[04:56] <jro> a
[16:00] <cjwatson> good afternoon
[16:01] <Keybuk> cjwatson: hey
[16:01] <mvo> hello
[16:01] <liw> hi
[16:01] <james_w> hello
[16:02] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is cjwatson.
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[16:02] <cjwatson> doko said he was unlikely to be able to make it
[16:03] <doko> back and still living =)
[16:03] <cjwatson> oh good
[16:03] <liw> TheMuso is probably asleep; we discussed the possiblity of a meeting and came to the conclusion there wouldn't be one
[16:03] <cjwatson> ah, I was too late, sorry
[16:04] <cjwatson> so missing evand and vorlon (presumably vorlon is asleep too if he was in that conversation)
[16:04]  * cjwatson prods Evan elsewhere
[16:04] <liw> no, just me and TheMuso
[16:04] <slangasek> hmm, didn't I see an email from robbiew saying the meeting was cancelled?
[16:04] <liw> slangasek, I got one from Google Calendar
[16:04] <evand> Sorry, lost track of time.
[16:04] <cjwatson> he cancelled it on the calendar, but I sent out a separate mail
[16:05] <liw> cjwatson > Google Calendar
[16:05] <cjwatson> it seems as though we ought to have a FF round-up in time to be able to do something about it ...
[16:05] <slangasek> hmm, oh
[16:05] <Keybuk> cjwatson: but you didn't readd it to the calendar, so those people with alarms set wouldn't be alerted ;)
[16:05] <cjwatson> I blame the lack of telepathic calendars
[16:06] <cjwatson> ok, so in my mail I asked for people to have a quick summary of what they were doing FF-wise that was potentially in trouble
[16:06] <cjwatson> how about I start
[16:07] <cjwatson> most of oem-config-server is done, and the parts that remain should be in time for FF (most significantly, a tasksel component)
[16:08] <cjwatson> server-pre-installation involves a lot of little bits, some of which have been agreed to be relatively unimportant and probably won't make it; the thing I'm pushing on hardest is support for manual package selection, on which I've made progress but haven't quite managed to get it to work, so at some risk
[16:08] <cjwatson> I'm working on LVM by default for the server at the moment, which should be in time
[16:09] <cjwatson> otherwise I may be able to help other folks out a bit
[16:09] <cjwatson> [end]
[16:09] <cjwatson> evand: how about you?
[16:10] <evand> the slideshow work has been deferred as Julian's team does not have the resources for it this cycle, I'm currently in the middle of the oem ID work, and should have that done tonight or tomorrow, and there's some little bits left on the ubiquity work that I'll be able to knock off in the few days we have left
[16:12] <cjwatson> ok, that was quick :)
[16:12] <cjwatson> james_w: yours mostly aren't FF-critical, but ...?
[16:13] <james_w> I like to try and have bzr-builddeb contain the code that is doing the lifting on package-import.ubuntu.com, but that is not required
[16:13] <james_w> there probably aren't features needed to be added to get Debian branches available, so that should be safe
[16:14] <james_w> I do want to try and tackle a couple of usability things, but I'm not sure what the solution is, so they may have to wait until next cycle
[16:14] <cjwatson> usability in bzr-builddeb, or elsewhere?
[16:14] <james_w> the rest of the work is de-synced from FF I believe
[16:15] <james_w> (though I want to get the latest launchpadlib snapshot in, but that's not too much work)
[16:15] <james_w> cjwatson: yes, usability in bzr-builddeb
[16:15] <james_w> for instance making it easy to supply "-v" when building a merge from Debian
[16:16] <cjwatson> ah, yes
[16:16] <cjwatson> (isn't that just a bug? ;-) )
[16:17] <james_w> that's all from me I think
[16:17] <cjwatson> ok
[16:17] <cjwatson> liw:
[16:18] <liw> I need some help from mvo to merge Computer Janitor and update-manager code bases, and someone to sponsor uploads, but that should be it
[16:18] <liw> I should be able to get all necessary changes in (just) in time for FF, unless I break my back further
[16:18] <mvo> yeah, sorry for that, I was not as helpful as I should be
[16:18] <liw> (end)
[16:18] <liw> mvo, you'll get more mail tonight :)
[16:19] <cjwatson> breaking backs considered a bad idea for making FF ...
[16:20] <cjwatson> and now I'm reminded that I've been meaning to try out doko's PPA
[16:20] <cjwatson> doko:
[16:21] <doko> cjwatson: for python?
[16:21] <cjwatson> yep
[16:22] <cjwatson> want to play with 2.6 :)
[16:22] <mvo> me too!
[16:22] <mvo> :)
[16:22] <doko> well, upload of python2.6 will follow later today. will depreacate 2.4, so that the packages that we will rebuild don't increase in size
[16:22] <doko> 2.5 still the default, until we rebuilt the extension modules for 2.5 and 2.6.
[16:23] <doko> then switch to 2.6, before feature freeze
[16:23] <cjwatson> I assume that people maintaining python applications should start playing with 2.6 ASAP
[16:24] <doko> yes, but please let's rebuild the extensions first. should be done by the weekend
[16:25] <cjwatson> ok, weekend sounds fine by me - do you have time for the helper package changes discussed at the sprint before FF?
[16:25] <slangasek> I'm a bit worried that we're talking about switching the python default right before feature freeze when AFAICS python2.6 isn't even in the archive yet
[16:26] <slangasek> has testing been done in PPA of rebuilding the extensions, to make sure that works, or are we going to have a pile of bugs to sort through right at FF?
[16:26] <cjwatson> my concern is sort of inverse, that unless we switch in this release we're going to have a harder time getting to python3
[16:27] <doko> I had done some rebuilds using 2.6. there are a few uploads needed to cope with new keywords, like 'with'. but it's not as invasive as the switch from 2.4 to 2.5
[16:28] <slangasek> cjwatson: I concede to the bigger picture, then
[16:28] <slangasek> but the sooner python2.6 is in, the happier I'll be
[16:29] <cjwatson> (python3 is still going to be a hugely complex switch of course, but I'd like to be able to go through and lint things with -3)
[16:31] <cjwatson> ok, we should continue
[16:31] <cjwatson> mvo:
[16:31] <mvo> partner-repositories> policy draft almost ready and will go out to ubuntu-devel for discussion
[16:31] <mvo> (but should not really be a FF item)
[16:31] <mvo> jaunty-backup> not a lot that I have done, but I will sponsor deja-dup into universe, its quite nice
[16:31] <mvo> apturl-add-repo> done, in the archive
[16:32] <mvo> jaunty-codec-install> done and in the archive, may need a legal warning dialog in the same spirit as the old one (asked amanda about this)
[16:32] <mvo> (and seeded)
[16:32] <mvo> UX team wishes for update-manager, update-notifier> hopefully make it, bits are done, others are not
[16:32] <mvo> (end)
[16:32] <cjwatson> UX == DX?
[16:32] <mvo> yeah, whatever todays name is ;)
[16:32] <ogra> update-effects ? :)
[16:32] <cjwatson> I get confused
[16:32] <mvo> they want eg. update-manager to start automatically when updates are available
[16:32] <mvo> and not display notification bubbles/icons
[16:33] <Keybuk> UX is Julian's team, DX is David Barth's team?
[16:33] <mvo> its not a big amount of work, but still stuff
[16:33] <liw> mvo, ugh
[16:33] <cjwatson> hmm, interesting, I'd have to see the implementation of that ...
[16:33] <cjwatson> I assume if you close it it gets out of the way
[16:33] <liw> I saw that in the new laptop in our house yesterday. With Windows. It ruined the movie.
[16:33] <mvo> liw: haha
[16:33] <mvo> I'm not convinced about it myself, but it will start unfocused so at least it does not jump in peoples faces
[16:35]  * liw mumbles something about every interruption, even unfocused ones, costing fifteen minutes of time when in hack mode...
[16:35]  * liw stops mumbling, this being off-topci
[16:35] <mvo> liw: there will be a gconf key to get back the old behaviour
[16:36] <cjwatson> I think it's a valid objection, but maybe it would be better if mvo could supply a UX/DX/whatever contact to have the conversation with
[16:36] <mvo> mpt would be the person to talk to
[16:38] <cjwatson> Keybuk:
[16:39] <Keybuk> before FF I'd like to get upstream updates for udev, module-init-tools and util-linux-ng in
[16:39] <Keybuk> obviously these all depend on upstream ;)
[16:39] <Keybuk> also would like to land the hwclock changes and the console changes (which still need testing)
[16:41] <cjwatson> happy to help with those if you have prototype work, since my system seems to have stopped crashing upon switching to console
[16:42] <slangasek> the fix to make pm-utils not call hwclock is in, thanks to james_w - suspend/resume is a fair tick faster now :)
[16:42] <Keybuk> it's not a long enough job to need help
[16:42] <cjwatson> ok
[16:42] <cjwatson> I confess to the sin of offering help rather than Just Doing It
[16:44] <cjwatson> slangasek:
[16:45] <slangasek> good progress on hotkeys, I think everything that counts as "feature" work will be done on schedule - with a fair number of bug fixes we can follow up on after
[16:46] <slangasek> the grub2 spec is well behind where it ought to be; I'm certainly going to try to make up the difference this week and next, but that could probably use some help, particularly on the installer side - though part of the problem is that I don't have the spec itself ready for review, so I need to get that done today/tomorrow :(
[16:46] <slangasek> (that's also a low-priority spec, so if it doesn't make it, that's unfortunate but not the end of the world)
[16:46] <slangasek> the copyright format spec isn't FF material
[16:46] <cjwatson> I can offer whatever help is needed on the installer side (of course grub-installer *should* already support grub2, it's just a switch to flip)
[16:47] <slangasek> and there's work to be done on the power management cleanup spec as well - hopefully I'll get a chance to dive into that this week too
[16:47] <cjwatson> I agree that copyright format isn't FF material but would like to see it sooner rather than later, since other parts of Canonical are on our backs about that :-/
[16:47] <slangasek> indeed
[16:47] <cjwatson> the hotkeys stuff has been looking great, I can almost understand it now ;-)
[16:47]  * slangasek grins
[16:48] <slangasek> I think there'll probably be an update to Samba 3.3 before FF; I need to discuss this with the server team though, but it does look like Debian unstable will move to the new upstream version soon
[16:48] <slangasek> that's it for me, I think
[16:48] <cjwatson> perhaps relevantly, debian-devel-announce suggests that lenny will release on Saturday
[16:48] <cjwatson> so for a small number of packages that may be useful
[16:49] <slangasek> yep - that should restore a bit of balance to unstable :)
[16:49] <cjwatson> making it live up to its name? :)
[16:49] <cjwatson> that's all from me, anyway - AOB?
[16:52] <slangasek> not from this quarter :)
[16:52] <cjwatson> guess not, thanks all and I'll let you get back to work :)
[16:52] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[16:52] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:52.
[16:52] <slangasek> thanks!
[16:52] <mvo> thanks
[16:52] <evand> thanks!
[16:52] <liw> thanks
[16:57] <davmor2> Hi all :)
[16:58] <pedro_> hey hey hey
[16:58] <bdmurray> howdy
[16:58]  * ara waves
[16:58]  * charlie-tca waves
[16:59] <heno> hey all!
[16:59] <schwuk> hi heno
[16:59] <jcozens> hi.
[17:00] <sbeattie> hey
[17:00] <pedro_> hey charlie-tca, jcozens
[17:01] <heno> #startmeeting
[17:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is heno.
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[17:01] <heno> welcome back everyone :)
[17:02] <heno> agenda as usual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[17:02] <heno> * UbuntuBugDay resume
[17:02] <heno> pedro_: ?
[17:03] <pedro_> Last week we ran the update-manager hug day  -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090205
[17:03] <pedro_> Martin Mai (MrKanister on IRC) helped us with the organization since we were sprinting at Berlin so if you see him online give him a big hug
[17:04] <pedro_> the Hug Day hero was the awesome Michele Mangili (mangili on IRC) if you look to the page you'll see what i'm talking about
[17:04] <heno> indeed
[17:05] <pedro_> next hug day (tomorrow) is going to be based on the bugs without a package https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090212
[17:05] <pedro_> there's already people working on them ;-) so feel free to join us at any time
[17:06] <heno> mangilimic is already out in front :)
[17:06] <bdmurray> pedro_: I'd like to put the no package bugs w/ attachments in the More Bugs section, alright?
[17:06] <heno> thanks pedro (and mangilimic!)
[17:07] <heno> [TOPIC] hugday-tools call for testing
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  hugday-tools call for testing
[17:07] <pedro_> bdmurray: yes that's totally ok, feel free to add them
[17:08] <ara> that was a topic by thekorn, but he doesn't seem around
[17:08] <ara> but it is kind of related with ubuntu-qa-tools that I added, I could talk about it
[17:08] <heno> anyone know the LP URL or so?
[17:08] <pedro_> ah hugday-tools right, thekorn rewritten the hugday-tools in order to work with the new wiki format
[17:09] <pedro_> he was asking for testing, so tomorrow is the perfect day to test the tool *cof* *cof*
[17:09] <pedro_> I've added some documentation at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Tools
[17:09] <heno> great, thanks
[17:09] <pedro_> but it needs to be updated since it's now included on the ubuntu-qa-tools
[17:10] <pedro_> i'll do that after the meeting
[17:10] <heno> so let's jump to
[17:10] <heno> [TOPIC] New ubuntu-qa-tools package
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  New ubuntu-qa-tools package
[17:11] <ara> the project in lp ubuntu-qa-tools is now packaged and should be available in Jaunty anytime soon
[17:11] <pedro_> \o/ !
[17:11] <davmor2> Yay :)
[17:11] <ara> it was approved by the sponsors and it is awating in the queue
[17:12] <bdmurray> sweet!
[17:12] <ara> it will also include the new hugday tool by thekorn
[17:12] <charlie-tca> tools are in the repository already
[17:12] <heno> those who are attending other team meetings might mention it and ask if they use tools that might fit in there
[17:12] <davmor2> ara: looks to be in with the latest updates :)
[17:12] <maco> ara: what's the hugday tool?
[17:12] <maco> er oh that nevermind
[17:13] <charlie-tca> Read-me for hugday tool is /usr/share/doc/hugday-tool
[17:13] <ara> please, report any bugs in the ubuntu-qa-tools package in launchpad
[17:13] <heno> thanks ara!
[17:14] <heno> [TOPIC] GlobalBugJam reminder
[17:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  GlobalBugJam reminder
[17:15] <heno> I don't see jorge online
[17:15] <heno> anyway here is more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam
[17:15] <heno> I'll be heading to the London one
[17:16] <heno> who else is going to an event?
[17:16] <davmor2> I might be going to the birmingham one
[17:16] <jcastro> I am here sorry, was on a call
[17:16] <maco> charlie-tca: even after installing, that file doesn't exist, just for the record
[17:16] <pedro_> I'll be participating with the guys at Chile and i'll be online as well helping on #ubuntu-bugs
[17:16] <heno> jcastro: sorry, my bad
[17:16] <jcastro> I'll be participating in detroit and online
[17:17] <maco> Washington, DC, we have one on Saturday
[17:17] <maco> (the 21st)
[17:17] <pedro_> there's a couple of sessions about how to run a bug jam so if you're interested :
[17:17] <jcastro> we're up to ~26 teams signed up, if we can hit 30 teams that would be great
[17:17] <pedro_> February 13  at 1200 UTC with dholbach as the speaker
[17:18] <pedro_> and February 14 at 0000 UTC with jcastro
[17:18] <jcastro> yeah, those are the typical training sessions
[17:18] <pedro_> the sessions are taking place in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:19] <heno> Great, looking forward to the GBJ :)
[17:19] <heno> [TOPIC] New GNOME desktop testing team
[17:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  New GNOME desktop testing team
[17:20] <ara> A new GNOME team was created a couple of days ago. It is focused on automated testing for the desktop
[17:20] <ara> http://live.gnome.org/DesktopTesting
[17:20] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://live.gnome.org/DesktopTesting
[17:21] <ara> A new SVN module is set up with the ubuntu-desktop-testing project, but without things specifically for Ubuntu (in this case called gnome-desktop-testing)
[17:21] <ara> there is also a mailing list: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-testing-list
[17:22] <ara> please, join the mailing list if you're interested in making gnome a better desktop for linux (and ubuntu)
[17:22] <maco> does KDE have a corrolary?
[17:22] <heno> a nice place to announce LDTP 1.5 :)
[17:23] <heno> maco: KDE is still a bit lacking in a11y infrastructure
[17:23] <heno> which is what we use for automated testing
[17:23] <maco> LDTP?
[17:23] <ara> maco: I am afraid no, the at-spi layer (the accessiblity layer) will move to dbus any time soon (?) and then it would work
[17:24] <heno> maco: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-testing-list/2009-February/msg00002.html
[17:24] <ara> LDTP is the testing framework that we are using in the ubuntu-desktop-testing project.  LDTP 1.5. was released a couple of days ago.
[17:25] <ara> I packaged it for Ubuntu (to avoid debian version not reaching feature freeze) and it is now fully available in Jaunty
[17:25] <heno> ara: is there a screecast that explains test automation?
[17:25] <ara> heno: there isn't
[17:25] <ara> heno: shall I add that to my todo list?
[17:25] <heno> I think there are some AI2 and accerciser ones, but not pure LDTP
[17:26] <maco> er...didnt mean to re-paste that
[17:26] <heno> ara: for a start you could request one from the screecast team
[17:26] <maco> oh i didnt. i scrolled. sorry
[17:26] <heno> (though realistically it might turn out better and sooner if you do it)
[17:27] <davmor2> just pick on popey :)
[17:28] <heno> right, I'll meet him next week
[17:28] <heno> ara: can you post a request on the screen cast team page?
[17:28] <ara> sure
[17:28] <heno> then I'll check with popey
[17:29] <heno> [TOPIC] Possible issues with menu systems in testcases - davmor2
[17:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Possible issues with menu systems in testcases - davmor2
[17:30] <davmor2> Right so with the wiki migration we've hit an issue involving the differing menu systems in the *buntu family.  Because none of them are the same you can't tell people to click on xmenu->ymenu->app to start an app
[17:30] <maco> er, the XDG stuff is generally the same
[17:31] <davmor2> So although OO.o is in Ubuntu, Kubuntu and netbook remix to access it they all use slightly different methods
[17:32] <davmor2> mid uses next to no menus at all
[17:32] <ara> would be includes and meta information enough?
[17:32] <ara> like #common- #ubuntu-
[17:32] <maco> in kde i open the kmenu, click applications, click office, and pick one. in gnome i open the applications menu, click office, and pick one
[17:33] <heno> I'm weary of making the wiki mark-up too complex
[17:33] <heno> we'll always run into quirks that we need to account for
[17:34] <heno> can we write a page for each of Kubuntu, UNR etc to explain the differences in that flavour
[17:34] <maco> and if you use the older gnome menu instead of the gnome menu bar, its exactly the same as using the kmenu
[17:34] <maco> (but not as pretty)
[17:34] <heno> one of the early 'test cases' for a Kubuntu could the be 'read this page'
[17:35] <maco> actually, gnome's old menu is the same as xfce's menu is the same as the old kmenu
[17:36] <davmor2> maco: but the differences need to be obvious to the read who is following the instructions so the difference become a pain in the arse
[17:36] <maco> davmor2: the names of the sections do not change from desktop to desktop
[17:36] <maco> davmor2: the only difference is whether you need to open the menu before you go to Applications or not
[17:37] <davmor2> maco: mid has no menu
[17:37] <maco> that can be fixed with "go to your main menu and click applications..."
[17:37] <maco> davmor2: fair enough. but for the other 3 they're the same
[17:38] <davmor2> heno: that's possible
[17:38] <heno> davmor2: ok, let's talk this through on the call tomorrow
[17:38] <davmor2> okay :)
[17:39] <heno> [TOPIC] regression review - sbeattie
[17:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  regression review - sbeattie
[17:39] <sbeattie> A few things:
[17:39] <sbeattie> I updated the page at http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/regression/regression_tracker.html to use some of the lp css/js goo, so the tables are all sortable now.
[17:40] <pedro_> nice!
[17:40] <ogasawara> Oooo, pretty
[17:40] <sbeattie> the regression-potential bugs need a little bit of love
[17:40] <davmor2> very pretty
[17:40] <ara> neat!
[17:41] <sbeattie> yeah, the layout's a bit wonky still, but it's an improvement.
[17:41] <heno> nice :)
[17:41] <sbeattie> ogasawara: is https://edge.bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/327431 on your radar? Looks like there may have been a regression in the last hardy update re wpa/hidden ssid/iwl3945.
[17:42] <sbeattie> oh, I also added the assignee to that page so we could see if a bug's already on someone's radar.
[17:43] <ogasawara> sbeattie: thanks, hadn't seen it yet
[17:43] <ogasawara> sbeattie: I raised a couple regression at the kernel team meeting yesterday
[17:43] <sbeattie> yeah, I read scrollback, but I didn't see that particular issue mentioned.
[17:45] <sbeattie> IIRC, we'd agreed we'd start assigning regression bugs to the teams to get them on their radar, is that correct?
[17:45] <heno> sbeattie: right
[17:45] <heno> the correct link is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/327431 btw
[17:46] <heno> both seem to work for the bot but not FF (?)
[17:46] <sbeattie> heno: yeah, that was a manual fixup tyop on my part.
[17:47] <sbeattie> I'll walk through and assign bugs later today, may need some help figuring out which teams to assign to.
[17:47] <sbeattie> (unless someone else would like to take that task)
[17:47] <heno> sbeattie: ok, please set the importance and state of these too
[17:47] <sbeattie> okay.
[17:47] <heno> bugs we touch should have those set
[17:48] <heno> thanks
[17:48] <heno> let's do a lightning round table
[17:48]  * heno starts
[17:48] <heno> I spent the past 4 days in London at the management sprint.
[17:48] <heno> Highlight is that the other engineering team leads committed to use the team-assignment lists to track their bugs.
[17:49] <heno> We will aim to eventually move all Triaged bugs to those lists or to flag them as not a resource priority for Canonical.
[17:49] <heno> [done]
[17:50] <heno> let's each prepare a few round table points for these meetings
[17:50] <heno> we'd esp. like to hear from non-Canonical folks!
[17:51] <heno> anyone wish to add something at 0-minutes notice? ;)
[17:51] <sbeattie> heno: a couple of SRU items:
[17:51] <sbeattie> first, thanks to Rolf Leggewie (r0lf on launchpad) for doing a bunch of verifications, it's very much appreciated!
[17:51] <sbeattie> second: It'd be great if people with a Samsung NC10 Netbook, Dell Latitude D810 laptop, or the HSUPA modem found in Acer Aspire One could test the hal-info update in hardy-proposed.
[17:52] <sbeattie> [end]
[17:52] <heno> rock r0lf!
[17:52] <heno> davmor2: do you have the Acer Aspire One?
[17:52] <davmor2> Yeap
[17:53] <ogasawara> I want to give a shout out to michele mangili who's done an amazing job helping close out kernel bugs
[17:53] <heno> sbeattie: can you walk davmor2 thought testing that SRU?
[17:53] <sbeattie> heh, sure. :-)
[17:54] <heno> any other topics?
[17:54] <maco> can i point out that if any of you have authored patches for ubuntu, its a good idea to check with upstream to see if they want them too?
[17:55] <heno> that's esp. true one bugs with upstream tasks
[17:56] <heno> jcastro: do we have guidelines on doing that?
[17:56] <heno> I think we often leave it to the next sync
[17:56] <heno> which may not be so useful for upstream
[17:56] <maco> i can say it works much better to send the patch to a -devel mailing list than to set it on a bugtracker
[17:57] <heno> maco: what upstreams do you have most experience with?
[17:57] <heno> (preferences often vary)
[17:58] <maco> heno: gnome and alsa. with gnome i've pinged maintainers on IRC to tell them "there's a patch here" but with alsa i cant find anyone on irc so the mailing list (which requires subscription) is what i used after waiting about 2 months of it being ignored on the bugtracker
[17:58] <stgraber> hello
[17:58] <heno> perhaps we should make it part of the patch sponsorship process?
[17:59] <maco> i think "new bug with patch" and "new bug" dont register any differently in inboxes, but a "live" notification of a patch from a human (not a bugtracker bot relaying things) helps speed things along
[18:00] <maco> which is why jcastro wants us to get involved with communicating with upstream, right?
[18:01] <heno> indeed
[18:02] <heno> speaking of Gnome upstream :)
[18:03] <heno> jcastro: can you speak with dhobach about whether we can fit upstreaming into the patch sponsorship process?
[18:03] <heno> any other topics?
[18:03] <heno> (briefly)
[18:04] <james_w> it's normally discussed as part of sponsorship
[18:05] <heno> so it's the non-sponsored patches that are slower to get upstream?
[18:05] <heno> let's wrap up
[18:05] <bdmurray> Spread the word about http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/needs-packaging/needs-packaging-popularity.html
[18:06] <heno> now with new bug-hotness hotness!
[18:06] <heno> #endmeeting
[18:06] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:06.
[18:12] <davmor2> bye


[21:54] <mysterycool> hey need some help with installing metasploit
[21:55] <howdy> bruenig:such as wifi radar
[21:55] <tomtommy> sinbox, define worried
[21:55] <mysterycool> it wont let me untar it the .tar.gz file :S
[21:55]  * BrainSurg notes that Canadians have CSIS
[21:55] <bruenig> howdy: iwlist, iwconfig, dhclient
[21:55] <bruenig> howdy: that is what wifi-radar is
[21:55] <howdy> bruenig: or the one that comes with ubuntu
[21:55] <bruenig> iwlist iwconfig and dhclient
[21:55] <sinbox> well, if you were not worried why would you bother about securely deleting the files
[21:55] <Veinor> How can I get it to not try to fetch the modules from the internet
[21:55] <pwuertz> hi! I accidently installed grub on my usb-drive-mbr... now my bootloader at usb-partition1 won't be executed anymore... how can i remove grub from the mbr?
[21:56] <howdy> bruenig, im after different network handlers
[21:56] <Slart> tomtommy: the feds.. then we're back at melting.. but I guess disabling swap and then forcing firefox to use memory only.. or you could look into creating a truecrypt volume on a memory drive.. that ought to keep them out for a while
[21:56] <howdy> brueni: i cant explain any further if u dont already understand
[21:56] <bruenig> howdy: it is always just iwconfig iwlist and dhclient, doesn't matter what dinky ass icons you put around it, it is always that
[21:56] <bruenig> wifi-radar is a python script, a poor one at that
[21:56] <tomtommy> Slart, why do I need a swap partition anyway?  I have 1 GB RAM
[21:57] <howdy> bruenig: yes i know that, but there are different network managers you can use.  for example windows comes with its own crappy one, or u can install wifi hopper or oddyssey like i have
[21:57] <sdfewfs> when i create a bridge device with brctl and add the interfaces, i associate the wifi card with the accesspoint and grabs an IP address, i can ping the IP assigned to the card, but i'm unable to ping the accesspoint, remove the devices from the bridge, and ping works. any ideas?
[21:57] <Slart> tomtommy: if something in your computer needs more than 1 GB of ram.. like opening yahoo.com in firefox =)
[21:57] <tomtommy> do I really need a swap partition?
[21:57] <cafuego> tomtommy: it allows for unused ram to be used as disk cache, and putting unused apps in swap.
[21:57] <bruenig> windows has its own networking tools
[21:57] <tomtommy> Slart, WHAT?  opening yahoo.com in firefox takles more than 1 GB RAM?
[21:57] <Slart> tomtommy: it isn't mandatory.. but I would say it's recommended
[21:57] <cafuego> tomtommy: Overall that's a net speedup.
[21:57] <danand> mysterycool - are you trying to untar a file.tar.gz??
[21:58] <bruenig> the networking tools EVERY script uses in gnu/linux is iwconfig, ifconfig, iwlist
[21:58] <bruenig> and perhaps different dhcp clients
[21:58] <mysterycool> danand: no, ive installed it successfully but i cant get it to run
[21:58] <howdy> bruenig: yes i just said that
[21:58] <Alan> How would I go about finding out what is locking my sound device?  I've killed everything that has been using it, that i know of, but it's still locked for some reason
[21:58] <bruenig> ok so use those
[21:58] <tomtommy> how can I disable swap file to test it and see how everything runs?
[21:58] <ArthurArchnix> I've got 1GB of RA and turned off my swap. But I boot to about 150MB and don't do much more than open firefox, exaile and openoffice. Watch a movie sometimes.
[21:58] <BrainSurg> Alan: try fuser /dev/dsp
[21:58] <mysterycool> ?
[21:58] <howdy> bruenig, im looking for ones i can use on my linux OS
[21:58] <Slart> tomtommy: nah.. but make it one instance of firefox with 10 or so tabs.. add GIMP with some vacation photo.. and gnome.. and you're getting close
[21:58] <cafuego> tomtommy: Not if you use greasemonkey to make most of it not display :-)
[21:58] <swombat_> what's the terminal equivalent for "Alt-1" (In the same sense that Backspace maps to ^H or ^?)?
[21:58] <BrainSurg> tomtommy: swapoff /dev/xxx
[21:58] <swombat_> terminal string i mean
[21:58] <Alan> BrainSurg, no output
[21:58] <tomtommy> i only have 2 apps MAX open at same time
[21:58] <bruenig> howdy: iwconfig wlan0 essid "accesspoint" ; dhcpd wlan0
[21:58] <Rawk03> hello, ever since the last update kacpid has been hogging my cpu, how would I kill this and keep it from coming back?
[21:58] <BrainSurg> where xxx is your swap partition.
[21:58] <bruenig> howdy: success, you have just now connected to the access point
[21:59] <tomtommy> BrainSurg, how do I know what my swap /dev is?
[21:59] <some1--> can anyone gimme ubunto live cd file name?
[21:59] <calc> what is the proper way to flush .thumbnails cache?
[21:59] <Slart> tomtommy: try turning it off.. you'll get warnings in the logs if you run out of memory..
[21:59] <calc> is it safe to just rm it?
[21:59] <tomtommy> Slart, not sure how I turn it off
[21:59] <danand> Alan - I was having this problem the other night with some one here. fuser unfortunately didn't show up the process that was blocking the sound
[21:59] <ArthurArchnix> calc rm ~/.thumbnails  and yes, it's safe.  I have no idea where that is :P
[22:00] <EminX> I'm having problem trying to install Ubuntu 7.10 on Virtual PC 2007, when I select start Install Ubuntu I get these errors: "isapnp: checksum for device 1 is not valid (0x89)" and "isapnp: checksum for device 2 is not valid (0xbe)", I'v tried solutions found on the forums ( like F4 for lowest vga resolution and vga = 771) but still i'm disapointed, just black screen
[22:00] <scraga1> ok, whenever I restart my computer say's "no resume image" and boots me to TTYL(spelling)1 for command line, I know I can use startx to get gui back, but how can I perminatly fix this problem?
[22:01] <tomtommy> Slart, I dont need gparted, i used this: sudo cfdisk /dev/sdc
[22:01] <Slart> tomtommy: that works too..
[22:01] <calc> ArthurArchnix: its smart enough to regenerate the thumbnails for the images again later, right?
[22:01] <calc> ArthurArchnix: i have 790MB of thumbnails which was why i wanted to purge them :)
[22:01] <ArthurArchnix> calc: You can even do it in nautilus, which is how I do it.
[22:01] <tomtommy> how do I turn swap on again if I need to?
[22:01] <some1--> can anyone give me Ubuntu LiveCD iso filename?
[22:01] <calc> ArthurArchnix: ok
[22:01] <tomtommy> swapon? :P
[22:01] <Slart> tomtommy: give it a guess. if swapoff turns it off.. =)
[22:01] <danand> Alan - i was kinda tired by that point - suggested a reboot ;) - are you sure the device is in use? ie can you do a cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp or /dev/audio?
[22:02] <Slart> yay... cookie for tomtommy =)
[22:02] <ArthurArchnix> calc Yes it will recreate them. If I find that a thumbnail isnt' being rendered I delete my thumbnail cache and that usually fixes it.
[22:02] <calc> ArthurArchnix: ah ok :-)
[22:02] <tomtommy> swapon /dev/xxx ? :)
[22:02] <Alan> danand, i get "Device or resource busy"
[22:03]  * calc is converting his father in laws pc to Ubuntu, heh
[22:03] <tomtommy> Slart, LOL
[22:03] <mysterycool> hey i managed to run metasploit (finally) but how can i view it locally instead from the terminal? i mean with local ip <IP_ADDRESS>:55555
[22:03] <tomtommy> Slart, so I can keep swap OFF, unless I get a warning message from Ubuntu about logs not being able to be written?
[22:03] <azahara> za linux?
[22:03] <EminX> I'm having problem trying to install Ubuntu 7.10 on Virtual PC 2007, when I select start Install Ubuntu I get these errors: "isapnp: checksum for device 1 is not valid (0x89)" and "isapnp: checksum for device 2 is not valid (0xbe)", I'v tried solutions found on the forums ( like F4 for lowest vga resolution and vga = 771) but still i'm disapointed, black screen
[22:03] <Rawk03> anyone have any ideas for me?
[22:03] <desertc> I am having troubleshooting the CD Burner.  Getting a poor error message with the default application.
[22:04] <danand> Alan - just having a poke around now .... its _very_ annoying fuser doesnt show the process blocking access to that file/device.
[22:04] <Slart> tomtommy: you'll notice if you run out of memory.. ubuntu will start shutting down programs..
[22:04] <BillyJoe> how do I add a PDF printer?
[22:04] <scraga1> ok, whenever I restart my computer say's "no resume image" and boots me to TTYL(spelling)1 for command line, I know I can use startx to get gui back, but how can I permanently fix this problem?
[22:04] <Slart> tomtommy: or use a really really old drive for swap.. you'll hear it spin up =)
[22:04] <danand> Alan - have you tried restarting alsa-  ie sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[22:04] <ArthurArchnix> calc: If you're really keen, you could learn to write a little script, that would check if the folder ~/thumbnails is larger than say 500MB, and if it is, then finds the oldest files and deletes them until the size of the folder is less than 500MB. You could then set this sript to run at logout.
[22:04] <tomtommy> Slart, ok, and then I just type: swapon . gotcha
[22:05] <tomtommy> Slart, i dont have a really really old drive. im rich :)
[22:05] <calc> ArthurArchnix: yea
[22:05] <M[n]M> DAMN
[22:05] <M[n]M> BYE!
[22:06] <kthakore> I was running out for space on my root partition so I increased the partition size and had to create a new swap drive which change the name of my root dev to /dev/sda2 from sda1 now grub gives me error 17
[22:06] <niklas> Currently totem is opening my .avi files. I want vlc to open it as standard. How can I change this?
[22:07] <adaptr> right-click an AVI file and change it
[22:07] <Slart> niklas: right click on an avi-file.. there is an open with page there
[22:08] <Slart> niklas: sorry.. right click, select properties.. then search for the open with thingy
[22:09] <niklas> Slart
[22:09] <scraga1> ok, whenever I restart my computer say's "no resume image" and boots me to TTYL(spelling)1 for command line, I know I can use startx to get gui back, but how can I permanently fix this problem?
[22:09] <Slart> yes?
[22:09] <niklas> Slart, thanks, that did the trick :)
[22:09] <Slart> niklas: you're welcome
[22:10] <ArthurArchnix> kthakore: Well, you seem to know what needs to be done then. Boot a live cd, find where it has mounted your ubuntu partition (e.g., /mnt/root) open menu.lst (e.g., /mnt/root/boot/grub/menu.lst) and change the root dev id. You either need to find the uuid of the partition and put that in there, or rename it to /dev/sd# and then make a similar change. Then open up fstab (e.g., /mnt/etc/fstab) and make the corresponding changes
[22:10] <gnychis> why does my shutdown button turn into a running man? is there any way to fix it to the red shutdown button?
[22:11] <ohp> a
[22:11] <Starnestommy> gnychis: try changing the icon theme
[22:11] <desertc> maybe your button is trying to escape...
[22:11] <gnychis> Starnestommy: bingo, thanks
[22:12] <LukeL> scraga1 try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:12] <Parsec300> gnychis, I've had the them not load on login sometimes. And then the next time I boot and log in, there's no problem.
[22:12] <jmg> hi all
[22:12] <baal> hi
[22:12] <steph_> Can someone help me compile b43-fwcutter VERSION 11 (on hardy)?
[22:12] <jmg> need some help with agere systems et-131 ethernet
[22:12] <sdfewfs> when i create a bridge device with brctl and add the interfaces, i associate the wifi card with the accesspoint and grabs an IP address, i can ping the IP assigned to the card, but i'm unable to ping the accesspoint, remove the devices from the bridge, and ping works. any ideas?
[22:13] <jmg> i need a livecd that supports it
[22:13] <sd32> great....downloaded the gos live cd and its not a live cd
[22:14] <WhoaItsPhil> what is the best thing to use in ubuntu to manage your synaptics touchpad preferences?
[22:14] <some-learner> 'lo... need some help with iptables... can i redirect from port 80 on my IP to port 80 on some other arbitrary IP address? (go to my domain and get some other random website)
[22:14] <ArthurArchnix> steph_: You need to ask that in #ubuntu+1
[22:15] <PeP`> hello... is there an iso of some ubuntu version (any) with a 2.4 kernel?
[22:15] <Starnestommy> PeP`: I think they're all 2.6
[22:16] <nkriz> hello all. can anyone explain what nm-applet does and why i should give it my keyring password?
[22:16] <some-learner> PeP`, maybe hte way old versions like 5.x or 4.x
[22:16] <timandtom> Is there a way to backup my current settings for Ubuntu 7.10? Planning to remove and install WinXP, but incase I screw it up, I want to be able to come back to Ubuntu, without setting all of my old settings back
[22:16] <ArthurArchnix> PeP I was looking for the same thing a year ago. The best I could do was debian sarge.
[22:16] <Starnestommy> nkriz: nm-applet manages wireless
[22:16] <PeP`> ArthurArchnix: thanks.. I'll do that i think..
[22:16] <some-learner> timandtom, you can use dpkg to make a list of all installed packages and back up /etc and your /home
[22:16] <steph_> ArthurArchnix: thanks, didn't know this channel.
[22:17] <ArthurArchnix> steph_: PeP cheers
[22:17] <nkriz> thanks! just switched from windows and i'm used to denying anything it asks me for
[22:17] <timandtom> some-learner: :D Ah, ok, cool. Um, how might I do that? I don't really know anything about Linux, I basically just use it for browsing, and using Pidgin, since I borked XP before
[22:17] <sd32> !vmware
[22:17] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[22:17] <WhoaItsPhil> any suggestions on ubuntu program to manage touchpad preferences? mine is way too sensitive by default and the mouse options ubuntu has available by default don't do much for it
[22:18] <danand> !info gsynaptics | WhoaItsPhil
[22:18] <ubotu> whoaitsphil: gsynaptics (source: gsynaptics): configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad driver of X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.12-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 28 kB, installed size 320 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc sparc)
[22:18] <sd32> wonder id vmware is going to be available for futurre versions of linux??
[22:19] <PeP`> ArthurArchnix: and you just downloaded the basic sarge iso, it lets you choose no? (with F1 or something if I remember..)
[22:19] <sd32> has linux stopped supporting vmware?
[22:19] <ArthurArchnix> PeP Sorry, it was a while ago. It was hard to find. Then I messed up the install. Eventually I just gave up and installed Win2Kpro. :P
[22:19] <WhoaItsPhil> yeah i installed that but when i try to run it, it says i need to change SHMConfig to true in xorg.conf...how exactly would i do that? when i type SHMConfig = true and save it in xorg.conf it doesn't do anything...i dont think i have the right syntax?
[22:20] <ArthurArchnix> Why is Seveas battling Ubotu?
[22:20] <Seveas> ArthurArchnix, to avoid a problem it's developing
[22:20] <ArthurArchnix> Seveas: And why does it look like its winning?
[22:20] <Seveas> I fixed the problem :)
[22:20]  * ArthurArchnix golf claps
[22:21] <sd32> is there a gOS irc?
[22:21] <[T]ank> i have configured xorg to do dual screens.
[22:21] <mysterycool> anybody has any ideas of how i can learn how to use metasploit???
[22:21] <Starnestommy> sd32: #gos
[22:21] <[T]ank> how do i configure it so that windows do not open in the very middle
[22:21] <PeP`> sd32: how about /join #gOS ?
[22:21] <[T]ank> i want them to open in either screen 1 or 2 not right in the middle
[22:21] <sd32> Starnestommy: thanks
[22:22] <[T]ank> i remember in kde i could specify how they worked. I am not finding anything similar in gnome
[22:22] <WhoaItsPhil> is xorg.conf supposed to be blank by default?
[22:22] <tehbatz> hello, I am using ubuntu 7.10 on a emachines laptop with an onboard soundcard. I am not doing a dual boot, and only have one sound card. I currently do not have sound. Can anyoone help me?
[22:22] <[T]ank> please advise if this is even possible to do in gnome with x in xinerama mode
[22:22] <ArthurArchnix> !sound | tehbatz
[22:22] <ubotu> tehbatz: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:23] <tehbatz> ArthurArchnix: already done that
[22:23] <flowOver> [T]ank:  i have nvidia's xinerama turned on i believe
[22:23] <danand> WhoaItsPhil - try -         Option  "SHMConfig" "on"
[22:23] <ArthurArchnix> tehbatz: Is ubuntu detecting your card?
[22:23] <flowOver> window's open on screen my mouse is on
[22:23] <bascule> WhoaItsPhil: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:24] <[T]ank> flowOver: do you know where to configure that at? I know that it has to be set some how... even if it is in your xorg.conf
[22:24] <[T]ank> i just dont know for sure
[22:24] <[T]ank> mine does not work that way
[22:25] <Slart> mysterycool: I suppose http://www.metasploit.com/ might be a good start
[22:25] <flowOver> [T]ank: n/m i'm using twinview.  i didn't edit the xorg directly.  i used sudo nvidia-settings
[22:25] <mysterycool> slart: i went and they haven't any help documentation :s
[22:26] <Montego> Help Lost sound getting this error message ."No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."
[22:26] <ZPertee> gutsy ok to use now?
[22:26] <subsume> I am attempting to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
[22:26] <subsume> but I am not understanding how to make the client machines link up to this
[22:26] <ArthurArchnix> ZPertee: Gutsy? Yes. Hardy? No.
[22:27] <danand> WhoaItsPhil - no - definately not
[22:27] <bascule> mysterycool: http://metasploit.com/framework/support/ <-- whats that?
[22:27] <ZPertee> ArthurArchnix: ok thanks I haven't used ubuntu in a while
[22:27] <Slart> mysterycool: here some.. and more ways to get in touch with the metasploit people... http://www.metasploit.com/framework/support
[22:27] <danand> WhoaItsPhil - forget that last
[22:28] <danand> WhoaItsPhil - sorry instead try - Option  "SHMConfig" "true"
[22:28] <david__> hi, i am having a sound problem, i cannot use sound by two different programs, i have look into the forums but i am having a hard time, any help?
[22:28] <rinaldi_> hi im using ddrescue to recover a data dvd. after reading the dvd it says "splitting error areas" what does that mean? theres nothing in the documentation
[22:28] <WhoaItsPhil> ok what section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf should I add "Option		"SHMConfig"		"true" to? i tried adding it under the synaptics touchpad identifier but it still didn't work
[22:29] <flowOver> mysterycool: get into network security courses at college
[22:29] <danand> WhoaItsPhil - see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=975421
[22:29] <flowOver> or university if thats better
[22:30] <ntemis> hello
[22:31] <danand> WhoaItsPhil - not you will need to restart X for changes for that file to take effect.
[22:31] <ntemis> totem cannot play dvd's anymore
[22:31] <Montego> need help with sound. was working thus morning . came home now it's not working.
[22:31] <ntemis> any solution
[22:31] <danand> WhoaItsPhil - s/not/note/
[22:31] <WhoaItsPhil> ooh ok
[22:31] <WhoaItsPhil> thanks
[22:31] <WhoaItsPhil> gonna give it a shot brb
[22:32] <ntemis> i can here sound
[22:32] <ntemis> hear
[22:32] <ntemis> but i cannot see video
[22:32] <ntemis> others players are ok
[22:33] <ntemis> xine vlc gxine all ok
[22:33] <Slart> !enter
[22:33] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[22:33] <flowOver> a word to the wise.  last night i installed stumble upon toolbar for firefox.  my system was halting up every 10 min.  i turned it off.  it's fine.
[22:33] <FlyingSquirrel32> I have a tricky network question: I have a small web site, but don't want to pay for a commercial internet connection.
[22:33] <ArthurArchnix> ntemis: Try a reinstall of totem? sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get --reinstall install totem --purge
[22:34] <FlyingSquirrel32> my ISP won't give me a static ip for my residential connection
[22:34] <danand> rinaldi_ - see<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about ddrescue message
[22:34] <ArthurArchnix> ntemis: I think that's the command. I might have the placement of --reinstall wrong.
[22:34] <flowOver> FlyingSquirrel32: you can get a free dns forwarder somewhere i'm sure
[22:34] <Slart> FlyingSquirrel32: sounds like dyndns.org can help you.. clients are available for linux, windows and whatever
[22:35] <flowOver> yeah dyndns is the one
[22:35] <ntemis> -reinstall?
[22:35] <FlyingSquirrel32> the public dhcp lease I get from the ISP says it doesnt expire until 2036, but I've seen it expire about every few days.
[22:35] <nikitis> So I have a question.  If I were to buy a printer (lexmark) like a new one, what are the chances it would work in Linux?
[22:35] <ompaul> FlyingSquirrel32, that could be minutes
[22:35] <Slart> nikitis: with Lexmark.. I'd say bad
[22:35] <nikitis> Slart, really?
[22:36] <danand> FlyingSquirrel32 - visit dyndns.org
[22:36] <Slart> FlyingSquirrel32: take a look at dyndns.org .. it's very handy
[22:36] <nikitis> Slart, what modern day printers would work?
[22:36] <MasterAslan> this is driving me nuts. I can ping all the other computers on the network by host/netbios name.  I can do this from all the other computers on the network.  The only thing is that none of them can ping my gutsy laptop by hostname/netbios
[22:36] <ArthurArchnix> ntemis: two dashes, --reinstall
[22:36] <ntemis> is ok
[22:36] <ntemis> is working
[22:36] <ntemis> ok reinstalled
[22:36] <ntemis> let me try it
[22:36] <Slart> nikitis: Lexmark has a bad track record when it comes to linux and printers.. there are lists available .. let me find an url for you
[22:36] <FlyingSquirrel32> I didn't want to have to pay to transfer my account. Right now it's with Mad Dog
[22:37] <david__> any help with the sound?
[22:37] <ntemis> no
[22:37] <ArthurArchnix> !sound | david
[22:37] <_Lucretia_> Javascript keeps dying on FF, 64-bit
[22:37] <ubotu> david: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:37] <ntemis> the same
[22:37] <ArthurArchnix> ntemis: And other players work?
[22:37] <ntemis> yes
[22:37] <Tu13es> zossso: hey, have you had any luck with the Live RAM thingy?
[22:37] <mathius> hi guys, sorry to jump in, but i am trying to figure out how to get youtube workin on my PPC machine
[22:37] <FlyingSquirrel32> flowOver: dns forwarding is something I hadn't thought of.
[22:37] <ArthurArchnix> ntemis: Totem, that's xine backend isn't it? What other player are you using?
[22:38] <mathius> running hardy
[22:38] <david__> will have a try then
[22:38] <Slart> nikitis: here.. search here before you buy anything.. http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi
[22:38] <nikitis> Slart, thanks ;)
[22:38] <FlyingSquirrel32> But how can I tell my machine to renew (extend) the lease despite the fact that the lease hasnt expired yet?
[22:38] <Slart> nikitis: you're welcome
[22:39] <EminX> I'm having problem trying to install Ubuntu 7.10 on Virtual PC 2007, when I select start Install Ubuntu I get these errors: "isapnp: checksum for device 1 is not valid (0x89)" and "isapnp: checksum for device 2 is not valid (0xbe)", I'v tried solutions found on the forums ( like F4 for lowest vga resolution and vga = 771) but still i'm disapointed, just black screen
[22:39] <zossso> Tu13es: No, but I think it is an issue with size. I get further b/c it reads the data from disk, but runs out of memory (I think)
[22:39] <Slart> FlyingSquirrel32: your dhcp client will do it for you.. why do you want to do it yourself?
[22:39] <sd32> so much for buying a gOS pc
[22:39] <wasabi_> is anyone here using devilspie with awesomewm?
[22:39] <ntemis> gnome Mplayer gxine kaffeine Mplayer movie player vlc xine movie player
[22:39] <ntemis> all ok
[22:39] <aimchanger> EminX: try giving the VM more memory
[22:39] <ntemis> totem not
[22:39] <zossso> Tu13es: I got rid of some packages, but it is still about 1.6GB > memory avail
[22:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> Slart: because the lease 'says' it will last for 30 years, but from experience I know better.
[22:40] <Tu13es> hmm
[22:40] <Ethernal_Flame> Err, Can some one help me i keep getting an:Errors were encountered while processing: hplip hpijs Every time i even try to use Sudo apt-get install or synaptics or the ADD-Remove
[22:40] <Flare183> !enter > ntemis
[22:40] <zossso> Tu13es: So instead, I'm looking into building a smaller filesystem to boot to RAM.
[22:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> Slart: I thought if I could force the machine to renew the lease daily or so, it might hold on to it.
[22:40] <Slart> FlyingSquirrel32: your isp changes your dynamic ip without telling you?
[22:40] <lennart> i am trying to make a script that adds text to the bottom of a file and the file is owned by root, i just cant get it to work, my code goes like this: sudo echo 'some text' >> somefile, i cant get permission to add the text. Anybody please help me?
[22:40] <Flare183> Ethernal_Flame: might be broken packages
[22:41] <Ethernal_Flame> Flare183, How can i fix?
[22:41] <horizxon> where is a good place to ask linux programming questions?
[22:41] <ntemis> any other thoughts?
[22:41] <Ethernal_Flame> its been doing for like a week..
[22:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> Slart: PRECISELY, I didn't think that was possible, but I've seen it happen twice.
[22:41] <Slart> FlyingSquirrel32: you can always do a sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0.. that will give you a *new* ip.. perhaps the same one
[22:41] <lennart> dont know im a noobie
[22:41] <Tu13es> zossso: hrm, how much RAM do you have
[22:41] <Tu13es> ?
[22:41] <Slart> lennart: the sudo thingy only works for the first part.. not the >> thingy.. there are ways around it
[22:42] <tominglis> hi, i installed a driver to the wrong location, and i was wondering how i uninstall it, do i just delete the file?
[22:42] <zossso> 2 GB total, but I don't think it is enough
[22:42] <Flare183> Ethernal_Flame: you can fix it by doing something with dpkg
[22:42] <Scunizi> how do I use cabextract in ubuntu to extract a windows cabinet file?
[22:42] <zossso> Tu13es: 2 GB total, but I don't think it is enough
[22:42] <Flare183> Scunizi: with cabextract
[22:42] <lennart> Slart: Can you please tell me how?
[22:42] <tominglis> i was following these instructions, but they are out of date: http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=HowTo_compile_for_Ubuntu_6.06_LTS
[22:42] <Tu13es> zossso: yeah, that's what I've got too.  I'll look into trimming some packages to see if that helps.
[22:42] <ArthurArchnix> ntemis: Yeah. Open a terminal and type "totem", then open a movie and play it. The see what kind of error messages its giving you.
[22:42] <Scunizi> Flare183, yes.. what's the syntax.. cabextract <filename>?
[22:42] <Tu13es> zossso: let me know if you get anywhere with building it from scratch or let me know if you want meto test anything :)
[22:42] <FlyingSquirrel32> Slart: I might try that, but I imagine the machine will see the lease and assume that it doesn't need to be renewed
[22:42] <Flare183> Scunizi: yeap
[22:43] <Scunizi> Flare183, thanks
[22:43] <ntemis> ok
[22:43] <brianko> any clue how to disable file-roller?  It interferes with any type of download I do with lynx...
[22:43] <ntemis> thanks
[22:43] <Flare183> Scunizi: no problem
[22:43] <djzn> hi... VIDEO question here... anyone knows how to convert a "H.264/AVC"(matroska) file to standard .M2V ???
[22:43] <joobaby> i just switched to ubuntu and it runs SLOW on my computer, I can't get sound from the internet and itw on't play my mp3s, it also took 60 seconds for this to type
[22:43] <Slart> perhaps you can put the "echo 'some text' >> somefile" part into changemyfile.sh and then run "sudo changemyfile.sh" .. it might work
[22:43] <FlyingSquirrel32> Slart: I guess I could modify the lease stored by dhclient...
[22:43] <Slart> Lennart.. see above
[22:43] <ntemis> jackd: not found
[22:43] <Flare183> joobaby: you might need to try Xubuntu
[22:43] <zossso> Tu13es: Sure.  I think Knoppix will boot to ram with no problem, but I'm looking into something smaller. I'll let you know
[22:43] <ntemis> what is this?
[22:43] <ntemis> jackd: not found
[22:44] <Flare183> ntemis: sudo apt-get install jack
[22:44] <joobaby> can i just dl that?
[22:44] <Slart> FlyingSquirrel32: you have, of course, read the man page for the dhclient ? of course.. =)
[22:44] <Flare183> joobaby: yeap
[22:44] <Flare183> !xubuntu | joobaby
[22:44] <ubotu> joobaby: Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels
[22:44] <Tu13es> zossso: sweet :)
[22:44] <Tu13es> zossso: yes, I actually booted knoppix to RAM a few times
[22:44] <netbus> jemand aus deutschland hier
[22:44] <Flare183> !du
[22:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about du - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:44] <bascule> !de
[22:44] <Flare183> crap
[22:45] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[22:45] <Flare183> there you go
[22:45] <Flare183> bascule: thanks
[22:45] <bascule> welcome
[22:45] <Slart> lennart: here are some tips, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-538832.html
[22:45] <FlyingSquirrel32> Slart: yes. every option you could imagine, but I couldn't find any command to simply send the renew message to the server.
[22:45] <ArthurArchnix> ntemis: Irrelevant, I get the same thing but I'm seeing the video.
[22:45] <ntemis> still
[22:45] <ntemis> ackd: not found
[22:45] <zossso> Tu13es: *thinking* if ubuntu was trimmed down a bit, it could possibly work
[22:46] <ntemis>  (totem:6566): WARNING **: Invalid borders specified for theme pixmap:
[22:46] <ntemis>         /home/demetris/.themes/Mac4Lin_GTK_Graphite_v0.4/gtk-2.0/Buttons/button-default.png,
[22:46] <ntemis> borders don't fit within the image
[22:46] <zossso> Tu13es: how long until it drops you to the initfs prompt?
[22:46] <Flare183> !paste | ntemis (get used to it)
[22:46] <ubotu> ntemis (get used to it): pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[22:46] <ArthurArchnix> ntemis:  Alright, change the theme to human and see if you can play the movie.
[22:47] <Tu13es> zossso: hm, not long, maybe 20-30 seconds after selecting it from the boot menu? it shows the Ubuntu loading menu for a bit and then dumps me to it
[22:47] <Tu13es> zossso: I can time it if it'd help
[22:47] <joobaby> what do I need to to do to get old ubuntu off?
[22:47] <zossso> Tu13es: nah, that sounds about right
[22:47] <Flare183> joobaby: sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[22:48] <Flare183> joobaby: just make sure it doesn't break the dependanices of xubuntu-desktop
[22:48] <WhoaItsPhil> i install gsynaptics and got it working...but i disabled tapping because i hate it and its too sensitive...but even with tapping disabled i am still getting super sensitive taps that i do not want
[22:48] <Flare183> joobaby: ok?
[22:48] <Slart> FlyingSquirrel32: hmm.. I've googled quite a bit now.. haven't found a solution so far.. are you sure the dhcp protocol even supports renewing an ip?
[22:48] <wittyphotons> hey which program should i use if i want to play my music directly off of my ipod?
[22:48] <Flare183> !ipod | wittyphotons
[22:48]  * spiderbatdad says, "Hello World!"
[22:48] <ubotu> wittyphotons: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto - See !RockBox for information on liberating your iPod
[22:48] <Slart> !ipod | wittyphotons
[22:48] <dxdt> wittyphotons: I know amarok can for a fact, but I thought that rhythmbox could too
[22:48] <ArthurArchnix> exaile can
[22:48] <Flare183> Slart: hehe got to it before you could
[22:48] <ntemis> NO go
[22:48] <ntemis> sh: jackd: not found again after i changed my theme
[22:48] <juice_> wittyphotons: i use rythmbox or gtkpod
[22:48] <Slart> Flare183: bah.. I have to oil my keyboard ;)
[22:48] <wittyphotons> !RockBox
[22:49] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for audio players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio. See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[22:49] <bascule> limited model selection
[22:49] <ph8> does anyone know much about network cards? Mine literally keeps crashing my machine and i'm wondering if turning off auto-neg (it's at 100mbps) could sort it out - is this a solution I should really push to get in? Turning it off with ethtool at the moment crashes the machine - but i'm thinking that might be expected? It's remote so i can't restart networking :o Would have to add it as a boot script
[22:49] <wittyphotons> yeah but gtkpod and rhythmbox, as far as i can tell, just let me organize or add music to my ipod
[22:49] <WhoaItsPhil> i install gsynaptics and got it working...but i disabled tapping because i hate it and its too sensitive...but even with tapping disabled i am still getting super sensitive taps that i do not want...anyone know anything about this or have any solutions?
[22:49] <wittyphotons> i want to play the music on the ipod, from the ipod
[22:49] <wittyphotons> like i can when i connect it in itunes
[22:50] <juice_> rythmbox
[22:50] <Flare183> Slart: hehe
[22:50] <bascule> exaile or amarok
[22:50] <Slart> ph8: I'd check what module is being used and see if that might be the problem.. perhaps there is an updated module available..
[22:50] <bascule> ph8: what card is it?
[22:50] <joobaby> flare can you further explain sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop?
[22:50] <tominglis> hi, i installed a driver to the wrong location, and i was wondering how i uninstall it, do i just delete the file?
[22:50] <tominglis> i was following these instructions, but they are out of date: http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=HowTo_compile_for_Ubuntu_6.06_LTS
[22:50] <Slart> ph8: I've heard of auto-sense creating connection trouble.. but not crashing a machine
[22:50] <wittyphotons> i'll check out amarok and exaile, thanks
[22:51] <juice_> wittyphotons: i use rythmbox
[22:51] <zossso> Tu13es: Instead of following the directions as they appeared on the web, I only commented out some lines in the 'casper' file
[22:51] <bascule> tominglis: make clean, delete the file .ko if you wish
[22:51] <dxdt> WhoaItsPhil: yeah you can modify the crap out of the synaptic thing.  More than you could imagine.  lemme see if I can find a link to the documentation on it
[22:51] <Flare183> joobaby: by running that command you are removing ubuntu itself
[22:51] <Tu13es> zossso: ah, hm
[22:51] <Slart> tominglis: do you have the source?
[22:51] <ntemis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer/+bug/154028
[22:51] <Tu13es> zossso: well, I'll try the site to see if it makes a difference?
[22:51] <ntemis> i found this bug here
[22:51] <ntemis> any solution?
[22:52] <zossso> Tu13es: commented lines: 568, 570-572
[22:52] <Slart> tominglis: you can follow the same instructions but make the last step 4. sudo make uninstall  and it will hopefully remove all files it installed
[22:52] <joobaby> alright, so I need to dl and burn xbuntu?
[22:52] <Slart> tominglis: oops.. sorry.. 5. sudo make uninstall
[22:53] <zossso> Tu13es: just so `live_dest="ram"`... seemed to work better
[22:53] <Tu13es> zossso: in where?
[22:53] <zossso> Tu13es: /casper/chroot/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper
[22:54] <WhoaItsPhil> dxdt, any luck?
[22:54] <zossso> Tu13es: Then regenerated the initrd.gz as said on website.
[22:54] <ArthurArchnix> For some reason, ubuntuforums will hang when loading and send my cpu into overdrive.
[22:55] <ntemis> and a newbie question
[22:55] <ntemis> how can i remotly connect to another ubuntu gutsy through internet?
[22:55] <Tu13es> zossso: hm, did you see this on the wiki? The stock casper "toram" functionality is broken in Feisty. In addition, even when it worked, it would completely decompress the filesystem into RAM, which requires 3-4x more RAM, and is hence undesired.
[22:55] <Tu13es> zossso: want to take this to PM?
[22:55] <ntemis> what i must use/do?
[22:55] <Slart> ntemis: use vnc or freenx
[22:55] <Slart> !vnc | ntemis
[22:55] <ubotu> ntemis: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[22:55] <Jack_Sparrow> ntemis, rdesktop
[22:55] <dxdt> WhoaItsPhil: /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/ has some of the info I'm looking for, like the files there show some of the options, but it isn't the more comprehensive list I remember....  But there are all sorts of finger pressure high and low and taptime high and low that you can use to get it how you want.
[22:57] <WhoaItsPhil> ok that sounds good...but i thought gsynaptics was supposed to do most of that for me...and it has an option for disabling tapping...but when i click to disable it, it still isn't disabled...tapping still occurs and its very annoying
[22:57] <Administrator__> hello?
[22:57] <dxdt> WhoaItsPhil: http://linux.die.net/man/5/synaptics  has a ton of options that may help.  I've never played with gsynaptics so I'm not sure on that side :-/
[22:57] <Slart> !hi | Administrator__
[22:57] <ubotu> Administrator__: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[22:57] <WhoaItsPhil> ok thanks
[22:58] <tominglis> Slart: thanks loads, presumably i need to change the makefile to the original line that i tried to install it at not the corrected line
[22:58] <Slart> tominglis: yes.. that sounds reasonable
[22:59] <Antje> Im having a problem with my mouse it keeps freezing : O
[22:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> Slart: I found that dhcpcd does have a renew option. Would installing it cause conflicts?
[22:59] <Slart> tominglis: I think almost all scripts that use "make install" also supports "make uninstall"
[22:59] <tominglis> Slart: ok fab, i'll give it a go
[22:59] <Slart> FlyingSquirrel32: isn't that a dhcp *server* ?
[23:00] <Slart> !info dhcpcd
[23:00] <lennart> Slart: ok I get how the form goes, sudo sh -c  'echo "text" >> file', but that doesnt cut it for me, i have to do sudo sh -c  'echo ""*" and some text" >> file', and the "*" makes it a problem???
[23:00] <ubotu> dhcpcd (source: dhcpcd): DHCP client for automatically configuring IPv4 networking. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.0.17-2 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 160 kB
[23:00] <FlyingSquirrel32> Slart: no. DHCPCD= DHCP Client Daemon
[23:01] <Slart> lennart: you might have to escape the " inside the outer ".. so it would be something like this.. echo "\"
[23:01] <Slart> lennart: you might have to escape the " inside the outer ".. so it would be something like this.. echo "\"*\" and some other text"
[23:01] <lennart> okey thanks im gonna try that
[23:01] <FlyingSquirrel32> Slart: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/dhcpcd
[23:01] <Slart> FlyingSquirrel32: ah.. I have no idea if it will conflict with the original client..
[23:02] <rinaldi_> is there a way to shut down ubuntu when a certain process, or terminal app finishes?
[23:02] <Slart> lennart: read about this in the bash man page.. or google for bash help
[23:02] <FlyingSquirrel32> Slart: And I don't know if installing it will really fix the problem . . .
[23:02] <PeP`> hi.. got alittle problem... I get a "VFS cannot open root device "sda2" or 08:02" "please append correct "root=" option kernel panic : vfs : uabl to mount root fs.."
[23:02] <PeP`> but my root fs is on /dev/sda2 :/
[23:02] <dxdt> I'm running that new IcedTea Java substitute for 64 bit people, it isn't too shabby.  It loads really slowly, but once loaded it works fine
[23:03] <Frijolie> anyone know how to get a wifi printer working (Brother HL-2170w)
[23:03] <Slart> FlyingSquirrel32: your main problem is your isp being nasty... this is just a workaround
[23:03] <Frijolie> linuxprinting says it works perfectly
[23:03] <Frijolie> but I can't get it to locate it on my network
[23:04] <h4p0> hi!
[23:07] <ryan_> greetings all
[23:08] <sd32> man that was a waste of my time and dvd's...(showing intrest in the  gOS distro)
[23:11] <subsume> meh. edubuntu should be scrapped and condensed into an upgrade suite. its a dead project
[23:11] <jshriver> good afternoon
[23:11] <jshriver> was freecraft removed from Ubuntu? all I can find is stratagus
[23:11] <ph8> Slart + bascule: It's a d-link, looked like a really nice card - came with different brackets for server mounting etc, overall quite impressed until now - i believe the entire machine shuts down on error
[23:11] <ompaul> subsume, na it is very very much alive
[23:11] <ompaul> just not in your tZ
[23:11] <subsume> ompaul: so. wrong. just go to their IRC channel anytime and see. its crawling.
[23:11] <subsume> tZ?
[23:12] <ompaul> timezone
[23:12] <subsume> oh
[23:12] <iter> who are these loses msging me about ##Linux on dalnet --- please go die
[23:12] <ph8> Slart + bascule: I'm using ubuntu-server with the Xen kernel so i can run VPS, so i unfortunately can't be in front of the machine - i tried disabling autoneg and lost the machine and/or connection earlier
[23:12] <subsume> ompaul: I am on at many times of the day
[23:12] <ph8> would that be expected?
[23:12] <Pici> iter: Its a known issue, the freenode staff are taking care of it.
[23:12] <ph8> should i put an autoneg on boot script up or will that mess up the machine?
[23:12] <ompaul> !dontfeedthetroll
[23:12] <Pici> !feeding the troll
[23:12] <ubotu> The above mess was caused by someone who thought it was funny (they're gone now). Please ignore it completely, since discussing it and making a fuss will only make them think they've reached their "fun" goal.
[23:13] <ompaul> pici thanks
[23:13] <Pici> ompaul: sure thing
[23:13] <ompaul> iter, ^^ not quite on the button but there ya go - their objective is to get people angry at dalnets ##linux
[23:13] <CLLEW> anyone else getting some random process running that has no name?  It shows up in my System Monitor and has no name and always makes a sudden increase in CPU.  System monitor doesnt show how much it is making, but the random CPU spurts only happen when this nameless process goes on.  Is this normal?
[23:13] <ryan_> greetings all
[23:14] <ryan_> is there a channel for WINE issues?
[23:14] <iter> seriously? what a waste, and I don't like going +g for no reason either
[23:14] <Dorwin6> hello :) can anyone help me
[23:14] <Starnestommy> ryan_: I think #winehq
[23:14] <iter> !ask | Dorwin6
[23:14] <ubotu> Dorwin6: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[23:14] <ph8> CLLEW: I would say no, does nothing show up for it in ps faux?
[23:14] <Dorwin6> hi guys , my kubuntu has some problem, when I turned on my computer, it went to desktop then KDE Wallet Service - KDE Daemon hanged, I cant seem to connect my wireless
[23:14] <sd32> !bot
[23:14] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[23:14] <FlyingSquirrel32> Slart: Yes. I agree my ISP is nasty. the worst thing is that the people that sold me the (residential) connection doesnt know what a static IP address is or why it may be needed.
[23:14] <CLLEW> ph8: i am not familiar with a lot of stuff with ubuntu.  what is that?
[23:14] <subsume> Does anyone know the general way a thin client is set up to read a server /opt/thinclient?
[23:14] <Dorwin6> KDE Wallet Service is freezed
[23:15] <teo--> i have installed the original ubuntu firmware and drivers from broadcom 4311 and i can connect to closer network :S with ndiswrapper i can connet to further networks.. why is this heapening?:
[23:15] <ph8> CLLEW: If you hop to the terminal any type 'ps faux' (without the quotes) - see if the process is in there, there's a CPU usage column which might be interesting
[23:15] <Zoiks> Hi guys, I have a raid 5 that seems to have developed a superblock error, anyone have any knowledge on the subject?
[23:15] <FlyingSquirrel32> Slart: Okay, they seem to mingle well together, but I cant see how to get my init scripts to use dhcpcd instead of dhclient.
[23:16] <CLLEW> ph8: well, thing is, the process isnt here anymore...it goes for like a minute then leaves.  I suppose I will have to wait for it to happen again.
[23:17] <CLLEW> it also flickers in and out in the system monitor while it happens.  I will see a blank process (sometimes two even) and in like a second it will be gone, then come back.  all the while the CPU is jumping up
[23:17] <Jack_Sparrow> CLLEW, See if it isn't something like trackerd
[23:17] <Slart> FlyingSquirrel32: there are scripts for the ifup and ifdown events... I can't really remember where... perhaps they are compatible so you can just create a symbolic link in /bin for dhclient
[23:18] <CLLEW> Jack: i was actually thinking that myself.  i just changed teh settings to be less resource intensive and I'll see if that fixes it
[23:18] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[23:18] <CLLEW> it was at max on Indexing speed, so I think that could well be that.  ty for help.  i'll be back to bug if it happens again :D
[23:18] <SubOne> I ran scanModem and found that I have a "HDA Intel Si3054 Modem". How do I determine which one of the modem drivers listed here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto will work with it?
[23:19] <Jack_Sparrow> Dorwin6, KDE specific issues are often better answered in #Kubuntu
[23:19] <Dorwin6> Jack_Sparrow, I tried to ask them there is no respond atm, therefore i ask in here :)
[23:19] <Dorwin6> is there a command to restart everything ? restart the machine didnt work
[23:20] <subsume> Can someone please explain to me how a thin client knows to load from a server's opt/i386 configuration?
[23:20] <LjL> Dorwin6: you mean like reboot?
[23:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> Slart: a link, great idea.
[23:21] <EminX> I'm having problem trying to install Ubuntu 7.10 on Virtual PC 2007, when I select start Install Ubuntu I get these errors: "isapnp: checksum for device 1 is not valid (0x89)" and "isapnp: checksum for device 2 is not valid (0xbe)", I'v tried solutions found on the forums ( like F4 for lowest vga resolution and vga = 771) but still i'm disapointed, black screen
[23:21] <Dorwin6> LjL : if i reboot my machine, when it starts back, everything is back where was before, so if some application are hang before reboot, after reboot they are still hanged
[23:22] <selim> hi
[23:22] <LjL> !session | Dorwin6
[23:22] <ubotu> Dorwin6: To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[23:22] <LjL> Dorwin6: your session is saved when you quit GNOME.
[23:23] <Jack_Sparrow> subsume, Look at the last respose in here and see if it helps with that "SImoulated" modem
[23:23] <subsume> ??? Jack_Sparrow
[23:24] <MFen> anyone else have audio problems when using the nvidia driver?
[23:24] <Dorwin6> LjL : thanks
[23:24] <Jack_Sparrow> subsume, Those are not true modems.. there are soft-modems using the cpu to do the work...
[23:24] <subsume> Jack_Sparrow: what in god's name are you talking about?
[23:24] <Zoiks> Hi guys, I have a raid 5 that seems to have developed a superblock error, anyone have any knowledge on the subject?
[23:26] <MFen> i know raid causes suffering
[23:26] <cody-somerville> Zoiks, Google returned this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/raid-5-superblock-bizzaro-ness-603982/
[23:26] <bazhang> EminX: why not try vmware server; there is a ##windows version iirc
[23:26] <subsume> QUESTION: Can someone please explain how a thin client knows to look for a configuration in a server's /opt?
[23:26] <cody-somerville> Zoiks, and a number of others too :)
[23:26] <mehmet_> what music making programs are there for ubuntu?
[23:27] <SubOne> I ran scanModem and found that I have a "HDA Intel Si3054 Modem". How do I determine which one of the modem drivers listed here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto will work with it?
[23:27] <thruxton> I am having problems with NetworkManager not being able to connect to an open network at my current hotel, booting the laptop to windows is the only way now to get on the net, the wirless card is fine as it connects to my last hotels without issue, is there some way to make NetworkManager verbose with helpful error messages perhaps?
[23:27] <bazhang> EminX: also check the md5 sum and see if that is a corrupt download or a badly burned iso
[23:27] <Jack_Sparrow> SubOne,  Go to terminal and type dmesg | grep ttyS   tell me if you see your modem   subsume tab complete got me...
[23:27] <mehmet_> !music making
[23:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about music making - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:28] <bazhang> thruxton: just try via the command line
[23:28] <SubOne> Jack_Sparrow: nothing outputs
[23:28] <thruxton> bazhang: with network manager or another program?
[23:28] <Zoiks> cody-somerville: i have googled it and have not been able to find a case that exactly resembles my situation
[23:28] <Zoiks> i really cant lose the data on there
[23:28] <Jack_Sparrow> SubOne, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-417135.html   last entry
[23:29] <cody-somerville> Zoiks, Maybe if you told us exactly what the problem was, someone would be able to help you? :)
[23:29] <bazhang> thruxton: go into the terminal and type ifconfig; should give the name of your wireless nic--something like wlan0 or the like; then try sudo dhclient (name of wireless card)
[23:29] <Annirak> I have a router installation running 2.6.22 and a simple iptables NAT on a PIII 733.  The user of this NAT is complaining that when he bypasses the NAT, he gets 4.8Mbps, while he only gets 2.4Mbps through the NAT.  For the purposes of the test, he removed both the NAT and one terminal from the LAN and connected them directly together.  What can I do to reduce the bottleneck?
[23:30] <SubOne> Jack_Sparrow: dont i need to install the drivers first or something?
[23:30] <thruxton> bazhang, ok, I will give that a shot (its wlan0 btw)
[23:30] <Zoiks> cody-somerville: i was just seeing if anyone had any knowledge before I start rattling on about a heap of things
[23:30] <Jack_Sparrow> !dialup
[23:30] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto - Also try disabling/removing KNetworkManager if KDE applications cannot connect using dial-up
[23:31] <bazhang> thruxton: then it would be sudo dhclient wlan0
[23:31] <okkay> !homepna
[23:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about homepna - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:31] <iter> Zoiks: can you assemble/mount the raid?
[23:31] <SubOne> Jack_Sparrow: I am already reading that page didnt you hear my question?
[23:31] <okkay> !pna
[23:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pna - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:31] <okkay> shit
[23:31] <cody-somerville> Zoiks, Generally people respond better to specific questions, FYI :)
[23:31] <Pici> !language | okkay
[23:31] <ubotu> okkay: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:31] <Jack_Sparrow> SubOne, I personally dont bother with those.  hardware modems always work, lin-win modems seldom give me what I need
[23:31] <thruxton> bazhang, thank you, gotta reboot to try it
[23:32] <Zoiks> I have a raid 5 that will not start up cleanly because of a superblock error, If i force it to start in degraded mode, I still cant mount it because it has a bad fs/option/journal etc
[23:32] <okkay> Pici: sorry for that.
[23:32] <Zoiks> cody-somerville: ok
[23:32] <cody-somerville> Zoiks, What is the exact error message? :)
[23:32] <SubOne> Jack_Sparrow, sorry but I'm still a bit confused what i should do
[23:32] <cottima> Hello.  What is MPS table version, and how do I figure out which (1.1 or 1.4) it should be?
[23:33] <Zoiks> what is that site I paste stuff to so i dont get in trouble for flooding cody-somerville?
[23:33] <iter> !pastebin | Zoiks
[23:33] <ubotu> Zoiks: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[23:33] <Zoiks> iter: only assemble in degraded mode cant mount it
[23:33] <Mighty_Penguin> will i have problems with intel core 2 duo, and 4gb ram with ubuntu?
[23:33] <Jack_Sparrow> SubOne, the last entry on that page said they reinstalled the sl-modem package and got it working.  that is where I would start, but other than that.. I cant help ou
[23:34] <SubOne> k ty
[23:34] <kitche> Mighty_Penguin: well you shouldn't considering that linux is POSIX
[23:34] <subsume> Ok...so.... how do ubuntu thin clients know how to look in a server's /opt for a setup?
[23:34] <subsume> Can I please get 3 neurons of attention from someone? =)
[23:34] <consolejockey> question: what controls the frequency of the DHCPREQUEST?
[23:34] <Mighty_Penguin> kitche so no?
[23:34] <Jack_Sparrow> Mighty_Penguin, no should be fine. but as a new user I would suggest you run 32 bit os until you get more familiar
[23:34] <Zoiks> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58307/
[23:34] <Mighty_Penguin> ok thanks
[23:34]  * nickrud looks, but only has 2 neurons available
[23:35] <subsume> Is it so hard to explain? Seems really stupid, simple, and general
[23:35] <Mighty_Penguin> erm, atm i think i'm running 64bit, and i'm fine but this machine has 2gb
[23:35] <tim1> guys please help me with my sound card please. its not available ?
[23:35] <consolejockey> I have a workstation that is connected to a DHCP-enabled wifi modem.  I'm having connectivity problems and when I look at /var/log/syslog I see that every two minutes there is a DHCPREQUEST, followed by an acknowledgement (DHCPACK) followed by a binding to the external address...
[23:35] <consolejockey> I don't htink it should be every two minutes unless it's expiring, no?
[23:36] <tim1> it says. No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[23:36] <consolejockey> and would that be a function of the wifi device or something I can configure in linux?
[23:36] <nickrud> subsume: You're probably not getting an answer cuz there's no one familiar with the thin client around right now
[23:36] <Zoiks> I cant assemble the raid with sdb1 even if I force it
[23:36] <Mighty_Penguin> i didnt know if i would have a problem or not with more than 3gb of ram that is all
[23:36] <cody-somerville> Zoiks, http://search.luky.org/linux-kernel.2005/msg80164.html
[23:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Mighty_Penguin, While there is a ram limit I still suggest 32.. if you want to be a wild man.. install both side by side and dual boot between them
[23:38] <cody-somerville> Zoiks, That fellow used e2fsck to remove the journal and recover
[23:38] <Mighty_Penguin> so, you're just suggesting stick with regular release of Ubuntu instead of amd64?
[23:38] <joobaby> how do you know which version of ubuntu you're running? someone else installed for me
[23:38] <Zoiks> cody-somerville: is there any danger to the data? what about it being part of raid
[23:38] <nickrud> joobaby: lsb_release -a  in a terminal
[23:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Mighty_Penguin,  yes, or like I said you can install both and dual boot between them
[23:39] <cody-somerville> Zoiks, The guy stated that there was no way for him to detect corruption
[23:39] <Spiral_Tail> I realize I may be butting into a lot of conversations, and I'm also way new to this, but umm...
[23:39] <Mighty_Penguin> ok Jack_Sparrow, so the system will boot and work, it just wont know i do have 4gb of ram, and will only use 3gb of ram?
[23:39] <subsume> Spiral_Tail: just ask.
[23:39] <Mighty_Penguin> if this is so, then thats fine, i was just making sure i wouldnt have headaches in the future
[23:39] <WillieDaPimp> what would miro depend on to play movies ?? cause every time i try to watch a movie it acts like its about to start then closes back immediately
[23:39] <Mighty_Penguin> thanks Jack_Sparrow
[23:39] <Spiral_Tail> I turned on "Desktops on a cube" in the desktop effects panel
[23:40] <Jack_Sparrow> Mighty_Penguin, np
[23:40] <cody-somerville> Zoiks, However, removing the superblock journal will not corrupt your data.
[23:40] <Spiral_Tail> and the cube doesn't work correctly at this point
[23:40] <cody-somerville> Zoiks, (to the best of my knowledge)
[23:40] <Jack_Sparrow> Spiral_Tail, Doesnt work isnt very clear
[23:40] <tim1> I have no sound or cards i get the error "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."
[23:40] <cody-somerville> Zoiks, If you're super concerned, I would make an image of the raid before taking any further write operations
[23:40] <tim1> help
[23:40] <subsume> QUESTION: What software needs to be setup on a thin client, in general?
[23:40]  * spiderbatdad is away: "dinner!"
[23:40] <Zoiks> how would i do that?
[23:41] <Spiral_Tail> my apologies, let me elaborate...
[23:41] <Zoiks> cody-somerville: how would i do that?
[23:41] <_Oz_> Spiral_Tail: is it a two-sided pane rather than a cube?
[23:41] <joobaby> for some reason I cant get sound to work on webpages
[23:41] <Spiral_Tail> when I first checked the box for cube to be enabled, it worked fine
[23:41] <Spiral_Tail> after I restarted X, the ctrl-alt-down setup doesn't work
[23:41] <nickrud> subsume: now that I think of it, edubuntu is heavily invested in thin clients, maybe #edubuntu can point you in the right direction
[23:42] <Spiral_Tail> the cube doesn't show an actual rotation animation, which i thought was cool
[23:42] <subsume> nickrud: dead room.
[23:42] <Spiral_Tail> and instead has decided to fade between desktops
[23:42] <cody-somerville> Zoiks, I gotta run for now.  It was pretty active once ...
[23:42] <Spiral_Tail> ctrl + alt + left/right still switches desktops
[23:42] <subsume> nickrud: yeah. always down to two dozen
[23:42] <Zoiks> cody-somerville: ok thanks
[23:42] <credible> Spiral_Tail: feisty's compiz is extremely buggy, you should upgrade to gutsy
[23:43] <Spiral_Tail> heh, i've tried
[23:43] <_Oz_> spiral_tail: make sure you have at least 2 desktops (4 is needed for a cube) set up under "General" in advanced desktop settings
[23:43] <Spiral_Tail> I'm too noob to figure out how to report the error I get
[23:43] <nickrud> gutsy's compiz is really buggy on ati
[23:43] <WillieDaPimp> miro gives me this error : /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/miro/frontend_implementation/Application.py:45: GtkWarning: gtk_window_set_transient_for: assertion `parent == NULL || GTK_IS_WINDOW (parent)' failed gtk.main()
[23:43] <Spiral_Tail> allow me to go grab the exact message I recieve
[23:43] <Spiral_Tail> it shouldn't take long
[23:43] <fabio> yes
[23:43] <_Oz_> Spiral_Tail: oh, wait...  you're running feisty? and is it an ATI card?
[23:43] <fabio> depending on what ati
[23:44] <Spiral_Tail> _Oz_: I am running feisty, but am blissfully unaware of what an ATI card is
[23:44] <zelrikriando> hello all
[23:44] <hischild> Spiral_Tail, the counterpart of nvidia
[23:44] <_Oz_> Spiral_Tail: okay, the first order of biz is upgrading to gutsy.  after that, you need to determine if you have an ATI brand video card (such as a radeon).  there are many ATI bugs in compiz.
[23:44] <fabio> lspci
[23:44] <Jack_Sparrow> Spiral_Tail, How did you install compiz?  From where?  ANy script etc?
[23:45] <hischild> what's the command to add users to a group?
[23:45] <Spiral_Tail> I have to assume compiz is the cube
[23:45] <_Oz_> Spiral_Tail: check back with us after you do those two things, because until you're in gutsy and we're sure which type of card you have, we won't really be able to effectively help you.
[23:45] <fabio> more than that
[23:45] <Jack_Sparrow> Spiral_Tail, cube is part of compiz.. yes
[23:45] <_Oz_> !adduser | hischild
[23:45] <Spiral_Tail> alright, my apologies
[23:45] <bazhang> Spiral_Tail: any third party scripts to do that?
[23:45] <ubotu> hischild: To add new users to your Ubuntu system, follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto - For administrative privileges, users need to be made members of the group "admin" - See !sudo
[23:45] <Spiral_Tail> brb with an error message for you guys ^^
[23:45] <fabio> there are 3 drivers for ati cards
[23:46] <fabio> radeon radeonhd and fglrx
[23:46] <will__> hello
[23:46] <nickrud> hischild: adduser user group
[23:46] <Spiral_Tail> so far as I know, I've never installed/added compiz
[23:46] <will__> are you italian ?
[23:46] <hischild> nickrud, thanks
[23:46] <Spiral_Tail> it was there when I got this setup
[23:46] <hischild> _Oz_, same for you :-)
[23:46] <fabio> yes i am
[23:46] <bazhang> will__: you need the italian channel?
[23:46] <EminX> People as I know, I tried too hard and finally I put my hands up and surrenda, there is no way for Ubuntu 7.10 to work on Virtual PC 2007, damn that sucks
[23:46] <joobaby> how do I fix the conflict between gstreamer extra plugins and whatever default software comes on ubuntu?
[23:47] <Jack_Sparrow> fabio, aiglx too
[23:47] <joobaby> I can't play the mp3 files off my iaudio
[23:47] <EminX> g'night everyone and thanx a lot
[23:47] <bazhang> EminX: try vmware server and also check the iso (md5) and burn speed of the disk
[23:47] <LuNaTiK_> d
[23:47] <bazhang> EminX: as I said earlier
[23:47] <EminX> bazhang: I did it on innotek VBox
[23:47] <Jack_Sparrow> EminX, Try it without running it under windows..
[23:47] <bazhang> EminX: it works fine; must be an issue with your iso or burn speed
[23:47] <danand> !mp3 | joobaby
[23:47] <EminX> Jack_Sparrow: I'll do it
[23:48] <ubotu> joobaby: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[23:48] <will__> bazhang: please tell me a italian channel
[23:48] <will__> it's very important !
[23:48] <Jack_Sparrow> !IT
[23:48] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[23:48] <rhineheart_m> I have this issue... samba seems congesting my LAN...any idea?
[23:48] <hischild> bazhang, it's >> microsoft << virtual pc ... i think that's the reason why it's so hard to get it working
[23:48] <will__> thanks ubotu
[23:48] <bazhang> will__: /join #ubuntu-it
[23:48] <EminX> bazhang:  no way I did it on innotek VBox and it works perfect
[23:48] <Izzi> hello I am trying to re install windows on laptop
[23:48] <hischild> EminX, virtualbox and virtual pc are 2 completely different programs
[23:48] <Izzi> alongsides of ubuntu
[23:48] <fabio> windows ?
[23:48] <bazhang> EminX: then why the worry about VPC? it is flawed software imo
[23:48] <EminX> hischild:  I know that
[23:49] <Izzi> for some web development I have to do
[23:49] <fabio> why ?
[23:49] <Jack_Sparrow> Izzi, you will need to reinstall grub when you are done... at the least
[23:49] <EminX> bazhang: I need that, in my classes
[23:49] <Izzi> okay
[23:49] <Izzi> I repartitioned my harddrive
[23:49] <fabio> iexplorer ?
[23:49] <Izzi> so I have 20 gig free
[23:49] <levander> Is http://rdesktop.org giving a blank page for everyone?
[23:49] <EminX> bazhang: thanx, and g'night
[23:49] <Izzi> does anyone in here have any experience with that sort of thing?
[23:50] <Jack_Sparrow> Izzi, If you added partitions below ubuntu you will have some additional twealing to do to get it right
[23:50] <EminX> g'night everyone and thanx a lot
[23:50] <Mighty_Penguin> levander yes
[23:50] <Spiral_Tail> Could not calculate the upgrade
[23:50] <Spiral_Tail> A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[23:50] <Spiral_Tail> Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bugreport.
[23:50] <Spiral_Tail> help
[23:50] <Spiral_Tail> lol
[23:50] <Izzi> Jack_Sparrow, such as?
[23:50] <Jack_Sparrow> Spiral_Tail, How did you install compiz?  From where?  ANy script etc?
[23:50] <danand> rhineheart_m - did you set socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 in your /etc/samba/smb.conf file? thats known to help speed samba up on gnu/linux boxes. hope that helps
[23:50] <Spiral_Tail> also typo, should be AN unresolvable problem
[23:50] <levander> Mighty_Penguin: thanks
[23:51] <Mighty_Penguin> levander using firefox it does, and using also on internet explorer it does
[23:51] <Mighty_Penguin> yep
[23:51] <Spiral_Tail> I did not install Compiz. If I did, I did it unknowingly through update manager
[23:51] <micole> so is everyone having a problem updating then?
[23:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Spiral_Tail, ANd you are running feisty?
[23:51] <joobaby> can someone link me to like a common command list?
[23:51] <levander> Is rdesktop ever as good as sitting at the console of a Windows computer?  I'm playing with it here and I don't know if the video artifacts I'm seeing are my weird setup, or just the way rdesktop does things?
[23:51] <joobaby> like the one that reboots ubuntu without restarting the system
[23:52] <bazhang> joobaby: for doing what
[23:52] <Mighty_Penguin> joobaby http://www.pixelbeat.org/cmdline.html
[23:52] <bazhang> joobaby: you want to logout?
[23:52] <joobaby> ty penguin
[23:52] <Spiral_Tail> yes
[23:52] <Spiral_Tail> lol
[23:52] <Jack_Sparrow> levander, It is slow, but surprisingly good with the right video configuration
[23:52] <fabio> debian has a newer version od compiz fusion !
[23:52] <sd32> can you use ubuntu with a usb modem?
[23:52] <benzs_s> i use ubuntu and decided i wanted to give kubuntu a try, so i installed kubuntu-desktop but now i would like to remove it... is there a proper way of doing things? or is it just about opening synaptic and selecting remove on 'kubuntu-desktop'?
[23:53] <fabio> i'm using a smartphone as a modem
[23:53] <fabio> and i let you know a microsoft usb modem
[23:53] <credible> Spiral_Tail: fixing the bug in feisty's compiz that you're seeing is pretty easy though, run 'gconf-editor', and navigate to /apps/compiz/core/screen0/options, and set number_of_desktops to 1 and hsize to 4
[23:53] <Spiral_Tail> ok
[23:53] <sd32> fabio: thats fab
[23:54] <Spiral_Tail> i shall attempt that
[23:54] <Spiral_Tail> lol
[23:54] <sd32> :-) couldnt resist
[23:54] <levander> Jack_Sparrow: How do I go about getting the right video configuration?
[23:55] <windows_> how cna i install java 1.5 for frostwire to work?
[23:55] <Jack_Sparrow> levander, I did it with trial and error until I got a res that worked.  Sorry I dont have an easy answer..
[23:55] <Jack_Sparrow> !java
[23:55] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[23:55] <levander> Jack_Sparrow: so, it's mostly desktop resolution on the machine you're rdesktop'ing into?
[23:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Spiral_Tail, Try to think about how it got installed..  or post your sources.list for us to take a peek
[23:56] <joobaby> I installed ubuntu-restricted-extras but still luck playing my mp3s
[23:56] <windows_> ubotu i tryed to install it but when i run froswire through terminal it syas your java is old
[23:56] <Jdaniels> hello all, I have a problem that I somehow created while trying to install Java Runtime. It seems now I cannot use any browser for long with out it crashing, no error message. The forums on similar topics of 2+ years old.
[23:56] <Spiral_Tail> sources.list?
[23:56] <Jack_Sparrow> levander, It was more on the machine and config or where I was.. not the remote
[23:56] <Spiral_Tail> apps/compiz/plugins/cube/
[23:57] <arizalord> hi... i'm without gnome panels.. does somebody know how i can add new panels?
[23:57] <Spiral_Tail> right click?
[23:57] <westjd> How do i make windows XP the default for grub?
[23:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Spiral_Tail, gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and put it in the pastebin for us to check.
[23:57] <bazhang> !resetpanels > arizalord read the pm from the bot
[23:57] <IRSeekBot_spys> I think you might get the Java stuff by doing sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Spiral_Tail, Please do not paste into the channel
[23:58] <sdfewfs> i'm so close to my idea! but it's not working!!!
[23:58] <adekoba> i have a webpage on a remote shared-host, but I cannot access the apache logs. How can I log the number of downloads or somehow get a hit-count for all files (i.e., not just html/php pages)? I have cgi-bin access, btw.
[23:58] <windows_> ubotu is a robot??????
[23:58] <Jack_Sparrow> yes
[23:59] <windows_> omg ive been toalking to a robot
[23:59] <windows_> weird
[23:59] <arizalord> bazhang, excuse me... do i type this on console?
[23:59] <sd32> !bot
[23:59] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[23:59] <bazhang> arizalord: yes in the terminal ;]
[23:59] <jonathan_> koi
[23:59] <arizalord> ok.. thx!.. i'll try!