahg> ddecator: whatever we discussed last time :)
[06:47] <ddecator> micahg: haha, you just wanted to see the patches that i had forgot to add. after i get everything set, want me to just push to a new branch again or should i request a new merge?
[06:51] <micahg> ddecator: you can push, the merge should update
[06:52] <ddecator> micahg: so overwrite the branch i requested the merge for then?
[06:52] <micahg> ddecator: yeah, that's fine
[06:57] <ddecator> micahg: sure thing, i'll try to do that tomorrow
[06:57] <ddecator> if i don't have my laptop dismantled, haha
[07:17] <micahg> ddecator: k
[11:31] <BUGabundo> morning
[15:08] <fta> micahg, this timeout bug is a disaster
[15:08] <fta> micahg, we really need a transition package
[15:08] <micahg> fta: jamie removed timeout from maverick
[15:09] <fta> it's not enough to do backports
[15:09] <micahg> <maverick has timeout...
[15:09] <fta> it's not possible to accommodate both maverick and lucid--
[15:10]  * micahg doesn't see anything in the build-deps
[15:10] <fta> After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:
[15:10] <fta> coreutils(inst 7.4-2ubuntu2 ! >= wanted 8.0)|timeout(missing)
[15:10] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50181068/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.chromium-browser_5.0.375.70~r48679-0ubuntu2~ucd3~lucid_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz
[15:11] <BUGa_vacantions> fta: what's wrong ?
[15:11] <fta> BUGa_vacantions, debian messed up, we synced that mess
[15:11] <BUGa_vacantions> ahh
[15:11] <BUGa_vacantions> buuu
[15:12] <fta> well, it's fine if you don't do backports
[15:13]  * micahg wonders why it's not pulling in timeout
[15:13] <micahg> it's there
[15:15] <fta> something else needs coreutils, so 7.4 is installed. then cu > 8.0 | timeout cannot be satisfied
[15:16] <micahg> coreutils is auto installed
[15:16] <fta> if coreutils in maverick had a dummy timeout, that would solve it
[15:16] <micahg> so it should pull in timeout since coreutils isn't high enough
[15:17] <fta> maybe it should, but obviously it doesn't
[15:17] <micahg> well, I can patch tct to have a dummy timeout
[15:18]  * micahg still wonders why it won't work
[15:24] <BUGa_vacantions> http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/2010/06/12/2010-06-12-trunk-builds/
[15:24] <BUGa_vacantions> webm support
[15:26] <fta> micahg, do you use system libvpx in the ff dailies?
[15:27] <micahg> fta: I haven't added it yet
[15:27] <micahg> I wonder if that's something they want us to use their copy of
[15:28] <fta> do they have patches?
[15:28] <fta> chromium doesn't have any
[15:30] <BUGa_vacantions> http://page2rss.com/p/80b83e05a0a18c77aca72bb6aa0b8d69_4970475_4972664
[15:30] <BUGa_vacantions> We have temporarily closed the Labs program of Flash Player 10 for  64-bit Linux, as we are making significant architectural changes to the  64-bit Linux Flash Player and additional security enhancements.  We are  fully committed to bringing native 64-bit Flash Player for the desktop  by providing native support for Windows, Macintosh, and Linux 64-bit  platforms in an upcoming major release of Flash Player. We intend to  pro
[15:31] <BUGa_vacantions> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_64bit.html
[15:31] <fta> http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/deps/third_party/libvpx/README.chromium
[15:31] <fta> no patch
[15:41] <micahg> fta: idk, haven't looked into it
[15:43] <micahg> fta: 3 patches: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/bf9d31ed3488/media/libvpx
[15:45] <micahg> fta: oh, sidebar, do you prefer the desktop team method of fix commited when upstream fixes it or when it's in ubuntu repos
[15:46] <micahg> fta: geser thinks the timeout thing is a bug in the buildd
[15:47] <fta> i prefer the latter but it's often not my call, i don't do bugs much
[15:47] <micahg> fta: k, that's what I told the triager
[15:47] <micahg> AFAIK, desktop team is the only one that deviates
[15:51] <BUGa_vacantions> bbl
[15:52] <fta> lol, my karma is at 102921, i just have 830 for bugs :P
[15:53]  * micahg was recently booted off the top 20 bug karma people in Ubuntu
[20:38] <BUGabundo> fta: bookmarks manager bug is fixed :)
[21:40] <BUGabundo> fta: https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/aeoigbhkilbllfomkmmilbfochhlgdmh yami
[22:01] <BUGabundo> fta: https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/mabenbhpjlchigbbpafligkdnlhjbmel?hl=en LLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOLLLL
[22:02] <fta> 6,353 users - Weekly installs: 1,467
[22:02] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[22:02] <BUGabundo> crazy ppl
[22:02] <BUGabundo> now the dev changes the scope of the
[22:02] <BUGabundo> app
[22:03] <BUGabundo> and he gets 6k drones :)
[23:20] <BUGabundo> fta: didn't ch fixed fullscreen in html5?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S47yo6RSvs4&feature=player_embedded#!
[23:20] <BUGabundo> doesn't work :(
[23:20] <fta> not sure
[23:20] <fta> it sort of works if you fullscreen both the video and chromium
[23:22] <BUGabundo> video??
[23:23] <fta> well, in fact, i just restarted and it works fine
[23:24] <fta> hm, no
[23:24] <fta> it was flash, false joy
[23:25] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[23:25] <BUGabundo> youtube.com/html5
[23:25] <BUGabundo> and enable it
[23:26] <fta> no, i'm already on it,but when i restarted ch, i had a tab with google i/o, and it's was flash
[23:27] <BUGabundo> ah
[23:27] <fta> your link is in french
[23:28] <fta> the guy says he's taking the video to see if he can see the tennis ball once he puts the video on pc
[23:28] <BUGabundo> ahahhahaahah
[23:28] <BUGabundo> didn't notice that
[23:30] <fta> well, he starts muttering something like "i'm staying silent, i don't want to spoil the video"
[23:30] <fta> but i can hear it :)
[23:31] <BUGabundo> hahaahah
[23:31] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[23:31] <BUGabundo> so, can you see the ball?
[23:37] <BUGabundo> fta: LOL www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omh8Ito-05M


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[00:12] <Xarizzar> Uh, hello. I wanted to ask something. Greybird-dark on the gtk-common-themes snap is only available on XUbuntu 20.04? I'm using 18.04 and I installed that via snap, but I can't find Greybird-Dark... Sorry if this doesn't belong here, I'm kinda new to IRC (;・∀・)
[00:20] <krytarik> Xarizzar: Yes, indeed.
[00:23] <Xarizzar> Hmm. I guess I'll get it when 20.04.1 releases then. Thank you for your time
[02:37] <hyfly> hello
[02:38] <hyfly> internal speakers  ,  not found ,  , how to activate them
[02:39] <Bashing-om> !sound | hyfly
[02:39] <hyfly> thanks
[02:40] <Bashing-om> hyfly: :D But about all the help I can offer.
[05:30] <rami> hello
[05:30] <rami> i am a newbie in linux, i just run xubuntu for the first time using a DOK, and when i try to open the filemanager i get an error
[05:30] <rami> failed to executre default file manger
[05:31] <rami> failed to execute child process /usr/bin/thunar (input/output error)
[05:32] <diogenes_> rami, what is  DOK?
[05:32] <rami> disk-on-key
[05:32] <rami> i tried going into terminal and running "sudo thunar", but same error
[05:33] <rami> using ubuntu or lubuntu everything works, so i think it has some bug with xubuntu probably?
[05:33] <rami> or maybe i need to fix something here?
[05:34] <rami> the error in ther terminal is: sudo: unable to execute /usr/bin/thunar: Input/output error
[05:34] <diogenes_> disk-on-key is that a usb drive?
[05:35] <rami> ha, yes, usb drive
[05:36] <diogenes_> Input/output error means there is a problem with the usb drive.
[05:37] <rami> its the same drive i worked with, also using the ubuntu, and lubuntu
[05:37] <rami> i didnt get any errors with them
[05:37] <diogenes_> and it's the first time i hear disk-on-key.
[05:37] <rami> yeah, that's the name we use here in israel, probably a local nick for the usb drive
[05:37] <rami> :)
[05:38] <rami> so it must be an error with the usb drive? should i try to format it again with the xubuntu iso?
[05:39] <diogenes_> rami, it's damaged, or ISO wasn't written properly so format it.
[05:39] <rami> i'll try to format it again
[05:39] <rami> thanks mate(y)
[05:39] <rami> (y)
[05:40] <diogenes_> np
[05:52] <Rami> so, i just wanted to update, i formatted again, now the system work fine
[05:52] <Rami> thanks again (y)
[05:59] <TonyThuitai> How can I install english UK language if it cannot be selected in the Language selector?
[06:01] <TonyThuitai> How can I install english UK language if it cannot be selected in the Language selector?
[06:24] <TonyThuitai> How to install English UK language in xubuntu which comes with English US and English UK cannot be selected when changing languages?
[06:30] <well_laid_lawn> TonyThuitai: which version of xubuntu are you using ?
[06:30] <TonyThuitai> 20.04
[06:32] <well_laid_lawn> I'm not on that that yet
[06:32] <well_laid_lawn> but youu should be able to find it in the package manager
[06:32] <Deano59> I selected English UK fine on xubuntu 20.04...
[10:37] <zleap> hi
[10:43] <well_laid_lawn> !hi
[14:25] <Stabington> Is there a simple way to disable the touchpad when a mouse is connected?
[14:33] <gnrp> Stabington: Try out synclient
[14:33] <gnrp> I guess you would have to script that yourself though
[14:34] <Stabington> lovely
[15:02] <gnrp> Stabington: You can also do it non-automatically via the settings, though
[15:25] <jdwwatts> how do i get rid of the message on start problem with settings ?
[15:26] <diogenes_> jdwwatts, what message?
[15:28] <jdwwatts> yes all it says is problem with settings and the optionsare report problem and cancel it came on when i atemted to upgrade via chat instructions and boched it
[15:28] <jdwwatts> oops
[15:29] <jdwwatts> other than that everthing works fine
[15:29] <diogenes_> try this in terminal: sudo apt install -f
[15:30] <jdwwatts> ok here goes
[15:31] <Hamilton> Why these emojis are not in color? (FF on Ubuntu 18.04) http://i.imgur.com/T3OgrNX.png
[15:33] <jdwwatts> ok it says the following programs were automatically installed and no longer necessary then it give a remove comand
[15:34] <diogenes_> but did it install anything?
[15:35] <jdwwatts> it said building dependancy tree and reading list thats all
[15:36] <diogenes_> ok now run: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[15:41] <jdwwatts> its getiing busy now
[15:42] <jdwwatts> i ran the sugjest comands
[15:43] <diogenes_> and what is the result? did it update anything?
[15:45] <jdwwatts> when i ran the update it said the system is up to date then i ran the other one for upgrade and its asking to ok things now
[15:48] <jdwwatts> Looks like the upgrade is a long process
[15:49] <diogenes_> what is it doing now?
[15:49] <jdwwatts> preparing and unpacking
[15:52] <diogenes_> could you make a screenshot of the terminal window?
[15:53] <diogenes_> make it full screen first.
[15:53] <jdwwatts> how
[15:55] <jdwwatts> oh crap it dissapeared
[15:56] <diogenes_> what disappeared?
[15:56] <jdwwatts> like it crashed or something the terminal emulater
[15:57] <diogenes_> open it again and run: sudo apt install -f
[15:59] <jdwwatts> waiting for signal could not get lock how can i get a screen shot
[16:00] <diogenes_> open menu and type screenshot
[16:00] <jdwwatts>  ld by proccess ?
[16:00] <diogenes_> active window and delay 5 sec.
[16:01] <diogenes_> then host to imgur and share the link.
[16:04] <jdwwatts> still understand I don't see an active window option in the term
[16:05] <diogenes_> not in terminal <diogenes_> open menu and type screenshot
[16:05] <jdwwatts> its still ld by processing somthingthough
[16:19] <jdwwatts> ok i have a screenshot in the browser
[16:20] <jdwwatts> what do i do with it
[16:20] <diogenes_> share the url link here.
[16:21] <jdwwatts> https://i.imgur.com/j8QBOxT.png
[16:22] <diogenes_> ok now run: sudo apt autoremove
[16:22] <diogenes_> BUT
[16:24] <diogenes_> i'd advice you to have an usb drive with xubuntu so you can reinstall if something goes wrong.
[16:25] <jdwwatts> https://imgur.com/7O6eNUw.png
[16:25] <jdwwatts> ok
[16:26] <jdwwatts> so do i click y
[16:27] <diogenes_> hit enter
[16:28] <jdwwatts> ok
[16:28] <abtm76> I have a weird xrdp situation
[16:29] <abtm76> first I am trying to rdp to an xubuntu machine (not logged in)
[16:29] <jdwwatts> heres the screen shot link
[16:29] <jdwwatts> https://imgur.com/zVZTSsA.png
[16:29] <abtm76> I connect, but instead of the xubuntu customized xfce4 desktop
[16:29] <abtm76> I am shown the vanella xfce4 desktop
[16:30] <abtm76> when I log in locally though I do see the xubuntu desktop instead
[16:31] <Hamilton> What is ubuntu's default monospace font? What did I mess with here http://i.imgur.com/WC1tc1u.png
[16:31] <diogenes_> jdwwatts, after it's done run: sudo apt update
[16:31] <jdwwatts> ok
[16:31] <diogenes_> then: sudo apt upgrade
[16:55] <UrbanBushCraft> experts - I am looking for the quickest/simplest way to enable RDP in XUbuntu 20.04. It is a virgin install and I want to connect from OSX workstation, but also other [x]ubuntu systems. any pointers appreciated as there is lots of "old" posts/blogs etc
[16:56] <abtm76> follow this guide
[16:56] <abtm76> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjkuojA1prpAhUZK80KHU4jA7sQFjAAegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Flinuxconfig.org%2Fubuntu-20-04-remote-desktop-access-from-windows-10&usg=AOvVaw1n6Lz-LotgdnCFpQGvyB-F
[16:56] <abtm76> for linux try using remmina as a client and not usre what to use from OSx.  if there is a native app try that first
[16:57] <abtm76> I hate that google obscures the actual url to force you back through their system
[16:57] <abtm76> actual url: https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-20-04-remote-desktop-access-from-windows-10
[16:57] <abtm76> its updated for 20.04
[16:58] <abtm76> I was able to get xrdp working fine
[16:59] <abtm76> only issue I am seeing is that when I connect it starts an xfce4 session without the xubuntu customizations
[16:59] <abtm76> which is still usable but annoying and I would like to figure out cause
[17:21] <abtm76> UrbanBushCraft did that link give you what you needed?
[18:49] <abtm76> I have a weird xrdp situation.  first I am trying to rdp to an xubuntu machine (not logged in).  I connect, but instead of the xubuntu customized xfce4 desktop.  I am shown the vanilla xfce4 desktop.  However, when I log in locally though I do see the xubuntu desktop instead. any suggestions on where to look/troubleshoot?  Thanks
[18:57] <UrbanBushCraft> thanks @abtm76 - I hate google too ;-)
[19:35] <brainwash> abtm76: I would compare the environmental variables
[19:37] <abtm76> good thought
[19:37] <abtm76> thank you
[19:44] <abtm76> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is different and XDG_SESSION_PATH is missing from rdp
[20:54] <dio> .
[21:40] <Unit193> abtm76: Set XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=xubuntu before running startxfce4.  My ~/.xinitrc looks like: http://paste.openstack.org/show/ibW4oNzU9FFhxZBYW7Mr, and I have /usr/local/bin/startxubuntu with http://paste.openstack.org/show/7gzslkolR6gEwKyM55cs for if I want to use x2go.
[22:08] <turbokitty> is snap absolute nessecary for xubuntu?
[22:08] <Unit193> If you use chromium or lxd, yes.
[22:18] <sm0rux> Unit193: That's why I stay away from Chromium and lxd :)
[22:20] <Unit193> sm0rux: Does the new software thingy come as a snap now?
[22:22] <sm0rux> Don't know. I've uninstalled snapd. Still on 18.04. Maybe that doesn't work in 20.04?
[22:23] <Unit193> I'm sure you can still, might have to use synaptic but that's a feature not a bug. :P
[22:23] <Unit193> turbokitty: So I'd say yes.
[22:25] <sm0rux> Unit193: I really prefer to install from repos. Why? I'm more comfortable to do it that way.
[22:25] <Unit193> sm0rux: You don't have to push that argument to me, I have not nor will I use snaps nor flatpaks.  I will package it if need be though.
[22:28] <sm0rux> :)
[23:30] <xu-irc47w> what is the system requirements for xubuntu?
[23:30] <Unit193> What do you have?
[23:31] <xu-irc47w> I have a pentium 4 1.7ghz
[23:31] <xu-irc47w> 256mb ram
[23:31] <xu-irc47w> 80gb IDE hdd
[23:31] <genii> Pretty sure P4 is 32bit
[23:31] <xu-irc47w> mhm
[23:31] <xu-irc47w> Its a Willamette p4 btw
[23:31] <Unit193> Basically what you want to consider is what you'll be running, if all you want to do is irc and read email via alpine or something then you won't need as much if you use libreoffice and firefox.  However P4 is 32bit and 256ram isn't enough.
[23:32] <xu-irc47w> oh
[23:32] <xu-irc47w> I heard xubuntu has a 32 bit image
[23:33] <genii> For 18.04, but not for 20.04
[23:33] <xu-irc47w> oh
[23:33] <Unit193> No deriv of Ubuntu has them post 20.04
[23:33] <lighterowl> yeah, i386 as a host platform is now dead when it comes to Ubuntu.
[23:33] <Unit193> Regardless, you won't be running firefox or chromium on 256M
[23:33] <genii> Unit193: I think Lubuntu is the last haldout
[23:33] <genii> *holdout
[23:33] <Unit193> genii: The archive isn't there, Lubuntu can't.
[23:34] <xu-irc47w> welp imma go freeBSD then
[23:34] <Unit193> That's an interesting fallback, fwiw Debian also...Oh.
[23:35] <lighterowl> yeah
[23:35] <lighterowl> I use Debian on my very very old Pentium M laptop.
[23:36] <Unit193> Oooh, are you one of the lucky ones where the Pentium M reports PAE?
[23:37] <lighterowl> yes :)
[23:38] <Unit193> Same, though I don't really use it as a desktop.
[23:39] <lighterowl> I hardly ever boot that laptop, I usually don't have a reason to.
[23:39] <lighterowl> I mostly just fire it up every few months to update the system, but that's about it.
[23:39] <lighterowl> tried installing Windows 10 on it today for fun, but even the installer didn't want to run. :(
[23:39] <Unit193> Requires EFI and 64bit no?
[23:40] <Unit193> Though, this isn't really on topic for #xubuntu.
[23:41] <lighterowl> nah, it's still installable on ordinary 32-bit BIOS systems. the installer launched but crapped out with a IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL error. I guess that particular laptop must have an exotic combination of I/O resources or something like that. tried fiddling around with BIOS and disabling almost every builtin device, but that still didn't work.
[23:41] <lighterowl> Unit193: okay, I'm shutting up now. :)


[02:02] <Unit193> hggdh: Are you going to try and reschedule, try a different communication method, or just give up for now?
[12:18] <hggdh> Unit193: try & re-shedule


[01:48] <philidox> Seriously does ubuntu mobile exists or not?
[02:38] <philidox> HELLO
[06:10] <dholbach> good morning
[06:12] <Hobbsee> morning dholbach
[06:12] <dholbach> hi Hobbsee
[11:59] <asbjorn> hi guys ;) Got my hands on a htc shift the other day and would very much like to try out ubuntu mobile on it... Vista is making me sick... Has anyone tried UME on a shift yet?
[11:59] <asbjorn> is it at all usable?
[13:44] <amitk> asbjorn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ  , short answer: No
[13:45] <asbjorn> amitk: looking for the long one ;) thats why I'm in here...
[13:46] <persia> asbjorn: Try installing an image.  The shift is at least listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded as a target
[13:48] <amitk> asbjorn: I meant to say 'No, it isn't there yet, but some parts are usable'. You could try flashing an image.
[13:53] <asbjorn> ok... I was wondering if there are any developers working on a shift image ( since the shift is listed as a target device ), and what the status was for that particular device..?! Would be nice to know a bit more before starting to frack up the thing ;)
[13:54] <asbjorn> the development status that is ;)
[13:58] <smagoun> asbjorn: I am not aware of anyone working with Ubuntu Mobile on an HTC Shift. Despite the wiki page, the only platforms used with any regularity are the Samsung Q1 and a handful of Menlow prototypes like Intel's Crown Beach reference platform.
[13:58] <amitk> asbjorn: I am not familiar with the HTC hardware, but if it is similar to the Samsung Q1's internals, then most stuff should just work.
[14:00] <persia> smagoun/amitk: The Kohjinsha SH6 is also listed.   Most things should work, but I expect Wi-Fi and a few other components may cause trouble.
[14:03] <asbjorn> so its only the q1 that will be supported upon release?
[14:03] <asbjorn> is there not going to be a release in like 10 days?
[14:03] <persia> smagoun: OK.  I was more worried about the SH6 being a specific target.  If it's more just that nobody is working on it, I'll go shopping (as nobody seems to sell what I want anyway).
[14:04] <smagoun> asbjorn: I think that's the official answer, yes.
[14:05] <annonymouse> hi just heard about ubuntu mobile,  i have a htc kaiser (1615)   is this possible to work
[14:07] <amitk> persia: I think the page doesn't list those examples as official targets, more like examples of other devices using the same HW platform. So except for some special peripherals, the basic stuff should work across different devices.
[14:07] <smagoun> annonymouse: Ubuntu Mobile will not work on the Kaiser. UM only supports devices with an x86 processor; the Kaiser uses an ARM CPU.
[14:08] <annonymouse> pooh bears  thank you tho
[14:08] <persia> amitk: Thanks for the clarification.  I thought it was a list of goals.
[14:08] <annonymouse> is there a list of devices any where?
[14:09] <amitk> annonymouse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[14:10] <smagoun> annonymouse: The only supported devices are the Samsung Q1 and a handful of Menlow prototypes like Intel's Crown Beach reference platform.
[14:10] <annonymouse> ahh ok
[14:10] <annonymouse> thank you
[15:16] <Mariandroid> hello =)
[15:17] <Mariandroid> is there a way to run ubuntu on an Asus MyPal A720 ?
[15:18] <persia> Mariandroid: Not really.  You'd be better off with Debian ARM or something based on openembedded (unless you like cross-building and porting: if so, please share)
[15:19] <Mariandroid> what you put between brackets I do not understand =)
[15:20] <persia> Mariandroid: It is theoretically possible to recompile some parts of Ubuntu to work on such a device, but it'd be a lot of work, and nobody has done it yet.  If my comment above didn't make any sense, you likely don't want to do that.
[15:21] <Mariandroid> =)
[15:21] <Mariandroid> eh no =)
[15:22] <Mariandroid> I've only ever recompiled one linuxthingie... and after a week of baking, it gave me something that failed =)
[15:22] <Mariandroid> so I guess I best not go there
[15:24] <Mariandroid> but do i understand correctly that if I manage to get that Debian ARM onthere I can use the same applications I'd normally use ?
[15:27] <agoliveira> Mariandroid: I don't know what OS this device of yours run but if it's a PDA, probably no.
[15:27] <persia> Mariandroid: There have been varying reports of success, but unless it has a keyboard, you will likely be unsatisfied.
[15:28]  * Mariandroid has the ThinkOutside Stowaway bluetooth keyboard
[15:28] <persia> Anyway, here isn't the best place to discuss that :)
[15:29] <Mariandroid> oh I'm sorry =)
[15:29] <Mariandroid> someone on #ubuntu on dalnet suggested me to go here =)
[15:29] <Mariandroid> thanks =)
[15:29] <persia> Oh, if your device was supported, this would be the right place.  It's just that it's not compatible.
[15:30] <Mariandroid> too bad =)
[15:30] <Mariandroid> ah well, thanks =)
[15:30] <Mariandroid> I'll try to find out how to get it to work


[08:07] <ScottK> lamont: Thanks.  I want to backport that.  I think we need the multiarch stuff for oneiric (or did you shove that in too - I'll look)
[08:10] <lamont> ScottK: multiarch is there
[08:10] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[08:10] <lamont> ScottK: I've been informed that the multiarch patch is safe-for-debian, by he who knows best
[08:11] <ScottK> This is the same guy that did the patch that led to postfix being sru'ed in Natty already?
[08:11] <ScottK> ;-)
[08:12] <Daniel0108> hi MacSlow
[08:13] <MacSlow> Mahlzeit Daniel0108
[08:30] <alex6567> hello all! Did you know it posible use unicode on ncurses lib? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1755327
[08:32] <mdke> I wonder if anyone could give me some guidance on who might be able/willing to help out with my query here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/033095.html
[08:33] <slangasek> alex6567: note the topic's suggestion to use #ubuntu-app-devel for app development questions.  But for starters, if you want widechar support you need to link against libncursesw, not libncurses.
[08:36] <alex6567> thanks try to google
[08:47] <slangasek> bdmurray, bryceh_: do either of you have a good way to mass-mark a group of bugs as duplicates?
[08:47] <slangasek> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/~fadly87)
[08:47] <slangasek> (all duplicates of bug #780877)
[08:49] <sbeattie> slangasek: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ubuntu-qa-tools/master/view/head:/responses/is-duplicate
[08:50] <cjwatson> slangasek: lp-set-dup?
[08:50] <cjwatson> (in ubuntu-dev-tools)
[08:51] <slangasek> cjwatson: ta :)
[08:53] <ogra_> cjwatson, for oneiric we want to drop the netbook seed, i was wondering if we have an easy way for doing that transition through the seed management or if i need to roll an empty dummy package to do that transition
[08:54] <ogra_> .oO(how did we handle it for UNR->desktop ?)
[10:01] <jelmer> pitti, hi
[10:01] <jelmer> pitti, did the bzr packaging session get cancelled?
[10:23] <cjwatson> could somebody in ubuntu-mir review bug 780591 reasonably soon?  it's blocking part of the perl transition (indirectly)
[10:33] <kees> sladen: regarding capabilities, this is one review of the isolation failure issues: http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2522
[10:40] <sladen> kees: loooong read.  I only know from the vserver perserpective (and no several years out of date); but none of the first 19 are/were given to container ruid=0 by default (so empty /dev and no mknod())
[10:42] <sladen> kees: and CAP_NET_RAW only given explicitly (in this case to get ICMP ping to work)
[10:42] <kees> sladen: right, with a very restricted cap bounding set, you can feel much safer in a container
[10:43] <kees> sladen: I think the addition of syscall filtering will make that even stronger. (currently being discussed upstream, driven by the chromium folks)
[10:44] <sladen> kees: can apparmour already provide that level of syscall filtering (either complete denial, or explicit validation of syscall parameters)
[10:45] <kees> sladen: no, MACs (SELinux, AppArmor, etc) filter a higher level of access, but don't filter syscalls.
[10:45] <kees> sladen: for example, when new syscalls are added to the system, the MAC may not have any hooks into it, so an attacker has a certain subsets of the attack surface to use
[10:46] <sladen> kees: nod, ah
[10:46] <kees> it's all crazy :)
[10:47] <kees> SECCOMP (and soon SECCOMP mode 2) is what will do the syscall filtering. see "man prctl" for SECCOMP
[11:46] <cjwatson> ogra_: I'm not convinced we *did* handle it for unr->desktop (except perhaps in update-manager?)
[11:46] <cjwatson> ogra_: there's no way to do it in seed management - better and clearer to build an empty package by hand
[11:47] <cjwatson> ogra_: but if you can make update-manager help out, so much the better
[12:12] <alex6567> i have idea what libncursesw5-dev have problems. in src #include <ncursesw.h> say file not exist
[13:24] <highvoltage> if Martin Pitt is pitti, then why isn't Martin Pool called "pooli"?
[13:26] <Amaranth> highvoltage: you could be cartej :P
[13:27] <Amaranth> oh, I added an extra character
[13:27]  * Amaranth needs a nap
[14:20] <broder> cjwatson: if i run backport-helper against staging, where i've "approved" a backport of a single package to multiple releases, that bug comes up once for each series/backports project: http://paste.ubuntu.com/606144/
[14:20] <broder> does that not work for you?
[14:21] <cjwatson> broder: yes - that's not the point at which stuff is awkward for multiple target series
[14:24] <broder> oh, hmm, i guess i misunderstood the issue, then. what's the current problem?
[14:30] <cjwatson> broder: it's that the backports are all generated into a single directory, and the script doesn't like it when a file already exists
[14:30] <cjwatson> so .orig.tar.gz tends to clash
[14:31] <broder> ah, ok. so this is actually totally not my problem at all. got it :)
[14:34] <cjwatson> it's not a major problem, it just means us doing stuff in a couple of passes
[15:36] <hallyn> jdstrand: libvirt needs to be rebuilt for oneiric to find the new brctl (in /sbin/ not /usr/sbin now).  It doesn't need any changes, configure will find it.  How do I kick off the new build?
[15:37] <hallyn> i will take lxc integration, in cooperation with dlezcano
[15:37] <hallyn> we'll add it to the agenda for the lxc sprint in august
[15:38] <hallyn> doh
[15:38] <micahg> hallyn: someone just needs to upload a no change rebuild, dch -R to create the changelog
[15:39] <hallyn> micahg: ok, thanks
[16:01] <TerminX_> heh, I was bored so I decided to try upgrading a 32-bit install to a full 64-bit kernel/userland in-place without a reinstall
[16:02] <TerminX_> I actually made it work ;D busybox-static, 10 years of dpkg experience and some nasty hacks with sed on the contents of /var/lib/dpkg for the win
[16:10] <ogra_> infinity, poke
[17:08] <Cas07> is there a specific name for the special mode dash (Alt+F2) in unity?
[17:22] <tseliot> tjaalton: are you there?
[17:23] <tjaalton> tseliot: at my room
[17:23] <tseliot> tjaalton: do you already know what kind of food we're aiming for?
[17:23] <tjaalton> nope
[17:24] <tseliot> ok
[17:24] <tseliot> tjaalton: ok, let's talk downstairs then
[17:24] <tjaalton> yeah, meet you there
[17:29] <tseliot> bryceh: are you there?
[17:30] <bryceh> tseliot, yep, on my way down
[17:31] <bryceh> didn't find sarvatt
[17:32] <tseliot> bryceh, tjaalton: can you both join #dinner please?
[18:14] <hallyn> is htere a way to force lp to import from the package?  libvirt is two versions behind...
[18:34] <geser> hallyn: import to where in LP?
[18:43] <hallyn> geser: lp:ubuntu/oneiric/libvirt
[18:43] <hallyn> for now i'm just doing the sync by hand
[18:45] <geser> hallyn: this happens when the importer hits a bug, it stops importing any future version till this gets fixed (see http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/libvirt.html#2011-03-29%2015:05:13.895974)
[19:26] <hallyn> geser: so how does one fix it?  do I bzr push a clean version cloned from the package?
[19:29] <geser> hallyn: ask james_w ; but probably pushing yourself won't improve the situation (you would need to take care of importing Ubuntu revisions and Debian revisions in the right order to have a proper history)
[19:59] <hallyn> geser: thanks
[19:59] <hallyn> james_w: ^
[20:09] <odla> will gnome3 be officially supported in 11.10 and beyond?
[20:29] <hallyn> jdstrand: do you happen to know why X-Python-Version in libvirt's debian/control is listed as 2.6?
[20:45] <infinity> ogra_: You poked?  I've been out all day.


[00:06] <Jef91> Anyone know how you make lightdm autologin?
[00:07] <holstein> i would look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_to_enable_automatic_logon
[00:18] <gld1982ltd> holstein: does that work for you?
[00:25] <holstein> gld1982ltd: dont know... dont use auto login
[00:27] <gld1982ltd> holstein: i am referring to the power button
[00:29] <holstein> gld1982ltd: OH.. i didnt worry about that either.. i just do the shutdown, or sudo halt
[00:30] <holstein> im usually on laptops anyways, and i dont shutdown
[00:30] <holstein> i go into LXDE and openbox expecting to trade speed and performance for features
[00:31] <gld1982ltd> i hear ya.
[05:58] <straddle_> Hi - this is my first time ever using IRC so be gentle! I just installed Lubuntu 12.04 on my old Dell Inspiron 1300 laptop in an effort to make it useful again for simple tasks.
[05:59] <straddle_> I want to be able to use it for email and basic web stuff
[05:59] <straddle_> unfortunately the wifi is not being detected
[06:01] <straddle_> wired lan works fine, and the wifi worked fine in Ubuntu 12.04 but not in Lubuntu 12.04
[06:02] <straddle_> Can anyone help me get it working?
[06:28] <JohnDoe_71Rus> straddle_: pastebin output lspci from terminal
[09:06] <Perry_> hi everyone
[10:16] <alternativeguiap> can anyone recommend me a GRAPHICAL alternative to lxmed that does not require java?
[10:18] <alternativeguiap> anyone?
[14:04] <bLadymoo> Hi
[14:04] <bLadymoo> I have Lxde desktop installed on my ubuntu unity
[14:04] <bLadymoo> VEry happy with Lxde
[14:04] <holstein> bLadymoo: you install lxde in ubuntu?
[14:04] <bLadymoo> yeah
[14:04] <holstein> thats a lot like what lubuntu is
[14:04] <TheLordOfTime> bLadymoo:  you mean you installed LXDE on top of default Ubuntu which comes with GNOME and Unity?
[14:05] <holstein> lubuntu is ubuntu with LXDE
[14:06] <bLadymoo> YEah first I installed Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS wich uses Unity as default. Then I installed LXDE Desktop on it.
[14:06] <holstein> cool... enjoy!
[14:07] <TheLordOfTime> holstein:  i think he kept the gnome packages though
[14:07] <TheLordOfTime> like... all of them...
[14:07] <holstein> sure.. you can "keep" whatever you like.. you can login using unity then LXDE.. like dualbooting :)
[14:07] <TheLordOfTime> speaking to someone who keeps each runtime around
[14:08] <bLadymoo> It boots with blue "lubuntu" logo anymore. not ubuntu.
[14:08] <TheLordOfTime> on this machine, I have the GNOME/Unity runtime, a KDE runtime, XFCE runtime, and Lxde runtime :P
[14:08] <holstein> only reason i would bother removing them is if hard drive space were an issue
[14:08] <TheLordOfTime> but i didnt install all the other cruftware that comes with each desktop :P
[14:09] <bLadymoo> How do I make sure there is nothing that slows down my boot time with lubuntu?
[14:10] <holstein> i just dont reboot that often.. there are startup applications and services
[14:12] <holstein> i would probably read some links like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491 until the commands make sense
[14:13] <menethoril> holstein: It would be incredibly difficult to remove all of that by hand.  Wouldn't it be simpler to just backup your /home and reinstall vanilla Lubuntu if you want to keep it?
[14:13] <TheLordOfTime> menethoril:  if necessary, but...
[14:13] <TheLordOfTime> menethoril:  i think the list of what the desktop packages install is kept around somewhere
[14:14] <holstein> menethoril: remove all of what?
[14:14] <TheLordOfTime> holstein:  the installed programs that come with [flavor]-desktop ?
[14:15] <holstein> i just leave them in place unless im worried about hard drive space
[14:15] <holstein> !pure
[14:15] <holstein> !purelxde
[14:16] <menethoril> TheLordOfTime: He could remove each and every program installed with Kubuntu-desktop, Xubuntu-desktop, etc. and just autoremove afterward, but it seems like a way to swiftly bork a config file or something.
[14:20] <bLadymoo> holstein, thank you. this page you gave would be a good start to read and doo
[14:20] <bLadymoo> can I shoot one more question
[14:20] <holstein> bLadymoo: thats what we are here for
[14:21] <bLadymoo> is there any stable (wont crash my display) themes for this GNOME PAnel i use with LXDE?
[14:21] <holstein> you are using a gnome panel with lxde?
[14:21] <bLadymoo> yeah
[14:22] <bLadymoo> I installed GNOME Panel on my Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS and LXDE
[14:22] <holstein> i have not done that.. i would expect any gnome panel theme to work
[14:22] <bLadymoo> it boots with LXDE right in to Gnome Panel (Gnome Classic)
[14:23] <holstein> the new gnome panel is one of my biggest gripes with the new gnome personally
[14:28] <bLadymoo> where do i find the new gnome panel
[14:29] <bLadymoo> This is what I get as result when I do sudo apt-get update : Reading package lists... Done
[14:29] <bLadymoo> W: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org precise InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[14:47] <bLadymoo> any idea?
[14:48] <holstein> bLadymoo: yup.. as it says, the sigs cannot be verified
[14:48] <holstein> you can look into adding the proper public key
[14:48] <bLadymoo> what is public key
[14:49] <holstein> bLadymoo: its the key you are missing that is causing that error
[14:50] <bLadymoo> how do i place it back?
[14:51] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1221323.html
[14:51] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/20725/gpg-error-the-following-signatures-couldnt-be-verified-because-the-public-key
[14:52] <holstein> might be as simple as sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[14:52] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[14:54] <bLadymoo> add the hexadecimal numbers to the command (again, these are my keys from my error. Make sure to use your own):
[14:54] <bLadymoo> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5 DCF9F87B6DFBCBAE 2EBC26B60C5A2783 A8A515F046D7E7CF 6E871C4A881574DE 28A8205077558DD0 D739676F7613768D 8C851674F96FD737 C0B56813051D8B58 4874D3686E80C6B7 60D11217247D1CFF 5A9A06AEF9CB8DB0 6D975C4791E7EE5E 5A9BF3BB4E5E17B5 7FB8BEE0A1F196A8
[14:54] <bLadymoo> "make sure to use ur own" what does it mean with thast?
[14:54] <bLadymoo> *that?
[14:55] <holstein> bLadymoo: what command did you run? that giant one?
[14:55] <holstein> where did you get that?
[14:56] <bLadymoo> didnt
[14:56] <bLadymoo> its in that page u gave
[14:56] <holstein> bLadymoo: sure.. that will be for *that* particular error, not yours
[14:56] <holstein> the one i gave is what i would expect to fis yours
[14:57] <holstein> fix*
[14:57] <bLadymoo> this was my error: W: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org precise InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[14:57] <holstein> correct
[14:57] <holstein> thats where i got that code i linked you in the command i gave
[14:57] <holstein> 10:52 < holstein> might be as simple as sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[14:57] <bLadymoo> so i should type sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[14:58] <holstein> bLadymoo: you should add the key for the repository that is giving you that error
[14:59] <bLadymoo> holstein, you were right. Its fixed
[15:00] <holstein> bLadymoo: you dont want to just copy and paste commands from posts
[15:01] <holstein> that can get you into trouble.. you can always paste the command here and ask "does this look right?"
[16:34] <silverarrow> should minitube crash instantly in lubuntu?
[16:35] <holstein> in ppc, i would expect that
[16:36] <silverarrow> crap
[16:37] <silverarrow> I have used it before on regular pc,  but some time ago
[16:37] <silverarrow> it behaved exactly the same
[16:37] <holstein> yup.. flash is just awful
[16:37] <silverarrow> I thought it  might be different now
[16:37] <silverarrow> core2duo still should not be too horrid
[16:38] <silverarrow> I have to get a i7
[16:38] <silverarrow> is quad core a must these days?
[16:38] <leszek> hi
[16:39] <silverarrow> odd thing is I can get by on celeron cpu still, at least the fastest ones
[16:39] <silverarrow> hi leszek
[16:39] <leszek> silverarrow: it depends pretty much on what you do or want to do with your pc
[16:40] <leszek> for surfing, writing mails, watching some movies and listening to music even a single core atom is enough
[16:40] <silverarrow> true, I am not that demanding I though, but some stuff needs good hardware
[16:40] <leszek> yeah that for sure
[16:40] <leszek> video editing for example :P
[16:40] <holstein> compiling and rendering would benefit certainly
[16:41] <silverarrow> laptop is a must, good HD screen, fast, and I suppose if there is a chance the computer is intact and all fine after three years and still want to use it you need the i7
[16:41] <holstein> still, you can usually do it.. just might be limited or take 10 times longer
[16:41] <silverarrow> I do a bit of video editing, but not much
[16:42] <silverarrow> 17 " screen is nice to watchd, but 15" is more portable
[16:48] <menethoril> Get The newer version (1.8?) from a PPA.  Just search for it, I believe it is on webupd8.  It is far more stable.
[17:09] <leszek> re
[17:47] <bLadymoo> holstein,
[17:47] <bLadymoo> around?
[17:48] <Unit193> Howdy, whatcha need?
[17:49] <bLadymoo> anayway. is there a software that i can ignore some programs to run on startup?
[17:49] <holstein> bLadymoo: if you are new, i would just "get your feet wet" with the system
[17:50] <holstein> just use it for a while.. otherwise there are links like the one i linked before about how to speed up boot time
[17:50] <bLadymoo> holstein,  i tried this sysv-rc-conf
[17:50] <holstein> you can search for those with "ubuntu" instead of "lubuntu".. might get more results
[17:51] <bLadymoo> it did help some but it does not shows the mail that stands at top right on task bar which shows Online | Offline | Avilable ect for chat i guess
[17:51] <Unit193> There's a program that tells you what services run on startup, if you know you don't use some of those.
[17:52] <holstein> bLadymoo: i think its in the "i guess" that i urge you to look... dont assume things are taking up resources in linux
[17:52] <holstein> if you are new, i suggest taking some time and getting used to the system
[17:52] <holstein> shaving a few seconds off the boot time can take a lot of time editing and testing and breaking and reverting
[17:53] <bLadymoo> holstein,  alright. I am new and curious, BUT ur right. no need to start a trouble with playing system... i will follow what u say.
[17:53] <bLadymoo> i better play with icons and themes ect..
[17:54] <holstein> play with what you like.. just be aware that you can break things... and probably will.. which is a great way to learn
[17:54] <bLadymoo> How about giving more space between icons at taskbar that myself placed like chormium icon.. Those icons are stands so close to each other atm.
[17:55] <holstein> what task bar? the gnome panel?.. i havent used the new gnome panel
[17:55] <bLadymoo> btw. LXDE is increadably clean and light!
[17:55] <bLadymoo> Gnome panel yes... the right top
[17:55] <bLadymoo> oh i see
[18:35] <silverarrow> hi
[18:35] <silverarrow> does anyone know how gstreamer relatest to media streams in lubuntu?
[18:36] <holstein> in ppc linux under lubuntu
[18:36] <silverarrow> no more in general
[18:36] <silverarrow> well ppc too
[18:37] <silverarrow> I checked with a i384 system, and minitube crashes there too
[18:37] <holstein> silverarrow: you tried the PPA that menethoril suggested?
[18:37] <silverarrow> no
[18:38] <silverarrow> what did he suggest?
[18:38] <holstein> ppa.. trying the latest
[18:38] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/minitube
[18:38] <silverarrow> you mean, ppa as in precise pangolin?
[18:38] <holstein> problem is its a lot of variables
[18:39] <holstein> the content is not being designed to run in minitube
[18:39] <holstein> !ppa
[18:40] <silverarrow> I have 1.6
[18:40] <silverarrow> no wonder,
[18:40] <silverarrow> probably a few fixes thre
[18:40] <silverarrow> thanks holstein
[18:40] <silverarrow> sorry, I was a bit slow there
[18:40] <silverarrow> ppa, lol
[18:41] <holstein> no worries!
[18:46] <silverarrow> not an option for ppc I am afraid
[18:47] <silverarrow> ...but for the i386 computer it is
[18:47] <holstein> silverarrow: i thought you were testing both?
[18:47] <silverarrow> I am,
[18:48] <holstein> i would try the latest on nonPPPC
[18:48] <silverarrow> but hard to test ppc when there is not package
[18:48] <holstein> sure.. but you will know something
[18:48] <silverarrow> I will,
[18:48] <holstein> if it works well on non ppc, then you'll know that its possible, and not every version is crap
[18:48] <silverarrow> I  have had this trouble with minitube before, and I just gave it up
[18:48] <holstein> you'll know that you should try and find/build the latest version for pps
[18:49] <holstein> if it still sux, you can just give up
[18:49] <holstein> silverarrow: i literally read about what minitube was and gave up on it
[18:49] <holstein> years ago.. too many variables
[18:49] <silverarrow> I have discovered an odd thing with minitube
[18:51] <silverarrow> there is an addon in firefox "minitube-integration" where any youtube video starting in browser open in a separate window in minitub too, and do not crash?
[18:51] <silverarrow> best picture quality too
[18:52] <silverarrow> for ppc sound is lost on html5 in Firefox 15
[18:54] <holstein> ppc is not actively developed
[18:54] <holstein> i mean, if you were near me, id just give you some p4 and you could donate that ppc
[19:10] <silverarrow> holstein: so minitube is not that fancy?
[19:10] <holstein> fancy?... its just playing youtube vids
[19:10] <holstein> i dont care much about either
[19:12] <ActionParsnip> minitube is grea
[19:15] <inkyion> hi everyone! somehow over the 11->12 upgrade my sound and mic settings have gone bonkers, i was wondering if anyone's had experience fixing this sort of thing
[19:16] <silverarrow> well, I have opened alsamixer and fuzzed with settings?
[19:16] <silverarrow> bonkers, you mean way off or lost at sea?
[19:16] <inkyion> whoa, fuzzed? what do you mean?
[19:17] <silverarrow> well, sometimes settings go off in mixer during updates
[19:17] <silverarrow> have you opened terminal and typed in alsamixer?
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> inkyion: try:  killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse*    wait 10 sconds then retry sound
[19:18] <inkyion> um, ok. the new skype (4.?) was "automatically" adjusting mic and volume (i assume in alsa) and doing a bad job of it. then today the mic stopped working altogether. naturally the first thing i did was unset the setting to let it autoadjust
[19:18] <inkyion> i did open up alsamixer, that was next
[19:18] <silverarrow> the vegetable hero is the clever guy
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> haha only sometimes
[19:19] <inkyion> i unmuted the mic and cranked up most of the booster but i don't know what all the settings mean
[19:19] <Unit193> http://askubuntu.com/questions/96367/how-can-i-get-line-in-microphone-working-with-skype-on-lubuntu-11-10 ?
[19:19] <inkyion> i read that you're supposed to kill pulseaudio but i don't understand what it does
[19:20] <silverarrow> me neiter really, but I play around with them until I am fairly happy, this laptop has horrid sound anyway
[19:20] <inkyion> here's the thing
[19:20] <ActionParsnip> inkyion: it frees up the config files, pulse gets set to automatically rerun, it will then generate default configs
[19:20] <inkyion> i try to record sound with audacity and that isn't working either
[19:20] <silverarrow> I didn`t think we had pulseaudio in lubuntu?
[19:20] <inkyion> trying the pulseaudio thing
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> not by default, it can be installed (one of my systems needs it for some reason)
[19:28] <inkyion> sorry my whole everything just froze
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> inkyion: have you tested your RAM?
[19:32] <inkyion> no? would that sort of thing just pop up all of a sudden? this computer is relatively new (~2 years old) and pretty reliable. am now trying to record sound after reboot
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> inkyion: RAM can be DOA
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> inkyion: newness is irrelevant, if you are getting freezing it may be bad RAM
[19:35] <inkyion> i think i just had waaaaay too many windows open.
[19:35] <inkyion> how do i test my ram?
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> inkyion: reboot, hold SHIFT and select memtest from Grub
[19:36] <silverarrow> htop?
[19:36] <inkyion> thanks
[19:37] <silverarrow> serious memtest
[19:37] <inkyion> what's the difference between mic, mic-boost, internal boost, and capture
[19:37] <inkyion> ?
[19:37] <silverarrow> memory are usually not a problem on newer hard ware
[19:38] <silverarrow> in media player?
[19:38] <inkyion> in alsa
[19:39] <silverarrow> not sure
[19:39] <silverarrow> I just try different settings until I am fairly happy with them
[19:39] <silverarrow> I don`t use mic often
[19:40] <FounderOf42O> Is there a way i can get avdanced touchpad settings on lubuntu? xubuntu and ubuntu have it by default
[19:41] <silverarrow> depends, is it gnome spesific?
[19:42] <silverarrow> in lubuntu there are functions listed under preferances
[19:42] <FounderOf42O> i'm not sure what package it is. could be gpointing-device-settings but it has no integration on lxde and the setings dont stick after reboot
[19:43] <silverarrow> I think you should be able to find most stuff available, maybe with an extra package install
[19:43] <silverarrow> I see
[19:44] <silverarrow> maybe the lxde channel?
[19:44] <FounderOf42O> ok thanks
[19:46] <inkyion> ok, i think i just found out what pulseaudio does :). killing it takes out the little volume control in the dock. re-starting it with pulseaudio -D doesn't seem to restore functionality. playing music no longer makes sounds ok, so pulse does something important. :-D
[19:46] <inkyion> as expected
[19:55] <mooser> Hi. How can I report a wrong spelling on linux?
[19:55] <ActionParsnip> mooser: report a bug
[19:55] <mooser> how
[19:56] <ActionParsnip> mooser: ubuntu-bug packagename     in terminal will start it
[19:58] <inkyion> another reboot later i am giving up for the time being. the only way i can interpret this is pulse makes my computer functional, so i'm keeping it and troubleshoot skype later. thanks for all your help!
[19:58] <mooser> sudo -ubuntu-bug weather indicator
[19:58] <mooser> this did not worked
[20:00] <mooser> btw I visited the extensions.gnome.org and it gives me this warning with a red color text: You do not appear to have an up to date version of GNOME3. You won't be able to install extensions from here. See the about page for more information.
[20:01] <mooser> I have Gnome Panel installed on Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS  with LXDE
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> mooser: no need for sudo, i never mentioned sudo...did I
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> ?
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> mooser: so why add it?
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> mooser: ubuntu-bug weather-indicator     (assuming that is the package name)
[20:07] <ActionParsnip> mooser: if you run smoeting different to what is advised, don't be overly suprised if it doesn't work
[20:07] <mooser> ActionParsnip,  sorry, I thought its all need sudo to effect
[20:07] <ActionParsnip> mooser: no, a lot of things don't need sudo
[20:09] <mooser> i see
[20:10] <mooser> well i may check the software center for right package name maybe
[20:12] <ActionParsnip> mooser: or run:  dpkg -l | grep weather | awk {'print $2'}
[20:13] <silverarrow> I installed Totem, to see if I could get nett Tv to work
[20:15] <silverarrow> not any luck though
[20:15] <mooser> ActionParsnip, Result of the command u gave is: indicator-weather
[20:15] <mooser> libgweather-3-0
[20:15] <mooser> libgweather-common
[20:15] <mooser> python-pywapi
[20:16] <mooser> we put the weather first.
[20:17] <silverarrow> minitube works for powerpc in tiger and leopard OSX
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> mooser: then run:  ubuntu-bug indicator-weather
[20:22] <mooser> did. ive got a bug report screen wich is filled with some information but what i wanted is actually some thing i could type and state the issue


[17:07] <bdmurray> What is the status of ginn?  I've run into bug 985121.
[18:47] <bregma> bdmurray, ginn is mostly unmaintained due to a lack of resources: that particular bug is because the daemon is unable to grab gestures on the root window after some xinput2 changes went in to the x.org server
[18:47] <bregma> it would be swell if someone could pick up and dust the bitrot out of ginn
[21:31] <SoapMacTavish> hello dear ubuntu friends, I have a question for one of you, and i hop ei get to the bottom of this now and for all.
[21:32] <SoapMacTavish> I have this computer here - http://www.tecflap.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Packard-Bell-EasyNote-TE.jpg    can i in some way get my mouse/touchpad to get multitouch gestures, or is this computer not supported for this in any way??
[21:34] <SoapMacTavish> i have read on this page about this project, but i am not shure if it is the right thing i am looking at, because I can see in the videos that it is demonstrated on touch-screens
[21:35] <SoapMacTavish> http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/08/ubuntu-multi-touch-gesture-support.html    <----- that page
[21:49] <SoapMacTavish> no one to answer that?


[08:49] <kraut> moin
[12:21] <kraut> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png
[05:34] <soren> What VM tech have you used to test the -virtual images?
[05:35] <soren> I've only just not discovered that the lsilogic driver is not there and I believe this is the emulated controller in most of VMWare's products?
[08:48] <mjg59> bdmurray: So did the latest kernel fix your uvcvideo suspend issue?
[08:49] <bdmurray> mjg59: I believe so for the most part.  -13 helped a lot but now I am having some issues but in single user mode it suspends fine
[08:49] <bdmurray> So I don't think it is uvcvideo now
[08:50] <mjg59> What sort of issues?
[08:55] <bdmurray> I'm testing again - if you can wait a minute
[08:55] <mjg59> Sure
[08:56] <bdmurray> It seems to only want to suspend 1x
[08:56] <mjg59> As in it doesn't suspend again, or it doesn't resume again?
[08:56] <bdmurray> It won't suspend again
[08:56] <mjg59> How does it fail?
[08:58] <bdmurray> What do I observe?  The screen turns black, multimedia leds still on, caps lock doesn't work.
[08:58] <mjg59> And then it hangs?
[08:59] <bdmurray> Right, I can't do anything at the moment except maybe Sys Req
[09:00] <mjg59> Can you edit /etc/default/acpi-support and set USE_DPMS to false, then boot without "quiet" and attempt a suspend?
[09:00] <mjg59> (And it suspends more than once in single user mode?)
[09:00] <lool> Hey, I branched the git repos and committed a tentative fix, how should I best build it?  debuild -i?
[09:01] <bdmurray> I haven't tried more than once in single user mode. I'll boot into single, edit acpi-support, test suspending 2x then reboot with quiet.  Sound good?
[09:01] <zul> lool: check the wiki
[09:02] <lool> zul: I did, but then perhaps I didn't look long enough; I'll search a bit more
[09:02] <mjg59> Sure
[09:02] <mjg59> (Without quiet)
[09:03] <bdmurray> right, bad typing that
[09:03] <mjg59> Heh
[09:06] <bdmurray> Single user mode failed on the second suspend attempt
[09:06] <lool> zul: Ah got it, thanks
[09:06] <mjg59> Ok.
[09:15] <bdmurray> mjg59: Is there anything else I should do?  by the way with USE_DPMS=false there is a blinking cursor in the lower left hand corner when it hangs
[09:16] <mjg59> bdmurray: Can you do chmod a-x /etc/acpi/suspend.d/75-console-switch.sh and then trigger the second suspend from the console rather than from X?
[09:17] <bdmurray> Would doing that in single user mode be fine?
[09:18] <mjg59> Yeah, should be
[09:18] <mjg59> Make sure you boot without quiet
[09:24] <bdmurray> It stops right after "Shutting down ALSA" then blinking cursor
[09:26] <mjg59> What hardware is this?
[09:26] <mjg59> And does alt+sysrq+t do anything at that point?
[09:28] <bdmurray> HP DV6245US. No what does +t do?
[09:28] <mjg59> Triggers a stack dump of processes
[09:30] <mjg59> Does alt+sysrq+b reboot?
[09:30] <bdmurray> Yes
[09:30] <mjg59> ok, so it's partly alive
[09:31] <mjg59> Can you do one suspend, then comment out line 39 of /etc/acpi/sleep.sh ?
[09:31] <mjg59> Then try suspending again - in theory it should go down and then come straight back up again
[09:39] <bdmurray> Okay, what am I looking for?
[09:41] <mjg59> bdmurray: So it did that?
[09:43] <bdmurray> mjg59: Well, using 'sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh' did nothing but using gdm suspend took it down and back
[09:43] <mjg59> So it suspended, you edited it, then it went down and came back up?
[09:43] <mjg59> Can you stick the entirity of dmesg up somewhere?
[09:44] <bdmurray> Yes and will do
[09:45] <mjg59> Thanks
[09:58] <bdmurray> mjg59: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/2789
[10:01] <mjg59> bdmurray: Hm. Ok. Can you restore /etc/acpi/sleep.sh to its original state and then enable pm_trace?
[10:01] <bdmurray> mjg59: I'm afraid not I still don't have pm_trace on amd64
[10:02] <mjg59> _rtg: I thought we'd agree to enable that?
[10:02] <mjg59> Oh well. Nothing I can do without the hardware, then.
[10:03] <bdmurray> I could recompile or install i386 though right?
[10:04] <mjg59> Yeah, just trying an i386 live CD would be interesting
[11:04] <b08y> hey guys, i wanted to ask, if it is new to you, that the ehci_hcd module seems to be bugy, i have to remove the ehci_hcd , after that the usb2.0 hdd starts to work properly, if i try to use it with ehci_hcd, the usb2.0 hdd hangsup
[11:49] <b08y> ohh i see it a know bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/88746
[11:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88746 in linux-source-2.6.22 "USB devices are not recognized when having ehci_hcd modprobed" [Undecided,Invalid]
[11:49] <b08y> ^^^ that's uncool
[11:50] <b08y> better would be confirmed!
[11:52] <bdmurray> Triaged is one better than confirmed
[11:58] <b08y> oh, i thought its one worse
[11:59] <bdmurray> Nope, you can learn more about bug statuses at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[11:59] <b08y> than it should be "to fix right now!" x_X
[12:00] <b08y> to be honest, im new to bug reporting and stuff like that, i just made a launchpad account
[12:02] <skyburner> good evening
[12:03] <skyburner> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/121978
[12:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121978 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Unknown symbol in module fcpci.ko" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:04] <skyburner> is there any plan to do something on this problem in near future?
[12:06] <deviantintegral> hi. I've been experiencing this kernel panic (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40208/) for a while now. I've been looking for a guide to debugging kernel panics, but I haven't found much. Can someone point me in the right place, or should I just file a bug?
[12:25] <nosrednaekim> is this the place where I would inquire about my atheros wireless failing in the latest kernel update?
[12:30] <rsferreira> Is there an easy way to disable dynticks? Gusty only boots on battery, not on ac power (on ac power it craches some seconds after gdm is loaded, unless acpi=off on kernel line). May this be related to dyntick?