[02:28] <shadeslayer> xnox: when you say "pre empt the desktop" I'm assuming that you're loading the full desktop behind the scenes, I don't think that's a good idea, because on low end systems there might be enough memory for just one of them
[02:28] <shadeslayer> ( I've seen this issue crop up in a derivative )
[02:29] <shadeslayer> so you can try out the live system and then reboot and just directly installed, everything will still work post install, but atleast you can install
[02:29] <shadeslayer> when you load the desktop *and* ubiquity, you might not have enough memory for ubiquity to complete
[02:29] <shadeslayer> *and just directly install
[02:38] <valorie> shadeslayer: have you seen the little vid in http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2013/05/quick-update-on-vivaldi-hardware.html ?
[02:40] <shadeslayer> yep
[02:42]  * shadeslayer is looking at the Canonical IP rights policy
[02:47] <shadeslayer> /o\
[02:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/Matt-Smith-to-leave-Doctor-Who
[02:58] <valorie> wth!
[02:58] <valorie> although the final ep had me wondering about that

[03:01] <shadeslayer> Doesn't the doctor die in S6
[03:01] <shadeslayer> when he's killed by that astronaut ...
[03:02] <shadeslayer> at the age of 1100 something

[03:05] <valorie> sure, and I wonder how they are going to tie all that in, since.....
[03:06] <valorie> well, fiery funeral, lets just say that
[03:06] <shadeslayer> yeah
[03:07] <valorie> how did you do that spoiler?
[03:07] <valorie> shadeslayer is so leet
[03:07] <shadeslayer> you set the background and text to black in quassel
[03:08] <shadeslayer> with the arrow thingy near the text box
[03:08] <valorie> I guess that's possible in konvi as well
[03:08] <shadeslayer> probably
[03:09] <valorie> have you seen the end of this season yet?
[03:10] <shadeslayer> I've watched all of S7
[03:10] <shadeslayer> I'm watching it backwards
[03:10] <shadeslayer> S7, now S6
[03:10] <valorie> ok
[03:10] <shadeslayer> it's equally confusing at times :P
[03:10] <valorie> in true time traveler fashion
[03:10] <shadeslayer> yep
[03:10] <shadeslayer> ;)
[03:11] <valorie> I've watched all the eps since the reboot
[03:11] <valorie> now I've started with the first doctor back in the 60s
[03:11] <shadeslayer> S4 has matt smith as well right?
[03:11] <shadeslayer> hm, nope
[03:15] <valorie> ah, David Tennant
[03:15] <valorie> perhaps my favorite doctor
[03:15] <valorie> we'll see
[03:15] <shadeslayer> oh also, S6 now ties in nicely with S7
[03:15] <shadeslayer> the ending of S7
[03:16] <valorie> yes, they pay a lot of attention to the past
[03:16] <shadeslayer> yeah, just realized this
[03:16] <valorie> the more old stuff you see, the more interesting the new stuff is
[03:16] <shadeslayer> :D
[03:28] <ahoneybun> hello
[03:32] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping
[03:33] <valorie> pong
[03:35] <ahoneybun> cool
[03:35] <ahoneybun> I see jesse has joined us
[03:36] <valorie> yep, I think he's been doing the docs for the longest
[03:36] <valorie> having he and Darkwing work on the docbook part will be excellent
[03:38] <ahoneybun> for sure such experts
[03:41] <ahoneybun> did you see lordievader's work ?
[03:42] <valorie> ah, the include?
[03:42] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:42] <valorie> yes, I'm so happy that's possible
[03:42] <ahoneybun> is that better?
[03:42] <valorie> because truly, the less we copy, the better
[03:42] <valorie> best to have ONE place to update
[03:42] <valorie> I was thinking about images too
[03:43] <valorie> would be cool to get them organized, especially screenies, and be careful to use one shot over again rather than having two similar ones
[03:43] <ahoneybun> I'm just wondering how that is better then just another page, it still links to the other subpage
[03:43] <valorie> so when one is updated, it'll update everywhere
[03:44] <ahoneybun> lordievader has more knowledge of the wiki then I it would seem
[03:44] <valorie> because when the include is updated, so is the wiki page
[03:44] <ahoneybun> I know
[03:44] <ahoneybun> oh
[03:44] <ahoneybun> did not know that
[03:44] <valorie> I used to use includes on my webpages
[03:44] <valorie> for stuff like copyright
[03:44] <valorie> you fix the include, and all your pages are fixed
[03:45] <valorie> unfortunately that might break when we moved everything, if/when that happens
[03:45] <valorie> but whatever
[03:46] <ahoneybun> but the include is just the where to start and end in the other page
[03:46] <valorie> my goal now is to make what we've got the best
[03:46] <valorie> and I'll deal with the future when it arrives
[03:47] <ahoneybun> he also gave us a clean install kickoff screenshot
[03:47] <ahoneybun> for the software page
[03:49] <ahoneybun> valorie: as the trello reflects I believe the Getting Involved page is done
[03:49] <ahoneybun> or has a good start
[03:51] <valorie> yes, I think it's good
[03:51] <valorie> I'll go through the other 'done' pages again, but I think we're doing really well
[03:52] <ahoneybun> I think so as well
[03:54] <ahoneybun> how would you rate the software/development page as being done?
[03:55] <valorie> not sure; i need some feedback from devels about accuracy and completeness
[03:55] <ahoneybun> ok
[03:55] <valorie> then I'll get links
[03:55] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software
[03:56] <valorie> I ran out of steam doing that, and then figured why do work that should be tossed anyway?
[03:56] <ahoneybun> so we are tossing it?
[03:56] <valorie> no, no
[03:56] <valorie> but perhaps some of what I listed isn't much used
[03:57] <valorie> so should be removed from the lists
[03:57] <ahoneybun> utils should be one
[03:57] <ahoneybun> I think
[03:57] <valorie> the only problem I have with that screenie is that the slider is at the bottom instead of the top
[03:57] <valorie> why shouldn't we cover utilities?
[03:57] <ahoneybun> I see
[03:57] <valorie> some people don't even know what we have to offer
[03:58] <valorie> I meant on the actual devel page
[03:58] <ahoneybun> lordievader: ping
[03:58] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[03:58] <ahoneybun> the software/devel ?
[03:58] <valorie> it's very high quality, but it would be best to match our list
[03:58] <valorie> yes
[03:59] <ahoneybun> the image is good quality?
[03:59] <valorie> anyway, I'm going to watch a movie for awhile
[03:59] <valorie> yes, the image is good quality, but I think the slider should be at the top so the image matches our list of pages
[03:59] <valorie> I'll bbl
[03:59] <ahoneybun> k
[03:59] <ahoneybun> but
[03:59] <valorie> but?
[04:00] <ahoneybun> I think I would be a team member of the docs team, no?
[04:00] <valorie> what?'
[04:00] <valorie> where
[04:00] <ahoneybun> a member of the docs team
[04:00] <ahoneybun> launchpad? just asking
[04:00] <valorie> oh
[04:00] <valorie> sure
[04:01] <valorie> mostly that is so we can check out the docbook files
[04:01] <ahoneybun> I will not hold you up for the movie
[04:01] <valorie> at this point, what we have is mostly junk
[04:01] <valorie> imo
[04:01] <ahoneybun> the wiki pages?
[04:01] <valorie> present docbook=junk
[04:02] <ahoneybun> ok
[04:02] <valorie> you've got the best of it in the wiki pages
[04:02] <ahoneybun> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1304/offline-packages.html
[04:02] <valorie> yeah, i read that
[04:02] <valorie> pretty cool
[04:02] <valorie> I wonder if that works for us too?
[04:02] <valorie> anyway, back in awhile
[04:03] <ahoneybun> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1304/index.html
[04:03] <ahoneybun> one more thing sorry
[04:03] <ahoneybun> I think this is awesome
[04:03] <valorie> I like ours better, but they have some excellent ideas as well
[04:04] <ahoneybun> yea
[04:04] <ahoneybun> I'll talk to you later
[07:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: time travel
[07:33] <shadeslayer> ??
[07:33] <apachelogger> the answer to every dw question is time travel
[07:34] <shadeslayer> ah
[07:34] <shadeslayer> but really, it makes no sense :P
[07:34] <shadeslayer> He clearly dies, they burn his body, he is not not transferred to another body as Professor Song clearly says
[07:35] <shadeslayer> the most fun part is that there's no Clara Oswald there
[07:35] <shadeslayer> seeing as he's > 1100 years old, he's obviously met her in S7, but no Clara Oswald in S6 when he dies
[07:36] <apachelogger> well
[07:36] <apachelogger> he was gone once
[07:36] <apachelogger> then he was dancing at a wedding
[07:36] <shadeslayer> :S
[07:37] <apachelogger> and to make that happen moffat didn't even need time travel
[07:37] <apachelogger> ....
[07:37] <shadeslayer> younger Doctor who just happened to be there?
[07:37] <shadeslayer> will have to see that episode to really comment :P
[07:37] <apachelogger> many options
[07:37] <apachelogger> you could take an asortment of drugs
[07:37] <shadeslayer> super slow torrents, barely any seeders :(
[07:37] <apachelogger> whatever you come up with is probably close to what is going to happen :P
[07:38] <shadeslayer> lol
[07:39] <apachelogger> anyway, it wouldn't be him saving himself
[07:39] <apachelogger> it never is
[07:39] <apachelogger> at the very best someone else will have to enable him to do that
[07:40] <shadeslayer> yeah, can't be that, isn't there a rule about not going back into your own time or sth?
[07:40] <shadeslayer> too much of a pradox
[07:40] <apachelogger> there's rules, and there is the doctor :P
[07:40] <shadeslayer> haha
[07:41] <apachelogger> the paradox would try to auto-correct IIRC
[07:41] <apachelogger> so it's not impossible, it's just not a very good idea as you may turn yourself into green goo
[07:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you have season 6 on your HDD?
[07:43] <shadeslayer> can you make it available to me ? :P
[07:46] <shadeslayer> lol
[07:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.ebay.in/itm/Doctor-Who-Sonic-Screwdriver-Programmable-Universal-Remote-Control-Coll-ILJ-/290866846505?pt=IN_LCD_LED_Plasma_Televisions&hash=item43b903db29#ht_2939wt_908
[07:58] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Pong, do you guys need a new/better screenshot? I'm on it!
[08:12] <lordievader> ahoneybun, valorie: Made a screenshot with the slider in the top position. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software
[08:59] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Would it be nice to have the Muon screenshots without the mouse-cursor?
[09:19] <apachelogger> ahoneybun, lordievader: actually the documentation order is wrong, MSC should be the first and preferred version
[09:24] <lordievader> apachelogger: I have it noted ;)
[11:00] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[11:01] <soee> good morning
[13:22] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1186721] package libqt4-designer 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.4 failed to install/upgrade: erreur lors de l'éc... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1186721 (by joe fobs)
[18:28] <lordievader> ahoneybun: ping
[19:41] <ahoneybun> lordievader: ping
[19:43] <markey> I'm starting to wonder if there's something wrong with QtScript in Kubuntu. Amarok is crashing a lot with scripts, and the crashes are always deep in the QtScript library
[19:43] <markey> on Gentoo noone can reproduce these
[19:43] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Have you seen apachelogger's comment about Muon?
[19:44] <ahoneybun> kinda did not fully understand
[19:46] <lordievader> ahoneybun: In the software section we talk about the Muon Package Manager, if I understand apachelogger correctly the Muon Software Center is preferred.
[19:46] <ahoneybun> yea I see that after rereading
[19:48] <ahoneybun> lordievader: look at the repository section, it say for more information see the /basic/managingrepositories but all the content on that page is on the basic page
[19:48] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Only the adding/removing repos is on the basic page.
[19:48] <ahoneybun> lordievader: switched and done
[19:49] <lordievader> ahoneybun: ?
[19:49] <ahoneybun> I put MSC before MPM
[19:50] <lordievader> Ah, oke. Nice.
[19:51] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Anyhow do you like what I did with the basic page?
[19:56] <ahoneybun> lordievader: expand the other subpages onto it?
[19:56] <lordievader> What other subpages are you talking about?
[20:04] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic/ManagingSoftware
[20:04] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic/ManagingRepositories
[20:08] <lordievader> I just made a slight change to ManagingRepos. Still aint clear what you want...
[20:08] <lordievader> ahoneybun: ^
[20:09] <ahoneybun> what I we want is for the docs to the best they can be
[20:09] <ahoneybun> bbl
[20:10] <lordievader> True, true.
[20:30] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I'm going to bed, talk to you tommorow.
[21:24] <valorie> lordievader: excellent screenie! thanks
[21:25] <valorie> so Development isn't first in the default menu?
[22:57] <ahoneybun> valorie: pin
[22:59] <ahoneybun> valorie: I don't think it is there unless you install something related to it
[23:09] <valorie> ah, that's a thought
[23:09] <valorie> maybe we should move that to the bottom then
[23:10] <valorie> I couldn't find your template so I didn't make any new pages last night
[23:10] <valorie> did you save one?
[23:28] <ahoneybun> no I use the KubuntuTemplate one
[23:29] <valorie> ok, I'll use that then
[23:29] <valorie> also: http://home.chpc.utah.edu/~davidr/humor/pricelist.html is funny
[23:31] <ahoneybun> lol
[23:36] <valorie> esp. the last line
[23:36] <valorie> grabbed that from the kde-sysadmin chan
[23:38] <ahoneybun> how does one make a template
[23:38] <valorie> I assume save it as a template?
[23:38] <valorie> not sure
[23:39] <valorie> I hate moinmoin, so I've not investigated that
[23:39] <ahoneybun> not sure as well
[23:40] <ahoneybun> the only issue with the KubuntuTemplate is that is has the topbar that is so old
[23:42] <valorie> right, that's why I didn't use it
[23:45] <ahoneybun> I just removed that part
[23:52] <ahoneybun> I have been kinda starting from nothing and just coping my older work
[23:55] <valorie> I was too tired to do that last night
[23:55] <valorie> it will all get done in time
[23:55] <valorie> and we have plenty of time


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[00:00] <asac> fine ... unmodified epiphany crashes the same way (built against ffox)
[00:06] <asac> damn ... why did i start to develop against trunk epiphany in the first place
[00:11] <asac> Ubulette: does miro need xul 1.9?
[00:11] <Ubulette> not yet, i'm waiting for your python patch
[00:12] <asac> hmm miro is in sid
[00:12] <asac> so is it in hardy as well?
[00:12] <Ubulette> gutsy too
[00:12] <asac> ok
[00:12] <Ubulette> !info miro
[00:12] <ubotu> miro: GTK+ based RSS video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 555 kB, installed size 3012 kB
[00:12] <Ubulette> !info miro hardy
[00:12] <asac> is it just python?
[00:12] <ubotu> miro: GTK+ based RSS video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu5 (hardy), package size 555 kB, installed size 3012 kB
[00:13] <Ubulette> fta@ix:~ $ apt-cache madison miro
[00:13] <Ubulette>       miro | 1.5~svn20071122r5782-0ubuntu1~fta1 | http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main Packages
[00:13] <Ubulette>       miro | <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu5 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages
[00:13] <asac> that doesn't answer my question :)
[00:13] <asac> lets see
[00:14] <Ubulette> i have a miro-xul1.9 branch with 30_use_xulrunner_1_9.patch
[00:15] <Ubulette> miro 1.0 has been released ~2 weeks ago
[00:15] <asac> Ubulette: whats the state of that branch?
[00:16] <Ubulette> in progress
[00:17] <asac> why do you need XPCOM_GLUE_USE_NSPR
[00:17] <asac> ?
[00:17] <asac> where do you define XPCOM_GLUE?
[00:17] <asac> do you run pkg-config somwehere?
[00:18] <asac> hmmm does it work?
[00:18] <Ubulette> libxul-embedding-1.9, yes, no
[00:19] <asac> ah you split/join ... you can run pkg-config --cflags --define-variable=includetype=unstable libxul-embedding-1.9 to get the unstable cflags directly
[00:19] <asac> but you probabyl know
[00:20] <asac> but still ... why NSPR?
[00:21] <Ubulette> because it ftbfs without
[00:21] <asac> what is 1.5?
[00:21] <Ubulette> HEAD
[00:22] <asac> k
[00:23] <asac> Ubulette: i don't have a suitable orig for the branch
[00:23] <asac> i took the 1.0 orig from your ppa
[00:23] <asac> that had a version mismatch and now a patch fails
[00:23] <Ubulette> get-orig
[00:24] <Ubulette> or new-orig for today's head
[00:24] <Ubulette> get-orig builds for sure
[00:25] <Ubulette> or http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10519383/miro_1.5%7Esvn20071122r5782.orig.tar.gz
[00:25] <Ubulette> my ppa has miro - 1.5~svn20071122r5782-0ubuntu1~fta1
[00:25] <asac> yeah it chokes on broken .pc files:
[00:25] <asac> Package config error:
[00:25] <asac> pkg-config --list-all outputted the following error:
[00:25] <asac> Variable 'datarootdir' not defined in '/usr/lib/pkgconfig/osso-af-settings.pc'
[00:26] <Ubulette> osso ? what's that ?
[00:26] <asac> doesn't matter much --list-all isn't garantued to work ... so better don't rely on it ;)
[00:26] <asac> its something for mobile project
[00:27] <Ubulette> I used  --list-all ?
[00:27] <Ubulette> oh, it's upstream, not me
[00:28] <asac> i saw it somewhere
[00:28] <asac> maybe its upstream yes
[00:28] <asac> Ubulette: the build appears to succeed
[00:28] <asac> so what is the problem=
[00:29] <asac> ?
[00:29] <Ubulette> using the 1.9 branch ?
[00:29] <Ubulette> well, i don't remember, it was 3 weeks ago, didn't have time since
[00:30] <asac> i get ImportError: /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/miro/MozillaBrowser.so: undefined symbol: _ZN12nsCharTraitsIcE12sEmptyBufferE
[00:30] <asac> maybe its because of the wrong python binding used?
[00:32] <Ubulette> that rings a bell. it's where i stopped
[00:32] <Ubulette> I thought you worked on fixing that
[00:33] <asac> you don't look xpcom
[00:33] <asac> where do you load the Gre?
[00:33] <Ubulette> i clearly said it's incomplete
[00:34] <Ubulette> 02 Nov 2007 16:34
[00:34] <Ubulette> description: 	* Temptative port from firefox-dev (moz 1.8) to xulrunner-1.9.
[00:34] <Ubulette>   It is incomplete.
[00:34] <Ubulette>   - add debian/patches/30_use_xulrunner_1_9.patch
[00:38] <Ubulette> asac, is gnomefreak really mad ?
[01:07] <Ubulette> asac, feel free to fix miro
[01:10] <asac> Ubulette: gnomefreak isn't here anymore. hope he just takes a time off
[01:10] <Ubulette> i hope it's not that seamonkey thing
[01:10] <asac> most likely it iw
[01:10] <asac> is
[01:12] <asac> maybe was wrong to do it the way it was done. but nothing unfixable imo.
[01:13] <Ubulette> i'm sorry it turned that way
[01:17] <asac> miro explicitly uses INTERNAL_API
[01:17] <asac> thats a bad thing
[01:17] <asac> once it builds without that ... it should work :)
[01:19] <asac> ... in setupMozillaEnvironment one has to gtkmozembed.startup_push() ... and one has to import gtkmozembed _before_ importing the MozillaBrowser python lib/module.
[01:32] <Ubulette> asac, I guess i don't need to tell you how quilt works ? :)
[01:38] <asac> why?
[01:39] <Ubulette> you seems to have the fix
[01:41] <Ubulette> anyway, i'm done with merging our last changes and fixing trunk ftbfs into my head branches. i'm running those now. it's all fine (just the python errors on startup)
[01:55] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0~b1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1/+build/457129
[01:55] <Ubulette> 37 min ?
[02:05] <asac> no idea ... seems long but who knows
[02:06] <asac> Ubulette: i don't have the fix ... its not yet frozen linkage ... so it won't work
[14:27] <armin76> asac: mozilla bug 405786
[14:27] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 405786 in XPCOM "1.9 doesn't detect powerpc correctly" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405786
[14:29] <asac> armin76: don't we ship that already?
[14:29] <asac> or is that for ffox 2?
[14:30] <armin76> that's for xulunner-1.9
[14:30] <asac> i know it is
[14:30] <asac> i thought we already had something like that ... nm
[14:31] <armin76> afaik you already apply that patch
[14:31] <armin76> but i thought it should go upstream, since right now it won't build on ppc under linux
[14:33] <asac> armin76: ask timeless for review
[14:36] <asac> e.g. edit the patch attachment
[14:37] <armin76> done
[14:40] <asac> usually he complains about patches not produced by cvs diff :)
[14:40] <asac> lets see
[14:47]  * armin76 does a cvs diff
[14:48] <armin76> you didn't told me that with the ia64 patch :P
[14:48] <asac> cvs diff -Nup8 i think
[14:48] <asac> is what they want
[14:49] <asac> cvs diff -u8pN
[14:51] <armin76> okay, fixing...
[14:56] <armin76> asac: now?
[14:58] <armin76> bah
[15:00] <armin76> done
[15:07] <asac> yep
[15:07]  * asac break
[15:15] <armin76> how are you supposed to add a file to the cvs checkout so you can make a diff?
[15:19] <armin76> oh
[15:19] <armin76> it's explained in the docs :D
[15:19] <armin76> *g*
[15:25] <armin76> [reed]: please re-add the reviewers to mozilla bug 287150 :)
[15:25] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 287150 in XPCOM "parisc-linux support for xpcom" [Major,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287150
[15:25] <armin76> i added a patch using cvs diff
[19:11] <Ubulette> hi
[21:20] <asac> mozilla bug 101252
[21:20] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 101252 in XPCOM "proxied objects require threadsafe impl of nsISupports" [Normal,Resolved: wontfix] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101252
[21:47] <asac> on another front i made epiphany trunk with xul 1.9 start and work more or less OK
[21:49] <asac> Ubulette: there are exciting things todo for epiphany ;)
[21:49] <asac> _work (TM)_
[22:06] <Ubulette> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ff3b2pre-gnome.png
[22:32] <asac> Ubulette: is that broken or what?
[22:32] <Ubulette> no, just evolving every day toward gnome
[22:33] <Ubulette> small glitch, the open folder no longer has an "opened" icon
[22:33] <asac> can you switch back to old theme?
[22:33] <asac> or is that gone forever now?
[22:33] <Ubulette> it's the default, matching my (also default) ubuntu theme
[22:35] <Ubulette> seems it ignores the theme though
[22:37] <asac_> reset
 or is that gone forever now?
 it's the default, matching my (also default) ubuntu theme
 seems it ignores the theme though
[22:37] <asac_> anything after
[22:37] <asac_> 23:33 < Ubulette> it's the default, matching my (also default) ubuntu theme
[22:51] <[reed]> just checked-in 5-6 Linux-only patches
[22:51] <[reed]> :)
[22:52] <Ubulette> I build daily at 7pm (CET)
[22:54] <Ubulette> so i'll see that tomorrow
[22:54] <[reed]> Ubulette: so, I get that
[22:54] <[reed]> in your screenshot
[22:54] <[reed]> if I click
[22:54] <[reed]> and then just stay there
[22:55] <[reed]> it doesn't have the depressed state
[22:55] <[reed]> until I move my mouse
[22:55] <[reed]> then it has it
[22:55] <Ubulette> yes
[22:56] <Ubulette> before, the folder was also open wider
[23:02] <[reed]> file a bug, please
[23:05] <Ubulette> is there a plan to let firefox follow the gnome theme (ie dynamically like all othe gtk apps) ?
[23:08] <asac> Ubulette: i think the idea is that it does it
[23:08] <asac> do you refer to a "repaint" ?
[23:08] <asac> or isn't the theme honoured at all?
[23:09] <Ubulette> I mean, changing the global theme in gnome (still) doesn't change ff3
[23:09] <Ubulette> so if my gnome is blue or green, ff3 is still orange
[23:09] <asac> even after restarting ffox?
[23:09] <Ubulette> i don't care myself as my theme is orange
[23:10] <Ubulette> hmm, i don't know. all the other apps don't need to be restarted
[23:11] <asac> b1 follows theme for me
[23:11] <asac> e.g. widgets et al
[23:11] <asac> icons should do so as well i guess ... if not its a bug?
[23:12] <[reed]> icons weren't changed until after b1
[23:12] <[reed]> to use stock icons
[23:12] <[reed]> check a nightly
[23:12] <asac> yes... but they should use the themed stock icons
[23:13] <asac> Ubulette: please try ... if it works after restart :)
[23:13] <Ubulette> not ff theme, i mean gnome theme (as in System / Preferences / Appearance -> Theme)
[23:14] <asac> yes
[23:14] <asac> i know :)
[23:14] <asac> please see if restart updates the icons :)
[23:18] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/theme-after.png
[23:18] <asac> ok
[23:19] <asac> looks not too bad
[23:19] <Ubulette> not exactly the same but close enough
[23:20] <[reed]> the arrows _just_ got fixed
[23:20] <[reed]> mozilla bug 404493
[23:20] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 404493 in Widget: Gtk "Native GTK style for arrows" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404493
[23:20] <[reed]> like, I just landed the patch 30 min. ago :)
[23:20] <[reed]> so, tomorrow's nightly should have native arrows
[23:35] <Ubulette> asac, prism is still waiting in REVU :(
[23:37] <asac> Ubulette: ping persia?
[23:37] <Ubulette> i did, 3 times. he's busy + network issues
[23:38] <Ubulette> i guess he'll come back to it
[23:38] <Ubulette> but i'm having a hard time finding a 2nd
[23:38] <asac> Ubulette: ask dholbach to assign someone ... at best not me :)
[23:39] <Ubulette> yes, i wanted people not from here ;)
[23:39] <asac> yeah :) .. tell him thats the reason :)
[23:39] <asac> he will be helpful ... i am sure
[23:42] <Ubulette> asac, why dholbach ?
[23:44] <asac> Ubulette: he coordinates sponsoring et al
[23:44] <Ubulette> oh, ok
[23:51] <asac> how long do you wait now?
[23:51] <asac> if its just 2 days you might wanna wait another :)
[23:52] <Ubulette> ~5 days
[23:52] <Ubulette> + stuck 1 day because of the gpg keyring
[23:53] <asac> 5 days since last upload?
[23:53] <asac> or total?
[23:53] <Ubulette> total
[23:53] <asac> last upload?
[23:54] <Ubulette> i've fixed all "issues" the day they've been reported
[23:54] <Ubulette> yesterday
[23:55] <asac> then wait another day at least ;)
[23:55] <asac> focus on other things :) ... this upload will land soon i would bet


[03:02] <hads> Morning
[03:03] <ibeardslee> good of you to join us ;)
[18:40] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:52] <ajmitch> morning
[19:06] <Atamira> mornin
[19:42] <ibeardslee> mutter mutter evil hp mutter
[19:43] <ibeardslee> priced a laptop for a collegue .. 31c more for FreeDOS instead of Windows
[19:43] <ajmitch> heh
[19:43] <ajmitch> this comes as no surprise
[19:43] <ibeardslee> that would imply that each time I use Windows .. MS needs to pay me 31 cents
[19:44] <ajmitch> Somehow I don't think they'll see it like that
[19:44] <ajmitch> Maybe that it'd be 31c over the life of the computer
[19:45] <ibeardslee> well it does mean that it costs less than free software .. so I should be able to install it to what ever machine I want. .. no?
[19:45] <ajmitch> no
[19:46] <ajmitch> MS in their infinite generosity have given you a license to use it on one machine
[19:47] <ibeardslee> but it costs less than free software.
[19:52] <ibeardslee> I think it is time to look further afield for linux laptops than HP
[20:01] <ajmitch> how I love screwing up upgrades & having to use obscure apt options to force it through :)
[20:11] <Atamira> dont dell have linux laptops?
[20:11] <Atamira> granted, not on the nz dell website
[20:11] <Atamira> what about laptops with no OS on it ibeardslee ?
[20:13] <ibeardslee> Atamira: where from?  Happy to go that way if I can find them .. for sale and supported in NZ.
[20:14] <ibeardslee> I tried getting a Dell laptop in NZ without Windows.  Clearly on their website, until you go to buy it.
[20:14] <ibeardslee> When I called asking about it, they removed it from the nz website
[20:14] <Atamira> yeah...its not available here..wasnt in oz either when i was there
[20:14] <Atamira> http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php
[20:15] <Atamira> they had laptops and desktops with no OS on them
[20:15] <ibeardslee> we are now getting our PCs from Silicon Systems in Petone
[20:16] <Atamira> we have one of those up here in auckland
[20:16] <Atamira> but pbtechnologies in cheaper
[20:16] <Atamira> tho they do add the gst on it AFTER wards
[20:16] <ibeardslee> unfortunately they sell Toshiba laptops .. which although nice hardware .. Toshiba told me they won't sell laptops without Windows
[21:06] <hads> ibeardslee: Not surprising at all, I've had several suppliers of Linux laptops arrive and then disappear over the years.
[21:10] <ojwb> morning
[21:12] <thumper> morning
[21:43] <mwhudson> morning
[22:38] <ojwb> my partner's just upgraded to lucid, and spent some time hunting through the desktop config options trying to move the buttons back to the right
[22:38] <ojwb> she couldn't believe you can change all sorts of theme frippery, but not that
[22:49] <mwhudson> ojwb: http://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/
[22:49] <ojwb> they don't seem to work
[22:50]  * ajmitch preferred the windows 3.1 layout
[22:51]  * ojwb thinks these overlapping windows are a passing fad


[08:16] <cjwatson> tomwardill: I think you can land https://code.launchpad.net/~twom/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380046 now - the DROP NOT NULL DB patch is in
[08:16] <tomwardill> cjwatson: ace, thanks
[08:17] <tomwardill> landing
[08:17] <cjwatson> tomwardill: And then I guess the constraint change, but we'll need to get this all the way to production first
[08:17] <tomwardill> yeah
[08:17] <cjwatson> tomwardill: But would be good to prepare the branch
[08:18] <tomwardill> ah yeah, forgot it didn't exist anymore
[08:18] <tomwardill> will do that this morning
[08:40] <tomwardill> cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~twom/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380200
[08:42] <cjwatson> tomwardill: I'd rather see this without the code change mixed in
[08:42] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Will wait until your code change hits db-devel I guess, and then the diff should simplify itself
[08:43] <tomwardill> ah, sorry, forgot about that merge and based it off the wrong tree
[08:43] <tomwardill> I can rebase it off db-devel, one sec
[08:44] <cjwatson> ok
[08:45] <tomwardill> cjwatson: done