[21:40] <yowshi> Positronic: gentoo is already in ubunut's menu.lst
[21:40]  * Kamus_H_Zwisch está away: Ausente por agora.
[21:40] <Kuwanger> bradly: I guess tcsh has different evaulation rules.  You could try 'awk '\''{print $2}'\'
[21:41] <indian_munnda> can anyone refer me any compiler for compiling the prolog programming?
[21:42] <noodlesgc> indian_munnda gplc
[21:42] <marx2k> indian_munnda : http://www.swi-prolog.org/
[21:42] <phenom> Type "about kitchensink" in firefox without quotes.
[21:42] <phenom> :) Not real, yet cool/
[21:42] <Sifuchin> channel
[21:42] <Sifuchin> chnnells
[21:42] <Sifuchin> channels
[21:43] <Sifuchin> hello?
[21:43] <chri1> anyone know where I can find people eho know about the Evolution email client?
[21:43] <indian_munnda> noodlesgc: couldn't find package gplc
[21:43] <EvilAIM> DEBATE TIME!
[21:43] <yowshi> title=genkernel-x86_64-2.6.24-gentoo-r3
[21:43] <yowshi> root (hd3,0)  <--- if my boot directory for gentoo is sdc1 and root "/" is sdc2 what should this entry be?
[21:44] <graft> debate time?
[21:44] <marx2k> EvilAIM : ?
[21:44] <EvilAIM> Back in the day, I loved acer laptops... but now I'm lookin' for a new one, and acer seems to be a lower end model, what is the new best laptop maker next to mac?
[21:44] <NickBurnsSNL> hehe .... 'nother good one
[21:44] <noodlesgc> indian_munnda open a terminal and type prolog
[21:44] <Stroganoff> EvilAIM: lenovo
[21:44] <marx2k> Lenovo, Fujitsu
[21:44] <graft> EvilAIM: get a thinkpad in terms of linux support
[21:44] <tpw_rules> !offtopic > tpw_rules
[21:44] <Positronic> EvilAIM: "Best" is hard to quantify.  Each laptop is different
[21:44] <crackerjackz> yowshi try #gentoo
[21:44] <d3vaguru> wassup anyone willing to help around here?
[21:44] <EvilAIM> ...
[21:44] <cretep> I have never had a bad experience with a Thinkpad. Was IBM, now Lenovo.
[21:44] <crackerjackz> they have helped me out alot with my gentoo
[21:44] <mdsmedia> EvilAIM, I'm happy w/ my 3yo HP
[21:45] <noodlesgc> indian_munnda its called gprolog
[21:45] <captainm> I guess it really is debate time :P
[21:45] <cretep> I run dual boot XP and Ubuntu on a Thinkpad R50e and it is good.
[21:45] <EvilAIM> has HP come a long way since there screw up with the celeron?
[21:45] <chri1> anyone know about evolution?
[21:45] <Positronic> If you want something lightweight to put ubuntu on, you might consider the eeePC?
[21:45] <cytr3x> I just installed a new nic in my system, how do I force hte system to find it?
[21:45] <marx2k> Im using an HP Compaq NC6000. Works fine with the Atheros chipset
[21:45] <indian_munnda> noodlesgc: but when i m running a prolog program with it its not working
[21:45] <Positronic> Be wary of certain HP laptops though when it comes to Linux support
[21:45] <raziel_pld> hi all
[21:45] <Positronic> In general the entire Pavilion series has issues with ubuntu
[21:45] <raziel_pld> :)
[21:45] <cretep> I use evolution, but only in a limited way, as most of my email is now gmail.
[21:46] <noodlesgc> indian_munnda i cant help you, i dont know prolog
[21:46] <komputes_> Is there an equivalent to CTRL-TAB (in firefox) for gnome-terminal? CTRL-TAB just goes to the next tab.
[21:46] <EvilAIM> hmmm
[21:46] <indian_munnda> noodlesgc: no problem sir
[21:46] <noodlesgc> indian_munnda you could try in #prolog
[21:46] <indian_munnda> ;)
[21:46] <Positronic> EvilAIM: What are you going to use the laptop for?
[21:46] <mdsmedia> EvilAIM, they wanted to give me a Celeron as a replacement for my Athlon under warranty....I argued that Athlon != Celeron and they gave me a Centrino
[21:46] <dm-madman> geeze...enough people in here?
[21:46] <unop__> bradly,  alias awk2 'awk '\''{print $2}'\''' ; echo a b c d e f | awk2 # gives me b :)
[21:47] <chri1> evolution anyone?
[21:47] <Positronic> The new Centrino Pro (C2D) for laptops are really nice chips
[21:47] <crackerjackz> yowshi are you still there?
[21:47] <Positronic> Cool and fast
[21:47] <unop__> bradly, this is when you decide you move to bash :)
[21:47] <cretep> what do you want to know about evolution
[21:47] <yowshi> cracker yes
[21:47] <bradly> today is my fisrt day in tcsh!
[21:47] <raziel_pld> exit
[21:47] <bradly> i am trying to migrate my junk over
[21:47] <crackerjackz> yowshi ask your question question again
[21:48] <crackerjackz> i know someone that can help
[21:48] <yowshi> root (hd3,0)  <--- if my boot directory for gentoo is sdc1 and root "/" is sdc2 what should this entry be?
[21:48] <dm-madman> yeah wand try #gentoo since there are tons of people there that can help
[21:48] <unop__> bradly, you're brave i give you that - anyway, there you go, the alias done, trick is to use '\'' inside single quotes
[21:48] <chri1> cretep: how can I forward all incoming mail to another address like I do in gmail
[21:48] <cretep> how do you install an .rpm file in Ubuntu?
[21:48] <dm-madman> probably what you have there yowshi
[21:49] <dm-madman> root (hd3,0)
[21:49] <crackerjackz> yowshi dm-madman is who i was talking about
[21:49] <bradly> unop__: :) thanks for the help!
[21:49] <dm-madman> kernel whateverkernel root=/dev/sdc2 ...
[21:49] <marx2k> cretep: rpm packages are not native to Ubuntu. You can try using "Alien" to convert the package to a deb. Doesnt always work
[21:49] <marx2k> !rpm
[21:49] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[21:49] <yowshi> thanks dm
[21:49] <chri1> ? email forwarding?
[21:49] <yowshi> bbs i hope on gentoo :)
[21:50] <dm-madman> yw
[21:50] <Positronic> How is using alien dangerous?
[21:50] <marx2k> it could screw up the install
[21:50] <Positronic> yeah but nothing critical, right
[21:50] <marx2k> not unless youre installing something critical
[21:50] <Positronic> yeah
[21:50] <marx2k> youre better off  building from source if possible
[21:51] <captainm> Positronic, If you can’t uninstall the package without breaking your system, don’t try to replace it with an alien version.
[21:51] <Administrador> i've been having problems with my title bar
[21:51] <Administrador> it keep disappearing everytime i log into the x server
[21:51] <dm-madman> seems like ubuntu uses apt-get || rpm || adept_whatever || yum || dpkg
[21:51] <marx2k> ubuntu doesnt use rpm
[21:51] <dm-madman> no idea if they all keep track of each other
[21:52] <dm-madman> big sloppy mess IMO
[21:52] <nyarly_> ya no rpms
[21:52] <jpatrick> !rpm
[21:52] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[21:52] <dm-madman> k
[21:52] <dm-madman> no rpm
[21:52] <dm-madman> dpkg then
[21:52] <cretep> chri1, that is not something I've had to do so I don't know the answer. someone here will.
[21:53] <nyarly_> chri1, email forwarding in what?
[21:53] <chazco> Hi... i'm having trouble installing Ubuntu onto a laptop - which it has worked fine on for nearly a year. I've tried to do a clean install several times, and each time the system has been destroyed when attempting to install the massive amount of updates Gusty requires after a clean install. And on the latest attempt, the installer crashes when i try to create the partitions! I've check the CD and the hardware and all seem to be fine... any ideas?
[21:53] <Goldfisch> Great. Thanks guys. Now my wife's account is running flash just like mine. I just moved my plugins folder out to /usr/local/share, and created a symbolic link for both of us. I also adjusted the group, so we both have edit power.
[21:53] <Goldfisch> I don't know about that flashplugin-nonfree package, but it doesn't install correctly. It fails on download at the stage of md5 checksum.
[21:53] <marx2k> chazco: use a GParted LiveCD to create partitions
[21:54] <indian_munnda> !pastebin
[21:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:54] <chazco> marx2k - But the Ubuntu disc always worked before, which is why this is such a puzzling issue... cant download any more until tomorrow, but may try that,
[21:54]  * kamus_se_retirou voltou.
[21:54] <yowshi> annoyances of annoyances block device /dev/sdc2 is not a valid root. canno6t find root in .
[21:54] <Slart> I'm getting really really really slow speeds when copying a file from my local ubuntu 7.10 system to a shared folder on a remote computer using samba.. did I forget some kind of configuration thingy? is this a known problem?
[21:55] <marx2k> chazco: beats me :) It should be ok though
[21:55] <dm-madman> yeah, how do you install nopaste || wgetpaste in n00buntu anyway?
[21:55] <Peaker> Hardy is released, not a beta, right? does it use a firefox beta by default on purpose?
[21:55] <Positronic> what?
[21:55] <Positronic> The current beta of Hardy Heron uses Firefox 3 beta 4 as default
[21:55] <unop__> dm-madman, do you mean pastebinit ?
[21:55] <Peaker> oh, I thought Hardy was released already
[21:55] <Positronic> Nah, not yet
[21:55] <Positronic> Mid April is the target
[21:55] <Positronic> err
[21:56] <Peaker> Wasn't there a Slashdot article about that? Or was that April fools?
[21:56] <Positronic> June
[21:56] <marx2k> so what happens if FF3 isnt out of beta when Hardy comes out of beta? Do they go back to 2.x FF?
[21:56] <dm-madman> pastebinit the ubuntu CLI pastebin?
[21:56] <unop__> Positronic, should be ~ 26th april, when did it become june?
[21:56] <Positronic> when I misspoke
[21:56] <Positronic> about 10 seconds ago
[21:56] <unop__> dm-madman, yes
[21:56] <SIRavecavec> hi how do i add midnight commander to my edubuntu ?
[21:56] <dm-madman> thanks that'll help me help ubuntu users a lot
[21:57] <dm-madman> apt-get install pastebinit then
[21:57] <Positronic> marx2k: They'll just keep FF3.  The beta is perfectly stable
[21:57] <dm-madman> correct?
[21:57] <unop__> dm-madman, correct
[21:57] <marx2k> Positronic: Then why is it beta? :D
[21:57] <dm-madman> cool
[21:57] <erUSUL> marx2k: they will ship the beta
[21:57] <Positronic> It's perfectly stable for the end user
[21:57] <nyarly_> SIRaveavec, sudo apt-get install mc
[21:57] <SIRavecavec> ok
[21:58] <sarixe> hi, my sound device's line-in is way too loud, even when i turn the Capture slider to zero.  this belongs in ubuntu+1, but nobody there is responding...
[21:58] <erUSUL> marx2k: they probably put the final version when ready in backports or even in updates
[21:58] <Positronic> so are there any real advantages of using aptitude over apt-get after Edgy Eft other than the nicer graphical installer menu thing?
[21:58] <nyarly_> sarixe, run alsamixer and adjust it there
[21:58] <sarixe> nyarly_ : ok, i'll try that
[21:58] <marx2k> Positronic: aptitude has a GUI?
[21:58] <Positronic> not a GUI
[21:58] <chazco> Since Gusty has broken for no obvious reason i may try Hardy, but am wary of running it on a live machine.
[21:58] <nyarly_> ncurses interface
[21:58] <Positronic> but just a graphical menu that lists installed packages
[21:58] <Positronic> yes
[21:59] <DuperMan> yo's
[21:59] <DuperMan> a/j linux
[21:59] <DuperMan> lol dang
[21:59] <marx2k> Oh..thar thing.. I just always use aptitude from the command line with options. (install, update, etc(
[21:59] <DuperMan> nm me...
[21:59] <SIRavecavec> nyarly_,  is not working
[21:59] <SIRavecavec> says its used by another proces
[21:59] <sarixe> nyarly_ : still the same problem
[22:00] <marx2k> any time Ive used the aptitude ncurses dealie, its confusing as hell and tells me packages are broken or...something
[22:00] <nyarly_> sarixe, u turned down the linein?
[22:00] <chri1> why does firefox keep asking me to install plugins on YouTube when I already did?
[22:00] <DareDevil_Ubuntu> Good Afternoon
[22:00] <Jaapz> try sudo apt-get autoremove in term
[22:00] <Jaapz> u gotta restart chril :P
[22:00] <sarixe> nyarly_ : linein was MM, so i went over to the Capture section, and modified Capture's volume, and it was the same thing
[22:00] <AaronShaf> Is Configure::write session-specific, or application-wide?
[22:00] <DareDevil_Ubuntu> Can any body tell me where can I find a good tutorial for bash scripting in Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibson??
[22:00] <AaronShaf> I ask because I'm setting the user's default language
[22:01] <nyarly_> sarixe, ah sorry it was my only idea
[22:01] <AaronShaf> woops
[22:01] <AaronShaf> wrong room
[22:01] <AaronShaf> exit
[22:01] <marx2k> DareDevil_Ubuntu: good bash scripting :)
[22:01] <erUSUL> DareDevil_Ubuntu: search google for adavanced bash scripting guide
[22:01] <Jaapz> lol Gutsy Gibson
[22:01] <marx2k> (+ tutorial)
[22:01] <nyarly_> SIRaveavec, apt is being used or mc?
[22:01] <sarixe> nyarly_ : actually, that turned out to be a switch, "Line In as Output", which actually reverses the flow of the line-in plug...
[22:01] <unop__> DareDevil_Ubuntu, http://tinyurl.com/2mlon3
[22:02] <erUSUL> DareDevil_Ubuntu: or ask in ##bash ;P
[22:02] <nyarly_> SIRaveavec, 'ps auswx | grep apt' and kill it if so
[22:02] <nyarly_> see ya guys ttyl
[22:02] <unop__> #bash
[22:02] <ares-mars> hello everyone. Can someone help me with a guide to getting my Verizon wireless USB card to work in Gutsy?
[22:02] <Draconicus> I can get the latest versions of most software for Feisty, right?
[22:03] <Jaapz> yeah
[22:03] <jpatrick> Draconicus: hmm, no
[22:03] <Draconicus> No?
[22:03] <Draconicus> Repos are limited?
[22:03] <Jaapz> most software u can
[22:03] <Jaapz> not for all though
[22:03] <Draconicus> How 'bout Compiz?
[22:04] <jpatrick> Draconicus: no, only security and bug fix updates happen
[22:04] <Draconicus> Bleh.
[22:04] <Draconicus> Well, I'm not on an unstable laptop anymore. I suppose I can risk a dist-upgrade.
[22:04] <SIRavecavec> bbl
[22:04] <crackerjackz> how do i forcifully close out add/remove applications (its frozen)
[22:04] <Draconicus> Or rather, an upgrade manager thingy
[22:04] <dez> has anyone found out how to get the volume buttons to work on the asus eee pc in 7.10?
[22:05] <Draconicus> dez: Obscure things like that are best left to google.
[22:05] <dez> :'(
[22:05] <Positronic> dez: there is a nice guide on fixing some things in ubuntu on the eeePC, let me find it
[22:05] <unop__> crackerjackz, at a terminal - type  xkill  and then click on the window you want closing
[22:05] <Draconicus> dez: Well you got lucky. My point is that the odds of somebody knowing about it are slim in an IRC channel.
[22:05] <Teoz> hey how can I do a checksum for a folder ?
[22:06] <marx2k> md5?
[22:06] <u007-1> hi, anyone know where i can manually set xwindow resolution? is it /home/<user>/.gconf/desktop/gnome/screen/default/0
[22:06] <unop__> Teoz, you should do the checksumming on the files in the folder, checking a folder that way would be futile
[22:06] <crackerjackz> thank you unop__
[22:06] <Teoz> anything to check the integrity or the fact that a folder is correcly copied
[22:07] <unop__> Teoz, yea, check the integrity of the files it contains :)
[22:07] <ares-mars> can anyone help me figure out how i can get my verizon broadband wifi card to work in gutsy? I've googled some stuff, but there doesn't seem to be a clear step-by-step how to
[22:07] <cretep> that eeePC is an interesting machine. I'm thinking of buying one, but (1) the keyboard is too small and (2) the screen is too small.
[22:07] <Teoz> actually, I copied a large large folder and I just wanna make sure there is nothing wrong with the copy
[22:07] <cretep> Waht about attaching another screen and keyboard....
[22:07] <unop__> Teoz, man sha1sum
[22:07] <pwnies> Hey all
[22:07] <pwnies> I need some help
[22:07] <pwnies> I just updated to the 8.04 beta
[22:08] <pwnies> and I'm having some graphics problems
[22:08] <Teoz> unop__: where do I put the name of the folder ??
[22:08] <unop__> Teoz, did you read my last two posts?
[22:08] <cin> hi i have a ibm laptop r40 and a sitecom usb wlan stick connected, should ubuntu 7.10 detect it ?
[22:08] <DareDevil_Ubuntu> thanks a lot
[22:08] <pwnies> When I boot x I'm forced into low graphics mode, despite having enabled the restricted drivers for the nvidea card i have
[22:08] <orksnork> hi guys, i'm having a problem with mplayerplugin, sort of a newb, maybe i can get some help
[22:08] <chazco> Hi... i'm having trouble installing Ubuntu onto a laptop - which it has worked fine on for nearly a year. I've tried to do a clean install several times, and each time the system has been destroyed when attempting to install the massive amount of updates Gusty requires after a clean install. And on the latest attempt, the installer crashes when i try to create the partitions! I've check the CD and the hardware and all seem to be fine... any ideas?
[22:08] <Teoz> unop__: yes you said " man sha1 sum"
[22:09] <unop__> Teoz, the two before that
[22:09] <u007-1> anyone know where i can set xwindow resolution in term?
[22:09] <Positronic> dez: I can't find it sorry.  Like Draconicus said, you might just do a search on google for it
[22:09] <dez> k thanks anyways
[22:09] <orksnork> when using mplayerplugin, some things will buffer to 99% and then hang, others will buffer fully, then say Playing but immediately stop, I can't get any video and ive been on this two hours now
[22:09] <Teoz> unop__:  okay so how do I reculsivly check the sum of all files then :P
[22:09] <feierfox> hi
[22:10] <feierfox> how to remove pakceges (deb) on the "hard way"?
[22:10] <emja> what is the correct location for configuring system wide environment variables? on RH and derivatives it is /etc/profile.d/
[22:10] <feierfox> all ways failed
[22:10] <feierfox> i have to remove gnome-games-data_1%3a2.22.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[22:10] <Draconicus> Who's got a good idea of whether Beryl is still tidier than the current Compiz revision in terms of resource use?
[22:10] <unop__> Teoz, does the folder have subdirectories?
[22:10] <Noname> where are the mic setting or input setting in ubuntu all i can find is where to chose the mixer at
[22:10] <emja> Noname: tried alsamixer?
[22:10] <Teoz> unop__: yeah its basically a hard drive in a folder
[22:10] <Noname> command in term?
[22:11] <Teoz> unop__: so indeed a lots of subfolders
[22:11] <emja> Noname: yep
[22:11] <Noname> thx
[22:11] <unop__> Teoz, ok, just a sec
[22:11] <emja> Noname: your favourite mixer app should do the same, but that'll get you started
[22:11] <nonix4> Umm, is there a mapping of /etc/debian_version contents <-> ubuntu releases somewhere? As in how do I identify old unlabeled backups quick?
[22:11] <thesurvivorman>  gksu gedit /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf and then and make sure vo=xv, x11 is commented out orksnork
[22:11] <Silencedbear> could anyone tell me how to uninstall xgl server please.
[22:11] <thesurvivorman> that always works for me with the exact same problem
[22:12] <fbc> I deleted some files after invoking the ROOT-NAUTILUS-HERE script. Now I cannot empty the trash can either as root nor my user account and delete those files permanently.
[22:12] <applecucumber> For Firefox Plugins: what is the difference between the plugins being in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins compared to ~/.mozilla/plugins ?? i had to move plugins from the first folder to the latter for the plugins to work.. just curious . thanks
[22:12] <thesurvivorman> sudo apt-get remove xserver-xgl
[22:12] <emja> applecucumber: one is for all users, the other for one user
[22:12] <Silencedbear> ty the
[22:13] <applecucumber> which one is for all users?
[22:13] <thesurvivorman> i think the ones in ~/.mozilla are user
[22:13] <emja> applecucumber: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[22:13] <Odd-rationale> What happens if you try to boot an ubuntu livecd 64bit in a non 64bit computer?
[22:13] <Noname> whats a good mixer app
[22:13] <cin> !$%& my ubuntu doesn´t detect my sitecom wlan stick
[22:13] <thesurvivorman> because it is in your home... that makes sense to me
[22:13] <emja> Noname: are you running nome or kde (or something else)?
[22:13] <emja> er... gnome
[22:13] <Noname> gnome
[22:14] <applecucumber> oh cool thanks.. i dunno why sometimes it installs in the first folder but it doesnt work unless i move it into the ~/.mozilla/ folder
[22:14] <Administrador> what is better gnome or kde?
[22:14] <emja> Noname: you should have a mixer in your tray. if not, right click on the tray and add it
[22:14] <applecucumber> since the previous folder is for all users
[22:14] <emja> Administrador: umm... *realy* bad question. ;-)
[22:14] <thesurvivorman> Administrador, that is subjective. People like different window managers for different reasons. You'll just need to try both.
[22:15] <unop_> Teoz, run this on the source folder  "find /source -type f -exec sha1sum {} \; >/tmp/source_list" -- then run this on the destination "find /dest -type f -exec sha1sum {} \; >/tmp/dest_list"  then compare the differences -- diff /tmp/{source,dest}
[22:15] <mado> hi guys ... can you help me please? ... 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller ... SigmaTel STAC9205 ... ... ... i want that it works
[22:15] <agroker> Administrador, Gnome supports OOXML
[22:15] <emja> Administrador: as a *really* rough guide, gnome is often better for users transitioning from windows, whereas kde is for those wanting lots of config options
[22:15] <Noname> i have volume control but i don't see where i could change mic settings
[22:15] <Teoz> unop_ ok i try now
[22:15] <slipttees> hey
[22:15] <Administrador> thesurvivorman i can get kde with apt-get install kde?
[22:15] <unop_> emja, that's assuming all windows users are dummies :)
[22:16] <thesurvivorman> right click on the tray icon and there are other options
[22:16] <slipttees> firefox 2 going released from dapper ?
[22:16] <emja> Noname: right click on the vol control, then properties or similar
[22:16] <crackerjackz> add/remove programs froze so i did xkill on it (before i did xkill i was in the process of installing audacious it was downloading the last two packages then it went haywire thats when i did the xkill
[22:16] <thesurvivorman> Administrador, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[22:16] <kiboko> can anybody tell my why i can't open my opera's ? it's log from bash --> http://www.wklej.org/id/8adc82d2b6
[22:16] <emja> unop_: ;-)
[22:16] <crackerjackz> any ways i started audacious install again and it now says another synaptic is running
[22:16] <emja> crackerjackz: you've got an errant pid laying around.
[22:17] <ares-mars> hey guys, can someone plz help me with my new verizon broadband usb card in ubuntu?
[22:17] <crackerjackz> emja how do i close it out
[22:17] <Administrador> emja thx for answer
[22:17] <mado> do you guys need more information?
[22:17] <Noname> i'm getting an error now since i boosted it in alsamixer
[22:17] <chri1> why is the internet so slow with linux?
[22:17] <emja> Administrador: you're very welcome
[22:17] <emja> crackerjackz: not sure where it would be, hang on and I'll chk
[22:17] <slipttees> firefox 2 will be released for dapper ?
[22:17] <Noname> when i try to go into sound recorder and mic is not working in teamspeak
[22:17] <applecucumber> in irc how do you reply to someone and make a beep sound simultanously?
[22:17] <mneptok> slipttees: only as a backport
[22:17] <crackerjackz> ok
[22:18] <mado> hi guys ... can you help me please that this thing works? ... 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller ... SigmaTel STAC9205 ... ... ... because i don't know what to  say more at the moment
[22:18] <thesurvivorman> crackerjackz, in the terminal, type top and search for the pid of the program you want to kill. then type k and the pid and enter to kill
[22:18] <slipttees> mneptok: why ?
[22:18] <Administrador> Can you get both enviroment(kde and gnome) and how can I choose between both?
[22:18] <Positronic> Just install the kubuntu metapackage
[22:19] <emja> crackerjackz: thesurvivorman is right. and I can't find the pid file anyway
[22:19] <thesurvivorman> yes... install them both and then choose which session at login
[22:19] <Positronic> Then when you get to the log in screen you will be able to choose KDE
[22:19] <mado> you can choose between both at the login-screen Administrador
[22:19] <Positronic> yes
[22:19] <crackerjackz> thesurvivorman i dont know the name of the process
[22:19] <ares-mars> hey guys, can someone plz help me with my new verizon broadband usb card in ubuntu?
[22:19] <crackerjackz> i dont know the PID number either
[22:19] <unop> !adeptcrash | crackerjackz
[22:19] <ubotu> crackerjackz: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:20] <slipttees> mneptok: dapper with a browser obsolete is bad! =-/
[22:20] <slipttees> very obsolete
[22:20] <crackerjackz> ubotu that is way over my head
[22:20] <slipttees> :
[22:20] <unop> applecucumber, a beep on your end or a beep on their end?
[22:20] <applecucumber> umm just like what you just did.. a beep for the receiver
[22:21] <Noname> when i try to open sound recorder i get error Your audio capture settings are invalid. Please correct them in the Multimedia settings.
[22:21] <thesurvivorman> crackerjackz, you could just log out and log back in and see if that helps... otherwise, you're going to have to run that command in terminal
[22:21] <crackerjackz> thesurvivorman which command?
[22:21] <mneptok> slipttees: security problems will be addressed. that's it. that's how Ubuntu works.
[22:21] <emja> crackerjackz: .... or reboot. ugh
[22:21] <ryanakca> crackerjackz: go Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
[22:21] <slipttees> mneptok: :'(
[22:22] <crackerjackz> i shouldnt have to reboot thats a M$ windblowz thing
[22:22] <ryanakca> crackerjackz: tell me when it's open
[22:22] <ares-mars> hey guys, can someone plz help me with my new verizon broadband usb card in ubuntu?
[22:22] <LjL> crackerjackz, you open a terminal, and you type the following letters: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:22] <emja> crackerjackz: you were given an alternative solution
[22:22] <FFVV> Can anyone help me? i installed pureftpd:
[22:22] <slipttees> mneptok: firefox 1.5 is bad to web2.0 ajax and more =-/
[22:22] <FFVV> [R] Connecting to  PORT=21
[22:22] <FFVV> [R] Connected to
[22:22] <FFVV> [R] 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [privsep] [TLS] ----------
[22:22] <FFVV> [R] 220-You are user number 1 of 50 allowed.
[22:22] <FFVV> [R] 220-Local time is now 23:21. Server port: 21.
[22:22] <FloodBot2> FFVV: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:22] <FFVV> [R] 220-This is a private system - No anonymous login
[22:22] <unop> applecucumber, that must be a thing on your irc client because it's something that can be controller by the reciever, and to be honest, it's not a very pleasant thing to do
[22:23] <thesurvivorman> crackerjackz, the command suggested by ubotu
[22:23] <anteaya> Noname: when you find a solution, please share with me, I am having the same problem
[22:23] <ryanakca> Administrador: to install KDE, install the kubuntu-desktop package. You can switch between sessions at the login screen.
[22:23]  * Kuwanger wonders when Ubuntu will update the opera package.
[22:23] <jpatrick> Kuwanger: in Hardy only
[22:23] <Administrador> ryanakca thx
[22:23] <mneptok> slipttees: are you asking me something, or ... ?
[22:23] <Kuwanger> jpatrick: Hmm?
[22:24] <applecucumber> oh ok cool.. i actually like being beeped because then i know if someone is replying (i can read something else in the meantime) hehe thanks
[22:24] <jpatrick> Kuwanger: software updates only go into HArdy
[22:24] <Kuwanger> jpatrick: Um, this is a security update.
[22:24] <crackerjackz> still says the same thing even after that command
[22:24] <jpatrick> Kuwanger: ah, right
[22:24] <slipttees> mneptok: nop
[22:24] <Teoz> unop_: is it supposed to take a really long time ??
[22:24] <FFVV> anyone know how i can set a user/pw in pureftpd?
[22:24] <erUSUL> jpatrick: backports and proposed (the last one sometimes dangerous) ??
[22:25] <ryanakca> crackerjackz: Were there any error messages?
[22:25] <jpatrick> erUSUL: proposed is testing updates, yes
[22:25] <crackerjackz> no
[22:25] <crackerjackz> it went straight back to the command line
[22:25] <ryanakca> crackerjackz: whats the original problem? Is Adept frozen? Is it still running?
[22:25] <slipttees> mneptok: Just think the firefox 2 should leave officially for the dapper!
[22:25] <unop> Teoz, oh yes, you can go out for a couple of hours atleast
[22:25] <unop> Teoz, how man gigabytes of data?
[22:25] <unop> many*
[22:25] <etale> hi all-I tried reinstalling ubuntu, now i have two ubuntu's at startup... how can i erase the old one easily?
[22:25] <Teoz> unop approx 10
[22:26] <Teoz> unop approx 10GB
[22:26] <erUSUL> jpatrick: i know ;P just pointing aout that 23:23 < jpatrick> Kuwanger: in Hardy only is not quite whole the truth XD
[22:26] <unop> Teoz, and how many files ?
[22:26] <Teoz> unop something like 6000
[22:26] <jpatrick> erUSUL: we'd new put new releases in -proposed
[22:26] <crackerjackz> i opened up add/remove programs and searched for audacious it began downloading packages and  it was right at the end 2 of them failed i pressed ok and add/remove had hourglass over it but wasent responding so i did xkill on it
[22:26] <Teoz> maybe it wasnt the best idea I had to checksum that big of a thing :P
[22:26] <jpatrick> erUSUL: and I am an Ubuntu Backporter
[22:26] <ryanakca> crackerjackz: ok, then what?
[22:26] <applecucumber> what does /ctcp do?
[22:26] <crackerjackz> then i opened add/remove programs back up and searched audacious again and it gives me the error
[22:26] <unop> Teoz, yea, i'd say atleast a couple of hours
[22:26] <jpatrick> applecucumber: DON'T do it
[22:27] <crackerjackz> another synaptic is runinng
[22:27] <applecucumber> oh ok
[22:27] <applecucumber> i was just reading a list of irc commands-- didnt know what it did
[22:27] <FFVV> anyone know how i can set a user/pw in pureftpd?
[22:27] <Kuwanger> jpatrick: I specifically speaking of this: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2008/02/14/9-26-coming-soon
[22:27] <Teoz> unop: craaaaaaaaaaazy duuuuuuuude... all right then.. well, I am guessing there is no other shorter way.. oh yeah, do you have any of where Ubuntu stores the commands it accepts in the Terminal ?
[22:27] <crackerjackz> applecucumber if you wanna see what /ctcp does test it on your self
[22:27] <unop> Teoz, well, maybe it wasnt a good idea, but errm, if it has to be verified, it has to be
[22:27] <jpatrick> applecucumber: well, I really don't recommend it at all
[22:27] <applecucumber> ??
[22:28] <jpatrick> !guidelines > applecucumber
[22:28] <Teoz> unop: like, the "cat" command or the "md5sum" command ?
[22:28] <thesurvivorman> crackerjackz, did you try killall synaptic
[22:28] <grinder> wow
[22:28] <unop> Teoz, there are faster ways, but less reliable -- command history is in ~/.bash_history
[22:28] <grinder> i need some serious help oplease
[22:28] <Kuwanger> |am
[22:28] <dreamor> Does anyone know if there has been any enhancements to the install time disk encryption from 7.10 to 8.04?
[22:28] <Kuwanger> err, +am
[22:28] <crackerjackz> thesurvivorman no i have no
[22:28] <crackerjackz> i will try that
[22:28] <grinder> just installed ubuntu 5.2
[22:28] <grinder> or some crap
[22:28] <daedra> oh god, irssi on #ubuntu for 4 hours
[22:28] <grinder> and i cant install nothing
[22:28] <daedra> SO MUCH SCROLLING
[22:28] <Teoz> unop: that does, tell size ?
[22:28] <daedra> PGUP
[22:28] <unop> Teoz, you could use md5sum in place of sha1sum and the command will still work, it will only be marginally faster tho and could be less reliable
[22:29] <grinder> anyone help me please
[22:29] <fismoll8> hey guys, I'm trying to import my /home/username folder with all my desktop settings onto a new computer. I'm able to import it fine; however, when gdm loads, it loads the default desktop, and not the one with all my customizations. Anyone know why?
[22:29] <jpatrick> Kuwanger: I see.
[22:29] <crackerjackz> i think that worked
[22:29] <unop> Teoz, errm, tell size??
[22:29] <crackerjackz> thesurvivorman thanks =]
[22:29] <grinder> YO I NEED SOME SERIOUS HELP
[22:29] <daedra> EAT IT
[22:29] <thesurvivorman> np crackerjackz
[22:29] <Teoz> unop: I mean, does it only confirm the size of the folder/files it wrote down ? I am just wondering what the history stores
[22:30] <grinder> how do i install thigns?
[22:30] <grinder> i have a alienware 7500 and i need my drivers installed
[22:30] <grinder> upgraded from vista
[22:30] <i-martian> hi , any roboform alternative for ubuntu ?
[22:30] <chri1> why is internet so slow on ubuntu
[22:30] <sanzanric> does anybody know how you would make a shell script to shutdown your computer after dpkg finishes after a apt upgrade
[22:30] <unop> Teoz, it computes the sha1 sum of the file .. the output is destined to /tmp/source and /tmp/dest
[22:31] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: dpkg ... && shutdown -h now?
[22:31] <Administrador> grinder what "things" do you need to install?
[22:31] <Teoz> unop: cool good to know, thanks, also I am still curious :P, where does Ubuntu store the commands that Terminal accepts ?
[22:32] <jeffMASTERflex> Teoz: /usr/bin
[22:32] <unop> sanzanric, sudo sh -c "dpkg ... && poweroff"
[22:32] <asdfasdf> ;p
[22:32] <unop> Teoz, if you use bash (which is default) history goes in ~/.bash_history
[22:32] <sanzanric> Kuwanger, while that works on the cmd line, what if did some updates thru synaptic
[22:33] <grinder> rawr
[22:33] <grinder> im going insane
[22:33] <grinder> please hlpe
[22:33] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: Then..not much can be done, since I don't think synaptic can be set to close after applying updates. :/
[22:33] <gmenelau> i need help ... how can i write bin file direct to dvd
[22:33] <gmenelau> i need help ... how can i write bin file direct to dvd
[22:33] <grinder> ugh for fuck sakes.
[22:33] <unop> language grinder
[22:34] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: what about upstart, isn't it able to do something like this
[22:34] <unop> grinder, ask a question to the room .
[22:34] <Teoz> unop: thanks for the answer !
[22:34] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: Hmm?
[22:34] <Teoz> jeffMASTERflex: thanks also !
[22:34] <emja> can anyone tell me what the correct location is for configuring system wide environment variables? equiv of /etc/profile.d/ on RH and derivatives
[22:34] <Noname> anteaya- Hey i fixed i changed to oss mixer then added mic select and selected mic 2 it works great in teamspeak now
[22:34] <unop> emja, /etc/profile
[22:34] <emja> Noname: beaut. well done
[22:35] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: How would upstart help?
[22:35] <emja> unop: dang. so no *.d dir.
[22:35] <Noname> anteaya: Hey i fixed i changed to oss mixer then added mic select and selected mic 2 it works great in teamspeak now
[22:35] <mobodo> I'm confused - am I supposed to use the drivers that come in synaptics or should I download drivers directly from NVidia for my GeForce?
[22:35] <mobodo> (or are they the same?)
[22:35] <islandex> ALGUEM BRASILEIRO AQUI?
[22:35] <emja> unop: thx
[22:35] <Noname> just wanted to make sure he/she sees it
[22:35] <anteaya> Noname: thank you for sharing that
[22:35] <unop> emja, /etc/profile is a file, it's used across many shells -- you can put bash specific ones in /etc/bash.bashrc
[22:35] <Odd-rationale> mobodo: synaptic
[22:35] <Noname> no prob good luck
[22:35] <applecucumber> mobodo, i used the ones from synatic
[22:35] <emja> mobodo: i'd do it via synaptic
[22:36] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: i don't really know anything about upstart, but i've read this linux.com article on how you could specify events on other events
[22:36] <anteaya> Noname: I saw and thank you
[22:36] <islandex> ALGUEM DO BRASIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLL AKI?
[22:36] <Odd-rationale> mobodo: or you can use the restricted drivers manager
[22:36] <sanzanric> using upstart
[22:36] <anteaya> Noname: and to you
[22:36] <gmenelau> i need help ... how can i write bin file direct to dvd ?
[22:36] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: Right, but that means generating events.
[22:36] <snowolf> islandex: #ubuntu-br / #ubuntu-pt
[22:36] <mobodo> ok, and then I have the normal drivers and the "new" drivers...?
[22:36] <emja> unop: yep, understood. I was hoping that I didn't have to plonk everything in the same file though. ;-)
[22:36] <slipttees> islandex: opa
[22:36] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: The issue is, synaptic doesn't generate events (AFAIK).  So, you'd have to modify synaptic to generate events.
[22:36] <applecucumber> gmenelau, can you copy the files to the dvd and burn it?
[22:36] <slipttees> islandex: vai para o #ubuntu-br
[22:36] <emja> mobodo: no idea
[22:36] <sap> Hi, I have installed Xfce  on my Ubuntu (Gnome) machine  but  when I choose "Xfce" session then it creates a new (empty) desktop. How can I transfer my files (desktop also)  exactly onto the Xfce session ?
[22:37] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: so would that require modifying dpkg to send a event
[22:37] <killshot> isn't there a nero for linux
[22:37] <Kragnerac> Hello, does anyone randomly receive the "gdm[5427]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0" when running Firefox?
[22:37] <emja> sap: did you install xubuntu?
[22:37] <qwazz> hi...when i boot my computer x wont start, i just get an error that says "no devices found" can someone please help me trouble shoot this?
[22:37] <gmenelau> applecucumber yes
[22:37] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: No, it'd require modifying synaptic.
[22:37] <applecucumber> under the places tab, there is also  a cd/dvd creator
[22:37] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: ah, well thanks!
[22:37] <thesurvivorman> sap, it should have transferred, but maybe xfce doesn't show icons on the desktop by default
[22:37] <gmenelau> applecucumber no i cant do that
[22:37] <sap> emja, no . I've been using ubuntu (gnome)  but I installed just the xfce desktop now
[22:38] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: Although you could modify dpkg instead..  But, if you're using dpkg, you could just use the && poweroff.
[22:38] <unop> emja, i suspect RH uses a /etc/profile (since its standard) .. and uses that to source files from /etc/profile.d/ .. you can do the same on ubuntu, sure -- just include this into /etc/profile - for i in /etc/profile.d/*; do source $i; done
[22:38] <emja> sap: I would have installed xubuntu-desktop *on* ubuntu, integration might be better
[22:38] <applecucumber> what happens when you try burning the file?
[22:38] <sap> thesurvivorman, so how do i transfer or make it show?
[22:38] <killshot> use sudo apt-get install bchunk to burn a BIN file
[22:38] <emja> unop: of course. simple, and efective solution. many thanks!
[22:38] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: The simplest answer, btw, would be to add an option to synaptic to allow you to make it auto-close when it's done.
[22:38] <killshot> it'll convert the bin to an iso file
[22:38] <rinaldi_> is there an app I can use to convert and burn a video file to a dvd readable in a dvd player?
[22:39] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: Then you could use synaptic in the same form.
[22:39] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: i was thinking if you modified dpkg, synaptic would automatically get the benefits from it, since it uses it as a sub-process
[22:39] <qwazz> i got disconnected.  Could someone help me troubleshoot the "no devices found" error when trying to startx?
[22:39] <Odd-rationale> !dvd
[22:39] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[22:39] <killshot> rinaldi: convertXtoDVD works under wine
[22:39] <gmenelau> applecucumber there is a big ? in the icon
[22:39] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: or am i wrong here
[22:39] <sap> emja, so is xubuntu-desktop different that installing xfce-desktop? I'm not sure which one I installed but the desktop in xfce session is empty /
[22:39] <applecucumber> found a website for bchunk: http://he.fi/bchunk/ .. bout burning bin to cd
[22:40] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: Well, are you planning this modification for just your benefit?
[22:40] <mobodo> what I don't understand is that when I try to install the nvidia-settings package, it wants to uninstall the nvidia-glx package and vice-versa
[22:40] <emja> sap: ok, sorry. we might be talking about the same pkg.
[22:40] <sap> emja, yeah it was in the repos
[22:41] <emja> sap: beaut, then you're on the right track. someone else said your problem migth be that icons are simply not displaying. it could be a config option in xfce to enable such
[22:41] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: no, well maybe, if i could learn more C in order to hack dpkg a little
[22:41] <emja> sap: sorry, can't help further. I don't use xfce
[22:41] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: Well, upstart isn't used by all distros that use dpkg.
[22:41] <qwazz> i got disconnected.  Could someone help me troubleshoot the "no devices found" error when trying to startx?
[22:42] <sap> emja, no probs.. think thesurvivorman may have something .. he's checkin :)
[22:42] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: Nor is synpatic, but synaptic is more ubuntu-oriented.
[22:42] <emja> unop: genius. worked a treat
[22:42] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: i've heard that debian is going to be using upstart
[22:42] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: More importantly, there are a lot of tools that use dpkg.  The lower down you make the modification, the more work you're going to have to make sure things don't break with various tools.
[22:43] <komputes_> Is there an equivalent to CTRL-TAB (in firefox) for gnome-terminal? CTRL-TAB just goes to the next tab.
[22:43] <nael> I have a novel problem. I had a dual boot set up on a HP laptop with Vista and Ubuntu. Somehow Vista got deleted/re-installed badly. Here is the problem I cannot re-install Vista while there is a Linux partition but I cannot boot the HP recovery partition without GRUB which can only be found in a Linux partition Linux partition. Any suggestions would be gratefully accepted. Thanks.
[22:43] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: And until people accept your changes, you're going to have to maintain things. :/
[22:43] <maurocesar> i need a help my audio no work,
[22:43] <gmenelau> applecucumber ok thanks
[22:43] <crackerjackz> [18:19:00] Common channels for ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu]: #ubuntu
[22:43] <crackerjackz> [18:19:00] <ubotu> Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail
[22:43] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: I'm just saying, it sounds like you have issue with synaptic, not with dpkg.
[22:43] <applecucumber> does bchunk work for you?
[22:43] <LjL> !bot | crackerjackz
[22:43] <ubotu> crackerjackz: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[22:43] <crackerjackz> the bot said that
[22:43] <crackerjackz> not sure why
[22:44] <ryanakca> sap: if your question hasn't been answered yet, you might want to join #xubuntu
[22:44] <maurocesar> olá, preciso de ajuda para configurar o aúdio no meu ubuntu 7.10
[22:44] <LjL> crackerjackz: perhaps because you talked to it as if it were a real person :)
[22:44] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: Of course, it's your choice on where you want to make your modification.  I'm just trying to debate with you the ramifications.
[22:44] <LjL> !br | maurocesar
[22:44] <ubotu> maurocesar: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[22:44] <sap> ryanakca, k thatnks
[22:44] <crackerjackz> ljl sleep deprivation ensues =p
[22:44] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: not just with synaptic, but any program that installs other programs in ubuntu
[22:44] <maurocesar> obrigado
[22:45] <byte_slave> hello everyone!
[22:45] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: I see.  I'm not sure how events work with upstart, btw.
[22:45] <grinder> I NEED SOME HELP
[22:45] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: From the description, "Upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running."
[22:45] <ryanakca> grinder: just ask your question :)
[22:45] <grinder> thanks.
[22:45] <grinder> ok
[22:45] <Administrador> grinder what do you need?
[22:45] <grinder> i new to ubuntu
[22:45] <FFVV> How do i give a user access to everything (like root has) ? :)
[22:45] <grinder> i dont know how to isntall at all
[22:45] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: you see, if i install twenty packages before i go a sleep i would like my computer to turn off automatically afterwards
[22:46] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: I'm not sure exactly what this "supervising" entails.
[22:46] <byte_slave> i had to change my hardware, specificaly the motherboard, and i've a full installation of ubuntu but for the original motherboard, i have to do again all the installation steps from the beginning, or i just have to recompile the kernel?
[22:46] <grinder> i have a alienware 7500
[22:46] <grinder> and i need to isntall my drivers
[22:46] <thesurvivorman> sap, i would join #xubuntu, but this guide might help too: http://linux.about.com/od/xubuntu_doc/a/xubudg22t01.htm
[22:46] <grinder> i have the disk
[22:46] <grinder> but dont know how to make a .exe run
[22:46] <ryanakca> !install | grinder
[22:46] <ubotu> grinder: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[22:46] <unop> FFVV, you dont really want to do that
[22:46] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: I can understand that.
[22:46] <grinder> !install | grinder.. then what
[22:46] <ubotu> grinder.. then what: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[22:46] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: One really cheap idea would involve using cron and a script.
[22:47] <thesurvivorman> what isn't working grinder. you more than likely will not use the install disk for anything, maybe wireless drivers.
[22:47] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: yes, thats what got me started, cron
[22:47] <thesurvivorman> What isn't working?
[22:47] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: Once a minute, the script would run and check if dpkg is running.  If it isn't, it'd delete itself and shutdown.
[22:47] <ryanakca> grinder: ah, Linux doesn't use .exe. We have many free and open source equivalents to the Windows programs. If you absolutely need to run a .exe, You'll want !wine
[22:47] <grinder> no sound
[22:47] <grinder> i need my nvidia drivers towork
[22:47] <grinder> also
[22:47] <sap> thesurvivorman, hmm.. weird.. all the desktop icons are available now.. but all jumbled up .  . So if I make any changes to them , it would reflect in my gnome session as well , right?
[22:47] <FFVV> How do i give a user access to everything (like root has) ? :)
[22:47] <grinder> im on 5.10
[22:47] <unop> FFVV, you dont really want to do that
[22:47] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: but so inelegant
[22:47] <ryanakca> !patience | FFVV
[22:47] <ubotu> FFVV: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[22:47] <grinder> and im i dl the 7.10 and trying to install that
[22:47] <sap> thesurvivorman, ty for that link also
[22:48] <thesurvivorman> yes sap, it should either window manager.
[22:48] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: Right, but any solution is inelegant. :/
[22:48] <grinder> any idea
[22:48] <thesurvivorman> *affect
[22:48] <FFVV> [22:47:42] <unop> FFVV, you dont really want to do that <-- Yes, im pretty sure i do :P
[22:48] <ryanakca> grinder: you'll probably want 7.10... good. 5.10 has been obsolete for quite some time, you'll have more luck with 7.10 :)
[22:48] <grinder> how to upgrade?
[22:48] <sap> thesurvivorman, lol... okie
[22:48] <Luckrider> hey, can anyone tell me the channel for Hardy Heron
[22:48] <grinder> yeah
[22:48] <grinder> yeah
[22:48] <grinder> how do i install it..
[22:48] <nael> can anybody help with my problem please?
[22:48] <grinder> i dl it
[22:48] <FloodBot2> grinder: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:48] <chombee> Hey -- the new compositor in metacity in hardy doesn't use 3D acceleration, does it? Things seem slow
[22:48] <thesurvivorman> #ubuntu+1
[22:48] <Luckrider> thanks
[22:48] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: I mean, what happens if the update fails?
[22:48] <ryanakca> grinder: Is the download complete? Are you currently running Windows or Ubuntu?
[22:49] <marx2k> couldnt you just look for a error return code of 0 or nonzero?
[22:49] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: yes, and dpkg never starts
[22:49] <grinder> ubuntu I hate windows
[22:49] <unop> FFVV, you shouldnt really do that, hows that for a rephrase? :)
[22:49] <grinder> i want to upgrade from 5.10 to 7.10 i have dl it. and it completed
[22:49] <grinder> sitting on the desktop
[22:49] <NemesisD> anyone know what happened to the compiz snow plugin?
[22:49] <grinder> and i cant seem to open it.. cuz its a .bin file
[22:49] <thesurvivorman> it's spring
[22:49] <NemesisD> but its snowing outside
[22:49] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: I was thinking much worse, like you setting it up to ignore errors downloading and it grabbing a new kernel but not new modules.
[22:49] <ryanakca> grinder: ok, wait. Did you download the ubuntu 7.10 iso?
[22:50] <grinder> yes
[22:50] <grinder> ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
[22:50] <nael> then burn it to a disk
[22:50] <ryanakca> grinder: ok, then https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#head-41d485cd1f4a2902492b7e5dcc1991af2ec8f564
[22:50] <grinder> Oo.
[22:50] <nael> and boot with that disk
[22:50] <grinder> i cant brun nothing
[22:50] <grinder> cant read no drivers.
[22:50] <grinder> like i said im on a alienware 7500 that came with Crapps ass Vista
[22:50] <thesurvivorman> snow plugin: http://www.anykeysoftware.co.uk/compiz/plugins/snow.tar.gz
[22:50] <ryanakca> grinder: What do you mean, cant read no drivers... do you have a CD drive?
[22:51] <grinder> yeah of course.
[22:51] <nael> why can you not burn then?
[22:51] <applecucumber> does you cd drive have writer ?
[22:51] <sixforty> Is there a way to get each chan its own window using Pidgin?
[22:51] <grinder> i installed ubuntu from a disk but when i tried it said use the acpi
[22:51] <FFVV> [22:49:17] <unop> FFVV, you shouldnt really do that, hows that for a rephrase? :) <-- I need to upload some files to some folders only root has access to, pureftp wont let u login as root.. so what else can i do?
[22:51] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: Well, have fun learning about upstart and dpkg.
[22:51] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: hum, yes that does sound bad. OTOH a user should never have it ignore errors
[22:52] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: Yes, but then most users don't want their machine to not shutdown, either. :/
[22:52] <slipttees> hda intel gutsy ?
[22:52] <grinder> so i just want to update from 5.10 to 7.10 i cant use a image mounter?
[22:52] <thesurvivorman> FFW, did you try running it in the terminal: sudo pureftp?
[22:52] <ryanakca> FFVV: ouch, don't do that. change the group ownership of that directory to say "uploaders", make it group writeable, and add the uploading user to the "uploaders" group
[22:52] <unop> FFVV, modify the permissions on the folder so you have write access in? or add yourself to the same group that the pureftp's user is member of
[22:52] <grinder> like power iso
[22:52] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: And sometimes, not shutting down is the best course of action.
[22:52] <slipttees> ubotu hda intel
[22:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:52] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: Thanks, but before you leave i think you should read http://www.linux.com/articles/57213
[22:52] <slipttees> ubotu hda
[22:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:53] <Administrador> grinder did you try sudo apt-get update in a terminal?
[22:53] <slipttees> ubotu hda_intel
[22:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda_intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:53] <unop> thesurvivorman, i don't thin pureftpd needs to be run as sudo
[22:53] <unop> thibk*
[22:53] <grinder> no
[22:53] <Administrador> grinder then sudo apt-get upgrade in a terminal?
[22:53] <grinder> let me try that
[22:53] <unop> think* arrgh
[22:53] <ryanakca> grinder: The quickest thing is probably to completely reinstall, otherwise you'd have to run 4 seperate upgrades.
[22:53] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: actually, what would be best is if my computer suspended
[22:53] <ryanakca> Administrador: he wants to go from 5.10 to 7.10, not going to work
[22:53] <mac_> hi
[22:53] <grinder> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[22:53] <grinder> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[22:54] <jtravnick> how do i open a folder with root so i can copy files over to it?
[22:54] <grinder>  sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:54] <xb3rt> anybody know the command to open the working terminal directory up in a file browser
[22:54] <ryanakca> grinder: close synaptic / Add/Remove programs
[22:54] <ryanakca> xb3rt: probably "nautilus `pwd`"
[22:54] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: My computer doesn't seem to support suspend (or at least, I don't know how to make it suspend)...
[22:54] <AirBender> xb3rt: nautilus $(pwd)
[22:54] <grinder> Reading package lists... Done
[22:54] <grinder> Building dependency tree... Done
[22:54] <grinder> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:54] <grinder> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[22:54] <grinder> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[22:54] <grinder> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[22:55] <ryanakca> !paste | grinder
[22:55] <ubotu> grinder: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[22:55] <unop> xb3rt, gnome-open $PWD
[22:55] <Kuwanger> sanzanric: But, suspending is an idea.
[22:55] <ryanakca> grinder: Do you have any documents/music/files you want to keep on the computer at the moment?
[22:56] <grinder> no nothing
[22:56] <nael> jtravnick, in a terminal type in sudo nautilus
[22:56] <grinder> i lost everything last night
[22:56] <grinder> so nothing to lose.
[22:56] <jtravnick> nael thanks will write that down
[22:56] <ryanakca> grinder: ok. Then what you should do is completely reinstall, except using the 7.10 CD.  Reboot and follow the instructions from !install. PowerISO will *not* work
[22:58] <grinder> and poweriso is in there
[22:58] <grinder> i double click
[22:58] <grinder> and a open files gui pops up what do i do from there?
[22:58] <grinder> ugh
[22:58] <grinder> ok
[22:58] <applecucumber> install from cd
[22:58] <Administrador> grinder go to a friend house to burn that iso
[22:58] <ryanakca> it doesn't do what you need it to. Please follow the instructions I just gave you..
[22:58] <grinder> time to go upstairs
[22:58] <ryanakca> Administrador: he has a CD burner, he just doesn't want to burn it from the looks of it
[22:58] <grinder> brb
[22:58] <grinder> bbl
[22:59] <Piffer> Any tricks to get Karma to compile on Ubuntu 7.10? (Karma wireless tool)
[22:59] <plotino> hi everyone
[22:59] <Jack_Sparrow> grinder, whatever it is you are trying to say. It will be better understood by others if you keep it on one line
[22:59] <ryanakca> grinder: ok, have fun. Poke me if you have any more issues
[22:59] <xb3rt> Does anyone have some good links for begginer programing in linux?
[22:59] <sanzanric> Kuwanger: yes, hopefully ubuntu devs can someday do that. Personally, the single biggest issue with linux is hw support. If linux could support all my hardware automagically better than windows i wouldn't even think about using windows.
[23:00] <unop> xb3rt, what kind of programming tho?
[23:00] <amenado> xb3rt-> which language?
[23:00]  * sixforty 'd like a few suggestions for good IRC client
[23:00] <efti> hi, can anyone help me figuring out a problem related to realtime scheduling? It's driving me crazy...
[23:00] <Administrador> ryanakca mmm :S
[23:00] <ryanakca> sixforty: irssi if you're more advanced, Konversation under KDE, X-Chat under GNOME
[23:00] <applecucumber> you can use Chatzilla for firefox
[23:00] <xb3rt> unop: amenado: just scripts for the terminal basically
[23:00] <Jack_Sparrow> sanzanric, buy hardware that is supported...
[23:00] <anteaya> is there an app in ubuntu that can play .mov files?
[23:00] <ryanakca> sixforty: irssi is my personal favorite. But that discussion is probably best suited for #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:00] <Mark_G> sanzanric, that is a function of the hardware vendors and thier closed source drivers.  It takes time to reverse engineer them
[23:00] <sanzanric> sixforty: pidgin seems to work fine
[23:01] <unop> xb3rt, tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html
[23:01] <xb3rt> unop: amenado: what would i use to make my own software?
[23:01] <nael> anteaya,  try VLC
[23:01] <efti> I set realtime priority for myself (user efti) in limits.conf, and ulimit tells me that I'm right: real-time priority  (-r) 99
[23:01] <unop> xb3rt, http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html
[23:01] <anteaya> nael: thanks
[23:01] <unop> xb3rt, errm, have you any programming experience?
[23:01] <sanzanric> Jack_Sparrow: NO, build software that works with my hardware
[23:01] <sixforty> sanzanric: how do I get chans in seperate windows? (and thx 2 all)
[23:01] <amenado> xb3rt it depends ... free books  http://tldp.org/guides.html
[23:01] <xb3rt> unop: Vb
[23:01] <Jack_Sparrow> sanzanric, that isnt how it works.. do you have a support question.
[23:02] <salah> Any good FTP applications for Ubuntu?
[23:02] <unop> xb3rt, you'll probably like programming in mono -- its like c#
[23:02] <efti> but then I do 'chrt -f 99 bash' and get permission denied
[23:02] <efti> it works as root, but not as 'efti'
[23:02] <amenado> xb3rt software to do what for you?
[23:02] <nael> xb3rt, http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2007/09/05/68-linux-related-free-e-books/
[23:02] <nyarly_> salah, lftp
[23:02] <LukeL_> sixforty try dragging it out of the tabbed window
[23:02] <nagappan> salah, I tried http://filezilla-project.org/ its working great for me
[23:02] <xb3rt> amenado: i just want something to play around with
[23:03] <salah> nyarly_, does it have GUI?
[23:03] <salah> nagappan, thanks, i'll take a look
[23:03] <nyarly_> salah, nope cli
[23:03] <sanzanric> Jack_Sparrow: No i don't have a support question, but you see the only way to get users is to make Software that supports the Users Hardware
[23:03] <nagappan> salah, sure
[23:03] <thesurvivorman> I second filezilla
[23:03] <Jack_Sparrow> sanzanric, then please take your discussion to the offtopic room   thanks
[23:04] <nyarly_> salah, filezilla is nice
[23:04] <grinder> talked to a linux guru onthe phone
[23:04] <grinder> he said for me to use isobuster.
[23:04] <grinder> a linux program
[23:04] <sanzanric> SixForty: i think you can pull off the tabs to make new windows
[23:04] <unop> xb3rt, i'd say get acquainted with mono first - and then pick up on doing the more mundane stuff
[23:04] <amenado> xb3rt thats pretty broad, if you want sys admin functionality, use bash or python,  python has similarities to vb in terms of object oriented
[23:05] <sixforty> ah! thx
[23:05] <byte_slave> everytime a change some hardware piece such as a NIC, graphic card, Memory show i recompile kernel?
[23:05] <byte_slave> *should
[23:05] <grinder> can i run the iso from my external hdd?
[23:05] <mobodo> allo
[23:06] <amenado> grinder-> do you currently have linux installed? which version and distro?
[23:06] <unop> !iso | grinder
[23:06] <ubotu> grinder: To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[23:06] <LukeL_> grinder the iso must be run from a cd or dvd as the computer boots in order to install ubuntu
[23:06] <grinder> 5.10 want to goto 7.10
[23:06] <unop> byte_slave, that shouldnt be necessary as long as you can load modules for the various hardware
[23:07] <amenado> grinder ahh i got a solution for you.. you can make a copy of that liveCD iso unto a hd and boot it from hd..
[23:07] <Guilo> hi
[23:07] <Guilo> are you able to reach www.google.com
[23:07] <grinder> ok
[23:07] <grinder> u have msn or anything?
[23:07] <amenado> grinder then you can add entries to your current menu.lst to point to your  copy of livecd in the hd
[23:08] <grinder> or pm me please
[23:08] <f0rmat> hello does anyone know of an encryption toll in ubuntu that is capable of encrypting the whole Hard drive but obviously be able to boot up i had one in windows that had a special password protected boot loader that encrypted the whole hard drive.
[23:08] <Guilo> google seems down
[23:08] <amenado> grinder nope, do it here on the main
[23:08] <LjL> Guilo: it's not, check your connection
[23:08] <grinder> ugh ok.
[23:08] <thesurvivorman> google is up
[23:08] <byte_slave> unop, the "load modules"" should be automaticaaly or should i do something?
[23:08] <applecucumber> google is up
[23:08] <killshot> I like my grinder toasted...you?
[23:08] <nyarly_> f0rmat, truecrypt
[23:08] <killshot> heh
[23:08] <grinder> grilled
[23:08] <killshot> grilled?
[23:08] <killshot> blah!
[23:08] <f0rmat> thankyou nyarly_
[23:08] <grinder> lol
[23:09] <killshot> grilled...that's a panni
[23:09] <amenado> grinder take notes...which iso do you have?  alternate or the livecd 7.10 ?
[23:09] <thesurvivorman> or you could just request an install disk from ubuntu, or wait for the next version out next month.
[23:09] <unop> byte_slave, it's standard - why are you recompiling the kernel anyway?
[23:09] <grinder> i dl it
[23:09] <grinder> i have 5.10
[23:09] <grinder> right now
[23:09] <killshot> grinder: you need to burn an iso?
[23:09] <grinder> well thats the problem
[23:09] <grinder> i just installed it.
[23:09] <grinder> cuz im tired of windows.
[23:09] <grinder> and none of my drivers work
[23:09] <amenado> grinder ahh, so you have 5.10 installed? very good
[23:09] <killshot> ahh
[23:09] <grinder> being im on a alienware 7500
[23:10] <grinder> yes
[23:10] <grinder> im on 5.10
[23:10] <brett_h> where would I find the post-config script for a package I installed thru apt?
[23:10] <grinder> wanting to update to 7.10
[23:10] <killshot> I haven't ran linux since slackware...Ubuntu is a breeze compared to slack
[23:10] <Piffer> when installing linux-headers, the uname -r, do I enter that, or do I replace uname with something else?
[23:10] <applecucumber> grinder, were you able to download the 7.10 iso, and burn it to a cd?
[23:10] <grinder> ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
[23:10] <amenado> grinder you must download the 7.10 iso, dont go through the upgrade process...too many steps..
[23:10] <grinder> no
[23:10] <grinder> i cant burn to a cd
[23:10] <grinder> is what is dl
[23:10] <applecucumber> do you have a cd burner?
[23:11] <grinder> and on my desktop
[23:11] <killshot> ahh...you're cd drivers are dead, right?
[23:11] <grinder> idk
[23:11] <grinder> it read my cd rom
[23:11] <grinder> and has all my alienware drivers on it.
[23:11] <grinder> i feel like sucha noob again
[23:11] <killshot> ok I have a free iso burner app if you want it
[23:11] <grinder> im a IT tech to :(
[23:11] <unop> brett_h, post-install script you mean?
[23:11] <applecucumber> does your cd drive have cd r+w?
[23:11] <grinder> yes
[23:11] <brett_h> unop: yeah, sorry
[23:11] <grinder> its a dvd burner
[23:11] <amenado> ehem.. no need to burn the iso to a cd, one can boot from an existing linux..making a copy of the iso into an ext2 partition or fat16
[23:11] <brett_h> unop: like whatever would initialize a cluster for postgres, etc
[23:12] <applecucumber> and it wont burn the iso to cd?
[23:12] <byte_slave> unop, i'm newbie i didn't know if i should or not recompile it. And how about a major hardware change, such as a motherboard ? what should i do, because linux won't start in a good manel, lots of problems with irqs
[23:12] <slipttees> http://www.photoshop.com/express
[23:12] <grinder> i can try
[23:12] <grinder> let me go get blank cd
[23:12] <applecucumber> try burning iso to cd.. see if it works
[23:12] <unop> brett_h, /var/lib/dpkg/info
[23:12] <brett_h> unop: thanks
[23:12] <thesurvivorman> worst case grinder, you can get free disks shipped to you here: https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[23:12] <amenado> applecucumber-> there are ways to boot an iso from a hard disk, assuming ones has an existing linux working..
[23:13] <applecucumber> cool
[23:13] <unop> byte_slave, if you've just changed a motherboard, you could probably just reinstall the kernel package from within a liveCD
[23:13] <marx2k> worst case, download DSL, put it on a 2 gig USB drive, boot into it and use it to burn the ISO :D
[23:13] <grinder> kk
[23:13] <grinder> igot blank cd
[23:13] <byte_slave> unop, and the whole already setup system stills working? apache, mysql, etc?
[23:14] <maurocesar> nada nenhum sonzinho sequer
[23:14] <grinder> i have to open the cd with terminal eject command
[23:14] <RandoCal> Is there a way to make the side thumb button on my mouse into a "back" button in firefox?
[23:14] <byte_slave> olha um tuga :P
[23:14] <grinder> burn data cd
[23:15] <grinder> ??
[23:15] <nael> yes
[23:15] <grinder> kk
[23:15] <grinder> then
[23:15] <grinder> right click
[23:15] <grinder> write to disk?
[23:15] <applecucumber> wait it should be burn iso image
[23:15] <grinder> kk
[23:15] <grinder> ill back out
[23:16] <applecucumber> wait heres a website https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[23:16] <iApplehein> can somebody tell me if apache on my iPod touch at http://macbook.gotdns.org:82 works?
[23:16] <grinder> ok
[23:16] <andresj> "qdbuscpp2xml" is broken by the rename of moc to moc-qt4...
[23:16] <marx2k> isnt there a dd command to burn an ISO?
[23:16] <grinder> 4 options burn audio photo and data
[23:17] <cptR3D> can someone help me with mounting a usb harddrive that has ntfs on it?
[23:17] <Piffer> doh! didn't realize that uname -r is a command that gives me the version I'm using :-)  Learning learning
[23:17] <grinder> ok
[23:17] <unop__> byte_slave, the second part to this tutorial should help you - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1308395&postcount=1
[23:17] <grinder> ok so i need to use theinfra recorder?
[23:17] <rausb0> Piffer: cat /proc/version gives you even more
[23:17] <grinder> the infra*
[23:18] <marx2k> Couldnt you just do like dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso bs=1024
[23:18] <applecucumber> no  i dont think so.. go down to linux section
[23:18] <marx2k> oops.. reverse the if and of
[23:18] <applecucumber> ubuntu section
[23:18] <grinder> ok
[23:18] <grinder> i see the in ubuntu
[23:18] <grinder> area
[23:18] <amenado> marx2k-> try it and see if it works for you
[23:18] <Alen> where i can to register new package for ubuntu repositories ?
[23:19] <grinder> ok
[23:19] <marx2k> dd of=file.iso if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso <-- should do it, no?
[23:19] <grinder> so i was right
[23:19] <grinder> drag into disk
[23:19] <grinder> and right click write to disk
[23:19] <marx2k> remove the last of, of course...
[23:19] <brett_h> unop: my postgresql instill didn't initialize the cluster or configs (/etc/postgresql or /var/lib/postgresql) ... I don't see any of that in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/postg* files either ... any idea where that would be?
[23:19] <grinder> ugh i love this
[23:19] <rausb0> marx2k: no. dd cannot burn cds.
[23:19] <amenado> marx2k-> nope, that only creates a file
[23:19] <FFVV> can anyone help me with ident, do i need an ident daemon, what one do i get?
[23:19] <marx2k> Hmmmm
[23:19] <amenado> marx2k-> try it and see if it works for you..if you are in doubt
[23:19] <marx2k> I know I've used floppy image files to create DOS bootable disks by using dd in the same way
[23:19] <Kaja> FFVV, oidentd is cool
[23:20] <grinder> thank you
[23:20] <rausb0> marx2k: if you want to burn a cd on command line, use wodim
[23:20] <grinder> i love youall
[23:20] <marx2k> rausb0: not me, amenado
[23:20] <applecucumber> now reboot your computer on the cd.. see if it works
[23:20] <amenado> marx2k ah come on, to satisfy your curiosity.. :)
[23:20] <grinder> wooo wooo wooo
[23:21] <grinder> do i want to do create from image
[23:21] <grinder> or create with file?
[23:21] <grinder> hemm....
[23:21] <applecucumber> create what?
[23:21] <FFVV> [23:20:00] <Kaja> FFVV, oidentd is cool < where can i get it? :)
[23:22] <grinder> i did what that page told me to
[23:22] <grinder> now its asking
[23:22] <grinder> create from image
[23:22] <grinder> cancel
[23:22] <grinder> and create with file
[23:22] <FloodBot2> grinder: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:22] <Kaja> FFVV, sudo apt-get install oidentd
[23:22] <FFVV> ok thx
[23:22] <applecucumber> did the iso burn to cd? and now its asking create from image or file?
[23:23] <grinder> no im still on that stage. i draged the image iso file onto the disk and pressed write to disk and this option came up.
[23:24] <thesurvivorman> you need to burn it from image
[23:24] <grinder> create disk containing a single disk image file? it appears that the dis when created will contain a single disk image file do you want to continue and write it to the disk as a file?
[23:24] <brett_h> how do I tell a package to run it's install scripts as if it were just installed?
[23:24] <applecucumber> yes image
[23:24] <grinder> and the options are Create From Image, Cancel, Create With File
[23:24] <applecucumber> create from image
[23:24] <grinder> i got a error
[23:25] <grinder> no such file or directory
[23:25] <iApplehein> does http://macbook.gotdns.org:82 work ?
[23:25] <grinder> the file ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso is not a valid disk image
[23:25] <applecucumber> did you right click on the .iso you downloaded, and choose write to disc?
[23:25] <thesurvivorman> yep, it works
[23:25] <grinder> yesh
[23:25] <Mark_G> grinder are you in ubuntu trying to create a bootable cd from an iso image?   if so you might consider installing k3b from synaptic and use that .. it's much more intuitive with a simple menu structure.
[23:26] <grinder> psh
[23:26] <iApplehein> tnx
[23:26] <grinder> i cant even install java runtime on ubuntu
[23:26] <Mark_G> yet
[23:26] <grinder> muhahahaha
[23:27] <grinder> Oo.
[23:27] <thesurvivorman> which program are you using grinder?
[23:27] <grinder> i guess it is on there.
[23:27] <grinder> not using any program,
[23:27] <grinder> just bashing my head on my wall
[23:27] <thesurvivorman> do you have gnomebaker?
[23:28] <thesurvivorman> i know you're on 5.10, and I'm not sure which program was the default.
[23:28] <grinder> who survivorman?
[23:28] <nael> I think he has serpentine
[23:28] <nael> maybe
[23:28] <grinder> if i could tell u i would lol
[23:28] <grinder> but i dont know how...
[23:28] <thesurvivorman> ah, okay... that might be.
[23:28] <thesurvivorman> can you try to run gnomebaker in the terminal?
[23:29] <grinder> yeah
[23:29] <grinder> whats the command?
[23:29] <thesurvivorman> gnomebaker
[23:29] <grinder> command not found
[23:29] <thesurvivorman> if not, can you install it with sudo apt-get install gnomebaker
[23:29] <nyarly_> sudo apt-get install gnomebaker
[23:29] <grinder> yeah
[23:30] <FFVV> I tried to load a process from a user account I made but it gives permission denied, whats the command to give it the privelage to start processes>
[23:30] <grinder> gonna get introuble for flooding
[23:30] <grinder> but here
[23:30] <grinder> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[23:30] <grinder> opps
[23:30] <grinder> Reading package lists... Done
[23:30] <grinder> Building dependency tree... Done
[23:30] <grinder> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[23:30] <grinder> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[23:30] <FloodBot2> grinder: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:30] <grinder> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[23:30] <grinder> did u get that?
[23:30] <applecucumber> heres a website using command line to burn the iso to cd https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvdBurning
[23:30] <grinder> or did it block it
[23:31] <grinder> it shows the file on the disk
[23:31] <grinder> but im not sure it will work
[23:31] <jmd1> the gnome system monitor and the free command do not report the same usage of memory - why would that be?
[23:31] <grinder> ahh
[23:31] <Scunizi> grinder, if it shows the file on the cd it won't boot to it.. :(
[23:32] <grinder> i got it to write
[23:32] <grinder> preparing to write cd
[23:32] <amenado> grinder whats the size of that iso file?
[23:32] <grinder> iright clicked from my desktop
[23:32] <grinder> 659 megs
[23:32] <grinder> 695**
[23:32] <amenado> grinder do an ls -la  and get me the exact size please
[23:32] <grinder> writing image now
[23:33] <bmharsha> How can I change my DNS address in
[23:33] <bmharsha> Ubuntu?
[23:33] <LjL> grinder, kindly consider not spamming?
[23:33] <grinder> ok
[23:33] <grinder> a whole list came up
[23:33] <georgy_28> bmharsha, : /etc/resolv.conf ?
[23:33] <grinder> in terminal
[23:33] <Scunizi> !enter | grinder
[23:33] <ubotu> grinder: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[23:33] <abo> everytime I want to watch a movie on facebook it says that detected flash version is 9.0.0 and minimun version is 9.0.47
[23:34] <abo> is there a way to update flash version on ubuntu?
[23:34] <grinder> yes
[23:34] <grinder> goto the flash website
[23:34] <grinder> and dl it.
[23:34] <grinder> i did it a bit ago.
[23:34] <grinder> for firefox
[23:34] <abo> grinder, and after downloading?
[23:34] <jmd1> I have answered my own question - I was incorrectly interpreting the result of the free command, since the kernel is caching disk blocks in memory
[23:34] <ader10_> Is there a way to change the x resolution from a terminal
[23:34] <grinder> it did it on its own
[23:34] <geirha> ader10_: xrandr
[23:35] <grinder> Ok so what info did u want from the ls -la command?
[23:35] <applecucumber> size of iso
[23:35] <nael> why does grinder get all this special treatment, are there not enough install guides out there?
[23:35] <grinder> eh sorry
[23:35] <fismoll8> hey guys, I've been trying to import the desktop settings on my primary ubuntu box onto a secondary ubuntu box. I copied /home/david from the primary computer to the secondary (where the only user is david); furthermore, all my permissions and owners are correct and match up. However, the secondary box still boots the default desktop.   I finally figured out a way to get virtualbox to see my gzipped file as if they were not gzipped. :)
[23:36] <grinder> 695.8 MB
[23:36] <xb3rt> whats the command to change the name of the command prompt
[23:37] <nael> amenado, Im fine thanks but fair is fair you know.
[23:37] <abo> grinder, how can I tell the installation directory of firefox?
[23:37] <ader10_> geirha: How would I change :0 to 1152x864, 60 hz? The man page isn't descriptive
[23:37] <amenado> xb3rt-> its an environment variable.. PS1
[23:37] <amenado> nael-> you wanted help?
[23:37] <ichat> Kuwanger:  -  ??????
[23:37] <pharoh> hey,i jus installed compiz-fusion on my ubuntu 7.10.thing is my cube,or at least what its supposed to be,is not a cube,its like a pagehow do i get a cube?
[23:38] <ichat> meaning you  have your virtual diks gziped?
[23:38] <Positronic> pharoh: increase your virtual desktops to 4
[23:38] <Kuwanger> ichat: What?
[23:38] <Positronic> Right now it is set as 2 (default)
[23:38] <TheKiNGMike> How do you kill a process via terminal.
[23:38] <nael> amenado, I did but I am ok now.
[23:38] <geirha> ader10_: I should think: xrandr -s 1152x864 -r 60
[23:38] <pharoh> Positronic:how do i do that?
[23:38] <ader10_> geirha: Thank you.
[23:38] <ichat> meaning you  have your virtual diks gziped? - << Kuwanger  <
[23:38] <Kuwanger> ichat: No, no.  Although I probably could do that.
[23:38] <Starnestommy> TheKiNGMike: the 'kill' command
[23:38] <applecucumber> to kill process, type top, then press k, and enter the number
[23:38] <TheKiNGMike> ry
[23:38] <TheKiNGMike> *ty
[23:38] <amenado> nael okay, then you can assist someone else.
[23:38] <ichat> than what DID you gzip>
[23:38] <applecucumber> of the process
[23:38] <Positronic> pharoh: You should see the desktop manager in the bottom right corner of your screen (it will look like 2 orange squares).  Right click, choose preferences, and change to "4" (no quotes
[23:39] <nael> I have, and I will help anyone I can
[23:39] <Kuwanger> ichat: I have a directory full of gzipped files, becase zlibc can be used as a library preload under linux to access gzipped as non-gzipped files.
[23:39] <ader10_> geirha: It works, but it sends me to the login screen. When I log in, the resolution is automatically reset too high again
[23:39] <pharoh> Positronic:whoa!!!!cool.
[23:39] <Positronic> :)
[23:39] <amenado> nael cool, and nice
[23:40] <Positronic> If you like, you can experiment and change it to other numbers
[23:40] <ader10_> geirha: Is there a way I can do it and keep my current gnome session?
[23:40] <abo> anyone knows what is the installation directory of firefox?
[23:40] <Kuwanger> ichat: With wine, it's as easy as "LD_PRELOAD=uncompress.so wine <some program>".  But, "LD_PRELOAD=uncompress.so virtualbox" won't work.
[23:40] <pharoh> whoa..even better!
[23:40] <ichat> Kuwanger:  -  how do they relate to virtuabox ??? than -
[23:41] <geirha> ader10_: system -> preferences -> resolution, you should be able to set the default resolution there. Alternatively, you can remove the modes that are too high from xorg.conf
[23:41] <Kuwanger> ichat: However, "LD_PRELOAD=uncompress.so rofs dir_full_of_gzips dir_full_of_ungzipped_files" then using the second dir...
[23:41] <ader10_> geirha: No, I did system>pref>resolution and accidentally set it too high, I have no gui right now
[23:41] <ichat> niceeeee
[23:41] <nael> amenado, Ubuntu has been very kind to me over all I want to give what I can back
[23:42] <Kuwanger> ichat: Virtualbox is one of the few apps that seems to use system calls instead of library calls that zlibc can override.
[23:42] <nael> abo, /etc/firefox I think thts it
[23:42] <pharoh> Positronic:how do i get my ubuntu to play video and mp3?
[23:42] <abo> thanks nael
[23:42] <geirha> ader10_: Log in to a console (CTRL+ALT+F1) and run:  DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s...
[23:42] <Positronic> For an easy way to install codecs and plugins you may consider using Automatix2
[23:42] <Kuwanger> ichat: So, I tricked a fuse filesystem to decompress files for me so even system-call running apps works.
[23:42] <nael> abo, your welcome
[23:43] <geirha> ader10_: then go back with CTRL+ALT+F7 or 8 or 9 or whichever console your X is running on
[23:43] <ader10_> geirha: I tried something similar but not the exact same thing. Hold on one minute.
[23:43] <backtracker> hi how do I install with CPan this =>> WWW::Mechanize
[23:43] <Positronic> pharoh: Type: sudo apt-get install automatix2
[23:43] <Positronic> In terminal
[23:43] <Positronic> And then access it in Applicans > System Tools > Automatix
[23:43] <ader10_> geirha: just fyi I'm already in virtual terminal f1 on irssi :)
[23:43] <amenado> !automatix
[23:43] <ubotu> Automatix is no longer developed or supported by its creators and is not recommended, supported or needed by Ubuntu. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[23:44] <ichat> that can sirriously trim down the size of your virtualbox  v-disks  :P
[23:44] <Hamled> Sometimes when I boot fsck says that my root partition was not cleanly unmounted, even though I restarted/shut down with the normal way in gnome, what logs should I look at to see what could be causing that?
[23:44] <Kuwanger> ichat: Yea..that could..but that's pretty crazy. :)
[23:44] <pharoh> ubotu:so wat do u suugest i do?
[23:45] <ichat> true
[23:45] <SilverDawn> Whats the configuration app for compiz
[23:45] <Kuwanger> ichat: You'd be better off using one of the fuse filesystem tools that offers a custom compression to allow at least some semblance of random access.
[23:45] <ichat> hahahahha
[23:45] <REDLiNE> can you install psybnc on ubuntu?
[23:45] <pharoh> amenado:so wat player can i use?
[23:45] <Kuwanger> ichat: Far as I'm aware, at least a few use a form of block compression.
[23:46] <grinder> it is completed
[23:46] <grinder> ok
[23:46] <REDLiNE> .....
[23:46] <grinder> so just restart my pc
[23:46] <grinder> and it should install it?
[23:46] <Starnestommy> REDLiNE: you might need to build it from source if it isn't in the repositiories
[23:46] <esd_vm_> how can load the script to show my hardware/os?
[23:46] <amenado> pharoh-> i dont know, im just pointing out that usage of automatix may get your system unstable and unsupported
[23:46] <REDLiNE> Starnestommy how can i tell if it is?
[23:46] <Starnestommy> REDLiNE: aptitude search psybnc
[23:47] <REDLiNE> :~/psybnc$ ./configure
[23:47] <amenado> esd_vm-> you wrote your own? just execute it then
[23:47] <grinder> ok
[23:47] <ichat> maybe beter to minimize disk needance instead of  max the crompression :P
[23:47] <grinder> hemm
[23:47] <REDLiNE> -bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[23:47] <grinder> so i had this problem
[23:47] <esd_vm_> nah i want the default
[23:47] <REDLiNE> thats what i get
[23:47] <grinder> when i was installing
[23:47] <ader10_> geirha: :( Every time I run that command and log in again the resolution gets reset back to the bad resolution
[23:47] <grinder> the acpi=off
[23:47] <FloodBot2> grinder: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:47] <grinder> i had to run that
[23:47] <pharoh> amenado:what do you use,i just wanna be able to play video and mp3,i don't care what player  it is lond as its stable
[23:47] <Starnestommy> REDLiNE: could you please pastebin the output of "ls ~/psybnc"?
[23:47] <Kuwanger> ichat: Btw, the directory in question has 738MB worth of gzip files.  That's why I didn't just decompress them.
[23:47] <amenado> esd_vm-> several tools, lshw lspci lsusb
[23:47] <grinder> apple u still around?
[23:47] <applecucumber> ya
[23:47] <johnny2008> does a fresh install of ubuntu have a firewall already installed?
[23:47] <grinder> ok
[23:47] <amenado> pharoh-> i dont have sound so i cant say mine works
[23:48] <ichat> Yikes
[23:48] <geirha> ader10_: yes, but after changing the res with xrandr, are you not able to go to system-prefs-resolution to set it to a better value?
[23:48] <REDLiNE> its one line
[23:48] <grinder> when i was installing yesterday
[23:48] <grinder> i had a problem that was acpi
[23:48] <pharoh> amenado:ahh.ok
[23:48] <REDLiNE> Starnestommy: -bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[23:48] <eriktdebi> is ubuntu based on windows?
[23:48] <esd_vm_> amenado that default that os/cpu/mem etc,,
[23:48] <grinder> = off
[23:48] <grinder> no ubuntu is based on linux
[23:48] <Starnestommy> REDLiNE: what files are in ~/psybnc?
[23:48] <evan_> how do i start the widget factory?
[23:48] <bazhang> pharoh: ubuntu-restricted-extras for a start; automatix is a huge mistake
[23:48] <ader10_> geirha: I get the graphical login prompt, but as soon as it starts logging in, the resolution is set back to the very high one that my monitor won't display
[23:48] <REDLiNE> Starnestommy the ones that you get off the site
[23:48] <pharoh> bazhang:how about vlc?
[23:48] <eriktdebi> i heard windows is more secure than ubuntu
[23:48] <johnny2008> a website says: Iptables is a firewall, installed by default on all official Ubuntu distributions (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu). When you install Ubuntu, iptables is there, but it allows all traffic by default..   Whats that mean?
[23:48] <ader10_> geirha: I can't see anything on it, I just have to pop back to the f2 virtual terminal
[23:49] <geirha> ader10_: when that happens, you go to a console and run DISPLAY=:0 xrandr again
[23:49] <grinder> windows = garabage
[23:49] <nael> eriktdebi, Ubuntu is based on Linux whis is simmilar to UNIX. It has absolutly nothing to do with windows
[23:49] <jaffarkelshac> can i adjust my lcd brightness in terminal, i have been asking for a while and nothing so far
[23:49] <geirha> ader10_: then when you pop back, you should be able to navigate
[23:49] <propdude2000> !ubuntu > eriktdebi
[23:49] <grinder> what is acpi apple?
[23:49] <bazhang> pharoh: vlc is fine, but you still need the codecs; perhaps also add win32codecs from medibuntu
[23:49] <eriktdebi> i see
[23:49] <jaffarkelshac> firefox in gutsy keeps freezing on dailymotion and youtbe
[23:49] <pharoh> bazhang:can you give me the link?
[23:50] <applecucumber> http://www.acpi.info has info about acpi
[23:50] <ader10_> geirha: It doesn't work
[23:50] <grinder> kk
[23:50] <grinder> thanks
[23:50] <Starnestommy> REDLiNE: the readme file says to run "make menuconfig" then "make"
[23:50] <grinder> gonna run reinstall
[23:50] <grinder> bbl
[23:50] <grinder> <3 <3
[23:50] <Boohbah> jaffarkelshac: perhaps you need a flash player
[23:50] <thesurvivorman> vlc can play them but has an awkward interface for mp3s. rhythmbox is a good player. and as said before, ubuntu-restricted-drivers will fix your problems with codecs.
[23:50] <grinder> how to shut down linux?
[23:50] <grinder> ubuntu
[23:50] <jaffarkelshac> thats not it
[23:50] <geirha> ader10_: hm, then your best bet is probably editing your xorg.conf
[23:50] <jaffarkelshac> it freeses whilst watching
[23:50] <Kuwanger> johnny2008: What it sounds like?
[23:51] <bazhang> pharoh sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras  then go to www.medibuntu.org for instructions on how to install libdvdcss2 and win32codecs
[23:51] <jaffarkelshac> will try opera
[23:51] <ader10_> I'll renamee it for now and hope xorg 7.3 comes in handy
[23:51] <m0u5e> grinder: you could always type sudo shutdown... if the shutdown button doesnt work
[23:51] <thesurvivorman> you don't need win32codecs if you install the restricted drivers do you?
[23:51] <Joeb454> m0u5e, grinder: to shutdown entirely use sudo shutdown -P now
[23:51] <Kuwanger> johnny2008: iptables is the kernel firewall.  It can be compiled built-in or as a module.  Most distros include it as a module, installed by default.  Some will include some default rules.  Ubuntu doesn't include any.
[23:51] <techqbert> hey guys I entered this command, " PATH="/usr/pkg/sbin:$PATH"
[23:51] <techqbert> "  how do I undo this?
[23:52] <Joeb454> that will shutdown the PC straight awawy
[23:52] <Joeb454> away*
[23:52] <thesurvivorman> the restriced drivers includes those codecs i believe.
[23:52] <geirha> ader10_: if you find the vertical and horizontal sync rates for the monitor, and put them in xorg.conf, you shouldn't be able to set an invalid mode
[23:52] <bazhang> thesurvivorman: never know; sometimes do
[23:52] <applecucumber> no, i installed the restricted codecs using synaptic.. works fine
[23:52] <xb3rt> how would i make an alias for a root command that automatically entered the password after the command was issued
[23:52] <nickrud> techqbert the easiest is close that terminal and open another
[23:52] <ader10_> geirha: Thank god for bulletproof X, deleting xorg.conf worked
[23:52] <Kuwanger> xb3rt: Could you give an example of what you mean?
[23:53] <geirha> ader10_: hehe, yeah. It autodetects the config. /var/log/Xorg.0.log will contain the xorg.conf it uses now
[23:53] <thesurvivorman> i just installed a fresh copy of ubuntu a few days ago after testing mandriva, and the restricted drivers does the job.
[23:53] <xb3rt> Kuwanger:I just made an alias for 'sudo apt-get update'  although I still have to type my password
[23:53] <techqbert> nickrud: so PATH is temporary?
[23:53] <Kuwanger> xb3rt: Um, of course.
[23:53] <ader10_> geirha: Thank you, that's very helpful to know! It's fixed now :)
[23:53] <nickrud> thesurvivorman extras doesn't include w32codecs, but other ways to run that media
[23:53] <jaffarkelshac> xb3rt, how do you do that the alias think
[23:54] <ader10_> Again, thanks! Bye.
[23:54] <xb3rt> jaffarkelshac: type alias example=example command
[23:54] <nickrud> techqbert yes, if you alter the path in a terminal.
[23:54] <jaffarkelshac> xb3rt, cool
[23:54] <Kuwanger> xb3rt: What's the problem with that, exactly?
[23:54] <pharoh> bazhang:theh command you gave me,its returning an error sayin E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:54] <thesurvivorman> thanks nickrud! oh, and pharoh, if you have all the repos enabled, you can get libdvdcss2 by sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[23:54] <nickrud> techqbert bash comes with no path, then reads /etc/environment to get a path
[23:54] <slipttees> There is a command in ubuntu to remove all the programs that are not in ubuntu-desktop?
[23:55] <amenado> esd_vm-> what do you meant default?
[23:55] <xb3rt> Kuwanger: with what entering the password?
[23:55] <bazhang> pharoh: then enable the repos in synaptic hit refresh and then try again
[23:55] <thesurvivorman> you need to enable the repos. gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:55] <nickrud> thesurvivorman no, he can only do that if he adds medibuntu as a repo
[23:55] <Kuwanger> xb3rt: Yea.
[23:55] <amenado> sliptees no, you dont want to remove everything that is not show on the desktop
[23:55] <xb3rt> Nothing, just wondered if it was possible
[23:55] <thesurvivorman> nickrud, is that one of the restricted repos in sources.list?
[23:55] <nickrud> thesurvivorman no, it's a third party repo, at medibuntu.org
[23:56] <Kuwanger> xb3rt: If you're asking if it's possible to run a command as root without entering a password, the answer is yes.
[23:56] <Kuwanger> xb3rt: Generally it's a bad idea, though.
[23:56] <thesurvivorman> ah, well I can install all of those without adding the medibuntu repo.
[23:56] <xb3rt> yea, it defeats the purpose of root security
[23:56] <nickrud> !gutsysources | thesurvivorman (this is a simpler method to enable useful sources from ubuntu)
[23:56] <ubotu> thesurvivorman (this is a simpler method to enable useful sources from ubuntu): gutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).
[23:56] <slipttees> Have any command in ubuntu, which remove all  programs that aren't in ubuntu-desktop archive ?
[23:56] <nickrud> slipttees no
[23:57] <Kuwanger> xb3rt: So, I guess I'm curious, why do you want to defeat root security?
[23:57] <slipttees> :'-(
[23:57] <xb3rt> Kuwanger: In my effort towards world domination
[23:57] <zylstra555> Hello. How do I run a disk check in Ubuntu? I dont have any desktop environment, only the terminal.
[23:57] <thesurvivorman> thanks nickrud. I've always just uncommented all of the repos in sources.list. Same difference I guess.
[23:57] <johnny2008> would you agree with this:  the firewall is actually called Netfilter, and it lives in the kernel. iptables is just a text-based application to view and update the Netfilter configuration. Firestarter, Guarddog, etc., could very well manipulate the Netfilter configuration directly as well, without using iptables. ?
[23:57] <slipttees> nickrud: gambiarras ?
[23:57] <Kuwanger> xb3rt: I see.  Well, if you're that curious, try "man visudo".
[23:57] <nickrud> thesurvivorman yup :) So did I but dang this is easy ;)
[23:58] <nickrud> slipttees ??
[23:58] <xb3rt> Kuwanger: I just made an alias for my update command to cut down on typing but then i had to type out the password, so i was wondering if I could fix that
[23:58] <nickrud> zylstra555 on an _unmounted_ partition, sudo fsck /dev/<device>
[23:58] <slipttees> nickrud: Patch
[23:59] <zylstra555> nickrud: Hello again. Its mounted. Is it possible to have it scan right before the OS boots?
[23:59] <pharoh> bazhang:it worked...working actually:)
[23:59] <Kuwanger> xb3rt: Then it's merely a matter of making a script that runs "apt-get update", make it so only root can modify it (placing it in /usr/local/bin, for example, and make it owned by root with permission 700, for example), and altering visudo to not require a password to run the script for certain users (or all users).
[23:59] <bazhang> pharoh: nicely done ;]
[23:59] <nickrud> zylstra555 yes,   sudo touch /forcefsck  will force a disk check


[08:17] <evand> superm1|away: noted
[15:57] <pmatulis> cjwatson: is it possible to specify the order in which block devices are initialized upon bootup (specifically in the context of kickstart)?  say in terms of a SATA drive and a USB card reader
[15:57] <pmatulis> cjwatson: trying to have the SATA always be /dev/sda
[15:59] <cjwatson> no
[15:59] <cjwatson> you just have to identify it at run-time
[15:59] <pmatulis> darn
[16:01]  * evand hates to be on a UUID kick, however peharps partman-auto/disk (and by extension kickstart) should support UUIDs.
[16:02] <cjwatson> disks don't have UUIDs do they? just filesystems
[16:02] <evand> err right
[16:02] <evand> yikes, whoops.
[21:03] <kirkland> cjwatson: the encrypted-private mount passphrase debconf explanation is *one* line too long, such that the actual prompt is off screen and the user would have to scroll
[21:04] <kirkland> cjwatson: i just made a minimally invasive change to shorten it by one line, pushed to a bzr branch
[21:05] <kirkland> cjwatson: lp:~kirkland/user-setup/user-setup.shorten_dialog
[21:36] <cjwatson> kirkland: interesting, I don't think it scrolled for me. I'll merge your patch though, thanks
[21:37] <kirkland> cjwatson: there's a second one in there too
[21:37] <kirkland> cjwatson: regarding the dialog that prints the mount passphrase after-the-fact
[21:37] <kirkland> cjwatson: minor readability suggestion on my part
[21:37] <kirkland> cjwatson: it required scrolling in my kvm
[21:37] <kirkland> cjwatson: might be a wrinkle for kvm's
[21:40] <cjwatson> I haven't merged any translations yet, so it's easy to change text
[21:42] <CIA-45> user-setup: cjwatson * r113 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog user-setup-udeb.templates):
[21:42] <CIA-45> user-setup: Adjust encrypted private directory templates for readability and so that
[21:42] <CIA-45> user-setup: the initial question fits on the screen.
[21:42] <cjwatson> (that's the merge)
[21:44] <CIA-45> user-setup: cjwatson * r114 ubuntu/debian/po/ (60 files): debconf-updatepo
[21:46] <CIA-45> user-setup: cjwatson * r115 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.20ubuntu6