[12:11] <genii> Chameleon22: No, should not need to. Tho perhaps there is a file in /etc/init.d now which should be restarted
[12:12] <Chameleon22> genii, you know what file ?  :p
[12:12] <waylandbill> Alcapond: I can't tell you not to install those, but must say that you could risk breaking the system using debian packages.
[12:12] <genii> mountdevsusbfs   if it exists
[12:13] <chavo> Alcapond, you can try to find ubuntu packages or build from source
[12:13] <Chameleon22> can i PM you the output = 6 lines about
[12:13] <genii> sure
[12:14] <Chameleon22> genii, hrmmm
[12:14] <Alcapond> waylandbill, chavo: thx for the tipp - seems I have to wait for openoffice... :(
[12:15] <waylandbill> Alcapond: that's the other tip. You may want to wait for it to be stable and make its way downstream.
[12:16] <Alcapond> thx all and bye!
[12:20] <Chameleon22> genii, me back and no luck - i hate computers
[12:21] <genii> heh
[12:21] <genii> Do you right now have the drive plugged in?
[12:21] <Chameleon22> before... just unplugged
[12:21] <Chameleon22> why?
[12:22] <Chameleon22> genii, ?
[12:22] <genii> I would try this: unplug the usb cable. Then power up the drive if it has external power. Then plug it in the port and see if it gets seen
[12:23] <Chameleon22> genii, nah both draw power from the port
[12:23] <genii> bah
[12:23] <genii> Did it have an fstab entry before?
[12:23] <Chameleon22> thing is i know they work in both win and other ubuntu boxes.  Then try plugging it in again
[12:25] <waylandbill> it should have a device node if the system saw the device.
[12:26] <genii> waylandbill Yes, this is more of a stab in the dark really LOL
[12:26] <Chameleon22> just checked the fstab, there is nothing usb related
[12:26] <Chameleon22> just the usual stuff
[12:26] <genii> Ok
[12:26] <Chameleon22> 2 UUID lines but they are for swap and root fs
[12:27] <genii> my next thought is there is some lock file interfering
[12:27] <waylandbill> I wonder if whatever makes the usb as virtual scsi devices didn't load or not correctly.
[12:27] <Chameleon22> waylandbill, no idea
[12:27] <genii> Well, it could be something in the generic scsi layer but that gets messy and the lock file would my next simple thing to check
[12:27] <Chameleon22> genii, /var/lock doesnt have anything usefull just vmware and fw lock files
[12:28] <genii> Ah, so you are running it under a vm?
[12:28] <Chameleon22> no
[12:28] <genii> OK
[12:29] <waylandbill> scsi0 should be present at the very least.
[12:29] <Chameleon22> just saying that the only files in /var/lock dir are vmware server lock files and firestarter lock file
[12:29] <genii> Chameleon Are there any subdirs there like usbfs  or something desciptive usb or scsi related?
[12:30] <Chameleon22> /var/lock/subsys/vmware and /var/lock/firestarter  Thats it
[12:30] <genii> OK, thanks
[12:30] <Chameleon22> mmmm
[12:31] <Chameleon22> why scsi
[12:31] <Chameleon22> mmm coffee should i make me a cup or not
[12:31] <Chameleon22> nah will try to solve this first
[12:31] <waylandbill> because usb drives use scsi for mounting
[12:31] <Chameleon22> oh
[12:32] <Chameleon22> perhaps reinstall some scsi packages?
[12:32] <Chameleon22> *shrugs dont know what but its a thought
[12:32] <bumzo> see me rolling
[12:32] <waylandbill> can you pastebin your dmesg output?
[12:32] <genii> Chameleon22: Does ls /proc/scsi/*     show a subdir called usb-storage ?
[12:33] <Chameleon22> waylandbill, hold on - about to, whats the url
[12:33] <Chameleon22> genii, hold on
[12:33] <genii> k
[12:33] <a9913> how do i play mp3s  in amarok?
[12:33] <waylandbill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:34] <Tm_T> !mp3
[12:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:34] <a9913> Tm_T, thanks
[12:34] <Chameleon22> waylandbill, genii pastebin for dmesg is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6849/
[12:34] <waylandbill> a9913: if you're on edgy, go to play one and it'll guide you.
[12:35] <a9913> waylandbill, thanks
[12:35] <bumzo> ss
[12:35] <Chameleon22> waylandbill, genii pastebin for proc scsi ls output is : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6850/
[12:37] <Chameleon22> any clues?
[12:37] <genii> Weird, your acpi and usb controller both seem to want "irq 185"
[12:38] <Chameleon22> so its a conflict ?
[12:38] <genii> btw you are not using an smp kernel apparenlt as well
[12:38] <waylandbill> the scsi subsystem is up and running, the usbfs is initialized, and it noticed 2 usb devices.
[12:38] <genii> yup
[12:38] <Chameleon22> well its a progress, how do i fix it is the next question then
[12:38] <genii> I am starting to think acpi is giving grief but it's just a hunch
[12:38] <malik> how do i detect the webcam?
[12:40] <Chameleon22> genii, yeah but how do i fix this bastard if an issue
[12:40] <malik> i have installed the easycam2 and driver source for Ov511 but still all the cam utilities capture my TV tuner car instead of detecting the webcam and the light on the webcam is on so i dont know how to get it detected.........any one can help?
[12:40] <genii> I'm examining the rest of the dmesg right now, gimme a minute
[12:41] <Chameleon22> genii, okies, thanks for that by the way... very appreciated
[12:43] <genii> It bothers me that lsusb freezes
[12:44] <Chameleon22> genii, it bothers me more lol
[12:46] <genii> Well, if some other thing further up the pipe was failing then it would explain perhaps why. But it seems like your usb subsystem is loading OK. Tho I did notice the ACPI kept resetting or having some kind of issue and that usb device 4 seemed to give it grief of some kind. It looks like 2 different usb hubs get found one with 8 ports apparently
[12:47] <genii> Perhaps as an experiment more than anything try to boot with inserted line to grub of noacpi
[12:48] <Chameleon22> ok hold on
[12:52] <carl> hm
[12:52] <carl> does anybody know of a tool for editing/mixing mp3-files?
[12:55] <Dekans> carl: audacity ?
[01:01] <cavallo> what should I use to convert wmv file to mpeg or avi ?
[01:02] <mystikalone> I'm installing Kubuntu and I need some advice in the partition manager part of the installation
[01:08] <malik> can any on help with webcam installayion?......i will pay ..........im seriously exhausted............nothing is seems to be working
[01:09] <carl> Dekans: thanks :)
[01:11] <nomad111> im trying to install a program and im getting this :configure: error: *** Cannot compile without zlib.
[01:13] <malik> can any on help with webcam installayion?......i will pay ..........im seriously exhausted............nothing is seems to be working?
[01:13] <abattoir> !repeat | malik
[01:13] <ubotu> malik: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[01:13] <abattoir> !webcam | malik
[01:13] <ubotu> malik: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[01:13] <abattoir> malik: read those?
[01:13] <malik> yea been there done all those tricks
[01:14] <genii> nomad111 Would this by chance be a program called crystalspace3d?
[01:14] <abattoir> malik: which model?
[01:14] <malik> light on the cam is on which i suspect that its installed but how to detect it?................ creative pd0040
[01:15] <mystikalone> I'm installing Kubuntu and I need some advice in the partition manager part of the installation
[01:15] <malik> all the cam utilities show my TV Tuner card instead of webacm
[01:16] <waylandbill> nomad11: install the zlib1g-dev
[01:16] <abattoir> malik: http://laitsas.com/archlinux/12/creative-webcam-plus/
[01:16] <abattoir> malik: it's for arch linux, but i guess you can adapt it to ubuntu
[01:16] <waylandbill> mystikalone: well. what kind of advice?
[01:17] <mystikalone> Everytime I install linux, it corrupts my XP partition, I asked around about it and I've been told I've been doing something wrong
[01:17] <mystikalone> something about manually editing partitions and/or letting the installer do it
[01:18] <Smorg> weird
[01:18] <Smorg> you use fdisk?
[01:18] <vlt> Hello. How can I print from evince to |kprinter?
[01:18] <mystikalone> I've been using the installer partition manager
[01:18] <Smorg> yeah that might be whats messing it up
[01:19] <nomad111> genii: its Visualboy Advance 1.7.2
[01:20] <karol> testowanie
[01:20] <genii> nomad111 Ah, OK... I had the zlib thing before with crystalspace3d. The makefile had wrong path for zlib
[01:22] <mafuz> Hi
[01:22] <nomad111> genii: i think u have zlibg or something
[01:22] <nomad111> genii: zlib1g
[01:22] <nomad111> i just got zlib and installed it
[01:23] <waylandbill> nomad111: and the development headers?
[01:24] <nomad111> waylandbill: i really dont kno wat im doing i think im going to stop
[01:25] <waylandbill> nomad111: ok. but the configure script failed because it needed the dev headers (zlib1g-dev) to compile against the zlib library
[01:26] <nomad111> waylandbill: so how do i delete the zlib package that i compiled and installed
[01:26] <nomad111> waylandbill: i dunno where it got installed
[01:27] <waylandbill> you built it (zlib) from source and installed?
[01:27] <nomad111> ye
[01:28] <nomad111> got it from www.zlib.net
[01:28] <nomad111> and same for libpng
[01:28] <nomad111> which for some reason i regret doing
[01:29] <waylandbill> if they didn't have a means of uninstalling in the makefile, it could be a pain getting them back out.
[01:29] <genii> Yes, truly
[01:29] <nomad111> waylandbill: how do i do that
[01:29] <nomad111> make c;lean or remove?
[01:30] <genii> try make dist-clean or make dist  usually wipes out the targets
[01:33] <nomad111> genii: does it really matter if its there though
[01:34] <nomad111> genii: coz if the process of uninstalling is not for noobs and is unecessary then im just going to leave it there
[01:34] <nomad111> both zlib and libpng
[01:35] <genii> Well, if you did it from source it put them in some more unix path like /usr/var/lib instead of someplace like /var/lib so it won't matter extremely so cept for having stuff just being there taking up room and not being useful
[01:37] <genii> Can you pastebin the makefile for the program you are trying to compile?
[01:37] <waylandbill> when using source, using checkinstall or similar isn't a bad idea.
[01:37] <genii> I may be able to spot the path variable you need to mess with to point it to the right zlib spot
[01:38] <genii> I also like to check the ./configure file and seeing the paths are platform proper and so on
[01:39] <kerric> hi
[01:40] <kerric> any1 know ho to instal samsung ml-3561n netrowrk printer under kubuntu ?
[01:40] <kerric> i need drivers imo, but i cannto find it @ samsung.com
[01:41] <genii> kerric Is this a printer which plugs into a LAN cable?
[01:41] <kerric> yap
[01:42] <kerric> that's network printer
[01:42] <kerric> @ other computers with winxp works ok
[01:42] <larson9999> those i'm a mac, windows, linux spots are great
[01:43] <genii> kerric Install a standard postcript printer then to a tcp-ip port. Should work
[01:43] <kerric> i'll try
[01:43] <kerric> thx
[01:43] <genii> np
[01:43] <renato_> hi has anybody in here managed to install postfix/postgres on edgy?
[01:44] <waylandbill> kerric: linuxprinting.org says it should work but doesn't support PJL. did you run the kde printing wizard?
[01:44] <mafuz> HELLO
[01:45] <kerric> yes, but unther this wizard they don't suply ml-3561n
[01:46] <voicu> has anyone tried to use the translate plugin in kopete?
[01:46] <mystikalone> Need help partitioning my drive to install ubuntu
[01:47] <noela> hi
[01:48] <yettenet> Is it possible to use AmaroK's Context tab on the desktop?
[01:48] <waylandbill> mystikalone: did you choose to manually edit the partition table, resize your windows partition to create space and then make a new parition to hold kubuntu?
[01:48] <hw> mystikalone: It might be a good idea to ask a question...
[01:49] <mystikalone> I had some free space left over
[01:49] <waylandbill> ok. and you made a parition in it to be used to install to?
[01:49] <mystikalone> and I've been told to make a extended space after making a primary for ubuntu, but I think i'm limited to just 1 extended space
[01:50] <waylandbill> what partitions do you have on there now?
[01:50] <chavo> yettenet, not really you can use amarok sidebar in konqueror or you can try some of the amarok widgets for superkaramba
[01:50] <yettenet> :(
[01:50] <yettenet> Thanks
[01:51] <kerric> postscript printing works :]
[01:51] <mystikalone> I have 2 Primary, 6 in a extended
[01:51] <kerric> thx duude :]
[01:51] <mystikalone> 1st primary is XP, second primary I'll be using for Ubuntu
[01:52] <waylandbill> mystikalone: you don't need extended then. That's just if you need more than 4 partitions.
[01:52] <mystikalone> so all I need is  '/' ?
[01:52] <waylandbill> mystikalone: you may want a 3rd for swap if you have limited memory though.
[01:54] <koyo001> i have a question
[01:54] <mystikalone> waylandbill: would a screenshot of the mess I have help out?
[01:54] <waylandbill> I guess it can't hurt
[01:54] <koyo001> mplayer
[01:54] <genii> kerric np
[01:55] <koyo001> does it have features like fwd and rwd
[01:55] <saunders> will VLC player play back bit torrent movies/films people?
[01:55] <waylandbill> mystikalone: what are you using those 6 in the extended for?
[01:56] <saunders> :)?
[01:56] <genii> kerric Getting the scanner part to work could be problemmatic
[01:56] <mystikalone> waylandbill: I use them for saving music and applications in Windows
[01:56] <saunders> will vlc play back movies  from bitorrent?
[01:56] <waylandbill> mystikalone: ok
[01:56] <yettenet> saunders: It usually doesn't matter where do you get your movies from
[01:56] <Johny_> !search man
[01:56] <ubotu> Found: ops-#xubuntu-offtopic, german, burners, reiserfs, browsers, xdmcp, samba, uuid, plugins-#ubuntu-effects, smartbootmanager
[01:56] <yettenet> It depends on the movie's codec
[01:56] <yettenet> I mean
[01:56] <yettenet> Compreassion
[01:57] <saunders> mininova
[01:57] <yettenet> ...
[01:57] <mystikalone> waylandbill: http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3295/snapshot2tu2.png
[01:57] <saunders> or www.terrentz.com
[01:57] <kerric> genii i don't need scaner, but i had to install printer @ work :]
[01:57] <kerric> cause i'm ambitious and i'm the only one which has kubuntu as first os :]
[01:57] <Johny_> is there any way to "translate" the Man files into a language other than english?
[01:58] <genii> kerric Ah OK :) Perhaps you will recruit kubuntu converts LOL
[01:58] <kerric> i don't think so :]
[01:58] <kerric> they rather prefer xp :']
[01:58] <waylandbill> mystikalone: that looks okay. /dev/sda3 will be the root.
[01:58] <kerric> even our admin which has few debian servers is using xp :]
[01:59] <waylandbill> mystikalone: is that what your plan is?
[01:59] <mystikalone> waylandbill: yes
[02:00] <koyo001> is there info on mplayer somewhere
[02:00] <yettenet> mplayerhq.com?
[02:00] <koyo001> i need to know how to fwd this shit
[02:00] <yettenet> :P
[02:00] <koyo001> sorry for the language
[02:00] <yettenet> With cursor arrows
[02:00] <Johny_> koyo001: whole documentation is there
[02:00] <koyo001> really
[02:00] <waylandbill> mystikalone: you should be good to go. with that scheme
[02:00] <genii> kerric Well, I admit to using XP quite often. I ssh from there to my linux boxes to do work since they generally do not have some graphical interface to them
[02:00] <Johny_> !mplayer |koyo001
[02:00] <ubotu> koyo001: mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[02:01] <yettenet> koyo001: Right/Left arrow - 10 sec forward/backwards
[02:01] <yettenet> Up/down: 1 min
[02:01] <yettenet> Pgup/pgdown: 10 mins
[02:01] <mystikalone> waylandbill: So all I need is "/" and nothing more?
[02:01] <koyo001> cool
[02:01] <koyo001> thanks alot
[02:01] <yettenet> Try pressing "O" if you want to know where you are in the movie
[02:02] <kerric> genii and i want to make all od xp possiblities under ubuntu :]
[02:02] <yettenet> If you want to turn volume up/down, use 9/0 or "/"and"*" on the numeric keyboard
[02:02] <yettenet> Fullscreen is "F"
[02:02] <kerric> genii: and almost all of problems which i had i managed to solve
[02:02] <yettenet> You'll get the others in time
[02:03] <kerric> ganii: but there is one more :]
[02:03] <waylandbill> mystikalone: it is up to you if you want swap. depends on RAM you have
[02:03] <kerric> ganii: do u know how to connect to vpn which works on sbs2k ?
[02:04] <genii> kerric Cool :) Perhaps if you tell the puzzle there may be a solution available
[02:04] <kishore> hi all
[02:04] <mystikalone> waylandbill: I have 2 gigs, but having a swap wouldn't hurt
[02:04] <kishore> i am using kde-desktop
[02:04] <yettenet> So do we...
[02:04] <yettenet> :)
[02:04] <kishore> unable to install yakuake
[02:04] <kishore> a handy console
[02:05] <yettenet> I use "kuake"
[02:05] <yettenet> :P
[02:05] <yettenet> That's handy as well
[02:05] <waylandbill> mystikalone: I guess it depends on what you are doing.
[02:06] <kishore> when trieng to install i am gettin an error...
[02:06] <kishore> unmet dependencies
[02:06] <waylandbill> 2 gig should be enough on it's own unless youre doing some serious mem usage
[02:07] <mystikalone> waylandbill: well, ok thanks
[02:14] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:17] <genii> kerric Does the vpn use ipsec or ppptp ?
[02:17] <genii> pptp sorry
[02:18] <genii> bleh need coffee LOL
[02:18] <kerric> pptp
[02:20] <genii> kerric You have Feisty or Edgy or what?
[02:21] <kerric> edgy
[02:22] <genii> This site shows for feisty but also has some other useful info on the entire subject. http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-ubuntu.phtml
[02:23] <kerric> thx :)
[02:23] <genii> kerric Glad to help
[02:28] <steveire> hey. /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so exists, but when I scan for plugins in konquerer only the flash plugin is found. I have sun-java6-plugin installed.
[02:28] <waylandbill> steveire: is that directory in konq's list?
[02:29] <steveire> waylandbill: Yep.
[02:29] <waylandbill> and you rescanned I assume
[02:30] <waylandbill> oh yeah. you said you did. :-)
[02:31] <frojnd> does anyone here uses us keyboard layout: how can I get letter "`"
[02:32] <spawn57> key next to 1
[02:32] <spawn57> `
[02:32] <Kite_DH> how to make .tar archives?
[02:33] <frojnd> spawn57: I have  rpoblems with this key when I am in counter strake game..
[02:33] <frojnd> here I can use it next to 1
[02:33] <frojnd> but in game it doesn't work :s
[02:33] <waylandbill> steveire: mine looks to be doing the same. I only see libflash in the list.
[02:33] <spawn57> frojnd: different keyboard layout in teh game?
[02:34] <chavo> Kite_DH, tar cf directoryname.tar directoryname, or use the right click menu in konq
[02:34] <frojnd> spawn57:  no, in the hame is US... it worked for me  when I have windows..
[02:34] <frojnd> hame = game
[02:34] <steveire> waylandbill: http://www.eserc.stonybrook.edu/ProjectJava/Bragg/ Does the applet there load?
[02:34] <steveire> My about:plugins lists java capability, but does not load the applet.
[02:34] <waylandbill> nope.
[02:35] <spawn57> not sure then =\ sorry man
[02:37] <braneq> hello. talk here someone in SK or CZ language?
[02:37] <Blued0g> hey
[02:37] <Blued0g> anybody know why xirc might not work behind a proxy/firewall, but gaim and mirc are fine?
[02:37] <Blued0g> it connects but i cant send/receive messages
[02:38] <waylandbill> steveire: change the java executable path in the java page to /usr/bin/java and it works.
[02:39] <braneq> nobody? damn. ok, i need some info about kubuntu 6.10
[02:39] <steveire> thanks.
[02:40] <steveire> waylandbill: How'd you figure that out?
[02:40] <steveire> braneq: What is your quest?
[02:40] <braneq> steveire:  looking for the monitor/display settings
[02:41] <steveire> Ok. What do you want to change?
[02:41] <braneq> steveire: but in system options in nothing like that
[02:41] <waylandbill> I looked at that page, then did a 'which java' and typed it in. Not sure why just 'in the path' somewhere didn't work. Maybe a miswired signal/slot made it seem unconfigured or something.
[02:41] <Danker> Hi
[02:41] <Danker> How do I force unload of kernel driver?
[02:41] <waylandbill> It may be that the java was installed at a later time. don't know.
[02:41] <Danker> It says it is currently in use....
[02:42] <waylandbill> Danker: rmmod
[02:42] <clarissa> how to login as root to install software through apt-get install ? cant go admin with su command
[02:42] <Danker> thanks ;)
[02:42] <steveire> braneq: What are you trying to change
[02:42] <steveire> ?
[02:42] <chavo> !sudo | clarissa
[02:42] <ubotu> clarissa: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:43] <clarissa> chavo: thx :) mh sad that su is away now ^^" i mean as command
[02:43] <Blued0g> hey guys, i just updated my kernel thru ubuntu update...
[02:43] <Blued0g> how do i remove the old one from the boot menu?
[02:43] <Blued0g> is it ok to leave it on the system?
[02:43] <waylandbill> clarissa: sudo -s if you want more than one command.
[02:43] <clarissa> waylandbill: more than one command? what do you mean?
[02:43] <chavo> clarissa, you can enable the root account but it's not recommended
[02:44] <waylandbill> clarissa: sudo -s  gives equiv as su (sudo command only does a single command)
[02:44] <darx> ciao
[02:44] <clarissa> ah i see
[02:44] <Danker> How to know who is using module?
[02:44] <darx> ce qualke italiano?
[02:44] <clarissa> woah complicated @.@
[02:44] <waylandbill> remember to log out of it though or someone has full root access.
[02:44] <darx> help me :(
[02:44] <waylandbill> that's one bonus of sudo since it times out.
[02:44] <darx> pls
[02:44] <darx> :O
[02:44] <steveire> Blued0g: You can use aptitude/adept to remove the old kernel. That will also clean up the menu.
[02:45] <clarissa> why removed su for login (terminal way) as root? :)
[02:45] <waylandbill> security issues
[02:45] <clarissa> ah i see o.o
[02:45] <braneq> steveire: monitor resolution. yes, i might xorg.conf (i was do that), but i miss that. in dapper was all ok.
[02:46] <darx> who send me his sources.list?????
[02:46] <darx> :(
[02:46] <steveire> !it
[02:46] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:46] <clarissa> mh okay sudo seems to be usable its just ive learned to work with su okay um where can i install software? need midnight commander (shortly mc as package)
[02:46] <braneq> steveire: sorry for my very bad english...:P
[02:47] <waylandbill> clarissa: you can enable the root account by doing 'sudo passwd' but I would recommend using sudo
[02:47] <waylandbill> clarissa: adept, aptitude, apt-get etc.
[02:47] <clarissa> apt-get install mc said that it cant find mc:)
[02:48] <waylandbill> !universe
[02:48] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:48] <stdin> clarissa: you need to enable universe
[02:48] <clarissa> okay it seems to get really complicated :(
[02:52] <steveire> clarissa: Why do you want mc?
[02:52] <clarissa> steveire: cause i love mc to edit things or browse through folders :)
[02:52] <clarissa> or to copy stuff:)
[02:53] <darx> come faccio a andarein ubuntu.it mi devo registreare??
[03:00] <waylandbill> clarissa: you know that in Konqueror's split view mode, you can use F7 to copy or F8 to move?
[03:00] <fir3> hi
[03:01] <fir3> someone knows how i can get sound previews in konqueror working again?
[03:01] <clarissa> waylandbill mh nope didnt knew that but i prefer mc after all
[03:02] <waylandbill> clarissa: I figured you're used to mc. :)
[03:02] <clarissa> yep :)
[03:04] <ines> ???
[03:05] <clarissa> in xorg.conf i can see identifier "VIA technologies, inc. vt8623 [Apollo CLE266]  integrated CastleRock graphics"   and beyond that  Driver "via"   does that mean my graphic has 3D and is running well? :)
[03:07] <Danker> How do i kill "unkillable" process?
[03:07] <ines> ???
[03:07] <Danker> kill -9 doesn't work...
[03:07] <waylandbill> clarissa: 3d can be told with "glxinfo | grep render"
[03:07] <ines> les jours passent mais sa ne compte pas j'ai ten de mal a vivre
[03:08] <chavo> Danker, try kill -12
[03:08] <ines> ivre de se parfum si diffrent du tien
[03:08] <ines> pire
[03:08] <ines> lol
[03:08] <ines> ^^
[03:09] <clarissa> waylandbill it says libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x46    direct rendering: Yes   OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI CastleRock (CLE266) 20060710 is that okay or something to fix?
[03:09] <waylandbill> !fr | ines
[03:09] <ubotu> ines: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:10] <Danker> chavo: nothing...
[03:10] <waylandbill> clarissa: I'm not sure what the warning means. You've got 3d though.
[03:11] <mimmolinux> nessun italiano?
[03:11] <clarissa> ah cool :D mh i think i never will switch distribution now again i stay at this here xD doesnt matter for updates i need 3D acceleration and this kubuntu distri is the first linux distribution what gives me 3D on the fly :)
[03:15] <clarissa> waylandbill: um is there any tutorial how to install beryl now? (since my videochip isnt nvidia or ati and i never used kubuntu before i dont know how it works here)
[03:15] <waylandbill> clarissa: all my attempts to run beryl under kubuntu have failed horribly, so I'm not the best to ask.
[03:16] <chavo> clarissa, what video card do you have?
[03:16] <cryptom> I installed edubuntu-desktop and shortly after that deinstalled again on a ltsp-server. But I still see the edubuntu logon-screen. how do i get rid of that?
[03:16] <clarissa> chavo: my notebook has VIA CLE266 CastleRock IGP (integrated graphics processor)
[03:17] <chavo> ok not sure about VIA
[03:17] <stdin> cryptom: if you are on edgy+ then you can do "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[03:17] <chavo> I know with my intel chip in my laptop it works out of the box with the intel driver
[03:17] <clarissa> chavo: i have direct rendering enabled on the fly here so i only need to know how to run beryl at it ^^"
[03:18] <chavo> clarissa, which kubuntu version?
[03:18] <cryptom> stdin, thanks, I removed (purged) edubuntu-desktop with aptitude which automatically removed all depending packages
[03:18] <clarissa> chavo: newest one downloaded dvd yesterday :)
[03:19] <chavo> clarissa, is it edgy?
[03:19] <cryptom> stdin, but that didnt help
[03:19] <stdin> cryptom: do you still see the option to login to edubuntu, or just the gdm theme?
[03:19] <clarissa> chavo: yes i think so :)
[03:19] <chavo> clarissa, cat /etc/issue
[03:19] <Danker> Where's is a file where is stored what modules will be loaded on boot?
[03:20] <stdin> Danker: /etc/modules
[03:20] <clarissa> chavo: Ubuntu 6.10 \n \l
[03:20] <Danker> There's only a few lines ....
[03:20] <cavallo> hi
[03:20] <Danker> Nothing good to remove :)
[03:20] <Danker> cavallo: hi :)
[03:21] <chavo> clarissa, http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=51 here's a link to explain hot to get beryl
[03:21] <stdin> Danker: other modules are loaded by the kernel after detecting what hardware you have
[03:21] <cavallo> why I cant get my resolution to 1400x1024 ? I have modified xorg.conf and set in the default detph this resolution but nothing happens :/
[03:21] <clarissa> chavo: thank you :)
[03:22] <Danker> stdin: How should i disable 'some' modules loading?
[03:22] <cryptom> stdin, its not gdm, I use ltsp which means they use ldm. I still see the edubuntu-background-image, but its no longer in the session list
[03:22] <genii> cavallo Please pastebin your xorg.conf
[03:23] <stdin> Danker: blacklist them, in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[03:23] <Danker> thanks :)
[03:23] <stdin> cryptom: hmm, yeah, forgot about ldm
[03:24] <cavallo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6869/
[03:24] <stdin> cryptom: maybe ask in #edubuntu , they are bound to know more about it than me
[03:25] <cryptom> ok, thanks
[03:25] <genii> cavallo reading
[03:25] <incorrect> are there packages of kde themes,  the default ones are dull
[03:25] <cryptom> stdin, maybe I found it: symlink pointing to a no longer existing edubuntu directory
[03:26] <stdin> cryptom: removing the packages should remove that, but if it didn't can you please report a bug on it?
[03:26] <stdin> !theme | incorrect
[03:26] <ubotu> incorrect: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[03:27] <incorrect> i am lazy :) i wanted packaged themes
[03:27] <stdin> incorrect: you just download them and install them (from system settings) it's not difficult :)
[03:28] <incorrect> oh but im still too lazy :D
[03:28] <cryptom> the strange thing is: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/alternatives/ldm-theme points to /usr/share/ldm/themes/Edubuntu (which does not exist), but there is no /usr/share/ldm/ at all! And I surely did not set this link manually (and I still have ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed)
[03:28] <Jucato>  !changethemes | incorrect
[03:28] <ubotu> incorrect: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[03:28] <incorrect> apt-get install lazylazylazy :D
[03:30] <stdin> cryptom: that dir is made by installing the ldm package, and would have been removed by uninstalling it
[03:30] <stdin> incorrect: you forgot sudo :P
[03:30] <incorrect> i don't sudo
[03:30] <genii> cavallo Are you sure it is 1400x1050 and not 1440x1050 that you want?
[03:30] <incorrect> i sudo -i 'd a long time ago
[03:31] <Blued0g> i just updated to kernel .11 via kubuntu update, now i have 2 linuxes in my grub menu
[03:31] <Blued0g> how can i remove one?
[03:31] <Blued0g> and should i remove the old kernel?
[03:31] <cavallo> genii: not shure :P
[03:31] <clarissa> chavo: http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=51  did that but at step 3 it says that it cant find package beryl
[03:31] <jhutchins> Blued0g: It's a good idea to keep at least one old kernel around for a while, to make sure that everything's working correctly with the new one.
[03:32] <Jucato> Blued0g: you can uninstall the other kernel just like a regular package. but jhutchins' advice is correct
[03:32] <genii> cavallo OK I will make a new file and then make a backup the old one then replace it with the new one I will give. If it is unsuccessful you can revert back after
[03:32] <Blued0g> ok guys, thanks :)
[03:32] <Blued0g> is there a way to take the old one from grub, or is it safer to leave it there?
[03:32] <stdin> Blued0g: you don't have to remove it, but you can if you want to, just remove the version from adept. The package is "linux-image-(version)-generic (if it's the -generic kernel)
[03:33] <Blued0g> awesome
[03:33] <cavallo> genii: ok
[03:33] <Jucato> Blued0g: if you remove it from menu.lst, it would defeat the purpose of keeping it installed :)
[03:33] <Danker> " i/o port 0x03f8 already in use". How should i know who is using it?
[03:33] <Blued0g> yeah lol i just realised that =D
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy :)
[03:33] <Blued0g> On a side note, I'm on the generic kernel, what are the alternatives?
[03:34] <HymnToLife> Jucato, or maybe boot it manually with the GRUB shell to impress his friends :p
[03:34] <Blued0g> Generic sounds like its not fine tuned for anything in specific, but maybe im reading it wrong
[03:34] <Jucato> !generic | Blued0g
[03:34] <ubotu> Blued0g: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[03:34] <Jucato> Blued0g: on the contrary, it's fine tuned for almost everything :)
[03:34] <cryptom> stdin, you are right, that package was not installed, but how was it removed, I only purged edubuntu-desktop with kubuntu- und ubuntu-desktop still installed
[03:34] <Blued0g> cool, cheers :D
[03:35] <genii> cavallo I have made the new one. But first copy the old one to some name like xorg.conf.orig and then I will give you the pastebin for the new one
[03:36] <Blued0g> hmm, still got issues with xirc, im in gaim at the moment
[03:36] <Blued0g> xirc connects but doenst send/receive messages... anybody know much about it?
[03:36] <Blued0g> I'm behind a proxy/firewall, but mirc and gaim work fine..
[03:37] <genii> cavallo Did you back up the file you have yet?
[03:37] <cavallo> yes
[03:37] <genii> cavallo OK http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6870/
[03:37] <mona> ???
[03:38] <mona> d
[03:38] <incorrect> which is better? superkaramba or karamba
[03:39] <mona> j'en connait aucun des 2 dsl
[03:39] <stdin> cryptom: probably because edubuntu-desktop depended on it, and when you purged it, you removed it's dependencies
[03:39] <BluesKaj> !fr | mona
[03:39] <ubotu> mona: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:41] <genii> cavallo After the change you can restart the xserver with ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:41] <pCarsten> i have a danish keyboard set up with no dead keys, which works fine most of the time .. but now I need to compose german characters like u-umlaut. any idea how to do this?
[03:41] <Jucato> incorrect: there no longer is a "Karamba". it's Superkaramba now
[03:41] <cavallo> genii: ok
[03:41] <Danker> " i/o port 0x03f8 already in use". How should i know who is using it? Which modules or something is using it?
[03:41] <BluesKaj> !keyboard
[03:41] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[03:42] <genii> Danker Thats your serial port 1
[03:42] <Forge> hmmm disk space again
[03:43] <Danker> Yap, but what program/modules is using it?
[03:45] <naph> hi, i've got a really strange networking problem that i just can't find any information on.  my internet connection is fine, but i'm having a few problems from some apps.  kcheckgmail can't connect, and amarok's last.fm service and podcasts don't work.  if i amp off startkde so kdm is still going though everything is fine!  can anyone help?
[03:45] <genii> Danker Do you have some UPS control software like apcupsd or external dialup modem program installed perhaps? Both of those would
[03:45] <neil> hey
[03:46] <naph> i've tried googling around for help on my problem, but just can't think of how to describe it to a search engine, ya know?
[03:46] <genii> cavallo Were you able to get the 1440 resolution?
[03:46] <Danker> I dont think so...
[03:47] <waylandbill> naph: name lookup problem, firewall blocking ports, could be different things.
[03:49] <naph> waylandbill: but it works fine if i start kde abnormally, i can't understand what could be different?  (i don't run a firewall)
[03:49] <genii> Danker Please pastebin results of lsmod
[03:49] <naph> (abnormally means amping it off like i said, which i found out by mistake)
[03:49] <dominik> hello guys
[03:51] <naph> can anyone give me some suggestions on how to go about debugging this problem?  i've checked syslog and dmesg and found nothing...
[03:52] <genii> cavallo Still here?
[03:54] <waylandbill> naph: hard to say without knowing exactly what part of the program is getting a network error. you could try running the program in a console and see if it outputs anything useful.
[03:54] <naph> waylandbill: yeah i've tried that already but the most useful thing i've found is just "cannot connect"...  i'm completely out of ideas, it's such a strange one!
[03:55] <waylandbill> there's not a command line switch for more debug info for the program?
[03:56] <naph> i've tried compiling amarok with full debugging info but got nothing...
[03:57] <naph> is there any way kde effects networking when it starts/stops?
[03:57] <Forge> brb
[03:59] <naph> OMG!  i just fixed it.  i've recently upgraded to feisty and just noticed this new wireless manager thing.  so i just turned it off and bam!  bizarre...  sorry for wasting ur time, thanks for the help!
[04:02] <NSCAD_Nathan> Hey, trying to get firewire working (both DV cam and hdd) ae there any good howtos out there?
[04:02] <eric_> what services could I disable to free up RAM?
[04:03] <Jucato> !ram | eric_
[04:03] <ubotu> eric_: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[04:04] <BluesKaj> I would like to move a seldom used icon/program into the kmenu/applications list ... I tried using the kde menu editor but that just adds it to the list but doesn't remove the prog from the desktop , which seems to be the default location ...any ideas?
[04:04] <Jucato> eric_: you don't need to. Linux is very smart in handling RAM
[04:04] <eric_> hmmm
[04:04] <eric_> ok
[04:06] <raylu> BluesKaj, why would it? Can't you just delete the icon from the desktop?
[04:07] <eric_> its annoying how the icons are so big lol
[04:07] <raylu> In...Konquerer?
[04:07] <eric_> can you change the size of them?
[04:07] <eric_> oh the desktop
[04:08] <fiyawerx> anyone know how to tell what device your bluetooth adapter is? Like in the way an ethernet card can be 'eth0'
[04:09] <BluesKaj> raylu , no it's not a "shortcut"
[04:09] <stdin> eric_: System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons -> Advanced
[04:09] <raylu> eric_, System Settings > Appearance > Icons
[04:09] <raylu> lol
[04:09] <stdin> I win :)
[04:09] <sharon> goededag allemaal
[04:10] <raylu> BluesKaj, you installed a program to your desktop?
[04:10] <eric_> ahh
[04:10] <eric_> yes thats better
[04:11] <eric_> thanks
[04:11] <BluesKaj> nope that's the way it installed
[04:11] <cavallo> genii: sorry for long replay. I was outside and I have sended file to my frined which one have this problem and he have tryed it and its still the same :/ Nothing changed
[04:12] <waylandbill> the executable installed to your desktop or a folder on it our something similar?
[04:14] <BluesKaj> waylandbill, looks that way
[04:15] <genii> cavallo Ah, OK. It would help greatly to know the exact model of the monitor and the exact amount of memory the video card has if possible
[04:15] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: and you want a menu entry for it but don't want it on the desktop anymore?
[04:15] <raylu> BluesKaj, what program is this anyway?
[04:17] <BluesKaj> waylandbill, correct
[04:17] <cavallo> genii: its laptop. I will ask for graphic card memory
[04:18] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: you're going to have to put the files somewhere beside the desktop and then make the menu entry. The menu isn't a file system location to hold your program.
[04:18] <genii> cavallo OK
[04:18] <Johny_> !pastebin | Johny_
[04:18] <BluesKaj> waylandbill, yes i realize that , but thought someone might know trick  :)
[04:20] <dominik> hi, can someone tell me how to configure kmail to connect to hotmail?
[04:20] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: nope. no trick. :)
[04:21] <stdin> !hotmail
[04:21] <ubotu> If you must use this microsoft product, consider hotway: hotwayd/hotsmtpd are POP3/SMTP-HTTPMail gateway daemons, also works for lycos spray and msn
[04:22] <dominik> hmm
[04:23] <waylandbill> switch to gmail. ;-)
[04:23] <stdin> yep
[04:23] <dominik> it looks like I can't use kmail for hotmail then...
[04:23] <waylandbill> you can. you just need extra software to make the conversions is all.
[04:24] <stdin> M$ have made it very difficult to use anything but outlook (and express) with hotmail
[04:24] <esaym> Ok I got a funny question
[04:24] <dominik> well, for beginers like myself, its hard to install extra softare just to configure email client!
[04:25] <Jucato> the problem would probably be on hotmail's side... (lack of free POP3)
[04:25] <stdin> dominik: blame MS, they are the one using non-standard ways to deliver email (spam)
[04:25] <esaym> A week or so ago I added /windows and /windows2 as a mount point in my fstab.  Now even though I have deleted those entries in fstab when I browse / in konqueror the windows and windows2 folders still show up and if I deleted them they come back
[04:25] <esaym> so what is adding them?
[04:26] <Jucato> esaym: you deleted the folders as well?
[04:26] <BluesKaj> dominik, well kmail is infinitely more difficult to configure than thunderbird ...stick with T-bird if yer gonna use yer ISP mail server
[04:27] <esaym> yea I can delete /windows and /windows2 but if I click refresh or anything they just come back
[04:27] <dominik> well, I guess I have to switch to gmail finally...and give my new email address to my friends
[04:27] <stdin> esaym: are you trying to delete them as the normal user, or root (sudo/kdesu) ?
[04:27] <esaym> hmm, let me try root
[04:28] <stdin> esaym: make sure they are empty first, don't want to accidentally delete any data
[04:28] <genii> cavallo Still here?
[04:28] <esaym> ok deleted them as root worked!  Thank you stdin
[04:29] <esaym> I would have never thought of that
[04:29] <Jucato> esaym: next time, check who owns the file/folder when you encounter problems like these
[04:29] <dominik> i have another question, how do I switch off the GUI of my computer when I just want to run it as a server ???
[04:29] <stdin> esaym: no problem, just remember, to delete/modify anything outside of your home directory, you need to be the super-user
[04:30] <esaym> Juncato: yea I didn't think of that either
[04:30] <cavallo> genii: yes
[04:30] <Jucato> hehehe @ juncato :)
[04:30] <stdin> dominik: just switch to a console (Ctrl-Alt-F1), login, and kill kdm (sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop)
[04:31] <Jucato> esaym: another tip: to easily complete names in IRC (most IRC clients), type a few letters, then press Tab :)
[04:31] <genii> cavallo Another xorg.conf altered to try that I just made: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6873/
[04:31] <Jucato> esaym: saves on typing and spelling :D
[04:31] <dominik> stdin: if I later want the GUI to come up, how do I do it?
[04:31] <HymnToLife> dominik, same thing with start
[04:31] <stdin> the printed symbol on my tab key is beginning to ware out :P
[04:32] <esaym> Jucato: is see how nice!  Sorry I mis-spelled you the other time ;)
[04:32] <stdin> dominik: same command, except replace 'stop' with 'start', like: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[04:32] <dominik> stdin: thanks a lot
[04:33] <genii> cavallo There was an error in your very original xorg.conf that I did not catch the first time, which is that your video card tries to use a monitor name that does not exist in the file
[04:33] <stdin> dominik: no problem :)
[04:33] <Jucato> esaym: no worries :)
[04:33] <esaym> Opps I missed typed again.  Thats supposed to read " I see"
[04:33] <esaym> not "is see"
[04:33] <renato> hi, has anyone in here any experience of setting up postfix?
[04:34] <stdin> esaym: if you use Konversation, you can use spell check too :)
[04:34] <fdoving> renato: yes. i have.
[04:34] <stdin> * probably in other too
[04:34] <esaym> stdin: Yea I got spell checking enabled
[04:34] <renato> fdoving, by any chance did you use postgres as a backend?
[04:34] <fdoving> renato: no.
[04:35] <renato> tx anyway
[04:35] <fdoving> renato: postfix.org have freat documentation.
[04:35] <genii> renato I have setup postfix+cyrus sasl2 with postgres as backend but on freebsd before
[04:36] <renato> genii I get weired errors like:
[04:36] <renato> irtual_alias_maps map lookup problem for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>where eudealers is the virtual domain and massimo is just a test user
[04:37] <renato> any now and then I also get this problem , which could be the root couse: warning: connect to pgsql server localhost: SSL SYSCALL error: No such file or directory?
[04:37] <genii> renato did you do a postalias command after changing the virtual aliases files?
[04:37] <raylu> BluesKaj, did you ever get your issue resolved?
[04:37] <renato> as far as I know the virtual aliases are stored in the  database, not in a file
[04:39] <genii> renato Did you setup a db for it with the pgadmin stuff with some password for the pgsql user?
[04:40] <cavallo> genii: are you shure ? it was "Generic Monitor" ....  I think they were the same
[04:40] <renato> genii, I did, I have been following this guide: http://codepoets.co.uk/docs/postfix_postgresql_postfixadmin_courier_howto which is tailored on dapper, but it should not be all that different in edgy
[04:41] <genii> cavallo No, that is not the name you need to use there, you need to use "monitor1" because that is the handle (or name) that Generic Monitor is called
[04:41] <genii> cavallo Anyhow, I fixed it all in that last pastebin for you
[04:42] <BluesKaj> raylu, no , but i'm still trying stuff :)
[04:42] <raylu> BluesKaj, what was it that you installed anyway? I disconnected before you answered
[04:43] <BluesKaj> raylu, it's an iso converter proggy : AcetoneISO
[04:43] <genii> renato As a sidenote you should know that postgres and postfix both refuse to run as root
[04:43] <surgy> krdc will not establish a connection to another kubuntu box running on my lan
[04:43] <BluesKaj> works well tho
[04:43] <surgy> hi genii how did you nerbie video project turn out?
[04:44] <raylu> BluesKaj, what are you converting from/to?
[04:44] <genii> surgy I'm still trying to get the separate boxes synched, there seems to be some weirdness with them losing clock time and getting messedup for some reason :(
[04:45] <renato> genii postgres is running just fine, I am using it for other applications, I went to the postfix config file ( do not remember the name now) and I modified it for not runnning as root, maybe I have been unsuccessful on this
[04:45] <genii> surgy And yes, using a tick server
[04:45] <surgy> genii: cmos batteries?
[04:46] <surgy> genii: do you mind helping me with krdc?
[04:46] <genii> surgy I am suspecting the quality of electricity in the house now actually
[04:46] <raylu> Holy crap, BluesKaj, this program owns.
[04:46] <raylu> I have to run now, but I'm definitely recommending this to my friend when I get back; thanks!
[04:46] <surgy> genii: even with power failure a good cmos battery will hold clock data for a year
[04:46] <BluesKaj> raylu, from mdf to iso
[04:47] <raylu> There's a tool in one of the repositories for that, BluesKaj
[04:47] <raylu> called mdf2iso
[04:47] <genii> surgy I used a multimeter to find out my wall juice seems to be wavering off of 60Hz for some reason
[04:48] <elcuco> does speedcrunch have modulus support?
[04:48] <surgy> genii: yeeah mine does that too.... i got a good rack mount power conditioner off ebay for $45 it has a simple circuit that keeps the voltage hertz ohms and watts constant
[04:48] <jhutchins> genii: You have a multimeter with frequency counting?
[04:49] <|DeMolay|> ya he vuelto
[04:49] <jhutchins> genii: The 60hz standard is pretty rigid, it would take some pretty wierd conditions to get much variance.
[04:49] <genii> jhutchins Well, it is partially a scope (Fluke)
[04:49] <jhutchins> genii: They run clocks on 60hz synchromotors, and the clocks keep very good time.
[04:50] <surgy> can someone help me get a krdc connection with a computer on my lan?
[04:50] <BluesKaj> raylu, what tool ?
[04:50] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: mdf2iso
[04:51] <waylandbill> surgy: what are you having trouble with? did you run krfb or vnc or something?
[04:51] <BluesKaj> thx, jhutchins
[04:51] <jhutchins> genii: I would suspect the reading before I suspected the actual wall current frequency, but a UPS with line conditioning would be a good idea anyway.
[04:52] <jhutchins> genii: Then again, if you're running a laptop you only need surge protection.
[04:52] <surgy> waylandbill: well i ran ifconfig on the computer receiving the connection to get the ip and then i went to the computer that is trying to connect opened krdc and entered the computers lan ip and the "connect" button will not light up
[04:53] <waylandbill> surgy you need the display number (:0) by default.
[04:53] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, "acetoneiso" works very well for all kinds of image files , not just the alky120% variety
[04:53] <surgy> waylandbill: can you give me an example please?
[04:53] <genii> jhutchins The boxes I have on an APC BackUPS 500 seem to be fine, just the ones running off of wall current
[04:53] <BluesKaj> bbiab ...chores to do
[04:53] <waylandbill> surgy: <IP_ADDRESS>:0
[04:53] <surgy> genii: run them all off the ups
[04:53] <genii> surgy I can't help you much with the krdc stuff, sorry :(
[04:54] <surgy> waylandbill: Connection failed. No server running at the given address and port.
[04:54] <surgy> waylandbill: i used <IP_ADDRESS>:0
[04:54] <waylandbill> surgy: what server program are you using? krfb?
[04:55] <surgy> waylandbill: none i assumed krdc had a built in server running allready by defualt on kde
[04:55] <waylandbill> surgy: no. krdc is the client. you need to run a server on the other end.
[04:56] <surgy> waylandbill: so just run krfb on the other machine and i should be good?
[04:57] <pointywoody> running feisty herd4 here - got a question about knetworkmanager: Will it only support WEP or will WPA also be supported?
[04:57] <waylandbill> surgy: yes. or any VNC or RDP server. krfb is really made for over the internet rather than the lan.
[04:58] <waylandbill> surgy: looking in adept or using apt-cache to find the search term "vnc" will show several choices for a vnc server.
[04:59] <surgy> waylandbill: i have some experience with realvnc
[04:59] <surgy> for windows
[04:59] <stdin> posingaspopular: for questions about feisty, ask in #ubuntu+1 or #kubuntu-devel please
[05:00] <waylandbill> surgy: that would be 'vncserver' package
[05:00] <surgy> waylandbill: ok i started krfb and im now stuck at authenticating, i got the pw from the krfb invite....... but it never asked me to enter it, and also it whould be nice if i could just run the server as a background process on the other computer and have a 24/7 invitation where i could always connect and remote control the computer
[05:01] <waylandbill> surgy: then you want vncserver.
[05:01] <waylandbill> surgy: as I said. krfb is geared toward temporary internet connections.
[05:01] <surgy> waylandbill: will that run invisable? and where do i tell krdc what the password is?
[05:03] <waylandbill> surgy: it will ask during authentication. vncserver can be set up invisible, but is very easy to open a console and get it running.
[05:03] <surgy> waylandbill: kewl i got it running now
[05:04] <surgy> next problem......... I need a program that acts close to outlook express and caneasily intereact with the real outlook express
[05:04] <waylandbill> surgy: there's ways to get it to run automatically off xinetd with xdmcp to get multiple instances going.
[05:04] <jhutchins> Of course you can just do X forwarding, especially if it's a lan connection.
[05:05] <genii> renato Still here?
[05:05] <waylandbill> surgy: what do you mean by "interact with" ?
[05:05] <renato> yes, I went to the postfix config file
[05:06] <soulrider> !vmware
[05:06] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[05:06] <renato> and as advised I turned into "non root" all processes charooted in there
[05:06] <surgy> waylandbill: as in not have anyproblems, my mother is going to school online and they require outlook express for all students
[05:06] <soulrider> !es
[05:06] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:07] <surgy> waylandbill: if all students use it she will need a program that she can use so that she can easily interact with them the same as if she was on outlook express
[05:07] <waylandbill> surgy: you mean they need to fetch and send email?
[05:08] <renato> I am checking sending mile to one account
[05:08] <surgy> waylandbill: yes but it has to be close if not exact to outlook
[05:08] <surgy> waylandbill: can i run outlook through wine?
[05:08] <genii> renato Good, it is much safer and also the system expects it to run this way.
[05:08] <waylandbill> surgy: thunderbird and kmail are very close. (much safer even)
[05:09] <renato> genii, I wonder who is the ubuntu manteiner wh left about 10 processes charooted at this point!
[05:09] <surgy> waylandbill: she is trying to convert to linux and im trying to make it as easy as possible for her
[05:09] <waylandbill> surgy: I personally use thunderbird and put thunderbird on most of the windows computers here.
[05:09] <genii> renato Heh, I do not know but it is not that good practice
[05:09] <renato> genii where is specified what host, username and password postfix will log in with?
[05:10] <Bxnp> when is kubuntu fixing the qt problems, sight
[05:10] <surgy> waylandbill: and they have no problems if a bit of information is sent from outlook to thunderbird client?
[05:10] <waylandbill> surgy: IIRC mozilla's website has pointers for OE users switching to TB.
[05:10] <genii> renato It has been a while :) Let me go find out
[05:11] <waylandbill> surgy: no pop/imap/smtp/mime are all standard. shouldn't be any problem.
[05:11] <surgy> waylandbill: ok what about her outlook user identity? will it convert easily to thunderbid?
[05:11] <lnxwh0re> i red the documention of kubuntu but it doesnt refer anything about the boot loader software does it install it automatically or i have to install it manually?
[05:12] <lnxwh0re> i have two seperate hard disks and i want to make a dual boot system
[05:12] <waylandbill> surgy: thunderbird on windows can directly read OE files and import them. The switch to linux will need to be done manually. You can always give her a head start by installing TB on her windows machine.
[05:13] <waylandbill> surgy: then when there is linux, she'll already know how to use it
[05:13] <renato> genii don't bother, I found it
[05:13] <genii> renato Ah, good...I think it was in smtpd.conf or so but it has been perhaps 5 years ago now that I had to remember
[05:14] <genii> or virtual_domains.cf
[05:15] <surgy> waylandbill: she is allready on kubuntu lol she found the cd and stuck it in :)
[05:15] <renato> it was MUCH more complicated that that :(
[05:15] <waylandbill> surgy: oh. crash course then. :-)
[05:15] <renato> actually I found it in about 5 places, but is seems like I missed some out still
[05:15] <surgy> waylandbill: is the interface in TB similar to outlook? i know very little about either
[05:16] <renato> an easy question for all of you, how do I go to the top of a webpage with konqueror? ctrl-home sends to to another page
[05:16] <surgy> renato: use backspace
[05:17] <renato> surgy, backspace for?
[05:17] <Jucato> renato: Alt+Home
[05:18] <Jucato> renato: you can change the default keyboard shortcuts. Settings -> Configure Shortcuts
[05:18] <surgy> renato: it takes you to top i think
[05:18] <waylandbill> surgy: install it and find out. :-)
[05:18] <surgy> good morning jucato
[05:18] <Jucato> moin surgy
[05:18] <surgy> waylandbill: of course thank you
[05:19] <genii> renato I found a gentoo-centric page with some help on this for where conf files and syntax and so on are, : http://www.edoceo.com/liber/nuntius-setup.php
[05:19] <renato> not here, it does not
[05:19] <Jucato> renato: what doesn't? Alt+Home?
[05:20] <genii> renato You can likely filter out from it where the hookups between postfix and postgres are mostly from it anyhow
[05:20] <renato> Jucato: both Home and Alt+home do the trick.... I have to use my left brain more it seems :) haha
[05:21] <waylandbill> surgy: after TB is set up and trained to filter the spam, it's hard to live without it.
[05:22] <renato> genii... sorry? I did not geit it
[05:22] <Jucato> renato: anyway, like I said earlier, you're free to change the shortcuts to what suits you best
[05:24] <renato> Jucato.. nowdays I just want things working out of the box...... arghhhhh.... does that mean I have been assimilated into the system?
[05:24] <renato> :)
[05:24] <Jucato> you've been microsoft'ed :)
[05:24] <genii> renato At http://www.edoceo.com/liber/nuntius-setup.php there is quite a lot of information as to what entries need to be made in what files to make postfix authenticate against a postgre backend. The courier and nuntius specific stuff you can just mainly skip over
[05:24] <renato> not the curier, because I am using it in this setup
[05:27] <renato> genii can/has curier be restarted?
[05:28] <genii> renato Usually I would say to do a /etc/init.d/postfix reload but courier I dunno, never had to work with it before
[05:30] <surgy> awsome thunderbird is exactly what we wanted, thank you waylandbill
[05:31] <surgy> : is gonna go shoot some nazis
[05:31] <timster> :o
[05:32] <waylandbill> surgy: not a problem.
[05:38] <tuco> Hi ppl. Where do I need to go to edit grub to change the boot loader please?
[05:38] <clarissa> installed beryl and have direct acceleration at openGL but theres a problem and beryl wont start
[05:40] <stdin> tuco: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:40] <waylandbill> clarissa: "theres a problem and beryl wont start"  that's like the most popular statement these days or close to that
[05:41] <stdin> tuco: also, take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:41] <clarissa> detectex xserver  aiglx  checking for xcomposite extension passed (v0.3) checking for xdamage extension passed checking for randR extension passed checking for xSync extension passed checking screen 0 ...  libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x46  checking for GLX_SGIX_fbconfig  passed  checking for GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap  passed   checking for non power of two texture support failed   support for non power of two textures
[05:41] <clarissa> missing beryl: failed to manage screen: 0   :)
[05:42] <tuco> Basically I have vista and Kubuntu as a dual boot ( I know one of them suck big time but somebody else is using the pc), and I am tried to have to wait to choose which OS to use. I want to set up one by default and eventually change the order when possible.
[05:43] <clarissa> and other problem after starting beryl now i have no windows anymore cant close applications or drag them
[05:44] <stdin> tuco: you can change the timeout, the default selected OS, and you can hide the menu, so if the user doesn't press Escape, it just boots the default. It should all be explained on that help page
[05:44] <clarissa> but whats "non power of two texture support" what failed?
[05:45] <stdin> clarissa: you can ask in #beryl and #ubuntu-effects
[05:45] <clarissa> mh okay
[05:45] <waylandbill> clarissa: sounds like T&P texture mapping is too old, but better to ask them.
[05:47] <clarissa> dont know much about hardware ^^"
[05:50] <nickv111> Hey guys. Whenever I #include <math.h> in my C programs and compile them on my Kubuntu system, it says stuff like, "test.c:(.text+0x29): undefined reference to `tan'" with similar errors for functions like pow
[05:50] <dark_one> does anyone know if it is possible to run a DHCP server on vlan interface?
[05:50] <dromer> j #phpbb2
[05:54] <waylandbill> nickv111: you're missing a explicit library to link against.
[05:54] <eusoj> hi need help
[05:54] <eusoj> where is the spanish channel
[05:54] <nickv111> eusoj: #kubuntu-es, maybe?
[05:55] <nickv111> eusoj: #ubuntu-es could help too
[05:56] <Jucato> !es
[05:56] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:57] <waylandbill> nickv111: I just wrote a test case to print the output of a pow operation and it compiled fine with gcc. You may want to ask on a c programming channel maybe.
[05:57] <eusoj> how can i read ntfs partition on konqueror?
[05:58] <nickv111> waylandbill: Can you give me the test case?
[05:58] <nickv111> waylandbill: It might help.
[05:58] <liam_> hi guys can anyone tell me about getting java on kubuntu
[05:58] <nickv111> !java
[05:58] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[05:58] <stdin> !ntfs | eusoj
[05:58] <ubotu> eusoj: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:58] <liam_> thanks
[05:59] <nickv111> Welcome.
[06:00] <[R] eaper> i need help with my ati card (again)
[06:01] <tuco> Stdin? I type /boot/grub/menu.lst in Kate right?
[06:02] <tuco> but I need to be as root yes?
[06:02] <stdin> tuco: it may be easier to press Alt-F2 (to open the run dialogue) and type in: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:03] <muuhBDX> tuco me borat let me hugh you
[06:03] <stdin> and yes, it need to be as root, that's what kdesu dose
[06:04] <tuco> Ok let me log out and see :-)
[06:06] <Heavenquake> cpk1: ping?
[06:10] <tuco> Ok it worked :-)
[06:12] <cpk1> Heavenquake: pong
[06:12] <cpk1> what good timing
[06:13] <Heavenquake> cpk1: guess what? My wireless card just ceased functioning -.-
[06:14] <cpk1> Heavenquake: after you rebooted or what?
[06:16] <yettenet> Can anyone tell me where might my KDE headers be?
[06:16] <bonbonthejon> what is a better vnc solution for kde than krfb
[06:16] <Heavenquake> cpk1: It worked fine after a reboot or two. But then it suddenly just stopped working. Every time I start wlassistant it complains about "No usable wireless devices found". according to iwconfig and ifconfig ra0 does not exist, and in lshw ra0 is UNCLAIMED
[06:16] <stamen> hi
[06:16] <bonbonthejon> hi stamen
[06:16] <Heavenquake> cpk1: good timing, now I have to go eating. Will be back shortly
[06:17] <stamen> can I compile a kernel for 386 based CPU and to load it after that
[06:17] <yettenet> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6895/ <--- I have this problem :S
[06:17] <stamen> but I will compile it now on Pentium 4 based PC
[06:17] <yettenet> If anyone could help, I'd appreciate that
[06:18] <stamen> will it run to the other machine
[06:18] <bonbonthejon> stamen: pentium 4 is x86
[06:18] <Jucato> !info kde-devel | yettenet
[06:18] <ubotu> yettenet: kde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[06:18] <stamen> yes I know
[06:19] <bonbonthejon> stamen: so it should work
[06:19] <muuhBDX> hello why everthing in KDE starts weith  a K ?
[06:19] <stamen> thats why I am asking
[06:19] <stamen> ok
[06:19] <stamen> 10x
[06:19] <Jucato> !offtopic | muuhBDX
[06:19] <ubotu> muuhBDX: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:19] <bonbonthejon> muuhBDX: why not?
[06:19] <stamen> i will compile one now :)
[06:19] <muuhBDX> why not W ?
[06:19] <muuhBDX> why not Q
[06:20] <Jucato> muuhBDX: you have been told. you're 10 years late for that question
[06:20] <bonbonthejon> muuhBDX: while you are trying to be funny, you are actually somewhat correct, some stuff does start with Q, for the Qt toolkit
[06:20] <muuhBDX> i didnt have computer 19 years ago
[06:20] <muuhBDX> 10
[06:20] <bonbonthejon> Jucato: do you use vnc with kubuntu?
[06:21] <muuhBDX> im not trying to be funny i what the truth
[06:21] <Jucato> bonbonthejon: sorry, no
[06:21] <eeanm> we all what many thing
[06:21] <yettenet> Thanks, Jucato, I'm apting kde-devel
[06:21] <muuhBDX> i dont think you know
[06:22] <muuhBDX> thats why your not ansering
[06:22] <muuhBDX> this iRC is  fake
[06:22] <sampan> O.o
[06:22] <yettenet> It isn't fake
[06:22] <Jucato> muuhBDX: you've been answered in the #kde channels already
[06:22] <yettenet> It's just sleeping time for the smart guys
[06:22] <muuhBDX> I HAVE ?
[06:22] <Jucato> muuhBDX: yes you have
[06:23] <muuhBDX> NO I HAVENT
[06:23] <yettenet> Don't shout please
[06:23] <yettenet> yay
[06:23] <yettenet> Thank you, Jucato
[06:23] <yettenet> :)
[06:27] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I'm back again.
[06:27] <Heavenquake> Did I miss anything important?
[06:27] <cpk1> just me studying
[06:28] <cpk1> Heavenquake: you're the one with the same chipset as me right?
[06:28] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I am
[06:31] <tuco> Anyone knows how to get an Canon MP130 printer to work please. I don't know which driver to download and from where>
[06:32] <muuhBDX> Heavenquake is an  aka
[06:32] <cpk1> Heavenquake: lsmod | grep rt61 output anything?
[06:33] <Heavenquake> cpk1: void
[06:33] <BluesKaj> Hmm, some sites that use windows media video trailers won't play with the FF mplayer plugin...has anyone else encountered this problem
[06:33] <BluesKaj> ?
[06:34] <cpk1> Heavenquake: do modprobe rt61
[06:34] <Heavenquake> FATAL: Module rt61 not found.
[06:35] <cpk1> well thats not good
[06:35] <Heavenquake> cpk1: If it is for any help, the little green light that used to be on my card is no longer lit . It was lit even before I got it working
[06:36] <Heavenquake> or we got it working, I should say
[06:36] <saunders> how can i rip dvds ?
[06:37] <waylandbill> k9copy
[06:37] <saunders> swish thanks :D
[06:37] <Jucato> claydoh: ping
[06:37] <cpk1> Heavenquake: try find -iname rt61.ko and see if it shows up anywhere
[06:38] <jas_> I couldn't believe my luck.  I actually *needed* a decent linux distro recently and came across Ubunto, which is IMHO much, much better in every way than Fedora 6 that was recommended to me.  After coming across the unbelievable arrogance of the Gnome devs. with regards to the screensaver issue - I decided to try and switch to Kubuntu.  Most impressed.  My only issue was the nightmare of trying to get it to run at 1400x900 on my laptop (now solved).  I hope no
[06:38] <jas_> one minds me asking here, if anyone can recommend any sites that cover graphics hardware acceleration for KDE (something Gnome did seem to handle quite well by default).
[06:38] <claydoh> Jucato: pong!
[06:38] <Heavenquake> cpk1: void
[06:38] <Jucato> claydoh: is KFN down for you as well?
[06:39] <claydoh> yes, OS did do an upgrade yesterday, but it was fine last night
[06:39] <cpk1> Heavenquake: rt61 is at least still in /etc/modules right?
[06:39] <Jucato> claydoh: oh another upgrade? coolious :)
[06:39] <claydoh> hopefully
[06:39] <Jucato> :D
[06:40] <Jucato> claydoh: I really get to get my stuff organized one of these days... and maybe get in touch with OS too... I'm thinking up of plans for KFN :D
[06:40] <Heavenquake> cpk1: nope. Only some comments, and a line named "lp"
[06:41] <cpk1> well what the hell happened?
[06:41] <Jucato> claydoh: thanks for your time. thought my connection was going loco on KFN :)
[06:41] <saunders> is k9copy easy to use?
[06:41] <saunders> just installed it
[06:41] <Heavenquake> cpk1: no idea. I just came home yesterday, started my machine, and everything was fucked.
[06:41] <cpk1> looks like you are going to have to do everything over again Heavenquake since it looks like it *disappeared*
[06:42] <cpk1> and I have no clue how/why it dissapeared unless you did a kernel update then that might have done it
[06:42] <Heavenquake> umm... Is it prober to swear and curse at this point?
[06:42] <Heavenquake> No kernel update
[06:43] <Heavenquake> I also checked the card. It is solidly planted in the socket. Nothing seems to be wrong there.
[06:43] <cpk1> well dunno about you but I paid $10 for my card so I guess this is what we get =\
[06:43] <cpk1> Heavenquake: do you still have the tar from the other day?
[06:43] <surgy> hey guys
[06:44] <cpk1> jas_: you mean like drivers for ati/nvidia?
[06:44] <surgy> how does dual monitor support work in linux? can i display two seperate desktops one on each monitor? or can i stretch my desktop? or is it only copying the desktop, i dont have a second monitor yet im just wandering if i want too buy a second one.
[06:45] <cpk1> Heavenquake: also I found a walkthrough in the community docs for this that is a little bit different than the ralink readme
[06:46] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I think I paid less for mine. I still have the driver tarball
[06:46] <cpk1> Heavenquake: alright give the community doc a try since it's a little bit different from what we did last time https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT61?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29
[06:46] <jas_> cpk1, installed the ati drivers for my x600 mobility - worked a treat - that's what got me the 1400x900 - I'm a bit of a newbie I'm afraid reg. (just) linux - but 3d graphics performance seems dismal. did a command from another website which told me 3d acceleration was turned off.  All I need is a point in the correct *general* direction if that's OK.
[06:47] <claydoh> Jucato: it my be he is updating/installing, at least now I get an error message different from "service unavailable"
[06:47] <Heavenquake> cpk1: thanks, I'll take a look at it
[06:47] <cpk1> jas_: glxinfo |grep direct says what?
[06:48] <Jucato> claydoh: oooh it's back up for me now :)
[06:48] <weatherman> hi, I have download some ktorrent files then I've moved them around and now I'm not seeding them anymore, how do I seed them again?
[06:48] <claydoh> Jucato: ditto here :)
[06:48] <jas_> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:48] <jas_> direct rendering: No
[06:48] <jas_> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:49] <cpk1> weatherman: use the "import from another torrent client" or somesuch option
[06:49] <Jucato> weatherman: File -> Import existing download (you need to have the partfileimport plugin enabled)
[06:49] <cpk1> jas_: did you install the drivers using APT?
[06:50] <BluesKaj> jas , check this out for DIR on fglrx binary drivers : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b
[06:50] <weatherman> Jucato: I don't have the original torrent file anymore, is it possible without it?
[06:51] <surgy> how does dual monitor support work in linux? can i display two seperate desktops one on each monitor? or can i stretch my desktop? or is it only copying the desktop, i dont have a second monitor yet im just wandering if i want too buy a second one.
[06:51] <Jucato> weatherman: oh. you need the .torrent file...
[06:52] <dolanor> surgy: yes you can
[06:52] <dolanor> You must use xinerama I think
[06:52] <fdoving> surgy: you can do whatever you want. clone, extend up/down or left/right. it's very configurable.. atleast with the open ati drivers. (old ones).
[06:52] <jas_> no - used the driver install straight off the ATI site - as I said still learning I'm afraid.  Reason for going to linux now after so many years at MS enterprise level is I completely disagree with the UK pricing on Vista - and the crippling restictions on XP for my new security work.
[06:52] <surgy> dolanor: i can..... do what all of that?
[06:53] <dolanor> and modify your xorg.conf, but I don't know exactly how
[06:53] <surgy> fdoving: im nvidia always will be for linux
[06:53] <BluesKaj> jas_, did you see the URL I posted ?
[06:53] <dolanor> surgy: I got a friend who had a 6600 Gt and he could do all of that
[06:54] <surgy> jas: you can install ati out of the repositorys
[06:54] <surgy> dolanor: im getting one of those in a week
[06:54] <jas_> no - apologies - will check it out.  many thanks.
[06:55] <dolanor> surgy: I'll ask him now, in case I've missed something
[06:55] <fdoving> surgy: with nvidia the keyword is twinview.
[06:56] <jas_> little more than a 2 second read :) - many thanks to all respondees so far.
[06:56] <surgy> fdoving: ill look that up, i heard nvidia is far superior to ati when it comes to multiple displays..... ati makes that up with better tvcards
[06:57] <CapaH> How can I maximize my window quickly with a mouse?
[06:57] <CapaH> in windows you double click the titlebar
[06:57] <surgy> capaH: click on the square maximise button
[06:57] <surgy> capaH: its next to the close button
[06:57] <CapaH> lol
[06:58] <Jucato> CapaH: you can also set that. System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Titlebar Action
[06:58] <CapaH> ahhh
[06:58] <CapaH> thats what I wanted
[06:58] <waylandbill> surgy: I have both ati and nvidia. nvidia works good dual head. I've never tried it with ati as it's on a laptop.
[06:58] <dolanor> surgy: valdated by my friend
[06:58] <dolanor> bye
[06:59] <CapaH> Jucato_: I do not see that option... System Tools | Administration ... ?
[07:01] <Jucato_> CapaH: System Settings -> Window Behavior
[07:01] <CapaH> Jucato_: Tried that it gives me a message that Beryl doesn't have that option or such...
[07:02] <genii> surgy I have an ati 7500 AIW pci and an ati 8500dv AIW agp in the same box and use both with dapper no probs. I haven't gone to edgy or feisty yet with this box tho since things work great as is
[07:02] <Jucato_> oh? you left out that bit of info
[07:02] <Jucato_> Beryl has its own settings and ways of doing things
[07:02] <Jucato_> CapaH: I suggest you ask in #beryl or #ubuntu-effects
[07:03] <CapaH> doing
[07:05] <Ash-Fox> A very useful script for generating entropy if anyone's interested -- http://sphinx.quickfox.org/~ash-fox/temp/entropy-generator.bash
[07:05] <ahmetsar> trk var m
[07:11] <Jochus> hello, does somebody know the difference between edgy and dapper?
[07:11] <Tido> about 6 months
[07:11] <waylandbill> about 0.09
[07:11] <Tido> of progress in linux
[07:12] <Jochus> hmm
[07:12] <Jochus> why don't they make 1 version?
[07:12] <waylandbill> Tido is correct. Each version is released in 6 month increments.
[07:12] <Tido> edgy has newer stuff
[07:12] <Jochus> ahhh
[07:12] <Tido> dapper is considered a 'Long Term Support' version
[07:12] <cpk1> why doesnt windows make one version?
[07:12] <Tido> and will be 'supported' for a longer period
[07:13] <Tido> than edgy will be
[07:13] <Jochus> ok :)
[07:13] <waylandbill> cpk1: $$$ :-)
[07:13] <Jochus> thnx
[07:13] <Jochus> that's clear :-)
[07:13] <Tido> but if you're a normal desktop user
[07:13] <Tido> you'll probably want edgy
[07:13] <Tido> and when the next version comes out, you'll probably want to upgrade to that as well
[07:13] <cpk1> waylandbill: well that too, but same idea here as well with newer technology and stuff
[07:13] <waylandbill> right
[07:14] <sparrw> i want to "join" my ubuntu box to an opendirectory for the purpose of login and password.  it would be nice if any OD user could log into my box and get a fresh account, or a copy of their domain account, or use their domain account directly.  tips?
[07:15] <Tido> meh, I know you can do it sparrw, I just can't remember where I read about it
[07:19] <eusoj> i've just instaled kubuntu, how can i play multimedia files?
[07:19] <HymnToLife> ubotu, tell eusoj about codecs | eusoj, see the private message from ubotu.
[07:20] <Dr_willis> eusoj,  depends on the file. :) and what codec its using.
[07:20] <Dr_willis> I like vlc, and mplayer for playing most files
[07:24] <cpk1> i just use kaffeine
[07:24] <cpk1> but it fails sometimes and i have to use vlc
[07:25] <jas_> Just wanted to say a HUGE thanks to cpk1 - but especially BluesKaj for the link !!! - MANY THANKS - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b
[07:26] <jas_> Very true ! - TI are well known not to be able to provide correct drivers for their hardware so you will have to deactivate the composite extension in /etc/X11/xorg.conf , otherwise you will get a jerky video display: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the following lines at the end of the file:
[07:27] <harmental> hi everybody....i have a couple of programs active all the time (Konversation, Konsole...)...one thing that bother me though is the buttons in the taskbar ...is there any way to disable these buttons while maitnaing the programs loaded?
[07:27] <jas_> TI should be ATI
[07:28] <Dr_willis> buttons in the taskbar?
[07:28] <Dr_willis> you can just remove the panel/applet if ya want
[07:29] <harmental> Dr_willis: yeah...you know......where you click to acccess the program
[07:29] <Dr_willis> harmental,  you mean the "taskbar" where all running programs are shown...
[07:29] <harmental> Dr_willis:
[07:29] <harmental> exactly
[07:29] <Dr_willis> its doing its job. :) its a panel applet. add/remove/confifure it how you like.
[07:30] <Dr_willis> it has dozens of options..  to tweak with.. or just remove it. right click on the littl ehandle to get to the config menu
[07:31] <Jucato> or right-click on the panel -> Remove from Panel -> Applet -> Taskbar
[07:31] <soa2ii> hi!
[07:31] <soa2ii> is there anyone who can explain how i can set up an minimal desktop system?
[07:32] <soa2ii> is there any difference between desktop
[07:32] <soa2ii> and server without "server-packages"?
[07:32] <bonbonthejon> soa2ii: use the server cd and then add what you wnat
[07:32] <Dr_willis> minimal desktop.. would be a basic system + X + some minimal window manager. :)
[07:32] <soa2ii> i thought so bonbonthejon
[07:33] <Dr_willis> i recall some  fluxbox-ubuntu or other minimal projects in the works.
[07:33] <bonbonthejon> soa2ii: of course theres xubuntu
[07:33] <soa2ii> no... i wanted to install KDE
[07:33] <soa2ii> but without all these packages
[07:33] <soa2ii> like adept
[07:33] <soa2ii> and so on
[07:34] <Dr_willis> there was some kde-lite project  i recall also.
[07:34] <Jucato> soa2ii: http://jucato.org/kde/kde-core.html or http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde-core
[07:34] <surgy> dr_willis: mind helping me with a simple coding problem?
[07:34] <Dr_willis> i know very little real coding..
[07:34] <Jucato> soa2ii: note that Adept is pretty much a Kubuntu thing for now... it's a KDE app, but only Kubuntu uses it by default
[07:34] <bonbonthejon> Jucato: I was thinking of those websites but didnt have links
[07:34] <Dr_willis> im lucky to do helloworld in perl without grabbing my books.
[07:35] <bonbonthejon> surgy: whats your question
[07:35] <soa2ii> i don't just mean adept
[07:35] <soa2ii> all these things like
[07:35] <surgy> in python im getting error: x is referenced before asignment
[07:35] <soa2ii> KMag
[07:35] <soa2ii> KMouseTool
[07:35] <soa2ii> and so on
[07:35] <harmental> Dr_willis: i dont want to close the taskbar....just hide some of the running apps
[07:35] <Dr_willis> harmental,  it has features to show only the minimized apps..
[07:36] <Dr_willis> then theres a few tools that can hide things from the taskbar (and alt-tab) completly
[07:36] <Dr_willis> also can only show current desktop apps..
[07:36] <Jucato> soa2ii: then see those links above. you get to pick and choose
[07:36] <surgy> bonbonthejon: UnboundLocalError: local variable 'x' referenced before assignment
[07:36] <soa2ii> i'll see jucato
[07:36] <bonbonthejon> surgy: what language is this
[07:36] <surgy> python
[07:37] <harmental> Dr_willis: "show only minized apps" did the work...thx!
[07:37] <bonbonthejon> surgy: I don't know python, but did you initialize the variable
[07:37] <surgy> mind if i pm you so im not "off topic"
[07:37] <bonbonthejon> surgy: yeah
[07:37] <Dr_willis> harmental,  amazing what the kde guys think of :)
[07:39] <tuco> Good evening all. I need help with my Canon printer Mp130. Need to find the driver for it and how to install it. Any help mmore than welcome as I have been stuck with that problem for a little while now.
[07:40] <bonbonthejon> tuco: did you run the printer wizrd
[07:40] <cpk1> tuco: have you tried running the kde print wizard?
[07:40] <cpk1> the print wizard was awesome and made my printer automagically work
[07:41] <Dr_willis> i was baffled and confused by some parts of the kde print wizard
[07:41] <Dr_willis> it wanted to scan the 127.0.0.* network for my network printers.. that made no sence to me.
[07:41] <tuco> OK running it. Not sure about MP130 in there as it is not listed. Maybe it uses a different name?
[07:42] <piro_> when i used it, it printed out like a 10 % region of the page all zoomed in so everything that was in 10fotn was like in 30-40 font, still haven't fixed it
[07:43] <tuco> Not sure which driver to pick really :-(
[07:43] <tuco> Is the MP130 associated with another printer. Another driver which I can use?
[07:47] <angasule> !feisty
[07:47] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[07:48] <zoOmBiOZ> CHK the new version of C99 SHELL with SAFE MODE bypass WORK test there +++>>>   !!!PRIVATE!!!   http://www.fencing.net/images/enc.txt?   !!! I don't know how to add a line. http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/#canon
[07:51] <Adydas> To add aline you want to edit the file, you can do this by using the command 'kdesu kate /pathtofile/filename.conf
[07:51] <Adydas> '
[07:51] <surgy> hello adydas
[07:52] <bonbonthejon> Adydas: that is adding a repository
[07:52] <bonbonthejon> !repository
[07:52] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:52] <Adydas> whats doing what now?
[07:52] <Adydas> hey surgy
[07:53] <bonbonthejon> Adydas: sorry, wrong person
[07:53] <bonbonthejon> tuco: ^^^^
[07:53] <tuco> I don't need to add a repository :-) Just need to add the line so I can get the Canon drivers
[07:53] <Adydas> ah
[07:53] <Riddell> nalioth: do you know why I might be getting "Channel not fully synchronized yet, try again after a while" when I try to kick someone here?
[07:53] <tuco> this one: deb http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/ubuntu ./
[07:54] <fdoving> Riddell: try a rejoin.
[07:54] <bonbonthejon> tuco: that is a repo that goes in sources.list
[07:54] <tuco> Ah
[07:54] <Riddell> fdoving: done that
[07:54] <bonbonthejon> tuco: you will then apt-get a package
[07:54] <tuco> But I need to add the line first?
[07:54] <tobi> how to list all wlan/eth cards i have?
[07:55] <bonbonthejon> tuco: yes
[07:55] <Adydas> tobi 'less /etc/network/interfaces'
[07:55] <tuco> So how do I have to do things here please?
[07:55] <bonbonthejon> tuco: do "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" and paste that line at the end
[07:55] <tobi> Adydas: thank you
[07:56] <tuco> so I run a command right?
[07:57] <bonbonthejon> tuco: yes, open konsole and run that command
[07:57] <bonbonthejon> tuco: it will ask foir the pasword, then open kate, paste in the "deb ..." line at the end and save it
[07:58] <tuco> ok done
[07:58] <Adydas> now run
[07:58] <bonbonthejon> tuco:  now run "sudo apt-get update) to get a listing
[07:58] <Adydas> sudo apt-get update
[07:59] <bonbonthejon> tuco: then do the next part on that website, "sudo apt-get install ..."
[08:00] <fdoving> Riddell: in the old days desyncs is when one server thinks the state of a channel (ops etc) is something else, than another. so changing servers might work if rejoining doesn't.
[08:00] <tuco> actually that is apt-get install libcnbj-2.5 bjfilter-2.5 pstocanonbj ;-)
[08:01] <bonbonthejon> tuco: ok, make sure a sudo is in front
[08:02] <bonbonthejon> tuco: that should install the packages
[08:02] <Riddell> fdoving: I've got 200 windows open!  I don't want to change servers!
[08:03] <tuco> packaged installed. Browsing to see what I can find now
[08:05] <bonbonthejon> tuco: did it work?
[08:06] <tuco> All I can find is IP4000
[08:06] <tuco> doing a printing test...doesn't seem to work damn it!
[08:10] <tuco> Not sure if this is the right driver anyway
[08:10] <fdoving> Riddell: then rejoin is the best option i have for you. the desync often has to do with ops (usermodes in channels) so both "sides" of the desync get back to the same state the sync will vanish.
[08:10] <Shaezsche> is it possible to downgrade to xorg 6.9? since 7.0 i get about half the performance with my intel 915gm
[08:12] <tuco> Ok it looks like the package is installed properly. But where is the driver...driver...oooooh driverrrr!
[08:13] <cpk1> tuco: go here in your browser http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631/
[08:14] <tuco> in there now Cpk1
[08:15] <tuco> Wow all is brown! That brown hurt the eyes dude!
[08:16] <tuco> It shows Printing on the printer screen but does nothing :-(
[08:19] <tuco> nope not printing. Looks like the printer is frozen.
[08:26] <tobi> paul__: HEY!
[08:30] <yettenet> Is there a way to install windows fonts?
[08:35] <odranoel> ciao
[08:35] <maruchan> ciao
[08:35] <odranoel> ke chat  questa?
[08:36] <renato__> ciao a tutti
[08:36] <maruchan> watashi wa maruchan
[08:36] <odranoel> raga ki usa linux d voi?
[08:36] <renato__> io
[08:36] <maruchan> its working perfekt
[08:36] <odranoel> kubuntu?
[08:36] <renato__> ies
[08:37] <maruchan> ubuntu
[08:37] <odranoel> mi spieghi una cosa?
[08:37] <renato__> cosa
[08:37] <Jucato> !it | odranoel
[08:37] <ubotu> odranoel: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:37] <maruchan> wakarimasen
[08:37] <patufet> konnichiwa maruchan
[08:37] <odranoel> ho scaricato skipe
[08:37] <maruchan> konnitsiwa
[08:37] <odranoel> ma come llo installo
[08:38] <Jucato> english only please. thanks
[08:38] <caris_mere> my external hard-drive says I don't have permission to use it, though it worked yesterday
[08:38] <maruchan> sorry
[08:39] <caris_mere> Where do I change permission for using my external harddrive?
[08:41] <Adydas> how did you mount it?
[08:43] <caris_mere> Adydas: it is usb, and it is plugged in on load up
[08:44] <Adydas> ill stop there, mines a network exthdd
[08:46] <hyper_ch> hiho, anyone knows why - when I sync my palm lifedrive with kpilot to kontact - that the dates of birth and the pictures stored in the contacts aren't correctly transferred?
[08:47] <caris_mere> Can somebody help me to change the permissions on my external usb harddrive, so that I can use it?
[08:48] <Blacken> Hey, I'm installing vmware-player and apparently the network configuration decided to kill itself. It returns an error code of 1 and I can't uninstall it via apt-get. How do I get rid of the bloody thing?
[08:49] <vas> caris_mere: What linux flavor?
[08:49] <caris_mere> edgy
[08:49] <caris_mere> vas: edgy
[08:49] <Blacken> I can't remember how to force removal of a broken package. :/
[08:49] <vas> caris_mere: I'm a newb myself but when I was having problems with permissions on folders I just used Sudo.. I am running Kubuntu though
[08:50] <vas> caris_mere: I really don't know what I am talking about though but that helpd me work with the permissions on some of my folders so I thought i'd mention it
[08:50] <caris_mere> vas: I am using Kubuntu, 6.10 Edgy Eft
[08:51] <vas> caris_mere: try just right clicking it and looking at the permissions?
[08:51] <caris_mere> vas: thanks, seems it somehow changed permission to my wife
[08:52] <vas> caris_mere: np, switched from win to Kubuntu bout 2 days ago so I'm happy I could help
[08:53] <caris_mere> vas: any idea about how to change the permissions so that i can use it?
[08:55] <vas> caris_mere: Does it allow you to do it in the permissions tab or is it blanked out
[08:55] <caris_mere> vas: it's blanked because it says only the owner (now my wife) can do that
[08:55] <mike__> You need to be #
[08:56] <vas> caris_mere: Right click in teh folder containing the thumb and open a shell there, CHMOD --help to see what you might want to do
[08:56] <genii> do something like: sudo chown myname:mygroup thefilename                  from konsole
[08:56] <vas> mike_ / anyone else correct me if I'm wrong.. but to gain Rooter permissions to cancel out another admin on the comp you could just Sudo right?
[08:57] <vas> IE: if him and his wife are both admins.. a sudo could override this permission problem and change her permission on the thumb right?
[08:58] <caris_mere> genii: unfortunately, I need a little more clarification
[08:59] <genii> caris_mere: OK, what is the file name and in what directory is it?
[08:59] <vas> caris_mere: chown is a command to change your permissions (I Beleive) and putting sudo infront of it will allow you to change her permissions
[08:59] <caris_mere> genii: it is my external drive
[08:59] <genii> yes, vas has the correct idea.
[08:59] <Pensa`MIA> where does kubuntu keep it's screensavers?
[09:00] <Shak1> Hi guys, is there a way to tell Kontact to automatically save attached business cards to my contacts? Thank you in advance.
[09:00] <caris_mere> genii: I guess it would be /media/MYBOOK
[09:00] <genii> caris_mere: This does not answer the question I asked LOL  ... you need to know something like what /the/place/it/is/and/filename.ext
[09:00] <vas> sudo chown USERNAME:GROUP /media/MYBOOK
[09:01] <genii> like : /home/me/yadda.txt
[09:01] <vas> to change a folderpermission you will need an option after chown I think
[09:01] <crystufer2000> anyone know a good qemu manager so I don't have to figure out the commands to run my virtual machine?
[09:01] <caris_mere> genii: I am trying to gain access to my external harddrive, not a file
[09:01] <vas> genii: it is his USB drive
[09:02] <odranoel> raga c' un italiano qui?
[09:02] <vas> genii caris_mere it would be /media/DRIVENAME then
[09:02] <caris_mere> vas: I tried your chown solution, but I still cannot gain access
[09:03] <vas> caris_mere: sudeo infront of it
[09:03] <vas> caris_mere: sudo***
[09:03] <caris_mere> vas: I am root at the moment
[09:03] <vas> caris_mere: what is it saying
[09:03] <vas> caris_mere: what is the exact command you are trying
[09:04] <caris_mere> vas: chown scott:scott /media/MYBOOK
[09:04] <vas> caris_mere: sudo chown scott:scott /media/MYBOOK
[09:04] <genii> caris_mere In that case don't bother with the chown command and so on. What file browser are you using?if for instance Konqueror, then instead, open a konsole and put in: sudo konqueror    then you will be able to navigate there and change whatever permissions you like from file browser for instance off the tab
[09:04] <vas> caris_mere: sudo can sometimes help in random place I have noticed
[09:04] <vas> genii caris_mere CHMOD
[09:05] <caris_mere> genii: I was trying with Konsole
[09:05] <vas> caris_mere: genii has a very good point
[09:05] <vas> caris_mere: the grayed out permissions field in the properties of the drive should be editable in sudo konquerer
[09:05] <genii> caris_mere: Then do as I just suggested..eg: sudo konqueror   (typed inside the konsole) It will bring up the file browser in root mode
[09:06] <genii> vas exactly so
[09:07] <vas> genii caris_mere if that dosen't work I know a useful command called .. SETTLE_IN_DIVORCE_COURT
[09:07] <mjrclark> should use kdesu not sudo for root graphical apps
[09:07] <genii> LOL
[09:07] <caris_mere> vas: very funny
[09:07] <vas> beats sudo and su anyday
[09:07] <genii> mjrclark Ah, yes, my bad
[09:08] <caris_mere> vas: do I need to restart or something before the effects take place?
[09:09] <genii> caris_mere: what mjrclark said. so instead of sudo konqueror   put kdesu konqueror    and you will be running it with full ownership of all files and so on
[09:09] <vas> caris_mere: I would try that as a last eresort, genii and mjrclark bring up a good point
[09:10] <vas> caris_mere but ya if nothing is working than a reboot might do some good
[09:10] <caris_mere> genii: it's getting worse by the minute, when I did the kdesu... I got lots of errors about not connecting to X Server and other htings
[09:10] <mjrclark> caris_mere- that is normal, it should still work.
[09:11] <genii> caris_mere: Hangon, you are not in the KDE desktop but rather did a login to the console from the login screen instead?
[09:12] <genii> mjrclark: Well it shouldn't groan of no X server if he has some window manager running (I strongly think)
[09:12] <caris_mere> genii: I am able to access my drive this way, but when I close Konqueror, I am unable again
[09:12] <dettoaltrimenti_> where is thedefault directory that wget downloads to?
[09:13] <mjrclark> genii: it alsways happen whwenver I use kdesu, and works fine.
[09:13] <caris_mere> genii: I changed the permissions to read and write for all, but afterwards, it doesn't work
[09:14] <genii> caris_mere: The idea here would be to change the permissions of that directory to belong to the name you usually login as after you open konqueror in this way. Then any time after you can just use the regular konqueror
[09:15] <_martin> Hallo
[09:15] <_martin> hab eine Frage:
[09:15] <genii> Another issue may be that since the mount point of the drive is someplace like /media/MYSTUFF then to up a directory past your normal home directory of /home/myname is not usual for konqueror when run with normal permissions
[09:15] <caris_mere> Waas fr eine Frage?
[09:16] <_martin> Ich habe 2 Monitore und mchte den einen nur auf dem Virtuelle Desktop 4 haben
[09:16] <Apallo_> !ubotu power management
[09:16] <HymnToLife> !de | _martin
[09:16] <ubotu> _martin: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:17] <Apallo_> is there a way to shut off power management, or at least change the speed stepping stuff?
[09:17] <_martin> danke
[09:17] <Apallo_> my 1.6ghz laptop is stuck at 600mhz, and turning off ACPI in the bios doesn't work
[09:17] <caris_mere> genii: I change the owner and group, but they never stay changed
[09:17] <caris_mere> genii: I'm rebooting
[09:19] <Apallo_> is there a file i can edit somewhere so i can change the processor throttling?
[09:21] <genii> Apallo_ Yes somewhere in /etc/defaults   there is a file like powerd or perhaps acpid or like that. These may not be the exact names but something descriptive of power management at any rate. Open it with a text editor and look for the power modules it loads. By default it is all modules but you can for instance change that to any combination of the options it shows as examples, or even none...
[09:21] <genii> ...if you prefer
[09:21] <Apallo_> thanks
[09:21] <genii> Apallo_ the dir may be default with no "s" I forget
[09:21] <dettoaltrimenti_> what is wget's default directory?
[09:22] <Blissex> dettoaltrimenti_: current dir.
[09:22] <genii> dettoaltrimenti_: In which it's configurations are kept or where it downloads to?
[09:22] <caris_mere> genii: must have just been some freak accident, because now it works fine
[09:23] <caris_mere> genii vas thanks for the help
[09:23] <genii> caris_mere: Well, good to hear then that it seems resolved, however a puzzle :)
[09:24] <Apallo_> not finding it, there's a directory called acpi, but it's filled with shell scripts, no configuration files
[09:24] <mjrclark> it is /etc/default/acpid
[09:24] <mjrclark> and it is a file
[09:25] <Apallo_> the directory /etc/default doesn't exist
[09:25] <mjrclark> def does in fiesty.
[09:25] <mjrclark> and in edgy
[09:26] <genii> yup
[09:26] <Apallo_> ok found it, thanks
[09:27] <Apallo_> is there a software package that i can use to modify my acpi settings?
[09:28] <genii> I believe the system settings has something for it tho since I always have acpi shut off I don't specifically know where in there
[09:28] <Adydas> Apallo_:  i suggest sudoapt-cache search acpi
[09:28] <Adydas> it lists a few programs you can use
[09:28] <Adydas> for eg, cpufreqd - fully configurable daemon for dynamic frequency and voltage scaling
[09:29] <Apallo_> thank you Adydas
[09:29] <Apallo_> :)
[09:29] <happytiger> Any ideas pm hoe to convert a cd image to dvd imgae?
[09:29] <happytiger> ups :-)
[09:29] <happytiger> Any ideas how to change a cd iso image to a dvd iso image?
[09:30] <genii> Apallo_ btw I have heard for some dual-core cpus there is another boot opetion as well to pass so the one cpu does not race... I think it is notls  but could be mistaken. some ppl have had to use it anyhow, especially for some reason on Duo-Core intel
[09:30] <HymnToLife> an ISO image is an ISO image
[09:30] <genii> Core-Duo rather
[09:30] <HymnToLife> what you burn it to doesn't matter
[09:30] <genii> <- dyslexic occasionally
[09:30] <Apallo_> not a problem on this one
[09:31] <happytiger> I want o burn cd iso image aka feisty cd image to dvd
[09:31] <happytiger> as I dont have any empyty cd only empty dvd
[09:31] <Adydas> happytiger: go to the shops and buy a blank cd :P
[09:31] <genii> not possible tiger
[09:32] <happytiger> really no tool to make to dvd image?
[09:32] <genii> If you burn a cd iso to a dvd you just get a shiny new coaster
[09:32] <happytiger> damn
[09:32] <Adydas> *if* been the oprative word
[09:32] <happytiger> Yeah so i wnated a little tool to change the format of my cd to dvd
[09:32] <happytiger> and the buuuurn
[09:33] <alexicon> !wireless
[09:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:33] <HymnToLife> burning ISOs is so cheap
[09:33] <Adydas> i highly reccomend just buying some cd and dvd rws for such requirments
[09:33] <happytiger> :-) hehe shops closed for the night
[09:34] <Adydas> you can backup your rw media as an iso, blank the disck use it and then re blank it after and copy the other iso back
[09:34] <Adydas> happytiger: gas station
[09:34] <Adydas> night time, Honestly.. its 9 am here..
[09:34] <Adydas> 24*7 Super market
[09:34] <happytiger> :-) I have like 3 cd rw here but the to damn fucjked up by now
[09:34] <genii> 3:30 pm here :)
[09:34] <Assid> heya
[09:34] <genii> !language
[09:34] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:34] <happytiger> And the 4th cd rw that worked i happened to lent out today ... gree
[09:35] <Assid> hi
[09:35] <happytiger> Ups sorry bout language
[09:35] <Assid> i am having some major issues with 6.10
[09:35] <Assid> i just cant get it to install
[09:35] <happytiger> 7.04 to the resque
[09:35] <genii> Assid How far along does it manage?
[09:35] <Assid> partitions
[09:36] <happytiger> if you have a clean cd that is
[09:36] <Assid> i thought its my drive.. so i finally checked it yday. no issues what so ever
[09:36] <genii> Assid And then what happens?
[09:36] <Assid> just hangs u
[09:36] <Assid> up
[09:36] <Adydas> Assid: what issues, and 6.10 Ubuntu or kubuntu?
[09:37] <genii> Assid Are you trying to make a jfs or xfs partition?
[09:37] <Assid> kubuntu edgy
[09:37] <Assid> ext3
[09:37] <Adydas> i had weird problems with ubuntu and swapped for kubuntu this was before i found kubunud was KDE and unubutu was Gnome so i was happy ubuntu didnt work thus forcing me to KDE
[09:38] <mrkde> Does anyone know how to install and use vmware?
[09:39] <genii> Assid If the drive is extremely huge it could take quite a while to format (eg: >250Gb)
[09:39] <Assid> 40GB drive
[09:39] <Assid> i had 6.06 on the same drive
[09:39] <Assid> i wanted to do a fresh install.. so i let it "reformat"
[09:40] <Assid> but it dont work
[09:40] <Assid> it gets hung.. always at the same place 90 something percent of the format or something
[09:40] <Assid> oem mode died too.. i dont remember where tho
[09:41] <genii> Assid Ah, OK..possibly there are bad areas which it is getting bogged on. What is the longest time you let it try to finish?
[09:41] <Assid> around 10 - 15 mins maybe
[09:41] <Assid> no bad areas
[09:41] <Assid> thats the thing
[09:41] <Assid> i checked with even spinrite
[09:42] <happytiger> Is the feisty dvd image at  http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu/dvd/current/ herd 4?
[09:43] <genii> Assid Did you swap ribbon positions or jumpers or anything hardware-wise?
[09:43] <Assid> nothing.. it worked fine in 6.06
[09:43] <Assid> i just wanted to do a fresh reload for 6.10 since i didnt have / care for the data
[09:45] <genii> Assid Well, I would suggest then to do the manual selection for partitioning... make some sane layout which seems good this way and then see if it will format them then
[09:45] <Assid> i tried manual too
[09:45] <Assid> first thing i tried was that
[09:46] <genii> Assid Are you on livecd right now on that same box?
[09:46] <Assid> err.. next to me.. i got a kvm switch
[09:48] <genii> Assid Ok. So in a console run fdisk /dev/hda   (or whatever hd it is) then you can manuallydelete all the partitions there, create new ones, then exit with "w" to write it to mbr. then you can manually format with mke2fs /dev/hda#   or so like that
[09:49] <Assid> how do i get to the console from the live cd?
[09:49] <Assid> that box got nothing on it now
[09:50] <genii> Well just boot up to the cdrom desktop. But instead of running the desktop install, run konsole from the menus
[09:51] <Assid> oh
[09:51] <Assid> hrmm
[09:51] <Assid> yeah
[09:51] <Assid> okie hold up..
[09:51] <Assid> need to find my cd case
[09:51] <genii> np
[09:52] <Assid> err.. gimme a fe mins.. something i fgotta take care
[09:52] <genii> I'll take a cig/coffee break then
[09:52] <Jucato> !away > cc-dash
[09:52] <Assid> btw
[09:52] <Assid> my partiitons are already in place
[09:53] <genii> Assid so you could just run the mke2fs   command on the ones for data then
[09:53] <genii> The konsole should give at least some informative error if it doesn't work
[09:55] <genii> It's better to format for ext2 then convert to ext3 after with tunefs
[09:56] <soulrider> !dvd
[09:56] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:57] <Assid> shouldntg mke2fs -j do that?
[09:58] <genii> Assid Sometimes it chokes for unknown reasons
[09:58] <Assid> that could be the reason
[09:58] <Assid> should i try ext2 then from graphic?
[09:58] <genii> cylinder boundaries or other weird stuff that makes no sense
[09:58] <Mez> damned coloured nicks
[09:59] <genii> Assid Sure, try ext2 then you can always convert it afterwards if the rest of the system installs fine
[09:59] <Assid> ext2 got issues for largefile?
[09:59] <timster> !dvd
[10:00] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:00] <genii> I think 16Gb but forget exactly
[10:00] <timster> Erm, libdvdcss2 isnt in my depositories.
[10:00] <timster> !mp3
[10:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:01] <Assid> tune2fs can add largefile support right?
[10:01] <genii> timster Hence why ubotu tells you it can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:02] <genii> Assid Yes, once you do the   tunefs -j   command on it, it will be ext3. Tho you need to alter the fstab to say ext3 of course and so on
[10:03] <timster> lol
[10:06] <timster> genii: The libdvdcss2 is still not showing up
[10:07] <timster> DVD player suggestions?
[10:08] <bbeck> does anyone know how to add a user to an additional group from the command line?
[10:08] <genii> timster What dist you have? Edgy Dapper Feisty   etc
[10:08] <timster> 6.06 I belive
[10:08] <genii> timster OK so Dapper
[10:08] <timster> Yes
[10:09] <makuseru> how do i change the efualt program for a type of file?
[10:09] <eXistenZ> Why open file/directory in firefox doesn't work with kubuntu?
[10:09] <mjrclark> !Synaptic > Kiro
[10:10] <genii> timster from konsole do then: sudo echo "deb http://seveas.imbrandon.com/ dapper-seveas list_of_sections" >> /etc/apt/sources.list    then do  sudo apt-get update    then you should be able to install that file by the regular way
[10:11] <timster> Ok
[10:11] <timster> hang on
[10:11] <timster> Permision denied
[10:11] <timster> ?
[10:11] <timster> I ran it with sudo
[10:12] <genii> Perhaps you have some package installing or apt-get running etc etc
[10:12] <timster> Nope :/
[10:12] <intelikey> http://pastebin.ca/raw/366696 <<< who can tell me why syslog might be failing ?
[10:13] <makuseru> how do i change the efualt program for a type of file?
[10:14] <makuseru> default*
[10:14] <intelikey> ah nm i think it's trying to start a second time....
[10:15] <genii> timster Well, then do kdesu kate      and then open that file up in the editor, then add that line eg: deb deb http://seveas.imbrandon.com/ dapper-seveas list_of_sections
[10:15] <payam> hi
[10:15] <genii> timster Then save it, then run the update etc etc
[10:15] <writerz_> SaLuT A tOuS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:15] <payam> Does anyone know how i can install a theme for my KDE?
[10:15] <genii> only 1 deb in that line by the way
[10:16] <payam> can anyone help me?
[10:16] <writerz_> bon personne d'interessant j'me casse
[10:16] <genii> !themes
[10:16] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:16] <payam> haloooo
[10:16] <payam> anybody ?
[10:17] <genii> writerz_ en anglais svp
[10:17] <payam> can anybody help me?
[10:17] <Adydas> what theme is it?
[10:17] <genii> !themes | payam
[10:17] <ubotu> payam: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:18] <payam> why Gnome?
[10:18] <payam> KDE
[10:18] <Adydas> read more than the first 2 words, it also highlights kde-look.org
[10:19] <genii> payam Please note the link: http://www.kde-look.org/
[10:19] <mauriciokubuntu> hi
[10:19] <payam> i did
[10:19] <payam> i have download a nice theme
[10:19] <payam> but i cant install it
[10:19] <Adydas> !changethemes
[10:19] <timster> !mono
[10:19] <mauriciokubuntu> this is my fisrt time using IRC
[10:19] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[10:19] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu7.1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[10:19] <Adydas> Use than then
[10:20] <Adydas> mauriciokubuntu: want a cookie ?? :P just joking, whats up.
[10:20] <mauriciokubuntu> jajaja
[10:20] <genii> mauriciokubuntu: Well, welcome, we see you. If you have a question just go ahead and ask it, someone may know an answer
[10:21] <mauriciokubuntu> i'm from Peru
[10:21] <mauriciokubuntu> i don't know how it goes
[10:21] <mauriciokubuntu> ok
[10:21] <mauriciokubuntu> thnks
[10:22] <mauriciokubuntu> i'm trying to use OPERA but i'm very sad becouse PANDORA does'nt work well on it
[10:22] <payam> excuse me
[10:22] <payam> im waiting
[10:22] <makuseru> how do i change the defualt program for a file?
[10:23] <Assid> genii: you there
[10:23] <genii> Assid Yes indeed. Welcome back. success?
[10:23] <payam> HOW CAN I INSTALL A THEME :(
[10:23] <Assid> ext2 worked.. but now i keep getting no root file system
[10:23] <Assid> which is stupid.. cause i am looading up /
[10:23] <Assid> i got 2 partitions / and swap
[10:23] <makuseru> !themes | payam
[10:23] <ubotu> payam: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:24] <makuseru> !changethemes | payam
[10:24] <makuseru> wakeup ubotu
[10:25] <Adydas> haha
[10:25] <Assid> genii: i dont get it.. all this worked fine on 6.06!?!?
[10:25] <intelikey> ubotu has posted that three times in the last few minutes   each time for payam   so if payam doesn't get it by now let him wonder.
[10:26] <genii> Assid Please see: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm   I think it may be your fstab says perhaps ext2 but then you already converted to ext3 maybe without changing the type or so. at any rate there is a good tutorial for how to umount properly the different mounts you may need to and convert them and so on
[10:26] <Assid> genii: during install??? after format ??
[10:27] <makuseru> intelikey: how do i change the defualt program for a file?
[10:27] <genii> Assid When you do "mount" command, what fs types it shows for / as example?
[10:27] <payam> i cant understan
[10:27] <payam> i click on the file but nothing happens
 ext2 worked.. but now i keep getting no root file system <<< what exactly is the issue ?
[10:28] <Assid> unionfs on /
[10:29] <cpk1> you can mount ext3 as ext2 so it wouldnt matter if he was trying to use ext3 as ext2
[10:29] <Assid> intelikey: cant install 6.10 . trying to do fresh install after 6.06
[10:29] <intelikey> makuseru in konqueror  menu settings > configure konqueror      file associations tab
[10:30] <genii> It may be the dreaded hda became sda syndrome LOL
[10:30] <intelikey> Assid is that the live cd booted ?
[10:30] <Assid> yep
[10:30] <makuseru> thanks intelikey
[10:30] <intelikey> ok  / on the live cd has nothing to do with the install.
[10:30] <Assid> well.. then why am i getting that?
[10:31] <genii> Assid Perhaps because you booted to the cdrom again?
[10:31] <Assid> i am on the screen after the format .. which asks me which partition needs to mount what
[10:31] <frojnd> which one needs less cpu and ram: xubuntu or edubuntu??
[10:31] <intelikey> Assid you have to set a filesystem for the installed /  and let the installer format it.
[10:31] <intelikey> normally a partition.
[10:31] <genii> frojnd: xubuntu
[10:31] <Assid> i know
[10:31] <Assid> i did that
[10:31] <Assid> but it gave that above error
[10:32] <Assid> no root file system
[10:32] <frojnd> genii: less than XP or me ?
[10:32] <Assid> not my first time installing kubuntu.. but seriouslyt this is weird
[10:32] <intelikey> Assid i understand.   lets gather a little information here and see what we can figure out.
[10:32] <genii> frojnd: Well, I have it running on 64Mb p2 350 4Gb hd
[10:33] <intelikey> Assid pastebin the output of    sudo fdisk -l
[10:33] <Assid> err.. okay wait.. does livecd have ssh ?
[10:34] <intelikey> i think.   is it not networked to the inet ?
[10:34] <Assid> it is.. gota check.. hold on
[10:34] <Assid> its another box (i gotta kvm back and forth)
[10:34] <intelikey> ok.
[10:35] <Assid> nope
[10:35] <Assid> no ssh
[10:35] <Assid> this is gonna be bad
[10:35] <genii> intelikey: His original issue was that the partitioner would hang formatting ext3 at 90-something% so I recommended ext2 then tune2fs afterwards. He just put 6.10
[10:35] <intelikey> yeah.
[10:35] <Assid> i do fdisk -l .. nothing.. no output
[10:35] <Assid> weird
[10:36] <intelikey> sudo fdisk -l
[10:36] <intelikey> and you can just type in the addressing here.    like hda1 hda5 hda6   ...
[10:37] <Assid> yeah
[10:37] <intelikey> still nothing with sudo ?
[10:37] <Assid> hda1 - 83 (linux)  hda2 - extended   hda3 - swap
[10:37] <Assid> err
[10:37] <Assid> hda5 swap
[10:38] <intelikey> ok   and you set the installer to format hda1 and mount it as /   ?
[10:38] <Assid> yep
[10:38] <intelikey> and it says no root partition ?
[10:38] <Assid> yep
[10:38] <intelikey> k give me a sec.
[10:38] <Assid> in red at the bottom of that window
[10:39] <Assid> you know what
[10:39] <Assid> does it have vnc?
[10:39] <Assid> i could invitre you in to check
[10:39] <frojnd> genii: what about upgrading: can with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade get to new release for example: from 6.06 to 6.10
[10:40] <genii> frojnd: Yes, if you first alter the sources.list from example dapper to edgy but otherwise same.
[10:41] <intelikey> ok according to this it could be cached disk info that the installer is using which conflicts with the real disk info in turn is causing the installer to "not see" the partition.    sujested solution is to reboot the install cd.
[10:41] <Assid> bah
[10:41] <Assid> okay
[10:41] <intelikey> heh sounds like it was a windows admin that wrote it...
[10:41] <Assid> but why is this happening.. i mean 6.06 worked fine
[10:41] <Assid> its kinda messed up
[10:41] <intelikey> Assid let me do a little more digging
[10:42] <Assid> should i just find my older 6.06 and add the 6.10 as a resource
[10:42] <j__> how do I check how much free space there is left on a partition?
[10:42] <Assid> the problem is.. m trying to sell the idea of a few friends to move to kubuntu
[10:42] <Adydas> j__: df -h
[10:42] <Assid> but i really cant tell them to use an old disc and then upgrade
[10:42] <Assid> its like windows xp and then install service pack2
[10:43] <frojnd> genii: ttp://ftp.cw.net/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/xubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso is this what u use
[10:43] <intelikey> Assid heh you could maybe sell them on the idea of using the LTS version for stability...
[10:43] <Assid> LTS - linux terminal server?
[10:44] <HymnToLife> !lts
[10:44] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[10:44] <Assid> yeah
[10:44] <genii> frojnd: Yes, or if you already have another ubuntu install and just want to change the window manager for instance, just do instead:  sudo aptget install xubuntu-desktop    then after choose xubuntu as wsession type from login screen
[10:44] <intelikey> ok heres another sujested fix   just kill the xserver and let it restart.   then the installers cache should be flushed.
[10:44] <Assid> tahts the one i installed
[10:44] <Assid> 6.06LTS
[10:44] <intelikey> Assid ^
[10:44] <Assid> if i can find the disk
[10:44] <HymnToLife> I wonder what the difference between desktop and server is, as far as support is concerned...
[10:44] <Assid> thats what i had
[10:45] <Assid> bah. im not downloading the DVD again.. its too painful on my connection
[10:45] <intelikey> Assid did you see the second "sujestion" ?  ^
[10:46] <Assid> oh.. wait CTRL SHIFT BACKSPACE ?
[10:46] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+bs
[10:46] <genii> Assid yes
[10:47] <mauriciokubuntu> who knows about pandora working over OPERA web browser?
[10:48] <intelikey> pandora ?     every gift ?
[10:50] <Reeves> where can I get Qt3?
[10:50] <intelikey> Reeves  apt-cache search qt3 | less
[10:51] <shakur> please..is there anybody who knows about the problem why pandora does'nt work ell over opera browser?
[10:51] <Reeves> ok, i see
[10:51] <timster> !xfce
[10:51] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[10:51] <DrPHP> intelikey: its me assid
[10:51] <intelikey> yes.
[10:51] <timster> !xfce info
[10:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfce info - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:52] <DrPHP> im back in install
[10:52] <intelikey> DrPHP did that help it ?
[10:52] <DrPHP> its asking for resize/erase/manually edit
[10:52] <DrPHP> now what do i do
[10:52] <genii> !xfce4
[10:52] <ubotu> xfce4: meta-package for xfce4 dependencies. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS> (edgy), package size 4 kB, installed size 48 kB
[10:52] <intelikey> manually
[10:52] <Adydas> DrPHP: can you not use AUTO >
[10:52] <DrPHP> i dont re-partition it right .. just say next
[10:53] <DrPHP> mount pount /media/hda1 ?
[10:53] <intelikey> DrPHP if it recognizes them correctly   then yes just say next
[10:53] <intelikey> mount   no.  don't mount.
[10:53] <DrPHP> its in step 5
[10:53] <DrPHP> that asks what do i mount where
[10:53] <Adydas> no, hes askin is that the mount point for / intelikey
[10:53] <Adydas> not to run the command mount.. i hope..
[10:53] <timster> Can I have home on a seperate partition after installation, or is it too late?
[10:53] <intelikey> but hda1 is going to be /
[10:53] <kurakao> plop
[10:54] <DrPHP> i tried
[10:54] <DrPHP> again
[10:54] <DrPHP> same problem
[10:54] <kurakao> svncviewer is really cool
[10:55] <DrPHP> how do i invite you?
[10:55] <kurakao> im using it with really low BW
[10:55] <intelikey> DrPHP oh misunderstood.   ok  yes  mount  /dev/hda1 as /  yes .   and choose format that partition.
[10:55] <DrPHP> you mean reformat
[10:55] <DrPHP> and no that doesnt happen.. same problem
[10:55] <intelikey> yes
[10:55] <genii> This pandora-opera thing seems related to the flash9 crap
[10:56] <DrPHP> "no root file system"
[10:56] <DrPHP> stuck in step 5
[10:56] <shakur> flash 9 is getting troubles?
[10:56] <DrPHP> aaaaaaaaaargh.. problems
[10:56] <shakur> problems
[10:56] <shakur> sorry
[10:56] <intelikey> DrPHP on a whim    in a konsole issue     sudo umount /dev/hda?
[10:56] <intelikey> then try.
[10:56] <shakur> no se mucho ingles
[10:57] <kurakao> hola shakur
[10:57] <DrPHP> umount: /dev/hda: not mounted
[10:57] <shakur> hola kurakao
[10:57] <DrPHP> same for hda1
[10:57] <intelikey> !es | shakur
[10:57] <ubotu> shakur: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:57] <shakur> hablas espaol kurakao?
[10:57] <kurakao> s
[10:57] <kurakao> hay un canal para hablar en espaol
[10:57] <DrPHP> whats the default root password here anyways?
[10:58] <shakur> gracias ubotu
[10:58] <kurakao> ubuntu-es
[10:58] <intelikey> DrPHP there isn't one.
[10:58] <genii> shakur The very latest flash plugin is still sometimes giving issues with some sites
[10:58] <Adydas> its your username
[10:58] <kurakao> voy a etnrarll
[10:58] <intelikey> Adydas on the liveCD ?
[10:58] <aortrh33> no root password, just issue sudo, or kdesu and supply your user password
[10:58] <genii> on livecd no root pw
[10:59] <DrPHP> okay anyways.. how do i get this to instrall
[10:59] <intelikey> aortrh33 there is no default passwd for "ubuntu" on the live CD either
[10:59] <shakur> genii...but when i run pandora over firefox it works very well
[10:59] <DrPHP> hasnt anyone tried to install  fresh from disc before?
[11:00] <shakur> but i would like to use OPERA
[11:00] <genii> shakur firefox and opera do not use the same flash plugins. Each browser has it's own plugin
[11:00] <intelikey> DrPHP with the "convoluted" thing they called an installer on the liveCD and the problem you are describing, i'm not sure you can...
[11:00] <DrPHP> $%^#
[11:01] <DrPHP> okie signing this thing off
[11:01] <intelikey> DrPHP yes sever people have installed from the liveCD  but  not all have beed able too.
[11:01] <DrPHP> well they should make it more universal if you want  more people to be able to use it
[11:01] <DrPHP> im trying to promote it .. but i cant use itmyself
[11:01] <intelikey> and without hands on, i'd be hard perssed to even venture another course of action on that disk.
[11:01] <shakur> genii...ok..but i did every thing opera told me about installing flash to use it on opera..and even that does'nt work
[11:02] <Adydas> shakur:  whats the website your trying to use
[11:02] <shakur> i don't know why it's happenning
[11:02] <Adydas> ill see if it works for me
[11:02] <shakur> pandora.com
[11:02] <shakur> to listen music..you know
[11:03] <Assid> hrmm
[11:04] <Assid> i hate vbootring with my kvm.. stupid keyboard slows down
[11:04] <genii> From Adobe: "Flash Player <IP_ADDRESS> currently only supports the Firefox, Mozilla, and SeaMonkey browsers using GTK2.  Instability issues are expected in all other, non-supported browsers, such as Opera, Konqueror, Netscape, Galeon."
[11:04] <Assid> btw whats the difference between this version and LTS version
[11:04] <Adydas> shakur: works fine for me on opera with flash installed
[11:04] <eeanm> is XCB (the Xlib replacement) availabe anywhere for Kubuntu?
[11:04] <Assid> shouldnt all of them be lts
 well they should make it more universal <<<  but how do we inturprte that ?    do you mean more automatic ?    that is what they were trying to do with the liveCD installer which is why it completely fails on some boxes....   or do you mean more configurable ?    more options ?    that's the oppisite of the designers intent.   they thought more people would like it if they drop the disk in the tray and walk away.
[11:05] <intelikey> which leaves it a little bit of a "we do it the way we want, not the way you think you want"  kind of a thing.
[11:05] <Assid> yeah.. thats the idea simplicity.. but not simple when it doesnt want to do ext3 and doesnt want to mount the partitions
[11:05] <Assid> which a decent linux user would normally know what hes doing but cant get it to work
[11:07] <intelikey> Assid in short.   if you are a linux user.  don't mess with the liveCD installer,  it's junk.      it you are a windows user,  just use the liveCD installer, it's all you need.     ( i don't agree with the latter but it's the ubuntu way )
[11:07] <Assid> i didnt know it was the live cd installer
[11:07] <Assid> i thought it was the normal installer
[11:08] <intelikey> !alternate
[11:08] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[11:08] <Heavenquake> cpk1: wifi's up and running once again
[11:08] <intelikey> that's the non-liveCD install disk.
[11:08] <Assid> dapper drake ?
[11:08] <Assid> isnt that 6.06 lts ?
[11:09] <nova_> ok
[11:09] <Assid> damn.. i hope i didnt throw out the disc when i got 6.10
[11:09] <genii> Assid there are alternate install cds for dapper and edgy. Even I believe feisty
[11:09] <nova_> quoi
[11:09] <intelikey> yes it is...  and no the factoid was writen when dapper released.  and hasn't been updated.   re read it.
[11:09] <nova_> french please
[11:09] <intelikey> (available as of Dapper) <<<  and forward...
[11:09] <intelikey> !fr
[11:09] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:10] <nova_> merci
[11:10] <shakur> Adydas: When i try to conect to PAndora over OPERA, when pandora try to conect to my personal settings it say: i'm sorry, i had some problems trying to logging you in. It's my foult.Try again
[11:10] <Assid> right 6.06 lts
[11:10] <Assid> if i got the dvd of edgy
[11:10] <vicks> i'm runing in to whats seems to be a bug in firefox in kubuntu (feisty). every now and then, when i click on a  link the browser seems to download the data and the url-bar displays the new url,  but it never renders it
[11:10] <Adydas> Oh, i didnt Login to anything ya see..
[11:10] <Assid> wouldnt that have ALTERNATE as well ?
[11:11] <intelikey> yes and 6.10 and 7.4....
[11:11] <Tecnox> hey guys
[11:11] <genii> Shakur - From Adobe: "Flash Player <IP_ADDRESS> currently only supports the Firefox, Mozilla, and SeaMonkey browsers using GTK2.  Instability issues are expected in all other, non-supported browsers, such as Opera, Konqueror, Netscape, Galeon."
[11:11] <Tecnox> i pop the kubuntu cd in my desktop, etc and it loads everything, then i see my cursor with a weird pattern on the screen, but it just stays there..
[11:12] <Tecnox> what might be the problem
[11:12] <intelikey> Tecnox misconfigured xorg.
[11:12] <Assid> intelikey: doesnt the edgy dvd have dapper?
[11:12] <intelikey> Assid i don't think so.
[11:12] <Tecnox> intelikey i didnt even do anything... just burned, poped cd in..
[11:12] <genii> No, it doesn't
[11:12] <Tecnox> didnt change any configs
[11:13] <shakur> genii: you'r right..i know that...but opera sent me there to get it to work..i don't know why...becouse Adobe say that you say
[11:13] <cpk1> Heavenquake: good to hear, hopefully it doesnt change its mind again
[11:13] <Assid> im gonna try one last time
[11:13] <Assid> i saw in the boot.. a console and oem thing
[11:13] <Assid> also it had a option install somewhere
[11:13] <intelikey> Tecnox so your hardware tricked out the configurator.  it happens.    are you an avid linux user or new to linux ?
[11:13] <Tecnox> intelikey new
[11:13] <Assid> brb
[11:14] <Heavenquake> cpk1: it was very strange. all the binaries were just gone from the folder. Only the .dat file remained
[11:14] <Tecnox> intelikey im not brand new, i've used it before, and installed stuff like gentoo with help of ppl, i know basics about xconf, etc
[11:14] <cpk1> Heavenquake: from which folder?
[11:14] <Tecnox> intelikey is there a guide that tells me how to upgrade my 6.06LTS to latest?
[11:15] <lontra> any chances we might see an official package of kickoff in kubuntu?
[11:15] <lontra> particularly in feisty
[11:16] <Heavenquake> cpk1: /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/
[11:16] <intelikey> Tecnox hmmm  well the correct approach would be to drop to another console  (alt+crtl+f1)  and reconfigure the server. (sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg) answering the questions correctly.  then switching back to the gui (alt+f7) and restarting it. (ctrl+alt+backspace)
[11:16] <cpk1> wierd
[11:16] <cpk1> well mine is still there =P
[11:16] <intelikey> Tecnox for the xorg   ^
[11:16] <cpk1> but then again I almost never restart
[11:16] <intelikey> Tecnox there is a guide on the wiki.
[11:16] <Heavenquake> hehe. The only thing that seemed to be retained was the change in the blacklist file..
[11:17] <intelikey> !upgrade | Tecnox
[11:17] <ubotu> Tecnox: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:17] <Tecnox> thx
[11:17] <Tecnox> intelikey, right now im in livecd mode, should i install it to disk first, then upgrade or i can do it just like this?
[11:18] <Heavenquake> how was it again one opened tar.bz2 files using the terminal?
[11:18] <intelikey> Tecnox do you have linux installed ?
[11:18] <Tecnox> Tecnox No, i dont
[11:18] <Adydas> Install and upgrades my opinion
[11:18] <Tecnox> ok thx
[11:19] <intelikey> Tecnox then i would recommend the alternate install cd of the version you want.
[11:19] <Tecnox> intelikey its install/livecd in one
[11:19] <Tecnox> theres a install icon within the livecd
[11:19] <Assid> okay.. its doing it
[11:19] <Assid> its installing base system
[11:19] <Tecnox> ok
[11:19] <Assid> using ext2
[11:19] <intelikey> i know about the live CD   i would still recommend the alternate install cd
[11:20] <Assid> im gonna get this POC to work
[11:20] <intelikey> !alternate | Tecnox
[11:20] <ubotu> Tecnox: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[11:20] <Tecnox> i dnot have that one
[11:20] <Tecnox> whats teh difff between installing it this way?
[11:20] <cpk1> tar xvzf Heavenquake
[11:21] <Assid> intelikey: how big is the base install of this?
[11:21] <shakur> kubuntu spanish is very slow!!!!!
[11:21] <intelikey> hey you use what you have.   i understand that as well as anyone.  being on dialup...    but the liveCD's installer is "less than perfect"  imo.
[11:21] <Tecnox> but it if works and installs it, whats the end result difference?
[11:22] <Assid> intelikey: im planing to do a base install.. install proftpd.. copy the iso and mount it.. and then do my installs
[11:22] <soulrider> !es