[22:16] <thevor> Hey I am having trouble updating. Anytime I try to update I get an error message related to Cairo dock, which is no longer installed on my computer. This is the error message: http://www.pastebin.org/94239
[22:16] <Alan502> guntbert: I'm just trying to add an X session :( ratpoison
[22:16] <erUSUL> Migi32: you can also allways maintain your own ppa
[22:16] <Migi32> erUSUL, thx
[22:16] <PyroPhelia> this is a stupid question I know, but, besides the oled keybaords, has anybody ever seen a erginomic keyboard that doens't have a bunch of windows spam all over it?
[22:16] <erUSUL> !ppa | Migi32
[22:16] <candyban> backslash7, try .xsessionrc ?
[22:16] <guntbert> Alan502: we read that - yes - no need to repeat quickly
[22:17] <Migi32> erUSUL, I know we can do that, but about 50% of our gamers know about us by browsing through the Ubuntu Software Center
[22:17] <Alan502> guntbert: okay
[22:17] <erUSUL> Migi32: ok :)
[22:17] <backslash7> candyban: I read stuff about Ubuntu 9.10 switching from .xsession to something else for some reason?   I already went back to driver 2.4, but compiz just shows white screen when enabled.
[22:19] <semitones> hey, what do I need to do so that my linux shares show up in windows' "Network Places?"
[22:20] <Mynewnicj> off topic: smart question:) a NightElf offers to buy your soul. What is your price? And what if he was called "Leegolas"?
[22:20] <thevor> Hey I am having trouble updating. Anytime I try to update I get an error message related to Cairo dock, which is no longer installed on my computer. This is the error message: http://www.pastebin.org/94239   Does anyone have any ideas?
[22:20] <tr101> semi did you create a share point on linux yet?
[22:20] <guntbert> Mynewnicj: don't post intentionally off topic stuff here
[22:20] <phantomgraph> Um - I need some help for some reason after I upgraded Cups so  my winblows machines can see my printer
[22:20] <blakkheim> thevor: looks like that repository isn't working
[22:20] <thevor> blackkeim: But the thing is I don't even have cairo dock anymore.
[22:20] <semitones> window 2
[22:20] <phantomgraph> Semi : mabey same problem?
[22:21] <blakkheim> thevor: remove it from your /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:21] <thevor> is that "gedit" ?
[22:21] <Alan502> Can someone help me adding an X session?
[22:21] <idespinner> thevor, remove the cairo repository
[22:21] <backslash7> candyban: .xsessionrc doesn't seem to work for me, is that normal?
[22:21] <semitones> how do you switch windows in weechat
[22:21] <phantomgraph> tr101 : same as Semi's prob?
[22:21] <blakkheim> thevor: you can use gedit or vi or nano or whatever you like, but edit it with sudo
[22:21] <candyban> backslash7, dunno ... just got it from http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1130521.html :)
[22:22] <tr101> correct sounds like a basic security permissions issue
[22:22] <thevor> blackkeim: Can I just delete them through file manageR?
[22:22] <blakkheim> thevor: no
[22:22] <thevor> blackkeim: Anyway to do it through gui?
[22:22] <Moster> i want an sftp server for my ubuntu desktop - is it open-ssh ?
[22:22] <blakkheim> thevor: i just told you that you could use any editor you like to edit the file
[22:23] <blakkheim> Moster: openssh-server
[22:23] <Sa[i]nT> How do you split a 7z file into multiple pieces?
[22:23] <tr101> brb
[22:23] <blakkheim> Sa[i]nT: man 7z
[22:23] <Alan502> semitones: you should be able to see the windows up
[22:23] <Moster> hm, i already installed that and have ssh access
[22:23] <datacrusher> hi everyone, iv just downloaded the ati driver from the site, on a 9.10 ubuntu fresh install. iv started the .run driver but i got this error: " ./devault_policy.sh does not support version" .... make sure that the version is being correctly set by --iscurrentdistro
[22:23] <jcurran> semitones:  I is a lot easier to just put the files in /var/www and host a server (visit your linux ip).  You might need to run "sudo chown -Rv www-data:www-data /var/www/" after putting the files in that directory and also /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start"
[22:23] <guntbert> thevor: if you use gedit: type gksudo gedit /etc/apt/source.list
[22:23] <backslash7> candyban: hmm according to that post .xsessionrc should be fine... im glad im not the only one getting confused by all the changes :P
[22:23] <datacrusher> how do i install this driver?
[22:23] <blakkheim> Moster: sftp is built into openssh
[22:23] <elengp> my God ! so many people
[22:24] <thevor> guntbert: I've never used it before. I'm using ubuntu 9.10, not sure what to do.
[22:24] <elengp> me too
[22:24] <semitones> jcurran: but that wouldn't allow read/write access..
[22:24] <elengp> guntbert
[22:24] <blakkheim> thevor: how did you originally add that repository?
[22:24] <foxjazz> is there a gnome linux version that runs under windows?
[22:24] <thevor> blakkheim: it was added when I installed cairo.
[22:25] <xiong> When a wifi connection is made or lost, a notice pops up. Can I suppress this distraction?
[22:25] <blakkheim> thevor: well it needs to be removed from your sources
[22:25] <blakkheim> thevor: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:25] <elengp> hey guntbert, let's chat?
[22:25] <blakkheim> thevor: then look for that line for cairo and remove it, save the file, and run sudo aptitude update
[22:25] <idespinner> foxjazz, are you referring to a gnome equivalent to KDE for windows?
[22:25] <backslash7> candyban: .xprofile finally worked, very odd. thanks a lot for your help
[22:25] <guntbert> !ot | elengp sorry no
[22:26] <foxjazz> idespinner: not sure... maybe
[22:26] <Alan502> Can someone help me adding an X session? Ubuntu doesn't add ratpoison when i install it fromt the repositories :/
[22:27] <jrib> Alan502: have you checked if the package contains the session file?
[22:27] <idespinner> foxjazz, look here http://windows.kde.org/
[22:27] <Alan502> jrib: no, i just sudo apt-get install ratpoison
[22:27] <phantomgraph> Anyone know if their is a better place to get IRC help on sharing connections (specifically printers) with windows?
[22:27] <jrib> Alan502: that's what I would do
[22:28] <thevor> blakkeim: How do I save it?
[22:28] <blakkheim> thevor: ctrl+x,y
[22:28] <Alan502> jrib: i did, but ubuntu doesn't add the session by default. A friend helped me adding it the last time. I don't remember what was in the file or why did i place it.
[22:28] <phantomgraph> From a Ubuntu machine, and with out having to shell out $..
[22:29] <Alan502> jrib: thoug
[22:29] <jrib> Alan502: so does the package provide it or not?
[22:29] <foxjazz> tx, installing now
[22:30] <mattius> hello again
[22:30] <Alan502> jrib: what do you exactly mean?
[22:30] <Adriancr> kien esta conectado?
[22:30] <phantomgraph> Ello mattius
[22:30] <Alan502> jrib: i sudo apt-get install ratpoison but it did not add the session
[22:30] <jrib> Alan502: check if the package contains the session file.  It either does and gdm isn't using it or it doesn't.
[22:30] <Alan502> jrib: where should i look for the session file?
[22:31] <Alan502> !es | Adriancr
[22:31] <Adriancr> hello
[22:31] <jrib> Alan502: dpkg -L will list a package's contents
[22:31] <Alan502> jrib: dpkg -L ratpoison?
[22:31] <jrib> Alan502: yes. I think they end up in /usr/share/xsessions/ usually.
[22:31] <mattius> can anyone help me get my Belkin Wireless FD5070 wireless usb adapter on Ubuntu 9.14?
[22:31] <thevor> blakkeim:Thank you so much
[22:31] <adambuntu> hey a bit of help converting videos to wmv from vob
[22:32] <adambuntu> i need a utility that will do it
[22:32] <Alan502> jrib: thanks thanks, im going to look at it
[22:32] <Adriancr> ola
[22:33] <ubuntu> yo
[22:33] <jrib> Alan502: if the package doesn't provide one at all, I would check bugs.ubuntu.com for an existing bug or explanation.  Then after reading the /why/ I would decide how best to solve the problem.  One option, depending on what the bug tracker says, would be to create my own .desktop session file based on an existing one in /usr/share/xsessions/
[22:33] <adambuntu> can someone give me a utility that will rip from dvd to wmv?
[22:33] <Adriancr> hi
[22:34] <Adriancr> hello
[22:34] <ojii> is there a way to disable the F1->Help keyboard shortcut? That 'help' actually freezes my system instead of helping me....
[22:34] <jrib> Alan502: here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ratpoison/+bug/69155
[22:34] <jrib> ojii: system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts possibly
[22:34] <Adriancr> ugly ojii
[22:34] <ojii> jr974: already tried
[22:34] <ojii> there's no help shortcut there
[22:34] <jeroen> is this a dutch site or do I have to talk english?
[22:35] <ojii> Adriancr: ?
[22:35] <Tiggers> I just installed a PCI wireless network card into my LAMP server and got it to detect using ndiswrapper, but I can't get it to actually connect to the wireless when I do "sudo dhclient wlan2"
[22:35] <guntbert> !en | jeroen
[22:35] <jrib> ojii: you're talking about outside of gnome-terminal, right?
[22:35] <ojii> jrib: in terminal would be a start (how do i clear a shortcut, rather than just overriding it with a new one?), but I mean in general
[22:35] <jrib> ojii: backspace
[22:35] <ojii> I get random 'help' windows popping up killing my system
[22:36] <Adriancr> i'm spanish
[22:36] <ojii> is there like a single package with this help stuff in it so i can just ditch it once and for all?
[22:36] <jeroen> how do I connect my samsung soul (u900) to ubuntu?
[22:36] <xenocampanoli> rails gem problem
[22:36] <olabaz> hey
[22:36] <Adriancr> what is te server spanish?
[22:36] <jrib> Adriancr: /join #ubuntu-es
[22:37] <Adriancr> the*
[22:37] <olabaz> I just installed ubuntu with "into windows" option
[22:37] <Adriancr> thnk you
[22:37] <Alan502> Adriancr: there's an ubuntu channel in spanish, there's even a channel for Costa Rica. There's also a channel for us, Central Americans
[22:37] <Adriancr> thank you
[22:37] <Alan502> !es | Adriancr
[22:37] <runes> Question: Is there a restriction on embedding the fonts that came with the Ubuntu distro in html pages?
[22:37] <olabaz> and I"m trying to get an irc client installed, can someone help me
[22:37] <mattius> exit
[22:37] <militant> quick question.  any risks or issues to be aware of when changing swappiness?  just a laptop i use pidgin and chrome and some terminals on
[22:37] <blakkheim> olabaz: open terminal, sudo aptitude install irssi
[22:38] <jrib> olabaz: best to just ask the channel your actual question (on a single line)
[22:38] <markl_> what kernel release is Lucid using?
[22:38] <maromar> hi
[22:38] <jrib> !lucid | markl_
[22:38] <maromar> hi
[22:38] <jrib> militant: I don't see any risk other than your system swapping more or less
[22:38] <olabaz> blakkheim, thank you but how come xchat doesn't work?
[22:38] <blakkheim> olabaz: it would be the same command, just replace irssi with xchat
[22:39] <rolsworth> why does flash use so much of the cpu compared to windows
[22:39] <blakkheim> rolsworth: it's proprietary and unoptimized
[22:39] <jrib> rolsworth: you'd have to ask adobe
[22:39] <maromar> any female here ?
[22:39] <Moster> so as i've set up open-ssh server already and can connect with PuTTY - should I just be able to connect with sftp with FileZilla ? or do i need to configure the server first ?
[22:39] <olabaz> blakkheim, ok, I was doing "sudo apt-get install xchat" what's the difference (I'm new to linux)
[22:40] <jrib> Moster: should be able to connect
[22:40] <blakkheim> olabaz: aptitude and apt-get are almost the same, but aptitude is a bit "smarter" and i  prefer to use it. either one will be ok.
[22:40] <jrib> maromar: this channel is for ubuntu support questions only
[22:40] <Adriancr> hello of new
[22:40] <militant> blakkheim: i always use apt-get.  i never use aptitude or synaptic.  should i?
[22:40] <runes> The reason I ask about embedding fonts on a Ubuntu server? I do not want to get sued by Ubuntu when users hit the page and it asks them to download a font
[22:41] <keyboardtalk> What is a good sound mixer for Ubuntu?
[22:41] <blakkheim> militant: that's up to you
[22:41] <olabaz> blakkheim, ok thanks
[22:41] <blakkheim> olabaz: np
[22:41] <scivi> runes i think your safe :)
[22:42] <jrib> runes: check the licences on the individual fonts...
[22:42] <Roasted> I have murrine installed on two ubuntu computers, yet one renders a theme nicely whereas the other looks like its a 1970 theme. The only thing is I noticed in the repo, the machine working right has "GIT" listed in the version of murrine. what is this?
[22:42] <xangua> Roasted: are the bothe the same version of ubuntu¿'
[22:42] <runes> scivi, jrib thanx..what with the grey area of font licencing I just want to avoid problems down the road
[22:42] <xangua> are both*
[22:43] <Roasted> xangua, yes
[22:43] <Roasted> xangua, except 32 vs 64 bit, but both 9.10
[22:43] <scivi> runes  ubuntu comes as standered fully free (as in free speech)
[22:43] <jrib> runes: getting real legal advice or at least reading the licences yourself is preferrable to asking for a legal opinion from some strangers on irc imo
[22:44] <scivi> if im wrong could sum1 correct me
[22:44] <datacrusher> is there a quick shortcut to show my desktop?
[22:44] <datacrusher> as windows _ d on windows
[22:44] <jrib> datacrusher: check system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[22:45] <xenocampanoli> It looks like rails on Ubuntu Server is failing from an old mysql:  !!! The bundled mysql.rb driver has been removed from Rails 2.2. Please install the mysql gem and try again: gem install mysql.
[22:45] <runes> thanx scivi, jrib I figured I would start here and get pointers before asking the legal dept at ubuntu
[22:45] <atx> hey guys, any suggestions on changing the colors in ls -l?
[22:45] <Roasted> any ideas guys?
[22:45] <jrib> runes: there may be restrictions on some fonts.  For example, you may have to bundle them with the licence.  I don't know
[22:45] <jrib> atx: LS_COLORS
[22:46] <scivi> runes u want canonical http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html check this out
[22:46] <atx> LS_COLORS is there a file?
[22:46] <jrib> atx: (see the dircolors command)
[22:46] <dabaR> what is that command that reconfigures a package, like to switch between kdm and gdm...
[22:46] <MenZa> dabaR: dpkg-reconfigure.
[22:46] <jrib> atx: LS_COLORS is an environment variable
[22:46] <runes> nice link scivi  looking at it now
[22:47] <adambuntu> how do i see my drives and their locations?
[22:47] <dabaR> MenZa: thanks.
[22:47] <adambuntu> ls?
[22:47] <datacrusher> thanks jrib
[22:47] <MenZa> adambuntu: sudo fdisk -l will show you your partitions.
[22:47] <adambuntu> MenZa, including my usb drive?
[22:47] <jrib> adambuntu: Places menu.  Or « mount » if you want something in a shell
[22:47] <scivi> there are other free licences and u may want to check out a few others
[22:47] <MenZa> adambuntu: aye.
[22:47] <adambuntu> thanks
[22:47] <xiong> When a wifi connection is made or lost, a notice pops up. Can I suppress this distraction?
[22:47] <devilsadvocate> adambuntu, mount, or cat /etc/mtab, for mounted filesystems, sudo fdisk -l for all the available partitions
[22:47] <olabaz> I installed xchat and irss where did irss go?
[22:48] <MenZa> olabaz: irssi is run from a terminal.
[22:48] <keyboardtalk> What is a good sound mixer for Ubuntu?
[22:48] <olabaz> ah
[22:49] <Moster> i get a connection timed out when trying to connect with filezilla client to my openssh server
[22:49] <runes> scivi FOUND IT !!!!!   http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FontException  for font consideration  I could put the licence infomation into my site
[22:49] <ikonia> Moster: what's it trying to connect with scp / ftp ?
[22:49] <Moster> sftp
[22:50] <jrib> runes: there exist other licences too.
[22:50] <olabaz> MenZa: I don't like irrsi how do I exit it from the terminal and then delete it?
[22:50] <ikonia> Moster: try using a terminal based sftp client to get better error output
[22:50] <ikonia> Moster: check the access log also
[22:51] <MenZa> olabaz: /quit, then sudo apt-get remove irssi.
[22:51] <Semitones> how do I connect to windows shares (using lubuntu)
[22:51] <Moster> there is a logontype setting in FZ: Anon, Normal, Ask, Interactive, Account.
[22:52] <Grufle> I'm having problems with empathy and my mic on an acer aspire one 150 on a fresh ubuntu 9.10 install with all updates applied. Sound recorder works but when I make a call to a Gtalk account it doesn't register any sound
[22:52] <Grufle> tried with Skype too
[22:52] <Grufle> same problem
[22:52] <olabaz> MenZa: ah, says "unable to unlock administration directory..."
[22:53] <MenZa> olabaz: Then you have a package manager (update-manager, synaptic, apt-get, aptitude) running elsewhere.
[22:53] <Grufle> I've tried messing around with alsamixer but to no avail
[22:53] <schgoddie> hi, since yesterday my mailman do not send mail anymore :o( - ubuntu-server 9.04 package dovecot-postfix
[22:54] <schgoddie> /var/log/mailman/smtp-failture got tons of code 450 errors and a strange mail-address
[22:54] <MenZa> schgoddie: You may have more luck in #ubuntu-server
[22:54] <magn3ts> I tried to upgrade to nvidia 195 and now my computer will not boot past "isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards"
[22:54] <olabaz> MenZa: oh ok.  Also before I was trying "sudo apt-get install xchat" and it wouldn't work, then I did "sudo aptitude install xchat" and it did
[22:54] <schgoddie> MenZa: ah, iĺl try
[22:54] <SteveG> How can I get gcc-4.4 for Ubuntu 9.04?
[22:55] <ikonia> SteveG: is there a package for it ?
[22:55] <MenZa> olabaz: The above error code indicates that a package manager is running elsewhere. Only one is allowed to run at any given point. If one crashes, you can kill it with sudo killall -9 <program name>
[22:55] <SteveG> ikonia: not that I can tell...
[22:55] <SteveG> ikonia: apt-get install gcc gets 4.3
[22:55] <ikonia> SteveG: doesn't look like it's available from the official repo's then
[22:55] <ikonia> SteveG: so that's the package that's available
[22:55] <ikonia> SteveG: it's available in 9.10
[22:56] <olabaz> MenZa: yes but before when I was trying to install irssi and xchat, "sudo apt-get install " would say "cannot find packages"
[22:56] <SteveG> Is 9.04 karmic?
[22:56] <MenZa> olabaz: That makes no sense.
[22:56] <ikonia> SteveG: no
[22:56] <Moster> my ssh connection is unbelievably slow
[22:56] <TheMozart> hi
[22:56] <magn3ts> any ideas for me
[22:56] <ikonia> SteveG: 9.10 is karmic
[22:56] <ikonia> Moster: the common problem for that is lack of reverse dns
[22:56] <TheMozart> magn3ts: whats wrong?
[22:56] <SteveG> ikonia: okay, thanks...
[22:56] <magn3ts> TheMozart, I tried to upgrade to nvidia 195 and now my computer will not boot past "isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards"
[22:57] <SteveG> ikonia: and I suppose a 9.10 pkg won't install on 9.04?
[22:57] <ikonia> SteveG: correct
[22:57] <MenZa> SteveG: It might, but chances are with gcc, you'll run into dependency hell.
[22:57] <TheMozart> magn3ts: have you tried booting older kernel?
[22:57] <magn3ts> TheMozart: actually I take back the last part. if I boot in recovery mode or with silent quiet splash turned off it boots to there. If I boot normally X flicks on then stops
[22:57] <SteveG> MenZa: right, ok
[22:57] <magn3ts> TheMozart: uh not yet
[22:57] <Moster> hmmm...I'm using PuTTY from Vista...and I'm connecting using the IP address not hostname.....any idea if that still holds ?
[22:57] <TheMozart> magn3ts: ok
[22:57] <MenZa> SteveG: http://packages.ubuntu.com -- it's not a *great* idea, but if you need it, you can compare the dependencies for the two different versions.
[22:58] <Etu> Whats the channel for 10.04?
[22:58] <MenZa> SteveG: In fact, I'd recommend against it.
[22:58] <MenZa> Etu: #ubuntu+1
[22:58] <ikonia> Moster: yes
[22:58] <SteveG> MenZa: I'll prob just try to upgrade to 9.10
[22:58] <Etu> thx
[22:58] <MenZa> SteveG: THAT is what I recommend :)
[22:58] <Moster> ikonia: you got any references ?
[22:58] <ikonia> Moster: what do you mean, any references ?
[22:58] <adambuntu> hey guys, can you suggest a .vob to wmv converter?
[22:58] <SteveG> I wish ubuntu would either just stick with the version numbers or the names... I can't keep both straight
[22:58] <ikonia> SteveG: they do, 9.04, 9.10
[22:59] <magn3ts> adambuntu: why on earth do you want to convert to WMV. Also, handbrake or VLC would work well
[22:59] <Moster> should i just google aboubt the reverse DNS being a cause of the slowdown?
[22:59] <Moster> known prob ?
[22:59] <olabaz> i'll be back
[22:59] <ikonia> Moster: it's a common factor in a slow ssh connect
[22:59] <SteveG> ikonia: right, but which one is karma, lucid, dapper, jaunty, etc...
[22:59] <adambuntu> magn3ts, i need to stream from my media center pc upstairs to my xbox. it wont do it now because vob cant be transferred or seen by my x
[22:59] <ikonia> SteveG: 9.04 is jaunty, 9.10 is karmic, 10.04 is lucid
[22:59] <Semitones> hey you know you you can go to places>network> and see windows shares? are there any other programs that do this besides nautillus
[22:59] <sagaci> SteveG: the names are moreso for the development cycle, numbers are for the final releases
[22:59] <magn3ts> adambuntu: do you have a upnp media server picked out?
[23:00] <adambuntu> magn3ts, i am using media center 2005 for it.
[23:00] <magn3ts> adambuntu: but you want to transcode in ubuntu?
[23:00] <magn3ts> seems silly when wmv decoding support is even a rarity in ubuntu, let alone encoding
[23:00] <adambuntu> magn3ts, i am going to set up a virtual with 9.10 and stream it
[23:01] <magn3ts> adambuntu: what? you're using media center 2005 for what? and using ubuntu for what?
[23:01] <magn3ts> adambuntu: just convert the vob -> wmv in windows and cut ubuntu out
[23:01] <adambuntu> magn3ts, media center doesnt have a media server thats free that will do it.
[23:01] <magn3ts> adambuntu: its built into windows dude
[23:02] <adambuntu> magn3ts, and i could do that but i still need a converter
[23:02] <magn3ts> adambuntu: if you're using windows, it will stream to the xbox
[23:02] <adambuntu> magn3ts, not vob
[23:02] <magn3ts> right, but why move the file to ubuntu, convert and then move it back, especially since Handbrake is fast ,available for windows and will likely support wmv in windows
[23:03] <magn3ts> Semitones: you can mount samba shares on the command line, there may even be a gui tool for it
[23:03] <Mononofu> Do you have any idea why my DVI output suddenly stopped working on Ubuntu and during booting? It still works in Windows >.> (currently, I'm using the VGA signal from my DVI port - this is the only way to get video output in ubuntu now)
[23:03] <adambuntu> magn3ts, doesnt handbrake convert to ipod format only really?
[23:03] <magn3ts> adambuntu: no
[23:03] <adambuntu> magn3ts, i will check out handbrake
[23:03] <magn3ts> adambuntu: it only has a default profile for an ipod
[23:03] <Semitones> Magn3ts, thanks, that's half the battle
[23:03] <magn3ts> adambuntu: http://www.google.com/search?q=handbrake+xbox+360&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[23:04] <adambuntu> magn3ts, thanks
[23:04] <magn3ts> Semitones: what do you mean?
[23:04] <Melancholic> hello, all! I have setup vsftpd. allow anon. set chown_upload_mode=0777 but after crating directory can not open it. Could you help me please with configuring vsftpd?
[23:05] <xjiro1> i'm using the nautilus action configuration utility, what do i do for my path/action when i want to do "echo '%M' | xclip" ?
[23:05] <Semitones> magn3ts, I'm not sure what they're called/where they're located
[23:05] <magn3ts> Semitones: oh. uh there are smb explorers. don't know the names of any though
[23:06] <Guest19495> hello
[23:06] <queso> If I'm going to back up wine before attempting to install something that I'm not sure is going to work, is it sufficient to just copy the ~/.wine/ directory?
[23:06] <Guest19495> Should be
[23:06] <Mononofu> yes
[23:06] <queso> Guest19495, Mononofu: Great, thank you :)
[23:06] <RedNifre> I can't access irc.gnome.org server? Why is this? Where can I find a good #gedit channel?
[23:07] <Guest19495> Does anyone know where to get the original creeper worm (1970's)
[23:07] <Guest19495> I want it for a collection
[23:07] <n16h7f0x> can i display an image in console?
[23:08] <RedNifre> Also, why the f*** do the the tiny tray icons (sound, wifi etc.) move to the right of the clock and shutdown menu? I can't move them back since they are unmovable. And I don't want to reset my top bar every time I connect my PC to a TV, since it is very customized. What should I do?
[23:08] <magn3ts> n16h7f0x: cat. :) not graphically
[23:08] <n16h7f0x> grrr
[23:08] <magn3ts> RedNifre: ditch gnome-panel :/
[23:08] <n16h7f0x> and graphycaly?
[23:09] <RedNifre> magn3ts: what would be an alternative? Using KDE? :-/
[23:09] <magn3ts> RedNifre: I only use avant-window-navigator with no gnome-panel
[23:09] <idespinner> RedNifre, with ubuntu, kde isnt really an option...
[23:09] <RedNifre> is gnome.org down, or am I the only one who can't access that server?
[23:10] <evilim> ok, lets try this here.
[23:10] <merlin2049er> hi, i just formatted a new drive using ext4 , how do i get it to mount automatically?
[23:10] <Blackcamaro8> gnome.org is working fine for me, ReNifre.
[23:10] <Mononofu> merlin2049er: create an entry in /etc/fstab
[23:10] <xjiro1> http://downorisitjustme.com/
[23:11] <EvilAIM> So, I have Apache2 up.  I want to change the listenport from port 80 to 85 to bypass my ISP's port blocks.  Once I've done it and restarted apache2, and go to http://localhost:85/ it gives me NOT FOUND.  It's weird, cause the files are still there.  Anyone?
[23:11] <RedNifre> Also, I just found out that Ubuntu's default setting is such that EVERY USER CAN SEE EVERY OTHER USERS HOME DIRECTORY.  This seems utterly insane to me.
[23:11] <merlin2049er> ok i got the file open
[23:11] <merlin2049er> is there any quick info on adding an entry to fstab
[23:11] <thermionicvalve> 13 hundred and 81 ppl ... oh my !!
[23:12] <EvilAIM> Yes, but none of which are active
[23:12] <EvilAIM> haha
[23:12] <Semitones> !info pyNeighborhoor
[23:12] <jrib> RedNifre: nothing really wrong with it.  Make your home private if you wish to do so
[23:12] <Mononofu> merlin2049er: well, first of all you need to know the devicename of your partition
[23:12] <RedNifre> jrib: I think it should be private by default. Why should other people be able to read my files? What's the reasoning behind this?
[23:13] <OerHeks> EvilAIM, does your provider block incomming ports 1-1024 ?
[23:13] <Mononofu> or the uuid
[23:13] <magn3ts> sigh, another thing ubuntu has changed--- where do the grub cfg files lie?
[23:13] <candyban> magn3ts, /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[23:13] <Sensiva> magn3ts /boot/grub/grub.cfg and /etc/default/grub
[23:13] <MenZa> !grub2 | magn3ts
[23:14] <jrib> RedNifre: the assumption being made by default is people want to share files by default
[23:14] <thermionicvalve> Wissen Sie was " thermionicvalve bebeutet!!
[23:14] <jrib> -default
[23:14] <EvilAIM> OerHeks: negative, but I'm not worried about external, it's the internal that's not working
[23:14] <magn3ts> MenZa: why on earth are grub2 packages versioned as 1.97?
[23:14] <MenZa> magn3ts: I dunno, ask -motu.
[23:14] <rww> ubottu: grub2 | magn3ts
[23:14] <MenZa> rww: love | MenZa
[23:15] <jrib> RedNifre: both are reasonable defaults.  So a choice was made...
[23:15] <magn3ts> Even Windows protects home dirs from each other if the users aren't admins
[23:15] <EvilAIM> I'm thinking that, since I've changed the port... the apache is now looking in another directory instead of var/www.
[23:16] <OerHeks> EvilAIM, did you restart apache, after altering the port number ?
[23:16] <EvilAIM> Yes
[23:16] <MenZa> magn3ts: Then change your /home permissions to 700.
[23:16] <olabaz> so there was a little thing on the panel and I accidentally removed it and I want it back.  It was the thing all the way to the right that gives you options to turn off or log off
[23:16] <MenZa> olabaz: Right-click the panel -> Add to Panel
[23:16] <magn3ts> hopefully its not that way for ubuntu-server
[23:16] <olabaz> MenZa: I'm not sure which one it is
[23:16] <EvilAIM> OerHeks: I just did it again to double check.  Still a NOT FOUND error
[23:16] <rodman1234> Enter text here...how do i uninstall ubuntu
[23:17] <Klurk> Hi everyone
[23:17] <jrib> rodman1234: are you going to install another OS?
[23:17] <MenZa> magn3ts: I can confirm that is, indeed, the case with 9.10-server.
[23:17] <magn3ts> Sensiva: both of those files tell me not to edit them. I'm looking for the menu.lst file
[23:17] <MenZa> magn3ts: See the link ubottu sent you.
[23:17] <magn3ts> MenZa: duh, sorry.
[23:17] <magn3ts> will do
[23:18] <Sensiva> magn3ts menu.lst doesn't exist in grub2, please read the wiki article
[23:18] <MenZa> magn3ts: grub uses a much more sane configuration format now -- you edit a file, then invoke "sudo update-grub" which writes it to the grub file.
[23:18] <rodman1234> can anyone help me please
[23:18] <Sensiva> !grub | magn3ts
[23:18] <magn3ts> :P thanks. I'm reading now
[23:18] <MenZa> magn3ts: The chances of stuff breaking because of a simple misplaced space or whatever is much small this way; I'd assume it validates it and produces an error if the syntax is wrong.
[23:18] <magn3ts> MenZa: makes a lot of sense
[23:18] <Roasted> How do I install murrine GIT? I have a theme on two Karmic machines and one looks bad, the other looks good. The theme needs the Murrine engine. Both have Murrine. Only difference is, synaptic has Murrine-GIT listed in the machine that looks better. Why is that? Where can I get the GIT Murrine??
[23:19] <rodman1234> or reformat the hard drive so i can install xp
[23:20] <EvilAIM> This is fuckin' weird
[23:20] <merlin2049er> should i include any options while mounting the ext4 drive
[23:20] <Semitones> !language | EvilAIM
[23:21] <rodman1234> helpppppppppppppppppppp
[23:21] <RedNifre> OMG: This channel has 42 + 1337 users!
[23:21] <magn3ts> !ask | rodman1234
[23:21] <scivi> merlin if you dont know then probobly no
[23:21] <rodman1234> i did
[23:21] <scivi> is it your first install
[23:21] <EvilAIM> That is REALLY weird
[23:21] <magn3ts> rodman1234: all I see is "or reformat the hard drive so I can install xp"
[23:22] <magn3ts> rodman1234: can you repeat your problem/question. thansk
[23:22] <RedNifre> Still can't connect to gnome.org. It always times out.
[23:22] <rodman1234> need to unistall ubuntu
[23:22] <magn3ts> rodman1234: there's no such thing, just reinstall windows or whatever other OS
[23:22] <RedNifre> Does gnome.org require a special port? (I'm using 6667 by default)
[23:22] <magn3ts> RedNifre: try irc.gimp.org
[23:22] <rodman1234>  no older computer want to install xp
[23:22] <Tiggers> I just installed a PCI wireless network card into my LAMP server and got it to detect using ndiswrapper, but I can't get it to actually connect to the wireless when I do "sudo dhclient wlan2"
[23:23] <RedNifre> magn3ts: That one works and it has a gedit channel. Weird.
[23:23] <rodman1234> then how do i get rid of ubuntu
[23:23] <Semitones> Tiggers, network manager doens't work?
[23:23] <Klurk> I wonder why my cam ins't functionnal with chatroulette, but it's ok with Skype, Cheese and gstreamer-properties ? :/
[23:23] <magn3ts> RedNifre: I joined #gnome earlier and it redirs to irc.gimp.org but it took forever
[23:23] <Klurk> please
[23:24] <magn3ts> Klurk: its flash's fault
[23:24] <magn3ts> right click and change your webcam settings inside of flash
[23:24] <rodman1234> do i just buy another hard drive?
[23:24] <magn3ts> rodman1234: you just install  over ubuntu
[23:24] <Semitones> rodman1234, just install another OS over ubuntu
[23:24] <Tiggers> its a LAMP, no GUI
[23:24] <magn3ts> rodman1234: the OS takes up space on the drive, you just install windows on top of ubuntu
[23:24] <Klurk> magn3ts, huum I see, but it works with a similar website which use multi-videoconference :/
[23:24] <rodman1234> it won't
[23:24] <jrib> rodman1234: it will
[23:25] <rodman1234>  or it just doesn't appear to
[23:25] <magn3ts> Klurk: no idea. by time it gets to flash its not ubuntu's fault
[23:25] <jrib> rodman1234: if you need help installing windows, please visit ##windows
[23:25] <Klurk> magn3ts, Ok thanks for answer me. I hope there will be more open source software for flash in the future :/
[23:26] <magn3ts> Klurk: agreed.
[23:26] <magn3ts> Does X11 still use /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[23:26] <magn3ts> for displays/
[23:26] <jrib> magn3ts: it doesn't need it, but you can use it if you want
[23:27] <scivi> not unless it needs to
[23:27] <rodman1234> the net framework won't work
[23:27] <magn3ts> jrib: nvidia needs to be using the nvidia driver and it told me to run sudo nvidia-xconfig which writes to xorg.conf
[23:27] <magn3ts> jrib: which file should I specify to use the 'nvidia' driver in?
[23:27] <jrib> magn3ts: just use System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers...
[23:28] <jrib> magn3ts: that's the recommended way to install nvidia drivers and will take care of everything for you
[23:28] <magn3ts> jrib can you tell me what file though. I'm using a beta nvidia driver
[23:28] <jrib> magn3ts: xorg.conf
[23:29] <magn3ts> so when I select the binary nvidia driver in jockey, its going to change my xorg.conf file?
[23:29] <rodman1234> someone please tell me what to do i'm going stir crazy lol
[23:29] <magn3ts> rodman1234: what are you talking about?? just reinstall windows. this is not an #ubuntu issue anymore
[23:29] <jrib> magn3ts: yes
[23:29] <magn3ts> jrib: ok :)
[23:30] <chee> hi, what's up.  why would my .Xdefaults settings work fine under gnome but not under wmii?
[23:30] <jrib> chee: xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults
[23:30] <rodman1234> i never had windows on it it came with ubuntu and just got the xp cd today
[23:30] <magn3ts> rodman1234: and?
[23:31] <magn3ts> rodman1234: if you install windows from the CD, it has *nothing* to do with ubuntu
[23:31] <jrib> rodman1234: if you want windows, install windows.  It has nothig to do with ubuntu.  When you install windows, it will take care of erasing ubuntu because it overwrites it
[23:31] <chee> jrib: i did that and it didn't change anything
[23:31] <rodman1234> it just sits there in stall mode it seems it says collecting information but does nothing
[23:31] <magn3ts> rodman1234: then call microsoft, not #ubuntu, its a problem with xp or your computer
[23:32] <magn3ts> if the windows install doesn't work, why on earth would you ask here?
[23:32] <chee> jrib: restarted X, works fine on GNOME and not in wmii D:
[23:32] <jrib> rodman1234: for help installing windows, ##windows will help you.  Join that channel and tell them the issues you are having installing windows
[23:32] <chee> jrib: any plans?
[23:32] <jrib> chee: when you query xrdb does it show your changes...?
[23:32] <agdoku> which tool is currently used for software raid? mdadm or dmraid?
[23:32] <digitteknohippie> any ubuntu folk in here from the north of scotland?    just wanna bring to your attention #nos-lug   the north of scotland user group.
[23:33] <wgilthorpe> hello
[23:33] <scott_> ltsp
[23:33] <wgilthorpe> i am new to this so please bear with me
[23:33] <magn3ts> Anyone here running the Nvidia 195 driver
[23:33] <chee> jrib: yes, it does
[23:34] <chee> jrib: no, not on wmii
[23:34] <queso> How can I install Wine 1.1.17 in Jaunty?
[23:34] <jrib> chee: even after you run xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults ?
[23:34] <MenZa> queso: If you go to wine's website, they have repositories for Jaunty.
[23:35] <wgilthorpe> i need help with no sound on ubuntu after suspend/hibernate? I have tried searching the ubuntu forum for the last two weeks and have exhausted all of the fixes that i found and still nothing
[23:35] <Lemontree84> soreau: thx again for the help with the ati stuff, you was absolutly right, in 16bit depth, it worked to tuen on the effects, working perfect
[23:35] <chee> jrib: hang on, the guy i'm acting as proxy for is just logging back into wmii now
[23:35] <soreau> Lemontree84: Cool. Glad I could help ;)
[23:35] <Melancholic> vsftpd informatioon even is absent on the forums!! =(((
[23:36] <magn3ts> why does the recovery console randomly stop when it is booting/
[23:36] <magn3ts> it has done this every single time I try to use it
[23:37] <queso> MenZa: I need version 1.1.17 for Jaunty, but it's not listed in the packages archive. If I install Wine 1.1.17 for Intrepid in Jaunty, will that be bad?
[23:37] <soreau> Lemontree84: For future reference, if you have any trouble with compiz, ask in #compiz and we can better assist you there
[23:37] <MenZa> queso: I wouldn't recommend it, although it *should* work.
[23:37] <g0th> hi
[23:37] <g0th> how do I set up a connection with a manual ip address?
[23:37] <g0th> I have a dhcp server but I would like to always have the same ip address
[23:37] <g0th> eg. because I need to redirect traffic accordingly
[23:37] <g0th> I used the network manager and added a new wired connection
[23:37] <g0th> but there is no option for dhcp with manual ip address
[23:37] <FloodBot1> g0th: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:37] <chee> jrib: he said 'tell him thanks'
[23:38] <chee> haha ;D
[23:38] <queso> MenZa: I need that particular version of Wine, so I guess I'll give it a shot. ;)
[23:38] <Lemontree84> soreau: ah ok, i thougth, ubuntu could be a better choice, but well, now i know for the future, ^^
[23:38] <MenZa> queso: Good luck.
[23:38] <magn3ts> This is infuriating. you'd think that the recovery console would be well tested...
[23:38] <jrib> chee: :)
[23:39] <g0th> hi, how do I set up a connection with a manual ip address? I have a dhcp server but I would like to always have the same ip address eg. because I need to redirect traffic accordingly. I used the network manager and added a new wired connection but there is no option for dhcp with manual ip address. in any case I used the manual option and specified the ip address, netmask and gw, for the dns server I specified the same as the gw, but if I do
[23:39] <wgilthorpe> help please
[23:39] <chee> thanks from me too.
[23:39] <queso> MenZa: Hmm, thx. :)
[23:39] <kurumin> hellou
[23:39] <kurumin> Im Marcus from Brazil
[23:39] <magn3ts> Why would the recovery console stop booting after EDD information not available?
[23:40] <magn3ts> this defeats the point of a recovery console
[23:41] <sabgenton> !vm
[23:41] <g0th> hmm, am I still on mute?
[23:41] <sabgenton> !ubuntu vm
[23:42] <wgilthorpe> can anyone help me with a no sound after hibernate issue
[23:42] <sabgenton> !bot
[23:42] <Lemontree84> soreau: one last short question :P is there a way, to save Vram, instaed of use 16 bit depth instead of 24 depth ? :P
[23:43] <g0th> hi, how do I set up a connection with a manual ip address? I have a dhcp server but I would like to always have the same ip address eg. because I need to redirect traffic accordingly. I used the network manager and added a new wired connection but there is no option for dhcp with manual ip address. in any case I used the manual option and specified the ip address, netmask and gw, for the dns server I specified the same as the gw, but if I do
[23:43] <magn3ts> so since the POS recovery mode doesn't work, how do I proceed?
[23:44] <soreau> Lemontree84: That would be a question better suited for #radeon. My guess would be that you might be able to use XAA rendering method (which can show a performance hit with X server 1.5.x and later) or enable kms (which has a memory manager)
[23:45] <Trek> anyone ever encounter a java applet accepting keyboard input then suddenly ceasing to accept input?  Running most recent SUN JAVA JRE 1.6.*, Ubuntu 9.04
[23:45] <Lemontree84> soreau: ok thx again :P
[23:46] <jcurran> wgilghorple - uninstall pulseaudio and any related packages.
[23:46] <subspider> hi
[23:46] <soreau> Lemontree84: To enable KMS (Kernel Modesetting), load the radeon kernel module with modeset=1 one way of which is to boot with the kernel parameter radeon.modeset=1 (by pressing E at the grub splash screen)
[23:46] <subspider> is these for xubuntu users
[23:46] <jcurran> anyone here familiar with modesetting branch?
[23:46] <subspider> ??
[23:46] <Trek> !xubuntu | subspider
[23:46] <wgilthorpe> jcurran: i already purged and reinstalled as per directions in the forum
[23:47] <ers> Power outage. Just restarted. Running Karmic IIRC.
[23:47] <wgilthorpe> did not help
[23:47] <thermionicvalve> http://zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16197&cat=257&page=1
[23:47] <wgilthorpe> do you mean to leave uninstalled
[23:47] <ers> Startx fails, says kernel module NVidia doesn't exist and it can't find a screen.
[23:48] <zeleftikam> Help: Ubutnu 9.10 fresh install, installed Flash with Synaptic Package Manager, cannot interact with flash media such as the video controls on YouTube, etc. Ideas?
[23:48] <Lemontree84> soreau: kk thx, found it online seems, there are several peeps had same problem
[23:48] <ubuntujenkins> I know how to launch specific programs in a different language but how can I change the os language "on the fly"?
[23:48] <magn3ts> what is going on!!! I went from having X problems to now having GRUB literally refuse to boot anythin
[23:48] <Trek> zeleftikam, make sure you installed flash-plugin as well
[23:48] <magn3ts> it just sits with a blinky cursor!!!
[23:48] <javatexan> how can I tell if a cron job is runnng correctly.  It should print to console but I don't see it in /var/log/syslog
[23:49] <wgilthorpe> zeleftikam: is that the 64 bit version i had the same issue till i reinstalled with i386 version
[23:49] <sabgenton> Isn't there an official ubuntu VM  image?
[23:49] <sabgenton> !download
[23:49] <theking> salut
[23:49] <zeleftikam> wgilthorpe, yes, i am running the 64 bit version. Trek, flashplayer-installer is installed and has run
[23:49] <calebjohnson> anyone have a good resource where I can learn about the linux directory structure? for example what each individual directory is responsible for housing.
[23:49] <theking> bonsoir tous
[23:49] <javatexan> crontab -l gives me # m h  dom mon dow   command
[23:49] <javatexan> 10 * * * * /usr/bin/python /software/pymouse/mousewiggler.py
[23:49] <zeleftikam> calebjohnson, i'd love the same! good question
[23:50] <Trek> zeleftikam, you didn't listen.  I said make sure that flashplayer-plugin is installed]
[23:50] <sebsebseb> !fr | theking
[23:50] <thermionicvalve> France Moves Closer to Unprecedented Internet Regulation : http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,678508,00.html
[23:50] <zeleftikam> Trek, how?
[23:50] <magn3ts> I really really really need some help
[23:50] <sebsebseb> !ot | thermionicvalve
[23:50] <sebsebseb> !ask | magn3ts
[23:50] <Trek> zeleftikam, its an additional package outside of the flashplayer-installer package
[23:50] <wgilthorpe> zeleftikam: i am pretty new but i fought that for a couple of weeks then just went to 32 bit
[23:50] <magn3ts> sebsebseb: I've asked 3 times now. I'm try ing to add urgency by repeating pleas
[23:51] <sebsebseb> magn3ts: oh
[23:51] <sebsebseb> !patience | magn3ts
[23:51] <Halitech> calebjohnson, http://www.freeos.com/articles/3102/
[23:51] <scivi> magn3ts try booting old kernal or dl supergrubdisk
[23:51] <zeleftikam> Trek, the only other flash plugin installer I see in Synaptic is the nonfree one
[23:52] <zeleftikam> wgilthorpe, sucks. seems like a silly reason to have to install a completely different operating system!
[23:52] <Sensiva> magn3ts It seems you have been messing around with your grub confs, would you please use pastebin.com and show me ur files, and tell me what did you do?
[23:53] <magn3ts> scivi: I tried the old kernel, nothing seems to boot
[23:53] <ers> re, tried restarting, didn't help
[23:53] <Trek> zeleftikam: then i don't know what to tell you, because there's a plugin package you need to install for it to incorporate into internet browsers
[23:53] <magn3ts> Sensiva: I never made changes though. It was only to make sure the most recent kernel was in the menu.
[23:53] <joseph_> Who knows about making gnome panel applets, all the stuff I find is really old
[23:53] <magn3ts> Sensiva: also, grub wont boot anything so I can't access my files
[23:53] <wgilthorpe> zeleftikam: mine is on a laptop and the sound quit working every time i closed the lid i could have lived with a faulty flashplayer, but as much as i suspend my lappy i was hoping to fix that prob too.
[23:54] <zeleftikam> Trek, the flash plugin is installed, it displays flash content. but i can't click controls in flash media.
[23:54] <zeleftikam> Trek, when I go to a page that checks my flash version, it says I have 10.0 installed.
[23:54] <magn3ts> Sensiva: well I left my laptop powered off and went to get a Coke and it boots now. X is still broken but I can debug that on my own for a while. never mind my panicky ness
[23:54] <Trek> zeleftikam, then the issue might track back to 64-bit?
[23:55] <zeleftikam> Trek, yes, it does.
[23:55] <scivi> phew magn3ts maybe u should take a break
[23:55] <Sensiva> magn3ts have you changed grub files attributes?
[23:55] <sabgenton> Is there still offical premade VM's for UBUNTU?
[23:55] <magn3ts> I would take a link to chrooting and fixing an ubuntu installation though. Sensiva, no definitely not. I literally cat'ed and greped the grub.cfg file and that was it. I'm going to play with grub.efi later but thats a whole nother basket of snakes
[23:56] <zeleftikam> Trek, I tried this but it did not help: http://www.khattam.info/2009/08/18/solved-flashplugin-controls-not-working-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-alpha-4/
[23:56] <magn3ts> what vm softwarE/
[23:56] <sabgenton> any
[23:56] <Sensiva> lol
[23:56] <sabgenton> I though a few distros back there was  an offical VM image
[23:56] <amartinenco> hello can anybody help me? i cant update my ubuntu i keep getting "Could not download all repository indexes" error
[23:56] <sabgenton> for VMware I thought
[23:56] <Sensiva> You were impatient few minutes ago, now I should never mind?
[23:56] <ers> modprobe doesn't find nvidia
[23:57] <Halitech> amartinenco, can you use pastebin to show us your sources.list file
[23:57] <ers> Do I have to re-build the kernel with nvidia added? How do I do that?
[23:57] <EWR> hi
[23:58] <amartinenco> Halitech, how do i use pastebian?
[23:58] <EWR> why does music sound better on 9.1 than 9.04
[23:58] <g0th> hi, how do I set up a connection with a manual ip address? I have a dhcp server but I would like to always have the same ip address eg. because I need to redirect traffic accordingly. I used the network manager and added a new wired connection but there is no option for dhcp with manual ip address. in any case I used the manual option and specified the ip address, netmask and gw, for the dns server I specified the same as the gw, but if I do
[23:58] <Trek> zeleftikam, you checked the ubuntuforums.org site?
[23:58] <Halitech> !pastebin | amartinenco
[23:58] <Gryllida> Which word processor could you recommend to use for documents with lots of math formulas on Ubuntu?
[23:58] <magn3ts> EWR, uh what?
[23:58] <zeleftikam> Trek, only been using google so far. i'll check out ubuntuforums
[23:58] <ers> Gryllida: LyX
[23:58] <EWR> magn3ts my music SOUNDS better
[23:58] <g0th> Gryllida: no word processor, use latex
[23:59] <EWR> magn3ts i used to get lots of distortions and stuff on 9.04
[23:59] <EWR> magn3tsmaybe it was settings i accidentally changed, but i doubt it
[23:59] <Gryllida> ers, g0th: Supposing that I need to send the files to a user of Windows?
[23:59] <EWR> magn3ts since in Audacious it sounded great, but in Totem is sounded like garbage
[23:59] <g0th> you can convert it to pdf
[23:59] <g0th> latex is just the source format
[23:59] <g0th> it also exists on windows


[00:52] <kenvandine> jbicha is that the glibc that the arch gamers are upset about?
[04:08] <jbicha> kenvandine: yes, but Arch added https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/glibc/trunk/reenable_DT_HASH.patch
[04:08] <jbicha> background: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Glibc-2.36-EAC-Problems
[05:01] <JanC> do I understand correctly that it would be easy to cheat Easy-Anti-Cheat by adding a fake DT_HASH that is used by almost nothing but EAC now?
[12:50] <KGB-2> gnome-builder signed tags 4abe69d Jeremy Bicha upstream/43_alpha1 * Upstream version 43~alpha1 * https://deb.li/3SAoM
[12:50] <KGB-2> gnome-builder upstream/latest 6eb5779 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 853 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/Nzqy
[12:50] <KGB-2> gnome-builder upstream/latest d80d79e Christian Hergert src/libide/tweaks/ ide-tweaks-item.c ide-tweaks-item.h * libide/tweaks: add ide_tweaks_item_get_ancestor() * https://deb.li/ig6x4
[12:50] <KGB-2> gnome-builder upstream/latest cc193c1 Christian Hergert src/libide/tweaks/ide-tweaks-item.c * libide/tweaks: allow walking the hierarchy from copies * https://deb.li/2zAe
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[12:51] <KGB-2> gnome-builder upstream/latest 1a2ca19 Christian Hergert src/libide/tweaks/ ide-tweaks-panel.c ide-tweaks-window.ui * libide/tweaks: start stubbing out panel creation * https://deb.li/3NQbi
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[00:34] <crat0s> Hello folks. I am a new Xubuntu user and recently configured connectivity to a hidden Wifi network. On restart, I have to manually choose "Connect to a hidden network" every time. Can this be automated?
[00:59] <canterw00t> Hi everybody! I have a question about a graphics chip in combination with Xubuntu 14.04
[01:00] <canterw00t> I bought a supercheap netbook recently and it has an Intel GMA 3600 graphics chip, but I don't think it's fully supported
[01:01] <canterw00t> Could anyone tell me how to check, and if it indeed isn't supported by the drivers in the kernel, what could I do about it?
[05:38] <xx> excuse me, I am using XUbuntu(14.04) system, I can't use my notebook's  keyborad to adjust volume,how can fix that
[05:40] <xx> hello anybody here? (^ ^)
[05:41] <holstein> xx: yes.. just ask, and try and be patient
[05:42] <holstein> xx: typically, if those keys can work easily, they just do, out of the box.. otherwise, you may have to dig around a bit..
[05:51] <xx> holstein thanks, I wanna add the key combination(Fn+F10/F11) in the Keyboard Settings, but I don't know the commands which are adjust the volume
[05:52] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaKeys might address that, xx
[05:57] <xx> holstein: thanks
[06:33] <enrico_> hi guys, I'm trying to boot Xubuntu from USB on an old pc. Bios doesn't support boot from usb, so I tried booting with Plop boot manager (on a CD-rom). The keyboard in plop works just fine, but once I launch boot from the USB device, the keyboard stops working and I can't select any option in the boot menu
[06:35] <enrico_> I already tried to use different USB ports to connect both keyboard and Boot drive
[06:36] <deshipu> enrico_: enable 'legacy usb device' in bios
[06:37] <enrico_> in plop or original bios?
[06:42] <deshipu> enrico_: in the original bios
[06:44] <enrico_> can't see that
[06:44] <enrico_> not supported?
[06:45] <enrico_> I checked on youtube, I definetly don't have that
[06:50] <enrico_> looks like I need an old PS2 keyboard
[06:50] <enrico_> it's funny though that in plop keyboard actually works
[07:52] <christoffer> What is the best way to run "setxkbmap" and "xmodmap" commands during bootup in Xubuntu 12.04 and 14.04?
[07:55] <whiterice> christoffer: add the commands you need to the XFCE autostart. Go to the settings manager in your menu
[07:55] <christoffer> preferably adding some kind of script file on boot up or login...so I can track the settings with git
[07:56] <christoffer> next to my other dotfiles
[07:57] <christoffer> whiterice, do you now where the GUI stores that information?
[08:00] <whiterice> christoffer: no :( I use openbox
[08:01] <christoffer> whiterice, ah, thanks anyway... thinking about putting it in .bashrc but doesn't feel right.
[08:01] <whiterice> christoffer: you would be better off posting in a forum or whatever for that
[08:01] <whiterice> christoffer: if it works and doesnt screw up anything, why not?
[08:01] <christoffer> Not sure when the .bashrc is loaded
[08:02] <whiterice> christoffer: I myself use setxkbmap with openbox
[08:02] <whiterice> christoffer: you should be able to just put the commands you need in a script and add that script to autostart
[08:02] <christoffer> yes that works
[08:03] <whiterice> the script doesnt need to be anything complicated
[08:03] <christoffer> yes of course
[08:03] <whiterice> ah ok, misunderstood you
[08:03] <christoffer> it just two lines
[08:03] <whiterice> yeah
[08:03] <christoffer> so no problem there
[08:03] <christoffer> the issue is how to best manage the script
[08:03] <christoffer> I have a git repository with my dotfiles
[08:03] <christoffer> and a configuration script that I run on each new [virtual] machine I use
[08:04] <christoffer> and if I modify the script on one machine I want to push it and download it on the other machines
[08:04] <christoffer> it works pretty good with .vimrc
[08:04] <whiterice> christoffer: ahh i see. Honestly cant help you there :( All mine are hard drive installs and I dont use anything but XFCE panel and openbox
[08:04] <whiterice> sorry
[08:04] <christoffer> no problem
[08:04] <christoffer> best bet now is to do just as I done with the .vimrc
[08:05] <whiterice> stuff like that you want to ask in a forums
[08:05] <christoffer> yea, probably
[08:05] <whiterice> or ask in the arch irc channel, but you damn well better not let them know your on Xubuntu
[08:07] <christoffer> hehe
[10:08] <mdp_> Hello, does anyone know how to fix Scite in Xubuntu 14.04? The GUI does not use Gnome, it's terribly slow to refresh...
[12:44] <xubuntu981> hey
[12:44] <xubuntu981> qqn sais comment partionner le disque à l'installation ?
[12:45] <xubuntu981> ?
[13:05] <mall> Hello! after upgrading the power manager, I am experiencing a bug in which when I attempt to "suspend" the computer just shuts external monitor and locks desktop, when I wake it up it asks for password then shows me the message "power management not authorized"
[13:06] <mall> I believe this is this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1319598
[13:06] <mall> anybody else experience the same ?
[13:06] <mall> why is it considered low ?
[13:42] <knome> mall, check the last comment on the bug.
[13:43] <mall> wo, two minutes ago
[13:44] <knome> mall, yeah, i poked somebody to comment on it
[13:44] <mall> thank you
[13:44] <knome> no problem, hope it helps
[13:44] <mall> could you explain, please how to sudo these policies ?
[13:44] <mall> is it text ?
[13:44] <mall> bit of an advanced newbie here ^^'
[13:45] <mall> can I just open that with geany and modify it? no concerns ?
[13:56] <mall> http://pastebin.com/GSkCuLgi
[13:57] <mall> here is a pastebin of the relevant parts of the policies file
[13:57] <mall> I believe the important part that should show "yes" it is already "yes" and not "auth_admin_keep"
[13:58] <mall> this is, that under:         <action id="org.freedesktop.login1.suspend">   ; I have                         <allow_active>yes</allow_active>
[13:58] <mall> I believe allow inactive should NOT be "yes" right ?
[13:59] <mall> suspend-ignore-inhibit is auth_admin_keep on the other hand, but that does not seem to be what is happening here, is it ?
[13:59] <mall> thank you
[14:02] <xubuntu329>
[14:02] <mall> MAybe it is relevant to mention that if I run xfce4-power-manager --debug  , terminal tells me there is another power manager running already (?)
[15:52] <xubuntu966> i can't believe i'm connected to the india server. it is so s-l-o-w!
[15:53] <xubuntu966> any idea who runs/hosts the india server
[15:54] <xubuntu966> any1 here?
[15:55] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu966: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[15:56] <cfhowlett> xubuntu241 change the mirror
[17:09] <paperziggurat> I am suddenly having major issues with my desktop in Xubuntu.  Out of the blue I am no longer able to right click or box-drag, and when the session starts my wallpaper on my second monitor does not change;  it is the same as the wallpaper on my primary monitor.
[17:10] <paperziggurat> Upon opening display settings and moving the box to the other monitor to change my wallpaper, I found that I cannot do that either.
[17:10] <GridCube> paperziggurat, try loguing in using the guest account
[17:10] <deshipu> paperziggurat: press alt+f2 and type 'xfdesktop'
[17:11] <paperziggurat> alt f2 doesn't do anything
[17:11] <paperziggurat> and i will attempt to log in using guest
[17:11] <paperziggurat> brb
[17:14] <paper_ziggurat> I am able to right click in guest session.
[18:09] <vaniz> I have an acer aspire one 751h with 3 partitions one /boot one root and one swap. In root and swap I chose physical area for encryption. grub is installed in the boot partition. I use easybcd to create an option for the grub bootloader from the windows bootloader. Both in standard boot and in recovery mode I get the error cryptsetup: lvm is not available
[18:09] <vaniz> I dont get any passsword promt
[18:11] <vaniz> any suggestions on how to fix it ?
[18:13] <efox> I'm looking for assistance getting synergy to auto start and connect as guest BEFORE login occurs on xubuntu 14.04
[18:13] <efox> any takers?
[18:24] <xubuntu382> Hello
[18:24] <xubuntu382> I am getting this error while connecting to ma xubuntu using x2go, can someone help? https://i.imgur.com/ZbBGPvQ.png
[18:31] <SamwiseGamgee> I just installed Cheese with my xubuntu 14.04, and added two plugins after installation.  It looks like xubuntu added three plugins.  Anyway, one of the three plugins or more is causing freezing problems.  Should I uninstall eachh of the three plugins incrementally to find out which one is causing the problems, or do you already know which one it is?
[18:33] <holstein> thats an interesting question.. you mean, "do you already know".. like, the general users/volunteers in the room may have experience with the 3 un-named plugins? and may just list plugins that are known not to work, SamwiseGamgee ?
[18:33] <SamwiseGamgee> yes
[18:34] <SamwiseGamgee> The 3 optinal plugins are the integration plugin for Nautilus file manager's Evolution, and two Gnome video effects plugins.
[18:35] <SamwiseGamgee> Nautilus's Evolution and Pidgin, I meant
[18:35] <xubuntu981> just impressed!!! Fully functional firefox while installing!!! That's kinda cool!!! Keep the good work people!!!
[18:35] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if there are known issue, i would expect to see them in bug reports..
[18:36] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh yeah, the bug reports, good idea....but first I will try uninstalling the Nautilus plugin, because it froze my file manager
[18:36] <MisterAcacia> SamwiseGamgee: I use guvcview. It works better for me for both snaps and videos. I've never had success using cheese
[18:37] <efox> I'm looking for assistance getting synergy to auto start and connect as guest BEFORE login occurs on xubuntu 14.04
[18:37] <efox> any takers?
[18:37] <holstein> efox: i just did autologin and a startup way back when i cared.. otherwise, last time i did that, i used ssh
[18:37] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks MisterAcacia
[18:38] <MisterAcacia> SamwiseGamgee: Welcome
[18:39] <efox> holstein, I would but, I'm in an office setting that I can't have autologin. =-\
[18:40] <holstein> efox: should be able to script start what you like before login
[18:41] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/9853/how-can-i-make-rc-local-run-on-startup for example, efox
[18:44] <efox> holstein, I'm looking at this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynergyHowto but the file that I'm supposed to modify dows not exist (/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf)
[18:45] <holstein> efox: i would use the system autostart.. no need to search for synergy specific
[18:45] <holstein> !lightdm
[18:46] <holstein> efox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM is what i referred to for lightdm config.. but, i would try /etc/rc.local for synergy
[18:47] <efox> holstein, thanks for your help!
[19:02] <SamwiseGamgee> MisterAcacia?
[19:03] <SamwiseGamgee> Is it better to install guvcview using the command prompts from the GUVCViewer website instead of using the Ubuntu Software Center?
[19:04] <elfy> I never use the USC
[19:04] <bazhang> use the one in the repos
[19:04] <elfy> though I do use synaptic or command line
[19:05] <elfy> and yes - use the repo one wherever possible
[19:05] <SamwiseGamgee> Synaptic has more uptodate software?
[19:05] <elfy> no - just a different tool
[19:05] <bazhang> all the repos <--- many ways to install from them
[19:05] <elfy> repositories are repositories
[19:06] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[19:06] <bazhang> command line (apt-get), software centre, synaptic, and so on
[19:06] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you want to always use the default ubuntu software sources when possible
[19:06] <SamwiseGamgee> you mean from the software centre, holstein?
[19:07] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: from *any* package manager..
[19:08] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the application you use to install is not as important.. the end result is the same
[19:09] <holstein> getting the software from another source, such as the website, would mean updates dont automatically come in, and you manually deal with dependencies, and support
[19:09] <SamwiseGamgee> holstein, that makes no sense, do you mean by default ubuntu software sources and how are they related to the package managers?
[19:10] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the software sources are explained above.. the repositories are where you get software into ubuntu from the supported sources.. if firefox gets an update, the maintainers update it, and push it out.. then, when you update your system, you get newer firefox, for example
[19:10] <SamwiseGamgee> Yeah, but in the case of guvcview, the software centre does not provide updates, so I assume instaling from the website provides a more up to date software package using the command line
[19:10] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: there is a trade off
[19:11] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if your question is, "do i get it from the site or the repos?" the answer is, the repos
[19:11] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if you want a newer version that is only on the site, get it.. but, you agree to maintain it on your own, and install it on your own.. resolving dependencies and meeting requirements
[19:12] <SamwiseGamgee> Would synaptic provide more up to date download packages than the Software Centre?
[19:12] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no
[19:12] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: they are *all* accessing the *same* sources
[19:14] <SamwiseGamgee> I think the guvcview website said its better to install its program from its site to get more up to date drivers for the logitech audio and stuff
[19:14] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: ok.. then, you ask them for support
[19:14] <SamwiseGamgee> because my webcam is audio, I need to find the website again....
[19:14] <holstein> otherewise, .. see above where the answer is, use the repo version
[19:15] <SamwiseGamgee> my webcam is logitech, sorry
[19:15] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: with *all* linux, its "Best" to use the sources. the default sources for the distro
[19:15] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: as stated above by myself, bazhang , and elfy
[19:16] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you can always install the repo version, the easy and simple way, since there is literally no danger in any way from going so.. then, test.. and move on to another version if needed
[19:16] <SamwiseGamgee> Elfy said he never uses U Soft Centre, but always uses the repositories instead, but I don't know how to access the repositories
[19:16] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no.. you are misunderstanding
[19:17] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the sources are the sources.. the software center, synaptic, apt-get.. whatever.. they all manage package from those sources
[19:17] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: installing a package using the software center or synaptic or apt-get or *whatever*.. all comes from the same sources
[19:18] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the en result is, a package that is being managed by a package manager, using the sources
[19:18] <holstein> the end result*
[19:18] <bazhang> a kind of super "app store"
[19:19] <SamwiseGamgee> I don't really care how I install software, as long as I get the most up-to-date software, but you are suggesting each method is the same because you are getting them from the same repositories, that's why using the command lines from the websites makes more sense, if it's the only other option to get the most uptodate software
[19:19] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the repos do not offer or promise the most "up to date" software
[19:20] <bazhang> the website is not command line
[19:20] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: ubuntu is not a rolling release
[19:20] <xangua> SamwiseGamgee: if you want the most up to date ubuntu may not be what you are looking for
[19:20] <SamwiseGamgee> because you said all native methods use the same repositories whether they are outdated or not
[19:20] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: "sudo apt-get install packagename" if suggested by a website, still uses apt-get
[19:20] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: they are maintained, and supported. the repo versions
[19:21] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: they are not advertised as the most recent.. and you may not need the most recent..
[19:21] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: thats why i suggest, just install the repo version by whatever method you choose and test it. use it. if you need a newer version, get it
[19:21] <SamwiseGamgee> oh, so I can still use the software centre, but then go to command line and get updates?
[19:22] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you can manage your packages however you choose..
[19:22] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the software center and the command line apt-get are *both* package management.. with the same sources
[19:23] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if you install firefox using the software center, and 3 months from now run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", you will get a firefox update, if one is in the souces..
[19:23] <holstein> sources*
[19:24] <bazhang> or sooner
[19:24] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i realize this is quite different from how windows works, where you manage everything on your own.. but, you *can* manage everything on your own as well, there is just no real benefit, or need
[19:24] <SamwiseGamgee> What about installing from the Software Centre, then using command line updates from the software fprovider, would that work?
[19:25] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i just explained that it would
[19:25] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: please see above
[19:25] <holstein> 15:23 < holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if you install firefox using the software center, and 3 months from now run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade", you will get a firefox update, if one is in the souces..
[19:25] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: what i mean by that is, if you install with the software center and upgrade via apt-get, you get updates..
[19:26] <SamwiseGamgee> Yeah, I know how the updates work, I get notices
[19:26] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the issue is, you are saying "using commandline updates".. which is not a thing.. apt-get is a thing
[19:26] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: that is the GUI updater..
[19:27] <SamwiseGamgee> Anyway, when I installed GUVCView, and tried testing it, the audio did not seem to work, and there was some complicated crap about logitech updates for audio or sth on their website, which I am still looking for
[19:28] <SamwiseGamgee> and then they explained how to fix the logitech updates using command lines, which did not really make sense
[19:28] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you dont need to go to logitech for driver support either
[19:29] <SamwiseGamgee> but what did make more sense was their explanation of how to install the lastest version of guvcview
[19:29] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if they dont promise or provide linux support..
[19:29] <SamwiseGamgee> No, not logitech
[19:29] <SamwiseGamgee> guvcview has their own logitech updates
[19:29] <SamwiseGamgee> driver uupdates
[19:29] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm still trying to find the website
[19:30] <SamwiseGamgee> http://guvcview.sourceforge.net/
[19:31] <holstein> there is typically no need to do that.. if fixes for alsa are available, they are usually applied ASAP
[19:32] <holstein> i suggest installing the suppored repo applciation, and elaborate about what the issue is.. you can try pavucontrol for advnaced routing
[19:34] <SamwiseGamgee> routing?
[19:34] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: yes. audio routing..
[19:35] <SamwiseGamgee> May be my real issue is I cannot find the user manual in http://guvcview.sourceforge.net/, in their documentation section
[19:37] <SamwiseGamgee> there is no way to test the audio, or test the video, or capture the video, and no user manual
[19:37] <SamwiseGamgee> for guvcview
[19:38] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: ok.. then move on.. i can think of many ways to test.. using pavucontrol for example. have you tried it?
[19:38] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm still looking for pavucontrol
[19:38] <holstein> !sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[19:38] <holstein> lol..
[19:38] <holstein> sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[19:39] <SamwiseGamgee> is pavucontrol part of guvcview?
[19:39] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no
[19:39] <SamwiseGamgee> but they work together?
[19:39] <SamwiseGamgee> they are compatible?
[19:39] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its an audio tool i suggested back when you were asking about audio working with guvcview
[19:39] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its a pulse audio control app
[19:40] <SamwiseGamgee> so it will help guvcview?
[19:40] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i have no idea, friend.. you'll have to try it..
[19:41] <SamwiseGamgee> it looks like GUVCview has its own audio controls, but I don't think I have the logitech audio drivers installed from GUVCView, they may not be uptodate
[19:41] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no
[19:41] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: thats all wrong.. do you have audio working?
[19:42] <SamwiseGamgee> yes
[19:42] <SamwiseGamgee> But not all my audio settings are working
[19:42] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: ok.. then, just install the application, and you can use pavucontrol for advance routing.. GUVCV is not supplying drivers for your audio hardware
[19:43] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh yeah, I forgot, I changed my audio settings to get the pings to work
[19:43] <SamwiseGamgee> well I changed one setting
[19:43] <SamwiseGamgee> I should change it back, because the notification pings were not working
[19:43] <SamwiseGamgee> I mean, I changed the setting to get the notification ping working
[19:43] <SamwiseGamgee> and it failed
[19:44] <SamwiseGamgee> Now I can't find the setting icon
[19:45] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: just ask a question
[19:45] <SamwiseGamgee> It takes so long to find all settings
[19:45] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: "i cant find" is not a question..
[19:45] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried putting it on my desktop but failed
[19:45] <SamwiseGamgee> so I have to do things the slow way
[19:46] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm looking in All sEttings
[19:46] <SamwiseGamgee> and cannot find the icon for sound setttings
[19:47] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i use pavucontrol.. pulse audio volume control.. there should be an icon in your tray. there is alsamixer.. many options
[19:47] <holstein> !audio
[19:47] <SamwiseGamgee> God, I miss Windows, most things that take 10 secs in Windows take 5 mins in Xubuntu
[19:47] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its more about being used to what you are looking for. you should see me trying to find *anything* in windows 8
[19:48] <SamwiseGamgee> No, that's the wrong setting
[19:48] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: think about how long you used windows in the beginnging without doing anything anywhere near what you are tyring to do in linux right now
[19:48] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm trying to change back a setting that may have caused a problem....
[19:48] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: again, "no, thats the wrong setting" is not a question
[19:48] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i have *no* idea what you have changed, or how, or why
[19:48] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, I used Windows for 10 years, that's why I got so fast
[19:49] <SamwiseGamgee> it took me 10 secs to find it last night
[19:49] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: so, try and give yourself more than 10 days to locate all the configuration
[19:49] <SamwiseGamgee> now it's taking me 5 minn to find it
[19:50] <SamwiseGamgee> it takes so long to find all settings, too
[19:50] <SamwiseGamgee> it's impossible to put all settings anwayere on the desktop
[19:50] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its not... but again, thats not a question
[19:50] <SamwiseGamgee> believe me, I tried
[19:50] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried putting it in the panel
[19:51] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried putting it on the desktop
[19:51] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i put whatever i want anywhere
[19:51] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried putting it in favourites
[19:51] <SamwiseGamgee> I failed on on 3 counts
[19:51] <holstein> favorites is not the desktop
[19:51] <holstein> i literally make a launcher on the desktop for terminal commands if i want/need
[19:51] <holstein> you can typically just drage what you want out there.. or right click and add.. you can also add a dock that is on the desktop..
[19:52] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you'll have to start asking questions and stop stating failure..
[19:53] <SamwiseGamgee> It takes me less time to fix things than to ask questions
[19:54] <SamwiseGamgee> I hate all settings
[19:55] <SamwiseGamgee> I still can't put it anywhere on my desktop
[19:55] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm startring to really hate xubuntu
[19:55] <SamwiseGamgee> everytghing is so slow
[19:57] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its fine here.. feel free and ask any questions you like.
[19:57] <SamwiseGamgee> I give up
[19:57] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm going to go eat sth
[19:57] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks for trying to help
[19:59] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i will be glad to *actually* help, if you want to ask a question.. i literally make desktop launchers for anything i choose
[19:59] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm trying to add all settings to a panel....
[20:00] <SamwiseGamgee> cause I'm sick of spending to much time looking for all settings every time I need to fix sth
[20:01] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: what i did was, i used a live CD to add *eveything* to the panel, and see what each thing did.. there are lots of ways to add customized menus to the panel that would only contain what you are looking for
[20:01] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: though, what i suggest is, just keep using the system, and you will get more comfortable, and need to fix it less often..
[20:01] <SamwiseGamgee> I have a lot of problems with all settings
[20:02] <holstein> maybe just address the problems..
[20:02] <SamwiseGamgee> the first problem I noticed was that if I deleted an item from my panel, it got permanently deleted and I could never ever use it agian or find it
[20:02] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: ok.. thats just not true
[20:02] <SamwiseGamgee> that happned with Notes
[20:02] <xangua> Maybe you should focus on explaining what your original goal was, what you did from the very beginning instead of just discussing that you want all the latest software or that you can't put icons in your desktop, I've b been here for some time and I just don't have any idea of what your  problem is SamwiseGamgee
[20:02] <SamwiseGamgee> the only way I could get Notes tow ork again was reinstalling xubuntu
[20:03] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: what i would do is, get in  an environment where you can play around with the panels and items that you can add. the live CD or the guest account
[20:03] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: thats not true.. you chose to reinstall to deal with that..
[20:03] <SamwiseGamgee> Yeah, the guest account, good idea
[20:04] <SamwiseGamgee> the other problem I had was when I tried to add items to a panel, All Settings was not an option
[20:05] <SamwiseGamgee> I have tried many ways of getting all settings onto a panel or on my desktop, and each method failed
[20:05] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no.. the problem you had was, you removed the notes applet, and tried to add it back and didnt know how
[20:05] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: thats the problem i am discussing right now.
[20:05] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, I thought it was only removed from my panel, even though it warned me I was permanently deleting it
[20:05] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: as for adding "all settings", as i said, you can add that many ways to the desktop and panel.. i would make a panel with a menu and edit that menu to show whatever..
[20:06] <SamwiseGamgee> but I had to accept the permanent delete, because there was no other way to remove it from the panel
[20:06] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: there are plenty of ways to do everything
[20:06] <SamwiseGamgee> yes, I tried that.  All Settings is never an available item for anyh of the panels
[20:06] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: when you say "there was no other way" you are wrong, and not asking a question, or giving yourself the opportuinty to learn
[20:07] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i would add ahttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1365867
[20:07] <holstein> many ways to add what you are tyring to add
[20:08] <SamwiseGamgee> I like the idea of testing things as a guest, because I am sick of getting burned every time I try something and fail
[20:09] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: or, a live CD, or VM with snapshots
[20:10] <SamwiseGamgee> but before I do that, I should fix the sound setting that caused the sound problem first, while it is still fresh in my memory
[20:15] <SamwiseGamgee> God I hate xubuntu
[20:15] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: please dont do that..
[20:16] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: lots of volunteers work hard here.. you can take advantage of the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for non-suport related chat
[20:16] <SamwiseGamgee> sorry for being blunt and honest if it offends you
[20:16] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its doenst offend me at all.. and there is an appropriate channel for it.. #xubuntu-offtopic ..thanks
[20:17] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks for the suggestion
[20:19] <ARM9> or you can take your venting to ##c++
[20:44] <SamwiseGamgee> what is lightdm
[20:45] <ObrienDave> the opening logon screen
[20:45] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, thanks
[21:45] <orangerobot> hello I'm trying to install a minimal XFCE into a clean ubuntu trusty 32 but when I run "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends | grep abi" i see that abiword is there but it is listed as recommend oly
[21:45] <orangerobot> only*
[21:46] <orangerobot> is there anything else I need to do *not* to include extra stuff like abiword?
[21:46] <holstein> why not just install xfce4 ?
[21:46] <holstein> !mini
[21:46] <holstein> i would start with that iso, and just install xfce4.. though, it has recommends as well..
[21:47] <orangerobot> i'm using puppet so I need to start with one of the available boxes, one of which is a clean trusty32
[21:47] <orangerobot> why is abiword being included if I specifically asked it not to include recommends?
[21:48] <holstein> orangerobot: xubunt will have requirements, though.. how about just useing xfce4?
[21:49] <orangerobot> i will probably have to instal la few extra packages myself if I just install xfce4 that's why i wanted to install xubuntu-desktop but without the recoomends
[21:49] <orangerobot> isn't it what this page shows? http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/xubuntu-desktop
[21:50] <orangerobot> it lists abiword (and a whole lot of other packages) as recommends
[21:51] <holstein> sure. im not sure friend.. the xubuntu-desktop package is just not intended to necessarily do that..
[21:52] <holstein> if i wanted minimal xfce, id start with xfce.. its just me personally. not saing you are not seeing some kind of error.
[21:52] <SamwiseGamgee> Is FreetuxTV a good application?  Have you tried it?
[21:52] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: "good" is a matter of opinion..
[21:52] <SamwiseGamgee> In Engish, we use the word "good" to describe something that has value and is regarded as useful
[21:53] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: sure.. and you care welcome to use it and decide for yourself how useful it is
[21:53] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: it works as advertised.. do you need its functionality? if so, its "useful".. thus "good".. of not. then its not
[21:53] <holstein> !poll
[21:54] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[21:56] <SamwiseGamgee> should I install VLC Media Player before I install FreetuxTV?  Or install FreeTuxTV first?
[21:56] <knome> SamwiseGamgee, i don't think it makes any difference.
[21:57] <SamwiseGamgee> Has anyone here used FreeTuxTV?
[21:57] <knome> how do you benefit knowing that?
[21:58] <knome> if you have a question about using it, why not ask the real question?
[21:58] <SamwiseGamgee> I want to know if they find it easy to use or have any issues with it.  If so, I will not install it now
[21:58] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i have used it, friend..
[21:58] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: it works as advertised..
[21:58] <knome> the best way to find if it's easy enough and/or issue-free enough for you is to install it
[21:59] <holstein> i dont suggest using it..
[21:59] <slickymaster> hey knome
[21:59] <SamwiseGamgee> You mean, I should not install it now, and stick to the simpler apps until I get used to the xubuntu environment?
[22:00] <knome> hey slickymaster
[22:00] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if you are asking if anyone in the channel thinks you should install it, so far there is a few votes for you seeing for yourself, and one for dont install
[22:01] <SamwiseGamgee> I will not install it now.  I will stick to the simpler and easy apps for now
[22:02] <SamwiseGamgee> But I will install VLC Media
[22:28] <orangerobot> holstein: I've just installed xfce4 only and I really need more than that. I need gui login and a slightly more user-friendly desktop. that's why I wanted xubuntu-desktop without the recommends
[22:28] <holstein> orangerobot: lightdm
[22:30] <orangerobot> I know i can install each piece bit by bit but my main question would be why things listed as recommend still get installed when I ask --no-install-recommends
[22:30] <holstein> orangerobot: things? or just the one thing? abiword?
[22:30] <orangerobot> everything listed as recommend
[22:30] <holstein> i mean, im not saying you are not experiencing a legitimate bug there
[22:30] <holstein> !bug
[22:31] <holstein> if *everything* listed is coming in, maybe you are implementing the commands incorrectly
[22:32] <holstein> !purexfce
[22:32] <holstein> nah.. thats not going to help..
[22:32] <orangerobot> holstein: hmm. interesting. i will have a look at that. thanks.
[22:34] <fricetix> Guys, newbie question! How do I use XFCE themes I downloaded? I got Rele from deviantArt and I copied it into /home/.themes but can't find it in my Appearance dialog in the themes list. What am I doing wrong? Thanks!


[08:59] <tdr112> morning
[09:02] <slashtommy> good morning
[09:10] <tdr112> anyone know where i could get a hard drive this time in the morning
[09:10] <tdr112> city centre
[09:10] <moylan1> maplins?
[09:11] <tdr112> i can try there
[09:11] <moylan1> they have a site which indicates stock
[09:13] <moylan1> http://www.maplin.co.uk/hard-drives-and-memory/internal-hard-drives
[09:14] <slashtommy> and that place on parliament street
[09:15] <moylan1> petes?
[09:15] <slashtommy> no, net- something iirc
[09:15] <slashtommy> next to front lounge
[09:15] <slashtommy> maplin is a bit pricey, but then it depends who is paying
[09:16] <moylan1> http://www.peats.ie/ they say they still sell hard disks but haven't been in there in ages.
[09:21] <moylan1> but yeah, if you're buying in the city centre you're paying for rent
[09:21] <tdr112> is there a pc world anywhere in the city centre
[09:22] <moylan1> jervis
[09:22] <moylan1> http://www.pcworld.ie/aspx/storelocator.aspx
[09:29] <tdr112> ah cool i will try there and then on to maplin
[09:31] <tdr112> thanks all


[00:28] <mhall119> hi
[00:30] <Viper550> Is anyone here good with moin?
[00:31] <mhall119> not sure
[00:31] <mhall119> not me anyway
[11:19] <cjohnston> g'mornin
[11:20] <cjohnston> mhall119: wanna head east with us?
[12:40] <Amoz> g'day
[13:21] <mhall119> cjohnston: for a 30% change? no
[13:22] <mhall119> morning Amoz
[13:34] <Amoz> someone knows where holbach is hiding? :)
[13:35] <nigelb> he isn't on this channel but he should be in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-motu
[13:51] <mhall119> Amoz: he had an away message saying "break" earlier
[14:01] <Amoz> thanks :D
[14:13] <Amoz> is it just me or is harvest weird?
[14:13] <Amoz> I can't see any opportunities
[14:14] <nigelb> Amoz: I remember some trouble yesterday
[14:14] <nigelb> Amoz: check with dholbach
[15:17] <mhall119> Amoz: he did a deployment that's had some db issues, he's working on getting them fixed
[15:18] <mhall119> 9 minutes to launch
[15:49] <mhall119> Amoz: can you check harvest again?
[17:20] <Amoz> mhall119, no troubles here afai can see
[17:25] <mhall119> cool
[17:25] <Amoz> that dholbach guy is very handy sometimes ;)
[18:43] <cjohnston> mhall119: you should have come


[01:26] <alteroo> Hallo :)
[01:26] <alteroo> how's everyone?
[02:23] <shtylman> anyone else having problems starting amarok?
[02:25] <shtylman> hmm...nvm...blew away my amarok directory and forced a rebuild and it launches now..
[02:25] <shtylman> makes me wish I didn't just delete it so I could debug it ... :/
[02:30] <shtylman> ooo...interesting...it crashes after refreshing my music collection...
[03:59]  * shtylman hax fixed all the filepicker bugs except that damn invisible text issue!! (cries)
[03:59] <shtylman> *has
[04:01]  * ScottK has a daughter that will be glad to know.
[04:01] <shtylman> ScottK: she would be gladder if I could fix this damn text problem :)
[04:02] <ScottK> shtylman: No doubt, but you got the one that made her think her homework was lost.  She didn't even notice the text one yet.
[04:03] <shtylman> heh...not many people have really... but the invisible checkbox text is a big clue...
[04:03] <shtylman> I think it is an initialization problem.. or threading or ownership...or something
[04:03] <shtylman> but can't place it for the life of me...
[04:04] <shtylman> ScottK: also... brave daughter for using alpha software to do homework :)
[04:04] <ScottK> shtylman: Well the kids computer is a desktop and so if she wants to go in her room where it's quiet to concentrate, her options are limited.
[04:04] <ScottK> Any help from upstream?
[04:05] <shtylman> nope .. I asked on kde-devel once
[04:05] <shtylman> maybe I will try again...
[04:05] <ScottK> How about OOo upstream?
[04:05] <shtylman> don't know if they are all that interested
[04:05] <ScottK> If you think it's a KDE specific problem, maybe agateau would help out.
[04:05] <shtylman> OO upstream..we don't have a clue :)
[04:06] <ScottK> Lovely.
[04:06] <shtylman> I sent the involved people an email... so far nothing
[04:06] <shtylman> I don't know if it is kde specific or just the specific way we are using the qt event loop or what
[04:07] <shtylman> I do know that it is very weird that one stype shows text and another doesn't...
[05:07] <shtylman> ok...so I think it is a kde related issue...
[05:24] <alteroo> Who is on the Kubuntu artwork team?
[05:25] <nixternal> alteroo: there isn't on that I know of, but there is one person who does most of the artwork around here and that is kwwii
[05:25] <alteroo> Is there a Koala Kubuntu artwork wiki page?
[05:25] <nixternal> don't know anything about the artwork
[05:25] <nixternal> #ubuntu-artwork might..I think that is there channel
[05:26] <nixternal> though, I believe for Koala our plans were to stay vanilla, though that could have changed and I do not know about it
[05:27]  * alteroo sighs
[05:27] <nixternal> why?
[05:28] <nixternal> the great thing is you can change it to whatever you want
[05:28] <alteroo> I know
[05:28] <ScottK> There were plans to make use of the upstream offer to help with distro specific artwork that was true to the upstream KDE look, but no one showed up to do the work.
[05:28] <alteroo> Just aggravating that because kwwii does good work on Kubuntu he doesn't work on kubuntu anymore
[05:28] <nixternal> oh ya, forgot about the upstream offer
[05:29] <ScottK> He did do the usb-creator-kde icons for us
[05:29] <alteroo> ScottK: Where did that break ?
[05:29] <ScottK> alteroo: It was on the list for Karmic, but never any volunteers.  I don't know the details.
[05:29] <ScottK> People got busy, I guess.
[05:30] <alteroo> What's the structure of upstream help?
[05:31] <alteroo> istro says we want help
[05:31] <alteroo>  Upstream works with them on a design
[05:31] <alteroo> then ...
[05:31] <alteroo> volunteers or employees of te distro implement with upstream as a support channel ?
[05:31] <ScottK> Something like that.
[05:32] <ScottK> Artwork is totally not my area, so I don't recall the details.
[05:32]  * ScottK needs to get to sleep anyway ...
[05:32] <ScottK> Good night.
[05:32] <alteroo> Night
[05:33] <ScottK> Maybe by tomorrow someone will have bothered to make an announcement to the Ubuntu community about our next release name.
[05:36] <alteroo> Oh it's be announced?
[05:37] <alteroo> I was just thinking about what it would be today
[05:37] <alteroo> been
[05:41]  * alteroo pokes nixternal
[05:49] <rgreening> lazt llama
[05:49] <rgreening> lazy
[05:49] <rgreening> :P
[05:50] <alteroo> I just checked the mailiang list :-p
[05:50] <alteroo> and I dunno Lamma seems lame
[05:51] <alteroo> when you can have a Leopard :)
[05:51] <alteroo> Or a Lampry
[05:57] <nixternal> has to do with a cat, all I will say
[05:58] <nixternal> and it is not a leopard
[05:59] <nixternal> think cat with pointy tipped ears
[05:59] <nixternal> though I don't know when it will officially be announced
[06:07] <shtylman> Liger!
[06:07] <shtylman> please be Liger
[06:13] <rgreening> Lynx
[06:13] <nixternal> someone got part of it right :)
[06:13] <rgreening> Newfie Lynx
[06:13] <nixternal> lol
[06:13] <nixternal> Russian Snow Point Lynx
[06:14] <nixternal> the only cat I have ever owned was of that breed
[06:14] <rgreening> Lethargic Lynx
[06:14] <shtylman> haha
[06:14] <nixternal> heh
[06:14] <shtylman> Linguistic Liger!
[06:15] <rgreening> Lousy lYNX
[06:15] <rgreening> Linux Lynx
[06:15] <rgreening> Limbic
[06:15] <rgreening> Leaping
[06:16] <rgreening> Lary?
[06:16] <nixternal> Leisure Suit Lary?
[06:17] <rgreening> Leisure Larry Lynx in Land of Limp Leprochans
[06:17] <nixternal> oh hellz ya
[06:17] <nixternal> so I wasn't the only perverted kid in here 20 years ago :p
[06:17] <rgreening> hah
[06:32] <rgreening> Lurching Lynx
[06:32] <rgreening> Lunching Lynx
[06:38] <rgreening> Lean Lynx
[06:40] <rgreening> lagotic lynx
[06:43] <rgreening> lative lynx
[06:45] <rgreening> lepid lynx
[06:45] <rgreening> nixternal: ^
[06:45] <rgreening> levin or lightning lynx
[06:46] <rgreening> levitating lynx
[06:46] <rgreening> I'll guess it eventually
[06:50] <rgreening> lucent lynx
[06:50] <alteroo> Lynx
[06:51] <alteroo> I can normally get the animal
[06:51] <rgreening> luminous lynx
[06:51] <alteroo> I can't be bothered with the adjective cause it's normally so offbase
[06:53] <rgreening> hehe
[06:53] <alteroo> Was there ever an explanation of karmic?
[06:53] <rgreening> I believe so
[06:53] <alteroo> I think that was fully glossed over in favour of oooooh shiny clouds
[06:53] <rgreening> haha
[06:53] <alteroo> I remember why it was feisty and hardy
[06:54] <alteroo> Feisty was almost the whole explaantion. fawn was tacked on
[06:54] <rgreening> It'll probably be learned lynx
[06:54] <alteroo> hardy was about equally split between hardy and heron
[06:54] <alteroo> Though no one cared they just liked saying hairy hardon
[06:55] <alteroo> Ibex and Koala had no explanations as to why it was intrprid or Karmic
[06:55] <alteroo> He could call it Lecherous Lynx and still just gloss over it
[06:55] <rgreening> limber lynx :)
[06:55] <alteroo> (cause it's going to **** you over)
[06:56] <alteroo> Limber
[06:56] <alteroo> I like Limber
[06:56] <rgreening> and would be coined limberger
[06:56] <rgreening> cheesey
[06:56] <alteroo> :-p
[06:56] <alteroo> Q should be interesting
[06:57] <alteroo> Quahog?
[06:57] <alteroo> Quaffe?
[06:57] <alteroo> Quagga?
[06:57] <alteroo> As long as it's not Queen (insert animal here)
[06:58] <rgreening> haha
[06:58] <rgreening> Quail
[06:58] <alteroo> -_-
[06:58] <rgreening> Quixotical Quail
[06:58] <alteroo> Yeah Guess I missed Quail
[06:59] <alteroo> So far he seems to avoid the knee jerk animal reaction
[06:59] <alteroo> So Leopard and Lion are out for this next round
[07:00] <alteroo> By the way speaking of Out does anyone have a recent Kubuntu ISO build?
[07:00] <alteroo>  there is a lot of Gnome stuff in the boot up
[07:00] <alteroo> Also Riddell probably still disagrees but I think that there should be a countdown for the login screen to autologin
[07:02] <rgreening> autologin umm...
[07:02] <rgreening> what gnome stuff
[07:02] <alteroo> rgreening: if someone logs out of the desktop there is no way to logback in
[07:03] <alteroo> trackerd is the one that bugs me the most
[07:03] <rgreening> whats trackerd
[07:03] <alteroo> but boot up a live CD and press F6 to enable boot messages
[07:03] <alteroo> Gnome version of strigi
[07:04] <rgreening> hmm... how did that happen haha
[07:04] <rgreening> smething to adjust in the seed I guess.. Riddell ^
[07:04] <rgreening> ScottK: ^
[07:05] <alteroo> There were more new things in the latest build I tested
[07:06] <alteroo>  that was about three days ago and I'm stressed so I  don't remember what they were but I know I was thinking What the heck is that doing on a KDE cd?
[07:06] <alteroo> We have no KDE3 libs on the CD anymore right?
[07:06] <alteroo> Oh also will the KDE3 ppa be up and running for Koala?
[07:11] <rgreening> dunno about kde3. there was a guy packaging the kde3 stuff... cant remember who that was at the moment.
[07:12] <alteroo> I do he's not on now
[07:23] <alteroo> Gnight
[07:24] <rgreening> nite
[07:25] <rgreening> Riddelll: we should patch konqueror plugin search dir to support moonlight (need to add /usr/lib/moon/plugin to search path)
[07:58] <rgreening> lucid huh... hmmm
[07:58] <rgreening> lucent would have been better and lees close to lucifer than lucid
[07:59] <rgreening> luciferous
[13:22] <ScottK> No trackerd on the CD: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-6/karmic-desktop-amd64.manifest
[16:58] <allee-k> Riddell: your last k3b upload broke libk3b6-extracodecs  when libav*-unstripped are installed.  See http://pastebin.ca/1572965
[16:59] <allee-k> The ' | libav...-unstripped...' alternatives are not listed in dependencies
[17:13] <allee-k> allee-k: ^^^ Hmm those are transitional pkgs.  So libk3b6-extracodecs should alternatively depend on the libav*-extra-*  as they replace the unstripped pkgs.   I wonder if a Conflicts/Replace/Provides in the libav*-extra would make the conflict go away.  (Currently the libav*extra only have conflicts and replaces)
[18:03] <freinhard> hi!
[18:03] <freinhard> anyone packaging krecpieps 2.0-alpha2 ?
[18:04] <freinhard> ...krecipes
[18:04] <freinhard> if not, i'll give it a try
[18:12] <neversfelde> freinhard: there is no [needs packaging] bug, so no one should do this at the moment
[18:41] <neversfelde> amarok's new photo widget is funny when listening to The Police^^
[19:26] <claydoh> freinhard: I just tried out krecipes alpha, it crashes hard on impoting any recipe files I throw at it  :(
[21:25] <nixternal> basket for kde4 is shaping up nicely
[21:34] <nixternal> jjesse: we lost all of the work I did in kubuntu-docs in bzr :/
[21:34] <nixternal> I just did a pull and it went from r115 to r102
[21:34] <nixternal> I looked through the logs and none of my commits are listed on LP
[21:34] <nixternal> there were a ton of changes to
[21:35] <nixternal> i take it back...all the changes are there, just no longer listed in the logs :/
[21:36] <nixternal> actually, the log is there, somehow your name is on all of my commits :/ and there are a bunch of commits missing
[21:53] <Riddelll> phew
[22:42] <nixternal> jjesse: uploaded updated kubuntu-docs because there was a string change by you