[01:19] <MrConorAE> hello, how do you get Windows 11 to replace the Secure Boot keys?
[01:20] <MrConorAE> i was trying Ubuntu off of a live usb, and it asked me to "install MOK", and I, not knowing what it meant and assuming it was part of a firmware update which my computer had done earlier, did it
[01:20] <MrConorAE> now most of my devices aren't working and File Explorer, Start and Settings won't open
[01:20] <MrConorAE> any help would be greatly appreciated
[01:21] <toddc> MrConorAE: boot a Windows disk and it will offer a repair option
[01:22] <MrConorAE> how do you make a windows disk?
[01:22] <MrConorAE> Windows 11 is installed on the SSD, but do you mean a recovery USB?
[01:23] <toddc> either will work 1 sec looking for address
[01:24] <MrConorAE> the laptop still boots from the SSD, but no repair option is available
[01:24] <MrConorAE> even holding SHIFT and clicking Restart to get to recovery options doesn't work, my computer just reboots normally
[01:24] <MrConorAE> it's a Lenovo, if that helps
[01:24] <toddc> https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11 from a working windows this makes a usb boot disk with the repair option
[01:25] <mybalzitch> windows official documentation now says you have to interrupt the reboot process like 3 times to get the repair options
[01:25] <mybalzitch> so forcefully power it off when the pinwheel shows up
[01:25] <MrConorAE> mybalzitch: i'll try that
[01:26] <toddc> mybalzitch: good to know thanks
[01:26] <MrConorAE> toddc: so then I boot from that, and ask it to repair?
[01:26] <Peter1> Hello which is the correct extension for a sha 256 checksum on ubuntu sha256 like on windows or sha2-256 or sha256sum or sha2 or something else entierly?
[01:26] <toddc> yes it should see that windows 11 was installed and offer up a repair option
[01:27] <MrConorAE> mybalzitch: interrupting now
[01:29] <MrConorAE> oh - it said "preparing automatic repair" then proceeded to reboot again and appeared to boot normally
[01:29] <MrConorAE> what :/
[01:29] <MrConorAE> also, every time it boots it flashes a message saying "please wait while we install a system update" with the Lenovo logo - is that something I should be worried about?
[01:30] <MrConorAE> mybalzitch: nope, still booting to windows
[01:30] <MrConorAE> ima go make a recovery USB now
[01:31] <MrConorAE> let me know if you think of anything else :/
[01:31] <TJ-> Peter1: Linux doesn't rely/bother about file extensions, it can be anything
[01:33] <Peter1> To go to repair options on windows hold Shift while restarting from the Power menu and it should show you the repair options after the restart.
[01:38] <Peter1> Thank you for the answer.
[01:49] <Peter1> Thought which is the most common extension for a sha 256 hash then? If any is used.
[01:53] <TJ-> Peter1: the archive doesn't use an extension. it calls the file SHA256SUMS
[01:54] <MrConorAE> Peter1: that doesn't work
[01:54] <MrConorAE> my computer just reboots normally if i try
[01:59] <Peter1> MrConorAE Then sorry i have only windows 10 and there holding the shift key and pressing restart in the power menu works.
[02:01] <Peter1> TJ- Thank you for the answer.
[02:03] <Peter1> MrConorAE That is holding it before i press restart and until it starts rebooting.
[02:04] <MrConorAE> Peter1: Yes, I've tried that: my computer just says "Please wait" and then reboots normally.
[02:09] <Peter1> MrConorAE What about trying the other methods as described here: https://www.minitool.com/news/advanced-options-windows-10-009.html
[02:09] <MrConorAE> toddc: i have a "repair your computer" link, but on the recovery screen that follows there is no "reset" option
[02:25] <Peter1> What about the methods here: https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-bs/000147155/booting-to-the-advanced-startup-options-menu-in-windows-10
[02:25] <Peter1> https://pureinfotech.com/access-advanced-startup-options-windows-11/
[02:25] <Peter1> https://thegeekpage.com/how-to-boot-into-advanced-startup-mode-in-windows-11/
[02:25] <Peter1> https://gearupwindows.com/how-to-access-windows-11-boot-advanced-options-menu/?amp=1
[02:27] <TJ-> MrConorAE: if you've added Machine Owners Keys, you can clear those from the motherboard's firmware setup options
[02:28] <TJ-> If you're doing a Windows recovery this should really be moved to #windows, this channel is for Ubuntu issues
[02:36] <riboczki> Evening to you all
[02:53] <MrConorAE> TJ-: yea i tried clearing them but that didn't help
[02:54] <MrConorAE> i'll move, thanks for all the help toddc , Peter1 and mybalzitch
[03:06] <smury> s
[03:59] <jcbjoe2021> guys here is my situation. im getting a gift card from amazon for a unreparable mac computer i sent them the budget is $1,444 im looking for something that just works out of the box. i can configure and do stuff later i just want to be up and running. i was advised about some thinkpads. what do you guys recommend? they have to be from amazon
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | jcbjoe2021
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> jcbjoe2021: most machines work with ubuntu pretty good, maybe to avoid some chipsets like realtek
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> jcbjoe2021: lenovo's might give some acpi issues a lot too
[04:00] <jcbjoe2021> ok
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> jcbjoe2021: in general we cant say a brand works right out of the box for every hardware part inside
[04:01] <jcbjoe2021> lotuspsychje: i noticed thinkpads aren't on the hardware support
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> jcbjoe2021: a lot of brands will work like a charm, even without them showing on the hardware wiki
[04:02] <jcbjoe2021> got it
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> jcbjoe2021: amd cpu/gpu's might also need higher kernel fiddling
[04:04] <Kilroy> a friend who got ubuntu working on a thinkpad (I am like 80% sure it was a thinkpad)
[04:04] <TJ-> jcbjoe2021: I have 6 Lenovo E495s, no problems at all with Linux, and Ryzen 7
[04:04] <jcbjoe2021> TJ-: let me see if amazon has that model
[04:05] <jcbjoe2021> TJ-: are those old models?
[04:05] <TJ-> jcbjoe2021: April 2020
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: wich release are you running on those
[04:07] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: Debian bullseye, Ubuntu 20.04
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> stock kernel or hwe?
[04:07] <jcbjoe2021> TJ-: Lenovo ThinkPad E495 14" Full HD Laptop, AMD Ryzen 5 3500U, 8GB Memory, 256GB SSD, Windows 10 Pro ?
[04:07] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: any is fine, but I build our own so 5.15 currenty
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> ah cool TJ-
[04:08] <TJ-> jcbjoe2021: they were available without windows on when I bought
[04:08] <jcbjoe2021> nice TJ-
[04:09] <TJ-> I popped out the 8GiB and put 32GiB in. What is nice they're a space space for an additional 2.5" SATA device
[04:09] <TJ-> um, my typing!  ... they've a spare space ...
[04:10] <jcbjoe2021> TJ-: i'll do some research on them, will get gift certificate later this week im guessing or next week
[04:10] <jcbjoe2021> Thanks
[04:10] <Guest57> hi i have a problem is this the right place to ask it?
[04:10] <TJ-> jcbjoe2021: there may be some more recent releases with basically the same configuration
[04:11] <hell_fire> hi um..i have a question
[04:11] <hell_fire> my ubuntu is detecting only 1 cpu out of 4
[04:11] <hell_fire> while o windows it is detecting all 4
[04:12] <hell_fire> on*
[04:12] <hell_fire> i recetly installed windows and got this problem
[04:12] <hell_fire> any help?
[04:12] <TJ-> hell_fire: how are you determining there is only 1 ?
[04:13] <Menzador> Do [ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "cpu cores" | uniq ]
[04:13] <hell_fire> well inxi -Fxxx , system moniter , lscpu say only 1 cpu core working
[04:13] <hell_fire> Menzador: cpu cores	: 1
[04:13] <TJ-> hell_fire: anything on the kernel command-line restricting them? "cat /proc/cmdline"
[04:13] <Menzador> ^
[04:13] <hell_fire> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.13.0-21-generic root=UUID=fc5c9aa2-da43-46ad-a04a-02f2b965605c ro quiet splash noapic nolapic vt.handoff=7
[04:13] <hell_fire> got this back
[04:14] <TJ-> hell_fire: do you know why you have "noapic nolapic" ?
[04:15] <hell_fire> i've heard it and tried that but i didn't knew it was working
[04:15] <TJ->  hell_fire  can you share the kernel log? "journalctl -k | nc termbin.com 9999 "
[04:15] <hell_fire> okay
[04:16] <hell_fire> https://termbin.com/ao16i
[04:16] <TJ-> noapic/nolapic == no Advanced (local) programmable interrupt controller
[04:16] <hell_fire> ah!
[04:17] <hell_fire> so thats the problem?
[04:17] <Menzador> In a word, yes
[04:17] <hell_fire> i used boot repair too cause the grub menu was not showing up
[04:17] <hell_fire> Menzador: ah so how do i fix it?
[04:17] <TJ-> "smpboot: SMP disabled"
[04:18] <hell_fire> ah there's the problem!
[04:18] <Menzador> Find the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line in /etc/default/grub, delete the "noapic" and "nolapic" options, save and close your editor, and run [ sudo update-grub ]
[04:18] <hell_fire> okay
[04:20] <Menzador> Reboot and see what happens. I'd suggest taking out "quiet" and "splash" options as well to see if it spits out any errors while loading
[04:21] <hell_fire> Menzador: okay
[04:22] <Dr-007> hello. im running 2 vnc servers on my desktop. 1 connects to the actual screen and the other 1 connects to a virtual desktop. ive set it up with Xvfb as follow: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vTfGh8pGzm/
[04:22] <Dr-007> my 'problem' is that its a basic slimmed down GUI of ubuntu that is started. and when i try to start chrome it loads for a little while and then just quits without error
[04:23] <hell_fire> Menzador: i'll brb rebooting
[04:23] <Dr-007> is there a way to start the more complex/full GUI of ubuntu?
[04:24] <Menzador> Dr-007: Do you have a terminal running in your VNC session?
[04:24] <Menzador> And, what DE do you normally use?
[04:25] <tomreyn> and which ubuntu release are you using?
[04:26] <Dr-007> i started on in the vnc session, i can start it again.
[04:26] <Dr-007> Linux server 5.13.0-21-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 19 08:59:28 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:28] <Dr-007> i changed the line `sudo DISPLAY=:3 gnome-session &` from gnome-session to 'DISPLAY=:3 gnome-shell &'
[04:28] <Dr-007> so without sudo and gnome-shell..
[04:28] <Dr-007> loads the gui the same
[04:28] <Dr-007> and wierdly i am root
[04:29] <hell_fire> i'm back
[04:29] <hell_fire> it worked!
[04:29] <hell_fire> but...
[04:29] <Menzador> Get your butt out of the way... :P
[04:29] <hell_fire> i had the edit the bot options myself on booting...
[04:29] <hell_fire> Menzador: :P
[04:30] <Menzador> You didn't save /etc/default/grub ?
[04:30] <hell_fire> i did
[04:30] <ravage> and run update-grub?
[04:30] <Menzador> ^
[04:31] <hell_fire> nope
[04:31] <hell_fire> ah lol
[04:31] <hell_fire> my bad
[04:31] <hell_fire> sorry!
[04:31] <tomreyn> you also seemed to have missed this:   hell_fire: do you know why you have "noapic nolapic" ?
[04:32] <tomreyn> it's not there by default, so you would have added that at some point
[04:32] <tomreyn> maybe to work around another problem?
[04:32] <hell_fire> tomreyn: yeah i tried that wayy before i installed windows, that was because some updates were not acting correct.. i think
[04:32] <hell_fire> tomreyn: yea i did that
[04:33] <tomreyn> if you want to post a system log to have that checked for remaining issues:  journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[04:34] <hell_fire> okie wait
[04:35] <hell_fire> https://termbin.com/dn3la
[04:39] <tomreyn> hell_fire: is this a satellite "C650 Pro" or "C650D Pro", or one of those but without the "Pro"?
[04:40] <tomreyn> it should say on the bottom, if you want to check
[04:40] <hell_fire> its just satellite c640
[04:40] <tomreyn> oh 640 sorry
[04:40] <hell_fire> yesh
[04:40] <hell_fire> :)
[04:40] <hell_fire> anyways thanks again Menzador tomreyn and TJ-
[04:41] <Menzador> hell_fire: yw! (and, you can re-add the "quiet" and "splash" options if you had them before)
[04:42] <hell_fire> okay but is it really required?
[04:42] <tomreyn> hell_fire: if you want to update the bios (yours says it is version 1.00 (built 04/01/2011), so probably the first they ever did): https://support.dynabook.com/support/modelHome?freeText=1200012177&osId=3333728
[04:42] <hell_fire> oh? i didn't knew how to update the bios
[04:43] <Menzador> hell_fire: Nope, it just makes it look prettier. Whether or not you want dmesg and systemd scrolling across the screen is up to you
[04:43] <hell_fire> oh
[04:43] <hell_fire> i'll try that but on that link it only shows windoe\ws operating systems
[04:44] <hell_fire> windows
[04:46] <hell_fire> also my model number is not there in that link
[04:47] <tomreyn> hell_fire: It says "Satellite (Pro) C640"
[04:48] <tomreyn> actually without "(Pro)"
[04:48] <tomreyn> but when you click the bios link on the bottom it does
[04:48] <tomreyn> but this "(pro)" apparently means that it works for both
[04:49] <tomreyn> you could check the specific model number: PSC00C-01U00P should be printed on the bottom of your laptop
[04:49] <hell_fire> thats not my odel number
[04:49] <tomreyn> so which is yours?
[04:49] <hell_fire> it psc2ug
[04:49] <tomreyn> the log looks fine, though, so i guess there's no need to upgrade bios
[04:49] <hell_fire> oh okay
[04:50] <hell_fire> then after upgrade there won't be any new options in bios??
[04:51] <tomreyn> maybe, maybe not, i don't know.
[05:05] <Guest68> is there a way to be notified if a script is run?
[05:11] <tomreyn> Guest68: there are commands you can run to provide some notification on your graphical desktop. you could send emails, or similar.
[05:13] <Guest68> i don't mean my own script, i mean like, if a script in such and such system folder runs due to some automatic thing
[05:17] <tomreyn> Guest68: this probably needs more context, but it already seems like you would better edit the script itself.
[05:17] <tomreyn> (or whatever runs the script)
[05:17] <tomreyn> whihch ubuntu version and software is this about?
[05:18] <Guest68> i think some of them are python bytecode, but im not sure
[05:19] <Guest68> lts
[06:17] <Dr-007> what desktop manager/sessions are there? ive now got gnome and mate installed
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> !flavours | Dr-007
[06:52] <immuda> hello
[06:53] <immuda> lotuspsychje, hello
[07:02] <tomreyn> hi immuda, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[07:15] <immuda> no tomreyn just logged in
[07:46] <nurul> hi
[07:56] <Dr-007> thanks lotuspsychje
[08:01] <Dr-007> why is the Kubuntu mobile deprecated? other then people werent contributing anymore
[08:04] <Dr-007> ooh kubuntu is way prettier then mate
[08:05] <Dr-007> but perhabs not prettier then gnome
[08:05] <Dr-007> oh well, installing!
[08:08] <fabio_> salve a tutti
[08:08] <fabio_> ho una lan fatta con router sitecom
[08:08] <fabio_> ed una pennetta usb wifi con la quale vado in internet
[08:08] <ThinkT510> !it
[08:25] <knightwise> morning everyone
[08:25] <ThinkT510> greetings knightwise
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> Dr-007: its now plasma mobile, https://www.plasma-mobile.org there's also still a #ubports community with ubuntu mobile aswell
[08:30] <KBar> Didn't they rename it to Lomiri?
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> oh yeah seems like it KBar
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> or maybe its unity8 lomiri and ubports a fork of it?
[08:35] <KBar> Everything is a fork!
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[10:54] <cbreak> has https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1906476 been fixed in 21.10 by now?
[10:55] <cbreak> still not sure if I should risk an upgrade from 21.04 yet
[11:12] <mihaiadrian> hi, i use xbindkeys / xautomation to set my right-click button on the mouse to an auxiliary button on the mouse (thumb button).
[11:12] <mihaiadrian> here is my .xbindkeysrc file: https://pastebin.com/raw/xMBmTizY
[11:12] <mihaiadrian> i have no idea why is it not working.
[11:13] <oerheks> i have no idea why you are crossposting?
[11:45] <imi> is there a way to toggle from commandline wheter the screen locks when it gets dimmed/turned off due to inactivity?
[11:47] <EriC^^> imi: there should be something in gsettings, try "gsettings list-recursively | grep -E "lock|screen""
[11:48] <NeoFrontier> Hello, is there a way to get the 'grep' command to display the amount of files searched so far while it is busy doing the search ?
[11:48] <NeoFrontier> Thanks betlegese .
[11:52] <EriC^^> imi: maybe gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false  , not sure if it would affect other stuff such as suspend or ctrl+alt+l or what, try it and see
[12:04] <morgoth_bauglir> how do you open a new tab for dming a user in hexchat?
[12:09] <deksar> Hi there. How can I run a command that will check all the files within a directory, and make a list of files that were CHANGED/Modified within 24 hours (a day), and then copy these files to an another folder?
[12:12] <oerheks> man ls = ls -llt
[12:25] <EriC^^> deksar: find /path -mtime -1 -type f -exec cp {} /path/to/dir \; > /path/to/list
[12:26] <EriC^^> deksar: note it could potentially overwrite files if they had the same name
[12:30] <heller> any idaas what broke my ddclient?
[12:31] <heller> WARNING:  cannot connect to svc.joker.com:443 socket: IO::Socket::IP configuration failed
[13:16] <ads21> Anyone able to help with apache and uptime-kuma install ?
[13:20] <moliendo> Hi, I have a problem with proprietary nvidia drivers. Whichever driver I use, it crashes for a while after opening a steam game. On the other hand, I don't encounter with any issues while using open-source driver in the same scenario. However, in this case, it doesn't work as good as the proprietary one (rendering issues).
[13:21] <moliendo> So I would be appreciated at least if you can guide me how to troubleshoot the problem. My graphical card is EVGA gtx 980 and the driver version is 495.44.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[15:42] <avallac_h> Hi! Can somebody explain me how to run a command when certain package updates. I want something like alpm-hooks from Arch's pacman <https://man.archlinux.org/man/alpm-hooks.5>. Can dpkg/apt do something like this?
[15:42] <avallac_h> This looks similar to what I want: <https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-linux-hook-a-script-command-to-apt-get-upgrade-command/>. However, this method has major disadvantage: script will be executed on every update, but I only want this to happen when the certain package updates.
[15:56] <oerheks> avallac_h, something like DPkg::Post-Install-Pkgs ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/869219/how-can-i-run-a-script-after-a-specific-package-is-upgraded --- https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/492697/cleaner-way-to-detect-if-a-particular-package-was-installed-in-apt-get-hook
[16:11] <avallac_h> oerheks: Very close, thanks.
[16:24] <no_gravity> Hello! I wonder how to set up a program that needs to run as root? gparted for example does this out of the box. I wonder how?
[16:33] <leftyfb> no_gravity: why?
[16:33] <no_gravity> leftyfb: Why why?
[16:34] <leftyfb> no_gravity: if you explain the exact scenario and details behind why you want to do this, we can better help you. There might be alternative solutions as well
[16:34] <no_gravity> Nah
[16:35] <ioria> considering also that there are a lot languages ... and each one has its method
[16:35] <no_gravity> Looks like one has to create a file in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/
[16:35] <ioria> one, yes
[16:39] <no_gravity> I made the .policy file and added a starter, but it does nothing. Is there a way to get an error output somehow?
[16:40] <new_guest_21> Hello, I have a `perl` command related question (I use it instead of grep/awk for regex parsing). May I ask here?
[16:41] <ioria> no_gravity, test it from terminsl
[16:42] <no_gravity> ioria: "pkexec myapp"? That works.
[16:42] <no_gravity> But when I click the menu entry, nothing happens.
[16:43] <ioria> nope, without pkexec
[16:43] <no_gravity> Then it runs as the user which starts it.
[16:43] <no_gravity> Maybe I need to restart gnome to read the policy file?
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> new_guest_21: you can try the #linux channel or #programming if you like, if its non-ubuntu related
[16:45] <ioria> no_gravity, you can alt+f2 ,r, enter .... but if it works as normal user, the rule is ineffective
[16:45] <new_guest_21> Thank you lotuspsychje will try there
[16:45] <no_gravity> ioria: alt+f2, r, enter does not do anything here.
[16:46] <ioria> no_gravity, so you are on wayland
[16:46] <no_gravity> ioria: I doubt that.
[16:46] <ioria> no_gravity, env | grep XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[16:47] <no_gravity> ioria: No output
[16:48] <ioria> no_gravity, env | grep -i XDG
[16:48] <no_gravity> ioria: No output
[16:48] <ioria> no_gravity, env | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:48] <no_gravity> ioria: That looks like it would connect to the internet.
[16:49] <ioria> no_gravity, what 's ypour ubuntu ver and de ?
[16:49] <no_gravity> ioria: 20 + kde
[16:49] <ioria> ah, no idea ask in #kubuntu maybe
[16:50] <no_gravity> ioria: I don't use kubuntu.
[16:50] <no_gravity> But yeah, I'll ask there
[16:50] <ioria> ask in #kde, then
[16:50] <BinarySavior> i have a docker container running, how can i configure the container to start automatically after rebooting.  should i set it up as a systemd service?
[16:50] <no_gravity> ioria: Yeh
[16:51] <no_gravity> BinarySavior: I would put a script that starts it in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[16:53] <no_gravity> BinarySavior: echo "docker run mycontainer" > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50-my-container.sh
[16:54] <TJ-> what happens if the display server isn't started?
[17:15] <orangepi> darova pacanu
[17:16] <orangepi> heloo
[18:27] <cbreak> not sure how to read this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1906476, apparently it has a "fix released", but then something called ubuntu kernel bot is threatening to remove the fix again
[18:27] <cbreak> and while I think the kernel in https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/linux-image-generic is already newer than the one with the problem, I'm not sure if it's already safe
[18:28] <cbreak> the changelog seems unhelpful: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-meta_<IP_ADDRESS>.32/changelog
[18:28] <cbreak> apparently the only things the ubuntu peopole ever change in that package is version bumps
[18:29] <cbreak> ah, found it, seems it's listed here: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/linux_5.13.0-21.21/changelog
[18:34] <cbreak> let's see if it works :)
[19:44] <BCB> I'm trying to install certbot on Ubuntu 20 and the install is missing files.  I can't seem to install configobj
[19:44] <BCB> do i need to install it from source?
[19:45] <BCB> i've installed python-configobj-doc python-configobj and I'm still getting an error
[20:04] <oerheks> BCB what guide do you follow?
[20:05] <oerheks> https://certbot.eff.org/instructions?ws=nginx&os=ubuntu-20
[20:05] <oerheks> they give our snaps as preferred :-D
[20:06] <oerheks> and i think you need python3;  python3-configobj and such?
[20:14] <mort> uhhh ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/focal-*/InRelease is not valid yet according to my raspberry pi
[20:15] <mort> according to 'date' it knows the right time, sat nov 13 20:15:00
[20:15] <mort> nvm, weird, it worked now
[20:16] <mort> maybe I ran 'apt update' right before it got the right time from ntp
[20:29] <BCB> oerheks YES I followed that guide you referenced.
[20:32] <BCB> oerheks do I use pip/snap/apt to install dependencies??
[22:37] <clarkk> apparmor is preventing an app from starting. Can someone help me fix it?  I'm also concerned that the app is trying to "rmdir".  What exactly is it trying to remove?  I don't want it to remove the directory in named in the log.  http://paste.debian.net/plainh/8f587fc3
[22:39] <TJ-> clarkk: you'd need to ask the publisher of that snap
[22:40] <clarkk> ok, if we disregard that, how would I theoretically allow these actions?  I can see the app listed in aa-status
[22:40] <clarkk> so it must have a profile, mustn't it?  How can I locate that aa profile?
[22:42] <TJ-> clarkk: I don't know how snap manages the profiles but I think I saw or read recently they're someplace else than in /etc/apparmor.d/
[22:42] <clarkk> I looked in there. That app isn't mentioned at all in any of the files in that directory
[22:43] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/tradingview
[22:44] <oerheks> snap list
[22:44] <oerheks> also, see in software > installed > snapname > permissions for more info
[22:45] <oerheks> in 21.10 it is in settings > applications
[22:46] <oerheks> "/media/zdata/zdocuments/"
[22:47] <clarkk> running df | grep tradingview  output where it's installed
[22:48] <clarkk> oerheks, yes, https://snapcraft.io/tradingview is where I installed it from
[22:50] <clarkk> what does this mean?  requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000
[22:53] <clarkk> the app is installed in /dev/loop38        68608     68608         0 100% /snap/tradingview/9
[22:54] <clarkk> I can't find any reference to apparmor in it tho
[22:57] <oerheks> i would report that snap, see the site
[22:57] <oerheks> it is beta, and prop blob
[23:07] <clarkk> thanks oerheks and TJ- .  I think I know what the problem. Will report back in a bit


[00:37] <infinity> cjwatson: Hrm, did someone fix something, eglibc triggered a LOT more than 19 tests this time.
[09:10] <cjwatson> infinity: Not I
[11:00] <infinity> jibel: Is there a way for mortals to retry autopkgtest runs?
[11:02] <jibel> infinity, yes there is, you will need a VPN Access to the QA Lab, then go to http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/ , select the job you want to restart and click on "Build"
[11:02] <jibel> (if jenkins UI can be considered for mere mortals)
[11:03] <infinity> Yeah, I'm not sure that internal Canonical VPNs count as "mere mortal" access for a community project. :P
[11:03] <infinity> But I'll get access to that sometime.
[11:04] <infinity> jibel: For now, can you retry eglibc/i386?  That failure is probably a timing issue with kvm being crap.
[11:04] <infinity> (And certainly isn't due to any changes in the source)
[11:05] <jibel> infinity, eglibc restarted
[11:05] <infinity> jibel: And the chromium-browser failures look suspiciously more infrastructure related than packaging related.  Though, it's hard to tell.
[11:09] <jibel> I'll look at chromium, qengho sent me an email about it last night.
[12:27] <xnox> what's the minimum delay between: dput ftp-master and package appearing in launchpad.net/debian/+source/package (and thus available for syncing)? or shall I be naughty and dput the same .dsc into ubuntu as well
[12:30] <StevenK> xnox: The source has to be published in Debian, the mirror pulse has to occur to ftp.uk, then LP's mirror has to update and finally we have to scan it and import new sources.
[12:30] <StevenK> So, it's like six hours or something
[12:32] <xnox> StevenK: ok, my current strategy is to write down a post-it note for the next day. I need to think of something better. I wonder if syncpackage can accept md5sum of the dsc to sync, and thus I could just cron it.
[12:37] <StevenK> xnox: You can probably check for existance via the API every hour or something
[12:37] <StevenK> You know the details
[12:37] <xnox> StevenK: sure. thanks. At least I know the ballpark delay now.
[12:38] <StevenK> xnox: Six hours might be the median delay, I'm not sure.
[12:38] <cjwatson> I think it's near the upper limit.
[12:38] <cjwatson> (Now.  Things used to be misaligned so it was worse.)
[12:39] <StevenK> I remember sitting down with bigjools a while ago and changing the times so they were after dinstall not an hour beforehand.
[15:29] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/series-alias/+merge/178103   that was rather harder than I expected
[15:33] <infinity> cjwatson: You keep picking the "easy" tasks that take hundreds of lines to solve...
[15:34] <cjwatson> Yes, quite
[16:05] <jibel> infinity, eglibc is back to green
[16:10] <infinity> jibel: \o/
[16:27] <xnox> 6 hours on the dot since debian accept email to http://pad.lv/d/abi-compliance-checker i wonder if I had impeccable timing =)
[16:52] <xnox> \o/
[16:53] <didrocks> xnox: isn't it? :)
[17:01] <ogra_> bah ... someone synces debootstrap
[17:03] <ogra_> *synced
[17:05] <cjwatson> What's wrong with that?
[17:06] <cjwatson> I did.
[17:06] <cjwatson> (And then the auto-syncer did.)
[17:28] <ogra_> cjwatson, that my chromebook uses  raring and i have to pull it manually :) ...
[17:28] <ogra_> no worries ... i'm just pointlessly moaning :)
[17:28] <cjwatson> saucy chroot?
[17:28] <cjwatson> Or upgrade to saucy, surely it just works :)
[17:29] <ogra_> yeah
[17:29] <ogra_> but then i lose my hacked up graphics driver config ... getting unity to run in the chromebook isnt easy
[17:30] <ogra_> i just wget'd and installed it
[22:02] <infinity> cjwatson: Does something magical need to happen for a retried test to be noticed by britney, or should I just force past it (the retry was successful).  In this case, eglibc.
[23:23] <knome> SRU team, can you look at bug 1207493?
[23:23] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1207493 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Documentation does not match shipped system version (11.10 shipped with 12.04)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207493


[21:20] <ChristopherS> Any kid programmers in the age range 12-13? I need to recruit young programmers with me and Justin N. Pitera. Anyone interested?
[21:32] <jose> ChristopherS: people here should be 13+ :)
[21:33] <ChristopherS> that's fine. 13 is ok
[21:33] <jose> if you could give more info maybe someone will poke
[21:35] <ChristopherS> We have these people in our team: Zach Gioppo, Justin Pitera, Portal Sheep (that's his Google+ name), and me.
[21:35] <jose> and what's the project about?
[21:36] <ChristopherS> It's a group of programmers willing to collaborate on our own projects. For profit and fun.
[21:36] <ChristopherS> And donations.
[21:36] <jose> I meant, about on what's the project about
[21:37] <jose> (still don't understand why the age)
[21:37] <ChristopherS> Because I am 12 and Justin is 13.
[21:39] <Justin___> Hi
[21:40] <jose> hey, Justin___


[14:15] <qwebirc8183> hi there. i have tried install mythbuntu control centre on 3 different linux os and keep getting the following error when i load it exception in applystatetogui of plugin plugins. the os i have tried is mint ubuntu and ubuntu mate


[00:01] <bryceh> hud sure spews a lot of errors and warnings
[00:01] <bryceh> think those are all subsequent to the crash though
[00:07] <bryceh> interesting; elmo's stacktrace does not match the one upstream
[00:17] <smoser> if someone can help, i *just now* uploaded a cloudinit at http://paste.ubuntu.com/861292/
[00:17] <smoser> it fixes 2 bugs that i'd like to have fixed in beta1
[00:17] <smoser> but i am willing to have someone say "no, not important enough" or "no, too late".
[00:19] <lynxman> jdstrand: ping
[00:23]  * smoser is out. if anyone can ACK that though, i'd appreciate it. but otherwise, it can just land the other side of beta.
[00:34] <dachary> Hi, I wonder how long it takes for a package in Debian testing ( http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?packages=libbpp-core ) reach ubuntu ( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libbpp-core ) ? Does it require a manual operation ?
[00:35] <RAOF> dachary: It depends on the time of the Ubuntu cycle.
[00:36] <dachary> RAOF: at this time does it require a manual intervention ?
[00:36] <RAOF> dachary: At *this* point in the cycle (after DebianImportFreeze) it's manual.  Also, we're after FeatureFreeze, so if the package introduces a new feature it needs justification.
[00:36] <dachary> it's not about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates just yet, I guess ;-)
[00:36] <dachary> oh
[00:37] <RAOF> Finally, we're currently in BetaFreeze, so there's basically no chance until the Beta is released.
[00:37] <broder> that's not true for packages in universe/multiverse
[00:38] <dachary> broder: I should have mentionned these packages are in universe. The rule is different there ?
[00:38] <broder> as long as they're not on an image, beta freeze mostly doesn't apply (they have to be approved, but it's virtually automatic)
[00:38] <broder> but FF and DIF are still relevant
[00:40] <dachary> There are a few new features in this set of bioinformatics packages http://biopp.univ-montp2.fr/wiki/index.php/Packaging
[00:40] <dachary> broder: does that mean they will be rejected even if they are in universe ?
[00:42] <dachary> I would like to make sure I'm not missing an opportunity to have them in the next ubuntu release. But if the rules say it can't, they will have to be obeyed ;-)
[00:42] <broder> dachary: it means that you have to manually request the sync (because it's post-DIF), and get a FeatureFreezeException approved (because it's post-FF), and that if the sync was sponsored right now, it would be held for approval (due to BF), but that it would with high certainty get waved through the beta freeze queue
[00:43] <dachary> broder: that's hopefull :-)
[00:50] <dachary> border thanks for the help. I'll proceed with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[01:06] <bryceh> elmo, thanks again for your help.  I've been in contact with Intel and it's marked as a priority issue for investigation with them.
[01:15] <slangasek> smoser: please use #ubuntu-release for such questions rather than relying on someone to catch it in scrollback on #ubuntu-devel... :)
[06:04] <pitti> Good morning
[06:05] <pitti> iulian: you can upload stuff at any time; during the freeze it'll be caught in unapproved, and you should poke in #ubuntu-release to get it through quickly; but yes, ghc seems fine now
[06:07] <micahg> I think that was discussed on Friday and it was decided that after beta 1 would be easiest
[06:14] <pitti> ok
[06:14] <pitti> well, I guess I can use the buildds to do some rebuilds for bug 875466
[06:26] <larsduesing> hi together
[06:26] <larsduesing> a small question about creating patches
[06:27] <larsduesing> in a project there is a patch named "01_no-shipped-init-script.patch"
[06:28] <larsduesing> which uses debian/$PROJECT.init.debian to be copied
[06:28] <larsduesing> now I am building an upstart patch
[06:29] <pitti> that sounds overly complicated
[06:29] <larsduesing> so this patch is no longer neccesary...
[06:29] <larsduesing> Is it advisable to kill this 01_patch alltogether?
[06:29] <pitti> a patch that creates debian/project.init.d ?
[06:29] <larsduesing> no
[06:29] <larsduesing> it is more funny
[06:30] <larsduesing> --
[06:30] <pitti> larsduesing: it's a little vague, but just build the package and see what comes out of it
[06:30] <larsduesing> 01_no-shipped-init-script.patch:-	@echo "Installing Debian-style init.d"
[06:30] <larsduesing> 01_no-shipped-init-script.patch:-	@mkdir -p ${DESTDIR}${diretc}init.d
[06:30] <larsduesing> 01_no-shipped-init-script.patch:-	@cp doc/${PROJECT}.init.debian ${DESTDIR}${diretc}init.d/${PROJECT}
[06:30] <larsduesing> 01_no-shipped-init-script.patch:+#	@echo "Installing Debian-style init.d"
[06:30] <larsduesing> 01_no-shipped-init-script.patch:+#	@mkdir -p ${DESTDIR}${diretc}init.d
[06:30] <larsduesing> 01_no-shipped-init-script.patch:+#	@cp doc/${PROJECT}.init.debian ${DESTDIR}${diretc}init.d/${PROJECT}
[06:30] <larsduesing> ---
[06:30] <pitti> larsduesing: in general, if you just have debian/project.upstart, dh_installinit will do the right thing
[06:30] <larsduesing> it is even commented out... :)
[06:31] <pitti> larsduesing: no, the patch comments it out, i. e. disables it
[06:31] <pitti> so you need to keep that
[06:31] <larsduesing> ah... yes
[06:31] <pitti> as you still don't want the init script
[06:31] <larsduesing> i saw this NOW... sorry
[06:31] <larsduesing> :)
[06:31] <larsduesing> yes, it's about Makefile
[06:32] <larsduesing> sorry
[06:37] <larsduesing> sorry, another question...
[06:37] <larsduesing> in ubuntu i cannot use dch --nmu --close bug#, correct?
[06:37] <larsduesing> (it querries the debian bug-database...)
[06:44] <RAOF> larsduesing: I think you can, but (a) we don't have NMUs (because we don't have maintainers), and (b) --close will add a closes tag for the BTS, rather than Launchpad; that's probably not what you're after.
[06:45] <rickspencer3> good morning/evening all
[06:45] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[06:45] <rickspencer3> pitti, Daviey what's the word on the street for beta1? looking good?
[06:45] <pitti> rickspencer3: no catastrophes that I could see, anyway
[06:45]  * rickspencer3 eyes precice_probs and smoke tests
[06:46] <rickspencer3> pitti, good to hear ... it's nice to see the archive and smoke tests are in good shape
[06:46] <pitti> rickspencer3: ISO tracker for ubuntu images has just one red bug, which is a xubuntu bug and already fixed; it seems it just got mis-placed
[06:47] <pitti> rickspencer3: precise_probs has that long-standing problem of the new armadaxp kernel, but it's not really user-visible
[06:47] <pitti> rickspencer3: openjdk will be fixed once it finishes building on arm*
[06:49] <pitti> rickspencer3: upgrades are a bit unstable unfortunately, bug 927993
[06:53] <didrocks> @pilot in
[06:56] <YokoZar> larsduesing: btw, the Ubuntu equivalent of Debian's Closes is to put (LP: #123456) in a changelog entry
[06:57] <YokoZar> This will automatically fix-released the bug when the package hits the archive (provided the bug is filed against that package)
[07:08] <larsduesing> YokoZar: thanks
[07:15] <larsduesing> hmm...
[07:15] <larsduesing> sorry...
[07:15] <larsduesing> how to get quilt to delete a file?
[07:15] <larsduesing> (not a patch, but a file in debian/ )
[07:20] <larsduesing> (I think I am in a complete wrong way... I want to make a patch which exchanges init.d to upstart... ONE Change out of the debian-dir, all others are in debian...)
[07:20] <larsduesing> (this patch is to be given to ubuntu-sponsors
[07:23] <pitti> larsduesing: just delete the file
[07:23] <pitti> we don't patch files in debian/
[07:25] <larsduesing> ok, so a patch for sponsors should be a normal diff?
[07:25] <larsduesing> (and nothing with quilt ?
[07:25] <pitti> yes, ideally a debdiff between the current package and your new one
[07:25] <pitti> i. e. debdiff foo_current.dsc foo_new.dsc
[07:25] <larsduesing> ok
[07:26] <larsduesing> but in new should be a changelog-entry?
[07:26] <pitti> yes, of course; any change you need to make
[07:26] <larsduesing> ok
[07:27] <larsduesing> thanks
[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:50] <dholbach> pitti, nothing like a few rebuilds in the morning, right? :)
[07:50] <pitti> dholbach: yeah, felt like the buildds needed to produce some heat :)
[07:50] <pitti> they were getting bored and crummy
[07:54] <dholbach> can somebody please reject https://code.launchpad.net/~maxolasersquad/ubuntu/precise/stellarium/add_quicklist/+merge/94312?
[07:55] <pitti> dholbach: *zap*
[07:56] <dholbach> thanks pitti :)
[08:01] <larsduesing> is anybody able to set bug 223825 to triaged?
[08:16] <pitti> larsduesing: yes, but "in progress" seems appropriate as there is a patch now and you are workign on it?
[08:16] <larsduesing> pitti: patch is completed... (and working since more than half a year in my ppa)
[08:17] <larsduesing> so what type is to be set?
[08:17] <larsduesing> *sorry* I'm rather new to all this :(
[08:17] <pitti> larsduesing: ah, sponsors are subscribed already
[08:17] <pitti> larsduesing: that's pretty much it then
[08:18] <larsduesing> sponsors and sru
[08:18] <larsduesing> ok
[08:18] <pitti> larsduesing: btw, no need to remove debian/aiccu.init.d
[08:18] <larsduesing> thanks for your help
[08:18] <pitti> larsduesing: instead, you should call dh_installinit with --upstart-only
[08:18] <pitti> (smaller diff)
[08:19] <larsduesing> so I should put a new diff?
[08:19] <pitti> larsduesing: hang on, you don't even need --upstart-only; if .upstart exists, that will be used
[08:19] <pitti> larsduesing: would make it easier for sponsors, yes (and you can do another final test build)
[08:20] <larsduesing> but the init.d is the source of that bug
[08:20] <larsduesing> (I did a build - but interestingly on updating /etc/init.d/aiccu WON'T be deleted :( )
[08:22] <pitti> larsduesing: yes, but that's not because you removed debian/init.d
[08:22] <pitti> larsduesing: the init script is a dpkg-managed configuration file, and you need to remove it manually in maintainer scripts
[08:22] <pitti> larsduesing: see man dpkg-maintscript-helper
[08:22] <larsduesing> arghs, so I have to edit these, too?
[08:23] <pitti> larsduesing: if you don't feel up to this, please mention it in the bug, so that the sponsor can add the necessary bis
[08:23] <pitti> bits
[08:23] <larsduesing> I'm able, but I'm learning still
[08:23] <larsduesing> (and if I do it not myself, I will never learn...)
[08:24] <pitti> larsduesing: no, it's actually enough to add a debian/aiccu.maintscript with something like "rm_conffile /etc/init.d/aiccu 20070115-14.1"
[08:24] <pitti> larsduesing: the dpkg-maintscript-helper manpage explains the problem with conffiles, and how to remove them on upgrade
[08:24] <larsduesing> ok
[08:24] <pitti> fortunately it's relatively easy to do this these days with .maintscript
[08:25] <larsduesing> there is no debian/*.maintscript
[08:25] <larsduesing> only .postrm
[08:26] <larsduesing> (and pre*/post*.debhelper)
[08:26] <pitti> yes, you need to create it
[08:26] <larsduesing> ok
[08:26] <larsduesing> *reading*
[08:26] <larsduesing> :)
[08:26] <larsduesing> thanks pitti
[08:26] <pitti> larsduesing: kein Problem :)
[08:26] <larsduesing> *g*
[08:32] <larsduesing> pitti - so I should leave the buggy init.d-script in place?
[08:32] <pitti> larsduesing: yes, it won't be installed if there is an .upstart script as well (see man dh_installinit)
[08:32] <larsduesing> ok
[08:32] <pitti> that reduces the delta with debian
[08:32] <pitti> i. e. the packaging difference
[08:32] <larsduesing> yes
[08:32] <larsduesing> I understand
[08:36] <larsduesing> still one question - should I update debian/control Standads-Version: 3.9.1 to 3.9.2 ?
[08:36] <larsduesing> lintian mentions it...
[08:36] <infinity> No.
[08:36] <infinity> Not unless you're planning to take over upstream maintenance too.
[08:36] <larsduesing> ok
[08:37] <pitti> larsduesing: that'd be unnecessarily diverging from Debian, indeed, so we leave it
[08:38] <infinity> Also, rm_conffile surely isn't enough in this case, you'd also want an update-rc.d remove?
[08:38] <infinity> Or you leave a mess of dangling symlinks.
[08:38] <larsduesing> oh
[08:38] <larsduesing> that's right...
[08:39] <larsduesing> so somewhere put an "update-rc.d aiccu disable"?
[08:40] <infinity> larsduesing: Not disable, remove.
[08:40] <larsduesing> ah, yes...
[08:40] <larsduesing> sure
[08:42] <larsduesing> infinity: aiccu.postinst.debhelper DOES that
[08:42] <larsduesing> # Automatically added by dh_installinit
[08:42] <larsduesing> update-rc.d -f aiccu remove >/dev/null || exit $?
[08:43] <pitti> isn't that just on "remove", not on "upgrade"?
[08:44] <larsduesing> "aiccu.postinst.debhelper"
[08:45] <larsduesing> I read that, do that after installing
[08:45] <pitti> larsduesing: righht, but this line is usually surrounded by if [ "$1" = "purge" ]
[08:45] <infinity> I'd actually be shocked if it's there at all after dh_installinit switches to installing an upstart script instead.
[08:45] <infinity> (Have you made that change yet?)
[08:47] <larsduesing> pitti: no dependencies for that line
[08:47] <pitti> nice, magic
[08:47] <pitti> so perhaps dh_installinit is clever enough to do that by itself then
[08:47] <broder> uh, are you guys sure? it makes perfect sense for dh_installinit to cleanup the rc*.d symlinks if you start shipping an upstart job
[08:47] <larsduesing> I HATE magic, esp. if I don't understand it
[08:47] <pitti> broder: yes, it does, but I wasn't aware that it does that by itself
[08:48] <infinity> broder: I don't think it makes sense at all for it to universally have that in every upstart-using package (and I'm betting it doesn't).
[08:48] <larsduesing> so, I'll try an update.. let's see
[08:48] <larsduesing> :)
[08:48] <broder> looks like it adds it unless you specify --upstart-only
[08:49] <broder> err, wait, and unless some other things
[08:49] <pitti> so that was probably added so that maintainers don't have to add the same snippet over and over again
[08:50] <infinity> I suppose.  But then they'll be there "forever".  I guess it doesn't hurt, unless the user adds their own init script with the same name, assuming some silly maintainer script that doesn't own the file won't mess with them.
[08:51]  * infinity shrugs.
[08:51] <pitti> infinity: remove only removes symlinks if the script doesn't exist
[08:51] <infinity> True.
[08:51] <infinity> So, it's just a lot of unnecessary noops.
[08:52] <infinity> Good thing it's Perl instead of Python, so it doesn't take 5 seconds to run and do nothing? ;)
[08:52] <larsduesing> hmm
[08:52] <larsduesing> I am running into problems...
[08:52] <larsduesing> *checking again*
[08:53] <larsduesing> nothing had been deleted
[08:53] <larsduesing> *checking*
[08:55] <larsduesing> arghs
[08:56] <larsduesing> in postinst there is an "exit 0" - and dh_installinit is in the last lines
[08:57] <larsduesing> (and I enterered nothing in the config, therefore I ran into the exit 0)
[09:01] <larsduesing> with correct settings it is ok
[09:01] <larsduesing> thanks
[09:01] <larsduesing> so, I'll publish new patch
[09:02] <larsduesing> thanks infinity and pitti (and sorry for so many newbie-questions and -errors... :) )
[09:03] <pitti> larsduesing: np; conffile handling isn't exactly a newbie topic
[09:04] <larsduesing> I learned a bunch of new things... mission accomplished :)
[09:12] <didrocks> dholbach: guten morgen, how are you?
[09:13] <dholbach> hey didrocks
[09:13] <dholbach> good good
[09:13] <dholbach> how about you?
[09:14] <didrocks> dholbach: piloting, seeing that all keywords patch have no changelog, inline patches, not to the correct branch, but well, in easy brain-off mode :)
[09:14] <didrocks> dholbach: I'm trying to get a good text for commenting on them, do you have wiki page handy explaining shortly having a patch in quilt + changelog?
[09:15] <dholbach> didrocks, here's what I did: https://code.launchpad.net/~maxolasersquad/ubuntu/precise/smplayer/add_quicklist/+merge/94500
[09:15] <didrocks> dholbach: ah excellent! was looking for a model :)
[09:15] <didrocks> dholbach: was exactly what I needed, thanks!
[09:15]  * dholbach hugs didrocks
[09:16]  * didrocks hugs dholbach back
[09:16] <dholbach> didrocks, one thing I was wondering about: how are you going to do it? are you going to use their email address or yours?
[09:17] <dholbach> personally, I used theirs, so it would be indicated as their contribution in LP - but I'm not sure how everybody else does it
[09:17] <didrocks> dholbach: well, we will only upload that part of GNOME .91
[09:17] <didrocks> dholbach: as*
[09:17] <dholbach> aha!
[09:17] <didrocks> dholbach: so I'm adding the [ … ]
[09:18] <dholbach> ok :)
[09:18] <didrocks> yeah, the one making the .91 update on the component will win the sponsoring :)
[09:18] <didrocks> not me on the chart :p
[09:18] <didrocks> dholbach: I'm also sending that upstream FYI
[09:18] <didrocks> (as there is no indication it has been done)
[09:19] <dholbach> didrocks, for future reference , I would give them a link to a "forwarding patches to gnome" wiki page, so they do it themselves next time
[09:19] <didrocks> dholbach: yeah, and stating in the merge that it was done :)
[09:19] <dholbach> yeah
[09:19]  * dholbach hugs didrocks
[09:19] <didrocks> right now, doing the call for help is easy and we are taking all the extra load :/
[09:20] <didrocks> so anything in that regard will be appreciate!
[09:20] <didrocks> appreciated :)
[09:20] <dholbach> yes
[09:24] <larsduesing> oh, I'm sort of late, ubuntu is in freeze already...
[10:15] <dholbach> SpamapS, smoser: are you going to figure out https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/precise/sysvinit/rc.local.d/+merge/88323? (I'm trying to get older merge proposals off the list :-))
[10:15] <dholbach> pitti, do you think it'd be OK to reject https://code.launchpad.net/~pali/ubuntu/natty/plymouth/plymouth/+merge/61897 based on broder's comment?
[10:16] <pitti> dholbach: yes, absolutely; there is no chance that we'll upload this
[10:16] <pitti> and not for oneiric anyway
[10:17] <pitti> (rejected)
[10:17] <dholbach> stgraber, are we still going to get https://code.launchpad.net/~sdeziel/ubuntu/oneiric/openvpn/subnet-icmp-disable/+merge/90740 into precise?
[10:17] <dholbach> thanks a lot pitti
[10:18] <Amoz> dholbach, oh hai
[10:18] <dholbach> hey Amoz
[10:21] <Amoz> I'm running precise with latest updates, I think the battery indicator in gnome-shell is freezing, upower reports correct values, restart gnome-shell, batteryindicator shows correct values again
[10:22] <Amoz> how can one debug the indicator?
[10:35] <dholbach> Amoz, you could try asking in #ubuntu-desktop
[10:38] <seb128> dholbach, Amoz: ask #gnome-hackers on irc.gnome.org
[10:39] <seb128> we don't have gnome-shell hackers on #ubuntu-desktop
[10:39] <seb128> oh
[10:39] <seb128> that might be a distro issue, I will respond there
[10:43] <didrocks> can someone reject https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu/precise/vlc/keywords/+merge/95085 please? need to go upstream first
[10:45] <pitti> done
[10:45] <didrocks> thanks pitti :)
[11:14] <dholbach> I'm currently putting together tasks for Fix It Friday (coinciding with Ubuntu Global Jam) - any requests? I was think of http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.status_upstream=resolved_upstream for now
[11:16] <pitti> presumably most of the older bugs on that list have been fixed ages ago; but working on that starting from the newest bugs sounds interesting
[11:18] <nigelb> 24
[11:18] <nigelb> urgh
[11:23] <dholbach> pitti, yeah, and if we can close some of the older bugs during the process, then that's cool too :)
[11:23] <dholbach> "just" a matter of making the instructions clear enough :)
[12:23] <didrocks> @pilot out
[12:51] <bdrung> didrocks: bug #943014
[12:53] <didrocks> bdrung: thanks for the notice
[13:17] <smoser> dholbach, well, slangasek was fairly anti rc.local.d
[13:18] <dholbach> smoser, maybe it should be discussed on the mailing list then? *shrug*
[13:19] <smoser> dholbach, my feelings will not be hurt if you make that disappear from the queeu
[13:19] <smoser> i agree it isn't worht other pilots looking at really.
[13:20] <dholbach> I don't have the necessary powers
[13:20] <smoser> what do you need me to do then?
[13:20] <dholbach> can somebody please reject https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/precise/sysvinit/rc.local.d/+merge/88323? (based on the discussion above)
[13:20] <dholbach> thanks a lot smoser
[13:20] <smoser> work in progress ?
[13:20] <smoser> is that good enough ?
[13:23] <dholbach> it will make it drop off the list
[13:27] <infinity> smoser: I can delete the proposal, is that the sort of rejection you're looking for?
[13:27] <infinity> smoser: Surely you can do that too...
[13:33] <smoser> infinity, i moved it to "workin progress" an that is good enough.
[13:33] <smoser> please do not delete.
[13:34] <infinity> smoser: Alright. ;)
[14:05] <stgraber> dholbach: yes, I have a package ready for upload, waiting for beta-1 freeze to be lifted
[14:05] <stgraber> dholbach: it's in my PPA and already tested
[14:05] <dholbach> awesome
[14:05] <dholbach> :)
[14:10] <Amoz> dholbach, you want a merge proposal or a patch in the bugreport?
[14:10] <Amoz> for the upg
[14:10] <dholbach> Amoz, as you like it - whatever is easier for you
[14:11] <Amoz> dholbach, http://paste.ubuntu.com/861948/
[14:11] <dholbach> thanks Amoz
[14:11] <Amoz> np
[14:12] <Amoz> my bad for not checking it more carefully
[14:12] <Amoz> we fixed it this way last time as well I suppose
[14:13] <dholbach> Amoz, ah, cool
[14:16] <dholbach> Amoz, applied, tested and committed :)
[14:16] <dholbach> good work
[14:16] <Amoz> dholbach, nah you did the work ^^
[14:17] <dholbach> no no
[14:17] <dholbach> I had no idea what I was doing
[14:19] <dholbach> Amoz, did you get your indicator-power query sorted out?
[14:19] <kenvandine> @pilot in
[14:19] <Amoz> dholbach, filed a bug
[14:19]  * dholbach hugs kenvandine
[14:19] <dholbach> Amoz, ok cool
[14:19]  * kenvandine hugs dholbach
[14:19] <stgraber> dholbach: the merge proposal can probably be killed though as the real fix is a merge from Debian
[14:19] <dholbach> stgraber, excellent
[14:20] <dholbach> an somebody please reject https://code.launchpad.net/~sdeziel/ubuntu/oneiric/openvpn/subnet-icmp-disable/+merge/90740?
[14:20] <dholbach> ^ based on the discussion above
[14:39] <pitti> done
[14:46] <tsdgeos> who do i need to ask to move to a newer openjpeg?
[14:46] <tsdgeos> we are two releases behind
[14:47] <tsdgeos> in a project that releases every year or more
[15:30] <slangasek> smoser: I'm not anti rc.local.d, I'm anti putting this in sysvinit ;)
[15:31] <smoser> i kind of realized that when i re-read the conversation
[15:31] <smoser> and updated the bug with a summary in its final comment.
[15:36] <jokerdino> anyone wants to submit a branch on my behalf? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/942476)
[15:36] <jokerdino> i can't ssh in here, the network blocks any port other than 80.
[15:37] <bdmurray> pitti: I've noticed that some python tracebacks reported by apport are missing information bug 942439 is an example
[15:37] <bdmurray> pitti: is missing the source package, version and distrorelease bits at least
[15:38] <pitti> hm, curious -- no idea how this would happen
[15:38] <bdmurray> bug 942888 is another example
[15:39] <bdmurray> this is rather recent
[15:39] <pitti> that at least has a rather weird Dependencies: field
[15:49] <bdmurray> pitti: if you need it another example is bug 940800
[15:50] <pitti> bdmurray: oh, I believe that it's happening now, I just don't know why :/
[15:50] <pitti> I guess something weird with the new async way of collecting information
[15:50] <pitti> ah, no Evan
[15:51] <bdmurray> he's at a conference this week
[15:52] <pitti> so apparently there's some way of sending the report without collecting all the information
[16:08] <diwic> pitti, can I borrow your expert brain for a moment?
[16:15] <pitti> hey diwic, what's up?
[16:16] <diwic> pitti, the stacktrace given by apport seems inconsistent and I'm not sure what I can trust or not
[16:17] <diwic> pitti, in bug 924416, stack trace top is at "drop_block (bq=0xfd6170, q=0x7fede800f440) at pulsecore/memblockq.c:180"
[16:18] <diwic> pitti, it says that q=0x7fede800f440 when the function was called. However, at line "pulsecore/memblockq.c:18" is "pa_assert(q)"
[16:18] <diwic> pitti, which should succeed if q is non-zero.
[16:19] <diwic> pulsecore/memblockq.c:180
[16:22] <diwic> pitti, so how should I go about this?
[16:22] <pitti> hm, I'm as baffled as you; sometimes optimization plays dirty tricks, but SIGABRT very much does sound like an assert failure
[16:22]  * pitti downloads and looks at source
[16:24] <pitti> diwic: hm, it doesn't show the value of bq, is there any chance that it really hits the next assertion, pa_assert(bq->n_blocks >= 1); ?
[16:25] <pitti> diwic: is pa_assert() even active, i. e. do we not build with NDEBUG?
[16:25] <diwic> pitti, I'm pretty certain pa_assert() is active
[16:26] <diwic> pitti, but what technique would I use to verify? I assume gdb is involved somehow :-)
[16:28] <pitti> diwic: at this point it'd be good to get a core dump
[16:29] <diwic> pitti, can we get one from launchpad or is it forever lost?
[16:30] <pitti> it's already a month old, so I think it's gone for good
[16:31] <diwic> pitti, bug 932178 is from 14 feb if that helps (it's a duplicate)
[16:31] <pitti> diwic: if I read macros.h correctly, pa_assert_se should drop a log message into pulse's log; is that anywhere in teh attachments?
[16:32] <diwic> pitti, no, I think it should be in /var/log/syslog though, we might want to apport-collect that...
[16:32] <pitti> diwic: Eric says he gets it a few times a day; perhaps he can attach the .crash report the next time it happens, then we'll have it for closer inspection
[16:33] <pitti> diwic: oh, I had expected ~/.xsession-errors
[16:35] <diwic> pitti, good idea. that would be in /var/crash/apport something?
[16:35] <pitti> diwic: yes, /var/crash/_usr_bin_pulseaudio.1000.crash presumably
[16:36] <pitti> cd
[16:36] <diwic> cd ?
[16:36] <Amoz> compact disc
[16:37] <Amoz> or see directory ? :)
[16:39] <diwic> pitti, ok, I will update the bug and ask for this information. Thanks!
[16:40] <pitti> diwic: thanks; sorry that I cannot be more helpful
[16:41] <diwic> pitti, both you and apport is already very helpful, so don't feel bad about it :-)
[16:50] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[16:56] <cnd> bdmurray, do you have instructions on how to use set_serial for wacom touchscreens?
[16:56] <slangasek> pitti: bug #828731> no, kexec-tools hasn't been accepted into lucid-proposed...
[16:57] <slangasek> pitti: should I go ahead and accept the lucid/natty versions?
[16:58] <pitti> slangasek: odd, it had a comment; click failure :/ please do, thanks
[16:58] <bdmurray> cnd: this is all I have http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=103
[16:59] <cnd> bdmurray, ok, thanks!
[16:59] <slangasek> bdmurray: so I can comment on bug #659438, but hit a timeout trying to move the bug to 'triaged', bah
[16:59] <bdmurray> slangasek: might work via the api which task?
[17:00] <slangasek> bdmurray: the devel task for aptdaemon (Ubuntu)
[17:01] <bdmurray> slangasek: re bug 937638 its duplicate bug 937630 also seems to have hardware errors
[17:01] <slangasek> bdmurray: right, those two are from the same submitter; there was another one, let me find it
[17:01] <bdmurray> ah, got it
[17:02] <slangasek> bdmurray: bug #938306
[17:07] <bdmurray> slangasek: what about EXT2-fs (loop1): error: ext2_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 64092 ?
[17:09] <slangasek> bdmurray: well, it's not a hardware error in that case - may simply be fs corruption
[17:11] <SpamapS> I just love mdadm.. 44,000 lines of C, about 9 lines of comment
[17:15] <SpamapS>     if (ioctl(fd, GET_ARRAY_INFO, &array) != 0 ||
[17:15] <SpamapS>         array.raid_disks <= 0)
[17:15] <SpamapS>         return 0;
[17:15] <SpamapS> So.. either there aren't enough disks, or the ioctl exploded. Either way.. lets just fail the same way. <sigh>
[17:39] <infinity> SpamapS: By "not enough disks", you mean "no disks", which is equavalent to "no array at all", which may well be about the same as GET_ARRAY_INFO returning a failure.
[17:40] <infinity> SpamapS: Looks more like just covering their bases for all the different "vaguely undefined" ways that an array can not exist.
[17:41] <infinity> SpamapS: (I do like that the check accepts the possibility that there may be a negative number of disks, though)
[17:52] <SpamapS> infinity: I'm fairly certain that in this case the ioctl is complaining because the array is degraded.. but I really have no good way to prove that. :-P
[17:54] <infinity> SpamapS: GET_ARRAY_INFO should return info on a valid array, surely.
[17:54] <infinity> SpamapS: Even a degraded one.
[17:55] <SpamapS> infinity: in that case, it should have set the number of disks to 1, not 0
[17:55] <infinity> You'd think.
[17:55] <infinity> Unless the array just plain doesn't exist from mdadm's POV.
[17:56] <SpamapS> its also possible the disc.major != 0 or the disc.minor != 0
[17:56] <SpamapS> thats in another part of the code
[17:56]  * SpamapS is writing a tiny version of mdadm's ioctls to determine that right now. :p
[17:56] <SpamapS> would be nice if the program actually reported *why* it can't re-add this disk
[19:21] <bdmurray> mvo: so I was unable to recreate bug 659438 do you have any other ideas on how to test it?
[19:29] <SpamapS> [  172.326867] mdadm: sending ioctl 1261 to a partition!
[19:29] <SpamapS> Interesting..
[19:32] <mvo> bdmurray: unfortunately not
[19:32] <mvo> bdmurray: thanks a bunch for the test though
[19:37] <bdmurray> mvo: do you think the bug should be left open?
[19:41] <dupondje> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/936629 why is this marked incomplete?
[19:42] <dupondje> got the same issue today
[19:42] <dupondje> if you need some debugging
[19:42] <mvo> bdmurray: if its still collecting dupes then I would say yes :/
[19:43] <dupondje> tkamppeter: seems like you set it on inc
[20:20] <kenvandine> @pilot out
[20:57] <tkamppeter> dupondje, you are welcome to helpon the bug, simply answer my questions and supply the information which I have asked for from the original poster.
[21:03] <dupondje> tkamppeter: tried it again, but unable to simulate it now
[21:03] <dupondje> btw, I have the gs command that was executed
[21:03] <dupondje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/862514/
[21:20] <bdmurray> slangasek: regarding bug 849414 is there anyway to just make 'plymouth:debug' the default for a while?
[21:20] <slangasek> bdmurray: we could, but I don't believe that would actually help us narrow it down
[21:20] <slangasek> the backtraces all point to a signal handler gone rogue
[21:21] <slangasek> and we know we have an Ubuntu-specific signal handler that we need to get rid of
[21:32] <barry> slangasek: so bug 941172.  i can easily update the version numbers, but i think it would be useful to link to bryceh 's description in comment #4.  only i'm not sure whether to move that text to the wiki and add a link to that, or just link to the comment in the bug.  thoughts?
[21:34] <slangasek> barry: I guess the wiki would be better
[21:34] <barry> slangasek: agreed. i'm inclined to just copy that whole text to the wiki, mark it up minimally, and link to that
[21:34] <bryceh> barry, yeah put it in wiki.  the text should be trimmed down a lot, it was just a brain dump and is probably TMI
[21:35] <barry> bryceh: okay, i'll do that, thanks.  i'll follow up with the wiki url once that's done
[23:04] <dupondje> apport-bug is broken - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/943661
[23:22] <tkamppeter> dupondje, thanks. I have subscribed you to the bug now. Please provide any further information through the bug report, especially whether "sudo aa-complain cupsd" eliminates your problem completely.
[23:24] <micahg> tkamppeter: that also removes apparmor protection from the cups daemon and is not recommended
[23:24] <seb128> it's seems fair enough to run once to see if that workaround a bug to know if the bug is due to restrictions
[23:25] <tkamppeter> micahg, I ask the users only for doing this to determine whether their printing got really blocked by AppArmor. I do not consider the bug fixed when it works with aa-complain.
[23:25] <micahg> sure
[23:25] <micahg> tkamppeter: ok, but I didn't see that note :)
[23:43] <SpamapS> slangasek: opinion sought.. mdadm has added some checks that prevent one from re-hot-adding out of sync former-members of a RAID array without zeroing the superblock..
[23:44] <SpamapS> slangasek: I have a feeling this is unintended consequences of some other check...
[23:45] <SpamapS> slangasek: 1) how much do we care (at worst, this means people will always have to do a full sync instead of a catch up), and b) if we care, do we push back to Debian or ???
[23:46] <slangasek> er, I think all my information about mdadm is out of date.  what's the difference between a full sync and a catch-up, here?
[23:46] <slangasek> I mean, doesn't mdadm just know that they're out of sync, and has no choice but to overwrite?
[23:52] <SpamapS> slangasek: yes, so this may be a kernel issue too.
[23:52] <SpamapS> slangasek: mdadm tells the kernel to re-add a disk to an array
[23:53] <SpamapS> slangasek: in the past that was fine. but in this case, mdadm looks at the disk and says "no, its no good for adding, please zero the superblock"
[23:53] <slangasek> right
[23:53] <SpamapS> slangasek: I'm more looking for how much we care about this, because the debugging effort will be brutal.
[23:53] <SpamapS> slangasek: in the new case.. it seems mdadm is being more careful, so I'm ok with it.
[23:53] <slangasek> we care about mdadm working smoothly
[23:54] <slangasek> but I'm deathly afraid of touching that code at all this cycle
[23:56] <SpamapS> slangasek: the scenario that has bothered me for a while is where I break a mirror temporarily, and the put the disk back in. I've always felt md should re-sync that, but it never seems to
[23:56] <slangasek> well
[23:56] <slangasek> in past cycles, you would have counted yourself fortunate to have it just fail to resync
[23:57] <slangasek> because we have had some data corruption bugs related to hot remove/add
[23:57] <SpamapS> Yeah, I think its more careful now
[23:57] <slangasek> so I wouldn't recommend trying to address this without coordinating with upstream+Debian
[23:59] <SpamapS> I'm not really looking to touch it at all


[16:15] <abentley> on call: abentley || reviewing: - || queue: [] || This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ || https://code.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+activereviews
[16:34] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: I had a few questions about your branch. I think in general it is ready to land: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~edwin-grubbs/launchpad/bug-490593-configure-involvement-portlet/+merge/21524
[16:34] <sinzui> I can change the status after your reply
[17:08] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: the relation between the "Report a bug" link and the "Configure bug tracker" link is obvious, but a user might not understand that the "Ask a question" will be enabled with "Configure support tracker". This is one reason it was simpler to just put edit buttons next to the original links instead of at the bottom where they need their own verbage. Perhaps, "Ask a question" should be changed to "Get support" or "Ask
[17:08] <EdwinGrubbs> for support".
[17:09] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: yes. true. You had remarked in the review earlier that you did not know what to do with questions since other projects do not have them. This is wrong since answers is a support trackers and lots of project and companies have the,
[17:10] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: We do not need to change the term, but that term is more understandable for all projects, not just the few that use Launchpad for hosting
[17:12] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: The matter is not important since support tracking is not important to Ubuntu
[17:26] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: Here is the full list of link name pairs, since I don't want to fix all the tests until these are agreed upon: "Report a bug"->"Configure bug tracker", "Ask a question"->"Configure support tracker", "Help translate"->"Configure translations", "Submit code"->"Configure upstream branch", "Register a blueprint"->"Coinfigure blueprints"
[17:27] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: s/Coinfigure/Configure/
[17:28] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: "Configure upstream branch" is strictly from a distro perspective, not the project. We can go back to "project branch" or be correct in launchpad terms and mean "development branch"
[17:37] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: I do not think we need to speculate on the terms futher until we get user feedback on edge.
[17:43] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: I'll use "Configure project branch" then, since "development branch" could mean anything as opposed to "development focus branch"
[17:44] <sinzui> okay
[19:52] <abentley> on call: - || reviewing: -|| queue: [] || This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ || https://code.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+activereviews


[17:26] <Kilos> hi guys,
[18:18] <inetpro> good evening
[18:18] <pavlushka> inetpro: good evening :)
[18:18] <inetpro> oh wow, pavlushka is still alive even :-)
[18:19] <inetpro> how are you doing?
[18:19] <pavlushka> inetpro:  even there was an earthquake?
[18:19] <inetpro> nope, you have just been very quiet
[18:19] <pavlushka> inetpro: I stopped shaking long before, now I am still.
[18:24] <pavlushka> inetpro: https://twitter.com/kokrajhar_town/status/1039782105398427648
[18:26] <pavlushka> happens in every 18 years
[18:26] <pavlushka> inetpro: I miss you literally, on irc lately
[18:27] <pavlushka> and the people become rare on irc, there must be some explanation, may be chesedo can explain it.
[18:28] <pavlushka> If I am not wrong, he published a statistical study in Ubuntu may be?
[18:31] <inetpro> I guess it's partly due to extra functionality that is offered by other clients like slack, mattermost and such
[18:34] <inetpro> simple things like responding to a conversation so you can see the thread in full context
[18:34] <pavlushka> inetpro: you worked with mattermost server?
[18:36] <inetpro> I have a local gitlab installation at the office with mattermost for real-time chat
[18:40] <inetpro> I'm also on the ZATech team on slack, though not always very active there
[18:41] <inetpro> another small nicety with both slack and mattermost is that you simply press the up key to edit and correct your last posting
[18:50] <inetpro> I still wish we could do that with twitter, even if the edit function is only available for a few minutes after a posting
[18:55] <pavlushka> cool
[18:58] <pavlushka> inetpro: seen maaz or QA?
[18:58] <inetpro> oh my, no
[18:59] <inetpro> not sure whether we still need those anymore
[19:00] <pavlushka> inetpro: why? are those resource heavy? or the meeting thing is over?
[19:01] <pavlushka> inetpro: not attacking, not personal, so it appears like no community, no new peeps, no passing on!
[19:01] <inetpro> exactly, we simply don't have the users coming here these days
[19:02] <inetpro> sad but true
[19:02] <pavlushka> inetpro: I recollect your taking a meeting chair silently and later I missed almost every meetings miraculously
[19:03] <inetpro> way too many distractions
[19:05] <inetpro> maybe superfly's fault as well :-)
[19:06] <inetpro> him and other peeps now using debian more than ubuntu
[19:07] <inetpro> I should perhaps also migrate to debian
[19:10] <pavlushka> power cut
[19:11] <pavlushka> So the user cacooncrunch is gone with his bot, that is maaz.
[19:24] <inetpro> pavlushka: yep, I guess he gave up on irc
[19:26] <pavlushka> inetpro: that was supposed to happen someday but there is no replacement, that's the feature deprecation.
[19:26] <pavlushka> inetpro: but hey, its not over yet :)
[19:27] <pavlushka> may be someday someone will provide one. You never know and me too.
[19:27] <pavlushka> again
[19:28] <pavlushka> may be irc is just on low tide.
[19:36] <inetpro> maybe
[19:54] <superfly> inetpro: it's always my fault
[19:55] <inetpro> haha :-)
[19:56] <inetpro> superfly: glad that you are still lurking here at least
[19:56] <superfly> folks tend to be on here during my work hours, so I don't get to chat
[19:58] <inetpro> you mean on other freenode channels?
[20:01] <inetpro> superfly: while you are here, you mind explaining something for me
[20:01] <inetpro> how do packages from repositories in debian eventually land on debian?
[20:02] <inetpro> I'm specifically looking at something like ovirt-guest-agent at the moment
[20:02] <inetpro> https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=ovirt-guest-agent
[20:03] <inetpro> with our recent upgrade of ovirt to v4.2 the guest agent is no longer working
[20:03] <superfly> Packages get built and then uploaded, usually to unstable. After 10 days or 2 weeks of no issues, those packages get automatically migrated to testing. Once every two years, all the packages in testing are migrated into stable and a release is made.
[20:04] <inetpro> using it as was explained at https://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/users/2016-May/039736.html
[20:04] <superfly> The maintainers of the package will do the building and uploading
[20:04]  * inetpro should perhaps have a chat with Vinzenz Feenstra
[20:05] <superfly> Totally. Send him an e-mail, I'm pretty sure he'll be happy to help out. I'd say a good 90% of Red Hatters are very friendly and helpful. Probably more, but I gotta be conservative ;-)
[20:05] <superfly> inetpro: that post is from 2016 though
[20:06] <superfly> inetpro: so things could have changed since then
[20:06] <inetpro> the version on his repo is at <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:06] <superfly> right, I see.
[20:06] <superfly> inetpro: what is the problem you're having?
[20:06] <inetpro> see: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/evilissimo:/ubuntu:/16.04/xUbuntu_16.04/
[20:07] <inetpro> superfly: I see the version on the debain repositories goes up to 1.0.13
[20:07] <inetpro> debian*
[20:08] <superfly> yep, in unstrable and testing
[20:08] <superfly> s/unstrable/unstable/
[20:09] <inetpro> I'm assuming that even v<IP_ADDRESS> would perhaps work better for us
[20:09] <superfly> inetpro: what are you running it on?
[20:10] <inetpro> we're still running Ubuntu 16.04 server
[20:11] <superfly> inetpro: The package doesn't seem to depend on particular versions of anything, you can try downloading it and installing it. https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/ovirt-guest-agent/download
[20:11] <inetpro> will have to start testing 18.04 asap
[20:12] <superfly> It's always a good idea to start testing as soon as the first point release comes out.
[20:13] <inetpro> superfly: thanks for the suggestion, I'll try that asap in the morning
[20:13] <superfly> inetpro: sudo dpkg -i <file>
[20:13] <inetpro> yeah that makes sense
[20:13] <superfly> then run sudo apt -f install afterward to make sure it has everything
[20:14] <inetpro> good point, thanks for that as well
[20:18] <inetpro> info about the guest agent (just FYI): https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/internal/guest-agent/understanding-guest-agents-and-other-tools/
[20:21] <inetpro> documentation needs a bit of updating as well, as usual
[20:21] <inetpro> How to install the guest agent in Ubuntu: https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/how-to/guest-agent/install-the-guest-agent-in-ubuntu/
[20:21] <pavlushka> Good night Za
[20:22] <inetpro> good night pav[tab]... oops, too late
[20:59] <inetpro> superfly: the new version doesn't actually fix the issues I'm having
[20:59] <superfly> inetpro: perhaps the more pertinent question to ask then is, "what issues are you having?"
[21:00] <inetpro> well, a little research takes me to the heart of it with the following reference
[21:00] <inetpro> https://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/users/2018-January/086101.html
[21:05] <superfly> inetpro: are you seeing the same issues?
[21:06] <superfly> inetpro: and did you look at the bug in Red Hat's bugzilla?
[21:07] <inetpro> by the looks the message above basically summarises the fix, but I just did that and the service is still not starting... but I'm still trying to figure out why
[21:09] <inetpro> got it running now
[21:10] <inetpro> after doing apt install ovirt-guest-agent --reinstall
[21:10] <superfly> hrm, perhaps it was a config problem
[21:11] <inetpro> thanks for the help
[21:12] <inetpro> will have to check it out on a clean install and then figure how I can automate the base install going forward


[11:12] <Yega> Hey guys, is it possible to get some help writing a #cloud-init script that installs npm, node, yarn on a Azure build agent?
[11:13] <Yega> I got as far as installing the packages but its now complaining about the permissions and version of node
[12:57] <cjp256> anyone familiar with https://lists.launchpad.net/yahoo-eng-team/msg84992.html ? It seems to refer a bug on launchpad that isn't public.   While I think it can be addressed on RHEL like it has on Ubuntu with updated service configs,  I'm wondering if instead of `mount -a` cloud-init should only be mounting the devices it added to fstab?
[15:08] <falcojr> cjp256: It got moved private because logs with PII were uploaded. There isn't a whole lot of additional context in the ticket. It looks like Anh was involved with some previous conversations, so he might have some more context as well
[15:33] <blackboxsw> man something is really crawling for me today on sbulid runs. It's taking me 10 mins to get a build locally to test our latest ubunut jammy upload
[17:16] <blackboxsw> falcojr: SRU of cloud-init status --wait hotfix branches look good, I'm wrapping up sbuild run on impish and will queue uploads into B, F I proposed right afterward
[18:37] <jdv> is there a way to dump the merged cloud cfg?
[19:51] <blackboxsw> jdv: for merged config from disk  (as in merged config from filesystem at /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/*)  `sudo cloud-init query merged_cfg` if you are talking about the fully merged configuration which also includes datasource vendor_data && user_data etc. I'll dig up a one-off python invocation that'll help.. But it's not yet exposed easily in the cloud-init commandline
[19:52] <blackboxsw> `sudo cloud-init query userdata; sudo cloud-init query vendordata; sudo cloud-init query ds.meta_data` also give you aspects to some of those individual components
[20:35] <blackboxsw> falcojr: uploads to bionic, focal, impish just got approved for hotfix SRU on `cloud-init status --wait` behavior. I've also just dput them to ppa:cloud-nit-dev/proposed
[20:36] <falcojr> blackboxsw: great, thanks!
[20:36] <blackboxsw> once packages are up we can manually run CLOUD_INIT_PLATFORM=lxd_container CLOUD_INIT_CLOUD_INIT_SOURCE=PROPOSED CLOUD_INIT_OS_IMAGE=impish tox -e integration-tests  tests/integration_tests/cmd/test_status.py on each series and mark verification done
[21:16] <blackboxsw> falcojr: minor thought on how we do pinning, just because our original pin for rtd modules is not antiquated a bit
[21:16] <blackboxsw> s/not/now/


[17:51] <chilicuil> good day, I'm looking at bug #1269116 and I see there exist a modified.conffile..etc.xdg.autostart.indicator.datetime.desktop.txt file attached, does it means that file was modified (from default configuration) ?
[17:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1269116 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "indicator-datetime not started witn my system" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1269116
[20:55] <penguin42> brilliant bug comment 'If it goes in order of artist, why does it go: Bach --> Guns N' Roses --> AC/DC ?'
[21:00] <teward> heh


[03:22] <hammommah> easy question.. im new at this java stuff. got string var call "name" need to set char var to first letter in "name" whats the easiest way to do this?
[12:50] <sirnur> http://pastie.org/3518114
[12:50] <sirnur> help please
[12:51] <sirnur> i need to write to the map from another class


[12:59] <Lax> Hi
[12:59] <man-di> moin
[01:00] <Lax> anyone got experience with drjava
[01:00] <man-di> waht is drjava?
[01:01] <Lax> java editor
[01:01] <Lax> http://drjava.org/
[01:01] <man-di> its upstream description looks like its like beanshell
[01:02] <Lax> it just wont work..
[01:02] <man-di> that is not a good error description
[01:02] <Lax> installed jdk1.6, but it cant find compiler and preference tab wont open
[01:03] <man-di> update-java-alternatives?
[01:04] <Lax> what is that
[01:04] <Lax> been using ubuntu for 1 week...
[01:04] <man-di> its a tool to configure the system wide Java installation to use when running java
[01:06] <Lax> what syntax should i use?
[01:06] <Lax> -a?
[01:07] <Lax> it lists only 1 java pack
[01:07] <man-di> which one?
[01:07] <Lax> java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun
[01:07] <man-di> okay
[01:08] <man-di> then its already used
[01:08] <man-di> then I dont know, sorry
[01:08] <Lax> :/
[01:08] <man-di> might be that drjava has some bugs with SUN JDK 6
[01:08] <Lax> i tried jdk5
[01:08] <Lax> and it was working with jdk6 in windows :(
[01:09] <man-di> do you have some error mesage that drjava has printed on stdout?
[01:09] <Lax> no
[01:10] <man-di> some java software ask for windows specific java classes (the windows LAF)
[01:10] <man-di> thats considered to be very ugly
[01:10] <Lax> strange. its has been developed for linux/unix
[01:11] <Lax> do you know of any other simple java editor that can compile
[01:14] <man-di> I personally use eclipse
[01:15] <man-di> jedit can probably do this too
[01:32] <Lax> im gonna try using gcj instead
[01:32] <Lax> see if it helps


[13:02] <ikonia> how can I validate the GIO config for i2c and spi
[13:03] <ikonia> just moved my little dev project to ubuntu and before I start dealing with the many failures, I want to make sure the basics are right
[13:03] <ikonia> waveform I apprecaite what you said about raspi-config, so I'm not messing with that at this stage
[13:07] <ikonia> I assume /boot/config.txt is supported with ubuntu 20.04 (I think someone confirmed this last time I asked)
[13:08] <ikonia> (it looks like it's in /boot/firmware/config,txt)
[13:16] <waveform> ikonia, yup -- the location on ubuntu is /boot/firmware/config.txt because that's where we mount the boot partition. The one thing to be aware of is that, up to (and including) focal (20.04) u-boot is *also* in the boot sequence so config.txt configures the raspberry pi bootloader, but it *doesn't* configure things like the kernel command line because it's just loading u-boot which then takes over and handles loading the kernel, constructing the
[13:16] <waveform> kernel command line etc. From groovy (20.10) onwards the ubuntu boot sequence is much more "traditional" (at least for pis) using just the pi bootloader
[13:18] <waveform> as for how you can tell I2C and SPI are loaded -- if /dev/spidev0.* is present then spi=on is active in the base overlay. Likewise if /dev/i2c-1 is present, then i2c_arm=on is active in the base overlay (those devices won't appear otherwise)
[13:20] <ikonia> thanks waveform


 passthrough is so hard to setup though.
 depending on the GPU I think.
 Just to make you laugh, installed amd proprietary driver, broke x. Or course.
 Of*
 @govatent, Fix X?
[03:47] <floridagram-bot> <Luke Van Dervoort> Apt purge amd-crap startx cross fingers
 Is there much benefit to the amdgpu drivers vs later mesa?
 Lol it was a fresh install of pop os so I just wiped it. Did some research, not worth using the proprietary drivers
 @govatent, Aw, wanted to ask if a fresh xorg.conf (or lack thereof) made a difference
 No idea how ubuntu does it these days with X configs
 In my particular case having just converted to team red in the gpu dept -- no xorg fo life
 Or is it even X now? With more recent GNOME releases, isn't it wayland by default?
[04:02] <floridagram-bot> <Luke Van Dervoort> Still dont think wayland is default
 wattttttttttttttttt
 typo'd date cmd
 came out 'ddate'
 and got.. results
 'Today is Sweetmorn, the 36th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3185'
[22:15] <maxolasersquad> This explenation by the Cemu developer on why he is not open-sourcing the project is a master-class in misunderstanding how and why open source works. https://www.reddit.com/r/cemu/comments/3ou88k/rcemu_is_now_open/cw146xg/
[22:16] <maxolasersquad> I respect his decision to not open source the code, but his reasons are all misunderstandings in the most frustrating of ways.
 Hey everyone, a couple of us are doing this year's Autism Speaks Walk next month and it would be awesome if you could spare like $5 to https://www.facebook.com/donate/524966044596011/ thanks!


[00:09] <pleia2> I've been to noisebridge a few times, some of they are very good folks
[00:09] <pleia2> had a pretty terrible experience following an installfest there once though, not keen on going back


[03:46] <spikebike> I have the dreaded gutsy upgrade nvidia machine to hardy
[03:46] <spikebike> GLX no workie 8-(
[03:47] <spikebike> Failed to initialize the GLX module
[03:49] <spikebike> oops this looks like the wrong channel
[11:44] <MacSlow> hm... epiphany does not load any page (local or remote) anymore... firefox has no problems on the otherhand
[20:59] <mariusss> ted1: In your vision, when do you think the Ubuntu desktop will be like the current Mac OS X one?
[20:59] <ted1> Heh, I don't think it will be like the current OS X one.
[20:59] <SgtMuffins> ted1: are you using ubuntu 8.04 right now?
[20:59] <mariusss> why not?
[20:59] <ted1> But I hope that we get as polished before the next LTS.
[20:59] <mariusss> yes
[20:59] <ted1> SgtMuffins: yes.
[20:59] <mariusss> but I have AWN and other goodies
[21:00] <ted1> I guess it simply comes down to that we should be an OS X clone, we should take good ideas.  Not all of those come from Apple.
[21:01] <ted1> I love a lot of things Apple does, but hate others.
[21:01] <mariusss> for example I have a ripple effect for Pidgin, when someone sends me a message.... this feature is not available in OS X
[21:01] <mariusss> AWN is a good idea :D
[21:02] <mariusss> why not invest more time in the development of it, instead of trying to repair or fix the current GNOME Panel's bugs
[21:02] <mariusss> and we are also talking here about a good looking OS ;) Because, right now... GNOME looks more like a Win 2000... not even XP :(
[21:02] <mariusss> do you agree?
[21:03] <ted1> Well, with the current release cycle, we didn't want to do things that were drastic.  So we were definitely sticking with GNOME Panel.
[21:03] <ted1> But, it think that moving away from it is on the table at UDS.
[21:03] <mariusss> I see
[21:03] <ted1> But, I want to say that we're not focused on "Use program X" we're focused on "this is what we want to build, how can we get there."
[21:04] <mariusss> I understand
[21:04] <ted1> And if the GNOME panel is going the same route, it might be easier for us to ride that horse, as it is likely to always be more integrated with GNOME upstream.
[21:04] <ted1> I'm not saying it is or isn't, but we haven't decided on the user experience yet, so it's hard to say.
[21:05] <ted1> I would say in general I consider the Ubuntu Desktop already more consistent and usable than Windows, and I think our goals are to conquer OS X.
[21:05] <Nafallo> ted1: +1
[21:06] <SgtMuffins> agreed
[21:06] <mariusss> ok, in my vision... where I want Ubuntu to be is: a dock without the upper panel (like in OS X) with the basic stuff and utilities...
[21:07] <ted1> The problem with that is that dock doesn't scale.  If you have a hundred applications you use regularly, how does that work?
[21:07] <mariusss> A dock means a lot, it is very powerful... for example: you know where an application icon is located all the time....
[21:07] <ted1> Also, I think in general people are more document focused than application focused.
[21:07] <ted1> Well, applications don't move in the menus :)
[21:07] <mariusss> not the menus :)
[21:08] <mariusss> the panel
[21:08] <ted1> The question comes down to, how can we make what people do most of the time easy to do.
[21:08] <mariusss> exactly
[21:08] <mariusss> :)
[21:08] <ted1> And I think the dock does that for a case where you only have a few applications you use, but it doesn't scale to having large amounts of documents and applications.
[21:09] <ted1> Apple tried with stacks, but I think that's just silly.
[21:10] <mariusss> I don't know.... but I told you, I am using a dock for some time now, both at work and home (with Ubuntu 8.04 on them) and there is NO WAY I am going back to the old GNOME panel... it can't offer the easiness and the power of a dock :)
[21:12] <oblique63_> thats one opinion...
[21:12] <ted1> I think in general, the menus don't work for commonly used applications.  I think we can agree on that.
[21:13] <oblique63_> I mean, I use the dock a lot too, but even I have to admit its mostly because it just looks nicer, not really anything to do with usability
[21:13] <mariusss> another example would be the one when someone accidentally opens two or more instances of an application (image Firefox, who eats a lot of ram)... what happens then? I will tell you because I know.... the system barely moves...  Well, this will not happen with a dock :D
[21:13] <ted1> I don't know that the answer is a dock-like thing.
[21:13] <ted1> mariusss: That's an application thing, it doesn't mater what the application viewing UI is.
[21:13] <ted1> mariusss: On OSX I can get multiple of the same icon on the dock easily enough.
[21:14] <mariusss> stacks sucks!
[21:14] <mariusss> :)
[21:14] <oblique63_> at least they 'look' cool
[21:19] <mariusss> AWN with about 50 icons -> http://img63378.pictiger.com/images/15108977/z/ :)
[21:20] <oblique63_> lol
[21:20] <oblique63_> yeah, thats totally usable....
[21:22] <mariusss> :))
[21:23] <mariusss> GNOME Panel with the same icons -> http://img63378.pictiger.com/images/15109057/z/ :)
[21:24] <mariusss> I still think the dock is more usable :)
[21:25] <mariusss> ted1: thank you for answering my questions!
[21:26] <ted1> mariusss: You should turn on grouping when space is limited.
[21:27] <ted1> mariusss: No problem!


[10:36] <zxmpi> a gloomy monday appears
[18:37] <m0nkey_> don't be surprised if you see the same jibber-jabber from my alt account, davef.
[18:38] <zxmpi> ack
[18:40] <davef> testing, 1..2.. check. hello?
[18:41] <zxmpi> good moaning
[18:48] <davef> good moaning, i will say this only once.. the chimp has left the banana in the pantry.
[18:49] <zxmpi> i was just pissing by
[19:34] <diddledani> Too loot, the bummer is already on the wee
[19:34] <diddledani> I have a mop if you would like to take a leak
[19:45] <davef> I'm in on the OpenZFS developer summit.. S3 backed ZFS pools. Pretty cool.
[21:56]  * daftykins makes a mental note
[21:56] <zxmpi> buy backup chocolate oranges
[21:59] <daftykins> heh
[21:59] <daftykins> i'm currently on another Ben and Jerrys kick since they are half price again
[22:00] <zxmpi> probably clearing freezer space if there's not much call in winter
[22:05]  * penguin42 should buy some more chocolate, I'm down to only about 2-3kg
[22:06] <zxmpi> dangerously low levels with crimbo on the horizon. you'd have to watch our lord and saviour save the world in latest bond movie with no chocolate?!
[22:06] <daftykins> nah they have permanent spots, there seem to be a few sales throughout the year
[22:06] <daftykins> finest times to buy :D
[22:07] <zxmpi> i have never tried ben and jerry's icecream
[22:07] <zxmpi> might pick up a small container off for crimbo day
[22:07] <penguin42> they seem to do overly complex things
[22:08] <penguin42> it's a shame that Thornton's chocolate ice cream is presumably no more
[22:09] <zxmpi> it's a real shame cadburys flake is now so waxy that a 99 tastes totally different.
[22:11] <daftykins> i have cookie dough (which isn't all that fancy) and Phish Food at the moment
[22:12]  * penguin42 is more used to Haagen Daaz's belgian chocolate
[22:12] <penguin42> it's my general philisophy on ice cream generally of course
[22:13] <daftykins> i'll have to undertake more research!
[22:14] <zxmpi> throwing yourself on the haagen daaz grenade to save others. that's how you want to be remembered :-D
[22:14] <daftykins> hehehe
[22:14] <daftykins> "stand back, i've got this!"
[22:15] <zxmpi> attacking it with your trusty spork
[22:55]  * penguin42 had carried a teaspoon in summer, just in case a pot of icecream found it's way to me
[22:56] <daftykins> :D


[08:33] <juliank> slangasek: I'm not pitti, but I can say that the coverage of the diff from 1.0.7 to 1.0.10 is 76%, with the average code coverage improving to 83.88% - https://codecov.io/gh/borgbackup/borg/compare/f32c885...e5f712129685e02a6755fa53f1546a66e842b215/diff - that would make me fairly confident.
[08:34] <juliank> That link really should have been in the SRU bug IMO
[08:35] <juliank> There's one part that is not well tested, which is the newly adding importing of paperkeys. If that's broken, that would not cause a regression, though.
[10:10] <erle-> Why is “unattended-upgrades” updated so often recently?
[10:10] <erle-> And why is it called upgrades rather than updates in the first place?
[10:52] <JanC> erle-: did you read the changelog?
[12:25] <rbasak> erle-: probably because "update" and "upgrade" have specific meanings in the context of apt.
[21:59] <slangasek> juliank: well, I don't think unit test code coverage ever tells the whole story, but that's useful info, thanks