[13:34] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: 5 Major Improvements Headed to Epiphany, the GNOME Web Browser @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=137763 (by Joey Sneddon)


 @Eickmeyer if the LP builders are down I can't upload them :P
 so :P
 make a complete list of what you need me to poke
 i'll get to them probably by end of week
 because at this time you've got like 8 things you need me to push
[00:24] <Eickmeyer> @teward001 More like 4...
[00:25] <Eickmeyer> Did I not warn you about the incoming flood of packages I'm working on?
 you did.
 but i have no central tracker anymore :P
[00:25] <Eickmeyer> Gotcha.
 and you don't have bugs etc assigned to me for it XD
[00:26] <Eickmeyer> I was considering spinning-up a card system on my nextcloud.
 *cough*trello*cough*
[00:31] <Eickmeyer> *cough*money*cough*
 trello is free?
 not hosted on prem it's in the could but still
 https://trello.com/pricing 10 team boards free.
[00:33] <Eickmeyer> Ok, I guess I thought we would need Business Class.
 nope
 *smacks you for failing to read the pricing docs*
 if you have different teams with different visibility you simply define different team boards
[00:34] <Eickmeyer> I read the price docs a while ago, I just failed to evaluate our exact needs I guess.
 for different visibilities
 if you just need cards and assignment tracking free works pretty well
[00:34] <Eickmeyer> Ok.
[00:36] <Eickmeyer> I mean, I have a DO droplet nextcloud that I could easily give everyone an account to. There is a task card app plugin for it.
 heh
[04:19] <Eickmeyer> OK @teward001: Just assigned a bunch of bug reports for the new packages to you. I've got more coming, but at least you can keep track of them this way for the time being. There's only 4 so far.
[04:21] <Eickmeyer> Make that 5, forgot about dragonfly-reverb.
 @Eickmeyer yep i see the assigns, thanks.
 i'll poke these tomorrow after I get an on-prem Landscape working for my one employer
[04:47] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: Cool. The simplest ones are Add64 and redkite by far.
[04:49] <Eickmeyer> I'm down to about 30 only because one contains something like 12, but that one is on hold because upstream wants to port the build system to meson from prebuild.
[04:54] <Eickmeyer> Also eliminated a couple due to FTBFS/dep hell.
[04:54]  * Eickmeyer goes to bed
 Eickmeyer: I see more being assigned to me lol.
 check your trello, i sent you a link
 look @ my trello board for tracking my tasks heh
[17:53] <Eickmeyer> @teward001 Yep, I'm knocking quite a few out of these left and right. Just want to get them in before Feature Freeze, which I concede is a couple months out, but I'd rather have them ready.
[17:53] <Eickmeyer> I don't want history repeating itself with dragonfly-reverb.
[17:53] <Eickmeyer> These are all audio plugins, or dependencies for them.
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1246566/ubuntu-studio-default-pulseaudio-output-device
[19:01] <Eickmeyer> I didn't realize we removed the ability to select the device for the pulseaudio bridge.
[19:01] <Eickmeyer> Rather, default connection.
[20:21]  * OvenWerks reminds Eickmeyer that he was instrumental in the decision...
[20:21] <Eickmeyer> Oof, you're right. :P
[20:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: that will change in the next version of -controls as already discused
[20:21] <Eickmeyer> Alright, cool.
[20:23] <OvenWerks> I actually think it is possible to hand edit the config file for other than system:* ports now.


[05:30] <skaet> apw, JFo - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-03-11 available a bit earlier - still working through the A3 testing reports, so a few more updates may happen tomorrow.
[09:40] <smb> bjf, I just changed my mind on that CVE. I think that anon_vma_chain does not exist in Hardy and Karmic
[09:41] <bjf> smb, i've not applied it, go ahead and do what you feel is right
[09:41] <smb> bjf, Yeah, just wanted to avoid you to grab it as you were the second acker
[09:43] <smb> bjf, I would feel the right thing is to have the submitter actually test compile it. :)
[09:43] <smb> bjf, He's probably sitting somewhere close to you
[09:43] <sconklin> smb: good guess, I'll figure this out
[09:43] <bjf> smb, yes, he will be beaten
[09:45] <smb> bjf, Beating is not needed. You have to use the flakey coffee machine. Which I heard can be enough punishment
[09:46] <sconklin> smb: good idea. I'll use the coffee machine and then look at it
[09:46] <smb> sconklin, Cool. I guess that one line just slipped in. It was not part of the original patch but part of the context.
[10:52] <sconklin> smb, bjf - Revised (and test built) patches for Hardy and Karmic CVE have been mailed
[10:56] <smb> sconklin, ack. should be ok now
[10:59] <phillips321> hi all
[10:59] <phillips321> has anyone got a guide to getting 2.6.38 on 10.10?
[11:19] <diwic> sconklin, when is next deadline for upload to maverick SRU?
[11:20] <sconklin> diwic: there is no real deadline, patches put on the -next branch will go into the next upload. I expect that the next Maverick upload will be late next week
[11:21] <diwic> sconklin, cool, thanks.
[12:03] <rishi> Hey guys, I think the natty-lts-backport that is there in the kernel-ppa breaks my Ethernet. I have nVidia MCP61 Ethernet chip.
[12:03] <rishi> Is this known?
[12:03] <rishi> I can help with debugging, bug report, etc..
[12:05] <rigved> rishi: patience. maybe someone might be able to help.
[12:06] <rishi> rigved: Yeah, no problem. :-)
[15:18] <ogra> tgardner, poke
[15:20] <tgardner> ogra, hmm?
[15:20] <ogra> tgardner, can we have .38 as default for omap4 ?
[15:20] <tgardner> ogra, yep, was just waiting for Tobin to pull the trigger.
[15:21] <amitk> ogra: it works?
[15:21]  * amitk is pleasantly surprised...
[15:22] <ogra> tgardner, i think he answered the mail thread on monday or so ;)
[15:22] <ogra> amitk, the BSp kernel from agreen
[15:22] <amitk> ogra: right..
[15:22] <tgardner> ogra, OK, I'll get it started building.
[15:23] <ogra> tgardner, thanks :)
[15:23] <amitk> tgardner: y'all going to ELC, I noticed
[15:24] <tgardner> amitk, yep
[15:24] <amitk> will see you there in a few weeks then
[15:25] <tgardner> amitk, indeed. I'm back from London this Sat, then off to SFO 3 weeks later.
[15:25] <amitk> tgardner: aah, kernel sprint?
[15:25] <tgardner> amitk, yeah, new guy sprint.
[15:26]  * amitk needs to plan a trip to london soon
[15:26] <amitk> s/london/cambridge
[16:49] <JFo> <-food
[17:10] <tseliot> mjg59: is there an equivalent for acpi_video_register() (acpi/video.h) in linux 2.6.32? I'm trying to get a backlight with poulsbo
[17:11] <tseliot> *backlight device
[20:13] <lborda> Hi guys
[20:15] <lborda> anybody comfortable with bonding with arp monitoring AND bridge?
[20:37] <rydberg> greetings, i wonder if someone can explain this, running latest stock kernel: "cat /sys/module/*/srcversion | sort | uniq -c"
[20:52] <rhuddusa> forgive if this isn't the correct place to ask this. i upgraded from linux-image-2.6.32-29-virtual linux-image-2.6.35-25-virtual and now any ipsec ah & esp packet with wire size > 304 does not decrypt accross the wire.  i see encrypted packets transmitted and then received, but then they are lost.  if i switch back to 2.6.32, packets decrypt fine.  any ideas who to track down my missing packets? ifconfig doesn'
[20:52] <rhuddusa> t show any errors.
[20:59] <rydberg> it seems to have occurred between 2.6.38-4 and 2.6.38-5
[21:15] <rydberg> ... and it is still present in 2.6.38-6, and still present in mainline.
[21:17] <rydberg> dkms packages will fail to install roughly 50% of the time because of this, for instance
[21:20] <rydberg> timg, have you seen anything about this?
[21:21] <JFo> rydberg, they are in London this week, so likely off getting dinner somewhere.
[21:21] <rydberg> oh, i see
[21:21] <rydberg> hey, jfo :-)
[21:21] <JFo> hey rydberg :)
[21:21] <rydberg> ill dig further on lkml to see if i find anything
[21:22] <JFo> ok, I'd be interested in what you find, from a purely informational aspect.
[21:22] <rydberg> sure thing
[21:24] <rydberg> to confirm the problem, all one needs to do is run that line above, and see that some line has a number different from 1 in the first column *nudge nudge*
[21:42] <BenC> rydberg: Is that really a problem, or just not what you expected?
[21:43] <rydberg> expect that dkms packages compare srcversions and end up not installing the new version because it looks like the old one?
[21:44] <rydberg> honestly, i dont know what the assumptions around srcversion are, but it sure seems likely that they all should be unique, and so they were, up to recently (checked in maverick too)
[21:44] <BenC> rydberg: What I'm asking is if the srcversion being the same for two things is really a bug or not
[21:44] <BenC> What two modules share the same srcversion?
[21:45] <rydberg> i understand, i can't say for sure, other than there being little reason for it otherwise
[21:45] <BenC> What modules have the same srcversion would be a good data point
[21:45] <rydberg> any modules - please try it out, the line is cat /sys/module/*/srcversion | sort | uniq -c
[21:45] <BenC> None of the ones on my system have the same
[21:45] <BenC> so I'm asking you since you can reproduce this "issue"
[21:46] <rydberg> what kernel version are you running?
[21:46] <BenC> 2.6.32-8-generic
[21:46] <rydberg> cnd confirms this problem also
[21:46] <cnd> rydberg, ugh, dragging me into another problem :)
[21:47] <rydberg> yes, this is between 2.6.38-4 and 2.6.38-5 ubuntu versions, somewhere in the 2.6.38-rc series
[21:47] <rydberg> hehe
[21:47] <BenC> Right, so check yours and tell me which modules share the same srcversion
[21:49] <rydberg> it seems random, and completely unrelated stuff, like i2c_piix4 and joydev, k10temp
[21:50] <rydberg> im going to bisect this on mainline git now, its not an ubuntu issue it seems
[21:50] <BenC> Is it random on the same boot, or different between boots?
[21:50] <rydberg> same number occuring between boots
[21:50] <rydberg> you can look it up on the internet and get hits :-)
[21:50] <rydberg> 533BB7E5866E52F63B9ACCB
[21:50] <rydberg> there is one of them


[20:36] <mup> Issue operator#988 opened: Field `working-dir` not found in type plan.Service <Created by gruyaume> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/988>
[22:49] <mup> Issue operator#988 closed: Field `working-dir` not found in type plan.Service <Created by gruyaume> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/988>


[02:15] <poncha> hi. i think theres a problem with #ubuntu-ru , can anyone please check whats wrong there? /names returns empty and if i try to join i get "you're banned from the channel"
[02:19] <Dominian> keep an eye on _anthonyc
[02:19] <Dominian> He was DCC exploiting in ##linux
[03:04] <Flannel> We have #ubuntu-folding?
[03:09] <Flannel> Interesting hostname ronx has
[03:27] <IdleOne> boxxy is a repeat bot and adding a lot of scroll to #ubuntu
[03:27] <IdleOne> please help
[03:28] <IdleOne> thanks genii
[05:31] <bazhang> poncha this would be an issue better discussed in #ubuntu-irc ; please exit here and join there
[06:16] <jussi01> wow
[06:16] <bazhang> bit late to call
[06:17] <mneptok> !staff botnet alert in #u
[06:17] <jussi01> mneptok: fail. :P
[06:17] <mneptok> ?
[06:17] <jussi01> doubly so
[06:17] <bazhang> |
[06:17] <jussi01> !staff
[06:17] <mneptok> jussi01: i put other bot names in the /k line so staff would see some
[09:23] <BlouBlou> hi, in #ubuntu is a user telled saulus who is spamining with nick collisions
[09:26] <Flannel> Seems to have stopped
[13:07] <bazhang> poncha, please exit this channel and come to #ubuntu-irc to discuss your ban in #ubuntu-ru , thanks
[13:18] <jpds> !ops | ohai: Channel ban list is full
[13:18] <MenZa> :o
[13:18] <ikonia> jpds: #ubuntu ban list ?
[13:18] <jpds> Yes.
[13:19] <ikonia> ok
[13:19] <MenZa> Ow.
[13:19] <jussi01> wheres myrtti when we need her?
[13:19] <MenZa> freenode should introduce super crazy extended banlist.
[13:20] <jpds> MenZa: Yeah, we have that, still full.
[13:20] <elky> i think ikonia wins the "most bans" award again
[13:20] <ikonia> really ??
[13:21] <bazhang> cleared all mine out thanks jpds :)
[13:21] <jpds> \o/
[13:21] <elky> ikonia, in the human category, yeah
[13:21] <bazhang> heh
[13:22] <ikonia> :(
[13:25] <elky> the 3 listed for me are miike bot, bruenig and a repeat spammer 'caca'.
[13:25] <elky> not really in a hurry to lift any of those
[13:27] <MenZa> ChanServ ban list for the really bad ones, then?
[13:27] <elky> MenZa, if you like, you can sift through the ones allocated to $nearest_ircd and work out which ones are likely dynamic/ineffective.
[13:27] <elky> MenZa, still counts to the limit
[13:27] <MenZa> Oh. Ow.
[13:28] <MenZa> See, a rather disruptive system I've seen work in other channels (on other networks mostly) is a bot with its own banlist, which bans users for a couple of days, then lifts the ban, then re-bans if they enter the channel.
[13:28] <MenZa> It's disruptive to the channel, but it could work if it's impossible to cut down on the banlist.
[13:29] <bazhang> bruenig has been joining as recently as yesterday
[13:31] <ikonia> he's waiting for a ban in #ubuntu
[13:31] <ikonia> unless elky has one in place
[13:31] <elky> the ip-blah-blah one attributed to me is bruenig
[13:32] <elky> so he's ban evading again, if he's joining that recently
[13:34] <ikonia> ok, that's a fair few of my bans gone from #ubuntu
[13:49] <elky> someone should make sure the floodbot ones are all currently valid too
[14:19] <MenZa> !ext3
[14:19] <MenZa> !ext4
[14:19] <MenZa> Whut?
[14:19] <Pici> Suggest something.
[14:19] <MenZa> Nothing to suggest.
[14:19] <MenZa> Something about ext4 is the new default filesystem for Karmic, backwards-compatible, yadayada?
[14:24] <MenZa> !ext4 is the new default file system for Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic). It's backwards-compatible with ext3, and can be read on Windows with http://fs-driver.org.
[14:26] <MenZa> Pici: ^
[14:26] <MenZa> Perhaps add + provided extents are disabled.
[14:44] <Pici> Is it just me, or does it look like ActionParsnip2 is making lots of assumptions of what people are trying to do without asking for clarification?
[15:07] <ikonia> whoaaaa remove the fs-driver link
[15:07] <ikonia> don't recommend or offer that as solution, especially with ext4
[15:08] <MenZa> no?
[15:09] <MenZa> I thought that worked nicely with ext4's backwards-compatibility, ikonia
[15:12] <ikonia> no no no no no no
[15:12] <ikonia> bug/corruption/bug/corruption/bug/corruption
[15:12] <ikonia> and on occasion, works without a problem
[15:16] <ikonia> !skype
[16:02] <nalioth> Again, i'll mention that the mootbot log syncing is now done every 4 hours ( and there is a new easier-to-read interface at http://www.novarata.net/mootbot )
[19:01] <MenZa> Is Like just spouting random nonsense? o_o
[19:19] <mneptok> elky: you banned bruenig?! you just moved right below woowoo in my "AWESOME FEMALE!!!1!!!1!!!one!!!!" list
[19:34] <MenZa> o_o
[19:46] <fluid> router firmware does not fix the issue. i am connected to port 8001...
[19:46] <fluid> still cannot join #ubuntu :)
[19:46] <Pici> fluid: yes you can
[19:46] <fluid> ty :)
[20:39] <Flannel> Pici: I wouldn't be surprised if he is.
[20:39] <Pici> Flannel: who what
[20:40] <Flannel> Pici: ActionParsnip assuming he knows whats going on without asking
[20:40] <Pici> Flannel: Oh, that was many hours ago (although still just as true)
[20:40] <Flannel> Pici: Aye
[20:41] <Pici> Someone said something like "I 1 disk" and he responded "use sudo fdisk -l"
[21:05] <Seeker`> eugh, exploits
[21:11] <nalioth> eugh, klines
[21:12] <Flannel> eugh, bears
[21:13]  * nalioth feeds Flannel to the bears
[21:13] <Flannel> oh my!
[22:08] <Flannel> our MA comcast guy is at it again
[23:00] <ikonia> sounds fun
[23:16] <elky> mikeeusa is on an irc rampage, please be on the lookout.
[23:17] <elky> ban the nick on sight please. he uses proxies and so forth, so it'll be whack-a-mole
[23:22] <pleia2> oh no :(
[23:23] <elky> pleia2, i know.
[23:38] <niko> lof of users shoot before discuss :)


 Beavers ahoy! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1759601
[23:56] <valorie> by the way I should mention that the last huge-ish artful update is cool after restart
[23:56] <valorie> everything works etc.


 Upgraded to Cosmic last night. 😁
 @tsimonq2, LOL
 FYI: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/8g8wbn/kde_plasma_5125_bugfix_release_for_may/dybruyp/
 Need to do a blog post later...
 @tsimonq2 what? how?
 the cosmic repos exist. if @tsimonq2 upgraded last night he would have got zero updates though, and system would have still said bionic
 so he is teasing
 uploads like base-files etc have only started today
 and are still blocked from reaching -release
 @acheronuk, Nooooo. :P
[19:18] <valorie> thanks for all those uploads, acheronuk
[19:18] <valorie> updating now
 By the way, I sent an Ubuntu-release email last night while directly CCing Rik and Valorie, but we're converting all seeds to Git in one week's time unless someone speaks up for their flavor.
[19:20] <valorie> I"m pro-git but then I'm doing none of that work
[19:21] <wxl> it's pretty trivial fwiw but i'm sure the devs can handle that
 Right.
 Flavors have to do nothing, but some people have weird workflows.
 Oh, and I heard they're working towards moving Launchpad itself to Git. \o/
[19:21] <valorie> nice
[19:30] <ricktimmis[m]> +1 on Git
[19:32] <valorie> updates are working perfectly, acheronuk
[19:40] <acheronuk> kool. I warned SRU team that they will be incoming for actual archive. I think maybe blog about both together when uploads are in -proposed for that so people can either (a) install from ppa if not a tester or (b) follow SRU validation guidelines to test from archive
[19:42] <acheronuk> this evening a have a few visitors and am having a few drinks with them, so not going to try anything too technical :P
[19:42] <valorie> I got the new shingles shot yesterday and am feeling .... almost sick
[19:42] <valorie> might need a second cup of coffee
[19:44] <acheronuk> valorie: urgh. my father got shingles, and I discovered via that I had not had chickenpox as a kid when I came out with that!
[19:44] <acheronuk> not fun as an adult!
[19:44] <valorie> I had shingles already *right next to my eye*
[19:44] <valorie> never again, thankyouverymuch
[19:44] <tsimonq2> What's that? O_o
[19:45] <valorie> it is chickenpox virii that hide out in your nerves
[19:45] <valorie> until they pounce
[19:45] <valorie> horrible
 Oh jeez.
[19:45] <valorie> if you google for it, you will get the shot like doublequick
[19:46] <acheronuk> yeah. it lies dormant until when you are a bit older, and your immune system isn't as great as it once was, it comes back to bite
[19:46] <valorie> it was so painful
[19:47] <acheronuk> but as valorie says as shingles it can effect nerves, so nastier that just being spotty
[19:48] <valorie> and in a few people, the swelling goes away but the pain stays
[19:49] <acheronuk> yep. my father took a very long time to get rid of the pain
[19:49] <valorie> fortunately mine was little
[19:49] <valorie> my dad had a huge one, all around his waist
[19:50] <valorie> so wearing pants was torture
[19:50] <valorie> :(
[19:50] <valorie> I think that was before they had a shot


[13:13] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:39] <cyphermox> hey BluesKaj
[13:40] <BluesKaj> hi cyphermox
[17:27] <pangolin> Not Ubuntu related but I think it affects Canadians and Ubuntu indirectly. http://openmedia.ca/news/canadians-rally-day-action-against-bill-c-11-internet-lockdown


[07:18] <eliasps> Hi everyone
[07:18] <amjjawad> Hello eliasps
[07:18] <amjjawad> some bad news :(
[07:18] <eliasps> Hey amjjawad, how are you?
[07:18] <eliasps> Oh? what?
[07:18] <amjjawad> Hi
[07:19] <amjjawad> one of the acting team leaders of the Wiki will quit :(
[07:19] <amjjawad> real life and other projects got into his way
[07:19] <amjjawad> he was one of the finest contributors
[07:20] <eliasps> That happens all the time. Real life always gets in the way of FOSS contributions. Is anyone interested in taking his place until his return?
[07:22] <eliasps> Which one is he?
[07:23] <amjjawad> not sure
[07:23] <amjjawad> as the 2nd acting is always hidden :(
[07:23] <amjjawad> let's see
[07:23] <amjjawad> not that we have lots of tasks but it is always needed to keep the wiki up to date and it is not for sometime now
[07:25] <eliasps> I could help with the wiki section, but I do need to pick some of the pages to keep updated, because I'm not sure I could handle all of them until I get used to its structure. I'm already a member of the wiki team as a translator, so..
[07:26] <amjjawad> eliasps, no worries
[07:26] <amjjawad> not that urgent for now but it is a sad news for me
[07:28] <eliasps> I understand, but keep positive. Life is always a priority and every contributor has to take a step back sometimes to deal with real life issues. But we all return when our time allows it. In the meantime, we will try to find new contributors. I'm excited to work with the team starting this circle!
[07:29] <amjjawad> I agree
[07:50] <darkxst> hey amjjawad
[07:59] <amjjawad> darkxst, hello mate
[08:00] <amjjawad> how was your train yesterday?
[08:04] <darkxst> it was fine, laptop helps ;)
[08:05] <amjjawad> indeed
[08:05] <amjjawad> kill the waiting time
[08:08] <darkxst> amjjawad, yes
[08:09] <amjjawad> darkxst, to deal with Ubuntu or to be more accurate, Ubuntu GNOME as a system, what kind of skills do I have to have?
[08:09] <darkxst> amjjawad, to deal with what exactly?
[08:10] <amjjawad> I am not a coder at all
[08:10] <darkxst> amjjawad, nor is Noskcaj
[08:10] <amjjawad> but say I want to help to build a system yet not a coder
[08:10] <darkxst> amjjawad, there is lots of packaging work for non-coders, but you will umm need to learn packaging
[08:10] <darkxst> I'm sure Jackson can help you!
[08:11] <eliasps> darkxst is there a need for packagers?
[08:11] <eliasps> For Ubuntu GNOME I mean
[08:11] <darkxst> eliasps, yes always
[08:11] <amjjawad> darkxst, I don't know what happened to me?
[08:11] <darkxst> eliasps, right not its only 3
[08:11] <amjjawad> I decided to get rid of all my hats and look at the two areas that I know zero about
[08:12] <amjjawad> coding and servers
[08:12] <darkxst> amjjawad, hence why you are on IRC two nights in a row ;)
[08:12] <darkxst> ?
[08:12] <amjjawad> No
[08:12] <amjjawad> I met someone on IRC today
[08:12] <amjjawad> it started with a semi-fight or argument
[08:13] <amjjawad> I have no clue how it became an inspiring thing to learn the things I am super weak with
[08:13] <amjjawad> I just don't believe how it happened
[08:13] <darkxst> amjjawad, don't fight!
[08:13] <amjjawad> not a fight
[08:13] <amjjawad> it was a bit of offending
[08:13] <amjjawad> but it was solved in 5 mins
[08:13] <darkxst> I just kick those types, only had to do it twice though
[08:14] <fleetfox> what am i reading?
[08:15] <amjjawad> it was a misunderstanding and it got solved
[08:15] <darkxst> fleetfox, I really have no idea either
[08:15] <amjjawad> the interesting part is: I got an inspired idea and this might change a lot in me :D
[08:16] <amjjawad> back to my Q: dealing with Ubuntu GNOME as a system requires a coder? packager? both?
[08:17] <darkxst> we need both, Noskcaj eats up alot of the non-coding packaging but there is always stuff to do
[08:17] <amjjawad> darkxst, you're both but mainly coder
[08:17] <amjjawad> he is mainly packaging
[08:17] <amjjawad> for someone who knows nothing about what you both do
[08:17] <amjjawad> where can he start from?
[08:17] <eliasps> darkxst, It's been a long time since I've dealt with packaging, I'll freshen up my skills, before I could commit to the team and if I could be useful, I'd like to join the team. Is there a mailing list archive where packaging is discussed?
[08:18] <amjjawad> eliasps, indeed there is
[08:18] <darkxst> amjjawad, recently I do the patches, and Noskcaj for the most part does the packaging and merges from debian
[08:18] <amjjawad> eliasps, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-packaging
[08:18] <eliasps> amjjawad, although darkxst is the right person to answer that, there are some tutorials on ubuntu wiki and developer's page. I thing there are some videos as well
[08:19] <eliasps> Thanks amjjawad
[08:19] <amjjawad> eliasps, ;)
[08:20]  * darkxst off to make dinner
[08:20] <amjjawad> darkxst, catchup with you later ;)
[08:28] <eliasps> amjjawad, question: All those roles here are updated? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved/Roles
[08:29] <amjjawad> eliasps, should be
[08:29] <amjjawad> except I need to fill the new roles that you guys took
[08:30] <amjjawad> eliasps, once I make the official announcement, I will update it
[08:30] <darkxst> eliasps, packaging is noticeably absent from that list
[08:31] <darkxst> I haven't had time to update it for that
[08:31] <eliasps> Yeah, no worries, I'm just asking to see in what areas I could be useful. I'll wait a few days to see if anyone is interested in some of those areas, and if there is a lack of people, I'll join in.
[08:32] <darkxst> eliasps, most teams (or all) could use extra hands, just pick what you want to do!
[08:32] <amjjawad> eliasps, as a new contributor, I highly suggest to take it easy in order not to burn out
[08:32] <amjjawad> ask me about that
[08:32] <darkxst> amjjawad is the king of burn out!
[08:32] <amjjawad> choose the one(s) that you find yourself and can have fun
[08:32] <amjjawad> darkxst, YES and I never learn
[08:32] <eliasps> amjjawad, trust me, I get what you mean, I've been there as well, it's overwhelming to say the least! :P
[08:33] <eliasps> I can see that!
[08:33] <amjjawad> how do you think Ubuntu GNOME in NO TIME became so strong like that if I won't burned out?
[08:33] <amjjawad> it is like a candle, burn itself to enlighten the other
[08:34] <amjjawad> but yes, I am killing myself slowly, that is why I found people to take over some sub-teams Ld
[08:34] <darkxst> amjjawad, sure, but you need to manage these things ;)
[08:34] <amjjawad> :D
[08:35] <eliasps> All it takes is willing contributors and effective collaboration. Having the areas of involvement equally split, sharing the workload equally is the best thing to do. amjjawad, burning yourself out does good for UG, but not for you.
[08:35] <eliasps> So yeah, it's a good decision
[08:35] <amjjawad> eliasps, yep
[08:36] <amjjawad> I decided to work harder on myself more than the projects :)
[08:36] <darkxst> eliasps, its actually really hard to find pro-active contributors, many people offer help, but it ends there
[08:36] <amjjawad> +1 :(
[08:37] <darkxst> (speaking more on behalf of packaging, since I am well out of the loop for other teams)
[08:37] <darkxst> but guessing its similar
[08:37] <darkxst> and meh, really need to cook dinner now ;)
[08:37] <eliasps> In my experience it is similar yes.
[08:37] <eliasps> Ok darkxst, talk to you later!
[08:38] <amjjawad> darkxst, enjoy it
[08:38] <amjjawad> I will start eating soon too
[08:38] <amjjawad> eliasps, remind me please :(
[08:38] <amjjawad> what areas you stepped in so far?
[08:38] <amjjawad> marketing, translations?
[08:38] <eliasps> Communications, testing and translations
[08:39] <amjjawad> ineed
[08:39] <amjjawad> indeed
[08:39] <amjjawad> okay, after dinner, need to make the announcement
[08:40] <eliasps> No worries, take your time.
[08:41] <darkxst> eliasps, we found ubuntu GNOME from a development perspective, too build a community around making GNOME work well in Ubuntu and work with upstream to integrate, then Ali came along took care of the Non-Tech side
[08:41] <amjjawad> the load will be in marketing thic cycle :D
[08:41] <darkxst> s/found/founded/
[08:42] <eliasps> darkxst I can see that. I track Ubuntu GNOME changes since day one, that I'm a user of it ;) Amazing work.
[08:42] <eliasps> amjjawad, looking forward to it actually! :P
[08:43] <eliasps> It is indeed a workload, but if you're having fun with it makes it easier.  Bye :)
[08:45] <amjjawad> no byes, cya :D
[08:45] <eliasps> hehe ;)
[08:45] <amjjawad> :D
[08:45] <eliasps> cya then! :P
[08:46] <amjjawad> Cya
[15:48] <octoquad> darkxst, haven't had a chance to look at that wine/fglrx problem yet, will get back to you this weekend.


[00:00] <Ubulette> [reed], are the patches that you've committed still for b3 or already b4pre ?
[00:01] <[reed]> b3
[00:03] <[reed]> b3 builds will start Monday if everything goes to plan
[00:04] <Ubulette> so the tree is not frozen yet ?
[00:07] <asac> Ubulette: that patch is pretty simple
[00:08] <Ubulette> i've read it, you've added a new key
[00:09] <Ubulette> well, install xulrunner-1.9-dom-inspector and xulrunner-1.9-venkman and see by yourself
[00:10] <asac> why are they broken in your opinion?
[00:11] <Ubulette> there are listed in the Add-ons UI, worse, I see dom-inspector b2 listed while it's b3pre installed. This b2 thing is only referenced in my profile (like a ghost in extensions.rdf)
[00:11] <Ubulette> they are *not*
[00:12] <asac> most likely its general addons breakage due to AMO support landing?
[00:12] <Ubulette> maybe
[00:12] <asac> doesn't sound like its the gre patch
[00:12] <asac> wrong version being listed means that it doesn't update info in profile
[00:13] <asac> in hardy version its still properly listed as 1.9b3pre
[00:14] <Ubulette> i'm using 20080201t1159
[00:14] <asac> even in 20080125t0332 ... which is what i am running
[00:14] <asac> yeah ... if it has the new AMO support then its most likely that
[00:14] <asac> mozilla bug 404024
[00:15] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 404024 in Extension/Theme Manager "Add AMO integration pane" [Normal,Verified: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404024
[00:15] <asac> ubotu: wake up
[00:15] <asac> ok
[00:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wake up - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:16] <asac> mozilla bug 408118
[00:16] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 408118 in Extension/Theme Manager "Auto-enable themes on install" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408118
[00:23] <Ubulette> asac, did you try bug 186186 without system cairo ?
[00:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186186 in xulrunner-1.9 "web page background render errors" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186186
[00:23] <Ubulette> or with my new (still not sponsored) cairo?
[00:35] <asac> Ubulette: not explicitly, but i think i used in-source for some time and didn't notice any difference
[00:36] <Ubulette> = broken too ?
[00:37] <asac> thats what i feel to remember (not knowing for sure)
[00:38] <asac> i can try tomorrow
[00:39] <Ubulette> give a try to my ppa, it's built with latest cairo
[00:39] <asac> i'll do afterwards
[01:43] <[reed]> Ubulette: the tree is frozen
[01:43] <[reed]> Ubulette: all patches landing now have to get special driver approval
[06:00] <shirish> asac: Ubulette: either of u guys up?
[13:35] <shirish> Ubulette: you up m8?
[13:35] <Ubulette> yep
[13:36] <shirish> ok, lemme just get back to GNU/Linux, this is a windows box, bbl in 5 mins, Please don't go anywhere
[13:41] <shirish> Ubulette: back
[13:41] <Ubulette> yop
[13:42] <shirish> Ubulette: now how do I make sure that I can downgrade to the Hardy versions for nautilus as well. Should I comment the third-party repos or somehow else?
[13:43] <Ubulette> please show me: grep sofaraway /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:45] <shirish> pastebinned the output at http://pastebin.ca/890098http://pastebin.ca/890098
[13:45] <shirish> http://pastebin.ca/890098
[13:45] <shirish> sorry for double pasting.
[13:46] <shirish> so is this ok, for I realize there could be issues with whatever hardy is doing to what stuff I'm taking from u. Apart from FF3, I mean
[13:48] <shirish> Ubulette: ?
[13:48] <Ubulette> seems good. Everything could work on top of hardy but I lack time to maintain those on my side and hardy is fresh enough at the moment.
[13:48] <shirish> Ubulette: I understand.
[13:48] <shirish> Ubulette: its that bug which has got me and really don't know what's causing it.
[13:49] <Ubulette> now, you can downgrade if you want.
[13:49] <Ubulette> dpkg -l | grep +bbot
[13:52] <shirish> Ubulette: Thanx, this is cool.
[13:54] <shirish> dpkg -l | grep +bbot > 3rdparty.txt this doesn't work. What am I doing wrong?
[13:55] <Ubulette> this command lists packages from my repos, it doesn't downgrade for you
[13:56] <shirish> right, I understood that, I just wanted to put the output of it to a .txt file so I can refer to stuff. Downgrading stuff as we speak :)
[13:56] <Ubulette> maybe you should consider dropping all my minirepos and use my ppa instead, you'll have the mozilla stuff almost as fresh
[13:57] <shirish> Ubulette: I was wondering about that, how are ppa's different then the minirepos?
[13:57] <Ubulette> ppa are maintained manually, my minirepos are totally automatic (and untested)
[13:57] <shirish> aha, so the possibility of things going wrong are lesser?
[13:58] <Ubulette> yes
[13:58] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive
[13:58] <shirish> This is something which somebody has also written, perhaps u have read it.
[13:58] <shirish> http://www.happyassassin.net/2007/10/24/mistakes/
[13:58] <shirish> what do u think?
[14:03] <Ubulette> yes and no. any kind of 3rd party repo could be a source of trouble.
[14:04] <shirish> that's true. If it were not for the issue which happened, I was happily using the minirepos.
[14:05] <shirish> Ubulette: also with the PPA, do u think now that u need the minirepos anymore?
[14:06] <Ubulette> as I said, ppa are manual, it's boring to update on the long term.
[14:07] <Ubulette> manual not by design, i can ask my bot to push packages to my ppa but it's forbidden
[14:08] <shirish> right, I understand, I'm sure at some point there would be some kind of automation for the PPA I guess.
[14:09] <Ubulette> they don't want people to use ppa for daily builds
[14:09] <Ubulette> i've recently automated my mozilla updates, yet I don't run that daily
[14:10] <Ubulette> I could but I won't
[14:12] <Ubulette> I still use my bot for that. I'm just pruning the list of packages a bit.
[14:14] <shirish> what do u think if I just lay off & just be with whatever hardy provides for some-time. The reason being simply that I need to file bugs when breakage is happening & if it happens from Hardy sources my mind would be clear.
[14:15] <Ubulette> just make sure to never report a bug against a +bbot package (deps included)
[14:16] <shirish> Ubulette: how do I figure that out?
[14:16] <Ubulette> if you're not sure, you'd better downgrade them now ;)
[14:18] <shirish> right, that's the thing.
[14:19] <shirish> I just hope with downgrading stuff, my FF profile doesn't get ****** up.
[14:19] <Ubulette> nope
[14:20] <Ubulette> add my ppa if you still want fresh ff
[14:20] <shirish> Ubulette: ok cool, on with downgrading, thanx for u'r help
[14:21] <shirish> Ubulette: the problem with the ppa is it has much more than that, it includes gnome-control-center & other stuff. Not like the minirepos unfortunately.
[14:21] <Ubulette> i have a script somewhere to downgrade
[14:22] <Ubulette> my gnome-control-center changes are waiting to be sponsored in hardy (just got stuck in the alpha4 freeze)
[14:22] <Ubulette> same for cairo
[14:23] <Ubulette> and I can nuke libpng, they don't want APNG in hardy :(
[14:23] <shirish> Ubulette: what's APNG, I know its something to do with .png file format
[14:23] <Ubulette> animated png used in ff3
[14:25] <Ubulette> http://people.mozilla.com/~dolske/apng/demo.html
[14:25] <shirish> now why don't they want APNG to be used in hardy?
[14:26] <shirish> that seems to be stupid or do they have some valid reason?
[14:26] <shirish> Ubulette: ?
[14:26] <Ubulette> because it violates the initial goal of the png spec, ie 1 png = 1 still picture only
[14:27] <shirish> Ubulette: aha, ok but I'm sure it will gather momentum, atleast on the windows platform with FF3 supporting it, wouldn't it?
[14:27] <Ubulette> that's my guess too
[14:27] <shirish> Ubulette: how do other browsers look at APNG stuff?
[14:28] <shirish> for that would also give a hint as to the adoption of APNG in the WWW world?
[14:28] <shirish> the last should have been a full stop . not a question ? :)
[14:28] <Ubulette> opera supports it too. everything else will only see the 1st frame, it's compatible with standard png
[14:28] <shirish> So enough masala (spice) for a post what do u think?
[14:29] <Ubulette> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=<IP_ADDRESS>.20070420132821.012dd8e8%40mail.comcast.net
[14:29] <shirish> I'm sure some people have blogged about it.
[14:33] <shirish> Interesting, what is MNG?
[14:33] <Ubulette> another animation format
[14:33] <Ubulette> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apng
[14:37] <shirish> and JNG is another animation format I'm guessing
[14:39] <Ubulette> yes, based on jpeg
[14:41] <shirish> so much duplication of stuff, I wish they could come to some conclusion so authors could start using something or the author. This is just gonna increase confusion or it already had been for a long time.
[14:41] <Ubulette> apng as been there since 2004
[14:42] <Ubulette> yet only in 2007 it started to be used
[14:42] <shirish> Ubulette: hmm.....
[14:43] <shirish> Ubulette: what do u make out of HTML 5? Do u think many people will go for it?
[14:43] <Ubulette> shirish, http://paste.ubuntu.com/4140/
[14:44] <Ubulette> i'm not much into the details of html5 but from what I've read, it looks promising and really wanted
[14:47] <shirish> Ubulette: I got it, put it in a .txt file, renamed it to .sh file . Now how do I run it, I have to chmod it to 755 & do something more, right?
[14:48] <Ubulette> chmod 755 downgrade-bbot.sh ; ./downgrade-bbot.sh
[14:49] <Ubulette> read, if you're happy, paste in your shell the apt-get line (sudo if you're not root)
[14:52] <shirish> cool, it basically does a sort of grep & gives u output which files have to be dowgraded, nice script
[14:52] <Ubulette> yes
[14:52] <shirish> how long is the freeze for a4?
[14:56] <Ubulette_> damn, my router crashed badly
 how long is the freeze for a4?
 it's over
[14:57] <shirish> so now u can put ur overdue changes in the queque
[14:58] <shirish> Ubulette_: sorry to hear that, what router have u been using?
[14:58] <Ubulette_> yes, but it's the w-e so core dev are not there
[14:58] <Ubulette_> a box from my isp
[14:59] <shirish> don't know what's that
[15:00] <Ubulette_> http://www.sagem.com/support/site/modele_fax.php?page=produit&numero_type=9&produit=284
[15:00] <shirish> Ubulette_: ah cool, would check it out.
[15:00] <shirish> Ubulette_: Would have to go outside for an hr. Hope we can talk a bit more, have some more things to share
[15:01] <Ubulette_> k
[15:01] <shirish> share/ask :)
[16:54] <Mirv> asac: yes, I wouldn't count on new Rosetta features making it on time, Launchpad team is quite loaded. can you import the current Russian and Finnish locale translations from the other ubufox branch? the call for more ubufox translations might be end of this month when the UI freeze is in effect
[17:11] <Mirv> ...and of course, if there are no ubufox UI changes coming, the earlier the call the better
[23:30] <asac> Mirv: thanks


[16:11] <duvnell>  I have a service .conf file  which has "start on lightdm"  so that it's started only after the display manager starts.   But of course if the user is running kdm, gdm, xdm, etc.. that doesn't work.  Is there an alias which means whatever-display-manager-the-user-uses or do I need to OR all the possible display manager names that I can think of?  (should start more or less at the login screen (i.e. when display manager starts).. not waiting for user to l
[17:44] <JanC> you mean 'start on started lightdm', I guess
[17:45] <JanC> duvnell: in Ubuntu there is a 'login-session-start' event
[17:46] <JanC> see the 'upstart-events' manpage
[17:47] <JanC> oh no, that fires before the DM starts
[19:29] <duvnell> right
[19:29] <duvnell> I haven't find anything that works well