[01:04] <leftyfb> ogra: you realize wr isn't running Ubuntu right?
[01:05] <ogra> leftyfb, well, that shouldnt matter for installing a snap
[01:05] <ogra> (but no, i didnt ... i'm actually on my way to bed 😛 )
[01:06] <sarnold> gn8 ogra :)
[01:06] <tomreyn> they previously told they're running debian, and got pointed to #snappy and #debian
[01:06] <daftykins> it's like when the kids get told no by Dad, so they go and ask Mum
[01:10] <lotuspsychje> good morning


[17:17] <terrycojones> hi.
[17:20] <terrycojones> i'm trying to get upstart to start a process for me (running 10.04) and it's frustratingly silent when things don't work out. is there a way to get it to produce more output? i've looked in /var/log/daemon.log and /var/log/syslog, but there's nothing there......   thanks!


[08:33] <Rohirrim> Can anyone submit a wallpaper? I want to contribute.
[08:38] <thorwil> Rohirrim: well, you can join http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork
[08:38] <Rohirrim> okay, Thanks.
[08:40] <thorwil> Rohirrim: for the release that just happened, about 20 wallpapers have been selected from that pool. note that the default wallpaper comes from Canonical. it will very likely be the same process for next release
[08:40] <Rohirrim> okay.
[08:42] <thorwil> Rohirrim: also have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Backgrounds
[08:42] <Rohirrim> Was doing that now.
[08:49] <thorwil> kwwii: flickr group still has "In our next release, the Karmic Koala (Ubuntu 9.10)" ;)
[09:03] <mac_v> kwwii: what is the name of the package you'll be adding ? [the one that contains the shortlisted wallpapers?]
[09:04] <mac_v> those not in the default install*
[09:16] <mac_v> thorwil: are we going to use the same method[flicker wallpapers] for 10.04 too?
[09:18] <thorwil> mac_v: i wrote the section about wallpapers on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid and so far no one objected ;)
[09:19]  * thorwil imagined flickering wallpapers for a moment
[09:19] <mac_v> ;)
[09:59] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, need to change that
[09:59] <kwwii> thorwil: just packaged the extra wallpapers last night ;)
[10:00] <kwwii> desktop-backgrounds-extra
[10:00] <kwwii> mac_v: ^
[10:00] <kwwii> lp:~desktop-backgrounds-extra
[10:01] <kwwii> need to file a sponsoring bug to get that in universe
[10:06] <thorwil> bloody %&$&! with karmic's inkscape, prevent-gradient-sharing is always on, ignoring the checkbox
[10:07] <kwwii> to be honest, karmic is probably one of the worst linux distros I have used in years
[10:07] <kwwii> it has messed up both of my systems
[10:07] <zniavre> ho?
[10:07] <kwwii> do *not* upgrade, it will only break things
[10:08] <kwwii> and a clean install still has many more X problems than jaunty
[10:08] <zniavre> i was lucky guy
[10:08] <kwwii> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/karmic_koala_frustration/
[10:09] <thorwil> so this issue driving me nuts ia already reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/437926
[10:10] <mac_v> kwwii: hmm , so lucid is not going to use flickr?
[10:11] <kwwii> mac_v: ?
[10:11] <kwwii> mac_v: yes, hopefully it will...I just haven't started it yet
[10:11] <mac_v> kwwii> thorwil: yeah, need to change that ---> i thought this meant 'no' :)
[10:11] <kwwii> thorwil: not sure I understand where you see that
[10:12] <mac_v> kwwii: ah , ok , so what happens to the wallpapers from 9.10? when user upgrades to 10.04?
[10:13] <mac_v> suggestion move the wallpapers for 10.04 to -> ~desktop-backgrounds-9.10
[10:13] <thorwil> what?
[10:13] <thorwil> mac_v: what meant no
[10:13] <thorwil> kwwii: where do i see what?
[10:13] <kwwii> thorwil: it seems to work fine here
[10:14] <kwwii> mac_v: not sure about that yet
[10:14] <mac_v> thorwil: i thought when kwwii said "kwwii> thorwil: yeah, need to change that" , that it meant the wiki needs to be changed regarding the flikcr
[10:14] <kwwii> mac_v: I need to update the flickr page to represent the fact that we are working on lucid now
[10:15] <mac_v> ah  , you meant that change :) nice got it ;)
[10:15] <thorwil> kwwii: create rectangle, use gradient fill. copy rectangle. here i always get a new gradient with a number appended
[10:16] <kwwii> thorwil: ahhh, right...now I get it
[10:17] <kwwii> that is pretty funky
[10:17] <kwwii> I usually build inkscape from source as well
[10:17] <kwwii> but I really wish the inkscape nightly ppa was back online
[10:17] <thorwil> i already build all my audio stuff from source. and synfig. if i add more, i could switch back to gentoo ;)
[10:18] <zniavre> haha
[10:18] <thorwil> at least none of those 9.10 X issues hit me
[10:19] <darkmatter> does gentoo still suck? xD
[10:20] <thorwil> actually it would be http://www.funtoo.org/. Daniel Robbins is back. portage tree in git, how's that for geekiness? ;)
[10:22] <darkmatter> I was thinking more along the lines of 'lawl wut?'
[10:23] <darkmatter> the 'lawl wut' being in reference to funtoo/gentoo/omgimdelusionaltoo being geeky :P
[10:26]  * thorwil smuggles a tribble into darkmatter's basement
[10:27] <darkmatter> tribble are tasty. just be sure to save them before roasting. I forgot to one.... phew... what a stench
[10:27] <darkmatter> once*
[11:30] <thorwil> hmm, what do i have to do to get a fill in sliders like with clearlooks, but starting from the Human theme?
[11:59] <thorwil> actually, current Human has it, but my customized version doesn't
[12:00] <kwwii> there is a scrollbar colorize option at the top
[12:01] <kwwii> which will use the selection color
[12:01] <kwwii> and down below there is another part to make it grey like it currently is in karmic
[12:12] <thorwil> kwwii: does that affect both scrollbars and scales?
[12:13] <thorwil> kwwii: i want that for scale, not scrollbars. already replaced scrollbars with a pixmap solution
[12:16] <thorwil> sheesh, used meld and saw no differences that should have an effect here. gtkrc stinks
[12:16] <mac_v> thorwil: scale and scrollbars are done separately , if you used pixmap , its not possible to colorize it , unless the pixmap for the prelight is done brighter
[12:17] <thorwil> mac_v: i don't see any difference regarding scale in my gtkrc and the Human gtkrc, yet Human has a brown fill and mine doesn't
[12:17] <kwwii> scale?
[12:17] <mac_v> thorwil: could you pastbin the gtkrc :)
[12:18] <mac_v> thorwil: human scale uses the murrine engine , hence the brown fill
[12:19] <thorwil> mac_v: so does mine
[12:20] <mac_v> thorwil: then you might have changed the "default" and defines mentioned there
[12:20] <thorwil> ah, sorry for the noise, i just fixed it
[12:20] <mac_v> ;)
[12:20] <thorwil> "GtkScale       ::trough-side-details  = 1" was missing
[12:21] <thorwil> i mean, that name clearly says it's about that fill to one side of the scale ;)
[12:22] <mac_v> thorwil: cooking up a new theme? light or dark one?
[12:23] <thorwil> light
[12:23] <mac_v> :)
[12:24]  * mac_v likes darker themes and almost completed one ;)
[12:24] <mac_v> s/completed/completing
[12:26] <thorwil> http://imagebin.org/70283
[12:27] <kwwii> thorwil: I think that one thing that is going to come up at UDS is getting the community more invovled in the wallpapers (new team, old ideas :p)
[12:30] <thorwil> kwwii: i think if you want to get past the status quo, you need significant additional effort
[12:31] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, I get the feeling we are going to have to explain the problems (again)
[12:32] <thorwil> kwwii: maybe it will become clearer if explained with a hard german accent ^^
[12:32] <kwwii> lol :p
[12:56]  * kwwii wanders off to get lunch
[13:14] <darkmatter> thorwil: a man after my own heart (scrollbars that attempt to blend with the window contents) :)
[13:16] <darkmatter> looks pretty good
[13:33] <thorwil> ty
[13:33] <thorwil> this is some brutal hardcore: http://www.blendernation.com/bearubs-video/
[13:48] <mac_v> anyone happen to know the class of the evolution mail list?
[14:13] <mac_v> !test
[15:56]  * kwwii heads out to the doctor, be back in about an hour
[19:38] <zniavre> http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity     try to find the "next page" button
[19:39] <zniavre> http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity?page=2   > cause it exists ...   :o)


[10:00] <melodie> hello
[10:39] <bkerensa> melodie: hi
[11:59] <melodie> hi bkerensa !
[11:59] <melodie> bkerensa I had some lag due to a work on a machine which I needed to fix :)


[00:07] <LINKSWORD2> *Sigh.*
[00:09] <ArchangelSe7en> what ?
[00:10] <LINKSWORD2> Boring day.
[01:06] <LINKSWORD2> Anybody know if there's a widget/app to specify a time for the system to shutdown?
[01:08] <Linkmaster> LINKSWORD2: You can write a bash script, or you can run 'sudo shutdown -r "number of minutes/hours" m/h
[01:08] <Linkmaster> *well, drop the -r part that is, that restarts it
[01:08] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[01:09] <IdleOne> or sudo shutdown hh:mm
[01:09] <IdleOne> to set at what time you want to shut down
[01:09] <LINKSWORD2> Cool!
[01:09] <OerHeks> Kshutdown
[01:10] <IdleOne> or install kshutdown ^^
[01:10] <IdleOne> didn't know about that :)
[01:10] <OerHeks> me 2, just googled it
[01:11] <OerHeks> 'advanced'sounds cool
[01:12] <OerHeks> i found this @ http://www.linuxnov.com/how-to-schedule-shutdown-the-system/
[01:12] <LINKSWORD2> ???
[01:12] <OerHeks> kshutdown <> gshutdown
[01:20] <LINKSWORD2> Very cool.
[01:59] <OerHeks> thunderbird 5 is out :-)
[02:03] <LINKSWORD2> That's fine, but not exceptional...
[03:10] <IdleOne> Where do I add startup applications?
[03:10] <Snowhog> IdleOne: System Settings > Startup and Shutdown
[03:12] <IdleOne> Snowhog: thank you
[04:26] <IdleOne> What an amazing thing it is to have a default music player with a lyrics plugin that actually works
[04:26] <IdleOne> I may have to get a new tattoo
[04:29] <knob> hello all
[04:31] <IdleOne> hello
[04:32] <Linkmaster> hey
[04:33] <SIR_Taco> IdleOne: of what a wolf? haha
[04:34] <IdleOne> SIR_Taco: nah
[04:34] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco! :D
[04:34] <IdleOne> there is someone I know who already has that
[04:34] <Linkmaster> IdleOne: Perhaps...a wolf in a circle?
[04:34] <SIR_Taco> IdleOne: thought you were talking about Amarok haha
[04:34] <SIR_Taco> hi Linkmaster
[04:34] <IdleOne> but maybe the Kubuntu logo to match my Ubuntu logo
[04:35] <SIR_Taco> I only have one, but I'm happy with it
[04:35] <IdleOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/idleone so you know what I mean
[04:36] <SIR_Taco> IdleOne: very nice, I like it
[04:37] <SIR_Taco> mine's not linux related I'm afriad, so it'd be off-topic haha
[04:39] <Linkmaster> off-topic......e.e
[04:46] <IdleOne> SIR_Taco: thank you
[04:47] <SIR_Taco> you're welcome
[05:57] <Bo0m> Greetings All. Am trying to update my linux and am on kubuntu. uname -a gives me this : 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:05:01 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:57] <Bo0m> . Can i update to the latest? if yes, how? Thanks
[05:57] <Bo0m> when I try to use kpackagekit, it says cant upgrade. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks
[05:59] <Bo0m> umnn am I in? lol this is funny..
[06:00] <OerHeks> wb Bo0m
[06:01] <Bo0m> thanks OerHeks  : )
[06:01] <OerHeks> what ubuntu version are you on ? 9.10 ?
[06:01] <Bo0m> am not sure..sorry. any command to findout?
[06:01] <Bo0m> am kinda new..sorry
[06:02] <Bo0m> umnn site indicates we need to update all the packages before going for the latest..guess thats what I should be doing
[06:03] <OerHeks> cat /etc/issue
[06:03] <OerHeks> ah correct, update first, then distro upgrade
[06:04] <Bo0m> coolio thanks buddy. will do
[06:05] <Bo0m> OerHeks, : just wondering, do I need to update? I mean, cant I just leave what I have and move on? would it be a security issue or something?
[06:05] <Bo0m> I just dont want to mess up what I have...and am kinda tired of my windows boot looping on me for some damn reason...
[06:06] <OerHeks> i'm not sure what could happen if you won't..
[06:06] <Bo0m> ah. thanks anyways.
[08:29] <arvut> moo
[08:29] <arvut> rniŋ
[10:22] <ocs> hi. is there a multitouch pad linux-compatible?
[10:23] <faLUCE> hi. is there a multitouch pad linux-compatible?
[10:33] <valorie> boom, which kubuntu version?
[10:34] <valorie> oops
[10:34] <valorie> scroll fail
[10:34] <valorie> what do you mean by multitouch pad?
[10:34] <valorie> faLUCE?
[10:38] <faLUCE> valorie: something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQpr3W-YmcQ  but thiner
[10:44] <valorie> looks like an interesting summer project for young geeks
[10:45] <valorie> they are rather uninformative on the software though
[10:45] <valorie> people are hacking the Kinect though
[10:45] <valorie> i'm sure it's possible in linux
[10:51] <BATi> faLUCE: you may also look here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Multitouch/HardwareSupport and do your own research by searching google for "kubuntu multitouch" as I did...
[11:30] <Extra> Ok
[13:08] <BluesKaj> howdy
[13:16] <chilmaaster> hi guys
[13:17] <BluesKaj> hi
[13:26] <chilmaaster> can pls someone tell me how dangerous a "master update" from one Kubuntu release to another.Respectiv, I'm runing 10.04 with Kernel 2.6.32 and plan to update in sooner future. Think I'll wait till 11.10 will be released. So now the acctual question: How dangerous is this process (especially if missed out one or two  releases) and will my Desktop (modified with Docks and other stuff) still be the same. U see i'm a lil scared to do this step
[13:29] <alvin> chilmaaster: Your desktop will probably remain the same, but you'll have to go from 10.04 to 10.10 first. Then go from 10.10 to 11.04.
[13:29] <alvin> 'safe' depends on the bugs you're suffering from now.
[13:30] <alvin> (10.04 is known to have problems with ATI cards, nvidia/nouveau, Intel and Matrox. Other than that, you're safe.)
[13:30] <BluesKaj> chilmaaster, if you intend to upgrade , a clean install is aleays safest , and save/backup your data first, and as alvin says you'll have to got thru 3 upgrades unless you do a clean install
[13:31] <alvin> Hmm, I meant 11.04 for the video card issues. 10.04 only has troubles with Intel and Matrox.
[13:32] <chilmaaster> thank you. well, doing all those steps 10.10,11.04,11.10 sucks  a bit
[13:32] <BluesKaj> nvidis is the most relaible , but still not perfect
[13:32] <alvin> Then again, it might work. It all depends on what you need. I had major trouble with mounting NFS drives on 10.04. That is better now, but now Ubuntu panics when unmounting NFS. You can't have everything I guess.
[13:32] <chilmaaster> "will probably be the same" is also a lil fuzzy
[13:33] <alvin> Yes, take nvidia! I dare you to resize your konsole when using the nvidia driver. ;-)
[13:33] <yofel> chilmaaster: the next release you'll be able to directly upgrade to is 12.04
[13:33] <yofel> for the ones before you need to go through all of them
[13:33] <chilmaaster> will that be the next LTS?
[13:33] <yofel> it will
[13:34] <BluesKaj> chilmaaster, if you decide on a clean install, put the OS on / partition and crate a /home partition for your data , that way the next time you want to do a clean install or upgrade all the configuration files for your apps are still saved along with all your data and mediua files
[13:35] <alvin> In KDE3, kate had a html tidy plugin. Does anyone know where I can find that now?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> chilmaaster, the next LTS is 12.04
[13:36] <BluesKaj> oops ...too busy typing and not reading again
[13:37] <chilmaaster> i mean u guys have experiences in doing Ubuntu upgrades. Just wana have some experiences, what was good and what didn't work afterwords. I know, nobody can and will say everything is def going to work. Just wana find out a tendence whether i'll do a fresh install or a uprade. Thx guys
[13:39] <alvin> chilmaaster: It all depends on what you use now and the problems you're having. There will most definately be new bugs, but they might not hinder you. I have daily kernel panics on 11.04, but you might not have them.
[13:40] <BluesKaj> alvin, really , daily ones ?
[13:40] <chilmaaster> my system is just running great :) no problems except hibernating. And i like to keep it that way  ;)
[13:40]  * BluesKaj wonders how that could be
[13:41] <yofel> the only way to get my notebook to need a frequent reboot would be to use nouveau, but the kernel is fine lately
[13:41] <alvin> BlaXpirit: Yes, I reboot daily, so it panics. (bug 769927). The reboots are because of some kded4 processes that start consuming 100% cpu after a while and slow things down (bug 333944)
[13:42] <BlaXpirit> what, sorry? :P
[13:42] <alvin> I'm also using a Kolab server, and akonadi crashes everytime I change something in korganizer.
[13:42] <yofel> you could kill -s 9 $(pidof kded4) and then just re-login
[13:42] <yofel> well, that would be akonadi's fault :/
[13:43] <alvin> Yes, I'm curious about the new kmail? Wondering whether it will be more stable.
[13:44] <alvin> Oh, and Amarok just hangs again. (can be killed) -> bug 777639
[13:44] <alvin> There are the KDE bugs and the Ubuntu bugs. Generally speaking, the Ubuntu ones are worse.
[13:45] <alvin> kded4 consuming 100% cpu can be anything. I have no idea what causes it. Just booting the system and letting it logged on for a few hours without doing anything will show the symptoms.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> havent gotten kmail to connect to my ISP's mail server since kde4.0
[13:46] <alvin> Well, that'll change. Akonadi will do the connection. Bad news, I tested this with the current version. (you can't see the mail in kmail, but akonadi will fetch it). It crashes akonadi on regular intervals.
[13:47] <yofel> alvin: kmail 4.6.0 is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[13:47] <alvin> Tempting, but I'll pass :-)
[13:48] <yofel> 4.7 will probably not be much different, except I hope some bugfixes
[13:48] <alvin> It doesn't have to be different. More stable would be welcome.
[13:49] <alvin> Not that it's too bad on the KDE side. Minor annoyances.
[13:49] <yofel> true, maybe I'll see if they help a bit later, got the first rc1 draft packages for kmail done yesterday
[13:49] <alvin> (Still, I can't find HTML tidy. New functionality might be welcome here. It was there in KDE3)
[13:50] <alvin> As soon as it's in a ppa, not named 'experimental', I might update my production machine.
[13:50] <yofel> right, but we didn't feel well putting it anywhere else :/
[13:51] <yofel> for me it didn't crash, but for example it simply didn't list any mails in some of my folders :(
[13:51] <BluesKaj> kmail mdoesn't work with pophm , the hotmail contracter my ISP uses
[13:51] <alvin> A sound decision :-) Has it been tested with very large IMAP folders?
[13:51] <yofel> my IMAP account is like ~40k mails
[13:51] <yofel> ~works~, but as I said, not reliably
[13:52] <selvakumaran> hi there, any 1 using KOMODO or Aptana Studio?
[13:53] <alvin> Hmm, I have more mails. I might add that the 'not seeing some mails' is the case in the current kmail also. I then move the mail back and forth with Thunderbird. Then it'll magically reappear.
[13:54] <alvin> selvakumaran: I have Komodo edit installed. It works.
[13:54] <alvin> selvakumaran: It's not in the repositories though. Here's the packaging bug: 183492
[13:55] <selvakumaran> hi alvin, but i couldn't
[13:56] <chilmaaster> does any1 also have problems with hibernating?
[13:56] <selvakumaran> ubottu: then, i can't get installed now huh?
[13:56] <chilmaaster> it's just bad and sucks
[13:56] <BATi> alvin: AFAIK html-tidy "plugin" is history, nobody cares about tidying html, obviously... :) cannot stop you from installing html-tidy commandline and steal old script, tough :)
[13:57] <Incarus6> chilmaaster, yes, I think my nvidia driver was blacklisted after the distribution upgrade
[13:57] <selvakumaran> ubottu: :-P ok., does Aptana Studio supports?
[13:57] <Incarus6> selvakumaran, it's a machine, it cannot answer questions yet
[13:58] <yofel> !me | selvakumaran
[13:58] <alvin> BATi: That's bad news. Yes, it was a script. I'll try to find it.
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, which nvidia card , havent heard of the need to blacklist any nvidia drivers , btw.
[13:59] <selvakumaran> Incarus6: :P i don't knw that,
[14:00] <selvakumaran> yofel: u  r using Aptana huh?
[14:00] <yofel> nope
[14:00] <BATi> alvin: or you can run html-tidy from kate's konsole from time to time to tidy files you are working on...
[14:01] <alvin> No, the nvidia driver is not blacklisted. Maybe it should have been done though: bug 760632
[14:01] <alvin> BATi: No, not on remote files.
[14:01]  * alvin is looking for the KDE3 source
[14:03] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, "cat /etc/hibernate/blacklisted-modules | grep nvidia" returns, that the nvidia module is black listed since the latest release. I comment it out but it is still not working, so I think there was a reason to black list the module ;)
[14:05] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, ok ,let s take a simpler approach , which driver is recommended on your machine ?
[14:06] <BluesKaj> and why would it blacklisted in hibernate?
[14:06] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, recommended? I'm using the latest proprietary driver from the nvidia website ;)
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, aha ..some of those drivers are the wrong ones ...whoever setup those recommends is mistaken over 50% of the time
[14:09] <BATi> alvin: use git repo and local clone ;)))
[14:09] <alvin> BATi: That's the thing. It's KDE3. Was that ported to git?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, believe me I've tried several of those proprietary drivers ...I have 3 nvidia cards , which i have tested
[14:10] <BATi> alvin: oh... nope, don't think so... I was talking about your work files...
[14:10] <Ddpbf> alvin: KDE3 is not ported to git
[14:10] <Ddpbf> it is discontinued in KDE
[14:11] <alvin> BATi: I see :) It's a good idea, but I'll try to find the script first.
[14:11] <Ddpbf> you could check on trinity-project
[14:11] <alvin> Ddpbf: Thought as much. But it's ok, the source can be downloaded as tarballs here: http://www.kde.org/info/3.5.10.php
[14:11] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, so that issue is related with the nvidia proprietary driver in your opinion? but why was it blacklisted then, I cant find sth. to that topic on the internet?
[14:12] <Ddpbf> it could be downloaded trough kde svn i think
[14:12] <alvin> Yes, I was thinking about searching the repo online, but I keep hitting dead links. This'll work as well. Let's see...
[14:12] <Ddpbf> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/
[14:13] <Ddpbf> alvin: do you know how to use SVN?
[14:13] <alvin> Used it a few times. Not much
[14:14] <Ddpbf> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/trinity/
[14:14] <Tm_T> alvin: for maintained KDE3-sources (for Qt4), you might be best served by using trinity sources: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/trinity/
[14:14] <Tm_T> Ddpbf: timing (:)
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, did you not try additional drivers in kmenu>apps>system ?..that's where you'll find the recommended driver. As far as black listig is concerned this the first I've come across that bug.
[14:15] <Ddpbf> :)
[14:15] <Ddpbf> trinity is in stage kde 3.5.12
[14:15] <alvin> Tm_T: Thanks. I know of the trinity project, but I'm only looking for a kate script that is missing from kate in KDE4.
[14:16] <Ddpbf> alvin: #trinity-desktop
[14:16] <alvin> Might as well use that link. Thanks!
[14:16] <Ddpbf> you could ask there
[14:18] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, jockey recommends me an earlier version of that driver (270.41.06). Due to the fact, that nothing happens after I pressed the suspend button in kmenu I dont think that this is related to the graphic card driver itself, because it should do something after i comment out the blacklist line.
[14:18] <Ddpbf> is there git web ui for kde?
[14:18] <yofel> quickgit.kde.org
[14:18] <Ddpbf> thanks
[14:19] <yofel> Incarus6: what does 'upower --dump' in Konsole say for can-suspend: ?
[14:20] <Incarus6> yofel, thank you for that command. Returns "can-suspend: yes" and "can-hibernate: yes"
[14:20] <Ddpbf> what is this aki thing?
[14:20] <yofel> not sure what's wrong then. You could try to ignore the KDE buttons and directly run 'sudo pm-suspens' or 'sudo pm-hibernate'
[14:20] <Ddpbf> i see it is irc klient
[14:21] <yofel> *pm-suspend
[14:22] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, commenting out may need a reboot when dealing with X drivers
[14:22] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, yeah, I rebooted a lot between I did that and today ;)
[14:23] <Incarus6> yofel, let me try that. hopefully it will create a log file
[14:24] <yofel> there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspendHibernateResume too, haven't tried anything from there in a long time though
[14:25]  * BluesKaj files Incarus6 nvidia situation on the 'to research " list
[14:25] <BluesKaj> damn laptops ..bloody pita
[14:26] <Incarus6> yofel, the commands are working great, thx. I'm going to ignore the kmenu buttons but Im not sure why they aren't working
[14:26] <yofel> yeah, except that I can suspend fine here...
[14:26] <yofel> well, at least something
[14:30] <Incarus6> yofel, it could be that kmenu is using the command "sudo echo mem > /sys/power/state" to suspend. When I try this in terminal it returns "No authorisation", even with sudo.
[14:30] <yofel> you can't echo + sudo like that
[14:31] <yofel> echo mem | sudo tee /sys/power/state
[14:31] <yofel> should work
[14:32] <Incarus6> oops, greenhorn mistake. yeah, that is working too. strange, I think im going to open a bug report. thx for the command at least I can hibernate and suspend now
[14:50] <Incarus6_> yofel, BluesKaj, thx, I fixed it. After a really annoying bug I disabled "Power Management" in the system settings (it consumed 100% CPU), I haven't realized that it was still disabled ;)
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Incarus6_, glad you were able to fix it :)
[15:07] <pidus> I have a mobile broadband device that used to work fine on kubuntu 10.10 but since I upgraded to 11.04 the device refuses to connect but does get detected. What's more surprising is when I try connect the device on windows, hosted on a virtual machine it works and when its ejected from windows it starts working in linux as well. Any clue how I can avoid starting windows in VM every time
[15:09] <Ddpbf> pidus: kde-network manager does have some problems with 3g internet
[15:09] <pidus> Ddpbf: in 10.10 it worked fine! is it likely to work better in say wicd?
[15:10] <Ddpbf> not
[15:10] <Ddpbf> wicd is primarily for wireless
[15:10] <Ddpbf> wait a sec
[15:10] <Ddpbf> i believe i can find solution
[15:10] <pidus> and what could be changing when trying to connect it on windows through VM and then ejecting that starts making it work on kubuntu?
[15:10] <Ddpbf> just i need to search right thread
[15:11] <pidus> Ddpbf: it'll be great if you *can* find the solution.....or tell me some pointers
[15:12] <BATi> pidus: try something as basic as KPPP if it works... network manager still have some problems and/or regressions when it comes to 3G...
[15:13] <pidus> BATi: ok
[15:13] <Ddpbf> you could also install gnom applet
[15:13] <Ddpbf> it seem it have less porblems than plasmoid
[15:13] <BATi> pidus: eg I had the same problems like you BEFORE I've upgraded to 11.04 :)
[15:13] <Ddpbf> (gnome aplet for nm)
[15:14] <BATi> pidus: yeah, gnome network applet works fine too...
[15:14] <pidus> BATi: and was it resolved on KPPP?
[15:14] <pidus> Ddpbf: ok i'll give that a try
[15:17] <BATi> pidus: kppp is just a frontend to ppp not dependant on netwok-manager... if it works everytime, then you can use it to "get your connection going" without need to boot VB windows... and wait for networkmanager 0.9
[15:17] <pidus> BATi: oh ok...sounds great......hope it works
[15:19] <BATi> pidus: should be... networkmanager-kde is unfortunately... how to say it politely... uncomplete :)
[15:20] <pidus> :-)
[15:21] <BATi> pidus: and I agree with Ddpbf, that installing networkmanager-gnome stuff may be easier solution...
[15:22] <pidus> aha......good that i have multiple options to try
[15:34] <rdallarmi> hi, how do I configure a ps printer that is at a given ip address?
[15:36] <genii-around> rdallarmi: It already is set up and printing, or is new?
[15:37] <rdallarmi> genii-around:  it is there and printing, just first time I configure it from kde
[15:38] <alvin> rdallarmi: lpadmin -p <name> -m <driver> -v socket://<ip-address>:9100 (or LPD)
[15:40] <rdallarmi> tx all I found a way to install it with the printer configuration dialog, not too difficult, just I was puzzled as I thought none of the options let me  specify an ip address
[15:42] <genii-around> rdallarmi: Usually IPP printer, then Generic Postscript  works
[15:42] <genii-around> Apologies on lag, work is very busy
[15:43] <alvin> Hmm, if you want to do it the graphical way and choose AppSocket/HP JetDirect, ipp or LPD/LPR it should be possible. I broke the graphical wizard too much and use command line. (but mind long-standing bug 482547)
[15:43] <KubuntuSnake> Hi I switched from gnome to kde now I have fan problem my model is a42f any fix pleasE?
[15:43] <soee> is it possible to set dynamic size to desktop panel?
[15:44] <rdallarmi> oops spoken too soon, the printers goes as far as printing the test page but it does not print anything else :((
[15:47] <KubuntuSnake> Help my laptop is heating
[15:54] <thoeger> Hi folks; I've recently migrated from U- to Kubuntu, and am attemting to migrate from Thunderbird to KMail as my mail application., but I have a few problems. One is: sent messages are only saved in the sent-mail folder sometimes, and I cannot find any settings to regulate that behaviour.
[15:54] <maco> thoeger: you're using imap and want them to be stored on the server's sent mail folder?
[15:55] <thoeger> maco, yes exactly. Disconnected imap to be precise.
[15:56] <thoeger> maco, but as of now, it seems to use the local sent-mail folder, and only sometimes - sometimes the mail just disappears.
[15:57] <thoeger> Does it mean anything that I'm using sendmail rather than smtp?
[16:06] <maco> thoeger: the kmail settings have an "identity" section
[16:06] <maco> thoeger: i think if you edit the identity, it should have an option for what dir to treat as "Sent"
[16:06] <maco> in my case i set it to GMail/Sent
[16:09] <thoeger> maco, thanks that worked! Only, it was set to the local folder but replies to mails wasn't stored there it seems. Is that a feature or a bug?
[16:12] <maco> thoeger: i dont know...i send enough emails that i dont end up bothering to check whether they went into the folder
[16:13] <maco> (cuz itd be a lot of checking :P)
[16:13] <thoeger> maco, I only noticed because I have some reallly important conversations going on, in which I wanted to check what exactly I'd written and figured it wasn't where it was supposed to...
[16:18] <thoeger> And one more thing... It keeps saying KDEWallet isn't available so it won't store my passwords in encrypted form... But KDE Walet is working fine with other apps. Known problem?
[16:18] <maco> oh good thats not just me
[16:19] <maco> ive been getting that since reinstalling to 11.04
[16:19] <maco> i figured i got my backup wrong or something
[16:19] <thoeger> maco, the KDEWallet issue?
[16:19] <maco> yes
[16:19] <BluesKaj> to me kwallet is useless , wish it wasn't default ...no need for it in my situation
[16:26] <Ddpbf> BluesKaj: it is very usefull
[16:26] <KubuntuSnake> Anyone have heat problem with kubuntu ?
[16:26] <Ddpbf> no need to remember thousands of passwords
[16:27] <BluesKaj> Ddpbf, for you , but not for me
[16:27] <Ddpbf> :)
[16:27] <BluesKaj> I don't use or need thousands of pws
[16:27] <Ddpbf> de gustibus non disputandum est
[16:28] <KubuntuSnake> Anyone have heat problems with kubuntu and know how to ifx ?
[16:28] <KubuntuSnake> fix*
[16:29] <Ddpbf> KubuntuSnake:  no need to ask twice
[16:35] <KubuntuSnake> Anyone have heat problems with kubuntu and know how to fix ?
[16:39] <OerHeks> heat problems, good start is checking the bios, are the values of your ACPI control correct ?
[16:39] <BluesKaj> KubuntuSnake, describe your computer and it's environment
[16:41] <Ddpbf> KubuntuSnake: du you configured cpufreq
[16:42] <KubuntuSnake> Ddpbf: cpufreq ? no what is it ?
[16:54] <KubuntuSnake> .
[16:54] <James147> KubuntuSnake: "heat problems" is very vague... we cannot really help you much unless you give us more details
[16:56] <KubuntuSnake> James147: like what
[16:56] <svaksha> KubuntuSnake: the heat problem is not because of kubuntu, most likely chipset issue, lack of ventilation on your laptop, etc..
[16:57] <genii-around> Well, there have been issues with GPU fans on Nvidia cards for instance.
[16:57] <James147> KubuntuSnake: mostlikly cause is in sufficient cooling combined with abnormally high resource usage (ie, is your cpu at 100% constinatly)
[16:59] <svaksha> genii-around: yeah, nvidia is famous for that
[17:04] <BluesKaj> I already asked him describe your computer and it's environment..but there's no response..dunno how we can help if we don't know the situation
[17:05] <KubuntuSnake> BluesKaj: What do you mean ?
[17:05] <BluesKaj> exactly what I just said
[17:05] <KubuntuSnake> and I didn't had that problem with gnome
[17:06] <KubuntuSnake> BlueKaj: It's a laptop on a desk.
[17:07] <James147> KubuntuSnake: As i suggested check your resource usage..
[17:07] <James147> KubuntuSnake: see if anythings hogging the cpu
[17:08] <BluesKaj> open the system monitor , checj the cpu/process table , check what using cpu process..that could be the reason
[17:08] <James147> KubuntuSnake: Though it is an indication that your laptop cannot cool itself fast enough under load... which isnt a good thing :(
[17:08] <James147> :(
[17:09]  * BluesKaj shrugs ....heh ..he left
[17:09] <KubuntuSnake> sorry.
[17:09] <BluesKaj> back again
[17:09] <James147> BluesKaj: spoke too soon :p
[17:09] <KubuntuSnake> lol
[17:10] <BluesKaj> lol? ...uhmm ok
[17:10] <KubuntuSnake> How to check resource usage ?
[17:10] <James147> KubuntuSnake: System Monitor
[17:10] <BluesKaj> bbl ...gonna check some things
[17:11] <James147> (search for it in the menu or by alt+f2)
[17:11] <KubuntuSnake> hmm
[17:11] <KubuntuSnake> cpu 4 100%
[17:11] <KubuntuSnake> what should i do ?
[17:11] <James147> KubuntuSnake: what process is using it?
[17:11] <KubuntuSnake> ginn
[17:12] <KubuntuSnake> yeah
[17:12] <KubuntuSnake> ginn
[17:12] <KubuntuSnake> 96%
[17:12]  * James147 has never heard of that program before ^^
[17:13] <KubuntuSnake> what to do?
[17:13] <James147> KubuntuSnake: Close it ^^
[17:13] <KubuntuSnake> is it safe ?
[17:14] <James147> KubuntuSnake: I dont know what it is... dont think it part of the default kubuntu desktop so it should be safe to close
[17:14] <KubuntuSnake> thaks it worked
[17:14] <Ddpbf> KubuntuSnake: just type top in konsole and paste outpu somewhere
[17:15] <Ddpbf> ah i was to slow
[17:19] <KubuntuSnake> how to change kubuntu theme ?
[17:20] <James147> KubuntuSnake: theme of what exactly?
[17:20] <KubuntuSnake> of desktop
[17:21] <James147> KubuntuSnake: System settings > Workspace appearence
[17:21] <James147> > desktop theme
[17:22] <KubuntuSnake> stylesheet?
[17:22] <James147> No
[17:23] <James147> KubuntuSnake: desktop widget themes are set at System settings > Workspace appearnce > desktop theme.... stylesheets are used for window widget themeing in qt apps
[17:56] <Fifty-one50> Is there a way to set a different wallpaper for different desktop screens?
[17:57] <James147>  Fifty-one50: if you configure it to use a differnt widget set for each desktop then yes
[17:57] <Fifty-one50> James147: How do I do that?
[17:58] <James147> ^^ System settings > Workspace Behaviour > Virtual desktops - Check "Different widgets for each desktoP"
[17:58] <Fifty-one50> found it. Thank you!
[18:14] <amichair> isn't the dolphin-right-click samba share feature supposed to finally be fixed in Natty?
[18:18] <amichair> has anyone managed to use the gui samba shares?
[18:21] <yofel> it was, at least the fixes for 4.7 were backported to natty
[18:22] <amichair> other than adding a little globe icon to the folder, it seems to do nothing
[18:22] <amichair> and folders that were manually configured in smb.conf (and do work properly) don't appear to be shared as far as the gui is concerned
[18:22] <amichair> maybe someday...
[18:23] <PythonSnake> Hi
[18:23] <PythonSnake> Sorry
[18:23] <PythonSnake> got some computer problems
[18:23] <James147> amichair: I have a feeling it dosnt use smb.conf for setting up the shares
[18:23] <amichair> what does it use?
[18:25] <PythonSnake> Hello I  installed ubuntu now how to switch to kubuntu ?
[18:25] <PythonSnake> how to uninstall gnome programss ?
[18:27] <yofel> PythonSnake: install kubuntu-desktop, then follow
[18:27] <yofel> !purekde
[18:27] <PythonSnake> please help rekonq keep crashing with Segmentation fault
[18:27] <PythonSnake> oh thanks yofel
[18:27] <James147> amichair: I think it uses sambas usershares (a newer way let users add shares to samba without needing root "net usershare XXX" is the command line utils for it) ^^ though I do not know for sure... I am mostly guessing
[18:28] <genii-around> yofel: Is that guide updated for unity?
[18:28] <yofel> good question, probably not
[18:29] <PythonSnake> yofel: sudo: aptitude: command not found
[18:29] <yofel> use apt-get
[18:29] <yofel> ouch, that was last updated for karmic o.O
[18:29] <PythonSnake> ?
[18:30] <yofel> google around a bit, there should be an updated list somewhere
[18:30] <yofel> having gnome installed shouldn't break KDE anyway
[18:30] <PythonSnake> yofel: just using one desktop manager for nt wasting space and having doule applications
[18:31] <yofel> sure, I don't have an updated list at hand though. maybe someone else knows one
[18:34] <PythonSnake> !offtopic
[18:34] <PythonSnake> ok ubottu thanks
[19:11] <kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk> Hi
[19:11] <kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk> I need help for configuring konversation
[19:11] <kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk> sorry for my nick
[19:11] <kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk> cuz the one I use is not accepted.
[19:11] <kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk> help ?
[19:20] <esmirlin> hey guys how can i completly reinstall bcmwl-kernel-source?
[19:25] <introuble> Hi
[19:25] <introuble> I'm trying to configure Konversation with my username PythonSnake
[19:25] <introuble> But it says it's already in use
[19:25] <introuble> how to fix it ?
[19:26] <tsimpson> you can't use a nick someone else is using
[19:27] <gene_> can anyone tell me where the volume control incremental value is storede? presently its about 6 db/step, too much
[19:27] <KubuntuSnake> tsimpson: It's my nick
[19:27] <KubuntuSnake> tsimpson: I registered it
[19:27] <KubuntuSnake> ooh
[19:28] <KubuntuSnake> [19:27] [Notice] -NickServ- You are now identified for PythonSnake.
[19:28] <tsimpson> either you have another connection, or someone is using it
[19:28] <tsimpson> then you should identify to the account, and /ns release PythonSnake  to get the nick back
[19:28] <KubuntuSnake> another connection ?
[19:28] <tsimpson> 2 clients/sessions
[19:28] <BluesKaj> KubuntuSnake, if you're still logged in as the pythonsnake even tho you swtiched nicks , you have to logoff and reconfigure the nick settings before reconnecting
[19:28] <BATi> PythonSnake is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Snake)
[19:29] <KubuntuSnake> ?
[19:29] <KubuntuSnake> I released PythonSnake
[19:29] <KubuntuSnake> now what ?
[19:30] <tsimpson> /nick to it
[19:30] <KubuntuSnake> [19:30] [Error] PythonSnake is currently unavailable.
[19:31] <tsimpson> you need to release twice
[19:31] <tsimpson> once to force the other connection off it, and once to release the protection on it
[19:31] <PythonSnake> yess
[19:31] <PythonSnake> What was that ?
[19:31] <PythonSnake> What is releasing ?
[19:31] <tsimpson> see /ns help release
[19:33] <PythonSnake> tsimpson: Thanks for the help
[19:33] <jwash> hi, i'm using an intel scsi hotswap backplane with a adaptec 29320. the backplane has a i2c connector which is not present on my motherboard or 29320 card. I'm having problems with termination, is this due to the lack of i2c support on my 29320/motherboard? what is the function of the i2c cable?
[19:35] <genii-around> jwash: You may want to ask in ##hardware
[19:36] <PythonSnake> tsimpson: How to group another nick for my account ?
[19:37] <tsimpson> PythonSnake: /nick to it then /msg NickServ group
[19:37] <PythonSnake> I tried /msg NickServ group BashSnake but it says [19:37] [Notice] -NickServ- Nick PythonSnake is already registered to your account.
[19:37] <tsimpson> no... /nick to it then /msg NickServ group
[19:37] <BashSnake> Nevermind.
[19:38] <tsimpson> "group" takes no arguments
[19:38] <tsimpson> and try not to nick spam too much please
[19:38] <JavaSnake> just wanting to register all snake nicks
[19:39] <tsimpson> would have been easier just to open another connection to do the grouping, but /parting all channels works too..
[19:39] <genii-around> Heh
[19:40] <Unit193> Why would you take all the *Snake nicks? That may not be nice to others...
[19:41] <tsimpson> people are greedy I guess
[19:41] <tsimpson> I'm pretty sure there is a limit to the number of nicks you can group anyway
[19:41] <Unit193> And they do timeout...
[19:42] <tsimpson> not automatically
[19:43] <genii-around> I think 30 days no login, someone else can request it gets freed up again if they want to use it
[19:43] <PythonSnake> Hi
[19:43] <PythonSnake> What is default torrent downloader for kde ?
[19:44] <tsimpson> there isn't a default, but ktorrent or kget
[19:45] <PythonSnake> ok
[19:45] <PythonSnake> thx
[19:48] <PythonSnake> help rekonq keeps crashing with Executable: rekonq PID: 15153 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
[19:52] <PythonSnake> help..
[19:58]  * PythonSnake is away: Gone away for now
[19:58]  * PythonSnake is back.
[20:01] <esmirlin> hey i'm having problems trying to install broadcom 4311 driver on kubuntu 11.04, any help?
[20:02] <James147> !afk  | PythonSnake
[20:02] <genii-around> !bcm
[20:02] <genii-around> Hm
[20:02] <genii-around> !b43
[20:02] <genii-around> Ah
[20:03] <PythonSnake> James147: It was automatic. Sorry
[20:16] <soee> any progress with kde 4.7rc packages ?
[20:25] <PythonSnake> anyone know a fast internet browser ?
[20:25] <briandw1969> hello world
[20:25] <briandw1969> what r u using right now?
[20:25] <PythonSnake> firefox
[20:25] <PythonSnake> rekonq keeps crashing
[20:25] <PythonSnake> firefox freeze
[20:26] <briandw1969> ah
[20:26] <briandw1969> u get firefox thru kpackage install?
[20:27] <yofel> firefox works fine here, chromium (package chromium-browser) is nice too
[20:27] <briandw1969> i havent had probs with FF or chromium
[20:28] <briandw1969> rekonq crashes lil bit on me
[20:28] <yofel> soee: please track https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging - we're making progress, but shorthanded as we are it's not going as fast as we would like
[20:28] <genii-around> I have current firefox, plus firefox-trunk, both work nicely. Although npviewer.bin does freeze on occasion
[20:28] <briandw1969> how does seamonkey do in kubuntu?
[20:29] <jmut> hi. I have issue with my lenovo T520. My video card seems ok...have installed nvidia-current driver after disabling OPTIMUS from BIOS...have 3d, good resolution and all. but after I disabled OPTIMUS and had all running...I cannot change brightness anymore...it's always on max. If I try the nvidia-settings GUI..the brightness slider..it does changes ..but last only couple seconds and back to max. any clue howto diagnose the issue? Would be perfect
[20:29] <jmut> if I can change brighness even with console command
[20:30] <yofel> jmut: sec, I've the same issue on my t510
[20:31] <yofel> jmut: add
[20:31] <yofel> Option "RegistryDwords" "EnableBrightnessControl=1"
[20:31] <yofel> to the Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:31] <yofel> works for me
[20:31]  * genii-around makes a note
[20:32] <jmut> yofel: this should allow my function key to work for brighntess?
[20:33] <jmut> interesting..my xorg.conf is 6 lines :) first time I see such conf
[20:34] <yofel> well, by default there isn't one, jockey just creates one so the nvidia driver gets used
[20:35] <jmut> yofel: works like a charm. thanks A LOT
[20:38] <yofel> found it somewhere in the nvidia forums, somewhat of a known issue :/
[21:39] <nerd> sleeping
[21:47] <PythonSnake> Hi
[21:49] <nerd> sleeping
[21:50] <PythonSnake> What is telepathy-logge process ?
[21:50] <nerd> I can't help you there, sorry.
[21:50] <PythonSnake> :(
[21:50] <nerd> I am not as computer savvy as some people.
[21:51] <PythonSnake> it's ok
[21:51] <nerd> You don't want me alive.
[21:57] <gene_> can anyone tell me where the keyboards volume control incremental value is stored? presently its about 6 db/step, way too much...
[22:01] <excognac> hi all
[22:02] <excognac> could a swap twice as big as RAM cause anz trouble_
[22:02] <excognac> ?
[22:05] <James147> excognac: generally upgrading ram shouldnt cause any issue, assuming the ram is compatable with your mother board
[22:09] <excognac> James147: no, I mean I installed kubuntu with 4gb ram and 7.45gb swap partition, no ram has been added
[22:09] <James147> excognac: then no... but that much swap isnt generally needed
[22:10] <James147> excognac: you only need as much swap as total memory you are going to use ^^ with 4 gigs of ram you dont really need much swap... the only exception is if you need to hybernate... then you need as much swap as the memory beeing used when you hybernate
[22:11] <excognac> ok, so why is that kde often slows down whil running 6-7 applications, and once could not restart or turn it off only using the power button on this laptop?
[22:11] <James147> excognac: the old rules that are floating around the internet of "use 2xram as swap" or 1.5x or what ever where really created when ram was expensive and small... they dont really apply anymore
[22:12] <excognac> James147: thank you
[22:13] <James147> excognac: when it starts to slow down check your system resources... see whats causing the problem (high cpu or high ram can both do that)  ^^ if it constinaly high on either then you probally have a miss behaving program thats eating up your resouces
[22:13] <excognac> ok, so now i will make both visual on the panel...
[22:14] <James147> excognac: generally incraesing the amount of swap just gives you more time untill the system is compltly unresponsive ^^ and normally it isnt much time (depending on the problem with the program)
[22:14] <tommy_> hi
[22:14] <tommy_> hola
[22:14] <James147> excognac: thus its better to find the problem program and fix it before the system crashes :)
[22:15] <KubuntuSnake> !es | tommy_
[22:15] <excognac> so how do i find it?
[22:16] <James147> excognac: resource usage? System Monitor can tell you that...
[22:16] <KubuntuSnake> excognac: I have the same problem.
[22:17] <excognac> skype uses 25% cpu
[22:18] <James147> excognac: hmm, seems quite high if its not doing anything ? single core or multicore cpu?
[22:18] <excognac> i3 2310M
[22:18] <excognac> so quite multicore
[22:18] <KubuntuSnake> how to remove rekonq ?
[22:19] <excognac> sudo apt-get remove rekonq
[22:19] <KubuntuSnake> thanks
[22:19] <excognac> or rmove
[22:19] <James147> excognac: then I would say skype is misbehaving (assuming your not in a video call or something)
[22:19] <James147> excognac: close and open it again should fix it for now ^^
[22:20] <excognac> well does not wanna be closed
[22:20] <excognac> so i kill it
[22:20] <James147> excognac: then click skype in the system monitor and click end process
[22:21] <excognac> does not wanna be ended
[22:22] <excognac> killed
[22:22] <James147> excognac: in a terminal type  "killall -9 skype"
[22:22] <James147> ^^ or right click it in system monitor > send sig > kill
[22:23] <excognac> for now it behaves well after restart but i can confirm it was usually clicking on it slowed down the entire system
[22:24]  * James147 notes that the default signal is TERM... which asks the program to exit gracefully... most should respond to this if they dont then its likly they have lost control -9 or thee KILL signal termintes a program without question
[22:24] <Guest23351> is here somebody from UK
[22:24] <James147> Guest23351: That should not matter...
[22:24] <excognac> aYE
[22:25] <KubuntuSnake> is konqueror or firefox faster ?
[22:25] <excognac> for me konqueror but i use firefox with a no script option
[22:26] <KubuntuSnake> no script ?
[22:26] <James147> excognac: if you think skype is always the problem program then its possible there is something wrong with your version ... best steps then are to reset its settings (by renaming its config files in your home) and seeing it that fixes it
[22:26] <KubuntuSnake> what is the "best" browser for you ?
[22:26] <KubuntuSnake> just opinion
[22:26] <James147> !best | KubuntuSnake
[22:26] <KubuntuSnake> ..
[22:26] <James147> KubuntuSnake: try them all see which one YOU like the best
[22:26]  * genii-around prefers firefox
[22:26] <KubuntuSnake> ok
[22:29] <KubuntuSnake> excognac: What is the script ?
[22:30] <excognac> cant find my skype directory lol
[22:31] <James147> excognac: try ~/.Skype
[22:31] <James147> ( ~ means your home, and . means its a hidden file/folder)
[22:31] <excognac> KubuntuSnake: it is an add that makes your browser supersafe but you cant watch youtubue without allowing temporarly
[22:32] <KubuntuSnake> supersafe ? :D
[22:32] <KubuntuSnake> how to do that ?
[22:32] <James147> KubuntuSnake: it stops scripts that are found on websites from executing on your computer
[22:33] <KubuntuSnake> oh
[22:33] <KubuntuSnake> that can stop some flash and other stuff
[22:33] <James147> ^^ these normally provide extra funcionality to the website, but some can be malicious
[22:33] <excognac> that is a more accurate definition
[22:33] <excognac> got skype, yes, it was hidden
[22:33] <excognac> so now?
[22:35] <James147> excognac: if you rename it (closing skype first) then that will effectivly reset skype to its default settings... restart skype then reconfigure it and see if it continues to missbehave
[22:36] <James147> excognac: if you want to restore the old settings delte the newly created .Skype dir and move the old one back again (again, close kype first) that will restore the settings
[22:36] <excognac> James147: so rename .Skype? to wjat?
[22:37] <excognac> *h
[22:37] <James147> excognac: ^^ thats generally the best method to test if there is a problem with the program your your configs for the program (generally its the configs casing a problem with the program)  ^^
[22:37] <James147> excognac: it dosnt matter... generally i add .bak or .ori  to the end of the name so i can easaly rename it again
[22:37] <excognac> ok, I see
[22:47] <Bugsbane> Any word on the street when we're going to see KDEPIM 4.6 in the repos (not the experimental ppa) or see kde 4.7 rc hit some ppa?
[22:50] <yofel> kdepim 4.6 will never hit the repos, haven't yet seen a user where it works perfectly fine, and 4.7 has kdepim bundled again. 4.7 is being worked on (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging) so "soon" in a PPA
[22:55] <Bugsbane> yofel: k. Thanks for the info. Is Kdepim 4.6 really less stable than 4.4x that already comes in the repos though? I thought it was meant to be more stable...
[22:56] <yofel> well, I can't say that 4.4 wasn't buggy, but 4.6 isn't that perfect either. Although I don't use it too much personally.
[22:56] <yofel> Feel free to try it. From what I know you can downgrade back to 4.4 again, although it's a bit fiddly to get the package deps right again (ppa-purge should work I guess)
[22:57] <Bugsbane> lol. No. I don't think anyones expecting it not to be buggy. Just seems odd to not replace something *more* buggy with something *less buggy* where available... even if the later is still fairly buggy.
[22:58] <xelister> how to turn off the fucking annoying KDE sounds?
[22:58] <Bugsbane> xelister: With a hammer (or go to notifications in system settings iirc )
[22:58] <yofel> sys sett. -> application and system notif. -> player settings
[22:59]  * Bugsbane installs experimental ppa.... upgrades... and prays...
[23:00]  * Bugsbane is such a sucker for the latest crack...
[23:01] <KubuntuSnake> !language
[23:01] <xelister> yofel: how to acess system settings?
[23:01] <xelister> how to run the system settings from terminal
[23:02] <xelister> Im on gnome
[23:02] <yofel> systemsettings?
[23:02] <xelister> yofel: meh.  Is there a way to configure which applications can run through the firewall in Kubuntu?
[23:23] <PythonSnake> help my taskbar have black strips on it
[23:23] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: just by port # I believe
[23:24] <LINKSWORD2> So no way to configure it by listing applications and setting whether they're allowed or denied?
[23:25] <LINKSWORD2> PythonSnake: You may be experiencing a low resolution on your graphics card. What type of card is it?
[23:26] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: not that I know of.... doesn't mean it doesn't exist though I guess
[23:27] <LINKSWORD2> :(
[23:27] <PythonSnake> LINKSWORD2: GMA HD
[23:27] <LINKSWORD2> nVidia?
[23:27] <PythonSnake> intel
[23:28] <LINKSWORD2> Intel Graphics Media Accelerator....
[23:28] <LINKSWORD2> Desktop or laptop? :/
[23:28] <lcb> any good image to pdf converter? (for kde)
[23:29] <LINKSWORD2> lcb, I saw something the other day that might help.
[23:29] <PythonSnake> laptop
[23:29] <LINKSWORD2> But I'm busy at the moment.
[23:29] <lcb> hi SIR_Taco, LINKSWORD2 & all not mentioned due to space limitations
[23:29] <SIR_Taco> hi lcb
[23:30]  * LINKSWORD2 pokes lcb with a sharp stick.*
[23:30] <lcb> geeez, where LINKSWORD2?
[23:30] <LINKSWORD2> Hehe. Relax. It's only a poke in the arm.
[23:31] <lcb> ahhh
[23:31] <lcb> uff
[23:31] <LINKSWORD2> PythonSnake: May I query?
[23:31] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: what program(s) are you trying to block from internet access?
[23:31] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not. Just a random curiousity.
[23:31] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[23:32] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: haha ok, well I just researched it a bit... and then general answer is "no"
[23:32] <lcb> SIR_Taco: i believe he's trying this for months - probably all 'networking'
[23:32] <PythonSnake> LINKSWORD2: It might be some icon corrupted
[23:33] <SIR_Taco> lcb: haha ok
[23:33] <LINKSWORD2> .... It's a Dell, isn't it? :/
[23:33] <lcb> an icon on LINKSWORD2 system  is accessing the internet:? :o
[23:34] <lcb> LINKSWORD2: is that the icon for Trojan package?
[23:34]  * LINKSWORD2 slaps lcb with a rolled-up newspaper.
[23:34] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: you can close ports that certain programs use and thus making them non-internet-functional.... but you can't specify a certain program
[23:34] <lcb> :p
[23:34] <SIR_Taco> can't JUST specify a certain program... I meant
[23:35] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[23:35] <lcb> LINKSWORD2: CSI Networking, a partner of CSI Miami. they discover everything.
[23:36] <LINKSWORD2> .... Fail.
[23:38] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: without knowing what you're up to, I can't really recommend anything haha
[23:38] <SIR_Taco> or maybe I don't want to know
[23:38] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[23:38] <PythonSnake> need help for chromonium : Segmentation fault
[23:39] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: installed through your package manager?
[23:39] <LINKSWORD2> PythonSnake: What is the manufacturing company of your computer?
[23:39] <PythonSnake> SIR_Taco: Get and remove programs
[23:39] <PythonSnake> LINKSWORD2: Asus
[23:40] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: so you typed in a console/konsole "sudo apt-get install chromium"?
[23:41] <SIR_Taco> sorry... "sudo apt-get install chromium-browser"
[23:41] <PythonSnake> I need to uninstall it first?.
[23:43] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: no... I'm just trying to figure out how you got the package to begin with. Did you download it from the Google Chrome site? or did you install it from the command-line (like I showed)? or did you use Packagekit, or some other packaage manager?
[23:43] <LINKSWORD2> Python, I can't find an answer for your graphics issue.
[23:44] <PythonSnake> SIR_Taco: I installed with Get and Remove Programs KDE COntrol Module
[23:44] <PythonSnake> LINKSWORD2: so what can I do ?
[23:44] <LINKSWORD2> Hang on a sec. :/
[23:45] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: ok... does it only Seg-Fault on certain sites? or all the time?
[23:45] <PythonSnake> SIR_Taco: all time.
[23:45] <PythonSnake> same error as rekonq.
[23:45] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: same site too?
[23:46] <PythonSnake> SIR_Taco: All time
[23:46] <SIR_Taco> ok
[23:46] <lcb> LINKSWORD2: preventing programs to access net -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1188099
[23:46] <PythonSnake> LINKSWORD2: Do you need a screenshot ?
[23:47] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: they both use webkit.... so that could be an issue... what version is Chrome and rekonq?
[23:48] <PythonSnake> rekonq 0.7.0 and Chromium 12.0.742.91
[23:51] <PythonSnake> LINKSWORD2: Oh. I've found the solution.
[23:51] <LINKSWORD2> Python, this is about the only thing I can find for you.... https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/switchi...-hardware.html
[23:51] <LINKSWORD2> .... D'oh!
[23:51] <PythonSnake> LINKSWORD2: It was themes
[23:52] <PythonSnake> LINKSWORD2: Thanks anyway :)
[23:52] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: I do believe, from looking at the specs of your WebKit version, that it's segfaulting because of your lack of hardware accelleration... which brings us back to your first question
[23:52] <PythonSnake> Now the Segmentation Fault one.
[23:53] <PythonSnake> ?
[23:53] <PythonSnake> how to check ?
[23:54] <SIR_Taco> trying to figure that out
[23:57] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake:  try "chromium-browser --disable-gpu-rendering" in a terminal?
[23:57] <PythonSnake> huh ?
[23:58] <PythonSnake> ~$ chromium-browser --disable-gpu-rendering
[23:58] <PythonSnake> Segmentation fault
[23:58] <SIR_Taco> just says segmentation Fault? nothing else?


[12:33] <mvo> bryceh: do you mind if I upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/667262/ ? the upgrade tester is currently unhappy because of this
[17:11] <bryceh> mvo, yes please go ahead
[18:20] <Sarvatt> goodbye SNA in edgers! :(
[18:20] <bryceh> Sarvatt, problems?
[18:21] <Sarvatt> yeah too many reports of problems that only happen under unity
[18:22] <bryceh> mm
[18:23] <bryceh> Sarvatt, might be worth mentioning to Intel at tomorrow's meeting; I got your invite, are you planning to attend it?
[18:24] <jcristau> i've seen ickle mention sna not liking unity a few times
[18:32] <Sarvatt> yeah they know, there was a bug where ickle said he wasn't even going to look at it until unity is valgrind clean thats been sitting for 2 months :P we wont be turning it on until 12.10 at the earliest anyway and I'm getting tons of complaints (well ~15 emails a week) about it, oddly i dont have any problems on any of my machines
[18:36] <Sarvatt> yeah i'll be on the call tomorrow, shared the calendar entry vanhoof made about it because you werent on it for some reason
[18:45] <ricotz> Sarvatt, did you get the ubuntu-p kernel to compile? i was getting a message like "unsupported kernel version" from the buildscripts yesterday
[18:45] <Sarvatt> yep, one sec
[18:46] <Sarvatt> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=64 AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 skipabi=true fakeroot debian/rules no_dumpfile=1 binary-headers binary-generic
[18:46] <Sarvatt> need the no_dumpfile=1
[18:46] <ricotz> ah, thanks!
[18:47] <ricotz> parallel 64 sounds nice :P
[18:48] <Sarvatt> yeah kernel team quad xeon X7550, 9 minutes or so :P
[18:49] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hehe
[18:50] <ricotz> i hope darktama will rebase nouveau soon, there are too many conflicts to go through them :\
[18:52] <Sarvatt> holy crap thats a lot of commits
[18:53] <Sarvatt> it already missed the merge window so imagine they will
[18:55] <ricotz> exactly ;)
[19:37] <barry> hi folks.  i installed fglrx and it killed my display.  is there any useful diagnostics i can gather for you before i try to uninstall and reinstall the free driver?
[19:37] <Amaranthus> any idea who I should poke about bug 603599 and bug 698009
[19:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 603599 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Please build the vmwgfx driver (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603599
[19:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 698009 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Request to enable vmwgfx driver in kernel config (affects: 1) (heat: 15)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/698009
[20:03] <bryceh> Amaranthus, apw would probably be the best guy to talk to about kernel graphics drivers
[20:04] <Amaranthus> good, you just pinged him for me :)
[20:05] <bryceh> might be EOD; you might want to email him just in case Amaranthus
[20:06] <Amaranth> Didn't even notice my nick was wrong
[20:07] <Sarvatt> Amaranth: while vmwgfx in mesa requires X to build and X requires mesa to build I dont see it getting fixes unless you have any ideas on how to get around that
[20:07] <Sarvatt> s/fixes/fixed/
[20:08] <Amaranth> ah, right
[20:08] <Amaranth> well, just getting the kernel side would help me :)
[20:09] <Amaranth> and we don't need the X driver for GL, do we?
[20:10] <Prf_Jakob> You do
[20:10] <Sarvatt> it builds both the X driver and GL driver inside mesa
[20:16] <Sarvatt> i guess one way would be to have another mesa source package that builds it just for vmwgfx with its own packages that replace the mesa ones like the proprietary drivers?
[20:16] <Sarvatt> that'd be a nightmare
[20:20] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt: do you really need to replace libGL, can't you just get the vmwgfx_[dri|drv].so from there?
[20:26] <Sarvatt> thats a good point, you'd know better than me :) if thats the case it'd be a lot easier though, i'll try it out
[21:28] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: You only need the files Prf_Jakob mentioned, I just did a manual build and copied those to the right places
[21:28] <Prf_Jakob> Amaranth: you got it to work?
[21:28] <Amaranth> Prf_Jakob: I've been running Ubuntu in fusion with working GL/GLES acceleration for like 3 weeks now, it works fine
[21:29] <Prf_Jakob> Nice!
[21:29]  * Prf_Jakob works for VMware and on that driver.
[21:29] <Amaranth> some weird screen corruption sometimes but usually forcing a redraw fixes it
[21:30] <Prf_Jakob> Which compositor?
[21:30] <Prf_Jakob> Unity?
[21:30] <Amaranth> yeah
[21:30] <Prf_Jakob> Ok
[21:30] <Prf_Jakob> I haven't seen anything like that I think
[21:30] <Prf_Jakob> Next time it happens can you take a screenshot?
[21:31] <Amaranth> may have to do it with a camera, usually touching anything makes it go away
[21:32] <Prf_Jakob> Doing it in Mac should be enough (cmd + shift + 4)
[22:28] <RAOF> Sarvatt: We could have cyclic build-depends just fine.  It'd make bootstrapping a new architecture that much less fun, but I don't plan on bootstrapping a new architecture anytime soon :)


[17:38] <supersmilers> Hi. I tried updating the nightly edition of Firefox but I noticed that it is stuck at<PHONE_NUMBER>3540 Build and will not update any further. Is there a reason for this?
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> supersmilers, yeah, we're having a few issues creating uploads
[17:43] <supersmilers> Ah. I noticed that there's a bunch of build failures in the repo but the listings of package isn't affected. Its interesting that Synaptic can only find the current intalled version not the repo listings


[08:20] <dpm> good morning all
[08:36] <andrejz> good morning
[08:42] <dpm> morning andrejz :)
[08:43] <andrejz> i have a couple of questions about import queue but will ask you in about half an hour
[08:43] <andrejz> need to do something work related before that
[08:51] <dpm> ok, cool, yeah, ask whenever :)
[09:00] <RawChid> Good morning
[09:10] <andrejz> Good morning RawChid
[09:12] <RawChid> Hi andrejz
[09:13] <RawChid> How is the "template priority thing" going?
[09:20] <andrejz> @RawChid: I am already done with it :) About 10 packages with new names appeared in oneiric, so i have to only sort those out
[09:22] <andrejz> Now i am working on the import queue
[09:24] <andrejz> i started on friday and there were 219 items in need review and now tehre are only 102 left
[09:25] <dpm> \o/
[09:25] <RawChid> Good work :)
[09:26] <andrejz> some of them are there normally (they linger there for a day or two before they get imported) so actual value is lower
[09:31] <RawChid> dpm, I see launchpadmanager in the code. But that file/class doesn't exist. Is it something you didn't copied yet, or is it to be built?
[09:34] <RawChid> I don't know where to find it, already looked in some other branches
[09:43] <dpm> RawChid, err, sorry, I moved it to another folder and it seems I forgot to commit the change :( - anyway, it's online now, you can find it by pulling the latest commit, thanks for the heads up! :)
[09:48] <RawChid> Ahh great. I discovered something about the search tool
[09:49] <RawChid> When searching in dutch translations, it didn't worked before I login (into Gnome) once with a user using Dutch
[09:49] <RawChid> So the lang pakcs getting copied or something
[09:55] <dpm> RawChid, I'm not sure what you mean by "login into GNOME". The only thing the tool does is to search the translations in the .mo files in /usr/share/locale-langpack
[09:56] <dpm> oh, I think I see what you mean now...
[09:56] <dpm> the tool, when called with no arguments,
[09:56] <dpm> detects the language of your session
[09:56] <dpm> and searches for that language
[09:57] <dpm> but you can specify a language explicitly in the command line
[09:57] <RawChid> Yes, I know
[09:58] <RawChid> Already checked it. But I suspect the /usr/share/locale* dirs getting filled the first time a user logs in
[10:08] <dpm> RawChid, I'm not sure what you mean there. Those dirs are filled when the system installs (or when someone installs a new language)
[10:12] <RawChid> Hmm, I had it last weekend on another system. Can't re-check it right now. Maybe I did something wrong. For the time being not very interesting
[10:14] <dpm> ok :)
[10:25] <andrejz> ok dpm, now it's my turn to bug you :)
[10:26] <andrejz> my first question is how to find out if a package is in main
[10:26] <andrejz> for example tehre are many postgresql related packages with need review status
[11:06] <andrejz> dpm, are you thre?
[13:06] <dpm> hi andrejz, I'm here now
[13:07] <dpm> all templates that end up in the imports queue are in main
[13:07] <dpm> as we're only allowing main imports for now
[13:08] <andrejz> ok, cool
[13:08] <andrejz> next question ;)
[13:08] <dpm> however, sometimes templates get imported because they were in main,
[13:08] <dpm> and then they get demoted to universe
[13:08] <dpm> in those cases we need a way to see if they are in main/universe
[13:08] <andrejz> does it make sense import things such as gcc and postgresql, which are going to be used exclusively by more tehcnical users?
[13:10] <dpm> andrejz, I think it still makes sense, although I'd definitely give them a low priority. Generally, I haven't accepted gcc translations because they seem to come from different packages, and until now I haven't investigated what the right one is
[13:10] <andrejz> ok will do
[13:10] <andrejz> and now for the third question, what to do with packages which include version number
[13:10] <andrejz> for example
[13:10] <andrejz> gnome session
[13:10] <andrejz> in 11.04 there is gnome-session-2.0
[13:11] <andrejz> but now there is gnome-session-3.0 in import queue
[13:11] <andrejz> how to use existing translations in such a case?
[13:11] <dpm> andrejz, I guess we'll have to do the same thing as in evolution
[13:11] <andrejz> the same goes for gcc (gcc-4.5, gcc-4.6) and such
[13:11] <andrejz> @dpm: but there is important difference
[13:12] <andrejz> in that case we need to rename gnome-session-3.0 to gnome-session-2.0, which is incorrect
[13:12] <andrejz> evolution-3.0 > evolution is ok, gnome-session-3.0 > gnome-session-2.0 in not, IMO
[13:13] <andrejz> do you undestrand my dilemma, dpm?
[13:14] <dpm> andrejz, good point. In that case, what do you think if we first rename 'gnome-session-2.0' in all distros to 'gnome-session', and then in oneiric only 'gnome-session-2.0' to 'gnome-session'?
[13:15] <dpm> let me check out what the name was in other releases and if there ever was a 'gnome-session' template or 'gnome-session-1.0'...
[13:15] <andrejz> ok
[13:37] <dpm> andrejz, ok, I've changed 'gnome-session-2.0' to 'gnome-session' to all releases from dapper to oneiric. Do you want to finish this off and approve the new 'gnome-session-3.0' template (and renaming it to 'gnome-session' before you press the button)?
[13:37] <andrejz> sure
[13:38] <andrejz> i should import the first file if there are several of the same files, correct?
[13:45] <dpm> andrejz, correct. If you import the first one, the auto-approver script in Launchpad will take care of the next ones in the queue
[13:46] <andrejz> cool
[13:46] <andrejz> for gcc both 4.5 and 4.6 are in the import queue
[13:47] <andrejz> probably only the newer version should be imported
[13:52] <andrejz> dpm i suggest renaming of postgresql packages
[13:52] <andrejz> since now they include version number
[13:53] <andrejz> so if i want to do that i should only change natty, correct?
[13:53] <dpm> andrejz, ok, let me have a look first...
[14:02] <dpm> andrejz, if we change template names, we should make sure we do it for all releases, since otherwise message sharing won't work (I know, it's a pain :( ). The other thing is that we should probably use version numbers in the case we're shipping two different versions of the software, which looking at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+templates seems to be the case in oneiric (postgresql 8.4 and 9.0). Let me check if the 8.4 templa
[14:02] <dpm> tes should remain active or not...
[14:03] <dpm> ok, it seems that postgresql-8.4 has been demoted to universe, so I'll disable the 8.4 templates first of all
[14:04] <dpm> (in oneiric)
[14:06] <dpm> actually, there is no need to rename templates in previous versions
[14:06] <dpm> for this particular package
[14:08] <andrejz> but if we want to transfer the translations form previous versions names need to be the same
[14:08] <dpm> since the 8.4 translations come from a postgresql-8.4 source package and the 9.0 ones from another. So since the templates are in different source packages translations won't be shared anyway. So the only thing we need to to is to disable all the 8.4 templates in oneiric and approve the 9.0 ones without a version number in the name (as you've already corectly been doing)
[14:09] <andrejz> ok
[14:09] <andrejz> i also added postgresql in front of the name to make it clearer to translator where they come from
[14:12] <dpm> andrejz, yeah, that's a really good idea :)
[14:12] <andrejz> most of the packages start with pg- prefix but not all
[14:18] <dpm> ok, all 8.4 packages are disabled in oneiric now
[14:20] <dpm> andrejz, I've noticed xkeyboard-config is on the queue, although it had been approved before. After investigating it, I saw that in the admin page the path of the oneiric template in LP was different than the one in the import queue entry. The one in the import queue entry is the correct one (upstream changed it), so that one you can just approve as it is in the queue (after approving it, the existing template in LP will be updated with the new pa
[14:20] <dpm> th value)
[14:20] <dpm> brb
[14:24] <andrejz> ok
[14:32] <dpm> andrejz, the localechooser and choosemirror templates are part of debian-installer (they are just generated during the build), so they should be blocked rather than accepted. In general, all templares named templates.pot should be looked at first, because they can generally be blocked
[14:33] <serfus> do typos in different languages (not the english source) should be filed as bugs?
[14:33] <andrejz> ok, i looked at them and they made sense so i accepted them, wasn't aware they are a part of debian installer
[14:34] <andrejz> @serfus: sure. even better get in contact with your translation team directly and tell them about the bug
[14:34] <andrejz> list of reported bugs is not actively checked by all teams
[14:34] <dpm> but they get notified when we assign the bugs to them
[14:37] <serfus> i think that typos should be dealt within a team,
[14:37] <serfus> what i mean is that i see no reason for a bug
[14:38] <andrejz> @sefus: we enourage everyone to just report bugs directly on the mailing list or our chat room, especially if it's something small since it causes extra overhead for everyone if it's reported in launchpad
[14:38] <dpm> serfus, we report them as bugs so that teams can be notified. Now if the reporter knows how to contact each translation team and does that, then there is no need to report the bug. But most people don't know/won't directly contact the translations teams
[14:39] <andrejz> at dpm just wrote what i was about to add :)
[14:39] <dpm> ;)
[14:39] <serfus> roger that
[14:42] <dpm> :)
[14:42] <dpm> andrejz, for gcc we should keep the version number in the template name, since we're shipping both gcc-4.6 and gcc-4.5
[14:43] <andrejz>  is it possible to share translations between them in that case?
[14:46] <andrejz> i have disabled debian installer templates
[14:46] <dpm> andrejz, no, translations are only shared between the same source package and template. In this case they come from two different source packages. To be clear, though, message sharing will still happen for e.g. gcc-4.5 in all previous (and future) Ubuntu releases, and gcc-4.6 for all (future) releases
[14:46] <andrejz> ok i get it
[14:47] <dpm> cool, yeah, thanks for disabling them. As I say, the 'templates.pot' templates are always suspect, and in most cases they should be blocked
[14:49] <dpm> there is something else in gcc apart from the need to rename it, and this is why I hadn't approved the templates yet: there are several imports with the same template but a different path, and I'm not sure which one the right one is. Let me see if I can find out more...
[14:55] <andrejz> ok, i will wait with gcc until i get more information
[15:09] <dpm> andrejz,
 hi doko, I'm looking at the translations imports queue in LP, and there are a couple of .pot templates coming from gcc which I'm not sure what to do with. They are the same template but come from different paths. My guess is that I should approve one (the one from src/) and block the other one (the one from src-spu/), could you please confim? They're these:
[15:09] <dpm>  src/libcpp/po/cpplib.pot
[15:09] <dpm>  src-spu/libcpp/po/cpplib.pot
 dpm: ignore the src-spu one (only built on powerpc)
 doko, ok, cool, thanks
[15:10] <dpm> so we can block the src-spu templates in gcc and approve the others
[15:10] <andrejz> ok, will do
[15:10] <dpm> andrejz, awesome, thanks
[15:12] <andrejz> dpm how long does it take for the script to import all newer templates with the same name
[15:13] <andrejz> dpm, can't find xkeyboard config, have you approved it before me?
[15:14] <dpm> andrejz, the same time it takes for it to import other new templates ~20 minutes if there is no load, ~1 day as a rule of thumb. xkeyboard-config: yeah, I had it opened on a tab, so I thought I might as well approve it :)
[15:15] <andrejz> i am naming gcc packages something like -"gcc-4.6-cpplib"
[15:16] <andrejz> dpm if i understand gcc 4.4. can be safely disabled in 11.10?
[15:19] <dpm> andrejz, apparently gcc-4.4 is still in main, so we need to keep it. As per renaming, in this particular case I'd not rename the templates, since it'd be too much work for too little gain (you'd need to rename all source packages and templates for all releases, and it's not an important template). I'd just stick to the naming we've been following until now (and I'm hoping it was consistent :)
[15:20] <andrejz> so just cpplib as suggested?
[15:21] <dpm> let me think for a second...
[15:22] <dpm> so we've got these 3 templates: cpplib
[15:22] <dpm> gcc
[15:22] <dpm> libstdcpp
[15:22] <dpm> for gcc-4.4, gcc-4.5 and gcc-4.6
[15:23] <dpm> so perhaps we should just attach the -4.4, -4.5 or -4.6 suffix to each of them
[15:24] <andrejz> ok, sure
[15:25] <dpm> andrejz, if you're doing it, please do that only for the gcc-4.5 and gcc-4.6 source packages, which are new (had not been approved before). For gcc-4.4 we'll need to rename the templates in all series to make message sharing work, but
[15:26] <dpm> I don't want to do this manually, so let me see if I can extend the tool to set priorities to do renames as well
[15:26] <serfus> i would like to fix Bug #789567 as the fix is very easy, but i have no idea where to start... one of you knows and have some time to spare? ;-)
[15:26] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 789567 in sessioninstaller (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Typo string 38 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789567
[15:26] <dpm> and let's leave the gcc-4.4 template name untouched, so that we remember they need to be changed
[15:26] <andrejz> ok dpm
[15:27] <dpm> serfus, great :) So here's how you can start, if you're familiar with bzr. Run 'bzr branch sessioninstaller'
[15:28] <dpm> err, sorry, typo:
[15:28] <dpm>     bzr branch lp:sessioninstaller
[15:29] <serfus> ya :)
[15:29] <serfus> okay got it
[15:29] <serfus> (first time a bzr-ed this way)
[15:30] <serfus> dpm, what would the translation file look like?
[15:37] <dpm> serfus, the source file reference in launchpad tells you where in the source code this string comes from, but you can also search it manually. So now you can change directory to the sessioninstaller branch you've just checked out and run:
[15:37] <dpm>     grep -R -n --exclude *.po "opened and" *
[15:38] <dpm> the output of this command will tell you in which file the original string comes from
[15:38] <dpm> so it seems it's the sessioninstaller/core.py file, on line 761, right?
[15:38] <dpm> everything clear so far?
[15:40] <serfus> right
[15:40] <serfus> but there is no such file or directory
[15:41] <dpm> there is on my system, I've just checked out the branch and followed the steps as I was explaining
[15:42] <dpm> serfus, are you inside the sessioninstaller directory?
[15:42] <dpm> you can open it in nautilus
[15:42] <serfus> yes
[15:42] <serfus> i am in nautilus
[15:42] <dpm> inside there should be another 'sessioninstaller' directory
[15:42] <serfus> could be i just don't see it
[15:43] <dpm> serfus, what exactly can't you see?
[15:43] <serfus> oh i see
[15:43] <serfus> my bad
[15:43] <serfus> :)
[15:43] <dpm> ok, no worries :) have you found the core.py file where the string comes from?
[15:44] <serfus> yes
[15:44] <dpm> if so, you can now open it with an editor, go to line 761 and fix the string
[15:44] <dpm> let me know when you're done
[15:44] <andrejz> only about 50 templates imported before 2011-05-29 remaining :)
[15:45] <serfus> dpm, done
[15:45] <dpm> andrejz, wow, cool :)
[15:46] <andrejz> dpm i will bug you again tommorow, i wan't to get it at least down to 30 before translations open
[15:46] <dpm> serfus, ok, now save the file in the editor and go back to the command line, where you should type 'bzr status' and then let me know what the output of the command line is
[15:46] <dpm> andrejz, excellent :)
[15:47] <serfus> modified:
[15:47] <serfus>   sessioninstaller/core.py
[15:49] <serfus> arr dpm i have to leave now... thanks allot, i'll be back later and will continue
[15:49] <dpm> excellent, now you can just commit your changes:
[15:51] <dpm>      bzr commit --fixes=lp:789567
[15:51] <dpm> Then you push the branch into LP:
[15:52] <dpm>     bzr push lp:~serfus/sessioninstaller/bug-789567
[15:54] <dpm> then go to your https://code.launchpad.net/~serfus code page in LP, find the branch, click on it, and then click on the "Propose for merging" button
[15:54] <dpm> This will submit your branch to the sessioninstaller developers to merge your changes.
[15:55] <dpm> Additionally, you should go to bug 789567, click on "Link a related branch" and add the link to the branch
[15:55] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 789567 in sessioninstaller (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Typo string 38 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789567
[15:55] <dpm> And that should be it :)


[12:51] <Spads> Good afternoon.  Is something very big happening on ubuntu-it.org?
[14:13] <Carlin0> !english | Spads
[14:13] <ubot-it> Spads: Please join the international channel #ubuntu if you want to speak english. Here only italian language is permitted. Thank you
[14:14] <Spads> Carlin0: I do not speak Italian, but I am a Canonical IS employee trying to work out why the machine we host for ubuntu-it is using a large amount of bandwidth right now.
[14:19] <Carlin0> Spads, i don't speak engliish (i use google traslator) this channel is dedicated exclusively to ubuntu support, maybe you should ask on #ubuntu-it-web or #ubuntu-it-forum
[14:19] <[Enrico]> Carlin0: io parlo Inglese, se serve aiuto fammi sapere
[14:20] <Carlin0> per ora mi so arrangiato :)
[14:20] <[Enrico]> Carlin0: alla grande anche ;)
[16:18] <FrancescoM> ciao a tutti


[04:34] <ikepanhc> @pilot in
[06:50] <dholbach> good morning
[08:58] <Laney> jamespage: Can I ask you about golang in saucy? ;-)
[08:58] <jamespage> Laney, yep
[08:59] <Laney> jamespage: OK, one second...
[08:59] <Laney> jamespage: Right then, compile and run this please: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5992017/
[09:00] <Laney> it's broken on saucy but if I rebuild the Debian package without the Ubuntu changes then it works
[09:00] <jamespage> Laney, oh - you'll love this one
[09:00] <jamespage> Laney, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=719611
[09:01] <Laney> yes I found something like this while googling
[09:01] <jamespage> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/golang/+bug/1211749
[09:01] <jamespage> Laney, when you build it locally I suspect you are building on amd64 right?
[09:02] <Laney> so it's some buildd problem
[09:02] <Laney> yes
[09:02] <jamespage> Laney, this is due to the cross-compilation stuff that got introduced in saucy
[09:02] <Laney> oh they're arch:all packages
[09:02] <Laney> aaaaaaaaaaa
[09:02] <jamespage> in launchpad the i386 build produces the amd64 cross compile package
[09:02] <jamespage> but its broken because if can't cross compile the CGO bits
[09:03] <jamespage> if you tried that on i386 it would work
[09:03] <Laney> so I guess the debian maintainer built on amd64 hence it works there
[09:04] <jamespage> Laney, maybe
[09:04] <jamespage> Laney, its really awkward to fix without breaking the cross-compile feature as well
[09:05] <jamespage> as you really want os/user built on the native arch build
[09:05] <jamespage> but you might also want to use that for cross compile....
[09:05] <jamespage> bah
[09:05] <rbasak> stokachu: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5992058/ - is this what you're seeing, or do you see more test failures? I think it might be an artefact of the schroot, so I'll try again inside LXC instead.
[09:06] <rbasak> ^^ was with http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5992058/
[09:06] <rbasak> err, 5.5.31-0ubuntu1. Wrong paste buffer.
[09:07] <Laney> jamespage: yeah :/
[09:26] <Noskcaj> jodh, Can you merge libnih? It's got no conflicts, just needs merging
[09:52] <Laney> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:28080/search?weighted=1&q="Hello,+world"
[09:53] <Laney> it's alive! (sort of)
[10:05] <sil2100> ikepanhc: hi! Would you be able to sponsor a new package into universe for us? ;) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1212993
[10:05] <sil2100> ikepanhc: it's something that will be used by a new unity scope and music app
[10:06] <ikepanhc> sil2100: hmm, I am not MOTU. let me talk to someone and see if he can do that
[10:07] <sil2100> ikepanhc: thanks ;)
[10:08] <ikepanhc> no problem
[10:08] <sil2100> ikepanhc: I already poked around for some people in #ubuntu-motu, but the usual people that do this for us are away today
[10:08] <sil2100> ikepanhc: while we want to get things in as soon as possible since FF is near
[10:10] <ikepanhc> yes, aug-29th
[10:13] <brendand> why is it so hard to find decent documentation for debian rules files?
[10:14] <rbasak> brendand: what are you after? Debian policy defines the targets, and then the documentation for the contents usually depends on the build system and/or helper you're using (eg. debhelper).
[10:16] <brendand> rbasak, well it's a qt based project - so i guess it's supported by debhelper?
[10:17] <rbasak> brendand: you're trying to write a new one?
[10:17] <brendand> rbasak, what do you mean?
[10:17] <rbasak> brendand: I don't understand what you're looking for.
[10:18] <brendand> rbasak, i'm trying to write a rules file which builds my project
[10:19] <ikepanhc> sil2100: freeflying told me if you have a package ready he can ack for you. please contact him at #ubuntu-motu
[10:20] <brendand> rbasak, i guess i should read debhelper documentation
[10:20] <rbasak> brendand: ah, OK. I'm not sure about qt specifically, but in general debhelper does the right thing automatically, so you might start off with a minimal debhelper-based rules file and see if that works. There might be some qt-specific runes you need, but they should be minimal. I'd look at an existing package to see.
[10:21] <brendand> rbasak, i think the main issue is that my .pro file is not at the root of the source so i may need to override something
[10:21] <rbasak> brendand: https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging#Step_3:_Add_the_Debian_packaging_files and scroll down a bit to see what a minimal debhelper rules file looks like.
[10:22] <ikepanhc> @pilot out
[10:30] <sil2100> ikepanhc: thanks! Will do :)
[10:31] <ikepanhc> :D
[10:55] <caribou> 5
[11:46] <sil2100> tseliot: ah ha! Hi Alberto!
[11:46] <sil2100> tseliot: can I 'use' you for some small task ;)?
[11:47] <sil2100> tseliot: since you see, we need a core-dev to ACK packaging changes before we can daily-release it into Ubuntu, and we have one here
[11:47] <sil2100> tseliot: it's a small packaging change but still, someone needs to say if the packaging changes aren't harmful or anything
[11:47] <sil2100> tseliot: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/WebApps/job/cu2d-webapp-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_unity-webapps-qml_0.1+13.10.20130816.1-0ubuntu1.diff <- there's not much here besides 2 lines
[11:48] <sil2100> tseliot: (diff only shows packaging changes)
[11:49] <ogra_> sil2100, no mention of the dependency change in the changelog ...
[11:49] <ogra_> apart from that it looks fine
[11:50] <sil2100> ogra_: yeah, sometimes those get missed, as the changelog is being updated automatically - is that a blocker, or can we publish anyway?
[11:52] <ogra_> sil2100, well, can you make sure this happens in the future ... if someone greps the changelog for such stuff when debugging he should be able to find anything
[11:52] <ogra_> beyond that, happy upload
[11:53] <sil2100> ogra_: we'll let upstreams know that they should include info about such things in the commit messages so that it happens less frequently :)
[11:53] <mdeslaur> @pilot in
[11:54] <ogra_> sil2100, great
[11:58] <tseliot> sil2100: +1 from me too
[12:01] <sil2100> tseliot, ogra_: thanks guys
[12:02] <ogra_> np
[13:33] <caribou> mdeslaur: I need your patchpilot attention on a couple of SRU (one that you've already looked at)
[13:33] <mdeslaur> caribou: sure, which ones?
[13:33] <caribou> mdeslaur: LP: #1005901 is the one you commented on
[13:34] <mdeslaur> caribou: I just uploaded that one literally 30 seconds ago :)
[13:34] <caribou> mdeslaur: :D
[13:34] <caribou> mdeslaur: the other one is LP: #816153
[13:34] <caribou> infinity and cjwatson have both helped me with this one a while ago
[13:35] <mdeslaur> caribou: ok, let me take a look
[13:36] <caribou> mdeslaur: for this last one, the proper way would have been to change configure.ac, but the debian packaging is badly broken
[13:36] <caribou> mdeslaur: so I followed cjwatson's advice
[13:40] <sil2100> Can any core-dev give us a green light for a daily-release packaging change?
[13:40] <sil2100> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Unity/job/cu2d-unity-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_libunity_7.0.11+13.10.20130816.2-0ubuntu1.diff <-
[13:40] <sil2100> We need to release this ASAP
[13:41] <sil2100> Thanks in advance!
[13:41] <sil2100> mdeslaur: maybe you could help? :)
[13:43] <sil2100> Scratch that, ogra_ performed the ACK
[13:44] <mdeslaur> sil2100: cool
[13:48] <mdeslaur> caribou: do you have a few minutes to fix a few small details in your dante debdiffs?
[13:49] <caribou> mdeslaur: sure
[13:50] <roaksoax> xnox: howdy!! so I've been trying to re-enable clvm (for corosync only) against the newer dlm (which is still in universe), however, it FTBFS. The funny thing is that If I configure it locally, it does not fail: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5992776/ http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5992774/
[14:00] <mdeslaur> caribou: ok, commented in bug
[14:00] <caribou> mdeslaur: ok looking
[14:03] <caribou> mdeslaur: about point  #4, I had noticed the case on my system as well, but concluded that it would not be an issue in a build environment
[14:03] <mdeslaur> caribou: ok, can you please add a not to that effect in the patch header?
[14:03] <mdeslaur> note
[14:04] <caribou> mdeslaur: ok, will do. I'll fix the other minor issues
[14:09] <mdeslaur> caribou: cool, let me know when you're done, and I'll upload them
[14:20] <arges> is there a 'best-practice' way to use something like a control.in file to generate a control file?  I've seen many packages just use sed, but am wondering if there is a better way. thanks
[14:29] <jtaylor> having a control.in is not considered best practice, why do you need it?
[14:29] <jtaylor> cdbs provides some tools to use it I think
[14:43] <caribou> mdeslaur: just uploaded new debdiffs to the dante bug
[14:43] <mdeslaur> caribou: thanks
[14:44] <caribou> mdeslaur: as discussed, I didn't change the logic for point #4 but added a note to the patch header
[14:44] <mdeslaur> caribou: ok
[15:00] <stokachu> rbasak: thats exactly what i saw
[15:00] <stokachu> rbasak: re mysql build
[15:02] <tseliot> slangasek: are you around?
[15:03] <mdeslaur> caribou: uploaded dante to saucy and proposed. thanks!
[15:04] <caribou> mdeslaur: saucy & precise ? np
[15:04] <caribou> mdeslaur: thank you
[15:04] <mdeslaur> whoops, yes, precise
[15:29] <smoser> slangasek, ping.
[15:29] <smoser> jodh, maybe.
[15:29] <smoser> lxc has clone via overlayfs now (example at https://gist.github.com/smoser/6199772).
[15:30] <smoser> thats *really* nice. except for the whole inotify/reload-configuration thing.
[15:30] <smoser> for upstart in > saucy, its sufficient to write a job and then run 'initctl reload-configuration'. that sucks, but oh well.
[15:31] <smoser> but in precise, with overlayfs below the container, 'apt-get install some-service' results in 'some-service' not running by default as you'd expect (because it puts the job in /etc/init, runs 'start job', but upstart says "what job?")
[15:32] <smoser> i'm looking for a generic way to solve the 'apt-get install' path.
[15:41] <jodh> smoser: I'd rather not put hacks into Upstart to work around kernel bugs. However, maybe an option is to tweak invoke-rc.d to detect if /etc/init is on overlayfs and force a reload.
[15:42] <smoser> jodh, right. thats the kind of thing i was thinking.
[15:42] <smoser> diverting 'start' and doing it there might also be an option.
[15:42] <hallyn_> jodh: is un-implemented inotify in an fs really a "kernel bug" though?
[15:42] <smoser> kernel , upstart, FIGHT!
[15:43] <hallyn_> i'd deposit a quarter to see that
[15:43] <jodh> hallyn_: I thought the problem was that it (partially?) claims to support inotify but actually lies?
[15:43] <hallyn_> jodh: oh, if so then that's a bug :)  how does it claim that though?  inotify syscalls succeeding?
[15:43] <smoser> jodh, does upstart do anything if it was told the truth and there was no support ?
[15:43] <smoser> hallyn_, its possible that the intofiy *does* work.
[15:43] <smoser> and goes through to someone monitoring the underlay
[15:44] <smoser> i dont know.
[15:44] <sil2100> kenvandine: ping!
[15:44] <hallyn_> smoser: me neither :)
[15:44] <hallyn_> and in either case i wouldn't want hacks saying "if this is overlayfs" in upstart - rather just "if /etc doesn't support inotify"
[15:47] <kenvandine> sil2100, pong
[15:48] <sil2100> kenvandine: do you know if maybe you could upload my new package to the archive ;) ?
[15:48] <sil2100> kenvandine: since dholbach seems to be AFK
[15:48] <sil2100> kenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1212993
[15:48] <kenvandine> sure
[15:49] <mdeslaur> @pilot out
[15:55] <sil2100> kenvandine: thank you! :D
[15:55] <sil2100> kenvandine: I was trying to release it for like 7 hours now :D
[15:56] <sil2100> dholbach found some small issues we fixed, there's also some hardening question there, but upstream will deal with that in next versions if there indeed is a problem
[15:56] <kenvandine> sil2100, uploaded
[15:57] <sil2100> kenvandine: WOHA
[15:57] <sil2100> :D
[15:57] <sil2100> kenvandine: I think I owe you another beer!
[15:57] <kenvandine> :)
[15:57]  * kenvandine likes beer!
[18:37] <rickspencer3> e
[20:12] <asomething> anyone around that might be able to help me figure out why a package isn't migrating?
[20:12] <asomething> update_excuses says the autopkgtest for bzr is marked failing, but the most recent run on jenkins is successful
[20:38] <asomething> ^^ maybe cjwatson ?
[20:39] <infinity> asomething: The root of the problem needs looking at, but I've nudged bzr to migrate.
[20:40] <asomething> infinity, thanks. I just wasn't sure if I was missing something. update_output.txt didn't mention bzr at all
[20:41] <infinity> asomething: Right, it won't be in output if it fails in the excuses stage.


[12:28] <gnomefreak> ok ill check messages in morning before i pack up pc for drive home tomorrow ;)
[01:19] <joejaxx> i dislike it when i do that
[01:19] <joejaxx> forget the / in front of irssi commands
[04:29] <asac> hi all ... sorry ... my connection was so unsteady that I was demotivated to even try to look if I am online :)=
[04:30] <asac> bug 90477
[04:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90477 in firefox "Copy/paste does not work if Firefox is closed down" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90477


[07:12] <Etua> Hello, I recently installed JOSM but when I try to open it I can only see it's icon on the task bar for a few seconds and nothing happens after that. What may be the problem?
[23:31] <cw_the_developer> Evening y'al
[23:31] <cw_the_developer> how's it going
[23:33] <cw_the_developer> I was wondering if I could get a little assistance


[00:08] <Alison_Chaiken> Hey, my packages uploaded: yay!    They don't build because the build system claims it has never heard of cmake and qmake, but that will wait until after the New Year's Party.    Happy Holidays, wgrant and all assembled.
[09:39] <hlamer> I'm trying to upload package to PPA and have strange problem :  Uploading fresh_1.1.0-4-ppa2_source.changes: 1k/2k550 Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 1, u'General error')", "(7, 1, u'General error')", "(7, 1, u'General error')"] : Permission denied.
[09:39] <hlamer> What does mean this General error?
[09:40] <hlamer> Package is signed. Key has been added to list of my launchpad keys half an our ago
[09:42] <micahg> hlamer: bug 798957
[09:54] <hlamer> ubot5: should I add a comment, that problem reproduced for me, and add some details?
[09:56] <hlamer> hehe
[09:57] <micahg> hlamer: no, it's a known issue
[09:57] <hlamer> ok, let's hope it will be fixed
[09:57] <hlamer> thanks
[21:44] <mcc> Hello... is there a way to download from Launchpad using either Mercurial or svn?
[21:45] <mcc> Similar to how github and mercurial have limited svn bridges.
[21:45] <mcc> err , github and bitbucket
[21:45] <Ampelbein> Nope, you have the choice between bzr and bzr. ;-)
[21:47] <Resistance> mcc:  what Ampelbein
[21:47] <Resistance> said
[21:47] <Resistance> ugh, evil keyboard
[21:48] <_elias__> Good evening everybody, I have a problem with Launchpad
[21:49] <czajkowski> _elias__: I suggest just asking it's kinda quiet but someone may be able to help you
[21:54] <mcc> Ampelbein/Resistance: OK. A semi-related question-- I see bzr has plugins that let it bridge to svn, hg, and git
[21:54] <Resistance> bridge... *to*?
[21:54] <Resistance> i thought that was only for imports, Ampelbein
[21:54] <mcc> i'm finding claims on the internet there are plugins that let you clone from (and possibly push back to?) svn, hg, git repositories when using bzr
[21:54] <wgrant> mcc: Right.
[21:54] <mcc> i was curious how usable these plugins are in practice
[21:54] <Resistance> ehh
[21:55] <wgrant> bzr-git and bzr-svn are very usable.
[21:55] <wgrant> bzr-svn you can push fine.
[21:55] <Resistance> yeah, what wgrant said
[21:55] <mcc> I have been using hg, and there are hg-git and hgsubversion plugins, but they have many problems, they crash a lot when you try to use more obscure features like `hg outgoing` and sometimes they do unpredictable things
[21:55] <wgrant> bzr-git you can't push, but you can dpush and lose a bit of metadata.
[21:55] <wgrant> bzr-hg works for some repos, but not others. It's far less mature.
[21:55] <mcc> hm, ok
[21:55] <mcc> that's very interesting, thank you
[21:55] <wgrant> But I use bzr-svn and bzr-git whenever I want to interoperate with svn or git.
[21:56] <wgrant> The most common issue is that bzr-git won't work with repos that contain submodules.
[21:56] <mcc> interesting
[21:56] <mcc> the way i understand git... wouldn't supporting submodules be very very difficult?
[21:57] <wgrant> git's current implementation of submodules is a little, uh, special.
[21:58] <_elias__> I'm can't create an account. I type my name, my email address, I choose a password, I type the words in the anti spam field, I click "continue" but the procedure not continue
[21:59] <mcc> that seems to be the case with many features of git
[21:59] <mcc> anyway thanks
[21:59] <wgrant> _elias__: It just doesn't do anything?
[21:59] <wgrant> mcc: Heh, yes.
[21:59] <wgrant> _elias__: What happens when you click the button?
[21:59] <wgrant> And which browser are you using, and do you have JavaScript enabled?
[22:00] <Resistance> _elias__:  out of curiosity, are you using some type of noscript plugin in whatever web browser you're using?
[22:00] <_elias__> white a moment please
[22:03] <_elias__> when I click "continue" the browser return on registration page
[22:03] <_elias__> I use Chromium
[22:04] <wgrant> Do you have cookies and JavaScript enabled?
[22:05] <_elias__> I have javascript and cookies enabled
[22:17] <mcc> Heh. So you can change the playmobil figure icon on your profile but not the one next to your name in the upper right corner?
[23:06] <micahg> I've stopped receiving upload confirmation e-mails