[00:36] <asac> ha ... midbrowser in action :) http://linuxdevices.com/files/misc/wind_river_moblin_ldss.png
[00:37] <asac> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8446435808.html
[00:37] <asac> :)
[09:48] <asac> i think i know why i feel so tired ;)
[09:49] <asac> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam-bugs/2008-June/date.html
[09:49] <asac> ubuntu-mozillteam-bugs received ~1k mails from 1 jun 00:00:00 - 6 jun 10:00:00
[11:20] <gnomefreak> asac: are you getting Uncaught bounce notifications in your email?
[11:20] <gnomefreak> i get over 30 a day from same email is there a way to stop this?
[11:31] <gnomefreak> ah fixed it :). ok i unsubscribed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>from bug mailing list to fix the uncaught bounces. i wish there was a perm way to do it but the settings for bounces should have caught it but failed to disable his subscription
[11:32] <asac> gnomefreak: no idea ...i get 100 of those each and every day
[11:33] <asac> they directly to go to /dev/null
[11:34] <gnomefreak> asac: it should stop as of now
[11:34] <asac> ok
[11:34] <gnomefreak> i havent counted all of them but everytime i open email there is a shit load of them there
[11:34] <asac> are you using the offline/online tweak now?
[11:35] <asac> gnomefreak: can you please dump bluekuja from admins and add fta?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> asac: something doesnt make sense on bug 49613 it works with windows and fails with Ubuntu and the pic that is above the menu isnt flash at all
[11:35] <gnomefreak> asac: yep what list?
[11:35] <asac> gnomefreak: mozillateam?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> asac: ok
[11:36] <asac> gnomefreak: not list, but launchpad team
[11:36] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[11:36] <gnomefreak> though fta was admin but will check and add
[11:37] <asac> gnomefreak: no he isnt ... as of the day before yesterday
[11:38] <gnomefreak> asac: fta is now admin
[11:38] <gnomefreak> and bluekuja has been removed from admin
[11:40] <gnomefreak> i think im gonna make my gnomefreak address IMAP today
[11:40] <asac> thanks
[11:40] <gnomefreak> since biggest part of mail goes to ubuntu.ase
[11:40] <asac> fta: ^^
[11:40] <gnomefreak> asac: anytime
[11:41] <gnomefreak> crap i forgot to send final comment on the above bug but it should be there soon as i just sent it
[11:41] <asac> gnomefreak: all flash bugs need to be assigned to flashplugin-nonfree :)
[11:41] <asac> just to remind you
[11:41] <gnomefreak> something wrong with that bug or upstream didnt fix it or the fix hasnt landed
[11:41] <asac> none of those needs to stay on firefox-3.0 :)
[11:41] <gnomefreak> asac: it is assigned to that
[11:41] <asac> ok ok
[11:41] <asac> fine then
[11:42] <gnomefreak> its not a flash issue though
[11:42] <gnomefreak> unless our flash package is totally messed up
[11:42] <asac> gnomefreak: further, you should really invalidate any kind of website brokenness
[11:42] <asac> like i do
[11:42] <asac> unless its really a firefox bug ;)
[11:42] <asac> point them to Help -> Report a Broken Web Site menu entry
[11:42] <gnomefreak> asac: problem is its not "one" side
[11:42] <gnomefreak> dite
[11:42] <gnomefreak> site
[11:44] <gnomefreak> asac: see users comment above mine as he tested Vista and Ubuntu one works other doesnt, maybe it is our build of firefox?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> be back in a few time for a smoke
[11:50] <asac> well ... dont care too much about flash
[11:50] <asac> personally id say that flashplugin-nonfree is a bug sink where noone should really attempt to triage individual bugs unless we find a way
[11:50] <asac> to properly forward these upstream to adobe
[11:50] <gnomefreak> we will never find a way since we cant get any usefull crash info
[11:51] <gnomefreak> there isnt a real or a real good upstream bug tracker that i have found
[11:51] <asac> right
[11:51] <asac> thats why: just dont followup on bugs that already sank in flashplugin-nonfree package
[11:51] <gnomefreak> it cant be an upstream issue anyway and i am highly doubtful its even flash
[11:52] <asac> just invalidate firefox targets if any
[11:52] <gnomefreak> they are fix released
[11:52] <asac> gnomefreak: the flashplugin rendered on top thing?
[11:52] <asac> thats a flash issue for sure
[11:52] <asac> mozilla has added its part to fix this
[11:52] <asac> now adobe needs to use those features
[11:52] <asac> (thats why its fix released on mozilla side)
[11:52] <gnomefreak> asac: yes that bug. how can it be than it should fail on windows version of firefox
[11:52] <asac> afaik, adobe added support for that on windows, but not on linux
[11:53] <gnomefreak> that could be a good reason than
[11:53] <asac> gnomefreak: as i said: if its flash its flash ... not firefox
[11:53] <asac> there might be exceptions ... but in general thats true ;)
[11:53] <gnomefreak> flash 10 hasnt had upstream fix
[11:54] <asac> nope
[11:54] <asac> hopefully final will get that
[11:54] <gnomefreak> does it fail in gnash as well?
[11:54] <gnomefreak> maybe if it does we can fix it in gnash atleast
[12:12] <fta> hi
[12:13] <gnomefreak> hi
[12:14]  * gnomefreak wonders why people dont serach ubuntu for the package before spending days trying to find a tarball of it
[12:32] <asac> hehe
[12:32] <asac> unix mentality
[12:47] <fta> i wonder if it would be possible to fake the dbgsym in ppa.. lack of dbgsym debs is bothering me
[12:54] <fta> maybe a post install rule could do it
[13:30] <fta> asac, damn
[13:30] <fta> Setting up xulrunner-1.9 (1.9~rc2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta4) ...
[13:30] <fta> /var/lib/dpkg/info/xulrunner-1.9.postinst: line 6: test: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1a1pre/.autoreg: binary operator expected
[13:30] <fta>         if test -e /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9*/.autoreg; then
[13:30] <fta>                 touch /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9*/.autoreg
[13:30] <fta>         fi
[13:30] <fta> we should not use a * here
[13:31] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2008-06-05 23:35 /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1a1pre/.autoreg
[13:31] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2008-06-03 16:57 /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/.autoreg
[13:35] <asac> fta: which packages need to touch that?
[13:35] <fta> that's postinst from xul
[13:36] <asac> fta: well ... i think extensions or at least chrome extension packages need to touch that
[13:37] <asac> to tell xulrunner to redo stuff
[13:37] <fta> perhaps, but the "*" is evil here
[13:39] <fta> we could touch /usr/lib/xulrunner-`xulrunner-1.9 --gre-version`/.autoreg instead
[13:40] <asac> fta: we should provide a binary in  /usr/sbin/xul19-touch-autoreg
[13:40] <asac> :)
[13:41] <asac> and in .postinst do:
[13:41] <asac> if test -x /usr/sbin/xul19-touch-autoreg; then
[13:41] <asac>   /usr/sbin/xul19-touch-autoreg
[13:41] <asac> fi
[13:41] <asac> maybe we can inject that snippet into extension packages through mozilla-devscripts?
[13:42] <fta> yes
[13:44] <fta> [reed], is there a websvn on mozilla.org ?
[13:44] <fta> [reed], i want to see revisions but svn.mozilla.org doesn't show them
[15:00] <Admiral_Chicago> going to go back for my Easy BCD
[15:01] <Admiral_Chicago> gah...wrong window again..
[15:04] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: welcome
[16:18] <[reed]> fta: viewvc.svn.mozilla.org
[16:20] <fta> thx
[17:19] <bdmurray> asac: at one point in time we had talked about some changes to the mozilla team's bug policies.  Is that right?
[20:24] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/css3-selectors.png
[20:30] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/acid3.png
[22:17] <asac> bdmurray: did you see the spec i am drafting?
[22:17] <asac> bdmurray: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/UpstreamBugProceduresIntrepid
[22:18] <bdmurray> asac: looking now
[22:20] <asac> bdmurray: thats more about upstream forwarding ... but given that the goal is to forward all bugs that are valid upstream, its basically the goal we can align the general bug procedures for
[22:22] <bdmurray> asac: I've been wanting to have a firefox hug day but was concerned about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/States and the level of complication there
[22:29] <asac> bdmurray: sure. how to improve this? write another spec?
[22:29] <asac> or have a call next week?
[22:30] <bdmurray> A call or meeting might be helpful.  Is that something you wanted to change?
[22:30] <Jazzva> asac: Are we gonna go for that Mozilla Team meeting soon? It's no hurry, just to know...
[22:30] <asac> bdmurray: the bug procedures? sure. thats what i said at UDS. its still valid.
[22:31] <bdmurray> asac: okay, great I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.
[22:31] <asac> Jazzva: which meeting? i remember that you wanted to raise something.
[22:31] <asac> Jazzva: what was the agenda item?
[22:32] <asac> sorry if i forgot something ;)
[22:32] <Jazzva> The first one is about moving extensions-related pages on MT wiki to something like MozillaTeam/Extensions/
[22:32] <Jazzva> The second ... I would have to look into a log :). Give me a second
[22:34] <asac> hehe
[22:34] <asac> yeah. great. lets do the meeting in week 26?
[22:35] <asac> e.g. 2 weeks from now? ... send out announcement, blog about it this week
[22:35] <asac> that should give people up front 1.5 weeks to align there schedule
[22:35] <Jazzva> asac: The second was the new members procedure for extensions team...
[22:36] <asac> yeah thats good.
[22:36] <Jazzva> asac: Is it possible to have it on 29.06? I have an important exam on 28th.
[22:36] <Jazzva> (28th is Saturday)
[22:36] <asac> err, i ment week 25 :)
[22:37] <asac> looked in the long line
[22:37] <Jazzva> Ok... week 25 is cool :)
[22:37] <asac> anyway 29 is fine for me too
[22:37] <asac> so weekend?
[22:37] <Jazzva> Fine by me.
[22:37] <asac> choose whatever you like and announce it on the mailing list and CC all current team members (mozillateam/extensions team)
[22:38] <asac> sorry ... have to run for a few
[22:38] <asac> bbi a minute
[22:38] <Jazzva> asac: Ok... We do meetings in the evening?
[22:46] <asac> Jazzva: depends on the day. i think fri and sat having a meeting in the evening might be unfortunate
[22:46] <asac> sunday evenig sounds reasonable
[22:47] <Jazzva> hmm... So, are we gonna do 22nd (Sunday) 20:00 GMT+1?
[22:47] <Jazzva> or 21st, in the afternoon?
[22:47] <asac> Jazzva: what is GMT+1? i am currenty in GMT+2 :)
[22:48] <Jazzva> Ok... GMT+2 :)
[22:48] <asac> but anyway, i am fine with 22nd evening
[22:48] <asac> okay dokay
[22:48] <Jazzva> (right... UTC is the one that is not changing)
[22:49] <asac> you wanna send announce? i could do that too, but would prefer to forward that info in my blog :)
[22:49] <asac> Jazzva: send announcement out as discussed and tell people that they can suggest agenda items
[22:49] <asac> either by sending mail to you, mailing list or adding it to wiki page :-D
[22:49] <Jazzva> asac: Ok. Great :)
[22:50] <asac> Jazzva: maybe check with fta and gnomefreak if they can attend
[22:50] <asac> but as i said before, we probably wont get a time that fits all
[22:50] <Jazzva> fta? ^
[22:50] <Jazzva> I'll mail gnomefreak first...
[22:50] <Jazzva> That should be good time. It would be Sunday afternoon in his timezone, I think...
[22:52] <asac> yep
[22:52] <asac> i think all good
[22:52] <Jazzva> Ok, I'll just wait till tomorrow morning, to see if he replys
[22:52] <Jazzva> s/replys/replies/
[23:09] <fta> hi
[23:09] <fta> hm, for the meeting, i don't know when i'm supposed to leave for the US, yet
[23:10] <fta> is that an irc meeting ? a call ?
[23:12] <asac> irc
[23:14] <fta> asac, btw, i've landed a bunch of stuff in mozclient today
[23:15] <fta> http://alex.polvi.net/2008/06/05/state-of-the-add-ons-report-june-5th/
[23:21] <asac> fta: yeah ... saw commits
[23:21] <asac> not details though ;/
[23:24] <asac> fta: does MOZCLIENT_TAREXCLUDE make sense? shouldnt that be MOZCLIENT_TAREXCLUDE_ONTOP ?
[23:24] <asac> i'd guess that you rarely want to replace the default vcs excludes
[23:25] <asac> most cases would probably exclude application specific files ... and when definig those in a app.conf you dont want to remember what files to remove for whatever vcs is used
[23:25] <asac> in any case: good to see mozclient growing
[23:25] <asac> flock ;)
[23:27] <asac> fta: btw, are the flash crashes gone in intrepid or not?
[23:27] <asac> iiuc they should indeed be gone and sound should work with PA
[23:27] <asac> (without libflashsupport)
[23:28] <fta> yes, but there are tons of sound issues
[23:28] <asac> due to the changes introduced for this or due to something else?
[23:28] <asac> fta: is a /etc/asound.conf shipped?
[23:29] <asac> or better: how exactly was the pulse plugin in alsa now enabled?
[23:29] <fta> bad stuttering with PA, i have to kill it every few hours
[23:30] <fta> according to bug 190754, it's supposed to be fixed in kernel 2.6.24-18 but it's in hardy-proposed, not in intrepid :(
[23:30] <asac> ok reconnect
[23:30] <fta> and in ff3, i often have no sound at all
[23:31] <asac> fta: last was
[23:31] <asac> 00:30 < fta> according to bug 190754, it's supposed to be fixed in kernel 2.6.24-18 but it's in  hardy-proposed, not in intrepid :(
[23:31] <fta> you have everything
[23:31] <asac> i have everything?
[23:32] <asac> every problem or every component to solve this problem ;) ?
[23:32] <fta> you didn't miss anything during your reco
[23:32] <asac> ah ;)
[23:32] <asac> fta: cant you get the hardy kernel still?
[23:32] <asac> or are you on 2.6.26 now?
[23:33] <fta> hm, i don't think so
[23:34] <fta> 2.6.24-16.30
[23:36] <fta> and i still need to reboot to apply that (old) one :P
[23:40] <crimsun> fta: there are a couple issues at hand; which are you referring to?
[23:40] <crimsun> and which release (hardy or intrepid)?
[23:40] <fta> intrepid
[23:41] <crimsun> fta: dpkg -l libasound2-plugins|grep ^ii
[23:41] <fta> stuttering with PA is my main problem, flash and PA is next
[23:41] <fta> 1.0.16-1ubuntu1
[23:42] <Jazzva> asac: No luck with building epiphany from trunk. Either something is wrong with me, or with their build files (I pick first option).
[23:42] <crimsun> fta: cat ~/.asoundrc*
[23:42] <Jazzva> asac: I can try to test with 2.22, if that's ok
[23:43] <fta> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntu.com/17732/
[23:44] <asac> Jazzva: how does it fail?
[23:44] <crimsun> fta: asoundconf reset-default-card && asoundconf set-pulseaudio
[23:44] <asac> Jazzva: no . 2.22 doesnt make much sense to test with webkit
[23:45] <asac> crimsun: will set-pulseaudio only be set automagically for new installs?
[23:46] <fta> i should probably trash my /etc/pulse/default.pa.
[23:46] <crimsun> asac: I'm not core-dev; that's you guys'/gals' call.
[23:46] <crimsun> asac: I advise you to consider setting it so, however.
[23:46] <Jazzva> asac: Well, there was no configure in trunk... Then I ran autoconf to produce one from configure.ac... It did report some errors, but produced configure (which is broken, I think...). Then I ran ./configure with parameters from debian/rules, and I got a syntax error.
[23:47] <fta> i've disabled module-suspend-on-idle a while ago as it was making ff3+flash crash
[23:47] <asac> crimsun: so what are the steps still left in your opinion?
[23:47] <crimsun> asac: for intrepid?
[23:47] <asac> crimsun: yes. lets start with that and work down ;)
[23:47] <crimsun> asac: let me think a bit, please.
[23:48] <asac> sure ... take your time ;)
[23:49] <asac> Jazzva: is there a autogen.sh ?
[23:49] <asac> Jazzva: if so, run that
[23:49] <asac> otherwise try autoreconf ;)
[23:49] <Jazzva> Ok... running autogen
[23:49] <Jazzva> .sh
[23:50] <Jazzva> asac: BTW, I've disabled patches for this testing... I was lazy to check every patch :).
[23:51] <asac> Jazzva: sure
[23:56] <fta> rebooting, brb
[23:57] <asac> this sounds strange ( Bug 237795)
[23:57] <asac> anyone can reproduce with that link?
[23:59] <Jazzva> Testing ...


[00:02] <hloeung> Launchpad git down for maintenance
[00:29] <hloeung> we're done with Launchpad git maintenance
[02:21] <wxl> how can i see all of a team's bug subscriptions?
[02:22] <hloeung> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~$TEAM/+subscribedbugs
[02:22] <hloeung> wxl: ^
[02:22] <wxl> thx hloeung
[02:24] <wxl> it's actually +packagebugs i wanted but i don't think i worded my question right to get to that XD
[02:26] <wgrant> hloeung, wxl: https://launchpad.net/~$TEAM/+structural-subscriptions is even more direct
[02:31] <hloeung> hmm, that's new to me
[04:10] <hloeung> LP git down for more maintenance
[04:17] <hloeung> back up
[09:15] <GyrosGeier> hm
[09:16] <GyrosGeier> it seems https://git.launchpad.net/~sjr/kicad is b0rked
[09:16] <cjwatson> ++detail?
[09:16] <GyrosGeier> "Scanning this repository for changes failed. You can manually rescan if required."
[09:16] <cjwatson> yeah, already working on that
[09:16] <GyrosGeier> ah cool
[09:16] <cjwatson> we redeployed last night, most things don't seem too bad but internal API performance is terrible
[09:16] <cjwatson> currently trying to work out why
[09:17] <GyrosGeier> I just force-pushed there, and didn't get an acknowledgement
[09:18] <GyrosGeier> one day I'll manage to replace my Jenkins instance with something that can actually synchronize multiple working directories against its own cache instead of doing five independent clones
[09:19] <GyrosGeier> that should reduce the load a bit
[09:21] <cjwatson> git.launchpad.net reads straight off disk, so if it isn't showing your commits then they didn't get pushed
[09:21] <cjwatson> that won't just be a problem of the webapp frontend failing to scan stuff
[09:21] <cjwatson> (https://git.launchpad.net/... I mean)
[09:22] <GyrosGeier> mmh
[09:22] <cjwatson> oh, but that page does show a recent commit on the msvc branch
[09:23] <GyrosGeier> hmm
[09:23] <GyrosGeier> then it should have worked
[09:23] <cjwatson> right, but the repository scan step is a separate one that goes through the internal API service that as I said is having problems
[09:24] <cjwatson> git pushes/pulls should see current stuff
[09:25] <GyrosGeier> yes, the "git push" hung for a while
[09:26] <GyrosGeier> but the data seems to have arrived
[09:26] <GyrosGeier> so all is well
[10:25] <GyrosGeier> hm
[10:25] <GyrosGeier> now git ls-remote returns empty string
[10:25] <GyrosGeier> https://jenkins.simonrichter.eu/job/windows-kicad-msvc-head/scmPollLog/
[10:26] <GyrosGeier> that triggers Jenkins builds for all jobs
[10:29] <RikMills> fatal: Could not read from remote repository.
[10:30] <cjwatson> no need for more reports right now thanks
[11:24] <cjwatson> git.launchpad.net reverted to old deployment, so we should have normality again for the time being.  Apologies for the disruption
[11:29] <Nafallo> thanks cjwatson :-)
[11:36] <GyrosGeier> whee
[11:37] <GyrosGeier> thanks
[12:44] <Laney> do I need any special permissions to have an organisation's repo to show up on BSI?
[12:50] <cjwatson> The web team maintains BSI; but IIRC you need to be an owner of the organisation
[12:56] <Laney> ah thanks, sorry I thought it was an LP team thing


[06:54] <Asad2005> I want to fully converty to ubuntu genome, if i upgrade to 17.01 will it convert my 17.04 fully to genome?
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> anyone found new dock settings somewhere?
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> im tweaking via dconf editor but cant see anywhere in settings yet
[18:35] <tesko> still updating to artful
[18:50] <rosattig>  hi guys, I'm trying to install artful and I got this message -> debootstrap warning: http://us.ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/artful/main/binary-ppc64el/Packages.gz was corrupt
[18:50] <rosattig> what does it mean?
[23:24] <tesko> is the slide up bar for extra security?
[23:25] <tesko> its a great idea


[10:58] <rhce7321> Well,... just installed my 1st edubuntu.   Installed 8.04 desktop amd64 & added all the stuff on the add-on CD.  Question, where is the thin client mgr mentioned in:
[10:59] <rhce7321> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-tcm.html  ???
[11:07] <rhce7321> ...and also, I don't have the directories /etc/ltsp or /opt/ltsp yet.   Have I missed something important?
[13:12] <rhce7320> Think I found what I wanted...
[13:12] <rhce7320> sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server
[13:12] <rhce7320>  sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386
[13:14] <rhce7320> wainting now for client to build.  This client build is pulling all the stuff down from the net.  Would it use the CDROM if I had the installer CD in it?
[13:18] <ogra> if you have an i386 CD, do mount /cdrom and use "sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --mirror file:///cdrom"
[13:19] <ogra> (note that only works with the alternate CD, not the desktop CD)
[13:43] <rhce7320> ogra: Aha! there is a way to do it! thanx.
[16:36] <coreg> hi
[16:36] <Fritz87> hi
[16:36] <coreg> sorry edubuntu class room edition it's a live with ltsp working out of the box?
[16:38]  * LaserJock rings ogra's doorbell
[16:39] <Fritz87> the latest edition of edubuntu is an add on for ubuntu
[16:39] <Fritz87> but once its in everything works
[16:39] <Fritz87> afaik
[16:40] <Fritz87> I think the previous version has a live CD
[16:40] <coreg> the question is, I'v eto install it to try ltsp?
[16:41] <LaserJock> coreg: To install LTSP you just need the Ubuntu Alternate CD
[16:42] <coreg> there is not a way to have a live cd with dhcp and ltsp already installed? I don't want to install nothing on pc for now
[16:43] <LaserJock> hmm
[16:43] <coreg> its just for test
[16:43] <LaserJock> it might be possible, but it's not very easy
[16:44] <LaserJock> you could take the Ubuntu Desktop CD, and then install ltsp-server-standalone
[16:48] <LaserJock> I think though that means you have to do more configuration that you would if you just installed from the Ubuntu Alternate CD
[16:57] <coreg> tanx
[19:24] <LaserJock> ogra: do you know why we're messing with the .po files in tuxtype?
[19:24] <ogra> no, not really
[19:24] <LaserJock> aren't the .po files taken from Rosetta?
[19:24] <ogra> do we ?
[19:24] <ogra> yeah, i would think so ...they should be in one of the langpacks
[19:24] <ogra> whats wrong ?
[19:25] <LaserJock> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17122352/tuxtype_1.5.17.dfsg1-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[19:25] <ogra> (sorry, i woud have pung, but just returned from shopping and had a buch of conf calls)
[19:25] <LaserJock> well, I was wanting to sponsor the merge ^^ but I wanted to check with you first about the .po stuff
[19:25] <LaserJock> ogra: np
[19:26] <ogra> ah, there is a merge issue with greek and malayalam
[19:26] <ogra> yeah, i remember that
[19:26] <LaserJock> but why would that cause problems? do we not translate tuxtype in Rosetta?
[19:26] <ogra> it causes probs with MoM, not with rosetta
[19:27] <LaserJock> interesting
[19:27] <ogra> that could as well get dropped
[19:27] <ogra> i bet
[19:27] <LaserJock> ok
[19:27] <ogra> but it wont do harm if its there iirc its only three lines or so and only utf8 chars
[19:28] <LaserJock> well, it's a rather large part of the the debdiff I linked too
[19:28] <ogra> i only looked at the changelog ... one sec
[19:28] <LaserJock> I wasn't sure if that was due to a bad merge or if we really wanted all that
[19:29] <ogra> greek is three lines
[19:30] <ogra> i cant judge malayam
[19:30] <ogra> but malayam seems to be mostly whitespace diff
[19:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[19:31] <LaserJock> I don't understand why MoM would have an issue
[19:31] <ogra> intresting that swedish is in there
[19:31] <LaserJock> I would think removing diff would be a +
[19:31] <ogra> but not mentioned in the changelog
[19:32] <ogra> well, only whitespace as well
[19:32] <LaserJock> I don't particularly like removing translation attribution either
[19:32] <LaserJock> as in malayalam
[19:33] <ogra> yeah
[19:34] <ogra> http://merges.ubuntu.com/t/tuxtype/REPORT
[19:34] <ogra> we should really take debians files
[19:34] <ogra> so we lose the diff
[19:35] <LaserJock> ok, so there isn't .pot file in the source
[19:36] <LaserJock> but there's a lang.po file that looks like it's a .pot
[19:37] <ogra> yeah
[19:37] <ogra> we should probably ping holger
[19:37] <LaserJock> so tuxtype isn't being translated in Rosetta
[19:37] <LaserJock> as far as I can tell
[19:37] <LaserJock> so if we renamed that to .pot then it should get picked up and we'd be using the regular langpack system
[19:39] <ogra> yeah, but we should coordinate with holger so he does it in debian and we finally lose that MoM crap
[19:47] <LaserJock> ogra: sounds good, do you have time to do that? or should I
[19:48] <ogra> i would appreciate if someone else could ... but i wouldnt dre to ask you :)
[19:48] <ogra> *dare
[19:49] <LaserJock> ogra: I can send an email
[19:49] <LaserJock> btw, it's looking less likely I can make it to UDS :(
[19:50] <LaserJock> I thought it was going to be scheduled the next week
[19:50] <LaserJock> but instead it's scheduled for finals week here
[19:50] <LaserJock> and I'm proctoring/grading/teaching
[19:50] <ogra> meh :/
[19:50] <ogra> and we pushed it to december already
[19:51] <LaserJock> yeah, it actually would've been better a week or two earlier :-)
[19:51] <ogra> gah
[19:51] <LaserJock> but I'll see if I can get a couple days away
[19:51] <LaserJock> but I'm sure I can't make the whole week
[19:51] <ogra> seems to be your curse that you can never attand a mountinview UDS completely then
[19:52] <ogra> *attend
[19:52] <LaserJock> yeah, really weird considering how close it is


[20:41] <Unit193> jphilipz: I think you're comparing Xubuntu to the wrong OSes.  As an Xfce user, I'd have no interest in using GNOME and some might point out that Win 7 is going EOL in Jan, perhaps Manjaro Xfce or Fedora Xfce could be of more interest? :>
[20:42] <Unit193> But perhaps others disagree with me, so there's that.
[20:45] <jphilipz> Unit193: i've listed possibly 7 other xfce distros other than xubuntu in my initial email
[20:47] <jphilipz> manjaro, linux mint xfce, linux lite, MX, Enso, GalliumOS, Galore, Swag Arch
[20:47] <Unit193> Ah right, so you did.  27px, that's an interesting choice...
[20:48] <jphilipz> yep i found 27px that to be quite strange
[20:48] <Unit193> And might be better off ignoring Fedora Xfce, I think they might be pretty clsoe to defaults (looking at screenshots)
[20:49] <jphilipz> never heard people recommending fedora as a good xfce implementation to check out else i could have tested it as well
[20:50] <Unit193> https://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/ no, it looks pretty close to Xfce defaults to me.
[20:53] <jphilipz> is the xfce default 24?
[20:55] <jphilipz> i am aware that fedora had an xfce spin, just saying that i never heard people recommend their xfce implementation
[20:56] <Unit193> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tree/migrate/default.xml.in#n13 ...Well that's, huh.
[20:57] <Unit193> jphilipz: I may only know it exists because former Xubuntu contributors moved on to there, or at least one did.
[20:57] <jphilipz> Unit193: so xubuntu is lower than xfce default. lol.
[20:58] <jphilipz> tested galore and gallium as i recently heard that they were based on xubuntu
[20:58] <jphilipz> but hadnt heard about them before that
[20:58] <Unit193> Manjaro is the other one that's entirely unrelated to Xubuntu and has a good setup.
[20:59] <jphilipz> yep i was hearing about manjaro's setup on podcasts and youtube videos
[21:00] <jphilipz> heard lots of hype behind MX and wanted to try it out
[21:00] <brainwash> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tree/migrate/default.xml.in?h=xfce-4.12#n12
[21:01] <brainwash> used to be 30
[21:02] <jphilipz> well linux lite is using 4.12, so maybe thats why its on 30px
[21:03] <Unit193> (I personally like a small panel)
[21:03] <jphilipz> so the current default?
[21:03] <jphilipz> 28px is still small
[21:04] <jphilipz> what screen rez are you on?
[21:07] <brainwash> 32 is the minimum I'd say
[21:07] <brainwash> if one still has a small screen or just wants a slim panel, simply lower it
[21:10] <brainwash> from my experience the average user wants slightly bigger panels, fonts, icons, etc.
[21:11] <brainwash> comparable to how websites work
[21:14] <ondondil> I always increase the panel size to 30 px. Even tabs in Firefox have 28px in compact mode.
[21:21] <Spass[m]> yeah, I typically have my panel set to 28-30px (but I also have it on the bottom, not top, if that's relevant)
[21:23] <Spass[m]> I guess Ubuntu Budgie screenshots could be a reference on how the bigger top panel looks - https://ubuntubudgie.org/portfolio/screenshots
[21:24] <Spass[m]> from what I can see it's 34px, so little too much imho
[21:25] <jphilipz> Spass[m]: mine also on the bottom :D
[21:25] <jphilipz> Windows refugee
[21:26] <Spass[m]> but keeping that comparison with ubuntu budgie, their panel isn't even used for window buttons / taskbar, Xubuntu panel is, so probably we have a bigger reason to make it slightly bigger than 24px to make the system more "usable"
[21:27] <Spass[m]> I know that many will disagree with that statement
[21:27] <jphilipz> ubuntu mate uses 28px for top and bottom - https://ubuntu-mate.org/gallery/Screenshots/01_familiar.png
[21:28] <Spass[m]> I would be happy even with 26px in Xubuntu 19.10 tbh :) I'd call it a step in the right direction
[21:28] <jphilipz> unfortunately with the new panel algo, 26px has 16x16 icons
[21:29] <jphilipz> with the old algo in 18.04, 26px would have 22x22 icons
[21:29] <Spass[m]> hmm, you can set the icon size, within the plugins' settings
[21:30] <Spass[m]> I think it's 22 by default, no matter what panel size you set
[21:30] <Spass[m]> am I missing something?
[21:30] <jphilipz> yep thats true, but then people adjusting the panel height would never see the icons increase
[21:31] <Spass[m]> well, I think that tray icons shouldn't be bigger than 22px
[21:31] <Spass[m]> even on 32px panel
[21:32] <Spass[m]> big tray / status icons look baaad
[21:33] <ondondil> at 40px panel small icons look bad
[21:33] <ondondil> it's all opinions
[21:33] <Spass[m]> true
[21:34] <Spass[m]> I mean, I would still prefer 22px tray even at 40px panel ;) but like you said, just an opinion
[21:34] <jphilipz> here are mine with a 32px panel - http://i.imgur.com/5AXqzgt.png
[21:35] <jphilipz> 22px look fine in my opinion. i think windows with its 40px panel also has small tray icons
[21:36] <Spass[m]> yeah
[21:36] <ondondil> i'm fine with either as long as there is an option to change it
[21:37] <Spass[m]> I'm just the type of guy who has an OCD about the tray icons, they all have to me 22px max and monochrome :) https://i.imgur.com/kWt2Y8T.png
[21:38] <Spass[m]> otherwise it looks ugly and "unprofessional", for me
[21:38] <Unit193> So, no eyes in your panel.
[21:39] <Spass[m]> heh, nope
[21:39] <jphilipz> monochorome looks quite nice
[21:39] <jphilipz> is there a way to force that?
[21:39] <Spass[m]> I had them for a while on Debian Lenny tho.... good times
[21:40] <Spass[m]> it's the icon theme job, and unfortunately there are many applications that have hard-coded panel icons :/
[21:41] <Spass[m]> so yeah, fight with the windmills
[21:42] <Spass[m]> but so far elementary-xfce icon set is making pretty good job with "monochromifying" the tray
[21:43] <Spass[m]> so that's great
[21:44] <ondondil> unless you set statusnotifier icon size > 24px
[21:46] <jphilipz> windows 7 notification icons are 16x16
[21:47] <Spass[m]> well, I think nobody here wants to make them smaller than 22px on Xubuntu
[21:48] <Spass[m]> no reason to do so imho, 22px is a good value
[21:52] <jphilipz> 22px definitely is good
[21:57] <jphilipz> though the battery and notification icons seem quite big compared to the rest - https://i.imgur.com/FabVpJ1.png
[22:01] <jphilipz> Unit193: what size do you have yours at?
[22:09] <Unit193> 22
[22:11] <jphilipz> interesting. what resolution are you on?
[22:14] <Unit193> Depends, unfortunately the netbook for example is at 1366x768.
[22:37] <jphilipz> Unit193: do you use 22 also on high resolutions like 1440x900 or 1080p?


[21:57] <linuxgecko> how do i install amd drivers from cli?  the only howto i found is based in flgrx, and that doesn't seem to exist in 16.04
[21:58] <Ubunteo> riffautae: is there a specific directory in the cd? and boot is under root?
[21:58] <k1l> linuxgecko: fglrx doesnt work for 16.04 since amd dropped fglrx
[21:59] <linuxgecko> k1l: that's fine, i'm lookign for an alternate
[21:59] <k1l> linuxgecko: amd made "amd_gpu" as open soruce kernel driver or you use the rdeon oldschool open source driver
[21:59] <riffautae> Ubunteo: it should be in the same place on the cd as where you deleted it from
[22:00] <wafflej0ck> derbi, are you sure you have matching baud rate set in the serial monitor and the program that's running
[22:00] <dfghdf> troll script created, ban whatever you want until the end of the world bitch =) And I was just criticizing this autojoin to the channel that expose the nickserv identify
[22:00] <BCB> ikonia: resolves to <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:00] <wafflej0ck> derbi, also did you check the Serial port and board settings
[22:00] <ikonia> BCB: what is that IP address, ?
[22:00] <Count_H> hey guys
[22:01] <Count_H> having a problem with trying to get our webserver up and running and wondering if anyone could spare a few minutes to poke us in the right direcetion
[22:01] <wafflej0ck> derbi, you can monitor a particular USB connection by following instructions here it looks like https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kernel/Debugging/USB
[22:01] <BCB> ikonia: an ec2 internal ip
[22:01] <ikonia> Count_H: just ask
[22:01] <linuxgecko> k1l:  is that what i need to apt-get to get it to work?
[22:01] <Count_H> so far trying to get phpmyadmin
[22:01] <k1l> linuxgecko: it should work from the start
[22:01] <ikonia> BCB: ok - so this is an EC2 setup, that's important to mention
[22:01] <Count_H> and it is throwing errors mbstring is missing
[22:01] <nedstark> fglrx doesn't work with 16.04's version of xorg, 1.18, otherwise you could use the one for debian
[22:02] <ikonia> BCB: is this route53 or a dns server
[22:02] <Count_H> i think its php 7
[22:02] <wafflej0ck> derbi, typically if you have all those settings correct and the user you're running the arduino IDE as has permissions for the USB device then it works but haven't tried in Vbox
[22:02] <nedstark> if the amdgpu and radeon drivers don't work well enough, the workaround is go back to 14.04
[22:02] <BCB> ikonia: it's not.  I'm using route53 for routing
[22:02] <ikonia> route53 is not a router
[22:02] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, can check it make a phpinfo.php file put in there <?php phpinfo();
[22:02] <Geo_> i managed to get ubuntu installed on a rapsberry pi, works pretty well.
[22:02] <ikonia> it's a dns service
[22:02] <Count_H> php info shows ok
[22:02] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, what version?
[22:02] <ikonia> BCB: it's not "what"
[22:03] <Count_H> 7.0.4-7
[22:03] <BCB> the box is outside aws.  but i'm using AWS dns
[22:03] <Ubunteo> riffautae: i honestly don't know where it was located..
[22:03] <ikonia> BCB: do you understand you're not making any sense
[22:03] <linuxgecko> k1l: i've been trying that for days (assuming it will "just work") and it's not..   i can't even use failsafe to get to where i can get an additional drivers screen, because of a #$@@# bug in 16.04.
[22:03] <ikonia> BCB: I just asked what that IP was and you said "an AWS IP"
[22:03] <ikonia> BCB: now you're saying "it's outside AWS"
[22:03] <Count_H> additional ini files parsed  and mbstring in amounst it
[22:03] <BCB> ikonia: correct
[22:03] <k1l> !nomodeset | linuxgecko
[22:03] <ikonia> BCB: how can it be an AWS ip that is outside AWS
[22:03] <ikonia> thats impossible
[22:03] <Count_H> sorry i am trying to relay ubunti setup to someone that writes html code only
[22:03] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, sudo apt-get install php7.0-mbstring
[22:04] <Count_H> yes done that
[22:04] <k1l> linuxgecko: amd chosen to not working flgrx, since they dont want to make that anymore.
[22:04] <linuxgecko> k1l: that's how i 'm getting ANYTHING to work.  i get a gui, and login, then unity pukes.
[22:04] <BCB> ikonia: I'm running these cmds on an EC2 server.  The external box will not return any data from these commands
[22:04] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, you restart the server or FPM process afterwards (also may need to add extension=mbstring.so to your php.ini)
[22:04] <ikonia> BCB: thats nothing to do with waht I asked
[22:05] <ikonia> BCB: you don't seem to really understand your own setup
[22:05] <Count_H> ok , let us try that ,
[22:05] <BCB> I'm using aws DNS to point to a external box
[22:05] <Count_H> wafflej0ck:  what is the fpm process
[22:05] <ikonia> BCB: are you using route53 for dns resolution, yes/no
[22:05] <BCB> ikonia: yes
[22:06] <ikonia> BCB: right - so how are you pointing route53 at another dns server
[22:06] <linuxgecko> k1l: nomodeset is what i'm using now, and i can't get to a gui desktop. unity dies before i get there.
[22:06] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, if you aren't using the module version of php with apache then typically you run php7.0-fpm as a separate process and configure the server to talk to it (necessary for nginx or other servers)
[22:06] <k1l> linuxgecko: i am neither using amd nor am i working for amd.
[22:07] <Count_H> would it hurt to have php7.0-fpm installed as well
[22:07] <linuxgecko> k1l: happen to know how to make it use lightdm?
[22:07] <k1l> instead i am going to bed now. linuxgecko if it doesnt work try to use the radeon driver.
[22:08] <linuxgecko> ' k1l that doesn't work either.. i get 3 screend humg at a black screen
[22:08] <linuxgecko> hung
[22:08] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, doesn't really hurt but you'll have extra config in your /etc for it and if you want to just use the apache module version, for the immediate issue just need the mbstring php extension added onto the current setup
[22:08] <Count_H> sorry to be a noob where would the php.ini file need to be
[22:09] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, you should have one in your /etc/php/7.0/apache2/php.ini your phpinfo output should show the file location too
[22:10] <Count_H> ok   working on that for a minute
[22:11] <Count_H> would php7 load the modules via php.ini or via /etc/php.d???
[22:13] <bekks> Count_H: Both.
[22:13] <bekks> Count_H: what is the actual problem?
[22:14] <wafflej0ck> bekks, just trying to add mbstring for phpmyadmin
[22:14] <wafflej0ck> bekks, I suggested adding extension=mbstring.so to the php.ini
[22:14] <Count_H> trying to enable mbstring with php7 on ubuntu server , so that phpmyadmin works
[22:14] <ikonia> win 1
[22:15] <bekks> Count_H: wafflej0ck: http://askubuntu.com/questions/491629/how-to-install-php-mbstring-extension-in-ubuntu
[22:15] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, yeah weird I don't even have that folder maybe something that didn't get created during the upgrade though
[22:16] <wafflej0ck> bekks, I did it fine on my computer was just repeating where Count_H is at this is for php7 too
[22:16] <Count_H> it is kinda wierd i know ,  its for our virtual airline website after the whole 123 reg thing deleted it a week ago
[22:16] <bekks> wafflej0ck: And he/you didnt read the last comment.
[22:17] <Count_H> ah ok ,
[22:17] <Count_H> i say we because i am on teamspeak with the guy who has root access to the server
[22:17] <bekks> Count_H: then this guy should join this, too.
[22:18] <Count_H> hes never been on irc
[22:18] <bekks> Count_H: it will be his first time then.
[22:18] <sowmiyan> hello
[22:18] <skjones> TJ-, we were talking earlier about the software manager not being populated - i rebooted and all looks normal now - guess a reboots helps sometimes :-)
[22:18] <Count_H> its ok i am relaying coppy and paste
[22:18] <sowmiyan> what
[22:20] <Count_H> this may sound like a error but in the php.ini file there is a section for windows extensions with loads of .dlls , but i would have expected a sections with laods of unix .so but there are not
[22:20] <Count_H> any ideas why that would be the case
[22:20] <Count_H> 23:20:11) Count_H: this may sound like a error but in the php.ini file there is a section for windows extensions with loads of .dlls , but i would have expected a sections with laods of unix .so but there are not
[22:20] <Count_H> (23:20:20) Count_H: any ideas why that would be the case
[22:20] <Count_H> for wafflej0ck
[22:22] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, yeah those files being loaded is split into separate files in the /etc/php/7.0/mods-available folder
[22:22] <Count_H> wafflej0ck:  meet Harry gaa , our server admin
[22:23] <Harry-GAA001> Hello
[22:23] <Count_H> so is there a sample php.ini that needed renaming to enable default unix modules ?
[22:23] <B0g4r7> Is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/i-nex-development-team-ubuntu-daily-xenial.list something that's installed by default on 16.04, or do I have it for some other reason?
[22:24] <bekks> B0g4r7: you have it because you installed that PPA.
[22:24] <B0g4r7> 'k.  It's breaking my apt.  I think I'll turn it off.
[22:24] <Count_H> the ip page isnt working unable to handle this request when trying to get to phpmyadmin
[22:24] <ikonia> that wont fix it
[22:25] <B0g4r7> ikonia, are you talking to me?
[22:25] <wafflej0ck> hi Harry-GAA001 well issue here is just that mbstring isn't a default module so it needs to be installed separately but when it installs the php.ini that your php module is using isn't getting the mbstring.ini in that folder I mentioned above included apparently, I had the same issue when upgrading yesterday
[22:26] <ikonia> yes
[22:26] <B0g4r7> Hmm.  My theory is that that repo is left over from when I ran the 16.04 beta.  Now that 16.04 is released, the repo is no longer maintained or needed.
[22:26] <Count_H> the /etc/php/7.0/mods-available directory  ?
[22:27] <Count_H> so is we were to ls that dir we would get the mbstring.so file
[22:27] <Count_H> to veryfy that it is indeed installed
[22:28] <bekks> Count_H: Did you install the package mentioned in the link given?
[22:28] <wafflej0ck> bekks, it was already installed earlier
[22:28] <TJ-> skjones: I think the gnome-software bug is it doesn't build its internal cache of applications before it first starts
[22:29] <hpp> so is this mir thingy enabled on 16.04?
[22:29] <bekks> hpp: No.
[22:29] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16041576/ <-- this was already there but just restarting apache didn't seem to work for me so I loaded it in the php.ini as well
[22:29] <Count_H> sudo apt-get install php7.0-mbstring ? yes
[22:30] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, yeah you did that earlier right?
[22:31] <Count_H> how did you get that pastbin data from
[22:31] <Count_H> sorry we really new to this side of it
[22:31] <Count_H> yes wafflej0ck
[22:31] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, just ran that terminal on my side and copied/pasted it
[22:31] <Harry-GAA001> I have done the install mbstring part
[22:31] <Harry-GAA001> ok one sec
[22:33] <LynxCode> hi
[22:34] <Harry-GAA001> When i enter that command into the terminal I get the following back "-bash: /etc/php/7.0/mods-available#: No such file or directory"
[22:34] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, after you installed the mbstring module did you restart apache2, sudo service apache2 restart ?
[22:34] <reisio> Harry-GAA001: seems pretty straightforward a message
[22:35] <Count_H> is the bit before your # the prompt on your sytem
[22:35] <jajaja> im trying to resive my windows partition to install ubuntu, but gparted say its unable to read the contents of the file system
[22:35] <R13ose> How do I see the errors during upgrade?  I have restarted yet but I want to see the errors first.
[22:35] <Harry-GAA001> Yes I did restart apache
[22:35] <Count_H> so at the terminal in the dir ...... .... type cat mvbstring.ini
[22:36] <reisio> jajaja: far more straighforward and efficient to use an additional disk for dual booting
[22:36] <jajaja> reisio: impossible since im on notebook
[22:36] <Count_H> reisio: missunderstood the prompt as a command , my bad
[22:36] <Harry-GAA001> Reisio, what do you mean by the comment?
[22:37] <reisio> jajaja: it's true many notebooks have only one sata connection easily available
[22:37] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, okay cd /etc/php/7.0
[22:37] <Count_H> cd /etc/php/7.0/mods-available && cat mbstring.ini
[22:37] <Count_H> would produce the same result
[22:37] <reisio> Harry-GAA001: kind of a terrible default prompt you have there
[22:38] <TJ-> jajaja: the reason is that you probably didn't fully shutdown Windows, but only did a (fast) hibernate - the Windows default since Win8 I think. You need to boot Windows, go to its Advanced Shutdown menu, and do a total shutdown. That way the disk data is committed
[22:38] <reisio> Harry-GAA001: if you actually want the path in your prompt, this is a better approach: \[\033[36m\][\w]\[\033[0m\]\n\[\033[1;36m\]\[\033[1;32;1m\]$\[\e[0m\
[22:38] <reisio> but using 'pwd' when you're lost is even more straightforward
[22:38] <Count_H> ok we got that confirmed in the pastebin exaclty as pastedc
[22:38] <TheGuestOfTheHou> There's Dropbox, that syncs folders. Is there a similar program that both syncs folders, acts like a real folder, and is free (I'd be storing everything on my own equipment)
[22:38] <Harry-GAA001> Done that, got same three lines
[22:38] <Count_H> harry is not native to ubuntu
[22:38] <Count_H> my background is freebsd
[22:38] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: you might want lsyncd
[22:39] <LynxCode> I have a problem about battery usage on ubuntu. Can any one help me?
[22:39] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: or for something more rigid, just rsync & cron
[22:39] <jajaja> TJ-: windows was shutdown properly.. gparted only reads the boot partiton on sda (sda1)
[22:39] <Harry-GAA001> Thanks Reisio, you clearly know I'm new to this :P
[22:39] <Count_H> everyone starts somewhere
[22:39] <jajaja> TJ-: sda2, windows itself, nop
[22:39] <reisio> Harry-GAA001: well distros like to use a prompt like that by default, but I couldn't tell you why, as nobody likes it
[22:40] <reisio> it's absurd to start typing and see your text being half-way across the terminal because you're at a long path
[22:40]  * reisio shrugs
[22:40] <Count_H> well i use csh as my main hence why the # thre me usaully promts end with a $ or > so ....
[22:40] <Harry-GAA001> Ok I get it now, mock the noob :P
[22:40] <TJ-> jajaja: so sda2 will the NTFS... and the Linux ntfs tools will refuse to mount or work with any NTFS file-system that has its dirty bit still set.
[22:40]  * Majora320 says Hello WOrld
[22:41] <jajaja> TJ-: also, on sdb (my storage hdd), all good, with msftdata
[22:41] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, yeah so for some reason I have that file as well and I did the same steps as you yesterday and was still getting the mbstring error so I just added extension=mbstring.so to my php.ini file (at the bottom of the file) and it loaded it up fine when I restarted apache after that.. another bit of weirdness to add I just took that out and restarted the server again and it seems to still be working...
[22:41] <reisio> I only use '#' for root
[22:41] <reisio> so many people use '#' for root and '$' for non-root, it's kinda misleading to try and do otherwise in examples
[22:41] <jajaja> TJ-: i'll try to shutdown the way u said so
[22:42] <BCB> ikonia: how do I add a caching nameserver in ubuntu 14
[22:42] <TJ-> jajaja: 7 times out of 10 that's the cause we find
[22:42] <Harry-GAA001> I will just give apache a restart and see if it's changed anything
[22:42] <Count_H> thanks reisio...
[22:42] <ikonia> BCB: why do you want to do that ?
[22:42]  * reisio shrugs
[22:42] <TJ-> jajaja:  I suspect also BitKeeper disk encryption could also prevent it, although I have no direct experience of that
[22:43] <jajaja> TJ-: iIdont use it, not even uefi
[22:43] <TJ-> jajaja: well UEFI is actually great for multiboot systems
[22:43] <BCB> because if I do "dig and ip and add<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it returns a value.  The content of my resolv.conf is empty
[22:43] <Harry-GAA001> Nope still showing exactly the same error :/
[22:43] <TheGuestOfTheHou> reisio, I want to make a snapshot of my Minecraft server, and run the snapshot every server restart. Since I want to do this, the server will never save any changes. Can I have lsyncd only request (as in network connection) files when they are needed?
[22:43] <reisio> jajaja: you might try ntfsresize directly (don't forget your backups :p)
[22:44] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: I'd use rsync in that case
[22:44] <TheGuestOfTheHou> reisio, or is lsyncd always trying to download and upload to match up with the other.
[22:44] <jajaja> TJ-: hdd is already on MBR table :/
[22:44] <TheGuestOfTheHou> reisio, ok. Thanks!~
[22:44] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: or something like rdiff-backup (rsync based) / obnam / bup / etc.
[22:44] <Harry-GAA001> I ran the command you mentioned, got the same three lines. My info.php clearly shows mbstring is there too.
[22:44] <BCB> ikonia: because if I do "dig an ip and add<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it returns a value.  The content of my resolv.conf is empty
[22:44] <Count_H> dont u just love irc netsplits  sighs
[22:45] <TJ-> BCB: Network Manager should be managing the network connections and part of that is to supervise a dnsmasq caching server locally, and its address should be <IP_ADDRESS> and in /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf and /etc/resolv.conf should be a symbolic link to that file
[22:45] <ikonia> BCB: so why do you need a caching name server ?
[22:45] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: what's nice about rdiff-backup is that it dedupes, and is dead simple, and there's a FUSE FS for restoration from it
[22:45] <jajaja> reisio: from cmdline?
[22:45] <TJ-> jajaja: msdos/MBR is fine for UEFI, it is mandated in the UEFI specs as well as GPT
[22:45] <Count_H> is there a way to veryfy that mysql installed correctly
[22:45] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: so if 1 byte of a 70GB file changes, only the diff necessary to to preserve that single changed byte is transferred in a future backup (dedupe)
[22:45] <BCB> TJ I added two ips to the existing nic and now dig and host do not return data
[22:45] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: rdiff-backup source/ destination/ (dead simple)
[22:46] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, you can run mysql at the command line by itself but the mbstring.so error in phpmyadmin is really just that module missing
[22:46] <TheGuestOfTheHou> reisio, should I use rdiff-backup? I'm looking for something that works, and works well.
[22:46] <ikonia> BCB: you keep repeating this - the problem is when you add the IP's you are being your DNS resolver,
[22:46] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, at a terminal, mysql -u root -p, will connect to the local mysql instance
[22:46] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: rdiff-backup-fs mount/point original/backup/destination (simple)
[22:46] <ikonia> BCB: you need to know what your DNS resoler is
[22:46] <ikonia> resolver
[22:46] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: I would definitely give rdiff-backup a shot, yeah
[22:46] <Count_H> ok for now we assume mysql is installed
[22:46] <TJ-> BCB: if you're manually managing the interfaces then Network Manager will ignore those and let you get on with it, so you'll have to see "man interfaces" and add some dns-nameservers entries to /etc/network/interfaces too
[22:46] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: the only thing I would use in place of rdiff-backup is something that did all the same things as rdiff-backup
[22:46] <Harry-GAA001> So everytime I try to navigate to http://(my-ip-address)/phpmyadmin it just tells me "the (my-ip) page isn't working and is currently unable to handle this request. 500
[22:46] <reisio> it's very well conceived
[22:47] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: snapshots you can use with certain filesystems achieve a similar end result, though
[22:47] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, 500 errors should show you something in the web server log tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log
[22:47] <BCB> TJ-: ahhh.  I added the ips manually.  I'll try that
[22:47] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: deduplication, ease of use, easy restoration
[22:47] <reisio> but I prefer userland stuff
[22:47] <Jordan_U> lol/lastlog uefi
[22:47] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, 500 means internal server error (generic server failed to handle request for some reason)
[22:48] <BCB> TJ  so how to I programatically add ip to the existing interface
[22:48] <Harry-GAA001> The server also won't allow me to connect via ftp either. Says connection refused.
[22:48] <BCB> TJ-:  so how to I programatically add ip to the existing interface
[22:48] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, the, tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log, will show you end of the log file and show more errors as they come in
[22:49] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, these all sound like separate issues and separate services take them one at a time
[22:49] <TheGuestOfTheHou> reisio, do I only get rdiff-backup, or...?
[22:49] <TheGuestOfTheHou> reisio, is there more to get?
[22:49] <jajaja> TJ-: advanced shutdown doesn't work.. gparted info's says "The following list of software packages is required for ntfs filesystem support: ntfs-3g / ntfsprogs"... im on ubuntu 16 live
[22:49] <TJ-> BCB: "programmatically" ? Either configure Network Manager system connections for them, or use ifupdown's /etc/network/interfaces
[22:49] <Harry-GAA001> Ok I'll check the error log bit
[22:50] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: I would also get rdiff-backup-fs, as it makes restoration if you should need to far simpler
[22:50] <TJ-> jajaja: ahhh... so you need to install those? I thought they were installed... in fact I vaguely recall someone else seeing that and the warning was actually caused by the file-systems needing checking by Windows chkdsk... ntfs-3g tools were already installed.
[22:51] <TJ-> jajaja: in a terminal, run "dpkg -l ntfs*" and see if you get a list of those as installed (will show "ii" in the 1st column)
[22:51] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: so if you ran rdiff-backup foo/ bar/ a thousand times over 20 years, rdiff-backup-fs would present all those thousand backups as separate, timestamped directories in a logical hierarchy
[22:51] <jajaja> TJ-: ntfs-3g only
[22:52] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Rdiff-backup#Usage
[22:53] <TJ-> jajaja:  ntfs-3g contains everything required, so I still think there's a dirty marker on the file-system
[22:53] <reisio> TheGuestOfTheHou: if you only want a 1:1 copy, or even a current-and-previous-only set, you might just use rsync alone instead
[22:53] <reisio> rdiff-backup is better for cumulative, eternal backups
[22:53] <jajaja> TJ-: will try a chkdsk
[22:53] <reisio> being able to restore to a backup from a year ago, etc.
[22:54] <richard28711> can someone please help me
[22:54] <TJ-> jajaja: see also "man ntfsfix" for some background
[22:55] <Harry-GAA001> Ok the last entry in the error log is "PHP Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required '/user/share/php/php-gettext/gettext.inc' (include_path='.:/user/share/php') in user/share/phpmyadmin/libraries/select_lang.lib.php on line 477
[22:56] <TJ-> jajaja: online its here: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man8/ntfsfix.8.html
[22:56] <bekks> richard28711: help you regarding which issue?
[22:56] <jajaja> TJ-: ok.. could it be because im using ssd?
[22:56] <TJ-> Harry-GAA001: do those paths *really* start with "/user/" and not "/usr/" ?
[22:56] <richard28711> Thanks Bekks is it safe to download 16.04 if i use a radeon graphics card
[22:56] <TheGuestOfTheHou> reisio, are the clients and servers?
[22:57] <Harry-GAA001> typo :P my bad
[22:57] <TJ-> jajaja: that shouldn't have any effect on the issue you're seeing, which is file-system related
[22:57] <TJ-> Harry-GAA001: *phew*
[22:57] <Harry-GAA001> I'm working on a laptop and pc at the same time :P
[22:58] <TJ-> Harry-GAA001: so check what package should have that file: "dpkg -S /usr/share/phpmyadmin/php-gettext/gettext.inc" and ensure that package is installed
[22:58] <richard28711> Bekks r u there
[22:59] <TheGuestOfTheHou> reisio, sorry. What I mean is: are there clients and servers, for rdiff-backup?
[23:00] <richard28711> can anyone please help me
[23:00] <TheGuestOfTheHou> richard28711, please state your issue.
[23:01] <Harry-GAA001> I typed in that command and it says dkpg-query: no path found matching pattern and then repeats the file path
[23:01] <richard28711> is it safe to download 16.04 if i use a radeon graphics card
[23:02] <OerHeks> ati is not only an ubuntu nightmare, use the open driver
[23:02] <dax> richard28711: yes, Ubuntu will pick the radeon or amdgpu driver depending on which card you have
[23:02] <dax> the only difference in 16.04 is that fglrx isn't in it. which is fine anyway since fglrx was awful
[23:04] <richard28711> gr8 because it said something about not downloading the beta as graphic card situation had not
[23:04] <richard28711> been finalized so u r assuring me that it has
[23:05] <Count_H> sudo apt-get install php-gettext ?
[23:05] <Kramerboy> Hello, in Ubuntu 16 the wifi adapter Intel 7260 AC is showing up as an ethernet adapter. Any way this can be fixed?
[23:05] <pezdispenser> Hi there, I installed a game, I can't seem to find it's directory, I need to locate it to edit a .config file,  easy way I can find this ?
[23:05] <terabit> I don't need anyone to tell me which way the wind shines
[23:06] <dax> richard28711: the release notes for beta and release both say what i just said
[23:06] <Count_H> and thats widershines which is the old word for counterclockwise terabit
[23:06] <Harry-GAA001> Just looking at an article which seems to say something about symlinks being the root of the problem with gettext issue, just reading it
[23:06] <wafflej0ck> pezdispenser, how's you install the game?
[23:06] <wafflej0ck> how'd*
[23:07] <dax> richard28711: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#fglrx
[23:07] <pezdispenser> wafflej0ck:  I installed it through the terminal
[23:07] <wafflej0ck> pezdispenser, from a .deb file?
[23:07] <richard28711> gr8 thanks for the assistance and i hope i like it as they also said that u cannot go back to 15.10
[23:07] <pezdispenser> wafflej0ck:   it was in the repos
[23:07] <terabit> Count_H: u got my reference?
[23:07] <Count_H> kind of
[23:07] <richard28711> can i use sudo apt-get install Ubuntu16.04
[23:07] <TheGuestOfTheHou> reisio, I guess what I want is a client and server thing. When client needs a file, server sends it. When client needs to write, it will send to server. But, I want something that is usable as a real directory.
[23:08] <wafflej0ck> pezdispenser, okay can do dpkg -L somepackageName, should show you all the files in there
[23:08] <Count_H> bit busy at the moment terabit but thanks all the same
[23:08] <wafflej0ck> pezdispenser, dpkg -L somepackagename | grep config, might be easier
[23:08] <terabit> Kk,from a movie fyi
[23:09] <Count_H> is that like saying you smell a funny colour  terabit
[23:09] <richard28711> Thanks for the help everyone
[23:09] <wafflej0ck> richard28711, you can run sudo update-manager -d, to install, also see patience
[23:09] <pezdispenser> wafflej0ck:  it's an older game,  wolfenstein enemy territory,  not sure what it installed it under,  et, enemy territory, wolfenstein,  but i cannot seem to locate it with these commands,  as well as the find command
[23:10] <wafflej0ck> pezdispenser, well you had the package name when you installed it right? all you need it the package name the rest is built in
[23:10] <terabit> Count_H: mysterymen quote
[23:10] <Harry-GAA001> Ok, installed the php-gettext and I am now at the phpmyadmin login page so that's one step further forward :)
[23:11] <pezdispenser> wafflej0ck:  it's just  , sudo apt-get install et,    but i cannot find it now,  and the game runs
[23:11] <wafflej0ck> pezdispenser, dpkg -L et
[23:11] <wafflej0ck> pezdispenser, run that should show the file list in that package
[23:12] <wafflej0ck> pezdispenser, then if you want to find a file called config in that list, dpkg -L et | grep config
[23:16] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, cool good to hear
[23:19] <wafflej0ck> pezdispenser, along with their regular config that typically ends up somewhere in /etc programs will also have per user config files typically in ~/.config
[23:20] <Count_H> ok we are jsut restetting the mysql  password , but connecting over a putty from windows ssl connection
[23:22] <jajaja> TJ-: so, chkdsk get something, but gparted still give's me that info
[23:22] <Count_H> we ran  sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop
[23:22] <Count_H> then sudo /usr/sbin/mysqld --skip-grant-tables --skip-networking &
[23:22] <Count_H> mysql -u root gives the follwoing error
[23:23] <n-iCe> is it true that ubuntu 16.04 feels faster?
[23:23] <jajaja> TJ-: ntfsfix returns nothing
[23:23] <Harry-GAA001> Trying to reset the Mysql password, the error I'm getting is "Error 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[23:23] <reisio> n-iCe: sure
[23:23] <n-iCe> reisio: really? you feel it?
[23:23] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, sounds like the mysql server daemon process isn't running
[23:23] <Count_H> ty harry
[23:24] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, try sudo service mysql status, or sudo service mysql start
[23:24] <reisio> n-iCe: I don't, no
[23:24] <Count_H> but we started it with sudo /usr/sbin/mysqld --skip-grant-tables
[23:24] <locksmith> Hi
[23:25] <Rhorse> About what % of the upgrades to Xenial are having issues - does anyone have an estimate?
[23:25] <reisio> Rhorse: some%, for sure
[23:26] <Rhorse> reisio: naturally...
[23:26] <UserUS> so windows says it cannot access the offline boot menu, and ubuntu 16 will not boot due to errors with /dev/sda11?
[23:27] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, Harry-GAA001 ah okay can you sudo ls /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock did it create the unix socket "file" there? alternatively can maybe try through a TCP connection using -h flag when connecting and passing the host name (localhost or <IP_ADDRESS>) not sure why it isn't making the socket though either really
[23:29] <reisio> UserUS: errors?
[23:29] <UserUS> Xorg
[23:29] <UserUS> and isize
[23:30] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, Harry-GAA001 http://serverfault.com/questions/279366/what-should-mysqld-sock-contain-why-dont-i-have-it <-- this has some explanation about the unix sockets and this one in particular possibly the regular mysql service was still running when you try launching mysqld ? kill that off and sudo service stop mysql, then try to start mysqld again and connect to it
[23:31] <Count_H> wafflej0ck:  we are in to phpmyadmin asking for login but our root login is not being accepted
[23:32] <Count_H> the var run mysqld.sock file is presnet from the above command
[23:32] <wafflej0ck> Count_H, yeah I follow you, would try first at the command line mysql -u root -p, will prompt for the password. I'm still suspect if the mysql service was still running and therefore that's the old lock file not one for the mysqld you launched
[23:33] <Harry-GAA001> the sudo ls /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock returned the same line one below
[23:33] <Count_H> i think right now we need to asccertain , if mysql login credentials are correct , and if we initialised the mysql db at install after the LAMP group installed it
[23:33] <AEL-H> Hey guys, I am running a python script in a screen (provided by dropbox here https://www.dropbox.com/en_GB/install?os=lnx)
[23:33] <AEL-H> I am SSH'ing into my box, when I exit the SSH session the screen stays on and the process that was started lingers, but it seems to stop actually functioning, does anyone know what the problem might be?
[23:33] <Count_H> ok we will try that
[23:33] <wafflej0ck> that's the old socket file* I meant not lock file...
[23:38] <Harry-GAA001> Ok so I have managed to restart the mysql server, but it still won't let me do the thing where you start mysql skipping the grant tables, throws an error and won't restart mysql
[23:40] <dbarros> is there a way to a guest-XXXXX write a file in /var/tmp/fixedfile.log, owned by a 'guest-prefs' account? I can't seem to accomplish this. I would like to know if it's possible that each new guest-XXXXX created is part of the 'guest-prefs' group.
[23:41] <bekks> dbarros: Thats how you want to solve a specific issue - but what is the actual issue?
[23:47] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, hmm okay not sure where you're stuck on that exactly, good to show commands and output if possible (I realize your jumping between computers right now) but otherwise harder for me to guess at whats happening
[23:48] <Harry-GAA001> I can manage to stop mysql fine and I can restart in safe mode using sudo mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables & however, when I then try mysql -uroot I get an error saying "Error 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[23:49] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, okay if you run sudo service mysql status, does it show as stopped?
[23:49] <Harry-GAA001> Yea I get ya, just a bit slow trying to type from one to the other
[23:52] <Harry-GAA001> Ok I get a load of info back saying mysql.service - My SQL Commnunity Server followed by various lines saying loaded, enabled etc
[23:54] <lucas-arg> hey guys this is a simple question, i had to remove all my .files i dont know why i couldnt log in my user, after that all is ok, but ive lost the gnome terminal configuration... like colours that they have now, how can i recover them??
[23:54] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, yeah so the Active: part there should not say active(running) if it does we want to sudo serivce mysql stop, then ctrl+c where you had the mysqld running and restart that
[23:55] <Harry-GAA001> Under "Active inactive" it says (dead)
[23:55] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, ok that's not it then...
[23:57] <Harry-GAA001> So at the moment, I can stop and start the service fine, I just can't do the skip-grant-tables bit to allow me to set a new password. Even though I know the password I'm trying to use it correct.
[23:58] <wafflej0ck> when you re-ran mysqld it recreated the .sock file too or not, it should have been created, when you try to mysql -u root, you shouldn't actually need a password if it's skipping checking grants
[23:58] <wafflej0ck> Harry-GAA001, ^
[23:59] <Harry-GAA001> I can't get it to do the skip-grant-tables. It throws the above error when I try that method
[23:59] <lucas-arg> no one knows how to colorize my gnome terminal??


[00:32] <ChinnoDog> It is a glitch. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1333381/nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-21-04-hirsute-hippo#_=_
[09:30] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else