[08:31] <otaku-san> zorglu_: ya....Firefox is almost a hack for Kubuntu...they want you to use Konq...but Konq doesn't work for me.
[08:31] <otaku-san> Firefox is cool anyways....
[08:31] <josey> well ogg vs mp3
[08:31] <zorglu_> josey: ogg provides better quality than mp3 for the same file size
[08:32] <josey> cool thats what I wanted to hear :)
[08:32] <otaku-san> ands it's opensource
[08:32] <otaku-san> and*
[08:32] <josey> yeah thats why I'm converting my mp3's
[08:32] <Chousuke> mp3 will be free in about two years though
[08:32] <Chousuke> but that's a long time
[08:32] <jhutchins_wk> josey: The problem is if you convert mp3's to ogg, you will loose both what mp3 looses and what ogg looses, which are different.
[08:33] <[GuS] > People... there is a problem in Edgy with USB disk? when i put data on it, i unplug and plug again.. and the disk is empty...
[08:33] <otaku-san> Chousuke: really....where did you get this info?
[08:33] <[GuS] > that happening to me with any USB disk
[08:33] <Chousuke> otaku-san: it's what I've heard.
[08:33] <Chousuke> otaku-san: AFAIK the patents expire on 2008 :)
[08:33] <jhutchins_wk> josey: If you have the original lossless format files or CD's or whatever you can convert those, but if you go mp3 => ogg you will have crap.
[08:33] <Chousuke> jhutchins_wk: not necessarily
[08:34] <otaku-san> Chousuke: well then....opensource Mp3....sounds good
[08:34] <jhutchins_wk> Chousuke: crap being relative.
[08:34] <Chousuke> yeah :P
[08:34] <Chousuke> otaku-san: well, not open source as much as "not burdened by patents"
[08:34] <jhutchins_wk> otaku-san: ogg is generally considered to be a better algorythm, it's significantly newer.
[08:34] <andy> how to make amarok visualisations fullscreen with a particular resolution?
[08:34] <jhutchins_wk> mp3 is OLD.
[08:34] <Chousuke> there are numerous open source mp3 encoders and decoders.
[08:34] <otaku-san> well duh
[08:35] <jhutchins_wk> It's actually MPEG2 layer 3, and they're on like MPEG5 now.
[08:35] <Chousuke> You're just not allowed to use it now :/
[08:36] <jhutchins_wk> Chousuke: Sure you are, it's just a matter of buying the right license.
[08:36] <shadowraven> how would i g about reinstall me wireless driver? i updated my laptop a few days ago and the wireless broke
[08:36] <jhutchins_wk> How do you determine what cute version name you have?
[08:36] <jhutchins_wk> All I know is the number, 6.06.
[08:37] <trappist> jhutchins_wk: lsb_release -a
[08:37] <josey> Does anyone else prefer konquorer to firefox?
[08:37] <josey> konquorer seems to have potential
[08:37] <otaku-san> zorglu_: do you think I should uninstall the mplayer plugin so the totem one can work?
[08:37] <warpzone> josey: I would if I didn't have to switch back to ff all the time, so I just stick with ff
[08:38] <shadowraven> how would i go about reinstalingl my wireless driver? i updated my laptop a few days ago and the wireless broke. I have the wireless 3945
[08:38] <josey> i like the buit in ad filtering
[08:38] <TheGateKeeper> how do you install font?
[08:38] <zorglu_> otaku-san: no idea, i know mine deosnt work, but i never investigate further to make it work
[08:38] <otaku-san> josey: only thing about konq for me....is it just goes way slow on the internet...Firefox goes fast....so I use FF
[08:39] <jhutchins_wk> trappist: Got it, dapper.
[08:39] <warpzone> otaku-san: tried swiftfox? its noticeably faster
[08:39] <otaku-san> zorglu_: I'll just nuke the mplayer....so I don't have clashing players
[08:39] <zorglu_> otaku-san: ok
[08:40] <nuku> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html opera ftw :)
[08:40] <warpzone> Any linux gurus here? I have a maybe tough question
[08:40] <otaku-san> warpzone: hahaha no not like RAM slow...I mean connection slow...I have a good fast connection...Firefox goes fast...and Konq...for some reason goes at dailup speeds
[08:40] <otaku-san> Opera works too
[08:40] <josey> otaku: yeah i think it's slower becuase it waits for the entire page to be loaded before it displays it... or so it seems
[08:41] <Tm_T> warpzone: dunno about guru but spit it out
[08:41] <otaku-san> hahah I was about to say the same thing
[08:41] <otaku-san> josey: hmmm yeah it seems to do that...sometimes...maybe theres an option somewhere.
[08:42] <warpzone> Tm_T: whenever I SSH into my school computer, it has something that colors the text, so its easy to seperate code and whatnot
[08:42] <warpzone> Tm_T: it even works in editors like nano and vim
[08:42] <Tm_T> and?
[08:42] <warpzone> Tm_T: is that a shell script or something I can switch on
[08:42] <zorglu_> warpzone: you have to ask a question to get an answer
[08:42] <otaku-san> that how editors should work with code...Notepad in winbloze distroyed that
[08:42] <warpzone> Tm_T: I want to duplicate it on my compy
[08:43] <warpzone> zorglu_: needed bg info :-P
[08:43] <otaku-san> warpzone: what kind of OS do you have?
[08:43] <otaku-san> cuz you seem not to have Linux
[08:43] <warpzone> no no its linux
[08:43] <zorglu_> ok im lost
[08:43] <warpzone> i think fedora core at the school
[08:43] <otaku-san> ....yeah...I saw...nano..
[08:43] <zorglu_> warpzone: wha tis the question ?
[08:44] <warpzone> zorglu_: is there a way to color the text like kate or gedit do, but in the bash prompt?
[08:44] <otaku-san> warpzone: ahhhh now we get somewhere
[08:44] <nuku> warpzone: look at $PS1 env var :)
[08:44] <zorglu_> warpzone: depends what text you want to colorize ?
[08:44] <trappist> warpzone: vim does syntax hilighting
[08:45] <warpzone> haha sorry guys didnt mean to be redundant
[08:45] <otaku-san> zorglu_: he wants it to color coding so you can figure it out easier...like in kate
[08:45] <zorglu_> otaku-san: in bash ? deosnt make much sence to me :)
[08:46] <jhutchins_wk> warpzone: Some distros are aliasing the bash commands to <command> -color.  That may be what you're seeng.
[08:46] <jhutchins_wk> so ls becomes ls --color
[08:46] <otaku-san> zorglu_: yeah in bash....what coding would you do in bash?  .....Unless he's using it to debug
[08:47] <warpzone> otaku-san: just beginning C stuff
[08:47] <otaku-san> warpzone: ahhhh...C
[08:47] <jhutchins_wk> warpzone: vim-enhanced 7
[08:47] <zorglu_> warpzone: you are coding C in bash ?
[08:47] <Chousuke> warpzone: you need a text editor :P
[08:47] <warpzone> zorglu_: no no I mean I use vim or nano and complice using gcc
[08:47] <zorglu_> warpzone: ok i think you need normal code colorization, kate does it, vim too i think
[08:48] <trappist> yeah vim does
[08:48] <Chousuke> emacs, jed, vim, just about any decent editor :)
[08:48] <nuku> hehe echo "main(int argc, char** argv) {" >> main.c :p
[08:48] <Chousuke> nuku: hehe
[08:48] <warpzone> zorglu_:ooo okie I'll check the aliases too
[08:48] <zorglu_> maybe it is to colorize the error output of gcc ?
[08:49] <warpzone> zorglu_: no I just thought it was neat, made the prompt pretty :-P
[08:49] <zorglu_> warpzone: sorry but what you want is not obvious.
[08:49] <nuku> warpzone: check that you got "vim" installed not just "vim-tiny" as the tiny one does not have syntax highlighting
[08:50] <warpzone> zorglu_: thats cool I have places to check, PSI and default aliases and vim. I've got a direction now
[08:50] <nuku> warpzone: and do something like "echo syntax on >> ~/.vimrc"
[08:50] <zorglu_> warpzone: ok :)
[08:50] <warpzone> alrighty, thanks a bunch guys, didnt mean to overrun the party
[08:51] <nuku> warpzone: we just want to bring a little color in your life :)
[08:51] <warpzone> nuku: I appreciate it :-P
[08:52] <Chousuke> run vimtutor first though
[08:52] <Chousuke> so you learn how to quit the app :P
[08:52] <zorglu_> and never come back :)
[08:52] <warpzone> Chousuke: I used to just mash the keys. iterative process, eventually found out :-P
[08:52] <nuku> haha and feel the power of vim by using :x instead of :wq ;)
[08:53] <warpzone> yeah its more instructor-forced, so not much of a choice
[08:53] <Chousuke> jed is nice too
[08:54] <Chousuke> I went through vimtutor today, actually
[08:55] <|lostbyte|> hi..
[08:55] <warpzone> |lostbyte| howdy
[08:55] <|lostbyte|> Whats that kde program that has msn, yahooo etc..
[08:55] <|lostbyte|> warpzone, hi.
[08:55] <warpzone> kopete
[08:55] <MetaMorfoziS> kopete
[08:55] <trappist> |lostbyte|: kopete
[08:55] <MetaMorfoziS> ;)
[08:55] <trappist> I think we have a consensus
[08:55] <|lostbyte|> argh.. thanks Guys
[08:55] <MetaMorfoziS> little cpmcprd
[08:55] <MetaMorfoziS> little concord
[08:55] <MetaMorfoziS> :D
[08:55] <warpzone> if you dont mind the occasionaly crash. there's also Gaim
[08:56] <MetaMorfoziS> erhm
[08:56] <MetaMorfoziS> for me it never crashed
[08:56] <warpzone> but my KDE disagreed with GTK based stuff
[08:56] <nuku> but first priority was "kde program" :)
[08:56] <MetaMorfoziS> but we hate gtk:)
[08:56] <zorglu_> no we dont hate
[08:57] <Chousuke> I wonder if I should remap capslock to esc
[08:57] <MetaMorfoziS> ;)
[08:57] <MetaMorfoziS> zorglu_:  okay, a big half of this room's users hate it.
[08:57] <warpzone> MEtaMorfoziS: yknow, I still can't decide. I love KDE, but I'm back to Gnome temporarily until I find out why firefox was leaking so badly only in KDE
[08:57] <nuku> we sure do hate GObject and like QObject ;P
[08:57] <zorglu_> MetaMorfoziS: i hope not
[08:57] <MetaMorfoziS> warpzone: the best thing that annyos me is firefox is gtk:/
[08:58] <Chousuke> would be a lot easier if caps lock was esc
[08:58] <nuku> well opera is Qt .. here we go ;)
[08:58] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, i'm familiar with opera
[08:58] <warpzone> MEtaMorfoziS: yeah that and I really wish kTorrent dht protocal was standardized with other clients
[08:59] <MetaMorfoziS> but why that guys can't add extension support erhm?:(((
[09:00] <nuku> well might come with 10.. but i never needed an extension anyway :) (maybe a very little customized buttons or userjs but not mandatory)
[09:00] <MetaMorfoziS> opera is faster in javascript than any other...:( the javascript debugger is better than any other firefox ext:( but it haven't got exts only malvareous widgets, don't have skins, but have some children-faults and the menu-s are idiot...
[09:00] <subi> hola
[09:00] <subi> necesito ayuda por favor
[09:00] <subi> algien puede exarmen una mano???
[09:00] <zorglu_> !es
[09:00] <MetaMorfoziS> nuku: for webdeveloping, i need some very important that - i'think - opera don't have
[09:00] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:00] <Admiral_Chicago> !es > subi
[09:01] <subi> dime
[09:01] <nuku> MetaMorfoziS: what is that? tried the webdeveloper toolbar?
[09:01] <MetaMorfoziS> but firefox like t eat 150%of my ram:(
[09:01] <MetaMorfoziS> nuku fr firefox, yes:)
[09:01] <Admiral_Chicago> zorglu_: for future refence if you do a !command > user they get the message without showing the channel
[09:01] <nuku> MetaMorfoziS: for opera :)
[09:01] <MetaMorfoziS> and colorzilla, and firebug, and others
[09:01] <nuku> MetaMorfoziS: operawiki.info
[09:01] <zorglu_> Admiral_Chicago: i knew this command
[09:01] <MetaMorfoziS> i check
[09:01] <warpzone> firefoxed forced me to restart x a few times a day
[09:02] <nuku> i use the kde color picker ;)
[09:03] <MetaMorfoziS> detto...:D but it's a habit...
[09:03] <MetaMorfoziS> from windows:)
[09:03] <nuku> :)
[09:03] <MetaMorfoziS> sometimes i use that if i forget it
[09:03] <nuku> hehe well its in the upper right corner of my screen so i get always remembered ;)
[09:04] <MetaMorfoziS> earch results: 0 matches for webdeveloper
[09:04] <MetaMorfoziS> i forget it is able in a kicker applet...
[09:04] <nuku> http://operawiki.info/WebDevToolbar
[09:04] <MetaMorfoziS> but anywhere thecolorpicker forms
[09:04] <MetaMorfoziS> you can grab colors
[09:05] <MotorCityMadMan> !flash
[09:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:06] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody have infos about flash 9 for linux?
[09:06] <MotorCityMadMan> !flashplayer
[09:06] <nuku> MetaMorfoziS: just some blogging ..
[09:06] <MetaMorfoziS> yes.. but other?
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> MetaMorfoziS: sec
[09:06] <nuku> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/
[09:06] <nuku> hehe :)
[09:06] <MotorCityMadMan> http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_flash_player9
[09:07] <MenZa> eenteresting
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Hello can anyone help with a complaining scsi Kernel module?
[09:07] <nuku> yeah you can always use wine.. opera runs very fast in wine btw :)
[09:07] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: wow. SCSCI eh?
[09:08] <DaSkreech> Yeah :-)
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i can't help you but good luck man
[09:08] <DaSkreech> It's throwing an error I can't figure out if I can fix
[09:08] <cox377___> does anyone here use MSI motherboards with kubuntu?
[09:10] <Lechero> someone know the day of the official realease of kubuntu edgy?
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> !schedule > Lechero
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> i think its the 21
[09:11] <Lechero> thanks Admiral_Chicago
[09:11] <Lechero> 26 ;)
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> np
[09:13] <MetaMorfoziS> cox377___: yes i have
[09:15] <cox377___> MetaMorfoziS: do u know the MSI utilities app that u can get under windows?
[09:15] <cox377___> MetaMorfoziS: i was wondering if there was something similar for linux?
[09:15] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm only used that crap for updating drivers
[09:15] <MetaMorfoziS> but it is worst forit...
[09:15] <MetaMorfoziS> what other you need?
[09:16] <cox377___> MetaMorfoziS: well that was all, just drivers.. so did u update the drivers for your mobo over and above the standard linux ones?
[09:16] <MetaMorfoziS> i dunno what that can, i don't like the integrated internet explorer based high-skinned apps
[09:16] <MetaMorfoziS> cox377___: linux have all drivers that you need
[09:17] <MetaMorfoziS> i think.
[09:17] <MetaMorfoziS> it supports all standard or welldocumented protocolls, functions, devices...
[09:17] <muthana> ss
[09:17] <cox377___> MetaMorfoziS: yeh i know.. as good as it is i was just wondering if there was anyway using there own drivers.. found it made a massive difference in performance after doing it 4 windowz
[09:18] <MetaMorfoziS> i don't think msi develops drivers for msi
[09:18] <MetaMorfoziS> for linux, sry
[09:18] <MetaMorfoziS> but, i don't think is there a big difference
[09:18] <MetaMorfoziS> between a well driver-ed win and linux
[09:18] <cox377___> Nah.. it was a shot in the dark.. not too worry
[09:19] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm not sensed any difference, btw.
[09:20] <MetaMorfoziS> i have kt880 neo or what... "kt" and 880 is fix, but i don't know from head it's precise type:)
[09:22] <DaSkreech> Is there a Kubuntu DVD?
[09:22] <oheard> Yes
[09:22] <terwilliger> Hi guys. I've yet to be able to set Kubuntu to recognize Thunderbird as default email client, or FF as default browser. Clicking a link in Tbird doesn't launch FF. Clicking a mailto link in FF doesn't launch T'bird. What am I doing wrong?
[09:22] <Surger> DaSkreech: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[09:23] <Surger> Bottom of the page
[09:23] <MetaMorfoziS> terwilliger: forget "system settings"
[09:23] <oheard> terwilliger: change it in the control centre.
[09:23] <MetaMorfoziS> instead use the kcontrol
[09:23] <MetaMorfoziS> and set the default programs
[09:23] <MetaMorfoziS> in kde components
[09:23] <oheard> System Settings has that...
[09:23] <orkid__> is there a way to install kubuntu booting from a 64MB USB (or floppy, or whatever) and doing a net install?
[09:23] <DaSkreech> Surger: Damn :(
[09:24] <terwilliger> 'K. Thanks
[09:24] <MetaMorfoziS> the problem in thunderbird is easy to solve with one line in pref.js iirc, find about it on ubuntuforums.org
[09:24] <finalbeta> After I change/start a song in amarok, the player hangs a couple of seconds. Any idea's why?
[09:24] <Surger> DaSkreech: You don't like DVD isos?
[09:24] <oheard> terwilliger: in System Settings goto KDE Components. :-)
[09:25] <MetaMorfoziS> i said forget it from ratty
[09:25] <MetaMorfoziS> that app is a crap recreation of kcontrol...
[09:25] <MetaMorfoziS> i don't know why it needed
[09:25] <DaSkreech> Surger: No I had a Ubuntu DVD and tried to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and it threw up
[09:26] <Surger> Hmmm ... sounds bad. :)
[09:26] <finalbeta> Seriously, is this normal behaviour for amarok? Stalling for seconds after every song change?
[09:26] <oheard> finalbeta: no, it is not.
[09:27] <terwilliger> OK...checked Kcontrol, and the KDE components are Tbird and FF. It's set right, it just don't act right ;)
[09:27] <maryen> whoo im registered now
[09:27] <MetaMorfoziS> <3s ?
[09:27] <oheard> loves.
[09:27] <oheard> It's a heart see. <3
[09:27] <DaSkreech> Surger: Yeah Kind of hard to keep EVERYTHING in memory
[09:27] <maryen> i like amarok
[09:27] <MetaMorfoziS> and how "hates" writed in leet language?
[09:27] <MetaMorfoziS> :D
[09:28] <maryen> </3 amarok
[09:28] <oheard> idd.
[09:28] <MetaMorfoziS> :DDD
[09:28] <MetaMorfoziS> idd?
[09:28] <oheard> Although it isn't "leet", it's just an emote... :P
[09:28] <oheard> indeed
[09:28] <MetaMorfoziS> sry:)
[09:28] <maryen> terwilliger... ive heard that name before
[09:29] <maryen> simpsons reference?
[09:29] <terwilliger> maryen: Uh...don't think so...
[09:29] <oheard> Past life maybe?
[09:29] <oheard> ;-)
[09:29] <maryen> gah maybe
[09:29] <maryen> i swear ive heard that name used on the simpsons before
[09:30] <oheard> Damn, cheap fast food and chocolate makes me feel funny. :-(
[09:30] <terwilliger> Gotta be a past life. In a past life, I was a plumber's helper in a bathroom in Blind Staggers Arizona. I don't talk about it much
[09:30] <maryen> which i will now go watch
[09:30] <danbuntu> terwilliger is side show bobs surname isn't it?
[09:30] <maryen> that was before you went down the pipes and discovered the mushroom kingdom right?
[09:30] <maryen> omg yes it is!
[09:30] <oheard> Rofl.
[09:30] <terwilliger> Right! How'd you know?
[09:31] <danbuntu> mis spent years at uni
[09:31] <terwilliger> How do you think it makes me feel? Everybody else gets to be Marie Antoinette in a past life, and all I got to talk about is clogged toilets. It's traumatic.
[09:31] <maryen> lol im still at uni, and misspending my years
[09:32] <maryen> you also got to fight koopas and stuff
[09:32] <gupta> which exaclt is the "X11 development package" ?
[09:32] <gupta> exactly
[09:32] <danbuntu> and drive go-karts
[09:32] <terwilliger> Not even that...I wasn't the plumber, I was that plunger thing the plumber uses
[09:32] <maryen> ah, so you traveled with mario
[09:33] <maryen> gupta: xorg-dev
[09:33] <terwilliger> Well...I spent my time sitting behind the toilet in a nice little Queen Ann, so I can't even talk about travels.
[09:33] <gupta> maryen: ok, thanks
[09:33] <oheard> I can see a great novel forming here, "The New Adventures of Plunger and Mario".
[09:33] <maryen> lol
[09:34] <terwilliger> Be well. I'm off to see if I can fix this
[09:35] <maryen> go finish kde 4
[09:35] <maryen> i wants it bad
[09:35] <oheard> xD
[09:36] <danbuntu> or just some decent screenshots
[09:36] <maryen> ya that would be nice too
[09:37] <vonHalenbach-de> me 2
[09:38] <DaSkreech> lol
[09:38] <DaSkreech> danbuntu: It will
[09:38] <maryen> lol it works better than xgl
[09:38] <nuku> :p
[09:38] <vonHalenbach-de> :)
[09:38] <DaSkreech> maryen, vonHalenbach-de: You know that most people are going to skin it to look like windows anyway :)
[09:38] <maryen> or osx
[09:39] <nuku> or kde 3 :)
[09:39] <vonHalenbach-de> Yeah, that may be true, because they feel more familiar with windows look. Feal at home.
[09:39] <vonHalenbach-de> feel
[09:40] <_27147789511060> Soir !
[09:40] <maryen> but this isnt linspire, its kubuntu
[09:40] <vonHalenbach-de> I certainly don't want the vista look.
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Bet no one tries to skin it to look like e ^_^
[09:40] <DaSkreech> LinuxXP :)
[09:40] <vonHalenbach-de> I like to try new things, walk new ways.
[09:40] <MetaMorfoziS> DaSkreech: kde4 is able to run ?
[09:41] <MetaMorfoziS> when it comes out?
[09:41] <maryen> someone needs to skin it to look like fvwm
[09:41] <hacosta_> hi, is there a way to remove all panels from kde
[09:41] <apokryphos> no release date set for KDE 4 yet
[09:41] <hacosta_> including kicker
[09:41] <apokryphos> and no, it doesn't really run
[09:41] <apokryphos> hacosta_: killall -9 kicker
[09:42] <DaSkreech> MetaMorfoziS: Yeah You can apt0-get it in Edgy now if you want
[09:42] <vonHalenbach-de> bye
[09:42] <MetaMorfoziS> hacosta_: why?:D
[09:43] <hacosta_> im going to try it this way
[09:43] <hacosta_> thanks apokryphos
[09:43] <hacosta_> i use alt+f2 to start all my apps anyway
[09:43] <MetaMorfoziS> you know...
[09:43] <apokryphos> hacosta_: yeah, but seeing which apps you have running in some sort of taskbar is useful ;)
[09:43] <DaSkreech> hacosta_: Yes alt+Space :)
[09:44] <apokryphos> not that I use alt+f2 anymore :O. Good ol' kickoff
[09:44] <hacosta_> apokryphos: middle click ftw
[09:44] <apokryphos> kickoff is rapidly making katapult obsolete
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> apokryphos: are you on edgy?
[09:44] <MetaMorfoziS> why you don't want kicker?
[09:44] <Surger> Can someone tell me why I can't run apps on my external USB disk? I get a "sudo: unable to execute ./build.sh: Permission denied" message.
[09:44] <hacosta_> kickoff?
[09:44] <apokryphos> the only thing it can't do now, still, is amarok track-changing
[09:45] <BluesKaj> what does katapult do ?
[09:45] <apokryphos> hacosta_: SUSE KDE Menu
[09:45] <apokryphos> I heard talk that Kubuntu might use it, but I have no idea
[09:45] <apokryphos> !katapult
[09:45] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[09:45] <MetaMorfoziS> Surger: i think its aproblem about the permission system
[09:45] <maryen> katapult rocks
[09:45] <hacosta_> katapult is going to be the default some day?
[09:45] <MetaMorfoziS> i think your storage is vfat
[09:45] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: kickoff?
[09:45] <maryen> i <3 it
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago>   katapult does not work for me at all
[09:45] <apokryphos> Admiral_Chicago: haven't used kubuntu in a couple of months, but I was then
[09:45] <BluesKaj> thx apokryphos
[09:45] <hacosta_> i really like the stanfard alt+fs
[09:45] <Surger> MetaMorfoziS: It's ext3
[09:45] <hacosta_> f2.
[09:46] <MetaMorfoziS> that isn't handles all perms that ext3
[09:46] <MetaMorfoziS> eh
[09:46] <MetaMorfoziS> okay, i don't know then
[09:46] <Surger> MetaMorfoziS: I see the problem - it's mounted with noexec :(
[09:46] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[09:46] <MetaMorfoziS> eheheh
[09:47] <apokryphos> hacosta_: it's good, but limited
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> i think i'm going to purge katapult and reinstall it
[09:47] <apokryphos> why?
[09:47] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Nice. Why would that make katapult obsolete?
[09:47] <Surger> MetaMorfoziS: What app does the auto mounting?
[09:47] <MetaMorfoziS> mount
[09:47] <MetaMorfoziS> your mount list is
[09:47] <hacosta_> katapult doesnt understand for example gg:foo
[09:47] <MetaMorfoziS> /etc/fstab
[09:48] <MetaMorfoziS> if you boot it moutns all thing in fstab
[09:48] <MetaMorfoziS> but you can do it manually: mount -a or umount -a
[09:48] <MetaMorfoziS> (with sudo)
[09:48] <apokryphos> hacosta_: kickoff does :D
[09:48] <Surger> No this is automounted when plugged in - no entry in fstab
[09:49] <nuku> kickoff reads your mind? :)
[09:49] <MetaMorfoziS> oh, that is a kde magic, i dunno that, butif you put a line in fstab, and mount -a it works, imho
[09:49] <MetaMorfoziS> or mount manually
[09:49] <apokryphos> nuku: yup ;-)
[09:49] <DaSkreech> apokryphos, hacosta_: It can :)
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> it says it has started but doen't do aynthing after that
[09:50] <apokryphos> kickoff has beagle incorporated into it
[09:50] <nuku> apokryphos: is thre something more than the flash? like actual sourcecode? ;)
[09:50] <apokryphos> which actually works so well now; no complaints with it
[09:50] <DaSkreech> apokryphos, hacosta_: It's plugin based so it can do most anything that you can type and search for :)
[09:50] <nuku> kickoff is not a nice word to google for :P
[09:50] <apokryphos> nuku: it's been on SUSE 10.2 for some time now
[09:50] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: talking about katapult? Bah.
[09:50] <nuku> apokryphos: any site? before i start messing with keywords?
[09:50] <Admiral_Chicago> apokryphos: sound like a hater to me
[09:51] <wildchild> how do I set up my mic
[09:51] <apokryphos> nuku: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2393
[09:51] <wildchild> It's logitech's
[09:51] <apokryphos> Admiral_Chicago: I like katapult very much, I just think that it's more-or-less obsolete now that kickoff's around
[09:52] <apokryphos> I don't have it auto-starting anymore, since I haven't found myself needing to use it
[09:52] <nuku> apokryphos: thanks i'll give it a try :)
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> apokryphos: ah yes i agree about kickoff
[09:53] <linuxkid2> Does anyone know of a Kicker applet that does Beagle and Google search?
[09:53] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Can You turn off stuff in kickoff?
[09:53] <apokryphos> linuxkid2: kickoff ;-)
[09:54] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: like disable one of the tabs? Not that I know of yet
[09:54] <DaSkreech> Or limit it's search range
[09:54] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: you can, yes
[09:55] <apokryphos> the beagle part to kickoff is essentially kerry-beagle
[09:55] <linuxkid2> I already have Kerry
[09:55] <linuxkid2> Does it integrate?
[09:55] <nuku> apokryphos: are you taking part in development of it?
[09:55] <apokryphos> yes
[09:55] <apokryphos> nope
[09:55] <linuxkid2> ??
[09:56] <nuku> two binary answers in a row confuse people ;)
[09:56] <apokryphos> linuxkid2: as in it does integrate in some ways. It displays search results inline, but for expansion of results etc full kerry window is launched
[09:56] <Admiral_Chicago> linuxkid2: yes it integrates but
[09:56] <apokryphos> it also inherits kerry settings for indexing etc
[09:56] <linuxkid2> sounds ok
[09:57] <Admiral_Chicago> apokryphos: much better than i was going to explain
[09:57] <linuxkid2> I tought that the kerry indexing was Beagle. I once installed XFCE and the Kerry settings imported into Beagle
[09:57] <nuku> quite huge sourcetree ......
[09:57] <apokryphos> linuxkid2: kerry is a kde front-end to beagle, so yes -- you change beagle settings from kerry
[09:57] <linuxkid2> I know. Thanks.
[09:58] <j2daosh> who usesd k3b?
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> j2daosh: i do
[09:58] <apokryphos> j2daosh: the majority of people here
[09:58] <j2daosh> have you ever tried to back up more then 4 gigs on a dvd?
[09:58] <j2daosh> i have 21 gigs of files i need to backup
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> apparent it is popular with GNOME people
[09:58] <nuku> apokryphos: do you know if it has already been "debianized"?
[09:59] <j2daosh> can i just add them all to the project now and when a disc gets full it will ask for another one and continue?
[09:59] <Admiral_Chicago> j2daosh: i don't think so
[09:59] <Phlogistique> j2daosh: tar+bz2 or tar.7z maybe ?
[09:59] <apokryphos> nuku: if there's a debian package? I wouldn't know. Quick search on Google suggests there's instructions apparently for installing it on Ubuntu
[09:59] <j2daosh> dang
[09:59] <j2daosh> ok
[09:59] <j2daosh> thanks
[09:59] <nuku> apokryphos: well still checking out the svn ;)
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> j2daosh: i think you may want to check this out http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page
[10:00] <nuku> apokryphos: well more like the debian/* structure to easily backport it :)
[10:00] <Lechero> is hope xgl on kubuntu edgy?
[10:00] <apokryphos> not yet, I'd guess
[10:00] <DaSkreech> No but faith XGL is
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Lechero: i'm running it...
[10:00] <maryen> wth is hope and fate xgl?
[10:01] <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu edgy beta 1 with XGL/compiz
[10:01] <Lechero> Admiral_Chicago: work fine xgl on kde?
[10:01] <linuxkid2> What package is it in? I searched for Kickoff with Adept but found nothing. I do have Universe enabled.
[10:01] <nuku> linuxkid2:  there is no package for it in the repositories
[10:01] <linuxkid2> :-(
[10:01] <linuxkid2> Compile?
[10:02] <Surger> Does anyone know how the automount thing in KDE works?
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> Lechero: compiz has a memory leak but yes
[10:02] <linuxkid2> Not to well.
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> it took a whilu to install
[10:02] <maryen> which do you like better admiral, xgl or beryl?
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> i kill compiz, get my memory back and restart compiz
[10:02] <maryen> er compiz, or beryl
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> never seen beryl or used it
[10:03] <BluesKaj> !gnormalize
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnormalize - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:03] <nuku> compiz is deprecated beryl is the way to go
[10:03] <linuxkid2> Just curiose, what's E17 like?
[10:03] <maryen> as far as i know, beryl works better with kde than compiz does
[10:03] <Lechero> of course, really i am waiting edgy for the new init :) the xgl is not more important
[10:03] <scion> ello
[10:04] <nuku> and i think xgl will also be replaces by aiglx everywhere..
[10:04] <nuku> replaced
[10:04] <soulrider> does anyone know hwo i can mount an ISO image of linux and make it bootable to be used on vmware ?
[10:04] <maryen> yeah im thinking so too
[10:04] <Lechero> nuku i agree with you
[10:05] <BluesKaj> whynot just dualboot ?
[10:05] <Lechero> soulrider: mount -o loop file.iso /mount/point
[10:05] <maryen>  beryl and aiglx was the first i got running on my own
[10:05] <maryen> though ive seen kororaa with xgl
[10:05] <oheard> soulrider: in the config for the virtual machine change the CD-ROM to an ISO image, you can do that there. :D(-<
[10:05] <soulrider> i tried that i think, but vmware wouldnt boot
[10:05] <soulrider> ahh thanks
[10:05] <linuxkid2> Is there a Kickoff debian package available somewhere?
[10:06] <oheard> linuxkid2: www.apt-get.org should help you with that! :-D
[10:07] <linuxkid2> Might it be in the Seveas repo?
[10:07] <oheard> meh..
[10:07] <oheard> !info kickoff
[10:07] <ubotu> Package kickoff does not exist in any distro I know
[10:10] <brainiacTLB> hooray, linux saved the day
[10:10] <linuxkid2> Um, I don't think I want Kickoff. It's a replacement for KMenu. I want just a little search box for the panel to search either Google or Beagle, like Firefox sorta.
[10:11] <oheard> !info kbfx
[10:11] <brainiacTLB> laptop died, booted off pclinuxOS, copying files to main rig, then installing kubuntu
[10:11] <ubotu> kbfx: a new K-Menu for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.8+cvs20060413-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 193 kB, installed size 804 kB
[10:11] <linuxkid2> thanks, but still, not sure...
[10:11] <oheard> Look at some screenshots on the website. :-)
[10:11] <sredna> linuxkid2: Fir KDE, press ALT + F2 and type "gg: SEARCHPHRASE" to search with google
[10:12] <Lechero> one of the next steps of kubuntu may to have a best solutions for palms devices, now the pda work but when kpilot want and not when you want
[10:12] <nuku> linuxkid2: why not just use the "run command" kicker applet?
[10:12] <sredna> linuxkid2: I do not know if there is a protocol for beagle that works in KDE, but it would probably be quite easy to produce one
[10:12] <nuku> linuxkid2: you could install kio-beagle so you just type beagle://whatever
[10:13] <linuxkid2> Oh, well,, the idea was to have something similar to the Firefox search bar for Kicker.
[10:13] <zorglu_> !strigi
[10:13] <Lechero> i read about one k proyect for create a beagle for kde
[10:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about strigi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:13] <zorglu_> kde has a desktop search tool called strigi
[10:14] <Lechero> but i am waiting for the google desktop for kde :)
[10:14] <Karol84PL> Hello, is anyone who used Democracy TV Platform application? What speed of Internet connection is need to watch Tv like that? (sorry for my english ...)
[10:14] <linuxkid2> oh, well, maybe I just have to write it if I want t. (dunno how tho)
[10:16] <zorglu_> Karol84PL: it uses bittorrent so the speed at which you download the data depends on the speed of your link but there are no minimal
[10:17] <Karol84PL> zorglu: thanks, i thought it is via live streaming
[10:17] <sorush20> what is an easy imaging program out there that help backup the root partiton as an image. ?
[10:18] <linuxkid2> dd ?
[10:18] <Lechero> Democracy TV Plataform is like Live Tv ?
[10:18] <Lechero> tv p2p
[10:18] <sorush20> Lechero: no you can get bbc on there
[10:19] <zorglu_> Lechero: do you have a url for 'live tv' ?
[10:20] <jtholmes> how do i read   something pasted at paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:20] <Lechero> yes zorglu_ but Live Tv is only for windows :( http://live-tv-player.en.softonic.com/ie/47499
[10:20] <zorglu_> thanks
[10:20] <Lechero> jtholmes: you must have the url of the page where are been pasted the text
[10:20] <max1> hi
[10:21] <jtholmes> Lechero: ok thanks i figured that  such as  paste.../25600
[10:21] <Lechero> jtholmes: something like that
[10:21] <jtholmes> Lechero: ok
[10:22] <wildchild> does messenger in kopete support audio conversation
[10:22] <linuxkid2> wildchild: if it doesn't aMSN does.
[10:23] <wildchild> so I have to apt-get install msn ?
[10:23] <linuxkid2> amsn
[10:23] <linuxkid2> i thinj
[10:23] <linuxkid2> aptitude search msn
[10:24] <kubuntu> hola
[10:26] <lupo> i can't mount DVD
[10:26] <lupo> only cd works on it
[10:27] <kubuntu> alguien que hable espaol
[10:27] <helena> where can I set edgy to suspend when on battery power and idle for 10 minutes?
[10:27] <zorglu_> !es
[10:27] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:29] <zorglu_> helena: 'kmenu -> system setting -> laptop & power "
[10:30] <helena> no such thing there
[10:30] <helena> should I install something and how will it work together with guidance-power-manager?
[10:31] <zorglu_> well i have it there :) i dunno why you dont
[10:46] <mabreaux> Does kubuntu get the same attention as ubuntu or is it a step-child?
[10:47] <Admiral_Chicago> mabreaux: yes it does
[10:47] <mabreaux> then why is ubuntu so much cleaner and well polished?
[10:47] <Surger> mabreaux: kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE instead of Gnome. All the base packages are common.
[10:48] <Surger> mabreaux: You mean gnome it polished? The underlying system is identical.
[10:48] <mabreaux> Will kubuntu support kde 4.0 when it is released?
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> mabreaux: i think GNOME has a minimalist style
[10:48] <Kubu> yes
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> mabreaux: yes
[10:48] <Homer> lol
[10:48] <Homer> nope it won't :)
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> but KDE has menus and things like that
[10:48] <Kubu> it will
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> i can't find anything in gnome
[10:49] <Homer> yeah I'm commenting on the absurdity of the question
[10:49] <mabreaux> gnome drive me crazy
[10:49] <Kubu> i prefer kde as well
[10:49] <Admiral_Chicago> mabreaux: me too. kde is easier to navigate imo
[10:49] <Homer> well you are in the right channel
[10:49] <mabreaux> gnome has a very nice wirenetwork manager and kde does not why?
[10:50] <Surger> mabreaux: I dunno - go and ask the KDE guys. :)
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> mabreaux: the one KDE introduced is knetworkmanager and it isn't developed
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> they just released it a few months ago
[10:50] <Surger> But you can run most gnome apps in KDE
[10:50] <Surger> Just launch them from console
[10:51] <Homer> you can put them into a menu
[10:52] <wildchild> where do I get plugins for my mic and web cam
[10:52] <wildchild> so aMSN will recognize them
[10:57] <jhutchins_wk> Why is kdeprint unable to add a printer?
[10:59] <mario_> ola
[11:05] <nuku> hmm this kickoff code is really messy :p
[11:07] <AWOSDev> When I go to open a file in any application, namely KolourPaint but happens in OpenOffice too, some files are missing.
[11:08] <AWOSDev> But they show up when I do an ls in the directory.
[11:08] <AWOSDev> It affects all directories on the computer, including on NTFS and ext3 partitions.
[11:09] <AWOSDev> If I type the name of the file in, they do open.  So the files are there but they are not listed.
[11:09] <AWOSDev> What could be the problem?
[11:09] <wildchild> why fon't install easycam or easycam2 despite I added deb file into my /etc/apt/source.list and update it :S
[11:10] <AWOSDev> When I go to open a file in any application, namely KolourPaint but happens in OpenOffice too, some files are missing.
[11:11] <AWOSDev> It affects all directories on the computer, including on NTFS and ext3 partitions.  If I do an ls -al on the console however they are there.  I am the owner.  The permissions are 766.
[11:12] <lluka> hey can someone help me with my fstab, im trying to make it read write for user 1000
[11:12] <nuku> but kickoff is not that bad usability wise :)
[11:13] <AWOSDev> nuku, huh?  Were you talking to me, lluka or wildchild?
[11:13] <lluka> anyone hehhe
[11:13] <nuku> no just continue the topic an hour ago :)
[11:14] <AWOSDev> nuku hehe
[11:14] <bertha> !es
[11:14] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:14] <lluka> u woudlnt happen to know how to make a partition read write for user would u? :S
[11:14] <AWOSDev> lluka, I mount my partitions with 'mount', I don't use fstab.  So no, sorry...
[11:15] <nuku> AWOSDev: you may have this annoying /.hidden file? ;)
[11:15] <AWOSDev> lluka, maybe type "man fstab" on the Konsole...
[11:15] <lluka> hmm
[11:15] <AWOSDev> nuku, I turned on "Show Hidden Files" already, and when I did even more disappeared.  Every time the file picker refreshes more disappear.
[11:15] <lluka> i did this years ago but i cant remember how
[11:15] <lluka> :/
[11:16] <AWOSDev> lluka, like I said try "man fstab", it gives helpful info.
[11:16] <nuku> AWOSDev: mh..
[11:16] <nuku> AWOSDev: but ls -al show the files?!
[11:16] <AWOSDev> nuku, what does mh mean?
[11:16] <AWOSDev> nuku, yep.
[11:17] <nuku> AWOSDev: just wondering what that might be :)
[11:17] <AWOSDev> nuku, they are all PNG files and they all have the same basic file name.
[11:17] <AWOSDev> nuku, to be honest, they are pictures of road signs.
[11:18] <AWOSDev> so it's like I-95 N Exit20.png
[11:18] <nuku> AWOSDev: :) maybe you missed a turn right sign where all the file are now :p *scnr*
[11:18] <AWOSDev> nuku LOL
[11:19] <AWOSDev> nuku Exits 20-32 are missing.
[11:19] <AWOSDev> but I'm looking at 21 right now, just opened it.
[11:19] <tmdx120> identify 5percent
[11:19] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, bad idea giving out your password :P
[11:20] <tmdx120> AWOSDev: It has been doing that ever since I upgraded. I have no idea why. Can you help me with that?
[11:20] <wildchild> hello has anyone here try to install web cam?
[11:20] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, what did you upgrade?  to Edgy?
[11:21] <tmdx120> AWOSDev: dapper
[11:21] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, then what did you upgrade?
[11:21] <AWOSDev> nuku, any idea why the KDE File Picker doesn't like I-95 northbound?
[11:21] <tmdx120> AWOSDev: about 3 mos ago. its taken me this long to get to the last few issues!  LOL!
[11:21] <Homer> how do I close an ethernet device
[11:22] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, not *when* but *what*, was it Konversation, GAIM, Kopete?
[11:22] <nuku> AWOSDev: no idea... can you open the file by typing in its full name?
[11:22] <AWOSDev> Homer, sudo ifconfig eth0 down
[11:22] <AWOSDev> nuku yep
[11:22] <Janitux> !
[11:22] <tmdx120> AWOSDev:  it was a system upgrade from breezy
[11:22] <nuku> AWOSDev: so it is just missing in the file list?!
[11:22] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, ahhhhhhh okay I get it now
[11:22] <AWOSDev> nuku, yep
[11:22] <nuku> strange ..
[11:23] <mabreaux> I was at Borders books and music last night and saw a book called "Beginning Ubuntu Linux From Novice to Professional" by Keir Thomas published by apress.
[11:23] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, which client are you using?  irssi, GAIM, Konversation, Kopete, ...
[11:23] <AWOSDev> mabreaux, yep seen it at Barnes & Noble.
[11:23] <mabreaux> any have any coments on it
[11:23] <tmdx120> AWOSDev: konversation, can you help?
[11:23] <mabreaux> any one read it.
[11:24] <AWOSDev> mabreaux, uh it's a little newb for me, I have 5 years of *nix administration under my belt
[11:24] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, Yep that's what I would use if I could open it
[11:24] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, I personally IDENTIFY in the Freenode window, not the channel window
[11:24] <tmdx120> AWOSDev: how do I do that?
[11:25] <mabreaux> I have 15 of at&t and bsd under mine and just starting in linux....   I like what ubuntu and kubuntu have done so far.
[11:25] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, see the tabs?  At the bottom?
[11:25] <tmdx120> AWOSDev: <-----newbie. Yes I see the tabs..
[11:25] <Homer> how you put a computer on standby mode
[11:25] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, you calling me a newbie or you a newbie? :P
[11:25] <AWOSDev> Homer, ACPI or APM?
[11:25] <Homer> acpi
[11:25] <AWOSDev> mabreaux, yeah compared to FreeBSD, Linux is fairly easy
[11:26] <AWOSDev> Homer, hold on a sec
[11:26] <tmdx120> AWOSDev: ME  LOL!
[11:26] <mabreaux> Trying to find out how much unix command are used in linux and if they work the same.
[11:26] <tmdx120> AWOSDev: when I get to the tab that says freenode what do I do?
[11:26] <Homer> alot
[11:26] <Homer> linux iss more of a superset of unix
[11:26] <mabreaux> on freebsd, you are complete correct on that....
[11:26] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY whatever-your-password-is
[11:27] <linuxkid2> mabreaux: that is GNU, and BASH. Most are the same, cat, cd, less, grep, awk.
[11:27] <Tailsfan> Hello
[11:27] <mabreaux> sorry I do not wish to work that hard for my free time...  so I tried red hat, suse and ended up staying with kubuntu
[11:28] <mabreaux> sorry I do not like gnume
[11:28] <mabreaux> gnome
[11:28] <AWOSDev> mabreaux, I hate GNOME personally.
[11:28] <AWOSDev> :)
[11:28] <Tailsfan> 1. How much does a server install use? and 2. How much does kubuntu-desktop take up after installing the server editon
[11:28] <tmdx120> AWOSDev: now what?
[11:28] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, now your password doesn't come up anymore
[11:28] <linuxkid2> If I had the system power I'd try E17 or Compiz, but KDE is as good as I can do.
[11:28] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, that's where you need to Identify, not in the Channel tab but the Freenode tab.
[11:29] <tmdx120> AWOSDev:  that is all I have to do?
[11:29] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, yep :)
[11:29] <tmdx120> AWOSDev: do I do that every time?
[11:29] <AWOSDev> man stabndy
[11:29] <AWOSDev> oops sorry wrong shell
[11:29] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: 2 gb minimum..for the entire install..
[11:29] <bertha> !es
[11:29] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:29] <Tailsfan> The server
[11:30] <dre> hee kubuntuers...
[11:30] <tmdx120> AWOSDev: can I change my password?
[11:30] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: within 1GB but confirm with someone else
[11:30] <Tailsfan> I gues 500 Mb for the server
[11:30] <Tailsfan> Oh :(
[11:31] <Tailsfan> So much for installing Kubuntu for me then
[11:31] <linuxkid2> how is hibernae accomplished? My computer is older so no ACPI.
[11:31] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: why?
[11:31] <mabreaux> what ever happen to "mh" and "k shell" ?
[11:31] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, yeah but I don't remember how.
[11:32] <tmdx120> AWOSDev: ThANKS!!!!
[11:32] <linuxkid2> mabreaux: they're available, but Linux uses bash, and cshell is there for scripts.
[11:32] <AWOSDev> tmdx120, np :)
[11:32] <Tailsfan> Because I was going to install the server with it's GUI but I have limited disk space to do it
[11:32] <tmdx120> Im trying to get my palm to sync to kpilot, can anyone help?
[11:32] <AWOSDev> mabreaux, sudo apt-get install ksh
[11:32] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: when u do a server install ...theres no X
[11:33] <AWOSDev> mabreaux, that's the Real Genuine AT&T Korn Shell
[11:33] <mabreaux> I notice that bash has a lot of the features of both c and k.  or am I just mistaken?
[11:33] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: so possibly when u do install X ..u will atmost need a Window manager
[11:33] <narasim_7> max within 1 GB ..
[11:33] <linuxkid2> I've never used anything but bash and busybox (DSL).
[11:34] <wildchild> how can I communicate through aMSN if it can't recognize mic ?
[11:34] <linuxkid2> Tailsfan: XFCE or Fluxbox might suit you better.
[11:34] <mabreaux> can anyone recommend a good book on python?  I know c, c++ and c++ dcom, but not python.
[11:34] <Tailsfan> But the Kubuntu Disk does not contain those
[11:34] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: yeah..
[11:34] <Tailsfan> I was going to install from the disk
[11:35] <linuxkid2> Ah
[11:35] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: u can do a server install and then do a "sudo apt-get install fluxbox" in the login shell
[11:35] <GNUro> in edgy my flash player don't work.. it play the audio, but don't show any in video O_o... why?
[11:35] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: but you will have to install xorg..so make sure you install xorg
[11:36] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: what about RAM and swap
[11:36] <Tailsfan> Swap?
[11:36] <nuku> GNUro: change your display depth to 24
[11:36] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: if u have less disk space for kubuntu..then how are u going to allocate swap space?
[11:37] <GNUro> nuku: ok
[11:37] <Tailsfan> Hmm, Good Point, Hold on, let me get you my disk size currently
[11:38] <Tailsfan> 3.99 GB, but i can clear some
[11:38] <linuxkid2> Tailsfan: fluxbox is in Universe, so you'll have to manually edit your sources.list before you can install it.
[11:38] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: can u get 3.99 gb for kubuntu or less than that
[11:39] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: oh..total is 3.99 han?
[11:39] <Tailsfan> total is 5.99 Gigs, But I have Windows 2000 in here as well
[11:40] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: oh..k
[11:40] <mabreaux> I tried to "sudo apt-get install gnome" for testing on my kubuntu system, and the would not boot after that.  why?
[11:41] <narasim_7> Tailsfan: the point is that u shld have twice the size of ram as swap..but atleast as big as ram..shld do..otherwise..the performance will be very poor..
[11:41] <Tailsfan> Yeah I only have 128 MB RAM
[11:41] <evol_> mabreaux: what's the error message after booting?
[11:42] <AWOSDev> Homer, you still there?
[11:42] <narasim_7> Will kubuntu take some portion of / as swap space when no swap partition is present?
[11:42] <AWOSDev> narasim_7, no you will have no swap space.
[11:42] <narasim_7> AWOSDev: ah! ok thanks
[11:42] <AWOSDev> narasim_7, np
[11:43] <linuxkid2> You can set any disk image or rw device as swap, usually partitions, but you CAN format a disk image as swap and use that.
[11:43] <_Sime> mabreaux: You could try the book "Dive into Python".
[11:43] <mabreaux> no error, goes for grub to a black screen and locks up
[11:43] <mabreaux> thanks I check out the book
[11:44] <narasim_7> linuxkid2: have u tried edgy ?
[11:44] <TFrog> anyone here running the edgy native broadcom drivers?
[11:45] <linuxkid2> no, I never was really happy with alpha aoftware. beta's ok thouhg :)
[11:45] <narasim_7> linuxkid2: :)
[11:45] <mabreaux> I tried drapper native broadcom drivers and does not support above 10 mps on a b/g card
[11:45] <linuxkid2> Sysinfo for 'josh-desktop': Linux 2.6.15-27-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: PentiumIII(Katmai) at 449 MHz (899 bogomips), , RAM: 310/313MB, 97 proc's, 5.12h up
[11:46] <bertha> !es
[11:46] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:46] <linuxkid2> that's why not using elnightenment or XGL
[11:46] <AWOSDev> linuxkid2, how'd you do that?
[11:46] <mabreaux> will xgl run on drappr?
[11:46] <AWOSDev> mabreaux, no :(
[11:46] <linuxkid2> the command is /SYSINFO
[11:46] <TFrog> ty mabreaux.  i've been in communications via email with the ubuntu staff.  they are telling me the edgy kernel supports the WPA with the fwcutter.  not sure on speed though
[11:47] <AWOSDev> linuxkid2:    bash: /SYSINFO: No such file or directory
[11:47] <linuxkid2> no, in Konverstaion
[11:47] <benjamin> Anyone knows how i change name on the NFS-icon on the desktop?
[11:47] <narasim_7> Sysinfo for 'ubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU2.40GHz at 2400 MHz (4803 bogomips), , RAM: 246/248MB, 88 proc's, 30.5min up
[11:47] <AWOSDev> linuxkid2: LOL I'm kinda dumb :P
[11:47] <mabreaux> that will be go to switch to wpa for web
[11:47] <mabreaux> wep
[11:47] <narasim_7> linuxkid2: ;)
[11:48] <narasim_7> AWOSDev: i too tried with bash
[11:48] <TFrog> i'm not thrilled about WEP from my days doing telephone tech support for a major ISP here in the states
[11:49] <AWOSDev> Sysinfo for 'lappy': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPI: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPI1.60GHz at 1600 MHz (unknown bogomips), , RAM: 494/494MB, unknown proc's, 2days 2:20 up
[11:49] <AWOSDev> ^ typed manually :)
[11:49] <mabreaux> neither am I, too easy to crack
[11:49] <narasim_7> AWOSDev: 2 days :O
[11:49] <AWOSDev> narasim_7 that's a big deal?
[11:50] <AWOSDev> narasim_7 I've gotten 12 days out of this laptop
[11:50] <TFrog> mabreaux, the only good secure network is wired.  i know a kid who has been able to hack into WPA netorks in a half hour with the right tools via linux
[11:50] <narasim_7> AWOSDev: because i am staying in chennai india and its summer all throughout the year..
[11:50] <mabreaux> I can do that too , but ask him how long it take him to get into a wep system
[11:51] <AWOSDev> narasim_7, what does that have to do with uptime?
[11:51] <linuxkid2> I've got old hardware on my Wireless network, so I'm stuck with WEP 128
[11:51] <TFrog> probably less than 5 minutes.  lol
[11:51] <narasim_7> AWOSDev: the system has to be on right?
[11:51] <AWOSDev> narasim_7 yeah :)
[11:52] <narasim_7> AWOSDev: here due to overheating the system may reboot..and sometimes fail..and we dont have enough support down here
[11:52] <dre> truste
[11:52] <AWOSDev> narasim_7 Ahhhhhhhh okay
[11:52] <mabreaux> in linux how does NFS support laptops which leave the system occasionally?  I know *nix does not like it much>
[11:53] <narasim_7> *narasim_7 doesnt have such an airconditioed room :(
[11:53] <AWOSDev> narasim_7, oh I'm sorry, really truly sorry
[11:53] <narasim_7> AWOSDev: thats ok..i am blessed enough to get a computer..
[11:53] <AWOSDev> narasim_7 I went without A/C down here in sunny Florida, USA once earlier this year in July.  Got up to 88 degrees *inside* the house
[11:54] <TFrog> ouch AWOSDev.  i know that feeling here in SC.  wouldn't be nice without AC
[11:54] <narasim_7> AWOSDev: oh..thats  worse..
[11:54] <narasim_7> TFrog: SC?
[11:54] <AWOSDev> I had three computers on :)
[11:54] <AWOSDev> narasim_7, South Carolina
[11:54] <TFrog> South Carolina, US
[11:54] <narasim_7> AWOSDev: ah..!
[11:54] <narasim_7> TFrog: ok..
[11:54] <cpk2> AWOSDev: psh this last summer was way hot in san diego, I dont have a/c =)
[11:55] <mabreaux> Pine Valley, Ca (near San Diego, ca)
[11:55] <cpk2> the heat wave was not very fun though
[11:55] <TFrog> mabreaux, thanks for the bit of info about fwcutter.
[11:55] <AWOSDev> Yeah my Linux-based server hit an all time high, 50 degrees celsius :O
[11:55] <narasim_7> mabreaux: yeah
[11:55] <TFrog> mabreaux, you make me jealous.  i did 12 years in San Diego as a squid.  lol
[11:55] <mabreaux> not a porblem,  I am trying to resolve but no luck so far.
[11:56] <mabreaux> san diego has nice weather...
[11:56] <AWOSDev> Well I have guests coming over, so I best be off
[11:56] <AWOSDev> Bye all!
[11:56] <TFrog> i know.  i'm ex navy and as i said, i spent 12 years there
[11:56] <narasim_7> AWOSDev: bye
[11:56] <TFrog> later AWOSDev
[11:56] <mabreaux> bye
[11:56] <AWOSDev> It's nice to be said bye to by so many eople :)
[11:57] <mabreaux> bye for now
[11:57] <narasim_7> bye all..gonna get some sleep..its 3 already..
[11:57] <linuxkid2> I'm still here.
[11:58] <bertha> !es
[11:58] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:59] <linuxkid2> What would one call Ubuntu + Fluxbox? Fubuntu?
[11:59] <mabreaux> I have to go and get some stuff done....  be back on later.  bye for now
[11:59] <josh_> !mp3
[11:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:00] <linuxkid2> What would one call Ubuntu + Fluxbox? Fubuntu? Ubuntubox?
[12:00] <Tm_T> ubuntu
[12:01] <linuxkid2> Tm_T: that's not so creative.
[12:01] <Tm_T> that's exactly what it is
[12:01] <Tm_T> it's ubuntu
[12:01] <draik> How do you ghost a HDD?
[12:02] <draik> can it be done with Kubuntu?
[12:02] <josh_> norton ghost
[12:02] <linuxkid2> Ubuntu is Gnome, Kubunut is KDE, Xubuntu is XFCE.
[12:02] <Tm_T> no separate repositories, no separate artwork, nothing that divide it from ubuntu
[12:02] <draik> josh_ no windows here, just kubuntu
[12:02] <Tm_T> I use WindowMaker and it's still Ubuntu
[12:02] <Tm_T> draik: hmm, maybe dd helps
[12:02] <draik> dd?
[12:02] <linuxkid2> I just want to be creative with my Fluxbox installation. Not technical.
[12:03] <Tm_T> draik: no idea, just guessing
[12:03] <ka6sox> Tm_T if I use windowmaker and like KDE apps I should install kubuntu?
[12:03] <cpk2> ka6sox: you dont need to, apt-get will install everything the apps need anyways
[12:03] <Tm_T> yes
[12:03] <Tm_T> all one big family of community
[12:04] <Tm_T> linuxkid2: well, then name it as "foobar"
[12:04] <Tm_T> that's creative and non-technical ;)
[12:05] <linuxkid2> Yeah yeah ok.
[12:06] <ka6sox> its okay...so far I"ve tried 3 different ubuntu install discs and NONE of them completely install the OS.
[12:06] <ka6sox> 3 different versions even
[12:06] <Tm_T> good night kids, have fun ->
[12:06] <ka6sox> even *Debian* can do that.
[12:07] <ka6sox> where is the best place to ask PPC questions?
[12:09] <soulrider> oh NO! i need URGENT HELP!
[12:09] <soulrider> instead of hitting safely remov eon my pen drive
[12:09] <soulrider> i hit move to waste bin
[12:09] <soulrider> and my files got deleted!
[12:09] <soulrider> how an i recover them?!
[12:09] <josh_> u can't
[12:10] <josh_> sry
[12:10] <Chousuke> move back from waste bin?
[12:10] <soulrider> i opened my trash can and theyr enot there
[12:10] <josh_> maybe there is some sort of tool
[12:10] <Chousuke> hmm
[12:10] <soulrider> there MUST be a way
[12:10] <josh_> go into adept and type recovery
[12:10] <Chousuke> hm
[12:10] <soulrider> adept manager ?
[12:10] <Chousuke> is the USB drive unmounted now?
[12:11] <soulrider> no
[12:11] <thygrrr> heyas! I'm trying to get LWJGL to work... I have an ATI Radeon X1600 ... the apps work, but terribly screw up the x server once they quit. in fact things are so screwed up that I need to reboot.
[12:11] <soulrider> its mounted
[12:11] <Chousuke> they might be on the USB drive, in a .Trash-Something folder
[12:11] <Chousuke> it's hidden.
[12:11] <soulrider> i managed to hit cancel while it was deleting though
[12:11] <thygrrr> any clues on this one? first thing I need to know anyway is how to kill the x server in a proper way... I can switch to a tty once, but i can never switch back once things go bad.
[12:11] <soulrider> oh yes


[22:45] <olly_> morning
[23:11] <hads> morning
[23:16] <G> bit late there eh? ;)
[23:21] <olly_> my excuse is the ADSL router died this morning
[23:21] <olly_> i think it's an omen that it's time to get fibre
[23:30] <mwhudson> what do chorus think about your omens?


[05:48] <BoomerBile> tigervnc on kubuntu?
[05:48] <skreech__> !vnc
[05:48] <skreech__> !info tigervnc
[05:48] <skreech__> aww
[05:49] <BoomerBile> yeah that sucks... tightvnc is old and tigervnc is the future of tightvnc (based on the never released tightvnc 4)
[05:50] <skreech__> It used to be there...
[05:52] <BoomerBile> i thought so too
[05:52] <BoomerBile> i found some old websites on google
[05:53] <BoomerBile> guess i could build it from source easy enough...
[05:53] <skreech__> http://winswitch.org/downloads/debian-repository.html?dist_select=raring
[05:54] <skreech__> Well if you can do that go ahead :)
[05:54] <skreech__> No PPA either that I can see
[05:57] <BoomerBile> yeah i can, no sweat... i hate going out of tree though...
[05:57] <BoomerBile> xtightvncviewer is barfing on me for full screen mode
[05:57] <skreech__> Yeah that's a pain at times if you aren't careful
[05:58] <BoomerBile> and no file transfers
[06:01] <BoomerBile> strange
[06:01] <BoomerBile> i just downloaded the package and whoops
[06:02] <BoomerBile> it's not source code and it installed into /opt
[06:02] <BoomerBile> might just work
[06:08] <skreech__> just add that path into your path
[06:08] <skreech__> or symlink it into your path
[06:40] <borov_> hi everybody! may be somebody could help me ... how can i activate nvidia-319 driver in xorg. nvidia-xconfig created xorg.conf, but after reboot nvidia driver didn't actevated.
[06:41] <skreech__> !nvidia
[06:41] <zsatox> !apache
[06:41] <skreech__> what does the output of lsmod say?
[06:47] <zsatox> anyone good with apache?
[06:47] <skreech__> zsatox: Did you try #apache ?
[06:48] <zsatox> nope, i'll try it. thanks
[06:48] <skreech__> Sure
[06:48] <skreech__> It'll redirect you
[06:50] <zsatox> seems dead :(
[07:07] <skreech__> What's the question?
[07:07] <skreech__> borov_: progress?
[07:09] <borov_> i'm at work now. I'll see lsmod after an hour.
[07:12] <zsatox> well i was curious about apache2 2.2.22 vs httpd 2.4.6. it seems like when i installed 2.4.6, it uses /usr/local/apache2 instead of /etc/apache2
[07:13] <zsatox> also when i try to use apachectl, it says: The program 'apachectl' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install apache2.2-common
[07:17] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[07:44] <skreech__> zsatox: That's probably more to do with packaging than anythign else
[07:51] <zsatox> ic
[10:57] <borov_> <skreech__: lsmod shows that nvidia module is load
[11:00] <borov_> hi everybody! may be somebody could help me ... how can i activate nvidia-319 driver in xorg. nvidia-xconfig created xorg.conf, but after reboot nvidia driver didn't actevated.
[11:00] <borov_> lsmod shows that nvidia module is load
[11:57] <Mamarok> guest_____: please fix your connection
[12:08] <jussi> how does one search for a file on a USB drive?
[12:12] <lordievader> jussi: Point find to the mount point?
[12:13] <jussi> lordievader: ok, let me reword that and ad "graphically" in  there
[12:13] <lordievader> jussi: Phew, no idea... Graphically is hard :(
[12:25] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: use search in dolphin ?
[12:25] <jussi> ovidiu-florin: I dont seem to have a search in my dolphin?
[12:25] <ovidiu-florin> KDE version?
[12:26] <jussi> oh, wait, I now found it (find, not search)
[12:27] <ovidiu-florin> yeah
[12:27] <ovidiu-florin> sorry about that
[12:27] <ovidiu-florin> you have to be in the drive to make searching easier
[12:27] <jussi> yeah, figured. thanks
[13:24] <acooper> Hello.  I installed kubuntu 13.04 yesterday on my Acer Aspire 7745G i7 laptop.  Everything seemed to be going fine.  Today the Muon Software center crashes every time I start it.  Is this a common thing and can someone point me in the right direction to fix it?
[13:26] <acooper> Also, I'm very familiar with Ubuntu.  I've just moved from the Unity desktop to KDE, so sending me to a command line won't freak me out or anything.
[13:28] <sbivol> acooper: try launching 'muon' from Konsole, maybe it will tell you the cause of the crash
[13:31] <acooper> Okay, the package manager doesn't seem to be crashing like the software center.  Although, Konsole is showing the following error a lot ""/var/tmp/kdecache-acooper" is owned by uid 1001 instead of uid 0.
[13:31] <acooper> "
[13:36] <acooper> Hmmmm...  from reading the forums it looks like using sudo instead of kdesu is a no-no.  I didn't realize that.  Heh.
[13:39] <sbivol> removing "/var/tmp/kdecache-acooper" and rebooting should help. do not run muon with *sudo, t will ask for your password when needed
[13:39] <sbivol> *it
[13:40] <acooper> I didn't run muon with sudo but I did run dpkg and apt-get with sudo.
[13:40] <acooper> I ran muon from the menu.
[13:40] <acooper> Thanks, sbivol.
[16:44] <lionrouge> hi ppl
[16:44] <lionrouge> i changed system language on my fresh Kubuntu installation
[16:44] <lionrouge> and it's applying changes for half an hour already
[17:02] <lionrouge> is there any guide on videocard setup in Ubuntu?
[17:02] <lionrouge> 3d-accelereation etc.
[17:12] <cyberlala> hi
[17:12] <lordievader> Hry cyberlala
[17:12] <lordievader> Hey*
[17:13] <VodkaLemmon> hey dudes
[17:13] <VodkaLemmon> someone know stuff 'bout pyqt4?
[17:13] <Pici> VodkaLemmon: Depends what sort of stuff you want to know.
[17:15] <VodkaLemmon> Pici: it's simple i don't uderstand how to connect a push button action with a function in another python file
[17:15] <VodkaLemmon> i cannot find tutorial on the internet
[17:16] <Pici> VodkaLemmon: #python might be a good place to start
[17:16] <lordievader> VodkaLemmon: Simply import the functions and use it as if it is defined in your script.
[17:16] <VodkaLemmon> lordievader: can u make me an example?
[17:18] <lordievader> VodkaLemmon: Do you mind if I pm you?
[17:18] <VodkaLemmon> you can om me
[17:18] <VodkaLemmon> lordievader:
[18:03] <an1> hey. im having trouble saving aliases. I do have these lines: http://hilltopyodeler.wikispaces.com/Bash-Aliases  in my .bashrc and a .bash_aliases with a couple of aliases such as alias h='heroku'
[18:03] <an1> . When I type alias h='heroku' in my command line, the alias gets created till i restart konsole. Any idea where im going wrong?
[18:09] <lordievader> an1: What does the command "alias" output?
[18:10] <an1> alias rvm-restart='rvm_reload_flag=1 source '\''/home/anirudh/.rvm/scripts/rvm'\'''
[18:10] <an1> which isnt in my .bash_aliases
[18:11] <an1> ^ @lordievader
[18:12] <lordievader> an1: The way I have it in my zshrc file is this: source /home/lordievader/.alias
[18:14] <an1> @lordievader are zshrc and bashrc similar?
[18:14] <lordievader> an1: Yes.
[18:15] <an1> so should i try just typing source /home/an1/.bash_aliases in my bashrc?
[18:16] <lordievader> an1: It's worth a shot, I'd say.
[18:28] <an1> alias still the same
[18:30] <lordievader> What happens when you run the command in the terminal?
[18:30] <an1> the aliases in .bashrc?
[18:30] <an1> command not found
[18:33] <lordievader> an1: This command: source /home/an1/.bash_aliases
[18:34] <an1> nothing printed
[18:34] <an1> but the aliases work
[18:39] <lordievader> an1: Right, an1 Then this leads me to believe that the bashrc file is not read everytime you start the konsole.
[18:40] <an1> oh. how do i get it to be read?
[18:40] <lordievader> an1: Did you ever reboot when you added the line to your aliases?
[18:46] <blender82> salut
[18:47] <lordievader> Hey blender82
[18:48] <blender82> hey! :)
[18:53] <an1> yep
[18:54] <lordievader> an1: Hmm try adding the line to your .bash_profile file, and logging out and in.
[19:26] <ivan__> lklklkлклклк
[19:43] <xzf> #sex
[21:27] <Macer> is there a reason my audio isn't working?
[21:28] <Macer> all i have available is a dummy audio device
[21:28] <Macer> :-/
[21:33] <Letalis> have you made any changes to the system recently?
[21:34] <Macer> yeah. i installed it
[21:34] <Macer> heh
[21:34] <Macer> nothing serious. it is an intel_hda chipset which i'm sure is just some generic ac97 stuff
[21:34] <Macer> this is a fresh install and it isn't working
[21:34] <Letalis> so you just installed kubuntu and all it shows is the dummy device?
[21:34] <Macer> yes
[21:35] <Letalis> yeah its probably ac97 more than likely but the weird part is why it didnt just detect it
[21:35] <Macer> and kde is also only showing just the dummy device
[21:35] <Macer> you're telling me
[21:35] <Macer> worked fine in 12.04 when i ran that heh
[21:35] <Letalis> any other sound devices that may interfere on the system?
[21:36] <Macer> no. i'm pretty sure the analog and digital audio is done through only the onboard chipset
[21:36] <Macer> i guess it has an hdmi out
[21:36] <Macer> but that never seemed to cause any problems before
[21:36] <Macer> [   40.876348] BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffff8801b3a8bfe0
[21:36] <Macer> hm
[21:36] <Macer> maybe that has something to do with it?
[21:37] <Macer> [   40.893151]  [<ffffffffa0417186>] snd_hda_codec_configure+0x146/0x440 [snd_hda_codec]
[21:37] <Macer> seriously?
[21:37] <Letalis> dmesg when it probes the hardware right at startup would tell you right away whether linux is seeing the sound system
[21:38] <Letalis> granted, it will tell you in the most overly complicated way possible, but nonetheless itll say it.
[21:38] <Letalis> lol
[21:38] <Macer> heh
[21:38] <Macer> i am installing system updates now
[21:38] <Macer> maybe it is a bug with the install kernel
[21:38] <Macer> i'm sure the one that comes on the iso is rather old
[21:39] <Macer> there are quite a few weird problems. like the system not restarting
[21:39] <Macer> it just hangs when it is supposed to restart
[21:39] <Letalis> its a possibility. if it still acts up id check the syslogs first to make sure linux is detecting it like its supposed to, then go from there.
[21:39] <Letalis> might be a bad installer or something
[21:39] <Macer> yea. i looked at dmesg and it looks like a panic during modprobe
[21:40] <Macer> not sure tho.. will have to look at it more later
[21:42] <Macer> dhcp also seems to not work
[21:42] <Macer> wow. i don't remember kubuntu being this unstable. heh. and i just had it on this very same laptop albeit an older version
[21:42] <Macer> i guess sometimes newer isn't better heh
[21:51] <Letalis> i think it might be an issue with the installer honestly, 13.04 has worked great since i put it on here.
[21:52] <Letalis> the only problems ive had with it were with things installed from ppas and those usually are at your own risk
[22:01] <Macer> omg are you kidding me?
[22:01] <Macer> i installed the updates
[22:01] <Macer> and now i can't login as root or the default user
[22:01] <Macer> authentication failure
[22:02] <Macer> probably some pam issue
[22:02] <Macer> but now i can't fix it because i can't login as root... or the default user
[22:02] <Macer> SOUND WORKS THO
[22:02] <Macer> and it's an encrypted lvm so i don't even know how i would mount that with a recovery disc in order to repair it
[22:02] <Macer> i'm logged in as guest now
[22:05] <Macer> ah ok. i managed to login from a console as the user then use passwd
[22:05] <Macer> wth heh


[02:03] <mechpilotace> how was the meeting tonight, sorry I missed it had to get my shots
[02:23] <cmaloney> It was good.
[02:24] <cmaloney> Which shots did you get
[02:24] <cmaloney> ?
[02:31] <mechpilotace> Got my second round of the covid vaccine
[02:42] <mechpilotace> but its an ordeal took a while
[02:47] <jrwren> FANCY!
[02:52] <mechpilotace> i guess lol
[02:52] <greg-g> Congrats
[02:53] <mechpilotace> anybody have issues with video playback on intel graphics?
[02:54] <mechpilotace> it's been particularly bad in firefox, even when I forced exceleration on all the time
[14:09] <mechpilotace> anybody have any good USB keyboard recommendations? I have an old Akai MPK mini from like 10 years ago that has been through several moves and has some busted keys and ive never been happy with how the drum pad tracks
[14:10] <mechpilotace> I'd like the small 25 key + drum pad combo though
[14:10] <jrwren> so... buy KB you mean MIDI trigger. not a USB text input device.
[14:10] <jrwren> s/buy/by/ sorry
[14:11] <cmaloney> Hah, I have the same one
[14:11] <cmaloney> got it at 2nd and Charles
[14:11] <mechpilotace> jrwren: yes
[14:11] <cmaloney> I just recently picked up an Arturia Minilab: https://www.arturia.com/products/hybrid-synths/minilab/overview
[14:11] <cmaloney> (or rather, got for Christmas)
[14:11] <mechpilotace> cmaloney: haha cool we are twins then.
[14:12] <cmaloney> Better feel than the Akai and way more hefty
[14:12] <cmaloney> not sure about the drum pads, but they seemed solid enough
[14:12] <mechpilotace> yah i really just want the akai but nicer, i love the layout and features its just on its last leg
[14:13] <cmaloney> Yeah, and I like the Arpeggiator on the Akai
[14:13] <mechpilotace> yah this arturia looks pretty cool
[14:13] <mechpilotace> you ever heard of the brand "Nektar"
[14:13] <mechpilotace> https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ImpactLX25P--nektar-impact-lx25-keyboard-controller?utm_source=MSN&utm_medium=PPC&mrkgadid=3251365182&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=mpla&mrkgbflag=0&mrkgcat=keyboards&synthesizers=&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=92700046997879393&lid=92700046997879393&ds_s_kwgid=58700005283135715&ds_s_inventory_feed_id=97700000007215323&ds_a_cid=405527921&ds_a_caid=9238691716&
[14:13] <mechpilotace> ds_a_agid=99321513048&ds_a_lid=pla-871866591316&dsproductgroupid=4581939831830062&product_id=ImpactLX25P&prodctry=US&prodlang=EN&channel=Online&storeid=&device=c&network=s&matchtype=e&locationid=&creative=&targetid=pla-4581939831830062&campaignid=283241481&adgroupid=1253443379746202&gclid=308b24a285821bf4be1c44b97e7f5d81&gclsrc=3p.ds&msclkid=308b24a285821bf4be1c44b97e7f5d81
[14:14] <mechpilotace> man that link sucks
[14:14] <cmaloney> Sorry, this is the one that I have: https://www.arturia.com/products/hybrid-synths/minilab-mkii/overview
[14:14] <cmaloney> I've heard of them in passing but haven't checked them out
[14:14] <mechpilotace> https://bit.ly/2YMP6Co
[14:15] <mechpilotace> it looks about right, just never seen or heard of em before
[14:17] <mechpilotace> I just ordered a fender super sonic the other day. Can't wait to try it out, pretty cool head unit for fender 60 watt has fx loop, and 2 channels
[14:21] <jrwren> what makes it a hybrid?
[14:28] <mechpilotace> jrwren: I think thats just what they call their midi controllers, they bundle their software with them as well so may refer to that as well but really just marketing
[14:28] <jrwren> ah cool.
[14:28] <jrwren> i have something that I haven't used in years. I should really plug it in and play with it soon.
[14:28] <mechpilotace> you should
[18:44] <mechpilotace> so looking into it more, looks like this is exactly what Im looking for. https://www.guitarcenter.com/M-Audio/Oxygen-Pro-25-25-Key-1500000333139.gc