[00:49] <lamalex> Is there a simple way find what packages depend on package foo?
[00:51] <mathiaz> lamalex: apt-cache rdepends package-name
[00:51] <ari-tczew> apt-cache rdepends foo
[01:00] <lfaraone_> ScottK: would it be too late to upload calibre 0.6.17 to karmic, if I were to prepare a debdiff? (0.6.17 fixes  numerous bugs present since 0.6.13)
[02:13] <rmjb> hello? anyone here?
[02:24] <rmjb> I want to fix a bug in a package for karmic
[02:34] <lamalex> rmjb: great, go for it
[02:34] <rmjb> my question is on the SRU
[02:34] <rmjb> thanks for the response lamalex
[02:34] <lamalex> anytime
[02:35] <rmjb> it's this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/backintime/+bug/409130
[02:35] <rmjb> there's already a fix and branch linked, how do I get that into the karmic package?
[03:07] <theholyduck> would it be possible to get the opencore-amr codecs added to backports for various ubuntu versions? (jaunty mainly). or is this totally the wrong channel for asking this?
[03:09] <theholyduck> i guess i could just get the debs and install them and hope nothing breaks, but some official solution would be better
[04:02] <_Andrew> In the .install file is there a way to prevent files from being installed in a package?
[04:03] <_Andrew> Maybe something like "usr/include/*\n ^usr/include/*NOTWANTED"  ??
[04:04] <_Andrew> So it wouldn't include any files with the name blahblahNOTWANTED ?
[04:30] <Teddy_> Hi there.  My package needs updating from Debian testing.  This is the right place, right?
[04:33] <Teddy_> The package's name is "mandos", and Ubuntu has version 1.0.11, and Debian testing has had 1.0.12 for a while now, which fixes several bugs.
[04:42] <philwyett> Teddy_, See the email just posted by ScottK @ https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-October/000634.html
[04:45] <Teddy_> philwyett: Hmm, that seems to say that the deadline has *not* been passed.
[04:47] <philwyett> Teddy_, Indeed. You can always subscribe to the motu list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu) and ask how to get your update pulled.
[04:48] <Teddy_> philwyett: I was hoping to avoid subscribing to yet another mailing list and just ask here instead...
[04:49] <philwyett> Teddy_, Wait for ScottK to appear and he will most likely be able to help you out.
[04:49] <Teddy_> philwyett: Sounds like a plan.
[04:49] <philwyett> lol
[04:52] <philwyett> Teddy_, Just to ask being that it is only a minor revision number bump, it is only a bug fix release with no new features and API changes?
[04:53] <Teddy_> philwyett: Yes, that is correct.  1.0.11 -> 1.0.12
[04:54] <philwyett> Teddy_, Cool, I can see no reason for it not to be pulled. :-)
[04:54] <Teddy_> philwyett: Me neither; I expected it to be done semi-automatically, but the date keeps creeping closer and I'm getting worried.
[04:55] <philwyett> Teddy_, merge-o-matic does pull automatically up to a certain time before release. It's last run was early Sept.
[04:57] <Teddy_> philwyett: I see that the package entered Debian testing on Oct 1.  I though it was less recent than that.  Oh well, "missed it by *that* much".
[04:59] <philwyett> Teddy_, Seems so. I only know the last run as I am subscribed to way too many lists. ;-)
[05:00] <philwyett> Teddy_, To learn about motu, you can read all about it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[05:04] <philwyett> Teddy_, This section will be of particular interest https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[05:05] <Teddy_> philwyett: Oo, looks interesting
[05:08] <fabrice_sp> Teddy_, if it's a bug fixing only, and the package compile/install/run in Ubuntu, it's still possible to have it in KArmic
[05:10] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: Yes, so I've come to understand.  But the question still remains: How do I get the package to actually update/sync?
[05:10] <fabrice_sp> !sync
[05:10] <fabrice_sp> :-/
[05:10] <fabrice_sp> you can use requestsync in Ubuntu
[05:11] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: Well, I don't actually *run* Ubuntu...
[05:11] <fabrice_sp> oh
[05:11] <fabrice_sp> you should :-D
[05:11] <fabrice_sp> what is the package name?
[05:11] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: I'm happy with Debian.
[05:11] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: The package is "mandos".
[05:12] <fabrice_sp> ok: I'll test build it, and if it works, I'll send it
[05:12] <wrapster> if i have a pkg built only for 32bit.. how do i compile it for 64 as well? eg : libtspi-dev
[05:12] <wrapster> where should i be looking and for what?
[05:12] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: Oh wow, that would be great!
[05:13] <fabrice_sp> is there an upstream changelog somewhere? (just to check that it's a bug fixing only release)
[05:13] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: Hmm, w8
[05:14] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: You'll have to use the VC browser: http://bzr.fukt.bsnet.se/loggerhead/mandos/release/changes
[05:16] <fabrice_sp> Teddy_, ok. I'll have a look, and in the meantime, I will testbuild/install it
[05:18] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: Thanks a lot!
[05:18] <wrapster> guys can anyone help me?
[05:19] <fabrice_sp> Teddy_, thanks to contribute with this app and Debian packaging :-)
[05:19] <fabrice_sp> wrapster, where are you compiling it?
[05:20] <BlueT_> #302330 the xmail bug in Hardy exist for a long time, and there's somebody have a patch with it
[05:21] <BlueT_> anyone can help to apply/commit it? :)
[05:21] <fabrice_sp> bug #302330
[05:22] <wrapster> fabrice_sp: on ubuntu 64
[05:22] <fabrice_sp> Teddy_, the installation is ok, but it fails to run in a chroot, with a python exception on dbus. Is it a known issue?
[05:23] <fabrice_sp> BlueT_, subscribe Ubuntu Sponsors for Universe to the bug report, and put a debdiff
[05:23] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: Well, the mandos server needs an avahi daemon running, which in turn need a d-bus daemon.  I guess that could be it?
[05:24] <fabrice_sp> wrapster, so do I. How do you compile it? With a pbuilder?
[05:25] <BlueT_> fabrice_sp: i know that's the best way and I'd really like to do so for a long time :)
[05:25] <BlueT_> fabrice_sp: but before that...
[05:25] <wrapster> fabrice_sp: no
[05:25] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: D-Bus communicates over a Unix domain socket, which probably is not connected inside the chroot.
[05:25] <fabrice_sp> Teddy_, yes: I get a connection refused to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket
[05:26] <wrapster> im very new to this .. so ,so far what i've been doing is to download the source.. do necessary modifications...(to suit my requirements) then build it...
[05:26] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: You need a D-Bus daemon (and an Avahi daemon) running inside the chroot then.
[05:26] <fabrice_sp> wrapster, then, how are you building it?
[05:26] <wrapster> but as an example ,i want libtspi-dev in 64 but not availbale.. so would like to compile for it.
[05:26] <fabrice_sp> Teddy_, shouldn't that be pulled by dependencies?
[05:27] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: They should be, and they are, as far as I know.
[05:27] <fabrice_sp> wrapster, install a pbuilder, in amd64 flavor, and you will be able to compile it, if you have Ubuntu running  the amd64 flavor
[05:27] <fabrice_sp> Teddy_, could be a problem of using a chroot. I'll try in a VM
[05:28] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: Yeah, that should work fine
[05:28] <mzz> wrapster: it's probably possible to do something screwy with bindmounts to get the system's bus socket to show up inside the chroot (doing that instead of running a second chrooted system bus may or may not make sense)
[05:29] <mzz> wrapster: (specifically: a second bus is a nonissue, but if that seconds bus starts a second networkmanager confusing stuff might happen)
[05:29] <wrapster> oh
[05:29] <mzz> err, do I have the wrong nick?
[05:29] <fabrice_sp> BlueT_, so, what are you expecting? :-D
[05:30] <fabrice_sp> mzz, I think it was for Teddy_  :-)
[05:30] <mzz> thanks
[05:30] <mzz> well, see above
[05:30] <fabrice_sp> and for myself (as user :-) )
[05:30] <wrapster> mzz: / fabrice_sp: im just starting off without understanding the issues ... so could you point out to any resource online that i can use to learn the nitty gritty issues of compiling for 64B
[05:31] <mzz> wrapster: are you doing your compiling on a 64 bit system? :)
[05:31] <wrapster> mzz: yeah
[05:31] <wrapster> i think i know that much at leat :D
[05:31] <mzz> wrapster: if you don't actually have a 64bit system it might be easiest to just use a ppa
[05:31] <fabrice_sp> !pbuilder
[05:31] <fabrice_sp> wrapster, ^
[05:31] <mzz> wrapster: otherwise I'm a fan of sbuild's lvm support, which is a bit slow but very thorough
[05:31] <mzz> also, that
[05:32] <BlueT_> fabrice_sp: dunno how much time it would take for the MOTU application, and would like the patch to be applied if there's anyone can do so before me :p
[05:32] <fabrice_sp> it rocks with apt-cacher-ng! :-)
[05:32] <fabrice_sp> BlueT_, sponsorship is different than MOTU application
[05:33] <fabrice_sp> sponsorship is when you you get a debdiff or a patch uploaded by a MOTU
[05:34] <fabrice_sp> you have to get 'some' pathees/debdiff sponsored before being able to apply fo MOTUship
[05:34] <Teddy_> mzz: When is it important to be able to run in a chroot?  My application just uses the Avahi libraries; should it be my responsibility to know that it's using D-Bus and provide some workaround for running chroot:ed?
[05:34] <fabrice_sp> Teddy_, I would say no
[05:34] <mzz> Teddy_: I wouldn't bother doing anything special unless you know many of your users are going to run it chrooted for some reason
[05:34] <fabrice_sp> that's why I have a VM (not updated since a long time, btw)
[05:35] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: OK, that's good then.
[05:35] <Teddy_> mzz: No, there's no particular reason.
[05:35] <fabrice_sp> yes: I'm updating it (192 Mb to download)
[05:36] <mzz> Teddy_: especially because frequently you simply *cannot* offer a sane chroot-specific mode
[05:36] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: I thought I *had* an Ubuntu image for QEMU, but it seems to have gotten corrupted somehow.  I'm downloading installation media now to recreate it.
[05:36] <fabrice_sp> Teddy_, ok. It seems updating my vm will take 15 min :-/
[05:37] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: 24 min left to download the DVD here...
[05:37] <fabrice_sp> DVD?!
[05:37] <mzz> meh, dvds
[05:37] <fabrice_sp> you could have downloaded only the CD :-)
[05:37] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: That's what was there for karmic beta
[05:37] <fabrice_sp> and no CD? Strange
[05:37] <mzz> then you found a weird download link
[05:37] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/beta/
[05:38] <mzz> yeah, don't use that, use the regular mirrors
[05:38] <mzz> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/ for example
[05:38] <Teddy_> mzz: Thanks!
[05:39] <mzz> well, might as well use the dvd if you've already grabbed most of it, I'm assuming it'll work
[05:39] <Teddy_> mzz: No, only got about 25%
[05:40] <Teddy_> mzz: 5 min remaining on CD download...
[05:40] <mzz> heh
[05:40] <fabrice_sp> BlueT_, the patch has not been seen because it's attached to a duplicate... And u-u-s has not been subscribed
[05:41] <fabrice_sp> still 8 minutes to update my vm
[05:41] <fabrice_sp> mandos is very qucik to compile, so it should quick after :-)
[05:41] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: It'll take ages for me to install a new OS so I think you'll beat me.  :)
[05:42] <fabrice_sp> I think so :-D
[05:42] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: Yeah, the C programs are small and the server is in Python, so yeah, quick to compile. :)
[05:43] <MTecknology> When using xdm in Ubuntu, the logo used is Debian. It makes people think I'm using Debian and not Ubuntu. If I submitted a fix for it, would it be able to be in the repos or could there be issues in that?
[05:59] <BlueT_> fabrice_sp: trying to figure what should I do now
[06:00] <fabrice_sp> BlueT_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[06:01] <fabrice_sp> Preparing new revisions part
[06:01] <BlueT_> fabrice_sp: checking
[06:13]  * fabrice_sp is still updating his Karmic VM :-/
[06:14]  * Teddy_ is still installing a new Karmic :)
[06:14] <fabrice_sp> lol
[06:14] <Teddy_> ..In a QEMU.
[06:15] <fabrice_sp> I'm using Virtualbox for virtualization
[06:16]  * hyperair updates his karmic installation which isn't in a VM :)
[06:16] <maco> hyperair: may i PM?
[06:16] <hyperair> go ahead
[06:17] <hyperair> but i have to go soon so make it quick
[06:39] <BlueT_> KVM's nice
[07:08] <fabrice_sp> Teddy_, it installs fine in a VM. I'll request & ack the sync request
[07:09] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: Wonderful.
[07:09] <Teddy_> fabrice_sp: Thanks a lot!
[07:10] <fabrice_sp> yw ;-)
[07:23] <dholbach> good morning
[07:47] <_Andrew> Anyone know why "dh_install ... -XCEGUI" includes CEGUI files in my package?
[08:13] <highvoltage> morning jono!
[08:13] <jono> hey highvoltage :)
[08:34] <goshawk> hi
[08:35] <goshawk> is anyone using karmic with 2.6.31-14 official kernel? well, it gives me kernel panic cuz it's unable to mount rootfs (ext4) 2.6.31-11 works.
[08:37] <mzz> goshawk: seems to work for me
[08:37] <mzz> goshawk: (my root is ext4 in lvm on ide)
[08:37] <goshawk> mzz: exactly the same here
[08:38] <goshawk> but i've just installed karmic and did the update.. i should investigate more
[08:51] <mzz> goshawk: actually that sounds as if it's not mounting the initrd
[08:52] <goshawk> uhm... i can force a initramfs rebuild
[08:52] <mzz> goshawk: do you have enough output when it panics to tell if the initramfs mounted?
[08:52] <goshawk> no
[08:52] <mzz> if for whatever grub isn't feeding it that it won't boot at all if you're using lvm
[08:52] <goshawk> i just see that line
[08:53] <goshawk> i think initramfs is not mounted
[08:53] <goshawk> cuz i don't see the usplash logo too
[08:53] <goshawk> (which is in initramfs
[08:53] <mzz> I'd boot off something bootable and doublecheck the initrd is in the right place and /boot/grub/grub.cfg makes sense
[08:53] <goshawk> i'm on 2.6.31-11 now, which works
[08:53] <mzz> that's weird, unless you're missing the initrd for 14 or grub.cfg is borked
[08:54] <goshawk> running update-initramfs -k all -c
[08:54] <mzz> (your symptoms sound exactly right for grub trying to boot without feeding the kernel a working initrd)
[08:54] <goshawk> yep
[08:54] <goshawk> so i'm rebooting
[08:54] <goshawk> and see what wil happen
[09:08] <goshawk> mzz: solved
[09:08] <goshawk> it works now
[09:08] <mzz> hmm, odd. Wonder how it broke
[09:09] <goshawk> me too
[09:09] <goshawk> hope i'm a odd case
[09:09] <goshawk> time to go for me
[09:09] <goshawk> see you
[10:51] <joaopinto> hello
[10:51] <joaopinto> how do we request a package removal ?
[10:54] <sistpoty|work> joaopinto: file a bug specifying which package and why it should get removed and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[10:55] <geser> check rdepends, check rbuilddepends, file a bug with any info you find (like no r(build)depends, debian removal bugs) and apply the usual sponsoring (if needed)
[10:55] <joaopinto> ok, gave up on grnotify
[11:01] <joaopinto> does it make sense to mark all the "package is broken" bugs as duplicates from the removal request ?
[11:01] <Laney> joaopinto: no
[11:02] <Laney> there's no point tracking bugs on a removed package
[11:02] <Laney> except maybe for sru
[11:02] <joaopinto> Laney, so what will happen to the open bugs ?
[11:02] <Laney> they'll stay
[11:02] <joaopinto> and what's the point of keeping bugs for a package which is no longer on the archive ?
[11:03] <Laney> history
[11:03] <Laney> srus
[11:03] <Laney> if it's ever reintroduced
[11:04] <joaopinto> that may represent introducing infite bugs, aren't closed bugs ketps for history already ?
[11:04] <joaopinto> also it gives the bug reporter some expectation that someone will work on the bug, which is not the case
[11:05] <geser> joaopinto: just because you remove the package from the archive, it doesn't automatically disappear from the users systems so it might be good for them to still see the unfixed bugs
[11:06] <joaopinto> geser, the app does not work, and never worked
[11:06] <joaopinto> actually on karmic is not even installable
[11:06] <Laney> there's no reason we could not SRU a removed package
[11:06] <geser> joaopinto: did it work in jaunty? or was it broken there too?
[11:07] <joaopinto> geser, yes, at least from my test in a chroot
[11:07] <joaopinto> it was a bad revu package
[11:07] <joaopinto> ubuntu only
[11:08] <Laney> you know
[11:09] <Laney> this might be good for a revu case study
[11:09] <joaopinto> anyway, enough effort about a broken package, removal request filled, done
[11:09] <Laney> how did such a broken package get in?
[11:09] <Laney> and why did the packager not take care of it?
[11:10] <sistpoty|work> in this case the package==upstream iirc
[11:11] <sistpoty|work> which is even more interesting
[11:11] <joaopinto> and why did it get in, when there are other packages sitting, like mine, pending due to an unclear license, from the review perspective :P
[11:50] <walterl> hi
[11:50] <walterl> is there a way to update only a specific repository?
[11:55] <sistpoty|work> walterl: only add that to sources.list? (that might of course hold back a lot of packages, or force removals of packages not in this repository depending on apt's resolver)
[11:56] <walterl> sistpoty|work: in my case i only want to update packages from a ppa. wouldn't removing the other sources cause the rest of the packages to "disappear"?
[11:56] <sistpoty|work> walterl: it would mean that apt doesn't have an idea about them, not that these will get removed on your system
[11:57] <walterl> sistpoty|work: k. so there's no way to tell update to ignore repo's?
[11:59] <sistpoty|work> walterl: not too sure actually. if it's a different release name, I guess you could use -t as apt-get parameter (however ppa's share the same release name as the distro)
[11:59] <sistpoty|work> walterl: maybe apt pinning can do what you want, however I don't have too much clue about that
[12:00]  * walterl googles
[13:12] <benste> Hi, I'm about to go through the Packaging guide linked on your motu site and noticed that e.g debhelper version has been changed - willsomeone correct this locked wiki pack to e.g. use compat with 7 ?
[13:15] <benste> and the hello source version has been change from 2.1.1 to 2.5
[13:15] <benste> sorry 2.4
[13:18] <benste> and I'm having problems locating postinst and prerm in the original source directory - may so give me an advise ?
[13:19] <av`> benste, postinst and prerm shouldnt be located into the original source
[13:19] <av`> they care called maintainer scripts
[13:20] <av`> * are
[13:20] <av`> plus I don't think you need them for 'hello' example
[13:28] <benste> av`: I just came across them cause there are mentioned in the guide that they should be in the source which I copyied from archive.ubunt
[13:29] <av`> benste, orig source contains upstream files only
[13:29] <av`> benste, and debian/ dir contains maintainer scripts
[13:30] <av`> if you did a dh_make all maintainer scripts got created
[13:30] <av`> it's now up to you to keep the ones you need and remove the one you don't need
[13:30] <benste> :-) now I now what you wanted to say me:-) - could you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic#postinst%20and%20prerm
[13:31] <benste> av`: in my selfmade /debian dir - maintainer scripts - I already have those
[13:31] <benste> but now I should copy pre and post files but they don't exist
[13:31] <av`> benste, maybe they got removed
[13:31] <benste> possibly, so I can skip them?
[13:31] <benste> - who'll update the wiki page ?
[13:32] <av`> benste, to know that you should have a look at changelog
[13:32] <joaopinto> benste, the documents does not refer to a prristine source dir, it refers to a debian source, which is the original source + building diff
[13:32] <av`> you should see if those files are mentioned and if yes why
[13:33] <benste> joaopinto: what's prristine ?
[13:33] <av`> benste,  * Removed prerm and postinst, as info files are missing now.
[13:33] <av`> benste, they got removed, the info file is no more there, then you can skip them
[13:33] <joaopinto> hum, maybe I was reading it wrong :P
[13:34] <geser> benste: pristine (in this context) = unmodified; as you can download it from the upstream webpage
[13:34] <benste> av`: so may someone be so kind to correct the guide for newbees like me ?
[13:34] <benste> geser: joaopinto - thanks
[13:34] <joaopinto> benste, still, it was refering to copy from a debian source, not from a source
[13:35] <joaopinto> there is no debian/* on a source tarball :)
[13:35] <av`> benste, I dunno who has the rights to change it :)
[13:35] <av`> benste, and that page looks a bit outdated, yes
[13:35] <benste> joaopinto: there is a hello_2.4-debhelper
[13:35] <benste> dir in it which has maintainer scripts
[13:35] <av`> joaopinto, depends
[13:35] <joaopinto> erm, except native packages
[13:35] <av`> joaopinto, upstream may want to include it
[13:35] <joaopinto> which are not usuaul cases
[13:36] <av`> which is way to bad
[13:36] <joaopinto> av`, that is a bad thing to do :P
[13:36] <av`> yep^^
[13:36] <av`> but it happens
[13:36] <benste> so usually it should have the -debhelper dir ?
[13:36] <av`> no
[13:37] <benste> sorry I forogt the not :-)
[13:37] <av`> usually should have nothing debian-related
[13:37] <av`> you should add debian-related stuff in it
[13:37] <av`> it = source tree
[13:37] <benste> to the original source, but also to the one I got through APT ?
[13:37] <joaopinto> benste, hello-debhelper_2.2.orig.tar.gz does not contain debian/*
[13:38] <av`> benste, if you do apt-get source foo
[13:38] <joaopinto> benste, you are looking into a debian source, which is the orig source withe the building diff applied
[13:38] <av`> benste, it will contain debian dir in it, yes
[13:38] <av`> benste, apt-get source downloads orig and applies the diff.gz
[13:38] <benste> av`: thanks
[13:38] <av`> np :)
[13:41] <benste> where will debuild -S look for my PGP key ?
[13:42] <joaopinto> benste, have you set DEBEMAIL ?
[13:42] <av`> benste, it will verify if your secret key is available
[13:42] <joaopinto> it will use the standard gpg sign
[13:43] <benste> joaopinto: I've set it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:43] <av`> benste, if it fails either set a correct email with DEBEMAIL or use -kKEYID
[13:43] <joaopinto> benste, and did you create the GPG key for it ?
[13:43] <av`> benste, try debuild -S -kYOURKEYIDHERE
[13:43] <walterl> sistpoty|work: thanks for your help :)
[13:43] <benste> joaopinto: I've got a pgpkey for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which includes some sub keys with the +
[13:43] <benste> including a motu one
[13:43] <joaopinto> ok
[13:44] <benste> possibly it can't find my gpg key cause of the sub key ?
[13:44] <benste> I#ll try to search my key from CLI with gpg - usually I use seahorse
[13:45] <av`> benste, yeah, maybe it's unable to use your subkey, I don't know, alwais worked for me as main key
[13:46] <av`> benste, otherwise use the -kKEYID option and you are done
[13:46] <joaopinto> benste, does the email address shows at gpg --list-secret-keys ?
[13:47] <benste> joaopinto: yes it does, including the right commend and name
[13:48] <benste> av`: 91E4A5BE is key id ?
[13:51] <benste> av`: Enter passphrase: gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session - does this encounter any problems - with keyid it woun't accept my right passphrase
[13:52] <benste> strange 5th try - accepted :-)
[13:55] <benste> av`: - next question I'll read the whole paragraph before asking :-)
[14:08] <jbernard> can someone give me advise about Bug #449349 ? is it right to request a sync at this stage in the release cycle?
[14:15] <joaopinto> jbernard, I would decided that based on what was changed on the debian version
[14:16] <joaopinto> if there are non trivial changes, a specific bug fix patch would be safer
[14:24] <benste> what's wrong with the first paragraph of the following changelog? - http://paste.ubuntu.com/294695/
[14:24] <benste> debuild -S woun't work cause of this
[14:27] <Hobbsee> benste: the fact that it's not built for an ubuntu release?
[14:27] <Hobbsee> (ie, unstable --> karmic)
[14:27] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming, anyway, without the error
[14:33] <benste> Hobbsee: but it worked using unstable with only the lower one
[14:34] <benste> Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/294706/
[14:34] <benste> still not working
[14:36] <sistpoty|work> benste: looks like your trailer line is badly formatted? (try dch -i and check the difference between the generated trailer line and yours)
[14:39] <benste> sistpoty|work: I added the upper paragraph so I know the dif - am I allowed to change the changelog manually with nano ?
[14:40] <sistpoty|work> benste: sure, if you're careful
[14:41] <benste> sistpoty|work: I guess I wasn't - I wanted to add a new entry in the exact formatting, with only one point
[14:41] <benste> looks like it didn't work
[14:41] <benste> sistpoty|work: - I changed the revision number, does this take an effect ?P
[14:42] <sistpoty|work> benste: yes, it will change the version.
[14:44] <benste> checked again and looks like ; was missing in header - now working
[14:45] <benste> sistpoty|work: do you know who I can solve this error "Enter passphrase: gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session" so that I can use debuild without -kKEYID ?
[14:46] <sistpoty|work> benste: you can set DEBSIGN_KEYID in your ~/.devscripts.conf (or /etc/devscripts.conf)
[14:46] <benste> sistpoty|work: not in .bashrc ?
[14:47] <sistpoty|work> benste: it's not an environment variable, but rather a config option of devscripts
[14:49] <benste> can't I simply import my gpg private key or set seahorse as keyring in # A colon separated list of extra keyrings to read.
[14:49] <benste> # DSCVERIFY_KEYRINGS=""
[14:49] <benste> sistpoty|work:
[14:59] <sistpoty|work> benste: why would you want to do this?
[15:04] <benste1> sistpoty|work: for not entering the keys the whole time and auto signing with the key mentioned in the feils ?
[15:04] <benste1> files
[15:04] <sistpoty|work> benste1: how about using a gpg-agent?
[15:05] <benste1> I'm using seahorse, but it looks like there is a problem between seahorse and gpg which ned up not finding my private key
[15:05] <benste1> - but strangely it's listed with gpg --list-private-keys
[15:05] <benste1> or similar
[15:09] <sistpoty|work> benste1: but it does work with -k<keyid>?
[15:09] <sistpoty|work> (using debisgn, i.e)
[15:10] <benste1> sistpoty|work: with -k it works fine
[15:10] <benste1> - with debuild - guess it's the parent app isn't it ?
[15:10] <sistpoty|work> benste1: then you can just set DEBSIGN_KEYID
[15:11] <benste1> and if I want to sign with anotehr key ?
[15:11] <benste1> sistpoty|work: I'll set up your solution looks like it's the easiest atm
[15:12] <sistpoty|work> benste1: I'm not too sure, but I guess that -k<anotherkeyid> will override it then
[15:12] <benste1> simply adding at the first line of /etc/devscripts.cond
[15:12] <benste1> f
[15:12] <benste1> ?
[15:13] <sistpoty|work> benste1: no you have to place it exactly at line 42 :P
[15:13] <sistpoty|work> (just kidding)
[15:14] <benste1> :-)
[15:19] <benste1> sistpoty|work: looks like it worked, strange thing is that I still didn't get a .deb using pbuilder too
[15:19] <benste1> but I'll go on the Guide first , so maybe at the end .. - thanks for helping
[15:19] <av`> benste1, check /var/cache/pbuilder/result
[15:21] <benste1> av`: lol my first deb - why wasn't it copied to the curent dir when building it ?
[15:21] <av`> benste1, cause pbuilder uses that dir as default
[15:22] <av`> benste1, if you give a dpkg-buildpackage you'll find it on the current dir
[15:23] <benste1> av`:  but than it's build withouht fakeroot , on the installed system ?
[15:24] <benste1> strange - there is only rev 1 and not 2
[15:29] <av`> benste1, it's built with fakeroot on installed system as well
[15:29] <av`> if not some targets on debian/rules would fail
[15:30] <av`> benste1, dh_testroot tests if you are running it as fakeroot
[15:30] <av`> if not fails
[16:23] <sistpoty|work> bdrung: imho eclipse failed on the buildds, because only i386 builds the arch:all package
[16:25] <bdrung> sistpoty|work: that's a good point. thx
[16:25] <sistpoty|work> bdrung: I'm not too sure about the actual debian/rules invocation on the buildds, but I think it's binary-arch for non-i386, so common-install-indep might not be executed (?)
[16:27] <geser> it's binary on the i386 and binary-arch on all others (see a build log of your choice)
[16:31] <sistpoty|work> thanks geser
[16:52] <c_korn> eh, if libpurple-dev depends on libpurple0 (>= ${source:Version}) lintian claims: E: pidgin source: weak-library-dev-dependency libpurple-dev on libpurple0 (>= ${source:Version}) ; but if it depends on libpurple0 (= ${source:Version}) lintian __additionally_ claims: E: pidgin source: not-binnmuable-all-depends-any libpurple-dev -> libpurple0
[16:57] <sistpoty|work> c_korn: is libpurple-dev or libpurple0 arch:all?
[16:59] <c_korn> sistpoty|work: libpurple-dev is arch:all
[16:59] <sistpoty|work> c_korn: it should be arch:any, I guess (static library in there?)
[17:00] <sistpoty|work> c_korn: otherwise you'd need binary:Version instead of source:Version
[17:00] <sistpoty|work> (though we don't really have binNMU's here... yet)
[17:02] <c_korn> sistpoty|work: eh, you are right. http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/all/libpurple-dev/filelist it has a shared library in it but it is arch:all. this is a bug
[17:03]  * c_korn wonders it has not been detected all these years
[17:03] <joaopinto> libpurple is not that old :P
[17:04] <sistpoty|work> c_korn: I guess that's just the symlink, so it could in theory be arch:all
[17:04] <geser> c_korn: the .so are pretty sure just symlinks to the real lib
[17:04] <sistpoty|work> c_korn: makes me wonder though, why there isn't a static library
[17:05] <geser> why should there? static linking is not really liked
[17:07] <sistpoty|work> it can be useful from time to time, so why deprive users of this ability?
[17:07] <joaopinto> geser, that's not a general purpose "dislike"
[17:08] <c_korn> geser: you are right. they are just symlinks
[17:09] <sistpoty|work> (and the library packaging guide still mentions it, however the guide also still mentions libtool files, which shouldn't be in there any longer)
[17:10] <geser> even libpurple-dev in lenny has no .a file
[17:11] <sistpoty|work> hm, maybe the upstream build system only builds a shared library?
[17:12] <sistpoty|work> anyway it's not like the world ends if there's no static library, it's just a nice to have
[17:12] <ScottK> sistpoty|work: Actually Debian is pushing to have them removed.
[17:12] <sistpoty|work> ScottK: oh? hm... :(
[17:13] <ScottK> There was a thread on debian-devel about it.
[17:21] <c_korn> with libpurple0 (>= ${binary:Version}) the error is: E: pidgin source: weak-library-dev-dependency libpurple-dev on libpurple0 (>= ${binary:Version})
[17:22] <c_korn> with libpurple0 (= ${binary:Version}) the error is: E: pidgin source: not-binnmuable-all-depends-any libpurple-dev -> libpurple0
[17:23] <sistpoty|work> c_korn: oh, yeah, my mistake. arch:all aren't part of a binNMU, so the version of libpurple-dev's dependency isn't increased
[17:25] <c_korn> exactly, how is situation being solved then ?
[17:25] <c_korn> making the -dev arch:any ?
[17:25] <sistpoty|work> yes
[17:26] <sistpoty|work> you could also use = source:Upstream-Version (unless you change a header in a debian revision)
[17:26] <sistpoty|work> c_korn: what do you have in mind btw.? preparing an upload for ubuntu?
[17:27] <c_korn> I am not allowed to do so I think. I just wanted to test the new pidgin release. because ICQ seems to be instable at the moment
[17:28] <sistpoty|work> ah, k
[17:29] <sistpoty|work> (because I don't really think these changes should be introduced for Ubuntu unless coming from debian)
[17:33] <benste1> what's wrong with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/294816/
[17:33] <benste1> ~/.dbut.cf has got http://paste.ubuntu.com/294819/
[17:34] <benste1> put
[17:36] <sistpoty|work> benste1: the colon... dput <where> <changesfile> (no ":")
[17:36] <benste1> LP howTo says  ppa:benste/ppa
[17:37] <benste1> sistpoty|work: yours seem to work
[17:37] <james_w> benste1: you don't need to edit ~/.dput.cf
[17:37] <james_w> you can just type "dput ppa:benste/ppa ..."
[17:37] <james_w> not "test-ppa:..."
[17:38] <benste1> always difficult with those things :-) https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading
[17:38] <benste1> and now it even asks a password I don#t know ROFL -
[17:39] <benste1> james_w: , sistpoty|work: does it take some time after CLI has finished ?  - https://launchpad.net/~benste/+archive/ppa
[17:39] <james_w> yes
[17:40] <james_w> a couple of minutes
[17:40] <benste1> james_w: why doesn't it upload a .DEB file to PPA ?
[17:40] <james_w> because the PPA builds the .deb
[17:41] <benste1> ah that's meant by      A recent upload has resulted in     3     pending builds.
[17:41] <benste1> right ?
[17:42] <benste1> so I don't have to use pbuilder if I'll upload the debuild to PPA ?
[17:43]  * sistpoty|work heads home and is off over the weekend... cya
[17:43] <geser> no, but testing if you package builds in a pbuilder will probably be faster than waiting on the PPA build
[17:44] <benste1> james_w: thanks for helping now I'll try to rebuild those files modify changelog and add a package description :-)
[17:44] <benste1> geser: just noticed that it will be build in 8h - long time :-)
[17:45] <benste1> -> for changing something now I can simply edit the unpacked version, and modify changelog and some other stuff and upload the changes again ?
[17:45] <james_w> you need to build the source package again
[17:45] <james_w> and your modifications of the changelog have to increase the version number
[17:52] <fabrice_sp> james_w, I fixed a package (classpath-common) that was making fail the rebuild of cacao. Is it possible to retry the build of cacao in the test of rebuild or I should upload a build1 version?
[17:52] <james_w> fabrice_sp: I don't think it is possible
[17:54] <fabrice_sp> james_w, ok. So I should just upload a build1 debdiff, to 'delete' it from the FTBFS? Or let it be?
[17:55] <james_w> you know cacao builds now?
[17:55] <james_w> and it builds in the archive?
[17:55] <james_w> built I mean
[17:55] <geser> fabrice_sp: is the FTBFS in the copy archive (rebuild) or main one?
[17:55] <james_w> if so then I would suggest leaving it
[17:56] <fabrice_sp> geser, only in the copy. So I'll leave it. Thanks guys
[17:56] <geser> fabrice_sp: knowing that it would build again (in case we need to) is enough, no reason to get it rebuild
[17:57] <fabrice_sp> crystal clear. Thanks :-)
[18:02] <mne> Hi. I'm running ubuntu 9.04 on x86-32 kernel 2.6.28-6-686 and noticed that all programs (so far) have a non executable heap although there is no NX support in the kernel ? How is this possible ? For vulnerability research I would like to temporarily set the execute permission for the heap segment of a binary. How can I do this ?
[18:02] <benste1> If I would start a very big package (>1gb) what could I do to expand PPA space ?
[18:02] <av`> benste1, I've never heard of a package bigger than 1 gb
[18:03] <ScottK> benste1: Ask on #launchpad
[18:03] <benste1> thanks
[18:03] <av`> benste1, anyway you should fillout a question against launchpad asking why you need more space
[18:03] <av`> e.g you need a good rationale
[18:03] <mne> does apparmour or selinux set the heap to non-executable ?
[18:04] <ScottK> av`: They exist, but aren't in the official archive due to the effect on mirrors.  The largest I've heard of in Ubuntu was around 750mb
[18:04] <av`> ScottK, they really exist? bigger than 1 gb?
[18:04] <ScottK> mne: You should probably ask in #ubuntu-hardened
[18:04] <ScottK> av`: Yes.
[18:04] <av`> I guess that building one of them would make me crying
[18:04] <benste1> av`: atm I'm still learning on how to build packages but I just thought if there would be a big game, e.g. WOW comes with ~ 10 Gb in Windows installation now - but you're right, simply asking to expand ro create a group with a bigger PPA would be the smartest way.
[18:04] <mne> ScottK, thanks, I'll do so
[18:06] <benste1> av`: ScottK - I'm sure I'll choose to go to local uniersity If I'll ever be in the situation to build something big - you know about the IBM servers at FH-Aachen (at campus Jülich) in germany?
[18:07] <av`> benste1, I don't think someone will ever make WOW package :)
[18:07] <joaopinto> benste1, WOW ? You can't upload non free games into a PPA
[18:07] <benste1> .-)
[18:07] <benste1> was just an example as my brother is playing it atm in ubuntu with wine
[18:07] <benste1> beside some teamspeak PA errors all is better than in windows :-)
[18:08] <benste1> back to topic, my pacakge has bee rejected from PPA :-)
[18:08] <benste1> if the old version number is 2.4.1 and the new is 2.4.0ubuntu2 he nodes the 0 ? or the 2 ?
[18:08] <benste1> does I have to use 2.4.1ubuntu2 ?
[18:09] <benste1> av`:  ?
[18:10] <av`> benste1, how can the new version be lower than the old one?
[18:11] <av`> 2.4.1 old 2.4.0 new
[18:11] <benste1> but new ist 2.4.0ubuntu2
[18:11] <benste1> o lats number is 2 I thought
[18:11] <av`> 2.4.0ubuntu2 is wrong
[18:11] <benste1> why ?
[18:12] <benste1> it's explained to use so which would be <deb revision version>ubuntu<ubuntu revision version>
[18:12] <av`> there is no debian revision there
[18:12] <av`> 2.4.0 is upstream
[18:12] <av`> debian is missing
[18:12] <benste1> ?
[18:12] <benste1> in my PPA ?
[18:13] <av`> benste1, please tell me the upstream revision
[18:13] <av`> the debian revision
[18:13] <av`> and I make you the ubuntu one
[18:13] <av`> if I lack to know upstream and debian revision I can't help you
[18:14] <benste1> normally it should be for me 0 debian and 2 ubuntu
[18:14] <benste1> - 2 ubuntu cause it's my 2nd
[18:14] <benste1> (for ubutnu)
[18:14] <benste1> ~ of course not for real yet
[18:15] <av`> please give me some details about the package you're working on
[18:15] <benste1> it's the Test hello package from gnu
[18:15] <benste1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic
[18:15] <benste1> but it's my own attemp to change it
[18:17] <benste1> av`: ?
[18:17] <av`> benste1, upstream revision is 2.4
[18:18] <av`> our ubuntu revision will be 2.4-0ubuntu1
[18:18] <av`> next will be 2.4-0ubuntu2
[18:18] <benste1> yes
[18:18] <av`> and next is 2.4-0ubuntux
[18:18] <av`> etc
[18:18] <benste1> but the problem is that I named the first one 1 withouht ubunut
[18:18] <av`> 2.4-1?
[18:18] <benste1> and the 0ubuntu2 is now regretted
[18:18] <benste1> yip
[18:19] <benste1> https://launchpad.net/~benste/+archive/ppa/+packages
[18:19] <av`> well, 2.4-1 is how debian do versioning
[18:19] <av`> that way ubuntu will be 2.4-1ubuntu1
[18:19] <av`> and if you upload another revision in ubuntu you bump ubuntuX
[18:19] <benste1> ah k I'll try that so 1ubuntu1 > 0
[18:19] <benste1> and > 1
[18:19] <av`> X should be >= 1
[18:20] <benste1> and next correction will be 1ubuntu3
[18:20] <av`> 1-2-3 etc...
[18:22] <benste1> av`: so let's see it's uploading
[18:22] <benste1> and I possibly understood the basics after a whole day  :-)
[18:23] <fabrice_sp> porthose, ping
[18:24] <av`> benste1, it's good to attach something like ~ppa1 to PPA packages
[18:24] <av`> benste1, so 2.4-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[18:24] <benste1> during changelog ?
[18:24] <av`> or 2.4-0ubuntu1~benste1 or whatever
[18:25] <av`> in changelog yes
[18:25] <av`> that's where versioning happens
[18:25] <benste1> and then counting my own versioning
[18:25] <av`> yep
[18:25] <av`> so your PPA has its own versioning
[18:25] <av`> which is different from the archive one
[18:25] <benste1> that's a smart idea not to confuse  the original ubuntu package to mine
[18:26] <av`> so you can keep track of the packages you uploaded on yoour PPA without bothering to change ubuntu or debian versioning
[18:26] <av`> exactly
[18:26] <av`> you upload to a PPA so you should use a PPA-like versioning
[18:26] <benste1> :-)
[18:26] <av`> it's recommended not a must
[18:28] <benste1> thank you very much for helping me the whole day, hopefully I'll come back tomorrow or next week asking for a real package to learn on.
[18:28] <benste1> cya
[18:29] <av`> np
[18:29] <av`> have a good day
[20:21] <benste> how can I apply the build from source strategy on a package of files, e.g. Backgrounds ?
[20:23] <joaopinto> benste, you build a source tarball with the backgrounds
[20:34] <benste> joaopinto: so I should better google around how to build a source tarball ?
[20:37] <benste> thanks
[20:37] <benste> sag einfach kurz bescheid wenn dein key mit dem inet synchronisiert ist,
[20:37] <benste> - sorry wrong tab in pidgin :-)
[20:46] <joaopinto> benste, you need to learn how to create a .tar.gz archive
[20:47] <benste> joaopinto: any advises on where to look - usually I would just right click in nautilus and create archive, but I#am sure this woun't be enough for thi case :-)
[20:47] <benste> since today I#ll use "tar cfz" ;-)
[20:47] <joaopinto> well, that will your but shuld learn to use tar :P
[20:47] <joaopinto> should
[20:50] <benste> joaopinto: is there any kind of documnetary on what has to be in the archive to see it as a source code ?
[20:54] <joaopinto> benste, on your case because you are packaging backgrouns, is not source code
[20:54] <joaopinto> and there is nothing special about a source code archive, is just an archive containg source
[20:54] <joaopinto> anyway if you are building a package from scratch you can just use the --createorig option for dh_make from the "source" directory
[20:55] <benste> joaopinto: - you're kidding - for me source of some jpeg files would only be a folder of jpeg files, but I sure here it will need a kind of installation script to move those image to the right place ?
[20:56] <ari-tczew> hello
[20:57] <joaopinto> benste, you mentioned "source code", which is different from "source"
[20:57] <joaopinto> benste, no, you just need the files listed on the debian/install, and call dh_install on the building rules
[20:58] <joaopinto> benste, if you are learning one approach is to just grab the source for an existing package with a similar purpose
[20:58] <joaopinto> so that you look how it works
[20:59] <joaopinto> apt-get source some wallpapers pacakge and look at the contents
[20:59] <joaopinto> hello ari-tczew
[20:59] <benste> joaopinto: nice idea :-) forgot about this
[21:00] <joaopinto> benste, the core files you will want to look are debian/control and debian/rules
[21:02] <fabrice_sp> Hello ari-tczew
[21:03] <ari-tczew> developers, please answer what about lm-sensors for karmic? bug exist for jaunty, now karmic, lucid?... bug #336418
[21:07] <joaopinto> isn't a bit late to handle merge requests ?
[21:11] <geser> not if it fixes important bugs
[21:11] <ari-tczew> date request: 2009-03-01
[21:13] <ari-tczew> comment #11 by Stevenk
[21:13] <ari-tczew> You've now had four archive admins touch this bug, please stop changing the status without doing any of the work that has been requested.
[21:13] <ari-tczew> 2 months ago
[21:28] <lamalex> Can anyone tell me (or point me to the doc that does) how to modify debian/rules to pass arguments to configure?
[22:05] <geser> does the package use debhelper or cdbs?
[22:40] <joaopinto> lamalex, ^ does the package use debhelper or cdbs?
[22:43] <lamalex> joaopinto: i figured it out
[22:43] <lamalex> thank you though
[22:43] <ari-tczew> what I need to have done if I want to join ~MOTU?
[22:53] <joaopinto> ari-tczew, you should start by getting familiar with the ubuntu wiki, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[22:53] <geser> read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers and let your contributions get sponsored. if you gathered enough experience and your sponsors support you, you can apply
[23:55] <jdong> /usr/bin/pdebuild: line 39: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory
[23:55] <jdong> *scratches head*
[23:58] <jdong>     exec > >(tee "${PBUILDER_BUILD_LOGFILE}");


[04:46]  * Unit193 ponders putting his stuff up on openbox-desktop.project...
[05:01] <Unit193> But, 1. Why?  2. VCS = more effort.  3. bzr  :P


[10:58] <lapo> hi
[12:42] <lapo> hi
[05:40] <Skiessi> do people ever talk here?
[05:45] <terlmann> hello kwwii , Skiessi
[05:46] <Skiessi> hi
[05:46] <terlmann> have you checked out this yet ? -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Gutsy/Wallpaper
[05:46] <terlmann> I mean kwwii
[05:48] <terlmann> nice edit. only one point to your edits though : you just adjust color. are you certain our eyes are off and not your moniter ;-) ?
[05:49] <terlmann> still, this recent edit to the lion page : its good. you did correct the color a little bit.
[05:49] <terlmann> only one thing to watch for and that is this : adjust too much and the realisticness goes away.
[05:51] <terlmann> mind if I send you a file ?
[05:51] <Skiessi> me? go ahead
[05:51] <terlmann> it's a good pic
[05:51] <terlmann> landscape
[05:52] <terlmann> worthy, even , of ubuntru
[05:52] <Skiessi> ok..
[05:52] <terlmann> just thought I'd share it around.
[05:55] <Skiessi> umm, what's that blur on the ground?
[05:55] <terlmann> water , and its on the camera
[05:55] <Skiessi> :o you sent another one?
[05:56] <terlmann> check out the penguin with the cymbals . 14 kb.
[05:56] <Skiessi> ..I guess I have seen it
[05:56] <terlmann> ok
[05:57] <terlmann> I have , I think , the biggest collection of Mr. T photoshops around. spot any and send em to me. its soo funny to see, say, Mr. T as yoda. AHAHAHAHA
[05:58] <terlmann> I think I will do some myself sometime
[05:58] <Skiessi> I just can't think that as water :/
[05:59] <terlmann> hmm
[06:00] <terlmann> check this out. no blurs. just the good stuff.
[06:00] <terlmann> if you thought the other was blurry, this one isn't
[06:00] <terlmann> and lucky., its not from redmond
[06:02] <terlmann> hey kwwii
[06:03] <terlmann> Wakeup mon and feel the breeze. or someting like that
[06:04] <terlmann> I think I'm going to die laughing. http://www.worth1000.com/cache/contest/contestcache.asp?contest_id=16433&start=11&end=20&display=photoshop#entries
[06:08] <terlmann> Captain Vista
[06:08] <terlmann> ROFFL
[07:02] <kwwii_> re
[07:03] <kwwii> terlmann: while I like the colors used, I think that the lion pics are missing some luminesence somehow
[09:03] <lapo> hi
[09:12] <Skiessi> hi
[09:17] <wousser> where can i found any information about the logo itself?
[09:26] <kwwii> wousser: the wiki
[09:26] <kwwii> wousser: what exactly do you need to know?
[09:27] <wousser> kwwii: i couldnt find anything on the wiki, only edubuntu, gobuntu etc
[09:28] <wousser> kwwii: i would like to know some standard information how they found the logo, why the three people..
[09:30] <kwwii> wousser: hrm, good question...not sure if there is any info on that anywhere really
[09:30] <kwwii> wousser: if you need it for something important I can ask (I work for canonical)
[09:32] <wousser> kwwii: it's not important.. my girlfriend needs to describe some logo's and I showed her the ubuntu logo. I've found something in the comments about the ubuntu mascot
[09:33] <wousser> kwwii: but it's nice to have a wiki page about it
[09:33] <kwwii> wousser: yeah, not a bad idea
[10:34] <terlmann> kwii
[10:34] <terlmann> if I could get a similar image to the one I used
[10:34] <terlmann> but with wayy higher res
[10:34] <terlmann> it would come out better
[10:35] <terlmann> did you laugh at the penguin ?
[10:39] <kwwii> terlmann: actually I never received the pic you tried to send me
[10:41] <terlmann> well then take it and have a laugh
[10:44] <Skiessi> me too
[10:44] <kwwii> lol
[10:45] <kwwii> you need to add an ubuntu logo to the cymbals and a big MS logo on the bear
[10:45] <terlmann> ahh...
[10:45] <Skiessi> ..that one


[01:23] <jcastro> Technoviking: hah, awesome
[01:23] <paultag> Technoviking: hahaha, what?
[01:23] <paultag> story time
[01:32]  * mhall119 gets the popcorn
[02:23] <pleia2> jono: will you be around for the CC meeting tomorrow afternoon to help clear up some of the FUD around banshee? Vincent Untz added the issue to our agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[02:24] <pleia2> jono: a follow-up to comments on ubuntu-news.org would be appreciated too (this is why it's better to post on your blog first, less chance for such fragmented discussion :)) http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/02/24/banshee-in-natty-to-ship-multiple-stores-and-contribute-to-gnome-foundation/
[02:29] <jono> pleia2, will do
[02:30] <pleia2> much appreciated
[05:22] <nigelbabu> hello
[06:02] <nigelbabu> jussi: "IRC rockstar Jussi..."   I can't work for 2 more days thanks to a broken power cord.
[08:25] <kim0> is that good or bad :)
[08:26] <nigelb> lol, I'm not sure yet
[08:26] <nigelb> I'm going to get 2 more days of rest and good sleep
[08:26] <nigelb> wait, I have a udw session tonight, so scratch good sleep :p
[08:31] <nigelbabu> ok, wow https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78514#c19
[08:31] <ubot2> Gnome bug 78514 in general "copy item in edit menu" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed]
[09:32] <duanedesign> morning all
[09:33] <nigelb> hello duanedesign
[09:39] <duanedesign> nigelb: cool link you posteds
[09:39] <nigelb> duanedesign: :D :D
[12:30]  * duanedesign waves at Pendulum
[13:28] <Pendulum> hi duanedesign
[13:28] <duanedesign> o/
[13:44] <mhall119> jcastro: got Unity running on my tiny netbook
[13:44] <mhall119> so far I'm liking it
[13:44] <mhall119> a bit slow at times though
[14:52] <jcastro> hey alright
[14:52] <jcastro> which netbook?
[14:53] <nigelb> o/
[14:53] <nigelb> jcastro: \o/
[14:57] <duanedesign> \o/
[15:02] <popey> \o/
[15:36] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek day 2 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:38] <Technoviking> dholbach and pleia2: going to try to make the CC meeting, in real life work meeting at that time, and my lappy is in the shop
[15:39] <dholbach> I won't be able to make it - sorry
[15:40] <popey> gonna be a quiet one :S
[15:40] <popey> which is annoying given how much we have on the agenda
[15:41] <jcastro> when is the meeting?
[15:41] <nigelb> isn't the amazon and banshee thing up this time?
[15:41] <nigelb> I suppose you'd have a lot of people turn up to watch
[15:41] <Technoviking> 2100 utc
[15:41] <popey> We are doing uupc at 20:30 for 1 hour
[15:41] <popey> so I will only be at the cc meet for the last half
[15:42] <nigelb> ooh, UUPC time!
[15:42] <popey> :)
[15:43] <popey> Listen live! D:
[15:43] <popey> er :D
[15:43] <popey> we're having a quiz, which should be fun
[15:43] <Technoviking> dholbach or jcastro: is there a reason you heard from the business side we could active the Ubuntu foundation and have the money going there from Amazon
[15:43] <nigelb> gah, can't listen live, too late in my TZ
[15:43] <jcastro> Technoviking: I don't know anything about the business side
[15:43] <nigelb> at least too_late_when_I'm_at_home
[15:45] <dholbach> Technoviking, the Ubuntu foundation is not a body that is doing anything
[15:45] <dholbach> it's a trust
[15:45] <dholbach> there's no functionality, people or anything else connected to it
[15:45] <dholbach> but maybe you might want to ask Mark about it
[15:46] <dholbach> he'll be in the best position to answer the question
[15:46] <Technoviking> dholbach: the reason I asked, that it people don't mind money going to Ubuntu, just not Canonical
[15:46] <Technoviking> People don't see it is really the same thing
[15:47] <dholbach> I don't think it's that easy to divide Ubuntu into "ubuntu without canonical" and "ubuntu with canonical"
[15:47] <dholbach> that doesn't work
[15:47] <maco> isn't that kubuntu?
[15:47]  * maco runs
[15:47] <dholbach> or needs loads of money, thought, effort and time to make it so
[15:47] <dholbach> I don't think it's a good way to solve any problems, but I might be wrong
[15:47] <dholbach> maco, ...
[15:47] <maco> i ran away!
[15:48] <maco> but that was just because the kubuntu team has only one canonical employee which is quite a lot fewer than ubuntu desktop

[15:50] <nigelb> maco: lol
[15:50] <dholbach> I won't take the bait
[15:50] <popey> good man
[15:50] <nigelb> darn, we tried :p
[15:51] <nigelb> but I gotta say, that was pefect timing.
[15:52] <nigelb> we need a quote site just for Ubuntu channels ;)
[16:00] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:00]  * popey cuddles jono
[16:00] <dholbach> jono, can we get UDW on the Ubuntu facebook page another time? maybe just link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek?
[16:02] <jono> dholbach, will do
[16:03] <jono> hey popey :-)
[16:03] <jono> dpm, one sec
[16:03]  * dholbach hugs jono
[16:03] <popey> \o/ cuddlefest!
[16:03] <dpm> jono, sure
[16:03]  * dpm starts hugging popey
[16:03] <popey> \o/
[16:04] <jcastro> "dholbach: the reason I asked, that it people don't mind money going to Ubuntu, just not Canonical	"
[16:04] <jcastro> Technoviking: I don't get that
[16:05] <nigelb> thats because its twisted logic
[16:06] <Technoviking> jcastro: I have been been reading people thought on the Banshee issue
[16:07] <Technoviking> more that one person has stated "it work be ok if we knew the money was going toward Ubuntu development, and not the Canonical general coffer"
[16:07] <jono> dholbach, posted
[16:07] <dholbach> jono, rock!
[16:07] <dholbach> thanks
[16:07] <jono> dpm, firing up Skype now
[16:08] <jcastro> Technoviking: I think people think we just blow it on parties instead of ubuntu development
[16:08] <jcastro> dpm: hey when you're done I need to talk work items with you wrt. unity docs and APIs
[16:09] <dpm> jcastro, sure
[16:09] <maco> Technoviking: sounds like they want it run like a publicly traded company would, with published financials and such, and possibly also wanting to see budgets, like "so does money go more to ubuntu dev or LP dev?" and such, but...no stockholders, no requirement...
[16:09] <Technoviking> maco: seems to be
[16:10] <jcastro> maco: I keep waiting for people to ask for my pay stub so the community can judge my value and then fire me
[16:12] <mhall119> jcastro: sadly, that exactly what would happen
[16:12] <nigelb> jcastro: I thought the community might ask for your pay stub and they say 'bless his soul, he needs to be paid more for the kind of stuff he's dealing with'
[16:12] <popey> Meanwhile... back on planet earth.
[16:12] <nigelb> true, I tend to think mhall119 is right
[16:13] <mhall119> and I don't even know what jcastro is paid
[16:14] <mhall119> it could be $100/year, and someone would write about how it's excessive
[16:14]  * mhall119 hopes it's more than $100/year
[16:14] <sense> Or is it in euros? What currency does Canonical actually use internally?
[16:15] <popey> Ponies!
[16:15] <Technoviking> pink ponies!
[16:15] <vish> Marks!
[16:15] <nigelb> Narwhals!
[16:15] <paultag> vish: ha!
[16:15] <popey> Tears of Banshee developers.
[16:15] <sense> vish: How much Marks would one earn a year? :)
[16:15] <mhall119> pink narwhals?
[16:15] <paultag> Deutschmarks ;)
[16:15] <Technoviking> Jono get paid in pennies, cause that is more metal:)
[16:16] <nigelb> sense: its more like how many fractions of marks one earns a year :p
[16:16] <jcastro> I've been paid in kilos of powder made from the ground up bones of unicorns before
[16:16] <nigelb> jcastro: I thought you got paid in keybaords for banging on the head ;)
[16:16] <sense> A shame you're not beign paid in Zimbabwean dollars, you'd been a billionaire by now.
[16:16] <vish> lol!!
[16:16] <mhall119> a zimbabwean billionare
[16:16] <mhall119> which isn't the same as a real billionare
[16:17] <sense> You could try to erase the words 'zimbabwean'  from the bills and pretend they are USD.
[16:17] <mhall119> dang, my second to last week at work, and I'm going to blow it all following UDW
[16:18]  * popey is amused to discover that jcastro posted the very first mail to the sounder list
[16:18] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2004-August/000000.html
[16:18] <jcastro> popey: yep
[16:18] <nigelb> mhall119: hah, good idea
[16:19] <nigelb> haha
[16:19] <jcastro> I love the things we used to consider awesome back then
[16:19] <popey> :)
[16:19] <jcastro> "* User account already in the audio group (yay!)"
[16:19] <jcastro> "Desktop Preferences Menu Entry is getting crowded these days, but you
[16:19] <jcastro> removed the HUGE debian menu, which is good."
[16:19] <jcastro> hah
[16:19]  * vish wonders why jcastro hides his @ubuntu id and uses @whiprush.org ;)
[16:19] <jcastro> still not fixed
[16:20] <vish> maybe easier to deny its not him? ;p
[16:20] <jcastro> that was my old domain, it expired like years ago
[16:20] <maco> jcastro: Utopia?
[16:20] <jcastro> project utopia
[16:20] <jcastro> that's what they called the stack that let automounting work
[16:20] <mhall119> progeny?
[16:20] <jcastro> back then it was a big deal, in fact iirc ubuntu shipped with 2.6 and utopia before anyone else
[16:21] <maco> when i hear "utopia," i think "the sky is like diamonds"
[16:21] <vish> oh gosh! thats 2004!!!
[16:21]  * maco looks at popey
[16:21] <Technoviking> good times, good times
[16:21] <sense> jcastro: Is 2.6 really that young?
[16:21] <popey> hmm?
[16:21] <maco> sense: dapper was only on 2.6.15....
[16:21] <sense> mmm
[16:22] <jcastro> sense: I think you meant to ask "am I really getting that old"
[16:22] <popey> :)
[16:22] <maco> iirc, Sarge is the release that let you choose between 2.4 and 2.6
[16:22] <mhall119> jcastro: lol -1
[16:23]  * mhall119 turns 30 in 1 week :(
[16:23] <sense> I am getting old, ancient.
[16:23] <Technoviking> it is my 19th wedding anniversary today:)
[16:23] <maco> every summer i go "WOAH, ive been at this for X years? how much time have i wast--er..spent...on this stuff?"
[16:23] <mhall119> congrats Technoviking
[16:23] <maco> and my X is much smaller than many of yours, but *still*
[16:23] <maco> Technoviking: woot woot
[16:23] <popey> warty shipped with 2.6.8 iirc
[16:24] <mhall119> maco: "invested"
[16:24] <nigelb> Technoviking: wow, congrats!
[16:24] <sense> Wait, what, they called HAL Project Utopia? :O
[16:24] <maco> mhall119: heh
[16:24] <mhall119> maco: at least, that's what I tell myself to justify it
[16:24] <maco> mhall119: i heard some news about you, so that sounds valid
[16:24] <mhall119> yeah, it did pay off ;)
[16:24] <popey> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/ retro!
[16:25] <Technoviking> yes, it is hard to believe someone would put up with me for so long
[16:25] <jcastro> kirkland keeps VM images of all the old stuff somewhere
[16:25] <mhall119> next release party, I want to try and get a computer running each Ubuntu release, side by side, for comparison
[16:26] <mhall119> maybe every other release, since that would be a lot of computers
[16:26] <popey> vm
[16:26] <nigelb> jcastro: I think pitti has all the images
[16:26] <nigelb> like all the released isos
[16:26] <maco> nigelb: ubuntu museum
[16:27] <maco> mhall119: all the x.04s and that one Late To Ship?
[16:27] <popey> I am devising quiz questions about Ubuntu for the podcast this evening :D
[16:27] <jcastro> popey: talk to lifeless, he has a bunch of trivia
[16:27] <popey> ooo
[16:28] <popey> I have 20 questions so far
[16:28] <nigelb> lifeless must be asleep now though
[16:28] <nigelb> or you may catch him at the other end of the day in a while
[16:28] <popey> we're going to do this regularly :)
[16:28] <nigelb> oooh
[16:29] <nigelb> are they shiny prizes involved?
[16:29] <popey> nah, its just for fun
[16:29] <popey> we're quizzing eachother :)
[16:29] <nigelb> hah
[16:29] <popey> we each take turns to come up with questions to quiz eachother with, and of course people listening can play along :)
[16:30] <nigelb> w00t, that sounds very interesting
[16:31]  * popey chuckles at bug 14475
[16:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 14475 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Ubuntu's kernels wont boot without acpi=off" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14475
[16:31] <popey> oh
[16:31] <popey> predates launchpad
[16:31] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/desktop-bugs/2005-September/003240.html
[16:31] <nigelb> http://people.canonical.com/~kirkland/Museum/
[16:31] <nigelb> maco: there is a museum!
[16:46] <dpm> jcastro, I'm done if you want to talk about api docs and WIs. Here or phone?
[16:46] <jcastro> here is fine
[16:46] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-dx-n-unity-places-api
[16:46] <dpm> ok
[16:46] <dpm> let me have a look...
[16:46] <jcastro> specifically the A3 ones
[16:47] <jcastro> I think Places docs can be pushed to Beta since they're still in progress upstream
[16:48] <dpm> jcastro, so let me summarize the status of api docs, to see if you can use it to tick off some wi's:
[16:48] <jcastro> heh
[16:49] <dpm> we are publishing documentation extracted from the -doc and -dev packages
[16:50] <dpm> It does not have a unified look, but gets the job done
[16:51] <dpm> So for C-based APIs we're good, for e.g. Vala (i.e. unity) and to have docs for other bindings such as Python, kamstrup developed a tool to birng us 90% of the way
[16:52] <jcastro> is it up somewhere yet?
[16:52] <dpm> I'm publishing the output of this tool here, in the natty/GIR folder:
[16:52] <dpm> http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/api/
[16:52] <dpm> it's on a cron job, so it's updated daily
[16:52] <jcastro> is going to go on another user-visible thing for natty?
[16:53] <dpm> although in the future it will be updated weekly and it will go on d.u.c/api
[16:53] <jcastro> like on ubuntu.com?
[16:53] <jcastro> ah perfect
[16:53] <dpm> I've got a RT open to move it to d.u.c, but I've had to modify a couple of things on the script to be run there, so it might take until next week to be in there
[16:54] <jcastro> ok
[16:54] <dpm> here's an example of the Unity api docs:
[16:54] <dpm> http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/api/natty/GIR/python/Unity-3.0.html
[16:54] <jcastro> can I move the one bullet to you?
[16:54] <jcastro> I can rename it to
[16:54] <jcastro> [jorge] Documentation complete and final on developer.ubuntu.com/api: TODO
[16:54] <dpm> jcastro, sure
[16:55] <jcastro> want it for beta or just unmilestoned, since I'm in there.
[16:55] <dpm> jcastro, I think beta might be reasonable
[16:56] <jcastro> cool
[16:56] <jcastro> I've moved them both to beta
[16:57] <dpm> sounds good
[16:57] <jcastro> nice, the genned stuff looks nice
[16:57] <jcastro> just need to spit it out to a user-nice-looking thing and we're done!
[16:57] <dpm> yeah, kamstrup is a rockstar
[17:23] <dholbach> dpm, thanks a bunch for your feedback
[17:24] <dholbach> I'll reply tomorrow
[17:24] <dpm> dholbach, sure, no rush, and no need to reply. Just use it if you find it useful :)
[17:24] <dholbach> thanks again :)
[17:25] <dpm> yw :)
[17:25] <manish_> jcastro: your talk yesterday forms a content for a great writeup on unity
[17:26] <jcastro> write it up!
[17:27] <nigelb> jcastro: is the places api ready?
[17:28] <manish_> jcastro: sure. Will you post it on omgubuntu  or your tumblog?
[17:28] <dholbach> ok my friends, I'm calling it a day - see you all tomorrow
[17:28]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:28]  * manish_ hugs dholbach
[17:29] <jcastro> wherever you'd like
[17:29] <jcastro> we can OMG IT if they dig it
[17:31] <manish_> jcastro: previous ones are on http://ubuntutalk.tumblr.com
[17:44] <jono> jcastro, did you get your objectives in the system?
[17:44] <jcastro> crap!
[17:45] <jcastro> I totally forgot this mornin
[17:45] <jcastro> doing them now
[17:45] <jcastro> ugh
[17:56] <kim0> jcastro: man, I just created a facebook event and can't tell if it got the timezone right
[17:56] <kim0> jcastro: can you check https://www.facebook.com/ubuntucloud
[17:56] <kim0> is the event 16:00 UTC for you
[17:57] <jcastro> Wednesday, March 23, 2011 at 6:00pm
[17:57] <jcastro> sec, let me math
[17:57] <kim0> that's wrong wtf is 6pm
[17:57] <kim0> that's for me
[17:57] <jcastro> hey
[17:57] <kim0> not the whole world
[17:57] <jcastro> maybe you can set it at UTC time for you and trick it
[17:58] <kim0> would have been cool to adjust time for people
[17:58] <kim0> you'd think that's what it'd do
[18:00] <kim0> jcastro: do you see it 4pm-7pm now
[18:00] <jcastro> 4pm still
[18:01] <kim0> jcastro: 4pm not 6pm
[18:01] <kim0> 4pm = 16:00 = right
[18:01] <jcastro> nope, just 4pm
[18:01] <jcastro> yes
[18:01] <kim0> it can't UTC ..
[18:01] <kim0> just prompts for which hour
[18:02] <kim0> I've added 16:00UTC in description
[18:02] <kim0> cool thanks
[18:03] <jcastro> <--- lunch time!
[18:03] <jcastro> I mean ... TACO TIME.
[18:03] <popey> jcastro: wait!
[18:04] <jcastro> ok
[18:04] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/42645921351217152
[18:04] <popey> please to be retweeting :D
[18:04] <popey> *hugs*
[18:04] <jcastro> DONE
[18:04] <jcastro> I look forward to the new season
[18:04] <popey> thanks dude!
[18:04] <jcastro> "the one where we're british"
[18:04] <popey> :)
[18:33] <jcastro> popey:
[18:33] <jcastro> have you tried upgrading nowish?
[18:33] <jcastro> everything should be sorted
[18:42] <jono> jcastro, where is that URL for testing GNOME Shell again?
[18:43] <jcastro> http://gnome3.org/tryit.html
[18:44] <jono> jcastro, and I just write this to a USB stick, just like I do with an Ubuntu ISO?
[18:44] <jcastro> yeah
[18:44] <jcastro> the little script at the bottom does it all for you
[18:44] <jcastro> or I suppose you can also get the latest fedora alpha or whatever
[18:45] <jono> cool
[18:48] <vish>  i dont think the Ubuntu USB creator works with that iso.. their own usb image writer (instructions on that page work good..)
[18:48] <jono> it is writing it now :-)
[18:49] <jcastro> I just used their script
[18:49] <vish> me too..
[18:49] <jono> ok done
[18:49] <jono> rebooting
[19:08] <jono> jcastro, you got the Unity updates now?
[19:08] <jono> pretty damn sweet
[19:13] <jcastro> yeah
[19:13] <jcastro> I wish I could resize the dash, that little widget makes me want to resize
[19:13] <jono> jcastro, yeah
[19:14] <jcastro> they fixed the multimonitor in the panel now
[19:14] <jcastro> so I am finally almost set
[19:14] <jcastro> all I need is the web app window matching fixed in bamf and I'm all set
[19:14] <jono> yeah it is feeling solid
[19:15] <jcastro> super1, chrome, super2, gmail
[19:15] <jcastro> is how I roll
[19:17] <cjohnston> jcastro: when you mouseover the logo does unity sometimes appear but very faded?
[19:17] <jcastro> yes
[19:18] <jcastro> I think that's a hint that there's a launcher there
[19:18] <cjohnston> is that a feature/
[19:18] <cjohnston> ok
[19:18] <jcastro> I don't like it, I liked how it was before
[19:18] <cjohnston> how do you make it appear completely?
[19:18] <cjohnston> cause clicking causes the other window
[19:18] <jcastro> either turn off autohide, click the button, or hit super
[19:18] <jcastro> yeah, that's annoying
[19:18] <jcastro> there's some dash/launcher/super interactions that need to be adjusted
[19:18] <jcastro> for example "tap" on super is supposed to launch dash
[19:18] <cjohnston> even super brings up the window
[19:19] <jcastro> but a normal super is supposed to launch the launcher
[19:19] <cjohnston> hmm
[19:19] <jcastro> but like, the thresholds are kind of raw
[19:19] <jcastro> so it just launches crap
[19:19] <jcastro> it's much better this week
[19:19] <maco> um, maybe make it double-tap versus hold-down?
[19:19] <jcastro> I expect it'll get nicer here as we figure out the exact key thresholds
[19:19] <cjohnston> theres a new unity update today
[19:20] <jcastro> cjohnston: oh, do you not have that?
[19:20] <cjohnston> i got one yesterday
[19:20] <cjohnston> but theres another today i guess
[19:20] <jcastro> ah dude
[19:21] <jcastro> update now
[19:21] <jcastro> oh and
[19:21] <jcastro> 14:20 <Jason> open ccsm
[19:21] <jcastro> 14:20 <Jason> and change it to always slide
[19:21] <jcastro> 14:20 <Jason> in the experimental tab
[19:21] <jcastro> 14:20 <Jason> thats how *I* think it shoudl work
[19:21] <cjohnston> whats that for
[19:21] <jcastro> the funky half fade
[19:22] <cjohnston> ahh
[19:22] <cjohnston> was that from a pm or a channel
[19:22] <jcastro> pm
[19:22] <jcastro> but you can always ask in #ayatana
[19:22] <jcastro> but ask me, I like to traffic cop the guys so people bother me instead of them
[19:23] <cjohnston> I always do come do you
[19:23] <cjohnston> ;-)
[19:23] <jcastro> \o/
[19:23] <cjohnston> thats why i sent my buddy to you that night
[19:24] <jcastro> anyway, today's update is much better wrt. the super key
[19:24] <jcastro> though it's not quite there
[19:24] <cjohnston> cool
[19:25] <cjohnston> i want my super space back fro do
[19:25] <cjohnston> for
[19:26] <maco> jcastro: you know how you can test double-click speed and have a little slider to set it for like "i'm a really slow double-clicker" mode? maybe you need one of those
[19:26] <jcastro> not sure
[19:26] <jcastro> I'm behind on what's going on a11y wise
[19:31] <maco> given things like arthritis, i suspect some thresholds could need to be raised for some people
[19:34] <doctormo> Just had lunch with mdz, fun fun
[19:34] <maco> doctormo: on which side of the pond?
[19:34] <doctormo> This one, he was visiting Lexington
[19:34] <maco> ah
[19:49] <cjohnston> jcastro: why does my dash show up across the whole screen
[19:49] <jcastro> there should be a toggle thing on the bottom right corner of it
[19:49] <cjohnston> i dont see one
[19:50] <jcastro> you're up to date?
[19:50] <cjohnston> it almost appears as if it goes below the bottom of my screen
[19:50] <cjohnston> ya
[19:50] <jcastro> hmm
[19:50] <jcastro> sounds like a bug
[19:53] <cjohnston> did you ever find out about bug 711033 being bitesize
[19:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711033 in unity "Add the ability to remove mounted drives from the Unity launcher" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711033
[19:53] <mhall119> it does that on my netbook too
[19:53] <mhall119> but I have very low-res screen
[19:53] <cjohnston> jcastro:
[19:53] <cjohnston> http://img18.imageshack.us/i/unity.png/
[19:53] <jcastro> not sure
[19:54] <mhall119> is there still going to be a "netbook" version of Unity?
[19:54]  * mhall119 looks as the screenshot
[19:54] <mhall119> you have an IRC problem cjohnston
[19:54] <cjohnston> ?
[19:55] <mhall119> there's what, 60 irssi windows open?
[19:55] <cjohnston> too many channels
[19:55] <cjohnston> hehe
[19:55] <cjohnston> i skip some numbers
[19:55] <mhall119> stop trying to rationalize it and just admit you have an addiction
[19:56] <cjohnston> maybe
[19:56] <cjohnston> 12 of them are pm windows
[20:04] <cjohnston> one one fo /45
[20:31] <jono> jcastro, ping?
[20:33] <jcastro> jono: pong
[20:34] <jono> jcastro, can you follow up with Marjo and Alex L and ensure that the Unity triaging documentation is finalized and on the Ubuntu Wiki
[20:34] <jono> we should get the word out and encourage folks to participate
[20:34] <jcastro> sure
[20:35] <jono> thanks, pal
[20:35] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/FilingBugs
[20:35] <jcastro> FYI
[20:35] <jcastro> that's where they live
[20:40] <jono> cool
[20:45] <cjohnston> jcastro: did you see http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/27286/
[20:46] <cjohnston> kim0: pm?
[20:46] <jcastro> shrug
[20:46] <jcastro> I don't really see what I can do there
[20:46] <cjohnston> Just showin ya mostly..
[20:54] <vish> how did it get approved by 3 mods? i wonder how is that even an idea/question.. o.0
[20:55] <cjohnston> the idea is to provide a better tested product i believe.
[20:56] <cjohnston> i cant figure out how half the stuff on there gets past any sort of qa tho
[21:15] <jcastro> jono: k I asked skaet to put it in the tech overview, I'll have it finalized and stuff for the thursday push
[21:22] <jcastro> <-- caffeine, bbiab
[21:51] <kim0> cjohnston: ping
[21:56] <kim0> cjohnston: feel free to pm me
[23:21] <popey> jcastro: not updated today, will do tomorrow, my biggest issue is nvidia edid error, so it gets my screen res all wrong
[23:22] <popey> bug 725600
[23:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 725600 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "nvidia EDID issue, wrong resolution selected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725600


[00:28] <Takyoji> Out of sheer curiosity; does the "Ubuntu Help Center" seem to load a bit too slow? (System > Help and Support)
[00:28] <Takyoji> Initially takes like a few minutes just to open on my laptop. And took about a minute to load on my speedy desktop.
[00:35] <Takyoji> It's one of the reasons I step away from typical OS-provided help systems. It just seems to be slow and/or undeveloped/unorganized.
[00:37] <_diablo> I agree
[00:38] <Takyoji> thus I wonder if I should file a bug.
[01:31] <Takyoji> Apparently I get an error message on Google Chrome with any https request; even on Gmail
[01:31] <Takyoji> error message of "Error 107 (net::ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR): Unknown error."
[01:36] <Takyoji> Any updates with installfests?
[01:36] <Takyoji> I think we should update the Events page to reflect on the upcoming installfests
[01:59] <Takyoji> And as usual "we", typically resolves to "me"..
[01:59] <Takyoji> http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/events I've mildly updated it.
[01:59] <Takyoji> Anything I wasn't sure of I simply put in a HTML comment, rather than completely removing some content.
[02:32] <Takyoji> Ooo http://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/netbooks/296251-a-review-ben-nanonote-gets-small-with-embedded-linux
[02:39] <_diablo> Takyoji: yeah, I'm on their mailing list
[02:39] <Takyoji> Too bad it doesn't have wireless support; because then I'd probably have it attached to me.
[02:40] <Takyoji> (in other words, in one of my pockets 24/7)
[02:42] <_diablo> yeah, exactly
[02:42] <_diablo> it would then be a wiki reader
[02:44] <_diablo> Takyoji: oh! you can make it an offline wikipedia reader!
[02:44] <_diablo> maybe I will actually get one...
[02:47] <Takyoji> There's that one device by OpenMoko that is such, if I remember correctly.
[02:47] <Takyoji> http://thewikireader.com/
[03:14] <_diablo> Takyoji: holy cow, that's really cool
[03:59] <Takyoji> Bleh. Apparently the grade system that my school district just ran off and bought is apparently charged by $6 per student per year
[03:59] <Takyoji> Assuming 5000 students; that would mean $30,000 in software expenditures yearly...
[04:01] <Takyoji> of which requires a Windows server, and strictly a MSSQL database
[04:02] <Takyoji> Gotta love when a school district's technology is maintained by a person that tries for days to get to daemons to bind to the same port on the same server...
[04:28] <Takyoji> No comments?
[04:29] <Takyoji> oh and, they bought it about a year ago, and if I remember correctly, they still haven't figured out how to properly deploy it either.
[04:49] <_diablo> that is disgusting
[04:49] <_diablo> and a huge waste of taxpayers' dollars
[05:06] <Takyoji> and I just love how my district seems so secretive. They just run off and buy something; there's minimal public posting of things and so forth (to my observations)
[05:30]  * Takyoji wonders if tonyyarusso has access to changing details of such: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-minnesota
[05:56] <Takyoji> And I finally wrote and sent a message to someone that knows quite a bit of people in the local community, pleading for ideas for a location of an installfest in Faribault.
[05:56] <Takyoji> Hopefully it doesn't turn out in vain.
[06:12] <Takyoji> Egad, I wrote a message to the mailing list for once
[21:46] <Takyoji> Ooo, I may actually have a location now for an installfest.
[21:46] <Takyoji> And in other news, I've passed my driving test.
[21:47] <Takyoji> So everyone be sure to stay clear off the roads to not get accidentally hit whenever I drive by. :P
[21:48] <Leaf> Takyoji: congrats on that!
[22:36]  * Obsidian1723 welp, time to boot Lucid and check it out


[20:04] <stgraber> please someone reject this ASAP ^
[20:05] <stgraber> bad dput target for an internal package, bumping the epoch and doing some really bad patching as local hacks
[20:05] <stgraber> certainly don't want it in the archive
[20:06]  * stgraber is slightly confused this wasn't rejected by LP as it was targeted to "precise" and not "precise-proposed", I guess the alias done for raring also applies to stable releases
[20:08] <stgraber> infinity, slangasek, ScottK, cjwatson: ^
[20:10] <infinity> stgraber: The alias isn
[20:10] <infinity> Err.
[20:10] <infinity> stgraber: The alias isn't "for raring", the rewrite of $release to $release-proposed is universal.
[20:11]  * stgraber really needs to change dput's default target to /dev/null or something, especially now that one of my usual safety net is gone :(
[20:11] <stgraber> infinity: thanks
[20:12]  * infinity tries to figure out how bug #633109 is SRU-worthy.
[20:12] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 633109 in dput (Ubuntu Precise) "No progress bar for sftp uploads" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633109