[00:00] <cbreak> so... rsync or scp it?
[00:01] <cbreak> no idea if you have those tools on windows
[00:01] <cbreak> got the microsoft linux-on-windows thing? what ever they called it
[00:01] <cbreak> WSL2 or something
[00:08] <Drew_Neilson> yeah it started with connecting via the Windows Subsystem for Linux, but then I started using PuTTY and so now I guess that this issue is a hybrid of WSL + PuTTY + Ubuntu Server.
[00:09] <Drew_Neilson> Regardless, I don't think I have enough energy to continue doing this today. I'm gonna have to try again tomorrow morning.
[00:13] <Bashing-om> Hash: specify as a bridge ? see: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/07/07/if-youre-still-using-ifconfig-youre-living-in-the-past/ .
[00:29] <lolipop> hello
[00:30] <lolipop> im looking for a linux systeme admin for help please
[00:31] <Bashing-om> lolipop: State your issue and if one knows will respond :D
[00:31] <lolipop> coll thank you
[00:31] <lolipop> cool*
[00:33] <lolipop> so , i have this macbook pro laptop from 2011 , the gpu is AMD and it dead , i tried to install ubuntu 20.04 on it , i did change the grub config to make it work withe intel based Gpu , all worked well for me ,
[00:33] <lolipop> after the reboot , the problem goes again
[00:35] <lolipop> i tried to make changes to the 10_linux file in grub.d , i did modify the etc/default File too
[00:35] <Hash> Bashing-om: alright man
[00:35] <Hash> thanks
[00:35] <Hash> I think I used to have a bridge br0 and when I reinstalled 22.04 over 20 I think it overwrote my netplan
[00:35] <Hash> I can setup a bridge and add soem ifaces to it
[00:35] <Hash> Then if you bring the bridge up down, should restart networking?
[00:36] <Bashing-om> lolipop: "change the grub config" what and where did you make this edit ?  Even if in a vps or dedi or whatever, still there's gotta be a way to restart networking etc.
[00:40] <Hash> without losing connection
[00:40] <lolipop> how can i run update-grub from a guest user without getting the /cow error
[00:42] <Bashing-om> lolipop: If you are in a live environment ( say install USB) then you can not as the RFC standard dictates that the medium is read only.
[00:43] <lolipop> i was able to make modifications to the grub files , using the sudo nano ,
[00:44] <lolipop> can i run commands from the /usr path or /home path
[00:46] <lolipop> tbh im new to this linux thing , im used to use windows , easier and user friendly interface
[00:52] <lolipop> i need to get to the grub interface at the startup of the mac , i did make a biosGrub partition in my ubuntu installation , but i can't access it
[00:52] <Bashing-om> lolipop: I am right the oposite - I did not like Windows and found it very confusing to attempt to operate in . Linux -to me - is the more straight forward. OK to your issue - what file/where are you editing ?
[00:55] <lolipop> etc/default/grub
[00:56] <lolipop> etc/grub.d/10_linux
[00:56] <oerheks> after editing grub file, run update-grub
[00:56] <oerheks> !grub
[00:56] <oerheks> see the manual
[00:57] <lolipop> i can't run the update-grub command from a guest user ,
[00:58] <lolipop> i get that /cow error
[00:59] <lolipop> i can make modifications to the grub files and save em , but cannot run update-grub command
[01:01] <Bashing-om> lolipop: Are you booted into your install now ?
[01:01] <lolipop> yes i am
[01:02] <oerheks> always as root, use sudo
[01:02] <lolipop> even with the sudo i get the /cow path error
[01:03] <lolipop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELUzf0MDQS0
[01:03] <lolipop> i followed this video
[01:04] <lolipop> all worked , im stuck in the 8th step
[01:04] <oerheks> i don' t do youtube, use our manual..
[01:07] <Bashing-om> lolipop: I too do not have video capabilities on this my work station.
[01:08] <lolipop> i get the grey screen of death everytime i boot
[01:08] <lolipop> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=“quiet splash“
[01:08] <lolipop>  with = GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=“quiet splash i915.lvds_channel_mode=2 i915.modeset=1 i915.lvds_use_ssc=0"
[01:16] <Bashing-om> lolipop: Yhis guide is old but may still be of value: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-2/Raring .
[01:16] <lolipop> failed to get canonical path of "/cow"
[01:16] <lolipop> ill have a look at it , thank you :))
[01:17] <bangke> hello coy
[01:28] <bangke> halo coy
[01:31] <bangke> how are you coy
[01:37] <jhutchins> : What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[01:40] <Luxumburg111> Hey, appimages won't open for me Ubuntu 22.04 at all
[01:41] <Hash> What's the error message
[01:41] <Hash> Luxumburg111: try run from command line, then see output on console
[01:42] <Luxumburg111> How
[01:42] <Luxumburg111> Whats the command
[01:43] <Luxumburg111> Also, Torbrowser wont open
[01:43] <jhutchins> The illusion of appimages is that they run easily and consistently anywhere.
[01:43] <Luxumburg111> It has a TorBrowser.desktop file
[01:43] <Luxumburg111> Yeah, they usually do jhutchins
[01:43] <jhutchins> The reality is that they fail consistently everywhere, and require a certain amount of background work to run at all.
[01:44] <jhutchins> Snaps would not exist if appimages actually worked.
[01:44] <jhutchins> Nor flatpaks.
[01:46] <Luxumburg111> can you guys help me get Tor working
[01:46] <jhutchins> !info tor
[01:46] <jhutchins> !tor
[01:47] <jhutchins> Luxumburg111: See above.  Native install is always best.
[01:47] <jhutchins> Well, always the best place to starrt.
[01:51] <Luxumburg111> yeah
[01:51] <Luxumburg111> The .desktop file isnt working
[01:52] <Luxumburg111> On other Linux DIstros, ubuntu based
[01:52] <Luxumburg111> The .Desktop file works!
[01:52] <Luxumburg111> On Ubuntu, it doesnt work
[01:52] <Luxumburg111> Also, AppImages dont work on Ubuntu!
[01:52] <jhutchins> Luxumburg111: Figure out what the desktop is trying to do.  It's probably trying to run something that isn't on the path it thinks it is.
[01:52] <jhutchins> Luxumburg111: Or follow the docs above.
[01:53] <Luxumburg111> It worked in this exact way on all other Linux OSs
[01:53] <Luxumburg111> Extract Tor folder, run the .desktop Tor Browser ICON
[01:53] <Luxumburg111> icon
[01:54] <jhutchins> Luxumburg111: I sincerely doubt your "all" sample is in any way complete.  That's not how most Linux works.
[01:56] <Luxumburg111> Thats exactly how all Linux distros I've ussed have worked
[01:56] <Luxumburg111> I extract Tor to desktop, open Tor Folder, run the Tor icon.desktop file
[01:56] <Luxumburg111> then Tor browser open
[01:58] <Luxumburg111> Can someone help me fix Tor Browser and AppImages
[01:58] <jhutchins> For a reasonable (but by no means complete) list of distributions, see http://distrowatch.com
[01:58] <jhutchins> Luxumburg111: Why not install it properly?
[01:59] <Luxumburg111> I am
[01:59] <Luxumburg111> It's reccomended to direct download it
[01:59] <jhutchins> Luxumburg111: If you already know the answer, why are you asking here?
[02:00] <Luxumburg111> Beacuse its not opening
[02:00] <Luxumburg111> As I said
[02:01] <Luxumburg111> Also, How can I get AppImages working systemwide for Ubuntu 22.04?
[02:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Luxumburg111: Install libfuse2 to get appimages working.
[02:32] <cpi> Hey all
[02:32] <preach> hi
[02:36] <cpi> ^r
[02:42] <arraybolt3[m]> cpi: Hello! Need any help?
[03:51] <plujon> Greetings.  I run a few Ubuntu LTS instances in the cloud, and a couple of them have hit the same kernel panic in the last 2 days.
[03:55] <plujon> RIP: 0010:tcp_create_openreq_child+0x2fd/0x410
[04:02] <mybalzitch> all using virtio for the nic?
[04:12] <Guest62> Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 22.04, and my system freezes every 20 mintes or so, not exactly.
[04:12] <Guest62> Im trying to find out wahts causing the freezing, I speculate it MAY be the GPU driver, x.org GPU driver.
[04:13] <ppw> or ACPI
[04:13] <Guest62> what
[04:13] <ppw> what "what"
[04:14] <Guest62> Whats ACPI
[04:14] <ppw> ohhh we're at THAT level, ok
[04:15] <Guest62> Advanced Configuration and Power Interface ?
[04:17] <ppw> yes, I can google things too
[04:17] <ppw> try booting Ubuntu with the "noacpi" option. you can google how to do that, can't you?
[04:19] <jdmark> any linux gamers?
[04:24] <ElPresidente> jdmark, suh
[04:25] <jdmark> ?
[04:25] <jdmark> what is your advice fo rgaming in linux?
[04:26] <ppw> not to do it?
[04:26] <jdmark> for FPS
[04:26] <jdmark> and just overall gaming experience as close to windows as possible
[04:26] <jdmark> compatibility etc
[04:28] <Guest62> pretty bad
[04:28] <Guest62> few games work natively
[04:28] <Guest62> I reccomend Dual booting
[04:28] <Guest62> if you want to gayme
[05:38] <hadizhp> Hello
[05:42] <hadizhp> ls
[05:42] <hadizhp> clear
[05:43] <arraybolt3[m]> hadizhp: Hello!
[05:44] <hadizhp> Where is here?
[05:44] <Maik> hadizhp: do you have a Ubuntu support question?
[05:44] <arraybolt3[m]> hadizhp: This is the Ubuntu technical support channel. Basically, if something goes wrong with your computer, or you need help figuing out a problem, we can help.
[05:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Maik: They're asking what the channel is, I think it's a bit too early for that.
[05:45] <Maik> arraybolt3[m]: there's something like reading the channel topic
[05:45] <arraybolt3[m]> hadizhp: We try to help with any supported Ubuntu release (currently that means 18.04, 20.04, and 22.04), and also support official flavours of Ubuntu.
[05:46] <hadizhp> thanks
[05:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Maik: If only chat clients didn't make that intentionally difficult...
[05:46] <Maik> arraybolt3[m]: users who enter the channel get to see it right away
[05:46] <Maik> but that's offtopic here
[05:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Maik: True. Move to #ubuntu-discuss?
[05:47] <arraybolt3[m]> (I mean, would you like to continue there?)
[06:36] <gordonjcp> arraybolt3[m]: you can't just type /topic ?
[06:37] <arraybolt3> gordonjcp: I can, but guess what! Quassel colors it grey!
[06:37] <arraybolt3> And makes it looks like all the other ignorable junk. Even if I call it intentionally.
[06:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Also looks like only I see it.
[06:38] <arraybolt3[m]> So it's not something that I can fire at another user easily.
[06:38] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean, hmm... I wonder...
[06:38] <arraybolt3[m]> !topic
[06:38]  * arraybolt3[m] kicks Ubottu for not just posting the channel topic a second time
[06:39] <gordonjcp> arraybolt3[m]: fair enough
[07:00] <Guest67> Hi, I'm considering using Fedora or Ubuntu, I'm liking Ubuntu because I think more software is pre-built for it. What are some advantages of Ubuntu vs Fedora?
[07:03] <ThinkT510> Guest67: what are you planning on using ubuntu for?
[07:03] <Guest67> Just a general OS
[07:04] <ThinkT510> any specific software you need running on it?
[07:04] <Guest67> I was having mega freezing frequently, almost making system un-usable, read that the OPen Source Nvidia driver couses that
[07:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Fedora delivers newer software, and is likely more unstable than Ubuntu. For a general OS, I
[07:04] <arraybolt3[m]> I'd go Ubuntu.
[07:04] <Guest67> Yeah
[07:05] <Guest67> I like Fedora but more software seems ot be precompiled for Ubuntu
[07:05] <Guest67> FEdora looks clan though
[07:05] <Guest67> clean
[07:05] <Guest67> My computer would freeze every 20,30 minutes or so though
[07:05] <Guest67> And I was about to re-install Windows
[07:05] <Guest67> But I think the issue was my GPU driver
[07:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Ubuntu gives you a fancy checkbox that lets you install the good GPU driver out of the starting gate.
[07:06] <Guest67> yeah
[07:06] <Guest67> Which one is good in your opinion
[07:06] <Guest67> the Opensource but glitch one or the proprietary and stable one
[07:06] <Guest67> I've switched to the proprietary and tested GPU driver, hoping it fixes the freezing issue I had
[07:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Proprietary one for sure.
[07:07] <Guest67> yeah, why though?
[07:07] <Guest67> Because of stability?
[07:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Because it makes the card's full features work.
[07:07] <arraybolt3[m]> You actually get good 3d acceleration.
[07:07] <Guest67> nice
[07:07] <Guest67> I was just trying to fix the constant freezing
[07:08] <Guest67> Since Im here! ;D
[07:08] <Guest67> What are some good Linux compatable laptops
[07:08] <arraybolt3[m]> It should probably help with that too.
[07:08] <Guest67> Laptops where all the hardware works, WIFI chip is recognized by the OS by default and I dont need to manually install the driver via USB etc
[07:08] <Guest67> I was using a super-cheap ASUS, it had great battery life
[07:08] <Guest67> But it was just too under-powered
[07:09] <Guest67> I need at least an i3,i5
[07:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Almost anything will run Linux - some systems with Realtek WiFi may be tricky, Intel and Broadcom WiFi work fantastic for me. (As far as Wifi goes.)
[07:09] <Guest67> It was using below i3 CPU
[07:09] <Guest67> Are there GPU alternatives other than Nvidia/RTX
[07:09] <Guest67> Or is it only Intel Integrated, AMD integrated, Nvidia RTX?
[07:09] <Guest67> Is there another major GPU providor?
[07:09] <Guest67> Im considering if I should use Intel or AMD CPU, and Intel or AMD GPU
[07:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Those are pretty much the only three (though there's also AMD discrete).
[07:10] <Guest67> Is AMD discrete comparable to RTX?
[07:10] <arraybolt3[m]> AMD and Intel historically have the best Linux compatibility.
[07:10] <Guest67> What else is there?
[07:11] <arraybolt3[m]> https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
[07:37] <ppw> AMD has the best Linux compatibility historically? hmmmmmm
[08:01] <Light239693> Guys, help, my Linux is freezing every 5-20 minutes, using Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, AMD CPU, Proprietary Reccomended GPU driver.
[08:25] <Artichoke> hi
[08:26] <Light239693> Hi
[08:27] <Light239693> Does Artichoke enjoy being steamed like a good vegetable :D?
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> !offtopic | Light239693
[09:17] <Light1825> Hi guys
[09:17] <Light1825> Hi guys, my Linux Ubuntu 22.04 LTS is still crashing every few minutes, even after setting the https://gist.github.com/ivandiazperez/83d6b6c9f30bb286d354b2aeca1bcece modification.
[09:45] <cbreak> I never noticed that freezing, and I've been using a ryzen cpu for over a year now
[10:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Light1825: How old is the disk in your computer? This might be a failing hard drive or SSD.
[10:26] <Liblx> hey, i have a problem: new windows are always opened behind the current window. the current one is not "on top" and i tried the settings in the ccsm. nothing worked. would be great if anyone has an idea! thanks.
[10:28] <enyc> Liblx: ubuntu version / destkop type?  how long things beetn working and then ths happene ??
[10:30] <Liblx> ubuntu 20.04, gnome. it changed some days ago. i cannot reconstruct when and what i did. that's because i ask for settings and possibilities. thank you.
[12:15] <mybalzitch> kinda frustrated, ubuntu 22.04, every time my system goes into one of the sleep states the display won't wake. its a amd 6950xt and I get errors about waiting for DMUB idle. seems there's several reports about it across various distros
[12:18] <criz> ahh much bedder..
[12:18] <criz> hi there
[12:18] <criz> is there anyone who can help me ... i cant find my bluetooth headsets with my new ubuntu installation.. never had linux so i am new at the field
[12:19] <ice9> how to install the latest thunderbird version since it's not available in their PPA? https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:19] <ravage> https://snapcraft.io/thunderbird
[12:20] <ravage> or https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/102.0.2/linux-x86_64/
[12:24] <ravage> criz, which Ubuntu version? what is the output of "rfkill" in a terminal?
[12:24] <Liblx> could anybody help me, which settings i could try/change for my problem above? if i'd know more, i could solve it by searching for that. i searched a lot but couldn't find any solutions.
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> mybalzitch: share your dmesg with the volunteers so they can help trace whats going on
[12:47] <yrnick> Hello!
[12:48] <luna__> hey
[12:49] <respawn> welcome this is ubuntu help channel if you need help ask here
[13:08] <WeeBey> hi friends. Just curious if anyone has been able to install MacOS on a VM in Ubuntu.
[13:10] <ravage> that is a MacOS question really
[13:10] <WeeBey> I'm not sure if MacOS people would have as much interest in running MacOS in a VM.
[13:10] <ravage> it is off topic for this channel
[13:10] <Drew_Neilson> Ravage not necessarily... it's also about virtualization under Ubuntu
[13:11] <WeeBey> I run all kinds of VMs on my Ubuntu. I imagine people do too for development. Just wondering if anyone had tried and succeeded.
[13:11] <ravage> Drew_Neilson, with your logic we have to support any OS you run in a VM
[13:13] <WeeBey> ravage are you the type that when I mentioned a GTK bug that shipped with 22.04 , you'd tell me that it's off topic because GTK4 is not Ubuntu? lol
[13:13] <Drew_Neilson> For sure, the installation and use of MacOS under a hypervisor would be off-topic, but maybe discussion of type II hypervisors running in Ubuntu would be okay?
[13:13] <ravage> WeeBey, im not your type
[13:14] <Drew_Neilson> As it relates to Ubuntu, I mean
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:15] <luna__> Hey
[13:16] <Drew_Neilson> Hi BluesKaj
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> Drew_Neilson: we have an #ubuntu-discuss channel for that
[13:19] <BluesKaj> hi Drew_Neilson
[13:21] <Drew_Neilson> lotuspsychje fair point
[13:48] <Drew_Neilson> I installed Ubuntu Server on an old PC that no one was using because the Server version felt more appropriate for what I want to do with it and because I need for the OS to have minimal resource usage. However, I'm new to Ubuntu and so there is a learning curve. Can I upgrade Server to the desktop version of Ubuntu but make it so that it boots into
[13:48] <Drew_Neilson> Server (with minimal resource usage) and only loads the desktop stuff (the GUI, etc) when I tell it to?
[13:49] <Drew_Neilson> Like how with DOS + Windows 3.1, the PC would boot into DOS and you would open Windows by typing [Win] (without the brackets) at the command prompt
[13:53] <ravage> you can install any desktop on the server version and disable the auto start of the window manager
[13:54] <gordonjcp> Drew_Neilson: yeah, you'd just need to install ubuntu-desktop
[13:54] <gordonjcp> if it's a really low-end machine, maybe lubuntu-desktop
[13:55] <gordonjcp> Drew_Neilson: installing a desktop might not really help all that much though
[13:56] <Jim`> So, I always wondered in general what is the correct term for "-(something)" ? Is it "negative" or "switch" ?
[13:57] <ravage> Jim`, https://betterdev.blog/command-line-arguments-anatomy-explained/
[13:57] <Jim`> ravage: so it's a flag
[13:57] <ravage> right
[14:05] <oerheks> Drew_Neilson, ' sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target '  ## to boot in the gui https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/switch-boot-target-to-text-gui-in-systemd-linux/
[14:16] <MaNa2k> so is there a way to switch off only the monitor when running the ubuntu server, the monitor seems to be on all the time ?
[14:18] <oerheks> push the power button?
[14:20] <MaNa2k> oerheks, lol, i dont want the server to go to sleep
[14:21] <oerheks> lol .. you know which power button i point to
[14:59] <Drew_Neilson> On Ubuntu Server, what is the command to see what files and folders I have permission to change? I am the only user.
[15:00] <Drew_Neilson> Second question: can it be done via SSH?
[15:00] <leftyfb> Drew_Neilson: why?
[15:02] <Drew_Neilson> Because it's easier for me to do it via SSH than to unplug my mouse and keyboard from my main PC and plug them into this server, and then switch my AV receiver to the server for display.
[15:02] <leftyfb> Drew_Neilson: why do you need a list of thousands of file snd directories that your user has the ability to "change"?
[15:04] <Drew_Neilson> Because I've been unable to copy a folder from my main PC to this server. It says "permission denied" or something like that.
[15:04] <leftyfb> Drew_Neilson: what folder are you trying to copy and to what destination and for what purpose?
[15:06] <Drew_Neilson> I'll paste the output of the terminal here.
[15:06] <leftyfb> !paste | Drew_Neilson
[15:12] <Drew_Neilson> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rKNMsQh3pz/
[15:13] <Drew_Neilson> That is the output of the Windows Terminal, not using WSL but rather PuTTY to connect via psftp.
[15:14] <leftyfb> Drew_Neilson: on the server, run:   ( ls -ld /home/drew/tempmediadrive /home/drew/tempmediadrive/videos ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:16] <Drew_Neilson> What do [ls -ld] [|] and [nc termbin.com 9999] do?
[15:17] <Drew_Neilson> IIRC, [ls -ld] has something to do with permissions
[15:17] <leftyfb> Drew_Neilson: I've told you before, you REALLY need to learn some of these basics.
[15:18] <leftyfb> Drew_Neilson: ls -ld will list the directory information, this is all piped to termbin.com port 9999 which will spit out a pastebin URL for you to post here
[15:24] <Drew_Neilson> https://termbin.com/gr65
[15:24] <leftyfb> Drew_Neilson: is /home/drew/tempmediadrive a mount of an external device ?
[15:25] <Drew_Neilson> yes
[15:25] <leftyfb> you mounted it with the mount command?
[15:26] <Drew_Neilson> I named it tempmediadrive because although it is an internal 3.5" HDD, I intend to replace it with a bigger one. Hence, 'temp'.
[15:26] <Drew_Neilson> I mounted it by adding it to the file that contains the list of stuff that should be mounted when the computer boots.
[15:27] <Drew_Neilson> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[15:28] <leftyfb> Drew_Neilson: is the drive formatted with NTFS (as well as the one you will replace it with?)
[15:29] <Drew_Neilson> The last line in that file is  /dev/sdb1       /home/drew/tempmediadrive       ext4    defaults        0       0
[15:29] <leftyfb> oh, it's ext4
[15:31] <Drew_Neilson> Thing is, I was able to do   sudo mkdir -v videos
[15:31] <leftyfb> don't use sudo to create directories in your home directory when your user needs access. That creates them with only root permission
[15:31] <leftyfb> sudo = root
[15:31] <leftyfb> be VERY careful with what you do with sudo
[15:33] <Drew_Neilson> So maybe that's why this is denying me permission to [put] the pre-rolls folder there?
[15:33] <leftyfb> Drew_Neilson: is there an OS installed on your tempmediadrive? I'm going to have you change permissions on the whole thing so you can write to it, but if there's an OS installed on it, that OS will no longer function properly
[15:34] <Drew_Neilson> No there isn't.
[15:34] <leftyfb> Drew_Neilson: sudo chown -R $USER /home/drew/tempmediadrive
[15:34] <leftyfb> Drew_Neilson: then you can test permissions by running:  touch /home/drew/tempmediadrive/file
[15:37] <Drew_Neilson> I just did [touch /home/drew/tempmediadrive/file] and can't see whatever it did.
[15:37] <leftyfb> that's good if there was no error
[15:37] <leftyfb> ls -l /home/drew/tempmediadrive/file
[15:37] <leftyfb> that'll show you the file
[15:37] <leftyfb> it should be owned by "drew"
[15:37] <leftyfb> you can remove it:  rm /home/drew/tempmediadrive/file
[15:39] <leftyfb> you should now be able to write to it over ssh
[15:40] <leftyfb> btw, every command you can run using a keyboard and monitor can be done over ssh. The only limitations are being able to send magic keys or things like CTRL+ALT+DEL and switching to tty1-9. None of which I feel you are ready for anyway
[15:41] <Drew_Neilson> https://termbin.com/tuex
[15:42] <Drew_Neilson> Does everything look right with that file?
[15:42] <leftyfb> yes
[15:43] <leftyfb> I need to step away for the day now. Good luck
[15:43] <Drew_Neilson> thanks
[15:43] <tomreyn> it is owned by users 'drew' and her primary group 'drew', while located within 'drew's home directory. that seems good. also, it's permissions allow the user 'drew' and members of the group 'drew' to read and write it, as well as anyone else to read it.
[15:43] <tomreyn> that's probably also fine
[15:44] <Hash> Morning
[15:44] <tomreyn> Drew_Neilson: If you'd like to learn a little more about these shell commands, try this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandlineHowto
[15:45] <Drew_Neilson> Oh I know that I need to learn the basics.
[15:45] <Hash> https://access.redhat.com/sites/default/files/attachments/rh_ip_command_cheatsheet_1214_jcs_print.pdf
[15:46] <Hash> For me :)
[15:46] <Hash> ip command breakdown and stuff
[15:47] <Drew_Neilson> Before I do that, I need to fix my IRC client so that I am able to use it (and log conversations such as this one, for reference) instead of using web.libera.chat, which will lose my chat history when I close the browser tab.
[15:48] <Drew_Neilson> Unfortunately, I've probably lost the conversation history from Friday, due to me rebooting this PC.
[15:48] <tomreyn> Drew_Neilson: also, it's probably good that you're forcing yourself to use psftp so that you learn some SFTP commands (which are similar to FTP commands, just the SFTP protocol is much better than FTP). However, for every day use, while you're on Windows, you might prefer WinSCP (which is really a misnomer, it really uses SFTP, too) for transferring files in and out of the Ubuntu system.
[15:48] <tomreyn> !irclogs | Drew_Neilson; no, not lost :)
[15:50] <Drew_Neilson> I previously downloaded PuTTY for a different reason: to get into the internals of an old TV via a serial cable connection. I found out yesterday--I think--that I could use PuTTY to transfer files to my Ubuntu Server.
[15:51] <tomreyn> hehe
[15:51] <Drew_Neilson> Edit: that I could *also* use PuTTY to transfer files.
[15:52] <tomreyn> oh so you have another software for transferring files in and out, too?
[15:52] <Hash> What are you trying to do?
[15:52] <Drew_Neilson> I'll move this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:54] <tomreyn> transfer files from a windows system to an ubuntu server's /home/drew/tempmediadrive as the user servers' user "drew" - which previously failed due to this directory being owned by user root, and thus being unwritable for "drew"
[15:54] <tomreyn> but that should be fixed now.
[15:55] <Hash> chown -R drew:dew ~/tempmediadrive; chmod -R ug+rw ~/tempmediadrive
[15:55] <Hash> That ought to fix permissinos for you anywhere. Run those as sudo if you need in future.
[15:56] <Hash> drew:drew*
[15:56] <Hash> And from Windows, you can use WinSCP to xfer files to a remote server with ssh.
[15:57] <Hash> There are others as well, using sftp (again requiring ssh on server), filezilla can do it, WinSCP can do it.
[15:57] <Hash> So long as ssh is on some linux/unix server, you can sftp or scp or ssh into it and xfer files
[15:58] <Hash> It may also be helpful to install openssh server
[15:58] <Hash> If you don't want to deal with windows networking crap, you can use openssh-portable on windows
[15:58] <Hash> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/openssh/openssh_install_firstuse
[15:58] <Hash> That way you don't realy have to worrya bout making SMB work with linux etc. Just keep everything scp/sftp/ etc.
[15:59] <MeXersus> Getting my Yubikey to work in WSL2 is driving me insane, was so easy on any of my "normal" distro's
[16:00] <Hash> WSL2 is a hyperV layer, and not direct hardware access, virtualized.
[16:00] <Hash> That could be the issue. Natively linux on hardware directly shou;ldn't have any issues.
[16:00] <Hash> I'm not sure if hpyerv in wsl2 allows usb passthru
[16:01] <MeXersus> It does
[16:01] <Hash> Then that should work for you I think.
[16:01] <MeXersus> It's more about the .S-pgp-agent sockets
[16:01] <Hash> I'm not sure how yibikeys/hw keys work
[16:05] <Hash> Not sure what kind of networking MS uses in wsl2/hyperv but it's not like vmware bridged networking.
[16:06] <Hash> Bridged is fast in any of my vms, 10+MB/s usually 45MB/s (super fast business class internet)
[16:06] <Hash> In my Ubuntu setup inside WSL2, I get max 800kb/s
[16:06] <Hash> So I'm guessing it uses some internal NAT type nonsense.
[16:07] <Hash> https://i.imgur.com/0CuqbmF.png anyway, I'll try poking more in it.
[16:07] <Hash> And it's focal. I wonder if 22.04 made it into MS store
[16:10] <pbox> hi I installed ubuntu on a lenovo laptop and failed to enroll the key for the drivers
[16:10] <Hash> What do you mean by 'fail to enroll the key for the drivers'?
[16:10] <pbox> apparently apt install --reinstall seems to try to enroll them again - how can I make sure I do this for all the needed  drivers?
[16:10] <pbox> MOK mnagement
[16:10] <Hash> you mean security keys for the repository?
[16:10] <pbox> it's related to UEFI secure boot
[16:10] <pbox> no
[16:11] <Hash> I see
[16:11] <tomreyn> pbox: hi, can you show the apt command and output?
[16:11] <pbox> network manager says wifi dapter not found
[16:11] <tomreyn> on a pastebin, please
[16:11] <pbox> I randomly tried some solution online
[16:11] <pbox> from here V
[16:11] <pbox> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=274365
[16:11] <tomreyn> pbox: which wireless deivce do you have there according to lspci / lsusb?
[16:11] <pbox> sudo apt install --reinstall bcmwl-kernel-source~
[16:12] <tomreyn> i see. those won't be secure bootsigned
[16:12] <pbox> broadcom
[16:12] <pbox> BCM43162
[16:13] <tomreyn> so you'd either need to sign those yourself, and create and enroll your custom MOK, or, much easier, disable secureboot
[16:13] <pbox> I tried disabling secureboot
[16:13] <pbox> directly from the BIOS
[16:13] <Hash> I always keep secureboot disabled
[16:14] <Hash> https://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers here's some more information ubuntu specific
[16:14] <Hash> reply 2, section 4 talks about Installing bcmwl-kernel-source
[16:14] <Hash> And driver signing
[16:15] <jhutchins> Secureboot exists to keep you from installing linux.
[16:17] <cbreak> not just linux
[16:18] <pbox> thanks - so apparently the table in this naswer says unknown
[16:18] <pbox> answer*
[16:18] <pbox> it's 14e4:43ae rev 2
[16:18] <Hash> For your pci id?
[16:18] <Hash> :(
[16:19] <Hash> How new is this chip? Fairly new?
[16:19] <pbox> yes
[16:19] <Hash> I've had BCM before in my life, never an issue.
[16:19] <pbox> ok apparently its building wl.ko
[16:19] <Hash> 16 years ago we had to use ndiswrappers
[16:19] <Hash> glad that's not a thing anymore.
[16:19] <pbox> with some firmware package
[16:19] <Hash> Used toh ave to extract windows drviers and run in linux with ndiswrapper
[16:19] <Hash> I wonder if that old solution works. \o/
[16:20] <pbox> https://linux-hardware.org/?id=pci:14e4-43ae-17aa-0622
[16:21] <Hash> Yeah man.
[16:21] <Hash> You could try looking into ndis and using a windows driver.
[16:21] <Hash> Your chip is too new and no drivers yet i think
[16:22] <Hash> What's peculir is that listed 20.04 as 'works'
[16:22] <Hash> peculiar*
[16:22] <Hash> Lenovo Yoga 500-15IBD 80N6 did soemthing to make it work on 20.04
[16:24] <Hash> https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#ndiswrapper here's info about ndis in deb
[16:24] <Hash> https://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper
[16:24] <Hash> No clue if such an old thing would even work  in this day and age
[16:24] <Hash> The NDISwrapper project provides a Linux kernel module that loads and runs Windows kernel API and NDIS (Network Driver Interface Specification) API drivers supplied by the vendors within the Linux kernel.
[16:24] <tomreyn> pbox: so the point that the driver is built means that it can't be secureboot signed with canonical's key (which signs pre-installed kernels and kernel modules and grub), so, if you wanted to continue using these locally built modules you'll have to install your MOK in the kernel, which i understood was attempted but failed. so you'll either need to convince your uefi firmware (possibly involving upgrading that) to allow you to install your
[16:24] <tomreyn> custom MOK, or disable secure boot.
[16:25] <tomreyn> Hash: ndiswrapper is not relevant in this context.
[16:25] <Hash> Ok
[16:26] <pbox> I will try to disable it again
[16:27] <tomreyn> pbox: yet another option would be not using this wireless hardware.
[16:30] <pbox> apparently wl module conflicts with ssb
[16:31] <pbox> and with iwlwifi
[16:32] <tomreyn> ssb?
[16:33] <pbox> https://termbin.com/xc85
[16:33] <pbox> this is from grep wl /etc/modprobe.d/*
[16:35] <tomreyn> ssb is the "Sonics Silicon Backplane driver" - you are most likely not using that
[16:35] <Jeremy31> ssb is a broadcom driver
[16:35] <tomreyn> and you would only be using iwlwifi if you also used an intel wireless chipset.
[16:36] <tomreyn> but that's not the problem you're dealing with here
[16:38] <pbox> https://termbin.com/tmjx from broadcom-sta-common.conf
[16:39] <pbox> blacklisrs a bunch of modules
[16:39] <pbox> among them b43 bcma crcm80211
[16:40] <tomreyn> that may be, but it's still not the problem you're dealing with.
[16:41] <pbox> https://termbin.com/incy from iwlwifi.conf
[16:42] <pbox> https://termbin.com/ncyk from broadcom-sta-dkms.conf
[16:42] <tomreyn> pbox: are you trying to solve a problem, or do you just like to post content you find on your file system?
[16:42] <pbox> which also blacklists
[16:42] <pbox> I thought one of these modprobe files
[16:42] <Jeremy31> That wifi chipset has been around for at least 7 years, maybe it never will be supported
[16:42] <pbox> could give us some clues :)
[16:43] <tomreyn> your issue is not that one kernel module is incompatible to another
[16:44] <pbox> it's simply unsupported hardware?
[16:44] <tomreyn> your issue is that your kernel is told to prevent loading of non-secureboot signed modules
[16:44] <pbox> I disbaled secure boot
[16:45] <tomreyn> oh, thats new info
[16:47] <pbox> I tried the live install USB media
[16:48] <jhutchins> 13 < pbox> I tried disabling secureboot
[16:48] <jhutchins> Did the live media enable the wifi?
[16:48] <pbox> and selected try ubuntu to see if the mdule was loaded there - no luck
[16:51] <simba_> hello
[16:52] <simba_> how are you?
[17:12] <tomreyn> pbox: this sounds like secure boot was not really disabled. do you want to show a photo of the bios options you changed?
[17:13] <pbox> I will double check
[17:13] <tomreyn> pbox: actually, even with secure boot disabled, your wireless would not be supported on the live boot system, becasue your hardware requires a manually built kernel module, which is not present there.
[17:13] <pbox> says disabled in the bios
[17:13] <pbox> but it built wl.ko in the installed version
[17:14] <tomreyn> i think if secureboot is disabled in bios and you're happy to keep it this way then just reinstall ubuntu now and select the option to install 'proprietary drivers' and it should work
[17:15] <tomreyn> hmm if ubuntu is already installed then you should also be able to make this work, but it may be less convenient than just reinstalling
[17:16] <pbox> ok
[17:16] <tomreyn> do you have another way to get the installer online?
[17:16] <pbox> yes
[17:16] <pbox> I use USB tethering
[17:16] <tomreyn> i'd do that, too, so it can download updates imediately
[17:16] <pbox> from my phone
[17:17] <tomreyn> that's fine
[17:18] <pbox> booting the installer
[17:19] <pbox> shows wired usb connection
[17:21] <oerheks> interesting, in #debian you say the same, pbox ?
[17:21] <oerheks> lolz
[17:21] <pbox> oerheks:  I am installing ubuntu in hers while debian on  mine
[17:21] <pbox> so the media are ready :)
[17:22] <pbox> gave it a try
[17:22] <oerheks> sure?
[17:22] <pbox> but I'm trying a fresh ubuntu install nevertheless while connected
[17:22] <pbox> erase ubuntu and reinstall?
[17:34] <tomreyn> pbox: unless there's data or confiugurations you want to backup, sure.
[17:34] <pbox> done
[17:34] <pbox> I chose ubuntu in the boot menu, not HDD
[17:34] <pbox> is this correct?
[17:35] <pycurious> Was there any particular changes made to both 18.04/20.04 in the last 2 days that causes this error : error while loading shared libraries: libtbb.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - does anyone know - or how to find the problem?
[17:35] <pbox> tomreyn: I reinstalled with usb tethering and secure boot off
[17:35] <pbox> and still no wifi
[17:36] <tomreyn> pbox: choosing "ubuntu" from the uefi firmware boot menu would boot in uefi mode, which is normally what you want.
[17:36] <pbox> thanks - shouldnt grub show up though
[17:36] <tomreyn> pbox: okay, so this just means you still need to install the driver manually
[17:37] <tomreyn> grub would only show when needed / configured to do so
[17:37] <pbox> ok - now in modprobe.d I only have iwlwifi.conf
[17:37] <oerheks> pycurious, maybe libtbb2 is not installed? sudo apt-get install libtbb2 ## or libtbb-dev
[17:39] <DIona> Dear friends, is there any firewall with GUI that works well for this distro? For example, on Windows, we have COMODO, it alerts me for each connection attempt so that I can decide, with HIPS and etc, for example "Irc Client is trying to connect" and I click to accept or decline, and when start a new soft, click to allow or end. is there something similar for linux?
[17:39] <pbox> what should I install now? https://github.com/sominlee74/linux-14e4-43ae - this may be interesting to try?
[17:39] <goddard> DIona: opensnitch
[17:39] <goddard> or if you like something more simple gufw
[17:40] <DIona> goddard, Letme google it
[17:42] <tomreyn> pbox: you now need to find out which driver is available for your broadcom wireless chipset that is compatible to your current ubuntu release / current kernel version, and install that.
[17:43] <tomreyn> pbox: i'd do a full    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get full-upgrade    first, though
[17:43] <DIona> goddard, With a fast see in github, opensnitch sounds good, it is avaliable in ubunto oficial repos?
[17:43] <tomreyn> https://github.com/sominlee74/linux-14e4-43ae is 6 years old, probably not a good idea
[17:43] <goddard> DIona: don't think so
[17:44] <goddard> DIona: i think on ubuntu you gotta build it
[17:44] <goddard> which is pretty easy
[17:45] <pbox> tomreyn: can you just take a quick look at the script I psted here?
[17:45] <tomreyn> pbox: the one i just commented on?
[17:45] <pbox> oh ye haha but the repo it gets the drivers from was updates 2 months ago
[17:46] <pbox> https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware this one
[17:48] <tomreyn> pbox: this is for entirely different hardware
[17:48] <pbox> but it says 14e4:43ae
[17:49] <pbox> which wsa the identifier of the chipset?
[17:49] <tomreyn> yes, you seem to have successfully found a github source code repository of someone who does not undertsand what they're doing.
[17:50] <pbox> I see
[17:50] <DIona> goddard, In a official repo of another distro? I preffer to use oficial repos for installs and updates for security reasons
[17:54] <ravage> DIona, there is no repository as far is i can see. so you need to update manually
[17:54] <ravage> https://github.com/evilsocket/opensnitch/issues/304
[17:55] <Doktur> Good Morning.
[17:55] <tomreyn> pbox: looks like there is no linux support for BCM43162. sorry, i had not checked this earlier because it initially seemed like it's just a matter of secureboot preventing the module to be loaded.
[17:56] <tomreyn> hi Doktur
[18:00] <DIona> @ravage, I see
[18:00] <DIona> This opensnitch works for prevend executions too, like a HIPS, or only alert network traffic?
[18:02] <tomreyn> DIona: on a side note, please do not cross post (asking the same question in multiple IRC channels at the same time)
[18:03] <ravage> DIona, no idea. im sure there is a feature list somewhere
[18:04] <DIona> @tomreyn, Sorry I Posted in Ubuntu and Debian because i want to know if has solutions for ubunto or debian, i do not know yet if i will use ubuntu or debian
[18:05] <DIona> @ravage, In the initial page i can see only a print showing net firewall, i will try to find more info
[18:56] <MetallicRock1> Hi, I'm using a 2022 released laptop, using AMD Ryzen CPU, Running Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, My system will freeze randomly from 2 minutes after boot, to 30+ minutes after booting. Windows 11 never frooze, just Linux. I've only tested Ubuntu 22.04 LTS. I set this setting: https://gist.github.com/ivandiazperez/83d6b6c9f30bb286d354b2aeca1bcece to set a
[18:56] <MetallicRock1> different power state, but my system still freezes. What else can I do? I speculate the problem is my AMD Ryzen CPU, as many people have reported Ryzen CPUs and Linux Freezing issues.
[18:57] <MetallicRock1> I'm hoping to patch or fix it, because I can't afford a new Linux laptop now
[19:22] <jhutchins> Metamorphosis: Do you have any thermal monitors installed?
[19:22] <jhutchins> Metamorphosis: It sounds like a heat problem.
[19:23] <jhutchins> Metamorphosis: There are logs like the journal (journalctl) and dmesg, but they tend to show everything up to a freeze.
[19:23] <ravage> he left a while ago
[19:23] <jhutchins> So he did.
[19:24] <jhutchins> Man, we're seeing a lot of kernel reversions.
[19:55] <ppw> kernel reversions? you mean regressions?
[20:00] <jhutchins> ppw: Yes, regressions.  Brain=A, Fingers=B.
[20:02] <ppw> I'm actually skeptical about that claim. My guess is it's the same issue it's always been - some new ACPI quirk that the Linux developers have to work around.
[20:03] <ppw> it's the story of the kernel's life.
[20:03] <jhutchins> Seems to be mostly hardware, although nothing common.
[20:21] <mobley> hello
[20:21] <mobley> heyy
[21:03] <Guest83> Hi all
[21:03] <Guest83> Following Ubuntu Core and Ubuntu 22, does the following URL needs to be updated?
[21:03] <Guest83> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[21:04] <oerheks> page is fine? last edit 2022-04-19
[21:05] <Guest83> For example, regarding the usage of LUKS1 for GRUB... (does GRUB supports LUKS2 in Ubuntu 22?)
[21:06] <Guest83> Or, maybe the TPM in Ubuntu Core could be implemented as well to make a full disk encryption (instead of Almost full..)
[21:07] <Guest83> oerheks Yeah the update date is fairly recent, though sometimes stuff aren't being updated for various reasons
[21:08] <oerheks> luks1 is old, use 2
[21:08] <cbreak> Guest83: I use zfs with encryption
[21:09] <oerheks> that, is smarter indeed
[21:10] <Guest83> According to that page (in the URL) I shouldn't be using LUKS2, because of an insufficient GRUB support
[21:13] <oerheks>  grub release 2.06 from 2021-06-08 now officially suports devices encrypted using LUKS2
[21:13] <oerheks> so yes, that wiki needs to be updated
[21:14] <Guest83> oerheks With who should I contact about this?
[21:18] <oerheks> see bottomline, date with author
[21:18] <oerheks> but i'll make a note too
[21:18] <Guest83> Thanks
[21:25] <tomreyn> Note that the LUKS2 support added at this date is limited, though (LUKS2 header with LUKS1 pbkdf2 keyslot, no argon2i support)
[21:27] <tomreyn> actually, i was referring to an earlier commit https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grub.git/commit/?id=365e0cc3e7e44151c14dd29514c2f870b49f9755
[21:29] <bangke> halo coy
[21:29] <bangke> wed te fek
[21:29] <tomreyn> Guest83: see above and this https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?55093
[21:31] <tomreyn> !id | bangke
[21:32] <bangke> no i am not speak indonesian
[21:33] <bangke> what your problem
[21:33] <tomreyn> bangke: no problem, i just tried to help you
[21:34] <bangke> ok thank you
[21:34] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[21:34] <bangke> very shank you
[21:35] <bangke> how are you to day
[21:35] <tomreyn> please note thsat this very channel is just for Ubuntu support - for other topics and social chat there is, for example, #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:36] <bangke> ok
[21:37] <gkaply532> hello!
[21:37] <tomreyn> hi gkaply532
[21:38] <gkaply532> I don't have a support question etc. I'm just testing out my irc client
[21:38] <oerheks> gkaply532, use #test for that, thanks
[21:44] <bangke> hello to
[21:53] <bangke> help me
[22:14] <elquacko[m]> did a triple monitor setup and my left and right monitors are kinda wonky
[22:15] <elquacko[m]> the primary is set to center but and the right works well when moving my mouse to the right side but I can't move it to the left it's more of like two right monitors instead of one center and one on either side of it
[22:22] <oerheks> elquacko[m], go into systemsettings> displays, and drag your monitors in the right order?
[22:22] <oerheks> and see more settings
[22:22] <elquacko[m]> oerheks: Well I did the little graphic thing is that what you're talking about?
[22:23] <elquacko[m]> The graphic seems to do anything it just gives the user a visual of which monitors are which
[22:23] <oerheks> yes, and you can drag them so you can move your mouse over all of them?
[22:24] <elquacko[m]> Not in the order that I would like
[22:24] <ravage> you can move them in any order
[22:24] <Hash> xrandr
[22:25] <Hash> change the positonsleft of, right of
[22:25] <oerheks> no need for xrandr.
[22:25] <Hash> arandr is the gui
[22:25] <oerheks> he is already in the ' gui ' ..
[22:25] <oerheks> set primairy first
[22:27] <ravage> and when the settings window is in focus it shows the number of every display on the top left
[22:27] <ravage> so it should be easy to find the right order
 "set primairy first" <- Ok primary is set
[22:32] <elquacko[m]> But monitors left and right can't be set to be left and right monitors
[22:32] <elquacko[m]> They still feel like two right side monitors
[22:33]  * elquacko[m] uploaded an image: (57KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/WIeDlscQrFNkrJghJJkeAORe/b09e47a0-8fb8-4e07-be1b-ca9230d13fdf.jpg >
[22:33] <ravage> elquacko[m], you have to hit apply
[22:34] <elquacko[m]> Well fuck me
[22:34] <elquacko[m]> .close ticket
[22:36] <elquacko[m]> https://youtu.be/KVDUs019IB8
[22:36] <elquacko[m]> I'm also trying to do this kvm thing and can't figure out how to get to do this grub thing
[22:36] <ravage> kvm thing?
[22:36] <elquacko[m]> He is using artix linux so I suppose the commands and methods will be different
[22:36] <ravage> oh
[22:37] <ravage> do you at least gave 2 GPUs?
[22:37] <ravage> and even then that process is really painful
[22:37] <elquacko[m]> think I'm just going to use the igpu
[22:37] <elquacko[m]> igpu and dedicated gpu
[22:37] <ravage> but you usually get into grub by hitting ESC
[22:37] <elquacko[m]> not gonna buy another gpu for this
[22:38] <elquacko[m]> is that in the startup screen?
[22:38] <ravage> you can do most gaming in linux now if thats what you want to do
[22:38] <ravage> elquacko[m], before the startup screen actually
[22:38] <elquacko[m]> ravage: nah I don't think I can
[22:38] <elquacko[m]> either way I want things to be isolated as much as possible
[22:38] <elquacko[m]> gaming stick with gaming and work stick with work and personal stuff can be on ubuntu
[22:39] <elquacko[m]> I think it will be simpler and safer that way
[22:39] <ravage> then do dual booting
[22:39] <elquacko[m]> I want two windows systems
[22:40] <ravage> then thats triple booting
[22:40] <ravage> but i have no idea why you would need that
[22:40] <elquacko[m]> Yeah that's why I think kvm will be easier then
[22:41] <ravage> my suggestion would be to dual boot windows and ubuntu
[22:41] <ravage> use virt-manager for additional VMs that dont need a dedicated GPU
[22:41] <ravage> and have at least 16GB of RAM
[22:42] <elquacko[m]> Is gpu passthrough with virt manager that hard?
[22:42] <elquacko[m]> With igpu and dedicated gpu?
[22:42] <ravage> took me about 3 hours to figure stuff out only to pass through my internal intel GPU to the VM
[22:43] <elquacko[m]> I think it's worth the effort
[22:43] <ravage> good luck :)
[22:43] <elquacko[m]> I have no experience whatsoever so it will take me much longer
[22:43] <elquacko[m]> How did you manage to do it?
[22:43] <ravage> patience and reading
[22:44] <elquacko[m]> Any guides you followed?
[22:44] <ravage> i found about 10 guides and mixed information from all of them
[22:45] <ravage> as i said: good luck
[22:45] <elquacko[m]> fuck that sounds like a pain
[22:46] <elquacko[m]> hey ravage I think I'll need to repartition my drive right?
[22:46] <ravage> for what?
[22:46] <elquacko[m]> do I?
[22:46] <elquacko[m]> for running the vms
[22:46] <elquacko[m]> maybe not
[22:46] <ravage> no
[22:46] <gordonjcp> just create disk images for the vms
[22:47] <gordonjcp> what are you running in them?
[22:47] <ravage> maybe find a guide how to start a VM in virt-manager before you think about stuff like GPU passthrough
[22:47] <elquacko[m]> well just 2 windows 10 machines
[22:47] <elquacko[m]> ravage: some wise advice
[22:48] <elquacko[m]> would the standard vm use igpu or what
[22:48] <ravage> it uses an emulated GPU
[22:49] <elquacko[m]> ah ok
[22:49] <ravage> works fine for any office use
[22:49] <ravage> just not for gaming
[22:50] <elquacko[m]> hmm that sounds good
[22:50] <elquacko[m]> if I were to try to passthrough gpu through it would it break anything if I do something wrong?
[22:50] <ravage> you can render your system unbootable
[22:51] <elquacko[m]> that's not ideal
[22:51] <ravage> if you try a windows VM in virt-manager read up on virtio drivers. you should use this ISO for the drivers: for windows drivers make sure to read up on virtio: https://fedorapeople.org/groups/virt/virtio-win/direct-downloads/latest-virtio/virtio-win.iso
[22:51] <elquacko[m]> alright I can make one for office and use that while I figure out how to passthrough on a separate guinea pig vm
[22:52] <elquacko[m]> fedora
[22:52] <elquacko[m]> the commands will be different won't they?
[22:52] <ravage> no
[22:52] <ravage> fedora just provides the signed drivers so windows accepts them
[22:53] <elquacko[m]> ravage: 1 guide down 9 more to go
[22:54] <elquacko[m]> ravage: would I need to update those drivers every so often?
[22:54] <ravage> not really
[22:54] <elquacko[m]> alrighty
[22:54] <ravage> i never updated anything so far
[22:55] <ravage> the most critical part is usually that during setup it will not find any HDD. so you have provide it from the ISO
[22:56] <ravage> i usually just add a 2nd CDROM drive to the VM so i dont have to switch
[22:56] <elquacko[m]> yeah I only have ssd
[22:57] <ravage> ok i will let you read up on the concept of a VM first :)
[23:02] <elquacko[m]> ok did you mean virtual storage?
[23:02] <Tahr-user> Which Ubuntu(s) would be best for this machine:
[23:02] <ravage> elquacko[m], yes
[23:02] <Tahr-user>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.9.13 i686 ** Distro: Unknown Distro ** CPU: 2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.60GHz ** RAM: Physical: 2.0GiB, 76.9% free ** Disk: Total: 29.6GiB, 80.7% free ** VGA: 1002:954f ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI1: PC-Speaker - pcsp2: HDA-Intel - HDA VIA VT82xx ** Ethernet: 1106:3065 ** Uptime: 48m 42s **
[23:02] <ravage> Tahr-user, please test your client in #test
[23:02] <ravage> oh
[23:02] <ravage> well.. ok
[23:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Tahr-user: Lubuntu.
[23:03] <ravage> sorry :P
[23:03] <arraybolt3[m]> ravage: You may have missed his first message.
[23:03] <ravage> yes i did
[23:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Tahr-user: Actually, hold on, I just realize something, Lubuntu might not actualy work...
[23:03] <ravage> at least its a 64bit CPU
[23:04] <ravage> but 2GB of RAM is really not a lot
[23:04] <ravage> if you can upgrade to 4 somehow that would help a lot with performance
[23:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Tahr-user: Lubuntu will work. It will be a bit cramped, and you might want to increase your swap space (or like ravage said, install more RAM) for best results.
[23:05] <guiverc> Tahr-user, the best isn't based purely on machine, but also what you'll do with it.  I QA-test using a 2GB RAM device & still use devices with 1GB ... BUT I use them differently to boxes with more resources, esp. more RAM.
[23:05] <arraybolt3[m]> You may also want to go with a more lightweight Web browser like Falkon instead of Firefox.
[23:05] <guiverc> Modern Lubuntu is LXQt thus is Qt5, and yes the lightest flavor, however if you're using GTK3 apps that isn't necessarily lightest anymore...
[23:06] <ravage> if you want to stay with Ubuntu maybe xubuntu is a way
[23:06] <ravage> really depends on what you want to do with that old thing :)
[23:06] <oerheks> there are more flavors, mate..
[23:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, I forgot about Ubuntu MATE. Tahr-user: What are some apps you use commonly?
[23:08] <Tahr-user> It was recommended elsewhere not to risk throwing money away into RAM in other channels since this machine might not survive the summer.  I tried two Ubuntus about version 13 or so, and they seemed heavy.  Umm, I usually use wine, and I know that is heavy.  I do not like the way firefox autoupdates or tries to now, but I play browser games.
[23:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Tahr-user: You can remove the Snap firefox and install it from a PPA or a tarball to get around that.
[23:09] <Tahr-user> Okay.
[23:09] <guiverc> the oldest supported flavor will be 20.04 LTS; as flavors come only with 3 years of supported life for a LTS
[23:09] <ravage> if you plan to get a new PC soon then maybe dont invest to much in it anymore
[23:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Tahr-user: However, if you're trying Ubuntu 13.04 and 13.10, and they seem heavy, you may want to spring for Debian instead. Virtually any modern Ubuntu is going to be heavier than that.
[23:11] <guiverc> Ubuntu 13.04 was Unity 7 & GTK3 & heavy compared to Lubuntu (LXDE & GTK2 then) or Xubuntu (Xfce & GTK2) - but anything EOL shouldn't be used online  (hey even MATE was GTK2 in 2013 ; it didn't slow till 16.04 if I recall correctly)
[23:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Tahr-user: If you want to take Ubuntu for a spin, I'd try Ubuntu MATE and Lubuntu first (both version 22.04). Uninstall the Snap firefox, install the PPA version, and see if it works. If not, I'd try out Debian with LXDE (no need to mess with Firefox on that), and see how you like that.
[23:16] <Tahr-user> The Debian requirements looked fairly heavy and complicated.  It needs a different partition from what I read.  I will look further into Xubuntu or Lubuntu.  Okay, I will check out Ubuntu MATE with uninstalled and reinstalled firefox, and Debian with LXDE too.
[23:17] <Tahr-user> Thank you for the recommendations!
[23:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Tahr-user: The system requirements will mainly vary depending on what desktop and apps you use. A barebones Debian installation with no desktop can survive on 64 MB RAM (at least I saw someone run it on something like that).  LXDE is one of the most lightweight, GNOME is one of the heaviest.
[23:19] <arraybolt3[m]> LXQt (Lubuntu), XFCE (Xubuntu), and MATE (Ubuntu MATE) are on the lighter end of the spectrum, KDE (Kubuntu) closer to the heavier end.
[23:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (And you can get lighter than LXDE and heavier than GNOME, but anything lighter than LXDE is going to be painful if you're not used to it, and anything heavier than GNOME is going to be way overkill.)


[15:19] <bazhang> criminy
[15:19] <bazhang> why compile when its in the repos
[15:19] <bazhang> and dont even know how to compile
[18:00] <k1l_> !guidelines > imAsheep
[21:16] <genii_> That yeltzooo9 in ##fix_your_connection has been there for what seems forever. Soimetimes I wonder if it's a bot
 k1l_: well no. It is almost empty, with the topic referring to a website that says I don't have permission to read
[21:39] <k1l_> regarding #canonical . the user wants to talk to them since he says he cant unsubscribe from newsletters or such
[21:41] <hggdh> as far as I can remember that channel is now dead, and it is only for canonicalers
[21:41] <hggdh> and the user cannot see the link because it is an internal Canonical link
[21:42] <hggdh> I do not remember what channel could be used, but #launchpad would have people capable to find it out
[22:25] <c0mrade> Hello.
[22:35] <k1l_> hi


[00:16] <christel> rawr
[00:18] <Seeker`> o/
[00:19] <Darael> Mid-night uuk denizens! Run!
[00:19] <AlanBell> evening all
[00:20] <Dave2> morning
[00:20] <Seeker`> Dave2: you have to be different!
[00:21]  * Seeker` wonders if Dave2 still prints out every leet o'clock
[00:30] <Azelphur> :p
[00:33] <Dave2> Seeker`, no :(
[00:34] <Seeker`> :( :(
[00:34] <Dave2> after I realized I'd spent several hours of my life doing it
[00:34] <Seeker`> haha
[04:58] <bootlknvf> Mornin' everyone !
[07:22] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:01] <christel> GOOOOOD MORNING
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> \o christel
[08:23] <christel> maaaartijn :D
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> time for tea!
[08:53] <popey> morning
[08:53] <MartijnVdS> howdy popeyman
[09:07] <jacobw> morning ubunteros
[09:09]  * Laney wonders why the archers is entering his brain
[09:10] <Laney> OFF
[09:10] <pinky-> Laney, because you watched DrWho yesterday and got a brainwash?:)
[09:13] <pinky-> archers was mentioned yesterday in the Dr Who episode and I just wondered if it was your subconscious?
[09:14] <popey> Not impressed with this series of Dr Who :(
[09:16] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:16] <SuperEngineer> o/ brobostigon
[09:17] <jacobw> Laney: check out this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeIEovjOVdI
[09:17] <brobostigon> o/ SuperEngineer
[09:20] <mattt> archers?  that weird show they play on bbc radio?
[09:20] <pinky-> to be honest I stopped watching Dr Who regular back in 1987 when Sylvester McCoy became the Dr.
[09:21] <christel> RAWR
[09:21] <brobostigon> RAWR
[09:21] <christel> :D
[09:21] <christel> Oooh dr who
[09:21] <brobostigon> yes.
[09:21] <brobostigon> last night,
[09:22] <christel> i forgot about dr who amongst the happy houring with AlanBell and bigcalm and Dave2 last night
[09:22] <christel> i should watch it now!
[09:22] <brobostigon> :)
[09:29] <pinky-> Though I will say the last two Doctors have been a lot less "Pantomime" and I do now at times watch the odd episode. It's been better since
[09:29] <pinky-> David Tennant
[09:30] <popey> hmm, where can I buy bento flakes round here
[09:31] <Laney> bonito
[09:31] <Laney> ?
[09:31] <popey> duh, yeah
[09:31] <Laney> local chinese supermarket does them here
[09:31] <Laney> well s/chinese/asian/?
[09:31] <popey> i dont think we have any of those close by
[09:31]  * popey rummages..
[09:32] <popey> but not in iOS6 maps.. AMIRITE!?
[09:32] <AlanBell> popey: in Aldershot near the station
[09:32] <popey> ooh
[09:33] <pinky-> When I live in Alton and then later Bordon, my local DHSS was in Aldershot:)
[09:33] <pinky-> near the station
[09:33] <popey> Seyma Food Centre?
[09:33] <popey> http://goo.gl/maps/p40qr
[09:33] <AlanBell> yeah
[09:33] <popey> thanks
[09:34] <AlanBell> dunno if they have that specifically
[09:34] <Laney> give them a tinkle
[09:34] <AlanBell> the corner shop over the road from there does nice biltong (was no biltong in the seyma shop)
[09:34]  * popey is doing that
[09:35] <popey> no, they dont
[09:38]  * gord got a new ipad3 for £350, good deal
[09:38] <gord> its not as good as everyone makes it out to be..
[09:40] <popey> gord, are you in foreign?
[09:41] <gord> yup
[09:41] <jacobw> in foreign?
[09:41] <popey> abroad
[09:41] <gord> spending two weeks in seoul, half way done. gonna go hike a mountain tomorrow!
[09:41]  * jacobw shakes head
[09:42] <popey> what made you choose seoul?
[09:42] <popey> also, get back here and fix unity! :)
[09:43] <jacobw> he's looking for seoul mate
[09:43] <gord> i didn't know much about korea and wanted to know more :) really interesting history
[09:43] <jacobw> (really sorry)
[09:44] <gord> went to the DMZ yesterday and stood in north korea
[09:44]  * SuperEngineer hums "Paint It Black"...
[09:45] <jacobw> how was it gord ?
[09:46] <gord> fantastic
[09:46] <gord> https://picasaweb.google.com/112811220238447511854/DMZAndJMATour?authuser=0&feat=directlink have photos
[09:48] <popey> cool
[10:02] <popey> i see Sascha Pallenberg is in Seoul too, is there a conf on?
[10:08] <gord> iruno? i'm certainly not here for anything
[10:10] <popey> gord, you played nikki and the robots yet?
[10:10] <gord> nup, looks cool
[10:12] <popey> it is, very, lots of community levels and an editor
[10:14] <popey> pay what you want too
[10:15] <Laney> what's the difference between that and the Free version?
[10:33] <popey> the pay version gets you the levels they designed
[10:35] <Laney> ah
[10:35] <Laney> there's a package but I haven't built it yet to see what you get
[10:36]  * Laney svn co svn+ssh://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-games/packages/trunk/nikki
[10:40] <popey> when you pay you get a 'key' which lets you download the extra content
[10:40] <popey> which works really nicely inside the app, it's a very well designed app
[10:40] <popey> e.g. when you go full screen it just works (as it should) unlike most of the humble bundle on linux this time around
[10:44] <pinky-> wow I just found another new word in a new news story, Headline reads, "World Record One Petabit per Second Fiber Transmission over 50-km."
[10:45] <pinky-> well new word to me anyweays
[10:45] <pinky-> anyways*
[11:05] <pinky-> A petabit is one thousand terabits and a terabit is one trillion binary digit s, or 1,000,000,000,000 (that is, 10 12 ) bits. My mind has gone BLANK.
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> F1 time almost
[11:05] <pinky-> MartijnVdS, yeah 5 mins
[11:06] <SuperEngineer> anyway of doing a ban on the troll?
[11:06] <SuperEngineer> *any way
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: troll? Where?
[11:07] <SuperEngineer> is now known as [various inflamatory names]
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> ah him
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> he who changes names every few hours
[11:08] <SuperEngineer> that be the one
[11:10] <pinky-> F1 is about to start, need coffee!
[11:11] <SuperEngineer> vrooom vrooom....
[11:11] <Laney> yes, you definitely need caffeine to survive F1
[11:12]  * SuperEngineer switches status to "Watching F1" [& sends pity in Laney's direction]
[11:12]  * Laney is going to go out :P
[11:12] <Laney> after test installing nikki
[11:13] <SuperEngineer> Laney: if you're lucky you'll end up in a pub with F1 on 80" widescreen
[11:13] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[11:39]  * MartijnVdS likes his 46" :)
[11:41] <pinky-> I bet Eddie Jordan's jeans look even more strange on 46"
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> Eddie rocks :)
[11:42] <SuperEngineer_> just seen that somehow I'm on here as me & me_ ... wtf????
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> You, yourself and you?
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: 2 clients, or a disconnect of some kind :)
[11:44] <SuperEngineer_> suspects netbook disconnect - forget it was even on -whoops
[11:44] <SuperEngineer_> time to log off both & stop this Dr. Who impersonation
[11:47] <SuperEngineer> You are now identified for SuperEngineer.  -that's what I wanted, thanks Freenode...
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> \o SuperEngineer
[11:48] <SuperEngineer> ...next time please tell me - hey, you left the netbook on! Thankyou
[11:48] <SuperEngineer> o?
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> :)
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> \o = \o/ but with only 1 arm in the air :)
[11:49] <penguin42> the other one is busy....
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: yeah, Eddie Jordan on TV.....
[11:50] <SuperEngineer> o? was to check if my arm still worked after becoming a split personality - dodgy stuff this time warping ;)
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: easier than space warping..
[11:51] <SuperEngineer> [plus I was distracted by salute to th2the prof"
[11:51] <SuperEngineer> *"the prof"
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> they had a feature about him yesterday
[11:52]  * SuperEngineer nearly has all molecules back in one body - non quantomly speaking
[11:53] <SuperEngineer> - it would spoil the race but it would be oh so nice to have a tribute random safety car lap
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> safety car RACE
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> \o/ HD TV
[11:54] <penguin42> HD safety car - or smoke?
[11:56] <SuperEngineer> wot - no smoke?
[11:56]  * SuperEngineer looks a tobacco ... mmmm
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[11:58] <SuperEngineer> verb - to smoke - to act like a tyre on a Ferrari with no traction control
[11:58] <SuperEngineer> [or a Top Gear presenter]
[12:01]  * SuperEngineer doubts that these F1 cars carry a Boot Repair CD... SuperEngineers do
[12:02]  * SuperEngineer smiles smugly
[12:03] <pinky-> silver Rizla ftw
[12:03] <SuperEngineer> Dinosaurs on a spaceship?  I await "Tiny Vroom Vrooms on a Tardis" episode ;)
[12:12] <SuperEngineer> In case it adds to anyones enjoyment of the race: live race on TV, live timings from F1.com, pit lane radio [livish] from BBC formula1 site.  F1 heaven.
[12:13] <brobostigon> i have the timings from the bbc f1 site.
[12:13] <pinky-> yup and ad-free heaven
[12:13] <brobostigon> the almost ncurses terminal, view.
[12:14] <brobostigon> pinky-: yup :)
[12:25] <pinky-> 28 seconds total pit time is a long pit, Singapore pit stops dramatically change positions
[12:28] <pinky-> But Singapore have a 100% record for saftey car so I guess that will always bring the cars all back together at times.
[12:29]  * pinky- waits for the Saftey Car
[12:34] <SuperEngineer> pinky-: if a certain 2 drivers keep driving the same way your wish will soon be granted
[12:38] <einonm> I've just read a rather interesting blog post from Mr Shuttleworth, regarding Amazon search results.
[12:40] <pinky-> SuperEngineer, yup or a drivers investigation of a curiously close wall
[12:41] <einonm> One line caught my eye in particular - "we have root". Can anyone shed some light on what he means? I assume it's not what I think it is.
[12:42] <penguin42> URL?
[12:42] <SuperEngineer> einonm: I think you can safely assume it wasn't root beer
[12:42]  * SuperEngineer also awaits URL
[12:42] <einonm> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1182#comments
[12:43] <SuperEngineer> cheers
[12:45] <penguin42> einonm: Yes, that's a 'we can already do everything to your machine, so don't worry that we're doing something else'
[12:46] <popey> indeed
[12:46] <popey> you already trust ubuntu developers with root access to your machine, every time you use software centre / apt / synaptic / dpkg
[12:47] <einonm> Ok, fair enough. Not the most media friendly way of putting it though!
[12:48] <einonm> I've only just started using ubuntu in anger, that sort of comment doesn't really endear me to the platform.
[12:49] <SuperEngineer> popey: isn't there a slight difference there? as in "I know I handed over control -temporarily-" ?
[12:49] <popey> its just an example
[12:49] <popey> there's plenty of other things which run as root on your machine
[12:49] <SuperEngineer> indeed
[12:50] <SuperEngineer> ...and to give it another advert - including the Ubuntu Boot Repair utility - thanks ye gads it does!
[12:53] <SuperEngineer> [it does what you know it does - & it does it when you've been recovering with gparted & your eyes are tired]
[12:55] <einonm> popey: true, but I trust the average developer more than someone who talks about what is essentially dropping adware onto my computer
[12:56] <brobostigon> thats the pub visit out of the window. rain, :(
[12:56] <SuperEngineer> I notice nobody picks up the next comment "In summary – please don’t feed the trolls". well said, Mr. S.
[12:56] <popey> einonm, same people
[12:57]  * SuperEngineer hands brobostigon a virtual brolly
[12:57] <brobostigon> :)
[12:57]  * brobostigon thanks SuperEngineer
[12:58] <einonm> popey: that's a bit of a sweeping statement! Not all (not even the majority?) of the software on ubuntu is written by Ubuntu developers, to whom I think you're referring
[12:59] <popey> you misunderstood my point
[12:59] <popey> the people who made the shopping lens are the same people who also have root on your box
[13:00]  * SuperEngineer hands einomm a pair of virtual safety goggles, fireproof oversuit, magic shield & running shoes.. & good luck!
[13:01] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[13:01] <penguin42> popey: I just asked for a pointer to how the anonymisation is done; I pointed out that while you do indeed have root at least we can see the source to the packages we get
[13:02] <einonm> popey: Ah, ok. But I guess you're giving root to anyone who has written any of the code that then runs.
[13:02] <popey> its not a useful point that he's made
[13:03] <einonm> popey: Maybe not useful to ubuntu, but I could argue that it's useful to someone deciding which distro to use!
[13:03] <popey> you know of a distro where there are no developers which have root on your machine?
[13:04] <SuperEngineer> ooo, me sir, me sir, me sir; I do!!
[13:04] <einonm> popey: not unless I put one together myself after reading all the code?
[13:04] <popey> exactly
[13:04] <SuperEngineer> [it's called the mains plug]
[13:05] <einonm> but that arrangement is based on trust - and I think I'm basically saying that comments like that erode the trust
[13:06] <einonm> As I'm not fluent with lenses yet - you can just remove them, right?
[13:06] <penguin42> gah for some reason my comment has been by flagged by the Akismet spam detector - heck knows why, I wonder how the moderation system works
[13:07] <SuperEngineer> pinky-: your wish just came true
[13:08] <pinky-> safe ty!
[13:10] <SuperEngineer> einomm - it is, I hope, still a -circle- of trust, not just trusting one bod - *that* is the thing that must be defended & *proved* in such a scenario, & seems to have been forgotten by an interviewee
[13:17]  * SuperEngineer slaps wrist for suggesting some people are kindling their own trust with pound coins
[13:19] <SuperEngineer> & if anybody got that meaning - slap my other wrist for not being obscure enough ;)

[13:24] <pinky-> umm

[13:26] <SuperEngineer> ...this is the one that has a professor in thepassenger seat
[13:28] <SuperEngineer> now would be a good time for the nedical car to a memorial lap of honour
[13:28] <SuperEngineer> *to do a
[13:29] <einonm> SuperEngineer: As long as the source code is there, I'm not too worried!
[13:29]  * einonm takes the foil hat off now.
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> heh https://twitter.com/sarcasticapple/status/249556622228213760
[13:34] <balor> Anyone have a working Samsung ML 2168 printer?
[13:35] <StevenR> balor: iirc, Samsung provide drivers for their printers...somewhere
[13:35] <StevenR> I've made them work in the past
[13:35] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: http://www.apostrophe.org.uk/ ...I was one of the founder's ;)
[13:35] <balor> StevenR, kinda.
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: one of the founder's what?
[13:35] <SuperEngineer> correct
[13:35] <balor> StevenR, I don't quite get whether I should be using splix or some binary from Sammy
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ @ SuperEngineer
[13:36] <StevenR> balor: splix?
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> won't plugging in the printer start an automatic download though?
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> I've seen that happen with Epson drivers
[13:36] <balor> StevenR, Apparently an implementation of SPL (Samsung PRinter Language) for CUPS
[13:37] <balor> MartijnVdS, This printer seems to be too new for the available packages.  But the newer PPD doesn't work, so there must be some binary magic going on somewhere.
[13:37] <SuperEngineer> sometime's, the way peoles's's use apostroph'es in the wrong the p'lace can be annoying
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> balor: this is why I buy printers that list "Postscript" or "PCL" as a supported protocol/language ;)
[13:38] <SuperEngineer> sometimes it's just a mis'take
[13:39] <balor> MartijnVdS, I should've done that.  Normally I don't buy anything that isn't on the linux printers database....time to return this
[13:39] <penguin42> balor: Which one is it?
[13:39] <StevenR> balor: I think Samsung provide drivers
[13:40] <penguin42> Sammy are normally pretty good about Linux support - I've had two that just worked
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> Did anyone notice the Ubuntu release manager in yesterday's Doctor Who? :)
[13:41] <balor> penguin42, ML-2168
[13:42] <penguin42> balor: And what happens - is it recognised at all?
[13:42] <balor> StevenR, They seem to provide a 42Mb tar.gz that puts binaries all over the place
[13:43] <balor> penguin42, It's recognised, configured as a 2150, by default, but does nothing.  If I change the driver to something incorrect, it prints an error - bad driver - message
[13:43] <balor> It looks as if the 216* series is quite new
[13:45] <penguin42> balor: Can you submit a bug for it
[13:46] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: surely you mean "in next week's" Dr. Who... whoops - darn this time travel!
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: nah yesterday's
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> more proof that Canonical = UNIT
[13:47] <SuperEngineer> :D
[13:48] <penguin42> balor: Looks even the ml-2150 is listed as untested on the splix site
[13:49] <SuperEngineer> ...but the mitilia aren't in Canonical HQ yet. [hang on - I'll have a quick look see.]
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: no secret basements?
[13:49]  * SuperEngineer jumps forward a little teensy weensy bit
[13:50] <SuperEngineer>   - Damn.... very soon now!]
[13:51] <SuperEngineer> & the place is full of little cubes, not dinosaurs!
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> next week is going to be sad :(
[13:51] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: You could try reselling them on amazon
[13:52] <SuperEngineer> end of pretty lady & less than pretty man?
[13:53] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: I did... three decades from now .... everyone said they were boring... didn't do anything. no sale
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: but come Christmas, new pretty lady!
[13:53] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: I did... three decades from now .... everyone said they were boring... didn't do anything. no sale;(
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they'll show up in the dash anyway
[13:54] <SuperEngineer> ;(
[13:55] <SuperEngineer> hmmm Senna has become a decorator?  "Senna brushed the wall just now" according to commentator
[13:56] <SuperEngineer> he's not very good - nice blue colour walls but obviously keeps missing large bits
[13:58] <SuperEngineer> 1st person to come up with a Dr. Who, Formula 1 & Amazon combined sensible comment gets a Darwin award
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: Brazilian GP, TARDIS materializes on track?
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> that's Formula 1 in the Amazon + Doctor Who
[14:00] <SuperEngineer> StevenR: you came close with "I think Samsung provide drivers" but no Amazon comment.. you're saved
[14:01]  * SuperEngineer ignores MartijnVdS comment... obviously trying too hard  :D
[14:02] <SuperEngineer> ...but in view of the lack of other contenders......
[14:02] <Azelphur> barclay/google are trolling me, I tried to use pingit but they block me because I have a rooted phone, now that I've tried to use it they keep showing me adverts for it even though they won't let me use it :@
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: stop rooting your phone :)
[14:02] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: xD
[14:02] <Azelphur> it's funny because there's no real bonus to security anyway
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> I've only unlocked my bootloader
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> not rooted
[14:03] <Azelphur> hehe, I need root :)
[14:03] <SuperEngineer> Azelphur: stop trying to reply or feed them... danger will; robinson, Danger
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: coin mining eh
[14:03] <Azelphur> SuperEngineer: xD
[14:04] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: titanium backup / datasync / clocking / rom manager are a few reasons I use root :)
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: My data syncs with Google.. I don't need over/underclocking
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I use stock ROM
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> so.. meh :
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> :)
[14:04] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: you can auto sync app data with google?
[14:04] <Azelphur> eg save games?
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> games? on a phone?
[14:05] <Azelphur> and a tablet
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> some preferences are saved to google
[14:05] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:05] <Azelphur> not at all similar to datasync
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> I don't have games.. other than Wordfeud which stores everything server-side
[14:05] <Azelphur> :P
[14:10] <SuperEngineer> did anyone else spot the major guff at the end of the F1 race commentary?
[14:11] <penguin42> http://spectrum.ieee.org/robotics/industrial-robots/rethink-robotics-baxter-robot-factory-worker   nice robot  (running Linux apparently)
[14:11] <SuperEngineer> "as the safety cars and fireworks explode above the track"
[14:12] <SuperEngineer> good on ya Sid - RIP
[14:49] <Azelphur> have we passed the point of no return for changes in 12.10 yet?
[14:49] <penguin42> Azelphur: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[14:50] <Azelphur> fun
[14:50] <penguin42> Azelphur: So there are some freezes not for another week or two
[14:50] <Azelphur> desktopinfrastructurefreeze, I assume that means we're stuck with the whole privacy leaking amazon thing now?
[14:50] <penguin42> Azelphur: Looks like it, you can remove the package that does it
[14:51] <Azelphur> yea, leaking privacy by default isn't my cup of tea though.
[14:51] <popey> *sigh*
[14:51] <penguin42> Azelphur: I agree
[14:51] <Azelphur> popey: figured you'd have an alternate opinion, lets hear it :)
[14:52] <penguin42> popey: But security doesn't seem to be on the agenda in any of the design, things like the default guest session (and not having a GUI way to disable it) are the same type of lack of thought
[14:52] <popey> Nope. Been talked about over and over for the last 8 hours
[14:53] <penguin42> apologies, that was intended for Azelphur:
[14:53] <Azelphur> scrolled up a bit and perused over what you said :)
[14:53] <Azelphur> I agree trusting the developers is one thing
[14:54] <Azelphur> sending all my searches, unencrypted, to an advertiser, is a totally different one.
[14:54] <popey> you're wrong
[14:54] <popey> they aren't
[14:54] <popey> but lets not let facts get in the way of a good mis-informed rant eh?
[14:54] <Azelphur> according to the bug report I read that they are unencrypted *shrug*
[14:54] <penguin42> Azelphur: It's anonymised somehow - it doesn't apparently go straight to Amazon
[14:54] <popey> has 12.10 been released yet?
[14:54] <Azelphur> popey: no, but the freeze is in place
[14:54] <popey> so?
[14:55] <Azelphur> so it's not going to change?
[14:55] <popey> it can
[14:55]  * Azelphur shrugs
[14:55] <Azelphur> fair enough, I shall wait and see
[14:56] <Azelphur> they have to send the search query to amazon eventually though, even if it is anonymous it's still not good.
[14:56] <popey> not every search query
[14:56] <Azelphur> how does it decide which to send and which not to send?
[14:57] <penguin42> Azelphur: Agreed, although it's unlikely to reveal much in the query if you can't tell where it's from, but it is possible
[14:57] <popey> if you search from the files lens, or applications lens it wont
[14:57] <penguin42> Azelphur: Do you have the bug number for the unencrypted bug?
[14:57] <popey> or many other lenses
[14:57] <Azelphur> penguin42: sure it is, I've installed Ubuntu on machines owned by doctors that have patient records on their machines, leaking the file names would be totally illegal.
[14:57] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping
[14:57] <Azelphur> ah
[14:57] <Azelphur> but the default, press the super button search still searches amazon?
[14:58] <penguin42> Azelphur: Yes, agreed, although searching for JohnSmith but not knowing where it came from wouldn't let you know much; although JohnSmithSyphalisTestResults.odt might :-)
[14:58] <Azelphur> penguin42: indeed, a lot of confidential stuff can be in a file name :)
[14:59] <Azelphur> rofl
[14:59] <Azelphur> "No obvious way to restrict shopping suggestions from displaying adult products"
[14:59]  * Azelphur facepalms
[15:00] <penguin42> Azelphur: What seems to be needed is a makeitsecure package that stops things like that, and guest logins and everything else like it
[15:00] <popey> what's wrong with guest account?
[15:00] <penguin42> popey: It's got more holes than a piece of swiss cheese
[15:00] <popey> examples?
[15:00] <popey> got bugs for example
[15:00] <Azelphur> penguin42: stuff that sends any data to an advertising company needs to be opt-in by default :)
[15:01] <Azelphur> is the simple crux of the matter xD
[15:01] <penguin42> popey: No specifics, but it gives your machine all the classic holes that you can only normally do when logged in; any kernel or X bug can be triggered from it, which is something you tend not to be able to do from an unlogged in terminal
[15:02] <Azelphur> physical access is always game over anyway
[15:02] <Azelphur> tbh
[15:02] <penguin42> Azelphur: Not if done properly
[15:03] <Azelphur> penguin42: yes it is *picks up laptop and drops it out of a window*
[15:03] <penguin42> Azelphur: That's why it's kingston locked to the desk
[15:03] <Azelphur> xD
[15:04] <penguin42> popey: The trivial (very very old school one), since Guest can do full screen windows is that it should be trivial to make a mock lightdm screen and ask for a password
[15:04] <popey> probably wouldn't need to mock lightdm but actually _run_ lightdm :)
[15:06] <penguin42> popey: Nod (we did something similar back in the terminal days at college on 1st Unix box we used :-)
[15:06] <popey> yeah, me too
[15:07] <popey> VT52 terminals connected to a Pr1me computer running Pr1mos
[15:07] <penguin42> popey: The problem really is that there is very little chance of you exposing a bug at the login screen (unless you're SGI)
[15:07] <penguin42> popey: Actually, a specific one - at the 'Remote desktop' registration login on 12.10 should you be able to get a terminal; it's just a Guest account, but it seems to be trying to stop doing things like that
[15:09] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: Azelphur SuperEngineerSanityTestResults.odt you *would* want to see ;)
[15:09] <Azelphur> :P
[15:09] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: It's a very short file isn't it?
[15:10] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: :D
[15:13] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: shortest file on t'internet .. it says -bof-"not"-eof-.
[15:14] <SuperEngineer> ...you should read the file from my own planet though.... much more detail ;)
[15:14] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Mostly not ?
[15:15] <SuperEngineer> yup!
[15:20] <penguin42> interesting, as a guest user I seem to be able to add an arbitrary new wired connection to network manager, visible to the real user
[15:21] <penguin42> with an arbitrary MAC!
[15:21] <penguin42> ahem!
[15:29] <AlanBell> is that really bad?
[15:29] <penguin42> AlanBell: It is if the mac address you pick is of something else on the network
[15:31] <AlanBell> sounds mildly annoying
[15:32] <penguin42> AlanBell: Would you expect a user logged into a guest account to be able to take down your whole network?
[15:34] <SuperEngineer> hmm... DNT article ends "They [certain big companies] have said they will stop serving targeted ads but will still collect and store and monetize data."
[15:36] <SuperEngineer> it's knock me over with a feather time... I'd never have guessed ;)
[15:41] <SuperEngineer> so when your search data is sent to amazon on a totally free op sys...  perhaps we should consider the overall context?
[15:42] <popey> they're on the network, surely someone could plug any random device into the same LAN port and effect the same issue penguin42
[15:42] <penguin42> popey: I'm thinking of somewhere like a library or a school where the boxes/cabling ports might be physically secured
[15:43] <popey> I would imagine such places wouldn't have a default install with guest enabled then
[15:43] <penguin42> popey: It's a shame it's not made easy to disable
[15:43] <popey> pfft, one file to edit _is_ easy
[15:44] <popey> I would imagine a school/library have many other files they edit/deploy
[15:44] <popey> I'd be more bothered if it _wasn't_ something easily editable in /etc
[15:44] <popey> i.e. hard wired
[15:44] <penguin42> sigh, people shouldn't need to go and hack about in config files to make their machine secure
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> re my last: [as in, so far, all I've given Canonical is a pat on the back - so who was paying for my totally free op sys?]
[15:45] <SuperEngineer> ...I'd rather the soft route than the criminal route provided by others
[15:47]  * SuperEngineer has: said his bit, would prefer total privacy, can obtain it if needed, is a realist.... & shuts mouth
[15:51] <pinky-> SuperEngineer, To live in reality is to understand you are connected to everything.
[15:51] <penguin42> popey: I've logged that one as bug 1055068
[15:52] <popey> thanks penguin42
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> pinky-: to live in my reality is to realise everything is connected to me
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> ...phew, back to normal again
[15:56] <SuperEngineer> [just realised just how philosophical that was]... sounds like a case of paranoia
[15:56] <SuperEngineer> ok - who said that! I know you're watcin
[15:56] <SuperEngineer> *watchin
[16:00] <penguin42> popey: I'd be interested to know what is used to restirct /tmp and /proc from guest users, it's interesting
[16:01] <SuperEngineer> The only normal pooter not known to the outside world has no in or out ports, is in a room more secure than fort knox and has no owner
[16:01] <penguin42> Azelphur: At least searching for gimp doesn't bring up anything too unsurprising
[16:01] <Azelphur> penguin42: xD
[16:30] <popey> penguin42, yeah, it's quite cunning
[16:32] <oimon1> afternoon, anyone had problems creating mp3s on rhythmbox in 12.04?
[16:32] <oimon1> canont change settings for mp3.
[16:33] <penguin42> popey: It could do with protecting /sys as well though, although I suspect that's a kernel issue
[16:35] <oimon1> bug 945987
[16:35] <oimon1> i can't get my head around this :(
[16:42] <oimon1> nobody else rip CDs anymore?
[16:47] <balor> oimon1: use sound-juicer?  It's the default CD ripping app in Gnome
[16:47] <oimon1> balor: sound juicer , rhymbox has the same problem. cannot change mp3 setings
[16:48] <oimon1> /change/define
[16:48] <balor> oimon1: It's in the preferences of sound-juicer
[16:48] <oimon1> not for me,
[16:49] <oimon1> are you on 12.04?
[16:50] <balor> oimon1: No. Fedora 17 :)  Do you have the gstreamer mp3 plugin installed?
[16:50] <oimon1> yes
[16:51] <oimon1> they've broken something, i even downloaded the supposed fixed version and it's still broke :(
[16:51] <brobostigon> suggestions, a calendar and contacts server, that will interface with android. ?
[16:52] <oimon1> brobostigon: owncloud?
[16:52] <brobostigon> oimon1: let me look, thank you.
[16:53] <BigRedS> caldav?
[16:53] <balor> brobostigon, I use zarafra
[16:53] <brobostigon> balor: and BigRedS thank for those also.
[16:58] <popey> oimon, leave a comment on the bug?
[16:58] <popey> oimon, settings is greyed out for me, but I dunno if thats because i have no cdrom drive
[16:59] <popey> Laney, set it verification done
[17:02] <oimon1> popey: i'm not actually sure what the rhythmbox update should do
[17:02] <popey> me either, will look into it once kids in bed
[17:02] <oimon1> thx
[17:14] <brobostigon> any suggestions that are in the ubuntu repos?
[17:23] <popey> owncloud is super easy to setup
[17:24] <brobostigon> it seems to have the calendaring, yes.
[17:25] <brobostigon> popey: i will look again.
[17:27] <mattt> brobostigon: exchange?
[17:27]  * mattt lols
[17:28] <brobostigon> haha
[17:55] <penguin42> hehe stuff pops up in odd places; I'm reading a paper on brain imaging (slice and dice a brain, get your RNA expression from different bits) and it describes all the wacky bits of technology and stuff and then has 'sample locations were mapped from histology data into MR space using Inkscape'
[17:58] <popey> heh
[18:10] <BigRedS> Anyone know of a way of changing the number of workspaces in Quantal?
[18:11] <Azelphur> BigRedS: can you not install compizconfig-settings-manager and do it from there?
[18:12] <BigRedS> Azelphur: not that I can find. it used to be 'desktop size' or something, but I can't find anything related there
[18:12] <Azelphur> if you've got ccsm, it should be in general options > desktop size
[18:13] <BigRedS> Azelphur: Ta!
[18:13] <BigRedS> That's hilariously hard to find
[18:13] <BigRedS> I searched for 'Desktop' 'Size' and 'Desktop Size' and didn't get that
[18:13] <Azelphur> :P
[19:25] <brobostigon> why would ping result in the error, connect: Invalid argument
[19:25] <brobostigon>  ?
[19:25] <brobostigon> when the dns addr is correct.
[19:30] <penguin42> not specifying the length or interface?
[19:30] <penguin42> and it's definitely not a broadcast address?
[19:31] <brobostigon> said device, only has one interface i am pingging from, my vps.
[19:32] <penguin42> what type of vps is it ?
[19:32] <brobostigon> debian.
[19:32] <penguin42> but is it a kvm guest or something wackier?
[19:33] <brobostigon> xen, and my dns is with gandi.
[19:34] <penguin42> brobostigon: Odd
[19:34] <brobostigon> penguin42: agreed.
[19:35] <penguin42> brobostigon: Only type of thing I can think of would be something like a corrupt /etc/protocols or the like
[19:35] <brobostigon> penguin42: let me pastebin it.
[19:37] <brobostigon> penguin42: http://paste.debian.net/192285/
[19:39] <penguin42> brobostigon: Looks normal - in particular the icmp line
[19:40] <penguin42> anyway, got to go
[19:40] <brobostigon> ok, thank penguin42
[19:40] <brobostigon> thank you*
[20:09] <zleap> ah hi tombrough
[21:04] <Azelphur> Hmm, trying to debug my printer printing blank pages, it might be out of ink, but Ubuntu says "Marker levels are not reported for this printer", not sure if it's broken or just old or just needs new ink, xD
[21:05] <Azelphur> It's a HP Deskjet F4180
[21:20] <mgdm> I would get new ing
[21:20] <mgdm> ink
[21:20] <Azelphur> righto
[21:28] <Azelphur> lol, just restarted the printer and it shows a big "E" in the LED and is flashing black and color ink symbols, that's fairly conclusive :)
[21:31] <Azelphur> anyone know a good cheap place I might get ink for it, somewhere with next day delivery preferably? :)
[21:36] <popey> i refilled my printer with ink just today
[21:36] <popey> I'd never done the ink refill thing before, turned out eay
[21:36] <popey> *easy
[21:37] <Azelphur> haha, I have a feeling I'd be terrible at something like that and get ink everywhere
[21:38] <Azelphur> I very rarely print too, this was a second hand printer and I've had about 2 years use out of it before it's ran out of ink, lol
[21:38] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0002ZOJTQ/ref=oh_details_o00_s02_i00
[21:38] <Azelphur> cool
[21:38] <popey> well, turns out wifey wanted to print a photo all big - A4
[21:38] <popey> I said "we're out of ink", she wanted it printing NOW
[21:39] <Azelphur> haha
[21:39] <popey> So I dug that pack out, which I just looked in my orders for on amazon, turns out I bought it in August 2011, and never used it
[21:39] <popey> that's how little ink I use
[21:39] <popey> I expect to get it out again in another year
[21:39] <Azelphur> fun
[21:40] <popey> but honestly it was pretty easy
[21:40] <popey> peel off the label, inject the ink, job done
[21:40] <Azelphur> out of stock now though XD
[21:40] <popey> only got a tiny bit on the desk :)
[21:40] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:40] <popey> maybe another one thats similar
[21:41] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[21:41] <popey> do you need colour?
[21:41] <Azelphur> yea, and I have a feeling it will be more complex with my cartridges as it's one cartridge for all colors
[21:41] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Just-Refill-Colour-Universal-Starter/dp/B0002ZOJUA/ref=sr_1_2?s=officeproduct&ie=UTF8&qid=1348436482&sr=1-2
[21:41] <popey> in stock
[21:41] <popey> same as mine
[21:41] <popey> I had to do magenta, cyan and yellow
[21:41] <Azelphur> cool
[21:42] <popey> you get a bit of paper in the pack which has diagrams of every single printer cartidge
[21:42] <Azelphur> not much cheaper than the cartridges though and I need to get it going, I got people waiting for me to ship stuff, and I can't print the shipping labels xD
[21:42] <popey> with little arrows telling you where to inject, and how
[21:42] <popey> it's actually really easy, and you know me, i hate doing manual stuff
[21:42] <popey> oh it is cheaper
[21:42] <Azelphur> yea
[21:42] <popey> i only used a tiny bit of ink
[21:42] <popey> like 3ml per colour
[21:42] <Azelphur> oh good point, you get multiple goes out of it
[21:42] <popey> yeah, loads
[21:42] <popey> anyway, thats what i did today :)
[21:43] <Azelphur> hehe :)
[21:43] <popey> and my printer didn't explode \o/
[21:43] <Azelphur> popey: http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00VCoEupbsbLqM/Ink-Cartridge-22-28-57-817-for-HP-.jpg
[21:43] <Azelphur> reckon it will work with this though?
[21:43] <Azelphur> because it's 3 inks in one cartridge, might not be so simple *shrug*
[21:43] <popey> yeah, looks like mine
[21:44] <Azelphur> my printer takes HP Ink 22 and HP Ink 21 if that's in your manual
[21:44] <popey> whats the exact model number?
[21:44]  * popey looks
[21:44] <Azelphur> the printer itself is a HP Deskjet F4180
[21:45] <popey> odd, hp 21 and 22 not listed
[21:45] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/s/iydndc3vzb16dhe/2012-09-23%2022.44.49.jpg
[21:45] <popey> but 20, 26, 29 and loads of others are
[21:46] <Azelphur> It is quite an old printer, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work
[21:46] <popey> under those labels are holes
[21:46] <popey> you can peel them off safely
[21:46] <popey> they re-stick
[21:46] <Azelphur> suppose I'll peel a label off (nothing to loose xD)
[21:47] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jdLVwRGkOM
[21:47] <popey> refill hp 22 ^^
[21:47] <popey> "very easy to refill"
[21:47] <popey> :)
[21:48] <popey> i think the 21 and 22 are the starter ones you get with the printer
[21:48] <popey> low capacity
[21:48] <Azelphur> probably
[21:48] <Azelphur> also, this label is so not easy to get off xD
[21:49] <popey> yeah
[21:49] <popey> so your printer probably takes 20 and 26 or some other pair of numbers
[21:49] <popey> which are the retail ones you can actually buy
[21:50] <Azelphur> hmm, the color one has 5 fill ports o.O
[21:50] <popey> ok, its 57 and 58 yours takes
[21:50] <popey> yes, so does mine
[21:50] <popey> watch that video
[21:50] <popey> shows you
[21:50]  * Azelphur is watching
[21:50] <popey> right, 57 and 58 are listed on this thing
[21:51] <Azelphur> seems simple enough
[21:52] <Azelphur> will give it a go :)
[21:52] <popey> i even found a nice little box to keep them in
[21:52]  * popey is scanning in the leaflet
[21:52] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:53] <Azelphur> lol at £8.99 for next day shipping
[21:53] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/refill.jpg
[21:54] <popey> some supermarkets have a refill station
[21:54] <Azelphur> cool
[21:54] <popey> you walk in and pay a couple of quid and some nutter does it for you
[21:54] <popey> easy, no mess :)
[21:54] <Azelphur> nice, doubt I have anything like that here though, I live in middle-of-nowhereville
[21:54] <popey> no big supermarkets nearby? margate?
[21:54] <Azelphur> we've got a tesco metro
[21:54] <popey> ah
[21:55] <Azelphur> we have a computer shop, me and my brother jokingly call it the come back on friday shop
[21:55] <popey> tbh I used to think people who refilled printer cartidges were nut-jobs :)
[21:55] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:55] <Azelphur> there's only one guy who knows anything, and he works there on fridays, the rest of the people just tell you to come back on friday
[21:55] <Azelphur> xD
[21:56] <Azelphur> popey: btw, I already have ink all over my hands somehow
[21:57] <Azelphur> xD
[21:57] <popey> haha
[21:57] <Azelphur> ordered that refill kit anyway, hopefully will get me back up and running again
[21:58] <popey> cool
[21:58] <Azelphur> :)
[21:58] <popey> have you seen the continuous refill systems people make?
[21:58] <popey> now _they_ are for nutters
[21:58] <Azelphur> yea, I have haha
[21:58] <Azelphur> indeed
[23:36] <Danno_> is there an on screen keyboard on Lubuntu or do i need a 3rd party program for this?
[23:38] <popey> i dont think lubuntu has a specific one
[23:38] <popey> you could try onboard
[23:38] <popey> maliit is another
[23:38] <popey> and there's one I forget the name of.. one mo...
[23:39] <popey> florence!
[23:40] <Danno_> awesome, i was going a bit mad there. spent ages setting up my tablet only to discover i have no on-screen keyboard :-/
[23:40] <popey> :)
[23:40] <popey> have fun
[23:40]  * popey goes to bed


 @YippMN, What format is the USB? Does Kubuntu have the driver to read it? I had to install a driver. Etcher I think should reformat your USB and burn the iso regardless though.
[07:02] <xeqtr> Howdy folks. Quick question: I enjoy having the reverse scrolling on my touchpad. That's easy enough to set and works fine everywhere EXCEPT in the Brave browser. I haven't found any settings in Brave that could change this and haven't found any articles on the subject. Could this be due to Snap or something like that?
[09:49] <jubo2> Hi and thanks for the nice OS
[09:50] <jubo2> I'd like to briefly extrude 3D objects from 2D vectors on Kubuntu or on a cloud app, any suggestions?
[09:53] <jubo2> "Got a 2D? Here with this you can make 3D with nice effects."-software would be nice. I gotta dash, but if anyone reads and knows what I should sudo apt install or use on the web, it would be much appreciated
[09:54] <jubo2> Inkscape doesn't do 3D afaik
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 *jubo2 you can use freeCAD as software
 Or "onshape" as app or cloud service
[15:13] <jubo2> Thanks n0madcoder
[15:14] <jubo2> onshape insisted ticking a box where it says they can contact me, so installing freecad now


[04:10] <nigelb> maco: poke?
[04:10]  * maco runs
[04:10] <nigelb> gah
[04:11] <maco> oh you were grabbing me for the person pleia2 just smacked down?
[04:11] <nigelb> yeah
[04:11]  * pleia2 eyeroll
[04:11] <nigelb> I figured lyz was working on the etherpad
[04:11] <pleia2> I r multitasking
[04:12] <nigelb> heh
[04:12] <nigelb> and maco is distracted :p
[04:20]  * nigelb is not sure about the conversation in the other room
[04:20] <nigelb> but then I think all webchat users are potentially spammer
[04:21] <pleia2> nah, she's cool
[04:21] <pleia2> has been around for a few weeks :)
[04:22] <nigelb> ah, ok :)
[15:13] <czajkowski> pleia2:  I did where?
[18:04] <pleia2> czajkowski: it's a "geeknic" not a "geeknick"
[22:45] <AlanBell> "pleia2" is a geeknick
[22:46] <pleia2> indeed