[01:50] <sabotagebeats> hi, i'm having trouble installing chrome
[02:18] <sabotagebeats> Hello I'm having issue installing google chrome deb, the installer freezes when opening the deb file. lubuntu 16.10 installed fresh today
[11:04] <dust> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24200745/
[11:05] <dust> deja dup is broken so all backups too and a distro without working backup is crap
[12:41] <TheSilentLink> love lubuntu it really does run on toasters!
[20:07] <Lokie> hi I have a pretty old laptop, that I installed lubuntu on. It works fine outside when I shut it down. It goes to the lubuntu screen with the dots and stays there indenfinetely
[20:07] <Lokie> any ideas?
[21:00] <drab> hi, should I expect to be able to get a full Lubuntu install, the same as installing from CD, if I bootstrap a system with mini and then install the lubuntu-desktop pkg?
[21:00] <drab> or is there some magic added on top of that?
[21:01] <drab> because I tried and some things just don't seem to work, like it's there 95% of the way
[22:42] <pleasedood> I have an acer aspireone d260
[22:43] <pleasedood> Is this a suitable distro for 1gb of ram and an intel atom n450?
[22:46] <drab> pleasedood: probably the most suitable you'll find


[14:37] <orenii> Hey everyone, I've got some issue with Ubuntu Server 18.04 LTS running on a Windows Server 2012 R2 (on Hyper-V). I indeed set a static ipv4 in `/etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml` and can ping my LAN network but I can't ping `<IP_ADDRESS>`.
[14:48] <supaman> orenii: sounds more like a problem with the network configuration in the hyper-v
[14:49] <mybalzitch> do you have a default route set?
[14:51] <orenii> supaman, I have other linux vms running (debian 9) and they work perfectly (static IP set)
[14:52] <orenii> mybalzitch, ```
[14:52] <orenii> mybalzitch, `
[14:52] <orenii> Kernel IP routing table
[14:52] <orenii> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[14:52] <orenii> <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>   <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    0      0        0 eth0
[14:52] <orenii> <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>   U     0      0        0 eth0
[14:52] <orenii> `
[14:52] <orenii> (sorry for the duplicate message, thought I could edit it)
[14:52] <supaman> please use a paste service for pastes like that
[14:54] <orenii> Yes sorry, you're right. But well, I found my mistake because I didn't check it twice -> gateway is `<IP_ADDRESS>` which is the DNS server whereas the gateway should be `<IP_ADDRESS>` and what's funny is that I did the mistake twice (I reinstalled the server)
[14:54] <supaman> ah, good :-)
[14:55] <orenii> Now it's just a DNS issue, it should be easily fixed I guess, thanks a lot guys
[15:14] <jiffe> 19.10 server installer seems to have issues, its crashed on me 3 times in different places now
[15:16] <supaman> virtual or bare metal?
[15:17] <jiffe> bare metal
[15:18] <supaman> faulty memory?
[15:18] <jiffe> I can test but I don't think so, its been running fine up to this point and I've been doing a lot of memory intensive work
[15:20] <supaman> or a broken iso file ... checked the md5 sum of the download file?
[15:43] <jiffe> memory is good, md5 checks out, I'm going to reflash the usb stick
[15:44] <compdoc> jiffe, use memtest86+, and check the SMART info in the hard drive
[16:35] <aberrant> morning
[16:35] <aberrant> is anyone else seeing frequent clock drift messages in their syslogs?
[16:41] <teward> aberrant: not on my systems, no.  Sounds like your system clock keeps drifting and needs reset by NTP / chrony / time sync
[16:47] <aberrant> teward: yeah. Why do you think that is?
[16:47] <aberrant> teward: it started happening after a reboot yesterday
[16:50] <aberrant> (after I did a purge of a bunch of software)
[16:53] <teward> not sure.  normally drift is caused by hardware clocks constantly drifting, I don't know why you'd suddenly start seeing a LOT of thsoe messages at once
[16:53] <teward> and clock drift can come from a number of different sources of issues
[16:58] <compdoc> those batteries for the cos clock only last a few years. if the battery measures below 3v, then it needs replaced. there are commands to test reading and writing to the motherboards cmos clock.
[16:59] <compdoc> *for the cmos clock
[16:59] <aberrant> compdoc: this is a brand-new mobo. Let's see if I can find some of those diagnostics
[17:00] <aberrant> seth@elemental:~$ cat /proc/driver/rtc | grep batt
[17:00] <aberrant> batt_status     : okay
[17:00] <compdoc> theres also a bios setting in some boards that prevent writing
[17:02] <compdoc> anyway, BF4 is calling me. theres a bullet with my name on it
[17:07] <aberrant> could someone paste /proc/driver/rtc from their system?
[17:22] <compdoc> https://pastebin.com/VsuwjfQb
[17:47] <aberrant> thanks
[17:48] <aberrant> mine looks identical
[17:48] <aberrant> ok, shutting down to see if it's a battery issue. brb


[01:22] <dmcglone1> Hi All
[01:23] <Unit193> Howdy
[01:30] <dmcglone1> What ya doing?
[01:31] <dmcglone1> I'm so ready to head back to Ohio
[01:31] <Cheri703> waiting for stupid files to transfer that are taking FOREVER
[01:32] <dmcglone1> Large ones Cheri703?
[01:33] <dmcglone1> I created another fb accound and uploaded all the pictures I got so far. took 2 hours almost
[01:33] <Cheri703> fairly, and they're coming off of external hdd, over the network to other computer -_- and for some reason it has decided to go at 3.8 MB / second
[01:33] <dmcglone1> thats pretty darn slow
[01:34] <Cheri703> yes
[01:34] <Cheri703> it was going faster earlier :/ and at this point, I don't want to restart it, as I've got 22 of 68gb already done
[01:36] <dmcglone1> is the network traffic high?
[01:37] <Cheri703> not really, I closed down as much as possible, and I'd think that it'd pick back up when possible
[01:39] <dmcglone1> Not much else to do now, but sleep.. ;-)
[01:39] <Cheri703> yeah -_- I'm even doing over wired network cable
[01:39] <Cheri703> when it was usb to local hdd, it was like 20+mb/s, but...not so much now
[01:42] <dmcglone1> usb is pretty fast
[01:43] <dmcglone1> I transfered a bunch of photos from an SD card to USB and it went fast. each photo was at least 3 - 4 MB
[01:44]  * canthus13 yawns.
[01:45] <Cheri703> aaand then computer froze so I had to reboot -_-
[01:46] <dmcglone1> is the external HDD accessible?
[01:46] <dmcglone1> wake up canthus13
[01:48] <Cheri703> I'm doing it in smaller chunks now
[01:49] <dmcglone1> why not just hook up the external HDD to the compter your transferring to and eliminate the network
[01:49]  * Unit193 has coffee
[01:50]  * canthus13 pokes dmcglone1.
[01:51]  * dmcglone1 is getting some cereal! :-)
[01:51] <Cheri703> usb 1.0 on that, so it'd probably be slower
[01:52] <Cheri703> it's ~6 now
[01:54] <canthus13> 1.0? Ew. it wouldn't work at all.. you'd need at least 1.1 to get an hd to work.
[01:54] <dmcglone1> dang how old is that computer? USB 2.0 has been around for a long long time
[01:54] <Cheri703> might be 1.1
[01:54] <Cheri703> dunno, it's not 2.0 though
[01:55]  * Unit193 has 1.1
[01:55] <Cheri703> it's...at least 6 years old I think
[01:55] <Cheri703> I've had the computer longer than I've known my husband
[01:55] <Cheri703> well, I have had it for at least 6, I think it was a few years old at that point
[01:56] <dmcglone1> LOL that reminds me, Monday was my 20 year anniversary :-)
[01:56] <Cheri703> good ol' p4
[01:56] <Cheri703> congrats dmcglone1
[01:58] <dmcglone1> Thanks, we celebrated tonight at a place called Medival Times. It was a restaurant that was one of them stadiums where Knights would joust and sword fight and stuff
[01:58] <dmcglone1> It was nice
[02:01] <Cheri703> hehe, we went to the myrtle beach medieval times when we went to MB for band :)
[02:03] <dmcglone1> Cool. Same place we went this evening. Did you like it?
[02:03] <Unit193> Does anyone keep track of new Ubuntu Ohio members? Do they just join and ignore?
[02:04] <dmcglone1> brb gonna go smoke a cig. can't smoke in the condo, so I have to go out on the balcony :-/
[02:09] <dmcglone1> Unit193: I wondered that too
[02:13] <dmcglone1> well all, I'm out. I'll probably be back tomorrow evening before we head back saturday.
[02:13] <dmcglone1> g'night all
[02:51] <Cheri703> ugh, getting proper NAS is back up at the top of my want list
[02:51] <Cheri703> and a BIG hard drive
[02:51] <Cheri703> or two
[02:59] <Cheri703> or just a proper server I suppose
[03:14] <canthus13> Get three drives.
[03:14] <canthus13> then raid 'em.
[03:16]  * Cheri703 hasn't done anything with raid yet
[03:46] <canthus13> Now's as good of a time as any to learn.
[03:49] <Cheri703> once I can afford new toys...that will not be for quite some time :/
[16:59] <Cheri703> if anyone sees dmcglone, can you have him pm me?
[17:01] <Unit193> Sure....?
[17:05] <Cheri703> website question
[18:57] <Unit193> canthus13: Do you happen to know how to bind the SuperKey in irssi?
[18:58] <canthus13> Unit193: Umm.. nope. never tried it.
[18:59] <Unit193> I need more than 30bindings and I don't want to remove any...


[05:11] <pitti> cjwatson: I'll have a look now (autopkgtests)
[05:11] <pitti> infinity, slangasek: looking (ddebs); we keep ddebs for 30 days, they should all still be there
[05:24] <pitti> cjwatson: ah yes, seems it's due to python-jenkins and oauth
[05:49] <pitti> doko_: rails-3.2 now fails with "Could not find gem 'sqlite3 (>= 0) ruby' in the gems available on this machine"
[05:51] <doko_> pitti, I love ruby ...
[05:54] <pitti> infinity, slangasek: hm, ddeb indexes for trusty-{updates,security} do exist; maybe infinity already poked them?
[05:54] <pitti> although I did set up cronjobs for them last week
[05:54] <pitti> doko_: don't we all :/
[06:14] <Mirv> regarding autopkg we're waiting most of all for unity8/unity-mir
[06:35] <jibel> Hi, with the change of authentication in jenkins, autopkgtest are blocked (remote builds are not allowed) I'm on it with the CI team
[06:36] <Mirv> thanks jibel
[06:42] <doko_> pitti, jibel: python3.4 autopkg test failed to fetch archive index :-/
[06:42] <pitti> doko_: retrying
[06:42] <doko_> but there was a real error too,
[06:43] <pitti> hm, no, not on #9
[06:43] <pitti> doko_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7364387/
[06:44] <pitti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7364396/ <- more complete
[06:45] <doko_> pitti, I only see #8
[06:45] <pitti> doko_: yes, i386 for #9 is still running, d-jenkins only copies to public jenkins once both are done
[06:45] <doko_> ahh
[06:45] <pitti> http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/utopic-adt-python3.4/9/
[06:46] <pitti> (argh jenkins)
[07:56] <jamespage> please could someone reject juju-mongodb - still in trusty mode :-(
[08:04] <jibel> to unblock autopkgtest I disabled job creation, so only tests that already exist in jenkins will be triggered
[08:18] <cjwatson> jamespage: done
[08:19] <jamespage> cjwatson, thanks
[09:02] <cjwatson> pitti: Do you know what causes things like http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-git-annex/ARCH=i386,label=adt/9/console ?
[09:02] <pitti> cjwatson: yes, I do; that's very high on my TODO list
[09:02]  * pitti retries test in the meantime
[09:03] <cjwatson> Yeah, I just did and it passed on amd64 but failed on i386
[09:04] <cjwatson> So I guess it's random?
[09:04] <pitti> cjwatson: yes, it is
[09:04] <pitti> race condition in the copying back and forth of files between host and testbed
[09:04] <pitti> I can reproduce it reliably and know how to fix it properly
[09:39] <darkxst> infinity, no idea who is working on the cogl transition but it seems to be blocked by your block on rtmpdump?
[09:46] <doko> pitti, how did the ruby-defaults enter with the failing rails-3.2 test?
[09:49] <pitti> doko: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ruby-defaults doesn't show rails-3.2, so it looks like another instance of the results examination bug; jibel has a fix for that now, but it's not rolled out yet
[09:49] <doko> pitti, well it did show it until recently
[09:50] <pitti> right
[09:50] <pitti> that's the bug, it makes results disappear
[09:51] <doko> and they disappear when a new rebuild is triggered?
[09:51] <pitti> sometimes, yes
[09:52] <pitti> rather, when new results come in after finishing a new run
[09:52] <pitti> we see that very often now as dependencies change very fast
[09:52] <pitti> didn't happen all that often during trusty, so it was much harder to trigger
[09:54] <doko> yes, but apparently much more often for packages where rebuilds are triggered more often, like gcc ...
[09:54] <pitti> exactly
[09:54] <pitti> that's why we saw it on libgcc1 last cycle, etc.
[09:55] <pitti> and regularly on eglibc uploads
[10:10] <doko> who needs to be told about the new ubuntu version for links in http://packages.qa.debian.org/ ?
[10:12] <knome> doko, balloons
[10:14] <doko> balloons, ^^^ please search the recent version in utopic, not trusty
[10:20] <cjwatson> since when was balloons responsible for packages.qa.debian.org?  the Ubuntu versions there are a UDD thing
[10:21] <knome> oh, oops.
[10:21]  * knome facepalms
[10:22] <cjwatson> let me see, I think I can at least change the source
[10:23] <doko> or file a bug for qa.debian.org?
[10:23] <cjwatson> well, I've pushed the necessary change
[10:23] <cjwatson> You could but a bit late :)
[10:23] <doko> ok, thanks
[10:24] <cjwatson> Laney: Do I need to deploy ubuntu-releases.yaml changes manually, or is it done automatically?
[10:24]  * Laney disclaims all knowledge
[10:24] <Laney> wait
[10:24] <Laney> that's a change to UDD?
[10:24] <Laney> (thought it was to the PTS itself)
[10:25] <Laney> you need to pull on ullmann
[10:25] <cjwatson> You were the last person to change that files
[10:25] <cjwatson> *file
[10:25] <cjwatson> OK, let me see if I have access
[10:25] <Laney> Can do it if you don't
[10:25] <Laney> I don't think I was aware that this is the file the PTS uses
[10:26] <cjwatson> The PTS uses UDD for that, yeah
[10:27] <cjwatson> Laney: I'm not in uddadm and don't have sudo to udd, so if you could pull that'd be great, thanks
[10:28] <Laney> done
[10:28] <cjwatson> ta
[10:31] <cjwatson> doko: should update itself in about four hours
[10:31] <cjwatson> 30 2,8,14,20 * * * cd /srv/packages.qa.debian.org/www && nice -15 flock -n .do_all.lock bin/do_all.sh
[10:50] <doko> pitti, should systemd-services be demoted?
[10:50] <pitti> doko: it's NBS, can go away
[10:51] <pitti> doko: I'll deal with the remaining rdepends
[10:51] <cjwatson> NBS won't go away until the rdepends do
[10:51] <pitti> yes, that's why I wonder why it's already on c-m
[10:51] <pitti> e. g. gnome-settings-daemon still recommends it without alternative
[10:52] <pitti> doko: but if you don't mind I'll do that cleanup later, I'm currently working on the various autopkgtest SNAFUs
[10:52] <pitti> for now systemd has a C/R/P: systemd-services
[10:52] <pitti> ah, that's probably why it's in c-m
[10:52] <doko> sure
[10:53] <cjwatson> NBS isn't totally accurate of course
[12:45] <arges> Hi. the package in -proposed for neutron/saucy has the wrong bug number. Do we need to remove from -proposed and reupload?
[12:47] <arges> infinity: cjwatson ^^^
[12:48] <pitti> arges: if it's in the unapproved queue, yes; once it got accepted, no; but hopefully it didn't get accepted with a wrong bug ref?
[12:48] <arges> pitti: it did get accepted with the wrong bug ref. : (
[12:48] <pitti> arges: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+queue?queue_state=1 doesn't have a neutron package though, so I guess it did get accepted?
[12:49] <pitti> arges: so in theory we can also remove it from saucy-proposed, but you need a new upload with a higher version number anyway
[12:49] <pitti> as that version number is now used
[12:49] <cjwatson> I would probably remove and reupload, although it's possible (just annoying) to avoid that
[12:50] <cjwatson> you would need to remove the old entry from the changelog if doing that
[12:50] <cjwatson> or retrospectively edit it
[12:50] <arges> cjwatson: ok how is that accomplished? I think jamespage would appreciate it since they've already verified all openstack packages
[12:51] <cjwatson> how is which accomplished?
[12:51] <cjwatson> I gave two options :)
[12:51] <arges> Avoiding a removal and re-upload.
[12:51] <cjwatson> sru-release and then go around reopening bugs
[12:51] <cjwatson> and closing the proper ones
[12:51] <cjwatson> but I'd still recommend retrospectively editing the changelog in whatever branch is appropriate, for future uploads
[12:51] <cjwatson> so that eventually users can see the right thing
[12:52] <arges> cjwatson: ok so the changelog edit would be an SRU on top of the existing one?
[12:52] <arges> the retrospective changelog edit that is
[12:53] <cjwatson> you wouldn't SRU just for that, just make sure it's in the next upload
[12:53] <cjwatson> it being neutron I assume there will eventually be one
[12:53] <arges> cjwatson: ok sounds good. Thanks
[12:54] <jamespage> cjwatson, arges: OK - I'll do the branch edit now
[12:56] <jamespage> arges, done
[13:07] <infinity> pitti: I fixed it yesterday, yes.  Your crontab lacked -updates.
[13:09] <pitti> infinity: ah, thanks
[13:11] <infinity> pitti: It was a bit embarassing how long I spend grepping and reading bits of your source before I realised it was just a missing argument to the cron job. :P
[13:11] <infinity> s/spend/spent/
[13:12] <pitti> infinity: heh, sorry about that
[13:15] <infinity> pitti: And now the crontab is gone?
[13:15] <infinity> pitti: Did you just delete it, or am I on crack?
[13:16] <infinity> Oh, or I can't type.
[13:16] <infinity> La la la.
[13:16] <infinity> pitti: Ignore me.  Waking up hurts.
[13:20] <pitti> infinity: forgot the sudo? :-)
[13:21] <infinity> pitti: No, can't type "crontab" and mistook bash's "not found" for crontab telling me there wasn't one. :P
[13:21] <infinity> (corntab -l)
[13:21] <ogra_> yummy
[13:22] <pitti> infinity: sounds like breakfast cereal to me
[13:22] <ogra_> ++
[14:58] <ogra_> whee !
[15:01] <sil2100> Yeaaah, needs NEWing still though... o/
[16:45] <doko> pitti, jibel: please restart the rails-3.2 autopkg test
[16:45] <xnox> doko: if you have vpn, you can use launchpad SSO login and restart yourself these days =)
[16:46] <doko> xnox, ohh
[16:46] <xnox> doko: we've finally migrated to launchpad teams for managements and ~ubuntu-archive & canonical-foundations are part of it.
[16:47] <xnox> doko: rails-3.2 rescheduled.
[16:48] <xnox> doko: cause it might take a while figuring out vpn/dns/sso first time around =) but the incentives are there.
[16:50] <infinity> I don't bother with fancy VPN stuff, I just sshuttle to batuan, and add d-jenkins.ci to /etc/hosts, works well.
[16:50] <xnox> infinity: =)))) nice. does sso work with sshuttle?
[16:50] <infinity> xnox: Why wouldn't it?
[16:50] <xnox> true.
[16:51] <xnox> yeah, it just needs dns for callback.
[16:51] <xnox> (redirect)
[16:51] <xnox> doko: all green now.
[16:52] <doko> good, ruby-2.1 is the default. now let's the server team fix puppet ;p
[17:33] <dbarth> hello, me again for some SRU requests ;)
[17:34] <dbarth> if someone can scan webbrowser-app for this merge/bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1302780
[17:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1302780 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu Trusty) "[webapp-container] Google Apps For Business support when using an external SSO provider" [High,Fix committed]
[17:35] <dbarth> i'd like it to move to -proposed to release further webbrowser-app updates on trusty; thanks in advance
[20:19] <robru> infinity, hi, just wondering about gst-plugins-bad1.0. any chance we can get that landed in utopic?
[20:25] <infinity> robru: We can look into dropping the blocks and seeing how britney does, yeah.  For a while, it was spending ~4h per run just to tell us that some transitions weren't ready yet.
[20:26] <robru> infinity, yeah, if you could I'd appreciate it. we got ourselves into another one of those situations where somebody was expecting a silo to be atomic, and then gst-plugins-bad1.0 got stuck in proposed while the rest of the silo didn't, leaving utopic in an inconsistent state.
[20:27] <xnox> infinity: won't work.
[20:27] <xnox> infinity: so everything would still be blocked on getfem++ not able to launch scilab on powerpc.
[20:27] <xnox> infinity: i can upload getfem++ with scilab portion disabled on powerpc for now, and then gremove getfem-scilab on powerpc, and then we can drop all the blocks and everything should be able to migrate.
[20:28] <xnox> or like force getfem-scilab to be uninstallable
[20:28] <xnox> (demote to proposed?)
[20:29] <robru> xnox, oh please, yes
[20:29] <infinity> robru: No one should expect silos to migrate atomically.  If migration of individual bits breaks, that should be reflected in the dependencies.
[20:29] <infinity> robru: Partial upgrades are a fact of life in Debian packaging, ignoring that does no one any favours.
[20:29] <robru> infinity, yes, I know that, but we have a hard time coordinating that with upstreams (also we are bad at pridicting what will get stuck in proposed and what will fly right through)
[20:29] <infinity> xnox: Hrm, let me see this mess you speak of.
[20:30] <infinity> robru: Sure, but even if stuff "flies through", there's no guarantee that users won't upgrade just one bit, and if your deps let them and that breaks, boom.
[20:30] <xnox> bug #1314646
[20:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1314646 in scilab (Ubuntu) "scilab fails to launch on powerpc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1314646
[20:30] <infinity> robru: OOI, what actually breaks?
[20:30] <robru> true
[20:31] <infinity> robru: It shouldn't be hard for people to know "I'm relying on feature X from Package Y, so I must depend on it".
[20:31] <robru> infinity, not actually sure what will break. i just noticed we have a silo with *NINE* different source packages, eight of which made it to the archive.
[20:31] <infinity> robru: This sort of thing bites people years later when we're testing lts->lts upgrades, and realise a postinst depends on a new feature, and unpack order isn't what you thought, etc.
[20:31] <infinity> robru: If nothing actually breaks, you might be worrying about, well, nothing. :)
[20:31] <robru> infinity, the trick I think is predicting ci-train's autogenerated version numbers. Hard to write a dependency against a version number you don't know ahead of time
[20:32] <infinity> robru: You know the upstream snapshot date where the new feature happened.
[20:32] <infinity> robru: So you can do Breaks/Depends based on those.
[20:32] <xnox> infinity: so because of that bug getfem++ FTBFS, and it needs to rebuild to unblock scalapack and cogl transitions i believe, which entangle gpsd & plist, but i think not librtmp1&libraw.
[20:32] <infinity> Caused by: java.lang.RuntimeException: Incompatible MachineDescriptions:
[20:32] <infinity>  Static MachineDescriptionStatic: X86_32_UNIX(1): MachineDescription: runtimeValidated false, littleEndian true, 32Bit true, primitive size / alignment:
[20:32] <xnox> infinity: hm, drop the blocks you committed and lets see how long britney grinds for - and whether stuff migrates or not.
[20:32] <infinity> xnox: ^ on powerpc, you say? :P
[20:33] <robru> infinity, yes it's all true. but all I know is that I woke up this morning and I've got this silo and one of the packages is stuck in proposed. I'm just assuming that the people that started this landing really do want to get this gst-plugins-bad update in ;-)
[20:33] <xnox> infinity: yes, on powerpc. I'm failing to trace where X86_32 is coming from - regression in openjdk, scilab, or some components in between.
[20:33] <xnox> infinity: it also fails in debian and trusty.
[20:33] <infinity> xnox: That's pretty amazingly special.
[20:34] <infinity> xnox: I'll try to look at that after this unblock experiment.
[20:34] <xnox> infinity: oh, and scilab has it's test-suite disabled, which does catch above failure if enabled....
[20:34] <infinity> xnox: Of course. :(
[20:35] <xnox> infinity: if i had root chroot on a powerpc machine, i'm happy to investigate further to see who the real culprit is.
[20:35] <infinity> World unblocked.  Let's see if britney has a heart attack.
[20:35] <infinity> xnox: Why would you need root?
[20:36] <xnox> infinity: well ability to either (a) modify sources or (b) install packages with $ sudo dpkg -i -> i'd want to see if downgrading openjdk helps and/or running older scilabs. Cause i can't be bother to run java apps from unpacked debs =)
[20:40] <doko> infinity, xnox: this is Sylvestre's go and run strategy :-/
[20:40] <xnox> doko: well, i've tested that late scilab update in trusty. but not on powerpc, evidently.
[20:41] <infinity> I'd be amazed if it worked anywhere !x86, based on that output.
[20:41] <infinity> Except possibly by sheer luck of matching endian and bitness.
[20:41] <doko> yeah, but scilab is plain broken, and I only scratched the worst autotools sins
[20:41] <infinity> Or something.
[20:41] <xnox> infinity: there is one more option - > hack the hell out of getfem++ build-system to build using CLI scilab (which does work everywhere) without trying to initialise any of the gui components (which fail on powerpc as above)
[20:42] <xnox> my baby attempts at hacking scilab scripts did make it run half-way and then eventually fail.
[20:43] <doko> well, he was employed as Scilab release manager, now he is employed as firefox release manager ...
[20:43] <infinity> ...
[20:43] <infinity> Time to switch browsers?
[20:44] <xnox> infinity: funny you should say that, apperately oem teams are building images with chromium for some folks.
[20:45] <infinity> xnox: Yeah, chrome and I don't even remotely get along.  Hopefully Mozilla's current release processes aren't perverted by this hire. :P
[20:46] <infinity> xnox: I'll have a quick poke at scilab, but if we must, we can disable the scilab bits on ppc for now.
[20:47] <infinity> xnox: Since the getfem++ packaging already allows for that for other arches where scilab sucks^wisn't ported.
[20:47] <xnox> infinity: yeap.
[20:48] <xnox> infinity: how is britney doing? did you kick off a manual run?
[20:49] <infinity> Just started.
[20:53] <Laney> AIEEEE
[20:54] <infinity> Yeah, that's what I was afraid of.
[20:55] <xnox> what happened?
[20:55] <xnox> maybe you can unblock on thing at a time? or block all haskell.
[20:55] <Laney> watch http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/2014-04-30/20:48:14.log
[20:56] <xnox> but openjpeg transition is at 100% as per current tracker.... http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/openjpeg.html
[20:56] <xnox> hint things together?
[20:56] <xnox> infinity: hint openjpeg with gst-plugins-bad1.0 and libav?
[20:57] <xnox> and calligra?
[20:57] <infinity> It would need a lot more than those, surely?
[20:59] <xnox> infinity: well, all those from http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/openjpeg.html there are only 13 packages that depend on libopenjpeg2 in the archive.
[20:59] <infinity> xnox: But if openjpeg is tied to another transition, hinting those 13 won't help.
[21:00] <xnox> right.
[21:00] <xnox> and it is.
[21:01] <Laney> I'm guessing that is why the overflow is happening
[21:01] <infinity> Yeah.
[21:01] <Laney> looks like the autohinter tried ~xnox's suggestion anyway, and it failed
[21:01] <infinity> I might let this run to completion and put together all the autohinter's attempts into one larger hint.
[21:01] <xnox> infinity: why doesn't it skip after first counter overflow.
[21:01] <xnox> ?
[21:02] <infinity> xnox: You're asking my like I wrote it.  The code's public, go ask it. :P
[21:02] <xnox> =))))))))
[21:02] <infinity> I assume it's walking different dep trees each time to produce a workable graph.
[21:02] <xnox> infinity: i don't touch girls.
[21:03] <Laney> proposed-migration is a boys name
[21:03] <infinity> Seems pretty gender-neutral to me.
[21:04] <xnox> fair enough. ooh marble came up from gpsd try.
[21:05] <xnox> hm, it was rebuild against gps
[21:05] <infinity> Looks like cinnamon still wants a cogl rebuild too.
[21:05] <xnox> infinity: cinnamon is in -proposed only.
[21:06] <infinity> Sure, just sayin'...
[21:06] <xnox> in ftbfs against gjs/gnome3.10 stack, not sure if it is buildable now ( i think we got new gjs)
[21:06] <infinity> Oh look, cogl migrated.
[21:07] <infinity> But not a whole lot else.
[21:08] <xnox> shapelib mini transition.
[21:09] <infinity> Anyhow, that runtime was acceptable even with the AIEEEs, so I'll leave things unblocked for now, and we can see about trying to ease the pain.
[21:09] <infinity> Well, "acceptable"... It wasn't 4 hours.
[21:10]  * infinity goes to find something to eat and/or drink before his head explodes.
[22:50] <xnox> arges: on bug #1313712 somehow there is not "verification-needed" tag which should be added when package is accepted into -proposed pocket.
[22:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1313712 in libselinux (Ubuntu Trusty) "Trusty's libselinux1 causes issues with Precise's upstart during dist-upgrade" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313712
[22:50] <xnox> arges: somebody else verified it already, so i'll just tag it verification-done.
[22:59] <infinity> xnox: If you're going to forward that fix to Debian, please use the version from libc6.postinst, not yours.
[22:59] <infinity> xnox: Yours isn't other-init-friendly.
[23:00] <xnox> infinity: yeah, it needs an extra is_init_upstart guard.
[23:00] <infinity> xnox: Or just use my version. :P
[23:00] <xnox> infinity: yeah. or that.
[23:40] <xnox> gpsd migrated, the rest still generating piles of doom.
[23:42] <xnox> shapelib also migrated.
[23:44] <infinity> Well, we're getting there.  gpsd used to be one of the overflows.


[04:53] <SmSpillaz> I don't know if the unity developers are here - but if so, would they accept a patch wich would make public void show_window_picker () in unity-shell/src/window.vala set an window property on the root window (something like _UNITY_EXPOSE_MODE_ENABLED / _UNITY_EXPOSE_MODE_DISABLED) so that other compositing window managers like compiz and kwin can hook this and show their own expose effect when mutter is not running?
[05:23] <hyperair> SmSpillaz: judging from commit logs alone, it seems that you'd be looking for didrocks and njpatel, neither of which are here.
[05:24] <hyperair> SmSpillaz: didrocks is on #ubuntu-{devel,desktop,motu} though, so you could head over there and poke him.
[05:25] <SmSpillaz> hyperair: thanks
[05:25] <hyperair> SmSpillaz: anything for the compiz superstar ;-)
[05:25] <SmSpillaz> :)
[05:25] <SmSpillaz> I don't know why they are using mutter in unity , but eh
[05:29] <hyperair> SmSpillaz: i dunno either. i'm no mutter fan.
[05:29] <hyperair> that thing saps a crapton of memory
[05:30] <hyperair> and for some very strange reason, i'm constantly running low on memory even with 2G worth of memory
[05:31]  * SmSpillaz triggered oom killer on his netbook the other day
[05:32] <nigelb> hyperair: added some to your brain during exam time? ;)
[05:32] <hyperair> nigelb: it'd have died due to overuse.
[05:32]  * SmSpillaz doesn't want to be reminded of exams
[05:33] <nigelb> hyperair: lol
[05:33] <hyperair> ;-)
[05:33] <hyperair> and overexposure to Java.
[05:33] <hyperair> yes, Java is memory's natural enemy.
[05:33] <SmSpillaz> we have something like that at my uni
[05:33] <SmSpillaz> "warning this unit involves java"
[05:33] <hyperair> Java?
[05:33] <hyperair> oh lol!
[05:33] <hyperair> that's cool
[05:36] <SmSpillaz> http://wiki.ucc.asn.au/ObjectOrientedProgrammingCITS2210?highlight=(CategoryUnits)
[05:36] <SmSpillaz> (!) AFJU (another f.... java unit)
[05:37] <hyperair> that's so cool.
[05:37] <SmSpillaz> http://wiki.ucc.asn.au/CategoryUnits
[05:37] <SmSpillaz> I don't do computer science though (strangely()
[05:37] <hyperair> what do you do then?
[05:37] <SmSpillaz> law/arts
[05:38] <hyperair> ooh UWA. the university with the world's best acronym.
[05:38] <SmSpillaz> :p
[05:38] <hyperair> hehehe
[05:38] <SmSpillaz> it goes by "u dub"
[05:38] <hyperair> u dub?
[05:38] <SmSpillaz> yay for having no life and double overloading every semester!
[05:39] <hyperair> heh. i don't overload every semester, but i have no life anyway. whee.
[05:39] <SmSpillaz> hyperair: yeah "u doub-" (as in "u double-u") but too lazy to pronounce the A
[05:39] <hyperair> ah. heheh
[10:14] <C10uD> hello, any appindicator dev around here?
[10:16] <C10uD> i have issues with submenu, i wrote a simple test case
[10:18] <C10uD> i'll open a bug then :)
[10:20] <C10uD> i guess my problem reflects this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-application/+bug/530138
[10:21] <C10uD> with .add() seem working, mhh
[11:07] <thorwil> vish: are you sure <<Navigation(children,1)>>  is useful on /Ayatana?
[11:08] <thorwil> i commented it out, as only some of the material is actually in sub pages
[11:08] <thorwil> so this becomes a seemingly random list, bound to confuse
[11:32] <vish> thorwil: mostly to keep track of the main page , and not have too many Ayatana/randomidea pages ;)
[13:02] <jcastro> vish: ping
[13:03] <vish> jcastro: o/
[13:04] <jcastro> vish: I found a new guy locally who wants to get involved in ubuntu, I was thinking of throwing him towards 100 papercuts, do you have time to mentor?
[13:04] <vish> jcastro: sure
[13:04] <jcastro> <3
[23:18] <kermiac> hi tedg
[23:18] <tedg> kermiac, Howdy
[23:18] <kermiac> i see that you saw the bug report with the apport hook in it :)
[23:19] <kermiac> do you have any other ideas for what info needs to be collected?
[23:20] <tedg> kermiac, I think it would be a good first pass.  Let's see what happens when we get that data, and then adjust.
[23:20] <kermiac> ok, excellent :)
[23:20] <tedg> kermiac, I don't know how to add an apport hook, etc.  So someone else will have to actually put it in place though.
[23:20] <tedg> kermiac, BTW, thanks for writing it!
[23:21] <kermiac> I'm not 100% happy with the wording of the questions the hook is asking, do you thing the wording needs to be changed at all?
[23:21] <tedg> I have to go now, but you should grab someone to see about getting it in the package.
[23:21] <kermiac> no probs tedg, glad to help out :)
[23:21] <tedg> Uhm, I didn't look through the wording :)
[23:21] <kermiac> ok, I'll ping seb later on today
[23:21] <tedg> I'll try to next time I sit down at a computer.
[23:21] <kermiac> ok, thanks tedg :)


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 :-(
 Dont run that
 don;t do it
 Wasn't planning on it
 I mean I didn't get to meet up
 There honestly was not something setup
 We will need to do something like we used to again soon
 aaron shared "bashpocketreference_2ndedition.pdf" with you … https://cloud.ahoneybun.net/index.php/s/xzSw6Sb2iH8VnPC
 Hector
 KMyers shared "Humble Book Bundle: Joy of Coding" with you … https://office.kmyers.me/index.php/s/uapZE3FlqK547X0
 @KMyers, I like to play "can I terminate it quick enough".  The answer is usually no.
 weird this mirco sd card is not detected
 I will look at it tomorrow
 pretty sure it's the adapter as the SD card works in the Fire
 I have tons of those around here
 https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/download-debian-9-cd-dvd-iso-images/
 NICs are now named by BIOS slots.  enp3s1
 Instead of eth0
 Interesting
 https://i.imgur.com/J4ffeVh.jpg
 niceee
 Dat upload
 Details, what am I looking at?
 @Abrerr, That is impressive for a month but this is just the past 24 hours at home
 What generated that sort of traffic? A seed box?
 No, just my remote backups to NextCloud - A pre-hurricane season full backup
 @KMyers you turned on that 3 attempt lock out thing?
 Not yet
 well it's on
 Will double check in a bit
 well somethings up as I just reset my pw and it locked me out
 @KMyers what do you use for backup? Some r sync of files, manual copy or some backup software pointed to your cloud?
 NextCloud
 And Crashplan
 Those nav buttons are on the gs8?
 Er sg
 Yes
 https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6hzjpv/ryan_reynolds_posted_this_with_caption_dropped_by/
 Joel: … Well, I feel incredibly uninformed right now, not had of hearing about flatpak or appimage
 @Ivoriesablaze, That is a whole topic of debate. Each has advantages and downsides


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[06:08] <Kilos> morning all and sundry
[06:29] <Private_User> morning all
[06:30] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[06:30] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[06:34] <theblazehen> morning
[06:35] <Private_User> morning theblazehen
[06:35] <Kilos> hi theblazehen bushtech
[06:37] <bushtech> Morning Kilos you well?
[06:38] <Kilos> apart from month old flu im good ty bushtech and you?
[06:39] <Private_User> ...month old flu?
[06:40] <Private_User> sorry
[06:41] <Kilos> hehe im getting used to it seems like
[06:41] <Cantide> afternoon everyone~
[06:42] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[06:43] <bushtech> I'm good Kilos, thanks
[06:50] <theblazehen> hi Cantide
[06:52] <Private_User> afternoon Cantide
[06:53] <Kilos> bushtech, you running kde?
[06:53] <Private_User> although it is morning here the last time I checked
[06:53] <Private_User> but then again  I have not checked the time in a while
[06:53] <Kilos> hehe
[06:54] <Kilos> he is in korea i think
[06:54] <bushtech> got kde on my lmce core
[06:54] <Private_User> lol yeah only kidding
[06:54] <Kilos> ah i wondered about quassel
[06:55] <bushtech> this quassel on windoze machine Kilos
[06:55] <Kilos> wow
[06:55] <Kilos> you clever hey
[06:58] <theblazehen> Quassel is nice if you use a GUI
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[07:09] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:09] <Kilos> :-)
[07:16] <theblazehen> h iTh
[07:16] <theblazehen> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:27] <Private_User> morning ThatGraemeGuy
[07:30] <Kilos> theblazehen, http://businesstech.co.za/news/general/56447/surge-in-bitcoin-cybercrime/
[07:30] <Kilos> you the bitcoin guy hey?
[07:43] <Kilos> hi charl_
[07:45] <charl_> hi Kilos
[07:45] <charl_> hi Golynx
[07:45] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:45]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:45] <Golynx> hi charl_
[07:45] <charl_> i love this new freenode server in NL
[07:46] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[07:46] <Golynx> faster ?
[07:46] <charl_> --- wilhelm.freenode.net ping statistics ---
[07:46] <charl_> 18 packets transmitted, 18 received, 0% packet loss, time 17021ms
[07:46] <charl_> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 5.044/5.128/5.284/0.112 ms
[07:47] <charl_> me gusta
[07:47] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[07:47] <Golynx> nice
[07:48] <charl_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7378039/
[07:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[07:50] <theblazehen> Kilos: yeah, bitcoin guy here
[07:50] <Kilos> looks like the baddies are targetting them
[07:50] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[07:50] <Maaz> charl_: Okay :-)
[07:51] <theblazehen> yep
[07:51] <theblazehen> Easy to steal if not carefull
[07:51] <Private_User> you I don't understand why all these ISPs and Telecoms companies wanna merge, why don't they all operate as individual companies and compete with each other, that way we as consumers can benefit with lower prices
[07:51] <Private_User> was just reading a few news articles on the web
[07:52] <theblazehen> Private_User: they wanna marge to reduce competition maybe? Eastablish a monopoly
[07:52] <Private_User> I know they doing it to increase their bottom line but seriously when is the monopoly gonna be over
[07:53] <Private_User> yeah I agree theblazehen and thats what irritates me especially when we need broadband access and are now subjected to paying these ridiculous prices
[07:55] <Private_User> this is one of many reasons I believe is what slows progress
[07:57] <theblazehen> Private_User: heard of mesh networks? Probably not feasable, but the try to reduce the monopoly
[07:57] <theblazehen> Google hyperboria
[08:01] <charl_> Private_User: in NL there is now a thing that the two major cable companies want to merge, but the one seems to be in trouble
[08:01] <charl_> Private_User: the european commission is now going to launch an anti-competitive investigation
[08:02] <Private_User> thanks theblazehen, reading up on it now
[08:02] <Private_User>  but I also remember a while back somebody posted a link here about another project for so called "free open source software equivalent" to internet access, anybody has that link or remember what it was called?
[08:09] <Private_User> theblazehen: so is this like in simple terms a really huge private network or am I misunderstanding?
[08:09] <Golynx> hi Private_User, theblazehen, drussell
[08:10] <Private_User> hi Golynx
[08:10] <theblazehen> Private_User: yeah, basically
[08:10] <Private_User> ok cool
[08:10] <drussell> Golynx: hey, morning
[08:10] <charl_> hi theblazehen
[08:11] <charl_> hi drussell
[08:11]  * drussell waves to charl_
[08:11] <Private_User> but it almost sounds like TOR network, does it protect your anonymity on the web as well?
[08:11] <theblazehen> h i charl_
[08:12] <theblazehen> Private_User: yeah, kinda like tor. If you only route through it then it should
[08:12] <Private_User> cool, interesting stuff
[08:13] <Kilos> Private_User, you still gonna use mobile data to get there so what is the point
[08:13] <theblazehen> Kilos: if you build a large enough mesh then you could route through wifi networks until you get an internet connection
[08:14] <theblazehen> I'm busy working on a project to monetize the nodes so that you could then pay end nodes for internet
[08:14] <Kilos> oh i see
[08:14] <theblazehen> and nodes in between a little too
[08:14] <Kilos> but peeps in rural areas gotta use 3g to get online
[08:14]  * Golynx wished wifi had a further reach
[08:14] <Private_User> yeah and I can be anonymous Kilos and live up to my nick Private_User :D
[08:14] <theblazehen> could use microwave or directional wifi antennas
[08:15] <theblazehen> Reach a few KMs with directional wifi
[08:16] <Kilos> yip but like im 7 or 8 ks from the nearest wifi and about 50 to 100 metres lower down and a hump in between
[08:16] <theblazehen> http://store.netgate.com/airFiber-24-GHz-Point-to-Point-14Gbps-Radio-USA-P1770.aspx
[08:16] <theblazehen> Reaches 13 km
[08:16] <Kilos> so need a tower over 50 metres high to get line of site
[08:16] <theblazehen> yeah
[08:16] <Golynx> theblazehen that sounds expensive
[08:16] <theblazehen> With true 1.4Gbps+ data throughput and up to 13 km range, airFiber provides a breakthrough in 24GHz backhaul performance.Y
[08:16] <theblazehen> Golynx: yep
[08:17] <theblazehen> Our Price:  $1,495.00
[08:18] <theblazehen> http://store.netgate.com/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-Loco-M5-5GHz-Hi-Power-2x2-MIMO-AirMax-Station-P1349.aspx
[08:18] <theblazehen> 150+ Mpbs real outdoor throughput and up to 15km+ range.
[08:18] <theblazehen> Our Price:  $69.00
[08:19] <charl_> hi Tonberry_
[08:19] <Vince-0> o/
[08:20] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 Tonberry
[08:21] <Private_User1> I like your idea theblazehen
[08:21] <Kilos> oi the net inna bad state
[08:31] <theblazehen> Why we have two ubuntulog's?
[08:31] <charl_> the one probably needs to time out
[08:38] <Kilos> oi netsplits again
[08:38] <Golynx> ai attack again :-/
[08:58] <Kilos> Maaz, killem
[08:58] <Maaz> Oh I wish I could Kilos It is so frustrating!
[09:01] <Golynx> lol
[09:04] <magespawn> good day
[09:04] <Golynx> hi magespawn
[09:05] <magespawn> hi Golynx
[09:23] <Kilos> ai! at times i think the bad peeps hack my modem offline
[09:24] <Kilos> have to disable networking and move modem to another usb socket then enable networking them it goes online again
[09:24] <Kilos> grrrr
[10:15] <Golynx> isn't it better to restart network manager
[10:15] <Kilos> ?
[10:16] <Golynx> sudo service network-manager restart
[10:16] <Kilos> will try that next time ty
[10:17] <Golynx> np
[10:23] <theblazehen> or service networking restart
[10:23] <theblazehen> or sudo rmmod usbnet && modprobe usbnet
[10:35] <Kilos> ill try them all ty
[10:35] <Kilos> next time i disconnect
[10:37] <Kilos> hi magespawn superfly
[10:37] <superfly> hi Kilos
[11:24] <theblazehen> How did the 3 wise men find baby jesus? A*
[12:15] <Kilos> ai! power cut 3 mins from th end of the sharks/rebels game
[12:17] <nuvolari> what!? daylight robery: http://www.exclus1ves.co.za/books/Design-Patterns-Elements--AuthorErich-Gamma~AuthorRichard-Helm~AuthorRalph-Johnson~AuthorJohn-M-Vlissides/000000000100000000001000000000000000000000000009780201633610/
[12:18] <nuvolari> vs http://www.amazon.com/Design-Patterns-Elements-Reusable-Object-Oriented/dp/0201633612
[12:18] <nuvolari> R1170 vs R500
[12:18] <Vince-0> yaw
[12:18] <Vince-0> but try get it couriered, I paid R275 customs on two tshirts that cost $40 from the US
[12:19] <Vince-0> market as "merchandise" - that's like 65% customs
[12:19] <Kilos> ouch
[12:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> time to get a kindle
[12:30] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: People say the Paperwhites are really good
[12:31] <theblazehen> nuvolari *
[12:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, i've heard
[12:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> wife has an old keyboard model lying around somewhere
[13:09] <superfly> Kindles are awesome
[16:06] <Kilos> hi captine
[16:35] <theblazehen> oh wow, never knew spinza was into crypto!
[16:42] <captine> hi there
[16:43] <theblazehen> hi captine
[16:44] <captine> hi theblazehen
[18:18] <Kilos> wow you a chatty bunch hey?
[18:18] <Kilos> spinza, wassup
[18:19] <theblazehen> hey spinza !
[18:19] <theblazehen> Never knew you were a crypto dude!
[18:19] <Kilos> he forgets he has itc
[18:19] <Kilos> irc
[18:25] <theblazehen> Kilos: lol
[18:25] <Kilos> its true
[18:25] <Kilos> he has said so himself
[18:25] <theblazehen> lol kk
[18:44] <Kilos> bushtech, are you online from a windows pc?
[18:44] <Kilos> i have some script that is supposed to keep you online
[18:46] <Kilos> maybe the clever peeps can understand it
[18:46] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2g6T8hoxe
[18:48] <theblazehen> Aka just keep pinging google.com
[18:48] <Kilos> that didnt work yesterday theblazehen
[18:48] <Kilos> but he is more stable today
[18:49] <Kilos> somehow you need to rev vodacom not google
[18:54] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[12:16] <Burgwork> crimsun, there is nothing wrong with feeling good while looking at cute animals
[12:16] <crimsun> feeling good, yes. I don't feel good about them.
[12:17] <crimsun> they're obviously being treated inappropriately. :p
[01:00] <jjesse> is the dvd considered to be the live cd?
[01:01] <Burgwork> jjesse, you talking about the book?
[01:01] <jjesse> Burgwork: yeah i am
[01:01] <Burgwork> jjesse, whiprush is on it, no worries
[01:02] <jjesse> ok, got an email from deb 11:20 am this morning
[01:03] <Burgwork> jjesse, spoke with her a few hours ago
[01:03] <jjesse> cool then i will ignore
[01:04] <LaserJock> jjesse: would 19:00 work?
[01:04] <jjesse> wold for me
[01:05] <Burgwork> for what, the doc team meeting>
[01:05] <Burgwork> ?>
[01:05] <Burgwork> ?
[01:05] <Burgwork> bugger
[01:05] <LaserJock> I wonder if 21st at 19:00 would be the best
[01:05] <jjesse> yeah, anything before 22:00 is good usually
[01:05] <LaserJock> oh
[01:05] <LaserJock> then maybe 20:00
[01:06] <LaserJock> since mdke__ said 20:00-22:00 seemed good for people
[01:48] <nixternal> hiya jjesse!!
[01:49] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[01:49] <nixternal> well, im now a kubuntu member ;)
[01:49] <jjesse> rock and roll :)
[01:49] <crimsun> congrats
[01:49] <nixternal> hehe thanks
[01:49] <crimsun> now we can assign all kde boogs to you.
[01:49] <nixternal> hehe...no mo boogs
[01:50] <crimsun> oh you'll LOVE boogs
[01:50] <nixternal> i see enough of um...keep um til boog day
[01:50] <crimsun> that's tomorrow
[01:50] <jsgotangco> good morning
[01:50] <jjesse> good morning jsgotangco
[01:50] <nixternal> mornin' jsgotangco
[01:51] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[01:51] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco
[01:54] <jsgotangco> hey
[01:54] <jjesse> nixternal: do you have too much work on your plate kubuntu wise?
[01:56] <jjesse> nixternal: hmm gotta run will chat later
[01:57] <jsgotangco> 2 hours for an rsync sheesshhh
[01:57] <jsgotangco> curse you rsync scum!
[01:58] <LaserJock> lol
[01:58] <LaserJock> at least you don't have to bzr it ;-)
[01:59] <crimsun> dude rsync womps the crap out of everything else
[01:59] <jsgotangco> true
[02:01] <LaserJock> crimsun: not if I've got a goood connection at the uni
[02:02] <crimsun> LaserJock: not sure how that affects rsync's superiority
[02:02] <nixternal_> [18:54]  <jjesse> nixternal: do you have too much work on your plate kubuntu wise?
[02:02] <nixternal_> [18:57]  <nixternal> can't say that i do jjesse, so if you need something, let me know..and if i can do it, i shall ;)
[02:02] <nixternal_> [18:57]  <nixternal> also jjesse, that bug from -devel, really isn't a bug, but more of a wishlist item..i can confirm it, but added a "needs info" status
[02:02] <nixternal_> i don't know what i did, but my network didn't like it
[02:02] <nixternal> jeesh
[02:03] <LaserJock> crimsun: cause I could get a whole .iso in the time it takes to rsync from Ubuntu's server
[02:03] <crimsun> LaserJock: I don't think that's a reflection of rsync but of connectivity.
[02:03] <LaserJock> sure
[02:04] <crimsun> and for those of us on dial-up, it's a lifesaver.
[02:04] <LaserJock> but rsync can be awesome, but if the connectivity stinks it's not so much fun
[02:04] <LaserJock> for sure, I use it all the time
[02:04] <LaserJock> I just wish more people had rsync servers
[07:03] <nixternal> crimsun: http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/horses/index.html
[07:09] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:10] <nixternal> hehe
[07:11] <jsgotangco> horses inside the house hrmmm
[07:11] <nixternal> i wouldn't doubt it..i told you about that kid walking a horse at the local 4th fest here like it was a pet dog
[07:12] <jsgotangco> ive never seen such minaturized breeds...is that natural?
[07:12] <nixternal> ya
[07:12] <nixternal> they are using them as "seeing eye horses" now as well
[07:12] <crimsun> 17:56 < crimsun> my god, that's pony abuse
[07:13] <nixternal> lol
[07:13] <nixternal> and there is more pony abuse for ya
[07:14] <nixternal> who is taking over the fridge?  that as to be added ;)
[07:14] <jsgotangco> probably one of the fridge editors
[07:17] <Madpilot> *someone* needs to take of the Fridge, it hasn't been updated in almost six weeks
[07:17] <Madpilot> take over, not take of...
[07:18] <nixternal> sounds like a job for Madpilot ;)
[07:18] <Madpilot> no, I ain't volunteering :)
[07:18] <jsgotangco> bug the fridge editors for sure
[07:19] <Madpilot> I might be interested in being part of an expaned Fridge-submitters team, otoh
[07:20] <Madpilot> expanded... gah, I really can't spell tonight...
[07:26] <Plug> what needs to be fridged?  UWNs?
[07:26] <Madpilot> those, and random other stuff
[07:26] <Madpilot> very random, in the case of the URL that nixternal gave above :)
[07:27] <Plug> I wouldnt mind helping out there.
[07:28] <nixternal> well..im going to finish posting some updates and then you can have at it
[07:29] <nixternal> heh, good story...while waiting for my Ubuntu Membership to get approved by Mako, I got Kubuntu Membership..woohoo!!!
[07:29] <nixternal> btw, this UWN, Feature of the Week is gonna be 'KDE' specific for once ;)
[07:30] <nixternal> does RSI break come installed by default with Ubuntu?
[07:32] <jsgotangco> nixternal: its basically the same honestly, because kubuntu members is under ubuntu-members
[07:32] <jsgotangco> so does edubuntu-members
[07:32] <crimsun> nixternal: no.
[07:33] <nixternal> didn't think so crimsun, someone pasted to the uwn requested page with very vague info..
[07:33] <crimsun> for reference, you can check with ``apt-cache rdepends rsibreak''
[07:36] <nixternal> here i go
[07:37] <Madpilot> damn, giant netsplit - look at #u!
[07:37] <nixternal> which is odd...because i though i was connected via brown. since it is close to the house
[08:09] <nixternal> ok, i updated the UWN #7 a little more..i will get more news and such posted over the next couple of days
[08:10] <Burgundavia> nixternal: excellent
[08:10] <jsgotangco> cool
[08:10] <jsgotangco> since mgalvin has been MIA, i'll look into it tonight as well so we can send earlier
[08:10] <jsgotangco> probably saturday/sunday
[08:10] <nixternal> i was still thinkin' of saturday..since that is the scheduled date ;)
[08:10] <jsgotangco> no worries
[08:10] <nixternal> the UWN is a Saturday to Saturday type deal..so we are good
[08:11] <nixternal> there is a spot for new edgy files for each distro...researchin' that info will be fun
[08:11] <jsgotangco> did you fill in for the kubuntu stuff?
[08:12] <Madpilot> nixternal, ping #ubuntu-devel or the dev ML
[08:12] <nixternal> i will work on the distro related stuff more this week
[08:12] <jsgotangco> cool
[08:12] <nixternal> i just hit the 'news" and the "tips of the week" right now..trying to clear out the 'community cache'
[08:13] <jsgotangco> it seems we're covered then and its only tuesday
[08:13] <nixternal> better to be ahead of schedule ;)
[08:13] <nixternal> arg..i gotta be at the uni in 6 hours
[08:13] <nixternal> thank god it is just paperwork related
[08:13] <jsgotangco> uni you still go to school?
[08:23] <nixternal> im gettin' ready to go back
[08:23] <nixternal> refresh the C++ and learn C# and .Net (mono really)
[10:13] <jsgotangco> enrico: those "basics" blog posts are awesome nice refreshers as well
[01:56] <jrib> nixternal: hey, you around?
[02:14] <nixternal> kind of
[03:00] <jjesse> morning :)
[03:08] <jjesse> nixternal: send me a ping when you are available
[03:18] <hayden> is there a downloadable version of Ubuntu Server Guide by Ubuntu Documentation Team (to buy)?
[03:22] <mdke> you can download it for free
[03:22] <mdke> hayden: see http://help.ubuntu.com and choose the PDF
[03:22] <hayden> mdke, ok thanks alot
[03:22] <mdke> if you want to buy a printed copy, see http://lulu.com/ubuntu-doc
[03:23] <hayden> ok thakns
[04:36] <nixternal> jjesse: ping!!!
[04:39] <jjesse> pong
[04:39] <jjesse> did you get my email?
[04:39] <nixternal> yes sir, i replied as well
[04:40] <jjesse> ok checking
[04:41] <jjesse> hmm didn't get it :(
[04:41] <nixternal> you should be gettin' it soon
[04:43] <jjesse> anywyas what did it say?
[04:44] <nixternal> can't remember
[04:44] <nixternal> j/k
[04:44] <nixternal> im open, i can do the knots, and i got Kubuntu Membership
[04:45] <nixternal> pretty much in that order as well
[04:46] <jjesse> awesome
[04:46] <jjesse> nixternal: did you see this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060718/
[04:46] <nixternal> woohoo
[04:47] <nixternal> good job Riddell!!!
[04:47] <nixternal> is that the release page that you referred to in your email?  but the offical one of course?
[04:48] <jjesse> kinda http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5 is what mgalvin created
[04:50] <nixternal> ahh..ok..misread the email
[04:57] <jsgotangco> is that kubuntu knot-1
[04:57] <nixternal> yes sir
[04:57] <jsgotangco> we still don't have edubuntu knot-1
[04:57] <jjesse> i don't know if it is the official flight 1
[04:57] <nixternal> tisk tisk
[04:57] <nixternal> it is a nightly
[04:57] <jjesse> or knot
[04:57] <jsgotangco> there's an issue with xorg
[04:58] <jsgotangco> in the post install
[04:58] <jsgotangco> on 18
[04:58] <jsgotangco> i dunno if there's 18.1 or something
[04:59] <jsgotangco> when you have an iso, you can just rsync from from the daily builds so you don't have to redownload again
[04:59] <jsgotangco> even from a dapper iso
[04:59] <jjesse> yup
[04:59] <jsgotangco> we have a nifty script =)
[04:59] <jjesse> rsync and then relaunch vm session
[05:00] <jsgotangco> do yo vm directly from the iso?
[05:00] <jjesse> i do
[05:00] <jsgotangco> hmm i should try that, can vmware player do that?
[05:00] <nixternal> mount -loop?
[05:00] <jsgotangco> or regular vmware
[05:00] <jjesse> vmplayer can, just change the config file to look for a .iso as the cdrom
[05:00] <jjesse> i think there is a page o nthe wiki
[05:00] <nixternal> nice
[05:00] <jsgotangco> cool
[05:04] <jjesse> mgalvin had a posting on his blog about it
[05:05] <nixternal> i always did a mount -loop on the .iso image
[05:06] <nixternal> mount -o loop -t iso9660 edgy-alternate-i386.iso /mnt/iso
[05:33] <nixternal> jjesse: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5     that is more of a "Release Information" page, with 3 links at the very bottom to the testing pages on the wiki and what not
[05:33] <nixternal> that is why i am kind of confused as to why it is called /testing
[05:41] <kgoetz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSetupSoundCards has a section "ALSA ISA cards", which has a subcatagory "OSS drivers". should these be two seperate sections ? (i just made isa+pci seperate)
[05:44] <nixternal> i can think of a sound guru in here that would have the best answer for it...and btw, he loves ponies!!!
[05:45] <kgoetz> lol
[06:05] <nixternal> heh, to use an iso in VMware Server, after you create the actual VM portion, prior to powering up the first time...edit the settings for the cd-rom, and select iso..that easy
[06:05] <nixternal> installin' edgy now
[06:40] <jjesse> nixternal: the reason that it is in testing is because they are announcments for testing the different flights
[06:40] <nixternal> ahhh..ok
[06:40] <jjesse> nixternal: they were created on the wiki and then moved over, but i don't think the ones for kubuntu flights were
[06:40] <nixternal> hiya mdke
[06:44] <jsgotangco> hey you
[06:49] <nixternal> whats up jrib
[06:51] <jrib> nixternal: I helped a few more people today adding multiverse because it wasn't commented for them today.  Do you think the kubuntu sources would be different than the ubuntu ones?
[06:52] <nixternal> only for desktop specific items..but the sources are exactly the same i thought
[06:52] <jsgotangco> its the same
[06:53] <nixternal> heh..news about???
[06:53] <nixternal> as long as it isn't UWN
[06:53] <jrib> nixternal: do you mind pastebinning your default one?
[06:53] <nixternal> i don't have a default one...mine has more repositories then you can shake a stick at
[06:54] <jrib> hmm I must have misunderstood you yesterday then
[06:58] <jrib> alright, I'll boot up a live cd and check it out
[07:04] <dsas> I presume https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Strace and other debugging procedures do belong on w.u.c?
[07:06] <dsas> Should https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingProgramCrash be on the same wiki as Strace and Backtrace?


[08:08] <xu-help57w> hey all, got random freezes on xubuntu 20.04 on my hp laptop (mouse movement works, also ssh into the machine works, however i can't click or use keyboard locally). anyone can help?
[19:49] <b1ack0p> hi
[19:49] <b1ack0p> what version of xfce is used in xubuntu 20.04 ?
[19:51] <diogenes_> !release notes
[19:52] <b1ack0p> ook
[19:52] <b1ack0p> btw should i install xfce-terminal separetely ?
[19:53] <b1ack0p> is it included in xfce4 or xfce4-goodies?
[19:55] <diogenes_> it's included of course since it's one of the main components.
[19:56] <b1ack0p> ook thanks
[22:42] <crimson_king> Yesterday I asked about enabling hibernation on Xubuntu. After some investigation, I figured out all the steps to bring back the "Hibernate" GUI option in Xfce and setup the actual hibernation through systemd-logind on an encrypted system using a swap file. Details here: https://rephlex.de/blog/2019/12/27/how-to-hibernate-and-resume-from-swap-file-in-ubuntu-20-04-using-full-disk-encryption/#comment-211192
[22:52] <CookieMonster> hi