[06:48] <mike__> when's the new ubuntu getting released
[06:48] <mike__> what's it called?
[06:49] <talon> hi guys, can anyone point me to a good guide for setting up resolutions for my monitor, i followed the one on the site with no luck. Got a 20" for crimble and it isn't really an upgrade as i'm now stuck in 800x600
[06:49] <beetlefrosch> #loeblich
[06:49] <trappist> !tell talon about fixres
[06:49] <nalioth> mike__: ubuntu releases every 6 months in april and october
[06:49] <mike__> talon: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:49] <braniff> how do i boot 5.10 (breezy) into recovery mode ??
[06:50] <mike__> Seveas is my hero
[06:50] <talon> trappist: & mike__: thanks alot guys i'll give that a spin, very kind of you
[06:50] <mike-e> =)
[06:51] <ROBOd> i got motv ... and there's an error when  try to start it: libXm.so not found... where to get it?
[06:53] <Enlil_Ishtar> When I play a *.rmvb video with xine-ui, there is sound only the first 3 or 4 seconds, and then, no more sound :x
[06:53] <ph8> Anyone think it's possible to reiser my partition from ext3 without losing any data or will I need to back it all up offsite?
[06:53] <mike-e> =o
[06:53] <Enlil_Ishtar> anyone can help me?
[06:53] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Enlil_Ishtar about sound
[06:54] <Enlil_Ishtar> ok ^
[06:54] <nalioth> ph8: why you'd want to go to reiser is beyond me, but back up your stuff
[06:54] <Enlil_Ishtar> ^^*
[06:54] <trappist> <3 reiser
[06:54] <mike-e> ph8: i'd back it up
[06:54] <mike-e> reiser is the fs for solaris right?
[06:54] <nalioth> mike-e: you can use it here, too
[06:54] <trappist> no
[06:55] <ph8> I was under the impression reiser is the most elite FS out there
[06:55] <ph8> why wouldn't I want to change to it?
[06:55] <mike-e> heh
[06:55] <ph8> no.. really
[06:55] <ph8> :)
[06:55] <mike-e> you gonna drink jolt cola whilst compiling shit on that fs?
[06:56] <tmorton> How can I extract the files in a deb?
[06:56] <ph8> A chap I know heard i was using ext and was mortified
[06:56] <trappist> ph8: that's the word hans reiser puts out there.  I like it fine but I don't believe everything hans says about it.
[06:56] <mike-e> he's a moron then
[06:56] <ph8> So its not quicker and just generally better than ext3?
[06:56] <trappist> ph8: it wastes less space than ext3 and is faster if you have zillions of small files
[06:56] <mjr> it's not generally better
[06:57] <ph8> I see
[06:57] <mike-e> i'm getting a lot of locale errors during this hoary -> breezy upgrade, is that typical?
[06:57] <ph8> so it's a good bet in your opinion(s) to stay with ext3?
[06:57] <nalioth> mike-e: language please
[06:57] <mjr> for reliability, I'd pick ext3
[06:57] <ph8> Ah ok, cheers
[06:57] <ph8> my hoary -> breezy upgrade was a nightmare
[06:57] <ph8> probably because i was uninstalling kde at the same time
[06:57] <mike-e> maybe i'l just grab an iso
[06:57] <trollducky> nalioth, it seems you need a script
[06:57] <trollducky> dag*^#$t
[06:58] <trollducky> ;-)
[06:58] <ph8> Here's an interesting problem: Whenever I plug in my printer /dev/usb/lp0 (printer) is set to a set of permissions/ownership that stops me using it unless I 777 it, anyone else had this problem?
[06:58] <mike-e> i have ran into problems with perl and locales on debian sarge too tho, this seems to be the same error
[06:58] <trollducky> trappist, I hate #*^$ing Reiser
[06:58] <trollducky> and not just under krnl 2.4.8
[06:58] <trollducky> (the FS, not the man, of course)
[06:59] <trappist> trollducky: you're allowed to hate it
[06:59] <trappist> I hate xfs
[06:59] <Enlil_Ishtar> nalioth> well, this help seems to apply if I have no sound at all. But I have sounds. The Ubuntu sounds, I can listen to a *.mp3, and I have sound at the begining of the video (and then it become mute)
[06:59] <mike-e> jeeze, anyong get a bunch of locale errors when upgrading to breezy?
[06:59] <nalioth> trollducky: trappist: a forest awaits in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:59] <mike-e> nalioth, lol
[06:59] <trollducky> trappist, I've never actually used xfs, what differentiaties from everything else?
[07:00] <nalioth> Enlil_Ishtar: your sound server needs tweaking, read all the info at the wiki
[07:00] <trollducky> oh, shee-oot -- sorry -- wrong window
[07:00] <mike-e> nalioth, that's the funniest way of calling someone a troll i've ever heard
[07:00] <Enlil_Ishtar> ok
[07:00] <trollducky> <-- mike-e
[07:00] <ph8> Sorry for the multitude of questions but how would i go about updating the kernel to the latest everytime without specifying 2.6.18 or whatever - i heard there was a way to do it, is it apt-get install linux-686?
[07:01] <ROBOd> guys ... i see the tuner image in vlc and in xawtv ...
[07:01] <mike-e> mozilla pisses me off with these profiles crap
[07:01] <ROBOd> but ... in xawtv i can't change the frequencies in a proper way ...
[07:01] <note> sry but closed the main amarok window and cant get it back
[07:01] <ROBOd> meaning: they have predefined tables for countries
[07:01] <nalioth> ph8: your box will update to the latest kernel by itself
[07:01] <trappist> ph8: I believe it's apt-get install linux
[07:02] <ph8> nalioth: hmmm
[07:02] <aidehua> trollducky: use ext3! http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html
[07:02] <ph8> i have 2.6.12 and .10 installed i think
[07:03] <trollducky> aidehua, I do -- almost exclusively
[07:03] <ROBOd> i can't get it to scan all frequencies (only with scantv ... which doesn't find any channel)
[07:03] <visik7> can someone send his menu.lst of the standard ubuntu install ?
[07:03] <ph8> mine didn't update, it appears 2.6.12-10 is out and i have -9
[07:04] <note> nvm
[07:04] <nalioth> ph8: that sounds weird.
[07:04] <Enlil_Ishtar> how to restart the sound server?
[07:06] <note> why wont amarok play
[07:06] <note> i have a podcast lloaded mp3's can play but  hear nothing
[07:06] <Boogyman> Im using a laptop and I am trying to permanantly disable the touchpad when I start I have tried the stuff on the forums I have no ability to disable the pad from the bios this command works: sudo modprobe -r psmouse but I have to do it every time I start the computer is there a way to make a hotkey to do it or to have it auto run?
[07:07] <ph8> note: firewalls?
[07:07] <note> i dled the podcast already
[07:07] <ph8> You can definitely make it autorun boogyman
[07:07] <ph8> I don't even know what a podcast is, i'm a bit behind the times - i assumed it was steaming audio
[07:07] <trappist> Boogyman: just take psmouse out of /etc/modules
[07:08] <ph8> * streaming
[07:08] <note> well
[07:08] <optikal> If I want to add a script to be ran before the fstab is inititiated, what runlevel should I specify when adding to /etc/init.d/? (or does runlevel 2 get initiated before fstab?)
[07:08] <note> it isnt but the way it is dled is streaming
[07:08] <Boogyman> going to try that thank you trappist
[07:08] <note> off a rss server and a rss feeder can intercept it
[07:08] <ph8> surely if fstab isn't loaded you couldn't access the filesystem?
[07:10] <optikal> ph8: haha good point.  I need to run a script (dmraid) to activate my raid, and then I need to mount my raid after the script is ran..  how would you recommend going about this?
[07:12] <mike-e> whoever told me earlier that upgrading from hoary to breezy was blatently wrong
[07:13] <ROBOd> how to check if i have bttv driver installed?
[07:13] <kemik> mike-e:  was wrong about what?
[07:13] <trappist> ROBOd: modprobe -la | grep bttv
[07:13] <ROBOd> i have in Device Manager BT878 Video and Audio devices
[07:14] <ROBOd> trappist: yes, thanks, i got it
[07:14] <tuv> how do i upgrade the ipw2200 drivers? there is no ipw2200-source package
[07:14] <mike-e> kemik, about it being simple
[07:14] <kemik> ah
[07:14] <Viper550> Hi again ev1!
[07:15] <Viper550> I run KDE 3.5
[07:15] <ROBOd> trappist: the fact I see the TV noise in vlc when selecting the /dev/video0 via v4l ... does mean the tuner is properly installed and working?
[07:15] <tuv> can i use debian's ipw2200-source package?
[07:15] <Viper550> I also have transparent menus!
[07:15] <trappist> ROBOd: probably means you need to change the channel
[07:15] <ROBOd> trappist: i know that :)
[07:16] <tuv> do i have to worry about removing the existing ipw2200 kernel modules before installing the new ones?
[07:16] <ROBOd> trappist: now ... i got xawtv ... it also shows me the TV noise ... but ... the TV channel scanning does not work properly
[07:16] <Viper550> Is there any channel for Gnome here?
[07:16] <ROBOd> trappist: i am in Romania ... and the channels table is different
[07:16] <nalioth> Viper550: you are in it
[07:16] <trappist> ROBOd: what's your input source? maybe you need to change the channels on that
[07:16] <Viper550> this is Ubuntu, not Gnome!
[07:17] <mike-e> rofl
[07:17] <Viper550> nm, just figured it out!
[07:17] <ROBOd> trappist: is there a way to change the frequency manualy?
[07:17] <Viper550> irc.gnome.org
[07:17] <mike-e> see you in 2 seconds viper
[07:17] <mike-e> haha
[07:17] <trappist> ROBOd: I've never used bttv.  my card is ivtv.  but I'm sure it's in the docs.
[07:17] <ROBOd> trappist: which docs? :)
[07:17] <trappist> the bttv docs
[07:18] <ROBOd> input source is television .. input device /dev/video0
[07:18] <ROBOd> i don't know them :)
[07:19] <ROBOd> doing modprobe bttv shows nothing
[07:19] <ROBOd> is that normal?
[07:19] <trappist> that's a good thing.
[07:19] <trappist> yeah.
[07:19] <trappist> ROBOd: check dmesg
[07:19] <trappist> Boogyman: how'd it go
[07:19] <Boogyman> didn't work its still working when pc starts
[07:20] <ROBOd> trappist: thanks
[07:20] <Boogyman> should I annotate it out with # or was I suppose to erase it from there completely
[07:20] <ROBOd> trappist: is there a way to nicely change frequencies in vlc?
[07:20] <Boogyman> cause I just did the #
[07:20] <ROBOd> because i have to always restart the playback ... to change freq
[07:20] <mike-e> Boogyman, commenting what out
[07:20] <trappist> Boogyman: I don't know if it gets loaded by hotplug, but if it does you can add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:21] <trappist> ROBOd: I don't use vlc either :)
[07:21] <ROBOd> :)
[07:21] <mike-e> vlc is unstable imo
[07:21] <mike-e> compared to totem
[07:21] <Boogyman> k will try that now
[07:21] <ROBOd> trappist: what app do you use?
[07:21] <trappist> mplayer
[07:21] <ROBOd> for TV??
[07:21] <trappist> yeah
[07:21] <trappist> mplayer /dev/video0
[07:22] <trappist> but my source is cable, so I have to change channels on the box.
[07:22] <Mchas> hi xubuntu is not yet out  as an image iso  ?
[07:22] <Boogyman> would I just put: psmouse
[07:22] <Boogyman> in the blacklist
[07:22] <Mchas> please
[07:22] <Surak> crimsun: there?
[07:24] <mike-e> can i install ubuntu from a floppy disk over a network
[07:24] <nalioth> ubotu: tell mike-e about smartboot
[07:24] <pramz> hello everyone
[07:24] <ROBOd> trappist: i also have motv ... but i can't start it ... because it asks for libxm.so
[07:25] <Boogyman> trappist do I just ad the line in the blacklist file
[07:25] <ROBOd> trappist: any idea where to get it from?
[07:25] <visik7> how can I run flash player with esd ?
[07:26] <visik7> esddsp firefox doesn't work
[07:26] <mike-e> wtf
[07:26] <mike-e> rawwrite is a windows application
[07:27] <Mchas> so the only way for the moment is to install it with xfce ?
[07:27] <mike-e> Mchas, what
[07:27] <tRSS> quick question. whenever I try to run a win32 app with cedega, i get this error: /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//winex/bin/wine: can't exec 'notepad': invalid exe file
[07:28] <tRSS> can someone help me with this?
[07:28] <trappist> ROBOd: lesstif-dev
[07:29] <trappist> Boogyman: yeah
[07:29] <Stormx2> hola
[07:29] <Mchas> official xubuntu is not yet out ?
[07:29] <nalioth> Mchas: install "xubuntu-desktop"
[07:29] <ROBOd> trappist: thanks
[07:29] <Stormx2> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:29] <Stormx2> ;-)
[07:29] <nalioth> Mchas: it is out, but not as an iso image yet
[07:29] <Mchas> ok its just only my question and i have my answer ...thanks
[07:29] <Lord_Athur> hi there
[07:30] <mike-e> what's xubuntu?
[07:30] <mike-e> !xubuntu
[07:30] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[07:30] <mike-e> ohhh NICE
[07:30] <mike-e> that is sweet
[07:31] <Aphex11> hi, could ANYONE please help me installing FIREFOX on my ubuntu linux? (i am a newbie)
[07:31] <Stormx2> XFCE is lightweight gnome, kinda
[07:31] <nalioth> Aphex11: it should be there already
[07:31] <Lord_Athur> i'm adding the squashfs patch to the system, how much time does this need to be added to the kernel?
[07:32] <mike-e> Stormx2, hardly
[07:32] <trappist> Lord_Athur: as much time as it takes to patch, recompile, install and reboot
[07:32] <trappist> Lord_Athur: assuming you get it all right the first time
[07:32] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[07:32] <spiregrain> aphex11 - try the "Add Applications" menu item.
[07:33] <Enlil_Ishtar> nalioth> I did every changes that the wiki told me, but... :s
[07:33] <biruh> hello all!! how can i play mp3 in ubuntu? am kinda new. thanx
[07:33] <spiregrain> There is currently no official way to get Firefox 1.5 at the moment
[07:33] <trappist> !tell spiregrain about mp3
[07:33] <Lord_Athur> bye
[07:33] <Enlil_Ishtar> Actually, the sound goes in and out "randomly"
[07:33] <Aphex11> spiregrain.... I did but it dosnt UPDATE my firefox (1.0.7 to 1.5)
[07:33] <spiregrain> oi! don't tell me, tell biru!
[07:33] <Enlil_Ishtar> smetimes I have sound... sometimes not.. :x
[07:33] <trappist> oops
[07:33] <trappist> !tell biruh about mp3
[07:34] <Boogyman> ok testing it out again and thank you for advice so far trappist
[07:34] <Enlil_Ishtar> anyone have codecs to recommand me if I wanna play some *.rmvb?
[07:34] <visik7> is there a way to get flashplayer plugin working with esd ?
[07:35] <Aphex11> Spiregrain, does that mean that FIREFOX 1.5 is currently not available for Linux or Ubuntu Distros ??
[07:35] <visik7> Enlil_Ishtar: w32codecs or just use vlc
[07:35] <spiregrain> Aphex11- There is currently no official way to get Firefox 1.5 at the moment... but see here for something that might work for you:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:35] <Enlil_Ishtar> visik7>okay
[07:35] <trappist> Aphex11: it just hasn't been packaged for breezy yet, but you can install the mozilla.org tarballs
[07:35] <psusi> Aphex11: firefox 1.5 is not officially supported in ubuntu breezy badger... it will be in dapper drake
[07:36] <visik7> easyBreesy has ff 1.5
[07:36] <mirak> Removing cupsys-driver-gimpprint invoke-rc.d: initscript cupsys, action "force-reload" failed.
[07:36] <mirak> dpkg: error processing cupsys-driver-gimpprint (--remove):
[07:36] <visik7> easyBreezy has ff 1.5
[07:36] <trappist> Aphex11: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:36] <spiregrain> I'm using ff 1.5 just fine, following the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:36] <mirak> I want to remove it, that's on a dapper secondary install. I just want to know how to force the remove, I tried --force-all
[07:36] <mirak> doesn't work
[07:37] <Aphex11> thanks trappist
[07:37] <Aphex11> thanks Spiregrain
[07:37] <visik7> mirak: do u have removed the init.d script by hand ?
[07:37] <mirak> visik7: no
[07:37] <mirak> visik7: I can't install nor remove
[07:38] <mike-e> is there a linux port of WoW?
[07:38] <visik7> u can't 'couse postremove and preinstall scripts fails
[07:38] <Aphex11> but this wont happen on SuSe , right ? Yast will install everything effortless right ?
[07:38] <mirak> visik7: beside doing a clean install what option do I have ?
[07:39] <koro> Hi. I just installed ubuntu but my audio device wasn't detected. Can someone point me to a howto or a faq to deal with that?
[07:39] <nalioth> Aphex11: you're limited by the suse devs as you are by the ubuntu ones
[07:39] <Aphex11> coz since i am THAT new i was thinking to start on  sUSEand not on ubuntu...its getting kinda hard here
[07:39] <koro> the device manager shows two unknown PNP devices
[07:39] <Stormx2> mike-e: it is really.
[07:39] <visik7> mirak: investigate the script
[07:39] <mirak> visik7: I am in a chroot, can this be a problem ?
[07:39] <spiregrain> I don't know Yast, but I guess, like Ubuntu, each application will have to get added to the Yast system as it comes out
[07:39] <visik7> mirak: no
[07:39] <Aphex11> ohh... so what would be a good start for me ? .... stay on win ? lol
[07:40] <nalioth> Aphex11: ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. you can't say that with any other distro
[07:40] <Aphex11> ohh this is an ubuntu chan..i forgot... its not forbidden to talk about opther alternative distros, right ?
[07:40] <ilba7r> aphex depend what you want to do with your pc
[07:40] <spiregrain> so you've gotta wait (sometimes several months) for each new version to get added in
[07:40] <paulproteus|lapt> nalioth: I thought Fedora did that, too.
[07:40] <visik7> mirak: check /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.<postinst|prerm|postrm>
[07:40] <nalioth> paulproteus|lapt: i think fedora has a lot longer release schedule
[07:40] <paulproteus|lapt> Aphex11: Not forbidden, no.
[07:41] <flodine> has anyone loaded pekwm on ubuntu
[07:41] <Aphex11> ilba7r:  It just want to see if i can get rid of windowse without starting to miss it...you know dont want to be stuck with windoze.... after all that LINUX RULES articles i read
[07:42] <Aphex11> thanks paulproteus|lapt
[07:42] <ilba7r> aphex11 have a look at distowatch. It has nice recommendation depending on how you use your pc. MEPIS come with lot of restricted (property) software preinstalled you might try that but do some research
[07:42] <avgasse> I installed Ubuntu with the server install, and it didn't ask me for the root password. So what is it/how can I change it?
[07:42] <nalioth> Aphex11: you can dual boot until you see that windows is no needed
[07:42] <paulproteus|lapt> !tell avgasse about root
[07:42] <nalioth> avgasse: ubuntu doesnt have the root model of superuser
[07:42] <trappist> Aphex11: there's some work and some learning to do before dumping windows forever.  spend some time getting comfortable with linux, then see if you can go a week without windows.  then a month.  then reclaim the disk space used by windows.
[07:42] <JRlinux> Warning:  Latest Ubuntu automatic upgrade on my 5.10 installation replaced my Grub, thereby losing my Mepis Partition!
[07:42] <theeil> how would i go about getting an intel pro/wireless 2915ABG card working?
[07:42] <Aphex11> i read about ubunto onm distrowatch.... i felt that would be the Dsitro which should fit my needs
[07:43] <nalioth> ubotu: tell theeil about wireless
[07:43] <avgasse> Ah ok... but on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingXubuntu I read that I have to do "sudonano/etc/apt/sources.list"
[07:43] <jordo23> Anyone know the .deb repository link for Azureus?
[07:44] <nalioth> avgasse: sudo uses the users password
[07:44] <Aphex11> nalioth, thanks but i didnt wipe my windoze on my main pc ...this ubuntu pc is my testing pc...
[07:44] <nalioth> ubotu: tell jordo23 about azureus
[07:44] <ilba7r> jrlinux it is not lost just edit /boot/grub/menu/list and remount it again
[07:44] <Aphex11> trappist, yeh you are right..thats what i was planning to do
[07:44] <avgasse> gee thanks a lot!
[07:44] <nalioth> Aphex11: good then. perhaps one day you can have ubuntu on all your PCs
[07:44] <Aphex11> i certainly hope so....
[07:44] <JRlinux> ilba7r, I am doing it... (but it is a nuisance, nonetheless).  Oh, well, I keep learning.
[07:45] <dylan_> i did the upgrade to Firefox 1.5....i installed mozilla-mplayer and the w32codecs.  however, whenever i go to apple trailers to watch a movie, the browser quits and firefox is gone.  i have to bringi t up again.  what do i do?
[07:45] <ilba7r> aphex11 with linux you will always need to read and customize to your needs. You need to do a little work with restricted formats with ubuntu
[07:46] <Aphex11> nalioth, i just read something in here which reminded me of another question i had. Why wasnt i asked for a root password while installing? how can I access ROOT? wasnt allowed to login ass root on graph interface.. and where is  Konsole ? its kinda difrent from other distros i have seen before...
[07:46] <nalioth> dylan_: the apple codecs currently used are not viewable, iirc
[07:46] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Aphex11 about root
[07:46] <nalioth> Aphex11: read the Whole wiki article please
[07:46] <dylan_> nalioth, that really sucks
[07:47] <Aphex11> i will... thanks man
[07:47] <nalioth> dylan_: thank apple for qt7
[07:47] <visik7> ok solved the problem with flash
[07:47] <Enlil_Ishtar> han
[07:47] <Enlil_Ishtar> VLC refuse to read the video I want :s
[07:47] <Aphex11> ilba7r, thats what kept me away from linux os's
[07:48] <P8ntKid_> How do you change the language in limewire? Somehow it got changed to french or something and i dont know how to change it back.
[07:48] <Aphex11> ppl ill be reading all your articles, thanks for help ill come back in 30 min
[07:48] <Aphex11> thx !
[07:49] <mirak> visik7: it's to muich broken
[07:49] <mad_phoenix> has anybody been able to succesfully set up freenx on ubuntu?
[07:50] <visik7> mirak: sorry ?
[07:50] <nalioth> ubotu: tell mad_phoenix about freenx
[07:53] <dylan_> why arent there any linux viruses/spyware/
[07:53] <trappist> they exist
[07:53] <trappist> it's hard to make effective ones though
[07:53] <trappist> because everybody doesn't run around as root all the time
[07:53] <dylan_> can i secure windows 2000 to be like linux?
[07:54] <trappist> dylan_: wrong channel
[07:54] <DRK13> no bylen
[07:54] <DRK13> dylen
[07:54] <dylan_> DRK13, its dylan
[07:54] <DRK13> lol  sorry
[07:54] <dylan_> its fine
[07:54] <DRK13> cant type today
[07:54] <dylan_> where cani  go to learn about securing windows
[07:54] <trappist> dylan_: google.com
[07:54] <mirak> visik7: it's broken somewhere else
[07:54] <dylan_> i mean, i want it secure like linux...unless linux isnt secure by default
[07:54] <mirak> visik7: don't know how to fix that
[07:54] <MFen> can anyone suggest an efficient replacement for the X protocol, compatible with existing gui software, and available in ubuntu?
[07:54] <psusi> trappist: and in general, linux software doesn't do stupid things like download and run untrusted binary code when you read your email...
[07:54] <dylan_> is linux secure by default
[07:55] <mirak> visik7: freenx
[07:55] <MFen> i'm trying to run X programs over what is right now a lossy connection, and it's painful
[07:55] <mirak> visik7: sorry wrong nick
[07:55] <nalioth> dylan_: yes it is.
[07:55] <Surak> dylan: you are comparing too different stuff. in fact, windows 2000 is still being maintained?
[07:55] <trappist> MFen: a replacement for the protocol?
[07:55] <mirak> MFen: freenx
[07:55] <MFen> trappist: something more efficient
[07:55] <mirak> MFen: google NX
[07:55] <MFen> mirak: any quick howtos on getting that to work w/ ubuntu?
[07:55] <trappist> !tell MFen about freenx
[07:55] <chemaFPA_>  Hi, Whe you download a Deb from de web, there are some way to install thath resolving the dependencies automatically?
[07:55] <mirak> MFen: google ubuntu freenx
[07:56] <mirak> MFen: #freenx
[07:56] <MFen> mirak: teh awesomes. thanks :)
[07:56] <nalioth> chemaFPA_: it is not advised to install 'debs from the web'
[07:56] <mirak> MFen: I know there is ubuntu howtos
[07:56] <MFen> i'm on freenx
[07:56] <alvanson> How do I tell Ubuntu to NOT load the agpgart module?
[07:56] <MFen> there's nobody here
[07:56] <dylan_> nalioth, so if linux is secure, why are there all these guides on the internet showing us how to secure linux?
[07:57] <nalioth> dylan_: because everything can be made MORE secure
[07:57] <alvanson> it's not listed in /etc/modules so I'm lost :(
[07:57] <erosgol> whats a good text editor to write HTML in?
[07:57] <nalioth> dylan_: and a lot of those guides are for server implementations
[07:57] <dylan_> nalioth, is there any really any reason to?
[07:57] <MFen> mirak: does this work with a windows client?
[07:57] <nalioth> erosgol: bluefish
[07:57] <psusi> erosgol: I like emacs
[07:57] <nalioth> dylan_: the default install of x/k/ubuntu is quite secure
[07:58] <erosgol> thanx )
[07:58] <dylan_> nalioth, how can i secure ubuntu more?
[07:58] <omerlh> Hello
[07:58] <nalioth> dylan_: idk. i've never needed to
[07:58] <MFen> dylan_: in general it's not an OS that's insecure so much as the software that's running there
[07:58] <Weiss> alvanson: the Quick and Nasty way would be to rename the module itself
[07:58] <trappist> dylan_: set up firewalls, disable password authentication in ssh, stop unneeded daemons for starters
[07:59] <MFen> dylan_: you want to limit your exposure to buggy, insecure software.  you do that by shutting down as much unnecessary software as possible :)
[07:59] <MFen> dylan_: there's also a few kernel things you can do etc.
[07:59] <omerlh> I want connected my lap top to T.V. I installed atitvout, and it work but I have problem with vbe. What can I do?
[07:59] <dylan_> MFen, but its not practical?
[07:59] <MFen> dylan_: it's very practical.  taking a few precautions will make any system a lot more secure
[08:00] <nalioth> dylan_: most of your efforts for a default install will be wasted
[08:00] <MFen> you cna't make anything completely secure without unplugging it from the wall and turning it off. but you can make it so expensive to crack that nobody will wnat to
[08:00] <trappist> dylan_: security is almost always a tradeoff.  almost anything you do to make your box more secure will make it less usable, slower or less stable.  if security came in a bottle, microsoft would sell it.
[08:01] <alvanson> Weiss, how about the not so nasty way? ;)
[08:02] <erosgol> is there an rpm for bluefish ubuntu dist?
[08:02] <Seveas> erosgol, ubuntu does not use rpm
[08:03] <Seveas> erosgol, apt-get install bluefish
[08:03] <erosgol> really?
[08:03] <synmoo> Is there a reason the KDE packages aren't showing up in synaptic? I reloaded the package information.
[08:03] <olicat> hi all. can i install ubuntu on a machine with no cdrom over the local network?
[08:03] <Unity> hey, how come when i do rm *~ and then it asks me to confirm that i want to delete something, and then i hit y, it doesn't desete?
[08:03] <kbrooks> Hey
[08:03] <DRK13> soup
[08:03] <kbrooks> Can anyone help me?
[08:03] <olicat> ie, tell the client to boot using the cd in another local machine?
[08:03] <spiregrain> kbrooks- don't know yet
[08:03] <Unity> and when i do sudo apt-get install whatever, and it asks me something, and i press y, it aborts?
[08:04] <Kovecses> !w32codecs
[08:04] <ubotu> methinks w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[08:04] <spiregrain> Unity - could be the file dosen' belong to you
[08:04] <spiregrain> try with "sudo rm *~"
[08:04] <mirak> crap I did a rm -fr /dev
[08:04] <Weiss> alvanson: build a new kernel and module set with the agpgart stuff firmly turned off... i don't know of a way to do it via modules.conf et. al., but there could well be..
[08:04] <kbrooks> See, I have this microsioft ps/2 mouse. When plugged in, and I move the mouse, IT DOES NOT WORK AT ALL
[08:04] <Unity> spiregrain, they all belong to me and that doesn't explain why apt-get aborts
[08:05] <trappist> alvanson: you could always delete the module
[08:05] <darkuser> hello
[08:05] <nalioth> kbrooks: you know how it works in here, ask your question
[08:05] <Kovecses> kbrooks, do other mouses work?
[08:05] <darkuser> helloooooo
[08:05] <trappist> kbrooks: try `modprobe psmouse`
[08:06] <Weiss> alvanson: but if just delete the module or move it to somewhere it can't be found, then run "depmod", you'll end up with the same Nice solution..
[08:06] <darkuser> you mast
[08:06] <mirak> I did a mount --bind /dev somethingelse/dev
[08:06] <MFen> mirak: little snag. the wiki there gave me something to put in sources.list for the freenx package for breezy. however that archive isn't responding.
[08:06] <mirak> how to unmount it ?
[08:06] <erosgol> heh no wonder y it doesent use yast
[08:06] <darkuser> kesssss
[08:06] <darkuser> hyarr
[08:06] <MFen> nm, found the faster mirror
[08:06] <mirak> MFen: don't know
[08:07] <spiregrain> Unity- dunno then
[08:08] <jspam> ok. im having some difficulty getting ubuntu running on my external hdd. it boots and starts to load the kernel but then says: ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[08:08] <kbrooks> trappist, no
[08:08] <kbrooks> Kovecses, yes
[08:08] <Kovecses> kbrooks, so other mouses work???
[08:08] <delltony> hi can someone kindly help me in resizing my linux partition so i can give a few gigs too windows? i can't seem to do it in parition magic cause it says the whole linux partition of 46 gig is used which is far from true. and I tried gparted but it appears you can't resize an active partition . :( i'm lost
[08:08] <nalioth> delltony: do it from a LiveCD
[08:09] <Kovecses> livecds are best
[08:09] <kbrooks> Kovecses, yes
[08:09] <trappist> delltony: you need to umount the partition.  if you can't because it's your root partition or something you'll need to do it from like a livcd or rescue disk.
[08:10] <MFen> argh!
[08:10] <kbrooks> Kovecses, well? i have to spend time with my sister
[08:10] <MFen> this wiki doesn't say how to *run* the server portion :)
[08:10] <kbrooks> hello?
[08:10] <jspam> please pm me if any of you know how i can get /dev/sda1 to show up during the boot. don't want to get it lost in the chat if im not looking. :)
[08:11] <MFen> does anyone here use freenx? it's pretty opaque
[08:11] <trappist> jspam: breezy? dapper?
[08:11] <mad_phoenix> MFen: ya, im trying to set up freenx right now as well
[08:11] <pawjan> #palm
[08:12] <MFen> mad_phoenix: what are you looking at for reference?
[08:12] <MFen> the wiki doesn't say how to run a server, just how to install one
[08:13] <mad_phoenix> MFen: the wiki page, hang on i'll grab the link
[08:13] <kbrooks> Kovecses, well, i was waiting
[08:13] <mad_phoenix> MFen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[08:13] <MFen> mad_phoenix: yeah, i'm already looking at that
[08:13] <kbrooks> Kovecses, me? stupid? how?
[08:13] <MFen> i have freenx and its dependencies installed on the server, and the windows client is installed
[08:14] <MFen> but no hint as to how to make the server do anything useful
[08:14] <nalioth> Kovecses: let's be civil please.
[08:14] <nalioth> kbrooks: you too. civility.
[08:14] <kbrooks> k
[08:14] <kbrooks> brb
[08:14] <Kovecses> hey hes the one who shot me .... lol
[08:14] <kbrooks> e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:14] <jeanmarc_> jjjjjgjgjghggggggg
[08:14] <kbrooks> Kovecses, dude
[08:15] <kbrooks> Kovecses, i'm in a bind
[08:15] <zelevw> Hi guys...I just installed 3ddesktop and i'd like to use it...i've done a search (find / -name 3ddesktop) and cannot find an executable...can anyone lend me a hand?  thanks in advance!
[08:16] <Kovecses> kbrooks, about your mouse? ... if other ps/2 mouses are working .. i dont know how or if you can get that microsft one to work
[08:16] <MFen> zelevw: i don't know the specific answer, but what i generally do is 'dpkg -L 3ddesktop | grep bin'
[08:16] <MFen> and, if necessary, 'man' on the things that turns up
[08:16] <zelevw> MFen: thank you
[08:16] <mad_phoenix> MFen: what's the problem you're having?
[08:17] <MFen> mad_phoenix: there's nothing in init.d for freenx, and nxserver wants some option that i can't guess
[08:17] <MFen> and there's no man page
[08:17] <zelevw> MFen: thanks again...that worked...brilliant!
[08:17] <MFen> zelevw: yw
[08:18] <MFen> zelevw: in some cases you want dpkg -L | grep init.d
[08:18] <zelevw> MFen: Kewl
[08:18] <mad_phoenix> MFen: what option?  i just got mine to work, so i can tell you what i have
[08:18] <JRlinux> OK, I want to edit grub and replace-- the one that the auto upgrade damaged.  I am in Ubuntu now, but how do I get the permission to do that?
[08:18] <MFen> mad_phoenix: please do :)
[08:18] <MFen> just tell me how you ran it for starters
[08:20] <ilba7r> jrlinux sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:20] <mad_phoenix> MFen: what is the option that you don't know what to choose?
[08:20] <JRlinux> ok ilba7r .  Thanks.
[08:20] <MFen> mad_phoenix: try running "nxserver"
[08:21] <e-fonz> .
[08:21] <MFen> mad_phoenix: i don't know how to start this thing.. at all.  i don't even know if i found the right executable.  there's nothing in init.d.  there's nothing on the wiki that says what to do, except it's somehow related to ssh
[08:22] <mad_phoenix> MFen: when you installed it, did it show you a blue ncurses screen and ask you what kind of authentication you wanted?
[08:22] <MFen> yeah, and i picked the default like the wiki said
[08:22] <Kovecses> !dapper
[08:22] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake
[08:22] <Kovecses> i thought the next version was flight?
[08:22] <MFen> mad_phoenix: shouldn't there be some sort of daemon running?
[08:22] <mad_phoenix> MFen: ya i mean i don't have any init.d entries for it either, but it's running...i think it may run on top of the ssh service
[08:23] <mad_phoenix> MFen: try using nxclient and connecting to your own machine
[08:23] <mad_phoenix> like, do the /usr/NX/bin/nxclient
[08:23] <kakei> does any one knows if a gamecube can be connected to the pc?
[08:23] <mad_phoenix> and connect to localhost
[08:24] <MFen> mad_phoenix: the client's running on windows, so i'm trying that
[08:24] <Kovecses> !backports
[08:24] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main universe multiverse restricted" (without the ") to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[08:24] <eno> how do I go to firefox 1.5?
[08:24] <Kovecses> download it
[08:24] <mad_phoenix> MFen: but you can at least try to localize the problem, because if you can connect to your nxserver locally you know it's up
[08:24] <eno> with apt-get?
[08:25] <Kovecses> just get it from the website
[08:25] <Unity> does old xbox use tcp to communicate over a network?
[08:25] <nalioth> ubotu: tell eno about firefox15
[08:25] <mad_phoenix> MFen:  it may turn out to be a problem with your ssh server, or your settings in the windows client...it took me a bunch of tries to find the right settings on the windows nx client
[08:26] <eno> thanks NALIOTH!
[08:26] <MFen> mad_phoenix: well something seems to be happening
[08:26] <kbrooks> Kovecses,
[08:26] <e-fonz> any1 have experience with par2 on ubuntu?
[08:26] <MFen> "setting up the x environment"
[08:26] <kbrooks> flight cds
[08:26] <kbrooks> not
[08:26] <kbrooks> "ubuntu flight"
[08:26] <MFen> mad_phoenix: does this part normally take forever?
[08:26] <nalioth> e-fonz: yes ask your question
[08:26] <Kovecses> kbrooks, ive been on gentoo for too long
[08:27] <marc_> Can someone help me with the Cedega mouse problem (with world of warcraft).  I have been trying the workaround but they're not working
[08:27] <mad_phoenix> MFen: it depends...i don't know, it's all kind of flaky, i just played with options in the client and it started working
[08:27] <kbrooks> Can someone help me, please?
[08:27] <crimsun> marc_: are you using 5.0.3?
[08:27] <JRlinux> Ah, my Mepis is back... Beware of upgrades!  (Still have the Ubuntu, and still learning about it.)
[08:27] <MFen> mad_phoenix: well it's just sitting here "setting up"
[08:27] <e-fonz> OK, i installed par2 on my ubuntu-linux......can't see it in a menu though. I am a complete noob at LINUX
[08:28] <nalioth> e-fonz: it is a console only program
[08:28] <Kovecses> e-fonz, whats par2?
[08:28] <crimsun> Kovecses: apt-cache show par2
[08:28] <kbrooks> See, I have this microsoft ps/2 mouse. When I plug it in, upon moving of the mouse, the cursor does not move
[08:28] <dbernar1> I am trying to set up a windows domain using samba, and I am unable to add computers to the domain. Is anyone knowledgeable about this?
[08:28] <mad_phoenix> MFen: so you're looking at a black screen, you already got past authentication and everything?
[08:28] <Kovecses> well i could have done that in the first place... i thought maybe somebody could just tell me
[08:28] <MrJangles> hello
[08:28] <e-fonz> par2 repairs corrupted files you downloaded with bittorrent or usenet
[08:29] <MFen> mad_phoenix: it asked for a password, which i put in
[08:29] <MFen> it's not a black screen, i'm running the windows client
[08:29] <crimsun> kbrooks: do you have a ps/2 -> usb adapter?
[08:29] <MrJangles> looking for some help... i updgraded to breeze, and i'm getting an X server error
[08:29] <MFen> so there's a little gui dialog with an animation playing and it says it's setting up the x environment
[08:29] <MFen> it's been doing that for a few minutes now
[08:29] <kbrooks> crimsun, other  ps/2 mouses work.
[08:30] <crimsun> kbrooks: have you confirmed that the hardware (mouse) itself is functional?
[08:30] <psusi> good lord!
[08:30] <MFen> mad_phoenix: when you're using it, does anything show on the server up when you do ps axw | grep nx ?
[08:30] <kbrooks> crimsun, how?
[08:30] <MFen> because i have nothing
[08:30] <e-fonz> oops, meesed up a bit
[08:30] <crimsun> kbrooks: another computer and/or another OS
[08:30] <kenkku> I'm making a shell script and I need to insert my password there for it to work (after sudo so I don't have to do it myself), any way to make it not watchable?
[08:30] <Kovecses> lol
[08:31] <Kovecses> psusi, thats impressive
[08:31] <kbrooks> crimsun, i only use the cli on arch. don't want to install gpm
[08:31] <mad_phoenix> MFen: no, nothing shows up
[08:31] <MFen> mad_phoenix: weird
[08:31] <MFen> what the heck is it supposedly talking to then?
[08:31] <trappist> 7zip?
[08:31] <mad_phoenix> MFen:  let me tell you what client options im using...i've got desktop set to unix, gnome, under the advanced tab i've got ssl encryption enabled...
[08:31] <Kovecses> brb
[08:31] <crimsun> kbrooks: that doesn't preclude testing on other machines.
[08:32] <mad_phoenix> MFen:  i guess that's about it
[08:32] <MFen> ok
[08:32] <MFen> i checked the ssl flag
[08:32] <e-fonz> nalioth, how can i select you to talk to you?
[08:32] <jspam> !nickserv
[08:32] <mad_phoenix> MFen:  are you using openssh?
[08:32] <ubotu> jspam: What?
[08:32] <e-fonz> lol
[08:32] <crimsun> trappist: the p7zip package
[08:32] <MFen> mad_phoenix: openssh is installed
[08:32] <nalioth> e-fonz: you can join #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:32] <mad_phoenix> MFen: you might want to confirm that you can connect to your ssh server from windows
[08:32] <kbrooks> crimsun, i dont have other machines. the only other computer is not owned by me, and its locked by a bios password
[08:32] <mad_phoenix> using telnet or something
[08:33] <MFen> ok, the only change i needed to make was the ssl check, and i'm getting the same thing. "setting up the x environment lalala"
[08:33] <jspam> was trying to register a nick so i could send a pm to someone who asked me what version of ubuntu i was using.
[08:33] <crimsun> kbrooks: makes troubleshooting difficult, eh?
[08:33] <nalioth> ubotu: tell jspam about register
[08:33] <mad_phoenix> MFen: and this is local, right?
[08:33] <MFen> mad_phoenix: i can. i use it all the time. i set up freenx on the server via ssh :)
[08:33] <kbrooks> crimsun, very.
[08:33] <sara_> hello
[08:33] <mad_phoenix> MFen:  how frustrating
[08:34] <MFen> mad_phoenix: however it's anyone's guess whether the freenx client is actually running an instance of ssh that was installed on my machine
[08:34] <kbrooks> crimsun, can you help still?
[08:34] <MFen> mad_phoenix: i didn't find anything that said "please install teh ssh first!!11"
[08:34] <sara_> i was installing kde multimedia package through kpackage and it automatically started removing kde components , and a bunch of key stuff, now konqueror is gone etc
[08:34] <MFen> mad_phoenix: that suggests freenx/windows comes with an ssh client
[08:35] <eno> I will wait for the new firefox to show up on my updator
[08:35] <sara_> is thete anyway without reinstalling kbuntu i can save my system?
[08:35] <MFen> mad_phoenix: did you have to restart sshd?
[08:35] <dbernar1> sara_: install kubuntu-desktop
[08:35] <dbernar1> I am trying to set up a windows domain using samba, and I am unable to add computers to the domain. Is anyone knowledgeable about this?
[08:35] <sara_> ok
[08:35] <ajs`> hey, how stable is dapper?
[08:35] <mad_phoenix> MFen:  i actually restarted the machine, but logging out/in would probably accomplish the same
[08:35] <sara_> it took adept also
[08:35] <MFen> logging out wouldnt' restart sshd
[08:36] <kbrooks> sara_, be serious
[08:36] <kbrooks> sara_, do you actually *think* it did that?
[08:36] <MFen> crap. this is frustrating. i can't even tell *if* it's communicating with the server
[08:36] <sara_> it removed sevral files
[08:36] <Kovecses> does anybody know a way to constantly set dma on ... for a cdrom drive?
[08:36] <sara_> apollon, adept, konqueror
[08:36] <Kovecses> gnome 2.12 is pretty sexy
[08:36] <mycket> hello, i want to (cross-)compile programs for m68k. could not find a gcc-m68k package. Is there a gcc for other architectures?
[08:36] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Kovecses about dma
[08:36] <darkuser> h
[08:37] <mad_phoenix> MFen:  yes i agree, i have no idea really how this protocol works without any daemons/services running
[08:37] <Kovecses> nalioth, thanks
[08:37] <sara_> is there a deb package for kbuntu-desktop?
[08:37] <nalioth> mycket: search at packages.ubuntu.com
[08:37] <nalioth> sara_: there is. but it's a meta-pkg
[08:38] <Kovecses> sara_, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:38] <ajs`> how many of you use the dapper release?
[08:38] <darkuser> hello grls
[08:38] <darkuser> and guys
[08:39] <Fade> is there a howto on how to keep the nice bootup sequence when running with nvidia-kernel accelerated X server?
[08:39] <MFen> mad_phoenix: i'm trying to do this through openvpn. i think i'll try it directly on a different machine
[08:39] <Kovecses> ajs`, i stick with stable
[08:39] <nalioth> darkuser: this is a help channel, not a chat channel, please chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:39] <trappist> Fade: 'nice bootup sequence'?
[08:39] <Fade> the nvidia framebuffer module conflicts with nvidia's binary agp module.
[08:39] <Kovecses> they have alot of ubuntu stuff on gnome-look.org
[08:39] <mycket> nalioth, i've already been there. theres only for MC 68HCxx (forgot ist) and PDA. I need something for 68000 family
[08:39] <Fade> yeah, with the good looking 'ubuntu' graphic, and the terminal messages in the window below it.
[08:39] <ajs`> yeah, its tempting to upgrade though
[08:39] <mad_phoenix> MFen: ya, i think you may need a special package that provides tunnelling support if you're going to use vpn
[08:40] <mad_phoenix> MFen: one of the people who keep apt-get repos had some packages for tunneling
[08:40] <ara> Hi , i'm pertty new to linux can someone help me please?
[08:40] <Mabus06> with what, ara?
[08:40] <nalioth> ara: if you ask a question
[08:40] <MFen> mad_phoenix: well one thing at a time. i'll see if i can get it connected first
[08:40] <Kovecses> ara, ill help
[08:40] <trappist> Fade: oh, that.  I don't know.  I have noticed that nvidia's framebuffer module sucks pretty bad, and causes hard lockup sometimes when switching vc's.
[08:40] <mad_phoenix> right on
[08:40] <sara_> when i go to reinstall any of the packages kpackage removed, i get a lot of dependency errors
[08:40] <Mabus06> Kovecses, don't sign yourself up for something that may be bigger than you can chew. ;-)
[08:41] <ara> how can i log in as root?
[08:41] <Mabus06> You don't need to
[08:41] <Kovecses> Mabus06, im no noob
[08:41] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ara about root
[08:41] <Fade> does the default X setup just use the vesa framebuffer?
[08:41] <crimsun> Fade: usplash doesn't use rivafb
[08:41] <Mabus06> !sudo
[08:41] <nalioth> Fade: it does not.
[08:41] <Fade> how does it work?
[08:41] <Mabus06> Kovecses, doesn't matter... her problem may be complex.
[08:41] <crimsun> Fade: uplash or the default X setup?
[08:42] <koro> please, i need help :(
[08:42] <Fade> well, usplash.
[08:42] <Mabus06> Kovecses, if you can solve *any* problem, I have a few questions. ;-)
[08:42] <crimsun> Fade: it uses vga16fb
[08:42] <ara> i'm trying to install the yahoo msngr, it tells me that i need to log in as root
[08:42] <Mabus06> Do "sudo" before the install command
[08:42] <nalioth> ara: gaim doesnt work for you?
[08:42] <Mabus06> sudo does a command as root
[08:42] <koro> I chose the language to be english in ubuntu (breezy badger) but i want to be able to type things in spanish
[08:42] <ara> gaim?
[08:42] <Fade> I wonder if the vga16fb conflicts with the nvidia accelerated binary driver.
[08:42] <ara> what's that?
[08:42] <koro> (i chose my spanish keyboard)
[08:42] <Fade> thanks for the pointer. :)
[08:43] <sara_> ara try amsn for linux or kopete
[08:43] <nalioth> ara: gaim is a chat client that accesses yahoo, msn, icq and others
[08:43] <koro> but apparently it doesnt recognize properly the spanish characters like accents
[08:43] <crimsun> Fade: it doesn't
[08:43] <Mabus06> gaim uses yahoo, msn, and more, ara
[08:43] <koro> what can i do about it?
[08:43] <Fade> crimsun -- wicked. thanks.
[08:43] <Mabus06> ara, gaim is installed default on ubuntu... look under applications > internet
[08:43] <ara> ok , wait
[08:43] <NoWhereMan> hi all
[08:43] <Mabus06> happy holidays
[08:43] <Kovecses> i have no sound in totem?
[08:43] <dbcalo> installed ubuntu breezy badger on a external hdd. getting /dev/sda1 does not exist after the kernel starts to boot. anyone know how to fix this? (was previosly suing the nick 'jspam')
[08:44] <Mabus06> Kovecses, killall esd then try again
[08:44] <Fade> hrmn.. speaking of nvidia-kernel-source... which pool is it in?
[08:44] <trappist> dbcalo: usb hard drive?
[08:44] <dbcalo> yes
[08:44] <crimsun> Fade: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:44] <NoWhereMan> many gtk apps give me this  error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6231 does anybody know how to fix it?
[08:44] <sara_> if i redownload the kbuntu cd  is there anyway to save my files and rescue my kde files that kapackage removed?
[08:44] <dbcalo> shows up as a regular hdd in the bios.
[08:45] <trappist> dbcalo: you're going to need to hack your initrd to load sd_mod, usb-storage and things like that.  it's not going to work out of the box.
[08:45] <conrad_> k3b doesn't support avi files?
[08:45] <Kovecses> conrad_, what do you mean?
[08:45] <Kovecses> conrad_, you can burn them
[08:45] <koro> Please, how could I make my ubuntu work with spanish characters?
[08:45] <UbuntuNewbie> I am downoading the Ubuntu CD ISO.  I want to install as a dual boot under Windows XP.  I have read the WindowsDualBootHowTo at the wiki.  Is there anything else I need to know before I take the plunge and install?
[08:45] <trappist> dbcalo: if it looks like a regular hdd in the bios, does it show up in linux as a regular ide hard drive?
[08:45] <conrad_> tried to burn some avi files that i downloaded from an ftp site
[08:45] <Xenguy> Hi - I am looking for nVidia driver help.  I have tried the nvidia 'BinaryDriverHowto', but this causes my box to freeze-up when booting into X.  I was told that I should install the 'non-free' drivers if I want 3D, so I guess my first question is: should I be apt-getting nvidia DEBs, or should I be installing nvidia's "official" drivers?
[08:46] <Kovecses> UbuntuNewbie, you have windows already installed?
[08:46] <dbcalo> trappist, shows up as an scsi during the installer.
[08:46] <delltony> hi all
[08:46] <sara_> ubuntu use partition magic on the windows side than install using ubuntu cd on the remauning space.. its simple
[08:46] <trappist> Xenguy: I use nvidia's drivers, but the debs are supposed to be fine
[08:46] <UbuntuNewbie> Yes Kovecses
[08:46] <delltony> can someone help me please in resizing my linux/windows partitions
[08:46] <Kovecses> UbuntuNewbie, and you have a spare partition for ubuntu
[08:47] <conrad_> kovecses: using k3b i opened a new project and wanted to drag my avi files to burn to cd
[08:47] <delltony> i have tried gparted and even tried part magic for some reason i can not resize the linux partition says all 46 gig is used and i know it isn't
[08:47] <Xenguy> trappist: did you follow the 'BinaryDriverHowto' on the wiki?
[08:47] <conrad_> kovecses: says it only supports mpeg
[08:47] <trappist> dbcalo: the problem is that the modules necessary to mount a usb drive are on the filesystem and not in the kernel or the initrd, so it wants to mount the root filesystem to GET those modules, but of course it can't.  an alternative solution would be to build your own kernel with all that stuff built in.
[08:47] <Kovecses> conrad_, oh your trying to make a vcd
[08:47] <UbuntuNewbie> No I thought the installer would do that for me first, according to the wiki article.
[08:47] <trappist> Xenguy: no, I've been using nvidia drivers for a long time, so I just did it the way I've always done it.
[08:47] <calamari> delltony: e2fsck doesn't report any problems?
[08:48] <nalioth> delltony: did the livecd not do it?
[08:48] <ara> hey i worked , thank you
[08:48] <Kovecses> UbuntuNewbie, yeah it can... i think......
[08:48] <ara> it
[08:48] <Xenguy> trappist: can you tell me how you did it, or give hints/pointers?
[08:48] <conrad_> kovecses: yes, vcd aguess
[08:48] <dbcalo> trappist, can i build one from the command line it dumps me to?
[08:48] <nalioth> UbuntuNewbie: the installer will allow you to make some space
[08:48] <Mabus06> Is it possible to have ubuntu installed on a usb drive?
[08:48] <conrad_> kovecses: don't have dvd burner
[08:48] <calamari> delltony: sorry if that was already asked.. just came in :)
[08:49] <trappist> Xenguy: I installed the kernel headers (sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`), downloaded the drivers from nvidia's site, and said sudo sh NVIDIA*
[08:49] <Fade> heh. I'm not used to all this click'n'drool stuff. ;)
[08:49] <crimsun> dbcalo: if you're comfortable adding the necessary modules to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules and then regenerating it, that's the method.
[08:49] <Kovecses> conrad_, vcd's only support mpeg... but if you want to burn just the avi.. if your dvd player supports avi just burn as data cd... or you could use tovid to convert the avi to vcd
[08:49] <delltony> ok so d i need to use the live cd
[08:49] <trappist> dbcalo: oh, goot point.  no.
[08:49] <trappist> dbcalo: but if you have another box you can build it there.
[08:49] <ara> can someone tell me what is an x-window?
[08:49] <irpyC> hello
[08:49] <delltony> see here is the deal i thought id never use windows again which i very seldom do and i gave it a small partition like 9 gig and now i have a tivo and want to use it a little more
[08:49] <UbuntuNewbie> but this is my first plunge into *nix , so I am nervous and don't quite know what to expect.
[08:49] <Kovecses> ara, are you using xchat
[08:49] <conrad_> Kovecses: tovid??
[08:50] <delltony> so i need to give it another 10 gig but can't figure out how
[08:50] <dbcalo> can i build it from a boot cd?
[08:50] <Epix> what program lets you run windows games on linux?
[08:50] <ara> yes
[08:50] <trappist> dbcalo: yes
[08:50] <nalioth> UbuntuNewbie: i've installed ubuntu on several Win machines, the resizer works well
[08:50] <crimsun> dbcalo: for instance, you can boot a live cd, chroot your HD's / fs, edit /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, and regen it
[08:50] <dbcalo> Trappist, i just happen to have knoppix 4.0 handy.
[08:50] <trappist> Epix: cedega (transgaming.com)
[08:50] <Kovecses> ara, the window around it with the border and the x ... that is an xwindow
[08:50] <delltony> i assume the only way i can do it is with a live cd
[08:50] <Kovecses> conrad_, yeah tovid is a cool app for .. converting video
[08:51] <trappist> dbcalo: installing it might be tricky
[08:51] <dbcalo> do you guys know of any guides?
[08:51] <delltony> can someone pm me detailed instructions oor something so i can write it down please :(
[08:51] <ara> i'm trying to get my VGA driver and it is asking me about the version of the x-window
[08:51] <ompaul> dbcalo, wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <kakei> does any one knows if a gamecube can be connected to the pc?
[08:51] <cipher_> Hi folks, anyone have problems installing firefox 1.0.7 under kubuntu 5.10?
[08:51] <nalioth> delltony: d/l a livecd. run livecd. start gparted
[08:51] <delltony> well i ihave a live cd
[08:51] <kakei> cipher_ it crash sometimes?
[08:51] <Mabus06> Is it possible to have ubuntu installed on a usb drive?
[08:51] <Xenguy> trappist: OK, so you installed the official nvidia drivers, not the DEBs
[08:51] <cipher_> I'm getting complaints about not finding an art file, and a "find" error when I try to apt-get remove it.
[08:51] <delltony> the thing is i never understood how to get a prompt from one
[08:52] <crimsun> cipher_: it's as simple as using Adept to install the firefox package.
[08:52] <trappist> Xenguy: yes
[08:52] <cipher_> kakei: no, it seems to run OK, but the menu item hasn't been added--it seems like the install itself didn't go properly.
[08:52] <kakei> no idea
[08:52] <Epix> quake3 starts and runs fine, except my mouse is stuck in the topright corner when it starts and it *wont move*! when i kill it, I can move the mouse again. It used to work, but now it doesnt...
[08:52] <cipher_> crimsun, is that any different on the backend than apt-get?
[08:52] <Xenguy> trappist: alright, I'll have a look at that option then - tx
[08:52] <ompaul> delltony, two ways click one of which is applications accessories terminal
[08:52] <crimsun> cipher_: not really.
[08:52] <trappist> Xenguy: it's easier to use the debs, though.
[08:52] <ossie> guys what distro do u reccomend apart from ubuntu?
[08:53] <cipher_> Yeah, I used apt-get install to install it, but it seems flakey.
[08:53] <trappist> ossie: lfs
[08:53] <ossie> cos im starting to think ubuntu is whack
[08:53] <conrad_> Kovecses: unfortunately, it is not in my repositories (synaptics doesn't find it)
[08:53] <UbuntuNewbie> I am also a control freak, is there any way to view all processes that run on startup.  Also, everyone is telling me that a firewall is not needed and viruses are not much of a problem with *nix, which is kinda hard to swallow but **great** if true!
[08:53] <Xenguy> trappist: I'm sure it is, but those are not working for me, as I mentioned
[08:53] <ossie> trappist, what is lfs?
[08:53] <delltony> but i thought you COULDN'T gpart a active partition
[08:53] <cipher_> UbuntuNewbie, I dunno who told you a firewall is unimportant, I don't agree.
[08:53] <delltony> and when you run the livecd it would mount the partiton would it not?
[08:53] <dbcalo> does this guide spell out what i would need to do? http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library-combined/l-fireboot.html
[08:53] <cipher_> Personally I'm lazy so I use a h/w firewall.
[08:53] <ompaul> ossie, linux from scratch but hey remember what to install when you think the rest is too hard
[08:53] <sara_> i hate kpackage
[08:54] <ossie> im getting random lockups, where i have to pull the plug
[08:54] <ossie> ompaul, what u mean ???
[08:54] <trappist> UbuntuNewbie: apt-get install bum and use bum to see startup services.  I recommend a firewall, but it's true there's not much point installing an antivirus unless you're running a mail server and want to protect windows users from them.
[08:54] <conrad_> Kovecses: as you suggest alternatively, i'll try burning it as data cd and hope my dvd player picks it up
[08:54] <delltony> and is gparted part of the breezy live cd?
[08:54] <Epix> any ideas?
[08:54] <ossie> i dont find ubuntu hard , its just unreliable and i think buggy
[08:54] <delltony> i know on horay i had to download it
[08:54] <MFen> mad_phoenix: AHA!  http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/freenx-knx/2005-September/002130.html
[08:54] <crimsun> dbcalo: the two-phase boot describes the basic ideas, but it's not a verbatim guide.
[08:55] <koro> Is there a way to let the language of the system be english but allow me to use spanish charset and keyboard?
[08:55] <MFen> mad_phoenix: ok *now* i have a black screen :)
[08:55] <trappist> ossie: #ubuntu is probably not the place to ask about what you should do when you decide ubuntu sucks.
[08:55] <ompaul> ossie, when you want to come back we will still be here, and your random lockups are more likely to do with an ati or some other video card
[08:55] <MFen> oh wait, here it comes
[08:55] <ilred> hi to all
[08:55] <mad_phoenix> MFen: wow what a strange bug
[08:55] <ossie> i have installed nvidia
[08:55] <Kovecses> fglrx baby
[08:55] <UbuntuNewbie> ok, Cipher....then what is the Zone Alarm equivalent of a firewall for Ubuntu...I feel like I need a translator from Windows to Linux here.
[08:55] <ossie> but i am using the suggestd drivers
[08:55] <mad_phoenix> MFen:  i don't have cygwin installed, probably why i didn't run into that problem
[08:55] <MFen> mad_phoenix: are you running a windows client too?
[08:55] <Xenguy> ossie: did you use the DEBs then?
[08:55] <mad_phoenix> yup
[08:55] <ompaul> ossie you need to luck at a page I am about to get the bot to send you
[08:55] <Kovecses> beep-media-player is pretty cool
[08:55] <dbcalo> i think i'll try building another kernel. i have a 1gb jumpdrive i can dump it to. would that make it easier?
[08:56] <ilred> i've problems with kaffeine and divx
[08:56] <ompaul> !tell ossie about nvidia
[08:56] <trappist> UbuntuNewbie: there's nothing quite like zone alarm for linux.  there's a newish project that tries pretty hard, but you're better off rethinking the way you look at firewalls.
[08:56] <ossie> i have used the ones from apt-get and the ones from autamotix
[08:56] <ilred> with gstreamer i've some error messages, with xine i've slow video
[08:56] <MFen> mad_phoenix: anyway it makes sense in hindsight.  it includes cygwin's openssh in the distribution, but since i have one on the system, it tries to use that one first, but it can't, because the path to it is hardcoded incorrectly
[08:56] <ossie> cheers for the bot  :
[08:56] <ossie> :)
[08:56] <delltony> so put in live cd let it boot up then hit terminal and hope gparted is on it? only live cds i have is warty and horay
[08:56] <ilred> i use kubuntu breezy and fglrx
[08:56] <mad_phoenix> MFen: well at least you located it
[08:57] <MFen> y
[08:57] <ompaul> ossie, that problem is due to the *nice* people in nvidia not allowing their full design spec out to the community to code good drivers, so ehh it is unfortunate but not really anything to do with ubuntu
[08:57] <mad_phoenix> MFen:  i was just able to stream a divx avi file over to my windows client, and only on an 802.11b connection too!  :)
[08:57] <UbuntuNewbie> Please explain, trappist...
[08:57] <conrad_> Hikaru79: do you play go?
[08:57] <ossie> ompaul, i had problems before i used this graphics card, i find ubntu a bit slow
[08:57] <MFen> mad_phoenix: how far apart are the client and server?
[08:57] <Xenguy> ompaul: I followed the first link, but it just locks up my box when trying to boot to X
[08:57] <ossie> not as slow as suse, but still nto as fast as XP
[08:57] <Hikaru79> conrad_, yes I do :)
[08:58] <UbuntuNewbie> what do I need to rethink?
[08:58] <Hikaru79> conrad_, I take it you do also? :) How strong are you?
[08:58] <Kovecses> ossie, nvidia?
[08:58] <mad_phoenix> well they're both university networks, but the windows box is on a lan and my linux laptop is on the wifi network....
[08:58] <conrad_> Hikaru79: hehe, only 18 kyu
[08:58] <ossie> and the hastle , dont get me wrong ive enjoyed learning all the linux stuff, but it just is a lot of hassle , cant even get my ipod to work properly
[08:58] <ompaul> Xenguy, try >>sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg << ossie when you have all the stuff on that page done if your still having problems that command may help you also
[08:58] <MFen> so far this kicks the crap out of using the X protocol directly
[08:58] <conrad_> Hikaru79: been downloading the hikaru no go animes
[08:59] <crimsun> conrad_: -> #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:59] <Hikaru79> Ah =/
[08:59] <ossie> that command has saved me a few times, when ive been at the black screen
[08:59] <dbcalo> trappist, i have a 1gb jumpdrive i can dump the kernel to when building it from knoppix. would that make my life any easier?
[08:59] <Epix> Why would my mouse not work in quake3?
[08:59] <Epix> EVen when it worked!
[08:59] <Epix> before.'
[08:59] <Kovecses> ossie, linux will get better in the future
[08:59] <Xenguy> ompaul: yes, I ran that already, but still no joy -- should I try installing the official drivers from nvidia do you think?
[08:59] <ompaul> Xenguy, it is your box :) you have the link go for it
[09:00] <ompaul> and make sure you get the right drivers :)
[09:00] <crimsun> Epix: as I recall there's a DGA mouse setting you can toggle; check Google
[09:00] <mad_phoenix> MFen:  one thing that suprised me however is that my cairo-enabled clearlooks CVS theme is broken over NX
[09:00] <MFen> mad_phoenix: eh.
[09:00] <mad_phoenix> ya, it's not a big deal
[09:00] <MFen> mad_phoenix: what does having a cairo-enabled theme get you?
[09:01] <mad_phoenix> animated checkboxes and progress bars, and i noticed that the Applications Places and System menus load faster
[09:01] <mad_phoenix> just faster widgetry in general
[09:01] <mad_phoenix> because it's rendered off my graphics card using glitz
[09:01] <Xenguy> ompaul: well I would prefer to just apt-get of course - I don't understand why that has not worked, as this box is a pretty generic/on-board AMD box
[09:01] <MFen> mad_phoenix: erm... and it surprises you that that doesn't work? :)
[09:01] <dbcalo> i guess if all else fails i'll try running damn small linux from my usb drive or try installing gentoo from the minimal cd.
[09:02] <Xenguy> Kovecses: did you get nvidia DEBs to work alright?
[09:02] <mad_phoenix> MFen:  haha no, i guess not...but it does make me wonder about Gnome switching their backend to something that can't be compressed in X protocol
[09:02] <mad_phoenix> MFen: that being said, it's still very very beta
[09:02] <Kovecses> Xenguy, i dont have an Nvidia .... but i set them up for a friend without issues.... but it was a debian box
[09:02] <mad_phoenix> if you can even call it that
[09:02] <e-fonz> naliothe?
[09:02] <redvelvet> how do I get my computer to operate on the tv
[09:03] <e-fonz> -e
[09:03] <kbrooks> See, I have this microsoft ps/2 mouse. When I plug it in, upon moving of the mouse, the cursor does not move
[09:03] <conrad_> Hikaru79: do you know a good site to download the hikaru anime?
[09:03] <kbrooks> Help me.
[09:03] <Kibou> are there gonna be xorg 7 packages any time soon?
[09:03] <Xenguy> Kovecses: can you point me to any instructions, or offer any pointers/tips?
[09:03] <MFen> mad_phoenix: yeah, they might fix it then
[09:03] <kbrooks> This is very, very, very urgent
[09:03] <MFen> mad_phoenix: report a bug! :)
[09:03] <Hikaru79> conrad_, there's a link to one on http://senseis.xmp.net
[09:03] <cmatheson> !tell kbrooks about questions
[09:03] <Hikaru79> Go look there.
[09:03] <mad_phoenix> MFen: yes, its my civic duty
[09:03] <crimsun> we need to add ESR's questions FAQ
[09:03] <e-fonz> any one know (I am sure some1 does) how to open console in the right map?
[09:03] <Mabus06> can someone help me find out if one motherboard uses the same ram as my current motherboard?
[09:03] <Kovecses> kbrooks, buy a new mouse
[09:04] <Kovecses> kbrooks, not everything is compatible with linux
[09:04] <cmatheson> crimsun: yeah, it should be on topic... ubotu has it under 'questions' though
[09:04] <redvelvet> does anyone know how I can use the s-video output on my video card?  nividia
[09:04] <dbernar1> crimsun: to what?
[09:05] <dbernar1> add it to what
[09:05] <sara__> can i use the kbuntu install cd to repair a damaded kde desktop?
[09:05] <cmatheson> redvelvet: hey read the READMEs in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx, i think it talks about tvout there... you have to edit your xorg.conf
[09:05] <crimsun> dbernar1: it's moot; it's already in a factoid
[09:05] <e-fonz> 05any one know (I am sure some1 does) how to open console in the right map?
[09:05] <redvelvet> thanks, cmatheson
[09:05] <dbernar1> !moot
[09:05] <ubotu> dbernar1: What?
[09:05] <dbernar1> !questions
[09:05] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, questions is what #ubuntu exists for. Please help by asking good, clear questions. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is recommended reading
[09:05] <dbernar1> Is that from esr?
[09:05] <sara__> like as in to reinstall kde?
[09:05] <conrad_> Hikaru79: that is dead, do you play on kgs?
[09:06] <cmatheson> dbernar1: yes, note the ~esr
[09:06] <Hikaru79> conrad_, yes. Compulsively so.
[09:06] <Unity> what command do i issue to open the same X server that opens automatically after boot?
[09:06] <dbernar1> heh
[09:06] <Mabus06> can someone help me find out if one motherboard uses the same ram as my current motherboard?
[09:06] <conrad_> hehe
[09:06] <dbernar1> See I think I added that.
[09:06] <vniki> hi all!
[09:06] <cmatheson> Unity: install a display manager like [xkg] dm
[09:06] <conrad_> Hikaru79: what is your rating?
[09:07] <crimsun> conrad_: please migrate that discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:07] <Unity> cmatheson, like if i closed the X on display 0, how do i open it again in the same way?
[09:07] <Evil_Whisper> anyone here fimiliar with python?
[09:07] <Hikaru79> conrad_, I'm around 6kyu
[09:07] <Kovecses> Xenguy, im trying to recall what i did
[09:07] <MFen> Evil_Whisper: yes
[09:07] <kbrooks> Evil_Whisper, #python
[09:07] <cmatheson> Unity: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:07] <Hikaru79> Evil_Whisper, I'm sorta competent. What's up?
[09:07] <conrad_> crimsun: are we disturbing you?
[09:07] <koro> Please help. In the console, i get correct spanish characters like  but accents don't work
[09:07] <Kovecses> Xenguy, the ubuntu guide doesnt work for you
[09:07] <mirak> hi
[09:07] <crimsun> conrad_: it's offtopic
[09:07] <cmatheson> conrad_: yes, go away please
[09:07] <koro> my locale is es_AR.ISO blah blah
[09:07] <koro> what could i do?
[09:07] <e-fonz> any one know how i open console in the right directory?
[09:07] <Unity> cmatheson, now, how would i open that up on dispay 1 instead of display 0?
[09:07] <yurinachan> ^_^"
[09:07] <mirak> I am looking for a dapper deboostrap script. My hoary install doesn't have it It should be in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/
[09:07] <cmatheson> Unity: startx -- :1 i think
[09:08] <cmatheson> e-fonz: what do you mean?
[09:08] <crimsun> mirak: it would be silly for Hoary to have a debootstrap script for a flavor that doesn't exist at the time of its release.
[09:08] <Xenguy> Kovecses: so far it does not; my box just freezes going into X
[09:08] <dbcalo> is the kernel source on the breezy install cd?
[09:08] <ara> can someone tell me how can i get to command line in linux?
[09:09] <mirak> crimsun: maybe
[09:09] <binarydigit> ara: open a terminal
[09:09] <cmatheson> ara: log in...
[09:09] <conrad_> Kovecses: do i have to compile tovid myself - i don't see it in repositories
[09:09] <e-fonz> cmatheson:i need to repair a file with par2, but when i use the command it goes to the wrong directory
[09:09] <conrad_> anyone?
[09:09] <Epix> crimsun: no, the dga setting didnt help.
[09:09] <crimsun> mirak: it's fairly straightforward to dist-upgrade Hoary->Dapper
[09:09] <Xenguy> ara: or Ctrl-Alt-F3
[09:09] <mirak> crimsun: but that doesn't make no sens, to upgrade some stuffs
[09:09] <cmatheson> e-fonz: so 'cd' into the right directory
[09:09] <crimsun> mirak: come again?
[09:09] <mirak> crimsun: I don't want to dist upgrade. I did it and it failed anyway
[09:09] <dbernar1> conrad_: /msg ubotu info tovid
[09:09] <crimsun> Epix: did you consult the linuxgamers faq?
[09:10] <ossie> anyone use a psp on their ubuntu box?
[09:10] <Epix> crimsun: nope
[09:10] <Unity> cmatheson, that opens a different kind of xserver
[09:10] <mirak> crimsun: I want to do a clean install. I upgraded breezy from a copied partition
[09:10] <conrad_> dbernarlL don't get it
[09:10] <delltony> :( ok i put the live cd into the drive and booted and did like you said and went to terminal but there is no gparted as i figured there wouldn't be so how do i do this (please, help) thanks
[09:10] <mirak> crimsun: so I didn't trashed my main install
[09:10] <dbernar1> ubotu: tell conrad_ about ask the bot
[09:10] <e-fonz> cmatheson: mmmm, i am new at this....................
[09:10] <Unity> cmatheson, but thx anyway i think i can figure it out from here
[09:10] <crimsun> mirak: what precisely are you attempting to accomplish?
[09:10] <cmatheson> Unity: it's the exact same kind of xserver actually, what are you talking about?
[09:11] <cmatheson> e-fonz: cd /to/the/path/you/want
[09:11] <e-fonz> cmatheson: so the terminal does not open in the directory where i tried to open it?
[09:11] <mirak> crimsun: I have a dual boot with two linux. So I already hve two partitions. I removed ubuntu breezy 64 bits to use dapper instead. So I want to a debootstrap
[09:11] <Unity> cmatheson, it skips the login screen and goes directly to root's desktop
[09:11] <Unity> cmatheson, maybe i need to put gdm as the client app or something?
[09:11] <crimsun> mirak: wait, you _removed_ Breezy/amd64 and want to use Dapper/amd64?
[09:12] <mirak> crimsun: I want to do a bootstrap because I already have a bunch of .debs from the failed upgrade and I have a not fast adsl, so I prefer use deboostrap and use what I alrady have
[09:12] <mirak> crimsun: I want to use dapper x86
[09:12] <cmatheson> Unity: so you want a login (gdm?) on :1?
[09:12] <Unity> cmatheson, yes
[09:12] <crimsun> mirak: you tried to dist-upgrade amd64 flavors (Breezy->Dapper)?
[09:12] <mirak> crimsun: as I said I copied my breezy x86 over the old amd64 partition
[09:12] <ossie> im loosing faith , gotta pull the plug again, this time k3b wont allow me to clean reboot
[09:13] <mirak> crimsun: I tried to upgrade it to dapper but it failed because of dependencies.
[09:13] <cmatheson> Unity: ok, that's not going to be entirely trivial because gdm doesn't like two instances of itself running at the same time... i would suggest trying some gnome-specific channels
[09:13] <crimsun> mirak: if you tried to dist-upgrade amd64 flavors, you can't install those debs in your Breezy->Dapper/i386
[09:13] <mirak> crimsun: so I though I could do a clean install instead getting a headeach fixing the deps :)
[09:13] <mirak> crimsun: I erased it
[09:14] <mirak> I just need the dapper scripts. Maybe I could find them inside a deboostrap dapper package ?
[09:14] <mirak> crimsun:
[09:14] <Unity> cmatheson, ok thx
[09:14] <delltony> :(
[09:14] <crimsun> mirak: of course, just install that package (but beware of dependencies)
[09:14] <Kovecses> java-package ... i love this friggin app
[09:14] <cmatheson> Unity: good luck
[09:15] <ph8> my friends out-of-the-box ubuntu has a nice splash screen where all the sorts of configuration network interfaces... [ok]  stuff appears, mine just does it in plaintext - anyone know how to enable it?
[09:15] <mirak> crimsun:  think I will just extract it
[09:15] <dbernar1> hey, I figured out how to add a windows computer to a samba domain, just ask me if you need anything.;)
[09:15] <enkrav_> Hello, I know ubuntu does not care about Abi compatibility with other distros, but does it make an effort to assure a package built for, say 5.4 does run on later versions like 6.10 ?
[09:15] <hardbop200> hello all, I need a free ftp server that can handle a pretty decent volume - what do you suggest?  I've seen ncftp, but it is not free.
[09:15] <crimsun> enkrav_: no
[09:15] <ph8> proftpd?
[09:16] <Kovecses> enkrav, well they will have the same package built for them both
[09:16] <crimsun> enkrav_: we've had too many transitions to be able to ensure that.
[09:16] <trappist> enkrav_: changes to gcc and glibc make that infeasible
[09:16] <cmatheson> hardbop200: i like vsftpd
[09:16] <hardbop200> ph8:  I'll check it out.
[09:16] <hardbop200> cmatheson:  I've heard about vsftpd; does it perform okay?
[09:16] <Epix> crimsun: where would i find this faq?
[09:17] <cmatheson> hardbop200: hmm, i've only used it for mirroring linux repos for local installs here at work... it's been great for that... but i haven't used it for anything super high-volume
[09:17] <mirak> I have seen .udeb in the repository, that's new ? :D
[09:17] <Kovecses> crimsun, where are you from
[09:17] <Unity> cmatheson, and another thing, the second gnome desktop doesn't have the same widget theme
[09:17] <crimsun> Epix: search for "linux game icculus faq"
[09:17] <hardbop200> cmatheson:  well, "high volume" for me would be 6k a second on an internal network, but *constant*
[09:17] <crimsun> Kovecses: SE USA, why?
[09:18] <Kovecses> crimsun, are you a dev?
[09:18] <crimsun> Kovecses: I'm a MOTU
[09:18] <Kovecses> crimsun, whats that?
[09:18] <crimsun> (we maintain the universe & multiverse packages)
[09:18] <trappist> master of the universe
[09:18] <cmatheson> Unity: yeah that's going to be sticky... gdm reads it's theme and stuff from /etc/gdm/* iirc, but there isn't any way of specifying alternate config files afaik
[09:18] <cmatheson> hardbop200: i don't think that should be a problem
[09:18] <ph8> my friends out-of-the-box ubuntu has a nice splash screen where all the sorts of configuration network interfaces... [ok]  stuff appears, mine just does it in plaintext - anyone know how to enable it?
[09:18] <hardbop200> cmatheson:  thanks for the suggestion, I'll definately try it out.
[09:19] <ompaul> ph8, what version are you using?
[09:19] <Kovecses> crimsun, well i appreciate your work... thank you
[09:19] <ph8> latest breezy
[09:19] <crimsun> Kovecses: everyone has a hand it in, not the least of it all of us as users
[09:19] <delltony> anyone know if there is a tivo desktop for linux ?
[09:19] <cmatheson> crimsun: so i sorta want to get involved w/ this whole MOTU business but everytime i start looking into it i'm never sure what to work on... is there like a definite list of tasks that need doing or something?
[09:19] <trappist> delltony: mythtv
[09:20] <delltony> oh really?
[09:20] <delltony> thanks
[09:20] <ompaul> ph8, it should just work in that case - have you done something funny like change the way the network connects?
[09:20] <crimsun> cmatheson: wiki/MOTU is a decent starting point. Currently we're working on merges from Sid
[09:20] <trappist> delltony: it's not tivo, which is proprietary, but it serves a similar purpose
[09:20] <ph8> it's not just the network interfaces line
[09:20] <ph8> i mean all the startup junk
[09:20] <hunger> Any grub profi here? I can't manage to install it into my bootsector.
[09:20] <ph8> * checking disk partition * starting samba things like that
[09:20] <delltony> as long as i can transfer my stuff over thats all i want
[09:20] <ompaul> ph8, did you upgrade from 5.04 or something?
[09:20] <crimsun> cmatheson: #ubuntu-motu is the place to ask.
[09:20] <ph8> it's about 40+ items down the screen
[09:20] <delltony> i appreciate it
[09:20] <ph8> yes i've upgraded from hoary
[09:20] <trappist> hunger: is your boot partition xfs?
[09:21] <hunger> trappist: Nope. It is mounted on /mnt/boot with /boot being a symlink into that.
[09:21] <ompaul> ph8, it is there at the start of the boot?
[09:21] <olarilole> hi there
[09:21] <Unity> cmatheson, sry, yet another related question, when i specify a config file using -config special.conf, startx complains that it couldn't move the old log file in /var/logs and then dies
[09:21] <cmatheson> crimsun: cool, thanks
[09:21] <olarilole> does anyone manage to control the wireless lan LED on an asus A6 or alike under ubuntu?
[09:21] <trappist> hunger: are you doing this in a chroot?
[09:22] <olarilole> the one for the mail notification is easy to handle
[09:22] <visik7> why ubuntu set /dev/hda1 (an ntfs partition) unradable by the user ?
[09:22] <cmatheson> Unity: hmm, i've never had this problem... does it tell you which log file it can't move?
[09:22] <hunger> trappist: Nope.
[09:22] <crimsun> visik7: mount it with umask=022
[09:22] <olarilole> the one for the wireless should handle pretty much in the same way
[09:22] <olarilole> but it doesn't
[09:22] <trappist> hunger: so, what happens when you try
[09:22] <hunger> trappist: I need to share one partition between several distros.
[09:22] <cmatheson> hunger: which partition?
[09:22] <hunger> trappist: grub-install fails since /boot is a symlink
[09:23] <hunger> cmatheson: The boot partition.
[09:23] <Unity> killed the wrong X...
[09:23] <olarilole> LEDs on an asus laptop
[09:23] <olarilole> anyone?
[09:23] <ossie> anyone reccommend a tool link system restore on xp, so that i can take a snapshot of my current configureation?
[09:23] <crimsun> ossie: norton ghost
[09:23] <Mabus06> XP, ossie? Try another channell.
[09:23] <hunger> trappist: Setup in the grub shell fails as well (I think I am doing something wrong there).
[09:23] <olarilole> have  cool script for the email one but can't make the wireless one work
[09:23] <Mabus06> Like, oh, I dunno... #xp
[09:23] <ossie> cheers crimsun
[09:24] <cmatheson> hunger: i don't *think* that would be a problem, although i'v never tried... i usually just let each distro hadnle their own /boot
[09:24] <delltony> trappist, which conf should i use if i just have a home network and nly wanting to use it like tivo desktop?
[09:24] <sureshot> how does one tell if gcc is installed on ubuntu gnome
[09:24] <koro> I have problems with my spanish keyboard, in console it shows the characters correctly but when i try to type accents it doesn't work
[09:24] <koro> any ideas how to fix that?
[09:24] <cmatheson> sureshot: you could try running 'gcc' and see if it works
[09:24] <hunger> cmatheson: The only problem I see so far is that I can not get grub to install properly.
[09:24] <trappist> hunger: have you tried --root-directory=/mnt/boot
[09:24] <sureshot> duh
[09:24] <mad_phoenix> sureshot: open a terminal and type gcc, if it's a recognized command then you have it
[09:24] <crimsun> sureshot: it's not installed by default. You probably want the 'build-essential' package.
[09:24] <sureshot> thanks
[09:24] <ph8> ompaul: Yes, but there's no nice screen around it
[09:24] <mad_phoenix> sureshot: otherwise sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:24] <Unity> cmatheson, /var/log/Xorg.0.log to /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old, i assume because the currently running X is holding onto that file
[09:24] <cmatheson> hunger: well you should only need grub on one of the partitions right?
[09:24] <Kovecses> sureshot, apt-get install build-essential
[09:24] <trappist> delltony: I dunno, I haven't used mythtv in a long time
[09:24] <sureshot> newbie as you can tell
[09:24] <hunger> cmatheson: I'd use one boot partition for each linux, too, but on my laptop there is just not enough partitions to go around:-)
[09:25] <hunger> cmatheson: Yes.
[09:25] <Kovecses> sureshot, what do you need gcc for?
[09:25] <cmatheson> hunger: oooh, yeah, try sharing them that would be interesting... just don't let each distro's install blow away the other distros files
[09:25] <hunger> cmatheson: I want ubuntu to "manage" grub. Unfortunately I can not get it grub installed from ubuntu with /boot being a symlink:-(
[09:26] <hunger> cmatheson: That is why I mounted the boot partition on /mnt/boot.
[09:26] <ompaul> ph8, I upgraded a couple of the boxes here and I got the new artwork along the way, pop the contents of your  /etc/apt/sources.list into paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:26] <koro> alguien habla espanol?
[09:26] <ompaul> !es
[09:26] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[09:26] <ossie> i wish i could show u guys how my computer is behaving
[09:26] <hunger> cmatheson: /boot is a symlink into that partition (like /mnt/boot/ubuntu)
[09:26] <sureshot> trying to run gampas it aborts on run
[09:26] <cmatheson> hunger: hmm, that is trouble.. it doesn't like that huh?
[09:26] <hunger> cmatheson: Exactly.
[09:26] <hunger> cmatheson: So far I thought I had had a pretty good idea;-)
[09:26] <trappist> ossie: random lockups are almost always hardware issues, usually heat-related.
[09:27] <ossie> cant even copy a file to my psp, it just hangs half way threw
[09:27] <ossie> its not just the lockups
[09:27] <ossie> nothing seems to work correctly
[09:27] <cmatheson> hunger: i'm not familiar enough w/ how the install works... but what happens if you just mount your boot partition on /boot instead of /mnt/boot and then symlinking it?
[09:27] <Kovecses> mandriva makes me puke
[09:27] <trappist> ossie: when something like that happens, run 'dmesg' and see if there's anything relevant at the end
[09:27] <veriz> hello :)
[09:27] <Unity> does anyone know how to change the welcome screen's language back to default (english usa)?
[09:27] <trappist> Kovecses: no distro-bashing please
[09:27] <Epix> crimsun: nothing on that FAQ that could help.
[09:28] <Kovecses> hello veriz
[09:28] <ph8> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6235
[09:28] <cmatheson> Unity: hmm, not sure, it works for me
[09:28] <ph8> ompaul ^
[09:28] <Kovecses> trappist, sorry
[09:28] <ph8> obviously that cdrom shouldn't be there, how odd
[09:28] <ompaul> ph8, on it already :-)
[09:28] <Unity> cmatheson, ok thx
[09:28] <hunger> cmatheson: Then it complains about my LVM root partition not having a proper bios mapping. Might only be a warning though.
[09:29] <sureshot> kocesces did you get me post i am using gambas trying to get it to run a simple little program
[09:29] <cmatheson> hunger: yeah, i haven't played around w/ lvm yet, so i'm not too clear on that
[09:29] <ompaul> ph8, as you say, put a # infront of your friend and mine mr CDROM and do your dist upgrade thing
[09:29] <ompaul> ph8, seen the note from the bot :-)
[09:29] <Kovecses> can anybody help me with bug #15634 ... or at least tell me if it is dangerous
[09:30] <olarilole> koro: setxkblayout is the solution for all kbd probs
[09:30] <ph8> nothing upgraded
[09:30] <hunger> cmatheson: You should! LVM is the coolest thing since they invented sliced bread.
[09:30] <ph8> i have a feeling the cdrom was a late addition
[09:30] <Kovecses> what makes lvm better?
[09:30] <olarilole> koro: i had the same prob before (not spanish kbd though)
[09:30] <ompaul> ph8, like it is after the breezy days?
[09:30] <cmatheson> hunger: haha, yeah, it's on my todo list for my next install... it sounds way hot (i started getting really interested in it when i started playing around w/ xen)
[09:30] <ompaul> ph8, how could that have happened
[09:31] <olarilole> koro: KORO!!! sorry
[09:31] <delltony> trappist, hope you don't mind me asking this question since i have asked it before today wth no real luck do you have experience resizing partition in linux? i have a live cd but obviously i don't know what i'm doinig cause i booted it went to terminal and went to gparted but gparted is not there so i have no idea how to resize
[09:31] <olarilole> it's setxkbmap
[09:31] <hunger> cmatheson: I had to switch the internal HD of my laptop recently... It was a matter of a couple of commands to move everything to an USB disk (while I keept working on the laptop!).
[09:31] <Xenguy> How can I verify whether I am running a 386 or else a 686 kernel (default breezy  install) ?
[09:31] <hunger> cmatheson: You got Xen working?
[09:31] <Unity> cmatheson, ok i sorta solved it. it works as root. thx for your help
[09:31] <mjr> Xenguy, uname -a
[09:31] <Kovecses> Xenguy, uname -r
[09:31] <Epix> crimsun: any more ideas?
[09:31] <mjr> Xenguy, by default you'll have 386, tho
[09:31] <Kovecses> Xenguy, or -a
[09:31] <olarilole> try something like $ setxkbmap -layout 'es'
[09:32] <Kovecses> brb
[09:32] <cmatheson> hunger: yeah, but it was on a debian box
[09:32] <olarilole> koor: or even  $ setxkbmap -layout 'es' -type 'pc105'
[09:32] <Xenguy> Kovecses mjr OK, so uname -r gives: 2.6.12-9-386
[09:32] <cmatheson> Unity: ok cool, hope you can get that all going
[09:33] <Xenguy> mjr: yes, as I suspected, this is 386 then
[09:33] <mad_phoenix> is there a big difference between the 386 and 686 kernels/
[09:33] <mad_phoenix> ?
[09:33] <crimsun> Epix: not off the top of my head, no
[09:33] <cmatheson> mad_phoenix: i haven't ever really been able to *notice* a difference, but if anything needs to be optimized for your arch, it is probably the kernel
[09:33] <ossie> i found that 686 was a lot better with my hyperthreading cpu
[09:33] <pashaw> mad_phoenix,   most people coiuldnt tell the different
[09:34] <hunger> cmatheson: I'm fighting on getting a xen kernel that is as close to the ubuntu one as possible... but the linux repository of Xen is not really well maintained:-(
[09:34] <Epix> crimsun: reboot?
[09:34] <mad_phoenix> thats what i figured, i dont think i'd notice on my p4-mobile
[09:34] <ph8> ompaul: Not sure, possibly when i put an ubuntu livecd in there
[09:34] <ph8> i don't remember why tbh
[09:34] <ph8> but it's gone now
[09:34] <paolob> Hi all
[09:34] <ph8> And i still have no pretty load screen
[09:34] <cmatheson> hunger: yeah, it's a mess... we're having problems w/ that at work here too as well (i play w/ it on a debian box, but our production has to be mandrake :( .. getting the right kernel can be a struggle)
[09:34] <ph8> I can customise grub fine
[09:34] <ph8> i'm running 2.6.12-9 if that makes any difference
[09:35] <ompaul> ph8, does not make sense - apt-get update << first then >>  apt-get distupgrade and see if you get anything
[09:35] <ph8> and its' just plain between grub and gdm starting
[09:35] <gerald> how do I make my windows partition (sda3) to be read by non super user?
[09:35] <ph8> i'm done that
[09:35] <ph8> i'm already running breezy
[09:35] <Kovecses> gerald, add user to fstab
[09:35] <trappist> that's gotta be the single most FAQ in here
[09:36] <ompaul> ph8, have you done it today?
[09:36] <Epix> crimsun: reinstall?
[09:36] <ph8> no, ages ago
[09:36] <ph8> this is just something that's been bothering me
[09:36] <ompaul> ph8, okay well lets do it now
[09:36] <mcjerry> gerald what dir is the widows part?
[09:36] <ph8> do what?
[09:36] <ompaul> ph8,  apt-get update << first then >>  apt-get distupgrade
[09:36] <ph8> i've done that today
[09:36] <ossie> this is soooo fast, only takes an eternity to copy 800 meg file from my scsi 7200k drive , so fast about 20 mins and im still waiting
[09:36] <gerald> in /media
[09:36] <ph8> about 5 minutes ago when you asked me before
[09:36] <Kovecses> gerald, fstab
[09:36] <conrad_> do i have to have a password to be able to offer private chat?
[09:37] <mike-e> is there an official list of repositories favored by people using ubuntu breezy?
[09:37] <mike-e> !repositories
[09:37] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.kubuntu.org/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[09:37] <I_Am_> help
[09:37] <Kovecses> gerald, under options.. you see how like your cdrom drive says user... do that for the windows part
[09:37] <I_Am_> how do i change a read only file
[09:37] <ossie> ive got dual xeon 2.80 ghz, 1gig of high speed ram, and my machine is running like dog doo
[09:37] <ph8> any ideas ompaul?
[09:37] <ompaul> ph8, your answer was not clear - however with this info in mind, your problem is beyond me - are you getting any errors for apt-get udpate?
[09:37] <mad_phoenix> I Am: man chmod
[09:38] <ph8> no, i updated to breezy a long time ago
[09:38] <crimsun> Epix: I doubt a reinstall will help
[09:38] <mad_phoenix> I Am: but you probably want to do sudo chmod a+rwx [filename]
[09:38] <ph8> this is something that's been bothering me for a while
[09:38] <kyncani> Hi, i'm looking for a backup solution, as dar seems to be very long to create an incremental archive. Any suggestion ?
[09:38] <I_Am_> i need to alter my windows boot.ini and gedit only views it as a read only
[09:38] <Kovecses> gerald, does that make any sense
[09:38] <conrad_> crimsun: do i need a password to be able to request private chats?
[09:38] <mcjerry> gerald add "/dev/sda1 /media ntfs umask=0222 0 0' to your fstab where sda1 is partition 1 change if necessary then 'mount -a'
[09:38] <Tachyon> I'm trying to install an Epson Stylus CX-3800.  There's no Stylus CX-3800 driver available under the menu.  Does anyone know where I can get one?  Or will another one do?
[09:38] <trappist> I_Am_: ntfs?
[09:38] <winterhawk> hey guys... I gotta say after years of running BSD (and still running it on 2 boxes) I'm running ubuntu on my laptop because it 'just works'.  Great job, guys.
[09:38] <I_Am_> yea
[09:38] <bluefrog-10> kyncani, apt-get backuppc
[09:38] <mad_phoenix> I Am: well, you're not going to necessarilly be able to write to the windows filesystem
[09:38] <ossie> sorry guys, to burst any bubbles here , but im going back to suse, this is just insane
[09:39] <paolob> Anyone knows if there is something binary available for conexant AccessRunner pci-dsl modem for ubuntu? thank you!
[09:39] <ompaul> ph8, you are missing the point, I am asking about today I don't care when you did it are there any outstanding issues that apt is highlighting also >>sudo apt-get upgrade<< may be of use
[09:39] <ossie> not much of this os works
[09:39] <trappist> I_Am_: that's as good as it's going to get.  no ntfs write support in linux
[09:39] <Kovecses> ossie, whats the problem?
[09:39] <I_Am_> so you can't change that file?
[09:39] <ph8> for gods sake paul i'm not an idiot
[09:39] <conrad_> ossie: have fun, say hi to the gecko for me
[09:39] <trappist> I_Am_: unless you want to use captive
[09:39] <Tachyon> ossie: It could be worse.  You could be going back to Windows. :D
[09:39] <ph8> i run apt-get updates and upgrades regularly
[09:39] <I_Am_> captive?
[09:39] <hunger> trappist: Hah! The --root-directory hint brought me one step closer to a working grub install!
[09:39] <gerald> do I have to reboot for changes to occur?
[09:39] <trappist> hunger: awesome
[09:39] <conrad_> I love that gecko
[09:39] <kyncani> bluefrog-10: well, i did not like this {all must go through a web interface} thing with backuppc
[09:39] <mad_phoenix> I Am: that's not true, you can write to ntfs, but its dodgy and you essentially need to fsck the entire disk when you're done to check for inconsistencies...but you can do it using beta ntfstools
[09:39] <ossie> i might actually go back to windows, its much less hassle, i hate to say it but it s true
[09:39] <Kovecses> ossie, some people are better off on different distros... thats why there is so many
[09:40] <ompaul> ph8, thank you, and there are no outstanding issues, and your not running usplash
[09:40] <bluefrog-10> kyncani, too bad...
[09:40] <ossie> but i like ubuntu
[09:40] <Kovecses> windows is WAY more of a hassle for me
[09:40] <crimsun> !tell conrad_ about register
[09:40] <ossie> its just not doing simple tasks
[09:40] <Kovecses> like?
[09:40] <pashaw> ossie,   good luck   Ubuntu will still be here when you wish to try again
[09:40] <I_Am_> even if i have that windows partition mounted i still can't write to it?
[09:40] <kakei> no idea
[09:40] <kakei> does any one knows if a gamecube can be connected to the pc?
[09:40] <crimsun> conrad_: you need to be identified to query (priv msg) on Freenode
[09:40] <ph8> oo, usplash - let me check
[09:40] <ossie> this si my 3 install of ubuntu
[09:40] <conrad_> crimsun: who should tell me? can you not
[09:40] <kyncani> bluefrog-10: thanks anyway :)
[09:40] <I_Am_> i'm pretty sure i have downloaded some mp3's and stored them there
[09:40] <ossie> but i dont think i will be coming back if i leave this time
[09:41] <mcjerry> gerald: no reboot necessary
[09:41] <crimsun> conrad_: I just had the bot send you instructions.
[09:41] <conrad_> crimsun: how? where?
[09:41] <conrad_> ok
[09:41] <hunger> trappist: Of only I wouldn't need to enter the complete grub configuration each time I boot, then I think I'll be satisfied with my solution;-)
[09:42] <conrad_> ossie: what can be so difficult? what kind of computer do you have?
[09:42] <mcjerry> gerald: pm me
[09:42] <Unity> does anyone know how to set the welcome screen language?
[09:42] <ompaul> ph8, like you I am at a loss, your initial answers left me confused, which is why I broke it down to baby steps, if you care to hang around a while I will go play with some software and see if I can find the trigger you need
[09:42] <ossie> its not me its this ubuntu honeslty
[09:42] <conrad_> ossie: i installed breezy and everything works
[09:42] <Kovecses> ossie, well it seems to work for all of us
[09:42] <pashaw> ossie,   now your being silly
[09:42] <conrad_> ossie: have you used ubuntuguide.org ?
[09:42] <ossie> its all working, crashes now and then proably due to my nvidia
[09:42] <gerald> are you sure I add /dev/sda1 and not /media/sda1?
[09:43] <Kovecses> omg
[09:43] <conrad_> ossie: i use nvidia!
[09:43] <trappist> ossie: don't you think if it was the distro we'd all be having these issues and the distro would have failed long ago?
[09:43] <ossie> its just simple thigns like copying a file to my psp , takes an eternity
[09:43] <ossie> trying to get my ipod to work in gtkpod is a big hassle
[09:43] <mirak> crimsun: I have a bunch of .deb file resulting from a failed dist-upgrade to dapper. I was wondering if I can reuse them by just puting them into the apt archive folder
[09:43] <conrad_> ossie: sounds like windows is the one for you then
[09:43] <sethk> ossie, well, windows is really better for some people
[09:44] <crimsun> mirak: does the architecture match (i386)?
[09:44] <ossie> nah, will probably go back to ubuntu
[09:44] <sethk> ossie, administering a multiuser o/s is difficult
[09:44] <mirak> crimsun: sure
[09:44] <ossie> nah, will probably go back to suse
[09:44] <crimsun> mirak: then yes
[09:44] <Kovecses> ossie, do you use gnome in suse
[09:44] <mcjerry> gerald : can you pm me? register your nick and pm me
[09:44] <ossie> i dont mind the hassle , but hti sis getting ridiculous
[09:44] <mirak> crimsun: I was wondering if the files are referenced or if it just picks them into the cache
[09:44] <ossie> no i use Kde in suse
[09:44] <gerald> how do I register my nick?
[09:44] <pashaw> ossie,   i think you should    what you learn there may help you redo Ubuntu later
[09:44] <crimsun> mirak: they're downloaded and stashed in cache
[09:44] <veriz> Anyone know how i can bring webpages to my server?
[09:44] <veriz> Like from other server
[09:44] <ph8> ompaul: usplash is starting at the same runlevels as gdm
[09:45] <ompaul> ph8, okay first up the boot up manager program (bum who thinks up these names) is it installed?
[09:45] <ossie> wwooo hoo, cant take a bit of critiscm
[09:45] <ompaul> ahh
[09:45] <mcjerry> gerald: in FreeNode Servier window type /msg Nickserv Register
[09:45] <Unity> veriz, copy them into the document root
[09:45] <Kovecses> i used gnome for ever... used kde 3.5 for about a month.. to see what all the hype was about... then came right back to gnome
[09:45] <ompaul> ph8, it should :-/
[09:45] <Unity> veriz, you can maybe get them with httrack
[09:45] <conrad_> pashaw: i doubts it rpm and deb are so different . ap-get and yast
[09:45] <Tachyon> Anyone have insight into my printer question? :)  I'm just wondering if a non-CX-3800 driver will work, and if not, where I might find one for the printer.
[09:45] <ossie> im just pointing out my issues
[09:45] <veriz> Unity: httrack ?
[09:45] <pashaw> ossie,   i honestly like SuSe    just prefer debian way
[09:46] <ph8> "Manager Program" ?
[09:46] <conrad_> i love SUSE too, was my first love, but have to admit that apt-get is easier
[09:46] <ossie> ubuntu is better to use, just im finding it buggy
[09:46] <Unity> veriz, httrack mirrors webservers
[09:46] <Kovecses> ossie, so go use suse .. and stop whining
[09:47] <Kovecses> i like ubuntu and fedora
[09:47] <ossie> im not whining, im just airing my opinion
[09:47] <veriz> Unity: like if i want to set www.asdasd.com into my server what should i do?
[09:47] <ph8> ompaul:  "Manager Program"?
[09:47] <ossie> hope that isnt warrant to be kicked
[09:47] <ZeroIRC> Hey, how do I setup Sendmail?
[09:47] <pashaw> ossie,    this isnt the opinion channel  is a support channel  you know that
[09:47] <Kovecses> ossie, i was only kidding :)]
[09:47] <mcjerry> gerald-volt: i sent you a pm, i have a suggestion to make regarding your fs mount
[09:47] <ossie> gang up on me is it ;)
[09:48] <ompaul> ph8, the program I was referring to (gtk ap: sudo apt-get install bum) is no longer of interest to me as you have "id"ed the fact that usplash should be starting: try this >>sudo dpkg-reconfigure usplash<< it is unfortunate there is only one way to test :)
[09:48] <gerald-volt> wait
[09:48] <gerald-volt> give me a sec
[09:48] <ossie> i might stay on ubuntu just to come in here everyday and whine about my problems ;)
[09:48] <Unity> veriz, `httrack www.asdasd.com` and then copy all those files into your server's document root
[09:48] <ossie> im finding it very cathartic
[09:48] <Unity> veriz, i don't know if this is the cleanest solution though
[09:48] <Kovecses> ossie, are you from austraila?
[09:48] <ph8> that exited with no output ompaul
[09:48] <ossie> nope :)
[09:48] <ph8> i'm assuming that's normal
[09:49] <ompaul> ph8, as do I
[09:49] <mcjerry> gerald-volt: i wouldn't mount /dev/sda3 /media i would instead mkdir /mnt/windows and then /dev/sda3 /mnt/windows
[09:49] <Some_Body> hm, my amd64 computer won't detect the ubuntu boot disk
[09:49] <cliebow_> where does the wallpaper for a nautilus session actually live?
[09:49] <ph8> i'll reboot in an hour or so and let you know, downloading things atm
[09:49] <veriz> Unity: you mean just into /root directory?
[09:49] <Kovecses> ossie, yah i guess that would be aussie
[09:49] <Unity> veriz, no
[09:49] <Some_Body> I set it so the bios will detect the cd-rom first, but it still won't
[09:49] <ossie> nah its my real name
[09:49] <Kovecses> is it
[09:49] <Kovecses> i kinda like that name
[09:49] <ompaul> ph8, message me I most likley will not be watching the screen
[09:49] <gerald-volt> so you mean link /media/sda3 to /mnt/windows?
[09:49] <Unity> veriz, look at your webserver's config te find out where the documents go
[09:50] <Kovecses> Kovecses is my name
[09:50] <ossie> i might go for the dapper kernel next , watch out then ill be screaming in hear
[09:50] <Unity> veriz, /root is root's homedir
[09:50] <Some_Body> I also set the cd-rom as the master, and the hard disk as slave after the initial attempt failed
[09:50] <Some_Body> knowing it would do nothing
[09:50] <Some_Body> but...er...any suggestions?
[09:50] <ph8> cheers
[09:50] <mcjerry> gerald-volt: think you need to check to see if there is a /media/sda3 ...... never saw that.....should be a /dev/sda3.......ls to check
[09:51] <gerald-volt> NO
[09:51] <gerald-volt> sorry for caps
[09:51] <Kovecses> Some_Body, use a boot floppy
[09:51] <anna> hello, could someone please tell me how to use unace?
[09:51] <ossie> yes i think i might try to the dapper kernel before i jum the ubuntu ship
[09:51] <gerald-volt> i have /media/sda3
[09:51] <gerald-volt> that's my windows partition
[09:51] <gerald-volt> I can read it when I'm root
[09:51] <Ribs> anna: tried typing 'man unace' ?
[09:51] <yahaa_swe> ossie, you are now wanted dead or alive by the ubuntu mafia :P
[09:51] <ossie> ehehhehe
[09:51] <Some_Body> will a floppy hold 320+ mb?
[09:51] <ossie> i bet i am, i believe that
[09:51] <anna> Ribs in the terminal?
[09:51] <ossie> hehehe
[09:51] <mcjerry> gerald-volt, then is it already mounted in your fstab?
[09:51] <Ribs> anna: yes
[09:51] <Kovecses> Some_Body, no a boot floppy
[09:52] <gerald-volt> and in /dev
[09:52] <gerald-volt> i don't have anything called sda3
[09:52] <ompaul> ossie, sorry bud, but think about it, the rest of the world is wrong and your right?
[09:52] <gerald-volt> yea
[09:52] <crimsun> ossie: Dapper's kernel depends on a lot of infrastructure that Breezy lacks.
[09:52] <trappist> anna: unace x file.ace I think
[09:52] <gerald-volt> it works
[09:52] <ossie> yeah i find that alot , heheheheheh
[09:52] <gerald-volt> it's just that I want the user gerald to be able to read that partition as  well
[09:52] <gerald-volt> /dev/sda3       /media/sda3     ntfs    user,gerald        0       0
[09:52] <gerald-volt> do I just do that?
[09:52] <hunger> trappist: Heureka! Works now! Thanks for your hint!
[09:52] <conrad_> i cant wait for the Dapper Duck either
[09:52] <trappist> hunger: rockin
[09:52] <gerald-volt> before, the options was just default
[09:52] <anna> thank you, ill try this..
[09:52] <Ribs> gerald-volt: I think it's just 'users'
[09:52] <gerald-volt> k
[09:52] <ompaul> drake
[09:52] <Ribs> gerald-volt: you can't list the users in the fstab file
[09:52] <ossie> i think i had exagerated expectations of linux in general
[09:52] <conrad_> or is it Drake, hehe
[09:53] <Kovecses> duck?
[09:53] <mcjerry> gerald-volt: do you have ubuntu-desktop up?
[09:53] <ph8> who knows anything about configuring an imap server? I'm running courier via xinetd and some users can create folders with subfolders but not delete them, some can create folders without subfolders but delete them etc
[09:53] <Fanskapet> aagh.. damn you gentoo! bleh
[09:53] <Ribs> gerald-volt: It's either 'user' or 'users', I'm not sure.
[09:53] <Some_Body> what's wrong with gentoo?
[09:53] <gerald-volt> it's user
[09:53] <gerald-volt> according to the other options
[09:53] <Kovecses> Fanskapet, gentoo?... gentoo is cool
[09:53] <dennis999> What's a good file splitter for 4 gig+ files?
[09:53] <Ribs> gerald-volt: But that only controls who can mount the volume, not who can read/write it
[09:53] <Fanskapet> Some_Body, something strange :)
[09:53] <hunger> trappist: Now I only need to patch the linux-image install script that insists on putting the wrong kernel entries into menu.lst;-)
[09:53] <conrad_> Drake/Duck; who cares as long as its Daper
[09:53] <ompaul> Some_Body, nothing the people in the other chat room will tell you
[09:53] <yahaa_swe> Some_Body, its installation is a biatch
[09:53] <gerald-volt> oh
[09:53] <rukk> has anybody noticed that the latest version of firefox has a broken download box?
[09:53] <Fanskapet> Some_Body, http://pastebin.com/480677
[09:53] <Some_Body> well, if you do a stage 1...
[09:53] <gerald-volt> well then how do I make it so that I can read it
[09:53] <Epix> ok, wtf, my mouse wont work in quake3. I have reinstalled and rebooted. IT just stays in the upper left hand corner. Why?! I cant find any info at all on this! It even worked a while ago, and I have made NO changes to my q3config since! Help!
[09:53] <rukk> as in, nothing shows up at all in the download box, but it downloads fine?
[09:54] <ossie> dapper has in built support for the ITE raid card doesnt it , with this one i recompiled to include it , maybe ive made it buggy in the proccess
[09:54] <Kovecses> i like gentoo... but ubuntu "just works"
[09:54] <Fanskapet> Some_Body tell me if you see any error in that init.d file :)
[09:54] <trollducky> conrad, 'Dapper' heh
[09:54] <ompaul> conrad_, a drake is an interesting word put it with the word dragon into google or some such
[09:54] <Fanskapet> Kovecses, hummz well if it works yes :)
[09:54] <gerald-volt> so uuhh
[09:54] <gerald-volt> what do I do?
[09:54] <Kovecses> Fanskapet, so why are you in #ubuntu
[09:54] <mcjerry> gerald-volt: goto system/admiistration/disk
[09:54] <gerald-volt> gentoo has lots of good docs
[09:54] <Fanskapet> Kovecses, becouse im also a ubuntu user?
[09:54] <gerald-volt> i'm not using gnome
[09:54] <gerald-volt> i'm using fvwm
[09:55] <Kovecses> Fanskapet, ahh
[09:55] <Sika_> hello guys, i like to install my ubuntu to external usb2.0 hd.. after first reboot following comes up: ALERT! /dev/sdb1 does not exist. Dropping to shell - any advice to newbie ?
[09:55] <ompaul> gentoo and ancient african word for too much time on my hands :)
[09:55] <Fanskapet> Kovecses why are you in #ubuntu ?
[09:55] <marc_> does anyone here play World of Warcraft? I could use alittle help with the mouse issue - I've been trying the workaround but i cant seem to get it to work
[09:55] <Kovecses> Fanskapet, to talk trash to you :)
[09:55] <gerald-volt> haha
[09:55] <crimsun> gerald-volt: you need to mount it with umask=022
[09:55] <anna> trappist sorry, it does not work :(
[09:55] <Fanskapet> nice nice :)
[09:55] <gerald-volt> how do I do that
[09:55] <crimsun> gerald-volt: you probably want nls=utf8, too
[09:55] <trappist> Sika_: that's not going to work.  the kernel modules necessary to mount a usb hard drive aren't available at boot time.  you'll need to build your own kernel (or your own initrd) to fix it.
[09:55] <Fanskapet> and init.d scripts should not differ from ubuntu anyhow..
[09:55] <Fanskapet> bleh.. can't understand what's wrong with the crap
[09:56] <avgasse> I installed Xubuntu
[09:56] <Xenguy> nvidia: I am assuming that 'GeForce6100' is not an "older card", and so I do not need the 'legacy' drivers -- does this sound correct?
[09:56] <gerald-volt> hold on
[09:56] <gerald-volt> i gotta log off
[09:56] <ossie> well guys , im off sorry if i caused any offense, i will be back later to get some more advice on getting ubuntu working properly, NONE HACK ME NOW BE GOOD
[09:56] <gerald-volt> brb
[09:56] <Fanskapet> I can run it successfully with eg. /etc/init.d/blabla start
[09:56] <avgasse> what init script do I modify to tell Ubuntu to start xfce?
[09:56] <Sika_> trappist: ok, thx
[09:56] <Xenguy> er, nvidia question: I am assuming that 'GeForce6100' is not an "older card", and so I do not need the 'legacy' drivers -- does this sound correct?
[09:56] <yahaa_swe> ossie, take care now, bye bye then xD
[09:56] <aris[doritos] > i'd say yes
[09:56] <aris[doritos] > just try Xenguy
[09:56] <Fanskapet> but not at boot-time using rc-update add blabla default.. then i just get echo'ed "Usage: /etc/init.d/$NAME {start|stop|restart}" at boot-time.. really strange.
[09:56] <Fanskapet> beats me why
[09:57] <Xenguy> aris[doritos] : try what?
[09:57] <crimsun> avgasse: none. Just select Xfce4 from the Sessions menu in GDM.
[09:57] <aris[doritos] > try the non-legacy before trying legacy ones
[09:57] <Florob> Xenguy: GeForce6100 is not an older card.
[09:57] <crimsun> avgasse: I presume you have the 'xfce4' package installed from universe.
[09:57] <yan> I have sime problems : how can i change the sources of synaptic?
[09:57] <Kovecses> Fanskapet, what are you adding
[09:57] <yan> some*
[09:57] <Xenguy> Florob: thanks
[09:57] <avgasse> no, I installed xubuntu-desktop
[09:57] <cliebow_> Maine1
[09:58] <Fanskapet> Kovecses, http://pastebin.com/480677
[09:58] <Xenguy> aris[doritos] : already tried that
[09:58] <avgasse> I don't have a login manager
[09:58] <Fanskapet> Kovecses, starting a vnc session at boot.
[09:58] <avgasse> I don't use gdm, I think
[09:58] <yan> I have some problems : how can i change the sources of synaptic?
[09:58] <yan> I have some problems : how can i change the sources of synaptic?
[09:58] <Fanskapet> also have a even more simpler script starting a screen with irssi on the user fanskapet
[09:58] <yan> I have some problems : how can i change the sources of synaptic?
[09:58] <gerald-volt> ok
[09:58] <gerald-volt> I think I got it tow ork
[09:58] <Fanskapet> works starting as root manually but at boot-time.. the same result.
[09:59] <Kovecses> Fanskapet, dude look at that code... that should explain everything
[09:59] <gerald-volt> I just unmounted my windows partition
[09:59] <aris[doritos] > yan, don't spam
[09:59] <gerald-volt> and then ran this line
[09:59] <gerald-volt> mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[09:59] <Florob> Xenguy: actually the package description says that anything newer then GF2 is not old
[09:59] <trappist> yan: we heard you the third time
[09:59] <aris[doritos] > actually, if you can't find out how to use the source packages and ask the question in loop
[09:59] <yan> ok sorry
[09:59] <aris[doritos] > you have no business in changing them
[09:59] <Fanskapet> Kovecses, i have been staring at it for almost 1 1/2 hour :) and some documentation :) probably not enough
[09:59] <Fanskapet> but i don't get what's wrong :)
[09:59] <aris[doritos] > what are you going to change ?
[09:59] <trappist> yan: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:59] <yan> 10x
[10:00] <mcjerry> gerald-volt: i thought you said it was sda1 but if you got it to mount cool....
[10:00] <Kovecses> yan, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:00] <Kovecses> yan, or go here
[10:00] <gerald-volt> sorry if I said sda1
[10:00] <BoukenPink> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81311 <- Is there a way I can do this but split the resulting archive into parts that could be burned on to CD? :3
[10:00] <avgasse> so, how do I tell Ubuntu to skip the console and go right to xfce4?
[10:00] <Kovecses> yan, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:00] <yan> ok 1thatnk u ill try
[10:01] <Fanskapet> yahaa_swe, damn nuisance is the accurate translation :)
[10:01] <Kovecses> avgasse, well you could install a login mamager
[10:01] <Kovecses> avgasse, or add it to xinitrc
[10:01] <avgasse> what would be the "lightest" login manager then?
[10:01] <yahaa_swe> Fanskapet, :D
[10:01] <Kovecses> avgasse, xdm
[10:02] <mike-e> hmm upgrade went relatively smooth.
[10:02] <john_> I suddenly can not access the network configuration dialog in breezy? anyone got any ideas?
[10:02] <aris[doritos] > login + startx
[10:02] <pashaw> mike-e,   haha famous last words
[10:02] <mike-e> yeah no kidding
[10:02] <avgasse> xinitrc is for when X is already started...
[10:03] <Some_Body> well, I'm going to hope I screwed up the burning process for the cd, and download ubuntu again
[10:03] <LFA> hi
[10:03] <Kovecses> avgasse, it will start xfce for you though
[10:03] <aris[doritos] > i updated a laptop from debian to breezy server ;p and it worked fine
[10:03] <aris[doritos] > alos updated the hoary of my gf, I just had issues with nvidia-legacy
[10:03] <john_> anyone know that "lo" is on the network interfaces?
[10:03] <avgasse> but it won't start X for me
[10:04] <Hikaru79> john, it's the loopback local address. It's always there, don't worry about it.
[10:04] <aris[doritos] > john_, loopback. it's your own computer
[10:04] <Hikaru79> Should be on <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:04] <john_> well something strange is happening....
[10:04] <hunger> john_: It is used so that your computer can talk to itself.
[10:04] <Hikaru79> john_, what is it?
[10:04] <aris[doritos] > trying to tcpdump it is not a good idea
[10:04] <john_> ok i had my wifi configured ok
[10:04] <john_> and i started up and it didnt work
[10:05] <mike-e> is it possible to switch kubuntu to just regular ubuntu?
[10:05] <john_> so normally i go into configuration and disable it then activate it and 9 times out of 10 it works again
[10:05] <mike-e> or is that unnecessary
[10:05] <slide> Wtf is gam_server and why is it using 305MiB of my memory?
[10:05] <john_> ...i was getting this same issue with wired ethernet
[10:05] <trappist> mike-e: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:05] <UbuntuNewbie> I have a dual boot Windows Partitioning question
[10:05] <john_> anyway this time i start up i cant get to the configuration dialog
[10:05] <mcjerry> john_ lo is <IP_ADDRESS> loopback
[10:05] <Kovecses> gnome is better
[10:05] <john_> and therefore had no internet connection
[10:05] <Florob> mike-e: well you would install ubuntu-desktop pacage and remove kubuntu-desktop + dependecys.
[10:06] <mike-e> good
[10:06] <mike-e> kde sucks ass
[10:06] <john_> so i tried selecting eth0 and no luck as I couldnt get to the config dialog
[10:06] <Kovecses> w00t
[10:06] <john_> so then I tried ath0 (wifi)
[10:06] <john_> still no luck
[10:06] <john_> so then i tried lo and it works????
[10:06] <StyXman> I'm confused: what's the difference between breezy-updates and breezy-security?
[10:06] <john_> how t f is that?
[10:06] <UbuntuNewbie> I read the data from the Windows Dual Boot Howto
[10:06] <crimsun> slide: it's the userspace portion of a file-monitoring tool
[10:06] <Kovecses> even though linus dissed gnome
[10:06] <mike-e> brb
[10:06] <john_> normally i have either ath0 or eth0 selected
[10:06] <mike-e> linus sucks ass too
[10:06] <UbuntuNewbie> I have 2 partitions
[10:06] <mike-e> brb
[10:06] <Kovecses> lol
[10:06] <slide> crimsun, Is 300megs a normal amount of memory for it to eat?
[10:07] <john_> so how come selecting lo see,s to have overidden everything and it works now?
[10:07] <avgasse> my new question is: how do I start X at boot
[10:07] <crimsun> slide: it's not unreasonable
[10:07] <pashaw> UbuntuNewbie,  just ask your question and dont make mulitple lines
[10:07] <slide> ok
[10:07] <klaym> which terminal command shuts the computer down (in the sophisticated manner of course) ?
[10:07] <john_> anyone?
[10:07] <mcjerry> john_ when you type lsconfig, what is the ip address you have for lo?
[10:07] <visik7> klaym: shutdown
[10:07] <klaym> visik7: thanks
[10:07] <slide> klaym, powers off or restarts?
[10:07] <aris[doritos] > StyXman, breezy-security is like breezy-updates but only has security issues and is more up to dates than others
[10:07] <crimsun> slide: keep in mind that's not 300 physical megs. That 300 includes shared mappings.
[10:07] <Florob> mike-e: well he made a statement I wouldn't sign, but kde is better then gnome in some aspects, which he seems to care about, so I can understand him
[10:08] <klaym> shuts down
[10:08] <john_> where do i type lsconfig?
[10:08] <klaym> quite obvious :)
[10:08] <slide> shutdown -h now, i believe
[10:08] <aris[doritos] > or halt
[10:08] <mcjerry> john_ open terminal window
[10:08] <deniswifi> ola
[10:08] <klaym> what's the -h and now ?
[10:08] <deniswifi> ciao???
[10:08] <conrad_> kovecses: burnt that data cd. The pc dvd player will show'em, but unfortunately it doesn't play on my television dvd player
[10:08] <steve__> hey guys im having a brain cramp. what is the command to see the list of device connected to the computer
[10:08] <crimsun> aris[doritos] : (you probably meant breezy-security only has security updates, whereas breezy-updates has critical non-security fixes)
[10:08] <slide> man shutdown
[10:08] <slide> ;)
[10:08] <StyXman> aris[doritos] : so, should I update against both or just security?
[10:09] <avgasse> If I have to install a login manager, which is the "lightest" AND gives me a list of possible users? I don't want the end user to type her username, just her password
[10:09] <pashaw> steve__,   lspci
[10:09] <crimsun> StyXman: both.
[10:09] <aris[doritos] > take both of them
[10:09] <deniswifi> how writer dvd with ubuntu?
[10:09] <UbuntuNewbie> A 40 MB utility partition, and a 200GB ntfs partition (bootable).  The 200 GB ntfs partition is 1/4 full with windows junk...can I just resize it with the partitioner on the ubuntu cd
[10:09] <ITSa341> <-- has had lots of brain cramps the last few days trying to get 3d acceleration on my ATI Radeon Mobility IGP320
[10:09] <klaym> UbuntuNewbie: yes
[10:09] <klaym> UbuntuNewbie: just did it myself :)
[10:09] <conrad_> kovecses: that tovid is not easy for a noob like myself to find and compile
[10:09] <john_> mcjerry, i done that
[10:09] <steve__> that didnt tell me about my ide stuff tho
[10:10] <john_> command not found
[10:10] <mcjerry> steve__ depends on how they are connected
[10:10] <john_> should i be in a particular directory
[10:10] <steve__> they are ide connected
[10:10] <pashaw> steve__,    drives?   fdisk -l
[10:10] <steve__> but not mounted yet
[10:10] <steve__> thats it
[10:10] <mcjerry> john_ and what did it output?
[10:10] <john_> got a command not found
[10:10] <conrad_> koveceses: found a repository which i added to /etc/ sources list but apt-get didn't like it
[10:10] <mcjerry> steve__ exactly what are you trying to do?
[10:10] <steve__> wierd
[10:11] <UbuntuNewbie> ok say i want 10 gig for ubuntu...how do I set it up without killing current windows...that is what scares me.
[10:11] <mcjerry> john_ try ifconfig then
[10:11] <steve__> im trying to see what the drive is
[10:11] <steve__> ie hda1
[10:11] <conrad_> kovecses: for the tar ball there were too many dpendency issues
[10:11] <steve__> but i do the -l command and i see nothing
[10:11] <john_> the lo ip address is <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:11] <mcjerry> steve__ do you have gnome /
[10:11] <steve__> yep
[10:11] <hunger> UbuntuNewbie: DO BACKUPS! Then grap partitionmagic (that is better at resizing ntfs then the free tools).
[10:11] <conrad_> kovecses: are you there?
[10:12] <mcjerry> john_ did ifconfig output any other connections than lo?
[10:12] <mcjerry> steve__ System/Administration/Disks
[10:12] <john_> yes both eth0 and ath0
[10:12] <pashaw> steve__,   you use sudo  first?
[10:12] <ITSa341> <-- lost my XP installation using the included partition utility on the install cd   MAKE BACKUPS
[10:12] <john_> by the looks of it my eth0 is the one with the connection
[10:12] <Kovecses> conrad_, just got back whats up?
[10:12] <gerald-volt> how do I setup nautilus so that I only use the file browser, and not the entiere gnome X window thing?'
[10:12] <Epix> WahhH!!! I get a very bad error... "Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds. If you have not logged yourself out, thhis could mean that there is some install problem or you are out of diskspace"!!!
[10:12] <john_> but why cant I access the net when I select this one
[10:12] <steve__> whoops
[10:12] <mcjerry> john_ and what are the ips for eth0 and  ath0
[10:12] <steve__> all good now guys
[10:13] <conrad_> kovecses: back track the messages i wrote to you if you can, or shall i repeat it all?
[10:13] <john_> ath0 doesnt have one and eth0 has the ip address I assign it static
[10:13] <Kovecses> conrad_, all the dependencies you need are apt-getabble ... there is a list on the site
[10:13] <Kovecses> conrad_, but wait.. i even think there is a .deb?
[10:14] <UbuntuNewbie> Will the included partition utility kill the whole ntfs partition?
[10:14] <conrad_> kovecses: not all, there was a wxpython, which wasn'ty apt-get-able. couldn't find the .deb
[10:14] <crimsun> UbuntuNewbie: only if you tell it to
[10:14] <Seveas> UbuntuNewbie, only if you tell it to
[10:14] <Seveas> lol
[10:14] <mcjerry> john_ are you behind a router? are you sure static ip is correct wth correct gateway ip and dns server ips
[10:14] <crimsun> ^5 Seveas
[10:14] <Seveas> :)
[10:14] <john_> yes
[10:14] <Verwilst> hi
[10:14] <john_> yeah my networking is all fine
[10:14] <Epix> rebooting!
[10:14] <john_> I have an ip range
[10:14] <Verwilst> anybody here has a linux dualhead setup?
[10:15] <john_> of statics
[10:15] <john_> its all good
[10:15] <mcjerry> Steve__ you good to go?
[10:15] <UbuntuNewbie> Well what do I set the setting as?  "Manually edit partition table"  -- then what?
[10:15] <pashaw> Verwilst,   yes i use a quadro at home
[10:15] <john_> its just strange how when selecting eth0 i lose my net connection and when I select lo I get it back. What else is strange is how I cant access the network config dialog in gnome anymore
[10:15] <Kovecses> conrad_, http://tovid.berlios.de/en/install.html
[10:15] <john_> just nothing pops up when I click configure
[10:15] <john_> even after reboots
[10:16] <Seveas> UbuntuNewbie, then you select partitions and do things with it (resize, format, tell the installer to leave it alone)
[10:16] <Verwilst> pashaw: quadro? 4 screens??
[10:16] <pashaw> Verwilst,   im poor 2 screens  :P
[10:16] <Verwilst> pashaw: i would like to setup a dualscreen at work
[10:16] <mcjerry> john_ you got something wrong in your routing tables
[10:16] <Verwilst> but i don't know which card works fine under linux
[10:16] <conrad_> kovecses: thank you. i couldn't figure it out from berlios. So, i'll follow the link you've given. I'll let you know :)
[10:16] <john_> I have?
[10:16] <pashaw> Verwilst,   what card?
[10:16] <ara> i'
[10:16] <Verwilst> graphics card :)
[10:16] <john_> how do I fix that then?
[10:16] <pashaw> Verwilst,   yes
[10:17] <Seveas> with my ati card dualscreen is a breeze with fglrxconfig
[10:17] <Kovecses> conrad_, add the repos it shows and you will be golden
[10:17] <AIV> does someone know of a list that details what boards are supported by ubuntu?
[10:17] <alan__> can anyone help me with advice on how to get ubuntu to see a second harddrive that i just plugged in
[10:17] <AIV> a hardware list?
[10:17] <Verwilst> Seveas: which one?
[10:17] <mcjerry> john_ if you deactivate eth0 can you still access the internet with lo?
[10:17] <john_> I know everything is fine cos the IP address I assigned works fine, I can ping all my local network machines and access the net
[10:17] <Seveas> AIV, a partial list is on the wiki under HardwareSupport
[10:17] <ara> i'm trying to run a command on the terminal windows but it says"permission denied" what's wrong?
[10:17] <Seveas> Verwilst, mobility 9000/9600
[10:17] <john_> I cant deactivate it as the configure screen wont opn
[10:17] <conrad_> kovecses: i did add the repos but apt-get didn't like 'em
[10:17] <john_> open
[10:17] <Verwilst> oh, a laptop
[10:17] <Epix> fuck. this error isnt going away.
[10:17] <calamari> alan__: what kind of hd.. and did you reboot ?
[10:18] <ITSa341> ara  use sudo  you need root permissions for the script you are trying
[10:18] <UbuntuNewbie> So for example...the bootable ntfs partition...do I just resize it to 180 GB first, then do I format 20 GB of that for Ubuntu?
[10:18] <john_> unless u can tell me the command and Ill do it from terminal
[10:18] <conrad_> kovecses: i've been to the link you've given before, but don't know where to go from there
[10:18] <Florob> epix: is this dapper or breezy?
[10:18] <Epix> Florob: breezy
[10:18] <mcjerry> john_ you only have one ip address assigned to eth0 correct.....try opening network with sudo or root
[10:18] <john_> correct
[10:18] <dabaR> !seen bob2
[10:18] <alan__> its an internal 60 gig hd  it has ubuntu installed on it (trying to recover the files onto my hd)
[10:18] <ubotu> bob2<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 13d 15h 11m 24s ago, saying: 'cooper's heritage is the perfect * beer'.
[10:18] <conrad_> kovecses: tried and failed the repository route, the tar ball looks too daunting
[10:18] <AIV> Seveas, How do I get to that list?
[10:18] <ara> what's sudo?
[10:18] <AIV> I will google
[10:18] <john_> how does one do that?
[10:18] <pashaw> UbuntuNewbie,   dont touch your main partiton resize your extra one
[10:18] <alan__> yes i rebooted
[10:18] <Florob> epix: did iti work before whatever you did and what did you do?
[10:18] <conrad_> kovecses:  a simple .deb file would be nice
[10:18] <ITSa341> super user for one command only unlike logging in as root
[10:19] <Seveas> !tell ara about root
[10:19] <calamari> alan__: ok.. what do you get with: ls /dev/hd*
[10:19] <ara> i'm pretty new to linux, it's my first day
[10:19] <Kovecses> conrad_, what was the errors when you tried the repo?
[10:19] <Epix> Florob: it worked before, and i installed quake3 then rebooted.
[10:19] <alan__> i want to reinstall kbuntu on the second drive.. but i plugged it in to my computer so i can drag the music files off it
[10:19] <ITSa341> ara   well, enjoy it and keep learning
[10:20] <conrad_> kovecses: geez, i don't remember. but an error message came back for sure when i went into synaptic
[10:20] <gerald-volt> how do I get openoffice to display my hp printer?
[10:20] <ITSa341> you came to the right place for help....that's why I am here, I find the help I need here
[10:20] <hunger> ara Don't get discouraged! It is not as hard as it might look when people are shouting strange things at you in response to your questions;-)
[10:20] <UbuntuNewbie> Me thinks I need partition Magic.....this is too easy to screw up badly!
[10:20] <Kovecses> conrad_, http://packages.kirya.net/   .... this site has the deb.... but it wont solve dependencies
[10:20] <conrad_> kovecses: did you find that you had no problem adding the repo?
[10:20] <alan__> /dev/hda   /dev/hda2  /dev/hdb   /dev/hdb2  /dev/hdc
[10:20] <alan__> /dev/hda1  /dev/hda5  /dev/hdb1  /dev/hdb5  /dev/hdd
[10:20] <Kovecses> conrad_, let me try
[10:20] <ITSa341> I've been using ubuntu for about a week now
[10:20] <pashaw> UbuntuNewbie,  i agree    use anything that makes you more comforatable
[10:20] <UbuntuNewbie> I was just trying to save some $$$
[10:20] <Florob> epix: that's strange, does quake 3 install itself over the whole system, or just in one's home directory, because if it installs itself "everywhere" it might be possilbe that it replaced a file of the xserver with a incompatible file from itself
[10:20] <dabaR> alan__: and?
[10:21] <alan__> im trying to figure out which one of those is the 10 gig drive i just attached
[10:21] <mcjerry> john_ sudo network-admin
[10:21] <Epix> Florob: it was in /usr/local/games
[10:21] <BlackEntity> Hello, I was wondering if anyone knows workarounds to the absence of DMA in 64 bit Linux? (as many distros I try, as many kernel recompiles I do I cannot seem to get over this)
[10:21] <alan__> and how to access it
[10:21] <calamari> alan__: ahh.. type mount
[10:21] <john_> ok
[10:21] <Kovecses> conrad_, the repos worked for me bud
[10:22] <conrad_> kovecses: i was at the kirya website exactly
[10:22] <hunger> alan__: Try fdisk -l /dev/hda. That pints the partition table of the drive.
[10:22] <dabaR> alan__: it is likely the hdb(whole drive) has 3 partitions, and use "sudo fdisk -l" to find out more. and paste to paste.ubuntu-nl.org, not here.
[10:22] <john_> sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()
[10:22] <john_> ?
[10:22] <BlackEntity> Only useable Linux I had working on this laptop was 32 bit distros and I get a skewed clock on thoose.
[10:22] <conrad_> kovecses: ?? you just added them at the bottom of your sources.list ?
[10:22] <conrad_> kovecses: copied and pasted?
[10:22] <alan__> tx
[10:22] <koro> olarilole: i just read what you said about keyboard
[10:22] <Epix> Florob: the error is unable to read the ICE aithority file: /home.../.ICEauthority
[10:23] <koro> olarilole: but mine is not a problem in X, it's in console
[10:23] <Kovecses> conrad_, do you see the .deb on the page??????
[10:23] <john_> Anybody here running Dapper?
[10:23] <crimsun> john_: yes
[10:23] <hunger> john_: Yes.
[10:23] <mcjerry> john_ Dapper here
[10:23] <dabaR> no
[10:23] <alan__> Disk /dev/hda: 10.2 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>2 bytes
[10:23] <alan__>    thank you
[10:23] <john_> crimsun, I heard that the networking was better for accessing windows shares,is it true?
[10:24] <crimsun> john_: no idea, I use AFS
[10:24] <ITSa341> Anyone here ever try to get 3d acceleration working with an ATI Radeon Mobility IGP320??
[10:24] <dabaR> john_: through samba?
[10:24] <hunger> john_: No idea, I use fish:-)
[10:24] <dabaR> john_: I mean, smbfs...
[10:24] <john_> yeah
[10:24] <HIghoS> john_: Can't really tell if you if it's better, didn't use it that much when I was using Hoary and Breezy, but I have no problems now in dapper.
[10:24] <Florob> epix: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1583 has a solution to that problem
[10:24] <dabaR> john_: why do you need it to be better, is it not working good for you?
[10:24] <visik7> ITSa341: it's not support by ati propetary driver
[10:24] <conrad_> kovecses: are there a host of 'em. all with i386?
[10:24] <pashaw> john_,   i wouldnt believe it  unless brezzy has a bug   smb has been around too long