[12:56] <nate> that's to fix the 'gpilotd crashes when syncing to the backup conduit' bug
[12:56] <smeggy> Cool thanks
[12:56] <nate> which is an issue in pilot-xfer that has been known for ages
[12:57] <hazmat> hmm.. okay.. this is more hid stuff like plugging in keyboard/mice vs. mass storage
[12:57] <nate> the answer is to exclude the jpeg libraries, but it's not documented how to set the exclude file list in gpilotd
[12:57] <nate> this is one of those 'really needs to be in a first-time user HOWTO' issues
[12:57] <nate> oh, also I manually did a modprobe visor before syncing the first time
[12:58] <nate> not sure if I'll need to put that into /etc/modules or not
[12:58] <james> cool.. got it wokring
[12:58] <james> working too
[12:58] <will> DaNeon: where do i enter '-o uid=1000,gid=1000'
[12:58] <DaNeon> guy
[12:58] <DaNeon> in optiones
[12:58] <james> had to modprobe libata and ata_piix
[12:58] <DaNeon> options
[12:58] <will> cheers
[12:58] <will> i have 'users' in options, should i add it before or after this?
[12:58] <nate> now, if only I could figure out why my Daewoo LCD monitor looks so ugly... sadly that's not a Ubuntu problem though
[12:58] <DaNeon> guys, what do i enter in dump & pass in fstab for the two fat32 partitios?
[12:59] <DaNeon> partitions
[12:59] <Kinnison> 0 and 0
[12:59] <DaNeon> both?
[12:59] <Kinnison> yeah
[12:59] <DaNeon> thx!
[12:59] <Kinnison> so something like:
[12:59] <nate> but so far I think I am getting quite happy with Ubuntu / GNOME 2.8
[12:59] <Kinnison> /dev/hdc1 /mnt/winc vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[01:00] <nate> oops
[01:00] <DaNeon> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/winc	vfat    uid=1000,gid=1000	0	0
[01:00] <DaNeon> /dev/hdb5       /mnt/wind	vfat    uid=1000,gid=1000	0	0
[01:01] <will> what does pass do?
[01:01] <DaNeon> i don't know
[01:01] <will> and how are we all tring to do the same thing???!!!!
[01:02] <DaNeon> rebooting
[01:04] <lothario> how far is away is the final release of ubuntu?
[01:08] <Maskie_> release candidate around 13 oct and final around 20 oct
[01:09] <DaNeon> guys, there is no way of removing spatial navigation?
[01:09] <lothario> Maskie: thx ;)
[01:09] <smeggy> DaNeon, turn on Browse mode.
[01:10] <DaNeon> done!
[01:10] <nate> yes
[01:11] <nate> I wish there were a midway between the two modes
[01:11] <nate> like one can configure Windows Explorer to be. A minimalistic toolbar and 'open in same window'
[01:11] <nate> with the option of turning on the tree sidebar or not
[01:11] <joem> turn on browse mode and turn off side pane, status bar and location
[01:12] <DaNeon> ppl. how do i install java in the default folder?
[01:13] <will> do you just want to install java?
[01:14] <will> sudo synaptic install (package)
[01:15] <DaNeon> in the defaul location
[01:15] <DaNeon> default
[01:16] <nate> hmm, synaptic can be run from the command line? That's nice.
[01:17] <DaNeon> lemme see
[01:18] <DaNeon> i see a lot of java
[01:18] <DaNeon> what is the vm?
[01:20] <DaNeon> which one is the vm?
[01:23] <DaNeon> hey ppl... i have read only access to the partitions
[01:29] <ForsaKen`> i am making a mirror, for ubuntu, now i am using rsync, i have read that i must do rsync evry 6 houers, i saw that rsync command has -t (time) but i did not understand how it works, maybe some one could help me with it ?
[01:30] <smeggy> heh no idea
[01:30] <smeggy> man rsync ?
[01:30] <ForsaKen`> thats what i did
[01:30] <ForsaKen`> didnt tell me much ..
[01:32] <smeggy> :/
[01:32] <plovs> ForsaKen`, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/rsync.xml
[01:32] <smeggy> Hmm
[01:33] <smeggy> -times tells it to preserve time stamps
[01:35] <ForsaKen`> thanks
[01:55] <dickmorrell> occy alive?
[02:09] <micX> dickmorrell, how are you?
[02:10] <dickmorrell> micX, fine
[02:10] <dickmorrell> tired
[02:10] <dickmorrell> but otherwise fine
[02:10] <dickmorrell> lot of project work atm
[02:10] <dickmorrell> apologies for delay of response was in ImageMagick hell
[02:11] <micX> heh.
[02:11] <dickmorrell> openbsd device I'm working on
[02:11] <dickmorrell> got some issues
[02:12] <micX> dickmorrell, u running ubuntu? how do you find it?
[02:12] <dickmorrell> I have some ubuntu test boxes on a switch alongside my usual boxes
[02:13] <dickmorrell> I'm enjoying it.. its very early days I suppose
[02:13] <dickmorrell> I'm more interested in the security side that being my specialisation
[02:13] <dickmorrell> some silly things like service level gui tools
[02:13] <dickmorrell> although depends if you think where the client is "aimed"
[02:13] <dickmorrell> dont want it too dumbed down
[02:13] <micX> hmm. so how does it look security wise?
[02:14] <dickmorrell> default install is pretty tight
[02:14] <dickmorrell> just xserver issues and some silly logging bits
[02:14] <dickmorrell> will let you know when I've finished hammering it
[02:14] <dickmorrell> will put a box on a DMZ and really really bash it overnight
[02:15] <dickmorrell> ethereal is your friend
[02:15] <micX> sounds good. nice to have your experience looking for holes in ubuntu!
[02:15] <dickmorrell> I really like what the project stands for
[02:15] <dickmorrell> aah an NTL user
[02:15] <dickmorrell> shall I go invisible
[02:16] <micX> who'd ntl?
[02:16] <stevedeo> ?
[02:16] <dickmorrell> my employer
[02:16] <micX> who's even
[02:16] <darksatanic> Big UK ISP
[02:16] <dickmorrell> I am head of security
[02:16] <dickmorrell> for NTL
[02:16] <dickmorrell> hence when I see one login
[02:16] <dickmorrell> I tend to lurk rather than wait for the "why does my cable modem keep falling over"
[02:17] <stevedeo> hahaha
[02:17] <micX> oh. well that's good. you were scratching back in the sw days... :)
[02:17] <popey> not that I'd ask you if I did
[02:17] <dickmorrell> popey you should see the new NTL 250
[02:17] <dickmorrell> tis nice.. if you like that sort of thing
[02:17] <dickmorrell> bit blue for my liking
[02:17] <dickmorrell> micX, SmoothWall long time ago
[02:17] <darksatanic> dickmorrell: Isn't red faster, though?
[02:18] <dickmorrell> profitable though
[02:18] <micX> bbl
[02:18] <dickmorrell> k
[02:21] <popey> lo lionfish :D
[02:21] <lionfish> lo popey :)
[02:23] <dickm[coding] > popey: you seen Hugo Mills around at all ?
[02:23] <popey> umm
[02:23] <popey> in real world or online?
[02:23] <dickm[coding] > either
[02:23] <dickm[coding] > got a load of wifi gear to donate to him
[02:24] <popey> he is no longer the chairman of the lug if thats why you were offering
[02:24] <dickm[coding] > was down at the uni the other day doing other stuff and couldnt find him
[02:24] <dickm[coding] > nope HantsLUG is of no interest
[02:24] <dickm[coding] > was for the uni
[02:24] <popey> oh ok
[02:24] <darksatanic> dickm[coding] : I'm here. :)
[02:24] <popey> oh hello
[02:25] <darksatanic> The guy you want to speak to is really Mike Saywell,
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > cool
[02:25] <darksatanic> who runs SOWN.
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > I was with Julian Field
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > had bootfull of gear
[02:25] <darksatanic> Ah, so you were one floor below me. :)
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > am moving house
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > no room
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > and wife said you MUST slim down gear
[02:25] <darksatanic> :)
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > oh and Hampshire ambulance
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > asked us to tone it down
[02:26] <darksatanic> Whoops.
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > as we were interupting radios
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > if you can use some BIG dishes
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > email me
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > they are 24db US imports
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > 8 mile radius
[02:26] <popey> !
[02:26] <darksatanic> Next time you're coming down to So'ton, let me know -- I'm usually in the office.
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > am down there a lot
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > using Mailscanner in a pilot at min
[02:27] <dickm[coding] > and trying to sponsor Uni
[02:27] <darksatanic> I'm sure Mike S will know what to do with it. :)
[02:27] <dickm[coding] > Julians either up with me at NTL Hook
[02:27] <dickm[coding] > or I come down there
[02:27] <dickm[coding] > I'll pop along and see you next time
[02:27] <dickm[coding] > right I need to get this code sorted or I will get crucified and given chores to do...
[02:27] <dickm[coding] > dont be a stranger
[02:28] <gafami> aloa :)
[02:28] <gafami> anyone alive/awake?
[02:28] <darksatanic> Not sure.
[02:29] <micX> awake but perhaps not alive...
[02:29] <popey> gwaaan, lemme do it!
[02:30] <popey> charging...
[02:30] <popey> Clear!
[02:30] <mbafk> zap him in the brain
[02:30] <mbafk> the heart is for wusses
[02:30] <cef> heh
I neeeeded thaaaat</lurch>
[02:31] <gafami> ;) quick Q: I tried installing ubuntu on my intel 875p driven system (1 ide-cdrw, 1 ide dvd-rw), but ubuntu complains it cannot find any cd-drive and therefore the ubuntu cd... :\
[02:32] <LinuxJones> gafami, you ned to change the boot order in your bios to 1 of you cd drives
[02:32] <LinuxJones> err need
[02:32] <akra> has anyone managed to get the firefox update to install ?
[02:32] <gafami> LinuxJones... hrmmm oki will try thanks :)
[02:32] <linux_mafia> akra, no, and its not reccomended, you should wait for updated packages
[02:32] <LinuxJones> gafami, ok GL
[02:32] <gafami> thx
[02:33] <akra> why not recommended? it's an xpi isn't it?
[02:34] <linux_mafia> akra, from matt zimmerman, ubuntu devel on mailing list: Updating through firefox itself won't work for security reasons; an updated
[02:34] <linux_mafia> package will be available through synaptic soon.  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1983
[02:34] <akra> ta
[02:34] <linux_mafia> no worries
[02:34] <akra> will have to sort out joining the mailing list with Thunderbird soon
[02:34] <Phr0stByte> Does any1 know how to put an additional input method into Gnome apps?
[02:35] <linux_mafia> akra, yeah its good, the users list, quite heavy traffic though
[02:35] <micX> what's a famd, it's using 92% cpu?
[02:35] <darksatanic> File alteration monitor
[02:35] <LinuxJones> micX, it is a filesystem monitor that monitors disk usage.
[02:35] <linux_mafia> micX, fucking famd, heh, file alteration monitor
[02:35] <darksatanic> It watches for changes to the filesystem.
[02:36] <darksatanic> Badly.
[02:36] <micX> hmm. not good. can I kill it?
[02:36] <LinuxJones> micX, ya kill it
[02:36] <linux_mafia> micX, only required for nfs and the like iirc, so if not needed go ahead
[02:38] <micX> well, it's gone. thought things were sluggish...
[02:39] <linux_mafia> micX, apparently this is to replace it, http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin i know it is going to soon/now in fedora, not sure what ubuntu devels are planning though
[02:39] <akra> clearly this isn't my day with find... where's the sound files for gaim kept?
[02:40] <Phr0stByte> Does any1 know how to put an additional input method into Gnome apps?
[02:40] <linux_mafia> akra, you could look like this: dpkg -L gaim
[02:40] <LinuxJones> akra, /usr/share/sounds/gaim
[02:40] <akra> cheers both
[02:41] <linux_mafia> no worries
[02:41] <akra> the current sound for when my name appears is too "scary" :)
[02:41] <Phr0stByte> lol
[02:41] <linux_mafia> akra, that kind of demon moaning sound?
[02:42] <akra> yeah - redalert.wav
[02:43] <linux_mafia> fucking freaked the shit out of me one night when i was in bed nearly asleep, i'd never heard it before, didn't know what the hell it was
[02:43] <linux_mafia> didn't even realise it was coming from the comp at first
[02:43] <akra> that was me yesterday :)
[02:43] <akra> couldn't work out which window had a fatal error in it...
[02:46] <akra> is there a way to teach gaim to automatically identify me with nickserv?
[02:46] <opi^work> re
[02:46] <Phr0stByte> Does anyone know how to enable the scroll wheel on a mouse if it is not working?
[02:46] <opi^work> akra: I do not know about Gaim, but XChat have special input box at server list
[02:47] <fred87> add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' to either /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/XOrg.conf in the mouse section
[02:47] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:47] <micX> Phr0stByte, was it plugged in during install?
[02:47] <Phr0stByte> opi^work: tried that - no dice
[02:48] <Phr0stByte> micX: no
[02:48] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: we're talking about XF or x.org?
[02:48] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, you can add Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[02:48] <Phr0stByte> XF
[02:48] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, what mouse?
[02:48] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: use ZAxis as others advices you
[02:49] <Phr0stByte> HP optical scroll wheel mouse (kinda generic) PS/2
[02:49] <micX> Phr0stByte, did you restart X after adding the ZaxisMapping?
[02:50] <akra> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php is my friend in this case :)
[02:50] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, can you paste mouse part from XF86Config-4 in #flood?
[02:50] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: sure - just a sec
[02:51] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: its there
[02:52] <opi^work> I've pasted mine Phr0stByte
[02:52] <linux_mafia> id say opi^work's looks correct to me
[02:53] <opi^work> linux_mafia: and it works here ;)
[02:53] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: you could try change /dev/psaux with /dev/input/mice
[02:53] <linux_mafia> mine is the same except "/dev/input/mice" because i have a usb mouse
[02:53] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: because of 2.6.x
[02:54] <linux_mafia> opi^work, oh, i thought "/dev/input/mice" was for usb mice, is it for any type?
[02:54] <opi^work> linux_mafia: it's more a change with udev/devfs
[02:54] <linux_mafia> gotya
[02:54] <opi^work> linux_mafia: mouses are now in /dev/input/mouse0, 1, 2
[02:54] <linux_mafia> mouses
[02:55] <linux_mafia> heh
[02:55] <opi^work> but i have /dev/psaux just because I used to it ;)
[02:56] <linux_mafia> man i remember the first time i had to get my usb mouse going in debian, jeeze, had to mknod and all
[02:56] <Phr0stByte> gunna reboot now and test
[02:56] <opi^work> linux_mafia: true, I had to give up my USB mouse ;)
[02:56] <LinuxJones> linux_mafia, ya I remember that :D
[02:56] <Phr0stByte> restart X i mean
[02:56] <micX> I gave up and put the adapter on...
[02:57] <linux_mafia> micX, quitter ;)
[02:58] <opi^work> I've exchanged mouse with friend at work ;)
[02:58] <opi^work> I don't use mouse mutch anyway
[02:58] <linux_mafia> ooh, 1337 cli user ;)
[02:59] <opi^work> linux_mafia: nope, I have my XFce here ;)
[02:59] <opi^work> linux_mafia: but I use mouse only to rise window, change tab in mozilla ;)
[02:59] <linux_mafia> xfce, hmmm, so many people swear by it, i must try sometime
[03:00] <opi^work> linux_mafia: nice, clean and fast
[03:00] <opi^work> linux_mafia: few nice plugins, GTK so it feels almost Gnomish
[03:01] <opi^work> linux_mafia: lodas in 2 secs on my P2@500 at work
[03:01] <opi^work> linux_mafia: http://www.opi.mnc.pl/debian.jpg ;)
[03:01] <opi^work> linux_mafia: or http://www.opi.mnc.pl/xfce.jpg
[03:02] <opi^work> linux_mafia: tfu. http://www.opi.mnc.pl/xfce4.png ;p
[03:03] <linux_mafia> looks good
[03:03] <Phr0stByte> micX: Got it - thanx
[03:03] <Phr0stByte> linux-mafia: thanx
[03:03] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: thanx
[03:03] <Phr0stByte> rather
[03:04] <linux_mafia> for what?
[03:04] <Phr0stByte> scroll wheel
[03:04] <Phr0stByte> its working
[03:04] <opi^work> good
[03:04] <linux_mafia> oh, yeah , sweet, love to help
[03:04] <micX> cool...
[03:04] <opi^work> we're the community of Ubuntu, resistance.. err.. ;)
[03:05] <Phr0stByte> after i wdited the input device section, I had forgotten to change it in the server layout
[03:05] <Phr0stByte> *edited
[03:05] <Phr0stByte> I got a bigger fish to fry now
[03:06] <Phr0stByte> Any1 know how to add an input method for Gnome apps
[03:06] <Phr0stByte> ?
[03:06] <linux_mafia> input method?
[03:07] <opi^work> Im not mutch Gnome user, so I can't help :P
[03:07] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: yeah - right click where you type in a messege in Xchat - see input method in the drop list
[03:08] <linux_mafia> ok, but you want to do that in other apps? what language?
[03:08] <Phr0stByte> opi^work: sorry to hear that. Even sorrier if you use kde
[03:08] <linux_mafia> hahahahah
[03:08] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: none of them
[03:08] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: both are using to mutch resources for my work
[03:09] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: XFce at home and Ion at work
[03:09] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I want to add japanese. You can check that list in most Gnome apps - its the same for all - gaim. Evolution, Gedit, etc
[03:10] <Phr0stByte> opi^work:glad to hear your not a KDEer
[03:10] <Phr0stByte> =)
[03:11] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: I think both DE are OK
[03:11] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: holy wars are silly
[03:11] <Phr0stByte> opi^work: Not warring - just dont like it
[03:11] <opi^work> I use, what I like, I support who I like
[03:12] <opi^work> there's too mutch people who thinks that thier way of view is the best one for whole community
[03:12] <opi^work> and Im far too old to trust them ;p
[03:12] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I added korean - ??? - cant get Japanese though....
[03:12] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, there is no method like that for multibyte characters, ie hangul, hanzi
[03:13] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, oh you added hangul
[03:13] <linux_mafia> hmmm
[03:13] <linux_mafia> i thought you needed special input programs for characters, like xcin for chinese
[03:14] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I could do it easily under Mdk, but I am not familiar with Debian based systems yet....
[03:15] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I have a jserver starting at boot - I think I need to add the locale
[03:15] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, just right click, input -> katagana etc? under mdk?
[03:15] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: YES
[03:15] <linux_mafia> hmmm
[03:15] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I am not sure how to add the locale
[03:15] <linux_mafia> not too sure, check this out though, may help http://im-ja.sourceforge.net/
[03:16] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:16] <linux_mafia> sudo first of course
[03:17] <linux_mafia> any help?
[03:22] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: thanx - I am checking that page you refered me to...
[03:25] <opi^work> Ok, Im going for another mug of tea ;p
[03:29] <jamesdorn> Anyone know about the PPC iso?
[03:29] <hazmat> jamesdorn, what about it?
[03:29] <jamesdorn> hazmat: I cannot seem to burn it.
[03:30] <jamesdorn> hazmat: Disk-Utility doesnt even launch when it's mounted to the desktop
[03:30] <hazmat> jamesdorn, i used a nightly last week and burned it with disk utility..
[03:30] <jamesdorn> If it's not mounted, and I tell disk-utility to burn an image... select the image... disk-utility crashes
[03:31] <jamesdorn> hazmat: where can I find the nightly's?
[03:31] <jamesdorn> I was searching for them, couldnt find em =)
[03:31] <hazmat> jamesdorn, their linked from the web page .... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[03:31] <hazmat> understandable though..
[03:33] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: got it! ????
[03:33] <jamesdorn> Thanks hazmat
[03:33] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, got what?
[03:33] <linux_mafia> input?
[03:33] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: japanese and korean input
[03:33] <jamesdorn> the stock mac image is screwed up =) big time.
[03:34] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, what was the magic?
[03:34] <Phr0stByte> Installing the package on that web site
[03:34] <Phr0stByte> the - im-ja stuff
[03:35] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, sweet, perhaps you or I could put a link on the wiki
[03:35] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, what country are you from?
[03:35] <Phr0stByte> the korean I did last night. I tried so many things, I am actually confused as to what made it work
[03:36] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I am American, but my wife is korean and bitches about not being able to input ko and ja
[03:36] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, you in korea now? soldier?
[03:37] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: No - I am in Virginia
[03:37] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I was married in Korea - lived there three years working on a contract
[03:39] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, do have a fiery kimchi ring right now? ;)
[03:39] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: lol - dont touch the stuff
[03:40] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: Love Soju though
[03:40] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, kidding? kimchi rules, and sam gyap sal, yeah, somac is the shit
[03:41] <pupilzeng> Hi, all
[03:41] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: Never liked korean food - love Japanese food though
[03:41] <pupilzeng> I've update to ubuntu from sid successfully, but there is still some problems
[03:42] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, i'm exact opposite, i love korean beacuse of all the chilli and garlic, you speak korean?
[03:42] <pupilzeng> The first: how to disable root account?
[03:43] <pupilzeng> The second: what's the visodu like?
[03:43] <opi^work> pupilzeng: it's disabled by default
[03:43] <opi^work> pupilzeng: use sudo to do root stuff
[03:43] <linux_mafia> opi^work, not after upgrade from sid
[03:43] <opi^work> ih
[03:43] <opi^work> oh
[03:44] <opi^work> sorry I haven't read whole text
[03:44] <opi^work> give root bin/false user?
[03:44] <pupilzeng> I've no idea
[03:44] <pupilzeng> what's your setting?
[03:45] <linux_mafia> pupilzeng, i enabled root, heh
[03:45] <pupilzeng> How did you enable root?
[03:46] <linux_mafia> pupilzeng, root is not disabled in ubuntu, just it has no password set
[03:46] <linux_mafia> pupilzeng, all i did was set the password, actual root, not sudo, was needed for something i was doing
[03:47] <pupilzeng> linux_mafia: oh, what's your sudo setting?
[03:48] <linux_mafia> what do you mean? for my user?
[03:48] <nux> hi everybody
[03:49] <linux_mafia> pupilzeng, the first user you set up on a ubuntu install is given ALL=(ALL) ALL in /etc/sudoers, they are like the admin
[03:49] <lothario> does the usb hotplug work for a stick drive yet?
[03:49] <linux_mafia> lothario, yes
[03:49] <pupilzeng> I learned from the website of ubuntu that the first user have adminstrator privillege with sudo, so I want to know how to set this
[03:50] <lothario> i tried two installs and couldn't make it work ;(
[03:50] <linux_mafia> pupilzeng, just edit /etc/sudoers and add the line - <username> ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:51] <lothario> otherwise, the ubuntu was brilliant on my machine
[03:51] <linux_mafia> lothario, what type of box
[03:51] <nux> i'm busy downloading ubunto iso for i386 - it seems like there is only 1 iso of 519M...  is that right?
[03:51] <pupilzeng> linux_mafia: thanks, it's very similar with what i've done
[03:51] <linux_mafia> nux, yes
[03:52] <lothario> pentium III 800mhz
[03:52] <nux> why so small?  where can i find a catalogue of software included in ubuntu?
[03:53] <jblack> Ubuntu hit the top of slashdot again
[03:53] <Solatis> you've been slashdotted again! :)
[03:53] <Solatis> well, in a few minutes
[03:54] <linux_mafia> lothario, no, i mean brand, chipset, etc
[03:54] <pupilzeng> My mplayer now can't work after upgrade. I've recompiled it, but no effects
[03:55] <pupilzeng> the version of mplayer is 1.0pre5
[03:55] <deadchip> where does the name ubuntu come from?
[03:55] <deadchip> ah nvm -> website
[03:55] <pupilzeng> it worked fine on sid just before upgrading
[03:57] <linux_mafia> is the average reader of slashdot a complete fuckface? basically all i ever see in the comments about basically anything, is whinging, negative comments, or a "x is crap, you should use y" type rant
[03:57] <nux> does anyone know if ubuntu works under vmware?
[03:57] <moyogo> has anyone tried skype?
[03:57] <moyogo> i mean. on ubuntu?
[03:58] <deadchip> linux_mafia: well they mostly are
[03:58] <deadchip> that's part of the program
[03:58] <linux_mafia> heh
[03:59] <deadchip> look slashdot -> new article -> rub hands, get into troll mood -> write comment -> return to main loop and continue
[03:59] <lothario> linux_mafia:thx, mainboard usis SiS 630 chipset i think brand is PC133
[03:59] <linux_mafia> lothario, usb chipset?
[04:01] <linux_mafia> does this link work for others http://www.desktopos.com/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=19
[04:01] <julia> weird
[04:01] <julia> I can login fine at the local system
[04:01] <julia> but with XDMCP it takes 20 minutes to login
[04:02] <lothario> linux_mafia: sorry, I dunno chipset for usb
[04:02] <superted> linux_mafia: most lightly it's /.'ed
[04:02] <linux_mafia> nah, it says it contains no data
[04:03] <linux_mafia> or is that because its basically being dos'd
[04:03] <jsubl2> linux_mafia, i think they have been slashdotted
[04:04] <linux_mafia> b grade
[04:04] <linux_mafia> z grade even
[04:04] <jsubl2> linux_mafia, the link comes up if you wait for ever
[04:04] <Phr0stByte> Anyone here have a Wacom drawing tablet?
[04:05] <linux_mafia> jsubl2, got it
[04:07] <nux> what is the kernel version of Warty Warthog?
[04:07] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: Sorry - stepped out for a bit - Yes I speak a fair amount of Korean
[04:08] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: (After all, I have a live in tutor)
[04:08] <linux_mafia> jsubl2, thats a pretty positive review
[04:08] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: Can even read and write it
[04:09] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, thats the easy part
[04:09] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, simpler than english i feel
[04:09] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: Yeah - but it help if you are studying from books
[04:09] <lothario> [SiS]  USB 1.0 Controller
[04:09] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I would think so too
[04:10] <jsubl2> linux_mafia, yeah it is.  he said he will review again after using it for awhile
[04:10] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, king sejong was a pretty fuckin smart dude
[04:11] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: jep
[04:12] <dieman> jesus, another ubuntu review.
[04:12] <dieman> :)
[04:14] <giorsat> proble installing ubuntu in a computer with sis chipset. at first boot it hangs on usb.rc. on booting in failsafe it gives a usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0in error. I know for sure that pcmcia must be disabled since 1 boot because it hangs kernel 2.6 - how to tell grub not to load pcmcia? what about the usb error?
[04:16] <Phr0stByte> Anyone here have a Wacom drawing tablet?
[04:17] <ama> whats the direction of ubuntu
[04:17] <linux_mafia> north
[04:17] <Phr0stByte> lol
[04:17] <nux> forward i hope
[04:19] <linux_mafia> ama, what exactly are you trying to ask?
[04:20] <ama> going towards a mandrake like user friendly distribution, as in with an easy gui installation
[04:20] <opi^work> ama: third way
[04:20] <ama> or more of a debian based distribution, that has a menu driven install
[04:20] <opi^work> ama: powerful distro, that is easy to use
[04:21] <ama> whats that way?
[04:21] <morteoh> i don't like gui-installs
[04:21] <ama> i like the option of them
[04:21] <ama> i dont like debians installation
[04:21] <opi^work> ama: why?
[04:21] <ama> i do like mandrakes installation
[04:21] <opi^work> ama: what's wrong with it?
[04:21] <ama> because debians installation, was broken for me
[04:21] <topyli> ama: they are the same
[04:21] <ama> last time i used it
[04:21] <opi^work> ama: in witch way?
[04:21] <ama> and debians installation is far to complex and un intuitive
[04:22] <ama> the last time i installed debian i chose both gdm and kdm by accident and the installation failed
[04:22] <ama> with no useful error message
[04:22] <ama> and i figure from that point foward, it wasnt worth my time
[04:22] <hazmat> ama,  agreed.
[04:22] <opi^work> I've installed Debain more than 10 times
[04:22] <opi^work> DebInstaller never failed me
[04:22] <Guest-3fb> Only joined cause I was curious how this channel getting slashdotted affected it's size.
[04:22] <morteoh> ama: was that with the old installer? or the new?
[04:22] <hazmat> ama, i have had the same issues with debian in the past.... i went ahead and started using gentoo
[04:23] <ama> i use gentoo now too
[04:23] <ama> morteoh i believe it was old
[04:23] <hazmat> the commercial debians i tried storm linux, progeny prominently went bust with their distros.. ;-)
[04:23] <opi^work> ama: but Gento has NO installer
[04:23] <hazmat> although i guess now progeny is back
[04:23] <morteoh> ama: the new one i way better (the on ubuntu is based on)
[04:23] <ama> indeed it dosnt opi^work
[04:23] <hazmat> opi^work, but it has clear instructions
[04:23] <hazmat> debian has a twisty maze of documentation...
[04:23] <hazmat> can't see the path but for the trees
[04:24] <opi^work> ama: so you like Madrake installer, because it's easy, Debain installer is broken, but Gentoo without installer is better? ;-)
[04:24] <topyli> debian is the one that _has_ documentation :)
[04:24] <ama> debians installer was broken though
[04:24] <ama> and it was too complex choosing packages
[04:24] <ama> mandrakes installer is easy, and powerful
[04:24] <topyli> mandrake is nice, yes.
[04:24] <opi^work> ama: but then you have Desktop with RPM-hell
[04:24] <ama> i do
[04:24] <tortoise__> slacks is very good, simple
[04:24] <nux> yast2 is the best installer ever
[04:25] <ama> thats why i switched
[04:25] <opi^work> ama: I would never use something RPM based
[04:25] <topyli> well, installers are not something you're supposed to be using every day.
[04:25] <topyli> although i can see why mandrake and redhat need a friendly installer. you use them a lot =)
[04:25] <hazmat> opi^work, the rpm distros have gotten much better over the years.. urpmi is fairly nice.
[04:26] <linux_mafia> opi^work, ah its not so bad these days with apt4rpm
[04:26] <opi^work> but it's still lacking
[04:26] <topyli> and urpmi
[04:26] <opi^work> Im using swaret/slapt-get with Slackware
[04:26] <opi^work> and it's still not the same effect as I've got with my Debian box
[04:26] <linux_mafia> opi^work, "but it's still lacking" was that to me?
[04:27] <opi^work> it's a little bit easier with installation and upgrade process
[04:27] <opi^work> linux_mafia: RPM-apt-alikness still lacking :)
[04:27] <topyli> apt-rpm still installs rpms :)
[04:27] <opi^work> ;p
[04:28] <linux_mafia> opi^work, but it is "apt" it just deals with rpms, its honestly not bad, you are starting to be able to dist-upgrade with it too now, with fedora anyway
[04:29] <linux_mafia> i'm not trying to push rpms by the way, im a deb man through and through
[04:29] <ggi> Ah, a Slashdot headline. That's why this channel's apparently turned to crap.
[04:29] <topyli> linux_mafia: and mandrake's urpmi works very well too. i'm not sure if i'd try to upgrade the whole system with it though.
[04:30] <opi^work> linux_mafia: having a RPM based distro with some kind of APT emulation ;-) and Debian/Gentoo with real thing (portage, when it comes to Gentoo;-) i'll stick with orginal ones :P
[04:30] <ermina> Hi all
[04:30] <topyli> ggi: hooray slashdot!
[04:30] <linux_mafia> ggi, whats crap about it?
[04:30] <opi^work> but, as I sayd -- everyone can pick what suits'em :)
[04:31] <ermina> can i ask some questions??
[04:31] <opi^work> ermina: don't ask to ask
[04:31] <topyli> just aks
[04:31] <topyli> ask even
[04:31] <laotse> isn't a slashdot headline a good thing? I would think that a new distro that wants users would enjoy some publicity.
[04:31] <timv> Not for whoever pays for the hosting
[04:31] <ermina> I want to install an internal modem, with hsf chipset, I've downloaded a driver from linuxant
[04:31] <topyli> laotse: there are side effects like distro wars :)
[04:31] <linux_mafia> laotse, but they might not be 1337 enough, ;)
[04:32] <acid420> hell0 there
[04:32] <laotse> is there a distro war going on?
[04:32] <ermina> but how to install the hsfmodem???.deb
[04:32] <ggi> Well, I reckon a channel is better when there are fewer smiley faces. They bother me. I'm sorry.
[04:32] <acid420> could sometell me if there are plans to have a sparc port ?
[04:33] <laotse> I'm rather distro agnostic myself. I have debian on my dev server upstairs and fedora core 2 on my laptop, and there's an older laptop around here somewhere with crux on it.
[04:33] <linux_mafia> ggi, why ;)
[04:34] <topyli> personally, i get frightened when people are Lauging Out Loud when just reporting a problem or something lol
[04:34] <linux_mafia> topyli, heh
[04:34] <ggi> linux_mafia: Grr! Just kidding. It was probably just the random idiots dissing apt.
[04:35] <linux_mafia> acid420, http://ensilinx1.imag.fr/wiki/index.php/UbuntuSparc
[04:35] <tuxakka> hi, I installed warty and just found out that packages doesn't include firewall-gui is there warty's own tool for iptables?
[04:35] <linux_mafia> acid420, its amazing what google does
[04:35] <giorsat> anyone can tell me where to find help for a problem with installation? I have a computer broken down right now and don't know what to do...
[04:36] <linux_mafia> tuxakka, no
[04:36] <ggi> giorsat: Well, here, I guess. Ask away.
[04:36] <linux_mafia> tuxakka, because firewall is not enabled by default, there are no open ports
[04:36] <linux_mafia> tuxakka, only portmap internally
[04:37] <tuxakka> my warty at least listen many ports
[04:37] <giorsat> well. first problem. I must say grub during installation not to load pcmcia because it hangs everything. what's the command line?
[04:37] <topyli> tuxakka: how did you test? lots of services like x listen to localhost
[04:38] <topyli> test remotely
[04:38] <tuxakka> netstat -an | grep LISTEN
[04:38] <acid420> nice :))
[04:38] <tuxakka> at least 111 and 25 are listen
[04:38] <ggi> giorsat: Add 'nopcmcia' to the boot line.
[04:39] <giorsat> thank you. sorry if i sound dumb
[04:39] <linux_mafia> tuxakka, so? listen is not open -> accepting
[04:39] <ermina> ggi : how can I install an hsfmodem ?? I have the driver but I don't know what to do
[04:40] <tuxakka> ok I try with other machine what nmap and nessus says
[04:40] <topyli> tuxakka: 111 is portmap, 25 is smtp. you have to have them listening to localhost
[04:40] <topyli> try sygate or another scan
[04:40] <giorsat> second problem. I have this strange usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0in during first boot. sis chipset. it does the same on all latest kernel while on mdk10 (2.6.3) nothing happens. what can I do?
[04:40] <linux_mafia> ermina, you willing to pay? where did you get the driver you have?
[04:41] <ermina> I have it from linuxant, the free one
[04:41] <tuxakka> nmap said 111/tcp    open        sunrpc
[04:41] <linux_mafia> ermina, the .deb package?
[04:42] <ermina> linux_mafia : yes
[04:42] <ggi> giorsat: That's sometimes fine. I've had it before with a sis chipset. Does your usb work?
[04:42] <topyli> tuxakka: where did you do the nmap? locally? you're not listening :)
[04:43] <tuxakka> I suppose that debian's firestarter won't install warty?
[04:43] <topyli> sure it does
[04:43] <tuxakka> I nmapped with an another machine of course
[04:43] <topyli> oh
[04:44] <ermina> linux_mafia : what should I do with the .deb file? I'm a newbie
[04:44] <topyli> tuxakka: i have firestarter right here, works fine
[04:44] <topyli> from unstable
[04:44] <tuxakka> ok I try that
[04:44] <linux_mafia> ermina, dpkg -i <packagename> its all in the install docs though
[04:45] <giorsat> difficult to say. my computer stops booting
[04:45] <giorsat> does noapic nolapic helps?
[04:45] <ermina> oke I will try that, thanks linux_mafia
[04:45] <giorsat> if I add them to grub it gives me an error . why?
[04:45] <linux_mafia> dosen't anyone read or google anymore? sheesh
[04:45] <ggi> giorsat: Yeah, possibly. Try with 'acpi=off' as well.
[04:45] <linux_mafia> ermina, http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/install.php
[04:46] <ggi> giorsat: What error?
[04:46] <giorsat> ok. but how to do it
[04:46] <giorsat> if i add a command line on grub it gives me error
[04:47] <giorsat> error n.17 or 27 . I don't remember and computer is at work
[04:47] <ggi> giorsat: You could try editing the boot line on startup (by pressing 'e' or whatever). Or edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:47] <giorsat> and write
[04:47] <giorsat> noapic
[04:47] <giorsat> nolapic
[04:48] <giorsat> nopcmcia
[04:48] <giorsat> acpi=off
[04:48] <giorsat> is that a right order?
[04:49] <Treenaks> order doesn't matter
[04:49] <ggi> giorsat: Add any kernel options to the line that starts with '# kopt' in /boot/grub/menu.lst . Then run 'update-grub'. The order doesn't matter, as far as I'm aware.
[04:49] <giorsat> thank to you all
[04:50] <giorsat> last wuestion. I always used mandrake and k3b is fantastic. what's the application to write data audio cd in gnome? nautilus for data but I dont' know what to do for audio and dvd
[04:50] <linux_mafia> giorsat, k3b ;)
[04:50] <giorsat> what do you use graphically?
[04:51] <giorsat> does it require kde libraries right?
[04:51] <linux_mafia> giorsat, i use k3b
[04:51] <ions|away> giorsat: unfortunately you're not going to find anything as good as k3b for gnome
[04:51] <linux_mafia> giorsat, of course
[04:52] <linux_mafia> giorsat, its in universe
[04:52] <ions|away> also unfortunately if you want k3b you need a helluva lot of KDE baggage
[04:52] <topyli> k3b drags along a big bunch of dependencies, but it's your best bet
[04:53] <linux_mafia> only kdelibs-data and kdebase-bin
[04:53] <giorsat> well...thank you. when will you think there'll be a gnome3b? and when is due next ubuntu release?
[04:53] <ions|away> yeah *only*
[04:54] <linux_mafia> what?
[04:54] <linux_mafia> your point is?
[04:54] <ions|away> those are significant packages
[04:54] <linux_mafia> and
[04:54] <ions|away> it also whines about needing arts
[04:54] <ions|away> and that's a complete pain
[04:54] <ions|away> for someone who has no interest in putting kde on their machine
[04:55] <linux_mafia> ions|away, do you have a tiny hdd?
[04:55] <ions|away> no, but I have no interest in wasting space either
[04:56] <topyli> linux_mafia: that's not the point. you support the packages you have installed. and i have no idea what to do to kde when it breaks
[04:56] <giorsat> k3b gives some errors on loading.. maybe it's better old xcdroast
[04:56] <dommi> X just crashed.  I can move the mouse but cant type.  The mouse is also not switching to my second monitor.  Nor is the mouse cursor changing on event
[04:56] <jensens> isnt kde almost the same as the kde form sarge?
[04:56] <dommi> I cant ssh into the box.  any ideas?
[04:57] <jensens> dommi: sshd installed? started?
[04:57] <giorsat> last question. any idea for next ubuntu release? weeks or months?
[04:57] <dommi> it is, not sure if I started it
[04:57] <cybrjackle|lappy> anyone having evo crashing on them?
[04:58] <topyli> giorsat: it's always six months
[04:58] <ggi> giorsat: October the 20th, for the proper Warty release.
[04:58] <topyli> giorsat: but the first one isn't released yet, so that's probably weeks
[04:58] <linux_mafia> those kde deps are < 30MB, and you are not "installing kde", just enough to run k3b, k3b breaks ditch it, it wont affect core system stabilty
[04:58] <tehmiller> i hate you guys! i hate ubuntu! hate it! it proved me wrong about debian based distros :(
[04:59] <giorsat> I find ubuntu much better than fedora. and it's only a preview...
[04:59] <tehmiller> i was happy in my little anti-debian world, and then ubuntu had to go and blow it all up
[04:59] <topyli> linux_mafia: yes. it's cruft anyways. i'd be happier without it
[04:59] <ions|away> heh
[05:00] <giorsat> not to tell the cleaner gnome desktop instead of messy kde
[05:00] <topyli> tehmiller: sorry to hear that =)
[05:00] <tehmiller> question though, would it mess up anything ubuntu related if i installed the gtkmm and gnomemm libs from debian sid, so as to get the hardware monitor applet?
[05:00] <topyli> tehmiller: you can hate suse or something now.
[05:00] <linux_mafia> topyli, how do you burn audio cds? at the cli? or other gtk based app? is gtoaster still in devel do you know? i used to like that
[05:01] <topyli> linux_mafia: k3b :D
[05:01] <tehmiller> topyli, already do, and mdk too
[05:01] <richnrockvillemd> From a Newbie: When they come out with a new build of Ubuntu, what will I need to do to upgrade my existing installs?
[05:01] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, yes, hate suse
[05:01] <giorsat> the same computer with sis chipset (isn't kernel 2.6 a little more troubling than old 2.4?) doesn't allow fedora even to start installing
[05:01] <linux_mafia> richnrockvillemd, apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:01] <Qo-noS> there are quite a few competent gtk cd burning apps...it just takes some effort  hunting them down ;) e.g. GnomeBaker, gcdw, Eclipt Eroaster, gcombust and soon-to-come Coaster-gui > www.coaster-burn.org and Optimystic > htttp://www.dropline.net/
[05:02] <richnrockvillemd> apt-get dist-upgrade??  I am guessing that all I have to do is to open a terminal window and type that?
[05:02] <tehmiller> richnrockvillemd, yes
[05:02] <topyli> Qo-noS: eroaster is very broken in unstable i'm afraid.
[05:02] <richnrockvillemd> thanks, appreciate the info. Now if I can remember it :)
[05:02] <linux_mafia> Qo-noS, coaster-gui is to be relesed with the stable version of the hurd
[05:02] <topyli> the others don't do all the stuff k3b and eroaster do
[05:03] <topyli> rofl
[05:03] <Qo-noS> topyli: is is but it was GREAT when it worked a few months ago ;)
[05:03] <topyli> sure.
[05:03] <linux_mafia> topyli, what are you rofl about?
[05:03] <topyli> the hurd and coaster-gui
[05:04] <linux_mafia> oh, heh
[05:04] <Qo-noS> linux_mafia: Joey hess has the libbakery stuff packaged or was it somebody else hmmm but i know the dependent libarries are being taken care of ;)
[05:04] <tehmiller> herd
[05:04] <linux_mafia> herd?
[05:04] <linux_mafia> whats that?
[05:05] <topyli> hurd. it's going to replace linux Real Soon
[05:05] <Qo-noS> Debian GNU/Hurd...several servers running on top of the GNU Mach microkernel
[05:05] <cybrjackle|lappy> topyli, don't think so
[05:05] <cybrjackle|lappy> real soon = decade ?
[05:06] <Qo-noS> cybrjackle|lappy: maybe give it a century...it should do so by then ;)
[05:06] <topyli> oh, in a decade they'll boot
[05:06] <linux_mafia> i know what the hurd is, but tehmiller said herd
[05:06] <cybrjackle|lappy> lol
[05:06] <tehmiller> sorry
[05:06] <tehmiller> habit, thought it was a misspelling
[05:06] <tehmiller> and in gentoo there are the pacakge herds
[05:06] <cybrjackle|lappy> anyone use evolution
[05:07] <tehmiller> <--- gentoo person by nature
[05:07] <tehmiller> yes cybrjackle|lappy
[05:07] <cybrjackle|lappy> you haveing problems opening it
[05:07] <linux_mafia> recursive acronym : hurd of unix replicating daemons
[05:07] <topyli> actually, hurd = herd of unix-replacing daemonds, and herd= <something i don't remember now>. anyway, it's doubly recursive
[05:07] <cybrjackle|lappy> last update i did evo crashes from the get go
[05:07] <Qo-noS> Gentoo or whatever...main thing is most here are Linux lovers...pardon me for ignoring the "GNU" bit ;)
[05:07] <cybrjackle|lappy> wants to restart/close/inform devels when i open it 8)
[05:07] <ama> hird = hurd of interfaces representing depth
[05:08] <ama> hurd = hurd of unix replacing daemons]
[05:08] <tehmiller> oujoiwrgj
[05:08] <ama> or hird
[05:08] <linux_mafia> Qo-noS, you better call it gnu/linux boy, or me and richard are coming to rough you up ;)
[05:08] <tehmiller> friggin hird hurd herd, all crap
[05:08] <tehmiller> :P
[05:08] <ama> should be linux/gnu
[05:08] <linux_mafia> anyone prelinked their ubuntu box?
[05:08] <Qo-noS> linux_mafia: damn didn't know RMS does IRC too :P
[05:09] <topyli> ok. here goes. hurd= hird of unix-replacing daemons, and hird = hurd of interfaces representating depth =)
[05:09] <tehmiller> linux_mafia, no, get too many issues
[05:09] <linux_mafia> im esr's half brother
[05:09] <defendguin> has /. effected the traffic in here any?
[05:09] <ama> i presume so
[05:09] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, ok, cause my friend using mepis said it did wonders for him, no issues
[05:10] <tehmiller> linux_mafia, he run any wine or etc apps?
[05:10] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, not sure
[05:10] <tehmiller> people still read /. ?
[05:10] <tehmiller> amazing
[05:10] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, i thought so too
[05:10] <Kinnison> Hi
[05:10] <linux_mafia> not high enough
[05:11] <linux_mafia> :(
[05:11] <Qo-noS> hehe...ahh that crazy man has his points it's true that Linux is really just a kernel, GNU utilities are essential but without the additional layer of applications like k3b...what makes an OS? But calling Linux GNU/Linux is  just a mouthful and rather silly really
[05:11] <linux_mafia> Qo-noS, agreed
[05:11] <Qo-noS> linux_mafia: ;)
[05:11] <tehmiller> gnome is what makes linux
[05:11] <tehmiller> :)
[05:11] <defendguin> :-D
[05:11] <topyli> gnome is a gnu project though =)
[05:11] <Qo-noS> tehmiller: tell it to the KDE crowd ;)
[05:12] <tehmiller> Qo-noS, i do
[05:12] <tehmiller> ;)
[05:12] <linux_mafia> gotta love rms's face in revolution OS, when he gets the linus torvalds award, lmfao
[05:12] <Qo-noS> tehmiller: and you survived? ;)
[05:12] <tehmiller> Qo-noS, i'm a big guy, i can take the pain :D
[05:12] <linux_mafia> you guys seen Revolution OS?
[05:13] <Qo-noS> honestly, Linux and RMS owes one another...they know it deep down...
[05:13] <topyli> ahh
[05:13] <Qo-noS> tehmiller: ahhh these kde fanboys can be real rowdy you know ;)
[05:13] <ama> im a kde fan
[05:13] <ama> though im having misgivings
[05:13] <ama> gnome seems to be the future of linux desktop
[05:14] <gravies> I was a KDE fan until gnome 2.8 :-)
[05:14] <tehmiller> Qo-noS, actually, i've gotten many many more to come to the light side of linux
[05:14] <tehmiller> aka, gnome
[05:14] <tehmiller> of course, KDE themselves made it easier
[05:14] <topyli> to paraphrase rms, using kde is not a sin, it's a penance
[05:14] <Qo-noS> ama: there's nothing really wrong with QT apps just that the default look and feel is ahem plain ugly
[05:14] <tehmiller> by making their latest releases just slightly above crap
[05:14] <ama> keremik
[05:14] <hazmat> wierd if i plug in a usb hub keyboard with things attached the whole usb subsystem locks up
[05:14] <ama> with the yellow
[05:14] <linux_mafia> i say the loyalist, most staunch oss supporters of their own banner, are the gentoo lot
[05:14] <hazmat> if i plug them in one by one it works ok
[05:14] <ama> i have no clue what they were thinking
[05:14] <Qo-noS> altho I admit I use both QT as well as Gtk along with motif apps
[05:15] <ama> i personally think kde and gnome should coumbine, though there will be alot of major issues to overcome and developer strife, it will be better in the long run
[05:15] <tehmiller> k3b is the only qt app i use, and since ive been having issues with it, ihavent even used it
[05:16] <tehmiller> anyone have a good tut on setting up imap?
[05:16] <topyli> lyx uses qt, that's why i need it. and i use k3b, but that one i don't really need
[05:16] <Qo-noS> ama: I don't they they ever will come together...it is good to have a choice...Trolltech/QT requires  some kind of a registration thingy for those intending to develop apps with their toolkit
[05:16] <topyli> tehmiller: there's not much to setup. enable it in inetd
[05:16] <topyli> .conf
[05:16] <tehmiller> topyli, i mean setting up an imap server
[05:17] <topyli> that's what i mean too :)
[05:17] <gravies> anybody's ubuntu gnome install broken atm?  won't get past splash screen...
[05:17] <tehmiller> the thing that makes my email remotely accessable
[05:17] <topyli> right
[05:17] <ama> you dont have to register to develop apps
[05:17] <ama> though, if you want to develop commercial apps
[05:17] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, you looked at the courier-imap how-to at www.tldp.org?
[05:17] <ama> you have to pay
[05:17] <tehmiller> linux_mafia, not yet
[05:17] <ama> but its not like theres any major gtk+ based apps
[05:18] <tehmiller> thanks for the smack in the head to remind me about it
[05:18] <ama> that are commercial
[05:18] <topyli> tehmiller: 1. install a daemon, 2. enable it in inetd.conf, 3. open the port, 4. get your mail
[05:18] <linux_mafia> ama, wtf
[05:18] <Qo-noS> ama: I think there are PageMaker is one
[05:18] <ama> never heard of it
[05:18] <linux_mafia> realplayer 10 is, heh
[05:18] <Qo-noS> www.gnomefiles.org
[05:18] <hazmat> ama, there are several gtk commercial apps.
[05:18] <Qo-noS> linux_mafia: yup that's another ;)
[05:19] <tehmiller> realplayer 10 is a paranormal app
[05:19] <hazmat> of the top of my head.. wingide.com
[05:19] <defendguin> the helix player blows and it causes problems when i want to download an rpm
[05:19] <tehmiller> a real player that defies the laws of Real apps
[05:19] <tehmiller> it doesnt suck
[05:19] <topyli> true
[05:19] <Qo-noS> tehmiller: heh
[05:19] <ama> ok thats like 3
[05:19] <tehmiller> defendguin, thats the mozilla plugin
[05:19] <linux_mafia> evolution
[05:19] <defendguin> yeah
[05:20] <linux_mafia> thats a killer app too
[05:20] <ama> i should have said propreitary
[05:20] <topyli> evo is free.
[05:20] <tehmiller> defendguin, theres a way to kill it specifically, but i usually just rightclick save rpms
[05:20] <ama> proprietary even
[05:20] <defendguin> tehmiller, still annoying
[05:20] <joh> why do I get "Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second." when doing cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI ?
[05:20] <tehmiller> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:20] <tehmiller> DEB HAS GARTOON PREPACKAGED!
[05:21] <defendguin> tehmiller, really?
[05:21] <defendguin> hmmm
[05:21] <tehmiller> in deb sid
[05:21] <defendguin> must boot up my ubuntu box
[05:21] <topyli> tehmiller: of course :)
[05:21] <tehmiller> topyli, well i dont see any of the good gtk themes there, so dont get all superior! :P
[05:22] <topyli> tehmiller: they must be broken if theyre not in sid :)
[05:22] <tehmiller> topyli, not at all
[05:22] <tehmiller> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=15073
[05:23] <defendguin> tehmiller, just the icon theme? or a gtk theme as well?
[05:23] <linux_mafia> defendguin, you get bios sorted?
[05:23] <topyli> tehmiller: hmm. look ok. I bet there's a security problem or something :P
[05:23] <defendguin> linux_mafia, huh?
[05:23] <tehmiller> defendguin, gartoon is just the icon theme
[05:24] <tehmiller> topyli, nah, just none of the gnome people like his themes
[05:24] <defendguin> well it has stock icons
[05:24] <tehmiller> topyli, the guy that makes that gtk theme is a friend, hes been rejected from art.gnome.org like 8 times
[05:24] <topyli> tehmiller: well, themes are easy enough. the main thing is the apps are (mostly) there
[05:25] <topyli> tehmiller: oh. he's gotten someone angry
[05:25] <topyli> gnome-look treats him right?
[05:26] <tehmiller> yeah
[05:27] <tehmiller> there was a vote in effect on the gnome-support forums a while back about the best gtk theme, we tried to do a write in for his latest theme at that time, the mods killed it
[05:27] <tehmiller> funny thing is that we cant figure out what he did to piss someone off
[05:27] <plovs> what is the username and password for cups?
[05:28] <tehmiller> root plovs
[05:28] <tehmiller> if you mean the web interface
[05:28] <plovs> tehmiller, ok
[05:28] <defendguin> this is kind of annoying sometimes the ubuntu boot stophalf way
[05:29] <defendguin> like it just stopped after it started the acpi daemon
[05:29] <defendguin> just sits there for a few min
[05:29] <tehmiller> ok, i know this has been asked<PHONE_NUMBER>0000 and 42 times, but i have to ask myself, any idea on the eta of xorg into debian?
[05:29] <topyli> plovs: trying the web interface? it's disabled in ubuntu i seem to recall.
[05:30] <plovs> topyli, it answers.. asks for login
[05:30] <defendguin> and of course the keyboard and power button do nothing so i have to end up pulling the battery of of my laptop
[05:30] <linux_mafia> this may be relevant/important to some of you - http://www.wiggy.net/tmp/accident/
[05:30] <topyli> yep, and accepts nothing. read the README in the docs folder. it tells you to use the gnome interface.
[05:30] <linux_mafia> rms nearly died
[05:31] <gravies> anyone got an faq on how to get gnome 2.8 to start after crash? - gconf corrupt?
[05:31] <plovs> topyli, anybody have a working canon 1250
[05:31] <Qo-noS> gravies: delete .gconf ;)
[05:31] <plovs> canon i250
[05:31] <topyli> plovs: not me :)
[05:32] <gravies> did rm -rf .gconf .gnome .gnome2 etc... tried root, other user... just stops at splash or grey... second time on 2 ubuntu boxes...
[05:32] <LinuxJones> gravies, maybe the files in your home dir are corrupt. Try creating a new user and logging in.
[05:33] <gravies> did that... no joy
[05:33] <tehmiller> gravies, you try starting it with startx?
[05:33] <LinuxJones> gravies, yikes
[05:33] <tehmiller> and putting gnome-session in the ~/.xinitrc
[05:33] <gravies> tried xinit /usr/bin/gnome-session
[05:33] <gravies> same problem
[05:33] <tehmiller> seeing what errors it gives you
[05:33] <gravies> no errors in .xsession-errors
[05:33] <tehmiller> on the terminal itself?
[05:33] <gravies> nada
[05:33] <gravies> just sits there...
[05:33] <tehmiller> hrmmmm
[05:34] <tehmiller> the only plausible solution is that it hates you
[05:34] <gravies> for 10mins... on 3200+ 64 chip
[05:34] <gravies> my conclusion too... shame as I really like 2.8 on ubuntu...
[05:34] <tehmiller> tried a new user?
[05:34] <gravies> although had similar problem in fedora core...
[05:34] <gravies> yep
[05:34] <LinuxJones> gravies, have you updated your system after install ?
[05:34] <gravies> gnome =  unstable?
[05:34] <tehmiller> no gravies
[05:34] <amphi> gravies: why not try and debug it without ?dm ? might make it easier
[05:35] <tehmiller> its very stabled
[05:35] <gravies> done apt-get dist-upgrade every day for a week to see if the fix would arrive... nothing
[05:35] <gravies> without dm?  lost me there?
[05:35] <amphi> gravies: console login + startx
[05:36] <topyli> gravies: at work i upgraded to unstable when that happened. then back to ubuntu gradually :(
[05:36] <gravies> yes - that doesn' twork (see above)
[05:36] <joh> there is a bug in the cdrecord package
[05:37] <joh> where can I access the ubuntu bugzilla?
[05:37] <joh> oh, sorry :P
[05:37] <topyli> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:37] <joh> topic is nice :P
[05:37] <joh> thanks
[05:37] <gravies> what is the equivalent of rpm -Uvh --force for dpkg / aptitude (so I can reinstall all the gnome gconf files?)
[05:37] <tehmiller> dpkg --forceall ?
[05:38] <gravies> great I'll try that thanks...
[05:38] <tehmiller> iunno for sure
[05:38] <amphi> gravies: not sure that forcing dpkg is always wise...
[05:38] <LinuxJones> gravies, apt-get --purge remove gconf
[05:39] <Qo-noS> gravies: or dpkg -P gconf
[05:39] <gravies> good plan LinuxJones
[05:40] <tehmiller> is mplayer proper in any debian repository?
[05:41] <amphi> tehmiller: marillat, but not official debs
[05:41] <tehmiller> amphi, can you save me a google with a link?
[05:41] <amphi> tehmiller: I have this is my sources.list FWIW: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[05:41] <occy> anyone know if pcmcia issues have been addressed in the latest nightlies?  I've got the  Oct 1st nightly and still can't seem too do the install because it hangs at loading pcmcia.
[05:41] <tehmiller> many thanks
[05:42] <amphi> I run woddy + a couple of backports
[05:42] <occy> this is a Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop.
[05:42] <amphi> er, woody
[05:42] <amphi> you could ask the #debian bot
[05:42] <tehmiller> occy, i have an inspiron 9100
[05:42] <tehmiller> works 100%
[05:42] <tehmiller> thats what i installed ubuntu on
[05:42] <amphi> tehmiller:  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html
[05:42] <amphi> for info
[05:42] <occy> every distro I've installed on this has had no problems.
[05:43] <occy> :/
[05:43] <occy> hmmm
[05:43] <occy> maybe I should try one of the other nightlies again.
[05:43] <occy> there could have been something borked temporarily
[05:44] <LinuxJones> occy, can you diable your pcmcia bus in the system's bios ?
[05:44] <occy> LinuxJones: hey bud... I tried.. didn't see an option to do that.
[05:44] <occy> LinuxJones: I tried the expert install and it hung when it was trying to load pcmcia
[05:44] <LinuxJones> occy, ahh
[05:45] <occy> I'll try the latest nightly to see if that works.
[05:45] <LinuxJones> occy, some folks are having issues with pcmcia cards hanging so your not alone.
[05:45] <occy> LinuxJones: yah....  I bet it's the actual card manager services.
[05:45] <occy> LinuxJones: someone must be doing something different to the default stuff cause debian regular installs fine on it.
[05:46] <occy> sorta at a catch 22 with pcmcia
[05:46] <occy> heh
[05:46] <occy> have to have it to get connected to the net.
[05:47] <occy> had a great 10 mile run today
[05:47] <occy> I was only going to do 6, but felt so good I kept going.
[05:47] <occy> hehe
[05:47] <tehmiller^2> gah!
[05:47] <tehmiller^2> no xchat 2.4.0
[05:48] <tehmiller^2> what kind of insanity is this!?
[05:48] <occy> tehmiller^2: heh
[05:48] <LinuxJones> occy, I walked to the kitchen and make a pizza for lunch
[05:48] <amphi> tehmiller: use irssi like decent people do :)
[05:48] <tehmiller^2> amphi, god no
[05:48] <occy> LinuxJones: haha, right on
[05:48] <amphi> heh
[05:48] <tehmiller^2> amphi, thats my "oh shit i screwed up something bad an am stuck in termnial" client
[05:48] <tehmiller^2> nothing more
[05:48] <occy> tehmiller same here
[05:48] <amphi> I spend most of my time in console
[05:49] <tehmiller^2> but GUI is your friend
[05:49] <tehmiller^2> not your enemy
[05:49] <occy> I sorta wish I could use console client though
[05:49] <occy> wish there was a tabbed based script.
[05:49] <amphi> GUI is more like an acquaintance that is pleasant to see occasionally, for me :)
[05:49] <occy> it would be easy to do.
[05:49] <occy> for someone that knows how to code that is...
[05:50] <amphi> occy: 'tab based script'?
[05:50] <tehmiller^2> occy, irssi is tab based...
[05:50] <Exasparilla> I'm a li'l confused and would appreciate help - the "universe" repo is Debian unstable, frozen at the time of release, yes?
[05:50] <occy> would be neat to make a curses based client.
[05:50] <tehmiller^2> its just unintuitive as hell
[05:50] <occy> tehmiller yah
[05:51] <occy> essentially, make xchat where it would run graphically under console via some curses (menu based) thingy
[05:51] <LinuxJones> Exasparilla, I think that is the basic plan
[05:51] <occy> xchat-text wasn't that great IMHO
[05:52] <Exasparilla> So, how bad would it be to use the current debian unstable, or even experimental?  Do the ubuntu folks prune out bad packages or something?
[05:52] <LinuxJones> Exasparilla, mixing debian repositories and ubuntu is not recommended
[05:54] <LinuxJones> Exasparilla, if you don't go crazy and just want a few packages not available in Ubuntu you will probably be ok
[05:54] <Exasparilla> LinuxJones: I heard that, but if universe *is* a debian repo...
[05:55] <LinuxJones> Exasparilla, universe it is not necessarily only debian unstable as far as I know
[05:55] <tehmiller> yay for mplayer!
[05:56] <Exasparilla> oh
[05:56] <linux_mafia> universe is not a *debian* repo, the packages are built against ubuntu main
[05:56] <tehmiller> lots of dvds eh Tomcat_ ?
[05:57] <Tomcat_> Heh... actually yes...
[05:57] <Tomcat_> Although it could have been another disk which has only apps and personal data...
[05:57] <tehmiller> curses :(
[05:58] <tehmiller> i want a dvd burner
[05:58] <linux_mafia> buy one, they are dirt cheap
[05:58] <Tomcat_> Oh you mean for backup? I back the data up on my other disk and my Dad's PC :)
[05:58] <tehmiller> that requires spending of funds
[05:58] <Exasparilla> linux_mafia: built against ubuntu main, but the same packages as in debian unstable at the time of freezing?
[05:58] <tehmiller> which will incur the bitching of the girlfriend
[05:58] <tehmiller> which will not be joyful
[05:59] <LinuxJones> tehmiller, tell her the old cd recorder died or something
[05:59] <linux_mafia> Exasparilla, yep
[05:59] <tehmiller> lol
[05:59] <gravies_> despite 8 yrs linux experience i find myself lost as ever :-)  ... can't ping localhost ??? /etc/hosts ok... route looks normal... maybe this is why gnome stops?
[05:59] <Exasparilla> linux_mafia: well, thank you.
[06:00] <linux_mafia> tehmiller - yeah, but if they like $150 NZD, they must be like $30 USD
[06:00] <tehmiller> last i checked they were around 75 US
[06:00] <tehmiller> that was this past christmas
[06:00] <linux_mafia> ok
[06:00] <Tomcat_> gravies_: What error on ping?
[06:00] <gravies_> just sits... no ack
[06:00] <Tomcat_> Oi.
[06:00] <gravies_> but can ping www.google.
[06:01] <LinuxJones> gravies_, what does ifconfig -a output ?
[06:01] <Tomcat_> I noticed recently that my loopback interface wasn't up... so that could have been a problem.
[06:01] <linux_mafia> new zealands pretty good for pc part prices, think cause we close to asia
[06:01] <Exasparilla> gravies_: firewall problem?
[06:01] <gravies_> all looks fine... eth0 lo  all there...
[06:01] <Tomcat_> But in that case you would've gotten "no route" or something
[06:01] <gravies_> i redid with etherconf to make sure and still no joy...
[06:01] <gravies_> never had a problem like this before
[06:02] <LinuxJones> gravies_, I don't kwno what else it could be except a firewall rule like Exasparilla pointed out
[06:02] <topyli> linux_mafia: perhaps that would justify a quick trip to new zealand then, when it's winter here :)
[06:02] <gravies_> no firewall by default in ubuntu? is there?
[06:02] <LinuxJones> nope
[06:02] <linux_mafia> gravies_, whats in /etc/hosts ?
[06:02] <gravies_> iptables gives nothing
[06:02] <linux_mafia> topyli, where are you?
[06:03] <gravies_> hosts gives standard ## etherconf DEBCONF AREA stuff
[06:03] <topyli> linux_mafia: finland. so perhaps the savings wouldn't be so great after all
[06:03] <gravies_> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost is there...
[06:03] <linux_mafia> yay, home of black metal
[06:03] <topyli> sure
[06:03] <topyli> and linux
[06:03] <topyli> and irc
[06:04] <topyli> :D
[06:04] <tehmiller> wtf, wheres services-admin?
[06:04] <gravies_> and fush and chups
[06:05] <gravies_> ok... fyi ... /etc/init.d/networking restart did the trick... no ideal what was wrong...
[06:05] <linux_mafia> gravies_, fush and chups>
[06:05] <linux_mafia> ?
[06:06] <gravies_> it is the way NZers pronounce fish and chips :-)
[06:06] <gravies_> standard joke by all people from Oz...
[06:06] <linux_mafia> whatever buddy
[06:07] <DJCobol> is there a JRE package available through apt that maybe I'm not seeing?
[06:07] <linux_mafia> DJCobol, negative
[06:07] <tehmiller> where is the services gnome-system-tools app at?
[06:07] <DJCobol> crap
[06:07] <DJCobol> well, thanks
[06:08] <LinuxJones> tehmiller, what apps are they ?
[06:08] <gravies_> gnome 2.8 comes alive... obviously couldn't talk to localhost = wait forever = not tell anyone = me very confused... thanks for the help guys...
[06:09] <tehmiller> like users-admin, its called services-admin
[06:09] <tehmiller> i want to edit my services in ubuntu, but i cant find the damn app
[06:09] <LinuxJones> tehmiller, apt-get install gnome-system-tools
[06:09] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, not included in ubuntus set
[06:09] <tehmiller> for what insane and useless reason?
[06:09] <Keybuk> tehmiller: just play with the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d directly
[06:09] <topyli> gravies_: it's not obeying the standard rule of failing LOUDLY when failing :(
[06:10] <amphi> tehmiller: ubuntu has update-rc.d?
[06:10] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, from the mouth of jdub: It's not supported by upstream or by Ubuntu. Ideally, desktop users
[06:10] <linux_mafia> should not need a tool like this (particularly the current interaction
[06:10] <linux_mafia> design), and server administrators definitely shouldn't need it. :-)
[06:10] <tehmiller> its just a matter of convience
[06:10] <tehmiller> do i NEED it? no
[06:11] <tehmiller> would it be helpful? yes
[06:11] <Keybuk> it's not helpful
[06:11] <Keybuk> the UI is seriously terrible; it's far easier to just play with the symlinks yourself
[06:11] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, apt-get install rcconf
[06:11] <tehmiller> it is when youre unfamilair with the runlevels and default services of a partiuclar distro
[06:12] <Keybuk> tehmiller: the UI assumes equal familiarity
[06:12] <Keybuk> Ubuntu, like Debian, has an "installed services start automatically" policy.  If you want (e.g.) a name server to start, you just install one
[06:13] <deFrysk> no updates for the last 20some hrs, does that mean anything ? or is it sunday ?
[06:13] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, apt-get install rcconf, it is the tui for update-rc.d
[06:13] <octalc0de> how come mplayer isn't in the apt repository? ?=(
[06:14] <tehmiller> Keybuk, well thats apparently not applied to ssh
[06:14] <tehmiller> which is what prompted this little episode
[06:14] <tehmiller> linux_mafia, ok
[06:14] <Keybuk> tehmiller: the openssh package only contains the client, install the openssh-server package
[06:14] <tehmiller> Keybuk, did
[06:14] <tof_> hi all
[06:14] <Keybuk> tehmiller: it should be running then
[06:14] <tehmiller> the user-seperate thing kills it
[06:15] <Keybuk> user-separate ?
[06:15] <tehmiller> 1 sec, i'll post exact error
[06:15] <zyklonb> hello everyone. I have a problem installing ubuntu. when I install it, it goes through the install up until it's installing something at about 20% (sorry I forget what) then it goes to a red screen with an error. I tried burning to different media, tired redownloading and burning again, but the same problem. I made an empty partition in the middle of the drive and tired that, but the install still failed. Debian will install on this dri
[06:15] <linux_mafia> zyklonb, that is a shitty nick bro
[06:16] <tehmiller^2> Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdPrivilege separation user sshd does not exist
[06:16] <tseng> ya it is.
[06:16] <linux_mafia> tseng, agreeing with me?
[06:16] <octalc0de> hmm, why is this happening [APT] :
[06:16] <tseng> linux_mafia: ya
[06:16] <octalc0de> patrick@bigamd:~ $ sudo apt-get update
[06:16] <octalc0de> Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Sources [791B]
[06:16] <octalc0de> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[06:16] <octalc0de> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Sources
[06:16] <octalc0de> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Release
[06:16] <octalc0de> 99% [3 Sources gzip 0]
[06:17] <octalc0de> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[06:17] <tseng> easy killer
[06:17] <linux_mafia> tseng, ok, we form like voltron and your the head
[06:17] <tseng> linux_mafia: pimp.
[06:17] <Keybuk> tehmiller^2: that's very strange ... that user should have been created during the openssh-server postinst script; can you do me a favour, try running "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[06:17] <linux_mafia> pimp?
[06:17] <tehmiller^2> k
[06:17] <Keybuk> let me know if that does anything at all
[06:18] <topyli> tseng: is your mono archive very dangerous to use?
[06:18] <tseng> dangerous?
[06:18] <tehmiller^2> nada Keybuk
[06:18] <cybrjackle|lappy> lol
[06:18] <tseng> it wont kill anything, it just might not work
[06:18] <cybrjackle|lappy> guess you scared him off :)
[06:18] <topyli> tseng: yes, that's what i mean :)
[06:18] <Keybuk> tehmiller^2: and "getent passwd sshd" doesn't say anything?
[06:18] <tseng> like right now monodevelop is missing some deps
[06:18] <tseng> and im not inany rush to fix it
[06:18] <tehmiller^2> nope Keybuk
[06:19] <Keybuk> tehmiller^2: ok, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server"
[06:19] <tehmiller^2> shall i try to reinstall the ssh server
[06:19] <linux_mafia> tseng, whats pimp?
[06:19] <tseng> linux_mafia: decked out
[06:19] <topyli> tseng: ok. just in case i need some apps. not right now
[06:19] <tehmiller^2> Keybuk, bingo
[06:20] <tehmiller^2> now to figure what the hell that meant when it said how to enable X fowarding :\
[06:20] <linux_mafia> tseng, ok, gotya, some iceberg slim type shit
[06:20] <tseng> linux_mafia: ya
[06:20] <Keybuk> tehmiller^2: that's very strange; I've no idea why the postinst script didn't get run properly ... dpkg certainly thinks it did (otherwise the --configure -a would've done it)
[06:20] <tseng> linux_mafia: we'll be badder than voltron x2
[06:20] <Keybuk> tehmiller^2: X11Forwarding option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[06:21] <tehmiller^2> oh, i thought it was saying something about a debian config app to pass -X to heh
[06:21] <tehmiller^2> odd..
[06:21] <tehmiller^2> its turned on in the config
[06:21] <tehmiller^2> oh well
[06:21] <LinuxJones> Can anybody recommend a good Python Book ?
[06:22] <Keybuk> tehmiller^2: then all you need do is pass -X on the client, or stick "ForwardX11 yes" in ~/.ssh/config for the host, etc.
[06:22] <linux_mafia> tseng, fabio has to be part of our formation though
[06:22] <tehmiller> yeah Keybuk, apparently that little dialog is outdated, the default config has it turned on
[06:22] <Micksa> LinuxJones: try http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/
[06:22] <ccharles> LinuxJone: try O'Reilly's 'Programming Python 2nd Ed.'
[06:22] <tseng> linux_mafia: he can be a foot if he has to
[06:22] <LinuxJones> Micksa, ty
[06:22] <linux_mafia> tseng, that'll do him
[06:22] <Keybuk> tehmiller: heh, file a bug on that <g>
[06:23] <LinuxJones> Micksa, ccharles thanks will look at it right now
[06:23] <Keybuk> it does say "the Debian version of ssh"
[06:27] <ioslipstream> LinuxJones: http://diveintopython.org is about as good as they get
[06:30] <Micksa> heh, I have yet to be convinced to learn python
[06:30] <Micksa> too good at perl :)
[06:31] <ioslipstream> Micksa: lol, i used to feel the same as you
[06:31] <LinuxJones> ioslipstream, thanks looks great :)
[06:31] <ioslipstream> LinuxJones: no problem, that was the most helpful of the online books, and i read them all
[06:31] <ioslipstream> most helpful for me anyhow, your mileage may vary
[06:32] <LinuxJones> Python, seems like a good language for someone as dim-whitted as myself :D
[06:32] <LinuxJones> ioslipstream, do you do any graphical apps in Python ?
[06:33] <ioslipstream> LinuxJones: yes
[06:33] <sri> hey is anybody making packages of gnome-vfs that supports dns-sd?
[06:33] <LinuxJones> ioslipstream, is it very difficult to control input/output from other applications ?
[06:34] <defendguin> woo hoo i got menitoned on planet.gnome.org :)
[06:34] <ioslipstream> LinuxJones: not at all... python is an extremely easy language to learn and do useful things with almost right off the bat
[06:34] <ioslipstream> very powerful, flexible, and easy
[06:35] <gravies_> *faq?  How to get vanilla debian's fonts to look as good as ubuntu?
[06:35] <LinuxJones> ioslipstream, awesome !!
[06:35] <nanotech> is python a web lang?
[06:35] <Treenaks> gravies_: they do
[06:35] <LinuxJones> nanotech, scripting language
[06:36] <amphi> with evil significant whitespace :)
[06:37] <linux_mafia> i wouldn't really describe it as a scripting language
[06:37] <topyli> gravies_: set it up the same way :)
[06:37] <hazmat> its an object oriented strongly typed dynamic language
[06:37] <topyli> gravies_: ie. install same fonts, use same config
[06:38] <sri> so is howl packaged for ubuntu at all?
[06:39] <hazmat> its in universe
[06:39] <linux_mafia> thirstin howl?
[06:39] <gravies_> yes, i spent hours setting up debian unstable to look good... ubuntu looks fantastic out of the box... hard work by ubuntu developers or fonts that debian won't let in (non-free)?
[06:39] <linux_mafia> the thir
[06:39] <linux_mafia> third
[06:39] <sri> linux_mafia: the 3ird
[06:39] <sri> oops
[06:39] <sri> hehe
[06:40] <linux_mafia> sri, you like him?
[06:40] <sri> hazmat: does gnome-vfs use it at all?
[06:40] <sri> linux_mafia: only from gilligan's island :)
[06:40] <linux_mafia> oh, i was talking about the rapper
[06:40] <TdC_VgA> hows the RFS4 support in ubuntu?
[06:40] <sri> oh
[06:40] <sri> don't know him
[06:40] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, its not
[06:40] <TdC_VgA> thats what i thought heh
[06:40] <sri> what is RFS4?
[06:40] <TdC_VgA> reiserfs4
[06:40] <Exasparilla> sri: Reiserfs, version 4
[06:41] <TdC_VgA> next release?
[06:41] <ioslipstream> sri: something garaunteed to destroy your data someday
[06:41] <ioslipstream> =p
[06:41] <topyli> gravies_: i don't think ubuntu has non-free fonts out of the box
[06:41] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, no
[06:41] <TdC_VgA> i heard ReiserFS 4 supported NTFS natively? whats with that?
[06:41] <sri> ioslipstream: hehe
[06:41] <atomsk> does anyone know how to mount a usb mass storage device? It gets detected when I plug it but I have no idea how to find which filesystem it uses :/
[06:41] <linux_mafia> supported NTFS natively? what does that mean?
[06:42] <Exasparilla> TdC_VgA: that doesn't make any sense.  they're totally different, and I've never heard that
[06:42] <Exasparilla> unless NTFS is also an acronym for something else
[06:42] <gravies_> atomsk: try fdisk /dev/sda
[06:42] <TdC_VgA> yeah it didnt make any sense to me either.. it was on some FAQ about mounting ntfs a friend found.
[06:42] <TdC_VgA> trying to find it again
[06:42] <Treenaks> yusufg: maybe some distribution supports both..
[06:42] <sri> it doesnt look like gnome-vfs htough iwll use howl :/
[06:43] <Treenaks> sri: not yet?
[06:43] <TdC_VgA> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/ateQuestionNResponse/0,289625,sid39_cid594334_tax293691,00.html (that's it... use BugMeNot to login)
[06:43] <sri> Treenaks: yeah, probably not yet.  I'm sure it'll come but I'm just impatient
[06:43] <ioslipstream> atomsk: try auto instead of manually specifying a filesystem
[06:43] <TdC_VgA> makes no sense to me
[06:43] <Treenaks> sri: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-vfs-list/2004-June/msg00005.html :P
[06:43] <ioslipstream> mount -t auto /foo /bar
[06:43] <sri> Treenaks: oh I know it's integrated in gnome-vfs, but the deb package needs to include it.
[06:44] <Treenaks> sri: file a bug, the packages are in universe..
[06:44] <sri> Treenaks: and since I didn't see any dependency for howl for gnome-vfs I assumed it's not incorporated.
[06:44] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: any reason there wont be RFS4 support in the next release?
[06:44] <Exasparilla> TdC_VgA: email address?
[06:44] <TdC_VgA><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is what bugmenot gave me
[06:44] <gravies_> atomsk:  fdisk -l /dev/sda will give you a partition list... find the one you want and then mount -t auto /dev/sdaX /mnt
[06:45] <atomsk> thanks guys I will try these when I get the chance
[06:45] <TdC_VgA> putting Ubuntu on my averatec laptop right now, does it have Synaptic Touchpad support nativly or do i need to install the drivers?
[06:46] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, a patch to fix grub to support rfs4 broke something else, blah blah blah, you can set it up yourself though, kernel supports it of course
[06:46] <TdC_VgA> 2.6 kernel correct?
[06:46] <linux_mafia> hen hao
[06:46] <Exasparilla> TdC_VgA: the login's not working.  doesn't matter.  it can't mean what you thought it did :)
[06:47] <TdC_VgA> i can paste the text.. does this # have a paste board?
[06:47] <guptan> Hi Room
[06:47] <TdC_VgA> http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=3185
[06:47] <guptan> can I add debian apt repositories to ubuntu source list?
[06:47] <TdC_VgA> there we go
[06:47] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, you need to patch kernel though, or use an mm kernel
[06:48] <TdC_VgA> k
[06:48] <LinuxJones> guptan, it's not recommended
[06:48] <linux_mafia> wtf is that shit roflmao
[06:49] <TdC_VgA> the "ntfs" thing?
[06:49] <guptan> LinuxJones, there is no software like acrobat in my synaptic list
[06:49] <linux_mafia> yeah
[06:49] <TdC_VgA> it seemed very very very strange to me
[06:49] <LinuxJones> guptan, you need to view .pdf files ?
[06:49] <TdC_VgA> it's on ibms supposed "expert" responses or whatever lol
[06:49] <Exasparilla> TdC_VgA: Ah.  They must mean using reiser INSTEAD of ntfs on the xp side
[06:49] <Exasparilla> i do think windows can support reiser
[06:49] <TdC_VgA> Exasparilla: is that possible?
[06:49] <guptan> LinuxJones, I want to view pdf files in firefox using pdf plugin
[06:50] <TdC_VgA> interesting.. i didnt know that
[06:50] <guptan> LinuxJones, there is no Mplayer too. Where can I find these programs
[06:50] <TdC_VgA> hell i'll format my protable hd with reiser then
[06:50] <LinuxJones> guptan, don't they have the plugin available in the mozilla website ?
[06:51] <guptan> LinuxJones, they ask to install adobe reader then copy one .so file to .mozilla/plugins directory
[06:51] <guptan> I'm doing that job for Java now, I want acrobat also :)
[06:51] <linux_mafia> windows cannot run on reiser
[06:51] <Exasparilla> TdC_VgA: rfstool rfsgui - don't know if you can actually run windows on a reiser partition, though
[06:51] <topyli> guptan: acroread, the plugin and mustimedia packages are in Christian Marillat's repository for unstable. seems to work for ubuntu too.
[06:51] <LinuxJones> guptan, xpdf is installed by default
[06:52] <LinuxJones> guptan, you can get mplayer @ apt-get.org probably
[06:52] <TdC_VgA> yeah i just checked em out.. interesting stuf
[06:52] <TdC_VgA> f
[06:52] <Exasparilla> TdC_VgA: That post was insane.  You can access reiser partitions from windows, though.
[06:52] <TdC_VgA> probally not a bad idea for my Portable HD...
[06:52] <TdC_VgA> Lots of updates to warty after install i see..
[06:53] <TdC_VgA> I hate this built in Broadcom WiFi device.. since there's no native drivers always have to install those damn NDISWrappers then the windows drivers, ick.
[06:53] <guptan> So you guys think, adding debian apt repository to ubuntu is a BAD idea ?
[06:53] <TdC_VgA> guptan: assume it just means they're not verified to work
[06:54] <guptan> hmmm
[06:54] <Treenaks> and upgrading might break stuff
[06:54] <topyli> guptan: don't use it for upgrades, just grab what you need and then comment it out again
[06:54] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, get a prog called rfsgui, to access reiser parts from win
[06:55] <TdC_VgA> is there any reason openoffice is being downloaded/updated after installing warty? has there been a maintence release or something?
[06:55] <topyli> guptan: it's debian unstable anyway, so if it breaks, well, tough :)
[06:55] <linux_mafia> guptan, if you do like topyli said you will be fine, i have a few debian proper packages, you need them if you want to watch dvds
[06:55] <TdC_VgA> 1.1.2-2 it looks like... hmm guess -1 is on the CD?
[06:56] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: using MPlayer for DVD support?
[06:56] <guptan> I was actually planning to add debian stable packages.
[06:56] <topyli> no you need unstable
[06:56] <Treenaks> guptan: uh... tried looking in Universe ?
[06:56] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, no, you need libdvdcss
[06:56] <deFrysk> can anyone explain why firefox crashes with java pages ?
[06:56] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: gotcha..
[06:57] <guptan> stable or unstable: I'm looking for Mplayer, acrobat, java, wma plugins
[06:57] <TdC_VgA> deFrysk: using Blackhawk or Suns JRE?
[06:57] <deFrysk> suns
[06:57] <TdC_VgA> odd..
[06:57] <deFrysk> wrong one ?
[06:57] <TdC_VgA> 1.5 or 1.4.2_05?
[06:57] <deFrysk> 1.5
[06:57] <Treenaks> guptan: you don't want acrobat, it sucks compared to xpdf
[06:57] <Treenaks> (and even xpdf sucks..)
[06:57] <TdC_VgA> deFrysk: could be the 1.5... not 100% sure
[06:57] <linux_mafia> guptan, Treenaks is right
[06:57] <TdC_VgA> try it with 1.4.2_05
[06:58] <guptan> Treenaks, I need a plugin to read pdf files in browser ie Firefox
[06:58] <deFrysk> TdC_VgA, k
[06:58] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, im using 1.5
[06:58] <TdC_VgA> deFrysk: also did you make sure the link to the JRE was correct under firefox?
[06:58] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, i just made my own debs
[06:58] <deFrysk> TdC_VgA, sorry I use 1.4,2.05
[06:58] <deFrysk> ln -s blah ?
[06:58] <deFrysk> sure i did
[06:59] <TdC_VgA> yeah i need to run 1.5 and Eclipse under this new machine.. no problems there i assume
[06:59] <TdC_VgA> nice mirrors.. 341k a sec.. 201 megs in 9 min heh
[07:00] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, i used these instructions http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[07:00] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, to install j2sdk 1.5
[07:00] <TdC_VgA> need to bookmark those.
[07:01] <TdC_VgA> thanks =)
[07:01] <deFrysk> where can i get java 1.5 ?
[07:01] <TdC_VgA> ugh, linux has the worst support for my laptop heh
[07:01] <deFrysk> j2re that is
[07:01] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, www.sun.com
[07:02] <linux_mafia> funnily enough
[07:02] <linux_mafia> ;)
[07:02] <deFrysk> :D
[07:02] <linux_mafia> only released 2 days ago i think
[07:03] <TdC_VgA> -epia patch applied to the default kernel in ubuntu?
[07:04] <TdC_VgA> ah, i dont care as long as my video works in VESA i'll be happy.. dont need any advanced graphics anyway.
[07:04] <guptan> which is better Sun JRE or Blackdown?
[07:05] <linux_mafia> sun id say
[07:05] <ama> same
[07:05] <linux_mafia> may as well use the one from the people who invented it
[07:05] <TdC_VgA> sun
[07:05] <TdC_VgA> totally sun
[07:05] <fred> Hello
[07:05] <hello> hi
[07:05] <guptan> yeah!
[07:05] <TdC_VgA> blackdown is slowwwwww or can be
[07:06] <LinuxJones> Unfortunately Sun is being run by a collection of total idiots
[07:06] <guptan> but my firefox quits when using sun java
[07:06] <TdC_VgA> ubuntu have any ports open by default? ssh, telnet, etc?
[07:06] <linux_mafia> LinuxJones, haha
[07:06] <fred> I'm looking for prepackaged ethereal and vlc
[07:06] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, no
[07:06] <fred> powerpc
[07:06] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: excellent
[07:06] <ama> i remember when redhat used to have daemons running by default
[07:06] <ama> well when i used it
[07:06] <ama> that really bugged me
[07:06] <deFrysk> man sun is a pain to find anything
[07:07] <TdC_VgA> they used to launch Telent, Apache, Postgresql if you installed it, and a few others.. it was insane
[07:07] <ama> because who needs to really run a telnet and ssh and apache, when you are using a desktop :/
[07:07] <TdC_VgA> java.sun.com
[07:07] <deFrysk> gonna deb it with alien :)
[07:07] <TdC_VgA> i'll put ssh on but that's about it.. maybe VNC
[07:07] <guptan> Oh, I installed java and linked java plugin to firefox plugin directory, but firefox crashes when using JAVA :|
[07:08] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, https://sdlcweb2a.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet/LegalPage:~:com.sun.sunit.sdlc.content.LegalWebPageInfo;jsessionid=sdlcweb2a.sun.com-cdd3%3A416031d0%3Aa2d1ad76ae89535
[07:08] <TdC_VgA> i think what got me to try out Ubuntu was one 1) gnome by default 2) (the biggie) firefox by default
[07:08] <deFrysk> linux_mafia, I know ;)
[07:08] <TdC_VgA> just made me happy to see someone doing things right heh
[07:09] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, dont do that, use the link i posted awhile back, http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[07:09] <topyli> guptan: you probably used the wrong plugin. use the one compiled with gcc32
[07:09] <zapata> hei
[07:09] <Tomcat_> "Installing the Ubuntu base system"...
[07:09] <guptan> topyli, I used gcc32 one
[07:09] <topyli> well, it's not that then
[07:10] <guptan> topyli, any idea what cud be the problem. Actually the site designed for IE. But I've user agent switcher extension for firefox
[07:10] <wm_eddie> Woo! XFCE4.2 beta1!
[07:11] <deFrysk> linux_mafia, what do you want me to do with that page ?
[07:11] <topyli> guptan: no idea. any other java site works?
[07:11] <TdC_VgA> i hope this synaptics touch pad just works..
[07:11] <TdC_VgA> the less drivers to install the better
[07:11] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, i thought you wanted to make a java deb?
[07:11] <guptan> topyli, let me see
[07:12] <deFrysk> linux_mafia, yes , but i know ho to do that ;)
[07:12] <TdC_VgA> i will soon enough though
[07:13] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, ok, yeah i thought you did, aren't you a dev?
[07:13] <deFrysk> no not a dev
[07:13] <jemfinch> I thought ubuntu was a new thing.
[07:13] <deFrysk> just trying to find a way not to crash firefox
[07:13] <linux_mafia> you used to be in #debian alot yeah?
[07:13] <jemfinch> but there are 221 people here :)
[07:14] <gravies_>  /. effect...
[07:14] <deFrysk> now for the test....
[07:14] <LinuxJones> jemfinch, I think that there will be over 400 when Warty gets officially released !!
[07:14] <jemfinch> gravies_: are you one of the originals? :)
[07:15] <TdC_VgA> how can i change the mouse sesitivity?
[07:15] <defendguin> when did gnome-games start o kick so much ass?
[07:15] <TdC_VgA> sensitivity that is
[07:15] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, did you use the preview release to install? or a daily
[07:16] <LinuxJones> TdC_VgA,  Computer >> Desktop Preferences>>Mouse
[07:16] <ama> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/03/1352252&tid=123&tid=108&tid=155&tid=102&tid=98
[07:16] <TdC_VgA> whatever was on the main download link
[07:16] <ama> if kodak can win this, the whole linux sco debacle seems pausible
[07:16] <deFrysk> hmm , with jre1.5 i get nothing
[07:16] <deFrysk> not even a firefox starting up
[07:17] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, wacky mousage is a bug, once you have upgraded it will settle doen
[07:17] <linux_mafia> *down
[07:17] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, so dont fiddle with mouse settings yet
[07:17] <TdC_VgA> didnt it upgrade when i installed?
[07:17] <TdC_VgA> doh! just did.. hehe.. how do i update
[07:17] <TdC_VgA> apt-get update?
[07:17] <deFrysk> nope still no go with 1.5
[07:17] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, yep
[07:18] <linux_mafia> then apt-get upgrade -u
[07:18] <TdC_VgA> cool
[07:18] <linux_mafia> -u just lets you see what its gonna upgrade
[07:18] <LinuxJones> ama, that might explain Sun's recent agreement with Microsoft for 2 billion.
[07:18] <TdC_VgA> alright back in like two hours.. then i'll finish this install.. nice so far though =)
[07:18] <TdC_VgA> gotcha
[07:18] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, how did you install your java?
[07:19] <deFrysk> dpkg -i
[07:19] <linux_mafia> haha
[07:19] <TdC_VgA> doh
[07:19] <TdC_VgA> i dont think i set a root password
[07:19] <TdC_VgA> hahahaha
[07:19] <deFrysk> sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[07:19] <deFrysk> and done
[07:20] <wm_eddie> TdC_VgA: You don't set a root password in ubuntu, just use sudo
[07:20] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, ok, so you made your own deb, just wanted to say that im using j2sdk 1.5 and firefox has not given me any trouble,
[07:20] <deFrysk> i see
[07:21] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, i did not need to make links manually though
[07:21] <deFrysk> no ?
[07:21] <deFrysk> not needed ?
[07:21] <ama> maybe jones, though i dont see how
[07:21] <ama> i dont understand how kodak could when that :/
[07:21] <ama> even when looking at the actual patents
[07:22] <darksatanic> That first patent reads like a grid computing infrastructure.
[07:22] <ama> wow
[07:22] <ama> win*
[07:23] <ama> when that :/
[07:23] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, you select the corresponding package from http://z42.de/debian/ and it takes care of all that stuff
[07:23] <LinuxJones> ama, I think that maybe Sun knew this was coming and needed to get a large bag of cash from somwhere.
[07:23] <ama> maybe
[07:23] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, in my case sun-j2sdk1.5debian_0.9_all.deb
[07:24] <LinuxJones> I am so sick and tired of hearing about lawsuits but it couldn't happen to a nicer company.
[07:24] <ama> well both my parents are lawyers
[07:24] <ama> but im tired of hearing of stupid lawsuits
[07:24] <ama> like this one, and the sco one
[07:24] <LinuxJones> ya
[07:25] <mjr> LinuxJones, yeah
[07:26] <mjr> At least with the big guys getting hit by stupid patents always has a chance of turning the software patent lobbying tide just a tiny bit. Maybe. One can hope.
[07:27] <ama> its only a matter of time before there are a flood of patent infringement cases against linux
[07:27] <ama> and other open source software
[07:28] <LinuxJones> ama, sadly this is true.
[07:28] <mjr> yep
[07:28] <mjr> I have a feeling they're just waiting for EU to officially adopt them as well
[07:29] <mjr> call me paranoid
[07:31] <topyli> paranoid!
[07:31] <mjr> thanks :)
[07:32] <q2> hi
[07:32] <darksatanic> On amd64, I believe that firefox needs to be compiled with gcc 3.4 to be stable.
[07:33] <darksatanic> Does anyone have any pointers to somewhere I can get a gcc 3.4-compiled firefox from?
[07:33] <darksatanic> (Or a suggestion for how to compile or install one?)
[07:33] <Tomcat_> Yep.
[07:33] <Tomcat_> And hopefully at that point there'll be riots in the streets.
[07:33] <Ranbaz> hello, I have a question about how to install the patch 0.10.1 for firefox. If I start firefox with command line and sudo I can patch it with the "critical update" tool (white arrow on a red circle) but it failed with a "normal" use ?
[07:34] <Tomcat_> Bug in Firefox.
[07:34] <Tomcat_> If nobody else here has a better help, you can read the slashdot comments on the update... I think they worked around the problem somehow.
[07:35] <visik7> I've a problem with the ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> kernel when I try to load any acpi module it says no such device with another distro and kernel 2.4.27 everything is ok
[07:35] <visik7> how can I solve?
[07:36] <Treenaks> visik7: make sure ACPI is available/enabled on your machine
[07:36] <visik7> I know that this is not the right place to ask it but the problem comes with my new ubuntu installation
[07:36] <Treenaks> visik7: or just ignore the messages :)
[07:36] <visik7> Treenaks I say that acpi works fine with 2.4.27
[07:36] <tehmiller> w00t w00t!
[07:36] <visik7> I need acpi
[07:37] <Treenaks> visik7: if it works with 2.4.27, it works with <IP_ADDRESS> -- look at the kernel output, maybe it disables acpi because your BIOS Is from before 1999 ?
[07:37] <dredg> s/1999/2000/
[07:37] <Treenaks> dredg: uh yes
[07:37] <tehmiller> 3d rendering is mine!
[07:37] <LinuxJones> visik7, what happens when you run discover ?
[07:38] <tehmiller> now if it just wasnt on the craptacular xfree
[07:38] <Ranbaz> Thanks Tomcat for the answer. It's time to eat in France, bye
[07:38] <dredg> actually, technically that should be 2001, or your sentence should read "from 2000 or older" </pedant> :)
[07:39] <visik7> maybe I found the problem
[07:39] <Tomcat_> ?
[07:39] <visik7> if I run <IP_ADDRESS> with normal parameters it start to say temperature too high shuting down
[07:39] <visik7> and I'm forced to use acpi=off
[07:40] <visik7> and than I cannot load the acpi modules
[07:40] <visik7> obviously
[07:40] <amphi> visik7: never mind acpi, for me <IP_ADDRESS> broke apm
[07:41] <visik7> who spoke about apm ?
[07:41] <normnmiles> visik7, do you have the latest version of the ubuntu kernel?
[07:42] <jgeorgeson> on a laptop, i've never had much luck on debian with hotplugging a usb mouse. on fedora, i install with just the built in touchpad, and after it's running, i can just plug in my usb wheel mouse and both Just Work. how does ubuntu fair with this?
[07:42] <jgeorgeson> er fare even
[07:42] <jamescube> ok.. fresh install of ubuntu here (well, updated via synaptic).  if i try to play anything in totem, regardless of movie type or audio file, i get the same error.. An error has occured. resource busy or not available.. wtf is that?
[07:42] <visik7> normnmiles if there is a new kernel after the warty release no
[07:43] <normnmiles> i think the latest is <IP_ADDRESS>-3 the one on the warty preview was <IP_ADDRESS>-2.  a developer on the mailing list said the new one had a bunch of patches
[07:43] <visik7> anyway I dunno understand why If I run the kernel normally it start to say temperature too high
[07:44] <visik7> and init 0
[07:44] <visik7> :(
[07:44] <YoussefAssad> question; why all the sudden fuss over ubuntu?
[07:44] <visik7> same problem with knoppix >=3.4
[07:44] <normnmiles> my laptop was running hot also but acpi was not turning the fan on.
[07:44] <ioslipstream> YoussefAssad: partly cause it's new, and partly cause it rocks
[07:44] <normnmiles> upgraded and laptop no hot anymore
[07:44] <visik7> with 2.4.x everything was ok
[07:44] <ioslipstream> the part about it being new would explain the "sudden fuss"
[07:45] <visik7> 2.6 is quite crappy for me
[07:46] <YoussefAssad> ioslipstream, I ask because the marketroid in me smells coordinated awareness blitz, is all
[07:46] <jgeorgeson> no comment on the hotplugging a usb mouse and everything just working or not?
[07:46] <ioslipstream> YoussefAssad: you are right, to a degree, but the distro has funding as well as great devs
[07:46] <visik7> jgeorgeson I install ubuntu with an usb mouse connected
[07:46] <heysteve> does ubuntu have sata support?
[07:46] <visik7> and everything is ok
[07:47] <visik7> jgeorgeson both touchpad and mouse work well
[07:47] <YoussefAssad> ioslipstream, fair enough. I was a debian user once upon a time; I assume ubuntu is built against debian testing or something?
[07:47] <TheMonoTone> are there any floppy boot disks for ubuntu?
[07:47] <jgeorgeson> visik7: with no manual config?
[07:47] <ioslipstream> YoussefAssad: sid, yes
[07:47] <visik7> jgeorgeson yes no manual config
[07:47] <visik7> yes, no manual config
[07:47] <jgeorgeson> visik7: sweet
[07:47] <visik7> :) better
[07:47] <YoussefAssad> ioslipstream, Hmm. Thanks for the info. I'll mull it over.
[07:47] <tvmkid> hi peepz and devs
[07:48] <tvmkid> i tried ubuntu 2 days back and it was wonderfull
[07:48] <visik7> is possible to install kde in ubunutu ?
[07:48] <ioslipstream> YoussefAssad: i was a diehard gentoo user until i tried ubuntu
[07:48] <LinuxJones> tvmkid, hello
[07:48] <linux_mafia> heysteve, yes
[07:48] <TheMonoTone> floppies? anyone?
[07:48] <tvmkid> my thanks and gratitude to all devs :)
[07:48] <jgeorgeson> does warthog have any of the swsusp stuff (or any s2d) built in?
[07:48] <visik7> where is the classic debian "modconf" ?
[07:48] <LinuxJones> ioslipstream, I liked Gentoo but it takes so long to install anything
[07:48] <TheMonoTone> I love ubuntu, but it won't boot off the cd :-(
[07:48] <YoussefAssad> ioslipstream, Mandrake currently here. Thing is, though, I' past the point where I'll switch distros for anything non-critical. But still, I'll take a look-see
[07:49] <jgeorgeson> visik7: i just read on slashdot that there is a FAQ entry for what apt source to enable. I think just enabling universe will give you access to the debian kde packages
[07:49] <LinuxJones> visik7, modconf is not available in Ubuntu :(
[07:49] <tvmkid> we are planning to install ubuntu during our user group's install fest next sturday
[07:49] <tvmkid> saturday
[07:49] <visik7> LinuxJones ?! there is /etc/modules and no modconf ?
[07:49] <ioslipstream> tvmkid: it'll be a short install fest :)
[07:49] <tvmkid> :)
[07:49] <LinuxJones> visik7, yes it is broken
[07:49] <YoussefAssad> tvmkid, hmm. We had a smashing installfest here. I think we still had prep notes up on a wiki somewhere. If you're interested I could dig that up
[07:49] <wiler> What would I install to compile, say, ndiswrapper under Ubuntu? I have a couple of linux-headers packages installed, but it still complains that there's no build directory.
[07:50] <visik7> LinuxJones oh ok
[07:50] <YoussefAssad> we had 3,000+ persons. It was nuts
[07:50] <Deep7> does ubuntu use LVM by chance?
[07:50] <tvmkid> YoussefAssad: that would be wonderfull :)
[07:50] <LinuxJones> visik7, I downloaded the modconf.deb from Debian's repo but it will not add/remove any modules for me
[07:50] <visik7> if I add new hardware to my ubuntu box is it recognized automatically ?
[07:50] <tvmkid> we do not expect such a big croud though
[07:50] <YoussefAssad> tvmkid, okie, looing
[07:50] <jgeorgeson> are there really no north american iso mirrors?
[07:50] <YoussefAssad> tvmkid, we didn't either :)
[07:51] <LinuxJones> Deep7, yes
[07:51] <supertux_> anyone know where i can get a "ubuntu inside" sticker?
[07:51] <TheMonoTone> fsck
[07:51] <tvmkid> YoussefAssad: :)
[07:51] <TheMonoTone> no floppy boot disks eh
[07:52] <linux_mafia> wiler,  "I have a couple of linux-headers packages installed", well are they the correct ones for your kernel? not much good if they're not
[07:52] <jgeorgeson> TheMonoTone, i can't give a definitive answer, but I've never noticed any when looking at the download page
[07:52] <YoussefAssad> tvmkid, here: http://linux-egypt.manalaa.net/index.php/MayInstallFest
[07:52] <LinuxJones> jgeorgeson, I downloaded @ 600 kb/s using bittorrent
[07:52] <TheMonoTone> me either :-(
[07:53] <TheMonoTone> dammit all to hell
[07:53] <TheMonoTone> gotta go find a cdrom drive that works now...
[07:53] <jgeorgeson> LinuxJones: bittorrent has never liked me very much, for some reason
[07:53] <wiler> linux_mafia: I have <headers>-<IP_ADDRESS>-3 and <headers>-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 installed.
[07:53] <LinuxJones> jgeorgeson, it's all of the leeching. 50 people seeding and 500 downloading.
[07:53] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, net install?
[07:54] <tvmkid> YoussefAssad: was this the install fest mentioned in /. ?
[07:54] <linux_mafia> LinuxJones, amen
[07:54] <YoussefAssad> tvmkid, yep
[07:54] <wiler> Oh, I see. Perhaps I have to install the updated linux-image. Pip.
[07:54] <tvmkid> YoussefAssad: cool!!
[07:55] <TheMonoTone> linux_mafia, how would I turn that in to a floppy though?
[07:55] <YoussefAssad> :)
[07:55] <TheMonoTone> I didn't see any docs on it
[07:55] <YoussefAssad> best of luck tvmkid. Think I'll go do something useful now
[07:55] <TheMonoTone> ah nm
[07:56] <TheMonoTone> I found what I needed
[07:56] <linux_mafia> wiler, if youd bothered to look into installing ndiswrapper, you would have found you need the kernel source, not just the headers
[07:56] <TheMonoTone> on the cd /install/README.sbm I believe
[07:56] <TheMonoTone> if anyone else asks
[07:56] <ElVirolo_away> hi all
[07:57] <wiler> linux_mafia: Well, it's jolly nice of you to tell me.
[07:57] <tehmiller> anyone have the ndiswrappers working here?
[07:58] <jk> yup, not on ubuntu though
[07:59] <linux_mafia> wiler, ;)
[07:59] <linux_mafia> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?Distributions
[07:59] <jk> and i have to say, these winxp drivers work better under linux than the respective linux drivers :S
[08:00] <tehmiller> jk, on debian based though?
[08:00] <tof_> which software i can use to burn dvdr from ubuntu ?
[08:00] <jk> tehmiller: slackware
[08:00] <tehmiller> jk, heh, not helpful :P
[08:00] <Treenaks> tof_: just insert the CD
[08:00] <jk> tehmiller: sorry :)
[08:00] <tehmiller> jk, i have em working 100% in gentoo, fc3, and slack
[08:00] <jk> tehmiller: what's the problem?
[08:00] <jk> ah
[08:00] <Treenaks> tof_: the CD burner app will pop up
[08:00] <tof_> nautilus ?
[08:00] <tehmiller> i'm new to building modules on deb based
[08:00] <ElVirolo_away> I think ubuntu is a great distro... but i have a very annoying prob with it (which occurs with several other distros) ... I connect to the net via an adsl modem/router with a static IP... the connection works for a few minutes and then it suddenly stops... i can't connect to the router's web interface, and the only thing i can ping is the router itself... the same problem occurs on Mandrake and SuSE but suprisingly, the connection
[08:01] <ElVirolo_away> can anyone help me ?
[08:01] <Treenaks> tof_: yes, unless you want to burn audio CD,s then you'll want k3b
[08:01] <ElVirolo_away> and the second thing is : is kde 3.3 planned to be availible some day ?
[08:02] <sri_> there is a project called coaster/libburn that probably could use some volunteers to help
[08:02] <Treenaks> ElVirolo_away: next version (hoary) will have the newest kde
[08:03] <ElVirolo_away> Treenaks: ok... but is it possible to have a constantly upgraded "unstable" version like sid ?
[08:03] <Treenaks> ElVirolo_away: not yet, but I've heard that after warty releases, a new snapshot of unstable will be made and stabilized
[08:04] <ElVirolo_away> ok :)
[08:04] <ElVirolo_away> thx
[08:04] <ElVirolo_away> any ideas for my networking problem?
[08:06] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo_away, what kind of card
[08:06] <jemfinch> so who are the actual ubuntu developers here?
[08:06] <jensens> ElVirolo_away: do you have a dhcpclient running?
[08:06] <ElVirolo> I have a realtek network card which is pretty standard
[08:06] <ElVirolo> i do not have dhcpclient running
[08:07] <ElVirolo> i don't think so anyway
[08:07] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, what kind? specifics always get quicker better answers
[08:07] <Mitario> hmm, how do I convert utf 8 to the locale ubuntu uses?
[08:07] <jensens> ElVirolo: if the connection stops and youre only able to ping the router it looks like somethings is setting your route wrong automagically
[08:08] <ElVirolo> linux_mafiasorry, it's a  Fast Ethernet PCI Realtek RTL8139 Family
[08:09] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, 8139cp or 8139too module?
[08:09] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: 8139too
[08:09] <linux_mafia> Mitario, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:10] <jgeorgeson> is there any s2d support packaged into ubuntu warty?
[08:12] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, does the card actually die? can it still ping itself?
[08:12] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, sorry you can still ping the router cant you
[08:12] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: no it's still there and pings itself
[08:12] <ElVirolo> yup :)
[08:13] <linux_mafia> whats in your /etc/resolv.conf? and are you setting the cards ip manually?
[08:14] <ElVirolo> i am indeed setting it up manually, and the dns is <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:14] <ElVirolo> (the router itself)
[08:15] <linux_mafia> what ip you give the card?
[08:15] <ElVirolo> <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:15] <linux_mafia> does your router do dhcp?
[08:15] <wsx> hi!
[08:16] <ElVirolo> no, that's the problem : it has a dhcp server for the usb port, but not the ethernet port
[08:16] <ElVirolo> and i can't change it, as I am hiring the router from my isp
[08:16] <linux_mafia> what router?
[08:17] <wsx> could anybody explain (in newbie-fashion) how to add mp3-playing into my fresh ubuntu-install?
[08:17] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: a Comtrend CT-600 VOIP router
[08:17] <jensens> wsx: sudo apt-get install xmms (i prefer xmms)
[08:18] <dredg> wsx: 1. have a working soundcard and speaker setup. 2. have some mp3s. 3. use an app like rhythmbox to play them. 4. rejoice and feel happy.
[08:18] <vrln> wsx: ubuntu supports mp3 playing out the the box, you don't have to tweak anything. Just get any mp3 player and it should work
[08:18] <vrln> assuming your alsa is working that is
[08:18] <azeem> vrln: really? I thought it didn't initially. Did they change it?
[08:19] <vrln> as far as I know ubuntu has always supported mp3:s. Fedora is propably the only one that doesn't
[08:19] <dustin_> Quick question, is it possible to convert from a debian system to ubuntu without borking anything?
[08:19] <vrln> I'm not 100% sure by any means though
[08:19] <wsx> argh! it is really THAT easy? Damn! Ok, thanks a lot. I'll try it...
[08:19] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, i dont believe that it only does dhcp on the usb interface, that dosent make sense
[08:20] <dpro> Hey
[08:20] <dpro> i have a little question
[08:20] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: well, i am positively sure it does
[08:20] <dpro> i want to make my ubuntu not to search for internet at startup
[08:20] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, have you tried?
[08:21] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: the debian installer doesn't find a dhcp server on the router ...
[08:21] <Erix> hi
[08:21] <ElVirolo> neither does diskdrake nor yast
[08:22] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, i didnt mean i dont believe you, i just meant "i dont believe it" it seems strange
[08:22] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, what does route show?
[08:22] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: i understand :)
[08:22] <ElVirolo> hum
[08:24] <ElVirolo> i did that before with another guy, and it turned out route was showing the right stuff until it "disconnected" and then didn't show up anything... i'm sorry not to be able to give more detail but as you can understand, i am not using ubuntu right now
[08:24] <linux_mafia> opk
[08:24] <linux_mafia> ok
[08:24] <linux_mafia> even
[08:25] <dpro> hey do you even see what i write?
[08:25] <linux_mafia> dpro, no
[08:25] <linux_mafia> dpro, cant see it
[08:25] <dpro> heh ok
[08:25] <dpro> i'll try again
[08:25] <dpro> i want to make my ubuntu not to search for internet at startup
[08:25] <dpro> how can i do that?
[08:26] <linux_mafia> dpro, whats "search for the Internet" mean?
[08:26] <TheMonoTone> what a pain in the ass
[08:26] <TheMonoTone> need to nab a cdrom drive from work...
[08:26] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, you get netinst sussed?
[08:26] <TheMonoTone> no
[08:26] <TheMonoTone> had to steal a drive from my other computer
[08:26] <dpro> well.. at startup its startingup eth0 and then it wants to startup the network
[08:27] <TheMonoTone> they need to do something about floppy install
[08:27] <dpro> i dont want it to startup the network
[08:27] <TheMonoTone> not every computer has a cdrom drive...
[08:27] <dredg> I'm sorry, but its 2004. id like to see the demise of the floppy, preferably noe. thanks.
[08:28] <TheMonoTone> dredg, no thanks pal
[08:28] <TheMonoTone> that little floppy drive has saved me many times
[08:28] <TheMonoTone> every computer has one
[08:28] <TheMonoTone> or just about
[08:28] <dredg> mine doesnt
[08:28] <amphi> TheMonoTone: yeah
[08:29] <TheMonoTone> dredg, then your missing out :-)
[08:29] <dredg> no, im missing nothing :)
[08:29] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: i have to go pretty soon
[08:29] <dredg> nasty fragile little things :)
[08:30] <ElVirolo> thx a lot for your help :)
[08:30] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, no worries
[08:30] <amphi> dredg: they are that, but damn handy occasionally
[08:30] <TheMonoTone> well, let me know when you have to deal with situations where nothing else works
[08:30] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, did you try netboot?
[08:30] <TheMonoTone> what netboot linux_mafia? where are the docs for it eh?
[08:30] <TheMonoTone> its on the cd
[08:31] <TheMonoTone> but no floppy images
[08:31] <dredg> "nothing else" being what, exactly?
[08:31] <hazmat> TheMonoTone, the network is the floppy ;-)
[08:31] <dpro> omg... you ignore me totally
[08:31] <dpro> its so annoying
[08:31] <TheMonoTone> dredg, how do you update your bios?
[08:31] <TheMonoTone> burn a cd with the bios and dos boot?
[08:32] <linux_mafia> dpro, disable your nic
[08:32] <dredg> no, i use my usb key and boot from that
[08:32] <jgeorgeson> dpro: IRC is like that sometimes. if you don't want the network to come up on boot, set a different runlevel as default in /etc/inittab
[08:32] <TheMonoTone> dredg, what happens if the computer doesn't boot from usb?
[08:32] <TheMonoTone> I'm perfectly satisfied with my p3 1ghz
[08:33] <TheMonoTone> not about to go spend another $500 on a mobo, cpu, and ram, just so I can ditch the floppy drive
[08:33] <TheMonoTone> there are plenty of old computers still around
[08:33] <jgeorgeson> TheMonoTone, Roxio and Nero, and I would hope the linux tools, can take a CD image and create a bootable CD. and most recent BIOSes I've used can be flash updated from within a running OS
[08:33] <linux_mafia> dpro, computer -> system config -> networking -> disable start card on boot
[08:33] <TheMonoTone> and they aren't going anywhere while they work fine
[08:33] <fragment> Hey, anyone familiar with Terminal Server Client?
[08:33] <TheMonoTone> my job still runs mostly p2 350mhz dells, they work fine for web, word, and email, those people don't need anything better
[08:34] <TheMonoTone> so they aren't going to spend the money on it
[08:34] <jgeorgeson> TheMonoTone: didn't dredg say new computers should ship without floppies? they make sens on old machines, but not new ones
[08:34] <hazmat> dpro, remove the symlinks and the network dependent services from the appropriate run levels in /etc/rc*
[08:34] <dredg> TheMonoTone: meh. as i said its 2004 and id like the floppy to go away. your system clearly isnt from 2004, so who cares?
[08:34] <linux_mafia> jesus
[08:34] <linux_mafia> and the care bears
[08:34] <hazmat> dpro, nm.. linux_mafia's solution is much nicer.
[08:34] <hazmat> thats cool
[08:35] <fragment> If you install Windows and your primary drive is on a SCSI controller, it prompts for drivers on floppy (with no other alternative)
[08:35] <fragment> I believe RH still does the same with modules needed at install.
[08:35] <jgeorgeson> hazmat: linux_mafia's solution just does the one card, I thought dpro said no networking on boot
[08:35] <dpro> linux_mafia: thank you guys!
[08:35] <dredg> rh driver disks can use cdroms
[08:35] <fragment> dredg, Sweet
[08:35] <dpro> whoops
[08:35] <dpro> thank you guys
[08:36] <dredg> i know this cos i had to do it last week on a shiney new dell with a shiney new (red: unsupported) scsi raid card
[08:36] <fragment> dredg, So it's only MS that's schitzophrenic about getting rid of legacy devices.
[08:36] <linux_mafia> fragment, which version of win? dont make me talk win in here but, if you make a slipstream disk of xp with sp2, no floppies needed for anything anymore i think
[08:36] <hazmat> jgeorgeson, to me it looks as though you can do multiple network cards there.
[08:36] <dpro> well.. now i have this strange Transmeta Crusoe TM5800 CPU.   I'm wondering if it'll let me create Citrix/ICA sessions with a default icaclient install, or if there's something else I'll have to do to get it in the menu(s).
[08:39] <dredg> demented. damn thing should accept any removable media instead of just floppies
[08:39] <fragment> Trying not to butcher the beautifully clean Ubuntu menus.  :)
[08:40] <dredg> all new servers i get in are floppy-less. getting a floppy drive into these things is more pain than its worth.
[08:40] <jgeorgeson> hazmat: but what about other services. I thought maybe dpro wanted to get rid of all those too. he thanked us, and linux_mafia in specific, so I probably misunderstood the request. but disabling the NICs isn't the same as booting without any networking (booting in runlevel 2)
[08:40] <fragment> All of ours have the slimline CD/floppy thing
[08:41] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, yes but its not gonna "feel" out with no nic, i assume hes probably talking about the ntp sync
[08:42] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: does ubuntu have ntp enabled by default? can that be disabled easily in the install?
[08:43] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, could you use debian proper netinst floppy, then give ubuntu repos?
[08:43] <TheMonoTone> linux_mafia, I don't know
[08:43] <TheMonoTone> I'll try that next time
[08:44] <TheMonoTone> its already installed now though
[08:44] <TheMonoTone> so no big deal
[08:44] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, ntp enabled by default i think, i cant remember telling it to use it, rcconf does not include ntpdate, i suppose you would have to use update-rc.d to turn it off, but i hate cli, if i dont have to use it
[08:45] <dredg> ntpdate is in rcS.d
[08:45] <dredg> which is a bit of a pain, as it runs on my laptop before pcmcia does :)
[08:45] <hazmat> it is does ntp by default... i just assumed there was a dependency system between rc files... like in gentoo ;-)
[08:45] <linux_mafia> dredg, yes its dumb
[08:46] <rapha_> Hi all!
[08:46] <hazmat> hi rapha_
[08:46] <linux_mafia> not high enough :(
[08:46] <rapha_> Is it hard to get a German Ubuntu?
[08:47] <dpro> ehh no... just choose it at installation?
[08:47] <rapha_> Oh. Cool.
[08:47] <dpro> i think so.. it works with danish P:
[08:48] <TheMonoTone> k3b doesn't see my cdrom drive as being burnable, would that mean I need to setup the drive with scsi emulation
[08:48] <TheMonoTone> I've been using freebsd for a few years now...
[08:48] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, using root, er sudo? or as normal user?
[08:48] <rapha_> And everything will be in German? GNOME, Evo and so forth? My gf is getting a computer, and their family is a Windows family. So I'd only like her to see Linux at its best; and she won't accept any English in her OS (sad but true)....
[08:48] <TheMonoTone> sudo
[08:49] <TheMonoTone> oh wait nm
[08:49] <TheMonoTone> haha, I forgot to run it under sudo
[08:49] <dpro> rapha_: im not sure, but most of it will be in german
[08:49] <dpro> not the man pages
[08:49] <dpro> but the rest
[08:51] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, it wouldnt normally matter, you run setup initially as root, and then normal users can burn, but there is a bug/problem with 2.6.8.x that stops that
[08:51] <rapha_> Cool
[08:51] <rapha_> Then I'll be curious as to how Ubuntu will compete with Windows XP for her...
[08:51] <TheMonoTone> ah
[08:51] <TheMonoTone> I'll just make the icon do sudo k3b then
[08:51] <wiler> Well, I went through the steps required to install ndiswrapper, when I try to do 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' I get this: FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[08:51] <linux_mafia> rapha_, i can almost guarantee she will hate spatial
[08:51] <TheMonoTone> thanks
[08:52] <dpro> rapha_: its running very good on my laptop
[08:52] <dpro> rapha_: i was suprised how fast it was
[08:53] <jgeorgeson> rapha_: I'm with linux_mafia on the spatial thing, you might consider setting the preference to browse by default
[08:53] <peringz> how can I know the gcc version on my ubuntu box?
[08:53] <opi> gcc -version
[08:53] <opi> --
[08:53] <opi> or
[08:54] <opi> apt-cache show gcc
[08:54] <a> I get sound at startup but not playing CDs with Ubuntu.  HOw can I fix this?
[08:54] <a> is there a sound mixer?
[08:54] <peringz> gcc command not available
[08:54] <jgeorgeson> a: load the volume mixer and check the CD volume
[08:54] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, if you are interested http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22028&highlight=k3b+root+mmc
[08:54] <peringz> does that mean gcc not installed
[08:54] <opi> peringz: possibly
[08:54] <dpro> peringz: do the apt-cahce show gcc
[08:54] <dredg> peringz: apt-get install build-essential
[08:55] <a> umm... where's the volume mixer?
[08:55] <ama> alsamixer
[08:55] <ama> or kmix
[08:55] <ama> dunno what the gnome is called
[08:55] <octalc0de> why do i get static on my speakers
[08:55] <ama> gmix maybe?
[08:55] <peringz> do I need gcc to run java (blackdown) in my system
[08:55] <amphi> aumix
[08:55] <linux_mafia> peringz, no
[08:55] <opi> peringz: no
[08:55] <opi> peringz: for building stuff, compiling kernel
[08:55] <TheMonoTone> well, time to go put this thing to use now, and type up a few papers
[08:55] <jgeorgeson> a: it will be in the sound/multimedia menu group
[08:55] <peringz> Requirements
[08:56] <peringz>     - i586 compatible system
[08:56] <peringz>     - glibc 2.2.5 or newer
[08:56] <peringz>     - kernel 2.4.18 or newer
[08:56] <peringz>     - XFree 4.2 or newer
[08:56] <peringz>     - libstdc++ from gcc-3.2 or newer (only needed for the gcc-3.2 Java build)
[08:56] <peringz>     - Mozilla 1.0 or newer built with gcc-2.95 or gcc-3.2 depending
[08:56] <peringz>       on which Java build you use (needed only for the Java Plug-In)
[08:56] <opi> r (only needed for the gcc-3.2 Java build)
[08:56] <peringz> ooops sorry
[08:56] <opi> lubstdc++
[08:56] <opi> lib
[08:56] <peringz> okay
[08:56] <jemfinch> opi: that sounds like a Freudian slip.
[08:57] <jgeorgeson> a: you could also click on the volume panel applet, and it will have an option to open the mixer
[08:57] <peringz> so which plugin shud I choose when including plugin for firefox
[08:57] <pyramid> jgeorgeson, how do you set nautilus out of the spatial mode...i too am bothered by this
[08:57] <wiler> Has anyone had trouble loading the ndiswrapper module after installing it?
[08:57] <rapha_> linux_mafia: Hehe. No way. She's gonna get spatial. It was made for people like her, and I'm finding it invaluable myself (being a programmer and power user). Besides I don't think she'll do much file management
[08:58] <opi> jemfinch: nope, Im not native speaker ;p
[08:58] <jgeorgeson> pyramid: off the menu, there should be a file browser entry under preferences. launch it, one of the tabs should have a checkbox to make browsing the default
[08:58] <linux_mafia> pyramid, easy way or hard way?
[08:58] <peringz> i'm confused which blackdown java shud I install gcc one or the other one?
[08:58] <opi> jemfinch: you can translate lub in my language as ,,or'' ;)
[08:58] <jemfinch> heh
[08:59] <pyramid> the easy way for gnome2.8
[08:59] <jemfinch> in English it's sometimes used instead of "luv" which is a replacement for "love"
[08:59] <Sirius_Black> to install ubuntu with 2.6 kernel, what do i do
[08:59] <opi> jemfinch: I dislike sutch English :/
[08:59] <Tomcat_> Sirius_Black: Download the installer CD, then boot from it and install? :D
[08:59] <linux_mafia> pyramid, get gtweakui from debian unstable, install, use
[08:59] <Sirius_Black> Tomcat_: is 2.6.8 the default kernel?
[09:00] <Tomcat_> Yes.
[09:00] <opi> jemfinch: Mine ain't better, yet, I prefer to read good english instead of ,,kiddish''
[09:00] <Sirius_Black> Tomcat_: i thought if just hit enter i would get 2.4 kernel rather tahn 2,6 :-)
[09:00] <pyramid> i am looking at file browser prefernces..but i don't see how to turn the spatial mode off.
[09:01] <opi> jemfinch: all this U instead of you, 2 as too/to and w00t sound silly ;P
[09:01] <jemfinch> hehe
[09:01] <a> I installed aumix, turned up CD volume ... no sound from CD yet.. any ideas?
[09:01] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: is there really no option in the file browser preference app? there is one in fedora, I just assumed it was added upstream
[09:01] <pyramid> i would like it to behave more like konqeror
[09:01] <dpro> can i use debian apt-get mirrors?
[09:01] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, i dont think so, im not actually sure
[09:01] <dpro> cause i need plugins and so on for mozilla...
[09:01] <opi> dpro: IF you have to
[09:02] <opi> dpro: it's not wise to mix Ubuntu with Debian ;)
[09:02] <opi> only, if you have The Skills :)
[09:02] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: i hate when i try a different distro and find such little niceties were added in fedora instead of upstream
[09:02] <linux_mafia> pyramid, really, instead of doing that, run gconf-editor and /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser to true
[09:02] <dpro> opi ok... well... if how do i install plugins for mozilla then?
[09:02] <jgeorgeson> dpor: just enable the 'universe' component of the ubuntu repos
[09:02] <pyramid> the only choices in file browser behavior is double click..run executables...and empty the trash
[09:02] <dpro> if i cant use debian apt-get sources
[09:02] <opi> dpro: you can download it and dpkg -i package
[09:03] <opi> dpro: or use universe
[09:03] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, no you can
[09:03] <dpro> universe?
[09:03] <opi> it's Ubuntu word for outside packages ;)
[09:03] <jgeorgeson> linux
[09:03] <pyramid> i just don't like the way nautilus opens windows everywhere...i prefer to click on a folder and display the results in the same window
[09:03] <a> in sources.list , uncomment the universe sources
[09:03] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: no i can what?
[09:04] <linux_mafia> pyramid, file manager prefs -> behaviour -> behaviour open in browser windows
[09:04] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, that
[09:04] <pyramid> ok i found that checkbox...let me try it out
[09:04] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: sweet. i'm have windows booted right now so I couldn't dig for it myself
[09:04] <a> I get sound at startup, no CD sound,  I turned up CD volume in aumix, stlll no CD sound... how come?
[09:05] <pyramid> yes it is working...fantastic...great job gnome
[09:05] <peringz> how can I uninstall j2re from sun systems?
[09:05] <jgeorgeson> a: do you have the audio cable running from your cd to your sound card?
[09:05] <linux_mafia> a - thats the worst nick ever
[09:05] <a> ya ... bad nick
[09:05] <opi> ;))
[09:05] <linux_mafia> a - do you use analog cable, or dae?
[09:05] <thaw> how long has ubuntu been out for?
[09:05] <a> nothing changed from other installs with CD working
[09:05] <a> analog
[09:05] <jgeorgeson> peringz: I just download from java.sun.com, and run the sh to install it in /usr/local, and then symlink the plugin in .../firefox/plugins
[09:05] <linux_mafia> thaw, about 2 weeks
[09:06] <pyramid> now my next project is to try and get cameras working for GNU/Linux
[09:06] <peringz> jgeorgeson, now I want uninstall j2re any idea how?
[09:06] <pyramid> i finally got a compile on digikam and gtkam
[09:06] <jgeorgeson> pyramid, if you have the gtkam and gphoto stuff installed, you might just be able to plug it in (assuming it's a usb camera)
[09:07] <jgeorgeson> peringz: using my 'install' method just delete the symlink and rm -rf /usr/local/java
[09:07] <peringz> ok thanks
[09:07] <a> pity
[09:07] <pyramid> jgeorgeson, no i had a camera but it worked only on windows..i never could get it to work on linux...but there is a list of cameras in digikam..maybe i should try one of those.
[09:07] <jgeorgeson> a: the mute checkbox isn't checked for the cd channel is it?
[09:08] <a> not according to aumix
[09:08] <linux_mafia> a - apt-get install xmms-cdread
[09:08] <a> it's about 50%
[09:08] <a> ok
[09:08] <pyramid> just like my HP and Brother printers....i never could get them to work in linux...but i finally got epson mfc cx5400 to work in linux
[09:08] <linux_mafia> a - hangon, actually i think thats for dae
[09:09] <q2> HEllo Qo-noS
[09:09] <pyramid> so you know..it is just one step at a time
[09:09] <jgeorgeson> a: do you get any error messages, or does the app think everything is playing fine?
[09:09] <jgeorgeson> pyramid: march on, brave soldier ;
[09:10] <a> xmms thinks it's playing but no sound
[09:10] <jgeorgeson> a: do other apps have the same problem?
[09:11] <a> yup... zinf, etc
[09:11] <jgeorgeson> a: does it work if you run it under sudo?
[09:11] <a> ahh...
[09:12] <jgeorgeson> a: maybe your user should be in the audio group or something (i've had that problem with pure debian before)
[09:12] <a> not under sudo either
[09:13] <LinuxJones> a: is the application saying that it is playing the song ?
[09:13] <jgeorgeson> a: your speakers don't have the volume all the way down do they?
[09:13] <a> nope, I get sound at startup
[09:13] <a> yes app says it's playing
[09:13] <jgeorgeson> a: sounds like quite a party trick you've got there
[09:13] <a> :-)
[09:14] <LinuxJones> a: well it has to be volume turned down
[09:14] <a> huh
[09:14] <jgeorgeson> does ubuntu use x.org? if so what version?
[09:14] <LinuxJones> a: yoursure it is not muted ?
[09:14] <punkass_> did u check alsamixer to make sure volumes are up and not Muted
[09:14] <RandyWalker> hello ubuntu people :)
[09:14] <darksatanic> jgeorgeson: No, it uses XFree86.
[09:14] <a> I checked aumix,
[09:14] <LinuxJones> RandyWalker, hi
[09:14] <normnmiles> jgeorgeson: not this version...but it's planned for next i think
[09:14] <darksatanic> jgeorgeson: It will use X.org in the next version, they claim.
[09:14] <punkass_> run: alsamixer in a terminal
[09:15] <punkass_> normally the only two u need to worry about are Master and PCM
[09:15] <hazmat> next version will be spring next year...
[09:15] <RandyWalker> so... I don't suppose there're ATI AiW drivers for Ubuntu? :)
[09:15] <punkass_> make sure there is no MM at the tops
[09:16] <staticactivity> hello everyone, i've just finished installing ubuntu, its really good
[09:16] <poj> is there a known fix yet for the firefox updater issue ? ;-)
[09:16] <jgeorgeson> 4th times a charm, is there any suspend-to-disk functionality packaged into ubuntu?
[09:16] <poj> I can run firefox as root but thats hardly desireable <G>
[09:16] <LinuxJones> staticactivity, we all feel the same :)
[09:16] <Sirius_Black> is it possible to do just a basic ubuntu install (no X etc etc etc)
[09:17] <LinuxJones> Sirius_Black, yes you can do a base install
[09:17] <hazmat> jgeorgeson, there seems to be some.. yes.. at least it suspends for me on a powerbook
[09:17] <Sirius_Black> LinuxJones: please feel free to elaborate :-)
[09:17] <staticactivity> can i directly edit the xfree config file to change the color depth
[09:17] <jgeorgeson> hazmat: to disk or to ram? (if you remove the power cable and battery, can you still resume)
[09:18] <LinuxJones> Sirius_Black, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions see # 11
[09:18] <jgeorgeson> staticactivity, i can't imagine why not
[09:18] <jemfinch> so ubuntu is a Python-friendly distribution?
[09:18] <LinuxJones> staticactivity, you can also run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:18] <staticactivity> jgeorgeson: I was doubtful as X it was automatically configured
[09:18] <linux_mafia> Sirius_Black, type custom at install prompt
[09:18] <LinuxJones> jemfinch, it's installed by default
[09:19] <punkass_> jemfinch: yes it is
[09:19] <staticactivity> LinuxJones: ok, i'll try that. thanks
[09:19] <jgeorgeson> i'd really love to see someone take the system-config apps from redhat, and package them for debian. that would make my year
[09:19] <jemfinch> why was Python picked?
[09:19] <Sirius_Black> linux_mafia: will that let me do basci install with 2.6 kernel tho'
[09:19] <punkass_> maybe cuz pygtk works well with gnome
[09:19] <LinuxJones> jemfinch, why was it picked for inclusion into Ubuntu ?
[09:20] <jgeorgeson> jemfinch: because python is super wesome
[09:20] <jgeorgeson> super awesome even
[09:20] <jemfinch> LinuxJones: yes :)
[09:20] <jemfinch> oh, super awesome? :)
[09:20] <jemfinch> well, that clinches it.
[09:20] <LinuxJones> jemfinch, it's easy to work with I suppose
[09:20] <jgeorgeson> glad i could help
[09:20] <normnmiles> jemfinch: from faq.."Python is a great glue language. Ubuntu is open to requests for funding work that needs to be done to make Python the most widespread common scripting language on the net."
  Is that enuff?
[09:23] <opi> Sirius_Black: should be enuff
[09:23] <normnmiles> the default install is 1.5g  might be pushing it
[09:23] <opi> Sirius_Black: depends what you're going to install
[09:24] <opi> Sirius_Black: use custom mode and apt-get it by hand
[09:24] <Sirius_Black> tnx opi
[09:25] <jemfinch> jgeorgeson: the reason I was asking why the channel had any bots is because at some point, I can imagine people might want a bot in the channel, and I've just the bot for them :)
[09:25] <sladen> Sirius_Black: the base install is 1248MB + overhead + space for copied packages, so you'll need to choose custom
[09:26] <Sirius_Black> sladen: tnx mate.  lemme start again then :-(
[09:27] <Sirius_Black> is kernel-source-2.6.8 (the one with ubuntu 4.10 CD) on the CD?
[09:27] <opi> Sirius_Black: it's in apt resp. for sure
[09:27] <opi> Sirius_Black: or kernel.org :)
[09:28] <a> my mobo has AC97 onboard sound but I have an SBLive card too... thought that might be the problem, but neither one is working for CD sound .. although there's sound at startup
[09:28] <a> is this another bad karma issue?
[09:28] <opi> can't tell
[09:28] <opi> haven't use analog CD ever :)
[09:30] <a> so tell me... will installing things from universe break my system:  a) sometimes b) never c) don't know  ?
[09:31] <Sirius_Black> d) most of the time :-)
[09:31] <a> universe stuff is compiled with "main" libraries?  does that mean it shouldn't break stuff?
[09:31] <a> seriously... is it risky installing from universe?
[09:32] <LinuxJones> a, it should be ok
[09:32] <LinuxJones> a, I am running some stuff from universe and have no problems
[09:32] <a> "should" ?  on a scale of 1 to 10 means...
[09:32] <a> is this like "unstable" vs. vanilla , etc.  ?
[09:32] <|trey|> a: install them, they are fine... Sirius_Black is just trying to scare you...
[09:33] <LinuxJones> a, It is unsupported software so you take your chances. I can't guarantee that something bad will not happen to your system.
[09:33] <Sirius_Black> a: sorry mate, i was just joking
[09:33] <a> I read unsupported for security updates
[09:33] <|trey|> a: they will begin to come from Sid, so you should be careful (install apt-listbugs), but for the most part, they will be just as stable as other packages, and will fit into your system just fine...
[09:34] <a> can anyone compare this to Libranet's "safe update archive"?  same idea? better?
[09:34] <a> don't think Libranet has 13,000 apps
[09:35] <|trey|> a: I would trust them more then anything from Libranet...  I'm not telling him to use Gentoo... your opinion is useless.
[09:38] <staticactivity> LinuxJones: so can I even mount my ntfs partitions with that
[09:38] <Nomad> where is gkrellm?
[09:38] <a> sorry dude... just being light... try it sometime
[09:38] <LinuxJones> staticactivity, oh yes
[09:39] <normnmiles> nomad you need to install it...sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[09:39] <|trey|> staticactivity: its safe for reading, just don't change too many files  ;)
[09:39] <Nomad> thnx