[13:43] <Riddell> why might I have no option to add a PPA on this team? https://launchpad.net/~plasma-phone
[13:46] <Riddell> ah because I wasn't an admin
[13:46] <Mez> Riddell: I'd make a guess that you're not an administrator for that team. (as that's the only thing that seems different from your members)
[13:46] <Mez> Too quick for me :)


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[07:26] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, a sync was enough, the patch is now in Debian :) enjoy your thanksgiving!
[09:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted hart-software-services [source] (kinetic-proposed) [2022.10-0ubuntu1~22.10]
[09:40] <seb128> hey there, could someone give a retry to the lunar canary desktop livefs build? I opened the needed channel for the installer snap now
[09:50] <seb128> sil2100, hey, I think https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/debian-cd/+git/debian-cd/+merge/433505 should fix the amd64 desktop iso build with the new memtest86+
[09:51] <sil2100> seb128: hey! Thanks! Let me look at it once I'm done with the current meeting
[09:52] <seb128> sil2100, also I just asked before you join if someone could give a retry to the canary livefs build, it fails on missing channel for the installer snap which I fixed now
[09:53] <sil2100> seb128: I can do that too ;)
[09:53] <seb128> sil2100, thanks!
[09:54] <ricotz> hello, while looking at https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#libreoffice -- it seems libreffice/amd64 got flagged as allow to fail, please could someone revert that
[09:55] <ricotz> allowing this for s390x is fine, as seems to be done as well
[09:57] <seb128> ricotz, I don't think it was flagged to allow to fail on amd64, it's just that it got tried with a trigger on migration-reference/0 which also fails so it's considered as already failing in release pocket and such not a regression from the proposed update
[09:57] <seb128> and since it's not a regression it's not blocking it
[09:58] <ricotz> ah, I see, thanks
[09:59] <ricotz> hopefully the autopkgtests queues are getting processed and britney catches up with the current results :)
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[10:18] <seb128> ricotz, the release kpi show that the autopkgtest backlog is moving slowly at this point, unsure if that's expected or if there are some issues with the infra...
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[10:42] <ricotz> seb128, thanks, let's see how it goes then
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[11:09] <sil2100> seb128: merged and deployed!
[11:09] <seb128> sil2100, thanks!
[11:09] <sil2100> Thank you for the fix!
[11:10] <seb128> sil2100, can you retry the part of the pipeline post livefs build or do we need to kick a new build to see if the change is working?
[11:11] <sil2100> Let me check for some recent image that failed on this and I can try retrying it without the livefs bits
[11:11] <seb128> sil2100, https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/lunar/daily-live-20221123.log is one
[11:12] <seb128> sil2100, and https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/lunar/daily-canary-20221123.1.log
[11:13] <sil2100> ...canary it is!
[11:19] <seb128> :)
[11:33] <seb128> sil2100, worked!
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[12:44] <utkarsh2102> sil2100: hello! I replied to your comment at LP: #1996735. Can you please TAL and tell me if that's OK and alright to proceed?
[12:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1996735 in google-osconfig-agent (Ubuntu Kinetic) "Please update to upstream release 20220824.00" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1996735
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[12:45] <utkarsh2102> tl;dr: it's an update but in a way that downgrades something something, heh. :)
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[14:56] <lucasmoura> Hi @sil2100 @bdmurray can either of you help of us on the SRU review for ubuntu-advantage-tools 27.12 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1996424
[14:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1996424 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu Kinetic) "[SRU] ubuntu-advantage-tools (27.11.3 -> 27.12) Xenial, Bionic, Focal, Jammy, Kinetic" [Undecided, In Progress]
[14:56] <lucasmoura> @ahasenack has already sponsored the package
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[18:02] <sil2100> utkarsh2102, lucasmoura: hey! I'll look at those tomorrow on my SRU shift
[18:25] <lucasmoura> thanks sil2100
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[20:53] <teward> is there an issue with the autopkgtests?  I'm hearing they're backed up for an eternity - is this a case of insufficient infra, or...?
[21:06] <cjwatson> mostly arm64 and s390x, I think?  bos02 has had some trouble todayish and IS has been working through it
[21:07] <cjwatson> and a certain amount of queue on amd64 as well but nowhere near as bad
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[03:06] <jldugger-tablet> how's feisty looking atm? usable?
[03:06] <Burgundavia> jldugger-tablet: yes
[03:06] <jldugger-tablet> seems either the latest edgy kernel update or the alsa module upgrade screwed up audio recently
[03:06] <jldugger-tablet> err
[03:07] <jldugger-tablet> my alsa upgrade, not the upgrade
[03:07] <jldugger-tablet> trying to decide whether to upgrade or keep edgy and fix alsa
[03:07] <jldugger-tablet> more like "un fix"
[03:08] <jldugger-tablet> since the whole point was to get jack sense working and that appeared to have failed
[03:08] <jldugger-tablet> [17179585.560000]  snd_timer: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_register
[03:09] <jldugger-tablet> i tried apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic but it persists =/
[03:09] <jldugger-tablet> where does alsa hide?
[03:10] <jldugger-tablet> maybe i'll just upgrade and see if that samba + gstreamer thing is fixed
[03:18] <jldugger-tablet> Burgundavia, hmm. the #ubuntu+1 topic kinda indicates the opposite =/
[10:27] <Whoopie> Hi, anybody here who own a ThinkPad T43 or R52? We, some users from ##ibmthinkpad, are interested if we could enable AHCI mode with a modded BIOS. And perhaps, you have some experience.
[10:27] <mdke> I have a T43
[10:28] <mdke> a T43-1871, to be precise
[10:28] <mdke> no idea what you're talking about though, sadly
[10:29] <Whoopie> ah, nice. The T43/R52 has an ICH6M SATA controller. It supports AHCI mode or "compatibility mode". AHCI uses the ahci kernel module, the other one ata_piix.
[10:29] <mdke> right
[10:29] <Whoopie> for newer TPs like T60, it's possible to switch theses modes in BIOS. But not at the T43/R52.
[10:29] <mdke> not sure which is mine
[10:29] <mjg59> In theory, you can
[10:30] <mjg59> But there's no real reason to
[10:30] <Whoopie> no? I thought, AHCI has better power management.
[10:31] <mdke> my battery life is terrible these days. dunno if it has just got worse with Edgy, or if the battery is running out
[10:31] <mjg59> No, the available chip capabilities are pretty much identical
[10:31] <mjg59> mdke: Your machine is decently old by now?
[10:32] <mdke> mjg59: relatively yeah. is it a year and a half since I got it?
[10:32] <mdke> something like that
[10:32] <mdke> it's had good use as well
[10:32] <jldugger> mdke, at least on edgy, gnome's power time estimation doesn't seem very linear
[10:33] <jldugger> despite there being a VERY linear graph of charge vs time
[10:33] <mdke> ah. Well, tbh, with these gpm icons, I have never got a clue where my battery is at, until it's about to fail
[10:33] <Burgundavia> jldugger: that is likely due to ACPI reporting its charge left in a bogus manner
[10:33] <Burgundavia> mdke: you are not the only who finds the icon confusing
[10:33] <mdke> the question I'd ask is if there is someone who doesn't find em confusing
[10:34] <jldugger> i thought the bat stat monitor came with an optional time?
[10:34] <Burgundavia> bat stat !- gpm
[10:34] <jldugger> it would probably better though to have green till halfway, orange for under half till some critical battery
[10:35] <mdke> is a year and a half considered about time for the battery to start wearing out?
[10:35] <jldugger> mdke, how long is the battery lasting
[10:35] <jldugger> ?
[10:35] <mdke> about an hour, i guess. not really sure
[10:36] <Burgundavia> gpm can you tell total charge and reference charge
[10:36] <Burgundavia> or, at least, it could
[10:36] <mdke> oh wow, cool
[10:36] <mdke> I'll have to do some testing
[10:36] <Burgundavia> appears to have vanished in .17
[10:37] <jldugger> i vaguely recall there being a report of battery status uner "information"
[10:37] <jldugger> with things like total mAh or whatever the unit is
[10:37] <mdke> btw, mjg59, have you got a couple of minutes?
[10:38] <Burgundavia> yes, but that appears to have vanished
[10:39] <jldugger> maybe they decided ACPI was lying
[10:39] <jldugger> ;)
[10:39] <jldugger> in too many cases
[10:39] <Whoopie> mjg59: what's the benefit of AHCI then?
[10:40] <mjg59> Nothing terribly specific
[10:43] <Burgundavia> mdke: ah, right, left click on the battery icon and choose your battery
[10:43] <mdke> Burgundavia: nothing happens
[10:43] <Burgundavia> should get a notifcation icon with the information
[10:44] <mdke> no
[10:45] <mdke> right click, power history, looks interesting though
[10:46] <jldugger> Burgundavia, edgy or feisty?
[10:46] <Burgundavia> feisty
[10:46] <Burgundavia> left click
[10:46] <jldugger> im thinking he doesnt have feisty
[10:46] <jldugger> given that he complained about edgy in particular
[10:46] <Burgundavia> jldugger: his blog said he just upgraded
[10:47] <mdke> I get the battery if I left click, but selecting it does nothing
[10:47] <jldugger> ok then. /me notes to check planet more often in the future
[10:47] <mdke> another one not reading my blog
[10:47] <mdke> they are everywhere
[10:48] <Burgundavia> file a bug then
[10:48] <Burgundavia> it should be giving you a notification window
[10:48] <mdke> noted
[10:48] <mdke> brb


[02:21] <OvenWrks> teward: if that is the case... the installer needs to check and complain rather than quit
[02:27] <OvenWrks> well not actually quit, pretend it is continuing but doing nothing... even worse
[04:37] <OvenWrks> ubuntustudio does not require an efi partition :)
[04:39] <OvenWrks> but the installer does suggest going back and creating one
[04:50] <OvenWrks> snd-fireworks still fails to initialize.
[04:50] <OvenWrks> (20.04 is the last release with a snd-fireworks that works)
[05:12] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: can we add zita-njbridge to the seed?
[05:38] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: I can see the troubles with controls on 2110
[05:39] <OvenWrks> but works fine on 20.04 :P
[07:07] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: prolly will be a 2.1.66 tomorrow.
[07:15] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: do you think it is a good idea to seek OEM partnership for Ubuntu Studio? promoting as a production-ready audio/video OS that could come pre-installed. feel free to DM me if this is not the right place for the discussion.
[07:27] <OvenWrks> freenode?
[12:40] <Eickmeyer> OvenWrks: I was going to add zita-njbridge to recommends for controls, so that won't be an issue. As far as issues with 21.10 goes, I haven't noticed any (currently on impish).
[12:42] <Eickmeyer> MauroGaspari[m]: Considering I work for a Linux OEM and am fairly high-ranking, that's not an issue. It's very possible we'll do laptops with Studio pre-installed on them.
[12:42] <Eickmeyer>  That said, it's one of the reasons I'm considering changing away from Calamares and back to Ubiquity unless this new installer does what is advertised.
[12:46]  * Eickmeyer is up way early for no good reason
[12:49] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer cool. However, isn't canonical switching all the installers from ubiquity to.. err what was it called? Flutter based. Doesn't it make more sense to wait and switch to that one as well? Sorry, I am not entirely up to speed on the matter, so I am asking, not arguing. 😅
[12:50] <Eickmeyer> MauroGaspari[m]: That's exactly what I was referring to.
[12:57] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer got it, thanks. Do we have a name for new installer yet? Easier to reference to the specific item if it has a name 😅
[12:57] <Eickmeyer> I wish. :P
[13:04] <MauroGaspari[m]> Ah, ok. Fine. I pick a name: Flubutter (flutter ubuntu installer).
[13:04] <MauroGaspari[m]> And this is why I don't work in marketing 😆😆😆😆
[16:28] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: controls 2.1.66 needs packaging
[16:29] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: I will note that the current studio installer worked for me when kubuntu's did not
[16:34] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: In the case of both, if an efi partition is missing, some instruction on: what size it should be, and how to make one would be nice... something that in the manual partition does a "wrap this / partition in an efi" for example. None of the auto partition choices allow one to use an existing partiton (or at least are not labeled that way)
[16:34] <Eickmeyer> OvenWrks: That's not within the scope/ability of Calamares to do.
[16:34] <Eickmeyer> It should automatically configure it.
 and the EFI is a *separate* partition
 i don't know what your Cala is doing, but I know the Lubuntu Cala warns about the missing EFI partition
 it doesn't tell you what to set, etc. but it does warn about it
 and if you're doing manual partitioning, you should already know how to look up these things.
 "manual partitioning" is one of those cases where you should probably know what you're doing rather than blindly run into it
[16:36] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: I personally have a motherboard that will deal with either but it is easiest for me to not install it.
[16:36] <OvenWrks> teward: read the back scroll
[16:36] <Eickmeyer> If you're using manual partitioning, it is expected that you know what you're doing. That's not a "hold your hand" type situation.
[16:36] <OvenWrks> that may be, but none of the other options do a use this partition
 > ubuntustudio does not require an efi partition :)
 yes i read that
 however Cala isn't smart about that
 just saying
[16:37] <Eickmeyer> An EFI partition isn't required if you don't have an EFI system.
[16:37] <Eickmeyer> But, yes, Cala isn't smart about that.
 right, it's up to you whether you have to ignore the warning or not
 again, an 'expert functionality'
[16:38] <OvenWrks> teward: in the case where a person is not willing to give up a whole drive to an install, does not want to use up all the left over space but rather use an existing partition... they then have tpo be expert? Bad installer
[16:38] <Eickmeyer> It will automatically make an EFI partition if one is required.
 insert "manual partitioning is not for the weak-hearted" as a disclaimer on any installer
[16:39] <Eickmeyer> But only *if* the system is an EFI system.
 ^^
 there's a bug in core Ubuntu installer that even if it doesn't need the EFI the system will create the partition, not sure if it's fixed, I don't think Cala's any different.  As for 'use an existing partition', though, Cala and Installers are not smart enough to determine which system is which when you're doing manual partitioning
[16:40] <OvenWrks> teward: that part is understood, but using a pre-existing partition is not "expert" use and should be covered in an option.
 so if I go into the Subiquity server installer, the Ubuntu installer, KDE installer, Lubuntu installer, etc. it will still throw that warning
[16:40] <OvenWrks> Cala worked for me
 OvenWrks: Cala's not smart enough is what we're saying
 and I don't think there's a way to *make* it smart enough in those cases
 hence why the *warning* exists
[16:40] <OvenWrks> the kubuntu installer is worse
[16:41] <Eickmeyer> Kubuntu uses Ubiquity, which is what we used to use.
[16:41] <teward> which is what Core Ubuntu uses
[16:41] <teward> Ubuntu Server uses subiquity
[16:41] <OvenWrks> which is broken
[16:41] <Eickmeyer> Well, it is in the middle of a development cycle.
[16:42] <Eickmeyer> And is up for replacement anyhow.
[16:42] <Eickmeyer> Ubiquity is going the way of the dodo.
[16:43] <OvenWrks> There may be such a thing already, but a don't install grub to a boot sector would be nice too.
[16:44] <OvenWrks> generally, I have my daily use desktop which has installed grub, anything else is down the grub menu on that
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> EFI doesn't use the boot sector, but an entirely separate partition.
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> OvenWrks: The workaround for that is to run grub-install from the installation you want to manage grub.
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> Then, of course, update-grub to make sure you've got access to the other installation(s).
[16:59] <OvenWrks> That is what I do. I think an installer could do that for me though :)
[17:13] <Eickmeyer> No, that's beyond the scope and would require several chroots to do so.
[17:29] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: or a rework of grub... perhaps just a daunting
[17:29] <OvenWrks> *as
[17:46] <OvenWrks> Anyway, I got Studio 21.10 installed, found the bugs in controls that happen with no pre-existing config and fixed them. When it is packaged I can try it again. (the HDMI bug I mentioned is fixed)
[17:48] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: when do I have to have 2.2 tagged? anything from 2.1.66 to 2.2 should be bug fixes only.
[17:49] <Eickmeyer> OvenWrks: We're in Impish, so if it's bug fixes only, you're already set. FF wasn't until end of August.
[18:34] <Eickmeyer> OvenWrks: Something is wrong: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RMWWHjbYWN/
[18:34] <Eickmeyer> That's 2.1.66
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> OvenWrks: Downgraded to .65, no issues.
 .66 has an extra `)` on that line, easy code fix
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> @teward001 Exactly. I could even do it myself manually.
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> But, since it's a problem in OvenWrks's code, it needs to be fixed in the upstream.
 yep
[18:55] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: thank you.
[19:21] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: controls tag 2.1.67 I think I got all the spelling and puctuation fixed :P
[19:24]  * OvenWrks is working remotely
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> OvenWrks: Uploading now.
[19:53] <wonko> o/
[19:53] <Eickmeyer> o/
[19:53] <Eickmeyer> Welcome back!
[19:54] <wonko> It's good to be back, can't wait to move and get setup again
[19:54] <wonko> then I can start helping in earnest finally. :)
[19:57] <Eickmeyer> \o/
[20:26] <wonko> And maybe actually find time to work on some music as well finally. :)
[21:04] <Eickmeyer> OvenWrks: I don't know what it is, but I noticed this last time too: controls opens up about 7 qasmixers when I stop jack.
[21:06] <wonko> 21.04?
[21:06] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: which version? That should be fixed now 67
[21:06] <Eickmeyer> OvenWrks: Oh, that was 66. Haven't tried 67 yet.
[21:06] <wonko> How's 21.04 over all?
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> It's good, wonko! We're working on 21.10 now.
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> OvenWrks: Rather, 65.
[21:07] <wonko> US 21.04 is still X and not wayland, right?
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> wonko: For Studio, yes. For Ubuntu proper, it's wayland.
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> Switchable at login.
[21:07] <wonko> what was the reason for that?
[21:07] <wonko> something with wayland not playing nice with studio?
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> X11 is no longer developed.
[21:08] <wonko> I ran wayland years ago, I'm familiar with what it is. :-D
[21:08] <Eickmeyer> Oh, you mean the reason Studio stayed on X? Because Plasma is still best on X.
[21:08] <Eickmeyer> It's getting better with Wayland slowly. Still a few wrinkles, but it's not bad. I've played with it.
[21:08] <wonko> so basically studio will stay X until plasma is cool with wayland?
[21:08] <Eickmeyer> Pretty much. I think we're following Kubuntu's lead on this one.
[21:09] <wonko> It really doesn't matter to me honestly, whatever works. :)
[21:09] <wonko> We just need to see how long it takes me to hate Plasma. :-D
[21:10]  * OvenWrks has been good with Plasma so far
[21:10] <OvenWrks> (anything not to have to use gnome
[21:11] <wonko> I've been pretty much exclusively on Xfce ever since ditching SunOS/OpenLook :)
[21:13] <Eickmeyer> Well, not that you *have* to go Plasma, becuase you can always install Xubuntu and then ubuntustudio-installer. We're not just a distro, we're a toolkit.
[21:14] <wonko> Yeah, I get that
[21:14] <wonko> but I'm open to change if Plasma is better
[21:14] <wonko> if I can make it work the way I want that's all I really care about
[21:14] <Eickmeyer> Exactly.
[21:15] <wonko> and my requirements are pretty simple so it shouldn't be too hard. :)
[21:16] <wonko> And if notifications work better than on Xfce that would be a win. :)
[21:18] <wonko> Speaking of things I would want it to do... My next monitor will be a single large widescreen one as opposed to two 16:9 panels. Does Plasma (or any other X type thing) have something similar to the tools windows does for window layout on a large display?
[21:20] <wonko> Like, could I setup regions to snap to? Kinda like snap left/right but add a middle area and have three spots to snap to?
[21:20] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, that's a limitation of X in that it doesn't do that. Believe me, I've tried.  But, if it's a single large widescreen, it shouldn't be a problem because it'll be detected as 3840x1080 or whatever its native resolution is.
[21:21] <wonko> Yeah, I'm looking at 5120x1440 and it would be super dope to be able to have three "columns" for the windows to snap to. The one in the middle being the primary one (where I'll do most of my coding, etc) and the edges will be for chat/web/etc
[21:22] <Eickmeyer> Oh, divide it into 3rds. I see what you're saying.
[21:22] <wonko> yeah, the other option is something like awesome, but I'm not sure I want to deal with that. :)
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I don't know of a single DE that does that.
[21:23] <wonko> Yeah, the only think I know that does that is some third party tools for windows
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> Lemme see if someone made a Plasma or Kwin script that does that.
[21:23] <wonko> never having owned a single large monitor before it's not something I really needed to look into. :)
[21:25] <wonko> https://store.kde.org/p/1276605/
[21:25] <wonko> you pointed me in the correct direction for what to search. :)
[21:25] <Eickmeyer> Oh, perfect!
[21:25] <Eickmeyer> Means Plasma is the only DE I know of that does that. haha
[21:28] <wonko> looking at the kwin scripts there are some really useful looking things there
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> It's infinitely extensible.
[21:31] <wonko> Oh, before I forget, a guy I know mentioned this (19.04)
[21:31] <wonko> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Sa10pxbT/image.png
[21:31] <wonko> Don't know if this is anything that makes sense to you or not.
[21:32] <wonko> I can't say I've ever noticed that myself.
[21:52] <Eickmeyer> I never noticed that.
[22:24] <Eickmeyer> 19.04 is also long EOL, so the amount I care is nil.


[02:28] <BluesKaj> KDE 4.9 seems to holding up nicely on Kubuntu 12.10
[02:35] <Daskreech> Yep
[02:44] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Here too. Although I did get some odd dmesg : audit_printk_skb: 45 callbacks suppressed   and then stuff about cupsd apparmor
[02:44] <ScottK> genii-around: Please capture the details and file a bug.
[02:45] <genii-around> ScottK: OK. Any way to turn up the dmesg verbosity?
[02:45] <ScottK> No, but probably whatever you get is sufficient.
[02:46] <ScottK> If you can capture the info in a bug, I can get someone who understands apparmor stuff to look at it.
[02:49] <genii-around> ScottK: What package should I file against then, apparmor ?
[02:50] <ScottK> That's as good a place as any.
[02:50] <genii-around> OK
[02:51] <BluesKaj> genii-around:  ScottK , I didn't run dmesg , but I have tested most apps and they're performing fine
[02:52] <ScottK> Great.
[03:06] <genii-around> bug 1031583
[08:15] <jussi> o/
[08:15] <jussi> Morning all
[08:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: in some of the packages, the maintainer is George, how do you handle that?
[08:28] <shadeslayer> Code duplication .. everywhere
[08:40] <Riddell> who's all tested 4.9.0?
[08:42]  * shadeslayer is downloading it right now
[08:50] <shadeslayer> also, don't wait for me, It's going to take a while to download stuff
[08:58] <yofel> morning
[08:58] <yofel> Riddell: upgrade went fine and it seems to work fine here
[09:02] <Riddell> yofel: on 12.10?
[09:33] <shadeslayer> upgrade will take 5 hours :P
[09:33] <shadeslayer> "Need to get 1,212 MB/1,353 MB of archives."
[09:35] <Riddell> groovy 12.04 works as well from my ec2 testing
[09:35] <Riddell> time to upload I think
[09:38] <yofel> Riddell: 12.04 packages on 12.10 - I realized too late that the precise packages had a higher version as I have both releases in my sources here
[09:38] <yofel> and ~precise1~ppa1 >> ~ppa1
[09:39] <shadeslayer> heh
[09:40] <Riddell> the alphabet getting one over us there
[09:40]  * yofel tries to get himself used to always use ~ppa1~RELEASE or any upload he does
[09:40] <yofel> s/or/for/
[09:40] <kubotu> yofel meant: "tries to get himself used to always use ~ppa1~RELEASE for any upload he does"
[10:39]  * Riddell copies 4.9 to kubuntu-ppa/backports
[10:51] <apachelogger> yofel_, Riddell: FWIW I do believe it is sensible to add the series always
[10:51] <apachelogger> seems more consistent anyway
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: add to what?
[11:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: fix it somehow?
[11:46] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: will do
[11:46] <Quintasan> Maintainer business isn't really important in PPA but necessary for archive
[11:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/526502 here is the final scrip
[11:47] <Quintasan> t
[11:48] <shadeslayer> will fix later on
[11:48] <shadeslayer> working on something else atm
[11:49] <Quintasan> Sure, I think I uploaded everthing wrt to ktp
[11:49] <Quintasan> if not the please do so
[11:54] <yofel> Riddell: to the version, it would be consistent with what the lauchpad recipes do too
[12:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: the version
[12:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: so ~quantal in PPA?
[12:03] <apachelogger> ~quantal1~ppa1 ~precise1~ppa1
[12:03] <Riddell> seems a sensible idea
[12:03] <apachelogger> way more explicit
[13:18] <stefan`> hi guys - just updated to the new 4.9 release
[13:18] <stefan`> it seems the oxygen-style does not work anymore, though. widgets use CDE after startup and the style is not in the list of available styles. the package kde-style-oxygen is installed, though
[13:19] <stefan`> hope i'm not the 100th to report - i'm really sorry in that case
[13:20] <ScottK> Are you still sorry if it's 99?
[13:20] <ScottK> I don't recall hearing about it.  Does it happen with a new user?
[13:20] <stefan`> ScottK: I can try that - one sec
[13:25] <stefan`> ScottK: with a new user the style is there again
[13:26] <ScottK> So that means some existing configuration is now getting updated.
[13:26] <stefan`> ScottK: probably, i should remove all oxygen-related configs then
[13:26] <ScottK> I would move them aside, restart your session and then diff them with the autogenerated one to see if anything interesting shows up.
[13:31] <stefan`> weird... i backed up ".kde/share/config/oxygenrc", restarted the session, oxygen is still not available as a style but a new oxygenrc was created with an empty "diff" to my backup
[13:31] <Riddell> stefan`: this is in 12.10 or 12.04?
[13:32] <ScottK> So that's not the right file.
[13:32] <stefan`> 12.04
[13:32] <ScottK> \o_ - Someone who actually understands this stuff ...
[13:32] <stefan`> but a find reveals no other *oxygen* or *style* file in my home
[13:33] <Riddell> stefan`: installed from where?
[13:35] <stefan`> Riddell: 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu1~precise1~ppa2
[13:35] <stefan`> Riddell: Maintainer is "Kubuntu Developers"
[13:36] <Riddell> stefan`: from which PPA?
[13:36] <stefan`> Riddell: i'm embarrassed to ask ... but how do i find that out?
[13:37] <Riddell> stefan`: what did you add to sources.list ?
[13:38] <Riddell> stefan`: apt-cache policy ark  should say
[13:38] <stefan`> Riddell: uh - i found a problem (i think)
[13:38] <stefan`> kubuntu-ppa backports
[13:39] <agateau> the offending file could be in ~/.config (Trolltech.conf or a file in Trolltech/ for example)
[13:39] <stefan`> Riddell: if i do "dpkg -L kde-style-oxygen" it lists me liboxygenstyle.so.4.8.0
[13:40] <stefan`> Riddell: but apt-cache policy kde-style-oxygen says 4.9.0 is installed
[13:40] <stefan`> agateau: trying that right now
[13:41] <stefan`> wohoo: Trolltech.conf was the problem
[13:41] <stefan`> of course stupid me has no backup :(
[13:41] <stefan`> so i can't do a diff
[13:54] <debfx> tsdgeos: is set(GENERIC_LIB_VERSION "4.8.0") in kdelibs 4.9.0 on purpose?
[13:55] <tsdgeos> don't think so
[13:55] <tsdgeos> is it?
[13:55] <debfx> I would be surprised if it were on purpose
[13:57] <debfx> that is why oxygenstyle is installed as liboxygenstyle.so.4.8.0 in kde-workspace 4.9.0
[13:57] <tsdgeos> f**k
[14:15] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:21] <ScottK> tsdgeos: My last mail to -release was meant to  be a subtle reminder that kdelibs for 4.8.5 still needs respinning.
[14:21] <tsdgeos> ScottK: that's dirk's problem
[14:21] <tsdgeos> i don't play there
[14:21] <ScottK> OK.
[14:27] <tsdgeos> ScottK: i did mybest already that was getting vhanda to fix it
[14:29] <genii-around> Currently only plasma failsafe works for me . Also opening firefox -> instant death today. rekonq works though. Pastebin of .xsession-errors for a new user:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1123454/
[14:31] <jsubl2> t
[14:32] <ScottK> tsdgeos: I appreciate that.  It was a big help.
[14:33] <Riddell> genii-around: I'd need to know more about your setup to comment
[14:38] <genii-around> Riddell: What would be useful, I can pastebin anything you require
[14:38] <Riddell> genii-around: what version you're running, what you're installed recently, what plasma failsafe means, what happens for a new user..
[14:41] <genii-around> new user -> boots out back to kdm with the .xsession-errors file already pastebinned. I will gather more extensive info on the other items
[14:41] <stefan`> Riddell: probably plasma-failsafe means that the air-theme is not translucent anymore (it is grey here)
[15:00] <shadeslayer> FYI Registrations for UDS are now open ;)
[15:03] <tsdgeos> Copenhaguen
[15:15] <genii-around> URL obfuscated since it is a local box here: http://goo.gl/e2exu   ... contains more info about this box and it's setup
[15:16] <genii-around> Any other info can be provided if required
[15:17] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: yeah
[15:18] <tsdgeos> not bad
[15:18] <tsdgeos> hopefully i can be back at home for 31 evening/night
[16:12] <Riddell> hum, how many packages need rebuilt for the reversioned kdelibs
[16:12] <Riddell> /usr/lib/*4.8.0*  lots
[16:16] <kio_http> Hi, if you guys package KDE 4.9 final in the next week or two and I install those packages what will it do to a kde 4.9 that I installed from source. overwrite it witht he Kubuntuppa version?
[16:16] <debfx> not just rebuilds because "4.8.0" is hardcoded in some places
[16:18] <Riddell> kio_http: depends on where you installed it
[16:18] <shadeslayer> oh boy
[16:22] <yofel> fun release...
[18:39] <debfx> oxygen-cursor-theme-extra: now with 21 more colors
[18:40] <shadeslayer> hahah
[19:17] <shadeslayer> that was fun, atd hangs up on upgrade
[19:39] <genii-around> Removed all PPA except ninjas, back up into regular plasma again with my original .kde contents
[20:42] <shadeslayer> server upgrades are horrible horrible shit
[20:43] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: debian needs a safe upgrade that can roll back to the last state
[20:44] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: I've been trying to upgrade this server from 10.04 to 12.04 and it keeps getting stuck at unpacking/installing atd
[20:44] <Daskreech> Upgrade atd first?
[20:45] <shadeslayer> and I think I might have broken alot of other stuff in the process
[20:45] <shadeslayer> not sure
[20:45] <soee> hi, is someone woking on 4.9 backport for 12.04 ?
[20:45] <shadeslayer> soee: yeah, we have packages
[20:45] <shadeslayer> sekrit packages
[20:45] <soee> :)
[20:48] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1031856] I tried to install Skype, and now I can't delete it or install others packages. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1031856 (by Norbert Budzyński)
[20:51] <shadeslayer> interesting
[20:52] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: apt-get install at worked
[20:52] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: \o/
[20:53] <shadeslayer> invoke-rc.d: initscript bind9, action "start" failed.
[20:53] <shadeslayer> weird
[20:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: changed your server to ubuntu or is that another one?
[20:55] <shadeslayer> it's another one
[20:55] <yofel> try to start it manually and see what happens
[20:55] <shadeslayer> /etc/init.d/bind9 restart
[20:55] <shadeslayer>  * Stopping domain name service... bind9                                                                                WARNING: key file (/etc/bind/rndc.key) exists, but using default configuration file (/etc/bind/rndc.conf)
[20:55] <shadeslayer> rndc: connect failed: <IP_ADDRESS>#953: connection refused
[20:56] <shadeslayer> that's what happens ;)
[20:56] <yofel> o.O
[20:56] <yofel> throw it out if you don't need it
[20:56] <shadeslayer> ah well
[20:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: you did run that as root? (just asking the obvious)
[20:57] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:57] <shadeslayer> there's only one user on this server atm
[20:57] <shadeslayer> root
[20:57] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:57] <yofel> k
[20:57] <shadeslayer> insanely powerful server this is
[20:58] <shadeslayer> quadcore 2.80 GHz , 1 TB of HDD, 8 GB of RAM
[20:58] <yofel> :O
[20:59] <shadeslayer> yeah
[21:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: weird hosting provider though
[21:14] <shadeslayer> whew
[21:14] <shadeslayer> I *think* it's all good now
[21:17] <shadeslayer> for some definition of good
[21:19] <shadeslayer> anyone have experience setting up buildd's ?
[21:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no but is there a juju charm for that?
[22:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I just upgraded a server yesterday with no problem.  How are you doing it?


[00:36] <pedahzur> I was in here a few days ago, and had this question, but we were never able to arrive at a solution.  Asking again to see if anyone has any ideas.  I have a strange one here. I recently updated to Kubuntu 10.10, and then upgraded to KDE 4.5.4. My session can login fine, but another account on the computer cannot login (KDM boxes go grey). I've reset the password. /var/log/auth.log does *not* show an authentication failure (but does if
[00:36] <pedahzur> I intentionally put in the wrong password). Logging in as the user and issuing startx (without KDM running) works fine. Ideas?
[00:50] <pedahzur> Well, gotta run.
[00:50] <pedahzur> Because user switch doesn't work when using XDM.  Please send any ideas  to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Thanks!
[00:51] <barabbas> hi all....
[00:51] <barabbas> having a problem mounting my iphone in kubuntu
[00:52] <barabbas> can figure out which one of my '/dev'ices is my phone
[00:53] <d_ed> barabbas: plug it in, and type "dmesg" just after
[00:53] <d_ed> it'll be the latest entry
[00:57] <barabbas> it seems to only be mounting the camera..
[00:58] <barabbas> '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-5/1-5:1.0/input/input17' ??
[00:58] <James147> !iphone
[01:00] <barabbas> i've looked at these, and inconjuction with install libmobiledevive1, gtkpod, ifuse, etc, the next step is to add to the fstab?
[01:01] <barabbas> that's where i'm stuck...that line starts off like this for me "/dev/????? /media/iphone vfat" ?
[01:02] <barabbas> the phone doesn't seem to show any where in the filesystem like it is in gnome...
[01:02] <James147> barabbas: not sure if they can be mounted like that ^^ or even need to be, but then again I dont have one so I dont know... does the device notifier see it? or amarok?
[01:03] <barabbas> it does show up, and gives me camera (gwenview), and file system (dolphin) applications to open..
[01:04] <barabbas> hmm...not really attached to kde...i like some of the features, but doesn't seem to work quite as smoothly as gnome outthebox
[01:05] <James147> barabbas: then click on the dolphin one... it should mounted it for you and open dolphin
[01:07] <barabbas> it does but , only show me the camera portion of the filesystem..some say to use ifuse, but if i can't create a mount point for the device, that still leaves me stuck, as i unnerstand
[01:07] <barabbas> ?
[01:08] <James147> :( sorry i cant be more help, I tend to stay away from apple device to avoid problems like this :p
[01:09] <barabbas> no worries...appreciate the help...
[01:13] <barabbas> \
[01:17] <klaus_> Hi @all! I have really serious problems to get any linux running on a Medion Akoya P8610. It's really weird for me. Maybe it's an upstart-problem as I only tested k/ubuntu and opensuse. The system doesn't start after installation. It's complaining about a missing hdd by uuid. If I change it to /dev/sda1 in the Grub-Menu it will "boot" or something like that. After that all became really really weird. The system loads to some point and some
[01:17] <klaus_> times it fails and sometimes I get to the login-prompt. I logged in and asked myself why X isn't starting. After lsmod I saw no modules were loaded at all.(just ahci ) . While I was typing around and just >looking< for the nvidia drive kdm popped up and I were able to login. THe only thing working was the keyboard. After that I startet all services via konsole but the system isn't running really good. I can't use a lot of applications. I really
[01:17] <klaus_>  have no idea what is happening here. As a plus I can't reproduce every error because things crash and work at random. If anybody want/could help me it would be great. (I googled a little bit more and found a bugreport for this notebook, which is marked as solved for 10.10 and with some workarounds but nothing of that is working for me!) .uname -a: "Linux klaus-P8610 2.6.35-24-generic-pae #42-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 2 03:21:31 UTC 2010 i686
[01:17] <klaus_> GNU/Linux" dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549419/
[01:17] <FloodBotK1> klaus_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:21] <GC> join #opensim
[01:21] <GC> oh grr
[01:22] <klaus_> Hi all. I have serious problems with kubuntu and I think upstart. After "booting" only the ahci module is loaded(lsmod) and I can't do much. And as a plus grub wasn't configured functional with the live-cd installer.  some part of the problem is coverd with this "solved"(not for me) bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/430747 . I am running 10.10 and it's updated
[01:24] <klaus_> I have loaded all Modules by hand after I was finally able to get a login-prompt, but that doesn't helped much. My dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549419/
[01:45] <evalyn> hi
[01:46] <James147> Hello evalyn
[01:46] <evalyn> hi james
[01:46] <evalyn> i just installed 10.04 today
[01:46] <evalyn> wow lot to learn
[01:47] <evalyn> how do i save this so i can come back again???
[01:48] <James147> evalyn: save what? irc? ... not really something you need to save :)
[01:48] <evalyn> i never used irc before
[01:48] <evalyn> just a chat program then huh
[01:49] <James147> evalyn: I guess your using quassel (default client in kubuntu), it should be set up to auto connect to this channel when it starts
[01:49] <evalyn> ok thanks
[01:49] <evalyn> using konversation #kubuntu
[01:49] <evalyn> ok
[01:49] <evalyn> thanks for response
[01:55] <evalyn> i see i signed out and back into this
[02:05] <rtdos> i have a 2 part question: is there a basic interpreter (commnad line, like GWBASIC) for linux? how do i configure kate to compile java (javac) and C++ (gcc or bcc) source?
[02:09] <James147> rtdos: one of the plugins in kate lets you run make, enable it and write a simple Makefile to tell it what to do :)
[02:16] <NJL> what happened to the kopete systray icon as of 10.10??
[02:17] <NJL> and why do the desktop effects keep shutting off for no reason?
[02:17] <NJL> ugh :/
[02:18] <James147> NJL: Settings > Configure... > Behavious > "Show system tray icon"
[02:19] <NJL> thanks
[02:19] <James147> NJL: and you could try disabling the functionalty check in desktop effects
[02:20] <NJL> is that a bad idea?
[02:20] <NJL> it's always just worked before
[02:20] <NJL> now it just keeps getting suspended
[02:21] <James147> NJL: not sure why its doing that for you, its working fine here :S
[02:22] <NJL> weird
[02:22] <NJL> I updated to the latest nvidia driver and everything to make sure there wasn't something going on there
[02:22] <James147> NJL: you could try creating a new user and see if they ahve the same problem... it could be a bad config file
[02:23] <NJL> yeah maybe so
[02:23] <NJL> thanks for your help
[02:23] <NJL> I need food so I'm gonna run
[02:23] <NJL> have a good night
[02:23] <NJL> I appreciate it
[02:32] <rtdos> james, i think i have kate figured out (emphasize maybe) but is there a basic intepreter available for linux/*ubuntu?
[02:33] <James147> rtdos: sorry, dont know about a BASIC intepertor, never used one before :D
[02:35] <rtdos> ha!
[02:35] <valorie> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Programming/Interpreters/JBasic-32852.shtml
[02:35] <valorie> a quick google shows me....
[02:36] <valorie> and see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Programming
[02:36] <James147> bwbasic   - Bywater BASIC Interpreter    << aptitude search :D
[02:36] <Snowhog> rtdos: See http://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/basic.shtml  Vintage BASIC might suit you.
[02:37] <valorie> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword1&version=gutsy&release=all&keywords=basic&sourceid=mozilla-search
[02:37] <valorie> looks like there are lots of choices, actually
[02:41] <rtdos> thanks, snowhog, i also found bacon for bash :)
[03:00] <rtdos> are the standard xscreensavers compatible with kde / kubuntu ?
[03:01] <James147> kscreensaver-xsavers       - xscreensaver support for KDE   << I would think so if you have that installed :)
[03:03] <rtdos> i thought there were more xscreensavers, james? or am i wrong?
[03:05] <rtdos> nevermind, i see. :">
[03:07] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: ??
[03:11] <shane4ubuntu> anyone know about kubuntu-ppa/ppa ??  I added it and went to upgrade to kde 4.?.?  which were supposed to be bug fixes, and ended up with a real mess on my hands.
[03:30] <valorie> sounds bad, shane4ubuntu
[03:30] <valorie> you might want to write to the forum or list, if you get no answers here
[03:31] <valorie> and be sure to look at kubuntuforums too, which is a separate site
[03:31] <valorie> !forum
[03:31] <shane4ubuntu> valorie: it isn't that big of a deal, I moved back to gnome. :)  for the time being
[03:31] <valorie> ok
[03:31] <shane4ubuntu> thanks though
[03:31] <valorie> sounds rather serious though
[03:31] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: was helping earlier, but he isn't around now
[03:31] <valorie> and I'm sure the devels will want to know details
[03:32] <valorie> it's the end of holidays, so lots of people are in transit, etc.
[03:32] <shane4ubuntu> yep, bad problem, kdm can't be installed or removed not with apt-get or aptitude or synaptic, I even dpkg -i kdm package and it didn't work, I probably could have forced it so I could remove it, but well, probably monday
[03:33] <shane4ubuntu> thanks though.
[03:35] <valorie> icky
[03:35] <valorie> I hope it gets sorted for you
[03:55] <rtdos> james, i'm having problems using gcc (or bcc) to compile the following program - http://codepad.org/ZIT9DbnI - i get the following error / warning messages - http://pastebin.com/KTmWQAWf
[03:58] <GabrielYYZ> rtdos: did you get the necessary "-dev" libraries for C++?
[03:59] <rtdos> probably not. how do i get those?
[04:01] <GabrielYYZ> rtdos: wait, now i don't remember the exact name :S it is something with lib and -dev
[04:01] <rtdos> lol. ok. i'll see if i can goole 'em :)
[04:02] <James147> libc-dev... probally... install "build-essential" eitherway :)
[04:03] <James147> rtdos: weirdly gcc fails with fatal error: iostream: No such file or directory  for me, but g++ works
[04:04] <GabrielYYZ> gcc is the C compiler and g++ is the C++ compiler, if i'm not getting mixed up
[04:04] <James147> yup
[04:04] <GabrielYYZ> and i think "build-essential" is right, libc-dev are the C libraries
[04:05] <GabrielYYZ> i've been more into python lately, so memory fails for C++ stuff
[04:05] <rtdos> ahaoa, g++ thanks :)
[04:06] <rtdos> my next question.
[04:06] <rtdos> i created a directory 'projects' and g++ is returning a fatal error saying that it doesn't have write permissions what does that mean?
[04:07] <GabrielYYZ> is /projects in /home?
[04:08] <rtdos> yes, actually this is the error i'm getting - /usr/bin/ld: cannot open output file a.out: Permission denied
[04:09] <James147> rtdos: what premissions does the folder you are running g++ in have?
[04:09] <James147> (and who is it owned by)?
[04:09] <GabrielYYZ> i don't know what's ld :S but try doing "cd ~/projects" and then "./a.out" in terminal
[04:10] <GabrielYYZ> (and check the permissions as james suggested)
[04:10]  * James147 thingks ld is the linker
[04:10] <James147> GabrielYYZ: ^^ and it sounds like its failing to write a.out... so it shouldnt exist
[04:11] <James147> (or exists and isent writtable)
[04:11] <GabrielYYZ> ah yeah... lol
[04:11] <James147> ^^ did you run gcc or g++ as root at any point? if you did does a.out belong to root?
[04:12] <James147> (as a note to that^^ NEVER run them as root ;)  )
[04:13] <rtdos> no never ran it as root, tonight is the first time i've run it. how do i determine a folders permissions through the command line?
[04:13] <rtdos> i created the folder so shouldn't i own it?
[04:13] <James147> rtdos: ls -l   will list all files with their premissions
[04:13] <James147> ^^ thats a lie, it wont list hidden files :) but we dont care about them at this point
[04:13] <rtdos> sorry i was in msdos mode :">
[04:14] <James147> and yes, folders you create should be owned by you... but with a premission error its best to check :)
[04:14] <rtdos> drwxr-xr-x   2 jeff jeff  4096 2011-01-01 21:10 projects
[04:15] <James147> rtdos: and what premissions do the contents have?
[04:15] <James147> (^^ that looked fine btw)
[04:15] <rtdos> -rw-r--r-- 1 jeff jeff     123 2011-01-01 21:09 helloworld.cpp
[04:15] <rtdos> that's the file in question.
[04:16] <GabrielYYZ> that's good too
[04:16] <James147> rtdos: does a.out exist? if so what are its premissions?
[04:18] <rtdos> where would i find that file?
[04:18] <James147> rtdos: is it not in the current directoy?
[04:18] <rtdos> found it - -rwxr-xr-x 1 jeff jeff    8902 2011-01-01 21:15 a.out
[04:19] <James147> where was it located?
[04:19] <rtdos> in the same directory as helloworld.cpp
[04:19] <rtdos> is are the permissions of the ld file - lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2010-12-18 08:50 ld -> ld.bfd
[04:19] <GabrielYYZ> try doing "./a.out" from inside that directory
[04:19] <James147> huh...
[04:20] <rtdos> "./a.out" printed Hello World!
[04:21] <GabrielYYZ> there ya go, it compiled fine
[04:21] <James147> rtdos: then it compiled :)
[04:21] <GabrielYYZ> not all debug messages are important messages xD
[04:21] <rtdos> i can ignore the warning ?
[04:21] <James147> where did you run g++ from when you got that error? the projects file?
[04:21] <GabrielYYZ> my guess is yeah
[04:21] <rtdos> yes, i used quick compile from build menu item.
[04:22] <James147> ^^ and that error isent really ignorable... since its a major failure in creating the exec
[04:22] <James147> rtdos: try compiling again, does it do it agian?
[04:23] <rtdos> i get no messages (good, bad, or otherwise) when i run g++ in a terminal window
[04:23] <James147> good :)
[04:24] <GabrielYYZ> what i want to know is why ld was there (if that is, in fact, the linker)
[04:24] <GabrielYYZ> standard C++ libraries should be in PATH
[04:25] <GabrielYYZ> but, then again, there's a lot of C++ i don't really get
[04:25] <rtdos> how would i find out if my standard c++ libraries path is correct?\
[04:26] <rtdos> this is what path returns when i type the set command - (/usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /sbin /bin /usr/games)
[04:27] <GabrielYYZ> the fact that g++ compiled your .cpp file the 2nd time without errors is proof of that, as iostream is a standard C++ library
[04:27] <GabrielYYZ> or so i think :S
[04:27]  * James147 thourght it was a std c lib :S
[04:28] <GabrielYYZ> or that :S
[04:28] <James147> ... might be a c++ one... I dont know anymore :p
[04:28] <rtdos> what's the command to view g++ output after it's compiled?
[04:28] <rtdos> rather than just doing "./a.out" all the time?
[04:29] <GabrielYYZ> it is actually ./a.out
[04:29] <GabrielYYZ> every time you compile a .cpp file the resulting output is a.out and to run it, you use ./a.out
[04:30] <GabrielYYZ> James147: it's both :P checked wikipedia
[04:31] <James147> rtdos: you dont really want to view g++ output unelss theres and error... the file a.out is the compiled executable that you then run
[04:31] <GabrielYYZ> ah no, it's C++, stdio is C
[04:31] <James147> GabrielYYZ: yeah, thats what I am getting here :) stdio is c :)
[04:31] <James147> (btw, http://codepad.org/0yAMHtnH << a pure c version of the code)
[04:33] <James147> rtdos: also, you can use the -o flag on gcc or g++ to spicify the name of the executable: $ g++ -o hello helloworld.cpp
[04:33] <James147> rtdos: ^^ that should create a executable called hello rather then a.out (gcc's default name)
[04:35] <James147> rtdos: btw, have you ever programed in c or c++ before?
[04:35] <rosco_y> what are some good (gui) options for burning iso images of dvds?
[04:35] <James147> rosco_y: k3b
[04:35] <GabrielYYZ> k3b = good stuff
[04:35] <rtdos> yes. under windoze. ;-)
[04:35] <rtdos> used dev-cpp from bloodshed
[04:35] <rosco_y> James147: thank you--that's exactly what I was trying to remember :)
[04:36] <rtdos> ah, -o OK :)
[04:36] <GabrielYYZ> i was reading an ncurses tutorial yesterday... i kinda like the terminal ui xD
[04:37] <James147> rtdos: you might want to read up on how to create and use Makefile's, they are very very useful when programming :) (or for larger progects tools to creat makefiles, such as cmake)
[04:37] <rtdos> cmake? ok. will look that one up. :)
[04:38] <James147> rtdos: here a good basic tutorial for makefile:http://mrbook.org/tutorials/make/
[04:38] <rtdos> reading it now.
[04:44] <rtdos> james, ran the same helloworld under codelite (an ide) and it compiled and ran with no errors or warnings. now i wonder if its a setting in kate ?
[04:45] <James147> rtdos: what errors/warnings did you get with kate?
[04:45] <rtdos> i mean, i don't mind using g++ manually (or even code lite) but am dumbfounded why i can't get it to run under kate.
[04:45]  * James147 assumed it was working :S
[04:45] <GabrielYYZ> under kate's terminal plugin?
[04:48] <rtdos> noaXess, kate's build plug in
[04:50] <James147> rtdos: what error are you getting agian?
[04:52] <rtdos> james, /usr/bin/ld: cannot open output file a.out: Permission denied - sorry missed that one. :)
[04:52] <James147> rtdos: whats in the "quick compile" line of the build output settings in kate
[04:52] <James147> say ..
[04:53] <rtdos> g++ %f
[04:55] <James147> rtdos: try putting the path of the project in working path
[04:57] <rtdos> g++ \home\jeff\projects\%f ?
[04:57] <James147> rtdos: (or replace it with ls -l to see where its trying to compile :D )
[04:57] <James147> no
[04:57] <rtdos> / my first program in C++
[04:57] <James147> rtdos: ^^ try putting "ls -l" in the quick comile field (i just want to know where its pointing :)  )
[04:57] <rtdos> /bin/ls: cannot access -: No such file or directory
[04:57] <rtdos> /bin/ls: cannot access l: No such file or directory
[04:57] <rtdos> /bin/ls: cannot access %: No such file or directory
[04:58] <rtdos> /bin/ls: cannot access -: No such file or directory
[04:58] <rtdos> /bin/ls: cannot access l: No such file or directory
[04:58] <James147> :S
[04:59] <James147> rtdos: what with just "ls -l" (no quotes) in the quick compile field?
[05:01] <GabrielYYZ> rtdos:  in kate > configure kate > plugins, check to see if you have build, external tools and open header ticked
[05:01] <GabrielYYZ> and for the working path, point it to the directory where helloworld.cpp is
[05:01] <GabrielYYZ> leave the quickcompile as is
[05:02]  * James147 just wanted to know what directory it was trying to compile in ;)
[05:06] <James147> hmm, changing Working dir to /home/james/Temp and having "pwd" in my quick compile line outputs "/home/james" ... :S
[05:07] <James147> but when in the "build command" it points to /home/james/Temp :S
[05:08] <James147> rtdos: ^^ I highly suggest you igrnore the quick compile line, not sure where its trying to compile to :S
[05:08] <GabrielYYZ> the quick compile line is the command to compile (ie. g++ -0 hello)
[05:09] <James147> GabrielYYZ: yeah, but it is not obaying the working directory...
[05:10] <GabrielYYZ> i think it's because it's not bash, just the compiler with arguments
[05:10] <GabrielYYZ> i could be wrong though
[05:10] <James147> and I dont think its the main one to use... really you should be using the "Build command" field, prefebally as is (with make, then make a Makefile)
[05:11] <GabrielYYZ> for hello world examples and the like, a quick compile's fine imo
[05:11] <rtdos> a bash problem ?
[05:11] <rtdos> hold on, right now i'm using csh let me switch default shells.
[05:11] <James147> GabrielYYZ: are you sure, I can put any command in there any it executes sucesfully (ie "pwd"... and it outputs my home directory in the output field, not the working directory))
[05:12] <James147> GabrielYYZ: hoever, "pwd" in the "buld command" field outputs the working directory :S
[05:13] <Tr0074> I just installed kde can somebody please tell me how to remove gnome?
[05:13] <James147> !purekde
[05:13] <Tr0074> thanks
[05:16] <rtdos> GabrielYYZ, James147 - no errors that time when i made bash my default shell (was previously set to csh)
[05:16] <James147> rtdos: heh, musent like csh then :p
[05:16] <James147> rtdos: and reason you where using csh?
[05:17] <rtdos> learning some c shell scripting. :)
[05:18] <James147> rtdos: :) why not bash shell scripting? .. its a way more common shell
[05:18] <rtdos> true. but i want to learn as much as i can and not just the common stuff. :)
[05:19] <James147> rtdos: bah, most of the shell languages you can pickup quickly when you need to :)
[05:20] <rtdos> agreed. :)
[05:20] <James147> ^^ and if you want something to learn, then check out the vim editor :D
[05:21] <rtdos> gvim or vim ? love gvim. :)
[05:21] <James147> nah, raw vim is better :D
[05:22] <rtdos> better than original vi that's for sure ;-)
[05:22] <James147> (and since you already know vim, you might want to know kate have very basic vim style input if you enable it in the settings)
[05:22] <James147> rtdos: hell yeah :D
[05:22] <rtdos> good idea.
[05:26] <rtdos> dumb question, james but what is the difference between kate and kwrite? aren't they the same thing?
[05:28] <James147> rtdos: no and yes.. kate has more features, kwrite is a basic text editor (little more then the kpart it contains) where as kate uses the same kpart (as does kile and kdevelop btw :) ) but adds lots more functions on top
[05:28] <rtdos> ah, ok, like notepad and notepad2 in windoze :)
[05:29] <James147> rtdos: probally not... I bet they are completly seperate applicaitons :) where as kwrite and kate both use the same kpart
[05:29]  * James147 isent sure, but kwrite might be the kpart... but doupts it...
[05:31] <rtdos> yes separate applications but same purpose. :)
[05:31] <rtdos> but i see how kwrite and kate use the same 'engine' so to speak. makes sense imho
[05:31] <James147> rtdos: ... they arent entirly seperate, as they both share the same editor
[05:32] <rtdos> i mean notepad and notepad2
[05:32] <James147> and the "engine" is called a kpart :) part of kdes great plugin system,... you can write any program with the same editor that kate and kwrite use :) (such as kdevelop and kile)
[05:34] <rtdos> that's what i'm wanting to learn. are xfce, gnome, and other gui's the same way?
[05:35] <James147> (note also that konsole is also mostly a kpart (like kwrite is)... hence why kate has it inbuilt... :)
[05:36] <rtdos> i like how everthing is inter-connected in linux
[05:36] <James147> rtdos: they all vary... since they have all been built differently... gnome is built on raw c (which i presonally think is horiffic for a gui framework), but I dont really do any development in gnome so I cant really say what technologys they use
[05:37] <rtdos> what is kde built on?
[05:37] <rjwiii> In previous versions of KDE, I was able to set a differen wallpaper for each virtual desk top ... Can I still do that?
[05:37] <James147> rtdos: kde is build from the qt framework (which is writted in c++)
[05:37] <James147> rjwiii: yes
[05:38] <James147> rjwiii: (at least kde 4.5 and 4.6 let you :) )
[05:38] <rjwiii> I think I figgured it out ... hang on ...
[05:39] <James147> rjwiii: you might need to enable system settings > window behavoiur > virtual desktops > different widgets for each desktop
[05:39] <GabrielYYZ> gnome uses gtk2+
[05:39] <rjwiii> Nope .. changed 'em all ... where do I apply wallpapers for virtual desk tops?
[05:40] <rjwiii> aha ...
[05:40] <rtdos> so who uses qt?
[05:40] <James147> ^^ yeah, gnome is uses the gtk2+ framework, which is written in c
[05:40] <James147> rtdos: kde for one :) but allot of other things so, its a fairly popular framework
[05:40] <GabrielYYZ> kde uses qt
[05:41] <James147> rtdos: if i remember right, skype is a qt app
[05:41] <GabrielYYZ> yeah, qt is quite nice
[05:41] <James147> s/quite/very
[05:41] <GabrielYYZ> lol qt is qt nice xD
[05:42] <James147> http://qt.nokia.com/qt-in-use << more things that use qt :D
[05:42] <rtdos> ah, nokia also uses linux (or a form of linux) don't they?
[05:43] <rtdos> are there any other frameworks besides qt and gtk2+ that you know of?
[05:44] <James147> rtdos: many... :) java has swing (which I think is dreadfully designed)
[05:44] <rtdos> yea,i hate swing. it's one of the things i'm supposed to be learning in my java class :-)
[05:45]  * James147 notes that there is a kde/qt bindings for java :)
[05:45] <GabrielYYZ> there's ncurses too
[05:45] <James147> GabrielYYZ: :D
[05:45] <rtdos> unfortunately i won't be learning those java kde/qt bindings in this class :-\
[05:45] <dank> hola a todos
[05:45] <GabrielYYZ> i like ncurses xD it's so light and it looks decent
[05:45] <GabrielYYZ> hola
[05:46]  * James147 thinks we should move to #kubuntu-offtopic ... :)
[05:46] <rtdos> yea coming from ansi to ncurses wasn't as hard as i thought. :)
[05:46] <rtdos> lol. i'm about ready for bed. i actually stayed up later tonight than i did last night. ha! :)
[05:46] <dank> tengo un problema.. y quisiera pedir ayuda
[05:46] <dank> por aca
[05:46] <dank> me conecto por primera vez
[05:47] <dank> pido disculpas por entrar con dudas esta primera vez
[05:47] <dank> pero tengo ya algun tiempo con kubuntu y me salio un error en konsola que antes no habia mirado anrtes
[05:47] <rtdos> g'night all
[05:47] <James147> night rtdos
[05:47] <rtdos> thanks again for the help.
[05:48] <rtdos> i know i'll have more questions :-P
[05:48] <dank> esta es mi duda
[05:48] <dank> cuando intento editar algo desde konsola me sale esto
[05:48] <dank> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[05:48] <James147> !es
[05:48] <GabrielYYZ> dank mandame un mensaje privado, que aqui no hablan espanol
[05:48] <dank> y ya he comprobado que este instalado el Kate
[05:48] <dank> tambien he googleado pero nada
[05:49] <rjwiii> James147: got it ...
[05:50] <James147> :)
[05:50] <rjwiii> When ever I change desktop stuff for virtual desktops, KDE seems to crash ... or at least I get a black screen ...
[05:51] <GabrielYYZ> happens to me too, i just log out and back in
[05:51] <rjwiii> GabrielYYZ: KDE bug?
[05:52] <James147> rjwiii: plasma-desktop? if so alt+f2: "plasma-desktop"    should bring it back
[05:52] <James147> and what kde version?
[05:54] <rjwiii> James147: what ever comes with 10.10 ... yes, plasma desktop ... what is Plasma Desktop?
[05:54] <James147> rjwiii: plasma-desktop is you desktop ;) ... it handels the background, widgets the panel....
[05:55] <rjwiii> is there another option?
[05:55] <James147> (likes the fact that with krunner plasma-desktop is optional :D and kde is still very functional without is)
[05:55] <James147> rjwiii: option for what?
[05:56] <rjwiii> besides plasma desktop ... is it optimized for plasma monitors or something?
[05:56] <rjwiii> if so, I don't need it ... I have an LCD ...
[05:56] <GabrielYYZ> nah, it's just the name
[05:57] <James147> rjwiii: plasma is the name of the application, there are now three varients, plasma-desktop (designed for desktop) plasma-netbook (designed for smaller screens) and the new one - plasma-mobile (for mobile phones :D  )
[05:58] <rjwiii> aha ...
[06:00] <James147> rjwiii: as for the crashing... i suggest you try creating a new user and playing with them... see if it crashes on them like on your main account
[06:01] <James147> rjwiii: if it works as you think it should then you can try resetting plamsa's settings by renaming or deleting ~/.kde/share/config/plasm*  (backup any notes you have on the desktop first)
[06:02] <rjwiii> James147: well, once I logout and log back in, it's fine ...
[06:02] <James147> quite often kde application crashes/misbehaiour is the result of a bad config file
[06:02] <James147> :) rjwiii if it keeps crashing then i suggest trying a new user
[06:03] <rjwiii> so far so good for now ...
[07:25] <geekosopher> getting errors from kdemicroblog widget about invalid cert from identica, and similar compalaints from kopete for gmail. How do I resolve them? using kubuntu maverick
[07:28] <GabrielYYZ> remove the microblog widget in ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-[desktop|netbook]-appletsrc
[07:28] <GabrielYYZ> someone else had that problem in #kde
[07:29] <GabrielYYZ> the kopete one, i don't know
[07:30] <geekosopher> is it something to do with updating the certificates... ?
[07:30] <GabrielYYZ> don't know really, i don't use kopete or KDEuBlog
[07:31] <GabrielYYZ> i mentioned that fix 'cause someone used that earlier after asking in #kde
[07:31] <GabrielYYZ> if you do use them, ask directly in #kde to see if anyone knows a better solution
[09:39] <jister> whats going on/
[09:40] <jister> anyone on here?
[10:53] <omkar> I wanted to know is there anything similar to rpm -qa for debian
[10:54] <omkar> can any please help me
[10:54] <omkar> can any1 please help me
[10:54] <valorie> what does rpm -qu do, omkar?
[10:55] <arunce> dpkg -l
[10:55] <omkar> qa
[10:55] <omkar> cool
[10:55] <omkar> @valorie it just searches for the package
[10:55] <valorie> ah
[10:55] <arunce> dpkq -l | grep <search>
[10:57] <arunce> dpkg gives you all instaled packages, if you want to search anything else: apt-cache search <string>
[10:58] <omkar> also I am facing some issues with python & apache
[10:59] <omkar> can anyone pls point me to a channel where i can find help,I searched this on google but the channel doesn'thave  many guys there
[11:01] <valorie> omkar, if do the command /list python
[11:01] <valorie> you'll find a large list of python chans
[11:01] <valorie> same for apache, although fewer channels of course
[11:01] <omkar> thanks
[11:08] <cer_> hey
[11:14] <luis_> hello good morning everyone i like to ask your help i can't watch youtube videos on firefox can somebody help me please???
[11:15] <valorie> what happens ?
[11:15] <luis_> nothing just can't see them they just appera like they are going to play but the space where the vid suppose to play stays in blank
[11:16] <luis_> ooh
[11:17] <luis_> another thing i do hear the music but i can't see the vid
[11:17] <valorie> sounds like you have some flash problems
[11:17] <luis_> how do i fix it?
[11:17] <valorie> which flash plugin do you have installed?
[11:17] <valorie> the free, or non-free?
[11:18] <luis_> the one in the repositories guess is 10 something
[11:18] <luis_> let me check
[11:21] <luis_> is adobe flashplugin 10.1
[11:21] <luis_> that's the one i have installed
[11:21] <valorie> interesting
[11:22] <luis_> so what do i do ? should i uninstall it along with kubuntu-restricted-extras or what?
[11:22] <valorie> same one I have
[11:22] <valorie> kubuntu-restricted-extras is your codecs and such
[11:24] <luis_> well i did installe it beause of java cause when i was looking at the wiki it says that in order for me to see webpages i need to have java and flashplayer installed so i found that java comes with kubuntu-restricted-extras and flash has to be also installed so i did
[11:25] <luis_> let me uninstall it and see if that works
[11:25] <luis_> let you know in awhile
[11:26] <valorie> I guess I would try the same video in another browser
[11:26] <valorie> and see if it's a FF problem, or what
[11:26] <valorie> sorry, had to help my old doggie
[11:45] <skafti> is someone here that knows what program is the best to convert avi files for psp
[11:46] <zmitya> hi gents
[11:46] <Nataniel> Hi
[11:46] <zmitya> I have a fresh 10.10 kubuntu
[11:46] <zmitya> how do I disable that stupid "auto dhcp" connection in the network-manager ?
[11:47] <zmitya> I need fix IP because of soma port forwarding, but it always gets IP from the dhcp :(
[11:47] <Nataniel> me too, and I have to say it is more user friendly than the old one, or maybe I am more linuks fiendly now than than? ;p
[11:47] <zmitya> *some
[11:48] <zmitya> Nataniel: this is for me ? :)
[11:49] <kuttans> Hello everybody
[11:49] <zmitya> hi
[11:49] <Nataniel> zmitya just saying about ne 10.10 ;p
[11:49] <kuttans> Hoping to get some help to resolve 3g mobile modem
[11:49] <zmitya> Nataniel: oh, ok ;)
[11:50] <kuttans> samsung corby pro when connected, initially it shows as USB image interface, and after sometime the modem used to show in the Kneworkmanager
[11:50] <kuttans> but now its getting very intermittant....
[11:52] <kuttans> out of 242 users no one experienced this kind of problem??
[11:52] <kuttans> can anyone tell me the irc for ubuntu, i will try over there
[11:52] <zmitya> kuttans: try #ubuntu
[11:53] <Nataniel> interesting thing is that it's the first time when fresh Linux didn't tould me that there are some additional graphic drivers that I can download, and I can't find in this new 10.10 any place to check this out
[11:54] <zmitya> Nataniel: are you using nvidia ?
[11:54] <yofel> Nataniel: yeah, saw this too when I installed maverick, search for hardware drivers, or press alt+f2 and run jockey-kde
[11:54] <Nataniel> zmitya ATI Radeon
[11:55] <yofel> oh, *which* ati card?
[11:55] <yofel> 'lspci | grep VGA' in konsole will tell
[11:55] <Nataniel> yofel thx, dunno why did they hid it like that O.o
[11:56] <Nataniel> Radeon HD 4870
[11:57] <Nataniel> althought I have to say it's working really well even without any driver, but it could say that there are some avalible like in previious versions anyway...
[11:57] <zmitya> Nataniel: for nvidia, KMenu / Apps / System / Additional drivers installs the proprietary driver for nvidia cards. I'm not sure if this is the case for ati cards
[11:57] <yofel> zmitya: it's the same, just hard to find...
[11:58] <yofel> it used to pop up by itself, dunno why it doesn't anymore
[11:58] <Nataniel> yeah, that was better for newbie, I know what I say in that matter ;-)
[11:58] <kuttans> anyone using mobile phone as a 3g usb modem >>
[11:59] <yofel> kuttans: me, connected over usb and using wvdial, proved more stable than the NM plasmoid for me
[12:03] <Nataniel> g2r, thx for all help :)
[12:03] <kuttans> yofel but even that also not working at times
[12:04] <kuttans> the wvdialconf is telling that ttyACM1 is having a modem but failing to query it
[12:04] <kuttans> saying that the device may be busy
[12:05] <yofel> hm, I only use it when I'm not at home but it usually works (I looked up the device name in dmesg though) - try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners
[12:06] <kuttans> yeah im doing it but no one seems to had any problem like that
[12:09] <kuttans> how to modprobe a 3g gsm modem
[12:23] <Nataniel> ok, that's weird
[12:26] <Nataniel> with this proprietary driver it offers me game looks to work a bit (not sure if at all) smoother, but without it KDE windows are moving a bit smoother. Anyway, I'm not sure if there's any difference at all, and if there is it's not big. Weird, maybe that's why proprietary drivers are now hidden in this new 10.10
[12:38] <Nataniel> anybody knows if i can count on some else drivers than thous Kubuntu shows me?
[13:05] <lieuwe> i accidentally removed my sound device from my system settings, and now my sound doesnt work, how do i fix this?
[13:52] <lieuwe> i accidentally removed my sound device from my system settings, and now my sound doesnt work, how do i fix this?
[13:56] <lieuwe> anyone?
[13:57] <Tm_T> lieuwe: unfortunately I have no idea, try #kde if there someone knows
[14:12] <kleopatra> Hi i am running  atest-ubuntu in virtual box. despite the installation of the guest additons i cant set any higher resolution than 800*600. What can i do?
[14:25] <arunce> kleoptra: did u install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11??
[14:39] <kleopatra> arunce: thanks... by now i never had to install more than devices/guestadditions but with ur tip it worls fine now
[14:40] <arunce> :)
[14:48] <rjwiii> No transparancy in Kubuntu?
[14:48] <rjwiii> bah humbug!
[15:15] <sourcemaker> Are there known problems with gpg and kde 4.6rc1? I can't sign/encrypt mails...
[15:16] <sourcemaker> error message: wrong phassphrase
[15:17] <rork> rjwiii: kubuntu >10.04 does support transparancy, see System Settings > Desktop > Advanced Effects > Translucency
[15:57] <vivien_> bonsoir
[16:19] <emir> takarım
[16:42] <slavontbk> s
[16:44] <rork> slavontbk: t
[17:05] <Nataniel> anybody know if there's a widget similar to windows 7 task bar? cause it was damn usefull
[17:12] <slhk> Nataniel: do you mean where task are grouped by application? There is an option in task manager settings for that
[17:14] <Nataniel> Still not that, but it's lot better now, thx
[17:15] <Nataniel> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/PeachyDock?content=78494 that'd be better, thought I'm not sure if I can handle installing it cause it's not final yet afaik
[17:16] <Nataniel> anyway, I see that many people like the idea and they're working on it https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179430 :D
[17:19] <slhk> you may find more by looking for "mac os like" task bars
[17:19] <Nataniel> ok, I will, thx
[17:21] <slhk> when you do "add widgets" you get a "get new widgets" button, by clicking on it you can choose "download new plasma widgets", that makes it really easy to install new ones
[17:25] <Squidy> in gnome ive manages to hide all kde programs in my aplications tabs etc, is there any way to hide the native gnome pragrams in KDE?
[17:34] <Nataniel> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Smooth+Tasks?content=101586 that looks good, but add widgets>download can't find it ;/
[17:35] <yofel> !info plasma-widget-smooth-tasks
[17:35] <yofel> Nataniel: ^
[17:37] <Nataniel> Sorry, but I don't get... If it is plasma widget than why it don't find it?
[17:38] <yofel> Nataniel: not sure, maybe it's not at the right place, just install the package from kpackagekit
[17:45] <Nataniel> there was some install instruction inside, but i got problem anyway
[17:46] <arunce> anyone knows where is the config of firefox shortcut keys?
[17:48] <rtdos> where can i find a list of all shells that are available through syanptic (or kpackage) package manager?
[17:48] <phoenix_firebrd> how to check if vdpau is working properly
[17:49] <yofel> arunce: afaik you can't configure keyboard shortcuts in firefox
[17:49] <arunce> yofel: hmm... can I remove them?
[17:50] <Nataniel> http://pastebin.com/D2KfKA86 anybody can help? included instalation instruction, error and when it shows up
[17:50] <yofel> arunce: at least it says so on http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/keyboard%20shortcuts - no, doesn't seem possible either
[17:50] <yofel> Nataniel: why are you building your own widget?
[17:50] <arunce> yofel: i'm getting double backs and double forwards. I suspect that is alt+left and XF86Back together
[17:51] <Nataniel> cause there was no build, just source and instruction
[17:51] <arunce> or alt+right and XF86Forward...
[17:51] <yofel> arunce: seems to work fine here (FF4)
[17:51] <rtdos> how do i find out which shells are installed on my system?
[17:52] <yofel> Nataniel: install the plasma-widget-smooth-tasks package, and possible restart plasma (or just logout)
[17:52] <yofel> Nataniel: but if you really want to build it yourself it seems you don't have kdelibs5-dev installed
[17:53] <arunce> yofel: my mouse have back and forward.. and i assigned alt+left and alt+right to this buttons, it works great with other apps, but in firefox i'm getting it on doubles, i think.
[17:55] <arunce> xmodmap didn't help, or I'm getting it wrong.
[17:55] <yofel> I fear I'm out of ideas then :/
[17:57] <ivanleonardo> ciao
[17:57] <ivanleonardo> !lista
[17:57] <arunce> thank you
[17:58] <rtdos> how do i create an empty file?
[17:58] <rtdos> through the command line?
[17:58] <arunce> touch filename
[17:58] <rtdos> that's it?
[17:58] <arunce> yeah...
[17:59] <rtdos> thx (thought it was more complicated) :)
[17:59] <Nataniel> yofel but debian link expired, and even thought i've added ubuntu repository he sais about I still can't download it bt apt-get install
[18:00] <Nataniel> so it probably expired too
[18:00] <yofel> Nataniel: what exactly did you try to do? from the message ubottu printed you can see that the package *is* there
[18:01] <Serraphyn> If you change your keyboard model do you need to restart?
[18:01] <yofel> don't think so, the keyboard layout switcher needs to work without a restart after all
[18:01] <arunce> Nataniel: did u run 'apt-get update' before 'apt-get install plasma-widget-smooth-tasks'
[18:02] <Nataniel> yofel http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Smooth+Tasks?content=101586 under the post I can only see two types od source (?) and there are some links to packages in that post but they all looks expired
[18:02] <yofel> Nataniel: why are you even trying those? we have the widget in the ubuntu archive!
[18:03] <Serraphyn> yofel, this is odd, it wont see my up and down arrow keys
[18:03] <yofel> that's odd indeed then...
[18:04] <arunce> restart your X. if u have a dock station, maybe u should configure both keyboards in xorg.conf
[18:04] <Nataniel> yofel I looked for it in  "add widgets" > "get new widgets" > "download new plasma widgets" and it wasn't there
[18:05] <yofel> Nataniel: go to system settings -> software management and look there
[18:05] <Serraphyn> its not a laptop its a desktop with wifi keyboard that works fine in standard ubuntu
[18:06] <yofel> the download button is from KDE itself and the author doesn't seem to provide any binaries for the widget. And the download search doesn't support searching our repositories
[18:14] <rtdos> how do i install this http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/shells/esh/ ?
[18:15] <rtdos> is it available in the repositories?
[18:18] <yofel> rtdos: I fear not, feel free to file a packaging request
[18:18] <rtdos> through ubuntu.org  ?
[18:19] <yofel> rtdos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[18:20] <Nataniel> yofel Ok, I've found it, thx
[18:21] <rtdos> thanks yofel
[18:21] <yofel> Nataniel: np, can be confusing if you're new
[18:24] <Nataniel> Btw, anybody have f.lux working properly? Because I do what they say, it's installing correctly, but doesn't work, just trying to start, wheel is wheeling and than deisappear... http://www.stereopsis.com/flux/linux.html
[18:34] <rtdos> how do i install lamp? (or better, how do i log-in to mysql?)
[18:37] <markit> hi, how can I set things as microblog does not start for new users?
[18:45] <scnd101> any kubuntu devs on here?
[18:51] <yofel> scnd101: some are here, you'll find more in #kubuntu-devel -- what's the problem?
[18:51] <jakub> cawte, ako mam nastavit automaticke rozlisenie monitora?
[18:52] <yofel> rtdos: 'mysql --user root --password' and use the password you set when installing sql
[18:54] <scnd101> yofel: not a problem, just wondering if there's any interest in using a port of ambiance instead of air :)
[18:54] <yofel> ah, feel free to ask in #kubuntu-devel
[18:54] <scnd101> I will, thanks
[18:58] <rtdos> i didn't install it,though and if i did (i don't remember) i wasn't prompted for a username or password
[19:00] <yofel> then you probably didn't install it
[19:01] <yofel> at least not on a system service basis
[19:01] <rtdos> then how do install it (or re-install it) ?
[19:01] <usaki> hi, i just installed kubuntu 10.10, everything seems to work fine except my mouse that freezes once in a while and needs to be restarted. Is it possible to change device drivers for the mouse?
[19:03] <yofel> rtdos: try installing 'mysql-server'
[19:04] <rtdos> thanks, yofel. my webhost uses mysql and i would like to run some test scripts locally before i upload them, is there a gui you recommend for mysql?
[19:05] <yofel> don't know one I fear, I only used mysql to test things once too, kept to the command line though
[19:07] <rtdos> probably a good idea. i see there are quite a few in kpackagekit, though. i might have to see if one can connect both locally to the mysql installed on my machine as well as my webhost.
[19:43] <Nataniel> even with additional drivers the only refreshing option I can see in options is 60Hz O.o
[19:46] <yofel> Nataniel: all LCD displays work at 60Hz afaik (if it's a CRT that's weird)
[19:49] <Nataniel> yofel srsly? D: lol we're haeding backward in evolution, even technology -.-
[19:50] <yofel> well, afiak the concept of screen refresh rates doesn't make much sense for LCD technology, but I could be completely wrong ^^
[19:54] <Nataniel> maybe, I'd better get f.lux finally working for my eyes ^^
[19:55] <sheyton> Nataniel: an LCD updated each pixel as needed it doesn't need to do a phospor wash to get an update. Other than some edge cases where a full screen refresh matters a frequency of updating is a foriegn concept for a LCD world
[19:56] <Roey> hey Daskreech
[19:56] <Daskreech> Hi Roey
[19:56] <Daskreech> how areyou?
[19:57] <Roey> oh pretty good, and you?  Curious seeing you here in #kubuntu!
[19:57] <Nataniel> sheyton Thank you, I didn't know about it
[19:58] <Daskreech> Roey: How curious? :)
[19:58] <Daskreech> Nataniel: sure no problem
[19:58] <Roey> well because I didn't know you're a Kubuntu user
[20:04] <Daskreech> Roey: I'm not :)
[20:06] <Roey> aaah
[20:10] <Daskreech> I just like hanging out here cause people are really nice and it's a first interface people have with KDE
[20:10] <Daskreech> well lots of folks
[20:23] <rtdos> how do i install the linux line mode browser ?
[20:27] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: you around?  I'm back into kde
[20:29] <yofel> so, what happened? ^^
[20:30] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: it seems 100% surrounded by kdm, and I disabled the ppa
[20:30] <shane4ubuntu> I couldn't remove kdm or install kdm
[20:30] <yofel> :/
[20:30] <shane4ubuntu> I had to create a bogus file in /etc/init/kdm.conf  and then remove kdm
[20:31] <shane4ubuntu> afterwards for kicks I added the ppa and tried upgrading again, it started down the same road.
[20:31] <shane4ubuntu> no ppa for me. :)
[20:31] <Snowhog> INFO snowhog
[20:31] <shane4ubuntu> I completely removed every kde package and everything, then finally figured out the kdm prob, then re-installed kubuntu-desktop
[20:34] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: wouldn't some of those updates be in backports?
[20:36] <yofel> which updates?
[20:37] <shane4ubuntu> oh, the updates in kde stuff from 4.5.1 to 4.5.4?  something to that effect
[20:52] <HmpfCBR_> Hi, after an update to KDE 4.6 rc KDM is not starting ssh-agent and gpg-agent anymore. Anyone else came across this?
[21:03] <zmitya> hi all
[21:04] <zmitya> guys, I want fix IP, but after a while, networkmanager or something else always changes back to dhcp for some reason
[21:04] <zmitya> what is the official way to set up fix ip ????
[21:09] <rtdos> how do i install the linux line mode browser ?
[21:09] <Snowhog> rtdos: A 'text only' browser??
[21:10] <rtdos> i thought linux had one that wasn't neither links or lynx ?
[21:10] <shane4ubuntu> does anyone know of a way to edit a pdf file?  very minor smalll edit??
[21:10] <shane4ubuntu> I was thinking there was an app, but can't remember for the life of me.
[21:11] <Snowhog> shane4ubuntu: See pdfedit
[21:11] <rork> rtdos: there's elinks
[21:11] <GWild> hello
[21:11] <shane4ubuntu> thanks snowhog
[21:11] <GWild> is there a way to tell the system not to auto mount a specific USB device when plugged in?
[21:12] <Snowhog> GWild: What version of Kubuntu and KDE are you using?
[21:12] <GWild> duh - sorry.   Kub 10.04 Lucid AMD 64
[21:13] <Snowhog> GWild: In 10.10, KDE 4.5.4, it's in System Settings > Removable Devices
[21:14] <rtdos> ok, thanks rork.
[21:15] <GWild> Snowhog: Thx - in my version it appears that I can include, but not exclude.
[21:16] <GWild> I'll mess around with it more
[21:16] <rtdos> i'm trying to create a terminal profile of 'bash' to launch 'fish' and keep me in 'fish' until i exit 'fish' but i get this error: Warning: Could not find '/bin/fish', starting '/bin/bash' instead.  Please check your profile settings.
[21:20] <zmitya> hi gents.
[21:20] <zmitya> why my IP "falls back" to DHCP all the time, however I do have set up my fix IP in network manager ?
[21:30] <rtdos> what other limited shells are there besides lshell ?
[21:49] <rtdos> what other limited shells are there besides lshell ?
[22:19] <ansong> i'm having some trouble with web browsers after upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10.
[22:20] <ansong> so far on chromium, konqueror and firefox
[22:20] <James147> !details | ansong
[22:20] <ansong> when i'm on a page with lots of text, such as a reddit page with a lot of comments,
[22:20] <ansong> sorry, working on details while kids climbing on me
[22:20] <James147> ansong: :)
[22:21] <ansong> anyway, say i'm scrolling down the page and that there's a link in the text,
[22:22] <ansong> i'll mouse over to where the link appears but the text is appearing in the wrong place
[22:22] <ansong> usually it is one scroll "element" away, like three lines above where it appears
[22:23] <scnd101> screenshot?
[22:23] <ansong> i'm trying to come up with one
[22:23] <scnd101> ok :)
[22:40] <ansong> when i switch focus it fixes it! pressing print screen fixes things when the screen cap window  appears
[22:41] <ansong> and the resulting image capture doesn't have the error either. this is frustrating but at least i know i can alt-tab twice to fix things
[22:43]  * James147 suggest trying to create a new user and seeing if it works as it should for them
[22:43] <ansong> good call. i'll try that as well
[22:44] <ansong> thanks
[22:44] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[23:10] <rtdos> how do i turn off wordwrap in kate ?
[23:12] <rork> rtdos: view > dynamic wordwrap, or F10
[23:13] <rork> There's also an option in Settings > Configure Kate > Editing
[23:13] <rtdos> thanks.
[23:26] <Snowhog> rtdos: In nearly every application, click on Settings > Configure ... and look through the options available.
[23:27] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[23:41] <X9nLinuxL> which version of flashplayer do I need to use on a G4 Mac?
[23:45] <|z00m|> any idea why ive got these ports open on a fresh install: 631/tcp   open  ipp
[23:45] <|z00m|> 61980/tcp open  unknown
[23:46] <|z00m|> 61980/tcp whats that ?
[23:48] <frogonwheels> 631.. sounds like cups iirc
[23:49] <frogonwheels> |z00m|:  ^^^
[23:49] <|z00m|> whats 61980
[23:51] <frogonwheels> |z00m|: from a quick google.. it could be Azureus??  look at lsof
[23:51] <X9nLinuxL> Which version of flashplayer do I need to use on a G4 Mac?  (Using 8.04 iirc)
[23:52] <|z00m|> wish8.5   11274        dan    6u     IPv4      40001       0t0      TCP *:61980
[23:54] <|z00m|> There are many references to wish8.5 and amsn (which I have running so that’s probably why)
[23:54] <frogonwheels> |z00m|:  so it's a wish script - look at the cli.   cat /proc/11274/cmdline | tr "\0" "\n"
[23:54] <|z00m|> wish8.5
[23:54] <|z00m|> /usr/bin/amsn
[23:55] <frogonwheels> :) well there it is ..
[23:55] <|z00m|> thanks frogonwheels
[23:55] <frogonwheels> np
[23:58] <Snowhog> |z00m|: You installed amsn - A very nice MSN compatible messenger application. Works pretty much like its Windows based counterpart. Perfect for keeping in touch with those friends who have not yet seen the light. - after installation, yes?
[23:59] <|z00m|> yea


[18:42] <fredito> hi, i used the command /away, how can i retun to 'not away'?, sorry my english xD
[18:43] <Flannel> fredito: "/away"
[18:43] <m4v> fredito: /away again
[18:43] <m4v> or some clients habe /back
[18:43] <m4v> have*
[18:43] <fredito> grascias m4v
[18:45] <fredito>  '/back' work
[18:45] <fredito> ty Flannel
[18:48] <fredito> bye..


[09:50] <maze88> hello, anyone here have experience with ubuntu in hebrew? considering setting it up for my father... are there any language issues or is it smooth enough compared to windows?