[09:12] <ogra> lool, merci :)
[13:00] <lag> ogra: Why is my file system becoming fried when I install my own kernel on OMAP3 daily build?
[13:00] <ogra> no idea, must be a kernel bug :P
[13:00] <lag> fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2
[13:00] <lag> /dev/mmcblk0p2: The filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 533515 blocks
[13:00] <lag> The physical size of the device is 532153 blocks
[13:00] <lag> Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt!
[13:00] <ogra> which filesystem exactly ?
[13:00] <lag> Don't be silly
[13:00] <ogra> ah, not the vfat
[13:00] <lag> Nope
[13:01] <ogra> is that after or before installation ?
[13:01] <ogra> i.e. after or before the autoreboot
[13:01] <lag> I dd, mount, put on my initrd-uimage-boot.scr, umount, boot
[13:02] <lag> I'll get you the full log
[13:02] <ogra> you shouldnt have an fsck at all at that stage
[13:02] <ogra> i dont get why you (or lool) even get one
[13:02]  * lag *shrugs*
[13:03] <ogra> the fsck should only happen after the partition table was newly written and the automatic reboot happened
[13:03] <lag> It's your toy, you tell me
[13:03] <ogra> until the reboot there is no fsck at all
[13:03] <lag> Clearly there is
[13:03] <lag> I didn't know it was happening to lool too
[13:03] <ogra> did it even reboot ?
[13:04] <lag> AFAIK it happens on first boot
[13:04] <ogra> right, i hear you, *did it reboot at some point*
[13:04] <rcn-ee> first boot? you have 'fixrtc' set right in your bootargs?
[13:04] <ogra> rcn-ee, isnt needed on first boot anymore
[13:05] <ogra> only on subsequent ones
[13:05] <lag> http://paste.ubuntu.com/482869/
[13:05] <lag> That's my boot.scr
[13:05] <ogra> if it gets to an fsck before rebooting, then something with the reboot is wrong
[13:06] <ogra> which in tunr points to either a busybox or kernel bug
[13:06] <rcn-ee> anyreason for no 'ro' in that? or isn't that needed anymore either?
[13:06] <ogra> rcn-ee, it gets changed after first reboot
[13:06] <ogra> jasper rewrites the kernel cmdline
[13:08] <lag> So there's nothing wrong with my boot.scr?
[13:08] <ogra> jasper does: kick in in initramfs *before* anything gets mounted, then repartitions according to teh SD size, reformats the vfat completely, grows the rootfs to full size, touches the last mouted stamp on the FS, mounts it, does some setup and then reboots into oem-config
[13:09] <ogra> *before* oem-config runs, the system does its first fsck
[13:09] <lag> http://paste.ubuntu.com/482871/
[13:09] <rcn-ee> ah, cool..
[13:10] <lag> ogra: Where does Jasper get it's kernel from?
[13:10] <ogra> from the vfat
[13:10] <lag> "reformats the vfat completely"
[13:10] <ogra> right for that part it pulls it from /boot
[13:11] <lag> So if I want to test another kernel, I have to put it in there too?
[13:11] <ogra> the booting kernel is the uImage, the kernel after first reboot is a new uImage from /boot
[13:11] <ogra> yeah
[13:11] <lag> Great!
[13:11] <ogra> but your initrd seems strange in that log
[13:11] <lag> It's one I built
[13:11] <ogra> aha
[13:12] <lag> What's wrong with it?
[13:12] <ogra> its missing jasper completely
[13:12] <lag> Ahhhhhhhhhh
[13:12] <ogra> you should see a lot of jasper messages after line 260
[13:12] <asac> ogra: is omap4 in good state?
[13:12] <lag> You certainly know how to make my job difficult don't you?
[13:12] <ogra> the first part of jasper is a local-premount script and is still very niosy
[13:12] <ogra> asac, no
[13:12] <ogra> asac, nothing is in a good state atm
[13:12] <asac> would anyone of you be able to test an image if we produced one at some point for us?
[13:13] <asac> just headless -> on sd ... booting -> done ;)
[13:13] <asac> not now ... in a few days
[13:13] <ogra> telepathy-glib prevents image buiolding currently and oem-config is broken (upload pending)
[13:13] <asac> we dont have omap4 atm :((
[13:13] <lag> asac: Yes
[13:13] <ogra> asac, sure, no prob, just ping me with an url once you have iot
[13:13] <asac> good stuff ...
[13:13] <asac> ogra: could you give me the mkimage paramaters ;)?
[13:14] <asac> parameters ... damn my fingers never get it right
[13:15] <lag> ogra: What am I going to do about this? Is it just a matter of installing Jasper? Or are there other hidden nasties that you've implemented?
[13:15] <ogra> asac, they are the same as for omap3
[13:15] <asac> ogra: and if possible a good boot cmdline ;)
[13:16] <asac> ok good for the uimage
[13:16] <ogra> lag, have a chroot with jasper in it and run update-initramfs there
[13:16] <ogra> mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x80008000 -e 0x80008000 -n "Ubuntu Kernel" -d "$uboot_input_kernel" "$uboot_kernel"
[13:16] <ogra> mkimage -A arm -O linux -T ramdisk -C gzip -a 0x0 -e 0x0 -n "Ubuntu Initrd" -d "$uboot_input_initrd" "$uboot_initrd"
[13:16] <ogra> from the debian-cd script
[13:16] <ogra> asac, ^^^
[13:17] <ogra> asac, and see lag's paste above for a boot.scr
[13:17] <ogra> oh, wait, thats omap3
[13:17] <asac> ogra: ok found it
[13:18] <asac> oh
[13:18] <asac> ;)
[13:18] <asac> looked really too similar ;)
[13:19] <ogra> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/482874/
[13:19] <ogra> thats better
[13:19] <lag> ogra: How do you install Jasper?
[13:19] <ogra> uboot_kernel_addr="0x80000000"
[13:19] <ogra> uboot_ramdisk_addr="0x81600000"
[13:19] <ogra> lag, apt-get install jasper in the chroot you use
[13:20] <asac> board_opts="mem=463M"
[13:20] <asac>  ?
[13:20] <ogra> yeah, needed
[13:20] <asac> thanks
[13:20] <lag> Tried that
[13:20] <lag> E: Unable to locate package jasper
[13:20] <ogra> lag, its in main
[13:20] <ogra> lag, only in maverick though
[13:24]  * lag had an empty sources.list file
[13:25] <lag> Err http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/main armel Packages
[13:25] <lag>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[13:25] <lag> Doh
[13:25] <lool> ogra: I told you that size of the fs issue would bite you in real life!!
[13:26] <ogra> lool, no, it wouldnt if jasper would be executed
[13:26] <ogra> lool, you didnt by chance keep a log from your broken boot test, did you ?
[13:28] <lag> ogra: Why isn't it finding the armel packages?
[13:28] <lag> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main
[13:28] <lag> ?
[13:29] <ogra> lool, the point is that the initial rootfs is never used or touched, the whole thing gets adjusted before any fsclk, mount or other filesystem operations happen, while the corruption is ugly it *must* be gone after jasper has run
[13:29] <ogra> so it shouldnt affect anyone unless jasper doesnt run
[13:29] <ogra> lag, you want pool
[13:30] <lag> ?
[13:31] <lag> Instead of dists?
[13:31] <lool> ogra: I suspect resize2fs is running fsck or some equivalent
[13:31] <lool> ogra: I don't think it's the boot triggering fsck
[13:31] <lool> ogra: I'm not sure it's clear, but the issue seeems to indicate a corrupted to start with!!
[13:33] <lag> ogra:
[13:33] <lag> deb http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted universe multiverse
[13:33] <lag> deb-src http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted universe multiverse
[13:33] <ogra> lool, jasper runs an fsck thats fully redirected to the logfile *right after* the new partitions were written
[13:33] <ogra> lool, there is no way that you see *any* error message from that if jasper ran successfully ... and *after* jasper ran there shouldnt be any corruption anymore
[13:34] <ogra> my point is that the corruption will not affect the actually installed filesystem
[13:34] <ogra> i ageree that it needs to be fixed, but of the setup worked right you will never ever be able to even get any info about that corruption apart from jasper.log
[13:35] <lag> ogra: Are those sources.list entries correct?
[13:35] <ogra> if you *see* an fsck during boot, something went completely wrong (i.e. jasper wasnt executed, you didnt use a 4G SD card etc)
[13:35] <ogra> lag, no, needs to be ports.ubuntu.com
[13:35] <lag> k thanks
[13:35] <ogra> the ports archive isnt mirrored
[13:36] <persia> lag, s|uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu|ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports|
[13:36] <ogra> oh, right
[13:36] <ogra> i missed /ubuntu-ports
[13:36] <persia> Rather, nobody has yet announced a public URL with a mirror.  There exist some number of mirrors that aren't announced (I know of at least 4, but none better for the UK than ports.ubuntu.com)
[13:37]  * ogra knows one
[13:37] <ogra> but i guess there is a reason thats not announced anywhere
[13:38] <lag> ogra: It's in your house?
[13:38] <persia> I can't speak for anyone else, but I haven't announced mine because I don't serve it from a stable IP.
[13:38] <ogra> lag, nah :)
[13:39] <lag> ogra:
[13:39] <lag> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[13:39] <lag>   apt-xapian-index aptitude bc bogl-bterm consolekit cpp cpp-4.4 cryptsetup dbus defoma devio dmraid dosfstools ecryptfs-utils flash-kernel
[13:39] <lag>   fontconfig fontconfig-config gcc-4.4-base gconf2-common gettext-base gir1.0-glib-2.0 hicolor-icon-theme hwdata iso-codes jasper keyutils
[13:39] <lag>   language-selector-common laptop-detect libasound2 libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3
[13:39] <lag>   libboost-iostreams1.42.0 libbsd0 libcairo2 libcanberra-gtk-module libcanberra-gtk0 libcanberra0 libcheese-gtk18 libck-connector0
[13:39] <lag>   libclass-accessor-perl libcroco3 libcups2 libcwidget3 libdatrie1 libdbus-glib-1-2 libdebconfclient0 libdebian-installer4 libdmraid1.0.0.rc16
[13:39] <lag>   libecryptfs0 libeggdbus-1-0 libept1 libexpat1 libffi5 libfontconfig1 libfontenc1 libfreetype6 libgconf2-4 libgcrypt11 libgdbm3 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
[13:39] <lag>   libgirepository1.0-1 libgmp3c2 libgnome-desktop-2-17 libgnutls26 libgpg-error0 libgssapi-krb5-2 libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 libgstreamer0.10-0
[13:39] <lag>   libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common libgudev-1.0-0 libice6 libicu42 libidl0 libio-string-perl libiw30 libjasper1 libjpeg62 libk5crypto3
[13:39] <ogra> god !
[13:39] <lag>   libkeyutils1 libkrb5-3 libkrb5support0 libldap-2.4-2 libltdl7 libmpfr4 libnspr4-0d libnss3-1d libogg0 liborbit2 libpam-ck-connector libpango1.0-0
[13:39] <persia> !paste
[13:39] <ogra> use a pastebin !
[13:39] <lag>   libpango1.0-common libparse-debianchangelog-perl libparted0debian1 libpixman-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libpython2.6 librsvg2-2 libsasl2-2
[13:39] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[13:39] <lag>   libsasl2-modules libsigc++-2.0-0c2a libsm6 libstartup-notification0 libsub-name-perl libtasn1-3 libtdb1 libthai-data libthai0 libtiff4
[13:39] <lag>   libtimedate-perl libvorbis0a libvorbisfile3 libx11-6 libx11-data libxapian15 libxau6 libxcb-atom1 libxcb-aux0 libxcb-event1 libxcb-render0
[13:39] <lag>   libxcb-shm0 libxcb1 libxcomposite1 libxcursor1 libxdamage1 libxdmcp6 libxext6 libxfixes3 libxfont1 libxft2 libxi6 libxinerama1 libxml2 libxrandr2
[13:39] <lag>   libxrender1 lsof make oem-config oem-config-debconf os-prober parted perl perl-modules python-apt python-cairo python-dbus python-debian
[13:39] <lag>   python-gobject pyt
[13:39] <lag> Argggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
[13:40] <lag> Paste bin is not as much fun!
[13:40] <ogra> heh
[13:40] <persia> Yeah, but not using one reliably makes me go fiddle with IRC commands :p
[13:40] <ogra> anyway, jasper depends on oem-config indeed
[13:40] <lag> persia: I noticed
[13:40] <lool> ogra: Again, I'm not sure you see that the problem is *earlier*
[13:40] <ogra> the other deps you see are all oem-config deps
[13:40] <lool> ogra: I'm pretty sure the issue is that the fs in the image itself is truncated
[13:41] <lool> whatever you do starting from there is bound to suffer from the corruption
[13:41] <ogra> lool, well, but where did your fsck come from ?
[13:41] <ogra> there is no technical possibility that you ever see any output of fsck if jasper ran
[13:42] <lool> ogra: My understanding is that jsaper does a resize2fs
[13:42] <ogra> lool, jasper runs completely silently *all* output of any subcommands is redirected to a logfile
[13:43] <lool> Well I still got some output apparently
[13:43] <ogra> if jasper ran there cant be any discrepancy between the partitioning and the fs anymore
[13:43] <lool> Note that your pipe + read might not be enough to stop commands from writing to /dev/tty
[13:43] <lag> What type of bot is ubot2?
[13:43] <ogra> since the rootfs partition was resized (no matter of the corruption or not, sfdisk doesnt care)
[13:44] <ogra> lool, well, then someone must have secretly uploaded a changed jasper :) we had various bugs and breakages that caused fsck errors that only show up in the log
[13:45] <ogra> i wouldnt know why that suddenly would change and ignore a redirect of stderr and stdout
[13:46] <lool> Well it's just a guess
[13:46] <ogra> well, my guess is that jasper didnt run at all for you
[13:46] <lool> either the fs is corrupted in the image, or it gets corrupted in the resize
[13:47] <lool> ogra: http://people.canonical.com/~lool/fsck.png
[13:48] <ogra> lool, there is no initramfs output at all
[13:48] <lool> ogra: It's earlier
[13:48] <lool> ogra: But I can't scroll back
[13:48] <ogra> do you have a shot of that too ?
[13:48] <lool> Let me try with serial console
[13:48] <ogra> ah, darn
[13:48] <lool> ogra: is there a way to turn serial console output during boot?
[13:48] <ogra> only by changing boot.scr on the vfat
[13:49] <ogra> as long as plymouth breaks once console= is set we cant make it a default else we wont have any splash anymore
[13:49] <ogra> (second boot is completely with splash etc)
[13:51] <lool> ogra: Can you give me the commands to run to type in u-boot?
[13:51] <ogra> one sec
[13:51] <lool> I don't have a boot.scr nearby
[13:52] <ogra> fatload mmc 0:1 0x80000000 uImage
[13:52] <ogra> fatload mmc 0:1 0x81600000 uInitrd
[13:52] <lool> So I'm on the serial line
[13:52] <lool> ** Unable to use mmc 0:1 for fatload **
[13:52] <lool> mmc init
[13:52] <ogra> sh, indeed
[13:52] <ogra> s/sh/ah/
[13:52] <lool> Ok, this is done
[13:52] <lool> Now the tricky part
[13:52] <ogra> setenv bootargs vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60 console=ttyS2,115200n root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 fixrtc
[13:52] <ogra> bootm 0x80000000 0x81600000
[13:52] <lool> thanks, booting
[13:53] <lag> ogra: !paste
[13:53] <lag> Lol
[13:53] <lag> :D
[13:53] <ogra> :P
[13:53] <lool> I get kernel output on serial console at least
[13:54] <lag> ogra: So now I have Jasper installed, when I run my usual script to build an initrd, Jasper will just appear in there yes?
[13:54] <ogra> if jasper is inside the chroot you run upadte-initramfs in it will end up inside the initrd, yes
[13:55] <lag> Jasper is installed in the chroot, yes
[13:55] <ogra> well, then it should end up in your initrd
[13:55]  * lag crosses fingers
[13:56] <lool> ogra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/482895/
[13:57] <ogra> lool, it doesnt reboot after line 30 ?
[13:57] <lool> ogra: no
[13:57] <ogra> aha
[13:57] <ogra> thats one of the issues, can you try booting a second time ?
[13:58] <lool> that will behave differently
[13:58] <ogra> right
[13:58] <lool> ogra: I'm quite busy for doing long testing; would you be interested in looking into it with qemu?
[13:58] <lool> it's not hard to reproduce in qemu
[13:58] <ogra> lool, also /var/log/jasper.log would be intresting
[13:59] <ogra> well, using these images in qemu will require a lot of tinkering with images in advance
[13:59] <lool> ogra: Why is that?
[13:59] <ogra> because the FS needs to actually be resized
[14:00] <ogra> if you just boot the img file there is no spare space
[14:00] <lool> Yes, which exposes this bug which apparently other people are seeing
[14:00] <ogra> so you would need to create a 4G image and dd the img file into it to have the proper way
[14:00] <lool> As I noted in email, if I append some zeroes at the end of the image, I don't get this issue
[14:00] <lool> like 10 MBs or so
[14:00] <ogra> yes, the bug is on antimony side though
[14:01] <lool> ogra: It's trivial to add space to the QEMU SD backing image...
[14:01] <lool> dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=10240 >> /tmp/maverick-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.img
[14:01] <ogra> but it shouldnt appear if there is space to resize to, the resizing "fixes" the filesystem
[14:02] <ogra> thats why we dont see it (apart from jasper.log) on real installs
[14:02] <lag> Has the meeting been cancelled?
[14:02] <ogra> lag, nope
[14:02] <lool> ogra: Ok; I have other things to work on and I'm not blocked by that bug; I found it relevant to share what I believe is a bug in the Ubuntu images exposed by testing in QEMU, but it's time consuming for me to make my point and I have tons of other things to look into, sorry
[14:03] <ogra> lool, yeah, understood, thanks for pointing it out
[14:03] <lool> I can share the recipe to reproduce, but you don't seem interested in resolving what appears to me as a bug in the jasper scripts
[14:03] <ogra> its not in jasper
[14:03] <ogra> the FS is apparently corrupt without resizing
[14:03] <ogra> which means its corrupt at creation time
[14:04] <ogra> and thats surely something i'll look at
[14:04] <ogra> what is worrying me more though is that the reboot doesnt work
[14:13] <lag> ogra: When I build my own initrd, do I have to execute depmod at any stage? If so, what stage?
[14:13] <lool> ogra: Well I'm not entirely sure it's corrupt at image creation time
[14:13] <ogra> update-initramfs does that iirc
[14:14] <lool> ogra: jasper resizes the partitions before calling resize2fs, to it might get that part wrong...
[14:14] <ogra> lool, only your jasper.log could tell :)
[14:14] <ogra> but after you sent me that mail i checked a jasper.log and i see corruption there
[14:15] <lool> ogra: Well perhaps you can reproduce in QEMU and dig the info you need?  It's not hard, the .debs are pre-built, wont mess your other qemu, and you just need a maverick daily image to try out
[14:15] <ogra> lool, i will
[14:17] <lool> NCommander: I've just pasted the bug id on #linaro, but you don't seem to be in there
[14:17] <lool> NCommander: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/623375
[14:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 623375 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "Skipping the bootloader installation when creating rootfs or installation media (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[14:18] <ogra> lool, i pointed him to it in the arm meeting
[14:18] <NCommander> lool: yeah, I saw that. Whoops on my part, though ideally, we shouldn't directly run update-initramfs in a chroot either
[14:22] <lool> NCommander: I don't see an issue with running update-initramfs in a chroot, in fact it's the only way to generate an initrd
[14:23] <lag> ogra: ?
[14:23] <ogra> lag, ?
[14:23] <lag> Look up
 update-initramfs does that iirc
[14:23] <NCommander> lool: I meant run it if a trigger calls it; we should run it if the user calls it directly. Obviously the generic bit of generic subarch detection is a bit too generic :-)
[14:23] <ogra> look up too ;)
[14:23] <lool> NCommander: I don't think we want to run flash-kernel though
[14:24] <lool> Which is what the bug is about
[14:24] <NCommander> lool: I think we can detect the chroot via a syscall (I remember there's a way to do it in C), and then we can adjust what we do based off that
[14:24] <ogra> lool, before NCommander changed it it wouldnt have executed :)
 lag: update-initramfs does that iirc
[14:24] <lag> :)
[14:24] <ogra> lool, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-maverick-arm-improved-subarch-detection
[14:25] <NCommander> ogra: right, since flash-kernel --supported would have ailed
[14:25] <NCommander> *failed
[14:25]  * NCommander needs a new keyboard
[14:27] <lool> NCommander: it's a bad idea to detect the chroot
[14:27] <lool> NCommander: d-i and ubiquity will install into /target, where you do want flash-kernel to run
[14:28] <NCommander> lool: we can have special logic in flash-kernel-installer to simply manually call flash-kernel and work around the problem.
[14:28] <NCommander> but point taken
[14:28] <NCommander> lool: what do you suggest for a solution?
[14:29] <lag> ogra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/482907/
[14:30] <ogra> lag, cool !
[14:30] <lag> How is that cool?
[14:30] <ogra> it works
[14:31] <lag> ogra: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.35-18-omap/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[14:31] <ogra> ignore that, you get to ubiquity-dm
[14:32] <ogra> (which doesnt start because of a bug in oem-config)
[14:32] <lag> I don't want to ignore that
[14:32] <lag> I want to fix that :)
[14:35] <lag> ogra: -^
[14:44] <lool> NCommander: well it was discussed in the bug already
[14:44] <NCommander> lool: I haven't had a chance to read it. LP from China is ... interesting
[14:45] <lool> NCommander: Oh you're there already, how is it?
[14:45] <lool> Chinese?
[14:45] <ogra> lost of meo-burgers :)
[14:45] <NCommander> lool: I've been here for a little over a week and a half :-)
[14:45] <ogra> *meow
[14:45] <NCommander> ogra: that's vietnam
[14:59] <NCommander> ian_brasil: so, I admit, I haven't looked at the liquid stuff in-depth. Do you have a seed yet?
[14:59] <ian_brasil> yes
[14:59] <NCommander> (or a metapackage, but a seed is preferable)
[14:59] <NCommander> oooh
[14:59] <NCommander> handy
[14:59] <GrueMaster> ogra: you really should watch food network sometime.  You'd know that in china, dog is the meat of choice.
[14:59] <NCommander> ian_brasil: so if I build a chroot, and then do apt-get install kubuntu-liquid^, everything works?
[15:00] <ian_brasil> no
[15:00] <NCommander> ian_brasil: it doesn't?
[15:00]  * NCommander admits he's not sure what your seed name is
[15:00] <ian_brasil> no ..we dropped the liquid name
[15:00] <ian_brasil> liquid was just a code name
[15:01] <NCommander> ian_brasil: oops, I'm out of the loop >.<;
[15:01] <ian_brasil> damn..fire alarm..back in a minute
[15:13] <ian_brasil> excitement over
[15:13] <ian_brasil> NCommander: the meta package is kubuntu-mobile
[15:13] <ian_brasil> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+package/kubuntu-mobile
[15:13] <NCommander> ian_brasil: heh
[15:14] <NCommander> ian_brasil: right, next step is to modify livecd-rootfs to add it as an image target
[15:14] <NCommander> ian_brasil: its pretty straightforward on where the edits have to be made. Only thing is you want to pull by task, and not metapackage
[15:15] <ian_brasil> ok
[15:16] <ian_brasil> we have done that before i seem to remember
[15:19] <ian_brasil> NCommander: i will ping you when that is done
[15:19] <mopdenacker> ogra: Hi! I was wondering what OMAP3 boards you support in your OMAP prebuilt images. Just the Beagle board?
[15:20] <ogra> cureently just the beagle, yes
[15:20] <NCommander> ian_brasil: thanks. I can't merge or do the upload, but I can guide you with the edits and doing some initial testing
[15:20] <mopdenacker> ogra: all right, thanks!
[15:20] <ogra> mopdenacker, iegp2 might work if you have a special u-boot, gumstix too
[15:20] <ogra> ootb only beagle though
[15:21] <rsalveti> mopdenacker: ogra: xm should also work, but we have a mmc issue
[15:21] <ogra> err, indeed, i counted that as beagle :)
[15:21] <rsalveti> ogra: there are just too many different beagles at the marked hah
[15:22] <rsalveti> b, c, XM
[15:22] <ogra> C4 and XM are the ones we'll support by release day
[15:22] <rsalveti> sure
[15:22] <ogra> b will likely have issues to even boot
[15:22] <rsalveti> hehe, probably
[15:22] <ogra> at least our current images
[15:22] <rsalveti> unless we get a minimal image, no way to support it
[15:22] <rsalveti> even for simple boot
[15:23] <ogra> right
[15:23] <rsalveti> mine is running well with a simple rootstock fs
[15:23] <GrueMaster> ogra: Any chance of building an alt-inst image?
[15:23] <ogra> GrueMaster, nope
[15:23] <GrueMaster> ok.
[15:23] <rsalveti> ogra: I commented at the ureadahead bug, it doesn't make any difference for us
[15:23] <rsalveti> I checked that
[15:23] <ogra> GrueMaster, we are fully focused on preinstalled images and would have no way to support systems without NAND in a sane way atm
[15:24] <rsalveti> but let's wait for the new rewrite
[15:24] <rsalveti> and it doesn't make any sense to run until we get OOM, doesn't help at all
[15:24] <ogra> rsalveti, yeah, i talked to Keybuk already this morning (thats why he commented on the bug)
[15:24] <GrueMaster> ogra: ok.
[15:24] <rsalveti> ogra: I saw that, and at the time I got to irc he wasn't there anymore
[15:24] <ogra> GrueMaster, would be good to probably address that in N
[15:25] <ogra> oh, he dropped again ... ? bah
[15:25] <GrueMaster> ogra: What about a preinst-min image?
[15:25] <rsalveti> ogra: so let's wait for the new version, then we can test
[15:25] <ogra> GrueMaster, requires time i dont have
[15:25] <GrueMaster> Minor mods needed.
[15:25] <rsalveti> but I doubt it will make any difference
[15:25] <ogra> no, massive mods needed
[15:25] <GrueMaster> Ok, just a suggestion.
[15:25] <ogra> thats the prob
[15:25] <rsalveti> but will be happy to be wrong
[15:25] <ogra> there apparently is a base image already that has been implemented for special purposes
[15:26] <ogra> to change that requires a ton of changes
[15:26] <ogra> (it doesnt build an image, just a base tarball for local testing purpose)
[15:27] <ogra> GrueMaster, i'd love to have it, but the current quality of the images we actually have makes me thing that i wont find the time
[15:27] <ogra> *think
[15:27]  * ogra gest some coffee
[15:28] <GrueMaster> Actually, if we had them, it might be easier to debug netbook image issues.
[15:28] <GrueMaster> And daily image testing could continue at a limited pace.
[15:29]  * GrueMaster remembers making this same arguement months ago.
[15:32] <rsavoye> so I have a new imx51 "SmartTop" system sitting here I want to upgrade to maverick. Will it break ?
[15:34] <ogra> GrueMaster, yes, and i said "i'd love to have them but i dont know if i have the time"
[15:34] <ogra> rsavoye, no idea, we dropped imx51 support with lucid
[15:35] <rsavoye> bummer. Can I upgrade and leave the kernel alone ?
[15:35] <ogra> mater of luck i guess
[15:35] <rsavoye> it's running karmic now
[15:36] <GrueMaster> rsavoye: You'd need to bump the kernel.  Karmic was Armv6+vfp.
[15:36] <GrueMaster> Might be as easy as copying the config and rebuilding.
[15:36] <ogra> it might be possible to run v7 userspace with a v6 compiled kernel, not sure
[15:37] <ogra> as long as your userspace is all v7
[15:37] <ogra> i'D just keep a backup of the original system and try it :)
[15:37] <rsavoye> so to do the user space hack, I'd just change sources.list?
[15:37] <ogra> yes
[15:37] <rsavoye> guess I'll let you know :-)
[15:37] <ogra> but really, keep a backup !
[15:38] <rsavoye> it's fresh hardware, so nothing to loose
[15:38] <ogra> GrueMaster, our buildds were all running v5 compiled kernels until we got the babbage boards in the DC
[15:38] <ogra> there were issues but i dont know if they were caused by v5 vs 6/7
[15:40] <rsavoye> is ther an easy way to block upgrading the kernel when I upgrade everything else ?
[15:41] <ogra> it shuldnt upgrade the kernel unless you already have an ubuntu kernel package
[15:41] <ogra> which i doubt
[15:41] <rsavoye> cool, I'll give it a try
[15:42] <mopdenacker> rsavoye: I confirm. I use Lucid on my IGEPv2 board, and everything gets updated, except my custom kernel.
[15:42] <GrueMaster> rsavoye: YOu can try to do a dist-upgrade, but cancel when it asks to continue.  Then do a manual install on individual packages.
[15:43] <rsavoye> dist-upgrade or update-manager -d ?
[15:44] <ogra> both should work
[15:44] <ogra> or do-release-upgrade
[15:44] <ogra> (the cli version of update-manager)
[15:48] <rsavoye> ah, I'll try that
[15:53] <mopdenacker> ogra: did you solve your issue with the latest preinstalled images? I'm asking because we need to make our own for our internal releases, and I need your howto on this...
[15:54] <ogra> mopdenacker, half of it
[16:00] <mopdenacker> ogra: thanks for the status update. Good luck with the second half!
[16:01] <ogra> mopdenacker, second half is a package failing to build which keeps us from rolling images atm we're trying to get that fixed asap
[16:05] <ogra> hey devilhorns
[16:05] <devilhorns> hi ogra :)
[16:05] <ogra> just sent a mail your way :)
[16:05] <devilhorns> oh super :)
[16:05] <devilhorns> guess yesterday was just bad timing :)
[16:05] <ogra> yeah
[16:05] <devilhorns> hehehe
[16:05] <ogra> which TZ are you in ?
[16:05]  * ogra is in europe
[16:06] <devilhorns> EST
[16:06] <devilhorns> in america
[16:06] <devilhorns> east coast
[16:06] <bench_adidas> hi, what kind of hardware can you use ubuntu on?
[16:06] <bench_adidas> can you give me a system example?
[16:07] <ogra> ah, east coast is fine, the time you replied looked more like asian morning to me :)
[16:07] <devilhorns> ogra, k, just got the mail
[16:07] <ogra> great
[16:07] <ogra> davidm, meet devilhorns
[16:07] <ogra> :)
[16:07] <robclark> rsalveti: I sent you a uImage..
[16:07] <hrw> bench_adidas: omap3, omap4, i.mx51
[16:07] <devilhorns> ogra, well, was up late last night talking to raster :) and working on some code
[16:07] <robclark> it will either not boot at all, work perfectly, or something in between ;-)
[16:08] <devilhorns> hi davidm :)
[16:09] <bench_adidas> can i get a system example please?
[16:10] <ogra> bench_adidas, C4 beagle board will work with 10.10, marvell dove and freescale babbage too
[16:10] <bench_adidas> is there one? an example or is this topic the new sh!t
[16:10] <ogra> err 10.04
[16:10] <bench_adidas> ?...
[16:11] <bench_adidas> ah! cool!
[16:11] <ogra> the dove isnt on sale and the babbage is really expensive
[16:12] <devilhorns> ogra, typing up a response now wrt that email :)
[16:12] <ogra> devilhorns, awesome :)
[16:13] <bench_adidas> babbage is named after a character eh!
[16:14] <ogra> likely, ask freescale marketing dept. :)
[16:14] <bench_adidas> OMAP3 processor <<< only uses 2 watts?
[16:14] <ogra> its ARM, sure :)
[16:15] <bench_adidas> ogra, r u supposed to be a computr architech?
[16:16] <ogra> me ?
[16:16] <bench_adidas> oh-gra!
[16:17] <ogra> i'm a software integrator ...
[16:17] <bench_adidas> ive never herd of software inegrator
[16:17] <ogra> stealing work from others and making OSes out of them :)
[16:17] <devilhorns> lol
[16:18] <davidm> hello devilhorns
[16:18] <devilhorns> hi davidm :)
[16:19] <davidm> I'll look forward to your response to ogra's email
[16:19] <devilhorns> :) about to send it now
[16:26] <devilhorns> ogra, in my day, we called that Systems Integration :)
[16:26] <ogra> yeah, probably the better term :)
[16:26] <devilhorns> :)
[16:53] <bench_adidas> bye channel. thanks
[17:43] <rsalveti> robclark: thanks, will try now
[17:43] <rsalveti> was at lunch :-)
[17:43] <robclark> cool
[17:48] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: and your es2, how is it going?
[17:49] <GrueMaster> Had to clean up a large area of my office yesterday to accommodate it along with my XM & Dove.  Just getting the final wiring in place now.
[17:50] <GrueMaster> I did manage to get it booting to X and netbook-launcher-efl Friday.
[17:51] <rsalveti> cool
[17:51] <rsalveti> hopefully we're getting ours next week
[17:58] <rsavoye> hope your XM board works better than mine...
[18:00] <rsalveti> mine only works with mem=256M :-)
[18:00] <rsalveti> but it's a P8
[18:10] <rsavoye> oh well, looks like I just wedged my imx51 board :-( Time to start over
[18:11] <rsalveti> rsavoye: if you got the kernel and the boot loader working, I'd suggest you to generate a rootfs with rootstock
[18:11] <rsalveti> just a minimal, so you can get something to work with maverick
[18:11] <rsavoye> it hangs after "init crypto disks"
[18:12] <rsalveti> maverick?
[18:12] <rsavoye> this was after upgrading to maverick user space on the karmic kernel
[18:12] <ogra> rsavoye, on a serial console ?
[18:12] <ogra> you might not have serial getty enabled
[18:13] <ogra> (doesnt happen by default)
[18:13] <rsavoye> hdmi monitor
[18:13] <ogra> ah, k
[18:13] <rsavoye> I guess I should pop the cover off the SmartTop an insatll the serial dongle
[18:14] <ogra> well, it should work on a monitor for sure
[18:14] <rsavoye> that's what I hoped
[18:14] <ogra> also its weird that you have crypto disks installed
[18:14] <rsavoye> I get a bunch of boot messages then it hangs
[18:14] <rsavoye> I don't think I did, not sure where that came from
[18:14] <ogra> i think thats only kept by the installer if you actually chose to encrypt your homedir
[18:15] <rsavoye> al I did was an upgrade :-)
[18:15] <ogra> well, its an upgrade
[18:15] <rsavoye> no user dir beyond the default one
[18:15] <ogra> *someone* picked to install it :)
[18:15] <rsavoye> poltergists are hell...
[18:15] <ogra> hehe
[18:16] <rsalveti> robclark: well, the display works :-)
[18:17] <rsalveti> robclark: can see 2 penguins and the boot log
[18:17] <rsalveti> but got stuck after udev
[18:17] <rsalveti> but I only got your uImage, so could be missing modules and stuff
[18:18] <rsalveti> robclark: which tree is this one?
[18:30]  * prpplague looks around for a blue box
[18:33] <devilhorns> ol
[18:35] <devilhorns> err lol
[18:35] <devilhorns> dunno what happened to the first L there
[18:36] <devilhorns> ogra, around ?
[18:40] <devilhorns> ogra, ok, well when you get this, could you email me a list of packages that I will need to focus on ? Obviously the standard EFL libs and such, but not sure what other ones there may be. Thanks :)
[18:58] <robclark> rsalveti: prpplague found something interesting..
[18:58] <robclark> I'd been enabling only one 1fb.. but when 2nd fb is enabled then it doesn't work
[18:58] <robclark> so I think we have something to go on now
[18:58] <rsalveti> hm, ok
[18:58] <prpplague> rsalveti: all of th e patches work, but when only 1 fb is enabled
[18:58] <robclark> rsalveti: try with your existing kernel tree.. and change # of fb's to 1..  which I think you can even do w/ a bootarg
[18:58] <prpplague> rsalveti: you can change the .config to turn those off
[19:01] <rsalveti> prpplague: robclark: interesting, will try
[19:18] <robclark> prpplague, rsalveti: I see what the issue is.. will have a fix in a bit
[19:19] <robclark> basically fb1 gets updated with new size, instead of fb0
[19:19] <robclark> but I'm not completely sure if it is the same issue that rsalveti sees..  with this issue, you'd still see scrambled picture, rather than no picture
[19:19] <robclark> brb
[19:22] <prpplague> robclark: well it depends on the display, some displays won't even display the scrambled picture to do incorrect data
[19:26] <robclark> prpplague: hmm.. from display standpoint, the signal timings should be good.. so from monitor's point of view the picture is just fine.. the user is just looking at some abstract art ;-)
[19:29] <robclark> (well, ok, you could run into some issues switching from lower to higher resolution, if you've exceeded the size of your framebuffer)
[19:30] <prpplague> robclark: so you found the code issue?
[19:30] <robclark> yeah.. basically the wrong framebuffer gets resized
[19:30] <robclark> should be fixable
[19:31] <prpplague> robclark: what does it do, just assume it is the last framebuffer available?
[19:31] <robclark> seems to be
[19:32] <rsalveti> makes sense
[19:33] <robclark> yeah, basically each fb shares same dssdev instance.. so when second fb registers it overwrites the first fb's callback
[19:34] <rsalveti> cool, nice catch
[19:49] <Baybal> hi
[19:49] <Baybal> do you have accelerated X on omap3 already?
[19:50] <rsalveti> Baybal: you have the sgx package, but it's not yet integrated at X11 as we have for n900
[21:21] <prpplague> rsalveti: did you get a chance to test the kernel with 1fb?
[21:22] <prpplague> mopdenacker: greetings
[21:22] <rsalveti> prpplague: not yet, needed to debug another issue
[21:22] <rsalveti> will do in some minutes
[21:23] <prpplague> rsalveti: np, just checking
[21:25] <mopdenacker> prpplague: hi!
[21:55] <GrueMaster> ogra_cmpc: Still up?
[23:05] <ndec> rsalveti: what do you mean by 'we have the sgx package on omap3'? do you mean a ubuntu package or the TI tar ball?
[23:06] <rsalveti> ndec: just tar ball, we're still waiting for the official deb :-)
[23:06] <ndec> rsalveti: too bad ;-) that would have been better for me ;-)
[23:06] <rsalveti> haha :-)
[23:11] <rsalveti> prpplague: robclark: sorry for taking so long, but I can confirm that it works when I compile the kernel with just one framebuffer
[23:11] <rsalveti> with robclark's patches on top of ubuntu kernel
[23:11] <prpplague> rsalveti: dandy
[23:15] <robclark>  oh goody :-)
[23:15]  * robclark is working on better patch to support multi fb


[01:01] <EffectCause> hi there
[01:02] <ianorlin> hi EffectCause any way I can help?
[01:02] <EffectCause> Yeah, I'm trying to get my computer to run faster
[01:02] <EffectCause> I installed lubuntu on this old thinkpad edge
[01:02] <EffectCause> it's running okay, but wanted to know if there's anything i can do to make it faster
[01:02] <ianorlin> what are the specs of it
[01:03] <EffectCause> i have f.lux on. do you think it significantly slows it down?
[01:03] <EffectCause> i have no idea mate, i'm not great with computers xD
[01:03] <EffectCause> sorry
[01:03] <ianorlin> I have not used it that much I don't think flux would slow down that much unless you were doing graphically intensive stuff
[01:04] <EffectCause> i'm redditing and using canva.com
[01:04] <wxl> canva might be hogging up all your resources
[01:04] <wxl> i'd maximize your ram
[01:04] <ianorlin> well web browsers keep using more and more ram
[01:04] <EffectCause> where can i download more ram??
[01:04] <wxl> well, it's really the webapps, ianorlin
[01:04] <wxl> EffectCause: um, from the store. try newegg. XD
[01:05] <EffectCause> i used to install ram via CDs but i prefer the modern digital downloads now
[01:05] <EffectCause> i heard steam is going to start selling ram
[01:05] <EffectCause> i can trade my tf2 keys for some
[01:05] <wxl> i think you're confused about ram
[01:05] <EffectCause> hat prices are going to go waaay up
[01:05] <EffectCause> wxl, i can sell you some if you like
[01:06] <EffectCause> ill email it to you
[01:06] <wxl> EffectCause: nope.
[01:06] <EffectCause> how many rams you want? 1? 2?
[01:06]  * wxl starts walking towards the door
[01:06] <EffectCause> i have a particular woolly one that i can throw in
[01:06] <ianorlin> 193 rams?
[01:06] <EffectCause> his name's stevbert
[01:07] <EffectCause> https://angelsandcelestials.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/dall_sheep_ram_5301220475.jpg
[01:07] <EffectCause> ianorlin, who do you think i am, king of rams?!
[01:07] <EffectCause> jeez, people these days
[01:07] <EffectCause> xD
[01:07] <EffectCause> Anyway, being serious once again
[01:08] <EffectCause> How can I maximize my ram?
[01:08] <EffectCause> Canva is one of the only things I do on the computer so I'd like to continue using it
[01:08] <EffectCause> Currently, it's a little slow, but not unusable.
[01:09] <wxl> EffectCause: you can find out how much memory your computer can handle and then you can purchase the physical RAM and install it into your physical computer
[01:09] <EffectCause> oh, i don't know if it's worth doing that
[01:09] <EffectCause> just an old laptop
[01:09] <EffectCause> i was wondering if there is anything free i could do
[01:09] <EffectCause> software wise
[01:09] <wxl> EffectCause: there's not a lot of services running around in the background that you would want to get rid of, no.
[01:09] <wxl> EffectCause: just don't run anything else but your browser and limit your tabs as much as humanly possible.
[01:09] <EffectCause> well, in that case
[01:10] <ianorlin> how would inkscape run compared to canva in ram useage
[01:10] <EffectCause> hm, not sure
[01:10] <EffectCause> never tried inkscape
[01:10] <wxl> probably a lot better
[01:10] <EffectCause> is it software or browser?
[01:10] <ianorlin> software
[01:10] <wxl> anything web-based is generally hogging up a lot of resources
[01:10] <ianorlin> in the repos
[01:10] <wxl> which is the problem i have with the whole chromebook thing
[01:10] <wxl> !info inkspace
[01:10] <wxl> argh
[01:10] <wxl> !info inkscape
[01:10] <EffectCause> ahh, that would be great
[01:10] <EffectCause> i'm running the newest lts version currently
[01:10] <wxl> in that case
[01:10] <wxl> !info inkscape trusty
[01:10] <EffectCause> i think 14.04, right?
[01:10] <ianorlin> yes
[01:11] <wxl> tl;dr sudo apt -y install inkscape
[01:11] <EffectCause> that's all i have to enter into terminal?
[01:11] <wxl> inkscape does have a bit of a learning curve, though
[01:12] <wxl> EffectCause: yeah or you could install it with synaptic or lubuntu software center or whatever. it's all the same
[01:12] <EffectCause> by the way, what is the latest lts release?
[01:12] <wxl> EffectCause: oh you might also try increasing your swap
[01:12] <wxl> !swap
[01:12] <ianorlin> 14.04
[01:12] <wxl> next lts is xenial xerus 16.04 coming in april
[01:12] <wxl> !xenial
[01:13] <EffectCause> thanks
[01:13] <EffectCause> how will i update it to 16.04?
[01:13] <EffectCause> do i have to do complete reinstall or is there something i can just click to update?
[01:13] <ianorlin> it will update lts to lts I think but backup first
[01:13] <wxl> EffectCause: it should ask you when it's out. alternately you can use the do-release-upgrade command
[01:13] <wxl> EffectCause: re-installs are not necessary
[01:14] <wxl> !upgrade
[01:15] <EffectCause> where will it ask me?
[01:15] <wxl> read links :)
[01:16] <EffectCause> okay, thanks
[01:16] <EffectCause> is there a way i can update all software on computer?
[01:16] <EffectCause> firefox, system apps, inkscape
[01:16] <EffectCause> rather than doing all individually
[01:16] <EffectCause> oh, and theme from ravefinity
[01:16] <wxl> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt -y upgrade
[01:16] <EffectCause> that does everything?
[01:17] <wxl> or if you want to live a little bit on the edge, you can use dist-upgrade but that will also remove packages that have been removed from the repos or dependencies
[01:17] <wxl> which may not be preferable
[01:17] <EffectCause> oh okay
[01:17] <wxl> *I* prefer it, but the choice is yours
[01:17] <EffectCause> i don't want to live on the edge at all
[01:17] <wxl> I should have said "the edge" because there's nothing about LTS that's on the edge XD
[01:17] <EffectCause> what's the benefit of dist-upgrade?
[01:18] <wxl> !dist-upgrade
[01:18] <wxl> https://askubuntu.com/questions/81585/what-is-dist-upgrade-and-why-does-it-upgrade-more-than-upgrade
[01:18] <EffectCause> so a regular upgrade through sudo apt-get update && sudo apt -y upgrade  keeps old packages?
[01:18] <wxl> yep
[01:18] <EffectCause> ah
[01:19] <EffectCause> is there any software like ccleaner that i can use to clear old packages easily?
[01:19] <EffectCause> i can see that that could end up bogging down computer
[01:19] <ianorlin> EffectCause: it doesn't really it just uses disk space
[01:20] <wxl> you can use sudo apt-get autoremove
[01:20] <wxl> which will get rid of unneeded dependencies
[01:20] <wxl> or sudo apt-get autoclean
[01:20] <wxl> which will get rid of downloaded files that aren't necessary
[01:20] <wxl> i usually update/dist-upgrade/autoremove/autoclean regularly. it's a little unnecessary, but it doesn't hurt, either.
[01:21] <EffectCause> oh okay
[01:21] <EffectCause> what's the latest version of firefox available for lubuntu? do you recommend the version it came with (20 something) or the latest?
[01:22] <wxl> in general linux is pretty good about taking care of itself
[01:22] <wxl> you mean the latest for trusty
[01:22] <wxl> !info firefox trusty
[01:22] <ianorlin> dist-upgrade will get you latest stable for trusty
[01:22] <ianorlin> or upgrade
[01:22] <wxl> as you can see it's 43 something
[01:22] <ianorlin> I usally update after installing
[01:22] <wxl> you can see what you have with `apt-cache policy firefox | grep Installed`
[01:22] <wxl> note you don't have to sudo apt-cache functions
[01:23] <wxl> as far as browsers are concerned, i always recommend the absolute latest
[01:23] <wxl> well, not absolute
[01:23] <wxl> unstable is not good for everyone (though i tend to run on it, even at work)
[01:30] <EffectCause> what's the difference between sudo apt-get update && sudo apt -y upgrade  and dist-upgrade?
[01:30] <wxl> !dist-upgrade
[01:31] <EffectCause> so dist-upgrade is better?
[01:31] <wxl> i think so, but some people may be concerned that they might lose something
[01:31] <EffectCause> what could you lose?
[01:31] <wxl> if you do an upgrade and some package has removed a dependency, it will stay around, but dist-upgrade could get rid of it
[01:32] <wxl> i have NEVER seen this to be an issue, but it's a better safe than sorry kind of thing
[01:32] <wxl> read that askubuntu link i gave above for some more insight on the subject
[01:32] <EffectCause> alright, cool
[01:32] <EffectCause> thanks
[01:32] <ianorlin> thing is I run dist-upgrade but don't -y so it asks me and I know enought to see what it is removing
[01:32] <EffectCause> so, with lubuntu, will i ever have to do any ccleaner type thing?
[01:32] <wxl> nope
[01:33] <wxl> there's regular cron jobs that clean out the cruft
[01:33] <EffectCause> it does it automatically?
[01:33] <wxl> yep :)
[01:33] <wxl> linux is a work of art :)
[01:33] <EffectCause> woahh
[01:33] <EffectCause> i'm so lost honestly
[01:33] <EffectCause> i know nothing about computers
[01:36] <EffectCause> hey, does anyone here do graphic design?
[01:39] <EffectCause> ah
[01:39] <EffectCause> anyway
[01:39] <EffectCause> thanks so much everyone
[01:39] <EffectCause> appreciate it
[01:39] <wxl> np EffectCause
[01:39] <wxl> have fun and enjoy the linux :)
[01:39] <wxl> btw
[01:39] <wxl> there's a resource to help train you in linux should you want to take the effort: linuxpadawan.net
[01:39] <ianorlin> and then he left ...
[03:34] <libben> Fresh install of Lubuntu 15.10 x86 version. Installed a couple of packages, set up wifi, not much else. That was this morning, now any option I pick to boot it results in near-immediate shutdown of the machine. What can I do to troubleshoot?
[03:35] <libben> When I say near-immediate, I mean I click the option I want to boot from grub, it starts to load components, then winks out within seconds, not even getting me to the login manager.
[03:57] <ianorlin> libben: this could be a graphics problem
[03:57] <ianorlin> !tty
[04:07] <libben> ianorlin: I am attempting a reinstall. I will note if the problem persists after a fresh installation.l
[05:33] <wfreeman> Hi all. I'm running Lubuntu on a laptop with a touchscreen. When I close the lid, the touchscreen doesn't turn off, so the computer registers all sorts of spurious touch events. Is there any way to trigger a script when the lid is closed/opened so I can disable and reenable the touchscreen? Is there some other way to fix this?
[05:35] <wfreeman> And a second question: is there any command that forces the computer to reevaluate the window positions when the size of the virtual desktop changes (i.e. when an external monitor is disconnected)
[12:11] <NOOB> Unit193: I added the vlc ppa from here https://launchpad.net/~videolan/+archive/ubuntu/master-daily but I think i have a ppa config issue as i cannot see any version beyond 2.1.6
[12:16] <NOOB> how do i see what ppa is controlling?  and override it to get the vlc master to be in control
[12:19] <hateball> NOOB: apt-cache policy <package>
[12:20] <NOOB> hateball: great
[12:21] <NOOB> how i change that to use the one i want?
[12:22] <NOOB> vlc:
[12:22] <NOOB>   Installed: 2.1.6-0ubuntu14.04.1
[12:22] <NOOB>   Candidate: 2.1.6-0ubuntu14.04.1
[12:22] <NOOB>   Version table:
[12:22] <NOOB>  *** 2.1.6-0ubuntu14.04.1 0
[12:22] <NOOB>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/universe amd64 Packages
[12:23] <NOOB> sorry
[12:29] <NOOB> hateball: how do i force apt to use the ppa i want?
[12:32] <PapaPattern> How can I change the keyboard language?
[12:32] <PapaPattern> It's a UK keyboard but currently on American
[12:47] <hateball> NOOB: are those the only ones listed or did you get cut off?
[12:47] <hateball> !paste | NOOB
[12:48] <NOOB> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14671526/  again sorry for the flood.  the fingers were faster than the brain hateball
[12:48] <hateball> NOOB: that lists no PPA
[12:49] <hateball> NOOB: how did you add the PPA? and did you apt-get update afterwards?
[12:49] <NOOB> ya.  it is listed in synaptic
[12:49] <NOOB> i added with the commands listed on https://launchpad.net/~videolan/+archive/ubuntu/master-daily
[12:49] <NOOB> hateball:
[12:52] <hateball> NOOB: how about... "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[12:52] <NOOB> yep yep
[12:52] <NOOB> wait.  doing that now
[12:53] <hateball> NOOB: and where it says "YOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE" you put "trusty", right?
[12:54] <NOOB> yaya.  if you set the drop dwn it changes it
[12:54] <hateball> NOOB: did you use "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:videolan/master-daily" or did you edit sources manually?
[12:55] <hateball> because it looks like it isnt picking it up as it should
[12:55] <NOOB> i used sudo apt-add-repository hate.  and i see it in synaptic
[12:55] <NOOB> doing the upgrade now
[12:56] <NOOB> "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[12:56] <NOOB> hateball:
[12:56] <hateball> :|
[12:58] <tsimonq2> NOOB: Can we have the output of your sources.list and any file in your sources.list.d folder put into a pastebin? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[12:58] <NOOB> how do i get that for you?
[12:58] <tsimonq2> NOOB: oh wait, NVM, use sudo apt install vlc=VERSION
[12:59] <tsimonq2> NOOB: that should install it from that PPA
[13:00] <tsimonq2> NOOB: use the version you got from apt-cache policy
[13:00] <tsimonq2> NOOB: for example, "sudo apt install vlc=2.1.6-0ubuntu14.04.1"
[13:00] <tsimonq2> !info vlc trusty
[13:01] <hateball> Problem is it's not showing anything newer
[13:01] <tsimonq2> NOOB: that's the version in Trusty, and this is the one you are running. What's the PPA you are trying to add?
[13:01] <tsimonq2> oh I see
[13:02] <NOOB> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14671567/
[13:02] <tsimonq2> NOOB: do the following command, "sudo apt -y install pastebinit && ls -R /etc/apt/ | pastebinit"
[13:02] <NOOB> https://launchpad.net/~videolan/+archive/ubuntu/master-daily  is what i added
[13:03] <tsimonq2> NOOB: also, do sudo apt install PACKAGE=VERSION, not just sudo apt install VERSION
[13:03] <tsimonq2> NOOB: and I need the output URL from that command
[13:04] <NOOB> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14671576/
[13:06] <NOOB> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14671589/
[13:06] <NOOB> tsimonq2:
[13:07] <tsimonq2> NOOB: I see, one sec
[13:07] <hateball> heh, both a stable and daily ppa for vlc
[13:08] <tsimonq2> NOOB: now I need, "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/videolan* | pastebinit"
[13:09] <NOOB> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14671593/
[13:10] <NOOB> um http://paste.ubuntu.com/14671576/ shows line 96-99 two different sources
[13:10] <NOOB> shold i remove stable
[13:10] <tsimonq2> NOOB: now please do, "sudo apt update | pastebinit && sudo apt -y dist-upgrade | pastebinit", this should produce 2 URLs, I need them both
[13:11] <NOOB> tsimonq2: WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface yet. Use with caution in scripts.  and its doing a thing.  one sec
[13:12] <tsimonq2> NOOB: that's normal and doesn't affect anything
[13:12] <NOOB> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14671604/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/14671605/
[13:12] <NOOB> tsimonq2:
[13:13] <tsimonq2> ic
[13:13] <teward> FYI that PPA won't work
[13:13] <teward> it has build failures
[13:13] <teward> https://launchpad.net/~videolan/+archive/ubuntu/master-daily/+packages
[13:13] <teward> so you won't be getting that version because there's none published because it failed to build
[13:13] <tsimonq2> teward: I JUST spotted that, thanks for confirming teward :)
[13:14] <NOOB> lol
[13:14] <tsimonq2> NOOB: so you will just have to wait until the builds succeed, I'll look into why it isn't building and report it to someone
[13:14] <NOOB> wahoo
[13:14] <NOOB> um
[13:14] <NOOB> is there a source for 2.1.2
[13:15] <NOOB> um i ment 2.2.1
[13:17] <NOOB> can that ppa give last good build?
[13:18] <teward> NOOB: when a new version is uploaded, as I understand it, it supersedes the old version which gets remove
[13:18] <tsimonq2> N let me look into that quick...
[13:18] <teward> d
[13:18] <teward> so i don't believe so because it'd show up in apt-cache policy
[13:18] <tsimonq2> yeah
[13:19] <NOOB> can i force last good build?
[13:19] <NOOB> cause once i get it then it will auto update at some point
[13:19] <tsimonq2> NOOB: is this essential? if not, it is best to wait
[13:20] <NOOB> its a computer.  nothing is essential
[13:20] <NOOB> I was asking to learn
[13:20] <tsimonq2> okay
[13:20] <NOOB> Also i think you all for your time
[13:20] <NOOB> thank*
[13:20] <tsimonq2> NOOB: stick around and I'll let you know about the build'
[13:20] <NOOB> WAHOO!
[13:21] <tsimonq2> so here is the build log, what I will be looking into: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/220948944/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.vlc_3.0.0~~git20151011+r62044+34+35~ubuntu14.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[13:23] <NOOB> i have a question  what does this mean "W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net trusty InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY<PHONE_NUMBER>1DF724W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net trusty InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY<PHONE_NUMBER>1DF724"
[13:24] <NOOB> do we all get that error
[13:25] <tsimonq2> NOOB: http://askubuntu.com/questions/13065/how-do-i-fix-the-gpg-error-no-pubkey
[13:25] <tsimonq2> NOOB: look at the SECOND answer
[13:26] <oskar> PLEASE HELP
[13:26] <tsimonq2> NOOB: at this point the failure is up to the Videolan team, they need to be the ones to fix it as I don't have access to the PPA
[13:26] <tsimonq2> !help | oskar
[13:26] <tsimonq2> oskar: and please don't shout :)
[13:26] <oskar> All the text on as NM All the text on my entire laptop has gone crazy
[13:26] <oskar> On my entire laptop
[13:27] <tsimonq2> oskar: you try restarting?
[13:27] <oskar> I don't want it too happen again
[13:27] <oskar> I'll restart now
[13:28] <NOOB> it will never happen again if you don't turn it on
[13:28] <tsimonq2> ^ :D
[13:29] <oskar> https://imgur.com/a/KSEyI
[13:29] <oskar> Here's pics
[13:30] <oskar> ??
[13:33] <NOOB> tsimonq2: that fixed that gpg error.  thanks
[13:33] <damascene> tsimonq2, do you know what is the plugin used for your bot to direct question to some user using the pipe?
[13:34] <tsimonq2> damascene: which bot? I have multiple on Github :D
[13:34] <oskar> https://imgur.com/a/KSEyI
[13:35] <tsimonq2> damascene: and a question about my bot can go to ##tsimonq2 :)
[13:36] <tsimonq2> oskar: to be completely honest, I think it's a graphics card issue. I have this same problem and I have never found out how to fix it...really sorry
[13:37] <damascene> !help |damascene
[13:41] <fontman> hey there
[13:41] <fontman> how do i install fonts to lubuntu?
[13:41] <fontman> i have the .ttf files
[13:43] <NOOB> fontman:  will you let me know if this helps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2027331  ?
[13:44] <fontman> alt+f2 doesnt do anything for me
[13:45] <damascene> some people says you just put it in .fonts in you home?
[13:45] <fontman> in home folder?
[13:46] <damascene> yes in .fonts
[13:47] <fontman> where's .fonts?
[13:47] <fontman> do i have to make the folder?
[13:48] <damascene> from GUI right click on an empty space and create new folder. or you you can do this command in terminal: mkdir ~/.fonts
[13:50] <fontman> what next? :)
[13:50] <NOOB> idrop you fonts there?
[13:50] <damascene> try to run any software that shows up the fonts available?
[13:51] <fontman> wait, it worked!
[13:51] <fontman> thank you so much!
[13:51] <damascene> glad to hear that
[13:51] <fontman> Sweeeet
[13:51] <NOOB> yes i am
[14:13] <NOOB> tsimonq2: i have a question about https://launchpad.net/~videolan/+archive/ubuntu/master-daily/+builds?build_state=built
[14:14] <tsimonq2> NOOB: but not trusty :)
[14:14] <NOOB> it seems there are no successful ubuntu 14 builds
[14:14] <NOOB> lol ya
[14:14] <NOOB> so, it waiting useless
[14:14] <NOOB> is*
[14:14] <tsimonq2> NOOB: the version scheme goes, 14.04, 14.10, 15.04, 15.10, 16.04, 16.10, etc.
[14:15] <tsimonq2> well unless you contact the videolan team
[14:15] <NOOB> derp
[15:27] <Amigo> Hey everyone!
[15:27] <Amigo> I'm trying to install flash player
[15:27] <redwolf> hello TuAmigo
[15:28] <UnAmigo> Hello, my friend!
[15:28] <UnAmigo> How can I install flash player?
[15:28] <redwolf> open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree"
[15:28] <teward> redwolf: thought that needed Chrome to work?
[15:29] <redwolf> yes for embedded videos not converted to HTML5 (it may depends on sites)
[15:29] <redwolf> what version do you use?
[15:29] <UnAmigo> Will installing flash player slow down my computer?
[15:29] <UnAmigo> trusty
[15:29] <UnAmigo> lts
[15:29] <redwolf> for older versions you can use "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[15:30] <teward> UnAmigo: installing it won't slow down your system, but running Flash content on webpages, etc. may slow down your system
[15:30] <redwolf> or easier, open the Lubuntu Software Center and look for "flash" :)
[15:36] <UnAmigo> It's right there!
[15:36] <UnAmigo> Sorry, I should have checked before asking you
[15:37] <redwolf> perfect! :D
[15:38] <redwolf> don't worry, and ask whatever you need :)
[15:46] <NOOB> tsimonq2: I ccontacted an admin on the videolan team.  they seem to think its a ubuntu multimedia team issue
[15:46] <NOOB> do you have any thoughts for me
[15:48] <UnAmigo> you're great, dude
[15:48] <NOOB> i know.  but thanks....
[15:49] <UnAmigo> is NOOB a bot?
[15:50] <NOOB> i got the body of a bot.  Hard and steely
[16:11] <MeatHammer> where are xpad's notes kept and can I just file transfer them to a new user / debian?
[16:14] <redwolf> MeatHammer, notes are stored in ~/.config/xpad folder
[16:15] <redwolf> MeatHammer, after restoring your Home folder, open a new Note. Now, right click on the new Note, then click on Notes > Show All. It should retrieve all of your Notes.
[16:23] <MeatHammer> ty redwolf
[16:23] <redwolf> you're welcome :)
[16:24] <MeatHammer> redwolf: can I load differebt sets of notes this way? by moving and replacing these files? I'm basically trying to merge several different xpad notes into one..?
[16:25] <redwolf> actually you can, but you'll have to do it manually
[16:25] <redwolf> as they're not encoded or something, just plain text stored in files
[16:25] <redwolf> not a very complicated app :)
[16:25] <redwolf> nor databases either
[16:26] <MeatHammer> kk so I load these different sets of files and cut and paste them back in using an intermediary like leafpad or something? or just keep them in the copy buffer?
[16:28] <redwolf> theorically... yes. copy and paste should work.
[16:28] <redwolf> but I never tried that :D
[16:30] <LocutusOfBorg> NOOB, let me see your issue
[16:31] <redwolf> sorry, LocutusOfBorg?
[16:31] <LocutusOfBorg> vlc
[16:32] <NOOB> LocutusOfBorg:  https://code.launchpad.net/~videolan/+archive/ubuntu/master-daily/+packages the builds fail.  i added the PPA and get no joy
[16:32] <LocutusOfBorg> I know
[16:32] <LocutusOfBorg> I already know
[16:33] <NOOB> oh, you weere tell me you are looking at it.  i misunderstood, and thought you were asking to see it again.
[16:34] <LocutusOfBorg> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/26/%23lubuntu.html
[16:34] <LocutusOfBorg> I read everything
[16:34] <LocutusOfBorg> $somebody told me there was a vlc issue :)
[16:37] <NOOB> I want to know how to read everything...
[16:38] <LocutusOfBorg> "I just read everything"
[16:38] <LocutusOfBorg> that was the meaning
[16:38] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[16:40] <NOOB> I intended to make humor on the idea of reading everything.  no offence intended
[16:41] <LocutusOfBorg> lol :)
[16:41] <NOOB> please dont borg-i-fy me
[16:43] <NOOB> does this help ?
[16:43] <NOOB><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:47] <NOOB> no it does not i think
[16:57] <NOOB> LocutusOfBorg: any updates?  or hope?  leave me with hope.....
[17:04] <LocutusOfBorg> NOOB, I'm rebuilding ffmpeg with a special backport to trusty
[17:05] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+build/8898717
[17:05] <LocutusOfBorg> if the build goes fine, I'll try to rebuild vlc on top of it
[17:05] <LocutusOfBorg> and then test it
[17:05] <LocutusOfBorg> it will take a while
[17:05] <NOOB> I will wait for you for the rest of my life
[17:05] <LocutusOfBorg> I had to rebuild two dependencies in my ppa, to avoid breaking the official master-daily one
[17:06] <NOOB> but we both agree that getting the officcial ppa working is better right?
[17:06] <LocutusOfBorg> if I can get the private one sure
[17:07] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't like to upload stuff in a commonly used ppa without testing
[18:06] <LocutusOfBorg> hi, seems that you have to upgrade from trusty to vivid or somewhat newer to have vlc
[18:06] <LocutusOfBorg> NOOB, I can't backport new packages because of a libgnutls transition
[18:06] <LocutusOfBorg> sorry
[18:06] <LocutusOfBorg> you migjt want to use vlc 2.2.0 from here https://launchpad.net/~videolan/+archive/ubuntu/stable-daily/+packages
[18:09] <NOOB> i should prolly just run lubuntu 15
[18:10] <NOOB> LocutusOfBorg: are you saying that it can never be backported?  and 3.0 will be impossible too?
[18:10] <LocutusOfBorg> exactly
[18:10] <LocutusOfBorg> I might try to wrkaround the libgnutls28 problem, but it might be painful and not worth the effort
[18:11] <NOOB> i hate reformatting
[18:12] <NOOB> thank you very much LocutusOfBorg .  still the 3.0 ppa is broken.
[18:12] <LocutusOfBorg> I deleted the package from there


[02:50]  * tsimonq2 throws on a $dayjob hat
[02:50] <tsimonq2> So, something regressed in PHP 8.1 in Jammy, as the result of a security update.
[02:50] <tsimonq2> I'll give it a day or so before I go file a regression-update bug.
[02:50] <tsimonq2> That being said, is_file() is completely broken, and I have anecdotal evidence confirming.
[02:50] <tsimonq2> Is *anyone* else experiencing issues with PHP 8.1?
[08:04] <ebarretto> leosilva, fyi ^
[12:28]  * leosilva looks
[12:30] <leosilva> tsimonq2: do you mind point ways to reproduce it, pls?
[16:01] <tsimonq2> leosilva: I will prepare a POC for you by EOD. :)
[16:21] <leosilva> tsimonq2: thanks! =]


[01:09] <Azelphur> Is there anything open source for VNC that doesn't suck speed wise like VNC
[01:10] <Azelphur> don't mean to sound trolly, but stuff like teamviewer is waaaaay faster. Wondering if there's anything like that but more open :)
[01:11] <directhex> nothing fully open afaik
[01:12] <Azelphur> :(
[01:12] <directhex> different VNC apps may be more efficient, but ultimately it's using a protocol called "remote frame buffer" which does exactly what it sounds like
[01:13] <Azelphur> yea
[01:28] <ali1234> X11
[01:28] <ali1234> although only if you use certain applications
[01:29] <ali1234> anything kde or gtk and you might as well use vnc
[06:17] <czajkowski> alolha
[06:21] <harry_> Aloha
[06:23] <JohnRobert> hi
[06:26] <JohnRobert> I'm moving back to the uk next year
[06:26] <JohnRobert> looking forward to proper LUGs again
[07:06] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[07:21] <popey> 23:01:01 < AlanBell> I never managed to get onto ustream irc
[07:21] <popey> I use irssi for that
[07:22] <popey>  /connect c.ustream.tv
[07:22] <popey> then join the channel for their show
[07:22] <popey>  /join #at-home-with-jono8350
[07:23] <daubers> Morning
[07:24] <popey> hello
[07:24] <Myrtti> infinitely amused by BF's possible Scottish ancestry today :-D
[07:24] <Myrtti> goooooood mornin
[07:26] <AlanBell> popey: it just disconnects me
[07:27] <AlanBell> tells me it is a registered nick, doesn't let me pick another, disconnects me
[07:45] <daubers> Bah, on Oneiric, if I'm uploading photos via shotwell, the model dialog stops me getting the unity dock
[07:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> daubers: yay modal dialogs
[08:06] <DJones> Morning all
[08:07] <MooDoo> morning
[08:07] <DJones> Hi MooDoo, Hows your wife and the baby, all settled in?
[08:08] <MooDoo> DJones: we're getting there, baby is still on australia time, but we're getting there, my first day back at work
[08:08] <DJones> Heh, back to work for a rest then
[08:08] <MooDoo> DJones: yeah :)
[08:22] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:37] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, all! :)
[08:51] <popey> AlanBell: you have to /nick user:pass
[08:51] <popey> AlanBell: with a username/password that you have signed up to ustream with
[08:52] <AlanBell> interesting, that is probably the bit I didn't understand
[08:52] <popey> yeah, took me some googling to figure it out
[09:44] <AlanBell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/hwe-cycle/+spec/hwe-p-live-secure-boot secure boot is going to be interesting for CDs
[10:01] <davmor2> morning all
[10:01] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME BACK DUDE!!!!!!!!
[10:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: cheers man :)
[10:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: I've been wanting to say that for days, you know you have a computer at home ;)
[10:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: i do, but i've not used it that much over the last few weeks, and when i have been on you're not here :p
[10:04] <davmor2> man anyone would think you'd just had a baby or something not turning up for weeks on end ;)
[10:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: baby?   who's had a baby not me, i've had a pooping, crying screaming monster ;)
[10:04] <czajkowski> davmor2: poke
[10:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: I just hope she gets her moms looks if she takes after you my god she's in trouble ;)
[10:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: Morning how's life?
[10:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh don't worry, both my kids don't look like me, so they are safe :)
[10:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: nice :)
[10:07] <czajkowski> davmor2: fantastic darling, how's you ?
[10:08] <czajkowski> MooDoo: YOU'RE BACK!!!! *HUGS*
[10:08] <MooDoo> czajkowski: wow thank you, i've missed you too :D xx
[10:09]  * AlanBell wonders if MooDoo will be allowed out on 10th November
[10:10] <MooDoo> AlanBell: /me nods.....
[10:10] <czajkowski> MooDoo: course we need you during the rugby
[10:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'm good thanks start my new role in canonical today which is odd cause we're seeing no change in process currently :D
[10:11] <MooDoo> davmor2: loo cleaner?
[10:11] <MooDoo> been promoted?
[10:11] <MooDoo> czajkowski: :)
[10:12] <davmor2> MooDoo: No our team got split in 2 so I'm sole qa for the one team
[10:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: well have fun :D
[10:13] <czajkowski> davmor2: so thats the area to avoid eh
[10:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: I just get to break stuff like normal :)
[10:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: easy job :)
[10:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: for me yeap
[10:13] <MooDoo> czajkowski: how is your job going?
[10:14] <czajkowski> liking it
[10:14] <czajkowski> getting to do stuff which I've not done before and it's interesting
[10:14] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ace :)
[10:15] <daubers> Urgh, just had the technical lead of another company ask me how to do a port forward :(
[10:15] <czajkowski> yeah tis cool. kinda weird doing stuf but learning new things
[10:16] <MooDoo> czajkowski: did i read somewhere it's a 6 month contract?
[10:20] <smittix> o/
[10:23] <czajkowski> MooDoo: 4
[10:25] <czajkowski> is daper still supported???
[10:26] <popey> czajkowski: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[10:27] <popey> "no"
[10:28] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[10:28] <czajkowski> I was sure of that
[10:28] <czajkowski> but someone is installing it and having issue
[10:28] <czajkowski> *issues
[10:30] <Dave2> Solution: install something that's not 5 years old
[10:31] <czajkowski> indeed
[10:31] <czajkowski> I'm sure there is a valid reason...
[10:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just a quick heads up on a dubious sounding Inkscape project asking for donations... http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28142280
[10:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> $800 to develop a comprehensive PDF exporter with full CYMK separation. Core dev reckoned it would cost $30k
[10:46] <czajkowski> reason for dapper useage: I want to run a piece of software which was compiled back in 2002, it is closed source so I cannot recompile.
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: That should still work. You might have to install some libraries from Dapper, but that's it
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: (libfoo2 instead of the currently-available libfoo3 or libfoo4, for example -- but those don't clash, so it shouldn't break uprades etc.)
[10:57]  * MartijnVdS runs Python 2.5 like that
[11:10] <czajkowski> XUL Runner has stopped working - lovely my last 3 drawings just vanished!!!!
[11:11] <jpds> Paint uses XUL Runner?
[11:16] <czajkowski> Pencil does
[11:17] <directhex> never embed mozilla
[11:17] <directhex> ever
[11:17] <directhex> it always ends in tears
[11:20] <bloodearnest> Monotoko: hey - just signed up to the Leeds Ubuntu party at north bar - is that your gig?
[11:27] <popey> czajkowski: what app?
[11:36] <czajkowski> PEncil
[11:37] <AlanBell> pencil is open source!
[11:43] <popey> http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx that?
[11:44] <AlanBell> I think the app requiring dapper is not pencil and czajkowski is talking about two different things
[11:44] <popey> ah
[11:44] <popey> yes, I was referring to 11:46:38 < czajkowski> reason for dapper useage: I want to run a piece of software which was compiled back in 2002, it is closed source so I cannot recompile.
[11:47] <czajkowski> popey: he didnt say he's on the -ie list
[11:47] <popey> oh, i thought it was you
[11:48] <czajkowski> nope
[11:48] <czajkowski> I know better
[11:48] <czajkowski> stick to current then ask for help
[11:48] <czajkowski> :0
[11:48] <czajkowski> :)
[11:48] <davmor2> czajkowski: Liar :P
[12:22] <chambo> Does anyone have any idea where Empathy puts its logs?
[12:22] <chambo> Tried in .gnome2 and /var/logs but can't find anything
[12:24] <chambo> I'm having trouble with MSN - it doesn't send my messages even though I am connected and people can send me messages
[12:37] <daubers> popey: Sorry about that.... I seem to require more coffee than normal today
[12:37] <jpds> chambo: .telepathy ?
[12:38] <chambo> in ~ ?
[12:39] <chambo> Don't know why everyone can't just put logs in .logs or something like that
[12:39] <chambo> and config in .config
[12:41] <chambo> Oh and make it so that when I upgrade my distribution, my existing dotfiles don't make gnome go completely bonkers
[12:41] <chambo>  /rant
[12:42] <chambo> I can't find .telepathy anywhere... :(
[12:54] <directhex> telepathy is a frontend to empathy
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> backend
[12:54] <directhex> er, other way round
[12:54] <directhex> and i don't know how much logging telepathy has by default
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> it's probably in .config or .cache
[12:54] <directhex> which msn backend are you using? there are three iirc?
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> telepathy-butterfly and the one from Pidgin (libpurple), afaik?
[12:58] <chambo> It'll be whatever is installed by default with ubuntu
[12:59] <davmor2> chambo: there is .cache/empathy  .local/share/telepathy .missioncontrol (or word to that effect) .config/empathy
[13:01] <chambo> Hmm nothing in any of those locations
[13:01] <chambo> I'll try just running from a terminal
[13:02] <davmor2> chambo: there is also a logging terminal in empathy itself under help→debug iirc
[13:03] <chambo> davmor2, Thanks I'll have a look now
[13:04]  * popey tickles TheOpenSourcerer
[13:04] <chambo> By the way does anyone use Synapse? https://launchpad.net/synapse-project
[13:04] <chambo> I'm really impressed with it
[13:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer wishes popey wouldn't. Especially my feet!
[13:06] <chambo> Probably not as complete as Gnome-do but has far less package dependencies
[13:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wazzup popey ?
[13:12] <popey> any news TheOpenSourcerer ?
[13:12] <popey> :D
[13:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> hah. It's not looking promising. Saw him in the pub on Friday eve...
[13:14] <popey> uhoh
[13:14] <popey> he's chucked them on ebay?
[16:15] <JGJones> Would anyone know where the config files for Rapid Photo Downloader would be kept? Want to restore from a backup but haven't a clue where they would be kept?
[16:53] <Adriannom> hi
[16:53] <roro2020> heloo
[16:54] <roro2020> Sorry I need your help to solve gcc problem in ubuntu 11.04
[16:55] <roro2020> I'm using Matlab2011 wihch required gcc4.3.4  while my gcc is 4.5
[16:55] <roro2020> How to solve it?
[16:55] <Adriannom> best (easiest?) way of implementing roaming profiles?  maybe symlink /home to /local/home, sync the two, then mount the home dir on the server over the /home symlink?  will that even work without problem?
[16:57] <roro2020> How to solve it?
[16:57] <Adriannom> no idea i'm afraid :|
[17:09] <Adriannom> does anyone here use them at all?
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> at work we use a shared nfs mount in some places (but not all)
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> NFS Mount + automounting
[17:26] <Adriannom> MartijnVdS, so multiple clients updating the same home dir?
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> yes
[17:27] <Adriannom> ahh, i tried that and had loads of problems.  i was led to believe it was because ubuntu doesn't like two machines working live from the same home dir, something to do with config files...  guess that is wrong?
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> Only if you do it at the same time
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> don't log in twice  (unless in text mode)
[17:28] <Adriannom> multiple machines will be logged in as the same user
[17:30] <Adriannom> right...  that'd probably be a problem.  i am usually literally roaming around the house using the same stuff on different machines while i'm doing other things
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> I'd jsut put the stuff that needs to be shared on a nas somewhere
[17:34] <Adriannom> all my data is on a nas already, but i want the settings to be synced between all machines (and a change on one propagate to all), including other users (who are not tech savvy)
[17:35] <Adriannom> reckon there is a solution?
[17:37] <Adriannom> or do you reckon the idea with the symlink would work?
[17:37] <Adriannom> i would tias, but it was damn hard to tell that anything was up at all until i lost data.
[17:37] <Adriannom> (last time i tried this, that is)
[17:42] <daubers> lo
[17:44] <sammm1> HazRPG: I had such a sore arse last night. :(
[17:44] <daubers> ....
[17:45] <daubers> talk about walking into the wrong conversation
[17:50] <sammm1> daubers: It's not what it sounds like.
[17:50] <sammm1> daubers: Just a medical condition HazRPG and I have.
[17:53] <AlanBell> sammm1: you might want to discuss it somewhere without googleable log files
[17:53] <Adriannom> can you get multiple rdp sessions viewing the same desktop?  or alternatively can you get a wyse linux thin client to use vnc?
[17:56] <shauno> hm.  blender just ate 52GB of swap before my machine ground to a halt.  I think I need a plan B.
[17:57] <mgdm> heh
[17:57] <mgdm> You have 52GB of swap? Wow :D
[17:57] <Azelphur> Clearly you need more swap
[17:58] <shauno> osx, so it just keeps creating swap files until it runs out of /
[17:58] <shauno> (bit like swapd on linux, rather than using partitions)
[17:58] <mgdm> Ah
[18:01] <sammm1> AlanBell: That's why I added him on Facebook. :)
[18:03] <ali1234> why did my irony meter just explode?
[18:06] <Adriannom> why did my rhetorical meter just explode?
[18:25] <sammm1> HazRPG: The Doctor has had over 1,000 years to perfect his interpersonal skills. xxxxxxx
[18:26] <sammm1> ali1234, Adriannom: WTF are you two talkin' 'bout?
[18:28] <sammm1> HazRPG: Amelia Pond is so fit for a ginger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[18:32] <AlanBell> sammm1: that is offtopic and not really appropriate
[18:33] <AlanBell> sammm1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw
[18:34] <sammm1> AlanBell: What's offtopic? Why did you send me that link?
[18:35] <sammm1> AlanBell: Instead of directing my messages at specific people, should I be PMing them? Sorry, I'm new to IRC and haven't fully learnt the etiquette yet.
[18:35] <AlanBell> because it is a nice way of telling you about one of the ways you went astray :)
[18:36] <AlanBell> you can PM people (if they are cool with that), or use an appropriate channel, such as #ubuntu-offtopic or #defocus
[18:38] <sammm1> AlanBell: This channel isn't particularly active ATM, so I don't see how my deviation from the Ubuntu topic will harm the flow of public chat 'n' dat.
[18:41] <AlanBell> it isn't the level of activity that is relevant, we try and keep it family friendly and respectful at all times, and you were getting a bit close to the edge
[18:41] <AlanBell> !coc
[18:43] <daubers> AlanBell: Good to see the "Happy hours" are taking off
[18:43] <AlanBell> yeah, really pleased at the enthusiasm for other locations and a regular meet in London
[18:43] <AlanBell> think another name is required for that though
[18:44] <daubers> \o/ I'm quite looking forward to the farnborough one, as that'll be the first I can make
[18:45] <sammm1> Are there any meets in Wales/ the west midlands? I might come and see you guys :D
[18:45] <daubers> Might try and goto the one at the turf
[18:45] <sammm1> Because I am in Swansea ATM
[18:46] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/
[18:46] <sammm1> AlanBell: I'm sorry, I will make a concious effort to keep my non-family-friendly chat to private-converations from now on.
[18:46] <AlanBell> one over in Bristol on the list
[18:46] <sammm1> Bristol is near me :D
[18:46] <AlanBell> thanks sammm1 :)
[18:46] <sammm1> What will we do there?
[18:46] <AlanBell> drink tasty beer mostly
[18:46] <sammm1> Hahaahahahhahaha
[18:46] <sammm1> Sounds fun
[18:47] <sammm1> But not many people like me :(
[18:47] <jacobw> how is that?
[18:47] <sammm1> I'm socially awkand and shy and stuff :(
[18:47] <sammm1> What  date is the Bristol meet?
[18:47] <sammm1> I do like beer :)
[18:47] <sammm1> And I like contests of strength, gaming and workin' out :D
[18:48] <AlanBell> Bristol doesn't have a date yet
[18:48] <jacobw> most linux users are sammm1 ;)
[18:48] <sammm1> AlanBell: What website page will have the information of the date?
[18:49] <AlanBell> that one http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/
[18:49] <sammm1> I use Windows mostly ATM.  She manages to PM people or quit me depending on her mood
[18:57] <sammm1> Pendulum: Penny Arcade is for casual noobs
[18:58] <sammm1> HazRPG: What a rubbish episode of Doctor Who......
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> sammm1: you're a bit of a complainer, aren't you? :)
[18:59] <shauno> you'd be too, if you were in swansea :p
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> sammm1: j.p.c
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> shauno:
[19:02] <sammm1> HazRPG: Maybe I've been too drunk to be interested in the latest episode, but maybe it's just rubbish?
[19:03] <sammm1> MartijnVdS: Sorry, the internet is a conveniant place to ventilate my frustrations.
[19:03] <sammm1> MartijnVdS: I've asked my friend if he would be interested in a physical confrontation later, but he probably won't be interested. :
[19:03] <sammm1> :(
[19:14]  * TheOpenSourcerer heads off to watch some TV. Catch you all tomorrow. :-)
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:17] <sammm1> Martinp23: Do you enjoy a good hand-2-hand physical confrontation 'n' dat? xx
[19:26] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15060310
[19:26] <jacobw> i think the LHC is destroying probable universes
[19:48] <daubers> Whats a good UI design tool?
[19:48] <AlanBell> pencil, ask czajkowski for help with it :)
[19:49] <brobostigon> a pencil and paper.
[19:49] <daubers> AlanBell: It doesn't work in oneiric :)
[19:49] <AlanBell> oooh, why not?
[19:49] <daubers> Not compatible with FF7
[19:49] <czajkowski> aye
[19:49] <czajkowski> daubers: download and install from desktop
[19:49] <czajkowski> it crashes on windows though
[19:49] <czajkowski> the plugin doesn't work on anything after FF3
[19:50] <daubers> czajkowski: I did.....
[19:50] <czajkowski> hmm
[19:50] <czajkowski> odd
[19:50] <daubers> Ah, you mean the standalone thing not the extension
[19:50] <daubers> (didn't see that the first time)
[19:52] <daubers> Still no work... "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1 and 1.9.2.*."
[19:54] <czajkowski> daubers: there is also a thingy call balisque or soemthing
[19:54] <czajkowski> hmm
[19:54] <czajkowski> free 7 day trial
[19:55] <daubers> Might just install glade and jsut throw a few experiments together
[19:55] <AlanBell> balsamiq
[19:55] <czajkowski> yup that
[19:55] <AlanBell> posh vinegar
[19:56] <daubers> Quite nice on salad
[20:00]  * daubers installs glade
[20:06] <SuprEngr> has anyone else using Evolution for mail noticed: since G= went 'live'... the gmail accounrt attached can only be used  via gmail web & evoloution = password fail?
[20:07] <SuprEngr> *g+
[20:07] <KrimZon> I use my Gmail via IMAP with Thunderbird
[20:08] <SuprEngr> yeh - that still works fine... web only not evoloution access.
[20:08] <popey> Evening all!
[20:09] <SuprEngr> eveninks popey
[20:10]  * SuprEngr wonders how many of suggestions from popey
[20:10] <daubers> o/ popey
[20:10] <SuprEngr> popey's mail get taken up in 12.04
[20:11] <SuprEngr> daubers, stop inturrupting my broken sentence ;D
[20:11] <daubers> SuprEngr: Stop talking
[20:11] <daubers> SuprEngr: Like
[20:11] <daubers> SuprEngr: Bill Shatner
[20:11]  * SuprEngr sulks
[20:11] <SuprEngr> [beam me up]
[20:12] <daubers> Hmmm.... glade has some different controls since I last used it
[20:13] <daubers> also, now I broked it
[20:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Bacon And Coffee Powered World Record - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/26/bacon-and-coffee-powered-world-record/
[20:15] <daubers> isn't zentyal what ebox was?
[20:16] <shauno> pretty much
[20:17] <popey> ooo Bill shatner you say?
[20:18] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2ftCitvyQ
[20:20] <popey> that shut everyone up ☺
[20:21] <SuprEngr> ... 'cept me! why the rubber duck *is* he climbing that mounting? jump -shatner -jump!
[20:23] <SuprEngr> (mounting was his pronunciation -not mine. I assume he's climbing a mountain -jump , bill, jump
[20:25] <daubers> Why? Why do people build things like ebox in perl?
[20:27] <dwatkins> Just to make you ask, daubers.
[20:29] <SuprEngr> back to my earlier comment re Evolution & Gmail - bug report time me wonders? or just leave it now Thunderbird is default.
[20:30] <daubers> SuprEngr: I'd bug report it, if it's not already. Evolution will still be available, just not default
[20:30] <SuprEngr> bug report it is
[20:31] <shauno> you haven't turned 2fa on for your google account, have you ?
[20:37]  * daubers goes on a rant
[20:40] <SuprEngr> shauno - no change mage to google a/c
[20:40] <SuprEngr> *made
[21:10] <ikonia> early to bed for #ubuntu-uk tonight it seems
[21:12] <SuprEngr> "Time for bed", said Zebbedee
[21:13] <ikonia> it would appear that way
[21:13]  * SuprEngr goes to zzzz land & dreams of podcasts yet to be heard ;)
[22:36] <sammm1> ikonia: Haha you're funny. Are you going to Bristol? xxx
[22:38] <directhex> i'm too awake to sleep. far too early for me
[22:46] <ikonia> directhex: me too
[22:47] <directhex> i am also in the middle of nowhere
[22:47] <directhex> which is unhelpful
[22:47] <ikonia> directhex: accommadation close to office ?
[22:48] <directhex> ikonia, that was the theory. but they already sold my reservation, so shipped me to a golf course on the A14
[22:50] <ikonia> I trust standard rage procedure was deployed at said hotel vendor
[23:04]  * AlanBell recalls directhex's standard hotel rage procedure
[23:09] <The_Fred> Im curiours, whats is directhex's s.h.r.p ?
[23:09]  * The_Fred cant spell today


[10:06] <blackflow> ansible is **EXCRUCIATINGLY** slow. I should really expedite migration to Salt.
[14:07] <Mead> so I think my hanging issue with networking had something to do with the cloud-init that comes installed with the "live" install.   I just installed with the alternative ubuntu server installer and I don't get the same hanging as I did with ubuntu installed (and re-installed) from the "live" image.
[14:56] <BrianBlaze> Mead hanging where?
[15:00] <Mead> ugh, not sure the pastebin didn't time out yet... let me look
[15:01] <Mead> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VgGFZHsq2r/  there you go, it won't last long I only set it to last 1 day.
[15:04] <Mead> where it failed it would take 2 to 3 minutes do do something.  iF you have the logs I had some other pastebins with relveant data.  I've re-installed from the althernative installer, and it no longer has this problem.  I think it was related to the cloud-init that the "live" installer installs, but the altnerative installer doesn't
[15:06] <Mead> honestly I'm not sure what the cloud-init package does with the networkd/netplan service. But it did something
[15:47] <BrianBlaze> I had the same issue Mead and what fixed it was putting static ip's in /etc/netplan
[15:47] <BrianBlaze> for my network interfaces
[15:48] <BrianBlaze> It's kind of silly but it was literally the only way to stop the 2 minute to 3 minute wait on boot
[15:48] <BrianBlaze> for me
[15:49] <Mead> I fixed it buy re-installing via the alternative installer
[15:50] <BrianBlaze> yeah I can't tell you why I only had this problem on one of my ubuntu boxes
[15:50] <BrianBlaze> but normally I never have that issue
[15:51] <Mead> was the network interface(s) using older chipsets?
[15:52] <BrianBlaze> I think they are all vm's so I really can't say, I am in sunday mode tho and am just waking up from a nap with my son so my memory sucks right now lol
[15:54] <Mead> tis ok, go watchin some cartoons/baseball/starwars or play video games with your son
[15:54] <BrianBlaze> lol yeah we will go to the park soon. thanks. glad you got it to stop hanging
[15:54] <BrianBlaze> I know it bugged me when I had that issue
[19:47] <xedniv> hi, im having issues with my network configuration. i have one bond interface and two NICs, all of them have tagged vlans. the problem is that the bond vlan interface cant seem to route *external* traffic at all, it can communicate just fine with its subnet
[19:47] <xedniv> im not using netplan, switched to ifenslave