[06:15] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:15] <flamesage> !kopete chat
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete chat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <intelikey> flamesage /join blah
[06:16] <russell__> any idea on how to get a wireless network to show where restricted drivers are installed?
[06:17] <anubis_> this has nothing to do with how to install nvidia drivers
[06:17] <anubis_> there is nothing wrong with my setup as it worked until kwin4 met it
[06:18] <anubis_> there is a particular page dealing with kwin and composite
[06:18] <Pensador> Does anybody here know how can we automatically save a conversation in Kopete every time we talk to someone?
[06:18] <anubis_> this has nothing to do with compiz either
[06:18] <anubis_> Pensador: prefences
[06:19] <flamesage> no I mean in AIM
[06:19] <flamesage> Through Kopete
[06:19] <intelikey> Pensador may not work for kopete but something like   /set logging auto
[06:19] <flamesage> How do I join an AIM chat
[06:19] <Pensador> intelikey: Please, could you tell me more details about thaat?
[06:20] <intelikey> that i don't know.  never did like/use aol
[06:20] <Jay-Oh-En> howcome gaim doesnt load the buddylist :[
[06:20] <russell__> anyone have any idea the network settings that are changed once installed from livecd?
[06:20] <j2daosh> how can i make an ntfs filesystem writeable using the live cd?
[06:20] <biovore> gaim been replaced with pidgin
[06:20] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: i know ok pidgin
[06:21] <se7en> somebody got conky running on kde4 without crashing kde4?
[06:21] <Jay-Oh-En> how come pidgin doesnt load the buddylist :[
[06:21] <lunar-raven> conky?
[06:21] <intelikey> Pensador some irc clients ues the /set command    some dont.   i don't use kopete kde xorg   hardly at all.    but if there is not a menu itom for what you want   try the   /set help    command.    or  /help set
[06:21] <sigma_> how do i disable the kubuntu logo from showing at bootup?
[06:22] <intelikey> sigma_ nosplash
[06:22] <sigma_> intelikey: where do i put that command?
[06:22] <Pensador> Intelikey: I was talking about saving conversations on Instant Messaging talks, using protocols like Yahoo, MSN, Jabber, etc
[06:23] <intelikey> sigma_ in /boot/grub/menu.lst    see the kernel line with    splash    make it nosplash    and see if that is what you want.
[06:24] <posingaspopular> i changed some setting in kde4 and now it wont book. how do I undo/roll back those setting?
[06:24] <intelikey> Pensador oh.  well you only spcified   kopete    that i saw anyway.   sorry.
[06:24] <Pensador> posingaspopular: how about deleting the .kde4 folder in your home folder, for instance?
[06:25] <posingaspopular> wont that remove all of kde4?
[06:25] <Pensador> posingaspopular: that should return all definitions to default settings
[06:25] <Jay-Oh-En> intelikey: you should have told him to install usplash
[06:25] <Jay-Oh-En> !usplash
[06:25] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[06:25] <lunar-raven> posing: no
[06:25] <lunar-raven> it will just removing settings
[06:25] <intelikey> Jay-Oh-En he only asked "how to disable it"
[06:26] <posingaspopular> where in the /home? /home.kde4?
[06:26] <Pensador> posingaspopular: yes
[06:26] <Jay-Oh-En> intelikey: true but still that gui app is so easy
[06:26] <intelikey> posingaspopular $HOME/.kde4
[06:26] <lunar-raven>  yeah../home/yourusernamehere/.kde4
[06:26] <intelikey> Jay-Oh-En k.   noted.
[06:27] <posingaspopular> cd: /.kde4: No such file or directory
[06:27] <Pensador> posingaspopular: whatever is in a hidden folder inside of the home folder basically contains personal settings. It definitely does not include the programs themselves
[06:27] <intelikey> posingaspopular correct.  it's not in the root dir   /
[06:27] <intelikey> posingaspopular now try   cd $HOME/.kde4
[06:28] <posingaspopular> okay now imin the directory?
[06:28] <posingaspopular> do i sudo rm -rf the whole folder?
[06:28] <intelikey> rm -r *
[06:28] <Jay-Oh-En> i just installed aim from the instructions stated here but it doesnt work http://aimtoday.aim.com/
[06:28] <Jay-Oh-En> intelikey: is it rm -i or -r?
[06:29] <intelikey> -r
[06:29] <Jay-Oh-En> i forget
[06:29] <intelikey> -i is interactive   -r is recursive
[06:29] <Jay-Oh-En> lol
[06:29] <Jay-Oh-En> oh i get it
[06:30] <posingaspopular> "rm: invalid option -- *"
[06:30] <intelikey> most linux apps use that nominclature    first letter of the word desired.
[06:30] <intelikey> posingaspopular   ls -A   see what is there
[06:30] <posingaspopular> "cache-speculum  share  socket-speculum  tmp-speculum"
[06:31] <intelikey> rm -r *    should work
[06:32] <posingaspopular> one sec. let me pastebin
[06:33] <posingaspopular> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51637/
[06:33] <anubis_> anyone here with a nvidia card running kde4 with there monitor above 800x600?
[06:33] <intelikey> posingaspopular `does   rm -r*    and   rm -r *     look the same to you ?
[06:34] <intelikey> you should not need the sudo  but you have to put the spaces in where they belong.
[06:34] <posingaspopular> actually intelikey they do look the same to me
[06:35] <onishidato> how can i set up my connection to auto detect??

[06:35] <posingaspopular> ohhhhh space
[06:35] <posingaspopular> i see
[06:35] <onishidato> how can i set up my connection to auto detect??
[06:35] <posingaspopular> sorry i just noticed the difference
[06:35] <posingaspopular> onishidato: knetworkmanager
[06:36] <posingaspopular> rightclick->configure
[06:36] <intelikey> posingaspopular we call that   pebcak     or     pebkac      depending on what part of the world you are in.
[06:36] <posingaspopular> thanks brb,
[06:36] <intelikey> np.
[06:36] <onishidato> i can't do that :)
[06:36] <se7en> where do i find the "wallpaper" that shows up after the log in an befor you are actually in
[06:36] <onishidato> when i do that
[06:36] <onishidato> they say no active device
[06:36] <onishidato> :)
[06:36] <Greenery> i can't open all my KDE4 apps in KDE 3.5.8 and even log in to KDE4. The crash handler keeps popping out
[06:37] <scrubb2000> Could someone tell me what this line from the Kubuntu page on KDE4 means? "To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm."
[06:38] <intelikey> means you can run an xorg/kde4 window inside of the running de
[06:38] <drcode> hi all
[06:38] <drcode> How can I install 3ddesktop in kubuntu
[06:39] <se7en> !compiz
[06:39] <intelikey> !nv | drcode
[06:39] <scrubb2000> intellikey: like a sandbox or something?
[06:39] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:39] <ubotu> drcode: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:39] <intelikey> scrubb2000 or something   yes.
[06:39] <phoul> Ive been hearing many good things and bad things about kde4, Im wondering if kde4 is truely better tthen 3.x or even gnome -dont flame me- for that matter
[06:39] <phoul> just a question
[06:39] <se7en> somebody got conky running on kde4 without crashing kde4?
[06:40] <scrubb2000> intellikey: will KDE4 create its own session type on the login manager or will I have to do that manually?
[06:40] <onishidato> se7en, can you tell me how to make Knetworkmanager auto detect my device??
[06:40] <intelikey> phoul watching this channel for a bit might answer some of that.
[06:40] <drcode> I need to run xgl-server?
[06:40] <intelikey> scrubb2000 it should.   if it doesn't then there is something wrong.
[06:41] <phoul> Well not really, people dont come to help channels if they have no issues
[06:41] <phoul> So...
[06:41] <phoul> All i will hear here is bad stuff
[06:41]  * scrubb2000 trembles with foreboding at intellikeys words
[06:41]  * corporeal is here with no issues
[06:41] <intelikey> that's why i said "some of that."
[06:42] <phoul> im running a box on 512 ram, crappy old nvidia geforce4 mx440 gfx card, 2.40ghz proc, would it run better or worse then gnome? I know 3.5 ran better
[06:42] <onishidato> se7en, can you tell me how to make Knetworkmanager auto detect my device??
[06:42] <Greenery> phoul: you could try the livecd if ur worried
[06:42] <intelikey> scrubb2000 it's all in the wording.    some will ask "will blah do blah"  you say "yes"  they say "well it isn't"   ....
[06:43]  * posingaspopular hugs intelikey
[06:43] <posingaspopular> it worked!
[06:43] <se7en> phoul: my system is not much better and i run kde4 with or kde3 with compiz that is not the problem but kde4 is one day old ...
[06:44] <posingaspopular> now... my pidgin won't boot in kde4
[06:44] <scrubb2000> intellikey: If it doesn't, that's what this channel is for, right? =)
[06:44] <intelikey> right.
[06:44] <phoul> se7en, ehhh im wondering how decent it is, I have experience with pre-alpha stuff (First stages of e17 anyone?) stableness.... isnt the only deciding factor. Unless it crashes every 30 seconds or something
[06:45] <onishidato> can someone pay a little attention with me??
[06:45] <phoul> so kde4 is bundled with kubuntu-desktop now?
[06:45] <phoul> Im just curious what to install :)
[06:46] <se7en> phoul: it works for me but it if you need a stable system wait
[06:46] <intelikey> onishidato i'm network illiterate. not ignoring you.
[06:46] <phoul> se7en, at the worse, i will just remove it and use gnome w/e
[06:46] <phoul> hehe
[06:47] <phoul> so how do i install this thing... just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? or is it not in there yet
[06:47] <onishidato> my prob is that i can't connect to internet :((
[06:47] <scrubb2000> phoul: go here:http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[06:48] <scrubb2000> KDE4 only came out today.
[06:48] <scrubb2000> I'd imagine canonical would like to put it through its paces before they bundle it with the main distro.
[06:48] <scrubb2000> Isn't that how they typically do things?
[06:50] <se7en> onishidato: can't connect to the internet is not enough information for someone to help
[06:50]  * intelikey thinks of clering out the un-needed/wanted software on his computer with   ((( for Q in `dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3` ;do apt-get remove --purge --yes "$Q" ;done )))
[06:51] <scrubb2000> sounds risky.
[06:52] <intelikey> will remove all "non-essential" packages    i have done it a few times.   if you don't love linux console   don't try it.
[06:53] <intelikey> it will cut the whole install down to about 180m
[06:53] <scrubb2000> What does Q and $Q in your script doing?
[06:53] <scrubb2000> er what is
[06:53] <scrubb2000> er what ARE
[06:54] <intelikey> i'm using Q as a variable  and $Q is the value of that var.
[06:54] <intelikey> example#   for Q in 1 2 3 4 5 ;do echo $Q ;done     <<<< run that and you'll see what i mean
[06:55] <intelikey> or#   for Q in 1 2 3 4 5 ;do echo "echo is echoing $Q" ;done
[06:57] <scrubb2000> I see.
[06:58] <scrubb2000> What is the -f3 option doing?
[06:58] <intelikey> in "my script" as you called it.     `dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3`   is setting the value of Q to every installed package.    you can see the results with#   dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3
[06:59] <scrubb2000> I understand everything but the -f3 part.
[06:59] <intelikey> man cut
[06:59] <intelikey> field three
[06:59] <scrubb2000> aha
[06:59] <intelikey> delimitor space
[06:59] <scrubb2000> right
[06:59] <Greenery> i can't load my KDE4, crash handlers popped out for every KDE4 app. Any idea how to fix this?
[07:00] <intelikey> echo "blah, blah, to, do, something." | cut -d',' -f3
[07:00] <scrubb2000> Ok, I get it now.
[07:01] <intelikey> echo "blah, blah, to, do, something." | cut -d',' -f-4
[07:01] <intelikey> echo "blah, blah, to, do, something." | cut -d',' -f3-
[07:01] <intelikey> all return different outputs   ^
[07:02] <intelikey> scrubb2000 that is why it is said "the linux command line is a very powerful interface"
[07:02] <intelikey> it you can dream it up    you can do it.
[07:02] <scrubb2000> Right.  So your "script" is the dpkg equivalent of becoming a buddhist ascetic? ;)
[07:03] <intelikey> lol    one might draw that comparison
[07:03] <kunzy> Got a question, i installed the KDE desktop and have decided to use the GNOME one instead.  Is there a way to delete the KDE desktop so it will quit refering to itself as kubuntu?
[07:03] <scrubb2000> I'd probably use the command line a lot more if I knew about more of the N^N available commands...
[07:04] <intelikey> scrubb2000 in reality though there are about 180m of packages that are tagged "essential" that would not be removed.
[07:04] <Jay-Oh-En> everytime my computer prints its really tiny
[07:04] <Jay-Oh-En> its in the top left corner of the paper
[07:04] <Greenery> Jay-Oh-En: maybe the driver is not compatible
[07:06] <Agent_bob> kunzy the referance to kubuntu is in the kdm kdm artwork   i think     but yes   !pure-gnome  i think is the bot call for info on how.
[07:06] <Agent_bob> sorry modem reset.
[07:06] <Agent_bob> < intelikey
[07:07] <Jay-Oh-En> Greenery: then what driver would i use for mp700
[07:07] <Greenery> mp700 is canon?
[07:08] <Jay-Oh-En> yes
[07:08] <Greenery> I think you will have hard time to find driver for canon printer
[07:08] <Jay-Oh-En> !pure-gnome
[07:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pure-gnome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:08] <Agent_bob> well maybe it's not.   purekde works but puregnome doesn't   sorry.      there is a simple way tho
[07:09] <Agent_bob> i just don't remember it off hand.
[07:09] <Agent_bob> !purekde
[07:09] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[07:09] <Kernel> how cani make kde not remeber my last session?
[07:09] <Kernel> is there a setting somewhere to stop it?
[07:10] <scrubb2000> !puregnome
[07:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about puregnome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:10] <scrubb2000> oh well.  I tried.
[07:10] <Jay-Oh-En> Greenery: there was a driver that worked for it in gnome
[07:10] <Agent_bob> Kernel yeah should be,  in kcontrol  startup settings
[07:11] <Kernel> hmm ok ill lok around
[07:11] <Kernel> *look
[07:11] <Agent_bob> scrubb2000 yeah i can't find it.   i thought sure there was a bot call for that....
[07:11] <Greenery> Jay-Oh-En: yeah somehw gnome works well with canon pixma
[07:12] <Jay-Oh-En> Greenery: so what do i do :[
[07:12] <Jay-Oh-En> Greenery: i need to get this working
[07:12] <Agent_bob> !removekde
[07:12] <ubotu> Want to remove gnome/kde/xfce completely? Look at debfoster, it's a great help
[07:12] <oldude67> whats the easiest way to install kde4 ive got all the tar.bz2 files, but is there a .deb file for it?
[07:12] <Agent_bob> that's not what i wanted.     oh well.
[07:12] <Greenery> Jay-Oh-En: sorry i don't know how to help you on that
[07:13] <Jay-Oh-En> !printer
[07:13] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[07:15] <muesli> hey guys
[07:15] <muesli> someone using the kde4 packages already?
[07:15] <muesli> i just installed it and it seems to be missing a few files
[07:15] <muesli> like libphonon
[07:20] <sgrover> Whats the best way to get large memory support on a 32bit install?  (greater than 4 GB) - is there a kernel package I can install?  Or do I need to compile my own?
[07:25] <scrubb2000> What is meant by "virtual memory" in Linux?  It seems to still be using my physical RAM for it...
[07:26] <Anarch> scrubb2000: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_memory
[07:27] <jessie> hey guys
[07:27] <Anarch> Has anybody had a problem with the latest set of KDE upgrades?
[07:28] <Anarch> Where can I find documentation of what was changed?  (Still rummaging a page of Google results.)
[07:30] <sgrover> Anyone know how to get large memory support? (> 4 GB)
[07:33] <scrubb2000> So the process list shows each process using some amount of "virtual memory" and some amount of "physical memory".  What's the difference?
[07:33] <kyled185> sgrover: you need to compile your own kernel
[07:34] <sgrover> That's what I've been reading.  But I've also seen references to prebuilt packages with the 8GB flag set...
[07:34] <sgrover> But those seem to be for Feisty.  Don't see the matching packages with an aptitude search...
[07:37] <Botulinux> sgrover: I think that the kernel for ubuntu server supports large memory
[07:38] <sgrover> hmmm... I'll check it out...  wish there were some way to check before installing it...
[07:38] <sgrover> oh, nm - I have ubuntu server installed in a VM.
[07:58] <harmental> hey guys....will kde4 respect all my kde3 settings and startup apps?
[07:59] <PJC121> ok, quick and obvious question..... how do you copy, cut, paste and move items from folder to folder in KDE4
[07:59] <PJC121> on the desktop
[07:59] <jessie> hey, has anybody been able to lock the screen with 4?
[08:00] <PJC121> no jessie, I get the 'no way to unlock' error
[08:00] <jessie> same here
[08:01] <jessie> dang... but itll get better soon
[08:01] <oldude67> well if you guys are having problems with it now i dont think i want to install it anyways.
[08:01] <jessie> not problems.. just..... not 100% done yet
[08:01] <PJC121> jessie, have you figured out how to cut and paste icons or drag and drop them to folder on the desktop?
[08:01] <jessie> haha..... like, not all features are implimented
[08:01] <PJC121> yeah
[08:01] <intelikey> howto enable ftpd ?
[08:03] <jessie> intelikey: you mean, like start it up?
[08:03] <intelikey> jessie yes
[08:03] <intelikey> there is no ftpd executable  ???
[08:03] <jessie> intelikey: i would guess something like "sudo /etc/init.d/ftpd start"
[08:04] <intelikey> there is no init script that i can see
[08:05] <jessie> hmmmm....... well, look in adept for files installed
[08:05] <Daisuke_Ido> or aptitude for the less gui inclined ;)
[08:05] <jessie> haha....... true, true.
[08:06] <intelikey> heh.   well i just installed ftpd via apt  but there is no executable that i can find...
[08:07] <jessie> hmmmm..... and for ftp, i reccomend..... wait a sec
[08:07] <jessie> k, for ftp go with proftpd
[08:07] <jessie> it may be just package proftp
[08:08] <PoeticJaffaCake> argh, now why won't my root password be accepted for adept :/
[08:09] <jessie> PoeticJaffaCake: no idea....
[08:09] <ardchoille> !root
[08:09] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[08:09] <wesley> how can i change plasma,s translation in dutch theres a fault
[08:10] <intelikey> PoeticJaffaCake cause sudo doesn't use the root password.
[08:10] <jcgkffycs> I just did a fresh re-install of gutsy kubuntu, when i try to apt-get install something i get the following packages have unmet dependancies, it lists all the dependencies and says that they could not be installed
[08:10] <jessie> jcgkffycs: internet on that computer works, i take it?
[08:10] <corinth> How can I set links to launch in firefox instead of konqueror from kopete?
[08:10] <jcgkffycs> yes
[08:10] <PoeticJaffaCake> ok, then why is the password I have been using in KDE3 and for all sudo commands stopped working with the install of KDE4 :)
[08:10] <jessie> jcgkffycs: try sudo apt-get update
[08:11] <jcgkffycs> did that,
[08:11] <jessie> ok... um...... sudo apt-get install --fix-missing?
[08:11] <PoeticJaffaCake> and why is the adept manager saying: Run as Root - KDE Please enter root's password below.
[08:12] <jcgkffycs> > sudo apt-get install --fix-missing Reading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency tree  Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:13] <ardchoille> jcgkffycs: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list for me so I can see if there are any errors?
[08:13] <ardchoille> !paste | jcgkffycs
[08:13] <ubotu> jcgkffycs: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:13] <jessie> ardchoille: you beat me too it
[08:13] <ardchoille> jessie: :)
[08:14] <jessie> haha.....
[08:14] <intelikey> in.ftpd   <<< the executable.    i have no idea why.
[08:15] <corinth> What's a good video/mp3 player that works well with Kubuntu?
[08:16] <jessie> corinth: kaffine
[08:16] <intelikey> corinth i like vlc   but then i watch movies in the console too.
[08:16] <corinth> Oh, oops.
[08:16] <jcgkffycs> when i do sudo apt-get update it outputs something I am not used to it says an example of a line "Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/multiverse Packages"
[08:16] <corinth> Let me rephrase.
[08:16] <jessie> intelikey: how do you do that?
[08:16] <corinth> As in, Creative Zen, iPod, etc.
[08:16] <corinth> Hehe.
[08:17] <intelikey> jessie svga-libs
[08:17] <wesley>  i got in plasma by digital time uu:12 what should be 09:12 it seems this is a translation fault in dutch how to fix?
[08:17] <jcgkffycs> here is my /etc/apt/sources.list on pastbin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51639/
[08:17] <boubbin> if i install kde4 with apt-get update, will i be able to use kde 3 still ?
[08:17] <corinth> boubbin: Yes.
[08:17] <boubbin> nice
[08:17] <posingaspopular> yes boubbin
[08:17] <posingaspopular> i can link you as to how to do that too
[08:17] <corinth> boubbin: Just follow the instructions on kubuntu.org
[08:18] <intelikey> jessie can be done with frame buffer too  but i don't like playing with fbcon  if you hose it (app crash even)  you are in for a reboot before you can see anything again.
[08:18] <boubbin> yeah i did that earlier, but no it seems that kde4 is avalable in the kubuntu repos also
[08:18] <wesley> i got kde4 running on kubuntu
[08:19] <jessie> intelikey: ohhhhhh...... that explains why ocassionally my terminal's freak out
[08:20] <Daisuke_Ido> would you like a cookie?
[08:20] <ardchoille> jcgkffycs: I found the problem
[08:20]  * corinth slaps Daisuke_Ido
[08:20] <intelikey> jessie could be.   *buntu does use fbcon by default  "boot splash"
[08:20] <ardchoille> jcgkffycs: In that pastebin post, you have a line that is commented and it shouldn't be: line 6
[08:20] <PoeticJaffaCake> anyone have an idea why I can sudo su in the terminal but adept manager won;t accept my password?
[08:21] <ardchoille> jcgkffycs: You need to open your sources.list and uncomment that line. Let me know if you want help doing this.
[08:21] <jessie> intelikey: im pretty sure i do have it enabled.... but im not gonna restart x to test it... texting my gf... haha
[08:22] <jcgkffycs> is this the line? deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[08:22] <intelikey> jessie has nothing to do with xorg btw
[08:22] <jessie> intelikey: really? then with your grub options?
[08:22] <intelikey> yes
[08:22] <ardchoille> jcgkffycs: It has a "#" in front of it, you need to remiove that "#" and then update: sudo apt-get update
[08:23] <intelikey> "boot splash" not "login splash screen in xorg"
[08:23] <intelikey> two seperate critters.
[08:23] <jcgkffycs> yes, I just uncommented it and apt is now working thank you
[08:23] <jessie> intelikey: oh, ok. how would one disable it? and i see that when i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg...
[08:23] <ardchoille> jcgkffycs: yw
[08:24] <jessie> intelikey: sorry, i forgot to finish what i was saying, anyways, when i do that, i can choose to use or not use framebuffer
[08:24] <corinth> Anyone have webcaming working in kopete?
[08:24] <corinth> Like, actually used it before.
[08:24] <PoeticJaffaCake> ah, so this is the solution to my problem apparently according to a google search "Adept still won't accept your sudoer password. We worked around this by giving root a password, and then starting adept. It worked, "but it really shouldn't have been necessary.
[08:25] <jessie> PoeticJaffaCake: i would file a bug with kde/kubuntu
[08:25] <ardchoille> PoeticJaffaCake: What about running this from a term:  kdesu adept_manager
[08:26] <jessie> my guess is that kdesu is linked wrong
[08:26] <intelikey> jessie when you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it does ask if you want to use kernel frame buffer as your xorg driver,   i.e. using fbcon to draw the graphic.  "which i said i don't like to use for watching movies in the console"    but the fbcon module is loaded in the initramfs.img  and is activated with the "splash" or vga=  in the grub config   /boot/grub/menu.lst    used for that eyecandy that puts the startup text in
[08:26] <ardchoille> PoeticJaffaCake: or try:  kdesudo adept_manager
[08:26] <PoeticJaffaCake> I get a cannot connect to x-server message
[08:27] <jessie> intelikey: ohhhh..... ok. learn something new every day... lol
[08:28] <sigma_1234> !samba
[08:28] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[08:28] <intelikey> jessie if you wanted to disable it you can remove the  'splash' or set it to 'nosplash' in the menu.lst    (only affective upon boot up.
[08:28] <sigma_1234> whats a good kde gui for samba?
[08:29] <jessie> intelikey: nah..... ill survive. just good to know the difference between the two
[08:29] <apparle> ardchoille: You are the best person. I have ever chatted with on IRC. You have solved all my problems everytime.  :)   ;)   :D   :D
[08:29] <ardchoille> apparle: Well, thank you :)
[08:30] <intelikey> jessie as to the "how do you do that?"   with package svgalib installed and the module for vlc     vlc -V svgalib "$@"   where $@ would be the file name of a vidio  or a disk drive.
[08:31] <intelikey> and presto the console turned into a movie player
[08:31] <flamesage> He
[08:31] <flamesage> Hey*
[08:31] <flamesage> I have a question
[08:31] <flamesage> Is there a "correct" way of installing compiz-fusion on Kubuntu?
[08:32] <intelikey> !compiz | flamesage if so this will have it.
[08:32] <ubotu> flamesage if so this will have it.: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:32] <flamesage> That's for Ubuntu..
[08:32] <flamesage> Not Kubuntu :/
[08:32] <jessie> intelikey: and what color bitrate thingy would that give me?
[08:32] <jessie> 16 bit?
[08:32] <intelikey> i said if there is.  that page will have it.
[08:32] <firecrotch> flamesage:  it still applies.
[08:33] <intelikey> jessie 24bit
[08:33] <jessie> intelikey: really? wow
[08:33] <jessie> i might have to go try this
[08:33] <funcrush> How can I include a widget like system tray in taskbar in KDE4?
[08:33]  * seishinbyou installed Beryl in Kubuntu and just used that in whatever WM he wanted to use at the time
[08:34] <apparle> I want to run a particular konsole command when I press a Key combination. How to do that?
[08:34] <firecrotch> funcrush:  drag it from the Add Widget window to the panel...
[08:34] <intelikey> jessie ummm i should mention that you have to manually config the rc file for the svgalib  in /etc/vga/
[08:34] <Jay-Oh-En> where can i get drivers for a canon multiPASS mp700
[08:34] <intelikey>  libvga.config  in particular.
[08:34] <llutz> apparle: use screen
[08:35] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Is that a scanner?
[08:35] <Jay-Oh-En> no printer
[08:35] <apparle> llutz: What is a screen
[08:35] <funcrush> firecrotch: It doesn't work..
[08:35] <jessie> intelikey: haha... ok, well i think ill just stick to kaffine then.... whats the advantage of using the konsole/terminal?
[08:35] <seishinbyou> Hi, I don't really have any problems with Kubuntu or anything like that.  I'm just here for the ride
[08:35] <firecrotch> funcrush:  what part of it doesn't work?
[08:35] <llutz> apparle: screen -  - screen manager with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation
[08:35] <firecrotch> funcrush: that's how I've put stuff on my panel
[08:36] <intelikey> jessie heh.  yeah telling people that they will have to tell the package what kind of hard ware has been bad for the business for a long time....  ;/
[08:36] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: well im not sure if the driver is the problem i think its the settings
[08:36] <apparle> llutz: I am new to linux. Please tell something easy
[08:36] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: it always prints really small
[08:36] <llutz> apparle: there you can define actions on various keypress, not sure how to do that with dash
[08:36] <firecrotch> funcrush:  although there have been reports that it doesn't work properly all the time due to a bug
[08:36] <funcrush> firecroch: well, I drag a widget but not included in taskbar.
[08:36] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Ok, I don't see that model on the hardware support canon page either
[08:36] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: and in like a small square at the top left of the paper
[08:36] <jessie> intelikey: true true..... so whats a perk about using the terminal to watch vids?
[08:36] <funcrush> firecrotch: well.. anyway thank you:)
[08:37] <firecrotch> funcrush:  is the widget already on the desktop?
[08:37] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Hmm, no idea. You might try http://ubuntuforums.org if you don't get an answer here
[08:37] <funcrush> firecrotch: yup, I added it in desktop already
[08:37] <intelikey> no xorg or any of the heavy stuff needed.   can be used on a minimal hw minimal install situation.   for one.     impresses the newbeez for another  :)
[08:38] <firecrotch> funcrush:  remove it from the desktop, open the add widget window, and drag it directly from the add widget window to the panel
[08:38] <apparle> llutz: There is no GUI tool
[08:38] <funcrush> firecrotch: ah... I see. thank you!!
[08:38] <funcrush> firecrotch: it works!
[08:38] <firecrotch> funcrush:  you're welcome! took me a while to figure that one out lol
[08:39] <jessie> intelikey: hahaha.... those are very good points...... lol. minimal hardware is good
[08:39] <jessie> and speaking of which, what do you guys reccomend for a pdvr?
[08:39] <funcrush> firecrotch: my english is bad anyway thank you very much^^
[08:39] <intelikey> jessie i like being able to have it full screen (which of course that is) and just hit a key to switch consoles for what ever and right back.
[08:40] <jessie> intelikey: that is also true. what res? what ever you tell it to be?
[08:40] <apparle4292> Hello
[08:40] <PoeticJaffaCake> ok, well I had to set a root password, but have submitted the bug
[08:41] <intelikey> umm i think im configured at 1024x800   it is adjustable in the config file.
[08:41] <intelikey> that's not right.   1024x768
[08:41] <jerome_> q. i would like to get the network/cpu/ram usage on the taskbar, where should i look ?
[08:42] <intelikey> highest i have tried is 1200x1024
[08:42] <jessie> intelikey: i might have to eventually try that out. it sounds like a good way to watch a movie while at school ;)
[08:42] <intelikey> jerome_ maybe ksysguard ?
[08:42] <jerome_> intelikey: i was hoping you would not say that :)
[08:42] <apparle> I wanna make a menu in the taskbar similar to System menu, which will display the contents of /media
[08:43] <jerome_> intelikey: ok i will try again ksysguard :)
[08:43] <intelikey> jerome_ yeah that's not what you want anyway
[08:43] <jerome_> intelikey: any alternative ?
[08:43] <intelikey> you want seperate applets
[08:43] <seishinbyou> Ah, is there any program in Kubuntu that will allow me to run old dBaseIV .prg files?
[08:43] <intelikey> ummmm idk.
[08:43] <seishinbyou> there was one, dbman, but the rpms for that fell of the face of the earth years ago
[08:44] <intelikey> jerome_ i really don't mess with a gui much.   maybe someone else knows
[08:44] <jerome_> intelikey: ok i will reask later then. thanks :)
[08:44] <Jay-Oh-En> where can i get drivers for a canon multiPASS mp730 ardchoille
[08:44] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: it wasnt 700 it was 730
[08:45] <intelikey> heh when i wnat to know the temp of a box,  i just   cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[08:46] <CppIsWeird> how i get kubuntu to double click instead of single click?
[08:46] <intelikey> jerome_ lm-sensors    is a package you may want to install tho
[08:47] <intelikey> CppIsWeird <<< you can say that again.  cpp is wierd!
[08:47] <jessie> CppIsWeird: that is in the system settings under mouse
[08:48] <CppIsWeird> lol
[08:48] <CppIsWeird> i guess thats a good place to put it
[08:48] <CppIsWeird> thanks
[08:48] <jessie> haha..... any time
[08:48] <sigma_1234> can konq hide known file extensions?
[08:48] <apparle> anybody knows an offline dictionary
[08:49] <llutz> apparle: ding
[08:49] <CppIsWeird> sigma, why on earth would you want to do that? one of the most annoying features of windows
[08:49] <apparle> I will be online after 5 min
[08:50] <intelikey> apparle i have the full websters unabridged 1825  and a script to parse it that if i had a place to post it i would point you to....
[08:50] <intelikey> can't exactly use pastebin for that tho
[08:51] <jessie> intelikey: how much space would it take, you think?
[08:51] <intelikey> 10 m
[08:52] <intelikey> packed.   give me a minute and i'll tell you.
[08:52] <sigma_1234> i find showing the extensions rather annoying
[08:52] <jessie> intelikey: sounds good
[08:52] <jessie> and then im hitting the hay guys
[08:53] <CppIsWeird> heh, to each their own when it comes to interfaces. :-P
[08:55] <intelikey> 7.5M websters.tar.bz2
[08:55] <sigma_1234> how do you restart samba?
[08:55] <intelikey> jessie have a place to post that ?
[08:55] <jessie> wow.... thats not bad at all.
[08:55] <jessie> yes, actually, i do
[08:55] <jessie> but could i get in legal trouble?
[08:56] <intelikey> well it's all gnu-gpl   as far as i know.
[08:56] <apparle> llutz: Please repeat the name of dictionary
[08:56] <llutz> apparle: ding
[08:57] <intelikey> i mean i wrote the script my self. i know it is.  and the data file is plain gext from a gpl'd text file...
[08:57] <apparle> llutz: GUI or CLI??
[08:57] <llutz> apparle: gui
[08:57] <intelikey> gext   :)   opps
[08:57] <jessie> intelikey: oh, ok.... i meant with the dictionary..
[08:57] <jessie> like, would webster come after me?
[08:57] <llutz> intelikey: some guys prefer to type into guis, don't know why ;)
[08:58] <enry> hello
[08:59] <apparle> llutz: I don't like to type into GUI. Its just simpler for GUIs. Don't worry I will learn CLI soon
[08:59] <llutz> apparle: in most cases it isn't simpler at all, but you will see that later :)
[08:59] <intelikey> jessie msg me.
[09:00] <apparle> llutz: I agree with you. I am just learning CLI and using GUI as temporary. By the way I am not fussed about GUI dictionary, I want hotkey support
[09:00] <jessie> intelikey: how? haha
[09:01] <jessie> apparle: i use vim.. hehe.... its the best!
[09:01] <intelikey> /msg intelikey
[09:01] <intelikey> are you registered ?
[09:01] <intelikey> i'm not or i would have already opened the pm.
[09:02] <apparle> jessie: What is vim?
[09:02] <jessie> apparle: its like.... nano.... but better
[09:02] <intelikey> text editor
[09:02] <jessie> vi improved
[09:02] <tolano> Hello, will kde4 be included in Kubuntu Gutsy? if yes, when is it happening? Thanks
[09:02] <jessie> intelikey: no, im not
[09:03] <intelikey> well we'll leave this for another day then
[09:03] <apparle> jessie: Is it offline, Does it have hotkey support
[09:03] <firecrotch> tolano: It's in gutsy-backports
[09:03] <jessie> intelikey: email it to me... maybe... hmm.....
[09:03] <jessie> haha.... break it up into serveral parts, if possible
[09:04] <tolano> firecrotch: Do you mean this  http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu ?
[09:05] <apparle> llutz: Is ding available on packages.ubuntu.com
[09:05] <llutz> apparle: it's in universe repo
[09:05] <firecrotch> tolano: no, it should be in the backports repo already, but you can use ppa too if you want
[09:06] <tolano> firecrotch: if I use them, will I have any problem when there is the official packages available?
[09:06] <apparle> llutz: I don't understand that. I am running on an WinXP box and wanna download it.
[09:06] <firecrotch> tolano:  You shouldn't
[09:07] <tolano> firecrotch: Thank you very much, I'm gonna tryç
[09:07] <tolano> bye
[09:07] <llutz> apparle: boot into kubuntu, install it via package-manager
[09:07] <jessie> intelikey: Ok, well im going to bed now.... haha..... 2 o clock where im at. if you do get that split up or what not, my emails jessie at confettinatiques.com.
[09:08] <jessie> that last part of my email would probably be the place i would post it
[09:08] <apparle> llutz: not possible as I don't have net at home. I am in college on box with only XP
[09:08] <apparle> jessie:  Is it offline, Does it have hotkey support
[09:09] <jessie> apparle: well, im not sure... you'd have to ask intelikey
[09:09] <llutz> apparle: it probably  won't work this way, because of all the dependencies a package has. they all need to be solved
[09:09] <jessie> i would guess he could make it work that way
[09:10] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: No idea, I've never had a printer.
[09:10] <jessie> k, i really need to leave now
[09:10] <jessie> peace
[09:11] <apparle> llutz: I have been doing that for all the packages I need for last 3 months. I am quite good at it
[09:11] <mlpug> Are kernel images for ubuntu and kubuntu totally interchangeable? Do instructions at help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile apply when building FOR kubuntu or IN kubuntu? where are instruction to build just one module (driver) not the whole kernel?
[09:11] <llutz> apparle: then search on ubuntu-page for ding and its dependencies, load all of them and try
[09:13] <intelikey> mlpug they are not interchangable. they are the same.   i.e. no seperate builds.  same package/file.
[09:14] <apparle> anybody knows a program for Windows to download packages from repositories
[09:15] <intelikey> !packages
[09:15] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[09:15] <mlpug> intelikey, thats what I wanted to hear because it means that I can try to build custom kernel for kubuntu 7.10 in my ubuntu 7.10. Or actually I should change just couple of lines in one module/driver
[09:15] <intelikey> use that url in ie  ^
[09:16] <intelikey> yep if they are both up to date mlpug they have the same file.deb package of the kernel installed.
[09:16] <ody> hi all, is there a way to intergrate synaptic in my kubuntu installation and remove adept?
[09:16] <apparle> intelikey: I know that. I just want something similar to apt-get for Windows to download packages for linux
[09:16] <intelikey> apparle i'm not aware of any.
[09:17] <apparle> ody: why do you prefer synaptic
[09:17] <ody> probably cause I'm used to it, plus it looks better
[09:17] <intelikey> ody sure install the one and remove the other.
[09:18] <ardchoille> ody: You can just run synaptic in kubuntu, you can run most any gnome app in kubuntu
[09:18] <ody> will it check for updates automatically though?
[09:18] <intelikey> most any ?    are there some you can't ?
[09:18] <ardchoille> intelikey: Not sure, best to cover my bases ;)
[09:18] <intelikey> :)
[09:18] <intelikey> ok.   des quatro
[09:19] <ardchoille> ody: I don't think synaptic does that
[09:19] <ody> ok thanks
[09:19] <intelikey> updatemanager does that ?
[09:20] <ardchoille> intelikey: adept_notifier ?
[09:20] <seishinbyou> hm, why is it that if I didn't install the 64bit version for my sempron, the HDD/USB/IO throughput drops to 1meg/sec?
[09:20] <intelikey> in ubuntu ?
[09:20] <ardchoille> intelikey: Not sure, I use cli for all package stuff
[09:20] <apparle> I am unable to open packages.ubuntu.com What to do
[09:20] <intelikey> or i mean  update-manager
[09:21] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: hey if ubuntu has the driver for there program do you think i could get it from that
[09:21] <Jay-Oh-En> ?
[09:21] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: As I said, I know nothing about printers or their drivers
[09:22] <intelikey> Jay-Oh-En you mean setup the printer in gnome and then use it in kde  ?     if so the answer is yes.
[09:22] <Jay-Oh-En> yeah
[09:22]  * intelikey has had to fly that path.
[09:23] <Jay-Oh-En> but i dont want to install gnome :[
[09:23] <intelikey> !purekde | but after you set it up...
[09:23] <ubotu> but after you set it up...: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[09:24] <intelikey> just a thought.   not sujesting you do it.
[09:24] <Jay-Oh-En> why
[09:24] <intelikey> cause that's your decision and if you make a bad one, then i don't want noted for it..
[09:24] <apparle> intelikey: Will win-get serve my purpose http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=7c5b878cb63a2164dbfe84d0846bfbbb
[09:25] <Jay-Oh-En> hey intelikey its not like im gonig to come back here and be like its all his fault ill just reinstall if i cant fix it with my hands
[09:26] <intelikey> apparle i doubt it.   but you can try.
[09:26] <Jay-Oh-En> intelikey: but if i do purekde wont it remove my printer
[09:26] <Jay-Oh-En> >?
[09:27] <intelikey> no.  cups will have the printcap and other configs.  and is independant of either DE
[09:27] <apparle> I wanna run a particular command when I press a key combo. How?
[09:28] <intelikey> that's the reason that you can setup a printer from one DE and then use the printer from the other DE   cause cups is what you are configuring,  and gnome and kde just provide tools to help you configure it.
[09:28] <intelikey> apparle khotkeys
[09:29] <apparle> intelikey: how to use them
[09:29] <intelikey> apparle run that.  and setup the command and key combo
[09:30] <ardchoille> intelikey: Whoa, that returned "ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed." First crash I've seen since Breezy
[09:30] <intelikey> really.
[09:30] <intelikey> !bug
[09:30] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[09:31] <jerome_> !language
[09:31] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[09:31] <jerome_> q. i look for a documentation on how to add language/keyboardlayout, where should i look ?
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: ive never crashed before and if you dont want to see anymore you shouldnt use kde4
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> lol
[09:32] <ardchoille> hehe
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> that crashes all the time
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> but if you want to try it
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> you should use the live cd
[09:33] <seishinbyou> can't be worse than the way Vista crashes though.  At least restarting X is relatively painless
[09:33] <ardchoille> jerome_: systemsettings > Regional & Language
[09:33] <intelikey> !keyboard | jerome
[09:33] <ubotu> jerome: To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[09:33] <Jay-Oh-En> seishinbyou: not all the time but vista is horrible dont even speak of it in here
[09:33] <jerome_> ardchoille: it doesnt propose the language i want. i think i must add a bunch of package. but i dunno which one. hence my request for a doc
[09:34] <Jay-Oh-En> has anybody here used xfce
[09:34] <Jay-Oh-En> ?
[09:34] <ardchoille> jerome_: Let me look..
[09:34] <intelikey> jerome_ probably language-pack-****
[09:34] <intelikey> what language you want ?
[09:34] <jerome_> ok looking
[09:34] <jerome_> intelikey: french so like language-pack-fr
[09:35] <intelikey> yeah
[09:35] <ardchoille> jerome_: apt-cache search | grep language
[09:35] <jerome_> ardchoille: ok
[09:35] <intelikey> jerome_   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d675cf58e
[09:36] <seishinbyou> Jay-Oh-En: I have/do
[09:36] <apparle> Can I add a popup menu to task bar like KMenu
[09:37] <intelikey> ardchoille heh   that's the full list alright.  :)    apt-cache -n search fr | grep lang
[09:37] <ardchoille> apparle: If you are looking for a different kind of menu, try kbfx
[09:37] <ardchoille> intelikey: Nice
[09:39] <apparle> ardchoille: No I want a menu showing the contents of /media.
[09:40] <intelikey> apparle "a quick browser" itom
[09:40] <ardchoille> yeah, quick browser would work
[09:40] <apparle> explain more
[09:41] <ardchoille> apparle: right click the panel, choose Add applet to panel. look for the Quick File Browser applet and add it
[09:41] <intelikey> if it's not kde4   right click a blank portion of the kicker/pannel and add to pannel    quick browser
[09:41] <Jay-Oh-En> seishinbyou: show me a screenshot i want to see how nice you made it look
[09:42] <Jay-Oh-En> seishinbyou: is it fast?
[09:42] <seishinbyou> xfce?  It's fast all right.  Uses few resources
[09:43] <seishinbyou> My desktops always look like crap, but I can show you if you want
[09:43]  * seishinbyou like a billion windows open at a time
[09:43] <Jay-Oh-En> seishinbyou: ok show me
[09:43] <Jay-Oh-En> seishinbyou: wanna see mine?
[09:43] <apparle> ardchoille: Will try when home
[09:44] <MilitantPotato> Is the repo in the KDE4 link the only one I need to add?
[09:45] <apparle> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[09:45] <apparle>  How to fix this
[09:45] <MilitantPotato> I'm getting a couple unmet dependencies
[09:45] <jussi01> MilitantPotato: I assume you are following the !kde4 instructions?
[09:45] <seishinbyou> Jay-Oh-En: Okay.  I'm DCCing you a snapshot
[09:45] <MilitantPotato> !kde4
[09:45] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu
[09:45] <fdoving> apparle: you need the xorg-dev package.
[09:46] <intelikey> apparle install the "X libraries"
[09:46] <seishinbyou> If that doesn't work I can put it on my server
[09:46] <MilitantPotato> yes I am jussi01
[09:46] <apparle> intelikey: Please tell me the package
[09:46] <jussi01> MilitantPotato: did you update?
[09:46] <MilitantPotato> It's downloading packages now
[09:46] <intelikey> apparle fdoving beet me to it
 apparle: you need the xorg-dev package.
[09:47] <MilitantPotato> The main portions are working, but there was one meta package that wouldn't work, I forgot the name, give me a few and I'll get it
[09:47] <MilitantPotato> I got the error when I tried to mark Kweather
[09:47] <apparle> fdoving: do you have Kubuntu Gutsy 7.10 i386
[09:47] <Jay-Oh-En> seishinbyou: want a snapshot of mine?
[09:47] <seishinbyou> sure
[09:48] <seishinbyou> I'm trying a DCC with you, are you able to get it?
[09:48] <fdoving> apparle: yes.
[09:48] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En , seishinbyou Perhaps continue that in #kubuntu-offtopic or pm?
[09:48] <jussi01> MilitantPotato: and you are certain you removed any previous kde4 packages?
[09:48] <MilitantPotato> jussi01: yes, I never installed anything KDE4
[09:49] <jussi01> MilitantPotato: hmmm
[09:49] <jussi01> !brokenkde4
[09:49] <ubotu> If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[09:49] <jussi01> MilitantPotato: you can try that  I suppose...
[09:49] <MilitantPotato> It needed a ppa3, but only the ppa1 existed in the repo, in a few I'll have the info
[09:49] <apparle> fdoving: Could you please download xorg-dev with all dependencies and send them to me in a zip? You can do it in a command but I have to download each any every file seperately
[09:50] <gladier> apparle: its all in the repos ...
[09:50] <fdoving> apparle: no. i'm busy.
[09:50] <MilitantPotato> do i replace KDMRC?
[09:50] <apparle> gladier: I am using XP
[09:50] <apparle> fdoving: OK  :o
[09:50] <fdoving> apparle: there is this app named apt-zip
[09:51] <apparle> fdoving: what will it do?
[09:51] <fdoving> apparle: you find out, google, packages.ubuntu.com and so on :)
[09:52] <intelikey> or use the bot    /msg ubotu info apt-zip
[09:52] <apparle> fdoving: thanks for the help
[09:54] <jerome_> intelikey: ardchoille: it did the job. thanks :)
[09:54] <ardchoille> jerome_: Good job :)
[09:54] <MilitantPotato> !pastebin
[09:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:55] <MilitantPotato> Any ideas? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51642/
[09:56] <apparle> anybody here who could download xorg-dev with all dependencies for me and send a .zip to me PLEASEEEEEEE...........
[09:56] <jpatrick> apparle: ?
[09:57] <Topsun> thats a little bit huge
[09:57] <MilitantPotato> apparle: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xorg-dev&searchon=names&suite=stable&section=all
[09:57] <intelikey> apparle only if you want 6.6    not likely  ;/
[09:58] <MilitantPotato> Any ideas on what's on that pastebin link?
[09:58] <apparle> All the files are of size near about 1KB. Just that there are to many too download one by one in windows
[09:58] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: I'm looking
[09:58] <MilitantPotato> ty
[09:58] <Jay-Oh-En> http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/pronege/mydekstop2.png
[09:58] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: you using backports?
[09:59] <MilitantPotato> no
[09:59] <MilitantPotato> I'll enable them if you think that would help
[09:59] <Topsun> apparle: and why aren't you downloading via apt?
[09:59] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: looks like you're using some old packages
[09:59] <intelikey> MilitantPotato  3.97.0
[10:00] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: try: sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-dev
[10:00] <apparle> Topsun: I have either a computer with net and windows or a computer with  kubuntu but without windows
[10:01] <Topsun> apparle: but you have networking on that kubuntu?
[10:01] <MilitantPotato> jpatrick: doing it now
[10:02] <apparle> Topsun: nope. That's the big problem
[10:02] <MilitantPotato> intelikey: I'm not following...
[10:02] <mikkael> is it only me, or is kopete-kde4 not able to connect to any network/protocol ?
[10:02] <Topsun> apparle: have you discovered why you don't have network?
[10:03] <jpatrick> mikkael: that poor app needs work still
[10:03] <mohi> hi guuz
[10:03] <mikkael> jpatrick: so what do you recommend for msn messenger and icq on kde4 ? (i know they suck, but i have people there)
[10:04] <apparle> Topsun: Simple. My parents are not allowing me to subscribe to an internet connection. and the other box is in the college
[10:04] <intelikey> MilitantPotato the package kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 depends on the version 3.97.0 of kdebase-runtime-data but you have 4.0 installed   thus i assume the problem is a version mismatch with the  kdebase-runtime-bin*
[10:04] <Topsun> apparle: ah ok, i see
[10:04] <mikkael> i think ill stick with konversation for irc, i like it, using it for the very first time
[10:04] <jpatrick> mikkael: no idea, I've only used Kopete
[10:04] <MilitantPotato> Ah. lovely
[10:04] <mohi> I wanna install ubuntu-desktop on the kubuntu+kde4 with adept! does it works? or needs something special?
[10:04] <intelikey> MilitantPotato i was following up on what jpatrick said.
[10:04] <apparle> Topsun: So could you do my job?
[10:05] <mikkael> jpatrick: the problem is: i was able to use the kde3 kopete on kde4, but since yesterday or so it launches kopete-kde4 even with the command kopete
[10:05] <jpatrick> intelikey, MilitantPotato: I believe kdebase-runtime no longer exists
[10:05] <jpatrick> mikkael: so launch the kde3 one :)
[10:05] <Topsun> apparle: well let's see. which version do you have? 7.10?
[10:05] <mikkael> jpatrick: "kopete" launches kopete-kde4 :(
[10:06] <intelikey> jpatrick kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 ?
[10:06] <MilitantPotato> marking 3.97 wants to remove pretty much all of KDE4
[10:06] <jpatrick> mikkael: Alt-F2 should show the Kopete KDE3 one too
[10:06] <apparle> Topsun: Kubuntu Gutsy 7.10 i386
[10:06] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: because it's old :)
[10:06] <jpatrick> intelikey: I know "kdebase-runtime" got removed
[10:06] <mikkael> my alt shortcuts are broken, but i will try with the launcher
[10:06] <MilitantPotato> why would kweather-kde4 want an older incompatible package?
[10:07] <apparle> Topsun: Another blow for me. Unable to open packages.ubuntu.com from our college network
[10:08] <intelikey> aptitude remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}') kdebase-bin-kde3+  # MilitantPotato
[10:08] <Topsun> apparle: perhaps you college has an internal mirror for ubuntu and so they block direct downloads
[10:08] <mohi> sorry I wanna install ubuntu-desktop on the kubuntu+kde4 with adept! does it works? or needs something special?
[10:08] <MilitantPotato> sudo aptitude remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}') kdebase-bin-kde3+  #
[10:08] <mikkael> mohi: it should work, you will asked if you want gdm or kdm
[10:09] <Dekans> hello all
[10:09] <Dekans> i have a little pbm with desktop grid on KDE 4
[10:09] <intelikey> and apt-get update :apt-get dist-upgrade    # MilitantPotato
[10:09] <white_eagle> and I still cannot get KWIN to work in KDE 4
[10:09] <apparle> Topsun: I don't think so as nobody here even knows what ubuntu is
[10:09] <mohi> mikkael: :) tanx
[10:09] <white_eagle> i've selected both xrender and opengl
[10:10] <Topsun> apparle: :)
[10:10] <white_eagle> and I don't get the special effects
[10:10] <mikkael> jpatrick: uninstalling kopete-kde4 solved my problem
[10:10] <apparle> Topsun: Can you get xorg-dev for me?
[10:10] <intelikey> apt-get install kde4-core # MilitantPotato
[10:11] <Dekans> desktop grid is activated but ctrl+F8 has no effect
[10:11] <eekee> ohayo.. does Dapper Drake include kde 3 or 4? What about Gutsy Gibbon?
[10:11] <Dekans> yesterday it was OK
[10:11] <Dekans> eekee: KDE 3
[10:11] <eekee> Dekans: cheers
[10:11] <apparle> Topsun: Can you get xorg-dev for me
[10:11] <white_eagle> please tell me how can I enable kwin :((( I went to tick the box from enable desktop effects , nothing happened
[10:12] <white_eagle> I changed from opengl to xrender, nothing happened
[10:12] <vzduch> white_eagle: kwin is not a desktop effect (if that's the same as in KDE3 at least..), it's the window manager itself
[10:12] <Topsun> apparle: yes, 38 MB are ok
[10:12] <mikkael> white_eagle: which driver for your graphics card ?
[10:12] <white_eagle> restricted
[10:12] <white_eagle> compiz runs in GNOME
[10:12] <MilitantPotato> yea kweather-kde4 still won't install, same errors
[10:12] <Topsun> apparle: the archives are 12 MB
[10:13] <MilitantPotato> i'm going to hop on KDE4 real quick, see how it goes
[10:13] <Topsun> apparle: an how would you get it from me?
[10:13] <intelikey> Topsun /dcc send apparle file.zip
[10:13] <intelikey> oops sorry.
[10:13] <Topsun> intelikey: thanks
[10:14] <white_eagle> compiz-fusion runs perfectly in Gnome but kwin doesn't work in KDE 4
[10:15] <apparle> Topsun: As said by intelikey or mail it to me
[10:15] <mikkael> white_eagle: are you sure it doesnt work, how do you know ? there are no wobbly windows or a cube
[10:15] <Topsun> apparle: be patient, i'm working on it :)
[10:15] <white_eagle> mikkael, there isn't a desktop grid
[10:15] <apparle> Topsun: Alright
[10:15] <ZeBarbu> hi all
[10:15] <mikkael> white_eagle: what do you mean be grid, sorry for my english
[10:16] <mikkael> *by#
[10:16] <white_eagle> you know the desktop workspaces
[10:16] <ZeBarbu> on official kde4 kubuntu packages, I've no keyboard shortcuts (alt+tab, alt+f2, ...)
[10:16] <ZeBarbu> is it a known problem?
[10:16] <ZeBarbu> I tried with new user...
[10:16] <mikkael> white_eagle: that has nothing to do with composite effects
[10:16] <white_eagle> I have now alt-tab previews
[10:16] <white_eagle> no*
[10:16] <white_eagle> sorry
[10:17] <ZeBarbu> white_eagle: the same for me
[10:17] <white_eagle> i have no translucent windows
[10:17] <ZeBarbu> neither alt+f2
[10:17] <mikkael> white_eagle: maybe your alt-shortcuts are not working, same here..try alt +f4 or alt +f2
[10:17] <white_eagle> they work
[10:17] <white_eagle> alt-f4 works
[10:17] <ZeBarbu> mikkael: it doesn't work for me
[10:18] <mikkael> white_eagle: did you enable some effects in systemsettings ?
[10:18] <white_eagle> and also, I can't see a wireless monitor in kDE 4
[10:18] <mikkael> ZeBarbu: do you know a solution ?
[10:18] <white_eagle> i connect to the internet via wifi
[10:18] <apparle> Topsun: Could you also mail it. Just in case I need it some time later
[10:18] <white_eagle> and I can't connect via KDE4 because there isn't a place where I can manage them
[10:18] <Topsun> apparle: ok
[10:18] <ZeBarbu> mikkael: not yet... i investigate...
[10:19] <jpatrick> white_eagle: kdm-kde4 is borked
[10:19] <mikkael> white_eagle: you can launch kde3-apps in kde4, so launch network manager ?
[10:19] <MilitantPotato> very slick.
[10:19] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: yes!
[10:19] <white_eagle> s(l)ick
[10:19] <MilitantPotato> I miss the old K menu though
[10:20] <intelikey> question will kde4 use the debian menu if you install it ?
[10:21] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: opne plamsa add applet and chose Appliction Launhccher Menu
[10:21] <CharlieKane> hello
[10:21] <vzduch> jpatrick: are you drunk? o0
[10:21] <vzduch> :D
[10:21] <MilitantPotato> oh great i removed the task bar
[10:21] <CharlieKane> How is everyone finding KDE 4.0 ?
[10:21] <MilitantPotato> jpatrick: one more time?
[10:22] <mikkael> CharlieKane: i like it very much, feels futuristic :) i will use it as my primary desktop
[10:22] <MilitantPotato> ah great, fusion-icon whited out my screen
[10:22] <MilitantPotato> MilitantPotato:
[10:22] <CharlieKane> mikkael: I like it but I'm having issues that I think I need to do bug reports for
[10:23] <jpatrick> vzduch: slow ssh connection
[10:23] <jpatrick> vzduch: slow ssh connectionnnnection
[10:23] <CharlieKane> I'm not sure how much of it is KDE 4 and how much is packaging issues
[10:23] <apparle> How to open .ppt files in linux
[10:23] <CharlieKane> apparle: OpenOffice.org
[10:24] <apparle> CharlieKane: thanks
[10:24] <CharlieKane> np
[10:24] <mikkael> CharlieKane: yes i have some issues too, for example most alt shortcuts dont work..but its so good to be able to launch kde3 apps for fixing some holes :D
[10:24] <CharlieKane> I'm having a bit of a problemo or two...
[10:24] <CharlieKane> The panel has dissappeared
[10:24] <CharlieKane> :O
[10:24] <CharlieKane> :p
[10:25] <mikkael> CharlieKane: somewhere i did read how to bring it back
[10:25] <CharlieKane> mikkael: yeah I'd like to know :p
[10:25] <intelikey> i can't seem to get an ftp server to accept a simple login
[10:25] <CharlieKane> performance isn't great... not sure if its using my graphics card properly
[10:26] <MilitantPotato> ouch, compiz-fusion didn't like something.
[10:26] <MilitantPotato> Anyway, how do I get the panel back?
[10:26] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: I'd like to know :p
[10:27] <mikkael> you could rename .kde4, then a new one gets created, but you will loose your previous config
[10:27] <CharlieKane> mikkael: ?
[10:27] <mikkael> or simply reload it ? its a plasmoid..
[10:28] <CharlieKane> I dunno how to do that
[10:28] <MilitantPotato> whick plasmoid?
[10:28] <MilitantPotato> top right charlie
[10:28] <MilitantPotato> the orange blob
[10:28] <mikkael> dont know the english name
[10:28] <MilitantPotato> Widget?
[10:29] <MilitantPotato> huh
[10:29] <MilitantPotato> ok i'll just delete the .kde4
[10:29] <CharlieKane> task manager ?
[10:29] <mikkael> CharlieKane: trial and error! sounds good
[10:29] <sylvain-fr> :X
[10:29] <sylvain-fr> !X
[10:30] <sylvain-fr> !Xorg
[10:30] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:30] <jpatrick> Kubuntu meeting in 30 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[10:30] <corinth> A few questions tonight. :-). First, what application is meant to control volume in KDE 4, KMix still?
[10:30] <jpatrick> corinth: kmix-kde4
[10:30] <mikkael> kmix-kde4
[10:31] <CharlieKane> Ok I thnk I've got the taskbar... only problem is its a kind of a little rounded rectangle blob with no way of manipulating it
[10:32] <intelikey> Login incorrect.
[10:32] <intelikey> Could not open host <IP_ADDRESS>: username and/or password was not accepted for login.
[10:32] <corinth> jpatrick: I'm trying to launch that using alt-f2, but it won't launch. Maybe it's not installed?
[10:32] <mikkael> try to drag and drop it to where it should be (a new one out of the list, not the blob)
[10:32] <intelikey> why am i not able to setup a simple ftp server      something isn't right here.
[10:32] <jpatrick> corinth: probably not :)
[10:33] <corinth> jpatrick: I instaled KDE 4.0 using the instructions on the Kubuntu website. Should this have installed all the KDE 4 apps?
[10:33] <corinth> *installed
[10:33] <jpatrick> corinth: no
[10:33] <sylvain-fr> Hi
[10:34] <corinth> jpatrick: Heh, alright. Where do I get the KDE 4 apps, then?
[10:34] <corinth> Should they be in adept now?
[10:34] <jpatrick> corinth: ry installing "kde4" and you'll see they're huge
[10:34] <sylvain-fr> I am searching for help about FreeBSD, but in #freebsd chans, nobody talks (maybe because I didn't register ?)
[10:34] <CharlieKane> mikkael: nope... just makes another blob
[10:34] <jpatrick> corinth: just install kmix-kde4
[10:34] <corinth> jpatrick: You mean search for kde4 in adept?
[10:35] <mikkael> CharlieKane: try to drop it on the really bottom of your screen, if thats not working i have no idea :/
[10:35] <CharlieKane> k
[10:35] <MilitantPotato> how do you view hidden files in konq?
[10:35] <sylvain-fr> I am also searching for help about Xorg
[10:36] <fulat2k> hi folks, just added kde4 packages to my k7.10 installation.
[10:36] <fulat2k> can't seem to get back to the GUI.  any ideas?
[10:37] <sylvain-fr> Is it possible - with only one computer - to have many users, and keyboard, screen and mouse for each of them, if they are logged ?
[10:37] <jpatrick> fulat2k: sudo /etc/initi.d/kdm restart
[10:38] <jpatrick> fulat2k: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[10:38] <fulat2k> hmmm
[10:38] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: yea
[10:38] <MilitantPotato> There's a linux OS floating around that does that, requires several video cards though
[10:38] <sylvain-fr> and how can I do ?
[10:38] <hola> i installed kde4 from adet in kde3.5 but when i restart the sisyem, X dont start, i had to start manuallywhith startx command
[10:39] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: thank you.
[10:39] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: I'm not sure the name, but there is one that does that.
[10:39] <sylvain-fr> I must have 1 graphic card for a screen ?
[10:39] <fulat2k> nothing happened
[10:39] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: makes one PC seem like several, each person has their own screen and mouse/keyboard
[10:39] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: I think so, yes.
[10:39] <tarsonis> hey guys *wave*
[10:39] <MilitantPotato> hey.
[10:40] <MilitantPotato> How do you view hidden files in Konqueror 4?
[10:40] <tarsonis> is the hardy heron alpha 3 usable or is it too buggy?
[10:40] <corinth> jpatrick: I entered 'sudo apt-get install kmix-kde4' in Konsole. Iit says the 'kregexpeditor  mpeglib libarts1-mpeglib kpersonnalizer' are no longer required, and that I should use apt-get autoremove to remove them. Should I do this?
[10:40] <MilitantPotato> Load a Live CD tarsonis :)
[10:40] <corinth> *It says
[10:40] <apparle> Help http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51646/
[10:40] <intelikey> unless they are connecting over a network and you want to setup a terminal server host
[10:40] <tarsonis> MilitantPotato, i want to install it :/
[10:40] <hola> help me please
[10:40] <hola> i installed kde4 from adet in kde3.5 but when i restart the sisyem, X dont start, i had to start manuallywhith startx command
[10:41] <jpatrick> corinth: probably yes
[10:41] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: yes, but It's boring to use samba/nfs/cupsys/etc to share files/printers/etc
[10:42] <corinth> jpatrick: If I want to install all of the kde4 apps, how can I do this?
[10:42] <sylvain-fr> and Internet would be very faster (Ethernet is faster than wireless)
[10:42] <eekee> I'm wondering whether to recommend gutsy gibbon or dapper drake for someone new to linux
[10:43] <sylvain-fr> And I would like to do that with FreeBSD (It's wht I am searching help about it)
[10:43] <intelikey> eekee debian etch
[10:43] <mikkael> corinth: sudo apt-get install kde4
[10:43] <eekee> ha...
[10:43] <eekee> intelikey: why debian? ^^'
[10:44] <intelikey> why not.  you have to start some place.   and etch is good.
[10:44] <jpatrick> corinth: apt-get intsall kde4
[10:44] <jpatrick> corinth: apt-get install kde4
[10:44] <corinth> mikkael, jpatrick: Thanks!
[10:44] <jpatrick> damn connection...
[10:44] <sylvain-fr> If I do that, what must be different from an usual OS ? PC power, Xorg config, and that's all ?
[10:45] <MilitantPotato> ok
[10:45] <MilitantPotato> rm'd the .kde4, got the panel back
[10:45] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: yes, but It's boring to use samba/nfs/cupsys/etc to share files/printers/etc
[10:45] <sylvain-fr> and Internet would be very faster (Ethernet is faster than wireless)
[10:45] <MilitantPotato> couldn't sort out how to combine applets into a pannel
[10:45] <sylvain-fr> And I would like to do that with FreeBSD (It's why I am searching help about it)
[10:46] <sylvain-fr> If I do that, what must be different from an usual OS ? PC power, Xorg config, and that's all ?
[10:46] <hola> help me, after install kde4, X dont start
[10:46] <sylvain-fr> hola: type sudo kdm
[10:46] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: http://userful.com/products/ds
[10:47] <jpatrick> sylvain-fr: bad idea
[10:47] <mikubuntu> hi guys, just installed kde4-core on my ubuntu, and then installed xserver-xephr also, now i need help understanding this next recommendation from the kde.org page: To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm.
[10:47] <hola> sylvain-fr: coomand not found
[10:47] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: Thank you very mush ! It seems to be exactly what I am searching
[10:47] <jpatrick> mikubuntu: do "Xephyr :1"
[10:48] <jpatrick> mikubuntu: and there type "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde"
[10:48] <sylvain-fr> hola: try : sudo startx
[10:48] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: check reviews, I've no idea how good it is, I found it on stumble a few months back.
[10:48] <apparle> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51646/  Can anyone help
[10:48] <eekee> intelikey: pardon me if I take the opinion of someone I know well rather than someone I don't know at all. ;)
[10:48] <hola> sylvain-fr: now i did starx
[10:48] <jpatrick> sylvain-fr, hola: just "startx" will do it
[10:48] <mikubuntu> jpatrick: this is in my reg gnome terminal?
[10:48] <sylvain-fr> jpatrick: why isn't it a good idea ?
[10:48] <jussi01> sylvain-fr: you shouldnt use sudo when you dont need it
[10:49] <hola> sylvain-fr:  but at the boot of the system it doen not start automatically and give a lot of errors
[10:49] <fulat2k> hola: i'm facing the same problem.
[10:49] <fulat2k> it's like kdm is no longer there after i installed KDE4
[10:49] <corinth> My next question: Is there a way to resize the kde4 main panel?
[10:49] <jpatrick> fulat2k: should be
[10:49] <jpatrick> corinth: no (not yet done)
[10:49] <hola> fulat2k: so what i have to do now
[10:49] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: I didn't found it because I was searching french help, maybe ;-)
[10:50]  * sylvain-fr leaves his computer for a few time
[10:50] <fulat2k> hola: still figuring it out :)
[10:50] <CharlieKane> corinth: I lost the panel completely... tried to restart a new one by adding it as a widget but all I get is a little blob
[10:50] <MilitantPotato> how do yo enable showing hidden files in the new konq?
[10:50] <MilitantPotato> you*
[10:50] <hola> fulat2k: i have to remove it?
[10:51] <fulat2k> hola: remove KDE4?
[10:51] <rothchild> MilitantPotato: Its under the 'view' menu
[10:51] <MilitantPotato> CharlieKane: rm -R /home/<USERNAME>/.kde4
[10:51] <rothchild> 'show hidden files'
[10:51] <MilitantPotato> rothchild: not here...
[10:52] <mikubuntu> jpatrick: am i supposed to do this in my regular gnome terminal, or am i supposed to have booted into kde first?
[10:52] <hola> fulat2k: im asking you that because kde 3.5 has now a problem, system menu is empty and X dont start automatilally at the kubuntu start up
[10:52] <jussi01> how does one import bookmarks correctly in the new konq? Ive tried it, but it just gives me one link to the bookmark file, not imports my bookmarks
[10:52] <MilitantPotato> rothchild: no Show Hidden Files here
[10:52] <rothchild> hmmm, I just clocked that you're asking 'new' konq so I dunno, have kubuntu crippled it again?
[10:52] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: ok... done that
[10:53] <MilitantPotato> rothchild: seems that way, looks like they took the worst of dolphin and added it to konq
[10:53] <MilitantPotato> CharlieKane: logout or restart X
[10:53] <MilitantPotato> then login
[10:53] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: ok
[10:53] <CharlieKane> brb
[10:53] <mikkael> its pretty much a vanilla kde4
[10:53] <rothchild> lol@ MilitantPotato
[10:53] <corinth> Any way to resize the kde4 application launcher?
[10:53] <mikubuntu> jpatrick: cause in the gnome terminal i get prob after i do the Xephyr :1 thing
[10:53] <MilitantPotato> this is agrivating
[10:53] <jpatrick> Kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[10:53] <apparle> should I install KDE4
[10:54] <jpatrick> apparle: if you want
[10:54] <MilitantPotato> Viewing hidden files is sorta important
[10:54] <Jay-Oh-En> !purekde
[10:54] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[10:54] <apparle> jpatrick: What is new
[10:54] <rothchild> isn't there a keyboard shortcut like alt-H or somthing?
[10:54] <MilitantPotato> huh, I need to run synaptic from konsole, weird.
[10:54] <mikubuntu> jpatrick: please before you leave for your meeting, help! :)
[10:55] <corinth> in kmix-kde4, there doesn't seem to be a place to set a shortcut for volume increase or decrease. Where can I set those shortcuts?
[10:55] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@ubuntu:~$ Xephyr :1
[10:55] <mikubuntu> Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 625 in ../../../../hw/kdrive/src/kinput.c
[10:55] <mikubuntu> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!
[10:55] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: looks like its back to defaults but still no panel
[10:55] <hola> fulat2k: im asking you that because kde 3.5 has now a problem, system menu is empty and X dont start automatilally at the kubuntu start up
[10:56] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i pure kde by removing all the xubuntu packages?
[10:56] <MilitantPotato> CharlieKane: really? that worked for me... shame
[10:56] <MilitantPotato> hmm
[10:56] <MilitantPotato> maybe you need to restart X so it doesn't save
[10:56] <CharlieKane> I restarted x
[10:57] <MilitantPotato> so run the same command then ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:57] <MilitantPotato> ah
[10:58] <guillaume_> hi every body !!!
[10:58] <intelikey> ok this is not right.   i can login anonamusly  but not as a user    what am i not understanding about vsftpd/proftpd/ftpd  ???
[10:58] <CharlieKane> I'm at a bit of a loss
[10:58] <fdoving> intelikey: that's the default in vsftpd iirc.
[10:58] <CharlieKane> There doesn't seem to be any way of creating a folder anywhere...
[10:59] <mikkael> you can solve the problem with the password not working with: sudo passwd, then enter your password twice
[10:59] <mikkael> (for synaptic, adept, etc)
[10:59] <fdoving> intelikey: there is a 'local_enabled' directive in /etc/vsftpd.conf you must enable, to allow local users to login. and you can also set 'anonymous_enabled' to NO, if yopu don't want it.
[11:00] <intelikey> fdoving i've been through /etc/vsftpd.conf   and /etc/ftpusers   the user name is not in /etc/ftpusers and the .conf says i should be able to.   it checks the password and then fails.
[11:00] <Jay-Oh-En> what record program is on kde
[11:00] <mikkael> CharlieKane: did you try to rename the .kde4 folder in your home directory ?
[11:00] <Jay-Oh-En> so i can record voise?
[11:00] <Jay-Oh-En> voice
[11:00] <CharlieKane> mikkael: no
[11:00] <martin__> yop all :-D
[11:00] <hola> help me, after installed kde4, startx dont start automatically,
[11:00] <martin__> vous allez biieng ?
[11:00] <intelikey> fdoving i have reset the passwd a few times too.    could it be because of nosuid system ?
[11:01] <martin__> il y a du francais ou du belge ici ?
[11:01] <mikkael> CharlieKane: try that, and restart. you will have a complete default kde4
[11:01] <rothchild> martin__ | !fr
[11:01] <CharlieKane> ok
[11:01] <fdoving> intelikey: at least vsftpd isn't suid anything that i'm aware of. maybe some password-checking mechanism it uses needs some suid thing, i don't know.
[11:02] <intelikey> hmmm i'll do some more testing.
[11:02] <martin__> !re
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about re - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <mikkael> hola: sudo apt-get remove kde-kde4
[11:02] <martin__> !fr
[11:02] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:02] <martin__> fr
[11:02] <hola> mikkael: and after?
[11:02] <martin__> thx
[11:03] <nosrednaekim> mikkael: thats not going to work
[11:03] <mikkael> hola: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[11:05] <hola> mikkael: you are sayng to remove kde4 at all
[11:05] <_Angelus_> !flash
[11:05] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[11:05] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[11:05]  * sylvain-fr comes back
[11:05] <sylvain-fr> !Gnash
[11:05] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[11:05] <mikkael> hola: nope
[11:06] <hola> mikkael: but have i to install kd4 again after udo dpkg-reconfigure kdm ?
[11:07] <mikkael> hola: no, this will just set kdem as the login manager again
[11:07] <CharlieKane> mikkael: YAY ITS BACK
[11:07] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: Do you know if http://userful.com/ is free (as in freedom :-) software ?
[11:08] <mikkael> CharlieKane: maybe only for the first start..good luck :/
[11:08] <hola> mikkael: i dont understand sorry, you said to remove kde4 before or not?
[11:08] <CharlieKane> :/
[11:08] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: I think it's shareware
[11:08] <mikkael> hola: no, just remove kde-kde4 if its installed
[11:08] <mikkael> hola: sorry *kdm-kde4
[11:08] <CharlieKane> I have a question about kwin
[11:09] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: yes......
[11:10] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: so, the source code isn't free ?
[11:10] <hola> mikkael: what do you thinks is happened
[11:10] <intelikey> fdoving how can i check and find out where an ftp user is trying to write to ?     the log shows the attempt to write and the non-permission problem but not the path  ?
[11:10] <CharlieKane> kwin's composite effects are not performing well and I want to make sure its using my graphics card... How do I make sure KDE4 is using it ?
[11:11] <sylvain-fr> I think it's not free,see : http://userful.com/download/eula/
[11:11] <lod_> check Xserver's config
[11:11] <mikkael> hola: i dont know, because you didnt give much information. i think you are using kdm-kde4 which is broken at the moment
[11:11] <mikkael> mikkael: but maybe theres just a simple problem with your startkde script
[11:11] <mikkael> whoops
[11:11] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: make ure its not set to Xrender
[11:11] <sylvain-fr> "Customer will not modify, disassemble or decompile the Software without Userful's prior written consent"
[11:12] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: ok
[11:12] <hola> mikkael: for istance, system menu dont work, it says "malformed url"
[11:12] <hola> mikkael: kmenu- system setting dont works
[11:12] <hola> mikkael: whith right mouse bottom on desktop nothing happen
[11:13] <hola> mikkael: and so on
[11:13] <mikkael> hola: kubuntu version ? what did you do to install kde4 ?
[11:13] <CharlieKane> Ive just remembered "run command" is now right-click
[11:13] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: it's not free, it has a free trial (pay to use after thats over)
[11:14] <CharlieKane> :p
[11:14] <hola> kubuntun 7.10 and isttalled though http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php (removing first the previous kde4 version)
[11:15] <intelikey> anyone know how can i check and find out where an ftp user is trying to write to ?     the log for vsftpd shows the attempt to write but not the path ?
[11:15] <hola> mikkael:  kubuntun 7.10 and isttalled though http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php (removing first the previous kde4 version)
[11:16] <Orfeous> hi everyone!
[11:16] <MilitantPotato> ok, konq is working correctly now
[11:16] <MilitantPotato> installed a bunch of random stuff and i'm in buisness
[11:16] <ubuntu_> kubuntu-it
[11:16] <mikkael> hola: can you post your /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde ?
[11:16] <nosrednaekim> hi Orfeous
[11:16] <Orfeous> i upgraded some packages yesterday and some of my system packages where removed.. and now i am missing something because i dont have the system menu or like the "panel" with the clock in the bottom right corner
[11:16] <Orfeous> what to install?
[11:17] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: Kde3?
[11:17] <Orfeous> yes
[11:17] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: I dont see any mention of Xrender anywhere in my xorg.conf
[11:17] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[11:17] <MilitantPotato> wow kwin is slow
[11:18] <hola> mikkael: it too long, i dont know how to past and paste in potebin
[11:18] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: I'm talking about in the config GUI
[11:18] <mikkael> "paste
[11:18] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: I'm having the same problem when composite effects are on
[11:18] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: how so?
[11:18] <mikkael> !paste
[11:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:18] <corinth> Wow, Kopete KDE 4 is pretty nice.
[11:18] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: oooooh
[11:18] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: my bad
[11:18] <MilitantPotato> I clicked logout, the screen fade was slow and very jerky
[11:19] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: allready installed
[11:19] <hola> mikkael: the file is too long
[11:19] <Orfeous> i can take a screenshot
[11:19] <CharlieKane> I must say I like the default widget style and windeco's
[11:19] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: sure
[11:19] <mikkael> hola: just the beginning
[11:20] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: direct render via opengl
[11:20] <freqmod_nx> Is there a kdelibs dev packacge for kde4?
[11:20] <Rum0> Orfeous: you could also temporarily move .kde somewhere else - then the default kde-settings will be used again
[11:20] <MilitantPotato> wow
[11:20] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: ok, and compiz works fine for you?
[11:20] <MilitantPotato> enabled effects and everything turned into a light show
[11:20] <Orfeous> i cant understand what package that are missing.. frustrating.. :)
[11:21] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: well it would except that it seems to be broken in kubuntu 7.10
[11:21] <Orfeous> i have no kind of taskbar either
[11:21] <Orfeous> when i minimize apps i must use ALT-TAB to reach them
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: but the panel is down there?
[11:21] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: compiz fusion "works" as far as performance goes, only I lose windeco's (which is quite annoying)
[11:22] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: do you have an nvidia?
[11:22] <MilitantPotato> ah the paint deal was doing the color show
[11:22] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: yes compiz works fine, even brilliant (not including dissappearing windeco's)
[11:22] <MilitantPotato> CharlieKane: tried emerald?
[11:22] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: yes
[11:22] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: the panel with the icons that are to the right off where the system buttom should be placed
[11:22] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: yes a geforce6200
[11:23] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: you may need to add the ARGBGLXVisuals line to your xorg then.
[11:23] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: its there
[11:23] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: oh.. ok
[11:23] <CharlieKane> Option		"AddARGBGLXVisuals"	"True"
[11:23] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: Âhttp:/umea3.mine.nu/~anton/bilder/skarm6.png
[11:24] <Rum0> nosrednaekim: composite in kde4 is also very slow for me - i have an intel 915 gm which works flawlessly with compiz
[11:24] <CharlieKane> Rum0: yes I am also trying to see if I can find out why it is not working too well here
[11:24] <nosrednaekim> Rum0: Intel chips work better with Xrender
[11:25] <corinth> Kontact didn't get updated for KDE 4?
[11:25] <Rum0> nosrednaekim: ah, thanks I'll try that
[11:25] <sourcemaker> how can I add a group to my user?
[11:25] <CharlieKane> *makes note that intel chips work better with xrender*
[11:25] <ntweat> hi
[11:25] <CharlieKane> hi
[11:25] <mikubuntu> ok, guys.  i managed to get kde session running, but couldn't get konqueror to connect to any websites.  tried to get into network settings, but it would not accept my password as root.  what gives?
[11:26] <nosrednaekim> sourcemaker: add yourself to the croup in /etc/group
[11:26] <Orfeous> sourcemaker: sudo adduser "user" "newgroup"
[11:26] <corinth> mikubuntu: Not the first time I've heard this problem today.
[11:26] <ntweat> any 1 knws how to install kde 4?
[11:26] <CharlieKane> ntweat: yes
[11:26] <ntweat> hi charlie
[11:26] <CharlieKane> hi
[11:26] <nosrednaekim> ntweat: read the topic
[11:26] <corinth> ntweat: Check on kubuntu.org
[11:26] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: watch picutre
[11:26] <Orfeous> picture
[11:27] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: KDE4?
[11:27] <mikubuntu> ya, just downloaded it
[11:27] <ntweat> ya.. but its unable to connect to ppa.launchpad
[11:27] <Emof> How do I set up KDE so that I change desktops when the mousepointer goes to the edge of the current desktop?
[11:27] <Rum0> has someone else the no-wallpaper-after-login bug? (just a white desktop)
[11:27] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: still loading
[11:27] <Emof> Rum0: yes
[11:28] <ntweat> Rum0 i get a blue desktop
[11:28] <CharlieKane> ntweat: you using adept ?
[11:28] <Emof> and everything is really slow
[11:28] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: admin apps can not just be run, you have to run them with "kdesudo appname" or create a root password
[11:28] <ntweat> ya charlie
[11:28] <dhq> how do i update to kde4
[11:28] <Emof> like present desktop etc
[11:28] <mikubuntu> if this is a bug, then i spose it will get fixed shortly, so my next question is, will i get kde updates while running gnome sessions?
[11:28] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: yes, you will
[11:28] <CharlieKane> I get the white desktop for a moment before the wallpaper comes up
[11:29] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: slow peering maybe?
[11:29] <corinth> I thought that dolphin was going to be the file manager for kde 4?
[11:29] <sigma_1234> !kde4
[11:29] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu
[11:29] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: and its not really a bug, its more that kdesu doesn't work well with sudo
[11:29] <CharlieKane> corinth: it is
[11:29] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: dial up :)
[11:29] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: ah.. i see..
[11:29] <corinth> CharlieKane: Then how come opening links to my folders from the Computer tab of the application launcher opens them in Konqueror?
[11:29] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: ok, can you right click on that panel and add applets?
[11:30] <dhq> is there a cd in which kubuntu comes with kde4
[11:30] <mikubuntu> rosrednaekim: i think that i have root password set ... i use it all the time on ubuntu; what would i have to do to set a root on kde?  is it a seperate root from my gnome root?
[11:30] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: no... its not.. you enabled the root user? are you sure you don't mean "sudo"?
[11:30] <CharlieKane> corinth: I dunno... It opens Dolphin for me... though if I double click on a folder widget I have on my desktop it opens in Konqueror...
[11:31] <Edulix> hi
[11:31] <CharlieKane> hi
[11:31] <XadVio> whats up
[11:31] <Edulix> hey, which was the name of this program that would beautify the code (indentation etc)?
[11:31] <Emof> How do I set up KDE so that I change desktops when the mousepointer goes to the edge of the current desktop?
[11:31] <mikubuntu> nosrednaekim: well, i guess sudo, i always have to preface commands with sudo in gnome
[11:31] <sigma_1234> theres a kde4 live cd on the kubuntu site
[11:31] <nosrednaekim> Emof: I did it... its somewhere in the settings ;)
[11:31] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: yes
[11:31] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: ah ok, thats different from an actual root user
[11:32] <mikubuntu> nosrednaekim: so how to set up root?
[11:32] <Emof> I've searched everywhere...
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: add back a kmenu and taskbar
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> Emof: let me look
[11:32] <mikubuntu> will it be global if i set it in gnome and it will work then on the kde?
[11:32] <Jack111> hi
[11:33] <ere4si> mikubuntu, type in konsole   sudo passwd
[11:33] <lod_> sudo passwd root
[11:33] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: how can they be lost?
[11:33] <nosrednaekim> Emof: right click on window decoration-configure windows behavior->advanced->active desktop borders
[11:33] <mikubuntu> ere4si: but i don't have konsole right now, cuz i logged out of kde back into gnome, so is my gnome terminal ok?
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: don't know.... but its not permanant;)
[11:34] <corinth> How do I set Dolphin to be the default file manager, because it seems it is not.
[11:34] <Jack111> i have got the problem that i dont have the pause, volume etc buttons, when i use the live stream function in opera, firefox, etc, using the helixplayer.its somehow connected that scripptable plugins are not allowed?
[11:34] <lod_> yes
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> mikyeah... thats fine
[11:34] <ere4si> mikubuntu, yep
[11:34] <mikubuntu> ok, i start it
[11:34] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: i cant add a "Kmenu" it doesnt exist in the list..
[11:34] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: i can add an "external taskbar" not that one that goes into the "main panel"
[11:34] <andrew__> anyone know the name of the program that is "search for files" in normal ubuntu, but doesn't exist in kubuntu?
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: 0.o
[11:35] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: tracker?
[11:35] <mikubuntu> so i type in 'sudo password root'?
[11:35] <Emof> nosrednaekim: ah, thanks :)
[11:35] <Orfeous> mikubuntu: sudo passwd root
[11:35] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: just "sudo passwd root"
[11:35] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: so what to do=
[11:36] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: i'm in kde4 soi'm not sure what the menu is called...
[11:36] <mikubuntu> is it ok if i used the same password as my sudo password?
[11:36] <CharlieKane> kwin crashes whenever I choose 'texture from pixmap' + 'trilinear' in opengl options
[11:36] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: yes
[11:36] <Rum0> Orfeous: the easiest thing would to logout of your kde-session, ctrl-alt-F1 to get a terminal, login and 'mv .kde to kde_old' to get back to kde's defaults
[11:36] <Rum0> Lr
[11:37] <CharlieKane> except that time... accepts it now
[11:37] <andrew__> nosrednaekim: hmm, i think tracker is different, i'm talking about the program that comes up when i go to "search for files" in the gnome menu in ubuntu, it says that it is just a graphical front end that uses the find command along with grep and something else to search for files, ie it isn't an indexing program
[11:37] <Rum0> Orfeous: then start kde again
[11:37] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: oh... then I don't know.
[11:37] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: i have tried to add all that stuff in the panel menu without a good result.
[11:37] <andrew__> k
[11:37] <Orfeous> Rum0: i think there are packages missing
[11:37] <mikubuntu> so now if i go back to the kde desktop that password should work i hope ...  will i be able to access apps like google earth that i have on my gnome desktop from kde?
[11:38] <Orfeous> there where removed many packages yesterday :D
[11:38] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: yes
[11:38] <Rum0> Orfeous: I thought he installed kubuntu-desktop again?
[11:38] <Rum0> he=you
[11:38] <Orfeous> Rum0: i did
[11:38] <CharlieKane> kwin is pretty slow at resizing windows
[11:38] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: remove kubuntu-desktop and then reinstall it
[11:38] <mikubuntu> i always hear people say NOT to do anything in ROOT, so why does kde force me to use root?
[11:39] <mikubuntu> is it dangerous?
[11:39] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: no more so than sudo
[11:39] <Orfeous> mikubuntu: its safest to sudo root
[11:39] <CharlieKane> mikubuntu: yes, it will blow up your dog ;)
[11:39] <mikubuntu> that poor dog.
[11:39] <CharlieKane> :p
[11:39] <mikubuntu> he's been thru a lot
[11:40] <CharlieKane> oh... now I made myself feel bad
[11:40] <Orfeous> be back soon!
[11:40] <mikubuntu> ok, well i'm gonna lose you guys while i go start up kde.  thanks for the help, i'm sure i'll be back.
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: k
[11:41] <CharlieKane> ok
[11:41] <mikubuntu> as you were
[11:41] <mikubuntu> lol
[11:41]  * CharlieKane relaxes
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> :)
[11:42] <sigma_1234> nosrednaekim: hows kde4 treating you?
[11:42] <nosrednaekim> sigma_1234: amazing... 4.0 is awesome :)
[11:42] <MilitantPotato> Where's the kdm-kde4 logs?
[11:43] <sigma_1234> perhaps il get the live cd
[11:43] <MilitantPotato> I can't use it as a Display manager, it has an error at login and says check the logs
[11:43] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: don't use kdm-kde4
[11:43] <MilitantPotato> Ah :)
[11:43] <MilitantPotato> glad I remembered how to switch back, i'd of been SOL.
[11:43] <sigma_1234> the screenshots ive seen look pretty good
[11:44] <nosrednaekim> yeah we should have a "eats your children" warning on kdm-kde4
[11:45] <nosrednaekim> sigma_1234: its beautiful :)
[11:45] <Aranel> I'm installing KDE4. Will I need other packages ? KDEPIM etc ?
[11:45] <nosrednaekim> Aranel: you don't NEED anything other than kde4-core
[11:45] <Aranel> nosrednaekim: thanks :)
[11:45] <CharlieKane> Aranel: keep it simple ;)
[11:46] <nosrednaekim> Aranel: and don't install kde4-pim, its a bit old and doesn't work well with 4.0 I have heard
[11:46] <hola> when ked 3,5 starts, no icon on desktop and malformed url erorr appears
[11:47] <CharlieKane> resizing windows is still terribly slow... anyone know anything about that ?
[11:47] <Aranel> nosrednaekim: ok, i m installing 'only' kde4-core.
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> Aranel: feel free to install other kde4 programs,but ake sure the version # is 4.0not 3.98, 3.97, etc
[11:48] <intelikey> i found my "issue" with ftp servers    ((The user must have a standard shell returned by getusershell(3).))
[11:48] <hola> help me, my desktop does not work properly
[11:48] <Aranel> nosrednaekim: other ? amarok2 etc ?
[11:49] <intelikey> and $HOME/.false   probably doesn't qualify as a standard shell
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> Aranel: Kopete4, Jok
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: :)
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> *Juk
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> Aranel: amarok 2 isn't packages yet
[11:50] <Aranel> nosrednaekim: ok, thanks :)
[11:50] <hola> help me, my kubuntu 7.10 after kde4 install does not work properly
[11:50] <CharlieKane> Amarok2 > Juk (flame on) ;)
[11:50] <CharlieKane> sup hola
[11:50] <edgy> Hi, I want to install kde4 and the announcement page says to install kde4-core, is this really enough?
[11:51] <CharlieKane> edgy: yes
[11:51] <hola> CharlieKane: sorry?
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> edgy: yep
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: you are absolutely correct :)
[11:51] <CharlieKane> hola: whats going wrong for you ?
[11:51] <edgy> CharlieKane: what about the other kde4 packages for multimedia, games, edu, ...?
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> edgy: you can add those if you want.
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> edgy: though make sure they have 4.0 in their version #
[11:51] <CharlieKane> edgy: I got games with kde4-core
[11:52] <edgy> nosrednaekim: yes this exactly my problem the version says 3.94
[11:52] <CharlieKane> edgy: oh sorry my bad.. I didnt
[11:52] <edgy> CharlieKane: strange! I would try it
[11:53] <nosrednaekim> edgy: thats the one from the official repository, you need to add the PPA
[11:53] <CharlieKane> I have played the new battleship though
[11:53] <sourcemaker> I have just started the new kde4 live cd... really unstable and unusable... seems to be more a alpha version... and not a stable release... :-)
[11:53] <fdoving> intelikey: you can add shells to /etc/shells you know. :)
[11:53] <edgy> ok let me logout and try it and come here to complain then
[11:53] <hola> CharlieKane: on desktop there are not the icons/file i had before, the mouse buttoms dont works and when x finish to load, an error show that malformed URL
[11:54] <CharlieKane> hola: On kde4 ?
[11:54] <intelikey> fdoving yeah working on it.   first i tested with /bin/bash to confirm that that was the reason.   "it is."
[11:54] <hola> CharlieKane: no, kde3
[11:54] <CharlieKane> oh i c
[11:55] <CharlieKane> hola: tried ctrl+alt+backspace then log back in ?
[11:56] <Aranel> i'm installed kde4, and i have kde3.5 too. How can I use them ?
[11:56] <Aranel> them together*
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> Aranel: log out and select KDE 4 from the session menu
[11:56] <august_> witch program do i use to open tar.gz files?
[11:56] <Aranel> nosrednaekim: ok :)
[11:57] <nosrednaekim> august_: ark
[11:57] <august_> thx
[11:57] <ere4si> august: right click them
[11:57] <CharlieKane> some things seem really slow on my desktop
[11:58] <intelikey> one must admit though  that a shell of  /usr/****/****/.true    does look a bit odd in the /etc/shells and /etc/passwd files
[11:59] <hola> CharlieKane: with ctrl+alt+backspace nothing happened
[12:00] <rinaldi_> hi just got kde4. went ok for a bit but then all of a sudden the clock/ desktop switcher/device notifier etc has moved across the desktop bar towards the K menu button. now i can't see any tabs for windows along the taskbar. how can i get it back?
[12:00] <CharlieKane> hola: is your keyboard working ? lights on etc ?
[12:00] <CharlieKane> hola: oh nevermind :p
[12:00] <CharlieKane> D'oh !
[12:00] <hola> CharlieKane: of course, im writting you
[12:01] <CharlieKane> hola: yes :p
[12:02] <nosrednaekim> rinaldi_: delete the ".kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc"
[12:02] <hola> CharlieKane: are you still there
[12:02] <nosrednaekim> and then do "control+alt+backspace (if you are in kde4 still)
[12:02] <CharlieKane> hola: hmm not sure whats happening for you
[12:03] <Orfeous> still missing the taskbar and system menÃu
[12:03] <Orfeous> reinstalled kubuntu-desktop
[12:04] <gladier> whats the command to disassemble a rpm ... not convert it to a deb .. but extract it
[12:04] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: try starting over with a new kdehome... run "mv .kde .kde-backup"
[12:04] <CharlieKane> hola: if you check Desktop in your home folder, is everything still there that's supposed to be ?
[12:05] <nosrednaekim> hola: yeah! I had that problem!
[12:05] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: and then?
[12:05] <Agent_bob> gladier i think they are tar archives
[12:05] <nosrednaekim> hola: but I didn't even try to fix it, I like kde4 :)
[12:05] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: log out and then back in again
[12:05] <Orfeous> ok..-
[12:05] <Orfeous> see you..
[12:05] <august_> when i download the flash uppdate (tar.gz) i extract it and two files come upp. one is a shell script called "flashplayerinstaler" and the other one is a shared library called "libflashplayer.so". when i click at either of them i get the open with message... what program should i use?
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> !flash | august_
[12:06] <ubotu> august_: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[12:06] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[12:06] <august_> thx
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> august_: you have to copy the .so somewhere which should be in that second link
[12:07] <CharlieKane> Is anyone else having issues with kwin slowness ?
[12:07] <CharlieKane> wb hola
[12:07] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: nope... its pretty fsat for me besides the resizing
[12:08] <august_> what?
[12:08] <hola> CharlieKane: what is malform url
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> august_: just read the second link ;)
[12:08] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: its back now.. but with disguisting order :)
[12:08] <august_> ok
[12:08] <hola> if i open System menu, it is whown empy
[12:08] <Sergi1> hello
[12:08] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: is it possible to use my configs
[12:08] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: I'm finding resizing really slow, and scrolling, and widget manipulation... which makes me think this can't be right
[12:08] <Sergi1> can anyone tell me, how to connect to network on kde4?
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: yeah, but the problem is that we don't know which one was messing it up
[12:09] <Sergi1> i didn't find any gui app to do this
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> Sergi1: you can use knetworkmanager
[12:09] <CharlieKane> hola: it means a url address is wrong... is konqueror or another web browser starting when you start kde ?
[12:09] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: isnt it possible to solve that?
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: turn off desktopeffects
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: yeah... i'm looking
[12:09] <hola> CharlieKane: no
[12:09] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: thank you :)
[12:10] <hola> CharlieKane: for istantece, also run command does not work
[12:10] <CharlieKane> hola: ok
[12:10] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: aha!! i have no "ktaskbarrc" for example in my backup
[12:10] <Orfeous> many configs isnt there..
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: ok, run "rm -rf .kde" then "mv .kde-backup .kde" then run "rm -rf .kde/share/apps/kicker"
[12:11] <Agent_bob> i knew that it should NOT be that hard to setup a simple ftp server.   using non-standard shells (non-standard everything really) sure makes some things,...   tricky ?
[12:11] <CharlieKane> What I mean is it should be fast with desktop effects turned on... I just turned them off and that screwed up my desktop
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: yeah... well as you can see it needs plenty of love :)
[12:12] <CharlieKane> oh this really isnt good...
[12:12] <Agent_bob> Sergi1 use the old app that you "used to use"
[12:12] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: just stick with kde3 or gnome or whatever if kde4 doesn't work for you now.
[12:12] <CharlieKane> now i can see the background for my log in
[12:12] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: are you using kdm-kde4?
[12:12] <hola> CharlieKane: library file for "kcm_media.la" not found in path
[12:12] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: .kde cant be removed...
[12:13] <rinaldi_> hi, i tried deleting .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
[12:13] <Orfeous> hmm.. im going out for a little while.. back about ~60min.. continue then
[12:13] <CharlieKane> well I've got artifacts all over now, and redraws failing all over the place
[12:13] <Orfeous> thanks for now
[12:13] <CharlieKane> my desktop just became pretty unusable
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: I'm going to be gone then
[12:13] <rinaldi_> but im still having problems with the taskbar
[12:13] <crazy_bus> I was downloading the kde4 livecd and had almost got it when the file started from the beginning and said  ''eof received from server'' in the log.  My internet is relatively slow.  Will I have to download it again?
[12:13] <Orfeous> rinaldi_: same problem here but with KDE 3 :P
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> rinaldi_: ok...
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus:  yes :(
[12:13] <Agent_bob> ok now to hit a security site and see how many holes i just made...
[12:13] <CharlieKane> hola: ok
[12:14] <crazy_bus> why would it have done it.  Will it do it again?
[12:14] <Agent_bob> anyone have a favorite security site ?
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus: no idea.
[12:14] <Rum0> crazy_bus: use ktorrent ;-)
[12:14] <rinaldi_> i deleted using dolphin and the file ahs just appeared again after logging in again. should i need sudo access to delete it?
[12:14] <CharlieKane> hola: ask nosrednaekim :p
[12:14] <crazy_bus> is there a torrent for kde4?
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> what? no... i'm leaving :)
[12:14] <Rum0> there should be
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> (I seriously am, got things to do)
[12:15] <hola> please help me
[12:15] <crazy_bus> I can't see one? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> hola erase your .kde (after making a backup of course)
[12:16] <hola> nosrednaekim: in order to solve my prblem is enought to reemove .kde directory?
[12:16] <trophyhead> hi all : )  any midi music brainz in da house?
[12:16] <Rum0> crazy_bus: yeah sorry, you're right, there only torrents for the install-cds
[12:17] <crazy_bus> do you think the download will restart itself again if I try and download it?
[12:17] <CharlieKane> hola: try renaming it to something like .kde-backup
[12:18] <hola> CharlieKane: cannot open `.kde/share/config/adept_managerrc' for reading: Permission deni                                                             ed
[12:19] <CharlieKane> hola: can you rename .kde to something else ?
[12:19] <Aranel> hey, how can I change my task manager align to top ?
[12:19] <Dyus> any idea as to why i get random segmentation faults with gtk programs in kde?
[12:20] <Ash-Fox> CharlieKane mv .kde something\ else
[12:20] <CharlieKane> Ash-Fox: trying to hlep hola
[12:21] <CharlieKane> Ash-Fox: his kde3 is screwed up after installing kde4
[12:21] <Ash-Fox> Shouldn't KDE4 be using .kde4 ?
[12:22]  * Ash-Fox needs to check what is done in Kubuntu now, used too many distros.
[12:22] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: as long as $KDEHOME isn't set, i think it should.
[12:22] <CharlieKane> Ash-Fox: yes kde4 uses .kde4
[12:22] <konrad> What's the command if I want to use aptitude to upgrade a single application and not all applications on the system?
[12:22] <trophyhead> I'd like to know if any use a music keyboard with kubuntu sampleing software? plz don't suggest a program unless you do use it sucessfully! thx :)
[12:23] <eml> I have a weird instance of mplayer running on something ktorrent is downloading. Has anyone encountered such a problem before? I cannot kill it.
[12:23] <rinaldi_> i can't see any tabs for windows on the taskbar now in kde4 and the clock/desktop switcher etc is next to the Kmenu... i tried deleting plasma-appletsrc but nothing..
[12:23] <MichaelSammels> OK. When I boot Kubuntu "MP-BIOS bug 8254: timer not connected to IO-APIC"
[12:23] <MichaelSammels> *I then use noapic*
[12:23] <MichaelSammels> No errors appear but during splash I get kicked to BusyBox Shell.
[12:26] <gukk_devel>  KGpg: waiting for lock (held by 9069 - probably dead). What does this mean?
[12:27] <ntweat_>  can any 1 tell me the best dc++ client for linux??
[12:28] <MichaelSammels> ntweat_ try Kdevelop
[12:28] <MichaelSammels> Any ideas on my probs?
[12:29] <emilsedgh> gukk_devel: i think it means that a process with id 9060 is locked something, kill that process and try again
[12:30] <mikubuntu> oh, well, kind of depressing to spend so much time and not be able to make it work.  could not get kde to connect to wireless.  i was worried it would affect my ubuntu connection, but aside from the dlink 'stair' icon missing now, i did get right back into my connection.  maybe it's something that will get corrected with updates.  i like my ubuntu, don't really 'need' kubuntu, but i like...
[12:30] <mikubuntu> ...learning the variations from one to the other, so kind of a bummer to hit a wall so soon...
[12:31] <Sergi1> hey, the command knetworkmanager isn't in kde4 with kubuntu
[12:31] <mikubuntu> anybody else having connection probs with kde4?
[12:31] <gukk_devel> emilsedgh: no process with this id
[12:31] <emilsedgh> gukk_devel: so i was wrong :D
[12:32] <trophyhead> is kde4 the new one in hardy heron?
[12:32] <MilitantPotato> anyone else having desktop refresh problems?
[12:32] <mikubuntu> kde4 is latest release from kde.org out since yesterday
[12:33] <Lynoure> mikubuntu: Are you keeping track of the problems? :)
[12:33] <mikubuntu> it will carry into hardy herron according to website
[12:33] <llutz> kde4.0 wasn't made to be used in production.systems, its for developpers and testers, so what do you expect?
[12:34] <hola> when kde start startx, an error is appers "malformed URL and nothing is on the desktop
[12:34] <Lynoure> mikubuntu: mine are not significant, so far, but ever since installing kde4.0, some of the kde3.5.8 mechanisms launch kde4 stuff by default, which is annoying
[12:35] <mikubuntu> lynoure: guess i'll have to watch updates, cause i can't get *anything to work right on it yet
[12:35] <trophyhead> oh so its not quite stable tho?, can it be installed if im currently using (gutsy-gibbion) or maybe I shouldn't you seem to be having quite some trouble with it, : (
[12:36] <fernando> hi, how can I make that different programs use the soundcard at the same time..??
[12:36] <zsz> does kubuntu live dvd have memtest on it?
[12:36] <fernando> for example If I use skype and I want to put some music..I can't
[12:37] <hola> dolphin said malformed URL onsystem menu, trash, media device
[12:38] <trophyhead> hmmm  if I bang my head against the moniter will kubuntu finally do what i wish?
[12:38] <Lynoure> trophyhead: what are you wishing for?
[12:39] <trophyhead> haha, well like 3 things to work properly
[12:39] <Sergi1> how to run in kubuntu commands with administrator rights?
[12:40] <fernando> Sergi1-> sudo command
[12:40] <Lynoure> trophyhead: just liku kubuntu,  I cannot read your mind either, so what 3 things?
[12:40] <Lynoure> s/liku/like/
[12:40] <Sergi1> hm, in kubuntu kde4 final relise the sudo command doesn't exists..
[12:40] <Sergi1> and knetworkmanager too
[12:41] <trophyhead> to play&burn dvd.s....to take tv time & rosegarden from another disk (mandriva) cause at least I know they work on them,
[12:41] <Lynoure> Sergi1: it's not kde final release, it's just the first release. kdepim does not exist either, yet
[12:42] <fernando> sergi1, that open adept manager and install the sudo package..thats all
[12:42] <fernando> serge1, and when you are there..install also de knetworkmanager..
[12:43] <wilsby> hi
[12:43] <Lynoure> trophyhead: How did rosegarden not work for you in kubuntu?
[12:43] <Lynoure> !dvd
[12:43] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[12:43] <fernando> Lynoure: do you know how to make run kubuntu with a better sound mixed ?? because I can't make two programs using the soundcard at the same time..
[12:43] <wilsby> I have been thinking about trying out kubuntu and switching distros.
[12:43] <trophyhead> but im by far no computer brain so all I can do if a program dosen't work after a little fiddleing around is, don't use it find something else : )
[12:43] <wilsby> I have a few questions though.
[12:43] <MilitantPotato> Why does nothing launched from the K menu accept a password?
[12:43] <Sergi1> thanks
[12:44] <trophyhead> oh rosegarden...
[12:44] <wilsby> with kubuntu, do I compile my own kernel or is everthing already setup for me?
[12:44] <Sergi1> but to the network i need to configure manualy
[12:44] <Lynoure> fernando: sorry, haven't looked at that lately, as I do not do heavy-duty sound stuff, it's enough for me that my beeps blend with my amarok tunes
[12:44] <trophyhead> said my version of kernal was not the right timeing or maybe not up to date>?
[12:45] <hola> dolphin said malformed URL onsystem menu, trash, media device
[12:45] <sub[t]rnl> wilsby➜ everything is setup, there is no need to compile your own
[12:45] <MilitantPotato> Why does nothing launched from the K menu accept a password?
[12:45] <fernando> Lynoure: I am using skype, and I can't make run amarok at the same time..thats my problem :p anyway thanks..
[12:47] <sigma_1234> fernando: are you on kde3 or kde4?
[12:47] <Lynoure> fernando: I can have amarok playing when skype is running, have not tried a call yet
[12:48] <trophyhead> anyhoo if rosegarden's just a sequencer, I'll just use audacity & hydrogen, they seem to work perfectly for me, : )
[12:48] <wilsby> is ubuntu suitable for servers?
[12:48] <Lynoure> wilsby: yes, there is a server edition
[12:48] <sigma_1234> ubuntu server edition is i suppose
[12:48] <wilsby> and is it possible to do a network installation?
[12:48] <wilsby> ok
[12:49] <sigma_1234> if it wasnt id be worried:)
[12:49] <steinerhippo> hi @all. i have a problem, when i edit a icon in kcontrol for a mime type, pdf in special, it only is set until a reboot, can anybody help me to make this for ever?
[12:49] <wilsby> thanks sigma
[12:50] <wilsby> I'm going to try out kubuntu over the weekend ;-)
[12:50] <wilsby> <= disgrunted gentoo user
[12:51] <Lynoure> fernando: seems work fine for me, even for calls. But sound is fickle, still, I'm fighting with my mother's pc forgetting it's sound settings after the first skype call. It's weird.
[12:52] <sigma_1234> it would probably help if skype wasnt closed source
[12:52] <sigma_1234> anyone tried kde4.0.0 on the eeepc here?
[12:53] <sigma_1234> oh does anyone here have a dell d600?
[12:53] <steinerhippo> hi @all. i have a problem, when i edit a icon in kcontrol for a mime type, pdf in special, it only is set until a reboot, can anybody help me to make this for ever?
[12:54] <sigma_1234> !patience
[12:54] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:54] <nick_name> steinerhippo: did u try right-click/properties tht way ??
[12:55] <steinerhippo> @ nick_name: there is the right one shown, does it mean, that only dolphin and konqueror show a false icon?
[12:56] <trophyhead> <---was amazed by going from (fiesty) kubuntu to (gutsy) it gave me an option to install a program to excellerate my older nvida card, now I can play fast paced 1st person shooter games! woohoo!, I always thought my 2gig puter was too slow to do this : )
[12:56] <nick_name> steinerhippo: could be ... i'm not very sure though ...
[12:56] <nick_name> steinerhippo: but if i have to change icons for any files ... i follow the right.click/properties way ...
[12:56] <steinerhippo> nick_name: because there is a netscape icon instead of a pdf icon, so i changed it, and it is only til a restart, ok thx, i'll try it
[12:57] <nick_name> steinerhippo: same goes, if i have to change file association ... say, i want to open video files always with SMPLAYER
[12:57] <steinerhippo> nick_name: thx
[12:57] <nick_name> steinerhippo: or image files always with kwickshow
[12:57] <nick_name> steinerhippo: pleasure ... not sure if it's gonna solve ur problem though
[12:58] <steinerhippo> nick_name: i'll try it, more than the netscape icon can't be :D
[12:58] <trophyhead> I highly reccomed (gutsy) to those who haven't tried it , well at least till around april, I can't wait for the newer version! (hardy-heron),
[12:58] <nick_name> steinerhippo: for video file, i removed netscape completely ... it was annoying ...
[12:59] <steinerhippo> nick_name: i use vlc for vids
[12:59] <neville> how do i completely remove flash, as in, completely and utterly wipe it out?
[12:59] <nick_name> steinerhippo: kool ... i use a combination of xine+mplayer
[13:00] <nick_name> steinerhippo: wht do u use for online videos, like movie trailers at apple.com ??
[13:00] <nick_name> neville: wht do u mean remove ??
[13:00] <steinerhippo> nick_name: i also sometimes use mplayer, do you mean the flash movies, also like on youtube? the flash plugin, but it's not good, it sometimes hangs up and i have to kill my firefox
[13:01] <nick_name> steinerhippo: nope ... quicktime videos , wmv videos ... embedded in the webpage
[13:01] <nick_name> neville: dpkg -l | grep flash
[13:01] <steinerhippo> nick_name: also vlc
[13:01] <PolitikerALT> Hi, I got a weird problem with knetworkmanager: after some time, it does not work any longer
[13:01] <nick_name> neville: this gives me ... flashplugin-nonfree
[13:01] <zipper> uuuh, updates for kde in the repos.... Does that mean we'll get kde4 soon? =)
[13:01] <neville> well, the installation botched itself, and when i remove it, it says it's gone, but then reinstalling it just puts a grayed out square where the flash player should be used in web pages
[13:01] <PolitikerALT> I still displays It was (is) connected, but in fact it isn't
[13:01] <sigma_1234> nope
[13:01] <nick_name> neville: so, the next step would be "sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree "
[13:02] <PolitikerALT> because no connection can be etablished any longer
[13:02] <sigma_1234> zipper: no
[13:02] <zipper> sigma_1234, =/
[13:02] <sigma_1234> its just for testing now
[13:03] <sigma_1234> why not download the livecd?
[13:03] <NielsE> on kde4, my Katapult seems to be broken, yesterday it worked fine, but now it doesnt pop up anymore, any suggestions?
[13:03] <zipper> figured there would be a testing period..... just hope it isn't as long as debian =)
[13:03] <nick_name> sigma_1234: sorry to poke my nose in , ru guys talking about kde4 live cd ??
[13:03] <neville> okay, done
[13:03] <zipper> sigma_1234, it's tempting, but i think i'll wait for now
[13:05] <trophyhead> umm is kde4 the new desktop for kubuntu's (hardy-heron) to come out sometime in april?
[13:05] <Lynoure> trophyhead: no, just one of the two choices
[13:05] <sigma_1234> nick_name: yeah we are. why?
[13:05] <zipper> I use a usb keyboard (logitech ultra-x). When the grub menu pops up, my keyboard is disabled, cannot select entries in the menu, num lock doesnt work ect.... how to fix?
[13:05] <trophyhead> oh ok thx lyn
[13:06] <sigma_1234> zipper: can you get into bios with it?
[13:06] <zipper> sigma_1234, yes
[13:06] <nick_name> sigma_1234: i ws just wondering if anyone tried it ... i tried the last rc ... it was'nt very stable ...
[13:06] <zipper> nick_name, thats rc's for you =)... my guess is that its much more stable now
[13:06] <nick_name> sigma_1234: it looked awesome for sure ... bt, responsiveness of the applications were terrible
[13:07] <sigma_1234> zipper: theres a setting in bios saying that you are using a usb keyboard that needs to be set
[13:07] <nick_name> zipper: u mean the latest stable kde4 live cd ??
[13:07] <zipper> sigma_1234, but since i can get into bios with it, it should be already enabled no?
[13:07] <nick_name> zipper: have u tried it urself ??
[13:07] <neville> Okay, now I'm getting
[13:07] <zipper> nick_name, no, i havent.... thats why i said "guess" =)
[13:08] <neville> "The application unknown (nspluginviewer) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SISSEGV)"
[13:08] <zipper> i read a comment somewhere about it becomming much more stable also
[13:08] <sigma_1234> zipper: for some odd reason it isnt once you leave bios.
[13:09] <zipper> sigma_1234, hmm.... You sure it isn't some grub setting somewhere?
[13:09] <nick_name> neville: if they r video files, reassign them with any other applications
[13:09] <sigma_1234> neville: are you using kde 4.0.0?
[13:09] <sigma_1234> zipper: highly unlikely. as i had the same problem
[13:09] <neville> I'm using KDE 3.5.8
[13:10] <olimpico> Install kde4-core??? What is kde4-core, and where do I get it, I want to install KDE4 and that's part of the installation.
[13:10] <sigma_1234> neville: thats weird. i never had those errors
[13:10] <zipper> sigma_1234, okay.... Well i'll make sure to take a look in bios next time i can be bothered to reboot, thanks
[13:10] <sigma_1234> zipper: no prob
[13:11] <neville> neither have i before this :S
[13:12] <olimpico> Has anyone installed KDE4 yet????
[13:13] <xRaich[o]2x> olimpico: yes
[13:13] <MilitantPotato> yeqa
[13:14] <MilitantPotato> it looks slick, pretty buggy though
[13:14] <august_> someone help me... when i start kubutu and the blue loadingbar appears... 4 out of 5 times it goes about an inch and then stops... is there something wrong with my os instalation?
[13:14] <xRaich[o]2x> it's not that buggy here. but i would say that it's a definite no-no to use it as a productive DE
[13:15] <MilitantPotato> it seems to be lacking the customization I like in 3.5
[13:15] <xRaich[o]2x> MilitantPotato: for now ;)
[13:15] <zipper> I'm currently using kubuntu with kde 3.5.8. Would installing KDE4 overwrite kde3.5? Are there any guides for setting up a kdm menu entry for both (like you would do with gnome/kde)?
[13:16] <bascule> august_: if you know how to edit grub lines at boot, change splash to nosplash and see the error
[13:16] <MilitantPotato> xRaich[o]2x: I know, it's looking good for being this young
[13:16] <olimpico> xRaich[o]2x: What is meant by installing kde4-core???
[13:17] <xRaich[o]2x> MilitantPotato: yep it actually pretty amazing
[13:17] <august_> how? what?
[13:17] <xRaich[o]2x> olimpico: nope i updated from rc2
[13:17] <fernando> I am trying to install codeblocks using apt-get but I get the follows error: codeblocks: Depends: libcodeblocks0 (= 1.0svn4801-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[13:17] <jords> zipper: that's what happens by default. see kubuntu.org announcement
[13:17] <_luke_> I just installed kde4-core and it appears as though no shortcuts are working (eg: alt+tab, alt+f2 etc)... Any ideas why?
[13:17] <zipper> jords, nice, thanks
[13:18] <fernando> also I get this information: The following packages have unmet dependencies
[13:18] <fernando> how can I solve this problem??
[13:18] <xRaich[o]2x> _luke_: i had that problem when i installed the kde locals for my language
[13:18] <_luke_> xRaich[o]2x: did you manage to resolve it?
[13:18] <MilitantPotato> fernando: for kweather?
[13:18] <xRaich[o]2x> _luke_: are you using plan english kde4?
[13:18] <xRaich[o]2x> plane
[13:19] <jords> plain?:D
[13:19] <xRaich[o]2x> aaaaaah yep plain ^^
[13:19] <MilitantPotato> fernando: some things depend on a 3.92 or close version, which isn't KDE4 release
[13:19] <xRaich[o]2x> sorry just fell out of bed ;)
[13:20] <jords> np it's 2am here
[13:20] <xRaich[o]2x> 2pm ^^
[13:20] <ubuntu_> cand somone pls tell me some other mirc servers
[13:20] <ubuntu_> ?
[13:20] <_luke_> MilitantPotato: yep - plain English... I think KDE 3 might have been set for Australian English
[13:20] <jords> sitting on bed with laptop on irc == bad
[13:21] <ubuntu_> and somone pls tell me some other mirc servers
[13:21] <ubuntu_> [13:20] <ubuntu_> ?
[13:21] <_luke_> oops above was meant to be directed at xRaich[o]2x :P
[13:21] <MilitantPotato> Anyone have an idea why I can't launch programs that require a root password from the KMenu?
[13:21] <MilitantPotato> It keeps saying the password is incorrect
[13:21] <zipper> "To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm." - Wait what? Anyone care to explain?
[13:21] <xRaich[o]2x> _luke_: hrmm... so it's not a problem with the locals....
[13:21] <tarsonis> how stable is kde4 btw?
[13:22] <xRaich[o]2x> _luke_: sorry don't know how to work around that
[13:22] <onishidato> how can i open my desktop again??
[13:22] <jords> MilitantPotato:kde4? i think that theres a issue with kdesu, kdesudo should work
[13:22] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: it's pretty stable for me, but i'm a bleeding edge guy ;)
[13:22] <tarsonis> hheh
[13:22] <tarsonis> is it hard to set it up?
[13:22] <jords> MilitantPotato: hav'nt experienced it myself so i don't know if that was the issue though
[13:22] <_luke_> xRaich[o]2x: no worries thanks for trying
[13:22] <MilitantPotato> jords: how do I make it run kdesudo as default?
[13:22] <tarsonis> because i'm really looking forward to use kde4
[13:22] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: not really, but you should be careful after all
[13:23] <MilitantPotato> Or, where's the Kmenu editor?
[13:23] <tarsonis> i'm used to be a gentoo guy
[13:23] <tarsonis> so well
[13:23] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: same here ~arch user ^^
[13:23] <jords> MilitantPotato:  Test running an app from terminal with both kdesu and kdesudo and see which ones if any work
[13:23] <herchu> hello everybody. I am giving a try on kde4. I have a question about dolphin: how can I create directories? My "Create New..." menu only shows "link to device". Is that not implemented, or a problem on my setup?
[13:23] <xRaich[o]2x> plus a s**tload of unmasked packages
[13:23] <tarsonis> used ~arch only for several apps i'm using frequently
[13:23] <jords> MilitantPotato: Not sure how to change that
[13:23] <tarsonis> the base system stays arch
[13:24] <MilitantPotato> jords: both work, it's just when launched from the Kmenu
[13:24] <nick_name> MilitantPotato: righ.click on kmenu > unlock ... right.click on kmenu > Menu Editor
[13:24] <_luke_> hey guys are there any other kde4 final packages available other than kde4-base?
[13:24] <tarsonis> so well, how is kde4? amazing? :D
[13:24] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: acutally that the better approach.if was to set up another gentoo system i wouldn't use ~arch
[13:24] <MilitantPotato> I only have Remove and Config
[13:24] <nick_name> tarsonis: lol, i guess everyone is scared to try it out :P
[13:25] <tarsonis> damn
[13:25] <tarsonis> i want kde4 so bad
[13:25] <nick_name> tarsonis: i tried last RC , my experience was'nt very good :P
[13:25] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: i think it is but i'm looking at it from the programmer's perspective
[13:25] <zipper> tarsonis, just finished installing it, gonna give it a go =)
[13:25] <zipper> wish me luck...
[13:25] <Lynoure> tarsonis: if you do, try it.
[13:25] <nick_name> zipper: GOOD LUCK :)
[13:25] <tarsonis> i dont want to set up a kubuntu system right now
[13:25] <nick_name> zipper: where did u install it from ??
[13:25] <jords> tarsonis: I think i'll be more amazed when some fixes are applied... it's great to try but i can't use it full time at the moment... plasma crashes a lot on my laptop
[13:26] <tarsonis> hm
[13:26] <tarsonis> :/
[13:26] <nick_name> tarsonis: zipper just left :P
[13:26] <Lynoure> tarsonis: not that badly, then :)
[13:26] <nick_name> tarsonis: has he jst lost his X :D ??
[13:26] <MilitantPotato> I don't have an option to unlock
[13:26] <Wizard> hello
[13:26] <xRaich[o]2x> 4.0 will be disappointing for the regular end-user
[13:26] <tarsonis> should i use a hardy or the gutsy version of kubuntu though?
[13:26] <MilitantPotato> xRaich[o]2x: agreed
[13:26] <nick_name> MilitantPotato: then , right.click > MENU EDITOR
[13:26] <Wizard> i'm looking for support for kubuntu/ppc
[13:26] <sam_the_guy> hi
[13:26] <jords> MilitantPotato: Just right click on kmenu and click menu editor
[13:26] <Wizard> does somebody use it ?
[13:26] <sam_the_guy> how can i resize widgets in kubuntu?
[13:26] <sam_the_guy> (kde4)
[13:26] <jussi01> !ppc | Wizard
[13:26] <ubotu> Wizard: PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[13:27] <MilitantPotato> I don't have a menu editor option :D
[13:27] <xRaich[o]2x> but i'm pretty curious what they are going to do with the 4.1 release. the API is so damn powerful
[13:27] <nick_name> sam_the_guy: superkaramba ??
[13:27] <sam_the_guy> what is superkaramba?
[13:27] <nick_name> sam_the_guy: not every widgets can be resized i guess ...
[13:27] <tarsonis> xRaich[o]2x, i heard that they overworked every lib to qt4 and stuff
[13:27] <Wizard> jussi01: i've read it
[13:27] <august_> how do i instal kde4?
[13:27] <Wizard> i only have few questions
[13:27] <Wizard> about kde4 of course ;)
[13:27] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: not only that. they created so many amazing frameworks
[13:27] <tarsonis> did they? hmm
[13:27] <MilitantPotato> Just Application Launcher Menu Settings, and Remove This Application launcher Menu
[13:28] <MilitantPotato> No menu editor.
[13:28] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: phonon, solid, sonnet, decibel (coming in kde4.1) and so an
[13:28] <xRaich[o]2x> on
[13:28] <tarsonis> sounds interesting
[13:28] <MilitantPotato> Settings>Menu editor doesn't open anything either.
[13:28] <rakan> Hello, is there an ctrl-alt-del-like in Kubuntu? i tried KSysGuard but some processes wont be killed because i dont have enough privileges although i am in root group
[13:28] <sebastian^> good morning folks :)
[13:28] <jords> I can see the motivations for making a big 4.0 release, but i think that should ideally be for when the system is stable and ready for end users... I soppose that's easier to do with a small project but kde's so huge that a 'complete' release is never going to happen...
[13:28] <tarsonis> jords, well, you have to seperate applications and the desktop environment
[13:28] <nick_name> MilitantPotato: from shell > kmenuedit
[13:29] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: it is, but the enduser has to wait until all the programs use those technologies. but the possibilies are mind blowing
[13:29] <nick_name> sebastian^: good.morning :P , okey ??
[13:29] <MilitantPotato> nick_name: thanks.
[13:29] <nick_name> MilitantPotato: not a problme