[07:38] <cafuego> ron_frown: They generally break stuff.
[07:38] <cafuego> MacPlusG3: yeah.
[07:38] <FLeiXiuS> MacPlusG3, I love to compile, simply for the extra advantage I get with customizations..
[07:38] <pvh> ron_frown: If the packages are built for ppc, you should be okay for all that stuff anyway.
[07:38] <jdub> ron_frown: those define the instructions used and very corner case tuning things. they don't magically make software faster, or able to use hardware features (such as altivec).
[07:38] <cafuego> FLeiXiuS: See my previous note about wasting time compiling for a .03usec gain.
[07:38] <MacPlusG3> FLeiXiuS: if you have to go and build something for some extra option then either the packaging or the package is broken and should be fixed
[07:39] <ron_frown> osx install takes ages
[07:39] <FLeiXiuS> MacPlusG3, I'm gentoo at heart.
[07:39] <jdub> FLeiXiuS: you'll get over it.
[07:39] <memo_> OK. I know that the last version of GAIM is 1.1.2. However Synaptic says that there's no updates. :?
[07:39] <MacPlusG3> FLeiXiuS: gentoo's big mistake is compiling everything from scratch
[07:39] <cafuego> FLeiXiuS: I would NOT admit that in public.
[07:39] <pvh> FLeiXiuS: That's cool. There's room for everyone in Linux.
[07:39] <pvh> cafuego: Why be down on him?
[07:39] <cafuego> pvh: Am I?
[07:39] <jdub> memo_: if you're running warty, that's correct. there is a particular version shipped and supported with the final release.
[07:39] <pvh> cafuego: Building software can be fun.
[07:39] <FLeiXiuS> cafuego, Well see, I love debians packaging more then the world, almost as simple as portage.
[07:39] <MacPlusG3> FLeiXiuS: and big mistake with a lot of gentoo users is using every single possible compiler flag on every single package
[07:39] <memo_> Oh.
[07:39] <cafuego> FLeiXiuS: it's simpler.
[07:40] <pvh> cafuego: Maybe I misinterpreted.
[07:40] <FLeiXiuS> cafuego, your damn right it is ;-)
[07:40] <cafuego> pvh: For the first 2 weeks, sure. After 12 years it gets REALLY tedious.
[07:40] <MacPlusG3> there's a joke among a couple of dev communities i've been involved in: when a stange bug comes in, the first question is: "are you running gentoo?"
 How do I get into the application list of stuff that boots automatically in order to erase one item?
[07:41] <embsupafly> Anyone good with printing problems
[07:42] <cafuego> DonL: try 'rcconf'
[07:42] <pvh> ron_frown: OSX is really nice though. I think I would personally stay with it.
[07:42] <ron_frown> I love macosx, but I cant customise the under lying stuff easy enough
[07:42] <pvh> ron_frown: So many really neat features not found in linux
[07:42] <ron_frown> I like gentoo very much
[07:42] <DonL> cafuego, thanks.  Okay
[07:43] <meskes> Thank god got the Unlimited VLM. ;)
[07:44] <FLeiXiuS> MacPlusG3, How do I put the PPC ISO from a MAC?  Is there a special 'option controll'?
[07:44] <cafuego> meskes: That's not quite the same as having to pay full retail at a shop.
[07:44] <ficusplanet> oo.org2.0 seems really nice so far.
[07:44] <FLeiXiuS> put == boot *
[07:44] <meskes> cafuego: true. heh
[07:44] <cafuego> for $1000 I can buy 1) Office or 2) two new linux boxen running OO.org
[07:44] <MacPlusG3> FLeiXiuS: burn ISO image to CD, hold down 'c' while booting the mac and it'll boot off the CD
[07:45] <ron_frown> oo.org?
[07:45] <FLeiXiuS> MacPlusG3, I knew there was a trick some where along the lines..there is a special PPC ISO correct?
[07:45] <ficusplanet> open office.org
[07:45] <MacPlusG3> cafuego: i prefer 'one good linux box and a year's supply of good beer'
[07:45] <K-Rich> anyone care to help me print to a windows printer ?
[07:45] <meskes> Man, I thought xmms would stream from my Samba server. Im glad I found out that Rythmbox does, and I think Im starting to like it better anyway.
[07:45] <MacPlusG3> FLeiXiuS: yeah, there's the powerpc iso. you can get it easily from the download page
[07:45] <cafuego> MacPlusG3: s/beer/vodka/ and I'm with ya
[07:45] <ron_frown> unless you are lucky like
[07:45] <ron_frown> me
[07:45] <ron_frown> my isp capped my download at 30 something k/sec
[07:45] <ron_frown> oh god that was a miserable download
[07:45] <pvh> meskes: I had to install amaroK, myself.
[07:46] <ron_frown> my buddy on a ds3 was downloading at amazing speeds
[07:46] <pvh> meskes: I really wanted to try and do without any KDE stuff, but amarok is just so wonderful.
[07:46] <FLeiXiuS> ron_frown, Comcast just upped my speeds to 4Mbps Down / 768Kbps Up
[07:46] <ron_frown> I supposedly have 3mb down speed
[07:46] <ron_frown> couldnt get faster than 40k/sec
[07:46] <K-Rich> ficusplanet: i tried what you said earlyer about printing to the windows shared printer but i get an error when i do 'NT_BAD_NETWORK_NAME'
[07:46] <ficusplanet> jdub, Speaking of great music players, do you know if you guys are going to package muine for hoary?
[07:46] <jdub> it's in universe
[07:46] <ron_frown> I should be capable of at least a couple hundred right?
[07:47] <pvh> jdub: It always is.
[07:47] <cafuego> ron_frown: 320-ish Kb/sec yeah
[07:47] <pvh> meskes: That's not the tragically hip.
[07:47] <ron_frown> not even close =)
[07:47] <ficusplanet> jdub, Awesome!  You've made my day/night wasted on irc.
[07:47] <cafuego> ron_frown: Just depends on the remote server
[07:47] <ron_frown> I will call em and bitch em out
[07:47] <DonL> K-Rich, if you ever get that printer working please let me know
[07:47] <meskes> pvh: um, sounds like them to me
[07:47] <pvh> meskes: That's Gord Downie's solo project, iirc.
[07:47] <ron_frown> no my buddy was on a ds3 but he was getting 670ks/ec
[07:47] <meskes> pvh: then that would explain it. heh
[07:47] <FLeiXiuS> Are there any good DVD rippers out there for linux?
[07:48] <pvh> meskes: Or am I getting it confused with "When are you thinking of disappearing"?
[07:48] <meskes> pvh: You are.
[07:48] <DonL> I can print a mean test page now, but I can't get any of my apps to do it
[07:48] <ficusplanet> FLeiXiuS, thoggen and ogmrip.
[07:48] <MacPlusG3> FLeiXiuS: there's a project called 'dvdripper' or something really simple like that. but (insert disclaimer about copyright)
[07:48] <pvh> meskes: Well, colour me stupid.
[07:48] <ron_frown> havent messed with linux in a while, printing got better I hope
[07:48] <meskes> pvh: heh, no ones perfect.
[07:48] <pvh> meskes: It can be hard to tell In this Violet Light.
[07:48] <ron_frown> it was absolute garbage before
[07:48] <jdub> ron_frown: keep it nice please
[07:49] <FLeiXiuS> ficusplanet, MacPlusG3 thankyou :-)
[07:49] <meskes> pvh: Heh, Ive Silver Jet playing now. speak of the devil.
[07:49] <ficusplanet> np
[07:49] <K-Rich> rather desperate here... need to make another Ubuntu T-Shirt for a giveaway at the next LUG meeting :)
[07:49] <FLeiXiuS> I wish only that I could get gdesklets working, hasn't worked in ages for me.
[07:50] <meskes> FLeiXiuS: they're over-rated anywat.
[07:50] <meskes> anyway, that is
[07:50] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, but of course, I like displays ;-)
[07:50] <DonL> K-Rich, maybe I have to play with Mozilla and Open Office to get them to work with the printer, but I didnt' have to before. I just don't understand
[07:50] <K-Rich> FLeiXiuS: i tried last night with warty myself with no luck... got errors whenever i clicked a .display
[07:50] <meskes> FLeiXiuS: I like the plain 'ol boring desktops.
[07:51] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, as do I, I loved the whole MacOSX menu bar feel.
[07:51] <K-Rich> DonL: errr.... my printer works, i just want to print to the windows printer
[07:51] <pvh> meskes: Was their last album worth getting? When the first single is called "Vaccination Scar" it's hard to get motivated.
[07:51] <DonL> Same here
[07:51] <meskes> pvh: Its ok.
[07:51] <DonL> But I don't have a printer hooked up to this computer. Just my wife's XP
[07:52] <meskes> pvh: I like the other shit, like 100th Meridian and whatnot.
[07:52] <meskes> s/other/older
[07:52] <pvh> meskes: I think The Weakerthans deserve their throne now.
[07:52] <meskes> heh
[07:52] <pvh> meskes: Or rather, are good successors to the throne.
[07:53] <K-Rich> DonL: i have an HP Laserjet 3... works great, my dad (XP user) has an HP Deskjet 3820 i can't seem to print to ...
[07:53] <meskes> I found a badass CD lastnight.... The Best of Testament. Had to get it.
[07:53] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, I'm still very happy with my NYC Underground Mix with Oakenford
[07:54] <fhobia> how come ubuntu manual setup allows you to get by without setting up a swap space ?
[07:54] <K-Rich> oh well, the lan works now so i can copy and have him print lol
[07:54] <K-Rich> fhobia: swap isn't required... just suggested.... i have 2GB ram... think i need swap for a desktop?
[07:54] <meskes> FLeiXiuS: I dont really care for Oakenford.
[07:55] <DonL> K-Rich, what's happening here is we have one printer in three computers, a router, and the printer's hooked up to an XP on the network. I had it printing from my linux box when I was running Fedora, and Mandrake, so I know it's possible. I've finally got it printing a Ubuntu test page, but none of my applications will print for some reason
[07:55] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, Anything out there with hard progressive house is fine with me
[07:55] <fhobia> K-Rich: i don't know :/
[07:55] <fhobia> K-Rich: by your answer, no
[07:55] <Sye> man prelink
[07:55] <meskes> Im rather into Ambient.
[07:55] <meskes> Prelink? Why thats somewhat evil...
[07:55] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, Eh, were all different!
[07:56] <K-Rich> DonL: odd... i had issues with mozilla here then installed xprt-xprintorg
[07:57] <DonL> K-Rich, lemme see. I think I did that.  See ya later
[08:00] <cafuego> xprint is SATAN
[08:01] <cafuego> If Ubuntu makde mozilla default to xprint, I'm switching back to Debian proper.
[08:02] <daniels> ubuntu does not support xprint, full stop
[08:03] <meskes> xprint is evil. Give me CUPS or die.
[08:03] <FLeiXiuS> CUPS > All :-)
[08:04] <cafuego> Xprint makes netbank crash (CBA)
[08:04] <K-Rich> DonL: i think i lost more hair on this tonight than i have in the last year combined lol
[08:05] <|Kyle|> I guess that there's no way to import Thunderbird email from windows to linux?
[08:05] <kakalto> yeah there is
[08:05] <kakalto> but
[08:06] <cafuego> |Kyle|: Just copy the profile folder
[08:06] <|Kyle|> :o
[08:06] <kakalto> and if that doesn't work, go on irc.mozilla.org #thunderbird
[08:06] <|Kyle|> That's another thing I wanted to ask, how do I access my windows partitions? :?
[08:06] <kakalto> ntfs or vfat?
[08:06] <poningru> kyle it also depends on what you are using
[08:06] <calc> you can definitely do it, but how much work it is i don't know
[08:06] <kakalto> go onto www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:06] <poningru> imap or pop?
[08:07] <|Kyle|> pop
[08:07] <calc> i have used windows thunderbird to convert outlook email to mbox then on linux imported that into evolution
[08:07] <cafuego> ntfs/vfat are both readable, shouldn't be an issue.
[08:07] <calc> once its in mbox format you can import it into just about anything
[08:07] <poningru> yeah just transfer over your entire profile folder
[08:07] <|Kyle|> but where are they?
[08:07] <kakalto> but they do have different settings...
[08:07] <kakalto> Kyle, depends on your windows version
[08:07] <kakalto> on xp, it's under documents and settings
[08:07] <cafuego> |Kyle|: Documents & Settings/User/Application Data/ ...
[08:07] <|Kyle|> no, I mean, where are my partitions :P
[08:08] <cafuego> Possibly  aLOcal Settings in between there
[08:08] <|Kyle|> I still don't understand linux filesystem
[08:08] <cafuego> |Kyle|: On the disk ;-)
[08:08] <kakalto> |Kyle|; www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:08] <kakalto> if that's the right link, it's very useful :D
[08:08] <|Kyle|> *checks the site*
[08:08] <kakalto> it is correct
[08:09] <cafuego> |Kyle|: if you run 'fdisk -l' it will list your partitions.
[08:09] <kakalto> there's a section there on windows partitions
[08:09] <poningru> if you dont like command line
[08:09] <poningru> use qtparted
[08:09] <poningru> or qparted
[08:09] <poningru> sorry
[08:09] <poningru> heh
[08:09] <meskes> poningru: if you dont like CLI, you shouldnt be using linux
[08:09] <kakalto> I was just going to say the same thing
[08:09] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, beat me to it
[08:09] <meskes> :D
[08:09] <MacPlusG3> meskes: not true, my mother uses linux for everything and doesn't touch cli
[08:10] <kakalto> depends on the version
[08:10] <kakalto> if it's mandrake, fine
[08:10] <poningru> meskes: thats not true
[08:10] <kakalto> if it's slackware...
[08:10] <poningru> yeah even ubuntu
[08:10] <meskes> MacPlusG3: there is the execption to the rule. but Im sure she is not the admin of said box, MacPlusG3
[08:10] <poningru> the cli is minimal
[08:10] <FLeiXiuS> It would mainly depend on how well the system is configured..
[08:10] <poningru> lets not get into this argument
[08:11] <meskes> Im old school I guess, I prefer CLI
[08:11] <MacPlusG3> meskes: yeap. the only things i've ever done are: install (although she did the previous fedora install), install wifi card
[08:11] <poningru> this horse has been beaten black and blue in slashdot
[08:11] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, as I am also lol..learned it well from remote management terminals..
[08:11] <poningru> yeah I am learning
[08:11] <meskes> ;)
[08:11] <poningru> the only thing I am trying to figure out is iptables
[08:14] <|Kyle|> So, there's no way to actually browse the partitions using a GUI?
[08:14] <meskes> You know, I should use my correct nick come to think of it.
[08:15] <syn-ack> ah, thats better.
[08:15] <K-Rich> outages are evil
[08:16] <|Kyle|> Oh, I have to mount it to use it...
[08:16] <poningru> kyle: what did I just say
[08:16] <poningru> qparted
[08:16] <poningru> hold on
[08:17] <poningru> http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/
[08:17] <|Kyle|> Yay, I actually mounted it :O
[08:18] <|Kyle|> Partition Magic clone? where was this when I screwed up windows some months ago! D:
[08:18] <syn-ack> root@Laptop:~ # mount | grep /dev/hda
[08:18] <syn-ack> /dev/hda3 on / type reiserfs (rw,commit=0)
[08:18] <poningru> sigh
[08:18] <syn-ack> thats all I need.
[08:18] <lifeless> |Kyle|: just parted will do
[08:18] <|Kyle|> Thanks.
[08:18] <syn-ack> or even cfdisk
[08:18] <poningru> or even just a command line
[08:18] <poningru> whats your point?
[08:18] <|Kyle|> I'm using command line
[08:19] <poningru> good for you dude
[08:19] <poningru> honestly
[08:19] <|Kyle|> I didn't found any other way to do it :P
[08:19] <syn-ack> thats a curses based partioner, nice frontend to fdisk, Kyle
[08:19] <|Kyle|> I guess that Linux will make me refresh my google skills.
[08:19] <syn-ack> |Kyle|: See you're learning already.
[08:19] <poningru> I wished that I had foresight to just use cli all the time instead of all this stuff
[08:20] <|Kyle|> Be right back.
[08:20] <duelike> Hi All, any body have any experience with SMB printer ?
[08:20] <duelike> I (still) can not connect and use SMB printer
[08:20] <syn-ack> Personally, thats the way I think everyone needs to learn linux first. To hell with all the GUI stuff.
[08:21] <poningru> syn-ack: you ever think about reserf4?
[08:21] <poningru> I am looking into it
[08:21] <poningru> what do you think?
[08:21] <syn-ack> poningru: hell no, too unstable ATM
[08:21] <poningru> yeah thats what I heard too but so many people swear by it
[08:21] <syn-ack> poningru: Im going to give it another year or so.
[08:21] <poningru> woah that long?
[08:22] <poningru> thought was supposed to be ~stable around summer
[08:22] <syn-ack> poningru: I want to know my FS is a rock before I commit to it
[08:22] <poningru> yeah thats true
[08:23] <syn-ack> poningru: I *STILL* use a /boot/ partition with ext2 on it.
[08:23] <syn-ack> /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw)
[08:28] <brc_> upgraded to hoary from a clean warty install...now my taskbar buttons have shrunk so they just show the first letter of the app name...
[08:29] <brc_> I can't seem to figure out where to change this
[08:30] <K-Rich> rhythm box is cool
[08:31] <K-Rich> i like it better than xmms :P
[08:32] <Heinz> xmms rocks :-)
[08:32] <wm_eddie> or it doesn't!
[08:33] <pvh> brc_: Right click in some of the empty space and go to preferences.
[08:33] <kakalto> rhythm box is good.
[08:33] <kakalto> mostly the song library
[08:33] <brc_> pvh, I only see properties...which doesn't seem to have anything related to this in it
[08:34] <Heinz> i want to install gdesklets, but, i remember that .. i have to install a extra *.deb for gdesklets that has all the displays
[08:34] <Heinz> someone remember the package?
[08:35] <K-Rich> doesn't
[08:35] <K-Rich> :P
[08:35] <bur[n] er> Heinz: apt-cache search gdesklets
[08:35] <Heinz> lol sniff :S
[08:35] <pvh> brc_: Create an odd number of windows.
[08:35] <bur[n] er> gdesklets-data :P
[08:35] <Heinz> hohoh
[08:35] <Heinz> data
[08:35] <Heinz> yup
[08:35] <pvh> brc_: Try right clicking in a gap between them.
[08:35] <K-Rich> Heinz: in warty it seems borked :/
[08:35] <pvh> brc_: You'll know you have it when you get a different context menu from either right-clicking a window or right-clicking the usual panel.
[08:36] <brc_> pvh, found it
[08:36] <Heinz> bur[n] er, thank you so much for the tip. :-)  K-Rich :  :P
[08:36] <bur[n] er> np
[08:36] <pvh> brc_: The first option will be "preferences", not "add to panel"
[08:36] <brc_> aha, if you right click on the shaded area on the far left, right of the show desktop icon...
[08:36] <pvh> brc_: There you go.
[08:36] <brc_> yup I found the size tab
[08:37] <brc_> seems like it would make a lot of sense to have the preferences option listed no matter where you rightclick
[08:37] <brc_> I suppose that's a gnome thing
[08:37] <ron_frown> I gotta say ubuntu really couldnt be an easier install
[08:37] <syn-ack> what is?
[08:37] <Heinz> time to sleep
[08:37] <Heinz> cya and thanks
[08:37] <enntee> Is Hoary in a pretty useable state?
[08:37] <ron_frown> hopefully this time through it all works good
[08:37] <jdub> enntee: yes.
[08:37] <syn-ack> enntee: Im using it.
[08:37] <brc_> enntee, seems to work for me
[08:38] <enntee> well i hope you're all satisfied, i'm installing it.
[08:38] <jdub> GO GO GO!
[08:38] <ron_frown> I can download 2.6.10 and just make menuconfig and install it?
[08:38] <jdub> alternatively, you could test the livecd
[08:38] <jdub> ron_frown: why bother?
[08:38] <syn-ack> ron_frown: just install the image?
[08:38] <brc_> pvh, the minimum size was set to 50, and the max to 4096....but it seemed to be using the minimum size even though I only had 3 windows open....any idea why?
[08:38] <ron_frown> umm, is it compiled with little/no functionality compiled in, and just load all the modules I want
[08:38] <ron_frown> ?
[08:39] <K-Rich> damn, manual.gimp.org is down :/
[08:39] <ron_frown> is that how kernel modules work/
[08:39] <ron_frown> er ubuntus kernel images?
[08:39] <jdub> of course
[08:39] <syn-ack> K-Rich: www.azcomputercentral.com ... I have a whole book on the GIMP there.
[08:39] <brc_> this is odd
[08:40] <brc_> seems it went below the minimum size when I opened a bunch of firefox windows
[08:40] <bur[n] er> quick question... to upgrade an ubuntu kernel... is it just "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-386"
[08:40] <syn-ack> K-Rich: LITTERALLY a whole book.
[08:40] <brc_> syn-ack, you from phx area?
[08:40] <jdub> bur[n] er: easier to install linux-386, linux-686, linux-k7, etc.
[08:40] <syn-ack> brc_: Tucson.
[08:40] <bur[n] er> jdub: no menu.lst editing or anythign else right?
[08:40] <ron_frown> az is too damn hot
[08:40] <jdub> bur[n] er: those meta packages end up depending on the current latest kernel
[08:40] <brc_> it's awesome this time of year
[08:40] <jdub> bur[n] er: hell no ;)
[08:40] <brc_> we got a bunch of rain today
[08:40] <ron_frown> 1though I'd rather have heat than weather we had today
[08:41] <syn-ack> aha, brc_ Im actually getting ready to move to Kansas City.
[08:41] <syn-ack> brc_: We did too.
[08:41] <ron_frown> rain, and shit
[08:41] <ron_frown> of course last month we had 4weeks of rain
[08:41] <bur[n] er> right on... i've never installed a kernel like that :)  thanks jdub
[08:41] <ron_frown> which is bizarre for cali
[08:41] <brc_> damnit!
[08:41] <brc_> these taskbar icons are acting really strange
[08:42] <K-Rich> syn-ack: i have that bookmarked (or the link from the gimp site)
[08:42] <K-Rich> syn-ack: Your in AZ ?
[08:42] <syn-ack> K-Rich: yes.
[08:42] <syn-ack> K-Rich: Tucson.
[08:42] <brc_> it seems to work properly with max size when I have only one window open, but as soon as I open a second window it goes to min size
[08:43] <K-Rich> brc_: Your in Az too ?
[08:44] <brc_> K-Rich, yep
[08:44] <brc_> K-Rich, what part?
[08:44] <syn-ack> WTF? Gnome 2.8 doesnt have the weatherapplet anymore?
[08:44] <bur[n] er> my gnome 2.8 does :)
[08:44] <|Kyle|> Uhm... No Thunderbird 1.0?
[08:44] <syn-ack> mine doesnt. :(
[08:45] <syn-ack> K-Rich: So, which part of the start are you from?
[08:46] <syn-ack> state, that is
[08:48] <brc_> K-Rich, what part of AZ are you from?
[08:48] <brc_> er...dupe
[08:49] <ron_frown> yay try 2 with ubuntu actually worked
[08:49] <ron_frown> I wonder if it left my osx partitions in tact
[08:49] <ron_frown> so warty is old, hoary is new?
[08:49] <bur[n] er> yes
[08:50] <ron_frown> when hoary gets more stable, will it be fairly easy to upgrade?
[08:50] <syn-ack> ron_frown: Warty is like Debian Stable.
[08:50] <bur[n] er> hoary is not 'officially' released until ~ april
[08:50] <jdub> ron_frown: warty is released, hoary is under development
[08:50] <jdub> ron_frown: cinchy
[08:50] <ron_frown> coo
[08:50] <jdub> bur[n] er: "~"? THERE IS NO MAYBE.
[08:50] <|Kyle|> Is there any good image browser for linux?
[08:50] <brc_> syn-ack, warty is a far cry from woody....
[08:50] <brc_> :p
[08:51] <ron_frown> woody
[08:51] <whiprush> |Kyle|: try gthumb.
[08:51] <ron_frown> they should name a distro schlong
[08:51] <syn-ack> brc_: well yea, thats why I said "like" its the production distro. :p
[08:51] <bur[n] er> ~ == around/about april ;)
[08:51] <bur[n] er> i wasn't sure timing
[08:51] <brc_> heh
[08:51] <brc_> GAH!
[08:52] <syn-ack> ron_frown: you have issuse.
[08:52] <|Kyle|> OK, thanks. And an updated movie player (DivX, XviD, etc)?
[08:52] <syn-ack> and thats bad coming from me.
[08:52] <brc_> installed kde from universe to see what it's like and now konqueror has decided to take over as default browser
[08:52] <syn-ack> |Kyle|: um mplayer, totem, xine....
[08:52] <ron_frown> I was drunk and tired, and typed genitals instead of gentoo
[08:52] <ron_frown> figured might as well leave it
[08:52] <bur[n] er> |Kyle|: check wiki for "UnrestristedFormats"
[08:52] <|Kyle|> OK. Thanks, again.
[08:52] <bur[n] er> er... "RestrictedFormats" maybe
[08:52] <brc_> ahh how nice
[08:52] <kakalto> lol
[08:52] <brc_> prefered applicatiosn
[08:53] <kakalto> |Kyle| go into www.ubuntuguide.org for how to install codecs
[08:53] <brc_> any hints how I"d go about removing konqueror from the right click on url menu in xchat?
[08:54] <|Kyle|> Reading...
[08:54] <brc_> (other then removing it entirely)
[08:54] <syn-ack> brc_: use irssi. ;)
[08:54] <syn-ack> brc_: and Gnome-terminal.
[08:54] <brc_> GAK!
[08:54] <brc_> bitchx > irssi!
[08:54] <ron_frown> I like xfce4
[08:54] <syn-ack> um GAG
[08:55] <ron_frown> I'd rather use that then gnome as a wm
[08:55] <syn-ack> ron_frown: Its ok
[08:55] <ron_frown> I like how its very simple
[08:55] <brc_> the more contorted confusing dangerous commands the better man!
[08:55] <ron_frown> yet still usable etc
[08:55] <K-Rich> I'm up in Show Low
[08:55] <syn-ack> K-Rich: no shit? where at up there?
[08:55] <syn-ack> I used to live up there...
[08:56] <|Kyle|> last question for a while... Any change of installing updated versions of software?
[08:56] <syn-ack> I used to live off of Reid Head...
[08:56] <syn-ack> K-Rich: man 5 apt-get
[08:56] <K-Rich> syn-ack: actually out towards Concho, but Show Low is closer :)
[08:56] <|Kyle|> Does http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ work? :?
[08:57] <syn-ack> Concho? OMG my grandma lives off of Concho and Hay Hollow!
[08:57] <syn-ack> K-Rich: in Snowflake Heights basically.
[08:58] <HrdwrBoB> |Kyle|: not very well
[08:58] <HrdwrBoB> |Kyle|: the version numbers are incorrect and will stop your system from being upgraded correctly
[08:58] <|Kyle|> =(
[08:59] <|Kyle|> So there's no way to update?
[08:59] <syn-ack> |Kyle|: man sources.list.
[08:59] <syn-ack> |Kyle|: come on, check out the wiki if need be...
[09:00] <HrdwrBoB> |Kyle|: you can update to warty (unstable)
[09:00] <HrdwrBoB> er hoary
[09:00] <|Kyle|> I'll check. It's just that everything it's a little too overwhelming.  I was thinking of moving up there and putting that little computer shop on Duce of clubs out of business.
[09:05] <syn-ack> guptan: one sec...
[09:07] <K-Rich> syn-ack: i've been here for 13 years now
[09:08] <syn-ack> guptan: here, check this out. http://tlug.up.ac.za/csslug/usb_devices.html
[09:08] <syn-ack> K-Rich: I lived up there 16 years ago. heh
[09:09] <syn-ack> hrm.
[09:09] <syn-ack> fonts in firefox b0rk and now look like crap. :/
[09:09] <guptan> syn-ack, I was wondering, do I need to modprobe any modules for usb disc?
[09:10] <Peter> i restarted ubuntu and now gnome didnt start, so i just have a terminal window showing... how would i launch gnome?
[09:11] <syn-ack> guptan: if they dont load by hotplug, yes.
[09:12] <PWM> Peter, I'm a total n00b, but try "startx" and press enter
[09:12] <insanekane> hi, are there any text editors simpler than gedit with ubuntu ? i need to test some patches to pango ...
[09:12] <Peter> command not found
[09:12] <PWM> hmm, like I said, I'm very new with linux :)
[09:14] <Peter> whats the apt get to install gnome again?
[09:15] <insanekane> Peter, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
[09:29] <kakalto> for some reason my totem media player won't show the visuals on my avi's...
[09:30] <kakalto> but it was working a few days ago
[09:36] <kakalto> anyone?
[09:37] <HrdwrBoB> yo
[09:37] <kakalto> could you help me?
[09:37] <TongMaster> kakalto, sudo dpkg -l | grep totem
[09:37] <kakalto> totem isn't showing the visuals on my avi's
[09:37] <kakalto> okie
[09:38] <TongMaster> dump the result here.
[09:38] <kakalto> rc  totem-gstreame 0.99.19-0ubunt A simple media player for the Gnome desktop
[09:38] <kakalto> ii  totem-xine     0.99.19-0ubunt A simple media player for the Gnome desktop
[09:39] <kakalto> ...and?
[09:40] <syn-ack> Man, I love Rythmbox
[09:41] <kakalto> dude, rhythm-box won't play avi's
[09:42] <pybe> kakalto: try sudo apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
[09:42] <TongMaster> kakalto, just making sure you had the good totem package and you do.
[09:43] <kakalto> pybe, they were playing a few days ago
[09:43] <pybe> kakalto: oh
[09:43] <kakalto> :)
[09:43] <pybe> same ones?
[09:43] <kakalto> yes
[09:43] <kakalto> or atleast I've tried the same ones
[09:43] <kakalto> aswell as others
[09:43] <pybe> you got w32codec installed?
[09:44] <kakalto> how else could I watch avi's
[09:44] <kakalto> ?
[09:44] <kakalto> yes
[09:44] <kakalto> of course
[09:44] <kakalto> I watched 11 episodes of Naruto
[09:44] <kakalto> this is random
[09:45] <pybe> does it eror or blue screen or what
[09:45] <kakalto> I closed it, and just opened it again
[09:45] <kakalto> blue screen
[09:45] <kakalto> but now it's working
[09:45] <kakalto> very strange.
[09:45] <kakalto> thanks anyway
[09:45] <pybe> kakalto: if you run it from a terminal it might give you an idea of what error its giving
[09:45] <pybe> oh
[09:46] <pybe> there is nothing worse than an intermittant problem
[09:46] <kakalto> maybe I just need to open it, close it, open it again if I need it to work :)
[09:46] <pybe> heh
[09:47] <kakalto> as much as I'd like to get to the bottom of this, I can't be bothered right now
[09:47] <kakalto> I'll watch one more ep then crash
[09:48] <pybe> know the feeling
[09:48] <kakalto> :)
[09:48] <MrTrick> hello
[09:49] <sacker> Hello MrTrick
[09:49] <syn-ack> HAHA. I just found a bug in the latest Rythmbox package.
[09:49] <guptan> i'm always getting /dev/sda1 not a valid block device, when mounting usb disk, is there any module to load b4 mounting?
[09:49] <MrTrick> hi sacker
[09:49] <kakalto> amazing
[09:49] <syn-ack> its showing every mp3 in the title bar as being paused even though its playing.
[09:49] <kakalto> I'm not the only person to use a sata hdd
[09:49] <MrTrick> syn-ack, solution is 'apt-get install xmms' :-)
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> guptan: how are you mounting it
[09:51] <guptan> HrdwrBoB,  mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1/
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> guptan: you can mount it using pmount /dev/sda1
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> as your use
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> user
[09:54] <K-Rich> night all
[09:55] <syn-ack> MrTrick: It doesnt connect to samba shares.
[09:55] <MrTrick> I'm a little confused about ubuntu's root account... If I click on the 'root terminal' in the gnome menu, the password is the same as my user account, but if I type 'su' from a normal terminal, I can't access the root account with that password (no idea what it's supposed to be)
[09:55] <guptan> HrdwrBoB, pmount, command not found
[09:55] <syn-ack> MrTrick: welcome to Sudo
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> MrTrick: what you want is 'sudo'
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> MrTrick: there is no root password
[09:55] <MrTrick> syn-ack, ah, ok. (not even if it's mounted to a conventional point on the filesystem?)
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> guptan: you are using ubuntu?
[09:55] <sacker> You can go into the root terminal and type passwd and change the root password to something other then your normal user password
[09:56] <MrTrick> syn-ack, HrdwrBob: Ahh, ok then.
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> MrTrick: sudo runs commands as root
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> eg: sudo apt-get update
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> it rocks
[09:56] <MrTrick> I see.
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> if you need a shell, sudo -s
[09:56] <guptan> no right now on debian
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> ah ok, that explains why no pmount
[09:56] <guptan> heh
[09:56] <guptan> sorry
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> guptan: install ubuntu :)
[09:57] <guptan> i have it already
[09:57] <MrTrick> One thing that annoys me is that to edit a conf file, there's no 'edit as root' option in the GUI
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu automounts usb storage :)
[09:57] <guptan> i was just testing this one for my friend
[09:57] <guptan> HrdwrBoB, i know
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> MrTrick: you can add one with nautilus scripts :)
[09:57] <brc_> I should try that (automount)
[09:57] <brc_> just got a new usbkey too
[09:57] <MrTrick> HrdwrBoB, is there a wiki entry on that?
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> MrTrick: search for nautilus scripts on the ubuntu website
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[09:57] <MrTrick> ah, thanks
[09:59] <guptan> HrdwrBoB, I can actually see usb disk entry in lsusb: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 8341:2000 EGO Systems, Inc. Flashdisk
[09:59] <brc_> woot!
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> guptan: dmesg will report the partition table etc
[09:59] <brc_> it worked! automagically!
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> brc_: :)
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> how about that!
[10:00] <brc_> 'spose I should mount my ntfs drives now
[10:00] <brc_> gotta figure out how to get the captive driver working
[10:05] <sacker> Cool My usbkey automounts too :-)
[10:09] <ephic> how would i set the root password in the root terminal?
[10:10] <bob2> you wouldn't, since you have sudo
[10:10] <bob2> this is in the FAQ
[10:10] <ephic> oh..
[10:10] <ephic> i see
[10:10] <ephic> lol
[10:10] <ephic> well how do i log into root then
[10:10] <ephic> is there a password?
[10:10] <bob2> no
[10:10] <bob2> please read the FAQ
[10:11] <ephic> ah damn k
[10:11] <MrTrick> HrdwrBoB, it worked, I can now see the 'edit as root' script in the context menu...
[10:11] <MrTrick> Is there any way to move it into the main context menu, not in the 'scripts' subfolder?
[10:12] <HrdwrBoB> MrTrick: I don't think so
[10:12] <MrTrick> Okay, ah well, it's better than opening up a root terminal every time I wanted to edit it.
[10:12] <HrdwrBoB> ephic: sudo 'command' runs command as root
[10:12] <HrdwrBoB> yeah, the scripts are handy
[10:12] <syn-ack> bob2: pfft. I still use su . :p
[10:13] <syn-ack> bob2: I do not trust nor believe in Sudo. :p
[10:13] <Agrajag> what
[10:13] <ephic> man.. that whole wt happened to root" isnt in faq
[10:14] <syn-ack> ephic: sure it is.
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> syn-ack: you don't trust sudo...
[10:14] <ephic> im not seeing it
[10:14] <Desdraftlit> yoo
[10:14] <Desdraftlit> whas up peeps
[10:14] <ephic> i dont trust sudo
[10:15] <syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: no I dont. I dont let ANYONE have access to root not with su / - nor sudo. they dont need it.
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> um
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> yes but the anyone is you
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> that's the whole point
[10:15] <syn-ack> not in my deployments.
[10:15] <Zindar> ehh... don't "trust" sudo? ... ehhh :)
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> make another account without sudo acecss
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> there's nothing wrong with sudo
[10:16] <syn-ack> Anyway, thats neither here nor there ATM
[10:16] <brc_> ha.
[10:16] <syn-ack> just filed a cosmetic bugreport on Rhythmbox.
[10:17] <syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: I would rather have a wheel account actually.
[10:17] <syn-ack> s/account/group...
[10:17] <HrdwrBoB> wheel group is coming
[10:17] <syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: heh
[10:18] <MrTrick> argh, still no luck with smb.conf
[10:18] <abelli> can someone point me to a script for printing pdfs?
[10:19] <MrTrick> Question: If smb.conf has 'hosts allow = $only my subnet', do I have to worry about authentication etc?
[10:19] <HrdwrBoB> abelli: hmm?
[10:20] <Zindar> abelli: pdf2ps file.pdf | lpr <-- or something like it
[10:20] <ephic> ok uhh..
[10:20] <ephic> so when i goto root terminal..
[10:20] <ephic> it asks for password.
[10:20] <MrTrick> ephic, same as your user account's...
[10:21] <abelli> Zindar: i need to print multiple pages on the same face
[10:21] <Zindar> abelli: pdf2ps file.pdf - | lpr <-- more like it
[10:21] <ephic> but see i dont even have a password for root..
[10:21] <ephic> because its not the same
[10:21] <Zindar> ephic: type your own password
[10:21] <ephic> i know its not the same
[10:21] <abelli> Zindar: this way how can i print 2 pages on the same face?
[10:21] <ephic> thats what i was saying
[10:21] <Zindar> abelli: mpage -2 is one way
[10:21] <HrdwrBoB> ephic: root doesn't have a password
[10:22] <ephic> i tried no password as well
[10:22] <Agrajag> ephic: it wants the password you used to log in
[10:22] <ephic> i know
[10:22] <ephic> im sayin i typed that
[10:22] <ephic> it didnt work
[10:22] <ephic> wait
[10:22] <ephic> i must have set it
[10:22] <ephic> lol shit, i got it
[10:22] <ephic> thanks
[10:22] <syn-ack> ephic: its not going to work.
[10:22] <ephic> im in root
[10:23] <MrTrick> anybody somewhat confident with tricksy smb.conf problems?
[10:23] <ephic> you can  set a password for root
[10:23] <syn-ack> ephic: I am quite aware of that.
[10:23] <ephic> im just sayin, you can just ignore sudo
[10:24] <syn-ack> its 0224 Im going to bed.
[10:25] <HrdwrBoB> night
[10:25] <MrTrick> argh, stupid non-problem
[10:25] <MrTrick> gnight syn-ack
[10:25] <syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: g'night
[10:25] <syn-ack> MrTrick && *
[10:25] <ephic> any gui c++ compilers come with ubuntu?
[10:26] <MrTrick> hmmm, smb.conf is good now!
[10:26] <MrTrick> but, I can't view the samba shares with the 'Network' button in the gnome menu.
[10:27] <MrTrick> 'network:///' in nautilus shows 'Windows Network', but clicking on that doesn't show any subfolders... any ideas?
[10:28] <MrTrick> there should definitely be some, it works fine on the winbox. (including browsing the samba shares on the ubuntu box)
[10:28] <topyli> MrTrick: ah, your samba adventure continues :)
[10:29] <MrTrick> topyli, indeed.
[10:30] <MrTrick> I can now access the shared drives on this box in a platform independent manner (doesn't matter if booted to Win or Ubuntu)
[10:30] <MrTrick> But...
[10:30] <MrTrick> I can't see anything from the file browser on ubunti
[10:30] <MrTrick> *u
[10:31] <topyli> MrTrick: if you have shares on windows boxen, they should just work if you have smbclient installed
[10:31] <topyli> or there's a permission problem
[10:31] <topyli> or something :)
[10:31] <MrTrick> smbclient... how do I check? (It did work before, I could see both computers)
[10:32] <magicchees1> hello good people
[10:32] <MrTrick> hello magicchees1 (but I'm not necissarily a good person, were you talking to me?)
[10:32] <magicchees1> lets say your good in my eyes till i know better
[10:32] <topyli> MrTrick: smbclient is in a package of its own IIRC. see if it's installed
[10:33] <magicchees1> i need some help actually
[10:34] <magicchees1> im a newb in the linux world and have just installed ubuntu and have a problem with it says gdm config
[10:34] <Serengeti> ave :) for some reason i've installed gtk 2.6 from hoary. can i revert to gtk 2.4 somehow? i know that mixing repos is eeevil. now i know. i promise to sin no more ;)
[10:34] <MrTrick> no, smbclient's there.
[10:35] <MrTrick> maybe misconfigured, then.
[10:35] <topyli> MrTrick: nothing to configure there
[10:36] <magicchees1> anyone want to take me under their wing on this
[10:36] <MrTrick> hmmm.
[10:36] <MrTrick> no idea then
[10:36] <MrTrick> magicchees1, where does it say 'gdm config'?
[10:37] <magicchees1> when i boot right at first after it lists oll the things that have loaded
[10:38] <magicchees1> it says gdm configuration failed and that as a result x server is disabled and to check with xfree86
[10:38] <MrTrick> hmm...
[10:38] <magicchees1> that make sense
[10:39] <topyli> Serengeti: in synaptic IIRC, you can right click a package and choose "force version" if you have both warty and hoary sources. may or may not work.
[10:39] <magicchees1> im using the live cd as this is my only puter'
[10:40] <Serengeti> toplyi thanks i'll see
[10:40] <MrTrick> Sorry magicchees1, I've only been using linux for a short while...
[10:41] <MrTrick> Try searching for 'gdm config' here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search    ?
[10:41] <Serengeti> toplyi it wants to remove all the gtk apps when i try to force version..
[10:42] <topyli> Serengeti: that can happen :)
[10:42] <magicchees1> searching now
[10:42] <topyli> Serengeti: i don't remember the apt command, you may have to do this in the console
[10:42] <Serengeti> toplyi will this make any difference?
[10:43] <topyli> Serengeti: and then reinstall the lost packages
[10:43] <Serengeti> i'll try anyway
[10:43] <topyli> Serengeti: synaptic may fail when you remove it :)
[10:44] <MyKq3> hello
[10:44] <topyli> Serengeti: do you have broadband?
[10:44] <kakalto> g'night all
[10:44] <mvo_> apt-get install pkgname=exact-version can force a specific version in apt. it will very likly complain about bad dependencies
[10:44] <MyKq3> does some here knows when the Ubuntu hoary will b realesed?
[10:44] <Serengeti> toplyi yes
[10:44] <pybe> MyKq3: april
[10:45] <topyli> Serengeti: i'd remove the gtk libs and all that will go with it, then reinstall "ubuntu-desktop" or "gnome" or some other metapackage
[10:45] <MyKq3> ohhh thanks pybe
[10:45] <pisuke> MyKq3, look at the wiki. there's the roadmap to horay
[10:45] <Serengeti> toplyi i gues that's what i'll do
[10:45] <pybe> MyKq3: google for hoary release schedule for more info
[10:46] <MyKq3> pisuke,  Ubuntu WIKI is a mass, i can't find any thingy in there
[10:46] <MyKq3>  i prefer google ;)
[10:46] <HrdwrBoB> MyKq3: wiki is generally better for ubuntu
[10:47] <pisuke> you'll end up in the wiki, anyway
[10:47] <AndyFitz> anyone had luck with xorg and the radeon 9250 ?
[10:47] <HrdwrBoB> AndyFitz: should work ...
[10:47] <Falstius> I set up my X300 with the fglrx drivers last night.  Seems to work.
[10:47] <b_e_n_z> AndyFitz, i have luck with xorg and radeon 9600 and 9800 Pro
[10:48] <MyKq3> pisuke,  yeah but the WIKI organization is a mass
[10:48] <AndyFitz> benz,  cool  when did they update xorg-fglrx
[10:48] <b_e_n_z> AndyFitz, using xorg built-in radeon driver, not fglrx
[10:49] <AndyFitz> benz,  I can't get x to work at all without fglrx
[10:49] <AndyFitz> the ati driver doesnt work for the 9250,   and radeon isnt on the list
[10:49] <daniels> ah, craptastic
[10:49] <b_e_n_z> AndyFitz, what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[10:49] <daniels> try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand and changing 'ati' to 'radeon'
[10:49] <AndyFitz> its all good I can wait .
[10:51] <MyKq3> wow ppl they r really going to make ubuntu some thing ... i think it will b the best distro...
[10:51] <AndyFitz> b_e_n_z,  xorg.0.log says alot of things :)
[10:51] <b_e_n_z> AndyFitz, find the error
[10:51] <AndyFitz> MyKq3,  it already is in my opinion
[10:51] <Falstius> best always depends on what your priorities are
[10:51] <AndyFitz> failed to initialize core devices
[10:52] <AndyFitz> is the error
[10:52] <MyKq3> AndyFitz, :) there still few thingys missing for me , but they r working on it !!!
[10:52] <topyli> MyKq3: reviewing last year, someone had a good comment on their blog: "ubuntu showed how to fix debian" :)
[10:52] <AndyFitz> MyKq3,  I need to help make it more sexy :-P  brisgeek.com/etiquette
[10:53] <Serengeti> toplyi it's so great a joy to break a perfectly stable ubuntu system and then spend lots of time on repairing it... ;)
[10:53] <topyli> Serengeti: i know :)
[10:53] <AndyFitz> I think that most MSCE's suffer from stockholm syndrome
[10:54] <topyli> heh
[10:54] <topyli> AndyFitz: they fell for their captor?
[10:55] <Falstius> I'm still amazed when I see computer professionals using IE
[10:55] <topyli> Falstius: hey, they need beta testers too! :)
[10:56] <AndyFitz> topyli,  yeah in a way they are in love with their captors.  its an un-healthy situation
[10:57] <Serengeti> Falstius maybe they were just doing this Windows Update thing
[10:58] <Serengeti> ;)
[10:58] <Simira> mornin carlos
[10:58] <AndyFitz> well I havent met too many MSCE's who don't promote MS products.   thats how I figure stockholm syndrome
[10:58] <carlos> morning
[10:58] <AndyFitz> hi carlos, sav
[10:59] <Sav> hi
[10:59] <Sav> Where sgould i put "modprobe ndiswrapper" if i want it to load on startup?
[11:00] <AndyFitz> gotta go hunting for some food ( bring on the Australia day left overs )
[11:00] <AndyFitz> I'll be right back
[11:00] <carlos> Sav: just put "ndiswrapper" inside /etc/modules
[11:01] <cam> hey guys just installed a new theme on my hoary ubbie-ubuntu :) um, now half of the gtk2 proggies like synaptic, net-admin come up in the default, ugly gtk2 theme
[11:02] <Agrajag> you mean all the ones that run as root?
[11:02] <Serengeti> cam you need to put it into /usr/share/themes
[11:02] <cam> heh, yeh and thanks
[11:02] <cam> =P
[11:02] <cam> you just pointed me to the problem
[11:03] <cam> jaja
[11:03] <Sav> carlos, ok thnx, now if i want a mount /dev/hdaX on startup? =)
[11:04] <cam> yer thanks Serengeti, works fine now
[11:04] <carlos> Sav: man fstab
[11:05] <Serengeti> speaking of themes, i just fell in love with this one: http://www.gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=19527
[11:06] <Serengeti> but it needs to be compiled
[11:08] <cam> *looks*
[11:08] <cam> i just saw bluecurve :/
[11:08] <Serengeti> it's nicer than bluecurve
[11:08] <cam> its yellow :/
[11:09] <Serengeti> not necessarily :)
[11:10] <ciocanel> Hi guys, what java software do I need tu run jedit ?
[11:10] <MyKq3> gnome feels very good but still it have a long way to do about its look
[11:11] <Serengeti> ciocanel http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[11:11] <MyKq3> for some resone i feel that gonme is colerless
[11:11] <ciocanel> Serengeti: thanks.
[11:11] <cam> *turns of spatial*
[11:11] <PWM> MyKq3, what window manager do you recommend? :)
[11:11] <Serengeti> ciocanel just use Method 0 and be happy :)
[11:12] <ciocanel> Serengeti: ok. I'll try :-)
[11:12] <MyKq3> PWM,  i dont... i guess that the one that u  need
[11:13] <MyKq3> PWM,  i use KDE but i can't say it will work right for ya
[11:13] <PWM> yeah well, the reason I'm asking is that I just started using linux :)
[11:14] <Serengeti> PWM i'd say stick to metacity :)
[11:14] <PWM> and I've tried both KDE, Gnome and Fluxbox... Fluxbox was rather confusing... I could find the "start menu" :)
[11:15] <MyKq3> http://www.gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=15963 PWM try this theme for gonme its very nice ^^
[11:16] <PWM> looks nice indeed :)
[11:18] <cam> milk is the best
[11:18] <cam> ;)
[11:19] <principerobot> I
[11:19] <cam> that too KDE for me
[11:19] <cam> lol
[11:19] <principerobot> can you help me?
[11:19] <cam> just ask
[11:19] <principerobot> I have Ubuntu on my laptop
[11:19] <principerobot> All working fine.
[11:19] <principerobot> but I cannot see my battery status
[11:19] <cam> congrats
[11:20] <cam> have you added the battery status icon?
[11:20] <principerobot> I have done it
[11:20] <Serengeti> cam milk is nice but Ana is nice too ;)
[11:20] <principerobot> but nothing
[11:20] <cam> your laptop is a recent laptop?
[11:20] <principerobot> yas
[11:20] <principerobot> :-)
[11:20] <Serengeti> cam so many nice things :D
[11:20] <cam> you need to enable ACPI
[11:20] <cam> or however its spelt
[11:21] <principerobot> it's already started
[11:21] <principerobot> but nothing
[11:21] <principerobot> :-(
[11:21] <cam> have you configured it in your BIOS?
[11:21] <principerobot> ?
[11:21] <principerobot> ?
[11:21] <principerobot> ?
[11:21] <cam> ?
[11:21] <cam> ;)
[11:22] <cam> someone else might have to help you with this one, but im pretty sure you just need to enable it in your bios
[11:22] <principerobot> I have find nothing about acpi in my bios
[11:22] <cam> hang
[11:22] <cam> i got some info about this
[11:22] <SackeR> What kind of laptop do you have?
[11:22] <cam> can you do something for me?
[11:22] <principerobot> With windows it work
[11:22] <cam> copy  the results from cat /proc/acpi/battery/*
[11:22] <cam> into #flood
[11:23] <principerobot> Acer Aspire 1681WLMi
[11:23] <principerobot> Wait
[11:23] <principerobot> please :-)
[11:23] <cam> by * i mean the files in that folder
[11:23] <cam> sure.. :|
[11:24] <principerobot> It's nothing here.....
[11:24] <principerobot> :-()
[11:24] <cam> nothing in there?
[11:24] <cam> acpi isnt enabled.
[11:24] <principerobot> :-(
[11:24] <cam> you need acpi
[11:25] <principerobot> But the others ACPI stuff are working (example power off)
[11:25] <principerobot> I think that it's already enabled
[11:25] <principerobot> How can I re-enable ACPI
[11:26] <principerobot> Maybe then work it
[11:26] <principerobot> :-(
[11:26] <cam> hrmm i might be wrong
[11:27] <principerobot> ?
[11:27] <cam> just doing a bit of research on the laptop
[11:27] <cam> wont be a sec
[11:28] <principerobot> :-)
[11:29] <cam> according to the laptop support list on the ubuntu website, everything should work out of the box.
[11:30] <MrTrick> How well do medion laptops do at running ubuntu?
[11:30] <principerobot> But it isnn't so....
[11:30] <Sav> Anyone used BlueFish here?
[11:30] <principerobot> All working.........but battery state and suspend not
[11:31] <cam> hang
[11:31] <principerobot> ?
[11:31] <principerobot> what?
[11:32] <cam> ok
[11:33] <ephic> how do i change resolution on desktop?
[11:33] <ephic> would i have to do that through gnome settings?
[11:33] <pybe-lappy> ephic: its under prefs | diplay i think
[11:33] <cam> whats the current resolution?
[11:34] <cam> laptops can only go so high and have a native resolution
[11:34] <ephic> wait uh
[11:34] <ephic> where you seeing that option at?
[11:34] <ephic> preferences
[11:35] <aspro> ephic, system config > resolution
[11:37] <ephic> aspro: thanks
[11:38] <ephic> ok lets see, how can you change the size of the icons?
[11:38] <aspro> desktop icons?
[11:38] <aspro> right click on them and click stretch
[11:39] <ephic> oh lol.
[11:39] <ephic> simple enough eh
[11:39] <ntoll> hi, how do I set up the "server-name" for apache2 in ubuntu. My problem is that when I VPN into my LAN the DNS doesn't find my hostname but can find the ip address. When I click a page on my apache2 server it goes to http://hostname/page.html rather than http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/page.html
[11:39] <Martok> Hey, is anybody awake?
[11:39] <ntoll> I want the server name to be the ip address
[11:39] <ntoll> Martok, yup
[11:40] <Martok> ntoll, I have a question about firestarter.
[11:40] <alterego> wow....ubuntu is linux as it deserves to be! Congrats to all devs present and thanks for the CDs - already given half of them to interested people..
[11:40] <ntoll> Martok, no idea about firestarter
[11:40] <Martok> Thanks.
[11:40] <alterego> Martok: what's the issue with firestarter?
[11:41] <alterego> Martok: I'm using it here BTW
[11:41] <Martok> msg alterego But how do I know it's running?
[11:41] <Martok> Oops
[11:42] <alterego> heh -keep it in channel mate :)
[11:42] <Martok> Oh, it opened another window?
[11:42] <Martok> I've been an on again off again IRC user.
[11:42] <alterego> right click the grey dot or hover the mouse over it
[11:42] <Martok> I forgot alot of the commands, sorry.
[11:43] <Martok> Grey dot?
[11:43] <alterego> alterego: if it's running there's a dot in the panel
[11:43] <Martok> It's usually a blue dot, but it's not here.
[11:43] <alterego> you have to start it as root - sudo firestarter from the command line
[11:43] <Martok> init says it starts at boot time, but I guess it doesn't really start.
[11:44] <alterego> no it doesn't by default
[11:44] <Martok> Hmm...
[11:44] <alterego> Martok: you could make it so
[11:44] <Martok> How do I make it really start at boot time?
[11:44] <alterego> are you always network connected?
[11:44] <Martok> Yeah.
[11:45] <alterego> well, try editing /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh and adding the line ` sudo firestarter -s`
[11:45] <Martok> Ok! Thanks.
[11:46] <alterego> that will start it, but without the gui
[11:46] <alterego> when you are in gnome, if you need the gui start it as I said above
[11:46] <Martok> Will the dot be in the pannel?
[11:47] <alterego> not unless you start the gui, but once you have it, save your session when you log out
[11:47] <magicchees1> question
[11:47] <cam> anyone know how i can display where apt has installed components?
[11:47] <magicchees1> what does on shell mean
[11:47] <cam> for instance need to find one file that i just installed :/
[11:47] <cam> lol
[11:47] <Martok> Ok, thanks.
[11:48] <alterego> Martok: actually saving your gnome session on logout is all you really need to do
[11:48] <magicchees1> is that the black screen with the text
[11:48] <alterego> the init.d isn't necessary
[11:48] <Martok> Ok, yeah, I was about to suggest that.
[11:48] <mz2> is there a gui of some kind for changing the refresh rate of the monitor?
[11:48] <alterego> Martok: unless you like to irc from console or similar
[11:49] <MrTrick> where's the best place to stick my executeables? (Got a standalone executeable for linux)
[11:49] <Martok> I'll probably do that on another machine.
[11:49] <Serengeti> mz2 computer->system settings->screen resolution
[11:49] <mz2> Serengeti, that must be in hoary?
[11:50] <Serengeti> mz2 no, warty
[11:50] <alterego> mz2: nope - I have warty here
[11:50] <mz2> Serengeti, hmm, which package provides that? i don't seem to have it installed
[11:50] <mz2> Serengeti, oh right, you meant desktop preferences
[11:50] <mz2> and screen resolution from there
[11:50] <topyli> ephic: from the menu: computer -> system configuration -> screen resolution
[11:50] <magicchees1> i was needing to use some instructions and was wondering what this meant
[11:51] <Serengeti> mz2 i have it in system configuration
[11:51] <magicchees1>   Try on shell, entering with your login password created on installation steps,
[11:51] <magicchees1>
[11:51] <magicchees1>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:51] <magicchees1>
[11:51] <magicchees1>  Choose vesa driver, i always works, then choose the correct driver for your graphics card
[11:51] <spiral> hi
[11:51] <alterego> so do I ...
[11:51] <mz2> Serengeti, interesting, i've got it in the desktop one :)
[11:51] <Serengeti> mz2 :)
[11:51] <MrTrick> where do executeables go?
[11:52] <alterego> MrTrick: it depends - type `which <executable> to see
[11:52] <alterego> mostly /usr/bin
[11:52] <principerobo1> I'm back
[11:52] <MrTrick> Uh, I'm trying to get Folding@ home running on this thing
[11:52] <cam> any luck?
[11:53] <principerobo1> my problem with the battery status don't work
[11:53] <principerobo1> :-(
[11:53] <cam> um
[11:53] <cam> do another dmesg | grep acpi
[11:53] <magicchees1> where is the shell is that the black screen with the text at the beginning
[11:53] <alterego> MrTrick: did you read the readme file or try --help or the man page?
[11:53] <MrTrick> heh, not just yet... dl'd the .exe, wondering where best to stick it.
[11:54] <alterego> uh..linux has no .exe
[11:54] <alterego> ?
[11:54] <topyli> MrTrick: exe? you have a windows binary
[11:55] <magicchees1> can someone give me a hand
[11:55] <MrTrick> topyli: No, it's a linux executeable
[11:55] <Martok> Does anybody know what the firestarter process is?
[11:55] <MrTrick> Don't know why they stuck an extension on it..
[11:55] <Serengeti> maybe it's mono?
[11:55] <stvn> alterego: linux does have .exe, like certain mono apps ;)
[11:55] <MrTrick> mono?
[11:56] <Serengeti> like .net for linux
[11:56] <topyli> MrTrick: if it's a single executable, you can put it anywhere. ~/bin or /usr/local/bin maybe
[11:56] <stvn> Martok: firewall
[11:56] <topyli> stvn: oh yeah, tomboy.exe
[11:56] <alterego> stvn: yeah, OK - or apps run with wine ;)
[11:56] <Martok> I don't see firewall in ps -auxww
[11:56] <stvn> Martok: application>>system tools>>firestarter
[11:56] <Martok> It says its running but I don't see the process.
[11:57] <MrTrick> okay, it works now...
[11:57] <topyli> Martok: i don't think firestarter runs all the time, it just sets up iptables and that's all
[11:57] <MrTrick> how do I get it to run as a service? (ie in the background, rather than using a terminal)
[11:57] <Martok> Oh... ok.
[11:57] <alterego> Martok: ps aux | grep firestarter
[11:57] <Martok> Thanks
[11:58] <Martok> Wow, that's weird.
[11:58] <Serengeti> magicchees1, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system_shell
[11:58] <alterego> it's /usr/bin/firestarter unless you compiled it :)
[11:58] <topyli> MrTrick: put a script in /etc/init.d
[11:58] <Martok> The only process that it found was grep firestarter lol.
[11:59] <MrTrick> topyli: that contains what? I've no idea about scripting...
[11:59] <alterego> Martok: then it isn't running ;)
[11:59] <Martok> Does firestarter run all the time?
[11:59] <topyli> MrTrick: look at the other scripts and copy :)
[11:59] <Martok> When I uninstalled it, it had to stop it.
[12:00] <alterego> Martok: no, you have to tell it to run
[12:00] <topyli> MrTrick: i just use webmin :)
[12:00] <magicchees1> thanks serengeti
[12:00] <Martok> And when I reinstalled it, it said it started it.
[12:00] <Martok> Ok, I'll try that.
[12:00] <alterego> actually I lied, it's /usr/sbin/firestarter here
[12:00] <MrTrick> will check it out
[12:00] <topyli> Martok: that's what it says. when it "starts" it sets the firewall rules and exits. when it "stops" it unsets the tables and exits again.
[12:01] <Martok> Ok.
[12:01] <Martok> WTF, now I can't even run it.
[12:02] <alterego> Martok: here it wants a root password to start from gui - so your password won't do it
[12:02] <MrTrick> topyli, if it's running as a service, would it be more appropriate to place it in /etc ?
[12:02] <Martok> I got it.
[12:02] <Martok> Due to my own mistake.
[12:02] <alterego> Martok: that's why it's easier to start it from cli with sudo
[12:02] <Martok> Yeah.
[12:02] <Martok> I had the command wrong in the launcher.
[12:03] <alterego> ah
[12:03] <Martok> <- Linux newbie.
[12:03] <topyli> MrTrick: no, binaries to some bin directory, conf files to /etc
[12:03] <Martok> Sorta.
[12:03] <alterego> Martok: hey, we are all newbies in some ways :)
[12:03] <Martok> Yeah, that's what I say.
[12:04] <Martok> BRB
[12:04] <alterego> Martok: I just managed to get real player towork on ppc Ubuntu - a learning experience
[12:04] <alterego> !
[12:04] <TreadingSoftly> Hi folks. The Samba channel seems quiet. I'm having trouble writing to my samba shares on Linux host DRAGON from when logged in as terry from another Linux host (files open as read only). I've posted my testparm results on DRAGON into a pastebin: http://www.pastebin.com/234084 Can anyone see what I've done wrong? Both hosts are running Ubuntu Warty (with updates).
[12:05] <mz2> hmm, how'd i make ubuntu understand that i've connected another monitor to my laptop and that this new screen can actually handle a better refresh rate than that Screen Resolution dialog suggest
[12:05] <mz2> without meddling with modelines myself
[12:05] <alterego> helix player wouldn't work... so I gave in to the dark eula to be able to listen to BBC 3 :(
[12:06] <mz2> because it only gives me 61 Hz rate as a choice in 1600x... (and it can do better)
[12:07] <alterego> mz2: if you do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it should ask you for refresh rates
[12:08] <alterego> mz2: it isn't too scary - and you can go back by repeating it
[12:09] <crispin> hmm, does anyone know what package python-gtkhtml is in in hoary ? Straw seems to be missing a dependancy on it :-(
[12:11] <alterego> crispin: are you using apt ?
[12:12] <alterego> or synaptic, I guess (same thing really)
[12:12] <mz2> alterego, cool
[12:12] <alterego> mz2: worked?
[12:12] <mz2> alterego, well, sort of... well enough :)
[12:12] <crispin> alterego: well, aptitude, but it's all the same thing
[12:13] <alterego> ah, well at least an improvement then :)
[12:13] <alterego> crispin: yeah ;)
[12:14] <mz2> have to say, ubuntu just keeps impressing me more and more. installed it onto a friend's laptop and surprisingly the centrino wlan just magically worked (and that's a first for me!)
[12:14] <alterego> crispin: didyou try --fix-missing or -f ?
[12:14] <alterego> mz2: yes, I'm totally impressed too
[12:14] <MrTrick> So, if I want to start an executeable (in the background, standard output either ignored or redirected to a file) how would the .sh file that does it look? (I know NOTHING about shell scripts)
[12:14] <jdub> mz2: our official project name for that is "totally rad laptop support"
[12:14] <crispin> alterego: thats the thing, aptitude shows all dependancies nice and happy, no missing packages or anything, but I can't see which package python-gtkhtml is in
[12:15] <alterego> jdub: ah - congratulations on your work - I'm so pleased with this distro (Debianista here)
[12:15] <mz2> although on my own it didn't :) but that's simply because i needed ndiswrapper for that specific card to work
[12:16] <mz2> jdub, you really seem to be doing something right :)
[12:16] <jdub> alterego: lots of interest in ubuntu here in .au :)
[12:16] <jdub> mz2: rock!
[12:16] <Hwolf> crispin, just do a search for gtkhtml
[12:16] <njan> ipw2200 works just fine in my centrino laptop. <3 ubuntu
[12:16] <alterego> jdub: I just gave out half my free CDs today - I even had a cafe owner who was sick of MS
[12:16] <jdub> heh, rad
[12:17] <jdub> where are you?
[12:17] <alterego> jdub: good on ya ;) !!
[12:17] <alterego> jdub: wollongong
[12:17] <jdub> oh right
[12:17] <jdub> cool
[12:17] <alterego> you in Sydney?
[12:17] <jdub> yeah
[12:17] <jdub> quite a few gong people on the SLUG lists
[12:17] <alterego> you're in SLUG right?
[12:17] <crispin> nope, no luck search for gtkhtml, "apt-cache search gtkhtml" shows just the C libraries, nothing about python
[12:17] <jdub> yeah
[12:18] <MrTrick> Yeah, hooray for Aussies. :-) (Oi Oi Oi)
[12:18] <alterego> ah - slow typing here - I'm on an iBook here: how do I do ctrl-alt-F2 etc on this thing ??
[12:18] <jdub> ctrl-alt-fn-f2
[12:19] <jdub> MrTrick: slug is on tomorrow night :)
[12:19] <alterego> and to get bback to F7?
[12:19] <MrTrick> slug?
[12:19] <jdub> ctrl-alt-fn-f7
[12:19] <jdub> MrTrick: sydney linux users group -> www.slug.org.au
[12:19] <MrTrick> how do I create a new file in the terminal?
[12:19] <alterego> jdub: hmm- doesn't work here :(
[12:20] <alterego> jdub: I'm wasting 5 consoles ! :D
[12:20] <MrTrick> jdub: Cool, I'm actually a student there (still, I know)
[12:21] <jdub> MrTrick: UTS?
[12:21] <MrTrick> how do I create a new file from cli? no idea...
[12:21] <ubuntu> im backive got more info as to whats wrong
[12:21] <jdub> MrTrick: what kind of file
[12:21] <jdub> ?
[12:21] <alterego> MrTrick: touch filename
[12:21] <MrTrick> jdub: Yep! I'm about 3 subjects from graduation
[12:21] <MrTrick> thanks alterego
[12:21] <ephic> what would be the command to copy a folder to a different directory
[12:21] <jdub> MrTrick: heh, you should come :)
[12:21] <ephic> like the java folder on my desktop says i cant move it unless im root.
[12:21] <jdub> ephic: cp -r <folder> <folder>
[12:21] <ephic> ah thank you!
[12:22] <ubuntu> it says that x server is not set up or configured
[12:22] <alterego> ephic: sudo cp -r <folder> <folder> then
[12:23] <ephic> oh i know
[12:23] <alterego> and type your user pass
[12:23] <ephic> i was in root
[12:23] <alterego> k
[12:23] <ubuntu> how do you change your username
[12:23] <MrTrick> jdub, sorry, busy tmw night
[12:24] <jdub> heh
[12:24] <alterego> ubuntu: tricky unless you don't mind losing you home directory ;)
[12:25] <ephic> naw just set up another user
[12:25] <ubuntu> i screwed up i was originally magiccheese earlier
[12:25] <ephic> lol.
[12:25] <alterego> ubuntu: you can create a new user and copystuff over
[12:26] <ubuntu> nevermind i dont guess its that big a deal
[12:26] <ubuntu> do you mind giving me a hand for a sec
[12:26] <MrTrick> hmmm, how does init.d work? It just runs ./$script start for everything in the folder?
[12:26] <alterego> although that involves some interesting chmod and chown stuff..
[12:26] <ephic> is there any way i can drag and drop files into directories? rather than copy and paste through terminal?
[12:27] <alterego> ephic: sure, if you have the right permissions
[12:27] <ephic> chmod +x each file i want to drag and drop?
[12:27] <alterego> no
[12:27] <ephic> thank god
[12:27] <ephic> wait
[12:27] <ephic> i think i set my root password
[12:27] <alterego> that makes them executable
[12:27] <ephic> try to log in
[12:27] <ephic> er wait
[12:27] <ephic> what about chmod +a?
[12:27] <alterego> ephic: don't log in as root
[12:28] <alterego> ever
[12:28] <ephic> ? why not
[12:28] <alterego> especially don't run gnome as root
[12:28] <vihis> hi
[12:28] <alterego> 1 security 2 you can easily stuff up
[12:29] <ubuntu> when i start ubuntu it loads all the way to opening gnome and it gives me the message cannot start x server its not configured right
[12:29] <ephic> oh
[12:29] <vihis> why should i choose ubuntu-linux instead of ie. gentoo or debian?
[12:29] <ephic> how would i give read/write access to myself through root in terminal?
[12:29] <alterego> ephic: I think gdm forbids root login by default anyway
[12:29] <ephic> it does.
[12:29] <ephic> lol.
[12:30] <ephic> anyhow gentoo's handbook is 160 pages..
[12:30] <ephic> a pain in the ass
[12:30] <ephic> and as for debian
[12:30] <ephic> this distro is based on debian
[12:30] <ubuntu> so i ran the command sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree88 and it said xserver and xfree88 not installed
[12:30] <ephic> so you get the best of both worlds
[12:30] <alterego> ephic: you *can* run nautilus with sudo, but be *very* careful if you do..
[12:30] <ephic> ah i see
[12:31] <ephic> that let me give file permissions?
[12:31] <alterego> one false move and you can destroy the whole system
[12:32] <ephic> ah ok done deal
[12:32] <ephic> ;D
[12:32] <ephic> <3 nautilus
[12:32] <ephic> k
[12:32] <ephic> all i did was drag and drop, and close
[12:33] <ubuntu> can you give me a hand alterego
[12:33] <alterego> ubuntu: just ask - if someone can help they will :)
[12:33] <Martok> alterego: I couldn't get my firestarter "problem" fixed.
[12:33] <alterego> Martok: :(
[12:33] <Martok> I guess I'll just manually run it everytime I boot up.
[12:33] <Martok> Haha.
[12:33] <ubuntu> i already stated the problem
[12:34] <alterego> Martok: or write a little script...
[12:34] <Martok> Yeah, one day probably.
[12:34] <cam> hrmm why do people use xmms when theres beep-media-player! =P
[12:34] <Martok> What's beep-media-player?
[12:34] <alterego> ubuntu: sorry I forgot - what was it again?
[12:34] <ubuntu> when i start ubuntu it loads all the way to opening gnome and it gives me the message cannot start x server its not configured right
[12:35] <ubuntu> so i ran the command sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree88 and it said xserver and xfree88 not installed
[12:35] <scoon> Martok, beep-media-player is like xmms except that it uses gtk2 for GUI instead of gtk
[12:35] <alterego> ubuntu: hmm... the usual solution is to run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
[12:35] <Martok> Hmm...
[12:35] <Martok> I dunno the difference.
[12:36] <alterego> ubuntu: it asks you questions about your hardware, refresh rates etc..
[12:36] <ubuntu> thats what i got in the forum and i ran it
[12:36] <alterego> and?
[12:36] <scoon> Martok, the gnome you use is gtk2.  it is more polished.
[12:36] <scoon> Martok, you could always got the both players sites and check them out for yourself.
[12:36] <ubuntu> it said xserver and xfree88 not installed
[12:37] <Martok> Yeah, that's what I'm doing.
[12:37] <Martok> I currently use XMMS.
[12:37] <alterego> scoon: will it do digital output of CDs? I have a laptop iBook that needs that..
[12:37] <alterego> ubuntu: umm..warty?
[12:37] <scoon> Martok, dunno.  I am on x86 and do not have digital output for my cd
[12:38] <alterego> it's xserver-xfree86
[12:38] <scoon> Martok, scratch that and redirect to alterego.
[12:38] <cam> beep-media-player is a fork of xmms, ported to gtk2
[12:38] <ubuntu> yeah just installed it tonight
[12:38] <alterego> ubuntu: typo?
[12:38] <cam> try it, its on hoary repos if ur using hoary
[12:39] <Martok> Wow, beep-media-player looks cool.
[12:39] <Ribs> it's only xmms in gtk2
[12:39] <Martok> Really good looking.
[12:39] <alterego> cam: it's in warty too - maybe in universe
[12:40] <scoon> it works well also.
[12:40] <scoon> i used xmms for years
[12:40] <scoon> and then heard chatter about beep.
[12:40] <ubuntu> ok so i misspelled it then its 86 instead of 88
[12:40] <alterego> apt-cache policy says it's in Universe
[12:40] <scoon> i have been using it for a few months now with no problems.
[12:40] <TreadingSoftly> Does anyone here use Samba much?
[12:41] <odyssey> TreadingSoftly, yes alot
[12:41] <alterego> ubuntu: yup, I suspect so - the hyphen is important too, of course :0
[12:42] <alterego> ubuntu:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:42] <mgedmin> python2.3 -c 'import gtk' tells me
[12:42] <mgedmin> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_gtk.so: undefined symbol: gtk_cell_view_set_value
[12:42] <ubuntu> so its "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:42] <ubuntu> or do i start with dpkg
[12:43] <alterego> ubuntu: correct. without the quotes, obviously ;)
[12:43] <alterego> no dpkg-reconfigure is the command
[12:44] <ubuntu> ok im gonna try it thanks for your help
[12:44] <alterego> xserver-xfree86 is the argument (the package name)
[12:44] <alterego> ubuntu: good hunting !
[12:44] <ubuntu> so sudo is not needed
[12:44] <alterego> ubuntu: yes, unles you are root
[12:44] <ubuntu> youve been a great help
[12:45] <alterego> ubuntu: all package management requires root privilege
[12:45] <alterego> thanks
[12:45] <alterego> I'm always learning too :)
[12:45] <ubuntu> for a newly converted xp user its easy to get in over your head
[12:46] <marcin> hi - a question - I have winXP on hda1 and I'm installing ubuntu on hda2 - where should I put grub? boot? or mbr?
[12:46] <alterego> ubuntu: yes indeed - there's a lifetime of knowledge to learn in any *nix ;)
[12:46] <ozan> hi, i want to choose alsa as default instead of oss. how can i do it?
[12:46] <jdub> ozan: ubuntu uses alsa almost forcefully by default.
[12:46] <alterego> ozan: it should *be* the default with ubuntu AFAIK
[12:46] <jdub> it just uses the oss emu layer to talk to it
[12:47] <jdub> because using alsalibs directly is not great just yet
[12:47] <alterego> jdub: aha !
[12:47] <alterego> I see
[12:47] <alterego> hence the appearance of oss in unexpected places...
[12:47] <ozan> i can't hear startup sounds but when i open xmms with alsa i can listen mp3s. there is a problem but where
[12:49] <alterego> marcin: mbr for dual boot
[12:50] <ozan> after i have bought a new mother board : p4p800-x , this problem occured. it has onboard audio device but closed from the bios... before that motherboard sounds were fine...
[12:50] <marcin> alterego: hmm so tell me why when I did this I got "operating system not found" ?
[12:51] <marcin> thoreauputic: hmm so tell me why when I did this I got "operating system not found" ?
[12:51] <thoreauputic> marcin: try setting bios to defaults - that happened to me once
[12:51] <thoreauputic> marcin: the above fixed it
[12:52] <marcin> thoreauputic: hmmm fixed what?
[12:52] <thoreauputic> marcin: that's awindows message
[12:52] <marcin> thoreauputic: your ntloader or something?
[12:52] <thoreauputic> marcin: "operating system not found"
[12:52] <marcin> thoreauputic: in fact I'm trying to recover data from my partitions
[12:52] <thoreauputic> marcin: ah - do you have a live CD?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> if so you can boot fromit and copy files over a network
[12:54] <thoreauputic> knoppix/gnoppix/ubuntu live ...
[12:54] <marcin> thoreauputic: I had 4 partitions - hda1 for windows - ntfs, hda2 for linux, hda3 for swap and hda5 (on hda4) for data - fat32
[12:54] <crispin> seb128: btw, I found my problem with the kernel from yesterday, it was due to my sid -> hoary upgrade, and the mkinitrd didn't pick up the sata_via module it needed, having manually added that to /etc/mkinitd/modules it all works now, and once I am in an ubuntu kernel, I can remove it from that file
[12:54] <seb128> crispin: ok
[12:54] <marcin> thoreauputic: and after installing ubuntu I had "operating system not found"
[12:54] <seb128> nice to know that's fixed :)
[12:55] <marcin> thoreauputic: so, I reinstalled XP on first partitoin
[12:55] <crispin> seb128: yeah, also nice to know that it's not ubuntu's fault, but me doing a totally unsupported operation :-)
[12:55] <marcin> thoreauputic: but windows said that my hda5 with data is not formatted
[12:55] <thoreauputic> marcin: after installing linux?
[12:55] <seb128> crispin: yep :)
[12:55] <marcin> thoreauputic: so, now I'm trying to recover data with "get data back for fat" software
[12:56] <thoreauputic> marcin: if you reinstalled XP after linux, it probably stuffed your mbr at least
[12:56] <marcin> thoreauputic: and now I have working XP and free space on second partition
[12:56] <marcin> thoreauputic: so, now when I'll finish data recovery
[12:56] <marcin> thoreauputic: I'm going to install ubuntu again
[12:56] <thoreauputic> marcin: hmm.. I don't know much windows, sorry - totally linux now
[12:56] <marcin> thoreauputic: but I really don't want these fu*** problems again
[12:57] <marcin> thoreauputic: yeah... I don't use windows too - but I'm installing this system on my customer's notebook
[12:57] <marcin> thoreauputic: and now I almost destroyed his data...
[12:58] <thoreauputic> marcin: usual order 1) defrag windows 2) resize ntfs part 3) install linux on free space 4)put bootloader on mbr (I guess you know this...)
[12:58] <hikaru79> I've finally succesfully set up a pure-ftpd server, and it works fine. I can log in and all; but how can I make it so that one system user has permissions EVERYWHERE (can upload to /var/www/, for example) without like, CHMODding +777 to everything? How can I give just ONE user permission to everything?
[12:58] <marcin> thoreauputic: yes I know... and have no idea why I had this "no operating system found" bug...
[12:59] <thoreauputic> I can only reiterate that the machine may have a"protected" bios or something similar
[01:00] <thoreauputic> hence the reset suggestion
[01:00] <scizzo_> hikaru79: start learnin about groups...
[01:00] <hikaru79> scizzo_, so it's got something to do with the user groups? =) Thanks
[01:00] <hikaru79> I'll look into that
[01:00] <scizzo_> hikaru79: if you change the group of the /var/www stuff....you can set the permissions on the group
[01:01] <scizzo_> hikaru79: add the users to the group that you want to be able to write or do whatever...
[01:01] <thoreauputic> have to go - happy ubuntu to all :)
[01:03] <hikaru79> scizzo_, got it =) Works now
[01:05] <scizzo> ;)
[01:13] <gatolas> apparently I'm having problems with my connection. Is google up for all of you?
[01:14] <Nermal> yeees
[01:14] <Nermal> google is always up
[01:15] <odyssey> hmmm
[01:15] <odyssey> i just broke gnome volume control barstard of a thing it is
[01:16] <jdub> keep it nice please
[01:18] <gatolas> Nermal: thanks. my ISP is crapping out on me then
[01:19] <gatolas> I'm trying to find a driver for a cd drive KONEX NX-0102A and my search page only shows me 7 hits
[01:21] <SackeR> My panel has died :-(
[01:21] <SackeR> Says a panel is already running and I will now exit when i try to run another one
[01:22] <sladen_> SackeR: pkill -u $USER
[01:22] <ephic> anyone know how to quickly install gtk+?
[01:22] <gatolas> SackeR: kill it
[01:22] <gatolas> ephic: synaptic
[01:22] <ephic> im in synaptic
[01:22] <sladen_> ephic: everything you see in GNOME is being drawn with GTK+ !
[01:22] <ephic> then why wont gcc find the gtk+ headers?
[01:23] <ephic> when i try to compile code
[01:23] <sladen> ephic: ah, you mean the /development/ packages
[01:23] <ephic> mhm
[01:23] <sladen> ephic: what are you trying to build?
[01:23] <ephic> just applications im making
[01:23] <ephic> my code
[01:24] <sladen> ephic:  apt-cache search gtk-dev
[01:24] <ephic> ah ok thanks
[01:24] <vihis> hmm!
[01:24] <vihis> im burning ubuntu-installation image. any tips for install process? :)
[01:24] <Ribs> yes, put the disc in the drive and restart your computer
[01:25] <sladen> vihis: insert the CD into the drive and follow the instructions :)
[01:25] <vihis> mmkay :)
[01:25] <hikaru79> Will fish ONLY work with KDE? No Gnome implementation yet?
[01:25] <sladen> hikaru79: perhaps you can tell us what 'fish' is
[01:26] <SackeR> Woot I have my panel back :-)
[01:26] <Ribs> KDE programs should work in Gnome, given the right dependancies are avalible to it
[01:26] <jdub> hikaru79: gnome has had ssh/sftp support for ages.
[01:26] <Ribs> they will look crap, but should work
[01:26] <ephic> This is the development component of AiksaurusGTK, needed to develop
[01:26] <ephic> applications with AiksaurusGTK.
[01:26] <ephic> that what i need?
[01:27] <ephic> oh wait
[01:27] <ephic> nevermind
[01:27] <ephic> im gettin it ;D
[01:27] <kbrooks> grrrr
[01:28] <kbrooks> i got dc (in the morning)
[01:28] <kbrooks> a refresh worked
[01:28] <kbrooks> unplug and plug
[01:28] <kbrooks> :P
[01:37] <Monkiki> Someone using his PocketPC with Ubuntu?
[01:38] <kbrooks> Monkiki, and your question is?
[01:38] <Monkiki> Sorry, can you install CABs and synchronize with Evolution?
[01:42] <RU63> hello, what is the best kernel for centrino?
[01:42] <jdub> the one that comes with ubuntu :)
[01:43] <RU63> but wich image?
[01:43] <RU63> i363?
[01:43] <jdub> linux-686
[01:43] <jdub> install that package
[01:43] <RU63> ok
[01:43] <RU63> cools
[01:44] <crispin> jdub: any idea about my straw problems (it can't find the gtkhtml python library) ?
[01:44] <dufashanye> Hello I need some help fixing an error I inducted folling arround with gnome terminal
[01:45] <dufashanye> how do i set things back, my icons all broken
[01:45] <seb128> crispin: have you installed python-gnome2-extras ?
[01:45] <dufashanye> alessio parli italiano_
[01:46] <crispin> seb128: ahh, that would be a 'no', thanks :-) (but should that be a dependancy then ?)
[01:46] <seb128> crispin: correct
[01:46] <dufashanye> help...SOS
[01:47] <seb128> crispin: straw's bug (python-gnome has been splitted during the 2.9 time and it may break some depends in this way)
[01:47] <crispin> ahh, excellent, my ubuntu desktop is now working perfectly, thanks very much seb128 :-)
[01:47] <dufashanye> i need to re set my ubuntu desktop
[01:48] <crispin> and I have have proved that you can go from sid -> hoary with only a few problems :-)
[01:48] <dufashanye> i messed with the gnome terminal
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> seb128: split is the past tense of split fyi :)
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> dufashanye: what do you mean messed with
[01:49] <seb128> crispin: np :)
[01:49] <dufashanye> I don-t know I-m totally new to unix world man
[01:49] <seb128> HrdwrBoB: ok, thanks, sorry for my bad english :)
[01:50] <dufashanye> is there a  way to se tihings back_
[01:50] <dufashanye> set things back
[01:50] <seb128> what have you changed ?
[01:50] <dufashanye> nothing it didn-t gave me access, but no my icons are whit with a red cross on it
[01:51] <ephic> why when i type gcc main.cpp -o main...
[01:51] <ephic> it says cant find gtk/gtk+.h
[01:51] <seb128> dufashanye: is gnome-settings-daemon running ?
[01:51] <ephic> obviously i have gtk on default right?
[01:51] <ephic> and im trying to compile my c++ program..
[01:51] <RubenV> did you install the -dev packages?
[01:51] <ephic> ya
[01:51] <ephic> the gtk-dev
[01:52] <RubenV> and for gtk, the gtkmm pkgs
[01:52] <RubenV> C++ uses gtkmm
[01:52] <seb128> ephic: because you need to add the `pkg-config --cflags --libs ....
[01:52] <ephic> gtkmm OO
[01:52] <MyKq3> http://img194.exs.cx/img194/7481/untitled6hn.jpg
[01:52] <ephic> what do you mean?
[01:52] <MyKq3> does any one here knows if hoary will have OO2 ?
[01:52] <dufashanye> think ill go back to winxp
[01:52] <RubenV> AFAIK, C++ uses a pkg called gtkmm
[01:52] <dufashanye> see yall
[01:52] <RubenV> similar to pygtk for python
[01:52] <ephic> winxp?
[01:53] <jdub> MyKq3: OOo2 is already in universe.
[01:53] <RubenV> you need that if you want to use gtk together with C++
[01:53] <ephic> ah damn.
[01:53] <MyKq3> really? jdub
[01:53] <ephic> thats a pain lol.
[01:53] <ephic> i think i`ll just compile in winxp with devc++ and the gtk libraries, and port over to linux ;D
[01:53] <MyKq3> but i thought that OOo2 have not got out yet ...
[01:53] <ephic> wait can i do that?
[01:53] <jdub> MyKq3: pre-releases.
[01:54] <RubenV> gtkmm can be found in synaptic
[01:54] <MyKq3> jdub,  thanks for the imformation...
[01:54] <RubenV> it's in main i think
[01:54] <ephic> ya but still..
[01:54] <ephic> my gtk-dev library isnt working
[01:54] <ephic> ;/
[01:54] <ephic> says it cant find gtk.h
[01:54] <RubenV> that's because you're compiling C++
[01:54] <ephic> so if i wasnt compiling c++..
[01:54] <ephic> it would find it?
[01:55] <RubenV> #include <gtk/gtk.h>
[01:55] <ephic> ya
[01:55] <RubenV> doesn't work?
[01:55] <ephic> should i just write in c?
[01:55] <vihis> mmm. ubuntu is now installed <3
[01:55] <RubenV> depends what language you prefer
[01:55] <ephic> ya #include <gtk/gtk.h> when i compile a .cpp it says the headers arent found
[01:56] <ephic> the only new thing in c++ are classes right?
[01:56] <seb128> ephic: because you need to add the `pkg-config --cflags --libs .... (second time)
[01:56] <ephic> i know i asked you how to do that
[01:56] <ephic> thats what it told me
[01:56] <seb128> ephic: you need to add the -L and -I option so it finds the headers/libs
[01:56] <ephic> ahhh i see
[01:56] <jdub> ephic: go to www.gtkmm.org and read the docs there
[01:56] <RubenV> ephic: it's a bit more, it's a different language actually, but the biggest thing is idd OO
[01:56] <seb128> pkg-config --cflags --libs does that for you
[01:56] <RubenV> but if you're using C++, you'll need gtkmm
[01:56] <ephic> ohhh ok
[01:57] <ephic> ok i`ll do that and get gtkmm
[01:57] <jdub> (RubenV: not strictly, but it makes using gtk in C++ nicer.)
[01:57] <RubenV> jdub: using plain gtk would kinde leave out the advantages of C++ eh ;)
[01:57] <ephic> says must specify package names on the command line
[01:57] <jdub> RubenV: not entirely
[01:58] <jdub> RubenV: cf. gnomemeeting
[01:58] <RubenV> i'd better shut up :)
[01:58] <jdub> ephic: this is really not the right place to learn how to use gtkmm
[01:58] <ephic> im not learning how to use gtkmm..
[01:58] <jdub> ephic: go to www.gtkmm.org, there's documentation, mailing list and irc links there
[01:58] <ephic> im not trying to learn..
[01:58] <ephic> what are you talking about
[01:59] <ephic> im trying to set up my gtk dir
[01:59] <ephic> so gcc picks up my headers
[01:59] <jdub> well, if you're having trouble with pkg-config, you're best off reading other docs there
[01:59] <RubenV> add the pkg config stuff to your command line
[01:59] <RubenV> as said :)
[01:59] <ephic> i typed  pkg-config --cflags --libs
[02:00] <null> heya jdub
[02:00] <RubenV> http://gtk.org/tutorial/sec-compiling.html
[02:02] <_santiago_> hi
[02:02] <_santiago_> I've just installed ubuntu in my Dell Inspiron 700m
[02:02] <elyseum> congratulations
[02:03] <null> 700m, hmm nice machine :-)
[02:03] <null> i was about to buy it, but too xpensive
[02:03] <_santiago_> thanks, It has a intel 82852 video card, It supports 1280x800 but I can't config it
[02:03] <nevyn> I was on the tram today and observed a random guy running ubuntu on a ibook
[02:03] <vihis> :o
[02:04] <_santiago_> :O
[02:04] <vihis> who runs linux on ibook?!
[02:04] <nevyn> umm lots of people.. aj, most of ibm's ppc lab staff...
[02:04] <nevyn> rusty.
[02:04] <vihis> :\
[02:05] <sivang> does anybody know the name of the proggy that lets you use one monitor mouse and kbd, and control 2 machines over a LAN?
[02:05] <nevyn> lots of them.
[02:05] <nevyn> both machines ubuntu?
[02:06] <vihis> err. what is root's password @ just installed system? :D
[02:06] <sivang> one debian, one ubuntu
[02:06] <sivang> vihis: none :)
[02:06] <SackeR> Sudo :-P
[02:06] <sladen> nevyn: the half of the development team that don't have thinkpads!
[02:06] <sivang> vihis: sudo passwd root, if you want to enable the root account but I'd advice against it.
[02:06] <sladen> vihis: sudo apt-get install ...
[02:06] <mgedmin> nevyn, x2x or x2vnc
[02:06] <sladen> vihis: and enter your own passwd
[02:06] <sivang> sladen: hey
[02:06] <mgedmin> oops, that was meant for sivang
[02:06] <nevyn> :)
[02:07] <sivang> mgedmin: any of the you would recommend best?
[02:07] <nevyn> sladen: umm the thinkpads are just for urrunning note's under wine I thought... ;)
[02:07] <vihis> ah! :)
[02:07] <_santiago_> I get this in the XFree86.0.log: (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1280x800" (no mode of this name)
[02:07] <_santiago_> (--) I810(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024)
[02:07] <sladen> _santiago_: do you have a wide screen laptop?
[02:08] <mgedmin> sivang, if both machines run X, use x2x, otherwise use x2vnc
[02:08] <Lathiat> yeh the 700m is widescreen
[02:08] <null> _santiago_: look at http://tuxtops.com and click notebooks and select dell and 700m, ull find all the details there
[02:08] <null> i think tuxtops.org,
[02:08] <sivang> mgedmin: both running X , ubuntu xorg, and the other xfree :)
[02:08] <sladen> daniels: ping  1280x800 non auto-detection magic
[02:09] <sivang> sladen: egh, also non 1024x768 100Hz autodetection magic on my flatron :)
[02:09] <sladen> sivang: what does dccprove give?
[02:09] <_santiago_> sladen, yes, it's a dell inspiron 700m
[02:10] <sivang> sladen: I'll tell ya in a sec
[02:10] <sivang> sladen: also, I can't get to make cpufreq work on my laptop, we should sit together to fix that sometime :)
[02:11] <sladen> sivang: now's good
[02:11] <sivang> sladen: erhh, lappi in hospital, something b0rked :-
[02:11] <sivang> ;-(
[02:11] <sivang> sladen: I'd take it that a week will pass before technician will attend to it
[02:12] <sladen> ah, okay
[02:12] <sladen> I'm still waiting to hear back from davej anyway
[02:12] <sivang> sladen: it randomely hangs or by playing with the lid back and forth...rather sad.
[02:12] <sivang> sladen: whose he?
[02:13] <sladen> sivang: that could be mjg59's crack that tried to to S3 the machine when shutting the lid.
[02:14] <Schaap> Hi, im updating Ubuntu over SSH, i can shut down the window with out disturbing the upgrade process right?
[02:15] <mgedmin> Schaap, no
[02:15] <sladen> Schaap: has the update finished?
[02:16] <Schaap> still going
[02:16] <Pluk> schaap you need screen for that
[02:16] <Schaap> aha ok
[02:16] <Schaap> then i have to wait :)
[02:16] <null> any one here have dell 510m ? laptop
[02:16] <RubenV> null: problems?
[02:16] <sladen> Schaap: ah, do you mean ''can I *log out*'' ?  You might be able to do  ^Z bg [enter]  disown [enter]
[02:17] <RubenV> I have an inspiron 8600c
[02:17] <sivang> Schaap: you need screen, then CTRL +A+D
[02:17] <RubenV> no they don't suspend ;)
[02:17] <mgedmin> I sometimes ^C an upgrade in progress, start screen, and immediatelly repeat the upgrade
[02:17] <sladen> Schaap: but doing it inside screen in the first place is a much better idea
[02:17] <mgedmin> then I can detach and let it finish in background
[02:17] <Lathiat> RubenV: my 8600 does
[02:17] <RubenV> sivang: if already running, that would be quite hard?
[02:17] <null> sivang: yeah i heard 8600 is a sweet machine
[02:17] <Lathiat> disk and ram
[02:17] <Schaap> nah, im in windows now
[02:17] <RubenV> Lathiat: really?
[02:17] <Lathiat> RubenV: yep
[02:17] <RubenV> really?
[02:17] <Lathiat> RubenV: ati or nvidia?
[02:17] <Schaap> and my sister needs to do home work
[02:17] <RubenV> nividia
[02:17] <RU63> when i upgrade a kernel... should i rm -r the old file that says <IP_ADDRESS>6?
[02:17] <null> im getting 510m, soon prolly in another week,
[02:17] <Schaap> sol Win+L is the solution :p
[02:17] <RubenV> *nvidia
[02:17] <Lathiat> RubenV: no
[02:17] <Lathiat> RU63: rather
[02:18] <Lathiat> RU63: no
[02:18] <tritium> RU63, if you want to remove it, remove the package
[02:18] <null> any ideas how long it took u guys after payment of money to get the lappy ?
[02:18] <Lathiat> null: from dell?
[02:18] <null> Lathiat: yeah from dell
[02:18] <Lathiat> 2 weeks for me
[02:18] <Lathiat> into australia
[02:18] <sladen> RU63: no.  just apt-get remove the old one
[02:18] <RU63> tritium ok
[02:18] <Lathiat> probably quicker if your in the US
[02:18] <RubenV> Lathiat: what kind of video do you have?
[02:18] <RU63> thanks guys
[02:18] <null> Lathiat: where in aus, iam in brisbane
[02:18] <Lathiat> RubenV: nvidia go 5200
[02:18] <RubenV> I guess I'll need to test some more
[02:18] <RubenV> nice!
[02:19] <RubenV> me too, i think
[02:19] <RU63> and how do i make someones name red when i type back?
[02:19] <Lathiat> RubenV: add Option "NvAgp" "0"
[02:19] <RU63> like u did for me
[02:19] <Lathiat> to your device section
[02:19] <Lathiat> and suspend should work
[02:19] <RubenV> Lathiat: does that disable agp?
[02:19] <null> Lathiat: whereabrs in aus ?
[02:19] <Lathiat> rubenv: yeh
[02:19] <RubenV> doesn't that hugely slow down your video?
[02:19] <Lathiat> RubenV: makes a big hit on graphics
[02:19] <Lathiat> like switching to a mozilla window
[02:19] <Lathiat> takes like half a second of 100% cpu
[02:19] <Lathiat> other stuff isnt so horrible
[02:19] <Lathiat> much better with it on
[02:19] <Lathiat> its a tradeoff
[02:20] <RubenV> how does it do normal desktop use then?
[02:20] <Lathiat> well i class taht as normal desktop use ;p
[02:20] <Lathiat> 3d works fine
[02:20] <Schaap> so anyhting else cools that i soo dont need but is a must g\have for ubuntu?
[02:20] <_santiago_> null, I can't find the "notebooks" link in tuxtops.com
[02:20] <RubenV> i'll have a go at it tonight :)
[02:20] <Lathiat> RubenV: my disk was swsusp2
[02:20] <Lathiat> RubenV: no idea waht the default one does
[02:20] <RubenV> manual patching thus
[02:20] <Lathiat> and i was using bernard blackhams hibernate script
[02:20] <Lathiat> for suspend to ram
[02:21] <Lathiat> i think its in universe now (package name hibernate)
[02:21] <RubenV> in what section did you put the nvagp?
[02:21] <Lathiat> RubenV: device
[02:21] <Lathiat> RubenV: i said that up above ;p
[02:21] <RubenV> I guess i'll have to set renderaccel to off? :)
[02:21] <RubenV> my bad, sry
[02:21] <Lathiat> dunno
[02:21] <Lathiat> i dont have it set to on
[02:21] <Lathiat> should i?
[02:22] <null> _santiago_: oops i gave u the wront website,
[02:22] <RubenV> i have it on, i'll test with on
[02:22] <RubenV> but when disabling agp
[02:22] <RubenV> it'll be slow as hell anyway
[02:22] <null> _santiago_: http://tuxmobil.org/dell.html everything is there
[02:22] <Lathiat> its not that horrendously bad
[02:22] <Lathiat> just annoying
[02:22] <Lathiat> has anyone tried to get twivniew going when you have custom X modelines?
[02:22] <Lathiat> cus i have custom modelines for my 1680x1050 but twinview wont bring that up on my first monitor
[02:22] <_santiago_> null, thanks :)
[02:25] <null> _santiago_: no problemo, i hope it helps cos i will be looking forward to use it for my dell 510m soon :-)
[02:25] <RubenV> hmmm, I better put a note that I disabled AGP
[02:25] <RubenV> so that I remember it when I notice my laptop acts funny tomorrow
[02:25] <tritium> RubenV, why did you disable AGP?
[02:25] <null> Lathiat: twinview, with nvidia, are u able to span the desktop to 2 monitors ?
[02:25] <RubenV> tritium: Lathiat advised me in order to be able to suspend my nvidia powered laptop
[02:25] <Lathiat> null: yes
[02:25] <Lathiat> null: but i cant get my first display up to full resolution?
[02:26] <RubenV> anyone managed to suspend nvidia with agp?
[02:26] <tritium> RubenV, me
[02:26] <null> Lathiat: what gfx card ?
[02:26] <Lathiat> null: nvidia go 5200
[02:26] <RubenV> tritium: any special settings?
[02:26] <tritium> I've got a GeForce4 440 Go
[02:27] <tritium> nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1
[02:27] <tritium> in my /etc/modules
[02:27] <null> i tried twinview, i could get 1600x1200 on both montiros, ohh this is desktop gforce4 gfx, but i can get only same display on both
[02:27] <tritium> that's it
[02:27] <tritium> Oh, disable video posting
[02:27] <RubenV> I'll have a further look at it tonight
[02:27] <RubenV> suspend would be nice
[02:27] <tritium> RubenV, you're on Hoary?
[02:27] <RubenV> yes
[02:28] <null> Lathiat: i mean its mirror on both the screens, how did u get desktop span 2 2nd monitor
[02:28] <tritium> And you've seen this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[02:28] <Lathiat> null: with TwinViewOrientation "RightOf"
[02:28] <Lathiat> or whatever
[02:28] <Lathiat> there are many places you can read up on it
[02:28] <RubenV> a while ago
[02:28] <tritium> ok
[02:28] <RubenV> I even sent some debug stuff to mjg59 a while back
[02:28] <jazzka> hi!
[02:29] <null> Lathiat:  n ur able to move between 2 screens the applications ?
[02:29] <RubenV> but then it just faded out of sight for some reason
[02:29] <Lathiat> null: yes
[02:29] <jazzka> is there any way to try a livecd (like ubuntu's) without burning it to a cd?
[02:29] <null> Lathiat: i tried dat to be the rightoff but couldnt get it work,
[02:29] <RubenV> perhaps I should start bugging mjg59 again :]
[02:29] <tritium> RubenV, what laptop do you have?
[02:29] <RubenV> Dell Inspiron 8600c
[02:29] <G2k> hey guys what are some of ubuntu's strongpoints? im using gentoo and ive heard a bunch of great stuff about ubuntu and was thinking of trying it out
[02:29] <RubenV> hmmm
[02:30] <RubenV> the wiki page about PM seems updated a lot
[02:30] <tritium> Inspiron 8600 has some results
[02:30] <nevyn> it's debian. but a little easier
[02:30] <tritium> RubenV, check HoaryPMResults
[02:30] <RubenV> watching it now
[02:30] <RubenV> that line wasn't there a while ago
[02:30] <nevyn> G2k: that was too you.
[02:30] <null> Lathiat: can u send me ur xorg.conf ?
[02:30] <RubenV> whem the HoaryPM page was still about some older kernel
[02:30] <tritium> it's been there for a few weeks ;)
[02:30] <RubenV> thanks tritium :)
[02:30] <Lathiat> null: i dont have it working atm
[02:31] <tritium> sure thing
[02:31] <Lathiat> null: just google around theres plenty of examples
[02:31] <G2k> nevyn: so what package manager does it use? apt?
[02:31] <RubenV> tritium: the past month i've done nothing but studying
[02:31] <RubenV> bloody university
[02:31] <tritium> RubenV, glad to be done with that :
[02:31] <tritium> :)
[02:31] <nevyn> G2k: dpkg like debian.
[02:31] <null> Lathiat: do u wanna have a look at mine, i have one, but i get only clone eventho its left off
[02:31] <nevyn> apt is not a package manager.
[02:31] <Lathiat> null: too busy atm sorry
[02:31] <G2k> nevyn: wll..ya got my point ^_^
[02:32] <null> ahh okies
[02:32] <nevyn> but the "normal" person would use synaptic
[02:32] <G2k> ?
[02:32] <null> any one else running twinview with nvidia ?
[02:32] <nevyn> G2k: root is disabled by default.  the gui is reasonably consistant and clean
[02:33] <nevyn> synaptic is a gui frontend for apt
[02:33] <magiccheese> thanks for the help earlier btw guys
[02:34] <magiccheese> i look forward to working with you again as i continue to learn this new os and get it set up
[02:34] <G2k> nevyn: root is disabled?? wtf. so its like windows? one user manages everything. and what do u mean by gui being consistent? it uses gnome i presume
[02:34] <nevyn> root is disabled by default. it doesn't listen on any services.
[02:35] <nevyn> you can't login to the system as root you don't set a root password during install.
[02:35] <Schaap> Where is a good Shellscripting tutorial
[02:35] <nevyn> the user that you create during install has sudo access tho.
[02:35] <Schaap> just basics like writing test to a file
[02:35] <Schaap> text
[02:35] <G2k> nevyn: why did they take the root off?
[02:35] <nevyn> echo "sometext" > somefile
[02:35] <Schaap> i wanna try a script that makes a LAMP and logs it
[02:35] <nevyn> G2k: why do you need it?
[02:36] <Schaap> aha, and replacing text?
[02:36] <G2k> nevyn: who manages system files, other users, kernel etc
[02:37] <nevyn> root still exists.
[02:37] <nevyn> it's just there's no need to use it in ubuntu the default user can do everything with sudo
[02:37] <nevyn> Schaap: sed tr perl pick your favorite.
[02:38] <nightgoat> g2k: you can reenable root by assigning root a password.
[02:38] <Schaap> Yeah, still need a tut :) cant ask you guys to explain everything
[02:38] <tritium> I was going to try out the new LiveCD, but nautilus apparently can't erase CD-RWs any more...
[02:38] <jdub> G2k: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[02:38] <nevyn> G2k: but it's a bad idea.
[02:38] <jdub> G2k: you don't need a root account enabled at all ;)
[02:39] <jdub> G2k: this is not at all like windows, btw.
[02:40] <G2k> m...i guess im too used to gentoo
[02:40] <nevyn> good stay there.
[02:40] <G2k> wow, welcoming community
[02:40] <G2k> bye
[02:41] <magiccheese> how hard is it to enable agp
[02:41] <tritium> hmm, how can I erase a CD-RW?  nautilus no longer can...
[02:41] <thenuke> tritium: k3b?
[02:42] <tritium> thenuke, yeah, if I wanted that installed
[02:42] <tritium> too many kde libs
[02:42] <thenuke> now you have reason to install it :)
[02:42] <thenuke> ok
[02:42] <tritium> thanks, though
[02:42] <tritium> gnome keeps removing useful applets and features
[02:43] <magiccheese> whats involved in enabeling agp
[02:43] <fwiffo> magiccheese, what do you mean enable agp?
[02:43] <tritium> magiccheese, nvidia card?
[02:44] <magiccheese> my ati card is listed as being on pci sot 1 instead of agp
[02:45] <magiccheese> i read somthing about enabling your agp slot
[02:45] <mjr> agp looks like a pci bus to the OS
[02:45] <nevyn> sortof.
[02:45] <magiccheese> this is all new to me
[02:45] <nevyn> agp is pci for initialisation. but it's not really like pci
[02:46] <mjr> well, sort of yeah
[02:46] <pisuke> same happened to me in another pc
[02:46] <magiccheese> i cant find any controls as far as setting the stuff up
[02:46] <pisuke> a nvidia card was detected in 2:0:0
[02:46] <pisuke> instead of 1:0:0
[02:46] <pisuke> by lspci and xfree
[02:47] <pisuke> don't know if it afects performance
[02:47] <pisuke> agpart was loaded correctly
[02:48] <fwiffo> pisuke, it should get listed by lspci
[02:48] <pisuke> fwiffo, yep it was listed
[02:48] <pisuke> in pci position 2:0:0
[02:48] <pisuke> it was a dual amd64
[02:48] <fwiffo> that shouldn't matter
[02:49] <pisuke> that's what i thought
[02:49] <pisuke> just was surprised
[02:49] <fwiffo> it's just its id on the bus
[02:49] <magiccheese> how do i se if agpart was loaded
[02:49] <fwiffo> lsmod|grep agpgart
[02:50] <tritium> there needs to be an option to "umount", not just "eject" auto-mounted CDs
[02:50] <magiccheese> is that the command
[02:50] <fwiffo> magiccheese, yes
[02:50] <magiccheese> im new to the linux world
[02:50] <magiccheese> man theres alot to learn
[02:50] <fwiffo> magiccheese, that's ok ;)
[02:50] <pisuke> magiccheese, you can also have a look at /var/log/XFree86.log.0
[02:51] <magiccheese> im liking it though
[02:51] <magiccheese> i like this irc channel thats set up its helped alot
[02:51] <pisuke> sorry, it's XFree86.0.log
[02:52] <fwiffo> magiccheese, you could also try 'dmesg|grep agp'
[02:52] <fwiffo> magiccheese, then you should be able to see which agp mode is used (x1 x2 x4...)
[02:56] <magiccheese> after dmesg what icon is that
[02:56] <fwiffo> thats a vertical bar
[02:57] <magiccheese> lol which key is that
[02:57] <fwiffo> i'm not sure how you make with other keyboard layouts than mine (danish) :)
[02:57] <Bigtoe> pipes
[02:57] <Bigtoe> above the enter key on a US keyboard
[02:58] <magiccheese> thanks
[02:58] <fwiffo> pretty much the same here, but I need to do altgr and that
[02:58] <fwiffo> super :)
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[02:59] <Bigtoe> |
[02:59] <fwiffo> :)
[02:59] <magiccheese> agpgart: Detected SiS 746 chipset
[02:59] <magiccheese> agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 816M
[02:59] <magiccheese> agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xd0000000
[03:00] <magiccheese> its using my onboard video isnt it i have a ati card
[03:00] <fwiffo> it should i guess
[03:01] <fwiffo> which ch
[03:01] <fwiffo> which chip is it?
[03:01] <magiccheese> my card
[03:01] <fwiffo> fx. mine is an Radeon 7200
[03:01] <fwiffo> yes
[03:01] <magiccheese> 9600xt
[03:01] <fwiffo> onboard?
[03:02] <magiccheese> video built in to the mobo
[03:02] <fwiffo> ok
[03:02] <magiccheese> forgive me if im confused
[03:02] <fwiffo> you could try 'glxgears' then you get a sort of benchmark
[03:03] <fwiffo> just to see how fast it's working right now
[03:03] <magiccheese> is that a program
[03:03] <fwiffo> yes, yu should have it i think
[03:04] <fwiffo> have you installed the ati driver for the card?
[03:04] <magiccheese> how do i run it
[03:04] <fwiffo> type
[03:04] <fwiffo> glxgears
[03:04] <magiccheese> in the command
[03:05] <fwiffo> yes
[03:06] <magiccheese> man there are so many cool things in this os
[03:06] <kanbela> help me out here: should i start installing ubuntu? i'm new to linux and i'm afraid my laptop wouldn't like it cos it didn't like mandrake
[03:06] <fwiffo> hehe, yeah
[03:06] <magiccheese> 1695 frames in 5.0 seconds = 339.000 FPS
[03:06] <fwiffo> kanbela, you could try the liveCD first
[03:07] <magiccheese> thats my fps in the default window size
[03:07] <bitfoo> :|
[03:07] <kanbela> i'm running livecd now, as a matter of fact :)
[03:07] <tritium> kanbela, and it liked your laptop?
[03:07] <fwiffo> ok, thats not so impressive - i get 3084 frames in 5.0 seconds = 616.800 FPS
[03:08] <kanbela> seems to work but i'm afraid something happens in installation
[03:08] <bitfoo> 600 fps isnt impressive?
[03:08] <fwiffo> ypu might want to try and install the dglrx driver
[03:08] <magiccheese> i need some tweaking then dont i
[03:08] <fwiffo> bitfoo, mine is R7200 his is R9600
[03:09] <magiccheese> ati i believe has some new drivers
[03:09] <fwiffo> magiccheese, yes - they should be in the package system (synaptic)
[03:09] <magiccheese> im just glad today to be up and running
[03:10] <magiccheese> i installed and i had to acsess xfree to get my video up
[03:10] <fwiffo> magiccheese, yes if you are not going to be doing great 3D stuff then perhaps it's just too much trouble for no real benefit
[03:11] <magiccheese> i will use it for a few games
[03:11] <magiccheese> how hard is it
[03:11] <SteveA> my laptop hung when i removed the removeable cd drive on the latest hoary kernel.  it never used to do this under warty.
[03:11] <fwiffo> ok, try to take a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:12] <pisuke> how can i know the maximum agpmode that my videocard supports?
[03:12] <magiccheese> should say at the site
[03:12] <fwiffo> magiccheese, the wiki really has some great info ;)
[03:13] <magiccheese> ok ill follow the link thanks
[03:13] <magiccheese> i appreciate the help guys
[03:13] <fwiffo> magiccheese, you're welcome :)
[03:13] <emanuelez> is the metacity bug been fixed?
[03:16] <tritium> "The system is going down NOW!! this console." message on the LiveCD startled me.  I thought it failed to boot at first.
[03:17] <veejey> Hello, can anybody guide me how to play midi files in my ubuntu? My card is sb16
[03:22] <veejey> Hello, can anybody guide me how to play midi files in my ubuntu? My card is sb16
[03:23] <tritium> veejey, I'm not too familiar with midi players.  Try "apt-cache search midi" on the command line.
[03:23] <tritium> browse the package descriptions, and if you see one you want to try, you can install it
[03:23] <jk24> Hi
[03:24] <jk24> anybody have X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h ?
[03:25] <jk24> oops, sorry, google just tel me
[03:26] <veejey> tritium: i installed midi player but got no output; it says open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory
[03:28] <green_> hi all
[03:28] <green_>  :)
[03:28] <tritium> hi green_
[03:28] <green_> why ubuntu cannot play wma ?
[03:28] <Pluk> hiya
[03:28] <jacksparrow> 'hi all
[03:28] <jacksparrow> Somebody use external dvd-rw on usb?
[03:28] <green_> xmms cannot play my wma files?
[03:28] <green_> is there anyone can play wma with xmms?
[03:30] <tritium> green_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[03:31] <Bigtoe> doesn't kaffeine play wma files?
[03:33] <nightgoat> anyone have any success making the conversion from xfree86 to xorg?
[03:33] <LaurenceRowe> You need mplayer and the codecs from some other apt source to play wma
[03:33] <nightgoat> is it just installing the right debs and converting the XF86Config.4 file?
[03:37] <PDU-X> hi
[03:37] <PDU-X> i have a problem with the new hoary
[03:37] <PDU-X> i need to restart about 3 times in order that the eth1 interface (wireless) appears
[03:37] <PDU-X> any tip?
[03:39] <pybe-lappy> PDU-X: check your network settings
[03:39] <tritium> nightgoat, xorg will install /etc/X11/xorg.conf upon installation
[03:40] <PDU-X> pybe-lappy why? before upgrading it was working
[03:40] <pybe-lappy> nightgoat: search the wikki for hoary upgrade, it mentions the xorg part in there
[03:40] <PDU-X> and now some times work some times no
[03:40] <pybe-lappy> PDU-X: whats the device
[03:41] <PDU-X> ipw2100 (wireless in a centrino)
[03:41] <pybe-lappy> PDU-X: are there any messages in the logs or at boot saying its failed
[03:41] <PDU-X> where can i find the logs
[03:41] <pybe-lappy> PDU-X: does that use ndiswrapper?
[03:41] <nightgoat> pybe-lappy, thanks.
[03:41] <PDU-X> i dunnow, i don't think
[03:41] <pybe-lappy> nightgoat: hth
[03:41] <tritium> I think it does
[03:41] <PDU-X> it uses a own driver
[03:42] <PDU-X> but if i make a lspci i can see the device
[03:42] <scoon> anyone here using openoffice2 ?
[03:42] <scoon> if so how do you like it ?
[03:42] <ronny_fro> where do I find the installer
[03:42] <ronny_fro> eg, to install sshd etc
[03:42] <tritium> scoon, I gave it a try.  I haven't noticed a big difference.
[03:43] <ronny_fro> I see archive manager but theres no package list or anything of that nature
[03:43] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: do you mean synaptic ?
[03:43] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: system tools
[03:43] <ronny_fro> yes I suppose so
[03:43] <scoon> tritium, are you using the hoary deb's or did you install from OO ?
[03:43] <tritium> scoon, the new database application like MS Access isn't available yet
[03:43] <tritium> scoon, Hoary debs
[03:43] <pybe-lappy> PDU-X: whats lspci call the device?
[03:43] <ronny_fro> I dont have that
[03:43] <scoon> tritium, did you leave OO1 in as well ?
[03:43] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: in your desktop menu
[03:43] <PDU-X> Intel Pro Wireless 2100... etc..
[03:44] <tritium> scoon, yes, both can be installed simultaneously
[03:44] <ronny_fro> also, I dont recall setting a root password in the install
[03:44] <PDU-X> i do a modprobe ipw2100 but notjing
[03:44] <tritium> ronny_fro, that's correct
[03:44] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: ubuntu does enable root at first you use your password to run "sudo"
[03:44] <ronny_fro> oh good
[03:44] <ronny_fro> it puts my nick in sudoers
[03:45] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: that allows you superuser privileges when needed
[03:45] <ronny_fro> I am very familliar with sudo
[03:45] <tritium> ronny_fro, that's the recommended approach, rather than using the root account
[03:45] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: if you run any gui apps that need root from the menu you'll get s sudo dialog asking for your password.
[03:46] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: otherwise from a term you should use sudo as ussual
[03:46] <snowblink> ronny_fro: gksudo /usr/sbin/synaptic
[03:46] <ronny_fro> cool... I agree... just used to having to login as root, edit sudoers file etc
[03:46] <Rotundo> snowblink: where in the menu should synaptic be, he can't seem to find it
[03:47] <tritium> Rotundo, on Hoary?
[03:47] <snowblink> Rotundo: warty has it under computer->sys config
[03:47] <tritium> Desktop->Administration on Hoary
[03:47] <ronny_fro> wow
[03:48] <ronny_fro> gnome on this box runs CONSIDERABLY slower than osx
[03:48] <tritium> ronny_fro, what machine?
[03:48] <ronny_fro> macmini
[03:48] <tritium> nice
[03:49] <Rotundo> well I am not running ubuntu right now (at home I just installed it two days ago fro the first time) and in debian its under Applications, so I wasn't sure if I was giving him good info :)
[03:49] <tritium> ronny_fro, do you have a digital camera?  could you take a pic of ubuntu running on mac mini?
[03:49] <ronny_fro> digital camera? I could take a screenshot
[03:49] <ronny_fro> but I dont have public webspace
[03:50] <tritium> But that won't look much different from ubuntu on any other machine
[03:50] <Zindar> ronny: how much memory in that box?
[03:50] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: I think they want to see the machine in the shot as well
[03:50] <ronny_fro> 256, it will be upgraded
[03:50] <tritium> ronny_fro, this is what I was thinking of: http://www.gentoo.org/images/gwn/20050124_mini.jpg
[03:50] <Sav> anyone know how to prevent the screen som getting in idle mode while watching a movie
[03:50] <Zindar> ronny: I can imagine that gnome eats it all while osX is somewhat nicer... to start with
[03:50] <Sav> som form
[03:51] <ronny_fro> well gnome is sexy as all hell
[03:51] <Zindar> sav: change the screensaver options
[03:51] <ronny_fro> but I planned on installing ubuntu and hopefully tweaking the crap out of it
[03:51] <snowblink> This guy ended up selling his mini mac after trying linux on it http://krussell.com/mini/
[03:51] <ronny_fro> well I think people had a lot of unrealistic expectations
[03:52] <ronny_fro> the machine when comparing linux on the mini and linux on a equivalently priced pc... theres a big difference
[03:52] <ronny_fro> the fact of the matter is apples hardware is still superior in handling multimedia stuff
[03:52] <erik> hey, does anyone know of any prepackaged emacs CVS snapshots?
[03:53] <ronny_fro> does xorg xwindows run faster than xfree?
[03:54] <LinuxJones> ronny_fro, no
[03:54] <ronny_fro> hmm
[03:54] <ronny_fro> no package for xdirectfb
[03:57] <snowblink> does anyone here use Thunderbird 1.0?
[03:58] <tritium> snowblink, I'm using it
[03:58] <snowblink> any ideas how to get it to respect column width restrictions when reading & replying?
[03:58] <lavigj> quick question, is anyone using network manager?
[03:58] <scoon> one thing, oo2 does a better job of viewing ms word docs than oo
[03:59] <tritium> snowblink, does the "Wrap plain messages at XX characters" setting not work?
[03:59] <snowblink> tritium: only when composing new messages
[03:59] <tritium> snowblink, I hadn't noticed
[03:59] <snowblink> tritium: Type a long sentence as a reply to something
[04:00] <ronny_fro> so synaptic doesnt list xdirectfb patch
[04:00] <ronny_fro> er package
[04:00] <snowblink> tritium: I'm hoping it's a setting I've just overlooked.
[04:00] <ronny_fro> what do I need to search for to find a package I can actually install
[04:00] <snowblink> ronny_fro: check your repositories
[04:00] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: in synaptic you can search for it
[04:00] <ronny_fro> I searched
[04:00] <tritium> snowblink, you're right
[04:00] <ronny_fro> I've got DIRECTFB
[04:00] <ronny_fro> but not xdirectfb
[04:01] <snowblink> tritium: sorry, now you noticed it it will bug you forever!
[04:01] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: in a terminal you can "apt-cache search <Searchterm>"
[04:01] <tritium> ronny_fro, "apt-cache search" on the command line can be useful too
[04:01] <tritium> snowblink, yeah, no kidding :)
[04:01] <ronny_fro> nothin
[04:02] <ronny_fro> thats what I was sayingj
[04:02] <snowblink> tritium: I believe the end result is okay, but I can't tell because the other thing that's foobared is the width when reading.
[04:02] <ronny_fro> if I need to find the correct .<package extension>
[04:02] <tritium> ronny_fro, search term "directfb" gives some results, though I'm not sure if it's what you're looking for
[04:02] <snowblink> ronny_fro: what repositories are you using?
[04:03] <ronny_fro> all the ones listed that I can check.
[04:03] <tritium> snowblink, I switch back and forth between thunderbird and evolution.  They both have their bugs.
[04:03] <ronny_fro> deb/debsrc
[04:03] <ronny_fro> and cdrom
[04:03] <snowblink> tritium: I'm switching between thunderbird and mutt
[04:04] <snowblink> ronny_fro: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:05] <snowblink> ronny_fro: try setting up the repositories in the guide and see if you have any luck
[04:06] <snowblink> his mini mac must have died. ;)
[04:06] <LesleyB> what's the relationships between dpkg, aptitude and synaptic?
[04:06] <LesleyB> do they all work off the same data set?
[04:06] <LesleyB> so if I upgrade/install using one of them that will then show in the others
[04:07] <Lathiat> LesleyB: more or less
[04:08] <RU63> heya, i just installed 686, but now when i go to upgrade, the upgrade want's to upgrade 386.. should i do this?
[04:08] <Lathiat> it wont hurt
[04:08] <Rotundo> LesleyB: basically dpkg is very low level, and synaptic and aptitude are easier to use front ends that handle more for you.
[04:09] <Rotundo> RU63: you can remove 386 if 686 works for you
[04:09] <Lathiat> RU63: upgrading it wont hurt tho (just a big download) -- itl use 686 over it
[04:10] <RU63> Rotundo: ok, thanks
[04:10] <LesleyB> ty Rotundo
[04:12] <RU63> Lathiat: thanks..
[04:13] <lavigj> quick question, is anyone using NetworkManager with gnome?
[04:14] <green_> hi all
[04:14] <green_> :)
[04:14] <mxreader> hey
[04:14] <green_> i got libwma.so now in /usr/lib64/xmms/Input/libwma.so
[04:15] <green_> so its easy that xmms can run wma
[04:15] <green_> is there anyone who wants to play wma with xmms its easy
[04:16] <green_> just put the libwma.so in  /usr/lib64/xmms/Input/
[04:16] <green_> c u
[04:17] <mxreader> i'm having prob with a website that requires IE, since i've only got ubuntu loaded is there a workaround?
[04:18] <Sav> mxreader, mail the webadmin and tell him to get better skills coding.
[04:18] <Rotundo> heheheh
[04:18] <RU63> What does this mean?  IRQ: ignored
[04:18] <mindphasr> whats with my cdrom only ripping at 2.5x on a 48x32 cdrom with a grip nice value of -18..and encoding at only 2.8x
[04:19] <scoon> mxreader, there is a firefox plugin that will allow you to change the way firefox introduces itself to web servers.
[04:20] <mxreader> scoon, ok whats the name of the plugin?
[04:20] <scoon> mxreader, dunno.  it is easy enuff to find tho.  i don't need to use it.
[04:21] <mxreader> scoon, k i'll go check it out ta
[04:21] <Rotundo> mxreader: even if you use the plugin still write to the webmaster, it'll will do us all good.
[04:22] <mxreader> rotundo, cant... its a government department
[04:22] <Rotundo> mxreader: is there a law against contacting the gov't ?
[04:23] <mxreader> no but its not going to be done tomorrow... heck they cant even support mac properly
[04:24] <Rotundo> I wasn't suggesting that you'll get change over night, I was simply saying that letting them know puts it on the radar, and if enough people complain then maybe in the future supporting web standards will be something they consider, but if you just mask your firefox as IE, well then they will never even see that firefox is being used to view the site.
[04:26] <ragtrx> Real quick guys, acceptable specs for ubuntu machine accessed remotely through SSH: P1 100MHZ, 256Mb Ram, 1Gb HD?
[04:27] <ragtrx> it will be used for simple command line text editing, and G++ compiling.
[04:27] <nevyn> ragtrx: sure.
[04:27] <zenwhen> ragtrx, if it doesnt need to run X, that should be fine
[04:27] <shock> yeah
[04:27] <nevyn> ragtrx: 256mb of ram on a P1 ?
[04:27] <ragtrx> x is the graphics correct?
[04:27] <zenwhen> yes
[04:27] <shock> yeah
[04:27] <nevyn> you could get by with just 32meg for those tasds
[04:27] <nevyn> bleh s/tasds/tasks/
[04:27] <shock> well... the more, the better
[04:28] <nevyn> sure but is that even possible .
[04:28] <shock> 32 is really slow - i set up a machine like that four routing
[04:28] <nevyn> sure it's a p1? not a ppro or PII ?
[04:28] <shock> its running nicely
[04:28] <mxreader> rotundo, yeah that may be worth the effort although only a select group will actually use the site... I mean in the hundreds only.
[04:28] <ragtrx> yea, its just an old pc lying around the house, and I want to start using ubuntu, but scared to do it on usual PC
[04:28] <Rotundo> mxreader: I was just suggesting a little something for the community, you don't have to do it :)
[04:28] <ragtrx> hey guys thanks a lot, I appreciate it
[04:29] <nevyn> ragtrx: if you don't run the gui it'd be great.
[04:29] <ragtrx> nevyn: so I would need more machine to run gui, correct?
[04:29] <Rotundo> ragtrx: don't be scared, the ubuntu gui is very friendly and nice, if you could spare a partition for it, dual booting is very easy
[04:29] <lavigj> does anyone know how to use the Network Manager applet?
[04:29] <other> lavigj: what do you need help with?
[04:30] <nevyn> ragtrx: not terribly much more.. but I'd say p6 class would be what I'd reccomend
[04:30] <ragtrx> rotundo, can I just put it on a seperate HD and dual boot, and access it from windows
[04:30] <nevyn> ragtrx: anything around 500mhz would be ok.
[04:30] <ragtrx> rotundo, I am pretty sure that is possible, but I don't know how to do it, or where to read about it
[04:31] <nevyn> a 100mhz p5 will be kinda slow for stuff like rendering webpages and compiling and stuff.
[04:31] <Rotundo> ragtrx: you would need 3rd party software to access a ubuntu partition from windows (if you know any tell me!) but yes the ubuntu install will set up the dual boot automatically
[04:31] <nevyn> Rotundo: umm colinux, exploree2fs
[04:32] <shock> er... there is this (i thin k commercial) software "ext2 anywhere" or something like that
[04:32] <ragtrx> rotundo, nevyn: how would I switch between the two
[04:32] <nevyn> exploree2fs is free I thought
[04:32] <nevyn> ragtrx: at boot time.
[04:33] <Rotundo> do any of these mount the ext3 partition like a standard drive?
[04:33] <lavigj> godsmoke: just getting it to launch, getting the applet in the toolbar, things like that
[04:33] <ragtrx> nevyn: oh ok, that is what I thought, I really want something where I can have windows up and still have access to ubuntu; so seperate PC should work for now, especially since I only want to learn basic command line things at the moment
[04:33] <godsmoke> lavigj: well ... I'm not sure where your question is -- you click on the icon, either through the applications menu or whatever -- what else do you want to know?
[04:34] <Rotundo> ragtrx: I am exclusively a debian (and now ubuntu) user, but I have one machine that dual boots, the ubuntu install handled it very quickly and easily durring install. really very simply...
[04:34] <lavigj> godsmoke: how do I make that application appear? is there a way to add an applet that has not been recognized by the system?
[04:34] <Gusto_> can anyone help me set up some kind of identd?
[04:34] <occy> anyone here know what I can apt-get install to make soundjuicer extract to mp3?
[04:34] <ragtrx> nevyn, rotundo: at college no room for another PC, monitor, etc; so I was thinking set it up and then access via SSH
[04:35] <nevyn> ragtrx: you could use colinux for that and just access it in windows
[04:35] <guillem> Hi. I wish to create a very simple bootable CD with linux kernel, network card detection and up via dhcp, graphic car detection and X11 configuration and vncviewer and perhaps some other programs... Where can I find information of how to do that?
[04:35] <nevyn> ragtrx: I'd reccomend that.
[04:35] <godsmoke> lavigj: you just use a 'launcher' in the toolbar, and tell it to launch that program
[04:35] <nevyn> colinux runs as a service under windows.
 ragtrx: I am exclusively a debian (and now ubuntu) user, but I have one machine that dual boots, the ubuntu install handled it very quickly and easily durring install. really very simply... <-- same here. was a piece of cake, and ubuntu behaves VERY well when creating multi-boot systems (debian/ubuntu/winxp)
[04:35] <Rotundo> ragtrx: a gui over ssh on a P1 100 will be tough... I would say take the 1GB HD you have and plop it in the current mahcine you sue and install ubuntu on it with a dual boot, if your really looking into checking out the full features
[04:36] <ragtrx> ok, I'll have to read more about that
[04:36] <Rotundo> www.ubuntulinux.org
[04:36] <ragtrx> about colinux and others
[04:36] <nevyn> ragtrx: if youre willing to not have gui stuff for now.
[04:37] <nevyn> but half the point of linux is that the apps are allround better except firefox.
[04:37] <lavigj> godsmoke: that's just it, I am also having trouble even getting the program to run. I know it is there, and that it should run, but it is not. Plus, it comes with a gnome-applet. you can find the ubuntu port at http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager, and the official site at http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManger
[04:37] <godsmoke> lavigj: I'm not sure what you mean -- when you click on it, it doesn't start?
[04:38] <nevyn> and openoffice.org it's better than word but that's not saying much.
[04:38] <godsmoke> openoffice is extremely bloated
[04:38] <ragtrx> nevyn: yea, this is just temporary though; I should have enough cash to pick up a laptop by the spring, I hear ubuntu and linux overall are good for laptops
[04:38] <godsmoke> moreso than microsoft office
[04:38] <nevyn> godsmoke: it's still based on the same broken paradigm
[04:38] <lavigj> godsmoke: there is nothing to click on. when I try to run it from commandline, I can't even figure out the syntax to get it working. there are no man pages, and --help isn't helping me. Do you have any more ideas where I could look for help? that's why i was wondering if ayone was actually using it here
[04:39] <Rotundo> godsmoke: abiword, gnumeric :)
[04:39] <nevyn> that's like half document preparation half desktop publishing
[04:39] <ragtrx> ok well I have to run to class; thanks guys, I'll let you knwo how things turn out
[04:39] <nevyn> maintaining a document in word or openoffice is painfull.
[04:39] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: what's broken about it?
[04:39] <godsmoke> ragtrx: on the whole, the OS doesn't matter -- but there are quite a few proprietary laptop setups where there will be almost no linux support
[04:39] <ragtrx> thanks again
[04:39] <tritium> Do I need to install dhelp or something to get yelp to work right?
[04:39] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: why should document preparation be separate from DTP?
[04:40] <nevyn> because they're different tasks.
[04:40] <godsmoke> lavigj: you're not making sense -- the network config thing in gnome isn't to be run from the command line -- you run it from the settings menu, or whereever it is in gnome
[04:40] <nevyn> the problem is they're very similar for small documents
[04:40] <occy> anyone know how I can get lame for Ubuntu?
[04:40] <godsmoke> Rotundo: we're talking about office suites -- those are irrelivant
[04:40] <ragtrx> sorry, real quick, I want to save this conversation, any way to do so, or copy/paste it?
[04:40] <godsmoke> uh
[04:40] <godsmoke> copy-paste it if you don't have logs on
[04:40] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: agreed, they're different tasks, but there's no reason for them not to be done within the same app - let alone the same suite of apps
[04:40] <erik> well first I'd copy it
[04:40] <tritium> I get "XML Parsing Error: undefined entity" for a lot of the help topics in yelp
[04:41] <erik> then paste
[04:41] <lavigj> godsmoke. it is NOT in gnome, even after restarting X. do you have any suggestions on either 1) where to get gnome to find it, 2) where to look for more help, or 3) how to use the application itself.
[04:41] <Rotundo> ragtrx: what app are you using, gaim is autologging everything for me :)
[04:41] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: meh I like LaTeX for documents scribus/kword for dtp.
[04:41] <ragtrx> rotundo: mIRC
[04:41] <lavigj> godsmoke: this is not the built in gnome network config. this is a different application called network manager.
[04:42] <godsmoke> lavigj: you're confused -- the network config app is a GNOME application -- it's not a command-line application -- if you want to configure the network via command line, use ifconfig -- as far as "how to use it" -- that's a silly question, when it's there, you select the interface you want to configure, and say static, dhcp, or bootp, and then that's it
[04:42] <erik> where can I set the DPI used by GTK if I'm not using gnome?
[04:42] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: that's perfectably acceptable, but I think it's way over the top to claim that combining functions within a single program is "a broken paradigm".
[04:42] <godsmoke> lavigj: if this is some 3rd party application -- why are you asking about it in here?
[04:43] <godsmoke> lavigj: this channel is for ubuntu issues
[04:43] <lavigj> godsmoke: go look at those links. I am not talking about the network-config which is a gnome app.
[04:43] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: I don't think so.
[04:43] <tritium> lavigj, did you read http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ ?
[04:43] <lavigj> godsmoke: because I am trying to get the ubuntu install to work with it
[04:43] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: the paradigm focuses on the visual apearence of the document rather than the structure of the document
[04:43] <Gusto_> why doesnt oidentd work in ubuntu
[04:43] <lavigj> tritium: yeah, I followed the installation directions there, but I am having trouble actually using it. I can't figure out where to launch it from or how to configure an applet to use it
[04:44] <tritium> lavigj, especially important is to read the section under "Note:"
[04:44] <godsmoke> lavigj: but this is a specific package -- and the package maintainer has a website about it
[04:44] <nevyn> for anything larger than ~20 pages this is wrong. I know it's possible to use styles to do almost semantic type layout in wordlike programs but it's not how people tend to actually use them
[04:44] <tritium> lavigj, did you add it to your session?  did you manually restart dbus?
[04:44] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: so by "the broken paradigm" you don't mean the combination of DTP and document preparation within a single program, but a half-hearted attempt to do both
[04:44] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: right.
[04:45] <occy> I did:   apt-get install liblame0 lame lame-extras     and then ran soundjuicer, and it still says I don't have support for mp3 extraction.
[04:45] <lavigj> godsmoke: yeah... that's the link I quoted. it is about 20 lines long. which is why I was hoping to find another ubuntu user who was actually using it.
[04:45] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: okay, but that's not really a broken paradigm: it's a failure to achieve a paradigm in the first place
[04:45] <occy> (added multiverse to my sources.list)
[04:45] <lavigj> tritium: I did restart dbus... I will try doing the session thing again. I thought I had gotten it but I will try that again
[04:45] <godsmoke> lavigj: you still -- in 20 minutes -- have not asked a specific question
[04:45] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: the problem is people write a small document.. using direct formating and it grows everyone adding a bit... etc
[04:46] <lavigj> godsmoke: how much more specific would you like me to be?
[04:46] <tritium> pretty sad that I need help with "yelp" (the help system), but it doesn't load certain help documents (e.g. DiveIntoPython)
[04:46] <godsmoke> lavigj: what steps you took that didn't work
[04:46] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: anything with multiple editors/writers and visual formating rather than semantic formating is painfull.
[04:46] <tritium> is yelp just borked right now?
[04:47] <mindphasr> occy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=957&page=1&pp=10
[04:47] <occy> mindphasr: heh, k.
[04:47] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: agreed, although in the case of small documents, does it ever really matter? If you're talking about that subset of docs which start off small and grow larger ... well it seems strange to dismiss Word etc as a broken paradigm because of that subset.
[04:47] <mindphasr> occy: However, I suggest grip. Much more robust than soundjuicer
[04:47] <lavigj> tritium: I am going to try restarting gnome again. ctrl+alt+bksp should be all that is needed, right? (I ask because that's what I thought I did before)
[04:48] <tritium> lavigj, no, you need to logout, and when you do, save your session
[04:48] <lavigj> godsmoke: alright, I added the source repository, got the package and installed the package, restarted dbus, added it to session, restarted gnome, and I am not finding it. I think tritium might have the answer though
[04:48] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: that subset is one of the problems the other one is that people grow accustomed to using visual layout for documents and don't change to semantic type layout when doing large documents
[04:48] <lavigj> tritium: ok, thanks
[04:48] <lavigj> tritium: I am going to try that, hopefully it work
[04:48] <lavigj> s
[04:48] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: not necessarily... because it's difficult to reduce all the complexity of real documents to a simple set of semantic rules ... witness the potential problems when W3C starts talking about getting rid of <em> tags
[04:48] <occy> mindphasr: yeah?  hmmm
[04:48] <occy> root@howto:~ # apt-cache search gstreamer |grep lame
[04:48] <occy> root@howto:~ #
[04:49] <occy> (I'm a big U2 fan, so I name all my boxes after U2 songs etc...  "How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb")
[04:49] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: don't even start me talking about the W3C
[04:49] <nevyn> font's in px are WRONG.
[04:49] <occy> :)
[04:49] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: that's because semantic structuring isn't as "natural" as visual layout
[04:50] <tritium> can someone please try to read "Dive Into Pyton" in yelp (on Hoary)
[04:50] <tritium> it's under Applications -> Programming
[04:50] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: it doesn't make sense (yet at least) for all word processor users to learn semantic structure in order to type letters, just so that its easier for them to go on to edit large docs
[04:50] <TTilus> TreadingSoftly: getting rid of em?
[04:50] <BockBilbo> help..