[06:15] <ChocoCid> I would think i'd want to install windows there :\
[06:15] <link_36p> feross: packets*
[06:16] <ChocoCid> bleh, i'll figure out what i want to do regarding virtualization/emulation later
[06:16] <Arafangion> Unity: But...   If you have to use windows most of the time (I use Ubuntu most of the time), you _may_ be better off with continuing to run it in vmware, rather than living with dualbooting.
[06:16] <feross> link_36p: ok try  iwlist ath0 scanning   ... get the essid and I'll tell you what to put in your interfaces file
[06:17] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: Xen is currently unable to run windows, because it needs to modify the guest.
[06:17] <ChocoCid> ah, gotcha
[06:17] <ChocoCid> that's pointless then :P
[06:17] <harrism> I was actually trying to use wine, while installing a game everything got extremely slow.. my system locked up actually which I was amazed with so I rebooted to leave the process hang just before it would mention "grub"
[06:17] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: The magic with Xen is that it allows several OS's to run _natively_ on the hardware, without any emulation.
[06:17] <lemonsCC> Is there anyway to install mplayer plugin for specific file types?
[06:17] <w30> harrism, to repair grub you have to do the chroot bit with your harddrive installation. There should be help in the Ubuntu community documentation.
[06:17] <ChocoCid> i do not need to emulate linux within linux
[06:17] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: Xen doesn't.
[06:17] <ChocoCid> er, virtualize it
[06:17] <ChocoCid> w/e
[06:18] <harrism> you mean, I can access my hd still?
[06:18] <ChocoCid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows  <-- harrism, use that
[06:18] <harrism> thanks a lot
[06:18] <ChocoCid> i'll probably look more into qemu
[06:18] <harrism> this live cd is a life saver
[06:18] <jeremy_c> anyone sucessfully installed Ubuntu in Parallels?
[06:19] <stephans_> OK - I have another stupid question... how do I tell a host to pass the hostname to the dhcp server... so it can register with DDNS?
[06:19] <DualCortex> Hey guys, I'm having a problem with gaim, 1.5.1cvs,  one one of my MSN accounts it just completely quits after it logs on. I'm even able to see the buddy list (for less than a second) anyone got any ideas on what may be causing the problem? Could it be a character from my buddies's nicknames?
[06:19] <ChocoCid> livecds tend to be, harrism
[06:19] <sidny4> !lirc
[06:19] <ubotu> lirc: Linux Infra-red Remote Control support. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.1pre2-11ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 271 kB, installed size 1440 kB
[06:20] <Arafangion> How do I adjust the sensitivity of my touchpad?
[06:20] <sidny4> anybody know how to use lirc?
[06:20] <Arafangion> I only have to HOVER over it to move the mouse or click.
[06:20] <Arafangion> Heck, I could put several layers of paper over it and still use it without any issue.
[06:20] <ChocoCid> haha
[06:20] <ChocoCid> uh, hold on
[06:20] <ChocoCid> is it a synatpic touchpad?
[06:20] <ChocoCid> *synaptic
[06:20] <darkaura> okay I got the Nvidia drivers from ubuntu installed
[06:21] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: I believe so.
[06:21] <w30> harrism, have you tried to start you Ubuntu installation from the live cd? there should be an option for that.
[06:21] <ChocoCid> step 1: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:21] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: Just tried it with four layers of paper.
[06:21] <ChocoCid> step 2: save a backup xorg.conf.old
[06:21] <ChocoCid> step 3... find something in there that looks relevant and make the number bigger :P
[06:21] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: What's the setting?
[06:22] <ChocoCid> oddly enough, i don't seem to have a relevant one in my xorg.conf
[06:22] <link_36p> feross: essid is "Hansell Manor""
[06:22] <ChocoCid> do you have the synaptics driver?
[06:22] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: I can't find any such setting.
[06:22] <harrism> yeah I did, and it just hanged :/
[06:22] <ChocoCid> yeah, googling now
[06:22] <feross> ChocoCid: shouldn't step 2 be step 1 ;) .. just sudo cp /ect/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11.xorg.conf.back
[06:22] <ChocoCid> eh, fair enough
[06:22] <feross> link_36p: ok hold a sec
[06:23] <Arafangion> feross: Actually, apt will back it up for you.
[06:23] <esfe> Madpilot: if fstab theres two numbers at the end of the hd line the last number is one
[06:23] <harrism> how can I paste the terminal output here? it is more than a few lines so I don't want to flood the channel
[06:23] <Arafangion> feross: Well, in this specific case, xorg is very hard to ruin. :)
[06:23] <Ferret0547> I had kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop packages installed and then I removed some stuff from them namely the usplash package
[06:23] <esfe> Madpilot: if you change the last number to 0 it stops checking
[06:23] <pike_> !paste > harrism
[06:23] <BeepAU> any gamers here? i download nexuiz, but i can't see how to install it.
[06:23] <Madpilot> esfe, cool, good to know. Add that to the Ubuntu wiki somewhere!
[06:23] <dream> ok i found the driver to my printer on dapper but it doesnt print as neat as windows
[06:23] <Ferret0547> This is on Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS
[06:23] <esfe> Madpilot: aparterntly if you change it to 2 i asks you each tim
[06:23] <dream> is there a way to fix that?
[06:24] <esfe> yeah
[06:24] <DualCortex> Hey guys, I'm having a problem with gaim, 1.5.1cvs,  one one of my MSN accounts it just completely quits after it logs on. I'm even able to see the buddy list (for less than a second) anyone got any ideas on what may be causing the problem? Could it be a character from my buddies's nicknames?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:24] <esfe> :)
[06:24] <unfknblvbl> #gaim ?
[06:24] <Arafangion> DualCortex: What did I say earlier?
[06:24] <ChocoCid> what brand laptop is it?
[06:24] <DualCortex> Arafangion: IT DID come installed
[06:24] <harrism> !paste > testing testing :D
[06:24] <harrism> hmm
[06:24] <harrism> sorry
[06:24] <w30> harrism, that should bypass grub and find your kernel directly I think? Maybe grub is not your problem. Have you lost the boot flag on your hard drive or something like that?
[06:25] <esfe> Madpilot: found it in man fstab
[06:25] <pike_> dream: if you open firefox and goto localhost:631 under the admin link depending on the driver you might be able to adjust some things
[06:25] <Arafangion> DualCortex: Then, it's not 1.5.1cvs, it's 1.5.0+1.5.1cvs20051015-1ubuntu10 (On mine)
[06:25] <kishore> how to clean the temp files in linux
[06:25] <feross> link_36p: so in your /etc/networking/interfaces file you should have "iface ath0 inet dhcp\ wireless-essid "Hansell Manor" the "\" means those are two lines not all one line.. also you need to disable the networking applet for now.. go to it and select lo as the interface so it doesn't mess up anything.
[06:25] <Arafangion> DualCortex: Or you could just not be specific, and just say "The version in dapper".
[06:25] <hondje> kishore: define 'temp' files?
[06:26] <harrism> w30, I am really not sure but do not know how to find out
[06:26] <frodo> Hi All
[06:26] <kishore> hondje, i mean. when connected to internet some temp r stored somewhere na
[06:26] <frodo> i have a Q?
[06:26] <kishore> hondje, also during installation
[06:26] <DualCortex> Arafangion: if you don't have an answer then you might as well ........
[06:26] <feross> !ask > frodo
[06:26] <Ferret0547> I had kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop packages installed and then I removed some stuff from them namely the usplash package. Now, in GNOME and Xfce everytime I change the font size or font for "Application Font" absolutely nothing happens.
[06:26] <hondje> kishore: Your browser should have an option to 'clear the cache' in the menus
[06:26] <kishore> hondje, i heard some cmd "autoclean"
[06:27] <w30> harrism, I know that a MSWindows install likes to change the boot flag to whatever it calls drive C: I don't know what a program in wine could do?
[06:27] <kishore> ubotu, autoclean
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autoclean - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <frodo> where synaptic cashe the downloaded pakeges?
[06:27] <montablac> hey all
[06:27] <feross> Ferret0547: I had all three installed one time and it messes up big time. Just pick one :)
[06:27] <hondje> frodo: /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:27] <montablac> any one know of any good game devolment systems for linux?
[06:27] <harrism> hmm, yeah I think wine messed me up. My box was running perfectly just before that
[06:28] <hondje> kishore: that doesn't have anything to do with browsers :)
[06:28] <kishore> hondje, no temp folder in linux
[06:28] <harrism> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25945/
[06:28] <Arafangion> duckdown: I don't have an answer, but you're unlikely to get answers when you're asking about _specific_ versionf of gaim, that aren't installed by default.
[06:28] <kishore> ya.. may be
[06:28] <harrism> does that look ok?
[06:28] <hondje> kishore: yeah, for firefox it's probably inside $HOME/.firefox though
[06:28] <w30> harrism,sudo  fdisk /dev/hda should show you what is going on on your hard drive and partitions just hit m for menu and go from there.
[06:28] <hondje> but there's no 'everywhere' folder
[06:28] <Half-Left> montablac, You mean like Directx?
[06:28] <frodo> thank U !
[06:29] <harrism> ok thanks
[06:29] <montablac> no,like a c++ enviroment + compiler
[06:29] <Ferret0547> I'll pick ubuntu-desktop and just enough kubuntu stuff for kopete to run
[06:29] <w30> harrism, but don't write to the hard drive just look :=)
[06:29] <Mr> Hello
[06:30] <SeraVitae> hm
[06:30] <SeraVitae> i can't find what commands i need to use to connect an existing gnome-session to tightvnc.
[06:30] <harrism> which option should I choose on the menu? I am unsure as to what I am looking for
[06:30] <SeraVitae> i've googled, but it's all very ambiguous.
[06:30] <Mr> I downloaded Ubuntu alternate im trying to install it now im where it says Install in text mode,install OEM,Install a server which one do select
[06:31] <hondje> montablac: There are lots of IDEs available, but none specifically for game development afaik
[06:31] <Arafangion> montablac: Why would an IDE be specific to game development?
[06:31] <montablac> well,what would be considered the best one for ubuntu 6.06?
[06:31] <Arafangion> montablac: Define "best"
[06:31] <feross> SeraVitae: hmm vncviewer localhost:0  brings up  twm?
[06:31] <hondje> montablac: that's a matter of debate among people. Everyone has their preference
[06:32] <montablac> smallest and most stable
[06:32] <hondje> vim
[06:32] <SeraVitae> feross - im connecting from a windwos vnc box to a linux vnc server
[06:32] <hondje> hehe
[06:32] <ChocoCid> CALLED IT
[06:32] <Arafangion> montablac: I like vim 7.0, and make files, I say "The OS is the IDE", which it is.
[06:32] <w30> harrism, I think fdisk has (shows) a asterisk for a boot flag
[06:32] <SeraVitae> and yes, when i connect to the linux vnc server i get twm
[06:32] <ru> im trying to install synaptic
[06:32] <Arafangion> montablac: Others use emacs and say "Emacs is my OS, and Linux is my device driver".
[06:32] <ru> returns a failire:
[06:32] <ru> synaptic: Depends: libvte4 (>= 1:0.12.1)
[06:32] <Arafangion> montablac: Yet other swear by KDevelop.
[06:32] <ru> how do i forcefully install the version that it needs?
[06:32] <Mr> I downloaded Ubuntu alternate im trying to install it now im where it says Install in text mode,install OEM,Install a server which one do select?
[06:33] <montablac> im used to things like dev c++
[06:33] <Arafangion> montablac: Other fan clubs you could subscribe to are: Anjuta, Eclipse, etc.
[06:33] <harrism> i hit toggle a bootable flag and it wants an option 1 - 5, should I choose 1?
[06:33] <hondje> montablac: there are literally a hundred options man
[06:33] <hondje> developing on unix is .... well, kinda what it's for :)
[06:33] <Mr> can someone help me?
[06:33] <SeraVitae> ex
[06:33] <montablac> MR,do you want a sever?
[06:33] <Arafangion> montablac: Dev C++ seems like a rather primitive IDE to me.
[06:34] <Mr> I want the GUI
[06:34] <Mr> but its going to be a server
[06:34] <montablac> is it going to be sent to any one?
[06:34] <feross> SeraVitae: edit  ".vnc/xstartup" .. find twm in there and make it gnome-session .
[06:34] <SeraVitae> ok
[06:34] <Yggdrasil> hi folks. is there a way to edit mp3s. mostly jsut cropping them for cell phone ringtones ?
[06:34] <ajuki123> how do i change root password on ubuntu?
[06:34] <Arafangion> montablac: What do you mean?
[06:34] <Mr> no? im just installing it on one of my computers
[06:34] <sethk> Yggdrasil, mp3s are compressed.  you can't really edit compressed audio
[06:34] <sethk> ajuki123, sudo passwd
[06:34] <montablac> MR,try text install
[06:34] <Arafangion> montablac: Why don't you just install a few, and check them out?
[06:35] <DarkMageZ> Yggdrasil, try using audacity. it might do the trick
[06:35] <Yggdrasil> bummer
[06:35] <Yggdrasil> kk
[06:35] <Mr> thanks
[06:35] <SeraVitae> feross - in /home/<user>/.vnc there's a line called xstartup, and there's no twm in there.
[06:35] <montablac> because i dont know what packages to get
[06:35] <Arafangion> DarkMageZ: Nice smilie!
[06:35] <sethk> Mr, text mode, because you had problems with the gui earlier, right?
[06:35] <Mr> yeah
[06:35] <Mr> I want the gui but the installation wasnt working
[06:35] <ajuki123> sethk, thanks
[06:35] <Arafangion> montablac: apt-get install anjuta kdevelop emacs vim build-essential eclipse
[06:35] <SeraVitae> oh wait. this is confusing.
[06:35] <SeraVitae> it was a dir. heh.
[06:35] <harrism> rather-> partition number (1-5)... I only have ubuntu on my hd so it would have to be 1 right?
[06:36] <w30> Yggdrasil, how do you change the ring tone on a cell phone? I hate my ring tones.
[06:36] <Arafangion> montablac: That installs "five" IDE's, though with eclipse, you'd still need to get the c++ plugin, as by default, it only does Java.
[06:36] <montablac> dont you mean sudo in front?
[06:36] <sethk> harrism, no, you may have swap partitions, you may have installed onto more than one partition
[06:36] <Arafangion> montablac: Yes.
[06:36] <SeraVitae> feross - there's no twm command in there.
[06:36] <montablac> ok
[06:36] <SeraVitae> x-window-manager though.
[06:36] <montablac> give me a minute,ill check it out
[06:36] <sethk> harrism, and the automatic partitioner sometimes makes an extended partition, and puts the swap partition in it, which is dumb, but what do you expect from a machine?
[06:37] <feross> SeraVitae: ok try comment that out and add gnome-session.
[06:37] <SeraVitae> yeah i just did
[06:37] <SeraVitae> i got some 'error in locking authority file /home/<usr>/.Xauthority
[06:37] <mikeh_> can anybody help me with a slow ubuntu system after it goes idle for a while
[06:37] <sethk> mikeh_, run top, see if anything is using up cpu
[06:37] <SeraVitae> that said though when i vnc'ed to it, i got TWM or whatever again, but the terminal open was the same as the terminal on the gnome box
[06:37] <Arafangion> montablac: Actually, it's eclipse-cdt
[06:38] <sethk> mikeh_, or other resources; top gives you a nice summary at the top
[06:38] <montablac> k
[06:38] <sethk> mikeh_, see if the % idle is dropping when it slows up
[06:38] <mikeh_> top shows that only 1% cpu and 10%ram is used when the computer gets super slow
[06:38] <feross> SeraVitae: ok hold a sec
[06:38] <sethk> mikeh_, hmm.  if you switch to a console, is the response normal?
[06:38] <mikeh_> i put in the boot parameters idle=poll
[06:39] <sethk> mikeh_, why did you do that?
[06:39] <ChocoCid> !qemu
[06:39] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[06:39] <Ferret0547> Console should never be slow
[06:40] <pike_> mikeh_: are you runnning ubuntu in virtual pc? :)
[06:40] <mikeh_> sethK; I have a Multiprocessor system and i heard that it helps SMC performance
[06:40] <cl187> ubuntu hates me
[06:40] <Ferret0547> I'm on 800mhz P3, i810e Integrated Graphics and USB 1.1
[06:40] <sethk> mikeh_, I'm skeptical about that.  plus, don't fix a problem unless you see it.
[06:40] <sethk> mikeh_, take that out, it's an unnecessary variable
[06:40] <mikeh_> the only thing that is super slow is the mouse and typing.  All programs and everything continues running like normal
[06:40] <Arafangion> montablac: So, what project do you intend to work on?
[06:41] <sethk> mikeh_, how can you know that if the mouse and typing are slow?
[06:41] <montablac> simple game devolment,and mostly port my first game to linux
[06:41] <feross> SeraVitae: do you have a System>prefs>remote desktop util?
[06:41] <Arafangion> montablac: 2D, or 3D?
[06:41] <montablac> 2d,text based
[06:41] <sethk> mikeh_, you can tell that, if you get fast response in a console, but otherwise, that's just an unwaranted assumption
[06:41] <SeraVitae> feross - yeah
[06:41] <Arafangion> montablac: What libs does it use?
[06:41] <SeraVitae> just checking it out now
[06:42] <feross> SeraVitae: ok that one should get you where you want to go :)
[06:42] <Arafangion> montablac: Could I have a look?
[06:42] <mikeh_> sethk:  when i finally get the cursor over to a program shortcut and click on it it starts up lightning fast and quits just as fast as if i just rebooted when the computer acts normal
[06:42] <montablac> ive got the game at school
[06:42] <SeraVitae> well, i ran it, it says starting remote desktop in the tray, then nothing happens.
[06:42] <montablac> along with the source
[06:42] <SeraVitae> it just dissapears.
[06:42] <sethk> mikeh_, that only means it has started responding again.  it says nothing about why it was slow.
[06:42] <Arafangion> montablac: Wow, no backup!
[06:42] <mikeh_> sethk:  it is just when the computer sits idle the only thing i see with super slow response is the cursor and the keyboard response
[06:42] <Arafangion> montablac: Which compiler are you using on windows?
[06:42] <feross> SeraVitae: it might be in conflict with the current vncserver ... turn off the one you set up manually
[06:42] <montablac> oh no,we have 3 severs at school,i backed it up on those
[06:43] <sethk> mikeh_, ok, it _may_ be that the only slow thing is the cursor and the keyboard, but it may not.
[06:43] <montablac> g++
[06:43] <suff0kate> whats a good mp3 audio cd burner
[06:43] <SeraVitae> feross - sure
[06:43] <mikeh_> sethk:  i agree.  it appears that is so.
[06:43] <Sandman> hey guys ive got a question that google cant seem to solve
[06:43] <Arafangion> montablac: Good, then you don't have to change your code that much - except for various libraries.  That compiler uses the standards quite well.
[06:43] <sethk> mikeh_, the reason I say that is that I suspect that you would have already solved your problem if your assumptions were correct.
[06:43] <Arafangion> montablac: msc does *wierd* things.
[06:43] <feross> SeraVitae: also, when you make the changes there it turns on the service and it doesn't leave anything in the task panel.
[06:44] <SeraVitae> feross - actually, i can't turn it off because my terminal won't open. "starting terminal....." and closes. like remote desktop.
[06:44] <SeraVitae> i think i might reboot.
[06:44] <sethk> mikeh_, so don't assume.  does it always slow up after a known amount of time?
[06:44] <Sandman> its not directly about ubuntu linux but about ssh on ubuntu
[06:44] <montablac> haha
[06:44] <Ferret0547> Errie SeraVitae
[06:44] <SeraVitae> Uhhhhhhhhhh. i don't have a shutdown or reboot option now.
[06:44] <Hitmanx> ehehe
[06:44] <Ferret0547> just go to a tty
[06:44] <montablac> all my libs are the stuff newbs use
[06:44] <sethk> mikeh_, if you know that it _always_ slows up after, say, 15 minutes idle, then put it in console mode, wait 15 minutes, and see what happens when you start typing
[06:44] <Mr> finally ubuntu is installing yay :)
[06:44] <Arafangion> montablac: Infact, they have about 3 different standards of C++ now, and their docs never say which one.
[06:44] <Sandman> yea sudo reboot will restart
[06:44] <suff0kate> whats a good recommended cd burner for .mp3 files?
[06:45] <SeraVitae> i'd do that if i could get to a console
[06:45] <feross> SeraVitae: doh! well you can go to terminal and "sudo reboot" right?
[06:45] <montablac> dam
[06:45] <Sandman> k3b works good
[06:45] <montablac> they need to sort it out
[06:45] <sethk> Mr, I told you about using text mode four hours ago.  if it is only installing now, it's because you waited four hours to try my suggestion  :)
[06:45] <SeraVitae> feross - the entire gnome session stopped responding
[06:45] <Mr> no
[06:45] <Mr> downloading
[06:45] <ChocoCid> haha
[06:45] <Arafangion> montablac: classic C++, Managed C++, and C++/CLI, which they just call C++, much to the annoyance of the C++ standards committie.
[06:45] <ChocoCid> dialup :(
[06:45] <Mr> u told me that 2 hours ago
[06:45] <sethk> Mr, I know, I'm teasing you
[06:45] <mikeh_> sethk i will and i will get back to you.
[06:45] <Ferret0547> SeraVitae, just go to a tty and then login and type "sudo reboot" or "sudo shutdown -r now"
[06:45] <Mr> lol
[06:45] <feross> SeraVitae:  do ctr+alt+backspace
[06:45] <SeraVitae> yeah that's what i did
[06:45] <montablac> lol
[06:45] <mikeh_> sethk:  if it does what else should i try
[06:45] <montablac> im usin clasic
[06:45] <Sandman> hey anyone good with ssh?
[06:45] <SeraVitae> yeah, it freaked out a bit trying to stop the gnome dm
[06:46] <sethk> mikeh_, you mean if you don't see the slowdown?
[06:46] <feross> Sandman: I'm aswsome with it
[06:46] <mikeh_> sethk:  if i do see  the slow down
[06:46] <darkaura> what is the best program to use for playing dvds?
[06:46] <pike_> suff0kate: application? i use k3b
[06:46] <montablac> but i want to learn how to incorpate assembler into my code
[06:46] <Sandman> lol ty
[06:46] <mikeh_> darkaura:  ogle
[06:46] <sethk> mikeh_, I'd start looking at all the power save settings and options.
[06:46] <Sandman> how can i connect to /dev/tty0 instead of /dev/pts/tty4
[06:46] <sethk> mikeh_, they are known to be questionable in the first place, and, since it happens when the box is idle, ...
[06:46] <Arafangion> montablac: There is practically little point in incorporating assembler into code.
[06:46] <Sandman> im clueless
[06:47] <darkaura> and I don't need that one libss or whatever file installed?
[06:47] <mikeh_> sethk:  i have a boot option in grub to apm=off and no acpi
[06:47] <montablac> its for simple VGA programing
[06:47] <mikeh_> sethk that is noacpi
[06:47] <sethk> Sandman, why would you care about which one you connect to?
[06:47] <Mr> if i really like ubuntu im going to get it on my laptop isnt here a way to partition a harddrive without formatting it?
[06:47] <sethk> mikeh_, those don't always work, unfortunately.
[06:47] <Arafangion> montablac: Why do you want to do "simple VGA programming"?
[06:47] <sethk> mikeh_, for example, many boxes will still put the screen into power save mode, even if those are all turned off.
[06:47] <mikeh_> sethk:  how else do i turn off APM
[06:47] <Sandman> i want to have a counter strike server running in a tty so can easily connect and do direct commands
[06:47] <montablac> as an introduction to GFX programing
[06:48] <Arafangion> montablac: Just use SDL
[06:48] <sethk> mikeh_, rebuild the kernel with the options off, or possibly rmmod the modules, if they are modules and not compiled in.
[06:48] <montablac> sdl?
[06:48] <Arafangion> montablac: GFX programming is all about blits and meshes.
[06:48] <darkaura> and what should I install for divx window media realplayer quick time and such playback?
[06:48] <mikeh_> sethk_, how do i rmmod the modules.  I am relatively new at this
[06:48] <sethk> mikeh_, we don't really have any data saying it is a power save problem, so let's try to get more data first.
[06:48] <Arafangion> montablac: No need to delve into the guts of the hardware.
[06:48] <montablac> hehe
[06:48] <Arafangion> montablac: SDL is a 2D graphics library, very suitable for games.
[06:48] <mikeh_> sethk:  alright i will get back to ya
[06:48] <sethk> mikeh_, lsmod will show you what modules are loaded.   you can remove a module using the command    rmmod module_name
[06:48] <montablac> where can i learn this?
[06:49] <Arafangion> montablac: If you want 3D, try OpenGL.
[06:49] <montablac> na
[06:49] <sethk> mikeh_, you do that at a command prompt, and you have to be root to insert or remove modules.
[06:49] <wickedpuppy> montablac, i also should mention there are already open source game engines ... no need to learn ..
[06:49] <montablac> 2D first,then 3D
[06:49] <Arafangion> montablac: 2D is wholly different to 3D ;)
[06:49] <montablac> open source games engines are good,but i want to learn programing
[06:49] <montablac> i know
[06:50] <wickedpuppy> montablac, you mean with game engines you don't need to program ?
[06:50] <Arafangion> montablac: Check out pyGame, I have never used it, but it seems to be quite good.
[06:50] <mikeh_> sethk: which module would it be
[06:50] <montablac> but the guts are 2D is easer
[06:50] <Arafangion> montablac: Incorrect.
[06:50] <Ferret0547> I'm going to leave IRC to remove xubuntu-desktop packages and as much of kubuntu-desktop as possible enough to allow kopete to run
[06:50] <montablac> oh?
[06:51] <Ferret0547> Because having all three messes everything up
[06:51] <Arafangion> montablac: Take a look at SDL, it's nearly the only sane choice of library for 2D games.
[06:51] <sethk> mikeh_, I'll have to look up the module names.  Give me a few minutes, I have to walk a dog first.
[06:52] <montablac> i will,but first i goda learn where to learn it
[06:52] <sethk> mikeh_, if you have kernel source installed, you can run    make xconfig       (not to actually compile the kernel, just to see what the options are)
[06:52] <sethk> mikeh_, when you highlight an option, the corresponding module name appears in the help window.
[06:52] <mikeh_> sethk: will you still be here in a half hour
[06:52] <sethk> mikeh_, probably, unless I get diverted with some paying support.
[06:52] <Arafangion> montablac: http://www.libsdl.org/index.php
[06:53] <SeraVitae> feross - remote desktop thingy worked. but it uses a different port again
[06:53] <SeraVitae> oh nice, it uses the default vnc port. all working now :D
[06:53] <SeraVitae> thanks!
[06:53] <montablac> dam im unluckey
[06:53] <mikeh_> sethk: when i type make xconfig i get make *** no rule to make target xconfig
[06:53] <Arafangion> montablac: How so?
[06:53] <motin> What sort of hash is used to generate passwords - more specifically the vino-server password? vino-preferences need X and i need to reset my password through ssh/cli
[06:54] <unlucky1> does anyone know anything about bcm43xx
[06:54] <montablac> two words that strike feer into he hesarts of men
[06:54] <montablac> hearts*
[06:54] <montablac> DIAL UP
[06:54] <Arafangion> montablac: What?
[06:54] <montablac> im on dial up
[06:55] <Arafangion> montablac: So?
[06:55] <mikeh_> sethk:  also, i am using the 2.6.15-23-686 because i get a kernel panic with smp on the 2.6.15-27-686 kernel.  any reason that might be?
[06:55] <montablac> i goda get 150+ MB of soft ware and libs
[06:55] <montablac> and port it all through a 56k conection
[06:56] <Arafangion> montablac: What are you installing?
[06:56] <feross> SeraVitae: ok, guess we should have used that from the getgo.
[06:56] <Arafangion> montablac: Also, if this were Visual Studio, that'd be 3G ;)
[06:56] <montablac> all that soft ware you recomended,along with the dependacys
[06:57] <Arafangion> montablac: Try without eclipse.
[06:57] <unlucky1> when you add lines to rc.allow are they automatically allowed root access?
[06:57] <montablac> ok
[06:57] <mini_gamer1896> a question, i upgraded to edgy last night, and my wifi card stopped being recognized (the only net connection for it; it worked fine under drapper).  These error codes show up during boot whenever i have it plugged in """ firmware_helper[2777] : main: error loading '/lib/firmware/acx/default/tiacx100' for device '/class/firmware/0000:02:00.0' with driver 'acx_pci' """ & """ firmware_helper[2751] : m
[06:57] <mini_gamer1896> ain: error loading '/lib/firmware/acx/default/tiacx100c0D' for device '/class/firmware/0000:02:00.0' with driver 'acx_pci' """  Also, there is another error code that pops up whenever i boot (i didn't get this with dapper either): """ [17179592.452000]  piix4_smbus 0000:00:07.3: IBM Laptop detected; this module may corrupt your serial eeprom! Refusing to load module! """
[06:57] <Arafangion> mini_gamer1896: STOP.
[06:57] <Arafangion> mini_gamer1896: Read /topic
[06:57] <mini_gamer1896> duh, sry
[06:58] <Arafangion> mini_gamer1896: Additionally, see #ubuntu+1
[06:58] <mini_gamer1896> quiet
[06:58] <mini_gamer1896> as is #kubuntu
[06:59] <Arafangion> Edgy is still developmental, isn't it?
[06:59] <mini_gamer1896> yes, in b stage though
[06:59] <SeraVitae> hm, if i want to automatically set the owner/group of everything in a mountpoint
[07:00] <suff0kate> K3B - cdrecord has no permission to open the device, you may use k3bsetup2 to solve this problem? what do i do?
[07:00] <SeraVitae> why wouldnt this work, in /etc/fstab
[07:00] <SeraVitae> /dev/hdb1 /mnt/stuff ext3 rw,gid=1000,uid=1000,auto 0 0
[07:00] <SeraVitae> as soon as i mount it even with the user 1000 it changes back to root/root ownership
[07:00] <feross> SeraVitae: you could  "chown -R user:group /directory/tochange/"
[07:01] <montablac> sweet,very little to DL now
[07:02] <SeraVitae> feross - yeah, okay, that worked. thanks
[07:02] <Arafangion> montablac: Eclipse is a monster.
[07:02] <montablac> so i noticed
[07:02] <Arafangion> montablac: But it has it's fan club. :)
[07:02] <pike_> suff0kate: well you could do sudo k3b but im not sure thats the solution you wanted..
[07:02] <montablac> lol
[07:02] <suff0kate> how come i can't burn a cd with any of my progs?
[07:03] <suff0kate>  /usr/bin/X11/cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris.
[07:03] <suff0kate> scsidev: '1,0,0'
[07:03] <suff0kate> scsibus: 1 target: 0 lun: 0
[07:03] <suff0kate> Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second.
[07:03] <suff0kate> is what i get
[07:03] <Arafangion> suff0kate: STOP
[07:03] <Arafangion> suff0kate: See /topic
[07:03] <suff0kate> that doesn't help me and im sorry i didn't mean to spam
[07:04] <Arafangion> suff0kate: I believe it mentions a pastebin
[07:04] <pike_> suff0kate: youre on edgy?
[07:04] <suff0kate> what does that mean?
[07:04] <Tru7h> Could anybody give a brief explanation as to how I could go about imaging my USB flash drive with Ubuntu, then booting it from the flash drive?
[07:04] <suff0kate> k3b
[07:04] <Mr> can someone link me to the rules or the channel
[07:04] <rob> !rules
[07:04] <suff0kate> is what i'm using
[07:04] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:04] <suff0kate> i get the same error with every audio burning software
[07:04] <suff0kate> and i installed all the plugins
[07:05] <Arafangion> suff0kate: Why don't you just drag your files to your CD and click on 'Burn image" or whatever it's called?
[07:05] <feross> Tru7h: I think you should try DSL for that. just boot it and do F2 or F3 to see what the option is to boot in install moe
[07:06] <pike_> suff0kate: if you type groups in a terminal are you a member of cdrom?
[07:06] <suff0kate> will that make the audio cd?
[07:06] <suff0kate> yea
[07:06] <suff0kate> suff0kate adm dialout cdrom
[07:06] <suff0kate> so its there
[07:07] <Tru7h> feross: I was thinking of using DSL as well, but do you know if I can get Ubuntu on there instead?
[07:07] <jimFL> Greetings all. Ubuntu newbie - how to start desktop in Ubuntu Dapper Drake server from cmd prompt after logging in?
[07:07] <pike_> suff0kate: and youve got the libk3b2-mp3 package installed?
[07:07] <suff0kate> yea
[07:08] <andrew__1> Hey pals, I just rebooted my server and now mysql has the error "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)"
[07:08] <feross> Tru7h: maybe with the livecd.. does the alternate iso of ubuntu mention anything like that
[07:08] <pike_> suff0kate: and sudo k3b gives same error or works?
[07:08] <Flannel> !tell Tru7h about install
[07:08] <_grego_> hi all
[07:08] <Mr> the alternate iso works perfect for me
[07:08] <Tru7h> feross: I dunno, I can't get my LiveCD to work on my computer.
[07:08] <Flannel> Tru7h: that talks about a bunch of methods to install/boot
[07:08] <Mr> I could help u with that
[07:09] <Mr> lol
[07:09] <Tru7h> Thanks, Flannel.
[07:09] <Mr> been online all day having that problem
[07:09] <Mr> what is it doing when you reboot with the cd in the drive?
[07:09] <Flannel> Tru7h: might not cover USB, I know it covers installing from USB though.  Oh, and installing to an external HD... that might be your best lead
[07:09] <Mr> why cant he just burn the image to a cd?
[07:10] <Squee> Is there any simple way to set up an irc server?
[07:10] <Arafangion> Mr: He wants to do an audio CD.
[07:10] <_grego_> to play rm/ram audio files, i installed the linux version of realplayer 10 but when i play an audio file, i have an error about the audio device (it seems allready use by an other application). How to resolv this ?
[07:10] <Mr> ooo
[07:10] <Tru7h> I can't boot anything on my computer from a CD, the master drive isn't functional.
[07:10] <wickedpuppy> master drive is the cdrom ?
[07:10] <Mr> ooo
[07:11] <suff0kate> pike_: sudo k3b worked thank you so much i've been trying to figure it out all day thank you
[07:11] <Tru7h> I have two CD drives. The one that boots CDs is the one that doesn't work.
[07:11] <Mr> im not sure but wouldnt you go into BIOs and switch what it checks first
[07:11] <Mr> ?
[07:11] <_grego_> or may be it exist other solutions to play rm/ram audio files ?
[07:12] <Mr> I know my computer has a setting like 1st Boot - Cd rom drive 2nd - hard drive
[07:12] <pike_> suff0kate: np you shouldnt have to use it but its a problem ive had before as well
[07:12] <harrism> ok I seriously have my boot loader messed up. Each time I boot now it goes into a grub menu. The same menu you get from typing grub in a terminal window. Can someone please tell me how to re-install the grub boot loader?
[07:12] <andrew__1> Hey pals, I just rebooted my server and now mysql has the error "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)" I'm using Ubuntu 6.06 and mysql-4.1
[07:12] <adrian__> HOLA
[07:13] <adrian__> COMO PUEDO BAJAR EL MESSANGER EN UBUNTU SI ESTA TODO MUY PROTEJIDO
[07:13] <wickedpuppy> Tru7h, kindly do as Mr suggested :P
[07:13] <harrism> anyone? :/
[07:13] <wickedpuppy> !es
[07:13] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[07:13] <cool_nick> harrism: on which drive do you have ubuntu?!?
[07:14] <Tru7h> Mr: I've looked through my BIOS. There's only one option for CD booting.
[07:14] <pike_> man its 1am
[07:14] <harrism> I guess the default during installation, hda1? I only have one hard drive, one partition for ubuntu
[07:15] <Jesse1984> harrism: i have a similar problem, my gub is all up shit creek, i need to re-install or reset it or something..
[07:15] <cool_nick> harrism: try this
[07:15] <Jesse1984> gub=grub Oops
[07:15] <cool_nick> harrism: sudo grub install no--floppy
[07:15] <harrism> i'm using the live cd right now
[07:15] <harrism> ok I will try
[07:15] <Flannel> !tell Jesse1984 about grub
[07:15] <cool_nick> harrism: do you have any other os?
[07:16] <Squee> Does anyone here know hwo to set up an IRC server?
[07:16] <andrew__1> google.com
[07:16] <Flannel> Squee: I imagine theres an irc server in the repositories
[07:16] <harrism> no, just ubuntu
[07:16] <Squee> flannel: there is but i have no idea how to set it up
[07:16] <wickedpuppy> Squee, search in synaptic for irc server
[07:16] <harrism> ok, I am at a grub menu now
[07:16] <cool_nick> harrism: mount the drive first and then try the command. . .
[07:16] <Flannel> tell harrism
[07:16] <Flannel> ack
[07:16] <asdef> a nice c++ editor for xubuntu ?
[07:16] <Flannel> !tell harrism about grub
[07:16] <wickedpuppy> Flannel, yes there is ... including the freenode irc server :P
[07:16] <asdef> i've to subst some code from a header file
[07:17] <darkaura> how do I play dvds with totem?
[07:17] <Squee> !ircd-Hybrid
[07:17] <AlienX> darkaura, you need to have libdvdcss installed. Check the wiki
[07:17] <wickedpuppy> Squee, kindly get it from the repo ... btw dancer and hyperion also not bad
[07:17] <Flannel> Squee: the wiki might have info on a IRC server, you might check that, if not... google, or whichever server you choose might have a support channel here, and stuff.
[07:17] <harrism> when I do-> sudo mount /dev/hda1 it says it cannot find it.. but I mounted it like this before when the problem first came up..
[07:18] <Arafangion> asdef: Define "Nice"
[07:18] <ohoel> does anyone remember what the front row/media centre-ish app by the fluendo guys is called?
[07:18] <Squee> alright, thanks
[07:18] <asdef> Arafangion: something like kwrite, but without kde and stuff
[07:18] <asdef> something like textpad for win32
[07:18] <ohoel> ah, elisa
[07:18] <Flannel> asdef: mousepad...  There are billions of choices.
[07:18] <cool_nick> harrism: do you have a SATA drive?
[07:18] <asdef> i always think anything i do could be done better
[07:18] <harrism> no, it's an IDE
[07:19] <asdef> i use design patterns if there are some
[07:19] <harrism> on master, just one hd
[07:19] <Flannel> asdef: mousepad is the xubuntu text editor
[07:19] <asdef> ok thanks
[07:19] <Gabby_Hayes> harrism   does  fdisk /dev/hda  work?
[07:19] <Arafangion> asdef: My favorite is vim 7.0
[07:19] <asdef> Arafangion: i use jed for console apps
[07:19] <cool_nick> harrism: sudo fdisl -l
[07:19] <harrism> it is waiting for a command now
[07:19] <Arafangion> asdef: Does jed have a spell checker? ;)
[07:20] <AlienX> vim 7.0 checks for spelling?
[07:20] <harrism> ok so exit this?
[07:20] <cool_nick> harrism: yep
[07:20] <Arafangion> AlienX: Yes.
[07:20] <AlienX> Arafangion, sweet!
[07:20] <asdef> Arafangion: to write code i use eclipse or visual studio
[07:20] <asdef> they have
[07:20] <Arafangion> AlienX: So does vim 6, actually, but vim 7 is much better.
[07:21] <darkaura> the weird thing is I do have Libdvdcss2 and libdvdread3 installed
[07:21] <harrism> ok it shows dev/hda1 with the asterisk
[07:21] <Arafangion> AlienX: Heck, vim 7 has *tabs*
[07:21] <AlienX> Arafangion, i'm just "old school" I guess :)
[07:21] <cool_nick> harrism: the command you used to mount plase. . .
[07:21] <Flannel> Gabby_Hayes: believe Xchat has a spell checker extension doohickey.   Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[07:23] <Gabby_Hayes> thxs  Flannel
[07:23] <ChocoCid> !schedule
[07:23] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[07:23] <jason_> ohh speaking of grub, maybe I just missed the answer to the question I have.
[07:23] <harrism> grub install no--floppy   <- this one?
[07:23] <cool_nick> harrism: yep
[07:23] <cool_nick> harrism: don't forget sudo
[07:23] <ozzloy> is there a way for me to connect to someone's itunes share on ubuntu?
[07:23] <jason_> err opps guess I need to go to the edgy channel sorry
[07:24] <harrism> ok, I did sudo grub install no--floppy    and it took me to the grub menu
[07:24] <harrism> grub>
[07:24] <cool_nick> harrism: root (hd0,0)
[07:25] <ArrenLex> Is there a command to print the full path of a file? i.e. for a file "/tmp/dir/file", if you're in /tmp/dir, how can you get <command> file = /tmp/dir/file?
[07:25] <AlienX> ozzloy, not to the best of my knowledge
[07:25] <harrism> Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
[07:25] <cool_nick> harrism: setup (hd0)
[07:25] <MrJones> hello this is Mr still i dont know my name is in use
[07:26] <AlienX> MrJones, do you have your nick registered?
[07:26] <Gabby_Hayes> can anyone find  sun-java5-jre  on any repository?  (have the universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list  ... couldn't find it.
[07:26] <harrism> checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists yes... a few more "exists yes" then is says "succeeded" next it states "running install" and it says "succeeded done"
[07:26] <rredd4> when i try to get into winecfg in console, i get this...   err:imagelist:ImageList_ReplaceIcon no color!  and this     Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.  Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.  sorry, no one in #winehq is answering me.  i use dapper
[07:26] <MrJones> I like Ubuntu alot so far umm i use my tv as my monitor and when i run a program like the bottom is cut off
[07:26] <MrJones> no not YET
[07:26] <cool_nick> harrism: exit, reboot and enjoy :)
[07:26] <ArrenLex> Gabby: multiverse.
[07:26] <AlienX> Gabby_Hayes, apt-cache search sun-java :)
[07:27] <harrism> :D thanks a ton, you just saved all my data structure projects + java GUI projects for school!
[07:27] <feross> ArrenLex: find gives you full path.
[07:27] <ArrenLex> rredd4: are you trying to run winecfg as root?
[07:27] <cool_nick> harrism: new to ubuntu?
[07:27] <Arafangion> harrism: No backups?
[07:27] <harrism> well, I had it on a flash, but didn't back it up because i recently saved a ton of photos on it
[07:28] <ArrenLex> feross: with what arguments? I tried find. "find file" in /tmp/dir yields "file"
[07:28] <tj_> whats the best way to back up an entire partition (or all the files within)
[07:28] <harrism> I was planning on getting an external hd for backup
[07:28] <rredd4> ArrenLex yes
[07:28] <feross> ArrenLex:  find /tmp/dir -name filename -print
[07:28] <Gabby_Hayes> AlienX  .. returns  nothing  :-(
[07:28] <Gabby_Hayes> even after an update
[07:28] <harrism> I just built my new machine and installed ubuntu, ran into problems with the boot loader after trying to install diablo 2 in wine
[07:28] <AlienX> harrism, make sure that if you do that, the drive is formatted as fat32 or ext2
[07:29] <AlienX> Gabby_Hayes, do you have multiverse in your sources.list?
[07:29] <harrism> does not like NTFS?
[07:29] <ArrenLex> rredd4: well stop it.
[07:29] <rredd4> ohh?
[07:29] <cool_nick> harrism: reiserfs is aleays better. .
[07:29] <tj_> alienx: can't you just copy the partition, and have it keep the same everything?
[07:29] <MrJones> is there a way to fix my problem?
[07:29] <AlienX> harrism, nope, the write support to ntfs is bad
[07:29] <asdef> deadbeef@deadbeef-desktop:~$ gaim
[07:29] <asdef> Gaim has segfaulted and attempted to dump a core file.
[07:29] <asdef> This is a bug in the software and has happened through
[07:29] <asdef> no fault of your own.
[07:29] <asdef> is this normal ?
[07:29] <AlienX> tj_, what are you referring to?
[07:30] <darkaura> Gabby_Hayes - here is something that might help http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation&Itemid=38
[07:30] <harrism> will remember that, going to reboot now, thanks again
[07:30] <ChocoCid> !automatix
[07:30] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://www.getautomatix.com/ ; For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[07:30] <tj_> alienx: the backing up files on external hd
[07:30] <ChocoCid> from what i understand, people in here don't like automatix very much
[07:30] <Flannel> darkaura: do not recommend automatix here.
[07:30] <ChocoCid> because it's unsafe
[07:30] <ChocoCid> !easyubuntu
[07:30] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[07:30] <ChocoCid> probably want that instead
[07:30] <Gabby_Hayes> AlienX    yes:   deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[07:30] <Squee> What is the benifit of using gksudo for gui programs?
[07:31] <AlienX> tj_, doesn't do much good if you can't write to the drive
[07:31] <ChocoCid> safer
[07:31] <Gabby_Hayes> thxs  darkaura
[07:31] <AlienX> Gabby_Hayes, weird.
[07:31] <Gabby_Hayes> brb
[07:31] <ChocoCid> i think if you use sudo for gui programs, it doesn't exit sudo when you exit the program
[07:31] <rredd4> ArrenLex trying to do this     If you have problems, edit your ~/.wine/config file to add the following lines in the bottom of your config file:  [AppDefaults\\paltalk.exe\\DllOverrides]   comctl32"="native"  commctrl"="native"  "riched20"="native"  "riched32"="native"
[07:31] <ChocoCid> which means you're still root'ed when you shouldn't be
[07:31] <AlienX> Gabby_Hayes, you've run apt-get update recently, right?
[07:31] <ChocoCid> i think there's more though
[07:31] <Half-Left> Squee, I thought that was obvious
[07:31] <ChocoCid> for what it's worth, though, a lot of stuff says to do sudo gedit, so...
[07:32] <rredd4> ArrenLex   so how do i get into wine config?
[07:32] <MrJones> Ok im about to need alot of help now i want to install ubuntu on my laptop my laptop harddrive is stepup as 104GB partition 1 and 16GB recovery partition 2 so is there a way i can make a partition 3 without formatting any of them so i can run ubuntu
[07:32] <raiXer> i installed an update for xkeyboard and now i get this message everytime i log in to gnome "Error activating XKB configuration.".  is there anything to fix it?
[07:32] <johan1> Can anyone tell me where I change the default settings for applications for sound and video PLZ?
[07:32] <darkaura> I installed gxine and now I can play dvds fine
[07:32] <Squee> oh ok that makes sense thanks chococid
[07:32] <ajuki123> i cant change my root password. i used the sudo passwd and it said it changed but then when ubuntu asks the root password just the old one works
[07:32] <feross> Squee: you mean gksu ... in any case, it's good for using in shortcuts because it brings up a nice ui.. other than that it's the same.. you can run sudo gedit from the termininal or gksu and it will still come up as root..
[07:32] <deadly_venom> MrJones: are you on windows ?
[07:32] <amaethon> system>Preferences
[07:32] <ArrenLex> feross: that works if you know what directory you're in. What if you don't? The user specifies the string /bin/ping. There's no point in searching for that string in /tmp; it's already a complete path. How do I determine that?
[07:32] <AlienX> MrJones, use gparted and you can do it but i'd suggest backing up your data
[07:33] <MrJones> yeah
[07:33] <ChocoCid> you can make the partitions smaller
[07:33] <ArrenLex> rredd4: just run winecfg as normal user.
[07:33] <deadly_venom> MrJones:  use  partition magic
[07:33] <tj_> mr jones: use the live cd, from withing run gparted, then resize the partition fo choice
[07:33] <ChocoCid> that's actually one of the options in the installer
[07:33] <rredd4> ArrenLex   ok
[07:33] <MrJones> damn
[07:33] <rramos> Hi every one
[07:33] <MrJones> is there a program that doesnt delete my data
[07:33] <MrJones> because i dont feel like backing up
[07:33] <feross> ArrenLex: if you do "find / -name filenameorexpression -print
[07:33] <MrJones> that could take a day or 2
[07:33] <ChocoCid> heh
[07:33] <ChocoCid> i didn't back up my windows
[07:33] <AlienX> MrJones, nothing is 100% safe
[07:33] <ArrenLex> feross: that would require searching the entire filesystem!!
[07:34] <ChocoCid> as long as you're smart enough to NOT check "format" you should be fine
[07:34] <Gabby_Hayes> yes, AlienX  ..... especially when the apt-get install starts to get slow
[07:34] <rramos> how can i acces a tape drive connected to de floppy bus ?
[07:34] <rramos> how can i acces a tape drive connected to de floppy bus ?
[07:34] <Yggdrasil> how do tell what process is using one of my drives ... its kind of crashed i want to remount it
[07:34] <MrJones> so like thats the chance of me losing my data
[07:34] <bug_> i came into this late.. what's the question about partitioning/installing?
[07:34] <johan1> My TOTEM doesn't work so I want to set another program as Default audio/video player - where do I set default programs PLZ???
[07:34] <feross> ArrenLex: I don't understand what you need then...
[07:34] <ChocoCid> when partitioning? probably like 1%
[07:34] <AlienX> Gabby_Hayes, hmm that seems really weird to me. It should be working just fine. Maybe one of the repos is out of sync?
[07:34] <ChocoCid> your hard drive would have to fail in order for you to lose your data, i believe
[07:34] <MrJones> o so I think i might take that chance
[07:35] <ChocoCid> at the least, i suggest defragging before partitioning if you haven't done it in a while
[07:35] <AlienX> ChocoCid, wrong
[07:35] <rramos> can someone helpme with the tape drive?
[07:35] <AlienX> MrJones, it's an option and I've never lost data doing it but I've heard of situations where it has happened
[07:35] <bug_> johan: there's something called "preferred applications" in the system menu.. that may do it
[07:35] <MrJones> do they lose it all?
[07:35] <tj_> how can i make a backup.tgz of my system withought having it attemp to back itself up, as well as some other directories
[07:35] <AlienX> MrJones, sometimes the whole partiton table gets screwed up.
[07:35] <ajuki123> can anyone help me?
[07:35] <ArrenLex> feross: the user specifies a file which exists, using a path the shell will recognise from that point. All I want to know is the complete path to it. Searching for it through the whole filesystem would take a long time; I already know it exists and where it is, I just need to put that into a full path.
[07:36] <MrJones> what program did u use
[07:36] <Flannel> !tell tj_ about backup
[07:36] <AlienX> ajuki123, ask your question and if someone can help, they will
[07:36] <ajuki123> i cant change my root password. i used the sudo passwd and it said it changed but then when ubuntu asks the root password just the old one works
[07:36] <AlienX> MrJones, i *always* use gparted
[07:36] <bug_> do sudo su -
[07:36] <Flannel> ajuki123: when did ubuntu ask for a root password?
[07:36] <bug_> then use passwd
[07:36] <tj_> i attempted to use: tar cvpzf backup.tgz / --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys        withought any succes
[07:36] <ArrenLex> feross: like, if the user is in a folder and types "../file", the shell will recognise where the file is. Can I make that into a full path?
[07:36] <Squee> dont do sudo su do sudo -s if you ahve to
[07:36] <AlienX> ajuki123, "su -" then type 'passwd root'
[07:36] <johan1> Thanks Bug - but that only lists email, browser and terminal - I've looked everywhere!
[07:36] <bug_> flannel: you can make a root pw if you want
[07:36] <MrJones> you all will find out if i messed up if i dont come back after a hour
[07:36] <ajuki123> Flannel, like when i want to use synaptic
[07:37] <Flannel> ajuki123: it's still asking for your sudo password.
[07:37] <MrJones> never mind
[07:37] <Flannel> ajuki123: if all you've done is set a root password
[07:37] <MrJones> im not going to do it i really dont even need it on my laptop at the moment ill do it another day
[07:37] <bug_> johan: ah.. try rightclicking on a media file and look for something like "open with other application"
[07:37] <AlienX> MrJones, don't let me scare you, i'm just giving you fair warning
[07:38] <_rramos> hi everyone
[07:38] <johan1> done that ... it wants me to find one but I have no idea where - looked everywhere!
[07:38] <bug_> johan: you should be able to specify something else from there (be sure to check "always use...")
[07:38] <MrJones> i know im glad you warned me but right now the only reason i was going to stick it on my laptop is because I like it so far and the games
[07:38] <lsoiis> can anyone tell me how I can get webcam support for Gaim?
[07:38] <_rramos> I need help with a tape drive
[07:38] <feross> ArrenLex: hmm. maybe ls will do it. just ran man ls but didn't see anythnig obvious
[07:38] <bug_> mrjones: i recently converted a 500 gb ntfs drive that was nearly full to ext3 safely with gparted... JUST BE SURE THAT THE DRIVE IS NOT MOUNTED!!!
[07:38] <ArrenLex> feross: combed over ls' manpage thoroughly. It didn't help.
[07:38] <MrJones> im just going to wait till i can backup all my stuff or prob next time I format ( like every 3 -6 months )
[07:38] <AlienX> _rramos, ask a specific question and maybe someone will have a specific answer
[07:39] <darkaura> okay how do I set it if I want my mp3 player when pluged in to be used in amorak instead of the rythem box music player
[07:39] <MrJones> that what drive is not mounted?
[07:39] <AlienX> MrJones, that would probably be best :)
[07:39] <_rramos> thanks
[07:39] <ACU> I want to download an entire site with the webstreams on it how can I do it ?
[07:39] <_rramos> mi tape drive is in the floppy bus, how can I access it ?
[07:39] <bug_> does anyone know how to make the realtime tail of dmesg thing stop taking up ctrl-alt-f8?
[07:39] <MrJones> AlienX do you have msn? messanger?
[07:40] <Squee> Is it possible to have a linux dhcp server deny a mac address an ip?  I dont need to know how right now I just need to know if it is possible
[07:40] <AlienX> MrJones, yes.
[07:40] <ajuki123> Flannel, none of these things worked
[07:40] <Flannel> ajuki123: none of what things?
[07:40] <ivx> hey what is the command to lanch file browser as admin
[07:40] <johan1> When I click on a movie application - TOTEM comes up as the default - Does anyone know where I can change the default to something else? PLZ????
[07:40] <_rramos> mi tape drive is in the floppy bus, how can I access it ?
[07:40] <bug_> mrjones: the drive that you're trying to resize
[07:40] <AlienX> ajuki123, you just want to change your root password or your user password?
[07:40] <Flannel> ivx: gksudo nautilus, just be careful.
[07:40] <ajuki123> Flannel, sudo su, then passwd
[07:41] <Squee> dont sudo su
[07:41] <nalioth> ajuki123: please don't do that
[07:41] <Squee> sudo -s
[07:41] <ajuki123> AlienX, root password
[07:41] <ivx> flannel thanks
[07:41] <Flannel> ajuki123: sudo still asks for your user password not your root password
[07:41] <nalioth> ajuki123: please don't do that
[07:41] <unix_infidel> does anyone know if ubuntu has a listing of companies that have support contracts with ubuntu (eg run ubuntu server and desktop platforms)??
[07:41] <Squee> er sudo -i
[07:41] <AlienX> ajuki123, donot use "sudo su" just type "su"
[07:41] <nalioth> !tell ajuki123 about root
[07:41] <darius_> Is there any magic to accessing Serial ports in Ubuntu?  I'm trying minicom, etc .. but can't get a null modem connection to work
[07:41] <_rramos> Does enyone know how to access a tape drive connected to the floppy connector?
[07:42] <amaethon> I remember tape drives
[07:42] <amaethon> wow
[07:42] <jbmigel> _rramos mount it?
[07:42] <amaethon> those are all
[07:42] <amaethon> old
[07:42] <AlienX> unix_infidel, you might be able to ask on the forum. I'm sure someone could give you an idea
[07:42] <Squee> alienx: check pm
[07:42] <ajuki123> Flannel, why would synaptic ask for my user password?
[07:42] <^majik^> _rramos: check dmesg to see what its device name is
[07:42] <AlienX> Squee, i don't have any pms at the moment
[07:42] <Normal> Could someone help me? I can only boot without freezing with 2.6.12-9, so I can't use Nvidia glx(which tries to install 2.6.15-23), so I can't run Blender and any other Opengl apps. Is there anything I can do?
[07:42] <Flannel> ajuki123: because it uses sudo.
[07:42] <nalioth> ajuki123: your user password is the same password that runs the system
[07:42] <ajuki123> Alien, su dont work
[07:42] <_rramos> jbmigel i dont know the divice in /dev
[07:42] <nalioth> ajuki123: read what ubotu sent you, please
[07:43] <ChocoCid> this is ubuntu, you use sudo not su
[07:43] <jbmigel> _rramos search dmesg as majik said
[07:43] <bug_> normal: install module-assistant
[07:43] <ArrenLex> feross: any more tips?
[07:43] <AlienX> ajuki123, take nalioth's advice
[07:43] <_rramos> majik you know a key word to grep into dmesg?
[07:43] <asdx> hi
[07:43] <asdx> is there a way to download youtube videos with opera?
[07:43] <Gabby_Hayes> ok, I commented EVERYTHING out of my  sources.list except the two with the universe &  multiverse places: and got: failed to fetch:  404 [IP: <IP_ADDRESS>:80]   :-(
[07:43] <MrJones> alienx look in the private window
[07:43] <compotatoj> I had sound earlier today and then I restarted X with Ctrl + Alt + Backspace (I think that is when it stopped working). Now my sound does not work and I tried restarting. What should I do?
[07:43] <Tru7h> How long should Ubuntu take to boot from a Live CD on a 2000 computer?
[07:43] <Arafangion> _rramos: You'll want context, use "dmesg | less" instead, and search that.
[07:43] <^majik^> _rramos: maybe "tape" or "fd", since it may show up under the floppy drive (fd) device name.
[07:44] <bug_> asdx: there's a script on rootprompt.org that downloads youtube videos
[07:44] <Normal> Okay, installing now(thank you!)
[07:44] <SeraVitae> hey guys i just got told i need an 'xml parser' by azureus. like, any suggestions
[07:44] <^majik^> _rramos:  yes, I would normally do what Arafangion said
[07:44] <AlienX> MrJones, i still haven't gotten one. type "/query alienx"
[07:44] <_rramos> thanks let me llok
[07:44] <asdx> bug_: i need something easy for a girl
[07:44] <_rramos> look
[07:44] <nalioth> AlienX: MrJones is not identifed, and cannot send PM or /notice messages
[07:44] <Arafangion> _rramos: Generally, / starts searches in most apps.
[07:44] <feross> ArrenLex: nothing comes to mind other than maybe a little perl script but I guess there has to be a better way.
[07:44] <amaethon> I havent been on IRc in the longest
[07:44] <amaethon> wow
[07:44] <seamus7> anyone familiar with xubuntu (xfce) ... the irc #xubuntu channel is asleep :( ... I removed all my panels on my desktop but now I can't get them back ... I went to the settings manager and clicked on panel but nothing happened ...
[07:44] <AlienX> nalioth, ah :)
[07:45] <bug_> asdx: it's simple.. just run the program with the url as the argument.. you could probably put a link to it on the desktop/panel and drag the url to it from the browser...
[07:45] <AlienX> MrJones, identify with nickserv and try again :)
[07:45] <MrJones> never mind
[07:45] <^majik^> Arafangion: you can search inside of less?
[07:45] <MrJones> they are blocked
[07:45] <MrJones> the network told me
[07:45] <nalioth> !tell MrJones about register
[07:45] <MrJones> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[07:45] <bug_> seamus: i'm a bit familiar.. i believe that there's a file that you can delete to restore the default settings
[07:46] <MrJones> i will soon
[07:46] <seamus7> bug_: oh ok
[07:46] <MrJones> I want to try something first
[07:46] <MrJones> brb
[07:46] <_grego_> hi all, which solution i have to play *.ram files on my update ubuntu
[07:46] <nalioth> MrJones: please don't spam us with such a common  message, we all know what it is telling you
[07:46] <bug_> seamus: give me one minute
[07:46] <seamus7> bug_: ok
[07:46] <Arafangion> ^majik^: Of course.
[07:46] <ChocoCid> !restricted formats > grego
[07:46] <MrJones> o sorry
[07:46] <^majik^> Arafangion: I didn't know that..  cool tip.
[07:46] <_grego_> !restricter formats
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about restricter formats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <Arafangion> ^majik^: :)
[07:46] <ChocoCid> !restricted formats > _grego_
[07:46] <ChocoCid> there we go
[07:47] <_grego_> thx
[07:47] <ChocoCid> silly underscores :P
[07:47] <^majik^> Arafangion: my vi/vim experience helped me with aptitude (but of course the help page is one keystroke away)
[07:47] <rowanjl> Has anyone been able to build the latest Rhythmbox release?
[07:47] <bug_> seamus: okay this should work:   rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4-session
[07:47] <seamus7> bug_: let me try that .. thx
[07:48] <Arafangion> ^majik^: I'm used to apt, but aptitude is a very nice package manager.
[07:48] <amaethon> i dunno if i have aquestion.. i have everyhitng all setup even XGL with Beryl.. what should I do now LoL?
[07:48] <ChocoCid> play with your bouncy windows!
[07:48] <amaethon> LoL
[07:48] <amaethon> did that
[07:48] <daviey> Hi, does anybody know how i can find out if my NIC is capiable of PXE?
[07:48] <Arafangion> amaethon: Come back with a question, without saying 'lol'.
[07:48] <dragonfyre13> hey guys.
[07:48] <dragonfyre13> I'mn back.
[07:48] <ChocoCid> amaethon : learn to code, write some programs
[07:48] <ChocoCid> :)
[07:49] <rowanjl> It keeps giving me this message: "Please add the files: codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m progtest.m4 from the /usr/share/aclocal directory to your autoconf macro directory or directly to your aclocal.m4 file."
[07:49] <bug_> sorry to repeat myself, but does anyone know how to remove the dmesg thing from virtual terminal 8?
[07:49] <Arafangion> amaethon: I suggest Python
[07:49] <dragonfyre13> ChaosFan: you don't know how to code?
[07:49] <rowanjl> I've got no idea where the autoconf macro directory is
[07:49] <^majik^> btw, hi rowan  ;-)
[07:49] <sethk> daviey, the only way is to consult the manufacturer's specs
[07:49] <rowanjl> :P
[07:49] <bug_> amaethon: you could always play some games ... frozen bubble and planeshift are two good ones
[07:49] <amaethon> python huh.. I know nothing about python.. i guess i could dl a python for dummies book
[07:49] <ChocoCid> er, if that was directed to me, i don't know how to code "relevant" stuff
[07:49] <dragonfyre13> amaethon: as long as you use Ubuntu, python is likely your best option
[07:49] <sethk> daviey, unless you get lucky and find a reference to it in a kernel source file.
[07:49] <daviey> sethk:  thanx :(
[07:49] <ChocoCid> python for dummies? heck no
[07:49] <ChocoCid> http://www.python.org/about/gettingstarted/
[07:49] <ChocoCid> open source dammit- you don't have to BUY anything
[07:49] <amaethon> i was thinkin of switchin to slackware 11.0 (dont flame me guys) hehe
[07:50] <dragonfyre13> amaethon: check out the python site. It has a tutorial under the CCS liscence.
[07:50] <sethk> amaethon, I use slackware on some of my servers
[07:50] <GoldKeeper> anyone toy with  ruby at all ?
[07:50] <sethk> amaethon, never read anything that says "for dummies"
[07:50] <dragonfyre13> ChocoCid: umm, not open source. Creative commons.
[07:50] <sethk> GoldKeeper, sure, I've used it a lot
[07:50] <ChocoCid> er
[07:50] <darkaura> I just have a usb mp3 player and Amorack doesn't detect it is there a way I can make it?
[07:50] <amaethon> haha seth
[07:51] <ChocoCid> yeah, ok, i guess "open source" is a bad term to use for stuff that's not code
[07:51] <Arafangion> GoldKeeper: Ruby is an impressive language - but python is more mature.
[07:51] <amaethon> im gonna go read up on python LD
[07:51] <GoldKeeper> more mature eh,
[07:51] <amaethon> :D
[07:51] <dragonfyre13> ChocoCid: It POs the people who are FOSS junkies. I'm not, but some are.
[07:52] <amaethon> lemme see if I remember IRc commands now.. hmm
[07:52] <ChocoCid> bleh
[07:52] <ChocoCid> it's Free, how's that ;[
[07:52] <lsoiis> can anyone tell me how I can get webcam support for Gaim?
[07:52] <sethk> amaethon, GoldKeeper python has more support libraries, certainly.  but you don't have to use one or the other, pick the one best for each task
[07:52] <Arafangion> GoldKeeper: Yes, particularly in regards to documentation and modules.
[07:52] <dragonfyre13> amaethon: if you're programming a game, check out pygame.
[07:52] <Arafangion> GoldKeeper: wxRuby is nearly a joke.
[07:52] <AlienX> lsoiis, there is no webcam support in gaim afaik
[07:52] <amaethon> okie
[07:52] <amaethon> thanks
[07:52] <dragonfyre13> lsoiis: hey, what protocal?
[07:52] <ChocoCid> i really need to get started with programming but i'm lazy :P
[07:52] <lsoiis> AlienX: so how can I get webcam support?
[07:53] <lsoiis> dragonfyre13: eh?
[07:53] <sethk> ChocoCid, python is a great place to start
[07:53] <sethk> ChocoCid, a good language, and you can get started with it quite quickly.
[07:53] <ChocoCid> well
[07:53] <AlienX> lsoiis, in gaim or what? what protocol are you using? aim/msn/yahoo/gmail/what?
[07:53] <ChocoCid> i've programmed STUFF before
[07:53] <dragonfyre13> lsoiis: MSN, AIM, etc.
[07:53] <ChocoCid> as in, i know how to program a TI-83/84 well
[07:53] <sethk> ChocoCid, that's actually quite a bit harder.  :)
[07:53] <ChocoCid> the problem is, as i'm an engineering major, my introduction level course to CS was in... matlab
[07:53] <lsoiis> dragonfyre13: MSN user trying to get webcam support with me! Any ideas?
[07:53] <dragonfyre13> ChocoCid: that's not coding.
[07:54] <ChocoCid> "Computer Science for Engineers"
[07:54] <ChocoCid> no, see, we DID coding
[07:54] <dragonfyre13> lsoiis: amsn
[07:54] <lsoiis> AlienX: MSN
[07:54] <lsoiis> dragonfyre13: amsn?
[07:54] <AlienX> lsoiis, amsn has webcam support iirc
[07:54] <ChocoCid> i mean, we did freaking object-oriented programming in matlab ok
[07:54] <Rookie_> lsoiis - try amsn
[07:54] <dragonfyre13> lsoiis: grab the package from the repos. I'm pretty sure it handles webcams, as it is tailored to MSN Specifically.
[07:54] <lsoiis> AlienX: so I install amsn?
[07:54] <ChocoCid> sudo apt-get install amsn
[07:54] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: THese days, many SE grads don't have a clue of any form of programming other than OO.
[07:54] <ChocoCid> i'm fairly sure that's not what it was MEANT to do but we did it!
[07:54] <AlienX> lsoiis, yes
[07:54] <BelialMkII> It does, Though can be tempremental with some cams, . It it messes up the CVS version worked for me
[07:55] <lsoiis> dragonfyre13: I just tyed sudo apt-get install amsn
[07:55] <ivx> if i am trying to host multiple domains on the same server, do i have to do anything else but modify the httpd.config
[07:55] <dragonfyre13> lsoiis: get it from synaptic, or apt-get install amsn
[07:55] <lsoiis> its downloading something
[07:55] <lsoiis> ty :)
[07:55] <ChocoCid> yeah, that would be amsn
[07:55] <lsoiis> so then I run amsn?
[07:55] <dragonfyre13> lsoiis: np.
[07:55] <ChocoCid> sure
[07:55] <lsoiis> dragonfyre13: ok downloading now
[07:55] <ChocoCid> apps-internet-amsn
[07:55] <Mr> does anyone know how to setup a irc server?
[07:55] <dragonfyre13> lsoiis: it will be under internet in the apps menu.
[07:55] <ChocoCid> in the future, what you can do is applications-add/remove programs to browse a list of programs available to you
[07:55] <Milktea> So I tried to create a new partition for ubuntu
[07:56] <jimFL> This may be obvious, but not to me: How to use apt-get or aptitude with .deb files on a CD or in file system rather than from a URL? Can't find anything in help/faq's...
[07:56] <Milktea> but both PartitionMagic and the Ubuntu partitioner told me that there was some error on my hard drive and wouldn't partition
[07:56] <dragonfyre13> jimFL: dpkg -i instead of apt-get install.
[07:56] <Milktea> How do I fix this?
[07:56] <jimFL> Thx!
[07:56] <dragonfyre13> dpkg is the local type of apt-get.
[07:56] <Arafangion> Mr: apt-get install ejabberd
[07:56] <Arafangion> Mr: Oh, wait, did you mean irc?
[07:56] <lsoiis> dragonfyre13: cheers :)
[07:57] <dragonfyre13> lsoiis: no problem. Have fun!
[07:57] <Arafangion> jimFL: Is it a repo, or is it just a random collection of .deb's?
[07:57] <Milktea> Anyone know how to fix my partiton problem :/
[07:57] <AlienX> Milktea, it would help to know what the specific error was
[07:57] <Milktea> Okay, I can check again
[07:58] <Milktea> but I won't be back
[07:58] <Milktea> for like
[07:58] <Milktea> 30 minutes
[07:58] <Gabby_Hayes> Milktea   what brand of  HD?
[07:58] <Milktea> Not sure
[07:58] <dragonfyre13> Milktea: it would also help to let us know what you used to partition it,if there were others on it before, etc.
[07:58] <lsoiis> dragonfyre13: yes ;)
[07:58] <Arafangion> jimFL: In the former, add the url, if it exists, by definition, it has a url.
[07:58] <Milktea> I have partitioned it before
[07:58] <Arafangion> jimFL: In the later, see man dpkg-scanpackages
[07:58] <Milktea> with no errors
[07:58] <dragonfyre13> lsoiis: ;)
[07:58] <Milktea> i even ran a windows chkdsk
[07:58] <Milktea> :/
[07:59] <daviey> Is it possible to move a HD running Ubuntu from one PC to another?
[07:59] <dragonfyre13> Arafangion: oh my god. dpkg-scanpackages? No. dpkg -i is all you need. Or gdeb.
[07:59] <Milktea> brb
[07:59] <Gabby_Hayes> Milktea  .. do you have another computer to put it in as a second HD ?
[07:59] <se7enworth> hi. how do I mount a my windows volume in dapper, and also have it permanently mounted for future use?
[07:59] <Flannel> !tell se7enworth about ntfs
[08:00] <ArrenLex> se7worth: do you want to write to it, or read only?
[08:00] <Flannel> daviey: sure.  You may need to do some tweaking to get it to work perfectly, but yes.
[08:00] <daviey> se7eveworth: is it Fat32 or NTFS?
[08:00] <bug_> i think that ntfsprogs includes the ntfs-3g drivers now....
[08:00] <jimFL> I'm trying to avoid downloading the desktop distribution onto a server install.  (Couldn't get desktop to access hard disk)
[08:00] <dragonfyre13> daviey: yes. There isn't copy protection on the HD with FOSS operating systems. You might get configuration errors if it's to different though.
[08:00] <Arafangion> dragonfyre13: He did say: apt-get or aptitude
[08:00] <Gabby_Hayes> has anyone used the progarm   nftsprogs  (a linux program for NTFS)
[08:01] <dragonfyre13> Arafangion: BTW I think he
[08:01] <daviey> okay, thanks
[08:01] <sethk> Gabby_Hayes, a bit, and I've also heard good things about it.
[08:01] <rowanjl> Bah, I give up... I guess Rhythmbox has too many changes for a simple upgrade
[08:01] <kmitch87> Gabby_Hayes: sure
[08:01] <Flannel> jimFL: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop will do it.
[08:01] <Arafangion> daviey: Copy protection with computer OS's just doesn't make sense.
[08:01] <Flannel> jimFL: You'll also need to grab a default (desktop) kernel too, you don't want the -server version
[08:01] <Gabby_Hayes> saw a reference to it,  but that was it,  a reference  :-(
[08:02] <daviey> with wasn't copy protection i was worried about, but the specific install not being capatialbe with different arch'
[08:02] <dragonfyre13> Arafangion: yeah, I think he's already using my suggestion though. He's just looking for something that he can install it with, and dpkg -i works fine. if you want to build a local repo (Don't come to the list for that. You have to be major techie) then you go to dpkg-scanpackages.
[08:02] <dragonfyre13> daviey: how different?
[08:02] <Flannel> daviey: Oh, you're switcching total arches?  yeah, how different?
[08:03] <daviey> totally, Intel 700Mhz to AMD 2.4Ghz
[08:03] <Arafangion> dragonfyre13: Sometimes I would consider using dpkg-scanpackages if I wanted to use somebody else's apt archives.
[08:03] <dragonfyre13> daviey: you'll be fine. Their both x86.
[08:03] <daviey> if you do a apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, presumabably it removes all trace of the X?
[08:03] <Arafangion> daviey: Oh, we thought you were talking different, as in, the other system is a Sparc.
[08:03] <dragonfyre13> Arafangion: I use it to, but I don't ever reccomend it for newbies.
[08:04] <daviey> dragonfyre:  isn't AMD k7?
[08:04] <dragonfyre13> daviey: nope. Just removes the metapackage.
[08:04] <Arafangion> dragonfyre13: Nor do I, but I don't recommend newbies install distinct .deb's either.
[08:04] <Flannel> daviey: nope.  ubuntu-desktop is a meta package... unless oyu installed it with aptitude, then depending, itll ask
[08:04] <Flannel> daviey: AMD is, yes.  But k7 can use 686 kernels, and can use 386 kernels too.
[08:04] <daviey> hanx
[08:04] <daviey> t
[08:04] <jimFL> My CD is much faster than my net connection, so apt-get (from a server somewhere) is going to take forever (>400MB). I wanted to use the CD as the repository to do the install, but want it to all be copasetic(?) with the existing distro.  This is just over the edge of my knowledge/understanding as a linux newbie.
[08:04] <dragonfyre13> Arafangion: yeah, but if they have it, it's better than nothing. debs are pretty simple, whereas dpkg-scanpackages is more difficult.
[08:05] <Flannel> jimFL: grab the alternate ISO and you can use that as a repository
[08:05] <Gabby_Hayes> daviey  .. similar thing here:  am installing ubuntu onto two systems:  intel i810 800MHz  &  AMD64 3800 x2  (am geting my exercise tonight)
[08:05] <bug_> daviey: you'll need to remove x-window-system and xorg-core or xorg-common and some other stuff... packages.ubuntu.com may have a list of everything x-related
[08:05] <Arafangion> xserver-xorg might just be enough.
[08:05] <Flannel> daviey: if you remove some low level x thing, most other stuff probably depends on it ;)
[08:05] <daviey> Gabby_Hayes: bet you were cleaver enough to have them in the same room eh?  I gotta run upstairs and down
[08:06] <sethk> jimFL, you'll be getting moderately old stuff.  You will end up upgrading a fair fraction of it over the 'net anyway
[08:06] <ArrenLex> jimFL: man apt-cdrom
[08:06] <sethk> jimFL, not sure if you'll save very much.
[08:06] <dragonfyre13> daviey: yes, but you can replace the kernel. 686 works fine, you just don't get the same boost.
[08:06] <jimFL> OK - I will have to defer the install until I get to a higher BW. connection to grab the alternate.  Dang! I should have d/l'd them all.
[08:06] <Arafangion> dragonfyre13: For desktops, I'm torn between Debian and Ubuntu, actually - Debian can have rather nice DVD's.
[08:06] <dragonfyre13> jimFL: apt-cdrom. there's an ubuntu site for it too.
[08:06] <jimFL> I don't quite get the kernel issue.
[08:06] <Flannel> jimFL: you'll have to download the alternate ISO (if you don't already have it)  700mb.  It can install a GUI-less server version as well.
[08:06] <Gabby_Hayes> yes,  daviey  .. I'm not that athletic at my age.
[08:07] <sethk> jimFL, what kernel issue?
[08:07] <Arafangion> dragonfyre13: And since debian is slow to change, those can stay reaosnably up-to-date for quite a while. :)
[08:07] <dragonfyre13> Arafangion: I go with gentoo and Ubuntu. Gentoo servers, and my geeky desktop, and Ubuntu for my wife, kids, and "easy" computers.
[08:07] <se7enworth> its a NTFS partition
[08:07] <ArrenLex> se7enworth: read only, or do you need to write?
[08:07] <Arafangion> dragonfyre13: My server is OBSD :)
[08:07] <SeraVitae> how can i tell in ubuntu what motherboard i have?
[08:07] <se7enworth> both
[08:07] <ArrenLex> !fuse
[08:07] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[08:07] <Arafangion> dragonfyre13: But I generally prefer Debian.
[08:08] <se7enworth> thx
[08:08] <ArrenLex> Debian is life.
[08:08] <Arafangion> dragonfyre13: it's quite easy - though Ubuntu wins on hardware, and it _is_ just a little more polished.
[08:08] <jimFL> dragonfyre13: apt-cdrom is the ticket, I think.  Thanks mucho.
[08:08] <dragonfyre13> Arafangion: I have a FreeBSD server, but I rarely use it. Just not fast enough.
[08:08] <Milktea> Okay
[08:08] <Flannel> jimFL: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/  there's a kernel differnces section
[08:08] <daviey> se7enworth, if the data is importiant and not backed up i would not use write access as you could loose everything (rare)
[08:08] <dragonfyre13> jimFL: wait. Look at this.
[08:08] <Milktea> I used PartitionMagic
[08:08] <Milktea> and I got this error
[08:08] <Milktea> #1529 Information mismatch in directory entry
[08:08] <rowanjl> If I'm going to upgrade my kernel and I'm using a Athlon 64, what should I choose?
[08:08] <daviey> Has anybody tried making a ubuntu thin client?
[08:08] <dragonfyre13> ubotu: apt-cdrom
[08:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-cdrom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:09] <dragonfyre13> ubotu: apt
[08:09] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[08:09] <sethk> Milktea, you are SOL.  hope you backed up
[08:09] <Flannel> rowanjl: are you using a 64bit install? or a 32bit one?
[08:09] <Milktea> SOL?
[08:09] <rowanjl> Flannel: sorry, 32bit
[08:09] <AlienX> Milktea, feces out of luck :)
[08:09] <sethk> Milktea, s*** out of luck
[08:09] <Milktea> oh
[08:09] <Milktea> hmm
[08:09] <Milktea> i might as well
[08:09] <sethk> Milktea, try fsck (assuming it's a linux partition)
[08:09] <Flannel> rowanjl: k7, I believe.  k8 if it's available, but I don't believe it is.  (your proc is k8, but I don't know if thats only for it running in 64bit mode)
[08:10] <Milktea> no
[08:10] <Milktea> im trying to resize
[08:10] <Milktea> NTFS
[08:10] <Jerub> does the ubuntu installer have the ability to resize HFS+ partitions?
[08:10] <rowanjl> Milktea: thanks :)
[08:10] <Arafangion> Jerub: Running a mac?
[08:10] <Milktea> ?
[08:10] <sethk> Milktea, then try window's ntfs recovery tool
[08:10] <ArrenLex> rowanji: you can run a 64-bit kernel and use a 32-bit distro. You'll be fine.
[08:10] <Milktea> sethk where is that found
[08:10] <sidny4> how do you disable quotas on the home folder?
[08:10] <Jesse1984> a question, when i goto install ubuntu via the alternate cd, i get this error.. "buffer i/o error on device hdd, logical block x" (where x can be one of heaps of numbers that come up with that same error one after another) it seems like it will never stop
[08:10] <Gabby_Hayes> Milktea   .. do you have another computer where you could use that HD as a second HD?   (and use gpart to retrieve your lost partitions, if you are lucky)
[08:10] <ArrenLex> sethk: Windows' *
[08:10] <Flannel> ArrenLex: is k8 in the i386 repositories though?
[08:10] <Milktea> no
[08:10] <Arafangion> Jerub: Whatever you do, please back it up, I've heard rumours that linux's mac filesystem support is very unreliable.
[08:10] <Milktea> I don't have lost partitions
[08:10] <Milktea> o.0
[08:11] <Flannel> Jesse1984: reburn the CD, at 4x
[08:11] <sethk> Milktea, I'm not sure, I don't use it much, but it's there.
[08:11] <dragonfyre13> jimFL: http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/08/get-ubuntu-repositories-on-dvd.html
[08:11] <Arafangion> Jerub: You have a corrupt CD.
[08:11] <Milktea> wait
[08:11] <Arafangion> dragonfyre13: Thanks.
[08:11] <Milktea> I'm running
[08:11] <Jerub> Arafangion: no I don't!
[08:11] <Jerub> :)
[08:11] <Milktea> Windows XP
[08:11] <sidny4> Flannel, I don't believe k8 is in the i386, k7 is for sure though
[08:11] <Milktea> off of the partition I'm trying to resize
[08:11] <Jerub> Arafangion: yeah, I'm doing the backups now :)
[08:11] <Milktea> at the moment
[08:11] <Milktea> with no problems
[08:11] <Milktea> o.0
[08:11] <Arafangion> Jerub: Disregard me then :)
[08:11] <Gabby_Hayes> ArrenLex  .. I installed off of a DVD  6.06 ... and used the defaults, for now.  (AMD64 x2 )
[08:11] <dragonfyre13> Arafangion: for what?
[08:11] <ArrenLex> Flannel: It seems not. It was in the debian 386 repos, though.
[08:12] <Arafangion> dragonfyre13: Ubuntu repos on DVD.
[08:12] <dragonfyre13> Arafangion: np.
[08:12] <Za1> Hi, can someone pls give me some suggestions - I have currently running Ubuntu (hoary) and I would like to upgrade to latest (drapper) which I have a CD.  Is there anyway I can only do upgrade without lossing my existing data?
[08:12] <Flannel> Za1: yes, but you have to upgrade through breezy first.
[08:12] <sethk> Za1, yes, but ordinarily that's done from the 'net, rather than from the cd
[08:12] <ArrenLex> Az1: why don't you just apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:13] <sidny4> anybody know how to remove quotas on the home folder?
[08:13] <Flannel> Za1: and, if you're doing it via the CDs, grab the alternate dapper one, not the desktop.
[08:13] <Milktea> Guys
[08:13] <Milktea> for the error #1529 Information mismatch in directory entry
[08:13] <sethk> Za1, back up first
[08:13] <Milktea> I'm trying to resize
[08:13] <se7enworth> fuse_mount failed
[08:13] <Milktea> the parition
[08:13] <Milktea> partition*
[08:13] <dragonfyre13> Zal: yep. Upgrade in order. Go through the tutorials on the main ubuntu site for each upgrade.
[08:13] <Milktea> I'm running off of currently
[08:13] <Za1> okay - the problem is i only have 64k.  That mean I need to order breezy CD and upgrade first?
[08:13] <ArrenLex> !enter > Milktea
[08:13] <Gabby_Hayes> Milktea  ..  do you have a live CD?
[08:13] <sethk> Milktea, question was already answered
[08:13] <Milktea> Yes, I do
[08:13] <andrew__1> Hey pals, I just rebooted my server and now mysql has the error "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)" I'm using Ubuntu 6.06 and mysql-4.1
[08:14] <Milktea> Sorry
[08:14] <dragonfyre13> Zal: it might be more difficult, because from hoary to breezy, the upgrade process was still experemental.
[08:14] <se7enworth> ok ... say i just wanna read from the partition. what would I do then.?
[08:14] <Flannel> dragonfyre13: no it wasn't.
[08:14] <sidny4> anybody know how to remove quotas on the home folder?
[08:14] <daviey> Am i right in saying that XDMCP login will connect to a remote 'X' - allow me a full working machine and run processes on the 'server' machine.  Ie have a powerfull backend and login from an old pc, for a new pc feel?
[08:14] <Za1> hmm- sounds like i better backup and nuke my machine and install the latest will be the best solutions.  thanks guys for your wonderful feeback.  you bunch are always a helpful.
[08:15] <Flannel> Za1: right, except you won't be able to order a breezy CD, I don't think.  And you won't be able to order a Dapper Alternate CD.  Unless you're ordering them somewhere besides shipit
[08:15] <Gabby_Hayes> Za1  .. for that little amount of ram,  use more than one swap, and if you have two HDs, put a swap on each HD.  easier on your OS with two swaps and little ram.
[08:15] <bug_> i'd say to backup /etc and /home .. and then just do a clean install or (messily) overinstall
[08:15] <dragonfyre13> Flannel: it was horribly unpolished, and crashed more than half of the computers I tried it on. If it wasn't officially, then it was in practice.
[08:15] <Flannel> Za1: right.  That's probably by far the easiest.  Just backup /home and stuff, like bug_ said
[08:15] <ArrenLex> se7enworth: to read only, add this line to your /etc/fstab:
[08:15] <ArrenLex> /dev/<partition>       <mountpoint>          ntfs    ro,users,umask=000           0       0
[08:15] <se7enworth> ok ... say i just wanna read from the partition. what would I do then.?
[08:15] <Flannel> dragonfyre13: dist-upgrade was official, and you just seem to have had bad luck ;)
[08:15] <se7enworth> thx
[08:15] <sidny4> anybody know how to remove quotas on the home folder?
[08:15] <dragonfyre13> Flannel: oh, and they instituted the new procedure to "fix issues with the previous methods" according to them.
[08:15] <Flannel> daviey: correct
[08:16] <dragonfyre13> Flannel: yes, official. I meant experemental.
[08:16] <daviey> se7evworth:  ie:   /dev/hda1    /media/windows ntfs  nls=utf8,umask=0222 0    0
[08:16] <dragonfyre13> Flannel: This was also a major issue on the boards. And I know I have bad luck. ;)
[08:16] <Flannel> dragonfyre13: most of the problems stemmed from people uninstalling meta packages and not reinstalling them.  It was NOT experimental.  We can continue this in #ubuntu-offtopic if you'd like, this is not the place.
[08:16] <sethk> dragonfyre13, is it experimentally official, or officially experimental?
[08:17] <captine> hi all.  when booting ubuntu, i get an error.  "file system check failed.  please repair manually.  give root password for maintanance".  when i give root password, it just takes me to console.  anyone able to help?
[08:17] <daviey> Flannel:  with X actually be running on the machine aswell or just X-Server?
[08:17] <dragonfyre13> sethk: it's neither any more.
[08:17] <ArrenLex> captine: from that console, enter "fsck".
[08:17] <sethk> dragonfyre13, good thing, I was getting dizzy  :)
[08:17] <dragonfyre13> sethk: I understood it to be experimental. I just know that there were lots of issues, and I had more than a few myself.
[08:17] <Flannel> daviey: X needs to be, but that's it.  You login with your Xserver to the XClient at your home machine thing.
[08:17] <dragonfyre13> sethk: :)
[08:17] <sethk> captine, that's what it is supposed to do, take you to the console so you can repair
[08:18] <daviey> Flannel, thanx a bundle
[08:18] <rowanjl> 800 uses is too many for ONE IRC channel...
[08:18] <mikeh_> sethk: i tried the going to terminal thing, and the computer does not slow down in terminal
[08:18] <sethk> captine, if it is the root file system, you wil lneed to boot the live cd to repair it
[08:18] <ArrenLex> rowanji: only about 20 are talking,
[08:18] <ArrenLex> .
[08:18] <phonics> rowanjl,  we're all idling
[08:18] <dragonfyre13> Flannel: that could very well be. I don't know all the specifics, but I know that everything is fixed now. I just hope the upgrade with dapper to edgy goes well.
[08:18] <sethk> mikeh_, good.  see if there is anything interesting in thel ogs.
[08:18] <SeraVitae> could someone give me a hand installing some XML java parser? i tried to install piccolo but it's like, not working.
[08:18] <ArrenLex> sethk: why would you need the livecd to repair the root filesystem?
[08:19] <rowanjl> ArrenLex, phonics, I know, but with 20 people talking its very hard to follow a conversation
[08:19] <sidny4> anybody know how to remove quotas on the home folder?
[08:19] <mikeh_> sethk: what logs
[08:19] <andrew__1> Hey pals, I just rebooted my server and now mysql has the error "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)" I'm using Ubuntu 6.06 and mysql-4.1
[08:19] <sethk> ArrenLex, because you can't repair a file system while it is mounted
[08:20] <phonics> andrew__1, that sounds rough
[08:20] <Flannel> sidny4: quota is probably the command used to implement them, check it's documentation, I've never used it.
[08:20] <ArrenLex> sethk: that admin console doesn't mount the filesystem AFAIK; that's why your /etc/fstab says "defaults,errors=remount-ro" for the options on the root fs. So you can repair it.
[08:20] <sethk> mikeh_, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, /var/log/messages.   do    ls -ltr /var/log    and check logs which haave changed most recently
[08:20] <captine> ArrenLex: done that.  now it says reiser_open : the superblock cnnot be found on /dev/hdc.  says something about the partition table might be recked and to use option --rebuild-sb.  should i type fsck --rebuild-sb?
[08:20] <sidny4> ok
[08:20] <sethk> ArrenLex, it's mounted read only, but it is still mounted
[08:20] <Robin1931> hey ppl i need some help...i installed firefox ages ago using the binary and now i can't get rid of it to install the latest version via synaptic...how do i remove firefox?
[08:20] <captine> ArrenLex: and will i lose data?
[08:20] <andrew__1> phonics: yes, it's really bugging me
[08:20] <ArrenLex> captine: if it warns you that your filesystem is mounted, do not run it. If it does not warn you, you are safe.
[08:20] <sethk> Robin1931, rm
[08:20] <jimFL> thx dragonfyre13 & others.  Gotta' go offline now.  You've given me MUCH more than I ever would have found  on my own.  Much appreciated. Later...
[08:21] <ArrenLex> captine: everything SHOULD be fine.
[08:21] <Mr> how come everytime i try to run a shell script nothing happens
[08:21] <ArrenLex> Mr: does the file have exec permissions?
[08:21] <Robin1931> sethk: rm firefox?
[08:21] <Mr> uhhh i dont know what that is how do i give it them
[08:21] <printk> Mr: what kind of shell script?  it is executable right?
[08:21] <ArrenLex> Mr: run it as "sh <file>" or else "sudo chmod +x <file>" and then you can simply "./<file>"
[08:21] <Mr> Yeah
[08:21] <wrabbit^> Mr, if you want to create an exe, just sudo chmod +x .........
[08:22] <phonics> andrew__1, you try : http://www.tech-recipes.com/mysql_tips762.html
[08:22] <wrabbit^> err yeah, what ArrenLex said
[08:22] <printk> no need to "sudo chmod +x" unless it's owned by root
[08:22] <printk> just chmod +x :)
[08:22] <daviey> If i want to migrate from one machine to another can i just move my  /home/($USER) directory?
[08:22] <Flannel> Robin1931: no, you'll have to delete all of the files associated with it.
[08:22] <Mr> slow down i just installed ubuntu today
[08:22] <Mr> Im a complete noob lol
[08:23] <Mr> how do i run it
[08:23] <ArrenLex> sethk: the reason you can't fsck a mounted filesystem is because the inodes are in use and the counts are wrong and all these things, and it closes files which can't be closed because they are open and corrupts everything. If you mount a filesystem readonly, it's still in virgin state. You can't fix a filesystem if you can't read it; the livecd mounts it readonly anyway.
[08:23] <Flannel> daviey: that's the idea.  there can always be some problems, but  in a nutshell, yes.
[08:23] <Mr>  double clicked on ot
[08:23] <Mr> it*
[08:23] <printk> daviey: yup you can.
[08:23] <phonics> this channel is a bumbleclot clusterfuck - quoth McDonalds "I'm Lovin it!"
[08:23] <daviey> So my .evolution and other such should move with it?
[08:23] <Robin1931> Flannel: where can i find the install files?
[08:23] <andrew__1> phonics: I'll have a look, it looks reasona;ble thanks
[08:23] <ArrenLex> Mr: run chmod +x <file> and then you can doubleclick on it to run it.
[08:23] <wrabbit^> Mr: Hang on.  :) What're you trying to run?
[08:23] <Mr> it says Do you want to run "Installation or display its contents
[08:24] <Mr> lampp
[08:24] <phonics> andrew__1, all i did was google for the error and pass you the first hit.
[08:24] <mikeh_> sethk: what would be the evms-engine.X.log
[08:24] <andrew__1> hmm yeah I didnt find that page
[08:24] <andrew__1> not sure if it will work, Ive tried many things
[08:24] <Mr> im trying to install lampp
[08:24] <phonics> any lurkers know if this is the correct channel to go into a tirade about GDM, gnome-session, and gnome-panel?
[08:25] <ArrenLex> phonics: do you need help with those things?
[08:25] <Flannel> phonics: #ubuntu-offtopic would be a better place
[08:25] <harrism> when I try to run mupen64 (n64 emu) I get this error-> error while loading shared libraries libsdl-1.2.so.0    I program in SDL all the time, why does it not load the shared library? I have libsdl 1.2 and some addons like gfx, net, image, ttf and so on
[08:25] <printk> phonics must be jamacian
[08:25] <phonics> ArrenLex, i'm frustrated by them, whether or not help is available is the question itself
[08:25] <Mr> So how do i run a shell script now? because when i click run it doesnt work
[08:25] <Mr> nothing happens
[08:25] <lsoiis> dragonfyre13: it WORKS!  webcam
[08:25] <lsoiis> thanks
[08:26] <phonics> printk, wow.... just,... wow
[08:26] <harrism> I have dev packages, but if I can run sdl games I make why can't I run this? :/
[08:26] <dragonfyre13> lsoiis: no problem. Have fun. But not too much. ;)
[08:26] <holycow> phonics, no that would be #gnome or irc.gnome.org
[08:26] <holycow> however
[08:26] <holycow> can you give us a gist?
[08:26] <phonics> ArrenLex, Flannel, just curious if there's a way to deal with gnome-panel bugging out when you use GDM
[08:27] <sethk> phonics, run KDE   :)
[08:27] <ArrenLex> harrism: that file is in the package libsdl1.2debian-all.
[08:27] <phonics> basically, gnome-panel has started crashing a lot. However, GDM seems to be catching the 3-key-salute, and all my gnome processes are still alive
[08:27] <ArrenLex> KDE is life.
[08:27] <dragonfyre13> sethk: DEATH TO KDE!
[08:27] <ghostshadow189> hi all , i've just install icewm , but when i click to start menu i've to click again to open other menus , now i want to open submenu when my mouse foucus them
[08:27] <sethk> dragonfyre13, I like it, actually, but I wasn't seriously suggesting it.  :)
[08:27] <holycow> phonics, i have many gnome machines, none of them have done that
[08:27] <holycow> phonics, i'm betting you hosed your install
[08:27] <phonics> ArrenLex, if only i hadn't just ended a relationship with Debian sid and KDE, I might agree.
[08:27] <harrism> I have that one installed :/ would it matter if I am running amd 64 bit?
[08:27] <ghostshadow189> and how can i make icewm's font  bigger ?
[08:27] <holycow> either that or your running edgy and did something dumb
[08:27] <dragonfyre13> sethk: It's OK, just sparks a lot of debate when I put it down. ^_^
[08:27] <Mr> holycow
[08:28] <phonics> holycow, no and no
[08:28] <holycow> let me guess you tried compiling your own gnome and installing it right?
[08:28] <sethk> dragonfyre13, slow night.  :)
[08:28] <Flannel> ghostshadow189: #icewm is the best place to ask
[08:28] <Mr> I want to run a shell script and nothings happening whats wrong?
[08:28] <ghostshadow189> oh i didn't know that room :D
[08:28] <dragonfyre13> sethk: not really. I just get on here for fun anyway, and it I help newbies in the process, then great. ^_^
[08:28] <ArrenLex> harrism: is there a 64-bit mupen?
[08:28] <reverie> Morning guys
[08:28] <zachhale> which debootstrap do i want to use for manually installing ubuntu
[08:28] <sethk> harrism, if you have the library, then you have to adjust the library path so the program can find it.
[08:28] <ArrenLex> Mr: run it from the terminal. It may not be graphical.
[08:28] <dragonfyre13> reverie: evening reverie.
[08:29] <kmitch87> Mr: did you make the script executable
[08:29] <Flannel> !tell zachhale about install
[08:29] <DaveyJ> my sound vanished :( is there a way to reload the sound driver or module?
[08:29] <ArrenLex> sethk: the library is part of a debian package. It's set up properly.
[08:29] <Mr> no
[08:29] <Mr> how do i do that
[08:29] <reverie> I know it's not very polite to just come here and ask questions..
[08:29] <reverie> but I have a really, really strange problem with Dapper
[08:29] <phonics> holycow, i may have done something dumb, but precisely which action is quesitonable. I have not been trying to install my own gnome tho
[08:29] <ArrenLex> reverie: that's what we're here for! :D
[08:29] <cntb> DaveyJ: dont know try restart
[08:29] <dragonfyre13> reverie: Sitting at the ready!
[08:29] <zachhale> Flannel: that doesnt help me
[08:29] <holycow> phonics, allright i'll buy that for now although i'm giving you the evil eye
[08:30] <holycow> :)
[08:30] <sethk> ArrenLex, the only way to get that error is if the library is not in the library path (or it isn't there in the first place, or it is damaged)
[08:30] <zachhale> i'm already following the guide, but i'm not sure which debootstrap to use
[08:30] <reverie> dragonfyre13, at the ready? lol
[08:30] <dragonfyre13> cntb: restarts are for hardware installations.. ^_^
[08:30] <holycow> phonics, have you dist upgraded lately? what are  you running, dapper or edgy?
[08:30] <Mr> how do i make a shell script a exe
[08:30] <cntb> meaning in the past did nothing and it came back as for the exact reason dont know
[08:30] <Flannel> zachhale: you sure?  there's a deb... ah.  well, you could check the version in ubuntu, (packages.ubuntu.com)
[08:30] <cntb> hope it helps
[08:30] <harrism> don't see a 64 bit version, how can I go about adjusting the library path? I wonder if this is related.. when I migraged to my new machine I tried running a game I wrote in sdl but I had to compile it again first.. hm
[08:30] <zachhale> Flannel: there are udeb's and non-udebs
[08:30] <printk> Mr: still haven't ran the script?  Open a terminal.  Go to the script.  type "sudo chmod +x <script_file>" thne type "./<scriptfile"
[08:30] <kmitch87> Mr: chmod +x
[08:30] <ArrenLex> sethk: He's running an AMD64 system. If he has the wrong arch library, he'll get the same message.
[08:30] <dragonfyre13> reverie: sitting ready to answer your questions, so long as I know the answer, and feel like typing some more. ^_^
[08:31] <reverie> Dapper installs on my box, but it hangs (will get you the kernel error now) and sometimes after allt his my pc won't post when i reboot it
[08:31] <phonics> holycow, dapper - i'm done with experimental things! I'll admit I *have* been trying to switch from "ati" to "fglrx" lately, but it complains that i'm not running xorg 6.8 even tho it's suppose dot be for 7.0...
[08:31] <ArrenLex> harrism: so you're trying to run a 32-bit mupen on a 64-bit ubuntu?
[08:31] <reverie> "Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address "
[08:31] <sethk> ArrenLex, true
[08:31] <holycow> phonics, if its dapper do a dist-upgrade and see if anything is upgraded
[08:31] <dragonfyre13> harrism: that's just wrong.
[08:31] <Gabby_Hayes> ArrenLex  .. I just installed the defaults off of a dapper DVD  onto an AMD64 ... but haven't tried to do any 64-bit stuff, yet
[08:32] <ACU> guys, do you know how to use wget to get along with web the .rm realmedia webstream ?
[08:32] <holycow> phonics, are all your repos official or do you have custom stuff in there?
[08:32] <sethk> ArrenLex, I think he's knowlegable enough to have avoided that pitfall
[08:32] <ArrenLex> Gabby: what? o_o
[08:32] <phonics> holycow, i've dist-upgraded recently, I have universe and multiverse but that's it
[08:32] <dragonfyre13> ACU nope. Get streamripper.
[08:32] <holycow> ACU, just so that you know a .rm file is just a tiny pointer file that tells the player where the stream is
[08:32] <reverie> after this i have to re-seat my grfaphics card to get it to boot
[08:32] <holycow> you won't be able to grab a stream with wget
[08:32] <harrism> but it seems related to my other problem.. I had to recompile my raycaster to launch it. Does anyone kmnow of an N64 alternate?
[08:32] <reverie> there's no hardware issue i can see, as winxp runs just fine
[08:32] <holycow> you need an app that can suck in a rm stream and spit out a static file
[08:32] <ArrenLex> sethk: I quote: "harrism: don't see a 64 bit version," That means that something, somewhere, is 32-bit.
[08:32] <mikeh_> sethk: i am going to try the -386 kernel to see if it still does it
[08:32] <Robin1931> can anyone tell me how i uninstall a program which i installed with the binary? please pm me...thanks
[08:33] <sethk> reverie, that's a hardware issue.
[08:33] <sethk> mikeh_, good idea
[08:33] <holycow> phonics, allright.  now what does gdm do? what error message does it give you?
[08:33] <printk> Robin1931: sudo apt-get remove <package>
[08:33] <dragonfyre13> reverie: looking.
[08:33] <reverie> sethk, it onlydoes this when i try install linux
[08:33] <czer323> !bugreport
[08:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bugreport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:33] <zachhale> anyone know which debootstrap to use, debootstrap or debootstrap-udeb
[08:33] <reverie> even if i'm not in X, and I stop the X session completely it still hangs randomly
[08:33] <reverie> Knoppix runs just great
[08:34] <dragonfyre13> this is during post, during use, what?
[08:34] <dragonfyre13> reverie: this is during post, during use, what?
[08:34] <sethk> ArrenLex, actually I think he's running something that was linked against a different arch, or a different path.  remember that the library path can be compiled into the running binary
[08:34] <reverie> the kernel error is during use
[08:34] <raiXer> what is with this error? Error activating XKB configuration.
[08:34] <reverie> after i get this kernel issue\, sometimes, my box will not post when i reboot
[08:34] <phonics> holycow, it's not that GDM gives me an error, it's that if I do ctrl-alt-backspace i go to the GDM login and my gnome apps stay alive
[08:34] <reverie> my hardware is fine
[08:34] <reverie> this only seems to happen with dapper
[08:34] <sethk> ArrenLex, but you are probably correct, rereading what he said.
[08:34] <phonics> holycow, this makes logging in again problematic :)
[08:34] <dragonfyre13> reverie: use synaptic and reinstall the kernel. That worked for me way back when.
[08:34] <reverie> i've tried 64bit (its a 64bit cpu)
[08:34] <holycow> phonics, *umm*
[08:34] <ArrenLex> sethk: exactly, I think he's running a 32-bit mupen on a 64-bit system, which means his 32-bit mupen is looking for a 32-bit libsdl and finding a 64-bit it can't handle, causing that error.
[08:35] <se7enworth> hi. I put that line into fstab and did a reboot but still nothing mounted in /media
[08:35] <holycow> no your gnome apps don't stay alive
[08:35] <se7enworth> other than cd roms of course
[08:35] <holycow> infat
[08:35] <reverie> dragonfyre13, I can barely get into the box let alone get into aptitute
[08:35] <holycow> infact you that is exactly what is supposed to happen, restart x and bring you back to the login screen
[08:35] <phonics> holycow, huh?
[08:35] <SeraVitae> how can i determine where $JAVA_HOME is?
[08:35] <sethk> phonics, I'm not quite sure what you mean by gnome apps staying alive.  going to the gdm login when you press control-alt-backspace is exactly what is supposed to happen.
[08:35] <Robin1931> printK: that didn't work, i didn't install it using any package manager
[08:35] <reverie> are there known issues with nforce cfhipsets?
[08:35] <holycow> phonics, its impossible for gnome apps to stay alive, it doesn't happen
[08:35] <dragonfyre13> ArrenLex: sethk: wait, he's emulating a 32 bit system, to emulate a 64 bit system, all on a 64 bit system to begin with? That's just wrong.
[08:35] <phonics> holycow, sethk, correct, but they are still alive in the old session
[08:35] <reverie> its an nfroce 3 250 chipset
[08:35] <printk> Robin1931: oh well then you gotta remove it yourself
[08:36] <sethk> dragonfyre13, yes,
[08:36] <Nothing_About> Hey
[08:36] <dragonfyre13> reverie: try an earlier kernel. Is it a fresh install?
[08:36] <holycow> phonics, not possible, the session is destroyed upon key command
[08:36] <Nothing_About> can anyone help me out with a problem
[08:36] <phonics> holycow, tell that to my "ps x"
[08:36] <reverie> gpu is a geforce 6800gt
[08:36] <Robin1931> printk: how do u do that exactly?
[08:36] <reverie> dragonfyre13, fresh install
[08:36] <Nothing_About> OK im trying to install ubuntu
[08:36] <phonics> holycow, that's what I thought too!
[08:36] <printk> Robin1931: *shrugs* whereever you intalled it to, i guess rm it? :)
[08:36] <reverie> dragonfyre13, like, the install process hangs just after choosing language
[08:36] <Nothing_About> on my lame laptop
[08:36] <ArrenLex> dragonfyre: I couldn't call a Nintendo64 a "64-bit system" without laughing. Could you? =P
[08:36] <Nothing_About> 700mhz and 128 mb ram
[08:36] <holycow> so what happens when you try to log in?
[08:36] <dragonfyre13> reverie: ah.
[08:36] <reverie> i had to use the DVD version of dapper to do a text only install
[08:36] <se7enworth> anybody got any other suggestions about mounting hda1 pls?
[08:36] <Nothing_About> problem is
[08:36] <se7enworth> ntfs volume?
[08:37] <ArrenLex> !enter
[08:37] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[08:37] <Nothing_About> i didnt know it goes into live cd mode
[08:37] <phonics> holycow, panel fails to start, settings act weird, none of the panel applets work...
[08:37] <sethk> reverie, try getting into the box in text mode, and doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:37] <dragonfyre13> reverie: ah. You've tried doing the integrity check, and burning a new disk and stuff right?
[08:37] <Robin1931> printk: i searched my drive for 'firefox' and deleted the dir it found but firefox will still run
[08:37] <dragonfyre13> reverie: cause you're looking at a kernel error.
[08:37] <Flannel> Nothing_About: you want the alternate ISO, not the desktop
[08:37] <Gabby_Hayes> Nothing_About  .. do you see an "install" icon on the desktop?
[08:37] <captine> ArrenLex: sorry to bug, but reiserfsck --rebuild-sb is asking me questions and i don't know answers i.e. enter block size??? do i just use defaults?
[08:37] <dfgas> do voodoo cards works in linux? (still)
[08:37] <Nothing_About> yeh
[08:37] <Nothing_About> problem is
[08:37] <reverie> dragonfyre13, yep, i had origional cds from shippiit
[08:37] <dragonfyre13> dfgas: yes.
[08:37] <holycow> phonics, my guesstimate is that you borked something and don't realize it ... at this point i personally would decide to reinstall and get the system back to a nice even playing ground.
[08:37] <phonics> holycow, right now i'm using console login so the 3-key-salute can mean something again :)
[08:37] <Nothing_About> it is still loading
[08:37] <reverie> this happens on the 32bit and 64bit versions of Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[08:38] <Nothing_About> and it has cut out my monitor
[08:38] <holycow> tracking something like that down would take more work than its worth imho
[08:38] <ArrenLex> captine: I don't know anything about reiserfs. I don't want to say anything for fear of steering you wrong. Sorry. = /
[08:38] <Nothing_About> and now i have no signal
[08:38] <phonics> holycow, i've only had it installed for like 3 weeks
[08:38] <dragonfyre13> reverie: ok, and you tried the media check function on the CD?
[08:38] <sethk> captine, reiserfs is unstable when used as a root file system.
[08:38] <Flannel> Nothing_About: You want the alternate CD, its a  nice textmode installer, etc
[08:38] <reverie> dragonfyre13, yep
[08:38] <ChocoCid> i actually have ctrlaltdel in metacity set to bring up gnome-system-manager
[08:38] <captine> ArrenLex: cool.  shot :)
[08:38] <printk> Robin1931: i suggest getting support through firefox themselves.  But if you say firefox is stilling running it's in your $PATH.  SO I'd check /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin to start with
[08:38] <sethk> captine, best to not use it that way (or not use it at all)
[08:38] <Mr> Ummm
[08:38] <dfgas> dragonfyre13, cool, its going in my newer server i am getting
[08:38] <holycow> phonics, yeah well, you can have it installed for 3 minutes and still do something to bork it, just a suggestion anyway
[08:38] <dragonfyre13> reverie: I got a bad burn once, from shipit, so...
[08:38] <Nothing_About> yeh problem i dont know what to do
[08:38] <captine> Anyone able to help with Reiserfsck???
[08:38] <Mr> I still been trying to run it
[08:38] <dragonfyre13> dfgas: sounds good!
[08:38] <Nothing_About> since its still loading the live cd
[08:38] <phonics> holycow, i totally agree with the too much effort analysis :)
[08:38] <Mr> type "sudo chmod +x <script_file>" thne type "./<scriptfile"
[08:38] <Nothing_About> and my monitor has no signal
[08:38] <Nothing_About> should i leave it
[08:38] <Mr> for script file i put file.ss
[08:38] <Mr> ?
[08:38] <ArrenLex> Robin: what problem are you having with firefox?
[08:38] <Nothing_About> and maybe it will start working
[08:38] <Robin1931> printk: i'll have a look in those dirs, tnank you
[08:39] <dragonfyre13> reverie: are you doing anything screwy, hardware wise?
[08:39] <printk> Mr: whatever the name of the script is
[08:39] <Nothing_About> or do something else
[08:39] <Flannel> Nothing_About: just power down, not going to break anyting ;)
[08:39] <se7enworth> thx you guys are a great help
[08:39] <kmitch87> Nothing_About: only thing to do is to turn it off
[08:39] <captine> sethk: problem is, my machine was running slackware.  the drive that is in reiser format is my home drive, with all doc's etc
[08:39] <Dyegov> I need someone to help me with my resolution, it's only 640x480 :(
[08:39] <Nothing_About> ok
[08:39] <phonics> holycow, but part of the reason I even use linux is to track down problems like this and make sure nobody else gets rammed by them
[08:39] <reverie> dragonfyre13, yeah, ive tired 4 cds here, and the same cds have installed fine on other machines
[08:39] <Gabby_Hayes> Nothing_About  .. reboot, and choose a text install
[08:39] <Nothing_About> is there a way i can install the linux without going to live cd
[08:39] <Flannel> !tell Dyegov about fixres
[08:39] <Nothing_About> text install
[08:39] <holycow> phonics, ditto, i love being able to solve problems
[08:39] <Flannel> Nothing_About: alternate ISO
[08:39] <sethk> captine, at this point, you have to recover it, granted.  afterwards, it would be a good idea to ditch it.
[08:39] <dragonfyre13> reverie: hmmmmm.
[08:39] <sethk> captine, you have to say yes to all the questions, normally.
[08:39] <phonics> holycow, so how do these friggin processes stay alive??? :(
[08:39] <sethk> captine, if you want to ask about a specific prompt, go ahead.
[08:40] <captine> sethk: what about the block size thing?
[08:40] <holycow> phonics, ironically, because everything is free reinstalling just is easier on linux than on certain other platforms
[08:40] <Nothing_About> ok well is there any commands i must type while in text install
[08:40] <Nothing_About> to start things up
[08:40] <phonics> holycow, so true
[08:40] <Nothing_About> because im very new to the linux world
[08:40] <sethk> captine, sorry, I didn't see it, can you write it again?
[08:40] <Nothing_About> and not sure on how to install linux
[08:40] <Flannel> Nothing_About: you'll have to hit enter at the beginning, because there are different install types
[08:40] <dragonfyre13> reverie: OK, well as far as hardware, the only thing that the CD is touching should be the CD, RAM, and the display. No hard drive, or anything else.
[08:40] <Nothing_About> ok
[08:40] <holycow> phonics, well i don't thinkt hey stay alive i think they get restarted in the background along with gdm and x
[08:40] <Gabby_Hayes> Nothing_About  ... the CD will have choices
[08:40] <Lilandra> Hi all
[08:40] <sethk> Nothing_About, when you choose the text mode install, it will prompt you
[08:40] <Nothing_About> yes ive seen
[08:40] <BluR> !info python-apt
[08:40] <dragonfyre13> reverie: do a ram check, though you've probably already done one, and let it run a few times through.
[08:40] <reverie> dragonfyre13, yeah
[08:40] <ubotu> python-apt: Python interface to libapt-pkg. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 15 kB, installed size 116 kB
[08:41] <holycow> phonics,  but i've not really hacked around that kinda thing a lot so hard to tell.  gnome devs might be able to give more detailed info
[08:41] <Robin1931> printk: there was a firefox file in /usr/bin/ :)
[08:41] <Nothing_About> ok so turn off my laptop
[08:41] <Nothing_About> and start install again
[08:41] <Tru7h> What are the advantages of booting up in safe graphics mode?
[08:41] <captine> sethk: it is asking me what block size  to use (after i typed reiserfsck --rebuild-sb).  It has [4096]  as a recommendation
[08:41] <Flannel> Nothing_About: it walks you through it pretty well.  And, worst case is you did something wrong, and you can fix it, or install again ;)  Most people reinstall after a month once theyve figured stuff out, to undo all the mistakes ;)
[08:41] <reverie> dragonfyre13, ran memtest86 , all fine for about 10 passes
[08:41] <holycow> phonics, just because you see them doesn't meen they haven't restarted
[08:41] <dragonfyre13> reverie: hmmmmmm.
[08:41] <reverie> dragonfyre13, also this ONLY ever happens with Dapper
[08:41] <Robin1931> firefox seems to be gone, thank you :D
[08:41] <Flannel> Tru7h: none of your gnome startup stuff is run, if you have a bad script or whatnot
[08:41] <printk> Robin1931: np
[08:41] <sethk> phonics, specifically, which processes stay alive?
[08:41] <TWiSTEDSO> hi all , i want to run higher resolution than 1024 , how do i add more modes ?
[08:41] <Nothing_About> ok
[08:41] <Mr> its not working
[08:41] <Nothing_About> so when i have the menu pop up
[08:41] <Nothing_About> before install
[08:41] <Lilandra> Is there a PPC linux/ubuntu specific channel?
[08:41] <Nothing_About> i press a key
[08:41] <reverie> dragonfyre13, so i'm guessing its the kernel release conflicts with some hardware, i even tried booting the cd without having my tv card, sndcard and nic installed
[08:41] <Nothing_About> to stop count down
[08:41] <printk> Mr: what's not working about it?  what kind of script is this?
[08:42] <ArrenLex> TWiSTEDSO: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and add more resolutions. Or else edit your /etc/x11/xorg.conf and add them manually.
[08:42] <Nothing_About> then i choose text install
[08:42] <Gabby_Hayes> Tru7h  ... you can get what packages or drivers you need installed, then go to a regular mode.
[08:42] <Nothing_About> and follow the prompts
[08:42] <kmitch87> TWiStEDSO: does your monitor support higher modes?
[08:42] <sethk> Mr,  give us some context, look at the rate questions fly about here.
[08:42] <Flannel> Nothing_About: no, no.  this is an entire other disk, Alternate ISO, you have the Desktop ISO
[08:42] <phonics> holycow, sethk, all of them seem to - bonobo-activation, gnome-* etc
[08:42] <printk> Mr: you might need to seek help from the authors of lampp... what is lampp... I don't think it's in ubuntu
[08:42] <Nothing_About> ok
[08:42] <sethk> phonics, that's not necessarily wrong
[08:42] <Nothing_About> so i cant go into desktop iso and install in text mode
[08:42] <phonics> holycow, sethk, I haven't been rigorous enough to track tho
[08:42] <reverie> dragonfyre13, it just behaves weirdly, i did get into X a few times after the installation went through eventually, i try run something simple like xterm or whatever, and it just dissapears
[08:42] <dragonfyre13> reverie: file a bug report is the only thing I can think of. It's not a hardware issue, it's a kernel issue. It's trying to write to a non-existant area. Does this only happen on the live CD, or with the text based installer?
[08:42] <Lilandra> anybody?
[08:42] <Flannel> Nothing_About: correct.  the desktop ISO is a liveCd primarily
[08:42] <sethk> phonics, it's normal for the corba layer and other middleware to continue to run.
[08:42] <Flannel> Lilandra: nope, this is it.
[08:43] <Lilandra> oh ok
[08:43] <Nothing_About> ok
[08:43] <phonics> sethk, what??? aren't the child procs?
[08:43] <ArrenLex> Wow, lots of people are talking today. My head hurts from trying to keep up.
[08:43] <phonics> sethk, s/the/they
[08:43] <reverie> dragonfyre13, the text based installer seems to install with no errors
[08:43] <Lilandra> does anybody know about appletouch?
[08:43] <kmitch87> Nothing_About: at the boot prompt try safe mode
[08:43] <Nothing_About> but if i download the alternate iso , will i have any problems with my monitor while install
[08:43] <sethk> phonics, not all, no.  what problem do you think these processes are causing?
[08:43] <holycow> phonics, actually no they aren't
[08:43] <dragonfyre13> reverie: It's a liveCD kernel issue.
[08:43] <Nothing_About> what safe graphical mode
[08:43] <ArrenLex> Lilandra: you can run it using the synaptics touchpad driver, but it will have only basic functionality.
[08:43] <Flannel> Nothing_About: probably not, no.
[08:43] <Mr> sudo chmod <lampp> ./home/jones/desktop/lampp is what i put and it says no such file or dir
[08:43] <reverie> dragonfyre13, but the kernel dapper boots with after the installer isn't the livecd kernel surely?
[08:43] <Nothing_About> ok
[08:44] <Lilandra> how about the dragging of the cursor? can i fix that?
[08:44] <phonics> holycow, sethk you guys are rocking my world.
[08:44] <Tru7h> Nothing_About: From what they've just told me, it's used for installing drivers and such while avoiding bad scripts.
[08:44] <Nothing_About> how much Ram does this linux require
[08:44] <Flannel> Mr: have you read the lamp howto page?
[08:44] <printk> Mr: no no that's wrong
[08:44] <Flannel> Nothing_About: you actually might want to consider xubuntu, instead of ubuntu
[08:44] <phonics> holycow, sethk, the problem is that I never have a normal session again, i have to restart gdm
[08:44] <ArrenLex> Lilandra: have you googled?
[08:44] <Gabby_Hayes> Nothing_About  .. ubuntu at it's first graphics screen will have about 4-5 menus choices ... pick safe mode,  or the text mode
[08:44] <Lilandra> yes but they're confusing
[08:44] <Lilandra> i mean i'm confused.
[08:44] <dragonfyre13> reverie: Sorry, I meant Default kernel issue. The kernel that the livecd boots with is the same one that it installs initially, but just recompiled for livecd use.
[08:44] <kyja> lol
[08:44] <Nothing_About> so whats the difference with xubuntu and ubuntu ?
[08:44] <kyja> !test again
[08:44] <ubotu> Failed again.
[08:44] <Lilandra> and i'm not too sure what i'm confused about.
[08:44] <printk> Mr: don't actually use < > in the file name unless it's called <lamp> and no need to use ./ < notice the period.  The period is only if you're in the present working directory.  If you supply the full path /home/blah/blah then that's all you type to run it
[08:45] <reverie> dragonfyre13, ah ok
[08:45] <ArrenLex> Lilandra: what are you confused by? If you give us a link to a tutorial, we might be able to explain it.
[08:45] <ChocoCid> xubuntu uses XCFE instead of GNOME
[08:45] <Lilandra> i will try again and come back with specific answers
[08:45] <holycow> phonics, the problem in tracking down the root of your issue is that you need to track back to a mysterious something that happened to your setup.
[08:45] <Nothing_About> brb
[08:45] <Flannel> Nothing_About: xfce instead of gnome, it's more lightweight.  (the window manager, the main GUI thing)
[08:45] <Nothing_About> need to check on laptop
[08:45] <Dyegov> I need to fix my resolution because it's 680x460 and what the bot told me didn't work :(
[08:45] <ChocoCid> basically, the window manager isn't as large so it'll take less memory to run
[08:45] <Lilandra> ArrenLex: I will try again and see where I get stopped
[08:45] <holycow> i say stop worrying and reinstall.  if it happens again you will have a base experience to further track it down if it happens again
[08:45] <reverie> dragonfyre13, if its any help, the thing that made my box not post after it hung was when i tried booting with nolapic noapic
[08:45] <ArrenLex> Dyegov: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:45] <phonics> holycow, well, i haven't done too much outside of aptitude tho, so that shouldn't be *too* hard
[08:45] <BluR> !info ifrename
[08:45] <ubotu> ifrename: Rename network interfaces based on various static criteria. In component universe, is optional. Version 27+28pre13-1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 51 kB, installed size 176 kB
[08:45] <TWiSTEDSO> do i need to restart xserver for adding new modes ?
[08:45] <ArrenLex> Dyegov: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:46] <BluR> !info iproute
[08:46] <ubotu> iproute: Professional tools to control the networking in Linux kernels. In component main, is important. Version 20041019-4ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 949 kB, installed size 1512 kB
[08:46] <kmitch87> TWiSTEDSO: yes
[08:46] <ArrenLex> TWiSTEDSO: yes
[08:46] <ArrenLex> xD
[08:46] <printk> Mr: if you type ./home/blah/blah that means whatever directory i'm in now, go to home/blah/blah from there..  so don't use the period.
[08:46] <Mr> it says go to linux shell and login as the system admin root where that at?
[08:46] <andrew__1> Hey pals, I just rebooted my server and now mysql has the error "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)" I'm using Ubuntu 6.06 and mysql-4.1
[08:46] <dragonfyre13> reverie: it's conflicting with your hardware in some way give the output of dmesg on the other linux distro on the machine with the bugreport, as well as what you just told me. Specifically how you got it to not post. They should be able to figure it out.
[08:46] <BluR> !info bc
[08:46] <ubotu> bc: The GNU bc arbitrary precision calculator language. In component main, is optional. Version 1.06-19ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 64 kB, installed size 188 kB
[08:46] <printk> Mr: ok type "sudo /home/path/to/script" to run it, if it needs to be ran as root
[08:46] <dragonfyre13> reverie: as much as I hate it, I'm not familiar with the kernel code for ubuntu yet.
[08:46] <holycow> Mr, there is no root in ubuntu first so thats one bit of the confusion
[08:46] <phonics> sethk, holycow should I take this to #gnome?
[08:47] <holycow> Mr, second, it the terminal undr apps / accessoreis / terminal
[08:47] <printk> Mr: I really suggest reading some beginner tutorials on common linux commands etc....
[08:47] <phonics> holycow, sethk or is this an ubuntu issue?
[08:47] <holycow> Mr, third instead of logging in as root just type sudo before every command,that will execute it as root
[08:47] <reverie> dragonfyre13, thanks though, i appreciate the effort ;)
[08:47] <dragonfyre13> reverie: you could install it, and then grab the kernel off on the other distro, then just do a replace.
[08:47] <Flannel> Mr: Ubuntu has a nice howto on installing LAMP, and I'm sure there's one on Perl, that should do it for you, right?
[08:47] <Flannel> !tell Mr about lamp
[08:47] <printk> well there is root in ubuntu, just no password set by default
[08:47] <reverie> if i could just get the box stable enough to upgrade the kerenel i think that would help
[08:47] <holycow> phonics, no i really think this is a phonics issue ... i don't really get why you want to spend time tracking down something you did :)
[08:47] <dragonfyre13> the kernel off the ubuntu repo that is.
[08:47] <dragonfyre13> reverie the kernel off the ubuntu repo that is.
[08:47] <Nothing_About> ok
[08:47] <Nothing_About> im back
[08:48] <reverie> dragonfyre13, yeah that was the first thing i tried to apt-get :)
[08:48] <Nothing_About> well the laptop is still trying to run ubuntu
[08:48] <Nothing_About> but no luck
[08:48] <holycow> phonics, i mean that jokingly of course :)
[08:48] <zachhale> anyone know a livecd with the 2.6.18 kernel that i can install the debootstrap from?
[08:48] <ArrenLex> !enter > Nothing_About
[08:48] <Nothing_About> so i will download xubuntu
[08:48] <dragonfyre13> reverie:  that would likely fix it. Just replace it manually.
[08:48] <Gabby_Hayes> beauty sleep time ... thanks for all the help .... take care ... have fun ...
[08:48] <reverie> well lets hope she boots
[08:48] <Nothing_About> enter what ?
[08:49] <phonics> holycow, i'd normally agree! but i've sworn off trying to have a useful commputer that I hack to bits, so this install is pretty clean
[08:49] <ArrenLex> Nothing_About: the enter key. Stop using it like a comma.
[08:49] <reverie> brb
[08:49] <dragonfyre13> reverie: if not, what are you out? It's not like you took a step back.... ^_^
[08:49] <Nothing_About> ok
[08:49] <holycow> phonics, i beg to differ considreing your issues
[08:49] <dragonfyre13> reverie: ohhhhhh. I forgot, bad post.
[08:49] <ChocoCid> Nothing_About : do you already have normal ubuntu installed?
[08:49] <mikeh_> how do i know if i am using both processors on my moboard
[08:50] <holycow> phonics, your issues do not poitn to anything but you ... just going by my set of experiences :)  i believe you really think its clean but i'm betting you changed something somewhere without remembering :)
[08:50] <Nothing_About> no im in the process of installing ubuntu
[08:50] <holycow> hehe
[08:50] <ChocoCid> ah, ok
[08:50] <ChocoCid> yeah, it's definitely a good idea to get xubuntu if you have a low-power system
[08:50] <ArrenLex> mikeh: cat /proc/cpuinfo. If you see two entries, you're using two processors.
[08:50] <ArrenLex> mikeh: if you only see one, install an -smp kernel.
[08:50] <Nothing_About> but the live cd started insted of an option where i can choose to install ubuntu without going into live cd mode
[08:50] <Mr> wow
[08:50] <ChocoCid> the live cd is supposed to start up
[08:50] <dragonfyre13> ChocoCid: xubuntu is nice. I'd recommend it even to someone who had a mid powered system.
[08:50] <holycow> phonics, as well setting up another 'clean' install and watching for this issue is actually a good way to trouble shoot it to be honest
[08:51] <ChocoCid> dragonfyre13 : i tried it, didn't like xcfe - or kde
[08:51] <Mr> So what do you recomend i do now since it doesnt have root
[08:51] <Tru7h> Is it normal for Ubuntu to take about a half hour to boot up from a live CD on an old machine?
[08:51] <holycow> Mr, *ummm* i told you
[08:51] <holycow> Mr, there is NO NEED for root
[08:51] <Tru7h> Half hour and counting, that is.
[08:51] <ChocoCid> !rootsudo > mr
[08:51] <mikeh_> AreenLex: can i use SMP on -386 kernel
[08:51] <holycow> root was not made accessible for a reason, to protect you from your self
[08:51] <holycow> noobs are notorious for hosing their systems
[08:51] <dream> how do i remove the blank screensaver on dapper?
[08:51] <dragonfyre13> ChocoCid: I don't personally like KDE, though some of the apps are great. I do like XFCE once it's modded though. Oh, and I have to have Thunar file manager. Can't deal with Rox.
[08:52] <ChocoCid> Nothing_About : if you already have the ubuntu live cd, you can install it and then install xubuntu-desktop afterwards
[08:52] <holycow> Mr, like mikeh_ said, just type in sudo before each command that needs to be executed as root
[08:52] <Nothing_About> the thing is i dont know why but while it was loading the live cd , on my laptop my monitor just lost signal i didnt know what process was trying to run while kernal was loading
[08:52] <dragonfyre13> ChocoCid: oh, by the way, Gnome still blows both out of the water.
[08:52] <ArrenLex> mikeh: no; only -686 kernels are available with smp.
[08:52] <holycow> Mr, as well, i already told you this, i don't like repeating my self
[08:52] <Mr> Ok
[08:52] <ChocoCid> GNOME is hotness :D
[08:52] <Nothing_About> yeh but how do i install ubuntu without going into live cd
[08:52] <dragonfyre13> reverie: did it post?
[08:52] <kmitch87> dream: System ---> Preferences ----> Screensaver
[08:52] <Mr> whats the extention for shell script
[08:52] <Nothing_About> and ive tried the first option on the menu
[08:52] <ChocoCid> uh, you probably missed the screen with options
[08:52] <dragonfyre13> Mr: sh
[08:52] <dream> there is no screensaver in preferences
[08:52] <Nothing_About> and thats just went onto live cd
[08:52] <ChocoCid> it's got like 30 seconds to make a choice between 5 options, if you do nothing then it'll go to the default
[08:52] <printk> Mr: please try to pay attention, this channel is full of text.  If you're going to ask a question pay attention.  Many people told you many times to use sudo before the command
[08:52] <holycow> Nothing_About, download the alternate cd and use the other installer
[08:53] <kmitch87> dream: yea, there should be
[08:53] <holycow> Nothing_About, alternate cd has the old di installer, its fantastic, although ugly
[08:53] <reverie> damn
[08:53] <dream> i dont see it in dapper
[08:53] <reverie> still wont post
[08:53] <holycow> guaranteed to install on your machine provided it composed of supported hardware components
[08:53] <dream> kmitch, are you on dapper?
[08:53] <kmitch87> dream: i'm on edgy
[08:53] <Nothing_About> so i cant install ubuntu without going into live cd mode is that right ?
[08:53] <Tru7h> Nothing_About: That's right.
[08:53] <kmitch87> dream:  I don't think it should have changed though...
[08:53] <ArrenLex> Nothing_About: wrong. You just need to download a different CD.
[08:53] <holycow> Mr, on linux things don't really need extensions
[08:53] <dragonfyre13> reverie: take everything but  the MOBO, RAM out, and try. And go over to #Hardware. they are kick butt over there.