[00:05] <materva> I am having a weird issue with mythbuntu 8.04 and a WinTV PVR-USB2 Capture device is anyone familure with this TV tuner?
[00:09] <materva> This is my issue, The card probes fine,  I set it as a MPEG2 capture device.  I can scan the channels fine and it finda all of the correct channels.  I can even pipe the output to an mgp file and that plays fine too.  The problem I am having is that I when I try to watch tv the screen turns black for 3 to 5 seconds then goes right back to the main menu
[00:10] <tgm4883_laptop> materva, can you pastebin your backend log?
[00:10] <tgm4883_laptop> !pastebin | materva
[00:10] <Zinn> materva: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/
[00:10] <materva>  !pastebin
[00:11] <tgm4883_laptop> err, no space at beginning, but the link is right there
[00:11] <materva> should i reconnect to the irc channel from the server I am on my laptop now
[00:12] <tgm4883_laptop> yea probably, it would be easier than having to write the link down every time you need to pastebin something
[00:13] <materva> I am new to all of this, where is te backlog?
[00:13] <tgm4883_laptop> /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[00:13] <materva> thanks
[00:21] <materva> brb
[00:30] <materva> ok sry had it install x-chat
[00:30] <materva> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m7c9f2465
[00:31] <hads> You don't have permission to write to your storage area. See lines 49-
[00:33] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[00:33] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo chown -r mythtv:mythtv /media/md0/mythtv
[00:34] <tgm4883_laptop> that should fix it
[00:34] <tgm4883_laptop> err
[00:34] <tgm4883_laptop> make that
[00:34] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo chown -R mythtv:mythtv /media/md0/mythtv
[00:34] <materva> i had set it for the user of the computer not the mytv user
[00:35] <materva> thanks that worked
[00:35] <rhpot1991> make sure the perms on it are 775
[00:36] <materva> that was it they were 755
[00:37] <materva> thanks a lot!
[00:37] <materva> bye
[00:49] <Egghead2> anyone know the xorg.conf command/option to enable both the monitor (db15) and s-video outputs on a nvidia 7202?
[00:52] <hads> Tried nvidia-settings?
[00:55] <Egghead2> yea, but i think it want to setup dual monitor, like a combined desktop
[02:58] <Cr3ol> @hads what is the nvidia-settings?
[03:01] <hads> Cr3ol: It's an application which lets you adjust your nvidia settings :)
[03:02] <Cr3ol> that is my next step... thanks
[03:02] <Cr3ol> im assuming you just run it?
[03:16] <Cr3ol> okay I do not get any response from my ati remote wonder. Any suggestions?
[10:30] <hads> Which file reads in lts.conf to set CONFIGURE_FSTAB? My grepping is failing me.
[10:31] <hads> I don't have a lts.conf (and my clients fstab is being overriden) but I see that it should have been setup by ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/030-mythbuntu
[11:19] <hads> Aha, getltscnf
[23:56] <daviem> hi there, is there any way to make autodetection of s-video displays persistent (ie not have to run "xrandr --output S-video --set load_detection 1")?


[00:03] <soldats> !sound | HipShot have you referd to these pages and methods for sound issues
[00:03] <ubotu> HipShot have you referd to these pages and methods for sound issues: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[00:03] <Angelus_> oh
[00:04] <soldats> HipShot: also what is your resolution problem
[00:04] <Angelus_> also HipShot, if you have one of those funky new intel boards
[00:04] <Angelus_> you might need to build alsa drivers from the alsa project page
[00:04] <HipShot> i doubt it, since I'm using an old gateway laptop with VIA drivers from like 2004/5
[00:04] <HipShot> and the resolution i'm using right now is the bare minium - 600 x 800
[00:05] <HipShot> I went and found the drivers I think I need, I downloaded them, but I don't know how to run them
[00:06] <soldats> HipShot: well for resolution you can run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose all the defaults then use the spacebar to select the resolution you want. also it may or may not have a saction for sound devices
[00:06] <HipShot> i tried that, and not even VESA works well with mine
[00:07] <HipShot> none of the options i tried gave me other options of resolution, and they took away the display
[00:07] <soldats> hmm that usuallymeans your  frequency refresh rates arent correct in your xorg.conf file
[00:07] <HipShot> hm?
[00:08] <soldats> can y ou google for the correct screen refresh rates for your laptop
[00:08] <soldats> make sure the correct model your looking  up
[00:09] <HipShot> well, couldn't I just run the video drivers I downloaded for this laptop?
[00:10] <soldats> yea but the right way to do it is to use thr restriced drivers manager for xubuntu
[00:10] <soldats> unless you did it that way
[00:11] <HipShot> Nay, i doubt it, i never touched the restricted drivers manager
[00:12] <HipShot> and i just touched it and it says i don't need any restricted dirvers
[00:12] <j1solutions> hello all
[00:13] <HipShot> i mean, eventually I'd like to learn how to install stuff manually anyway
[00:13] <march> goodnight :)
[00:13] <soldats> j1solutions: hello
[00:14] <soldats> HipShot: well did you read the forum pages i sent to you
[00:14] <j1solutions> i've been using ubuntu for a few years, I'm going to switch to xubuntu
[00:14] <j1solutions> seems faster on this laptop
[00:14] <j1solutions> and on my file server
[00:14] <HipShot> you mean, the ubotu?
[00:15] <j1solutions> ubotu?
[00:15] <soldats> HipShot: yes
[00:15] <HipShot> meanwhile, I'm trying to google the refresh rates for gateway mx3230 and i got nada so far
[00:15] <HipShot> nay....i'd like to get my video fix first then sound
[00:17] <greg57> So, is development continuing on Xubuntu or has a war erupted?
[00:17] <soldats> xubuntu is still going to produce livecds
[00:18] <greg57> Good. I'd hate to see it flounder.
[00:19] <greg57> It's the only distro I've found that my wife can use.
[00:20] <soldats> HipShot: since ubuntu and xubuntu are the same kernal and a lot alike you can also ask your questions in #ubuntu im not to good with the sound issue. but you can edit your xorg.conf manually and set your resolution there
[00:21] <HipShot> alright, i'll to edit my xorg manually
[00:22] <HipShot> um, but could you tell me how to install stuff as well?
[00:23] <HipShot> sorry, where's the xorg.conf located?
[00:23] <soldats>  its in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:23] <soldats> ive never seen the .run extension up close
[00:23] <soldats> i never paid attention
[00:23] <HipShot> ah, oh well, thanks anyway, i'm going to try edit the xorg.conf
[00:24] <soldats> be careful and remember to back it up first
[00:24] <greg57> HipShot, to be on the safe side you may want to back up xorg.conf before you edit it
[00:24] <soldats> but please try asking in #ubuntu
[00:25] <HipShot> how do I sudo edit?
[00:25] <greg57> HipShot, sudo nano /path/to/file
[00:25] <soldats> do in terminal "gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[00:26] <soldats> then enter your password
[00:26] <HipShot> thanks, and which part do I edit in the xorg file for resolution?
[00:27] <soldats> in the screen section i think. or the modes section you need to add the correct resolution in the right color depth. then restart X and use the desktop properties gui
[00:33] <greg57> Is it just me, or are there iso problems with xubuntu install disks?
[00:34] <greg57> The last time I tried an installation all it did was wipe the disk and seriously hose up grub.
[00:35] <blake__> hey guys
[00:35] <blake__> my name is nigger
[00:35] <greg57> That was the last alpha release of Gutsy. Have these issues been addressed?
[00:37] <HipShot> uh, I put in gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and password and nothing pops up
[00:37] <HipShot> do i jsut manually edit it now?
[00:38] <greg57> HipShot, did you open a terminal?
[00:38] <HipShot> yeah
[00:38] <soldats> the gedit app should have come up
[00:38] <HipShot> oh...nothing came up
[00:38] <greg57> try sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:39] <HipShot> uh, i gives me options like ctrl G for get help
[00:39] <HipShot> what do I do then?
[00:41] <greg57> HipShot, there's a curser you move around to edit the document. The ctl options at the bottom of the page have to do with saving, navigating and editing the document.
[00:42] <HipShot> uh,  so which option edits it, writeout?
[00:43] <soldats> yes do ctrl+o then ctrl+x
[00:43] <soldats> ctrl+o writes to the file and ctrl+x exits nano
[00:43] <HipShot> okay, can i now edit it?
[00:44] <greg57> HipShot, just move the curser to the place you want to edit and edit away.
[00:46] <HipShot> uh, this is all I see
[00:46] <HipShot> # xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
[00:46] <HipShot> #
[00:46] <HipShot> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
[00:46] <HipShot> # values from the debconf database.
[00:46] <HipShot> #
[00:46] <HipShot> # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.
[00:46] <HipShot> # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
[00:46] <HipShot> #
[00:46] <HipShot> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
[00:46] <Seveas> use a pastebin...
[00:46] <Seveas> !paste | HipShot
[00:46] <ubotu> HipShot: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[00:46] <jdong> Seveas: do you have a script that detects pastes or are you simply omnipresent?
[00:46] <Seveas> jdong, I read -ops :)
[00:46] <soldats> seaves is all knowing
[00:47] <soldats> s/seaves/seveas
[00:47] <soldats> sorry
[00:47] <jdong> Seveas: you could've sounded SO much cooler by just saying you're omnipresent :)
[00:47] <Seveas> jdong, I'm cool enough already
[00:48] <HipShot> er
[00:48] <HipShot> oh
[00:49] <HipShot> anyway, in the terminal there's nothing that resembles the xorg.conf files...it's like # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
[00:49] <HipShot> # values from the debconf database.
[00:50] <greg57> HipShot, yessir that is the xorg.conf file. You may want to read up on how to edit it before diving right in.
[00:51] <HipShot> oh gee...it didn't look like that in mousepad, i don't see any screen section. I'll google it
[00:52] <HipShot> oh boy, such a headache, but thanks guys
[00:53] <Gues1> how do I see my user info?
[00:54] <Gues1> NM
[01:01] <Angelus_> anyone know how to set the system bell? i can't find the setting in xubuntu
[01:05] <pochako> hi
[01:06] <pochako> someone speak spanish
[01:06] <pochako> ?
[01:06] <pochako> well, where is networks servers in xubuntu?
[01:07] <pochako> how can i see?? sorry for my bad inglish
[01:07] <soldats> Angelus_: in terminal do "locate pcspkr" it may be somewhere around there. i wouldnt know how to implement it in a java app though
[01:07] <Angelus_> okay
[01:08] <bad_cables> sup people?
[01:08] <Angelus_> hrm i only get header files
[01:08] <soldats> !es > pochako
[01:09] <pochako> do you spaak spanish soldats
[01:09] <pochako> ?
[01:09] <bad_cables> anyone know why when i set the password with mudpasswd for muddleftpd. i cant login due to a password error ? (Error 503)
[01:09] <Angelus_> the java app has already implemented a call to system bell which works in OSX, KDE, GNOME and WINDOWS XP
[01:09] <Angelus_> :(
[01:09] <pochako> do you speak spanish soldats
[01:09] <soldats> !hello | bad_cables
[01:09] <ubotu> bad_cables: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[01:09] <soldats> pochako: no.
[01:09] <Angelus_> its xubuntu that i have a problem with
[01:09] <Angelus_> it just calls whatever file that was set as the system bell
[01:10] <pochako> ok thanks
[01:10] <bad_cables> pochako: ubuntu-es
[01:10] <bad_cables> #
[01:11] <pochako> ok
[01:11] <pochako> ok
[01:11] <bad_cables> mi espanol is terrible ;)
[01:13] <soldats> Angelus_: strange, but seriously the people in #xfce might know better especially m8t
[01:13] <Angelus_> okies
[01:14] <greg57> So, is xubuntu (or Ubuntu for that matter) having iso problems with the install disks? I'd like to test, but I'm afraid of repeating the last botched attempt.
[01:14] <soldats> somerville is the most knowlegeable person i know but it seems he isnt here right now
[01:14] <soldats> greg57: if you burna a cd you can do a md5 checksum on it and make sure its ok
[01:14] <bad_cables> greg57: download the latest stable version (7.10) and you will be fine
[01:15] <soldats> i havent heard any problems with the iso's
[01:15] <bad_cables> greg57: dont download xubuntu betas... they really mean that they are for the beta testers and they have stuff inside that will explode...
[01:15] <pochako> I need help. how can a install a network xubuntu-windows and windows xubuntu
[01:15] <greg57> soldats, did that. Tested the cd all different ways, mounted athe cd and ran mdsum on that and it still failed
[01:15] <pochako> ?
[01:16] <bad_cables> pochako: ftp...
[01:16] <pochako> where is the panel servers networks
[01:16] <soldats> greg57: thats very strange
[01:17] <bad_cables> pochako: or go to the system menu[01:17] <soldats> greg57: possibly is the cdrom drive bad. that was my problem a few months ago
[01:17] <bad_cables> pochako: then install samba
[01:17] <pochako> ok
[01:17] <pochako> yes
[01:17] <pochako> im install samba
[01:17] <greg57> soldats, yeah very strange. i recently did a gentoo install and it went swimmingly
[01:17] <bad_cables> pochako: samba is what you need for shared folders, but some people used sshd ;)
[01:18] <pochako> how can use samba?
[01:18] <soldats> greg57: lol my cd drive was busted when i did my reinstall of gentoo. maybe look into it???
[01:18] <soldats> !gsamba
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gsamba - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <soldats> !samba
[01:18] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[01:19] <greg57> soldats, cd drives that are only busted when installing ubuntu?
[01:19] <bad_cables> doesnt samba also cooperate with other OS's?
[01:19] <bad_cables> just asking... but last time i set it up, it was a real bitch'
[01:20] <soldats> greg57: nope i meant mine busted. sorry. its really strange. what app are you using to burn the iso
[01:20] <bad_cables> muddle ftp login problems... anyone anyone?       ok... no.
[01:20] <soldats> bad_cables: i think it *may* coop with mac but i havent tried it in years
[01:21] <pochako> how can i see my folders in windows
[01:21] <pochako> for ubuntu and vicevers
[01:21] <bad_cables> pochako, you sound like you need a basic ftp
[01:21] <bad_cables> so you can just drop files for storage
[01:22] <bad_cables> that is easy, but it is very low security
[01:22] <soldats> in windows you should  have a home network setup so in ubuntu you need to connect to it
[01:22] <greg57> soldats, wodim as well as k3b, at slower burn speeds etc.
[01:23] <bad_cables> greg57: what?
[01:24] <soldats> are you sure its burning as an iso and not something else
[01:24] <pochako> im using ftp but, There is no other way to see my folders to interactively?
[01:24] <greg57> bad_cables,  soldats asked me which program i used to burn the iso's
[01:24] <bad_cables> cdrecord?
[01:24] <vidd> good [insert time of day here], can anyone assist with universally small fonts issue?
[01:24] <greg57> soldats, positive
[01:24] <soldats> !samba > pochako
[01:24] <soldats> it should explain there
[01:25] <bad_cables> pochako, samba is what you want
[01:26] <bad_cables> vidd: i have the same issue... its because we are getting old
[01:26] <greg57> bad_cables, i think k3b uses cdrecord, i also used wodim on the cli
[01:26] <pochako>
[01:26] <pochako> But as I create it, and install samba xubuntu but I do not see the folders windows and vice versa, or rather as I manage
[01:26] <vidd> yesterday, my fonts were "get within 3 feet"small....now they "nose to monitor" small
[01:26] <bad_cables> vidd: i thought it was because i was at 1366*768 so i didnt bitch...
[01:27] <bad_cables> hey... whats up with the amazingly small fonts in 7.10??
[01:27] <soldats> res^^
[01:27] <bad_cables> i cant see anything and i had to adjust every app
[01:27] <soldats> !swat | pochako
[01:27] <ubotu> pochako: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[01:28] <vidd> i set resolution to 800x600...didnt really help
[01:28] <bad_cables> LOL>
[01:28] <bad_cables> someone is greatly messing with us
[01:29] <soldats> fonts in what app
[01:29] <pochako> ok
[01:29] <vidd> everything
[01:29] <pochako> thank for all
[01:29] <bad_cables> soldats: fonts for the whole system
[01:30] <vidd> menus, desktop lables, xchat, firefox, gftp, you name it, it socks!
[01:30] <bad_cables> soldats: font size 8 to 14 is totaly unreadable
[01:30] <bad_cables> any app
[01:30] <soldats> hmm i havent had any issues with fonts and i have 1280x1024 res maybe it depends on the theme?
[01:30] <bad_cables> xubuntu 7.10
[01:30] <bad_cables> no, its definately not the theme
[01:30] <vidd> default theme,
[01:30] <soldats> strange
[01:30] <bad_cables> it installed that way
[01:30] <vidd> 800x600 and the next normal size up
[01:31] <bad_cables> there is a global scale factor that is set somewhere... you guys set it and we cant find it
[01:31] <vidd> 1024Xdomething
[01:31] <soldats> might be in display settings
[01:31] <vidd> and it happened in an update
[01:31] <bad_cables> maybee there is a global scale factor in some xfce config file? i dont know because i never use this
[01:32] <bad_cables> all i see in display settings are the resolutions and the gamma corrections
[01:32] <soldats> i havent used xfce in a few weeks so i cant really check that easy for you :(
[01:32] <bad_cables> well what the heck are you using?
[01:32] <bad_cables> lemmie try that
[01:33] <soldats> bad_cables: www.suckless.org/wiki/dwm
[01:34] <bad_cables> that looks like some crap that i will never install... some leet coder stuff
[01:34] <greg57> bad_cables, have you tried settings/user interface?
[01:35] <bad_cables> greg57: yeah loads of times
[01:35] <bad_cables> but it doesnt help all the fonts...
[01:35]  * vidd has even dropped screen resolution to 800x600 just so he can read chat
[01:36] <bad_cables> vidd: i had to change the chat font to 20
[01:36] <bad_cables> i installed dillo... which btw seems to not like ubuntu at all because the tabbed browing is totaly broken, but the font was so small i had to adjust that too
[01:37] <vidd> soldats, i dunno if i could use the dwm
[01:37] <soldats> well at least in firefox you can hold ctrl and roll the mouse wheel up or down to get bigger and smaller fonts
[01:38] <soldats> vidd: its amazing
[01:38] <vidd> that dont do anything for the address bar though
[01:38] <bad_cables> soldats: that firefox thing with the fontsize only works well with good machines =(
[01:38] <greg57> bad_cables, have a look at this... http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/09/howto-fix-xfce-fonts/
[01:38] <vidd> where is the panel?
[01:39] <bad_cables> you guys should just totaly take firefox out of Xubuntu anyways
[01:39] <bad_cables> nobody in this chan needs it
[01:40] <soldats> i only use it for flash. im too lazy to add the flash to opera
[01:40] <bad_cables> and if they are curious to see what the rest of the world sees, then they can synaptic it or whatever
[01:40] <bad_cables> last time i used opera was in beos and it was slower than firefox, which ran like crap on that system
[01:41] <bad_cables> but that was a long time ago
[01:41] <soldats> hmm well its a super computer comppared to firefox in ubuntu and gentoo
[01:41] <bad_cables> oh, i see
[01:41] <bad_cables> and no flash?
[01:41] <bad_cables> a shame
[01:41] <vidd> i hear they putting a torrent thing into the default configuration next release
[01:42] <vidd> but still no ftp client
[01:42] <greg57> opera does run much faster in gentoo. yeah shame about flash
[01:43] <soldats> well flash in opera works you just need to modify the settings
[01:43] <soldats> i dont feel like doing it
[01:43] <greg57> soldats, i modified for two hours one night and just said to hell with it
[01:44] <soldats> in ubuntu.com in the community there is a section for it
[01:44] <vidd> i thought opera was not open sourse
[01:45] <deeps> you can use closed source applications in an open source system
[01:45] <greg57> figured firefox wasn't as slow as i thought it was
[01:46] <vidd> deeps, thats like installing windows on a MAC
[01:46] <soldats> opera isnt open source but it is free. and the adobe flash does work for it
[01:46] <deeps> vidd: not quite
[01:46] <vidd> i only do it if i have no choice
[01:47] <soldats> mac is still half closed source
[01:47] <deeps> open source doesn't mean better
[01:47] <vidd> really?
[01:47] <deeps> really, open office is a good example of that
[01:47] <deeps> although not if you compare to MS office 2007 i guess, heh
[01:48] <soldats> so that wordpress page posted should be the answer to the font issue
[01:48] <vidd> thats strange....open office is 500% better then the closed source alternatives
[01:48] <greg57> worked for me
[01:48] <vidd> OH! and you KNOW it isnt doing anything honky behiond your back
[01:49] <deeps> well i'm glad it works for you at least
[01:49] <deeps> whatever makes you happy at the end of the day is the most important thing for you :)
[01:49] <soldats> it doesnt matter that fact that its open source means you can view the source and *make* sure it isnt doing anything begind your back
[01:50] <vidd> soldats, point taken
[01:50] <deeps> and 10 days after you've done that, i've finished the work i needed to do and gotten a bonus ;)
[01:50] <greg57> ok deeps, live with your little-bitty fonts.
[01:51] <deeps> ?
[01:51] <vidd> well...you need that bonus to pay the MS tax!
[01:55] <vidd> well...ill be back...have to test to see if my fonts are fixed
[01:55] <soldats> vidd: i hope they work :)
[01:59] <soldats> lol for my crappy system DWM works the fastest so ill stick with it
[02:00] <Angelus_> ...
[02:00] <Angelus_> xset b on killed my sound
[02:00] <Angelus_> my system is allergic to default bells
[02:01] <soldats> i think xset b on temorarily removes the pcspkr module?
[02:02] <Angelus_> ugh
[02:02] <Angelus_> now i have "the audio device is busy. Is another application using it?" error
[02:07] <greg57> Angelus_ have you looked at alsamixer? Perhaps the speaker is muted.
[02:08] <Angelus_> alsamixer has disappeared
[02:08] <Angelus_> ...
[02:08] <Angelus_> i just ran alsaconf again
[02:08] <Angelus_> but no joy
[02:08] <Angelus_> gaah
[02:08] <Angelus_> this is a major pain in the butt
[02:09] <soldats> close anything alsa may be using if that doesnt help you can modprobe it or just restart X
[02:09] <Angelus_> i did 2 reboots
[02:09] <Angelus_> no joy
[02:09] <Angelus_> uugh
[02:10] <Angelus_> i'm gonna smash something now
[02:10] <Angelus_> stupid xset
[02:11] <Angelus_> please dont tell me i have to rebuild alsa
[02:11] <bad_cables> man, you guys messed up my display
[02:12] <bad_cables> now everything is 800*600 and some things are still too small to be seen
[02:12] <bad_cables> =/
[02:14] <soldats> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg should auto create a new xorg.conf file to fix it. it might fix the fonts. try choosing the correct res in desktop settings or edit the xorg manually
[02:17] <bad_cables> Package `xserver-org' is not installed and no info is available
[02:17] <bad_cables> man, now you are reminding me why i always hated linux
[02:18] <soldats> its xserver-xorg
[02:18] <soldats> not org
[02:20] <Angelus_> OMG I had to rebuild Alsa
[02:21] <Angelus_> stupid xset
[02:21] <Angelus_> *SMACK*
[02:22] <soldats> Angelus_: who told you to do that
[02:22] <bad_cables> you know what...
[02:22] <Angelus_> soldats: you mean xset?
[02:22] <soldats> Angelus_: xset b +100     ?
[02:22] <bad_cables> im going to try hiaku
[02:23] <bad_cables> linux sucks
[02:23] <bad_cables> really bad
[02:23] <Angelus_> soldats: http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/l19/lesson19k.html
[02:23] <echosystm`> linux does not suck bad_cables
[02:23] <bad_cables> yes it does
[02:23] <echosystm`> you just dont know how to use it
[02:23] <echosystm`> and you are using it for the wrong purposes
[02:24] <bad_cables> you know what... im not here to argue
[02:24] <echosystm`> dont speak in generalisations like this, it makes you sound ignorant
[02:24] <bad_cables> i am ignorant
[02:24] <echosystm`> i know.
[02:24] <bad_cables> and i always will be
[02:24] <echosystm`> so dont use linux
[02:24] <bad_cables> no problem
[02:24] <echosystm`> you will be more happy in windows
[02:24] <bad_cables> i dont want to have to read 500 pages every time i need to configure a setting
[02:25] <echosystm`> then use windows
[02:25] <vidd> bad_cables, i tried to "fix" my issue with the sites suggested....
[02:25] <bad_cables> you guys dont do anything besides somputers
[02:25] <soldats> linux is a DIY OS
[02:25] <echosystm`> this is a reality of linux, it is not for everyone
[02:25] <Angelus_> bad_cables: this is the xubuntu channel so this may be out of line, but if you're having problems with hardware, generally the best thing to do is try other distros
[02:25] <bad_cables> your life revolves arround this shit
[02:25] <echosystm`> infact, i would say linux is horrible for desktop users
[02:25] <echosystm`> i only use it on servers
[02:25] <Angelus_> bad_cables: i tried 4 distros before i found xubuntu that did most of wanted out of the box
[02:25] <vidd> and now im stuck with only 800x600 AND the small fonts!
[02:26] <bad_cables> fight the power vidd
[02:26] <bad_cables> these guys dont have anywhere to be monday morning at 15 to 6
[02:26] <Angelus_> bad_cables: hardware detection and installation wise anyway. for me xunbuntu got almost everything right except for sound
[02:27] <bad_cables> you know what, back in the day all that hardware stuff wasnt even a problem
[02:27] <echosystm`> i think pclinuxos is the better distro for nublets
[02:27] <bad_cables> you know what... beos was a better distro
[02:27] <echosystm`> due to more relaxed licenses etc.
[02:27] <bad_cables> but the corporate creeps said no
[02:27] <bad_cables> now we have the supergeek creeps who say yes, but you should have to read 4 books every day
[02:27] <Angelus_> bad_cables: try mandriva and openSUSE.
[02:28] <bad_cables> you know what... i have tried everything for years
[02:28] <bad_cables> same as you'
[02:28] <echosystm`> pclinuxos is better than those Angelus_
[02:28] <Angelus_> bad_cables: openSUSE has pretty good display configuration out of the box
[02:28] <bad_cables> and im sick of it
[02:28] <bad_cables> '/
[02:28] <echosystm`> i think it has better driver support than any other distro
[02:28] <echosystm`> (all imo, of course)
[02:28] <Angelus_> echosystm`: i havent tried PClinuxOS so i can't say
[02:28] <Angelus_> its on my list though
[02:29] <soldats> if your fonts went bad as an update then try reinstalling and and see if its the same. if not try to reproduce the problem by updating again. if it persists report a bug. the only way thing in linux ge fixed is by the *community* helping and giving input
[02:29] <bad_cables> this whole thing was because xubuntu was the only distro that i could get the ndis wrapper to work with my system, but then i had to deal with some crappy built in netmanager...
[02:29] <bad_cables> i will just use a cable
[02:30] <bad_cables> forget it... move the box
[02:30] <bad_cables> too much broken stuff in ubuntu
[02:30] <vidd> bad_cables, what network card you using?
[02:31] <bad_cables> Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
[02:31] <bad_cables> \
[02:31] <bad_cables> i mean, i have to host
[02:31] <bad_cables> i dont have a choice
[02:31] <bad_cables> there is nobody who will host me with more than 2 gigs at their crappy download limits
[02:31] <bad_cables> because i serve musioc
[02:31] <bad_cables> so i am stuck
[02:32] <bad_cables> if i want my mp3's on the net i have to use a home server
[02:32] <vidd> strange...i thaought the rt61 was built into the kernel=/
[02:32] <bad_cables> it is
[02:32] <bad_cables> but it is unstable
[02:32] <echosystm`> get an atheros card like everyone else?
[02:32] <echosystm`> i have no problems with mine
[02:32] <bad_cables> i will just run a cable
[02:32] <echosystm`> and it was like $10
[02:32] <bad_cables> and use damnsmall
[02:33] <vidd> if your running a home server to the world, you dont really want to use wireless anyway
[02:33] <echosystm`> true
[02:33] <bad_cables> well there you go
[02:34] <vidd> its not like the comps going to be moved around the house all the time
[02:34] <bad_cables> actually it is
[02:34] <echosystm`> ive never had a stable wireless connection, regardless of distance from the AP
[02:34] <bad_cables> because i have to vacuum and all that
[02:34] <echosystm`> youre always going to get occassional dropouts
[02:34] <bad_cables> well i havent had one here yet
[02:34] <echosystm`> you havent noticed it yet ;)
[02:34] <bad_cables> ok, back to the cable
[02:34] <vidd> hehe
[02:35] <echosystm`> when youre running a box 24/7, small things suddenly become big
[02:35] <bad_cables> but that still doesnt fix my font problem ,my ftp login problem, the fact that i can only run monkey from mannuall doubleclicking the icon, and the startup doesnt work...
[02:35] <bad_cables> too many problems
[02:36] <bad_cables> im not expecting you to fix it, its just that... all these smart guys think that all the guts and details need to hang out
[02:36] <vidd> is this computer used for anything besides dishing out songs to the world?
[02:37] <bad_cables> web browsing when my laptop breaks down
[02:37] <bad_cables> once a month
[02:37] <bad_cables> yeah, i know... it shouldnt even run x
[02:37] <vidd> im not saying that at all
[02:38] <bad_cables> you know, that was the problem with beos... the reason the server was always going down was because i was using the music apps and crashing the system
[02:38] <vidd> so we both stuck with the font issue....for now
[02:39] <vidd> what issue you having with ftp?
[02:39] <bad_cables> i installed muddleftp, and it said something about mudpasswd...
[02:39] <bad_cables> so i did it
[02:39] <bad_cables> but then nothing i logged in with worked
[02:39] <bad_cables> i dont kno, there's not alot of documentation for that app
[02:39] <bad_cables> and didnt want to go back to proftp because its just too complicated
[02:40] <vidd> is it an ftp client or server?
[02:40] <bad_cables> i never use ftp for public login
[02:40] <bad_cables> muddleftpd is a server
[02:40] <bad_cables> supposedly it is standard for ubuntu
[02:40] <vidd> oh...didnt see a "d" on the name....
[02:40] <bad_cables> according to some forum post
[02:40] <vidd> there is no ftp "standard" for ubuntu
[02:40] <bad_cables> i dont want to install CIF shares in windows let alone unix
[02:41] <bad_cables> windows to windows connections dont always work with that stuff
[02:41] <bad_cables> you know what i should do... i should just reinstall this with xitami
[02:42] <bad_cables> there is a source package for xitami right?
[02:42] <vidd> proftpd is not really all that hard....
[02:42] <bad_cables> the only good thing about this distro is that chibitracker installed
[02:42] <vidd> dunno what xitami is =\
[02:43] <bad_cables> xitami is a webserver that i use sometimes
[02:43] <bad_cables> its ok, but one day i tried to install PHP and i gave up on it
[02:43] <bad_cables> but i dont code in PHP anyways
[02:43] <bad_cables> thats why DSL was the best... no install nothin
[02:44] <bad_cables> just dsl controll panel and single click
[02:44] <vidd> it only takes me like 10 minutes to set up proftpd
[02:44] <vidd> and thats between answering phone calls and/or chasing the kid away from my workstation
[02:45] <vidd> what all do you need your ftpd to do?
[02:45] <bad_cables> dump index.htm and misc mp3's to the htdoc folder
[02:46] <vidd> only you going to use it>?
[02:46] <bad_cables> behind the NAT
[02:46] <bad_cables> yeah behind the firewall, no open port on 21
[02:46] <bad_cables>   which is why i didnt go with proftpd, i just wanted something simple
[02:47] <bad_cables> remember that beos has one built in
[02:47] <bad_cables> although they switched the net stack in zeta, there was still the simple checkbox gui
[02:48] <vidd> so you simply install a default proftpd, set the listen port niumber, specify a sane range of data transfer ports, open those ports on the firewall....3 minutes max
[02:49] <bad_cables> well, then i need to dump muddleftpd and go with proftpd
[02:49] <bad_cables> then, for that matter i might as well re-install and do the whole webserver package
[02:50] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove --purge muddleftpd
[02:50] <vidd> that works too
[02:50] <vidd> =]
[02:50] <bad_cables> im just depressed because im still not up...
[02:51] <bad_cables> someone emailed me and bought 3 copies of a CD complaining that the las tune from the mp3 album he couldnt DL
[02:51] <bad_cables> sucks
[02:52] <vidd> your ftpd has no control over him running out of space
[02:53] <bad_cables> yeah but my site hasnt been up for a while
[02:53] <vidd> if the issue was on your end, he would not have been able to dl anything
[02:53] <bad_cables> exactly
[02:54] <vidd> heh...if i had ssh access, i could brobably have you runnig in less then 3 hours
[02:54] <bad_cables> vidd: did you see this: http://xubuntulinux.blogspot.com/2006/07/ubuntu-set-correct-dpi-for-x-server.html  ?
[02:54] <vidd> yeah...it blew up bad
[02:54] <bad_cables> mine too
[02:54] <bad_cables> im at 8008600
[02:54] <bad_cables> 800*600
[02:55] <vidd> now i cant get out of 800x600 and STILL have small fonts
[02:55] <bad_cables> yeah me too
[02:55] <vidd> at leat b4 with 800x600 i could read!
[02:55] <bad_cables> some fonts were fixed, i can tell because now they are really bib
[02:55] <bad_cables> big
[02:56] <vidd> VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP (rev 01)
[02:56] <vidd> whhops...wrong window
[02:56] <bad_cables> Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/i1 (rev 6a)
[03:02] <vidd> sweet...there is a binary driver
[03:33] <vidd> ok...i got my display adaptor fixed....
[03:34] <vidd> fonts are still tiny, but im back to 1024x768
[03:36] <vidd> Is it possible that this setting is NOT in the xorg.config file?
[04:10] <Buntfu> anyone know why we can't joing ubuntu?
[04:10] <Buntfu> ?
[04:10] <Buntfu> anyone here?
[04:11] <vidd> i got into #ubuntu no problem
[04:12] <soldats> Buntfu: do you any redirects or errors
[06:54] <barurot69> hey guys, is my laptop supported? it's an intel pentium 3 750mhz CPU and a 192MB RAM?
[07:02] <Buntfu> does #ubuntu have some sort of webchat block on it?
[07:30] <blunted> Hey there my sound card isn't working under xubuntu.  It's a Visi Qsound. Thunderbird 128. (x wave)  I can't find helpful google results.
[10:37] <Epicenter> What is a good application I can install to manage my wireless card/wired network adapter, and select APs, set my IP, DNS, turn on/off DHCP, etc?
[10:49] <Epicenter> Hello! What is a good application I can install to manage my wireless card/wired network adapter, and select APs, set my IP, DNS, turn on/off DHCP, etc? Thank you! (p.s. it would be best if it had a GUI..)
[11:04] <TheSheep> Epicenter: nm-applet
[11:29] <tich> hi.  i am looking for some advice about a media player, the samsung yepp yp-p2.  it doesn't advertise being linux compatible but i hear that most players are.  here is the specs page:  http://www.samsung.com/my/products/audio/mp3player/yp_p2ab.asp?page=Specifications
[11:30] <tich> if someone has a couple spare moments to look it over and tell me if you think it will work or not i would super appreciate it.
[11:32] <tich> i can't seem to find anything on google that says much about this specific player one way or the other.
[11:43] <tich> i noticed that it does support ogg files and one of the other samsung player's firmware is based on linux...
[11:44] <tich> and i think that for music anyhow it does support drag and drop but i am uncertain if the yepp supports it for video too.
[12:00] <deeps> tich: http://www.google.com/search?q=YP-P2+linux&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[12:00] <deeps> look like there's a bunch of uesfulk tsuff there
[12:00] <deeps> urg
[12:00] <deeps> looks like there's a bunch of useful stuff there
[12:05] <tich> deeps: great i will check that out right now!!
[12:06] <deeps> your google-fu needs much work, young one :)
[12:06] <tich> yeah, i used the full name of the device.  it looks like no one else does that!!
[12:09] <tich> this looks perfect, i need the korean firmware and i happen to be in korea.
[12:10] <tich> so i imagine that should be really easy.
[12:10] <deeps> lol
[12:10] <deeps> safe
[12:16] <Epicenter> Hello! What is a good application I can install to manage my wireless card/wired network adapter, and select APs, set my IP, DNS, turn on/off DHCP, etc? Thank you! (p.s. it would be best if it had a GUI..) I tried WICD but it doesn't seem to play nice with non-Gnome/KDE/XFCE desktop managers.
[12:17] <TheSheep> Epicenter: network manager
[12:18] <Epicenter> TheSheep: How do I run it from a regular X session?
[12:18] <Epicenter> I am using EDE as my w.manager
[12:18] <TheSheep> Epicenter: nm-applet
[12:18] <Epicenter> so I need something very generic and independent of any particular desktop environment..
[12:18] <TheSheep> it's a gnome app
[12:19] <TheSheep> it depends on gnome-keyring
[12:19] <Epicenter> So it won't work in EDE happily?
[12:19] <TheSheep> why, it will, it will just install the things it depends on
[12:19] <Epicenter> ah.
[12:19] <Epicenter> can I call it without having a tray app in gnome?
[12:19] <Epicenter> I just want to make a shortcut to it on my desktop and open its GUI as needed
[12:20] <TheSheep> systemtray was standarized some time ago
[12:20] <Epicenter> I'm not sure EDE supports it though
[12:20] <TheSheep> I know ther are some other tools, like wifiradar
[12:21] <TheSheep> but I never used them
[12:21] <Epicenter> can I manually download it somewhere? I can't connect to a network at the moment
[12:22] <TheSheep> packages.ubuntu.com
[12:23] <Epicenter> don't see any download links on the page for each package
[12:23] <Epicenter> except for each file IN the .deb archive
[12:23] <TheSheep> you click on the architecture
[12:24] <TheSheep> and then on the host from which you want to download it
[12:24] <Epicenter> ahh
[12:24] <Epicenter> Thanks
[12:26] <Epicenter> I connected a USB CDROM and it was detected. I'll probably load packages from there. How can I tell what /dev/ file it was assigned?
[12:28] <TheSheep> no idea, check /proc/bus/usb maybe
[12:28] <Epicenter> how would I 'check' it?
[12:28] <Epicenter> open it in something like vi?
[12:29] <Epicenter> it's just a bunch of folders with names like 001 with files inside like 001 or 002
[12:29] <Epicenter> doesn't give me much info
[12:30] <Epicenter> turns out it's 'cdrom1'.
[12:30] <TheSheep> these are the info files about various usb devices
[12:33] <Epicenter> man is synaptic sluggish.
[12:38] <Epicenter> TheSheep: OK. So network-manager is installed, and is autoconfiguring my devices. How do I call up a GUI to do manual config?
[12:39] <TheSheep> I usually right-click on the systray icon :/
[12:40] <Epicenter> There is none...
[12:40] <Epicenter> I'm using EDE, not Gnome, KDE or XFCE
[12:41] <TheSheep> I have no idea how to invoke it then :(
[12:41] <Epicenter> aw, christ...
[12:41] <Epicenter> Is there another app you'd recommend instead?
[12:41] <tich> deeps: thanks for finding those links.  (i am calling them links to save some face)  i will wander down to the samsung store and pick one up tomorrow.
[12:44] <thruxton> Epicenter: http://wifi-radar.systemimager.org/ ive heard good things about wifi radar, i havent used it though
[12:44] <Epicenter> Can I use it to manually configure my wired interface too?
[12:45] <thruxton> it appears so
[12:45] <Epicenter> Thank you :)
[12:46] <Epicenter> This is a bigger question and I can't seem to find a solution. As noted in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion/+bug/136853 ... if the system is idle or you close the lid too long, the screen goes blank and there is no way to get it back except to reset the machine. It hasn't crashed, it's just a blank display. Does anyone have an idea for fixing it? Thank you!
[12:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136853 in xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion "[Gutsy] multiple regressions since Feisty" [High,Confirmed]
[12:57] <Epicenter> I guess I'm screwed. It looks like no one is working on this.  This bug indicates the only way to fix an extremely serious problem is to downgrade...
[13:38] <Epicenter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion/+bug/136853
[13:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136853 in xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion "[Gutsy] multiple regressions since Feisty" [High,Confirmed]
[14:47] <acidburn> hello there good day
[14:48] <acidburn> got many questions.. anyone?
[14:48] <acidburn> how to install c compiler?
[14:49] <acidburn> coz am trying to install beryl and having problem with c compiler
[14:49] <acidburn> anyone?
[14:49] <acidburn> :9
[14:50] <acidburn> i think no OL
[14:52] <acidburn> knock knock
[15:11] <howdoudo> Morning all from Pennsylvania USA.
[15:11] <howdoudo> I can not figure out how to edit the Applications Menu.
[15:12] <howdoudo> When I right click the Applications menu and select edit menu I get a basically empty menu list ut I have about 50+ icons in the actual drop down.
[15:18] <TheSheep> howdoudo: yes, these icons are added to your menu with that 'include' statement
[15:18] <TheSheep> howdoudo: they are generated atomatically from the installed applications, so that when you install or remove something, it keeps up to date
[15:19] <TheSheep> howdoudo: but you can still add your own entries or override the existing ones -- just put them before the include
[17:02] <alien__> hi all
[20:08] <D4vid> hello, im in need of some urgent xubuntu help
[20:08] <D4vid> i just installed and it went fine, but then i updated it and rebooted and now the screen turns off itself after the login screen
[20:09] <D4vid> i think i might've changed the resolution or something
[20:09] <D4vid> please help me
[20:13] <D4vid> someone?
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[20:14] <D4vid> eteran ubuntulog crimsun essy
[20:15] <manchicken> D4vid: Wuddup?
[20:15] <nalioth> rudeness gains you nothing
[20:15] <tuna> D4vid: can you access a serial console?
[20:15] <tuna> (ctrl+alt+f1)
[20:16] <leche> this is really importionate
[20:16]  * manchicken didn't even see the question.
[20:19] <silent> i killed my panels and I cant open the panel manager, how do I get panels back?
[20:20] <soldats> xfce4-panel in a terminal the save settings then restartx X
[20:20] <D4vid> thankyou
[20:21] <soldats> silent: ^^
[20:21] <D4vid> how can i change my resolution and framrate in a terminal?
[20:21] <D4vid> didnt find anything in the xorg.conf file
[20:22] <soldats> in the mode section
[20:25] <D4vid> ok
[20:26] <D4vid> soldats, my screen turns off itself after i login
[20:26] <D4vid> it happened after a reboot
[20:26] <D4vid> after i updated the system
[20:28] <DaleH1985> need some help...my wife got my resolution set to 640x480, and i can't get it changed back to 1024x768
[20:28] <D4vid> soldats, and there is no modes section
[20:31] <D4vid> Ok anyone could help me with this: IS there a way to reset ALL settings in xubuntu
[20:32] <soldats> D4vid: run this comand and try a reboot "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" in terminal
[20:32] <soldats> but i dont know if your problem is related to refresh rate ot res problems
[20:33] <DaleH1985> is there any way to change resolution settings?
[20:35] <soldats> DaleH1985: i gotta get food real quick i feel sick. ill be back in a bit. if your willing to wait
[20:35] <DaleH1985> alright
[20:36] <soldats> DaleH1985: for a quick test do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and use spacebar to select the correct resolutions. use defaults for everything else and be careful. and no its not than same *exact* i said earlier
[20:36] <soldats> brb
[20:40] <D4vid> soldats, Thankyou very much!
[20:40] <D4vid> it works now
[20:51] <soldats> D4vid: well thats good.
[20:55] <Ven]n> whats the best application launcher in linux?
[20:56] <soldats> the terminal
[20:56] <nikolam> what linux - xubuntu?
[20:57] <nikolam> you have launcher applet for xfce in xubuntu
[20:58] <Ven]n> called?
[20:58] <Ven]n> soldats, is there a way to start applications through terminal without the terminal being "stuck" to the program?
[20:59] <soldats> Ven]n: sudo <command> &     <-- the & mean run in backround so you cxan still use the terminal
[20:59] <Ven]n> oh, goodie, thanks
[21:02] <Ven]n> will use that when i have a terminal open
[21:02] <Ven]n> but im thinking something like quicksilver for mac
[21:02] <Ven]n> will try launchy
[21:10] <Ven]n> nikolam, whats the launcher applet called?
[21:21] <demreath> I need a little help. Can you tell where can I set permission for rebooting system, halting it (etc) from XFCE menu? I've set up headless machine with VNC access (with XFCE) and now every unpriviliged user can turn off my machine!
[21:21] <demreath> Unpriviliged == not belonging to any group but "users" (100)
[21:37] <Ven]n> any suggestions for an application launcher like this? http://www.marengo-ltd.com/mercury/
[21:49] <PickledOnion> hi.  i want to install xubuntu to a apple g3, how do i get the apple g3 to boot from the cdrom?
[21:52] <demreath> PickledOnion: hold C on your keyboard when you power it on
[21:55] <ahave> hello room
[21:56] <ahave> i am having trouble finding my wifi chipset with lspci
[21:56] <ahave> i have not network controllers that come up
[22:17] <march> goodnight
[22:36] <PickledOnion> demreath: thx, that worked
[22:38] <whabo> hello?
[22:39] <whabo> okay i have a PII 333MHZ with 128 MBS or RAM computer... and i would love to install xubuntu on it .. however can i use the regular download .. or should i use the Alternative CD ?
[22:39] <whabo> please help anyone?
[22:39] <TheSheep> whabo: use alternate, livecd won't work with 128MB ram
[22:40] <whabo> Thesheep is it as easy to install using the alternative? or do i have to type in command lines???
[22:41] <whabo> ??
[22:41] <TheSheep> whabo: you have normal menus
[22:41] <whabo> oh okay thank you.
[22:41] <TheSheep> whabo: just in text mode
[22:41] <whabo> thanks
[22:50] <DaleH1985> How do I change my screen resolution?
[22:52] <TheSheep> DaleH1985: settings->display settings
[22:54] <DaleH1985> ok, the only option i get in there is gamma correction, and the only resolution i have is default, which for some reason is set at 640x480 right now
[22:56] <DaleH1985> so, is there any other way to set a different resolution?
[22:58] <TheSheep> DaleH1985: for some reason other resolutions are not available
[22:58] <TheSheep> DaleH1985: maybe your monitor or card are not detected properly
[22:59] <DaleH1985> well, i was running at like 1240x720, or somethin like that....it just screwed up today when my monitor came unplugged
[22:59] <DaleH1985> maybe i should just restart my system
[23:44] <b52deb_> hi
[23:45] <b52deb_> ppl someone could help me with this http://pastebin.com/m79cf3367
[23:49] <MacAnthony> any one around to help with an xdmcp client issue?
[23:49] <MacAnthony> specifically, setting it up


[00:59] <ahoneybun> hey jose how is the new site going?
[00:59] <jose> ahoneybun: hey! I pretty much like it, it's very stable, but we've still got some things to look after
[01:00] <ahoneybun> jose, I see ovidiu-florin is looking to edit it even more with html/css with the help of the evolve theme team who made the theme
[01:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: Both accepted.  Thanks.
[01:01] <jose> ahoneybun: not sure how that's going to go, haven't heard from him in a good while
[01:01] <jose> but I can help with whatever needed, just let me know :)
[01:03] <ahoneybun> tbh I have been out for a while as well I'm on Ubuntu right now
[01:05] <jose> I've always been on Ubuntu :P
[01:41] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1317115] language kcm doesn't write env setup script @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1317115 (by Tim Edwards)
[06:16] <soee> good morning
[06:22] <Riddell> morning soee
[07:29] <Riddell> ScottK: it's not been decided if we'll ship with plasma 1 or plasma 5, I'd be all for shipping with plasma 5 if it's at all sane
[07:47] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:51] <Riddell> it's olivier!
[07:51] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing?
[07:52] <Riddell> nervous, got a plasma beta due today, wonder if I can do it successfully
[07:53] <Riddell> just some little tars, how hard can it be?
[07:53] <lordievader> I'm sure you will be successful :)
[07:54] <lordievader> I mean look at Trusty, that right there is proof that you and the rest of the Kubuntu team are capable of awesome!
[08:37] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1312895] Cannot login into KDE after upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312895 (by HugoHirsch)
[08:44] <lordievader> maysara in #kubuntu has trouble installing ufw-kde, he/she gets this error: http://paste.kde.org/pkhwmkwsb Is that a packageging issue or is it his/her system?
[08:51] <apachelogger> lordievader: system, they have a ufw-kde version from a foreign source apparently
[08:51] <lordievader> Ok, I'll pass it along.
[08:52] <Quintasan> \o
[08:52] <Riddell> "trying to overwrite '/usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.kde.ufw.policy', which is also in package build 20140504-1" looks like something they've installed
[08:53] <Riddell> lordievader: if they run dpkg -S /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.kde.ufw.policy they might find out what it is
[08:53] <Riddell> or they can just force the matter with  dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/ufw-kde_0.5.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[08:58] <lordievader> Problem solved, thanks apachelogger, Riddell.
[09:37] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[09:37] <ovidiu-florin> jose: the progress with the theme should be on the mail list.
[09:37] <ovidiu-florin> I've been colaboratig with Robert in getting the child theme going
[09:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: "Two existing ~kubuntu-developer members need to vouge for the candidates abilities to conclude the application process"
[09:41]  * shadeslayer fixes to vouch
[09:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's a wiki
[09:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: le fixed mate
[09:43] <apachelogger> nice
[10:13] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: this might trike as an odd question, in your "new wiki" email, what was the first word you wrote?
[10:15] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: french greeting ~= hi
[10:15] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: salut ?
[10:17] <ovidiu-florin> I just wanted to make sure, because it's the same in romanian, and I suspected Kmail tried to translate the email somehow. Since I've seen this before.
[10:17] <apachelogger> kmail translating emails would be fancy
[10:20] <shadeslayer> ^^
[11:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:45] <ScottK> Riddell: I thought we did decide.
[11:47] <Riddell> I don't think it's been discussed too much
[11:47] <Riddell> we're got a meeting on monday to kick off that discussion
[12:03] <yofel> FWIW, I'm for first keeping it in a PPA for testing and do the final decision some time before FF.
[12:03] <yofel> (I wouldn't mind putting a TECHPREVIEW stamp on 14.10 but I'm not sure if that's the best thing to do)
[12:11] <Quintasan> yofel: You know, 4.0 also had the TP stamp on it and everyone started bashing
[12:11] <Quintasan> :P
[12:11] <yofel> hency my opinion on this ^^
[12:11] <yofel> -y
[12:16] <Riddell> Quintasan: with 4.0 we released two versions of kubuntu, 1 the LTS with KDE 3 and 1 with big warnings with 4.0
[12:16] <Riddell> but now we've just had an LTS
[12:16] <Riddell> so we can put the big warnings on the main release
[12:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: I do realise that the thing is that Technical Preview doesnt stop anyone from using that and the proceding with bashing
[12:20] <Riddell> it's also questionable if we want to put technical preview on a main kubuntu release
[12:34] <apachelogger> actually
[12:34] <apachelogger> people didn't bash 4.0 on kubuntu
[12:34] <apachelogger> they did however for 4.1 which IIRC we shipped by default in the release after LTS
[12:35] <yofel> 4.1 was in intrepid, right
[12:35] <apachelogger> so it does in fact make a difference whether you put an unpolished software stack on a secondary ISO that people may choose to test, or whether you offer it to people as a regular release ISO
[12:39] <allee> Is it intentional that in precise the upgrade from kde 4.12 -> 4.13 does not install baloo pkg?
[12:40] <apachelogger> if I had a say in it there would not have been 4.13 for precise :P
[12:41]  * yofel thought we at least had a recommends on baloo *somewhere* other than the metapackage
[12:43] <yofel> Quintasan: btw. any news wrt. sddm?
[12:43] <yofel> there was some rather confusing posts on the debian RFP/lp bug
[12:49] <Riddell> hasn't shadeslayer packaged sddm that for the neon5 iso?
[13:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I have, though it needs work
[13:42] <Odur_> Dang... I,ve found a regression in 14.04
[13:42] <shadeslayer> Odur_: hm?
[13:43] <Odur_> When I hotplug my USB headset it only get registerd by pulseaudio as stereo output, but if it's connected while booting it's stereo duplex
[13:45] <Riddell> Odur_: does it work otherwise?
[13:45] <Riddell> I don't know what stereo duplex means
[13:45] <Odur_> both input and output
[13:46] <Odur_> This time it gets registred as Mono Input, but no output... Erratic behaviour
[13:46] <Riddell> it's been my experience that sometimes it works and sometimes not so much
[13:47] <Odur_> Riddell: So, if I boot with the headset connectet it's just fine, but if I connect it after login it's just output OR input only, It has worked flawless in both 13.10 and 13.04
[13:48] <Riddell> Odur_: it'll be the change to gstreamer 1.0
[13:49] <Odur_> Ok, so gstreamer handles hardware Initialization?
[13:50] <Riddell> Odur_: phonon-gstreamer should set it up with pulseaudio
[13:50] <Riddell> it's all horribly complex
[13:50] <Riddell> ask apachelogger where to send bugs
[13:50] <apachelogger> to mikey mouse
[13:51] <apachelogger> Odur_: you'll want to report a bug against pulseaudio
[13:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: he will?
[13:51] <Riddell> for something that worked with phonon-gstreamer 0.10 ?
[13:52] <Odur_> :)
[13:52] <apachelogger> oh
[13:52] <apachelogger> I don't see the relation tbh :P
[13:52] <Mamarok> so apparently we have some transcoding problems on Amarok on Trusty, could somebody check this, please? -> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=120863&p=310135#p310135
[13:52] <apachelogger> phonon gstreamer is not the only thing that changed in 14.04 :P
[13:53] <Mamarok> I can transcode OK, and I don't remember having installed anything extra, but maybe that was a long time ago and some dependencies changed
[13:53] <apachelogger> the thing is, phonon/gstreamer do next to no hardware fiddling, so if stuff shows up incorrectly in the phonon KCM that is most likley a problem with pulseaudio and/or the driver
[13:53] <Mamarok> since I use Amarok from git I can't really judge
[13:54] <Odur_> apachelogger: That was my first thought too
[13:54] <apachelogger> Mamarok: nothing we can do about that, ffmpeg is a foundations thing
[13:55] <apachelogger> he probably should file a bug against libav, but I doubt they will care much and say amarok needs support for avconv
[13:55] <Mamarok> apachelogger: gah...
[13:55] <Mamarok> couldn't we do a trick by dragging in ffmpeg? There is a transitional package
[13:56] <apachelogger> that transits to libav-tools
[13:56] <apachelogger> and from what I heared the commandline args are simply different
[14:03] <Odur_> Hmm.. alsamixer sees both input and output
[14:39] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: ping
[14:42] <Riddell> hi Etriaph
[14:42] <Etriaph> Hi Riddell!
[14:42] <Riddell> Etriaph: are you helping ovidiu-florin with the new website?
[14:43] <Etriaph> Riddell: Ya, trying to.  The theme that's been chosen has turned out to be a bit obtuse when creating a child theme, so we've done some back and forth on options
[14:43] <Riddell> Etriaph: why does it need a child theme? (what does that mean exactly?)
[14:44] <Etriaph> Riddell: WordPress allows you to create a child of another theme (inherits the parent CSS, JS, display header/footer, in theory); however, Evolve doesn't take nicely to it.  Some of the CSS doesn't come across and the Bootstrap usage for the caroussel is enitrely broken.
[14:45] <Etriaph> Evolve is both a GPL and commercial theme, so getting support from them is not easy.
[14:45] <Etriaph> Riddell: A child theme is created when you want to add your own CSS but want to ensure you can still get updates from the parent safely
[14:47] <Etriaph> Riddell: But... it doesn't quite work. :)
[14:47] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion kde4libs 4.13.1
[14:47] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1317937
[14:49]  * Etriaph will be right back
[14:54]  * Etriaph has returned.
[14:55]  * ovidiu-florin is here
[14:55] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: pong
[14:55] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: G'day!  Nothing yet from the Evolve team.
[14:56] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: We can fork this by doing an SVN export of the 2.9.1 version, but I'm not sure we can fork it in their SVN
[14:56] <ovidiu-florin> we don't have to get access to their SVN
[14:57] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: The solution I had come up with involving making symbolic links to those folders will work just fine if they update the theme.
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> we can just get the current version and start our own repo
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: I like that Ideea
[14:57] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Well that's what I meant, do an SVN export and create a repo elsewhere.
[14:57] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Do you want to see it working?  I can give you a link to my local machine.
[14:58] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[14:58] <Etriaph> k, one sec, gotta configure router
[14:59] <Etriaph> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[15:00] <Etriaph> In this case, updating Evolve is still fully possible as they likely won't move those folders.  I would setup a staging vhost though just to be sure.
[15:01] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: it does not look right here
[15:02] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Can you take a screenshot for me?  Just want to know what you're seeing
[15:04] <Etriaph> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/09/plasma-desktopLG2343.png is what I get
[15:04] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: http://postimg.org/image/vu84pd4jh/
[15:05] <Etriaph> Can you view the source and pastebin me what's in the <head> tags?
[15:05] <Etriaph> The vhost I use is kubuntu.dev, it's in my hosts file, it may just be a name resolution issue.
[15:05] <Etriaph> If you add that to your hosts file it might clear it up
[15:08] <kfunk> Etriaph: wow. what theme (window / borders style) is that?
[15:08] <Etriaph> kfunk: qtCurve, my own theme
[15:08]  * kfunk wants
[15:08] <Etriaph> kfunk: Give me a sec and I'll throw it on kde-look
[15:15] <Etriaph> kfunk: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=165190
[15:15] <Etriaph> Includes the background too.
[15:16] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: If you do: sudo echo "<IP_ADDRESS>     kubuntu.dev" >> /etc/hosts
[15:17] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: It should clear it up.  I'm assuming that $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] is being used in the head to make the links
[15:18]  * Etriaph will be right back, need to save toddler
[15:21] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: yup, it works now
[15:24] <kfunk> Etriaph: awesome, thanks
[15:28] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: OK, so if you want to avoid forking it, you can create the symlinks as I'd mentioned in the email.
[15:28] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: ok, I'll do that for now
[15:28] <ovidiu-florin> Great suggestion
[15:28] <Etriaph> But if you're a stickler for security in the webserver (as I would be) make sure to make a <Directory> entry allowing symbolic links to be followed.
[15:28]  * ovidiu-florin is feeling low today
[15:28] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: I feel low every day, fibromyalgia
[15:29] <shadeslayer> I feel low every day too, I'm on earth
[15:29] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Knocked me out of work about a year ago, still waiting to get into a pain clinic to learn to live with it; upside is I have loads of free time on disability to help out with stuff :)
[15:30] <Etriaph> shadeslayer: Low is relative depending on where you live above sea level :)
[15:30] <shadeslayer> pretty sure Barcelona is at sea level
[15:30] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: OK, so I'll start taking a look at the other tasks then
[15:30] <Etriaph> shadeslayer: I would say so :)
[15:34] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: The remaining list looks like a lot of hands on with WordPress, aside from the accordian.  Are you looking to source an accordian plugin for this?
[15:38] <Etriaph> kfunk: np, hope you enjoy it :)
[15:39] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: not really
[15:40] <ovidiu-florin> that code was written by a friend and it's inserted in the post as JS
[15:40] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: OK, is there anything else that I can do to assist you?
[15:42] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: let me see
[15:43] <ovidiu-florin> did you see the email I sent to Octavio?
[15:44] <ovidiu-florin> yesterday
[15:45] <ovidiu-florin> it's on the mail list
[15:45] <Etriaph> Yes, but I had held off taking any action as I figured he might.
[15:45] <Etriaph> And I can't login to Etherpad for link 2
[15:47] <Etriaph> I'm not design-impaired, so I can give some of this a shot.  Let me see what I can come up with in the next couple of days regarding layout (link 4) and if I can find a way to get into link 2 I might tackle what I see there too.
[15:52] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: OK, I have a good chunk of stuff I can work on with link 2 and 4 from that email; I'll consider a way to implement and have more information probably by Sunday.  If everyone can agree on the layouts/solution I come up with I'll grab the ball on them.  Sound fair?
[15:53] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: you need a KDE identity account to see that etherpad
[15:53] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Yup, just set it up :)
[16:08]  * Riddell out
[16:09] <Riddell> ninjas: please get packaging :) http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-4.96.0/
[16:11]  * genii sips his coffee and wonders if there's a hutch.19inch.net
[16:16]  * Etriaph wonders that too now
[16:25]  * BluesKaj doesn't wonder
[16:25] <BluesKaj> :)
[16:38] <Etriaph> kfunk: How's that theme working out for you?
[16:38] <Etriaph> kfunk: I like feedback :)
[16:46] <kfunk> Etriaph: still trying it out. I need a day or so to get used to it. :)
[16:46] <kfunk> looks promising so far, didn't use your color scheme, though
[16:46] <kfunk> the color scheme is a bit too monochrome for my taste
[16:47] <Etriaph> kfunk: It should work well with any colour scheme.  I originally used a colourful one, but I tend towards something that doesn't distract me from work
[16:48] <Etriaph> kfunk: Would like to see what colour scheme you chose if you happen to have the file handy.
[16:48] <kfunk> sure, sec
[17:02] <kfunk> Etriaph: http://imagebin.org/309895
[17:02] <Etriaph> That's a great colour scheme, would you mind adding it to kde-look.org at some point?
[17:03] <Etriaph> I've never tried using 'Upload Scheme'
[17:03] <Etriaph> I don't know if that's opendesktop as a whole, or if it partitions it to the correct site
[17:06] <kfunk> Etriaph: tab widgets (the tabs themselves) look a bit odd in your style. could use a bit more padding.
[17:06] <Etriaph> Ya, I couldn't figure out how to make tabs look great; I wanted to flatten them out and round them a bit more, just didn't see where to do it.  It took me about three hours to get it to where it is.
[17:08] <kfunk> Etriaph: http://pastebin.kde.org/pev1fsrjp
[17:08] <kfunk> (derived from Oxygen, afair)
[17:09] <kfunk> but yeah, thanks for sharing the qtcurve style
[17:09] <kfunk> gotta go
[17:09] <Etriaph> Take it easy
[17:57] <Elv1313> Hello, is it possible to fast track bug #1316612 ? It was reported 3 time this week and the "just run it as root for now" solution isn't very secure given it is a network facing process. The patch has already been tested by affected users
[18:48] <Quintasan> yofel: shadeslayer did some work on top of my packaging and I forgot to ask ScottK if he would be willing to look at getting that into Debian instead
[18:49] <yofel> looked at the RFP? Someone changed that to ITP at some point, but now it's a RFP again
[18:49] <Quintasan> yofel: Nope.
[18:51] <Quintasan> yofel: You don't have the bug no. anywhere handy, do you?
[18:51] <yofel> I had it somewhere, give me a moment
[18:52] <yofel> debian 703519
[18:54] <Quintasan> yofel: Thanks
[18:54] <yofel> yw
[19:06] <Quintasan> ScottK: Please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/sddm/netrunner-packaging and see if there is anything big preventing us from having that in Debian if you have time
[19:17] <Elv1313> ScottK: Hi, can you fast-track bug #1316612 , it got reported 4 time in the last week, at affect more and more users as time goes on, it is expodentailly problematic
[19:57] <ScottK> Elv1313: Someone needs to upload it first.
[19:58] <Elv1313> ScottK: who do I have to ping?
[19:59] <ScottK> Subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug.
[19:59] <ScottK> Otherwise maybe one of the other devs here will have time.
[20:06] <Elv1313> ok, thanks