[03:01] <theblazehen> Maaz tell magespawn I think /usr/local is recommended. And then /opt is used by what I can best describe as "application bundles", say proprietary software that doesn't fit neatly into the normal fhs. I have "firefox-developer  MYGUI  OGRE  phpstorm  teamviewer  unigine-valley" for example
[03:01] <Maaz> theblazehen: Okay, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[05:03] <Kilos> morning everyone
[05:23] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[05:25] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[05:25] <Kilos> inetpro will you do the G+ and tweet reminders please
[05:26] <Kilos> or chesedo
[05:27] <Kilos> Maaz announce Meeting tonight , here, at 20.30 everybody
[05:27] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Meeting tonight , here, at 20.30 everybody
[06:04] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:08] <dlPhreak> morning
[06:09] <theblazehen> hi thatgraemeguy dlPhreak
[06:10] <dlPhreak> How are you doing theblazehen ?
[06:10] <theblazehen> Alright and you dlPhreak?
[06:13] <dlPhreak> Tired.  Yeah, couldn't sleep either. got 2 hours at most. At least I feel like I had a *lot* of coffee, although I didn't actually. It's actually a kind of awesome feeling
[06:16] <theblazehen> Hi Kilos
[06:16] <Kilos> hi theblazehen  too
[06:16] <dlPhreak> I know that feeling.
[06:17] <theblazehen> dlPhreak: You also get that like really wired feeling?
[06:17] <theblazehen> I do this from time to time.
[06:18] <dlPhreak> When I haven't slept for more than a day, I feel slightly nauseated and I just want to be in sunlight.
[06:19] <theblazehen> Wow, that sucks. Yeah, doesn't happen often for me. Only when I skip my meds. So I can choose when I do it. Really useful if you have an exam the next day..
[06:20] <dlPhreak> Lol I actually like it.
[06:22] <thatgraemeguy> you people need serious medical help
[06:22] <thatgraemeguy> I would sleep 12 hours a day if I could :-p
[06:23] <theblazehen> thatgraemeguy: Yeah, I got :) It's just when I don't have that I can't sleep, I normally aim for 9 hours
[06:24] <thatgraemeguy> if only!
[06:24] <dlPhreak> If I sleep more than 6 hours I just feel groggy and lazy.
[06:25] <theblazehen> Wow, it would be awesome if I could sleep that little... Did that (6 hours) for a few weeks before, it was hell
[06:25] <Kilos> hi cal_py
[06:26] <cal_py> morning Kilos hows the head?
[06:26] <Kilos> bit better ty
[06:26] <dlPhreak> It took me weeks to build the habbit.
[06:26] <Kilos> takes coupla days after heavy physical stuff
[06:26] <cal_py> good good
[06:26] <dlPhreak> habit*
[06:27] <cal_py> morning dlPhreak
[06:27] <dlPhreak> cal
[06:27] <dlPhreak> How's your i3 install coming?
[06:28] <cal_py> good just need to figure out how to set up wifi networks in ubuntu minimal
[06:28] <dlPhreak> NetworkManager
[06:30] <cal_py> wpa_passphrse and moding /etc/network/interfaces
[06:31] <theblazehen> cal_py: I find netctl is easier
[06:31] <cal_py> does it come with ubuntu-minimal theblazehen
[06:32] <theblazehen> cal_py: Not sure, I don't think it's compatible with network manager though
[06:32] <cal_py> is network manager the gui tool?
[06:32] <theblazehen> I'm running arch, so I can choose which I one
[06:33] <theblazehen> AFAIK there are GUI interfaces and CLI interfaces to network manager
[06:33] <dlPhreak> NetworkManager is the default one in ubuntu but you can use nmcli
[06:33] <cal_py> my plan, get wifi, install i3
[06:33] <dlPhreak> wpa_supplicant is a biatch.
[06:34] <cal_py> unless you write to op to a file
[06:35] <theblazehen> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/1qIEBOGEkEFmNoA3R65j/ my netctl wifi config
[06:35] <theblazehen> Quite simple
[06:36] <dlPhreak> Yeah I've used netctl on gentoo and it was pretty easy.
[06:39] <cal_py> ahhhhh, everyone is pro netctl
[06:41] <dlPhreak> I should probably star working. .
[06:43] <cal_py> na,
[06:47] <chesedo> morning all
[06:47] <chesedo> Kilos: will see in a bit
[06:49] <Kilos> np
[06:55] <cal_py> i've given up how do i use netctl
[07:05] <cal_py> nvm, got it working :) :) :)
[07:05] <dlPhreak> wpa_supplicant?
[07:07] <cal_py> not really, just wrote the networks details to /etc/network/interfaces
[07:07] <dlPhreak> GG
[07:38] <Private_User> morning all
[08:00] <cal_py> HELP!
[08:01] <dlPhreak> I need somebody!
[08:02] <chesedo> Help with??
[08:03] <cal_py> I can only startx as root
[08:04] <chesedo> oh boy!
[08:04]  * chesedo has no idea how to handle that...
[08:05] <chesedo> have you checked the logs?
[08:05] <Kilos> how did you get to there
[08:05] <cal_py> I installed ubuntu minimal and i3\
[08:05] <Kilos> you can become root
[08:05] <Kilos> does sudo not work?
[08:06] <chesedo> does minimal even need X?
[08:06] <cal_py> i guess it does if you want i3
[08:06] <Kilos> cal_py sudo not working as root
[08:06] <Kilos> ??
[08:07] <Kilos> if you must become root you can sudo -i but not wise if sudo works
[08:09] <cal_py> problem is that startx wont work at my normal user level it only works as root
[08:09] <Kilos> ok try sudo -i
[08:09] <Kilos> then you are root
[08:09] <dlPhreak> He doesn't want to run it as root.
[08:10] <Kilos> cant he then go change permissions so user can startx as well
[08:12] <cal_py> how do you do that?
[08:12] <theblazehen> cal_py: I've dealt with that before
[08:12] <theblazehen> Can you post your ~/.xinitrc ?
[08:12] <cal_py> how do i slay this dragon theblazehen ?
[08:13] <theblazehen> I remember it was quite simple. Post your xinitrc let me see. Do you have wgetpaste? Then you can just wgetpaste ~/.xinitrc
[08:14] <theblazehen> Oh, and also rm ~/.Xauthority then try again as a normal user
[08:15] <cal_py> thats the error it says it can lock .Xauthority
[08:15] <cal_py> *acnt
[08:15] <cal_py> *cant
[08:16] <theblazehen> After you ran rm on it? Okay
[08:16] <theblazehen> What's your xinitrc?
[08:16] <theblazehen> That was one of my problems before I think
[08:18] <cal_py> is wgetpaste a program?
[08:18] <theblazehen> Yeah. Might be in repos
[08:19] <theblazehen> cal_py: https://www.question-defense.com/2009/10/22/wgetpaste-upload-directly-to-pastebin-from-the-linux-shell
[08:23] <cal_py> wifi died
[08:23] <cal_py> keeps doing that
[08:29] <theblazehen> cal_py: Keeps failing? I need to see your ~/.xinitrc so I can see if the problem is there
[08:30] <cal_py> ive downloaded and extracted wgetpaste
[08:30] <cal_py> but cant seem to figure out how to use it
[08:31] <theblazehen> cal_py: Ok `cat ~/.xinitrc | curl -F 'clbin=<-' https://clbin.com` should work
[08:33] <cal_py> .xinitrc: No such file
[08:38] <dlPhreak> Do you have a .xinitrc in your /root?
[08:38] <cal_py> lemme check
[08:39] <cal_py>     /root is empty
[08:40] <dlPhreak> I think ubuntu ignores the .xinitrc.
[08:41] <cal_py> maybe its because i chaged my password after install
[08:42] <dlPhreak> What password?
[08:42] <cal_py> user password
[08:42] <theblazehen> cal_py: cp /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ~/.xinitrc
[08:42] <theblazehen> then edit it to launch the desktop you want
[08:43] <theblazehen> The filename in /etc/X11 might be a bit different on Ubuntu
[08:43] <cal_py> as root?
[08:44] <theblazehen> no, normal user
[08:44] <cal_py> ok i have copied xinitrc, so what do i put in the file to start i3?
[08:44] <theblazehen> does it mention starting anything else at the bottom? Remove that
[08:45] <theblazehen> then at the end add `exec i3`
[08:45] <theblazehen> cal_py: Just mention my name when you reply, so I get a notification
[08:46] <cal_py> ok theblazehen, must i reboot now?
[08:46] <theblazehen> cal_py: Nah, just run startx again
[08:46] <cal_py> ok it just hangs
[08:46] <cal_py> theblazehen, sorry keep forgetting to link your name
[08:47] <theblazehen> Ok, meaning black screen, or does it show the lines showing that Xorg is starting?
[08:47] <cal_py> theblazehen, after a while i get the unable to lock .Xauthority
[08:47] <theblazehen> Ok
[08:47] <cal_py> nope in terminal theblazehen
[08:47] <theblazehen> Ok
[08:48] <cal_py> theblazehen, now it's in a blank screen look slike its trying to start
[08:48] <theblazehen> cal_py: Ok. If it doesn't start can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log with the command above?
[08:51] <cal_py> one sec theblazehen
[08:55] <cal_py> theblazehen, pastebin.com/8677NrS1
[08:58] <theblazehen> cal_py: Maybe try and add your user to the video and input groups? Didn't see anything strange in the logs. Or you can test a .xinitrc with only `exec i3` in it, and if that doesn't work `exec xterm` or whatever you have installed
[09:00] <cal_py> how do i add user to those groups? theblazehen
[09:01] <theblazehen> cal_py: sudo usermod -a -G video $USER
[09:01] <theblazehen> and same for inpu
[09:01] <theblazehen> t
[09:01] <cal_py> $USER being my username?
[09:03] <cal_py> there seems to be no input group
[09:03] <theblazehen> yes. Or you can leave it as $USER, that's an env var that has your username
[09:03] <theblazehen> Ok, and you're added to video?
[09:03] <theblazehen> Give it a go again
[09:03] <cal_py> yep
[09:03] <theblazehen> alright
[09:04] <cal_py> still the same thing theblazehen
[09:04] <theblazehen> cal_py: And with only exec i3 in your ,xinitrc?
[09:05] <cal_py> yep
[09:05] <Kilos> ai!
[09:06] <theblazehen> Hmm. And you can't use a really simple display manager such as slim? It's what I use, should work for you. no KMS on nvidia :(
[09:09] <cal_py> I think i found the issue theblazehen
[09:09] <theblazehen> cal_py: What was it?
[09:12] <cal_py> just rebooting to confirm
[09:15] <cal_py> ahhhh youre ganna wanna kill me theblazehen it was ecryptfs-mount-private
[09:15] <theblazehen> Ahh.. haha. It's all cool cal_py
[09:16] <cal_py> so do i have to run that every time i boot?
[09:16] <theblazehen> cal_py: which? ecryptfs-mount-private ?
[09:17] <cal_py> yeah
[09:20] <theblazehen> You could eg do in xinitrc `encryptfs-mount-private; exec i3`
[09:27] <cal_py> it needs a password everytime theblazehen
[09:28] <theblazehen> cal_py: For when you start it? So then you need to do it before startx or what?
[09:28] <theblazehen> Does normal ubuntu do that transaprently?
[09:29] <theblazehen> maybe check https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ECryptfs#Auto-mounting
[09:29] <cal_py> i have todo it before i startx but it needs a password
[09:35] <theblazehen> cal_py: check https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ECryptfs#Auto-mounting maybe?
[09:37] <cal_py> trying it now theblazehen
[09:39] <cal_py> theblazehen, i dont have system-auth in pam.d
[09:44] <theblazehen> cal_py: Hmm, alright. Have a look in the files in /etc/X11/xinit. See if they mention anything, then you can just merge that into your .xinitrc
[09:47] <cal_py> theblazehen, theres two files xinitrc and xserverrc
[09:48] <cal_py> i'm not sure what i looking for
[09:48] <cal_py> *I'm
[09:48] <theblazehen> in xinitrc, any mention of anything related to ecryptfs?
[09:53] <cal_py> nope just startx stuff
[09:54] <theblazehen> Okay. And with normal ubuntu login you don't need to do that/
[09:54] <theblazehen> ? *
[09:55] <theblazehen> Other option is having a look at another way to automate the mounting of ecryptfs
[09:55] <theblazehen> maybe echo password | ecryptfs-mount-private or something
[09:57] <cal_py> and the put that in xinitrc?
[09:59] <cal_py> theblazehen, inappropriate ioctl for device
[10:01] <cal_py> theblazehen, found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/411702/ubuntu-12-04-keyring-broken-signature-not-found-in-user-keyring-perhaps-try-the
[10:02] <dlPhreak> Just install arch..
[10:04] <theblazehen> dlPhreak: Easiest solution :) cal_py yeah, you can try it inxinitrc
[10:04] <cal_py> fixed :)
[10:04] <cal_py> what distro do you use theblazehen
[10:05] <thatgraemeguy> http://i.imgur.com/DO6T3m7.png anyone know what that is trying to tell me?
[10:05] <thatgraemeguy> no tooltip on mouseover
[10:05] <theblazehen> cal_py: Arch. Easiest one for me, as I know how all the components fit together etc, so I find it easier to see what to fix if things break. Also, rolling release, and has very up to date packages
[10:06] <theblazehen> thatgraemeguy: Laptop? Is your touchpad turned off maybe?
[10:06] <dlPhreak> I installed manjaro netinstall the other day.
[10:06] <cal_py> yeah i;ve heard that, I tried insalling it but us quite hectic for a noob
[10:06] <thatgraemeguy> theblazehen: laptop yes, I just used the touchpad to test, works
[10:12] <magespawn> good day all
[10:12] <Maaz> magespawn: By the way, theblazehen on freenode told me "tell magespawn I think /usr/local is recommended. And then /opt is used by what I can best describe as "application bundles", say proprietary software that doesn't fit neatly into the normal fhs. I have "firefox-developer  MYGUI  OGRE  phpstorm  teamviewer  unigine-valley" for example" 7 hours, 11 minutes and
[10:12] <Maaz> 24 seconds ago
[10:13] <cal_py> wifi wont work now :(
[10:13] <magespawn> thanks theblazehen
[10:16] <theblazehen> cal_py: that sucks..
[10:16] <cal_py> what do you thin netctl?
[10:17] <cal_py> does it re-write /etc/network/interfaces
[10:19] <theblazehen> Nah, iirc /etc/network/ is managed by network manager. netctl is its own thing
[10:19] <cal_py> hmmmmm,
[13:09] <qwebirc23332> Hi
[13:11] <Iqbal> Need some help with setting up my wireless network connection
[13:12] <Iqbal> Please
[13:16] <Iqbal> Anybody out there?
[13:19] <cal_py> hey Iqbal what seems to be the fault?
[14:10] <magespawn> chat later, see you all at the meeting
[14:53] <Kilos> ai! major telkom server crash. got some voda airtime so i can make tonights meeting
[14:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:12] <Kilos> inetpro you gonna find karl for us
[15:12] <Kilos> ??
[15:33] <dlPhreak> Is it a public meeting?
[15:33] <Kilos> yes
[15:33] <Kilos> everyone welcome
[15:34] <Kilos> did you get the mail in the list dlPhreak ?
[15:34] <dlPhreak> I might make it. I have band practice 6-8 so as long as we don't get wasted I will come.
[15:34] <dlPhreak> Lol I still haven't joined the mailling list..
[15:34] <dlPhreak> ^__^
[15:34] <Kilos> WHYYYYY
[15:34] <dlPhreak> Not that I read my email anyway.
[15:34] <dlPhreak> I only read my work email these days.
[15:35] <dlPhreak> Lemme just do it right now.
[15:35] <Kilos> go to the site and join us on launchpad
[15:36] <Kilos> and dont get wasted tonight
[15:36] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[15:36] <Kilos> i dont know how to get hold of karl so he doesnt forget tonights meeting
[15:37] <Kilos> dlPhreak you just as naughty as you were when you were dlimit
[15:38] <dlPhreak> I prefer the word devious.. XD
[15:38] <Kilos> naughty
[15:38] <Kilos> skelm
[15:38] <Kilos> slack
[15:38] <Kilos> sleg
[15:38] <dlPhreak> Hahaha yeah that's me
[15:38] <Kilos> lol
[15:39] <Kilos> you used to be in port shepstone area? or have i got you mixed up with someone else
[15:40] <dlPhreak> Yes, Margate.
[15:40] <dlPhreak> My buddy cal is in south port on the other side of port sheptstone.
[15:42] <Kilos> ah i know that area in memory a bit
[15:42] <Kilos> i built all those prefab exchange buidings down the coast many years ago
[15:42] <Kilos> Cryterion meeting tonight hey
[15:43] <dlPhreak> Gotta go chat laterz
[15:43] <Cryterion> yes, read your mail, I'll be around here
[15:43] <Kilos> lol ty
[15:50] <superfly> Hi
[16:49] <Kilos> i hope inetpro hasnt got telkom probs as well also too
[16:52] <Kilos> hi cal_py glad you could make it
[16:53] <Kilos> 1 1/2 hours to go
[16:53] <cal_py> for sure Kilos
[16:53] <Kilos> is your i3 fixed
[16:53] <cal_py> 85% hahaha
[16:53] <Kilos> i looked at that but not my cup of tea
[16:54] <Kilos> i like something that just works like kubuntu
[16:54] <cal_py> I like the fact that you use all of your screen real estate, to me that a cool concept
[16:55] <Kilos> i just add workspaces, 10 gives me more than enough to do everything
[16:56] <cal_py> haha I would hope so!
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat, keep an eye open for kmf please, im hoping he gets here before the meeting starts
[17:05] <qwebirc2207> Hi
[17:05] <Kilos> hi qwebirc2207
[17:05] <Kilos> ah hi Iqbal
[17:06] <Kilos> im just eating then ill be back
[17:06] <Iqbal> Thanks for your help last week. I was out of town
[17:06] <Kilos> but hang around for our meeting at 20.30 too
[17:06] <Kilos> thats why we are here
[17:08] <Iqbal> My laptop miraculously started up with my Ubuntu 12 cd
[17:10] <Iqbal> I reinstalled 12, now just need to install the drivers for the wireless connection
[17:17] <Kilos> iq
[17:17] <Kilos> ai!
[17:51] <superfly> hi kmf
[17:51] <superfly> Kilos: here's kmf
[17:52] <Kilos> yay ty superfly
[17:52] <Kilos> kmf wb i was fretting
[17:52] <kmf> @Kilos @superfly relax :)
[17:52] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:52] <Kilos> ty
[17:52]  * superfly is always relaxed
[17:52] <superfly> kmf: this is not Twitter
[17:53] <Kilos> ya leave the @ out
[17:53] <kmf> Kilos, superfly jammer ... force of habit
[17:53] <Kilos> kmf i wanted to ask you a few things about the project
[17:53] <kmf> yes go for it
[17:54] <Kilos> there is some interest in the list as well, hope wwk can make it tonight
[17:54] <Kilos> first where are you going to do the work on the pcs
[17:55] <Kilos> if we can get you some helpers we will need to know that
[17:55] <kmf> excellent question ... my wife was asking the same thing
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:55] <Kilos> second question
[17:55] <kmf> ask all and I will respond when you are done
[17:55] <Kilos> where can you get pcs from to rebuild
[17:56] <Kilos> no man my brain works one thing at a time
[18:00] <inetpro> good  mornings
[18:00] <Kilos> ohi inetpro wb
[18:00] <superfly> morning inetpro
[18:01] <Kilos> thought the telkom server crash had got you as well
[18:01] <kmf> since it's community project the loco member can format and install a donated machine
[18:01] <inetpro> Kilos: no it's just an ordinary crash of the system at the end of another busy day
[18:02] <Kilos> they still havent got it fixed, since 11.30 this morning
[18:02] <kmf> Kilos, I can't be the single point of failure :) ... it's a distributed project for max impact
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: I mean my own system is just tired
[18:03] <Kilos> i have bento running on desktop in front of me with hexchat trying to connect
[18:04] <Kilos> inetpro get some 33% food grade peroxide
[18:04] <inetpro> kmf: where do we get old systems to refurbish?
[18:04] <kmf> as for the second question, Kilos, my mother is running a donation bank ... so she gets quite a few computers in
[18:04] <Kilos> 3 drops in a glass of water 3 times a day helps your system lekker
[18:04] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm good thanks
[18:04] <Kilos> haha
[18:05] <kmf> Kilos ... keeping you regular :)
[18:05] <Kilos> nono it helps for feeling tired and gets your system working properly
[18:05] <Kilos> the important things, not the poop tube
[18:05] <inetpro> any normal person needs a rest at the end of a working day
[18:06] <kmf> Kilos ... ah the "System" firing on all cylinders
[18:06] <Kilos> yip
[18:06] <Kilos> hi fusionsparc
[18:06] <Kilos> well kmf well try get you some helpers and then worry bout where to do it
[18:07] <fusionsparc> Hi Kilos...how are you?
[18:07] <Kilos> and then we push for the logo thing
[18:07] <inetpro> Kilos: don't stop asking the questions now
[18:07] <Kilos> good tyand you
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <kmf> Kilos need to disconnect and switch connections .... see you at 20:30
[18:07] <inetpro> can't get this 3letter dude get away so easily
[18:08] <fusionsparc> good...:)...the week is one day  shorter..
[18:08] <Kilos> ok kmf
[18:08] <Kilos> lol
[18:08] <Kilos> he has got me excited about this inetpro
[18:08] <Kilos> but i think we need to make the
[18:08] <Kilos> um
[18:09] <Kilos> um
[18:09] <Kilos> condition
[18:09] <Kilos> that he spends more time here
[18:10] <Kilos> Maaz google health benefits of taking food grade peroxide
[18:10] <Maaz> Kilos: "Food Grade Peroxide Cures - Earth Clinic" http://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/food-grade-hydrogen-peroxide-cures.html :: "Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide's Health Benefits - Livestrong.com" http://www.livestrong.com/article/491009-food-grade-hydrogen-peroxides-health-benefits/ :: "Food-Grade Hydrogen Peroxide Health Benefits - YouTube"
[18:10] <Maaz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXWXhp6aFuw :: "Hydrogen Peroxide natural traditional remedies - Grow Youthful" h…
[18:10] <Kilos> inetpro lees die goed
[18:11] <Kilos> you can ask ian how it has helped him
[18:11] <Kilos> you are too young to always be tired
[18:13] <Cryterion> Hi, meeting at 20:30?
[18:13] <Kilos> yip
[18:13] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm not that tired, seriously
[18:13] <Kilos> read the links
[18:13] <inetpro> just an excuse
[18:13] <Kilos> it helps for more than just tired
[18:14] <Kilos> i need you guys to live a long time still
[18:14] <Kilos> you have to hold the fort while im in aus
[18:14] <cal_py> how long you going for?
[18:14] <Kilos> 9 hour time zone diffs is heavy
[18:14] <Cryterion> you going down under Kilos
[18:14] <Kilos> 3 months hopefully
[18:15] <Cryterion> nice
[18:15] <inetpro> only 3 months?
[18:15] <cal_py> awesome
[18:15]  * inetpro thought it would be 3 years at least
[18:15] <Kilos> well thats how long they grant visas for
[18:15] <inetpro> eish!
[18:16] <Kilos> with luck it can be 20 years
[18:16] <Kilos> why you think im into health things
[18:16] <Cryterion> hmm, and here in africa you get 1month
[18:16] <Cryterion> max
[18:16] <Cryterion> per year
[18:16] <Kilos> ai!
[18:16] <inetpro> wow
[18:17] <Kilos> well costs to get there are much more
[18:17] <inetpro> Cryterion: where's that?
[18:17] <Cryterion> well business visa anyway
[18:17] <Cryterion> Zambia
[18:17] <Cryterion> 30days per year
[18:17] <inetpro> interesting
[18:17] <Kilos> what can a business accomplish in 1 month
[18:17] <Kilos> look for a workaround
[18:18] <Cryterion> don't try 20 in september then 20 following year in feb say, doesn't work
[18:18] <Cryterion> contractors
[18:18] <Kilos> eish
[18:18] <Kilos> im just gonna go rest
[18:18] <Kilos> and get to know my daughter
[18:19] <Kilos> and her mom of course
[18:19] <Kilos> oh ill be late tomorrow
[18:19] <Kilos> going hospital at 6 am
[18:19] <cal_py> you ok?
[18:20] <Kilos> ya just need prostate meds
[18:20] <cal_py> ahh ok
[18:20] <Kilos> but its a long thing in state hospitals
[18:21] <Kilos> inetpro think of some questions for the 3 letter man
[18:22] <Kilos> and explain this to me please
 Kilos, I can't be the single point of failure :) ... it's a distributed project for max impact
[18:22] <Kilos> we can maybe get approval and have subs in other areas
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: it's called cheap labor
[18:23] <Kilos> all ubuntu peeps are cheap labourers
[18:24] <inetpro> oom Kilos and his buddies are the ones who will do the work for free
[18:24] <Kilos> the payment is in the knowlege that you have done some good for others
[18:24] <Kilos> wb kmf
[18:25] <Kilos> chesedo you awake?
[18:25] <chesedo> hmm, don't know :P
[18:25] <Kilos> check you still got bot permisions
[18:25] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[18:25] <Langjan> Hi guys, Kilos
[18:26] <Langjan> How's progress Kilos ?
[18:26] <Kilos> one week to wait for clearance
[18:26] <Kilos> then they send it to visa peeps here in pton
[18:26] <Kilos> hope they dont use snail mail
[18:27] <Langjan> good, sorry ar you having meeting?
[18:27] <Kilos> hoping to be gone in under 1 month
[18:27] <dlPhreak> I made it.
[18:27] <Langjan> Great news
[18:27] <Kilos> you have to attend the meeting starting in 3 mins
[18:27] <Kilos> well done dlPhreak
[18:27] <chesedo> congrats dlPhreak :D
[18:28] <Langjan> I lost that link to say what to do
[18:28] <chesedo> Kilos: seems so
[18:28] <dlPhreak> Actually Im on my phone..
[18:28] <Kilos> just follow what i do Langjan
[18:28] <Kilos> dlPhreak as long as you are here
[18:29] <cal_py> sup dlPhreak
[18:29] <Kilos> and dont watch tv same time
[18:29] <chesedo> and now for the big countdown
[18:29] <dlPhreak> cal sup
[18:30] <chesedo> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - February 2016
[18:30]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:30] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:30] <chesedo> Hello all and thank you for joining in on our monthly meeting
[18:30] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:30] <Kilos> Maaz I am Miles Sharpe
[18:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[18:30] <chesedo> Please introduce yourselves to Maaz who will keep the minutes using `Maaz: I am <firstname lastname>` eg.
[18:30] <chesedo> Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht
[18:30] <Maaz> chesedo: Okay
[18:30] <kmf> Maaz I am Karl Fischer
[18:30] <Maaz> kmf: Okay
[18:30] <chesedo> the agenda for today's meeting can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20160223
[18:30] <chesedo> last minute changes are still welcome if anyone has any
[18:30] <Langjan> Maaz, I am Jan Greeff
[18:30] <Maaz> Langjan: Righto
[18:31] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:31] <Maaz> inetpro: Yessir
[18:31] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:31] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:31] <Kilos> dlPhreak cal_py sign in please
[18:31] <chesedo> the last meeting's minutes is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20160126
[18:31] <chesedo> please highlight anything that you might have from it
[18:31] <dlPhreak> Maaz I am Werner D Pienaar
[18:31] <Maaz> dlPhreak: Alrighty
[18:32] <cal_py> Maaz I am Callum
[18:32] <Maaz> cal_py: Done
[18:32] <Kilos> hi Sxuza you made it
[18:32] <Kilos> sign in please
[18:33] <Kilos> and fusionsparc superfly etc etc
[18:33] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:33] <Maaz> superfly: Righto
[18:33] <Kilos> ai! ghese peeps and multitasking
[18:33] <Kilos> these
[18:33] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Plans for 2016
[18:33] <Maaz> Current Topic: Plans for 2016
[18:34] <chesedo> short as always unless we have someone excited to sign the COC or to become a member :D...
[18:34]  * chesedo is also not spotting any new users
[18:34] <Kilos> we  can add the project in here as well chesedo
[18:35] <chesedo> Kilos: it is currently under plans...
[18:35] <Kilos> it will take 2016 to get going properly
[18:35] <Kilos> yes i didnt hink when adding it
[18:35] <Kilos> think
[18:35] <Kilos> sorry
[18:35] <williamk> Hi all
[18:36] <Kilos> needed more peroxide
[18:36] <Kilos> hi williamk welcome
[18:36] <chesedo> ok seems reasonable, but we will discuss today... so will move it up in future
[18:36] <chesedo> moving on?
[18:36] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Events
[18:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:37] <chesedo> no  known events happened last month?
[18:37] <chesedo> This will propably also be the last month for discussing if anyone will be hosting a release party for 16.04...
[18:37] <chesedo> also anyone looking to host an ubuntu hour etc. ?
[18:37] <Kilos> not really
[18:37] <Kilos> cds arrive quite a while after release date
[18:37] <cal_py> chesedo, yeah, but my bedroom dont count!
[18:38] <inetpro> chesedo: maybe kmf's project will give us more reason to get together more often
[18:38] <Kilos> yip
[18:38] <chesedo> yip
[18:38] <kmf> :)
[18:38] <chesedo> ok seems like we are moving over to kmf
[18:38] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <chesedo> *'s project
[18:38] <Kilos> we all excited
[18:39] <cal_py> can we talk about the project briefly?
[18:39] <Kilos> cal_py read the agenda
[18:39] <chesedo> cal_py: yes
[18:39] <Kilos> there is a short story there
[18:39] <chesedo> and that ^^
[18:40] <williamk> I have suggested a 16.04 release party on dbnlug
[18:40] <Kilos> go for it williamk
[18:40] <chesedo> williamk: and the response?
[18:40] <williamk> no one yet
[18:41] <inetpro> chesedo: have you changed topic yet?
[18:41] <chesedo> lol same here except for superfly that might have one
[18:41] <kmf> well did everyone read the brief?
[18:41] <superfly> sorry, what?
[18:42] <chesedo> inetpro: we are on events... want one specific for kmf?
[18:42] <inetpro> ah
[18:42] <Kilos> release party superfly
[18:42] <superfly> oh
[18:42] <superfly> I could host one. Dunno if anyone would come though.
[18:42] <chesedo> superfly: you mentioned that you might have a release party in last meeting (if mem correct)
[18:43] <Kilos> superfly just refresh us when is your debconf
[18:44] <superfly> July
[18:44] <chesedo> is everyone up-to-date about the Ubuntu for Hope project? and have any questions?
[18:44] <inetpro> kmf: did you plan to launch your project as part of a release party, how how did you plan to start?
[18:44] <Kilos> you gonna be busy in june arent you
[18:44]  * superfly doesn't seem to be getting everyone's e-mails of late
[18:44] <inetpro> or how*
[18:44] <kmf> inetpro: yes ... want to "ship" the Computers with a LTS
[18:44] <fusionsparc> not realy, lemme read the brief quicks.. :)
[18:45] <chesedo> Ubuntu for Hope - http://bin.snyman.info/mmmzy8ce
[18:45] <qwebirc91453>      hi all
[18:45] <fusionsparc> tnx chesedo
[18:45] <Kilos> iqbal  is that you?
[18:45] <kmf> kudos to superfly ... he wrote it :) my mangled words
[18:45] <chesedo> hi qwebirc91453
[18:46] <Kilos> haha the fly is my editor as well
[18:46] <chesedo> kmf: is the plan to the first ones out before/after 16.04?
[18:46] <Kilos> qwebirc91453 welcome to our meeting please join in
[18:46] <chesedo> *to have the
[18:46] <kmf> chesedo after
[18:46] <qwebirc91453> let me change chats will be back
[18:47] <Kilos> kmf are you planning on more than one flavour
[18:47] <Kilos> ohi kapanda
[18:47] <Kilos> i would like to see more kde peeps here
[18:47] <inetpro> I know kmf as a brave man who doesn't give up easily, so what tough questions can we ask him to give him all the reasons why this can't work?
[18:47] <kapanda> Ok Hi guys
[18:47] <kmf> Kilos hardware willing ..... I would like to go for Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mate
[18:47] <williamk> hi kapanda
[18:47] <Cryterion> Maaz: I am Gavin Bauer
[18:47] <Maaz> Cryterion: Alrighty
[18:48] <chesedo> ok, since since they are refurbished (possible low end) and for students guess will also eduUbuntu or on of the light flavours?
[18:48] <Cryterion> here, sorry late :(
[18:48] <kmf> inetpro are you asking?
[18:48] <theblazehen> Hi, late sorry
[18:48] <Kilos> kmf what kind of specs are we looking at
[18:48] <inetpro> kmf: am asking the others yes
[18:48] <Kilos> sign in please theblazehen kapanda
[18:49] <theblazehen> Maaz: I am Jeandre Le Roux
[18:49] <Maaz> theblazehen: Yessir
[18:49]  * inetpro hoping he will take on the challenge to prove to us otherwise
[18:49] <Kilos> type in maaz I am Name
[18:49] <kmf> Kilos 32bit / 64 bit 1 to 2 gigs of ram - Ubuntu Mate's Minimum specs
[18:49] <Kilos> kmf dont listen to the pro we will make it work
[18:50] <chesedo> inetpro -1
[18:50] <chesedo> :P
[18:50] <inetpro> ai! :-)
[18:50] <kapanda> how do i go about getting an Ubuntu membership
[18:50] <Cryterion> What drive space will Mate require, about?
[18:51] <kmf> here is the Ubuntu Mate specs -> https://ubuntu-mate.org/about/
[18:51] <fusionsparc> maaz I am JG du Preez
[18:51] <Maaz> fusionsparc: Sure
[18:51] <Kilos> under 2g ram is min
[18:51] <chesedo> kapanda: the basic guide is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership, but the peeps here should be able to help with some finer stuff
[18:51] <Kilos> but mate is nice and light
[18:51] <kmf> but obviously you want to be at least LibreOffice to be usable :)
[18:52] <chesedo> and browsing
[18:52] <williamk> kmf : 16.04 comes with LO 5.1 at the moment
[18:53] <Kilos> williamk you and kmf must chat more about this
[18:53] <williamk> I have been using 16.04 for about 2.5 months
[18:53] <kmf> chesedo some might not have internet access :)
[18:53] <chesedo> kmf: that true too
[18:53] <Kilos> if we ask for ubuntu approval we must do it once for country wide projects
[18:54] <kmf> Kilos yep ... Ubuntu legal wants to know if the Loco will or is supporting me :)
[18:54] <Cryterion> hmm, just checked, Ubuntu Mate is offered with the Raspberry PI, gonna be playing with it soon
[18:54] <Kilos> yes of course we are
[18:55] <Kilos> i only see hands up
[18:55] <williamk> kmf : I am supporting you
[18:55] <kapanda> what are we asking approval for from Ubuntu
[18:55]  * inetpro likes the idea, certainly hope that we can get it off the ground
[18:55] <inetpro> +1 from me
[18:55] <Kilos> ill help with the approval where i can kmf
[18:55] <kmf> I mean ... Canonical legal ...
[18:55] <Kilos> +1
[18:55] <Kilos> i have been the route with them once before
[18:55] <kmf> kapanda to use the Ubuntu Trademark for the "Ubuntu for Hope" project
[18:56] <Kilos> takes a while
[18:56] <fusionsparc> +1
[18:56] <Cryterion> +1
[18:56] <Kilos> superfly ??
[18:56] <Kilos> +1 time
[18:56] <kapanda> Ok sounds like a good plan. please send a link so I can read up
[18:56] <kmf> kapanda: http://bin.snyman.info/mmmzy8ce
[18:57] <superfly> +1
[18:57]  * Kilos thinks motion carried
[18:57] <chesedo> are all ok if we make the first goal "To be part of the Ubuntu for Hope project and make it a success"?
[18:57] <kmf> +1
[18:57] <Kilos> +1
[18:57] <_Sponge> ?
[18:57] <kapanda> Thanks
[18:57] <Cryterion> +1
[18:58] <williamk> +1
[18:58]  * chesedo now just wants to turn it into something solid
[18:58] <_Sponge> Wat is it, exactamundoly ?
[18:58] <kmf> _Sponge: http://bin.snyman.info/mmmzy8ce
[18:58]  * inetpro learns a new word
[18:58] <Kilos> haha ya
[18:59] <_Sponge> I got the paste-bin , but where's the website ?
[18:59] <kmf> _Sponge there is no website ...
[18:59] <kapanda> I would like to help, I have a similar project going. You have my support
[18:59] <_Sponge> there should be, but
[18:59] <kmf> I'm not doing the project without the support of the Loco
[19:00] <kmf> _Sponge can't use the word "Ubuntu" without permission from Canonical
[19:00] <Kilos> imo we are all solidly behind you kmf
[19:00] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed Year Goal - To be part of the Ubuntu for Hope project and to make it a success
[19:00] <Maaz> Agreed: Year Goal - To be part of the Ubuntu for Hope project and to make it a success
[19:00] <_Sponge> the use Lubuntu.
[19:01] <_Sponge> **then
[19:01] <williamk> I am behind you, i want to this in Durban
[19:01] <Kilos> _Sponge we will try get approval and then all different secyions run under kmf 's umbrella
[19:01] <Kilos> sections
[19:01] <Kilos> inetpro not so?
[19:01] <Cryterion> I'll help where I can in Durban aswell
[19:01] <_Sponge> that's not part of the eco-system, then.
[19:01] <kmf> Kilos ... I think I need to apply for Membership for street cred?
[19:01] <Kilos> whats that
[19:01] <_Sponge> it should have a launchpad page, at least !
[19:02] <chesedo> kmf: so when would you like to see the first get together to get the systems ready?
[19:02] <inetpro> Kilos: do we get to sign a birth certificate for the new project?
[19:02] <chesedo> inetpro: lol
[19:02] <kmf> chesedo not sure :) ... maybe in the 1st week May ... after 16.04 drops
[19:03] <Kilos> lol
[19:03] <kapanda> I can help in Jozi
[19:03] <kmf> superfly: see no "@"'s
[19:03] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:03] <inetpro> well done kmf! :-)
[19:03] <Kilos> oh kmf
[19:03] <Kilos> we have one condition
[19:04] <Kilos> you need to spend more time here
[19:04] <williamk> kmf : where about in the Tshwane area
[19:04] <kmf> williamk I stay in Pretoria East
[19:04] <kmf> williamk ... Tshwane East ;)
[19:05] <Kilos> and if my visa only last 3 months you can drop off 10 or 20 pcs here and ill do the installs
[19:05] <kapanda> speaking about spreading. Lesson that William proposed I think we need to look at that too
[19:05] <chesedo> kapanda: i agree
[19:05] <chesedo> it complements this nicely
[19:06] <inetpro> kmf: sounds like a good deal, you even get cheap labor as part of the deal there ^^
[19:06] <Kilos> hehe
[19:06] <Cryterion> lol
[19:06] <kmf> inetpro ... and also grow the Loco :)
[19:06]  * chesedo going to move to next section for william's project
[19:06] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[19:06] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:06] <williamk> kapanda :  you talking about Ubuntu Learning project : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning
[19:07] <kapanda> :-) yes
[19:08] <_Sponge> the ubuntu classsroom irc is never populated.
[19:08] <chesedo> williamk: the "Desktop Training" one?
[19:08] <kapanda> though people want certification for what they learn, we can plan an End user certification for SA
[19:08] <_Sponge> wats Sa ?
[19:08] <kapanda> South Africa
[19:08] <Kilos> ubuntu classroom is closing down
[19:08] <_Sponge> k
[19:09] <williamk> kmf : if you have a get together to get the systems ready, please make it on a weekend, I might drive up
[19:09] <_Sponge> Does the Loco group have any Ubuntu DVD's for 14.04, left over ?
[19:09] <Kilos> we have #linux-studies and can make a new channel if needed
[19:09] <kmf> williamk cool :D
[19:10] <_Sponge> Does the Loco group have a separate website like www.ubuntu-uk.org.uk ?
[19:10] <Kilos> _Sponge someone can download an iso for you
[19:10] <_Sponge> you didn't answer my question, but I'm thinking No.
[19:10] <inetpro> superfly: will you organise the DVD's for the new release again for us?
[19:10] <_Sponge> +1
[19:10] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org
[19:10] <kmf> reminds me of the OpenICDL
[19:10] <inetpro> _Sponge: ^
[19:11] <superfly> inetpro: I've never organised them
[19:11] <Kilos> also http://ubuntu-africa.info
[19:11] <inetpro> superfly: so who does it for us?
[19:11] <superfly> inetpro: I'm the secondary contact. Maia is still #1
[19:11] <Kilos> maia said she would still do it i think inetpro
[19:11] <inetpro> cool
[19:12] <Kilos> when is our re evaluation
[19:12] <Kilos> she will do that for /with us as well
[19:12] <williamk> kmf : OpenICDL is not the only certification that needs to be done
[19:13] <williamk> look at : http://www.ecdl.org/programmes/ecdl_icdl
[19:13] <_Sponge> you need to add "Ubuntu scocial" the the SocialMedia dropdown on ubuntu-za.org i.e. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Social
[19:13] <williamk> and http://www.ecdl.org/programmes/index.jsp?p=102&n=771
[19:14] <_Sponge> **social
[19:15] <chesedo> ecdl does not seem to be ubuntu specific?
[19:15] <chesedo> williamk ^^
[19:16] <kmf> chesedo it
[19:16] <williamk> chesedo there was icdl docs written, but in 2006 i think
[19:16] <kmf> chesedo it
[19:16] <Kilos> oh williamk there is a group in durbs doing refurbished pcs for other african countries
[19:16] <Kilos> do you have contact with them
[19:16] <kmf> chesedo: sorry ... coffee hasnt kicked in ... it's about teaching skills not an application
[19:16] <williamk> kilos don't know who they are
[19:17] <Kilos> oh my
[19:17] <_Sponge> Isv anyone listening to my concerns, here ?
[19:17] <_Sponge> **Is
[19:17] <Kilos> _Sponge we will get there
[19:17] <_Sponge> Also ...
[19:17] <Kilos> we only hve 13 mins left
[19:17] <_Sponge> Your not listed here : http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=388
[19:18] <chesedo> kmf and williamk: oh ok
[19:18] <Kilos> we had a forum but found irc more usefull
[19:18] <Kilos> and quicker
[19:18] <chesedo> a lot of locos seem to be missing there
[19:19] <_Sponge> that's not the point, you should be listed *Esp as some ppl can't afford VPN in S.Africa.
[19:19] <williamk> here is one of the modules : http://www.it.uom.gr/teaching/open/eng/Module2_Ubuntu5_10_eng.pdf
[19:19]  * chesedo just covering the other topics while we continue discussion
[19:20] <_Sponge> Look we only have 10 minutes left. Are we going to discuss your web-presence or not ?
[19:20] <chesedo> a list of possible Ubuntu-in-the-wild items can be found at https://trello.com/c/2hHvWUne if anyone wants to add to that later
[19:20] <Kilos> superfly inetpro ^^
[19:20] <chesedo> williamk: looking at it
[19:21] <williamk> look here for the rest of the modules : http://www.it.uom.gr/teaching/open/eng/
[19:21] <kmf> williamk ... localization is a big thing with Educational content ... and then keeping it up to date :)
[19:21]  * chesedo cannot believe 2006 was 10 years ago this year
[19:22] <dlPhreak> IKR chesedo
[19:23] <_Sponge> repeat: Look we only have 8 minutes left. Are we going to discuss your web-presence or not ?
[19:23] <chesedo> _Sponge: the web presence?
[19:23] <_Sponge> I've mentioned 2 things.
[19:23] <williamk> kmf : that is why you only make docs for LTS
[19:23] <Kilos> _Sponge can you get here during the days
[19:23] <_Sponge> probably.
[19:23] <kmf> williamk ... yep :D
[19:23] <Kilos> except for tomorrow i am here everyday
[19:23] <chesedo> _Sponge: i am trying to find it on the agenda to know how to channel it
[19:24] <chesedo> I forgot to get in touch with lugs about the linuxfestza thingy
[19:24]  * chesedo will make a hard note of it
[19:24] <Kilos> _Sponge have you joined us on launchpad and our mailing list
[19:24] <_Sponge> just make the changes to ubuntuforums.org and "Ubuntu social" on the drop down menu of your Loco Website :)
[19:25] <williamk> chesedo what is the linuxfestza thingy
[19:25] <_Sponge> no, I'm just here for this meeting.
[19:25] <Kilos> ok
[19:25] <_Sponge> 5 minutes to-go
[19:25] <_Sponge> You need to action what I've said.
[19:25] <superfly> _Sponge: says who?
[19:25] <chesedo> williamk: some of the lugs mentioned that they would like to have one
[19:25] <superfly> _Sponge: why?
[19:26] <superfly> _Sponge: who are you to tell us what we "must" do?
[19:26] <dlPhreak> I concur with superfly.
[19:26] <chesedo> ... and i am suppose to get in touch with all to check it
[19:26] <kmf> _Sponge the forums look like a Ghost town ...
[19:26] <_Sponge> bye bye. you have nothing to give ubuntu.
[19:26] <superfly> Idiot
[19:26] <Kilos> who is he
[19:26] <dlPhreak> Troll.
[19:26] <Cryterion> probably
[19:27] <dlPhreak> I so badly wanted to flame..
[19:27] <kapanda> Lol this is fun
[19:27] <dlPhreak> superfly handled it well.
[19:27] <chesedo> superfly: gj
[19:27]  * Cryterion agrees
[19:27] <Kilos> somehwere i did a trace to see where an ip was from
[19:27] <dlPhreak> gg superfly
[19:27] <superfly> I've had to deal with worse -_-
[19:27] <Kilos> ty superfly
[19:27] <superfly> Kilos: the Isle of Man
[19:27] <inetpro> oh my
[19:27] <dlPhreak> Hmmm.
[19:28] <Kilos> he comes from there and tells us what to do?
[19:28] <chesedo> last item, training program and goal...
[19:28] <chesedo> with the Ubuntu for Hope being quite big...
[19:29] <chesedo> will we continue to find out more about it and review the training one in 2-3 months?
[19:29] <Kilos> i think it has got off to a good start
[19:29] <Kilos> kmf we are all with you
[19:29] <Cryterion> kilos: http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip-lookup
[19:29] <kmf> Kilos awesome!
[19:29] <Kilos> ty Cryterion
[19:30] <Kilos> so you can tell them you have our full support
[19:30]  * chesedo guess we'll do that then
[19:30] <superfly> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2016-02-17
[19:30] <kapanda> So for the training program, what is the agreement?
[19:31] <superfly> he did something similar in one of Xubuntu's meetings
[19:31] <Kilos> aha
[19:31] <superfly> "<_Sponge> Crumbs, 10 minutes in, and we've not changed anything, yet. "
[19:31] <chesedo> kapanda: nothing solid yet, it seems to be to much in the air with kmf and williamk the only ones in the know
[19:32] <chesedo> kapanda: but will carry on discussing it
[19:32] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:32] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:32] <Kilos> williamk kmf try be here more and the guys will be more involved
[19:32] <Kilos> +1 for chesedo
[19:33] <kmf> +1
[19:33] <inetpro> +1 for chesedo
[19:33] <Cryterion> +1
[19:33] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed chesedo to chair next meeting
[19:33] <Maaz> Agreed: chesedo to chair next meeting
[19:33] <Kilos> ty chesedo you getting good at this
[19:33] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Next meeting
[19:33] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting
[19:33] <chesedo> ty Kilos
[19:34] <fusionsparc> +1
[19:34] <chesedo> it is on the 22nd right?
[19:34] <kapanda> +1
[19:34] <inetpro> looks right chesedo
[19:34] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed Next meeting is 22 March 2016 @ 20:30
[19:34] <Maaz> Agreed: Next meeting is 22 March 2016 @ 20:30
[19:35] <Kilos> yip
[19:35] <chesedo> thank you all for attending, hope to see again
[19:35] <inetpro> thanks for running another smooth meeting
[19:35] <chesedo> Maaz: end meeting
[19:35] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:35] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html
[19:35] <Kilos> yes ty chesedo and ty all for joining in
[19:36] <Kilos> lekker meeting
[19:36] <Kilos> ty superfly for sorting the noisy one
[19:36] <fusionsparc> Agreed, was great to be part.. :)
[19:37] <Cryterion> +1 to superfly
[19:37] <Kilos> we need to get um
[19:37] <Kilos> the security guy
[19:37]  * Cryterion votes superfly
[19:37] <fusionsparc> lol
[19:37] <dlPhreak> Is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct still a thing?
[19:37] <Kilos> he is ours yes
[19:38] <Cryterion> dlPhreak yes is
[19:38] <Kilos> but we have a pro security guy thats here sometimes
[19:38] <dlPhreak> Ah see. That is why I never say anything because I keep starting flame wars..
[19:38] <dlPhreak> Not my fault tho.
[19:38] <superfly> ah yes, I can op :-)
[19:39] <Kilos> superfly can you kick/ban that twit for us
[19:39] <Kilos> ban better
[19:39] <Kilos> all  he did was waste time
[19:40] <Kilos> dlPhreak have you joined us yet?
[19:40] <superfly> Kilos: I don't think he deserves it
[19:41] <Kilos> ok
[19:41] <superfly> Kilos: I doubt he'll bother us again
[19:41] <dlPhreak> The mailling list? Yes I have.
[19:41] <Kilos> yay
[19:41] <dlPhreak> Not that I will read the mail I have 800 unread emails. I just mark all as read every few months.
[19:42] <Kilos> i will tell you when you need to read mine
[19:42] <Kilos> hehe
[19:42] <dlPhreak> Deal. I might just forward it to my work email.
[19:43] <Kilos> i only mail serious stuff
[19:43] <inetpro> Kilos: is your Telkom mbile down completely?
[19:43] <inetpro> mobile*
[19:43] <Kilos> kmf you have to do all that canonical stuff via mail hey
[19:44] <Kilos> yip inetpro
[19:44] <inetpro> wow, why?
[19:44] <Kilos> lemme check desktop
[19:44] <Kilos> they had a server crash
[19:44] <inetpro> says who?
[19:44] <Kilos> and havent got all the areas back up again
[19:44] <kmf> Kilos yes
[19:44] <Kilos> i foned of course
[19:45] <Kilos> how do you prove you have our support kmf
[19:46] <kmf> Kilos: meeting minutes
[19:46] <Kilos> they can mail fly or i and find us in #locoteams
[19:46] <Kilos> oh yes
[19:46] <Kilos> #ubuntu-locoteams
[19:48] <Kilos> yip inetpro still down
[19:50] <Kilos> maybe i need to shower and sleep
[19:51] <Kilos> night all.  sleep tight. see you tomorrow avy
[19:51] <kmf> Kilos: bye
[19:51] <fusionsparc> night...
[19:52] <williamk> Good night all, bye
[19:56] <inetpro> good night kil[tab]
[19:57] <kmf> off to bed :D night
[19:57] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:57] <inetpro> g'night kmf
[19:57] <kmf> inetpro: bye
[20:04] <fusionsparc> Night guys, catch you maby tomorrow..
[20:07] <chesedo> bye all o/
[20:40] <qwebirc3264> Hi


[00:19] <santa_> about cantor it's only failing on my server, so false alarm unless your different ;)
[00:20] <santa_> * until you hear diffferent
[00:20] <santa_> I should got to sleep as well
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Hi all


 Thanks for letting us know @RikMills
 Just in case I somehow missed someone I will mention here. Lubuntu members today is the last day to vote in the special Lubuntu Council election. I plan to close the voting this evening (my time) in about 11 or so hours.
[11:22] <guiverc> thank you kc2bez for your diligence
 Of course.


[01:12] <IrcsomeBot1> Lionel Cdrc was added by: Lionel Cdrc
[01:30] <IrcsomeBot1> <Lionel Cdrc> hello everyone, I'm new to the group and new user of Kubuntu since I just installed the version 18.04 on my hp notebook 45 64 bits and I do not understand why its bug?
[05:24] <tomreyn> Lionel Cdrc: what does not seem to work then?
[05:27] <tomreyn> also, there does not seem to be a "hp notebook 45". there is a "HP ProBook 450 Laptop" product series. the exact model number you have is probably printed on the bottom.
[07:00] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:28] <ugur_ata> Hi. I am using Kubuntu 18.04 with default kernel 4.15. When I try to install a newer kernel it says "unsigned kernel you need to load the kernel first" on GRUB
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:39] <Captain_Haddock> Anybody have trouble accessing their Gopro in Kubuntu? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zPymVNMmym/
[11:39] <Captain_Haddock> My other cameras connect just fine.
[14:23] <IrcsomeBot1> iamalleksy was added by: iamalleksy
 Hello everyone!
 I have a trouble, when trying to install Kubuntu
 (Photo, 1280x233) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/0VSj3LM4/file_13744.jpg
 Any ideas how to fix?
 (Photo, 1280x699) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/f7N8RwMG/file_13745.jpg After waiting (close to a minute) I have such screen for a 10 minutes
[15:13] <john3voltas[m]> greetings
[15:16] <john3voltas[m]> installed kubuntu 18.04.2 on an HP probook 650 g1 laptop a couple of days ago.
[15:16] <john3voltas[m]> several issues already. can't make a vpn connection using fortisslvpn and networkmanager. it works fine from bash using openfortivpn command.
[15:19] <john3voltas[m]> also this laptop has been doing some weird stuff when i try to make it sleep. sometimes it simply doesn't work. sometimes it works...
[15:19] <john3voltas[m]> and sometimes it kinda works, meaning that it goes to sleep but keeps all the leds lit up as if it's still working. no video, no audio, no cpu fans moving but the leds are all lit up...
[15:21] <john3voltas[m]> a third question. in order to connect to a mail server's webmail, i need to use friggin' Entrust IdentityGuard which is sort of a 2FA app. it so happens that these morons from Entrust don't seem to have linux app.
[15:21] <john3voltas[m]> any workarounds? is WINE my sole option here?
[15:31] <silver_hook> I’m on 18.04 LTS and as of late Akonadi and MySQL started eating up a whole core.
[15:31] <silver_hook> Anyone figured how to fix this?
[15:32] <silver_hook> I tried `akonadictl fsck` and `akonadictl vacuum`, but it didn’t help.
[15:33] <silver_hook> It seems akonotes has something to do with it as well.
[16:07] <silver_hook> The Akonotes resource seems to include only stuff from Renku.
[16:07] <silver_hook> …I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that unicode characters in Renku seem missing.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> silver_hook, do you use kmail etc, in other words need akonadi-server
[16:18] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:20] <silver_hook> BluesKaj: Yes. And yes, I am aware of what Akonadi serves.
[16:21] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:22] <silver_hook> But akonadi-server (together with its childs mysql and akonadi_akonotes_resource) eating up a 200% of a CPU for days and days, even after reboots, is not normal.
[16:23] <silver_hook> Oh, I just noticed that there’s also dbus-daemon eating up 90% of a CPU (according to htop)
[16:23] <silver_hook> So basically all four cores are at 50% use at all times just because of those four processes.
[16:24] <silver_hook> BluesKaj: If I look at what akonadi_akonotes_resource contains in Akonadi Console, it is 10 notes that I have in Renku (the note-taking counterpart of Zanshin).
[16:25] <BluesKaj> silver_hook, wish i could help, but I've never used akonadi
[16:25] <silver_hook> BluesKaj: Thanks for the willingness at least :)
[16:26] <silver_hook> I’m wondering if this is something that is fixed in 18.10 or something I can fix locally.
[16:27] <BluesKaj> does akonadi do auto updates for it's db or ?
[16:27] <silver_hook> Hmm, odd. If in Akonadi Console I stop akonotes, the dbus and msysql process stop being a problem, but akonadiserver still thrashes 100-200%
[16:28] <silver_hook> Dunno, but I imagine it does.
[16:43] <silver_hook> Now I cleaned the Akonadi cache for the akonotes resource and restarted akonadiserver (and kept the akonotes resource offline). Now akonadi seems to behave perfectly fine, but the independant mysql process is still eating up a whole core.
[17:15] <silver_hook> OK, it seems to have gone away now by itself. Odd.
[17:33] <fructose> The DVD drive on my laptop keeps randomly clicking, as though it's looking for a disc. What's the quickest way to try and fix that if I don't ever use the thing and would be happy to disable it completely?
[17:39] <mparillo> I would guess there is a BIOS setting (never tried it myself)
[17:45] <fructose> I was also thinking trying to rmmod whatever drivers its using, but don't know the wisdom of that.
[19:37] <foormea> hey. i realise this is #kubuntu and not #ubuntu+1 but i have an issue: alt-2 and alt-7 stop working as shortcuts in firefox after computer comes out of sleep mode. i see weird output with xev. if i temporarily assign alt-2 and alt-7 to random shortcuts (then unassign), it works just fine and xev output becomes just fine too. i've got xev logs. what package do you reckon i should file this issue against? thanks
[19:46] <genii> foormea: Probably against the firefox package, if it needs to go elsewhere a dev will probably do it from there
[19:47] <genii> ( like if it's some kernel scheduling issue, etc )
[20:20] <foormea> genii: thanks for your response, i'll see what i can do :)
[20:22] <genii> Glad to assist
[20:55] <john3voltas[m]> if someone noticed my previous messages here, i was having trouble with networkmanager and fortisslvpn on kubuntu 18.04.2.
[20:58]  * john3voltas[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/iVwmkFCQLzcTetuKOVUoLUmU >


[06:49] <dholbach> Packaging Training: Fixing small bugs in Ubuntu: in 10 minutes - http://is.gd/bLixO
[06:56] <ajmitch> arg, lernid hates me today :)
[06:56] <imbrandon> heh
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning everybody - who's here for the packaging training session today?
[07:01] <dholbach> I've never used classbot before, so I suppose you need to ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[07:02] <dholbach> so if you could please join that, I'd appreciate it
[07:02] <dholbach> so who's here for the packaging training session today? :)
[07:03] <dholbach> hum, ajmitch and imbrandon are sure going to know all of this already - maybe we should move back the session by 2h or something?
[07:04] <dholbach> alright, let's do it now then :)
[07:05] <dholbach> so I picked a few "easier" bugs that weren't solved yet, and we'll have a look at them and see what we can do about them
[07:06] <dholbach> while we investigate them I'll try to explain a bit more about the processes in ubuntu, the tools, etc. so the next time you hit a somewhat similar (but different) situation you know what to do, who to talk to, etc
[07:06] <dholbach> if you have any questions, or if I'm wrong or I don't make sense or go to fast or slow, please speak up in #ubuntu-classroom-chat :)
[07:07] <dholbach> alright
[07:07] <dholbach> first of all, let's install a few packages we're going to need:
[07:07] <dholbach>   sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends libtool ubuntu-dev-tools debhelper cdbs pbuilder build-essential
[07:08] <dholbach>  - build-essential gives you tools to compile packages
[07:09] <dholbach>  - cdbs and debhelper contain scripts that streamline the packaging of applications
[07:09] <dholbach>  - pbuilder is a tool to test-build packages in a sane environment
[07:10] <dholbach>  - ubuntu-dev-tools contains a few useful scripts for developing on Ubuntu (and will pull in devscripts that contains even more useful scripts for developing and packaging :-))
[07:10] <dholbach>  - libtool is required by one of the packages we'll work on later on
[07:10] <dholbach> ok... a tiny bit of preparation now - I'll keep this short
[07:11] <dholbach> Please make sure you have "source package entries" enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:11] <dholbach> a    grep deb-src /etc/apt/sources.list    will make sure
[07:12] <dholbach> System → Administration → Software Sources → Software → Sources     will work too
[07:12] <dholbach> (I hope that's what it's called in English, I use a German Ubuntu over here.)
[07:13] <dholbach> next please edit ~/.pbuilderrc
[07:13] <dholbach> (if it's not there, create it)
[07:13] <dholbach> and please add this entry
[07:13] <dholbach> COMPONENTS="main universe multiverse restricted"
[07:13] <dholbach> save it
[07:14] <dholbach> next please edit ~/.bashrc (if you use the bash shell - if you use something else, edit the appropriate settings)
[07:14] <dholbach> and add
[07:14] <dholbach> export DEBFULLNAME='Daniel Holbach'
[07:14] <dholbach> export<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:14] <dholbach> please use your own name and email address :-)
[07:14] <dholbach> thanks!
[07:15] <dholbach> next please run
[07:15] <dholbach>   source ~/.bashrc
[07:15] <dholbach> (or restart your terminal session)
[07:15] <dholbach> next please run
[07:15] <dholbach>   sudo pbuilder create
[07:15] <dholbach> (this will take a while)
[07:15] <dholbach> now what did we do
[07:16] <dholbach> 1) we enabled a source package entry for apt so we can get the source of all packages very easily
[07:16] <dholbach> 2) told pbuilder that it should use all components by default
[07:17] <dholbach> 3) gave a lot of packaging tools a bit more information about ourselves (so we don't need to type in our name and email manually all the time)
[07:17] <dholbach> all good up until now?
[07:18] <dholbach> rock and roll
[07:18] <dholbach> ok, here's our first bug
[07:18] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mime-support/+bug/567527
[07:19] <dholbach> arand asks "existing gpg-key is assumed? Or not required in this case?"
[07:19] <dholbach> it's not required, but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto is a good guide to get it set up
[07:20] <dholbach> awesome, now we can speak in here too :)
[07:20] <dholbach> thanks again pleia2 :)
[07:20] <pleia2> sure thing :)
[07:20] <dholbach> ok, back to our mime-support bug
[07:20] <dholbach> apparently there's a typo in there: "form" should be "from"
[07:20] <dholbach> let's get the source and find out
[07:21] <dholbach>   apt-get source mime-support
[07:21] <dholbach> it's always good to read and understand the whole bug report before you start... Scott Ritchie found out that it's a problem in cautious-launcher
[07:22] <dholbach> daniel@miyazaki:~/mime-support-3.48$ find . -name cautious-launcher
[07:22] <dholbach> ./debian/cautious-launcher
[07:22] <dholbach> daniel@miyazaki:~/mime-support-3.48$
[07:22] <dholbach> so cautious-launcher is a script that lives in the debian directory of the source, it should be safe for us to just go and edit it and fix the bug (we'll hit a different case later on where it's not that straight-forward)
[07:23] <dholbach> so go and edit the file, and change "form" to "from"
 otherwise   grep -r "form an untrused" .  in the source directory would point out the file ;)
[07:23] <dholbach> arand is right :)
[07:24] <dholbach> next we need to document what we just did and update the version number of the package
[07:24] <dholbach> please run
[07:24] <dholbach>   dch -i
[07:24] <dholbach> dch is a very useful script from devscripts that deals with editing debian/changelog - it should have added a new entry for you and added your name and email
[07:25] <dholbach> let's go through the format of the changelog entry real quick
[07:25] <dholbach> first up is the name of the source package
[07:25] <dholbach> then we have the version number, in our case 3.48-1ubuntu2
[07:26] <dholbach> which means: upstream version (released by the software authors) is 3.48, 1st revision in debian, 2nd revision in ubuntu
[07:26] <dholbach> it shows quite well the flow of the software in terms of releases
[07:26] <dholbach> upstream → debian → ubuntu
[07:27] <dholbach> that's something we care about a lot, which is why James Westby's comment in the bug report is important too, he says that it's an ubuntu-specific script, so in this case we don't necessarily need to forward the change to debian or upstream, but maybe we want to send the whole script to them at some stage
[07:28] <dholbach> ok, getting back to changelog entry
[07:28] <dholbach> mime-support (3.48-1ubuntu2) lucid; urgency=low
[07:29] <dholbach> next up is the version of ubuntu we want to upload it to (lucid in our case)
[07:29] <dholbach> and the urgency we can ignore for now - while Launchpad now supports urgency (I've been told) it's rarely used
[07:29] <dholbach> my actual changelog entry looks like this
[07:29] <dholbach> * debian/cautious-launcher: "form" → "from" (LP: #567527)
[07:30] <dholbach> it mentions the file we changed, mentions what we changed and also mentions the launchpad bug in a special format
[07:30] <dholbach> it's important to refer to some kind of discussion of the problem in the changelog, so it's clearer to others later on
[07:31] <dholbach> this special format will also make sure the bug gets automatically closed when we upload the package
[07:31] <dholbach> next please run:
[07:31] <dholbach>    debuild -S -sa -us -uc
[07:31] <dholbach> and if it asks you about some tarball that's missing, please just say "yes" :)
[07:32] <dholbach> that's a packaging mistake we probably shouldn't get ourselves into right now - not our fault
[07:32] <dholbach> did that pan out alright for everybody?
[07:32] <dholbach> did anybody get lost along the way?
[07:33] <dholbach> excellent
[07:34] <dholbach> if you now would please run:
[07:34] <dholbach>  cd ..
[07:34] <dholbach>  debdiff mime-support_3.48-1ubuntu{1,2}.dsc
[07:34] <dholbach> and paste the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com I'd appreciate it
[07:34] <dholbach> and I'll do a quick review
 what is the significance of the arguments in this command? debuild -S -sa -us -uc
[07:35] <dholbach> good question bbordwell
[07:36] <dholbach> "-us -uc" will tell debuild (which will pass this on to dpkg-buildpackage) to not try to sign the source package or changes file with your gpg key later on
[07:36] <dholbach> we just do this because we didn't set up the gpg key together
[07:36] <dholbach> (use the link above and you should be fine and can drop -us -uc in the future)
[07:37] <dholbach> "-S" will tell debuild to rebuild the source package as opposed to build the .deb package itself
[07:37] <dholbach> "-sa" is just necessary if you want to upload the source package somewhere
[07:37] <dholbach> so did you post your patches to some pastebin?
[07:37] <dholbach> can I have the links?
[07:38] <dholbach> "debdiff mime-support_3.48-1ubuntu{1,2}.dsc" and paste the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:39] <dholbach> also: to test-build the package, run    sudo pbuilder build mime-support_3.48-1ubuntu2.dsc
[07:40] <dholbach> a note on pbuilder: it will set up a chrooted environment which will just contain a bare base system, then install all the necessary packages to build that source package, then tear it down again
[07:41] <dholbach> the obvious advantages of this are: the package will be built in a clean and sane environment as opposed to your probably quite modified system and you don't have to install<PHONE_NUMBER>3 of -dev packages and build-dependencies
 Is this what you were looking for? http://paste.ubuntu.com/424428/
 http://pastebin.com/dDuWneYc
[07:41] <dholbach> arand: this looks good
[07:42] <dholbach> bbordwell: is that the changes file?
[07:42] <dholbach> bbordwell: can you post the output of the debdiff command?
[07:42] <dholbach>  debdiff mime-support_3.48-1ubuntu{1,2}.dsc
[07:43] <dholbach> (lp:567527) needs to be (LP: #567527) for Launchpad to trigger the closing of the bug
[07:43] <dholbach> but as far as I can see this looks good already
[07:43] <dholbach> so once you have 1) found a fix, 2) test-built the package, 3) tested it you can proceed to
[07:44] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess (I'll give you some links later on again) which explains how to get a patch uploaded to Ubuntu
[07:49] <dholbach> ok, let's crack on - bbordwell just had some issues, we hope to have figured them out
[07:49] <dholbach> next bug
[07:49] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu/+bug/538221
[07:49] <dholbach> ok, this one is a big misleading
[07:50] <dholbach> it says that the bug is in app-install-data-ubuntu which is the package that contains all the package descriptions for software-center (and gnome-app-install)
[07:50] <ClassBot> There are are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[07:50] <dholbach> you need to know that app-install-data-ubuntu is generated from lots and lots of other packages, so very rarely the bug will be in app-install-data-ubuntu itself
[07:51] <dholbach> to find out which package is actually concerned, I tried this:
[07:51] <dholbach> daniel@miyazaki:~$ apt-cache search wiimote whiteboard
[07:51] <dholbach> gtkwhiteboard - GTK+ Wiimote Whiteboard
[07:51] <dholbach> daniel@miyazaki:~$
[07:51] <dholbach> so we'll do a similar dance as last time again :-)
[07:51] <dholbach>   apt-get source gtkwhiteboard
[07:52] <dholbach>   cd gtkwhiteboard-1.3+dfsg/
[07:52] <dholbach>   grep -ri whitebaord .
[07:52] <dholbach> will show you where the typo turned up
[07:53] <dholbach> luckily, again it's just in files that were added by the packaging (that live in debian/)
[07:54] <dholbach> so please go and fix all of these 3 files
[07:55] <ClassBot> There are are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[07:56] <dholbach> ok, when you're done, document it again
[07:56] <dholbach>   dch -i
[07:57] <dholbach> then run
[07:57] <dholbach>   update-maintainer
[07:57] <dholbach> then
[07:57] <dholbach>   debuild -S -us -uc
[07:58] <dholbach> what update-maintainer does is: change the Maintainer name/email in debian/control to preserver the debian maintainer in a different variable and set an ubuntu mailing list as maintainer
[07:59] <dholbach> that's something our friends at debian asked us to do so they don't get bug mail for changes that were introduced in Ubuntu, etc :)
[07:59] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField for more info :)
[08:00] <dholbach> ok, again send me the output of the debdiff command
[08:00] <dholbach>   cd ..
[08:00] <dholbach>   debdiff gtkwhiteboard_1.3+dfsg-5.2{,ubuntu1}.dsc
[08:00] <dholbach> in the meantime a few links that will probably help you
[08:01] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted links to all the bits that are useful along your way
[08:01] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide for a quick tutorial for the packaging basics
[08:01] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment for more info about the ubuntu development processes
[08:01] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess for getting changes uploaded into Ubuntu
[08:02] <dholbach> did anyone get the whitebaord debdiff? :)
[08:03] <dholbach> are there any more questions?
 dholbach: If bugs are assigned to the wrong package, they should be reassigned (the one in gtkwhiteboard)
[08:04] <dholbach> aburch: yes, totally
[08:05] <dholbach> whatever new you find out, you should put add as information to the bug report
[08:05] <dholbach> so even if you don't manage to fix the bug completely the next one attempting has that info already :)
 I'm not sure really how to do the changelog on this one, it seems a bit much stating all the files cahnged, and a bit little to omit it completely..: http://pastebin.com/aGiMBSYg
[08:06] <dholbach> arand: this looks good - I personally absolutely wouldn't mind listing all the files, but that's a matter of preference :)
[08:07] <dholbach> also... if you found you like working on bugs and getting packages fixed, consider dropping in #ubuntu-packaging or #ubuntu-motu
[08:07] <dholbach> and ask all the questions you have there
[08:08] <dholbach> there are lots of really helpful people in there who will help you get started
[08:08] <dholbach> thanks a lot everybody for attending
[08:08] <dholbach> you ROCK!
[08:08] <ajmitch> thanks dholbach!
[08:08] <dholbach> next week is Ubuntu Open Week and we'll have a bunch of sessions related to development there too
[08:08] <dholbach> it'll be awesome
[20:20] <ubuntu> +
[21:05] <simar> hello ppl isn't a way of attending the study material of today's classroom if somone was absent at that time ??????
[21:08] <joaopinto> simar, check the irc logs, google: ubuntu irc logs
[21:09] <simar> joaopinto, is the classrooms conducted only via chat ??? 2days wad that of danial
[21:09] <simar> ??
[21:09] <joaopinto> yes, only via chat
[21:11] <simar> joaopinto,  ok fne
[21:13] <simar> joaopinto, could you help me about triaging bugs ... i have read how to triage guide ... n i feel it insufficient knowledge to start triaging .....  like i don't know what bugs to triage  ... n many more things???
[21:13] <simar> plz help
[21:13] <joaopinto> simar, this is not a support channel, the best channel to get help with bugs traging is #ubuntu-bugs
[21:13] <joaopinto> triaging
[21:15] <simar> joaopinto,  but nobody replies there ... is it like question should be adressed to someone or????
[21:15] <joaopinto> it means you need to wait for someone to become available
[21:17] <simar> ok


[00:44] <crimsun> one sound bug down, five million remaining
[00:44] <fta> :)
[00:45] <crimsun> should fix your recording with external mic, too, fta
[00:47] <fta> i'd prefer the asserts and choppy sound bugs fixed 1st :P
[00:49] <fta> asac, i have a problem with the branding.. the desktop icon is the abrowser icon unconditionally
[00:52] <fta> asac, nm
[01:56] <fta> crimsun, E: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hw:0: Device or resource busy
[01:56] <fta> E: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-sink" (argument: "device_id=0 sink_name=alsa_output.pci_8086_27d8_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0 tsched=1"): initialization failed.
[01:56] <fta> but:
[01:56] <crimsun> hrm
[01:56] <fta> fta@ix:~ $ sudo lsof -n | grep snd
[01:56] <fta> mixer_app  9089        fta   26u      CHR      116,9                13165 /dev/snd/controlC0
[01:57] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/94006/
[01:58] <fta> crimsun, it crashed while playing o-a
[01:58] <fta> Dec 28 02:26:54 ix last message repeated 101 times
[01:58] <fta> Dec 28 02:26:54 ix pulseaudio[9029]: asyncmsgq.c: Assertion 'pa_asyncq_push(a->asyncq, &i, TRUE) == 0' failed at pulsecore/asyncmsgq.c:164, function pa_asyncmsgq_send(). Aborting.
[01:59] <fta> i was packing a big tarball so it was with a lot of I/O
[01:59] <crimsun> fta: thanks
[01:59] <fta> but it's a dual core, it should not impact the sound
[03:23] <asac> fta: mozilla bug 421611
[03:32] <fta> asac, i'll read that tomorrow, too long :P
[03:34] <fta> asac, btw, i no longer tweak APPNAME, the profile patch is now as simple as http://paste.ubuntu.com/94045/
[03:35] <asac> good
[03:35] <asac> if that gives what we want ;)
[03:35] <asac> did they eliminate the "org/product" two-name constrainted finally?
[03:35] <asac> s/org/vendor/
[03:36] <fta> seems like it
[03:39] <asac> damn so i managed to not trigger click event when this auto activation menu thing happens ... and then its not the cause :/
[03:40] <asac> hell whats the reason ;)
[03:53] <Jazzva> crimsun: noticed that you uploaded a new patch. I think I tried that now (started with trial & error method, removing stac92xx_set_config_reg(...) one by one),  but now I'm compiling again.
[03:54] <fta> -4°C here, brrrr
[03:54] <Jazzva> fta: same here... was -6 few hours ago.
[03:58] <Jazzva> crimsun: I tried to copy over all stac92xx_set_config_reg(...) calls from DELL_STAC_BIOS case to DELL_STAC_3ST, and it didn't change anything. the sound was there, but external mic didn't work
[03:59] <Jazzva> of course, I didn't change that SND_PCI_QUIRK from _3ST to _BIOS
[03:59] <Jazzva> another reboot...
[03:59] <fta> damn, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20771571/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-amd64.xulrunner-1.9.2_1.9.2~a1~hg20081228r23135%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:00] <fta> /usr/bin/ld: libxul.so: hidden symbol `deflate' isn't defined
[04:11] <crimsun> Jazzva: i'm fairly certain your issue with the original patch is caused by spdif collision
[04:11] <crimsun> Jazzva: your codec's init setup is completely different, so you can't use the wholesale copying
[04:11] <Jazzva> noticed that in the new patch, i have to reboot again to test _take3.diff
[04:11] <crimsun> Jazzva: this is what i meant by serious regressions =)
[04:12] <Jazzva> crimsun: heh :). brb
[04:17] <Jazzva> crimsun: still fading out...
[04:18] <crimsun> Jazzva: with take3?
[04:19] <Jazzva> crimsun: is it possible that it is at some other place in the code, since I tried moving calls of stac92xx_set_... from DELL_STAC_BIOS to DELL_STAC_3ST, and it did nothing (as in the sound was there, no fading out, ext mic not working)
[04:19] <Jazzva> crimsun: yes, take3
[04:19] <crimsun> Jazzva: well, the problem is in the actual initialisation
[04:20] <crimsun> Jazzva: all those were attempts to avoid having to rewrite an init verb table
[04:20] <crimsun> looks like i'll have to look into that, though
[04:20] <crimsun> Jazzva: per chance do you have a windows INF for that laptop?
[04:21] <Jazzva> no, I don't think so. I can try to find it...
[04:27] <Jazzva> crimsun: found two inf files on Dell's download site. I'll upload them and give you the links
[04:28] <crimsun> great, thanks
[04:28] <Jazzva> crimsun: thank you :)
[04:28] <crimsun> this is going to suck
[04:29] <crimsun> thanks to the reworking of the entire jack infrastructure, any work i do on this for jaunty is thrown away and already obsolete
[04:30] <Jazzva> crimsun: this is gonna be changed soon?
[04:30] <crimsun> Jazzva: it's already obsolete upstream
[04:30] <crimsun> current git head has a _completely_ different jack infrastructure
[04:30] <Jazzva> crimsun: ah... well, if you have to rewrite it later, maybe you don't need to work on it right now...
[04:30] <crimsun> i mean, it's a good thing, because the whole jack thing was horrible (and you can see)
[04:31] <crimsun> nah, i can rewrite it fairly easily against the new semantics
[04:31] <crimsun> it's just fixing it against the old one that's going to hurt =)
[04:33] <Jazzva> crimsun: www.jazzva.com/ubuntu/stwrt.inf and www.jazzva.com/ubuntu/stwrt64.inf
[04:33] <crimsun> thanks
[04:34] <Jazzva> np
[04:35] <Jazzva> ok, off for another reboot, to return sound at least. and then off to sleep :). good night
[06:22] <crimsun> oh man, i'm an idiot
[06:23] <crimsun> Jazzva: ok, so forget the patches; i went back and read the data sheets
[06:23] <crimsun> Jazzva: so 'Mic' is your built-in array (digital); 'Front Mic' is actually your _external mic_
[06:24] <crimsun> completely different from the realtek semantics :/
[09:23]  * gnomefreak realy hates stupid warning that cant be fixed localely
[09:25] <gnomefreak> j evelution
[09:26] <gnomefreak> camn
[11:10] <gnomefreak> why are people closing our tasks because it was fixed upstream? that should not happen unless it hit our archives
[13:02] <asac> gnomefreak: ++
[13:02] <asac> saw that too
[13:02] <asac> what was his name?
[13:02] <gnomefreak> i commented on them
[13:02] <asac> (i cant remember)
[13:02] <gnomefreak> not sure off hand give me a minute
[13:03] <asac> Martin Mai  i think
[13:03] <asac> seems not
[13:04] <asac> is tbird 3.0 gnome-support integration fixed?
[13:04] <asac> fta_: ?
[13:04] <gnomefreak> asac: Martin Mai
[13:04] <asac> i am still on 2.0
[13:04] <asac> gnomefreak: oh ... then i was really right ;)
[13:04] <gnomefreak> im on 3.0 and havent seen -gnome-support problems
[13:04] <gnomefreak> asac: yep i was just slow :)
[13:04] <asac> gnomefreak: just tell him that thats wrong and he has to look at the "fixedx.x.x" tag to check whether it was rolled out to a versoin we ship
[13:05] <asac> gnomefreak: a week or so ago gnome-support didnt work for http:// proto handler
[13:05] <asac> e.g. firefox wouldnt open
[13:05] <gnomefreak> i asked him if it was fixed in Ubuntu version and if i get answers i will open them as confirmed
[13:05] <asac> gnomefreak: did you ask all extension authors for a license file?
[13:05] <gnomefreak> brings me to google search page
[13:06] <asac> seems like we will not be able to release things without that anymore
[13:06] <asac> gnomefreak: you can check by looking in upstream task
[13:06] <gnomefreak> asac: yes i have some that either refuse to answer or just havent yet its been over a month or 2
[13:06] <asac> mozilla was "fixed3.0.5, verified 3.0.5" in whiteboard
[13:06] <asac> if it was committed to that tversion
[13:06] <asac> you can easily check that
[13:06] <gnomefreak> all that i poushed to PPA are done and ready
[13:07] <asac> by looking in bugzilla bug
[13:07] <asac> gnomefreak: from the last batch there were a few rejections by archive admins
[13:07] <asac> did you contact those? e.g. chatzillla
[13:07] <gnomefreak> this is what i get from above link http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=http%3A%2F%2F+proto+handler
[13:07] <gnomefreak> asac: i havent seen emails for them
[13:08] <asac> gnomefreak: i think everything was rejected
[13:08] <gnomefreak> shouldnt have been
[13:08] <asac> gnomefreak: so we should go through all branches and see what hasnt a license file ... and ping
[13:08] <asac> upstream
[13:08] <gnomefreak> define upstream
[13:08] <asac> author
[13:08] <asac> extension author
[13:08] <gnomefreak> auther rejected the packages?
[13:08] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... archive admins
[13:09] <asac> because of missing license in orig
[13:09] <gnomefreak> none are missing if i put them on PPA
[13:09] <asac> gnomefreak: dont understand what you mean
[13:09] <gnomefreak> License.txt is there
[13:09] <gnomefreak> in source
[13:09] <asac> gnomefreak: probably not in .upstream
[13:09] <asac> tree
[13:09] <asac> only in .ubuntu
[13:09] <gnomefreak> some are in dir. in source
[13:10] <gnomefreak> we have copyright in debian dir
[13:10] <asac> gnomefreak: yes thats not good enough ... "upstream" has to add license file to top level dir
[13:10] <asac> so it is in the orig.tar.gz we produce
[13:10] <gnomefreak> find me the ones that rejected and i will show you where it is
[13:10] <gnomefreak> yes
[13:10] <asac> gnomefreak: chatzilla
[13:10] <asac> gnomefreak: i think pretty much all that i uploaded from you
[13:11] <asac> were rejected because of upstrema doesnt have license file
[13:11] <asac> well ... i mean in the recent past
[13:11] <asac> flashgot too
[13:11] <asac> i think
[13:11] <asac> chatzilla nd flashgot
[13:11] <asac> for now
[13:11] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~/extension_builds/chatzilla/work/chatzilla.ubuntu/compon
[13:11] <gnomefreak> ents$
[13:11] <gnomefreak> see that file for license
[13:12] <asac> gnomefreak: where?
[13:12] <gnomefreak> its a java file only one in there
[13:12] <gnomefreak> in componeents
[13:12] <asac> gnomefreak: doesnt really matter ... what we need is a upstream license in top level dir
[13:12] <gnomefreak> chatzilla-service.js
[13:12] <asac> and that needs to be in .upstream ... not just in ubuntu
[13:12] <asac> gnomefreak: thats not a license file
[13:13] <asac> gnomefreak: thats a file that has a license header ... but a license file needs to be named: "license.txt or COPYING or something" and requires the full license text
[13:13] <gnomefreak> it has it in there as for separate one we cant add it to source and sutors all said they are there
[13:14] <asac> gnomefreak: tell them that license headers in files are not explicit enough
[13:14] <asac> gnomefreak: we need full license
[13:14] <asac> in top level dir
[13:14] <gnomefreak> it's in a license block. you want we can easily fix it but i dont if we should add it
[13:14] <asac> gnomefreak: do you have mail exchange where author said that?
[13:15] <asac> gnomefreak: license block isnt good enough ... we need full license in top level dir in a LICENSE.txt file
[13:15] <gnomefreak> asac: not anymore i had posted them in pastebin but im sure they have been expired
[13:15] <asac> gnomefreak: otherwise the things are left in limbo for us
[13:15] <gnomefreak> do we add them?
[13:15] <asac> gnomefreak: do you delete mail exchange?
[13:15] <asac> gnomefreak: no authors have to
[13:15] <asac> in their .xpi upload
[13:16] <gnomefreak> asac: of course other wise i would have too much clutter in mail
[13:16] <gnomefreak> that i will email them this week sometime
[13:16] <gnomefreak> a list of the ones you tryed to push and were rejected would be nice
[13:16] <asac> gnomefreak: you should really forward me if authors reject that idea
[13:16] <asac> for whatever reason
[13:16] <asac> so i can try to bug them too (maybe i have more luck)
[13:16] <gnomefreak> i have 10 or so eextensions
[13:17] <asac> gnomefreak: please check ... i just remember chatzill and flashgot
[13:17] <asac> but i might have missed one or the other
[13:17] <gnomefreak> asac: where do i look
[13:17] <asac> gnomefreak: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive
[13:17] <gnomefreak> i know you didnt push a few but i dont remember what ones they were,
[13:18] <asac> thats where archive admins send reject mails
[13:18] <asac> gnomefreak: i think i pushed all except those that have a bad  branch
[13:18] <asac> (e.g. the one where you didnt have any .upstream branch)
[13:18] <gnomefreak> asac: i have all upstream branches
[13:18] <asac> gnomefreak: rejecting bugmail-extension   Jonathan Riddell
[13:19] <asac> rejecting chatzilla   Jonathan Riddell
[13:19] <asac> gnomefreak: those are the too i think
[13:19] <asac> two
[13:19] <gnomefreak> he rejected due to inceweasel-* already in archive
[13:19] <gnomefreak> asac: read bug reports
[13:19] <asac> gnomefreak: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2008-December/023517.html
[13:19] <gnomefreak> he commented on them
[13:19] <asac> gnomefreak: doesnt matter ... the rejection reason is in mail
[13:19] <asac> above
[13:19] <asac> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2008-December/023488.html
[13:20] <gnomefreak> he should keep reasons the same
[13:21] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont mind for bugs ;) ubuntu-archive counts
[13:21] <gnomefreak> i commented about him rejecting due to iceweasel packages and after upload he rejected for a differnet reason
[13:21] <asac> gnomefreak: i think i clarified to him that iceweasel isnt a problem
[13:22] <asac> i think it was just a question
[13:22] <gnomefreak> he should have said that on bug report so i would know
[13:22] <asac> he rejected because of license
[13:22] <gnomefreak> thats why they are there
[13:22] <asac> gnomefreak: lets not end up in a meta debate ... as a matter of fact the license is missing ;)
[13:22] <asac> everything else i would have punched through and kicked his ass for it ;)
[13:22] <asac> gnomefreak: dont ask me why he does that
[13:23] <gnomefreak> asac: will be fixed but i jus thought bug reports were ther for thast
[13:23] <asac> gnomefreak: me too ... i didnt find any reject reason either until he pointed me to it
[13:23] <gnomefreak> i will go and look at them all but i know for a fact atleasst one has it
[13:24] <asac> gnomefreak: i asked him on -devel why he does it the way he did it
[13:24] <asac> gnomefreak: the two packages above dont have it
[13:24] <asac> please ask upstream and remember to CC me
[13:24] <gnomefreak> firegpg has a COPY file
[13:24] <asac> (at least i dont delete emails ;))
[13:24] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. firegpg is already in  ;)
[13:24] <gnomefreak> no it isnt
[13:25] <asac> (i think)
[13:25] <asac> gnomefreak: then it had a problem with the branch
[13:25] <gnomefreak> W: Unable to locate package firegp
[13:25] <asac> gnomefreak: i explained stuff in detail when i rejected it
[13:25] <gnomefreak> oops forget e
[13:25] <gnomefreak> hold on
[13:25] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~/extension_builds/firegpg/work/firegpg.ubuntu$ policy firegpg
[13:25] <gnomefreak> W: Unable to locate package firegpg
[13:25] <asac> gnomefreak: i rejected a branch because you didnt do bzr merge for new upstream sources
[13:26] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~/extension_builds/flashgot/work/flashgot.ubuntu$ ls
[13:26] <asac> not sure if that was firegpg
[13:26] <gnomefreak> FlashGot_License.txt
[13:26] <asac> thats good
[13:26] <gnomefreak> but rejected
[13:26] <gnomefreak> for that reason
[13:26] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. because there are non-free things in there
[13:27] <gnomefreak> 2 off top of looking due to placement of extensions in my dir
[13:27] <gnomefreak> they were removed
[13:27] <gnomefreak> se branch or changelog
[13:27] <asac> gnomefreak: not in the branch that i looked at
[13:27] <asac> there were still files with non-free license in it
[13:27] <gnomefreak> what ones?
[13:27] <asac> gnomefreak: dont know out of my mind ... i gave you detailed reasons in my merge reject
[13:27]  * gnomefreak didnt see any other ones that were obvious
[13:28] <asac> iirc
[13:28] <asac> gnomefreak: lets do it this way:
[13:28] <asac> 1. you give me a list of branches that you hav that are still not sponsored
[13:28] <asac> 2. i send you mail for each branch what is wrong
[13:28] <asac> 3. you keep those mails and dont delete them ;)
[13:28] <asac> does that work?
[13:29] <gnomefreak> yes i will email them to you
[13:30] <gnomefreak> since you stated all were rejected i will send you all of them, not sure what ones you havent pushed
[13:30] <asac> thanks
[13:30] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[13:30] <gnomefreak> upstream or ubuntu?
[13:31] <gnomefreak> ubuntu should be fine
[13:33] <gnomefreak> i see chatzilla issue. when i asked for merge you said just overwrite mine with devels and devels didnt have my changes
[13:34] <gnomefreak> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/firefox-extensions/flashgot.ubuntu is good no?
[13:35] <asac> gnomefreak: let me check
[13:36] <asac> gnomefreak: chatzilla is technically good ... just missing license in top level
[13:36] <asac> of .upstream
[13:36] <asac> gnomefreak: the files you removed need to be removed from .upstream
[13:36] <asac> not from .ubuntu
[13:36] <asac> (in flashgot)
[13:45] <gnomefreak> asac: it has the COPYING file in top level
[13:46] <gnomefreak> but i will fix branches since i still have my .ubuntu dirs just renamed
[13:46] <gnomefreak> and you can merge them at that point
[13:47] <gnomefreak> sorry chatzills is the components file
[13:49] <gnomefreak> i think it was flashgot witht eh COPYING file but i will work on this this week sometime. i have bad days monday and tuesday due to somethign with my goddaughter that i really need to take care of but you will get meail this week
[13:49] <gnomefreak> i have to get moving today or i wont get anything donw
[13:49] <gnomefreak> done
[13:50] <gnomefreak> adding to my to do list
[13:50] <asac> gnomefreak: flashgot you have to fix the .upstream branch .... and then merge that to the .ubuntu branch
[13:50] <gnomefreak> k
[13:50] <asac> (yes there is no upstream branch, but yo ucan get it by branching revision 1)
[13:51] <gnomefreak> it only has 1 revision i have .ubuntu branch fixed but i will merge them once i fix upstream
[13:54] <gnomefreak> 5. Fix upstream Flashgot branch than merge with ubuntu branch
[13:54] <gnomefreak> 6. send email to Alexander with all branches for extensions
[13:54] <gnomefreak> &  Check all for license.txt or COPYING files in top level dir.
[13:54] <gnomefreak> 7. If none send email to autors to add one
[13:54] <gnomefreak> am i forgetting somethiing?
[13:56] <gnomefreak> first 4 is wiki work
[13:57] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for the day atleast most of it
[14:33] <Jazzva> crimsun: if I set "Digital Input Source" to "Analog Inputs", then "Mic" in "Input Source" is built-in front mic, and "Front Mic" is external mic. I don't think I have that digital mic array, as I think those are in the top of the display. I can set "Digital Input Source" to "Digital Mic 1" or "Digital Mic 2", too, but I don't think it does anything.
 gnomefreak: a week or so ago gnome-support didnt work for http:// proto handler <= iirc, i didn't have gnome-support installed
[16:43] <fta> [reed], http://pastebin.mozilla.org/600547  rings a bell?
[16:44] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/94392/
[16:57] <fta> asac, ^^
[17:59] <fta> [reed], http://hg.mozilla.org/ is dead :(
[18:01] <gavin> works for me
[18:01] <fta> 500 Can't connect to hg.mozilla.org:80 (connect: timeout)
[18:02] <gavin> and most people in #developers
[18:02] <gavin> perhaps you were blocked for spidering it or something?
[18:02] <gavin> file a bug at bmo in mozillal.org::Server Operations with your external IP?
[18:02] <fta> nope
[18:03] <fta> same from work and from home, different networks
[18:03] <gavin> try dm-hg01.mozilla.org or dm-hg02.mozilla.org ?
[18:06] <fta> same
[18:13] <fta> looks like a routing issue. it dies somewhere in level3 near Washington
[18:17] <gavin> weird
[18:42] <fta> it's back
[18:50] <fta> why are the dates going backward ????
[18:52] <fta> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/shortlog/db553f94394c
[18:52] <fta> everything after 2008-12-26 00:15 +0100 is in the past !???
[19:03] <gavin> those are commit times
[19:03] <gavin> as in local committs
[19:03] <gavin> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml has the push dates
[19:42] <asac> fta: zip hidden?
[19:42] <asac> fta: btw, i reproduced your issue
[19:43] <fta> asac, which one?
[19:43] <asac> fta: immediate "Done" in status bar
[19:43] <asac> fta: it went away with prefetch-next = false
[19:43] <fta> great
[19:43] <fta> hm
[19:43] <asac> fta: interestingly it doesnt happen here with prefetch-next = true
[19:44] <asac> so must be a combination of prefetch + new X i guess
[19:44] <asac> which is somewhat strange
[19:44] <asac> network.prefetch-next
[19:44] <fta> did you file a bug?
[19:44] <fta> or find one?
[19:44] <asac> i searched ... didnt find one yet.
[19:45] <asac> i wanted to evaluate it a bit more
[19:45] <asac> a bit unfortunate that it doesnt happen here where i have a ready for debug debug build :/
[19:45] <fta> i'm trying to isolate the ftbfs...
[19:46] <fta> 23071..23135
[19:46] <asac> i think i have to produce a debug  build
[19:47] <asac> fta: is there something like hg revert?
[19:47] <asac> i currently do hg diff | patch -R -p1 ;)
[19:47] <asac> that cant be right
[19:49] <asac> at least i am using hg quilt queues ;)
[20:27] <asac> Bug 294712
[20:49] <fta> mozilla bug 470571
[20:50] <fta> mozilla bug 432025
[20:50] <fta> grr
[21:09] <asac> that seems really broken
[21:09] <asac> interesting tha there is no upstream bug
[21:09] <fta> ?
[21:10] <asac> the bug from above ;)
[21:10] <asac> the show image thing (reloadimage in 3.2)
[21:10] <asac> fta: do you know how this is ment to work?
[21:11] <asac> i mean you have the toggle image thing in context menu
[21:11] <asac> but that is basically a "blacklist" .. however, there is also preference for not displaying images by default and then maintaining a whitelist
[21:11] <asac> ;)
[21:12] <asac> i think the "Reload Image" button in context menu is supposed to enable images temporarily
[21:12] <asac> does that mean "just for this reload allow load of image"?
[21:13] <asac> or does that mean: now enable site (for how long?)
[21:13] <fta> hm, there's no "Show image"
[21:13] <asac> fta: yes in 3.2 its called "Reload Image" ;)
[21:13] <asac> but it has the same underlying broken code
[21:13] <asac> that doesnt do much
[21:14] <asac> it reloads the frame, but doesnt change any permission or anything
[21:14] <asac>  but that menu entry is only there if you disable images by default
[21:14] <asac> so i guess its really meaning "reload and show image"
[21:14] <asac> maybe its supposed to mean: "fetch image now"
[21:14] <asac> yes. i think thats what it means
[21:15] <fta> if you re-enable the pref, "Reload Image" makes sense
[21:17] <asac> damn i think i fond it ;)
[21:17] <asac> fta: why reload image? reload suggests that the image is refreshed imo. what it means is: "Display Image"
[21:18] <asac> dont you think so ?
[21:18] <fta> my ftbfs is in there: http://paste.ubuntu.com/94556/
[21:23] <asac> fta: the ftbfs still looks like system-zip related
[21:24] <asac> have you tried to use in-source zip?
[21:24] <asac> or isnt deflate/inflate zip stuff?
[21:24] <asac> hmm
[21:24] <fta> zlib
[21:24] <asac> yes
[21:24] <asac> so yeah
[21:25] <asac> fta: search the dist/ tree ... is there a zlib header floating around in failed build tree?
[21:33] <asac> mozilla bug 457170
[21:38]  * gavin dupes it to mozilla bug 417545
[21:38] <asac> gavin: is ther enothing better than  general?
[21:38] <asac> ;)
[21:38] <asac> ah its assigned at least
[21:39] <gavin> what component it's in doesn't matter that much
[21:39] <gavin> tabbed browser isn't any more likely to be noticed than general
[21:39] <asac> heh ok.
[22:07] <fta> asac, it doesn't make sense... http://paste.ubuntu.com/94591/
[23:05] <fta> seems this is the one: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8eb5a5b83a93
[23:05] <fta> gavin, how do I get the details ???
[23:06] <gavin> find the changeset within that merge that caused it?
[23:06] <gavin> hg bisect can help
[23:07] <gavin> oh, it's the merge changeset itself?
[23:07] <gavin> find the parent that's responsible then
[23:07] <gavin> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/edd031c8937c or http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fd979c3768df
[23:08] <fta> hmm
[23:09] <gavin> it's the non-default one presumably
[23:47] <fta> i'm not sure i understand what that 8eb5a5b83a93 commit is. i can't make head or tail of that hg log tree.
[23:48] <gavin> hg glog is useful
[23:48] <gavin> you need to enable it though in your .hgrc
[23:52] <fta> damn, this is a 9 levels merge
[23:55] <fta> i give up
[23:56] <gavin> are you using hg bisect?
[23:57] <gavin> it mostly handles dealing with merges and stuff for you