[05:42] <knightwise> good morning everyone
[06:48] <knightwise> morning peeps
[06:49] <knightwise> good morning SWAT
[06:49] <zmoylan-pi> bank holiday monday...
[06:53] <WhishkeyKing> Woke Up . suddenly realised = I've no plans today. What's a geek to do ?
[06:54] <knightwise> WhishkeyKing: good question. Go outside ? take a walk ?
[06:56] <WhishkeyKing> coffe shop ? all good ideas. I dont want vampires from the election-crappolo anyway .. http://i.imgur.com/1K5Jhyd.png
[06:57] <WhishkeyKing> **coffee .. sorry did I swear, sorry 'bout that.
[06:58] <SWAT> knightwise: good morning
[06:59] <WhishkeyKing> knightwise: wat was your last podcast about ? I enjoyed the starwars one. v. much
[07:05] <knightwise> thanx WhishkeyKing tyhe last one was about the death of leonard nimoy
[07:05] <knightwise> we will be starting with season 3 next week
[07:14] <WhishkeyKing> Right back from the Co-op shop.
[07:14] <WhishkeyKing> and ... and .. I simply cannot wait for the nice young Lady to do the stickers for reduced bread, today.
[07:15]  * WhishkeyKing Is facing an onslaught of advanced procrastination.
[07:16] <WhishkeyKing> Managed to get 400g of Strawberries for 50p though - so It's all good.
[07:47] <WhishkeyKing> My keyboard mapping is a mess - How do solve this ?
[07:48] <WhishkeyKing> pounds sign is #
[07:48] <WhishkeyKing> quote sign is @
[07:48] <knightwise> apple keyboard ,
[07:48] <knightwise> ?
[07:48] <WhishkeyKing> and'at' sign is "
[07:48] <WhishkeyKing> no compaq standard isssue keyboard.
[07:50] <WhishkeyKing> Oh I found out what the problem/s was with "my Life" , today ... It's StarWars day - figures.
[07:50] <shauno> if @ and " are switched, it usually means you're using a US keymap on a UK keyboard, or vice versa
[07:52] <WhishkeyKing> riight but what gives in terms of changing it ?
[07:56] <zmoylan-pi> change the country option usually
[07:57] <WhishkeyKing> Ruight, but how do I do that action ?
[07:58] <zmoylan-pi> in xubuntu start -> all settings -> keyboard -> layout
[08:09] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:11] <dutchie> morning
[08:13] <brobostigon> morning dutchie
[08:30] <WhishkeyKing> What am I supposed to do now, brainz ? http://imgur.com/MbpAuKD
[08:31] <zmoylan-pi> change the keyboard layout to uk or what ever layout you have
[08:37] <WhishkeyKing> got it -It's UK, extended WinKeys , that's a plus for today , then . http://imgur.com/MbpAuKD
[08:38] <zmoylan-pi> \o/ hurumble
[08:40]  * zmoylan-pi goes back to banging head against perl...
[08:50] <brobostigon> :(
[09:03] <WhishkeyKing> Time to play some Dark forces. (I got the pack) http://www.gog.com/game/star_wars_dark_forces
[09:04] <knightwise> just reinstalled windows 8.1 on my surface pro. Had been running ubuntu on it for a while but the wifi performance was horrible
[09:04] <knightwise> resorted to running elementary in a fullscreen vm .. :) Works too :p
[09:36] <WhishkeyKing> knightwise, I like elementry - I just don't like the LLC
[09:38] <knightwise> llc ?
[09:38] <knightwise> the terminal you mean ?
[09:38] <WhishkeyKing> No the company.
[09:39] <knightwise> ah ,
[09:39] <knightwise> Elementary is kinda light .. kinda good looking ..
[09:39] <knightwise> so I like it because its pretty clean
[09:39] <knightwise> I run in as fullscreen vms on my mac an my windows machines
[09:40] <WhishkeyKing> Yeah, it works well alright - Just mentioning the fin. support scheme they have : http://community.badvoltage.org/t/elementaryos-payments-vs-donations/10421
[09:40] <WhishkeyKing> But I guess you don't donate, that much.
[09:41] <knightwise> Nope :) I advocate :)
[09:41] <WhishkeyKing> Kind of passe discussion, thou.
[09:41] <knightwise> I think I do my thing for the open source king and country with the blog and the podcast
[09:41] <WhishkeyKing> You do.                           and you do it well ! \o/
[09:42] <knightwise> lol :) thanx dude
[09:42] <WhishkeyKing> What the situation over there about the Lugs ? I'll be over in June - would love to have a coffee with ya.
[09:42] <knightwise> it reminds me I need to get cracking on season three next week.
[09:43] <knightwise> I still have pretty busy week for the company , but once that is done i'm going back behind the mike
[09:43] <WhishkeyKing> I'll give you my twitter handle via PM.
[09:43] <knightwise> sure :) shoot
[09:45] <WhishkeyKing> knightwise, Ok done that.
[09:49] <knightwise> there :) Done :)
[11:43]  * penguin42 Bank Holiday yawns
[11:46]  * zmoylan-pi hands penguin42 a baseball and a baseball mitt so he can pass time in great escape manner
[11:47] <penguin42> haha, no I can't complain about a BH
[11:47] <shauno> I can.  I forgot what shift I was on, and showed up 2 hours early :(
[11:48]  * penguin42 has been on holiday for the last week, so it's back to work for me tomorrow - so I'll have to suffer the -4hour bed lag
[11:49]  * brobostigon will be walking down to his local in abit after lunch, enjoy abit of the sun.
[12:06]  * WhishkeyKing puts the Great Escape baseball and baseball mitt game into to the Ubuntu Touch games pile.
[12:08] <penguin42> would work as a breakout game
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> but does help to pass time
[13:55] <MooDoo> hello all
[13:56] <penguin42> Hey
[13:58] <MooDoo> :)
[14:30] <MooDoo> So W = Wily Werewolf
[14:30] <shauno> What?!
[14:31] <MooDoo> that's Ubuntu W
[14:31] <shauno> they can't call it Wily :/  that's almost 2 years of diddledan not letting it go
[14:31] <MooDoo> Too late, it's Wily lol
[14:32] <diddledan> oh dear oh dear
[14:32] <MooDoo> lol
[14:32] <diddledan> my wily won't work~!
[14:32] <diddledan> or "I broke my wily"
[14:32] <penguin42> will it have extended support?
[14:32] <diddledan> no
[14:33] <diddledan> the next LTS should be 16.04 IIRC
[14:33] <penguin42> I know that
[14:34] <diddledan> so I caught a virus on my wily. I was unprotected.
[14:34] <shauno> so wily's only good for 9 months
[14:34] <MooDoo> just the same as anyother release
[14:34] <diddledan> there's an endless number of puns here
[14:35] <shauno> :(
[14:35] <moreati> Xcellent Xenartha next year? http://www.animalstown.com/animals/x/xenarthra/xenarthra.php
[14:35] <diddledan> o_O
[14:35] <diddledan> xenophobic
[14:36] <shauno> not sure that'd work :p
[14:36] <shauno> if 'linux for humans' is xenophobic, it'll just end up hating aliens.  which isn't very nerdy.
[14:36] <diddledan> lol
[14:36] <diddledan> it'll be used for the new independence day
[14:38] <penguin42> shauno: Yeh, we'd have to be careful to stop using the phrase 'internationalisation' and make sure we always use 'localisation' in case it offends those not from this earth
[14:39] <zmoylan-pi> they'll take an alien mothership down with pulse audio or systemd? :-P
[14:39] <shauno> but .. but .. this is a local distro, for /local/ humans
[14:40] <shauno> I dunno, at least I can spell localization without pausing to doubt myself mid-way
[14:44] <penguin42> I'm glad you can :-)
[17:40] <WhishkeyKing> Hi Knightmare, I 'll PM you.
[20:55] <daftykins> tum-te-tum
[20:57] <dutchie> hi daftykins
[20:57] <daftykins> good evening!
[20:58] <daftykins> my what a wet day it was here :(
[20:58] <dutchie> only started in the evening for me
[20:58] <dutchie> was lovely until after tea time
[21:03] <daftykins> oh my press ups are still amusing, get to about 14 then just collapse XD
[21:05] <daftykins> hmm think i'm gonna go to the lounge \o
[21:15] <popey> evening slackers
[21:17] <dutchie> o/
[22:17] <ali1234> anyone know of software for a DECT modem?
[22:18] <ali1234> it's like a voice modem basically, but different commands eg pairing


[02:13] <nhandler> pleia2: Have a few minutes?
[02:28] <pleia2> nhandler: sure
[02:28] <pleia2> annoyingly have a bit of a headache though, trying not to be on my computer much this evening
[02:38] <nhandler> pleia2: Alright. I just wanted to sort out the publishing for tomorrow. I was thinking we could split up the tasks
[02:41] <pleia2> yeah, just give me half them and I'll do them, I get up around noon eastern tomorrow
[02:42] <nhandler> pleia2: I won't be around until 4 Central.
[02:42] <pleia2> ok, we can release then
[02:43] <nhandler> pleia2: That works. It looks like the only step that needs a script is the forum post. I guess I can prepare that now. Then we can just go through and alternate items when I get home tomorrow (since it probably makes sense to publish everywhere around the same time)
[02:44] <pleia2> sounds good, thank you
[02:45] <nhandler> Let me see if I can find a moderator who will be around at that time
[03:34] <CensoredBiscuit> Hello all
[03:35] <nhandler> o/
[03:35] <CensoredBiscuit> hows it going
[22:09] <nhandler> pleia2: Ready to publish?
[22:09] <pleia2> yep!
[22:11] <nhandler> pleia2: Looks like the first step is emailing it to ubuntu-news@ . I can prep that now. Do you want to prep the email to ubuntu-news-team (and possibly loco-contacts@ and ubuntu-translations-coordinators@) ?
[22:12] <pleia2> will do
[22:15] <nhandler> pleia2: Do you know what method akgraner started using to conver the UWN to PDF? Did she just print the website as a pdf?
[22:15] <pleia2> I don't remember, but it never looked very good and the index didn't work
[22:15] <pleia2> I don't think it's worth doing right now
[22:16] <nhandler> pleia2: No objections from me
[22:21] <nhandler> pleia2: Email sent and pushed through the moderation queue
[22:22] <pleia2> great, I'll send the short ubuntu-news and loco
[22:23] <nhandler> I'll start on the forum post (I already ran it through the script)
[22:26] <pleia2> looks like ubuntu-translators is where akgraner sent it
[22:27] <nhandler> pleia2: I was just going by the wiki (which said<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:28] <nhandler> Well, it looks like I can't even post (let alone sticky) without a moderator, so I'll move on to the Fridge
[22:28] <pleia2> you have to be a member of that team to post to that list, and akgraner is not
[22:28] <nhandler> :)
[22:29] <pleia2> I'll update the docs
[22:29] <nhandler> Thanks
[22:29] <pleia2> (and doublecheck with akgraner, maybe emailing that other list is some recent arrangement?)
[22:33] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue218
[22:33]  * pleia2 starts on IRC ;)
[22:45] <nhandler> Joeb454 is going to help post it on the forum
[22:45] <pleia2> great
[22:45] <nhandler> pleia2: Did you want to post it on your blog ?
[22:46] <pleia2> I think we stopped that in favor of just posting to news/fridge
[22:46] <pleia2> akgraner's blog doesn't have any recent ones
[22:46] <nhandler> pleia2: Alright. That is another thing to fix on the checklist then
[22:47]  * pleia2 nods
[22:47] <nhandler> What about social media? Do we manually post it to identi.ca or FB or anything? Or do they pull automatically from the fridge?
[22:47] <pleia2> I tweeted about it on my own
[22:48] <pleia2> not sure where else it should go
[22:49] <pleia2> the instructions lead me to believe there isn't a team profile, individuals just do it
[22:49] <pleia2> but we should add this to our list of things-to-ask-amber :)
[22:49] <pleia2> btw - she is available via email, she just has been avoiding IRC as she gets life, work, etc stuff sorted
[22:50] <nhandler> pleia2: Yeah, I sent her a brief message on google chat yesterday to tell her about this issue. She was happy (said she would send you a thank you later)
[22:51] <Joeb454> nhandler: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1659151
[22:51] <Joeb454> I have to go, but if there's anything odd formatting wise, report the post and ask for it to be fixed
[22:51] <Joeb454> or one of the mods for the UWN forum
[22:51] <Joeb454> ttfn!
[22:51] <nhandler> Some other things I have on my list to ask her are: What items get included in the 'In this Issue' section (I just followed the general format of older issues), is there a script to help post to the fridge (it is a pain adding all the links by hand), the stats issues we had, and about the access in the forum
[22:51] <nhandler> Thanks a lot Joeb454
[22:52] <pleia2> thanks Joeb454!
[22:52] <nhandler> Hmm...Looks like it got wrapped. I'll report it, but no rush ;)
[22:59] <pleia2> fridge is the last, right?
[23:00] <pleia2> then wiki cleanup
[23:02] <nhandler> pleia2: Fridge is done. I'm going to submit the correction for the forum. Do you want to start on the wiki?
[23:03] <pleia2> I have to get back to work, conference call now
[23:03] <pleia2> if you don't get to it, I can do it in a couple hours
[23:03]  * pleia2 already over-extended lunch a bit :)
[23:04] <nhandler> pleia2: No problem. Thanks again
[23:20] <nhandler> Well, I can cross off one question. I just found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/TemplateForPostingUWNOnTheFridge (and it looks like I did the bullets right)
[23:20] <nhandler> We should also probably merge that and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/SectionGuidelines into some of the other pages
[23:22] <nhandler> I think everything is done now. Great job everyone (especially pleia2 )
[23:22] <pleia2> yes, thanks everyone (especially nhandler!)


[09:00] <tjaalton> regression fixes for xserver pushed to ppa:canonical-x/x-staging, please test
[09:01] <tjaalton> we're in beta freeze, so 1.18.2 will have to wait until next week
[09:01] <tjaalton> mesa as well
[14:44] <tseliot> ricotz: so, to answer your question: yes, nvidia-drm depends on nvidia-modeset
[14:45] <jjjoooeee> tjaalton: would https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1555434 be included in the "regression fixes"?
[14:46] <tseliot> ricotz: and nothing else loads nvidia-drm, so we load it manually (udev rule) after nvidia-modeset
[14:48] <tjaalton> jjjoooeee: if you mean the staging upload, why not just try it?
[14:49] <ricotz> tseliot, it is the other way around
[14:50] <tseliot> ricotz: you said that nvidia-modeset depends on nvidia-drm but it's the other way around
[14:50] <tseliot> don't ask me why
[14:50] <tseliot> ;)
[14:50] <ricotz> nvidia_uvm            688128  0
[14:50] <ricotz> nvidia_drm             45056  2
[14:50] <ricotz> nvidia_modeset        753664  8 nvidia_drm
[14:50] <ricotz> nvidia              10268672  139 nvidia_modeset,nvidia_uvm
[14:51] <tseliot> ricotz: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15472463/
[14:53] <ricotz> huh, I see
[14:53] <tseliot> I'm rebuilding with that build-dep, (I didn't care about wayland when I first built the packages)
[14:54] <ricotz> tseliot, and drop the transitions
[14:54] <ricotz> tseliot, and you know my opinion about the changelog! :)
[14:55] <tseliot> ricotz: oh, right, I keep forgetting about that. What should be in the changelog? Stuff from the xenial 361 release?
[14:55] <ricotz> (remember it is still a beta release)
[14:55] <ricotz> tseliot, the whole changelog from the base package
[14:56] <tseliot> which base package? I based mine on what we currently have in xenial
[14:56] <ricotz> so this would be 361 here (which already dropped it too :\)
[14:56] <tseliot> ok, I can do that
[14:57] <ricotz> tseliot, you are not rewriting the whole packaging out of thin air, so keep the changelog from the previous releases
[14:57] <tseliot> ricotz: they are all git branches, usually based on the latest driver in our Ubuntu development release
[14:59] <ricotz> tseliot, the changelog is still the user-visible part of the package, and should be preserved imo
[14:59] <ricotz> might be good to removed obsolete files too e.g. dkms.conf
[15:00]  * ricotz is going to have some late lunch
[15:01] <tseliot> ricotz: I can do that. The reason why I don't change those things is that it makes it easier for me to cherry-pick fixes from one branch to the other.
[15:11] <ricotz> tseliot, thanks!
[15:12] <mamarley> tseliot: I'm pretty sure you have upload rights to the PPA too, so as far as I am concerned you can just upload straight there if you want.
[15:12] <tseliot> mamarley: ok :)
[15:14] <mamarley> And I also have nvidia-settings 364 packages ready in ppa:mamarley/staging.  Unlike the last few releases, this one actually has some changes.
[15:15] <tseliot> good
[15:16] <tseliot> I think I'll rebase on your work when the time comes for Xenial (SRU, I suppose)
[15:18]  * mamarley already has several users contacting him asking for fresh NVIDIA crack ;).  That and complaining about the APT 1.2.7 changes that cause the PPA to throw a warning about insufficient signing.
[15:31] <tseliot> :)
[15:33] <tseliot> all right, uploading for xenial. The upload for trusty should be much quicker
[15:44] <ricotz> tseliot, and wily ;)
[15:44] <tseliot> ricotz: ok
[15:44] <ricotz> thanks
[16:07] <jjjoooeee> tjaalton: will do, thanks
[16:36] <mamarley> tseliot: Don't forget to get rid of the EGL alternatives for Trusty and Wily. :)
[16:36] <tseliot> mamarley: good point
[16:37] <mamarley> Also, should I go ahead and copy nvidia-settings to the main PPA?
[16:50] <tseliot> mamarley: if it works, then why not?
[16:51] <mamarley> No reason in particular.  I just wanted to get approval first.
[16:52] <tseliot> I've just uploaded for wily and trusty
[16:52] <tseliot> no EGL
[17:07]  * tseliot -> EOD