[01:51] <darkxst> Noskcaj, oh you got an old version of the baobab patch, can you update your diff's with the patch from upstream bug
[04:45] <Noskcaj> ok
[14:31] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here familiar with /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 ?  I'm having trouble getting the agent to start up with a GTK based desktop ( Budgie ) - and my .xsession doesn't have any errors.
[15:03] <FunnyLookinHat> Scratch that - must've been something that needed updating... working now!
[22:45] <dz0ny> hi
[22:45] <dz0ny> is there gnome 3.16 ppa for vivid?
[23:04] <Noskcaj> dz0ny, yes
[23:04] <Noskcaj> ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging
[23:04] <Noskcaj> Use at your own risk
[23:29] <r_rios> Wait, was 3.16 released already?
[23:29] <Noskcaj> r_rios, no, but 3.15.91 is in the PPA
[23:29] <Noskcaj> It's a release candidate for 3.16, so it's mostly the same, but a bit more unstable
[23:30] <r_rios> Any idea of the release date?
[23:30] <Noskcaj> Also, since it's 3.15, many of the non-core apps will be on earlier release
[23:30] <Noskcaj> I'll check now
[23:32] <Noskcaj> r_rios, march 25th is the official release date
[23:33] <r_rios> Thx


[01:40] <Dsbeerf> Hello, someone can tell how i can change lubuntu runlevel so it boot in text console only and if i type startx it start lxde ?
[01:44] <Unit193> Won't set the same env vars if you use startx, but you can change /etc/default/grub adding 'text' to boot to a text console.
[01:45] <Dsbeerf> Well what you sugest a the best option ?
[01:46] <Unit193> At the console you can start lightdm, or you create a script to set the right vars perhaps.
[01:48] <Dsbeerf> Ok and there is a place that tell me what to do, to acheive that ?
[01:50] <Unit193> I'm not aware of any.  DESKTOP_SESSION is one that'd be good as it sets a few different paths.
[03:04] <tachibana> i love you lubuntu
[15:41] <sebastian_> is slackware lighter than lubuntu?
[15:42] <teward> and that's on topic how/
[15:43] <sebastian_> ok well where should I join to ask that question and get an answer?
[16:10] <SlidingHorn> sebastian_: maybe one of the offtopic channels?  #ubuntu-offtopic #lubuntu-offtopic  These channels are just for support requests :)
[16:17] <bioterror> sebastian_, slackware has i486
[16:17] <bioterror> sebastian_,  you could try SalixOS with your desired WM/DE
[16:18] <sebastian_> bioterror, i am running a 64 bit but I want to use the minimum amount of resources possible while still being able to watch youtube, avi, skype,etc
[16:19] <bioterror> lubuntu has wide ranger of different software ready packaged becouse of larger community, but otherwise you wont see much difference. apt-get / slapt-get and so on
[16:20] <bioterror> biggest difference is that slackware is still using BSD style init system
[17:17] <n-iCe> Hello guys
[17:17] <n-iCe> hi HairyFotr
[17:17] <SlidingHorn> hi, n-iCe - do you have a support question?
[17:18] <n-iCe> hello all
[17:18] <n-iCe> SlidingHorn: not really. I just Installed lubuntu and so far, I'm happy with it, so fast and smooth, at least in my i3 intel 8GB laptop.
[17:18] <n-iCe> SlidingHorn: thanks for asking though.
[17:18] <n-iCe> So I guess, we have a non support chat channel, right?
[17:18] <bioterror> yes
[17:18] <bioterror> #lubuntu-offtopic
[17:18] <SlidingHorn> Glad to hear it :)  If you'd like to just chat, try #lubuntu-offtopic
[17:28] <n-iCe> ok, I have a question
[17:28] <n-iCe> volume control settings, just sends me to a terminal, why
[17:28] <SlidingHorn> shoot
[17:29] <n-iCe> and can't find sound settings in system tools or preferences
[17:30] <SlidingHorn> !bug 1434774 | n-iCe sounds like this...
[17:32] <n-iCe> ok, installing pauvcontrol
[17:32] <n-iCe> weird, E: Unable to locate package pauvcontrol
[17:33] <wxl> !info pavucontrol | n-iCe
[17:34] <n-iCe> so they missspell it
[17:34] <n-iCe> installing, let's see if that helps, I want to select my hdmi monitor to sound, instead of the built in laptop speakers
[17:37] <n-iCe> ok, installed
[17:37] <n-iCe> but can't send my audio to the hdmi
[17:44] <n-iCe> yeah, can't do it
[17:50] <bioterror> n-iCe, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#Select_the_default_PCM_via_environment_variable
[18:30] <n-iCe> arch
[18:30] <n-iCe> ?
[20:25] <Lokie> how can I add stuff to the startup items?
[20:26] <SlidingHorn> Lokie: look at ~/.config/openbox/autostart
[20:26] <krytarik> - openbox
[20:27] <SlidingHorn> Lokie: be sure to place an & at the end of each command, so that it won't hang up
[20:33] <Lokie> what exactly am I looking for?
[20:33] <Lokie> couldn't find anything that seems to do with autostart
[20:35] <SlidingHorn> Lokie: here's mine as an example:  # first is a comment - it is disregarded by openbox.  after that, it's pretty self explanatory http://paste.ubuntu.com/13868805/
[20:36] <Lokie> so basically I throw "xscreensaver --nosplash" at the end of the rc ?
[20:37] <Lokie>  well with & at the end as you meantioned
[20:37] <Lokie> mentioned*
[20:38] <SlidingHorn> at the end of your autostart file
[20:39] <krytarik> Lokie: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Boot_Install_Login#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_into_Desktop
[20:40] <Lokie> thx I did it through gnome-session-properties
[20:42] <SlidingHorn> gnome?  Are you using lubuntu?
[20:47] <Lokie> yea in a weird way I guess. Only ubuntu 15.10 supported my notebooks gpu so I installed lubuntu-desktop on top
[20:47] <Lokie> ubuntu LTS / lubuntu LTS, 15.10 / xubuntu LTS, 15.10 / LXLE etc didn't work properly
[21:36] <Lokie> Power manager throws: gdbus.error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Permission denied when it tries to suspend after 30min of inactivity
[21:40] <Lokie> any ideas?
[21:49] <krytarik> Lokie: Does this, and the posted links, help?: https://askubuntu.com/questions/627356/xubuntu-15-04-cannot-suspend-when-inactive
[21:52] <Lokie> tried something that doubt will do anything but after will try it! thx
[22:23] <Lokie> ok did it hopefully it will work tomorrow, cheers krytarik again


[02:31] <Shadow> hello
[02:32] <Guest60567> i need help please
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> how can i change root pass on my nexus7 ubuntu touch?
[04:40] <orangey> hello all
[04:40] <orangey> can touch do docking yet?
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> orangey: not sure i just installed it on my nexus7
[04:50] <orangey> lotuspsychje: it seems to have fizzled after early 2013
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> orangey: whats fizzled mean?
[04:51] <orangey> lotuspsychje: didn't take off?
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> orangey: oh, well it seems to run pretty decent
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> orangey: but some stuff need little more developement
[04:52] <orangey> lotuspsychje: the docking?
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> orangey: no i mean touch on nexus
[04:52] <orangey> lotuspsychje: yes. I am referring to the docking feature
[04:52] <orangey> it was only really covered in early 2013
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> orangey: well im sure it all gonna get better right
[04:53] <orangey> lotuspsychje: At the moment, I'm interested in whether the feature is implemented and works.
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> orangey: when ubuntu will ship on that meizu and BQ phone, im sure more improvements will come
[04:54] <orangey> lotuspsychje: thank you for your input. However, like I said, I'm interested in a concrete answer at the moment, not platitudes. It sounds like you're not familiar with the feature, though.
[04:55] <Beldar> A multi OS cell phone with all being dockable desktops would be nice
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> Beldar: im only interested in ubuntu on tablets/phone
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> android is very leak
[04:56] <Beldar> I'm just thinking of the free market and what might sell, but I would be satisfied with a ubuntu cell/desktop
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> got my nexus7 running touch atm
[06:32] <dholbach> good morning
[07:14] <msvb-lab> dholbach: Good morning yes.
[07:14] <dholbach> hi msvb-lab
[08:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Cherish An Antique Day! :-D
[09:03] <vesar> hey I'm trying to install click package but facing some permission issues. Anybody able to help me out?
[09:03] <vesar> Cannot install /usr/com.ubuntu.developer.vesar.browser-g-test-on-the-phone_0.1_all.click: Cannot acquire permission to write to /opt/click.ubuntu.com; either run as root with --user, or use "pkcon install-local" instead
[09:07] <ogra_> vesar, so do what it tells you :)
[09:08] <vesar> ogra_, well that the message when my command is: sudo pkcon install-local com.ubuntu.developer.vesar.browser-g-test-on-the-phone_0.1_all.click
[09:10] <ogra_> vesar, why do you use sudo ?
[09:11] <vesar> ogra_, well just trying that after trying without. without it it gave me exactly the same result
[09:11] <ogra_> (read the error message again: "either run as root with --user" (i.e. if you use sudo) ... "or use "pkcon install-local" instead" (if you are the phablet user)
[09:12] <vesar> ogra_, sudo click install com.ubuntu.developer.vesar.browser-g-test-on-the-phone_0.1_all.click --user
[09:12] <vesar>  ?
[09:12] <ogra_> sudo -u phablet -i
[09:13] <ogra_> pkcon install-local ./com.ubuntu.developer.vesar.browser-g-test-on-the-phone_0.1_all.click
[09:14] <vesar> ogra_, ok thanks one step further. But still failing:
[09:14] <vesar> Installing files              [[09:14] <vesar> Fatal error: could not resolve: ./com.ubuntu.developer.vesar.browser-g-test-on-the-phone_0.1_all.click
[09:14] <vesar> ogra_, any suggestions?
[09:18] <ogra_> vesar, well, you need to point to the .click file with the path
[09:18] <ogra_> i was just assuming it is in ./
[10:00] <ogra_> sergiusens, argh
[10:00]  * ogra_ curses system-image-cli ...
[10:00] <sergiusens> ogra_: it's adb returning the new line
[10:00] <ogra_> it always appends ^M
[10:00] <ogra_> no, its system-image-cli ... no other command under adb does that
[10:01] <sergiusens> heh; darn then :-)
[10:01] <ogra_> fixing ... thats trivial ... but really annoying
[10:02] <Saviq> is phablet-screenshot from the SDK release ppa supposed to work?
[10:03] <ogra_> sergiusens, fix uploaded
[10:03] <ogra_> well ... committed
[10:03] <Saviq> sergiusens, can you comment on ↑?
[10:04] <sergiusens> Saviq: there's a phablet-tools in the sdk ppa?
[10:04] <Saviq> sergiusens, yeah...
[10:04]  * ogra_ has no clue how much the SDK ppa is in sync
[10:04] <ogra_> thats awful !
[10:04] <ogra_> does it differ from whats in the archive ?
[10:04] <Saviq> 1.0+14.04.20140122-0ubuntu1
[10:04] <sergiusens> ogra_: precise and saucy
[10:04] <Saviq> vs. 1.0+14.04.20140401-0ubuntu1
[10:05] <sergiusens> then no, it wouldn't work
[10:05] <ogra_> wow
[10:05] <sergiusens> that package looks old
[10:05] <ogra_> yeah
[10:05] <ogra_> thats really bad
[10:05]  * Saviq wonders who should update it there
[10:06] <ogra_> the sdk team i suppose
[10:06] <Saviq> ok /me goes there
[10:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:06] <ogra_> though i'm not sure it is a good idea to have it there at all
[10:06] <ogra_> especially if they dont update it for 3 months
[10:07] <ogra_> they need to commit to keep it in sync with the rest of the world or make people use the pahblet-team PPA
[10:08] <Saviq> ogra_, I agree
[10:08] <Saviq> ah there's a pt ppa? /me goes
[10:08] <Saviq> no p-tools there :/
[10:08] <ogra_> thats where phablet-tools for old releases lives
[10:08] <Saviq> ah tools
[10:08] <sergiusens> Saviq: ppa:phablet-team/tools
[10:08] <Saviq> looks better
[10:08] <Saviq> sergiusens, thanks!
[10:08] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/tools
[10:09] <ogra_> ah, i'm slow today :P
[10:09]  * sergiusens had to type less
[10:09] <ogra_> heh, true
[10:14] <ogra_> sergiusens, lol ...
[10:14] <sergiusens> what just happened?
[10:15] <Saviq> sergiusens, pfft! old tools in there as well!
[10:15] <ogra_> ..."My comment comes from the fact that a promoted image already has this issue;" ... how did i know that *someone* would bring that up if we let the issue sneal through to help people landing stuff
[10:15] <sergiusens> arg, the sync job must be failing....
[10:15] <ogra_> *sneak
[10:15] <sergiusens> ogra_: :-)
[10:15] <sergiusens> it's a valid point
[10:16] <ogra_> well, might be, but if thats a reason there wont be such lax promotions in the future anymore
[10:17] <ogra_> i think the Mir team is on it still btw
[10:17] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, but that's already in
[10:18] <ogra_> right, we wont let something like that in in the future anymore if that argument is considered valid ...
[10:18] <ogra_> but that means landers will suffer
[10:19] <ogra_> the issue has to be worked around or fixed before release in any case
[10:19] <ogra_> thats probably an argument you can make
[10:19] <sergiusens> Saviq: new tools batch should be published soon
[10:20] <ogra_> but "we have released one image with the issue, that validates to release more with it" isnt acceptable for something that was special cased explicitly for exactly one image
[10:20] <Saviq> sergiusens, thanks
[10:20] <ogra_> and only to make landers not go stuck
[10:21] <oSoMoN> didrocks, hey, my landing request at line 51 will be superseded by another upcoming one, is it safe to delete the row in the spreadsheet?
[10:22] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, I don't buy that; if a piece wants to land something and we knowingly promote it with issues; then from then on it shouldn't be treated as a regression
[10:23] <sergiusens> and the feel is much more if you use it as your personal phone ;-)
[10:23] <sergiusens> ONLY personal phone
[10:24] <ogra_> we shouldnt have released with it in the first place indeed ... but that was a special case where it blocked the world
[10:38] <didrocks> ogra_: was is assigned?
[10:38] <didrocks> oupss
[10:38] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ^
[10:38] <didrocks> oSoMoN: if it was assigned, you need to free up the silo with "only free silo"
[10:38] <didrocks> (then, you can delete the line)
[10:39] <oSoMoN> didrocks, there’s no silo assigned to it any longer
[10:39] <didrocks> oSoMoN: so yeah, feel free to delete!
[10:39] <oSoMoN> cool, thanks
[10:40] <t1mp> oSoMoN: hello
[10:40] <t1mp> oSoMoN: do you know how I can run the gallery-app autopilot tests on desktop?
[10:41] <t1mp> oSoMoN: I compiled the app and an run it, but when I run the AP tests, it doesn't know where to find the application and terminates all apps with RuntimeError: Unable to find package 'com.ubuntu.gallery' in the click manifest.
[10:41] <oSoMoN> t1mp, no idea, I haven’t run them in a good while, artmello or nerochiaro would know
[10:41] <t1mp> oSoMoN: ok, thanks
[10:44] <ogra_> sergiusens, FYI http://paste.ubuntu.com/7225667/ ... and the output is at http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-bootcharts/ (in case you want to compare with yours :) )
[10:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: if you already ran it, I'm fine; as it worked good except for the file naming
[10:45] <ogra_> yeah, i use it every day :) just the first time with your requested changes
[10:50] <ogra_> sergiusens, btw, i was wondering if there isnt a better way for phablet-network to determine the wlan name ... having to sudo is really bad
[10:51] <ogra_> (it forces me to run the bootchart script under sudo ... even though i hand over a file with network credentials)
[10:53] <popey> ogra_: iwconfig | grep ESSID | awk -F ":"  '{ print $2 }'
[10:53] <popey> ☻
[10:53] <ogra_> popey, yeah
[10:54] <ogra_> well, i think if i pass a credentials file it shouldnt even attempt to find an active network
[10:54] <ogra_> network_file=$(sudo grep "$network_active_uuid" $NETWORK_MANAGER/* | grep uuid | cut -d: -f1)
[10:54] <ogra_> thast the current code
[10:55] <ogra_> oh, that codepath isnt even used
[10:55] <ogra_> that one is
[10:55] <ogra_> sudo grep -v mac-address "$network_file" > $TMP_FILE
[10:56] <ogra_> hm, thats easy to fix i think
[10:59] <sergiusens> ogra_: nmcli can do it; but not grab the file
[11:00] <sergiusens> ogra_: which is why we sudo; to grab the file
[11:00] <sergiusens> which has the credentials
[11:00] <ogra_> sergiusens, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7225709/
[11:00] <ogra_> hmm, wahts wrong with my indendation
[11:01] <ogra_> we should only require sudo if the file isnt readable ...
[11:01] <ogra_> if i hand over the file i'm most likely able to read it ;)
[11:01] <sergiusens> ogra_: tabs
[11:01] <annerajb> morning
[11:01] <ogra_> yep, fixed
[11:01] <sergiusens> ogra_: right; I had to fix that fwiw
[11:01] <sergiusens> ogra_: propose it and it will land :-)
[11:02] <ogra_> sergiusens, will do ... that will make automated testing as non root possible ... at least for the bootcharts :)
[11:04] <annerajb> ogra_, I made some improvements to rootstock-ng-install how do i submit them to you?
[11:04] <annerajb> pastebin a diff?
[11:05] <ogra_> annerajb, push them to launchpad (you need a launchpad account for that) and then click "proposed for merge" in the UI after you pushed the branch
[11:05] <annerajb> ogra_, ok thanks.
[11:06] <ogra_> bzr commit -m'your change message'
[11:06] <ogra_> bzr push lp:~/project-rootstock-ng/my-changes
[11:06] <annerajb> thx
[11:06] <ogra_> thnen go to launchpad.net/~youraccount, click on code, select your branch and propose it :)
[11:10] <annerajb> ogra_, does this kernel cmdline look ok?
[11:10] <annerajb> console=ttyHSL0,115200,n8 androidboot.hardware=g2 user_debug=31 msm_rtb.filter=0x0 debug break=mountroot androidboot.emmc=true androidboot.serialno=xxxxx lge.signed_image=true androidboot.baseband=msm vmalloc=600m uart_console lge.rev=rev_10 lcd_maker_id=1 cont_splash_enabled=true gpt androidboot.mode lge.bootreason=0x0 lge.kcal lge.hreset=off androidboot.laf androidboot.dlcomplete=0 lge.bnr androidboot.lge.lcdbreak_mode maxcpus=4 usb.diag_enable
[11:10] <annerajb> =false model.name=LG-LS980
[11:11] <ogra_> annerajb, yep
[11:11] <annerajb> ogra_, the console does not have to be at the end with the other tty1 set?
[11:12] <ogra_> if it boots :)
[11:12] <ogra_> if it doesnt shuffling a second console= at the end can help
[11:16] <annerajb> if hangs on the lg logo i put a break=bottom and now I am trying a break=init. The Break botttom I could join with ADB and look around the FS and the dmesg and everything looked good.
[11:17] <ogra_> right, break=init wont work ... adbd cant start at that point
[11:17] <annerajb> you guys should remove that from there -_-
[11:17] <ogra_> try editing /etc/init/adbd-emergency-shell.conf
[11:18] <ogra_> make: start on stopped lxc-android-config RESULT=failed
[11:18] <ogra_> to be: start on startup
[11:18] <ogra_> that should force an adb shell in any case if you make it past /sbin/init
[11:20] <annerajb> ok ogra_ sent you the merge request for the rootstock-ng
[11:22] <ogra_> sergiusens, https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/phablet-tools/no-sudo-in-phablet-network/+merge/214921
[11:26] <annerajb> ogra_, how can I change that /etc/init file if I can't adb to the booted os
[11:26] <ogra_> from recovery
[11:26] <ogra_> mount /data/system.img /mnt
[11:27] <ogra_> then mkdir /mnt/android/system/bin
[11:27] <ogra_> cp /system/sbin/sh /mnt/android/system/bin/
[11:27] <ogra_> chroot /mnt
[11:27] <ogra_> or better
[11:27] <ogra_> chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[11:27] <ogra_> make your edits ...
[11:28] <ogra_> rm -rf /mnt/android/system
[11:28] <ogra_> umount /mnt
[11:36] <annerajb> this sucks my phone has no flashboot (or it dosnt work) so flashing this boot.img requires me to restore my backup and use the flashify app
[11:36] <ogra_> annerajb, argh, i just noticed your change requires expect to be installed
[11:36] <annerajb> yup
[11:36] <ogra_> can you please add a chekc for that ... thats not normally installed
[11:37] <annerajb> sure
[11:42] <annerajb> ogra_, i push a new branch but I am not sure if you have to update the review or if it does so automatically
[11:42] <ogra_> it all goes automatically
[11:42] <annerajb> ok
[11:42] <ogra_> you just have to bzr commit and bzr push
[11:42] <ogra_> (to the same branch)
[11:43] <annerajb> Oo that's cool
[11:44] <ogra_> sorry btw, i made a bit of a mess with the "needs fixing"
[11:44] <ogra_> you likely got a bunch of pointless mails
[11:47] <annerajb> ogra_, it's ok
[11:47] <ogra_> sergiusens, so tony mailed me tht he wants the bluetooth and hfp plugins dropped from the ofono upstart job ... do you think i should push that into the PPA (read: will it still take longer that it is worth it) or should i just do an upload right after you released the silo
[12:02] <sergiusens> ogra_: well mandel still needs to push fixes; so I I guess we can do that now
[12:03] <mandel> sergiusens, what?
[12:03] <mandel> sergiusens, what fixes?
[12:03] <ogra_> sergiusens, see the other chan.
[12:03] <ogra_> :)
[12:03] <mandel> sergiusens, I pushed the fix for arm64 build but that is all AFAIK
[12:03] <sergiusens> mandel: oh, I read that it worked for amr64 but missing other arches
[12:03] <mandel> sergiusens, no no, other way around :)
[12:03] <sergiusens> ok
[12:04] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'm fine either way; and I am in no rush
[12:04] <ogra_> i just dont want to hold up the landing or trigger re-testing
[12:04] <sergiusens> ogra_: right; true that
[12:04] <sergiusens> ogra_: then let's do it separately
[12:04] <ogra_> yeah
[12:04] <ogra_> (unless it would taint the testing indeed)
[12:05] <sergiusens> ogra_: fwiw, I still need to test with the new udm; but since nuntium isn't in or seeded we can deal with that separately
[12:06] <sergiusens> ogra_: tbh I just want my stuff merged; having a lot of issues keeping track of my MRs :-)
[12:06] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[12:06] <ogra_> ask me with all my debs :P
[12:06] <ogra_> (and people randomly uploading them while they are in silos)
[12:09] <sergiusens> mandel: ogra_fwiw; the build is still red for u-d-m https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-019-1-build/12/console
[12:09] <sergiusens> do I need to rebuild?
[12:09] <sergiusens> and if unity-scope-click needs a rebuild, do we need to push it there as well?
[12:10] <mandel> sergiusens, I though it was ok, is arm64 the only missing one, correct? https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-019/+packages
[12:10] <mandel> sergiusens, that would be ideal, but if we do that I'll add a branch on top of the one I gave you so that we also land a fix they needed
[12:10] <sergiusens> mandel: yeah, arm64 is the only missing one
[12:12] <mandel> sergiusens, so, we can add unity-click-scope to be rebuilded with udm  and use lp:~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/all-downloads-client from udm instead
[12:12] <mandel> sergiusens, that way we have mms and we do not break click-scope
[12:13] <mandel> sergiusens, I'll create a rebuild branch with no changes to the click scope, sounds good?
[12:13] <sergiusens> mandel: yeah
[12:17] <mandel> sergiusens, here it is lp:~mandel/unity-scope-click/rebuild-with-udm
[12:17] <sergiusens> mandel: I'm lazy, give me the MR!
[12:18] <mandel> sergiusens, mr for unity-click-scope => https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/unity-scope-click/rebuild-with-udm/+merge/214935
[12:18] <mandel> sergiusens, mr for udm => https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/all-downloads-client/+merge/207490
[12:45] <annerajb> ogra_,  there is no adbd-emergency-shell.conf in /etc/init
[12:45] <ogra_> then your rootfs is to old
[12:45] <annerajb> i got it 2 days ago afaik
[12:45] <annerajb> if not 4 days
[12:50] <annerajb> ogra_, this are not the latest???? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[12:51] <annerajb> it says march 20 your change was done on april 4
[12:51] <annerajb> where can i find the latest rootfs images
[12:51] <ogra_> annerajb, no, you want pending
[12:51] <annerajb> k
[12:51] <ogra_> pending is the latest build ... current is the last blessed build
[12:52] <annerajb> ima start getting ready for work. while the image downloads hopefully the adbd-emergency-shell.conf gives me a adb
[12:55] <ogra_> yeah, else there are issues with /sbin/init  ... makes it harder for sure
[13:07] <annerajb> ogra_, i have a question that /etc/init/adbd-emergency-shell.conf resides inside the system.img or the rootfs??
[13:08] <ogra_> thats the same :)
[13:08] <ogra_> the system.img you have in /data is the rootfs
[13:09] <annerajb> oh so the system.img from the build for my device that's 100mb get's expanded and the rootfs copied into it?
[13:09] <ogra_> inside that system.img there is another one in /var/lib/lxc/android ... thats your android system.img
[13:09] <annerajb> ahh ok
[13:09]  * ogra_ bets someone will show up at stgraber's house one day for picking system.img as name for nboth images :P
[13:10] <annerajb> lol
[13:13] <dobey> dpm_, mhr3: can you both please re-review https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/unity-scope-click/translated/+merge/214182 ? thanks.
[13:14] <mhr3> dobey, sorry, what was the conclusion from the discussion with seb yesterday?
[13:16] <dobey> mhr3: that this works acceptably well
[13:17] <mhr3> dobey, and were you able to try it with some dummy translations?
[13:18] <dobey> mhr3: i made a fake en_GB.po to test building with, and it build the .gmo just fine, yes
[13:20] <mhr3> dobey, did it display the translated strings anywhere?
[13:22] <dobey> mhr3: i didn't install it and check that, but gettext is pretty well tested and we are calling the correct code for it to work, so i don't see why it wouldn't (other than there not being a translation in the user's language)
[13:23] <mhr3> install dir reference being incorrect or something
[13:25] <dpm_> dobey, done
[13:25] <mhall119> kenvandine: do we have any documentation on how to wire up UriHandler in an app so that it will be called by the platform?
[13:25] <mhall119> all I can find is http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/Ubuntu.Components.UriHandler/
[13:25] <dobey> mhr3: you'd have to override the cmake variables, with different ones in the po/ dir and the scope/ dir when installing, to make that happen; but then that's on you, not the code :)
[13:26] <dobey> dpm_: thanks
[13:27] <kenvandine> mhall119, one sec
[13:28] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/URLDispatcher
[13:28] <kenvandine> mhall119,  ^^
[13:29] <mhall119> kenvandine: why is this on the wiki and not in the UITK docs?
[13:29] <kenvandine> mhall119, that isn't part of the sdk
[13:29] <kenvandine> not sure where it would go
[13:30] <mhall119> it's part of the SDK, definitely, maybe not part of the UI Toolkit though
[13:30] <kenvandine> tedg created the wiki page recently
[13:30] <mhr3> dobey, so theoretically it works, practically... we'll see? :)
[13:30] <kenvandine> before that there was nothing :)
[13:31] <kenvandine> tedg, ^^ maybe you should get that published somewhere else
[13:31] <mhall119> tedg: can I put that content onto developer.ubuntu.com
[13:31] <mhall119> ?
[13:34] <tedg> mhall119, Sorry, missing part of the backlog, are you guys talking about URL dispatcher?
[13:34] <mhall119> tedg: yes, and the wiki page about how to use it
[13:35] <tedg> mhall119, I don't care *where* it is, it's just easier to write wiki pages :-)
[13:35] <tedg> mhall119, How does one update dev.u.c ?
[13:36] <mhall119> tedg: I can give you access to it, or you can ping dpm or myself
[13:37] <tedg> mhall119, Oh, I thought it was built from the packages somehow.
[13:37] <tedg> mhall119, Do you need me to reformat?
[13:37] <mhall119> tedg: the stuff in /api/ is
[13:38] <mhall119> tedg: I've got it
[13:38] <tedg> Cool, the only big change I expect is to drop those temporary URLs at some point, but most devs don't care.
[13:40] <dobey> mhr3: it works unless intentionally broken. we're passing the install dir into bindtextdomain()
[13:40] <mhall119> tedg: kenvandine: it's now linked from http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/platform/guides/
[13:40] <mhall119> so it's discoverable
[13:41] <tedg> mhall119, Could we please have URL dispatcher above Content Hub in the listing. It is clearly more important.
[13:41]  * kenvandine smacks tedg
[13:41] <tedg> As a rule, if kenvandine does it, bottom of the list.
[13:42] <mhall119> tedg: I ask him for far too many favors to do that :)
[13:42] <kenvandine> :-D
[13:43] <tedg> mhall119, I'd be more worried about him living within a day's drive ;-)
[13:43] <mhr3> dobey, fine, do you want to land that branch?
[13:43] <mhall119> it'd be a long day
[13:44]  * mhall119 has driven that
[13:44] <dobey> mhr3: yes
[13:44] <mhr3> dobey, k, any others?
[13:45] <stgraber> ogra_: well, they are both system partitions :)
[13:45] <stgraber> ogra_: besides /userdata/system.img was meant to be a temporary solution until slangasek would implement the resizing code
[13:45] <ogra_> ah, right
[13:45] <dobey> mhr3: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/unity-scope-click/remove-dead-code/+merge/214831 can land as well
[13:46] <ogra_> slangasek, land it !
[13:46] <ogra_> :P
[13:47] <alecu> dobey: if I can have your re-review on this other branch, we may ask mhr3 to include it too: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/unity-scope-click/desktop-apps-toggle/+merge/214833
[13:49] <mhr3> i sooo wish we didn't have to use desktop files
[13:50] <dobey> alecu: +1
[13:52] <alecu> dobey: thanks
[13:53] <alecu> mhr3: can we include it too?
[13:53] <mhr3> sure
[13:54] <dobey> mhr3: can i set my branch to top approved?
[14:01] <mhr3> dobey, sure, udm guys block click though, can't build it now
[14:02] <alecu> yes, click-scope is being rebuilt because udm is adding methods to its api
[14:03] <dobey> ugh
[14:03] <dobey> well i wonder if the branch we *need* is in the u-d-m landing
[14:03] <dobey> ie, this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/all-downloads-client/+merge/207490
[14:03] <dobey> mandel: ^^ did you get that one in the silo?
[14:04] <mandel> dobey, yes, that is why the click-scope is being rebuilt :)
[14:04] <dobey> good
[14:04] <dobey> then we can finally fix that bug after it lands
[14:04] <mandel> dobey, exactly
[14:12] <annerajb> ogra_, the command you gave me for the chroot on data does not export all the bin commands and such
[14:12] <annerajb> sorry ls commands
[14:12] <ogra_> right, it has no path set
[14:12] <annerajb> ill just edit it without chroot
[14:13] <ogra_> if you manage :)
[14:13] <ogra_> iirc we dont have an editor in the recovery
[14:13] <annerajb> we dont
[14:13] <annerajb> so ill have to pull
[14:13] <ogra_> ah
[14:13] <annerajb> and push the edited file
[14:13] <ogra_> you edit externally, ok
[14:13] <annerajb> i could use a sed inside the recovery but is faster
[14:14] <gatox> hi, is there anyone here that can help me with some issues that i'm having with the sdk?
[14:15] <annerajb> ogra_, why do i have to rm -rf /mnt/android/system
[14:15] <ogra_> annerajb, to not leave the dir you cretaed around
[14:16] <ogra_> *created
[14:16] <annerajb> nvm i did not create the directory since i pulled the file out of the device
[14:16] <ogra_> the initrd mounts /system there
[14:16] <ogra_> right
[14:16] <ogra_> you dont need any of my commands above if you pull/push
[14:16] <ogra_> just the mount/umount
[14:17] <annerajb> ogra_, didnt work still stuck at the lg logo
[14:17] <annerajb> changed the adb thing from start on stopped to start on startup
[14:17] <ogra_> i wouldnt have expected it to change anything but to offer you adb
[14:17] <annerajb> right no adb
[14:17] <ogra_> try "start on started mountall"
[14:17] <annerajb> k
[14:18] <ogra_> you didnt manage to enable last_kmsg yet ?
[14:18] <annerajb> nope
[14:18] <ogra_> if the adb hack doesnt work, i fear you have to
[14:18] <annerajb> k bbl need to do a errand
[14:47] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, are animated gifs supposed to work in oxide already ?
[14:48]  * ogra_ notes that he can play youtube videos in the G+ app on the phone, but naimated gifs arent playing
[14:48] <ogra_> *animated
[14:59] <kenvandine> tedg, if upstart-app-launch starts an app but it doesn't get focused, should i file that bug against ual, unity8 or mir?
[15:00] <doanac> ogra_: phablet-bootchart is cool. i found a small bug. you must be running ./phablet-bootchart. line 5 needs $(basename $0) so you'll create a proper TMPDIR
[15:01] <tedg> kenvandine, File all the bugs against unity! ;-)
[15:01] <tedg> kenvandine, You can use upstart-app-watch to see if the focused signal is sent
[15:01] <tedg> kenvandine, But it's probably Unity, we're pretty simple in that regard.
[15:01] <ogra_> doanac, oops ... indeed, thanks !
[15:05] <cwayne> mterry, pingaling
[15:06] <mterry> cwayne, pongalong
[15:06] <cwayne> mterry, just curious -- has there been any design for edge hints or some sort of improved UX for the lockscreen?
[15:07] <mterry> cwayne, for lockscreen or greeter?
[15:07] <mterry> cwayne, i.e. for the bits where we ask for pin/password or just the greeter in general?
[15:08] <cwayne> mterry, i guess more the greeter
[15:09] <mterry> cwayne, there was a small UX bundle of fixes, but it hasn't landed yet.  https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/greeter-ux-fixes/+merge/210042
[15:09] <mterry> cwayne, didn't affect edge hints though
[15:10] <kenvandine> tedg, bug 1305128 in case you have any insight
[15:10] <kenvandine> bfiller, ^^
[15:10] <bfiller> kenvandine: thanks
[15:11] <bfiller> Elleo: ^^^
[15:11] <Elleo> cool
[15:11] <bfiller> Saviq, tedg : can you guys take a look at this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1305128, somewhat critical I'd say
[15:12] <tedg> Guessing that it's a greyback thing?
[15:12] <cwayne> mterry, ah, that;d be awesome. expected to land soon?
[15:12] <mterry> cwayne, I hope...
[15:12] <kenvandine> Saviq, i reproduced that 4 out of 5 tries using those steps in the bug, so maybe it's a race?
[15:13] <kenvandine> or greyback ^^
[15:13] <cwayne> mterry, cool beans. let me know if there's anything I can do to help get it landed sooner (helping testing, etc)
[15:13] <artmello> hi guys, just flashed image 283 on my nexus 10 and my /home/phablet is empty. Anyone had the same problem? Or knows some workaround?
[15:14] <Saviq> bfiller, we will
[15:14] <Saviq> kenvandine, ↑
[15:14] <kenvandine> Saviq, thx
[15:14] <bfiller> Saviq: thanks
[15:14] <greyback> will get to it asap
[15:39] <AskUbuntu> Will Ubuntu Touch support a range of Bq Aquaris phones, especially the 5.7inch model? | http://askubuntu.com/q/445509
[15:50] <ogra_> doanac, fyi https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/phablet-tools/fix-bootchart-tmpdir-creation/+merge/214980
[15:52] <doanac> ogra_: thanks! i gave it my +1
[15:52] <ogra_> great
[15:53] <ogra_> doanac, so i get it you are already working in integration ?
[15:54] <ogra_> (because that was my next TODO ... getting in touch with you guys and get a daily test running)
[15:54] <doanac> ogra_: i thought i'd start toying with it. i need to loop in plars also, but shouldn't be too hard
[15:54] <ogra_> cool
[15:55] <ogra_> ping me if you need anything
[15:55] <plars> doanac, ogra_: yeah, I saw that this morning, I think we should be able to add it as a test that gets run in parallel
[15:55] <doanac> ogra_: i'd like to see if i can do it smart enough so it can show up here: http://ci.ubuntu.com/bootspeed/arch/amd64/
[15:55] <ogra_> yeah that would be cool
[15:56] <ogra_> doanac, hmm, is there a way to see an actual bootchart too ?
[15:56] <ogra_> ah, got it
[15:56] <ogra_> nevermind
[15:57] <ogra_> woah ! the desktop takes 41sec ?!?
[16:39] <aru_> Is there any development happening to port to Hp touchpad or Pre3?
[16:41] <ogra_> !devices
[16:41] <ogra_> aru_, check that wikipage
[16:47] <aru_> ogra_, Thanx
[16:52] <gtrmtx> ubuntu touch on a note 3? anyone know how to get it?
[16:58] <morphis> rsalveti: while working with qtmultimedia and your port to gstreamer 1.0 do you ever saw errors like:
[16:58] <morphis> Assertion 'pthread_mutex_unlock(&m->mutex) == 0' failed at pulsecore/mutex-posix.c:108, function pa_mutex_unlock(). Aborting.
[17:04] <annerajb> ogra_, is this the line you told me to try out? 'start on started mountall RESULT=failed'
[17:13] <annerajb> ogra_, this is how the whole file looks http://paste.ubuntu.com/7227160/
[17:45] <ogra_> annerajb, no, just "start on started mountall" ... you can also try "starting" if "started" does not work
[17:45] <ogra_> if neither works at all, i fear you are actually hanging at the switch to /sbin/init
[17:58] <annerajb> ogra_, no luck with starting instead of started
[17:58] <b8e5n> can someone help me a bit on the porting
[17:58] <b8e5n> ?
[17:58] <ogra_> well, then i fear you wont get around getting last_kmsg to work
[18:00] <b8e5n> I'm a bit confused with the guide... I remember the fist one was clearer (well I think)
[18:01] <ogra_> yeah, and the one we have is not really up to date, there was a discussion about the android bits on the mailing list recently
[18:01] <annerajb> ogra_, apparently is enabled
[18:01] <ogra_> annerajb, well, then it should contain *something* in recovery :)
[18:01] <annerajb> ogra_, the thing is that I believe my device shutdowns to get into recovery clearing the last_kmsg
[18:01] <annerajb> since the button sequence is the turnoff button and it seems to reboot
[18:02] <b8e5n> Do I actually have to boostrap? because it says eventually...
[18:03] <ogra_> well, for me it usually works with a hard reset (holding power, making sure i hole the vol button before it starts up again) ... but thats indeed on nexus devices
[18:03] <ogra_> b8e5n, you need the aosp tree from phablet.ubuntu.com
[18:03] <ogra_> then you need to merge your hardware support into that and build
[18:04] <b8e5n> ogra, ok but I thought there were using CM...
[18:04] <ogra_> the general process was always the same ... the unerlying tree has changed though and details how to get your HW support in will be different
[18:04] <annerajb> b8e5n, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AndroidAOSPPorting#preview
[18:04] <ogra_> we switched to AOSP kitkat a while ago
[18:05] <b8e5n> ok, good to know, thx
[18:05] <annerajb> ogra_, is there a way to make init write to a file somewhere?
[18:05] <ogra_> there is a strong desire to get the porting guide fixed, but we all dont have spare time to do it atm
[18:06] <ogra_> annerajb, not easily ... if you could do that you could as well start adb :)
[18:06] <annerajb> what could cause init to not work??
[18:06] <ogra_> well, console= is a typical candidate ... but usually that gets you a reliable reboot loop ... so it is easy to spot
[18:07] <ogra_> i assume something actually hangs when switching to init or right after that
[18:07] <ogra_> and the only reliable log you can get at that point is dmesg ...
[18:07] <annerajb> i really miss the serial usb cable :(
[18:07] <ogra_> (which is the same as kmsg ... )
[18:08] <ogra_> well, if you can get serial to work on your device that would indeed work as well
[18:08] <ogra_> (i.e. i know there is a cable hack you can do for the nexus 4)
[18:09] <annerajb> i did it on the samsung device i was porting and looking at the kernel code there are some source file talking about resistance bvalues for the cable
[18:09] <annerajb> but it has no pinouts or which reistance is for serial
[18:10] <ogra_> well, there must be a way to get kmsg logging to work with your kernel
[18:10] <ogra_> even LG engineers need to debug sometimes :P
[18:10] <ogra_> (or your bootloader ... if thats the issue)
[18:12] <annerajb> ogra_, i can try printing it on the framebuffer
[18:12] <ogra_> ah, your framebuffer console is on ?
[18:12] <annerajb> not sure
[18:13] <ogra_> well, do you see scrolling text on boot =
[18:13] <ogra_> ?
[18:13] <annerajb> no
[18:13] <annerajb> and CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER is off
[18:13] <ogra_> right
[18:13] <annerajb> ogra_, can you get me the kernel command line for a lge kernel of one of the supported devices??
[18:14] <ogra_> your graphics driver will likely also not get along with it
[18:14] <ogra_> i can get you one from a nexus4
[18:14] <ogra_> console=ttyHSL0,115200,n8 androidboot.hardware=mako lpj=67677 user_debug=31 uart_console=enable lcd_maker_id=primary lge.hreset=off lge.reset=mode_reset gpt=enable lge.kcal=0|0|0|x lge.rev=rev_11 mdm_force_dump_enabled androidboot.emmc=true androidboot.serialno=0079a79f1857654a androidboot.bootloader=MAKOZ10o androidboot.baseband=mdm bootreason=reboot
[18:16] <ogra_> (we dont modify the android one)
[18:18] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, did you get my earlier ping ? ... are there plans to support animated gif in oxide ? (they dont wrok in the G+ app on the phone atm)
[18:18] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, if it works in chromium, it should work in oxide
[18:20] <ogra_> hmm, not sure ...
[18:20] <ogra_> on the desktop i use FF ... and on android i use the app ... no idea if that uses chromium anywhere to display the content
[18:22] <ogra_> aha
[18:22] <ogra_> in the browser i get the embedded mediaplayer for animated gifs
[18:22] <ogra_> doesnt seem to work in the webapps-container
[18:23] <ogra_> ah, no, that was site specific ... was their player
[18:24] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, bah, ignore me ... seems it works in the G+ app as well in the latest image :P
[18:24] <ogra_> (it didnt work yesterday, i swear !!)
[18:29] <b8e5n> I am trying to build a non supported device, so I cannot run the breakfast. So I should prepare the xml first?
[18:40] <janimo> ogra_, do you know why we need swap on the phone?
[18:40] <janimo> I mean why do we not try to avoid it altogether
[18:41] <ogra_> janimo, there is still code missing in the lifecycle handling afaik
[18:41] <ogra_> once thats there we will drop swap
[18:44] <b8e5n> janimo, can't you just swapoff ??
[18:46] <ogra_> you can even remove the swapfile... the prob is that apps will die earlier etc
[18:52] <b8e5n> orga, which branch of aosp should I choose?
[18:53] <janimo> ogra_, so code missing in lifecycle handling meaning memory leaks, or wasteful use of resources?
[18:59] <annerajb> b8e5n, there is no breakfast anymore
[18:59] <annerajb> b8e5n, the branch should be this one. repo init -u https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/p/aosp/platform/manifest.git -b phablet-4.4.2_r1
[19:00] <b8e5n> ok...  then I should wait for the next version of the porting tutorial...
[19:00] <annerajb> b8e5n, you can start now without the porting tutorial
[19:00] <annerajb> b8e5n, what I linked earlier contains what's missing of the tutorial
[19:00] <b8e5n> ok, it returns me this now:
[19:00] <b8e5n> error: manifest required for this command -- please run init
[19:01] <b8e5n> don;t get it it's an init command...
[19:01] <annerajb> b8e5n, what are you typing in the console?
[19:02] <b8e5n> repo init -u, etc...
[19:02] <b8e5n> I am in a forlder created for the phablet
[19:02] <annerajb> weird.
[19:02] <b8e5n> wait, let me clear the folder
[19:03] <annerajb> what are you passing after the -u?
[19:03] <b8e5n> the https link, just copy pasted ^^
[19:03] <b8e5n> and of course the -b and the branch name
[19:10] <annerajb> weird
[19:10] <annerajb> it worked fine for me
[19:11] <annerajb> b8e5n, read this http://vanuitert.org/wordpress/source-code/repo-init-error/
[19:11] <annerajb> apparently there is a .repo somewhere and that is messing up the repo command
[19:12] <b8e5n> I ran rm -rf ./*
[19:12] <annerajb> if there is a .repo on a directory up apparently it can mess it up too
[19:13] <b8e5n> annerajb, yeah, it did not remove it ^^
[19:14] <b8e5n> I assumed it did... aparently * does not count for hidden folders...
[19:23] <slangasek> rsalveti: do you have anything preliminary for me to look at wrt qt+gles?  Is there a pending MP or staged commit on the packaging branch?
[19:45] <rsalveti> morphis: hm, no, this is an issue with the pulseaudio side, weird
[19:45] <rsalveti> probably not even related with the changes we did
[19:45] <rsalveti> slangasek: will get a few debdiffs for you, give me a few minutes
[19:45] <rsalveti> many things in parallel :-)
[19:46] <slangasek> yep :)
[20:25] <robotfuel> who do I ping to get this merged in to phablet-tools? https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.gagnon/phablet-tools/fix_1289525
[20:27] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, ^^
[21:05] <morphis> rsalveti: it seems to be eglibc related
[21:06] <rsalveti> that's annoying
[21:09] <morphis> rsalveti: http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-core/2013-August/083173.html
[21:10] <rsalveti> wonder why we never had this issue before
[21:33] <robotfuel> who is a good person to ask for platform-api merge proposal reviews? -> https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.gagnon/platform-api/check-sensor-tests-for-devices/+merge/214972
[21:38] <rsalveti> robotfuel: ping ricmm (guess it's already eod for him today)
[21:39] <rsalveti> but from a quick look, please add the copyright header at the new files
[21:39] <robotfuel> rsalveti: thanks
[21:41] <thomi> tedg: what's with libUAL having 'observer_add_app_started' but then 'obsever_add_app_stop'
[21:41] <thomi> should be 'stopped', right?
[21:42] <tedg> thomi, yeah, historical reasons.


[03:35] <OerHeks> pancakes ♬
[03:36] <daftykins> :O
[03:36] <daftykins> yes please!
[03:38] <Bashing-om> Oh Shiskabob ..


[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[08:09] <xnox> Laney: it should. Will poke it for both db's
[08:09] <Laney> xnox: ta, see emails
[08:09] <Laney> I'll turn down his request to become a comaintainer though :P
[08:12] <xnox> Laney: there are emails =) interesting... i'm still going through irc highlights.
[08:13] <Laney> xnox: yes, you too could join the Debian Berkeley DB Group for the low low cost of $9.95 + tax + shipping!
[08:14] <xnox> Laney: I love when shipping is done "electronic ticket delivery via email" yet they still charge me shipping !  Also you were a DD way before me, I wonder how I didn't recall that detail.
[08:24] <Laney> you don't hang around haskell, mono or gnome enough :-)
[08:27] <Laney> not that I'm /massively/ active in any of those


[16:48] <papertigers> anyone know how to properly link against libcurl in 16.04
[16:48] <papertigers> curl-config --libs says to use "-L/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu -lcurl"  but the linker still cant find the symbols


[02:32] <archetech2> 14.10 plasma next 5.2  is nice  upgrade works from 5.1 :)
[04:53] <valorie> shoot, I should have checked the version
[04:54] <valorie> before it crashed again....
[05:21] <SpicyShibe> Hmm kubuntu seems to overwrite ipv6 addresses instead of just adding the new ones. My openwrt router gives a local network fd*::* and a global. the local network address keeps overwriting the global address. Is there a simple way around this?
[06:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:36] <libreSSL> hi lordievader
[06:39] <lordievader> Hey libreSSL
[06:39] <libreSSL> lordievader: so I removed radeon from blacklist.conf
[06:39] <libreSSL> anything else I should do?
[06:39] <lordievader> Is libreSSL theFakeAzine by any chance?
[06:39] <libreSSL> yes
[06:39] <libreSSL> huh wait
[06:39] <libreSSL> # This file was installed by fglrx # Do not edit this file manually blacklist radeon alias fglrx fglrx alias radeon off alias lbm-radeon off
[06:40] <libreSSL> fglrx.conf
[06:40] <libreSSL> did I double blacklist a module?
[06:40] <lordievader> # This file was installed by fglrx #, no
[06:40] <lordievader> libreSSL: Did you remove your change tough?
[06:40] <libreSSL> yes
[06:41] <lordievader> libreSSL: And you rebooted?
[06:41] <libreSSL> er, not yet
[06:44] <lordievader> libreSSL: Then please reboot ;)
[06:44] <libreSSL> ok, should I boot into the default option, or ubuntu linux-generic-blah-versionnumber
[06:45] <lordievader> The latest non-recovery kernel.
[06:45] <lordievader> !info trusty
[06:45] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic
[06:46] <lordievader> <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:46] <libreSSL> I use the canonical-kernel ppa
[06:46] <libreSSL> cmd: Linux DSI-NB1 3.13.0-37-generic #64-Ubuntu SMP Mon Sep 22 21:28:38 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:46] <lordievader> Err, what?
[06:47] <libreSSL> canonical-kernel-team-ppa-trusty.list
[06:47] <lordievader> Why?
[06:47] <libreSSL> So I have a newer kernel without building my own
[06:48] <valorie> why do you want a newer kernel?
[06:48] <lordievader> "It IS NOT RECOMMENDED that you subscribe to this PPA." 3rd party kernels are not supported.
[06:48] <lordievader> libreSSL: Please revert that change.
[06:48] <libreSSL> :c fine
[06:48] <libreSSL> how to safely purge the ppa
[06:49] <lordievader> libreSSL: sudo ppa-purge ppa:canonical-kernel-team/ppa
[06:49] <lordievader> libreSSL: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-generic
[06:49] <lordievader> libreSSL: sudo update-grub2
[06:50] <libreSSL> alright, doing that
[06:50] <valorie> btw you'll have to install ppa-purge if you don't already have it
[06:50] <libreSSL> I installed it from the xorg-edgers ppa
[06:51] <lordievader> ...
[06:51]  * lordievader facepalms
[06:51] <valorie> libreSSL: you might enjoy arch more than kubuntu
[06:52] <lordievader> Gentoo!!!
[06:52] <valorie> if you like breaking your system
[06:52] <libreSSL> >install gentoo
[06:52] <libreSSL> google-chrome-beta.list google-chrome-beta.list.save jon-severinsson-ffmpeg-trusty.list jon-severinsson-ffmpeg-trusty.list.save kubuntu-ppa-backports-trusty.list kubuntu-ppa-backports-trusty.list.save kubuntu-ppa-ppa-trusty.list kubuntu-ppa-ppa-trusty.list.save mc3man-trusty-media-trusty.list mc3man-trusty-media-trusty.list.save nilarimogard-webupd8-trusty.list nilarimogard-webupd8-trusty.list.save noobslab-apps-trusty.list noobslab-apps-trusty.
[06:52] <libreSSL> list.save nowrep-qupzilla-trusty.list ubuntu-wine-ppa-trusty.list ubuntu-wine-ppa-trusty.list.save videolan-stable-daily-trusty.list videolan-stable-daily-trusty.list.save vokoscreen-dev-vokoscreen-trusty.list vokoscreen-dev-vokoscreen-trusty.list.save webupd8team-java-trusty.list webupd8team-java-trusty.list.save webupd8team-umplayer-trusty.list webupd8team-umplayer-trusty.list.save xorg-edgers-ppa-trusty.list xorg-edgers-ppa-trusty.list.save
[06:52] <valorie> lordievader: he doesn't like building stuff
[06:52] <libreSSL> perhaps
[06:52] <lordievader> O wow...
[06:52] <valorie> omg
[06:52] <lordievader> libreSSL: You do know ppa's are not supported?
[06:53] <libreSSL> y-yes...
[06:53] <libreSSL> actually I don't need a few of these ppas...
[06:53] <lordievader> valorie: Distcc is great for that. Though I should set up a bin host once.
[06:54] <valorie> more like ANY of them except kubuntu-ppa*
[06:55] <libreSSL> not even KDE ppas?
[06:55] <lordievader> valorie: That one is supported?
[06:56] <valorie> yes, kubuntu-ppa is for devel distributed stuff
[06:56] <valorie> backports, updates, etc.
[06:56] <valorie> not all of them, of course
[06:56] <libreSSL> actually my system didn't break for a record time this install
[06:56] <valorie> proposed, etc. are dangerous
[06:57] <libreSSL> like, despite my many PPAs, the only problem was with the driver thing
[06:57] <libreSSL> like, last year
[06:57] <libreSSL> I'd have reinstalled 20+ times by this point
[06:58] <lordievader> libreSSL: Seeing your list of ppa's I'm not surprised.
[06:58] <libreSSL> last year >.<
[06:59] <libreSSL> valorie: what about the wine ppa though
[06:59] <valorie> is that the only way to install wine?
[06:59] <lordievader> !info wine
[06:59] <valorie> I've not had it installed for over a decade
[07:00] <valorie> so it's packaged, and in universe
[07:00] <libreSSL> huh
[07:00] <valorie> all you need do is active universe
[07:01] <libreSSL> !info ppsspp
[07:01] <libreSSL> :c
[07:02] <libreSSL> !info linux-image-generic
[07:03] <libreSSL> Unpacking linux-image-generic (<IP_ADDRESS>.44) over (<IP_ADDRESS>.44) ...wat
[07:03] <libreSSL> I purged the canonical ppa, but it still does that
[07:03] <libreSSL> should I purge the package manually?
[07:04] <valorie> ppa-purge should take the packages and etc too
[07:04] <valorie> safely
[07:04] <libreSSL> alright I'll run it again
[07:05] <lordievader> libreSSL: It's likely it just installs its replacement ^ that one
[07:05] <libreSSL> hmm
[07:07] <libreSSL> lordievader: http://showterm.io/e09a9354723344d902fe3
[07:07]  * lordievader doesn't see what's wrong with that
[07:08] <lordievader> That was very much intended ;)
[07:08] <libreSSL> but it says that the one in the main repository is <IP_ADDRESS>.43
[07:08] <lordievader> Oh wait...
[07:09] <lordievader> libreSSL: What does 'apt-cache policy linux-image-generic' give? And please just pastebin it, I don't like waiting for a movie to finish playing.
[07:09] <libreSSL> ohhhh
[07:09] <libreSSL> trusty-proposed
[07:10] <lordievader> O god...
[07:10] <lordievader> You just want to break your system...
[07:10] <lordievader> At this point I'm starting to think it is best to start from scratch.
[07:11] <libreSSL> but there isn't really a problem with my system though
[07:11] <libreSSL> actually, I should try rebooting...
[07:11] <lordievader> libreSSL: Yes there is. The setup is a time bom.
[07:26]  * TheFakeazneD525 whistles innocently
[07:30] <valorie> how's it going, TheFakeazneD525
[07:30] <TheFakeazneD525> I'm switching back to the open source driver
[07:31] <TheFakeazneD525> one sec, reboot
[07:36] <TheFakeazneD525> hmm, I guess I'll just use the x.org driver
[07:37] <TheFakeazneD525> since I get acceptable framerates on my opengl stuff if I disable desktop effects
[07:41] <TheFakeazneD525> oh yeah, lordievader, about the qt5qtcore thing
[07:41] <TheFakeazneD525> I tried apt-file search, and nothing turned up
[07:41] <TheFakeazneD525> maybe my configs are wrong in the project?
[07:43] <TheFakeazneD525> ...are you mad
[07:43] <lordievader> Or there is no package providing that. I ran into some qt5 things too recently.
[07:43] <TheFakeazneD525> lordievader: ah
[07:43] <TheFakeazneD525> lordievader: should I just fall back to qt4 then?
[07:44] <lordievader> That's what I did.
[07:44] <TheFakeazneD525> hmm
[07:52] <TheFakeazneD525> lordievader: btw, is there anything similar to amdccccccle for the open source driver
[07:52] <lordievader> No, but you have /proc
[07:55] <TheFakeazneD525> :c
[10:18] <jinksies> pptp vpn connections, did anyone got problems with them suddenly?
[10:21] <lordievader> jinksies: Set one up yesterday to use ipsec, works perfectly.
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:56] <fouDuBassan> Hi. I'm currently installing kubuntu with kubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso. It seems that the installer does not load the keymap corresponding to the language asked: in my case, French..
[12:57] <fouDuBassan> during the manual partitionning phase.
[14:16] <rberg> kde 4.14.1 is incoming to the backports ppa.. nifty
[14:18] <Yossarianuk> hi - is it possible to get the run dialog (i.e ALT+F2) permanently
[14:24] <Yossarianuk> sorry lost connectin
[14:59] <wheeei> Any webdeveloper here? Do you normally have your local webserver-files (websites) stored in the root-partion or home-partion ? I'm planning to have a lot of databases and lots of websites, I'm not sure if I should create a big root-partion och home-partion.
[15:00] <lordievader> wheeei: They are usually in /var/www/<website-name>
[15:00] <lordievader> For me anyhow.
[15:00] <lordievader> But /var/www is default for Ubuntu.
[15:00] <wheeei> oki thanx lordievader, so not the home-partion then
[15:01] <lordievader> No, apache needs access to those files and your home dir should have 700 permissions.
[15:03] <genii> If you have userdir module installed, each user also gets a directory inside their home directory called public_html where they can have their pages. The URL for that typically looks like http://wherever.tld/~theirusernamr
[17:02] <larsivi> hi, on my son's pc (14.04), the program menu has gotten stuck on the desktop (and the button itself disappeared). logging out/restarting does not help. Where is that stuff configured so I can remove it?
[17:02] <larsivi> even removing the panel didn't help
[18:31] <MichaelP> For plasma 5 what going to be better.. Project neon iso or adding the repo ?
[18:32] <lordievader> MichaelP: It comes down to the same thing.
[18:34] <TheFakeazneD525> so I hear KDE Plasma 5 SC is fully hardware accelarated
[18:34] <MichaelP> lordievader: one thing i having trouble finguring out is project neon iso 32 bit or 64 bit... just gives down linux.. does not say if it 64 or 32
[18:35] <TheFakeazneD525> iirc, 64
[18:35] <lordievader> MichaelP: Likely 64 bit, but nowadays that should be no problem.
[18:36] <MichaelP> just wondered have 32 bit pc running kubuntu 14.10 plasma 5 and this laptop is 64
[19:41] <wheei> how can I reset the settings for multiple screens without connecting my second monitor???
[19:41] <wheei> I fuckd the settings up and when I plug it now, my screen goes away and I can use the computer.. I try to google how to do it but everyone is writing how to actually save the settings! >_<
[22:57] <Davy_Crockett> Hello peeps Oi!
[22:59] <TheFakeazneD525> oi m8 u havin a giggl?
[23:01] <Davy_Crockett> Yes
[23:02] <Davy_Crockett> messing around with my new weechat install on tty1
[23:02] <street> I have a question
[23:03] <Davy_Crockett> ask away mate
[23:04] <street> does anyone know a difinitive way to clone my drive directly to another laptop with some ease
[23:05] <street> just the kubuntu , that is ...no windows
[23:07] <TheFakeazneD525> clonezilla
[23:07] <street> thanx Ill check it out
[23:13] <skinux> How can we give a name to a tab in Konsole?
[23:15] <TheFakeazneD525> just click on the tab twice
[23:15] <TheFakeazneD525> and then set the name
[23:15] <TheFakeazneD525> iirc
[23:27]  * TheFakeazneD525 hopes phonon might gain an mpv backend :3


[00:53] <prefrontal>  how do I downgrade from KDE SC 4.4 Beta 2 to 4.3.4, using the Kubuntu PPA?
[00:54] <prefrontal> it's extremely buggy for me. i can't get any work done
[00:55] <shtylman> ScottK: ^
[00:55] <jjesse> evening
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: any opinions on http://imagebin.ca/view/MP_RTspx.html and http://imagebin.ca/view/YxE2rcyo.html ? (I tweaked the colors a bit to match the multicolor logo)
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> eww, jpeg
[03:07]  * JontheEchidna bops ksnapshot
[03:07] <shtylman> yea... that quality failed :)
[03:07] <shtylman> I thought about multicolor.. and tried it
[03:07] <shtylman> I couldn't get it to be right with the lighter color
[03:08] <shtylman> that bottom circle always dissapears on me
[03:08] <shtylman> I want to do multi color as well
[03:08] <shtylman> if we can do something about that lighter color
[03:08]  * shtylman is almost done hacking to make plasoids snap to one another for easier alignment
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> I must admit it is a bit hard to see
[03:08] <shtylman> yea
[03:08] <shtylman> thats the only downside
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> less so with my white christmas background... but... ;P
[03:09] <shtylman> heh
[03:15] <nixternal> hola
[03:15] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: I don't like the multicolor logo, I like the one shtylman linked to in his email -> http://apt.shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu.png
[03:16] <nixternal> or, maybe a whitish/ghost version of that one
[03:16]  * nixternal crawls back into the hangover hold
[03:16] <nixternal> hol
[03:16] <nixternal> hole
[03:16] <nixternal> jeesh
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> lol
[03:18] <jjesse> that bad eh nixternal?
[03:19] <nixternal> yeah, way to much useless celebrating last night
[03:20] <nixternal> back to chilling...peace out homeskillets
[03:27] <jjesse> peace out bro nixternal
[03:30] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: see the new email the that thread?
[03:30] <shtylman> he does have a point about the small gears
[03:31] <shtylman> but I don't like the logo he presents either
[03:31] <shtylman> also...I tried a shadow... and it didn't look as good as the white glow with air plasma
[03:33] <nixternal> shtylman: link me to that icon...I want to see how it looks with different plasma themes
[03:33] <nixternal> as I am not a fan of air
[03:33] <shtylman> which icon?
[03:35] <nixternal> the one you linked in your screenshot
[03:35] <nixternal> jeesh, the other kubuntu logo is just awful
[03:35] <nixternal> if the logo doesn't look good small, fix the gears so it does....that logo is like the village people's version doing the
[03:35] <nixternal> Y
[03:35] <nixternal> A
[03:36] <nixternal> M
[03:36] <nixternal> C
[03:36] <shtylman> hahahaha
[03:37] <shtylman> http://apt.shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu-menu.tar.gz
[03:37] <shtylman> that has various sizes
[03:37] <shtylman> I should also post the source
[03:37] <shtylman> dunno why I never packaged that up
[03:38] <nixternal> I don't need the sources..I suck at artwork anyways
[03:38] <shtylman> kk
[03:41] <nixternal> looks good with aya, slim-glow, and another one...stupid workspace must have crashed because now my theme isn't changing, and I have a god awful theme going
[03:41] <shtylman> hahaha
[03:43] <nixternal> man, slim-glow with a smoked icon would look gorgeous
[03:44] <shtylman> smoked?
[03:44] <shtylman> I thought about slim glow with insides removed
[03:44] <shtylman> is that what you mean?
[03:44] <nixternal> kind of
[03:45] <nixternal> actually, yeah, that would be exactly what I am thinking now that I think about
[03:45] <nixternal> that would be whicked hot
[03:45] <nixternal> just a white glow outline
[03:45] <nixternal> umf
[03:56]  * nixternal heads out for real this time
[03:56] <nixternal> later
[06:18]  * shtylman has finished snap feature for plasma :)
[11:22] <wilder> hiall, I'm trying to understand what could go wrong with https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206890
[11:23] <wilder> can it be the case that kbuildsyscoca4 is (or was) not run after installing arora?
[12:44] <KOPRajs> hi there... I'm trying to diasable UnredirectFullscreen option in kwinrc in Kubuntu 9.10... there was a bug for this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/327199) and it was fixed in Jaunty but in Karmic there is the same bug again... what more even when I change the settings as suggested it doesn't work... what can I do? Where can I find patches applied to kwin in Kubuntu?
[13:01] <mgraesslin> KOPRajs: have you restared kwin after changing the option?
[15:15] <KOPRajs> mgraesslin: yes, of course... I've tried even rebooting
[15:15] <KOPRajs> still fullscreen windows are not redirected
[15:20] <KOPRajs> one more question... I needed to use my swap partition as transfer file system for Mac OS X so I changed it's ID and made hfs fs on it... Kubuntu of course started to claim it cannot mount all mounts from fstab upon boot... so far expected
[15:21] <KOPRajs> everything worked but system had no swap
[15:21] <KOPRajs> then I changed partition's ID back and made a swap on it again
[15:22] <KOPRajs> Kubuntu still didn't mount it because of different UUID
[15:23] <KOPRajs> so I edit /etc/fstab and wrote new UUID for swap there
[15:24] <KOPRajs> now Kubuntu automatically mounts swap upon boot and everything works but while booting the Usplash falls to verbose mode every boot
[15:24] <KOPRajs> why?
[15:25] <KOPRajs> there is no error or warning (at least I didn't notice any)
[15:26] <KOPRajs> but in the moment where kernel initialize is complete and Usplash should show booting progress bar with 0% it falls to console
[15:33] <freeflying> KOPRajs: this channel is not for supporting
[15:47] <DaskREEch> Cool
[15:47] <DaskREEch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/FeatureStatus
[15:48]  * DaskREEch winces at online services
[16:13] <jussi01> DaskREEch: youll probably find theres a super big project there that when they have finished it will eat a huge chunk
[16:17] <DaskREEch> Which project?
[16:17] <DaskREEch>  Hooray kernel team though
[16:34] <Mamarok> is there a mesa 7.7 available for Karmic?
[16:36] <DaskREEch> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1368214
[16:37] <Zorael> I'm looking at Karmic's Xsetup and it seems backwards. If kdmrc is set up to not auto login, it displays ksplashx. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
[16:38] <Zorael> The line goes: if grep -q ^AutoLoginEnable=true /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc; then ksplashx Default & fi
[16:39] <Zorael> er, missing a ! there.
[16:39] <Zorael> if ! grep -q ^AutoLoginEnable=true /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc; then ksplashx Default & fi
[16:40] <Zorael> If not enabled, then display
[17:14] <jussi01> DaskREEch: I suspect its the music store, no? ;)
[17:16] <DaskREEch> jussi01: FOSS Music Release Early Release out of tune!
[17:16] <jussi01> lol
[19:15] <ScottK> Lure: Would you please have a look at Bug 497562
[19:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I said I'd put 4.3.4 in karmic-backports if no one objected.  It wasn't clear to me if you were objecting or not?
[19:24] <Riddell> ScottK: just pondering. I think that's fine, go ahead
[19:24] <Riddell> there may wel be a 4.3.5 at some point too
[19:25] <ScottK> If it every gets to the no regressions point we can upload to updates
[19:25] <ScottK> updates/proposed
[19:35] <amichair> ScottK: where would I find a list of known regressions to decide if I should get the backport?
[19:36] <ScottK> amichair: There is a kubuntu-ppa project that gets some bug reports, some bug reports get in under Ubuntu in LP, and sometimes it comes up on IRC and mail lists.  No single place.
[19:37] <amichair> :-/
[19:38] <amichair> ScottK: in that case, is there anything in particular in kde 4.3.4 backport to be afraid of?
[19:38] <ScottK> The one I remember is people complaining spell checking no longer worked.
[19:38] <amichair> ScottK: ok, no biggie :-)
[19:41] <amichair> I'm mostly hopeful that the huge memory leak in plasma-desktop is fixed. The bug report comment says it might be in 4.3.4.
[19:53] <jussi01>
[19:55] <DaskREEch>
[20:06] <Quintasan> \o
[20:35] <Lure> ScottK: I would suspect digikam needs to be rebuild with 4.4beta2 again :-(
[20:35]  * Lure is not sure why is digikam so linked with kde releases
[20:35] <ScottK> Lure: Can you take care of that?
[20:36]  * ScottK guesses unstable kdegraphics abi.
[20:36] <Lure> ScottK: I can - I planned to work on digikam 1.0 backport anyhow, will then do it for beta ppa first
[20:36] <Lure> ScottK: you are probably right
[20:36] <Lure> ScottK: btw, I did look into debian-science merge before xmas, but got confused with how to apply my changes
[20:37] <Lure> ScottK: will probably ask you for some guidance in next days
[20:37] <ScottK> OK
[20:44] <Lure> ScottK: quick question: if I need to change the package to backport, do I just propose debdiff to backports bug?
[20:44] <ScottK> Lure: Yes.
[20:44]  * jussi01 wonders just how long the virtuoso guys will be with the release
[20:44] <Lure> ScottK: thanks
[20:45] <ScottK> Lure: If it's a package you can upload, you should be able to upload it to *-backports (it will then have to be reivewed/accepted by a backporter - ping me for that).
[20:45]  * Lure thinks we need better naming for ppa packages - current -karmic in beta clashes with backports
[20:46] <Lure> ScottK: I suspect that I can upload then (if my per-package/kubuntu-devel rights are also valid for karmic)
[20:46] <ScottK> Should be.  Worth a try.
[21:56] <DaskREEch> JontheEchidna: Heh you are in the top 3 on bko
[21:56] <Riddell> wow, ubuntu-users has a lengthy thread subject of people just abusing each other, reminds me how lucky we are to have claydoh and Mamarok to keep things sane on k-u
[21:57] <DaskREEch> Didn't know that bko had private bugs
[21:57] <DaskREEch> Riddell: Isn't it the yearly get the abuse out thread?
[21:58] <Riddell> DaskREEch: I think b.k.o got private bugs so that sysadmin could use a bug tracker
[21:59] <DaskREEch> Ah ok. Fastest bug fixed is unviewable so that takes some of the fun out of it
[22:01]  * Sput wonders why kubuntu doesn't package Virtuoso 5.12
[22:02] <DaskREEch> Sput: Because we are waiting on 6.0.1
[22:02] <Sput> yeah, but why? :)
[22:02] <Sput> I mean, better package a slightly older version than having a half-broken KDE around...
[22:03] <ScottK> IIRC we thought it'd be sooner than this.
[22:03] <DaskREEch> Sput: You are welcome to do so if you like. I think someone already started.
[22:03] <DaskREEch> Might be _Groo_
[22:03] <Sput> DaskREEch: not a kubuntu packager :)
[22:03] <Sput> or user even
[22:04] <Riddell> "SymonHate (symonhate) wants to be a member of Package Archives for Kubuntu (kubuntu-ppa)" hmm, maybe not with a name like that
[22:04] <Sput> I was just wondering, because I'm reading this in here a lot of time
[22:04] <DaskREEch> Yeah but there was a full list of things to do and no one wanted to package and test Virtuoso and then have to redo it two days later
[22:04] <Sput> I see
[22:04]  * Sput isn't sure if there's a lot of difference between 5.x and 6.x so packaging a newer version will be a lot of work again
[22:04] <Lure> ScottK: is https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backporters/+archive/ppa still used for source-changes backports?
[22:05] <ScottK> Lure: It was only ever used for testing.
[22:05] <DaskREEch> Made a more more sense to package other things. And Debian has a 6.0.1 "package"  but there is no offcial release as yet
[22:05] <DaskREEch>  I don't think anyone even knows why not
[22:05] <ScottK> For actual backports, just upload to Ubuntu with karmic-backports as your target release.
[22:05] <Lure> ScottK: ok, as I anyway test with my ppa
[22:06] <Sput> DaskREEch: Gentoo packaged 6.0.0 first, then we figured out that it supposedly caused problems and packaged 5.0.12 too... but no idea as of why upstream is slacking either :/
[22:07] <DaskREEch> 6.0.0 broke nepomuk. That's been fixed in code now supposedly and there is just people waiting around for a announcement
[22:08] <DaskREEch> Of course until then no one is packaging incase they have some last minute crazy bug and change things again
[22:08] <DaskREEch> I'd actually prefer that the prerelease 6.0.1 is packaged and tested privately at least
[22:10] <Riddell> it wouldn't be a bad idea to have 5.x in, I looked at the suse packaging and there's some patches but nothing unusual.  of course unlike gentoo we have releases, there's no expectation that it'll work before april
[22:11] <DaskREEch> Sput: you were talking about Koala specifically?
[22:11] <Sput> Riddell: well, I suppose lucid users would be glad to have a working KDE 4.4 :)
[22:11] <Sput> DaskREEch: nah, not really... I don't think KDE 4.3 really needs nepomuk (plus the sesame backend still works there)
[22:11] <Sput> but 4.4 doesn't work without virtuoso
[22:12] <DaskREEch> and virtuoso doesn't work :)
[22:12] <DaskREEch> Touchy eh?
[22:12] <Sput> well, 5.0.12 does :)
[22:12] <Sput> quite fine actually, here
[22:13]  * Sput needs to figure out why akonadi randomly complains about nepomuk not running, suspecting a race condition on startup
[22:13]  * ScottK has nepomuk classified in "Stuff that makes his system annoyingly slow".
[22:14] <Sput> ScottK: with sesame, certainly
[22:14]  * Sput was able to finally remove all traces of java the other day
[22:14] <Sput> from my system
[22:16] <DaskREEch> Hmm actually I remember someone was talking about a Save/ Open with  /Open with other dialog for KDE 4.4
[22:16] <DaskREEch> Did It missit? I just realised the dialog only offers me a single application
[22:17]  * Lure will first test nepomuk/virtuoso speed before enabling digikam's nepomuk support
[22:19] <DaskREEch> I'm testing bangarang and it's near useless without Nepomuk :(
[22:22] <ryanakca> DaskREEch: Yeah. I'm stuck between virtuoso not being installable and not wanting to install sesame2/java on my netbook.
[22:23] <DaskREEch> Which is why I think that the pre release debian package should be tested
[22:24] <shtylman> ryanakca: do you still have the new kubuntu site mockup?
[22:25] <DaskREEch> It's something and in my mind at least is some semblence of progress
[22:25] <DaskREEch>  and the best thing that can happen is the final release is exactly the same and we can unveil hours after the announcement
[22:26] <ryanakca> shtylman: Aye
[22:26] <DaskREEch> Worst is that stuff needs to be changed and it has to be repackaged but with some known expectations of bugs/performance expectations
[22:26] <Riddell> Lex79 has virtuoso here, I wonder if that works https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging
[22:26] <ryanakca> shtylman: just a sec
[22:27] <ryanakca> shtylman: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/ofir-website.png
[22:31]  * shtylman can't wait to see that go live :)
[22:32] <ryanakca> shtylman: Nor can I :)
[22:34] <Sput> ryanakca: if you're already running KDE 4.4, sesame wouldn't help you much, as Nepomuk refuses to use it (except for importing old data)
[22:35] <Sput> that said, it seems to suck slightly (in particular for binary distros) that Nepomuk requires both sesame and Virtuoso to be able to import old data, hence one needs to drag the java stuff into the package to allow migration...
[22:36]  * Sput likes the idea behind Akonadi/Nepomuk, but the implementation is wrecking havoc everywhere
[22:37] <DaskREEch> Well I've never got Strigi working since KDE 4.0 so I have no data which I guess is a good thing now
[22:37]  * ScottK likes android phone, gmail, akonadi-googledata, and automagically contacts move between his phone and his KAddressbook.
[22:38] <DaskREEch> Does android auto add numbers that you call to the phone book?
[22:39] <ScottK> No, but you can click on the number in the call log and add them very easily.
[22:42] <Lure> ScottK: can you look at bug 502444 and give me ACK?
[22:42] <ScottK> Lure: Did you upload it already?
[22:42] <Lure> ScottK: not, I would like you to at least review debdiff
[22:43] <ScottK> OK
[22:43] <Lure> otherwise I am ready to upload
[22:46] <ScottK> Lure: main/universe doesn't matter for backports, so that change is unneeded.
[22:46] <Lure> ScottK: oh, I didn't know that
[22:46] <ScottK> No problem.  Fix that bit and then go ahead an upload.
[22:47] <Lure> ScottK: it does not make a big change, as lqr is also in digikam source if not found on system
[22:47] <ScottK> Lure: OK, but best to minimize the diff.
[22:47] <Lure> ScottK: right, will do
[22:47] <ScottK> Go ahead and ping me when you've uploaded.
[22:53] <shtylman> ryanakca: what will happen first ... new site .. or lucid release?
[22:53] <Riddell> new site please!
[22:54] <shtylman> :)
[22:54] <Riddell> ryanakca: can we convert to the new layout without the screenshot module?
[22:54] <Riddell> or have you spoken to kees about the screenshot module at all?
[23:04] <Lure> ScottK: [ubuntu/karmic-backports] digikam 2:1.0.0-1ubuntu1~karmic1 (Waiting for approval)
[23:04] <ScottK> Looking
[23:10] <ryanakca> Riddell, shtylman: To be honest, I've been somewhat neglecting my webmaster duties for the past month, school has been hectic. I'll get the theme fixed up tonight / tomorrow, show it to you and get back to prodding the sysadmins.
[23:11] <Riddell> ryanakca: which theme?
[23:11] <ryanakca> Riddell: The drupal one? Remove the screenshot module.
[23:13] <Riddell> thanks
[23:19] <shtylman> ryanakca: its all good... no worries .. we want you to pass your classes :)
[23:21] <ScottK> Lure: Accepted.
[23:22] <Lure> ScottK: thanks
[23:22] <Lure> ScottK: I am testing kipi-plugins backport now, so it will be ready to upload soon
[23:22] <ScottK> shtylman: You may want him to pass his classes.  I want a new web site.
[23:22] <ScottK> ;-)
[23:22] <ScottK> OK
[23:25] <shtylman> hahaha
[23:30]  * DaskREEch looks jealously at Lynx users
[23:30] <DaskREEch> Sput: Well there you go you have 6.0.1 ppa :)
[23:31]  * DaskREEch votes for a new site in timeline with Lynx beta release
[23:31] <shtylman> Riddell: how are we on touchpad config?
[23:31] <Sput> DaskREEch: I don't really care, but I'm happy for your users :)
[23:31] <Sput> DaskREEch: I assume it's a snapshot?
[23:32] <DaskREEch> Sput: Yeah termed RC by the packager
[23:32] <Sput> ok, good to know
[23:32] <DaskREEch> and as mentioned. With a note that they are jsut waiting on a official release announcement (which I check for twice a day now) to bless it
[23:33] <Sput> very well
[23:33] <Riddell> shtylman: not sure, it's packaged I think but it probably needs a UI review and it could do with getting put into upstream
[23:33] <Lure> ScottK: bug 502460 - uploading now
[23:33] <Sput> sounds like Quassel, which sometimes waits weeks for an official release announcements because packages still need to be done :)
[23:34] <shtylman> Riddell: what would it take to get it put upstream?
[23:36] <Riddell> shtylman: the author needs to put it into kdereview and propose it on kde-core-devel
[23:36] <shtylman> have we talked to the author about doing that?
[23:36] <Quintasan> Hey guys can someone shorten the whole drama with Steve? I can't really make any sense from it
[23:37]  * Lure does not understand it also...
[23:37] <Riddell> shtylman: I think we did yes and he seemd to think it was a good idea but wasn't sure how to go about it
[23:37] <ScottK> Quintasan: Steve is having some issues in his life and as a consequence upset some people.  He's taking a break to deal with said issues, but in the mean time is still pretty upset about the way he got treated.
[23:38] <ScottK> (treated being in most people's assessment a not unreasonable reaction to his behavior)
[23:39]  * Nightrose is sad about having sent him an extremely friendly email and getting a reply (at least without fullquote to the devel list
[23:39] <Nightrose> i'll give up at this point tbh
[23:40] <ScottK> Hopefully he will deal with his problems and come back and be productive.
[23:40] <shtylman> Riddell: do we have to have someone follow up with him? was someone on our end assigned to it?
[23:40]  * ScottK hopes everyone else will be able to let the current mess be in the past if he does.
[23:40] <shtylman> ScottK: never knew there could be this much drama :)
[23:41] <Riddell> shtylman: nobody assigned on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[23:41] <Lure> ScottK: [ubuntu/karmic-backports] kipi-plugins 1.0.0-1ubuntu1~karmic1 (Waiting for approval)
[23:41] <Nightrose> ScottK: yes hopefully - one of the reasons i emailed him was to let him know that he can come back any time he feels he has taken care of his current problems
[23:42] <ScottK> Lure: Accepted.
[23:42] <Lure> ScottK: thanks again
[23:44] <shtylman> Riddell: does taco want to look at it?
[23:44] <shtylman> since he did packaging?
[23:44] <ScottK> We got some nice weekend backlog going on the buildd's ....
[23:45] <neversfelde> ScottK: +1, Steve helped me a lot to get in touch with KDE packaging
[23:45] <Riddell> shtylman: probably best to check in with him on the status before doing anything
[23:46] <shtylman> check in with taco? or the author
[23:47] <shtylman> Riddell: also... how do you want right to left support to work in the installer? what is broken about it?
[23:47] <shtylman> do you just want the tabs on the right side?
[23:48] <shtylman> basically ... flip everything?
[23:49] <shtylman> nixternal: the feedback applet doesn't work for me ... :(
[23:50] <Riddell> shtylman: I think the forwards/backwards buttons are the wrong way around
[23:50] <shtylman> k
[23:50] <Riddell> forwards should be on the left pointing left, backwards on the right pointing right
[23:57] <Sput> o_O
[23:57] <Sput> isn't forward always pointing right?
[23:58] <Sput> ah, rtl... hm
[23:58] <Riddell> not if you read right to left
[23:58] <Sput> what does KDE do?
[23:58] <Riddell> loads the correct icon for the locale
[23:59] <Riddell> and runs apps in --reverse
[23:59] <Riddell> but I seem to remember ubiquity doesn't do this
[23:59] <Riddell> goodness knows what way the Mongolians think is forwards :)


[11:53] <slashd> rbasak, morning, I'm re-sending the message just in case you missed it yesterday as it was probably EOD for you when I sent it, but I have re-uploaded the isc-dhcp for Trusty.
[11:59] <rbasak> Hi!
[12:00] <rbasak> I've reviewed, thanks. One issue. Sorry I didn't notice this before, because of the line wrapping I hadn't read the changelog message in detail.
[12:00] <rbasak> And I appreciate the pain and am sorry about so many round trips.
[12:00] <rbasak> "* Disable tracing and failover."
[12:00] <rbasak> I really appreciate you noting this.
[12:01] <rbasak> And I checked that it only applies to the -noddns package, so appreciate there is no regression.
[12:01] <rbasak> So that's fine, but I feel that the changelog as it is right now is misleading and suggests that failover is being disabled for the entire source package.
[12:01] <rbasak> I'd prefer to avoid readers panicking on that.
[12:02] <rbasak> I think the readers who actually read the changelog are likely to be misled.
[12:05] <slashd> rbasak, so you want me to remove this portion ?
[12:05] <slashd> rbasak, sorry I missed the wrong channel by the way, still early for me, haven't took my coffee yet ;)
[12:08] <rbasak> slashd: or just reword to make it clear that it applies only to the -noddns part?
[12:09] <rbasak> That would be clearest I think.
[12:09] <rbasak> slashd: do you want to pastebin it to I can see it to save going round again?
[12:09] <slashd> rbasak, sure make sense, same thing as yesterday you reject and I re-upload ?
[12:09] <rbasak> Yep
[12:09] <slashd> rbasak, yes for the pastebin
[12:15] <slashd> rbasak, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24654858/
[12:15] <rbasak> slashd: that's fine, thanks! Please upload.
[12:15] <slashd> rbasak, perfect
[12:16] <slashd> will do in a couples of minutes
[12:16] <slashd> rbasak, thanks for reviewing it
[12:16] <rbasak> No problem. Sorry for the round trips.
[12:16] <slashd> rbasak, no problem at all, you were totally right
[13:19] <roaksoax> win 8


[23:44] <pnorman> koalachair: How did you get into this problem in the first place?
[23:44] <maaha> http://paste.ubuntu.com/796521/
[23:45] <xyz123abc456> ActionParsnip, Oops, I had it disabled in BiOS. It's detected now. Now, let's see if I can make free bluetooth phone calls with google.
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> xyz123abc456: d'oh
[23:45] <xyz123abc456> ActionParsnip, I had forgotten about it, I disabled it in BiOS a long time ago when the card wasn't installed
[23:46] <jasonmchristos> I think I got it, going to try for a restart bazhang
[23:46] <LinuX2half> Does anyone know why Ubuntu insists that I have broken packages and yet when I checked, there's none?
[23:48] <danial> my computer isn't even registering my broadcom device anymore.
[23:48] <pnorman> koalachair: can you pastebin mdadm --examine /dev/sd[abde]1 (or whatever the drive letters are for you
[23:50] <Omer_> .
[23:51] <venice__> well good night i'll give it another try tomorrow ;) or well later today :/ ^^
[23:51] <kilonux> aide pour proxy , freebox og firefox?
[23:51] <Pandawan> !list
[23:52] <Sidewinder1> Pandawan, Yea, I know ciao a tutti.
[23:52] <koalachair> pnorman: http://pastebin.com/UEvNkvqi
[23:52] <sl00> Hi. How can I tell the installer not to use GPT (GUID Partition Table) on the drives?
[23:53] <Pandawan> > Sidewinder : What ?
[23:53] <Sidewinder1> Pandawan, Never mind,.. :D
[23:54] <Pandawan> Ok sorry but didnt get it....
[23:55] <jasonmchristos> bazhang: figure anything out?
[23:55] <jasonmchristos> bazhang: still cant seem to get it going
[23:55] <[deXter]> sl00, I don't think it does, unless you have an EFI
[23:56] <juanpablo_piz> alguien de hermosillo sonora
[23:57] <sl00> [deXter]: Really? I have been trying to install it but it does not boot up. Have the same problem with Ubuntu. Had the same problem with Fedora before I sent the nogpt boot-flag before installing.
[23:57] <pnorman> koalachair: odd. the Array State for sd[ab]1 is AAAA, the state for the others is .AA.
[23:57] <koalachair> pnorman: Do you know what that state represents?
[23:58] <pnorman> koalachair: which are active and which are missing
[23:58] <pnorman> I'm honestly stumped.
[23:59] <koalachair> pnorman: At least this is something - some distinction between two and another two. Might explain why the auto only decided to use 2


[21:35] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, when does the next UWN come out?
[21:36] <Rinchen> beuno, ^^
[21:51] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: sunday nights
[21:52] <boredandblogging> we like to have all the material by sunday morning though
[21:52] <Rinchen> good
[21:52] <Rinchen> I have something for you tomorrow.
[21:52] <Rinchen> will post to the fridge list
[21:52] <boredandblogging> excellent
[21:53] <Rinchen> unannounced ... waiting on the question of actually getting the prize in my hand before starting.  https://help.launchpad.net/logo
[21:53] <Rinchen> I'll post it in all of the normal places tomorrow (when I should have my answer)
[21:54] <boredandblogging> i like the current logo, kinda cute
[21:56] <Rinchen> I like the LP Dev iconS
[21:56] <Rinchen> https://edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad
[22:02] <boredandblogging> hah, yeah


[01:39] <draeath> What does one do if a report regarding a package dependency (suggest/recommend specifically) has not been answered for at least 20 days?
[01:40] <draeath> (Bug 251367) It's no big deal for me, but it's a workaround for 22007, yet it currently requires using Equivs.
[06:06] <Hew> What GPG key is used for the ddebs repo, and should this info be added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash ?
[06:11] <LaserJock> hmm, I would've thought it'd be the same key as archive.ubuntu.com
[06:12] <LaserJock> does it give authentication warnings?
[06:15] <wgrant> I hope not... that would mean that rookery had the archive key.
[06:15] <wgrant> Which is very, very bad.
[06:15] <persia> It is a different key.
[06:16] <LaserJock> ok, fine, I stand corrected ;-)
[06:19] <persia> Hmm.  There was once a useful wiki page that said what key to import, but I'm not currently finding it.
[06:20] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think it'd get used all that much
[06:21] <persia> Why not?    Imagine what could go in one.
[06:24] <LaserJock> well, I personally don't care, but I guess some people would so it's nice to have the key around
[06:26] <persia> LaserJock: Dangerous not to care: DNS is not reliable, nor is IP.  TCP only guarantees that the received data matches the sent data.  You need to check it sometime if you want to get the right thing.
[06:26] <persia> (this has nothing to do with recent vulnerabilities: it's inherent in the architecture of the internet)
[06:26] <LaserJock> right
[06:26] <LaserJock> but debug packages are the least of my worries
[06:27] <LaserJock> I install a few a year probably
[06:27] <LaserJock> I use PPAs all the time
[06:27] <persia> Right.  You're already lost then :)
[06:27] <wgrant> I do hope they get on with fixing that.
[06:27] <wgrant> Although maybe one severe vulnerability per year is their limit
[06:28] <persia> I'm not sure there is a good solution to that.  I guess signing everything with a PPA key at least guarantees the data in transit, but anything can end up in a PPA.
[06:29] <wgrant> Per-archive keys are needed, but that's a lot of extra keys floating around.
[06:30] <persia> Indeed, and if those keys are attached to the email addresses of those who own the archive, it gets extra-messy.
[06:30] <wgrant> No, it gets wrong and whoever decided that gets yelled at.
[06:31] <persia> Well, yes, but as the keyservers don't allow deletion of any data, it is both wrong and exceedingly messy.
[06:31] <wgrant> I do hope they ask knowledgable people first.
[06:34] <ppp> Ping RAOF - quck message?
[06:35] <LaserJock> wgrant: have you read the LP bug on that?
[06:35] <wgrant> LaserJock: I'm subscribed, and I think I'm up to date.
[06:35] <LaserJock> k
[06:36] <LaserJock> seems like colin was shooting for a two-key solution
[06:36] <LaserJock> I don't get the details though
[06:36] <wgrant> Wasn't it individual archive keys with a key-encrypting key?
[06:36] <persia> Which bug is this?  And should this discussion be on #launchpad?
[06:36] <wgrant> Perhaps so.
[06:37] <LaserJock> persia: perhaps but I'm not sure it matters ...
[06:37] <wgrant> Bug #125103
[06:38] <persia> LaserJock: I think it does: it means that people interesting in LP see the discussion, and people interested in working with Ubuntu Bugs don't have lots of off-topic traffic.
[06:38] <LaserJock> lol, people work on bugs in here?! ;-)
[06:39] <persia> Yes, indeed.  People work on bugs in here.  That's the reason for the channel.
[06:49] <RAOF> ppp: Almost everything will be using playbin at this point; it's a Banshee 1.4 goal to use playbin2, IIRC.
[06:50] <ppp> RAOF - thanks - Gnome devs arent fixing playbin bugs they want to port Totem to playbin2 in this cycle :( :(
[06:54] <RAOF> ppp: You mean that the Totem devs won't be fixing stuff that'll be fixed in a move to playbin2, or that gstreamer devs aren't going to be fixing playbin bugs?
[06:55] <ppp> RAOF; Gnome Totem Dev said in July "I'm hoping to port totem over to playbin2 in this release cycle, so not sure
[06:55] <ppp> it's worth spending time figuring out why this doesn't work right or how to
[06:55] <ppp> hack around it. We've lived with it for so long we'll manage another month."
[06:55] <ppp> No news since
[06:57] <RAOF> ppp: That's seems a perfectly fine response to me; there's no point in fixing bugs in code that'll be cut soon.
[06:58] <ppp> Seems to me he's running out of time / is out of time (??) to get this changed for the current gnome cycle
[06:59] <RAOF> Possibly.
[06:59] <ppp> Yeah, so where is the commitment to quality? Needless to say mplayer just works with this functionality
[07:00] <RAOF> If he hasn't finished the playbin2 port he wouldn't have time to fix it anyway.
[07:02] <ppp> Ubuntu is seriously broken when it comes to media playback through gstreamer / totem :( Oh well, I guess I'll just keep reporting bugs and doing my bit
[07:02] <mrooney> ppp: don't forget it's open source; patches welcome :)
[07:02] <RAOF> We don't have anywhere near enough developers to _write_ the code; that's not our job :).
[07:02] <RAOF> Yeah; feel free to patch it (hopefully it's not _too_ hard).
[07:03] <mrooney> RAOF: interestingly enough though one problem we do have I think, is a shortage of people reviewing patches from non-devs
[07:03] <RAOF> mrooney: Yeah; most of them should probably be pushed upstream.
[07:03] <mrooney> there are numerous bug reports that have been open for awhile and have also had a patch for awhile, without comment :[
[07:04] <persia> mrooney: That's part of the overall shortage of devs:  Take a look at harvest for an example of all the stuff we know could be fixed that hasn't been done yet.
[07:04] <ppp> I understand mate - its upstream and Im working with Gnome and gstreamer now to report upstream bugs and discuss.
[07:04] <mrooney> persia: harvest? (hi!)
[07:04] <LaserJock> harvest makes me cry :(
[07:05] <LaserJock> mrooney: http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/
[07:05] <persia> http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/sourcepackages.html note that there are many other automated lists of work needing to be done that aren't on there yet.
[07:06] <persia> (automated lintian checks, RCbugs, conflictchecker, NBS, etc.)
[07:21] <ppp> Ping RAOF : Is there a way to tell Totem to only playback the first few frames of footage so I can see the elements being used by gstreamer without spamming up the console? Im currently using GST_DEBUG=3 totem /link/to/test
[07:23] <RAOF> ppp: Not that I know of, no.  You could just create a tiny (one frame) file, though.
[07:24] <ppp> Yeah I was thinking about transcoding my test suite for that - I ll get onto it, thanks
[08:01] <ppp> How do I link a bug I reported to the upstream bug Ive now found?
[08:09] <RAOF> ppp: The "also affects" link.
[08:10] <ppp> Thanks mate, updated
[08:38] <snadge> with latest proposed updates.. just got a new nvidia driver, kernel update 21
[08:38] <snadge> the search bar in firefox has stopped working.. like you can type in it, but cant press enter or click the search magnifying glass
[08:39] <persia> snadge: Is this before or after reboot from the new kernel?
[08:39] <snadge> after reboot
[08:39] <snadge> just wondering if anyone else can reproduce this
[08:52] <limcore_box2> hello
[08:52] <limcore_box2> against what package should I report a system wide bug in konfiguration or ubuntu's approach to given topic?
[08:57] <snadge> nobody? :(
[09:08] <wgrant> snadge: That sounds like a Firefox upgrade that you haven't restarted aftr.
[09:08] <wgrant> That's a normal symptom for that situation.
[09:15] <tuxmaniac> heya warp10
[09:16] <warp10> hi tuxmaniac!
[09:36] <snadge> ack my browsers keep crashing
[09:36] <snadge> how do i back out the latest nvidia update from proposed?
[09:38] <snadge> fuck i cant use by browser for long enough to figure out how to do it :p
[09:45] <snadge> figured it out.. can do it with synaptic, thanks guys :P
[10:01] <snadge> ok, i've managed to stop my browser from repeatedly crashing.. i _think_ by booting back into -20-rt, from the updates -21-rt
[10:01] <snadge> but firefox 3 keeps telling me its been updated and needing to restart.. and the google search bar doesnt work in it
[10:08] <snadge> never mind.. im a wanker, i ran out of disk space
[10:08] <snadge> would be nice if there was a panel notification for that ;)
[10:09] <persia> There used to be a notification of low disk space, but lots of people complained that it was distracting, and made assumptions about how the disk was organised.
[10:09] <persia> The trick is finding a way to provide the notification without being annoying, and I don't think that has been figured out yet.
[10:10] <persia> If everyone has a 300GB drive, it's easy, but when some people have 2GB and some people have 5TB, it's harder.
[10:11] <snadge> well in my case i had nothing left
[10:11] <snadge> so i dont think its too much to ask to say "there is NOTHING left"
[10:11] <snadge> because that actually causes the system to become unstable
[10:11] <snadge> things start behaving in strange ways
[10:12] <snadge> here i was blaming the recent updates.. since thats what i was doing at the time it started to become unstable, when the reality is, those updates consumed the last of the available space ;)
[10:13] <snadge> i think having only a few megabytes left is definitely a problem
[10:13] <snadge> anything greater than that is arguably annoying
[10:14] <snadge> you can use nagios and other ways of alerting you for that.. this is more of a critical system thing
[10:15] <snadge> might prevent a few false bug reports too
[10:20] <persia> snadge: Hmm.  That makes sense.  I'd suggest a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to discuss the problem, as I have no idea against which package to file a bug, and I know that similar functionality was previously available (I've not run out of disk space in a while).
[10:22] <snadge> its amusing when you type df.. thinking i wonder.. then see the 0 on your root
[10:22] <snadge> yeah, thats definitely a problem that i should know about without having to actively investigate.. hehe
[10:25] <snadge> kind of interesting that the google search bar stops working, and doesnt produce an error
[13:09] <seisen> I have a question about this bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/253785
[13:09] <seisen> it sounds to me that Rockbox is the problem not the music players themselves, am I correct in thinking that?
[13:11] <persia> seisen: It's one of those awkward things.  The interface isn't working, but it's not clear which side should be fixed.
[13:11] <persia> It's really a matter of who gets to it first, as much as anything else.
[13:12] <persia> If you have the hardware, and can confirm, it could be set to "Confirmed".  I'm fairly certain it's "Wishlist" though.
[13:12] <persia> (It would be a different matter if one could install Ubuntu on the iPod and it didn't sync : that's probably "Low")
[13:13] <seisen> ya I don't  have an Ipod so I can't really test it
[13:13] <persia> seisen: Yeah.  Neither I.  Better to leave for someone who can test.
[13:13] <seisen> I figured it was a Rockbox problem because the original Ipod firmware works just fine
[14:21] <mrooney> okay, I am moving today so if anyone is interested in hosting EeeBotu in #ubuntu-bugs-announce while I transition (it should be back up 6 hours or so at the latest), feel free, the code is on the wiki page in the topic of channel!
[15:05] <hggdh_> all -- I am running Eeebotu meanwhile. Please ping me (and wait patiently, I may be out walking the dogs, or whatever) if something happens.
[15:38] <bdmurray> hggdh: that's run out of his home?
[15:40] <persia> It currently runs of his workstation, as the Eee isn't doing very well.  It used to run off an Eee in the corner.
[15:42] <bdmurray> hmm
[15:42] <persia> You've a more reliable host for it?
[15:43] <bdmurray> persia: I'm looking at bug 105498.  rmadison shows that as being available but I can't find it via apt-cache search.
[15:44] <bdmurray> persia: I'd think some server would be a better idea.
[15:44] <persia> bdmurray: If you look at the rmadison output, you'll notice that it lists "source" but not "all", so it probably FTBFS.  Contrast with rmadison update-manager
[15:45] <persia> (and also, I'm *really* excited about that, as I like that game, but could never figure out a good way to package it)
[15:45] <persia> bdmurray: Just requires someone to put up a server somewhere.
[15:46] <persia> Anyone have a server on which EeeBotu may live?  Ideally it would auto-pull from bzr on a scheduled basis to run any updates in the code.
[15:46] <persia> (mind you, it would be best to chat with mrooney if you have such a server)
[15:46] <tuxmaniac> wiki is readonly again? any maintanence?
[15:48] <bdmurray> persia: okay, I found it ftbfs on i386
[15:48] <persia> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16375896/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.robocode_1.6.0%7Ebeta2-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz :)
[15:48] <hggdh> bdmurray, if you mean eeebotu, I guess so. It is also being run, right now, from my home
[15:49] <persia> Looks like something funny with the last upload, which was supposed to fix the FTBFS without internet connection issue.
[15:49] <persia> http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/robocode/news/20080808T220205Z.html
[15:49] <bdmurray> persia: technically speaking it is packaged though right?
[15:51] <persia> Yes, the needs-packaging bug should be Fix Released.  It now shows up on http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ , and so that may turn into a bug for a fix.
[15:51] <Hobbsee> persia: what is eeebotu?
[15:51] <persia> Hobbsee: http://www.reduz.com.ar/cheesetronic/index.php
[15:51] <persia> Err..
[15:51] <Hobbsee> errr...
[15:52] <Hobbsee> that link doesn't work
[15:52] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikeRooney/EeeBotu
[15:52] <persia> No, and it's the wrong link to boot.
[15:53] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[16:51] <qense> james_w: Is there any documentation for wadllib? I think about porting it to PHP, since I need it there. However, that's hard to do if you don't understand the way it works.
[16:56] <ma10> Can someone please take a look at Bug 254034? It's bad, it's a regression and the patch is trivial.
[16:56] <ma10> it should be marked critical and accepted for intrepid..
[17:04] <bdmurray> I imagine if mdz knows about it, it will get taken care of.
[17:07] <ma10> oh didn't notice
[17:15] <hggdh> persia, I have servers where it eeebotu can be run. I will chat with mrooney later about it (and I can give mrooney access to it)
[17:15] <persia> hggdh: Excellent.  That will be significantly more stable in the long term.  Thank you.
[17:15] <bdmurray> hggdh: that'd be great!
[17:15] <hggdh> glad to be able to help
[17:26] <james_w> qense, I don't know of any, sorry
[17:26] <james_w> qense,
[17:26] <james_w> #launchpad may be a good place to ask
[17:27] <qense> OK I'll try there. Thanks!
[17:30] <james_w> qense, but if you find any let me know
[17:30] <qense> OK!
[21:28] <idwer> does this bug ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/257715 ) also apply when you try to start gnome-terminal by hitting alt+f2, and the "run" window hangs ? or, gnome-terminal is started but there is no commandline made visible ?
[22:22] <seisen> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/258497
[22:23] <seisen> should this be marked as invalid since the crash is caused by a plugin that's not provided by Ubuntu
[22:26] <bdmurray> sounds good to me
[22:26] <seisen> ok thanks