[00:04] <CIA-32> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5233 trunk/gui/gtk/ (4 files): Fix whitespace on accessibility properties
[00:28] <CIA-32> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5234 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Make the migration-assistant tree view expand again (LP: #946123).
[09:31] <tokarbol> I tried the ubuntu-installer GTK mini-iso for precise, but this fails to start Xorg fbdev.
[09:31] <tokarbol> Can you give me a hand on this?
[09:38] <tokarbol> fbdev xorg video driver seems to be in place
[09:41] <tokarbol> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/939278
[09:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 939278 in debian-installer "GTK mini-iso can't start X" [Undecided,New]
[09:41] <tokarbol> oh, thank you, ubot2
[09:41] <tokarbol> that's the one.
[09:41] <tokarbol> :p
[09:44] <ogra_> tokarbol, i dont think anyone ever tests that installer ... we either test the pure text version or ubiquity
[09:45] <tokarbol> I thought so, I don't mind that much
[09:45] <tokarbol> that's why I wanted to investigate it further as I guess you may not have time to spend on this
[09:46] <tokarbol> but I don't know where/how to look for it
[09:46] <tokarbol> it's either Xorg driver problem (crash) or the scripts fail to display anything and the X shuts down
[09:47] <tokarbol> then it's restarted by the /lib... something script
[09:47] <ogra_> well, first of all you should check if the driver is there at all
[09:47] <tokarbol> it is
[09:47] <ogra_> (is there a udeb installed carrying it)
[09:48] <tokarbol> fbdev driver is in place, and that one should suffice
[09:48] <ogra_> all dependencies too ?
[09:48] <ogra_> do you have an xorg log by chance ?
[09:49] <tokarbol> give me a second, I can get you that
[09:49] <tokarbol> pastebin or the bug report?
[09:49] <ogra_> i think the latter (mind you, i'm busy with other stuff, but such info should indeed be on the bug)
[09:53] <tokarbol> ok, it's there
[09:54]  * cjwatson has a look
[10:01] <tokarbol> I think this is either some crash that's not much verbose
[10:02] <tokarbol> or this is a log from a correctly-started-and-stopped X
[10:02] <cjwatson> it's certainly not the latter
[10:02] <tokarbol> but it doesn't say why the X client running stopeed...
[10:02] <tokarbol> no?
[10:02] <cjwatson> EINVAL from FBIOBLANK suggests that it's being run on an incorrectly configured framebuffer
[10:03] <cjwatson> I suppose that isn't necessarily the problem even though it's the last error message in the log
[10:04] <cjwatson> mm, looking at the source, that error doesn't seem to be fatal
[10:05] <tokarbol> I tested this on vbox and an intel gpu
[10:06] <tokarbol> the framebuffer seems to be initialized correctly by the kernel
[10:07] <cjwatson> the server does start up correctly
[10:07] <cjwatson> so yeah, you're right, sorry, it is a log from a correctly-started-and-stopped X
[10:07] <tokarbol> ok - so where should I look for installer error messages?
[10:09] <tokarbol> when I scroll-lock the first console it says
[10:09] <tokarbol> Fatal... server is already active for display 0
[10:10] <tokarbol> ...ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log
[10:10] <tokarbol> Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
[10:10] <tokarbol> is it possible that it runs on :0 but cannot access it?
[10:11] <cjwatson> starting the client up by hand seems to work
[10:11] <cjwatson> installer errors should be in /var/log/syslog
[10:12] <tokarbol> which client did you start?
[10:12] <cjwatson> uh, it involves a zillion environment variables :)
[10:12] <cjwatson> DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gtk LANG=C.UTF-8 DISPLAY=:0 MENU=/usr/bin/main-menu /lib/debian-installer/menu
[10:12] <tokarbol> not that bad
[10:14] <soren> Am I supposed to do something special for netcfg to pick up the BOOTIF parameter from the kernel command line when I'm PXE booting? I see it in /proc/cmdline, but I'm still prompted for which interface to use.
[10:14] <soren> This is on precise, btw.
[10:15] <tokarbol> sorry, my proxy connection is just useless
[10:16] <tokarbol> unfortunately, the command gave me an error as well
[10:16] <tokarbol> (tried from second console
[10:16] <tokarbol> )
[10:16] <cjwatson> soren: have a look in syslog, it's kind of picky about the format
[10:17] <cjwatson> tokarbol: I'm trying to build a test image for myself so that I can get a more accurate idea of what's going on
[10:18] <tokarbol> I tried compiling this from the source debian-installer package as well, same results
[10:18] <cjwatson> sure, that wouldn't make the slightest difference
[10:18] <tokarbol> so either something is missing from udeb pkgs
[10:19] <tokarbol> that shouldn't make, but things tend to happen during a build in a dev env
[10:19] <tokarbol> (not this time though)
[10:19] <soren> cjwatson: Will do that, thanks.
[10:23] <soren> cjwatson: Ok, looking at the syslog now... What am I looking for?
[10:24] <cjwatson> does it say "Could not find invalid BOOTIF= entry in /proc/cmdline"?
[10:24] <soren> cjwatson: Should I enable more debugging somehow, perhaps? It doesn't even say BOOTIF anywhere at all.
[10:24] <cjwatson> can I just see the syslog?
[10:24] <soren> cjwatson: Nope. "grep BOOTIF /var/log/syslog" comes up empty.
[10:24] <cjwatson> also can I see your /proc/cmdline?
[10:25] <soren> cjwatson: Let me see if I can extract them somehow.
[10:26] <soren> cjwatson: Before I do this.. Is there more logging I can enable so we have as much to work with as possible?
[10:26] <cjwatson> no
[10:27] <cjwatson> well, in general with installer debugging it's a good idea to add the boot parameter DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer, but I doubt it'll help here
[10:27] <soren> Alright.
[10:29]  * cjwatson throws strace into this GTK image in order to try to get some actual *information*
[10:34] <soren> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/871261/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/871262/
[10:35] <soren> cjwatson: Oh, and the preseed file:
[10:36] <soren> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/871263/
[10:38] <cjwatson> Well, that thinks it parsed BOOTIF successfully
[10:38] <cjwatson> Mar  6 10:28:03 netcfg[2449]: INFO: Found interface eth0 with link-layer address 00:25:b5:0b:0c:be
[10:39] <soren> cjwatson: Ok..
[10:41] <cjwatson> oh, wait, try netcfg/choose_interface=auto
[10:41] <cjwatson> that'll make it actually bypass that question based on BOOTIF
[10:42] <cjwatson> by default it only changes the default answer but still asks the question
[10:42] <soren> Ah, yeah, just spotted that, too.
[10:42] <soren> Didn't make it that far down netcfg_get_interface before. :)
[10:43] <soren> I kept assuming it didn't find the right interface of whatever.
[10:46]  * soren never really understood the proportional relationship between the price of a server and the time it takes to boot
[10:49] <soren> cjwatson: Awesome. Seems to have worked like a charm.
[10:50] <soren> cjwatson: Thanks!
[10:58] <cjwatson> tokarbol: hm, I don't think it's even starting the menu
[10:59] <tokarbol> ok...
[11:00] <tokarbol> I manually started Xorg from the second console and I got the menu
[11:00] <soren> cjwatson: Oh, one more thing... With that preseed ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/871263/ ) wouldn't I be getting a statically configured eth0?
[11:01] <cjwatson> how do you mean
[11:01] <cjwatson> ?
[11:02] <tokarbol> who?
[11:02] <soren> /etc/network/interfaces in the installed system is set to configure eth0 using dhcp.
[11:02] <soren> tokarbol: Oh, excellent question :)
[11:02] <cjwatson> I meant soren
[11:02] <soren> Oh, good.
[11:02] <soren> Then I stand by my answer.
[11:03] <cjwatson> soren: mm, possibly, there isn't much provision for making that dynamic save for using either network-manager or biosdevname
[11:03] <cjwatson> you can try biosdevname=1 if it supports your hardware
[11:03] <soren> Sorry, "making that dynamic"?
[11:03] <soren> Let me start over :)
[11:03] <soren> So, BOOTIF chooses the interface.
[11:04] <soren> I want to statically configure that interface.
[11:04] <soren> I thought that preseed file would do that.
[11:05] <soren> ...but for some reason it's choosing dhcp.
[11:05] <soren> ..and I can't work out why.
[11:06] <cjwatson> oh sorry
[11:07] <cjwatson> the preseed file isn't read until after network configuration
[11:07] <soren> Oh, of course.
[11:07] <cjwatson> anything you need to apply before the preseed file is read needs to go on the kernel command line
[11:07] <soren> *headdesk*
[11:08] <soren> I forget the protocol for loading kernels.. What's the limit on kernel command line length?  Will all that stuff fit?
[11:08] <cjwatson> I think you can drop some of it, one moment
[11:09] <tokarbol> weird, when I run Xorg from the 2nd console, the installer shows the Gtk language selection menu, but my keyboard&mouse are unresponsive, can't even change vt-s
[11:09] <cjwatson> soren: I think you can drop netcfg/dhcp_failed and netcfg/dhcp_options
[11:10] <cjwatson> the rest should fit I think
[11:10] <cjwatson> tokarbol: strace indicates that the shell that's waiting for the X server to finish starting up isn't responding to the SIGUSR1 it gets sent
[11:11] <cjwatson> well, unless strace is lying to me :)
[11:12] <StevenK> strace lying is an interesting concept.
[11:13] <cjwatson> mind you strace is known to affect signal delivery in some cases
[11:14] <cjwatson> so maybe that's bogus
[11:22] <cjwatson> I wonder if this is kickseed's fault, after a fashion
[11:24] <cjwatson> yes!
[11:24] <tokarbol> what?!
[11:24] <cjwatson> rootskel-gtk recently started passing -terminate to the X server, for other reasons
[11:24] <cjwatson> this means that it exits after the first client exits
[11:25] <cjwatson> but kickseed is a client that runs before the main menu does ...
[11:25] <tokarbol> oh
[11:26] <cjwatson> hmm, tricky
[11:26] <tokarbol> ok, I'd never find that
[11:28] <tokarbol> actually, I still can't find it - where is it started from?
[11:30] <cjwatson> /lib/debian-installer.d/S65kickseed
[11:34] <tokarbol> I was looking at the file before... it starts ..../initrd-kickseed which doesn't seem to invoke Xorg, but...
[11:34] <cjwatson> it does via debconf
[11:34] <tokarbol> I'm not that good in this, it seems :)
[11:34] <tokarbol> some db_ command runs Xorg?!?
[11:35] <cjwatson> in order to run debconf you need a debconf frontend; the GTK image is (necessarily) configured for the debconf frontend to be an X client
[11:35] <soren> cjwatson: It seems the kernel command line these days can be up to 2k.
[11:35] <cjwatson> nice
[11:35] <soren> cjwatson: Just FYI.
[11:35] <tokarbol> so a chicken-and-egg problem
[11:36] <cjwatson> nope
[11:37] <cjwatson> X has already been started, it's not chicken-and-egg, but a proper fix would involve moving kickseed to be started from within /lib/debian-installer/menu
[11:37] <cjwatson> however that will take a while so I'm just going to disable kickseed when using the GTK frontend, for now
[11:37] <cjwatson> and leave a TODO comment
[11:40] <CIA-32> kickseed: cjwatson * r286 ubuntu/ (debian-installer.d/S65kickseed debian/changelog): merge from Debian 0.57
[11:40] <tokarbol> it'll do for me, I'm using regular preseed anyway.
[11:41] <CIA-32> kickseed: cjwatson * r287 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.57ubuntu1
[11:41] <cjwatson> tokarbol: ok, will be fixed the next time debian-installer is rebuilt (which happens frequently), thanks
[11:41] <tokarbol> Thank YOU!
[11:43] <cjwatson> that was tricky after only 1.5 cups of coffee :-P
[14:26] <cyphermox> stgraber: back at the office looking at the /e/n/i file that d-i creates; it indeed looks like ifblacklist_migrate.sh just isn't intelligent enough to deal with wifi
[14:29] <stgraber> cyphermox: did you figure which part is failing?
[14:29] <stgraber> quickly looking through the script it's not obvious what part wouldn't match wireless
[14:29] <cyphermox> cjwatson: fyi, when installing with alternate, d-i appears to create /etc/network/interfaces and if you configure wifi; that configuration is left on the installed system and causes NetworkManager to ignore the interface. I'll file the bug now, and I'm looking into fixing ifblacklist_migrate.sh (which is shipped by n-m) to take that into account
[14:29] <cyphermox> stgraber: yeah, found it
[14:29] <cjwatson> OK, thanks
[14:29] <cyphermox> the script only expects no extra lines under iface <iface> inet dhcp, really.
[14:30] <cyphermox> in the case of wireless you'll have at the very least wpa-ssid; then perhaps wpa-psk
[14:30] <cyphermox> (or some wep values too... perhaps I'll need to look at netcfg to figure out exactly which ones)
[14:30] <stgraber> do we have cases where we have "dhcp" and something useful added by netcfg we actually want to kepp?
[14:30] <stgraber> *keep
[14:31] <cyphermox> I don't know
[14:31] <cyphermox> I'd be tempted to say that on a "desktop" install, you'd almost never want to keep the config
[14:31] <stgraber> my guess is that we only really care about static and so just checking for dhcp should be enough to know we should drop the interface from /e/n/i
[14:31] <cyphermox> but of course I have a vested interest in NetworkManager ;)
[14:31] <cyphermox> possibly
[14:32] <stgraber> ideally we'd have a interfaces-to-nm script that'd take care of generating a profile but that can be 12.10 work
[14:32] <cyphermox> stgraber: however in that case we still need to fix the grep/sed magic to remove all the lines under that iface line; up until the next iface
[14:32] <stgraber> for 12.04 I think it's safe to say that any automatically configured interface (so in our case, .*dhcp) gets dropped
[14:32] <cyphermox> guess so
[14:33] <cyphermox> I'm fully behind that, any reason why that might not be a good idea?
[14:33] <stgraber> from what I know of netcfg I think it's safe
[14:33] <cyphermox> I mean... other cases are already taken care of by the preseed yes
[14:34] <stgraber> right and we have the netcfg/network-manager preseed variable to turn off the script anyway
[14:34] <cyphermox> that's what I meant :)
[17:33] <jibel> bug 947738 seems new and reported twice today
[17:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 947738 in ubiquity "precise failed to install: unable to initialize policy plugin" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947738
[17:56] <stgraber> unable to open /etc/sudoers??? that seems weird
[17:57] <stgraber> could be that sudo isn't setuid for some reason
[17:57] <cjwatson> sudo hasn't changed recently ...
[17:58] <stgraber> yeah but neither did that part of ubiquity...
[17:58]  * stgraber grabs today's daily
[17:59] <cjwatson> doing a test run now
[17:59] <cjwatson> overlayfs bug maybe?  but just guessing
[17:59] <cjwatson> actually overlayfs shouldn't be involved, should it
[18:00] <cjwatson> looks setuid at least after the initial copy
[18:01]  * cjwatson leaves all this running and goes for dinner
[18:35] <cyphermox> cjwatson: (I'm leaving for lunch now) when you have time, I'd like your opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/948217; I'm trying to fix these reported cases of NetworkManager not managing connections after an alternate install; seems like ifblacklist_migrate.sh was missing something
[18:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 948217 in network-manager "wireless devices are not managed when installing from alternate" [High,In progress]
[19:07] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5235 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py): Fix bug 830946 by setting the Vte font to Ubuntu Mono 8
[19:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 830946 in ubiquity "Nothing displayed on embedded terminal." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830946
[19:41] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5236 ubiquity/debian/ (76 files in 2 dirs): Change ubiquity/text/webcam_heading based on suggestion from bug 946123. Run debconf-updatepo to refresh all the .po files.
[19:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 946123 in ubiquity "Text Box space inadequate in 'Import Accounts' page." [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/946123
[19:42] <stgraber> oops, wrong bug number ... should have been bug 926493
[19:42] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 926493 in ubiquity "[UIFe] The installer still says your picture will be used on the login screen" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926493
[19:43] <stgraber> at least debian/changelog is right (commit message was caused by copy/paste from the wrong paragraph of the changelog)
[22:22] <stgraber> ouch, it took 15min for dmraid to scan all my SAN volumes before starting partman ;)
[22:24] <stgraber> at least fiber-channel and multipath seem to still work in d-i


[00:48] <maxwellian> Out of curiosity, what do people mean by "inline" patches?  Patches applied directly to the source, rather than saved in something like debian/patches?
[01:07] <ScottK> maxwellian: Yes.
[01:19] <maxwellian> ScottK: Thanks.  Presumably, it's better not to use inline patches if it can be avoided?
[01:49] <ScottK> maxwellian: It depends.  Generally if the Debian maintainer doesn't use a patch system we prefer not to add it.
[01:49] <ScottK> Beyond that, yes.
[01:52] <maxwellian> ScottK: Copy that, thanks.
[05:39] <Damascene> hi,
[05:41] <Damascene> from time to time Ubuntu present you with update manager suggesting updating. updates are separated by importance. don't you think having a check box to enable/disable all the updates under each section?
[05:42] <Damascene> * would be a good Idea
[06:19] <corey__> I've got the command line installer going for 8.04 via usb on a system that has no cdrom. It's prompting me an error saying it has to have a cdrom loaded, what gives?
[06:19] <corey__> supplying a mount point of /dev/usb errors as well.
[06:22] <corey__> I seem to not be the only one with this issue. Any clever people with ideas?
[06:25] <ScottK> corey__: Did you make the usb image with usb-creator?
[06:25] <corey__> ScottK, Yes I did.
[06:26] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Dunno then.  Usually I hear that about images made with unetbootin.
[06:26] <ScottK> corey__: There are some releases where usb-creator-kde works better, you might try that.
[06:27] <corey__> ScottK, Really. You think it's the usb creator and not the distro?
[06:27] <ScottK> corey__: I don't know for sure.
[06:27] <corey__> If I switch to a busybox, could I map /dev/usb to /dev/cdrom?
[06:27] <ScottK> Alternatively, install 10.04.
[06:28] <corey__> ScottK, That solution will not work for an Artigo A2000 that supports only 8.04
[06:28] <ScottK> I don't know, I kind of doubt it would work.
[06:28] <ScottK> I see.
[06:29] <corey__> 8.04 Desktop Edition didn't even work properly when it came to displaying a graphical interface. It spewed corruption all over the place.
[06:29]  * ScottK is the wrong person to discuss that with.  It matches my general feeling about Gnome.
[06:29] <corey__> So naturally I went with the alt. cd image but (of course) I ran into another issue!
[06:30] <corey__> I've used gnome for years so I don't understand what you mean by that.
[06:30] <maco> Damascene: yes, that sounds like a good papercut to file
[06:31] <corey__> I also used KDE. For about 5 minutes. It was the worse desktop environment I've ever used.
[06:31]  * maco pats ScottK's wounded ego
[06:31] <ScottK> maco: It's the beauty of FOSS, there's choice.
[06:31] <maco> and choice is the beauty of kde ;-)
[06:32] <maco> when its not being horribly confusing
[06:32] <ScottK> That too.
[06:32]  * maco recalls not-fondly the first day using kde, going "SCOTT! whats THAT mean?"
[06:33] <gord> which one of these eight thousand buttons in my menu am i supoosed to press :( never really got past that with kde
[06:33] <corey__> lol @ using the menu
[07:42] <Damascene> maco, nice. should I open a bug about it?
[07:44] <maco> Damascene: yes
[08:49] <matrix> hello
[08:50] <Damascene> hey matrix
[08:50] <matrix> i want to be developer
[08:50] <matrix> ubuntu developer
[08:50] <matrix> what kind of programing language sould i learn ?
[08:54] <nigelb> !developer | matrix
[09:43] <hoare> guys I need help about creating initrd files by mkinitramfs.
[09:44] <hoare>  anyone has experience?
[10:32] <AnAnt> Hello, I need help with an apport script, I want to get the value of a config variable, so I did this:
[10:32] <AnAnt>     SLModemdDevice = command_output(['sh', '-c', '[ ! -r /etc/default/sl-modem-daemon ] || (. /etc/default/sl-modem-daemon ; echo $SLMODEMD_DEVICE)'])
[10:32] <AnAnt>  is that correct ?
[10:51] <Damascene> AnAnt, Salam
[10:52] <Damascene> I see you like sl-modem very much :)
[10:59] <AnAnt> Damascene: wa alaykom as-salamu wa rahmatu Ullahi wa barakatoh , I maintain it because my mom's laptop needs it, and it has been orphaned by previous maintainer
[11:21] <bdrung> is there something i can do to speedup bug #600626?
[12:23] <geser> bdrung: check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements and document it in the bug (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for the whole MIR process).
[13:15] <Dupper> Good morning!  You guys gotta be awful busy so I won't take much of your time,
[13:16] <Dupper> I just wanted to express praise/gratitude/amazement at how well this ubuntu thing works... I don't use it for networking or a server or anything special and it seems *much* nicer than windows
[13:16] <Dupper> You really hit it on this one(running 10.04 here)
[13:17] <directhex> offtopic!
[14:56] <dupondje> http://ubuntu.dupondje.be/aptitude.debdiff => fix for aptitude ftbfs
[14:57] <ScottK> directhex: As long as it doesn't drift into cult of personality, I think a little praise it OK.
[14:57] <ScottK> ;-)
[15:03] <directhex> ScottK, ~we-love-pitti ?
[15:04] <ScottK> Arguably that's not cult of personality, just deserved.
[15:05] <directhex> ~dholbach-huggers ?
[15:06] <dupondje> fix aptituuuuude :p
[15:58] <bdheeman> through 1.2.43 in the older series contain and bug; but we still only have version 1.2.42 of libpng even on lucid http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/libpng.html :(
[18:00] <smoser> Hi, Is there an archive admin around ?
[18:00] <smoser> I've added a new binary package 'legacy-grub-ec2' to 'cloud-init' source package, and I need to get it moved into the archive.
[18:14] <smoser> I admit to not understanding what happens here, but I need 'grub-legacy-ec2' to move into the archive (build : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/0.5.12-0ubuntu5/+build/1862681 )
[18:14] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=cloud-init
[18:45] <zaytsev> Hi ppl. Could you please tell me whether Debian arch wildcards are supported ATM?
[18:47] <zaytsev> On PPA build for Lucid it said it can't resolve deps. Does Maverick support it already?


[02:43] <micahg> on a bzr merge where changes were made to the source and should be a patch instead, what's the best procedure?  Do I need to have the merge proposer fix it or can I just convert it to a patch and use it that way with the appropriate attribution in the changelog?
[02:48] <ScottK> lfaraone: At UDS, so no way I can concentrate on it enought to have a useful opinion.
[02:50] <micahg> hi ScottK, is there any gathering of community people this evening?
[02:50] <ScottK> micahg: Several of us are in the bar near the check in.
[02:51] <micahg> ScottK: cool
[07:31] <AnAnt> Hello
[08:22] <AnAnt> a package contains 3 kernel modules,  one of them can only be compiled for x86 archs, how can I handle that in the DKMS conf file ?
[08:22] <AnAnt> I read in the dkms manpage about BUILD_EXCLUSIVE_ARCH, but that seems to be a global config variable not a per-module configuration.
[08:25] <_ruben> dkms tends to be pretty limited in certain areas, wouldn't surprise me if the only "solution" would be to split it into 2 dkms packages
[08:43] <geser> micahg: let the merge proposer fix it as he probably wants to become a developer in the future so should know how to merge/modify packages correctly
[09:56] <hyperair> anyone from motu-sru around?
[12:58] <stgraber>  /win 39
[12:58] <stgraber> oops
[13:02] <\sh> hmmm...will there be a video stream or audio stream from keynot @UDS-N?
[13:06] <xteejx> When merging, do we have to set us as the maintainer in d/control?
[13:07] <xteejx> i.e. ubuntu devs
[13:10] <Laney> yes
[13:11] <xteejx> Laney: Thanks :)
[13:14] <micahg> xteejx: use the update-maintainer script
[13:15] <xteejx> Why does a debian-changes file keep being created, I'm not editing the source, just stuff in debian/
[13:15] <xteejx> control and control.in
[13:16] <xteejx> It says about the changes debian made, but why? They're already in the package, can I safely remove
[13:17] <xteejx> that from the package and debdiff and use that on theLP merge report?
[13:17] <micahg> xteejx: what is in the changes file?
[13:18] <xteejx> micahg: My changelog entry, dep3 markers and every single change from the old to new debian version
[13:18] <xteejx> base>debian even
[13:19] <micahg> xteejx: how did you create the merge?
[13:19] <xteejx> grab-merge, changed control and control.in, edited changelog, debuild -S
[13:20] <micahg> xteejx: which package?
[13:20] <xteejx> anjuta-extras
[13:21] <xteejx> I can't see any reason why dpkg should be creating it :S
[14:13] <nicko> Hi all, I maintain a new package in debian (unstable) and would like to see it in Ubuntu, what do I need to do to have it sync-ed?
[14:14] <geser> nicko: it should get auto-synced once the archive admins are all back from UDS and start also syncing new packages (new = not yet in the Ubuntu archive)
[14:15] <shadeslayer> nicko: alternatively use requestsync script
[14:15] <geser> shadeslayer: not needed at this stage of development (unless you need it synced now)
[14:16] <shadeslayer> geser: ah.. ok ...
[14:16] <nicko> ok thanks, so the process is automatic (as long as there is no build problem on Ubuntu I guess), perfect!
[14:16] <shadeslayer> geser: are you at UDS?
[14:17] <geser> shadeslayer: no
[14:18] <shadeslayer> :(
[14:18] <geser> nicko: yes, at least till Debian Import Freeze which is still several weeks away
[17:10] <AnAnt> superm1: ping
[17:10] <superm1> AnAnt, pong
[17:10] <AnAnt> superm1: got my email ?
[18:23] <AnAnt> superm1: ??
[18:44] <xteejx> bug 666334, have I done this correctly?
[18:48] <tumbleweed> xteejx: looks good, it's in the sponsor queue. Btw you can use "requestsync" to file these bugs
[18:48] <xteejx> tumbleweed: Oh :) Does that do all that stuff automagically?
[18:50] <tumbleweed> xteejx: happens when you subscribe sponsors. the URL is in the topic
[18:51] <xteejx> Ahhh, and I'm last lol
[21:07] <xteejx> Hi all
[21:07] <xteejx> Not sure on sync/merge for bcfg2, I can only see 3 changes in the ubuntu patch that arent in Deb
[21:08] <xteejx> "add no-databse DB backend", "add dpatch support", and "backport support for auto version number from 1.0"
[21:12] <tumbleweed> xteejx: if there are any changes, and they actually matter, we keep them. (Useless changes can be dropped). Forward them upstream so that we can eventually sync again.
[21:12] <xteejx> No prob, just gonna look through d/patches
[21:54] <ari-tczew> geser: IIRC you're familiar with update-maintainer. could you take a look on bug 666504 ?
[22:03] <bdrung> ari-tczew: can you run update-maintainer with -v?
[22:07] <ari-tczew> geser: update-maintainer: error: no such option: -v
[22:07] <ari-tczew> s/geser/bdrung
[22:08] <bdrung> hm, ok.
[22:08] <ari-tczew> bdrung: I attached d/control to bug, you can try it locally
[22:09] <bdrung> i will once i have time for it
[22:17] <geser> ari-tczew: do you know where this XSBC-O-M comes from?
[22:18] <ari-tczew> geser: debian?
[22:20] <bdrung> geser: from update-maintainer probably
[22:20] <geser> bdrung: the questions is why is then Maintainer not @ubuntu.com


[13:16] <benji> two connections to the Canonical server don't work as well as one there and one here
[15:16] <frankban> hi hazmat
[15:22] <frankban> hazmat: the GUI debug server still tries to load external libraries from yui.yahooapis.com, I am making a card for that. Having https://jujucharms.com is great, but we have a problem: XMLHttpRequest cannot load https://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/juju-gui-17/json. Origin https://ec2-23-22-109-54.compute-1.amazonaws.com is not allowed by Access-Control-Allow-Origin. I think we should allow all origins server side.
[15:27] <benji> Makyo teknico bac frankban goodspud bcsaller hazmat: call in 3 minutes?
[15:28] <frankban> benji: ok
[15:28] <bac> ok
[15:28] <teknico> benji, yep
[15:32] <bac> yo benji
[15:32] <benji> bac: G+ apparently doesn't like me today, one sec
[15:36] <bac> benji: you called this meeting...
[15:38] <bac> frankban: will you update LP for bug 1086822
[15:38] <_mup_> Bug #1086822: charm is very slow to start <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086822 >
[15:38] <bac> link to branch, etc
[15:39] <frankban> bac: sure
[16:03] <hazmat> frankban, hmm
[16:04] <hazmat> frankban, so the link you gave isn't to a valid charm
[16:04] <hazmat> ie https://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/alice-irc-1/json
[16:04]  * hazmat checks the cors access
[16:06] <hazmat> frankban, it already allows for cors requests afaics
[16:07] <frankban> hazmat: aha! you are right, that's the link for Juju GUI. It works for other charms. Cool, so, only the debug server problem remains.
[16:08] <hazmat> frankban, that's not the link for juju gui.. the link for the gui is https://jujucharms.com/~juju-gui/precise/juju-gui/json
[16:08] <hazmat> the gui charm has never been through the charmers review queue for official inclusion
[16:09] <frankban> hazmat: that's the link GUI tries to load when you click on the "charms" tab of the Juju GUI service detail page.
[16:10] <hazmat> interesting
[16:10] <hazmat> that's  sounds like a bug with local charms then
[16:14] <frankban> hazmat: filed bug 1095354
[16:14] <_mup_> Bug #1095354: When using local charms, the URL used to retrieve charm info is not correct <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095354 >
[16:54] <frankban> suddenly debug works, no errors, no changes :-/ bac: does your latest merged branch fix something about how the project is built?
[16:56] <goodspud> Has anybody played with the demo recently? It's a big buggy in places
[17:02] <teknico> do you mean a bit butty? OHWAIT
[17:03] <teknico> do we serve sandwiches via http? :-)
[17:09] <frankban> mi daresti una occhiata veloce a https://codereview.appspot.com/7026046 ?
[17:09] <frankban> osp
[17:09] <frankban> oops...
[17:10] <frankban> could someone please review https://codereview.appspot.com/7026046 ?
[17:11] <goodspud> teknico, can't go wrong with a bacon and sausage butty
[17:12] <teknico> goodspud, I don't eat meat, you insensitive clo(u)d ;-P
[17:12] <teknico> (usually)
[17:13] <goodspud> teknico: a tofu and asparagus butty then
[17:14] <goodspud> nom nom nom
[17:14] <teknico> that's more like it :-)
[17:16] <teknico> frankban, approved with thanks :-)
[17:17] <frankban> teknico: :-) cool
[17:22] <bac> frankban: i made a change at gary's request to project.json for the d3 specification.  perhaps that fixed it?
[17:23] <bac> goodspud: what do you see that is funny?
[17:25] <frankban> bac: hum... maybe
[17:27] <goodspud> bac. https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B1IM--9A1RkTbjFTUGwwR0lBeXc/edit
[17:27] <frankban> bac: could you please check if https://ec2-107-20-78-229.compute-1.amazonaws.com/ works well for you?
[17:29] <bac> frankban: the front page looks ok.  was slow to load.  anything particular i'm looking for?
[17:30] <bac> goodspud: where'd that yellow line come from?
[17:30] <frankban> bac: errors in the Javascript console?
[17:31] <bac> frankban: i saw some complaints about loading from http for fonts
[17:31] <goodspud> bac, that is a "pending" relation line that persists if you move either associated service
[17:32] <frankban> bac: cool, thank you
[19:41] <BradCrittenden> benji, benji: either of you having slow access to the data center today?
[19:41] <benji> bac: not that I have noticed.
[19:41] <benji> bac: I wonder if the inrush of traffic about the phone launch is gumming up the works
[19:42] <bac> maybe.  plus PR is having an inaugural celebration right now.  maybe all of those phone videos being pushed to FB is clogging our pipe
[20:46]  * bac -> dogwalk
[20:55] <benji> bac and hazmat: the login branch is ready for re-review (https://codereview.appspot.com/7007047)
[21:10] <hazmat> benji, cool, just sent some comments on replies to previous
[21:11] <benji> hazmat: thanks; looking
[21:11] <hazmat> benji, i think we should have a talk about this. i feel like there is a misunderstanding here
[21:13] <benji> hazmat: sure, let me read over your replies and think for a minute and then we'll get together
[21:13] <hazmat> benji, sounds good.. looking over the latest as well
[21:55] <hazmat> hmm.. had to go over wip limit .. the reliable test branch wasn't recorded in a lane
[22:08] <bcsaller> hazmat: I did a review of that but forgot to mention that you listed yeti as a dep but don't use it
[22:11] <hazmat> bcsaller, gotcha


[02:41] <mate|92796> Ubuntu Mate ppc system freezes randomly. No drivers. How do I at least decrease the instances of this?
[02:41] <mate|92796> I meant no missing drivers.
[02:57] <mate|92796> I have a ibook g4,
[02:57] <mate|92796> Any insights?
[05:32] <schurdevin> résoudre mot de passe refusé sur terminal
[05:32] <alkisg> !fr
[05:33] <schurdevin> join
[09:41] <m4t> changing the compton config to use --xrender-sync --xrender-sync-fence seemed to fix my issues with lag in pluma (using nvidia proprietary)
[09:41]  * m4t crosses fingers
[12:03] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[14:12] <danboid> msttcorefonts doesn't seem to be installable under 17.10 - not from the US or UK mirrors at least
[14:16] <alkisg> danboid: what's the output of `apt install ttf-mscorefonts-installer`?
[14:17] <danboid> E: Failed to fetch https://netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net/project/corefonts/the fonts/final/andale32.exe  Redirection from https to 'http://downloads.sourceforge.net/mirrorproblem?failedmirror=netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net' is forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 443]
[14:18] <danboid> On a previous attempt it got a bit further but still failed to install all the fonts
[14:19] <alkisg> And can you download it from a browser?
[14:20] <alkisg> https://netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net/project/corefonts/the fonts/final/andale32.exe
[14:20] <alkisg> It works for me
[14:20] <danboid> alkisg, Its not a standard deb package really as it doesn't contain the fonts - it has to fetch them from another server
[14:20] <alkisg> I know
[14:20] <alkisg> That's why I ask for the browser input
[14:20] <alkisg> wget "https://netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net/project/corefonts/the fonts/final/andale32.exe"
[14:20] <alkisg> 2017-09-28 17:20:47 (1,42 MB/s) - ‘andale32.exe’ saved [198384/198384]
[14:21] <alkisg> If it doesn't work for you, it sounds like a net issue, not a server issue
[14:21] <danboid> That address looks dodgy as it has a unescaped space
[14:21] <alkisg> That's why I put quotes in wget
[14:21] <alkisg> And it works
[14:21] <alkisg> Can you try?
[14:21] <danboid> Yep - I can wget that fine
[14:22] <alkisg> So only the redirection is forbidden?
[14:22] <alkisg> Sounds like a blacklist on sourceforge for your ip range then
[14:22] <danboid> Seems so. With both UK and US morrors
[14:22] <alkisg> Which mirrors are you referring to, sourceforge mirrors?
[14:22] <alkisg> We're using the same URL now
[14:23] <danboid> Ubuntu mirrors
[14:23] <alkisg> It's not about the apt mirrors
[14:23] <alkisg> No, that package was downloaded fine
[14:23] <alkisg> It's the postinst script that wgets it that fails
[14:23] <alkisg> It's about the sourceforge mirrors now
[14:24] <danboid> Have you heard of this happenening before?
[14:24] <alkisg> I've heard about sf download issues many times. I don't remember the exact messages so I don't know if it's the same or not
[14:24] <alkisg> But you're reporting that wget works
[14:24] <danboid> Sounds like I eother use a VPN or install those fonts manually
[14:25] <alkisg> So it's only about the redirection from https to http that chokes
[14:25] <alkisg> Do you have any apt related environment variables?
[14:25] <alkisg> env | egrep -i 'http|apt'
[14:26] <danboid> Nope - that produced no output
[14:26] <alkisg> And if you retry "apt install  ttf-mscorefonts-installer`, you get only that one failed line as the output?
[14:26] <danboid> No - that was the key bit
[14:27] <alkisg> Can you paste all of it to paste.ubuntu.com?
[14:28] <danboid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25633640/
[14:30] <danboid> alkisg, can you install msttcorefonts?
[14:30] <danboid> (under 17.10)
[14:30] <danboid> You won't be in my IP range so probably?
[14:31] <alkisg> danboid: I haven't tested, but it now got past the andale32 issue, which sounds like busy sf servers
[14:31] <alkisg> It's not a problem with apt or the ubuntu mirrors
[14:31] <alkisg> It keeps the packages in a local cache
[14:31] <alkisg> So if you try it many times, it may download more of the fonts and stop with errors in next ones
[14:31] <danboid> I've tried about 10 times now - it never does mor more about 5 fonts before failing
[14:31] <alkisg> You've seen it retry andale?
[14:32] <alkisg> AFAIK, it keeps them in /var/cache...
[14:32] <danboid> I've seen it get further than that paste
[14:32] <alkisg> bbiab
[14:38] <danboid> Seems I've hit a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/1607535
[14:39] <sixwheeledbeast> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/1371783
[14:39] <sixwheeledbeast> There seems to be a few
[14:39] <sixwheeledbeast> Install 3.6 from debian pool?
[14:39] <danboid> There's an easy workaround in manually installing the font package frok DEbian tho
[14:40] <danboid> sixwheeledbeast, Yep - trying that now
[14:45] <danboid> Manually installing that deb has done it :)
[14:45] <danboid> wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/m/msttcorefonts/ttf-mscorefonts-installer_3.6_all.deb
[14:58] <alkisg> danboid: you have already downloaded the .deb
[14:58] <alkisg> And it got in the preinst phase
[14:59] <danboid> Prob solved by manually installig that deb yes
[15:01] <alkisg> danboid: nah, you just misunderstood things and the sf net issues gone away at that time :)
[15:01] <alkisg> Package preinst phase is after the .deb is successfully downloaded by apt
[15:01] <alkisg> You never had apt issues, only sf issues
[15:02] <alkisg> Ah you got a different version?
[15:02] <alkisg> OK then, my bad
[15:03] <danboid> alkisg, https://askubuntu.com/questions/829247/cannot-install-the-package-ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[15:03] <danboid> Yep - not just me
[15:03] <alkisg> danboid: you say you have 17.10
[15:03] <danboid> yes
[15:03] <alkisg> Which has 3.6
[15:03] <alkisg> This answer says that 3.4 is broken and 3.6 is fixed
[15:03] <alkisg> Then you download 3.6 from debian
[15:03] <alkisg> ...to replace the 3.6 from ubuntu
[15:03] <danboid> Debian != Ubuntu
[15:04] <alkisg> If that works, that would mean that 3.6 in ubuntu is broken
[15:04] <danboid> yes
[15:04] <danboid> seems so
[15:04] <alkisg> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/m/msttcorefonts/msttcorefonts_3.6ubuntu2/changelog
[15:04] <alkisg> The diff from debian is there
[15:04] <alkisg> If that diff causes issues, it should be reported in launchpad...
[15:05] <alkisg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bugs
[15:12] <alkisg> danboid: btw, the proper channel for 17.10 is #ubuntu+1...
[15:15] <danboid> alkisg, Know, reported, confirmed bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/1713615
[15:19] <Linux_Explore> what's the meaning of Mate in Ubuntu Mate?
[15:20] <Menzador> It uses the MATE desktop environment, which is a drop-in replacement for GNOME 2.
[15:21] <Linux_Explore> ok
[15:21] <Linux_Explore> can we run android app in ubuntu mate?
[15:23] <Menzador> Are you talking about Anbox?
[15:23] <Linux_Explore> I don't know what Anbox is.
[15:23] <Linux_Explore> just curious about whether android apps can be run on ubuntu.
[15:24] <Menzador> Anbox, Slashlik, and other apps create a compatibility layer that will allow you to run APKs
[15:24] <Menzador> But it's not built in
[15:24] <Linux_Explore> ok. Are they easy to operate?
[15:24] <Menzador> Also, YMMV - these apps are generally still in development.
[15:24] <Linux_Explore> ok
[15:25] <Linux_Explore> so not yet ready.
[15:25] <Menzador> A better option would be to work with a virtual machine or a dual-bokt environment running Android x86 or Remix OS.
[15:25] <Menzador> *dual-boot
[15:26] <Linux_Explore> ok. Virtual Machine is a better option.
[15:26] <Linux_Explore> is there any good kanban app available for ubuntu mate?
[15:28] <Menzador> First I should point out that everything available in the main Ubuntu flavour is always available for Ubuntu MATE.
[15:29] <Linux_Explore> and also please suggest a good e book reader that is convenient for reading pdf fies and ebooks for long durations without much strain on eyes.
[15:29] <Menzador> Also, try Taiga.io
[15:29] <Linux_Explore> ok
[15:29] <Menzador> MATE ships Atril, a fork of Evince.
[15:29] <Linux_Explore> ok
[15:31] <Menzador> If you've used Evince in the past, Atril's functionality is identical.
[15:32] <Linux_Explore> ok
[15:33] <Linux_Explore> thanks a lot for the info.
[15:33] <Linux_Explore> bye and have a great day.
[15:33] <Menzador> You're welcome. Pop in anytime.  There is room in spanish?
[17:31] <alkisg> !es
[17:32] <Utopial> Gracias alkisg . Pero el canal está vacío...
[17:33] <alkisg> Utopial: I'm Greek, I don't speak Spanish
[18:26] <sigurdson> Hiya, how can i run a system update?
[18:37] <pavlushka> sigurdson: "sudo apt update && sudo apt -y full-upgrade"
[18:40] <sigurdson> ey you will love this logging system : apt install heroku && heroku addons:create papertrale && echo "win" :D
[18:42] <sigurdson> Have not tried it my self yet, but its a good tool this papertrail thing in heroku
[18:45] <pintu> hi
[18:45] <sigurdson> Hiya
[18:46] <sigurdson> hmm looks like the heroku is not an apt package
[18:46] <pintu> can i ask questions here?
[18:46] <sigurdson> Sure :)
[18:47] <mate|45328> Anyone know how to 'open terminal here' in Caja? The extension is enabled but there is no entry in file or context menus
[18:48] <pintu> Anyone know How can i access bios area? I tried memmapping /dev/mem but it gives me segmentation fault.
[18:49] <sigurdson> oh, can you do that?
[18:51] <pintu> i read it somewhere
[18:54] <sigurdson> oh this might not be the right channel, hope you get the help you need.
[18:55] <sigurdson> Will mate move on to gnome 3 or stay the same i wonder
[19:00] <sigurdson> we have been on hollydays and i was wondering if someone can recomment a good tool for making boarders, signatures, collagues and some editing for photos. It must be simple to use :)
[19:08] <alkisg> sigurdson: move on to "gnome 3" or gtk 3?
[19:08] <sigurdson> gnome 2 went out then mate came along isn't it so?
[19:09] <sigurdson> aww my mouse is so laggy.. using a G602 from logitech
[19:10] <alkisg> mate aims to keep the gnome 2 experience
[19:10] <alkisg> If they clone gnome 3, there's absolutely no point in having mate then
[19:10] <sigurdson> so how will it move in the future?
[19:10] <alkisg> They'll keep the gnome 2 experience in the future too :)
[19:10] <alkisg> The libraries will switch from gtk2 to gtk3
[19:11] <sigurdson> do you know the estemate life time of mate?
[19:11] <alkisg> I think they did that already...
[19:11] <sigurdson> i dunno just got home from hollydays and did the update.. might need to restart the system
[19:11] <alkisg> I don't think anyone can really estimate the life of open source software
[19:11] <alkisg> Some things die too soon, others refuse to die for ages :)
[19:12] <sigurdson> but back to my question^^ i was thinking about a photo editing software that isnt very complicated.. Just making some boarders, albums, tags, collagues, editing :)
[19:28] <harnapazade> I am here
[19:51] <sigurdson> hmm what files do you add bash aliases for a user in.. i forgot
[19:52] <sigurdson> hmm .bash_profile?
[19:52] <sigurdson> allthough i am using the MATE-shell
[19:55] <un2him> ~/.bash_aliases is what I use
[19:55] <un2him> Should work on all flavors
[20:13] <lencole> Quick question, is there a way to turn off the trackpad when a usb mouse is plugged in (I know I could do it with a setting in KDE but cannot find something similar with Ubuntu-mate)?
[21:15] <lengua> hola
[21:15] <lengua> Hi
[21:16] <lengua> How can I start UbuntuMATE in recovery mode? Wich key do i have to press?
[21:54] <lengua> How can i access to recovery mode on ubuntu mate?
[21:54] <tsimonq2> !ask
[21:54] <lengua> What key do I have to press?
[21:54] <lengua> Shift and Esc does not go.
[21:55] <tsimonq2> lengua: In GRUB, you should have an "Advanced Options" entry or something of that nature
[21:55] <lengua> But I don't know how to access GRUB
[21:55] <lengua> It loads the operating system directly
[21:57] <lengua> I turn on the raspberry and I don't see GRUB...
[21:59] <tsimonq2> I think Esc
[21:59]  * tsimonq2 shrugs
[21:59] <tsimonq2> I'll defer to the wonderful, knowledgeable flexiondotorg :)
[22:05] <flexiondotorg> The raspberry pi doesn't use GRU
[22:05] <flexiondotorg> B
[22:05] <tsimonq2> Oh
[22:05] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: TIL then :)
[22:26] <lencole> Quick question, is there a way to turn off the trackpad when a usb mouse is plugged in (I know I could do it with a setting in KDE but cannot find something similar with Ubuntu-mate)?
[23:17] <aidan> hwy
[23:18] <aidan> hey
[23:24] <flexiondotorg> https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-artful-beta2/
[23:43] <ouroumov_> Lol
[23:43] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, "I'm afraid to say we had no choice but to add some new features to caja. We understand this will be shocking to many and apologize for our lack of sensibility."
[23:46] <flexiondotorg> 😀
[23:48] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, there's another Ubuntu Family issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1719908
[23:48] <ouroumov_> I'd recommend users of Beta2 choose a really dumb password such as "aaa" if they notice when inputing their username that the keyboard layout doesn't match.
[23:50] <ouroumov_> Oh and flexiondotorg there's also this one, even if it's not new, but it should be mentioned: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1047384 because if users try full disk encryption without English keyboard they'll end up with unbootable system


[23:50] <astropirate> hello friends
[23:50] <astropirate> I didn't know this channel existed :)
[23:50] <astropirate> How does upstart actually stop a process? What signal does it send to the process to have it stop?
[23:59] <astropirate> nvm figured it out


[06:19] <infinity> xnox: There shouldn't be a transition.
[06:20] <infinity> xnox: 1.0.0->1.0.2 is a mistake, IMO, not a transition.  ie: we need to get our delta re-applied and UNDO any transition that happened.
[10:51] <xnox> infinity, but can you just remove the bogus src:openssl1.0 for now?
[10:51] <xnox> and e.g. I upload src:openssl that provides/builds a dummy libssl1.0-dev?
[10:51]  * xnox needs to think this through properly.
[10:52] <xnox> because we don't take all of openssl minor versions i thought; and cherry-pick CVE patches and fake the version number.
[10:54] <xnox> mdeslaur, what do you want to do with openssl? Do you at all want us to move from g -> j release in the 1.0 series?
[10:55] <xnox> or shall we just stay on g for now; wait to see how the new openssl plays out in debian, and then plan transition on our side.
[10:55]  * xnox will do that for now.
[11:02] <xnox> infinity, what do you think about RM openssl1.0 + upload src:openssl with a meta-package libssl1.0-dev Depends: libssl-dev for now?
[11:03] <xnox> and then if and when we take 1.1 transition; we merge src:openssl 1.1 properly and transition "quickly" because by that time debian should transition over already.
[11:03] <xnox> or do you want us to take 1.1 transition now?
[12:12] <xnox> mdeslaur, ^^^^
[12:12] <xnox> what is your preference about all of the above?
[12:13] <mdeslaur> My personal preference is to kill the openssl1.0 package and add whatever is required to the openssl package
[12:13] <infinity> xnox: 1.1 transition has nothing to do with if we take the source rename.
[12:13] <mdeslaur> until the time we do decide to migrate to 1.1, and then we can re-introduce it again
[12:13] <infinity> But I can delete openssl1.0
[12:13] <xnox> infinity, please do.
[12:13] <infinity> And you can rebuild everything that got a libssl1.0.2 dep.
[12:14] <infinity> Cause if/when we want openssl1.0, we'll need to apply our delta ANYWAY, so can't just sync it.
[12:14] <xnox> and if there are things that try to pull in libssl1.0-dev we can add that as a meta package to src:openssl; if need be.
[12:15] <infinity> xnox: Alright, it's removed.  Please do no-change rebuilds of anything that picked up a 1.0.2 dep (with any luck, it was just openssh)
[12:16] <xnox> ack
[12:16] <infinity> After the publisher removes it and rmadison says you're safe, of course.
[12:16] <xnox> naturally
[12:16]  * infinity goes to have a quick nap before work.
[12:16] <mdeslaur> thanks infinity, xnox
[12:25] <infinity> xnox: Oh, and of course, once openssh is fixed, you can smack retry on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/20101020ubuntu487/+build/11152258
[12:25]  * infinity really naps.


[11:42] <wii> the two sources that was unmarked, the universe
[11:42] <ogra> wii: and you refreshed indeed
[11:43] <wii> hmm that one im ot sure of =)
[11:43] <ogra> wii: :)
[11:44] <speel> is it a good idea to keep the system current?
[11:44] <mane1> hi
[11:44] <Vince-0> <<any1 Got ATI drivers workin on AMD64 arch ?>>
[11:44] <ogra> speel: with security updates ? yes....
[11:44] <wii> ogra ok i dident update =) but when i do i get error msgs
[11:45] <wii> ogra : that the repositorie isent in use
[11:45] <ogra> wii: set it up like here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/004.jpg/view
[11:45] <Fwiffo> Quest-Master: You could also have a look at Computer->System Configuration->Disks
[11:46] <wii> ogra ok thanks! my synaptic just crashed hihi but ill test that probobly will work :>
[11:47] <ogra> wii: it will, i promose :D
[11:47] <ogra> promise
[11:47] <ogra> hwhw
[11:47] <calamari-> does ubuntu come with wine ?
[11:47] <wii> ogra  =) laters, thanks
[11:48] <ogra> calamari-: wine is there, not by default though
[11:49] <calamari-> ogra: ahh, didn't see it in the cd package list.
[11:49] <mane1> i'm a newbie in linux. any1 knows ht install sd card memory?
[11:49] <ogra> calamari-: oh, i'm not sure if its on the cd
[11:50] <ogra> mane1: just plug it in ?
[11:50] <mane1> ogra: dont works
[11:50] <ogra> mane1: what kind of connection ? usb ?
[11:50] <mane1> ogra: i dont see it
[11:51] <Quest-Master> Fwiffo: There is no option Disks
[11:51] <calamari-> ogra: Doesn't seem like it.  I know it'd be in Debian's archive.  I'm still curious, can I download a DEB file and have it be installed by synaptic so that it knows about it, can be upgraded, uninstalled, etc?
[11:51] <Quest-Master> There is device manager though
[11:51] <mane1> ogra: it isnt usb
[11:51] <Fwiffo> Quest-Master: oh, sorry - im running Hoary so it's probably something new then
[11:51] <Quest-Master> What's Hoary?
[11:52] <ogra> calamari-: nope... the dependencys could break....99% of debian packages are in universe/multiverse
[11:52] <ogra> Quest-Master: the development branch
[11:52] <Quest-Master> Ah
[11:52] <Fwiffo> Quest-Master: It's the development branch og Ubuntu
[11:52] <ogra> Quest-Master: use it only if you can handle breakages
[11:52] <Quest-Master> Nah. :P
[11:52] <Fwiffo> Quest-Master: yes, I can vouch for that ;)
[11:52] <calamari-> ogra: I don't quite understand.  If I install universe/multiverse packages I could break the system dependencies?
[11:53] <ogra> mane1: what else ?
[11:53] <ogra> calamari-: nope, but if you install debian packages :)
[11:53] <mane1> ogra: just comes with the notebook
[11:53] <Fwiffo> Quest-Master: you can mout the disk automatically by putting it in /etc/fstab
[11:53] <mane1> ogra: the reader
[11:53] <ogra> mane1: what does the deviace manager show ?
[11:53] <Fwiffo> mount
[11:53] <ogra> device
[11:53] <z2nOnly> can anyone recommend a good gui p2p application?
[11:54] <calamari-> ogra: oic.. is there any option for someone like me with a slow connection to download the universe/multiverse packages I need elsewhere and then install them later on my machine?
[11:54] <mane1> cb710 memory card reader
[11:54] <Fwiffo> Quest-Master: do a google on it, there are plenty of examples lying around :)
[11:54] <speel> z2: limewire
[11:54] <ogra> calamari-: there was a thread on the mailing list....
[11:54] <Vince-0> <how do i see my kernel version ?>
[11:54] <z2nOnly> speel, thanks!
[11:55] <speel> np
[11:55] <ogra> mane1: has it a /dev/something entry in the device manager ?
[11:55] <mane1> vincet-o: when you boot
[11:55] <ogra> Vince-0: uname -r
[11:55] <Vince-0> thnkz
[11:56] <ogra> speel: but now say that he/she also needs java ;)
[11:56] <Vince-0> ogra: X-win version ?
[11:56] <mane1> ogra: says Device:Unknown
[11:56] <ogra> mane1: on the detailed tab....
[11:57] <ogra> Vince-0: hmm.... probably in /var/log/XFree86.log
[11:57] <wii> ogra !! it works :P wiiii \o/
[11:57] <Vince-0> thnkz
[11:57] <ogra> :)
[11:57] <ogra> Vince-0: anywhere in the first lines....
[11:57] <mane1> ogra: /sys/devices/pci0000 ...
[11:58] <Quest-Master> Ok
[11:58] <Quest-Master> I'll try it Fwiffo
[11:58] <ogra> mane1: so no /dev entry ....
[11:58] <Quest-Master> Is it normally supposed to be automatically mounted though?
[11:58] <ogra> Quest-Master: win ? nope
[11:59] <Quest-Master> ;-;
[11:59] <mane1> ogra: No. there isnt Device:Unknown
[11:59] <z2nOnly> speel, is limewire available thru synaptic?