[12:26] <niwt> and I just discovered that the google search box in firefox does nothing
[12:26] <savvas> pi3: ?
[12:26] <pi3> savvas: it worked :)
[12:26] <pi3> just finished
[12:26] <savvas> pi3: sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-minimal
[12:27] <pi3> done
[12:27] <savvas> pi3: sometimes old configuration get in the way
[12:27] <savvas> pi3: sudo apt-get -f install
[12:27] <pi3> savvas: is that all?
[12:27] <savvas> well I hope so ;)
[12:27] <pi3> savvas: wow, thank you
[12:28] <pi3> what was happening?
[12:28] <niwt> thanks dwangoac: I'll look at it as soon as I can get firefox running
[12:28] <niwt> geez
[12:28] <dwangoac> niwt: Gotta love brokenness - it won't let you paste into the address bar?
[12:28] <savvas> pi3: well I think tzdata had some config files leftover from feisty :P
[12:28] <niwt> yeah, I saw the page for a couple seconds, then firefox crashed and won't restart
[12:28] <dwangoac> niwt: Move your .mozilla directory out of the way
[12:28] <savvas> pi3: the install finished?
[12:28] <niwt> I tried a pkill firefox, and i got input/output error message
[12:28] <pi3> savvas: do you think I should report this?
[12:29] <pi3> savvas: gutsy install?
[12:29] <niwt> now I can't open a terminial
[12:29] <savvas> pi3: well.. um.. whatever it was, it's long gone now
[12:29] <niwt> I'll be back in a minute
[12:29] <dwangoac> niwt: OK, that i can't help you with :) - sudo ps -A | grep fire ?
[12:29] <niwt> oops - I can't go anywehre while I'm downloading stuff
[12:29] <niwt> I'm gonna drop to a console (I hope)
[12:29] <savvas> pi3: is the apt-get fixed now? no errors?
[12:30] <pi3> savvas: well, thank you. Amazing how you did without looking
[12:30] <niwt> no, I can't log in on console, either
[12:30] <niwt> gonna try ssh
[12:30] <pi3> savvas: no errors seem to keep alive :)
[12:30] <vixyfox> Hey all, how does one open the repository to edit things there?
[12:30] <savvas> pi3: ok now do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:31] <savvas> vixyfox: you mean: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:31] <ViVeRANT> vixyfox: you mean the sources.list file?
[12:31] <vixyfox> Yeah
[12:31] <niwt> can't ssh in, either - next trick is temporary power deprivation
[12:31] <ViVeRANT> beat me to it :p
[12:31] <niwt> bbiab
[12:31] <savvas> :p
[12:32] <vixyfox> Thank you ^_^
[12:32] <vixyfox> Trying to add compiz fuzion
[12:32] <savvas> thank ViVeRANT, I beat him to it :p
[12:32] <ViVeRANT> vixyfox: Gutsy also allows you to add repo via the software sources UI
[12:32] <savvas> vixyfox: gutsy already has it
[12:32] <WorkingOnWise> savvas: I loked for 2 days for that thing! They must pulled it from the repos just to mess with me!
[12:32] <vixyfox> O_O
[12:32] <vixyfox> it does?
[12:32] <vixyfox> where?
[12:33] <savvas> WorkingOnWise: the gnome-main-menu or what you were looking for? :P
[12:33] <ViVeRANT> System > Admin > Sw Sources > 3rd Party Tab
[12:33] <savvas> vixyfox: wait
[12:33] <WorkingOnWise> both, gnome-main-menu is what i have been lookin 4...
[12:33] <savvas> vixyfox: System > preferences > appearance > visual effects
[12:34] <vixyfox> Savvas: Then turn on Extra?
[12:34] <savvas> WorkingOnWise: well good, because I haven't got a clue how the sled looks like :)
[12:34] <savvas> vixyfox: exactamundo!
[12:34] <savvas> that's programmish for yes
[12:34] <vixyfox> Savvas: Nice :D How do I add or remove things though in it?
[12:35] <savvas> vixyfox: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:35] <vixyfox> Savvas: Thank you so much ^_^
[12:35] <WorkingOnWise> It's real handy for someone like me that installs a few thousand packages, just cuz they sound interesting. :)
[12:35] <savvas> vixyfox: you'll then find it under system > prefs > advanced desktop something ;p
[12:36] <vixyfox> Savvas: Downloading now ^_^
[12:36] <savvas> WorkingOnWise: got a screenshot of sled?
[12:36] <ViVeRANT> ah thats a nice way to get to that... beats the advanced desktop settings effects menu
[12:36] <ViVeRANT> well okay maybe not :)
[12:36] <Redhammer> hello I am struggling to get mysql started
[12:36] <ViVeRANT> again
[12:37] <savvas> they should have a contest with helping
[12:37] <savvas> :p
[12:37] <Redhammer> anybody able to tell me what I need to do to get mysql to start
[12:37] <techjim> i can update to gutsy via "update-manager -d" correct?  Is this a deprecated method or is it suggested?
[12:37] <ViVeRANT> I do it all day so I am used to it :p
[12:37] <savvas> Redhammer: a daemon or a client?
[12:37] <nickrud> techjim: preferred method
[12:38] <Redhammer> sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
[12:38] <Redhammer> returns failed to start server
[12:38] <WorkingOnWise> savvas: um....where would I post it for u to see?
[12:38] <savvas> Redhammer: maybe mysql-admin can help a bit
[12:38] <Redhammer> Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.45-1ubuntu3) ...
[12:38] <Redhammer>  * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld                                 [ OK ]
[12:38] <Redhammer>  * Starting MySQL database server mysqld                                 [fail]
[12:38] <Redhammer> invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
[12:38] <Redhammer> dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure):
[12:38] <Redhammer>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[12:38] <Redhammer> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server:
[12:39] <MessiahAngel> frostburn > error solved
[12:39] <savvas> Redhammer: ah wait
[12:39] <frostburn> MessiahAngel, reinstall grub?
[12:39] <Redhammer> savvas: yes
[12:39] <savvas> Redhammer: paste the log output to http://pastebin.ca
[12:39] <MessiahAngel> frostburn > no, simply edited it
[12:39] <frostburn> MessiahAngel, even better
[12:39] <Redhammer> which logplease
[12:39] <MessiahAngel> frostburn > the line initrd was missing
[12:40] <frostburn> yes, ramdrive is important
[12:40] <niwt> dwangoac: I found it, and it looks like the same problem I had
[12:40] <savvas> Redhammer: this one that you just pasted.. is there no more after "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server:" ?
[12:40] <MessiahAngel> so i added it and it worked fine
[12:40] <dwangoac> niwt: Welcome back
[12:40] <zx80user> sound is badly fscked. Knew I should have waited
[12:40] <Redhammer> done http://pastebin.ca/739175
[12:40] <dwangoac> niwt: Glad to hear I'm not the only one.  I'm ignoring that issue for now and just making sure I slap my hands every time my fingers wander towards Ctrl + Alt +Fx
[12:41] <savvas> Redhammer: nothing after that?
[12:41] <MessiahAngel> frostburn > i'll go post this solution in forums, that might help others getting this error
[12:41] <Redhammer> then it goes on about mythtv
[12:41] <niwt> lol
[12:41] <Redhammer> but nothing helpful
[12:41] <Redhammer> I think
[12:41] <WorkingOnWise> savvas: actually, it's one of those apps that a screenshot would'nt tell the tale. Install it and see. Add it to your panel. If you have 2 items that both say "Main Menu", the correct one has a computer icon.
[12:41] <dwangoac> niwt: Anyway, I've confirmed that from multiple computers elsewhere in the lab I can't SSH in or otherwise get to my laptop; all outbound communication works fine however (as in the case of switching my laptop to be the synergy client)
[12:41] <niwt> I got rid of vga=791
[12:41] <savvas> Redhammer: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server-5.0
[12:42] <Redhammer> thx will try that
[12:42] <dwangoac> niwt: The notes seem to imply that fix does not work on an nVidia based laptop
[12:42] <filthpig> I'm considering buying a new mb and cpu (well I have to, my current setup went to Iraq earlier today. Seems it was allergic to a RAM chip I got hold of :s) Anyhoo, should I go for an Intel/nvidia or AMD/nvidia setup? I will never leave the nvidia graphics ;)
[12:42] <savvas> WorkingOnWise: ah ok :p
[12:42] <niwt> dwangoac:  nvidia desktop here
[12:42] <daekdroom> were there updates for gutsy today?
[12:42] <dwangoac> niwt: I see.  So, do you happen to know of any firewall type things or funny iptable rules that are shipping by default with Gutsy?
[12:42] <niwt> hang on
[12:43] <dwangoac> niwt: Take your time - I appreciate the help
[12:43] <nickrud> dwangoac: have you told ssh to allow connections? (listen address in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[12:44] <niwt> dwangoac:  no firewall rules in default install
[12:44] <niwt> heh, you probably think I know what I'm talking about
[12:44] <daekdroom> were there updates for gutsy today?
[12:44] <niwt> daekdroom: I think so
[12:44] <gnomefreak> daekdroom: we are frozen for release
[12:44] <niwt> this morning seems like a long time ago
[12:44] <daekdroom> gnomefreak: ah, ok
[12:44] <Hammy_> Hey
[12:44] <gnomefreak> you may only see a couple a day until after release
[12:44] <Hammy_> I have a simple question
[12:45] <gnomefreak> Hammy_: ?
[12:45] <dwangoac> nickrud: I don't honestly remember changing it - let me check
[12:45] <savvas> Redhammer: if that doesn't work: sudo apt-get -f install
[12:45] <vixyfox> If you turn on Desktop Cube, how do you display it?
[12:45] <vixyfox> *is feeling really stupid*
[12:45] <savvas> vixyfox: all in the key bindings
[12:45] <gnomefreak> niwt: im getting that way although it will be the first time (atleast since breezy) we made the exact date
[12:45] <savvas> the keyboard shortcuts
[12:45] <Hammy_> gnomefreak: my question is can i use any .exe programs using Wine for gusty???i just downloaded it(the Wine for gusty)
[12:45] <gnomefreak> we are normally a day off
[12:46] <vixyfox> Savvas: I tried looking there, I couldn't find any
[12:46] <gnomefreak> Hammy_: some of them yes
[12:46] <Hammy_> what do you mean some of them?
[12:46] <niwt> I think a day or two off is not a bad thing
[12:46] <ggilbert> Hammy_: Not all programs will work properly in wine
[12:46] <Hammy_> so a program like aim.exe will tht work?
[12:46] <gnomefreak> Hammy_: wine doesnt support all apps. see #winehq and ask if it supports your app
[12:46] <ggilbert> Some will and some won't. You mostly just have to try it and see.
[12:46] <savvas> vixyfox: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=494548
[12:46] <Redhammer> @savvas no luck
[12:46] <gnomefreak> Hammy_: it might #winehq is best place for that
[12:46] <Hammy_> gnomefreak:thnx
[12:47] <vixyfox> Thank you Savvas :D
[12:47] <Redhammer> no idea but not starting mysql server
[12:47] <Hammy_> ggilbert:thnx
[12:47] <gnomefreak> Hammy_: use gaim
[12:47] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> or my fav. naim
[12:47] <Hammy_> gnomefreak: thnx for the tip but it was an example, i will use that now though since i didnt know about it lolz
[12:48] <ViVeRANT> vivyfox: also make sure you have setup 4 separate workspaces or you will just rotate between 2 windows and not a cube. I ran into that as I got fusion up today...
[12:48] <savvas> Redhammer: does it say which dependencies are not available?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> Hammy_: i know it was example hence the reason i cant give you a straight answer ;)
[12:49] <filthpig> I'm considering buying a new mb and cpu (well I have to, my current setup went to Iraq earlier today. Seems it was allergic to a RAM chip I got hold of :s) Anyhoo, should I go for an Intel/nvidia or AMD/nvidia setup? I will never leave the nvidia graphics ;)
[12:49] <Hammy_> lolz ok
[12:50] <savvas> Redhammer: maybe this document helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[12:50] <Redhammer> thanks checking it
[12:50] <Redhammer> log said next to nothing I am afraid
[12:51] <Cidan> uh
[12:51] <Cidan> so if you mount /boot on another filesystem
[12:51] <Cidan> 7.10 goes nuts
[12:51] <Cidan> clean install
[12:51] <dwangoac> nickrud: OK, it's been at least a year, but I'm poking around in sshd_config and I don't see anything I'd need to change to ensure SSH is open
[12:52] <weirdbro> How do I make the network manager try to store keys into the "login" keyring instead of the old "default" keyring?
[12:52] <nickrud> dwangoac: ListenAddress, I had to enable that and set it to <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:52] <vixyfox> What is the super key?
[12:52] <mc44> vixyfox: the windows key
[12:52] <nickrud> vixyfox: the windows key on the left
[12:53] <Angelus> guys, i tried to install kubuntu gutsy but it doesn't recocnize my Geforce8400GS, instead of bootup splash the monitor turns of , then when its gonna go into KDE it turns back on and crashes with a blank monitor, this problem is with kubuntu feisty too, i installed kubuntu feisty in text mode and crashed when i tried to start X with the nvidia-glx drivers, anyhelp ? :S
[12:53] <compilerwriter> I have had a bad experience in an update to the rc.  I have a copy of the iso on cdrom is there a way to use it to try to finish the upgrade?
[12:53] <Cidan> man
[12:53] <mc44> compilerwriter: you can only use the alternate cd to upgrade
[12:53] <Cidan> Gusty really needs to be pushed back
[12:53] <Cidan> :/
[12:53] <compilerwriter> How does one do that mc44 that is what I have
[12:54] <gnomefreak> Cidan: it will be fine for release
[12:54] <socketbind> hi, how do i say politely that the font config dialog goes nuts?
[12:54] <dwangoac> nickrud: Enabled by removing # and restarted ssh - same access denied message; I can connect on the local system.
[12:54] <mc44> compilerwriter: add the cd to your sources.list
[12:54] <gnomefreak> !upgrade | compilerwriter
[12:54] <ubotu> compilerwriter: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - Please join #ubuntu+1 for questions about upgrading to Gutsy, and use #ubuntu for "normal" support only
[12:54] <mc44> compilerwriter: sudo apt-cdrom add
[12:54] <weirdbro> How do I make the network manager try to store keys into the "login" keyring instead of the old "default" keyring?
[12:54] <Redhammer> savvas thanks for all your help still having no luck
[12:54] <socketbind> would like to file a bug but english is not my native language : \
[12:54] <Angelus> will it be fine for my problem too on release gnomefreak ?
[12:54] <nickrud> dwangoac: sudo iptables -L will list any rules you have running. Gotta step out for about 10 min, work. brb
[12:55] <`23meg> anyone running compiz on a nvidia Geforce Go6200 (mobile)?
[12:55] <dwangoac> nickrud: Nothing listed under any of the chains, etc. - looks to be empty, which is puzzling the crap out of me
[12:55] <daekdroom> `23meg: it will probably run, but it will eat your notebook's battery =P
[12:55] <gunny> `23meg: im on a 6800 g0
[12:55] <vixyfox> Angelus: Have you tried hitting F11 when the screen goes black? I had a similar problem with my GeForce 8600GTS
[12:56] <dwangoac> I'm going to reboot (which won't affect this IRC session) - BRB
[12:56] <compilerwriter> ok mc44 did that
[12:56] <`23meg> daekdroom, it does run, but performance is low
[12:56] <Angelus> what happens if i hit F11 vixyfox ?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> Angelus: it will be fine for release is what i meant. each user will have a prolem with any release doesnt mean it should hold back a full release, fixes can be made after release for certain issues. if you have an issue report it on launchpad.net and when they look it over they will decide when it can be fixed
[12:56] <`23meg> gunny, how is performance?
[12:56] <daekdroom> 6800 is way faster than 6200 mobile...
[12:56] <vixyfox> Angelus: I'm not too sure, but when I hit F11, it ends up displaying the screen so that I can at least work and finally gotten the nvidia drivers installed properly
[12:56] <compilerwriter> mc44 now what
[12:56] <savvas> Redhammer: I frankly believe that you haven't tried everything, especially what it says "after installing mysql": https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#head-39085275bc28194cca77d021ec362ff3003b10bc
[12:56] <gunny> `23meg: no probs very happy with it
[12:56] <mc44> compilerwriter: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:57] <`23meg> does performance differ a lot between mobiles and non-mobiles?
[12:57] <mc44> compilerwriter: assuming you're half way through upgrade
[12:57] <Angelus> vixyfox: do you know how to install the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com? i couldn't get them to work
[12:57] <savvas> Redhammer: does this command return any errors: sudo apt-get -f install
[12:57] <Redhammer> savvas: done that sorry to disappoint
[12:57] <Cidan> in grub
[12:57] <gnomefreak> right now main issues would be kernel, boot, dbus, hald, ect... apps issues can wait unless it prevents a user from using Gutsy (not by choice)
[12:57] <Redhammer> same errors
[12:57] <vixyfox> Angelus: Don't do it that way, your sure to get bad results
[12:57] <Cidan> root in menu.lst has to point to /boot?
[12:57] <Cidan> or to the /
[12:57] <daekdroom> `23meg: we can say 8700 mobile is faster than 8400 normal, mobile is a high efficience tendence =P
[12:57] <Cidan> filesystem?
[12:57] <Angelus> vixyfox: its my only way. the kubuntu drivers doesn't support my card
[12:57] <vixyfox> Andgelus: Best way to do it, is once you are done, enable restricted driver access.
[12:58] <gnomefreak> Angelus: whats wrong with ubuntu drivers?
[12:58] <vixyfox> Angelus: One moment and I'll give you the exact things you need to put in ;)
[12:58] <Angelus> gnomefreak: they don't support my card
[12:58] <savvas> Redhammer: ok: apt-cache policy mysql-server
[12:58] <itrebal> what is the name of the fancy graphics (ie: what does it use, compiz, beryl, etc)?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> Angelus: what card?
[12:58] <Cidan> Does anyone know where "root" in menu.lst for each OS has to point to?  /boot/ or /?
[12:58] <daekdroom> compiz-fusion
[12:58] <ViVeRANT> compiz-fusion
[12:58] <weirdbro> itrebal: compiz fusion
[12:58] <Angelus> GeForce 8400 GS pci-e gnomefreak
[12:58] <itrebal> thanks :P
[12:58] <compilerwriter> mc44 that was about where I was.  When that finishes then what?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> your right and neither do nvidia's drivers atm
[12:58] <mc44> compilerwriter: then reboot and hope for the best? :)
[12:58] <`23meg> daekdroom, thanks
[12:58] <itrebal> is there a way to enable The Cube? or does it not have one, yet?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> seeing as they are the same drivers that nvidia released
[12:59] <mc44> compilerwriter: backup anything vital first :)
[12:59] <Angelus> gnomefreak: wrong. nvidia drivers does. i install them on gentoo
[12:59] <compilerwriter> I should remove the cdrom though before the reboot correct?  mc44
[12:59] <Angelus> and worked fine :)
[12:59] <savvas> Cidan: mine says: root            (hd0,0)
[12:59] <ViVeRANT> itrebal: It would be in the Advanced Desktop Settings Menu if you have the manager installed
[12:59] <mc44> compilerwriter: shouldn't really matter, just don't boot from the cd
[12:59] <Cidan> yes but you don't have /boot/ on a different partition
[12:59] <Cidan> I do
[12:59] <Cidan> :P
[12:59] <ggilbert>  nvidia's drivers/hardware currently have some pretty nasty bugs with compiz fusion.
[12:59] <savvas> Cidan: well.. root            (hd0,1) ?:)
[12:59] <vixyfox> Angelus: Your going to want to do the following. Open up Terminal. Then type in "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-new" Then when that's done, type "sudo aptitude install nvidia-settings" Then "sudo aptitude install nvidia-xconfig"
[12:59] <gnomefreak> Angelus: we cant change the drivers so it nvidia-glx-new doesnt support them than nvidia's drivers version 100.14.19 wont
[01:00] <Cidan> yeah, but do I need to do that, is what I wonder
[01:00] <Cidan> no nm
[01:00] <gnomefreak> Angelus: if they do that that version will work in ubuntu
[01:00] <Redhammer> trying that
[01:00] <Redhammer> thanks for your persistance
[01:00] <Angelus> gnomefreak: it does. i tried them and they worked on another distro
[01:00] <gnomefreak> Angelus: Closed source means we cant change the source
[01:00] <Angelus> on kubuntu they didn't the screen just went blank
[01:00] <itrebal> ViVeRANT: compizconfig-settings-manager I assume?
[01:00] <Angelus> gnomefreak: it means they are not uptodate the kubuntu drivers
[01:00] <gnomefreak> Angelus: they are the same drivers differnent kernel modules
[01:00] <vixyfox> Angelus: Have you tried what I wrote down?
[01:00] <weirdbro> How do I make the network manager try to store keys into the "login" keyring instead of the old "default" keyring?
[01:01] <itrebal> oh, found it
[01:01] <savvas> Redhammer: does it say "Installed: 5.0.45-1ubuntu3" ?
[01:01] <ViVeRANT> itreval: correct
[01:01] <itrebal> thanks :)
[01:01] <Angelus> yes vixyfox
[01:01] <ViVeRANT> sorry itrebal
[01:01] <gnomefreak> Angelus: nvidia's latest release was 100.14.19
[01:01] <itrebal> :)
[01:01] <vixyfox> Angelus: I don't know what is wrong then, my 8600GTS card is working fine after doing that
[01:01] <gnomefreak> ubuntus latest release is same
[01:01] <vixyfox> Angelus: you made sure to enable restricted drivers?
[01:01] <Angelus> then there is something in kubuntu that hates my card gnomefreak , cause in gentoo everything worked perfect
[01:01] <Redhammer> yes
[01:02] <Angelus> vixyfox: kubuntu doesnt have that
[01:02] <Angelus> only ubuntu has it
[01:02] <Redhammer>  sudo apt-cache policy mysql-server
[01:02] <Redhammer> mysql-server:
[01:02] <Redhammer>   Installed: (none)
[01:02] <Redhammer>   Candidate: 5.0.45-1ubuntu3
[01:02] <Redhammer>   Version table:
[01:02] <Redhammer>      5.0.45-1ubuntu3 0
[01:02] <Redhammer>         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[01:02] <vixyfox> Angelus: Does Kubuntu not have their own channel then?
[01:02] <Redhammer> well no and yes, I am trying but it fails to install obviously
[01:03] <Redhammer> let me see I will try a reboot and just try and reset veryting
[01:03] <Angelus> vixyfox: i tried ,. no one answered, thats why im giving a try to gutsy RC , but seems the same problem, no its worst, since gutsy doesnt have a text installer i can't even install it cause it crashes in the live cd cause of the driver issue
[01:03] <gnomefreak> Angelus: you do as you wish but the drivers are the same the kernel modules may not be. so feel free to build them but your nvidia drivers will not be supported by ubuntu and you will build them on ever kernel update
[01:03] <savvas> Redhammer: try this: sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.0 && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[01:03] <gnomefreak> Angelus: try in #nvidia
[01:03] <gnomefreak> gutsy has a text installer
[01:03] <savvas> RedKrieg: paste me the log output to http://pastebin.ca
[01:03] <gnomefreak> its the alternate cd
[01:04] <mc44> the text installer is the same as ever
[01:04] <savvas> oops
[01:04] <gnomefreak> he left
[01:04] <savvas> he left :s
[01:04] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:04] <savvas> thanks :P
[01:04] <gnomefreak> hey pointing out whats right in front of your face is easy ;)
[01:04] <dwangoac> niwt: I got it!
[01:05] <niwt> ok, spill!
[01:05] <savvas> party leftover :p
[01:05] <niwt> I'm editing my intramfs-tools/modules right now
[01:05] <dwangoac> niwt: Turns out it was because bcm43xx-fwcutter didn't cut the right firmware file for my wireless adapter, but eth1 was still present
[01:05] <gnomefreak> happy birthday btw
[01:05] <savvas> thanks :)
[01:05] <gnomefreak> savvas: get ready there will be a party in a day or 2
[01:05] <dwangoac> niwt: For whatever reason, it put my system in a state where some traffic was going down a dead-end eth1, because it was neither up nor down yet present
[01:05] <savvas> gutsy final? hehe
[01:05] <niwt> wow
[01:05] <gnomefreak> we get to open up our release channel
[01:06] <gnomefreak> savvas: yeah
[01:06] <dwangoac> niwt: I didn't know that was possible...  Anyway, I cut the right firmware and rebooted - problem went away
[01:06] <niwt> cool, congrats
[01:06] <savvas> gnomefreak: let the "I got no graphical desktop!" deluge us then :p
[01:06] <gnomefreak> :)
[01:07] <Creationist> How do I access my hard drives from a Live CD?  I can't even mount them: "refused uid 999"
[01:07] <savvas> I surely hope they fixed the restricted compatibility as much as they could
[01:07] <gnomefreak> Creationist: with a chroot normally see !grub
[01:07] <Creationist> !grub
[01:07] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:07] <savvas> wb Redhammer
[01:07] <gnomefreak> savvas: depends on what restricted modules you mean
[01:07] <nickrud> dwangoac: ah, I see you're up. An orthogonal problem ;)
[01:08] <Redhammer> yes hello savvas I am still trying
[01:08] <woodwizzle> I'm running Gutsy 64-bit and I cannot get any video players to play DVDs
[01:08] <woodwizzle> i've tried VLC, Ogle, Mplayer, and Totem
[01:08] <gnomefreak> woodwizzle: you need libdvdcss2
[01:08] <savvas> gnomefreak: I heard there still are problems with ati drivers :\
[01:08] <gnomefreak> savvas: thats ati not us if you mean for compiz and such
[01:08] <nickrud> they work, as long as people don't get fancy
[01:08] <dwangoac> nickrud: A problem I never would have thought of, but I saw dmesg complaining about the firmware not being loaded even though I thought I had gotten that working
[01:09] <savvas> Redhammer: try this: sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.0 && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[01:09] <gnomefreak> ati has been adding support for the same thing for last 8 releases and still hasnt gotten it right
[01:09] <woodwizzle> gnomefreak: I have libdvdread3, Is libdvdcss2 in any repos?
[01:09] <savvas> Redhammer: paste me the log output to http://pastebin.ca
[01:09] <rebelThor>  hey, just upgraded to gutsy, and now both cedega and wine stopped working on my Warcraft III :(
[01:09] <gnomefreak> woodwizzle: no
[01:09] <mc44> !dvd | woodwizzle
[01:09] <ubotu> woodwizzle: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:09] <niwt> dwangoac:  ok, gonna try a reboot now - thanks for the help
[01:09] <gnomefreak> !dvd | woodwizzle
[01:10] <Creationist> Also, after reinstalling GRUB, I can no longer boot Linux.  Error 17 (partition could not be loaded, or something similar)
[01:10] <gnomefreak> brb going to enjoy the e-cake ty savvas ;)
[01:10] <savvas> gnomefreak: ah ok, no idea, I'm glad I use nvidia though, but it still works :)
[01:10] <dwangoac> er.. I should be tahnking niwt for the help, but I'll thank nickrud instead :)
[01:10] <savvas> haha oki doki
[01:10] <nickrud> dwangoac: heh.
[01:12] <Redhammer> http://pastebin.ca/739210 there is a line about #
[01:12] <Redhammer> 071017  0:10:30 [ERROR]  /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown option '--skip-external-locsudo gedit /etc/mysql/my.cnfking' I am checking that now
[01:12] <dwangoac> nickrud: I bet.  It would have been easier to get to this point if the system didn't crash every time I tried opening an out-of-X console - they really need to fix that before they release.
[01:12] <nickrud> dwangoac: ati?
[01:13] <dwangoac> nickrud: nVidia laptop
[01:13] <savvas> Redhammer: that sounds more like a bug to me
[01:13] <Ertai88> Does Gutsy work with 256MB of RAM?
[01:13] <savvas> Redhammer: hold a sec
[01:13] <dwangoac> !system requirements
[01:14] <nickrud> dwangoac: ah. I had a similar issue with ati, by removing splash from the kernel lines I got consoles back
[01:14] <savvas> Redhammer: I'll install it here and we'll see what happens
[01:14] <Ertai88> I read them, it said I needed 358MB or something similar, but I'm wondering if it'll work install and work properly with 256.
[01:14] <dwangoac> nickrud: Yeah, with this particular combination it's even worse - even removing the vga=791 line still doesn't help as it just hard-crashes as soon as you switch over
[01:15] <nickrud> that sucks
[01:15] <dwangoac> indeed
[01:15] <cafuego> Ertai88: it would, but probably not the Gnome version. I'd use XUbuntu instead.
[01:15] <dwangoac> But, things are at least workable for now.  Thanks again for the help - I need to get back to work.  Later!
[01:15] <nickrud> Ertai88: it'll work, but will get into swap thrashing pretty easily with more than a few apps open
[01:16] <Ertai88> Swap trashing?
[01:16] <cafuego> Ertai88: Using  alot of virtual memory, making it slow.
[01:16] <nickrud> thrashing: too many apps wanting to be in ram
[01:17] <Ertai88> Ok, thanks
[01:17] <Creationist> I'm having a problem with GRUB.  After installing Windows and then following the !grub tutorial to fix the boot loader, I now get an Error 17 when trying to boot into my Linux partition.  Can anyone shed any light on this?
[01:19] <weirdbro> Creationist - http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=120802
[01:20] <savvas> Creationist: also http://justlinux.com/forum/showpost.php?p=869980&postcount=6 :P
[01:20] <lee986321> LiMaO just wanted to say thanks...Now I can view Mt St hellens web cam lol
[01:21] <lee986321> eh I see it touched off quite a controversy though lol


[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[09:55] <czajkowski> bkerensa: booo Us centric community :) be nice to folks over in emea :)
[09:55] <czajkowski> re mozdrive
[15:58] <jono> dpm, free for our call?
[16:01] <dpm> jono, yep
[16:01] <jono> dpm, can you throw me a link?
[16:08] <dholbach> all right my friends - I have to run and prepare a few things for a wedding on Saturday - see you tomorrow!
[18:47] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Not US centric the person who launched the drive just happens to be U.S. based currently... There will likely be a drive in Europe :)
[18:49] <bkerensa> czajkowski: our European community is far bigger than NA anyways (Mozilla Community Spaces in London, Berlin, Slovenia, Paris and more)
[19:47] <pleia2> mhall119, balloons - happy to do an on air thing later in August (2nd or 3rd week)
[19:48] <pleia2> a new leadership team for Ubuntu Women is coming in soon too, I'm not on it, so it may be nice to ask them too
[19:48] <pleia2> I can talk about Xubuntu and News though :)
[19:48] <balloons> pleia2, awesome..
[20:13] <mhall119> pleia2: thanks, the Kubuntu update went over really well, I'm sure a Xubuntu one would too
[20:45] <mhall119> bkerensa: could Canonical use the Mozilla Location Service? I didn't see any legal terms or service, but on /api is says it's open to "...non-commercial open-source applications..."
[20:46] <bkerensa> mhall119: So yeah I would check on the specifics... I think it could definitely be worked out
[20:47] <bkerensa> mhall119: ask in #geo on irc.mozilla.org?
[20:48] <bkerensa> mhall119: but yeah Nokia HERE is not a entire complete AGPS provider there are continents with gaps in what they have mapped
[20:49] <bkerensa> mhall119: also in addition to Mozilla's thousands of Geo contributors there is sharing of data from other apps and projects
[20:49] <bkerensa> https://wiki.mozilla.org/CloudServices/Location/Bootstrap


[02:55] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:09] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[07:18] <ducasse> good morning
[07:50] <marcoagpinto> ducasse: Hey
[07:50] <marcoagpinto> :)
[07:50] <marcoagpinto> 1 year and 1 month for 22.04 LTS :((((((((
[07:51] <marcoagpinto> it seems like an eternity
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: 22.04 devel version starts earlier then 1y you could help bug out early too
[10:02] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhhhh :)
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> after 21.10 release wont take long for 22.04 devel
[12:56] <imrjd> asking again, how many are on 20.04 LTS release?
[12:59] <oerheks> There are no clear statistics, nor download, nor update stats, some opt-in and this is the result https://ubuntu.com/desktop/statistics
[12:59] <oerheks> no 16/18/20 lts figures
[12:59] <imrjd> ahaa
[13:00] <oerheks> * there used to be a wikipedia browser/OS stats, but those are old, no longer maintained
[13:00] <imrjd> are you part of the linux counter
[13:01] <oerheks> i run multiple versions, not added to the statistics
[13:01] <oerheks> old; https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm
[13:01] <imrjd> can we avoid snap and use only deb packages in ubuntu?
[13:02] <oerheks> maybe you can remove snapd, but then you will not get all software available
[13:05] <imrjd> i know you oerheks by your nick name ? seen you here before also
[13:10] <imrjd> you, eric and blues
[15:10] <leftyfb> the linux counter project closed over 2 years ago
[15:11] <leftyfb> actually over 3 years ago
[15:12] <leftyfb> I actually tried teaching out to the maintainer to help keep it hosted and going but didn't get a reply


[05:41] <kram_> red dwarf back?!?!
[07:26] <directhex> kram_: on Dave. so YMMV as to quality
[07:28] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:38] <directhex> is it?
[07:42]  * brobostigon points at the clock on his computr, 08:42am.
[09:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[09:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, ping
[09:37] <ikonia> yes ?
[09:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, pm?
[09:37] <ikonia> ok
[09:37] <ikonia> if it's needed
[09:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well sort of
[09:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, actually pm me since on tablet it's not as easy
[09:38] <ikonia> ok,
[09:43] <SuperEngineer> ....& so they pm'd and lived happily efter after [until the pm ended and the am started]
[09:48] <popey> bow chicka wow wow
[09:48] <zmoylan-pi> and there was much reconnecting...
[10:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SuperEngineer, yes we pm'd untill it was over,  it just finnished
[10:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, why haven't I got an actsual email by the way yet from Canonical to do with the pack ?
[10:28] <SuperEngineer> SebthreeBQM10HD: what? you didn't recieve the secret address posted here while you were away?
[10:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SuperEngineer, uhmm a secret address for what?
[10:29] <SuperEngineer> well, if you persist in doing "it" until "it" was over...
[10:30] <SuperEngineer> a secret address for your email
[10:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SuperEngineer, you were the one commenting about us pm 'ing h e h
[10:30] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[10:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SuperEngineer, as for a secret address,  I don't remember putting one into the form for  event freebies, so Canonical will need my secret address then :D
[11:13] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: dunno, will ask tomorrow when I am at work
[11:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, right ok good :)
[16:38] <diddledan> something is wonky with my ubuntu install. shortly after bootup it loses it's ipv4 address but retains ipv6. Telling network manager to reconnect the interface regains the ipv4 and the network connection then stays up until I reboot
[17:43] <diddledan> lol, Microsoft have a cute penguin in the Skype for Linux about box: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lmYvb66S/the%20skype%20linux%20about%20box
[17:44] <zmoylan-pi> trying to reclaim the oppositions icon...
[17:52]  * penguin42 is sure he's seen that penguin somewhere before
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> don't they all look the same?
[17:57] <penguin42> not to penguins
[17:58] <zmoylan-pi> well... you would say that... :-P
[19:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[19:32] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: i hate to point it out, but the creator of tux works for microsoft, so "reclaim"?
[19:32] <directhex> also, yes, that skype about box penguin is my everything
[19:33] <zmoylan-pi> a lot of linux/foss developers have/currently worked for ms... their work doesn't automatically belong to ms because of that
[19:47] <ali1234> tux shows up in some weird places
[19:48] <zmoylan-pi> i got a penguin pez dispenser for a mate who uses linux at work in a mostly ms shop.  he loves it
[19:49] <zmoylan-pi> bonus is he's vegetarian and it's one of the few sweets that is kosher with that...
[19:53] <ali1234> http://i.imgur.com/kqPwtss.png
[19:54] <ali1234> that's clearly the larry ewing tux
[19:54] <zmoylan-pi> i have a dog toy squeaky penguin that i use for pub meetups.  always flushes out the linux heads.
[20:45] <diddledan> http://m.xkcd.com/1737/
[20:55] <zmoylan-pi> a lot of people throw out computers when they get infected... i know a lot of unix users who got their hardware that way...
[20:59] <shivers> hey! I know that nick from another channel zmoylan-pi :)
[21:00] <shivers> Didn't know you could be found here too
[21:05] <zmoylan-pi> i hang out in a few channels on a couple of irc servers
[21:07] <shivers> Apparently so. Well so do I when it comes to it
[21:08] <shivers> I am configuring a new IRC client so I've found a few new channels to visit, hence my stopping by here
[21:08] <shivers> Also, I installed Ubuntu on a new box I built this weekend
[21:08] <popey> welcome to the madhouse
[21:09] <shivers> Thanks, I think
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> oooh quassel.... haven't used that on in ages...
[21:09] <shivers> Yup. New to me
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> i used it when i had mac, windows and linux at same time as the client worked on all 3
[21:09] <shivers> I planned on using what I know, weechat and tmux or screen
[21:09] <shivers> Mmm. I have all 3 of those OS's running right now
[21:10] <zmoylan-pi> so there was no mental gymnastics when swapping os for a task
[21:10] <shivers> Windows for gaming, mac for mobility, and now Ubuntu
[21:10] <zmoylan-pi> meanwhile my pi keeps on pi....ing
[21:10] <shivers> heh
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> though my lowest client isn't the pi but my nokia dumbphone with a java irc client on it for mobile use
[21:12] <shivers> Gosh. That's old skool
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> when i tried irc on an android phone i could run down the battery a lot by using irc for an hour or two.  the nokia lasts days in irc if i leave it...
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> and it doubles as a +1 bludgeon weapon in a zombie apocalypse...
[21:14] <shivers> that's always handy
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> or skynet sending terminators so it's a twofer :-P
[21:15] <shivers> Not sure a Nokia is the preferred weapon against a Terminator, but I'm willing to let you test it
[21:15] <zmoylan-pi> or assembling ikea furniture that needs a panel pin banged in...  Is there anything I need to know about Ubuntu? I haven't used linux at all in a couple years now. Started with slack in early 90s tho and has used *nixes a lot over the years
[21:18] <shivers> I am brushing up on apt commands, but besides that I'm not sure what I need to know
[21:18] <zmoylan-pi> ubuntu is still a great distro.  if you don't like the unity desktop try xubuntu which is more win2000 windows classic themed, on a ancient system try lubuntu as it uses less resources for shiny whizz bang effects
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> other that that it just works
[21:19] <shivers> I am not all that fuzzed about the looks of a desktop environment as long as I get hold of a decent terminal client
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> as long as you don't try and install it on a lenovo system running windows signature edition... :-P
[21:20] <shivers> hehe
[21:20] <shivers> That stirred up twitter for sure
[21:20] <zmoylan-pi> well, it's linux, if you don't like a terminal client there'll be another one along in a minute
[21:20] <shivers> Mmm. True enough
[21:21] <shivers> I installed 16.04 LTS on this one. Didn't research the best flavour in advance, but this looks decent
[21:27] <zmoylan-pi> there's been some hullaballoo over systemd but it seems to have died down a bit
[21:29] <shivers> Yeah. I followed that at a distance. Lots of chatter about systemd in archlinux circles. That was the last linux OS I used.
[21:30] <shivers> A definite departure from the BSD roots


[05:02] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: hey, ping me tomorrow once you're available, so we can talk about the interviews :)
[05:03] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, will do that's what I am working on now
[05:03] <akgraner> but I am about to turn in
[05:04] <JoseeAntonioR> ok@
[05:04] <JoseeAntonioR> !
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning


[02:20] <sethj> Hmm. Does this (http://i.imgur.com/8gJyxs0.png) constitute a failure? I bet it's just my finicky graphics..
[02:59] <balloons> sethj, I'd go ahead and report it as your doing
[03:01] <sethj> balloons, I'm afraid I don't exactly understand what you mean by that :-/
[03:02] <balloons> sethj, I'd file the bug.. compiz crashed
[03:02] <sethj> Okay. I'll see what I can do.
[03:03] <sethj> Isn't that the expected behaviour when you need a driver though?
[03:19] <sethj> balloons, I just realized that I didn't give the VM permission to use 3D acceleration. Should I try again?
[03:20] <balloons> compiz crashing is never expected ;-)
[03:20] <balloons> and no, 3d accel isn't required
[03:20] <balloons> it will be slow without out it but it needs to work
[03:30] <sethj> Hm. OK.
[09:32] <DanChapman> Good Morning :-)
[09:33] <elfy> hi DanChapman
[09:34] <DanChapman> elfy, hey I see you tagged xubuntu to ubiquity autopilot test once i've finished for ubuntu I will run it against xubuntu and see if it needs any mods :-)
[09:42] <elfy> I tagged a bunch of stuff with xubuntu - so that people from my end looking at it don't have to go searching :)
[09:45] <Noskcaj> i'll test the autopilot ubiquity tomorrow. for now, i have a rugby game to watch
[09:45]  * Noskcaj is away: I'm either at school or soccer. or i just don't like you.
[09:46] <Noskcaj> stupid xchat
[13:51] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[13:51] <SergioMeneses> hey elfy
[13:51] <DanChapman> Morning SergioMeneses
[13:51] <SergioMeneses> DanChapman, \o
[14:04] <elfy> hi SergioMeneses
[14:05] <SergioMeneses> elfy, thanks for the gnumeric testcase :)
[14:05] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, \o
[14:05] <smartboyhw> Hello SergioMeneses and elfy :)
[14:05] <elfy> SergioMeneses: welcome - wait for the next half before thanking me though :D
[14:05] <DanChapman> Hey smartboyhw
[14:05] <smartboyhw> Hey DanChapman
[14:05] <SergioMeneses> elfy, jajaja you're right
[14:06] <SergioMeneses> maybe I can give you a hand next time :
[14:06] <SergioMeneses> :)
[14:06] <elfy> not sure how to keep such a testcase below 100 miles long ...
[14:06] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, hows everything?
[14:06] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, great.
[14:06] <smartboyhw> I'm about to get a 2 to 1 session on Autopilot on coming Tuesday.
[14:06] <smartboyhw> So I can start working on Ubuntu Touch Apps testing:)
[14:07] <DanChapman> smartboyhw, sounds good!! :)
[14:08] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, nice!
[14:08] <smartboyhw> pleia2, ping...
[14:08] <SergioMeneses> I wish to have time enough to play with testing more often
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Well, it's post-exam, so I have more free tume.
[14:09] <smartboyhw> s/tume/time/
[14:10] <DanChapman> has any one else been having real big issues with kvm and virtualbox on saucy? They both keep dying on me.
[14:10] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, hmm that's weird.
[14:10] <smartboyhw> KVM shouldn't die.
[14:11] <elfy> vb - no issues here DanChapman
[14:12] <SergioMeneses> http://test.ubuntu-discourse.org/latest/
[14:12] <SergioMeneses> DanChapman, virtualbox works 100%
[14:12] <DanChapman> vb the graphics just completely go and kvm just locks up on me and cant get input
[14:12] <smartboyhw> BTW guys to remind you: Our first classroom sessions (5 of them) will be held Monday.
[14:12] <elfy> SergioMeneses: seen it all :)
[14:12] <smartboyhw> However the Classroom team still hasn't done promotion, so that's why I needed to ping pleia2 ....
[14:13] <JoseeAntonioR> smartboyhw: I will do later on if you want.
[14:13]  * JoseeAntonioR runs to school
[14:13] <DanChapman> Ive had to resort to VMware player which seems to be ok for now.
[14:13] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, I dont know if I may attend :S but I'll do my best
[14:13] <smartboyhw> JoseeAntonioR, school? Saturday!?
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Meh...
[14:13] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, sure:)
[14:13] <JoseeAntonioR> smartboyhw: yes, I need to work on not-study things :)
[14:13]  * JoseeAntonioR runs
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Poor hi,..
[14:14] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, you have much free time
[14:14] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, yep.
[14:17] <smartboyhw> phillw, are you here?
[14:18] <phillw> smartboyhw:  yes
[14:19] <smartboyhw> phillw, you did tell pleia2 what to post in the Classroom blog right?
[14:19] <smartboyhw> I think I should post to Planet Ubuntu for initial promotion.
[14:22] <phillw> smartboyhw: I gave a her quick line yesterday including the links for the sessions and that it held any requirements.
[14:22] <smartboyhw> phillw, hmm...
[14:35] <phillw> smartboyhw: I think just something along the lines of 'following the successfull classroom sessions held in raring, the testing team are delighted to announce another set of classroom sessions for saucy, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Saucy/ for requirements.
[14:36] <smartboyhw> phillw, alright. I do want pleia2 to do the promotion first though. If she doesn't respond, then I shall have to do a post.
[14:58] <sethj> Hmm. Did anyone else notice that the slideshow during the install still said Raring?
[14:59] <smartboyhw> sethj, oh interesting. Report it, but I think it is still OK pre-Beta 1.
[14:59] <smartboyhw> I remember Ubuntu 12.10 have 12.04 slideshows at alpha 3 even.
[14:59] <SergioMeneses> sethj, it always happen ...but it is fixed at the end of the release
[15:00] <sethj> I figured it wasn't anything big yet.. Does it still need to be reported?
[15:01] <SergioMeneses> sethj, if you want to , but check if it was not reported
[15:01] <smartboyhw> sethj, maybe not......
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Wait till Beta 1 is better...
[15:01] <sethj> OK, I'll wait.
[15:03] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, ++
[18:02] <JoseeAntonioR> did lyz work on it?
[22:09] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: today is my day off ;) I'll get it posted tomorrow unless you want to
[22:10] <pleia2> 09:14:04 < phillw> pleia2: I think just something along the lines of 'following the successfull classroom sessions held in raring, the testing team are delighted to announce another set of classroom sessions for saucy, see  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Saucy/ for requirements.
[22:10] <pleia2> ^^ that's all I got :( not enough for a post
[22:10] <pleia2> so something needs to be written (I didn't realize we were taking that on, I really had hoped the team would have more for us)
[22:10] <pleia2> anyway, day off ->
[22:18] <phillw> pleia2: shame you did not state earlier, I had tried to give plenty of time and smatyboyhw was willing to do a write up. We live and learn, I've had more than enough 'fun' getting the people to hold them and also had others do behind the scenes work for getting wiki pages set up for after the classroom sessions. Next cycle, let's us get this sorted out at vUDS so we have a clearer plan of how is expected to do what. In the meantime, I hope the
[22:20] <phillw> JoseeAntonioR: you still about?
[22:34] <sethj> Does it matter what flavor of Saucy I use to test these packages? http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/
[23:35] <phillw> sethj: if those packages are default in what ever flavour of Saucy, they can be tested. If they are not installed by default then testing them will be of lower use.
[23:41] <sethj> phillw, thanks. I was only going to test them if they were default anyway :)


[07:18] <troy_s> coz_ is quiet.
[07:19] <BHSPitMonkey> -you- are quiet.
[07:19] <BHSPitMonkey>        zing!
[07:20] <coz_> troy_s, sorry I was emailing someone
[07:20] <coz_> :)
[07:20] <troy_s> lol
[07:20] <troy_s> i have been at werk
[07:21] <troy_s> where the hell is TheSheep
[07:21] <troy_s> no development out of my end at all for the past few days.
[07:24] <coz_> troy_s, what development are you speaking of
[07:24] <troy_s> just random private bits of such and such
[07:24] <coz_> i see
[07:26] <coz_> so has anything changed at all for the ubuntu team?
[07:26] <troy_s> Not terribly important really.
[07:26] <coz_> have ny of you confronted shuttleworth
[07:26] <troy_s> Nothing to confront him on ;)
[07:26] <coz_> mm thats confusing
[07:27] <troy_s> The issues at hand simply aren't a priority for him.
[07:28] <coz_> ok I think we may be talking abou different issues. which issues are you referring ot/
[07:28] <coz_> to
[07:28] <troy_s> The art and design end of things...
[07:28] <coz_> troy_s, well of course not he is a programmer
[07:29] <troy_s> I don't exactly buy the 'discreet' archetypes approach.
[07:29] <coz_> mm
[07:29] <troy_s> I tend to think that abilities are very blurry -- society tends to put the labels on things.
[07:29] <troy_s> That said, the desire factor is certainly low.
[07:30] <troy_s> And therefore, the product of the energy is reflective of said desire -- generic drudge.
[07:30] <coz_> as i said...
[07:30] <coz_> so what is the point of the art team?
[07:30] <troy_s> There is no point.
[07:30] <troy_s> Other than to attempt and organize as you see fit
[07:31] <troy_s> and attempt to generate something that perhaps stands a hope of being less than generic sludge.
[07:31] <coz_> meaning
[07:31] <troy_s> Meaning it is a free world -- everyone has their ideas.
[07:31] <coz_> yes?
[07:31] <troy_s> Execution ultimately is the sword bearer.
[07:31] <coz_> ok?
[07:31] <troy_s> And by execution, I don't simply mean execution to achieve generic sludge.
[07:32] <troy_s> As a quick look at gnome-look would reveal about ten thousand 'themes' that are all practically identical.
[07:32] <coz_> troy_s, ok understood that...
[07:32] <troy_s> I believe it is up the individuals of the team to step up and put for progress of some form.
[07:32] <coz_> agreed
[07:33] <coz_> and how would that be organized
[07:33] <troy_s> I think if you ask a hundred people you might get a hundred different replies.
[07:33] <troy_s> Which ultimately leads to an eddy of nothingness.
[07:34] <coz_> ok troy_s how do you think it should be organized
[07:34] <troy_s> Well my background is a deeply rooted in process and documentation.
[07:34] <troy_s> So whenever I am creatively involved in projects, I tend to prod towards structure.
[07:34] <coz_> well that is a bit vague can you elaborate
[07:34] <troy_s> Erm ...
[07:35] <troy_s> Standard creative process type things.  Work from generalities to specifics over a course of time.
[07:35] <coz_> so  you see yourself a smore of a facilitator rather than an artist?
[07:35] <troy_s> Take a group of unrelated elements and attempt to join them / sort them / etc.
[07:36] <troy_s> Not exactly.  I just have seen well thought through and executed projects and haphazard ones.  I choose the former generally.
[07:37] <coz_> ok troy_s I am not as clear on what you would do though, I understand your words but am not clear on the specifics
[07:37] <troy_s> Depends on the project ultimately.
[07:38] <troy_s> When the project has a larger scope, it needs to be broken down into the smaller elements.
[07:38] <troy_s> Creatively speaking, I find it is far easier to discuss things with other like minded folks when you have a broad selection / scrapbook of material in front of you.
[07:39] <troy_s> So I almost always start with a scrapbooking approach for brainstorming.
[07:39] <coz_> and you would like to lead in this facilitaing proceedure
[07:39] <troy_s> God no.
[07:39] <coz_> ok
[07:40] <troy_s> Not interested.  Ultimately Ubuntu has no interest in being distinct nor innovative
[07:40] <troy_s> As a result, it is simply not at all interesting within my capacity.
[07:40] <coz_> really seems that is exatly what the approch was for ubuntu
[07:40] <troy_s> I don't require a job, I don't require the politics.
[07:40] <troy_s> Well... yes
[07:40] <troy_s> On one half I would completely agree with you
[07:41] <troy_s> In terms of design and scope of what the average user 'perceives' Ubuntu as being
[07:41] <troy_s> unfortunately, as soon as you get inside of this little ball of wax
[07:41] <troy_s> it becomes the battle of politics.  the kde / gnome dichotomy etc
[07:41] <troy_s> Completely irrelevant to the standard audience member.
[07:42] <troy_s> But again, point one -- Ubuntu has no target audience for its default design.
[07:42] <coz_> I am not sure it is irrelevant to them it is a preference at the very least in terms of kde and gnome
[07:42] <troy_s> It is rather like reading the GNOME human interface guidelines -- 'so that _all_ can ...' '_every_ can ...'
[07:42] <troy_s> complete fallacies.
[07:42] <troy_s> coz_ KDE and Gnome are completely irrelevant within the greater picture.
[07:43] <coz_> troy_s, so essentially, a larger plan interms of the "visuals" for ubuntu is needed
[07:43] <troy_s> if we end up driving a faction war based on superiority of desktops, the real war -- the need to get Free software into everyone's hands is completely missed.
[07:43] <troy_s> Absolutely
[07:43] <coz_> troy_s, well. with that I completely agree
[07:43] <troy_s> You can't cite lauded design attempts (for example, Apple) without citing their process.
[07:44] <troy_s> The acceptance of the design implications, the absolute attention to design issues, etc.
[07:44] <troy_s> The time, dedication, devotion, development, reworking, blah blah blah.
[07:44] <troy_s> Those things don't come from a single fellow sitting down pushing splines and outputting wallpapers.
[07:44] <troy_s> It simply doesn't work that way.
[07:45] <coz_> troy_s, true but then no one has reallt been put in that position to decide on such a plan
[07:45] <troy_s> It takes a keen awareness of the diverse pieces, the overall game plan, and the execution of that plan.
[07:45] <troy_s> Indeed.
[07:45] <troy_s> As well as have the abilities to generate that directionality.
[07:45] <coz_> so therefore all of the "pixel pushers' as you say can be and have great minds for the organization of this
[07:45] <troy_s> Hard to say... there are many approaches.
[07:46] <troy_s> Many different ideas.
[07:46] <coz_> well the appraoches will be different naturally
[07:46] <troy_s> And perhaps ultimately, many different concepts of aesthetics and design directions.
[07:46] <coz_> of course
[07:47] <coz_> well no one pays the art team to develp anything as opposed to apple
[07:47] <troy_s> I think too, we are missing a good deal of people who can use a fecking pencil.
[07:47] <troy_s> It isn't exactly about payment.
[07:47] <coz_> ???
[07:47] <coz_> the pencil??
[07:48] <troy_s> Paying someone does not guarantee results -- as you can clearly see from the output of previous instances of the buntu clans.
[07:48] <troy_s> Yes.  I fear that not enough self proclaimed 'artists' can use a pencil.
[07:48] <coz_> lol troy_s well I have seen many who could not I kind of agree with you on that
[07:49] <troy_s> Perhaps utilize mixed media -- sculpture, paint, illustration, etc.
[07:49] <troy_s> Something that extends your mind to the spheres outside of the immediate target work.
[07:49] <coz_> troy_s, well my favorite mediums happen to be pencil and clay
[07:49] <troy_s> And perhaps lets you draw inspiration / directionality by bringing more of that to the table.
[07:49] <troy_s> Yes, but you have an art degree don't you?
[07:49] <troy_s> ;)
[07:49] <coz_> yes
[07:50] <troy_s> It is one of the primary reasons that I value formal art training
[07:50] <troy_s> of the BFA variety
[07:50] <troy_s> it forces you to get your hands dirty as well as learn history and theory
[07:50] <troy_s> all of which is currently missing in this world.
[07:50] <coz_> troy_s, well I have seen many great artists who werenot educated
[07:50] <troy_s> Indeed, but that tends to be the exception rather than the rule.
[07:50] <coz_> troy_s, formal education can also be an obstruction
[07:51] <troy_s> Most people who have a vested interest in their craft tend to take it seriously enough to achieve a certain level of education.
[07:51] <troy_s> Obstructions -- again -- exceptions to the rule.
[07:51] <troy_s> If I had to say of all the folks that I know in the creative sphere with a great deal of power -- _all_ of them have degrees.
[07:52] <troy_s> Again, that culmination of practice, theory, and analysis apparently pays off on some level.
[07:52] <coz_> well thats not because of the education but the paper it is printed on
[07:52] <troy_s> Not quite following you on that one.
[07:53] <coz_> well people in positions of power who are in the field are not there because of the education they have or their abilities but rather the paper that the degree is printed on
[07:53] <coz_> at least to get into the door
[07:53] <troy_s> coz_ completely disagree with you on that one :)
[07:54] <troy_s> They are there because they are very good at their craft -- reflected by their 'rounding' of their resume.
[07:54] <coz_> well my experience says it is true i have seen it not just in the art field but many others as well
[07:55] <coz_> I would prefer tos ee thier portfolio not their resume
[07:55] <troy_s> I generally like to see both.
[07:56] <coz_> troy_s, well if I were hiring someone i woul d not go by degree only by portfolio
[07:56] <troy_s> Having a great portfolio is one thing, being able to think outside the box is almost always directly related to an academic discussion area.
[07:57] <coz_> troy_s, well not exactly in my experience... people can talk a great line but cannot produce
[07:57] <troy_s> And of course, 'great' is a relative term.
[07:57] <coz_> so is blue
[07:57] <troy_s> Indeed.
[07:58] <coz_> it is the person that can transform blue into awe that is more important than if they can describe blue
[07:58] <troy_s> I would argue that if they were painting with it, they were in fact describing it.
[07:58] <troy_s> But alas, that is a tad flakey speek for this forum ;)
[07:58] <coz_> interesting perspective
[07:59] <troy_s> And again, 'awe' -- "one man's meat is another man's poison"
[07:59] <troy_s> All just silly terms that are probably more rooted in cultural shifts than those lovely terms 'raw ability' and such.
[07:59] <coz_> again I disagree I am not an artist that believes art is subjective
[07:59] <troy_s> Timely and adept execution.
[08:00] <troy_s> coz_ then we probably sit on completely opposite ends of the polemical spectrum.
[08:00] <troy_s> Art, like everything else in this real world, is relative.
[08:00] <coz_> well the term subjective as applied to art is mainly from art dealers of that past
[08:00] <coz_> they coined a term
[08:00] <troy_s> Subject to something called the 'general theory of relativity'
[08:00] <troy_s> whereby _everything_ in the world is relative except for the speed of light.
[08:00] <troy_s> ;)
[08:01] <coz_> well not applicable
[08:01] <troy_s> In fact, dare I say that your aesthetic
[08:01] <troy_s> is completely different from someone outside your country of origin
[08:01] <troy_s> etc.
[08:01] <troy_s> absolutely applicable.
[08:01] <troy_s> I unfortunately, must prepare myself for my lovely day's work tomorrow
[08:01] <coz_> well lets leave it at that then
[08:01] <troy_s> and must depart from this very artsy discussion.
[08:01] <troy_s> ;)
[08:02] <troy_s> When you find the single piece of art that everyone agrees is absolutely beautiful, I'll perhaps believe you.
[08:02] <troy_s> Perhaps even find a good term for 'what is art' even, as a starting point.
[08:03] <troy_s> Night coz_... nice seeing you here to chat
[08:03] <troy_s> You often pop on and pop off too fast for me to catch you.
[08:04] <coz_> well i come here at the times you suggested an still no one talks :)
[08:15] <troy_s> coz_ I guess it depends on who is on at the time
[08:16] <troy_s> Sometimes just idling in a channel will let you keep up with when the chittering starts.
[08:16] <troy_s> Although again, #u-a doesn't have much to chitter about at the moment, nor the forseeable future.
[08:17] <coz_> well we amy disagree with our perspectives but unles the artist talk it will die
[08:19] <msikma> troy_s: by the way, if you have feedback for those screenshots I showed you yesterday, feel free to pass it on to me
[08:19] <msikma> Like I said on MSN, they're more like doodles
[08:23] <coz_> msikma, may I see them as well/
[08:31] <msikma> sure. they're simple implementations of the "wood" idea that has been proposed for Ubun2. I made then while I was working on cleaning up the source file for a theme that I'm working on.
[08:31] <msikma> http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/ubun2_1.jpg
[08:31] <msikma> http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/ubun2_0.jpg
[08:31] <coz_> msikma, thank you:)
[08:32] <coz_> msikma, these are proposed themes?
[08:34] <msikma> nope, those screenshots are just things I came up with yesterday and the theme that I was working on isn't finished yet. I think I once proposed an early version of it as update to Human.
[10:53] <kwwii> msikma's wood stuff looks awesome
[10:53] <sfllaw> Indeed.
[10:53] <sfllaw> kwwii just showed it to me.
[10:53] <sfllaw> Apricot has great borders.
[11:08] <sfllaw> http://www.jwz.org/images/1912007101138.jpg
[11:09] <kwwii> spooky
[08:10] <coz_> afternoon all
[10:37] <coz_> taking a break guys, :)


[09:48] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:49] <slashbel> Hallo!
[10:39] <zmoylan-len_> hi
[10:39] <zmoylan-len_> preparing the sled and huskies for trip home?
[10:51] <czajkowski> zmoylan-len_: ferry :)
[10:54] <slashbel> how long does that take?
[10:55] <tdr112> will you bring the dog ?
[10:55] <zmoylan-len_> probably why czajkowski is using the ferry
[11:00] <czajkowski> 4hrs
[11:00] <czajkowski> slwoish croshing from pembroke to rosslare
[11:00] <czajkowski> could go to liverpool and get a faster one
[11:00] <czajkowski> but then you risk the crossing being called off if it's a rough sailing as the boats are smaller
[11:01] <czajkowski> yup Bash is coming :)
[11:01] <zmoylan-len_> the fast hss doesn't handle weather as well as the old ro-ros
[11:02] <slashbel> 4 hours from near london?
[11:03] <slashbel> unless the condem government has invested in some better roads, getting to west wales will take 4 hours
[11:04] <czajkowski> will be 4 hrs to pembroke from guildford maybe 5 if we make some stops
[11:04] <czajkowski> and then a 4 hr crossing
[11:04] <czajkowski> and then a 2 hr drive
[11:05] <czajkowski> so a bit of a long trip
[11:05] <czajkowski> :)
[11:05] <czajkowski> but no planes and trains needed
[11:06] <slashbel> aye, does Bash require a passport?
[11:14] <ebel> and you can bring lots of stuff.
[11:14] <ebel> Cheap booze and everything :P
[11:17] <zmoylan-len_> and it's fun to be on deck while at sea and enjoy view and sea air
[11:18] <czajkowski> it's complicated
[11:18] <czajkowski> defra says no
[11:18] <czajkowski> irish ferries says yes
[11:18] <czajkowski> :/
[11:20] <ebel> Ah sure it'll be grand!
[11:20] <tdr112> ,just talk your way out of it
[11:21] <ebel> Course, you could just get a pet passport to be sure to be sure?
[11:28] <slashbel> tdr112: that might work for getting into Ireland, but getting back in to Wales could be another matter
[11:30] <tdr112> slashbel: its a plan to keep czajkowski here
[11:46] <czajkowski> ebel: he cant get one until he's 3 months old
[11:47] <czajkowski> and he's currently 2 months and 27 days
[11:47] <czajkowski> and you need to get it 21 days prior to travel
[11:47] <ebel> ah ok
[11:47] <czajkowski> which is too late
[11:47] <czajkowski> :/
[11:47] <czajkowski> if we went via NI
[11:47] <czajkowski> no issue what so ever
[11:52] <zmoylan-len_> yet ireland has a longer history of being rabies free than uk.
[12:04] <slashbel> s/uk/britain/


[01:54] <Omnifrog> ok, new install
[01:55] <Omnifrog> let the old computer games begin
[05:23] <Omnifrog> success !


[09:23] <rmg51> Morning
[12:24] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[14:13] <WorkingTurkey> anyone want to go see glocca morra saturday?


[04:23] <pitti> Good morning
[04:32] <hades08> im trying to allow this :  apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="lxd_lxc_0.19-1" name="/dev/ppp" pid=5162 comm="lxc" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0 what anyone could help me ?
[05:17] <jjohansen> hades08: you would need to add
[05:17] <jjohansen>   /dev/ppp r,
[05:17] <jjohansen> to the lxd_lxc_0.19-1 profile
[05:22] <hades08> to common.conf ??
[05:22] <hades08> or the usr.bin file in apparmor.d ?
[05:24] <hades08> none seems to work , i get the apparmor denied when trying to do : "lxc file push /dev/ppp mycontainer/dev/"
[05:24] <jjohansen> hades08: possibly or one of the files it includes, it seems I don't have one to look at atm
[05:24] <hades08> my /dev/ppp is in 666 mode too
[05:25] <jjohansen> hades08: okay, I will need a few minutes to install something to look at
[05:25] <hades08> oh ! thx :)
[05:36] <hades08> jjohansen: are you trying it ?
[05:36] <jjohansen> hades08: my system is updating so I can install the package
[05:37] <hades08> i ve also tried this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/1474047 for you to know, not working neither
[05:37] <hades08> ^^
[05:38] <hades08>  mknod /dev/ppp c 108 0 from the container doesnt work
[05:39] <hades08> lxc.mount.entry = /dev/ppp dev/ppp none bind,optional,create=file do work but the /dev/ppp has 600 chmod and chown is nobody:nogroup and not working
[05:39] <hades08> in the container
[05:42] <hades08> i get a /dev/ppp in the container using that method but its not working then. ppp kernel modules i have loaded are: "pppoe" and "pppox"
[05:47] <hades08> i have added : "/dev/ppp rw," in /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.ubuntu-core-launcher and also "lxc.cgroup.devices.allow = c 108:0 rwm" in /apps/lxd/0.19-1/bin/x86_64/lxc/config/common.conf
[06:01] <hades08> jjohansen: any idea ?
[06:36] <dholbach> good morning
[06:39] <sladen> morning dholbach
[06:41] <dholbach> hi sladen
[07:40] <ricotz> dholbach, good morning, would you mind taking a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plank/+bug/1505146
[07:41] <dholbach> yep, in a bit - need to finish something else first
[07:41] <ricotz> dholbach, thanks!
[07:56] <dupondje_> seems like there are major issues with the wpa_supplicant version in Wily and WPA2 Enterprise :(
[09:08] <Odd_Bloke> diwic: o/ We were talking at LinuxCon about problems I was having with my sound (namely that, on each boot, I have to set the channels for my card in alsamixer before pulseaudio will recognise them); where should I file a bug for this?
[09:20] <diwic> Odd_Bloke, so it was about 2ch / 6ch mode, right?
[09:20] <Odd_Bloke> diwic: Yep.
[09:21] <diwic> Odd_Bloke, for a start, how about running "ubuntu-bug audio" and point me to the resulting bug?
[09:29] <Odd_Bloke> diwic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1505584 (Thanks!)
[09:33] <diwic> Odd_Bloke, so you have added "model=3stack-6ch-dig" ?
[09:35] <Odd_Bloke> diwic: Hmm, I must have done that at some point when trying to fix it.
[09:36] <Odd_Bloke> diwic: Let me remove that to see what difference it makes; will I have to reboot for it to be picked up?
[09:37] <diwic> Odd_Bloke, yes, reboot necessary
[09:37] <diwic> Odd_Bloke, but anyhow, you have only three jacks in the rear, which are normally used for mic in + line in + line out?
[09:38] <diwic> Odd_Bloke, i e, not front + read + clfe
[09:38] <diwic> by default
[09:39] <Odd_Bloke> diwic: Yep, only three jacks; that assignment sounds likely (though I've never needed/wanted anything other than output).
[09:40] <diwic> Odd_Bloke, not sure how well that works, with PulseAudio and all. I suggest you retask your jacks a little harder with hda-jack-retask instead
[09:40] <diwic> Odd_Bloke, I'd say it's not officially supported at least
[09:48] <cousteau> who do I have to bug for https://bugs.launchpad.net/trusty-backports/+bug/1368094 to be taken care of?
[09:52] <rbasak> cousteau: only one of these people: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backporters/+members
[09:52] <rbasak> cousteau: looks like there's a mailing list -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:52] <cousteau> do they have a channel I can make noise on?
[09:52] <rbasak> I'm not aware of an IRC channel specifically for backporters. #ubuntu-devel might be a reasonble fallback but I'm not sure all backporters read that channel
[09:53] <rbasak> openjdk sounds like a pretty major piece of backporting work to meth though!
[09:53] <cousteau> well, I already commented on the bug report, I see no point on commenting on the mailing list too
[09:53] <cousteau> I assumed they'd be here too
[09:54] <cousteau> well, I'd say it's important to do; as I commented in the bug some third party software may use Java 8 (which is the currently supported Java version) so it won't work on Ubuntu LTS unless you install a PPA
[09:56] <cousteau> the same will happen when Java (and OpenJDK) 9 is released (Sept 2016).  Whoever's "in charge" will have one year until Java 8 is EOL'd (Sept 2017 approx).
[09:59] <rbasak> Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that it's not useful or valuable, and I appreciate you driving it.
[10:00] <rbasak> I'm just saying that it sounds like a considerable piece so getting review and upload may be difficult if that review is a considerable amount of work compared to your average backport.
[10:00] <cousteau> oh... yeah, I didn't understand that :)
[10:00] <cousteau> I get that doing that is a huge amount of work
[10:01] <cousteau> that's why I commented that OpenJDK 9 should be started to be backported ASAP; to have as much time as possible for this task to be completed
[10:02] <cousteau> it's also a higher priority than the average backport, I think
[10:04] <cousteau> (...well, for now there's the PPA workaround, so it's not a life or death matter, but I think this should be done anyway)
[10:09] <Odd_Bloke> diwic: hdajackretask seems to have done the trick; thanks!
[11:27] <sil2100> barry: hey! In-between stuff I'm looking into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-glance-store/+bug/1505632 if you don't mind
[12:29] <gonzzor> Hi, is it possible to use the same debian/{control,rules} files if I want the package to work with upstart in older Ubuntu and systemd in never ubuntu?
[12:30] <gonzzor> The configure script requires an option to enable upstart script generation and does a pkg-config call for systemd..
[12:30] <cjwatson> You could make it work with both init systems in both old and new releases.
[12:30] <cjwatson> Which has been quite standard for some time ...
[12:31] <gonzzor> So I would install both a .service and a .conf, or?
[12:31] <cjwatson> Yeah
[12:31] <cjwatson> And see dh_installinit(1) for maintainer script logic
[12:34] <gonzzor> Ah, I see. How about Build-Depends for systemd on systems that doesn't have it?
[12:34] <cjwatson> You can safely build-depend on dh-systemd back to trusty
[12:34] <gonzzor> Good, trusty is the oldest I need to support..
[12:35] <cjwatson> Rather than build-depending on systemd itself, though, you should pass --with-systemdsystemunitdir=/lib/systemd/system to configure
[12:35] <gonzzor> So users of 15.10 would still get the upstart script but it won't be used unless they are actually running upstart instead of systemd..
[12:35] <cjwatson> (Assuming the package supports such a flag, but it's fairly standard and you could add it if it doesn't)
[12:35] <cjwatson> Right
[12:36] <gonzzor> Yes, it does support that flag, and by default calls pkg-config to ask for path if none is given.. Thanks to systemd developers for providing the autoconf snippet :)
[12:40] <gonzzor> cjwatson: Thanks for the help :)
[12:40] <cjwatson> np
[12:51] <cjwatson> gonzzor: If you need an example, binfmt-support is a reasonably simple package of mine that supports several init systems.
[13:28] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: wgrant: smoser: utlemming_sprint: I'm trying to test new UEFI images (currently for amd64, but soon ppc64el and arm64); what's the best way to confirm that an image is bootable?
[13:33] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: A minimal test would be to install ovmf and do something like   qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -bios /usr/share/qemu/OVMF.fd -m 1024 -cdrom trusty-server-amd64.iso
[13:33] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: UEFI isn't a thing on ppc64el as far as I know, and I don't know exactly what firmware image you'd need on arm64.
[13:33] <wgrant> arm64 needs wily's qemu-efi
[13:34] <wgrant> it boots the cloud images fine, just might need overriding to virtio on the qemu commandline
[13:35] <wgrant> any qemu-efi older than current wily will either hang or not autoboot a cloud image
[13:36] <wgrant> for booting ppc64el xloud images, the default firmware (SLOF) works fine
[13:36] <wgrant> (but ppc64el is not UEFI)
[13:44] <barry> sil2100: cool
[13:53] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: wgrant: Cool, thanks.
[13:53] <mterry> jdstrand, so in bug 1267393, a bunch of new components got added.  Is the timeframe for that 15.10 or 16.04?  Are you / the security team going to look at the golang packages there?  I can do the non-go ones, like dh-golang if it helps
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, don't know why I thought EFI was a thing on ppc64el.
[14:04] <pitti> slangasek, mvo: I just tried the proposed apt pinning in bug 1503150; I thought it worked for me a few days ago, but not right now
[14:04] <pitti> am I doing anything wrong there?
[14:13] <mvo> pitti: what kind of error do you get? or what behavior?
[14:13] <pitti> mvo: the unmet dependencies, what I just wrote in comment #5
[14:16] <mvo> pitti: aha, sorry for the noise then, I have a look in the bug (in a bit)
[14:17] <pitti> mvo: thanks; the idea was that with pin prio 100 it would take required deps from -proposed, but take everything that can be resolved in -release from that
[14:23] <pitti> slangasek, mvo: did another followup (doesn't solve the problem, but explains what worked before)
[14:26] <tdaitx> doko, I'm not sure if you saw this yesterday: debdiff for squid 3.8.14 is @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid3/+bug/1502178
[14:27] <tdaitx> err... s/3.8.14/3.3.14/ =)
[14:27] <doko> tdaitx, I can't decide this, you have to ask somebody from the ubuntu-release team ... e.g. Laney, slangasek, bdmurray, infinity, ...
[14:48] <jdstrand> mterry: there is only one that I thinks actually needs a security review-- golang-go.crypto
[14:49] <jdstrand> the others just need to follow the Debian go packaging
[14:50] <tdaitx> Laney, slangasek, bdmurray, infinity: I appreciate if any of you could take a look at LP: #1502178 when you have the time =)
[14:54] <bev> A question about packaging...I see a few packages which declare that they break every other version of itself, e.g. libstdc++6=<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu13 says Breaks: libstdc++6 (!= 4.9.2-10ubuntu13). What's the reason for doing this, can't there only be one version of the package be installed at the same time anyways?
[14:56] <mterry> jdstrand, noted, thanks.  Are they trying to get these in for wily?
[14:56] <jdstrand> mterry: yes
[14:56] <mterry> jdstrand, humph ok
[14:56] <jdstrand> lxd too
[14:59] <cjwatson> bev: Where are you seeing that?  Not in the raw package metadata, I think.
[14:59] <cjwatson> But maybe in some frontend?
[15:02] <bev> cjwatson: It was in the output of 'aptitude show libstdc++6'. Your are right, if I download the .deb it's not in the control file
[15:03] <cjwatson> bev: Right.  That's for Multi-Arch: same packages; it's possible to have those installed for more than one architecture at the same time
[15:03] <cjwatson> bev: apt generates that Breaks field automatically in such cases to ensure that you have the same version installed across all architectures
[15:03] <bev> Ah, I see. Thanks!
[15:04] <cjwatson> (Also an implicit Replaces: ${self}:other (<< ${binary:Version}) )
[15:04] <cjwatson> bev: More detail is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec
[15:24] <tsdgeos> seb128: you may as well SRU the whole poppler and not that individual fix :D
[15:25] <seb128> tsdgeos, would perhaps do if poppler was not breaking abi compatibility between every version ;-)
[15:25] <tsdgeos> but we don't :)
[15:25] <seb128> you do on core
[15:25] <seb128> which things shouldn't use
[15:25] <tsdgeos> it's the people using the wrong libs ;)
[15:25] <seb128> but do....
[15:25] <tsdgeos> complain to them :D
[15:25] <tsdgeos> i'm just wondering why this fix is more important than the other N we've done
[15:28] <seb128> tsdgeos, it might not be, but it has a reproducable test case and users who care about it/are probably going to verify the sru
[15:29] <tsdgeos> honestly that definition apply to 99% of the bugs we fix
[15:29] <tsdgeos> we seldom fix bugs without reproduceable tests cases
[15:29] <seb128> we should maybe SRU more poppler fixes
[15:29] <tsdgeos> but ok, it's just someone complained loudly i guess :D
[15:29] <seb128> it's just a manpower issue
[15:29] <seb128> you would argue that fixing nothing is better than fixing some issues?
[15:30] <seb128> I do agree that fixing all issues would be best
[15:30] <tsdgeos> no i was just wondering why *this* one
[15:30] <seb128> we just don't have somebody active enough on the poppler package to do that
[15:30] <seb128> just because I saw some user comment asking about it
[15:30] <seb128> and the description states it's hitting people trying to open boarding pass documents
[15:31] <tsdgeos> at some point if we're serious about the document viewer on the phone i'd say we should make it so we track poppler more closely
[15:32] <tsdgeos> also on the phone libreoffice and latex would be minor problems
[15:32] <tsdgeos> or maybe not :D
[15:32] <seb128> right
[15:32] <seb128> except that the document viewer is going to use libreoffice
[15:33] <seb128> but yeah, I'm going to try to be better at backporting poppler updates/fixes in the next lts
[15:34] <tsdgeos> not blaming you btw
[15:34] <tsdgeos> i understand this is a manpower issue
[15:34] <tsdgeos> but seriously nowadays all the API changes are so corner case that a rebuild should just get us good with the new packages
[15:35] <tsdgeos> not sure a rebuild is acceptable from the point of view of the policy makers
[15:38] <seb128> probably not easily in SRUs
[15:40] <stgraber> infinity, pitti, kees, slangasek: I won't be able to make the TB meeting due to having to be at an in-person meeting, sorry.
[15:43] <pitti> stgraber: ack; should be a near-zero agenda anyway
[15:44] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, do you know why https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/ebd96647ac9cf4ab66948f10e1daa1815c85075c states that it doesn't have g-d-u ddebs when they are on http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/gnome-disk-utility/
[15:44] <infinity> stgraber: Slacker. :)
[15:45] <bdmurray> seb128: looking
[15:45] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks
[15:46] <seb128> infinity, hey, do you plan to get the current tzdata uploaded for !wily?
[15:46] <bdmurray> seb128: they aren't on ddebs - the amd64 version of 3.16.2-0ubuntu1 is missing
[15:46] <seb128> oh, right
[15:47] <infinity> seb128: I planned to do that a week ago.  Argh.  I brained incorrectly and it slipped off the stack.  Will do now.
[15:47] <seb128> infinity, thanks
[15:47] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks, going to do a no change g-d-u upload then
[15:47] <bdmurray> having said that apport was recently changed to check launchpad for ddebs in this case
[15:53] <pitti> infinity, kees, slangasek: TB meeting reminder in 7 mins
[15:54] <bdmurray> mvo: Could you have a look at bug 1505337? It has to do with the auto_flag changes to aptdaemon / update-manager.
[15:58] <infinity> pitti: Ahh, crap, I'm chairing I guess, since stgraber bowed out.  I have to remind myself how to use the bot every time.
[16:00] <mvo> bdmurray: I have a look, my guess is that u-m may miss a strict version dependency on aptdaemon or that aptdeamon was running, u-m and aptdaemon got updated but the running aptdaemon was not replaced so u-m tried to drive it with the new flags but the old one was still active that did not understood it
[16:02] <bdmurray> mvo: the version dependency was added so I'd agree with second idea.
[16:02] <bdmurray> mvo: is there anyway to prove that?
[16:03] <mvo> bdmurray: reproducing by intalling a non-proposed system, running u-m, update close u-m and quickly open u-m again, aptdaemon has a timeout of some minutes of inactivity iirc of inactivity
[16:04] <mvo> bdmurray: tricky to fix if the theory is true
[16:04]  * mvo needs to think about it
[16:08] <bdmurray> mvo: Does aptdaemon.txt in the bug contain the process id of aptdaemon?
[16:11] <bdmurray> mvo: Yes, it does and it didn't change between installing u-m and aptdaemon and the failure.
[17:57] <dobey> anyone know how to make gccgo-4.9 work on vivid?
[18:12] <mustafam> Hi,
[18:12] <mustafam> I think this bug is important, it prevents any user with only DSL/PPPoE from connecting, and we approach release:
[18:12] <mustafam> [21:04] <mustafam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1446689
[18:13] <mustafam> Its solution is a matter of build flag
[18:13] <mustafam> Or adding a dependency for pppoe
[18:24] <rbasak> cyphermox: ^
[21:58] <chiluk> infinity are you around?  would you like to discuss bug 1432871 real quick?  I see you pinged caribou in the backlog while I was on vaca..
[22:05] <chiluk> I guess I'll try tomorrow...
[22:40] <seb128> bdmurray, your software-properties upload seems buggy and the bug you fixed was already handled by the previous upload from today I think
[22:43] <seb128> bdmurray, well "buggy", it shouldn't create issue but you special case one error, the reports have different variants, like some user use "ppa:/user/name" but some have "ppa::user/name"
[22:44] <seb128> bdmurray, also please do merge propose your changes against lp:software-properties so they can get reviewed
[23:02] <bdmurray> seb128: I tested it and the error I was trying to address didn't seem fixed.
[23:03] <seb128> bdmurray, weird, in any case there is no reason to bypass merge proposal and reviews
[23:06] <seb128> (the exception should be handled by the previous commit as well, unsure why it didn't work for you)
[23:07] <bdmurray> seb128: the previous commit will raise an exception, but does it tell you what the proper format is? My thought was a lot of people seem to be making this mistake so the leading forward slash must be in some documentation somewhere and its easy to fix.
[23:10] <seb128> bdmurray, looking to the reported errors the leading slash is not the only typo, some users have an extra ":" for example, so handling one case only seems a bit random
[23:13] <bdmurray> seb128: I would have ignored it but there are about 1800 instances of the leading slash. I guess you could find somebody to reject it if you don't like it.
[23:15] <seb128> bdmurray, I'm going to try it tomorrow, but the previous upload should handle that error as well as other cases of typos and display an error saying that the format is wrong rather than triggering apport
[23:15] <seb128> unsure why it's not working for you
[23:16] <seb128> bdmurray, but please next time go through merge proposal and reviews rather than commiting directly to trunk like that
[23:16] <bdmurray> seb128: I've tested it again and the ubuntu12 works for me but I think it could be much more helpful. "ERROR: 'ppa:/gottcode/gcppa' is not a valid ppa format" doesn't help.
[23:17] <bdmurray> seb128: Is software-properties special somehow?
[23:17] <seb128> bdmurray, well, what happens in your version if add "ppa::gottcode/gcppa'?
[23:17] <seb128> bdmurray, it's an upstream project maintained in launchpad, like apport, update-manager, software-center, etc
[23:18] <seb128> we usually go through code review for those
[23:18] <seb128> or what do you mean?
[23:21] <bdmurray> I mean I've been commiting directly to update-manager and ubuntu-release-upgrader for years now, and didn't realize I should be using merge proposals and reviews.
[23:21] <seb128> hum, k, I usually mp fixes and try to nag mvo or somebody for review
[23:21] <seb128> oh well, no big deal
[23:22] <seb128> your change is fine, I just think it's incomplete but I guess we can fix the other cases with another upload
[23:26] <seb128> night


[09:05] <oSoMoN> could someone take a look at signon in the unapproved queue please? it’s holding off other landings
[09:36] <jamespage> please could a release team member take a look at bug 1377218
[09:36] <ubot2> bug 1377218 in ceilometer (Ubuntu) "[FFe] ceilometer 2014.2.rc1" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377218
[09:36] <jamespage> I'd like to get that into the review queue today if possible please
[12:34] <dbarth> hi; can you inspect the signon package which is currently in the unapproved queue? it's coming from a phone ci landing; thanks
[12:48] <mlankhorst> can someone accept mesa? contains some fixes for mir
[14:31] <hallyn> arges: hey, just a note, the fix for bug 1374617 is required for the test cases for bugs 1374622 and 1374612
[14:31] <ubot2> bug 1374617 in Ubuntu Trusty "[FFE] New package: ipxe-precise" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1374617
[14:31] <ubot2> bug 1374622 in libvirt (Ubuntu Trusty) "Support migration from 12.04" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1374622
[14:31] <ubot2> bug 1374612 in qemu (Ubuntu Precise) "[FFE] add pc-1.0-precise machine type" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1374612
[14:48] <arges> hallyn: did you upload the ipxe fix yet?
[14:50] <hallyn> arges: I thought i did.
[14:50] <arges> hallyn: ah its in the NEW queeu
[14:50] <arges> queue
[14:51] <hallyn> yup.  if that needs more time i can do the verificatoins with the pkgs out of ppa, but that feels like cheating :)
[14:51] <arges> hallyn: you should ping an AA about approving that package. cjwatson / infinity ^^^ ipxe-precise in trusty/new queue
[14:54] <hallyn> arges: oh, ok, thanks.  infinity: the ipxe-precise is the last bit for the p->t qemu vm migration drama
[16:02] <dbarth> hi again; this is a quick nudge to ask for attention on the 'signon' package in the unapproved queue
[16:31] <Riddell> dbarth: any bug number or other pointer to why it'll fix more problems than it'll add?
[16:36] <cjwatson> sorry
[16:46] <dbarth> Riddell: not really; the change is here and is meant to secure access from client apps better
[16:46] <dbarth> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/signon/packaging/+merge/237211
[16:47] <dbarth> i guess i can ask mardy to comment on the original merge prop. to make a stronger case for it not creating compatibility issues for example
[18:55] <infinity> hallyn: That s/ppc/ppc64/ thinko in your qemu changelog scared me.
[18:55] <hallyn> infinity: well it was overly conservative, not overly liberal :)
[18:56] <hallyn> was going to refuse running ppc64el-user under ppc64
[18:56] <infinity> hallyn: No, no.  The typo.  Where you said you removed "Support-ppc64le.patch"
[18:56] <infinity> hallyn: You meant ppcle.
[18:56] <hallyn> oh
[18:56] <hallyn> feh, yeah
[18:57] <hallyn> those machine names are getting almost as nnoying as arm64/amd64
[18:57] <infinity> *smirk*
[18:57] <hallyn> i keep d/ling the wrong rootfs's now, thanks to arm64
[18:57] <infinity> Anyhow, I suspect IBM (and others) will push back hard against people doing 32-bit LE or, at least, make sure they do it right, so dropping the premature support seems sane.
[19:04] <infinity> hallyn: For your peace of mind, though, I can confirm that the be/le changes you just made are also correct.
[19:04] <infinity> hallyn: ppc kernels are endian-specific, so running le on be or be on le isn't native.
[19:04] <hallyn> infinity: ok, thx.  (slangasek had also confirmed it on #debian-qemu)
[19:05] <infinity> hallyn: Check.
[19:05] <hallyn> as for the 32-bit le, i figured better to drop it before release
[19:05] <infinity> hallyn: I've praised IBM repeatedly for doing the right thing there.  They debated (for a long time) doing endian-neutral kernels with duplicated syscall tables, and I'm so glad they didn't.  It's a maintenance nightmare.
[19:05] <infinity> (See x86/x86_64/x32, or the horror that is mips)
[19:16] <slangasek> the thing that goes mips in the night
[19:17] <slangasek> the x86 model is wrong, the syscalls should be associated with different kernel personalities
[19:20] <hallyn> wouldn't that remove our compat syscall exploit fun?
[19:23] <infinity> slangasek: Don't even get me started on personalities, and their completely inconsistent application across architectures.
[19:23] <slangasek> ok then I won't
[19:23] <infinity> slangasek: I feel strongly that's something someone should fix, but I also suspect it would require inventing a time machine.
[19:23] <slangasek> also: ICBS
[19:24] <slangasek> (which I'm pretty sure stood for intercontinental bowel syndrome?)
[19:24] <infinity> Inter-Continental Ballistic Suck?
[19:24] <slangasek> http://www.linuxmisc.com/1-linux-setup/f2cd5ed0c51dd5d6.htm
[19:26] <mlankhorst> dat stoppen.   I went and translated it anyway, and the first line is so much better after my comment.
[19:29] <YokoZar> Could someone on the release team please manually approve Wine1.6 for promotion for me?  Britney gets confused because the amd64 version has a cross-arch dependency.
[19:29] <infinity> YokoZar: Oh, let me have a look.
[19:31] <YokoZar> infinity: Thank you :)
[19:31] <infinity> YokoZar: Fix committed, should migrate in the next run, if nothing else is broken.
[19:31] <YokoZar> infinity: Excellent, thanks.  Will I need to do this every upload?
[19:32] <infinity> YokoZar: Until we come up with a better way to figure this out, yeah.  A ping wouldn't hurt.
[20:07] <hallyn> arges: infinity: so I went ahead and did the upgrade tests for qemu/qemu-kvm (and about to for libvirt) using the kvm-ipxe-precise from ppa.  still do need the ipxe-precise package in trusty to really call it fixed though.  (though the situation without that is no worse than the situation without these current qemu+libvirt packages, so technically they don't have to be blocked by it)
[20:07]  * hallyn waiting on two parallel long-asse qa-regression-tests on his laptop
[20:08] <arges> hallyn: cool


 why? lubuntu is official flavor of ubuntu. it must use the default btrfs layout like ubuntu ( @ and @home ) but calamares confuses me :) is not there any dev. here or who know the correct answer? :)
 When installing Lubuntu with Calamares select "manual partitioning" you can then create a partition layout with BTRFS,Additional partitions (eg, /home) are optional and can be any file system. (re @cemunal: why? lubuntu is official flavour of ubuntu. it must use the default btrfs layout like ubuntu ( @ and @home ) but calamares confuses me :) is not there any dev. here or who know the correct answer? :))
 thanks
[08:20]  * fridolin installing fresh 20.04 , new to LXQT
 is there a 32 bit support for 19 or 20 versions?
[08:22] <guiverc> @alamutfedaisi, Lubuntu is a desktop release so it's year.month in format, and the last release for i386 was 18.10.  Currently only 18.04 LTS is i386 and is't only got a month+ left for full-support
 oh (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> @alamutfedaisi, Lubuntu is a desktop release so it's year.month in format, and the last release for i386 was 18.10.  Currently only 18.04 LTS is i386 and is't only got a month+ left for full-support)
 so 19 and 20 isnt compatible...
[08:23] <guiverc> Ubuntu uses *yy* releases only for specialist releases, like Ubuntu Core 20, ie. snap only releases. deb based releases are year.month in format
[08:24] <guiverc> 19.04 had i386 releases into the alpha stage, but 19.04 is long EOL now
[08:24] <guiverc> s/releases/ISOs
[08:24] <fridolin> 32bits is getting very old, work needs to be focussed on other jobs i think
[08:25] <fridolin> is there even Linux kernel 5 in i386 ?
 so, will the support of other ubuntu distros end next month?
 f.e. xubuntu
[08:26]  * fridolin waves
 what
[08:28] <guiverc> the last built kernel for i386 was 5.4 (GA kernel of 20.04, but current for 18.04.5, which is still fully-supported for now on i386
[08:28] <guiverc> it's current for 18.04.5 with HWE enabled
[08:31] <guiverc> fyi: packages for i386 were built or the entire life of 19.04, so if you install lubuntu, xubuntu using a i386 alpha ISO, you had upgraded packages the entire life of that product
[08:32] <guiverc> All Ubuntu flavors come with 3 years of supported life generally (5 years applies to Ubuntu desktop/server only, and packages in 'main' too); one 18.04 release however wasn't a LTS (Ubuntu Studio 18.04) with it's support coming from PPA
[10:26] <dragon2> I have a problem with opening pictures in firefox, and I don`t know if it`s a browser problem or a lubutu setttings issue
 just install chromium 😎✌
[10:27] <dragon2> Until recently everything worked fine, but since yesterday I can`t click on picutures, nothing works
[10:28] <dragon2> I have the cursor moving about, when it goes on a picture in google image search, it turns to a black hand, but when clicking on the mouse pad nothing happens
[10:28] <dragon2> I hope my description makes sense
[10:39] <dragon2> oh, it`s working again, I get the clickable pictures on the right again
[10:39] <dragon2> it hasn`t worked at all for a couple of days
[18:00] <artiom97> I have the question. Shoul
[18:17] <artiom97> I have the question. Should I disable the recommended package auto install to save disk space?
[18:26] <kc2bez[m]> I am not sure which package auto install you are referring to artiom97  Also, we don't know how much disk capacity you have.
[18:31] <artiom97> or will cause the ubuntu installation failure.
[18:32] <artiom97> When installing the Kubuntu.
[18:36] <kc2bez[m]> artiom97: This room is for Lubuntu support. If you are having issues installing Kubuntu you should join #kubuntu
[22:32] <mars> hey


[14:43] <holmanb> meena: think it would be helpful if you could `lxd init images:freebsd freebsd` and get a running freebsd? I see that the image server that the ci uses has freebase images, so it might take some work but I bet it's possible
[14:55]  * holmanb grumbles about autocorrect
[15:05] <meena> holmanb: im trying to lay the groundwork for that
[15:06] <holmanb> meena: 👍 have you started poking at the ci build definitions?
[15:06] <holmanb> or just focusing on making it boot for now?
[15:12] <meena> Boot and not eat CPU so tests have some CPU, too
[15:13] <meena> if i can get it into 13.2, that would be cool, but if not, we'll start testing on 14.0-CURRENT
[15:13] <meena> baby steps