[12:31] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, PFA said: !politics is <reply> Plese take political discussion to ##politics. Thank you!
[12:33] <somerville32> hmm
[12:33] <somerville32> !politics is <reply> Plese take political discussion to ##politics. Thank you!
[12:33] <ubotu> I'll remember that, somerville32
[12:34] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, afraz said: ubotu no one is responding back
[12:34] <somerville32> bot > afraz
[12:34] <Jucato> !bot > afraz
[12:34] <somerville32> !bot > afraz
[12:34] <somerville32> lmao
[12:34] <Jucato> :)
[01:39] <somerville32> Seveas: ping
[03:13] <somerville32> lol
[03:25] <gdb> Howdy, I received an odd DCC send request from someone that I felt should be brought to your attention.  Might I paste the information I have here?
[03:25] <nalioth> gdb: in a PM please
[03:30] <somerville32> Disturbance in -offtopic
[03:31] <maxamillion> somerville32: ours?
[03:31] <somerville32> no, ubuntu
[03:31] <somerville32> lol
[03:32] <maxamillion> oh ... ok
[03:47] <nalioth> disturbance?
[03:49] <somerville32> Yeah, 15-20 minutes ago
[03:52] <nalioth> somerville32: highlight
[03:52] <nalioth> somerville32: illuminate
[03:52] <nalioth> somerville32: ping
[03:52] <somerville32> lol
[03:52] <nalioth> somerville32: make noise
[03:52] <somerville32> :D
[03:53] <somerville32> ypsila was, apparently, being naughty in German
[03:53] <nalioth> not really
[03:53] <somerville32> And Jordan_U started to get angry
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: we have a trigger for that ;)
[04:22] <arrenlex> I think it would be useful to have a public FTP server as a pastebin, so people having problems with X could pipe useful output to a file and upload it using the command-line "ftp" utility, following simple instructions which could be included in !paste. Do you think this is a good idea?
[04:24] <TheSheep> arrenlex: you can do the same with any pastebin and wget
[04:24] <arrenlex> How?
[04:24] <TheSheep> man wget
[04:25] <TheSheep> arrenlex: it's complicated, but you can do a http post
[04:25] <arrenlex> Ah, if it's complicated then it's not really a solution.
[04:26] <TheSheep> arrenlex: ftp server would get filled with warez pretty quickly, don't you think?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> the command line "ftp" is also complicated
[04:28] <arrenlex> "ftp ftpastebin.ubuntu.com" and then "send file". What's complicated/
[04:28] <arrenlex> ?
[04:28] <nalioth> arrenlex: you can also use lynx, links or links2 to post
[04:29] <arrenlex> You can't paste (that I'm aware of) without X. There's probably some weird way to submit the data by http directly, but again, it's too complicated to use, I'm assuming.
[04:30] <somerville32> You can paste w/o X
[04:30] <somerville32> !gpm
[04:30] <ubotu> gpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-22ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 202 kB, installed size 500 kB
[04:31] <nalioth> arrenlex: quite so, one can paste w/o X
[04:31] <TheSheep> or with screen
[04:32] <arrenlex> This all sounds a lot more complicated than the ftp thing to me. However, you're the bosses. Thank you for your time.
[04:32] <nalioth> and someone has a scriptlet that posts command line stuff directly to pastebins
[04:32] <arrenlex> Really. That sounds better. I will google that, thank you.
[05:25] <Hawkwind> Whatever happened with the plans of a follow up meeting to our first/last meeting ?  Is one still planned and if so, do we have a date of when it is yet ?
[09:24] <dabaR> is anyone awake?
[09:25] <somerville32> Yup
[09:25] <dabaR> so come see #ubuntu
[09:26] <somerville32> Oh  wow!
[09:26] <somerville32> !ops
[09:26] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos or tonyyarusso
[09:28] <mneptok> ahoyhoy
[09:29] <somerville32> Hi
[09:29] <mneptok> somerville32: could you /kick alumno* in #ubuntu?
[09:29] <dabaR> !ops
[09:29] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos or tonyyarusso
[09:30] <dabaR> heh
[09:30] <dabaR> Why not remove the alumno from #ubuntu?
[09:31] <somerville32> Because the #ubuntu ops are sleeping
[09:31] <ubotu> In ubotu, SilentDis said: !troll is Please do not feed the trolls.  They get mean, nasty, and annoying.
[09:31] <dabaR> and you are not an op?
[09:31] <dabaR> just for kubuntu?
[09:32] <somerville32> I'm the Xubuntu contact
[09:32] <dabaR> oh, cody, right...
[09:32] <somerville32> Feel free to join us in #xubuntu :)
[09:32] <dabaR> I knew your last name was familiar.
[09:32] <somerville32> dabaR, Where have you heard of me? lol
[09:32] <dabaR> you initiated the whole xubuntu project, IIRC.
[09:33] <dabaR> on CNN, of course.
[09:33] <somerville32> lol
[09:33] <somerville32> You're joking.
[09:33] <mneptok> somerville32: there's a #xubuntu on Freenode? i figured the lag between servers on this network was antithetical to the XFCE manifesto. ;)
[09:33] <dabaR> somerville32: yes, that is true...
[09:33] <dabaR> but you did start xubuntu, correct?
[09:34] <somerville32> dabaR, I'm afraid not. What would give you that impression?
[09:34] <somerville32> mneptok, hehe ;p
[09:34] <dabaR> Dunno, I mixed it up. Actually, last I read about you was in the UWN, you got accepted to the CC?
[09:34] <dabaR> or something like that...
[09:34] <somerville32> Nope, not accepted to the CC either, lol. I'm a member though and was recently appointed the Chief-Editor of the UWN
[09:35] <dabaR> I am an active member of the community, a non-official one...So I read these names here and there...
[09:35] <dabaR> Cool.
[09:35] <somerville32> :)
[09:35] <mneptok> where UWN = Underpants World News
[09:35] <mneptok> *very* hot
[09:35] <somerville32> :D
[09:36] <somerville32> Oh.... it appears #ubuntu is still being spammed :(
[09:36] <mneptok> aye
[09:36] <mneptok> *summon Seveas*
[09:36] <somerville32> @now Amsterdam
[09:36] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Amsterdam: January 10 2007, 09:36:34 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 3 hours 23 minutes
[09:37] <mneptok> @now MyPants
[09:37] <mneptok> prude.
[09:37] <mneptok> 03:37 -Ubugtu(n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu)- Error: Unknown timezone: MyPants - Full list: http://bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl/timezones.html
[09:38] <mneptok> i guess i have to buy more iinners and roses before the bots acknowledge my pants
[09:38] <somerville32> :]
[09:38] <mneptok> *dinners
[09:40] <somerville32> I should post ip addresses so these people can be banned later
[09:40] <somerville32> [Infeliz]  (i=Infeliz@adsl-85-217-21-167.kotinet.com): Kimmo Suokas
[09:41] <somerville32> [alumno03]  (n=alumno03@62-43-33-240.user.ono.com): alumno03
[09:41] <somerville32> It appears alumno01 and alumno02 are the same people as alumno03
[09:41] <mneptok> trying to find a Freenode o: as we speak
[09:52] <elkbuntu> alumno still a prob?
[09:52] <somerville32> Nope
[09:52] <somerville32> fab took care of it :)
[09:52] <elkbuntu> cool
[09:52] <elkbuntu> i was busy eating dinner
[09:53] <mneptok> elkbuntu: you going to be active for a while?
[09:53] <elkbuntu> mneptok, yeah
[09:54] <mneptok> 03:53 -!- mode/#ubuntu [-o mneptok]  by mneptok
[09:54] <mneptok> all yours, hon :P
[09:54] <mneptok> have .... fun?
[09:56] <somerville32> "* mneptok removes channel operator status from mneptok"
[09:56] <somerville32> You can't reop yourself, mneptok
[09:56] <mneptok> i know
[09:56] <mneptok> that's why i ensured elkstress would be active
[09:57] <somerville32> ah
[09:57] <somerville32> :]
[09:58] <mneptok> i don't want anyone wondering how/why i got ops unless it's necessary for the smooth operation of the channel.
[10:00] <somerville32> heh
[10:17] <elkbuntu> heh
[10:18] <somerville32> I love how IRC state is based not on time but on the buffer ;]
[10:20] <mneptok> somerville32: i use the same litmus test on my relationship with my girlfriend.
[10:20] <mneptok> "Our 8 years together is meaningless. BUFF ME TO A HIGH SHEEN!"
[10:21] <somerville32> ...
[10:22] <mneptok> 'zackly
[10:52] <elkbuntu> how the hell has she tolerated you for 8 years?
[10:55] <mneptok> alcohol and increasingly invasive lobotomies
[10:55] <somerville32> ...
[10:55] <elkbuntu> aha
[10:55] <elkbuntu> somerville32, if you'd met mneptok in real life, you would understand.
[10:55] <somerville32> lol
[10:56] <elkbuntu> you're assuming we're all going to get to spain
[10:56] <elkbuntu> i've been sponsored once, my chances are low
[10:56] <mneptok> somerville32: once it's confirmed i won't be in spain, make your move
[10:56] <elkbuntu> mneptok, lol
[10:56] <mneptok> :)
[10:56] <elkbuntu> read that as: "once i finally irritate shuttleworth enough to get fired'
[10:57] <somerville32> mneptok, You work for shuttleworth?
[10:57] <elkbuntu> although i guess irritating jeff would be enough also
[10:58] <mneptok> somerville32: aye
[10:58] <elkbuntu> dont we all
[10:58] <mneptok> careful what you wish for .... ;)
[10:58] <somerville32> lol
[10:58] <somerville32> If only it was that easy
[10:59] <elkbuntu> mneptok, surely it's got to beat unemployment and working with old people at St Vincent de Paul sorting people's pre-loved crap
[11:00] <somerville32> hehe
[11:00] <mneptok> elkbuntu: you just described packaging GNOME, KDE, and XFCE
[11:00] <elkbuntu> mneptok, none of those have genuine faecal matter or false teeth included
[11:02] <mneptok> you *really* need to check out newer source ....
[11:02] <mneptok> >:)
[11:02] <somerville32> mneptok, What does your job entail?
[11:03] <mneptok> somerville32: https://launchpad.net/~mneptok
[11:03] <mneptok> :)
[11:03] <somerville32> Speaking of employment
[11:03] <somerville32> I got offered to go down to the states to setup a LTSP infrastructure for a new school district they are building for a cool $50 000 USD
[11:05] <somerville32> The chances of it actually happening, me thinks, is slim to none
[11:06] <somerville32> but I'm going to get excited anyhow
[11:06] <mneptok> did you ask if the work was clothing-optional?
[11:07] <somerville32> lol
[11:08] <mneptok> i asked before i started with Canonical. sabdfl said, "for you, always. now go back under your rock."
[11:09] <somerville32> hehe
[11:09] <somerville32> You should put in a good word for me
[11:10] <somerville32> Be like, "Hey... you know that somerville32 guy? No? Well... we should hire me."
[11:11] <mneptok> in my case, you'd want me to diss you. that goes a *lot* farther in raising confidence among other Canonicalistas
[11:11] <somerville32> lol
[11:11] <somerville32> What ever works
[11:11] <elkbuntu> lol
[11:11] <mneptok> "Man, if somerville32 ever worked for us I'd be highly, HIGHLY annoyed." about ten seconds later you'll get an offer.
[11:12] <somerville32> woot :]
[11:14] <somerville32> It is already 6:15am : (
[11:14] <mneptok> somerville32: are you in the eastern provinces?
[11:15] <somerville32> Atlantic provinces, yes :]
[11:15] <somerville32> New Brunswick
[11:15] <mneptok> ach so
[11:16] <mneptok> wait ....
[11:16] <mneptok> it's "New" Brunswick?
[11:16] <mneptok> not Nude Brunswick?!
[11:17] <mneptok> fsck. camcel *those* vacation plans. :/
[11:17] <somerville32> hehe
[01:16] <Hobbsee> mneptok: you think you're better than me????
[01:19] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:19] <Hobbsee> mneptok: now you've ruined my dinner.
[01:19] <Jucato> ah there :)
[01:26] <Hobbsee> hey tonyyarusso
[01:26] <Hobbsee> mneptok: why are you in here anyway?
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> Hi Hobbsee
[01:27] <tonyyarusso> Is ubuntulog actually a bot or just a logging session?
[01:27] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: why not?
[01:27] <somerville32> A logging bot
[01:27] <Amaranth> I am. :)
[01:27] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: a logging bot
[01:27] <somerville32> You guys missed all the fun last night
[01:27] <Hobbsee> [23:27]  [CTCP]  Received CTCP-VERSION reply from ubuntulog: BitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - Linux 2.6.12-10-686 :put the blunt down just for a minute
[01:27] <somerville32> We had some serious spammers in #ubuntu and no ops :(
[01:28] <Hobbsee> oh fun
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> eek
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: What time was that?
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> I was on until about 23:00 (GMT-5), but not really watching.
[01:28] <somerville32> 4 hours ago
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> Ah
[01:30] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: No Freenode staff either?
[01:30] <Amaranth> i wasn't even here 4 hours ago
[01:30] <Amaranth> and i'm always here (until break is over)
[01:30] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: not all of them are actually in the channel anymore, and there arent a lot of people in the au timeslot
[01:31] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: That's true, but if anyone is listed in /stats p, #ubuntu has *!*@freenode/staff/* access.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: indeed.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> mneptok: indeed - but do you have ops there?  :P
[01:32] <mneptok> Hobbsee: yeah, i was in here to recruit an enforcer, but fabbione threw me a +o until elkbuntu unidled
[01:32] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: staffers have ops if they're in the access list or not
[01:32] <Hobbsee> mneptok: ahhh
[01:32] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Yes, but there policy is to usually not use it unless they are, in my understanding.
[01:33] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: not when there are massive spam attacks, surely?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> mneptok: poke jdub or Seveas to get you added
[01:33] <mneptok> Hobbsee: i never really cared about a +o too much as long as coverage was good, but that has changed. i'll pester Seveas for a /cs access add
[01:33] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Not sure.  I'll have to ask.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> mneptok: OK.  they can both do it, was my point
[01:34] <mneptok> Hobbsee: jdub and i have resolved to only speak of our love, and then only when we're sharing a pillow. so Seveas it is. ;)
[01:35] <Hobbsee> mneptok: ahhh...right
[01:36] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: hrm?
[01:36] <tonyyarusso> mneptok's comment, which, as usual, is odd
[01:37] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: smile politely. nod. and then totally ignore me. works for my girlfriend.
[01:37] <tonyyarusso> hehe, yeah
[01:38] <mneptok> :)
[01:38] <Hobbsee> mneptok: you have a girlfriend?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: means they didnt get on.  duh :P
[01:38] <mneptok> Hobbsee: yes.
[01:38] <Hobbsee> mneptok: scary.  i pity her
[01:39] <mneptok> Hobbsee: ad quite contrary, jdub and i do well together. but i tend to liwit the administrivia between us to GNOME issues if possible.
[01:39] <Hobbsee> mneptok: liwit?  does not parse
[01:40] <mneptok> *limit
[01:40] <mneptok> (damned switch to Dvorak)
[01:41] <Hobbsee> mneptok: ahh
[01:41] <mneptok> Hobbsee: i think she's in #ubuntu-women, if you want to pass along condolences and an offer of a safe continent on which to hide ;)
[01:41] <Hobbsee> mneptok: i tend not to go there.  i've had a bad experience there...
[01:42] <mneptok> #ubuntu-ca or #ubuntu-qc, then
[01:42] <mneptok>  /whois woowoo
[01:42] <mneptok> :)
[01:42] <Hobbsee> not in any channels
[01:43] <Hobbsee> er, my whois is on crack
[01:43] <Hobbsee> oh, she's got her thingo set to private
[01:43] <Hobbsee> somehow
[01:43] <mneptok> #ubuntu-qc is +s
[02:53] <hdibani> hi , can anybody help me get unbanned from #ubuntu? i got banned because i sent a link to the ryzom.org wesite (the effort to open source it)
[02:58] <LjL> hdibani: do you realize that spam is *bad*, no matter what it's about? we have #ubuntu-offtopic where you can freely point people to sites like that
[02:59] <hdibani> noe i do, but at the moment i did not realize
[02:59] <hdibani> if you unban me i won't be doing that again
[02:59] <gnomefreak> hes unbanned
[03:00] <hdibani> great, thank you guys.
[03:01] <LjL> !etiquette hdibani
[03:01] <LjL> !etiquette | hdibani
[03:01] <ubotu> hdibani: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !AskTheBot - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[03:01] <hdibani> allright, thanks
[03:01] <LjL> hdibani: you may want to look at that (especially the guidelines and CoC) to avoid other - mistakes
[03:02] <hdibani> sure, i cannot do without this channel so i will be reading that for sure
[03:03] <LjL> hdibani: message the bot privately BTW, it was my mistake to have this sent on the channel rather than in a private query. /query ubotu, and you can ask it anything (no need for the ! while you're in a query)
[03:04] <mneptok> LjL: Millions Of Men Trust Our Herbal Supplements, How About You?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> mneptok: hopefully you dont need the herbal supplements?
[03:06] <mneptok> Hobbsee: no, just a thwack on the spamhole and a sense of humor augmentation.
[03:06] <LjL> "herbal supplements"? was that coined to avoid spamfilters? :P
[03:06] <mneptok> fine. \/146|24
[03:06] <mneptok> happy?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> mneptok: heh
[03:07] <LjL> btw there's a lot of my bans in the #ubuntu banlist, they were the turkish spambots
[03:07] <LjL> are they still around? do you think i could unban them? they're taking up a ton of slots
[03:08] <mneptok>  /whois mahir_i_kiss_you
[03:09] <LjL> many of them are probably dynamic addresses too
[03:14] <gnomefreak> yay just what i wanted!!! more work :(
[03:15] <gnomefreak> LjL: i was gonna ask people to clear their bans from there including the fowards (not all but most of the non perm bans) just to lighten up the list. if the people havent fixed thier ports than they may not for a while
[03:17] <mneptok> have fun kids. reclaiming a window ...
[03:28] <LjL> gnomefreak: though i've seen cases (like einPaule for instance) when they did come here after two weeks or so of being banned... also i think i'd lean on banning by nickname for forwards: IP addresses change, while nicks usually don't unless one's trying to dodge the ban (but forwarded people should have no reason to do that)
[03:44] <jenda> Seveas: ping
[03:44] <jenda> Seveas: may I cloak Vorian?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> !logs | jenda
[03:50] <ubotu> jenda: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[04:04] <Hobbsee> jenda: it's amusing, seeing their discussiions of karma
[04:05] <Hobbsee> er, 2 billion karma
[04:05] <Hobbsee> oh wait
[04:05] <Hobbsee> no, 2 million
[04:06] <jenda> Hobbsee: hehe :) I'll catch you one day ;)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> jenda: *grin* - do some translation
[04:07] <jenda> nevah!
[04:07] <jenda> :)
[04:07] <jenda> Well, not in the exam season, at least.
[04:07] <jenda> Hobbsee: I do this: diy.devubuntu.com . Launchpad has no idea ;)
[04:08] <Hobbsee> jenda: haha
[04:08] <jenda> {under heavy construction}
[04:08] <Hobbsee> yeah well.  the beta launchpad is very nice
[04:10] <jenda> what's it?
[04:11] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, stop boasting
[04:11] <Hobbsee> makes more sense
[04:11] <PriceChild> that's mean :)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> heh, sorry
[04:11] <PriceChild> jenda, she's already got me logging in to see the "no you can't come here" message
[04:12] <jenda> haha
[04:12] <jenda> ahhh, I was getting a little cold.
[04:12] <jenda> :)
[04:13] <jenda> Notice how I made just the right number of dots in my message to match the 'of doom' in mine above the 'of DOOM' in yours ;)
[04:14] <jenda> I guess I'm doomed.
[04:57] <ubotu> In ubotu, pike_ said: no gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd
[04:59] <ubotu> In ubotu, pike_ said: no gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[06:07] <Amaranth> !gparted
[06:07] <ubotu> gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[06:08] <Amaranth> i see, he wanted to add sudo
[06:09] <Jucato> no gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[06:09] <Jucato> !no gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[06:09] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Jucato
[06:09] <Jucato> !gparted
[06:09] <ubotu> gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[06:10] <Jucato> Amaranth: that better?
[06:10] <Amaranth> sure
[06:10] <Jucato> :)
[07:37] <ubotu> In ubotu, DaSkreech said: stop asking is KDE4 is not coming out in time for feisty. You will have a KDE4 package but there are no promises it is usable. please read http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-release-plan.html
[07:44] <jenda> Seveas: ping
[07:44] <jenda> I have one atoponce requesting #ubuntu-us
[07:45] <Seveas> jenda, didn't you also have a cloak request pending?
[07:45] <jenda> yes, yes... there was...
[07:45] <jenda> Vorian
[07:46] <jenda> Seveas^ is he ok to cloak?
[07:46] <Seveas> yup
[07:47] <Seveas> I added him to my list :)
[07:49] <jenda> added him a cloak.
[09:21] <Seveas> rob, jenda: problems ahead in #ubuntu-locoteams
[09:21] <Seveas> freenode staff help needed, I don't have ops
[09:21] <jenda> ok
[09:21] <Seveas> (you have carte blanche, I have to go)
[09:22] <effie_jayx> nice trolling :S
[09:23] <effie_jayx> jenda,  :S they are not taing any warning sign
[09:23] <jenda> I'm working on it :(
[09:23] <effie_jayx> :S
[09:24] <jenda> I can't get hold of the required staff.
[09:24] <jenda> I don't have the powah.
[09:24] <effie_jayx> jenda,  ok... :D lax...
[09:24] <effie_jayx> thank god the rest of us in there are tolerant enough
[09:26] <jenda> yep
[09:31] <effie_jayx> never seen such nasty trolling... :S :D
[09:43] <jenda> hmm
[09:43] <jenda> never seen such a big channel with only two ops :/
[09:43] <somerville32> What channel?
[09:52] <jenda> #ubuntu-locoteams
[09:52] <jenda> ok, it aint' that big, but it's important ;)
[09:53] <jenda> I prodded the two, though.
[09:53] <effie_jayx> jenda,  it's strange... only people that know what #ubuntu-locoteams is about.. log in...
[09:55] <effie_jayx> jenda,  sorry...
[09:55] <jenda> not at all - it's the late hour.
[09:56] <jenda> but what did you mean?
[09:56] <effie_jayx> people tal join #ubuntu-locoteams know what one can discuss in that channel
[09:56] <effie_jayx> and how to behave...
[09:57] <effie_jayx> jenda,  did I get it now? :D
[09:58] <jenda> oh, yes :)
[09:58] <jenda> true
[09:58] <jenda> until now.
[09:58] <jenda> obviously, trollage doesn't happen everyday - but the channel was totally unprepared for it.
[09:59] <effie_jayx> :D
[09:59] <effie_jayx> it was so strange .. it was even funny...
[10:12] <RedStamp> umm
[10:12] <RedStamp> i got the boot
[10:12] <somerville32> From where?
[10:12] <RedStamp> opptopic
[10:12] <RedStamp> offtopic even
[10:12] <ompaul> RedStamp, your langauge you were asked
[10:12] <RedStamp> sorry bro
[10:12] <ompaul> tought
[10:12] <ompaul> tough even
[10:13] <ompaul> you can cool your heels for a bit
[10:13] <RedStamp> OK
[10:13] <somerville32> :)
[10:13] <RedStamp> I'm wearing red high heels bro might take a while
[10:13] <RedStamp> :_
[10:13] <RedStamp> )
[10:13] <somerville32> heh
[10:25] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, mag_ said: ubotu:  my intention is to have a data server or file sever using ubuntu and all the machines wil has to use user and pass for many folders
[10:27] <Seveas> !bot > mag_
[10:37] <somerville32> Seveas: Has any summarize the cc yet?
[10:38] <somerville32> Appears not
[10:38] <Seveas> somerville32, I haven't had time yet
[10:38] <Seveas> I have something called "job" and "social life" that sometimes interfere
[10:39] <Seveas> and dozens of people asking about it doesn't help either
[10:39] <mc44> Seveas: are we there yet?
[10:40] <PriceChild> Can I have a pony?
[10:40] <Seveas> @pony PriceChild
[10:40] <Seveas> @enable Mess
[10:40] <Ubugtu> (enable [<plugin>]  <command>) -- Enables the command <command> for all users. If <plugin> if given, only enables the <command> from <plugin>. This command is the inverse of disable.
[10:40] <Seveas> @pony PriceChild
[10:40] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.mess.enabled True
[10:40] <Seveas> @pony PriceChild
[10:41] <Ubugtu> No PriceChild can't have a pony, Seveas!
[10:41] <PriceChild> :'(
[11:27] <Seveas> jenda, can you please remove eyequeues cloak
[11:29] <jenda> Seveas: sure.
[11:29] <Seveas> thanks
[11:29] <Seveas> I'll have some more cloak requests later
[11:30] <jenda> I'll be asleep later.
[11:30] <jenda> :)
[11:30] <ompaul> there is no system but gnu, and linux is one of its kernels
[11:30] <jenda> Now where have I heard that...
[11:30] <jenda> the holy church of Emacs? :)
[11:30] <ompaul> there is that
[11:30] <jenda> Repeat ten times a day and you are an Emacsite.
[11:30] <ompaul> beats yipeism any day ;-)
[11:31] <somerville32> lol
[11:31] <jenda> hehe
[11:31] <ompaul> vi vi vi is the editor of the beast
[11:31] <jenda> not to mention ed.
[11:31] <jenda> It's just ... ed.
[11:31] <ompaul> it is a penance
[11:32] <jenda>
[11:32] <somerville32> Gotta love line based editors
[11:32] <ompaul> forget line think model
[11:57] <LjL> ompaul: there is no system but emacs, and gnu is one of its kernels, and it's quite purposeless really since it depends on another kernel and emacs does the rest
[11:59] <ompaul> LjL, read mine again ;-)
[12:00] <ompaul> if you had read it out loud, you would have hurd the gag
[12:00] <TheSheep> ompaul: yours is just 3 verbs :/
[12:00] <TheSheep> 4
[12:00] <TheSheep> doh
[12:13] <Seveas> jenda, feel like doing more cloaking?
[12:13] <Seveas> this time setting cloaks, not removing :)
[12:13] <Seveas> hi nalioth
[12:14] <Seveas> having fun?
[12:14] <nalioth> i'm dispatching taxi cabs
[12:14] <Seveas> ah
[12:14] <jenda> Seveas: sure
[12:14] <Seveas> having cab ;)
[12:14] <Seveas> jenda: geser, lutin, adri2000
[12:14] <jenda> unless nalioth does it :)
[12:14] <jenda> ok
[12:14] <nalioth> great fun :D (where's the whiskey?)
[12:15] <Seveas> I just did my CC duty
[12:15] <Seveas> a pain, since LP was being slow :/
[12:18] <jenda> Seveas: done
[12:19] <Seveas> gracias
[12:24] <jenda> np


[21:58] <kartK1> hey guys. which noob question on etc/init.d. there is this program in my etc/init.d folder and i was wondering is there to see to which package provided that script.
[21:58] <adamcunnington> [11557:11557:0612/225646:ERROR:chrome_browser_main.cc(1198)] Failed to create a ProcessSingleton for your profile directory. This means that running multiple instances would start multiple browser processes rather than opening a new window in the existing process. Aborting now to avoid profile corruption.
[21:58] <adamcunnington> Sorry, i didn't copy the URL properly... https://paste.lugons.org/show/FusCyvbQI5I4Wret9Ipd/
[21:58] <ikonia> adamcunnington: remove the file so i can create it
[21:58] <adamcunnington> ikonia: so it* ?
[21:58] <Pirate40> Ikonia I'd say it fits in that I have Ubuntu and need some support.
[21:58] <ikonia> so "it"
[21:58] <ikonia> Pirate40: you don't need ubuntu support
[21:59] <ikonia> Pirate40: you need windows help
[21:59] <adamcunnington> ikonia: i'm now getting an error everytime i launch chromium
[21:59] <Pirate40> My OS is Ubuntu. Ubuntu won't open the start program on the disk.
[22:00] <ikonia> adamcunnington: I'm getting an error isn't helpful
[22:00] <Etriaph> OK, something strange is going on.
[22:00] <ikonia> Pirate40: you don't open the start program - you boot from windows install media
[22:00] <ikonia> Pirate40: the guys in ##windows channel can walk you through the windows install process
[22:00] <adamcunnington> ikonia: "Your profile could not be opened correctly. Some features may be unavailable. Please check that the profile exists and you have permission to read and write its contents."
[22:00] <ikonia> adamcunnington: look at the permissions on your home dir/where it wants to create it
[22:00] <Etriaph> On Ubuntu 14.04, if you install package php5-pgsql, postgres support is enabled for PHP CLI only, not under Apache2
[22:00] <Pirate40> Well, that's the idea, problem is that isn't happening
[22:01] <ikonia> Pirate40: "whats" not happening
[22:01] <ikonia> Etriaph: why do you think that (not saying your wrong) but I expect that to be the pdo object for php which apache can use
[22:01] <adamcunnington> ikonia: but i've been using this fine for months, why has this problem suddenly occured?
[22:01] <ikonia> adamcunnington: maybe you've changed the permissions on your home drie/where it wants to create it
[22:02] <Etriaph> pg_connect should be enabled.
[22:02] <Pirate40> I put the Install disk in the Drive. Boot the Laptop,  it boots thye Ubuntu but won't boot the install from the drive
[22:02] <adamcunnington> ikonia: only thing i've done is chmod +x setup.py from inside a virtualenv
[22:02] <Etriaph> Doing a phpinfo() on a website through Apache shows it's not enabled.
[22:02] <Etriaph> Doing it on the console does.
[22:02] <ikonia> Etriaph: hasn't this all been depreciated for pdo ?
[22:02] <ikonia> Pirate40: ok, so the guys in ##windows can help
[22:02] <Etriaph> Not at all.
[22:02] <Pirate40> Right on, thanks
[22:02] <Etriaph> I'm saying Postgres Support is *not* enabled for Apache2
[22:03] <Etriaph> Only for PHP5 CLI
[22:03] <Etriaph> phpinfo() says so :D
[22:03] <Etriaph> phppgadmin wouldn't work without pg_connect, it doesn't use PDO
[22:03] <ikonia> Etriaph: look for another package then
[22:03] <Etriaph> Well.. it's the only package. :D
[22:03] <ikonia> phpgadmin may not work because no-ones updated it to pdo
[22:04] <ikonia> I was under the impression it had all been moved to pdo now, but that coul dbe wrong
[22:04] <Etriaph> https://gist.github.com/Etriaph/a046db6c51b617aa13cc
[22:05] <grubles> hello is there a program that supports facebook chat + google hangouts?
[22:05] <Etriaph> Postgres is not at all mentioned via phpinfo() on the web
[22:06] <ikonia> Etriaph: have you stopped/started apache since the install
[22:06] <skinux> Disks said my hard drive is 'OK', so obviously it's not failing at all.
[22:06] <ikonia> Etriaph: have you looked at the apache modules to see if it's set to load it
[22:06] <Etriaph> Yes.
[22:06] <Etriaph> I'm pretty experienced with Ubuntu and LAMP setups
[22:06] <jackarius86> hi can anyone help me with installing formatjunkie ?? i downloaded the deb file, used 'sudo dpkg -i formatjunkie_1.07-1~raring0.2_i386.deb' then 'sudo apt-get install -f' and even after that i couldnt get it to work..?
[22:06] <ikonia> Etriaph: whats the module status ?
[22:07] <ikonia> jackarius86: define "doesn't work"
[22:07] <skinux> jackarius86: Why aren't you installing deb packages using alien?
[22:07] <ikonia> because alien is the wrong tool
[22:08] <skinux> ??
[22:08] <Etriaph> ikonia: How do you mean?
[22:08] <ikonia> you should not be installing a deb package with alien
[22:08] <Etriaph> As in mod_status?
[22:08] <skinux> That is what alien is for!?
[22:08] <jackarius86> using alien?
[22:08] <ikonia> Etriaph: is apache set to load the postgres php module
[22:08] <subz3r0> hi
[22:08] <jackarius86> i dont even have alien..
[22:08] <ikonia> jackarius86: ignore "using alien" is the wrong tool
[22:08] <Etriaph> PHP is in /etc/php5/apache2/conf/
[22:08] <jackarius86> ok
[22:08] <jackarius86> ohhh
[22:08] <ikonia> Etriaph: isn't the postgres module a seperate php module ?
[22:08] <jackarius86> im missing ggmpeg
[22:08] <skinux> ikonia: How is it the wrong tool?
[22:09] <Etriaph> Yes, look at /etc/php5/apache2/conf/
[22:09] <jackarius86> but ffmpeg is obsolete too
[22:09] <ikonia> skinux: by being the wrong tool
[22:09] <Etriaph> Or conf.d
[22:09] <skinux> Why is it the wrong tool?????
[22:09] <subz3r0> when i use a cronjob... what is the difference between: * * 1 * * and 0 0 1 * *
[22:09] <jackarius86> is there a new software that replaced formatjunkie?
[22:09] <ikonia> Etriaph: I'm working from memory as I don't have an ubuntu box to hand here
[22:09] <Etriaph> 20-pgsql.ini is included in there
[22:09] <Etriaph> But the extension never loads.
[22:09] <Etriaph> phpinfo() knows nothing about it
[22:09] <ikonia> Etriaph: is the actual module on the file system (the postgres php one)
[22:09] <Etriaph> But PHP CLI works just fine
[22:10] <Etriaph> ikonia: That I haven't checked, but did sudo apt-get install php5-pgsql with no issue.
[22:10] <ikonia> Etriaph: worth checking
[22:10] <ikonia> Etriaph: that way you know where the bug is and can get it fixed quickly
[22:10] <subz3r0> wouldnt the job start with * * 1 * * every month at 00:00 at the first day in month?
[22:10] <ikonia> skinux: you have no time set
[22:10] <ikonia> skinux: oops, not you
[22:10] <Etriaph> ikonia: But it must be there because PHP5 CLI is loading it
[22:10] <ikonia> subz3r0: you have no time set
[22:11] <ikonia> subz3r0: that would run every minute of every hour
[22:11] <subz3r0> hmm?
[22:11] <Etriaph> PHP is divided into two shunts, once for CLI which has its own configuration and one for apache2 which has a separate configuration
[22:11] <Etriaph> A PHP shell script shows pgsql support, but through apache does not
[22:11] <ikonia> Etriaph: look at the apache config, look at the postgres module it's trying to load, and verify it's on the file system where it's expected
[22:11] <subz3r0> minute, hour, day ,month, day of week
[22:12] <subz3r0> ikonia: sorry but i dont get it
[22:12] <ikonia> subz3r0: * = all the time
[22:12] <ikonia> so * * = every minute of every hour
[22:13] <subz3r0> but i just set the 1 for month
[22:14] <ikonia> subz3r0: ok, so it will run every minute of every hour in January
[22:14] <Etriaph> ikonia: Apache loads the PHP module, which reads php.ini and loads extensions on its own
[22:14] <ikonia> Etriaph: interesting,
[22:14] <Etriaph> ikonia: Apache has very little to do with PHP except what PHP tells Apache about.
[22:14] <subz3r0> ikonia: okay so if i dont want that i have to use 0 instead of *
[22:14] <ikonia> subz3r0: 0 where ?
[22:14] <subz3r0> means 0 0 1 * *
[22:15] <ikonia> subz3r0: no,
[22:15] <ikonia> subz3r0: what do you actually want ?
[22:15] <subz3r0> a job every 1. day in a month
[22:15] <subz3r0> no matter if the month has 28 30 31 days
[22:15] <subz3r0> just the first day of a month
[22:15] <ikonia> subz3r0: ok, so the day is * and you just set the time
[22:16] <subz3r0> eh?
[22:16] <ikonia> you need to go and ready about cron
[22:17] <subz3r0> @monthly = 0 0 1 * *
[22:17] <ikonia> no
[22:17] <subz3r0> yes
[22:17] <ikonia> no
[22:17] <subz3r0> its a string that can be used, too
[22:18] <ikonia> no
[22:18] <subz3r0> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Cron
[22:18] <ikonia> so ?
[22:18] <subz3r0> then this wiki must be wrong
[22:19] <syeekick> anyone got any idea why my numix circle theme for unity doesn't save on reboot? 14.04
[22:19] <syeekick> any input would be apreicated
[22:20] <subz3r0> ikonia: well... so when i want to start the script at 00:01 every first day of a month it would be 1 0 1 * *
[22:20] <subz3r0> right?
[22:20] <ikonia> yes, on the first day of a month
[22:20] <ikonia> it's better to use 01
[22:20] <ikonia> rather than 1
[22:20] <subz3r0> okay
[22:20] <ikonia> but that's just a tidy think
[22:21] <ikonia> thing
[22:21] <subz3r0> but why is it written like that in the wiki
[22:21] <ikonia> I don't know, I don't write the wiki
[22:21] <subz3r0> @monthly  = 0 0 1 * *
[22:21] <ikonia> I can read
[22:21] <subz3r0> since that would mean at 0:00 at the first day
[22:21] <ikonia> correct
[22:21] <est0> anyonee have a recommendations for a small portable screen for a raspbery pi ?
[22:22] <ikonia> est0: try ##hardware channel
[22:22] <subz3r0> subz3r0> @monthly = 0 0 1 * *
 no
[22:22] <subz3r0> so what now?
[22:22] <subz3r0> lol?
[22:22] <ikonia> you asked for every day of the month even if it had 28/29/30 days
[22:23] <ikonia> now you want it on the first of each month
[22:23] <ikonia> those are two different things
[22:23] <subz3r0> not really
[22:23] <ikonia> yes, they are
[22:23] <subz3r0> it should start at the first day of a month, doesnt matter how many days a month has
[22:23] <subz3r0> that was the question
[22:23] <ikonia> you didn't ask for the first day of every month
[22:24] <ikonia> if you want it the first day of every month - you have the syntax correct, although I advise you to use 00 or 01 rather than 0 and 1
 subz3r0: what do you actually want ?
 a job every 1. day in a month
[22:25] <subz3r0> subz3r0> no matter if the month has 28 30 31 days
 just the first day of a month
[22:25] <jackarius86> how to convert m4a to mp3 without using ffmpeg? for some reason the only way you can do it on the web is by using ffmpeg :/
[22:27] <subz3r0> jackarius86: use avconf
[22:27] <subz3r0> ;)
[22:28] <jackarius86> subz3r0: avconf?
[22:28] <jackarius86> unable to locate..?
[22:29] <subz3r0> https://libav.org/avconv.html
[22:30] <skinux> Anyone provide a good link for moving Ubuntu installation to another partition and properly updating (UEFI) boot menu?
[22:30] <skinux> Also, is an Ubuntu App the same as any other application that can run on Ubuntu or something more specific to Ubuntu?
[22:31] <subz3r0> sudo apt-get install libav-tools
[22:31] <jackarius86> ohhh, avconV
[22:31] <jackarius86> theres a V at the end :P
[22:31] <subz3r0> its some kind of a fork of ffmpeg
[22:32] <subz3r0> bye
[22:33] <estudiante> hola
[22:34] <estudiante> hola
[22:46] <Etriaph> ikonia: Found the solution.
[22:46] <Etriaph> ikonia: php5enmod pgsql
[22:47] <kartK1> skinux: http://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation this guide helped me before.
[23:04] <mkdmz> How do I create new mimetypes?  Not finding solutions that work online.
[23:04]  * hayrom new canal #cvv2
[23:05] <nico103> hi
[23:06] <nico103> question #1: can I install older glibcs for the purpose of building (linking) software so it will run on older Linux systems?
[23:06] <OerHeks> mkdmz, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingMimeTypes
[23:06] <mkdmz> OerHeks: I followed that, din work.
[23:07] <nico103> question #2: if I install from an old Ubuntu 11 ISO, will that really install 11, or will it upgrade to something newer, or will it fail?  (maybe repos not available?)
[23:07] <OerHeks> mkdmz, after adding mimetype, did you logout/login again ?
[23:07] <mkdmz> yep
[23:08] <mkdmz> I tried both methods as well.
[23:10] <OerHeks> nico103, old repo's are gone, but are available with a trick https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Requirements see the old-release part
[23:10] <OerHeks> mkdmz, i have no clue, maybe the mimetype is in use, or added wrong
[23:10] <nico103> OerHeks: good to know
[23:11] <nico103> OerHeks: what about older glibcs?
[23:11] <nico103> would it be sane to build an older glibc, point the toolchain at it?
[23:11] <mkdmz> OerHeks: It's not in use.  I grep first.  Now I grep after following thost short instructions and it included.
[23:12] <nico103> OerHeks: alternatively, are there other distros I should use for this purpose?
[23:12] <OerHeks> nico103, i don't know about that, glibc
[23:13] <nico103> OerHeks: as to the old-releases thing, if I'm installing from an ISO, how do I patch /etc/apt/sources.list?
[23:14] <OerHeks> nico103, just install an old release without internet, and edit sources after installation/reboot i guess
[23:14] <nico103> ah, ok
[23:14] <nico103> thanks
[23:14] <nico103> that makes sense :)
[23:14] <nico103> duh :)
[23:14] <mkdmz> OerHeks: Would I matter if I am using Lubuntu?
[23:15] <mkdmz> I don't see the new icon for files with my new extension.
[23:15] <OerHeks> mkdmz, not likely lubuntu is better in doing mimetypes
[23:16] <mkdmz> OerHeks: Woudl it matter that I am testing this on a live disk?
[23:16] <OerHeks> mkdmz, yes, logout does not work does it?
[23:17] <mkdmz> OerHeks: It logs me out of the live user, I just log back in like usual.
[23:18] <OerHeks> mkdmz, never heard of that
[23:19] <OerHeks> maybe someone else is capable of answering that question
[23:19] <mkdmz> OerHeks: Do you think maybe the icon should be copied somewhere else, instead of the gnome folder?  the text-x-extension.svg file?
[23:20] <mkdmz> OerHeks: Could you suggest someone who might now?
[23:23] <mkdmz> _[myth: you around?
[23:23] <McMido> guys how to setup compiz fusion
[23:24] <mkdmz> _Trullo: u around?
[23:24] <maxxx> is this normal?
[23:24] <maxxx> http://pastebin.com/q1vf8kjq
[23:25] <mkdmz> _ruben: Are you round?
[23:26] <mkdmz> _polto_: are you around?
[23:28] <mkdmz> _NiC: Are you around?
[23:29] <mkdmz> _marix: Are you around?
[23:30] <Redban> how to download x11 package?
[23:30] <Beldar> McMido, what desktop, unity is a plugin in compiz.
[23:32] <McMido> yes
[23:32] <McMido> Beldar: yes :D
[23:32] <McMido> Beldar: ubuntu 14.4 , unity
[23:33] <Beldar> McMido, And what do you want to do with compiz?
[23:33] <McMido> Beldar:  i want to install it :
[23:34] <Beldar> McMido, It is already installed is it you want to config it?
[23:34] <McMido> Beldar:  Yes :D
[23:35] <Beldar> McMido, It has a a lot of controls and being that the unity desktop is a plugin in it you can easily loose the desktop, so my advice is don't touch it.
[23:36] <Beldar> or be prepared to really mess up, it can easily happen
[23:36] <McMido> Beldar: well i will make a backup , then start playing around with it
[23:37] <Beldar> McMido, install the compizconfig-setting-manager it had the most controls and is a gui.
[23:38] <Beldar> it has a backup as it is you can make in it,
[23:38] <McMido> Beldar: oh okey i istalled it
[23:40] <Beldar> McMido, I run the gnome shell so do not have direct access to it, and don't really remember it all, so others help is needed. When I did mess with it I used web info, probably lots still out there, find 14.04 info is all.
[23:40] <McMido> Beldar: Ah Ok ty :)
[23:41] <Beldar> McMido, No prob, note that some changes will have delays and make it do what looks like a de restart sop be patient. ;)
[23:41] <Beldar> slight delays
[23:41] <McMido> Beldar: Oh That's g good note :) ty
[23:42] <Beldar> McMido, Yeah without knowing this it could seem disconcerting.
[23:49] <genitrust_> hey everyone! i have a server that is giving the internet to all other computers on the network through eth1  <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:49] <genitrust_> ...but for the machines (there are many) that grab the DNS automatically from my gateway, how do I tell these machines to use <IP_ADDRESS> as the default DNS?
[23:51] <mkdmz> _KaszpiR_: Do you know how to add mimetypes?
[23:55] <boov> hi fucing niggers
[23:55] <boov> you need troubles?
[23:55] <Beldar> genitrust_, YOU might ask in #ubuntu-server
[23:55] <genitrust_> thanks Beldar  :)
[23:56] <Beldar> genitrust_, No prob, just seems a bit slow here.
[23:56] <genitrust_> ya man, i appreciate it :)
[23:56] <rorre> I want to download any flash video from web. What's the easiest way? i'm on ubuntu 14.04
[23:57] <memereaka> Bonsoir maman, bonsoir les petits chats
[23:57] <Teltariat> rorre: you could try youtube-dl
[23:57] <Beldar> !fr | memereaka
[23:57] <skinux> Is it wise to move /usr directories to another partition for disk space purposes?
[23:57] <rorre> Is it an application or brwoser plugin?
[23:57] <Teltariat> rorre: command line
[23:57] <Teltariat> rorre: there's also http://www.clipconverter.cc/
[23:58] <rorre> Can it download any video from web?
[23:58] <Beldar> skinux, If you have space the resize the partitions
[23:58] <Beldar> then*
[23:58] <Jordan_U> rorre: It can download most. There is no single solution that can download *all* videos (or even the subset of flash videos).
[23:58] <zaishen> guildwars game can run on ubuntu?
[23:59] <skinux> I have 60G unallocated, but GParted won't resize Ubuntu partition to be larger.
[23:59] <rorre> I have paid for a e-learning course, but the bastard just let me see each video 5 times
[23:59] <Beldar> skinux, Has to be done from a live cd


[00:37] <NCommander> lamont, how fast are the HPPA machines in the DC?
[00:37]  * NCommander also notes ia64 had two days of uninterrupted building while i386 and amd64 were broken
[01:22] <lamont> hppa was broken for part of that too
[01:22] <lamont> j6750x2+j6700, and then I think that wongi is a 6750 as well
[01:23] <lamont> mind you, at the point that ia64 was in the lead, mass give-back on all but ia64/sparc had just been done.  since then, ia64 and sparc got givenback too
[01:59] <NCommander> lamont, I just find it kinda sad that HP has killed hppa in favor of itanitic :-/
[02:06] <lamont> that's _so_ 5+ years ago
[05:53] <NCommander> lamont, HP announced it in 2008
[05:54] <NCommander> (I just found out myself a few weeks ago though :-/)


[12:22] <ajmitch> hard choices, should I do simple-patchsys or dpatch for this package? :)
[12:23] <mbreit> ajmitch: i would say, if you use cdbs use the first.. if not, use dpatch...
[12:23] <ajmitch> well I'd rather not use a patch system at all & convert all these packages to baz archives
[12:23] <crimsun> I'd use simple-patchsys only because I'm used to it, but cdbs is fair game.
[12:24] <ajmitch> but that will take a bit longer to setup
[12:28] <janimonoses> hey crimsun
[12:29] <janimonoses> so far I only closed the MOM bugs
[12:29] <janimonoses> some more xfce packages built after the clean sync but many didn't still
[12:29] <janimonoses> I am looking at weird build failures
[12:37] <ajmitch> please
[12:53] <crimsun> janimonoses: ok.
[12:53] <crimsun> I'm looking at xfce-mcs-manager now.
[12:58] <janimonoses> crimsun, I think I saw similar pkg-config errors in hoary but I don't know in which package and more importantly how did the problem go away :)
[01:03] <crimsun> janimonoses: hard-wired configure.ac, mostly
[01:05] <dholbach> mdz: we're meeting in #ubuntu-meeting - if you wanted to join us
[01:05] <ogra> yay mdz
[01:05] <dholbach> mdz: point 5 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting
[01:05] <ogra> we're discussing config{sub,guess} handling in the pacjage
[01:06] <ogra> by default dh_make places the copying in the clean target, that means i clutter my diff.gz totally... whats the rationale for that
[01:06] <ogra> ?
[01:07] <ogra> grmpf... talking to myself here
[01:09] <bddebian> ogra: :-)
[01:11] <Burgundavia> ogra, well, tuxtype has legal issues as well
[01:11] <ogra> hrmpf
[01:12] <Burgundavia> but a new upstream, not yet in debian might solve it
[01:12] <Burgundavia> see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=218908
[01:13] <Burgundavia> without that new upstream version, I don't see pitti approving it
[01:17] <Burgundavia> ogra, can you help me with FHS and Debian Policy stuff?
[01:17] <ajmitch> what FHSisms are at issue?
[01:17] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, no, just checking that packages meet those
[01:18] <ogra> Burgundavia, sure... but currently i'm in motu meeting... and if the packages come from deban we dont need to care about FHS i think
[01:18] <Burgundavia> I honestly have no idea where to start looking
[01:18] <Burgundavia> ogra, can I assume all debian packages meet both, or there would be bugs about it?
[01:19] <ogra> yep the latter
[01:19] <Burgundavia> ok
[01:23] <Burgundavia> ogra, we have to move an entire source package, no?
[01:24] <ogra> Burgundavia, either that, or modify and split the binary targets that get built from it
[01:25] <Burgundavia> this is one of those huge kde packages
[01:25] <Burgundavia> kdeedu
[01:30] <ogra> do we need that ? i thought we only need pieces...
[01:31] <Burgundavia> we need all but about 3 parts
[01:32] <Burgundavia> the japanese lang stuff
[01:35] <Burgundavia> ogra, shall we just pull in the remain few things?
[01:36] <ogra> hmm, can we postpone that decision ? i' currently in the mou meeting and working since 16h or more...
[01:36] <Burgundavia> ogra, ok
[01:36] <Burgundavia> shall I email edubuntu-devel about it?
[01:51] <dholbach> good night everybody
[01:55] <ogra> Burgundavia, probaly good as a reminder
[01:55] <comadreja> ogra: I have some minor problems, do you have a bit of time for me ?
[01:55] <comadreja> ogra: or maybe refer me to somebody else I could ask for help...
[01:56] <ogra> what is it comadreja ?
[01:56] <comadreja> launchpad doesn't let me join the team moto and motuim
[01:57] <comadreja> and I haven't received yet acknowledge for my key, CoC signature
[01:57] <ogra> comadreja, someone has to add you
[01:57] <comadreja> it doesn't let me even be a proposed member
[01:58] <ogra> mako was travelling, he just arrived home... give him some time to catch up with mails and poke him online
[01:58] <comadreja> oh, I see, could you add me to the motu team ?
[02:00] <ogra> comadreja, you launchpad name ?
[02:00] <ogra> your
[02:01] <comadreja> ogra, jorge-drqueue ?
[02:02] <ogra><EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[02:02] <comadreja> yes
[02:02] <ogra> added
[02:02] <comadreja> thanks !!
[02:02] <comadreja> you rock :D
[02:03] <ogra> its two clicks ;)
[02:04] <comadreja> hey why is everybody administrator and me only approved ? :D
[02:04] <ogra> changed, sorry :)
[02:04] <comadreja> just kidding, I thought it was right :)
[02:05] <ogra> every approved member should be able to change stuff for motu ;)
[02:06] <comadreja> oh, I see
[02:10] <mbreit> i will go to bed now, too...
[02:10] <mbreit> good night everybody!
[02:10] <comadreja> nite mbreit
[02:28] <robitaille> ~/quit
[02:30] <Burgundavia> ogra, I will email edubuntu-devel. I should also be able to have most of the reports finished tonight
[02:30] <ogra> wow
[02:31] <ogra> Burgundavia, you rock  !!
[02:31] <Burgundavia> it just means I have to knuckle down
[02:31] <Burgundavia> making the reports is quite tedious
[02:32] <ogra> yes, but there are some heavy things in the list.. i'll have to add a lot later and ahve to change several dependencys of the packages
[02:33] <Burgundavia> the servers apps I would like you to do
[02:33] <Burgundavia> I don't trust that I have the right knowledge
[02:33] <ogra> sure, no prob... especially since we dont know yet if we go with php4 or 5
[02:33] <ogra> i have to rebuild and test the packages first
[02:34] <Burgundavia> the desktop stuff is pretty easy and I haven'
[02:34] <ogra> but currently my nightmare has the name gcompris... it wont compile with gcc-4.0
[02:34] <Burgundavia> the kdeedu stuff is going to be easy
[02:35] <Burgundavia> I don't anticipate any problems there
[03:17] <tseng> hi
[03:17] <ajmitch> ogra: do you know if gcompris FTBFS in sid as well? I don't see the bugreport there
[03:17] <ajmitch> how's it going, tseng ?
[03:18] <tseng> meh
[03:18] <ajmitch> one of those weeks?
[03:18] <ogra> ajmitch, nope, but on all gcc-4.0 based distros
[03:19] <ogra> cvs works fine here, i'll fix our package tomorrow
[03:19] <ajmitch> ogra: ok, I guess someone is yet to file a sid bug (hint, hint) *g*
[03:19] <ogra> ajmitch, i'll do this as well, but i cant wait anymore for debian...
[03:20] <ogra> *g*
[03:20] <ajmitch> ogra: I know, I don't want to put any more pressure on you
[03:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: whyever not?
[03:20] <ajmitch> summaries of meetings is nice & easy :)
[03:20] <ogra> ajmitch, i work better under pressure ;)
[03:21] <ajmitch> so do I, funnily enough
[03:21] <ogra> but the only thing that is able to give me pressure is a calendar :)
[03:22] <ajmitch> of course I only found out about it yesterday ;)
[03:23] <ogra> fun :)
[03:23] <ajmitch> sure is
[03:23] <ajmitch> not as fun as fixing unmet deps though
[03:24] <bddebian> Heh
[03:24] <bddebian> OK, ice cream time, later gang
[03:24] <ajmitch> bye bddebian
[03:27] <ajmitch> if I touch it & don't file a debian bug, doko would hunt me down ;)
[03:27] <ogra> ciao bddebian
[05:45] <Burgundavia> ogra, you are aware that audacity is still borked on breezy
[05:47] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: how so?
[05:48] <ajmitch> please give some details of how I broke it, please :)
[05:48] <bddebian> eh
[05:48] <bddebian> Err heh even
[05:48] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, cannot find default sound device
[05:49] <crimsun> even if /dev/dsp is free?
[05:49] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:49] <Burgundavia> bloody hell, malone is borked right now
[05:49] <ajmitch> ok..
[05:49] <Burgundavia> it might just be my system
[05:49] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  Malone seems to work for me
[05:49] <Burgundavia> I type is the search bar and go here
[05:50] <robitaille> I was looking at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/337
[05:50] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/
[05:50] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/ works for me...
[05:50] <Burgundavia> yes, but I don't go to that page
[05:51] <Burgundavia> my url stays the search one
[05:51] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you are doing alsa stuff no?
[05:52] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: nope, crimsun is
[05:52] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:52] <ajmitch> I try & ignore the details of sound stuff as much as possible :)
[05:53] <Burgundavia> crimsun, are we waiting on a sync from debian with alsa?
[05:53] <crimsun> Burgundavia: which source package?
[05:53] <ajmitch> considering that they don't even use ubuntu1
[05:53] <ajmitch> crimsun: look at malone #407 & lart them :)
[05:54] <Burgundavia> crimsun, -base and -utils
[05:54] <Burgundavia> sorry, -driver
[05:55] <crimsun> Burgundavia: perhaps 4
[05:55] <crimsun> (-4)
[05:55] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:58] <robitaille> ajmitch:  well...if you can't listen to your mp3s on your sb16 card, that's a real emergency :)
[05:59] <ajmitch> robitaille: I've still got an sb16pnp in a breezy box here :)
[05:59] <ajmitch> I can't remember the last time it actually worked
[06:00] <crimsun> snd-sb16 should work fine with it if it's a genuine SB16 PNP
[06:02] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[06:05] <ajmitch> crimsun: sure, but my card is probably dead
[06:07] <ajmitch> isa deserves to be relegated to the history books :)
[06:29] <chillywilly> barry is a wimp
[06:30] <chillywilly> :)
[06:30] <chillywilly> who the hell needs sleep anyway?
[06:33] <ajmitch> I don't see you volunteering to help out with everything ;)
[06:36] <chillywilly> I attempted to build some packages that had unmet deps but this guy ajmitch took away all my fun :)
[06:37] <ajmitch> that's what I'm here for
[06:40] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, you tried planner?
[06:41] <chillywilly> wassat? ;)
[06:42] <chillywilly> oh, project replacement
[06:42] <Burgundavia> pretty much dead
[06:42] <Burgundavia> needs someone who likes to hack something like that
[06:42] <chillywilly> I'd rather have something web based
[06:42] <Burgundavia> which is pretty much nobody
[06:42] <chillywilly> dotproject looked promising
[06:43] <chillywilly> but I figure I will just learn stinking M$ Project for now and then find something web based later on
[08:06] <dabaR> Hi. Is there a bum package for ubuntu anywhere?
[08:07] <Burgundavia> dabaR, just got synced
[08:08] <dabaR> was that mean?
[08:09] <dabaR> haha
[08:09] <dabaR> that did not mean what I meant.
[08:09] <ajmitch> he means 'yes'
[08:09] <dabaR> What do you mean synced?
[08:09] <dabaR> ok, coolness.
[08:09] <dabaR> so, in one of the repos for hoary?
[08:09] <ajmitch> probably breezy
[08:10] <ajmitch> it would only be in hoary if it were backported
[08:10] <dabaR> hm...so should one isntall it onto hoary, what is your estimate?
[08:10] <Lathiat> dabaR: it wont happen unless someone begs for it to go into backports, and assuming it can easily go into backports
[08:11] <dabaR> so not just install the breezy version onto hoary?
[08:12] <ajmitch> it's often not a good idea
[08:13] <dabaR> so, yall been warned type of deal...ok, thank you guys.
[09:37] <Burgundavia> Natja, please turn that off
[09:40] <chillywilly> hmmm, MS Project must die
[09:47] <siretart> morning, folks
[10:01] <Amaranth> Natja: Please turn that off.
[10:06] <Burgundavia> hmm --> http://users.on.net/~spohlenz/ubuntu/
[10:10] <siretart> Burgundavia: what is with that?
[10:10] <Burgundavia> basic little tool to install ndiswrapper stuff, graphically
[10:10] <siretart> cool
[10:11] <Burgundavia> there are even sources there
[10:11] <Burgundavia> I have asked the author to come here
[10:11] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=286024&posted=1#post286024
[10:12] <siretart> I don't use ndiswrapper, but he is welcome to upload that package to revu
[10:12] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:17] <Burgundavia> that ndiswrapper thing is even written in python
[10:18] <siretart> cool
[10:18] <Burgundavia> the UI cannot be simpler
[10:21] <Burgundavia> siretart, http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ndisgtk0zc.png
[10:23] <siretart> looking nice, indeed
[10:24] <Burgundavia> this one we might want to push into main
[10:26] <niran> it's another summer of code project: http://spohlenz.blogspot.com/
[10:26] <Burgundavia> oh
[10:26] <Burgundavia> didn't know that
[10:27] <Burgundavia> that is why it is written in python
[10:29] <niran> it's for this spec: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalConfigTools
[10:30] <Burgundavia> given that all the ones on that page got done by gnome in .12, I wondered what they would do
[10:30] <tamir>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 275364547
[10:30] <Burgundavia> tamir, oops
[10:30] <Burgundavia> tamir, you know that xchat can autoidentify for you?
[10:31] <tamir> damit
[10:31] <tamir> oh doesn't matter, I don't care of this
[10:33] <Burgundavia> I find it interesting who is fetching that atheros project stuff
[10:37] <siretart> do you mean madwifi?
[10:37] <siretart> who is caring for this?
[10:38] <Burgundavia> no
[10:38] <Burgundavia> fedora got a soc to reverse engineer the atheros driver
[10:38] <Burgundavia> http://computer-lab.blogspot.com/
[10:39] <Burgundavia> fedora and ubuntu both got bounties to write simple backup things. Both to be written in python
[10:41] <niran> i could search... but where are the fedora bounties?
[10:42] <Burgundavia> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraBounties
[10:42] <niran> thanks
[10:43] <Burgundavia> I really hope in the next month we get a flood of releasing stuff
[10:43] <Burgundavia> because it is all quiet on the western front with some people
[10:43] <niran> yeah, there's a few of the ubuntu bounties that i havent heard anything about
[10:44] <Burgundavia> one has already been dropped
[10:44] <Burgundavia> the xen stuff
[10:44] <niran> yeah, i saw that
[10:45] <niran> i don't know how many of them realize that the projects are supposed to be finished by feature freeze
[10:45] <niran> i.e. one week
[10:45] <Burgundavia> ouch
[10:46] <Burgundavia> features after feature freeze make the doc team hunt you down and kill you
[10:46] <niran> exactly
[10:46] <niran> i'd like to live
[10:46] <niran> there are still a couple of big things i need to do in the next week
[10:46] <niran> it should be interesting
[10:46] <niran> and next week is my physics final
[10:46] <niran> fun.
[10:47] <siretart> what?!
[10:47] <siretart> xen has been dropped?! why that?
[10:47] <niran> the bounty reciever never replied
[10:47] <Treenaks> that, and the hype has died down
[10:48] <siretart> :(
[10:48] <siretart> is there some mail about that decision? or blog entry?
[10:48] <niran> hm... i thought the breezygoals page said it, but now it says it's assigned
[10:49] <niran> did someone else get it afterwards?
[10:49] <Burgundavia> deferred
[10:49] <niran> ah, it's here: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties
[10:49] <siretart> err, I thought ed despard was working on this
[10:50] <siretart> he wrote this in a mail to ubuntu-devel on Jul 5
[10:51] <niran> ah, i see the mail
[10:51] <niran> maybe it will actually happen
[10:53] <Burgundavia> all the google stuff I want to see happen, but your stuff niran was probably the best
[10:54] <niran> :) that's why i picked it
[10:54] <Burgundavia> I am glad you have not gone awol
[10:54] <niran> i think it'll really nelp new users that are used to the windows way to install programs
[10:54] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:54] <Burgundavia> synaptic + my step-mother = evil
[10:54] <niran> haha
[10:55] <Burgundavia> let alone CLI stuff
[10:55] <niran> i think what really helps in terms of the bounties is that i was already around the community beforehand, so i kind of knew how things worked
[10:55] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:55] <Burgundavia> dropping in and starting something like g-a-i is hard
[10:56] <niran> i still had to spend lots of time learning random things
[10:56] <niran> it's my first real pygtk program
[10:57] <niran> plus, it's using libraries with no documentation
[10:57] <niran> fun.
[10:57] <Burgundavia> when does google want the project to be done by?
[10:57] <niran> sept 1
[10:57] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:57] <Burgundavia> and who upchecks you?
[10:57] <niran> our mentor
[10:57] <niran> for me, mvo
[10:57] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:59] <Burgundavia> is the plan to make g-a-i agnostic of dpkg and push it upstream?
[11:01] <niran> ultimately, sure
[11:01] <niran> if fedora or someone shows interest, i'll try to abstract away the apt-isms
[11:01] <niran> but for now it's not worth it
[11:01] <Burgundavia> ya
[11:02] <niran> what i'm more concerned about is making it easy for someone to do a kde port
[11:02] <niran> but... it's tied pretty closely to the gui, so it'd take a lot of new code
[11:02] <niran> one gtk program won't hurt kubuntu people
[11:03] <Lathiat> ITS MURDER
[11:03] <koke> niran: BTW, if you want to look at my old notes about FindingPackages http://wiki.amedias.org/wk/FindingPackages
[11:03] <niran> koke, cool, thanks
[11:03] <niran> Lathiat, you'll live :)
[11:04] <koke> I've just seen rrdtool binary is in universe but source is in main
[11:04] <koke> is it normal? have I missed a layout change? :)
[11:59] <Burgundavia> night
[02:06] <herve> hello
[02:07] <ajmitch> hey herve
[02:07] <\sh> hey herve
[02:07] <\sh> tseng: what must I read now on p.u.c? u had a surgery?
[02:07] <ajmitch> \sh!
[02:08] <tseng> \sh: i did.
[02:08] <tseng> yesterday
[02:08] <ajmitch> must have been fun
[02:08] <tseng> much better now
[02:08] <\sh> tseng: I hope nothing serious....a new arm or something for faster typing?
[02:08] <ajmitch> recovering ok then?
[02:08] <tseng> yep
[02:08] <tseng> \sh: i am the 6 million dollar man
[02:08] <tseng> \sh: no.. read the post before
[02:10] <\sh> tseng: ay...this is not good..
[02:11] <ajmitch> no, it's obvious he needs motu work to keep his mind off things
[02:12] <\sh> i believe it came with the mono work...MS stuff is not healthy at all...try to work on python stuff, tseng, or perl, and everything will be fine
[02:12] <tseng> i am not that interested in mono in and of itself, believe it or not
[02:13] <ajmitch> mainly in the apps?
[02:13] <Treenaks> tseng: so you're not Miguel's clone?
[02:13] <tseng> its the apps that run on mono that i am in love with
[02:13] <tseng> Treenaks: no.
[02:14] <\sh> tseng: as your doc I will give you the advise..leave mono for a while and concentrate on soft stuff like python or perl ,-)
[02:14] <tseng> haha
[02:14] <tseng> i do tcl and php at work
[02:14] <ajmitch> miguel can be quite entertaining
[02:14] <tseng> ajmitch++
[02:16] <tseng> bradb: yo yo
[02:19] <ajmitch> how's the launchpad sprint going/gone in .br?
[02:19] <bradb> hey tseng, how's it going?
[02:19] <tseng> bradb: not too bad, yourself?
[02:20] <bradb> good thanks. busy spec'ing in brazil.
[02:20] <tseng> yeah, brazil :)
[02:21] <ajmitch> great, malone is looking better these days :)
[02:43] <CarlFK> how do I tell what libavifile-0.7-dev depends on?
[02:45] <ajmitch> apt-cache depends libavifile-0.7-dev
[02:45] <CarlFK> thanks
[02:47] <ajmitch> and grep-dctrl tells me that only drip & dvr build-depend on it
[02:48] <CarlFK>  transcode apparently does
[02:48] <CarlFK> but  libavifile-0.7-dev wont install
[02:48] <CarlFK> libavifile-0.7-dev: Conflicts: libavifile-0.7 but 1:<IP_ADDRESS>50224-1ubuntu4 is to be installed
[02:49] <ajmitch> right, I just checked universe, not multiverse :)
[02:50] <ajmitch> perhaps it's a package that hasn't progressed through NEW due to a c++ transition or similar?
[02:51] <ajmitch> or I think the depends/conflicts is a mess
[02:53] <CarlFK> should I post this to the -devel list?
[02:54] <ajmitch> possibly, I'm not sure if anyone plans to fix it there
[02:54] <ajmitch> since it's a universe issue
[02:54] <CarlFK> ah
[02:54] <CarlFK> so where?
[02:54] <ajmitch> file bugs in malone
[02:55] <CarlFK> I have heard of that... where is it?
[02:55] <ajmitch> launchpad.net/malone
[02:56] <CarlFK> thanks
[03:06] <CarlFK> so do I register libavifile as a product?
[03:06] <tseng> no
[03:07] <tseng> oh wow @ new malone page
[03:07] <tseng> CarlFK: File bug on a package
[03:07] <CarlFK> which package?
[03:07] <tseng> libavifile?
[03:08] <CarlFK> ah - i see package now
[03:08] <tseng> bradb: i am loving malone.
[03:09] <CarlFK> how do I search for libavifile?
[03:10] <tseng> view ubuntu bugs
[03:10] <tseng> on the front page
[03:12] <bradb> tseng: really, that's good to hear
[03:12] <bradb> tseng: have you noticed significant improvements of late?
[03:12] <tseng> it looks like you fixed alot of my problems
[03:13] <tseng> bradb: im just now seeing the new updates, i must have not been on the page for awhile
[03:13] <ajmitch> yeah, malone is certainly more usable now
[03:13] <tseng> but oh
[03:13] <tseng> i got some malone spam
[03:13] <tseng> should i fwd to you
[03:13] <ogra> bradb, hey... have a look at
[03:13] <ogra> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/768
[03:13] <ogra>  ... any chance to avoid autoresponder spam from users ?
[03:13] <tseng> ah, right
[03:14] <ajmitch> because we get that spam now that the bugs are assigned to us
[03:14] <ajmitch> that's what we had to ask about - getting a mailing list subscribed instead of all the MOTU team
[03:15] <ogra> the bugsummary is worth making a poster of it  :)
[03:15] <tseng> what about an alias
[03:15] <tseng> rather than a list
[03:15] <ogra> 2.0.1-7ubuntu2 fubar, rebuilt 2.0.4-1 from Debian Testing fine
[03:15] <bradb> sorry guys, getting kind of distracted over here in .br. in the middle of writing Malone specs.
[03:15] <bradb> next landing is a CVE report for the distribution
[03:15] <tseng> thats what gentoo does, as \sh is so fond of pointing out :P
[03:16] <bradb> by tomorrowish, we should have landed the source package bugs listing
[03:16] <ajmitch> sweet
[03:21] <CarlFK> shouldn't "source package name" be libavifile-0.7-dev or something similar?
[03:23] <mbreit> source package name of libavifile is "avifile"
[03:23] <mbreit> see apt-cache show libavifile-0.7-dev
[03:23] <CarlFK> thanks
[03:24] <mbreit> btw: could someone please review my gnomeradio package?
[03:24] <mbreit> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=292
[03:39] <ajmitch> should I bother to fix the speedtouch package? since apparantly it isn't needed for kernels >= 2.6.10
[03:39] <tseng> sounds like a -devel list question
[03:39] <havoc> what is speedtouch?
[03:39] <tseng> see if anyone stil has a need
[03:40] <ajmitch> havoc: dsl modem driver
[03:40] <havoc> ah
[03:40] <ajmitch> there's a kernel driver, and 2.6.10 has it's own firmware loader that this package supplied
[03:42] <havoc> DSL sucks
[03:42] <havoc> at least SBC's DSL sucks
[03:43] <ajmitch> so does everything else, but DSL just sucks less
[03:43] <havoc> SBC's is pretty bad as far as reliability goes
[03:43] <havoc> I have many clients who have no other option other than SBC DSL and it is nothing but problems
[03:44] <havoc> most of the issues related to PPPoE
[03:44] <ajmitch> and there's only 1 dsl provider here
[03:44] <havoc> or rather their implementation of PPPoE
[03:44] <havoc> ajmitch: SBC?
[03:44] <tseng> you guys dont do cable?
[03:44] <ajmitch> no...
[03:44] <ajmitch> this is new zealand, why would we have SBC? :)
[03:44] <havoc> ajmitch: duh, I forgot :)
[03:44] <ajmitch> there is cable in only a couple of areas in NZ
[03:45] <ajmitch> but telecom NZ has the DSL monopoly
[03:45] <highvoltage> hi guys
[03:45] <zul> powered by sheep?
[03:45] <tseng> is this "the" jono?
[03:45] <ajmitch> no, hot air piped in from parliament :P
[03:47] <zul> hehe
[03:47] <ajmitch> looks like backports mono is failing on the buildd due to build-deps
[03:47] <tseng> which?
[03:47] <ajmitch> 36	 cli-common: Depends: mono-utils but it is not installable or
[03:48] <ajmitch> 37	cil-disassembler but it is not installable
[03:48] <ajmitch> just the usual
[03:48] <tseng> oh right..
[03:48] <tseng> buh
[03:48] <ajmitch> that's why I specified backports before getting you worried
[03:48] <tseng> yes i forgot to tell them to bootstrap it
[03:49] <highvoltage> tseng: what do you mean by "the" jono?
[03:49] <tseng> ill get Mez up to speed when im not hopped up on drugs
[03:49] <tseng> highvoltage: jono bacon
[03:49] <highvoltage> oh, no.
[03:49] <highvoltage> my name is jonathan :)
[03:51] <tseng> heh.
[04:00] <\sh> going home...later dudes
[04:20] <Mez> ajmitch, mono failing on buildd? tseng told me it built fine
[04:21] <tseng> Mez: you need to cut build-deps to start
[04:21] <tseng> its funny
[04:21] <tseng> we can talk about it later
[04:21] <Mez> ??
[04:21] <tseng> ??
[04:22] <tseng> its a bootstrap dude
[04:22] <tseng> mono build-dep cli common, cli-common dep mono
[04:22] <tseng> you have to work around first upload
[04:22] <Mez> ah fair enough
[04:22] <tseng> we'll talk later
[04:22] <Mez> tseng: fair enough - you'll have to poke me and stuff
[04:22] <Mez> I cant see it failing though
[04:22] <tseng> yep
[04:23] <tseng> aj says it is
[04:23] <tseng> i believe everything he says.
[04:23] <Mez> ah yes it is
[04:24] <Mez> but cli-common is building ok
[04:24] <Mez> well, i386 is anyways
[04:24] <tseng> yes but its uninstallable
[04:24] <tseng> is the point
[04:24] <Mez> ah, yes :D I see what you mean now
[04:25] <Mez> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[04:26] <Mez> grr
[04:26] <Mez> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:26] <Mez>   cli-common: Depends: mono-utils but it is not installable or
[04:26] <Mez>                        cil-disassembler but it is not installable
[04:26] <Mez>               Depends: mono-mcs but it is not installable or
[04:26] <Mez>                        strong-name-tool but it is not installable
[04:26] <Mez> E: Broken packages
[04:26] <tseng> yes
[04:26] <tseng> so the deal is
[04:26] <tseng> oh wow
[04:26] <tseng> how are we going to do this
[04:26] <tseng> if everything has to be pulled from breezy
[04:27] <Mez> tseng: how did you get it to build for hoary?
[04:27] <tseng> hoary was totally different
[04:27] <tseng> and much worse
[04:27] <tseng> oh.. how did i do the backport?
[04:28] <tseng> i commented out cli-common build dep
[04:28] <tseng> and dh_*cli* in rules
[04:28] <tseng> built once
[04:28] <tseng> then cli-common is installable
[04:28] <tseng> put it all back, built again
[04:28] <tseng> done.
[04:28] <Mez> so you basically made a fake pacakge for cli-common
[04:28] <tseng> but you cant make changes to the packages
[04:29] <tseng> yes
[04:29] <tseng> a bootstrap
[04:29] <Mez> hmmles
[04:34] <Mez> tseng: I think we can probably get this to work, it's just a PITA to get it to that point
[04:35] <tseng> ok
[04:35] <tseng> someone can insert it by hand
[04:35] <tseng> the dummy source, that is
[04:35] <tseng> and then do a normal backport
[04:35] <tseng> I think
[04:36] <chillywilly> Project too
[04:36] <chillywilly> what a useless tool...people just simply do not work this way
[04:37] <chillywilly> I am not a computer I don't do everything sequentially ;)
[04:37] <chillywilly> I also cannot predict the future
[04:38] <tamir> Does some one have freezing rhythembox problems?
[04:39] <tamir> I think it is something wrong with the package
[04:42] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:47] <Mez> tseng: brandon right?
[04:47] <tseng> yes
[04:48] <tseng> whats up?
[04:51] <Mez> just checking so I knew I was CC:ing the right person
[04:57] <bddebian> ogra: Ah, I thought I scared you away when I joined.. ;-)
[04:58] <ogra> bddebian, you did... but i recreated very fast today :P
[04:58] <bddebian> Heh
[04:58] <ogra> :)
[05:01] <siretart> release candidate 1 finished..
[05:03] <tseng> of revu2?
[05:04] <siretart> tseng: hehe, of my thesis ;)
[05:04] <tseng> oh.
[05:04] <siretart> but this means, I will soon have time to work on reu2
[05:04] <siretart> revu2
[05:05] <bddebian> Heh
[05:05] <tseng> i figured out why cover art fetching in muine is broken (and fixed it)
[05:05] <tseng> rock on.
[05:06] <bddebian> tseng++
[05:12] <bddebian> Heya majic
[05:12] <majic> hello bddebian
[05:13] <majic> how is the universe today?
[05:14] <bddebian> How would I know? :-)
[05:14] <terrex> i'm fine, thx
[05:14] <terrex> lol
[05:14] <majic> I suppose I need to get one of those fancy gpg key things...
[05:15] <bddebian> majic: If you want to become an MOTU, yes :-)
[05:16] <majic> I'm researching it. I never messed with gnupg before.
[05:23] <majic> so once I create a key, somebody will have to sign it so that it can become part of the strongly connected set?
[05:23] <bddebian> majic: Yes, basically
[05:58] <dholbach> hellas :)
[05:58] <dholbach> could somebody remove "danielholbach" from malone motu group and add "dh" instead? thanks :)
[05:59] <mbreit> hi dholbach... and thanks for the vote...
[05:59] <dholbach> mbreit: de rien :)
[06:01] <ogra> dholbach, any objection to do that yourself ?
[06:01] <ogra> i made all memebers admins
[06:02] <dholbach> ogra: danielholbach is a random crappy account
[06:02] <dholbach> ogra: dh is MY account
[06:02] <dholbach> :)
[06:02] <dholbach> that's my major objection which brought me here in the first place :-p
[06:03] <ogra> heh... ok, so if we want to see you here, we'll change your launchpad login in the future... great info ;)
[06:03] <dholbach> hahahahah
[06:03] <bddebian> Heya dholbach
[06:03] <dholbach> hey barry
[06:04] <tseng> dholbach!
[06:05] <dholbach> brandon! woohoo! - you're all here :)
[06:05] <tseng> sortof
[06:07] <dholbach> bddebian: super!
[06:09] <ogra> wow
[06:09] <ogra> thats fats
[06:09] <ogra> fast too
[06:09] <dholbach> i'm glad to see that everything's still the same... still REVIEW DAY! and ogra still struggles with his keyboard :-p
[06:09] <bddebian> Well, I didn't say they were right :-)
[06:10] <dholbach> ok, i'll be off cooking, before ogra slaps me too hard
[06:11] <ogra> dholbach, yes, but only because i broke it with my forehead hitting it caused by a gcompris desiase
[06:11] <dholbach> ogra: that's completely understandable
[06:11] <dholbach> ogra: ask herve on the side effects of extensive gcompris debugging
[06:11] <ogra> i fixed it... but python-gnome2-dev was broken.... costs me half a day...
[06:12] <herve> dholbach, 2 aspirins and a rope attached on the ceil
[06:13] <ogra> bddebian, thats a waste of aspirine
[06:36] <herve> hello, by the way
[06:37] <dholbach> :)
[06:38] <bddebian> Hello herve
[06:39] <herve> hello from Paris even :-)
[06:40] <bddebian> herve: Nice
[06:40] <dholbach> you're in paris?
[06:40] <dholbach> cool
[06:40] <dholbach> i'd love to get there once again
[06:42] <herve> Montmartre, Pigalle :-)
[06:42] <herve> a tv series was shot the whole day in front of our office
[06:43] <herve> there were sweet actresses :-)
[06:43] <bddebian> Heh
[07:22] <jeffm> hey guys
[07:22] <jeffm> can i install KDE on Ubuntu with no reprocussions?
[07:24] <dholbach> what's a reprocussion?
[07:25] <jeffm> will everything still work after i install KDE
[07:25] <dholbach> yes
[07:25] <jeffm> ok cool
[07:25] <dholbach> you can remove it afterwards as well (if you shouldn't like it)
[07:25] <jeffm> so its no big deal switching between KDE and GNOME
[07:25] <dholbach> not at all
[07:25] <jeffm> wicked
[07:25] <dholbach> you can choose the session type on the login screen
[07:25] <jeffm> are you on Ubuntu right now?
[07:25] <dholbach> yes
[07:26] <jeffm> whats its best feature??
[07:26] <dholbach> that's a good question, but i think after more than a year i haven't decided yet - maybe somebody else knows a good answer to that :)
[07:27] <jeffm> lol
[07:27] <jeffm> did you switch from micro$oft?
[07:27] <dholbach> i think it's closest to the "just works" ideal and i love it's community
[07:27] <jeffm> k
[07:27] <jeffm> lol
[07:27] <dholbach> that was no joke, i really do :)
[07:28] <jeffm> good
[07:28] <dholbach> so you're going to try ubuntu now?
[07:28] <jeffm> well, on Friday
[07:28] <dholbach> excellent
[07:28] <jeffm> im getting a laptop
[07:28] <jeffm> and im gonna put Ubuntu on it
[07:28] <highvoltage> cool
[07:28] <koke> jeffm: I installed kubuntu-desktop last week and works nice .)
[07:29] <dholbach> super, be sure to tell the mailing list how it all went
[07:29] <jeffm> isnt it in Beta?
[07:29] <dholbach> hoary is released
[07:29] <jeffm> ok
[07:29] <koke> jeffm: so it's breezy and I'm using it everyday :)
[07:29] <jeffm> whats the diff, besides KDE?
[07:29] <dholbach> breezy is still a bit bumpy and if you don't know where to look for errors it's a bit hard
[07:29] <dholbach> better stick to hoary still
[07:30] <koke> sure, hoary is nice enough :)
[07:30] <dholbach> if you install ubuntu, you can load the kubuntu-desktop package from the net (via synaptic) and be off just fine
[07:30] <jeffm> nice
[07:30] <koke> and there'snot much time left untils breezy becomes stable too
[07:30] <jeffm> i cant wait
[07:31] <jeffm> :D
[07:31] <dholbach> or install kubuntu hoary and load the ubuntu-desktop package (that's vice versa)
[07:31] <jeffm> yeah
[07:31] <koke> the result should be the same
[07:31] <dholbach> koke: 9 weeks or something
[07:31] <jeffm> ok, is the Ubuntu setup complicated?
[07:31] <dholbach> not at all
[07:31] <dholbach> should be pretty straight forward
[07:32] <dholbach> if you know partitioning from the windows world a bit, you shouldnt be afraid
[07:32] <dholbach> but there are setup guides out there
[07:33] <jeffm> ok nice
[09:06] <bddebian> ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[09:06] <bddebian> Everybody is busy working right? :)
[09:07] <chillywilly> yea right
[09:07] <chillywilly> need foof
[09:07] <chillywilly> food too
[09:08] <chillywilly> bye
[09:08] <bddebian> chillywilly!!!!
[09:34] <chillywilly> bddebian!
[09:34] <bddebian> chillywilly: You an MOTU yet? ;-)
[09:35] <chillywilly> no
[09:35] <chillywilly> u?
[09:40] <chillywilly> bddebian: you'll always be master of my universe ;)
[09:41] <tseng> uh
[09:42] <chillywilly> huh?
[09:43] <bddebian> chillywilly: ;-)
[09:43] <bddebian> chillywilly: tseng doesn't like me
[09:43] <chillywilly> tseng sucks then ;)
[09:43] <bddebian> Bah
[09:44] <Amaranth> err, reflex
[09:44] <Amaranth> ;)
[09:44] <Burgundavia> bddebian, if you don't dwell on it, tseng won
[09:44] <Burgundavia> t either
[09:44] <bddebian> Amaranth: What did I do?
[09:44] <Amaranth> i dunno
[09:44] <Amaranth> just felt like the right thing to do for some reason :D
[09:44] <chillywilly> *thwap*
[09:45] <tseng> bddebian: ive told you already
[09:45] <tseng> bddebian: i dont like you when you are running at the mouth and not contributing anything
[09:45] <tseng> im much more cooperative when the scale tips the other way
[09:45] <Riddell> ogra: I'm alowed to upload new stuff to universe yes?
[09:45] <tseng> stop telling everyone how I hate you, its more "annoyed"
[09:45] <ogra> Riddell, you ask *me* ?
[09:46] <ogra> Riddell, you were MOTU before me :)
[09:46] <tseng> mdz told me yes
[09:46] <Burgundavia> Riddell, for the record, I heard mdz say that new universe stuff is fine with him
[09:46] <Riddell> ogra: just checking status of version freeze
[09:46] <Riddell> Burgundavia: groovy
[09:46] <ogra> Riddell, we talked about it... i trust you wrt UVF
[09:46] <chillywilly> tseng: everyone has to start somewhere and bddebian is trying from what I see
[09:46] <Riddell> groovy groovy
[09:46] <ogra> Riddell, so just go ahead
[09:46] <chillywilly> more than I can say for myself :)
[09:49] <bddebian> chillywilly: It's not good enough :-)
[09:49] <chillywilly> so what, you'll get better
[09:49] <chillywilly> what is this? #debian-devel? ;)
[09:50] <bddebian> Doh... Ouch :-)
[09:50] <tseng> dude, this doesnt involve you
[09:50] <chillywilly> and?
[09:50] <tseng> he's been on about a half dozen times about how i "hate him"
[09:50] <tseng> its tiring
[09:51] <chillywilly> I thought he was just being his normal goofy joking self
[09:52] <Burgundavia> ogra, that is a nasty version number
[09:52] <ogra> hehee
[09:52] <ogra> its a ridiculous patch, that deserves a ridiculous version number :)
[09:58] <ogra> i'll sort it with pitti... dont worry... i dont expect i'll get it through without changes ;) but i need the package installable to move on for now
[10:00] <ogra> i can always unapply the patch (its just dpatched) and even decide we move childsplay to main instead of gcompris
[10:00] <Burgundavia> I have always found gcompris to be very crashy
[10:00] <ogra> its rocksolid here
[10:01] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:01] <ogra> at least the little alien i made of it :)
[10:01] <ogra> <-- never used gcompris before edubuntu
[10:05] <tseng> alien :/
[10:05] <tseng> im using that on scotty from mandrake
[10:05] <tseng> debian dropped it years ago
[10:06] <ogra> i didnt mean the tool :)
[10:06] <tseng> oh
[10:06] <ogra> i wouldnt upload alienized packages... even if alien would create source packages
[10:06] <tseng> sure
[10:12] <bddebian> tseng: So if you think I'm not doing enough, tell me what I should be doing :)
[10:13] <tseng> bddebian: start by not randomly going on with "tseng hates me"
[10:13] <tseng> i thought we were both past that
[10:13] <bddebian> :-)  Sorry, I have esteem problems :-)
[10:51] <ajmitch> morning
[10:52] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: Since tseng won't tell me, will you tell me what I should focus on? :)
[11:05] <tseng> unmet deps.
[11:05] <bddebian> Stick to UnmetDeps?
[11:06] <bddebian> Ohh heh
[11:06] <tseng> theres lots!
[11:06] <bddebian> No kidding
[11:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: stop being so paranoid
[11:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: Paranoid about what?
[11:06] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[11:06] <ajmitch> people hating you, not talking to you, etc
[11:06] <\sh> evening
[11:06] <bddebian> \sh: You get my meeting minutes?  Not specific enough?
[11:06] <ajmitch> hello \sh
[11:06] <mbreit> hi \sh
[11:07] <\sh> bddebian: I will wrap the rest ,) your "STEPHAN" was noted *lol*
[11:07] <\sh> hey mbreit
[11:07] <bddebian> OK, thx
[11:07] <mbreit> tseng: and there are yet many debdiffs on the wiki page, but it seems that no motu is reviewing them
[11:07] <bddebian> mbreit: Glad you said that :)
[11:08] <ajmitch> sigh, elmo is around but boa-constructor isn't ready to be synced
[11:08] <tseng> mbreit: sorry. there are more projects than motus
[11:08] <dholbach> mbreit: is uploading that stuff to REVU to much overhead?
[11:08] <mbreit> dholbach: you told me not to upload it to revu? (or was it siretart?)
[11:08] <tseng> mbreit: hopefully bddebian will go for his upload rights soon and can go straight to the top.
[11:09] <bddebian> To be honest, I'm not sure I'm ready.  I feel like there is a lot I don't know yet.
[11:09] <Mez> tseng: straight to the top?
[11:09] <mbreit> tseng: sorry, i think you misunderstood me... i did not want to critizise me
[11:09] <Mez> tseng: I think I'm still waiting for my upload rights
[11:10] <\sh> Mez: me as well for main....but don't hesitate :)
[11:10] <\sh> ask ivoks..when he's back
[11:10] <mbreit> ahm, i did not want to critizise _you_ of cause
[11:10] <Mez> \sh - hesitate ?
[11:11] <\sh> Mez: ivoks went crazy ,-)
[11:11] <Mez> ??
[11:12] <\sh> Mez: to wait for elmo :)
[11:12] <mbreit> well, i am a bit confused now... should simple changes like the ones on the unmet deps page be uploaded to revu or not?
[11:12] <Mez> how did he go crazy?
[11:13] <Mez> mbreit: depends on how big the change is and whether you can get someone to review a debdiff
[11:13] <bddebian> mbreit: If they aren't very big no
[11:13] <\sh> Mez: he just started to try to upload every day ;)
[11:14] <bddebian> mbreit: In fact, I was told, they shouldn't really go on REVU at all because they aren't "new".
[11:14] <Mez> \sh lmao
[11:14] <Mez> \sh I've been trying now and then
[11:15] <mbreit> okay, my noteedit debdiff could be a candidate for revu, but the rest?
[11:15] <mbreit> the most patches are simple rebuild-for-unmet-deps-patches...
[11:16] <\sh> sorry when I'm delayed with my answers ...I'm hanging clothes
[11:17] <mbreit> \sh: you wanted to review my qcad patch... you promised to do that after the cc meeting ;) i do not want to annoy you, just to remind you.. if you have some time left....
[11:17] <\sh> mbreit: just a moment :)
[11:17] <bddebian> mbreit: If I understood ajmitch correctly the other night, if all it needs is a rebuild with no changes, just make a note on the wiki.  Doesn't even need a changelog entry
[11:17] <\sh> let me finish my underwear :)
[11:17] <bddebian> uhm
[11:18] <mbreit> ah, btw: i looked at the breezy release schedule today...
[11:18] <mbreit> and i have a question about that:
[11:18] <tseng> shoot
[11:19] <tseng> you know, no one probably needs to post diff's for rebuilds
[11:19] <tseng> its just as easy for me to do the changelog myself
[11:19] <mbreit> tseng: some motu told me to do so ;)
[11:19] <tseng> hm
[11:19] <tseng> arent we organized
[11:19] <mbreit> can new packages come into universe after the feature freeze?
[11:19] <bddebian> no
[11:20] <tseng> yes
[11:20] <dholbach> yes
[11:20] <mbreit> okay, thanks
[11:20] <bddebian> I meant NO to
 arent we organized
[11:20] <Mez> mbreit: if they're just rebuilds - then poke a MOTU
[11:20] <Mez> if you have to change something - and the debdiff is small, poke a MOTU
[11:20] <tseng> can someone tell me what things are simple rebuilds?
[11:21] <Mez> if it's BIG(or not small)
[11:21] <Mez> then REVU is yours
[11:21] <tseng> i can do a few
[11:21] <Mez> tseng: wish I knew :D
[11:21] <Mez> for example, http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/webmin-optional.diff would be a "Poke a MOTU" candidate
[11:21] <mbreit> okay, then could someone please rebuild gltron, qsynth and qjackctl? they all worked well after i rebuilded them in pbuilder
[11:22] <tseng> i will
[11:22] <bddebian> I had a few on the wiki that are simple changes/rebuilds
[11:22] <mbreit> tagtool and skribe also go to that list..
[11:22] <ajmitch> we try & get to them when we have time
[11:22] <mbreit> tagtool and skribe are seth's to i can't garantee that
[11:23] <tseng> i am doing the 3
[11:23] <mbreit> tseng: thanks!
[11:23] <bddebian> xdiskusage and xbsql were just rebuilds I think
[11:23] <tseng> mbreit: please verify them as they build
[11:24] <\sh> mbreit: which archs u have to test?
[11:24] <mbreit> i tested all on amd64
[11:24] <mbreit> but i could also test on x86, but not today, because i need a new chroot for that
[11:25] <mbreit> tseng: gltron, qsynth and qjackctl are verified by me a few days ago, should i do that again?
[11:25] <tseng> no i mean
[11:25] <tseng> after the build by ubuntu
[11:25] <tseng> verify that they are working and mark them off the list or something
[11:26] <mbreit> tseng: okay, i will do tha
[11:26] <mbreit> t
[11:26] <tseng> ive uploaded those three, are there more you can say are good for sure?
[11:27] <\sh> mbreit: where is your qcad diff?
[11:27] <tseng> http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/qcad_<IP_ADDRESS>-1-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[11:27] <mbreit> \sh, http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/qcad_<IP_ADDRESS>-1-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[11:27] <bddebian> tseng: xdiskusage, xbsql
[11:27] <bddebian> On x86 anyhow
[11:28] <mbreit> so http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1.debdiff is a candidate for revu?
[11:28] <tseng> um
[11:28] <tseng> ok.
[11:29] <mbreit> it is not as much as it seems to be...
[11:29] <mbreit> most of that patch is a file from kde svn repository
[11:30] <tseng> bddebian: done, please verify when they hit the archive
[11:30] <bddebian> tseng: OK, thx
[11:31] <mbreit> tseng: oh, thanks for actually mentioning me in the changelog ;)
[11:31] <tseng> mbreit: thanks for testing.
[11:32] <mbreit> then i could add them to my done list? ;)))
[11:32] <tseng> mbreit: its nice to have a documented record of what people do, when you might want to join motu
[11:32] <tseng> we can point at it
[11:32] <tseng> mbreit: after they build and you verify it
[11:32] <mbreit> cool
[11:32] <tseng> rock on :)
[11:33] <tseng> you will have a few good things on your list.
[11:34] <bddebian> Gah, where's the buildlogs again? :-(
[11:34] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[11:34] <tseng> people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/
[11:34] <Burgundavia> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/
[11:34] <tseng> buh
[11:34] <bddebian> Sheesh, thx
[11:34] <bddebian> Yeah we're organized  Three MOTUs, three different answers.. ;-P
[11:35] <Mez> hmmles: logjams deps have been fixed
[11:35] <tseng> at least they are all right.
[11:35] <mbreit> tseng: so it's okay if i add these packages to my done list? or should i put your credit there?
[11:35] <Burgundavia> bddebian, for the record, I am not a MOTU
[11:35] <tseng> mbreit: no, put *your* credit
[11:35] <mbreit> cool, thanks
[11:35] <tseng> mbreit: i dont have to prove anything to anyone :P
[11:36] <\sh> mbreit: patched qcad source now...I'm test building now
[11:36] <bddebian> Burgundavia: Oh,sorry
[11:36] <Burgundavia> bddebian, np
[11:36] <mbreit> tseng: well, i do ;) perhaps i should do something for my self-esteem...
[11:36] <tseng> heh.
[11:37] <tseng> hopefully you will prove yourself to TB someday
[11:37] <mbreit> \sh: cool...
[11:37] <mbreit> tb?
[11:37] <tseng> tech board approves new MOTUs
[11:37] <\sh> technical board
[11:37] <\sh> but first he has to be a member, i think
[11:38] <mbreit> when should i try to become a member? i mean, i just startet with this...
[11:38] <\sh> mbreit: write a wiki page with everything u did for ubuntu
[11:38] <\sh> document your work
[11:40] <mbreit> \sh: well, i only did this motu work...
[11:40] <mbreit> before that, i tried to help out the backport project on amd64...
[11:40] <\sh> mbreit: yes..document it
[11:40] <Mez> mbreit, when was that
[11:41] <bddebian> mbreit: Any work is help :-)
[11:41] <mbreit> Mez: i wrote john at least 3 emails, not just one answer...
[11:41] <Mez> mbreit: not just one answer  .... ?
[11:42] <Mez> just wondering,cause only peron I know who's worke don backports for amd64 = Mike
[11:42] <mbreit> everything i heard from him was a short answer in the forums..
[11:42] <mbreit> and there he just said that most of the work will be done automatically now...
[11:42] <bddebian> Well I'm gonna head home.  Hopefully I can get some work done there.  Later gang
[11:43] <mbreit> i did a lot of backports... a complete set of mono 1.1.8 with gtk# and so on for amd64 hoary... and a lot of other things...
[11:43] <Mez> mbreit: yes it will
[11:44] <mbreit> Mez: i know... but he could at least answer my questions... that was very frustrating for me
[11:44] <Mez> are you on the new mailing list?
[11:45] <mbreit> no, that was before there was a mailing list... i know there was some google group, but i never postet there
[11:47] <ajmitch> gah, demo at work has been moved up 3 hours... bad things
[11:47] <Mez> mbreit, well, the google group would have been a good place
[11:47] <Mez> ajmitch, did your stuff get put into backport
[11:48] <mbreit> Mez: after trying to contact john directly, i tried it in the forum.. but no luck as well, then i gave up...
[11:49] <Mez> mbreit: how long ago was this
[11:49] <\sh> any launchpad gurus online?
[11:49] <\sh> Mez needs to be as well admin for motu team on LP
[11:49] <mbreit> Mez: june?
[11:49] <dholbach> ogra: ^ ^ how is the "new" team called?
[11:50] <ogra> dholbach, no idea, i guess sabdfl will mail us after he created it
[11:51] <dholbach> ok
[11:51] <dholbach> thank you
[11:51] <ajmitch> Mez: what packages?
[11:51] <dholbach> i'm doing some reviews - could somebody look at the 1-review-to-upload packages on REVU? :)
[11:52] <Mez> ajmitch, wha?
[11:54] <ajmitch> Mez: you asked if I got my stuff into backports
[11:54] <Mez> oh, I must hit wrong key
[11:55] <ajmitch> ok :)
[11:55] <ajmitch> since I didn't recall requesting any backports
[11:55] <mbreit> Mez: could you (backport team) use another amd64 backporter?
[11:55] <Mez> ajmitch - was talking to mbreit
[11:55] <Mez> mbreit, not really now everythings moved to the buildds
[11:55] <Mez> plus, Mike does a great job anyways
[11:55] <ajmitch> although it'd be *great* to have the latest upstream inkscape in hoary ;)
[11:56] <mbreit> Mez: glad to hear that ;)
[11:56] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, we need it in breezy first
[11:56] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I know
[11:56] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I need help convincing mdz
[11:56] <Mez> mbreit,  0.41 ?
[11:56] <ajmitch> and I hope to see it there soon
[11:56] <mbreit> Mez: you mean ajmitch...
[11:56] <Mez> yes
[11:57] <Mez> ajmitch, 0.41 ?
[11:57] <Mez> see..
[11:57] <Mez> yuou talk next to each other
[11:57] <\sh> ok...
[11:57] <ajmitch> 0.42
[11:57] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I have a half finished email explaining why it is a good thing
[11:57] <\sh> mbreit: qcad is just building :(
[11:57] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: it's a great thing, not just a good thing
[11:57] <mbreit> btw: someone should update gaim-guifications to the new upstream release... there are a lot of fixed bugs
[11:57] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, mdz freaked at the idea of a big release
[11:57] <\sh> mbreit: tomorrow morning it should be finished...so it looks good now...and if it builds niceley I will upload the patch ..hope your email address is whitelisted
[11:57] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I can understand that
[11:58] <mbreit> \sh: i know... i takes a bit in pbuilder.. because of this network connections from uic...
[11:58] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: we're a few weeks past UVF, and they have to support it for 18 months
[11:58] <\sh> mbreit: i don't really care about uic :) kdebase takes longer ;)
[11:58] <mbreit> *g*
[11:58] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, yes
[11:59] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, the inkscape people already use Ubuntu
[11:59] <ajmitch> and the notice of 0.42.1 'real soon now' due to serious bugs isn't reassuring
[11:59] <mbreit> \sh: about my email address is whitelisted: i don't know...
[11:59] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, seriously?
[12:00] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: from a distro point of view :)
[12:00] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:00] <Burgundavia> just saw that
[12:00] <\sh> mbreit: please have a look in wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads and use this address to send your email with a nice statement to elmo
[12:00] <mbreit> \sh: i will do that
[12:00] <Burgundavia> the sheer number of features, it doesn't surprise me
[12:01] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I think mdz would worry about time it would take the release to stablilise
[12:02] <ajmitch> and I know the inkscape developers wouldn't want to wait another 8 months to get 0.42 or newer into a stable release
[12:02] <mbreit> \sh: elmo is at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:02] <dholbach> mbreit: elmo or whoever does the job at the moment :)
[12:02] <dholbach> it's connected to the purpose
[12:02] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I will prod them about our Feature Freeze
[12:02] <mbreit> okay, then i should just send an email "please add my address.... etc"?
[12:03] <\sh> yes
[12:03] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you use screem?
[12:03] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: nope, emacs :)
[12:03] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, do you know anyone that uses screem on Hoary?
[12:03] <\sh> ok...off to bed
[12:03] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: my flatmate is quite into design, and likes inkscape, which is why I would like to see 0.42.1 in
[12:03] <mbreit> " You must use a GPG key that is known to our archive scripts - if in doubt, mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:03] <ajmitch> nope
[12:03] <mbreit> do i have to do that fist?
[12:04] <mbreit> ... first?
[12:04] <\sh> mbreit: no
[12:04] <dholbach> \sh: night stephan
[12:04] <mbreit> \sh: good night and thanks!
[12:04] <dholbach> mbreit: you have a gpg key already?
[12:04] <\sh> dholbach: u will end up like me...broken relationship, sleepless nights, terrible eyes...man..get some rest and sleep :)
[12:05] <dholbach> \sh: you should have seen me during hoary :)
[12:05] <mbreit> dholbach: yes... i always had one...
[12:05] <dholbach> \sh: i have a couple of relationships - that keeps young :-p
[12:05] <\sh> oh qcad just finished to build
[12:05] <ajmitch> dholbach: well we saw you after hoary ;)
[12:05] <dholbach> mbreit: super, just sign it and you're set
[12:05] <\sh> dholbach: a couple? wow...wanna share? ,-)
[12:05] <mbreit> okay
[12:05] <dholbach> \sh: hahahaha :)
[12:06] <\sh> anyway my girl is back....so I need to get my hands on her...but she has also a lot to do for the weltjugendtag


[02:34] <hwpplayer1> http://askubuntu.com/questions/877081/will-a-thinkpad-x61-run-ubuntu
[02:34] <hwpplayer1> Maybe kernel team members can answer this question better
[14:49] <hwpplayer1> do we have kernel book list ?
[14:49] <hwpplayer1> at our pages
[19:17] <hwpplayer1> http://askubuntu.com/questions/877190/ubuntu-16-04-cpu-stress-test
[19:17] <hwpplayer1> Does kernel patch services include cpu test ?