[07:20] <rvba> bigjools: with your fix in https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/utopic-syslinux-location/+merge/223851 we should finally have a working Utopic package.  (The other blocker got resolved yesterday.)
[07:36] <rvba> bigjools: can you confirm that you saw a *static IP* in the forward zone file?
[07:56] <rvba> bigjools: I'm testing the new static DHCP stuff and I'm confused: my commissioning node gets a static IP.
[10:43] <bigjools> rvba: thanks for landing the fix. Yes I saw a static IP for a CNAME.
[10:43] <bigjools> rvba: static IP for commisioning is either a bug or a feature depending on your PoV
[10:43] <bigjools> :)
[10:44] <rvba> bigjools: well, looks like the lander is down (I just redeployed the lander now) so it's not landed yet.
[10:45] <rvba> bigjools: Yeah, I figured out the CNAME thing eventually: even static mappings end up in the leases file… so they are parsed and stored in the DB… eventually.
[10:45] <rvba> bigjools: oh, it just got landed
[10:45] <bigjools> yeah static leases in there is a feature too
[10:45] <bigjools> not that worried about those
[10:45] <bigjools> in fact it drives the DNS at the moment :)
[10:46] <rvba> bigjools: well, have a look at my email, I found myself in a weird situation were I had conflicting IP addresses (an allocated node had a *dynamic* IP).
[10:46] <bigjools> rvba: I skimmed it, it's too late and I am too tired to take it all in
[10:47] <rvba> bigjools: sure, no worries.  It's just good to be able to QA this…
[10:47] <bigjools> rvba: yes, thank you for doing some QA
[10:48] <rvba> welcome
[10:48] <rvba> Starting a CI run now…
[11:23] <allenap> jtv: You’ve got some conflicts in https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/dual-stack-network-helpers/+merge/223869
[11:23] <allenap> jtv: I’ll review that after lunch if it hasn’t been taken by then.
[13:36] <rvba> Reviewer needed! https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/fix-bootloader-path/+merge/223920
[13:45] <rvba> allenap: gmb: Anyone up for a tiny review? ^
[13:45] <gmb> rvba: Sure
[13:45] <rvba> Ta
[13:51] <wrale_> on 1.5.1+bzr2269-0ubuntu0.1: i'm running supermicro nodes.  i manually typed in the IPMI information which I know to be correct via ipmiview (SM's tool).  node says ready and has IPMI v2.0 config, yet start but is greyed out.. is this normal?
[14:11] <jtv> wrale_: if Start is greyed out in the UI, there should be a tooltip to tell you the reason.
[14:11] <jtv> For me it's usually "need to register an SSH key or you won't be able to access the node."
[14:12] <jtv> That reminds me — blake_r, jhobbs: we inhibit the Start node action in the UI if the user has no ssh keys registered... Does that need to be smarter and look at SSL and/or SSH keys depending on the chosen OS?
[14:13] <blake_r> jtv: The node should fail to start if missing sslkeys and windows
[14:13] <blake_r> jtv: meaning not allowed*
[14:15] <blake_r> jtv: quick question
[14:15] <blake_r> jtv: would it be okay to do this
[14:15] <blake_r> jtv: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7674825/
[14:17] <jtv> Looking...
[14:17] <jtv> But note that "fail to start" is different from "inhibit."  If you don't register an SSH key, and then you browse to a node's page, the Start button will be greyed out and a tooltip will say that you need to register an SSH key.
[14:18] <jtv> blake_r: it's ugly but in the context I think it makes sense.
[14:18] <jtv> (Your paste, that is)
[14:19] <blake_r> jtv: i understand, having a tooltip that says register sslkey would be good
[14:20] <blake_r> jtv: tahnks
[14:20] <jtv> ISTM if you want to start a Windows node, you can use either type of key; if you want a regular node, you need an SSH one.
[14:21] <roaksoax> hey guys, if we were to add a way for users to add custom power methods, is that soemthing we would want to do?
[14:21] <roaksoax> jtv: ^^
[14:21] <jtv> AIUI, no.
[14:21] <roaksoax> rvba: ^^
[14:21] <blake_r> roaksoax: yes
[14:21] <roaksoax> like "Add power method"
[14:21] <jtv> We want them all in the codebase, so we can change the API, right?
[14:21] <blake_r> roaksoax: look at my plugin architecture
[14:21] <roaksoax> blake_r: branch?
[14:21] <blake_r> roaksoax: doc
[14:22] <roaksoax> blake_r: doc?
[14:22] <roaksoax> :)
[14:22] <roaksoax> jtv: right, so if we were to do a plugin architecture such as the one blake_r designed in the dcoument. Why would we not want to do that?
[14:22] <roaksoax> jtv: what are the benefits of having it so
[14:22] <jtv> Orders.  :)
[14:22] <roaksoax> jtv: what are the disadvantages?
[14:22] <roaksoax> jtv: just exploring cause someone on canonical was requesting whether we can do that
[14:23] <jtv> Right.  My recollection is that we want to keep all power methods in a single codebase, to keep development unified.
[14:23] <gmb> rvba, jtv, allenap: Can haz review: https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/clean-ip-ranges-ipv6/+merge/223936
[14:23] <jtv> I'll take it.
[14:24] <gmb> Thankee squire
[14:24] <rvba> roaksoax: Like jtv said, I think we want to keep all the code in MAAS itself if possible.  But the plugin architecture allows external packages to contribute power method so it's technically possible.
[14:30] <wrale_> jtv: brilliant.. thanks!
[14:31] <jtv> wrale_: was it the SSH key?  :-)
[14:31] <allenap> roaksoax: Mark wants it all in MAAS, so that we manage QA, via CI and the like. Having a hook point for adding new power methods is, IMO, about helping the user to help herself; if we make it easy for someone to make a new power method, that’s a happy user. However, they may be unhappy when we change the API and their code breaks...
[14:32] <wrale_> indeed!
[14:32] <jtv> :)
[14:32] <wrale_> strange UI feature
[14:32] <allenap> roaksoax: I think we should have a hook, but not something that can be added via the UI. As in, only a developer could make it. That way there’s a greater chance that it can be upstreamed to us.
[14:33] <allenap> roaksoax: And, iirc, that’s what blake_r’s doc suggests.
[14:33] <wrale_> i'd rather fail fast and find i can't login than greying out this box
[14:33] <wrale_> hmm maybe that's not fail fast.. either way :)
[14:33] <jtv> Well theoretically, being able to see the notice _before_ you click the box should be faster.
[14:33] <wrale_> ^ yup
[14:33] <jtv> The question is whether the tooltip is obvious enough.
[14:34] <jtv> Maybe we should just show that message under the button.
[14:35] <jpds> jtv: You around?
[14:36] <jtv> Hi jpds
[14:36] <jpds> jtv: I'm having issues with a fresh install of MAAS and gmb said that you might be able to help.
[14:36] <jtv> ?
[14:37]  * gmb also named rvba, just to spread the misery
[14:37] <rvba> heh
[14:37] <jpds> Oh, sorry.
[14:37] <gmb> Also allenap, first mate of HMS MAAS
[14:37] <gmb> Basically anyone who’s not me, then…
[14:38] <jpds> I'm getting this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7674927/
[14:38] <jtv> Good to know who our friends are
[14:39] <jtv> jpds: I think that means there's a problem with the credentials string.
[14:40] <jtv> The oauth module probably just happens to validate the "consumer" part of the string first, finds a fatal problem there, and says "invalid consumer" instead of "this is a recipe for mussels à la mode, not a valid credentials string."
[14:42] <gmb> jtv: This is on the first PXE boot of a node, which is what’s confusing me, and why I refered tit to you guys. :)
[14:42] <jtv> Ooo
[14:42] <allenap> jtv: I believe we added the is_recipe_for_mussels_a_la_mode() validator a while back.
[14:42] <jtv> Then might it be the old clock-skew problem?
[14:42] <gmb> D'oh!
[14:42] <gmb> Didn’t think of that.
[14:45] <jtv> jpds: I thought we'd fixed it, but it might be something like "node's hardware clock is wildly out of sync with the server's clock."  It upsets oauth.
[14:46] <jtv> Maybe you're not getting NTP?
[15:13]  * jpds returns.
[15:13] <jpds> jtv: Well, ntp's on the box. Offset: -0.030.
[15:14] <jpds> Oh, I got a machine in MAAS.
[15:20] <jpds> jtv: It's still happening.
[15:28] <gmb> allenap: When you say “It might be worth allocating from the fc00::/7 range too; http://www.simpledns.com/private-ipv6.aspx has an explanation why.” do you mean “instead of just from entirely random address space”?
[15:29] <allenap> gmb: Yeah.
[15:29] <gmb> Ok
[16:54] <allenap> gmb: I’ve got an extremely little bit of bad news for you. I really like the way you’ve fixed getRandomIPv6Address(), but there’s a bug: randint() can return either endpoint, one of which is network.size, and network[network.size] results in IndexError. On average it’ll only happen once every<PHONE_NUMBER>569831745807614120560689152 calls though, so it
[16:54] <allenap> really is a *very* small bug.
[16:57] <wrale_> i wish #juju were as responsive as #maas
[18:53] <wrale_> how can i disable swap partition creation during the node install process (during maas provision)?  do i need to edit the preseed files?
[18:53] <wrale_> swap is killing my installs to a 240GB ssd on a server with 256GB ram
[19:29] <blake_r> wrale_: if you use fast-path installer
[19:29] <blake_r> wrale_: no swap partition is created
[19:29] <blake_r> wrale_: there is a button on the node view to enable it
[19:29] <blake_r> wrale_: its normally enable by default
[19:43] <wrale_> thanks blake_r .. i'll try this
[20:32] <wrale_> blake_r: that worked.. thanks again.  any idea how i might get the juju status command to get its dns lookups from the maas running on the same machine?
[20:32] <blake_r> wrale_: set your first dns as the maas ip
[20:33] <wrale_> blake_r: cool.. will do.. thank you
[20:33] <blake_r> wrale_: dont forget to set your upstream dns address on the maas settings page
[20:35] <wrale_> hmm.. can't seem to find that.. will look for docs
[20:35] <wrale_> oh.. nvm. .found it
[20:41] <wrale_> is it normal for my secondary interfaces (enabled with dhcp and dns in maas) to remain unconfigured after booting a node (juju bootstrap) with the fast installer?
[21:19] <AskUbuntu> Can Ping but Cannot SSH to Openstack VM Instace | http://askubuntu.com/q/486151


[04:17] <thumper> anyone? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/fix-upgrade-branch-failure/+merge/31114
[04:21] <thumper> lifeless: are you technically a reviewer?
[04:28] <lifeless> I've never left; I was one of the very first reviewers.
[04:29] <lifeless> and I spoke with bac about whether he wanted any action to stop being emeritus, he didn't
[04:29] <lifeless> other than poppig back in the roster etc - which I volunteered for anyhow
[04:30] <lifeless> that said, I'm fucked
[04:30] <lifeless> is it trivial ?
[04:34] <lifeless> it looks ok except on line 45 you have 2 lines of VWS, in a class only one line between methods please
[04:35]  * wgrant loves the Vim plugin which points that out.
[04:39] <thumper> lifeless: no it isn't trivial
[04:40] <thumper> lifeless: even if we had trivial, I don't think this should be any more
[04:40] <thumper> lifeless: also, just to rerun failing tests, use testr run --failing ?
[04:41] <lifeless> I don't mean [trivial], I meant 'small'
[04:42] <lifeless> I agree that your patch wouldn't have been [trivial]!
[04:42] <lifeless> just small-enough-for-fucked-brain to review
[04:42] <lifeless> yes, testr run --failing
[04:43] <thumper> lifeless: I'm trying to make as many branches as I can to be trivial to review
[04:43] <thumper> No .testr.conf config file
[04:43] <thumper> ?
[04:44] <thumper> lifeless: I did a testr init; zcat ... | testr load
[04:44] <lifeless> thumper: it looks in . not in ., .., ../.. etc
[04:45] <thumper> lifeless: I'm in .
[04:45] <lifeless> hmm
[04:45] <lifeless> is there a .testr.conf ?
[04:45] <thumper> no
[04:45] <thumper> what creates it?
[04:45] <lifeless> its in the lp tree
[04:45] <lifeless> has been for a while
[04:46] <lifeless> its versioned
[04:46] <thumper> oh
[04:47] <thumper> so my rm was prolly bad then
[04:47] <lifeless> yes
[04:47] <lifeless> .testrepository - safe to delete
[04:47] <lifeless> .testr.conf - do nae touch
[04:47] <thumper> bzr revert to the rescue
[05:30] <thumper> mwhudson: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/stop-mirroring-hosted/+merge/31116
[05:30] <thumper> mwhudson: this is the last of the request mirror branches
[05:30]  * mwhudson looks
[05:30] <thumper> mwhudson: the one that actually raises
[05:32] <mwhudson> yay
[05:34] <mwhudson> thumper: approved
[05:34] <mwhudson> with a minor note
[05:35] <thumper> mwhudson: ta
[14:03] <jelmer> EdwinGrubbs: I was looking at your +needs-packaging branch.
[14:03] <jelmer> EdwinGrubbs: The MP mentions a URL on staging that should timeout - is your branch already on staging?
[14:03] <jelmer> or this for after it has landed?
[14:04] <EdwinGrubbs> jelmer: no, it's not on staging, but you are unlikely to be able to trigger a timeout on launchpad.dev.
[14:04] <jelmer> Ah, of course - makes sense
[14:46] <mars> jelmer, ping, have time for a simple bit of test suite refactoring?
[14:46] <mars> as a review
[14:46] <mars> :)
[14:46] <jelmer> mars: Sure!
[14:46] <jelmer> refactoring ftw
[14:46] <mars> ok, It's on +activereviews
[14:47] <mars> thanks jelmer
[15:03] <jelmer> mars: Is it ok that the Mocker object is static and doesn't get cleaned up between tests?
[15:06] <mars> jelmer, yes, I think it is a singleton Facade to mocker itself
[15:07] <mars> That is what mocker.reset() is for I believe
[15:07] <mars> had to experiment a bit to find that out
[15:08] <mars> jelmer, you know, it could probably become a test case member as well
[15:09] <mars> the docs don't really have a best practice there, short of using the MockerTestCase base class
[15:12] <jelmer> Ah, ok - that makes sense
[15:12] <jelmer> I guess the overhead of creating a Mocker when importing that module also isn't too bad
[15:13] <jelmer> Is this the first place where we're using mocker?
[15:14] <mars> it is
[15:15] <mars> ideal case for it too
[15:15] <mars> WindmillClient uses dynamic methods, so there is no base class you can inherit and override
[15:16] <mars> you have to manually stub out every single method, or use mocks
[15:24] <jelmer> mars: r=me, see some minor comments in the MP
[15:26] <mars> jelmer, great, thanks for the review
[15:26] <mars> I'll have another review, a one-liner, coming along in a few minutes
[15:35] <mars> jelmer, time for one more?  2 lines edited:  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mars/launchpad/activate-xvfb-error-log/+merge/31154
[15:35] <mars> ugh, diff updates are slow today
[15:54]  * jelmer kicks xchat for not highlighting
[15:54] <jelmer> mars: r=me
[15:55] <mars> jelmer, thanks!
[16:07] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: are you reviewing?
[16:07] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: yes
[16:08] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: would you mind looking at my private membership destroyer branch?  sadly it is huge...almost 1400 lines
[16:08] <bac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-602773/+merge/31162
[16:08] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: sure
[16:27] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: it doesn't look like validate_person does anything besides check IPerson.providedBY(). Is there something important it should be doing, or could it just be removed?
[16:50] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: did you see my comment above?
[17:07] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/reject-private-recipe/+merge/31171 ?
[17:13] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: I can do that after lunch.
[17:13] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, thanks
[18:21] <bac> hi Edwin-lunch, sorry i didn't see your comment before i went to lunch.
[18:23] <abentley> Edwin-lunch, lifeless reviewed the one I asked you to, so please review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/new-score/+merge/31178 instead.
[19:08] <bac> Edwin-lunch: back?
[19:14] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: I'm here
[19:18] <bac> hi EdwinGrubbs...otp for a sec
[19:20] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: yeah, i was unsure about keeping that person validator.  you think it is useless?
[19:21] <bac> i'm unclear how a non-person could get that far
[19:22] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: I doubt that a nonperson could get that far.
[19:23] <bac> yeah, i think that test was just in there to protect the remaining checks in the old validator.  probably overly defensive
[19:24] <bac> thanks for the review.  i'll remove that validator and land via ec2, as always
[19:26] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: ok, I'll mark it approved then.
[19:26] <bac> thanks, EdwinGrubbs
[19:56] <james_w> Hi EdwinGrubbs, would you have time for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~james-w/launchpad/copy-archive-job/+merge/28439 ?
[19:57] <EdwinGrubbs> james_w: I can work on that a little bit later today.
[19:57] <james_w> great, thanks
[20:16] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: what is the queue_record.lastscore exactly?
[20:17] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, it is the score that has been assigned to the build to determine its priority.  "last" is hysterical raisins.
[20:31] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: i've got a 37 line branch.  may i add it to your queue?
[20:31] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: sure
[20:31] <bac> thanks.  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-607733/+merge/31195
[20:35] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: r=me
[20:38] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, thanks.
[20:54] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: you said earlier you would update https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-602773/+merge/31162 -- could you do that now?
[20:56] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: oops, done.
[23:33] <EdwinGrubbs> james_w: review sent
[23:34] <james_w> thanks


[21:26] <DMA> SamwiseGamgee: why don't you just take a look in /etc/apt/sources.{d,list} ?
[21:27] <SamwiseGamgee> d,list?
[21:27] <friendlyfascism> SamwiseGamgee, Pastebin all the info from in the terminal sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade     you can hit n for no on the install.
[21:27] <kasiisomi> friendlyfascism, i think you didint get me wel
[21:27] <friendlyfascism> !pastebin | SamwiseGamgee
[21:27] <kasiisomi> friendlyfascism,  how can mount the formated partition
[21:27] <friendlyfascism> kasiisomi, Is english your native language?
[21:28] <cool_boy> 100% CUP use can cause process kill?
[21:28] <cool_boy> CPU*
[21:28] <friendlyfascism> kasiisomi, Ah you wiped it, probably not much recoverable, but try testdisk
[21:28] <DMA> SamwiseGamgee: sources.list and sources.d (sorry, BASH abbreviation)
[21:29] <kasiisomi> friendlyfascism,  testdisk  already tried but nothing  was achieved
[21:29] <SamwiseGamgee> What does 'd' stand for?
[21:29] <friendlyfascism> kasiisomi, I doubt you will get anything than to be honest, you should of had all that backed up.
[21:30] <friendlyfascism> SamwiseGamgee, Use nicks as a preface when addressing others here.
[21:30] <SamwiseGamgee> friendlyfascism, does this work?
[21:30] <friendlyfascism> SamwiseGamgee, Yes perfect.
[21:30] <kasiisomi> friendlyfascism,  may be we can use team viewer
[21:31] <kasiisomi> friendlyfascism,  u can access it remotely
[21:31] <TJ-> SamwiseGamgee: "grep '^deb ' /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list"
[21:31] <friendlyfascism> kasiisomi, I don't nor does any legit helper here we don't roll that way
[21:31] <SamwiseGamgee> grep?
[21:32] <friendlyfascism> kasiisomi, Leting some random person on the web access is a bad idea.
[21:33] <kendrick_> any preloaded software to format hdds?
[21:33] <friendlyfascism> kendrick_, The terminal, but gparted works nicely install it.
[21:33] <awesomess3> Well.......after 8 minutes of running a .gif in Firefox it's using 9.7% of a i3 1.9GHz CPU, congratulations Mozilla.
[21:33] <kasiisomi> friendlyfascism,  let me send to you  snapshot
[21:33] <SamwiseGamgee> It sounds like too many commands to paste on pastebin at once, I didn't realize I had such a complicated problem
[21:33] <friendlyfascism> kasiisomi, I can't help you, testdisk finds nothing I doubt you have a chance.
[21:33] <awesomess3> furkan, see my last post ^^^
[21:34] <SamwiseGamgee> if it's such a complicated problem, it will take a long time to fix
[21:34] <TJ-> SamwiseGamgee: There you go... auto-send to pastebin: "grep '^deb ' /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | pastebinit"
[21:35] <kasiisomi> friendlyfascism,  let me send to you  those snapshot of a testdisk
[21:35] <SamwiseGamgee> I better wait until I have more time to fix it.  If it was an easy fix, I would do it now, but it will take too long, and it looks very challenging to fix
[21:35] <TJ-> SamwiseGamgee: It's taken you longer to type all those messages than it would to run the command :)
[21:35] <furkan> awesomess3: thanks! oddly enough it seems that firefox uses less CPU than chromium for displaying GIFs lol, even though it seems to consume more for other tasks
[21:38] <SamwiseGamgee> I don't know how to use grep, but those two other commands look easy
[21:39] <TJ-> SamwiseGamgee: I've given you the *exact* command to execute... type everything inside the double-quotes and press Enter
[21:41] <SamwiseGamgee> I doubt that would work, TJ, because there is no pastebin address specified
[21:41] <TJ-> SamwiseGamgee: You're obviously the expert, I'll leave it to you
[21:42] <DMA> How can I ask ubottu to find a file inside a package?
[21:42] <DMA> cc OerHeks
[21:42] <k1l> DMA: just use packages.ubuntu.com
[21:42] <xangua> DMA /msg ubottu find something
[21:42] <DMA> thx xangua
[21:43] <peter__> hi everyone
[21:43] <furkan> SamwiseGamgee: grep is awesome, one of the first tools i fell in love with after converting to linux lol
[21:45] <friendlyfascism> atLarge, kendrick_, The terminal, but gparted works nicely install it.
[21:45] <SamwiseGamgee> damn it, my PC is downloading way too much unsupported updates
[21:45] <ikonia> unsupported updates ?
[21:45] <eoan> friendlyfacism, thanks for trying to help, I'm going to put the kettle on and trawl google some more tomorrow :)
[21:45] <SamwiseGamgee> Yeah, and they told me not to follow TJ's advice about pastebin
[21:46] <peter__> I have some problems with USB - ports have no power.
[21:46] <peter__> Here's my dmesg: http://pastebin.com/E9NqbSQC
[21:46] <SamwiseGamgee> so, I got to fix this problem on my own, without using pastebin
[21:46] <peter__> Last 40 lines, exactly
[21:46] <ikonia> why can't you use a pastebin ?
[21:46] <TJ-> peter__: What's the make/model ?
[21:47] <SamwiseGamgee> they said it's not safe to show strangers pastebin
[21:47] <peter__> Toshiba satellite NT10t
[21:47] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: it's fine
[21:47] <awesomess3> that's really cool that `pastebinit` comes with 14.04
[21:47] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: just pastebin the information for people to see
[21:47] <peter__> lsusb shows only the root hubs
[21:48] <peter__> What can I do to make this stuff working properly?
[21:48] <SamwiseGamgee> It's too late, anyway, I can't find his instructions for pastebein
[21:48] <ikonia> "grep '^deb' /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | pastebinit"
[21:48] <ikonia> there you go
[21:48] <peter__> Sometimes after boot everything is working fine, I can't say what's wrong.
[21:48] <TJ-> ikonia: you missed out the space after 'deb' :)
[21:49] <TJ-> ikonia: without the space it'll report "deb-src" lines... I was filtering those out
[21:49] <ikonia> TJ-: there is s space there
[21:49] <TJ-> ikonia: in the grep expression, as in "grep '^deb ' /etc/..."
[21:49] <ikonia> ahhh
[21:50] <ikonia> sorry, must have missed it in the copy paste
[21:50] <ikonia> I just copied your line earlier
[21:50] <TJ-> ikonia: that's weird, I'm sure I typed the space !
[21:51] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: '^deb ' /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | pastebinit"
[21:51] <ikonia> there you go, all corrected
[21:51] <TJ-> peter__: I can't find any mention of an NT10 model ... strange. The ports are USB3?
[21:51] <ikonia> oh come on
[21:51] <ikonia> buffer fail
[21:51] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: "grep '^deb ' /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | pastebinit"
[21:51] <ikonia> there you go,
[21:51] <ikonia> sorry about that
[21:52] <peter__> TJ-: NB10t, sorry for typo
[21:52] <TJ-> peter__: ahhh!
[21:52] <peter__> TJ-: 2 * usb 2.0 and 1 * 3.0, nothing works counting in the internal ones for bluetooth and touchscreen
[21:52] <SamwiseGamgee> I ghink I got it
[21:53] <TJ-> peter__: Can you pastebin the entire dmesg?
[21:53] <peter__> I don't kknow why (usb has no power) but keyboard and touchpad works ok
[21:53] <SamwiseGamgee> yes
[21:53] <peter__> TJ-: ok, sec
[21:53] <SamwiseGamgee> I changed my username and computer name
[21:53] <SamwiseGamgee> so it's safe to paste it
[21:53] <ikonia> it is safe to paste anyway
[21:53] <nAn00k> n00buntu
[21:54] <peter__> TJ-: here's it: http://pastebin.com/2f7zEEhS
[21:55] <TJ-> peter__: looking
[21:57] <gimmic> okay
[21:57] <gimmic> I've been fighting this issue for two days now
[21:57] <SamwiseGamgee> TJ, I got it
[21:57] <SamwiseGamgee> http://pastebin.com/UyaT5MsQ
[21:57] <gimmic> new LTS box installs with 3.13.0-30 kernel, due to code I need to load 3.13.0-29
[21:58] <gimmic> I install linux-image and linux-kernel of those, update-grub etc
[21:58] <gimmic> reboot, can't find root partition in that kernel
[21:58] <ikonia> gimmic: that isn't the stock kernel
[21:58] <ikonia> !info linux-image
[21:58] <ikonia> !info kernel-image
[21:58] <TJ-> peter__: Can you show me "lspci -nnvk | pastebinit" ?
[21:58] <ikonia> !info linux-kernel
[21:58] <ikonia> never mind
[21:59] <gimmic> what isn't the stock kernel?
[21:59] <SamwiseGamgee> TJ, ikonia, did you look at my posted pastebin text to help with my unsupported updates?
[21:59] <SamwiseGamgee> http://pastebin.com/UyaT5MsQ
[21:59] <SamwiseGamgee> TJ, there it is again
[21:59] <ikonia> !info linux-image-generic
[22:00] <ikonia> there we go, <IP_ADDRESS>.36 is stock
[22:00] <peter__> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7805878/
[22:00] <ikonia> and current
[22:00] <ben_g> I'm looking for a way to reset my bluetooth adapter (internal adapter of a laptop, ububtu 14.04 LTS)
[22:00] <SamwiseGamgee> Did any experts here see my paste?
[22:00] <gimmic> hmm
[22:00] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: what's the actual problem ?
[22:01] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: your paste looks fine, standard ubuntu repos
[22:01] <SamwiseGamgee> Unsupported updates
[22:01] <peter__> By the way I've just discovered pastebininit - terrific tool, no more copying 'n pasting :-)
[22:01] <ikonia> why do you think they are unsupported ?
[22:01] <gimmic> anyway, when I load the previous kernel it doesn't detect my lvm root partition anymore, and awesome busybox doesn't detect USB keyboard
[22:01] <SamwiseGamgee> My updater settings shows me the Unsupported updates box is checked
[22:01] <TJ-> peter__: OK, so 00:14.0 is the USB controller
[22:01] <awesomess3> lol I love it when /* renders as /* :)
[22:02] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: can you take a screen shot of what you mean ?
[22:02] <ben_g> Is there a way to disconnect and reconnect an internal bluetooth adapter trough software?
[22:02] <SamwiseGamgee> yes
[22:02] <peter__> TJ-: sure, I can see it, but I have no idea what am I supposed to do ;x
[22:03] <SamwiseGamgee> But how do I open the updater?
[22:03] <ObrienDave> look for software and sources
[22:03] <peter__> I googled already for this kernel controler, xhci_hcd, but I can't fix this crap
[22:04] <SamwiseGamgee> It looks like the only way to open the updater is to wait for it to update automatically
[22:04] <TJ-> peter__: I would have expected to see more than the one USB controller. I *suspect* the problem is that there are 3 missing PCI bridge windows. I suggest you try adding "pci=use_crs" to the kernel command line, by editing "/etc/default/grub" and modifying it to "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="pci=realloc,use_crs"  ", save, then do "sudo update-grub", and try a reboot
[22:05] <Symphonym> I have two left-over screens and was wondering if it's possible for me to connect them to my laptop using something like "DualHead2Go"? As far as I know my graphics card supports it, not sure about Ubuntu though, or "DualHead2Go" working with linux.
[22:05] <nodejs-bot> Nodejs IRC bot test
[22:05] <SamwiseGamgee> I will have to wait for the updater to openn automatically, there is no other way to open the updater
[22:05] <nodejs-bot> Nodejs IRC bot test
[22:05] <TJ-> ben_g: It depends how the BT adapter is connected. Sometimes its via an internal USB port. On some systems it is possible to power-cycle a single port, but it is very hit and miss
[22:05] <SamwiseGamgee> I had no idea this was such a challenging and complicated problem.  I tought it was a simple problem that could be resolved in a minute
[22:05] <nodejs-bot> Nodejs IRC bot test
[22:06] <ikonia> nodejs-bot: please /part
[22:06] <nodejs-bot> Nodejs IRC bot test
[22:06] <peter__> TJ-: ok, I'll try it. If ubuntu will not boot so I can chat here how to remove these parameters and go back with previous?
[22:06] <ben_g> Is there an other way to fully reset the bluetooth adapter then?
[22:06] <SamwiseGamgee> The updater on Xubuntu is difficult to access, in fact, probably impossible
[22:07] <kostkon> ben_g, sudo hciconfig hci0 reset   assuming hci0 is your adapter.  You can list the available bluetooth devices with:  hcitool dev
[22:08] <arpad2> hi, any idea how to connect hp wi fi printer? I'm getting this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/7805860/ ?
[22:08] <ben_g> How do I know if it was reset? The command gives me no output
[22:09] <TJ-> peter__: You could try these out manually, too. Instead of the modification I gave you, reboot the PC, hold down Shift key to get to the GRUB boot menu, Press 'e' to edit the Ubuntu entry, navigate to the line beginning "linux ...." and add them to the end of that line, then Ctrl+X to eXecute that and boot
[22:09] <TJ-> ben_g: It may be possible to reset it by unloading/reloading the driver
[22:10] <kostkon> ben_g, you could check in your syslog or kern.log, use the System Log app for that or from the terminal with e.g.  gedit /var/log/syslog  or nano /var/log/syslog
[22:10] <itmustbejj> Can anyone recommend a grep or awk solution to pipe onto a tail call to highlight matches without filtering the results?
[22:11] <ikonia> itmustbejj: I have no idea what you've just asked, but it sounds like #bash would be your best bet
[22:11] <TJ-> itmustbejj: Can you explain a bit more?
[22:11] <kostkon> ben_g, it should say that your adapter was reset / bluetooth was reloaded or something along those lines
[22:11] <itmustbejj> tail -f /var/log/log.log | <something grep/awk fu to highlight "sample text"
[22:11] <ben_g> Ok, it seems to have been reset
[22:11] <awesomess3> cat whatever.txt | grep --color=always highlightThisYo | less _R
[22:11] <itmustbejj> like If I do tail -f log.log | grep "sample text" sample text matches are highlighted but it also filters for those rows
[22:12] <itmustbejj> awesomess3: thanks :)
[22:12] <ben_g> It still doesn't seem to work, unfortunately :(
[22:12] <awesomess3> itmustbejj, less -R    ***
[22:12] <awesomess3> itmustbejj,  grep --color=always highlightThisYo whatever.txt | less -R
[22:14] <peter__> Hi again
[22:14] <peter__> TJ-: last dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/7805927/
[22:14] <peter__> and last lspci -nnvk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7805931/
[22:15] <ben_g> So I already made sure there are no hard/soft blocks, installed the driver packages, and tried resetting the adapter. What else can cause bluetooth to not work?
[22:15] <SamwiseGamgee> Imagebin was reported as an attack page....http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[22:15] <TJ-> itmustbejj: You mean like this? "tail -n 1000 -f ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs/Freenode-#ubuntu.log | grep -C 999 itmustbejj " ?
[22:15] <TJ-> peter__: looking, thanks
[22:16] <peter__> TJ-: thx for your time :-)
[22:16] <TJ-> peter__: Can you show me "lspci -nnvk | pastebinit" again?
[22:16] <SamwiseGamgee> My xubuntu blocked imagebin as an attack page.......http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[22:16] <peter__> The last link i post is done after reboot
[22:16] <peter__> I posted*
[22:17] <kostkon> SamwiseGamgee, yeah, just use imgur.com
[22:17] <peter__> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7805943/
[22:19] <TJ-> peter__: thanks. The issue seems to be a kernel panic caused by the xhci controller "WARNING: CPU: 0 PID: 29 at /build/buildd/linux-3.13.0/drivers/usb/host/xhci-ring.c:1572 handle_cmd_completion+0xe2a/0xe40()" - see line ~805
[22:19] <SamwiseGamgee> Wow, xubuntu sucks.  I will have to deal with this complicated mess of a problem later, when I have time.  My screenshots also showed my full name. this is a wild goose chase that will never end.
[22:19] <brontosaurusrex> itmustbejj, how about: grep --color -E "test|$" yourfile.txt
[22:19] <brontosaurusrex> ( http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/366/convince-grep-to-output-all-lines-not-just-those-with-matches )
[22:19] <peter__> TJ-: any other controller I can use? Is there a option such update or rollback?
[22:19] <awesomess3> SamwiseGamgee, what browser were you using?
[22:20] <SamwiseGamgee> Firefox
[22:20] <TJ-> peter__: Has this worked with other kernels?
[22:21] <awesomess3> SamwiseGamgee, yeah even Google blocks it as a website that can harm your computer.
[22:21] <peter__> TJ-: on debian usb was ok, but I haven't check the controller name
[22:21] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm so suck of xubuntu now.  I'm almost willing to shell out 200 dollars to get Windows 7, or however much it costs.  Probably costs more than my car
[22:21] <awesomess3> xD
[22:21] <miko> I have a DN2800MT, graphic support is tricky. But I don't need graphics, I just want to boot in console  mode.
[22:21] <peter__> TJ-: and, as I typed: sometimes after boot everything works properly. Not offen, sadly.
[22:21] <kasiisomi> klklnj;l j
[22:22] <TJ-> peter__: It looks as if it could be a kernel bug, for sure. I'd recommend trying an Ubuntu-built latest mainline kernel
[22:22] <kasiisomi> kgnip;
[22:22] <miko> That however does not work. I added nosetmode and vga=769
[22:22] <SamwiseGamgee> but at least with Windows I don't have to spend my weekends trying to fix bugs that keep coming back
[22:22] <awesomess3> SamwiseGamgee, what is the updater on xubuntu? I'm using Xubuntu 14.04
[22:22] <TJ-> peter__: If you want to try that, read here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[22:22] <peter__> TJ-: thx, I will
[22:22] <SamwiseGamgee> It's called Updater, I think
[22:22] <awesomess3> SamwiseGamgee, wait I need to scroll up more...
[22:22] <miko> but after a very fast and short console scrolling ubuntu goes into another graphics mode, crashing the mashine
[22:22] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: if you focus on resolving any questions you have with people that can help you rather than complaining - you'll get a resolution
[22:23] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: if you're not happy with that, I suggest you use an operating system your more comfortable with, as you suggest such as windows
[22:23] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, I treied that several times
[22:23] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: where is the screen shot I asked for ?
[22:24] <SamwiseGamgee> I need to register to another website that is safer for screenshots
[22:24] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: right - so instead of complaining - do that
[22:24] <brontosaurusrex> SamwiseGamgee, you would actuall switch an OS to overcome a screenshot problem?
[22:25] <awesomess3> SamwiseGamgee, "I have 'Unsupported Updates (Trusty-backports' checked on my Software and Updates Setttings" well...if that doesn't add the repository then we have a bug to submit for the Xubuntu updater app or whatever.
[22:25] <SamwiseGamgee> the problems never end, hours every week of wasted time
[22:25] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: stop complaining
[22:25] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: get the information you are asked for
[22:25] <edition> how can i setup a Samba share, quickly?
[22:25] <TJ-> SamwiseGamgee: The software updater is in package update-manager. The executable is, I think, "/usr/bin/update-manager"
[22:26] <awesomess3> I think Samwise is amusing :D
[22:26] <miko> It says vga=771 is deprecated. But what should i use instead?
[22:26] <awesomess3> maybe we should all quit computers, that'll solve it
[22:27] <ikonia> awesomess3: you're not helping
[22:28] <awesomess3> Samwise left! nnooooooooo
[22:28] <ikonia> awesomess3: stop
[22:28] <TJ-> Jul 16 22:19:27 <SamwiseGamgee> I noticed my Software and Updates checked Unsupported Updates, is this a problem?
[22:28] <TJ-> Jul 16 22:26:02 <TJ->   SamwiseGamgee: No, it isn't a problem. It's 'fancy' language for saying that the $RELEASE-backports component is enabled
[22:28] <ikonia> TJ-: which is backed up by his paste
[22:29] <TJ-> ikonia: So, I'm not sure what the problem was!
[22:29] <ikonia> TJ-: this is why I wanted the screen shot to just verify
[22:29] <awesomess3> so all he needed to do was `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install update-manager` ?
[22:29] <ikonia> awesomess3: no
[22:29] <TJ-> ikonia: I suspect the user thought because updates were enabled, newer packages ought to be installed?
[22:29] <ikonia> there was no real problem
[22:29] <ikonia> TJ-: possibly
[22:30] <ikonia> TJ-: again just needed the screen shot to veirfy what he thought he saw was / was not really a proble
[22:30] <ikonia> problem
[22:30] <ikonia> due to his wording/description being poor
[22:30] <TJ-> awesomess3: "update-manager" is a core component
[22:31] <OerHeks> miko, out of my head  vga=792
[22:31] <awesomess3> so I don't get it, doesn't making backports available produce more packages to be downloadable via synaptic/update-manager/apt-get?
[22:31] <TJ-> ikonia: I read the question as being worried over the words "Unsupported Updates", and the other statements about pastebin insecurity tend to back that up
[22:31] <ikonia> awesomess3: yes it does
[22:31] <ikonia> TJ-: yes, that's as I read it also
[22:32] <OerHeks> miko https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootText
[22:32] <TJ-> awesomess3: -backports simply means if there's a newer package in Utopic, *and* a major problem in the same package in Trusty, the Utopic package will be made available (with suitable patches if necessary) to Trusty
[22:32] <apeoid> I downloaded this pre-release software.  it's a folder with 4 folders inside, bin, help, lib, and license
[22:32] <apeoid> and in lib everything is in .jar
[22:32] <apeoid> what am I supposed to do
[22:33] <ikonia> apeoid: they are java apps
[22:33] <awesomess3> TJ-, what is Utopic?
[22:33] <apeoid> oooh
[22:33] <ikonia> apeoid: however if you don't know how to use them, I advise you not to use them
[22:33] <apeoid> ok
[22:33] <miko> OerHeks, than it simply says "vga=792 is depreciated"
[22:34] <miko> It does work for a second, though
[22:34] <TJ-> awesomess3: The next version of Ubuntu ... 14.10
[22:34] <miko> but then something in the ubuntu boot process switches graphic modes
[22:34] <awesomess3> TJ-, ooooooooohhh
[22:34] <miko> I can't read the messages, because they scroll too fast
[22:34] <miko> I think the last one starts with "[drm.........."
[22:35] <miko> after that the screen goes blank and the machine crashes
[22:35] <miko> oh, and adding nofb as kernel parameter changes nothing
[22:36] <zenkeku> I am having a moderate issue with Ubuntu 14.04. This is a relatively new installation with very little customization. When I attempt to suspend Ubuntu, it suspends and then after a few seconds it wakes back up. This includes when I close the lid. I can provide system information at request.
[22:36] <TJ-> miko: Have you tried removing "splash" and replacing with "text" (you may or may not need "nomodeset" too) ? That prevents the GUI from being started
[22:36] <TJ-> zenkeku: Can you pastebin "/var/log/kern.log" ?
[22:37] <zenkeku> TJ-: One moment.
[22:39] <zenkeku> TJ-: The output is rather large. Would you like me to filter the results?
[22:40] <zenkeku> TJ-: There are 12k lines.
[22:41] <TJ-> zenkeku: I'd like to see everything since the last time the system booted ... look for the last incidence of "... 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset"
[22:43] <zenkeku> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7806064/
[22:44] <miko> Ok, I added "text" as parameter
[22:44] <miko> It didn't work.
[22:44] <miko> I made a video with horrible quality
[22:44] <miko> http://a.pomf.se/ptvzag.3gp
[22:45] <miko> I doubt one can read anything, but maybe it gives someone a idea
[22:47] <miko> Can i read the logs somewhere, after I made a hard-reset?
[22:47] <schultza> I just had a problem with an update... Is this link an official link, cause I have a 404 not found error. E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/miniupnpc/libminiupnpc8_1.6-3ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[22:48] <OerHeks> miko it says "gfxpayload=1024x768x8,1024x768"
[22:48] <OerHeks> * use gfxpayload ..
[22:48] <peter__> TJ-: My savior, my redeemer ;-)
[22:48] <TJ-> peter__: ?
[22:48] <TJ-> miko: OK, I could read that :)
[22:49] <peter__> TJ-: I'm running 3.16.0-031600rc5-generic #201407131735 and everything works fine
[22:49] <TJ-> miko: I think the issue is that GRUB - the boot-loader - is in graphical mode and leaves the system in that mode.
[22:49] <TJ-> peter__: Yay :)
[22:49] <schultza> works when i manually go get it... something wrong with apt-get?
[22:49] <schultza> nvmd.. its working now
[22:49] <schultza> sheesh
[22:49] <zenkeku> TJ-: I need to run to school. I'll be back online in 30 minutes. I'll do some reading in that time and let you know my results. I would be very pleased to have this issue resolved. Thanks for the help.
[22:49] <peter__> TJ-: Thanks you one more time for your time and interesting
[22:49] <peter__> interest*
[22:50] <peter__> concern? Anyhow, thx :)
[22:50] <TJ-> miko: So, what you should try is to edit "/etc/default/grub" and modify "#GRUB_TERMINAL=console" to remove the leading comment "#" character so it reads "GRUB_TERMINAL=console", save, and then do "sudo update-grub" and try a reboot.
[22:51] <miko> TJ-, I think grub in console mode
[22:51] <miko> the gfxpayload does as i understand it set some mode
[22:51] <miko> but that's IMO not the problem
[22:52] <miko> the problem is some component in the boot process later overrides it and sets another mode
[22:52] <TJ-> miko: I've had that exact issue in the past, and stopping the boot-loader from selecting a graphical mode has allowed the OS to keep the console on display
[22:56] <miko> well, it does not work
[22:57] <miko> I think i will order a usb-com port adapert so i can see the console over serial port on another pc.
[22:58] <miko> or is there a way to intentionally slowing down the boot process to make messages readable?
[22:58] <TJ-> miko: Hmm, does the PC have network?
[22:58] <TJ-> miko: If it has openssh-server installed, you can SSH to it
[22:59] <miko> TJ-, no because i don't have the network configured yet
[22:59] <TJ-> miko: chicken-and-egg!
[22:59] <miko> yes, wonderfull
[22:59] <TJ-> miko: OK, what happens if you start the system in Recovery mode?
[23:00] <TJ-> miko: From the GRUB Advanced sub-menu
[23:00] <kh3laghar-bracuc> Hello
[23:00] <miko> Well, that was recovery mode
[23:01] <TJ-> miko: You know when you see the kernel messages scrolling and they disappear? That is when the kernel does modesetting. If the kernel command-line has "nomodeset" on it, that shouldn't happen.
[23:01] <koell> Why does sudo apt-get update ignore some of the sources listed here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7806134/
[23:01] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm so frustrated. I'm out with my 14.04 laptop, and I can't connect to my vpn. no errors, I just can't find a way. I'm in xfce because my unity panel and launcher don't start. the network app in kde doesn't respond to any kind of clicking. there is no way in xfce to connect to a vpn (nothing in wicd, and nm-applet starts but doesn't show on screen). Any suggestions?\
[23:02] <TJ-> miko: It wasn't, unless you edited it. Recovery mode has the keyword "single" to put the system into runlevel 1 (single-user)
[23:02] <ikonia> Seven_Six_Two: sounds like you have a bad setup with 3 desktop enviornments installed
[23:03] <Seven_Six_Two> ikonia, care to define "bad setup"? 3 desktop environments doesn't make anything bad.
[23:03] <ObrienDave> Seven_Six_Two, i can connect to VPNbook in XFCE
[23:03] <miko> TJ-: Oh, seems i edited it out.
[23:03] <ikonia> Seven_Six_Two: it can certainly cause problems
[23:03] <miko> It does not work with single either
[23:03] <miko> it does not work with linuxrc=/bin/sh, too
[23:03] <miko> And, as you can see, there is a nomodeset in the parameters
[23:03] <Seven_Six_Two> ObrienDave, vpnbook? is that a subscription service? vpn server?
[23:04] <TJ-> miko: That is incorrect, to override the init you use "init=" e.g. "init=/bin/bash"
[23:04] <ObrienDave> free VPN service
[23:04] <Seven_Six_Two> ObrienDave, how do you do it?
[23:04] <ObrienDave> http://www.vpnbook.com/
[23:04] <TJ-> koell: The "InRelease" file is an alternative where the GPG signature is included. Ubuntu uses detached signature files so fetches the "Release" and "Release.gpg"
[23:04] <Seven_Six_Two> ObrienDave, I have a vpn set up that I've connected to, but all I can see is "network settings" which lists vpn, but doesn't give way to connect.
[23:05] <koell> TJ-: so there is nothing to worry about? is it the default "behaviour"?
[23:05] <TJ-> koell: nothing to worry about :)
[23:05] <miko> TJ-,  oh i thought that linuxrc was one stage earlier
[23:05] <TJ-> koell for more in-depth read https://wiki.debian.org/RepositoryFormat
[23:06] <miko> well, that doesn't work either.
[23:06] <koell> TJ-: does it look the same on your computer?
[23:07] <TJ-> miko: the boot sequence is BIOS/Firmware -> boot-loader (MBR/bootx64.efi) -> (core.img) -> /boot/grub/* -> /boot/vmlinux-$VERSION + /boot/initrd.img-$VERSION -> rootfs -> "/sbin/init"
[23:07] <TJ-> koell: It does
[23:07] <Seven_Six_Two> ObrienDave, what button do you click on? Can you show me a screenshot or something?
[23:07] <ObrienDave> let me look
[23:08] <miko> I thought that linuxrc was the "init" of the initrd
[23:08] <ObrienDave> VPNbook instructions are on the website
[23:08] <miko> I played around with that quite a bit,
[23:08] <miko> but that was 10 years ago
[23:09] <miko> *5
[23:09] <joakime> was there a sloppy-focus mouse change in 14.04's gnome-shell recently?
[23:09] <Seven_Six_Two> ObrienDave, I don't need instructions for the vpn service. I have a vpn service that I don't know how to connect to in xfce. I can't find a "connect to VPN" button.
[23:10] <TJ-> miko: In Debian/Ubuntu the initrd.img contains "/init" a shell script that does the early set-up before pivoting into the real read/write file-system and starting PID=1 (/sbin/init) which is from Upstart
[23:10] <Seven_Six_Two> I already have the certs set up in "network settings", so if I can just find the "enable" or "connect", I'll be golden.
[23:11] <koell> TJ-: thanks :)
[23:13] <ObrienDave> working on screenshot
[23:14] <TJ-> Seven_Six_Two: If the VPN is a separately configured connection, isn't there just a Connect option (maybe from a right-click context menu) ?
[23:14] <Seven_Six_Two> TJ-, no
[23:15] <Seven_Six_Two> TJ-, do you have a program in your menu called "network connections"? You can check it out.
[23:16] <TJ-> Seven_Six_Two: This "my unity panel and launcher don't start. the network app in kde doesn't respond to any kind of clicking" suggests there is corruption of the installed packages
[23:16] <Jeeves_Moss> how do I add subinterfaces to an Ubuntu server?
[23:16] <Seven_Six_Two> TJ-, which packages? And what leads you to that conclusion?
[23:17] <TJ-> Seven_Six_Two: I run several VPNs both from command-line and via a GUI applet, the backend being Network-Manager
[23:18] <Seven_Six_Two> TJ-, yes, I try to start nm-applet, which is how I would usually connect. But without a unity panel, I can't get at nm-applet. in xfce I don't see it either.
[23:18] <miko> Thanks everybody.
[23:18] <TJ-> Seven_Six_Two: For you to be experiencing random interface issues like that I'd start by running a memtest86+ at boot-time to check the RAM is OK, and then I'd probably do a "sudo apt-get --reinstall install ..." for many of the system's key packages
[23:19] <TJ-> Seven_Six_Two: From a terminal you can manage connections using "nmcli" ... try "nmcli con list"
[23:19] <Seven_Six_Two> TJ-, I could try that, but it's not random. it's every time.
[23:19] <Seven_Six_Two> I've never used nmcli, I'll check it out.
[23:19] <Seven_Six_Two> ObrienDave, any screenshots?
[23:20] <ObrienDave> http://i.imgur.com/7NWgr2M.png
[23:20] <ObrienDave> this is under Xubuntu
[23:23] <Seven_Six_Two> FYI my unity issue was a nvidia driver issue (just finished switching to 173 driver and reboot). now I can get vpn. thanks for everyone's time.
[23:24] <alarum> is it just me or is Unity more trouble than it's worth?
[23:25] <schultza> Fall: right now... i think it is. I'm im-/patiantly waiting for them to fix something in Unity.
[23:26] <ObrienDave> Unity is the reason i moved to Xubuntu
[23:26] <Fall> Xubuntu rocks
[23:27] <Seven_Six_Two> I like unity. I just wish nvidia would keep up.
[23:27] <TJ-> I had to switch to KDE, Unity can't cope with multi-monitors
[23:27] <schultza> Does it have a icon only taskbar (in configs if necessary) or do you still need to install a docky-like program still?
[23:27] <data> unity & flash drain my laptop battery in less than 30% of the normal time...
[23:27] <data> and don't get me started on the multimonitor thing ;)
[23:27] <Seven_Six_Two> TJ-, I use it with 2x22" monitors. It works well.
[23:28] <data> Seven_Six_Two: sometimes, and if they have the same resolution.
[23:28] <Seven_Six_Two> data, oh? I do have the exact same res...
[23:28] <TJ-> Seven_Six_Two: Try with 6 >HD1080 monitors
[23:28] <data> TJ-: I think anything over two?
[23:28] <data> but for me it's more the issue of high cpu usage
[23:29] <TJ-> My setup has 3 GPUs and 6 1920x1200 monitors... Unity just fails big-time for that
[23:29] <joakime> i use two 39" 1080 monitors and i agree with TJ-
[23:29] <data> and this is running on a haswell
[23:30] <Nickd55345353> hello
[23:30] <Nickd55345353> plz can someone help?
[23:31] <edition> with what?
[23:31] <jayis> can I get some resources for finding wireless dongles or adapters for 14.04?
[23:31] <Nickd55345353> how to install python
[23:31] <mgodzilla> xrpd from lubuntu 14.04 to windows 8 client.  get the gray screen everyone talk about.  this ain't workin':  http://ozkaya84.wordpress.com/2013/03/30/remote-desktop-to-linux-servers/
[23:31] <mgodzilla> any other thought or suggestions?
[23:31] <Nickd55345353> i downloaded the .xz file
[23:31] <ikonia> Nickd55345353: it's already installed
[23:31] <ikonia> Nickd55345353: python is a core part of ubuntu
[23:31] <pixelfairy> Nickd55345353: its already installed
[23:31] <ikonia> Nickd55345353: you don't need the tar file
[23:32] <Nickd55345353> i need the command line
[23:32] <Nickd55345353> so i ccan write
[23:32] <Nickd55345353> can*
[23:32] <pixelfairy> thats already installed too
[23:32] <ikonia> Nickd55345353: you already have the command line
[23:32] <jayis> type python
[23:32] <ikonia> Nickd55345353: open a terminal
[23:32] <edition> I suggest you read more documentation.
[23:32] <edition> Consult your manual pages from the terminal.
[23:32] <pixelfairy> Nickd55345353: the app is called Terminal
[23:32] <Nickd55345353> i know
[23:32] <edition> yes, but it can vary depending on your desktop
[23:32] <edition> ie: gnome-terminal
[23:32] <pixelfairy> just type python and youll be at the python prompt
[23:33] <Nickd55345353> i saw that
[23:33] <Nickd55345353> 2.7.6
[23:33] <Nickd55345353> ty
[23:33] <basiclaser> hello
[23:33] <pixelfairy> hi
[23:33] <jayis> ...so any wireless adapter recommendations?
[23:33] <ikonia> jayis: anything by intel
[23:33] <pixelfairy> jayis: what country?
[23:33] <jayis> united states
[23:33] <koell> Is there a fast way to edit a file on my local network without a lag?
[23:33] <pixelfairy> anything intel will work
[23:33] <ikonia> nothing else
[23:33] <jayis> ikonia: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106135
[23:33] <ikonia> koell: you should not have any lag
[23:34] <pixelfairy> otherwise just order from amazon or newegg. they take stuff back
[23:34] <koell> ikonia: even on wireless?
[23:34] <jayis> ikonia: why is intel the only option?
[23:34] <ikonia> koell: correct
[23:34] <ikonia> jayis: because they have solid support in linux
[23:34] <pixelfairy> not the only, but the best
[23:34] <jayis> okay cool
[23:34] <basiclaser> can i upgrade from 32bit ubuntu 14.04 to 64bit ubuntu 14.04 whilst leaving my filesystem and its content intact? i dont want to have to reinstall all my softwarez :)
[23:34] <pixelfairy> anything is a guessing game
[23:34] <koell> ikonia: but it is still slower than editing the file on the machine itself =(
[23:34] <ikonia> koell: then fix your network
[23:35] <ikonia> basiclaser: no
[23:35] <TJ-> jayis: Does this help? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[23:35] <pixelfairy> what command runs when you login that give you the motd and tell you if any packages need to be updated?
[23:35] <TJ-> pixelfairy: pam_motd
[23:36] <basiclaser> ikonia: does upgrading remove software then?
[23:36] <jayis> TJ-: it probably does, thank you :)
[23:36] <ikonia> basiclaser: you can't upgrade to 64bit
[23:36] <pixelfairy> TJ-: is there a way to run that again as a user?
[23:36] <TJ-> pixelfairy: see "man update-motd"
[23:36] <pixelfairy> im using pxssh and would rather not revert to pexpect
[23:38] <pixelfairy> TJ-: ty exactly what i wanted
[23:38] <basiclaser> ikonia: why not?
[23:38] <ikonia> basiclaser: because it's basically replacing the whole system
[23:38] <kgr> hello
[23:38] <ikonia> basiclaser: you need to do a clean install
[23:38] <basiclaser> arg.. ok.. so backup stuffs and start again :) gotcha
[23:39] <TJ-> basiclaser: It is possible to use 64-bit kernels with the existing 32-bit userspace, and if you want a 64-bit userspace create it in a chroot
[23:39] <kgr> how to set compiz as default on xubuntu please
[23:39] <kgr> ???
[23:39] <friendlyfascism> kgr, Why would you?
[23:41] <basiclaser> TJ-: thanks, i only wanted to run a single 64 bit program, is it more complicated than just reinstalling though?
[23:41] <Foxhoundz> Ubuntu. I need help.
[23:42] <ObrienDave> !ask | Foxhoundz
[23:42] <Foxhoundz> How do I configure my WiFi to auto-connect at startup
[23:42] <Foxhoundz> BEFORE login
[23:42] <Foxhoundz> so I can get internet access when I ssh into my headless server
[23:42] <Foxhoundz> !ask | ObrienDave
[23:42] <Foxhoundz> oh
[23:42] <Foxhoundz> one line. I didn't bother to read that part. Sorry about that.
[23:43] <TJ-> basiclaser: about the same I think
[23:43] <Foxhoundz> Anyway, my question is as stated. I'm trying to configure my WiFi to auto connect at boot/hibernation
[23:43] <ObrienDave> no biggie, i was too quick on the !ask :)
[23:43] <pixelfairy> Foxhoundz: man interfaces
[23:43] <pixelfairy> you can set it all in there
[23:43] <ikonia> how is "interfaces" going to tell him how to use the desktop network manager apps
[23:44] <Foxhoundz> Remember, this isn't for GUI use. I primiarly use Ubuntu for HTTP server and Weecha
[23:44] <Foxhoundz> weechat*, so I need it to connect 24/7 and not hiberate on me
[23:44] <pixelfairy> http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-add-wireless-lan-adaptor-static-ip-ubuntu-auto-connects-startup
[23:45] <Foxhoundz> now, will this disable the network-manager GUI from working?
[23:45] <Loshki> Foxhoundz: I thought you meant there was a Ouija app...
[23:46] <Foxhoundz> Loshki: wrong guy.
[23:46] <Foxhoundz> Try tabbing twice.
[23:46] <pixelfairy> Foxhoundz: it will make network manager skip your wifi interface
[23:46] <Foxhoundz> oh
[23:46] <Foxhoundz> I see
[23:46] <Foxhoundz> this is reversible, I presume?
[23:46] <TJ-> Foxhoundz: If it is using NetworkManager, you can configure a connection with "autoconnect" to have it brought up as soon as networking is available.
[23:46] <Foxhoundz> Because I DO sometimes connect my TV to this headless server to use XBMC
[23:46] <Foxhoundz> TJ-: I noticed network manager only connects when I first login through the GUI
[23:46] <pixelfairy> Foxhoundz: if you can get a gui on it, setting it up in network manager as static is easier
[23:47] <TJ-> Foxhoundz: "man 5 nm-settings" and see "Table 8. connection setting"
[23:47] <Valsimot> Hello everyone, new ubuntu user here... I made a dual boot with Windows 7, or so I thought. After the restart, grub didn't give me the option to choose the OS anymore. Here's what boot-repair gave me http://paste.ubuntu.com/7806268/ It looks like everything's still there, but I'm not sure if I should simply hit "recommended repair"
[23:47] <TJ-> Foxhoundz: Network Manager is a service running as soon as the network interfaces start
[23:48] <TJ-> Foxhoundz: Usually the system connections aren't activated unless commanded, which on GUI/Desktop systems occurs when user's log-in
[23:48] <Foxhoundz> TJ-: I see. how can I have this happen before logon
[23:48] <Nickd55345353> is blender good?
[23:48] <Foxhoundz> at the earliest possible time
[23:48] <pixelfairy> probably easier to just use interfaces
[23:48] <kostkon> Foxhoundz, make the connection available to all users in network manager's settings for that connection
[23:48] <pixelfairy> Nickd55345353: blender is awsome if you get over the UI hump, which just takes a little while
[23:48] <TJ-> Foxhoundz: But you can edit the connection info (in "/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/") adding any valid settings, including "autoconnect"
[23:49] <Foxhoundz> I see
[23:49] <pixelfairy> Nickd55345353: theres a #blender channel they're very friendly
[23:49] <Nickd55345353> they  told me that it is best in its category
[23:49] <Nickd55345353> so i wanted to know if its safe
[23:49] <Nickd55345353> and good
[23:49] <pixelfairy> Its the best at blending different media types together
[23:49] <pixelfairy> and creating most of them
[23:50] <pixelfairy> its totally worth the time to learn it
[23:50] <pixelfairy> and if you really need to branch off to maya or nuke, those will be easier to learn after blender anyway
[23:51] <Vyse007> Guys, if I update my 13.10 system regularly, do I still need to 'upgrade' to 14.04? The updates update the kernel as well, right? So does upgrading offer any advantages over simply updating?
[23:52] <ikonia> yes
[23:52] <ikonia> 13.10 is EOL so there are no more updates for it
[23:53] <Vyse007> So for example, whenever my current version reaches its EOL, its repository will no longer contain updates for the installed software?
[23:54] <ikonia> correct
[23:54] <ikonia> the repo will not change at all any more
[23:54] <ikonia> and the repo will be taken down totally at some point
[23:55] <OerHeks> Support 13.10 ended on July 17th, 2014 ... today
[23:55] <linuxlite> hello
[23:56] <bigcat> hello
[23:56] <Vyse007> But if all software is updated at the time of the repo being taken down, can't one simply switch to the repos for the newer version? After all, all software, including the kernel itself, would be same as that of the newer base system at that point..
[23:56] <ikonia> Vyse007: no
[23:56] <bigcat> is this a channel for noobs and pros alike?
[23:56] <ikonia> bigcat: any ubuntu help you need
[23:56] <OerHeks> Vyse007, why not 'simply' upgrade ?
[23:56] <kostkon> Vyse007, upgrade to 14.04 and you'll get 5 years of support. support for 13.10 was for a mere 9 months
[23:57] <Vyse007> I have upgraded, I just can't wrap my head around this concept.
[23:57] <ikonia> Vyse007: what version of ubuntu are you currently running ?
[23:57] <linuxlite> i have a questio
[23:57] <bigcat> ikonia, awesome
[23:58] <Vyse007> I don't even use Ubuntu at my personal computer, I use Arch. But all the computers in my lab just upgraded to 14.04. I was simply wondering why this necessity arises.
[23:58] <linuxlite> i have 12.04 what happens when i update?does it becomes  version 13?
[23:58] <ikonia> Vyse007: that's why then
[23:58] <ikonia> Vyse007: once the distro is EOL, the repo is dead
[23:58] <ikonia> linuxlite: it will update to 14.04
[23:59] <basiclaser> TJ-: sorry to be a bother.. could you forward me anything related to setting up a 64bit environment within a 32bit install? I couldnt seem to find anything
[23:59] <ikonia> linuxlite: when 14.04.1 is released, your 12.04 box will offer you an upgrade to 14.04.1
[23:59] <OerHeks> basiclaser, there is no such thing
[23:59] <TJ-> Vyse007: Each 6-month release of Ubuntu is effectively frozen in terms of the archives packages major-versions. Minor version updates are done to fix bugs and security issues. When development on a new release begins, newer upstream packages are generally imported and Debian/Ubuntu specific patches applied. After the Feature-Freeze point (a month or so before release) no new features (upstream major versions) can be added, only bug-fixing
[23:59] <MonkeyDust> Vyse007  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4653463/ubuntu_release_schedule.jpg
[23:59] <linuxlite> thanks for clearing this up for me


[08:25] <santa_> good morning everyone
[08:25] <santa_> RikMills: http://tritemio-groomlake.duckdns.org/ka-iron-hand_reports/plasma_archive/5.23.0_jammy_proposed_migration.pdf
[08:26] <santa_> on my front, I will be migrating my servers to jammy + at some point prepare KA for jammy
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:46] <RikMills> santa_: ack, and thanks


[00:49] <gebbione> i added my vars in .profile and bashrc both
[00:49] <gebbione> but when i exec evn
[00:49] <gebbione> env
[00:49] <gebbione> i dont see them
[00:50] <penguin42> the bashrc is only read when starting a new bash, so if you open a new terminal it should get that
[00:50] <penguin42> similarly, .profile is read when logging in
[01:07] <gebbione> i ended calling bash -
[01:08] <penguin42> just opening a new terminal window will do it
[07:24] <SuperMatt> morning all
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> .{,bash_}profile  are for "login shells", .bashrc is read only for non-login-shells
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> That's why, usually, you put your vars in ~/.bashrc, and end .profile with something like:
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> if [ -e ~/.bashrc ]; then source ~/.bashrc; fi
[10:15] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[13:51] <penguin42> why are all the map websites/programs useless and getting worth?
[13:53] <penguin42> worse even
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: it's Big Maps conspiring against us!
[13:55] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: They're winning
[13:56] <penguin42> So far Google Maps  (my places) new style just doesn't show a scale, Google Maps old style shows the scale but it doesn't get printed, Bing looks promising until you print when it doesn't show the push markers, marble doesn't have any places searchable
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> osm?
[13:57] <penguin42> got that open at the moment, looks rather basic
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> it is but it can export SVG
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> so you can inkscape it all you like
[13:58] <penguin42> yeh well I could do that with anything, but I was just nicely placing placemarks on the placemarks of where I've got to be and wanted something with a scale and those placemarks - Google maps and Bing were close but failed to be able to quite get there
[13:59] <penguin42> Open streetmap just doesn't seem to have any search for places/businesses
[14:01] <penguin42> I think this is a case of screenshotting google maps, gimping with it and then printing the screen grab
[19:10] <gebbione> hi folks any serious way to enable a better indexed search in ubuntu?
[19:21] <penguin42> how many toes is our salamander supposed to have?
[19:21] <mgdm> 17.2, unless the day has an R in it, in which case it obtains another 12
[19:22] <penguin42> hmm '
[19:22] <penguin42> according to wikipedia Salamanders have never more than 4 toes on their front legs and five on their rear legs'
[19:23] <penguin42> some of the graphics seem to have 5 on their front legs
[19:42] <mungbean_> http://lwn.net/Articles/564095/
[20:02] <gebbione> anyway i can pass the ssh private key password programmatically in something like a bash script?
[20:02] <gebbione> for instance ssh user@host -rsa_pass=iiiiiiiii
[20:22] <gebbione> yo
[22:03] <gordonjcp> gebbione: use ssh keys
[22:03] <gebbione> gordonjcp, ?
[22:04] <gordonjcp> 21:02 < gebbione> anyway i can pass the ssh private key password programmatically in something like a bash  script?
[22:04] <gebbione> i am already, not sure what is the solution in your sentence, the key is passprotected
[22:05] <gebbione> i needs a clean way to have the password passed to the command
[22:05] <gebbione> when executing without manual intervention
[22:08] <gordonjcp> generate a key without a passphrase
[22:08] <gordonjcp> or, better still, look into ssh-agent


[00:31] <JamesKostros> Hola, buenas noches
[00:54] <wxl> !es
[03:11] <Guest78286> podemos resolver nossas dúvidas por aqui?
[03:12] <wxl> !es | Guest78286
[03:12] <Guest78286> sorry
[03:12] <wxl> no, we're sorry :)
[03:12] <Guest78286> ok
[03:13] <Guest78286> so, there's no lubuntu channel in portuguese?
[03:13] <Guest78286> just in english?
[03:14] <lynorian> !pt
[03:14] <Guest78286> ok
[03:14] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList  (for list of available languages/locos)
[06:05] <tbs> Hello, im kinda new at linux, i see that lubuntu uses kde pack  manager. are all packs same when we open it on a kde desktopped distro?
[06:08] <tbs> im back
[06:10] <wxl> tbs: howdy
[06:11] <wxl> tbs: so i'm not sure i completely understand your question. first, we don't use the kde desktop, but there's a couple kde applications we use.
[06:13] <tbs> wxl: shortly, can i find all app that kubuntu kde app store has at lubuntu kde app store?
[06:13] <wxl> tbs: secondly, in regards to binary packages, no, they're not all the same. there are so-called universal packages, but this is a relatively new concept that is not without its flaws.
[06:14] <wxl> tbs: if you wish to install software on kubuntu or lubuntu, both use discover or muon (or, on the command line, apt/dpkg) and all of them use the same software sources (the ubuntu archive)
[06:17] <tbs> wxl: i think i saw steam and google earth at discover, but i can t find them now at lubuntu discover
[06:19] <wxl> tbs: again, they all come from the same source
[06:20] <wxl> here's the Debian packages related to steam https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=steam
[06:21] <tbs> wxl: may i ask u to check if u can see them at discover?
[06:21] <wxl> you WON'T find google earth. you can talk to google about THAT problem.
[06:22] <tbs> wxl: im sorry for making u angry, thanks for answers, have a nice day ^^
[06:22] <guiverc> tbs, you didn't make wxl angry
[06:23] <wxl> tbs: i concur. there's no ill feeling in any way.
[06:23] <wxl> (…except maybe toward google)
[06:25] <tbs> u showed me a page about steam  but i still dont see steam at discover app when i search it, what can  i do?
[06:26] <tbs> wxl:
[06:27] <wxl> here's a screenshot of steam in discover https://share.riseup.net/#-c9rS6hvbY55ht9H6scEaw
[06:28] <wxl> you might try closing discover and reopening it
[06:28] <wxl> you could also use muon
[06:29] <tbs> wxl: seems like ur my discover cant discover like urs :/
[06:30] <wxl> tbs: did you check the hashes of your ISO and also check the installation media for defects? if not, perhaps it's a faulty install.
[06:30] <tbs> wxl: i did
[06:31] <wxl> then it should just work. regardless, try muon instead. it will work.
[06:32] <tbs> wxl: there appaers a sentence, i use turkish so i ll try to translate it to e nglish for u tu understand
[06:33] <tbs> wxl: "be sure that you configured appstream correctly at your system"
[06:33] <wxl> hah wow that's new
[06:33] <tbs> i see this whenever i open  discover
[06:34] <tbs> but idk what to do
[06:35] <wxl> wow that is just bizarre
[06:35] <wxl> you could try reinstalling discover itself
[06:36] <tbs> hmm, from moon ?
[06:36] <wxl> `sudo dpkg-reconfigure plasma-discover` and/or `sudo apt reinstall plasma-discover` in terminal ought to do it
[06:37] <wxl> you could also try doing the same with the appstream package instead of plasma-discover
 `sudo dpkg-reconfigure plasma-discover` and/or `sudo apt reinstall plasma-discover` in terminal ought to do it          i did these but it s same
[06:40] <tbs> can u write full code about appstream package?
[06:40] <wxl> just replace "plasma-discover" with "appstream"
[06:42] <tbs> still same
[06:43] <wxl> what version of lubuntu are you on, out of curiousity?
[06:43] <tbs> 19.10
[06:45] <wxl> with discover closed, try running `appstreamcli refresh`
[06:45] <wxl> oh you may need to `sudo appstreamcli refresh`
[06:47] <tbs> i did need, an d it said " appstream doesn t need "frontram" update" im   notsure about tra nslate of "frontram"
[06:47] <wxl> ok let's get more aggressive: `sudo appstreamcli refresh --force`
[06:48] <tbs> (null) it said
[06:50] <wxl> that's truly bizarre
[06:50] <tbs> i didnt format /home partition  and just picked it again at with same  name, so some of my apps has somethings from previous apps, is this maybe also cuz of that?
[06:51] <wxl> depending on what the previous distro was, that could be anything from slightly problematic to completely disastrous
[06:51] <wxl> so, yes, most likely
[06:52] <tbs> i used mint xfce, i m usin g this n ow cuz xfce doesnt have arrange options for desktop icons and it auto arrange desktop icons at restrart an d i can t stop it...
[06:53] <wxl> oh my please do a fresh install
[06:53] <wxl> you're going to drive yourself crazy trying to resolve that mess
[06:54] <tbs> yes, it seeems i need to do that
[06:54] <tbs>  btw i like lubuntu really
[06:54] <wxl> i'm glad :)
[06:54] <wxl> and with that, i am going to sleep
[06:54] <wxl> best of luck to you and hope to see you around :)
[06:54] <tbs> are you perheps at lubuntu team ?
[06:54] <wxl> yeah that's me
[06:55] <wxl> (one of the team)
[06:55] <tbs> may i want something selfish_? :D
[06:55] <wxl> what's that?
[06:55] <tbs> do u know archman?
[06:55] <tbs> it s a distro
[06:55] <wxl> nope
[06:56] <tbs> they use arch as base
[06:56] <wxl> i gather that XD
[06:56] <tbs> i saw their lxde or lxqt desktop not offical but from oter members i guess at their store
[06:57] <tbs> i liked the way of that distro do som ethings they build at some ways
[06:57] <tbs> but it s not stable, needs somethin gs to repair i guess
[06:58] <wxl> well being based on arch there will be plenty of things that won't be compatible with the ubuntu ecosystem
[06:58] <wxl> and that is one of them XD
[06:58] <tbs> i wanted to ask that if u may check it so u may creat a theme or som ethin g like that smilar but better of them:)
[06:59] <tbs> give m e a m in an d i ll fin d adress
[07:00] <wxl> i guess that would depend on what specific thing(s) you want changed/added
[07:00] <tbs> i guessed u m ay wonder about that:D
[07:01] <tbs> btw it was openbox,  not lx ...
[07:01] <tbs> https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/files/stable-iso/2019-03/community/openbox/
[07:01] <tbs> but here we use openbox also i guess
[07:01] <wxl> openbox is our window manager. it could be almost anything.
[07:01] <tbs> well, idk much :/
[07:01] <wxl> openbox itself is pretty minimal
[07:03] <tbs> if u check this distro u can see ab out changing desktop, but it haves some bad ways too, i also liked left side tab
[07:04] <tbs> changing desktop i m ean  hmmm i can t remember  right word...
[07:04] <tbs> at most de we have it but they did it at a little different way
[07:06] <tbs> at left side bar there s an icon that shows all apps at desktop but it has bugs, it also devour desktop items which s not about app icons:D
[07:06] <wxl> you like the dock
[07:07] <tbs> i dont wait that u would do the same of them but i just wanted to show u an idea cuz after all distros i tried this s the one of the bests distro i could find
[07:08] <tbs> sorry to keep u here, good night sleep well ^^
[07:09] <wxl> you might try latte-dock
[07:09] <wxl> i've never bothered so ymmv
[07:10] <tbs> more likely i like transparant parted things to see more empty spaces i guess
[07:10] <wxl> https://kde.org/applications/utilities/org.kde.latte-dock
[07:11] <wxl> anyways off to bed i go! :)
[07:11] <tbs> sleep well^^
[09:30] <tbs>  "Be sure Appstream is properly installed"  this s the error message i get from discover, it seems this s a bug since 2 years ago but i couldn t find how to solve this. can  any one help me?
[09:31] <tbs> i reinstalled discover with synaptic and muon, i even reinstalled lubuntu...
[12:36] <hellsurfer> hello
[12:37] <hellsurfer> someone else?
[13:56] <tbs> Hello, how are you guys?
[14:33] <tbs> can anyone help me about changing apparance of lubuntu a little?
[14:58] <tbs> can anyone help me about customize apparence of lubuntu a little?
[16:21] <tbs> can anyone help me about customize apparence of lubuntu a little?
[16:56] <tbs> can anyone help me about customize apparence of lubuntu a little?
[20:48] <dzho> oh, gone
[21:12] <tbs> hello
[21:12] <tbs> anyone here?
[21:26] <kc2bez> Yes tbs I am here now.
[21:26] <tbs> kc2bez: how are you?
[21:27] <kc2bez> I am doing well.
[21:27] <tbs> good
[21:27] <tbs> well
[21:28] <tbs> may i ask u somethings?, it s okay if u feel bothered i wouldn t want to ask
[21:28] <kc2bez> No problem asking, this is the support channel.
[21:29] <tbs> maybe u are also here to get help...
[21:29] <kc2bez> No, I am here to help if I can. if I don't have the answer maybe someone else does.
[21:29] <kc2bez> !ask
[21:30] <tbs> i have a problem about discover, it s known bug it seems, i searched about it at net
[21:31] <tbs> even  before 2 years there was this bug im  facing now at discover app
[21:32] <tbs> when i open discover it says " be sure to configure appstream correctly on your system"
[21:32] <tbs> probably becouse of this i cant see some apps at discover...
[21:32] <tbs> can u help me? :/
[21:33] <kc2bez> That is a new one to me. Do you have a bug report to reference?
[21:34] <tbs> i didn t report anything
[21:34] <tbs> idk how
[21:34] <tbs> im kinda new at linux
[21:34] <kc2bez> No problem, I can walk you through the process.
[21:35] <tbs> but i like linux, i like this lubuntu for my pc too
[21:35] <tbs> thanks^^
[21:36] <kc2bez> For reference here is our wiki page on reporting bugs: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[21:37] <kc2bez> To report a bug for discover here is the TL;DR process
[21:37] <kc2bez> Open a terminal and type in the command `ubuntu-bug discover`
[21:38] <kc2bez> Without the `` of course.
[21:38] <kc2bez> It should guide you from there.
[21:39] <kc2bez> You will need an account on launchpad.net so that you can get information as your bug moves along through the process.
[21:42] <tbs> "Please make sure that Appstream is properly setup on
[21:42] <tbs> your system"   i guess this s right translation, i use turkish so i translated sentence on my own before. i found this at web now
[21:42] <kc2bez> Not sure
[21:42] <kc2bez> I gave you the wrong command though.
[21:43] <kc2bez> It should be `ubuntu-bug plasma-discover`
[21:43] <kc2bez> plasma-discover is the proper package name.
[21:43] <kc2bez> Let me do a little searching.
[21:43] <tbs> yes, it is, i tried to do alot of things so i also know:D
[21:45] <tbs> i reinstalled it with muon+synaptic also reinstalled lubuntu 2 times, ofc i chacked lubuntu hash
[21:46] <kc2bez> appstream data comes from the internet so If thereis a network issue between you and the source that may be part of the problem.
[21:46] <kc2bez> You can use muon to install packages too.
[21:47] <tbs> i dont have in tern et problem, u know when u open  discover u see recommended apps, i also dont see them but when i search some apps i see list of apps, but i cant find some of them
[21:48] <tbs> i want to install steam, synaptic or muon doesnt help me...
[21:50] <tbs> kc2bez: ?
[21:50] <kc2bez> The recommended apps come from a list that is hosted here: https://autoconfig.kde.org/discover/featured-5.9.json
[21:50] <kc2bez> ah steam, that has a bit of a trick to it.
[21:52] <kc2bez> Before you install steam you need to issue in the terminal `sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && sudo apt update`
[21:53] <kc2bez> That enables the i386 architecture that steam requires.
[21:54] <kc2bez> You should be able to install the steam installer from there.
[21:54] <tbs>   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+filebug/f85d140c-2c17-11ea-a586-0025b3df357a?
[21:54] <tbs> i dont have account
[21:56] <kc2bez> You can make one, just go to launchpad.net and in the upper right click log in / register
[21:57] <kc2bez> From there enter an email and select I don't have an Ubuntu One account
[22:02] <tbs> i feel half sich of creating accounts really :/
[22:03] <tbs> sick*
[22:03] <tbs> i n eed to write things at dark...
[22:06] <tbs> i need e-mail app at m y n ew system, it ll take a while...
[22:07] <tbs> which app u use for email?
[22:08] <kc2bez> Personally I use Thunderbird or a web client for the most part. I use Trojita for some stuff too.
[22:09] <tbs> i tried some includin g thunderbird, but cuz of some bad securty things emails has i couldnt enter them  via those apps
[22:10] <tbs> i ll try k mail n ow if it won t work i ll use web again with ICE, do u know ice?
[22:11] <kc2bez> Not really, no.
[22:11] <tbs> it s a good app, i suggest u to try it, since u help me this much
[22:11] <kc2bez> I will check it out, thanks.
[22:12] <tbs> are you at team of lubuntu?
[22:12] <kc2bez> Yes, I am part of the team.
[22:12] <tbs> do u know peppermint?
[22:13] <kc2bez> I have used it a couple of times but I am not as familiar.
[22:15] <tbs> ice is their app if i understood well, it s for using a browser for something spesific separate from main  browser app
[22:15] <tbs> forexample u have 2 hotmail mail, u cant sing 2 of them at same time so u can use this app for that
[22:17] <tbs> also this app makes page like full screen so it seems like an app itself for things like microsoft word, their primary  reason to do this app is for that i guess
[22:17] <kc2bez> Nice, reading up on it at their web page.
[22:17] <tbs> https://launchpad.net/~peppermintos
[22:18] <tbs> u can  download it from here
[22:18] <kc2bez> Thanks.
[22:18] <tbs> also i suggest u to check Advert Blocker app of theirs
[22:19] <kc2bez> I have one of those at my firewall but that can be handy on a laptop that isn't on your home network.
[22:19] <tbs> u guys may work or help eachother imo, what i see is sharing what makes linux bigger
[22:20] <kc2bez> From my experience there is a lot of sharing among all the distros.
[22:20] <tbs>  peppermint s good but i think lubuntu s better at someways
[22:22] <kc2bez> You are right, it is the best way to make it better for everyone. It isn't a competition really, the idea is to use what works best for you.
[22:24] <tbs> i installed kmail but it seem s it installed so much things that i dont need to my system :/
[22:26] <kc2bez> You may not need them but kmail does ;) It is the way it goes sometimes packages have many dependencies that are not on your system.
[22:28] <tbs> it eve n wants valled app... forcin g is not good really :/
[22:28] <tbs> i ll remove them all!
[22:47] <tbs> i deleted all kde stuff but it seems i did wrong:D
[22:49] <kc2bez> Well, some of the kde stuff is installed by default so if that got removed then, yes.
[22:51] <kc2bez> `sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop` should bring back all the default applications.
[23:06] <tbs> kc2bez: are you here?
[23:06] <kc2bez> yup, still here
[23:07] <tbs> i did report, so what to do now?
 @tbs [<tbs> i did report, so what to do now?], greet the happy new year
 ❤
[23:08] <kc2bez> Wait for some feedback :). There isn't much that can be done until someone analyzes the issue.
[23:09] <tbs> u know workspaces at desktop
[23:09] <kc2bez> Yes.
[23:10] <tbs> i can change them via a little app at panel
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> You are right, it is the best way to make it better for everyone. It is …], 👍
[23:10] <tbs> but i wan t to do it with not that little up, whenever i use m m ouse whell on panel i wanna change workspace
[23:11] <tbs> like i can do it on desktop
[23:11] <tbs> can  i?
[23:11] <kc2bez> Not that I know of.
[23:12] <tbs> well, i can i guess but idk how, i saw it at another distro
[23:13] <tbs> https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/files/stable-iso/2019-03/community/openbox/
[23:13] <tbs> at this
[23:13] <tbs> i also liked this distro but it s n ot stable...
[23:14] <tbs> that distro s what lead me lxqt an d so here
[23:14] <kc2bez> that can be an issue with arch
[23:14] <kc2bez> there is a keyboard shortcut to switch desktops
[23:15] <kc2bez> Super + F1-4 switch
[23:15] <tbs> yeah but i wan n a do it on taskbar like i can do it on  desktop
[23:16] <tbs> btw it s okay if u dont know, i m just asking and trying my chance
[23:16] <kc2bez> Yeah, I am not sure.
[23:16] <tbs> i also wan t to know how to put different wallpaper on differen d workspaces
[23:17] <tbs> at that distro i sent u there s those things i am mentioning
[23:18] <tbs> but like i said it s n ot stable, it s  not even from archman itself but fro m comunity, but i liked som ethin gs those guys did there
[23:19] <kc2bez> I am not sure how they are accomplishing that. It isn't possible with LXQt.
[23:20] <tbs> u r at team  of lubuntu, can u check it? :D so maybe i can learn it from  you?
[23:21] <tbs> do u know  last player mint use at 19.3 , how can i install it here?
[23:21] <kc2bez> I haven't used mint so I don't know.
[23:22] <tbs> Celluloid
[23:22] <tbs> how can i install this?
[23:25] <kc2bez> celluloid is the gym frontend for mpv. It used to be called gnome mpv
[23:25] <kc2bez> gtk not gym
[23:26] <kc2bez> autocorrect got me there.
[23:26] <tbs> so what if it s gtk fronted?
[23:27] <kc2bez> it doesn't really matter, I was just noting it.
[23:28] <tbs> so how can i in stall it?
[23:28] <kc2bez> Most of the applications we have are Qt so any gtk application will need to pull in those extra depenancies. standby let me look up the package name.
[23:29] <tbs> sure, thanks
[23:30] <kc2bez> sudo apt install gnome-mpv
[23:30] <kc2bez> smplayer is a possible qt alternative.
[23:31] <kc2bez> mpv has many different frontends.
[23:31] <tbs> well, i have read that Celluloid was gnome  mpv, but are they same now?
[23:32] <kc2bez> It seems like only a name change.
[23:33] <tbs> vlc s fine, but i wanted to try Celluloid too some  more, i tried it before lubuntu at i guess it s a little better than vlc but im not sure
[23:34] <tbs> will it be same with kmail if i in stall gnome-mpv?
[23:37] <kc2bez> If you do a `sudo apt install -s gnome-mpv` it will simulate the install and you can see what it will do.
[23:38] <kc2bez> The "-s" tells apt to simulate it.
[23:39] <kc2bez> muon will list the dependencies too.
[23:40] <tbs> it finished so fast, but i cant fi nd the app
[23:41] <kc2bez> it didn't actually install with the -s flag
[23:41] <kc2bez> it is a simulation
[23:41] <tbs> @@
[23:41] <tbs> it said use sudo apt autoremove so i used it
[23:41] <tbs> but it seem s it removes so m uch things!!!
[23:42] <kc2bez> autoremove does remove things yes
[23:42] <tbs> i may need to reinstall lubuntu again...
[23:43] <kc2bez> sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop if you think it removed too much.
[23:44] <tbs> it even  removing drivers, i guess that code wont be en ough
[23:45] <kc2bez> hard to say. I can't see what it is removing.
[23:45] <tbs> i thought sudo apt autoremove s for aotoremoving leftovers after removing an app...
[23:46] <kc2bez> it is.
[23:46] <kc2bez> extra kernel modules that are not in use, that sort of thing.
[23:47] <kc2bez> it is probably from the extra kde stuff that you uninstalled.
[23:47] <tbs> i don t have some apps now
[23:48] <tbs> like vlc and half of libre office apps an d som e graphic apps an d some m ore
[23:48] <kc2bez> they should reinstall with lubuntu-desktop
[23:49] <tbs> why only half or libre office apps? why not all?
[23:50] <kc2bez> I am not sure.
[23:50] <tbs> how can i install stea m?
[23:51] <kc2bez> [16:52] <fffffkc2bezBefore you install steam you need to issue in the terminal `sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && sudo apt update`
[23:51] <tbs> i did
[23:52] <kc2bez> ok then you should be able to sudo apt install steam-installer
[23:53] <tbs> i ll try after in stalling lubuntu desktop
[23:53] <kc2bez> ok
[23:54] <tbs> there s notifications thing on panel, how can  i delete it?
[23:55] <tbs> kc2bez: ?
[23:56] <kc2bez> what is the notification?
[23:56] <melodie> tbs sudo aptitude --purge inotify
[23:57] <tbs> well,  it shows some reports from some apps i guess
[23:57] <melodie> so what do you want to remove precisely?
[23:58] <tbs> i dont wa n na see that widget on  pan el
[23:58] <melodie> oui mais which widget???
[23:59] <melodie> what about "right click" on widget and "remove <widget> from panel" ?


[07:20] <eoli3n> Hi, on 16.04 repo, "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" installs intel-microcode if needed. On 18.04, it doesnt.
[08:31] <eoli3n> Is there any way to change the string of the guest session name ?
[08:31] <eoli3n> in lightdm ?
[09:51] <rbasak> nacc: could you remind me of an example where bug 1755247 happens please?
[09:51] <rbasak> I can't find anything in MPs / current docs.
[15:48] <ricotz> mdeslaur, hi :), is there some progress regarding clamav 0.100.0?
[15:49] <mdeslaur> ricotz: nobody is working on it
[15:49] <ricotz> mdeslaur, oh really, I see
[15:51] <mdeslaur> ricotz: it doesn't contain any CVE fixes, so the security team isn't working on it. Not sure who else works on it.
[15:53] <ricotz> mdeslaur, ok, thanks for the info
[16:10] <nacc> rbasak: https://code.launchpad.net/~nacc/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+ref/importer-fix-tests first comm
[16:10] <nacc> rbasak: but basically anytime we see a (source pkg, version) tuple from Launchpad with new contents
[16:15] <nacc> rbasak: doc/SPECIFICATION.tags as well
[16:15] <rbasak> nacc: I was looking for a reference that named a source pkg and version where that happened
[16:16] <nacc> rbasak: uh ... i'd need to look
[16:16] <nacc> rbasak: all of the packages with the orphan tag bug will show it, i think
[16:16] <nacc> as reimport tags == orphan tags
[16:16] <rbasak> OK, thanks
[16:17] <rbasak> So s_moser most recent bug should be an instance of that, right?
[16:18] <nacc> yeah, i think so? i mean, in theory, any orphan tag that used to exist would now be a reimport tag
[16:20] <rbasak> OK. I'll dig tommorrow
[17:56] <wxl> slangasek: infinity: my call for nominations awaits moderator approval on the list
[18:12] <slangasek> wxl: on which list?
[18:12] <slangasek> wxl: (whichever list, I don't have mod privs)
[18:12] <wxl> slangasek: the titular one :)
[18:12] <wxl> slangasek: also the list seems to suggest otherwise
[18:12] <slangasek> ?
[18:13] <wxl> oh
[18:13] <wxl> nevermind. looking at the wrong list. bah.
[18:13] <wxl> ok
[18:13] <wxl> i sent to ubuntu-devel but probably should have sent to ubuntu-devel-discuss
[18:13] <wxl> s/discuss/announce/
[18:14] <wxl> you are in control there so let me resend
[18:14] <slangasek> ok :)
[18:21] <wxl> ok NOW you can do it slangasek :)
[18:36] <wxl> thx slangasek
[18:38] <wxl> @tsimonq2: where/
[18:38] <udevbot> Error: "tsimonq2:" is not a valid command.
[18:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: Wrong chan. :P
[18:39] <wxl> aigh
[21:12] <Guest20589> I thought I would ask in here so those idiots in #ubuntu hardly ever have a clue. anyone know how to run kexec with kexec-tools by setting it to true and APPEND="/usr/lib/memtest86+/memtest86+.elf"
[21:12] <Guest20589> would that work?


[23:28] <radi> hey
[23:29] <Guest3744> i need some sort of help with the brightness applet
[23:31] <Watako> Hi peeps
[23:31] <Watako> what's going on in here?
[23:35] <Guest3744> the brightness applet doesn't function at all
[23:35] <Guest3744> it is just useless
[23:35] <Guest3744> i have been trying for an hour but no use


[01:31] <jrwren> where is the money going if not to the conf organizers?
[01:39] <Scary_Guy> I mean if they roll it back into the con then that's one thing, but if they're just lining their pockets...
[09:26] <wolfger> I've never been deeply involved with Penguicon, but I've been on the periphery for a long time. Unless there's been some fuckery that I don't know about, all of con's money has gone back into con. They used to do some pretty epic consuite shit, buying a ton of food, drinks, and beer to give to attendees free of charge.  Basically con is struggling to even survive right now, and I'll be somewhat surprised if it doesn't fold after this year.
[09:31] <wolfger> But yeah, I remember one year they were flush with money and just like "come up with ideas on how to spend this cash... come to the board meeting with your idea, and if we like it we'll fund you".  This ain't no ComiCon.
[09:32] <Scary_Guy> Well at least that's good to hear.  Still you'd think they could at least throw him gas money :P
[09:33] <Scary_Guy> Actually IIRC he still had to get a ticket too.
[09:34] <Scary_Guy> There aren't a lot of things that will anger me by proxy but that's one of them.
[09:36] <Scary_Guy> I remember going to HauntCon when they came here.  They wanted all the hearse owners to show up (spending their gas which isn't cheap as they notoriously get bad mileage) and then didn't even want to comp us admission when we were there as an attraction for THEIR event.
[09:36] <wolfger> Yeah, I don't know the particulars of that... I feel like they should have, but they probably treated him like any other panelist. Buy your ticket up front and get comped after if you actually showed up for your 3 panels (the threshold for getting comped), because they had some issue with people signing up to do panels then no-showing.
[09:37] <Scary_Guy> Ah, see he didn't mention that part, that would be more understandable then.
[09:37] <wolfger> but DJ'ing isn't just sitting on a panel, that's a ton of work and a ton of equipment.
[09:38] <Scary_Guy> Yeah, he has a large cube truck which is also not cheap to drive.
[09:40] <Scary_Guy> I think he has a minimal setup he can take in his other vehicle but if he's taking the sound system and lighting as well...
[09:45] <wolfger> Yeah, they totally should have paid some of his expense for that.
[12:55] <jccgjw> Ahh, scary people everywhere. CD
[12:55] <jccgjw> XD
[12:56] <Scary_Guy> Oh hey, you're back!
[12:56] <Scary_Guy> Sorry I was in the shower when you asked.  Getting ready to go out to eat with family.
[12:57] <Scary_Guy> there's coffee.ofdoom.org and doughnut.ofdoom.org.  I think one of those two is down for the count.  Can't remember which one.
[12:57] <jccgjw> Had to reset my IRC client and I'm just getting reacquainted with it. Haven't used IRC since early 2000's
[12:57] <Scary_Guy> ./links shows them both as on though
[12:58] <Scary_Guy> Which client?
[12:58] <Scary_Guy> I'm on Weechat
[12:58] <jccgjw> IRC via Thunderbird Chat tab. Haha. I have yet to decide on a main IRC client.
[12:58] <Scary_Guy> What OS?
[12:59] <jccgjw> Well theres only three options there...
[12:59] <jccgjw> Lol
[12:59] <Scary_Guy> There are sub options though.
[13:00] <jccgjw> Indeed. And I've found Windows to be too wide-open, and MacOS is a closed-ecosystem knock-off of linux.
[13:01] <jccgjw> So, now it's one of like 2000 options. I'll give you a hint. I didn't build my own Kernal from scratch, if that helps narrow it down. XD
[13:02] <Scary_Guy> Not really, but close enough.  Do you like the terminal?
[13:02] <jccgjw> Worse yet, Windows is a closed-ecosystem knock-off of MacOS, which is itself a closed-ecosystem knock-off of linux... So I would only use it if forced by circumstance.
[13:03] <jccgjw> I do like terminal. Seems like you do too?
[13:03] <Scary_Guy> Yeah, I have like five terminal windows open now running various things with a low memory footprint.
[13:04] <Scary_Guy> Weechat or IRSSI (I think) are good TUI IRC clients.
[13:05] <jccgjw> Sounds like DWM
[13:05] <jccgjw> Desktop Environments are bloat?
[13:05] <Scary_Guy> Actually I use i3wm.  It's comfy.
[13:06] <Scary_Guy> Technically I'm on Regolith Desktop 3 which uses either that or Sway with PiCom.
[13:10] <jccgjw> I'll have to check out IRSSI, I've heard it reference before.
[13:11] <jccgjw> Honestly, I learn fast, and have little to no experience with Linux. I know how to find masters and tend to pay close attention to them.
[13:11] <Scary_Guy> You should check out mug.org then too.
[13:11] <jccgjw> I've broken my installation at least 10 difference ways in the last month and happily sought solutions online. Lol
[13:12] <jccgjw> *different
[13:12] <Scary_Guy> I've been there, probably will be again too.
[13:12] <Scary_Guy> You should also check out Ventoy then as well.  Fun tool that turns a USB drive into an ISO multicart.
[13:13] <jccgjw> I use that tool already. I WISH that was around ten years ago.. when all I had was a CD burner...
[13:14] <Scary_Guy> I know.  I was pretty surprised it took someone that long to come up with the idea but it makes so much sense!
[13:14] <jccgjw> Indeed!
[13:14] <Scary_Guy> Read that in Teal'c's voice
[13:14] <jccgjw> External SSD become an ISO Multicart as you said.
[13:14] <jccgjw> becomes*
[13:14] <jccgjw> Man, having a real keyboard is something I have to get used to again.
[13:15] <Scary_Guy> Your keyboard sucks :P
[13:15] <jccgjw> Been on mobile for basically the last three years, sorting out this haacker issue
[13:15] <jccgjw> Thanks, I'll be sure to leave it the memo.
[13:15] <jccgjw> It truly is a china special for $10 from amazon.
[13:15] <Scary_Guy> https://www.zsa.io/moonlander
[13:15] <jccgjw> Genuine Mechanical Keys though
[13:15] <Scary_Guy> Well, I did overpay heavily for mine.
[13:16] <Scary_Guy> Programmable layers though, and I'm using the Workman layout.
[13:16] <Scary_Guy> https://workmanlayout.org
[13:16] <jccgjw> Soldered keys and LEDs.. I dont mind having cheap gear. In fact I like figuring out how to make lesser gear do what it wasn't designed to do.
[13:17] <Scary_Guy> That is awesome
[13:17] <Scary_Guy> I did just get a Flipper Zero too
[13:17] <jccgjw> Moonlander looks comfy.
[13:18] <Scary_Guy> That's because it is.  I have mine sitting on the end of my armrests.
[13:18] <Scary_Guy> With a long cable connecting the two halves.
[13:18] <jccgjw> So YOUR the guy on TikTok opening up trunks and gascap covers on people's Teslas on LIVE...  lol
[13:18] <Scary_Guy> No, but that does sound like fun
[13:19] <Scary_Guy> Just have to remember not to take it into Canada
[13:19] <jccgjw> You're probably going to think I'm just a weak target saying this....
[13:20] <jccgjw> I prefer to lawful side of computing. Though I appreciate the creative energy of the desire to bend rules.
[13:20] <jccgjw> the*
[13:21] <Scary_Guy> White hats have their place too.  They just call it pen-testing instead of hacking.
[13:22] <Scary_Guy> In reality though it's all shades of grey.
[13:22] <jccgjw> In fact, I aspite to develop myself as a member of Purple-Team
[13:23] <Scary_Guy> You ever see Sneakers?
[13:24] <jccgjw> What year?
[13:24] <Scary_Guy> 1992 I think?
[13:24] <jccgjw> It sounds familiar...
[13:24] <Scary_Guy> You should, right up your alley.
[13:25] <jccgjw> I have yes, a couple times. Had to see scenes to remember it.
[13:25] <Scary_Guy> Should check out a lot of the DefCon videos too.
[13:25] <jccgjw> Sneakers, Hackers, 90s classics.
[13:26] <Scary_Guy> Well Hackers was fantasy hacking bullshit for the most part, I guess Sneakers was some of that too.
[13:26] <Scary_Guy> Mr. Robot is pretty legit though.
[13:27] <wolfger> Seatec Astronomy!
[13:27] <jccgjw> Yeah, I was pretty disappointed to learn how much nonsense was in Hackers..
[13:27] <Scary_Guy> I stil want a clear laptop though, that thing was so cool.  Clear cases should make a comeback.
[13:28] <Scary_Guy> Kind of want a Nothing Phone for that reason.  Although I'm happier with my glitchy PinePhone.
[13:28] <jccgjw> That was the coolest. You got a PinePhone?
[13:28] <jccgjw> Worth the wait?
[13:29] <Scary_Guy> I want the Pro, but it's very much a "dev phone."  It works, but barely.
[13:29] <jccgjw> You're probably going to think I'm nuts for asking this...
[13:29] <Scary_Guy> Postmarket OS is the one that works best.
[13:31] <jccgjw> If you were the target of an unknown APT group, that wanted to toy with some nobody for a couple years non-stop, what would you advise such a person to help them climb out of the hole?
[13:32] <Scary_Guy> Well there are plenty of books on how to disappear.  I'd do that if they were really hellbent, but that's an extreme case and not for everyone.
[13:32] <Scary_Guy> Maybe treat it like identity theft?  IDK honestly.
[13:33] <jccgjw> I heard Pinephone was glitchy. Like the Arch-linux of cell phones. You can use it, but you gotta get used to bug-hunting daily.
[13:33] <Scary_Guy> Maybe go on the offensive?  Try to get their information.
[13:33] <Scary_Guy> It's not a daily thing, but it is often.
[13:34] <Scary_Guy> On the plus side there's an IRC/Matrix/Discord and they're all bridged together.  That and the PostmarketOS ones make troubleshooting a little bit easier.
[13:34] <jccgjw> Well, that's precisely my motivation for suddenly learning purple-team. I want to defend and gather enough to share with other who might cause me to become a relatively formidable target, rather than a nobody.
[13:35] <Scary_Guy> Knowledge is power for sure
[13:35] <Scary_Guy> Anyway I gotta jet, breakfast with family soon.
[13:36] <jccgjw> Thanks for sharing knowledge and time, Scary_Guy
[13:36] <Scary_Guy> :)
[13:36] <jccgjw> I appreciate chatting with you. Maybe I'll see you around. Enjoy your breakfast eh?
[13:56] <jccgjw> wolfger Seatec Astronomy?
[14:09] <wolfger> from the movie Sneakers
[14:10] <wolfger> anagram for "too many secrets"
[22:42] <jccgjw> Finally got Weechat up and running... lol
[23:01] <cmaloney> woo woo