 what about the files caliel?
[01:03] <caliel> Fuseteam I am waiting ">>> Emerging (6 of 6) dev-util/android-sdk-update-manager-24.4.1::gentoo" and I'll try to connect via ssh
[01:07] <caliel> anyway - i cannot access anything
[01:07] <caliel> i have just created a folder "backup" in Documents folder
[01:07] <caliel> chmod 777 backup
[01:08] <caliel> then put every *.ogg in backup folder and chmod 777 backup/*
[01:08] <caliel> nothing in mtpfs
[01:09] <caliel> but I touch'd a file in the folder and I can access it on the phablet
[03:08] <ubptgbot> abdelkarim merzoug was added by: abdelkarim merzoug
 I have an original BQ Aquaris M10 HD tablet which incorporates a MediaTek Mali GPU. It is running UBports UT OTA 15 and it works so well that my wife loves it! … Is OTA 15  exploiting the GPU in order to achieve such a smooth performance? … @dohbee
 @caliel [anyway - i cannot access anything], I sometimes need to unplug and replug my device before files show up on my laptop...
 Can we run Android studio in ubports?
 Ik silly question but still I want to know 😅
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 My nexus 5 is not connecting to my router - it does not see it on the network. It is picking up my homeplugs and my nieghbours router. What could be wrong?
[09:54] <ubptgbot> <トマセ ハrトゥンゲ> @dynasty17 [My nexus 5 is not connecting to my router - it does not see it on the network. I …], 5Ghz ? Mine will only connect to 2,4 Ghz
 I think it is 2.4ghz. It used to connect all the time. The homeplugs are all 2.4
[10:09] <ubptgbot> <トマセ ハrトゥンゲ> @dynasty17 [I think it is 2.4ghz. It used to connect all the time. The homeplugs are all 2.4], try switch to WPA or WEP  ;)
[10:16] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Can anyone help with no mobile data on a redmi note 7 I’ve added the correct apn details no luck has anyone had same issue stopping me from a daily driver
 @dynasty17 [My nexus 5 is not connecting to my router - it does not see it on the network. I …], Doesn't see 5 GHz?
 @DoraPC [Can we run Android studio in ubports?], The development environment for UT is Clickable
 My N5 works fine with both 5GHz and 2.4GHz networks.
 @alan_griffiths [My N5 works fine with both 5GHz and 2.4GHz networks.], Hmm. Could it be something as simple as range?
 @dynasty17 [My nexus 5 is not connecting to my router - it does not see it on the network. I …], Try renaming the access point?
 @dynasty17 [My nexus 5 is not connecting to my router - it does not see it on the network. I …], Did you set your router to limit the number of devices that can connect?
 @Stereofont [Did you set your router to limit the number of devices that can connect?], It is just the phone it seems. I think I got a dodge Nexus 5. All other wifi connections appear. I thought it might be a battery issue so I bought a new one as device kept switching off. New attery works fine but no wife connection to my router 😞😞
 @Stereofont [Did you set your router to limit the number of devices that can connect?], [Edit] It is just the phone it seems. I think I got a dodge Nexus 5. All other wifi connections appear. I thought it might be a battery issue so I bought a new one as device kept switching off. New battery works fine but no wifi connection to my rout
[11:08] <ubptgbot> er 😞😞
[11:26] <ubptgbot> eVentil was added by: eVentil
 Is there a possibility UBuntu Touch for Doogee S95Pro?
 oh no
 @Stereofont [The development environment for UT is Clickable], oh no
 all devices need individual ports, which likely takes a year or so
 if you're good with android, linux, and like to have a go ... you'll have to make one yourself
 too bad i can't.  thanks
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[12:08] <caliel> good morning (ugt)
[12:09] <caliel> so I am still trying to access files with mtpfs - I have entered adb shell, files are there, the Document folder has 777 permissions on it, files in Document folder have 777 permissions on them - Still I cannot access files from mtpfs
[12:09] <caliel> any hint?
[12:12] <caliel> it would be kinda easier than adb pull
 @DoraPC [oh no], if you mean running android studio directly on UT, we can't no. the simple answer is it isn't packaged for ubuntu touch … the complicated answer is it isn't design to be convergent
 caliel: can check the permissions for the individual files?
 sometimes the folder is accessible but the files in it are not
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[14:58] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> So I have a pixel 3 a I’ve installed Sargo android 9 enabled developer but ubports does. Not detect phone
[14:59] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> In the software I add manually go though it fails
[14:59] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Then I have to reinstall android 9 again
[14:59] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Anyone have any idea
[15:00] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Adb devices shows in cmd prompt
[15:10] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> I’m getting
[15:10] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Adb version 32 doesn’t match this client
[15:10] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> 41
 Fwd from fredldotme: If you plan to give Ubuntu Touch another shot: There's a severe issue with receiving phone calls (some Android 9 devices have this problem, not only the Pixel 3a) after a day. The devel channel has a fix for that but it needs proper testing. So if you expect phone calls to work properly then make sure to install th
[15:55] <ubptgbot> e devel channel for now.
[16:03] <caliel> Fuseteam - I have checked the permissions for all my files - they are all 777 - I did a chmod 777 *.ogg
[16:03] <caliel> Fuseteam and I did a chmod 777 Documents too
[16:03] <caliel> I have pull'd the files using adb pull - but it's kinda weird I cannot access files from a mtfp mounted device
[16:04] <caliel> yes the folder is accessible but the files in it are not
[16:04] <caliel> anyway, I can touch a file and I find the file in the device
[16:25] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Anyone got a link to the best adb to use I’m using adb bridge but keeps failing
[16:49] <caliel> another question - how to block incoming calls / SMS?
 At the moment there is no mechanism. It has been discussed several times
[16:53] <caliel> Stereofont sorry I have installed UBPorts first time 2 days ago :-) I am a n00b
[16:54] <ubptgbot> cytherea1804 was added by: cytherea1804
 Don't apologise. I only know because I have been around a long time
 Does anyone know if Huawei P30 will run Ubuntu touch?
 check description
 huawei is unsupported
 Locked devices
 yep :(
 Fun fact. In the system, among the audio files there are sounds of pressing the screen, switching, and other actions in the system. Even the OS startup sound is there. But by strange coincidences, for some reason, these files are not used at all, it's strange why .... (Although the launch sound is very pleasant to the ear)
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Fun fact. In the system, among the audio files there are sounds of pressing the …], There is even the OS shutdown sound ..... Something has become now interesting why these files are not used although they are
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Fun fact. In the system, among the audio files there are sounds of pressing the …], Where are these?
 Lmao
 @amyosx [Where are these?], Unused sounds are stored in  … /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo  … There are mainly sounds of interaction with the system, but the most interesting for me are  … desktop-login.ogg - OS startup sound  … desktop-logout.ogg - OS shutdown sound …  window-slide.ogg - judging by my guesses should have been
[17:35] <ubptgbot> used when swiping fullscreen windows in desktop mode
 Hmmm
 Some are nice
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Unused sounds are stored in  … /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo  … There are mainly …], Another funny moment is that the sounds of the call reset and the sound of waiting while the interlocutor picks up the phone are stored as separate files ... This means that they can be replaced with others and then durin
[17:40] <ubptgbot> g these actions there will be other sounds, which is both funny and strange
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [There is even the OS shutdown sound ..... Something has become now interesting w …], the same sound theme package was also used on Ubuntu on PCs, which did utilize some of those sounds. it doesn't necessarily make sense for them to be used on the phone, though
 @dohbee [the same sound theme package was also used on Ubuntu on PCs, which did utilize s …], You are right, but these sound files  … bell.ogg  … button-pressed.ogg button-toggle-off.ogg button-toggle-on.ogg  … hint that these files should have been used on the phone, because they are not in the PC version ... That is, in UT, t
[17:43] <ubptgbot> he audio response was originally planned, which was in Android systems, up to versions 8.1
 @dohbee [the same sound theme package was also used on Ubuntu on PCs, which did utilize s …], [Edit] You are right, but these sound files  … bell.ogg  … button-pressed.ogg  … button-toggle-off.ogg button-toggle-on.ogg  … hint that these files should have been used on the phone, because they are not in the PC version ... That is
[17:43] <ubptgbot> , in UT, the audio response was originally planned, which was in Android systems, up to versions 8.1
 @dohbee [the same sound theme package was also used on Ubuntu on PCs, which did utilize s …], [Edit] You are right, but these sound files  … bell.ogg  … button-pressed.ogg  … button-toggle-off.ogg  … button-toggle-on.ogg  … hint that these files should have been used on the phone, because they are not in the PC version ... That
[17:43] <ubptgbot>  is, in UT, the audio response was originally planned, which was in Android systems, up to versions 8.1
 what do you mean not in the PC version?
 you mean in ubuntu 20.04 or something?
 and i don't know where you are getting the "originally planned" part from
 @dohbee [you mean in ubuntu 20.04 or something?], Well, I'm currently using Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on my home PC and most of these files are not there (and UT, as we know, was originally based on Ubuntu 13)
 on the phone, haptic feedback is used. it was never planned to have audio play on button presses on UT
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Well, I'm currently using Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on my home PC and most of these files …], 14.04 is not even supported any more
 and UT is based on 16.04
 @dohbee [and UT is based on 16.04], I know that 14.04 is not supported, I just like the old Unity Desktop so I'm sitting on Ubuntu 14 …  And what about the fact that you are talking about 16 ubuntu. You say this about the latest version of UT, and I'm talking about its first release version in 2013
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [I know that 14.04 is not supported, I just like the old Unity Desktop so I'm sit …], you are comparing files which exist in 16.04 to them not existing in 14.04, and deriving some wild claim from it.
 it doesn't matter what was in 14.04
 and you can still use unity7 even in 20.04, so really you should upgrade, because you are not getting security updates currently
 @dohbee [you are comparing files which exist in 16.04 to them not existing in 14.04, and …], Ok, since in your opinion this comparison is not valid, then I will put 16 ubuntu on the virtual machine and compare there already. I don't think anything will change ...
 @dohbee [and you can still use unity7 even in 20.04, so really you should upgrade, becaus …], I tried Unity7 on ubuntu 20 .... You can only wish the enemy to describe this experience .... The system simply turns into "Super mega duper alpha beta pre-alpha Ubuntu 20.04"
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Ok, since in your opinion this comparison is not valid, then I will put 16 ubunt …], ``` phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ apt-cache rdepends ubuntu-sounds … ubuntu-sounds … Reverse Depends: …   ubuntu-desktop```
 ubuntukylin and ubuntu mate also used it in 16.04
 well "used" in that it's installed by default on those variants
 it was never in the design to have audio feedback on every button press and such, on phones/tablets
 @dohbee [phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ apt-cache rdepends ubuntu-sounds … ubuntu-sounds … Revers …], This does not prove anything, because files in one package may differ, so in this case it is not the packages that need to be compared, but the files in them. To do this, I will now put the virtual machine and compare
 having audio feedback for that is also generally considered bad design, as it overwhelms users with useless noise; and there's a reason nobody has it on by default any more
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [This does not prove anything, because files in one package may differ, so in thi …], no, the files in the package do not differ. all versions of ubuntu 16.04 that have this package installed, have the same files
 @dohbee [it was never in the design to have audio feedback on every button press and such …], Believe in Android from 4.0 to 8.1 there is an audio response, it's just that since version 5.0 it is turned off by default and turned on in the settings -> sound
 and `ubuntu-touch-sounds` only includes ringtone/notification sounds
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Believe in Android from 4.0 to 8.1 there is an audio response, it's just that si …], that has nothing to do with Ubuntu Touch nor the design thereof
 @dohbee [having audio feedback for that is also generally considered bad design, as it ov …], I don’t know, I always liked it .... Maybe I have bad tastes, but they did not disgust me at all (and I generally love sounds from Samsung Galaxy S3)
 @dohbee [that has nothing to do with Ubuntu Touch nor the design thereof], Maybe this is so, or maybe not, we will never know it anyway ... Maybe Canonical planned to implement such a system, or maybe not
 @dohbee [that has nothing to do with Ubuntu Touch nor the design thereof], Although in terms of that there is nothing in common, you are right (well ... except for the kernel ... and except for the drivers)
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Maybe this is so, or maybe not, we will never know it anyway ... Maybe Canonical …], i can tell you with certainty that Canonical did not plan to implement such feature
 @dohbee [i can tell you with certainty that Canonical did not plan to implement such feat …], Well, how do you know? Did you work for Canonical when UT was created?
 yes
 (surprisingly, I thought Canonical employees weren't found here)  … (although what role did you have in planning UT is still a question)
 there are multiple former and current employees in here.
 the `ubuntu-sounds` package itself has those sounds to replace the default GNOME sound theme
 @dohbee [there are multiple former and current employees in here.], (although it seems to me that the current employees are not up to UT, nevertheless the project is considered dead, and they probably have a lot of work, so they probably often don't come here ... But who knows)
 @dohbee [the ubuntu-sounds package itself has those sounds to replace the default GNOME s …], Stop .... And where does Gnome and Unity, which was a separate desktop environment?
 what?
 probably he speaking through translator
 [Edit] probably he is speaking through translator
 unity7 relies on most of the GNOME stack still
 Unity7 used a lot of GNOME packages, like most of the user applications were GNOME
 it's just a different shell
 @dohbee [what?], Well, you say that ubuntu-sound is intended to replace the default package from Gnome and I don't understand how Gnome relates to Ubuntu and Unity, which are separate ... In theory, they should not depend on Gnome because it seems to be made from scratch (although maybe I I don’t know something)
 I'm wondering what this discussion has to do with UBports tbh
 @NotKit [probably he is speaking through translator], Yes, I have to speak through Google Translator due to poor English skills 😅
 @fredldotme [I'm wondering what this discussion has to do with UBports tbh], they are suggesting that we should be using sound themes, because the files are on the disk
 Huh, ok.
 and we can get rid of the `ubuntu-sounds` package anyway i think
 @fredldotme [Unity7 used a lot of GNOME packages, like most of the user applications were GNO …], Ah .... Here's the catch .... I thought Unity was completely separate like Xfce or Kde ....
 @dohbee [and we can get rid of the ubuntu-sounds package anyway i think], Unfortunately, we cannot, because a couple of sounds are still used there in the system, only if you cut out the excess than I will and will most likely do on my disk
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Unfortunately, we cannot, because a couple of sounds are still used there in the …], they are not used
 phone-outgoing-calling.ogg … phone-outgoing-busy.ogg … bell.ogg … Used in system
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [phone-outgoing-calling.ogg … phone-outgoing-busy.ogg … bell.ogg … Used in system], no
 @dohbee [no], Ok, I'll try to delete it now for test and see what changes
 @dohbee [no], And so I could post a log, but it's not in English, so I'll describe it verbally.  … Removing a package will cause the removal of packages such as: dialer-app, messaging-app, qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-telephony0.1, telephony-service, ubuntu-touch, ubuntu-touch-session, ubuntu-touch-session-mir, unity8  … all the same,
[18:28] <ubptgbot>  this package is used in the system since it depends on the packages related to telephone service
 yes, you can't simply remove the package, due to the dependencies
 People often treat Debian packages like a box of LEGOs where you can pick and choose and build things with small pieces, but it's not, especially not with hard dependencies.
 @dohbee [yes, you can't simply remove the package, due to the dependencies], Therefore, it is most likely used in the system since such applications have it in dependencies ... I don't think it's worth cutting out because then you have to rewrite the code for these applications, which is a little dreary (we would still have to
[18:32] <ubptgbot> translate UT to wayland and we are still going to suffer here with such a trifling package)
 no
 You're overthinking things
 i've already looked and made a pull request to remove it :)
 @fredldotme [You're overthinking things], I agree, I myself am surprised how the head is not yet swollen from this)
 @dohbee [i've already looked and made a pull request to remove it :)], True, why if he does not particularly interfere with the kind of life, and does not take up much space ...
 @marquiskurt [Hi, is there a way I can install and avahi-daemon on Ubuntu Touch? I'd like to b …], OK! I managed to find a way to add xenial backports, temporarily make the system read-write, and install avahi-daemon/libnns-mdns as normal and can confirm it's working!
[21:01] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Got pixel 3a running lots of issues can’t receive txts very very slow browser glitch doesn’t load no data on mobile same as the redmi note 7 seems the same redmi note is so much smoother tried dev channel still same back on stable so any way to improve this it has a lot of potential can’t keep buying phones it’s getti
[21:01] <ubptgbot> ng expensive 😂
 @By brian All rights reserved [Got pixel 3a running lots of issues can’t receive txts very very slow browser gl …], I sure someone warned you before, it's a known issue and we're working on stabilizing telephony and SMS
 @By brian All rights reserved [Got pixel 3a running lots of issues can’t receive txts very very slow browser gl …], [Edit] I'm sure someone warned you before, it's a known issue and we're working on stabilizing telephony and SMS
[21:14] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> At least your aware that’s good then
[21:18] <ubptgbot> Carol Crawford was added by: Carol Crawford
 Hey
 An 8gb storage is not sufficient for hallium, right?
 I wanted to try and build it for an old phone, but it only has 8gb of storage
 an 8gb storage phone can be ported, sure.
 you're going to need a lot more storage on your PC though, to build stuff
 Oh
 Só the storage mentioned on hallium docs is for the pc?
 I thought it was for the phone
 i'm not sure which doc you're referring to specifically
 for the phone, it's generally recommended to have more than 1GB RAM and 8GB storage (~2GB will be taken by the system).
 Personally I think I have lost lots of improvements on these months without my pp... I have see you have finally move to systemd
 Aaaand QT5.12 🥳


[12:42] <myrddinemrys765> ello everyone, I would like to ask you a question, if that is the right place.  I've just done a clean install of ubuntu 12.04 on my iMac, and everything works as it should, except for the audio, that does not work well. If I play audio files without connecting my hi-fi system, the volume is good, loud; but if I connect the stereo, it is incredibly low, and I have to push it to the top to even hear music.
[12:43] <myrddinemrys765> I use gnome3, and the mixer is set to the maximum; alsamixer is set to the max too.  it would seem to be a problem of the hi-fi system, but it works fine and play audio loud from my laptop. The hifi is connected to my computer (an iMac, I repeat) via the "headphones" hole, with a 3.5mm cable. This problem is present even if I boot from the livecd and i play audio from it.
[12:43] <myrddinemrys765> Please give me some advices about that, and sorry for my not very good english :)
[12:47] <mbeierl> Has anyone had problems with qtractor and large files?  I recorded approximately 3 hours of audio in one shot and while the file on the disk is fine, when I attempt to play it back, it only shows the audio peaks for about the first 20 minutes and at that point both the peaks and audio playback act as if there is no audio.
[14:02] <holstein> mbeierl: try the file in a differnt player
[14:03] <holstein> mbeierl: try importing it into ardour for example.. try opening it in VLC or something like a converter
[14:03] <holstein> mbeierl: i know i have had issues with larger files and lower spec hardware
[16:03] <mbeierl> holstein, to be clear, it is not the file that is the issue.  it's qtractor itself.  Just wondering if it's a known limitation or if there's a workaround (other than splitting the file and importing the individual chunks)
[16:33] <MaynardWaters> I am going to give a presentation on how to use ubuntu studio on friday, does anyone have any suggestions for content of youtube videos where people have done really awesome things with US
[16:59] <holstein> mbeierl: so, the file works fine in ardour?
[16:59] <holstein> MaynardWaters: i just showed JACK in action pretty much when i did it at my LUG
[17:00] <holstein> MaynardWaters: http://www.wnclug.info/2011/05/holstein-linux-audio.html
[17:01] <mbeierl> holstein, actually... I just noticed there is a glitch in it that makes it appear to end at 17m13s...  If I split around that, it's better
[17:01] <holstein> yup.. that was my solution with a simlar sized file in ardour
[17:01] <holstein> i split the project up
[17:02] <mbeierl> holstein, I must have had some sort of xrun at that moment in the capture.
[17:02] <mbeierl> actually that was the reason I switched to studio - the low latency kernel, but apparently even that's not good enough on this hardware.
[17:03] <holstein> mbeierl: maybe... exportinty it and testing as i suggested ealier should "sterilize" that from the file
[17:03] <holstein> exporting*
[17:03] <holstein> mbeierl: the lowlatency kernel is in the repos
[17:03] <holstein> you can use it with any of the *buntu's
[17:04] <holstein> likely, the best increase in performance and quality will be, if you are using an internal audio interface, upgrading to something more appropriate for audio creation
[17:04] <mbeierl> ah!
[17:04] <holstein> ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[17:04] <holstein> just as xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[17:04] <mbeierl> yes, I am using the built-in line in interface, capturing off an aviom
[17:05] <mbeierl> yes, but I could not find a low latency kernel for the 11.10 stock that I was running
[17:05] <holstein> mbeierl: theres a PPA
[17:05] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+ppa-packages is what i would refernce
[17:05] <holstein> however, that is not the issue
[17:06] <holstein> for me, if i had an internal card, i would just relax the JACK settings
[17:06] <holstein> you dont *need* lowlateny to do what you are doing
[17:06] <mbeierl> do tell.  I'm getting too many underruns
[17:06] <holstein> mbeierl: relax the JACK settings
[17:06] <mbeierl> sorry - new to jack.  how do I do that?
[17:07] <holstein> mbeierl: in the jack settings, raise the frames/period and the periods/buffer
[17:07] <holstein> experiment
[17:08] <holstein> id say start with 1024 frames/period and 2 or 3 periods/buffer
[17:09] <mbeierl> sorry - how do I get to the jack settings?
[17:09] <holstein> MaynardWaters: you might also demo the new live CD
[17:09] <holstein> mbeierl: in the qjackctl GUI window, theres a button labeled "setup"
[17:10] <mbeierl> qjackqtl - thanks!
[17:10] <holstein> you want to have JACK *not* running, then tweak.. start... test.. stop... tweak, start, test... so on
[17:10] <holstein> the only person/company that could help you with this setting wont, so you just have to test
[17:11] <mbeierl> got it.  thanks very much for the help.  I was wondering where this stuff was kept!
[17:12] <holstein> unless you actually find someone with that exact hardware using JACK
[17:12] <holstein> that can be handy
[17:12] <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians if its slow here and you need help tweaking :)
[17:13] <mbeierl> yep. sitting in #opensource already.
[17:15] <mbeierl> holstein, wow!  just a slight increase made a huge difference in the playback when going through effects and jamin.  Thanks again!
[17:16] <holstein> mbeierl: enjoy!
[18:28] <rodriguezcheri> can someone help me? I have a problem with the audio in my web browser
[18:29] <rodriguezcheri> the audio doesn't work when look at videos
[19:07] <plotino> hi
[19:39] <andersj> hi
[19:39] <andersj> i'm having trouble getting my edirol fa-101 working
[19:40] <andersj> i had it working .. but i had to reinstall on another media and after that i cant seem to get the soundcard working
[19:41] <andersj> i get this errormessage
[19:41] <andersj> http://pastebin.com/fq9jqiQ6
[19:43] <andersj> pleas someone help me
[19:43] <nutate> what's the issue?
[19:45] <andersj> http://pastebin.com/fq9jqiQ6
[19:45] <andersj> errormessage when trying to start jackd
[19:46] <nutate> yeesh, what's your hardware?
[19:47] <andersj> um.. all of it?
[19:48] <nutate> no your firewire interface
[19:48] <andersj> my soundcard you mean? edirol FA-101
[19:48] <andersj> or do you mean my internal firewireport?
[19:49] <andersj> the funny thing is that i had this working before
[19:49] <nutate> no
[19:49] <nutate> all i see is: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1398551
[19:49] <nutate> i have a presonus firebox, but I'm not using it right now
[19:50] <andersj> i dont have ubuntustudio-controls
[19:51] <andersj> dont seem to anyway
[19:54] <andersj> i get the same errormessage when trying any settings with the firewire driver
[19:55] <nutate> hmm
[19:55] <nutate> yea i really have no idea ... sorry :-/
[19:56] <nutate> does it work with jack + alsa?
[19:59] <andersj> huh?
[19:59] <andersj> what do you mean?
[20:00] <andersj> does what work with jack + alsa?
[20:00] <andersj> i'm a total noob at this
[20:01] <andersj> i've run some linux and know my way around editors an such.. but configuring firewire audio...
[20:03] <andersj> the most irritating thing about this is that this card has worked..
[20:03] <andersj> but i had to reinstall and forgot the settings.
[20:04] <andersj> i have updated the bios since then
[20:04] <andersj> and i really hope that its not because of that
[20:05] <MaynardWaters> holstein: I am getting very comfortable with install, but I plan on telling everyone that they could use a live cd, bc i am sure some of the old people are going to be like "what is a live cd?"
[20:05] <nutate> ah
[20:05] <andersj> what?
[20:05] <nutate> andersj, you should be able to run jack with an alsa backend and see if it will work with your internal soundcard
[20:05] <andersj> it does
[20:05] <nutate> to see if you are having trouble with real time jack or something
[20:06] <andersj> if i use the internal soundcard it works nice
[20:06] <andersj> ahh..
[20:06] <andersj> i unchecked realtime and it worked
[20:07] <andersj> but that seems wrong
[20:07] <nutate> andersj, also it could be the raw1394 mod
[20:07] <nutate> ah
[20:07] <nutate> well ya
[20:07] <nutate> sure
[20:07] <nutate> not what you want.
[20:07] <nutate> chances are your user isn't in the real time group or something
[20:07] <nutate> can root run it realtime?
[20:07] <andersj> i got this aswell
[20:07] <andersj> Tue May 15 22:06:37 2012: [1m[31mERROR: JackEngine::XRun: client = PulseAudio JACK Sink was not run: state = 2[0m
[20:07] <andersj> Tue May 15 22:06:37 2012: [1m[31mERROR: JackAudioDriver::ProcessGraphAsyncMaster: Process error[0m
[20:08] <nutate> well that's more likely from it being not realtime
[20:08] <nutate> but ... i'm not sure
[20:08] <nutate> back in a sec
[20:10] <andersj> brb.. i'm gonna try a thing
[20:15] <nutate> ya
[20:15] <andersj> damn
[20:16] <andersj> i added myself to a group called rtkit
[20:16] <andersj> hopng that it would have something to do with realtime
[20:16] <andersj> no i'm getting another error
[20:16] <andersj> ue May 15 22:15:42 2012: [1m[31mERROR: firewire ERR: Could not start streaming threads[0m
[20:18] <andersj> ok.. will reboot.. see ya in a biit
[20:21] <andersj> hi gglitch
[20:21] <andersj> you any good with realtime  and firewire?
[20:36] <gglitch> andersj: Sorry, no; I have never tried to use either a realtime kernel or any firewire peripherals. Having trouble?
[20:37] <andersj> yup.. if i try to run my edirol fa-101 with realtime in jackd is doesn work
[20:37] <andersj> i i get alot of xrun errors
[20:38] <andersj> i guess i'll have to try some forums
[20:39] <andersj> worst case i guess is to get a expresscard firewire instead of the internal
[20:39] <andersj> i've read that some ppl have had problems with them
[20:39] <nutate> also try #kxstudio
[20:55] <MaynardWaters> in a room full of acousticians I am planning on showing off ubuntu studio, I feel like my presenation will be pretty impressive if I can get jack ardour and 3 other programs linked and playing nicely together, any suggestions on the 3 other programs, im thinking hydrogen, a synth and ....maybe a sampler
[20:56] <MaynardWaters> I again welcome comentary and suggestions
[20:57] <andersj> that sounds like fun
[20:57] <MaynardWaters> help me make it more fun andersj
[20:58] <andersj> im sorry dude.. this is my first day with ubuntustudio and my soundcard
[20:58] <andersj> i really dont know how to make it more fun
[20:59] <andersj> brb..
[21:47] <andersj> hi.. anyone here?
[21:58] <vidkid> hello ive been trying to get some help with cinerella
[21:59] <vidkid> but if anyone does video editing i believe its a general question
[21:59] <vidkid> can anyone help in this subject??
[22:01] <vidkid> well ill keep this open for a bit....
[22:03] <vidkid> if anyone can advise on resizing....since my clips are already at 1080p
[22:56] <holstein> vidkid: what subject?
[22:56] <holstein> maybe try the specific channels for the apps
[22:56] <vidkid> hi
[22:56] <vidkid> i tried cinelerra but no answ
[22:56] <vidkid> i think its general to video editing
[22:56] <holstein> yeah, you might have to wait
[22:56] <holstein> has it been 24hours?
[22:57] <holstein> i'll just suggest trying on of the more supported apps
[22:57] <holstein> openshot.. kdenlive
[22:57] <vidkid> i just want to have my subject in front of a green screen smaller without re-encoding again...
[22:57] <holstein> more developed... arguably
[22:57] <vidkid> i tried maybe i can just stay on kdenlive
[22:58] <vidkid> its similar enough...
[22:58] <holstein> vidkid: Scott, who is not here now did that with openshot
[22:58] <vidkid> but no one seemed to be around
[22:58] <vidkid> in cinelerra i know for some people in europe its already quite late
[22:59] <vidkid> and in the meantime i keep reading up on the docs but im green at all this!
[23:01] <vidkid> in the end ill just have to wing it cause i have to keep working on it....but if you dont hear anything ill switch back to another chat in a bit....thnks!
[23:01] <holstein> vidkid: good luck
[23:02] <vidkid> btw re: ubuntu studio  is cinelerra in the repos?
[23:02] <vidkid> 12.04
[23:03] <vidkid> will be installing it soon...
[23:03] <vidkid> oh yes its in ppa for 12.04
[23:04] <vidkid> ok have a good one (day, eve?)


 Didn't work
[13:21] <jrwren> what is UDFI?
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> morning
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: do you mean UEFI?
[13:38] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: no.  Sorry you got cloned.
[14:59] <cmaloney> Yeah, second time.
[14:59] <cmaloney> Worst part is this one is going to be a little more drawn out
[15:00] <cmaloney> BoA called us this morning to let us know. Apparently last night they didn't do everything they needed to do to fix things
[15:00] <cmaloney> Sad thing is if someone needed a tank of gas that badly I would have given it to them
[15:01] <cmaloney> not so much on the TJ Maxx / Marshalls spree
[15:01] <cmaloney> Mostly because we don't have that kind of money to spread around
[15:01] <cmaloney> I feel bad for the person who felt it necessary to commit fraud to get what they want
[15:11] <akelling> Only see United Dairy in the Columbus area
[16:07] <cmaloney> Yeah, I thought there was something similar in this area but they were rather short lived.
[16:22] <greg-g> g'morn
[16:23] <greg-g> cmaloney: I hope everything is taken care of by BoA :/
[16:23] <jrwren> BoA is evil empire!
[16:23]  * jrwren goes and listens to SNOG
[16:24] <greg-g> :)
[16:30] <cmaloney> Thanks.
[16:30] <cmaloney> They'll be fine I'm sure
[16:30] <cmaloney> just annoying
[16:30] <greg-g> yeah
[16:31] <greg-g> time and patience I didn't have to give
[16:41] <cmaloney> Well, that's another matter. :)
[17:02] <cmaloney> It must be six months since lmorchard played with his blog. I'm seeing new entries in my RSS feed. ;)
[17:02] <cmaloney> new old entries.
[17:02] <lmorchard> Yup
[17:03] <lmorchard> Oh, well that’s unintended, but I did post a new entry
[17:03] <cmaloney> Heh
[17:03] <lmorchard> And I also built & published it from a windows machine for the novelty of it
[17:04] <cmaloney> So coffeescript is out eh?
[17:05] <lmorchard> Lots of folks still using it, but ES6 seems to be the writing on the wall for many things I see around work
[17:06] <cmaloney> That's cool
[17:06] <lmorchard> Helps that we’ve got multiple tools to transpile from ES6 to current JS, toio
[17:06] <cmaloney> heh
[17:07] <cmaloney> if it fixes Javascript so I don't feel like I'm playing Russian Roulette with a simple if statement then I'll be happy.
[17:07] <lmorchard> Well, ES6 hasn’t jettisoned braces, so there’s that
[17:07] <cmaloney> That one doesn't bother me as much
[17:08] <cmaloney> That's a holdover from C if I'm reading what you're writing correctly.
[17:08] <lmorchard> coffeescript surprised me more than once with block structure in ways python never did
[17:08] <lmorchard> but of course, it’s by and for rubists, and I’ve never been a ruby fan
[17:08] <cmaloney> heh
[17:08] <cmaloney> Ruby looks like bad Perl to me.
[17:10] <lmorchard> Yeah, though I had more fun with perl nerds than ruby nerds :)
[18:13] <cmaloney> God... watching people in @kivy talk about ad networks on Android
[18:14] <cmaloney> I understand why people do ad-supported versions of software, I just hate the concept
[18:18] <brousch> So many people are too cheap to pay for an app, and many others have no qualms with pirating them
[18:18] <brousch> But ads suck
[18:19] <cmaloney> http://www.metalinjection.net/metal-in-the-mainstream/killswitch-engages-adam-d-won-the-price-is-right-today-seriously
[18:19] <jrwren> http://teamcoco.com/video/punch-brothers-02-09-15
[18:19] <cmaloney> brousch: Oh I know. I've had this conversation
[18:20] <cmaloney> and I remember ponying up $15+ in 1990s dollars for Palm apps.
[18:21] <jrwren> cmaloney: palm was even more heavy handed with taking their cut than apple and google today.
[18:21] <jrwren> cmaloney: IIRC it was like 80% went to palm and 20% to app devs
[18:22] <cmaloney> Yeah, I never released anything via Palm so I have NFC what their cut was
[18:22] <cmaloney> but $30 for an app was not unheard of
[18:22] <cmaloney> http://www.pimlicosoftware.com/datebk3.htm
[18:23] <cmaloney> Holy shit, there's still development
[18:32] <brousch> cmaloney: Darn, I was hoping you had a profitable app dev model
[18:32] <brousch> The best I've come up with ad-supported but with the ability to suppress ads via in-app purchase
[18:33] <brousch> Suppress them for a time span, not forever
[18:33] <brousch> So you get continuing revenue from the ads or from the suppression
[18:50] <cmaloney> Yeah
[18:50] <cmaloney> I don't particularly like that model either. :)
[18:50] <cmaloney> But it's workable
[18:51] <cmaloney> Also: https://bookie.io/craig/recent/centos?count=50&page=0
[18:51] <cmaloney> Nice to see that Ubuntu can install CentOS in a container
[18:51] <brousch> I've not actually seen an app using my revenue model
[18:51] <cmaloney> That's how most of the "Free" versions of my apps on my phone work
[18:52] <cmaloney> though you have to buy the pro version and remove the "free" version
[18:52] <brousch> I've only seen free w/ ads version or paid version
[18:52] <cmaloney> but some have freemium models
[18:52] <cmaloney> The "pay subscription for continued revenue" seems a little douchey to me
[18:53] <brousch> Show me one with "turn off ads for 3 months for $0.99"
[18:53] <cmaloney> That's easy. new version every 3 months. ;)
[18:54] <brousch> But then you lose all of the reviews and the install count
[18:55] <brousch> I want a single app with all features enabled. You pay per month to optionally turn off ads.
[18:56] <cmaloney> I want to know how this became my problem to find an app that does this. :)
[18:57] <brousch> You said "cmaloney> That's how most of the "Free" versions of my apps on my phone work"
[18:58] <cmaloney> I meant they have versions where you can turn off ads
[18:58] <cmaloney> but most of them aren't time-based
[18:58] <brousch> Ah, right, but the time based is the key to making it sustainable
[19:10] <brousch> hmmmmm http://onethingwell.org/post/110641585238/juju


[00:32] <sergiusens> jdstrand: ah, fwiw the only reason we exec snappy is to snappy unpack
[02:38] <rsalveti> sergiusens: will release snappy and goget-ubuntu-touch
[02:51] <sergiusens> rsalveti: ok, I'm preparing a nice u-d-f branch that makes things nicer
[02:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: oh, great then
[02:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: the other branch is already merged, and pushed ubuntu-snappy already
[02:53] <rsalveti> should hit proposed in a few, then an upload for goget-ubuntu-touch should do it
[02:53] <rsalveti> then just need to copy it over tools-proposed, and test it again
[03:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti: did you create the next milestone already? :-P
[03:58] <sergiusens> rsalveti: hmm, the u-d-f change wasn't needed :P
[03:59] <sergiusens> rsalveti: this branch would allow to preprovision images with frameworks that provide policies https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snappy/policyRoot/+merge/261802
[03:59] <sergiusens> utlemming: btw ^
[03:59] <sergiusens> such as docker
[06:20] <seb128> hey snappy world
[06:20] <seb128> slangasek, hey, just as a fyi, desktop-next built on amd64 now ;-)
[06:22] <mvo> seb128: yay, does it also boots ;)
[06:25] <seb128> mvo, dunno, I still didn't manage to transform those tarballs in an image locally
[06:25] <seb128> the reply I got is "get the build on a s-i channel and use u-d-f"
[06:25] <mvo> and its not yet imported info s-i?
[06:26] <seb128> it was not yesterday
[06:26] <seb128> unsure if that happened during the night
[06:26] <seb128> somebody needs to set that up
[06:26] <seb128> unsure who the somebody is, slangasek?
[06:29] <mvo> seb128: does it have a config already?
[06:29] <mvo> looks like it
[06:29] <mvo> [channel_ubuntu-personal/rolling/edge]
[06:30] <mvo> seb128: looks like you have a image
[06:31] <ToyKeeper> Well, hmm.  The latest snappy rpi image comes pre-loaded with ogra_ 's ssh key in .ssh/authorized_keys.
[06:32] <seb128> mvo, oh, nice ;-)
[06:32] <seb128> mvo, going to try that in a bit
[06:32] <mvo> seb128: I guess the next step is that you get u-d-f support for personal, it derrives the url from the product name (core) so right now its not working
[06:32] <seb128> oh?
[06:32] <mvo> seb128: or do you have a commandline that works?
[06:32] <seb128> I see
[06:32] <seb128> I don't
[06:32]  * mvo i smaybe missing something
[06:32] <seb128> I didn't try u-d-f yet
[06:32] <seb128> I didn't even know the channel was configured
[06:33] <mvo> seb128: slangasek added it yesterday (according to the bzr logs). so say a big thank you to him :)
[06:34] <seb128> slangasek, thanks ;-)
[06:34]  * seb128 is going to pay some beers at the next conference
[06:34] <seb128> mvo, thanks as well ;-)
[06:34] <seb128> mvo, who do I pay beers to for the u-d-f changes now? ;-)
[06:38] <mvo> seb128: sergiusens is the man! let me see if I can add something for you to unblock you
[06:43] <seb128> mvo, thanks
[06:47] <mvo> seb128: you can try http://paste.ubuntu.com/11700595/ first line is the command, second the diff to use for u-d-f
[06:48] <seb128> mvo, danke
[06:57] <mvo> seb128: heh, u-d-f needs to create bigger partitions for you now
[06:59] <seb128> mvo, those are not dynamic to accomodate the tarball?
[07:01] <fgimenez> good morning
[07:02] <mvo> seb128: no, hardcoded afaik
[07:02] <mvo> fgimenez: hey, good morning
[07:02] <seb128> mvo, do you know where? did you try to generate a personnal image? did it fail because of that?
[07:03] <fgimenez> hi mvo!
[07:05] <davidcalle> Good morning o/
[07:07] <davidcalle> ogra_, hello, still want to wait for the raspi2 to become officially supported to updated the dev site? The "I expect this URL to persist for a while" from your ml email makes me think we should do it now.
[07:07]  * davidcalle grabs coffee, brb
[07:09] <ToyKeeper> I have a lot of learning to do to figure out how rpi2+snappy works.
[07:11] <davidcalle> to update*
[07:11] <mvo> seb128: so system-{a,b} are just 1gb big, how much do you need? 4?
[07:11] <ToyKeeper> With snappy and systemd and no apt-get and all the other new stuff, it feels like a whole different operating system.
[07:11] <mvo> ToyKeeper: yeah, it is
[07:13] <seb128> mvo, I'm unsure, is it compressed or uncompressed? it should be pretty similar to our standard iso which is a bit over 1G, I'm unsure how much is the installed system nowadys but 4G should be enough
[07:13] <ToyKeeper> Speaking of partitions, one of the things on my todo list is change partition sizes to use the whole card instead of just 4GB.
[07:15] <ToyKeeper> But not tonight.  Tonight, bed.
[07:16] <mvo> seb128: ok, you get a updated debdiff in a sec
[07:16] <seb128> mvo, thanks ;-)
[07:16] <seb128> ToyKeeper, night
[07:16] <mvo> ToyKeeper: if you use u-d-f you set the size at image creation time
[07:17] <mvo> seb128: but only for the writable partitions, the system-a/b are hardcoded
[07:17] <seb128> mvo, ?
[07:17] <seb128> mvo, was that second line for ToyKeeper as well?
[07:17] <mvo> seb128: for you because you need partition size changes :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/11700710/ should do it
[07:17] <mvo> seb128: sorry, too little context I guess
[07:18] <seb128> mvo, ?
[07:18] <seb128> mvo, trying that change, thanks
[07:18] <seb128> mvo, "<mvo> seb128: but only for the writable partitions, the system-a/b are hardcoded"
[07:18] <seb128> not sure what that meant
[07:18] <seb128> anyway, I understand your code change, so trying that ;-)
[07:19] <mvo> seb128: sorry, too little context. I was refering to that ubuntu-device-flash has a --size option. but that it won't help you  because of the hardcoding of the sizes of a/b
[07:20] <seb128> oh, right
[07:20] <seb128> mvo, I though it was a reply to ToyKeeper "one of the things on my todo list is change partition sizes to use the whole card instead of just 4GB."
[07:21]  * mvo nods
[07:21] <seb128> the snaps are installed in the writable one right?
[07:22] <mvo> seb128: yes
[07:28] <seb128> mvo, u-d-f ongoing, it's a bit weird, it downloads a 78M file and a 456M one, those doesn't match the generated tarballs from launchpad
[07:28] <seb128> but let's see
[07:28] <seb128> maybe it's normal and I'm having wrong assumptions there
[07:28] <mvo> seb128: might be different compression (xz vs gz)? the 78mb is the kernel
[07:29] <seb128> mvo, kernel = device tarball?
[07:30] <seb128> mvo, it's 148M on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-desktop-next/+build/29455
[07:30] <seb128> hum
[07:30] <seb128> mvo, did you try that command?
[07:30] <seb128> "issue while mapping partitions: more partitions then expected while creating loop mapping
[07:30] <seb128> "
[07:30] <seb128> it bails out on that here
[07:35] <mvo> seb128: meh, I got that now too
[07:35] <mvo> seb128: not sure what to do, maybe we need sergiusens for the rescue this is not really a area I worked in much
[07:36] <mvo> seb128: but could also be something else, I just set it back to 1024 and get the same error, maybe it got confused because of the earlier error?
[07:36] <seb128> mvo, ok, no worry, that can wait a few hours
[07:36] <seb128> mvo, or maybe something in the channel is wrongly set
[07:36] <seb128> ?
[07:36] <seb128> ubuntu-core doesn't have a device tarball
[07:36] <seb128> ubuntu-desktop-next has
[07:36] <mvo> could be
[07:36] <seb128> so maybe they have different configs and need another u-d-f handling
[07:36] <seb128> mvo, let's wait for sergiusens
[07:36] <mvo> 150mb vs 78 is indeed a huge diffrence
[07:37] <seb128> thanks for trying to help ;-)
[07:37] <mvo> yw, sorry that it did not work out
[07:37] <seb128> no worry
[08:01] <ogra_> davidcalle, that was my plan ... i have some meetings til noon though
[08:06] <mvo> ogra_: did you see what ToyKeeper wrote earlier?
[08:07] <ogra_> mvo, its a fake key ... i explicitly generated it and moved my real one away ... u-d-f --developer-mode requires it
[08:07] <ogra_> (it refuses to roll the image if there is no key)
[08:09] <davidcalle> ogra_, np, to update the page, I just need to know if the first udf snippet (the one not using the OEM .snap) is still relevant and what should replace it. (https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/#snappy-raspi2). I think I can figure out the rest with your README and the current text.
[08:09] <mvo> ogra_: heh, nice. is it a actual key or a string like "garrrrr, kthxbye")?
[08:09] <ogra_> mvo, i wasnt sure if it checks for validity so it is actually a key :)
[08:09] <ogra_> else i would just have touched the file ... will try that for the next build :)
[08:10] <ogra_> (it is quite an annoying process btw ... once you moved a new key in place half the desktop gets confused because gnome-keyring-daemon caches the wrong one)
[08:12] <mvo> ogra_: woah
[08:13] <mvo> ogra_: I guess some people will be unhappy if it looks like a valid key because they have no way of knowing that there exists on maching key on your side :/
[08:21] <ogra_> mvo, well, ppisati has a new kernel binary, there is the issue witjh the serial number on cmdline to get a fixed MAC ... i'll have to re-roll anyway soon i guess
[08:21] <ogra_> i'll try the touched file then
[08:21] <mvo> nice
[08:21] <mvo> thanks!
[08:23] <vsuojanen> Hello, I haven't tried yet but can you say is it possible in amd64/i386 stable images possible to configure and custom grub menus without loosing the settings after ubuntu core updates?
[08:26] <ogra_> lol, why do people always ask the easy questions :)
[08:27] <ogra_> mvo, i think the above is a very interesting question ... will snappy personal support dual booting (which means we need a grub menu) ?
[08:30] <vsuojanen> there is only etc/grub.d/09_snappy. what did you mean by snappy personal ? is it some other than https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/ ?
[08:31] <ogra_> yes, the desktop version
[08:31] <ogra_> or the converged version ...
[08:31] <mvo> vsuojanen: its not straightforward right now, what use-case do you see here?
[08:31] <ogra_> ... however you want to call it :)
[08:31] <mvo> ogra_: *uff* we want to get rid of update-grub soon
[08:32] <ogra_> mvo, well, for a desktop install i would expect people to still have dual boot here and there
[08:32] <ogra_> or rather "to want to have" ... :)
[08:32] <mvo> ogra_: right, I see the need, I just have no idea right now what to do
[08:33] <mvo> ogra_: well, there are various ways :) need to think about this, but I really really want our grub to be dramatically simpler
[08:33] <ogra_> why are we getting rid of update-grub instead of making it get out of our way ?
[08:33] <vsuojanen> coreos support pxe and ipxe so that you can netboot and load your rootfs with root= separately.
[08:34] <ogra_> vsuojanen, but without using the snappy initrd you wont get the snappy filesystem setup at all
[08:35] <ogra_> (you need to make sure thats supplied by your PXE setup ... and even then it will look for partition labels which you would need to hack up inside the initrd)
[08:36] <mvo> ogra_: it adds (lots) of complexity we don't need. we know exactly what kernels are on the system and where to find them. we can remove ~500 lines of shell to detect labels/parittions/kernels we also can make the mounting much simpler, right now we chroot into the "other" parition and bind-mount back the original one because the system needs to see them both
[08:36] <mvo> lots of complexity here that will come and bite us with bugs
[08:37] <ogra_> yeah
[08:37] <mvo> ogra_: but other OSes is something we need to think hard about
[08:37] <vsuojanen> so snappy is both kernel (with initrd) and rootfs ?
[08:37] <mvo> yes
[08:38] <ogra_> well, a readonly rootfs
[08:38] <vsuojanen> apps are there in the persistent partition
[08:38] <ogra_> and a writable partition where the files live you need writable on a system
[08:39] <ogra_> and in fact it is two readonly rootfs'es if you want the rollback support
[08:43] <vsuojanen> thanks ogra_ mvo
[08:50] <zyga> hi
[08:50]  * zyga goes to figure out what's wrong with https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1464275
[08:51] <ogra_> it is funny that only you seem to hit it
[08:53] <zyga> ogra_: next sd card, verified everything
[08:53] <zyga> ogra_: and previous image ran
[08:53] <zyga> ogra_: magic
[08:55] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Peanut Butter Cookie Day! 😃
[08:56] <zyga> ogra_: is this correct based on your knowledge https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1464275/comments/6
[08:57] <zyga> ogra_: the external sd card is mmc 0, the boot partition (fat) is 1
[09:02] <zyga> ogra_: where do bootpart and loadaddr come from, are they hardwired into uboot?
[09:03] <ogra_> usually from uEnv.txt
[09:03] <zyga> ogra_: well, the uEnv.txt I have is just two lines
[09:03] <zyga> # where to load initrd
[09:03] <zyga> initrd_addr=0x88080000
[09:03] <zyga> # load Snappy environment and call into Snappy boot after processing this file
[09:03] <zyga> uenvcmd=load mmc ${bootpart} ${loadaddr} snappy-system.txt; env import -t $loadaddr $filesize; run snappy_boot
[09:03] <ogra_> not sure if the BBB image ships a uboot.env file
[09:03] <zyga> (+ comments)
[09:03] <zyga> nope
[09:03] <zyga> just uEnv.txt and snappy-system.txt
[09:03] <zyga> at least in the image I've got
[09:04]  * zyga really really wants someone to try to reproduce that
[09:04] <ogra_> hmm, does anyone else have issues reaching people.canonical.com ?
[09:04] <ogra_> zyga, then it just uses the defaults from u-boot
[09:08] <ogra_> hrm, seems my VPN is screwed up
[09:13] <zyga> ogra_: oh
[09:14] <tvoss> ogra_, I cannot reach canonical's irc
[09:14] <ogra_> yep, same here
[09:15] <ogra_> and the VPN is dead too
[09:15] <ogra_> yay, friday :P
[09:16] <zyga> ogra_: I figured it out
[09:16] <zyga> ogra_: I need to check if it works just because everyone that ties still has debian on emmc
[09:16] <zyga> ogra_: but the config is borked
[09:16] <zyga> ogra_: the defaults point to emmc
[09:16] <zyga> ogra_: and there's nothing there
[09:16] <zyga> fgimenez: hey, do you have a beagle bone black?
[09:16] <ogra_> there should be an SPL
[09:17] <zyga> ogra_: can it insert variables into uboot?
[09:17] <ogra_> no, it doesnt, it will just switch to SD
[09:17] <ogra_> but you need something there to actually boot
[09:17] <zyga> ogra_: the problem seems to be that on the image we ship, bootpart is 1:2
[09:17] <zyga> that's eMMC, partition 2
[09:18] <zyga> and nothing in uEnv.txt changes that
[09:18]  * ogra_ wonders if you have a different model
[09:18] <zyga> ogra_: different model of what? uboot from the sd card?
[09:18] <ogra_> BBB
[09:18] <fgimenez> zyga, yes, but no serial cable, yesterday version 3 worked for me, do you want me to try?
[09:19] <ogra_> the BBB is open HW, anyone can make and sell them ... we usually all have element14 devices
[09:19] <ogra_> there might be minor differences when manufactured by another manufacturer
[09:31] <zyga> (sorry, system crash)
[09:32] <zyga> ogra_: I have A5A written on the side,
[09:32] <zyga> ogra_: trying to look at elinux.org but it seems down
[09:32] <zyga> (looking for changelog)
[09:32] <zyga> ogra_: both of my beagles are from element 14
[09:33] <ogra_> well, then we should all be on the same HW
[09:34] <zyga> ogra_: I think it's a minor issue to fix, it _did_ work until I upgraded to -3
[09:34] <ogra_> elinux is fine here
[09:34] <zyga> ogra_: and it seems the issue can be fixed with one line in the uEnv.txt
[09:34] <zyga> ogra_: which version do you have?
[09:34] <ogra_> dunno
[09:34] <zyga> ogra_: (and if you know) how to determine the version correctly
[09:34] <zyga> fgimenez: which version do you have
[09:44] <fgimenez> zyga the box says it's bbb rev C, don't know if i can query the hw somehow, was the 4gb flash storage size in rev B?
[09:44] <zyga> fgimenez: I think it was 2GB in B
[09:45] <zyga> fgimenez: ok, you have some C version
[09:45] <zyga> fgimenez: can you erase your emmc to see if this is unique to a5?
[09:47] <zyga> mvo: which lab runs tests on snappy/beagle? (looking at one ofthe TODO:QA cards on trello)
[09:47] <mvo> zyga: I don't know but I was able to run all of them here with my local BBB
[09:47] <zyga> mvo: I'm trying to understand who runs those tests and how that's set up
[09:49] <mvo> zyga: fgimenez or leo can help here I think
[09:51] <fgimenez> zyga mvo there's still no lab for that, we hope to set up an environment for running the selftest on this monthly iteration
[09:52] <zyga> fgimenez: do you have a location?
[09:54] <fgimenez> zyga nope, we'll contact CI for that, and in the meantime (and always to have consistent results from the tests) we'll run the automated suite locally
[09:55] <zyga> fgimenez: thanks
[09:55] <zyga> mvo: how do you run tests with adt?
[10:10] <sergiusens> morning
[10:10] <zyga> sergiusens: hi
[10:11] <sergiusens> seb128: I'll take care of personal; you need more snappy[a|b] storage space, right?
[10:11] <sergiusens> zyga: where does booting stop for you?
[10:11]  * sergiusens tries to avoid reading the full backlog in detail
[10:12] <zyga> sergiusens: it doesn't get out of uboot
[10:12] <zyga> sergiusens: tries to load everything from the wrong partition
[10:12] <sergiusens> zyga: oh, weird; on a bbb revC?
[10:12] <zyga> sergiusens: I can figure out the workaround, just being frustrated at the replacement laptop just being slow and crappy
[10:12] <zyga> sergiusens: A5A
[10:12] <zyga> sergiusens: I doubt it's rev relevant
[10:12] <zyga> sergiusens: more like what you have on emcc
[10:13] <zyga> mmc
[10:13] <zyga> sergiusens: unless uboot has wrong defaults for rev A
[10:13] <zyga> sergiusens: (which is possible)
[10:13] <sergiusens> zyga: yes, maybe, plars had a similar issue with that board
[10:13] <sergiusens> zyga: and the quick solution was to first install the latest debian to the emmc
[10:13] <zyga> sergiusens: have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1464275
[10:13] <zyga> sergiusens: well
[10:13] <zyga> sergiusens: the image is just broken :)
[10:14] <zyga> sergiusens: it's just plain wrong and easy to see why :)
[10:14] <zyga> sergiusens: if you can confirm that your bbb has the same defaults on revc (interrupt uboot)
[10:14] <zyga> sergiusens: then it's not specific to board revision
[10:14] <zyga> sergiusens: where can I send patches to uboot config (uEnv.txt)
[10:15] <sergiusens> zyga: lp:snappy-hub/snappy-systems
[10:15] <zyga> sergiusens: thanks, I'll branch that
[10:16] <zyga> https://code.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/snappy-systems ?
[10:16] <sergiusens> zyga: yeah, beagleblack/uEnv.txt iirc
[10:17] <zyga> yeah, got it
[10:19] <zyga> sergiusens: yes
[10:19] <zyga> sergiusens: that fixes it
[10:19] <zyga> sergiusens: I'll sent a merge request out
[10:21] <zyga> ogra_: I fixed it :)
[10:24] <sergiusens> ack
[10:24] <zyga> https://code.launchpad.net/~zyga/snappy-hub/fix-1464275/+merge/261833
[10:24]  * zyga looks at how to rebuild a clean image for testing
[10:30] <mvo> zyga: sorry for the delay, there is a readme for that, once sec
[10:31] <mvo> zyga: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy/snappy/view/head:/integration-tests/run-in-image/README
[10:34] <zyga> mvo: thanks!
[10:38] <zyga> sergiusens: are there any instructions for rebuilding the fully snappy image?
[10:39] <sergiusens> zyga: from which point?
[10:39] <zyga> sergiusens: I want to rebuild the bootloader snap
[10:39] <zyga> sergiusens: and rebuild the SD card image with that and core-3
[10:40]  * zyga needs to get some terminology right
[10:40] <zyga> (please teach me)
[10:40] <sergiusens> zyga: if it's to integrate your new bbb snap, snappy build it and then; sudo ubuntu-device-flash core 15.04 --oem ./local_beagleblack.snap --developer-mode --output bbb.img
[10:40] <zyga> sergiusens: fantastic, thanks
[10:40] <zyga> sergiusens: do I need any ppas apart from the snappy one>
[10:41] <sergiusens> zyga: it's just that the personal folk are dealing with the same one level deeper
[10:41] <sergiusens> zyga: no, it's all in ppa:snappy-dev/tools
[10:44] <zyga> sergiusens: is sudo needed for that?
[10:44] <zyga> sergiusens: or is it just a habit
[10:44] <ogra_> u-d-f needs to mount images
[10:45] <ogra_> so it need sudo
[10:45] <ogra_> *needs
[10:45] <zyga> ah, I see
[10:46] <ogra_> the patch looks sane, but i'd like to hear from lool, perhaps he sees drawbacks
[10:46] <zyga> ogra_: thanks
[10:46] <ogra_> (and you probably want some verification that it doesnt regress for working boards indeed
[10:46] <ogra_> )
[10:47]  * zyga sees hardware packs and linaro-media-create everywhere he looks ;-)
[10:47] <zyga> ogra_: yep, I'll test a clean image now
[10:47] <zyga> ogra_: and I want to see how it works on other beagles
[10:47] <ogra_> yeah, its kind of an evolution of that :)
[10:56] <tvoss> ogra_, do you still have issues accessing irc.canonical.com, too?
[10:57] <ogra_> nope
[10:57] <ogra_> vpn works, irc works
[11:11] <zyga> ogra_: boots okay on empty emmc
[11:29] <rsalveti> o/
[11:29] <rsalveti> sergiusens: https://launchpad.net/snappy/+milestone/15.04.2 :-)
[11:38] <ogra_> tvoss, did you restart your VPN connection after the outage ?
[11:38] <tvoss> ogra_, not running on a vpn connection here
[11:38] <ogra_> ah
[11:38] <rsalveti> did we have another outage?
[11:40] <seb128> sergiusens, hey, yes, mvo tried to bump it to 4G with http://paste.ubuntu.com/11700710/ but the image build fails atm with a  "issue while mapping partitions: more partitions then expected while creating loop mapping"
[11:40] <ogra_> rsalveti, vpn and irc were gone ... not sure if for everyone
[11:41] <seb128> sergiusens, but maybe something is wrong with the channel content, it tries to download a 78M device tarball where the one generated by the launchpad builder is 140M
[11:41] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, was fine for me at least
[11:41] <rsalveti> weird :-)
[11:43] <plars> zyga: ah, right, the way uboot is set up on the BBB image is really weird. I've mostly got it sorted though
[11:44] <plars> zyga: I'm just waking up though, give me a bit and I'll send you the info on it
[11:57] <zyga> plars: hey
[11:57] <zyga> plars: I fixed the bug
[11:57] <zyga> plars: details are here https://code.launchpad.net/~zyga/snappy-hub/fix-1464275/+merge/261833
[11:58] <zyga> plars: with that patch merged you can always boot
[12:32] <sergiusens> seb128: I'll sort it out
[12:32] <tvoss> asac, ping
[12:33] <sergiusens> mvo: hey, can you later look at https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/goget-ubuntu-touch/beBetter/+merge/261804 ?
[12:33] <mvo> sergiusens: sure
[12:34] <seb128> sergiusens, thanks, let me know if you figure out anything or if you have any patch/hack to try
[12:35] <seb128> sergiusens, I would have liked to get an image I can boot today, just to a nice way to wrap the week feeling like we get things in shape ;-)
[12:40] <mvo> sergiusens: you will hate me, have tons of questions. sorry for that, probably because its so hot here. nothing to worry about though (and I'm only at ~20% of the MP sso far) :/
[12:40] <sergiusens> mvo: no worries, I mostly switched to composing and implementing the diff in that MP
[12:59] <plars> zyga: yeah, we should discuss later. Basically the control over boot location with the s2 button doesn't necessarily do what you'd expect wrt where it pulls uboot from, and even which image it boots (it should worry you that you don't have to press s2 to boot snappy from the sd card)
[13:00] <plars> and in fact, you are booting the uboot from emmc when you do that, not the one that came on the snappy image
[13:02] <zyga> plars: I'll explain after the meeting
[13:47] <elopio> hello
[13:54] <tedg> elopio, Howdy!
[13:55] <zyga> plars: s2 doesn't change anything here, the problem is that even if you hold s2 and boot from sd
[13:55] <zyga> plars: uboot will load environment from emmc
[13:55] <zyga> plars: and that environment shipped on production boards from element 14
[13:55] <zyga> plars: actually allows our current images to boot
[13:55] <plars> zyga: right, that's why I had to rebuild uboot
[13:56] <zyga> plars: if you wipe emmc then you still boot from sd but now don't have the missing uEnv.txt
[13:56] <zyga> plars: the patch I provided changes that so emmc is irrelevant
[13:56] <plars> zyga: noooo, we want emmc
[13:56] <plars> zyga: without it, what happens if you flash a bad snappy image?
[13:56] <plars> zyga: you have no sensible way of replacing it
[13:56] <zyga> plars: it tries to load snappy from emmc, look at this:
[13:57] <zyga> https://code.launchpad.net/~zyga/snappy-hub/fix-1464275/+merge/261833
[13:57] <zyga> plars: replacing what?
[13:57] <plars> zyga: I think we're talking about two slightly different, but related problems
[13:57] <zyga> plars: we want emmc but the defaults in our image are wrong
[13:57] <zyga> plars: with this patch you can still use emmmc for anything
[13:57] <zyga> plars: it just won't be on the critical path for booting
[13:57] <roadmr> heya snappers. I did snappy update ubuntu-core (on rpi2), snappy list -v showed 81* and 83!, but when I rebooted it didn't switch to 83, shows 81* 83. Where do I start looking at what happened?
[13:57] <plars> zyga: scenario: automated snappy testing on bbb, you flash a bad snappy image to the sd, boot, and find out it's broken. How do you get back your stable testing platform?
[13:58] <plars> zyga: that's what I was going for
[13:58] <plars> you're just hitting the bad bootpart setting in uboot
[13:58] <zyga> plars: well, I don't know, that's out of the scope
[13:59] <plars> zyga: I certainly hope not!
[13:59] <zyga> plars: my point is that snappy images that we ship should work _regardless_ of what you have on emmc
[13:59] <zyga> plars: (well, we can use lava LMP)
[13:59] <plars> zyga: indeed, and I agree
[13:59] <zyga> plars: or "master image" on emmc
[13:59] <rsalveti> elopio: spain won in the end, right?
[13:59] <zyga> plars: so I think it is out of scope
[13:59] <plars> zyga: haha, well, they don't even use that. Apparently it doesn't work
[13:59] <zyga> plars: as long as the image we use boots regardless if placed on sd card
[13:59] <plars> zyga: talk to dave sometime
[13:59] <zyga> plars: oh? :D
[13:59] <zyga> plars: I would love to talk to them
[13:59] <elopio> rsalveti: yeah... We were close to a tie though.
[13:59] <plars> zyga: yeah, I had the same hope, but they told me it was doa
[14:00] <rsalveti> saw a few minutes, and was a bit intense, the goalkeeper was doing an amazing job
[14:00] <rsalveti> elopio: yeah, cool
[14:00] <plars> zyga: at least that's what he said a few weeks ago, and didn't sound optimistic at the time
[14:01] <elopio> fgimenez: I forgive you. I'm setting up the hangout.
[14:02] <elopio> fgimenez: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gwxohxu2okyw57dw2o5w2657jqa
[14:04] <elopio> everybody: fgimenez and I will start doing a daily hangout before the standup. Join us if you ever feel alone and need somebody to talk to... about tests.
[14:05] <fgimenez> elopio, omw 2-1...
[14:18] <ogra_> davidcalle, so how can i log in to the developer.ubuntu.com site in a way that i can edit (i think you or daniel once gave me edit rights)
[14:19] <ogra_> the "log in" button only expands a "my apps" option when i click it
[14:21] <ogra_> lool, can you remove your pi2.lool snap from the store (i guess we either want an updated one or none at all)
[14:22] <zyga> elopio: can you send me an invite please
[14:22] <elopio> zyga: I think it's open, just use the link: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gwxohxu2okyw57dw2o5w2657jqa
[14:23] <zyga> lool: hi, could you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~zyga/snappy-hub/fix-1464275/+merge/261833
[14:23] <elopio> let me know if it doesn't work.
[14:24] <zyga> elopio: looking
[14:24] <zyga> elopio: cool
[14:38] <davidcalle> ogra_, https://developer.ubuntu.com/openid/login/ (make sure you check the "editor" checkbox)
[14:56] <seb128> sergiusens, did you look at the snappy personnal image build yet? just curious to know if you see an issue or a workaround we could use to try to get an image build today ;-)
[15:11] <sergiusens> seb128: I just got back from errands, so will be looking now
[15:12] <seb128> sergiusens, thanks
[15:13] <jdstrand> sergiusens: so overnight my bbb is now not responding to ssh. it will respond to pings
[15:13] <jdstrand> sergiusens: is there an r83 image now?
[15:16] <sergiusens> mwenning-wfh: all your comments are awesome btw
[15:17] <sergiusens> err, mvo I mean ^ :-)
[15:17] <mwenning-wfh> aw man I was trying to sleep
[15:18] <mwenning-wfh> :-)
[15:22] <mvo> sergiusens: thanks
[15:23] <ogra_> davidcalle, geez, are we serious about that CMS ? it manages to get my 8 core i7 with 16G ram to its knees !
[15:23] <davidcalle> ogra_, how?
[15:24] <ogra_> seems to have ginormous amounts of javascript that eat my CPU and ram
[15:24] <davidcalle> ogra_, there are a some pretty bad things with it (and a lot of cool ones), but this one is new to me :/
[15:25] <ogra_> well, hangout in one tab, the CMS in another and my browser turns to a slideshow
[15:26] <davidcalle> ogra_, hmm, for now, do you want to send me your edits (or draft or notes), working fine for me
[15:26] <ogra_> no, i'm fine its just dog slow
[15:28] <fgimenez> elopio, so, the problem with the wrapper is related to the build of the debs, the dependencies are updated and doesn't work on vivid, right?
[15:29] <elopio> fgimenez: I have a brain overload. The build of the deb worked on the desktop, but ssh failed. ssh works on the laptop, but the build fails.
[15:29] <elopio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11702627/
[15:31] <elopio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11702636/
[15:32] <fgimenez> elopio, the first one seems to be related to the different release versions, if you try to execute bzr-buildpkage it should fail too
[15:34] <sergiusens> mvo: here's another one (just a rebase) https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/goget-ubuntu-touch/installYaml/+merge/261865
[15:34] <elopio> bzr bd works.
[15:35] <fgimenez> elopio, yep it seems to be more permissive with changes in the source tree
[15:36] <zyga> have a great weekend everyone
[15:37] <fgimenez> bye zyga
[15:43] <fgimenez> elopio, do you think that we should compile the tests in the deb build process as part of the wrapper card?
[15:44] <fgimenez> elopio, we can also leave this for the card about deploying selftests
[15:44] <elopio> fgimenez: I'm not yet sure if we should compile the tests as part of the deb build. Maybe we better make a different card for that.
[15:44] <elopio> fgimenez: yes, that sounds better. We can put a task in there about figuring out the best way to compile them.
[16:24] <kgunn> jdstrand: hey, just want to test my thinking, so i'm working on the sec policy like you walked me thru...
[16:24] <fgimenez> have a nice weekend o/
[16:24] <kgunn> i was planning on running mir-demo-server with strace
[16:24] <kgunn> and just collecting the syscalls there...does that seem like a sensible approach
[16:25] <kgunn> for the seccomp file
[16:27] <kgunn> brb
[18:51] <noise][> Anyone else encounter an error w/the latest rpi2 image: $ snappy list -v
[18:51] <noise][> 1970/01/01 00:20:36 Can not parse 'name: webdm
[18:51] <noise][> source: lp:webdm
[18:53] <noise][> that's right after a freshly installed image from http://people.canonical.com/~platform/snappy/raspberrypi2/
[18:55] <beuno> I bet Chipaca broke it
[18:55] <noise][> since he's probably off for the day, it's definitely his fault
[18:56] <beuno> why else would he take the day off?
[18:56] <noise][> and i was soooo excited to have my orange matchbox up and running
[18:57] <noise][> _was_.
[18:57] <beuno> noise][, so
[18:57] <beuno> the first issue is the wrong date
[18:57] <beuno> ssl doesn't *love* being told it's the 1970's
[18:57] <noise][> y, but not sure why that would affect parsing the rest
[18:58] <beuno> yeah, definetly
[18:58]  * noise][ recalls something about that date issue, checks list archive
[18:58] <beuno> sergiusens can also be blamed
[19:04] <jdstrand> rsalveti: hey, what is a simple way I can determine if a snappy is a snappy system as opposed to touch, desktop or server?
[19:05] <jdstrand> s/if a snappy/if a system/
[19:05] <jdstrand> I really hate the last minute workaround in click-apparmor that just looks for /usr/bin/snappy
[19:10] <rsalveti> noise][: hm, I think ogra_ updated the image earlier today
[19:10] <rsalveti> it was fine yesterday
[19:10] <noise][> rsalveti: bummer
[19:11]  * sergiusens can sometimes be blamed, but not by beuno :-P
[19:11] <rsalveti> jdstrand: hm, wonder if sergiusens can help you with that
[19:12] <sergiusens> rsalveti: the only other alternative was to parse /etc/system-image/channel.ini and check for ubuntu-core in there
[19:12] <rsalveti> until we change to the store, yeah
[19:16] <jdstrand> yeah, that was what I was thinking. ok, thanks
[19:36] <jdstrand> sergiusens: I'm uploading https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/click-apparmor/snappyFameworksDir/+merge/261032 to wily. do you want a corresponding upload to the system image build ppa?
[19:44] <sergiusens> jdstrand: just wily for now
[19:44] <sergiusens> thanks
[19:44] <jdstrand> sergiusens: ok. fyi, the change would be harmless on 15.04, but that's fine
[20:48] <ogra_> rsalveti, i didnt update anything
[20:51] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11704275/
[20:51] <ogra_> all fine on my install
[20:53] <ogra_> noise][1, i cant really repro that here :/
[20:54]  * ogra_ will take a deeper look tomorrow ...
[21:03] <noise][1> ogra_ hmm.. i'm off now but maybe I'll reflash and try again later/tomorrow
[21:39] <kgunn> jdstrand: hey, i'm back at it, first denial i see is a seccomp denial for lchow (which i think is due to the script changing the socket so apps can use it)
[21:40] <kgunn> so do i litterally just place lchow in my newly created seccomp.mir ?
[21:49] <sergiusens> ogra_: he install webdm 0.1, that predates the release of all releases :-P
[22:09] <ToyKeeper> gah...  there's no rsync on the orange box and no apt-get.
[22:10] <ToyKeeper> I can work around most of the missing stuff, but the workarounds require rsync.  :(
[23:08] <slangasek> ToyKeeper: what workarounds do you need that work with rsync but not scp?
[23:10] <ToyKeeper> slangasek: The idea was to do everything on my desktop and 'rsync -av --delete' that directory to /home/ubuntu on the pi2.  scp is nowhere near as good at syncing that way.
[23:11] <slangasek> hmm, well. it requires a bit more scripting for the --delete part
[23:11] <ToyKeeper> When a project is ready, I'd then make a snap for it and install it that way.
[23:11] <ToyKeeper> Ideally, I'd prefer a 2-way sync like unison, but that's far less standard.
[23:12] <ToyKeeper> slangasek: BTW, do you have any idea how to get X11 running on the orange box?  Most of my project ideas involved a television.
[23:16] <slangasek> ToyKeeper: X is incompatible with snappy; you can have Mir instead...
[23:17] <ToyKeeper> Hmm.  That makes most of my ideas impossible until/unless we get XMir.
[23:22] <ToyKeeper> Cutting out all legacy debian/ubuntu packages and all legacy graphical apps really limits the options here...


[01:34] <TheMuso> I'm experimenting with geisview and a multi-touch touchpad in a 2011 MBP. I am finding that I only see 3-finger gestures being registered. Is there a way to at least temporarily alter the state of the touchpad/driver such that 1 and 2 finger gestures register? Yes I know geisview registers everything greater than one touch, but still...
[01:34] <TheMuso> Unity 3-finger drag/grab handles gestures, and dash gestures all work.
[11:33] <ppd> hi. I just need some clarification. I beliebe unity in 12.10 has multitouch support, correct? Second: What is the preferred way to investigate whether unity recognizes for example my wacom touchscreen as a multitouch device?


[01:31] <UnHolyTerror> Look at all the linux users in Florida tonight...
[01:44] <mhall119> UnHolyTerror: 3 comments in one night, this channel is hopping!
[02:15] <UnHolyTerror> Ha!
[21:38] <Nothing_Much> Testing a fix for a bug is so satisfying, especially when it works
[22:11] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: +1 to that


[07:36] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:03] <ztane> is wily Python 3 only on fresh installs
[08:03] <ztane> as rumored
[08:06] <lordievader> That'll be nice, if it is true.
[08:06] <lordievader> !info python2 wily
[08:06] <lordievader> !info python wily
[10:20] <ztane> !info python3 wily
[10:21] <ztane> so it is optional, unlike python 3, good
[10:21] <ztane> I cannot test it easily, as I do not have time for a fresh install :P
[10:22] <ztane> though... why is it 3.4.3
[10:22] <ztane> !info python3.5 wily
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[16:24] <Halamix2> Hi, uh, I broke something in my system (obviously) I've made horrible things and I suppose I must confess what I've done to get a spark of hope.
[16:24] <Halamix2> So I've updated Xubuntu to 15.10 (update-manager -d) but upgrade went wrong and I was left with semi-broken system. I've managed to repair some things (apt-get update, recovery dpkg and Synaptic magic). My problem now is that when I stat my system I get nothing but blank screen. However I can get image when using nomodeset (or boot through recovery mode). I addition I cannot start OpenGL plugin in Compiz (Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on
[16:24] <Halamix2> display ":0.0") and nvidia-settings doesn't show me that I have graphic card.
[16:26] <penguin42> did you have an nvidia binary driver installed before?
[16:26] <Halamix2> yes
[16:27] <penguin42> I'd look at how to cleanly uninstall it, get stuff to work and then reinstall the driver
[16:27] <Halamix2> ok, I'll try that
[16:37] <Halamix2> Thank you, everything works fine :)
[16:38] <penguin42> great