[00:18] <wgrant> lfaraone: You probably want to flip the policies on https://launchpad.net/zulip/+sharing to public and then make that import public.
[00:18] <wgrant> The project as a whole is public now, but bugs/branches/blueprints are all still private.
[06:45] <lool> wgrant: ack; thanks; cjwatson helped me with this yesterday
[11:14] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: So a "partition" of 1000M from /dev/urandom causes the hang, but 500M doesn't.  So we're almost certainly hitting some sort of resource problem.
[11:17] <Odd_Bloke> I could try creating the partition and copying the chroot in myself, rather than trying to dd the full partition in.
[11:17] <Odd_Bloke> We do grub stuff after the dd anyway, so I don't think that would produce something too different...
[11:19] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: I was going to suggest setting dd bs= to something more reasonable, but the default of 512 bytes might be slow but shouldn't hang
[11:20] <cjwatson> None of this is in tmpfs or anything, is it?
[11:21] <cjwatson> And it's doing the dd in 26 seconds in the latest build, so not even that slow
[11:22] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: I have no ideas as to what resource problem could be being triggered, unless we're actually running out of disk (which seems unlikely); your thought seems as good as any.
[11:22] <Odd_Bloke> I was thinking it might be OOM in the mapping code, but that's a total stab in the dark.
[11:23] <Odd_Bloke> I don't _think_ we're running out of disk, because I was able to create two 3GB (when I was seeing if the disk image was too small).
[11:24] <Odd_Bloke> And when I failed at maths and made it 1.05 GB (>.<), the dd explicitly complained about the disk image being too small.
[11:25] <cjwatson> Which mapping code?
[11:27] <Odd_Bloke> As in, whatever is taking writes to /dev/mapper/... and making them end up in a file.
[11:28] <Odd_Bloke> But, actually, that thought was triggered when I was using qemu-nbd for the QCOW2 file, so I'm not sure I'm even holding a weapon for the stab in the dark. :p
[11:44] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: That's just device-mapper, it's straight through the kernel
[11:45] <cjwatson> Well, and a loop mount.  But even so, not much to allocate memory there.
[15:28] <dsmythies> I got an odd e-mail about licensing, with only a bounce type return address. It is signed "The Launchpad Team". I have been searching and searching and have not found how to contact "The Launchpad Team". I would like to reply to the e-mail, but do not know how to address it. Does anybody here have a suggestion?
[15:32] <dobey> for what project?
[15:33] <dsmythies> help.ubuntu.com (  https://launchpad.net/help.ubuntu.com  )
[15:34] <dobey> looks like someone selected "I don't know yet" for the license
[15:34] <dobey> which would have resulted in the mail
[15:35] <dsmythies> Sigh, I'll contact gunnar. Are you saying the e-mail was automatic?
[15:36] <dobey> i think so. i'm not 100% certain though, but if it had a noreply address for the reply, then i'd suspect it was automatic, yes
[15:38] <dobey> and as a result of the "i don't know yet" selection
[15:40] <dsmythies> yes, I see now. I'll report back later. Thanks.
[16:30] <dsmythies> Follow up: Yes, the e-mail was automatic and due to gunnar's temporary licencse entry. Now fixed. Thanks again.
[16:58] <teward> any LP admins on?
[16:58] <teward> or people who can influentially say "No, group abc won't ever get the permissions to mess with other projects' settings"
[16:58] <teward> s/influentially/supremely/
[17:04] <dobey> it's up to the project owner/maintainer as to whom gets permissions to mess with that projects settings
[17:05] <teward> dobey: this is a more global concern
[17:05] <teward> and it's on the bugcontrol list
[17:05] <dobey> so only if a project owner/maintainer gives a group permissions to do something with a project, will that group have permissions for that project
[17:06] <teward> dobey: mind reading through https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugcontrol/msg04363.html and voicing opinions, perhaps?
[17:06] <teward> hate to involve LP Admins in general but... :/
[17:06] <teward> the problem being the proposal from someone else on bugcontrol would make a cross-project 'global' permissions impact
[17:06] <dobey> no, that request just doesn't make sense
[17:06] <teward> my opinion is -1 for the same reason you said
[17:06] <dobey> ubuntu-bugcontrol is about bugs in ubuntu, not projects
[17:06] <teward> dobey: indeed.
[17:07] <teward> dobey: as i said in https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugcontrol/msg04366.html
[17:07] <teward> dobey: i think it needs highest-level smackdown sstatements whether from tech teams or LP administration or otherwise
[17:10] <teward> (or whomever is bug god in charge of bugcontrol)
[17:10] <dobey> eh, i'm not subscribed to the list, and i don't think it's that important. ignoring it will just result in it going away :)
[17:10]  * teward shrugs
[17:11] <dobey> it doesn't matter, because bugcontrol team doesn't have permissions to grant itself more permissions
[17:11] <teward> mhm
[17:11] <teward> in any case, it should be squished, IMO
[17:19] <dobey> well if you want a definitive answer quote, then it's "ubuntu-bugcontrol is for managing bugs in ubuntu, not in upstream projects"
[17:20] <dobey> ie, "no, this request makes no sense"
[17:33] <teward> urgh i hate my internet
[17:33] <teward> dobey: that's what my take had been, thanks.
[17:41] <sergio-br22> hi
[17:43] <dobey> hi
[17:47] <sergio-br22> I need to re-build some packages to willy
[17:47] <sergio-br22> (ppa)
[17:48] <sergio-br22> so I tried to copy vivid packages to willy, rebuilding them
[17:48] <sergio-br22> but it did not work...
[17:48] <sergio-br22> are there any other way?
[17:48] <dobey> it depends on what failed
[17:50] <sergio-br22> https://code.launchpad.net/~random-stuff/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=wily
[17:50] <sergio-br22> it seems launchpad does not change the "~ubuntu15.04.1" to "15.10.1"
[17:51] <teward> sergio-br22: that's a manual step that you have to do yourself - LP doesn't change version strings when yuo copy to another release
[17:51] <teward> (i think)
[17:51] <sergio-br22> if it does not do that, it does not make sense to have an option to copy to another version...
[18:04] <dobey> indeed
[18:05] <dobey> you already had published binaries in the destination archive
[18:06] <sergio-br22> yup, I thought it'll substitute the 15.04.1 to 15.10.1 automatically
[18:06] <sergio-br22> because launchpad put that automatically in the recipes
[18:07] <dobey> if you are using a recipe then yes, the recipe will add it automatically
[18:08] <dobey> that is on the recipe side, not the ppa side
[18:08] <dobey> and if you're using recipes, the right way to add a new series, is to update the recipe to build for the new series
[18:11] <sergio-br22> humm
[18:11] <sergio-br22> my problem is not the recipes exactly
[18:11] <dobey> recipes can build for multiple series
[18:11] <sergio-br22> I know that
[18:11] <sergio-br22> problem is, I want to build with "old" sources
[18:12] <sergio-br22> https://code.launchpad.net/~random-stuff/+recipe/mupen64plus-core
[18:12] <sergio-br22> take a look
[18:12] <sergio-br22> it's already building for willy, but it's for the nightly/testing ppa
[18:13] <sergio-br22> it uses the source from the github import
[18:13] <sergio-br22> but I want to use the source from May
[18:14] <sergio-br22> to publish in the stable ppa
[18:27] <dobey> then you need a different recipe building from a different branch
[18:28] <dobey> or you need to do manual uploads
[18:29] <sergio-br22> too much effort ...
[18:30] <dobey> well, if you want to build different source, then you need to build from a different source. if you don't like the effort, don't do it :)
[18:30] <sergio-br22> :/
[18:52] <sergio-br22> Error parsing time at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.20/Time/Piece.pm line 469, <$filehandle> line 11.
[18:52] <sergio-br22> what's this
[18:53] <sergio-br22> can't build a package for 15.10, I'm not sure what's happening
[18:53] <sergio-br22> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/219329429/buildlog.txt.gz
[19:03] <dobey> looks like maybe an issue with the builder that got picked, not having the locale set properly
[19:03] <sergio-br22> wrong week day on the changelog, i guess
[19:04] <dobey> unless you have an invalid time in the changelog, i guess that wouldn't be the issue, since the recipe builder generates a changelog entry
[19:05] <dobey> well, maybe having the locale unset caused it to generate an invalid changelog entry wheich dpkg then couldn't parse
[19:06] <sergio-br22> ergghhh
[19:06] <sergio-br22> it was not that...
[19:07] <sergio-br22> https://code.launchpad.net/~dolphin-emu/+recipe/dolphin-emu-stable-5.0
[19:07] <sergio-br22> same issue again
[19:08] <sergio-br22> about the locale unset, it was not an issue on vivid
[19:11] <sergio-br22> have no idea how to fix it
[19:12] <sergio-br22> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dvbcut/+bug/1490332
[19:12] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1490332 in dvbcut (Ubuntu) "Error parsing time at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.20/Time/Piece.pm line 469, <$filehandle> line 6." [Undecided,New]
[19:13] <sergio-br22> launchpad issue?
[19:16] <sergio-br22> i think i found the issue
[19:16] <sergio-br22> it's Oct instead Out, derp
[19:27] <sergio-br22> ok, it building now
[19:27] <sergio-br22> what a silly bug
[22:16] <DragonPunch> hello :0
[22:27] <dobey> hi
[23:09] <DragonPunch> is this pace for startups
[23:09] <DragonPunch> place
[23:38] <blr> DragonPunch: no launchpad provides code hosting, project management tools, PPAs and build infrastructure for ubuntu.
[23:38] <blr> https://launchpad.net/


 I think the ubiquity failing test against kwin will need the same approach as mathgl
 triggered a test 🤞
 urgh. now breaking on some gnome/gtk(ish) dependencies rather than the Qt ones
 I'll try to have another look in the next few days if no one else does, but for now will leave it
 I fixed pyside2, but I'll need to make one more upload to fix mips64el build in Debian


[12:13] <doko> mdz: once liblog4j1.2-java is in the archives, you could try to run germinate again
[12:13] <mdz> doko: ok
[12:24] <dholbach> good night
[12:24] <mkde> night dholbach
[12:24] <ogra> night dholbach
[12:24] <dholbach> *wave*
[12:39] <calc> jdub: i see you are presenting at oscon :)
[12:48] <jdub> calc: yeah
[12:49] <calc> i noticed microsoft is on the sponsor list, funny stuff :)
[12:49] <jdub> ooh, i should say something controversial
[12:49] <jdub> SPONSOR THIS!
[12:49] <jdub> (moons audience)
[12:52] <maswan> heh. microsoft sponsored the grid conference I went to this spring. grid in this case means linux clusters talking with eachother. the first words from the microsoft guy that talked: "I come in peace"
[12:53] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/~maswan/bilder/20050419-EGEE.gr/index.html?view=IMG_3734.JPG
[12:53] <maswan> also, take a look at the face of the microsoft booth person. rather bored after 3 days and noone talking to her, perhaps?
[12:54] <trulux> once you toggle the menu off in gnome-terminal, how you get it back?
[12:55] <jdub> trulux: there's a checkbox in the context menu
[12:55] <Nafallo> maswan: hehe
[12:56] <trulux> jdub: I can only see the tabs but no menu, and dunno how to get it back ;)
[12:56] <jdub> trulux: right click for the context menu
[12:56] <trulux> oh, yup
[12:57] <trulux> jdub: many thanks
[12:57] <maswan> But hey, we didn't have to pay for the lunch buffets, so we shouldn't complain. :)
[12:57] <Amaranth> hahaha
[12:57] <Amaranth> maswan: nice
[12:57] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:58] <Amaranth> damn jhbuild takes a long time
[12:58] <Amaranth> stupid 1.2Ghz Duron machine
[12:59] <Amaranth> building with gcc 3.4 even, so it's super painful
[01:02] <tseng> Mez: ..
[01:03] <Mez> hey tseng
[01:03] <tseng> hi.
[01:03] <Mez> :D
[01:05] <jdub> daniels: ping
[01:06] <tseng> jdub: ping
[01:06] <tseng> he went to bed only a few hours ago
[01:07] <jdub> oh
[01:08] <tseng> gar im going to write a canned statement about the mono backport soon
[01:08] <tseng> this is getting old.
[01:08] <schweeb> you're getting old
[01:08] <schweeb> :p
[01:08] <tseng> not as old as you!
[01:08] <schweeb> I'm 21!
[01:08] <tseng> mr. senior tape backup
[01:08] <tseng> I'm 20!
[01:09] <tseng> schweeb: a/s/l?
[01:09] <schweeb> you're a bish
[01:09] <schweeb> I'm definitely goin bar hopping tonight
[01:09] <schweeb> yay
[01:09] <Mez> tseng - you sound like an AOLer
[01:10] <tseng> Mez: except I do it as a joke
[01:10] <Mez> tseng, I know... as was my comment
[01:14] <Mez> god I'm bred
[03:00] <stuNNed> mdz: welp, w/no firewall enabled connected to uni's wifi network nothing happens and all is well, thanks, so it is universe firewall related (#10090)
[03:12] <Mez> anyone here on breezy with KDE willing to test a package for me/
[03:25] <mdz> fabbione: my machine still requires irqpoll with the latest 2.6.12
[03:26] <Mez> mdz, you're running breezy I assume ? (somewhere)
[03:28] <Amaranth> are there any known issues with the hoary live cd on vmware/vpc?
[03:29] <jnc> massive update action going on lately
[03:29] <jnc> wowzer
[03:36] <|QuaD-> hah
[03:37] <|QuaD-> it still didn't fix x :(
[03:42] <jnc> what's wrong w/ x?
[03:42] <|QuaD-> jnc: have you upgraded and rebooted?
[03:42] <jnc> nope
[03:42] <|QuaD-> it messes with the font
[03:42] <jnc> gah
[03:42] <|QuaD-> something with fonts
[03:42] <jnc> good thing it's a weekend
[03:42] <|QuaD-> why?
[03:42] <jnc> i'm getting an error about MD5 sums
[03:42] <|QuaD-> lol
[03:42] <|QuaD-> oh
[03:43] <jnc> call me crazy, it's amd64 box and i needed openoffice to print
[03:43] <jnc> so i threw breezy on it
[03:45] <jnc> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xscreensaver/xscreensaver_4.21-4ubuntu4_amd64.deb
[03:45] <jnc>   MD5Sum mismatch
[03:45] <jnc> pardon the paste
[03:46] <jnc> what have i missed?
[03:46] <Amaranth> /topic #ubuntu
[03:47] <Mez> Amaranth, you there?
[03:47] <jnc> oh, what's that got to do with MD5 sums
[03:48] <Amaranth> the mirror is messed up
[03:48] <Amaranth> use a different mirror
[03:48] <Amaranth> uk works
[03:48] <jnc> okay
[03:51] <jnc> eh i guess i'll wait until it works again, uk doesn't seem to like me
[03:53] <jnc> |QuaD-: fonts look okay
[03:54] <|QuaD-> jnc: X won't start i don't think
[03:55] <chol> daniels, are you awake? i'm looking for some newer debs of xorg to see if they can cope with an hpux xfs
[03:57] <Nafallo> mono == love
[03:59] <Nafallo> or rather
[03:59] <Nafallo> mono == porn ;-)
[03:59] <|QuaD-> therefore, mono == love == porn
[03:59] <|QuaD-> which means love == porn
[03:59] <|QuaD-> which means, why get married when you can watch porn?
[03:59] <Nafallo> :-D
[04:04] <jnc> |QuaD-: works here
[04:04] <|QuaD-> jnc: you restarted?
[04:05] <jnc> yes
[04:07] <Nafallo> holy smokes! I'm out of memory+swap
[04:07] <Nafallo> 2GB :-P
[04:07] <|QuaD-> jnc: here it doesn't work
[04:07] <|QuaD-> jnc: it was a known problem
[04:07] <jnc> |QuaD-: nuts to your known problem
[04:08] <|QuaD-> jnc: maybe it is the repo i am using?
[04:08] <|QuaD-> archive.ubuntu.com
[04:09] <jnc> could be
[04:10] <jnc> Nafallo: yeah i've been getting that on my amd64 box here
[04:10] <jnc> no idea why
[04:10] <jnc> eventually i have to close evolution to start anything else
[04:10] <jnc> it's hauntingly similar to win95 back in the day when you rebooted it 'cause of memory leaks
[04:11] <Nafallo> jnc: using mono?
[04:11] <Nafallo> jnc: i.e. beagle + f-spot
[04:13] <tseng> im not sure beagle is a mem leak
[04:13] <tseng> people seem to underestimate the daunting task that indexing gig after gig of files is
[04:15] <|QuaD-> tseng: it used up my mem
[04:15] <|QuaD-> i was able to index before this
[04:18] <tseng> i can always index
[04:18] <tseng> i guess it likes me.
[04:18] <|QuaD-> tseng: haha
[04:18] <|QuaD-> no memory leaks for you :)
[04:18] <|QuaD-> are you using the packages you created for breezy?
[04:18] <tseng> yes
[04:19] <|QuaD-> oh
[04:19] <tseng> are you?
[04:19] <|QuaD-> yes
[04:19] <tseng> k
[04:22] <Nafallo> my laptop frooze ;-)
[04:29] <jnc> Nafallo: nah, just normal office stuff.  evo, OOo, ff, gt
[04:30] <Nafallo> jnc: ahh. that problem I don't have :-).
[04:36] <tseng> Nafallo: EZ GTK BOOG
[04:37] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:02] <daniels> jdub: pong
[05:03] <daniels> doko: i'm waiting for colony 2 to be released before I drop all the new stuff in
[05:03] <Mez> hmm
[05:03] <daniels> chol: nothing's changed in that regard, sorry
[05:03] <Mez> I've just changed a line in a config file for konversation to change the autojoin channel #kde to autojoin #kubuntu
[05:03] <Mez> and it#'s not working
[05:03] <Mez> that shouldnt break it should it
[05:03] <Mez> It's the only thing I chnaged
[05:04] <Mez> and worked fine before I changed that one teeny thing
[05:04] <Mez> any dieas anyone
[05:10] <bob2> reverting "fixes" it?
[05:11] <bob2> put your diff up somewhere
[05:11] <Mez> http://www.thewock.com/ubuntu/breezy/konversation_0.18-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[05:12] <Mez> bob2, cna i pm?
[05:13] <bob2> no ideas, sorry
[05:13] <tseng> bob2: this train is for cockfosters.
[05:14] <bob2> so, there's a road here..woodcock drive.
[05:14] <tseng> oh man
[05:14] <bob2> I'd like it moved closer to the airport for new arrivals to appreciate.
[05:22] <Mez> hmm
[05:22] <Mez> how to make a .dev when pruged rmove configs from users home dir?
[05:22] <Mez> that arent included when installed first time
[05:24] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: can we have an op in #kubuntu?
[05:27] <Amaranth> i'm not an op there
[05:28] <daniels> thoreauputic: what's the problem?
[05:28] <thoreauputic> daniels: a troll, racist, blah blah
[05:28] <thoreauputic> spamming the chan
[05:29] <thoreauputic> thanks, daniels
[05:29] <Mez> thanks whoever you are (I assume fooishbar!)
[05:29] <Mez> or thats a pseudo account
[05:30] <daniels> Mez: fooishbar is linked to my nick, yeah
[05:30] <Mez> fair enough
[05:30] <Mez> anyways
[05:30] <Mez> I think I'm going to bed now i sorte dout the konv problem (it was a crappy rc file
[06:17] <wasabi_> is laptop sleeping expected to be working currently? (is it just me who can't wake up?)
[06:20] <bob2> depends on the laptop
[06:20] <bob2> works on most hp and ibm's
[06:21] <wasabi_> ibook. ;0
[06:23] <bob2> should work fine
[06:23] <bob2> g3s have worked for years
[06:23] <bob2> g4 since end of last year
[06:25] <wasabi_> thanks. long as I know that i'll keep trying.
[06:30] <stevedog> i can't install Hoary (or Warty) on my G5 iMac, its saying "cannot find common CD-Rom"
[06:50] <blahrus> when I go to install beagle, it wants to remove firefox . . . any ideas?
[06:51] <blahrus> this is in breezy
[06:51] <bob2> ...
[06:51] <bob2> it's breezy, it's not supposed to work!
[06:52] <blahrus> yes yes, please don't give me that lecture, i know this, I can here to see if anyone else was aware of this
[06:52] <blahrus> came* here
[06:55] <bob2> nothing in the bts?
[06:56] <stevedog> i can't install Hoary (or Warty) on my G5 iMac, its saying "cannot find common CD-Rom"
[06:57] <blahrus> bob2: nothing I saw
[06:58] <jdub> daniels: around?
[06:59] <daniels> jdub: REPRESENT
[06:59] <jdub> aye aye
[07:00] <jdub> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/random/xorg-ate-my-keyboard.txt
[07:00] <jdub> fully up to date
[07:01] <daniels> jdub: just call me captain birdseye
[07:01] <daniels> jdub: so, if you SSH in and run xev, and give it focus with the mouse
[07:01] <daniels> jdub: do you get nothing whatsoever for normal keys, but control and shift are mapped properly?
[07:02] <bob2> daniels: is the "monitos on nvidia cards don't get setup correctly" fix the same as for i810?
[07:02] <blahrus> jdub: those were the errors I got :)
[07:03] <jdub> blahrus: you can't type?
[07:03] <daniels> bob2: what was the fix for the former?
[07:04] <bob2> daniels: run ddcprobe, find the v/h syncs, put them in x.org.conf manually
[07:04] <jdub> daniels: ouch, xev gives me nothing
[07:04] <daniels> jdub: is it focussed wit hthe mouse?
[07:04] <daniels> bob2: XORG_SYNC_RANGES=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:04] <jdub> daniels: i get more output by running X alone, btw
[07:04] <blahrus> no I can type, I just updated to the new xorg
[07:05] <blahrus> I just did an update like 2secs ago
[07:05] <jdub> daniels: yes, it's getting mouse events
[07:05] <jdub> expected keysym, got XF86_Switch_VT_1: line 8 of xfree86
[07:05] <jdub> expected keysym, got XF86_Switch_VT_2: line 11 of xfree86
[07:05] <jdub> expected keysym, got XF86_Switch_VT_3: line 14 of xfree86
[07:05] <jdub> ...
[07:05] <daniels> jdub: ok, do you get any output from control and shift?  or no key on the keyboard at all
[07:05] <jdub> The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
[07:05] <jdub> > Warning:          Multiple interpretations of "NoSymbol+AnyOfOrNone(all)"
[07:05] <jdub> >                   Using last definition for duplicate fields
[07:05] <jdub>
[07:05] <daniels> jdub: woah, what the shit
[07:05] <jdub> ^ stuff like this in X output
[07:05] <jdub> ooh, i get ctrl and shift
[07:06] <jdub> and alt
[07:06] <daniels> jdub: sweet
[07:06] <daniels> jdub: your task is to figure out which of /usr/lib/X11/xkb, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb, and /usr/share/X11/xkb needs to be added as a symlink to /etc/X11/xkb
[07:06] <jdub> ha ha
[07:06] <jdub> jdub@ubuntu:~$ find /usr/lib/X11/xkb
[07:06] <jdub> /usr/lib/X11/xkb
[07:07] <jdub> BIM-BOW!
[07:07] <daniels> is it a symlink?
[07:07] <jdub> yes
[07:07] <jdub> to /etc/X11/xkb
[07:07] <daniels> jdub: what about /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb?
[07:07] <jdub> as is /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb
[07:08] <jdub> /usr/share/X11/xkb DOES NOT EXIST!
[07:08] <jdub> WE HAVE A WINNER!
[07:08] <daniels> try making that as a symlink and restarting X
[07:08] <daniels> if it doesn't work, I'm going to be very disappointed, because that's what fixed it for me
[07:08] <daniels> although I'm using a new, crazy, libX11 on my desktop
[07:08] <jdub> ...
[07:09] <daniels> not working?
[07:09] <jdub> hold on, doing it with just X
[07:09] <jdub> still get all those errors
[07:09] <daniels> argh
[07:09] <jdub> same thing
[07:10] <jdub> i'll reconfigure and try again
[07:11] <daniels> jdub: ok, for some reason the symbols aren't being found
[07:11] <daniels> you definitely have /etc/X11/xkb/symbols with lots of files in it?
[07:11] <daniels> including ... srvr_ctrl
[07:11] <jdub> lots of files
[07:12] <jdub> $ find /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/ | grep ctrl
[07:12] <jdub> /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/ctrl
[07:12] <jdub> /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/srvr_ctrl
[07:13] <daniels> argh
[07:13] <jdub> btw, why are we bothering to go modular for this release?
[07:14] <daniels> because it will make updating everything no longer hard
[07:14] <daniels> the monolithic tree is a serious pain in my arse
[07:14] <daniels> in terms of maintaining it both throughout the development cycle and when released
[07:14] <jdub> mmm
[07:15] <daniels> this isn't a modular-tree fuckup, btw
[07:15] <daniels> i haven't got to touching xkb yet
[07:15] <jdub> heh
[07:15] <daniels> this will be a /usr/X11R6 -> /usr problem
[07:19] <blahrus> jdub: sorry to interupt, but are you Jeff Waugh?
[07:19] <jdub> blahrus: yes
[07:20] <jdub> i don't think you're interrupting though
[07:20] <jdub> daniel is eating caviar or something
[07:20] <blahrus> cool, i just bored reading through planet.gnome.com
[07:20] <blahrus> saw Jeff Waugh . . .
[07:20] <blahrus> and jdub under it . . .
[07:20] <jdub> you were *bored* while reading planet gnome?
[07:20] <jdub> you came to tell me this?! ;-)
[07:21] <blahrus> hahahah
[07:21] <blahrus> I mean I was done planing online poker for the night, and not ready to watch a movie
[07:21] <blahrus> that sound better :)
[07:21] <jdub> heh
[07:21] <bob2> jdub: you're a celebrity!
[07:22] <jdub> i'm a floating head.
[07:22] <blahrus> in the geeky world yea :) (still reading blogs trying to find what he does)
[07:22] <blahrus> :)
[07:23] <blahrus> well if that the case all the planet.gnome guys are
[07:23] <daniels> jdub: oh man
[07:23] <daniels> jdub: i want caviar now.  damnit.
[07:23] <daniels> jdub: (not yet eaten today.)
[07:26] <jdub> stop thinking of fish babies and help fix my X ;)
[07:29] <blahrus> well its night time here, good luck with x
[07:32] <daniels> jdub: yeah, I'm trying to work through it
[08:19] <daniels> jdub: i've got no idea, sorry, and need to head off now
[08:19] <jdub> ok
[12:56] <Mez> hmm anyone here want to sponsor my gaim breezy 1.3.1 package?
[01:19] <Riddell> Mez: gaim??  I thought you were doing konversation!
[01:19] <Mez> I did gaim aswell
[01:19] <Mez> I was bored
[01:20] <Mez> anything i backport that isnt in breezy I compile for breezy too
[01:21] <Mez> :P
[01:24] <Mithrandir> well, gaim just needs a merge.
[01:24] <Mez> yeah thats what I've done :d
[01:25] <Mez> so if anyone wants to sponsor it
[01:25] <Mez> lemme know
[01:47] <zyga> hello
[01:47] <zyga> what are the chances of commiting a translation for a totally untranslated package (for a given language) into hoary?
[02:03] <pitti> Hi
[02:05] <Nafallo> hi pitti :-)
[02:52] <AndyFitz> damn  I've got apps compiling but not executing again
[02:52] <Mez> lo
[02:52] <AndyFitz> hows C++ stuff in breezy ?
[02:52] <Mez> l
[02:53] <AndyFitz> nevermind
[02:54] <AndyFitz> :)  time to have some fun ;)
[03:05] <Keybuk> ooh-err
[03:06] <Mez> evening keybuk
[03:06] <Keybuk> afternoon
[03:07] <Mez> btw, out of curioity, whereabout sin birmingham do you live
[03:10] <Mez> that's if you dont mind me asking (and i'll understand if you do)
[03:13] <_konrad> what are you plannig for next release? I read how-to, but it is too long to be true? I know ablout d-nut, new kernel, something BIG more?
[03:14] <Nafallo> _konrad: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[03:15] <_konrad> Nafallo: but it is too good to be true :)
[03:15] <Keybuk> Mez: Bordesley Green
[03:15] <Keybuk> not exactly the most fashionable area ;)
[03:15] <Nafallo> _konrad: stuff might still get deferred.
[03:16] <Mez> lol - Keybuk - sounds better than me
[03:16] <Keybuk> where abouts are you?
[03:16] <Mez> I'm living next to the spaghetti junction (literally)
[03:17] <Mez> (aka erdongton)
[03:18] <Mez> btwm, has the C+_+ transition been completed yet
[03:18] <\sh> no
[03:19] <Keybuk> ah right, I know Erdington
[03:31] <AndyFitz> evening keybuk
[03:32] <Keybuk> AndyFitz: eh-oh
[03:33] <AndyFitz> how goes the UK morning ?
[03:37] <jsgotangco> AndyFitz, hey
[03:37] <AndyFitz> jsgotangco, hi mate
[03:37] <jsgotangco> AndyFitz, how goes the weekend
[03:38] <AndyFitz> long weekends are always good. ;)   I'm back from a friends 21st quite early actually.  so its a lazy one .   how's yours going?
[03:39] <jsgotangco> not bad, i had a few pints with some friends i just logged in to reply to emails and svn
[03:39] <jsgotangco> btw, are you still doing that icon set
[03:44] <Nafallo> gaah
[03:44] <Nafallo> my colume up/down buttons are screwed since yesterday.
[03:44] <Nafallo> they seem to change style of the desktop instead :-/
[03:46] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:46] <jsgotangco> oh well good night all and enjoy the weekend
[03:50] <AndyFitz> jsgotangco, yes.  and ciao!
[03:50] <Keybuk> AndyFitz: is afternoon here now
[04:19] <Keybuk> m4/libs.m4:47: error: m4_defn: undefined macro: _m4_divert_diversion
[04:19] <Keybuk> autoconf/general.m4:1442: AC_ARG_VAR is expanded from...
[04:19] <Keybuk> m4/libs.m4:47: the top level
[04:19] <Keybuk> autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1
[04:19] <Keybuk> ...
[04:20] <Keybuk> ah yes "you forgot a [ at the start of a defun"
[04:20] <Mez> lol - Keybuk, lucky you, I dont know Erdingotn and I live here
[04:20] <Keybuk> sometimes I think tla got its error reporting from autoconf :p
[04:23] <toresbe> Has anyone heard of Ubuntu CD's delaminating?
[04:23] <toresbe> my Warty live is delaminating
[04:26] <Keybuk> AndyFitz: btw, I'm naming the next dpkg release after you :p
[04:27] <AndyFitz> Scott,   there's a dodgy reason behind it I'm sure
[04:27] <Keybuk> not especially.  Jeff made me name 1.13.9 "In like Flynn", so the only logical name for 1.13.10 is "On like Donkey Kong" <g>
[04:30] <Mez> lol
[04:30] <lamont-away> cd ../../exports/lib && ln -s ../../lib/Xss/libXss.a .
[04:30] <lamont-away> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x0006f948 ***
[04:30] <lamont-away>  /bin/sh: line 1: 27741 Aborted                 make -C $i -w all
[04:31] <lamont> daniels: not because it's your fault, mind you
[04:39] <Burgundavia> jdub, ping
[05:14] <siretart> c++ gurus: is partial specialisation of function templates really not possible with g++?
[05:21] <Mez> find: ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale: No such file or directory
[05:21] <Mez> dh_builddeb: command returned error code 256
[05:21] <Mez> make: *** [binary-makedeb-IMPL/konversation]  Error 1
[05:21] <Mez> ******************************************************************************
[05:21] <Mez> Build finished at 20050611-1550
[05:21] <Mez> FAILED [dpkg-buildpackage died]
[05:22] <Mez> GRR
[05:25] <ogra> hmm, can someone xplain this ?
[05:25] <ogra> ogra@honk:~ $ lsmod |grep nvidia
[05:25] <ogra> ogra@honk:~ $ glxgears
[05:25] <ogra> 1390 frames in 5.0 seconds = 278.000 FPS
[05:25] <KaiL_> nvidia-driver not loaded?
[05:25] <ogra> not even installed
[05:25] <ogra> since i use breezy
[05:25] <ogra> (there is no l-r-m package yet)
[05:26] <KaiL_> that's why you get softare rendering
[05:26] <KaiL_> so where's the problem?
[05:26] <ogra> normally it shouldnt render at all....
[05:26] <KaiL_> why?
[05:26] <ogra> i never saw a nvidia card rendering any 3D stuff with the nv driver
[05:26] <KaiL_> it doesn't
[05:26] <KaiL_> the CPU does
[05:27] <Lathiat> yeh you can do softwre gl
[05:27] <ogra> argh, damned... sure....
[05:27] <Lathiat> positive
[05:27] <Lathiat> at 278 fps
[05:27] <Lathiat> it so software gl
[05:27] <Lathiat> :D
[05:27] <ogra> nvidia-glx exchanges the mesa libs...
[05:27] <Lathiat> dun matter
[05:27] <Lathiat> it just works
[05:27] <KaiL_> yes, and this exchanged file is, what breaky software render
[05:27] <ogra> (in fact its the only content of this package)
[05:27] <Lathiat> thats alli can tell you
[05:28] <ogra> KaiL_, exactly :)
[05:28] <ogra> i was just astonished to get no error abou missing glx... but normally i have the nvidia driver installed to be able to switch if needed :)
[05:29] <KaiL_> we should provide 2.6.12 packages for hoary after it gets released, including new X drivers
[05:29] <KaiL_> the 2.6.10 starts to become problematic, esp. the hd audio on Centrino2 Laptops
[05:30] <ogra> huh ? why that ? did the HW change ?
[05:30] <KaiL_> it's totally unsupported
[05:30] <ogra> so it is brandnew ?
[05:30] <KaiL_> yes
[05:31] <ogra> then lets support it with the brandnew release ;)
[05:31] <pitti> hi
[05:31] <KaiL_> Centrino2 started to sell in April
[05:31] <ogra> hey pitti
[05:31] <ogra> KaiL_, sure... and we will support it in oct...
[05:32] <KaiL_> quite bad imho
[05:32] <Mez> hey pitti
[05:32] <ogra> not as bad as breaking a stable distribution :)
[05:33] <zyga> centrino2?
[05:33] <zyga> what's that ;]
[05:33] <KaiL_> I only thought about an optional 2.6.12
[05:34] <KaiL_> zyga: intel i915 Chipset, 533MHz FSB, HD Audio...
[05:34] <zyga> googling
[05:35] <ogra> KaiL_, and how do you make sure udev, HAL, hotplug, the soundserver, pcmcia ..... etc pp work safe with it ?
[05:35] <KaiL_> ogra: that's why I said _optional_
[05:35] <KaiL_> as the kde 3.4.1 on kubuntu.org
[05:37] <KaiL_> and I already have the breezy kernel installed on several hoary systems - to fix kernel related problems
[05:37] <ogra> KaiL_, thats like backporting glibc from breezy to hoary
[05:38] <KaiL_> bad enough, that I don't have such a laptop to see, if the kernel alone is enough
[05:40] <KaiL_> ipw2100 or 2200?
[05:41] <siretart> KaiL_: ipw2100
[05:41] <Lathiat> but isnt the 2100 802.11b which doesnt do wpa?
[05:41] <Lathiat> i thought that was an 802.11g thing?
[05:42] <siretart> Lathiat: wpa seems to work with newer ipw2100 drivers (according to the wpasupplicant readme)
[05:42] <Lathiat> interesting
[05:43] <siretart> I suspect that the firmware in hoarys kernel don't support wpa. but i'm not sure
[05:43] <KaiL_> the ipw drivers in hoary are both very old
[06:15] <siretart> what kernel is currently (actually and targeted) in breezy?
[06:17] <Burgundavia> siretart, 12 is targeted, if it releases in time
[06:17] <siretart> Burgundavia: are you a member of the kernel team?
[06:18] <Burgundavia> no
[06:28] <Riddell> pitti: do you know what's happened with the build of konversation 0.18?  "pkgstriptranslations: processing control file.... find: ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale: No such file or directory"
[06:32] <pitti> Hi Riddell
[06:32] <pitti> hm, no, didn't see that
[06:34] <Seveas> Quick question: where can i find the e-mailaddress of the us.archive.ubuntu.com maintainer? The server has been erroneous for more than a day now...
[06:34] <Amaranth> it's a known problem
[06:34] <Amaranth> meaning these guys know :)
[06:34] <Seveas> Amaranth, i know :)
[06:35] <Seveas> then why don't they fix it ;)
[06:39] <Mez> when it's being built does debian/konversation exist?
[06:41] <pitti> Riddell: I think I know what's going on, I just wonder why it doesn't fail for other packages that don't come with translations...
[06:42] <Mez> pitti: what do you think's up
[06:42] <pitti> Mez: a bug in pkgstriptranslations
[06:42] <pitti>     if [ "$dostrip" -a -z "$blacklisted" ] ; then
[06:42] <pitti>         find "$PKGDIR/usr/share/locale" -type f -name "*.mo" -exec rm '{}' \;
[06:43] <Mez> sounds.. fun
[06:43] <Mez> sounds like it's going to be a pain in the ass to fix
[06:43] <pitti> i. e. if $PKGDIR does not contain a locale directory, find exits with -1 and thus pkgstriptranslations (and the build) fails
[06:43] <Mez> well, to get into the builder
[06:43] <pitti> Mez: no, fixing is trivial
[06:43] <Mez> but to get it into the builder?
[06:44] <pitti> Mez: I upload a fixed pkgstriptranslations and as soon as it's in the dchroots, we give-back the konversation build
[06:44] <pitti> Mez: the dchroots are updated automtatically daily
[06:44] <pitti> oh, now, there already is a check
[06:44] <pitti>     [ -d "$PKGDIR/usr/share/locale" ]  || continue
[06:44] <pitti> that makes sense, otherwise the build would fail for hundreds of packages...
[06:45] <Mez> so i didnt screw up in building it?
[06:45] <Mez> making the package *
[06:46] <pitti> Mez: no, I don't think so, but let's debug this first
[06:46] <pitti> hm, eariler versions had plenty of *.po files
[06:46] <pitti> or, rather *.mo in /usr/share/locale
[06:47] <pitti> hrm - WTF???
[06:47] <jdub> Keybuk: boggle, you called it "in like flynn"?!
[06:47] <Riddell> pitti: my local chroot build of that konversation 0.18 package has lots of .mo file in /usr/share/locale
[06:47] <Keybuk> jdub: yes
[06:47] <jdub> ha ha
[06:47] <Keybuk> s/jdub/daniels/
[06:48] <Keybuk> think-o
[06:48] <Keybuk> actually, no
[06:48] <Keybuk> it was you :p
[06:48] <Keybuk> Jun 10 07:30:57 jdub    Keybuk: release name "in like flynn"
[06:48] <Keybuk> daniels just explained it <g>
[06:48] <jdub> oh
[06:49] <pitti> Riddell: do you have a readily built version on your hd?
[06:49] <Mez> I have .debs
[06:49] <Mez> well a .deb for i386
[06:49] <pitti> Riddell: if so, then it's quicker to debug
[06:50] <pitti> Mez: well, for debugging we need a readily built tree
[06:50] <Mez> ah
[06:50] <Mez> fair enough
[06:50] <pitti> I can also build it myself, but if you already have it, it's faster
[06:50] <Riddell> pitti: yes
[06:50] <pitti> Riddell: can you please sudo apt-get install pkgstriptranslations
[06:50] <pitti> Riddell: and enable it in /etc/pkgstriptranslations.conf?
[06:51] <Mez> nvm
[06:52] <Riddell> pitti: done
[06:52] <pitti> Riddell: now please go into the build directory
[06:52] <pitti> Riddell: and do "sh -x /usr/bin/pkgstriptranslations 2>&1 > ~/strip.out
[06:52] <seb128> hey pitti
[06:52] <pitti> Hi seb128
[06:53] <seb128> pitti: you broken language packs
[06:53] <pitti> seb128: did you notice that some translations are now missing?
[06:53] <pitti> seb128: hehe, same thought :-)
[06:53] <pitti> seb128: I have some English menu entries
[06:54] <Riddell> pitti: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/strip.out
[06:54] <Riddell> there was a lot of output which wasn't caught with that command
[06:54] <pitti> Riddell: d'oh, so that worked?
[06:54] <pitti> Riddell: oops, right, the redirection commands need to be swapped
[06:55] <seb128> pitti: gnome-panel has no .mo with your new language pack
[06:55] <pitti> can you copy&paste the rest?
[06:55] <Mez> 1>&2
[06:55] <seb128> pitti: some french guys kicked me this morning :p
[06:55] <pitti> seb128: this was the first time I built langpacks only out of stripped tarballs
[06:55] <pitti> seb128: kick him back and yell "development version" :-)
[06:55] <pitti> seb128: but they should now have evolution translations for exchange :-)
[06:55] <seb128> yeah :)
[06:55] <Riddell> pitti: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/strip-output.text
[06:56] <pitti> Riddell: did the command succeed?
[06:56] <Riddell> pitti: it returned 0
[06:56] <pitti> grumble
[06:56] <pitti> Riddell: so it actually works, kthxbye :-)
[06:56] <pitti> no, seriously, that puzzles me
[06:56] <pitti> it explicitly checks that the directory is there
[06:58] <Treenaks> any gpg gurus around?
[06:58] <Treenaks> (or keyserver fanatics)
[06:58] <Mez> Treenaks, #gnupg
[06:58] <Treenaks> Mez: good one :)
[07:01] <Mez> soo... any ideas pitti
[07:01] <Mez> pkgstriptranslations: processing control file: ./debian/konversation/DEBIAN/control, package konversation, directory ./debian/konversation
[07:02] <Mez> /build/buildd/konversation-0.18/debian/konversation /build/buildd/konversation-0.18
[07:02] <Mez> /build/buildd/konversation-0.18
[07:02] <pitti> yeah, that's the pushd/popd
[07:02] <Mez> yeah, bu why the same dir twice?
[07:02] <jdub> daniels: ping
[07:02] <pitti> Mez: hm?
[07:03] <Mez> It lists /build/buildd/konversation-0.18 twice...
[07:03] <Mez> si it meant to ?
[07:03] <pitti> Mez: oh, pushd prints out the old and new dir (first line), popd only the old dir (2nd line)
[07:03] <Mez> ah
[07:05] <jdub> hrm, i guess it's unlikely that he's up
[07:06] <Mez> could it be somehow that it's picking up the wrong variable somehow and installing to another dir rather than the local dir
[07:06] <pitti> Mez: the first find command that puts the mo files into the tarball works fine
[07:07] <Burgundavia> jdub, I pinged you eariler, but we had some network issues
[07:07] <Mez> but ... ?
[07:07] <pitti> Mez: it must be the second or third one that remove the mo files and directories from the package directory
[07:07] <Mez> hmm/.... so how to fix?
[07:07] <Burgundavia> jdub, I was asking regarding the new them from Andyfitz
[07:07] <jdub> Burgundavia: mm?
[07:07] <Mez> and i didnt think find actually... moved anything
[07:07] <Burgundavia> jdub, had a user suggesting a theme, but I didn't know when the his new stuff was going to land
[07:08] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40947
[07:08] <pitti> Mez: as long as we can't reproduce this, I can't fix it...
[07:09] <pitti> Riddell, Mez: I try again to build in a breezy dchroot
[07:10] <Mez> /usr/bin/install -c -p -m 644 konversation.gmo /build/buildd/konversation-0.18/debian/konversation//usr/share/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/konversation.mo
[07:10] <Mez> grr
[07:10] <Mez> pitti - I built in  a breezy chroot, through pbuild, ridell built in just a general chroot.
[07:11] <Mez> it must be something that our build scrits dont do that the server does
[07:12] <pitti> Mez: most likely you don't have an activated pkgstriptranslations
[07:15] <Mez> yes, but if riddell just tried with one
[07:15] <pitti> Riddell, Mez: building the package now...
[07:16] <pitti> Mez: I mean, I can just add a "|| true" after the find commands, but I'm more interested in the actual cause
[07:18] <Mez> yeah i understand pitti
[07:18] <Mez> am gonna save you a copy of my build log
[07:18] <Mez> ;)
[07:20] <zyga> how is X transition going on?
[07:24] <Mez> pitti, do you want me to do a build with pkgdtriptranslations enabled?
[07:38] <pitti> Mez: the build finished (and I'm back), lemme try
[07:39] <Mez> so - if the build finsihed
[07:39] <pitti> (build without stripping)
[07:39] <Mez> was that with pkgstriptranslations?
[07:39] <pitti> I'm doing that manually now
[07:39] <Mez> ah fair enough
[07:40] <Mez> a full build
[07:40] <Mez> but i'm sure you know what you're doing more than me
[07:41] <pitti> find: ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale: No such file or directory
[07:41] <pitti> aaaah
[07:43] <Mez> lmao
[07:43] <pitti> "lmao"?
[07:43] <Mez> or not
[07:43] <Mez> It's just annoying ... these things
[07:44] <Mez> laughing my ass off
[07:44] <pitti> ah
[07:44] <pitti> that's also interesting:
[07:44] <pitti> "find: warning: you have specified the -depth option after a non-option argument -type, but options are not positional (-depth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it).  Please specify options before other arguments.
[07:44] <pitti> "
[07:45] <pitti> I didn't see that in the build log
[07:45] <pitti> that might be the reason
[07:45] <Mez> o_O
[07:45] <Mez> fair enough
[07:45] <zyga> "find: warning: today is a full moon, please wait till tommorow"
[07:45] <Mez> yeah pitti
[07:46] <Mez> I jsut ran with striptaslations enabled,
[07:46] <Mez> and it cocked up
[07:46] <tseng> zyga: yeah i swear somedays i can do find /path -name *.foo
[07:46] <tseng> zyga: and other days i have to quote it
[07:46] <tseng> '*.foo;
[07:46] <tseng> '*.foo'
[07:47] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/build.out.txt
[07:47] <zyga> why do we have find with that ackward syntax again?
[07:47] <pitti> that feels sooo buggy...
[07:48] <pitti> $ find ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale -type d -empty; echo $?
[07:48] <pitti> ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale
[07:48] <pitti> 0
[07:48] <pitti> $ find ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale -depth -type d -empty; echo $?
[07:48] <pitti> find: ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale: No such file or directory
[07:48] <pitti> 1
[07:48] <Mez> ouch
[07:48] <pitti> so as soon as I specify -depth, it fails if the directory is empty
[07:48] <Mez> what about
[07:48] <Mez> ind ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale -depth -type d -depth -empty; echo $?
[07:49] <pitti> twice?
[07:49] <Mez> I mean
[07:49] <Mez> find ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale -type d -depth -empty; echo $?
[07:49] <Mez> after -type
[07:49] <pitti> Mez: erm, that's what I did before, and find complained about the position of -depth
[07:49] <Mez> ah
 "find: warning: you have specified the -depth option after a non-option argument -type, but options are not positional (-depth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it).  Please specify options before other arguments.
[07:49] <zyga> pitti: find: error, complaint not found
[07:49] <Mez> pitti: sounds like a big
[07:49] <Mez> bug ?
[07:49] <pitti> indeed
[07:50] <Mez> are you setting a maxdepth
[07:50] <Mez> ?
[07:50] <pitti> no
[07:50] <pitti> the directory is *empty*
[07:51] <Mez>        -depth Process each directorys contents before the directory itself.
[07:51] <Mez> ah
[07:51] <Mez> so it is the feckong thing
[07:51] <Mez> its a find bug
[07:51] <Mez> whee
[07:51] <zyga> you've found a found bug
[07:51] <zyga> amazing :-)
[07:52] <Mez> grr
[07:52] <chol> daniels, i've debootstrap'd an ubuntu and will try to build <IP_ADDRESS> using your scripts
[07:53] <pitti> Mez: ok, I do the || true workaround and report it to Debian
[07:53] <Mez> and whoever makes findutils?
[07:55] <pitti> Mez: oddy enough that does not happen on my machine
[07:55] <Mez> waht doesnt?
[07:56] <Mez> the bug?
[07:56] <pitti> yes
[07:56] <pitti> and it works fine on Hoary
[07:56] <pitti> just not in Breezy
[07:56] <Mez> yeah, I think it's prob something to do with the unstable version of findutils
[07:56] <Mez> (which is still in testing)
[07:57] <jdub> the findutils changes are really annoying
[07:57] <Mez> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=findutils
[07:58] <pitti> jdub: are there more breakages?
[07:58] <Mez> I guess it only happens on things with nothing in locale
[07:59] <pitti> ah, that could be
[07:59] <pitti> hm, no
[07:59] <Mez> try dropping a fake file in there pitti, and see what happens with that find command
[07:59] <Mez> ah you obv just did
[07:59] <Mez> so findutils = broken :D whee
[08:00] <pitti> Mez: I created an empty directory "x" on my machine
[08:00] <pitti> LANG= LANGUAGE= find x -depth -type d -empty; echo $?
[08:00] <pitti> x
[08:00] <pitti> 0
[08:00] <Mez> move a couple of dirs below that and try find it
[08:00] <pitti> Mez: it doesn'T even happen for ~/x on the same machine that breaks the konversation build
[08:00] <Mez> fined bla/bla/bla/bla/x etc
[08:01] <jdub> pitti: my mutt configuration reloads the folder set using a find command... having lots of stderr spew when switching folders was really annoying ;)
[08:01] <Mez> *shrugs*
[08:01] <pitti> Mez: yep, that's it
[08:01] <Mez> so it's finds with a / in
[08:01] <Mez> well./... more than one dier
[08:01] <Mez> as i said - possibly something to do with default maxdepth setting?
[08:02] <pitti> doesn't make a difference
[08:02] <pitti> mkdir -p ~/x/y
[08:02] <pitti> $ find x/y -depth -maxdepth 10 -type d -empty; echo $?
[08:02] <pitti> find: x/y: No such file or directory
[08:02] <pitti> 1
[08:02] <Mez> freaky?
[08:03] <Mez> reckon it's debain- or upstream?
[08:03] <pitti> annyoing
[08:03] <Mez> god i cant type today
[08:03] <Mez> lemme know when youfile a bug report pitti :D
[08:03] <Mez> lol
[08:03] <Mez> anyways
[08:03] <Mez> gonna read
[08:03] <Mez> this annoyed me
[08:04] <Mez> need rest
[08:04] <pitti> Mez: shall I put you in CC? which mail address?
[08:04] <Mez><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:05] <pitti> Mez, Riddell: new pkgstriptranslations uploaded
[08:05] <pitti> Riddell: can you please ask infinity on Monday to give it back?
[08:05] <pitti> Riddell: (it needs a while until it is intalled in the dchroots)
[08:07] <Riddell> infinity is the new lamont?
[08:07] <tseng> yes.
[08:07] <pitti> yes :-)
[08:07] <lamont> although I'm not completely gone yet...
[08:08] <lamont> infinity is just present at more, and different times than me.
[08:16] <pitti> Mez: filed, CC'ed you
[08:17] <pitti> good evening everybody
[08:34] <reb> hey... im having a problem with upgrading to breezy that im not able to fix on my own
[08:36] <Keybuk> +c
[08:36] <reb> yes yes
[08:36] <reb> i dont mind that it doesnt work, im just trying to fix and understand the problem
[08:37] <Keybuk> what's the error?  bear in mind it may not actually be resolvable
[08:38] <reb> i refer you to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=208694#post208694
[08:40] <Keybuk> it's a known change
[08:40] <Keybuk> upstream changed the way find works
[08:40] <reb> how could i resolve it (could i?)
[08:40] <Mez> wait is this the find thing again
[08:40] <Mez> grr
[08:40] <Keybuk> edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox.postrm and remove the offending find statement :p
[08:40] <reb> ok!
[08:41] <Mez> grr @ upstream
[08:41] <Mez> ok so... I'm sorta glad I helped cause the first occurence :D
[08:41] <reb> yay!
[08:43] <Mez> Keybuk, how do i find details of when a package was last updated?
[08:43] <Keybuk> download it and read the changelog ?
[08:44] <Mez> am too lazy to do that
[08:44] <Keybuk> what question did you mean to ask?
[08:44] <Keybuk> when did the maintainer prepare the release?
[08:44] <Keybuk> when did the maintainer build the release?
[08:44] <Keybuk> when did the maintainer upload the release?
[08:44] <Keybuk> when did the archive accept the release?
[08:44] <Keybuk> when the the buildd accept that it needed to build it?
[08:44] <crimsun> Mez: packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/$pool/$first_initial/$package/$version/changelog
[08:44] <Keybuk> when did the buildd finish building it
[08:45] <Keybuk> etc. etc.
[08:46] <Mez> I'm just wonderin how long findutils has been broken
[08:46] <Keybuk> could be anything up to ~4-5 months ago
[08:46] <Keybuk> since hoary UVF
[08:47] <Mez> so... why only picked up now
[08:47] <Keybuk> UVF.
[08:47] <Keybuk> we stop taking new upstream versions at a certain point in the release process
[08:48] <Keybuk> and then concentrate on bug fixing, and taking only important changes, etc.
[08:48] <Mez> yeah but i mean, it's been used for how long in breezy
[08:48] <Mez> and breezy isnt locked yet is it?
[08:48] <Keybuk> could've been waiting on a merge
[08:48] <Keybuk> could've been held up by other breakage and only just built
[08:48] <Keybuk> or it could've only just been uploaded to Debian
[08:48] <Keybuk> I'd guess waiting on a merge, because we had 1ubuntu1 in hoary so it would've needed one
[08:48] <Keybuk> merges are manual
[08:49] <Mez> says was ubdasted o -2 on 9th june
[08:49] <Mez> that may be why
[08:50] <Mez> I need a pint?
[08:50] <Mez> i need a pint *
[08:50] <Mez> fancy meeting me for one keybuk?
[08:50] <Mez> lol (nah i gots work to do)
[08:50] <Keybuk> :)  sadly, I'm entertaining this evening
[08:51] <Mez> can i come ? :P
[08:51] <Keybuk> (when they turn up and drag me away from dpkg hacking)
[08:51] <Mez> lol - fair enough
[08:52] <Mez> I've got nothing to do till my gf comes tomrrow... lol... but really fancy a pint
[08:52] <Mez> cept maybe sleep
[08:53] <Mez> some other time eh Keybuk  ??? :P
[08:53] <Keybuk> yup
[08:53] <daniels> jdub: pong
[08:54] <daniels> chol: i can guarantee you it will fail
[08:54] <Mez> lol
[08:54] <chol> daniels, sure did :)
[08:54] <Mez> sounds fun
[08:55] <chol> daniels, built it regularly on a debian.. got "loader failed".. whatever that means
[08:56] <chol> so i'm having a hard time confirming the error
[08:56] <chol> tried against solaris x 6.x.x and it works there
[08:58] <chol> daniels, are you using brandens xfree build scripts originally?
[08:58] <daniels> 'loader failed' where?  during the build process?  when you start?
[08:58] <daniels> chol: not 'branden's', as such
[08:58] <chol> at startup, some modules fails to load
[08:58] <chol> seen the error on mailing lists but no direct answer
[08:58] <daniels> chol: ishikawa mutsumi took branden's 4.1 packaging and made it into 4.2.  i took ishikawa's 4.2 packaging and made it into 4.3.  fabio and I took my 4.3 packaging and made it into xorg 6.8.  i've maintained it from then on in.
[08:59] <daniels> chol: delete everything under /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/modules and start again
[08:59] <chol> i'll try, even though projectroot is /usr/xorg this affects?
[08:59] <daniels> ah, dunno
[09:00] <Amaranth> does anyone know of a cd burning app that doesn't use cdrecord and isn't k3b?
[09:00] <daniels> the module loader is complete crap, i think it searches /usr/X11R6 even when building with a different projectroot
[09:00] <Amaranth> oh, and not that new one in ubuntu either, it doesn't blank cd-rws
[09:00] <chol> daniels, i'll give it a try
[09:02] <chol> daniels, with logverbose i see some unresolved symbols that probablys the culprit
[09:02] <chol> i'll rebuild it all with the xfree install out of the way
[09:02] <mdz> doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libj/libjessie-java/1.0.0-1ubuntu1/libjessie-java_1.0.0-1ubuntu1_20050610-2245-i386-failed.gz
[09:03] <daniels> chol: awesome
[09:03] <chol> daniels, sweet dreams :)
[09:05] <Amaranth> Serpentine has some...issues
[09:05] <Amaranth> "Do you want to record your musics?"
[09:05] <Amaranth> "You are about to record a media disc. Canceling a writing operation will make your disc unusable."
[09:05] <Amaranth> then it tells me canceling will ruin the disc but it asks if i want to cancel
[09:14] <doko> mdz: I know. I would really like to have java-gcj-compat and ecj-bootstrap in universe for two days, until we have finished the things we need
[09:17] <mdz> doko: how would this help?
[09:18] <mdz> I cannot reproduce the failure here; seems like a missing dep
[09:19] <jdub> mdz: (hadess was just asking me if you got his email)
[09:19] <mdz> who is hadess?
[09:19] <jdub> mdz: (sorry, bastien nocera)
[09:19] <mdz> yes, I do have an email from him dated June 10th (yesterday)
[09:19] <jdub> ok
[09:20] <mdz> I also have email from June 7th, 8th and 9th that I haven't responded to yet
[09:20] <jdub> same
[09:20] <jdub> i hate email atm
[09:20] <doko> mdz: buildable ecj-bootstrap, buildable java-gcj-compat
[09:20] <Amaranth> serpentine has died :/
[09:20] <doko> installable java-gcj-compat
[09:21] <wasabi_> hi
[09:21] <Keybuk> mdz: this is the trouble you get for having a reputation as someone who responds to e-mail
[09:21] <Mez> whereas keybuk I think leans on the delete button for half an hour a day :P
[09:22] <Keybuk> Mez: dude, I have scripts that do that for me :p
[09:22] <Mez> oh yeah
[09:22] <Mez> I forogt...
[09:22] <Mez> Keybuk = geek
[09:23] <Keybuk> "I sent you an HTML e-mail with a 200MB attachment, why didn't you get it?"
[09:23] <Keybuk> "I sent an e-mail to every single e-mail address of yours I could find, why didn't you get it?"
[09:23] <Keybuk> "I sent you the same e-mail 200 times, why didn't you get it?"
[09:23] <Keybuk> etc.
[09:24] <daniels> (to every address, HTML-formatted, with uncompressed xorg build logs from every architecture attached.)
[09:24] <Keybuk> daniels: after about the third, you get rejected at the SMTP level
[09:24] <Keybuk> actually, _you_ wouldn't because you're in my address book
[09:24] <Keybuk> so you can send me whatever you like
[09:24] <daniels> \o/
[10:06] <mdz> doko: they seem to be installable, as they are being used for build-deps
[10:07] <mdz> doko: if they are not buildable, then we should just fix that
[10:07] <mdz> doko: they were installable and buildable at the time I moved them into main
[10:13] <doko> mdz: ok, think I found, it's libant1.6-java, which is broken. so, if a buildd admin is here (lamont?), then it should be fixable by building ant with a fixed libant1.6-java on the buildd.
[10:14] <doko> lamont, infinity: ^^^
[10:17] <Mez> o_O
[10:17] <Mez> what the ****
[10:17] <Mez> how can thingsget into the repository without having a signed .dsc
[10:50] <Mez> any devs here want to sponsor my package for breezy? seeing as I cant upload myselg (gaim 1.3.1
[10:50] <seb128> no
[10:50] <seb128> I'm going to sync this one on Debian
[10:51] <dogfoodbrain> Ubuntu es la mejor distribucin de Linux del mundo.
[10:51] <Mez> :'(
[10:51] <Mez> but thtas what i alreday did
[10:51] <tseng> Mez: dud eI thought I told you
[10:51] <Mez> told me what tseng?
[10:51] <tseng> running uupdate doesnt help anyone that much
[10:52] <Mez> tseng
[10:52] <Mez> I just merged from debian :P
[10:52] <tseng> Mez
[10:52] <seb128> which is pretty useless
[10:52] <Mez> so that isnt running uupdate now is it
[10:52] <seb128> that's faster to merge than to get your package and review it
[10:52] <Mez> lol
[10:52] <tseng> no, its even less work
[10:52] <tseng> we do it automatically
[10:53] <Mez> *shrugs*
[10:53] <Mez> fair enough
[10:53] <tseng> if you want to help out maybe read up on the CXX transition
[10:53] <tseng> or go through gnome bugs on bugzilla
[10:53] <tseng> then KDE bugs
[10:53] <Mez> I just built gaim cause i backported it for hoary ...
[10:54] <Mez> just as i backported konv 0.18 for hoary, then built for breezy
[10:54] <seb128> thanks anyway
[10:54] <tseng> why are you backporting things that arent in breezy?
[10:54] <seb128> but that's not useful :)
[10:55] <doko> Mez: k3b needs some love ...
[10:59] <Mez> lol
[10:59] <Mez> I'll remember that
[11:00] <Choubaka> Would anyone here happen to know what's the support for suspending on those HP laptops that ship with the special HP Ubuntu? According to the forum it seems the changes would be incorporated to Ubuntu (breezy/hoary?) at some point. The wiki says suspending doesn't quite work, but that info may be outdated :/
[11:01] <seb128> Mez: have you used a .orig.tar.gz or made it native debian as the Debian package?
[11:02] <Mez> for what seb128
[11:03] <seb128> about what were we talking 2 min ago?
[11:03] <Mez> gaim
[11:03] <Mez> i used orig.tar.gz
[11:03] <seb128> k, you have your answer
[11:03] <seb128> so you diverge from Debian :/
[11:04] <Mez> I use the orig.tar.gz and diff.gz from debian
[11:04] <Mez> and then I rebuild .
[11:04] <seb128> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gaim/
[11:04] <seb128> 1.3.1 has no .orig.tar.gz
[11:04] <seb128> they screwed somewhere
[11:04] <Mez> oh
[11:04] <seb128> that's a native debian package
[11:04] <Mez> then i jsut go thte orgic.tar.gz and rebuilt
[11:04] <Mez> I think
[11:05] <seb128> k, so you don't even know what you did
[11:05] <seb128> you didn't merge with Debian
[11:05] <Mez> I cant remember
[11:05] <seb128> I'll update, thanks anyway
[11:05] <Mez> I think the orig.tar.gz included the debian/ dir
[11:05] <Mez> so i just built once I downloaded it
[11:05] <seb128> there is no .orig.tar.gz
[11:05] <Mez> or whatever file it was on debian
[11:06] <Mez> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gaim/gaim_1.3.1-1.tar.gz
[11:06] <Mez> donwloaded that
[11:06] <Mez> untarred
[11:06] <Mez> changed the debian directory for changelog
[11:06] <Mez> etc
[11:06] <Mez> and pdebuild'd it
[11:07] <Mez> ah yes
[11:07] <Mez> seems to have made a native debian package for it on ubuntu too
[11:07] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/breezy/
[11:07] <seb128> have you updated the translation.patch?
[11:08] <Mez> er no...
[11:08] <Mez> I knmwe I'd forgotten something
[11:09] <seb128> k, so I'll upload your package next time, sorry for this one :)
[11:09] <Mez> ??
[11:09] <Mez> lol
[11:09] <seb128> just wondering if I should upload your build or update
[11:09] <Mez> *shrugs*
[11:10] <Mez> i forgot that translation thing
[11:10] <seb128> but since you seems to have forgotten some part I'll use my build
[11:10] <seb128> yeah, that's why
[11:10] <Mez> but it seems to work ok on hoary without it
[11:10] <seb128> sure it works
[11:10] <seb128> there is only less translations
[11:10] <Mez> ah
[11:10] <Mez> fair enough
[11:10] <seb128> I'm building 1.3.1 with the translations so don't bother
[11:10] <seb128> thanks anyway
[11:10] <Mez> kk
[11:21] <jdub> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/breezy/
[11:22] <jdub> ^ if anyone wants to try the latest clearlooks
[11:22] <Mez> jdub - should e be scared
[11:22] <Mez> s/e/we/
[11:25] <tseng> jdub: hm
[11:25] <tseng> jdub: gradients
[11:25] <tseng> oh man that fucked my panel all up
[11:25] <Lathiat> jdub: source package so i can rebuild for hoary?
[11:26] <Mez> damn you lathiay
[11:26] <Mez> I was gonna sk for that
[11:29] <jdub> Lathiat: didn't bother uploading those
[11:29] <Lathiat> jdub: i noticed, thats why im asking for it?:)
[11:47] <whiprush> jdub: some friends and I are gonna work on fridge tonight. Is there anything we should do other than trying out different blocks and whatnot?
[11:48] <tseng> whiprush: make it "chill"
[11:48] <jdub> whiprush: lots of ideas for advocacy and interactive stuff
[11:48] <whiprush> right
[11:48] <whiprush> what about this civicspace shit?
[11:48] <tseng> whiprush: are we going to rip off getfirefox?
[11:48] <jdub> spreadfirefox has a lot of good starting ideas
[11:49] <tseng> yeah, spread
[11:49] <whiprush> tseng: not totally. It's a good place to start though
[11:49] <tseng> and actually track 10x10
[11:49] <whiprush> yup.
[11:49] <tseng> <3
[11:49] <jdub> whiprush: cool ideas for helping loco teams and software freedom day would be rad too
[11:49] <whiprush> on it.
[11:49] <tseng> whiprush: just tell me when i get my little web button
[11:50] <jdub> whiprush: we already have lots of good ideas for content, i think it's that stuff above that are black holes atm
[11:50] <whiprush> jdub: I really want to move to a working site soon. I'd like to hit low hanging fruit and stuff
[11:51] <jdub> whiprush: you're welcome to do anything you want on the current one
[11:51] <whiprush> ok.
[11:51] <jdub> whiprush: i just don't want to put make it more public until we've nailed down a lot of it
[11:51] <whiprush> will it be easy to migrate or are we just prototyping. I don't want to put too much effort into it if we're going to start over.
[11:51] <whiprush> but I'll be more than happy to break it
[11:51] <jdub> it'll be pretty easy to migrate
[11:52] <whiprush> any word on artwork? I'd love a sneak peek.
[11:52] <jdub> if you want to play with particular modules that need to be installed or anything, just ping
[11:52] <jdub> only what andy's done so far, which you've sen
[11:53] <jdub> haven't got any drops from him recently
[11:53] <sivang> jdub: hey jeff, 'sup? would it be too rude if I asked what are you discussing? ;-)
[11:53] <jdub> sivang: the fridge
[11:53] <whiprush> k, we'll update the spec as we work tonite. off to the bar.
[11:53] <jdub> whiprush: rawk :)
[11:54] <jdub> whiprush: oh, and if you want more people added to the list before First Mail, let me know :)
[11:55] <whiprush> I will
[11:57] <sivang> jdub: who's fridge is it?
[11:58] <jdub> soon, it will be the world's fridge
[11:59] <sivang> jdub: will stuff related to the fridge be discussed on the locoteams mailing list?
[12:00] <sivang> jdub: (I do keep reading it, if not keeping too current on -devel and others)


[00:24] <stiv2k> so i have a directory that several users access to share files... the dirs have perms drwxrws--- and files have perms -rw-r-----, yet for some reason i'm still able to delete files that aren't owned by me... how can i change this?
[00:34] <faulkes-> is there a reason the directory has the setgid bit set?
[00:35] <faulkes-> (the s in the perms)
[00:36] <stiv2k> um
[00:36] <stiv2k> faulkes-: i used to think s was sticky
[00:37] <stiv2k> but recently found out it's t
[00:37] <stiv2k> i really need some help organizing this directory structure -- if you don't mind, faulkes-
[00:37] <stiv2k> at least to get in the right direction
[00:37] <faulkes-> why do you need the sticky bit?
[00:38] <stiv2k> its a directory that many people will be accessing
[00:38] <stiv2k> to share music
[00:38] <stiv2k> and i dont want people to be able to modify or delete anything that isn't owned by them
[00:38] <stiv2k> and i've been messing with permissions and stuff but i can't seem to get it just right
[00:39] <faulkes-> well, start by setting the sticky bit then
[00:39] <faulkes-> well, probably remove the setgid bit, then apply the stick bit
[00:39] <stiv2k> right, but the sticky bit does not inherit
[00:40] <stiv2k> which kind of makes it a problem
[00:41] <stiv2k> so, if someone were to add a new directory, lets say its a new album
[00:41] <stiv2k> none of that new stuff will be stickied
[00:42] <stiv2k> faulkes-: is there any way to get around that? maybe a daily cron script or something...
[00:42] <faulkes-> cron may be an option, I'm not sure about what value selinux would provide, although that may be an option
[00:43] <stiv2k> hmm
[00:43] <stiv2k> now, is there anything else i should do in terms of permissions on directories and regular files
[00:43] <stiv2k> like for the samba config, theres a create mask for them
[00:44] <faulkes-> umask is set usually upon login
[00:44] <faulkes-> depending on the shell
[00:44] <stiv2k> well
[00:44] <stiv2k> i have no idea what that is
[00:44] <stiv2k> i was talking about samba's configuration
[00:44] <stiv2k> create mask = 0640
[00:44] <stiv2k> directory mask = 0770
[00:44] <faulkes-> umask is the default permissions a file/dir is created with
[00:45] <stiv2k> oh
[00:45] <stiv2k> how do i edit those?
[00:46] <faulkes-> it is typically set upon login by the default shell startup files
[00:46] <stiv2k> oh
[00:46] <stiv2k> so it's user-specific
[00:46] <faulkes-> i.e. either .bash_profile, .bashrc or /etc/bashrc (/etc/bash.bashrc on ubuntu usually)
[00:47] <stiv2k> i dont think thats a viable solution for me
[00:47] <faulkes-> the . files being user specific settings, the /etc/ generally being the defaults
[00:47] <stiv2k> since i'd have to configure it for each user
[00:54] <stiv2k> faulkes-: i think i found a solution
[00:54] <stiv2k> i'll do a sticky on the parent dir
[00:54] <stiv2k> and use a directory mask of 0750
[00:55] <stiv2k> so if they dont own the directory, they cant fuck with any of the files within, even if it's not sticky
[00:56] <faulkes-> sounds good, test it out
[01:21] <darkpixel> I am getting ready to do a network install of 7.10 on a handfull of machines.  I copied the cd to /var/www/ubuntu, created a kickstart file, setup PXE, and am running into one minor problem.  The machines PXE boot correctly, download the kickstart, and begin retrieving some of the installer files via HTTP...but at one point it says that downloading a file failed.  The file is ...
[01:21] <darkpixel> ... /ubuntu/pool/main/e/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs-udeb....  I look in that folder and I find an older version of e2fsprogs.  Why is it trying to download a newer version?
[01:22] <darkpixel> I have even tried symlinking /var/www/ubuntu to my local copy of archive.ubuntu.com and I run into the same issue--except with different files.
[01:23] <kgoetz> darkpixel: because the package lists your using point to that file
[01:25] <darkpixel> That's the part that confuses me.  If I'm doing an apt-mirror, shouldn't I have the correct package lists?   If I instead make a copy of the CD and try to install from that, how would I suddenly end up with a bad package list?
[01:25] <kgoetz> not sure, i havent tried netinstalling yet (but i'd be interested in any guides you have, i'll be doing it soon)
[01:26] <kgoetz> i have full mirrors at home, so i dont have that issue
[01:26] <darkpixel> Here are two from the ubuntu wiki: ectory under your freshly installed apache's document root and copy all of the contents of the Ubuntu Alternate CD to that directory
[01:26] <darkpixel> Here are two from the ubuntu wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer
[01:26] <darkpixel> Darn copy/paste bug
[01:26] <darkpixel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/QuickNetboot
[01:27] <kgoetz> copy/paste bug?
[01:29] <darkpixel> I've noticed there appears to be a difference between Edit->Paste/Right-Click->Paste and Shift+Insert.  And occasionally when you have text selected in firefox and then right-click the address bar and hit copy you may get the text you selected.
[01:30] <darkpixel> I've never really dug into the issue too much.  It happens on just about every linux platform I've used.
[01:54] <Clinteger> im installing samba, what's smbpasswd for?
[01:54] <Clinteger> do i have to make an account for it first?
[01:54] <Clinteger> ohh right nvm
[03:05] <kgoetz> um... can someone try and install 'tofrodos'? launchpad lists it as available in gutsy, but i cant install it (package not found)
[03:05] <kgoetz> hm. updating my package lists fixed it.
[04:17] <joycetick> anyone know how i can make my apache alias show up as a directory tree instead of 403 forbidden?
[04:24] <kgoetz> joycetick: can you explain a bit more?
[04:24]  * kgoetz has a question about mysql :/
[04:24] <kgoetz> specifically: is there a way to read a file in mysql syntax, and verify the file without loading it into hte database?
[04:29] <joycetick> kgoetz: i have a website in /home/web/public_html, so http://localhost shows me that folder in a directory tree because theres no index.php/htm file, now i want localhost/files to show /home/user/files in a directory tree but it just shows 403 forbidden :( (but i can still access the files in there if i type out the name in the address bar)
[04:32] <kgoetz> check the perms on the folders
[04:33] <kgoetz> your setup seems strangely complex though
[04:33] <joycetick> their 755.. does it? :S
[04:34] <joycetick> i just made another website for the /home/user/files and now it works
[04:34] <joycetick> ..but the root folder isnt the original website anymore, im not sure how to change that :$
[04:35] <joycetick> so now going to localhost or localhost/files goes to /home/user/files :S
[04:35] <kgoetz> are you editing sites-available/default ?
[04:36] <joycetick> i copied it
[04:37] <joycetick> so i have 3 files, default, web and files
[04:37] <kgoetz> and they are all enabled?
[04:37] <joycetick> not sure if thats how your supposed to do it?
[04:37] <joycetick> default is disabled
[04:37] <joycetick> web and files are enabled
[04:37] <kgoetz> can you pastebin your files please
[04:37] <kgoetz> !pastebin | joycetick
[04:37] <ubotu> joycetick: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:39] <joycetick> ok, will just one be fine because the only difference is the directory in 2 of the lines?
[04:41] <joycetick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55568/
[05:16] <kgoetz> joycetick: sorry, i've been doing work (i'm at work currently) :/ try #apache if you havent already, hopefully people there will have time to help out
[05:17] <joycetick> kgoetz: yeah np thanks
[07:05] <Dimitree> hello
[07:06] <Dimitree> is it possible to have the server version with GUI ?
[07:06] <Dimitree> i'm trying to acheave a secure noob phpbb server :)
[07:06] <kgoetz> you can install the desktop (or install a desktop on teh server)
[07:06] <Dimitree> and not lose the GUI :)
[07:07] <Dimitree> well i installed LAMP with Synaptic but it didn't work ... php pages were downloaded instead of opened, now i have installed xamp over it and i think i made a bih mess :) altho php works and i have installed phpbb
[07:07] <zobbo> Dimitree: from memory "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[07:08] <Dimitree> *big
[07:08] <zobbo> not that i'd ever do such an evil thing ;)
[07:08] <Dimitree> haha :)
[07:08] <Dimitree> i'm noob :) i need the GUI but i also want it to be at least secure to some point :)
[07:09] <Dimitree> i tryed Fedore and installed apache and php and mysql and i got hacked after 5 mins in irc in the Fedora chan
[07:09] <Dimitree> so if there is a way to avoid such incidents and still run a web noobish server with only one forum ill be very very happy :)
[07:10] <zobbo> I don't run gui's on my servers. I'd read up on and install shorewall though (firewall software). (apt-get install shorewall)
[07:10] <zobbo> there's a shorewall channel on freenode
[07:13] <Dimitree> can someone try to hack me :D
[07:14] <Dimitree> please ? =)
[07:17] <Dimitree> nevermind :)
[07:18] <Dimitree> i readed the server webpage and i think its what ill go for :)
[07:18] <Dimitree> after apt-get install ubuntu-desktop do i have to do anything + to make the gui autoload ?
[07:26] <Dimitree> ou one more thing
[07:27] <Dimitree> will i be able to setup my network ip during install ? if nto what is the command to configure LAN ?
[07:29] <Dimitree> guys please ? :)
[07:32] <soren> Of course you can set up your network during...
[07:32] <soren> oh, he buggered off.
[08:18] <kraut> moin
[09:27] <spiekey> hi
[09:27] <spiekey> soren: you there? :)
[09:28] <soren> I am.
[09:28] <spiekey> cool
[09:28] <spiekey> i was here last week because of a nss_ldap problem. I could need some help or hints ;)
[09:28] <soren> Ah, right.
[09:29] <soren> I'm sort of busy, but I'm sure someone in #ubuntu-motu could help you do the backport using your ppa.
[09:29] <spiekey> if i comment out ldap from my group section in "/etc/nsswitch.conf" my vmware-server works fine
[09:29] <spiekey> soren: okay. no problem. I am just not quite sure if backporting will solve this ;)
[09:31] <soren> spiekey: Didn't you say the new libnss-ldap fixed it?
[09:32] <soren> That's the last I remember. Sorry, if I missed something.
[09:34] <spiekey> i hope it will fix it.
[09:34] <spiekey> but it does not make sense to me since starting a vmware-child works if you press the start button a 2nd time after the error.
[09:35] <spiekey> i would have expected it to either work or not work. But thats weird
[09:40] <soren> spiekey: Well, it's hard to say if it remembers that the ldap lookup didn't work out.
[10:03] <Gargoyle> Morning all
[10:08] <spiekey> hi
[10:09] <spiekey> soren: what tool would you use to draw the nss and ldap architecture for documentation purpose?
[10:09] <spiekey> i would like to have a little diagramm to show what requires what
[10:10] <_ruben> ScottK: got a few mail server/postfix q's for you: does postfix offer a method to remove certain headers from emails that are relayed through postfix, and im looking for some performance statistics (mails/hour etc)
[10:17] <soren> spiekey: Depends on how masochistic I'm feeling.
[10:19] <soren> spiekey: On a day like today, I'd probably be writing it in pic (using groff to turn it into something pretty).
[10:47] <spiekey> soren: what the url of pic?
[10:53] <soren> spiekey: Good question.
[10:53] <soren> spiekey: ah.
[10:54] <soren> spiekey: /usr/share/doc/groff/pic.yourpreferredformat.gz is a good primer.
[10:54] <soren> spiekey: pic's a bit special. If you're on a tight deadline and never used it before, it might not be what you're looking for.
[10:54] <soren> spiekey: graphviz might also be an option (depending on what exactly you're doing)
[10:55] <spiekey> graphviz looks cool! ;)
[12:25] <zul> morning
[12:49] <ivoks> patching your kernels? :)
[12:49] <zul> no because I let the security team do it for me :)
[12:49] <ivoks> i don't see anyone commiting patches :/
[12:50] <zul> oh they are working on it...besides its not even 8am yet
[12:50] <ivoks> it's 1:30PM here :)
[12:50] <ivoks> i think people from security team should live all around the world :)
[12:53] <_ruben> 1:30pm ? you live in a timezone with a 20minute offset? :P
[12:55] <ivoks> 50
[12:55] <ivoks> 1:50
[12:55] <_ruben> figured as much :)
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> 11.30 here. i do have a 30 min offset ;)
[12:56] <_ruben> Kamping_Kaiser: i know there's 30min offset timezones, wasnt aware of any 20minutes ones ;)
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ruben, i think theres a 45 minute one in AU too (it covers one town+ surounding area)
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> however - night al!
[12:57] <_ruben> night? .. ah, 11:30am then i guess ;)
[12:58] <soren> One city with its own timezone? That has urban legend written all over it.
[12:58] <_ruben> erm .. pm
[12:58] <zul> newfoundland is half hour ahead of everyone in canada
[12:59] <soren> Madness.
[13:00] <_ruben> 'everyone in canada' .. i'd say that'd cover several timezones .. newfoundland is 30mins ahead of all of those? :p
[13:02] <soren> Wikipedia mentions the one in Australia.
[13:03] <soren> Go figure.
[13:03] <soren> Nepal has an .25 hour offset as well.
[13:04] <zul> http://www.timetemperature.com/tzca/newfoundland_time_zone.shtml
[13:06]  * _ruben decides to go southpark-ish and "blames canada!"
[14:12] <Clinteger> how do I add a new user and make it have a home directory and all the stuff that the user created in setup has [in the sudoers file, etc.]?
[14:33] <zul> Clinteger: adduser for start and then you can add the user to the various groups after
[14:39] <ScottK> _ruben: Yes.  You can remove headers using header checks.  There are add-ons for performance stats.
[14:40] <_ruben> ScottK: g'day .. after browsing some more on the postfix site i did find the header removal option .. still looking for some real life benchmarks/comparisons .. but those seem to be non-existent :p
[14:41] <ScottK> Ah.  I thought you were looking for a package to check your own performance stats.  I misunderstood your question.
[14:42] <_ruben> ScottK: any thoughts for hardware to run a bulkmail server running postfix on? currently i have a quad core / 4 gig / hardware raid using sas disks on the to-order list
[14:42] <ScottK> This kind of question does come up and it's difficult to have reliable, comparable benchmarks.
[14:42] <_ruben> i know
[14:42] <lamont> postfix has an smtp-{source,sink} binary in it, iirc... good for comparisons
[14:42] <ScottK> What are your message flow requirements?
[14:43] <_ruben> there's a lot of variables involved
[14:43] <ScottK> You'll be able to move a lot of mail with that.
[14:43] <_ruben> ScottK: what do you mean by that?
[14:43] <tez> what the hell O_O
[14:43] <_ruben> it'll be a dedicated bulk mail server .. so lots of outbound and only bounces as inbound
[14:43] <ScottK> How many messages do you need to be able to send (e.g. messages/minute or something)
[14:44] <_ruben> ScottK: our current setup (using suse+qmail) varies between 60k and 120k per hour
[14:44] <tez> so i have my server, right. and now everything is in capitals [as in BLAH LOGIN: <nothing> PASSWORD: <wrong> LOGIN INCORRECT]
[14:44] <tez> okay now thats not there
[14:44] <tez> idk :D
[14:44] <_ruben> ScottK: we want to atleast have similar performance
[14:45] <ScottK> In large volume deployments, disk I/O tends to be the bottleneck.  Having a large cache battery backed up controller is good.
[14:45] <_ruben> ScottK: figured as much .. the current mailservers all have software raid1 or raid5 .. switching to hardware raid should be a nice win i hope
[14:46] <ScottK> For an outbound server that doesn't need a lot of spam scanning, virus scanning, etc, I would guess that's achievable.
[14:46] <_ruben> ScottK: not too sure about the cache options, will ask around
[14:46] <_ruben> ScottK: no spam/virus checking at all
[14:46] <tez> meh so i think my .bashrc is screwed up, cause it only shows $ not name@location $, and I can delete the $ on the screen :}(
[14:46] <ScottK> For reliability reasons Postfix always writes messages to a queue file, so that's why disk I/O can dominate.
[14:47] <_ruben> that's similar to qmail i think
[14:48] <lamont> tez: if you give getty an uppercase login name, then it switches to believing that you're on a terminal from the 1970s that only does upper case, and downshifts everything you type, and upshifts everything it prints
[14:48] <tez> ohh okay.
[14:48] <tez> but what about the other part? you can't normally delete the $ :,
[14:48] <ScottK> Every site is different, so I think you need to just first set it up and then work on tuning for your situation.  Depending on what header checks you do, those can be pretty CPU intensive.
[14:48] <lamont> _ruben: you can tell the filesystem to not force the update (faster, introduces risk of lost mail), or just get a phat UPS and RAM and put /var/spool/postfix on a ramdisk. :)
[14:49] <ScottK> _ruben: ^^^ lamont is the postfix maintainer for Debian and Ubuntu.
[14:49] <lamont> (RAM + ramdisk and no UPS?  better be able to explain lost email......)
[14:50] <lamont> and then there's that whole what-happens-at-panic issue
[14:50] <lamont> Setting up tetex-bin (3.0-13ubuntu6.1) ...
[14:50] <lamont> Creating config file /etc/texmf/fmt.d/01tetex.cnf with new version
[14:50] <lamont> No alternatives for oxdvi.bin.
[14:50] <lamont> I hateseses tetex
[14:52] <_ruben> lamont, ScottK : just asked my boss .. the machine (dell pe1950) will have a perc6/i controller which has 256MB battery backed raid controller
[14:53] <ScottK> Dell 1950s work well with Ubuntu.  I know a number of people that use them.
[14:53] <lamont> with ext3 you can generally feel good about turning off sync writes... in fact, I, um, think that might be the default...
[14:55] <_ruben> nice
[14:56] <_ruben> hmm .. the battery backed part is actually a bit vague on the dell site .. lets just hope we dont have too much crashes during mailings ;)
[14:56] <lamont> Default: false
[14:57] <lamont> _Description: Force synchronous updates on mail queue?
[14:57] <lamont> use ext3
[14:57] <_ruben> ext3 is what i use pretty much everywhere anyways
[14:57] <lamont> of course, by default, ext3 just does metadata, not actuall datadata
[14:58] <_ruben> i really should find me some time to dive into filesystem optimization possibilities and such
[14:58] <_ruben> just far too many things on my to-do & wish list .. tho i recon thats a far too common issue around here ;)
[15:01] <tez> in ubuntu, for root and the default created user it shows name@comp:location$ but for the account I created myself it only shows $, i can't use the up arrow to go to previous commands, I can delete everything in the terminal, etc. -- how can i change this?
[15:04] <sommer> tez: double check the user's default shell in /etc/passwd... you probably meant it to be /bin/bash
[15:05] <tez> ahh thanks so much!
[15:05] <sommer> np
[15:09] <_ruben> lamont: last quick q before i head out .. concerning the performance .. given a dell 1950 (quad core / 4 gb / hw raid) on a gigabit uplink without any spam/virus checking .. does 100k mails per hour sound fair ?
[15:10] <lamont> _ruben: others would be better for that question...  although I once moved >30000 emails in far less than an hour in 1997, with no tuning.  I know it's come a long way since that evening.
[15:11] <_ruben> ah ok .. thanks for the pointers so far :)
[15:11] <lamont> amusingly, that was the evening that my patch introducing header_checks was accepted.
[15:11] <_ruben> heheh
[15:12] <_ruben> gotta go now .. be back tomorow (that is in about 16 hrs)
[15:48] <roote> hi all!
[15:48] <roote> how do i install a package to use while installing ubuntu server? i need to install the dmraid package.
[16:36] <faulkes-> hrmmm, next week is gonna be a whole lot of busy afternoons with UDW for me
[16:37]  * faulkes- expects to learn a lot
[16:39] <soren> roote: Which Ubuntu version?
[16:47] <livingwater> wohoo :) successfuly installed server and desktop :) and it works !
[16:47] <Dimitree> is there some way to check if my installation is secure ?
[16:50] <tez> hi. I'm not sure if its a grub error or ubuntu, but I'm just starting ubuntu server [recovery mode] and it gets stuck at Starting up... after that. Nothing at all, no errors, shows
[17:35] <Stonekeeper> Hi! I'm wondering if it's possible to install dmraid using the gutsy server CD. I'm trying to get it to pick up a promise raid controller. Many thanks.
[17:43] <roote> soren: ubuntu server 7.10
[18:04] <faulkes-> Dimitree: that is a hugely scoped question, re: security, try to define it a little more
[18:05] <faulkes-> tez: is there a reason you are starting in recovery mode? (granted you seem to be having issues)
[18:09] <Dimitree> faulkes-, i want to know if my system is secure enough so that a "l33t" person can not hack it in 5 minutes :)
[18:09] <Dimitree> i have installed LAMP and phpbb3
[18:10] <Dimitree> i don't want someone to just try and due to my not knowing anything be able to destroy everything in 5 inutes
[18:10] <Dimitree> can someone intentionaly try hacking my pc ?
[18:10] <Dimitree> please don't do damage :)
[18:11] <faulkes-> unfortunately that isn't something I would do, I would recommend though reading up on security, especially as it relates to phpbb3
[18:12] <faulkes-> follow any phpbb3 best practices for security, etc..
[18:13] <faulkes-> in general, LAMP is fairly secure, but when you add php code (such as phpbb3) that is where security becomes an issue
[18:14] <Dimitree> any chance to referance me to a good guide ? I don't know what is good and what's not :)
[18:16] <faulkes-> I would start with the phpbb3 homepage
[18:16] <faulkes-> you can google that up fairly easily
[18:17] <faulkes-> phpbb has been around for quite awhile, so starting at the sites page is most likely to provide you with up to date information
[18:17] <Dimitree> ok thank you
[18:32] <jlong_> Hey guys I'm still new to Linux command lines, can I get Ubuntu Server up in a GUI?
[18:33] <jlong_> I don't really have a purpose for it yet just exploring the OS.  I was reading somewhere it might be best to just install ubuntuX instead if I wanted GUI
[18:33] <pepperjack> jlong_: for minimal gui i usually use server install then grab xserver-xorg and fluxbox
[18:34]  * pepperjack shrugs
[18:34] <faulkes-> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:34] <faulkes-> would probably be the simplest way
[18:35] <faulkes-> although the gui is not a garrauntee of making things easier ;)
[18:35] <jlong_> heh, yeah figures
[18:36] <jlong_> So with server would I be able to setup something like Active Directory or is it called something else?
[18:36] <faulkes-> 99% of the server stuff I do is all command line
[18:37] <faulkes-> ldap + samba
[18:37] <pepperjack> jlong_: ldap is... an adventure ive heard. ive not tackled it yet
[18:37] <faulkes-> would be the equivalent of an AD PDC
[19:12] <zul> there isnt and gconfd on the server is there?
[19:29] <mathiaz> zul: nope
[19:36] <tez> hello
[19:36] <mathiaz> hi tez
[19:36] <tez> I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu Server 7.10 because it stalls at "Trying to enable framebuffer..." installing it
[19:38] <faulkes-> mathiaz: see my emails when you have a moment
[19:38] <faulkes-> what type of fb and hardware?
[19:39] <tez> uhmm its just an old computer, some compaq something or other
[19:39] <tez> From the wiki: When installing your Ubuntu system, you can tell the Ubuntu installer not to use the framebuffer. How to do that is not covered in this wiki.
[19:39] <tez> I'm not sure how to do that
[19:40] <gcleric> tez: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[19:40] <faulkes-> iirc it's a boot option, sec
[19:42] <tez> okay.
[19:42] <tez> sorry bout that.
[19:42] <tez> I think I want vga=771 as that would be 800x600, 256colors
[19:42] <tez> correct?
[19:42] <faulkes-> that sounds reasonable
[19:42]  * faulkes- nods
[19:43] <tez> ok
[19:43] <tez> now it went Starting... Loading Linux Kernel, went to 100% then the 100% went away O_O
[19:44] <tez> perhaps I'll try 769
[19:45] <faulkes-> if it's old hardware, you may have to be patient for it to boot
[19:45] <tez> nope.
[19:45] <tez> okay
[19:45] <tez> now its asking for COLSxROWS
[19:46] <faulkes-> 80x25 is default iirc
[19:46] <tez> okay there.
[19:46] <tez> now its just a blinking _
[19:46] <faulkes-> describe "blinking"
[19:46] <faulkes-> oh, the cursor
[19:46] <tez> yeah lol
[19:47] <faulkes-> hrmmm, have some patience
[19:48] <tez> blah earlier when i had patience i spent a couple hours because of a problem where it just sat and was blinking just after grub loaded the kernel and there weren't any errors or anything
[19:48] <tez> maybe the kernel doesnt like this computer
[19:48] <faulkes-> without exact knowledge of what hardware is there, it's entirely possible
[19:49] <tez> hmm
[19:50] <gcleric> is the cd at least still spinning?
[19:50] <tez> lights not on :|
[19:50] <tez> no noticeable movements or sound
[19:51] <tez> ok i have the model of craputer.
[19:52] <tez> compaq presario 5003us.
[19:52] <tez> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/82014
[19:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 82014 in casper "can't start ubuntu or kubuntu from cd" [Undecided,Invalid]
[19:52] <tez> im not the only one
[19:54] <tez> gcleric, faulkes-, any ideas?
[19:55] <tez> it seems this computer isnt compatible with the kernel. both the install disc and current install [installed through VirtualBox onto the hard drive] hang loading the kernel with a blinking _ and nothing else
[19:56] <tez> ...
[19:56] <faulkes-> follow the bug link you listed and follow the advice for the f6 to remove quiet and splash and report what it says
[19:56] <faulkes-> it's entirely possible the cdrom doesn't like a burned cd
[19:56] <tez> it does.
[19:57] <tez> i pulled it out of a new desktop
[19:57] <tez> ok
[19:57] <gcleric> which version of Ubuntu are you installing?
[19:57] <gcleric> Server or Desktop?
[19:57] <tez> server
[19:57] <tez> which is why i'm in #ubuntu-server lol
[19:57] <gcleric> 7.10?
[19:57] <tez> yeah
[19:57] <tez> do I need to go lower?
[19:58] <gcleric> you can create a server from the desktop live cd..
[19:58] <faulkes-> again, follow the instructions on the second last post of the bug youlinked
[19:58] <tez> faulkes-: in the process of doing that
[19:58] <tez> ok
[19:58] <tez> blinking cursor.
[19:58] <tez> nothing.
[19:58] <tez> which is what it did after grub loaded on the hard drive
[19:59] <tez> \i'm trying to reinstall incase the virtual->native intstallation didnt work
[19:59] <tez> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=462688 shows that someone installed 7.04 on it successfully
[20:00] <tez> ok
[20:00] <faulkes-> that forum post is about envy and nvidia cards
[20:00] <tez> yeah
[20:01] <tez> but that means they got ubuntu installed
[20:01] <tez> but they're using 7.04
[20:01] <faulkes-> but how does it relate to your compaq?
[20:01] <tez> because I can't get the isntaller to work
[20:01] <tez> they obviously did
[20:01] <tez> so theres something new in 7.10 from 7.04 that is different
[20:03] <tez> i'm going to try 6.06lts
[20:05] <\sh> tez, how are you trying to install you 7.04/7.10? via IlO 2?
[20:05] <tez> iio?
[20:05] <\sh> ilo ;)
[20:06] <tez> oh lol
[20:06] <\sh> the remote insight board of the hps
[20:06] <tez> im not sure what you mean :S
[20:07] <\sh> tez, are you sitting in front of your server with a CD or are you trying to install it via the remote insight board?
[20:07] <tez> its not a serveh
[20:07] <tez> its just some old computah
[20:08] <tez> and sitting here with a cd
[20:08] <\sh> I see...I thought you are talking about hp/compaq servers
[20:09] <tez> nope, sorry
[20:09] <tez> lol i feel bad for anyone that has a compaq server
[20:09] <\sh> tez, why? it works :)
[20:09] <tez> idk, compaq sucks :p
[20:09] <tez> im not sure they make servers, aren't they all hp branded?
[20:10] <\sh> tez, compaq is only still valid for old hardware...the newer "compaqs" are all named "hp"..even the alpha ones ;)
[20:10] <tez> ohh okay.
[20:10] <tez> k well that computer isnt getting anywhere
[20:10] <tez> been loading for ahiwle now
[20:10] <tez> a while*
[20:11] <\sh> broken cd?
[20:11] <tez> nope
[20:11] <tez> the kernel doesn't like this computer at all
[20:11] <\sh> acpi=off apic=off?
[20:11] <tez> see i have an install on a partition on the hard drive thats flagged bootable, but past grub, it does the same thing as the installer does. nothing, exxcept sit with a blinking curser
[20:13] <tez> ok just tried taht
[20:13] <tez> stuck at blinking cursor, cdrom isnt flashing
[20:14] <\sh> while booting the install cd? I would say a broken cdrom, likely not burned <=10 speed...I have this problem always, when I do 52 speed burning with boot cds
[20:14] <tez> nope i've confirmed the cd boots
[20:14] <\sh> hard to debug when I don't sit in front of the bugger ;)
[20:14] <tez> especially since this problem also happens on the hard drive where ubuntu server is installed
[20:14] <tez> yeah :p
[20:15] <tez> see i installed ubuntu server to a partition on the hard drive through a virtual [really the raw] hard disk in VirtualBox and it works fine there
[20:16] <tez> anyway im going to install 6.06 see if that works because I know someone got 7.04 installed on the same computer
[20:17] <tez> well same model
[20:17]  * \sh thinks a strange kernel setting which can be disabled via grub/selinux boot
[20:17] <tez> nope. at least I don't think so
[20:19] <ivoks> problems?
[20:19] <tez> ivoks:  you're having problems
[20:19] <tez> ??
[20:19] <ivoks> never
[20:20] <tez> k then I don't know what you're talkng about :p
[20:20] <tez> anyway, I'm going to go piece together my desktop and i'll throw the server in the basement for the time
[20:50] <Dimitree> Any ubuntu Log Viewer/monitor for Apache ? i can't find one with the Add/Remove ?
[20:55] <macd> Dimitree, try tail, multitail
[20:56] <macd> so 'multitail -f /var/www/apache2/access.log /var/www/apache2/error.log'
[20:57] <ivoks> with ubuntu you get tail for free!
[20:57] <ivoks> :)
[20:58] <foo> :D
[20:58] <foo> heya ivoks
[20:58] <mathiaz> hello ivoks ! :)
[20:58] <ivoks> hi
[20:59] <ivoks> i have a solution for bacula problems
[20:59] <ivoks> i've worked on it with upstream
[21:00] <ivoks> we will just ship our make_catalog_backup script which will read database config from director config
[21:00] <ivoks> and... that's it
[21:00] <ivoks> no command line arguments except names of catalogs which are getting backed up
[21:01] <ivoks> downside is that i'll introduce new dependency for bacula
[21:01] <ivoks> python
[21:01] <ivoks> :D
[21:01] <ScottK> In Ubuntu, I think that's not a problem.
[21:01]  * pepperjack smacks ivoks
[21:01] <Dimitree> awesome macd  :) thank you
[21:02] <ivoks> hopefully, i'll upload changes tomorrow
[21:02] <ScottK> pepperjack: We like Python here.
[21:02] <ivoks> ScottK: we do, but introducing delta with debian isn't welcome :(
[21:03] <mathiaz> ivoks: have you contacted the Debian maintainer ?
[21:03] <ivoks> i've sent an email to dd
[21:03] <pepperjack> i will fight you all if i have to
[21:03] <ivoks> but he never responded :/
[21:03] <ScottK> True, but that was coming regardless.
[21:03] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok. It may take a while.
[21:03] <ivoks> mathiaz: i know; but we don't have time :)
[21:03] <ivoks> we have scheduled releases :D
[21:03] <mathiaz> ivoks: so you rewrote the make_catalog_backup script ?
[21:03] <ivoks> mathiaz: yes, in python
[21:04] <mathiaz> ivoks: that's an upstream script ?
[21:04] <ivoks> no
[21:04] <ivoks> upstream said it's ok and helped me with it, but they'll continue shipping old shell script for now
[21:04] <ivoks> i planed naming this script make_backap_catalog.py
[21:05] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok. And it wasn't possible to fix their script ?
[21:05] <ivoks> or something, just to to be clear this isn't the same script
[21:05] <leonel> mok0: will you do the dbmail  merge  ?
[21:05] <ivoks> we should ship both
[21:05] <ivoks> mathiaz: it is possible, but i'm not so much familliar with awk (and awk is the only solution for this)
[21:06] <ivoks> some really serious parsing is needed :/
[21:06] <mathiaz> ivoks: right. So this was needed to fix a CVE ?
[21:06] <ivoks> yes
[21:06] <ivoks> i think there's no point in CVE
[21:06] <mathiaz> ivoks: IIRC the configuration is well structured
[21:06] <ivoks> make_catalog_backup is just an example script
[21:07] <mathiaz> ivoks: or at least a security concerns
[21:07] <mathiaz> ivoks: something like password on the command line
[21:07] <ivoks> it's up to user to decide to use it or not...
[21:07] <ivoks> i know what's the problem
[21:07] <ivoks> i just don't think that example script deservs a CVE :D
[21:07] <mathiaz> ivoks: do you have a link to the debian bug ?
[21:08] <mathiaz> ivoks: correct. I'm not familiar with the actual bug.
[21:08] <ivoks><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:08] <ivoks> meh...
[21:08] <ivoks> mailing list
[21:09] <ivoks> hm
[21:10] <ivoks> debian has an interesting fix
[21:12] <ivoks> i don't know...
[21:13] <ivoks> i'll propose solution; which *isn't* backward compatible
[21:13] <ivoks> it can't be, cause atm, password is an argument
[21:15] <mathiaz> ivoks: right.
[21:15] <mathiaz> ivoks: you could add some code that checks if there is a third argument and warn the user if so
[21:15] <ivoks> this should be done during upgrade of package
[21:16] <mathiaz> ivoks: correct.
[21:16] <ivoks> cause some of the users don't check status of catalog backup
[21:16] <mathiaz> ivoks: is this just an issue with mysql ?
[21:16] <ivoks> no, it's also a postgre issue
[21:16] <ivoks> but my scripts solves both
[21:17] <mathiaz> ivoks: right - because you extract the information from the bacula configuration files.
[21:17] <mathiaz> IMHO it's the best way to do i.
[21:17] <ivoks> it basicaly parses configuration, creates my.cnf and connects to mysql with it
[21:17] <mathiaz> s/i/it/.
[21:17] <mathiaz> ivoks: do you have a reference to the discussion you had with upstream dev ?
[21:17] <ivoks> just emails
[21:18] <mathiaz> ivoks: private emails I guess.
[21:18] <ivoks> yes
[21:19] <ivoks> i'll talk with the dev about making a 'public statement' :)
[21:19] <ivoks> something like 'ubuntu rulez, they solved our long lasting CVE' :)
[21:19] <mathiaz> ivoks: well - I'd rather make sure they'd accept our patches.
[21:20] <ivoks> as i said, this is an example script
[21:20] <mathiaz> ivoks: that's why I'm not so sure about shipping a python script it upstream doesn't think it's a good idea
[21:20] <ivoks> it's like udev rules
[21:20]  * mathiaz install bacula-directory to understand this situation better
[21:20] <ivoks> we don't change a code
[21:21] <ivoks> you have a backup procedure which can run a job before backup
[21:21] <ivoks> so you could dump database to a file and then backup it
[21:21] <ivoks> i do that with oracle, mysql, etc...
[21:21] <mathiaz> ivoks: yes - I'm familiar with that.
[21:21] <ivoks> so, baculva provided a example script how to dump sqlite, mysql and pgsql
[21:22] <ivoks> where you provide a dbname, username and password
[21:22] <ivoks> people you this script to dump bacula's database
[21:22] <ivoks> which is silly
[21:22] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok.
[21:23] <ivoks> i don't know one would create special program to dump my_secret_db, but then not use the same program for bacula's db
[21:23] <ivoks> s/know one/know why someone/
[21:24] <ivoks> jesus, how many typos
[21:24] <ivoks> i should take typing lesons...
[21:24] <ivoks> or buy a bigger laptop, with normal keyboard :D
[21:27] <danp> hi. any word on when new kernels will be coming out for feisty/gutsy?
[21:28] <ivoks> :(
[21:28] <ivoks> we are probably to slow regarding this problem
[21:29] <danp> what's holding it up? anything i can do to help as far as testing?
[21:31] <ivoks> there's nothing to test
[21:31] <pepperjack> bah, you should trust your users anyway
[21:31] <ivoks> problem is a known thing and patched kernels are probably already buildin
[21:31] <mok0> leonel: yes
[21:36] <ivoks> bye
[21:44] <danp> hmm
[21:50] <faulkes-> pepper: you did not actually just suggest an admin trust a user did you ;)
[22:40] <Dimitree> wow O_O anyine seen "The hills have eyes" movie ? its just starting but it shows some shocking images lol o-o
[22:40] <ScottK> !ot > Dimitree
[22:41] <Dimitree> ???
[22:43] <ScottK> Movie reviews are a bit off topic for this channel.
[22:44] <Dimitree> ok i'm sorry
[22:44] <Dimitree> very strict rules around here : )
[22:57] <pike_> wait we do ontopic chat here?
[23:21] <jjesse> off topic can be found at #ubuntu-offtopic