[01:16] <[Neurotic]> Hi! I'm looking for the source for http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.17.1-utopic/ - I *think* I found it in git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-utopic.git under the unstable branch (I see there is a commit to rebase against 3.17). Is that correct?
[08:46] <apw> [Neurotic], nope, there is no branch for the mainline builds; they are made from the base commit (see COMMIT) and the patches there
[08:46] <apw> in the same directory with the binaries
[09:32] <[Neurotic]> apw: Sorry, not understanding what the "base commit" is - is that in the kernel.ubuntu git repository? or are you referring to the mainline linux kernel repository?
[09:33] <apw> [Neurotic], the base commit is the commit listed in COMMIT which is found in either linus' tree or the stable tree in those (mostly)
[09:33] <[Neurotic]> apw: (thanks for answering though)
[09:33] <apw> for v3.17.1 clearly that is a stable version, which is therefore in the stable tree
[09:34] <[Neurotic]> apw: But there is no tag for v3.17.1 in the utopic git repo
[09:34] <[Neurotic]> I am looking at the cloned git repository now, and I can't see anything to match it up to
[09:35] <[Neurotic]> (thanks for your help btw, much appreciated apw )
[09:35] <[Neurotic]> ...so I'm guessing it's a v3.17.1 tag in linus's tree then?
[09:36] <[Neurotic]> Which I'm assuming is this: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/v3.17
[09:39] <apw> nope, v3.17.1 which is in the stable tree
[09:40] <apw> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git
[09:41] <[Neurotic]> aaah
[09:42] <[Neurotic]> I would never have found that on my own - much appreciaed
[10:19] <mvo> hi, does anyone have concerns if I remove some kernels (like linux-dove, details under http://paste.ubuntu.com/8800923/) from platform.vivid ? AFAICT these kernels are no longer in utopic or vivid and some not even in trusty.
[10:20] <infinity> mvo: Go nuts.  Just make sure there are no transitional metapackages you're removing.
[10:20] <infinity> mvo: Though, if there are (for, say, omap or highbank), that would be a bug, as they should have been dropped post-trusty.
[10:20] <mvo> infinity: ok, I check.
[10:21] <infinity> mvo: That said, that file is pretty much a lie anyway, as we don't build any bootable images for armhf.
[10:21] <mvo> infinity: while you are here … ogra_ suggested that I ask if you might have a idea why https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-system-image fails to build armhf - well, it fails because it tries to install linux-mx5 and linux-omap
[10:21] <infinity> mvo: The icky regex in supported-kernel-common is more interesting.
[10:22] <mvo> infinity: the linux-omap might come from the seeds, but I can't find anything linux-mx5 rleeated
[10:22] <ogra_> thats long gone
[10:22] <mvo> infinity: oh, I haven't touched this one yet :)
[10:22] <ogra_> was mx5 even there for more than one release ?
[10:22] <ogra_> (in the archive i mean)
[10:22] <ogra_> iirc that was just to please linaro
[10:23] <infinity> mvo: That failure has nothing to do with seeds at all.
[10:23] <mvo> infinity: all livecd-rootfs releated?
[10:23] <infinity> mvo: It's because you're not selecting a kernel (or "none")
[10:23] <infinity> mvo: And live-build is picking a default for you.
[10:23] <infinity> functions/defaults.sh:			LB_LINUX_FLAVOURS="${LB_LINUX_FLAVOURS:-mx5 omap}"
[10:24] <mvo> woah, thanks
[10:24] <mvo> silly me for not looking into live-build and only into livecd-rootfs
[10:24] <mvo> thanks infinity \o/
[10:24] <infinity> mvo: See livecd-rootfs config.
[10:25] <infinity> mvo:         ubuntu-server|ubuntu-core|ubuntu-touch)
[10:25] <infinity>                                 KERNEL_FLAVOURS=none
[10:25] <infinity> mvo: That's what you want if you want to be kernel-free.  Just add your flavour to that case.
[10:25] <infinity> mvo: Or if you want a kernel, specify one there.
[10:26] <mvo> infinity: hm, our flavor is ubuntu-core, but I think I know enough to fix it now, thanks again
[10:26] <infinity> mvo: There's already a system-image sub-case in that case.
[10:26]  * ogra_ wishes the livecd-sh script back ... live-build is such a beast
[10:26] <infinity> mvo: You just didn't add KERNEL_FLAVOURS=generic
[10:26] <ogra_> *livecd.sh
[10:26] <infinity> mvo: (Assuming you want a kernel, which seems to have been your intent)
[10:27] <mvo> infinity: right, I think I did in the PPA but we don't have arm support in the ppa yet, I will use the archive until we get that. (and yes, we want a kenrel :)
[10:27] <mvo> kernel even
[10:28] <infinity> mvo: Anyhow, clean up the cruft in the seeds if you want, but it won't make a difference here, that's all no-ops.
[10:28]  * mvo nds
[10:28]  * mvo nods
[10:34] <infinity> mvo: You might want "add_package install flash-kernel u-boot-tools" too.
[10:35] <mvo> infinity: thanks, I will add that!
[10:35] <infinity> mvo: The armhf case that would naturally follow the amd64 case for grub-pc.
[10:36] <mvo> infinity: right
[10:37] <mvo> infinity: thanks for your help here, my arm experience is still limited, so I'm thankful for those hints
[13:22] <Kano> hi, is there a git for linux-firmware-nonfree?
[13:33] <apw> Kano, do not believe so
[13:33] <Kano> why not
[13:34] <Kano> did you try overlayfs for live?
[13:42] <apw> because the archive is definative for that package
[13:42] <apw> we default to overlayfs for live
[13:43] <Kano> so casper already boots with it?
[13:43] <apw> yes
[13:44] <Kano> where is the git?
[13:44] <apw> for?
[13:44] <Kano> casper
[13:44] <Kano> what to see the changes
[13:44] <apw> i believe that is in bzr, in the udd branches
[13:46] <Kano> ubuntus website is really bad compared to debian, there you see git/svn directly
[13:47] <apw> could be
[13:47] <Kano> i mean the packages.ubuntu.com
[13:49] <Kano> and fully outdated, vivid is not mentioned, utopic not default and if that is the right bzr it has no 1.345
[13:49] <Kano> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/casper/vivid/changes/1144?start_revid=1144
[13:50] <Kano> cant you use git...
[13:50] <apw> not yet
[19:42] <hallyn> apw: holy cow.  i only just noticed that overlayfs has been merged.  woot
[19:43] <hallyn> stgraber: ^
[19:44] <stgraber> hallyn: oh, I heard about the pull request, didn't realize it was actually accepted this time, nice!
[19:44] <stgraber> now maybe more people will care about making it suck less :)
[21:41] <apw> stgraber, yep maybe


[02:56] <webchat30> screen -X fg 1
[02:56] <webchat30> -X: unknown command 'fg'
[02:57] <webchat30> I am aware "fg" is a bash builtin rather than an executable. Any way I can gotdamn force it to passthrough as a command into my GNU screen though?
[02:58] <sarnold> I'm pretty sure -X is only for *screen* commands, not executables
[02:58] <sarnold> what do you want to happen?
[02:59] <webchat30> I keep disconnecting for unclear reasons sorry
[02:59] <webchat30> I want to run "screen -X fg 1" outside of my GNU screen which should run the command inside my GNU screen. But it declines on account of it's a bash builtin
[03:00] <sarnold> webchat30: but which window would you want it to run in?
[03:01] <webchat30> This some sort of registration requirement? Man this kicking is bad. I'm sorry
[04:04] <spinningcat> hey i made www's folder owner www-data and i changed the group's owner to www-data but i cannot view content of that folder when i am in regular use. What should do i more?
[04:16] <V3n3RiX> add permissions for others ... aka chmod 775 folder
[04:16] <V3n3RiX> and for the files within the folder chmod 664
[04:18] <spinningcat> let me do that
[04:19] <spinningcat> done
[04:20] <spinningcat> what was the permissin 1 i forgot that
[04:21] <V3n3RiX> 775 = read write execute for owner and the group plus read and execute for others
[04:21] <V3n3RiX> so you can see the content of the folder as regular user
[05:50] <marbling> Naive question about live ISOs: if there's no firewall enabled by default and no root password how secure are users while online from inbound traffic? I used a mi-fi device which has no exposed firewall rules/UI so I have no idea what barrier it by itself has.
[05:51] <marbling> since from things I've read since it seems the philosophy behind Ubuntu's lack of default firewalling is if root has to authenticate, but live ISOs don't have that afaict
[05:54] <guiverc> marbling, Ubuntu media doesn't have root enabled so it can't directly be used (it has an invalid/empty password so login cannot occur due error; it's more than empty as it's invalid)
[05:56] <marbling> guiverc, hmm, maybe I'm misunderstanding how sudo is possible. With regard to inbound traffic do you know how that would be handled by default or would that be solely up to the router?
[06:14] <guiverc> marbling, sudo is not disabled, so you can `sudo -i` for example.. but not login to root from remote/local (except via an existing account via `sudo`)... it's the intention.
[06:15] <guiverc> you can switch-user to 'root' but not login to 'root' due to error (invalid passwd existing that cannot be keyed in)
[09:09] <fling> Is there a known bug about zsys not creating new snapshots after a revert until I reboot?
[09:27] <jj_> Hi
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> welcome jj_
[09:38] <saloug> hi I have a bit of a network problem on ubuntu 18
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> !ask | saloug
[09:41] <saloug> when both wired and wireless connections where on, couldn't load any pages, when disabling the wireless could connect. Found a workaround to change to custom DNS. However I am experiencing slow load times. Please note that I need both wired and wireless on. Thanx (hope it makes sense)
[09:42] <fling> how to debug zsys not creating snapshots?
[09:42] <fling> in apt ^
[09:48] <guiverc> saloug, you should be specific on release details; there is no Ubuntu 18, so do you mean Ubuntu Core 18?
[09:49] <saloug> sorry guiverc, Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[09:50] <guiverc> I'd update your system fully first & re-try.. a fully upgraded bionic (18.04) system should report as 18.04.5 and not 18.04.4
[09:51] <guiverc> a 18.04.4 system means you may not have fully upgraded since before 2020-08-14 (when 18.04.5 ISO was released; installed systems upgrade before then; https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/08/14/ubuntu-18-04-5-lts-released/)
[09:52] <saloug> thanx guiverc, I am actually trying to but it says failed, check your internet connection
[09:54] <guiverc> I'd be checking hardware; as you're reporting issues that should have existed since before August-2020 given your system level... meaning it can't be an upgrade (if what you said is correct), so I'd be checking your hardware or something that has changed in almost last-year...
[09:58] <saloug> I was thinking about it since the wireless is a usb stick, to check with bios settings perhaps or completely replace it
[09:59] <Guest7> Hi, don't know where to really ask this question so shooting it here
[09:59] <Guest7> I have windows tool which is used to communicate with the hid i2c based touchscreen ( specifically for firmware upgrade ). I want to reverse engineer this to find out the details about the hid reports and hid descriptors
[09:59] <Guest7> Does anyone know which tool to use in this case?
[10:00] <guiverc> Guest7, what has that to do with Ubuntu?
[10:02] <Guest7> guiverc, nothing specifically except that I am running the tool over Ubuntu.
[10:33] <mrvdv> hey guys. what command can i use if say i want USER to not access the /etc/passwd so meaning they can't pico passwd to see the list/dirs etc
[10:39] <guiverc> mrvdv, i believe all users need read access to that; they'll risk losing all access to features as their access can't be looked up .. passwords aren't stored there anyway
[10:41] <guiverc> mrvdv, I recall GNU discussions long ago about those rights... if a user shouldn't have read access to it; the GNU belief was the user shouldn't be trusted to logon..
[10:42] <mrvdv> its just a preference i wanna do.. its too complicated for me for setting only them to allow to their /home dir
[10:42] <fling> mrvdv: try containers like lxd
[10:47] <mrvdv> error: Unable to talk to LXD: Get http://unix.socket/1.0: read unix @->/var/lib/lxd/unix.socket: read: connection reset by peer
[10:50] <mrvdv> mind you im doing this in terminal
[10:50] <mrvdv> as its a vps
[11:08] <fling> Can't I add zsys functionality to a headless server cloud image?
[11:08] <fling> Should I use a desktop installer anyway?
[11:32] <webchat62> Hi , I want my nginx server that works with www-data , when create directory its permission be 664 not 644
[11:32] <webchat62> so I used umask, but my own user works correctly but not www-data
[11:45] <rbasak> webchat62: try https://stackoverflow.com/q/11584021/478206 maybe?
[12:00] <fling> How to properly prevent certain packages from upgrading? Should I use pinning?
[12:05] <rbasak> fling: yes, but please understand that it's dangerous to do that because you'd also be blocking security updates. And that's hostile to others, not just yourself.
[12:15] <goddard> so how do i see why my computer locked up?
[12:20] <steve_> start scanning through the logs around the time of lockup.
[12:48] <goddard> any easy way to know why a lockup happened if you don't know when it happened
[12:48] <goddard> like over night
[12:48] <goddard> i come back to my computer and it is locked up
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> goddard: journalctl -f is handy to keep running to see whats going on
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:19] <cbreak> are Nvidia or AMD gpus better supported by Ubuntu? ... just preparing for when they're actually available and affordable again :/
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> cbreak: i dont think we can generalize brands like that
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> cbreak: we often see bugs arise on specific hardware models on a specific kernel
[13:27] <cbreak> I'm using exclusively nvidia cards at work because of cuda, so I have to deal with closed binary blob drivers, I don't know AMD's, are they similar?
[13:29] <dreamcat4> does anybody know the new package name for 'gnome-go' in ubuntu?
[13:29] <dreamcat4> because it dissapeared after18.04
[13:31] <cbreak> you sure it was even in 18.04? https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnome-go&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> cbreak: depending on the ati/amd card radeon or amdgpu module should just work out of the box, but we see latest/newest models benefit some latest kernels in some cases/bugs
[13:33] <cbreak> hmm, alright, thanks lotuspsychje
[13:34] <cbreak> so I'll have to revisit this question with specifics once actual GPUs manifest themselves in the real world
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> cbreak: you can also install drivers from ati, but on the ubuntu community we dont really reccomend that
[13:43] <BluesKaj> yeah, the next kernel upgrade would break your system
[13:45] <mrvdv> whats the command to make users not be able to access each others /home dir
[13:45] <calmarti> Hi
[13:46] <calmarti> I'm having frequent crashes when playing a video + using other apps
[13:47] <calmarti> i've tried to get the logs by pressing altsysr + cntrl +1 and hten altsys + cntrl +t
[13:47] <calmarti> not sure how to check if I actually got the logs of the crashes, does anyone know where and how to look at?
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | mrvdv
[13:50] <mrvdv> last time i played with chmod, it didnt end well
[13:51] <calmarti>  I wiill read the docs for sure, thanks  a lot!
[13:54] <calmarti> is it mvrdv or mrvdv?
[13:55] <calmarti> oh ok
[13:55] <calmarti> thought it was part of the command, lol
[13:57] <Sebz> lol
[14:37] <webchat19> ran "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall", pc no longer boots
[14:37] <webchat19> Volume group "vgkubuntu" not found, its an encrypted install
[14:38] <webchat19> it does not ask me for decrypt key anyone when i boot, and just fails to boot
[14:41] <ioria> webchat19, you can try to boot Recovery mode, root shell and then run 'sudo update-initramfs -u -k all'
[14:42] <webchat19> sudo not found
[14:42] <ioria> webchat19, are you in recovery mode atm?
[14:43] <webchat19> go to recovery option on boot menu, cannot process volume group vgkubuntu (encrypted LVM)
[14:43] <webchat19> (encrypted LVM) i added, as it is encrypted
[14:44] <webchat19> then it gives up
[14:44] <webchat19> goes to (initramfs) where i can enter a command
[14:45] <ioria> webchat19, then you need a livecd
[14:45] <webchat19> what, chroot into it from it?
[14:46] <ioria> yes
[14:46] <webchat19> worth a try
[14:46] <webchat19> currently remembering very well what Linus said about nvidia...
[14:47] <ioria> webchat19, do you have nvidia ?
[14:47] <webchat19> yeah, was updating drivers due to getting new screen and didnt have correct res options, annoyingly i managed to get it working just as it borked
[14:47] <webchat19> problem wasnt even software based...
[14:48] <ioria> webchat19, then , when in chroot, purge nvidia and then run sudo update-initramfs -u -k all
[14:48] <ioria> webchat19, just to give you an idea : https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/recovering-from-unbootable-ubuntu-encrypted-lvm-root-partition/
[14:56] <webchat19> cryptsetup-initramfs was not installed.. wonder if that was the problem
[14:58] <webchat19> Not what I was hoping for with getting a 1440/144hz screen XD  oh well
[14:59] <hughrawlinson> Anyone still having clipboard issues on Wayland on 21.04? For me it seems like Firefox and any app that's a wrapped web view copies something unpastable into the clipboard buffer and causes things to hang when I paste into them. Had no luck googling - only found old closed issues, but I'm sure everything's up to date.
[15:00] <Sebz> webchat19 are you just trying to get the panel to run at 144hz?
[15:00] <webchat19> The actual problem: DP-HDMI cable I was using was never going to output 144hz
[15:00] <webchat19> Using HDMI-HDMI that it came with works fine, I found that out at the same time I broke it
[15:00] <webchat19> tried changing nvidia drivers
[15:01] <Sebz> Have you tried displayport instead?
[16:12] <SofS> I am using Ubuntu LXDE 18.04 on a side notebook. It has been quite a while since I used it but it is working. When I tried to check the Software Updater it detected a number of updates but when it should ask me for the sudo password it crashed. Sudo on the command line is working fine. What package is responsible for the sudo password prompt gui?
[16:20] <EriC^^> SofS: i think it's 'pkexec'
[16:20] <EriC^^> SofS: pkexec is from the policykit-1 package
[16:29] <calmarti> hi
[16:31] <calmarti> I have focal-fossa already installed but want to boot ubuntu from a live usb in order to do a checkfile, I tried the option 'boot from efi file' but it shows 2 different options and don't want to screw up
[16:32] <calmarti> one option is a long alphanumeric string that somewhere says ubuntu20.4 and the other just has a string but no idea what it means
[16:32] <calmarti> all this appears when I call the uefi menu by hitting shift when booting
[16:35] <calmarti> does anyone have any suggestion ?
[16:36] <calmarti> is there another way to boot ubuntu from a live usb  on a machine that already has Ubuntu installed on its hard drive?
[16:37] <Alabalistic> the boot have not much to do with the existing hard drives
[16:38] <Alabalistic> live env is isolated from what you have, after you boot and running accessing files on the drive is question of filesystems and permissions
[16:39] <calmarti> thanks
[16:39] <Ringtailed-Fox> Alabalistic, his BIOS might be configured to use his hard drive as the first boot device. he may have to change it to USB or something else :)
[16:39] <Ringtailed-Fox> but that's more of a hardware configuration thing than an ubuntu thing
[16:39] <calmarti> yep ringtailed-fox I now remember there used to be an option in BIOS to do that
[16:39] <Alabalistic> calmarti:  share the goal fo your exercise
[16:39] <calmarti> to choose the boot device
[16:40] <Ringtailed-Fox> what motherboard/BIOS do you have?  becuase i can help walk you through it if you need help
[16:40] <calmarti> let me see
[16:40] <Ringtailed-Fox> even model of machine if it's something like a Hewlett-Packard
[16:41] <SofS> Policykit is installed and pkexec seems to be working, what could be causing the GUI prompt to not work?
[16:41] <Ringtailed-Fox> SofS, if it's running as a service/daemon, it might not need to ask you for root permissions
[16:41] <calmarti> this is the output from inxi: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6V7rjk5K62/
[16:41] <Ringtailed-Fox> same as if it's running as a regular user program... no elevation needed
[16:42] <calmarti> I do need help, thanks ringtailed
[16:42] <Ringtailed-Fox> that just shows your processor type
[16:42] <calmarti> it's an hp laptop
[16:42] <Ringtailed-Fox> *nods*
[16:42] <Ringtailed-Fox> do you see a model name or number or somethign on the bottom or lid?
[16:42] <Ringtailed-Fox> usually you can access BIOS during boot by pressing F10 or F8 or Escape or DEL...
[16:42] <EriC^^> calmarti: you should be able to press f9 when the pc boots, then choose "usb" or "uefi usb" to boot the live usb
[16:42] <Ringtailed-Fox> exactly
[16:42] <calmarti> let me sess ringtailed, brb
[16:43] <Ringtailed-Fox> okie
[16:45] <Ringtailed-Fox> any luck, calmarti ?
[16:46] <SofS> The real issue is that whatever needs the GUI sudo promt is crashing. Just tested a number of other things. Launching them from the command line with sudo works. I am updating this way as I type this.
[16:49] <calmarti> Eric, when I hit shift when booting I get a UEFI menu which is a lot different from the BIOS menu I got the first time I boot (with a FREEDos) just before installing Ubuntu
[16:49] <calmarti> Ringtailed i'm still trying to find the damn name of the HP, i know for sure the series start with 15 something
[16:49] <EriC^^> calmarti: what about when you press "f9" ?
[16:50] <calmarti> for the time being I collected some data from running lshw
[16:50] <calmarti> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R33X65pc5n/
[16:50] <calmarti> in case it helps
[16:50] <calmarti> I'm going to keep looking for the laptop model
[16:50] <calmarti> haven't tried that Eric, but will
[16:50] <EriC^^> calmarti: if you just want to run fsck, i think you can do that from the recovery menu in ubuntu (your installed one)
[16:51] <EriC^^> grub>advanced>recovery  then choose fsck, i think it should work cause it hasnt mounted anything read-write by that point, worth a shot anyhow
[16:52] <calmarti> got it, it's a  HP Laptop 15s-fq2xxx
[16:53] <calmarti> I found out by using dmidecode
[16:54] <calmarti> Eric I already have data and software installed ,been using the laptop for 2 months now
[16:54] <calmarti> oh I see what you mean, that at the booting point hasnt mounted anything
[16:54] <calmarti> got it , got it
[16:54] <EriC^^> yup
[16:55] <calmarti> I already tried entering grub / access as root then on prompt: fsck -f /
[16:55] <calmarti> it refused
[16:55] <calmarti> says the drive is mounted or somethng
[16:56] <EriC^^> there should be a menu option about fsck at the top
[16:56] <EriC^^> you'll want to go straight to it after the recovery menu appears
[16:56] <calmarti> yes, it's kind of 'do a fsck on all fs'
[16:56] <EriC^^> yeah
[16:56] <calmarti> I also clicked on that and it also refused
[16:56] <EriC^^> ah
[16:57] <EriC^^> give f9 a shot, it should work
[16:57] <calmarti> i'm going to
[16:57] <calmarti> thanks a lot man
[16:57] <calmarti> i may be back in a while
[16:57] <EriC^^> no problem
[17:06] <SofS> Ok, solved it, ty. The issue is with policykit-1-gnome, using lxpolkit instead works fine.
[17:12] <RupertEverton> I believe my /etc/resolv.conf is broken -- I followed a guide (https://support.nordvpn.com/Connectivity/Linux/1134945702/Change-your-DNS-servers-on-Linux.htm) to change DNS but then sudo was displaying an error (sudo: unable to resolve host *: Name or service not known) which I fixed by editing /etc/hosts. I tried to restore the old resolv.conf
[17:12] <RupertEverton> with timeshift but all the relevant sybmolic links are broken. I also installed the resolvconf package and got the error (Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:12] <RupertEverton> ) -- How can I revert everything back to what it was before the DNS change?
[17:13] <Alabalistic> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:14] <Alabalistic> is what is my resolve.conf you need to write down your dns in my case my router
[17:14] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: ls -l /etc/run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[17:14] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: do you have that file above?
[17:15] <RupertEverton> leftyfb: ls: cannot access '/etc/run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf': No such file or directory
[17:15] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: what version of ubuntu?
[17:15] <RupertEverton> Ubuntu Budgie 21.04
[17:16] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: oh, sorry, it's /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[17:16] <RupertEverton> leftyfb: I have that file
[17:16] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: ok, run this: sudo rm -rf /etc/resolv.conf && ln -s /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
[17:17] <RupertEverton> leftyfb: rm: cannot remove '/etc/resolv.conf': Operation not permitted
[17:17] <waltman> Hi. I work in a small research lab in a university. I'm doing a little admin on a former postdoc's ubuntu box today. After updating it to the latest version of 18.04, I see that there are two processes getting a ton of CPU running `pop-upgrade release check`. Anyone have any idea what those are?
[17:17] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: sudo rm -rf /etc/resolv.conf && sudo ln -s /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
[17:17] <RupertEverton> leftyfb: same error -- rm: cannot remove '/etc/resolv.conf': Operation not permitted
[17:18] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: are you sure you're using sudo for the first part?
[17:18] <RupertEverton> yes
[17:18] <RupertEverton> even tried typing it
[17:19] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: ( ls -l /etc/resolv.conf ; cat /etc/resolv.conf ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:19] <oerheks> dirty filesystem, most likely, use fsck to correct this?
[17:19] <oerheks> or touch <somefilename> see if there are errors
[17:19] <RupertEverton> leftyfb: this is the output of ls -l /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf :         -rw-r--r-- 1 systemd-resolve systemd-resolve 738 Jun 24 18:53 /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[17:19] <leftyfb> oerheks: dmesg should tell us that
[17:19] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: ( ls -l /etc/resolv.conf ; cat /etc/resolv.conf ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:20] <oerheks> oh, true
[17:20] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: also:   dmesg -T | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:21] <oerheks> brb
[17:24] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: looking at your termbin output you PM'd me, I don't see any permission issues with your /etc/resolv.conf
[17:24] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: sudo rm -rf /etc/resolv.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:24] <RupertEverton> rm: cannot remove '/etc/resolv.conf': Operation not permitted
[17:25] <SofS> RupertEverton: Are you using NetworkManager? If yes try changing the DNS from there "/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf" then below "[global-dns-domain-*]" something like "servers=<IP_ADDRESS>,::1" but with your server instead.
[17:26] <EriC^> RupertEverton: what does "lsattr /etc/resolv.conf" give?
[17:26] <EriC^> any "i" there or just an "e" ?
[17:26] <RupertEverton> SofS: is that a package? Because I don't use anything to change network settings if not my vpn app
[17:27] <RupertEverton> EriC^: ----i---------e------ /etc/resolv.conf
[17:27] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: ignore SofS's suggestion, it's. It related to your issue
[17:27] <leftyfb> *it's not
[17:29] <EriC^> RupertEverton: it's set immutable for some reason, maybe your server provider or something has set it
[17:29] <calmarti> Eric, it worked, I hit f9 and a different UEFI menu appeared
[17:29] <EriC^> RupertEverton: i think sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf   should remove it
[17:29] <calmarti> and I did the checkdisk , everything is fine
[17:29] <EriC^> calmarti: great
[17:30] <calmarti> for some reason when I press SHIFT instead of F9 the UEFI menu is different
[17:30] <RupertEverton> EriC^: I ran that command and checked with lsattr... and this is the output: --------------e------ /etc/resolv.conf
[17:31] <leftyfb> Ok, now try my command to remove it and relink it to resolvconf
[17:31] <calmarti> I've had some frequent crashes lately so I'm planning a memory test for next weekend, does anyone know if the memtest must be done from a live CD/USB?
[17:32] <RupertEverton> leftyfb: do you need the termbin or do i just run the first part  sudo rm -rf /etc/resolv.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:33] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: sudo rm -rf /etc/resolv.conf && sudo ln -s /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
[17:33] <RupertEverton> leftyfb: I ran that command and it didn't produce any output
[17:34] <leftyfb> Good, your dns should be fixed now
[17:35] <ogra> RupertEverton, rule of thumb in linux -> no output = no error 😉
[17:36] <sixwheeledbeast> what if the monitor is blank ;)
[17:37] <RupertEverton> perfect, thanks a lot leftyfb and EriC^ -- now I wonder, is timeshift not supposed to sync /etc/resolv.conf and hence the symbolic links are not working be default or were they broken by the dns change I did?
[17:37] <RupertEverton> because those are still broken
[17:37] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: the instructions you followed told you to delete and file/link and recreate it
[17:38] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: ls -l /etc/resolve.conf # are you saying its broken?
[17:39] <RupertEverton> leftyfb: resolve.conf doesn't exist; resolv.conf : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 Jun 24 19:33 /etc/resolv.conf -> /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[17:39] <Sayona> Hello, I have a problem with the Sound on my ubuntu 20.04. I have a background noise when I don't play video/music on my ubuntu... in my speakers... but if I play a video it's stops.
[17:40] <RupertEverton> leftyfb: the problem that hasn't been fixed is that the snapshots created by timeshift do not have working /etc/resolv.conf symbolic links
[17:40] <oerheks> Sayona, hardware issue, not shielded wires, close to a network cable, no proper grounded computer/power
[17:40] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: the command I gave you recreated the link
[17:40] <oerheks> there has never been a software fix for that,. AFAIK
[17:41] <oerheks> or you use the line out, and control it like analog volume
[17:42] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: ( ls -ls /etc/resolve.conf && cat /etc/resolve.conf ) | nc term in.com 9999
[17:42] <Sayona> oerheks, on windows all is ok :)
[17:42] <RupertEverton> leftyfb: I just checked all the snapshots, all the symbolic links to resolv.conf are broken
[17:43] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: at the moment, we're not troubleshooting snapshots.
[17:44] <RupertEverton> leftyfb: ( ls -ls /etc/resolv.conf && cat /etc/resolv.conf ) | nc termbin.com 9999  did not produce any output
[17:44] <oerheks> Sayona, then most likely it is the lineout thing?
[17:44] <oerheks> something is different from windows..
[17:44] <oerheks> i never understood why lineout could be adjusted, it is one function
[17:47] <leftyfb> RupertEverton: does your DNS work?
[17:48] <RupertEverton> leftyfb: I'm currently not experiencing any issues beside the inconvenience of the symbolic links being broken so I believe the DNS work. I will try rebooting
[17:50] <Sayona> oerheks, no know :) this give me headache
[18:00] <GreyArea> Does anyone know how the post-install SSH host key generation works?  I'm trying to create templates of an 18.04 server and obviously it checks once after the install but then the script must kill itself as subequent key removals do not recreate host keys automatically.
[18:04] <akik> GreyArea: you can create them with ssh-keygen
[18:06] <GreyArea> Sure, I was just wondering the specifics of the post-install process.  I guess I can recreate the behaviour by popping something in rc.local, running `dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server` and then killing rc.local but if someones done a nicer job of it already, I could just use that :)
[18:07] <akik> GreyArea: you don't have to kill rc.local
[18:07] <akik> it runs and then ends
[18:12] <Sayona> oerheks, do you know how I fix it? :D
[18:20] <IHasFinger> hi everyone my python post request are not getting sent out. I am wondering if it because ufw is disable?
[18:22] <Sayona> oerheks, found the issue "sudio interface going into power save." Solution: echo 0 | sudo tee /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save_controller and echo 0 | sudo tee /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save
[18:23] <oerheks> Sayona, does that fix the crinkle/noise?
[18:24] <Sayona> oerheks, yap
[18:25] <matsaman> neat
[18:28] <oerheks> Sayona, noted, maybe worth an 'askubuntu post' too
[18:28] <oerheks> large audience..
[18:43] <Kon> How did I get a libc6 version 2.31-0ubuntu9.3 from focal-updates but another Focal system is only on 2.31-0ubuntu9.2 ?
[18:44] <ice9> the whole system freeze and i have to hard reset when notifications arrives multiple times while the screen is off and session is locked; the screen turns on and after the timeout it switch off; another notification comes and screen turn on then crash/freeze; any idea?
[18:44] <Kon> !show libc6
[18:45] <oerheks> kon, not, 9.3 is removed
[18:45] <rfm> GreyArea, the host keys are generated when opensshd-server is configured, which normally happens near then end of install. it doesn't run again at boot or sshd start.
[18:45] <Guest54> hi
[18:45] <oerheks> maybe the proper update is out now, not sure
[18:46] <Kon> oerheks: It was shipped and then removed afterward?
[18:46] <oerheks> let me check the logs
[18:46] <Guest54> is check-confi for the generic kernel or low latency?
[18:46] <Kon> Thanks. I discovered this after realizing there's a lot of software I can't currently install
[18:47] <rfm> GreyArea, if :"dpkg-reconfigure opensshd-server" is run later it checks if host keys already exist and skips recreating them if so
[18:47] <oerheks> apt install libc6=2.31-0ubuntu9.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1926918
[18:48] <denza242> is .net core in the repos yet
[18:48] <Guest54> is check-config for the generic kernel or low-latency kernel?
[18:48] <Kon> Thanks oerheks
[18:48] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc .. no proposed yet, Kon
[18:48] <Kon> I have the same question as this person tbh https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1926918/comments/5
[18:49] <oerheks> denza, as snap probably
[18:49] <Kon> This has been done many times before in a better and non-breaking way
[18:49] <denza242> hrm
[18:50] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/dotnet-sdk
[18:50] <Kon> You can add the Microsoft repository but Snap is probably the "officially supported" way
[18:51] <oerheks> sudo snap install dotnet-sdk --classic --channel=5.0
[18:51] <oerheks> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/install/linux-snap
[18:51] <oerheks> or do you need LTS 3.1
[18:52] <denza242> eh i need _something_, preferably in date and working
[18:53] <oerheks> 3.1 sudo snap install dotnet-sdk --channel=lts/stable --classic
[18:53] <denza242> what a world, microsoft has apt repositories nowadays
[18:53] <oerheks> yeah, wicked
[18:53] <denza242> and I can install KDE software through the MS store
[18:53] <denza242> wild
[19:02] <Sven_vB> hi :) do we have a checklist of all the possible settings that might cause my Ubuntu focal with xfce to put my screen to sleep when idle?
[19:12] <rfm> Sven_vB, I don't, but if I disable screensaver and lock screen (Screensaver settings) and urn off display power managment (Power manager settings) it stays on for me
[19:20] <Sven_vB> my ~/.xscreensaver has "mode: off", xfce4-settings-manager > "Screensaver" has "Mode: Disable Screen Saver", xfce4-settings-manager > "Power Manager" (seems identical to xfce4-power-manager-settings) informs me that "Xfce4 Power Manager is not running, do you wish to launch it now?" so I wonder, do I need to run xfce4-power-manager running? it feels off that I need to run a power management daemon to *avoid* power management actions.
[19:23] <matsaman> I can't imagine why you wouldn't want the DE's power management package
[19:24] <Sven_vB> matsaman, I try to only run programs that give me a benefit that I can understand. why would I want my DE to interfere with power management?
[19:24] <Sven_vB> when I want to turn my screen off by software, I use xrandr
[19:24] <matsaman> because it does exactly what you're wanting your system to do, so it isn't interfering
[19:25] <matsaman> okay, so why are you even using a DE
[19:25] <Sven_vB> matsaman, it helps me align VLC and pavucontrol on my screen
[19:25] <matsaman> you can do this without Xfce's power management, but there's not much reason to
[19:27] <Sven_vB> maybe I should check what xfce4-power-manager would do, to trace what causes the screen to turn off in the first place.
[19:27] <ice9> the whole system freeze and i have to hard reset when notifications arrives multiple times while the screen is off and session is locked; the screen turns on and after the timeout it switch off; another notification comes and screen turn on then crash/freeze; any idea?
[19:28] <Sven_vB> ice9, what did you observe to conclude it freezes? might it still respond to network? do you see an increase in CPU or RAM usage before the freeze?
[19:29] <sarnold> ice9: can you still ssh in?
[19:30] <ice9> Sven_vB, sarnold i cannot access the machine, even I cannot switch to another VT, even alt+ctrl+delete doesn't reboot
[19:30] <sarnold> ice9: ouch :/
[19:33] <ice9> after fresh installation of ubuntu 21.04 on brand new laptop, i experience random services crashing, is it just me or it's a known issue?
[19:33] <ice9> "system problem detected"...
[19:33] <Sven_vB> ice9, there are many cases where a system fails to process keyboard input in time, or fails to update the image on the screen in time, so usually the first step is to try to access it by other ways than keyboard and screen.
[19:35] <sarnold> ice9: is there anything in journalctl output that looks funny? have you run memtest86 or memtest86+ on this machine yet?
[19:42] <Sven_vB> it seems like the mechanism that turns off my screen might be dpms, configured by lightdm. I'll try and disable that and observe.
[19:43] <ice9> sarnold, nothing strange in the journal and i haven't ran memtest yet, should I?
[19:43] <oerheks>  xset -dpms
[19:45] <Sven_vB> oerheks, yeah, that would be what I'd had in mind. however, when I query "xseq -q", it says "DPMS is Disabled"
[19:45] <oerheks> then you should be fine?
[19:46] <Sven_vB> yes. so the mechanism that had turned off my screen must have been something else.
[19:46] <oerheks> mixing dpms tools can be surprising too..
[19:47] <Sven_vB> I tried to read in the xfce4-power-manager sources what it would do to stop my screen from turning off. had hoped there would be some message sent to some daemon to tell it "stop it" but I couldn't find anything like that
[19:48] <Sven_vB> I still believe it's a better approach to fix the offending mechanism, rather than run additional software to block that mechanism
[19:51] <sarnold> ice9: yeah, I think running memtest86 or memtest86+ would be useful; one of them is included on the ubuntu install images, but only works from CSM / Legacy / BIOS boots, not uefi -- the newer one works on uefi but isn't opensource, I've heard it is free to download from their website with a registration or something similar..
[20:08] <roly> hello
[20:19] <goddard> would be really cool if gnome shell remembered the last session automatically and it didn't matter if you saved the files or not
[20:19] <goddard> for the text editor
[20:24] <oerheks> org > gnome > gnome-session > save session https://vitux.com/how-to-automatically-remember-running-applications-from-your-last-session-in-debian/
[20:25] <goddard> oerheks thats cool
[20:25] <goddard> i kind of said what i meant strangely
[20:25] <goddard> i was talking about the gnome text editor
[20:26] <goddard> you know how in like sublime text and stuff it will actually save the stuff you type even if it is closed
[20:26] <goddard> then when you open it restores those files and tabs
[20:26] <goddard> the gnome text editor needs that feature
[20:27] <oerheks> not sure sublime text can
[20:27] <goddard> oh yeah it does for sure
[20:27] <oerheks> see software > installed  > sublime text > permissions?
[20:27] <oerheks> or in 21.04 there is a gnome menu entry for this
[20:29] <goddard> open gnome text editor
[20:29] <goddard> type text
[20:29] <goddard> then close gnome text editor
[20:29] <goddard> now open gnome text editor
[20:29] <goddard> it doesn't restore your text you typed
[20:30] <leftyfb> goddard: https://itsfoss.com/how-to-enable-auto-save-feature-in-gedit/
[20:32] <leftyfb> goddard: autosave has been a feature of gedit for years
[20:32] <goddard> it doesn't really work the same
[20:32] <goddard> it requires you to have a file already saved
[20:32] <goddard> which kind of defeats the purpose
[20:33] <goddard> ctrl + s is pretty much reflex
[20:33] <goddard> if i already have a file saved you know?
[20:33] <goddard> in sublime text it actually just saves everything
[20:33] <goddard> even if the file isn't on the disk and manually saved by the user
[20:35] <leftyfb> then use sublime
[20:35] <goddard> haha
[20:35] <goddard> ya
[20:35] <leftyfb> goddard: or report the bug to the gnome project
[20:35] <goddard> isn't it written in C?
[20:37] <leftyfb> goddard: what does that have to do with filing a bug for your feature request?
[20:48] <oerheks> this works, after logout/login >.org > gnome > gnome-session > save session
[21:22] <src> is there a way to get a list of set env variables like $PATH
[21:23] <leftyfb> env
[21:25] <src> leftyfb: ty
[21:28] <matsaman> src: still working on your path?
[21:29] <matsaman> src: a dumb temporary hack you could use is to strip the komodo bit from your path in your ~/.bashrc, dynamically
[22:13] <src> not directly an ubuntu question, but is anyone using whatsapp web? I used to share screenshots as .png which always worked, now suddenly whatsapp says "file you tried adding is not supported"
[22:13] <src> this is frustrating; searching online for anything with whatsapp in the search string sadly yields ton of clickbait crap results that it's hard to really get info on it it seems
[23:30] <mrvdv> just wondering, with ubuntu, i noticed if im logged into a shell (whether its root or not) and someone is say putting in the wrong password, it halts the ssh access (even those already logged in). then times out the ones thats login... what could be the issue?
[23:33] <Sebz> mrvdv: Is there anything in your .bash_profile that would trigger that?
[23:33] <mrvdv> not that i'm aware
[23:34] <Sebz> I did a quick google search and the first thing I found was an 'exit 0' string in .bash_profile. Check for that.
[23:35] <sarnold> mrvdv: which process is handling the wrong password?
[23:35] <mrvdv> just the terminal
[23:35] <mrvdv> when using putty
[23:35] <sarnold> the terminal will never ask for a password
[23:35] <sarnold> a program within the terminal, might..
[23:35] <sarnold> or perhaps your putty client asks for a password to give to the ssh server?
[23:36] <Sebz> I think he's referring to authenticating into the server via putty.
[23:36] <sarnold> that was my first thought too, but it's ambiguous enough that I thought it made sense to clarify :)
[23:36] <Sebz> True
[23:36] <mrvdv> basically if someone is tryin to log into my server via ssh 22, (at this time with putty), wrong password by them leads for everyone being logged out
[23:38] <toddc> are they useing the same user account? then yes but each user should have their own user account then no
[23:38] <mrvdv> no they aint
[23:39] <sarnold> mrvdv: hmm... I wonder, are you using a fail2ban setup that notices the failed auth attempt and installs some fairly heavy firewall rules?
[23:40] <mrvdv> i know ive got fail2ban installed... its happening on my vps (hosted by a vps provider). ill contact technical support and see if they can look int oit
[23:42] <sarnold> check your fail2ban logs, check your firewall rules -- perhaps it's blocking far more than just the one bad IP address, maybe it's blocking large netblocks or something similar
[23:43] <mrvdv> no worries cheers
[23:45] <rfm> if all the users are behind the same NAT they'd all have the same IP to the server, thus all get banned...
[23:45] <mrvdv> yeah they are all on the same network