[21:20] <bobweaver> how do you ignore a nick ?
[21:21] <ikonia>  /ignore ikonia"
[21:21] <ikonia> without the quite
[21:21] <ikonia> quote
[21:21] <bobweaver> not working I can see you
[21:21] <ikonia> (for example)
[21:22] <k1l> bobweaver: depends on your client. but most ones go with /ignore nick   or a pattern instead of nick
[21:22] <ikonia> ignoring an op is not a good idea, but you are free to do so
[21:22] <bobweaver> thanks k1l  I am on xchat
[21:23] <bobweaver> ikonia!*@*
[21:24] <k1l> im not sure. maybe it only works with full masks. so it will be nick!*@*
[21:24] <Fuchs> that would be nick based, which might not be the best choice
[21:24] <ikonia> as I don't change nicks, it will work fine
[21:25] <Fuchs> also Xchat (as plenty of other clients) also expect the message types to ignore  (e.g. messages, ctcp, ...)
[21:25] <Fuchs> you usually want to go with ALL, e.g.  /ignore *!*@unaffiliated/ikonia ALL
[21:25] <bobweaver> Fuchs,  and k1l  thanks I figured it out
[21:26] <Fuchs> You're welcome
[21:26] <bobweaver> it was like you said /ignore <nick>!*@* all
[21:26] <bobweaver> I just dont have time for games I have enough people that I deal with with the whole Ubuntu TV thing
[21:27] <bobweaver> so Thanks again you are saying me headaches
[21:27] <Fuchs> /nick aspirin
[21:27] <Fuchs> you're welcome :)
[21:27] <bobweaver> lol
 SonikkuAmerica,  you have used unity config tool or mechaig or what ever it is called ?
[21:34] <bobweaver> * #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel
[21:35] <bobweaver> yet ikonia  gunning it out for me once again
[21:35] <bobweaver> lets go over the logs and see what I did wrong
[21:35] <Fuchs> well, yes, there is a quiet matching you, but that would be something for #ubuntu-ops  I guess :)
[21:36] <Fuchs> and that is probably not _the_ best start, just a suggestion as a non-coreop


[02:12] <lotuspsychje> for those that tested bug #1922432 yesterday, i wrote a new comment
 Noted. It is present in 20210405 iso as well. I'm testing on VM though.
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> saivinob: can you reproduce the grey icons?
 Yes.
 Forwarded from saivinob: It is. Tested on live session, LO icons are consistent; tested on installed system (wayland), LO icons first show gear icon. Will report as ''affects me" in the bug report.
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> tnx mate
 Welcome.
[07:11] <luna> morning
 Has anybody done 'Free Software Only' test case? I am not seeing step 1 "aubergine screen with an icon at the bottom"?
 That's the accessibility icon
[07:50] <guiverc> @saivinob, not recently (not hirsute), but it took me a little time to find I think last time
 I am not seeing it. I checked in efi mode. It boots directly to Try/Install selection screen. Will check legacy mode.
[07:54] <guiverc> i recall a discussion about it in groovy, but so long ago I forget sorry
 Even on BIOS mode it does not show. Directly boots to Welcome screen.
 That's the icon and following language selection screen I should be seeing correct? P.S.: Images thanks to our community forum users (https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/how-to-select-language-in-efi-mode-to-try-ubuntu-live/22127). :

 And if I press F6 there I should see option 'Free Software Only' (step 3 of test case) I guess.
 I checked bug report against manual-tests, could not find anything on this test case. If you or somebody here can check and confirm, would be thankful. From my side I'll mark it as failed. (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <guiverc> i recall a discussion about it in groovy, but so long ago I forget sorry)
[08:09] <guiverc> @saivinob, I've a ubuntu daily booted here on a BIOS box & I can't find it either. it's not today's daily (I only have lubuntu updated)
 Mine is 20210405 image.
[08:13]  * guiverc vaguely recalls a ubiquity or boot (maybe-ubiquity type option) that enabled it.. but it was awhile (focal/groovy) ago I ignored that test case since
 Thank you for testing. I filed bug report https://pad.lv/1922667. (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <guiverc> @saivinob, I've a ubuntu daily booted here on a BIOS box & I can't find it either. it's not today's daily (I only have lubuntu updated))
 Just to add the 'Link to download information' takes us to regular iso whereas we had *alternate* CD, that's where I had seen those screens.
 Confirmed, Lubuntu boots to GRUB, and you don't get the accessibility menu.
 Ubuntu (UM) as well; boots to 'Welcome' screen.
 New test daily images out 06 to test
 Xubuntu has been like that for quite some time on the dailies. (re @popeydc: Confirmed, Lubuntu boots to GRUB, and you don't get the accessibility menu.)
 :(
 Presumed it was intentional until the beta came out 😄
 I hope not. But we should check with the flavour leads?
[10:07] <guiverc> popey, fyi on free software; I think it's been that way since june-2020 (ie. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-to-use-grub2-for-booting-installer-media-in-any-modes-on-all-architectures/16871/13 ; the f6 was on the bright cheery screen I missed in first comment)
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> i got another bug to be tested for reproducing on ubuntu-desktop/wayland bug #1922437
 Each time I login to Ubuntu (ZFS install) I get nautilus crash about 'update_dbus_opened_locations'. But cannot reported because it says doesn't seem to be official Ubuntu package. This is tracked in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1820859. Just wanted to add that I see this only on ZFS install. Did not see it on default install.
 good afternoon lotuspsychje
 how grub looks in xubuntu :
 guiverc, @saivinob, @popeydc: should a new bug report be filed, or should we modify Sai's testcase bug, as that doesn't seem to be the real problem that needs to be solved.
 if there isn't already a bug tracking this issue, then one should be created, for sure.
 against syslinux or gub2? (re @popeydc: if there isn't already a bug tracking this issue, then one should be created, for sure.)
 i dont know what the issue is agains
 i dont know what the issue is against (edited)
 i'll do grub2 and it can be changed as needed
 I guess against grub2 (since the current ISOs are using it). (re @philipz: against syslinux or gub2?)
 What should be done to report bug against snaps? snap-store is broken in ZFS installs. Snap store does not launch. We can install snap from command line but cannot launch it.
 report over on forum.snapcraft.io
 OK. So it will not be tracked in launchpad then?
 I'm asking because it is happening on ZFS install and for all snaps. Not particular snap.
 maybe, but I'd use the forum, as the developers are there, and responsive
 bug filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1922735
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/
 :)
 then absolutely should be there, yes
 @saivinob if UM also only show the grub menu without the other options, please add your findings to the bug report.
 Thank you 😊 (re @kenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/)
 I already mentioned 'affects me'. Will comment. (re @philipz: @saivinob if UM also only show the grub menu without the other options, please add your findings to the bug report.)
 flagging this in #ubuntu-devel on IRC
 I have a feeling that since this was a deliberate and planned change, it might just be a 'won't fix'
 Doesn't this also occur with groovy?
 I would have to, as the gfxboot-theme-ubuntu package was deleted from the archive in that release (re @rs2009: Doesn't this also occur with groovy?)
 It would have to, as the gfxboot-theme-ubuntu package was deleted from the archive in that release (edited) (re @rs2009: Doesn't this also occur with groovy?)
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1922293 (re @saivinob: I'm asking because it is happening on ZFS install and for all snaps. Not particular snap.)
 Thank you. (re @popeydc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1922293)
 Anyone know how to mount ZFS the easiest way from an Ubuntu Live USB ?
 In how many channels you keep asking the same question? Besides, this group is not for support. 😉 🙂 (re @bittin1: Anyone know how to mount ZFS the easiest way from an Ubuntu Live USB ?)
 My feeling was correct. "won't fix' (re @RikMills: I have a feeling that since this was a deliberate and planned change, it might just be a 'won't fix')
 got help from Jibel on irc moving my dotfiles now to make a clean install (re @Maik_aD: In how many channels you keep asking the same question? Besides, this group is not for support. 😉 🙂)
 Doesn't so much look like focus, but that the Super key invocation is being kept (re @saivinob: )
 It happens even when I first click on 9-dots and then search, not necessarily when super-key is pressed. Just want to confirm if it is not my hardware.
 You might want to report the bug with ubuntu-bug gnome-shell. Other people will then also be able to mark themselves as affected. (re @saivinob: It happens even when I first click on 9-dots and then search, not necessarily when super-key is pressed. Just want to confirm if it is not my hardware.)
 is that in a VM? (re @saivinob: )
 Yes. Tested on quickemu and virt-manager.
 I will. Just wanted to confirm if it is something on my side or issue really exists. (re @rs2009: You might want to report the bug with ubuntu-bug gnome-shell. Other people will then also be able to mark themselves as affected.)
 Experienced the same in a live session in Boxes (re @saivinob: I will. Just wanted to confirm if it is something on my side or issue really exists.)
 trying from usb stick once it's flashed
 @saivinob same happens on a live session running from a usb stick
 however i believe this happened on 20.10, so it's not new
 however i believe this happened on 20.10 too, so it's not new (edited)
 did a clean 21.04 Beta install and everything seems to work great so far :)
 Thank you. I will check if there are open bug reports. If not will raise one. (re @Maik_aD: @saivinob same happens on a live session running from a usb stick)
 ok. if you found one or raised one, please share so i can add a "affects me too" (re @saivinob: Thank you. I will check if there are open bug reports. If not will raise one.)
 @saivinob had a look at 20.10 and it doesn't happen there. So it's probably a bug on 21.04.
 Thank you @Maik_aD. Could not find any relevant bug from my search, so raised one. Ref. https://pad.lv/1922772
 Thanks. I added a "affects me too". (re @saivinob: Thank you @Maik_aD. Could not find any relevant bug from my search, so raised one. Ref. https://pad.lv/1922772)
 @Leokolb you have commented on the KDE installer crash bug, yes?
 This one in VM https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1920665
 Yes I have comment # 8 and reported numerous times on the QA testing tracker (re @RikMills: @Leokolb you have commented on the KDE installer crash bug, yes?)
 Can you boot to a live session, install the mesa from this ppa, then try an install from the desktop icon?
 https://launchpad.net/~rikmills/+archive/ubuntu/mesa (re @Leokolb: Yes I have comment # 8 and reported numerous times on the QA testing tracker)
 If it works, comment on the bug that that mesa build of an old version makes the bug go away
 Will give it a shot in a few mins.. (re @RikMills: Can you boot to a live session, install the mesa from this ppa, then try an install from the desktop icon?
 https://launchpad.net/~rikmills/+archive/ubuntu/mesa)
 Thanks. The mesa maintainer said it worked. so now not crucial, but an extra confirmation is always good! (re @Leokolb: Will give it a shot in a few mins..)
 Confirm ...all good (re @RikMills: Thanks. The mesa maintainer said it worked. so now not crucial, but an extra confirmation is always good!)
 Great, thanks. Sadly we can't revert to that mesa version, so somehow the new one needs to be fixed
 When booting from an iso  (kubuntu,) the first screen of the installer is on a timer, goes away and you can't get back to it.  All it says is ""You may wish to read the release notes or update this installer."  Is that worth reporting?
 Having problems installing snaps aswell anywhere i can press affects me to?
 Are you on ZFS or ext4. On ext4 I did not have issues. On ZFS, there is a bug #1922293. (re @bittin1: Having problems installing snaps aswell anywhere i can press affects me to?)
 ZFS so its most likely that (re @saivinob: Are you on ZFS or ext4. On ext4 I did not have issues. On ZFS, there is a bug #1922293.)
 pressed Affects me
 just reinstalled my desktop
 so if anything more needs testing i have time to test
 did anyone notice a mouse bug like this in the live session with an nvidia graphics card. :

 i had something similar
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1921928
 please share the bug report number
 thanks
 worked if i booted into (Safe Graphics mode however)
 a bug reporter mentioned that it only happens in the live session, but goes away after installation

 yep it did had problems installing from the live session however, but installed from the Live Session (Safe Mode) and got a regular cursor (re @philipz: a bug reporter mentioned that it only happens in the live session, but goes away after installation)
 The white thing in the corner is what i got from a regular live session with a GTX 760 as a mouse cursor and it was impossible to click with (re @bittin1: )
 i could imagine. thankfully DEs can also be navigated by keyboard
 heh worked when choosing the (Safe Mode) live option and works fine after installing from there (re @philipz: i could imagine. thankfully DEs can also be navigated by keyboard)
 heh worked when choosing the (Safe Graphics Mode) live option and works fine after installing from there (edited) (re @philipz: i could imagine. thankfully DEs can also be navigated by keyboard)


[00:01] <rk4> b 4
[00:01] <sarnold> you sunk my battleship!
[00:02] <rk4> ...disregard, shitty chromebook WM doesn't let me use alt-N to switch weechat windows
[00:02] <sarnold> eww
[00:02] <rk4> [used to, but they added some hotkey 'features' recently]
[00:11] <Pr070cal> anyone try what i said with overlayroot would love to hear from you
[00:11] <Pr070cal> anyone got psvr working on 20.10 ?
[00:19] <Pr070cal> TJ-:  how about you exclude lib folder
[00:20] <Pr070cal> TJ-: /var/lib
[00:21] <Pr070cal> TJ-: actually theres no libs in mine
[00:25] <CoCo_Kid594> well since cups channel seems dead I came here..
[00:36] <frad> how do I have to install youtube-dl to update it with -U?
[00:39] <sarnold> frad: probably that won't work any more, now that the github repo has been yanked
[00:39] <frad> crap, it was so easy. What s the recommended way to install and upload it now?
[00:41] <sarnold> good question :(
[01:10] <jayjo> I'm trying to test a personal ppa on launchpad.net with a python package. Do I just need to dput my built .deb package, however I come to build that deb package? I would like to automate the build, but I'm trying to get it done manually first
[01:16] <guiverc> jayjo, I'm no expert on PPAs, but I've always built locally to firstly test, source code (or changes) are uploaded to launchpad & the PPA package is built by lp itself  (email follows saying package failed, or built as I recall)
[02:37] <courrier> Hey! I'd like to access a 20.04 VM from VNC. I'm configure TightVNC server to start at boot.
[02:37] <courrier> When I connect to some display, say :1, it displays a pointer on a grey background
[02:38] <courrier> I feel like I should start the regular login system now but I'm unsure of the procedure
[02:39] <sarnold> I'm not entirely sure how it's all supposed to work
[02:40] <sarnold> but if you can run something like DISPLAY=:1 fvwm2  you'll get the finest windowmanager from 1994 to run on that display :)
[02:41] <courrier> it's now installed but it looks present in the repos because it's proposed to be installed :D
[02:41] <courrier> lightdm is more recent
[02:42] <courrier> how is named the new thing?
[02:43] <courrier> gdm I guess
[02:44] <sarnold> yeah I think gdm is the new old thing, or the old new thing :) heh
[02:47] <courrier> are you sure it's old? I can read "Ubuntu 20.04 Gnome desktop uses GDM3 as the default display manager."
[02:49] <sarnold> it's pretty old .. here's a commit from 2001 :) https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/commit/ee8de912c84d9df4180965fe49108051f563ce11
[02:50] <mason> <-- still using xdm
[02:50] <courrier> ah you mean it's not new, but it's now the default again in 20.04
[02:51] <sarnold> courrier: yeah
[02:51] <sarnold> mason: me too! :D
[02:51] <courrier> "DISPLAY=:1 gdm3" does not pop anything in my VNC screen :(
[02:51] <courrier> But I can start gedit
[02:51] <sarnold> if you can get gedit to go then you 'just' need the window manager etc
[02:53] <courrier> so you agree with me than starting gdm3 on that display should work?
[02:54] <sarnold> I'm thinking it might be more productive to just run whateer it is you'd run after logging in anyway
[02:58] <mason> I'm betting it's some logind/seats thing that needs to decide to run a display manager on another display.
[03:01] <courrier> I currently get user ubuntu connected on pts/0 (that's my ssh terminal) and user gdm on tty
[03:01] <courrier> But I don't know when this gdm started
[03:02] <courrier> nor its display
[03:05] <sarnold> maybe systemd brought it up as part of reaching the graphical target?
[03:06] <TheRedRipper> hello. im trying to figure out if theres a way to put 2 passwords on my user acc, and how would i do that? also, can i encrypt my HDD without wiping it?
[03:07] <rk4> TheRedRipper: PAM is pretty flexible re the first one, and yeah re the second, but i wouldn't call either thing new user friendly
 ah true, but I stopped service display-manager.service already
[03:09] <TheRedRipper> im not necessarily new user, ive had ubuntu since round 2018, is there a link somewhere that outlines what i can do>
[03:09] <TheRedRipper> ?**
[03:10] <TheRedRipper> i wasnt able to find any documentation on either thing myself, so i figured this was the best place to go lel
[03:10] <sarnold> what's the goal of having two passwords? you probably *can* get pam to do it, but I'm not sure what exactly I'd suggest to do to get there
[03:12] <Darxus> I just used ubuntu's startup disk creator.  It flashes something about isolinux, then boots my already installed linux partition.  How do I get it to boot off the usb drive I just wrote that boot image to?
[03:13] <sarnold> Darxus: it depends on the system, try f12 or del or enter when booting, you may be able to get to a menu to select a bootable device that way
[03:13] <rk4> TheRedRipper: do you know how device-mapper works, that's a good starting point, though not an answer in itself as to how to achieve your end goal
[03:14] <Darxus> sarnold: I did.  In my bios, I selected this usb drive to boot from.
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> Darxus: wich iso did you try to burn on your usb stick?
[03:14] <Darxus> Also, it's... partially working, because I don't think it normally flickers "isolinux" when booting my main partition.
[03:14] <Darxus> lotuspsychje: ubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[03:15] <sarnold> TheRedRipper: fwiw I don't think I'd bother trying the 'encrypt a drive without wiping it' thing -- I haven't got a clue how I'd approach that. at least the two passwords things can probably be done by sufficient application of pam_unix(8) :) heh
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> Darxus: should work
[03:15] <Darxus> Yes :P
[03:15] <TheRedRipper> rk4:never heard of that. sarnold: thanks
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> Darxus: check in your bios settings, doublecheck secureboot/fastboot settings, or try boot override usb boot
[03:16] <Darxus> I just completely built this computer from parts, no secureboot.
[03:17] <sarnold> TheRedRipper: depending upon what you're trying to achieve, libpam-yubico libpam-duo libpam-google-authenticator libpam-u2f may all be better choices
[03:17] <sarnold> (and our memory sticks should absolutely work with secureboot enabled)
[03:17] <lotuspsychje> Darxus: if its a classical bios, should work even better
[03:18] <TheRedRipper> sarnold: just a second password, like, idk if i put first one in, i still have a second one to do before i can login
[03:19] <sarnold> TheRedRipper: why not just double the length of your password? :) then you can type half, get a drink, and type the second half? :)
[03:19] <TheRedRipper> brUh
[03:19] <sarnold> TheRedRipper: seriously thogh, are you trying to require two people to agree to log in? or is htis a backup password in case the first is forgotten?
[03:20] <TheRedRipper> mainly security. if first password is guessed then 2nd password as 2nd wall
[03:23] <rk4> password to what?
[03:23] <rk4> local login? ssh login?
[03:23] <TheRedRipper> local, sorry.
[03:24] <rk4> if you have FDE then that serves as the first password, but your local login is generally not all that secure, as an attacker by definition has local access to the computer
[03:25] <rk4> it's fairly trivial to reset a forgotten local login
[03:25] <TheRedRipper> well, that goes to my 2nd question.. how can i encrypt my HDD without wiping it, and what do i do since this is a partitioned drive
[03:27] <sarnold> copy the data you want to save to a different filesystem, re-do the install with FDE, copy the data back, and then take whatever steps are necessary to cleanse the temproary storage location
[03:28] <rk4> yeah...find a way to backup your files. don't bother doing it inplace, aside from actually achieving it you'll then have to make sure the result is bootable.
[03:28] <rk4> if you do it inplace without a backup then be prepared to lose all your files, and if you don't mind losing all your files...then just lose all your files and let the installer overwrite them :>
[03:32] <Darxus> I just recorded 60fps video of my attempts to boot off this usb thing.  It says "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt".  With both the ubuntu 20.04, and 20.10 isos, written by ubuntus startup disk creator.
[03:33] <sarnold> it's possible the memory stick is corrupted; cheap flash memory is iffy
[03:33] <rk4> you could read the image back off the usb and check the cksum
[03:34] <rk4> you could also binary diff it, that might be a tad easier
[03:35] <Darxus> dd the iso to the device (not a partition), them cmp the file to the device?
[03:38] <rk4> was thinking more either read the drive like a file, or do it in two stages and dd the drive to a file
[03:39] <Darxus> What I said would be reading the drive like a file?
[03:41] <rk4> yeah, sure
[03:42] <Darxus> # cmp ubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso /dev/sdg
[03:42] <Darxus> ubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso /dev/sdg differ: byte 1, line 1
[03:43] <Darxus> You know what, I think this sd is... done.  I just dug out an old one.  And forgot... when they get full they just start failing silently.  Which is amazingly dumb.
[03:46] <TheRedRipper> bruv
[03:57] <Darxus> Yeah yeah.  SD cards should give some kind of error when you try to write to them and they don't successfully take the data.
[04:33] <Darxus> Woo, I finally got something to work.  Different cable, and different usb port, and my ancient CF reader successfully wrote an ubuntu iso, booted, and verified its contents.
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> +1
[04:33] <Darxus> I was just setting this up as an emergency backup since with this build I stopped having an optical drive to boot from.  Progress is weird.
[04:34] <Darxus> Since the channel is slow at the moment, this is the computer I just built:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3cW54QGhrM
[04:35] <subfj> Darxus sweet hair yo
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> !ot | Darxus
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> not here plz
[04:36] <subfj> Darxus use case?
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> subfj: only ubuntu support questions here plz
[04:37] <subfj> word
[04:37] <Darxus> lotuspsychje: Nobody else had said anything here in like an hour.
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> Darxus: no reason the use this channel for that reason, we have nice seperate channels for several topics see !discuss
[04:42] <subfj> I get the topic is the topic but when there is radio silence a bit of chit chat aint hurt no one. All good though
[04:47] <Darxus> I guess it's worth $9 to have a dedicated SD card with a boot image on it.
[07:18] <alekksander> hello. is there any obvious reason why etc/sysctl.config vm.swappiness= value is ignored?
[07:18] <viaSanctus> i would ignore "swappiness" too
[07:19] <viaSanctus> you cant take such a variable serious
[07:21] <alekksander> easy to say if You don't have a bug, which freezes whole system on full ram
[07:23] <TheRedRipper> i have dual boot win 7 and ubuntu. laptop boots right to win7 and shows no boot list. why?
[07:33] <alekksander> TheRedRipper: bios settings set to boot linux disk?
[07:44] <TheRedRipper> no such thing
[07:45] <TheRedRipper> i dont see that at least
[08:25] <amosbird> hello, how can I enable presentation view in wps when there is only one screen?
[08:39] <WereCatf> Is Mutter still not compiled with remote-desktop enabled on Groovy? I took a quick look in settings when using Wayland and at least there the screen-sharing option is completely missing.
[08:42] <ThinkT510> I was under the impression that wayland doesn't work well with remote desktop which is part of the reason why it hasn't fully displaced xorg yet
[08:43] <WereCatf> Well, it doesn't work, if the feature isn't even compiled in
[08:43] <ducasse> WereCatf: screen sharing under wayland is not supported since the protocol makes that difficult
[08:46] <WereCatf> Such a nuisance. Oh well, not much I can do about it other than wait.
[08:46] <WereCatf> Just wanted to check, if I just was missing something.
[09:49] <stdedos> Hello there! I deal with mounting (manually, from terminal) from time to time, and I wonder: Is there some way I can leverage the existing mechanism of mounting e.g. for USB drives (mounting with the correct options, permissions, in a unique directory under /media, appearing in Nautilus' list drive list, etc) to mount something else?
[09:51] <stdedos> It's always: I have to use sudo (I am not complaining much about this one), or figure out the correct permissions, the correct mount options, manually create/delete directories under `/media/$USER` (which does *not* belong to me ?!?!) etc
[09:51] <hylian> exit
[09:51] <hylian> #exit
[09:53] <Deano59> Hi! I've forgotten my login password/ssh password but can still access /root & /home & /mnt via samba. can I change the password by browsing /root?
[09:54] <nikolam> Hi, is there also an ' groovy-security' repo for 20.10, like there were 'focal-security' for 20.04 , or is it because 20.04 were LTS and regular non-LTS release doesn't have release-security repo? I see it were not migrated during the update from 20.04 to 20.10
[09:58] <nikolam> Btw. in hexchat seems like not displaying Mnospace/9 font right, like small "g" gets cut-off in the channel window when displaying messages. (were ther lately also on 20.04, now on 20.10)
[10:03] <EriC^> stdedos: typically the filesystems mounted by the filemanager in /media/$USER should have permissions for your user, unless it's something with permanent permissions like ext4 fs, otherwise with ntfs/fat etc it would use fake permissions that allow your user to read/write
[10:03] <stdedos> I know that
[10:04] <stdedos> I mean, my specific case right now goes very far away from traditional "mount a USB device" (I'm doing an `rclone mount`)
[10:05] <Deano59> anyone? :D
[10:05] <stdedos> I am just wondering if there is, in general, a middle ground between full terminal mount and full filemanager mount / /etc/fstab
[10:06] <Deano59> Hi! I've forgotten my login password/ssh password but can still access /root & /home & /mnt via samba. can I change the password by browsing /root?
[10:07] <stdedos> Deano59 I am mostly certain that you cannot do that. Just reboot to safe mode and recover https://itsfoss.com/how-to-hack-ubuntu-password/
[10:07] <EriC^> stdedos: try the 'disks' program, it allows you to add filesystems with certain predetermined permissions/options, by editing fstab for you
[10:08] <stdedos> Okay, it sounds more acceptable :-D
[10:08] <stdedos> Thank you; I'll do it next time "it fits"
[10:09] <Deano59> stdedos: can't use recovery :(
[10:10] <stdedos> If you have physical access, you can
[10:10] <Deano59> again, can't use recovery.
[10:10] <stdedos> If you don't, ask some other sudo user to do it for you
[10:10] <stdedos> If there is none ... trash the system
[10:10] <stdedos> I really don't see alternatives
[10:10] <Deano59> sigh.
[10:11] <Deano59> bbl
[10:12] <StevenR> Deano59: You should be able to boot from a rescue USB, and remove the password/change it
[10:12] <stdedos> oh yeah, that too - but you don't say _why_ you cannot use recovery
[10:36] <Deano59> I'm on a rpi4 -- can't *use* recovery!!!!!!
[10:36] <nikolam> New default theme on Thunderbird 78 on Ubuntu 20.10 is crap , ugly and I can't use it like this.. ;(
[10:38] <nikolam> Deano59, you got to boot it form llive media/USb and access system, mount it and change password, all that is probably Pri4-specific, so see for booting on it's community
[10:38] <StevenR> Deano59: Do you have another system you can put the SD card in?
[10:43] <groundnuty> Hey, I'm tryint to switch to ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS - I'm having trouble with 'tc' (traffic shaping) command in that release. It states that RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported and I have failed to find any usefull help on the internet regarding that error.
[10:45] <mgedmin> groundnuty: what's the tc command you're running?
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: this isnt the complaints channel, try #ubuntu-discuss for theme discussions
[10:46] <mgedmin> groundnuty: I wonder if https://askubuntu.com/questions/1112446/mqprio-qdisc-not-working could be relevant?
[10:47] <groundnuty> mgedmin:  just plain: tc qdisc show dev ens3
[10:47] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, I see it as a bug. Thanks anyway.
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: did you file a bug?
[10:48] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, on Thunderbird uglyness? Hmm, I just wonder who's bug it is, Thunderbird or of distribution.
[10:48] <groundnuty> mgedmin: I saw that post, I have 3 ubuntus runnung on the same openstack (same config), 16, 18, 20.04.1 - only the last one is problematic
[10:48] <groundnuty> so I concluded it's not a problem of a netowrk adapter since all systems have the same type of virtual adapter
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: are you on the snap or apt package?
[10:49] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, I hope snap dies horrible death with it's mountpoints, so .deb it is
[10:50] <groundnuty> mgedmin: and /sys/class/net/<adapter name>/queues looks the same in all 3 systems
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> !info thunderbird groovy
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: you installed the deb from their website?
[10:52] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, no it is already installed in ubuntu i think, I just upgraded form 20.04 to 20.10
[10:52] <nikolam> When I think of it, it's TB fault but distro can make it better..
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: if its default TB version you can file a wishlist bug
[10:54] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, yes, sure and wait for the next ubuntu release. Thanks, I should.
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: if nobody files bugs, nothing will ever change, so the non-lts releases are perfect for wishlists..think about you are part of the community too
[10:57] <mgedmin> groundnuty: hm, I'm not sure what's going on there; tc qdisc show works for me in 20.10 on real hardware
[10:58] <mgedmin> and on a 20.04 vps I have from OVH
[10:58] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, it is true. And it is a nice note for one to feel like amember of the community. Except Ubuntu community were always company-centric with also appointed people per-LoCos, so it always felt like controlled community, in that sense.
[10:58] <mgedmin> groundnuty: do you see any interesting errors in dmesg or journalctl around the time when you ran tc qdisc show?
[11:20] <ap4lmtree> hi
[11:21] <ap4lmtree> i have used different os and stuff before, but for my main desktop rather than second or through a virtualbox vm,  i have been using windows as a main host. i am going to migrate from windows 10 to a linux.   I am trying to decide which linux.  i usually use debian. However, ubuntu has more popularity and support. I am trying to understnd this.  is ubuntu dxe somewhat like macos ?
[11:22] <ap4lmtree> one of the reason why i am going to distance myself from windows is because of macos raise .  so i am wondering if you think ubuntu and macos have similar dxe  .
[11:23] <ap4lmtree> i nver use macos, but i tink that has a click and click tray similar
[11:23] <groundnuty> mgedmin: both logs are silent ;-( I'm kinda out of ideas, hence my question here. I was hoping I
[11:23] <groundnuty> I'm missing some module that tc needs
[11:24] <groundnuty> my last idea Is that the image I have is somehow too 'minimalistic'...
[11:26] <Maik> ap4lmtree: what's dxe?
[11:28] <mgedmin> groundnuty: what does uname -r say for you?
[11:29] <ap4lmtree> dxe is a mispelling of desktop environment
[11:30] <jonnj> Anyone know anything about DNS problems? Local resolver is systemd - <IP_ADDRESS>. Using dig <name> has no result, cat /etc/resolv.conf shows "search fritz.box" but "dig fritz.box" also has no result. I "service systemd-resolved restart" but the problem persists.
[11:30] <mgedmin> ap4lmtree: ubuntu is basically debian with more frequent releases, so the software is not all outdated
[11:32] <Maik> ap4lmtree: Ubuntu uses Gnome as Desktop environment, the dock is called Ubuntu Dock which is a fork of the Dash To Dock extension. Download a ISO, write it to a usb stick and try it out through a live session.
[11:33] <ap4lmtree> yes, i really like debian,  but it doesnt seem like that is a great idea for me to pick as a main os
[11:33] <ap4lmtree> but i really dont like ubuntu desktop environemnt   , but i guess i can either learn it more  ... or i can try mint... that is a nice os too?
[11:33] <jonnj> Nevermind - "service network-manager restart" seems to have fixed it.
[11:35] <Maik> ap4lmtree: Ubuntu is a bit more user friendly. We don't discuss other OS's in this channel, for that join #ubuntu-discuss please or #ubuntu-offtopic. Your questions aren't really Ubuntu support related.
[11:35] <ap4lmtree> ok
[11:36] <Deano59> ap4lmtree: if you don't like ubuntu's DE, there's others like lubunty, xubuntu etc.
[11:36] <Deano59> lubuntu*
[11:38] <Maik> Deano59: already took the discussion to -discuss and told them about it
[11:38] <Maik> :)
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:24] <vimart> How can I move the results from apt list --installed
[12:24] <vimart> to the file?
[12:25] <vimart> the list to long and at same point I can't get to the top to select it all
[12:25] <mgedmin> apt list --installed > installed.txt
[12:27] <vimart> thanks mgedmin
[12:27] <tomreyn> vimart: or, if you just want to read it, you can also pipe the output into a text viewer, such as 'less': apt list --installed | less
[12:27] <tomreyn> (quit it by pressing q)
[12:31] <vimart> ok tomreyn thanks
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: is this bug #1881941 what you experienced on 20.10?
[12:40] <mgedmin> no, my dock is on the left, which is default
[12:40] <mgedmin> all I did was enable autohiding
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> ok
[12:41] <mgedmin> didn't see it bouncing quckly, just it failed to autohide a couple of times when I expected it to
[12:41] <mgedmin> moving the mouse over the dock and then away made it autohide
[12:41] <mgedmin> so not a terribly annoying bug
[12:41] <mgedmin> and I'll be sure to report it once I figure out how to reproduce
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: im browsing through bugs, cause im also looking for another possible bug, when adding an icon on the dock it only adds in between 2 other icons and not on the free space of the dock tested on 20.04 and 20.10
[12:47] <howlymowly> short question: my computer has a very slow boot time. I have encrypted LUKS + LVDS and uefi SEcureboot enabled. The delay in startup time happens BEFORE I input the password for disk encryption. also doing systemd-analyze doesn't give me any noticable delays so I am not sure how to debug this ....
[12:47] <howlymowly> maybe anyone could give me a hint on where to start
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: could you try that please, dock at bottom doesnt allow me to add new icons on free space, but dock left and right allows it to add on the free space
[13:29] <etronik> hi all, anybody here using Scribus  Desktop Publishing appplication ?? I might be having Ubuntu specific problems preventing me exporting to PDF X/3
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> etronik: ask your question into the channel, so volunteers can think along and try to help you
[13:35] <etronik> lotuspsychje, sure tks
[13:37] <etronik> Scribus 1.4.6 application has an option to export to PDF X/3, but not shown as available under my Ubuntu 18.04 - pre-requisite "colour management" is enabled in the application. TIA
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> etronik: solved in #scribus ?
[13:48] <etronik> lotuspsychje, yeah :-) was trying there  but not getting much help... so tried here BUT I've figured it out actually over there... :-) Thanks tho
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: created bug #1902367
[14:06] <mkay> hi-im having recurring issues with the pc freezing-task at the time varies but have been watching htop and dmesg in realtime, any pointers on how to find the cause re use of filters with for dmesg | grep "?"
[14:06] <mkay> ty for any suggestions
[14:08] <mkay> [  535.557931] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: gr: GPC0/TPC0/MP trap: global 00000004 [MULTIPLE_WARP_ERRORS] warp 10001 [STACK_ERROR]
[14:09] <mkay> seems to be a recurring theme
[14:09] <mkay> [    0.395950] ACPI Error: AE_NOT_FOUND, While resolving a named reference package element - LNKA (20200528/dspkginit-438)
[14:52] <sabastiaan> Hi there, I have a basic pathing problem
[14:53] <sabastiaan> I just installed clang 11 and a bunch of other llvm projects. These are all installed with a prefix -11
[14:53] <sabastiaan> is there a way to update my path such that I don't need to add the postfix anymore?
[14:53] <sabastiaan> i.e that clang-11 because just regular clang
[14:56] <tomreyn> sabastiaan: $PATH is usually set (or rather, extended/updated( in ~/.profile, which is a script, so you can use variables there, too.
[14:57] <tomreyn> don't miss the notes on top of the file, though.
[14:59] <sabastiaan> the problem is that the projects are postfixed
[14:59] <sabastiaan> so I don't know how adding something to the path itself would let x resolve to x-11 for instance
[15:02] <tomreyn> x=11; PATH="$PATH:something-$x"
[15:03] <sabastiaan> ow wow
[15:03] <sabastiaan> nice
[15:03] <tomreyn> or maybe what you're looking for is the update-alternatives mechanism, or just shell aliases
[15:04] <sabastiaan> I was thinking about shell aliases
[15:04] <sabastiaan> but I was afraid I might miss some
[15:05] <tomreyn> your needs aren't exactly clear, so giving the most matching recommendation isn't easy.
[15:06] <sabastiaan> ahh sure sorry my bad
[15:06] <sabastiaan> had a long day
[15:06] <tomreyn> that's fine ;)
[15:07] <sabastiaan> so I'm trying to get started with llvm development, got my self a nice fresh install of the latest ubuntu lts
[15:07] <Jackneill> hey
[15:07] <sabastiaan> typically I would compile stuff from source, but opted not to because apparently that wasn't needed
[15:07] <sabastiaan> so I followed this https://apt.llvm.org/
[15:08] <Jackneill> i've noticed that after upgrdaeing to 20.10 to 20.04 video playback under firefox is started to lag (deterministically a lag every ~2s). (intel integrated gpu, intel i5, asus vivobook laptop)
[15:08] <sabastiaan> but this installed a long list of llvm applications on my system, where I don't know exactly which it did and did not install
[15:08] <Jackneill> any idea?
[15:09] <tomreyn> sabastiaan: /var/log/apt/ contains logs. history.log lists requested actions (which may have been cancelled, or can have failed), term.log lists actual output.
[15:09] <sabastiaan> they installed it all under app-11, but now I want to alias these (unknown list of applications) to my system such that I don't need to post fix them
[15:10] <sabastiaan> @Jackneill, didn't they start experiment some with GPU accelerated playback lately?
[15:10] <Jackneill> i have no idea
[15:11] <tomreyn> Jackneill: quit firefox, run   jorunalctl -f   in a terminal window and keep it running, start firefox, pleay video that's laggy, see whether anything related is logged to the temrinal.
[15:12] <tomreyn> sabastiaan: dpkg -L    lists the files provided by a debian package (.deb, usually installed through apt)
[15:13] <Jackneill> tomreyn, i see no error related to that.
[15:13] <Jackneill> only apparmor audits
[15:14] <sabastiaan> wait, apparently they also distrubte a zip where it contains bin/include/lib/libexec/share folders
[15:14] <sabastiaan> can I just copy these to /usr/ to install them systemwide?
[15:14] <tomreyn> sabastiaan: if there already is "someexecutablefile" provided by the system, you should not overlay this (e.g. by shell aliases) by "someexecutable-otherversion", at least not system wide, since there can be automations expecting "someexecutable" to behave in a specific way. e.g. python is used by apt, so you wouldn't want to replace/overlay the pythoin version system wide.
[15:16] <sabastiaan> hhmmm
[15:16] <tomreyn> sabastiaan: you shouldn't just place files in /usr (it can be ok in /usr/local, but this may not be the best approach)
[15:16] <sabastiaan> all my /usr/local/ dirs are empty
[15:16] <tomreyn> sabastiaan: read up on update-alternatives
[15:16] <sabastiaan> as long as it won't conflict with pre-installed packages
[15:16] <tomreyn> and consider shell aliases, too.
[15:16] <sabastiaan> then I could safely copy into this right?
[15:17] <tomreyn> ubuntu packages won't normally install anything to /usr/local, so that should be safe.
[15:17] <tomreyn> ideally, you'll prefer to only have packaged software installed, though
[15:18] <tomreyn> i.e. there should be some form of tracking of which files, installed by what, are placed where. dpkg does this for debian packages.
[15:19] <tomreyn> but /usr/local is a compromise between building your own debian packages and copying files into locations where they can get in the way.
[15:19] <tomreyn> still, there *can* be better solutions
[15:19] <fabbo> why does groovy have less debug packages than fossa? https://packages.ubuntu.com/groovy/debug/ 497 packages, https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/debug/ 531 packages
[15:20] <fabbo> libgstreamer1.0-0-dbg missing especially hurts
[15:23] <ioria> fabbo,  might be now libgstreamer1.0-0-dbgsym
[15:24] <tomreyn> Jackneill: do you have i965-va-driver installed?
[15:24] <tomreyn> !ddeb | fabbo
[15:25] <tomreyn> !ddebs | fabbo
[15:25] <Jackneill> tomreyn, no, i have xserver-xorg-video-intel insteallled only
[15:26] <tomreyn> Jackneill: try installing it, rebot, and see whether things get faster.
[15:26] <Jackneill> thanks
[15:28] <tomreyn> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1619523 (resolved, fixed; shippe din firefox 80) for details
[15:32] <tomreyn> Jackneill: you *may* need to play with firefox settings (thogh apparently no longer since firefox 81): https://9to5linux.com/firefox-81-enters-beta-gpu-acceleration-now-enabled-by-default-on-linux
[15:33] <Jackneill> than you
[15:33] <Jackneill> thank*
[15:33] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[15:36] <lapion> Whose bright idea was it to convert all root bin and lib folders to symbolic links to their counterparts in the /usr folder ?
[15:37] <lapion> This entirely counterproductive towards systems with their usr folder on a different partition, device or even online.
[15:39] <ioria> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/   lapion
[15:40] <lapion> Thank you loria but that is a big mistake..
[15:40] <tomreyn> another day, another strong lapion opinion.
[15:40] <tomreyn> let's #ubuntu-discuss if you'd like to
[16:17] <catbeard> just thought i'd report that the ubuntu live cd installer crashes (20.04) if HDD bus option is set to RAID instead of AHCI, and i had to run a dmraid -E command against the target install drive to get the installer to not crash/show up
[16:21] <mgedmin> is that 20.04 or 20.04.1?
[16:21]  * mgedmin is trying to remember if ubiquity had any fixes since 20.04
[16:21] <catbeard> 20.04.1
[16:23] <mgedmin> worth a bug report imho
[16:24] <catbeard> i don't have the machine nor the drive or bios menu, it was someone elses computer i installed ubuntu on the other day
[16:25] <mgedmin> that makes it harder
[16:27] <catbeard> makes sense that it's an HP
[16:27] <catbeard> was a seagate barracuda 1.5TB SATA, windows 7 upgraded to win10, AMD FX series CPU with 10GB DDR3 RAM
[16:27] <catbeard> bout all i can remember
[16:29] <catbeard> IIRC i think it had a recovery subpartition, not exactly sure what it was raided to, but RAID was enabled for the HDD in the BIOS when i checked, turning it to AHCI didn't i had to run a dmraid command to finally get the installer to proceed and make the drive selectable, in fact it didn't even present me with the dropdown it just gave me the erase
[16:29] <catbeard> whole disk or dual boot selection
[16:32] <tram98> hello everyone, I just installed Ubuntu Server 20.04 in a VM on a Proxmox Node. I would like to assign a static public IP to that VM, which resides in a different Subnet than the gateway. Is that possible?
[16:36] <tomreyn> tram98: is this ip address routed to it, though?
[16:37] <tram98> tomreyn, you mean on the proxmox host?
[16:37] <tomreyn> and everywhere else on the way to the border gateway, yes.
[16:38] <tomreyn> if so, you could set this up with a pointopoint configuration on the ubuntu system.
[16:39] <tomreyn> note that proxmox uses its own kernels, and thus any ubuntu system installed there is ubuntu in user space, but the kernel differs, and we can't really consider it a proper ubuntu installation.
[16:39] <tram98> I have other VMs on that Proxmox Node, but they use the /etc/networking/interfaces config for that exact purpose.
[16:39] <tram98> This is because they use Debian 9
[16:40] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1767607 seems to describe a working netplan configuration
[16:41] <tomreyn> other than that, /etc/networking/interfaces is considered legacy, but should still work on 20.04 LTS.
[16:41] <tram98> i'll try that config, thank you tomreyn
[16:43] <tomreyn> see also this documentation by an isp which uses this method of configuration for passing additional ipv4 to dedicated servers they host https://docs.hetzner.com/cloud/servers/static-configuration/
[16:45] <tram98> tomreyn, that is basically exactly what i am trying to achieve. The host is now up and working. Thanks for showing me that config.
[16:46] <tram98> It is all working now. (been stuck 4 hours on this issue, i'm no expert lol)
[16:46] <tomreyn> you're welcome :)
[17:14] <davido_> Since upgrading to 20.10, coming out of screen lock mode can take up to two minutes. Any idea where I can look for clues as to what is causing the lack of responsiveness? The symptom is I see the unlock screen "Click or press a key", but the password box doesn't present itself for up to a couple of minutes.
[17:15] <davido_> This isn't full suspend; just unlocking after my predetermined screen / lock timeout.
[17:17] <threebar> ubuntu 20.04 broke my NVIDIA driver (binary from nvidia.com) by segfaulting on something called glvnd_check. anyone run into this?
[17:19] <tomreyn> more likely it's the other way around
[17:20] <tomreyn> davido_: see the records near the end of your system log when you regain access:   journalctl -eb
[17:31] <davido_> I was a little late; they've scrolled off.  I'll look into that next time.
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> threebar: install the nvidia drivers from the ubuntu repos?
[17:38] <threebar> no?
[17:38] <threebar> why?
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> threebar: you chosen to install ubuntu, nvidia drivers come with it now, you can use them?
[17:40] <threebar> so, the official drivers aren't going to work from now on
[17:40] <threebar> ?
[17:41] <Kon> threebar: Ubuntu includes the official Nvidia drivers
[17:42] <threebar> No, Ubuntu includes the re-packaged version of the drivers that Ubuntu tests. Not every release and beta is in the Ubuntu repo
[17:42] <Kon> It is better and easier for you to install from the Ubuntu software repository instead of trying to install generic packages you download from the internet
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> threebar: its the users choice, its your system to use what you want
[17:42] <Kon> threebar: There are ways to easily get bleeding edge Nvidia releases through apt. Like the Proprietary Graphics PPA
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> +1 Kon
[17:43] <threebar> Right. I'm pointin out that I was using 19/10 just fine and upgrading to 2.04 broke things
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> threebar: 19.10 is eol by now, things can break when upgrading from eol versions
[17:44] <threebar> reinstalling th driver doesn't fix things
[17:44] <davido_> Well, to be fair things can break anytime.
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> threebar: ubuntu-drivers list
[17:46] <threebar> damn, the linux community really is dead... instead of "here's how to figure out what's wrong" I'm getting "install this other shit" like it's Windows or sme thing...
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> threebar: lets not use this channel for complaints or profanity
[17:48] <davido_> That's a little impatient. There's not a guarantee that someone with subject matter expertise you need will be waiting at the keyboard on #ubuntu. There are other forums such as askubuntu.com which are less ephimeral, more likely to be seen by an SME who can give more specific, and more precise advice.
[17:50] <threebar> well, since you clowns managed to neuter Linus himself, I'm not surprised that I'm getting the same garbage.  I said why I wasn't happy with the provided solution and the answer was more of the same. So I explained what I'm looking for, and I'm being told not to complain. If you really don't see what's wrong with that, then you're part of the problem.
[17:53] <davido_> You're blaming people who voluntarily happen to be sitting here at noon (MDT) on a Saturday for not knowing how to fix something in a non-LTS release. You're abusing the people who would like to help, but may not have SME knowledge specific to your need. Askubuntu.com reaches a larger audience, though of course with longer lead times and less of the enjoyment you might get out of flinging insults
[17:53] <davido_> at people who are present at the moment to read them.
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> threebar: 3 methods are described here, but we strongle reccomend to use the nvidia drivers from the ubuntu repos; https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux
[17:56] <threebar> davido_, I've been on IRC helping people with Linux since 1997 and I don't think I've ever complained about not being paid or it being noon on a Saturday or 3AM on a Wednesday. And calling complaints about the community "abuse" is a stretch. It's abusive to shut down anyone that complains about how bad things are because you don't want to hear their criticisms over your sanctimonious self.
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> threebar: davido is away, take discussions into #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[17:57] <threebar> lotuspsychje, trying now
[17:58] <threebar> I can't see the chat window refresh so I didn't se that he left
[17:59] <threebar> I literallly have to wait for someone to talk so it refereshes and I am typing blindly hence the typos
[17:59] <threebar> hence my graphics driver problem
[18:06] <ypiel> Hello, I have got two PC : first with ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS, and a second with 19.10. I would want to use my first by the second thanks to a remote desktop. What would be the better way ? thanks
[18:07] <tomreyn> !19,10 | ypiel
[18:07] <tomreyn> !19.10 | ypiel
[18:09] <tomreyn> aside form the unsupported / end of life release on one of them: if they both run the default gnome-shell/mutter desktop environment, and you want a graphical remote desktop, your best option is probably vino server on the target, and vinagre on the client. all of which can be setup enabled through the GUI.
[18:09] <tomreyn> look at settings -> sharing
[18:10] <ypiel> Ok So I will upgrade it, so what would be the official/best way to ahve a remote desktop between two ubuntu 20.04.1 ?
[18:11] <ypiel> thanks you tomreyn :) I'll test it
[18:11] <mgedmin> vnc?
[18:11] <tomreyn> the preferred approach is usually a vnc server on the system sharing the desktop, and a vnc client on the system accessing that. vino and vinagre are a vnc server and client.
[18:12] <ducasse> threebar: the driver package directly from nvidia is unsupported here, only the ubuntu packaged drivers are. why not just use them?
[18:19] <tomreyn> ypiel: in case you'll not be happy with vnc (which is actually the rfb protocol), there are alternatives, such as ssh with x forwarding (works only for single applications, not the full desktop), x2go (uses the NX protocol, which supports hardware video acceleration), spice (targetting primarily virtual environments), rdp (mostly for windows compatibility, this is really a modified rfb protocol). there are also proprietary options, should you
[18:19] <tomreyn> want more.
[18:19] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software
[18:58] <Sicnus> Just upgraded from 19.10 -> 20.04 then 20.04 -> 20.10  Now it seems my wifi isn't working?  (It was working when I was upgrading heh)  nmcli d shows wireless device as unavailabe
[19:00] <jatt> try wicd
[19:00] <Sicnus> so nmcli no longer works with 20.10 ?
[19:00] <Sicnus> no wicd installed
[19:02] <legreffier> wicd is an awful idea on a modern ubuntu desktop
[19:02] <legreffier> can you see the wifi connection within the menu ?
[19:03] <Sicnus> when I do: lshw -C network it shows that * -network: 0 DISABLED (descriptioin: wireless interface)
[19:04] <Sicnus> crazy, as I JUST upgraded TWICE (lmao) from 19.10 to 20.10 :/ and the wireless was working
[19:04] <jeremy31> Sicnus: Does it show power management: on in iwconfig
[19:04] <Sicnus> lemme check
[19:05] <Sicnus> let me pastebin it.  sec
[19:05] <jeremy31> Sicnus: also check rfkill list
[19:06] <legreffier> your laptop must have a switch or a Fn+?? shortcut turning radio on/off
[19:07] <Sicnus> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/25kkGgSw/
[19:07] <Sicnus> I'm going through vpn and several hosts to get to my work laptop that's like an hour away lol.  So it's taking some hoops to get the text here.
[19:08] <Sicnus> rfkill list syas no blocked on all but bluetooth soft blocked
[19:09] <jeremy31> Sicnus: in terminal>  sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf && systemctl restart network-manager.service
[19:09] <Sicnus> legreffier: again, I _JUST_ upgraded the system (twice) and wireless was working before getting to 20.10 :/  so I doubt something physical happened.  Could be, but...
[19:09] <Sicnus> k
[19:10] <legreffier> Sicnus: kernel upgrade can mean firmware upgrade too... so it could reset this kind of settings
[19:10] <Sicnus> jeremy31: yeah it's got the 3 in there.
[19:10] <legreffier> I see more often shortcut bein activated with just blunt fingers errors..  than drivers being deleted from kernel.
[19:11] <legreffier> so i'd rather start with checking the printer is on :)
[19:11] <Sicnus> jeremy31: hmmm that sytemctl restart network-manager.service isn't working
[19:12] <jeremy31> Sicnus: might have to reboot,  power management can crash some wifi modules
[19:12] <Sicnus> yeah it's fine...
[19:13] <Sicnus> worse comes to worse I have to go onsite... but trying to avoid that lmao.  ;)
[19:13] <Sicnus> rebooting now.  (nothing like rebooting something remotely lol)
[19:14] <Sicnus> shutdown -h now right?
[19:14] <Sicnus> lmao
[19:14] <Sicnus> jkjk
[19:14] <mgedmin>  no
[19:14] <jeremy31> shutdown -r now
[19:14] <mgedmin> shutdown -r, or just reboot
[19:15] <legreffier> if wifi chip is being weird you should actually turn it off and on
[19:15] <legreffier> not reboot it.
[19:15] <Sicnus> I remember back in the olden days of #Linux96 on efnet...  someone needed help with their sound...  some dude is like:  oh just do:  dd if=/path/to/mp3 of=/dev/hda1 and your all set...  (next thing you know he disconnects from IRC). those were some bad days  (and good days too)
[19:16] <Sicnus> let's see if it's back up yet
[19:16] <Sicnus> taking forever for the shutdown -r to go thorugh :/. did this before too
[19:16] <Deano59> hm :D
[19:16] <legreffier> 24 year, yet you paste such a command on a public, new user oriented channel. awesome.
[19:16] <Sicnus> (shutdown -r now) I mean
[19:17] <Sicnus> legreffier: yeah it was bad back then man.
[19:17] <mgedmin> I've had reboots take over ~90 seconds on occasion when snapd fails to shut down cleanly because it's doing something very important like downloading a chromium update
[19:17] <mgedmin> (systemd gives up and SIGKILLs it after 90 seconds exactly, so at least the reboot finishes)
[19:18] <Sicnus> yeah it'll go through eventually.
[19:18] <legreffier> still is.
[19:18] <Sicnus> mgedmin: ohai from #ansible ;)
[19:18]  * mgedmin waves
[19:18] <Sicnus> lmao
[19:18] <Sicnus> yeah I think this was my pip issue... whatcha think?
[19:18] <mgedmin> nothing scarier than rebooting a remote machine and waiting hoping it will come back up
[19:19] <Sicnus> it's still pinging... :/. just hasn't rebooted yet.  (but connection refused to which is fun lmao)
[19:19]  * mgedmin wrote https://github.com/mgedmin/multiping partially to see how long it takes for a machine to come back
[19:19] <Sicnus> ooh
[19:19]  * Sicnus looks
[19:19] <mgedmin> it's just a silly ping wrapper with an ncurses ui
[19:20] <Sicnus> pretty dope man
[19:20] <Sicnus> sorry, my daughter says the kids now say "hard".  mgedmin that goes hard man.
[19:20] <Sicnus> weeee thanks guys!
[19:21] <Sicnus> jeremy31: ++
[19:21] <jeremy31> Sicnus: what wifi?  Intel?
[19:21] <Sicnus> nmcli d shows interface is up
[19:21] <mgedmin> nice
[19:21] <Sicnus> let me see vcenter just died ugh... (session got to log back in)
[19:22] <Sicnus> jeremy31: yeah intel
[19:22] <Praeceps> Does anyone know what Pulse enviroment variables are required for a systemd service to connect properly?
[19:22] <Praeceps> I've got Environment="PULSE_SINK=unix:/run/user/1000/pulse/native"
[19:22] <Praeceps> Environment="PULSE_COOKIE=/home/praeceps/.config/pulse/cookie"
[19:23] <Praeceps> I remember this is as what I did but it isn't working
[19:23] <jayjo> when trying to import a Git project to launchpad, it requests a 'Name', and says 'This will be used in the branch or repository URL to identify the import. Examples: main, trunk.' - Can someone expand on this a bit? Is this just for reference, or is the HEAD of my VCS, in my case 'master'?
[19:24] <Sicnus> jeremy31: thanks again mate
[19:24] <jeremy31> Sicnus: No problem
[19:39] <AlexPortable> I have high CPU load from gnome-shell. `strace -c -p` shows there are 4656 recvmsg calls, and 3971 errors. Does this have something to do with it?
[19:52] <TJ-> jayjo: I think that language is a left-over from when LP was still focused on Bazaar, before Canonical abandoned it and moved to preferring git
[19:54] <Darxus> TJ-: The launchpad recipe instructions should encourage use of git then.  I spent a while trying to decide which one to use for my latest ppa.
[19:56] <N3GLV> need tips on wifi drivers
[19:56] <TJ-> Darxus: indeed
[19:57] <TJ-> Darxus: these things are a symptom of how Canonical has blown hot and cold on various internal projects and then let them whither and bit-rot - technical debt in other words
[19:57] <compdoc> AlexPortable, do you have an nvidia gpu?
[19:57] <AlexPortable> no
[19:58] <TJ-> N3GLV: tips? use devices that have mainline kernel drivers and don't rely on firmware blobs :)
[20:01] <N3GLV> it's supported as a rtl
[20:01] <N3GLV> 8814/
[20:01] <N3GLV> ?
[20:03] <N3GLV> the internal might be using the same driver
[20:05] <TJ-> N3GLV: for internal PCIe devices, "lspci -nnk -d ::0280" should list the device ID and driver(s)
[20:06] <TJ-> N3GLV: to list all network drivers: " ls -l /sys/class/net/*/device/driver "
[20:07] <nedbat> i have a digitalocean droplet. I can ssh into with my keypair. Then I unpack my dotfiles in the droplet, and i can't ssh any more. I get: "Permission denied (publickey)".  My dot files create some files in ~/.ssh, but even once I get rid of those so the directory is the same as before the unpacking, the login doesn't work any more.
[20:07] <nedbat> What might be in my dotfiles that could prevent ssh logins?
[20:07] <TJ-> nedbat: sounds like you've deleted the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[20:08] <nedbat> TJ-: no, that file is still there, with the proper public key
[20:08] <N3GLV> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Oct 31 15:45 /sys/class/net/wlp4s0/device/driver -> ../../../../bus/pci/drivers/iwlwifi
[20:08] <pavlos> nedbat: maybe permission on .ssh/ and files inside?
[20:08] <TJ-> nedbat: ^^
[20:08] <N3GLV> but if it's seeing two with the same driver?
[20:08] <nedbat> pavlos: oh: the permissions are the same, but the owner has changed!
[20:09] <TJ-> tada!
[20:09] <N3GLV> is there something that can set a priority?
[20:09] <TJ-> N3GLV: how do you mean?
[20:09] <N3GLV> I looked at rfkill
[20:09] <TJ-> N3GLV: a driver can maange as many devices as are found; each gets a separate block of memoet
[20:09] <N3GLV> if the internal card is also rtl_something
[20:10] <TJ-> memory too!
[20:10] <nedbat> pavlos: thanks: I had to set the owner:group back for both ~ and ~/.ssh, and now it works.  thanks!
[20:10] <pavlos> nedbat: yw
[20:10] <TJ-> nedbat: you can tell tar not to apply ownership
[20:10] <N3GLV> how to tell what is being mapped to wlpXXX
[20:10] <nedbat> TJ-: yeah, i was about to look into that. how?
[20:11] <N3GLV> bte I _HATE_ the udev or whatever that mess with device naming
[20:12] <TJ-> nedbat: did you operate as 'root' user when extracting the tar archive?
[20:12] <nedbat> TJ-: yes
[20:12] <jayjo> TJ-: do you mean then the 'name' field is just not really relevant? I tried leaving it blank, it's required
[20:12] <N3GLV> should be doing that as sudo
[20:12] <TJ-> nedbat: aha, that's why. if you'd done it as the target user it would have used that $USER's umask and UID
[20:13] <nedbat> TJ-: ok, i wondered why this hasn't been an issue before.
[20:13] <TJ-> nedbat: see "man tar"  "--no-same-owner" and "--no-same-permissions"
[20:14] <nedbat> TJ-: thanks.
[20:39] <ash_worksi> is it possible to list/edit the different settings presented in the gnome-control-center through just the cli?
[20:39] <ioria> with gsettings maybe
[20:40] <ash_worksi> thanks ioria
[20:41] <ioria> ok
[20:42] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I have an ubuntu 18.04 mate laptop. Can I reinstall the OS, but leave /home alone?
[20:44] <akem> RandomGuyOnIrc, Backup your /home, format and reinstall then copy back your home folder.
[20:45] <RandomGuyOnIrc> ok thanks
[20:45] <akem> If you have several users your need to recreate them before copying back the folders.
[20:49] <_Sym_> RandomGuyOnIrc, you probably don't want to copy all your old cache and config settings back
[20:51] <RandomGuyOnIrc> your probably right
[20:51] <RandomGuyOnIrc> they are pretty small compared to the the 60 gig of stuff though
[20:52] <_Sym_> if its just data you care about, you can pretty much ignore the hidden directories
[20:52] <akem> You don't care for the cache however all other .* & .config are important.
[20:53] <akem> You may move it to .config_old or something, but if you wanna keep the things the way they were its good to have it.
[21:24] <shinobi> what is the preferred cd ripping application these days?
[21:25] <_Sym_> what is a cd?
[21:25] <Toadisattva> people still rip cd's?
[21:26] <Toadisattva> ubuntu has some default application that works wonderfully I'm sure
[21:26] <Toadisattva> sound juicer?
[21:26] <shinobi> Well I could talk about how digital media was the death of music and how virutal assets are not assets at all, but that would starting a topic that is not in scope with this channel. I here you though. I may be a dinosaur.
[21:27] <shinobi> I'll check out the sound juicer .
[21:27] <shinobi> thanks
[21:28] <Toadisattva> here is some info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping
[21:37] <jayjo> do I need to import code to launchpad in order to host a .deb in a PPA?
[21:38] <tomreyn> join #launchpad
[22:39] <Sicnus> jeremy31: after all that... I ended up having to go into the office.  Apparently ubuntu decided it needed to turn on suspending my laptop after a certain time.  *sigh*. Went down there and figured out how to disable all that.  lol
[23:35] <dust> unable to install eclipse: snap "eclipse" requires classic confinement
[23:42] <jesusrmx> hi, is there a way to make gitg to forget previously introduced credentials and show the credentials dialog again?, it's trying to push for long time while git push in terminal succeed
[23:59] <pavlos> jesusrmx: git config --system --unset credential.helper


[22:16] <joshk> evand: poke?
[22:17] <joshk> or anyone.. i'm trying to see if ubuntu preseed still supports floppies?
[22:17] <joshk> boot with file=/floppy/preseed.cfg for example
[22:18] <joshk> as of gutsy
[22:25] <joshk> man.. it doesn't look like it, according to the casper source
[22:25] <joshk> you guys make my job really hard.


[06:37] <cfhowlett> zak?  anyone?
[08:55] <zequence> cfhowlett: Hi
[08:55] <cfhowlett> hey zeq.  do you have the default wallpaper without the US logo?
[08:56] <zequence> cfhowlett: Yep. Let me get you a link
[08:56] <zequence> Zak hasn't been involved this time around
[08:56] <cfhowlett> ah!  OK
[08:56] <cfhowlett> doing a tribute wallpaper cuz ... https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwd8hWRpQJ8DWElxOHlVNmhQbDA
[08:58] <zequence> cfhowlett: Oh, right. Prince. One of the immortal ones :)
[08:58] <cfhowlett> indeed
[08:59] <cfhowlett> although the Purple wallpaper + Prince is quite natural
[09:00] <zequence> https://cloud.mousike.me/index.php/s/PKUfFXojOmzcJTW
[09:00] <cfhowlett> perfect! thanks
[09:00] <zequence> np
[09:01] <cfhowlett> I'll send these 2 to the flickr accout
[09:06] <zequence> alright
[11:52] <zequence> Renamed the package selection page for Y to yakkety, since that seems to be the new code name https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageSelection/yakkety
[11:53] <cfhowlett> zak vs. gnu ???  they all look the same to me ...
[11:54] <zequence> I can't tell them apart either
[11:55] <zequence> You mean, yak?
[11:55] <cfhowlett> yak.  sorry, but yeah.
[11:55] <cfhowlett> up next: zesty zebra?
[11:56] <zequence> Makes me think of the movie "The Aviator", when Howard Hughes goes, "Is, thateee, is that a Yak?"
[11:56] <zequence> zebra is nice graphically
[14:28] <sakrecoer> thanx zequence !!
[14:28] <sakrecoer> wanted to ask you how to do that!
[14:29] <sakrecoer> :)
[14:32] <sakrecoer> going to have to be away lots until monday, hope that i'm not undermining huge volumes of motivation for the yaketi yak party
[14:32] <sakrecoer> i realy look forward to get my hands dirty on it actualy.
[14:33] <sakrecoer> cfhowlett: good to read you! :)
[14:34] <cfhowlett> hey hey hey sakrecoer
[14:34] <cfhowlett> I noticed that we picked up xubuntu wallpapers.  VERY nice!
[14:35] <sakrecoer> :) haha! i didn't notice that
[14:36] <sakrecoer> but i noticed that the folder 'backgrounds' appears as a shortcut in save as dialogues.
[14:37] <sakrecoer> also that, once you pick another folder for background images, going back to 'background' the selection box is empty..
[14:37] <sakrecoer> will file a bug asaic
[14:39] <sakrecoer> cfhowlett: you never join #ubuntustudio-offtopic . you don't have to of course.. just making sure you know it exists
[14:39] <sakrecoer> :)
[14:39] <cfhowlett> ah!  will do
[14:40] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I don't seem to be able to edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageSelection/yakkety
[14:41] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: you may prehaps wish to add dispcalgui to graphics
[14:42] <OvenWerks> It replaces the GCM group of programs (GCM = gnome color monitor)
[14:43] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: reason for replcement, GCM does not work with xfce, DisplyCAL does.
[14:43] <autumna> newbie question, is there a procedure to proposing packages, or people allowed?
[14:44] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: sounds like a good idea. i'm in a train, atm but are you loging into wiki with the etherpad team option?
[14:44] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: how would I do that?
[14:45] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: join the etherpad team on launchpad :)
[14:45] <OvenWerks> Oh goody :P
[14:45] <sakrecoer> i don't have the url at hand, sorry..
[14:46] <OvenWerks> It doesn't have to be right now, I just don't want to forget ...
[14:46] <autumna> sakrecoer: this one right? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad
[14:46] <sakrecoer> autumna: i'm still a bit unsure, can you put your ideas in some textfile until monday?
[14:47] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: of course.
[14:47] <autumna> of course
[14:47] <sakrecoer> \o/
[14:47] <sakrecoer> sorry for the inconvenience...
[14:48] <autumna> guys I am not in the post release exhaustion state like rest of you, that doesn't mean I don't sympathize with the rest of you ;D
[14:48] <OvenWerks> I have to get a proper text editor for 16.04...
[14:49] <sakrecoer> that is kind of you autumna :) OvenWerks, don't like mousepad?
[14:49] <OvenWerks> http://www.ovenwerks.net/paste/UStudio-Y-Ideas.txt sakrecoer
[14:50] <OvenWerks> mousepad is fine... for some things like ^^^, but not for others.
[14:51] <autumna> OvenWerks: you are looking for something development focused?
[14:52] <OvenWerks> 19306 members? (in etherpad)
[14:52] <OvenWerks> autumna: I have already installed Geany, but also like a standalone editor.
[14:54] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: we just have added ubuntustudio-dev to etherpad
[14:54] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I have applied to do this.
[14:55] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I notice there are other teams in there already.
[14:56] <autumna> OvenWerks: the reason I asked is because I have been having the same problem as well.
[14:57] <OvenWerks> autumna: we used to have gedit, but I am thinking to look at what is available.
[14:57] <sakrecoer> good idea, i'll sort that out asap. arriving at my station now... actualy want to sit at my computer hanging out with you ...
[14:57] <sakrecoer> hehe..
[14:57] <sakrecoer> read you later!! <3
[14:57] <autumna> OvenWerks:  yeah. that's what I have been using interim
[14:58] <autumna> bye sakrecoer
[15:00] <OvenWerks> autumna: actually one of my first installs is joe. (cli editor)
[15:01] <autumna> *goes to check*
[15:02] <autumna> ah
[15:04] <autumna> this is quite nice, but yeah I am personally looking for something lightweight with a gui
[15:16] <OvenWerks> autumna: I don't want emacs :)
[15:16] <autumna> I don't think emacs qualifies as lightweight
[15:17] <OvenWerks> easy to use either...
[15:17] <autumna> well among the console based options
[15:17] <OvenWerks> autumna: maybe you like VI with a GUI?
[15:17]  * autumna is not a VI person
[15:17] <autumna> ;D
[15:18] <OvenWerks> :P
[15:18] <autumna> no seriously I firmly fall into the emacs side of that old argument ;D
[15:18] <autumna> I tried bracket.
[15:18] <autumna> its pretty, but I don't know, felt a bit sluggish?
[15:18] <OvenWerks> I don't like either. (which is why I have joe
[15:20] <autumna> *nods*. I think I'll stick to mousepad for now, until I find something that fits
[15:22]  * OvenWerks is installing a few from synaptic (no snaps that way)
[15:27]  * OvenWerks doesn't like tea (the editor)
[15:29] <OvenWerks> Juffed has just shown me a file where the foreground and background colours are the same :(
[15:30] <OvenWerks> editra looks nice (so far)
[15:35] <autumna> that's entertaining (re juffed) *goes to try those ones
[15:37] <autumna> juffed looks like it is crashing
[15:37] <OvenWerks> NEdit crashes.
[15:38] <autumna> (I am off to dinner but will check the log when I get back)
[15:45]  * OvenWerks has set editra as his default text editor... for now.
[16:37] <autumna> back
[17:22] <OvenWerks> autumna: I am going to try editra for now, if it gives trouble I will probably just put gedit in.
[17:22] <autumna> *nods*
[17:23] <autumna> I migth try to run gedit again, it was bugging out for me in 14.04 but then again, my previous install had its own issues
[17:23] <knome> OvenWerks, what's wrong with mousepad?
[17:23] <OvenWerks> autumna: I used gedit all through 14.04 with no problems.
[17:24] <autumna> it worked.. just sometimes it would take 2 tries to start it.. as I said my install was in bad shape so chances are it had to do with it
[17:25] <OvenWerks> knome: nothing for quick use, For coding it is nice to have the colour coding, bracket finding, tabbing that goes with that.
[17:25] <OvenWerks> knome: I have not removed mousepad
[17:26] <knome> OvenWerks, mousepad supports syntax highlighting and matching brackets
[17:26] <knome> and autoindent
[17:27] <OvenWerks> knome: I wasn't seeing it in the quick test file I opened
[17:27] <autumna> OverWerks: I did see syntax highlighting on my shellscript
[17:27] <autumna> although maybe the default theme doesn't have it?
[17:27] <knome> i'm a former gedit user myself, now using mousepad because why not
[17:28] <autumna> mousepad is quite good. I am looking for something with folder view but isn't a full fledged IDE for javascript projects through
[17:28] <autumna> pity juffEd is crashing, because that looked like in the exact ballpark
[17:32] <OvenWerks> knome: The default setup for mousepad makes it look very minimal.
[17:32] <knome> OvenWerks, yeah
[17:34] <OvenWerks> knome the bracket highlighting is not what I want... have to try some different colours I think (bold does not stand out as much as a different colour would.
[17:34] <OvenWerks> clasic colour is better that kate.
[17:34] <knome> OvenWerks, if you want a different colorscheme, look into "gtksourceview" theming, it's simple enough you can get your mods in in 10 minutes
[17:35] <knome> OvenWerks, i don't know if studio is shipping those, but i did light/dark xubuntu themes
[17:35] <OvenWerks> knome: The stock list under view has probably enough.
[17:35] <OvenWerks> Trying cobalt now.
[17:35] <knome> i didn't like any of those, but it's a personal preference anyway :)
[17:36] <OvenWerks> solarized colours are ok too.
[17:38] <OvenWerks> knome: mouse pad has come a long way. My last really good look at it was right after it came out I think. Xubuntu had leappad the version before.
[17:39] <OvenWerks> (I think)
[17:39] <autumna> hehe
[17:40] <autumna> I need to lookup how to add custom themes into everything
[17:40] <OvenWerks> knome: how easy is it to change the system defaults for mousepad? Without changing the package itself)
[17:42] <knome> yeah, we used leafpad for a moment since there was something wrong with mousepad
[17:42] <knome> system defaults for mousepad? hmm, that's a good question
[17:43] <knome> we are doing that outside the mousepad package
[17:44] <knome> so if studio wants to do something similar, will work
[17:48] <OvenWerks> knome: I'm not sure what would be best, but something wich shows known source files with some colour so the first time user knows it has extra functions I think.
[17:48] <OvenWerks> txt files the way they is fine.
[17:49] <OvenWerks> Basically set the clasic colour theme would do it I think.
[17:50] <OvenWerks> If a user knows the stuff is there they will look through the settings if they don't like what colours are used.
[17:58] <OvenWerks> knome: Which package is xubuntu using to set mousepad defaults?
[17:58] <OvenWerks> (I don't see it in -default-settings)
[17:59] <autumna> brb
[18:09] <autumna> back
[19:02] <knome> OvenWerks, xubuntu-artwork
[19:07] <OvenWerks> knome: I would have never thought to look there :)
[19:09] <knome> mmh, it's a bit weird i guess
[19:18] <OvenWerks> knome: now that I have looked at it, I understand.
[19:18] <knome> :)
[19:19] <OvenWerks> These are not mousepad setting, but system settings that affect how mousepad looks.
[19:20] <knome> yep
[19:41] <OvenWerks> knome: I can't even find where mousepad keeps it's user config. .config/Mousepad/ has the keyboard accel, but not the settings.
[21:11] <zequence> sakrecoer: To rename a page, use the dropdown menu for the page. It only shows when you are not editing
[21:15] <zequence> sakrecoer: knome: we should probably make our team ubuntustudio-documentation a moderated team and add that to the etherpad team
[21:15] <zequence> That way we can control ourselves who gets access to the wiki, which should be all moderated teams


[04:54] <JSharp> Re: Ubuntu Mozilla Daily Build Team ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa -- I noticed that the last PPA update was several weeks previous. Attempted builds 3 weeks previous failed on several platforms due to new dependencies in trunk breaking the build. Is there a plan to get things moving again? Is there a way I can help?