[07:42] <sakrecoer> thanks zequence ! so i can just go on and create an 'asset' folder in there?
[07:42] <sakrecoer> 'assests' even :)
[07:44] <sakrecoer> seems all changes in the seed are accomplished, except for the wacom- and studio-controls..
[07:44] <sakrecoer> maybe you can go on and upload, zequence ? so we can test the new packages, zequence ?
[07:45] <sakrecoer> sorry, typing from phone, forgot i aledÃ¤ady typed your name
[07:47] <sakrecoer> i will be very much offline until friday guys.. sorry about that.. but i will check in sporadicaly everyday.
[18:57] <zequence> sakrecoer: I will upload, but I need to fix a Ubuntu dev system first. Seems when I do it from Debian (even when it is just about uploading a few files) it raises some eyebrows
[18:58] <zequence> And, that also explains how little I know about why that matters!
[18:58] <zequence> Probably very little, but for some - a lot more than it does for me!


[18:58] <dhillonv10> hi all, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Tasks the bugs to be fixed link doesn't link to the bug tracker, can one of the wiki admins have a look at it?
[18:59] <dhillonv10> its a trivial change, the link needs to be updated, that is all, i'm not a wiki admin so i can't fx it myself :)
[19:24] <MrChrisDruif> "Ubuntu Documentation must be configured in order for Launchpad to forward bugs to the project's developers."
[19:36] <dhillonv10> yea that's not the correct page for ubuntu docs package
[19:51] <dhillonv10> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs
[19:51] <dhillonv10> that's the correct link
[19:57] <jbicha> dhillonv10: you should just be able to use your Launchpad account to login and correct things like that on the wiki
[19:59] <dhillonv10> jbicha: i thought i needed admin previledges
[19:59] <dhillonv10> it has been fixed.
[20:01] <jbicha> dhillonv10: thanks!


[23:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lz4 [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.0~r131-2ubuntu3]
[23:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted speex [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.2~rc1.2-1ubuntu2]
[23:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted phasex [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.14.97-2build2]
[23:31] <krytarik> Please numlockx too then.
[23:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted software-properties [source] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[23:35] <slangasek> krytarik: didn't fix this script to use $PATH instead, per policy?
[23:36] <slangasek> (accepted)
[23:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted numlockx [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.2-7ubuntu1]
[23:36] <krytarik> Well, it could be done much better generally, yeah.


[01:34] <wxl> @tsimonq2: how's bisecting the kernel panic coming along?
[01:36] <guiverc2> i'm not getting a response from lubuntu.me; this is known I assume
[01:37] <wxl> yeah
[01:39] <wxl> @kc2bez: your cala is finally uploaded
 \o/
 Thanks wxl
[01:42] <wxl> now hopefully the darn thing builds unlike lubuntu-default-settings ugh
 It built for me. It has been building in stable CI for a while too.
 I'll keep an eye on it though.
[01:44] <wxl> yeah well settings did for me too ugh
 :(
[01:44] <wxl> is settings in CI?
[01:44] <wxl> i wonder if it built there
 CI ?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: how's bisecting the kernel panic coming along?], I haven't been able to set my machine down for long enough to keep it going, but it's started
 Not sure if it didn't build.
[01:56] <wxl> cala looks to have built in everywhere that matters XD
 Nice!  XD
[02:28] <tsimonq2> ?
[02:28] <tsimonq2> Nope XD
[02:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGINGa43cb567adf0: Package for new upstream release.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGINGa43cb567adf0
[02:45] <wxl> tsimonq2: i don't think that's it unfortunately. it's giving me an out-of-date-standards-version warning that goes back to 2018
[02:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: ?
[02:45] <tsimonq2> Don't pay attention to that.
[02:45] <tsimonq2> That's a warning, ignore it.
[02:45] <wxl> ok
[02:45] <tsimonq2> yeah
[02:45]  * wxl bites fingernails off
[02:45] <tsimonq2> Anything else, dear? :)
[02:45] <wxl> and now i just upload this?
[02:46] <tsimonq2> yes
[02:47] <wxl> if that does the trick i'm good. just get that bisect done asap
[02:47] <wxl> ugh rejected
[02:48] <wxl> File lubuntu-default-settings_19.10.1.tar.xz already exists in Primary Archive for Ubuntu, but uploaded version has
[02:48] <wxl> +different contents.
[02:48] <tsimonq2> oh
[02:48] <tsimonq2> so
[02:48] <tsimonq2> New changelog entry.
[02:48] <wxl> no change rebuild?
[02:50] <tsimonq2> no
[02:50] <tsimonq2> You made changes
[02:50] <wxl> "adding back trnaslations?"
[02:50] <wxl> i have to make a new version number, eh?
[02:52] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[02:52] <tsimonq2> Versions are cheap.
[02:56] <wxl> phew made it
[02:57] <wxl> now i just need to know how to keep an eye on that before it happens
[03:02] <wxl> darn i should have put that override in there
[05:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcffbd57f75f2: Add featherpad find/replace screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcffbd57f75f2
[06:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcf42570acc22: Add how to leave fullscreen] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcf42570acc22
[06:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALec9a1663ba7b: Fix menubar styling] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALec9a1663ba7b
[06:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbbb24fcd4033: Add note about firefox in quicklaunch] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbbb24fcd4033
[06:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5378d2392b28: Add how to launch pcmanfm-qt from quick launch] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5378d2392b28
[06:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALde95356b337a: Add new way to open a new tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALde95356b337a
[06:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6ccada01e1c5: Add another way to open a new tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6ccada01e1c5
 ??? where did does .po came from? I didn't change that.
 anyway, I recieved the .desktop in xdg I added to default-settings in todays update.
 wxl ^
 bye bye i396 … https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2019-June/000245.html
[16:03] <teward> took a while lol
[17:40] <wxl> OOOH I MISSED THIS i386 IS DEAD https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2019-June/000245.html
 Wxl are you in?
[18:48] <wxl> @HMollerCl am now
 the .desktop I included in default-settings update landed in my system
 wxl: and I don't get those .po files that appear
[18:56] <wxl> as they're translations i wouldn't necessarily expect it
 I didn't touch that.
[18:56] <wxl> i know
[18:57] <wxl> phab didn't change at all
[18:57] <wxl> but somehow the ubuntu archive did
[18:57] <wxl> it's very strange
[18:57] <wxl> point being: it's not your fault
 ok, thanks
 WHat about the seed?
 network-monitor-gnome needs to be in seed before we change the network-editor
[19:02] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i landed a seed change..  what does it take to make that active?
[19:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: Which change in particular?
[19:08] <wxl> @tsimonq2: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEEDaf3d2c7f3ea1c1375b29ec81e806fb3bf6596170
[19:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: Update lubuntu-meta maybe?
 @kc2bez: I guess it's not a kernel issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1829805/comments/10
[19:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL52b2bb60aa70: Add bookmarks toolbar] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL52b2bb60aa70
 @tsimonq2 [@kc2bez: I guess it's not a kernel issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sou …], Thanks for the update. I will give it a look later.
[19:19] <TJ-> Dropped in to help with bug #1829805
[19:20] <wxl> thanks TJ- !
[19:21] <TJ-> was chatting to tsimonq2 in #ubuntu-kernel but it looks like an initramfs issue
[19:33] <wxl> @tsimonq2: is updating meta just a matter of running that update script and committing?
[19:37] <wxl> @teward001 do you know where "white_listed_spam_host_domains" is defined on discourse? we need to add github and launchpad
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: is updating meta just a matter of running that update script an …], Clone it, run the update script, spot check the changelog, dch -r, upload
[19:38] <TJ-> tsimonq2: are these failures using BIOS or UEFI boot mode, do you know?
 @TJ- [<TJ-> tsimonq2: are these failures using BIOS or UEFI boot mode, do you know?], Yes
 (both)
[19:40] <wxl> @HMollerCl: if you follow tsimonq2's instructions above about updating meta, that will get your seed fix completed. we should probably add something to the seed readme to suggest people do this concurrently https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-meta/
[19:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa9a2aed57ecb: Add firefox show downloads window] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa9a2aed57ecb
[19:42] <TJ-> great! needs 8GB to install
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl: if you follow tsimonq2's instructions above about updating met …], ok, wil do when I'm note behind a proxy that kills ssh
[19:47] <TJ-> tsimonq2: do you know if this is an encrypted or unencrypted install?
[19:48] <wxl> TJ-: either
[19:48] <wxl> (both)
[19:48] <TJ-> thanks
[19:49] <TJ-> Glad I managed to offload some the space-hugging directories on this system into an external SD-card! Only has 128G of eMMC. Added 256G SD-card and using systemd automounts to mount-on-demand LVs per directory
[19:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5aab7d9b4c6b: Add keyboard shortcut to reload tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5aab7d9b4c6b
 wxl: trojita crash sometimes when sorting with "Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
 I believe that is a known bug or not?
[19:54] <wxl> yes
[20:02] <wxl> did you check the hashes of your iso?
[20:02] <wxl> iios
[20:02] <wxl> 'oops
[20:04] <TJ-> tsimonq2: from a serial console on the installed eaon:
[20:04] <TJ-> [    1.571366] VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0): error -6
[20:04] <TJ-> [    1.574123] Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions:
 wat?
[20:06] <TJ-> tsimonq2: is lubuntu using initramfs-tools? because break=top fails to stop it; not switched to dracut has it?
 Still initramfs-tools, yeah
 Apologies if I start to become distant for the rest of the night. I'm taking summer classes at college :)
[20:09] <TJ-> tsimonq2: that's OK; I'll drop into the installed image from a loopdev now and see what it is up to
[20:09] <TJ-> tsimonq2: I'll add comments/findings to the bug report
 Thanks
[20:12] <TJ-> tsimonq2: solved. The installer failed to build an initrd.img
[20:12] <TJ-> tsimonq2: there are symlinks but no actual initrd.img=$VERSION files in /boot/ (or anywhere else in the file-system)
 huh.
[20:23] <TJ-> tsimonq2: I'll diagnose the installer now; report back on what I find
 Fwd from Lubuntu Announcements: Goodbye forever, i386 … Packages will no longer be built for i386 in Ubuntu. See our Discourse post for more information: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/goodbye-forever-i386/108 … The original announcement about dropping i386 this past December, as nobody stepped up to help test: https://lubuntu.me
 @TJ- [<TJ-> tsimonq2: I'll diagnose the installer now; report back on what I find], Much appreciated
[20:40] <TJ-> tsimonq2: solved; updating bug report
 You are amazing :)
 Thank you!
[20:46] <TJ-> tsimonq2: report added to bug
 Thanks!
 TJ-: Out of curiosity, is that a guess or a tested solution?
 It looks right, just want to make sure it's 100% it
[20:52] <TJ-> tsimonq2: not tested; but logically it all matches. I have no idea how to even go about working with calameres!
 ok :)
 Let's try it, heh.
[20:52] <TJ-> tsimonq2: I could check on those dpkg-divert's and wrap them to prove it if you want
[20:53]  * TJ- is confident due to the README calling out Debian installs specifically
 Sure. For reference TJ-, you can test that change by editing `/etc/calamares/settings.conf` and (re)starting Calamares
[20:53] <TJ-> tsimonq2: OK, I'll do that
 Thanks!
[21:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL08fe346cf54e: Add open in new private window] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL08fe346cf54e
 wxl @kc2bez: Please review: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D14
[21:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Move the initramfs module down past the bootloader.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D14
 I don't quite have the bandwidth at the moment to test and upload.
[21:11] <TJ-> tsimonq2: I cannot see your change which I assume is to address this calamares issue, but I'm pretty certain it won't be sufficient based on my investigation so far. I'm just about to test a fix that should work, though
 ok
 Now you can see it :)
[21:23] <TJ-> tsimonq2: no, that won't solve it. Reason: currently "packages" removes the live-* packages (and others, more of that later) so 'packages' needs to be before the initramfs modules BUT 'packages' includes removal of calameres itself, which removes the /etc/calamares/ directory which causes it to fail because the initramfs module/conf is then missing.
[21:25] <TJ-> tsimonq2: !! so !! what I'm testing is creating a new id "remove_calamares" with "module: packages" "config: remove_calamares", reordering the initramfs* after "packages" and then adding "remove_calamares" after those. Then, I've removed calamares* from modules/packages.conf and put it alone in modules/remove_calamares.conf
 Nice work!
 Do you have an account on Phabricator to be able to propose your changes after they're done?
 phab.lubuntu.me
[21:26] <TJ-> tsimonq2: unfortunately I don't think I've quite got the hang of calamares because on re-running the installed it complains it cannot find remove_calamares - i thought that was due to there not being a module of that name but the "id: remove_calamares" ought to work
[21:26] <TJ-> tsimonq2: no I don't
 Can I get a pastebin of the current settings.conf you have?
[21:28] <TJ-> tsimonq2: I'll try to get a diff; I'm working in a serial console of the VM to do this
 Thanks!
[21:36] <TJ-> s
[22:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL305a7f6f7061: Add quassel prefrences interface screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL305a7f6f7061
 Approved, TJ-
[22:03] <TJ-> tsimonq2: huh?
 You created an account on Phabricator
 I had to approve it
 Which is done :)
[22:03] <TJ-> teward: oh!! thought you were on about a phantom patch!
[22:03] <TJ-> oops, tab complete
[22:03] <TJ-> tsimonq2: ^^
 haha :)
 We like throwing things at teward anyway XD
[22:04] <TJ-> took me a while to get the hang of calamares module@instance syntax
 ahh :)
[22:05] <TJ-> now I have to sit patiently and await the email; my mail server imposes a 5 minute greylisting so hope the lubuntu server resends quickly
 @teward001 ^
 He also set up our mail server for that :P
[22:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL10f23709f089: Add /me to Quassel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL10f23709f089
[22:10] <TJ-> tsimonq2: darn, the moving order still doesn't seem to have done the job even though /target/var/log/installer/debug shows the jobs ran in the correct order, I need to dig more
 ack
[22:16] <TJ-> tsimonq2: OK, I've found the problem. From that README warning I presume one of the live-* packages does a dpkg-divert of /ust/sbin/update-initramfs ... those packages get purged, but they've left being the diversion and do the file actually is a shell script that does nothing
[22:16] <TJ-> echo "update-initramfs is disabled since running on read-only media"
[22:19] <TJ-> tsimonq2: OK... so there are no live-* packages installed, so that diversion is coming from somewhere else
 That's always confused me, because you're exactly right
[22:23] <TJ-> tsimonq2: ahhh... it's coming from the squashfs itself, since it is copied across!
[22:24] <TJ-> tsimonq2: so all we need is a one-liner shell callout to remove the diversion before calling the initramfs job
 Ahhh :)
[22:39] <TJ-> Testing again now
[23:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2417ec2a731b: Add Quassel chat view colors screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2417ec2a731b
[23:11] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i'm confused. is your fix legit or not? i take it from the above the answer is no
 Scrolling through I think you are right wxl
[23:13] <TJ-> wxl: for update-initramfs? no it isn't
[23:13] <TJ-> wxl: I'm about done with a correct fix but been making some silly mistakes working inside the live env due to tiredness
[23:13] <wxl> TJ-: so i'll go ahead and reject https://phab.lubuntu.me/D14 then :)
[23:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Move the initramfs module down past the bootloader.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D14
[23:14] <TJ-> wxl: Yes
[23:14] <wxl> i'm going to have to play with the serial console on the vm. that's a cool idea i've never bothered with.
 Same here. Thanks for your help btw TJ
[23:15] <TJ-> wxl: at boot time, hit the syslinux F6 to edit the boot command, hit Esc to dismiss the sub-menu and edit the command line directly. Towards the end you need to add options either side of the "---"  so it looks like: "console=ttyS0 console=tty0 --- console=ttyS0 console=tty0" then hit Enter to boot
[23:16] <wxl> nice!
[23:16] <TJ-> wxl: the reason for repeating either side of "---" is: those before it are used for the live boot, those after are added to the *installed* system's kernel via GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub
[23:17] <wxl> learning something new.. alright!
[23:17] <TJ-> console=ttyS0 comes first because that is the one the kernel will expect input from; tty0 will be read-only
[23:18] <TJ-> if you're using libvirt/virt-manager GUI, the View > Text Consoles menu will take you to the serial consoles. You may need to tap a key to wake the guest up to draw a login: prompt there
[23:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2a58366bd5f1: Update qpdfview graphics screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2a58366bd5f1
[23:21] <TJ-> you don't really need it for this though; from the live just do "apt install openssh-server" and then connect via SSH from host to guest
[23:23] <TJ-> serial console is handy for working in the initramfs (when it works!) and being able to copy/paste text
[23:27] <TJ-> grr, no wonder I couldn't find the emails... procmail filter on .*ubuntu was moving lubuntu@ to a folder I wasn't checking!
[23:28] <wxl> oops
[23:37] <TJ-> wow, looks like I've been totally wrong! It isn't a fake update-initramfs at all, it is perfectly fine, but it isn't finding any installed kernels!
[23:37] <TJ-> that was not what I was expecting
[23:37] <TJ-> if so, it looks like a problem in initramfs-tools itself
[23:44] <wxl> this is such a bizarre situation. it just sort of cropped up out of nowhere. no changes to calamares or settings or anything. it certainly, to me suggests some sort of core issue
[23:54] <wxl> oh my things are getting heated on the ubuntu discourse re: 32-bit
 the main one?
[23:55] <wxl> yep
[23:55] <kc2bez> The Internet has exploded.


[11:29] <cjwatson> dear CIA, stop being made out of cheese
[11:54] <TheMuso> heh
[14:03] <davmor2> cjwatson: on netboot mini.iso why is there just a blank screen with boot:  and no info and then the next page displays stuff?#
[14:28] <cjwatson> davmor2: netboot doesn't have gfxboot, so it's the old-style syslinux prompt
[14:28] <cjwatson> iz normal
[14:29] <davmor2> cjwatson: That's cool then it's just the next page looks remarkably like the gfxboot which is what was throwing me :)
[14:30] <cjwatson> oh, hmm, there is some kind of bug there
[14:30] <cjwatson> it's not gfxboot, but it is supposed to proceed directly to that next page
[14:30] <cjwatson> bug on debian-installer please?
[14:30] <davmor2> cjwatson: np's
[14:30] <cjwatson> sorry, had to look at it before I realised what you meant
[14:35] <davmor2> no worries :)
[14:45] <davmor2> cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/271355 is that okay for you
[14:47] <cjwatson> that's fine, thanks
[14:47] <davmor2> np's
[14:47] <cjwatson> edited the title slightly
[15:24] <persia> cjwatson: I was tracking down issues with the lpia alternate installer today, and noticed that the platform.intrepid seeds had no mention of lpia at all.  Would adding that be considered too invasive for intrepid, or is it something worth pursuing?  I have a branch, but it doesn't work due to some kernel issues.  Clearly, this would be post-Alpha.
[15:38] <davmor2> cjwatson: no usplash on edubuntu at all :-/
[15:43] <davmor2> cjwatson: just checked edubuntu-artwark-usplash is installed
[15:46] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/271376
[16:07] <cjwatson> persia: should be fine for intrepid; I'm happy to look at a branch
[16:08] <persia> cjwatson: lp:~persia/ubuntu-seeds/platform.intrepid : it waits on resolution of linux-meta for lpia, but that ought be sorted within 24 hours.
[16:09] <persia> Once I get the kernel all sorted, I'll open a branch merge request, if the contents appear acceptable.
[16:16] <davmor2> cjwatson: build on kubuntu 17.3 manifest date still reads differently to the rest :(
[16:16] <davmor2> 17.4 even
[16:16] <cjwatson> "reads differently"?
[16:20] <davmor2> cjwatson: does it still have 17.1's info on the cdimages server?  http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/intrepid/kubuntu/latest/livecd-20080917.1-i386.out still lists errors on build but is 17.1 not 17.4
[16:39] <bdmurray> I'm testing the alternate installer (entire disk w/ encryption) and was asked if I wanted an encrypted private directory.
[16:40] <bdmurray> Is that redundant at all?
[16:40] <persia> bdmurray: That's for extra encryption :)  It does encryption two different ways, so compromise of the disk PW doesn't compromise the private directory.
[16:40] <persia> (and maybe it's redundant)  kirkland?  ^^
[16:41] <bdmurray> persia: I realize its different but wasn't sure if it made sense.
[16:41] <kirkland> bdmurray: i use both LVM and Encrypted Private
[16:41] <kirkland> bdmurray: here's why.....
[16:41] <kirkland> bdmurray: encrypted LVM happens to the whole disk
[16:41] <bdmurray> because you are paranoid?
[16:42] <kirkland> bdmurray: that too :-)
[16:42] <kirkland> bdmurray: the LVM is encrypted with a single key for the whole system
[16:42] <kirkland> bdmurray: however, with Encrypted Private, each user on the system will have a different key for their encrypted Private dir
[16:43] <kirkland> bdmurray: and furthermore, you can incremently rsync the encrypted data in ~/.Private to offsite storage
[16:43] <kirkland> bdmurray: you can't do that with the underlying encrypted LVM block device
[16:43] <kirkland> bdmurray: does that help?
[16:44] <kirkland> persia: thanks for the alerty
[16:44] <bdmurray> kirkland: yes, it just seemed like a very small group of people that would want that but it *is* the alternate installer
[16:44] <kirkland> bdmurray: alternative lifestyles ;-)
[16:44] <persia> kirkland: No problem.  I thought you'd be the best person to explain it :)
[16:44] <kirkland> persia: cheers
[16:45] <persia> And actually, you can do it with underlying encrypted LVM partitions, but pam_mount is *exceedingly* painful to use as currently implemente.
[16:56] <kirkland> persia: yeah, i grew very, very aggravated with pam_mount
[16:57] <cjwatson> davmor2: I think Riddell is working on that
[16:57] <cjwatson> davmor2: cf. #ubuntu-devel scrollback
[16:57] <persia> kirkland: Indeed.  I like the idea, but the way it works is just frustrating.  I'm very much looking forward to an alternate means of encrypting home directories (and .Private isn't quite enough for me: I'd rather deal with pam_mount)
[16:58] <persia> Anyway: probably off-topic for -installer :)
[16:58] <davmor2> cjwatson: cool :)
[17:05] <cjwatson> persia: that diff looks mostly fine to me. Do you really need gptsync-udeb?
[17:06] <persia> cjwatson: I'm not sure.  Depends on what sort of hardware is implemented using those chips.  To date it's been mostly small stuff, but I'd not be surprised if someone implemented an EFI-based solution.
[17:06] <persia> Also, please don't apply it now: it will break because there is no linux-lpia package.
[17:07] <cjwatson> what will it break? missing items in seeds are generally ignored
[17:07] <persia> Oh.  I thought it would break the image builds.  If missing items are ignored, then it can be merged now.
[17:08] <cjwatson> missing items in *metapackages*, not so much, but there's no metapackage for boot and the seed->metapackage translator checks existence anyway
[17:08] <cjwatson> ok, I'll merge it now then
[17:08] <cjwatson> done
[17:08] <persia> Thank you.
[17:09] <persia> If you have time, I have another couple questions about seeds?  Also, would this be the appropriate forum?
[17:10] <cjwatson> #ubuntu-devel might benefit from the experience
[17:10] <cjwatson> but this is fine if you want more quietude :)
[17:16] <bdmurray> I'm was trying to install the kubuntu alternate iso and it failed due to an unmet dep for landscape-client and landscape-common
[17:17] <bdmurray> it was the 20080917.1 image
[17:17] <cjwatson> known, see #ubuntu-devel; Riddell and slangasek were sorting that out
[17:17] <bdmurray> okay, thanks I'll try the newer one
[17:17] <cjwatson> .2 looks fixed
[21:18] <xivulon> evand can you please check the umenu version on CD?
[21:25] <davmor2> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/271467  Bad news guys
[21:25] <davmor2> good news is that oem install worked :)
[21:29] <xivulon> evand we still have the old version (8.04 in the CD) that will fail to recognize the CD, umenu should be rev 32
[21:30] <evand> noted, I'll fix that for the next CD build
[21:32] <xivulon> I'll assign 271467 to you then
[21:33] <xivulon> hem 258045
[21:38] <davmor2> evand: is this a known bug http://www.davmor2.co.uk/install1.png
[21:40] <superm1> neat! i didn't realize Ubuntu installs were getting so small these days that they actually "gave" you space :)
[21:42] <davmor2> superm1: yes it's a special for mobile devices that have small ssd drives to give you max space :D
[21:43] <evand> davmor2: no, it's not known.  Can you please file a bug and attach that screenshot?  Thanks!
[21:43] <evand> haha
[21:43] <davmor2> evand: np's
[21:44] <davmor2> evand: just against ubiquity?
[21:44] <evand> indeed
[21:51] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/271512
[21:51] <davmor2> it gets funnier when you select use entire partition
[21:54] <evand> Can you please attach logs (/var/log/installer/debug, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman) to that report
[21:56] <davmor2> I did a entire disc install on the next on I'll do an auto resize and take the log from that if that is okay?
[21:57] <evand> provided it gives you the same UI glitch, yes
[22:00] <davmor2> evand: gives it every time without fail :)
[22:01] <evand> uh, good? ;)
[22:03] <davmor2> evand: the ui goes a bit loopy too when you select entire disc but I'll throw that on my server and see if it needs a separate bug
[22:04] <evand> ok
[22:07] <davmor2> brb
[22:23] <davmor2> evand: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/install1.png is what you get when you hit use entire disk
[22:24] <evand> mm, fun.  Can you please attach that as well?
[22:24] <davmor2> same bug?
[22:27] <evand> yes
[22:27] <davmor2> no probs
[22:27] <davmor2> there's another fun 1 I'll add as well :)
[22:33] <davmor2> evand updated I'll add the log files as soon as it finishes the install
[22:48] <davmor2> evand: add everything but lp goes down in 13 minutes
[22:48] <davmor2> I've added syslog casper.log and partman there was nothing else was there?
[22:49] <davmor2> evand: ^
[22:51] <evand> debug
[22:51] <evand>  /var/log/installer/debug
[22:51] <evand> if present
[22:52] <davmor2> check it on reboot 2 ticks
[22:54] <davmor2> evand no debug there
[22:55] <davmor2> right bed