[19:51] <vish> qense: how to add i-a support of banshee?
[19:51] <vish> only your ppa or has it landed in Lucid..
[19:53] <vish> hmm , what the heck banshee crashed :s
[19:54] <qense> vish: install banshee-extension-appindicator in Lucid, disable Banshee.NotificationArea and enable Banshee.AppIndicator
[19:55] <vish> qense: neat.. ty


[09:55] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: So I think https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Software_Collections/1/html/1.0_Release_Notes/chap-RHSCL.html#sect-RHSCL-Features is enough for us to be happy that Python 2.7 is viable on RHEL6.
[09:55] <Odd_Bloke> "all Red Hat Software Collections components are fully supported under Red Hat Enterprise Linux Subscription Level Agreements, are functionally complete, and are intended for production use."
[09:58] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: And, in fact, GCE Red Hat 6 instances come with the Python 2.7 SCL already installed.
[12:29] <gin> Hello, would you be kind to help me out with Cloud-Init configuration? I want to bootstrap Puppet agent for CentOS 7 (AWS AMI). The given example http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/examples.html#setup-and-run-puppet does not work. From the logs I can see puppet package is missing.
[12:29] <gin> Is this the expected behaviour and I need to add puppet repository myself?
[12:55] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, that is odd. why is that not even remotely what you get when you google python 2.7 rhel
[12:56] <smoser> as recent as july, you have posts like this:
[12:56] <smoser>  http://tecadmin.net/install-python-2-7-on-centos-rhel/#
[13:00] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: If you're a RHEL user, I don't think you have to Google to find solutions.
[13:00] <Odd_Bloke> You have Red Hat to tell you about them. :p
[13:00] <smoser> that just doesnt make sense though.
[13:01] <smoser> and if people are writing things like that blog post (who apparently *are* redhat customers) then surely they're not just doing it because they like compiling their own python
[13:02] <Odd_Bloke> Well, that blog post is about CentOS, not RHEL.
[13:07] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: CentOS appears to have SCLs as well.
[13:08] <smoser> https://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/SCL#head-9c6aea9c13b921d5258446c4c5e5886571bdb741
[13:08] <smoser> yeah.
[13:08] <smoser> (x86_64 only)
[13:08] <smoser> ok. i'm sold on 2.7 for rhel
[13:11] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: GCE image for CentOS 6 also has Python 2.7 installed via SCL, so I think it's viable for both.
[13:23] <gin> How to enforce sequential execution in cloud-init script? The following script adds repository after the attempt to install the package that requires it. http://pastebin.com/YK2SRBnZ
[13:28] <gin> I can't seem to find any documentation regarding this...
[13:30] <larsks> gin: modules are executed in the order in which they are listed in your cloud-init configuration (usually, /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg + whatever #cloud-config data you pass in)
[13:30] <larsks> Typically, runcmd happens near the end of things.
[13:30] <larsks> However, there is an "add repository" module that may be enabled to run before "
[13:30] <larsks> ...before "packages"
[13:31] <larsks> E.g., this example: http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/examples.html#adding-a-yum-repository
[13:32] <larsks> In centos and RHEL, the yum-add-repo module is enabled by default and configured to run before package-update-upgrade-install.
[13:35] <gin> thanks larsks for calrifying. Will try it out now.
[14:51] <gin> has anyone tried cloud-init puppet conf? (http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/examples.html#setup-and-run-puppet)
[14:51] <gin> for CentOS7
[14:52] <gin> I get warning and hence empty puppet.conf file:  util.py[WARNING]: Running puppet (<module 'cloudinit.config.cc_puppet' from '/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/cloudinit/config/cc_puppet.pyc'>) failed
[15:02] <smoser> gin,  i suspect it needs fixing.
[15:28] <gin> smoser, seems like so.
[15:37] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/cloud-init/shim_fixes/+merge/269199
[15:37] <smoser> comments tehre.
[15:48] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Oh, yeah, I'd lost track of that.
[15:48] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks!


[08:28] <tsdgeos> is autonalding not running for unity-mir ?
[08:32] <tsdgeos> anyone for this simple improvement? https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/lvwph_culling_off_by_one/+merge/178689
[09:05] <Wellark> hi guys!
[09:16] <Cimi> Saviq, hey dude, did you fix the connection?
[09:24] <tsdgeos> greyback: is autonalding not running for unity-mir ?
[09:25] <greyback> tsdgeos: not yet no
[09:25] <tsdgeos> ah ok
[09:31] <tsdgeos> greyback: i thought it was and was wondering why https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity-mir/improve_input_area_handling hadn't been merged :D
[09:33] <greyback> tsdgeos: ah damn, I thought I pushed it
[09:33] <tsdgeos> maybe you did
[09:33] <greyback> no I didn't
[09:33] <tsdgeos> and you did not mark it as merged
[09:35] <greyback> LP detects if it is merged. I've never marked a MR as "Merged" myself
[09:36] <greyback> tsdgeos: landed now, sorry for the delay
[09:38] <tsdgeos> ah
[09:40] <tsdgeos> meh
[09:40] <tsdgeos> what's up with the autopilot tests :-/
[09:40] <tsdgeos> change one line in LVWPH get all the autopilot tests that don't use LVWPH at all to fail
[09:40] <tsdgeos> :'-(
[09:43] <greyback> not good. Maybe some state not being reset?
[09:46] <tsdgeos> not sure
[09:46] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: you were complaining your autopilot stuff regressed too, right?
[10:06] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, yep...
[10:06] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, seems like a timing issue
[10:06] <MacSlow> I guess
[10:26] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, have a look at my last comments https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/notification-autopilot-tests-dbus/+merge/177780
[10:27] <tsdgeos> oh it's a different issue than with me
[10:27] <tsdgeos> i had all the tests failing
[10:27] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I'm not chasing that down as I need to focus on the extended snap-decision with unitymenumodel
[10:36] <Saviq> MacSlow, I just restarted CI for that MP
[10:39] <MacSlow> Saviq, ok.. *fingers.crossed* :)
[11:09] <greyback> anyone else get crash when running the qml tests? In MockLauncherModel deconstructor?
[11:25] <tsdgeos> qmluitests?
[11:26] <tsdgeos> or?
[11:34] <greyback> tsdgeos: qmluitests yes
[11:36] <tsdgeos> greyback: hmmm, any particular make testFoo i should run to see if it works?
[11:36] <greyback> tsdgeos: nothing special, I just ran "make qmltests" from inside the builddir
[11:38] <tsdgeos> seem to work here
[11:38] <tsdgeos> lunch, i'll check more carefully later
[11:44] <greyback> back in a bit, need to log out/in
[12:18] <Saviq> MacSlow, looks like the failing test is indeed autopilot's / introspection acting up
[12:19] <Saviq> Cimi, just found your ping in my history - yeah, conn is fine now
[12:20] <MacSlow> Saviq, *sigh* yeah... I'm not chasing that as I'm busy with getting the SimpleAction stuff working in my proof-of-concept "extended snap-decision"
[12:20] <Saviq> MacSlow, yeah, I will take care of it
[12:20] <MacSlow> Saviq, thanks for looking into it
[12:42]  * Saviq is melting..
[12:47] <greyback> Saviq: come to Ireland! It's a far more productive 18 degrees here
[12:47] <Saviq> greyback, good, you're at the top of your abilities, then! ;P
[12:47]  * Saviq is definitely not
[12:47] <tsdgeos> greyback: actually yes, segfaults
[12:48] <greyback> Saviq: after my holiday, you'd expect that, yeah... :)
[12:48] <tsdgeos> make testShell
[12:48] <tsdgeos> boom
[12:48] <greyback> tsdgeos: ok, it's not just me. deleteLater() being called on something that's already deleted?
[12:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, on exit?
[12:48] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yep
[12:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, got the same
[12:50] <Saviq> core is useless
[12:50] <Saviq> lol /me got his background in unity8 all of a sudden :D
[12:51] <tsdgeos> ahhh
[12:51] <tsdgeos> millions of Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)
[12:51] <tsdgeos> in valgirnd
[12:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, looks like one of the mock plugins, though? as the real unity8 doesn't crash
[12:51] <tsdgeos> the warnings are DDA
[12:52] <tsdgeos> nothing big i guess
[12:52] <tsdgeos> not related to the crash
[12:52] <tsdgeos> :-(
[12:52]  * tsdgeos can't unlock the greeter when running on valgrind
[12:52] <tsdgeos> something is probably "too slow"
[12:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: greyback: same bt? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5954939/
[12:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, mine was ??
[12:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, all over
[12:55] <tsdgeos> ah :D
[12:55] <greyback> tsdgeos: yep
[12:55] <tsdgeos> i'm trying to get one with my self compiled one
[12:55] <tsdgeos> it's a bit harder since i need to coherce it to get the ubuntu.components
[12:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5954944/ ;)
[12:56] <tsdgeos> :D
[12:56] <tsdgeos> ah, it's not the components
[12:57] <tsdgeos> it's that LVWWPH is compiled with the other qt and doesn't find the symbols :-/
[12:59] <Cimi> Saviq, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1208833
[12:59] <Saviq> Cimi, thanks
[12:59] <Cimi> my internet here is super unreliable
[13:00] <Saviq> Cimi, confirmed
[13:10] <kgunn> greyback: could you shoot the link you shared yesterday about the upstart monitoring ? (pseudo code i think)
[13:23] <tsdgeos> Saviq: greyback: all: quick one for the uninitialzd values https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fixuninitializedvalues/+merge/178748
[13:26] <mhr3> Saviq, is there any way we could start using real apps scope but have the shell still provide the running apps?
[13:26] <Saviq> mhr3, sure, we're doing that already
[13:27] <mhr3> since i think it'll take a bit longer while the mir appmanager bits are there?
[13:27] <mhr3> Saviq, well... yes, but it's a mess now :)
[13:28] <Saviq> mhr3, not sure how we could un-mess it, though
[13:28] <Saviq> mhr3, one thing we could do, is add a means to supply an "override" to Categories
[13:29] <mhr3> exactly what i was thinking :)
[13:29] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, that'd definitely be cleaner
[13:30] <Saviq> mhr3, should be easy - just tell Categories that for index x use y as results model
[13:30] <Saviq> mhr3, I'm all for that
[13:30] <mhr3> i just really really want us to start using real scopes, there's always something that's missing to take the leap
[13:30] <mhr3> and this would be really nice
[13:30] <Saviq> mhr3, we could use the same for Home
[13:30] <Saviq> mhr3, +1
[13:31] <mhr3> now, who'll do that? my qmlfu isn't on that level :P
[13:32] <greyback> kgunn: this what you mean: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/libupstart-flesh/view/head:/libupstart-app-launch/upstart-app-launch.h
[13:32] <kgunn> greyback: ah...that's the one
[13:32] <greyback> kgunn: that's the proposed API for tedg's upstart library, which will do the hard work for shell in launching, quitting, and monitoring apps
[13:33] <kgunn> greyback: got it...we call those from shell...and rest is tedg magic
[13:33] <kgunn> ?
[13:33] <greyback> kgunn: exactamundo
[13:34]  * tedg breaks out his wand
[13:34] <kgunn> tedg: any guesses as to when that might land ?
[13:34] <tedg> Really Upstart does the heavy lifting of tracking processes, etc.
[13:34] <kgunn> ...workin' on our app life cycle story
[13:34] <tedg> kgunn, Uhm, Colin sent me an e-mail that the click stuff I needed should be in this morning.
[13:35] <tedg> I think the biggest thing we're waiting on is the MIR for Click.
[13:35] <tedg> Though I need to update to a couple changes he made.
[13:36] <tedg> So, I guess the question is more: when do you need it?  If it's soon, we can push those things.  If not, they'll probably happen naturally this week.
[13:36] <mhr3> Saviq, wait, did you mean to have that override in the unity plugin's Categories class itself?
[13:37] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, that's where getResults is, and creates the DeeFilterModel, right?
[13:37] <mhr3> indeed
[13:37] <Saviq> mhr3, so instead of creating the DeeFilterModel, it'd return a model provided
[13:37] <mhr3> hmm... why not
[13:37] <mhr3> thx, i'll try that then
[13:38] <greyback> tsdgeos: we've switched to Qt5.1 in CI, right?
[13:38] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[13:38] <tsdgeos> no?
[13:39] <Saviq> greyback, no
[13:39] <greyback> Saviq: ok
[13:39] <Saviq> greyback, we'll only switch when 5.1.1's ready
[13:39] <Saviq> greyback, at least that's the plan now
[13:39] <greyback> Saviq: good to know, thanks
[13:52] <Saviq> greyback, lp:~unity-team/unity8/unity8-integrate-mir-obsolete - can be deleted?
[13:52] <greyback> Saviq: yep
[13:53] <Saviq> Wellark, lp:~kaijanmaki/unity8/launcher-backend - is this branch active?
[13:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so we have in real repos all that was in unity next?
[13:55] <tsdgeos> and all if it is daily released?
[13:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes, unity8 is in distro now
[13:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so are all our dependencies
[13:55] <Saviq> mterry, lp:~mterry/unity8/unity8-mir-update - is this branch active?
[13:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yeah i know somehow unity8 installed itself here (or maybe i did)
[13:56] <Saviq> ;)
[13:56] <tsdgeos> Saviq: cool we can kill the ppa then, i'll approve your branch
[13:56] <Saviq> pstolowski, lp:~stolowski/unity8/rating-filter - can you delete this branch if inactive?
[13:56] <mterry> Saviq, let me see...  I don't remember that branch name
[13:56] <Saviq> mterry, it's ~mterry ;)
[13:56] <mterry> Saviq, I've been framed!
[13:57] <kgunn> tedg: sorry, got distracted...actually we would love that support asap if its as easy as asking for it
[13:57] <kgunn> tedg: we were kind of shooting for being in touch trunk by next week
[13:58] <mterry> Saviq, oh...  that was for testing an update of the unity8-mir branch from trunk.  It's not active
[13:58] <Saviq> mterry, delete then, please
[13:59] <tedg> kgunn, Okay, and trunk means in distro now, right?
[13:59] <tedg> So we need to solve the MIR issue as well by then.
[13:59] <kgunn> tedg: yeah
[13:59] <pstolowski> Saviq: ok, done
[14:00] <Saviq> pstolowski, cheers
[14:00] <tedg> kgunn, I'll ping Colin on that one again, I think that's the long pole here.  I know it's on his TODO list, but I'm not sure where exactly.
[14:00] <kgunn> tedg: cool....let me know it helps if i whine :)
[14:01] <tedg> kgunn, wine always helps ;-)
[14:02] <kgunn> tedg: what's kinda the best guess on all that concluding & the interface being available....
[14:02] <tedg> kgunn, I'm thinking end of this week.
[14:02]  * kgunn prefers reality :)
[14:03] <kgunn> tedg: thanks and thanks for chasing Colin
[14:03] <kgunn> greyback: ^
[14:03] <tedg> It's mostly ironing out details at this point.  There's no significant work left.
[14:04] <greyback> kgunn: noted, thanks
[14:05] <Wellark> Saviq: yes, it is
[14:05] <Saviq> Wellark, ok thanks, just doing some housekeeping :)
[14:05] <Wellark> tedg: hi! I need to talk with you later today :)
[14:05]  * Saviq lost gtk-window-decorator again
[14:07] <Saviq> grr since when restarting the window manager results in apps being killed? :|
[14:08] <Saviq> yikes my prompt is colorful
[14:08] <tedg> Wellark, Ah, cool.  What's up?
[14:09] <Wellark> tedg: hud bug :)
[14:09] <tedg> Wellark, IMPOSSIBLE!
[14:09] <Wellark> we are probably missing a couple of source_changed() somewhere :9
[14:10] <tedg> Hmm, okay.
[14:10] <tedg> bregma, Did you guys ever get to look in switching to libhud-client?  What was the conclusion there?
[14:10] <Wellark> and also I'm not sure if I fixed (can't remember really..) the problem with queries becoming broken when hud quits
[14:11] <Saviq> kgunn, ping
[14:11] <kgunn> Saviq: pong-ish
[14:20] <tedg> dednick, Were you able to find the Upstart signal for indicators starting code?  I don't remember where we left that.
[14:22] <dednick> tedg: i havent had chance to look into it
[14:24] <dednick> tedg: i don't even know if there ever was a trigger on phablet. none of the indicators used upstart.
[14:24] <tedg> dednick, There's no trigger needed really.  You can just emit random events even if no one is listening.
[14:25] <dednick> tedg: sure, but you need to emit it from somewhere.
[14:25] <tedg> dednick, We now have libupstart, so it'd probably make more sense to use that.  Let me do a quick patch there.
[14:25] <dednick> tedg: ok
[14:30] <bregma> tedg, we have neither the expertise nor the time to do that work
[14:30] <bregma> we're overloaded as it is
[14:31] <Saviq> hmm Cimi, something's wrong with the background - see https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-saucy/1641/?#showFailuresLink
[14:31] <Saviq> Cimi, all the videos show black background
[14:31] <Saviq> Cimi, and no of the tests pass 'cause the greeter waits for the image to be ready before treating itself as ready
[14:32] <Saviq> *none
[14:32] <Saviq> Cimi, there's been a bunch like that already
[14:34] <tedg> bregma, okay, do you think it'll be possible for 14.04?  I'd really like to drop the legacy interface for the LTS.
[14:35] <bregma> tedg, hard to say, depends on how many more of my guys get stolen for other projects
[14:35] <bregma> we always welcome merge proposals
[14:36] <dednick> Saviq: indicator listview delegates arent getting notified to delete themselves (deleteLater is being lost). :/
[14:36] <dednick> they are getting their Component.onDestroy called, but no delete. weird.
[14:36] <tedg> bregma, heh, yes.  Let's discuss at UDS.  I'd really like it to make the list.
[14:37] <Saviq> dednick, interesting
[14:37] <tedg> Perhaps I can convince olli_ to not let your guys get stolen :-)
[14:40] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah, the background fallback isn't working
[14:44] <dednick> #boredofbuildingqt5source
[14:47] <Saviq> Cimi, with http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5955258/ testShell shouldn't pass, why does it?
[14:49] <tedg> greyback, kgunn, FYI: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1208800
[14:51] <tsdgeos> dednick: get moar cores!
[14:51] <tsdgeos> dednick: anything i can try for you?
[14:51] <tsdgeos> i've the stable branch compiled here
[14:52] <dednick> tsdgeos: thanks, but it's something pretty specific i'm trying to debug.
[14:52] <Saviq> Cimi, bug #1208868 is Critical for you
[14:52] <dednick> tsdgeos: my laptop melts is i use 4 cores...
[14:52] <tsdgeos> dednick: :-/
[14:52]  * tsdgeos copiles with -j10
[14:52] <tsdgeos> gets a bit hot sometimes but never has rebooted or anything
[14:53]  * dednick has evny
[14:53] <tsdgeos> dednick: what are you building stable branch or?
[14:53] <dednick> libqt5core5
[14:54] <tsdgeos> from our packages? or from git?
[14:54] <dednick> tsdgeos: packages
[14:54] <tsdgeos> ah, ok
[14:54] <tsdgeos> i'd suggest you to try 5.1, everything is much better in there :D
[14:55] <bregma> didrocks, our automated C-I merge is not working due to armhf issues, do you think https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubiquity/rename-gtk-desktop/+merge/178149 is OK for a manual merge?
[14:55] <dednick> tsdgeos: yeah, i was considering that.
[14:55] <didrocks> bregma: if it's ubiquity, ask xnox, but the change looks fine
[14:56] <seb128> bregma, how is a manual merge going to help you?
[14:56] <seb128> bregma, the package is going to fail to build in the archive anyway
[14:56] <seb128> bregma, rsalveti is working on fixing libhybris so hopefully we get stuff back in shape by eod
[14:57]  * xnox agrees with seb128. arhf FTBFS, will get manual merge stuck in saucy-proposed, and CD are only built from release pocket.
[14:57] <bregma> ah, right, I was thinking the armhf fail was because of moving to the new hardware (the timing was the same), my mind is just catching up with my brain
[14:58] <bregma> sorry for the noise, I'll go back to sleep
[14:58] <seb128> xnox, next time ship a compat symlink the time for users to be ported
[14:58] <seb128> xnox, you can still do that today btw
[15:00] <xnox> seb128: meh, it's once in a lifetime change =)
[15:11] <Wellark> whee.. I just installed saucy on my brand new Dell XPS13 just to see compiz crash on the first boot ;(
[15:13] <Wellark> oh, wait what.. apport tells me that I have old packages installed even though the installer was supposed to do an update..
[15:20] <Saviq> greyback, tsdgeos https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/revert-background/+merge/178782 please
[15:20] <Saviq> Cimi, reverting background, there's work still to be done there
[15:22] <tsdgeos> Saviq: waiting for launchpad to catch up :D
[15:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, and upstream merger, I'd imagine
[15:23] <tsdgeos> that too :D
[15:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but you can easily test locally
[15:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, just set your background in dconf-editor (org.gnome.desktop.background) to something invalid (like an empty string)
[15:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ap tests will fail
[15:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, there's a few other bugs around that that I'm filing right now
[15:24]  * seb128 shakes fist at Saviq
[15:24] <Saviq> seb128, ;)
[15:25] <seb128> :p
[15:26] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you mean picture-uri in there?
[15:26] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes
[15:28] <tsdgeos> Saviq: big question is, if that's upsetting autopilot how did it get merged? :S
[15:28] <Saviq> tsdgeos, indeed
[15:32] <greyback> tsdgeos: Saviq: tests passing here, so I'm ok to revert
[15:33] <tsdgeos> +1
[15:52] <nic-doffay> Saviq, having problems creating an animation in a list delegate. "cannot apply object to list". Any suggested workarounds?
[15:52] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, ^
[15:53] <Saviq> nic-doffay, mzanetti is away
[15:54] <Saviq> nic-doffay, what do you mean "create an animation in a list delegate"?
[15:55] <nic-doffay> Saviq, eg https://pastebin.canonical.com/95503/
[15:58] <Saviq> nic-doffay, nothing wrong with that, I don't think your error is related to the animation
[16:00] <Saviq> nic-doffay, your problem relates to the fact that ListItem.Standard can't have children
[16:01] <nic-doffay> Saviq, it can't have children?
[16:01] <nic-doffay> Children existed before this animation.
[16:01] <nic-doffay> And do now?
[16:03] <Saviq> nic-doffay, just use "data: [ UbuntuNumberAnimation { } ]"
[16:03] <Saviq> nic-doffay, otherwise it tries to assign a non-visual object to children of ListItem.Standard and fails
[16:03] <Saviq> nic-doffay, see http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-item.html#data-prop
[16:04] <Saviq> nic-doffay, hmm or wait, that might break things
[16:05] <Saviq> nic-doffay, it might be a bug in the SDK, though
[16:06] <Saviq> nic-doffay, ah! bug #1190509
[16:09] <nic-doffay> Saviq, ah
[16:10] <nic-doffay> Saviq, how do I then access the animation to start it from resources?
[16:10]  * tsdgeos waves until tomorrow
[16:15] <Saviq> nic-doffay, id: whatever, the usual
[16:17] <nic-doffay> Saviq, doesn't seem to be working.
[16:18] <nic-doffay> Saviq, will do more digging thanks for the help with the resources though.
[16:31] <Cimi> Saviq, I was on holiday this afternoon but got time to look at it now...
[16:34] <Saviq> Cimi, don't, we've reverted - you'll look into it tomorrow
[16:34] <Cimi> Saviq, ok tomo morning
[16:35] <Saviq> nic-doffay, it might be a side-effect of the fact that "resources" are slightly special
[16:35] <Saviq> nic-doffay, another way would be to go "property NumberAnimation: UbuntuNumberAnimation { }"
[18:15]  * greyback eod


[02:38] <srwalter> I wonder why CONFIG_NET_USB_ZAURUS is disabled in the gutsy kernels?
[08:26] <osmosis> ipw3945 on gutsy seems broken.
[08:27] <osmosis> hence, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/129112
[08:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129112 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Please update to iwlwifi 1.0 and latest ucode" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[08:27] <osmosis> says fix commited, but how do I fix my laptop?
[10:55] <sarahl> argh https://oiflist.com/cgi-bin/hello.php
[10:55] <sarahl> why isnt this working
[10:55] <sarahl> root@ubuntu:/etc/apache2# chmod 777 /var/www/oiflist/hello.php
[10:55] <sarahl> root@ubuntu:/etc/apache2#
[10:58] <sarahl> crap apache2 misconfiguration
[10:59]  * sarahl sets the mime type
[11:27] <sarahl> god i hate apache
[12:13] <ln-> sarahl: and this is related to ubuntu kernel exactly... how?
[12:41] <sarahl> not
[13:13] <sarahl> you know most of the difference between ubuntu and fc these days is apt vs. rpm and a bit of gnome polish?
[13:18] <ln-> and also the fact that in fc bugs are fixed, in ubuntu they are not.
[13:18] <sarahl> hehe
[13:18] <sarahl> lets not smash ubuntu now
[13:22] <sarahl> just one thing though what about kernelwise?
[13:22] <sarahl> is it not very different to fc?


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 @SivaMachina welcome to modern times lol
 @Ivoriesablaze, Still not quite yet there. I still need to get WiFi.
 Do you have an isp and just need a router?
 No internet what so ever outside my phone
 Where are you?  Zimbabwe?  Ethiopia?
 At this point it feels more like a blender
 By that I mean. A difficulty finding work do my own lack of experience and seemingly or perceived inability to function like a normal f'ing person. … Also other issue(s) that is making things so much harder to deal with. … Is it to late to send a s.o.s?
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[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 The new plasma 17 beta is simply amazing in wayland mode!  Slightly buggy... but wow!  Disconnecting/reconnecting monitors is very fast!  Native apps look fantastic with mixed dpi displays. Buttery smooth window dragging from one display to another.
[20:20] <valorie> good to hear, @DarinMiller
[20:20] <valorie> I've not tested wayland yet
 sudo apt install plasma-workspace-wayland .... logout, selected wayland and log back in.  X and wayland have differnent settings files so you can safely switch between them.
[20:26] <valorie> very cool!
 So many milestones.... screen rotaion is now working.... Now onto the bug stomping and polishing phase....
[20:49] <valorie> agreed
[20:49] <valorie> it's been a long road
 5.17b also fixed this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360478
 So exciting!!!
[21:44] <valorie> often the papercut fixes are The Best!
[21:44] <valorie> @DarinMiller did you remember that SeaGL is approaching?
[21:44] <valorie> seagl.org
 Seattle ❤
[22:14] <valorie> @x_sun -- are you coming to SeaGL?
[22:14] <valorie> it's always fun to have more people staffing the table


[00:07] <supremekai> In other words, I cannot login with root at the main menu
[00:07] <supremekai> how can I login with the user account "root" in ubuntu 20.04? besides using it in the terminal like "su root"
[00:08] <Bashing-om> !root | supremekai
[00:08] <oerheks> sudo -i # is the ubuntu way for a proper root environment
[00:09] <oerheks> * from the 1st account created
[00:17] <shibboleth> supremekai, edit pam.d/su
[00:17] <shibboleth> or use sudo
[00:23] <JanC> when you aren't experienced with linux/unix, you probably don't want a root environment, but just use sudo in front of commands that (really) need to be root
[01:55] <Geo> So, dorking around with a new install, I added a new user with key-based login (no password), +aG'd it, but then tried to run sudo and realized... duh. Is it not possible to run sudo in this scenario?
[01:58] <oerheks> indeed, you need to add the user to sudoers , or usermod -aG sudo username
[01:58] <oerheks> * from the 1st account created
[02:00] <Geo> thanks
[02:00] <Geo> so i did that usermod though
[02:00] <oerheks> then log out, and login as that user
[02:00] <Geo> And I can see the user in the sudo group
[02:01] <Geo> oh... does it time out after login maybe?
[02:01] <Geo> because looking back in the logs, sudo worked earlier from this account
[02:02] <Geo> and logging out/in, it still doesn't work
[02:03] <Geo> but it was working fine yesterday
[02:03] <Geo> and I'm still in the sudo group
[02:04] <oerheks> weird
[02:06] <Geo> I love when it breaks in the first few minutes of usage, and its literally faster to just start over than try and troubleshoot what weird corner case typo I broke it with
[02:06] <Geo> thanks again
[02:58] <webchat41> hi
[03:00] <webchat41> Can someone plz tell me as to why I'm not getting the automatic partition option while installing ubuntu on my dell optiplex 390?
[05:43] <hexypandadriver> Hi
[05:43] <hexypandadriver> I was thinking about encrypting my whole drives
[05:44] <hexypandadriver> How do I do that best?
[05:49] <LiftLeft> hexypandadriver, veracrypt
[05:59] <chronon> I use cryptsetup.
[09:17] <cbreak> encrypted zfs
[09:17] <wez> \o/
[09:31] <yarddogg> do you know if there is a help page/file for ubuntu/mac ?  anyone run ubuntu out of the mac/ parallels
[09:35] <toddc> yarddogg: I know Virtualbox works on mac with ubuntu guest
[09:36] <yarddogg> yeah, i'm using parallels
[09:36] <toddc> yarddogg: it should but i have never tried it
[09:36] <mjt> yarddogg: are you having trouble with something in particular?
[09:37] <yarddogg> i'm probably just having a brain fart
[09:44] <deanc> I have an apple magic keyboard and i'd like that when i press the f4 key it does the equivalent of pressing "show applications" in the dock
[09:44] <deanc> I have googled this, to no avail, it only talks about fixing other quirks with the function keys, but this is all i need :)
[09:48] <mjt> deanc: have you looked at the keyboard shortcuts area of the settings application?
[09:48] <mjt> I would have thought it'd be possible using that
[09:55] <deanc> mjt, what application?
[09:55] <deanc> this is a system wide key
[09:56] <deanc> oh, doh, sorry let me check :)
[09:56] <deanc> yeah it's mapped to f4 but pressing it does de nada
[10:06] <mjt> deanc: not sure, sorry. I think I once had to do a reboot after adjusting a shortcut.
[10:10] <deanc> i think this shortcut was set some time ago
[10:11] <deanc> the support for this keyboard on ubuntu is pretty awful :<
[11:37] <yarddogg> deanc: how old is the kb?
[11:43] <RougeR> heya
[11:44] <RougeR> i seem to have lost my ethernet connection in ubuntu 20.04
[11:50] <RougeR> this is my NetworkManager.conf
[11:50] <RougeR> https://dpaste.org/qSRq
[11:52] <jeremy31> RougeR: Do you have a network connection on that computer?
[11:53] <RougeR> jeremy31, ive got a usb wifi nic plugged in
[11:53] <RougeR> im on that computer currently
[11:53] <RougeR> when i run the old ifconfig command it shows loads of random bridges for some reason
[11:54] <jeremy31> RougeR: post URL from terminal for>  lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:54] <RougeR> https://termbin.com/s66i
[11:55] <RougeR> ive got 2x physical ethernet nics and a usb wireless nic
[11:56] <RougeR> ifconfig
[11:56] <RougeR> https://termbin.com/licf
[11:57] <jeremy31> RougeR: what happens if you>  sudo modprobe r8168
[11:57] <RougeR> got a vpn configured as well
[11:57] <RougeR> jeremy31, will check
[11:57] <RougeR> also of note, the built  in realtek nic is infamous for issues and i have had problems with it in the past
[11:57] <RougeR> im looking to replace it with the pci-e nic...but i dont why it would suddenly stop working completly
[11:59] <jeremy31> RougeR: if you got a kernel update it may have broke the r8168 dkms
[11:59] <RougeR> "modprobe: FATAL: Module r8168 not found in directory /lib/modules/5.4.0-77-generic"
[11:59] <RougeR> jeremy31, yeah i had something to do with a kernel issue a few months back
[12:00] <jeremy31> RougeR: try> sudo apt install --reinstall r8168-dkms
[12:01] <RougeR> kk
[12:02] <jeremy31> RougeR: once it is done, reboot.  I have to go for a while
[12:02] <RougeR> kk
[12:02] <RougeR> much appreciated
[12:02] <RougeR> im thinking i might do an update to  ubuntu 20.10 if this doesnt work
[12:03] <RougeR> and then the lastest 21.04
[12:07] <RougeR> no dice
[12:31] <deanc> yarddogg: about 1.5yrs old
[12:36] <chronon> Oh noes 3244 open tabs in Firefox. There has to be a better way. I think I need to join Tab Hoarders Anoymous and come clean about having a serious addiction.
[12:39] <sixwheeledbeast> tab groups
[12:42] <chronon> Intriguing. How do tab groups work, how could they help?
[12:44] <rapid16> Does MariaDB have a default root password?
[12:47] <sixwheeledbeast> You put tabs in groups so you can manage them.
[12:48] <chronon> Well, I'm currently using "Tree Style Tab" which is fairly godo for management of tabs. Merely grouping tabs would seem to be less organisationally useful than keeping them in tree hierarchies.
[12:49] <chronon> s/godo/good/
[12:51] <jeremy31> RougeR: URL for> dmesg | grep r8168 | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:52] <RougeR> jeremy31, running
[12:54] <leftyfb> rapid16: not by default, no
[12:54] <RougeR> jeremy31, no output from dmseg
[12:55] <RougeR> ive just finished the upgrade to 20.10
[12:55] <RougeR> need to reboot, its going to bump the kernel/headers i think
[12:55] <RougeR> let me see what this  does
[12:56] <RougeR> jeremy31,
[12:57] <RougeR> welp
[12:57] <RougeR> the upgrade to 20.10 fixed it
[12:57] <jeremy31> I wonder what broke it
[12:57] <RougeR> i think the kernel and nic driver were mismatched in some way
[12:58] <RougeR> ive seen a few other posts about it and its something ive had a few issues with too
[12:58] <jeremy31> Must have been a change in the newer kernel that the r8168-dkms wasn't patched for
[12:58] <RougeR> would anything like that auto-update?
[12:59] <RougeR> because i swear this broke without me doing anything
[12:59] <RougeR> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1259947/cant-get-rtl8125b-working-on-20-04
[13:00] <jeremy31> No, that is a totally different device on askubuntu
[13:00] <RougeR> hmm
[13:01] <RougeR> maybe i did an apt-get upgrade and forgot about it and that did it
[13:01] <RougeR> or maybe i blindly ran a command that did the update
[13:02] <jeremy31> The r8168s have been around for a while, I have never needed the r8168-dkms for mine but most of the time I use wifi
[13:02] <RougeR> https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/update-to-r8168-8-048-03-14-breaks-ethernet/6324
[13:02] <RougeR> wait
[13:02] <RougeR> july
[13:04] <jeremy31> last change in Ubuntu for 20.04 was 29 April
[13:04] <RougeR> hmmm
[13:06] <RougeR> jeremy31, i had an issue  around then if i remember
[13:06] <RougeR> im wondering if i set something manually and it then got reverted
[13:11] <RougeR> ah idk, it was probably be bodging a fix in around april when it looks like a few people had issues with an update
[13:11] <RougeR> and then i probably did something to break that hacky fix which took effect on reboot
[13:12] <RougeR> 20.10 upgrades kernel and to 5.8.0-59-generic from 5.7 and fixes it i guess
[13:13] <ice9> patches like what does canonical apply on the kernel shipped in ubuntu?
[13:15] <jeremy31> Looks like Ubuntu has been using the 8.048 version of r8168 since January 2020
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:22] <RougeR> jeremy31, huh im not sure then
[13:23] <RougeR> could have been me trying to fix the drivers around then
[13:23] <RougeR> the card i had previously was known to be buggy
[13:23] <RougeR> either way, i appreciate your help and glad its fixed
[13:23] <RougeR> ill probably stick it out on 20.10 a while longer or at least create a timeshift backup first before attempting to go to 21.04
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> realtek will always be kernel itchy RougeR
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> good thing to affect yourself on current bugs
[13:25] <RougeR> yeah that is what im thinking...i use this machine for both work and personal. stability and support are my main reasons for using ubuntu
[13:26] <RougeR> lost a days work on friday when this went wrong
[13:27] <RougeR> ive got a new pci-e NIC a friend gave me now though, which whilst still a realtek chip seems to be much more linux friendly
[13:27] <RougeR> https://www.amazon.co.uk/EN-9260TX-Gigabit-Ethernet-Express-Network/dp/B002SDFV0Q
[13:36] <hassoon> hi
[13:37] <bewees> hello
[13:37] <bewees> is there a list of deb hashes on ubuntu mirrors or can I only retrieve the hash sums for the source file tar.gz?
[13:38] <Mekaneck> hassoon: hi there, if you have a support question just ask. Offtopic chatter is in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[13:42] <calaz> Hello, I've just done my usual sudo apt update and I got this message https://pastebin.com/CRsuAL0T . What's wrong with that repo?
[13:59] <abhijit> Hi All. in latest kernel and wireless sound is not detected. function keys are not working. ubuntu 20.04. how can I fix it?
[14:03] <SysGhost> Using KDE, I wonder... is there something one can use to temprary disable screen locker/power saving? once upon a time I used a KDE feature where one can park the mouse cursor at a given corner, and the computer would be kept awake and online for as long as the power allowed for it.
[14:03] <SysGhost> that feature no longer exists in KDE
[14:21] <Mekaneck> SysGhost: best to ask in #kde
[14:21] <SysGhost> I have... so far no activity.
[14:21] <Mekaneck> then wait :)
[14:21] <SysGhost> I suspect I'm using very unique special edge cases ^.^
[14:22] <Mekaneck> nah
[14:22] <wez> I dislike edge cases
[14:22] <SysGhost> Using my laptop for presentation at our local makerspace.
[14:23] <SysGhost> For now all automatic screen locking is disabled. But I tend to foget to hit ctrl+l every now and then...
[14:38] <GSMarquis> Does anybody know where user data is saved in Telegram Flatpak under Ubuntu?
[14:40] <ioria> GSMarquis,  check ~/.local/share/TelegramDesktop/
[14:40] <GSMarquis> It doesnt exist in .local/share I looked
[14:41] <sixwheeledbeast> ~/.var/Telegram* ?
[14:42] <GSMarquis> I have a spam message that somehow removed the ability to unpin it and delete it. I have removed the app all together and reinstalled but still there.
[14:44] <ioria> GSMarquis,  yeah, check ~/.var  (hiiden)
[14:44] <GSMarquis> I think I got it. I uninstalled it, delete all the data in .var for telegram and reinstalled it. Its gone. Damn spammers.
[14:44] <GSMarquis> Still finding loopholes in telegram they are.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> telegram should be banned :-)
[14:52] <wez> telegram?
[14:54] <tomreyn> be?
[14:58] <wez> What is it?
[14:58] <Mekaneck> what is what wez?
[15:00] <wez> Mekaneck: telegram
[15:01] <Mekaneck> wez: just google it
[15:02] <Mekaneck> it's not even ubuntu related by the way
[15:03] <wez> Mekaneck: oh
[15:07] <ice9> is there specific patches to canoncial that are applied to ubutnu linux kernel? other than the vanilla kernel
[15:09] <sigv> Yes.
[15:10] <ice9> sigv, in which areas of the kernel and where to find out about them?
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> ice9: you can follow ubuntu on launchpad and its bugs
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> ice9: there's also an #ubuntu-kernel team working on the kernels
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> was there anything specific you needed help with ice9 ?
[15:15] <ice9> lotuspsychje, i just wanted to know what is different in the Ubuntu kernel than other distros
[15:15] <sigv> ice9: When you see `linux-image-5.4.0-77-generic` then you expect 5.4 kernel, with important updates (security patches) applied. Specifics on the changes depend on the specific revision.
[15:16] <sigv> So it is a somewhat customized kernel in these cases, where you have some some patches being pulled in as needed.
[15:17] <bewees> what are those files? https://mirror.internet.asn.au/pub/ubuntu/archive/dists/focal/by-hash/SHA256/
[15:28] <bewees> found what I needed, Packages.gz got all .deb hashes :-)
[15:28] <sigv> bewees: instead of having a "package name" or something like that, you just have a hash that you download through.
[15:28] <sigv> bewees: for reference, i suppose: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Format#indices_acquisition_via_hashsums_.28by-hash.29
[15:29] <bewees> sigv: perfect, thanks!
[15:31] <bewees> i wonder who signs the packages, I guess it's the responsiblity of the package maintainer, not developer, provided the developer doesn't package himself
[15:34] <bewees> why does Ubuntu by default use http not https in apt sources
[15:34] <tomreyn> packages aren't signed, repositories are, so its the repository admin who signs them.
[15:35] <bewees> tomreyn: good to know, thanks!
[15:36] <tomreyn> because https has some (quite little nowadays) overhead on the hosting infrastructure. and since repositories are already gpg signed, that's not strictly neccessary.
[15:37] <tomreyn> it's still nice to have since TLS provides a little and different features than repository signing.
[15:38] <bewees> tomreyn: would it be possible that my system accepts to install a .deb package if it's signed by a non repository admin, but by another gpg key that happens to be on my local keyserver?
[15:41] <tomreyn> bewees: again, packages aren't signed, repositories are.
[15:42] <tomreyn> keys your apt installation is configured to trust are stored in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg*
[15:43] <tomreyn> any apt repository you have configured (and the packages provided by it) that is signed by these keys will be trusted.
[15:44] <tomreyn> apt won't be configured to talk to your local keyserver out of the box, so this would be a non-issue
[15:46] <bewees> oh thanks, makes much more sense now. just didn't understand "repository is signed" part. i understood that the admin signs it, but I thought each package is signed by the repository admin either way. i thought the .sig at the package provides the signature for each package hmm
[15:48] <bewees> or maybe you mean just Realese.gpg which is signed and then each hashsum is compared by apt install? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/
[15:48] <tomreyn> bewees: have a look at https://mirror.internet.asn.au/pub/ubuntu/archive/dists/focal/ - there is Rele and Relese.gpg. the latter is a gpg signature by the repository admin over the "Release" file
[15:48] <bewees> ohhh yeah!! thanks :-)
[15:49] <bewees> apt-mirror just does the same, but just with all of the repository I guess?
[15:50] <bewees> trusting the repository Release.gpg, or does apt-mirror compare multiple repositories to double check trust with multiple parties
[15:51] <bewees> yep, it's doing the same according to https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/apt-mirror/ where you specify the repositories you want to mirror from
[15:53] <tomreyn> i would assume that apt-mirror doesn't actually touch the gpg signatures. it may try to verify them, though.
[15:54] <av2156> ddddddddddd
[15:54] <tomreyn> av2156: hi, do you have any ubuntu support questions?
[15:55] <bewees> yeah, meant for verifying
[16:01] <bewees> the .dsc signature which resides next to each package in pool/*/<package>/..  is for the source files apparently. those seem to be signed by the maintainer though: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/auctex/ see .dsc and tar.gz
[16:03] <tomreyn> thats right
[16:05] <tomreyn> source code redistribution and patches over it (which should be the source for binary packages) are signed by the package maintainer.
[16:07] <pandadriverredca> hello everyone
[16:08] <tomreyn> patches also include pre/post install scripts etc., so what ends up in control.tar.gz
[16:08] <pandadriverredca> these post install scripts are really helpful
[16:19] <easyme> Is there any problem if someone used ubuntu on virtualbox?
[16:25] <easyme> *someone uses*
[16:27] <Mekaneck> easyme: no, why shoudl it be a problem?
[16:27] <Mekaneck> shoudl/should
[16:28] <Mekaneck> you are free to use ubuntu how you feel like it, in a VM or on real hardware
[17:19] <hellla> There is war between Libera/Freenode. Don't suffer come to IRCdotFREEENODEdotCHAT <== new network for only chat.
[17:19] <hellla> Come fast register your channel, first come, first serve basis.
[17:30] <ice9> hi francis
[17:37] <Sven_vB> hi :) can several routing tables have the same preference number in /etc/iproute2/rt_tables? (if relevant, in focal)
[17:45] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: i think there's supposed to be a 1:1 match between route table names and IDs (so "no" then). but why would you want to do that?
[17:48] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, I'm making an ansible script that puts a routing table declaration into /etc/iproute2/rt_tables.d and want to figure out how to best pick the preference number. if they could be reused, I could put just a static file.
[17:49] <ice9> it's not possible anymore to file a bug on launchpad website directly?
[17:50] <Mekaneck> never was afaik
[17:50] <krytarik> Ok, that's simply not true.
[17:50] <tomreyn> ice9: it's still possible, but less accessible, because it's discouraged. use ubuntu-bug instead
[17:50] <Mekaneck> krytarik: my bad, i read it wrong
[17:52] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: i see. i guess you could just put static files there, as long as preference IDs won't overlap.
[17:52] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, yeah, so to make it useful for other people I should have some detection mechanism.
[17:53] <tomreyn> probably so
[17:53] <Sven_vB> I wish man 8 ip would be a bit more detailed about preference
[17:53] <tomreyn> try man 8 ip-route then
[17:54] <Sven_vB> oh, thanks!
[17:56] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[17:56] <Sven_vB> nah, it also only explains the preference for routes, not routing tables
[17:57] <Sven_vB> oh ok, it just doesn't have the keyword "preference" in the "Route tables:" explanation
[18:00] <Sven_vB> I see, the kernel uses a 32 bit number to identify the tables. the names are just aliases for humans. so I assume I could declare multiple names with no problem except confusion, but also no benefit usually.
[18:48] <Enissay> is there any GUI tool to mount drives ?
[18:49] <Enissay> E: Unable to locate package mountmanager
[18:51] <pavlushka> Enissay: gnome-disk-utils
[18:51] <pavlushka> or gnome-disk-utility
[18:55] <Enissay> Aha, thanks... The last is already installed but was not intuitive... I just got in now <3
[19:02] <catalase_> hi, i am trying to add some keys in ubuntu server 20.04.1 and i get "gpg: keyserver receive failed: Server indicated a failure"
[19:02] <catalase_> this is the input: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys 3FA7E0328081BFF6A14DA29AA6A19B38D3D831EF
[19:10] <tomreyn> catalase_: most of the time (but not always, sadly) this means the key does not exist on the server.
[19:10] <tomreyn> catalase_: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?search=3FA7E0328081BFF6A14DA29AA6A19B38D3D831EF&fingerprint=on&op=index
[19:11] <tomreyn> the web interface does think this key does not exist on the server
[19:11] <alkisg> catalase_: hkp, not http?
[19:11] <tomreyn> catalase_: this ony (prefixed with 0x) does, though: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?search=0x3FA7E0328081BFF6A14DA29AA6A19B38D3D831EF&fingerprint=on&op=index
[19:13] <tomreyn> hkp or hkps would be correct there, gpg doesn't speak HTTP in general, just the HKP
[19:14] <tomreyn> (apt-key is a wrapper around gpg for the most part)
[19:15] <alkisg> Yeah the same command works fine here, key imported
[19:16] <catalase_> i think my resolv.conf didn't have namserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:16] <catalase_> i did hkps and 443 and add nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> to my resolv config and it work
[19:16] <catalase_> thanks all
[19:20] <tomreyn> catalase_: it wasn't a resolver issue. it most likely was just about the "0x" prefix to the fingerprint.
[19:30] <Guest46> Hello, my Dell e6400 was running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.  It prompted me to upgrade to 18.04 LTS.  The upgrade process gave me some errors, but clicking ok let it proceed.  Then, (this is all typed in from handwritten transcript)...
[19:30] <Guest46> >installing the upgrades
[19:30] <Guest46> ...
[19:30] <Guest46> Setting up linux-firmware (1.173.20)
[19:30] <Guest46> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-210-generic
[19:30] <Guest46>  /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu_EGL.conf: No such file or directory
[19:30] <tomreyn> !paste | Guest46
[19:31] <tomreyn> Guest46: you're muted right now, but this will be automatically undone shortly
[19:31] <tomreyn> Guest46:speek freely after reading what ubottu told you.
[19:32] <Guest46> Thank you for help! https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9wbmMRWTSY/ I'm trying to cope with Ubuntu update on cranky machine.
[19:33] <tomreyn> !16.04 | Guest46: you might already be aware of this (?)
[19:34] <Guest46> I did not know that, it's not my daily driver.  I'd like to update to 20.04 LTS. Can I update from the ISO without losing data?
[19:34] <oerheks> if you have no backup of your data already, it is not important
[19:35] <tomreyn> Guest46: i always forget about the correct answer to this question, don't knoiw. but you'll certainly need to (release) upgrade 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS first of all, if upgrading is what you want, raather than a fresh installation.
[19:35] <Guest46> I don't follow you, oerheks.  Should I expect trouble updating from an end of life distribution following its prompt?
[19:36] <oerheks> Guest46, you already took that risk, upgrading to 18.04...
[19:36] <tomreyn> a segfault during initrd generation isn't a great indication on a stable system, though.
[19:37] <Guest46> Sorry I'm too trusting, and pressed for time.
[19:38] <tomreyn> Guest46: i guess if it's stuck in the initrd generation process now, and ctrl-c doesn't help it move forward, then try to kill the process
[19:38] <tomreyn> kill -9   if needed
[19:38] <Guest46> tomreyn, can you make a couple of reasonable guesses as to the reason for the segfault?  You seem to know your stuff.
[19:39] <tomreyn> not really, i don't know anything about this system other than what you told us so far. chances are that the ubuntu installation is in a bad state becuase unsupported changes were applied.
[19:40] <tomreyn> there could also be lack of disk space, hardware errors, a whole lot of possible reasons to consider, system logs can help.
[19:41] <quantum> before upgrading to ubuntu I had a folder I mounted with the following command: sudo mount -t ecryptfs ~/Documents_encrypted ~/Documents_encrypted
[19:41] <tomreyn> quantum: "upgrading to ubuntu"? what were you running previously?
[19:42] <quantum> I was upgrading from an old version of linux mint. I copied the folders over but cannot mount them. I have the correct password
[19:42] <Guest46> tomreyn, I did ctrl-C in the upgrade window, and confirmed to do it.  The upgrade process doesn't seem to be moving along.  I'm thinking step back and punt - boot with SysRescueCD and try to recover data onto a flash drive, then do a fresh install.  Does that sound like a good plan?
[19:42] <quantum> I am suspecious that something has changed with the default encryption or whatever, is there any way to tell what is going on
[19:42] <tomreyn> so did you try to "upgrade" from a different distribution, or did you do a fresh installation=?
[19:42] <quantum> tomreyn, it is a fresh install yes
[19:43] <oerheks> quantum, old version of mint.. interesting, result may vary
[19:43] <alkisg> Guest46: check the output of `dmesg` for hardware errors. If you have hardware errors, put the disk ELSEWHERE to save its data
[19:43] <tomreyn> quantum: that sounds better. ;-) but ecryptfs is deprecated, if not unsupported in current releases
[19:44] <quantum> it is there as part of mount it seems
[19:44] <Guest46> Thanks alkisg, I'm not sure how to do that.  I'm in the upgrade window.  Would I do an Alt-something to get a terminal window?  It's been a couple of years since I worked in Ubuntu.
[19:45] <tomreyn> quantum: there should be a script called "ecryptfs-recover-private" or similar which you could possibly use to recover the data
[19:46] <quantum> yeah, maybe, I guess I just don't understand what is wrong. maybe there is something besides the key I type in that is needed. I copied my old home folder so I should have everything
[19:47] <quantum> if I need to copy some files
[19:47] <tomreyn> Guest46: a reboot may fail because the initrd didn't seem to generate properly. you might be able to boot an earlier kernel image + initrd, if you havw one, but i'd rather ssh a second time and see if i can recover any data before meoving towards a reboot.
[19:47] <tomreyn> (and check dmesg there, too, on the other shell)
[19:47] <oerheks> quantum, make sure that share is unmounted before upgrading .. not sure the mint way is going to do what you want
[19:48] <oerheks> my advise: fresh install, no mint cruft
[19:48] <quantum> o.k. but for right now, i need an encrypted folder, what is the easiest option
[19:48] <quantum> since it sounds like ecryptfs is out of the quest
[19:48] <quantum> ion
[19:49] <tomreyn> quantum: which ubuntu release is this?
[19:49] <quantum> 20.04.1
[19:49] <tomreyn> i think fscrypt should work then - but i can't guide
[19:50] <quantum> ok
[19:50] <Guest46> sorry tomreyn, I recognize your words but don't know how to carry out the actions without more detail.  I thought ssh was a download method?  And how do I reach "the other shell"?  Then, do I 'cat dmesg'?
[19:50] <tomreyn> quantum: alternatively, you can create a file based (and loop mounted) crypto container using cryptsetup
[19:52] <tomreyn> Guest46: hmm, are you the only admin of this system?
[19:53] <tomreyn> Guest46: ssh stands for "Secure SHell", it provides a "command line" where you can execute commands remotely on the server. you can also use it to transfer files in and out of the server, right.
[19:53] <Guest46> Sorry, tomreyn, I am.  I live in a rural county of about 2K people in central Montana, in a ghost town.  I'm the local computer support, almost all ancient Windows flavors.
[19:54] <Guest46> I've been doing computers since programming apple ][ machines, ha ha
[19:55] <tomreyn> Guest46: :) But not a whiole lot of Linux, yet, I guess. Npow how do we resolve this? Maybe the easiest thing you could do is to install Ubuntu on another computer or VM and then attach the storage of this one to it so that you can recover your data?
[19:57] <tomreyn> Most file systems from Ubuntu 16.04 LTS are still supported in 20.04 LTS, so this should probably work - unless there are hardware problems or the file system has become corrupted beyond repair.
[19:57] <Guest46> tomreyn... so, ssh would be the connection to download the 18.04 update?  I think the machine finished that download before installing, then ran into trouble.  Yah, I think that's a good plan to use a different machine to try to recover the data.  Maybe this old beast's motherboard/CPU is going funky.
[19:58] <Guest46> I really appreciate the help; this does seem to be an unusual problem.  My searches were not turning up any useful advice.
[19:59] <tomreyn> Guest46: ssh is roughly the same as when you rdp to a windows server, then spawn a "cmd"
[19:59] <tomreyn> very roughly ;)
[20:01] <tomreyn> Guest46: i'd guide you more, but i've been sitting here too long, will take a pc break for a while, and soon head to bed... sorry.
[20:01] <Guest46> tomreyn, It would take me quite a bit of research to understand that, sir.  Does it matter whether the machine I install Ubuntu on is a 32 or 64 bit?  Is a 32 bit version of 20.04 LTS available?
[20:01] <Guest46> Bless you, and thanks very much, sleep well
[20:03] <tomreyn> there are only 64-bit installers since 18.04 LTS. which one you're running should not matter for whether you'll be able to access the data on the file system (but then we don'T know exactly what file system type you have there).
[20:03]  * tomreyn bbl
[20:15] <Mekaneck> tomreyn: 18.04 still had 32 bit iso's, Ubuntu officially dropped 32 bit since 19.10 iirc
[20:17] <Mekaneck> 18.04 however was the last LTS release to support 32 bit
[20:17] <shibboleth> ehm?
[20:17] <shibboleth> you mean 1604?
[20:19] <gsker> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1014149/how-come-ubuntu-18-04-lts-has-a-32bit-iso-installer   Ubuntu's developers decided to drop 32-bit image for vanilla Ubuntu (in fact it's already dropped, there is no Ubuntu 17.10 32-bit image), but (at least some of the) other flavours will continue supporting 32-bit systems for now.
[20:21] <gsker> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2019-June/001261.html  i386 architecture will be dropped starting with eoan (Ubuntu 19.10)
[20:23] <Mekaneck> shibboleth: no, 18.04 was the last LTS to support 32 bit isos
[20:24] <shibboleth> https://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/
[20:25] <shibboleth> https://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[20:25] <shibboleth> i see i386/x86 images for xenial but not for bionic
[20:25] <shibboleth> also, re what gsker said
[20:26] <gsker> xubuntu had i386 images for 18.04  but not Ubuntu: https://xubuntu.org/download/
[20:26] <alkisg> Also http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/18.04/release/ubuntu-mate-18.04.5-desktop-i386.iso
[20:28] <shibboleth> dunno what ubuntu mate is
[20:29] <shibboleth> but i've been keeping up on mainline ubuntu isos and i seem to recall x86 isos stopped with xenial
[20:29] <alkisg> All linux distributions have different "faces", desktop environments: xfce (xubuntu), mate, kde (kubuntu), lxde (lubuntu) etc
[20:32] <gsker> And you can use any of those desktop environments and stil keep on mainline ubuntu.  So you can eschew the gnome3 shell and use xfce4 instead without switching to Xubuntu just by installing some different packages.  Xubuntu just makes it the default and is tuned for that desktop environment.
[20:34] <gsker> I install ubuntu and then I remove all the desktop environments. From the lightdm login screen I run compiz and cairo-dock via a $HOME/.xinitrc file.
[21:04] <Sven_vB> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search.py?q=bash has some misplaced </tr> tags, in case anyone wants to fix it or report it properly.
[21:07] <mra90> I try to use GPIO API writing kernel module but have problem with obtaining gpio_desc
[21:09] <rbasak> Sven_vB: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manpage-repository/+filebug if you don't mind
[21:11] <xue> Hi all, im not using systemd on daily basis and i need your help. My wifi dongle is old and netplan doesnt like to work with it, so i would like to swap it for connman. Which services should i disable to be able to run connman?
[21:11] <mra90> in order to do anything with GPIO I need to obtain "struct gpio_desc"
[21:11] <xue> its clean ubuntu server instalation
[21:11] <mra90> but this struct is different in include headers of my OS
[21:13] <Sven_vB> rbasak, done, bug 1933772
[21:15] <rbasak> Thanks!
[21:21] <xue> so, no one knows how to turn off dhcp and netplan
[21:23]  * gsker looks at conman description
[21:23] <jeremy31> xue: you can turn off dhcp in Network Manager
[21:23] <gsker> What part of conman requires you to disable dhcp and netplan?
[21:23] <shibboleth> i already answered in -server: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031709/ubuntu-18-04-switch-back-to-etc-network-interfaces
[21:23] <xue> jeremy31: yeah, thx ill install xorg just for that
[21:23] <jeremy31> xue: didn't see that you had server install
[21:23] <oerheks> xue share the hardware info bout your wifi dongle too
[21:24] <oerheks> how do you tell it is not supported?
[21:24] <xue> oerheks: realtek 8188eus
[21:24] <xue> bc i have tried many times
[21:24] <jeremy31> xue; what does it show as in lsusb?
[21:25] <xue> jeremy31: i said RTL8188eus
[21:25] <xue> ok, let me try that again
[21:26] <jeremy31> xue, I need the USB ID
[21:26] <xue> which services in this abomination of a software called systemd are resposible for network configuration
[21:26] <xue> i want simply to turn them off and start connman service
[21:27] <xue> thats literally all i need
[21:27] <jeremy31> xue, that should be supported as I have ID 0bda:8179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188EUS
[21:28] <xue> jeremy31: i should have noted that its raspberry pi
[21:28] <oerheks> ....
[21:28] <jeremy31> xue, it shouldn't matter if it is running Ubuntu
[21:29] <gsker> xue what does conman have to do with complete network configuration?
[21:29] <oerheks> rasppi gives its own firmware package, AFAIK
[21:30] <xue> gsker: i want to know, which services should i disable, bc insead of sane numer of services (like in superior runit) systemd with clean installation has abot 100 of them
[21:30] <xue> one with more mysterius name than the other
[21:31] <oerheks> connman does not make that RTL8188EUS suddenly work
[21:31] <shibboleth> xue, this is the third time i've told and instructed you in how to replace netplan. is your attention impaired?
[21:31] <oerheks> one needs to build them from git https://askubuntu.com/questions/1170202/how-to-install-rtl8188eus-driver-on-ubuntu-18-04
[21:32] <xue> shibboleth: im sorry but i have you on ignored and cant see you msgs
[21:32] <xue> oerheks: it turns out, that it does
[21:32] <xue> i turned off services that i felt like are responsible for network configuration
[21:33] <xue> and it worked, but i was worried that i turned off too many things
[21:33] <xue> so i reinstalled os once more and now i want to only turn off things that are nessesary
[21:34] <shibboleth> i'm sorry, that doesn't compute
[21:34] <jeremy31> oerheks: There is a module in staging that should support the rtl8188eus in 18.04
[21:34] <xue> shibboleth: maybe, but its something we call open© source© software© quality©
[21:34] <shibboleth> anyway, i'm directing my attention elsewhere
 xue, this is the third time i've told and instructed you in how to replace netplan. is your attention impaired?
 shibboleth: im sorry but i have you on ignored and cant see you msgs
[21:35] <shibboleth> obviously you *can* see the messages
[21:35] <shibboleth> anyway, i'm directing my attention elsewhere
[21:35] <xue> shibboleth: are you redditor shibboleth ?
[21:35] <xue> i dont like to insult people, but you are acting like one
[21:35] <shibboleth> what's a redditor?
[21:35] <shibboleth> also, pretty sure this is off-topic
[21:36] <gsker> Yeah. It is off topic as it's asking how to run a crippled systemd system.  Xue - if don't want to run systemd, you should switch to a distribution that does _that_. It'll likely be a lot easier.
[21:37] <gsker> But if your problem is the driver for the USB network and it doesn't work under an already configured system, then you might have some specific questions....
[21:40] <xue> gsker: it is off topic but nomally i use gnu+linux operating system that does just that (doesnt use FBI's exploitable hellhole called systemd)
[21:40] <xue> gsker: ok, im presenting my question
[21:40] <j2bv16> Ok.....
[21:41] <xue> which services, in clean ubuntu server installation (18.04) i need to disable to run connman
[21:41] <xue> (supported till april 2023)
[21:42] <gsker> You can't that's not part of standard Ubuntu -- and this channel is about standard ubuntu.
[21:43] <xue> what?
[21:43] <xue> so gcc isnt part of standard ubuntu either?
[21:43] <gsker> Unrelated.
[21:43] <jeremy31> What is wrong with asking on #ubuntu-server
[21:44] <xue> jeremy31: its dead like my grandfather (very dead)
[21:45] <jeremy31> xue, try asking on askubuntu.com ubuntuforums.org or https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[21:46] <xue> jeremy31: thx, ill probably call my local computer repair shop, maybe they will know
[21:47] <ice9> will ubuntu 21.04 get kernel 5.12?
[21:55] <oerheks> ice9, not likely
[22:01] <Aavar_> Does anyone know of a good guide to moving a container from proxmox to lsc (ubuntu)?
[22:02] <oerheks> lxc or lxd ?
[22:03] <Aavar_> oerheks: sorry. lxc
[22:03] <Aavar_> (I don't know the difference, but I think lxc)
[22:03] <oerheks> yes, i thought it was a typo too, lxc
[22:05] <oerheks> i hope that proxmox is not a OpenVZ container
[22:10] <oerheks> this tutor might be a help https://amoldighe.github.io/2018/07/24/proxmox-move/
[22:10] <Aavar_> oerheks: thank you :)
[22:25] <Enissay> Are there any sticky notes windows like that are synced (cloud) ?
[22:27] <xue> Enissay: gnote
[22:27] <xue> it has plugin installed
[22:29] <sixwheeledbeast> tomboy used to be the classic sticky note program but i am sure there are lots out there.
[23:04] <xue> crisis solved
[23:04] <xue> thank you all
[23:05] <user217_>  hello. How I can identify app that running,  but not displayed in task bar ?
[23:06] <user217_> any tool like 'xkil' but with identify functions?
[23:06] <user217_>  *or like 'kcolorchooser' for colors identifier
[23:09] <tomreyn> user217_: xprop | awk -F'=' '/_NET_WM_PID/ {print $2}' | xargs ps
[23:10] <Bashing-om> user217_: Consider - top: It too has the ability to kill a process.
[23:14] <Enissay> in ubuntu gui, how to edit folders path manually... It is very irritating
[23:15] <tomreyn> Enissay: Do you mean some applications' file open / save windows, or Gnome Files?
[23:15] <tomreyn> Ctrl - L then.
[23:15] <Enissay> yesss
[23:16] <Enissay> Thank you, I was loosing my mind
[23:22] <user217_> tomreyn: looks like really nice. But cant identitfy my app: https://pastebin.com/raw/BKpRYR1g  https://itmages.su/images/2021/06/28/767959d1b5464e205bea918b85bd87b2.png
[23:38] <user217_> tomreyn: anyideas how to identify this window ?
[23:49] <gsker> user217  task manager.  Are you running kde?
[23:50] <gsker> Plasma/Tasks https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Tasks#The_Plasma_Task_Manager


[07:47] <jo-erlend> Does anyone know when GTK4 will hit Hirsute?
[07:58] <amurray> jo-erlend: given gtk4 is only packaged in debian experimental currently, it will not be part of hirsute, so you'll have to wait until hirsute+1
[07:59] <JackFrost> Though the final release of GTK4 is in NEW now, so may make it into unstable soon.  But I say there's no rush.
[08:04] <jo-erlend> Well there is for me. I've been dying to get started. I guess I'll just switch to Debian.
[08:06] <tarzeau> what's already using gtk4 that you can't wait? just being curious
[08:09] <jo-erlend> tarzeau, my program? :)
[08:13] <tarzeau> jo-erlend: url?
[08:14] <jo-erlend> tarzeau, the program doesn't exist because I don't have access to GTK4 yet. I really want to get it going.
[08:16] <jo-erlend> I guess I could build it, but I'm lazy :)
[08:16] <tarzeau> so it's not something that already works with gtk3 (or 2 or 1)?
[08:17] <tarzeau> what was your reason to pick gtk and not say something else?
[08:17] <JackFrost> Only supporting GTK4 seems a bit...
[08:25] <jo-erlend> tarzeau, well, I love GTK, but since my program will depend heavily on trees and grids and that's fundamentally changed in GTK4, there's no reason for me to write it in GTK3 first.
[08:26] <tarzeau> i mean you're aware there are other gui toolkits? (and i'm not refering to motif or tcl/tk)
[08:26] <tarzeau> although gtk is not very old, i wouldn't call it very modern, nor portable
[08:27] <jo-erlend> tarzeaum,
[08:27] <jo-erlend> tarzeau, yes there are lots of other toolkits. There are other operating systems too. But I happen to love GTK.
[14:06] <LocutusOfBorg> jo-erlend, is it ok to have gtk in a ppa?
[14:08] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+packages
[14:12] <ItzSwirlz> I don't see any reason against it IMO if it's just for testing and for yourself purposes.
[15:14] <LocutusOfBorg> ItzSwirlz, was that an answer to me?
[15:14] <LocutusOfBorg> lol
[15:14] <LocutusOfBorg> jo-erlend, I had to sync also pango-1.0 from debian, but meh, it built fine, so you are free to use it if you like
[15:18] <ItzSwirlz> LocutusOfBorg yeah
[15:20] <LocutusOfBorg> ItzSwirlz, thanks for allowing me to do that, but I did to answer another user lol
[15:21] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: rbalint: Laney: does one of you happen to know the location (and who has e.g. restart powers) of systemd ci tests running on Ubuntu infra?
[15:22] <cpaelzer> I can derive between ubuntu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and systemd-ci<EMAIL_ADDRESS>logs that there is a different
[15:22] <cpaelzer> "autopkgtest-bionic-upstream-systemd-ci-systemd-ci" scope
[15:22] <cpaelzer> I was wondering if there would be a counterpart to https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/systemd/bionic/s390x that is about those upstream tests somewhereß
[15:22] <cpaelzer> ?
[15:23] <Laney> there's no web UI, no, sorry :(
[15:23] <cpaelzer> We (bluca and me) would want to try re-starting a job for https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/18095#issuecomment-752218666
[15:24] <cpaelzer> what else than web could we use to retry those without pushing a new commit - is there something hidden in the github integration that can rerun it?
[15:24] <Laney> Not by me, I don't have the keys - ddstreet does and maybe some upstream people
[15:25] <cpaelzer> ok, thank you a lot for the info Laney!
[15:25] <cpaelzer> most likely waiting for ddstreet to be around then ...
[15:26] <ddstreet> cpaelzer for restarting, it would require the github private key for the systemd project, which I don't have, so i can't restart the upstream systemd ci test runs; however keszybz does have a script that he got from mpitti that allows him to restart tests
[15:27] <bluca> oh that's good to know, let me ping keszybz
[15:27] <Laney> doh
[15:27] <Laney> sounds like those keys should be shared to ddstreet to me :>
[15:27] <cpaelzer> at least we got the info we needed, thanks ddstreet
[15:27] <bluca> I hereby proposed KEY="password"
[15:27] <cpaelzer> bluca: can you work with that from here?
[15:28] <bluca> yes I can go down the restart route and cross fingers, but if it fails again due to selinux linkage, then I'm going to be back to the start...
[15:28] <Laney> build failures aren't usually flaky though
[15:28] <Laney> ...
[15:29] <bluca> for context, there's a PR where the bionic s390x fails to link a binary, and we can reproduce it on the PR consistently, at least when we looked
[15:29] <bluca> but cannot repro it on a VM or on cpaelzer's testbed
[15:29] <ddstreet> cpaelzer bluca re: a better way to get the upstream ci test results, i use autopkgtest-manager to pull them down to my local system; it's still a bit painful (and there are LOTS of upstream test results so it takes a while) but better than hand-inputting the urls
[15:29] <cpaelzer> Laney: we have build the same branch in a container (including the PPA that upstream enables) just fine multiple times and iterating on config opts
[15:30] <bluca> the error is:
[15:30] <bluca> /usr/lib/s390x-linux-gnu/libselinux.so: undefined reference to `pthread_once'
[15:30] <bluca> when lining the cdrom_id binary which the PR changes - but no change whatsoever to build flags, only code changes
[15:30] <bluca> so it's too much of a coincidence to ignore, but a complete WTF otherwise
[15:31] <bluca> (no selinux changes, no pthread changes)
[15:31] <Laney> cpaelzer: still, I doubt it's a flake but rather some difference in the way the tests are run
[15:31] <bluca> if it was an unrelated binary or flaky I'd shrug it, but it's the source being touched and it is consistent
[15:32] <Laney> Maybe you can use Canonistack to run them, see the first line in a failing log for the command used
[15:32] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration#Reproducing_tests_in_the_cloud
[15:34] <bluca> thanks - cpaelzer do you have superpowers to access that?
[15:34] <bluca> in the meanwhile I pinged keszybz
[15:34] <Laney> fingers crossed ;-)
[15:35] <bluca> we had 4/5 builds in a row fail like that, not just a couple - only hope at the moment is that something was temporarily broken in the image/env that day...
[15:57] <bluca> big nope all around: it failed again, exactly the same
[15:57] <bluca><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:59] <bluca> we are really stuck on this, and would appreciate any kind of help
[16:08] <bluca> linker command is identical in working vs failing case
[16:09] <Laney> cpaelzer: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4jjvRFwpmW/ <- that works for me to reproduce the issue
[16:09] <Laney> you'll want to fix the --keyname at least
[16:10] <Laney> unless you named your key in tribute to me, in which case aw shucks
[16:12] <cpaelzer> awesome, I'll give it a shot after the calls here
[16:12] <cpaelzer> thanks Laney
[16:12] <bluca> thank you both
[16:27] <ddstreet> Laney heh i live in Raleigh, tho i assume yours is named for the bike company :)
[16:27] <Laney> heh
[16:28] <Laney> well if I elide some tedious details then yes it is
[16:28] <Laney> they're from nottingham which is where I am
[16:28] <ddstreet> they do make great bikes
[16:29] <Laney> their huge factory used to cover the site where the university's computer science building now is
[20:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> rafaeldtinoco: Hey! Looks like the script worked for some packages, but I'm having trouble updating agordejo with is in the ubuntustudio-audio seed. Not sure why it didn't get picked-up by the script.
[20:51] <rafaeldtinoco> lemme check for u
[20:52] <rafaeldtinoco> Eickmeyer[m]: it did not pick agordejo
[20:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> Weird.
[20:52] <rafaeldtinoco> let me c
[20:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> ok
[20:53] <rafaeldtinoco> Eickmeyer[m]: is it really in the seed ?
[20:54] <rafaeldtinoco> my germinated does not show it (when I ran)
[20:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Weird. Lemme see...
[20:54] <rafaeldtinoco> i could find it under hirsute*universe*binary
[20:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Let me check the metas real quick, but it's saying "everything up to date" on the seed itself.
[20:56] <rafaeldtinoco> I'll query the acls by hand (and update if needed)
[20:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm running update on the metas, I'm not seeing it showed-up in the recommends for some reason.
[21:01] <rafaeldtinoco> Eickmeyer[m]: I added it to ubuntustudio pkgset
[21:02] <rafaeldtinoco> make sure its in the seed (for the next time I run the script)
[21:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> rafaeldtinoco: Ok, thanks. :)
[21:02] <rafaeldtinoco> let me know if it works ;)
[21:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> rafaeldtinoco: Yeah, the meta updater came up with "No changes found." so I don't know what's going on there.
[21:05] <rafaeldtinoco> hum
[21:08] <rafaeldtinoco> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntustudio/commit/?id=90dc0cfa79983b45d88c1a2a774f09010f4fc544
[21:08] <rafaeldtinoco> you added qwinff in 12-28
[21:08] <rafaeldtinoco> lets see that one
[21:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> rafaeldtinoco: Well, I just uploaded the new version of agordejo, so that worked. Not sure about qwinff yet.
[21:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> I have nothing to update there.
[21:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hopefully this next week that won't be an issue anyhow since I'm applying for MOTU.
[21:12] <rafaeldtinoco> you will have the same issue.. the changes I had done automatically were
[21:12] <rafaeldtinoco> Would add sources to ubuntustudio:
[21:12] <rafaeldtinoco> ayatana-ido
[21:12] <rafaeldtinoco> libayatana-appindicator
[21:12] <rafaeldtinoco> libayatana-indicator
[21:12] <rafaeldtinoco> mate-optimus
[21:12] <rafaeldtinoco> python-setproctitle
[21:12] <rafaeldtinoco> sphinx
[21:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> That makes sense since mate-optimus pulls that in. We added it for hirsute. It's not just a mate tool and should really be renamed, but it works for all DEs.
[21:15] <rafaeldtinoco> just ping me if you find any other package that should have been added to your pkgset and I'll add it
[21:15] <rafaeldtinoco> I have to review the pkgset script further this cycle anyway...
[21:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> rafaeldtinoco: Ok, thanks for your help!
[21:24] <rafaeldtinoco> np, anytime


[09:30] <rmg51> Morning
[10:12] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:15] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[12:53] <ChinnoDog> morning
[13:46] <argv_turk> who here's a XJ owner?
[13:46] <argv_turk> was it you KyleYankan ?
[13:46] <argv_turk> thoughts on getting one? i'm looking at that or a Forester
[13:47] <KyleYankan> XJ owner?
[13:47] <KyleYankan> Oh. Car. No, I drive a Oldsmobile. Like my father did, and his father.
[13:47]  * KyleYankan hangs head in shame
[13:48] <argv_turk> :-)
[13:48] <argv_turk> no shame in that
[13:48] <argv_turk> My best bud has had a almost amazingly reliable Alero since like 02'
[13:48] <argv_turk> i thought someone here was...
[13:49] <argv_turk> square-r00t: it was you then?
[13:54] <square-r00t> hmm? not i
[19:32] <InHisName> I noticed that one of my domains is expiring and the renewal cost is to the moon.  For a xxx.us domain who is offering a good deal on 10 years of registrations ?
[19:32] <JonathanD> define moon?
[19:44] <waltman> 10 years?
[19:46] <waltman> I've never used them, but hover.com sponsors pretty much all the podcasts and seems legit.
[19:47] <InHisName> "to the moon" = TOO expensive
[19:47] <InHisName> I'll check them out.
[19:48] <waltman> I use gandi, really only because someone at plug recommended them. they're fine.
[19:49] <waltman> realize I've got like 1 domain though :)
[19:49] <waltman> there was a thread about registrars on the plug mailing list not too long ago
[19:50] <InHisName> Would I be able to read the list thread and not sign up for another list ?
[19:51] <waltman> 14488     Wed 11/20/13 00:07 Lee H. Marzke   (2.2K)     └─>
[19:51] <waltman> bah
[19:51] <InHisName> Not apealing:  hover.com xfer for $10 one year or $145 for 10 !
[19:52] <waltman> http://lists.netisland.net/archives/plug/plug-2013-11/msg00019.html
[19:52] <waltman> is that a lot?
[19:52] <ChinnoDog> 1and1 is cheaper.
[19:53] <waltman> my impression was that the cheaper ones like godaddy tended to be sleazier
[19:53] <JonathanD> 1and1 is "ok"
[19:53] <InHisName> I'm at 1and1 for hosting to transfer there is $15/year   Bleah!
[19:54] <InHisName> Never any specials for .us
[19:54] <JonathanD> InHisName: 145 because if you renew annually they could charge you 10 this year, 20 next year, 30 the year after...
[19:54] <JonathanD> InHisName: I paid $10 for my .us
[19:54] <JonathanD> I find $10 acceptable.
[19:54] <ChinnoDog> oh. The price has gone up.
[19:55] <InHisName> I paid $6 12 years ago and bought 10 ($60)   last year got stuck renewing for $15, now it's $19.99  Bleah  (domainnamescheap.com) NOT !
[19:57] <InHisName> I found one called 'luckyregister.com'  for $79.90 for 10 years.   Best so far.   Members renew for $10/yr.
[20:09] <InHisName> nearlyfreespeech.net   $9.49/year  but no .us
[20:10] <ChinnoDog> http://www.resellerclub.com/pricing
[20:10] <ChinnoDog> It isn't clear to me what you have to do in order to register there.
[20:10] <ChinnoDog> It lists .us for $6.49/yr though.
[20:12] <InHisName> as xfer price or NEW signup pricing ?  then there is renewal for members that is usually the highest.  Hence paying for 10years is best way when found.
[20:12] <InHisName> I'll check them anyway, just in case.
[20:12] <ChinnoDog> idk and idk. Yes, do check and then tell me. ;)
[20:16] <InHisName> namecheap.com shows $7.99 for ONE year.  Not sure about 9 more if offered.    Members can pay $7.69 5+ years.
[20:18] <InHisName> gandi is over $10 for .us
[20:51] <InHisName> Opened a chat window, but no one is answering it.   1/2 hour now.
[21:13] <waltman> InHisName: You realize, of course, that you could save a lot of money, at least in the short term, by renewing for <10 years, right?
[21:13] <waltman> like maybe 1 year?>
[22:39] <argv_turk> it's chep if you do serveral years
[22:39] <argv_turk> i only do it by 2 year
[22:40] <argv_turk> i want
[22:40] <argv_turk> unix.plumbing