[06:43] <DanaG> UUID=C4DA9F12DA9EFFBA                           /media/Vista    ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,locale=en_US.UTF-8,rw                         0 0
[06:43] <DanaG> UUID=C4DA9F12DA9EFFBA                           /media/Vista    ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,locale=en_US.UTF-8,ro                         0 0
[06:43] <captain> static in sound on heron ... anyone ? ...
[06:43] <DanaG> ntfs-3g REEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeally needs a fallback to RO on error.
[06:43] <DanaG> EEEEEEeeeeeeeeally.
[06:44] <shasbot> i am having trouble recording from my microphone
[06:44] <shasbot> it plays through the headphones or speakers when i speak into it, but no programs seem to be able to record it
[06:44]  * DanaG wonders whether any conferences are anywhere near the central coast USA.
[06:45] <DanaG> It might be interesting to go to a Linux conference some time.
[06:45] <alex_mayorga> danuel: did you subscribed to the bug?
[06:45] <danuel> alex_mayorga: yes
[06:45] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, would you say that the bug is confirm able  then?
[06:45] <DanaG> It didn't mount due to volume being dirty; permissions weren't the issue for me.
[06:46] <DanaG> I may try firing up my XP VM and connecting the drive to it to chkdsk, then try again.
[06:46] <DanaG> ooooooh, cool wallpapers: www.vladstudio.com
[06:46] <DanaG> Really random, though -- I really AM random sometimes.
[06:46] <alex_mayorga> :)
[06:47] <captain> guys, anyone knows what could cause static sound in heron after gutsy upgrade.
[06:48] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, in my case it clearly says "You are not privileged to mount this volume."
[06:48] <DanaG> interesting... audigy2 does float32le.
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> DanaG, get wallpapers free...  unless you happen to be on widescreen
[06:49] <DanaG> ... or use the largest, which is widescreen.
[06:49] <captain> anyone ... no ? :(
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> 1600x1200 isn't widescreen
[06:50] <DanaG> One of them is.
[06:50] <DanaG> Or use Zoom.
[06:50] <akk> or crop it in gimp
[06:50] <captain> alright ... not a whole lot of help here... thanks anyway.
[06:51] <DanaG> wtf? keyboard in vbox is broken.
[06:51] <Ray_> Need Help on Totem. Totem is not playing Live mms streams. I'm using Hardy. Strangely in 7.10 totem is working correctly. Am I missing something?
[06:51] <akk> captain: I don't know, but one thing you could try is using the old kernel to see if it's a kernel problem
[06:51] <jimiridge> i use the mplayer mozilla plugin
[06:51] <akk> (you'd probably have to copy over the /lib/modules stuff)
[06:52] <jimiridge> or just use something besides totem
[06:52] <jimiridge> i think totem sux
[06:52] <jimiridge> copy the stream link and drop in another prog
[06:53] <Ray_> Well, in VLC it's working. But I was trying to play that in Totem. In fact in 7.10 totem is playing that link perfectly.
[06:53] <captain> akk , got the command to roll back to old kernel ? newb to linux buddy .sorry
[06:54] <akk> captain: No, I was just talking about copying it from an older release -- no idea if there's a package to formally roll it back
[06:54] <Ray_> I was just wondering why it is not working in hardy. The stream is getting downloaded and the first frame is also showing up, but then the video is not moving. Although Totem is responding and it is downloading the stream.
[06:54] <akk> captain: I tend to have tons of kernels sitting around in /boot
[06:55] <cwillu> akk, what's your oldest kernel? :p
[06:56] <cwillu> Ray_, what's the url?
[06:56] <captain> akk so i got the live cd for gutsy , if i mount , whats the command to copy the kernel or where would i find this kernel to copy it to my /boot
[06:56] <akk> cwillu: 2.4.something :)
[06:56] <cwillu> akk, okay, nvm :p
[06:57] <akk> captain: If you can mount the live CD, kernels are probably just in /boot there, and the corresponding modules are in /lib/modules
[06:57] <Ray_> cwillu : the url is : mms://a150.l2584248272.c25842.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/150/25842/v0001/reflector:48272
[06:57] <akk> captain: oh, for ubuntu kernels you'll probably also need the initrd.img from /boot
[06:58] <cwillu> Ray_, congrats, you just segfaulted my totem :p
[06:58] <Ray_> cwillu: I am so sorry. You tried to help me out and this is not what was expected. I am feeling extremely sorry for this.
[06:59] <akk> captain: Actually, if you haven't done this before it might be more trouble than it's worth
[06:59] <cwillu> Ray_, heh, I'm just kidding, I don't have anything important running in totem
[06:59] <keith-> so anyone have any clue why, after this last update, nvidia isn't in my hardware manager?
[06:59] <cwillu> does it consistently though
[06:59] <Ray_> cwillu : I am no expert and have no knowledge in this regard but you can try installing the gstreamer codecs (all) then I believe it will work.
[07:00] <captain> akk , yeah i haven't done it before . im willing to give it a shot though, let me ask you this. Can i roll back to Gutsy by any chance ?
[07:00] <cwillu> Ray_, nah, the fact that it crashes is already a bug (believe I have all the codecs installed already)
[07:00] <Ray_> cwillu : That's fine. I am relieved.
[07:00] <akk> captain: You could try taking a gutsy kernel package and installing it with dpkg -i whatever.deb
[07:00] <Ray_> cwillu : yes I think so.
[07:00] <akk> captain: I don't know if that would work or not, never tried it.
[07:01] <Ray_> Because the stream is working correctly in 7.10. The problem is this is not working on VLC. It's only working on Mplayer.
[07:01] <captain> Hmm, if i start this i know im going to miss work again just like last night. I happen to spend hours reading articles and testing...then oops im 1 hour late to work.
[07:01] <Ray_> cwillu : Because the stream is working correctly in 7.10. The problem is this is not working on VLC. It's only working on Mplayer. But there also it is playing and stopping and playing.
[07:02] <ether_c> does anyone here have an ntfs formatted usb external hard drive working with hardy?
[07:02] <akk> captain: yeah, that seems to be an occupational hazard of updating distros :(
[07:02] <captain> I'll just stick to winblows for now until the official heron is out.
[07:03] <cwillu> ether_c, not with me right now, but I've have two users that use ntfs usb with hardy
[07:03] <ether_c> I'm just trying to figure out why mine isn't working
[07:04] <ether_c> it "mounts" and the icon appears on the desktop
[07:04] <ether_c> but the folder is blank
[07:04] <ether_c> I had to do a "mount as root" workaround in kubuntu feisty
[07:04] <ether_c> but I'm not sure how to do it in ubuntu hardy
[07:04] <Daisuke_Ido> chown the mountpoint?
[07:06] <ether_c> oh, I can access it from the command line
[07:06] <ether_c> that's weird
[07:06] <cwillu> ether_c, how does it behave under a hardy livecd?
[07:06] <ether_c> but not from nautilus
[07:06] <danuel> there seems to be a big issue with Hardy and mounting/unmounting ntfs ... should this be elevated to an important bug?
[07:06] <cwillu> wondering if there's some device history being stored that's screwing you up
[07:06] <ether_c> cwillu: I'm not sure, I'm running hardy beta right now
[07:06] <ether_c> and I don't have the cd with me
[07:06] <cwillu> well, that's no fun :p
[07:07] <danuel> ether__c: what "mount as root" workaround did you use?  do you have a link to a step by step how to
[07:07] <ether_c> weird, all the folders are highlighted with a green background in the console
[07:07] <ether_c> danuel: this was in kde 3.5, I went to dolphin's options and there was a checkbox that said "mount as user"
[07:07] <ether_c> I un-checked it
[07:08] <ether_c> sorry, I right clicked on the drive, then hit preferences
[07:08] <ether_c> then did that
[07:08] <danuel> ether__c: do you know if there is a similar option in gnome? ubuntu
[07:08] <ether_c> unfortunately that doesn't work in kde4 (I've tried) there's no option
[07:08] <ether_c> but I'm using gnome right now
[07:08] <ether_c> on a fresh install
[07:10] <ether_c> interesting, if I do an ls -l on the drive from the console, it seems that all the files are 777'd by default
[07:10] <danuel> Does anyone else have a problem with Hardy and NTFS partitions?
[07:11] <ether_c> yet I can't "see" them through nautilus
[07:12] <ether_c> does anyone have ntfs external drives working at all?
[07:13] <jimiridge> bah im too good for windows garbage
[07:14] <danuel> Common guys, if we want ubuntu to continue to grow, it has to play nice with ntfs without a glich.
[07:14] <jimiridge> best thing you can do with windows partitions is mkfs.ext3 /dev/windowspartition
[07:14] <ether_c> actually, this is an external hard drive
[07:14] <ether_c> not windows specifically
[07:14] <DanaG> We need fallback to RO on failure to RW!
[07:14] <danuel> Does anyone have ability to mount internal ntfs without sudo?
[07:15] <DanaG> Otherwise.... things just aren't mounted at all.  That's bad.
[07:16] <danuel> DanaG: I forced a mount on a dirty drive by "sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda3 /media/sda3 -o force", but it mounted as RO, not RW.  Do you know why?
[07:16] <DanaG> need 'rw' also.
[07:17] <omar_> I have a problem with screensavers, they don't work properly, I think it's probably because of Compiz.
[07:19] <DanaG> !gnome-screensaver
[07:19] <DanaG> it !!!sucks
[07:20] <CyberCod> lack of config options sucks yeah
[07:20] <danuel> DanaG: how do you unmount in Hardy ?  unmount: command not found!
[07:21] <DanaG> just umount, oddly enough.
[07:21] <CyberCod> umount
[07:21] <danuel> ah ...
[07:21] <danuel> spelling.
[07:22] <CyberCod> :)
[07:23] <ether_c> so, it turns out my drive is mounted after all
[07:23] <ether_c> but it's mounted strangely
[07:23] <ether_c> and nautilus doesn't like it
[07:23] <DanaG> Odd: http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/03/hardy-heron-wallpaper-fela-kuti-botch.html
[07:23] <ether_c> but read/write works
[07:23] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: download complete. !
[07:23] <happy-sufferer> time to go and apt-get dist-upgrade them, pwnguin. see you soon.
[07:23] <ether_c> nautilus reports the filesystem as "fuseblk"
[07:24] <CyberCod> Hmmm
[07:24] <CyberCod> that IS weird
[07:24] <ether_c> I ran ntfsfix on it with no effect
[07:24] <ether_c> I can still access it from the command line
[07:24] <CyberCod> does it have a win install on it?
[07:24] <ether_c> which is acceptable.. for now I guess
[07:24] <ether_c> no, it's just an external drive
[07:24] <CyberCod> important docs?
[07:25] <ether_c> music : )
[07:25] <CyberCod> ah
[07:25] <CyberCod> if it were me I'd switch it to ext3
[07:26] <CyberCod> if you can access it RO you can get your stuff off of it
[07:26] <ether_c> that would work, but I don't think windows supports ext3
[07:26] <ether_c> and there aren't really any "compromise" filesystems
[07:26] <CyberCod> there's something you can install for that actually
[07:26] <ether_c> because fat32 would suck for a drive like that
[07:26] <CyberCod> hang on I'll find the name of it for you
[07:27] <ether_c> besides, this way I can use it on pretty much any windows pc
[07:28] <bazhang> windows has filedrvers to recognize ext2/ext3
[07:29] <CyberCod> ext2ifs_1_10c
[07:29] <ether_c> interesting
[07:29] <ether_c> I'll check that out
[07:29] <CyberCod> its an installable filesystem driver
[07:29] <CyberCod> works beautifully
[07:29] <bazhang> www.fs-drivers.org or some such
[07:29] <ether_c> thanks, but I'd prefer to get this working on linux
[07:30] <CyberCod> there is also ext2fsd, but it blows because you have to turn on your ext2/3 drives each boot
[07:30] <ether_c> I can't exactly install these drivers on random computers that I come across
[07:30] <CyberCod> the ext2ifs is much better
[07:30] <CyberCod> true true
[07:30] <hiredgoon> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[07:30] <hiredgoon> nice
[07:30] <CyberCod> might just be something wrong with the partition info
[07:31] <CyberCod> what does gparted say about it?
[07:31] <ether_c> lemme check
[07:31] <hiredgoon> make a bartpe disc - run chkdsk on it
[07:31] <ether_c> gparted says it's ntfs
[07:32] <CyberCod> have you tried re-installing ntfs-3g?
[07:32] <ether_c> you mean apt-get remove ntfs-3g then reinstall it? no
[07:32] <CyberCod> worth a shot
[07:32] <ether_c> I was curious whether this is a bug or if it's just my particular external ntfs drive
[07:33] <CyberCod> couldn't tell you
[07:33] <ether_c> because it it's just me, then I'll definitely copy everything off of it and reformat
[07:33] <hiredgoon> apt-get remove ntfs-3g --purge  ?
[07:33] <ether_c> I'll try it
[07:35] <ether_c> no dice, reinstalling ntfs-3g has no effect
[07:35] <CyberCod> :(
[07:35] <CyberCod> if you can get your music off, you could try re-formatting it to ntfs
[07:36] <ether_c> if it means anything to anyone, I had fedora 9 beta on this computer yesterday and it worked fine
[07:36] <ether_c> yeah, I may just do that
[07:36] <CyberCod> may just be the 3g then
[07:36] <ether_c> thanks for the tips though
[07:36] <CyberCod> no problem
[07:36] <CyberCod> sorry I wasn't more effective helper
[07:37] <zcat[1]> just for the record; I had major issues with my mp3 player .. it was much happier when I changed the partition form 'b' (W95 fat32) to 'c' (win95 fat32 lba)
[07:37] <jimiridge> bah mplayer -co caca is kinda glitched
[07:38] <zcat[1]> I don't think ntfs has different partition types though
[07:38] <hiredgoon> what ntfs is it?  like did xp make the filesystem or what?
[07:39] <zcat[1]> curse microsoft and their non-standard standards!
[07:40] <pwnguin> jimiridge: you just need to pass CACA_GEOMETRY to it
[07:40] <CyberCod> so how is the pulse audio thing working out?
[07:40] <ether_c> hiredgoon: it was ntfs when I bought it from the store right out of the package
[07:41] <ether_c> but windows has "touched" it before
[07:41] <ether_c> linux "touched" it first though
[07:42] <zcat[1]> I'd never trust something preformatted.. seen too many stories of mp3 platers with pre-installed viruses :)
[07:42] <zcat[1]> *players
[07:42] <jimiridge> like black isnt black its all colors
[07:43] <hiredgoon> ether_c: argh
[07:44] <hiredgoon> i'd make a bartpe disc and run a chkdsk on it - you need a windows cd tho
[07:49] <ethana3> Is firefox3 beta5 in repos yet?
[07:49] <ethana3> ...I immediately downloaded it and am running it form a folder in my home now
[07:49] <ethana3> ...so I don't /really/ have to wait for it
[07:50] <ethana3> ....but I'd like to get rid of that folder soon
[07:50] <ethana3> so my stuff will work right (plugins, etc.)
[07:50] <ethana3>  'course, it's not like going from 69 to 71 on acid3 is /that/ big a change
[07:50] <ethana3> ..but still
[07:51] <ethana3> beta4 is always crashing on me
[07:53] <ether_c> ethana3: you could always install konqueror
[07:53] <ether_c> which should score you a nice 100
[07:54] <ether_c> ack
[07:54] <ether_c> my bad
[07:54] <ether_c> 90
[07:54] <ether_c> not 100
[07:54] <ether_c> and that's with webkit
[07:54] <wilbert> Good morning to all from a grey skyed Holland
[07:55] <ethana3> ether_c: it comes with the latest?
[07:55] <ethana3> ohh
[07:55] <ethana3> ...or webkit epiphany
[07:55] <ethana3> I may do that soon
[08:00] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone know how to get my lcd brightness control back after update+reboot
[08:02] <HendriXXX> anyone have strange crashes/lockups with hardy heron? only thing what works after freeze is my mouse.. any ideas howto fix that?
[08:02] <PedanticSteve> anyone here using Evolution 2.22 and having trouble with connecting to exchange?  (or not having trouble connecting)?
[08:04] <happy-sufferer> is there a way i could run apt-get update on a partition that I have?
[08:04]  * dwidmann is away: Gone away for now.
[08:06] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: you could chroot into it
[08:06] <x1250> happy-sufferer: you'll have to chroot
[08:07] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: you're back!
[08:07] <pwnguin> i never left ;)
[08:07] <Finnish> Hmmm, latest kernel *ucked up my bluetooth?
[08:07] <pwnguin> i just stopped paying attention briefly
[08:07] <happy-sufferer> install finished but wireless pci card still won't work on the new ubuntu 8.04 partition, even after i did all the same  things as on Xubuntu 8.04. 8-(
[08:08] <pwnguin> does xubuntu use network manager?
[08:08] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: i did the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade while logged into the 7.04ubuntu partition. then i saw a notification applet saying that it needs to download stuff. i thought maybe if it were able to upgrade, maybe, just maybe, my wireless pci card will work in ubuntu8.04 as it does on xubuntu8.04.
[08:09] <x1250> hey guys, I have ubuntu-sounds installed, but when I go to preferences -> sounds, tab sounds and click on play, I here nothing. I _do_ have sound, but not from ubuntu-sounds theme, no login or logout music.
[08:09] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: yes, xubuntu uses same network manager. (called "network settings")
[08:09] <pwnguin> you sure its nm and not a different tool?
[08:09] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: but the way i made wireless pci card work on xubuntu 8.04 is not by going to network manager, but by running the commands in terminal
[08:10] <pwnguin> you'll probably have to continue doing that =/
[08:10] <pwnguin> network manager uses some extended wireless stuff that some drivers dont support / like
[08:10] <pwnguin> signal strength etc
[08:10] <happy-sufferer> the commands i ran on xubuntu successfully (and on ubuntu 8.04 AND 7.10 unsuccessfully) are at http://pastebin.com/d5e2b0176
[08:11] <happy-sufferer> i thought that if Xubuntu 8.04 will allow me to get onto the internet, surely Ubuntu 8.04 also will.
[08:11] <pwnguin> ah. ndiswrapper
[08:11] <pwnguin> you're making me regret returning ;)
[08:11] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: yes! ndiswrapper, and using inf and sys files on the install CD (For windows computers)
[08:11] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: returning to this irc channel?
[08:12] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: that's the only way i have found to make my wireless internet work so far.
[08:12] <happy-sufferer> i prefer not to use ndiswrapper, but i'm a newbie.
[08:12] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: ive never been able to make ndiswrapper work
[08:12] <pwnguin> for some it seems to be an only option
[08:12] <happy-sufferer> well, is there a way we can make a non-ndiswrapper option work?
[08:12] <pwnguin> i doubt it
[08:13] <happy-sufferer> my wireless card is pictured at http://snipurl.com/23aff
[08:13] <owen1> i got updates and now i can't see the UI after I enter user/password. any ideas?
[08:13] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: so i'm really really puzzed: Why can wireless internet/card work in Xubunu 8.04 but NOT in Ubuntu 8.04?
[08:13] <owen1> i see the brown backgroud..
[08:14] <happy-sufferer> Wouldn't you think it would work in Ubuntu8.04 if it works in Xubuntu8.04?
[08:14] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: did you set up ndiswrapper again?
[08:14] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: yes, all the same steps
[08:14] <pwnguin> thats pretty funny
[08:14] <pwnguin> afaik, that shouldn't happen
[08:14] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: yeah, that's what i'm thinking
[08:15] <pwnguin> you'll have to get someone else to help you with ndiswrapper, as I'm clueless on it
[08:15] <pwnguin> on the other hand
[08:15] <pwnguin> you could always apt-get install ubuntu-desktop from xubuntu
[08:15] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: that's an idea
[08:15] <pwnguin> they use the same repos
[08:15] <happy-sufferer> i guess it might work.
[08:15] <happy-sufferer> it should work, eh?
[08:16] <pwnguin> yea
[08:16] <happy-sufferer> shall we do that? pls advise how.
[08:16] <happy-sufferer> 8-)
[08:16] <PedanticSteve> anyone here using Evolution in Hardy and trying to connect to exchange?  I am having issues getting it to work.  Says bad username orpassword, but I connect to OWA with the same username/password just fine
[08:16] <pwnguin> ive done something similar to try out kubnutu
[08:16] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: it should be as easy as "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[08:16] <owen1> i see brown screen after i log in...can't see any UI... anyone?
[08:16] <pwnguin> then when you log in, you may need to change the "session" to GNOME
[08:17] <happy-sufferer> then if it works, i'll uninstall the current ubunu8.04 partition(sda1), and have the to-be-installed Ubuntu8.04(overXubuntu8.04, sda6) partition "stretch out" over the whole hard drive again.
[08:17] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: ok
[08:17] <pwnguin> happy-sufferer: sounds like you have a plan ;)
[08:17] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: here goes another 3 hours.
[08:17] <happy-sufferer> 8-)
[08:17] <pwnguin> heh
[08:18] <pwnguin> ima go watch naruto / play smash bros
[08:18] <omar_> I have a problem with screensavers, they don't work properly, I think it's probably because of Compiz.
[08:18] <happy-sufferer> ok. how can i reach you when you're not online at IRC?
[08:18] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: is there a special way to leave messages on IRC?
[08:18] <PedanticSteve> omar_: I am using compiz and my screensavers work fine... I tested out a few of htem.  and I am using many features in compiz
[08:19] <owen1> can't see UI..got to work with this laptop tomorrow. please help.
[08:19] <doolz> happy-sufferer:  /msg pwnguin
[08:19] <happy-sufferer> after i install Ubuntu8.04 over Xubuntu8.04, how do I remove everything Xubuntu-ish in computer?
[08:19] <happy-sufferer> doolz: will that work even if pwnguin is offline?
[08:19] <omar_> PedanticSteve: Wow, then how come me screensavers are screwed up?? :D
[08:20] <PedanticSteve> omar_: what do you mean that they do not work properly?
[08:20] <omar_> PedanticSteve: I'm using a lot of Compiz features as well
[08:20] <doolz> happy-sufferer: I dunno
[08:20] <happy-sufferer> oh, by the way, is there a way to "upgrade" from Xubuntu 8.04 32bit to Ubuntu8.04 64bit, without using a CD, and without too much problems?
[08:21] <omar_> PedanticSteve: They don't appear almost at all, and they blink too.
[08:23] <owen1> anyone got issues with the UI after getting updates today?
[08:23] <owen1> i think my nautilus is not running, or somthing similar.
[08:26] <owen1> whet typing nautilus in terminal i get a lot of errors. at the end it say: aborted (core dumped).
[08:26] <x1250> do you guys have any login/logout sound from ubuntu sound theme?
[08:27] <owen1> guys. this is sos. anyone can help with serious UI issue?
[08:28] <x1250> owen1: I really dont have any idea about your problem, but you could paste the errors on pastebin so someone can check it out
[08:29] <owen1> x1250: i have nothing but terminal working. not sure what error i can paste...
[08:30] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin: hello.
[08:30] <CyberCod> owen, a couple basic things to try...  CTRL+ALT+F7
[08:30] <happy-sufferer> pwnguin:  what's the Ubuntu equivalent of Step 3, 4, and 5 on http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html?
[08:30] <CyberCod> or type in  "startx"
[08:30] <x1250> owen1: try creating another user and see if that works ok, so if it does, wipe out your gnome config for your user....
[08:30] <owen1> how do i do it from the terminal?
[08:30] <x1250> adduser someuser
[08:31] <owen1> x1250: how do i do it from the terminal
[08:31] <x1250> are you in X?
[08:31] <happy-sufferer> hi, people,  what's the Ubuntu equivalent of Step 3, 4, and 5 on http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html?
[08:31] <owen1> x1250: not sure. i can open apps from the terminal.
[08:32] <owen1> x1250: but can't open nautilus.
[08:32] <x1250> like what apps?
[08:32] <owen1> x1250: firefox
[08:32] <owen1> x1250: open office
[08:32] <owen1> x1250: but i can't see the gnome menus etc
[08:34] <CyberCod> do you have any panels at all? or a background?
[08:34] <owen1> CyberCod: ctrl+alt+f7 did't do anything..
[08:34] <x1250> ok, then try adding another user and see if it has the same problems as your user. If it does, I would just delete all gnome related stuff for the user with problems. You'll loose your desktop configuration, but.... well... nobody is perfect
[08:34] <owen1> CyberCod: no. nada
[08:34] <CyberCod> k
[08:34] <owen1> x1250: how do i do that?
[08:34] <CyberCod> startx ?
[08:34] <x1250> $ sudo su
[08:34] <Finnish> How to add latest Bluez-utilities to Hardy?
[08:34] <x1250> # adduser someuser
[08:35] <owen1> CyberCod: do u want me to type it in terminal?
[08:35] <CyberCod> yeah type it and press enter
[08:35] <x1250> or $ sudo adduser someuser
[08:35] <CyberCod> it should either start the graphical or give you some error messages
[08:36] <owen1> x1250: 1 sec, x1250..i am trying to start x
[08:36] <owen1> CyberCod: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[08:36] <CyberCod> not authorized?
[08:36] <CyberCod> huh
[08:37] <CyberCod> type logout and press enter
[08:37] <owen1> CyberCod: xinit: unexpected signal 2
[08:37] <CyberCod> there's something
[08:37] <owen1> CyberCod: it tells me to use exit.
[08:37] <owen1> CyberCod: should i try?
[08:37] <CyberCod> ah
[08:37] <x1250> owen1: what did you do? steps?
[08:38] <CyberCod> ok use exit
[08:38] <CyberCod> point is to log out and try to log back in
[08:38] <owen1> CyberCod: ok. trying. i am doing all this from another machine, so i can talk here on irc.
[08:38] <CyberCod> you can also try loggin into the new user that x1250 told you to make
[08:39] <CyberCod> I had guessed,
[08:39] <jaffarkelshac> has the new kernal broken anyones system, i have lot lcd brightness control, how do i get it bak
[08:39] <CyberCod> unless you were using finch in terminal
[08:39] <CyberCod> ;)
[08:40] <owen1> CyberCod: after doing 'exit' the terminal was closed and i saw the brown screen again.
[08:40] <x1250> jaffarkelshac: last time I checked there were some packages missing for kernel -13. Try with -12 or something.
[08:40] <CyberCod> brown screen?
[08:41] <CyberCod> the desktop?
[08:41] <owen1> CyberCod: now when i open katapult i can't go back to terminal...
[08:41] <jaffarkelshac> the one i have is -14
[08:41] <owen1> CyberCod: it's brown. but no menu, nothing.
[08:41] <CyberCod> k
[08:41] <CyberCod> new computer?
[08:41] <owen1> CyberCod: i'll restart.
[08:41] <CyberCod> fast?
[08:41] <CyberCod> wait a moment
[08:41] <owen1> CyberCod: vaio. i put 8.04 instead of vista.
[08:42] <CyberCod> k, shouldn't take long
[08:42] <owen1> CyberCod: it worked great for 2 days...
[08:42] <CyberCod> to get desktop loaded
[08:42] <CyberCod> its only a couple weeks til 8.04 is finished...
[08:42] <CyberCod> impatient?
[08:42] <x1250> jaffarkelshac: check for the restricted-modules package for -14
[08:42] <owen1> CyberCod: today i got updates and just restarted....
[08:43] <CyberCod> go ahead and restart
[08:43] <CyberCod> see if anything is different
[08:43] <jaffarkelshac> how x1250
[08:43] <owen1> CyberCod: ok
[08:43] <CyberCod> do you have a proprietary driver for an nvidia card?
[08:44] <owen1> CyberCod: are u talking to me?
[08:44] <CyberCod> yep
[08:44] <x1250> jaffarkelshac: try something like $ aptitude search linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`, or similar
[08:44] <CyberCod> if the driver is proprietary, it would get broken by a kernel upgrade
[08:44] <owen1> CyberCod: wait. now i see the username screen.
[08:44] <CyberCod> ooooh
[08:44] <CyberCod> good luck
[08:45] <owen1> CyberCod: after i'll type the password i'll see the brown screen again.
[08:45] <owen1> CyberCod: and only through katapult i'll access terminal.
[08:45] <CyberCod> gnome or kde?
[08:46] <owen1> CyberCod: gnome
[08:46] <CyberCod> then you need nautilus
[08:46] <CyberCod> k
[08:46] <owen1> CyberCod: i hear the music...
[08:46] <CyberCod> type CTRL+ALT+F3
[08:46] <CyberCod> well if it doesn't work type that
[08:46] <owen1> CyberCod: and....brown screen
[08:46] <CyberCod> k
[08:46] <CyberCod> type that
[08:46] <CyberCod> and it will change to a tty terminal
[08:47] <frostux> :s
[08:47] <owen1> CyberCod: ok. i typed ctr+alt+f3
[08:47] <dotech> if i just booted ubuntu without a mouse, how can i shutdown with the keyboard only? :)
[08:47] <CyberCod> log in there
[08:47] <dotech> was just testing the hardware on this new pc to make sure things worked
[08:47] <frostux> hi guys
[08:47] <owen1> CyberCod: ok
[08:47] <x1250> dotech: sudo reboot?
[08:47] <CyberCod> type in "nautilus" and hit enter
[08:47] <dotech> well im at the desktop
[08:47] <owen1> can i revert the last updated i got?
[08:48] <CyberCod> then type CTRL+ALT+F7 to get back to the graphical
[08:48] <frostux> small question, I used to add a parameter to a max_cstate file under sys to get rid of some CPU whining, where is that file now? :s
[08:48] <x1250> ALT-F2 gnome-console or konsole, then reboot. Or CTRL+ALT+F2 and login/reboot
[08:48] <dotech> x1250, thanks
[08:48] <dotech> that did it
[08:48] <owen1> CyberCod: when i type nautilus i get: can't open display
[08:49] <CyberCod> sounds like you need to reconfigure x
[08:49] <CyberCod> can't remember the commands for that off the top of my head
[08:49] <owen1> CyberCod: and it tells me to try --help
[08:49] <x1250> owen1: why dont you create a new user and test it?
[08:50] <owen1> x1250: ok. i am ready.
[08:50] <CyberCod> sorry man, I'm stumped... X is obviously working since you have the brown screen
[08:50] <CyberCod> so it probably is your gnome settings
[08:50] <geekaholic> Hi all, I can't seem to be able to find apache2, bind9 or samba server packages on Ubuntu+1
[08:50] <owen1> CyberCod: no problem. thank so much for trying.
[08:50] <geekaholic> Here is my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62099/
[08:50] <owen1> x1250: can u tell me the commands?
[08:50] <geekaholic> I can install normal desktop packages but server packages seem 2 be missing
[08:51] <x1250> CTRL+ALT+F2, login, then $ sudo adduser someuser
[08:51] <frostux> max_cstate, gone, where, halp :s
[08:51] <PedanticSteve> geekaholic:are you using "add/remove" or synaptic?
[08:52] <owen1> x1250: ok. what's next?
[08:52] <owen1> x1250: i created a user.
[08:52] <x1250> $ sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart, and login with your new user
[08:53] <geekaholic> PedanticSteve: tried apt, aptitude and add/remove
[08:54] <geekaholic> aptitude search apache2 gives me nothing
[08:54] <owen1> x1250: wait. it asked me te enter a new unix password...
[08:54] <x1250> yep, do that, any password, just remember it for login in afterwards
[08:55] <owen1> x1250: ok
[08:55] <x1250> geekaholic: # aptitude update ? and if not, faulty repo?
[08:55] <x1250> it works in here...
[08:57] <owen1> x1250: i logged in and now i see black screen (with the mouse) instead of brown. the problem is that now i don't have katapult...so can't open terminal...
[08:58] <frostux> gah, no one who can help a poor laptop user with his cpu whining? :\
[08:58] <x1250> the black screen is a terminal?
[08:58] <owen1> x1250: no
[08:59] <owen1> x1250: it's like the brown, but black.
[08:59] <x1250> did some packages got uninstalled when you did the upgrade?
[08:59] <owen1> x1250: i have no idea...
[09:00] <owen1> x1250: can i get updates again or revert back?
[09:02] <x1250> what does this command returns? $ aptitude search "^gnome" | grep "^i"
[09:04] <owen1> x1250: 30 lines of text..
[09:04] <geekaholic> x1250: u were right. Updating it fixed the issue. Must've been faulty at the time i updated (yesterday)
[09:04] <owen1> x1250: gnome-about, gnome-accessibility-themes etc............
[09:04] <geekaholic> x1250: thanks
[09:05] <CyberCod> nite ppl
[09:05] <owen1> x1250: looks like it returns all the gnome components.
[09:06] <x1250> Uhm
[09:07] <x1250> what about .xsession-errors on the new user?
[09:07] <x1250> cat /home/newuser/.xsession-errors
[09:07] <x1250> or use more, or less
[09:10] <owen1> x1250: long text.  too long to go to top. i see some warnings and fails. like glib and gnome panel.
[09:10] <x1250> do you have gnome-panel installed?
[09:11] <owen1> x1250: don't know
[09:11] <owen1> i can apt-get
[09:11] <owen1> x1250: do u want me to do apt-get?
[09:11] <x1250> try apt-cache policy gnome-panel
[09:12] <owen1> x1250: installed: 1:2.22.0-0ubuntu3
[09:13] <__doc__> howdy. two questions. 1) why can't I update my hardy installation anymore (tells me to do a partial update, which fails too) 2) any idea how to get the modlines for a automatically (correctly) recognized monitor (the background is that my second monitor is the exact same model, but fails to report the edid, hence it doesn't get recognized, hence it only gets a crappy choice of resolutions/frequenzies)
[09:13] <x1250> how did you upgrade? with aptitude? synaptic? I dont know if synaptic uses aptitude (I think it does not), but there is an aptitude log in /var/log
[09:13] <owen1> x1250: 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/hardy/main .....
[09:13] <x1250> maybe you can check if something went wrong with aptitude when you upgraded
[09:14] <owen1> x1250: i used the graphical thingy. it tells me if new updates are available.
[09:14] <owen1> gedit /var/log ?
[09:14] <x1250> can you execute synaptic from the old (not the new) user?
[09:15] <jaffarkelshac> how do i stop shared folders mounting on desktop all the time, its messy
[09:15] <x1250> -> /var/log/aptitude
[09:15] <x1250> synaptic has a history also, you can check that out if you can execute it
[09:15] <owen1> x1250: wait. i am in synaptic.
[09:16] <owen1> x1250: what should i do?
[09:17] <x1250> are you checking out synaptic history log?
[09:17] <owen1> x1250: where is it?
[09:17] <x1250> in "File" menu
[09:18] <__doc__> I guess what I really need to know is, how do you get the modlines a driver for a recognized monitor would use (so you can set them manually in xorg.conf)
[09:20] <owen1> x1250: ok. there are around 100 upgrades/new installations at the last update (that required restart)
[09:20] <owen1> i can open firefox and email it. or pastie.
[09:21] <x1250> okay, pastebin.ca
[09:21] <owen1> x1250:
[09:21] <owen1> x1250: ok
[09:21] <x1250> __doc__: modlines are vertical and horizontal refresh rates?
[09:23] <__doc__> x1250: no, modelines are stuff like that:  Modeline "1920x1200@85"     268.60 1920 1936 2096 2528 1200 1201 1204 1250  -hsync -vsync
[09:23] <x1250> Ah :(
[09:24] <__doc__> they're kind esoteric to generate, usually it's just about hopeless to get the values right, it's why there's somewhere in debian/ubuntu some mechanism to support them.
[09:24] <__doc__> if the edid is reported for a monitor, and if a monitor driver is present it's all taken care of.
[09:25] <__doc__> otherwise you get the vesa modelines
[09:25] <owen1> x1250: http://pastebin.ca/970778
[09:25] <x1250> yeah, I saw them once when trying to get my monitor and vga running, but I don't know anything about them
[09:25] <__doc__> but they're crap at higher resolutions.
[09:25] <__doc__> so I need the modelines the driver has for my working monitor (that reports the edid) and apply them to the one who doesn't report the edid
[09:31] <x1250> owen1: can you comment the "hiddenmenu" option in /boot/grub/menu.lst and select an old kernel when booting? It should be -> # hiddenmenu
[09:31] <x1250> see if you have any other kernel to boot,
[09:32] <owen1> ok
[09:32] <x1250> when booting dont select 2.6.24-14, try an old version
[09:36] <owen1> x1250: i only had 5 options, 4 of them say: 2.6.24-14 but some were safemode or something similar. the fifth option say: development version or something similar. i choose it...not sure why.
[09:38] <owen1> i see blue screen with numbers running. it's 9% now.
[09:39] <owen1> x1250: should i reboot and choose something else?
[09:39] <x1250> that blue screen is gdm?
[09:39] <owen1> x1250: no. it's like dos.
[09:39] <owen1> x1250: remind me windos bios.
[09:40] <x1250> its booting without the usplash image?  Then search for the same packages but version 2.6.24-12 and install those. Then reboot and choose 2.6.24-12 kernel to boot. Maybe something got screwed when updating the kernel packages, but I don't know really...
[09:45] <x1250> #aptitude search `uname -r` | grep "^i"
[09:45] <x1250> thats better
[09:45] <owen1> ok
[09:46] <x1250> you'll see some packages like linux-image, linux-headers, restricted modules, etc
[09:46] <x1250> try installing those same packages but from version 2.6.24-12
[09:47] <owen1> no results
[09:47] <x1250> for what?
[09:48] <owen1> the command u told me
[09:48] <owen1> aptitude search...
[09:49] <owen1> i did apt-get update
[09:49] <owen1> just in case.
[09:50] <owen1> maybe they released an update that fix it..
[09:50] <x1250> ok, try this # aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.24-12-generic linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[09:53] <owen1> it could not find the image.
[09:54] <owen1>  linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic
[09:54] <owen1> oops
[09:54] <owen1> wait
[09:55] <owen1> done but 0 changes
[09:55] <owen1> 1 not upgraded.
[09:56] <x1250> which one?
[09:57] <owen1> it say: coreutils
[09:58] <owen1> have been kept back: coreutils
[09:58] <x1250> ok, but its not related. Did you install the 2.6.24-12 version?
[09:59] <|DuReX|> i'm getting 'Failed to initialize HAL!'
[09:59] <|DuReX|> any id's ?
[10:00] <owen1> it say 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[10:02] <|DuReX|> http://pastebin.com/m4b165b64
[10:02] <|DuReX|> seems like a crashing HAL, any id's :s
[10:02] <x1250> owen1: what is the result when you do a # aptitude search  linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic | grep "^i" ?
[10:05] <owen1> http://pastebin.ca/970793
[10:06] <x1250> ok, try rebooting and selecting that kernel, the first one that is 2.6.24-12
[10:06] <owen1> ok
[10:07] <owen1> got it. 1 sec
[10:07] <owen1> crossing my fingers.
[10:09] <owen1> didn't help..)-:
[10:09] <x1250> Then I'm out of ideas :(
[10:10] <owen1> x1250: i'll reinstall it and maybe not get any updates...
[10:10] <owen1> what do u think?
[10:12] <x1250> Reinstall, but get the updates, there's nothing wrong with that. Try using # aptitude safe-upgrade most of the time, and full-upgrade with caution
[10:13] <owen1> x1250: ok. thanks for the help!
[10:13] <x1250> okay, np
[10:13] <owen1> x1250: great community here
[10:13] <x1250> Man, I come from debian! :)
[10:14] <x1250> I have ubuntu on my notebook :D
[10:20] <Tuv0k> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-security/Release  Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[10:23] <mhollisjr> I have an issue with something that runs when I login to kubuntu hardy, it will just pause for 30 seconds or so while it does whatever it's doing, how can I find otu what the problem is? my Autostart directory is empty
[10:23] <mhollisjr> it happens everytime I login, even if the system is fully up and running
[10:26] <Ng> mhollisjr: 30 second pauses are very often caused by DNS lookups - maybe something is trying to do a DNS lookup on your hostname or something, before you have a network connection
[10:26] <mhollisjr> Ng: it's pausing the whole interface though, I wouldn't think it would do that would it?
[10:27] <Ng> it depends how low level the bit that's hanging is
[10:27] <mhollisjr> ok well is networking shutdown when I log out?
[10:28] <mhollisjr> because it happens if I logout and back in again too
[10:28] <Ng> hmm, I'm not sure how KDE does that, sorry
[10:28] <mhollisjr> -nod- no worries
[10:29] <mhollisjr> it only does it at login, which is annoying, but tolerable
[10:29] <bazhang> any one else having probs with ff3 and sound on youtube?
[10:30] <KAMI_Work> Hi!
[10:30] <bazhang> does disabling pulseaudio do it if so?
[10:30] <KAMI_Work> How can I use Java in browser on 64 bit enabled machine/Ubuntu 8.04?
[10:30] <KAMI_Work> IcedTea generates segfault
[10:31] <KAMI_Work> Do anyone has working solution for this?
[10:32] <nekostar> os[Linux 2.6.24-14-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[18 minutes] | cpu[Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz SMP (4 processors), 2400.033 MHz (19204.44 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 1680x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 G
[10:32] <nekostar> T/PCI/SSE2 powered by NVIDIA Corporation with driver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.12] | xchat[Version: 2.8.4] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[10:32] <nekostar> lol
[10:32] <nekostar> did a dirty upgrade
[10:32] <nekostar> :>
[10:32] <nekostar> mostly working fine
[10:32] <nekostar> though when numlock on it does the home/pageup and stuff and when off does numbers
[10:32] <nekostar> any fix for me?
[10:40] <eldaria> Hmm I think one of the resent upgrades broke Flashsupport in Konqueror again.
[10:40] <eldaria> anyone else had the same?
[10:44] <Duskin> hey
[10:45] <Duskin> so i just installed 8.04 and it came with firefox 3 beta4, what's the easiest way to update it to beta5
[10:45] <Duskin> it doesnt appear in the package manager
[10:45] <orvokki> Waiting for it? ;>
[10:46] <Duskin> beta5 is already out
[10:46] <orvokki> Eh...
[10:46] <orvokki> Programs don't get packaged and put into Ubuntu by magic right after release.
[10:47] <orvokki> There might be some community package although as I said, the *easiest* way is to wait.
[10:47] <Duskin> so if i grab the files off the mozilla website and install that way, will it still be able to be updated thru package manager?
[10:47] <Duskin> later on i mean
[10:49] <DarkMageZ> Duskin, grab it off mozilla site and run it. don't worry about installing. the ubuntu guys will probably update firefox 3 to beta 5 soon enough.
[10:49] <muszek> Duskin: it's not recommended.  Just wait a few days.  b4 was in repos quite quickly
[10:49] <Duskin> ah ok
[10:49] <Duskin> i guess ill just wait a couple days
[10:50] <Duskin> thx guys
[10:51] <muszek> I remember feeling uncomfortable because of not having the latest soft in repos right away when I switched from windows
[10:52] <muszek> but the benefits of package management are sooo much greater
[10:53] <Duskin> yea, i love the package management
[10:53] <Duskin> i just came from windows xp
[10:54] <bazhang> newer is not always better ;]
[10:54] <Duskin> i know
[10:54] <bazhang> witness vista ;]
[10:55] <Duskin> i insalled 8.04 because i figured it's so close to release i might as well have
[10:55] <muszek> lol :).  but usually it is... and it took me some time to stop really being anxious about installing "the latest beta", because it came out last night.
[11:07] <seanh> Is there a DVD for the hardy beta, or can I just burn the installation CD image to a DVD? I don't have any blank CDs handy
[11:08] <DistroJockey> seanh: DVD disk should be fine. Do you even need to burn it?
[11:09] <seanh> How would I do without burning it?
[11:09] <seanh> There seems to be a DVD version here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20080401/
[11:09] <DistroJockey> seanh: depends what you are trying to do I guess
[11:09] <afflux> morning. does anyone know why the murrine theme was removed from hardy again?
[11:09] <seanh> I usually like to do a fresh install, so I don't carry over any cruft from my past  6 months with the previous release
[11:11] <seanh> Hmm. But the DVD is a huge download and it doesn't say what extra stuff is on it. I think I'll just go with the CD image
[11:11] <DistroJockey> seanh: theoretically, you could mount the iso and install into free space or another partition I guess. Don't ask me exactly how though ;)
[11:12] <bazhang> mount the iso via loopback and run it that way ;]
[11:12] <DistroJockey> seanh: but this may help:  http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mount-and-unmout-iso-images-without-burning-them.html
[11:13] <seanh> You'd need to boot from the mounted iso somehow, that's gotta be tricky
[11:13] <bazhang> the very link I was going to get ;]
[11:13] <DistroJockey> bazhang: :)
[11:13] <bazhang> seanh: listen to DistroJockey he's the brain around here ;]
[11:13] <DistroJockey> bazhang: doesn't really say how to install from it though
[11:13] <DistroJockey> bazhang: lol
[11:14] <seanh> Yeah, so that link shows you how to mount an iso, but I don't know how you'd install from it
[11:14] <DJones> There's also this - installing from another linux partition https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux
[11:14] <bazhang> copy the iso to the hdd; amenado in main channel is the expert on that ;]
[11:15] <DistroJockey> DJones: nice link
[11:15] <seanh> that guide seems to be the thing
[11:16] <bazhang> also there is lubi and unetbootin ;]
[11:16] <DJones> !install | DistroJockey, It's linked from this
[11:16] <ubotu> DistroJockey, It's linked from this: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[11:16] <DJones> under the install without a CD
[11:16] <DistroJockey> ahh, cool. Thanks DJones
[11:16] <DJones> no probs
[11:17] <seanh> Hey this bootable install partition is cool ... it's like having a sort of system reset built in. Especially if you install /home on its own partition so it doesn't get overridden
[11:18] <DistroJockey> seanh, DJones:  usually have a rewriteable lying around and playing with Vitualbox lately, so rarely have a problem using iso's
[11:18] <DistroJockey> seanh: yeah, does look to be nice and handy
[11:18] <seanh> Yeah a rewritable would be a handy thing to keep around
[11:20] <finalbeta> What is the "correct" way to install vmware server on ubuntu hardy?
[11:21] <fromport> beter ask that @ #ubuntu-virt or #ubuntu-server (not many people respond though there)
[11:22] <finalbeta> ok, thanks.
[11:22] <bazhang> finalbeta: not sure if it is canonical partner repos yet; it was for gutsy and that is wehre I got it
[11:22] <DistroJockey> finalbeta: Virtualbox is also worth a look (if you don't specifically need vmware)
[11:36] <xoob> hey, just updated and the gdm theme changed slightly, but I liked the last one better, where can I find a copy of the previous version of the Human gdm theme?
[11:37] <DistroJockey> xoob: gnome-look.org maybe?
[11:39] <tanner_> i hate external monitors and linux
[11:41] <tanner_> nvidia's damn utility refuses to let me select other modes for my tv
[11:43] <genie> hello all
[11:43] <DistroJockey> Heyya ;)
[11:43] <genie> how to play .rm or .ram in 8.4?
[11:43] <genie> without using realplay :-)
[11:43] <DistroJockey> :)
[11:44] <tanner_> codecs exist for 32bit mplayer
[11:44] <genie> tanner_, can you give me the package name?
[11:44] <tanner_> win32codecs?
[11:45] <genie> sudo apt-get install win32codecs?
[11:45] <xoob> the other way around, how do you make firefox use realplayer for .rm or .ram? removed mplayer-plugin and totem-plugins now there's nothing
[11:45] <tanner_> no, youll have to google for it
[11:45] <DistroJockey> tanner_ , genie: if you try and open a .rm or .ram with mplayer will it ask if you want to find them?
[11:46] <tanner_> no.
[11:46] <genie> no
[11:46] <DistroJockey> bummer
[11:46] <genie> let me to try to open it
[11:46] <harmental> hey guys..has anyone been experiencing sudden freezes with Hardy?
[11:47] <DistroJockey> harmental:  Not here. Total or partial?
[11:47] <harmental> total
[11:48] <harmental> DistroJockey: I have to reboot using the power button
[11:48] <harmental> freezes are totally random
[11:48] <muszek> harmental: do you know about raising skinny elephants?
[11:49] <muszek> harmental: a procedure that is safer than hard reboot and is often doable when system is unresponsive
[11:49] <DistroJockey> harmental: next time it happens, a more graceful way is to hold down  Alt+SysRq and press the following keys in order with a few seconds pause between each:  S I E U B
[11:50] <muszek> DistroJockey: I learnt R S E I U B (raising skinny elephants is utterly boring)
[11:50] <DistroJockey> muszek: cool :) what's the R for?
[11:50] <lintel> hi, I have some time over the weekend - is there a Heron nightly build avail. for debugging?
[11:50] <harmental> DistroJockey: are you serious?????
[11:50] <muszek> DistroJockey: dunno, lemme find it
[11:51] <DistroJockey> harmental: yep
[11:51] <DistroJockey> harmental: magic sysrq key
[11:51] <muszek> harmental, DistroJockey: http://www.brunolinux.com/01-First_Things_To_Know/Skinny_Elephants.html
[11:51] <harmental> DistroJockey: which key is sysrq?
[11:51] <DistroJockey> harmental: Print Screen
[11:51] <Lamego> Print Screen
[11:51] <Ng> lintel: there may be nightlies on cdimage.ubuntu.com, if not you could grab the beta and update it
[11:52] <DistroJockey> I remember it by: So Everything Is Unterly Borked  ;)
[11:52] <DistroJockey> Uterly^
[11:52] <muszek> lol :)
[11:52] <DistroJockey> heh
[11:52] <harmental> DistroJockey: ill try that next time...thx!
[11:52] <muszek> that's more appropriate
[11:53] <DistroJockey> harmental: you're welcome. But as for the freezing, as I said no problem here.
[11:53] <Amaranth> crap another kernel abi bump
[11:53] <Amaranth> i haven't even rebooted to go to -14 yet
[11:53] <harmental> i guess...its something ill have to live with for some weeks...
[11:54] <DistroJockey> harmental: yeah, not long to go now :)
[11:54] <harmental> everything else works like a charm...cant complain....
[11:54] <DistroJockey> Amaranth: all updates working fine here
[11:54] <bazhang> wow I am still on -12; what the?
[11:55] <lintel> Ng: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hardy-desktop-i386.iso <= this one? thanks
[11:55] <Amaranth> DistroJockey: I'm not worried about that
[11:55] <Amaranth> I just don't reboot unless I need to
[11:55] <DistroJockey> Amaranth: even did that partial yesterday with only atiev crashing
[11:55] <Ng> lintel: sounds like a good one to go for
[11:55] <bazhang> and no updates around ;[
[11:55] <Amaranth> I'm pretty sure I can fix any problem that might show up
[11:55] <DistroJockey> Amaranth: :)
[12:01] <genie> DistroJockey, I try to open one .rm and I got this: Sipro/ACELP.NET Voice decoder plugin
[12:01] <genie> DistroJockey, how can I install this plugin?
[12:02] <DistroJockey> hmm
[12:04] <DistroJockey> genie: no idea sorry
[12:05] <genie> DistroJockey, thanks man :-)
[12:05] <DistroJockey> genie: someone one google had to install realplayer to get it to work though
[12:05]  * DistroJockey shudders
[12:06] <DistroJockey> someone on google^
[12:06] <genie> yes, I see this in this URL: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-539494.html
[12:06] <genie> but I need to paly it without realplay
[12:06] <DistroJockey> genie: that's the one :)
[12:06] <genie> (y)
[12:07] <DistroJockey> genie: you may have to use realplayer, just have a backup I guess, just incase
[12:08] <DistroJockey> genie: And you're welcome. But as I said, I don't do Realplayer.
[12:08] <tanner> realplayer should die :)
[12:09] <genie> I prefer not use it too
[12:09] <DistroJockey> tanner: It can do what it likes as far as I'm concerned, I just won't use it :)
[12:10] <tanner> h264 is quite lovely :)
[12:10] <tanner> although very processor intensive
[12:10] <genie> DistroJockey, infact some of my .rm files paly with totem but others will give the error which I show you
[12:10] <DistroJockey> genie: ahh. Please do.
[12:11]  * jimiridge catches mass sarcasm
[12:11] <DistroJockey> genie: not that I deal with video much. And maybe something in Mythbuntu will help?
[12:12] <DistroJockey> well I wasn't being sarcastic
[12:12] <tanner> ugh wtf
[12:12] <tanner> 10MB/s over eSATA
[12:12] <DistroJockey> eww!
[12:13] <tanner> this is not right at all
[12:13] <NW2190> Hi, I does anyone know where items in the trash bin are if they aren't in ~/.Trash or /home/.Trash-user?
[12:13] <tanner> ever since i changed to hardy, transfers from disk to anything else is unbelievably slow
[12:13] <genie> DistroJockey, I am using 7.10 I just install my new pc hardware and I load 8.4 on it - I just want to install most of the common codes available for Totem
[12:14] <genie> DistroJockey, so I can playback all my music files with mplayer only
[12:14] <DistroJockey> genie: I stick with flash and the mp's, seems to work
[12:14] <DistroJockey> ohh and the wmv's
[12:15] <genie> flash ?
[12:15] <DistroJockey> and maybe an avi or 2
[12:15] <tanner> erm perhaps that is why.. ext3..
[12:15] <DistroJockey> google video, youtube
[12:16] <DistroJockey> genie: I have not seen a .rm or .ram in ages :)
[12:16] <genie> really?
[12:16] <tanner> DistroJockey: hopefully that is a sign of good fortune :D
[12:16] <DistroJockey> for ages, yeah true
[12:17] <Exilant> tanner: well, ext3 isn't unbelievably slow
[12:17] <tanner> Exilant: no, of course not
[12:17] <DistroJockey> tanner: yeah :)
[12:17] <genie> I normally convert it in my windows to .mp
[12:17] <genie> to .mp3
[12:18] <tanner> perhaps one day open and free standards will reign supreme
[12:18] <ty> hello, my update manager is freezing up as soon as i click install updates, i cant close it same thing happens when i try to use add/remove
[12:18] <DistroJockey> tanner: they already do for people that know what they are doing
[12:19] <DistroJockey> and I'm not saying I'm one of those people totally yet, but I'm getting there :)
[12:19] <tanner> DistroJockey: however i refer to those who provide the content
[12:20] <DistroJockey> tanner: ahh, *nods*
[12:21] <DistroJockey> tanner: restricted = more $ to them I guess
[12:21] <DistroJockey> but also less coverage
[12:24] <tanner> they seem to think so
[12:24] <tanner> but they also believe spending billions on DRM technology will prevent us for circumventing it :D
[12:26] <tanner> eSATA should not be going at 7MB/s
[12:32] <martalli> I have a computer with a fairly full root partition...Not enough space to download all the packages for hardy...Would upgrading witht he alternative CD reduce the amount of packages necessary, or would the packages be unpackaged onto my root partition before installation?
[12:34] <Dr_willis> heh - i seem to have 200+mb of updated a day on my hardy box.
[12:34] <Dr_willis> so it downloads 200+mb, then installs them, then only needs like 10mb more.. but it had to download all 200.
[12:35] <martalli> Yeah...its a tight fit for me: /dev/sda6             5.8G  5.0G  573M  90% /
[12:35] <Exilant> martalli: well, you could temporaryly mount something (usbstick or whatever) as /var/cache
[12:35] <Dr_willis> ick
[12:35] <Dr_willis> martalli,  good idea
[12:36] <Dr_willis> martalli,  thats the ONLY hard drive you got?
[12:36] <martalli> I can do regular updates just fine, it's the upgrade that will be a problem...
[12:36] <Dr_willis> you could even put /var/cache  on some other partition if needed.
[12:36] <Lynoure> usb stick as cache means a quick death for that usb stick...
[12:36] <martalli> lol it's a 300 gb hard drive, but the partitions have been setup wsince back when I was still using windows a lot
[12:36] <Lynoure> lots of writing is not good for them.
[12:36] <Exilant> yes
[12:37] <Dr_willis> I hear that most new usb sticks can handle it.
[12:37] <Exilant> but it should be good for about 10000 cycles
[12:37] <Exilant> 1000 if conservative
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> So people say - I am not sure whether its true now though
[12:37] <Dr_willis> ive had more hard drives die then USB sticks. :)
[12:37] <martalli> Is /var/cache the only directory that needs to be linked elsewhere?
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> I have never broken a usb stick yet
[12:37] <Dr_willis> martalli,  its a good canadate. You may want to move some other stuff around
[12:37] <martalli> Well, I have *physically* broken usb sticks by accident...
[12:38] <Exilant> i think windows vista has some feature to use them as a kind of cache
[12:38] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: in the same time, with same usage? I'd say most usb sticks get very floppy-like usage still.
[12:38] <Dr_willis> if you have a large amount of space on some other partition, you could link /var/cache there.
[12:38] <Dr_willis> I tend to fill up my 4gb stick every day. take it to work, copy stuff over, delete.. repeate..
[12:38] <martalli> Already deleted a fair amount of programs...but this same partition has been upgraded through 6.06 (iirc) and had mandriva on it before that (started with mdk 9.2 actually...)
[12:39] <Exilant> martalli: i did a repartitioning before updating to hardy, had 100% on my / before...
[12:39] <Dr_willis> I think you may want to do some resizing with gparted. :) soon.
[12:40] <martalli> Yeah, I'm thinking of nixing the windows partition and getting vbox setup with xp...Ironically, I will probably use xp *more* often if I can just pop it up with vbox once in a while...
[12:41] <tanner> oh great, now my usb drive isnt recognized
[12:41] <martalli> So what, I delete var/cache and link it to /home/var-cache (different partition: /dev/sda8             153G   56G   90G  39% /home)
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> Why don't you just move /usr somewhere else
[12:42] <Exilant> that should work
[12:42] <Dr_willis> ive had /usr on my /home partition befor :)
[12:42] <Dr_willis> theres some that cant be  moved. but i forget which ones.
[12:42] <Exilant> as long as you don't install that much that it won't fit anymore
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> etc
[12:42] <martalli> Wow, that sounds extreme...but that might work...I'm just afraid something won't copy right....permissions and such
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> No others afaik
[12:42] <Dr_willis> well they are often needed befor others filesystems get mounted.. so moving them and using ln -s, can cause issues
[12:43] <martalli> I think I will clear out the windows partition and repartition...Maybe just get a new hard drive (while they are still selling PATA drives...)
[12:44] <__doc__> I've finally gotten both my screens setup, but this was an exercise in hardcore xorg.conf editing, including the help of nvidia-settings and amic modline generator. none of the tools included on hardy would make any progress whatsoever.
[12:44] <__doc__> I find this a bit frightening, say, for the ordinary user.
[12:45] <Dr_willis> i imagine pata drives will be around for some time...
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: __doc__ Why was dynamic twinview not working ?
[12:45] <Dr_willis> ive only recently stated seeing SATA Dvd burners at reasonable prices.
[12:45] <Dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  no idea.  I dont recall using 'dynamic' twinview befir.. just 'twinview' :)
[12:45] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: I don't know why it wasn't working. Though I do know that one (of my two identical) monitors isn't giving out an edid
[12:46] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: nvidia-settings recognized at least that there are two screens, but was also unable to dected the monitor.
[12:46] <Dr_willis> ive seen some of the nvidia cards that do NOT like it  - if you powerup WITHOUT both monitors plugged in.
[12:46] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: which is where the modline generator comes in to create the appropriate modeline for that monitor and then hand-configure that in after nvidia-settings.
[12:46] <h3sp4wn> __doc__: But they are identical so you can just get the edid from the one is ok
[12:46] <Dr_willis> I tend to run the nvidia-xconfig --twinview command, then run the sudo nvidia-settings tool
[12:47] <tanner> it seems to be a linux/x server issue
[12:47] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: well, I can get the edid, but there's no way to tell xorg to use that one for the other monitor is there?
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> __doc__: And then manually add it into nvidia-settings
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> __doc__: You can do that still inside nvidia-settings
[12:48] <Dr_willis> finding some example twinview enabled xorg.conf files - and comoaring to yours may help.
[12:49] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: I don't see where that should work.
[12:49] <Dr_willis> you did tell the system to enable twinview with 'nvidia-xconfig --twinview' ?
[12:49] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: I can acquire the edid for the good monitor with nvidia-settings, but there's no way to set it for the other monitor.
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> __doc__: Just provide that edid for both screens
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> The file that is extracted
[12:50] <|DuReX|> pfft :( still trying to get my tv card running, its no go :(
[12:50] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: yes, what to do with it?
[12:52] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: there's nothing I can do with the edid.bin file, I still need that modline and still need to hand-edit xorg.conf
[12:52] <DistroJockey> |DuReX|: not a compro is it?
[12:53] <__doc__> h3sp4wn: I still went trough 5 or so modline calculators (luckily none of which killed my monitor) until I hit one that worked.
[12:53] <__doc__> it's... horrible
[12:53]  * Dr_willis wonders what card and montitors __doc__  has.
[12:54] <__doc__> Dr_willis: Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS and 2x Sony GDM-FW900
[12:54] <Dr_willis> lcd monitors?
[12:54] <__doc__> Dr_willis: CRT
[12:54] <Dr_willis> Not using dvi conectors?
[12:54] <__doc__> analog
[12:55] <Dr_willis> Ick. :)
[12:55] <__doc__> (like all CRTs)
[12:55] <Dr_willis> Best thing i ever did was get rid of the vga.
[12:55] <tanner> my 1080p LCD TV has a VGA connector
[12:55] <Dr_willis> i have seen crts that use dvi.. But i forget where..   :P
[12:56] <__doc__> Dr_willis: it works now, because I'm an über geek user...
[12:56] <Dr_willis> UberUbuntu!
[12:56] <Dr_willis> :) that would be a good name for a new variant!~
[12:56] <Dr_willis> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Top-10-Ubuntu-based-Distributions-78211.shtml
[12:57] <Lynoure> leaf distros seem to be trendy now
[12:58] <Dr_willis> Minibuntu is the tiny Ubuntu remix you can build on! :)
[13:01] <Dr_willis> http://www.fluxbuntu.org/  Never noticed there was a fluxbuntu
[13:03] <Zelta> There is, but it is far from finished
[13:04] <h3sp4wn> fluxbuntu is not bad - doesn't suffer at the hands of Ubuntu the way k and x buntu do
[13:04] <Zelta> Doing a base command line install with fluxbox on top is more efficient
[13:04] <tanner> ugh
[13:04] <tanner> damn program refuses to die
[13:04] <Dr_willis> I would like to see kde and gnome both go more with the 'standard/origiaal/defaults' of kde and gnome.
[13:05] <Dr_willis> Too many distros tweak kde and gnome so much. ya go to some other disrto with kde/gnome and you can end up bery confused. ;P
[13:05] <h3sp4wn> tanner: upstart has never worked as well in such situations for me
[13:05] <tanner> upstart?
[13:05] <h3sp4wn> What they replaced init with
[13:05] <Zelta> Dr_willis: But you could just use Foresight Linux if you wanted something with GNOME not really tweaked at all
[13:05] <Ng> tanner: my TV is hooked up via HDMI rather than VGA, but I found the easiest way to get it to display 1080p was to just move my xorg.conf out of the way and let X detect everything itself ;)
[13:06] <levmatta> does anybody know whats the  default theme now? human or human-murrine ????
[13:06] <tanner> h3sp4wn: not sure how that helps with the fact lsusb refuses to di
[13:06] <tanner> die*
[13:07] <levmatta> anyone?
[13:08] <Dr_willis> Nevernoticed. :) first thing i do is set the theme to Plastik.
[13:09] <h3sp4wn> tanner: Well it (was?) the responsibility of init to deal with it - the user shouldn't have to care
[13:09] <Derspankster> levmatta: why does it matter?
[13:09] <tanner> either way, it refuses to die
[13:10] <tanner> and as a result i am unable to unmount
[13:10] <DistroJockey> levmatta: it's called    human-theme
[13:10] <levmatta> Yeah I guess your right, I just tink that the deafult will continue to evolvve
[13:10] <tanner> Ng: hmm interesting
[13:11] <marcules> ^^
[13:11] <levmatta> so not human murrine, interesting
[13:11] <DistroJockey> levmatta: agreed
[13:11] <DistroJockey> levmatta: who in murrine anyway?
[13:12] <Pici> human-murrine is still there, just not the default iirc.
[13:12] <Zelta> levmatta: The theme is still called "Human," but the engine is now Murrine
[13:12] <DistroJockey> or what
[13:12] <Pici> Zelta: I see both human and human-murrine in my appearance tool.
[13:12] <Zelta> one uses the murrine engine, one does not
[13:13] <levmatta> until last week my ubuntu was  in a theme called "Custom", and that was not my doing
[13:13] <Pici> Yes.
[13:13] <DistroJockey> ohh
[13:13] <Ng> tanner: what state is lsusb in? (ps auwfx | grep lsusb        8th column).. should be R, S, T, D or Z
[13:14] <levmatta> on another topic, I heard that linux is harmfull to laptop HDs
[13:14] <Dr_willis> i recall it showing 'custome' as the theme befor in other ubuntu releases.. I normally 'save'  the default settings to a theme called 'default theme' :)
[13:14] <tanner> S+
[13:14] <Dr_willis> levmatta,  the over-conservitive default powersaving setting on some laptop hard drives are harmfull to laptop hds
[13:14] <Ng> weird, S should mean it's killable
[13:15] <levmatta> so I better use Smartmontools, is that it?
[13:15] <Ng> no
[13:15] <Ng> you better stop believing the nonsense that gets talked about hard disks
[13:15] <Dr_willis> I dont think smartmontools helps much. Check your hd. and if it has the 'problem' enable more senseable power saving modes.
[13:16] <tanner> it will not die
[13:16] <tanner> oh erm
[13:16] <tanner> "D"
[13:16] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of hype on the topic.  and  yes. i have a laptop with the 'issue' and its still going strong after clicking away for 2+ years
[13:16] <tanner> S+ was the grep lsusb command ^_^
[13:16] <Ng> tanner: D means it's waiting for the kernel to respond, so you can't kill it
[13:16] <levmatta> Dr_willis: how do I do that?
[13:16] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: What manufacturer is the harddrive ?
[13:17] <tanner> well, the kernel isnt going to respond because part of the framework crashed
[13:17] <Dr_willis> I was thinking it was some hitachi .. but i think the issue affets other drives as well
[13:17] <h3sp4wn> I had a western digital
[13:17] <levmatta> I heard it depends on the mannufacture as well
[13:17] <h3sp4wn> that had the issue there was even a bios update to fix it
[13:17] <Ng> tanner: then lsusb is stuck until you reboot
[13:18] <tanner> so, so annoying
[13:18] <Dr_willis> http://www.linux-hero.com/rant/explanation-ubuntu-hard-drive-wear-and-tear
[13:18] <DreamThief> with hardy beta an latest updates my default xubuntu desktop wont come up anymore. computer was set up yesterday. after logon I only see the wallpaper and that's all. I tried to remove all config files hoping xfce would come up again, but is still does not. anyone got any ideas?
[13:18] <jaffarkelshac> is there a way to install nvidia drivers on my system. its all messed up after update
[13:18] <Ng> levmatta: this is the point - linux doesn't make any changes to the hardware power management settings for the disks, so if your BIOS/HD people are clueless, then maybe your disk will wear out quickly, but it seems to be pretty rare
[13:19] <levmatta> I have a Dell, with the most current BIOS
[13:19] <jaffarkelshac> is there a way to install nvidia drivers on my system. its all messed up after update
[13:19] <Dr_willis> im not even seen any PROOF that the clicking makjes the hd ware out quickly.
[13:19] <Ng> Dr_willis: who needs proof when you have opinions and a blog? ;)
[13:20] <Dr_willis> people say  the life span is reduced.. but really  so the hd lasts 'only' 5 years.. instead of 10..
[13:20] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: I know it annoyed the hell out of me
[13:20] <Dr_willis> i couldent even tell mine was clicky till i got it home
[13:20] <levmatta> thank Ng, Dr_Willis and h3sp4wn
[13:21] <h3sp4wn> In the end I just swapped out the drive for one that didn't click - I use the other externally for backing up thats all
[13:21] <dns53> jaffarkelshac install nvidia-glx should install the drivers, there is the legacy drivers as well
[13:21] <savvas> which nvidia model?
[13:22] <jaffarkelshac> i am using 7300gt
[13:22] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[13:23] <jaffarkelshac> i used locate nvidia and it seems it is already installed
[13:24] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: did you download it from the nvidia.com site?
[13:24] <jaffarkelshac> i have not downloaded anything yet from nvidia
[13:24] <savvas> and you shouldn't :P
[13:24] <savvas> um, do this: uname -a
[13:25] <savvas> what's the output?
[13:25] <jaffarkelshac> Linux Chapai 2.6.24-14-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 3 04:49:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:26] <savvas> chapai?
[13:26] <jaffarkelshac> hostname
[13:26] <savvas> oh ok
[13:27] <h3sp4wn> jaffarkelshac: On a card such as yours its might be worth trying nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new
[13:27] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-generic | grep Installed
[13:27] <h3sp4wn> (Different bugs)
[13:28] <jaffarkelshac> savvas, <IP_ADDRESS>-14.32 is the output
[13:29] <savvas> it should work then, try this: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new | grep Installed
[13:30] <DreamThief> with hardy beta and latest updates my default xubuntu desktop wont come up anymore. computer was set up yesterday. after logon I only see the wallpaper and that's all. I tried to remove all config files hoping xfce would come up again, but is still does not. anyone got any ideas?
[13:32] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: Try stopping gdm and just using ciniy
[13:32] <h3sp4wn> *xinit
[13:32] <Dr_willis> or 'startx' and look at the logs/output.
[13:32] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: Then you can run - startxfce4 from the xterm you get
[13:33] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new | grep Installed
[13:33] <Dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  bingo. :) if you set up your .xinitrc you can get a nice xterm to toy with.
[13:33] <jaffarkelshac>  169.12+<IP_ADDRESS>-14.32 savvas
[13:34] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx-new
[13:35] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: tell me when it's done
[13:37] <jaffarkelshac> savvas, done
[13:37] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[13:37] <DreamThief> h3sp4wn: wait a minute
[13:38] <jaffarkelshac> i get a validation error, xorg.conf needs driver line
[13:38] <DreamThief> h3sp4wn: this works, but only starts plain x with a terminal emulator ^^
[13:38] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: Thats what its supposed to do
[13:38] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[13:38] <DreamThief> h3sp4wn: ;)
[13:39] <jaffarkelshac> savvas,  that option never gives me any graphics option
[13:39] <DreamThief> h3sp4wn: okay, so any other ideas? *g*
[13:39] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: just run ''startxfce4 &''
[13:39] <DreamThief> okay
[13:39] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: If this works is not xfce at all (its gdm or something else)
[13:39] <DreamThief> h3sp4wn:
[13:39] <DreamThief> wow
[13:39] <DreamThief> :D
[13:39] <DreamThief> #it worked
[13:39] <DreamThief> halleluja
[13:39] <DreamThief> ;)
[13:40] <savvas> jaffarkelshac, never mind that just try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[13:40] <jaffarkelshac> savvas, done
[13:40] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[13:41] <jaffarkelshac> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[13:41] <jaffarkelshac>                   Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver
[13:41] <jaffarkelshac>                   line.
[13:41] <savvas> bah
[13:41] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: you have a graphical interface there right?
[13:42] <jaffarkelshac> yeah
[13:42] <DreamThief> hm
[13:42] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:42] <pepie34> still having no wifi with the new kernel update
[13:42] <pepie34> any one else?
[13:42] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: find Section "Device"
[13:42] <DreamThief> so where to start for debugging if its a gdm or otherwise related problem?
[13:42] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: If you use startx instead of xinit then you get the window manager loading mnormally
[13:42] <Dr_willis> The new Minimal-X config setup confused the nvidia setting tools.
[13:43] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: add this line in the section: Driver "nvidia"
[13:43] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: Try an alternative maybe
[13:43] <jaffarkelshac> savvas, brb
[13:43] <Dr_willis> DreamThief,  isntall a different window maanger, (like jwm) and edit .xinitrc tolaunch it, and try 'startx' also. as a test
[13:43] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: save, close gedit and then do: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[13:43] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: ok
[13:44] <h3sp4wn> DreamThief: I would usually try xdm
[13:44] <DreamThief> startx also produces only wallpaper and cursor
[13:44] <DreamThief> nothing else
[13:44] <DreamThief> okay, i'll try xdm
[13:44] <Dr_willis> DreamThief,  its trying to launch gnome. check the console, with alt-ctrl-f1 to see if any erorr messages are showing up as you run X
[13:45] <jaffarkelshac> it worked savvas
[13:45] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: ok, now restart your gnome with ctrl-alt-backspace :)
[13:45] <DreamThief> Dr_willis: thx, i'll have a look
[13:45] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: or logoff :)
[13:47] <Dr_willis> Hmm... at the fluxbuntu web site. and i cant even find a download link. :)
[13:47] <Dr_willis> http://www.fluxbuntu.org/js.html
[13:47] <DreamThief> Dr_willis: it's a server install with sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:48] <DreamThief> hm, with xdm it still doesn't work as expected
[13:48] <Dr_willis> DreamThief,  they dont state that at the web site. :) they imply its not.. but then again.. they dont sacutlly Say a lot...
[13:48] <DreamThief> *grml*
[13:49] <DreamThief> woah
[13:49] <Dr_willis> aha - what a badly done web site.. each initial page has a 'get more information link' that lead you to another page..
[13:49] <DreamThief> damn
[13:50] <jf> Why doesn't shortcut to home dir work?
[13:50] <DreamThief> lol
[13:50] <DreamThief> it works
[13:50] <DreamThief> it was just sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[13:51] <DreamThief> Dr_willis: as you said, it wanted to start gnome instead of xfce
[13:51] <DreamThief> thanks for your help everyone
[13:51] <jf> DreamThief: Not in hardy, for me.
[13:51] <Dr_willis> DreamThief,  :) sounds like a gnome/gnome settings issue
[13:52] <Dr_willis> DreamThief,  make .xinitrc just launch a terminal, then try 'gnome-session' in the terminal to see all sorts of fancy info/error messages
[13:52] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: works?
[13:52] <h3sp4wn> or just remove gnome if you didn't even want it in the first place
[13:53] <jaffarkelshac> savvas i got a input not supported, but luckily i had vnc set p and changed the refresh rate which was now available. so yes it works. thank you
[13:53] <Dr_willis> apt-get install jwm
[13:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:53] <h3sp4wn> (Change it so you don't get recommends as depends while you are at it)
[13:54] <savvas> jaffarkelshac: you can setup the xorg.conf properly with the screens and graphics tool: gksu displayconfig-gtk
[13:54] <jaffarkelshac> savvas, you have been most helpful thanks
[13:54] <savvas> n/p :)
[13:55] <CoasterMaster> So if my machine shut down during an upgrade (I pressed the power button on my laptop expecting the log off, shut down, lock screen etc) to lock my screen but it just started shutting down), I'm pretty much hosed, yeah?
[13:55] <jaffarkelshac> savvas, what is the diff between using gksu or sudo
[13:55] <Pici> CoasterMaster: uh. If it was in the downloading stage, you're probably fine. If not.  Then yes, you're probably sol.
[13:55] <savvas> CoasterMaster: not necessarily, this should do the trick: sudo apt-get -f install
[13:56] <zengen> Hi, is there anything to be aware of if I'm using Gutsy's latest kernel with Hardy right now?  I switch to it when I need to run vmware.
[13:56] <CoasterMaster> Pici, oh yeah it would have been nice if it was downloading packages, but no such luck :(
[13:57] <Pici> CoasterMaster: If what savvas suggested didn't work, I dont think it would be worth the effort of figuring out what exactly is wrong.
[13:57] <IdleOne> usualy install -f should do the trick
[13:57] <CoasterMaster> Pici, yeah I'll do that.  I'm in the LiveCD right now (awesome recovery tool) and I'm planning on copying my home folder and re-installing.  Oh well it happens
[13:58] <h3sp4wn> CoasterMaster: Shouldn't be too bad
[13:58] <CoasterMaster> savvas, IdleOne I'll give sudo apt-get install -f
[13:58] <CoasterMaster> although I'm assuming if I boot in to the command line, wifi won't be connected
[13:58] <ampex> is switching display resolutions in kde not working with kubuntu 8.04?
[13:58] <effie_jayx> is virtualbox broken atm?
[13:59] <IdleOne> CoasterMaster: if not sounds like you already have a good action plan. think about creating a seperate /home if you do end up re-installing
[13:59] <CoasterMaster> IdleOne, ya know I did that once but for some reason I didn't like it.....hmmmm
[14:00] <ampex> effie_jayx: virtualbox downloaded from sun works fine here
[14:00] <ampex> effie_jayx: I don't use the ubuntu repository version
[14:00] <savvas> CoasterMaster: it doesn't have to be connected, 1) if you were in the downloading stage, as Pici said, nothing should be wrong 2) if you have passed the downloading level, it probably got what it needed for an upgrade :)
[14:00] <effie_jayx> ampex,  well I tried the version from the repos and seems broken... dependecies not met
[14:01] <CoasterMaster> savvas, oh good point...I didn't even think of that!
[14:01] <CoasterMaster> well, I'm goin off to try this
[14:01] <h3sp4wn> CoasterMaster: Worst you are likely to have to do is manually edit a few files
[14:02] <savvas> "break a laptop" - instead of a leg ;p
[14:02] <h3sp4wn> (that are corrupted - and then reinstall all the last update to be safe - 10 mins max
[14:02] <IdleOne> hehe
[14:02] <effie_jayx> can I report that as a bug?
[14:02] <jaffarkelshac> when i have to use multiply application that both use sound i have to close one before sound comes though the other. any work around?
[14:03] <savvas> h3sp4wn: in that case, i'd put in a live cd and chroot and reinstall ubuntu-desktop :P
[14:04] <_MMA_> Anyone know about /dev/vboxdrv not being created currently?
[14:04] <savvas> effie_jayx: probably its dependencies aren't built yet, it's not a bug, just a priority push :)
[14:04] <ampex> I rebooted after installing some updates and my resolution is 640x480 with nvidia hardware
[14:04] <effie_jayx> ok
[14:04] <effie_jayx> savvas,
[14:04] <jaffarkelshac> i just got mine fixed by savvas
[14:05] <savvas> oh noes
[14:05] <jaffarkelshac> why is this such a problem
[14:05] <h3sp4wn> savvas: What would you do - if you was a train didn't bother to bring anything - and it had to be fixed urgently
[14:06] <dotech> ouch.
[14:06] <savvas> h3sp4wn: call an engineer hehehe
[14:06] <dotech> yea, thats basically what we're asked to do on a daily basis haha
[14:06] <dotech> except its not just a broken train, its typically a train wreck
[14:07] <CardinalFang> Moin.  Is there a new x-configurator in hardy?  other than "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[14:07] <savvas> ampex: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/04/%23ubuntu+1.html - start reading from (search for): which nvidia model
[14:10] <ampex> savvas: hard to tell what the actual fix was
[14:10] <ampex> savvas: so dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server doesn't add Device now?
[14:10] <ampex> savvas: is there a replacement?
[14:13] <savvas> ampex: no idea, i told him to add that line and it fixed it
[14:13] <savvas> apart from that, someone should file a bug about it :)
[14:14] <ampex> I believe I'm still using the nvidia driver
[14:16] <ampex> but my resolution is 640x480 and I don't know what/how to edit the xorg.conf to get 1280x1024 back
[14:26] <h3sp4wn> ampex: Once you are in X can it be changed with xrandr
[14:35] <nacho> Hi
[14:35] <nacho> are there any possibility to include gtranslator from trunk in hardy?
[14:58] <qaws> hi, how can I fix hardy pls, when I cannot run apt-get update, because it results in "FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor  E: Method http has died unexpectedly!" I am now only chrooted to hardy, because it does not want to start
[15:02] <justdave> so on Hardy when I put a DVD in, there's an app that comes up and tries to play it...
[15:02] <justdave> how do I disable that?
[15:02] <justdave> I can't find anything obvious anywhere
[15:03] <justdave> it's a MythTV box, it's interfering with Myth being able to play the DVDs, because this other app (which isn't labeled anywhere in its UI what it's name is) keeps grabbing it first
[15:04] <justdave> ok, found a matching icon, looks like it's totem
[15:05] <justdave> there's a "Removable Drives and Media" control panel that has a CD for an icon, so you'd think it would be in there, but there's no mention of CDs or DVDs in that panel
[15:05] <justdave> just Cameras, PDAs, Printers & Scanners, and Input Devices
[15:06] <h3sp4wn> justdave: Does it still do that if dbus and hal are not running ?
[15:06] <h3sp4wn> look in /etc/dbus-1
[15:07] <Ng> justdave: it's in nautilus preferences
[15:07] <qaws> my problem is solved, tgx
[15:07] <qaws> *thx
[15:09] <Ng> the removeable device settings used to be in the Removeable Drives and Media thing, but nautilus handles it now
[15:09] <Ng> apart from a few bits which are still in the (now confusingly named) Removeable drives thingy
[15:09] <justdave> and the Nautilus prefs aren't easy to find.
[15:10] <justdave> have to actually open a browser window first :)
[15:10] <justdave> found it though
[15:10] <justdave> thanks
[15:10] <Ng> you can run nautilus-file-management-properties and there used to be a preferences menu item for it back in edgy/feisty, but it was removed
[15:10] <Ng> the preferences list is quite full enough already ;)
[15:11] <justdave> hmm, dvd device location must have changed, too
[15:12] <justdave> myth is telling me
[15:12] <justdave> libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd
[15:12] <justdave> No such file or directory
[15:12] <justdave> looks like /dev/scd0 is where it's showing up now
[15:13] <justdave> there's a symlink to that from /dev/dvd1, but no /dev/dvd
[15:13]  * justdave adds another symlink
[15:13] <Ng> that sounds like myth is being unhelpful and hal isn't making a /dev/dvd link
[15:14] <h3sp4wn> You can just add your own udev rule if you want
[15:14] <justdave> and I have no sound....
[15:15] <justdave> because I just rebooted and forgot to pick the -12 kernel off the grub menu
[15:15] <justdave> sound is broken in -14 on my system
[15:15]  * justdave reboots
[15:16]  * justdave makes a note to change the default in grub.conf after it comes back up
[15:18] <DanaG> Oh, look at the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cdrom.rules
[15:19] <DanaG> That sets symlink names.
[15:19] <justdave> hmm, -12 puts dvd -> hda
[15:19] <justdave> -14 puts dvd1 -> scd0
[15:20] <DanaG> Aah, I see... it must've changed what PATA or SATA driver it was using.
[15:20] <DanaG> hda is the old IDE subsystem; scd0 is the new SCSI-based version.
[15:23] <yahuuu> i want to install ubuntu 7.10 on my 2nd HDD, i have 2 HDD in my pc, 1 for windows and other i want to install ubuntu, when i restart the pc and click on the install button, my screen turns black and display this message by ubuntu " (initramfs) type help for more commands
[15:23] <Arelis> Hardy's been delayed?
[15:24] <Lamego> no
[15:24] <Arelis> Hardy in #ubuntu+1 (release in June, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron or #ubuntu+1
[15:25] <_ruben> !hardy
[15:25] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[15:25] <Hairufr> Hey all, is Xorg broken? I have some issues. It refuses to adjust my resolution when I use the nvidia driver, autoconfig is broken, only works for keyboard and I cannot manually configure xorg conf, it just resets the res to 640x800
[15:27] <Templer> hi there have many you guys tried the new ubuntu "hardy"?
[15:27] <Hairufr> Templer: I have, besides my resolution problems it works fine on my system
[15:27] <DanaG> http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/03/hardy-heron-wallpaper-fela-kuti-botch.html
[15:27] <yahuuu> i want to install ubuntu 7.10 on my 2nd HDD, i have 2 HDD in my pc, 1 for windows and other i want to install ubuntu, when i restart the pc and click on the install button, my screen turns black and display this message by ubuntu " (initramfs) type help for more commands
[15:28] <DanaG> I'd a gree with those.
[15:28] <Templer> is it much of an improvement
[15:28] <_ruben> yahuuu: 7.10 is not ubuntu+1 material
[15:28] <yahuuu> cant u guys help me ?
[15:28] <Templer> ya i had loads of resolution problems when i upgraded to gusty
[15:28] <Hairufr> yahuuu: You just asked in #ubuntu be patient and wait for an answer :)
[15:29] <yahuuu> grrrr
[15:29] <yahuuu> they are talking to each other :)
[15:29] <Lynoure> yahuuu: this is not support channel for 7.10 at all
[15:29] <Hairufr> Templer: Same here, it's very annoying, but I was able to make it work, nvidia driver refuses to work with 8
[15:29] <Hairufr> yahuuu: Be patient, if someone knows, someone will answer
[15:29] <googlah> yahuuu: Join #ubuntu for that
[15:29] <yahuuu> ok :)
[15:29] <Templer> ya thats the prob i had with nvidia and it eventually blew a monitor
[15:30] <Templer> with wrong driver
[15:30] <Hairufr> Templer: Know if it's a driver or xorg issue? I have a 7950gt
[15:30] <Hairufr> Templer: And I had that accused for a while, because it broke out of the blue, even tried older releases, same problems
[15:31] <Templer> dont know how but it was caused my it to overheat first
[15:31] <Templer> there were 2 nvidia drivers
[15:31] <Hairufr> annoying
[15:31] <Templer> as far as i can remember
[15:31] <Templer> i had the wrong one first
[15:31] <igormorgado> i have notice that mouse acceleration control has problems, when I try to tune it, it drops to left and my mouse stay too slow. No matter how I try to move the slide bar to right it come back to left. I have to xset m 2 to make my pointer usable. Any ideas?
[15:31] <Hairufr> Well, I'll just wait for the final, can't be bothered fixing it
[15:32] <Templer> nv and nivida i they were called i think nv was the one which worked
[15:32] <h3sp4wn> Hairufr: What makes you think the final is going to be any better ?
[15:32] <Templer> one sec i will go back through the konsole
[15:32] <Hairufr> h3sp4wn: Hope?
[15:32] <Hairufr> hehe
[15:33] <Hairufr> h3sp4wn: I'm thinking it's an nvidia or xorg problem, so it probably won't
[15:34] <Pici> igormorgado: If you are using Hardy, please do not ask the questions in #ubuntu as well.
[15:36] <h3sp4wn> igormorgado: Is this a laptop with an external mouse ?
[15:38] <nonix4> hmm... unfortunately I need sun-java6-bin - which seems to be broken: complains that libjli.so (which it installs) is not anywhere to be found by LD at dpkg --configure time. How do I fix that?
[15:39] <igormorgado> Pici: im using both.
[15:39] <igormorgado> Pici: and both had this problem
[15:39] <igormorgado> h3sp4wn: no.
[15:39] <h3sp4wn> igormorgado: Try forcing evdev
[15:40] <nonix4> "This bug has 11 duplicates" ... ok, I guess it is known at least.
[15:46] <quentusrex> Why in the world won't Hardy let me run firefox2??
[15:46] <quentusrex> Every time I run the firefox two link, or the bin directly it runs the new firefox 3 beta
[15:46] <quentusrex> I don't want the beta yet....
[15:47] <justdave> do --no-remote or --noremote or something like that
[15:48] <quentusrex> thanks
[15:48] <quentusrex> that helped...
[15:48] <quentusrex> I was really getting pissed off....
[15:49] <m1r> hello
[15:49] <justdave> the firefox command is actually a shell script that sends an IPC message to the app
[15:50] <justdave> and it'll find the most recent version you have apparently
[15:50] <justdave> the --noremote thing makes it directly launch the app it goes with instead of doing the IPC message thing
[15:50] <justdave> the purpose of the IPC message is so if you open a new URL and firefox is already running it opens a new window/tab in the existing firefox instead of starting a new one
[15:51] <quentusrex> that might be useful, but I wish it asked me first
[15:51] <quentusrex> I specifically was trying to run the old version
[15:52] <quentusrex> because my favorite add-ons aren't ready for 3.0
[15:52] <elmargol> how do I reconfigure my keyboard? My numblock is not working :(
[15:52] <m1r> anyone using prism54usb adapters ?
[15:53] <genie> Hello everybody
[15:53] <quentusrex> justdave, you might know the answer to this. Why is it that when I try to launch a jnpl file firefox 3.0 gives me the java control console, but firefox 2.0 just runs the program like it should...
[15:53] <quentusrex> I can't find out how to exit the java control panel and run the program...
[15:53] <genie> need a realplay codecs for mplayer how to install it in 8.4?
[15:53] <justdave> quentusrex: dunno on that one.
[15:56] <omar> I know this is gonna sound stupid, but what is the <SUPER> key?
[15:56] <quentusrex> omar, it's the windows key
[15:56] <omar> quentusrex: Oh! I got it now! Thanks. ^_^
[15:57] <quentusrex> welcome
[15:57] <justdave> or if you're on a Mac keyboard, it's the Apple/Command key
[16:00] <overridex> how do i stop rhytmbox from opening when i connect a media device via usb? i don't see it under prefs -> removeable drives
[16:22] <bicyclis1> overridex have a look at preferred applications there is multimedia where you can decide what to open
[16:28] <DG19075> I've just installed Firefox 3 Beta 5. Anyone get Java to work in it yet?
[16:30] <mlo> Hello, can someone tell me if the latest Ubuntu beta supports the ATI HD 3850 out of the box, or would I have to experiment with drivers from Ati/Amd's website?
[16:31] <compwiz18> mlo: I think it will, because it is using newer drivers
[16:31] <compwiz18> haven't tried it though, but I will be in the near future ;)
[16:32] <DG19075>  I've just installed Firefox 3 Beta 5. Anyone get Java to work in it yet?
[16:34] <nemo> DG19075: unless things have changed recently, when I switched to Hardy, Hardy's plugin layout was a total mess
[16:34] <bwlang> i've just noticed that something is wrong with cd permissions...  /media/cdrom0 correctly changes owner on mount, but it changes permissions to 000 - couldn't find a bug on this - maybe #196850 is related?  Is this a known problem?
[16:34] <nemo> DG19075: you may find the java plugin is being installed in the wrong one of a dozen or so Gecko plugin directories hardy uses
[16:34] <nemo> DG19075: you will have to, in that case, manually correct the symlink.
[16:35] <sarcher> I installed 8.04 Beta and my sound card didn't work. I ran the following commands "sudo apt-get install module-assistant", "sudo m-a update" "sudo m-a prepare" "sudo m-a a-i alsa"
[16:35] <DG19075> ouch
[16:35] <bwlang> is it hal that does the permission setting?
[16:35] <sarcher> After doing that and rebooting sound worked, but I get "Failed to initialize HAL"
[16:35] <sarcher> network no longer works
[16:37] <sarcher> yee haw :)
[16:38] <owen1> did anynoe has problems after yesturday's updates? i see brown screen with no UI and can only get to terminal via katapult.
[16:38] <Arand> Running Ubuntu on laptop here, no problems noticed.
[16:39] <Pici> Same here
[16:39] <HorizonXP> firefox 3 beta 5 package out yet?
[16:40] <Arand> But then again, it didn't fix _any_ of the problems I have (bleh!)
[16:40] <owen1> can anyone trubleshoot my problem? brown screen. no UI..
[16:41] <owen1> i tried running with previous kernel but it didn't work.
[16:41] <bwlang> owen1: if you can't trouble shoot it yourself, you shouldn't use hardy.
[16:41] <Arand> well that's kinda harsh...
[16:41] <bwlang> owen1: the kernel is unrelated to your trouble - maybe a broken gdm?
[16:41] <bicyclist> Wasn't there an update that included gdm and some other things ?
[16:42] <bwlang> Arand: don't mean to be harsh, but seriously "brown screen", help?
[16:43] <owen1> bwlang: how can i verify that it's gdm? i can log in. after the login i see the brown screen.
[16:43] <Arand> yea, so probably GDM-related in some way or other...
[16:43] <bwlang> owen1: probably not gdm related then, really - don't use hardy yet- it's not ready.
[16:43] <bicyclist> Ah you can log in so it seems a program is hanging ??
[16:43] <bicyclist> Sounds like a piece of software just eats up all ressources.
[16:44] <bicyclist> How long do you wait before trying again ?
[16:44] <owen1> bicyclist: i can login. but i can't do anything since the screen is brown. i use katapult to get terminal.
[16:44] <Arand> owen1: what video driver are you using?
[16:44] <DG19075> nemo: It looks like the thing is a mess. How would I reset ther symlinks?
[16:45] <owen1> Arand: not sure. i use sony vaio. what command line will tell me the driver?
[16:47] <bwlang> owen1: if you're determined, try creating a new user sounds like a profile problem to me.
[16:47] <bicyclist> owen1: can you open a second terminal and check what processes are running (try top and see what eats up most )
[16:47] <owen1> bwlang: i tried creating new user. it didn't help.
[16:48] <owen1> bicyclist:yes. 1 sec.
[16:49] <owen1> bicyclist: cpu-wise - xorg, hald
[16:49] <bicyclist> how much do they use ?
[16:49] <owen1> bicyclist: gnome-terminanl
[16:50] <owen1> bicyclist: nothing. around 1.3
[16:50] <bicyclist> Hmmm.
[16:50] <owen1> 1.3%
[16:50] <bicyclist> So to me it looks like some process is waiting for a reaction of a peripheral and goes into an endless loop
[16:51] <bicyclist> If a new user behaves the same we probably really have a bug somewhere.
[16:51] <bicyclist> Does this happen with gnome AND kde ?
[16:51] <owen1> i can open applications from terminal.
[16:51] <owen1> bicyclist: not sure. i have gnome.
[16:51] <owen1> bicyclist: how do i get kde?
[16:52] <bicyclist> Well maybe it would be enough to use kdm instead of gdm for a try ?
[16:52] <owen1> bicyclist: sure. how do i do that?
[16:52] <bicyclist> Wait a sec,. have to look that up
[16:53] <Arand> didn't you say you were using Katapult?
[16:53] <bicyclist> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[16:53] <bwlang> it's not gdm... he can log in.  it's just that the session manager is not starting.
[16:53] <bicyclist> Hmm. bwlang could it be an access rights problem then ?
[16:54] <owen1> bwlang: yea. i can login. i even hear the music..
[16:54] <bwlang> owen1: just reinstall
[16:54] <bwlang> it's going to be a pain in the ass to figure out where the problem lies
[16:54] <owen1> ok. i will put the cd and hope for good. maybe i'll not use hardy for now...
[16:55] <bicyclist> owen1: It is always risky trying something beta ;)
[16:55] <bwlang> owen1: one thing to keep in mind, put your user files on a different partition so you can wipe things clean during a reinstall
[16:55] <owen1> bwlang: thanks a lot guys. true. it's playing with fire.
[16:56] <bicyclist> But with a good fire extinguisher, well worth the effort.
[16:56] <owen1> bwlang: so when i put the cd i should create 3 partitions - swap, ex3 and another one form user files?
[16:56] <owen1> for
[16:57] <bwlang> owen1: that's what i do
[16:57] <bwlang> owen1: and i don't use ext3.
[16:58] <RyanPrior> I'm having some minor trouble with my graphics card. I want to have direct rendering capability, but my glxinfo says "direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)"
[16:58] <RyanPrior> I'm using fglrx, which I just installed using the hardware driver manager.
[16:58] <owen1> bwlang: ok. going to work. thanks all!
[17:01] <bicyclist> good luck owen1
[17:11] <Arand> anybody here dual booting hardy with XP?
[17:11] <osteenbergen> Good evening
[17:11] <osteenbergen> yeah i did
[17:11] <Arand> 'evening
[17:11] <RyanPrior> Arand: It's pretty easy to set up. There are some good tutorials, and we can help you through any rough spots.
[17:11] <Arand> Nah, it's working for m.
[17:12] <osteenbergen> I believe that it is pretty hard to not be able to boot windows
[17:12] <eklof> Hi,.
[17:12] <Arand> but I was wondering if anybody else is able to set non-write access on the NTFS-partition?
[17:13] <eklof> Is there any known bugs in the current version of networkmanager? My wifi is never reconnected now when it is woken from sleep.
[17:13] <osteenbergen> No i got full acces to NTFS.. because music and downloads are stored on that drive
[17:13] <HorizonXP> firefox 3 beta 5 package out yet?
[17:13] <osteenbergen> not know.. google for it HorizonXP
[17:13] <osteenbergen> eklof is the driver loaded after sleep?
[17:13] <Arand> As of lately (Alpha6) I can no longer set the NTFS partition to read+execute only.
[17:14] <RyanPrior> HorizonXP: Package isn't out, but you can download the tarball if you're desperate. :-)
[17:14] <osteenbergen> Hmmz arand i will have a look
[17:14] <RyanPrior> Arand: if you can't do it the same way you did before, it's probably a bug.
[17:15] <Arand> I've edited fstab to umask=027 and tried chmodding to g=rx... but I still get write access...
[17:16] <eklof> osteenbergen: don't know, I can't choose or even activate the wifi after a sleep. I need to reboot to make it work again.
[17:16] <goodhabit> Hello. I have moved to ubuntu from debian. Is it debian-way updating (just changing repos version @ sources.list and dist-upgrade is ok?
[17:16] <RyanPrior> eklof: There are certainly known bugs, but I don't know whether your particular problem can be easily pinpointed by somebody without considerable knowledge of NetworkManager's setup. Have you asked on their email list or searched their bugtracker?
[17:17] <osteenbergen> eklof then the driver is probably not loaded after a sleep
[17:17] <bwlang> could somebody put a cd in and check to see if /media/cdrom0 has the correct permissions (i want to be sure it's not a local problem before i file a bug)
[17:17] <Arand> bug is #190329, and I'm wondering if more people are experiencing this...
[17:17] <bwlang> goodhabit: yep
[17:17] <osteenbergen> Yeah arand.. i cant disable the write mode also
[17:18] <osteenbergen> ntfs-config also doesn't disable the write mode
[17:18] <HorizonXP> RyanPrior: thanks. not that desperate yet!
[17:18] <goodhabit> bwlang, thanks. last question - what do you think about hardy for now - is it ok for deskop using, or it still have some huge troubles?
[17:18] <osteenbergen> eklof: what is your wireless driver?
[17:18] <Arand> okay, then it must be a regressive bug then...
[17:18] <osteenbergen> yeah probably
[17:19] <RyanPrior> bwlang: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62129/
[17:19] <bwlang> goodhabit: if you're quite experienced in debian, you'll be fine. it's like running unstable. - you have to know what you're doing. but generally stuff works
[17:19] <RyanPrior> bwlang: That's what /media/cdrom0 looks like for me with the Hardy Beta 3 CD in the drive, if it helps you out any.
[17:19] <bwlang> goodhabit: eg: right now i'm having some trouble with permission on my cdrom
[17:19] <mpontillo> Arand: try adding "ro," before "defaults" in your fstab?
[17:19] <Arand> it's kinda weird since when i "ls -l" the partition it says it should be write-protected
[17:20] <goodhabit> bwlang, thanks for info.
[17:20] <Arand> okay will try that...
[17:20] <bwlang> RyanPrior: thanks, could you do ls -ld /media/cdrom0 ? it's the mount point that seems to have 000
[17:21] <osteenbergen> sudo chmod also doesn't work on NTFS drive to disable it
[17:21] <RyanPrior> bwland:
[17:21] <RyanPrior> ryan@ryan-laptop:~$ ls -ld /media/cdrom0
[17:21] <RyanPrior> dr-xr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 2008-01-09 02:19 /media/cdrom0
[17:22] <bwlang> RyanPrior: thanks, is that with something mounted?
[17:23] <RyanPrior> bwlang: That's with Hardy a3 mounted.
[17:23] <bwlang> RyanPrior: i have 555 like you with nothing mounted.
[17:23] <bwlang> RyanPrior: but i have 000 when i mount something.
[17:23] <bwlang> RyanPrior: must be a local issue
[17:24] <RyanPrior> bwlang: when I have no CD mounted, I get
[17:24] <RyanPrior> ryan@ryan-laptop:~$ ls -ld /media/cdrom0
[17:24] <RyanPrior> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-03-24 11:27 /media/cdrom0
[17:25] <RyanPrior> So that is definitely a strange behaviour.
[17:25] <bwlang> RyanPrior: i just looked again, i see 755 like you - misrememberd before
[17:25] <bwlang> RyanPrior: if you don't my spending time with me, could you post the cdrom line from your /etc/fstab? mines
[17:25] <bwlang> /dev/scd0       				/media/cdrom0	udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0       0
[17:26] <bwlang> tried putting in a mode=0666 there but that didn't do anything
[17:26] <RyanPrior> Off topic: I want to change then name of "root" on my box to "woot" so my ls -l says "drwxr-xr-x 2 woot woot"
[17:27] <Arand> osteenberger: It worked! thanks a bunch. Still odd that all the other things didn't work...
[17:27] <RyanPrior> bwlang: I've got /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0       0
[17:27] <bwlang> RyanPrior: funny, should be fine to just edit /etc/passwd to do that. - but some programs might have trouble and look for user name "root" instead of uid 0 whent testing root
[17:27] <bwlang> RyanPrior: i wonder if this is a scsi issue....
[17:28] <bwlang> anybody with a scsi cd (/dev/scd0) able to check their permissions on /media/cdrom0 (ls -ld /media/cdrom0) with a cd mounted ?
[17:32] <Arand> If setting "ro" option in fstab (for NTFS part.) works, but setting umask=027 or chmodding the mountpoint doesn't work, what could that be because of?
[17:34] <mpontillo> Arand: umask only takes only for newly created files. I am not sure what meaning a chmod on a mount point would have. Once the FS is mounted, wouldn't that new FS take over the permissions on its root directory (mount point?).
[17:35] <RyanPrior> ro, ro, ro your filesystem, gently down the iostream
[17:35] <mpontillo> *only takes effect for newly created files
[17:39] <Arand> but if the mount point and a file below it shows up as drwxr-x--- I shouldn't be able to delete that file without root, right?
[17:40] <Ng> Arand: assuming it's owned by route, correct
[17:43] <Arand> that was my problem, that I was able to write/delete it still, as non-root.
[17:44] <Arand> Ah, now I see, the ro option set the whole thing to ro, not even root can write (makes sense...), so it's not the complete solution to that problem...
[17:47] <x1250> hey guys, do any of you have a working ubuntu-sound? login/logout music working? I do have my sound card working and ubuntu-sounds installed, but for some reason system sounds are not working at all...
[17:48] <Arand> Yea, sound works for me just fine at the moment... (up-to-date)
[17:49] <Simpl3x> help, whenever I run synaptic I get the error message "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct this problem"
[17:49] <Simpl3x> but when I run dpkg --configure -a i get this message
[17:49] <Simpl3x> (getting message hold on a sec)
[17:50] <x1250> Arand: just to check, could yo please pastebin me the result of this? $ aptitude search sound | grep "^i"
[17:51] <Simpl3x> well it's very long but the basic point of it is that it keeps saying that the new kernel I just installed was not configured properly so dependancies were not met
[17:51] <Simpl3x> so it keeps failing
[17:51] <x1250> see what happens if you purge it
[17:52] <Simpl3x> how do I purge?
[17:52] <x1250> aptitude purge package
[17:52] <x1250> wait
[17:52] <x1250> what package is it?
[17:52] <Simpl3x> ?
[17:55] <Simpl3x> er....
[17:55] <Simpl3x> one sec
[17:55] <Simpl3x> well here, I'll pastebin the error message, cuz it's a bunch of thing
[17:55] <Simpl3x> s*
[17:56] <x1250> okay
[17:56] <Simpl3x> http://pastebin.ca/971284
[17:57] <x1250> Simpl3x: you have no space left on / ?
[17:57] <Simpl3x> I think this is where the problem is
[17:57] <Simpl3x> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-14-generic
[17:57] <x1250> try $ df -h
[17:57] <Simpl3x> hm, ok
[17:57] <x1250> and see
[17:57] <Simpl3x> o /boot is full
[17:57] <Simpl3x> haha
[17:57] <Simpl3x> forgot about that
[17:57] <Simpl3x> I only made a 64mb /boot
[17:58] <Simpl3x> so I can only have 2 kernels in there at once
[17:58] <Simpl3x> my bad
[17:58] <Simpl3x> I gotta remove one of them
[17:58] <Simpl3x> lemme take care of that
[17:58] <Simpl3x> >.<
[17:58] <x1250> yep
[18:00] <Exilant> those /boots get really large
[18:00] <Simpl3x> yea, that's why I limit mine to 64mb so I can only hold 2 at a time
[18:00] <Simpl3x> It reminds me to keep it clean and remove old kernels
[18:01] <ToxinPowe> xD
[18:01] <Simpl3x> and then I go and forget what the error messages mean because I update so rarely
[18:01] <Simpl3x> haha ok there we go, much better
[18:21] <mhollisjr> Where else does Kubuntu load things from besides Autostart? my Autostart directory is empty, yet somehow compiz and yakuake keep loading at startup and one of them is causing instabilities
[18:22] <Lynoure> I seem to have lost the ability to play .mov in Hardy. Any ideas how to get it back? I do have ubuntu-restricted-extras already
[18:22] <Arand> x1250: oh, if it still matters (about the sound): http://pastebin.com/d46b36c21
[18:22] <Lynoure> mhollisjr: they are part of your session, I bet.
[18:22] <Lynoure> mhollisjr: check from System Settings -> Advanced -> Session manager
[18:23] <Lynoure> mhollisjr: starting with a new one once usually is the easiest way to wipe them. Or killing them before exiting kde
[18:23] <mhollisjr> so they're being auto-restored?
[18:23] <mhollisjr> most likely I mean?
[18:24] <Lynoure> The whole session gets auto-restored.
[18:25] <keith_> hey what is /dev/hdc now that /dev/hdc appears to be gone?
[18:25] <CVD-PR> Cheeese when the 8.04 RC googna came out? i cant wait any more.....
[18:26] <mhollisjr> alright that's set, now before I relogin, where are the sessions actively stored at for restoration? I'd like to be able to check these things manually in the future
[18:26] <Pici> CVD-PR: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[18:26] <x1250> Arand: yes, thanks =)
[18:26] <keith_> anyone know the device name for cdrw drives?
[18:27] <Luckrider> I know this is gonna sound reterded, but how do I turn Java script on in Firefox?
[18:27] <Lynoure> I have quicktime-utils, libquicktime1, what else I need for playing Quicktime on Hardy?
[18:28] <Lynoure> Luckrider: preferences, content, enable javascript
[18:28] <Luckrider> thsnks Lynoure
[18:28] <CVD-PR> so im gonna install the 8.04 beta, any problema than may enconter?
[18:28] <keith_> CVD-PR: stuff might not work.  it's in beta.
[18:28] <Luckrider> it looks like it is on
[18:28] <Lynoure> CVD-PR: might not be able to play Quicktime anymore...
[18:28] <Luckrider> thanks
[18:29] <keith_> CVD-PR: well my nvidia card worked fine when i first installed it, now it's broken and so is the opensource drivers for my ati card on my other box
[18:29] <CVD-PR> Maybe better to wait for he RC
[18:30] <savvas> Lynoure: quicktime? why not? some quicktime movies play well in realplayer
[18:30] <keith_> CVD-PR: my /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd are gone and i can't find their device names... one of my drives isn't even showing up currently and stuff is being difficult now
[18:30] <Lynoure> savvas: before they played in Miro and Kaffeine, today not in either
[18:30] <CVD-PR> :-(
[18:30] <savvas> ah no idea
[18:30] <Lynoure> I cannot remember when I tried before, but pretty sure it was after upgrading to Hardy
[18:30] <ptn107> CVD-PR: i am fortunate to have experienced no problems, give the beta a try or grab the most recent daily http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[18:31] <DanaG> hdc and hdd, if they're cd drives, are probably now scd0 and scd1.
[18:31] <savvas> keith_: i thought all the hard drive devices are /dev/sd* now
[18:31] <DanaG> Oh, and look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cdrom.rules
[18:32] <keith_> ah thanks
[18:32] <akk> /dev/hd* is still working for me
[18:33] <CVD-PR> never new the daily thing!
[18:34] <savvas> CVD-PR: mind you, the sooner you try it, the less bugs you will have in the future :)
[18:34] <mhollisjr> ok the system logged in a wee bit faster, but still not as fast as it should be, where can I view all applications set run on login?
[18:34] <mhollisjr> that are not in Autostart, this is KDE 4
[18:35] <CVD-PR> im gonna wipe the current to install this
[18:35] <CVD-PR> tha the is .jigdo?
[18:35] <Lynoure> seems my problem was bug #210510
[18:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210510 in xine-lib "[Hardy Heron] Some formats including quicktime (.mov) and m4v stop playing with xine after upgrade" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210510
[18:38] <CVD-PR> bt if i install the current know , theni have to download a lot of updates?
[18:38] <CVD-PR> from  the current to the final
[18:38] <Lynoure> CVD-PR: yes, even often day-to-day
[18:38] <omar> I've configured the windows key on my keyboard so that it opens the start menu when pressed, I forgot how to stop it, can anybody help me?
[18:39] <Lynoure> CVD-PR: I'm downloading about 188M of upgrades as we speak, and not the first or last time for that amount, I bet
[18:39] <CVD-PR> system-preference-keyboard shortcuts
[18:41] <W8TAH> any of the devs / packagers around? -- ive been running hardy for week or 2 now on my laptop and im happy to answer Q / give feedback if they want it
[18:43] <dj1_> hi everyone
[18:43] <dj1_> u guys awake?
[18:43] <Lynoure> W8TAH: best way is to report the bugs you've found
[18:43] <W8TAH> done so
[18:44] <dj1_> anyone can help me?
[18:44] <W8TAH> only had one crop up - and i follwed the instructions it presented to report it
[18:44] <W8TAH> (cant remember what it was at this moment)
[18:44] <dj1_> my compiz is dead since i upgraded
[18:44] <jbroome> dj1_: ask your question
[18:44] <Lynoure> dj1_: Concentrate... your mind seems too cloudy for me to pick the question from there =) Or you can just ask it aloud :)
[18:44] <dj1_> lol
[18:45] <savvas> hahaha
[18:45] <dj1_> when i try it, there is no WM anymore
[18:46] <dj1_> i checked with true combat elite, 3D is working
[18:46] <dj1_> lol
[18:46] <dj1_> but compiz --replace
[18:47] <dj1_> doesnt apear and doesnt complain either
[18:47] <savvas> dj1_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall compiz compiz-core compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-plugins libcompizconfig0 compizconfig-settings-manager metacity metacity-common
[18:47] <dj1_> thnx right away
[18:48] <dj1_> i will have to reedit to white list fglrx ?
[18:49] <dj1_> /usr/bin/compiz: 406: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found
[18:49] <dj1_> i know how to fix this
[18:49] <dj1_> brb
[18:51] <dj1_> nope, still down
[18:51] <nedw> i'm on hardy and when i run "sudo aptitude install wine" and "sudo apt-get install wine" both say that wine has no installation candidate
[18:52] <mhollisjr> other than Autostart, where might stuff be loading at login, assuming the session is not being restored?
[18:52] <Flannel> nedw: pastebin your sources.list
[18:52] <jbroome> wine probably isn't in the hardy repos yet
[18:52] <BobSapp> im having krash show a SIGSEGV error as soon as i login, aparently somewhere in KSaveFile::KSaveFile() does anyone know what apps might contain this so i can remove them and maybe login to my account?  I dont mind reinstalling or whatever.  aparently the library is libkdecore.so.4
[18:52] <savvas> dj1_: did you log off and hit ctrl-alt-backspace?
[18:52] <mhollisjr> no wine is in the repos
[18:52] <BobSapp> isnt it best to compile wine from source anyway?
[18:52] <mhollisjr> I installed it from stock yesterday
[18:52] <dj1_> nope should i ?
[18:52] <Flannel> BobSapp: no
[18:53] <BobSapp> arent the repos older?
[18:53] <savvas> dj1_: yeah :)
[18:53] <dj1_> ok wait for me !! brb
[18:53] <savvas> dj1_: not sure if i'll be here, but ok :P
[18:53] <Flannel> BobSapp: Winehq has a current one, if you absolutely must live on the edge.
[18:53] <BobSapp> i guess the hardy ones were
[18:53] <BobSapp> updated
[18:53] <nedw> http://pastebin.ca/971347
[18:54] <Rotlaus> I got again a 386 and a general kernel installed. Which one is the one preferred to use? Why are both installed?
[18:55] <keith_> does grub install to the mbr or to the root partition in ubuntu?
[18:55] <Flannel> keith_: stage 1 installs to the MBR
[18:55] <keith_> k
[18:55] <keith_> thanks
[18:56] <Flannel> Rotlaus: use the generic if you can
[18:56] <mhollisjr> ok how can I troubleshoot a pausing interface (freezes for about 10-20 seconds) on login, without anything in Autorun or being restored?
[18:57] <Flannel> nedw: And `sudo apt-get update` doesn't give you any errors, correct?
[18:57] <mhollisjr> it only does it on login
[18:57] <nedw> no
[18:57] <nedw> i'll tryadding winehq's  repository
[18:57] <nedw> oh they only have up to gutsy
[18:58] <dj1_> same problem
[18:58] <Arand> dj1_: Have you tried renaming compiz -> compiz.real according to http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide#3D_desktop_effects (look in "rename path section" there)
[18:58] <dj1_> yes i have :)
[18:58] <Arand> ah...
[18:58] <Flannel> nedw: You have universe, you have wine.  So, updating doesn't cause problems.  What does `apt-cache policy wine` show?
[18:59] <nedw> installed (none) candidate (none)
[18:59] <nedw> but i just discovered that i'm getting an error now
[18:59] <nedw> with apt-get update that i didn't have before
[18:59] <Flannel> nedw: What error?  on the update? right.  Universe can't be read or something?
[19:00] <dj1_> ok i am going thru the url u gave me
[19:00] <SammIndustrie> hi guys - i'm having a fantastic problem here - my bloody headphones won't wor!
[19:00] <dj1_> arand
[19:00] <nedw> http://pastebin.ca/971353 here
[19:01] <SammIndustrie> can anybody help?
[19:01] <SammIndustrie> yes? no?
[19:01] <nedw> sammindustrie what's the volume? sometimes you have to go into the sound control panel
[19:01] <nedw> to change to volume of the headphones independently
[19:01] <SammIndustrie> there's no option to edit headphone volume; there's nothing displaying headphones
[19:02] <clarezoe> anyone knows how to make a screenshot including the mouse cursor?
[19:02] <graft_> gimp?
[19:02] <tlsarles> Is it just me, or does Firefox crash frequently on Hardy?
[19:02] <jbroome> tlsarles: it's almost like it's beta software running on a beta OS!
[19:02] <x1250> tlsarles: not for me
[19:02] <mhollisjr> what is the name of the app that previously allowed me to use my G11 volume control to control sound volume?
[19:03] <SammIndustrie> i use a VIA HD audio sound card, but nothing whatsoever for headphone
[19:03] <graft_> tlsarles: it's pretty stable here, except for pulseaudio related bugs
[19:03] <SammIndustrie> tlsarles : nothing except image rendering on scaled images for me, it seems
[19:03] <nedw> "pulseaudio bugs" > maybe that's your problem
[19:03] <akk> hmm, I thought gimp could screenshot the cursor now, but it isn't doing it for me
[19:03] <teamcobra> are there adverse effects to forcing all newly-created users to be part of the group "users" instead of a group named after the user (I'd like to enforce a quota on a machine for the 'users' group, just got that set up)
[19:04] <SammIndustrie> how do i go around sorting that, nedw?
[19:04] <tlsarles> I installed FF2, because I figured the FF beta was the problem, but 2 is still doing it..... but hmmmm.... I never thought of it being audio related. It most frequently crashes when a video is opened
[19:04] <dj1_> aran it worked, i forgot the pluging path !
[19:04] <jbroome> videos tend to have audio
[19:04] <tlsarles> right O
[19:04] <dj1_> but vlc using XV is black window now
[19:04] <philsf> is there any chance that firefox will revert to version 2 instead of 3 for Hardy final?
[19:04] <nedw> hm, i don't know
[19:04] <x1250> I dont think so
[19:04] <dj1_> same as gusty
[19:05] <akk> clarezoe: I think I remember kscreenshot might have been able to capture the cursor
[19:05] <tlsarles> I needed to go back to vers 2 anyways for firebug
[19:05] <akk> clarezoe: There is some version of gimp that can do it, but I'm not sure if the one in hardy can
[19:06] <clarezoe> akk, thanks, I've tried the sreenshot in gimp, but I can't find the option that I can include the mouse cursor, I'll try kscreenshot then
[19:06] <dj1_> anyone knows how to make work XV with compiz ?
[19:09] <Arand> afk there for a while dj1_: I haven't gotten it to work, I just put gstreamer and vlc to use X11 output instead.
[19:09] <dj1_> ok thnx body
[19:09] <clarezoe> akk, I can't find any kscreenshot package, is it included in hardy?
[19:10] <jbroome> clarezoe: ksnapshot
[19:10] <clarezoe> jbroome, thanks
[19:10] <jbroome> apt-cache search screenshot | grep kde
[19:11] <x1250> or aptitude search ~skde | grep screenshot
[19:11] <akk> hmm, at least on gutsy ksnapshot doesn't do it either
[19:13] <clarezoe> jbroome, akk, I'm using gnome, there's only one screenshot come out by apt-cache search, gpe-screenshot
[19:13] <clarezoe> akk, seems it doesn't do it
[19:13] <akk> clarezoe: There's also scrot, but I don't think that can get the cursor
[19:14] <jbroome> i am too, still was able to find kde packages in the repo
[19:14] <jk_> is there anyway to play 2 source of sounds, on ubuntu the second is always muted.
[19:14] <clarezoe> akk, no
[19:14] <akk> clarezoe: I know I saw something that managed it (might have been gimp cvs) ... I'm trying to find the reference
[19:14] <clarezoe> akk, thanks
[19:15] <SpudDogg> has anyone else had an issue with wpa_supplicant.conf being blank when installed?
[19:15] <clarezoe> akk, gonna go for a while, leave me a PM, I'll check it later
[19:15] <jk_> what kinds of emails can you set up using evolution or thunderbird
[19:15] <rikai> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/270 <- Mmm, can anyone reproduce this gstreamer/pulseaudio bug? Trying to find smarter people that can post more information than myself. :P
[19:16] <akk> clarezoe: okay, I'll let you know if I find it. I know it required an X extension that only got added fairly recently, which is why most programs don't do it
[19:18] <x1250> Thanks for pastebin Arand, I was missing a package :)
[19:19] <Arand> nice to be of service :)
[19:21] <alecwh> I have a video card blacklisted on the compiz-fusion website (http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist), so Ubuntu won't let me use desktop effects. Does Ubuntu 8.04 fix it?
[19:21] <alecwh> My video card: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[19:22] <Smygis> whats the name of the grafical x config tool thats gone missing now in hardy. But its there cuz it started when i upgraded my gfx card from a geforce3 to a ATI RAGE LT PRO.
[19:22] <Joe_CoT> hey, I've been trying to dist-upgrade for a few days now, but I keep running into the same issue. Any expectation of it being fixed soon? : http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d7cdcf871
[19:25] <Smygis> its annoying to run 800x600 on a 1650x1050 screen. And i have no idea what to add in xorg.conf. it whas easy in the past but now that file is just a blank file. Halelulja for autocont that doesnt work!
[19:25] <Smygis> autoconfig
[19:25] <jbroome> !resolution | Smygis
[19:25] <ubotu> Smygis: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[19:27] <mhollisjr> Okay this is really getting annoying, Nothing is in autostart, the session is not being restored, where is Compiz loading from?
[19:29] <rpedro> System -> Preferences -> Appeareance properties?
[19:30] <akk> In case anyone else was following the screenshot discussion (I've msged clarezoe), the info is at http://www.nabble.com/screenshot-with-mousepointer-td13275133.html
[19:31] <Arand> alecwh: I don't think so, since it's because of Compiz, what you could do is ignore the blacklist according to compiz's instructions on that site, at own risk of course....
[19:31] <alecwh> I've tried it, Totem (and other video applications) crash.
[19:32] <Smygis> here goes nothin
[19:33] <mhollisjr> well I'd say that would be it except Yakuake keeps loading too from somewhere,
[19:34] <Smygis> nope none of that shit worked.
[19:34] <Smygis> ubotu, YOURE SOURCES ARE DEPRICATED!
[19:35] <identitx> Any help please? Why would booting into Ubuntu 8.04 (latest beta) on my primary NTFS via Wubi, and running "sudo ifconfig eth1 mtu 1400" cause Windows to forget or corrupt the drivers of my wireless adapter (eth1) on the next boot?
[19:36] <kevor> Hello, is it known that the language is not properly set?
[19:37] <Arand> alecwh: dunno if you can do anything more then... other than bitch at Compiz-developers to add support for it...
[19:37] <kevor> the menu titles, shutdown buttons and all are not in the correct langugage
[19:37] <Smygis> jbroome, no
[19:40] <mattik> hello, why sudo visudo doesn't work for me. If i press i for insert new row I cannot add empty rows. I get letters under arrow keys.
[19:42] <kevor> any word on my language problem? Is it known, is there a solution?
[19:42] <mhollisjr> where does plasma launch from?
[19:42] <identitx> kevor: Do you want it as English?
[19:42] <identitx> Or are you having to change the language
[19:43] <RyanPrior> I'm having trouble with direct rendering on my graphics card. My glxinfo says "direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)" but I know I have had direct rendering available on this card before. I'm using the fglrx driver, which I installed using the restricted hardware drivers manager. Can anybody help me learn more about this system in order to solve the problem?
[19:43] <RyanPrior> mhollisjr: Type "which plasma" in the terminal.
[19:43] <kevor> identitx: I'm trying to set the language as Dutch
[19:43] <mhollisjr> no I mean where does it launch from at login
[19:43] <nemo> RyanPrior: you need LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT with fglrx to use compiz
[19:44] <kevor> during installtion, selected those options, and after install personally installed language-pack-nl
[19:44] <kevor> the dutch dictionaries and all are avialable, but not everything is translated (which was translated in 7.10)
[19:44] <RyanPrior> nemo: A number of games I want to play are complaining about lack of direct rendering, unfortunately. Is there any way I can get Compiz to see always indirect while getting my games to see direct rendering?
[19:44] <identitx> And you've changed it via System > ADministration ? Language Support?
[19:45] <RyanPrior> mhollisjr: It launches at login the same way it launches from the terminal.
[19:45] <nemo> RyanPrior: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIGLX
[19:45] <kevor> indenlet me try
[19:45] <mhollisjr> when I login
[19:45] <nemo> RyanPrior: run your games outside of compiz, or wipe the env var?
[19:45]  * identitx is not in Ubuntu right now due to above problem so can't remember whether it is still there or not.
[19:45] <mhollisjr> RyanPrior: when I login, what calls Plasma? what file?
[19:45] <nemo> RyanPrior: just a guess, fortunately don't have that issue myself since my machine has nvidia
[19:46] <nemo> RyanPrior: while compiz was still unstable and my card was short on mem, I used to run a separate plain X session for games
[19:46] <identitx> Is there any reason why changing my MTU in Ubuntu would cause Winows on next boot to not recognise my wireless adapter?
[19:46] <RyanPrior> nemo: Is there a way to toggle compiz? If I disable it, will my direct rendering automatically turn on?
[19:46] <RyanPrior> mhollisjr: Don't know - that would be a good question for KDE people, I think.
[19:47] <joebob777as7> RyanPrior get compiz-icon it allow you to disable and enable
[19:47] <mhollisjr> I have a feeling they're going to send me back here, but I'll ask ty
[19:47] <nemo> RyanPrior: are you using gnome?
[19:47] <identitx> Hard question I know. Since it is a Windows problem mainly. But MS would only blame Ubuntu.
[19:47] <RyanPrior> nemo: Yes.
[19:47] <kevor> identitx: it seems i forgot language-pack-gnome-nl in my manual attempt, it is installed now, should be fixxed
[19:47] <nemo> RyanPrior: then yeah, just disable it in the visual effects tab
[19:47] <nemo> LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT should only be set on compiz launch
[19:48] <nemo> RyanPrior: might want to just try unsetting the var though...
[19:53] <RyanPrior> Thanks for the suggestion - just disabling Compiz and rebooting enabled my direct rendering.
[19:53] <RyanPrior> I don't really care about Compiz that much, so I'll hold off on trying to install AIGLX.
[19:56] <nemo> RyanPrior: rebooting shouldn't have been necessary...
[19:56] <nemo> RyanPrior: as for "installing" aiglx - you were undoubtedly using it
[19:56] <RyanPrior> nemo: Restarting gdm didn't work, restarting X didn't work, but a full reboot did for some reason.
[19:56] <nemo> that doesn't make any sense, but ok
[19:57] <RyanPrior> Direct rendering has been broken on my card for a long time, so it's nice to have any at all. :-)
[19:59] <lintel> hi, please help with AR5007EG which needs THIS patch: http://madwifi.org/ticket/1679 -- QN: do I have to deactivate HAL?
[20:00] <mhollisjr> okay I found this file: "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/25enable-compiz" which appears to be where compiz is starting from is it safe to simply delete?
[20:00] <mhollisjr> or is there a better way to remove it from startup?
[20:00] <nemo> mhollisjr: um...
[20:01] <nemo> mhollisjr: why are you not just disabling compiz from the gui?
[20:01] <mhollisjr> because no one has yet told me where to do that
[20:01] <nemo> mhollisjr: gnome?
[20:01] <mhollisjr> kde
[20:01] <mhollisjr> 4
[20:01] <nemo> ah. n/m
[20:02] <nemo> don't know where KDE keeps that
[20:02] <Turski> eh, why you using compiz in kde4?
[20:02] <mhollisjr> I'm trying not to
[20:02] <Turski> Kmenu -> System -> Desktop Effects
[20:02] <Turski> i think...
[20:02] <Turski> but iäm not sure
[20:02] <mhollisjr> no option
[20:03] <mhollisjr> the really wierd part is I've uninstalled it, exited X, then logged back in and poof compiz was running which really confused me
[20:03] <mhollisjr> I have it installed again to prevent trouble till I find the config issue
[20:04] <Arand> how do you remove flash plugin from firefox 3b4 ?
[20:04] <nemo> Arand: depends on how you installed it
[20:05] <nemo> did you use apt ?
[20:05] <Arand> through firefox dialog.
[20:05] <nemo> Arand: why not let apt manage it?
[20:05] <mhollisjr> so then would you think it'd be safe to delete that startup file?
[20:05] <mhollisjr> I checked the contents, compiz is the onlytihng in it
[20:06] <nemo> Arand: firefox 3 lets you enable/disable plugins... see under Add-ons
[20:06] <Arand> yea, but that only disables it, right?
[20:06] <Arand> not uninstalls
[20:06] <nemo> Arand: I'm not totally sure where it puts libflash if you install that way.  probably under ~/.mozilla/firefox
[20:06] <nemo> run a find for it
[20:07] <Arand> oke
[20:07] <cheatersrealm> I am trying to upgrade to hardy, I get the following message: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgnomekbd1: Depends: libgnomekbd-common (= 2.20.0-1) but 2.22.0-1 is to be installed.
[20:07] <mhollisjr> I'll take best guesses
[20:08] <mhollisjr> alright deleting it
[20:10] <mhollisjr> ok in answer to the question, compiz is now disabled
[20:10] <mhollisjr> and my login freezes are gone
[20:11] <kevor> Hello, gnome and all are in Dutch, but still firefox is ignorant to the changes, anyone a clue how to solve it?
[20:11] <derspankster> if your video card can't support compiz, isn't compiz disabled by default?
[20:14] <derspankster> kevor: FF3 is available in dutch from Mozilla but maybe the version in the Ubuntu repos is not
[20:17] <Smygis> One simple question.
[20:19] <Smygis> How can i change the resulution when i cant use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, Change the xorg.conf myself or use the 'Screens and grafix' tool who all semms to have gone missing in hardy in one way or another.
[20:20] <RyanPrior> Smygis: boot into diagnostic mode, select the "Fix X server" option, then continue booting.
[20:20] <RyanPrior> Smygis: That ought to fix whatever resolution problem you're having presently, allowing you to use the normal tools to tweak further.
[20:20] <Smygis> thats the same as  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:21] <Smygis> And it doesnt work
[20:21] <RyanPrior> Smygis: Reinstall, or start reading the fine manual on X.org in order to fix everything by hand.
[20:22] <Smygis> How ubuntu. Remove nice guis and refer to manpages.
[20:24] <Smygis> All i want is to run my 22" 1680x1050 screen in 1680x1050 and not in 1152x864
[20:24] <KalEl> some packages are marked with a small star in synaptic... do you know what that means?