[04:14] <ragsagar> no one here?
[04:14] <nixternal> I am :p
[04:15] <RoAkSoAx> nixternal, do you have any new about the Membership Board?
[04:15] <nixternal> just know that I am a "supposed" member of it...nothing more than that yet
[04:17] <RoAkSoAx> i see :(
[04:17] <nixternal> I am hearing after release
[07:29] <WaVeR> Morning
[10:29] <Sid1> Hey, why isn't Ubuntu out yet?
[10:29] <Sid1> 8.04**
[10:30] <gnomefreak> Sid1: because there is alot of ISO's that are being made and uploaded
[10:31] <Sid1> IMO, only 10 or so have to be made right?
[10:34] <stgraber>  count
[10:34] <stgraber> -------
[10:34] <stgraber>     68
[10:34] <stgraber> Sid1: ^
[10:34] <gnomefreak> Sid1: its more than just making them and uploadning them they have to pass by the head release person (release manager) i belive is his title
[10:34] <stgraber> and that's only for the one we are testing on iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[10:35] <highvoltage> stgraber ftw
[10:36] <Sid1> Stgraber = ?
[10:36] <Sid1> Yeah
[10:37] <Sid1> I'd lol if Ubuntu doesn't come out for another 3 days
[10:40] <gnomefreak> Sid1: latest ive seen it in the last few years its been up to like 2 days late without advanced notice but most of time its right on the money
[10:45] <highvoltage> Sid1: if there was a reason for delay, it would'vebeen announced yesterday already
[10:46] <stgraber> Sid1: it'll be out today
[10:46] <Sid1> It's nearly 6 PM, I have a speech to do, but damn, I want to get ubuntu over vista for now
[10:47] <jsgotangco> its not easy pushing build servers ;-)
[10:47] <stgraber> jsgotangco: well, images are ready so not build servers' fault :)
[10:48] <Sid1> :p
[10:48] <jsgotangco> get back to work! *whips*
[10:48] <Sid1> Haha
[10:48] <Sid1> You know how GPL says software should be free, and everyone goes on about how OSS is better for everyone?
[10:48] <stgraber> jsgotangco: my work is done, everything has been tested
[10:48] <jsgotangco> :D
[10:49] <Sid1> How do the people making OSS have any monetary incentive to support themselves/their family if they do not sell the software?
[10:49] <stgraber> Sid1: they seel the support
[10:50] <stgraber> sell even
[10:51] <Sid1> Ah
[10:51] <Sid1> stgraber: Are you part of the ubuntu team or something?
[10:52] <stgraber> Sid1: indeed
[10:53] <Sid1> Oh, nice
[10:54] <Sid1> I wonder if this new one will let me hibernate my laptop
[20:53] <Rubin> were back
[21:07] <kees> hola, a little late... besides myself and jdstrand anyone else here for the security team meeting?
[21:07] <kees> I kind of goofed and didn't realize two weeks ago that today would be release day.  ;)
[21:08] <mra> I'm here for it, sorry I've missed a few in between
[21:09] <kees> mra: we might be out of luck -- I don't see many other people.  perhaps we should reschedule for in another 2 weeks?
[21:09] <kees> jdstrand: what do you think?
[21:10] <jdstrand> kees: considering its release, I'd say wait
[21:10] <jdstrand> (not much to talk about)
[21:10] <mra> I'd be available the 8th
[21:10] <kees> jdstrand: wait == reschedule?
[21:10] <jdstrand> kees: yes
[21:10] <jdstrand> wait 2 weeks
[21:10] <kees> mra: okay, sounds good.  let's bump it.  :)  I'll send out more notice then too.  :)
[21:11] <mra> sounds good
[21:11] <kees> *shortest meeting ever*
[21:11] <jdstrand> \o/
[21:11] <mra> those are the best kind
[21:11] <kees> hehe
[21:11] <kees> thanks
[21:11] <jdstrand> thanks kees!


[16:49] <troy_s> Wow.
[16:49] <troy_s> The Ubuntu Art mailing list is a train wreck I cannot turn away from.
[16:50] <troy_s> It is perhaps the most dark, macabre, and fascinating display of group dynamics and culture I have ever had the pleasure of seeing.
[16:50] <troy_s> Really fantastic stuff. Perhaps not in the manner desired, but absolutely fascinating nonetheless.
[16:51] <troy_s> vish: I found your commentary regarding the icon set very on point. Hobgoblin's consistency.
[16:52] <etneg> antone awake
[17:03] <troy_s> etneg: Antone perhaps not, but anyone yes.
[17:06] <etneg> i wsa hoping someone could digitally color a few logos for me
[17:06] <etneg> its for ubuntu ensemble
[17:10] <etneg> some guy offered to help me here before i f it had to do with ubuntu stuff
[17:10] <etneg> but he's gone missing:/
[17:20] <troy_s> etneg: "Some guy" is your first mistake. Figure out whom.
[17:20] <troy_s> etneg: That's where I'd start.
[17:20] <etneg> he was around but was unresponsive then
[17:20] <etneg> oh well
[17:20] <troy_s> etneg: If it is a project that requires art and design elements
[17:20] <troy_s> etneg: The best thing you can do is to not treat it as an after-the-fact component of the project.
[17:21] <troy_s> etneg: And try to get someone to become a participant. A sort of sabdfl of the art and design elements.
[17:21] <troy_s> etneg: That minor step can have a tremendous impact on a project.
[17:22] <etneg> man i have it on the bugs report list
[17:22] <etneg> and so on
[17:22] <etneg> nobody to color it yet
[17:22] <troy_s> etneg: It isn't about color.
[17:22] <troy_s> etneg: Trust me on this.
[17:23] <etneg> what are you talking about then
[17:23] <troy_s> etneg: Chances are if your project doesn't have an abddfl (appointed benign design dictator for life) you are already soaking in a mess.
[17:23] <troy_s> etneg: If you have _anything_ that faces outward and toward an audience and you _do not_ have someone that cares about art and design around, you are already sunk.
[17:24] <etneg> wtf
[17:24] <etneg> are you trolling me?
[17:24] <troy_s> etneg: Yes I'm trolling you. Ciao. *sigh*
[17:25] <etneg> sigh
[17:25] <troy_s> etneg: May I ask what the project is and see where you require something to be colored?
[17:25] <etneg> ensemble
[17:25] <etneg> i did a few logos for them but havent received anyone to color it
[17:25] <troy_s> etneg: Sorry don't speak the code.
[17:26] <troy_s> etneg: No clue what ensemble is.
[17:26] <etneg>  https://launchpad.net/bugs/807100
[17:26] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 807100 in ubuntu-branding "Develop Ensemble logo (ensemble.ubuntu.com)" [Undecided,In progress]
[17:26] <etneg> oops
[17:26] <etneg> well yeah
[17:26] <etneg> that should do it
[17:26] <etneg> it'll give you an idea
[17:27] <troy_s> etneg: Does ensemble have an art / design lead?
[17:28] <etneg> wait are you trying to help me
[17:28] <etneg> with coloring it
[17:28] <troy_s> etneg: Wait yes.
[17:28] <etneg> oh ok
[17:28] <etneg> they dont have a design team lead for ensemble
[17:28] <etneg> they just wanted a logo and i offered my services
[17:29] <troy_s> etneg: And where are the links to your work?
[17:29] <etneg> i just posted the link to you
[17:29] <etneg> in te bugs list
[17:29] <troy_s> etneg: So those are _your_ sketches?
[17:29] <etneg> the first post you can see  afew i did
[17:29] <etneg> yes
[17:29] <etneg> except   http://ubuntuone.com/p/13yI/ i didnt do that
[17:30] <etneg> and in the bottom i posted another
[17:30] <etneg> Abi R is me
[17:30] <etneg> sladen posted some of my sketches there
[17:31] <troy_s> etneg: So you are capable with the pastel, but you are having issues with getting an SVG or something colored?
[17:31] <troy_s> etneg: Because if it is your work, I'd encourage you to perhaps color it yourself. You are likely the only one that will give it the attention you desire.
[17:31] <etneg> digital painting is what i have issues with
[17:32] <etneg> i dont hve a  tablet or anything
[17:32] <etneg> so out of luck
[17:32] <etneg> the coloring i did for those are just samples
[17:32] <etneg> its not suposed to colored like that
[17:32] <troy_s> etneg: Hmm. Have you tried leveraging tracing until you get a tablet?
[17:32] <etneg> but if someone takes up the coloring initiative i can guide them about the palette
[17:32] <troy_s> etneg: Solid line work, scanned, and traced, can often get you to where you need.
[17:33] <etneg> there's ways to learn it but i dont think i ever will
[17:33] <etneg> no intention of doing digital painting
[17:33] <troy_s> etneg: Then I fear you are probably going to be met with similar success.
[17:34] <etneg> i thought you offered to color it?
[17:34] <coz_> etneg,  i agree,, you need to put your mind to at least inkscape for vector graphics
[17:34] <troy_s> etneg: No. I offered to try and see if there was a means to resolve the issue.
[17:34] <coz_> troy_s,  hey guy
[17:34] <troy_s> coz_: Greets cozziemoto
[17:34] <troy_s> ERKG
[17:34] <troy_s> Is cozziemoto you too coz_?
[17:34] <etneg> but you havent really tried to resolve it
[17:34] <coz_> troy_s,  yeah that's my other machine for scrollback :)
[17:34] <etneg> nothing is resolved in art by talking
[17:35] <etneg> that works best in mphilosophy
[17:35] <etneg> :D
[17:35] <etneg> hey coz_
[17:35] <troy_s> etneg: Thanks for your illumination.
[17:35] <troy_s> etneg: But in plain terms
[17:35] <etneg> coz_: the guy who did tohse skethces?
[17:35] <troy_s> etneg: You are unlikely to find someone that is capable _and_ willing to color in someone else's work.
[17:35] <etneg> troy_s: you're generalizing way too much here
[17:35] <troy_s> etneg: Sure I am.
[17:35] <etneg> open source is community driven
[17:35] <coz_> etneg,  tohse sketches?   not sure  , several people are using my work for different things,, do you have a link?
[17:36] <etneg> and thre are people who do color MY work
[17:36] <troy_s> etneg: Example?
[17:36] <etneg> just not on tihs occasion because they dont work for ubuntu and work for other distributions
[17:36] <troy_s> etneg: Right. Sample?
[17:36] <coz_> etneg, oh the figure sketches ,, yes
[17:36] <etneg> no sample now
[17:36] <etneg> sorry
[17:36] <etneg> coz_: ye
[17:36] <troy_s> etneg: Indeed.
[17:36] <etneg> coz_: you any good with coloring?
[17:36] <troy_s> LOL
[17:36] <etneg> coz_: i did some rough concepts for ensemble
[17:36] <etneg> troy_s: indeed what?
[17:37] <troy_s> etneg: It was a case in point that eluded you.
[17:37] <coz_> etneg,  well  I can be,, however  may I ask why you dont want to look into inkscape?
[17:37] <etneg> you hyavent made any case at all
[17:37] <etneg> coz_: lack of time and fear of moving away from pencil to digital painting
[17:37] <etneg> coz_: i need to get those colored asap, they have just one design thats digitized by one of the server lead members there
[17:37] <coz_> etneg,  let go of the fear,,, inkscape can be quite remarkable once you get used to the "vocaulary"  of the tools
[17:38] <etneg> and have no more options, mine re still in pencil
[17:38] <etneg> so
[17:38] <coz_> etneg,  let me see the link again
[17:38] <etneg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+bug/807100
[17:38] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 807100 in ubuntu-branding "Develop Ensemble logo (ensemble.ubuntu.com)" [Undecided,In progress]
[17:38] <etneg> sladen posted some of my links on the first post
[17:38] <coz_> etneg,  5 images?
[17:38] <etneg> and at the bottom i 3 new ones
[17:38] <etneg> na na
[17:38] <etneg> you dont have to do all 5
[17:38] <etneg> we just need to do atlast 2 images
[17:39] <etneg> so they have more options on the table
[17:39] <etneg> right now their only option is to go with http://ubuntuone.com/p/148u/
[17:39] <thorwil> those sketches need more than just coloring
[17:39] <etneg> but since mine arent  colored, i tihnk they'd just go with the oxygen atom idea
[17:40] <etneg> thorwil: what more?
[17:40] <etneg> well it needs to be digitally painted of course
[17:40] <thorwil> no point in doing it, before you have precise and clean lines
[17:40] <etneg> and why cant that be achieved on inkscape
[17:40] <etneg> you can get all the cleanlines right there using the sketch as a reference
[17:40] <thorwil> it's easier to do on paper
[17:40] <etneg> run over it!
[17:41] <etneg> what precise clean line are you referring to though
[17:41] <etneg> if you're interested in coloring one of them, tell me and i can redraw it
[17:42] <thorwil> tracing is not enough. those are fine sketches, but rough.
[17:42] <etneg> yes it was just for a concept
[17:42] <etneg> but if you're interested in coloring one of them, tell me
[17:42] <etneg> so i can draw it out more clearly
[17:42] <thorwil> etneg: i have no time to do work on other people's art. but in any case, the linework is not in the shape it should be in
[17:42] <etneg> heh
[17:42] <etneg> it is a concept
[17:43] <etneg> if somoene picks up the concept and wishes to color it, i redraw most of it so they get a better idea
[17:43] <etneg> as far as precision goes, i dont think i cared about it for a concept sketch
[17:44] <etneg> thorwil: http://i52.tinypic.com/t62vzl.jpg
[17:44] <etneg> what about that?
[17:44] <thorwil> i think you can drop the E boxes, as i'm pretty sure something very much like that has been done already
[17:44] <etneg> is that decent linework to color?
[17:45] <etneg> i did more than E boxes
[17:45] <etneg> and the E boxes are better seen if colored
[17:45] <etneg> from a pencil point of view, you cant tell what it is going to be but ok
[17:46] <etneg> so the E boxes are done a lot vs http://ubuntuone.com/p/148u/
[17:46] <etneg> that?
[17:46] <etneg> the oxygen atom idea hasnt been done but thats ok by you?
[17:47] <etneg> leave all that
[17:47] <etneg> just to get an idea about the precision you're talking about in linework
[17:47] <etneg> http://i52.tinypic.com/t62vzl.jpg would you color that?
[17:47] <thorwil> the atom idea is less likely to end up being a trademark infringement
[17:47] <etneg> lol
[17:47] <etneg> trademark infringement is not a concern. i think anyone can evade that
[17:48] <etneg> the point you were making was to have a d esign that was not done a lot
[17:48] <etneg> and the oxygen atom idea is no different to a bunch of E boxes
[17:48] <thorwil> the last time i colored someone else's lines was in secondary school.
[17:48] <etneg> thats nice
[17:48] <etneg> but is the linework good enough there do digitallly paint it?
[17:48] <etneg> s/do/to/
[17:49] <thorwil> that depends on the feel you want to end up with
[17:49] <etneg> well is the linework good enough?
[17:50] <etneg> thats all i'd ;like to know
[17:50] <etneg> i mean that sketch goes straight for digital coloring, nothing more is done on it, is it clear enough or not clear enough for one to digitally paint it?
[17:51] <coz_> etneg, looking at the one image with the rounded lower case "e"  and people on it with clouds around,, the elements are there,,, they would have to be redone in inkscape,,, a tracing of that image wouldnt do it justice, however,, it is going to take on the feel of the person recreatin git
[17:51] <coz_> recreating it
[17:51] <etneg> coz_: i liked that one too but i dunno
[17:51] <etneg> simple and to the point is what i thought
[17:51] <etneg> not too many elements either
[17:52] <etneg> the E i wanted it like cable wire, that sort of a texture
[17:52] <etneg> but are you interested in coloring that?
[17:53] <coz_> etneg,  it would take more than colouring it,, it has to be essentially recreated in one of the applications
[17:53] <troy_s> David Airey it is not.
[17:54] <etneg> yes it has to be imported
[17:54] <coz_> etneg,  more than imported ,, well. at least on inkscape it would have to be re created in vector
[17:54] <etneg> but if you need more clarity or something in the drawing i could redraw it
[17:54] <coz_> etneg,  i suppost it could be brought into gimp and carefully coloured ,,
[17:54] <coz_> I havent used gimp in months
[17:55] <etneg> ah ok
[17:55] <coz_> etneg,  you mentioned you have had people colour your work before,,, have you asked them again ...yes?
[17:56] <etneg> well they wont do it for ubuntu
[17:56] <etneg> heh
[17:56] <etneg> same way ubuntu folks wont do it for them
[17:56] <etneg> time factor
[17:56] <etneg> soo
[17:57] <etneg> either way  i think im done
[17:57] <etneg> they're gonna go with the oxygen atom idea
[17:57] <etneg> nobody to color mine so
[17:57]  * etneg moves on
[17:57] <etneg> thanks anyhow coz_
[17:57] <coz_> etneg,  oh i see
[17:58] <coz_> etneg,  I am not particular keen on that oxygen atom concept
[17:58] <etneg> it's kinda sad though they have no options
[17:58] <etneg> the oxygen atom idea is sooooooooooo cliche
[17:58] <etneg> ye
[17:58] <etneg> i theink they just want a quick logo and dont wish to drag it anymore
[17:59] <coz_> etneg,  that's just lazy then
[17:59] <etneg> so i told them quits and left it at that, and the lead guy for ensemble kim0 is ok with the oxygen idea
[17:59] <etneg> so i guess whatever works for them
[18:00] <coz_> etneg,  I downloaded those images,, I may play with them,, if it works out I will let you know if you are in t his channel
[18:00] <etneg> sure i'm idling here these days
[18:02] <etneg> if you can do it today , would help or latest by tommorrow
[18:02] <etneg> i think any later and it would be pointless
[18:02] <etneg> just told kim0 you might take a look into it
[18:02] <etneg> and if i dont update by tommorrow to go ahead with the oxygen idea
[18:13] <coz_> etneg,  well .. it would take longer than that ... I would have to work through a few ideas,,, test them ,, render them,, etc
[18:18] <coz_> etneg,  its likely I cant do this in time,, I am in the middle of creating 3d animated models for compiz right now
[18:48] <thorwil> doctormo: regarding http://doctormo.org/2011/07/13/i-had-the-idea-of-using-javascript-instead/ , shouldn't the first question be if either js or python is better suited for this particular job?
[18:49] <thorwil> while a lot of people might *know* some js for web stuff, in many cases the knowledge will be limited to some simple jquery stuff, i guess
[18:50] <thorwil> in general, it seems whyt js has to offer over python is noisy syntax :)
[18:51] <Ronnie1> i agree with thorwil that writing good javascript may be more difficult than good pyton. But the project can catch more interest is programmers can start in js
[19:36] <etneg> cozziemoto:
[19:36] <etneg> ok
[19:36] <etneg> np


[19:31] <itnet7> Hey there bluebomber
[19:31] <bluebomber> Hi, itnet7
[19:31] <bluebomber> How are you?
[19:32] <itnet7> I'm dong good , and you?
[19:32] <itnet7> doing * lol
[19:33] <Iconic> .
[19:39] <itnet7> govatent: How's it going?
[19:40] <govatent> hey itnet7
[19:40] <govatent> sorry i was looking away from irc
[19:40] <govatent> whats up itnet7 bluebomber
[19:40] <itnet7> No problem, I only just dm'd you ;-)
[19:40] <govatent> ah cool
[19:40] <govatent> how's the meetup?
[19:41] <itnet7> Not too many have showed up, but Nicholas / Iconic has given me a pretty good idea for Ubuntu Hours
[19:41] <govatent> cool
[19:42] <govatent> Daniel is hoping to get application devs for ubuntu's new goals for applications
[19:44] <itnet7> I'm not sure about what you mean
[19:48] <govatent> From what I understand, i guess there is a focus on getting quality apps into ubuntu
[19:50] <bluebomber> Hey, itnet7, good to hear. Hi, govatent! What's new?
[19:52] <govatent> nothing much. Just chilling
[19:52] <itnet7> Not much bluebomber
[19:53] <govatent> I might be in tampa next month at some point
[19:53] <itnet7> at Barnes and Noble at the Ubuntu Hour with Ic
[19:53] <itnet7> Iconiic
[19:54] <iconic> .


[02:57] <mercurysquad> hey everyone, has launchpad stopped accepting new spec registrations for ubuntu gutsy ??
[02:57] <mercurysquad> i've been trying to register a small spec but keep getting an oops
[02:57] <mercurysquad> I thought maybe it's because specs have been frozen or something
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #127489 in launchpad "Answers column is in the wrong order in person's "Most active in" table" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127489
[08:18] <gavinbaker> sorry for the n00b question, but i can't find the answer...
[08:18] <gavinbaker> how do i tell launchpad to stop sending me email from my projects?
[08:19] <gavinbaker> and/or is there a way for the launchpad emails to include which project generated the email in the header? so at least i can sort them?
[08:19] <gavinbaker> thx guys!
[09:57] <zzorn> Hi, how do I create a Team in Launchpad?
[10:44] <mpt> zzorn, at <https://launchpad.net/people> choose "Register a team"
[11:06] <zzorn> thanks
[11:06] <zzorn> I did manage to create one through assign a maintainer function for a project
[02:30] <AlinuxOS> hello, I would like to delete my dublicate user account... is it possible ?
[02:31] <spiv> AlinuxOS: you can merge them.
[02:31] <LarstiQ> AlinuxOS: you should be able to merge them?
[02:31] <spiv> AlinuxOS: https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge
[02:32] <AlinuxOS> That's me: https://launchpad.net/~alinux and this is my duplicate: https://launchpad.net/~vlsichinava
[02:40] <AlinuxOS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-firefox-locale-all/+bug/88677 <-- I would like to change milestone for that bug: It should be  ubuntu-7.10-beta, is it possible ?
[02:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88677 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all "Georgian Language support." [Undecided,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Alexander Sack (asac)
[02:43] <ScottK> AlinuxOS: Since asac is working on the bug, I wouldn't randomly change his bug milestones.  Talk to him about it.
[02:44] <AlinuxOS> ScottK, thank you ;)
[02:45] <AlinuxOS> OOPS-568C3164
[02:45] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/568C3164
[02:53] <spiv> AlinuxOS: that's a timeout from the database.  It's possible that you were just unlucky; if you try again it might work.
[02:53] <spiv> D'oh.
[02:54] <AlexC_> Hey there guys,
[02:55] <AlexC_> I have a project in Launchpad that I'd like to use Translations - however, it appears that if I upload multiple .pot files it just merges them into one
[02:55] <AlexC_> is it possible to ... categorise them? The project I am doing has different Modules which I'd like to have a seperate part in the Translations section of Launchpad
[02:56] <AlexC_> so I can see and keep track of each modules translation status
[02:57] <LarstiQ> AlinuxOS: 14:53:41 < spiv> AlinuxOS: that's a timeout from the database.  It's possible that you were just unlucky; if you try again it might work.
[02:57] <LarstiQ> 14:53:44 < spiv> D'oh.
[02:57] <AlinuxOS> ok
[02:57] <AlinuxOS> LarstiQ, very gentle.
[02:58] <LarstiQ> AlexC_: I'm not familiar with the translations part. But more in general, are those different modules usable on their own?
[02:59] <AlexC_> LarstiQ: no, they need the framework and other parts of my project to work
[03:00] <LarstiQ> AlexC_: ok, so my suggestion will probably not help then :)
[03:02] <AlexC_> ok, I'll try contacting them
[03:39] <mhb> hello launchpad masters, I'd like to set up a page about some projects that are translatable in LP and I'd like to dynamically gather info about how much translation is complete. Is that possible?
[03:41] <mhb> Launchpad displays such info in its web interface, in the /+translate pages. This way, I can set up a page where the translators can see the status of only the translations relevant to them, without the need to search through Launchpad for that information.
[03:42] <mhb> because a page like https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/ktorrent/+pots/ktorrent/cs/+translate is quite hard to find.
[04:47] <Kmos> LarstiQ: rosetta-users doesn't exist anymore
[04:48] <LarstiQ> Kmos: will keep it in mind, thanks
[04:50] <Kmos> :)
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #127585 in launchpad ""add affected project" should show more about the other projects" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127585
[09:07] <Amaranth> bug 127366 has the wrong bugtracker for compiz upstream, is there a way to change it?
[09:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127366 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in read()" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127366
[09:07] <Amaranth> and/or remove the upstream link
[10:03] <beuno> Amaranth: just click on the arrow, and change/remove the upstream watch
[10:16] <dsas> is there a bug search I can do on my profile page that only displays the ubuntu part of the bug, (i.e. don't show any upstream bugs)
[10:35] <Kmos> Amaranth: why it has the wrong bug tracker on compiz
[10:35] <Kmos> i've submited the bug on upstream and linked to launchpad
[10:42] <salty-horse> how do I revert a bug from being reported as a duplicate?
[10:48] <Kmos> which bug ?
[10:50] <salty-horse> https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/113683
[10:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113683 in firefox "hovering over splitter widget sets incorrect cursor (dup-of: 82168)" [Undecided,Incomplete]   - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[10:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 82168 in firefox "autoscroll shows the "resize up" cursor" [Medium,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[10:51] <salty-horse> it's a seperate bug than previously thought
[10:51] <salty-horse> i added a link upstream to bugzilla
[10:51] <salty-horse> will be fixed soon
[10:58] <Kmos> salty-horse: isn't the same bug ?
[10:58] <salty-horse> nope. i'm fixing both of them now in mozilla
[10:59] <salty-horse> at first i thought they're the same, since both had the same symptoms
[10:59] <Kmos> ah ok
[11:00] <salty-horse> thanks
[11:00] <Kmos> salty-horse: just go to "mark as duplicate"
[11:00] <Kmos> remove the number
[11:00] <Kmos> and click on "Change"
[11:02] <salty-horse> did you change it already?
[11:02] <Kmos> yep
[11:04] <salty-horse> thanks
[11:05] <Kmos> add some comment to it
[11:09] <salty-horse> i'm hoping to fix it within the hour. i'm waiting a bit :)
[11:20] <dsas> actually what I would like is in my search results to be able to only display each bug once. e.g. bug 46760 shouldn't be listed twice
[11:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46760 in thunderbird "no icon for mozilla-thunderbird in KDE Panel" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46760
[11:20] <dsas> I don't think that is possible...
[11:21] <Amaranth> Kmos: that was you?
[11:21] <Amaranth> Kmos: Compiz bugtracker is on freedesktop
[11:22] <Amaranth> Well, actually compiz bugtracker is a mailing list
[11:23] <Amaranth> We don't upstream compiz bugs like that anyway, I just bring them up with the devs
[11:23] <Amaranth> Or mvo does
[11:25] <Kmos> Amaranth: hi! yes, it's me
[11:25] <Kmos> so http://bugs.opencompositing.org is for what ?
[11:30] <Amaranth> Kmos: compiz-fusion stuff
[11:30] <Amaranth> but we still don't usually upstream bugs
[11:31] <Amaranth> either I fix them or I tell them on IRC
[11:31] <Kmos> :)
[11:31] <Kmos> how to delete the compiz-bugs i've created
[11:31] <Amaranth> i cleared it
[11:31] <Kmos> the bug watched
[11:31] <Kmos> the bug watcher
[11:31] <Kmos> you clear it from the bug
[11:32] <Kmos> not from LP
[11:32] <Amaranth> it's as clear from LP as you can get
[11:32] <Amaranth> look at bug 1 :P
[11:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)
[11:32] <Amaranth> can't clear all the junk out of there either
[11:32] <Kmos> lol
[11:32] <Kmos> :)
[11:32] <Kmos> ok
[12:15] <salty-horse> if a bug is fixed upstream, but not yet in ubuntu, should I mark it as "fix committed"?


[00:01] <WaV> I think smart phones auto detect phone numbers and allow you to click the number prompting you to either "dial" or "cancel"
[00:01] <bprompt> dennington:   dunno a pdf editor for *nix myself, I do have FoxPDF editor for windows though, works well in windows10
[00:02] <dennington> bprompt: thank you excellent alernative to installing adobe  )
[00:02] <dennington> *acrobat
[00:02] <bprompt> WaV:   right, just read,  you can make a simple link in a PDF editor and format it tel:64646767 to be dialable
[00:02] <WaV> ahhh
[00:03] <bprompt> dennington:  Foxit pdf editor that is, is up to version 3 I think
[00:04] <bprompt> and is just around 140mbs of installation
[00:15] <tomreyn> libreoffice draw can also edit pdfs
[00:41] <DarkTrick> Regarding 100%CPU@Xorg after mic plugged in: After a cold start the CPU stays max only for 10 seconds (also weird, though). 2 pulseaudio processes with 10% CPU are not in sight. The behaviour I described before seems to be related to hibernation wake up. Are hibernation problems
[00:41] <DarkTrick> Are hibernation problems tracked and debugged?
[00:48] <arooni_team_b> anyway to switch output port between speakers & headphones via command line (ubuntu 18.04) ?
[00:56] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: sure, you can report bugs on it. most of the time those are bios / ACPI table bugs, though. do a bios upgrade, see f it helps. if you multi-boot with other OSes make sure you have those shut down properly and release all resources (can be important with some windows drivers). as a last resort you can make linux pretend it was windows (or whatever your bios was made for / tested against) using http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Window
[00:56] <tomreyn> s-acpi_osi.html
[00:57] <tomreyn> non-broken link: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[00:59] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, I indeed remember a message at every hibernation wakeup that said something like "ERROR: blabla ACPI, please report this to [some website]"
[01:00] <DarkTrick> tomreyn: I indeed have a hibernating windows in parallel
[01:00] <DarkTrick> tomreyn: what you write sounds like "could be a config problem"
[01:01] <DarkTrick> tomreyn: how come windows does not have problems with hibernation?
[01:08] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: the bios / uefi / mainboard firmware of computers which are sold with windows pre-installed (but are not declared to support linux) are usually not developed to work with linux. in fact, most computers (even many of those stating to work with Linux) ignore it when Linux reports that it is being used for ACPI table access.
[01:10] <tomreyn> Linux does still work on many of these systems (if not always as well as it could if the mainboard firmware would not restrict itself to a single OS), and there are workarounds to gain access to the 'optimized ACPI' which a systems' firmware usually 'reserves' for the OS it was tested with (usually Windows), as discussed on the link above.
[01:12] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: it's usually a good idea to look at 8or share, if you can't interpret it yourself) your logs when trying to get a better idea of what is going wrong.
[01:13] <DarkTrick> tomreyn: (without reading your link, yet) I guess the only solution for linux users/developer is to build a specific solution to the specific problem accured, because the manufactures don't bother too much?
[01:14] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, "8or share"?
[01:15] <tomreyn> "(or share", sorry
[01:15] <DarkTrick> ok
[01:16] <DarkTrick> tomreyn: summarizing what I understand:
[01:16] <DarkTrick> - I can report it
[01:16] <tomreyn> Hardware (or even firmware) specific workarounds for specific systems (or groups of systems) in Linux can help, and Linux does this (has to do this) a lot more than it'd need to if firmware developers would develop systems to work not just with the primary target OS. what you can do is to buy hardware which is sold with Linux support.
[01:16] <DarkTrick> - however, it's probably a machine specific problem
[01:17] <DarkTrick> - Even if I report, noone *might* be able to reproduce it
[01:17] <DarkTrick> - It's probably best to dig a little deeper myself
[01:17] <DarkTrick> - @digging: If I then have things I don't understand I should rather ask about them
[01:17] <DarkTrick> ... is this correct?
[01:19] <tomreyn> i don't know which hardware you have there (you did not tell), so i'm just guessing here. the common bottom line is: you acquired hardware which was not sold as being Linux compatible, so no man power went into supporting anything but the actually targetted OS, and so you will need to see for yourself how you can make it work well with Linux (see above4 for suggestions).
[01:25] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: roughly spoken, ACPI is used to have the system firmware (BIOS / UEFI) and the OS come to terms and announce power saving mode switches / events (including shutting down / powering up) and "plug and play" (for some devices only). if the firmware does not tell Linux how it is to initiate those events properly, then Linux has no means to properly announce such events it initiates or properly learn about how to handle those intiated by
[01:25] <tomreyn> the firmware.
[01:26] <tomreyn> so, yes, what you're seeing is probably a hardware model (maybe firmware version) specific issue, and logs may help you (and us) come up with solutions.
[01:29] <DarkTrick> tomreyn: Thank you very much, so far!
[01:30] <DarkTrick> atm, there are quite a few terms, that I'm not familiar with. I will try to use your information to get closer to a solution or a more detailed bug description.
[01:31] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: you cannot predict other users dont suffer the same bug as you, so please follow the advice of the volunteers, sharing info and/or file a !bug
[01:31] <tomreyn> journalctl -b 0   and a   journalctl -b 0 -p3    to review your system logs. decrease 0 for earlier boots.
[01:31] <DarkTrick> btw: My model is a Japan-only laptop. I bet 99% no official linux support :)
[01:32] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:'     to get your hardware model / system firmware version
[01:33] <DarkTrick> DMI: FUJITSU FMVWB3U27/FJNB2BB, BIOS Version 1.07 01/23/2018
[01:34] <kk4ewt> DarkTrick; so have you checked for an updated bios
[01:35] <DarkTrick> kk4ewt: no, not yet (will take me about 30 - 50 minutes).
[01:36] <DarkTrick> as I g2g to work now, I want to thank everyone who helped! I will look closer to this stuff after work and understanding more of the matter
[01:40] <tomreyn> good luck!
[01:52] <DarkTrick> thank you :)
[05:00] <pagnol> somehow dns resolution isn't working on my box running Ubuntu 18.04... I can do `dig @<IP_ADDRESS> example.com` but `dig example.com` fails
[05:00] <pagnol> I have no clue how dns resolution works and how network manager, systemd-resolve, netplan... work together
[05:09] <pagnol> `systemd-resolve example.com` works, though
[05:09] <pagnol> I can't make any sense of this at all
[06:08] <cocomo> hello can i use snap to install a .deb file?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> !snap | cocomo
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> cocomo: snaps & debs are 2 different things
[06:10] <cocomo> i am on arch linux i thought i might to able to install ubuntu packages with snap.
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> cocomo: we only support ubuntu here, not arch
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> cocomo: i see you already found #archlinux ...so you know this already
[06:13] <cocomo> well i thought u lot would know lots more abt snap
[06:13] <cocomo> thank you anyways
[06:14] <doug16k> cocomo, don't use snap to install a deb, use dpkg -i
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> doug16k: please dont support users with another Os here
[06:15] <doug16k> trivially answerable. nobody else talking
[07:42] <zamba> just by using .format() alone, is it possible to set the size of a string field?
[07:42] <zamba> it's like string[:15], for instance
[09:02] <ramsub07> Hi, I have previously connected to the network from my ubuntu 18.04 using a static IP address. It was approx a week ago. Is it possible to retrieve that static IP now?
[09:10] <ramsub07> Hello, is there a way to find the list of IP address my system was assigned to?
[09:17] <sixwheeledbeast^> I have no idea where that would be logged. I imagine it's all in journald now.
[09:17] <sixwheeledbeast^> journalctl | grep "string"
[09:17] <sixwheeledbeast^> maybe date or partial ip address.
[09:21] <sixwheeledbeast^> Yes i have no idea how to use journalctl "properly" so maybe read the man pages for better search queries.
[10:04] <ws2k3> is it possible to have kde and gnome installed? so they both are useable as desktop?
[10:05] <OerHeks> ws2k3, sure, adding a desktop is no problem, choose desktop at login. removing one, can be interesting...
[10:06] <ws2k3> OerHeks: what about profiles. will it be the same firefox and thunderbird and stuff? or is that all different
[10:06] <OerHeks> those will be shared, it is still the same user(id)
[10:07] <ws2k3> OerHeks: thats pretty interesting
[10:08] <ws2k3> OerHeks: for many years i run production servers on debian/ubuntu. but i never used it as a desktop. so i have no idea about this kinda stuff :D
[10:09] <OerHeks> personally i would install side-by-side, no cross use of programms
[10:09] <ws2k3> OerHeks:  hmmm what do you mean exacly with that
[10:10] <OerHeks> 2 pdf readers, 2 calculators, and so on
[10:13] <ws2k3> aah i see but also 2 firefox or?
[10:15] <OerHeks> no, i think not
[10:15] <OerHeks> unless one is installed via snap, and other one via apt
[10:16] <ws2k3> i see okay
[10:17] <ws2k3> another question you might know this. im used to working on a mac. how can i use cmd + c cmd + v etc in ubuntu? i cant just map ctrl to cmd cause then ctrl + c(to cancel) wont work anymore in the cli
[10:18] <OerHeks> does "cmd + c cmd + v"  copy and paste?
[10:18] <OerHeks> ctrl + c = copy in linux
[10:19] <ws2k3> yes on a mac cmd + c and cmd + v are copy and paste
[10:19] <boktan> hi all please help me to fix this problem : https://imgur.com/a/ysVGyqs
[10:19] <EriC^^> ws2k3: ctrl+c in a terminal doesn't copy, ctrl+shift+c copies, so you can map ctrl+cmd
[10:19] <ws2k3> yes so on my linux machine i would like to move that function from ctrl + c to cmd + v
[10:19] <EriC^^> ctrl=cmd
[10:19] <ws2k3> EriC^^:  ctlr+c in terminal does cancel of a running task
[10:19] <OerHeks> oke,. so ctrl + c - copy / ctrl + v - paste / ctrl + x - delete
[10:20] <OerHeks> boktan, describe our problem please?
[10:20] <boktan> yeah as i post the image the bluetooth service have this problem :/  https://imgur.com/a/ysVGyqs
[10:20] <EriC^^> ws2k3: right, you can map ctrl to cmd, then cmd+shift+c copies cmd+c cancels
[10:20] <ws2k3> OerHeks: yes. but i would like to move All functions so only copy paste
[10:21] <ws2k3> EriC^^: i wanne use cmd+c for copy and ctrl+ c for cansel
[10:21] <EriC^^> ws2k3: unless you map cmd to ctrl+shift i guess, then cmd+c copies
[10:21] <boktan> i tryed everything mentioned in google did not help
[10:21] <EriC^^> ws2k3: then you have to see how to map cmd to ctrl+shift, i think xbindkeys can do that or maybe xkb can too
[10:33] <OerHeks> i think we need more information, boktan , what ubuntu version, what bt adapter? lspci or lsusb should tell
[10:34] <boktan> is it okay if i upload to pastebin? OerHeks
[10:35] <ws2k3> i see. so its hard :p
[10:36] <boktan> here is the output from lspci: https://pastebin.com/kR1GqMy1 and this is from lsusb: https://pastebin.com/MM9mkmpW OerHeks
[10:38] <OerHeks> so it is the Intel Corporation Wireless-AC 9560, wifi + bt
[10:39] <boktan> on gnome desktop i was not having this problem but started with xfce+lightdm
[10:40] <boktan> disconnected :/
[10:40] <boktan> anyways on gnome desktop i was not having this problem but started with xfce+lightdm
[10:45] <OerHeks> no idea there, is there something hardblocked? rfkill list all
[10:46] <boktan> no hard block i already checked it
[10:46] <OerHeks> and ubuntu version might help too...
[11:05] <ufk> ubuntu 19.10 doesn't have a package for android sdkmanager and avdmanager ?
[11:09] <OerHeks> ufk, no, tons of guides show you haow to install the 3rd party binairy blob
[11:10] <ufk> yeah i just wanted to confirm there isn't a premade package. thanks
[11:10] <OerHeks> i find no snap/flatpak too
[11:16] <crs> Hi there, I have run passwd -dl <user> and now can't use sudo. Is there a way to recover that system?
[11:17] <Timmy> Use single mode, enter sh and reset the passwd
[11:20] <sonOfRa> Alternatively, boot into a live system, chroot into your system, run passwd for that user
[11:20] <sonOfRa> Both should work just fine
[11:21] <Hounddog> Hey maybee someone can help me with some understanding problem of nfs. We  have a hard mount but the clients are mounting via a dns address. When the server however fails and a new Server comes back online with the same data is the handle resolved again?
[12:46] <florinski> hello. how do I install my printer in cups? it's connected to my dsl modem via usb, I want to print wireless.
[13:01] <bittin_> Listening too the last of the year Ubuntu Security podcast
[13:15] <OerHeks> florinski, maybe this page is any help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu#Printing_from_Ubuntu
[13:44] <JonelethIrenicus> It would be very cool if the software center told us when the package was updated last and the version of the software that is currently available
[13:44] <JonelethIrenicus> even cooler if it did it when in the list view
[13:44] <JonelethIrenicus> i always have to click on the flatpak and then the deb version to see if a difference exists
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> JonelethIrenicus: you can influence the community as user, by filing a !bug wishlist
[13:46] <JonelethIrenicus> lotuspsychje, thanks, I think if I did anything I would just hack on software center myself
[13:46] <JonelethIrenicus> it is such an obvious feature
[13:46] <JonelethIrenicus> and so simple to add maybe take an hour
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> JonelethIrenicus: if nobody ever wishes it, the developers wont change things
[13:47] <JonelethIrenicus> they dont think for themselves?
[13:47] <JonelethIrenicus> who decides what is allowed?
[13:47] <JonelethIrenicus> if I change it will they even accept it?
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> JonelethIrenicus: the developers & the ubuntu community go hand by hand
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> when users file bugs, it reaches the devs
[13:48] <JonelethIrenicus> yeah but i am talking as a dev
[13:49] <JonelethIrenicus> not user
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> JonelethIrenicus: there's currently also a 20.04 opinion vote going on
[13:49] <JonelethIrenicus> the survey?
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> yep
[13:50] <JonelethIrenicus> yeah i did that
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> JonelethIrenicus: and did you mention it?
[13:50] <JonelethIrenicus> no i mentioned other bigger items
[13:57] <rbasak> JonelethIrenicus: most projects are very happy when wishlist requests come with patches that implement them
[13:58] <rbasak> Though there is always a design complexity/UX complexity/maintenance burden question
[13:58] <rbasak> So "will they even accept it?" is a very good question
[13:59] <rbasak> Unfortunately it's not at all clear for a project to be able to answer such a question without seeing a patch, and so that can result in wasted effort
[14:00] <rbasak> I suggest the best thing to do is to start with a small change and an unpolished patch, file a pull request, and ask if it's acceptable that way with an offer to polish if they are positive about the change.
[14:00] <rbasak> In the case of the software center, I think that would have to be against upstream (GNOME?)
[14:10] <rana_ans> Im getting an error after sudo apt-get upgrade, error: E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[14:10] <rana_ans> help :))
[14:11] <rana_ans> I get that error after a long list of not found errors
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> rana_ans: can you pastebin the whole output please?
[14:11] <rana_ans> sure
[14:12] <JonelethIrenicus> the text editor's scrollbars make it so you cannot click on the last line of a file
[14:12] <JonelethIrenicus> so many small issues
[14:12] <rana_ans> lotuspsychje: could you send me ink for pastebin, the one on google isnt opening
[14:12] <rana_ans> link*
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> !paste | rana_ans
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> JonelethIrenicus: help the community and file bugs
[14:14] <rana_ans> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y7cyGVGpnB/
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> rana_ans: seems like that ROS repo giving alot of 404's
[14:17] <rana_ans> yea Im trying to install a package
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> rana_ans: we can only support the official ubuntu repos, for external ppa issues contact their maintainer
[14:17] <rana_ans> no one replies in #ros :/
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> rana_ans: we reccomend to fallback on the official ubuntu repos to get it straight again
[14:18] <rana_ans> ok
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> !sources | rana_ans
[14:40] <CoolerX> how do I get this? https://old.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/a900p7/awesome_mechanical_love/
[14:40] <CoolerX> I am on ubuntu 18.04
[14:41] <lastebill1> does ubuntu support miracast?
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> !info awesome | CoolerX
[14:43] <leftyfb> lastebill1: not officially. There's at least 1 github project and a ppa.
[14:43] <lastebill1> leftyfb: ok, ty.
[14:47] <CoolerX> lotuspsychje, thanks
[15:10] <CoolerX> lotuspsychje, uh can you give more detailed instructions?
[15:11] <CoolerX> how do I get this exact look? https://i.redd.it/glzrkk83f4621.png
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> CoolerX: im not the awesome expert myself, but i think after installing awesome you will need a theme
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> CoolerX: you could contact the user posting that reddit pic, and ask him/her where they got the theme
[15:13] <CoolerX> they made it
[15:16] <CoolerX> oh I see https://github.com/elenapan/dotfiles
[15:17] <CoolerX> I am confused https://old.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/a900p7/awesome_mechanical_love/ecfdc1a/
[15:17] <CoolerX> so there is no theme?
[15:18] <CoolerX> seems you have to manually configure a bunch of stuff
[15:18] <CoolerX> seems complicated
[15:19] <rapidwave> How come there are no screen recorders available in repositories?
[15:19] <rapidwave> I can only find "peek" and there are non-resolvable dependencies.
[15:21] <MWM> a while ago I had a problem with opening a tilix and other GUI based apps.  /var/log/syslog shows --> "tilix [23521]: cannot open display: :1001"
[15:22] <MWM> I solved it somehow but when I rebooted I lot the fix and now I cant figure it out again
[15:22] <MWM> :1001 is GUID/UID right? But I cant find any user or process using that Uid/guid on my system
[15:30] <MWM> connectng with nomachine if that makes a difference
[15:32] <CoolerX> rapidwave, use OBS https://obsproject.com/
[15:32] <aberrant> morning all
[15:32] <aberrant> apparmor is really verbose. Is there a way to quiet it down a bit?
[15:33] <aberrant> [141330.126057] audit: type=1400 audit(1576746178.060:102): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_replace" info="same as current profile, skip│
[15:33] <aberrant> ping" profile="unconfined" name="libvirt-56eaafde-ee1a-4024-ad7c-d3816a6739a6" pid=22389 comm="apparmor_parser"
[15:33] <aberrant> etc.
[16:03] <sixwheeledbeast^> It should only be verbose when it has to be.  From what I understand "profile_replace" means it is asking apparmor to change to "unconfined" profile so disabling apparmor for that task. Probably something you want to know about I suppose
[16:04] <aberrant> sixwheeledbeast^: I don't think it's a security issue. This is a brand-new install that wasn't attached to any network.
[16:05] <aberrant> I did a complain on it; let's see if that suppresses those messages.
[16:06] <sixwheeledbeast^> I am not saying it's a security issue, just that something is asking to use a lower security profile it may not have a good profile for it.
[16:06] <aberrant> ah, I see. What do you suggest?
[16:07] <sixwheeledbeast^> You could make a profile I suppose.
[16:48] <belcher> im trying to run `sudo apt update` but it results in a key expired error, i cant find any keyserver which has the updated keys, the keys themselves are `B98321F9 2010-08-07 [expired: 2017-08-05] Squeeze Stable Release Key` and `65FFB764 2012-05-08 [expired: 2019-05-07] Wheezy Stable Release Key`
[16:51] <leftyfb> belcher: cat /etc/issue
[16:51] <leftyfb> belcher: what version of ubuntu does it say you are running?
[16:51] <belcher> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS \n \l
[16:51] <leftyfb> belcher: why do you have debian repo's added to it?
[16:52] <belcher> i dont know, perhaps i added them by running command lines i found on the internet with no understanding
[16:52] <leftyfb> belcher: remove them and you won't have the issue
[16:53] <belcher> how do i remove them?
[16:57] <leftyfb> belcher: look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[16:57] <belcher> that directory is empty
[16:57] <leftyfb> ugh, did you add them to the bottom of /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[16:59] <belcher> ah yes looks like it
[16:59] <belcher> and theres a comment #for tor, so looks like past me added them to install tor?
[17:00] <belcher> ill remove them i guess, and see if i can update tor
[17:08] <belcher> thanks for the help leftyfb
[18:25] <arooni> question; every 3-4 times i resume my lenovo t420 from suspend (ubuntu 18.04) it seems like gnome-shell gets jammed up; so i try killall gnome-shell -9 which works every once in awhile but in general doesnt seem to work that well; any other ideas for things i could try?
[18:25] <arooni> many thanks in advance
[18:25] <njd001> whats the default desktop for 19.10 gnome?
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: Recommend not using standby (suspend-to-ram) repeatedly. Reboot regularly.
[18:27] <arooni> whats wrong with using suspend to ram?
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> njd001: Since Ubuntu 17.10, the default desktop has been Gnome-Shell
[18:27] <arooni> its a pain to have to reboot each time i move my laptop
[18:27] <njd001> where do you want me to begin whats wrong with suspending to RAM
[18:28] <njd001> thanks pragmaticenigma :) xrdp is being crappy
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: From a technical aspect, support in Linux for Standby modes is low priority. So much focus has been placed on improving boot times, and session saving that it's often better to just power down
[18:29] <njd001> as for RAM Suspension from a security stand point theres a few problems with that... but setting that aside for a moment primarily apps can be 'leaky' and have run away processes on resume that consume large quantities of memory block
[18:31] <rbasak> I have a Dell XPS 13 (9360). Suspend works perfectly. I use it all the time. It's really convenient to be able to just shut the lid and carry on later.
[18:31] <arooni> pragmaticenigma: thats sad news;  i wonder if hibernate would work any better
[18:31] <arooni> any thing to do when gnome-shell seems to hang other than try to kill it?
[18:31] <njd001> arooni it also consumes your batteries life. if its a modern laptop it puts undue wear on the lifespan of lithum. I used to suspend mine but now i just hibernate everytime because the disk is encrypted to the TPM
[18:31] <arooni> that sounds so aggressive lol
[18:32] <arooni> hibernate writes to the hard drive?  i'm using a 500gb ssd and have 12gb of ram
[18:32] <ioria> arooni, you restart it  :  ' Alt+F2 +r '
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: It's better to reboot regularly (full power down) Things get caught up in memory and it's the best way to make sure left over processes get fully cleared out.
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: With an SSD, there is no need for hibernate or standby
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: Also, hibernate isn't recommended with Solid State drives
[18:32] <arooni> well booting isn't instanteous
[18:33] <njd001> hibernate is always a better option. heres a good reason not to... assume you are on a train and you suspend all apps are running in ram i put a tiny button usb device into a port hanging out of your laptop it wakes and my program is now cruising your laptop when you get home and connect it dumps 1 file zipped of critical date
[18:33] <njd001> data
[18:33] <arooni> woah;
[18:33] <arooni> never thought of that security concern
[18:33] <njd001> pragmaticenigma really? i have solid state and i hibernate it all the time
[18:33] <arooni> but yes its obvious
[18:33] <arooni> it racks up extra writes
[18:34] <rbasak> Really, suspend to RAM is absolutely fine for most users.
[18:34] <njd001> nah modern m.2 an NVMe have auto trim
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> hibernate builds a large file on the disk, some controllers don't wear level with large files and instead continue to use the same memory cells repeatedly, shortening the life of the drive
[18:37] <MikeWorth> Bit of a strange one - I recently stuck an M2 SSD in my machine, and it seems to have caused major problems with then accessing any USB mass storage devices. Everything plugged in reports in syslog that it wasn't unmounted properly, I get all sorts of IO errors, things disappear and reappear as different devices (i.e. /dev/sdX). I've pulled the SSD out and I'm all working fine. Anyone got any suggestions?
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> MikeWorth: Possible it's a bad controller on the M2 module. Do you have another unit to test with?
[18:38] <arooni> so any suggestions on what to do if i can't seem to get gnome-shell  respond?  reboot?  or does killing/restarting processes ever work
[18:38] <MikeWorth> another M2 SSD? Unfortunately not
[18:39] <MikeWorth> The SSD was previously verified working in the machine it was pulled from
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: Reboot... non-responsive can be indicative of out-of-memory issues, best to reboot... killing gnome-shell kills all the applications that were running within gnome-shell. removing the memory requirements. but other applications and services running in the background can continue to cause issues.
[18:39] <OerHeks> more an issue for ##hardware
[18:40] <njd001> MikeWorth thats because the bandwidth required for m.2 however the OS should be in control of the device via driver
[18:40] <njd001> the driver in the OS should gate what its trying to do.
[18:40] <OerHeks> that m2 is EOL
[18:40] <njd001> true.
[18:41] <njd001> the current architecture rate you can flash FPGA with ubuntu baseline and just use Octane to run everything. Ubuntu is a bad ascii little OS
[18:41] <njd001> <3
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> MikeWorth: If adding a device causes problems, and then removing the device resolves issues, then the issue is with the device. It sounds like the M2 drive is dead.
[18:41] <MikeWorth> njd001 So the M2 drive is taking all the bus bandwidth and pushing the usb access out of the way leading to errors?
[18:42] <OerHeks> njd001, 'Ubuntu is a bad ascii little OS'?
[18:42] <njd001> yep
[18:42] <njd001> well i didnt wanna say bad ass <<
[18:42] <adamsmith34> I'm so close: 18.04 minimal install joined to Windows Server 2012 R2 domain but domain users are not found so I'm unable to authenticate using them. What piece of the puzzle should I look at?
[18:42] <njd001> wasnt sure that word was allowed.
[18:42] <MikeWorth> Any pointers on how to get the appropriate drivers to stop this happening? It's an Intel 660p
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> adamsmith34: Start by using #ubuntu-server for server related issues
[18:42] <adamsmith34> Thanks!
[18:43] <njd001> i would imagine keeping your OS up to date and the hardware bios up to date
[18:43] <pragmaticenigma> MikeWorth: Did you see my previous comment?
[18:43] <njd001> so back to my xrdp issue ....
[18:43] <njd001> how do i get it to do something than a black screen?
[18:43] <njd001> it worked once then i rebooted then it was gone
[18:43] <MikeWorth> pragmaticenigma yes, although I'm not conviced that the SSD is dead - it worked fine in the previous machine and I haven't seen any errors reading data from it
[18:44] <MikeWorth> njd001 I've done apt update/grade, I assume that covers off the OS up to date and I need to check my MoBo manufacturers website for any BIOS update?
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> MikeWorth: Solid state rarely will show issues with reads. It's the write that shows up sooner. And my comment was nothing to do with reading or writing. Adding a piece of hardward, seeing issues, then removing the hardware and having the issues clear up is indicative that the device is the problem. Not the software
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> MikeWorth: Start with the hardware side of it, if you don't have another m2 to test with, then find another machine that you can test that m2 in (not the one it came from)
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> MikeWorth: baring that, boot a live instance of Ubuntu with the M2 drive installed, see if you see the same output in the log files
[18:47] <MikeWorth> pragmaticenigma why not the one it came from? surely that's an independent test of the SSD? And surely even a wonky SSD shouldn't bring down all other USB devices in a well configured OS?
[18:48] <adamsmith34> @njd001 I've seen black screen when remoting in with VNC as well. I dont' think I got that one solved. I just reinstalled. I've seen related information in search.
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> MikeWorth: I don't think you're understanding the root of what I'm trying to say
[18:50] <njd001> brb need to go sit in the SOC for a demo :)
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> MikeWorth: Based on the information you have provided, I'm starting with the lowest, and least intensive troubleshooting. Trying to load up your machine full of drivers and configuration changes is going to leave you with a machine you can't be sure what's what anymore.
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> That is why I'm recommending finding another machine, or booting a live instance and see if you still encounter the problem. If it persists then one of two outcomes are possible, either the M2 drive is dead, or it is not compatible with your motherboard. It is possible what you think is an M2 slot isn't.
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> MikeWorth: The point is, use a process of elimination first. Before throwing more things at the problem and potentially creating new problems and exponentially increase the number of possible reasons why you're having problems with your computer.
[19:02] <njd001> back
[19:02] <njd001> so why does xrdp connect but no data output
[19:18] <pragmaticenigma> njd001: This thread mentions something about not passing in the domain to log into as having resolved their issue. https://sourceforge.net/p/xrdp/discussion/389417/thread/64949bc2/
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> njd001: So if your login looks like "localdomain\username" try switching it to just having "username"
[19:52] <rbo> hey, I am having one of the weirdest but annoying issues. whenever I run sudo apt-get update or any apt commands, it takes like 20 - 40 seconds for the command to launch.
[19:52] <rbo> anyone experienced this before or might have any tip on fixing them? several google searches didn't really pop anything up
[19:53] <rbo> it seemed to have started after installing 'vundle' for vim.
[19:53] <rbo> or maybe a recent software update
[19:56] <rbo> ooh nevermind
[19:56] <rbo> I think I just found the problem. seems like 'sudo' anything is what causes the delay
[20:00] <rbo> fixed it
[20:01] <rbo> somehow hostname changed - `<IP_ADDRESS> <hostname>` was incorrect, I set the proper hostname in /etc/hosts and it worked just fine.
[20:09] <njd001> do you absolutely need netplan to join to an AD?
[20:24] <mallenjordan> anyone around that can help me try something from another network location?
[20:24] <mallenjordan> I just need someone to nslookup a hostname and see what they get also
[20:28] <kxsl> how do you report spam on launchpad? unless pushing drugs is ubuntu's side hustle? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hydrocodone-online
[20:29] <EriC^^> mallenjordan: what do you need?
[20:29] <njd001> finally on the side of the split of the living
[20:47] <osse> braaaaains
[20:49]  * SimonNL looks around.       where ????
[21:05] <rana_ans> hey can anyone help me with a cmake error: Invoking "make -j4 -l4" failed
[21:06] <rana_ans> pastebin: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QJW6zY4fZZ/
[21:09] <rana_ans> hello? anyone who could help please
[21:10] <bprompt> !ask @ rana_ans
[21:10] <bprompt> `ask @ rana_ans
[21:11] <rana_ans> cmake error: Invoking "make -j4 -l4" failed
[21:11] <rana_ans> whole output of catkin_make is at pastebin: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QJW6zY4fZZ/
[21:12] <rana_ans> bprompt ^
[21:12] <rana_ans> umm any human being here? :D
[21:13] <guntbert_> rana_ans: plenty, but don't expect that everyone is an expert with your problem :-))
[21:14] <rana_ans> guntbert_: yea someone fixed this problem once before and I have totally forgotten helpers name or how did I solve it :/
[21:15] <kxsl> rana_ans, you got a permission denied error on 329, look at that
[21:15] <rana_ans> kxsl: lemme check for it
[21:21] <rana_ans> kxsl: yea I searched for it and seems like after git cloning, .cfg file required chmod +x, although now after running catkin_make again, it didnt give any error but it is stuck at 2% and dong nothing else
[21:21] <rana_ans> kxsl: nvm it working and continued, thank you for pointing out the error <3
[21:22] <kxsl> rana_ans, you're welcome
[21:26] <guntbert_> bprompt: btw, what you likely were looking for (in talking with ubottu) was
[21:26] <guntbert_> !bot > bprompt
[21:27] <palebluesky> Is possible to setup a ftp server on a ubuntu machine and have some download a file on ftp server via browser/http?
[21:27] <bprompt> guntbert_:  well, I was looking for an alias for "ask" :)
[21:27] <palebluesky> So instead of using dropbox or similar to share a file, I wanted to setup something of my own and secure.
[21:28] <kxsl> palebluesky, i would use owncloud. much more modern and has more features
[21:29] <guntbert_> bprompt: that would be "help" :-)), but I got the impression that you wanted to direct a message to another user
[21:29] <bprompt> guntbert_:  right
[21:30] <kxsl> palebluesky, sorry, that should be nextcloud. owncloud is the old thing and no one uses that anymore
[21:31] <palebluesky> @kxsl I am looking at nextcloud now. Thanks. Is it easy to setup?
[21:32] <kxsl> i found it moderately easy to do on amazon. getting some extra features, performance, and security takes some extra work, but it does 90-95% of what it's supposed to out of the box
[21:32] <rana_ans> kxsl: hey could you look into this too, some header file or something is missing and I dont understand it: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MfdZFg2Bkg/
[21:34] <palebluesky> Thanks kxsl.
[21:38] <kxsl> rana_ans, there's a lot more going on in that one, but it looks like there's a problem at 78 with a python script not finding a module called SensorLevels. also at 103, there appears to be a missing header file SDL.h. not sure what to do about that, it looks like it should be part of that source package, but try to fix the python part first and see if it goes away
[22:01] <akik> i installed autofs on ubuntu 18.04 but "automount: files" or similar wasn't added to /etc/nsswitch.conf. i had to add it there myself
[22:09] <akik> why is gnome's file manager so.. neutered?
[22:10] <kxsl> it's for 'humans'
[22:11] <kxsl> it's a file manager that really takes a fifth of whiskey to appreciate
[22:11] <akik> the same way as the new star wars is for new fans
[22:12] <Pazooza> You mean Gnome Commander?
[22:14] <akik> nautilus, i think it is
[22:15] <Pazooza> Well try commander, it's not neutered.
[22:16] <Pazooza> Careful you don't wreak your system.
[22:17] <akik> that's a bit too much, like mc
[22:29] <akik> nemo looks better
[22:30] <akik> i can even make a bookmark to my automounted directory
[22:35] <feoh> I liked the KDE one, but mostly if I have to use a graphical file manager I get annoyed and look for a CLI way to do the thing I want :)
[22:35] <akik> dolphin is good
[22:36] <akik> i have no wish to use nautilus again
[22:38] <feoh> I'm running Gnome right now and have yet to tango with Nautilus, because see above. I'll let you know how annoyed I get once I get there :)
[22:39] <akik> trust me..
[22:39] <akik> it's like it's made for simple tasks
[22:40] <feoh> Has Nautilus gotten any development love along with the rest of Gnome? I hear 3.34 is hugely improved and that's what I'm running now.
[22:40] <akik> the root directory is behind two clicks, "+ Other Locations -> Computer"
[22:40] <feoh> heh
[22:43] <Pazooza> Thunar is another file manager that might work for you.
[22:44] <ducasse> or spacefm if you want something that's easy to extend
[22:50] <feoh> Strikes me that all file managers are trying to map one abstract representation (filesystems and files) into another abstract representation (icons and folders) and that the mapping from A to B isn't always clear or intuitive, especially for OS like UNIX where files and directories can have additional attributes and behaviors.
[23:22] <rodney77> Hi there, is there any good solution for integrating general contacts with messenger?
[23:23] <mustmodify> I have over 100 files that contain "---". I want to replace the 3rd through nth instance of that with ```. </sigh>
[23:23] <mustmodify> any suggesions of what tool I should use?
[23:24] <rodney77> I use a CardDav server which is connected to gnome contacts and thunderbird. Empathy identifies which of my google contacts are also in my addressbook, and it will give me the option of calling them via Voip. But I would like to be able to see all my contacts, and have the option to call any of them -- not just the ones in my gTalk list
[23:24] <mustmodify> I'm happy to figure it out. Just don't know where to even start.
[23:43] <someone235> I need to delete my swap file on LVM and recreate it bigger. Someone knows how to do it?
[23:47] <FKHell> mustmodify is this a homework? anyway you can just ls -1 the files you need and feed them to xargs, then use sed -i. do a trial run before you do it
[23:48] <FKHell> or you can use find, but i hardly use that
[23:50] <FKHell> i forgot the crucial part of using head or tail on ls -1 to skip the first 3 files. also if it is fixed text you don't need sed


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