[09:06] <huats> morning
[19:58] <highvoltage> * Edubuntu Meeting in 2 minutes
[20:00] <highvoltage> right! who's here?
[20:00] <alkisg> o/
[20:00]  * Lns raises hand
[20:01] <highvoltage> I meant to send a mail to the mailing list about this meeting, I suck with stuff like that, will sned out a reminder for next week
[20:02] <highvoltage> Let's start with technical, as usual :)
[20:03] <highvoltage> mhall119: did you perhaps have some more time to look at the qimo gnome config?
[20:04] <highvoltage> ok he did say he'll be in and out
[20:04]  * dinda raises hand while holding a sandwich in the other
[20:04] <highvoltage> alpha3 is due tomorrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[20:04] <highvoltage> we currently have a broken image but it should be fixed tomorrow morning, if anyone has some time to test that would be great!
[20:05] <highvoltage> dinda: glad you're here!
[20:05]  * inetpro observing
[20:06] <highvoltage> eek, my web browser always chooses the best time to freeze up :)
[20:06] <highvoltage> dinda: have you seen Gnome Nanny before?
[20:06] <dinda> highvoltage: nope, it sounds familiar though
[20:06] <dinda> I was just at Moodle Moot and some of the teachers were asking about such tools
[20:07] <highvoltage> dinda: I was about to paste you some screenshots and was going to ask you if you ever get requests for that :)
[20:07] <dinda> highvoltage: I talked to Martin dougiamas about Moodle and the state of our packaging. . .
[20:08] <highvoltage> yay chromium is alive again
[20:08] <dinda> highvoltage: I have heard requests from both parents and teachers
[20:08] <highvoltage> dinda: http://www.tectonic.co.za/2010/06/gnome-nanny/
[20:08] <dinda> highvoltage: school administrators as well
[20:08] <highvoltage> it allows limiting time using the computer, web browser, mail and instant messenger, and you can also do content filtering
[20:09] <dinda> highvoltage: the debate goes back and forth between just teaching 'smart' browsing and using a guardian program
[20:09] <highvoltage> looks nice for both small school and home setups
[20:09] <highvoltage> dinda: *nod* I can see valid arguements on both sides
[20:09] <alkisg> The only drawback I've heard about nanny was that its icon was too childish :D
[20:09] <dinda> it can't hurt to offer it to those who want it
[20:09] <highvoltage> dinda: I guess no one would find offense if we actually include something like that in edubuntu, right?
[20:10] <highvoltage> alkisg: heh, interesting :)
[20:10] <highvoltage> dinda: sorry, you were saying about moodle packaging?
[20:10] <Lns> I remember trying to install it once and failing :/
[20:10] <dgroos> I have a need to be able to manage which web addresses are accessible on the fly.
[20:10] <dgroos> is there something like that?
[20:11] <dinda> highvoltage: We were trying to figure out the status of the maintainer
[20:11] <highvoltage> dgroos: I poked around in nanny, and you can do that there from what I can tell
[20:11] <dinda> it's in universe and catalyst.nz is the maintainer
[20:11] <Lns> Yeah, i think that was before it was in a ppa
[20:11] <dinda> Martin told us he's moving the whole project over to Git. . . .
[20:11] <dgroos> highvoltage: wow--that is really handy as a way of limiting choices in a productive sense.
[20:11] <dinda> and let the flames begin. . . .
[20:12] <highvoltage> which flames would that be? git vs bzr/lp? :)
[20:12] <dinda> so he would prefer for folks to pull out of CVS and then Git when moved instead of repository
[20:12] <highvoltage> ah
[20:12] <dinda> yeah the whole git bzr/lp thing :)
[20:12] <renglaji> has anyone ever considered including School Tool http://www.schooltool.org/?
[20:13] <renglaji> sorry http://www.schooltool.org/
[20:13] <highvoltage> renglaji: we did actually include schooltool in initial edubuntu releases
[20:13] <dinda> so trying to see if there is a better way/method rather than us also hosting in universe??  i'm not sure on all of this
[20:13] <renglaji> highvoltage: but it didn't have a great reception?
[20:13] <highvoltage> renglaji: but the dependencies for it (mostly zope related) were in bad shape so it couldn't be included in the Ubuntu archives anymore
[20:13] <dinda> renglaji: someone asked me about schooltool yesterday
[20:13] <renglaji> highvoltage: I see. Thanks
[20:14] <highvoltage> renglaji: there's some good active work going into fixing that, there's now a dedicated zope maintainer, so schooltool might still make it in the archives for maverick
[20:14] <dinda> highvotalge: so I guess one, I'm curious to see if anyone might be interested in taking over the Moodle packaging
[20:14] <highvoltage> for maverick+1 we might be able to look at a school server bundle again that includes that and moodle and other useful web stuff
[20:15] <dinda> and 2 - see if we can coordinate better with Moodle and git
[20:15] <dinda> highvoltage: ok , sounds like a blueprint might be worth writing up
[20:15] <highvoltage> dinda: *nod* I just don't have an easy answer there unfortunately
[20:16] <highvoltage> dinda: yep, a blueprint might be a good way to get some good feedback/ideas
[20:16] <dinda> highvoltage: yeah me either, though Martin does promise more regular release cycles once 2.0 is out
[20:16] <dgroos> Looking at Gnome Nanny doesn't work on the fly nor can one manage groups--a basic need of classroom teachers. :(
[20:16] <dinda> so at least it "should" be a 6 month cycle starting soon
[20:16] <highvoltage> dgroos: pity
[20:16] <Lns> developers, developers, developers! =p
[20:17] <highvoltage> dgroos: so it's really more for very small classrooms or home use
[20:17] <dgroos> Yes, looks esp. for homes.
[20:19] <highvoltage> I just have one other item I need to update on, the ubiquity plugins have made some slight more progress (for configuring additional desktops and ltsp from within ubiquity), it should be in the system (although not quite functional) next week
[20:19] <highvoltage> I'll poke everyone for testing :)
[20:19] <highvoltage> I'm not sure if I've showed it in the previous meeting but the desktop chooser will look something like this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/maverick/ubiquity-plugins/screenshots/desktop-env.png
[20:20] <dinda> that is Schweet!
[20:20] <highvoltage> :)
[20:20] <dinda> I haven't kept up with the sugar folks lately but curious to see how it's going over there
[20:21] <highvoltage> dinda: would be nice if you could keep us updated if you follow them, I must admit it's hard for me sometimes to keep up with what everyone is doing
[20:21]  * alkisg thinks the desktop chooser is cool!
[20:22] <dinda> highvoltage: me too!  and now hearing from NCOSE - Natl Center for Open source in Education
[20:22] <highvoltage> the new ltsp configuration from ubiquity should also be nicer than any previous setup we've had to do
[20:23] <dinda> the conference I was just at had Dell pushing LTSP, well their version built on the dell cloud
[20:23] <dinda> so not LTSP but VMware/Cisco  KACE solution
[20:23] <highvoltage> yeah
[20:23] <dinda> folks in the audience told them about LTSP
[20:24] <dinda> and one guy even invited them to his school to see his LTSP and Ubuntu lab!
[20:24] <highvoltage> nice :)
[20:24] <dinda> it made my day :)
[20:24] <uros1> Greetings from Belgrade Serbia to all. if it`s possible I have small info for Edubuntu people, I'll wait for the end of the meeting
[20:24] <highvoltage> that's why I want to get our website sorted out, to showcase those kind of schools
[20:25] <highvoltage> just waiting for a request to the sysadmins to fix permissions
[20:26] <dinda> oh if I might also mention some feedback to report from a FLOSSInclude project?
[20:26] <highvoltage> I guess that's basically it from me :)
[20:26] <highvoltage> dinda: yes please!
[20:27] <dinda> http://www.flossinclude.org/
[20:27] <dinda> We're in the final stages of writing up our case study reports
[20:27] <dinda> some great info there from all over the world on pilots to use FLOSS in education
[20:28] <dinda> the results were many things we already knew;  policy and politics not technology were the barriers
[20:28] <dinda> the good news is that the word open source is now considered mainstream if you will
[20:28] <pleia2> cool, I'd love to contribute to that once we've got our schools out here in cali documented
[20:29] <highvoltage> nice, we should link to that
[20:29] <dinda> it's no longer a hindrance to sys admins and others who fear security issues or not being able to find support
[20:29] <highvoltage> pleia2: that would be fantastic
[20:29] <dinda> so while still much work to be done, the future looks bright
[20:30] <dinda> edubuntu has a good name out there, thanks to you folks :)
[20:30] <highvoltage> yep, since the last year or so I've heard about ubuntu/free software/etc just about everywhere. overhear people talking about it at the gym, supermarkets, etc.
[20:30] <uros1> If it`s possible I have small info for Edubuntu people...
[20:30] <highvoltage> it wasn't like that 10 or even 5 years ago :)
[20:31] <dinda> i'm done
[20:31] <highvoltage> dinda: *nod* we need to make it live up to its name though :)
[20:31] <renglaji> dinda: I am in the process of researching the possibility of starting an Ubuntu/Edubuntu lab at a small school on the Tibetan plateau, do you know if FLOSSInclude will be soliciting another round of grant proposals?
[20:31] <mhall119> highvoltage: sorry I'm late
[20:31] <dinda> renglaji: great question!
[20:31] <highvoltage> mhall119: np!
[20:31] <mhall119> highvoltage: can we hit on qimo-gnome at the end of the meeting?
[20:31] <dinda> renglaji: we are looking at ways to collaborate once the initial grant ends in a few months
[20:32] <dgroos> uros1: speak!
[20:32] <uros1> ok tnx
[20:32] <uros1> Several team members expressed interest in supporting schools in two  Belgrade Municipalities (Vracar and Rakovica) where elementary schools  students use Edubuntu based programs. We plan to set up the  infrastructure to help them coordinate and improve skills, both of  teachers and students. We have the opportunity to participate in program  as a official software support.
[20:32] <dinda> renglaji: email me and I can put you touch with others  dinda  AT ubuntu.com
[20:32] <highvoltage> mhall119: I think we're pretty much there, but if you need to dissappear for a bit, I'll still be here when you get back
[20:32] <mhall119> highvoltage: cool
[20:32] <renglaji> dinda: Great! Thanks for the information.
[20:32] <uros1> Facts: Rakovica municipality – 1104 computers in 14 schools Vracar municipality – 1417 computers in 11 schools Edubuntu 9.04. - 100% localized
[20:32] <mhall119> so, looking into gconf, I have 2 options for qimo-session-gnome
[20:33] <uros1> We plan to upgrade computers to Edubuntu 10.04 LTS in October; for that purpose, LoCo members are translating additional applications.
[20:33] <mhall119> #1 is to have the qimo session keep an entirely different gconf database, for every app that uses gconf
[20:33] <dinda> uros1: wow, that is awesome
[20:33] <highvoltage> uros1: wow!
[20:33] <dgroos> uros1: cool--how long have you been setting this up?
[20:33] <mhall119> #2 is to have the qimo session set it's configs as uneditable and mandatory, this would only affect settings Qimo needs, but the user wouldn't be able to chose those settings
[20:33] <uros1> here is media coverage is on serbian, but several photos are there
[20:33] <uros1> http://www.sk.rs/2009/11/skak01.html
[20:33] <mhall119> I'm learning towards options #2
[20:33] <highvoltage> uros1: would we able to do an interview with you at some point?
[20:34] <uros1> yes and full feedback from Serbian LoCo is on the way
[20:34] <highvoltage> uros1: yay!
[20:34] <uros1> :)
[20:35] <dgroos> I'd be interested in learning how you are encouraging teachers to use them--too bad I can't do Serbian!
[20:35] <uros1> its easy,edubuntu is free...
[20:36] <highvoltage> mhall119: ok, I'll try to find some time to also look at the gconf part. it does sound kind of clunky to work with
[20:36] <dinda> uros1: I started creating some training materials for edubuntu 10.04, anyone is welcome to translate them
[20:36] <uros1> where_
[20:36] <mhall119> not really, I just have to set an ENV variable when GDM is starting the qimo session
[20:36] <uros1> sorry wrong layout where?
[20:36] <mhall119> which I already do for the Xfce session
[20:36] <dgroos> I mean, what ways are they instructionally integrated into the classroom?
[20:37] <dinda> http://learn.ufbt.net/
[20:37] <highvoltage> mhall119: yeah but the the seperate gconf database thing kind of irks me :)
[20:37] <dinda> uros1: those were on 9.10 but I'm planning to update to 10.04 soon
[20:37] <mhall119> highvoltage: which is why I'm leaning towards #2, non-changeable settings for the qimo-only settings
[20:37] <highvoltage> dinda: do you have a link to that? someone asked me for some training material just yesterday and I coulnd't remember where it was
[20:38] <dinda> highvoltage: http://learn.ufbt.net/
[20:38] <dinda> for basic Ubuntu stuff i'd point them to the Getting Started with Ubuntu manual project
[20:41] <uros1> ah, phone... sorry, well Serbian team have translated Ubuntu manual and LoCo directory, we plan to print them in hardcopy for all users
[20:42] <highvoltage> I wonder if UCLP would be a good place to consolidate some of the documentation efforts
[20:42] <uros1> we run up in government program of free educational books, and waiting for result
[20:43] <uros1> with good chance
[20:44] <highvoltage> uros1: it would be nice if you could keep in touch and let us know how that goes
[20:44] <highvoltage> uros1: we usually hang out on #edubuntu and mostly get together once a week on irc in this channel (every wednesday this time)
[20:45] <highvoltage> I badly want to see more teachers getting involved and communicating with each other, but for that we need more people like you involved :)
[20:45] <uros1> ok no problemo urosldp at gmail.com is email
[20:46] <highvoltage> thanks
[20:46] <uros1> tnx to all for greta work
[20:46] <highvoltage> mhall119:
[20:46] <highvoltage> oops,
[20:47] <highvoltage> mhall119: I'll poke you again a bit later about the gnome bits :)
[20:47] <dgroos> uros1: to you, too.
[20:47] <highvoltage> other than that, our next meeting is on 11 August at 19:00 UTC in this channel as usual
[20:48] <highvoltage> would be nice to get some good momentum going again so please write it down somewhere :)
[20:49] <mhall119> highvoltage: ok
[20:49] <highvoltage> and if anyone wants to add something to the agenda, it's up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda
[20:50] <highvoltage> meeting adjourned, find us in #edubuntu for any further questions :)
[20:50] <highvoltage> *GONG*
[20:50] <alkisg> Thanks highvoltage
[20:50] <dgroos> highvoltage: occasional chatting about it would be a useful strategy as well. goals, needs, etc--getting those out in public.  I'll try to hang a bit more on the irc though I'm out and about these days a good bit.
[20:51] <highvoltage> dgroos: thanks :)


[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:23] <RikMills> [13:13:35]<sil2100> Hello flavors! I have a request: could you test out our current dailies on available hardware? We want to make sure the new shim is safe to go to -updates, and for this we'd like to know if the current version works on most of the hardware (both the installer media and the actual installed system)
[12:23] <RikMills> [13:14:08]<sil2100> Correction: current focal dailies
[12:24] <RikMills> ^^ from #ubuntu-flavors
[16:27] <mparillo> shim is used in Secure Boot?


[01:32] <tdaitx> wth
[10:36] <doko> sbeattie, tdaitx: should we have a meeting tonight?
[10:37] <doko> steve and pat are away, however we didn't schedule any other this week, and both are at a sprint ...
[10:45] <doko> tdaitx: rbalint suggested to do an unattended upgrade test before the final copy to -security
[14:45] <tdaitx> I see, the meeting was not recurrent, pat was scheduling it on demand
[14:45] <tdaitx> well, I will be checking u-u for bionic and cosmic today as instructed by rbalint, deal with scilab, and the failed android-platform-tools-apksig FTBFS in disco
[14:45] <tdaitx> do you feel there's something we need to discuss today on call or is it something we could talk about over IRC?
[14:45] <tdaitx> on my side I see these 2 failures as needing fixes, then need to make sure u-u works
[14:49] <tdaitx> oh, the meeting starts pretty early for sbeattie, not sure he will be able to give us any head up, maybe it is easier to check if we can/should schedule for tomorrow?
[14:49] <tdaitx> doko: ^
[17:27] <doko> tdaitx: what do you want to address for scilab?
[18:07] <tdaitx> doko: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1739476 fixed in 6.0.2 in Disco
[18:08] <tdaitx> and sbeattie is out this whole week
[19:09] <tdaitx> regarding scilab, I only saw earlier that there were new bionic/cosmic releases from 7h ago
[19:10] <tdaitx> the changelog didn't include the aforementioned bug, so looking at the bug report it seemed that the fix could be missing, I asked the user to test it again with the new version


[00:32] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/distroseries-spec-preload/+merge/180046
[02:03] <wgrant> StevenK: What about searches that don't need workitems?
[02:03] <wgrant> And also I think your preloading omits a sort.
[02:04] <StevenK> wgrant: I should order by workitem.sequence ?
[02:05] <StevenK> wgrant: I was thinking about that -- which calls don't you think require workitems?
[02:06] <wgrant> StevenK: The web UI's search, for example.
[02:07] <wgrant> StevenK: You should probably aggregate the workitems by spec, then sort each spec's items, then add them to the spec.
[02:08] <StevenK> wgrant: Which means no load_referencing() :-(
[02:08] <wgrant> StevenK: Sort afterwards.
[02:08] <wgrant> Sorting it Python is fine when you need the whole set anyway.
[02:11] <StevenK> wgrant: I see what you mean WRT the web UI, but I don't think I can tell the difference in a preload hook
[02:18] <wgrant> StevenK: You can't, no. You need to use an argument.
[02:19] <wgrant> Most of the methods that preload stuff like that have a kwarg to enable it.
[02:20] <StevenK> wgrant: Right. We already have that
[02:21] <StevenK> I'll check that the webui stuff turns off preload
[02:28] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5987337/
[02:36] <wgrant> StevenK: Sounds reasonable.
[03:16] <StevenK> wgrant: The diff is updated
[03:17] <StevenK> But I suspect I need to rework the preload hook
[03:17] <StevenK> We want to preload people always, but not workitems
[03:17] <wgrant> Right
[03:17] <wgrant> getPrecachedPersonsById or whatever it is has an option for each
[05:08] <StevenK> Blah
[05:08] <StevenK> visible_specifications and _valid_specifications are properties, and exported as such
[05:27] <wgrant> StevenK: What's the issue with that?
[05:31] <StevenK> wgrant: The browser code calls the same properties that the API does.
[05:47] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5987804/ is what I have, with the plan that the webui doesn't add prejoin_objects and the API does.
[05:50] <wgrant> StevenK: Isn't linked_branches needed by the web UI?
[05:51] <StevenK> wgrant: Hm, maybe
[05:51] <StevenK> Then we have objects and extra_objects?
[05:51] <StevenK> This is a horrible mess
[05:53] <wgrant> StevenK: The others have a flag for each. need_branches, need_people, for example.
[05:54] <StevenK> wgrant: Right, but I still don't see how I can seperate it out if it's called via properties
[05:54] <wgrant> StevenK: You can't use the property.
[05:58] <StevenK> Grump
[05:58] <StevenK> Let me think
[06:11]  * StevenK tries to work out how to combine functions
[06:13] <wgrant> StevenK: Combine?
[06:14] <StevenK> wgrant: If I have need_people, need_branches, need_workitems then I have three pre_iter_hooks to call
[06:20] <wgrant> StevenK: Why not have one pre_iter_hook?
[06:21] <StevenK> wgrant: Oh, with partial() ?
[06:21] <wgrant> StevenK: with if
[06:22] <StevenK> wgrant: I need to throw arguments at it, don't I?
[06:24] <wgrant> StevenK: Closures
[06:26] <StevenK> Bleh, nested functions
[06:27] <StevenK> I think I've seen partial as an existing pattern
[06:27] <wgrant> The existing stuff doesn't use partial
[06:28] <StevenK> Aw
[06:28] <wgrant> See prepopulate_person in _getPrecachedPersons
[06:28] <wgrant> Pretty simple
[06:28] <wgrant> That's a decorator rather than a pre_iter_hook, but you get the idea.
[06:29] <StevenK> Yes
[21:05] <wgrant> jelmer: Can you land the bzr-git thing?
[21:05] <wgrant> Thanks for the reviews.
[21:07] <jelmer> wgrant: you should be able to, I think
[21:08] <wgrant> jelmer: I'm not in bzrish teams
[21:10] <jelmer> wgrant: I'm sure that's fixable :-)
[21:11] <jelmer> I guess I can land this one change; I'd like to avoid the impression that I'm actually maintaining it though.
[21:13] <wgrant> jelmer: Who should I talk to about ~bzr membership?
[21:13] <wgrant> Though it would be appreciated if you could land this one.
[21:13] <jelmer> wgrant: sure, I can do that
[21:14] <jelmer> wgrant: I think jam is probably the best person to ask about it
[21:14] <wgrant> jelmer: Thanks, will do.
[23:36] <wgrant> jelmer: Thanks!
[23:36] <jelmer> thank you :)


[10:24] <sifat> hello
[10:24] <zaki> hey sifat
[10:27] <zaki> sifat, you are from Panchagarh ?
[10:27] <sifat> sifat, hello
[10:27] <sifat> zaki, yes
[10:28] <sifat> zaki, I was just looking around
[10:28] <zaki> yea
[10:28] <sifat> zaki, but need to go, take care
[13:25] <pavlushka> zaki: o/
[13:36] <pavlushka> sifat: o/
[13:36] <zaki> wb pavlushka and sifat
[13:42] <pavlushka> zaki: ty


[20:20] <thistony> this does not search the internet for packages though
[20:21] <Thorby> Hi all.  Where can I find a complete command reference for Ubuntu?  I just ran sudo iwconfig wlan2 power off, for example and it did work but I am wondering where I con consult the list of commands like this.
[20:21] <x13> hey for some reason my software center wont open can someone please walk me through fixing it I'm a newbie to Ubuntu.
[20:21] <sw> Thorby: $ man
[20:21] <thistony> cyberpork:  as for flash... uninstall flash player completely then reinstall the newext version.
[20:21] <Thorby> money?
[20:22] <Thorby> ohhh
[20:22] <Thorby> lol sorry
[20:22] <Thorby> lemme try that in terminal
[20:22] <FloodBot1> Thorby: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:22] <Thorby> Got "what manual page do you want"
[20:22] <thistony> Thorby:  google is your friend
[20:22] <cyberpork> thistony, i've already  do it  and i've cleaned the.macromedia folder but nothing changed
[20:23] <Thorby> thistony I did try google but couldn't get a complete reference, just a bunch of forums
[20:23] <wilee-nilee> Thorby, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandLineResources
[20:23] <thistony> cyberpork:  also you may have to clear your browsers cache as well
[20:24] <Thorby> wilee-nilee thanks that looks just about right
[20:24] <thistony> Thorby:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandLineResources
[20:24] <thistony> lol worry wilee-nilee
[20:24] <thistony> sorry*
[20:24] <wilee-nilee> lol
[20:25] <wilee-nilee> no biggie it s all giid
[20:25] <wilee-nilee> good*
[20:25] <thistony> lol
[20:29] <TuomasT> What protecton does Ubuntu package system have against FinFisher type attacks? (masquarade remote install of spyware by system/ popular application update)?
[20:30] <nibbler_> TuomasT: signed packages
[20:30] <mrHTTP> windows rulz
[20:31] <_Trullo> my ubuntu can't start a program, cannot allocate memory, how do I fix this?
[20:31] <mrHTTP> windows rulz
[20:31] <TuomasT> nibbler_: Where could I find more information about this?
[20:31] <tonsofpcs> Dr_willis: I found one of the issues is that qt4 changed the path structure, working on trying to get it to recognize now, running into 'incomplete installation' issues
[20:31] <TuomasT> i.e. how ubuntu package system works
[20:31] <nibbler_> mrHTTP: please 1) don't repeat, and 2) don't troll
[20:32] <mrHTTP> sorry
[20:32] <x13> my software center wont open can someone help please I'm a newbie and need to be walked through the process
[20:32] <nibbler_> TuomasT: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html
[20:32] <mrHTTP> keyboard stuck
[20:32] <LjL> TuomasT: i'm not too familiar with this attack, but i thought i'd point out that if Canonical is cooperating with the attacker, then i really doubt any signing helps. not sure if this is your threat model
[20:32] <TuomasT> nibbler_: Also, I would think packages are signed in Windows / OS X too
[20:33] <Dr_willis> !apt
[20:33] <mrHTTP> is ubuntu the new mac?
[20:33] <nibbler_> TuomasT: well, but how do you install a piece of software in windows? you  download it from a random webpage - in ubuntu (most distros are similar in this point) you have a centrally managed repository, with maintainers  signing their packages, if you only use those, you shold be fine - as long as ubuntu does not get compromised
[20:33] <Dr_willis> mrHTTP,  you may want to ask non-support questions in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:34] <x13> my software center wont open can someone help please I'm a newbie and need to be walked through the process
[20:34] <TuomasT> nibbler_: I like the fact that packages are signed by individual maintainers and not some central authority
[20:35] <Dr_willis> x13,  try from a terminal,  'sudo apt-get update' then 'sudo apt-get upgrade'   let it do the various upates.  then try the software center again
[20:35] <thistony> in quagmire voice: "Oh God, trying to enable netgear rounters client bridge / repeater bridge mode is like trying to get 2 nuns naked"
[20:35] <nibbler_> TuomasT: i guess its more like central authority, but i'm no expert on that - if you keep with the official repo, and don't add closed source ones, you are as safe as you can be i guess
[20:36] <x13> Drwillis: tried that last night didn't work
[20:36] <nibbler_> TuomasT: and of course don't install anything from 3rd party sources (including firefox plugins etc)
[20:37] <nibbler_> x13: nopaste output of this process....
[20:37] <nibbler_> x13: or does it work well in the cli?
[20:37] <toprunner> ciao
[20:38] <x13> nibbler: I did it last night. Dont have the copy anymore. Software center simply wont open... not sure why. Tried updating adn upgrading to no avail
[20:38] <cyberpork> bye bye babbioni!
[20:39] <TuomasT> nibbler_: I'm thinking that with a distro the size of ubuntu and derivates, I'm sure there attacks especially for ubuntu packages, and of course since FinFisher is used by the authorities the package maintainers have to co-operate to allow such attacks.
[20:40] <TuomasT> Especially, if there is a single central package signing authority.
[20:40] <Dr_willis> 'have to' ?
[20:40] <nibbler_> TuomasT: i just don't think so. if any OS got cought doing that, it would be its end.
[20:40] <TuomasT> Dr_willis: By law
[20:40] <Dr_willis> whos law?
[20:40] <Dr_willis> sounds like somthing for another channel..since its not Ubuntu-support related
[20:41] <Daekdroom> Are there any ways to have folder bookmarks in GNOME-Files in 13.04?
[20:41] <Daekdroom> I lost mine after I did the upgrade
[20:41] <ChogyDan> is there a way to restart the upgrade process?  it crashed on me
[20:41] <x13> my software center wont open can someone help please I'm a newbie and need to be walked through the process
[20:42] <Dr_willis> x13,  try launching it from a terminal. look for error messages.. ive no idea what the command is to launch it from terminal is however..
[20:42] <Dr_willis> Im on lubuntu. so its not there fo rme
[20:42] <nibbler_> x13: as i asked you before: what is the result of the commands Dr_willis gave you? if it does not look 100% clean, please nopaste the output
[20:44] <trism> Daekdroom: hit the Gear/Bookmark this location when you are in the folder, also there is a File/Bookmarks menu in the panel that seems to show them all
[20:44] <Guest86782> Is pidgin already fixed in 13.04?
[20:44] <Dr_willis> cant you drag a folder to the left side pane in the file manager also for a bookmark thing.
[20:45] <GodsFlaw> still no luck I did the nomodeset but still get the blinking cursor.  Do I need a boot partition?
[20:45] <nibbler_> x13: also try to sudo /usr/bin/software-center and nopaste its output
[20:46] <Dr_willis> !pastebin
[20:46] <nibbler_> GodsFlaw: you always need a boot partition.... i don't know what you tried already, but removing the bootoptions splash and quiet might help debugging
[20:46] <Dr_willis> !text
[20:46] <Dr_willis> text mode should show possible errors also
[20:47] <GodsFlaw> so when installing to a new disk you need root boot and swap?
[20:47] <nibbler_> oh nice, i'll remember this. noapic nolapic acpi=off lapic=off (some here are wrong/redundant) are good parameters too, if some hardware refuses to boot linux
[20:47] <GodsFlaw> (why does it let you install without boot?)
[20:47] <djQuery> dang I gotta get steam working again
[20:48] <nibbler_> GodsFlaw: root is enough, but you need a partition marked as boot partition. swap is optional but recommended, too
[20:48] <Silas_> Brand new owner of a System76 Pangolin Performance laptop. No audio, have tried everything I can think of and find online to fix / install the drivers. Does anyone have any suggestions?
[20:48] <auronandace> GodsFlaw: the only required partition is root
[20:48] <daek_> trism, thank you. Apparently the bookmarks were lost, so all I had to do was find out how to add them back.
[20:48] <GodsFlaw> marked as boot?
[20:48] <djQuery> steam keeps saying I am missing a bunch of 32bit libraries
[20:48] <djQuery> and low on disk space
[20:48] <nibbler_> GodsFlaw: like in the partition table - fdisk etc....
[20:49] <GodsFlaw> the installer does not make the root partition boot?
[20:49] <nibbler_> GodsFlaw: it does. just saying. you should not need to worry about that, sorry for the confusion.
[20:50] <Dr_willis> you do not 'need' a seperate /boot/ partition. except in a few cases..   / can work as your boot partition
[20:50] <GodsFlaw> kk
[20:50] <nibbler_> GodsFlaw: so do you get into the boot menu, grub? did you add "text" parameter to the kernel line?
[20:50] <GodsFlaw> any idea then why I get the blinking cursor.  Looks to me like ubuntu does not even get called.
[20:50] <GodsFlaw> I have tried installs on two disks.
[20:51] <GodsFlaw> I can start ubuntu from the usb
[20:51] <Dr_willis> GodsFlaw,  video card/chipset driver issues.
[20:51] <Dr_willis> GodsFlaw,  what is your video card? have you tried the nomodeset and text options yet to get to a console?
[20:51] <GodsFlaw> then why can I test ubuntu from usb?
[20:51] <Dr_willis> its using a differnt video driver would be my guess
[20:51] <Dr_willis> what IS your video chipset?
[20:52] <Silas_> Anyone have suggestions for the no audio in Ubuntu issue?
[20:52] <GodsFlaw> I did do nomodeset.  I loged into it useing usb and editid file.
[20:52] <GodsFlaw> asuse nividia
[20:52] <Dr_willis> Silas_,  over hdmi? or how exactly?
[20:52] <becnfecn> Anyone know how I can disable 3d effects in 13.04?
[20:52] <Dr_willis> GodsFlaw,  normally i boot to text mode, or do nomodeset to get into the system. then install the nvidia-current package to install my nvidia drivers
[20:52] <nibbler_> GodsFlaw: could you not access the boot menu, with the esc or shift key and edit it on the fly while booting for testing?
[20:53] <GodsFlaw> nope
[20:53] <Silas_> Dr_willis, complete lack of audio on brand new laptop. Tried the whole removing Pulse and reinstalling Alsa, but get nothing
[20:53] <ChogyDan> becnfecn: maybe ccsm
[20:53] <GodsFlaw> bios then blinking currsor.
[20:53] <GodsFlaw> looks like it is not finding os.
[20:53] <Dr_willis> Silas_,  'brand new' could be there might not  be proper drivers. or buggy drivers for that laptops audio chipset.
[20:54] <Dr_willis> GodsFlaw,  if you are not seeing Grub at all. you may want to use a live-cd and try the boot-repair tool mentioned at the following....
[20:54] <Dr_willis> !fixgrub
[20:54] <Guest86782> Is Pidgin already fixed in Ubuntu 13.04? (Notifications, Messaging Menu..)
[20:54] <GodsFlaw> does grub come on the install usb?
[20:55] <Dr_willis> !grub
[20:55] <djQuery> dang cant get video drive installed for nvidia gts450
[20:57] <TuomasT> When I install dev packages of say boost, do I still need to intsall the
[20:57] <TuomasT> non-dev package?
[20:57] <muelli> TuomasT: yes
[20:57] <ZynACK> Yes, the non-dev packages contain the actual compiled libraries.
[20:58] <Dr_willis> i thought if you installed foo-dev  it depended on the foo packages anyway. so should install those as well
[20:58] <TuomasT> There is some work hunting down both versions, would be easier to install just a package with option (obtain also dev)
[20:59] <TuomasT> Well, unless all of boost is packaged by the distro, then I don't see it installing any non-dev packages
[20:59] <ZynACK> I've been able to do things like 'apt-get install pygame-*' in the past to get all the pygame stuff I might have needed (such as mixer, image, dev, ...)
[21:00] <becnfecn> becnfecn: ccms?
[21:00] <becnfecn> er ccsm?
[21:00] <Dr_willis> !ccsm
[21:02] <xtacie> Im running 12.04 and using iptables.. i just installed weechat and used /connect irc.freenode.net and it translates name to ip and says connecting but gets stuck. do i have to add something to iptables to allow outbound tcp 6667??
[21:03] <Dr_willis> xtacie,  it would depend on what firewall rules you have enabled
[21:03] <Guest23775> screen -RaAd irssi irssi
[21:03] <Guest23775> exit
[21:04] <xtacie> Dr: i just dropped every iptable entry.. fresh
[21:20] <jordan4ibanez> How do I reverse the stereo audio channels?
[21:20] <jordan4ibanez> 13.04, ubuntu.
[21:20] <shwouchk> Hello
[21:20] <cp> allo shwouchk
[21:21] <becnfecn> Anyone at all know how I can turn off all 3d effects in 13.04?
[21:21] <shwouchk> After updating to 13.04 my lukfs unencryption splash screen stopped appearing. I can still get in by "blindly" typing the password, but would like to regain either the splash or a text screen. help?
[21:22] <Dr_willis> the new unity is supposed to disable 3d effects if it tells the card cant handle them. theres no unity 2d in 12.10+
[21:22] <lee_> can anyone tell me why after I install Qt SDK on ubuntu 13.04 a simple application fails to compile "cannot find -lGL"
[21:22] <becnfecn> hrm
[21:22] <lee_> I know it means missing a library file, but which library do I download?
[21:23] <wilee-nilee> becnfecn, sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool probably to tweak it
[21:23] <wilee-nilee> http://askubuntu.com/questions/287445/how-to-disable-windows-effects-in-13-04
[21:25] <lee_> can anyone tell me why after I install Qt SDK on ubuntu 13.04 a simple application fails to compile "cannot find -lGL" which library do i need?
[21:25] <becnfecn> wilee-nilee: already got it
[21:25] <becnfecn> wilee-nilee: just wanna say '2d please' i'm running it in parallels ruing to lower the load
[21:26] <wilee-nilee> becnfecn, I believe there is no 2d, I forget when it was removed, another desktop might be easier, like lubuntu.
[21:27] <Dr_willis> there is no longer a unity2d - if you are running in a VM. you may want to use lubuntu since it will be the lightest on resources
[21:27] <Dr_willis> or use the older ubuntu that still has unity2d
[21:27] <Dr_willis> lubuntu runs well for me in vbox
[21:32] <Skateboard> d
[21:33] <Skateboard> houseskateboard.blogspot.com.br
[21:36] <uvala> I have this question; when I have two systems installed on a pc, and run one of the systems, I can access the home folder of the other. how secure is this? suppose I accidentally downloaded some nasty file from the net, can this file access the other OS, or all OSes on the machine?
[21:36] <uvala> nasty file meaning some virus
[21:37] <shwouchk> anyone?
[21:37] <ZynACK> uvala, If a virus was targetting some directory on your windows partition, it'd have a hard time finding it through the Linux file system.
[21:38] <uvala> ZynACK, here is no Windows involved. all OSes on the machine are Linux, or Ubuntu, to be more precise.
[21:38] <Aurora> You could setup chroot's so they are 'jailed' into that directory.
[21:38] <ZynACK> In that case, I suppose it's possible for a virus to find and infect files on different partitions. I could be wrong, though. Never had a virus in Linux.
[21:39] <uvala> Aurora, chroot seems to make sense.
[21:39] <ms42145245> I'm getting an error when trying to format a black dvd
[21:39] <ms42145245> Errno: 5 (Input/output error), blank unit scsi sendcmd: no error CDB:  A1 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 30 05 00 00 Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x05 (cannot write medium - incompatible format) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)  cmd finished after 0.001s timeout 9600s wodim: Cannot blank disk, aborting.
[21:39] <Dr_willis> why are you formating a DVD?
[21:40] <Aurora> Yeah, I have chroot's setup on my server and that is what I use to seperate our apache server from our game servers. It's the safest way from what I've seen.
[21:40] <Dr_willis> you mean blank a DVD+RW (erase it?)
[21:40] <ms42145245> Because even though it says it's empty, it has a title and won't work when I try to burn it.
[21:40] <ms42145245> no, it's dvd+r
[21:40] <Aurora> It would work just the same on a userbase linux.
[21:41] <Dr_willis> ms42145245,  and what app are you trying to use on this dvd?
[21:41] <ms42145245> I'm using terminal.
[21:41] <Dr_willis> and using WHAT commands?
[21:41] <ms42145245> Sorry about that. I'm back
[21:42] <ms42145245> Should I explain it again?
[21:43] <uvala> Aurora, I guess I mixed it up with chmod. I am not really informed on chroot; before causing anything messy, is it possible to give a simple example of the command line to set permission i.e. for the home folder?
[21:43] <gridwest> Is there a cad utility available for GNU/Linux Ubuntu that will allow me to...1. view .dwg OrCad files   2. convert .dwg files to gerber format
[21:43] <ms42145245> Errno: 5 (Input/output error), blank unit scsi sendcmd: no error CDB:  A1 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 30 05 00 00 Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x05 (cannot write medium - incompatible format) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)  cmd finished after 0.001s timeout 9600s wodim: Cannot blank disk, aborting.
[21:44] <ascidia002> whats going on ubuntu
[21:44] <uvala> gridwest, there is a gerbv gerber file viewer, but I dont know if it converts files.
[21:44] <ascidia002> i have a question
[21:44] <Aurora> uvala, this is a very basic video tutorial I followed and it worked for what I needed it to do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTyY3in5r6Q
[21:44] <ascidia002> is bad sectors on a hard drive permanent damage sometimes physical damage
[21:45] <compdoc> ascidia002, are you looking at the SMART info?
[21:45] <Aurora> ascidia002, it can be, however it is rare from my experiences.
[21:46] <uvala> Aurora, great, thank you so much, I'll watch it!
[21:46] <Aurora> np
[21:46] <ascidia002> yes compdoc
[21:46] <compdoc> ascidia002, does it show reallocated sectors or pending sectors?
[21:46] <Dr_willis> I dont think you 'blank' optical disks - unless you are eraseing a RW disk.
[21:46] <ascidia002> im using puppy dog linux its the only thing i could get running on a live cd with hard drive bad sectors
[21:47] <compdoc> ascidia002, the data in the RAW column
[21:47] <ascidia002> sorry to mention puppy in here
[21:47] <ascidia002> well i checked in windows too it has bad sectors and it said disk failure is imminent
[21:47] <compdoc> cant just answer the questions?
[21:48] <ascidia002> well i cant answer it cuz im using puppy dog linux and i dont know how to check for that
[21:48] <ascidia002> its a small live os
[21:48] <Aurora> In that case I would say it is more than likely physical damage.
[21:48] <ascidia002> im buying a new drive just wanted to know
[21:48] <Aurora> Yeah, that is probably your best bet.
[21:48] <ascidia002> thx
[21:49] <Aurora> np
[21:49] <ascidia002> im on a dell inspiron 1501 going to get a 160 gb hd off ebay for 33.25 with a 5 year warranty
[21:49] <ascidia002> laptop that is
[21:49] <Dr_willis> seen 120gb SSD's in the $100 range and less on sale the other day. ;)
[21:50] <ascidia002> kewl
[21:50] <Dr_willis> may be cheaper now. that was a month or 3 ago.
[21:51] <Aurora> Wow, I need a couple of those lol.
[21:52] <chocolatedonuts> Hi #ubuntu. I just got an inexpensive Dell inspiron laptop, and I've been trying to follow the instructions here: (http://nwoki.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/multitouch-fix-for-alps-touchpad/) for setting up the touchpad to, um, actually function properly. Everything goes fine until I do dkms autoinstall, at which point it starts and then breaks with an error "Import error: No module named apport". Is there anything I can do? Google's not helping much.
[21:55] <chocolatedonuts> ): I just want to multi-touch scroll
[22:01] <chocolatedonuts> I just got an inexpensive Dell inspiron laptop, and I've been trying to follow the instructions here: (http://nwoki.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/multitouch-fix-for-alps-touchpad/) for setting up the touchpad to, um, actually function properly. Everything goes fine until I do dkms autoinstall, at which point it starts and then breaks with an error "Import error: No module named apport". Is there anything I can do? Google's not helping much.
[22:02] <lolbat> Why is it impossible to install the ati drivers on ubuntu?
[22:03] <MonkeyDust> !ati | lolbat start here
[22:03] <bjensen> um why is it that when I create a ssh pair with ssh-keygen -t rsa with no passphrase. However when I do a ssh -T<EMAIL_ADDRESS>im prompted for a pw for it..but I didnt set any (!)
[22:07] <lolbat> MonkeyDust: doesnt work
[22:07] <lolbat> I get that simple graphics mode crap
[22:10] <g0th> hi
[22:10] <al__> hi
[22:10] <lolbat> hi
[22:10] <g0th> is it possible to run java web applet through a proxy?
[22:10] <lolbat> How do I make ubuntu not use the simple graphics mode?
[22:10] <g0th> it won't let me connect from my current ip
[22:10] <al__> restart X
[22:10] <trism> bjensen: might try with -v to see which key is offered
[22:11] <al__> you probably have issues with dbus
[22:12] <lolbat> apt-get remove dbus?
[22:12] <lolbat> al__: Didnt work
[22:12] <al__> no don't remove service dbus stop then start
[22:13] <lolbat> al__: I stopped dbus
[22:13] <lolbat> now my desktop is like three times as awesome
[22:13] <lolbat> al__: dO I need dbus?
[22:13] <kostkon> lolbat, very much so.
[22:13] <al__> yes it's an interface into your hardware how ubuntu talks to hardware
[22:14] <lolbat> al__: I dont notice any diffrence
[22:14] <Dr_willis> you did reboot after installing the drivers?
[22:14] <lolbat> Dr_willis: yes
[22:14] <lolbat> Dr_willis: it frooze on shutdonw, and booted into simple graphics mode
[22:14] <Dr_willis> hit it with a hammer ;)
[22:14] <lolbat> I want to hit the 13.04 developer with a hammer
[22:14] <lolbat> why didnt they fix this?
[22:15] <al__> you may not but it should be the modern interface for talking to hardware instead of userspace
[22:15] <Dr_willis> i imagine ati is as much to blame.
[22:15] <lolbat> Dr_willis: it worked in 12.10
[22:15] <gridwest> @uvala thanks
[22:15] <Dr_willis> new kernel. new drivers,  ati may have removed support.. hard to tell
[22:16] <Dr_willis> i got one ati video system here.. so i dont keep up with ati any more
[22:16] <gridwest> Is there a linux application that will allow one to view .brd files?
[22:16] <Dr_willis> gridwest,  and whats a .brd file?
[22:16] <evilytwisted> has any of you played wow on ubuntu? or any blizzard games
[22:16] <chocolatedonuts> so from a little code diving it looks like the problem is that the dkms python file calls 'import apport'
[22:16] <Dr_willis> evilytwisted,  WoW can work in wine.
[22:16] <chocolatedonuts> and it's yelling that no such module exists
[22:16] <lolbat> http://pastebin.ca/2374433
[22:16] <chocolatedonuts> Not sure what I can do about that
[22:16] <lolbat> Does that look good?
[22:16] <evilytwisted> Dr_willis: i know it can.. reason why im asking .. i was playing it without a problem earlier.. till i got this error http://oi42.tinypic.com/1zpodx4.jpg
[22:17] <evilytwisted> would you know how to fix it?
[22:17] <chocolatedonuts> I just got an inexpensive Dell inspiron laptop, and I've been trying to follow the instructions here: (http://nwoki.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/multitouch-fix-for-alps-touchpad/) for setting up the touchpad to, um, actually function properly. Everything goes fine until I do dkms autoinstall, at which point it starts and then breaks with an error "Import error: No module named apport". Is there anything I can do? Google's not helping much.
[22:17] <Dr_willis> evilytwisted, id have to say - ask in #winehq
[22:17] <evilytwisted> IM asking them.. there not answering.
[22:17] <Dr_willis> theres the wine app database also
[22:17] <Dr_willis> and forums
[22:18] <gridwest> Dr_willis, give me a few mins
[22:20] <gridwest> Dr_willis, a .brd is a Printed Circuit Board or (PCB) layout file
[22:20] <Dr_willis> done an apt-cache search pcb       yet?
[22:20] <gridwest> No, I will try it
[22:22] <fffree> If anybody has a good recommendation for a new laptop that will work well with ubuntu around the £350-450 zone, I'd be happy to hear your suggestions... The EeePC just died on me. :-/
[22:22] <johnjohn1011> what is version of the catalyst driver on ubuntu 313.04?
[22:23] <gridwest> thanks Dr_willis, that gives me a lead to work from
[22:23] <Enders_> hey guys im trying to get samba set up and I'm having problems with permissions. I have the top level directory set up fine, users can write to it but another user can't read the files because they retain the user permissions. Is there a proper way to deal with that situation? before I copy paste a random script i found on the net to change permissions automatically when files are coppied to a directory...
[22:23] <kostkon> chocolatedonuts, apport is ubuntu's bug reporting system. make sure that python-apport is already installed
[22:24] <gridwest> it looks like there are a few options
[22:24] <xtacie> i keep getting stuck doing install of irssi. i guess the server isnt responding???
[22:24] <xtacie> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[22:24] <xtacie> 0% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com]
[22:24] <James_Epp> Which one should I believe and why is there such a huge difference? http://goo.gl/5C2TP
[22:25] <chocolatedonuts> kostkon: Aha, thanks. I didn't realize it had a python-specific package. Lemme try that.
[22:25] <F41L> Hey, I'm unable to have the setting of the unity bar's autohide reveal sensitivity to save. It continues to drop back to default, which makes it entirely too hard to unhide the unity bar with a touchpad. Any ideas?
[22:26] <chocolatedonuts> kostkon: alright, now it's exiting with 'binary package for psmouse: alps-1.3 not found'
[22:27] <kostkon> chocolatedonuts, hmm
[22:27] <James_Epp> F41L: I appear to be having the same result. No clue why :S
[22:28] <James_Epp> F41L: If I set mine, it keeps the setting, but nothing changes. I have a dual screen, what of you?
[22:28] <sayz> hello everyone
[22:28] <James_Epp> greetings ^.^
[22:29] <rag3> how do i compile/make 32 bit source in 64 bit system? i encounter file class ELFCLASS32 incompatible with ELFCLASS64
[22:33] <kostkon> chocolatedonuts, did you follow the instructions correctly. it seems that the line dkms add psmouse/alps-dst-0.x is wrong and you should be calling it like this:  dkms add psmouse-alps-dst-0.x
[22:33] <chocolatedonuts> kostkon: I'll try that, and see if that changes anything
[22:35] <chocolatedonuts> kostkon: it's throwing an error for invalid number of arguments passed, and says Usage: add <module>/<module-version>
[22:35] <kostkon> oh ok
[22:36] <Muny> Hi
[22:36] <Muny> Anyone here experienced with netcat?
[22:37] <kostkon> chocolatedonuts, are you giving the correct version to it, e.g. dkms add psmouse/alps-dst-0.4 ?
[22:38] <rtn> Hi I'm installing ubuntu 12.04 along side windows 7 though on 2 separate hard drives, so what device to i choose for bootloader installation?
[22:39] <Muny> Any reason for installing an older version?
[22:39] <rtn> umm its the LTS one
[22:39] <kostkon> Muny, 12.04 is lts
[22:39] <chocolatedonuts> kostkon: I think so. The one that I downloaded (and appears to be most up to date, from the comments) is 1.3, so I gave it sudo dkms add psmouse-alps-1.3
[22:40] <HenryTrollins> hi, can anyone recommend an OSS alternative for adobe encore? i want to author dvd menus and flowchart dvd strutuctures
[22:41] <Dr_willis> I tend to just use DeVeDe for my simple dvd video disk making needs
[22:41] <F41L> James_Epp: No, single screen (laptop)
[22:42] <HenryTrollins> Dr_willis: i'll check it out, thanks
[22:42] <Dr_willis> rtn,  you can put grub on the linux hd.. and set the bios to boot that hd. that way the windows HD will remain untouched
[22:42] <Dr_willis> HenryTrollins,  theres bound to be more advanced tools in the repos. i just dont use them
[22:43] <rtn> Dr_willis and then i set my primary boot HD to the linux one and grub will give an option to boot to win 7?
[22:43] <kostkon> chocolatedonuts, when you unzipped it, did you remember to rename the folder psmouse-alps-1.3-alt to psmouse-alps-1.3
[22:43] <chocolatedonuts> kostkon: Lemme see about that
[22:43] <Dr_willis> rtn,  yes. it scans the system and has a menu for eveyr os
[22:44] <HenryTrollins> Dr_willis: yeah, i've been googling around as well
[22:44] <chocolatedonuts> kostkon: Yeah, the folder's psmouse-alps-1.3
[22:44] <rtn> ok and just to be clear i put it on /sdb not /sdb1 right
[22:44] <Dr_willis> grub goes on the drive. :) not a partion.. so sdb  not sdb1
[22:45] <rtn> side note, i was reading about how swap space isnt necessary on systems with lots of memory, i have 12gb is the swap necessary?
[22:46] <wilee-nilee> rtn, To hibernate you want a swap equal to ram is all.
[22:46] <Dr_willis> or ram+ a little bit more.
[22:46] <rtn> ok thanks guys
[22:48] <master_op> what is the right sources.list line to install xcp-xapi in ubuntu 12.04 (precise)
[22:48] <master_op> thanks in advance
[22:49] <HenryTrollins> alright i found dvdauthor
[22:49] <HenryTrollins> that'll do
[22:49] <OerHeks> !info xcp-xapi
[22:51] <master_op> i don't understand what you mean OerHeks
[22:51] <OerHeks> master_o1_master, no need to ad sources, it is available
[22:51] <OerHeks> *add
[22:52] <master_op> after doing apt-get update ; apt-get install xcp-xapi i got this error : unable to locate package : xcp-xapi
[22:52] <moez> slt
[22:53] <master_op> thank you all, a stupid mistake : XCP-api instead of xcp-api
[22:53] <OerHeks> oh, capture :-(
[22:54] <johnjohn1011> that was it?
[23:00] <bazzer> silly question but when installing via preseed and using apt-cacher-ng how does one make the clients NOT reference the apt-cacher-ng in /etc/apt/sources.list after the install is done?
[23:01] <otend> where can I disable the ctrl-q key combination to close applications?
[23:03] <rtn> Dr_willis ok did what you said, but now my bios wont recognize the drive with linux as a boot option
[23:04] <chocolatedonuts> Hm
[23:06] <rtn> and when i force boot with this drive i get a black screen and blinking cursor
[23:06] <deijwel> t
[23:07] <Lenovo> hi
[23:07] <Lenovo> anyone can help me with php?
[23:09] <rtn> Lenovo whats your problem
[23:10] <Lenovo> rtn:  its okey if i ask by pivate message ?
[23:11] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset | rtn
[23:11] <Lenovo> well i can ask here any way, doesn't mattter
[23:11] <rtn> yea
[23:11] <wilee-nilee> rtn, YOU can text boot as well to see if there are any problems.
[23:11] <Lenovo> i have a php code that is to add questions and answers in order to make a poll
[23:12] <Lenovo> so my problem is how to read all the inputs that are going to be a lot of them
[23:12] <Lenovo> to add them to mysql
[23:12] <chocolatedonuts> I just got an inexpensive Dell inspiron laptop, and I've been trying to follow the instructions here: (http://nwoki.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/multitouch-fix-for-alps-touchpad/) for setting up the touchpad to, um, actually function properly. Everything goes fine until I do dkms autoinstall, at which point it starts and then it breaks with an error: "binary package for psmouse: alps-1.3 not found". Is there anything I can do? Google's not helping much.
[23:12] <rtn> wilee-nilee how to do that?
[23:12] <Lenovo> in a specific way
[23:12] <Lenovo>  i show you the code for a better comprension of the problem?
[23:13] <master_op> good night
[23:13] <rtn> lenovo, you just dont know how, or you have an error or something?
[23:13] <rtn> also #php might be a better place to ask than #ubuntu :-P
[23:13] <Lenovo> i do know how for a bounch of inputs, but the problem is how to do the same for a second bounch of inputs (question / answers)
[23:14] <Lenovo> i dont know how to parse the data with a while or so
[23:14] <Lenovo> i just dont find the way to solve the problem
[23:14] <rtn> foreach ($_POST as $input)
[23:15] <rtn> loop through the $_POST or $_GET array just like its any other array
[23:15] <Lenovo> yeah the problem is each post must be processed ina diferent way
[23:15] <wilee-nilee> rtn, How to do what?
[23:15] <rtn> remember its associative so ($_POST as $key => $value) also appropriate
[23:15] <rtn> wilee-nilee boot in text mode
[23:15] <wilee-nilee> !text | rtn
[23:16] <rtn> oh im not getting any menu where I can type commands
[23:16] <rtn> so that doesnt apply to me
[23:16] <wilee-nilee> rtn, I would try the nomodeset option, you may just need graphic drivers.
[23:17] <rtn> ironically i had this working yesterday and i think i chose the win7 loader partition as my boot loader device and everything was working wonderfully
[23:17] <Ghost_562> ello kiddies
[23:18] <Lenovo> how to read just the post with a specific names? like  q1,q2,q3,q4.... q*
[23:18] <Lenovo> i want read just the question post's
[23:18] <Fr0z3N_Shadow> hello folks
[23:18] <chocolatedonuts> Fr0z3N_Shadow: Hi
[23:19] <rtn> lenovo pastebin your code or something
[23:19] <Fr0z3N_Shadow> I got some problems to connect to IRC srvrs Using VPN :( lol
[23:19] <wilee-nilee> rtn, If grub has not seen W7 it will not show without the shift key at powering on.
[23:21] <rtn> k tried booting holding shift, nothing happens still black screen with cursor
[23:23] <wilee-nilee> rtn, Easiest way to look at this is with the bootinfo summary in the bootrepair tool being run, post the url. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair  Also please use nicks. ;)
[23:25] <aaas> i want to record a live stream every week ( a schedule), anyone got any good all-in-one solutions so I don't have to make some cron,ffmpeg/mplayer script?
[23:29] <Ghost_562> chat seems slow today eh>
[23:29] <Ghost_562> eh?*
[23:30] <rtn> wilee-nilee i think my problem isnt with the graphics its with grub
[23:30] <rtn> or just something at boot
[23:31] <wilee-nilee> rtn, Okay you want us to guess then?
[23:32] <wilee-nilee> seems possessed, get an exorcist. ;)
[23:32] <funky> hey guys whats the easiest way to put tons of simple commands in one file so when I run it all commands are executed?
[23:32] <rtn> anybody's guess is better than mine haha
[23:32] <funky> cool
[23:32] <funky> :)
[23:33] <Dr_willis> funky,  thats just a simple script
[23:33] <tonsofpcs> anyone know of a ppa or package that I can use to get qt3 , qt3-dev, libqt3-* on 13.04?
[23:33] <Dr_willis> !abs
[23:33] <rtn> i'll reinstall and try the win7 loader as my boot loading device again
[23:33] <tonsofpcs> did not know, cool abs :)
[23:33] <tonsofpcs> did not know, cool abs :)
[23:33] <^Pangolin^> hola
[23:33] <Dr_willis> funky,  first line #!/bin/bash    then one command per line after that.
[23:33] <tonsofpcs> bonjour
[23:33] <shankstaBytes> when will launchpad have ppas setup for 13.04?
[23:33] <wilee-nilee> rtn, The bootinfo script goes a long way past guessing.
[23:33] <rtn> but how can i use it without getting into linux?
[23:34] <rtn> my ubuntu won't boot after all
[23:34] <wilee-nilee> rtn, W7 wont boot ubuntu unless it is a wubi, esaybcd will though, but it has to be bootable basically.
[23:35] <shankstaBytes> https://launchpad.net/~pcf/+archive/miro-releases
[23:35] <shankstaBytes> this is what im talking about
[23:35] <shankstaBytes> i want the new miro
[23:35] <shankstaBytes> but it doesn't work with 13.04
[23:35] <rtn> wilee-nilee last time thats what i chose and it gave me the grub menu at boot
[23:35] <wilee-nilee> rtn, This a install of ubuntu from windows?
[23:36] <rtn> no, install from cd on a separate hdd than windows
[23:36] <wilee-nilee> uefi?
[23:36] <rtn> yes the mobo is uefi
[23:37] <wilee-nilee> rtn, Ah did you mention that at all in any of your posts?
[23:37] <rtn> i didnt know it was relevant
[23:37] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | rtn heavily relevant
[23:37] <airtonix_> rtn: everything is relevant... every...thing
[23:38] <Ghost_562> .
[23:38]  * airtonix_ whispers: everything
[23:38] <wilee-nilee> speak up sonny
[23:40] <shankstaBytes> i hate uefi
[23:41] <chocolatedonuts> I just got an inexpensive Dell inspiron laptop, and I've been trying to follow the instructions here: (http://nwoki.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/multitouch-fix-for-alps-touchpad/) for setting up the touchpad to, um, actually function properly. Everything goes fine until I do dkms autoinstall, at which point it starts and then it breaks with an error: "binary package for psmouse: alps-1.3 not found". Is there anything I can do? Google's not helping much.
[23:41] <shankstaBytes> chocolatedonuts: have you looked for a newer version of that package?
[23:42] <shankstaBytes> apt-cache search <package-name>
[23:48] <hemangpatel> I want to try ubuntu but do i install non-lts or lts ?
[23:49] <wilee-nilee> hemangpatel, Decide from trying it out for yourself, lts just means longer support.
[23:49] <hemangpatel> wilee-nilee : which type of support ?
[23:50] <wilee-nilee> !support
[23:50] <chocolatedonuts> shankstabytes: The package isn't in the repos
[23:50] <chocolatedonuts> But without it the mousepad isn't registering properly
[23:50] <Ghost_562> !lts
[23:51] <Ghost_562> i think thats what you meant.
[23:51] <lez> Hi. I want to mod my boot image with Grub2 but I cant paste a .tga file into the Files System why? Thanks.
[23:52] <wilee-nilee> lez, here is one grub manual. https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html
[23:52] <lez> wilee-nilee, Thanks Ill have a look!
[23:54] <lez> wilee-nilee, And how can I access my Boot folder to paste a file.
[23:54] <hemangpatel> Yes, I know full form. But, Which type of support ? Any example ?
[23:55] <wilee-nilee> lez, I have not messed with images in grub, so I can only read it like you. There is an old grub images thread at the ubuntu forum that might have some info.
[23:56] <Dr_willis> lez,  you have to modify system dirs with root rights via sudo.
[23:56] <lez> wilee-nilee, I have installed Grub 2 GUI so its real easy to mod but I just need to get to the file in the boot folder or other system folder!
[23:56] <Dr_willis> sudo cp file /boot/whatever/
[23:57] <lez> Dr_willis, Ill try thanks
[23:57] <wilee-nilee> hemangpatel, Like any other OS purveyor whether MS..etc there is an end of life that means you will not get standard support from repos or these channels or forums unless someone feels sorry for you.
[23:57] <wilee-nilee> !eol | hemangpatel
[23:58] <hemangpatel> wilee-nilee: hmm.. I'm downloading 13.04 64 bit :)
[23:58] <hemangpatel> For my new laptop
[23:59] <wilee-nilee> hemangpatel, This a W8 loaded laptop?
[23:59] <hemangpatel> wilee-nilee : yes
[23:59] <hemangpatel> why ?
[23:59] <hemangpatel> i want dual boot
[23:59] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | hemangpatel YOu want to aware of this.


[10:33] <hishamnajam> Any body home??
[10:34] <hishamnajam> Congrat Nythain
[16:47] <Ultimus>  have I got this right: you don't need Firestarter because iptables already works in the background. Firestarter is kind of a display for the iptables?
[16:48] <DasEi> Ultimus: firestarter is a grafical util to configure iptables, the build-in fw is ufw
[16:49] <DasEi> also fstarter offers some more options, like internet-connection sharing
[16:50] <Ultimus> but does iptables do anything if you dont install firestarter
[16:50] <DasEi> not unless u specifify sth in it's config
[16:51] <Ultimus> ok
[16:51] <DasEi> if you want a very basic fw, in terminal do : sudo ufw enable
[16:52] <Ultimus> but I already have firestarter, although I havent changed any config since I installed it, does it mean a could rather be without it
[16:53] <DasEi> firestarter configures iptables, too and is more xetendend then ufw
[16:54] <Ultimus> you mean by itself
[21:52] <et3> I need to learn some packaging techniques
[21:53] <jpds> !packaging | et3
[21:54] <jpds> et3: And try #ubuntu-motu instead.
[21:54] <et3> jpds:  thank you