[18:07] <xubuntu65i> Hi
[23:54] <xenoid> My weather applet is now working after the latest xubuntu update.


[07:31] <Kilos> oh my
[07:32] <Kilos> morning everyone
[07:32] <Kilos> wb confluency
[07:41] <Kilos> konversation connects to freenode only then freezes sigh
[07:48] <Kilos-> trying hexchat
[07:49] <Kilos-> at least this works. 18.04 giving me more hassles than i have had in a long time
[08:06] <chesedo> hi oom Kilos
[08:08] <Kilos> hi chesedo, you well?
[08:09] <Kilos> 18.04 driving me nuts
[08:10] <Kilos> rsyncing /home from 16.04 keeps crashing it. all backup info gone. no email addies passwords etc etc
[08:10] <Kilos> and now not even a bot for coffee
[08:13] <Kilos> took me a mweek of struggling with konversation before i remembered weecchat and hexchat
[08:14] <Kilos> old fool
[08:23] <chesedo> Kilos: great ty, and self?
[08:23] <chesedo> ai
[08:27] <Kilos> im just cold, freezing my nuts off in pta waiting for ian to come fetch me'
[08:28] <Kilos> came for meds and he will come when he gets a break
[11:42] <esrarkesh> Kilos: ek sit en ek rook 'n zol
[14:18] <Kilos> lol
[14:19] <Kilos> dag se esrarkesh welkom by ubuntu-za
[14:45] <nlsthzn_why_not> Hello ZA land... uncle Kilos etc...
[14:58] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn_why_not
[14:59] <Kilos> lol whats with the why not part
[15:01] <nlsthzn_why_not> can't remember now (had something to do with mutiple logins from different PC's or something
[15:01] <nlsthzn> hope all is well
[15:02] <Kilos> yip still kicking , hope all good by you
[15:02] <Kilos> 18.04 kde driving me nuts
[15:03] <Kilos> well thank heavens for tab complete because typing all that would be a mission
[15:11] <nlsthzn> My initial install of Kubuntu 18.04 was working really well. Then I hopped to others, returned later to Kubuntu 18.04 again and I had many issues
[15:11] <nlsthzn> very strange
[15:11] <nlsthzn> currently on linux mint 19 beta and so far it is working very very well
[15:31] <Kilos> my issue is that using 16.04 home does not work. nothing works. every time i try rsync /home i lose all setting apps passwords etc and email info
[15:31] <Kilos> never had that before
[15:35] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[15:37] <Kilos> cocooncrash, can you start Maaz again for us
[15:37] <Kilos> please
[15:39] <nlsthzn> I also start from a clean slate in any case (don't want all the cruft)... but it is interesting that it isn't working... it should :/


[00:00] <James147> pulaski: when/if it gets fixed then yes
[00:07] <pulaski> James147: Thanks for the tip. I'm going to look around and see if I can find the bug report or somplace I can monitor progress on the bug. Can you offer a comment on doing this or should I even bother?
[00:08] <James147> pulaski: if you want to know the progress of the bug then finding the bugreport is worthwhile
[00:10] <pulaski> James147: Thanks again for your help this afternoon. I'll check back.
[00:24] <Magier02> hello
[00:39] <cory_> Can anyone help with CUPS?
[00:41] <cory_> I have been going through help pages for the past 3 hours and have yet to find a solution to my problem
[00:42] <valorie> cory_: state your question, and if anyone can help, they will
[00:43] <cory_> I just added a printer that is on my server to my client comuter, while it is recognized I keep getting a printer not connected error
[00:44] <cory_> ...I can print a test page off the server but have no sucess on my client
[00:51] <buckethead> cory_: Firewall?
[00:57] <cory_> idk, to my knowledge the firewall is just set to its defaults
[00:59] <buckethead> cory_: Right. Drop it and then try.
[00:59] <cory_> k
[01:07] <cory_> @buckethead do you know the command to "refresh" the server I just disabled the firewall but it won't take effect until  I reboot and I do not really want to do that
[01:08] <buckethead> refresh?
[01:08] <buckethead> Which firewall are you using?
[01:09] <cory_> default
[01:09] <cory_> UFW
[01:09] <buckethead> 'ufw disable' didn't just bring it down?
[01:09] <cory_> no
[01:10] <cory_> Firewall stopped and disabled on system startup
[01:10] <buckethead> Right. That's fine.
[01:10] <cory_> so I do not need to reboot?
[01:10] <buckethead> No.
[01:11] <buckethead> It stopped it AND stopped it from coming up on start-up.
[01:11] <cory_> oh ic
[01:12] <cory_> still the same problem
[01:13] <buckethead> You've got "Share printers connected to this system" selected, right?
[01:14] <buckethead> Does CUPS on the client see the printer?
[01:14] <cory_> yes and yes
[01:15] <buckethead> Do you have firefox installed? Try using a non-native kde app.
[01:15] <cory_> wait how to I make sure that "Share printers connected to this system " is selected?
[01:15] <buckethead> On the server?
[01:15] <cory_> I do not have a gui
[01:16] <buckethead> How are you accessing CUPS on the server?
[01:16] <cory_> using ssh
[01:17] <buckethead> I'm not sure, I usually enable remote administration in the servers cupsd.conf and then hit the web server.
[01:18] <cory_> ?
[01:20] <buckethead> If you go to the servers ip address on port 631, does the cups interface load?
[01:21] <cory_> yes
[01:22] <buckethead> If you go to administration, It's on the right column.
[01:23] <buckethead> That view access log selection might also be useful.
[01:23] <buckethead> I've got to step away. Good luck.
[01:23] <cory_> thk
[01:41] <volty> hi, no ffmpeg no mencoder available, kubuntu10.10
[01:43] <volty> how can  i install at least one of them possibly without compiling ?
[01:54] <crislue> hola a todos
[01:59] <ecinx> My computer is going real slow, how do I check whaat's using up resources
[01:59] <Snowhog> cristian: !es
[01:59] <Snowhog> !es | cristian
[02:00] <Snowhog> ecinx: Open a console and type: top
[02:00] <cristian> ok tank ou
[02:01] <James147> ecinx: ^^ or for a graphical way press crtl+esc
[02:01] <ecinx> ty both
[02:02] <ecinx> James147:  I found out how to do snippets in emacs, and emacs also has abbrevs mode
[02:02] <ecinx> I didn't figure abbrevs out yet though
[02:04] <ecinx> brb
[02:08] <ecinx> hmm
[02:08] <ecinx> I restarted irc and closed all the browser tabs and it still seems slow
[02:09] <James147> ecinx: is your cpu or ram full?
[02:10] <ecinx> I dont' think so
[02:10] <ecinx> irc was taking over 300MB
[02:10] <ecinx> and a lot of browsers, but i closed them
[02:10] <ecinx> the biggest things now are kwin 57.6MB and Xorg 44.7MB
[02:11] <James147> ecinx: you could be io bound then, i would check to see if your useing your swap at all
[02:11] <ecinx> How Do I do that?
[02:11] <James147> free -m
[02:12] <James147> ecinx: also, you could install and run "iotop"
[02:12] <James147> (to see if anything is thrashing the disk)
[02:14] <ecinx> http://pastebin.com/QUZTRn6R
[02:14] <ecinx> James147:  ^^
[02:15] <ecinx> When I alt tab I can  flip through windows, sometimes I don't know what I do a bunch of windows come on the screen at the same time, like little thumbnails, I find that efficient especially wit the touch scrreen, how do I do that?
[02:16] <James147> ecinx: wow, you have allot of swap
[02:16] <ecinx> James147: what does that mean?
[02:17] <James147> ecinx: you are currently using about 2gigs of memory ^^ that seems rather high
[02:17] <James147> (that is, swap + mem - buffers/cache, so i presume thats 2 gigs of programs)
[02:18] <James147> ecinx: install htop (its like top, but better, much better ;)  ) then run it and sort by mem%  (press > and select mem)
[02:18] <ecinx> Ii'm going to upgrade to 8gb, but that doesn't mean i don't want to stay udner 1GB of used memroy
[02:21] <James147> ecinx: uneeded application memory is a waste... and you should be trying to start under about that if you not running that much... the rest of the ram should be filled with buffers and disk cache (programs and files that are no longer used but kept in the memory)...
[02:21] <James147> ^^ and swap tends to just slow everything down if you have mroe then 1-2 gigs of ram
[02:21] <James147> ecinx: ^^ you could try disabling it (swapoff -a)
[02:21] <ecinx> and then turn it back on?
[02:22] <ecinx> when i installed ubuntu it suggested creating a swap for speed
[02:22] <James147> ecinx: yeah... that assumes you ahve no ram
[02:22] <James147> ecinx: I havent had a problem with having no swap on all my computers (all now have at least 2 gigs)
[02:23] <ecinx> swap in essense is a thing of the 90's
[02:23] <ecinx> ?
[02:23] <ecinx> yeah all my comps have 2gigs + too
[02:23] <James147> ecinx: its needed for hybernation, and if you need more ram then you physically have...
[02:23] <ecinx> I like to hybernate :)
[02:24] <ecinx> the batteries suck on this thing
[02:24]  * James147 tends to shutdown... seems quicker to boot then resume from hyberantion..
[02:24] <James147> ecinx: cant you sleep?
[02:24]  * James147 sleep dosent need swap
[02:25] <James147> ^^
[02:25] <ecinx> the battereis really suck, if im in a class room my pc dies out by the end of the period
[02:25] <ecinx> if not it's really low
[02:26] <James147> ecinx: ... hmm, well i suggest you try disabling swap for now with "swapoff -a" (swapon -a or a reboot will enable it again)
[02:26] <James147> see if it makes a difference
[02:26] <James147> (or makes things worst) ... also try to find out what applications are using all the ram
[02:27] <ecinx> i turned it off
[02:27] <ecinx> i ddin't get a new prompt, yet
[02:28] <James147> ecinx: if you want you can watch your memory usage with "watch free -m"
[02:28] <ecinx> actually let me reboot, remember we ugpraded KDE and i dind't reboot
[02:29] <ecinx> free 44  ??
[02:29] <ecinx> 22
[02:29] <ecinx> that's not kool
[02:32] <James147> ecinx: ??
[02:50] <ecinx> im back
[02:50] <ecinx> i had to restart it froze
[02:54] <d3jake> I replaced my 30 (or forty, I forget which) gigabyte harddrive in my latop (Compaq NC6000) several weeks ago. On it I had two partitions, one for Windows XP, one Kubuntu 8.04. Since then I have purchased and installed a 80GB drive. I, again, installed Kubuntu and XP. This time I used a experimental version of Kubuntu called Trinity as I am one of the group that keeps ahold of KDE3. Unfortunately I have come to dislike Trinity on
[02:54] <d3jake> many levels, and would like to find a way to copy over the contents of my old partition and overwrite my newer installation so it will be as if nothing had changed. I assume I can do this as no hardware in the equation has been changed, but I have no idea how. I was told by a friend that I could simply tar.gz all of my files on the old partition, and overwrite all of the new ones. Do you dolks have any idea how I could do this? Is the method I listed valid
[02:56] <ecinx> http://imagebin.org/131915
[02:57] <ecinx> James147: That was before I restarted
[02:57] <ecinx> after it unfroze
[02:58] <James147> d3jake: ^^ you should just beable to copy the contents of teh dirve over
[02:58] <ecinx> I conneccted an external monitor, how do i fix the resolution, if it's not listed
[02:58] <James147> d3jake: you may or may not need to edit /etc/fstab as well
[02:59] <James147> ecinx: you could try the xrandr command :)
[02:59] <James147> (though i dont know what options you need)
[03:00] <ecinx> it doesn't list the native resolution there
[03:00] <d3jake> James147: What is the /etc/fstab for, dare I ask?
[03:00] <James147> ecinx: what driver?
[03:00] <James147> d3jake: mounting drives at boot
[03:00] <James147> (or with mount -a)
[03:01] <d3jake> James147: Okay, thanks!
[03:01] <ecinx> I didn't install a driver for it
[03:01] <James147> ecinx: waht graphics card?
[03:01] <ecinx> I think it's intel HD graphics
[03:01] <ecinx> something like that
[03:02] <James147> ecinx: i think you should play with the --newmode option in xrandr
[03:03] <James147> or --fb option
[03:05] <James147> ecinx: btw, is your system any faster?
[03:05] <ecinx> i think the swap is back on
[03:05] <ecinx> let me turn it off
[03:06] <ecinx> but yes, i just restarted
[03:08] <James147> ecinx: you might find this useful https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[03:09] <James147> ^^ note you can tell linux to not swap as much, which you probally want to do (then you can have swap enabled, but not have things swaped out so much.. see the swappiness section of the link)
[03:11] <ecinx> I bookmarked it
[03:12] <ecinx> I have to fix this monitor situation, and see if i can get kile to compile it gave me trouble earlier
[03:14] <elkng> how can I find all installed packages with "word" in names?
[03:16] <James147> dpkg -l | grep word
[03:25] <ecinx> now quassel keeps crashing
[03:28] <elkng> James147: thanks
[03:55] <ecinx> .
[03:58] <FloridaGuy> dont like ktorrent....like transmission..but is there anything better and lighter
[04:16] <FloridaGuy> dont like ktorrent.....like Transmission.....is there anything better faster and lighhter ?
[04:21] <valorie> FloridaGuy: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/whats-best-linux-bittorrent-app
[04:22] <valorie> everyone has an opinion!
[04:22] <FloridaGuy> valorie: thanks
[04:25] <albertollamas201> join #asterisk-peru
[04:31] <Daskreech> FloridaGuy: rtorrent?
[04:31] <valorie> they did leave that off my link list, for sure
[04:32] <Daskreech> hi valorie
[04:33] <valorie> hey Daskreech
[04:33] <Daskreech> how are you?
[04:44] <swimmercol> hello anybody knows about voip asterisk?
[04:45] <valorie> lets see if ubottu knows anything
[04:46] <valorie> !voip
[04:46] <swimmercol> xd
[04:46] <valorie> that's rather general
[04:46] <Daskreech> !asterisk
[04:47] <valorie> carla wrote some good howtos about asterist a couple of years ago
[04:47] <valorie> let me see if I can find 'em
[04:48] <valorie> http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2006/04/building_an_asteriskhome_test.html
[04:48] <valorie> 2006, but she's excellent
[04:49] <valorie> !skype
[04:49] <valorie> interesting
[04:49] <swimmercol> jejeje
[04:49] <swimmercol> hi valorie
[04:50] <valorie> hi swimmercol
[04:51] <swimmercol> wher are u from?
[04:51] <valorie> me? I live in Washington state, in the US
[04:52] <swimmercol> very cool
[04:52] <swimmercol> the next astricon
[04:52] <valorie> how about you?
[04:52] <swimmercol> marylan
[04:53] <swimmercol> i live Colombia
[04:53] <swimmercol> whats your name?
[04:53] <valorie> Valorie, just like my nick
[04:54] <swimmercol> a ok
[04:54] <swimmercol> its nice
[04:54] <valorie> thanks! I think my mom made it up, I haven't met many people with the same spelling
[04:55] <swimmercol> yeah its real
[04:55] <swimmercol> my name is albert
[04:55] <Snowhog> valorie: swimmercol !#kubuntu-offtopic
[04:55] <swimmercol> nice to meet you
[04:55] <valorie> sec
[04:55] <valorie> thanks snowhog
[04:55] <valorie> sorry
[04:56] <swimmercol> what is it?
[05:30] <MiguelPerez> somebody can help me... my audio/video frozen .. i use kubuntu 10.10, with a core2duo 2Ghz, 3Gb ram, IntelGM45Hd (video)
[05:31] <ecinx> hola miguel
[05:31] <MiguelPerez> hola ecinx
[05:32] <ecinx> srry i can't help, I am a kubuntu newbie
[05:32] <ecinx> whereu from though
[05:34] <MiguelPerez> thanks anyway
[05:35] <ecinx> no problemo
[05:38] <ecinx> try #ubuntu, or #linux
[05:41] <ecinx> I compiled kile, hopefully correctly and in the last step it launches, but it doesn't seem to be installed in kickoff
[05:41] <ecinx> and it wont' launch with 'kile' at prompt
[05:51] <nirazio> For some mysterious reason the virtual desktop icon from the kubuntu 10.10 panel has disappeared. How could I added it back to the panel?
[05:54] <valorie> click on the cashew
[05:54] <valorie> or maybe just the little up triangle
[05:54] <valorie> you might have hidden it
[05:56] <nirazio> valorie: Checked it..
[06:09] <Daskreech> valorie: how does hiding it work?
[06:11] <valorie> if there is stuff you don't want to remove, but don't need to display all the time, there is the function of hiding it
[06:11] <whilo> uh i got a weird bug, where the ui of different kde and non kde applications is not properly updated. this really gets on my nerves when moving the curser and changing text in kate, as i have to switch lines to refresh :-/
[06:12] <valorie> that little pyramid is where that's done
[06:12] <valorie> whilo, are you in rc2?
[06:13] <valorie> i've had various little weirdities in rc2, that I didn't notice in rc1
[06:14] <whilo> valorie: yep
[06:15] <whilo> it makes me really aggressive as i don't see what java code i am actually writing :-/ hopefully this gets fixed soon, other than that kde 4.6 is pretty impressive
[06:17] <valorie> be sure to report it
[06:17] <valorie> my problems are so..... flimsy, I can'
[06:17] <valorie> t really pin them down well
[06:17] <whilo> valorie: me neither, they even happen in firefox regularly
[06:17] <elkng> how can I make "X" do not autostart on boot?
[06:17] <whilo> i think emacs was ok, but am not sure
[06:18] <whilo> elkng: man service
[06:18] <elkng> whilo: thanks
[06:34] <whilo> valorie: do you have intel graphics?
[06:45] <valorie> whilo: ati radeon
[06:46] <valorie> sorry, my old dog is restless tonight
[07:16] <poyntz> is the latest version of kde stable?
[07:24] <valorie> poyntz: do you mean 10.10?
[07:24] <valorie> yes, stable
[07:24] <valorie> or do you mean 4.6rc2 -- in which case i would say for me stable, with some display oddities
[07:39] <poyntz> valorie: nope kde4.5.x whatever the latest is
[07:40] <valorie> 4.5.90 is beta rc2 now
[07:40] <valorie> 4.5.4 was very stable
[08:20] <zonk> hi
[08:20] <zonk> if i want to check last created file in system or by user which log i should read?
[08:21] <poyntz> valorie: what's the repo for kde versions?
[08:22] <valorie> in this instance, beta ppa
[08:22] <poyntz> valorie: are you on the latest?
[08:23] <valorie> latest in the PPA, yes
[08:23] <valorie> I don't build kde from trunk or anything
[08:23] <poyntz> valorie: how does it compare? and does it cause any troubles with linux-image-x packages?
[08:23] <valorie> and I'm in Mav, not Natty
[08:24] <valorie> what do you want me to compare?
[08:24] <poyntz> valorie: the latest to 4.5.1
[08:24] <valorie> 4.5.4 was totally stable
[08:24] <valorie> 4.5rc2 is stable, but as I said, I'm having a few small problems
[08:25] <poyntz> valorie: ahh cool ty.
[08:25] <poyntz> valorie: btw is ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta the right beta ppa?
[08:25] <valorie> yes
[08:29] <poyntz> valorie: is it possible to upgrade to 4.5.4 and not the latest?
[08:30] <poyntz> valorie: because when i added the ppa i just noticed a bunch of updates appear..
[08:31] <valorie> hmmm
[08:31] <valorie> now that I don't know
[08:32] <poyntz> valorie: does the latest support omaque?
[08:32] <poyntz> valorie: actually dont answer that haha.. mine apparently supports omaque but it isn't supporting it atm.. =S
[08:33] <valorie> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-454
[08:33] <valorie> not sure that will still work, but it's worth a try
[09:24] <Anf3t4m1n> hi guys, i have a question for you.... do you know the program pulse audio? i have a dolby 5.1 connected to my sound card in to the digital output, but i can select only "digital stereo" and "analog 5.1"... where can i find the "digital 5.1" exit of my sound card?
[09:31] <whilo> valorie: if you have ati and i have intel and we both use 4.6rc2 on mav where it worked with xorg properly before, then it is likely a kwin issue
[09:31] <whilo> imo
[09:34] <valorie> could be -- I hope they track it down before natty
[09:46] <whilo> valorie:  i hope they track it down before 4.6 ;-) it is really difficult to do text work if your text-widget is not updated correctly
[09:50] <valorie> whilo, it hits me every once in awhile in konversation, too
[10:29] <jado> hi, how can i make my microphone work under kubuntu? do i need to install some drivers?
[10:31] <jado> and more importantly, where can i test it? because right now i'm trying under ventrilo on wine
[10:36] <aomegax> hi
[10:36] <James147> jado: first, make sure it isent muted, best way to do taht is run "alsamixer" in a terminal and check the capture devices (if you turn on the playback devices for the mic as well then it should echo to the speakers and let you test it)
[10:37] <aomegax> i have problem with login (kubuntu 10.10 x86_64), after inserting user and pwd i don't allow to desktop but I see login page again
[10:37] <jado> James147: you're right it was muted :)
[10:37] <James147> aomegax: first: create a new user and see if you can log in with them,
[10:37] <aomegax> I have reinstalled nvidia driver too, but anything
[10:38] <aomegax> I can enter with console
[10:39] <James147> aomegax: alt+crtl+F1 to swtich to a vertual console, login then add a user with "sudo useradd -m -U USERNAME"
[10:40] <aomegax> ok...and after?
[10:40] <James147> (or adduser USERNAME)
[10:41] <James147> aomegax: add a password for the user (sudo passwd USERNAME)
[10:41] <James147> aomegax: then alt+ctrl+f7 to switch back to the gui and try to login with them
[10:41] <aomegax> ok
[10:42] <aomegax> it works
[10:43] <James147> aomegax: then that suggests that there is something wrong with a config file in your home directory
[10:43] <aomegax> mmm
[10:43] <aomegax> but yesterday all work!
[10:44] <aomegax> now...if i delete .kde?
[10:44] <James147> aomegax: first check to see if you own all your own files :)
[10:45] <James147> aomegax: may or may not work, and isent advised to just delete it
[10:45] <James147> aomegax: you can try renaming it first, if it works thereafter then the problem is inside .kde
[10:45] <James147> if not then its outside
[10:47] <aomegax> reneming kde doesn't work
[10:48] <James147> aomegax: then rename it back :)  try running "ls -lR ~ | grep -v USERNAME | grep -v total | grep -v ^$" ... see if it outputs anything (replacing USERNAME...)  it should list all files not owned by you
[10:50] <aomegax> ok
[10:51] <aomegax> how can  i see more page?
[10:51] <aomegax> ls -lR --less...?
[10:52] <James147> aomegax: :S wasent expecting there to by many lines... but add " | less" to the end to pipe it to less
[10:52] <aomegax> ok :)
[10:52] <aomegax> ok there are only images
[10:53] <aomegax> that are of www-data user
[10:54]  * James147 wonders why you dont own all the files in your home....   might want to do a "sudo chown -R USER:USER ~"   << that will make all files in your home owned by you
[10:54] <James147> ^^ or not if they are ment to be owned by www-data :)
[10:54] <James147> aomegax: and I take it you still cannot login?
[10:55] <James147> (just making sure)
[10:55] <aomegax> should i restart pc?
[10:55] <James147> aomegax: souldnt need to
[10:55] <James147> aomegax: I would start by deleting ~/.Xauthority ... that has caused me problems in the past
[10:55] <Anf3t4m1n> hi guys, i have a question for you.... do you know the program pulse audio? i have a dolby 5.1 connected to my sound card in to the digital output, but i can select only "digital stereo" and "analog 5.1"... where can i find the "digital 5.1" exit of my sound card?
[10:56] <aomegax> James147: no, it dosn't work
[10:57] <James147> aomegax: can you pastebin xorgs log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)
[10:59] <aomegax> James147: if i enter with new user and I pastebin is is right?
[10:59] <James147> yeah
[10:59] <James147> !pastebin
[11:00] <James147> ^^ or pastebinit
[11:01] <aomegax> James147: http://paste.ubuntu.com
[11:01] <aomegax> 55241
[11:01] <aomegax> excuse me
[11:01] <aomegax> James147: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552416
[11:07] <James147> hmm... dont see any errors... you could try launching starting kde from a virtual konsole: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552420/
[11:09] <aomegax> James147: ok, one moment
[11:14] <aomegax> after I do startx /usr/bin/startkde
[11:15] <aomegax> xinit: connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to x server
[11:15] <James147> aomegax: sorry loged out for a sec, missed what you said (if you said anything)
[11:15] <James147> aomegax: and you stoped kdm first?
[11:16] <aomegax> James147: yes
[11:16] <aomegax> James147: i do again it
[11:18] <James147> aomegax: hmm, what graphics card do you have?
[11:19] <aomegax> James147: when i do startx how can i save output so i can pastebin?
[11:20] <James147> aomegax: you can save it to a file by appending &> ~/file   (will save it to a file called file in your home directory... the & tells it to redirect stderr and stdout)
[11:20] <aomegax> ok
[11:22] <aomegax> James147: i haven't permission
[11:23] <James147> aomegax: :S ^^ make sure the path is somewhere you can write
[11:23] <aomegax> James147: startx &>~/file (even with &>/home/aomegax/file)
[11:24] <James147> aomegax: try putting a space between the > and ~@
[11:24] <James147> "startx /usr/bin/startkde &> ~/file"
[11:25] <aomegax> James147: nothing
[11:26] <aomegax> James147: however after starting startx it writes again and again invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key..
[11:27] <James147> :S
[11:29] <James147> aomegax:  hmm, try deleting .ICEauthority
[11:29] <aomegax> James147: where is it?
[11:29] <James147> ~
[11:30] <aomegax> James147: there isn't
[11:31] <James147> aomegax: hmm... not entirly sure what else to do rather then randomly renaming config files in ~ :S
[11:32] <James147> aomegax: one approch is to move all config files to somewhere like ~/configs  ... then try to log in, you can then try moving them back bit by bit untill you cant login, then thats probly the file :)
[11:34] <aomegax> James147:  mmm...where are config file? in which folder?
[11:34] <aomegax> James147: ~/.config?
[11:34] <James147> aomegax: config files tend to start with a . (makes them hidden) and normally in your home directory... .kde .config .local are where some applicaitons tend to group them
[11:35] <James147> ^^ and you will not want to mode .bashrc or .profile...
[11:35] <James147> move ^^
[11:35] <aomegax> James147: should I move to backup all .FOLDER?
[11:37] <James147> aomegax: ^^ dont need to move them to a ihdden folder, can just put them in ~/backup  or ~/configs or something
[11:38] <aomegax> James147: can I do: sudo mv .* ~backup/ ?
[11:40] <James147> aomegax: no, that will match everything (. expands to a single character and * matches 0 or more, so .* matches 1 or more characters)
[11:40]  * James147 is looking for a way around that :)
[11:42] <James147> ^^ or maby it will work :S cp seems to treat it differently then mv
[11:47] <aomegax> James147: ok I have moved all . in  backup/...now can I login?
[11:47] <James147> aomegax: make sure you keep .bashrc and .profile
[11:47] <James147> then try to log in
[11:51] <aomegax> James147: when i log in an alert appears: "kstartupconfig4 does not exist or fails. the error code is 3. check" when I do ok it goes to login page again
[11:55] <James147> aomegax: whats the output of ls -la?
[12:09] <aomegax> James147: I have all my folder and .bashrc and .profile (own by aomegax)
[12:09] <aomegax> James147: now I have added .kde too... ook?
[12:09] <James147> aomegax: but you still cannot log in?
[12:10] <aomegax> James147: only with .bashrc and profile i have error with kstartupconfig
[12:10] <James147> aomegax: and the new account logged in fine?
[12:11] <aomegax> yes, fine
[12:14] <aomegax> James147: adding .kde i have however error
[12:15] <AivarasKivilius> Hello, I have strange insue - I can't add downloaded widget to desktop.
[12:15] <James147> aomegax: hmmm, wonder what happens if you copy the configs from the new user to your user
[12:16] <James147> !details | AivarasKivilius
[12:17] <AivarasKivilius> I downloaded http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MOC+Plasma+Client?content=135354 try to add it with "Get New Widgets" but it cant find it. Kubuntu 10.10
[12:18] <AivarasKivilius> not cant find, but just don't see.
[12:20] <aomegax> James147:  all .file?
[12:20] <aomegax> James147:  or only .bashrc and .profile?
[12:21] <chiiiiiz> Hello!!! I can't manage to have my desktop effects running under Kubuntu10.10 with a ATI Radeon X133Pro... Any idea?
[12:22] <chiiiiiz> ATI X1300Pro... sorry
[12:22] <James147> aomegax: i would say all ^^ i really dont know why its failing at this point :S
[12:23] <chiiiiiz> I can't even check the box where to enable them... It used to work before...
[12:23] <James147> chiiiiiz: have you installed the drivers? (open "Hardware drivers" in the menu)
[12:24] <chiiiiiz> Yes, when I installed... I must admit I did not check... why would they not be installed ? Its is an old board... I do not think there would be new drivers for it
[12:25] <chiiiiiz> It says "noproprietary drivres used...". I used the ati drivers, since Catalyst does not support it any longer
[12:26] <James147> !ati
[12:27] <aomegax> James147: always kdestartupconfig4 error
[12:27] <aomegax> James147:  :s bah!
[12:29] <aomegax> James147: ok it works with config of new user
[12:30] <aomegax> James147: now I put my old config
[12:33] <James147> aomegax: heh, wasent expecting that to work :S   ;)
[12:34] <James147> aomegax: but at least you can login again :) and slowly copy back the old configs till it breaks again
[12:46] <elkng> in liveCD there is an option in "grub/loopback.cfg":  "linux   /casper/vmlinuz  file=/cdrom/preseed/kubuntu.seed boot=casper maybe-ubiquity iso-scan/filename=${iso_path} quiet splash --" what I have to change to boot in "init 3" of single user mode?
[12:47]  * James147 thinks you append "3" to the end... but isent sure
[12:47] <James147> !grub2
[12:49] <elkng> in liveCD for "kubuntu" there is an option in "grub/loopback.cfg":  "linux   /casper/vmlinuz  file=/cdrom/preseed/kubuntu.seed boot=casper maybe-ubiquity iso-scan/filename=${iso_path} quiet splash --" what I have to change to boot in "init 3" of single user mode? is it possible?
[12:49] <elkng> ouch!
[12:49] <elkng> wrong channel =)
[13:09] <noaXess> how do i set maybe LC_TIME for a specifix user? in .proile, right.. but how?
[13:10] <noaXess> just LC_NUMERIC="de_CH.utf8"?
[13:10] <noaXess> or LC_TIME="de_CH.utf8"
[13:13] <gaetano> ciao a tutti
[13:14] <gaetano> avrei un problema
[13:14] <gaetano> ho collegato una webcam al pc, con cheese riesco a vedermi ma con altri programmi o da qualche sito non mi vedo come mai??
[13:17] <gaetano> scusate chi può aiutarmi??
[13:26] <sre-su> !it
[14:26] <r1pp3rj4ck> hi... I have a problem with the Konsole, the auto-completion doesn't work with the aptitude, however it does on xterm and the ttys (haven't tried anything else)
[14:26] <r1pp3rj4ck> and it works on the filename auto-completions also on Konsole
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:38] <r1pp3rj4ck> brb
[14:46] <rethus> if i click to an ok button.. i got always a liitle audio "plop", where can i deactivate that?
[14:53] <rethus> KDE: if i click to an ok button.. i got always a liitle audio "plop", where can i deactivate that?
[14:53] <James147> rethus: possibally in the notifications settings...
[14:54] <rethus> where can i deactivate it?
[14:54] <James147> rethus: is it when a window or dialog closes?
[14:54] <James147> rethus: you can try searching though system settings > notifications
[14:54] <rethus> no, if i click on back button in browser, or ok button on dialoge and so on
[14:55] <James147> cant see and event for button clicked though :)
[14:56] <rethus> james147: its since i installed ubuntu-desktop beside kde
[14:56] <rethus> kde runs now on gdm
[14:57] <James147> rethus: then it could be a gnome option...
[14:57] <rethus> how can i start the gnome-systemsettings on cmd?
[14:58] <rethus> have search and found it... gnome-control-center
[16:40] <kayleigh> hi all
[16:40] <aomegax_> James147: thank you for your help... :)
[16:41] <James147> aomegax_: you manage to fix it?
[16:41] <James147> Hello kayleigh
[16:41] <Bauldrick> hmmm, need help getting kubuntu to 'see' other devices on my network.... I have multiple samba shares on different devices (Ubuntu, Debian, Wind...), none of which show up (they show up from other devices). Also  a Soundbridge I presume should show up under network services (zeroconf). iptables has no rules, but it's like something is blocking ..
[16:41] <kayleigh> how ya doin?
[16:42] <aomegax_> James147: so and so, now it works, now i must study so I test it after
[16:42]  * James147 suggests to Bauldrick to make sure he can ping the other computers
[16:43] <Bauldrick> yeah, and ssh into them...
[16:52] <shane4ubuntu> ok, the device notifier, is there a way to configure it to pop up and after 3 seconds disappear?  It pops up and just stays there.
[16:52] <Bauldrick> if i 'add network folder' and create one of said samba shares it connects fine, so kubuntu or whatever program can't search and see my devices properly i presume?
[17:11] <Daskreech> shane4ubuntu: hmm never thought of that
[17:15] <shane4ubuntu> actually I think it does disappear, just I think my mouse was accidentally over it
[17:17] <James147> shane4ubuntu: yeah, they dont disapear if you mouse ofver them
[17:17] <Daskreech> shane4ubuntu: ah that would probably be why I never thought of it
[17:54] <phoenix_firebrd> how long will nepomuk take to index  580 gb, i cant say how may files are present, but mostly videos of sizes 700 Mb approx. , audio files of 5Mb~ and some software collection
[17:54] <phoenix_firebrd> correction, nepomuk=strigi
[17:58] <phoenix_firebrd> i am using kde 4.6 rc2 and strigi is using a lot of cpu and it keeps on running for past 2 days
[18:00] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: It depends on whats files its indexing... however, video + music shouldnt take as long as text files (of the some size at least :) )
[18:01] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: I find it help to kill virtuoso-t everynow and then... I think there are still some problems with it, not sure how dangrous killing it is though... but i havent have any problems so far
[18:02] <phoenix_firebrd> James147:hello James thats what i am worried about, other apps take only 1 or 2 hours, but 2 days is too much. right now i have disable file indexing
[18:02] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: may be its a bug in strigi?
[18:03] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: probally, try deleting its settings to reset it... might help (or rename them)
[18:03] <James147> (and probally the index as well)
[18:05] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: is the settings of strigi located at home/.kde ?
[18:05] <James147> o ... hmm, i think they are ... I think the index is in ~/.kde?share/apps
[18:09] <phoenix_firebrd> James147:  there are some files in "/home/phoenix/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/virtuosobackend/" is it safe to delete those. i am afraid that may break the strigi
[18:10] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: you wont break it by deleteing files in your home directory, if anything you will fix it... anything that isent present when it next runs will be recreated using the default settings
[18:11] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: ok, should i delete this "/home/phoenix/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk"            or    this  "/home/phoenix/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/virtuosobackend/"
[18:13] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: personally I would remove the nepomuk folder, let it start from scratch and hope the problems you where having where the result of a bad file... i would also look in ~/.kde/share/config  for its config files (apps tends to contain data,  and config the config files)
[18:15] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: ya you are right , i found the config files at ~/.kde/share/config, i will delete all the nepomuk settings and see if that works
[18:21] <ctac> ПРивет мир!
[18:22] <rork> !ru | ctac
[18:23] <ctac> join #ubuntu-ru
[18:23] <quiescent> does anyone have skype with audio and video working under kubuntu 10-10
[18:25] <danub> hey all. i get this message every time i start up "no command arguments supplied! usage: kdesudo [-u <runas>] <command> kdesudo will now exit...
[18:25] <danub> how do i make this stop?
[18:31] <danub> no one knows eh?
[18:32] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: deleted the configs, restarted the system, nepomuk started and index the initial fast indexing. now its silent, hope my problem is solved. thank you
[18:32] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: yup that sounds more like what should happen :)
[18:33] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: ya :)
[18:33] <danub> phoenix_firebrd: is that relating to the message that pops up about needing more packages?
[18:33] <bigbrovar> danub: try going to systemsettings look for startup and shut down under session management, set to start with an empty session
[18:33] <phoenix_firebrd> danub: ??
[18:34] <danub> phoenix_firebrd: nevermind. it needs some virtuoso thing
[18:35] <phoenix_firebrd> danub: i didnt ask for any packages and i am using kde 4.6 rc2
[18:35] <phoenix_firebrd> danub: i -it
[18:35] <danub> phoenix_firebrd: oh, I was hoping your answer would fix my problem too :P but nevermind
[18:35] <phoenix_firebrd> danub: what is it, we will help to solve it
[18:37] <danub> nepomuk needs the virtuoso RDF server to store its data, installing the virtuoso.
[18:37] <danub> but its there every time ti restart
[18:38] <phoenix_firebrd> danub: kde version
[18:39] <danub> how do i find it?
[18:39] <phoenix_firebrd> danub: open any application, goto the help menu-> about kde
[18:40] <danub> 4.4.5
[18:42] <phoenix_firebrd> danub: by default it shouldnt ask for any installation of packages. did you remove any packages related to nepomuk?
[18:42] <danub> not that i am aware of
[18:43] <phoenix_firebrd> danub: can you use the application "aptitude" to see if there any dependency issue?
[18:43] <danub> omg, how do i make pidgin stop sending me notifications in the kde notifier?!
[18:43] <danub> sure, lemme load it up
[18:43]  * James147 remembers the back end for nepomuk changing ... thinks it might have been in 10.04...
[18:44] <phoenix_firebrd> danub: in the pidgin notification settings , you have to configure not to show a popup message for an incoming message
[18:45] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: what is that james
[18:46]  * James147 also remembers strigi/nepomuk not working very well in 10.04...
[18:47] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: thats true
[18:47] <attempt> hi everyone
[18:48] <James147> Hello attempt
[18:49] <attempt> http://img406.imageshack.us/i/schermata42n.png/  sorry in advance for my english. this is my problem. what can i do? barely newbie.
[18:50] <attempt> kde 4.4.5 on ubuntu 10.04 lucid linx.
[18:59] <Scunizi> anyone notice on 10.04 kontact/ Kmail after hitting the send button lately it takes 5+ seconds to make a new message window disappear and actually put it in the outbox?  Is there a solution for this?  It just started in the last few days after the last update.
[19:03] <Daskreech> attempt: looks like you are missing a semi colon somewhere
[19:06] <attempt> thanks Daskreech but i am a newbie and a don't know how to resolve. i have read the file mimeapps.list but i don't know what a semi colon signifies.
[19:07] <attempt> idem virtualbox.desktop
[19:07] <Daskreech> attempt: #kde might be able to give more info
[19:07] <rork> Scunizi: kontact 4.4.8 works fine
[19:08] <attempt> ok thanks Daskreech
[19:14] <attempt> thanks. bye
[19:19] <tsev> my amarok crashed once
[19:19] <tsev> after that it couldnt load
[19:19] <tsev> i deleted its recent files
[19:19] <tsev> but now it cannot load album covers etc
[19:19] <James147> tsev: what version?
[19:19] <tsev> 2.3.2
[19:19] <tsev> how can i do a clean instal
[19:19] <tsev> ?
[19:20] <tsev> to make it work as it used to ?
[19:20] <James147> tsev: your can reset its settings by renaming or deleteing ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc and ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok  note, i had problems with the dynamic playlists in kde 4.6 (they are located in the apps/amarok folder)...
[19:21] <tsev> ok man! thanx... i ll give it a try
[19:25] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: i am using dynamic playlist for the past 1 hour , its working fine for me
[19:25] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: so have i, but the latest one crashes when ever i try to save a playlist or open an existing one
[19:26] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: ok
[19:30] <tsev> couldn not enter folder /.kde/share/config/amarokr
[19:31] <tsev> wtf?
[19:31] <tsev> ok
[19:31] <tsev> i made it
[19:36] <tsev> its working perfect for the moment
[19:36] <tsev> thanx james147!
[19:36] <James147> tsev: you dont need to recreate the config files, launching amarok will do that... and config/amarokrc is ment to be a file not a folder
[19:37] <tsev> yeap
[19:37] <tsev> i got that
[19:37] <tsev> (at last)
[19:37] <tsev> i m kinda new on that as you can immagine
[19:38] <tsev> thanx again dude
[20:10] <bullium> I've got dual monitors running kubuntu 10.04 and I'd like it when I maximize the window it doesn't span both when I maximize only the monitor the window is on
[20:12] <James147> bullium: what graphics card/drivers are you using?
[20:13] <bullium> nvidia
[20:14] <bullium> James147: sorry...nvidia
[20:14] <James147> bullium: useing which drivers?
[20:15] <bullium> James147: 195.36.24
[20:16] <James147> bullium: cofigured as twinview? or seperatescreens?
[20:17] <bullium> James147: TwinView
[20:18] <James147> hmm, kde should beable to split twinview back up into two screens.. check system settings > display & monitor > multiple monitors
[20:18] <gerd__> join irc.freenet.de
[20:19] <precubcr> help pls
[20:20] <precubcr> grimwepa on kubuntu 10.10 ?
[20:20] <precubcr> works ?
[20:20] <Daskreech> hello precubcr
[20:20] <James147> grimwepa?
[20:20] <Daskreech> What's grimwepa?
[20:20] <precubcr> hello
[20:20] <precubcr> grimwepa is a tool for wep/wpa2 cracking
[20:20] <Daskreech> !info grimwepa
[20:21] <Daskreech> apparently not
[20:21] <precubcr> http://code.google.com/p/grimwepa/
[20:21] <precubcr> ;)
[20:21] <Daskreech> Well not from the standard repos. Check for a PPA or a selfhosted deb file
[20:21] <James147> !info aircrack-ng
[20:21] <Daskreech> That would work I suppose :)
[20:22] <TommyV> Go for aircrack-ng
[20:22] <precubcr> yes
[20:22]  * James147 notes that grimwepa uses aircrack :p
[20:22] <precubcr> but i want grimwepa
[20:22] <precubcr> it is easyer ..
[20:22] <precubcr> i know how to aircrack-ng
[20:22] <precubcr> :P
[20:22] <FloodBotK1> precubcr: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:22] <James147> precubcr: there are plenty of guids out there for it
[20:23] <James147> quite good ones too
[20:23] <precubcr> PM pls ? with link ?
[20:23] <James147> the hardest part is configuring your drivers... which i doupt grimwepa can do ...
[20:23] <precubcr> it does  not ... but u don`t need it to configure nothing
[20:24] <bullium> James147: thanks I'll play around in there for a bit...I'll be checking back
[20:24] <James147> precubcr: http://www.google.com  << cant remember off hand but they arnt hard to find... i think the offical ones where good
[20:24] <precubcr> James147 thx ^^
[20:26]  * James147 also notes that grimwepa looks like a java applicaiton... so all you really need to do is install openjdk and run "java -jar file.jar"... but it also looks like it uses aircrack... so you need that anyway...
[20:28] <bullium> James147: All off the options in Multiple Monitor Support are enabled?
[20:30] <James147> bullium: if you have twinview enabled they should be
[20:33] <bullium> I understand, but why do my windows maximize across both monitors? The panel is only showing on the first monitor
[20:33] <James147> bullium: what version of kde/kubuntu are you using?
[20:34]  * James147 notes that he is also using twinview, and his windows maximise as the should... well except games...
[20:59] <bullium> James147: I'm actually running ubuntu 10.04 with kubuntu-dekstop installed
[21:00] <bullium> Qt: 4.7.0
[21:00] <bullium> KDE Development Platform: 4.4.5 (KDE 4.4.5)
[21:00] <bullium> KDE Daemon: $Id: kded.cpp 1031637 2009-10-05 16:58:19Z lunakl $
[21:01] <James147> bullium: ubuntu with kde is effectvly kubuntu :)
[21:04] <bullium> I know...The install of this system was ubuntu 10.04 I installed the kubuntu-dekstop package just the other day which until then I had been running gnome
[21:04] <bullium> James147: that was for you..
[21:05] <rankinnn> thats practically kubuntu i guess !
[21:06] <bullium> rankinnn: yep practically...I just wanted to point that out...in case gnome had done something with the x config or something
[21:07] <rankinnn> lets wait and see the next generation of kde
[21:07] <James147> bullium: gnome shouldent touch xorg.conf ...
[21:07] <James147> bullium: ... could you try creating a new user and see if it works for them?
[21:08] <James147> bullium: that will tell you if it a problem with your configs
[21:08] <bullium> James147: I'll try another account and let you know bbl
[22:15] <m_tadeu> hi...what is ibus all about?
[22:20] <Snowhog> m_tadeu: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ibus
[22:22] <bullium> James147: After I logged off and back on KDE started working properly with multiple monitors...thanks for the suggestion
[22:24] <m_tadeu> Snowhog: thanx...now, since it's not installed by default, it's not critical, I guess... what is the advantage of using it?
[22:55] <ubuntu> hello
[22:55] <ubuntu> ?
[22:56] <ubuntu> I have a question
[22:56] <James147> !ask | ubuntu
[23:22] <m_tadeu> is it possible to drag a window only in the title bar? I drag windows a lot by accident
[23:31] <veluxes> hi...
[23:32] <veluxes> anybody there?
[23:32] <sithlord48> hey all i have two monitors w/ different resolutions, i added a xrandr command to sthe start up chain (pre kdm ) i want ot remove the other monitor , does any one know where this file is?
[23:33] <Snowhog> !ask | veluxes
[23:34] <sithlord48> Snowhog: !!!!!
[23:34] <sithlord48> Snowhog:  hows it going
[23:35] <veluxes> ok...i just installed kubuntu 10.10 and i am totally new..my prob is i got a terratec aureon universe 7.1 soundcard and it is not working
[23:35] <sithlord48> veluxes:  have you looked in the mixer , check to be sure you have the proper "master" channel
[23:35] <James147> veluxes: run alsamixer in a terminal, make sure non of the playback changes are muted and have their volumes turned up
[23:36]  * James147 grumbles about alsa defaulting to mute... and pulse not unmuting the channel but instead hiding them...
[23:37]  * sithlord48 grumbles with James147
[23:39] <hugo> hello
[23:40] <James147> Hello hugo
[23:40] <hugo> hello james
[23:40] <veluxes> i checked the alsamixer and its still not workin...
[23:41] <sithlord48> did u check to see if the correct master channel is set in the kmixer? (near the clock on the panel)
[23:41] <hugo> what's the problem "veluxes"
[23:43] <veluxes> coooooool thanks a lot
[23:43] <sithlord48>  to late i fixed it :P
[23:43] <sithlord48> ok wish me luck just upgraded to kde 4.6 time to restart


[05:35] <sam__> can any one help me regarding network streaming programming in c..
[05:38] <nalioth> sam__: this is an empty classroom atm   ( see the topic )
[05:39] <nalioth> best to ask in #ubuntu or ##c
[08:10] <vallhalla81> i see there are no classes due yet
[08:10] <vallhalla81> does anyone know if there will be in the near future?
[08:11] <db-keen> Every Friday at UTC 13:00


[00:36] <fastforward> So is anyone here still actually using Ubuntu?I remember asking a while back and it sounded like some had moved on to other distros but were here for the conversation and questions.
[00:50] <wrst> fastforward: I have a vps using ubuntu
[00:50] <wrst> And a laptop that has a partition on it
[00:50] <wrst> But yeah arch is what I use for desktop
[00:52] <fastforward> Why Arch? I set it up once, but it seemed like more complication than it was worth to me.
[00:57] <Unit193> I"m using Xubuntu...
[01:05] <wrst> Isn't the question why would you not run arch?
[03:23] <Omnifrog> what is so special about arch?
[03:23] <Omnifrog> I've never tried it
[10:19] <wrst> Omnifrog: fresh packages, you get to set it up pretty much how you want
[12:54] <fastforward> Morning, Folks.
[13:04] <wrst> morning fastforward
[13:04] <wrst> as to arch, it is rolling, a true rolling release so get fresh, stable packages
[13:04] <wrst> it isn't tied to anything really, so I can get vanilla gnome, kde, xfce, in the AUR (arch user repository) I can get about any package that I want
[13:05] <wrst> for me that makes a great desktop OS
[13:16] <fastforward> Ah yes, I bailed yesterday after asking that question. My apologies. That's understandable. Since I've discovered MATE, I'm back on Ubuntu from Mint. I like tinkering, but not that much and Arch was a bit more complicated than I wanted. One day, I might spend a weekend and dive into it.
[13:51] <wrst> it is certainly not for everyone
[13:51] <wrst> I do prefer it because I'm a micromanaging control freak :)
[13:55] <fastforward> lol
[13:56] <fastforward> I try to find a balance between control and working. Arch was too much for me at this point. :D
[13:56] <fastforward> Maybe a little farther down the road.
[14:00] <wrst> it is really whatever works, if I had to do it now I don't know if I would use arch
[14:00] <wrst> it is really whatever works, if I had to do it now I don't know if I would use arch
[20:21] <netritious> howdy
[20:22] <Unit193> Howdy.
[20:22] <fastforward> Hello.
[20:22] <wrst> hello
[20:22] <wrst> :D
[20:22] <netritious> how's it going Unit193, fastforward, wrst?
[20:23] <Unit193> Seems fine to me.
[20:23] <fastforward> Pretty good for me, netritious. How about yourself?
[20:23] <netritious> all is well. still have stuff to do to firewall but procrastinating :$


[02:53] <Bashing-om> Too slow to hold ny attention - G Nite .
[02:53] <daftykins> \o
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> quick jump in before work
[05:51] <daftykins> \o howdy
[05:51] <daftykins> :D
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> hey there daftykins
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> all ok there?
[05:51] <OerHeks> hello guys
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks
[05:52] <daftykins> yeah not bad here thanks! though i'm up to my usual tricks keeping funny waking hours :) how are you guys?
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> fine here, had a good night sleep
[05:52] <OerHeks> nervously .. mom gets an operation today, weak leaking heart-valve
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: wish you good luck mate
[05:53] <daftykins> OerHeks: oh really? fingers crossed for her
[05:54] <OerHeks> Thank you.
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: normally they can do alot of miracles in hospital these days
[05:55] <OerHeks> I know, she had a heartoperation before, this is repair work :-(
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: yeah the heart is always delicate for sure..
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: how old is she?
[05:56] <OerHeks> 80 y
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: risky age for surgery : (
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: lets hope they best here heh mate
[05:57] <OerHeks> yeah, i'm gonna call her in a hour or so ..
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: keep us informed ok
[06:00] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: what's for breakfast?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: im having coffee with a libanese pide (flat bread)
[06:01] <daftykins> ooh
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: got like 6 breads leftover from work
[06:01] <daftykins> ooh very nice
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> they wanted to throw those away ...
[06:01] <daftykins> hmm i could walk down to that cafe that does english breakfasts again XD
[06:02] <daftykins> oh did i show you the new £5 note England have? i got my first one the other day
[06:02] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/78r2x3duxxerhd7/IMG_20170310_232655.jpg?dl=0
[06:02] <daftykins> Mischief's face is in the transparent window ;D
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[06:02] <OerHeks> that is how she looked 50 years ago :-D
[06:03] <daftykins> ja XD
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: english breakfast with beans and bacon?
[06:07] <daftykins> yep!
[06:07] <daftykins> 2 sausages, 2 bacon, egg and baked beans \o/
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> mmmmm
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> toast & cofee?
[06:11] <daftykins> i usually skip the toast, but coffee yep
[06:11] <daftykins> £6.50 for all that
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> thats good!
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: at work we have a big communal table for like 25 ppl
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: so when breakfast you can actually talk to someone, or learn someone new :p
[06:12] <daftykins> :D
[06:13] <daftykins> ah this place is more of a working man's café, so i stick out a bit ;)
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> ahh i see
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: our place is like a healthy girls magnet lol
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> buying juices en vegan stuff
[06:15] <daftykins> :O
[06:15] <daftykins> EriC^^: morn \o
[06:15] <EriC^^> morning daftykins o/
[06:15] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t2wnc9od0p9up2a/AACI_8IovlUYqTImRrzMzCFca?dl=0
[06:15] <daftykins> just discovered this o0
[06:16] <EriC^^> yikes!
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: http://afterorangecounty.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Communal-Table-LPQ.jpg
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> hey hey EriC^^
[06:17] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[06:21] <daftykins> ooh long table is long! :D
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:35] <daftykins> menus in bread, i like it
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> ok guys, working time
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> have a nice one
[06:40] <daftykins> \o
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: good luck, keep us informed okay
[06:40] <daftykins> and you
[07:23] <ducasse> morning all
[08:13] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[08:16] <ducasse> hi EriC^^ - how's it going?
[08:16] <EriC^^> good, changed the fish's water and fed them, about to have some breakfast
[08:16] <EriC^^> you?
[08:17] <OerHeks> hey EriC^^ :-)
[08:18] <EriC^^> hey OerHeks :) how's it going?
[08:18] <ducasse> fed the cat, having some tea before breakfast. no major plans.
[08:18] <OerHeks> just walked drabber
[08:19] <OerHeks> he wants to go out all day :-D
[08:19] <OerHeks> spring-fever
[08:20] <ducasse> luna was actually outside for more than 30 seconds at a time yesterday, so it's obvious that winter is fading :)
[08:30] <OerHeks> some dude is forced to catch 280 goldfish from the canal, EriC^^ .. he thought it was a nice idea, free goldfish ( dutch news http://nos.nl/artikel/2162917-veenendaler-moet-280-uitgezette-goudvissen-weer-uit-gracht-halen.html
[08:32] <EriC^^> i read something pretty disturbing today while reading about dolphins
[08:32] <EriC^^> i'm still shivering
[08:32] <daftykins> oh?
[08:33] <EriC^^> i was watching this, about dolphins intelligence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnVAv77gEqo
[08:33] <EriC^^> "Is this dolphin speaking?" then later from the comments i found out another page
[08:34] <EriC^^> "I had a sexual relationship with a dolphin" http://nypost.com/2014/06/10/the-dolphin-that-fell-in-love-with-a-human/
[08:34] <EriC^^> the dolphin committed suicide after the "experiment" was over and she left
[08:34] <EriC^^> OerHeks: wow
[08:34] <OerHeks> isn't there a soutpark episode, about mr march, getting surgery to become a dolphin :-D
[08:36] <OerHeks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwg2f4oKOQs
[08:36] <EriC^^> lol
[08:41] <daftykins> poor Peter the dolphin :(
[08:45] <EriC^^> yeah :(
[08:45] <EriC^^> "Peter you can do better than that!" lol
[08:45] <EriC^^> reminds me of the teachers from The Wall
[08:49] <Wirehunter> daftykins, I gave your tip about the HWE kernel to two other men. One had thunderbolt issues on his dell xps using a dock and the other had 14.04 LTS but needed a newer kernel and asked for help in #ubuntu. :P
[08:50] <daftykins> ^_^
[08:50] <daftykins> sounds good
[08:50] <daftykins> glad to hear it solved your issues
[08:56] <ducasse> EriC^^: is this guy trolling? look at the logs from when he has been here earlier.
[08:57] <EriC^^> he is kind of on "another level"
[08:57] <ducasse> i tried to get him to answer questions yesterday, it was just no go.
[08:57] <EriC^^> i dont have any logs though :/
[08:58] <daftykins> there are the public ones
[08:58] <ducasse> !logs
[08:59] <ducasse> everyone who has tried to help him had to throw in the towel.
[08:59] <EriC^^> he's either an idiot or a genius
[09:03] <Wirehunter> About the guy in #ubuntu just now?
[09:05] <daftykins> sounds like it
[09:07] <ducasse> daftykins: EriC^^ spent several minutes explaining how to use a pastebin, so he could provide info from parted. he finally posted this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24169771
[09:08] <daftykins> :D
[09:08] <ducasse> this has been going on for days now...
[09:08] <daftykins> were any of you present the day a guy did a pastebin of his pastebinit'd URL?
[09:09] <ducasse> the sad thing is that i fully believe that happened :(
[09:10] <Wirehunter> Well, the termbin.com thing is definitely more fool-proof. :P
[09:11] <EriC^^> now the difficult part is getting him to remove the last 2 partitions
[09:11] <OerHeks> it all started @ 3-11 https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/03/11/%23ubuntu.html ..
[09:12] <EriC^^> gparted to the rescue :>
[09:13] <daftykins> i think Unbutn is the best typo i've seen to date
[09:13] <daftykins> "unbutton"
[09:14] <Wirehunter> I don't believe this guy is native english :') "I got Ubuntu worked"
[09:14] <ducasse> he claims english is his first language, i'm not sure either.
[09:19] <Wirehunter> Or maybe he's just a kid that doesn't know what he's doing
[09:21] <Wirehunter> There's a Dutch computer-support forum that used to have an IRC-like chat, these kind of things happened all the time over there :P
[09:22] <ducasse> they do here as well, but usually not this extreme.
[09:22] <ducasse> often when they are, they're just trolls.
[09:26] <Wirehunter> Oh well, my train just arrived, got to pack.
[10:07] <EriC^^> daftykins: how do you get to the disk management in windows 10?
[10:07] <EriC^^> super + r then diskmgmt.msc ?
[10:09] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:15] <daftykins> EriC^^: even easier, super + X or right click start, then disk management is on the menu that appears - but your way works too
[10:15] <daftykins> BluesKaj: morning \o
[10:15] <EriC^^> thanks daftykins
[10:16] <BluesKaj> :'Morning daftykins
[10:16] <BluesKaj> Hi EriC^^
[10:16] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[10:27] <daftykins> well guys, my plan is complete - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v1bo3geizvh1xj5/AAD5V02yvK54H-JwLAUpjyg3a?dl=0
[10:27] <daftykins> bit disappointed the phone didn't come with a stand, but i fixed that ;)
[10:30] <ducasse> sweet :)
[10:33] <BluesKaj> daftykins, skype in a phone ? :-)
[10:33] <BluesKaj> with voip
[10:34] <daftykins> i've got a small voice gateway box connecting my real PSTN landline phone to the IP network, then a VM runs FreePBX - a Linux distro built on top of CentOS (i think), then i have an analog phone plugged in and now this Cisco handset
[10:34] <daftykins> so yep i can call between handsets in my house, like an office - also got free local voicemail which will email me audio clips of the messages when left
[10:35] <BluesKaj> neat
[10:35] <daftykins> right now i can dial 9 then the number to dial out over my landline...
[10:35] <daftykins> and yep if i signed up with a VoIP provider i could do calls out over the internet too by say, dialling another digit first instead
[10:36] <ducasse> much hassle to set up?
[10:36] <daftykins> small learning curve, but tonnes of info online
[10:37] <ducasse> so, much like anything else :)
[10:37] <daftykins> yeah
[10:37] <daftykins> obtaining the phone (had to be sure you got an unlocked one) and the voice gateway were the main tough bits i have to say
[10:37] <BluesKaj> i have a call manager app for my voip phone , but it only registers receieved calls, the phone itself saves the messages just like any other phone message service.
[10:39] <BluesKaj> saves missed call numbers that didn't go to message
[10:40] <Wirehunter> That guy does have a lot of time :')
[10:40] <ducasse> daftykins: i'm really tempted to try setting this up, but can't think of a single reason why i would need it :-/ maybe when voip gets more widely used.
[10:41] <ducasse> Wirehunter: i'm starting to feel very sorry for EriC^^, but he has the patience of a saint ;)
[10:41] <EriC^^> we're almost there (i hope)
[10:42] <ducasse> EriC^^: unless he expects handholding through installation...
[10:43] <BluesKaj> savng about 65bucks /mos by going with voip service
[10:44] <daftykins> hehe yeah, in fairness until such time as i gave out my landline number for work purposes mine wouldn't get much use either ;D *BUT* it was good practice as i could almost offer to set this up for client offices now
[10:49] <BluesKaj> most of my friends here use voip now due to the Bell Canada monopoly gouging that's still in effect on regular landline phones and long distance ripoff rates
[10:52] <BluesKaj> a lot of Bell consumers are afraid to switch, especially seniors who continue to be fleeced, but fear the consequences of changing their phione services
[10:54] <daftykins> hrmm
[10:55] <ducasse> i have the impression most people here just use mobiles for everything, but i think voip is popular with businesses.
[10:55] <BluesKaj> all kinds of rumours about voip being unreliable and losing your phome number etc, being spread by the "phone company"
[10:55] <Wirehunter> BluesKaj, Voip using sip trunk? Or using cloud based pbx+
[10:55] <BluesKaj> sip
[10:55] <BluesKaj> bell lines
[10:55] <BluesKaj> dry loop
[10:57] <daftykins> i'm a bit new to it but i think even a cloud PBX uses a SIP trunk to call out :D
[10:59] <ducasse> daftykins: tell me this guy is not trolling - http://termbin.com/cooj
[11:01] <daftykins> definitely, too suspect being called eric too
[11:01] <Wirehunter> daftykins, I think so, but you don't connect to the sip trunk using your own pbx if you have cloud pbx, right?
[11:01] <daftykins> there's only one EriC^^!
[11:01] <daftykins> Wirehunter: i think it'd be preconfigured by your provider
[11:02] <daftykins> i had to configure my voice gateway device as a 'trunk' and then set up incoming + outgoing routes for dialling in and out with my landline :D
[11:02] <daftykins> i have incoming ring a 'ring group' of 3 extensions :D
[11:02] <daftykins> ooh i just set the date and time on the phone! how exciting ;D
[11:02] <BluesKaj> i was informed that both received outbound calls were all sip trunk/ landline afaik
[11:03] <EriC^^> if that guys trolling.. my god
[11:04] <ducasse> EriC^^: but yesterday he managed to resize windows on his own _and_ install ubuntu (although in the wrong mode), and now he doesn't know which button to click to drag? i don't buy it.
[11:04] <Wirehunter> Maybe he should just try using ubuntu in a vm first
[11:04] <BluesKaj> odd that he doesn't seem to how to rezise a partition
[11:05] <daftykins> EriC^^: i'd definitely hang up my mouse on that caller :)
[11:05] <EriC^^> i'm so and so right now
[11:05] <BluesKaj> seems a vm would be more difficult for him thsm srtting partitions , hand holding wouid be even more intense
[11:06] <EriC^^> ugh i'm about to explode
[11:06] <BluesKaj> than setting partitions
[11:06] <EriC^^> lol i can't describe
[11:08] <EriC^^> not sure if he's trolling or not
[11:08] <BluesKaj> afraid to make a mistake
[11:08] <EriC^^> i dont think i can go on right now
[11:09] <EriC^^> i'm kind of thinking about what's next and damn..
[11:09] <OerHeks> EriC^^, leave it ..  he does not respond as a helpseeker would do
[11:09] <Wirehunter> Is Wubi still around?
[11:10] <ducasse> EriC^^: be *very* clear that he managed to install ubuntu himself before, so he can do it now as well.
[11:10] <OerHeks> wubi is still around, but not supported with win10 ...
[11:10] <EriC^^> reminds me of that movie where the guy had "inferior genes" and he swam with his brother and he asked him how did you do that and he said he just didnt keep enough strength for the way back, i feel like what's to come i won't be able to endure :D
[11:10] <ducasse> Wirehunter: OerHeks not 8 either, i think?
[11:10] <EriC^^> anybody know the name of that movie btw? it was kind of nice
[11:10] <daftykins> nah you can't ever mention wubi, slippery slope!
[11:10] <EriC^^> i think ema thurton starred in it too
[11:11] <OerHeks> i don't see my monitors anymore .. just got a fresh one, 27" ... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/philips273El.JPG
[11:11] <daftykins> XD
[11:11] <daftykins> cor an upgrade! whos palms did you grease to get that one, OerHeks ?
[11:11] <OerHeks> thank you neighbour ..
[11:11] <Wirehunter> haha, I kind of liked wubi. I think Ubuntu is the first Linux distro I tried and I used wubi for that. Years ago, 2009 maybe.
[11:12] <daftykins> oh good god no, it caused more problems than it avoided
[11:12] <daftykins> imagine someone coming on support chat with bricked boot, getting them to boot a live session, mount the NTFS volume then mount the image file before you can even diagnose? oy!
[11:13] <Wirehunter> happened to me :p
[11:14] <daftykins> XD
[11:14]  * daftykins fires wubi out of a cannon
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Wubi is almoist dead. it should be put out of it's misery
[11:23] <daftykins> i was convinced it had been called unsupported since 2012 releases
[11:23] <OerHeks> Wubi, Flash, Silverlight, space in filenames ..
[11:24] <daftykins> :D
[11:25] <OerHeks> and wine, ofcourse!
[11:26] <lordievader> Windows...
[11:26] <lordievader> :P
[11:26] <ducasse> i feel guilty for sometimes using capitals first in folder names :)
[11:26] <OerHeks> wobbly windows are nice
[11:26] <lordievader> Indeed
[11:26]  * lordievader still has them enabled
[11:26]  * daftykins grumbles at lordievader
[11:26] <BluesKaj> show off to your windows friends
[11:27] <lordievader> Meh, I gave that up long ago.
[11:28] <BluesKaj> that's about all wobbly is good for , same with the desktop cube on kde
[11:31] <daftykins> i remember playing with wobbly from compiz many many moons ago, but the aliasing (jagged lines of the edges) are soooo offputting :)
[11:46] <lordievader> Havent seen aliasing in the Plasma/Kwin approach ;)
[11:46] <lordievader> daftykins: Time to install Plasma?
[11:47] <lordievader> ;)
[11:47] <daftykins> i don't run desktop Linux because i don't believe in it
[11:47] <daftykins> :)
[11:47] <daftykins> and KDE, eww
[11:48]  * daftykins waits to get lynched
[11:48] <OerHeks> oh guys, this is new
[11:49] <OerHeks>  rocket.ubuntu.com ~ rocketchat
[11:49] <daftykins> o0
[11:49] <ducasse> daftykins: 2017 will definitely be the year of haiku (beos) on the desktop, i just know it!
[11:50] <daftykins> \o/
[11:52] <lordievader> daftykins: Understandable.
[12:20] <ducasse> EriC^^: he's either very slow or being intentionally difficult, you've been helping him for four hours and he's yet to boot the installer :)
[12:21] <EriC^^> ducasse: yeah there is definitely something going on
[12:21] <daftykins> damn man, leave him to it - that's not healthy
[12:21] <EriC^^> i keep thinking maybe he is actually very slow
[12:22] <EriC^^> basically we're at the very final step right now, booting into legacy mode
[12:23] <Wirehunter> Why legacy mode though? What was the problem with uefi?
[12:24] <EriC^^> his windows install is in legacy mode and so is the disk setup that way
[12:24] <EriC^^> for some reason his pc keeps booting the usb in uefi mode even though its set to legacy in the bios
[12:24] <daftykins> pauljw: good morn \o
[12:25] <daftykins> Wirehunter: can't mix the two :>
[12:25] <EriC^^> he has to force it to boot in legacy mode somehow
[12:25] <pauljw> hi daftykins :)
[12:25] <pauljw> EriC^^,
[12:25] <ducasse> EriC^^: remove esp from usb stick?
[12:25] <Wirehunter> ah, mbr disk
[12:25] <ducasse> EriC^^: also, how did he write it?
[12:26] <EriC^^> hey pauljw :)
[12:26] <pauljw> :)
[12:26] <daftykins> is this the part where it boots at last then you get told it's an EOL release? ;D
[12:26]  * daftykins plays the sad trombone
[12:26] <EriC^^> ducasse: no idea
[12:27] <EriC^^> lol daftykins
[12:28] <EriC^^> google said acer gets a boot menu with Esc or f12 maybe
[12:29] <daftykins> hmm, could be any of F8 through F12 i think, can't remember many acers off hand
[12:29] <daftykins> sometimes the devices might be listed inside the BIOS on the exit page too, oddly enough
[12:29] <pauljw> they're a pain
[12:35] <EriC^^> i wonder if there's a way to force it to boot in legacy mode
[12:36] <daftykins> mmm i think all routes would require manual intervention at that point
[12:36] <EriC^^> if did sudo modprobe -r efivars what would happen i wonde
[12:37] <ducasse> EriC^^: either that, or delete the esp on the usb i'm thinking
[12:37] <EriC^^> anyways i think he's just screwing with us
[12:37] <daftykins> *nod*
[12:37] <daftykins> smells like a timewaster
[12:39] <EriC^^> yup
[12:42] <ducasse> daftykins: you think? - http://termbin.com/ek7k
[12:43] <daftykins> i'd have long ago called him a troll/idiot and been banned ;)
[12:47] <EriC^^> now he's youtube's problem
[12:47] <EriC^^> *laughs maniacally*
[12:48] <daftykins> * EriC^^ quickly posts lots of circular youtube vids
[12:49] <EriC^^> youtube saved the day!
[12:49] <EriC^^> makes you think maybe there should be a kind of video/voice technical support kind of thing
[12:49] <ducasse> now just /ignore him :)
[12:50] <EriC^^> if everybody who came was like that it would make sense i guess, i still can't tell for sure if he's trolling or not
[12:51] <EriC^^> it will stay a mystery i guess :D
[12:51] <EriC^^> he does go through a lot of trouble to upload the pics, even though they are almost always irrelevant
[12:53] <EriC^^> .. i feel like shooting myself in the face at this point
[12:53] <BluesKaj> well, he thinks he's found a helping hand holder and he's afraid to let go
[12:53] <Wirehunter> I think that it's a kid installing ubuntu for the first time. Just as stupid as I was when I first did, I probably was 12y/o when I first heard about Ubuntu and tried it. However, I knew how to reinstall Windows, so I didn't need the help he does.
[12:54] <ducasse> EriC^^: isn't the f12 thing the uefi boot manager? looked like it in the video.
[12:55] <EriC^^> hmm i thought it would give a boot options
[12:56] <EriC^^> didn't really continue the video, yeah it does look like the uefi menu
[12:56] <EriC^^> in his case it gave some boot options menu but nothing with usb uefi and just usb :/
[12:57] <EriC^^> oh boy this one keeps getting longer
[12:57] <Wirehunter> Maybe he didn't set legacy/bios mode?
[12:58] <daftykins> how do you mean set? really the plan should just be to reach a one-time boot menu with both boot type entries listed
[12:58] <EriC^^> he did
[12:58] <BluesKaj> I got lucky when i discovered linux, a freind rescued a pc from a dumpster at work that the security guys figured they didn't need anymore and it ended up on my desk here at home. It became my linux test machine and i was away to the linux races so to speak :-), So there was no need to worry about mucking about on our windows pc
[12:58] <ducasse> worst thing is he did, i still think the mbr was not written correctly to the usb, so it will only boot in uefi mode.
[12:58] <EriC^^> daftykins: yeah that's what i'm trying to do, i thought f12 would do the job
[12:59] <daftykins> drat
[12:59] <daftykins> yeah too tough to think of without knowing the exact model machine
[13:00] <EriC^^> he said it's Acer E1-532-2657
[13:06] <BluesKaj> some users are better off not installing linux on uefi machines since it's such a chore if they need windows as well.
[13:08] <pauljw> most users are better off not attempting to install any form of OS.  it's not a trivial matter, even though it seems simple to some of us.
[13:08] <pauljw> uefi really does complicate matters
[13:10] <BluesKaj> hi pauljw , yeah uefi is a pita,  and having a pc to experiment on is a definite advantage
[13:11] <Wirehunter> On some systems, uefi is actualy really nice to use. On my Asus uefi, I can select what bootloader to use. I think it scans the drives for efi files.
[13:13] <BluesKaj> heh, I just wiped the hdd and went with a dos table, i had no intention of keeping W8.1 on the new laptop back in 2013
[13:14] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj :)
[13:14] <EriC^^> i think the support channel helps a lot, when i first tried to install red hat when i was 14-15 i couldn't get it to boot no matter what, i kept getting the dreadful choose Monitor type in the installer and after that button it would always give me a garbled screen
[13:15] <BluesKaj> a Lenovo G500 , suppose it was bit hasty on my part , but at the time i thought uefi was another attempt by MS to block Linux OSs
[13:15] <EriC^^> i ended up using it later when i was like 16 after i had gotten a different monitor and it "just worked" for me, unfortunately it looked very difficult to use and i didnt know much but to search for some commands here and there
[13:16] <Wirehunter> I think I can't even use mbr/bios on my nvme drive :P
[13:16] <EriC^^> so i couldn't really use it for much at all, the channel and all the stuff out there from guides helps a lot
[13:16] <Wirehunter> BluesKaj, No, maybe you're confused with secure boot
[13:17] <Wirehunter> But even Ubuntu has keys for that, right?
[13:17] <ducasse> i learned using linux with a set of slackware floppies and a unix book from the mid-80's. not recommended as a user-friendly approach :(
[13:17] <Wirehunter> Only issue on secure-boot is that you can't install custom kernel modules as nvidia proprietary drivers.
[13:17] <EriC^^> that's pretty cool though
[13:17] <ducasse> Wirehunter: you can if you sign them.
[13:18] <Wirehunter> ducasse, Ah right
[13:18] <Wirehunter> But That's not as easy as apt install nvidia-370
[13:18] <ducasse> hhonestly, i quite like uefi. had very few issues with it, and most of the ones i had was because of me doing something wrong.
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Wirehunter, no I heard stories about uefi beins a plot etc, guess I should have researched it , but it doesn't matter, kubuntu and debian run fine on it in legacy mode
[13:24] <ducasse> BluesKaj: i do have a sneaking suspicion microsoft is up to no good with secure boot, though, until a secondary ca is set up that is also adopted by manufacturers. right now they literally hold all the keys.
[13:25] <ducasse> they've already locked arm down.
[13:25] <daftykins> ARM?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> it's too bad I didn't find out about EriC^^ 's experise with UEFI before I wiped the laptop
[13:26] <ducasse> daftykins: if you want to make phones or tablets that run ms' stuff, you need to lock down secure boot on those devices. users are not allowed to turn it off or add keys - to their own devices.
[13:28] <Wirehunter> Yes, that's terrible
[13:29] <ducasse> one day the manufacturer no longer updates that device, and instead of installing something like linux on it it is now a paperweight.
[13:30] <daftykins> hmm i'm only aware of some weird spin of Windows 10 that's meant for ARM hardware now
[13:30] <daftykins> like a 10 IoT on the Pi
[13:32] <daftykins> any thoughts on confirming whether 4K output is 30Hz or 60Hz on a mates ubuntu laptop? i was thinking Xorg log and xrandr, but i'm not 100%
[13:32] <ducasse> but at some point i'm sure they will extend that to other devices, slowly, so not too many people notice/get upset at a time.
[13:32] <ducasse> daftykins: xrandr should tell you
[13:32] <daftykins> ah good good, thanks :>
[13:33] <Wirehunter> daftykins, maybe info on osd of monitor?
[13:33] <daftykins> not on a laptop, sir
[13:33] <Wirehunter> Ah right
[13:36] <daftykins> tried to tell him just to reboot to Windows to check a bit easier, but nope ;)
[13:37] <ducasse> i like him, then ;)
[13:38] <daftykins> oh no he just gave up entirely and called it a night
[13:38] <daftykins> running a command this late!? ;)
[13:42] <pauljw> heheh
[13:43] <ducasse> i can understand that, it would probably involve reading and stuff.
[13:45] <Wirehunter> So back at creating an installation medium then? :/
[13:45] <ducasse> my lord. five and a half hours, and _nothing_ to show for it.
[13:45] <daftykins> quit while you're behind
[13:45] <daftykins> :D
[13:46] <pauljw> daftykins, would sudo lshw work?  shows display info.
[13:48] <daftykins> hrmm not sure
[13:49] <ducasse> pauljw: looks like it only lists the gpu, afaict
[13:49] <pauljw> ah, okay
[13:54] <BluesKaj> sudo lshw -C video
[13:55] <Wirehunter> Doesn't show refreshrate for me
[13:56] <daftykins> ah i can't stand it when you give someone a command to run and minutes go by without a response
[13:56] <pauljw> i think ducasse is right about that just being gpu info
[13:56] <ducasse> me neither, it doesn't show the screens at all
[13:59] <BluesKaj> wonder what the correct command would be since video obviously means the gpu and not the monitor
[13:59] <daftykins> think i might've been on the money with xrandr first time
[13:59] <daftykins> if not, the full Xorg log certainly should show
[14:00] <Wirehunter> Well xrandr output includes this for me "1920x1080     59.93*+"
[14:01] <daftykins> yeah that should be sufficient
[14:01] <nicomachus> Wirehunter: 59.93*+ is your refresh rate
[14:01] <Wirehunter> I think the asterisk points out the mode that's in use.
[14:01] <Wirehunter> I think so
[14:02] <ducasse> daftykins: the xorg logs also lists it, but it's a bit messier to read
[14:02] <BluesKaj> yeah xrandr seems to give the correct resolution etc
[14:03] <daftykins> ah i'm quite used to Xorg logs :>
[14:03] <BluesKaj> forgot about xrandr ...gonna try to commit that to my poor mrmory
[14:03] <BluesKaj> memory even :-)
[14:04] <Wirehunter> So many outputs http://termbin.com/9aue
[14:04] <ducasse> daftykins: yes, but i was thinking about an idiot user over phone for example :)
[14:04] <Wirehunter> I wonder if I can connect two external displays on my laptop
[14:04] <daftykins> ducasse: :>
[14:04] <daftykins> oh i'd demand logs then
[14:04] <daftykins> i won't read logs through others :D
[14:05] <daftykins> Wirehunter: depends on the chip :>
[14:06] <ducasse> "ex dot oh ar gee vee one point..." :)
[14:06] <Wirehunter> intel 6200u and nvidia gtx 940mx connected through optimus
[14:07] <daftykins> hmm 940m surely
[14:07] <daftykins> probably could have internal + 2 external then mmm
[14:08] <daftykins> *finally* he responds and only has 30Hz to his 4K TV
[14:08] <daftykins> 'only' :>
[14:08] <ducasse> daftykins: over what kind of connection?
[14:09] <Wirehunter> Hmm, maybe he can add a mode. Don't know if that would work.
[14:09] <daftykins> Dell XPS13 9360 kaby lake (7th gen) USB C to HDMI adapter cable by startech
[14:09] <daftykins> same one as i own, except i have the skylake 9350
[14:10] <ducasse> so probably hdmi 1.4, i'd guess. that would limit 4k to 30hz.
[14:10] <daftykins> nope
[14:10] <daftykins> 2.0
[14:10] <ducasse> really? then 60 is possible afaik?
[14:11] <daftykins> yep, just Linux sucking as usual *cough*
[14:11]  * daftykins runs
[14:11]  * ducasse throws a shoe after daftykins
[14:11] <daftykins> nah could be his cable too, tough call
[14:11] <Wirehunter> xrandr --newmode?
[14:12] <daftykins> nah if it doesn't get auto negotiated manual is more than likely to fail hard
[14:12] <Wirehunter> I had to do that to add resolution for my 21:9 screen :P
[14:13] <daftykins> ugh those :P
[14:13] <daftykins> YOLD!
[14:18] <ducasse> daftykins: oooo-k. he was told to write the image with something else, as we suspected it was done incorrectly. he tyhen spends a lot of time downloading rufus and receiving instructions, then when this also fails he explains he silently gave up on rufus and wrote it like last time.
[14:18] <daftykins> lmao
[14:18]  * ducasse is close to tears
[14:19] <daftykins> what's the definition of insanity, again?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> heh
[14:20] <BluesKaj> more like hope and desparation
[14:20] <nicomachus> fud?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> illogical , but not insane
[14:20] <daftykins> well, it's the doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result ;D
[14:22] <BluesKaj> erspecially for ppl who don't know that he's actualy doing the same thing in a loop, obviously thinks something in the "works" may have changed
[14:25] <ducasse> now he's insisting on doing things his way and refusing to listen. well, i'm sure he knows best :)
[14:25] <BluesKaj> think partitoning and trying install linux in a dual boot setup is too daunting for newbs, They should start with a a simple linux install without all complications of dual booting windows. The leaning curve is much too steep for them
[14:26] <daftykins> yep either an old machine or a VM
[14:26] <pauljw> i think they should install virtualbox
[14:26] <BluesKaj> learning curev
[14:26] <EriC^^> efivars can't be removed from the live session
[14:26]  * BluesKaj learns to spel
[14:27] <ducasse> EriC^^: why not? what happens?
[14:27] <daftykins> a hole in spacetime occurs
[14:27] <daftykins> ;D
[14:27] <EriC^^> i'm thinking maybe just install in efi mode and then convert it to legacy and join the efi partition with swap
[14:27] <EriC^^> :D
[14:27] <ducasse> EriC^^: did you unmount them first?
[14:27] <EriC^^> ducasse: it says efivars builtin module *shrug*
[14:27] <daftykins> ah you guys are saints compared to me, i'd have long ago flipped off the screen and set ignore
[14:28] <EriC^^> i tried sudo umount efivars , it removed it from "mount" but the stuff is still in /sys/firmware/efi and the installer still thinks it's installing in uefi mode
[14:28] <EriC^^> now i got grub-efi failed to install
[14:29] <EriC^^> i didnt set an esp in the manual installer
[14:29] <EriC^^> the installer crashed though :D
[14:29] <daftykins> XD
[14:29] <daftykins> !bug
[14:29] <ducasse> EriC^^: run ubiquity with -b
[14:30] <EriC^^> ok let me try that
[14:30] <Wirehunter> Why is his windows install not in uefi mode?
[14:30] <nicomachus> Pentium III and 64mb RAM....? that's gonna be a tough one
[14:30] <Wirehunter> I find that weird.
[14:30] <daftykins> hmm,
[14:30] <EriC^^> ducasse: you mean -d right?
[14:30] <Wirehunter> I can't think of a reason for Acer to install Windows in legacymode on uefi hardware
[14:30] <ducasse> EriC^^: thought it was -b to not install bootloader
[14:31] <EriC^^> i wonder isn't there a way to hide /sys/firmware/efi from the rest of the system somehow?
[14:31] <daftykins> pretty much always seen Windows installed on a factory machine as EFI if it's EFI capable hardware - so must either be too old, or not be the original install
[14:31] <EriC^^> ducasse: oh, the man page doesn't mention it, let me try it anwyays
[14:31] <daftykins> user could've reinstalled via optical and so not gone EFI
[14:32] <ducasse> EriC^^: now he's installing again...in uefi mode :-P
[14:32] <EriC^^> whatt
[14:32] <Wirehunter> :')
[14:33] <EriC^^> ducasse: i think it worked, in the Something else screen there's no Bootloader location at the bottom!
[14:33] <EriC^^> !cookie | ducasse
[14:33] <ducasse> :)
[14:33] <daftykins> ooh the stacks of cookies are out
[14:34] <ducasse> daftykins: you want a !botsnack instead?
[14:34] <nicomachus> !yum
[14:34] <daftykins> !dnf ;)
[14:35] <daftykins> my dad's coming over with a colleague shortly to do my bathroom quote
[14:35] <daftykins> should be here aaaaany minute...
[14:36] <pauljw> :)
[14:36] <daftykins> here we are
[14:36] <pauljw> good luck...
[14:37] <ducasse> brb
[14:41] <BluesKaj> too many cooks
[14:46] <pauljw> becoming a wildfire out there now, isn't it BluesKaj
[14:46] <BluesKaj> well, no point confusing the situation , even if you don't agree with some of the suggestions
[14:47] <pauljw> true
[14:48] <daftykins> cor that was quick, measured the room a bit with a fancy laser job and off they go again
[14:48] <daftykins> reckons he'll price it up tomorrow!
[14:48] <BluesKaj> probly just a matter of sudo dhclient
[14:48] <pauljw> wow, that was quick daftykins
[14:49] <BluesKaj> remodelling eh?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> renovating rather
[14:49] <daftykins> my dad's keeping his distance from the quote due to it being my insurance job, so he's got a colleague to price up the total repair and rework ja
[14:50] <pauljw> :)
[14:51] <daftykins> now i'm messaging a mate of my dad's who works for a competing firm XD
[14:59] <daftykins> aaaaah now i'm really tired :> been up since last night
[14:59] <pauljw> ouch
[15:02] <nicomachus> go to bed
[15:02] <daftykins> thinking about it, but then i'd be up at midnight probably
[15:03] <daftykins> i've only got one meal in the house XD
[15:06] <pauljw> oh no, the dreaded last meal...
[15:06] <daftykins> mmhmm
[15:06] <daftykins> "dafty's last supper" we'll call it
[15:07] <pauljw> :)
[15:07] <daftykins> wow i am really not a fan of that word, even hearing it inside my head...
[15:13] <nicomachus> you know, imagemagick is a GREAT tool, but sometimes I just have no idea what it's doing or why
[15:13] <daftykins> would it not just do what you tell it?
[15:14] <nicomachus> you would think
[15:14] <daftykins> :D
[15:14] <nicomachus> mostly I just don't know why it keeps doing weird background transparencies when I convert a gif into a montage of jpegs
[15:17] <nicomachus> so this: https://i.imgur.com/KOqRmuA.gif
[15:17] <nicomachus> ends up looking like this: https://i.imgur.com/JMI1WVT.jpg
[15:18] <daftykins> hrmm
[15:18] <nicomachus> and then when I put it together with webkit as a sprite... https://www.reddit.com/r/nicomachus/
[15:19] <nicomachus> you get that static-y monstrosity on the sidebar
[15:20] <daftykins> hrmm
[15:22] <nicomachus> see? stupid imagemagick is too smart for me.
[15:24] <daftykins> the funny part is i can almost see the person that made that gif putting it together from the stills to begin, then you're reversing the process
[15:26] <nicomachus> I made the gif
[15:26] <daftykins> damn
[15:26] <nicomachus> from a video
[15:28] <nicomachus> the biggest obstacle here is reddit's limitations when it comes to uploading sprites. jpg or png only, and a max size of 500kb
[15:29] <Wirehunter> Anything interesting happened during the 25 minutes I was on my way to the train?
[15:29] <daftykins> oh it all happened!
[15:29] <nicomachus> mostly just me complaining about imagemagick and their montage feature
[15:29] <daftykins> a feat unlikely to ever be repeated ;)
[15:30] <daftykins> nicomachus: no shh
[15:30] <daftykins> :D
[15:30] <nicomachus> oh
[15:30] <nicomachus> whoops
[15:30] <nicomachus> my bad
[15:30] <daftykins> Wirehunter: nah you're all safe, zero excitement
[15:30] <Wirehunter> Has our friend installed ubuntu already? :P
[15:31] <daftykins> that depends, have we reached the heat death of the universe?
[15:31] <daftykins> nacc: \o
[15:31] <nacc> daftykins: mornning!
[15:31] <nacc> (at least for me :)
[15:32] <daftykins> :D
[15:32] <nicomachus> it would probably be helpful if I knew enough about the options on this man page to make use of them... but they aren't explained very well
[15:34] <Wirehunter> nicomachus, I only installed ImageMagick because a gem from my ruby on rails application wants to use it for making thumbnails.
[15:48] <nicomachus> it's a handy program, that's for damn sure. but it seems to almost have TOO much functionality. haha
[16:00] <BluesKaj> man pages mostly suck for non-coders like me
[16:01] <pauljw> agree BluesKaj, only seem to help me if i've already used command and forgotten what i did with it. :(
[16:02] <pauljw> don't get old!!
[16:03] <BluesKaj> manuals are supposed to use examples if man is short for manual
[16:06] <lordievader> Many manpages do include examples, unfortunately many also don't.
[16:06] <lordievader> The quality differs a lot from man page to man page.
[16:06] <pauljw> heheh... i guess we could write the man pages, but i don't see me doing that, so i try not to complain too much about them.
[16:28] <Wirehunter> Ah, working on partition table, almost finished installing :P
[16:32] <Bashing-om> Rain and rather cool out .. thankfully, IRC here I am !
[16:37] <ducasse> hi Bashing-om, you're here early?
[16:41] <pauljw> hi Bashing-om
[16:41] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Outside chores rained out - Things needing doing but will all await dryer conditions.
[16:41] <pauljw> gotta go for a bit... :)
[16:48] <ducasse> Bashing-om: clearing the garden for spring?
[16:56] <nicomachus> ugh. since when does archive.is not allow traffic from VPNs?
[17:21] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Well, garden prep is on the to-do list :) . Presently got a chore to attend .. away for a bit . be back soonest.
[17:22] <EriC^> Bashing-om: do you know a very neat way to fix clogged drains?
[17:22] <EriC^> i tried to google-help-myself i got salt+baking soda+boiling water, it seems almost worse now the lower pipe suddenly started leaking :D
[17:23] <EriC^> i dunno if it matters i poured a bunch of vinegar cause it was recommended with just baking soda in the end, that's when it went bad and started leaking from below
[17:23] <nacc> EriC^: do you know what it's clogged with?
[17:23] <OerHeks> Baking Soda and Vinegar, use it directly as it starts to gas immediatly, don't inhale! ...
[17:24] <EriC^> nacc: i think it's just hair and stuff like that
[17:24] <nacc> EriC^: do you have a drain snake? i think like 10-15 at the hardware store
[17:25] <EriC^> nope i tried to get the drain thing off but it didn't have a screw at all and screw driver wouldn't buldge it
[17:25] <EriC^> i was thinking to get a water hose and push it as far as i could back and forth
[17:25] <nacc> EriC^: the drain cap is usually reverse threaded
[17:25] <EriC^> aha
[17:26] <EriC^> let me try to turn it
[17:26] <nacc> depending on the type, i suppose
[17:26] <nacc> in our showers, there's a threaded screw cover
[17:26] <nacc> but the underlying shaft (which is screwed into drain) is reverse threaded so you can't accidentally pull it out
[17:26] <Bashing-om> EriC^: Best solution long term that I know of - depending  on where the stoppage is - is to take the P-trap apart and run a wire down the drain . Most pfyem if in the bath room is haid clogging @ the pop-up plug mechanisum . Here one can just pull that plug and a coard hanker with a small hook will pull that hair out the top :)
[17:27] <nacc> yeah, a coat hanger is a good idea, if it's clumped already
[17:27] <nacc> the snake just makes it easier to catch it, as you spin a whisk-like end through
[17:27] <nacc> EriC^: i will say, if the screw hasn't been budged in a while, they are likely very tight :/
[17:28] <EriC^> yeah, i couldn't loosen it up
[17:28] <EriC^> i'll try the coat hanger
[17:34] <ducasse> after nine hours and twelve minutes: <Eric> eric^ its working now its installing
[17:35] <EriC^> coat hanger did the job, i poked around in the middle a bit and it started flowing again
[17:35] <EriC^> thanks guys
[17:44] <DJones> Too many eric*'s inm #u to follow :)
[17:47] <nicomachus> EriC^ and Eric.... yea. And wasn't there a Eric____ or something, too?
[17:48] <ducasse> that's the same one as Eric, and Eric^ is Eric^^ ;)
[17:51] <EriC^> this is like solving a puzzle, how to get info from him in a way that's easy
[17:52] <EriC^> dpkg -l | nah, there's a pipe it might complicate stuff, dpkg -l grub* nah it would be difficult to explain the ii at the start, hmm
[17:52] <ducasse> i gave up on him yesterday, when he refused to answer questions. you're doing great :)
[17:52] <EriC^> it's like when you play video games, this is one of the hard levels you choose when you start it
[17:52] <EriC^> xD
[17:56] <ducasse> dear $deity, now crazytux is here as well :-(
[18:00] <BluesKaj> panic city
[18:08] <Bashing-om> EriC^: Put a small hook on the coat hanger - see what you can pull back out .
[18:11] <BluesKaj> he's become totally intimidated by the process...can't think for himself at all
[18:13] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: EriC^ A 12 year old ? Seems likely .
[18:13] <BluesKaj> maybe
[18:13] <ducasse> what's he going to _do_ with ubuntu when it's finally installed? we're all going to need professional help if he keeps coming back for every little thing.
[18:13] <EriC^> he could be 12
[18:14] <EriC^> i think he's older but not so good with computers
[18:14] <ducasse> if he's a kid, then why not just say so?
[18:16] <EriC^> he has a cellphone
[18:16] <EriC^> i guess he's like 30
[18:17] <EriC^> he reminds me a tad when i helped my dad to try to install lubuntu
[18:17] <Bashing-om> 30 then is no excuse for a failure to think :)
[18:17] <EriC^> he was asking every single step of the way, probably cause he knows i'm alright with computers or something
[18:18] <ducasse> right now i think he's asking proactively, if you know what i mean? so that if he hits a problem, he's already got your attention.
[18:18] <EriC^> then i told him to kind of get adventurous and stuff and he kind of went for it
[18:19] <EriC^> i think i was like what have you done the next time we talked
[18:19] <EriC^> yeah he's a tough one to crack
[18:20] <EriC^> the guy from the channel
[18:23] <EriC^> well he's done finally (almost)
[18:24] <EriC^> hopefully ubuntu benefits him
[18:26] <ducasse> let's hope so. you deserve a beer or something for this one :)
[18:26] <EriC^> ducasse: that -b flag for ubiquity was awesome, it can save a lot of time in cases like this for converting from uefi to legacy and such
[18:31] <EriC^> i learned parted -sl for ignoring those pesky ignore/continue questions that wont let it work with termbin
[18:32] <EriC^> i think he's just screwing with us i swear
[18:33] <EriC^> lol i say choose /dev/sda the first one (it's already highlighted) he pastes [] - /dev/sdb ....i dunno who knows
[18:34] <EriC^> i hope he says something in the end like, ha ha i was just screwing with you guys, i'm actually <some famous dev here or something> and i was just really bored today and a little drunk
[18:36] <Bashing-om> EriC^: ^ in that case . I would not know to be very angry .. and very relieved :) I lost patience with him several days ago .
[18:36] <EriC^> yeah i'd be pretty pissed if he said that
[18:37] <EriC^> it would make a lot more sense though
[18:37] <EriC^> mystery solved and all
[18:38] <EriC^> we're practically dos'ing imgur today :D
[18:48] <ducasse> EriC^: if that does turn out to be the case, i'm going to swear at him for wasting so much volunteer time...
[18:52] <BluesKaj> somehow I don't think he's a dev just playing around for his own amusement ...this has gone on too long for that
[19:21] <EriC^> i wonder how they used to manually boot grub in the older days
[19:22] <ducasse> they didn't, they used lilo :-P
[19:22] <EriC^> with uefi ls -l shows the uuid of the partitions, so it's easy to write it in the linux command to use root=UUID= but what about in legacy ls just shows the hdd names
[19:22] <EriC^> lol
[19:22] <EriC^> if you had a kazillion hdd's and partitions then giving it root=/dev/<your best guess here> would suck
[19:23] <EriC^> unless there's a better way, involving making a pitstop at the initram shell or something?
[19:49] <EriC^> i'm off for a drive
[19:50] <ducasse> EriC^: enjoy :)
[19:50] <pauljw> later..
[19:50] <EriC^> screw it, little lazy now, i'll just drink some beer or something in bed
[19:50] <EriC^> lol
[19:50] <pauljw> heheh
[19:50] <ducasse> you deserve it :)
[19:51] <Bashing-om> Be careful .
[20:35] <Wirehunter> I'm working on a report on my internship using word 2016 in a vm running windows 10. It's truly an awful experience with freezes and crashes. Would not recommend.
[20:36] <Wirehunter> I should have used LaTex :(
[20:36] <ducasse> it's not too late - repent! ;)
[20:37] <Wirehunter> Yes it is, It has to be handed in within 2 hours
[20:39] <Wirehunter> The worst thing is that I started out with LaTex and switched to Word from laziness.
[20:39] <ducasse> ah. then i guess you just have to hope the next two hours are relatively troublefree :(
[20:43] <Wirehunter> And It's so weird that Sharepoint integration is horrible on Word 2016. I never had any issues with word on OS X, but well, my MacBook is ancient. :P
[21:29] <ducasse> Bashing-om: finished outside for the day?
[21:32] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Oh, not uet . still with water delivery issues :( In and out of the house looking the sloppyation over . Beginning to think the pressure switch is the problem on the well head .
[21:32] <Bashing-om> yet*
[21:35] <ducasse> is it going to be a lot of work and/or expensive to fix?
[21:37] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Worst case if it is the pressure switch - bout 40 USD and an hour of time . Been there before :)
[21:38] <Bashing-om> ( I got a plan to check and see !)
[21:40] <ducasse> Bashing-om: oh, that's not too bad i guess. best of luck anyway, may your property not turn into a swamp :)
[21:43] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Too late for the swamp - hard rains last night ! That the reason why I have not gone under the house(s) looking for water leaks .
[21:47] <ducasse> oof :( i'm lucky enough not to have such problems :)
[21:54] <Bashing-om> Pros and cons of living on a farm ( retired ) and in an old old farm house :)
[21:59] <ducasse> this is a modern terrace (i think is the right term) halfway up a hill, so water has somewhere it would rather be :)
[22:01] <Bashing-om> ducasse: "modern terrace" built on a concrete slab ? Worst case situation then is a water leak in the pipes embeded in that slab !
[22:05] <ducasse> i honestly do not know exactly how it's buildt, i've never tried ripping it all up :) they tore down the porch last summer, and beneath that was a layer of some sort of polystyrene or something and a thick layer of gravel - for drainage, they said.
[22:11] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Uh Huh .. let us not fret over what ain't . No leak no worry !
[22:13] <ducasse> Bashing-om: was kind of sad when the underfloor heating in the bathroom broke, though. "yeah, we'll have to rip up the floor for a week or so to fix this", so they just installed this heater thingy over the door.
[22:15] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Sure soinds like " concrete slab " .. pros and cons ...  pros and cons ! .. Fine 'til there is a "problem" .
[22:19] <ducasse> Bashing-om: yep, glad it's not something i need to deal much with if something happens.
[22:20] <ducasse> better get ready for bed, nearly midnight and been here for 14 hours :-/
[22:21] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Rest and recouperation - At that time of 14 hours my eyes do not funtion too well and difficult to engage brain .
[22:23] <ducasse> Bashing-om: me neither, getting old i guess ;) ttyl!
[22:29] <Bashing-om> Nighy note ducasse :)
[23:26] <Wirehunter> Is anyone running nvidia optimus using bumblebee? I tried that when I first installed this laptop, but gave up because I didn't get it to work.


[04:39] <h00k> I made a youtube video with Google's SearchStories
[04:40] <h00k> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on1sBm_8wSI
[05:37] <Takyoji> Apparently google.com uses the HTML5 doctype
[05:37] <Takyoji> (probably because it's shortest)
[21:37] <Takyoji> Gah, I keep forgetting Fedora-specific commands..
[21:59] <rlaager> heh, I'm testing VMware ESX and so I'm having to dust off my RedHat knowledge.
[22:03] <Takyoji> otherwise I hate having my dedicated server pretty much held ransom by a proprietary solution, such as Plesk..
[22:04] <Takyoji> where shell access is pretty much a dark alchemy that could screw anything up.
[22:04] <Takyoji> and if I ever did a distro upgrade, the server would probably spontaneously combust..
[22:05] <rlaager> lol
[22:05] <rlaager> Someone should start a yum repository of one or more .rpm packages that mimic common Debian commands. I think RHEL 5 dropped apt-get, which RHEL 4 had.
[22:05] <Takyoji> It's currently version 8
[22:06] <Takyoji> and I can't update my packages because some file on Parallel's server is missing or not reachable..
[22:07] <Takyoji> (...)
[22:07] <Takyoji> ---> Package php-pdo.i386 0:5.2.13-1.fc8.art set to be updated
[22:07] <Takyoji> ---> Package mysql-server.i386 0:5.0.90-1.fc8.art set to be updated
[22:07] <Takyoji> ---> Package php-mysql.i386 0:5.2.13-1.fc8.art set to be updated
[22:07] <Takyoji> --> Running transaction check
[22:07] <Takyoji> ---> Package sqlite2.i386 0:2.8.17-1.fc8.art set to be updated
[22:07] <Takyoji> http://www4.atomicorp.com/channels/plesk/8.6.0/fedora/8/i386/repodata/filelists.xml.gz: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Not Found
[22:07] <Takyoji> Trying other mirror.
[22:07] <Takyoji> Error: failure: repodata/filelists.xml.gz from plesk: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
[22:07] <Takyoji> and it returns back to bash
[22:07] <Takyoji> They probably even discontinued service to my current version