[14:43] <fenrirjk> Hi there
[14:43] <fenrirjk> I recently upgraded to Ubuntu 22.10 from 22.04
[14:44] <fenrirjk> I have trouble loading my signed modules: "modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'vboxdrv': Key was rejected by service"
[14:45] <fenrirjk> My MOK key is enrolled, I can see it in dmesg or with `mokutil --list-enrolled`
[14:46] <fenrirjk> okutil --sb-state returns `SecureBoot enabled`
[14:46] <fenrirjk> sudo mokutil --test-key MOK.der returns: `MOK.der is already enrolled`
[14:48] <fenrirjk> I have this behavior since I am using the kernel v5.19.x, I am currently using kernel v6.0.6
[14:48] <fenrirjk> With kernel v5.15.x I was able to load my signed modules without any problem
[14:49] <fenrirjk> Can someone help be debugging this issue ?


[16:17] <carson> hello
[16:20] <Mathiasbk> b
[16:26] <Mathiasbk> hey
[17:29] <robbiew> o/
[17:29] <robbiew> don't want to be "tardy for the party"
[17:31] <jono> hi everyone!
[17:31] <jono> alrighty, I think we are nearly ready for the Q+A
[17:31] <jono> today we have an awesome guest
[17:31] <jono> he is Robbie Williamson who leads the Ubuntu Server Team
[17:31]  * robbiew also leads Foundations ;)
[17:31] <jono> so today feel free to ask all your questions about Ubuntu Server, the cloud, and the future :-)
[17:32] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/11/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[17:32] <jono> ahhh
[17:32] <jono> couldnt speak for a second there :-)
[17:32] <jono> asking a question is simple:
[17:32] <jono> ask your questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat and prefix every questions with 'QUESTION'
[17:32] <jono> e.g.:
[17:33] <jono> QUESTION: What new features are coming in Ubuntu Server in 11.04?
[17:33] <jono> I will cut and paste the questions in here for robbiew
[17:33] <jono> alrighty, let's give it a few minutes for you folks to add some questions and then lets get going
[17:35] <jono> come on folks, feel free to add your questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat :-)
 Question: Any statistics of what % of EC2 instances run Ubuntu server?
[17:36] <jono> robbiew, ^
[17:36] <robbiew> a lot
[17:36] <robbiew> :)
[17:36] <robbiew> all joking aside
[17:37] <robbiew> Amazon doesn't reveal those numbers
[17:37] <robbiew> so it's hard for us to really say
[17:37] <robbiew> there are other organizations out there who attempt to count
[17:37] <robbiew> and we typically lead the pack
[17:38]  * robbiew will look for a juicy link
[17:39] <robbiew> jono: go ahead with the next question and I'll post the link when I find it
 Question: What in Ubuntu server differentiates it from other server distros?
[17:40] <robbiew> good question
[17:40] <robbiew> so for one, I'd point to the cloud infrastructure integration
[17:40] <robbiew> i.e. eucalyptus and soon-to-be openstack
[17:41] <robbiew> beyond that...we've recently started working on an infrastructure service suite
[17:41] <robbiew> called orchestra
[17:41] <robbiew> with the aim of making a sysadmins life easier
[17:41] <robbiew> in terms of everything he/she needs to do to get servers and services up and running fast
[17:41] <robbiew> across multiple machines
[17:41] <robbiew> http://launchpad.net/orchestra
[17:42] <robbiew> up until recently, we were focused on being Debian + security updates and regular cadence
[17:42] <robbiew> as Debian itself is a rock sold server platform
[17:42] <robbiew> but with the emergence of cloud, we've seen an opportunity
[17:43] <robbiew> beyond that, we are also looking at other architectures besides x86 and amd64
[17:43] <robbiew> where we feel a strong server presence helps us
[17:43] <robbiew> ARM for example is VERY interesting
[17:43] <robbiew> and we hope to partner with Linaro and the Ubuntu on ARM team to deliver something soon
[17:43]  * robbiew needs hardware first ;)
[17:48] <jono> robbiew, still there?
 question: any new cloudy things coming down the pipe?
[17:51]  * robbiew thinks
[17:51] <robbiew> we also have some suite tools, like byobu
[17:51] <robbiew> but I'd be happy if other distros picked that up too
[17:51] <robbiew> and we have work on power management tools for servers...like PowerNap
[17:51] <robbiew> I could go on and on...feel free to email me and I can point you to a few places
[17:51] <robbiew> jono: next?
[17:51] <robbiew> jono:  hello? is this thing on :P
[17:51] <jono> I think we are having a few freenode server issues
[17:52] <jono> a lot of scrollback just appeared
 question: any new cloudy things coming down the pipe?
[17:52] <robbiew> "cloudy things"
[17:52] <jono> :-)
[17:53] <robbiew> well...zul
[17:53] <robbiew> that's an excellent question
[17:54] <robbiew> the easiest answer is "yes"...better integration with openstack....making sure folks can deploy clouds on their choice of infrastructure
[17:54] <robbiew> eucalyptus or openstack
[17:54] <robbiew> in term of running IN the cloud
[17:55] <robbiew> smoser has done some very cool things with cloud-init
[17:55] <robbiew> (I'm sure you can talk to him about this)
[17:55] <robbiew> given zul is on the Ubuntu Server team...I'll end there
[17:55] <robbiew> ;)
[17:56] <robbiew> if he doesn't know...we have a problem :P
[17:56] <robbiew> jono: next
 Question: Isn't 6 months release cycles for a server version just too fast? 3 years support and 5 yrs LTS support is also fine, but 6 months cycle sounds fast for server markets
[17:56] <robbiew> not if you run in the cloud
[17:56] <robbiew> were you could care less about what hardware you run on
[17:57] <robbiew> and you want the latest php or mysql support
[17:57] <robbiew> the way I see it, for server, we should build towards an LTS
[17:57] <robbiew> knowing most users will prefer an LTS, we should plan accordingly
[17:57] <robbiew> with each non-LTS being stable to stand-alone, but used as ways to introduce new features
[17:58] <robbiew> that can be tested for robustness with each successive release
[17:58] <robbiew> leading up to LTS
[17:58] <robbiew> so we should strive to push the newest stuff LTS+1 and gradually reduce the "riskiness" as we get closer to the LTS
[17:59] <robbiew> with the LTS dev cycle having most of its' focus on stabilizing what we have
[17:59] <robbiew> jono: next
 QUESTION: How does Canonical's interest and commitment differ from the server flavour?
[17:59] <robbiew> another Ubuntu Team question..nice
[17:59] <robbiew> will make this short
[18:00] <robbiew> Canonical is a business, and this aims to make money using Ubuntu Server as the core of it's service offerings around Server
[18:00] <robbiew> Ubuntu Server is a distro
[18:00] <robbiew> and aims to provide the best opensource has to offer for a server os
[18:00] <robbiew> free of charge
[18:00] <robbiew> ;)
[18:00] <robbiew> jono: next
 QUESTION: What are you doing to get applications like SAP certified on Ubuntu Server? Right now I have to use RedHat or SuSe.
[18:01] <robbiew> oh man...good one
[18:01] <robbiew> so this is where having Canonical as a backer of Ubuntu Server helps
[18:01] <robbiew> in order to be a REAL player in linux server, you need strong relationships with hardware providers
[18:01] <robbiew> like Dell, HP, IBM, etc
[18:02] <robbiew> ISVs support what the OEM's ship
[18:02] <robbiew> pretty simple
[18:02] <robbiew> so, that's why we were excited about Dell's recent announcement regarding the shipment of servers with Ubuntu installed
[18:03] <robbiew> targeted at cloud of course
[18:03] <robbiew> but to be the best cloud os, we need top notch hardware support
[18:03] <robbiew> I think the ISVs will begin to come soon...as Ubuntu grows in popularity in the cloud
[18:03] <robbiew> and more businesses start trusting their workloads in the cloud
[18:04] <robbiew> and more try to find cheaper ways to run...which means not wanting to pay license fees for every instance in the cloud
[18:04] <robbiew> Canonical is working VERY hard to partner with ISVs
[18:04] <robbiew> to help all this along
[18:04] <robbiew> jono: next
 QUESTION: Question: Are there plans to make landscape more affordable or open source. Or is there a good alternative?
[18:05] <robbiew> I don't no, as Landscape is a Canonical product developed outside my team
[18:06] <robbiew> depending on what your needs are, I think orchestra can be an alternative at some degree
[18:06] <robbiew> jono: next
 question: With the instability with Novel and SUSE, is there any plans to aggresively go after current potentially dissilusioned users?
[18:06]  * robbiew rushes a bit to answer as many ?s as possible
[18:07] <robbiew> absolutely
[18:07] <robbiew> I think we should at least try to support the same architectures
[18:07] <robbiew> to allow those users to migrate
[18:08] <robbiew> but that will take time
[18:08] <robbiew> re: architectres, specifically speaking about ppc and s390
[18:08] <robbiew> IBM platforms traditionally supported by SUSE (and  RHEL)
[18:09] <robbiew> but we still need to stay focused on cloud...where I feel things are transitioning to
[18:09] <robbiew> where the hardware becomes more of a commodity
[18:09] <robbiew> so I guess it's a balancing act
[18:09] <robbiew> to keep one eye on current landscape and the other on where we think it's moving to
[18:10] <robbiew> and choosing our features and strategic direction appropriately
[18:10] <robbiew> jono: next
 QUESTION: People ask me (surprisingly often) 'Why run Ubuntu when I can run Debian server?'. What's the 'Caononical' answer to that?
[18:10] <robbiew> heh
[18:11] <robbiew> I asked the same thing
[18:11] <robbiew> well for one, security updates
[18:11] <robbiew> now we do try to keep Debian updated with our updates...but we can't force them to
[18:12] <robbiew> and to be honest, the cloud integration, but for some...Debian is the answer
[18:12] <robbiew> now if you need support
[18:12] <robbiew> well...then I suggest Ubuntu Server, where you can get email and phone support from Canonical
[18:12] <robbiew> as well as engineering assistance to in deploying customized solutions
[18:12] <robbiew> Canonical sells a "service"...not a Server
[18:12] <robbiew> ;)
[18:13] <robbiew> jono: next
 QUESTION: People like Turnkey Linux are making lots of applicances based on Ubuntu Server. Is this something Canonical have considered, given a brand new server is
[18:13] <jono>  somewhat unexciting on its own?
[18:14]  * robbiew clearly needs to setup an interview with popey :P
[18:14] <robbiew> so, yes
[18:14] <robbiew> but I'm not the right person to ask
[18:15] <robbiew> Nick Barcet is the man you want to talk to ;)
[18:15] <robbiew> nijaba on IRC
[18:15] <robbiew> jono: next
 QUESTION: I am often asked for a webmin like system (but not webmin for historical reasons) for administering servers, to bring the admin overhead down and comparable with MS SBS. Something you're looking at?
[18:16] <robbiew> yup...orchestra will solve all your troubles :)
[18:16] <robbiew> well...not all
[18:16] <robbiew> jono: next
 QUESTION: Are there any plans for better official support for hardware management drivers and software of high-end servers, like IBM?
[18:18] <robbiew> yes, there are
[18:18] <robbiew> and that's all I can say now ;)
[18:18] <robbiew> jono: next
 QUESTION: is it possible to have an UI (gnome or kde) for Ubuntu Server ?
[18:19] <robbiew> ahh
[18:19] <robbiew> sure sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:19] <robbiew> Server and Desktop share the same archive, so it's possible
[18:19] <robbiew> but we don't have any plans (of yet) to roll out a UI specifically for Server
[18:19] <robbiew> that of course could change tomorrow
[18:20] <robbiew> jono: next
 QUESTION Is ubuntu server good for heavy hosting?
[18:20] <robbiew> "heavy hosting"
[18:21] <robbiew> you mean like wikipedia or something?
[18:21] <robbiew> yes
[18:21] <robbiew> jono: next
 QUESTION: What kind of paid Canonical customers tend to use Ubuntu Server and for what?
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[18:23] <robbiew> typically ones who either can't afford the license fees of other Linux server distros, but want support
[18:23] <robbiew> or need an OS that moves at a faster rate to support key hardware/software features they need
[18:24] <robbiew> tbh, I'm just an engineering manager...and i try to keep focused there
[18:24] <robbiew> jono: next
 QUESTION: Do you think that Ubuntu Server will turn into mainly a cloud distribution?
[18:25] <robbiew> no
[18:25] <robbiew> jono: next
 QUESTION: Do you have any ideas on how to encourage existing systems administrators to take part in the Ubuntu community and provide ideas and fixes to make servers easier to manage?
[18:26] <robbiew> first, as promised, in reference to the first question about EC2 statistics: http://thecloudmarket.com/stats#/by_platform_definition
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[18:26] <robbiew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved
[18:27] <robbiew> go there :)
[18:27] <robbiew> participate in #ubuntu-server
[18:27] <robbiew> join lists
[18:27] <robbiew> reach out
[18:27] <robbiew> email me...I'll get to it
[18:27] <robbiew> pretty good at keeping my email inbox low ;)
[18:27] <robbiew> jono: next
 Question: Are there any "products" for lined up for identity management, mangement of many servers (puppet), or other enterprise needs?
[18:28] <robbiew> I wouldn't say "product", but orchestra can do some of this
[18:28] <robbiew> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-install-service
[18:28] <robbiew> describes our work on it
[18:28] <robbiew> and any member of the team can provide more details
[18:28] <robbiew> jono: next
 QUESTION: How good would Ubuntu Sever be for a cloud based startup company? Would it be a logical choice? Could it scale up well if our traffic gets big?
[18:29] <robbiew> last one
[18:29] <robbiew> absolutely
[18:29] <robbiew> check out www.atlantic.net ;)
[18:29] <robbiew> they host with Ubuntu
[18:30] <robbiew> jono: one more!
 QUESTION: Are there any plans to release Ubuntu One source code so we can use it on our servers?
[18:30] <robbiew> damn
[18:30] <robbiew> lol
[18:30] <robbiew> should have stopped while I was ahead :P
[18:30] <robbiew> so that's a completely different team
[18:30] <robbiew> outside of the Platform team even
[18:30] <robbiew> so I don't know
[18:31] <robbiew> but if they do....we'll pull it in and ship as fast as we can ;)
[18:31] <robbiew> promise
[18:31] <jono> :-)
[18:31] <jono> thanks robbiew
[18:31] <jono> ok, I think that is a wrao
[18:31] <jono> wwrap
[18:31] <jono> wrap
[18:31] <jono> erk
[18:31] <jono> thanks to everyone for your questions
[18:31] <robbiew> np
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[18:31] <jono> we do have some final outstanding questions
[18:32] <jono> hmmm
[18:32] <jono> ahhh I can still speak
[18:32] <jono> we do have some outstanding questions, robbie will follow up with a blog entry
[18:32] <jono> thanks, folks!
[18:34] <sebsebseb> jono: Now everyone can speak again.  The blog entry will be where?
[18:34] <jono> sebsebseb, on robbie's blog
[18:35] <sebsebseb> what's the link?
[18:35] <m4n1sh> jono: is it aggregated on planet?
[18:35] <jono> http://undacuvabrutha.wordpress.com/
[18:35] <sebsebseb> ok thanks :)
[18:35] <m4n1sh> thanks jono
[18:36] <jono> :-)
[20:12] <mo23116> s
[20:26] <savage24x> QUESTION Has there ever been a release with an actual GUI in 32-bit form? I would love to use ubuntu for my server instead of windows xp!
[20:57] <sergegagne> savage24x: All the desktop edition can be use has a server.  Server people just prefer to optimize resources an so tend to operate without a GUI
[20:59] <sergegagne> savage24x: BTW the GUI can be turn off by default and started only when you need it (try disabling gdm and use startx instead...)


[00:21] <IdleOne> does +r need to stay enabled in #u? Pici set it earlier but may have forgotten it on
[01:03] <ikonia> yes, it needs to stay
[01:03] <Pici> ikonia: I removed it ~ 10 minutes ago.
[01:03] <ikonia> there we go then
[01:08] <Pici> bah
[01:08] <ikonia> too late
[01:09] <ikonia> I don't understand the point of that spam at all
[01:10] <Pici> maco: Please direct them to #freenode or talk to them in pm about setting up their nick.
[01:10] <maco> Pici: okie. i thought theyd gotten the hint around the same time that you pointed to #freenode but apparently not :(
[01:39] <Pici> Feel free to remove +r if you dar :P
[01:39] <Pici> dare
[01:39] <ikonia> I'm not brave enough at the moment
[01:41] <ikonia> mdg is the blind leading the blinder
[01:43] <ikonia> bed time - I'm out
[01:43] <Pici> okay, cyas
[02:29] <IdleOne> is there a irc basics help page?
[03:19] <IdleOne> alternate
[03:19] <IdleOne> oops
[03:19] <Pici> :O
[03:19] <Pici> !cds
[03:20] <Pici> ubottu: cds is You can buy an Ubuntu CD or request to have one sent for free from http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/cd-and-dvd  Please consider using Torrents before requesting a free CD http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download#bt
[03:20] <Pici> ubottu: no cds is <reply> You can buy an Ubuntu CD or request to have one sent for free from http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/cd-and-dvd  Please consider using Torrents before requesting a free CD http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download#bt
[03:20] <Pici> !alternate
[03:20] <IdleOne> ubuntu.com has a very nice new look we might as well take advantage of it :)
[03:21] <Pici> !-alternate
[03:22] <Pici> !no alternate is <reply> The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can  also be used as an upgrade CD. http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download#alternate - See also !minimal
[03:23] <IdleOne> !cds
[03:23] <IdleOne> can we and an alias for dvds to !cds?
[03:24] <IdleOne> hmm we already have a dvd factoid
[03:24] <IdleOne> might make it confising
[03:24] <IdleOne> confusing also
[03:28] <Pici> ...
[03:28] <IdleOne> :/
[05:55] <mneptok> why the captial "T" for torrents?
[07:46] <elky> panarchy is floating around under that nick again. cute.
[08:10] <jussi> ubot5: part
[08:26] <dholbach> good morning
[12:04] <Tm_T> now I remember why I don't usually follow -ot closely
[12:07] <knome> hmm? :P
[13:05] <IdleOne> jussi: you around?
[13:17] <jussi> IdleOne: for about 30 seconds...
[13:17] <IdleOne> jussi: I sent you a msg explaining what i wanted to ask :)
[13:40] <IdleOne> oops
[13:40] <Pici> tsk tsk
[13:40] <knome> frrr
[13:40] <IdleOne> never mind that for now :)
[14:09] <funkyHat> What's this #ubuntu-ops-monitor?
[14:10] <bazhang> where they monitor us
[14:10] <funkyHat> ⢁O
[14:10] <bazhang> just kidding. join it and see
[14:17] <Pici> When was the last time we tried setting -r?
[14:50] <IdleOne> Pici: yesterday when you set it
[14:50] <Pici> Well, its -r now.
[15:02] <IdleOne> later gators and gatorettes
[15:02] <Pici> cya!
[15:44] <Pici> funkyHat: Probably would be best to avoid throwing the word troll around.
[15:44] <funkyHat> Right
[15:47] <Pici> What is clint- going on about anyway?
[15:49] <funkyHat> Don't really know... earlier he was claiming ubuntu has dependancy issues and poor security (at least in part due to sudo)
[15:49] <funkyHat> And using enter a lot
[16:02] <gnomefreak> is the metting this sunday 5/30?
[17:21] <Pici> !java
[17:21] <Pici> !no java is <reply> To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java. For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for sun-java6-* packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases
[17:22] <Pici> !no java is <reply> To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java. For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases.
[21:23] <oCean_> hi
[21:24] <oCean_> please notice user lolmang's quit msg in #ubuntu


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[17:59] <kusum> Hardik: u from ?


[00:04] <urlin2u> charlie-tca, I'm not a launchpad membor would you like the crashes.
[00:43] <valorin> Anyone experiencing this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/834248  - Where windows resting on the edge of a workspace move into the next one when clicked in the launcher or via ALT+TAB, making it impossible to switch to these windows without manually going to the workspace.
[02:37] <billybigrigger> any xchat users here?
[03:25] <AlienX> it looks like libXp.so.6 was removed from ia32-libs. Is there any way I can download that lib? perhaps from natty?
[03:26] <micahg> AlienX: install the i386 version of it?
[03:27] <AlienX> micahg, I thought about that, but wasn't sure if it'd break anything
[03:27] <micahg> well, is this for skype?
[03:27] <AlienX> since I think it's in the libxp6:i386 package
[03:27] <AlienX> nah, I got the skype stuff worked out. This is actually for the citrix ica client
[03:28] <micahg> oh :(, is that i386 only as well?'
[03:28] <micahg> I"d suggest installing the i386 version of it with the i386 libs
[03:29] <AlienX> it actually wants to remove 'libmotif4 libxp6 motif-clients xubuntu-desktop' if i try 'apt-get install libxp6:i386' which is kind of not ok :(
[03:30] <micahg> AlienX: sorry, I'm wrong, it's not multiarch ready, that could've been a bug, just make sure one is filed against ia32-libs and someone will take a look
[03:30] <AlienX> micahg, no worries. I'll go ahead and file it right now. Thanks for the help.
[03:33] <Drakeson> is compiz expected to be slow at the moment, or is it because my hardware is too weak for it?
[03:40] <AlienX> micahg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/836397 does that look descriptive enough?
[03:50] <Gredeu> i've upgraded to onceiric 3.0.3 kernel and i installed module init tools.  one that is lacking is a fsck process.  my base system is ubuntu natty.
[04:34] <micahg> AlienX: that looks great, thanks
[04:36] <AlienX> micahg, good deal
[05:05] <simpleblue> can i update a daily build?
[05:24] <Drakeson> Is it possible to run another window manager with the unity's launcher and the panel (which includes the appmenu)?
[05:32] <jbicha> Drakeson: which one did you have in mind?
[05:32] <Drakeson> openbox
[05:40] <Drakeson> jbicha: do you know any other that you can run?
[05:43] <jbicha> Unity uses Compiz and Unity 2D uses Metacity
[05:44] <jbicha> and you're welcome to just try and let us know if it works
[05:46] <Drakeson> jbicha: Do I need to install anything else besides `unity-2d' ?
[05:46] <Drakeson> (e.g., another session).
[05:47] <jbicha> you could try logging into Unity 2D and then doing openbox --replace
[05:47] <jbicha> you may also want to look at /usr/share/xsessions/ and /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/
[05:48] <jbicha> I've never really used openbox though
[06:17] <Drakeson> jbicha: thanks, somehow it is working, more or less. I had to create session files in both directories you mentioned, and also an openbox.desktop in /usr/share/applications. (not having those files is probably a bug)
[07:03] <bullgard6> GNOME 3 doesnot provide applets. Are there plans to provide the old applet programs in new format for GNOME 3?
[07:16] <jbicha> bullgard6: no, you can use gnome-panel 3 for the time being but gnome-panel will be killed off too
[07:20] <bullgard6>  jbicha What do you mean by "gnome-panel 3"?
[07:20] <jbicha> bullgard6: sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[07:20] <jbicha> then choose GNOME Classic from the login screen
[08:33] <bullgard6> jbicha: You did not answer my question. I asked for GNOME 3. »GNOME Classic« is no GNOME 3.
[08:37] <jbicha> bullgard6: actually it's still part of GNOME 3
[08:37] <jbicha> anyway, apps can also use the messaging tray or extend the top bar with an extension
[08:48] <bullgard6> jbicha: Thank you for commenting.
[10:19] <topyli> hrm. where are gnome-shell extension? :-o
[10:43] <jbicha> topyli: see https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Extensions they've not been packaged in Debian yet because there is no system-wide extension manager yet
[10:46] <topyli> :(
[10:46] <topyli> alright, thanks
[10:49] <jbicha> if you look hard enough you can also find a .deb for them but it's not official yet
[11:30] <nperry> Is multiarch working yet?
[11:31] <nperry> for example if i try sudo apt-get install skype:i386 its not there, do i need to enable the i386 repos?
[11:32] <jtaylor> skype is not in the repo yet
[11:32] <jtaylor> you can use the version from natty but need to install the i386 libraries manually
[11:33] <jtaylor> libXss libqtcore4 libqtgui4 etc
[11:34] <nperry> jtaylor: forgot already got natty partner setup..
[11:58] <penguin42> hmm, a do-release-upgrade has just segfaulted for me  - doesn't seem to have left a core or anything
[11:58] <Ian_Corne> ouch
[12:02] <penguin42> looks like it was at the end fortunately
[12:04] <penguin42> hmm, seems to reboot ok - I'll let it get on installing dev stuff while I have breakfast
[12:09] <Ian_Corne> The following packages have been kept back: brltty gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-fuse lib32ncurses5 lib32ncursesw5 libncurses5 libncursesw5 libv4l-0 ncurses-bin
[12:09] <Ian_Corne> for anyone else?
[12:09] <Ian_Corne> been kept back for a few days now
[12:17] <jtaylor> is there a way to fix enigmail in thunderbird?
[12:18] <jtaylor> getting tired of manualy signing my mails ._.
[12:43] <penguin42> interesting; just installed xubuntu-desktop on a vm and it has the new style login - but completely white on black, and it has the proper icons at the top left which my other machines are unhappy with
[13:34] <D3RGPS31> using xdm and openbox; global and user autorun aren't executed, can be run manually; Alpha 3, using fglrx
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:40] <D3RGPS31> also, nautilus crashes with the error 'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' at start
[13:43] <Pretto> does anyone is having problems running java apllications? Here it doenst draw buttons when launched
[13:44] <Ian_Corne> minecraft?
[13:44] <Ian_Corne> I don't have any other java application :p
[13:45] <D3RGPS31> Pretto: openjdk or sun-java
[13:45] <D3RGPS31> Ian_Corne: i went there to check :v
[13:48] <D3RGPS31> this channel feels dead :|
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> D3RGPS31: it's not dead
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> and i just asked if the app was minecraft
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> i'll try to run it
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> but i'm on the OS drivers
[13:50] <D3RGPS31> i wasn't able to run any java gui
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> it draws "options" and "login"
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> and shows the news and stuff
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> so it should be working
[13:51] <Ian_Corne> openJDK
[14:15] <gnomefreak> is fglrx fixed yet?
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> i don't know, jockey is still broken
[14:21] <gnomefreak> ok thanks
[14:28] <gnomefreak> something is so wrong here. i dont get grub or plymouth at all
[14:31] <gnomefreak> where do i change login display from?
[14:32] <gnomefreak> nevermind
[14:36] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, hold down the shift key after the bios screen til the grub menu appears
[14:47] <gnomefreak> ok ummm is it broken or just shitty design?
[14:49] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[14:57] <gnomefreak> ok thanks odd. i seem to have lost my window controls
[14:57] <gnomefreak> s/thanks/thats
[15:13] <jakemp> just updated, and a bunch of icons dissappeared from the left bar, and the top bar seems to be using old style icons and is light grey
[15:13] <jakemp> I assume this means unity is running in 2D mode
[15:27] <psalden> I just installed gnome-shell and like how it can finally be used alongside unity. However, it's kinda annoying to see it shares the settings for themes, fonts, etc with unity. Is this planned to change at some point?
[16:27] <jussi> hrm, seems jockey is broken here on one-eye-ric, can someone direct me to the cli way of installing the nvidia drivers?
[16:29] <Ian_Corne> same for me jussi
[16:29] <genii-around> jussi: I usually just sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[16:30] <jussi> genii-around: do I need to run nvidia-xconfig anymore? or does it do all that with the package now?
[16:32] <genii-around> jussi: If your xorg.conf doesn't have already the Driver  "nvidia" in the Device section, yes
[16:34] <jussi> genii-around: I dont have an xorg.conf :)
[16:34] <genii-around> Then yes
[16:58] <bjsnider> jussi, jockey will create an appropriate xorg.conf file
[16:58] <jussi> bjsnider: I encourage you to read a little more backlog :)
[16:58] <bjsnider> if hte graphical version is broken you can use jockey-text
[16:59] <bjsnider> jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[17:00] <jussi> bjsnider: jockey is broken
[17:00] <jussi> I have a bug in for it
[17:01] <bjsnider> even jockey-text?
[17:01] <jussi> yep
[17:02] <jussi> bug 657829
[17:02] <jussi> anywya, got to go for a while.
[17:02] <bjsnider> well, nvidia-xconfig is not specificaly made for debian/ubuntu so it may add things to your xorg.conf that should not be there
[17:50] <billybigrigger> is empathy borked for everyone else too?
[18:11] <ssargennto> Hello all, I'm using 11.10 and it keeps only offering me a partial upgrade...i saw a sticky on the forums that said to wait a bit and let update manager sort it it but its been 3 days and still only a partial upgrade. is there a better way to install updates right now in 11.10?
[18:12] <jtaylor> does it want to remove something?
[18:13] <psalden> I dunno about any forum post, but up till now I just did apt-get dist-upgrade all the time which seemed to work fine
[18:14] <jtaylor> mostly its ok
[18:14] <ssargennto> it didnt say anything about removing any packages
[18:14] <jtaylor> you just need to look what it removes, when its e.g. ubuntu-desktop don't do it
[18:14] <jtaylor> dist-upgrades adding new packages are pretty much always safe
[18:15] <ssargennto> so its best to just use terminal and use apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[18:15] <jtaylor> I prefer it
[18:15] <jtaylor> its faster :)
[18:15] <jtaylor> gui takes to start up
[18:15] <ssargennto> i agree i do like using apt in terminal a bit more
[18:18] <ssargennto> boo.. getting errors updating
[18:18] <ssargennto> brb gonna reboot
[18:19] <psalden> actually, the gui tool failed for me a few times, while the terminal equivalent did fine
[18:26] <BluesKaj> getting index file errors :  GPG error: http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com oneiric Release ...anyone else , or is it just my server?
[18:26] <jtaylor> hm I had that for my armel chroot a while ago
[18:26] <jtaylor> are you using a proxy?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> jtaylor, nope
[18:27] <urlin2u> do you get a key in that error
[18:27] <BluesKaj> using a dns service tho
[18:27] <jtaylor> try updating again in a few minutes/hours
[18:27] <BluesKaj> yes The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:28] <jtaylor> had exactly that too
[18:28] <jtaylor> getting the Release per wget gave a correct signature then
[18:28] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:29] <urlin2u> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[18:29] <urlin2u> run that
[18:29] <jtaylor> dhould not be necessary
[18:29] <jtaylor> he has the pub key, just the file is corrupted
[18:29] <urlin2u> okay
[18:30] <jtaylor> the Release file
[18:30] <urlin2u> the file is I see
[18:33] <BluesKaj> urlin2u, yeah I ran that command before ...still getting the error : unable to resolve host address `40976eaf437d05b5 ubuntu archive automatic signing key'
[18:34] <urlin2u> sounds like jtaylor is the one to listen to
[18:38] <ssargennto> anybody having trouble updating packages? my internet connection is working properly and if i use update manager it tells me to check my connection, and if i use apt i just get an error occurred during signature verification
[18:39]  * penguin42 has had some packages failing to validate lately
[18:40] <jtaylor> there is some issue with the main archive: http://paste.ubuntu.com/677386/
[18:40] <penguin42> it would be nice if it told us what was bad about it
[18:41] <jtaylor> it can't
[18:41] <penguin42> oh so it's actually that the sig doesn't match the data - as opposed to something like an out of date etc ?
[18:42] <ssargennto> glad to know its not just me
[18:47] <BluesKaj> anyone else have digital clock issues ..how many settings have to be changed in order to get the damn thing to read the format that you set in it ...it's a pos Imo
[18:48] <BluesKaj> this has been an issue since 10.04 on my pc
[18:48] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, what now?
[18:49] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, AM/PM 12 hr format ...is it too much to ask ?
[18:50] <BluesKaj> it's reads properly in the dialog , just doesn't translate to widget
[18:54] <alupcs> Hi, does anyone know hotplug? I want to restrict USB-usage...
[18:55] <rfc1337> alupcs, there's no such thing
[18:55] <rfc1337> if you want to restrict usb-usage, i suggest doing it at a lower level... possibly putting tape over all usb ports
[18:56] <alupcs> On older versions of Ubuntu, one could blacklist the usb_storage driver
[18:57] <alupcs> btw, a usb-mouse should be allowed
[18:57] <rfc1337> oops wrong channel... i thought this was on sunos
[19:10] <h00k> Aaaaand Skype is broken ;) libXss.so.1 not found.
[19:10] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, am/pm 12hr works here
[19:11] <jtaylor> h00k: easily fixed, install libXss from i386
[19:11] <micahg> or install skype:i386
[19:11] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, gnome ?
[19:12] <ssargennto> BluesKaj, im using gnome and my clock is working right. reads 2:11pm right now
[19:12] <jtaylor> see the bug skype:i386 does not exist
[19:12] <jtaylor> see bug 830440
[19:12] <h00k> check it. cool.
[19:12] <BluesKaj> <KDE
[19:12] <ssargennto> ahh gotcha
[19:12] <micahg> jtaylor: you need natty partner installed (oneiric doesn't have skype yet)
[19:13] <jtaylor> ah yes that could be a reason why I don't have it, thx
[19:13] <micahg> h00k: ^^
[19:13] <h00k> oh, look, need to multiarch.
[19:13] <jtaylor> installed it via a package I had lying on my hdd
[19:13] <h00k> micahg: it's installed already.
[19:13] <h00k> micahg: if that's what you're getting at
[19:13] <h00k> I'm looking at the bug report now
[19:16] <h00k> installing the 32bit libraries
[19:31] <smallfoot-> its good that ubuntu cant compete with 30 year old operating systems
[19:31] <smallfoot-> ubuntu 11.10 vs windows 3.11 - change theme, win311 yes, ubuntu no!
[19:32] <urlin2u> smallfoot-, are you delusional?
[19:32] <smallfoot-> no
[19:32] <BluesKaj> smallfoot-, get a life
[19:32] <smallfoot-> please explain how to change theme in ubuntu 11.10
[19:32] <trism> smallfoot-: you can change the theme, there just aren't any dialogs to simplify it yet (except possibly gnome-tweak-tool)
[19:32] <smallfoot-> oh
[19:33] <smallfoot-> usability, win311 vs ubuntu
[19:33] <jtaylor> windows 3.11 is less than 30 years too ._.
[19:33] <smallfoot-> even in a 30 year old os you cuold personlize it with a gui dialog
[19:33] <jtaylor> I still used it and I'm not that old ^^
[19:33] <smallfoot-> oh it is? well that makes it much better, ubuntu vs a 25-29 year old os
[19:33] <jtaylor> try 18 years old
[19:34] <smallfoot-> oh, its only 18 years old?
[19:34] <smallfoot-> well, ubuntu still cant compete against a 18 year old os in terms of personlization, themeability, ease-of-use
[19:35] <urlin2u> smallfoot-, #ubuntu-offtopic sounds like where you need to share this :D
[19:36] <BluesKaj> so smallfoot- do you have any suggestions or did you just find this forum to rant , and if you wish , go ahead and use w3.1.1 , do you really think we care ?
[19:36] <smallfoot-> oh thx
[19:37] <smallfoot-> BluesKaj, yeah, i have a suggestion... ADD A CHANGE THEME DIALOG lol
[19:37] <BluesKaj> I don't use gnome
[19:37] <smallfoot-> but you cant change it with this unity sucks thing either
[19:37] <smallfoot-> so what you use?
[19:38] <BluesKaj> kde
[19:38] <smallfoot-> kde is beautiful.... it really is.. the art people have done a wonderful job
[19:38] <smallfoot-> unfortuntally its usability is horrible, its cluttered with 100000 senseless options
[19:38] <Pici> smallfoot-: Feel free to submit a patch or a package yourself.
[19:39] <smallfoot-> and is probably the worlds most bloated software ever
[19:39] <Pici> Otherwise you already know that this channel isn't for constant complaining.
[19:40] <smallfoot-> kde really could lend some graphics artists to gnome
[19:40] <smallfoot-> and gnome really could lend some usability people to kde
[19:40] <smallfoot-> wait, nevermind that, gnome was good in 2.x, now with 3.x it sucks
[19:55] <h00k> is there anything constructive?
[19:55] <h00k> as Pici said, feel free to submit a patch or package
[19:55] <h00k> Or wait until someone else does
[19:56] <h00k> smallfoot-: ^
[20:00] <bjsnider> h00k, no, it's a lot easier for them to bitch about subjective usability issues than to do anything about them
[20:00] <BUGabundo> evening, dear!
[20:02] <billybigrigger> howdy
[20:04] <BUGabundo> hey hey billybigrigger
[20:05] <BUGabundo> anyone willing to help create a package for pidgin-expand?
[20:05] <BUGabundo> or at least help the dev set up a PPA?
[20:05]  * BUGabundo looks at bjsnider
[20:05] <bjsnider> oh, here we go
[20:06] <bjsnider> is it in debian already?
[20:07] <BUGabundo> no
[20:08] <BUGabundo> :)
[20:08] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: https://code.google.com/p/expand/issues/detail?id=2
[20:08] <BUGabundo> just need your help :)
[20:08] <BUGabundo> he will do the rest
[20:08] <BUGabundo> I can't even get it to compile on my system
[20:08] <BUGabundo> meh
[20:09] <bjsnider> the thing is, creating a ppa isn't the big issue. the big issue is creating working debian build scripts
[20:10] <bjsnider> that can be done using dh-make
[20:10] <bjsnider> which creates a basic set of build scripts. but those scripts may not build the package no matter how simple it is
[20:11] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what happens when you try to compile it? what is the error?
[20:11] <BUGabundo> sec
[20:11] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/677444/
[20:11] <BUGabundo> config.status: error: cannot find input file: `po/Makefile.in.in'
[20:12] <jtaylor> Makefile.in.in? unusual
[20:12] <jtaylor> its should probably Makefile.in
[20:12] <bjsnider> you must not be following the recommended method to build the software
[20:12] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: congratulations on your jump! I am glad you were able to experience that.
[20:13] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: thanks!!!!
[20:13] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: is there one? :P
[20:13] <bjsnider> there should be an INSTALL file or something like it
[20:13] <BUGabundo> $ ll | pastebinit
[20:13] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/677446/
[20:13] <BUGabundo> the install.sh is wonked too
[20:14] <BUGabundo>  ./install-sh
[20:14] <BUGabundo> ./install-sh: no input file specified.
[20:14] <jtaylor> maybe it needs a autoreconf before starting configure?
[20:15] <bjsnider> there shouldn't be a maybe in this
[20:15] <bjsnider> it should be clearly documented by the dev
[20:15] <jtaylor> upstreams documenting their build system properly? in what fantasy world do you live in  ;)
[20:18] <bjsnider> it's not even worth spedning time on if the documentation isn't there
[20:18] <bjsnider> and it won't build
[20:18] <BUGabundo> ok
[20:18] <BUGabundo> ill file a bug
[20:18] <jtaylor> pff thats boring ^^
[20:20] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, try autoreconf
[20:20] <bjsnider> then configure
[20:20] <bjsnider> if autoreconf succeeds
[20:21] <BUGabundo> how do I do that?
[20:22] <bjsnider> open a terminal go into that directory and type autoreconf
[20:23] <bjsnider> you might not have all of the software installed
[20:23] <bjsnider> but try it
[20:23] <jtaylor> and run intltoolize
[20:24] <jtaylor> that shold fix the issue
[20:25] <bjsnider> assuming he has autotools installed
[20:25] <bjsnider> which he might not, since he's obviously never done this before
[20:25] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/677453/
[20:26] <BUGabundo> debsums: invalid package name 'default-jdk'
[20:26] <BUGabundo> meh .... that bug in debsums is back :(
[20:26] <BUGabundo> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'if [ -x /usr/bin/debsums ]; then /usr/bin/debsums --generate=nocheck -sp /var/cache/apt/archives; fi'
[20:26] <jtaylor> just tried it, tar xfz tarball; cd dir; mkdir po; intltoolize; ./configure; make works
[20:27] <BUGabundo> so where's intltoolize ?
[20:27] <jtaylor> apt-file search intltoolize
[20:27] <BUGabundo> even make clean is faling
[20:27] <BUGabundo> jtaylor: did that already
[20:27] <jtaylor> all works for me
[20:27] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[20:27] <BUGabundo> no , I did apt-cache search
[20:27] <bjsnider> i think there's a metapackage called autotools that has everything
[20:28] <jtaylor> there is an issue with potfile though
[20:28] <jtaylor> but thats probably not important if you don't want trnaslatiins
[20:28] <bjsnider> but it's been so long since i had to install it that i don't remember
[20:28] <jtaylor> intltool is in a seperate package
[20:28] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: autotools is (now) installed
[20:28] <BUGabundo> jtaylor: 32 or 64 bits?
[20:29] <BUGabundo> can you send me the plugin?
[20:29] <jtaylor> sudo apt-get install intltool; tar xfz expand-0.5.0.tar.gz; cd expand-0.5.0; mkdir po; intltoolize; ./configure; make
[20:30] <jtaylor> the plugin should then be in .libs
[20:30] <BUGabundo> AH
[20:30] <BUGabundo> found the prob
[20:30] <BUGabundo> I rm and untar again and it works
[20:31] <BUGabundo> stupid nautilus zip/tar addon is broken
[20:31] <BUGabundo> it fails to extract properly
[20:31] <BUGabundo> already happened the other day
[20:31] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, did you just grab the latest unprepared code or did you download the most recent stable release tarball?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> stable
[20:31] <BUGabundo> 0.5
[20:32] <bjsnider> the dev didn't prepare the tarball enough
[20:32] <BUGabundo> $ ls -lha /usr/lib/pidgin/expand.*
[20:32] <BUGabundo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  970 2011-08-29 21:31 /usr/lib/pidgin/expand.la*
[20:32] <BUGabundo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 707K 2011-08-29 21:31 /usr/lib/pidgin/expand.so*
[20:32] <BUGabundo> it works
[20:32] <BUGabundo> now to test the plugin
[20:32] <BUGabundo> brb
[20:33] <BUGabundo> $ pidgin -nmd | grep expand
[20:33] <BUGabundo> (21:33:43) plugins: probing /usr/lib/pidgin/expand.so
[20:34] <BUGabundo> can anyone post a tinyurl please
[20:38] <trism> http://pad.lv/1 ?
[20:42] <BUGabundo> bjsnider:  jtaylor: thanks guys, for putting up with me. now let me try a checkout
[20:42] <jtaylor> btw now that the problem is solved file a bug :)
[20:43] <BUGabundo> I did
[20:43] <BUGabundo> now I need to automate this
[20:43] <BUGabundo> seems they do a lot of commits
[20:48] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i think you should learn debian packaging and ppa use. i would definitely subscribe to a BUGabundo ppa
[20:48] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: you mean ubunturollingdistrounstable?
[20:49] <bjsnider> it's easier to send software into a ppa and build it in pbuilder and whatnot than you might think
[20:49] <BUGabundo> if there was a rolling distro, with packages as recent as Ubuntu, a good package manager, and a great UI. I would move to it
[20:50] <BUGabundo> HOT
[20:50] <BUGabundo> manage to get it to build and install from source trunk
[20:51] <BUGabundo> $ hg update
[20:51] <BUGabundo> 0 files updated, 0 files merged, 0 files removed, 0 files unresolved
[20:51] <BUGabundo> its ready to go
[20:51] <BUGabundo> let me write a recepy for this
[20:52] <jbicha> BUGabundo: that's basically the Ubuntu development version, it just gets a bit rough earlier in the cycle and more conservative once it goes into beta
[20:52] <BUGabundo> alias expandeupdate='cd /home/bugabundo/temp/expand; hg clone https://code.google.com/p/expand/; ./autogen.sh ; make, sudo make install'
[20:53] <BUGabundo> jbicha: no its not... trust me... I've tested ALL ubuntu dev cycles since 6.10
[20:54] <BUGabundo> I should blog about this one
[20:54] <BUGabundo> alias swapnas='sudo losetup /dev/loop0 /mnt/NAS/homes/bugabundo/disks/swapfile4 ; sudo swapon /dev/loop0'
[20:55] <BUGabundo> next: to get fdupes upgraded to 1.5
[20:59] <jbicha> BUGabundo: but how would your Ubuntu rolling be different? and how much work would it take for the distro maintainer?
[20:59] <BUGabundo> jbicha: no idea.........
[21:39] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:39] <BUGabundo> compiz is unstable
[21:39] <BUGabundo> :\
[21:42] <h00k> surpriiiiiiiise!
[21:43] <Saviq> hmm how do I enable the nvidia module without jockey (that crashes due to DeviceDriver d-bus being unavailable)?
[21:44] <jtaylor> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current may do it
[21:44] <Saviq> yeah it didn't, I'm still getting nouveau loaded, let me try on the console to see what happens
[21:45] <Saviq> hmm actually no, I didn't get it installed for some reason
[21:47] <SpamapS> anybody else on a MBP on oneiric just randomly lose the trackpad?
[22:00] <yofel> Saviq: you need to run nvidia-xconfig too after installing it with apt
[22:14] <alex_mayorga> The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>??
[22:16] <jtaylor> yes there was an issue with the signing a while ago
[22:16] <alex_mayorga> jtaylor: any fixes?
[22:16] <jtaylor> the fix will have to propaget to all mirros I guess
[22:16] <jtaylor> wait a while
[22:16] <alex_mayorga> OK, thanks
[22:24] <bjsnider> propagate
[22:34] <h00k> I had the same signing thing recently
[23:10] <BluesKaj> watchout for muon , it wants to take your whole desktop if you try to remove any default apps :P


[00:21] <pablenque> Hi folks, good night
[00:22] <pablenque> I must say that ive never used linux, and im looking for some hints about mi hardware and whats more convenient for it
[00:22] <Finetundar> evening pablenque
[00:23] <Finetundar> Ask and I will try to answer
[00:25] <pablenque> well, i have a Hp dv6 series, and need to erase the recovery partitions in order to make space for linux partition, and i dont have the experience reading that much about it
[00:25] <Finetundar> you're gonna have to open up gparted and erase the partitions
[00:25] <pablenque> so i thought that kubuntu may be a choice for it
[00:27] <Finetundar> pablenque: you can either run the installer and have it erase the HDD or manually erase it from gparted
[00:27] <pablenque> ok, you think that the drivers of the actual releases of ubuntu-kubuntu may cover the hardware of sucha a block laptop of mine?
[00:27] <Finetundar> How old is it?
[00:28] <Finetundar> pablenque: depending on the age of the computer you may want/need to use a lighter flavour
[00:29] <pablenque> i think that is around 5-7 years old
[00:30] <Finetundar> pablenque: do you know the specs?
[00:30] <pablenque> well Finetundar what i know of this machine is that has a amd dual core 2.3gh and 4GB
[00:30] <pablenque> of ram,
[00:31] <pablenque> sorry, is amd turion
[00:31] <pablenque> video comes from ati
[00:32] <pablenque> the ati mobilityu radeon 4200
[00:32] <Finetundar> Well, alright, you have the specs to run kubuntu pretty well. The issue you may encounter is attery life. What's been the average battey life?
[00:33] <pablenque> i know that atheros is for the wireless adapter
[00:33]  * Finetundar cringes
[00:33] <Finetundar> And there's where you're probably gonna have problems
[00:34] <pablenque> oh, the battery, it never lasted for too long, and now i gave up , using just the power cord
[00:34] <pablenque> the heat that comes out of this laptop ruined to many batteries
[00:35] <Finetundar> pablenque: If I were you I'd go ask in #ubuntu about the atheros drivers. For the rest, if you don't plan on using battery life then kubuntu will be a great choice
[00:36] <Finetundar> The installer will give you an option to completly erase the HDD and install kubuntu or you can install alongside windows
[00:36] <pablenque> great, i will ask there then, hope there was drivers for it, (sorry my english)
[00:37] <pablenque> im planing to erase all , then making a partition for windows, for installing some soft of my work
[00:37] <Finetundar> pablenque: I'd advise you to install windows first then
[00:38] <Finetundar> it doesn't tend to agree with the boot loader provided by *buntu operating systems
[00:38] <pablenque> because of so many crashes of the msoft SO
[00:38] <pablenque> i continuosly have to format my pc
[00:39] <pablenque> ah, so its better that way, ok i will learn hot to do it
[00:40] <Finetundar> Very easy really
[00:41] <pablenque> great then, ill give it a try,
[00:42] <pablenque> i like to lear that kind of things, but this computer is for use of other people in this house too,
[00:42] <pablenque> i guess i will risk my head a little bit for a change,
[00:43] <pablenque> thanks Finetundar, i will ask for that atheros driver issues as you told me
[00:44] <Finetundar> pablenque: kubuntu is really  easy to use !
[00:46] <pablenque> i have read that it is indeed, im just a little rusty
[00:48] <pablenque> good night Finetundar, and thanks again for the tips
[00:48] <Finetundar> pablenque: come back if you have any questions at all friend
[00:49] <pablenque> of course i will have to come back here a lot, im a noob now!!!
[01:27] <est31> I am wondering about the future of kubuntu or KDE + ubuntu. I've heard that there has been some trouble, and that 15.10 might be the last release?
[01:27] <est31> will 16.04 be released, is it a "stable" choice for the longer term?
[01:28] <Finetundar> dunno man, last I heard of that maddness was sowards march I think
[01:28] <Finetundar> *towards
[01:29] <est31> therefore I ask, whether there have been some updates
[01:29] <est31> really dont like having to move :)
[01:36] <finetundra__> dunno what to tell ya man
[01:52] <derekc> a
[01:53] <thulio> Hi there, how do I manage my IM accounts?
[02:16] <uofm49426> is there a classic kde desktop option without plasma running
[02:17] <uofm49426> plasma keep crashing on me
[02:33] <freeroute> hi
[02:34] <freeroute> I want to try out 15.10 once it comes out. Do you guys recommend me that or should I wait a couple of days before the kinks are ironed out?
[02:34] <freeroute> (in theory the FinalRelease should be stable, but you know, just to be sure)
[02:36] <abrahams> Whether you update on day 1 or wait for a few weeks after that you will still receive bugfix updates from time to time
[02:37] <abrahams> If you are excited to update no great reason to wait, really
[02:37] <genii> freeroute: Might want to check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes#Known_issues and see if you can live with the current known problems
[02:39] <freeroute> abrahams: though historically, a period after launch is accompanied with a bigger amount of patches and regressions right?
[02:41] <abrahams>  freeroute: more bug reports sure, but the heaviest update/patching work is done before the release, not after it
[02:43] <freeroute> ah I see, so right now is a busy period I reckon :)
[02:43] <freeroute> genii: thanks I'll check this out. From what I'm seeing this affects all of Ubuntu flavors. To view Kubuntu-specific issues, I should keep an eye on this page, right? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/WilyWerewolf/Alpha1/Kubuntu
[02:45] <freeroute> man I can not wait for Plasma 5 :D
[02:45] <genii> freeroute: There's probably another page also, but at least there, yes
[02:46] <freeroute> it's going to be my first "real" experience with KDE. I intend to use it as my main system.
[02:46] <freeroute> I saw some youtube videos and it looked fantastic.
[02:49] <genii> freeroute: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/  is probably a better jumping-off point. for instance right now the Beta2 link from there has a Release Notes specific to that one.
[02:49] <genii> freeroute: And when final freeze and release are finished, links and notes will also be available from there
[02:50] <josu_> Hello, I need some help with Konversation.  When I log into #kubuntu with my most-preferred nickname "josu", it comes up with "Nickname already in use. Trying josu_."
[02:50] <freeroute> thanks, I'll be checking those out :)
[02:51] <josu_> And there is no-one else named Josu in the list. So, why does the channel think there is?
[02:52] <est31> josu_, there is one called josu on the network
[02:52] <est31> that is already enough
[02:52] <est31> they just aren't on the #kubuntu channel
[02:53] <josu_> est31: Hmm... I can't see it. Maybe a bug with Konversation?
[02:53] <est31> josu_, no, its a general property of the irc network
[02:54] <abrahams> josu_: you would see it if you tried to type /msg josu, you could start a conversation with the original josu
[02:54] <genii> josu_:  /msg NickServ INFO josu      will tell you about the name. Likely it's registered to another user which is active
[02:54] <est31> best you find another nick, and then register it with nickserv
[02:55] <josu_> Kind of confusing... This is my first experience with IRC. Do I need to create an account or something?
[02:56] <abrahams> https://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[02:57] <genii> josu_: If you want to use the same name on Freenode every time you visit, you should pick a name which no one else is using and is not yet registered, then register it
[02:57] <genii> !register
[02:57] <josu_> Ok, thanks. I'll go check it out.
[03:02] <derekc> Im on Kubuntu 15.04 and the bluedevil systray icon just says no adapters found.  Am I missing something?
[03:07] <josu_> est31: Oh geez, now I finally understand - I didn't know there could possibly be another josu.
[03:10] <josu_> I'll use my name and last initial: JosuG
[03:39] <freeroute> does KDE have a similar feature as Unity's HUD for context menus? https://youtu.be/w_WW-DHqR3c?t=43
[05:03] <RickFreed> Hi everyone
[05:04] <RickFreed> New to KDE; tried out Mint with KDE the other day. Reg computer uses Mint with cinnamon, and I've got MATE running on Arch on an old chromebook.
[05:05] <RickFreed> I just finished building a new desktop for my living room, and wondered if KDE was the best way to go for a living room entertainment center; music, movies, YouTube, etc.
[05:06] <RickFreed> Any thoughts?
[05:15] <krise> SM Player wont play mp4 video files. what drivers should i update
[06:55] <Guest37766> hi
[07:26] <BKS> I am facing intel fifo error while login in kunbuntu 15.04
[09:12] <freeroute> oh this is interesting... so if I understand correctly, I can choose between the pre-installed applications and the DE itself? https://youtu.be/97p1eKZRzng?t=103
[09:13] <freeroute> how exactly would I do this, just download Ubuntu minimal and at the software selection stage choose only the KDE without applications?
[09:42] <freeroute> clipboard tool woohoo!
[10:49] <kamil_> hey guys, i have a problem
[10:49] <kamil_> and it is urgent
[10:50] <kamil_> i tried to resize my partition and move it toleft (i had about 200gb of free space at the left), but i got error, and now i have 200gb of free space and RAW partition
[10:50] <kamil_> what can i do?
[11:29] <philipp_> I want KWallet to prompt me to unlock right after login. How can I do this?
[11:39] <alvin> kamil_: sounds bad. Did you actually move the data yet?
[11:39] <alvin> philipp_: I guess you can set kwallet to autostart
[11:40] <alvin> philipp_: Keep in mind that autostart is pretty bugged in 15.04. It works, but you can't change settings afterwards, unless you change the .desktop files themselves.
[11:40] <kamil_> alvin: unfortunately no, i hve done resizing a lot of time, never had problems
[11:40] <alvin> This is fixed in 15.10 beta2
[11:40] <philipp_> thx alvin
[11:41] <kamil_> now i am checking disk with destdisk, it looks like partition is stil visible, but has corrupted fs
[11:41] <alvin> kamil_: In that case you lost the data. If this was before the resize, changing the partition table to what you had would have made it accesible again. But now?
[11:41] <alvin> philipp_: kwallet will open automatically when you use the same password as login (if I'm not mistaken here)
[11:42] <kamil_> alvin: but partition is not resized, sizes are same, just it looks like it is not formatted
[11:42] <alvin> Yes, but you moved it physically
[11:42] <kamil_> fck, and maybe some programs to restore data (such as recuva?)
[11:43] <alvin> I'm sure those might work, but I would use the backup at this point
[11:43] <alvin> Depends on the filesystem too. You need 2 things now. Detecting where the filesystem starts en ends, and then the recovery.
[11:44] <alvin> Maybe the first is enough, but I wouldn't bet on it.
[12:18] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:26] <alvin> Hi
[12:27] <alvin> Still trying 15.10 here. Now I discovered bookmarks are broken in konsole
[12:28] <alvin> 15.10: Konsole -> Bookmarks -> Edit Bookmarks does nothing. Can anyone confirm
[12:30] <alvin> Same problem in krdc
[12:49] <CapsAdmin> what could cause me being shown that fullscreen terminal after turning off my screen and leaving it off for a while then turning it on?
[12:50] <CapsAdmin> ctrl alt f7 just shows a flashing underscore
[12:50] <CapsAdmin> but sudo init 5 boots me back in again
[12:57] <alvin> Hey, that still works? I thought init levels were a thing of the past?
[12:58] <alvin> CapsAdmin: I suppose KDE or SDDM crashed here on sleep
[12:59] <BluesKaj> CapsAdmin:  looks to me like you're dropping to a VT/TTY and your power settings are shutting X off
[13:11] <CapsAdmin> i didn't get this issu ebefore i got a new monitor
[13:12] <CapsAdmin> i remember when i first plugged it in it wasn't being recognized so i had to reboot
[13:13] <weshgros> wesh
[13:14] <jbermudes> Can anyone running Kubuntu 15.04 confirm that in libreoffice writer if you right click on a word, the context menu shows no highlights for any menu item hovered over?
[13:16] <alvin> jbermudes: confirmed, but it flickers a little
[13:17] <jbermudes> hmm, I don't even get a flicker, but I assume both our situations are related to the same root cause
[13:17] <alvin> jbermudes: Seems to work on 15.10, but not on 15.04
[13:17]  * alvin just tried on 15.10
[13:17] <jbermudes> Maybe it's something about QT vs GTK or something?
[13:18] <jbermudes> I'm new to Kubuntu, so I'm still getting used to these kinds of things
[13:18] <alvin> I have no idea, but since it's fixed, there's probably already a bug report about it
[13:18] <alvin> Must be a fix in Qt/KDE/something else, but not in LibreOffice, because I'm already running the latest LibreOffice on 15.04
[15:12] <justazombie> hello
[15:13] <lordievader> o/
[15:13] <jackdinn> hi, im stuck and need some help , sys info (kubuntu 15.04, i7uPro, 16 G ram nvidia gtx770) my windows decorator keeps make a mess of my titles bars , blurry text , parts of the title bar missing & sometime the whole bar missing all together. Hoever when i try to change the setting it just crashes when i click on windows decorations http://i.imgur.com/74jmKgA.png
[15:14] <lordievader> jackdinn: Are you using the backports?
[15:15] <jackdinn> i cant change my windows decor at all as the setting windows closes after crashing,  i have asked here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/plasma-5-cant-change-window-decorations-4175555313/ but noone has helped can anyone please help :)
[15:15] <jackdinn> backports ? no not on this installation
[15:15] <lordievader> jackdinn: I'd upgrade to backports if I were you to see if that fixes the problems you are having.
[15:16] <lordievader> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[15:16] <jackdinn> btw this insstallation of kubuntu is brand new , only 2 days old now
[15:16] <jackdinn> k thx lordievader, i shall try that
[15:27] <jackdinn> so what exactly is the backports ? i might as well ask since its taking ages to upgrade all the files/packages
[15:29] <jackdinn> i thought it was just all the updates that came after the distro your on, so for kubuntu 15.04 it would be all the 15.10 file/package updates ?
[15:30] <jackdinn> or am i completely wrong :-/
[15:30] <genii> jackdinn: Backports are packages which first appeared in a later release and have since been also made to work with an earlier release
[15:30] <jackdinn> hmm so kinda what i was thinking then
[15:31] <jackdinn> just that they have been tested to be backwards compatible
[15:33]  * denza242 slides jackdinn ppa:kubuntu-ci/stable
[15:33]  * denza242 slithers away
[15:33] <jackdinn> ?
[15:36] <jackdinn> okey doky, backport upgraded , restart needed, fingers crossed (although i shant hold my bnreath as iv been trying to move from windows to linux for 6 months now with what must be nearly 50 60 majore problems , anyhow lets see what happens here, thx lordievader
[15:42] <jackdinn> well that did not work, still get same crash/error when i try to open the windows decor setting ?? grr why is this like swimming through treacle :(
[15:44] <lordievader> jackdinn: What driver are you using?
[15:44] <jackdinn> nvidia gtx 770 driver 346.96
[15:45] <jackdinn> was the recommended one
[15:46]  * lordievader wonders if nouveau works better
[15:46] <jackdinn> plus loads of my other problems were to do with my video/screens , but after disabling the on-board vid card it has fixed a lot of problems , just a pity that the problem just keep comming :(
[15:46] <jackdinn> nouveau looks terrible on my system
[15:46] <lordievader> Ah, it is one of those hybrid systems?
[15:47] <lordievader> I hear of nothing but trouble with those things.
[15:50] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  if it's an Optimus hybrid graphics with intel onboard and nvidia separate gpus then the nvidia driver should be the nvidia-prime
[15:51] <jackdinn> im dont know what all that means but im just looking to try and show you what exactly my main rig is
[15:51] <denza242> say, how would I install VLC 2.2.1 in Vivid?
[15:52] <denza242> (with a PPA that is)
[15:52] <jackdinn> http://www.ebuyer.com/719690-zoostorm-gaming-media-desktop-pc-7260-5106
[15:52] <jackdinn> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5094#ov
[15:53] <jackdinn> thats the comp (although mine is a little more high spec (but discontinued) the second link is my mobo
[15:54] <jackdinn> BluesKaj:  how do i try these drivers ? "nvidia driver should be the nvidia-prime"
[15:56] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  just sudo apt-get install nvidia-prime
[15:57] <jackdinn> no ppa needed?
[15:57] <jackdinn> sudo apt-get install nvidia-prime
[15:58] <jackdinn> opps meant nvidia-prime is already the newest version.
[15:59] <jackdinn> there must be a way to reset my decorations back to default , where are the setting held ??
[16:01] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  don't think that's a hybrid graphics system, and that nvidia gpu should be the default
[16:01] <denza242> jackdinn: you could try deleting your config to forcefully reset the config
[16:01] <jackdinn> where is it
[16:01] <jackdinn> ~/.config ?
[16:02] <jackdinn> or you talking about the nvidia confogs
[16:02] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  you should have a nvidia-xconfig file
[16:02] <jackdinn> yep
[16:03] <BluesKaj> also nvidia-prime doesn't apply in your case, the onboard gpu should be bypassed by default in the BIOS/UEFI
[16:03] <jackdinn>  etc/X11/xorg.conf  you mean that config file ?
[16:04] <jackdinn> yea i disabled the on board in bios
[16:04] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:04] <denza242> BluesKaj: what if it's a problem with the compositor?
[16:04] <denza242> I know the rendering backend/ OGL interface have given me problems before
[16:05] <jackdinn> denza242: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/plasma-5-cant-change-window-decorations-4175555313/
[16:06] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  which OpenGL do you have selected for backend rendering?
[16:06] <denza242> jackdinn: under "Compo-
[16:06] <denza242> BluesKaj beat me to it
[16:06] <jackdinn> it was fine on 14.10 but virtualBox just would not work , everyone gave up in the end so i installed kubuntu 15.04.... now more problems :(
[16:07] <jackdinn> emm.. just a min
[16:09] <jackdinn> denza242: sorry i must be in the wrong place http://imgur.com/zqhKdUj
[16:09] <denza242> jackdinn: System Settings > Display and Monitor > Compositor
[16:10] <jackdinn> rendering backend OpenGL 2.0
[16:11] <denza242> jackdinn: and OpenGL interface?
[16:11] <jackdinn> GLX
[16:11] <denza242> jackdinn: switch GLX to EGL and OpenGL 2.0 to OpenGL 3.1
[16:11] <jackdinn> k
[16:12] <jackdinn> hmm compositor has been disabled
[16:12] <denza242> weird
[16:13] <jackdinn> http://imgur.com/jSOIPrN
[16:13] <denza242> jackdinn: oh that's just a warning
[16:13] <jackdinn> im sooooo desperate to get away from windows :(
[16:13] <denza242> jackdinn: I think the compositor is still enabled
[16:14] <jackdinn> well yea but iv applied it and it has disabled the compositor
[16:14] <denza242> jackdinn: it's just a warning
[16:14] <denza242> with the nvidia blob driver, it should support OGL 3.1/EGL
[16:16] <jackdinn> well ok iv set them settings, i have no windows effects anymore but windows decor still crashes
[16:16] <denza242> hmm...
[16:16] <jackdinn> hmm iondeed, what a teamvier look ?
[16:17] <jackdinn> want a TV look that should have said
[16:17] <denza242> jackdinn: opengl 2.0 and EGL then?
[16:17] <jackdinn> k  a sec
[16:18] <jackdinn> nop, no dif
[16:19] <denza242> jackdinn: try just xrender
[16:19] <jackdinn> whats that :)
[16:20] <denza242> jackdinn: another rendering backend
[16:21] <jackdinn> o right, yea sorry no change
[16:21] <denza242> jackdinn: none of them work?
[16:22] <denza242> that's odd
[16:22] <denza242> jackdinn: is it just that you're getting the yellow warning dialogue?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  probly need to relogin to reload X
[16:22] <denza242> jackdinn: that too 6
[16:22] <denza242> *^
[16:22] <jackdinn> so which should i set them to before rebooting?
[16:23] <denza242> jackdinn: try opengl 3.1 and EGL
[16:31] <jackdinn> meh, still no joy, iv changed it back to GL2.0 and GLX & iv got the windows effects back but still crashes :-/
[16:32] <jackdinn> but it was set as you suggested after a reboot and still crashed
[16:35] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  check the driver manager again, seems to me the recommended driver isn't right for that gpu, maybe a newer one is in order
[16:36] <jackdinn> http://i.imgur.com/pByb9mo.png
[16:37] <jackdinn> do i need a PPA for a later nvidia driver , or direct DL from nvidia?
[16:39] <jackdinn> well nvidia says i need
[16:39] <jackdinn> Version: 	352.41
[16:39] <jackdinn> Release Date: 	2015.8.28
[16:40] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  is that driver available in the driver manager
[16:40] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:40] <jackdinn> nop, not atm unless i add the edges ppa (i think its called)
[16:41] <jackdinn> shall i go for it ?
[16:41] <jackdinn> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[16:42] <BluesKaj> yeah, don't bother with xedgers because when kernel modules are upgraded their driver won't be upgraded and hence breakage
[16:42] <jackdinn> so what just DL it from nvidia ?
[16:42] <BluesKaj> no
[16:42] <jackdinn> so just DL it from nvidia ?
[16:42] <jackdinn> sorry , double post , my bad
[16:43] <jackdinn> well what then , how can i get 352.41 without the ppa or DL'ing it ?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> you could use the xedgers, but don't upgrade any kernels until the same driver is available in the regular repos
[16:44] <jackdinn> i dont know what that means , lol
[16:45] <BluesKaj> xedgers offers a driver that isn't avilable in the regular repositories or the driver manager ''
[16:46] <jackdinn> so what am i doing ? i DL'ed the driver from nvidia http://www.nvidia.co.uk/content/DriverDownload-March2009/confirmation.php?url=/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/352.41/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-352.41.run&lang=uk&type=GeForce
[16:47] <jackdinn> but its a NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-352.41.run file
[16:47] <BluesKaj> for kubuntu that is, and xedgers does test their drivers to make sure they work , buit they just don't upgrade them as often as the Kubuntu repositories does, simple as that
[16:47] <jackdinn> how do i use this *.run file that iv just got from nvidia?
[16:48] <BluesKaj> jackdinn: don't use that driver, you're better off using the xedgers driver
[16:48] <jackdinn> im so lost outside windows, thats terrible init , lol
[16:49] <jackdinn> k ill add edgers
[16:52] <jackdinn> well i duno what else is in that PPA but its now updating a load of stuff
[16:55] <jackdinn> BluesKaj: iv noticed you keep saying xedgers , whereas the ppa i found was sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa  ?
[16:55] <siervo> hello all
[16:55] <jackdinn> hi
[16:56] <siervo> I just installed Kubuntu and I want to install Konqueror on it, didn't see it on the app store. Is there a default root pw?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  yeah it's short for xorg-edgers
[16:57] <jackdinn> o right, well its all updated but i dont see any new driver versions for the card
[16:57] <jackdinn> 346.93, same as before
[16:58] <jackdinn> but im sure i have seen 352 in the driver man before on one of my other distros
[16:59] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  well it's your choice then
[17:00] <jackdinn> BluesKaj: ooo hold up the decor setting GUI has now stopped crashing , i have no clue exactly what / why but it is working atm
[17:00] <jackdinn> maybe the backport , even though i tried it after that
[17:02] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  keeping the packages up to date helps get rid of problems
[17:02] <jackdinn> BluesKaj: o this is comical , i got 1 change of windows decor but now its gone back to crashing again, jeess
[17:03] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  do you have all the repositories in muon discover enabled?
[17:04] <jackdinn> friging hell, i have been at this for soo long :(, i suspect it will be yet another distro (about my 9th)
[17:04] <jackdinn> err, a sec ill show you
[17:04] <jackdinn> BluesKaj:  they are all ticked
[17:05] <jackdinn> o sorry what these ? BluesKaj
[17:05] <jackdinn> http://imgur.com/kC62xLN
[17:06] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  changing distros isn't going to make erros and problems go away, stick with one until it works for you and don't try to change too many settings at one time.
[17:07] <jackdinn> k thats good logic, but i have had such a hard time
[17:08] <jackdinn> BluesKaj:  so should all them other software sources be ticked ?
[17:08] <BluesKaj> check every box in the sources list except the cdrom one then update and upgrade
[17:12] <jackdinn> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[17:12] <jackdinn>  kwin : Depends: kwin-x11 but it is not installed
[17:12] <BluesKaj> install kwinx-11
[17:14] <jackdinn> BluesKaj: k just do a restart , cheers
[17:15] <BluesKaj> if that doesn't work open a terminal and run sudo dpkg --configure -a, then sudo apt-get -f install
[17:15] <lordievader> Perhaps first check why it doesn't want to install kwin-x11.
[17:16] <BluesKaj> he left
[17:16] <siervo> is there a default root password or repository I need to setup to download Konqueror or rekonq on Kubuntu? Just installed
[17:16] <BluesKaj> siervo:  are you on a phone?
[17:17] <lordievader> BluesKaj: It was addressed to you to ;)
[17:17] <BluesKaj> lordievader:  dependencies
[17:18] <lordievader> Sure, but why are they unmet. That is the real question.
[17:19] <BluesKaj> we always wonder why they're unmet :-) ...but it seems installing kwn-x11 install worked
[17:20] <BluesKaj> he didn't have all his repos enabled either
[17:21] <jackdinn> BluesKaj: well still the same, many thx for the help. im going to give my head a rest for a while, cheers for ya time :D
[17:22] <BluesKaj> sidid you try the commands I posted? open a terminal and run sudo dpkg --configure -a, then sudo apt-get -f install
[17:23] <BluesKaj> jackdinn: ^
[17:23] <lordievader> jackdinn: Is kwin-x11 installed?
[17:23] <jackdinn> k np i shall give it a go
[17:23] <jackdinn> yea i did install it
[17:24] <jackdinn> 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.
[17:30] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  also make sure you have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[17:31] <jackdinn> k, no harm
[17:34] <jackdinn> BluesKaj: done lots of stuff being installed/updated but still same unfortunately
[17:39] <BluesKaj> jackdinn:  those aren't meant to fix your problem, but they do indtsll flash and java plugins etc that help with bowsing websites and playing media files that require plugins for codecs etc
[17:40] <whlai_> jello all
[17:40] <whlai_> how do you reverse a zone with a  /16 subnet?
[17:41] <whlai_> server is <IP_ADDRESS>, sub is <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:41] <whlai_> need a reverse zone for BIND9 config in named.conf.local
[17:44] <BluesKaj> whlai_:  looks like a question for ##networking
[17:44] <lordievader> Or for #ubuntu-server
[17:45] <lordievader> jackdinn: Could you give a summary of the problem? (Im to lazy to read the backlog)
[17:46] <jackdinn> lordievader: thx for the offer but im just about to eat so will be away for a while, appreciated though
[17:46] <jackdinn> maybe you can help on this forum http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/plasma-5-cant-change-window-decorations-4175555313/
[17:47] <jackdinn> as no one else seems to be able to ^^
[17:47] <jackdinn> back later , many thx all :)
[17:53] <kwaadpepper> Hi is anyone getting crashes on vanilla 15.04 ? I have bumblebee + nvidia-355 stuff and GTX 870M
[17:53] <kwaadpepper> I had to install backports
[17:54] <kwaadpepper> to update plasma
[17:59] <BluesKaj> kwaadpepper:  nvidia-prime ?
[18:12] <krise> sm player wont play mp4 files, how can i fix it
[18:54] <kwaadpepper> Yes nvidia-prime
[18:55] <kwaadpepper> v 0.8.1
[19:58] <genii> !info juffed trusty-backports
[19:58] <genii> !info juffed trusty
[19:58] <genii> Hm, 3 and not 4, so still buggy
[20:14] <aphixe> hello guys, just curious i didn't make a swap file because i have 8gb, but then i read a conflict about laptops needing swap partition for sleep. also thought i saw you can just make a swap file.?
[20:17] <JosuG> aphixe: You need a swap partition if you are going to enable hibernation. If you are not going to enable hibernation, you can use a swap file.
[20:18] <bprompt> ditto
[20:19] <aphixe> JosuG:  so.. can i shrink root / partition to fit swap partition. also what is a swap file for. sleep with battery holding memory in a file?
[20:19] <JosuG> aphixe: Keep in mind though that hibernation may not work correctly on all computers.  "Suspend to RAM" or "Sleep" is different than "Suspend to disk" or "Hibernate" and does not use swap at all.
[20:20] <JosuG> aphixe: So you do not need swap for sleep.
[20:20] <aphixe> JosuG: well i know one saves to disk and other saves to ram while using small bit of battery
[20:20] <JosuG> aphixe: Correct. Hibernate saves to disk, and sleep saves to ram.
[20:21] <bprompt> aphixe:    the swap partition is needed for hibernation, to store the session state for reloading at boot, hibernation is not sleep, sleep is simply an energy saving state while activity is low or none
[20:21] <aphixe> JosuG: i guess its trial and error to know if hibernate is supported on my laptop. and if so i need to some how shrink my partition for swap
[20:23] <aphixe> bprompt: ok so can say gparted shrink partition and then i add what size of swap. i don't want to use up too much. also gparted i assume has to be ran on a live usb because system disk is in use
[20:24] <bprompt> aphixe:    well... if  you were referring all along about sleep mode, you don't need it, if you meant hibernation, then you do, as JosuG  correctly pointed out, but if you meant sleep mode, with 8gbs ram, depending on usage, you may not need the swap partition/file
[20:25] <JosuG> aphixe: To enable a swap partition: http://askubuntu.com/questions/33697/how-do-i-add-a-swap-partition-after-system-installation
[20:26] <aphixe> bprompt: isn't the benefit of hibernation to quickly boot up and to turn off hardware to save battery
[20:26] <bprompt> aphixe:   but, yes, I'd do it from a liveusb session
[20:26] <JosuG> And then, to test hibernation type the command "sudo pm-hibernate"
[20:27] <bprompt> aphixe:    ahemm, nope, the idea behind hibernation, is that the "shutdown state" is kept, and you can resume whatever you were doing and pick up where you left off after booting up, all apps and files that were open, will just pick up where they left off, that's the saving of hibernation
[20:29] <bprompt> aphixe:   if you just need the system, when the activity is low or none, to save energy by turning off hardware and processes no needed, then that'd be sleep mode, and for that, you don't need a swap partition/file
[20:29] <DeaDSouL> hi, is there any way possible to make the inporting tool in digikam uses all cores ?
[20:31] <bprompt> DeaDSouL:    dunno myself, I don't use digikam, I use gwenview
[20:32] <bprompt> DeaDSouL:    importing couldn't take that long anyhow, unless you're digitizing the congress library =)
[20:32] <DeaDSouL> bprompt: i need to use digikam to add tags, and faces contacts...
[20:33] <DeaDSouL> bprompt: well, try to import 51,000 images... and then tell me how long did you wait ;)
[20:33] <bprompt> 51,000 images? holy molly, why not just make them an mp4 :P
[20:36] <DeaDSouL> bprompt: lol,,... so many duplicated images... ;P i need digikam to make it easier find them and delete the duplicates :D
[20:36] <DeaDSouL> to find *
[20:38] <bprompt> hmm.... hmm.... haven't needed to use it myself
[20:43] <JosuG> I looked at the docs at https://docs.kde.org/trunk4/en/extragear-graphics/digikam/digikam.pdf.  I couldnt find anything about cores or performance.
[20:44] <JosuG> I used the Find in Page feature to look for "cores" and all I could find was the word "underscores" lol :P
[20:45]  * bprompt underscores that
[20:45] <JosuG> By the way, did anyone notice a whole bunch of people log out all at once?
[20:47] <bprompt> I have log in/out off =), thus nope
[20:48] <bprompt> but if so, that explains a few things, traffic is a bit low, the many "log out at once", simply means a netsplit, thus
[20:49] <JosuG> Hmm... I just started using IRC a few days ago and I guess I just don't know lots of stuff about how it works.
[20:53] <bprompt> JosuG:    netsplit means, one network, many servers logged into it, say, you may be on a swedish server, logged to freenode.net, and some say other 20 folks may be on a australian server, logged to freenode.net network, both in the same network, BUT, if the australian server gets a downtime for some reason, you'll notice 20 folks "logging out" per se
[20:54] <JosuG> bprompt: Ok that makes sense. Thanks.
[20:54] <bprompt> anyhow, but netsplits are often more than just one server, sometimes could be say 5 or 3 servers getting some downtime for some reason, updating or testing or other server issue, and when that happens, you'll notice about 100 or 1000 folks/nicks logging out per se, due to the netsplit
[20:55] <bprompt> and when the servers come and log back in the network, you'd see about 100 or 1000 nicks logging in at once also =)
[20:55] <JosuG> Yep, I noticed that, too.
[20:56] <JosuG> And now I turned off the login/logout messages. What a waste of space in the chat window.
[20:57] <bprompt> well, they could be useful, I mean, you wouldn't know about the netsplit unless you saw that flag :)
[20:57] <bprompt> I usually have them ON btw, just now and then I have them off
[20:58] <JosuG> I'll keep that in mind.
[20:59] <bprompt> also you can tell who just came in, or left, and that's also useful, we have sometime dry-by's, folks may ask something, and leave a few seconds later, you may reply and he/she's gone
[21:07] <bprompt> JosuG:    http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?net=freenode   <---- btw, if you want to check out other channels, or other networks
[21:45] <mparillo_> Sometimes I answer the drive-bys anyway in case somebody is checking the logs (http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/)