[07:21] <slyon> schopin: Yeah.. I have been considering pygobject as well before. Up to now I've been trying to avoid that added dependency and defined minimal internal data structures via ctypes (like GError in the cli_get_set tests).
[07:24] <slyon> But we're using many glib data structures in libnetplan and considering the consolidation of C/Python parsers it might be really helpful to be able to access all those, in order to simplify the integration. src:pygobject is already in Ubuntu "main" so that shouldn't be a problem.
[07:25] <slyon> Considering the size... python3-gi adds ~200kB (where netplan.io + libnetplan0 are ~150kB), so that's quite heavy... but should probably not bloat the initramfs too much, I guess.
[07:25] <slyon> So if you think this is the best/cleanest approach, especially considering the consolidation of parsers as well, I'd say: go for it!
[07:52] <schopin> slyon: where are the sources for our NM netplan plugin? I found this https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/-/merge_requests/556/ but is there a standalone repo somewhere?
[07:57] <slyon> schopin: yeah, that was the (old) upstream RFC that was rejected. The "official" upstream (i.e. what is being shipped in the network-manager/20/stable snap would be this patch: https://git.launchpad.net/~snappy-hwe-team/snappy-hwe-snaps/+git/network-manager/tree/snap-patch/networkmanager/0002-nm-netplan-keyfile.patch?h=snap-20
[07:58] <slyon> There is also a repo somewhere on my personal github that should (currently) be equivalent to that patch. let me find the link.
[07:59] <slyon> https://github.com/slyon/NetworkManager/commits/slyon/backend-1.22.10
[08:00] <schopin> My current plans are to first move all the globals into a single netplan_state structure. This'll allow me to pass a pointer to this structure in any new API that I need to design, instead of relying on global state, whereas the old API can still use a global instance of this structure
[08:00] <schopin> thanks for the link :)
[08:12] <slyon> ack. sounds good. We just need to make sure not to break the ABI as well. But IIRC non of our consumers (NetworkManager snap & netplan.io python CLI) are accessing the globals directly. So we should be fine moving them into a struct (also long as keeping the old globals around, not to change the memory layout)
[08:13] <schopin> That's the thing : we cannot keep the old globals around.
[08:13] <schopin> Well, not netdefs_ordered.
[08:14] <schopin> Unless we want to duplicate the list, which seems like an error waiting to happen.
[08:15] <schopin> But if we don't have any consumer code accessing those globals directly, why would we want to keep them around?
[08:50] <schopin> also, do we need to consider the Python CLI as a proper consumer of the ABI? It seems reasonable to me to expect a lockstep upgrade of both libnetplan and netplan.io as they're from the same source package.
[08:54] <slyon> hmm... I mean that's fine going forward, bumping the soversion of the library. But I wonder how we could support the stable/LTS series, I guess we'd need lots of backporting then..
[08:56] <slyon> libnetplan and the netplan.io python CLI can be upgraded independently right now. And that was how we discovered an ABI breakage in the 0.102 release. We could update the packaging of netplan in Ubuntu, though, to fix that situation and make them only upgrade in parallel.
[08:57] <slyon> But it's a bit trickier for the NetworkManager snap, especially as it currently still vendorizes it's own copy of libnetplan that might then be incompatible with the one installed in the Ubuntu Core20 base system
[08:59] <slyon> I think we would at least need to keep the globals around and fill them with NULL, so that the memory layout doesn't change. Appending any new data structures to the end. But I guess I need to think a bit more about how we can keep this backwards compatible to the stable series.


[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70812 in Ubuntu "Update program (Edgy 6.10)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70812
[12:29] <popey> heh, first one I look at is in french dsas :)
[12:30] <dsas> popey: heh, often it's useful to ask them for a translation to english if possible.
[12:31] <dsas> if it's a gnome bug, seb128 will probably get to it before they have chance though ;)
[12:31] <dsas> popey: Feel free to edit the original "description" with fixes like the proper link.
[12:32] <popey> as you can't do that on support requests, I assumed you couldn't on bugs
[12:32] <popey> thanks
[12:32] <popey> might have a go at a couple tomorrow
[12:32] <dsas> popey: Yeah, malone is a bit better than the support-tracker in a few ways...
[12:33] <popey> i note new features in the support tracker on the staging server though
[12:34] <dsas> popey: Personally I subscribe to most bugs that I edit/comment too - helps catch any mistakes I make so I don't do them again. Got into the habit from gnome bugzilla
[12:34] <dsas> popey: Yeah, it does seem better. Last time I tried playing It kept oopsing when I created a ticket though...
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70813 in Ubuntu "package request from debian: glipper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70813
[12:36] <popey> time for bed, thanks for the tips
[12:39] <dsas> popey: good night
[12:39] <dsas> thanks for playing!
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70814 in kdeedu (main) "kverbos in edgy cant open standard verb file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70814
[12:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70815 in gobby (universe) "gobby crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70815
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70819 in Ubuntu "OpenOffice Crashes when copy-pasting! LOST MY WORK :'(" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70819
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70820 in sysinfo (universe) "sysinfo crash in Ubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70820
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70821 in glibmm2.4 (main) "libglibmm-2.4-dev seems to be buggy on ppc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70821
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69086 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "soft lock detected on CPU#0 (system crashed) after acpi sleep event problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69086
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70825 in Ubuntu "background change" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70825
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70824 in ttf-dejavu (main) "Greek characters appear smudged in printouts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70824
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70830 in istanbul (universe) "Fickering Video" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70830
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70831 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "thunderbird closes itself without warning." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70831
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70833 in ltsp (main) "edubuntu-artwork problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70833
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70834 in neverball (universe) "While starting the program crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70834
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70835 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 (restricted) "source version is different from nvidia xserver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70835
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70836 in usplash (main) "example eft-theme.so doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70836
[05:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70837 in beagle (main) "Beagle 'Applications' search doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70837
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70838 in beagle (main) "Beagle 'Everywhere' search shows calendar events, but 'Calendar events' search doesn't" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70838
[06:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70839 in gaim (main) "Gaim missing :| emoticon (smiley)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70839
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70840 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes while watching flash movie" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70840
[06:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70841 in dgen (multiverse) "running dgen (wishlist)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70841
[06:36] <Burgundavia> crimsun: we blanket reject all flash bugs, no?
[06:36] <Burgundavia> oh right, you already got to it
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70842 in Ubuntu "MP3s or OGGs won't play in xine-based apps after upgrade from Dapper to Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70842
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68158 in Baltix (main) "Firefox 2.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68158
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70843 in ubiquity (main) "installer keeps crashing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70843
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70844 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythfilldatabase crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70844
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70845 in update-manager (main) "update manager crashes when trying to update an application" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70845
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70846 in zip (main) "zip should have large file support in Dapper (and later)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70846
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70827 in mplayerplug-in (main) "mplayer can't play videos with firefox 2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70827
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70829 in gdm (main) "gdm should use dejavu fonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70829
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70848 in soundconverter (universe) "Sound Converter Missing Icon Under App > Sound..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70848
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70849 in synaptic (main) "Crash when trying to lock version for tora package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70849
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70850 in gnome-system-tools (main) "show all users checkbox is gone" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70850
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70852 in elinks (main) "including hardcoded ../po/ in translation PATH" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70852
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70853 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when visiting map24.com" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70853
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70851 in ubiquity (main) "installation error installins ubuntu v6.06 directly from CD-boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70851
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70854 in Baltix (universe) "Tcc fails to link executables" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70854
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70856 in linux-meta (main) "ZyXEL G-220 wireless network USB adapter not detected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70856
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70857 in epiphany-browser (main) "Gecko page numbers start at 1, while gtk page numbers start at 0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70857
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70858 in readahead-list (main) "Readahead should start in the background" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70858
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70859 in evince (main) "Can't print multiple copies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70859
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70860 in gaim (main) "(Usability) Add MSN account "Screen name"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70860
[10:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70861 in ecj-bootstrap (main) "libgcj_bc.so.1 not installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70861
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70862 in pmount (main) "cannot unmount hal-mounted volumes as user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70862
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70863 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 (restricted) "nvidia-glx-config clobbers keyboard layout" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70863
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70864 in Ubuntu "klipper icon covers top applications bar at startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70864
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70865 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 (restricted) "nvidia-glx-config cannot load driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70865
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70866 in kdelibs (main) "Disabling DES-CBC3-SHA makes access to some SSL secured websites fail." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70866
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70867 in amarok (main) "if you listen to streamripper ripped mp3 amarok sometimes crashes heavily" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70867
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70868 in Ubuntu "NTFS partitions becomes disabled after KDE logoff" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70868
[11:35] <Hobbsee> that's got a dupe, somewhere
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70869 in scribus-ng (universe) "Absturz durch Signal#11" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70869
[11:36] <gnomefreak> same user
[11:36] <gnomefreak> i marked it
[11:38] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70870 in Ubuntu "startup:: there are differences between boot sector and its backup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70870
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70871 in Ubuntu "Crash while trying to save the ISDN Config" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70871
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70872 in firefox (main) "Firefox makes X run out windows" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70872
[12:14] <dooglus> is there a text editor which can edit files which are larger than available memory?  ie. it will 'page in' the part of the file I'm currently editing?
[12:15] <dooglus> um - why am I in this channel?  sorry!
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70873 in gtkpod-aac (multiverse) "core dump on adding m4a file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70873
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70874 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "linux-image-2.6.19-5-generic kernel panic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70874
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70875 in firefox (main) "Backing out of a unplayable totem .avi video causes freeze and crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70875
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70876 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "kernel exception when reading/writing on ext3 filesystem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70876
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70877 in openoffice.org (main) "copy from Writer to Mozilla-firefox crash and close Openoffice.org 2.0.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70877
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70878 in evolution (main) "evolution-alarm-notify crash at midnight" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70878
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70879 in evolution (main) "missing plugins" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70879
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70880 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "PCI: Bus #04 (-#07) is hidden behind transparent bridge" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70880
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70881 in cupsys (main) "backend modules for cups in wrong directory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70881
[02:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70882 in gaim (main) "gaim 2.0.0 beta 3.1 sluggish send message and crash on trace" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70882
[02:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70883 in acpi-support (main) "acpi-support should conflict with 915resolution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70883
[03:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70884 in file-roller (main) "Unable to open archives over windows share" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70884
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70885 in totem (main) "streaming video does not work (Totem)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70885
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70886 in Ubuntu "Dead keys for diacritics not complete" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70886
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70887 in python2.4 (main) "Crash when closing a simple program" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70887
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70888 in pyopengl (universe) "edgy: glBindTexture: long int too large to convert to int" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70888
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70889 in ekiga (main) "The video controls (contrast, Brightness, ... ) don't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70889
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70890 in ufraw (universe) "Changed tiff to save with compression" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70890
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70891 in evolution (main) "Mail filters do not work on IMAP mailbox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70891
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70892 in firefox (main) "crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70892
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70893 in evolution (main) "Evolution occasionally hangs while accessing IMAP mailbox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70893
[04:26] <bddebian> Boo
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70894 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "Upgrade from Dapper to Edgy, Logging off current user in Gnome skews monitor at log on screen." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70894
[04:37] <xerxas> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gajim/+bug/65670
[04:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65670 in gajim "Gajim don't redraw chat window" [Undecided,Needs info]
[04:37] <xerxas> can I reject this one ?
[04:37] <xerxas> it's on dapper, and I don't think we will upload a new version of gajim in dapper
[04:38] <xerxas> I mean this one , not the previous one: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gajim/+bug/64202
[04:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64202 in gajim "[Dapper]  Ctrl+backspace scrolls chat window" [Undecided,Needs info]
[04:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70895 in upstart (main) "empty doc directories" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70895
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70896 in gaim (main) "Gaim chrashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70896
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70897 in language-pack-cs (main) "Nzev Synapticu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70897
[05:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70898 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 (restricted) "Segmentation fault (core dumped) executing fglrxinfo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70898
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70900 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Thunderbird uses a beep as notification" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70900
[05:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70899 in kickseed (main) "%post scripting section - issues running apt-get install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70899
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70901 in gdm (main) "GDM doesn't allow login if password contains "" character" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70901
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70902 in python-defaults (main) "pydoc logging traceback" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70902
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70903 in Ubuntu "Cannot hibernate after Dapper -> Edgy upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70903
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70904 in pbuilder (main) "pbuilder in feisty should default to feisty distribution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70904
[05:37] <|joe|> hello
[05:38] <|joe|> i'd like to ask one question, hope there is someone who can answer/help me :)
[05:38] <|joe|> i fixed one bug in launchpad/rosetta but somehow nothing happens (patch attached in launchpad)
[05:39] <|joe|> can i do something about it or should i just wait till something happens? (it's still marked as unconfirmed)
[05:39] <jonh_wendell> |joe|: tell the bug number
[05:39] <|joe|> jonh_wendell: 70424
[05:40] <jonh_wendell> bug 70424
[05:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70424 in knights "crashes when trying to perform castle (king/rook exchange)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70424
[05:40] <|joe|> exactly
[05:41] <|joe|> the knights package in current state is actually of no use because it crashes on an elementary chess move
[05:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70906 in ubiquity (main) "installation error v6.06 directly from CD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70906
[05:48] <geser> |joe|: have you tested if the attached patch fixes your problem?
[05:49] <|joe|> geser: yes, i rebuilt the package with debuild, installed and it worked
[05:51] <jonh_wendell> |joe|: join in #kubuntu-devel, i'm asking there
[05:51] <|joe|> jonh_wendell: ok
[05:52] <|joe|> jonh_wendell: is actually the pkg maintainer notified automatically in any way about the bugs?
[05:53] <|joe|> or is it just the bugsquad team that needs to "forward" this issues
[05:53] <jonh_wendell> |joe|: maybe. but i guess in that package specificly not
[05:53] <geser> ubuntu has no maintainers in the same sense as debian has
[05:53] <geser> motu people care about the packages in universe
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70907 in inkscape (main) "can't use latex formula effect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70907
[05:56] <geser> my experience is that if you have/know a fix for a bug in a universe package you need to find someone who will do it
[05:57] <|joe|> and who is actually the "maintainer" listed in the launchpad?
[05:57] <geser> the more you have prepared the easier is it to find someone
[05:58] <geser> creator is the ubuntu person doing the last upload and maintainer is the orignal maintainer from debian
[05:58] <|joe|> hmmm i see
[05:59] <geser> who has in most case nothing to do with the ubuntu package
[05:59] <|joe|> sarah is from australia so i should come around probably earlier tomorrow
[06:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70908 in inkscape (main) "fill and stroke don't work for marker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70908
[06:00] <|joe|> and who can actually change the bug status, e.g. to confirmed?
[06:01] <|joe|> i read something on the wiki but the workflow is not completely clear to me :)
[06:04] <geser> |joe|: in theory everyone can but you should only do it when you know what you do (after reading the wiki pages)
[06:05] <|joe|> geser: i don't see any such option in launchpad, isn't this reserved only to the members of some teams?
[06:07] <geser> you get the options if you click on the link in the "Affects" column
[06:08] <|joe|> aaah you're right of course, thanks :)
[06:08] <|joe|> anyway i'll try to contant sarah
[06:09] <|joe|> would it be btw ok to subscribe the pkg creator to the bug or is it something a polite person doesn't do here? :)
[06:11] <geser> if you don't want to upset someone don't do it until you know it's ok
[06:14] <|joe|> ok thanks all for your help
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70909 in firefox (main) "when starting a java applet this message comes:" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70909
[06:26] <mailer> Hi, cannot see bug files with launchpad for this --- evince 0.6.1 shipped with edgy wont print in landscape
[06:26] <mailer> evince irc channel lets us  know the issue (possibly others) fixed in source and there was talk of a new release soon
[06:27] <mailer> ANything else I should do ... if this is not known to bugsquad?
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70910 in firefox (main) "firefox crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70910
[06:32] <geser> mailer: sounds like bug 67432
[06:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67432 in evince "evince does'nt print correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67432
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70911 in mono (main) "mono crash edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70911
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70913 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "New Processor Option" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70913
[06:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70914 in firefox (main) "firefox crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70914
[06:54] <mailer> geser, thanks. The issue is about to be fixed at source at evince. Will comment to the bug tomorrow
[06:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70915 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "acpi_cpufreq used instead of speedstep-centrino" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70915
[06:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70917 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "kernel hangs for a few seconds during boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70917
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70918 in ubiquity (main) "I'm sorry but what the hell is this" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70918
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70919 in apport (main) "No Way to Submit Crashes in Apport" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70919
[07:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70920 in acpi-support (main) "[Feisty]  trying to overwrite `/etc/acpi/resume.d/13-915-resolution-set.sh', which is also in package 915resolution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70920
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70921 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "ueagle-atm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70921
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70922 in Ubuntu "Corrupted edgy package list on US mirror" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70922
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70924 in shared-mime-info (main) "patch file contents detected as Glade XML" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70924
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70925 in texlive-base (universe) "Utopia fonts missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70925
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70927 in compiz (universe) "Compiz crash---Probably user error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70927
[07:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70926 in lastfmsubmitd (universe) "preconfigure fails, followed by import failure on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70926
[07:43] <mini> Hi everyone! I just added my first "upstream" link to an ubuntu bug, but chose the wrong product, can that be changed?
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70933 in gnumeric (main) "Error bars tab disappeared from the graph guru in 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70933
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70935 in firefox (main) "Official item is of bad quality" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70935
[08:09] <joumetal> mini could you give a bug number please.
[08:09] <mini> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63418
[08:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63418 in bugzilla "CPU soft lockup during bootup" [Unknown,In progress]
[08:10] <mini> obviously not a bugzilla bug :-/
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70936 in kdebase (main) "No umount option on cdrom device icon in Kubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70936
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70937 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Package "mozilla-thunderbird" should be renamed to "thunderbird"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70937
[08:15] <joumetal> mini I think it's possible with launchpad account.
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69410 in spim (multiverse) "Don't work xspim" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69410
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70938 in cacti (universe) "installer does not create cacti database" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70938
[08:23] <mini> anyone else knows how to change the upstream "Product" in a bug? Or remove it and add a new one.
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70939 in qemu (universe) "Qemu issues." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70939
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70940 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 (restricted) "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70940
[08:29] <orion2012> mini: I was under the impression that the product selection was automatic based on the external bug tracker.
[08:29] <mini> ah
[08:30] <mini> 'cause I had to add the tracker, as it didn't exist.
[08:30] <mini> orion2012: so can I edit the tracker/delete it somewhere?
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70941 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70941
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70942 in apport (main) "apport-gtk crashes dealing with python .crash files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70942
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70944 in Ubuntu "No sound with ALSA after dist-update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70944
[08:30] <orion2012> mini: I see, you can click on the upstream "Affects" hyperlink to change it.
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70945 in bluez-utils (main) "remote control does not work in Edgy's bluez-utils" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70945
[08:32] <mini> orion2012: can't delete it there, and cannot edit the information I need
[08:33] <geser> I think you can only reject the wrong one and add a new one
[08:35] <mini> Seems I've hit bug 3140
[08:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3140 in malone "Bug watches can't be removed" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3140
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70946 in apport (main) "apport should capture the md5sum of relevant files to detect local modifications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70946
[08:36] <mini> Still, what about editing the information about a remote tracker?
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70947 in kdebluetooth (main) "bluetooth:/ protocol fails to locate bluetooth devices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70947
[08:41] <mini> Hmm, this page: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugtrackers/bughost.org shows information about the bug system
[08:41] <mini> But there is no registered Product there, so that's not the problem
[08:43] <mini> taking this to #launchpad
[08:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68600 in ebuntu (main) "Ubiquity install fails" [Low,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68600
[08:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70948 in xfce4-taskmanager (main) "taskmanager stops refreshing application window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70948
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70949 in bluez-gnome (main) "Crashes on login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70949
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70951 in gnome-desktop (main) "double click in file from my desktop folder open the application, but focus is not in new application." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70951
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70954 in usplash (main) "Information/request for Usplash-Switcher" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70954
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70955 in pythoncard (universe) "bad executables in /usr/bin/" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70955
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70956 in gobby (universe) "window list throbber set off by chat window even when chat closed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70956
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70957 in python2.5 (main) "support apport reporting for python programs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70957
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70958 in ubuntu-docs (main) "missing /usr/share/gnome/help/libs/generic.ent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70958
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70959 in update-manager (main) "update-manager doesn't install updates when Italian locale is on" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70959
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70960 in linux-meta (main) "wishlist: please build the image server for 386 platforms" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70960
[09:47] <jonh_wendell> Hi, seb128
[09:47] <seb128> hi
[09:48] <jonh_wendell> i guess you know my friend in conference
[09:48] <jonh_wendell> seb128: he's OgMaciel
[09:48] <jonh_wendell> he's brazilian too
[09:49] <jonh_wendell> seb128: did you know him?
[09:49] <seb128> jonh_wendell: no
[09:50] <jonh_wendell> :(
[09:50] <seb128> there is many people there
[09:51] <jonh_wendell> that's true
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70961 in Ubuntu "No keyboard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70961
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70962 in make-dfsg (main) "Make's echo behaviour changes after upgrade to Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70962
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70004 in xubuntu-docs (main) "Xubuntu 6.06 stated when booting the 6.10 cd...." [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70004
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70963 in Ubuntu "Cannot change resolution after resuming from hibernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70963
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70964 in mini-dinstall (universe) "mini-dinstall is slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70964
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70965 in telepathy-inspector (universe) "Crashed after opening "Connection Manager" combo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70965
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70966 in fluxbox (universe) "Fluxbox crashes at the start in ru_RU.UTF-8 locale, x86 architecture, edgy 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70966
[10:40] <somerville32> Hi! :)
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70967 in firefox (main) "It can't open multiples windows in multihead session" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70967
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70968 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu Should Automatically Mount usbfs At Boot Time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70968
[10:44] <somerville32> Is anyone here from ubuntu-qa?
[10:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68849 in update-manager (main) "Error while updrading from Dapper to Edgy" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68849
[10:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70970 in language-pack-kde-de-base (main) "German Quanta translation not included" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70970
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70969 in xserver-xorg-driver-i810 (main) "Crash when try to run OpenOffice using Multihead setting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70969
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70971 in apt (main) "apt-get silently fails to install package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70971
[11:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70973 in firefox (main) "Closing Firefox -> crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70973
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70972 in Ubuntu "Sometimes three programs crash when closing up in Xubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70972
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70975 in firefox (main) "Crash when Add/Remove programs finishes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70975
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70976 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythfrontend crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70976
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70977 in totem (main) "Totem crashes on exit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70977


[15:51]  * mr_steve starts school today, whee
[16:11] <h00k> mr_steve: boo!
[16:12] <mr_steve> heya h00k, how goes it?
[16:20] <mr_steve> I'm being made to use Windows for my online math class :(
[16:21] <h00k> ...why?
[16:21] <h00k> for what?
[16:21] <mr_steve> The online tests use an ActiveX plugin
[16:23] <h00k> fail. :(
[16:24] <mr_steve> Quite
[16:24] <h00k> virtual machine?
[16:24] <mr_steve> I'm thinking about it. My laptop's a little under-powered, but it could probably handle an XP VM
[16:25] <h00k> I have Windows run faster in a VM on this machine than natively :(
[16:25] <mr_steve> I've discovered the same thing, I've already got one XP VM on one of my servers, it runs my BBS
[16:27] <mr_steve> I'm fresh out of legit XP licenses I think, but meh
[19:18] <Snoopy> So lucid is more stable when doing a fresh install
[19:18] <h00k> probably
[19:19] <Snoopy> I tried the upgrade and it didn't load the login page as a GUI, it did it in like a terminal
[19:20] <Snoopy> But if anyone tries lucid, wait till Alpha 2 (jan 14)
[19:21] <Snoopy> It should be more stable
[19:24] <Snoopy> But with the way I depend on my computer so much, I need a bootable backup of my whole system
[19:39] <Snoopy> I suggest this: Don't test lucid until Alpha 2.... It is a waste of space and time installing Alpha 1 because of all of the bugs... I just found one
[20:04] <Snoopy> Anyone know what 10.10 is going to be codenamed?
[21:09] <zomGreg> mangy mutt?
[21:09] <zomGreg> mellifluous monarch?
[21:34] <tonyyarusso> We don't normally hear the codename announcement until about the beta release of the previous one.


[03:18] <ahoneybun> hey imnichol
[03:22] <ahoneybun> pleia2, for the 2nd week in a row I forgot to add my name...
[03:23] <ahoneybun> also pleia2 would this work for the next issue https://plus.google.com/events/ca19j00q1ejkjqe7ebehavh0ufg?authkey=CLGB5PObuuXAGA ?
[09:23] <PaulW2U> ahoneybun: I've added you to where I think you should be in the list :)
[14:56] <ablest1980> my ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:56] <ablest1980> oops
[14:56] <ablest1980> wrong room
[15:21] <ahoneybun> thanks PaulW2U
[17:46] <pleia2> yeah, we haven't released yet so you didn't miss your chance yet :)
[17:48] <pleia2> ahoneybun: the g+ page is still just an event+rsvp page, just like the loco.u.c one :) how about writing a blog/G+ post about the event and how fun it is and how people should come?
[17:48]  * pleia2 writing her own momentarily about the California one
[20:53] <pleia2> updating fridge for DMB nominations email
[21:22] <pleia2> slow wiki is slow, I'll release after I come back from lunch
[21:51] <jose> pleia2: lmk if you need a hand
[23:16] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 400 for the week January 12 - 18, 2015 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue400
[23:16]  * pleia2 cheers


[02:08] <Destine> Hi, sorry to disturb.
[02:08] <Destine> I am one of the operators of #ubuntu-cn.
[02:08] <Destine> Recently I have been de-flaged by a member of our ops.
[02:09] <Destine> When I ask somebody to flag me again. He/she comes up and de-flags me.
[02:09] <Destine> Is there anyway that can prevent me from being de-flaged?
[02:09] <Destine> Please do help as he/she is indeed messing up in there.
[06:14] <Mikaela> the only way to prevent removing flags is to remove their +f flag
[06:18] <Destine> Mikaela, but can I remove his flag? Is it wrong to do so?
[06:19] <Mikaela> I don't know if it's right or wrong, but if you have flags to do it and believe that it should be done and the op has broken op rules, that could be done, but ask someone who knows better first
[06:20] <Destine> Mikaela, thank you for the advice. I have written to the irc council and see if they can help me.
[06:20] <Destine> Mikaela, I don't want to be a person like him and de-flag people casually.
[06:22] <Destine> Mikaela, though it is indeed annoying. He has done this to me for like 4-5 times.
[06:25] <Mikaela> I am not aware of any other way to stop that
[07:00] <Destine> Mikaela, thank you. Then I will have to wait for the irc council.


[00:00] <veebers> wallyworld: sweet, looks like I can remove the patch and just use the bootstrapped-ed-ed config for charmstore
[00:01] <vino> wallyworld: stub calls check u have mentioned is done via CheckCall/ChaeckCallNames
[00:58] <kelvin_> hi wallyworld can i get ur 5 minutes on HO?
[00:59] <wallyworld> kelvin_: talking to vino, give m 5
[00:59] <kelvin_> wallyworld, yup, thanks
[01:06] <veebers> wallyworld: I've pushed the test fix up as a non-squashed commit. You're a popular guy today though, I'll ask babbageclunk to take a quick look if he's free https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8896/commits/eff1dc23ed0e400a21afa0d74e3a8c764e34ce39
[01:06] <babbageclunk> veebers: I'm free enough!
[01:06] <veebers> babbageclunk: awesome, cheers!
[01:15] <wallyworld> kelvin_: free now
[01:15] <wallyworld> veebers: yeah, "popular"
[01:15] <kelvin_> wallyworld, c u soon
[01:25] <wallyworld> veebers: that worked out nicely by the looks
[01:26] <wallyworld> was worth the time to avoid another patch of a global var
[01:26] <veebers> wallyworld: aye, wanted a sanity check on it to make sure the creation of that session wasn;t going to introduce some obscure issue
[01:26] <veebers> aye, just fixing another test (might get the same treatment) and should be able to land it
[01:27] <babbageclunk> Sorry, got distracted - it looks nice to me too.
[01:45] <veebers> wallyworld, babbageclunk sweet, I did the same for UpgradeCharmStoreResourceSuite too
[01:45] <wallyworld> great ty
[01:48] <veebers> wallyworld: where are controller config options documented? For now I'll file a bug and assign it to me to follow up (for charmstore url)
[01:48] <wallyworld> there's a page in juju docs somewhere
[01:48] <wallyworld> not sure of exact url off hand
[01:49] <veebers> wallyworld: ack, I;ll file bug and keep track
[01:49] <wallyworld> ty
[03:08] <veebers> wallyworld: if a test does this: s.AddCall("NewCharmAdder", conn, bakeryClient, csURL, channel), can I do a check that "NewCharmAdder" was called, but I only care about one of the args? (i.e. csURL)
[03:09] <wallyworld> i think you can get specific args for a given call from the stub
[03:10] <wallyworld> and then assert on that
[03:12] <veebers> wallyworld: ack, cheers
[03:26] <babbageclunk> wallyworld, thumper: What serialisation format do you think I should use for the FSM commands and snapshots? Might just make it yaml for now, it would be easy to change it (before release, I mean). Or gob would be another option.
[03:29] <wallyworld> i guess yaml is easier to debug? it's not like it will be huge quantities of data
[03:40] <veebers> wallyworld, babbageclunk: Whats the best way to debug this test failure :-( http://ci.jujucharms.com/job/github-check-merge-juju/2171/consoleFull (FAIL: machine_test.go:1021: MachineSuite.TestControllerModelWorkers)
[03:40] <veebers> introduced in a commit that I've since squashed up (yay)
[03:41] <babbageclunk> veebers: havin' a look
[03:41] <veebers> cheers
[03:41] <wallyworld> veebers: loks like a build error
[03:41] <wallyworld> error: 820: package build failed: FAIL	github.com/juju/juju/apiserver/facades/controller/charmrevisionupdater
[03:42] <veebers> wallyworld: I've sorted that issue out. This test fails locally too
[03:42] <wallyworld> do toy have a run without the build error?
[03:43] <veebers> wallyworld: not a complete one no. I can push up my fixes for the build error issue and get one though
[03:43] <babbageclunk> ugh
[03:44] <wallyworld> veebers: that looks like a significant root cause because the test output says waiting for [charm-revision-updater]
[03:44] <wallyworld> and that's the thing that doesn't compile
[03:44] <veebers> wallyworld: ah, interesting. Ok I'll start looking there
[03:45] <wallyworld> also, there's a npe in the firewaller
[03:45] <babbageclunk> and the panic in instancepoller sounds bad
[03:45] <wallyworld> the build error once fixed should address the worker bit of the failure
[03:45] <veebers> babbageclunk, wallyworld ah right, I'm seeing build issues I didn't see earlier. I have something to go on now, thanks!
[03:46] <wallyworld> good luck
[03:47] <babbageclunk> veebers: Oh, but also the "[LOG] 0:18.065 DEBUG juju.worker.dependency "charm-revision-updater" manifold worker stopped: empty charmstore URL not valid" seems like it would be related to what you're doing.
[03:47] <veebers> babbageclunk: indeed! thanks
[04:07]  * vino going for lunch.
[04:07] <veebers> babbageclunk, wallyworld yay in the end an easy fix, had to set CharmStoreURL in the controllerConfigAttrs before the rest of the setup (the conns suite sets a default one which doesn't have that value)
[04:08] <wallyworld> gr8
[04:08] <veebers> micro-gr8s
[04:09] <babbageclunk> nice
[04:42] <kelvin_> wallyworld, r u free to talk about the bugs?
[04:43] <wallyworld> kelvin_: in a call, soon
[04:44] <kelvin_> wallyworld, yup, just ping me when u r ready, thanks.
[05:32] <veebers> wallyworld: ugh, my "microk8s.kubectl -n veebers delete po,svc --all" command has hung there for ages now :-\ seeing some DENIED in dmesg. Will explore after dinner
[05:36] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: finally free. jump in standup HO?
[05:36] <wallyworld> veebers: that happens to me sometimes too
[05:36] <wallyworld> i think i reinstall, not sure now
[05:37] <kelvin_> wallyworld, yup,
[05:38] <veebers> wallyworld: ack, will kill it shortly and try again
[05:56] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: do we have a standard way to represent times and durations in yaml (so they can be roundtripped)?
[05:56] <wallyworld> hmmm. not sure
[05:56] <wallyworld> i know we tend to use fake times for that sort of thing
[05:57] <wallyworld> or we nil out times before asserting
[05:57] <wallyworld> we assrt that time value is not nil then make nil then assert
[06:00] <wallyworld> kelvin_: just a coouple of small comments
[06:05] <babbageclunk> I mean, I can't do that because I need the time values for the leases.
[06:18] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: hmmm, i can't recall where we might do that
[06:19] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: It looks like maybe it just does the right thing actually, just checking.
[06:19] <wallyworld> hope so
[09:15] <stickupkid> manadart: where we at with this, did you manage to test this locally? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8879
[09:38] <manadart> stickupkid: I tested it out with the latest changes. Looks good to land and iterate on.
[09:38] <stickupkid> manadart: wanted to land this one before my others, so that's nice :D
[09:39] <manadart> stickupkid: I think all of yours are approved now.
[09:46] <stickupkid> manadart: perfect, thanks
[10:11] <stickupkid> should we be noting down which tests are flakey?
[10:13] <stickupkid> probably a question for rick_h when he comes online I guess
[12:33] <rick_h_> stickupkid: definitely, please file a bug for those
[12:33] <rick_h_> stickupkid: and see if you can find a tag that works for them
[12:59] <zeestrat> morning rick_h_, who do I poke for support on the new discourse.jujucharms.com? It doesn't seem to want to pull in my gravatar icon. Also are there some guidelines for what will/should be put there? Will existing things from the mailing lists and askubuntu be imported so it's actually consolidated?
[13:00] <rick_h_> zeestrat: otp, sec
[13:28] <rathore_> all: how can i force juju to install lxd 3.0+ on xenial nodes?
[13:34] <rathore_> rick_h_: Can you please help?
[13:34] <rick_h_> rathore_: howdy, otp with the team. sec
[13:34] <rathore_> rick_h_: I am good thanks. Take your time
[14:45] <rick_h_> zeestrat: so, is 3.0 not the default in xenial after upgrade? Maybe it requires the backports PPA I guess.
[14:45] <rick_h_> or sorry, rathore_ that is
[14:46] <rick_h_> zeestrat: yea, not sure why the gravatar doesn't work. Please file a post in the issues section and I'll see if we can get the web folks to investigate.
[14:46] <rick_h_> zeestrat: as for porting stuff over, I'm not sure what we can do with the mailing list.
[14:46] <rick_h_> zeestrat: we are working to port over things like the Juju wiki pages, stuff in the juju/docs directory, etc.
[14:47] <rick_h_> zeestrat: and I don't think we'll pull askubuntu as that format kind of works there with the voting/etc. I'm not sure I'd want to pull all those over.
[14:52] <zeestrat> rick_h_: right, but it is supposed to replace the mailing lists?
[14:52] <rick_h_> zeestrat: yes, it is
[14:52] <rick_h_> zeestrat: not sure if we can put them in archive mode/etc. There's not an import/tooling to pull out the history I know of atm.
[14:53] <rathore_> rick_h_: No still installs 2.xx
[14:55] <zeestrat> rick_h_: Gotha, thanks. I hope there's a way to pull the archives in some sort of way for searchability. Would hate to lose the history and context.
[14:58] <rick_h_> zeestrat: definitely, it'd be nice. There's scripts for importing user accounts from the email lists in mailing lists but not seeing anything for the topics. We'll see if anything comes up.
[15:01] <manadart> jam stickupkid: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8902
[15:20] <zeestrat> rick_h_: Dumb question, is there a issues section/category on discourse that I'm not seeing?
[15:21] <rick_h_> zeestrat: oh hmm, thought there was. /me looks again
[15:21] <rick_h_> zeestrat: must have been cleaned out. I guess just go uncategorized please
[15:26] <zeestrat> rick_h_: Roger.
[15:39] <stickupkid> so it seems like it's the same issue over and over that's failing on for CI, I'm going to spend some time fixing it once I've finished my new PR, as it's currently a hindrance atm
[15:43] <rick_h_> stokachu: k, the action timeout thing?
[15:43] <rick_h_> stickupkid: that is
[15:45] <stickupkid> rick_h_: I believe it's in `juju/cmd/juju/application` - and it's around some mongo issue
[15:46] <stickupkid> rick_h_: the bigger issue is that we're hitting mongo at all, but that's another story... we're correcting as we go :)
[15:47] <rick_h_> stickupkid: always better than we found it and get there eventually :)
[15:47] <stickupkid> rick_h_: bingo!
[20:21] <veebers> Morning all o/
[20:21] <hml> babbageclunk: ping
[20:31] <thumper> rick_h_: morning
[20:31] <rick_h_> thumper: morning
[20:31] <thumper> rick_h_: do you have a few minutes to chat?
[20:31] <rick_h_> I was waiting in the QA call
[20:31] <rick_h_> thumper: if that's not going down I do
[20:31] <thumper> chris declined
[20:31] <rick_h_> ah missed that
[20:31] <rick_h_> k, omw then to 1-1?
[20:31] <thumper> kk
[20:33] <thumper> rick_h_: I'm in the rick hangout because it looks like our 1:1 is missing a hangout/meet
[20:33] <rick_h_> thumper: I added it in, not sure what happend.
[20:33]  * rick_h_ must have not added it recurring last week
[20:33] <thumper> I see it now
[20:33] <thumper> wonder what happened
[20:44] <rick_h_> thumper: sorry, might have to swap the axis there to get it to show up right
[20:44] <rick_h_> brb, getting the boy
[20:44] <thumper> kk
[21:11] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: do we have this? https://twitter.com/esacteksab/status/1016428675930247174
[21:11] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: as you mentioned a more concise changelog summary vs the 40 pages of stuff with the official release?
[21:14] <rick_h_> thumper: you still hacking on the graph?
[21:14] <thumper> no
[21:14] <thumper> I don't understand the underlying data, so hard to construct a query
[21:15] <rick_h_> thumper: ok, just wanted to make sure I wasn't stepping on your graph if I played with it
[21:15] <thumper> you're all good to play
[21:21] <babbageclunk> hml: so, the feature flag worker
[21:22] <babbageclunk> Where does your new worker run?
[21:22] <hml> babbageclunk: in the machine agent
[21:22] <babbageclunk> cool
[21:23] <babbageclunk> That's the easiest option then
[21:23] <babbageclunk> Ok, so you have a feature flag set up to determine whether your worker should run?
[21:23] <hml> babbageclunk: yes
[21:25] <babbageclunk> You can see the version I made for the raft enabled flag - you can just tell it the feature flag and whether it should invert the sense of the flag.
[21:27] <hml> babbageclunk: for a normal FT, I don’t want to invert yes?
[21:27] <hml> or correct
[21:27] <babbageclunk> hml: yeah, that sounds right - the disable-raft one was a bit of a weird case.
[21:28] <hml> babbageclunk: k - then i need the equivalent of ifRaftEnabled?
[21:29] <babbageclunk> hml: yup - that enables you to wrap a given manifold so it only runs when the flag is true.
[21:30] <hml> babbageclunk: diving in… :-)
[21:31] <hml> babbageclunk: thank you!
[21:32] <babbageclunk> hml: no worries - give me a yell if you have any more questions!
[21:32] <hml> babbageclunk: :-)
[21:40] <wallyworld> would love a review in anyone is free https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8905
[21:54] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: I'll take a look after my chat with thumper
[21:55] <wallyworld> you rock
[21:55] <wallyworld> ty
[22:24] <thumper> vino: hey, got a few minutes for a chat?
[22:26] <vino> sure thumper.
[22:26] <thumper> 1:1?
[22:26] <vino> ok.


[09:08] <bthomas> Mo-yawning all
[11:22] <gnuoy> Morning all, I just had to write a fairly sizeable patch for an interface written in the ops framework. The operator framework testing harness is awesome and saved me hours, thank you!
[11:23] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:23] <facubatista> gnuoy, it's glad to hear that you find it useful!
[13:30]  * bthomas -> lunch
[13:45]  * bthomas -> back
[14:18] <justinclark> hello o/
[14:18] <facubatista> hola justinclark
[14:30]  * facubatista -> errands
[15:02]  * facubatista is back
[15:21]  * facubatista -> lunch
[15:56]  * facubatista is back
[16:58] <dstathis> Is it considered good practice to leave breakpoints in production charm code?
[20:35] <facubatista> dstathis, if you use self.frameworks.breakpoint() the code will be interrupted ONLY if you're in a juju debug session
[20:36] <facubatista> dstathis, so it's "safe" (don't know if a good practice, though... note that you can always jump into "pdb mode" inspecting Python code for any event callback, no need to leave explicit breakpoints for that)
[21:34]  * facubatista eods


[00:10] <Espeonxoxo> I have an old sony vio board VGC-rb40
[00:10] <Espeonxoxo> and a usb dic drive
[00:10] <Espeonxoxo> im trying to install xubuntu
[00:10] <Espeonxoxo> but the board is not picking it up
[00:30] <melodie> good night
[00:36] <perola> Hello. I am using xubuntu 13.04 and I have configured power manager correctly for it to so to suspend on lid closure for both AC and battery, however, when I close the lid the laptop does not suspend, why could this be and how could it be fixed?   PLEASE TELL ME HOW! 0_0
[02:59] <holstein> RJ45: i would look and see about adding that same screenshot tool..
[02:59] <RJ45> holstein: come on!, there's gotta be a way using Xubuntu's tool!
[03:00] <RJ45> some kinda running modifier?
[03:00] <RJ45> --something maybe?
[03:00] <holstein> RJ45: im sure there is, and its all open.. wait patiently for a volunteer who might know.. cheers
[03:00] <RJ45> ¬_¬
[03:00] <holstein> all i can suggest is, if you want the funcitonality of a specific tool, just use that tool
[03:06] <RJ45> holstein: I wouldn't even know how to get that to run in background...
[03:07] <holstein> RJ45: what screenshot tool are you using?
[03:07] <RJ45> well the default of-cause, 'xfce3-screenshooter'
[03:08] <RJ45> what I probably wanna use is 'gnome-screenshot'
[03:08] <RJ45> I'm guessing it's all 'bout keybindings?
[03:08] <RJ45> hold on, I'll try something...
[03:23] <RJ45> ugh.. I kinda figured it out, *sigh* close enough :/
[03:23] <RJ45> not happy.
[03:23] <RJ45> but close-enough for me to care :|
[03:31] <RJ45> great, not even the other tool is doing the same thing!
[03:31] <RJ45> x_x
[03:31] <RJ45> I just want my screenshots to automatically be named after the window!
[03:32] <holstein> RJ45: well, you want them to be automatically named differently than they are being named by default
[03:32] <holstein> RJ45: let me look for a config file...
[03:32] <RJ45> but gnome-screenshot is doing the exact same thing xfce4-screenshooter !, the thing I'ng trying to avoid! x_x
[03:32] <RJ45> I can't win :(
[03:33] <holstein> RJ45: win?.. its just a screenshot, friend.. you can always just rename them.. but, let me look..
[03:33] <RJ45> renameing my screenshots, everyth single time I take a screenshot, to names often over 40 characters long!?!, lol, NOPE!!!
[03:34] <RJ45> gotta be automated
[03:34] <holstein> RJ45: you want to name them over 40 charachers?
[03:34] <holstein> characters*
[03:34] <RJ45> and gotta be named after the window being captured
[03:34] <holstein> RJ45: it doesnt "gotta" be.. you prefer it to be.. and, im sure it can
[03:34] <RJ45> I repeat, HAVE-TO be named after the window being captured
[03:35] <RJ45> why are they being named after the date and time in the first place!?!, that's that metadata's for! 0_0
[03:36] <RJ45> so stupid
[03:36] <holstein> RJ45: no need to repeat.. but, its a preference that you have, not a requirement, or "stupid"
[03:36] <RJ45> you gotta admit, it doesn't make a-lot of sense when there's exif for the date and time..
[03:36] <RJ45> not exif, I mean meta*
[03:37] <holstein> RJ45: i prefer it, actually.. the time stamp
[03:37] <RJ45> but it's in the meta data anyways! x_x agh
[03:37] <RJ45> ._.
[03:38] <RJ45> well whatever, I still really want my good ol' screenshots back :/
[03:38] <holstein> RJ45: you mean, the naming scheme..
[03:38] <holstein> RJ45: have you tried other screenshot tools?
[03:38] <holstein> !info scrot
[03:38] <RJ45> ¬_¬
[03:39] <RJ45> holstein: r u for real? x_x
[03:39] <holstein> RJ45: when i search and find folks with that issue, they suggest scrot
[03:39] <RJ45> gnome-screenshot is the one I used-to use!
[03:40] <RJ45> I just want it to work like it did in Ubuntu 10.04
[03:40] <holstein> RJ45: you care to try scrot? while im searching, as a vounteer, for how to rename them in the xfce tool?
[03:40] <RJ45> I installed gnome-screenshot in hopes it'd work as it did in Ubuntu, but it's not.
[03:40] <RJ45> it's doing the exact same thin xfce4-screenshooter is doing :(
[03:40] <RJ45> thing*
[03:41] <holstein> RJ45: scrot is a different one.. would you care to try it? or just wait for another volunteer?
[03:41] <RJ45> holstein: I appreciate your free help, I really do, it's just.. you've said nothing helpfull :/
[03:42] <RJ45> thanks anyway I guess ._.
[03:42] <holstein> RJ45: the old gnome screenshot tool has changed..
[03:43] <RJ45> oh no
[03:43] <holstein> RJ45: ?
[03:43] <RJ45> ohy please no
[03:43] <RJ45> oh the horror
[03:43] <RJ45> what the hell is with the Ubuntu devs these days!?
[03:43] <holstein> RJ45: we now its changed.. im looking for the config on how to change the naming scheme for the current tool you are using..
[03:43] <holstein> !language | RJ45
[03:43] <RJ45> they, like, flipped
[03:44] <holstein> RJ45: this is not the "ubuntu" channel.. the tool would bascially be inherited from upstream xfce
[03:44] <RJ45> holstein: thank you very much kind sir, but seriously, 'cos I said 'hell'!?, are you for real?
[03:45] <RJ45> holstein: anyway, I really do appreciate your help here
[03:45] <RJ45> holstein: seriously, thanks in advanced! :D
[03:45] <holstein> RJ45: this is relevant http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-commits/2009-October/003886.html
[03:46] <RJ45> lol, this is sausage to me x_x
[03:46] <RJ45> please bear in-mind that although I have a working understanding of many things Linux-ey, by IRC standards I am a noob :P
[03:47] <holstein> RJ45: have a look at the /topic and guidelines
[03:47] <RJ45> why?
[03:47] <RJ45> what's up?
[03:47] <RJ45> o.o
[03:48] <holstein> RJ45: enjoy your stay.. please try and keep the channel clear of anything besides support related questions and answers.. good luck!
[03:48] <RJ45> would booting-up Ubuntu 10.04 in Virtualbox, and copying a particular config file over work?, or just screw things up?
[03:49] <RJ45> holstein: I never said anything off-topic! o.O
[03:50] <RJ45> hahah, starting a whole virtual machine just for a config file XD  , but I'm desperate and willing to do so.
[03:50] <RJ45> holstein: so, would it work?
[03:52] <RJ45> hmm, I wonder if installing an older downgrade of gnome-screenshot would work?, it's a stab in the dark for sure...
[03:59] <holstein> RJ45: its not something i would be interested in for that particular functionality.. i would try scrot, which should allow easily selecting a filename when the screenshot is taken
[04:01] <RJ45> holstein: lol, so does xfce4-screenshooter and gnome-screenshot, but what I am really desperate for is for my 'AUTO name after captured window' functionality back :(
[04:01] <holstein> RJ45: i open a terminal, and type "scrot filename.png" and a screenshot named "filename.png" is in my home directory
[04:02] <holstein> RJ45: i dont use xfce4-screenshooter, and when i have, i have always just renamed them, if needed, after taking them. when i search, i see that it seems customizing the filename has been commited upstream. i do not see where to set that functionality
[04:03] <RJ45> holstein: does that automatically name the screenshot after the window that was captured?, what, it doesn't? oh.. ¬_¬
[04:03] <holstein> RJ45: nothing has been removed from xubuntu, however. you are used to the functionality of the gnome tool, which has been changed upstream as well
[04:03] <holstein> RJ45: when you refer to "it" above, are you asking how scrot names the file? it names it as i specify by the command i gave
[04:03] <holstein> RJ45: "scrot windowname.png" for example
[04:03] <RJ45> *sigh*, I'm gonna go ahead and risk seeing if an old deprecated package will do what I want
[04:04] <holstein> RJ45: it will likely be problematic. gnome changed drastically since 10.04
[04:04] <RJ45> yes, but I'm on Xubuntu :D
[04:04] <RJ45> so I'm feeling confident :)
[04:05] <holstein> RJ45: ok... gtk has changed drastically since ubuntu or xubuntu 10.04
[04:05] <RJ45> hmm, welp, wish me luck :/
[04:05] <holstein> RJ45: i actually suggest you dont try it.. but enjoy!
[04:06] <RJ45> what's the worst that could happen?
[04:06] <RJ45> dodgy screenshots?
[04:07] <RJ45> "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: gnome-utils-common (>= 2.30)"  oh boy, well, that sucks :(
[04:07] <RJ45> guess I'm stuck then ._.
[04:08] <RJ45> I don't know much, but I've been using Ubuntu and Xubuntu long enough to know that if I install that, I am gonna have BIG problems :/
[04:11] <RJ45> holstein: wait wait wait, what if, I were to open the deprecated deb in archive manager, extract just the config file, and use that with the newer package?
[04:11] <RJ45> could it work?
[04:11] <RJ45> :o
[04:11] <holstein> RJ45: you are asking for a config for a piece of software the is not made anymore, basically
[04:11] <holstein> that is not made*
[04:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> What is RJ45 trying to do, again?
[04:11] <RJ45> hmm
[04:11] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: oh boy...
[04:12] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: wants custom filenames (automatically) from the screenshot tool..
[04:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> define custom
[04:12] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: window name?
[04:12] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: do you remember how in the days of Ubuntu 10.04, screenshots of windows were automatically named after the window being captured?
[04:13] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: well, I DESPERATELY want that back :/
[04:13] <holstein> RJ45: assume no one remembers, or used gnome at all
[04:13] <RJ45> holstein: aw man :'(
[04:13] <holstein> RJ45: say what you want.. what is the filename *exactly* that you want?
[04:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> Actually, I wasn't heavy into ubuntu at 10.04
[04:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> I came in around 11.10
[04:13]  * RJ45 silently weeps
[04:14] <holstein> RJ45: only questions or answers please.. thanks
[04:14] <holstein> RJ45: state an *exact* sample filename
[04:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> using xubuntu, RJ45?
[04:14] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: yes
[04:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, you want to know if xfce4-screenshooter can do this?
[04:16] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: from http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-commits/2009-October/003886.html , i read that it can, or could
[04:16] <RJ45> say I wanna screenshot a web-page, I'm on some weird website, instead of the screenshot being named the date and time, I want it to be automatically named after the window, in this case let's say 'Cute Guys With Blue Eyes - Firefox.png'.
[04:17] <holstein> RJ45: i can use scrot and type "scrot CuteGuysWithBlueEyesFirefox.png" and get that.. is that not acceptable for you?
[04:18] <RJ45> holstein: I REALLY can't be typing the name every screenshot, for me at-least, it really MUST be AUTOmatically named after the window 0_0
[04:19] <RJ45> holstein: also, as I've said 3 times now, what you say 'scrot' can do, both tools I've tried already do.
[04:20] <RJ45> holstein: if I could settle for that, I wouldn't even be here, you have no idea just how important it is to me, for every screenshot to be automatically named according to the window being captured (just like in Ubuntu 10.04)
[04:21] <RJ45> this is, sooo important to me, I really can't stress enough how much I need this.
[04:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> I see what he wants.
[04:21] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: :D
[04:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, there doesn't seem to be a -option to create that effect.
[04:22] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: I know, I checked :(
[04:22] <RJ45> in Ubuntu 10.04, it just, worked :/
[04:23] <RJ45> I have Ubuntu 10.04 live .iso open in a VM right now, I can get anything from there that could help in this situation, any requests?
[04:24] <RJ45> well, the man pages are exactly the same :|
[04:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, ubuntu 10.04 used a different DE
[04:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, wasn't that a different capture tool?
[04:26] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: different to Xubuntu?, well yes, 'gnome-screenshot', I tried installing it on Xubuntu though, and it named the files exactly the same as the one that came with it did x_x  (xfce4-screenshooter)
[04:26] <RJ45> you see, this is where it gets quite problematic, isn't it?
[04:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> hmm... that depends.
[04:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> lemme google-fu some more.
[04:29] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: I can't try installing an old deprecated version of it, as of-course, that package depends on gnome-2 stuff, and gnome-2 stuff on a 12.04 system...
[04:29] <RJ45> you get the picture.
[04:31] <RJ45> BTW guys, I really, do appreciate all of your effort, despite not being able to get very far, I'm humbled by your willingness to try :)
[04:39] <akis> hi. today the system asked for 2 updates (i dont remember what about) and after these updates lightning 2.6.1 (as add on of thunderbird)  doesn't work and the tab looks gray without any editing possibility. any idea of what happened?
[04:41] <holstein> akis: could be a user config issue.. i would try (if you are not comfortable juggling config files) testing as a different user. other than that, you can try stepping back the version of thunderbird and testing
[04:42] <RJ45> akis: it's soo many problems like this resulting from updates which is why I always disable updates and all my Linux installs, they're supposed to be important for security, and even 'fix things', but all I've ever heard (and experienced) is problems.
[04:42] <akis> thunderbird works fine. just lightning is "grey". Yesterday evening everything worked perfect and i updated my data normally
[04:43] <RJ45> simply install Linux OS of your choice, disable updates, and fine-tune everything from there, that's all I'm saying.
[04:43] <RJ45> holstein: sorry for slightly straying from 'topic' just expressing a small point., sorry.
[04:44] <akis> i am pretty sure that today's 2 updates are responsible for this issue because the same issue appears to my 2nd machine after update was allowed. any idea how can i see those 2 today's updates justo to realize how they affected the syste?
[04:45] <well_laid_lawn> it will depend on what was updated
[04:45] <well_laid_lawn> a new thunderbird means it's probably the addon that isn't compatible anymore
[04:46] <akis> i didnt notice. no thunderbird update.
[04:47] <well_laid_lawn> try starting thunderbird from a terminal to catch any error messages
[04:48] <akis> it starts normally. it gave the following message: [calBackendLoader] Using libical backend at /home/user/.thunderbird/ngwzktg8.default/extensions/{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}/components/libical.manifest
[04:49] <akis> paste
[04:51] <akis> when i tried to open lightning tab i got the following message in the consol http://paste.ubuntu.com/6304435/
[04:53] <akis> well_laid_lawn: any idea about these messages?
[04:54] <well_laid_lawn> looks like the addon isn't working right
[04:54] <well_laid_lawn> a java or xulrunner update might have done it
[04:55] <akis> that's right. but it worked perfect some hours ago. the problem appeared toady morning after those 2 damn last updates
[04:55] <holstein> RJ45: you switched versions, and prefer functionality that is in an older version.. this is not an upgrade breakage issue
[04:56] <akis> is there any way to trace those 2 last updates?
[04:56] <well_laid_lawn> apt should have a log
[04:56] <holstein> akis: how is it as a defferent user? to remove your user configuration from the equation
[04:57] <akis> i have not a different user profile.
[04:58] <holstein> akis: you might want to consider either checking as a different user, or by temporarily moving the user config and testing
[04:58] <RJ45> holstein: I never said.. err, what?
[04:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> RJ45, it looks like I'm striking out.
[04:59] <RJ45> holstein: I just want it to work the way I want it to work!, isn't that what Linux is all about?, having it *your way*?
[04:59] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: :/
[04:59] <holstein> RJ45: disabling updates would have no effect on you likeing something from 10.04 and running a newer version now
[04:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> It might have been a feature that was removed.
[04:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> Strangely, I can't seem to find evidence that it existed
[04:59] <RJ45> holstein: I never said anything like that!
[04:59] <holstein> RJ45: the code is all open, so you *can* have it the way you want. it just might not be "easy".. i would refer to upstream xfce
[04:59] <RJ45> holstein: what are you even talking about!?!
[05:00] <kingbeowolf> how can i make it so the username that appears in the top right corner looks more like the gear symbol in unity?
[05:00] <holstein> kingbeowolf: do you have a screenshot of what you are looking for?
[05:00] <RJ45> kingbeowolf: hahah, dream on
[05:00] <RJ45> ¬_¬
[05:00] <kingbeowolf> :D
[05:01] <holstein> RJ45: use the OT channel for that, please
[05:01] <kingbeowolf> I'd just like to replace my username with an icon
[05:01] <RJ45> kingbeowolf: I'd like peanut butter on my chocolate :P
[05:02] <well_laid_lawn> that's not very constructive ...
[05:03] <kingbeowolf> i don't know how customizable xfce is
[05:03] <kingbeowolf> was just curious if it was something some one already did
[05:03] <kingbeowolf> Are panels some kind of script file?
[05:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> I have mine very tricked out
[05:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> I even use Plank
[05:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> Wanna see a screenshot?
[05:06] <kingbeowolf> i use docky how is plank different?
[05:06] <kingbeowolf> sure
[05:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> Plank is a simpler version of Docky. No widgets and suck. But, Plank will be the basis for Docky3, which will have the fancy stuff.
[05:08] <kingbeowolf> I noticed docky crashes when using ubuntu software center does plank?
[05:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> nope
[05:09] <kingbeowolf> well thats good
[05:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> http://www.picpaste.com/kCLwBvWv.png
[05:09] <kingbeowolf> so far that is the only thing that crashes on xubuntu
[05:11] <akis> other users faced the same issue  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=925823
[05:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> did you see, kingbeowolf?
[05:13] <kingbeowolf> the bug report?
[05:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> no, the screen cap
[05:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[05:13] <kingbeowolf> oh ya one sec
[05:15] <kingbeowolf> thats pretty good
[05:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> :)
[05:15] <kingbeowolf> plank seems alot different
[05:15] <kingbeowolf> what are those black sqaures with icons in it?
[05:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh... you can load folders in plank with shortcuts.
[05:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, I made folders to group certain apps together.
[05:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> The folders have symbolic links to the .desktop files.
[05:17] <kingbeowolf> i see thats cool
[05:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> gives it that app drawer look
[05:18] <kingbeowolf> my desktop looks similar
[05:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> lemme see
[05:26] <kingbeowolf> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10252013-102539pm.php
[05:27] <kingbeowolf> Poisoned_Dragon: ^
[05:27] <kingbeowolf> sorry it took a second usually i use screen cloud
[05:27] <akis> how can i update my thunderbird version from 24.0 to 24.0.1 so i fix the issue between thunderbird and lightning as i read already. 24.0.1 is not in synaptic. i downloaded from mozilla site but what do i have to do to install it?
[05:27] <kingbeowolf> it doesn't work in 13.10 for some reason
[05:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> That's cool. But, with Plank installed, I took out my window buttons plugin
[05:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> Made room for other things in my primary panel
[05:28] <kingbeowolf> yeah totally
[05:28] <kingbeowolf> i just installed xubuntu today :D
[05:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> :)
[05:29] <kingbeowolf> i was using Unity but got tired of programs crashing
[05:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, Docky seems cool with the widgets. You used that to your advantage by removing the clock from the panel.
[05:30] <kingbeowolf> it has a few more widgets that are ok
[05:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> Part of me wanted to use Docky but, I didn't need it to be too fancy.
[05:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> I wanted to keep it light
[05:30] <kingbeowolf> you cant really get rid of the xfce panel because you still need the notification area
[05:30] <kingbeowolf> i think docky needs a widget for that or what ever plank calls it
[05:31] <kingbeowolf> then with synapse you wouldn't even need the xfce menu either
[05:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well.... You could make the panel smaller. Ofset the notification and indicator plugins to the end.
[05:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> Even make it so that the panel doesn't even span the whole edge of the screen.
[05:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> Aww, crud. Now you got me thinking about my layout again.
[05:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just got done perfecting it 2 days ago.
[05:34] <kingbeowolf> hahah
[05:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> You know what, I might make my top panel into two.
[05:34] <kingbeowolf> its like a strange obsession
[05:35] <Poisoned_Dragon> Seperating my indicators and things from the app menu end.
[05:35] <Poisoned_Dragon> It is!
[05:35] <Poisoned_Dragon> Way more exciting than windows. :)
[05:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> I've never felt so good about a DE until xfce. Then Plank sealed the deal.
[05:36] <kingbeowolf> yeah i tried finding AWN but it hasn't been updated
[05:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> AWN?
[05:37] <kingbeowolf> a lot of good apps aren't being updated any more
[05:37] <kingbeowolf> avant window manager
[05:37] <kingbeowolf> another dock
[05:37] <kingbeowolf> it was what i used in the past
[05:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, I've heard of that, in passing
[05:38] <kingbeowolf> it has a lot of cool features
[05:38] <kingbeowolf> i tried to compile it but it wouldn't build
[05:38] <kingbeowolf> keep getting dependency errors
[05:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> awww :(
[05:39] <kingbeowolf> yeah i also tried to compile the newest version or miro and it would't compile either
[05:40] <kingbeowolf> the version or miro bundled in 13.10 is so bad i am surprised they bundled it.
[05:41] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm not a big fan of miro
[05:41] <kingbeowolf> i also used screencloud a nice screenshot program but it isn't compatible with 13.10
[05:41] <kingbeowolf> i have a few podcasts i listen to and it seemed to manage that stuff really well and predictably
[05:41] <kingbeowolf> banshee is ok but doesn't look as pretty
[05:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> heh
[05:42] <kingbeowolf> Poisoned_Dragon: check this out http://forum.pinguyos.com/Thread-How-to-customize-Xfce-4-10
[05:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> kingbeowolf, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-install-avant-window-navigator.html
[05:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> If you're feeling daring
[05:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> Ever looked into DockBarX?
[05:44] <kingbeowolf> nope
[05:44] <kingbeowolf> that ppa includes ALOT of programs
[05:44] <kingbeowolf> looks like it might work though
[05:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> kingbeowolf, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/dockbarx-sees-new-release-now-available.html
[05:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> There's the article on dockbarx
[05:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> pick your poison
[05:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> Docky is cool but, you might be longing for the avant days, or looking for something nicer.
[05:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm waiting for Plank to hit 1.0 so that they start pushing out Docky3.
[05:48] <kingbeowolf> for sure
[05:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> I managed to contribute 2 bug reports.
[05:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> They led to fixes. :)
[05:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm so proud of me.
[05:49] <kingbeowolf> nice haha
[05:49] <kingbeowolf> it is always cool when something gets accepted by the community
[05:51] <kingbeowolf> i worked on packaging documentation for Ubuntu and that got accepted.
[05:51] <kingbeowolf> thats about all i have done
[05:51] <kingbeowolf> i work to much to be of any more help
[05:52] <kingbeowolf> i would definately maintain the projects i mentioned if i had the time, or got paid to do it.
[05:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> heh
[05:52] <kingbeowolf> right now i program on other peoples projects
[05:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> I wish I had the mindset for programming. It just doesn't seem to be my cup of tea.
[05:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> I seem to be a better tester, than a programmer.
[05:54] <kingbeowolf> programming for me started when i was playing games
[05:54] <kingbeowolf> Baldur's Gate have you heard of it?
[05:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> Sounds familiar.
[05:55] <kingbeowolf> yeah it was a D&D game i got into when I was a kid.
[05:55] <kingbeowolf> you could control the characters and other characters in the game with a form of scripting
[05:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh wow
[05:56] <kingbeowolf> it was pretty neat when i was like 13-15 or what ever
[05:58] <user> how can i manually install to TB 24.0.1 over 24.0?  Ubuntu Center is still shipping Thunderbird 24.0.0 but i need to be updated.
[05:59] <Noskcaj> user, You can get a .deb from somewhere, add a PPA, or install it from source
[05:59] <kingbeowolf> ive never installed thunberbird any where other then from the repository
[05:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> What is so important that you really need that .0.1?
[06:00] <kingbeowolf> usually stuff gets updated between versions....that didn't really happen in 13.10
[06:00] <kingbeowolf> Poisoned_Dragon: i think he said the calender plugin had some issue
[06:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> oh
[06:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't use it. So....
[06:00] <kingbeowolf> yeah me either
[06:00] <Noskcaj> kingbeowolf, It depends on who's available and if it's out in time
[06:01] <kingbeowolf> Noskcaj: ya but netbeans, eclipse, banshee, etc... seem like popular applications that would be important thats what i wish i had more time so i could make sure this stuff stays up to date and tested
[06:02] <Noskcaj> kingbeowolf, You could help us with packaging them ;)
[06:03] <kingbeowolf> Noskcaj: some day i will i am sure of that gotta work like a dog to pay the bills right now though
[06:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> user, if you're feeling daring, download the tarball from mozilla.
[06:04] <user> Noskcaj:Poisoned_Dragon:  i found it here http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/ and i downloaded already, but what next? i unzipped to my temporary directory.
[06:05] <Noskcaj> !source
[06:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> ugh, I just deleted it too....
[06:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> one sec
[06:05] <Noskcaj> nope, wrong thing
[06:05] <Noskcaj> "./configure && make && sudo make install" normally works
[06:06] <Noskcaj> open a terminal from the folder
[06:06] <Noskcaj> and run that
[06:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> Noskcaj, there is no compiling necessary.
[06:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's self contained.
[06:06] <Noskcaj> oh
[06:06] <Noskcaj> good
[06:07] <user> will this manually installation affect my /home/.thunderbird configuration?
[06:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> user, you can literally run the thunderbird executable from within that folder.
[06:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> I believe there are install instruction in the thunderbird folder.
[06:08] <Noskcaj> user, no, it won't
[06:09] <user> ok. thanks. i found also a deb file named: thunderbird-mozilla-build_24.0.1-0ubuntu1_i386. can i proceed with this one?
[06:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> where did you find that?
[06:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> in debian?
[06:10] <akis63> Poisoned_Dragon: here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/?source=dlp
[06:10] <akis63> Poisoned_Dragon: from here: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/ubuntuzilla/all/main/base/thunderbird-mozilla-build
[06:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> are the build versions bleeding edge, or stable?
[06:14] <akis63> looks like the stable one which was actually released on 13/10/13 as i read
[06:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> hmmm
[06:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, off to bed. G'night guys.
[06:55] <keith_> anyone know why I might be losing the background image on the desktop between boots?
[07:09] <well_laid_lawn> how's the hard disk doing ?
[09:58] <Arpad2> when trying to upgrade to 13.10 I'm getting this error message http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305322/
[10:00] <ObrienDave> try turning off all of your third party PPAs
[10:05] <Arpad2> it doesn't make any difference
[10:08] <ObrienDave> and how are you trying to upgrade? terminal?
[10:09] <Arpad2> no
[10:10] <ObrienDave> ok, try this please.....
[10:10] <Arpad2> from Settings Manager
[10:10] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:10] <ObrienDave> in a terminal
[10:10] <Arpad2> ok
[10:11] <ObrienDave> i'll be here for a while ;)
[10:12] <Arpad2> this was tha last line:  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:15] <ObrienDave> hmmmmm
[10:19] <Araneidae> Hi.  After upgrading to 13.10 my (desktop) computer now shuts down when resuming from suspend.  It seems to suspend ok, but when I poke it to wake up it shuts down.
[10:19] <Araneidae> Couldn't see anything sensible in the logs
[10:57] <Arpad2> ObrienDave: also there are some broken packeges http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305440/
[10:59] <ObrienDave> ok, that's the problem. need to fix broken packages first
[11:00] <ObrienDave> go through synaptic. there is a "fix broken packages" command there
[11:01] <Arpad2> ok
[11:03] <Arpad2> under Edit I have found that
[11:03] <ObrienDave> yup. run it
[11:04] <ObrienDave> does "apply" go green?
[11:04] <Arpad2> Idoes not
[11:05] <ObrienDave> hmmm, ok, dang. try.......
[11:05] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:06] <ObrienDave> exit synaptic first
[11:07] <Arpad2> done
[11:07] <Arpad2> but still 0 upgraded
[11:08] <ObrienDave> hmmm, quickly running out of ideas here
[11:15] <ObrienDave> any of the Xubuntu guru's willing to help Arpad2 here? thanks
[12:10] <DeepBlue> i wanna stop orca
[12:12] <rampageRipper> how 2 stop orca?
[12:29] <DeepBlue> rampageRipper: hi
[14:12] <majkl> hi guys, I have Xubuntu 12.04 and I would like to upgrade xfce to 4.11 whether some of you have some issues with new xfce
[14:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, I'm still using 4.10 on Ubuntu Studio 13.10
[14:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> I didn't know there was a 4.11. I know 4.12 is on the horizon
[14:32] <majkl> Poisoned_Dragon: i will go for 4.10 though... thanks
[14:49] <vespakoen> Hey guys! I am trying to make a  xubuntu vagrant box via veewee (basically a VM, built with a script), veewee provides an example preseed for Ubuntu, and uses the following command after booting the installer and hitting escape a couple of times "/install/vmlinuz noapic preseed/url=http://%IP%:%PORT%/preseed.cfg", hoever, after that ran, it tells me "Could not find kernel image: /install/vmlinuz", so I am guessing it is located so
[14:49] <vespakoen> mewhere else for xubuntu, does anyone know more about this?
[14:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> where does the preseed.cfg file point to as the location of the kernel image?
[14:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> That would be my first place to look.
[14:51] <vespakoen> this is my preseed: http://paste.laravel.com/11Zm/raw
[14:51] <vespakoen> this is my veewee defenition http://paste.laravel.com/11Zn the interesting part is within "boot_cmd_sequence"
[14:52] <vespakoen> ahaa, so this is probably incorrect: d-i base-installer/kernel/override-image string linux-server  ?
[14:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> is /install/vmlinuz the correct location?
[14:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> are you suppose to put your own ip and port in http://%IP%:%PORT% or is tht filled in for you?
[14:55] <vespakoen> that is filled in for me
[14:56] <vespakoen> I guess the location is incorrect, but don't know how to figure out the correct one
[14:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't have much experience in this, but the logical conclusion is figuring out what points where.
[14:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> I gave that override-image line a funny look too
[14:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> It was the first thing to stand out
[14:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> You might have to do some more reading before you proceed.
[14:57] <vespakoen> going to try without it
[17:13] <TG_> hi guys, I have an issue with an HP Pavillion dm4. right click and left click works only when I soft pad it. it does not work when I fully press left click or right click. I would like to have it working when fully pressing instead of trying 10 times to get the right amount of pressure to produce a right click.
[17:13] <TG_> can anyone point me in the right direction please.
[17:17] <holstein> !touchpad
[17:18] <holstein> assuming its a synaptics touchpad.. i have a few that i just dont use anymore, or i have worked out workarounds
[17:26] <XLV> does the installer allows for raid1 setup directly from within the isntaller? i dont see any related option
[17:27] <GridCube> XLV, nope
[17:27] <GridCube> !raid
[18:14] <XLV> GridCube so i have to use ubuntu server install iso?
[18:15] <GridCube> XLV, or the mini
[18:15] <XLV> you mean the network install?
[18:15] <GridCube> and while using the mini choose the xubuntu desktop instead of the whole mainbuntu desktop, or simply install xubuntua dn install RAID afterward
[18:15] <GridCube> XLV, yes
[18:15] <XLV> ok, thanks
[18:16] <GridCube> sadly RAID support during install got lost a few releases ago
[18:16] <XLV> i'll instal the server thn add xubuntu meta pacakges
[18:17] <GridCube> XLV, probably this will help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2143179
[18:17] <bekks> using the mini iso, it is still there.
[18:17] <well_laid_lawn> !mini
[18:18] <GridCube> but as XLV said, the mini is a netinstall, the server is not so its faster
[18:18] <GridCube> not everyone has 100mb of interwebs
[19:40] <skywalkerjunior> hi all
[22:12] <UkeofJersey> Greets!  I've got what I hope is a quick question:  I'm in 13.10 and when I try to create new app launchers in the app menu, it doesn't matter which folder I'm in, it always makes my new launcher in "Other".  How can I remedy this?
[22:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> You can't
[22:17] <UkeofJersey> I'm trying to make a Launcher for Chromium Incognito and at first I was tearing my hair out because it didn't look like xubuntu was doing anything at all!  I don't like to be ignored by this machine that is supposed to be working for me.  It was purely accidental that I found about 5 copies of my launcher but in the "Other" folder instead of "Internet" where any normal human being would want it.  Anyone have any ideas as to wh
[22:17] <UkeofJersey> y the launcher isn't created in my current folder?
[22:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> Where are you making the launchers?
[22:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> Or trying to make the launchers.
[22:18] <UkeofJersey> clicking Edit Menu in the Applications Menu
[22:20] <UkeofJersey> it brings me to the screen with a bunch of checkboxes along all the different launchers.  I was assuming that by clicking "new item" whilst in "Internet", the new item would be created there and not some other, seemingly arbitrary folder
[22:21] <bobslee> hi. upgraded raring to sauce.. now my macbook synaptics/touchpad doesn't work.. any clues?
[22:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> It doesn't seem to work that way, UkeofJersey. User made menu items might not be given a specific categorization. So, they always show up in other.
[22:24] <UkeofJersey> that is surprising to say the least...  It doesn't seem like it's terribly much to ask, does it?
[22:27] <bobslee> anybody?
[22:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> UkeofJersey, be thankful you can add menu items at all. Xfce out of the box, on debian, doesn't have a gui for it. Gotta do it by hand.
[23:51] <XLV> GridCube you were right.. grub install on raid1 was borked
[23:52] <XLV> complaint about something about embedding not active then about embedding needed for lvm/raid1
[23:53] <XLV> solvable easily, from a quick search, but i prefered to use a usb stick as /boot


[10:46] <CIA-44> grub-installer: cjwatson * r742 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.32ubuntu3
[10:49] <CIA-44> apt-setup: cjwatson * r143 apt-setup/debian/changelog: releasing version 1:0.37ubuntu4
[10:50] <CIA-44> pkgsel: cjwatson * r119 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.20ubuntu7
[19:35] <CIA-44> ubiquity: superm1 * r2795 ubiquity/debian/changelog: add bug number to changelog for already fixed indentation error to make sure it's closed on launchpad


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[12:15] <cbx33> heh back
[01:10] <Burgundavia> ogra: http://openuserful.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Patches
[01:11] <Burgundavia> ogra: you might want to dig into those
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just read LTSP 4.2 allows use of local devices - what version does dapper ship with? i kinda need that functionality :S
[04:10] <Burgundavia> Kamping_Kaiser: no, because Ubuntu is the new version of LTSP
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> er...?
[04:13] <LaserJock> Edgy has it I believe Kamping_Kaiser
[04:13] <Burgundavia> yes, it does
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, mm ok. problem is i deplyed dapper for lts reasons ;)
[04:13] <Burgundavia> ubuntu ltsp is a ground up rewrite of ltsp
[04:14] <LaserJock> Kamping_Kaiser: you should talk to ogra and #ltsp
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, thanks.
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> eek. time. bbl!
[05:46] <sbalneav> Kamping_Kaiser: It's unlikely that there'll be a backport of LTSP, as it also required some changes to the way gnome-vfs operated.
[05:52] <Burgundavia> sbalneav: the summit sounded like it went well
[05:53] <sbalneav> Went very well.  Lots accomplished.
[05:53] <Burgundavia> too bad a few distros missed it...
[05:53] <sbalneav> Well, the *IMPORTANT* ones were there :)
[05:53] <Burgundavia> heh
[05:54] <sbalneav> What will be interesting will be, come next spring, when LTSP's included in F, D, and U (FUD?) how much of a panic the other distros will be in to get it included in theirs.
[05:56] <sbalneav> If you were shelling out $$$ for Novell/SuSE, and found out your distro didn't bother to come to a meeing when invited, don't you think you'd be a little angry?
[05:56] <sbalneav> i.e. "Those guys got toys to play with NOW, I have to WAIT for another 6 months."
[05:57] <sbalneav> Some of them will bail.  We get a lot of people in #ltsp running Novell.
[06:00] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:00] <Burgundavia> Novell is very odd sometimes
[06:01] <LaserJock> yeah, SuSE was what I was running mainly before Ubuntu
[06:01] <crimsun> there are quite a few people in my lug who are quite excited about the newer ltsp (and what will ship in edubuntu)
[06:01] <LaserJock> yeah, I need to go to my lug
[06:01] <LaserJock> the first time I went they seemed pretty excited about LTSP and Edubuntu
[06:02] <LaserJock> I'd love to do a demo
[06:02] <LaserJock> If I had a cool thin client I could do it like ogra and highvoltage did at Paris
[06:03] <Burgundavia> you can use anything
[06:03] <LaserJock> I know, but the thin clients look cool
[06:04] <LaserJock> 2 laptops would probably be the easiest though
[01:48] <EmxBA> hello
[01:49] <pygi> hello EmxBA
[01:49] <EmxBA> hi pygi! what's up in CRO?
[01:50] <pygi> nothing much:)
[01:54] <pygi> wb Laser_away
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> aw :( </3 -> <sbalneav> Kamping_Kaiser: It's unlikely that there'll be a backport of LTSP, as it also required some changes to the way gnome-vfs operated.
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> drat it. i was banking on local usb
[02:08] <pygi> ^_^
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi pygi
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[02:08] <pygi> hi Kamping_Kaiser, don't be sad :)
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> pygi, i'll try :|
[02:09] <pygi> Kamping_Kaiser: will be better ;)
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> not if it isnt in dapper ;)
[02:09] <pygi> oh, I just got added to the planet :)
[02:10] <pygi> hm...
[02:11] <pygi> Kamping_Kaiser: :P
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[02:12] <pygi> t?kahr :)
[02:13] <pygi> Kamping_Kaiser: translation & language guess? :)
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_)
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> * o_0
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hungarian i asume from your hostmask
[02:13] <pygi> I'm from Croatia, not Hungary!!!
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[02:13] <pygi> .hr is Croatia, .hu is Hungary :)
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> not far off
[02:13] <pygi> and it's not Croatian :)
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> aw :(
[02:14] <pygi> Kamping_Kaiser: Hrvatska
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> whao. cool
[02:15] <pygi> Kamping_Kaiser: Vulcan :)
[02:20] <pygi> jsgotangco: !!! :)
[02:20] <jsgotangco> hi!
[02:21] <pygi> hey, how are you?
[02:21] <jsgotangco> im good i had a long day though, and my skin is burned i think
[02:22] <pygi> ah ;P
[03:08] <pygi> hey Yagisan
[03:08] <juliux> hi Yagisan
[03:18] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:19] <pygi> bddebian: hi ho
[03:19] <bddebian> Hello again :-)
[03:19] <pygi> now, lemme switch to u-d :P
[06:38] <juliux> hi Yagisan
[06:38] <pygi> hey Yagisan
[06:38] <Yagisan> having a crap day today :(
[06:38] <pygi> eh :(
[06:39] <Yagisan> my www server / apt cacher box has died. It's either the net card or the m/b
[06:39] <Yagisan> and none of my edgy ltsp clients have a working mouse on boot
[06:43] <pygi> :-/
[08:28] <cbx33> evenin all


[19:49] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I can't take any more days off for awhile...
[19:49] <ahoneybun> I was trying to see if I could leave friday and come back on sunday
[19:49] <mhall119> ahoneybun: are you still able to attend FOSSETCON?
[19:49] <ahoneybun> yea yea
[19:50] <ahoneybun> that's all good
[19:50] <mhall119> awesome, we would miss you if you weren't there
[19:50] <ahoneybun> thanks lol
[19:51] <ahoneybun> I really would like to A. go to LA B, meet Bryan Lunduke
[19:51] <ahoneybun> and everyone else too of course lol
[19:51] <mhall119> you know, he used to come to Orlando once a year when they had OpenSuseCon there, sadly that's stopped
[19:54] <ahoneybun> oh I think there was one last year right.?
[19:54] <ahoneybun> something SUSE was going on
[19:55] <mhall119> there was a SuseCon, not an OpenSuseCOn
[19:55] <ahoneybun> so I could leave friday at 6:30 pm or so and get there at 9pm or so, then leave on sunday at 2:30pm or so
[19:56] <mhall119> aw, you're going to miss UbuCon then
[19:56] <ahoneybun> XD if the days made any sense to the board lol
[19:57] <ahoneybun> your thinking they will say yes to that anyway
[19:57] <ahoneybun> what day is it? thur?
[19:57] <mhall119> say yes to what?
[19:57] <mhall119> yeah, thursday the 19th
[19:57] <ahoneybun> yes to funding
[19:58] <ahoneybun> wait
[19:58] <ahoneybun> 19th?
[19:58] <ahoneybun> the thing starts on the 21
[19:58] <mhall119> yes
[19:59] <ahoneybun> I'm talking about SCALE
[19:59] <ahoneybun> I'll be at fossetcon all the time
[19:59] <mhall119> oh, SCaLE, ok, I was all confused
[19:59] <ahoneybun> yep lol
[20:00] <ahoneybun> I'm kinda your headling act for UbuCon lol
[20:00] <ahoneybun> mhall119:
[22:02] <ahoneybun> I'm kinda your headling act for UbuCon mhall119 lol
[22:10] <mhall119> ahoneybun: you're headlining for me?
[22:10] <mhall119> I thought you were doing a short presentation
[22:16] <ahoneybun> your trying to get 50mins or something?
[22:18] <ahoneybun> right mhall119?
[22:59] <mhall119> ahoneybun: if you can
[23:00] <mhall119> i have the morning hours booked already
[23:01] <mhall119> I was thinking of doing the afternoon as an unconference with a more flexible schedule, that way you don't have to be 50 minutes
[23:03] <ahoneybun> ncei
[23:03] <ahoneybun> *nice