[09:57] <andersbr> Thanks.  I'm only getting 10Mbps on my network,  and I'm trying to figure out where the bottleneck is.
[09:58] <Nerull> Or ls --help
[09:58] <goldfish> i3dmaster: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:58] <djm62> BoD_SWAT: or ls | less
[09:58] <goldfish> i3dmaster: instead of editing it manually
[09:58] <nalioth> BoD_SWAT: use a pipe | and then less as in "ls | less
[09:58] <i3dmaster> goldfish: did that, wouldn't help
[09:58] <nalioth> "
[09:58] <Nerull> You can use ls | more aswell
[09:58] <goldfish> i3dmaster: ahhh
[09:58] <goldfish> :/
[09:58] <goldfish> less is more !
[09:58] <rezzcobain> goldfish: ATI Radeon 9800
[09:58] <unome> true
[09:58] <Nerull> :)
[09:59] <goldfish> rezzcobain: whats up, crappy resolution?
[09:59] <BoD_SWAT> djm62, nalioth thnx guys :D
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> i3dmaster : if desperate run xorgconf
[09:59] <i3dmaster> goldfish, I chose to reconfigure it at the first time, since it did not solve the problem, then I went to manually tweak it
[09:59] <goldfish> i3dmaster: ah , i see.
[09:59] <rezzcobain> slow rendering
[09:59] <goldfish> hmmm
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> i3dmaster : press control alt + and -
[09:59] <goldfish> jeez, im not sure, dont have ati myself.
[09:59] <nalioth> i3dmaster: you can also choose VESA as your driver
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> and remember your towel.. trust me
[09:59] <brade> hello all...again
[09:59] <timtux> Im using an acer aspire 1362WLC (laptop).
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> i think xorg.conf his first line is 640 and he hasnt tried control alt + -
[09:59] <Nerull> So today i got my free-shipped cd's for ubuntu but does it have the same apt system like debian do ?
[09:59] <nalioth> i3dmaster: lots of ati users have trouble, VESA as a driver will give you many res options
[09:59] <timtux> and those shit hang
[10:00] <i3dmaster> hmm... ok, doesn't sound very good huh...
[10:00] <nalioth> i3dmaster: watch ubotu
[10:00] <nalioth> !fixres
[10:00] <ubotu> fixres is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:00] <goldfish> ngd_: of course.
[10:00] <goldfish> Nerull: Of course.
[10:00] <pipatron> Nerull: Same kind of system, different sources.
[10:00] <i3dmaster> ubotu: looked that already
[10:00] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, i3dmaster
[10:00] <goldfish> ngd_: sorry mistab.
[10:00] <timtux> Under the setup:
[10:00] <timtux> Configuring apt..
[10:00] <timtux> 25%
[10:00] <timtux> Setting up primary installation repository...
[10:00] <Nerull> Diff sources what do you mean by that ?
[10:00] <timtux> how long can that take?
[10:00] <socomm> Nerull: Different repos.
[10:00] <Seveas> timtux, try disabling network downloads during install
[10:00] <Nerull> Like i cant use my isp apt-mirror ? :S
[10:00] <nalioth> timtux: it shouldnt 'hang' at all, should take a few minutes max
[10:01] <lsuactiafner> i3dmaster : did you try control alt +  and -
[10:01] <Seveas> it seems to have a problem with connecting the network
[10:01] <socomm> timtux: Depends on your hardware.
[10:01] <i3dmaster> nalioth: I will probably try to use vesa...
[10:01] <i3dmaster> lsuactiaf, ok, let me try it...
[10:01] <andersbr> Now an obscure question:  Does anyone know if the 3c59x driver supports 100Mbps?  I believe the 3c509 cards themselves were 10Mbps only.
[10:01] <pipatron> Nerull: Not if you want a true ubuntu system, no
[10:01] <timtux> Seveas how?
[10:01] <justin> andersbr: 3c509 cards are ISA
[10:02] <timtux> nalioth, not for me.
[10:02] <justin> andersbr: read the output of dmesg and mii-tool/mii-diag if your card has mii stuff
[10:02] <pipatron> Nerull: But your ISP should set up some caching proxy instead
[10:02] <Nerull> pipatron so what are the main diffs between debian and ubuntu =
[10:02] <Nerull> ?
[10:02] <brade> question:  i installed xfce and i decided that i dont care for it much.  i want to get rid of it.  so i started synaptic and found it under 'installed'.  im i corrent in my understanding that in am going to have to manually select every xfce instance?
[10:02] <pipatron> Nerull: Ubuntu works ;)
[10:02] <timtux> socomm, brand new comp, amd semperon 2800+, 512mb RAM
[10:02] <pipatron> Nerull: *if* you stick to the ubuntu packages.
[10:02] <Nerull> pipatron lol @ u
[10:02] <socomm> timtux: Try Seveas suggestion.
[10:03] <timtux> And i asked, how to disable that?
[10:03] <socomm> timtux: Poke around a bit, you should have no problems finding the option.
[10:03] <andersbr> justin:  I know.  The card itself is a 3c905 100BaseTX.  But the driver listed is 3c59x.
[10:03] <Nerull> I'll try it on my new server-box maybe i can use it on my workstation if i like it better then debian :)
[10:03] <nalioth> timtux: do as Seveas suggested and disable networking during the install
[10:03] <pipatron> Nerull: DO the other way around
[10:03] <pipatron> Nerull: Ubuntu is targeted to desktops
[10:03] <timtux> nalioth, how do i disable netwoking?
[10:03] <nalioth> timtux: unplug your network cable
[10:03] <Seveas> timtux, the installer will ask whether you want to download or not
[10:04] <justin> andersbr: 59x is not 509, its 905. blame 3com for stupid numbering
[10:04] <d4rksh4de> which file to download  .tar.bz2    or   .tar.gz   ?
[10:04] <goldfish> lol
[10:04] <i3dmaster> lsuactiaf: well, I think its a good sign, I can change the resolution now, but my screen is splited into like 4 or 5 picecs..
[10:04] <Nerull> pipatron i will :)
[10:04] <pipatron> i3dmaster: Physically?
[10:04] <goldfish> d4rksh4de: no difference reallky, what is it?
[10:04] <nalioth> i3dmaster: vesa will help you
[10:04] <Seveas> and unplugging thr network cable might be a good idea too
[10:04] <andersbr> justin:  You think the driver should be fine,  then?
[10:04] <justin> andersbr: yes, read the output of dmesg and mii-tool/mii-diag if your card has mii stuff
[10:04] <Nerull> !iptables
[10:04] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Nerull
[10:04] <Nerull> lol
[10:04] <timtux> Serius, ubuntu is harder to insatll then Gentoo...
[10:04] <goldfish> eh
[10:04] <d4rksh4de> goldfish> gtkmm-2.6.3.tar.gz  is bigger
[10:04] <goldfish> no it's not :)
[10:04] <i3dmaster> pipatron: sometime I wish... :-) but I will do a reboot and see how it goes, otherwise, I will try vesa..
[10:04] <justin> and the 905 supports mii, so it will tell you what the link is running at
[10:05] <Nerull> Try the slackware/debian install timtux ;)
[10:05] <BockBilbo> nye
[10:05] <Seveas> timtux, sure...
[10:05] <nalioth> Nerull: iptables? you mean like this stuff? http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[10:05] <goldfish> gentoo is harder tbh
[10:05] <goldfish> d4rksh4de: k, well, the smaller one so. :)
[10:05] <Seveas> Just because *your system* has problems with the installer doesn't mean that Ubuntu is harder to install...
[10:05] <Nerull> nalioth thanks m8
[10:05] <pipatron> timtux: You're smoking too much crack.. Nothing is easier to install than ubuntu
[10:05] <Nerull> lol
[10:05] <Seveas> pipatron, keep it nice please..
[10:05] <Kyral> Yah! My laptop hates Ubuntu (and most other distros for that matter :D)
[10:06] <Nerull> Kyral: And you hate Windows right ?
[10:06] <socomm> Kyral: Blame wintel, not GNU/Linux.
[10:06] <Seveas> Kyral, get a new laptop ;)
[10:06] <nalioth> well, back to work
[10:06] <virtuald> Seveas: crack is nice
[10:06] <Nerull> lol
[10:06] <timtux> Nerull, they are easy. My first distro was slackware 8.1 ;D
[10:06] <d4rksh4de> goldfish> can the packing rate be so big   one is 3.7 MB other is 5.7 MB  ?
[10:06] <goldfish> d4rksh4de: to unzip the bz2 one, tar xvjf blah.tar.bz2
[10:06] <Kyral> Nerull, yes, I hate XP :D
[10:06] <nalioth_wrkn> virtuald: yes, the crack in a beatiful womans
[10:06] <brade> i know alot of people have questions so i'll just post this again ;) question:  i installed xfce and i decided that i dont care for it much.  i want to get rid of it.  so i started synaptic and found it under 'installed'.  im i corrent in my understanding that in am going to have to manually select every xfce instance (dependency?)?
[10:07] <virtuald> :)
[10:07] <Seveas> nalioth_wrkn, lol!
[10:07] <goldfish> d4rksh4de: hmmm, not sure really, it must be :)
[10:07] <Nerull> Kyral: You can get a beer from me anytime m8 :)
[10:07] <pipatron> nalioth_wrkn: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
[10:07] <nalioth_wrkn> brade: thre aren't that many 'instances'
[10:07] <Seveas> brade, install debfoster and read its manual :)
[10:07] <goldfish> brade: sudo apt-get remove xfce4 --purge
[10:07] <Seveas> debfoster is escellent at removing unneeded dependencies
[10:07] <Kyral> I'm going to my aunts house and bringing an Ubuntu LIVE CD so I can check my email without going into XP :D
[10:07] <goldfish> gah, ignore me.
[10:08] <Nerull> kyral use SSH :)
[10:08] <Seveas> goldfish, that will not remove unneeded dependencies :)
[10:08] <nalioth_wrkn> Kyral: take an install cd, also, save granny the virus fight
[10:08] <brade> thanks everyone...im slowly getting the hang of it...slowly
[10:08] <Kyral> Nerull: Nah, I'm gonna take this chance to show them Ubuntu as well :D
[10:08] <Nerull> Kyral: Please dont make some old people use GNU/Linux :)
[10:08] <Kyral> Although I only have a Kubuntu Live and an Ubuntu Install
[10:09] <Nerull> They got like millions of questions the next time you come around :P
[10:09] <Kyral> Nerull: The husband of my aunt uses OS X, so I have faith :D
[10:09] <nalioth_wrkn> pipatron: but i do sit drooling over this kb, waiting for questions
[10:09] <Nerull> Ow mkay :O
[10:09] <Kyral> ick,.... KDE....
[10:09] <goldfish> fluxbox !
[10:09] <Kyral> Is there anyway to take a snapshot of your current system and use it to make a LiveCD?
[10:10] <Seveas> kyral, sort of, you can see installed packages with dpkg --get-selections and remaster the LiveCD to include these packages (and your homedir)
[10:10] <brade> kyral:  good question...
[10:11] <Kyral> Seveas: Got a tutorial for that? :D
[10:11] <d4rksh4de> goldfish> is it better to get stuff from synaptic or manually install them?
[10:12] <SliderMan> why i cant open sources.list ?
[10:12] <brade> oh hey, i just realized that ubuntu has a native 'add/remove programs' utility
[10:12] <Kyral> need sudo to :D
[10:12] <SliderMan> it loading me some blank txt file :-
[10:13] <Seveas> Kyral, on the wiki
[10:13] <edgecase> anyone know what kernel is on hoary 5.04 live-cd?
[10:13] <Kyral> SliderMan, are you opening /etc/sources.list?
[10:13] <Kyral> err
[10:13] <Seveas> /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[10:13] <Kyral> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:13] <SliderMan> its not on /ect/apt?
[10:14] <brade> edgecase:  im new to this but i think its 2.6
[10:14] <edgecase> i know, but 2.6.?
[10:14] <SliderMan> gedit /ect/apt/sources.list oppenig some blamk file :-
[10:14] <SliderMan> blank :-
[10:14] <Seveas> 2.6.10
[10:14] <Kyral> WTF
[10:14] <edgecase> no promise SATA 150 II TX4 then
[10:14] <edgecase> thx
[10:14] <Kyral> How the FSCK am I supposed to have 2-3 GBs of SWAP
[10:15] <SliderMan> someone have ideas/
[10:15] <SliderMan> ?
[10:15] <Kyral> ehehehe
[10:16] <Kyral> I have 1.4 GB of Swap :D
[10:16] <cast> obviously since /ect doesnt exist SliderMan
[10:16] <SliderMan> 1.2 GB of Swap :d
[10:16] <cast> i have no swap :D
[10:16] <Kyral> oh, there is this thing :D
[10:16] <SliderMan> i cant understad what not exist?
[10:17] <d4rksh4de> anyone have experience with gtkmm ?
[10:17] <cast> what does ls /ect/apt/sources.list say?
[10:17] <goldfish> no point having 1.4 gig swap partition
[10:17] <goldfish> you're better off splitting it up into smaller partitions
[10:17] <djm62> unless you're doing serious serious linear algebra, shurely?
[10:19] <cast> even 10000 simultanious questions will only take up 20 megs or so
[10:19] <timtux> Wtf, if i not having the networkcable inplugged when i trying to install ubuntu it says it dosent have any mirror to install from...
[10:19] <cast> you might need the 1.4gig for dealing with large images
[10:19] <SliderMan> cast, i have a /ect dir and when i open it from there its opened readonly
[10:19] <SliderMan> what is swap anyway?
[10:20] <djm62> cast: I was thinking astronomical data, or even seismics at a decent resolution
[10:20] <SliderMan> i want to do 777 to sources.list
[10:20] <Seveas> SliderMan, DO NOT do that...
[10:20] <djm62> s.
[10:20] <timtux> Then do it?
[10:20] <timtux> ;>
[10:20] <Seveas> that's so asking for problems..
[10:20] <djm62> SliderMan: no need to do that, and it's bad hygeine
[10:20] <goldfish> indeed
[10:21] <cast> hmm, i have no experience with that :(
[10:21] <timtux> chmod =D
[10:21] <djm62> hygiene, even
[10:21] <SliderMan> so how can i edit the file?
[10:21] <goldfish> SliderMan: using sudo
[10:21] <Seveas> SliderMan, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:21] <djm62> SliderMan: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:21] <Seveas> If it is blank, it is empty, but that would be weird
[10:21] <SliderMan> ohhh thanks!
[10:21] <Seveas> SliderMan, can you paste the output of 'ls -al /etc/apt' on the pastebin please
[10:22] <SliderMan> moshe@SerVer:~$ ls -al /etc/apt
[10:22] <SliderMan> total 32
[10:22] <SliderMan> drwxr-xr-x   3 root root 4096 2005-06-27 23:22 .
[10:22] <SliderMan> drwxr-xr-x  97 root root 4096 2005-06-27 23:01 ..
[10:22] <SliderMan> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root 4096 2005-06-27 19:59 apt.conf.d
[10:22] <SliderMan> -rw-------   1 root root    0 2005-06-27 19:40 secring.gpg
[10:22] <SliderMan> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 1228 2005-06-27 23:22 sources.list
[10:22] <SliderMan> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 1238 2005-06-27 19:46 sources.list~
[10:22] <SliderMan> -rw-------   1 root root 1200 2005-06-27 19:40 trustdb.gpg
[10:22] <SliderMan> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 2381 2005-06-27 19:40 trusted.gpg
[10:22] <SliderMan> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 1724 2005-06-27 19:39 trusted.gpg~
[10:22] <SliderMan> moshe@SerVer:~$
[10:22] <SliderMan> why?
[10:23] <jbroome> this isn't the pastebin
[10:23] <SliderMan> what is pastebin?
[10:23] <jbroome> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:23] <resiak> SliderMan: /topic
[10:23] <SirGir> SliderMan, read the topic
[10:24] <cast> uh, why is there a keyring in /etc/apt?
[10:24] <topyli> anyway sources.list is there
[10:24] <SliderMan> :)
[10:24] <topyli> it has even been edited :)
[10:26] <kwilcox-afk> is it possible to change the file system in the installer to Reiser?
[10:27] <someluser> my java runtime is broken and won't run azureus
[10:27] <someluser> can anyone help?
[10:27] <jo> hoe to look for older packets i wont to rm gnomeeting andt istla older one?
[10:27] <pibarnas> Hey people, my Ubuntu Hoary's supermount stops working suddenly... does somethng similar happened to anyone here?
[10:27] <budluva> someluser, tried reinstalling java?
[10:28] <someluser> yes
[10:28] <budluva> and azureus?
[10:28] <someluser> yes
[10:28] <someluser> azureus only has a bzip file
[10:28] <someluser> no .deb
[10:28] <KING^^^> hello ...
[10:28] <KING^^^> i have problems starting my ssh
[10:29] <budluva> someluser, check the starter guide, shows you how to install azureus via apt
[10:29] <pibarnas> I've done a /etc/init.d/dbus-1 but nothings happens...
[10:29] <someluser> where is it?
[10:29] <KING^^^> can anyone help me ?
[10:29] <budluva> someluser, check your azureus logs aswell /home/USER/.azureus/logs
[10:29] <kwilcox-afk> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:29] <pibarnas> I have to access cdrom and cdrw "by hand".
[10:29] <KING^^^> /etc/init.d/ssh start
[10:29] <KING^^^> Lying  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...
[10:29] <KING^^^> Lying Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
[10:29] <KING^^^> Lying Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
[10:29] <KING^^^> Lying Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key
[10:29] <KING^^^> Lying  *hd: no hostkeys available -- exiting.
[10:30] <KING^^^> what should i have to do /
[10:30] <imagino> hi there! Here's Michele...a new Ubuntu user. Just wanted to sit here and watch your conversation...maybe I can catch some of your secrets! :D
[10:30] <timtux> im gonna try an own connecion
[10:31] <timtux> another connection*
[10:31] <unome> imagino: hi, sit next to me if you got some diet pepsi
[10:31] <kwilcox> King: I can successully SSH into your IP
[10:31] <pestilence> does anyone here use mplayerplug-in to watch clips on comedycentral.com?  it used to work for me, but now all i get is audio (no video).  i've tried 2.8, 2.85 and cvs, they all don't work.  any ideas?
[10:31] <justin> KING^^^: purge and reinstall the openssh-server package
[10:32] <someluser> budluva; the guide says to apt-get install azureus, but it does not show
[10:32] <justin> KING^^^: then, do nothing, as it already will start automatically
[10:32] <budluva> someluser, sudo apt-get install azureus
[10:32] <budluva> someluser, run that command in your terminal
[10:32] <someluser> it can't find it
[10:32] <budluva> ???
[10:32] <budluva> did you read the guide?
[10:32] <someluser> apt says no
[10:32] <budluva> shows you how to add repositories
[10:32] <pestilence> for example
[10:32] <pestilence> http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=15849&poppedFrom=_shows_the_daily_show_videos_headlines_index.jhtml&
[10:32] <someluser> and yed i read it
[10:32] <budluva> well you didnt read then did you?
[10:33] <budluva> obviously not
[10:33] <someluser> my name is someluser
[10:33] <imagino> unome: I've got a Coca Cola...or a fresh beer...can I sit then? :D
[10:33] <unome> beer = good
[10:33] <imagino> then I'll sit!
[10:33] <imagino> ahahah
[10:33] <pibarnas> Hey, can someone help me with ubuntu's supermout?
[10:34] <pestilence> could somebody who has the mozilla-mplayer package installed verify for me that the above link does not work for them?
[10:34] <unome> pestilence: works here
[10:35] <unome> and yes the guy is funny.
[10:35] <pestilence> unome, arrrgh.  i guess it's just me.
[10:35] <pestilence> unome, i prefer rolling my own mplayer-mozilla, since the packaged version doesn't seem to have the same control capabilities (namely fullscreen)
[10:36] <pestilence> but i guess i will have to use the package :-(
[10:36] <unome> better have soemthing than nothing
[10:36] <pestilence> yea.  i don't understand why it stopped working for me.
[10:38] <timtux> omg, they shut down my warm water at 23.00, have to take a shower now. Cya
[10:38] <timtux> brb
[10:38] <pestilence> hrmm...you have video too, unome?
[10:38] <pestilence> it still doesn't work with the packaged version.
[10:38] <xryy> I have nForce2 chipset and ATi Radeon 9600XT, do i need any drivers? because, ex: the screensaver have really bad fps, so there must be something with no installed driver
[10:38] <pestilence> all i get is audio
[10:39] <unome> pestilence: you have mplayer installed?
[10:39] <pestilence> unome, yes, and most other embedded videos work
[10:39] <SliderMan> someone knows about kazaa to linux?
[10:39] <unome> pestilence:  about:plugings in firefox shows mplayer, correct?
[10:39] <unome> about:plugins*
[10:39] <pestilence> unome, it seems that comedycentral's embedded videos are the only ones i have found that don't. the ones in the mplayerplug-in testing grounds all work
[10:40] <pibarnas> did someone here have the ubuntu supermount crashing?
[10:40] <pestilence> unome, yes, i'm sure it does.  the plugin launches.  it just doesn't show video.  it plays the audio, however
[10:40] <unome> pestilence: weird
[10:40] <pestilence> unome, maybe i need to remove the configuration files...
[10:41] <unome> yeah give it a shot
[10:42] <i3dmaster> does not work, after reboot, the screen went back to 640x480 and even using vesa as the driver, it is still the same.
[10:43] <someluser> budluva; i read the guide more throughly and found a repo I didn't have.
[10:43] <jo> were to finf urbuntu dutch
[10:43] <someluser> it's taking a LONG time, but it's downloading
[10:44] <budluva> someluser, but its working?
[10:44] <someluser> so far....
[10:44] <budluva> good
[10:44] <pestilence> bizarre.  nothing seems to fix it.  i moved .mplayer and .mozilla, and still have the same problem
[10:44] <someluser> dang
[10:45] <someluser> budluva; it crapped out on me again
[10:45] <budluva> what did?
[10:45] <someluser> azureus
[10:45] <budluva> when loading? or while installing?
[10:45] <d4rksh4de> What is the default place where programs are being installed?
[10:46] <jo> apt-file list gnomemeeting
[10:46] <jo> ?
[10:46] <someluser> when loading
[10:46] <someluser> billions of "unknown source" errors from java
[10:46] <jo> how to see witch version there are
[10:46] <Reyn> fdisk -l tells me I have a hd on hdd1, but there isnt a /dev/hdd1 ... what gives ?
[10:46] <unome> pestilence: from the forums http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44560&highlight=mplayer
[10:46] <budluva> someluser, sudo apt-get remove azureus && apt-get remove sun-j2re1.5
[10:46] <someluser> ok
[10:46] <budluva> someluser, then sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 && apt-get install azureus
[10:47] <SpecialBuddy> does anyone know how to install wine
[10:47] <SpecialBuddy> I'm having the hardest time doing it
[10:47] <budluva> SpecialBuddy, sudo apt-get install wine
[10:47] <budluva> ???
[10:47] <SpecialBuddy> yeah
[10:47] <someluser> that's strange...
[10:47] <tiredbones> Does ubuntu have a new web site? Is www.ubuntu.org correct?
[10:47] <pestilence> unome, apart from possibly the mplayerplug-in.conf file, i have done all that.  i'll try the conf changes too.
[10:48] <SpecialBuddy> I did that but I try doing the wineinstall thing and it doesn't work
[10:48] <_simple> you'll want to apt-get install winesetuptk to configure wine
[10:48] <Alek> Hello?
[10:48] <budluva> SpecialBuddy, sorry cant help you there, i've never touched wine :P
[10:48] <someluser> budluva; i'm getting a wierd cannot open lock from dpkg
[10:48] <jo> its ther dutch help chanel
[10:48] <budluva> someluser, did you sudo?
[10:48] <SpecialBuddy> I get that and it uninstalls wine
[10:48] <someluser> yes
[10:49] <cavediver> Hi guys. How do I get mplayer or totem to play wmv version 9 files. It doesnt work
[10:49] <budluva> someluser, try them all separatley then, sudo apt-get remove azureus and then sudo apt-get remove sun-j2re1.5
[10:49] <cavediver> Using Breezy btw. But it doesn't work in hoary either
[10:49] <someluser> ok
[10:49] <budluva> CavalierBob, install w32codecs
[10:49] <budluva> CavalierBob, i think there is a wma codec around somewhere too
[10:49] <cavediver> budluva: that's installed...
[10:49] <cavediver> I'm pretty sure w32codecs is installed. Must doublecheck
[10:50] <geargolem> Hi
[10:50] <budluva> xmms-wma - xmms input plugin; wma format support
[10:50] <pestilence> unome, yea, that didn't do anything either.  this is bizarre.
[10:50] <socomm> cavediver: `apt-get install totem-xine'
[10:50] <sly> Hmm when i used kubuntu xvid/divx worked out of the box
[10:50] <unome> pestilence: I wish I could figure it out
[10:50] <someluser> budluva; it's working now, you missed a sudo after the &&
[10:50] <socomm> w32codecs should take care of the rest.
[10:50] <cavediver> socomm: socomm It's installed. It sais it has no codec for that file
[10:50] <sly> now im on ubuntu cos i wanted gnome but no divx/xvid codex * scratchs Head*
[10:50] <pibarnas> Hey folks...
[10:50] <pibarnas> help me!
[10:50] <Seveas> sly: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[10:51] <sly> =)
[10:51] <someluser> man, that backports mirror is slow
[10:51] <budluva> someluser, im used to being su -'d sorry
[10:51] <cavediver> Seems lite I don't have w32codecs. It's not installable. I run AMD64 version of Ubuntu
[10:51] <someluser> it's ok
[10:51] <unome> pestilence: ask Seveas while he's a round ;-)
[10:51] <Alek> Any one hwo know how i can see the last peolpes i chatted with????
[10:51] <Seveas> cavediver, w32codecs is only installable from backports and mplayerhq.hu iirc
[10:51] <cavediver> Hmm..
[10:52] <Seveas> Alek, in your logs perhaps?
[10:52] <cavediver> can you point me to the apt-source ?
[10:52] <uniq> cavediver: you need a 32bit chroot to use w32codecs on amd64.
[10:52] <cavediver> uniq: damn :/
[10:52] <SpecialBuddy> everytime I install wine then winesetuptk is uninstalled and vice versa
[10:52] <cavediver> I don't have that
[10:52] <Seveas> Alek, ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs
[10:52] <pestilence> unome, ok, i'll give him a shout :)
[10:52] <geargolem> is there a command to find where my java path is?
[10:52] <Fazer> Hello, does anyone know how to fix the MBR? I don't see Grub anymore.  it goes straight to my XP installation =(
[10:52] <sly> Seveas . site down or just me ?
[10:52] <Seveas> SpecialBuddy, winesetuptk is obsolete
[10:53] <xryy> can i play WMV on ubuntu?
[10:53] <Striss> Is there any way to change the desktop background in gnome via the command line?
[10:53] <cavediver> Fazer: boot a live-cd, mount your root partition and run grub-install /dev/hda
[10:53] <Seveas> SpecialBuddy, you need to install wine-utils (or was it wine-tools??) and run winecfg
[10:53] <uniq> xryy: yes, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:53] <unome> wt2
[10:53] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[10:53] <pestilence> Seveas, any idea why i get audio but no video with 4 versions of mplayerplug-in (packaged, 2.80, 2.85, and cvs?) for videos on comedycentral.com and nowhere else?
[10:53] <SpecialBuddy> so I shouldn't download winesetuptk
[10:53] <Fazer> cavediver: and that's it?
[10:54] <Seveas> pestilence, I guess they use a format that mplayer does not support...
[10:54] <cavediver> Fazer: Yes.
[10:54] <Seveas> SpecialBuddy, indeed
[10:54] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[10:54] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[10:54] <Fazer> cavediver: Wow...didn't know it would be that easy.
[10:54] <pestilence> but it works for unome...
[10:54] <cavediver> :)
[10:54] <Seveas> pestilence, that's odd...
[10:54] <pestilence> yes.
[10:54] <unome> told him
[10:54] <Fazer> pestilence: how are ya man?
[10:54] <uniq> pestilence: and you have the newest w32codecs package from backports?
[10:54] <jblack_> Hypothetical question. if a boot sector is destroyed, is there a tool to locate filesystems on the device?
[10:54] <pestilence> hey fazer
[10:54] <pestilence> uniq, no i haven't.
[10:55] <Seveas> pestilence, try it :)
[10:55] <pestilence> ok, i'll give it a go
[10:55] <jblack_> perhaps a filesystem signature?
[10:55] <geargolem> how do i locate my java path?
[10:55] <Fazer> cavediver: Will that restore grub to its original setting so I can still dualboot and what not?
[10:55] <Seveas> geargolem, what do you mean..?
[10:55] <someluser> budluva; azureus is still crapping out
[10:55] <cavediver> Fazer: It will then use your old menu.lst file, so i guess the answer is yes.
[10:55] <geargolem> Seveas, i just installed java on Hoary but need to put the path to it in mozilla
[10:56] <Seveas> geargolem, I sincerely hope that you did not install java by simply running the .bin file...
[10:56] <Fazer> cavediver: Sweetness, thanks.  I shall give that a try now.
[10:56] <budluva> geargolem, should be in /usr/lib
[10:56] <geargolem> Seveas, I did it the right way
[10:56] <budluva> someluser, check your logs
[10:56] <Seveas> geargolem, using make-jpkg?
[10:56] <socomm> geargolem: You need to link the plugin to your firefoxes plugin direcotry.
[10:56] <someluser> ok
[10:56] <SliderMan> someone knows some free antivirus?
[10:57] <cavediver> Fazer: do so... after you mount, do a chroot /. I forgot to say that
[10:57] <socomm> clam a/v
[10:57] <SpecialBuddy> I'm about to say forget wine
[10:57] <cavediver> SliderMan: I use clamav
[10:57] <Seveas> SliderMan, clamav (available from the Ubuntu repos)
[10:57] <Alek> seveas, where....?
[10:57] <Fazer> cavediver: one more question, how woud I mount my linux partition? sudo mount /dev/hda2 (since I installed Linux after I installed Windows)
[10:57] <Seveas> Alek, ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs
[10:57] <Reyn> I have a disk that I'm transfering from another linux system, fdisk sees the partition as a SFS(42) disk ... could it be that the file system the partion is set to is not installed on my ubuntu system ? raiserfs etc.?
[10:57] <pestilence> aha!!!
[10:57] <pestilence> thanks :)
[10:58] <someluser> budluva; all the logs just have the java "unknown source" errors
[10:58] <cavediver> Fazer: yes. If hda2 is your Ubuntu root partition... sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/whatever
[10:58] <pestilence> the newest codec package from backports fixed it
[10:58] <SpecialBuddy> can you get msn messenger for linux
[10:58] <Alek> Seveas, how..?
[10:58] <Alek> seveas, sudo gedit ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs ?
[10:58] <Seveas> Alek, using a text editor, like gedit...
[10:58] <timtux> hm, something is wrong. ive tried to install ubuntu on to diffrent internet connections. And still same problem. "Configuring apt" "25%" "Setting upp primary installation repostitory"
[10:58] <Seveas> Alek, no
[10:58] <pestilence> thanks unome, Seveas , uniq
[10:58] <Seveas> nautilus ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs
[10:58] <budluva> someluser, how did you install java apt-get sun-j2re1.5?
[10:58] <geargolem> socomm, yes, I know.
[10:58] <cavediver> Fazer: Then a cd /mnt/whatever and a chroot /, followed by a grub-install /dev/hda
[10:58] <unome> most welcome
[10:58] <someluser> budluva; yes, that's how i did it
[10:58] <Fazer> cavediver: Sweet.  Thanks.  Rebooting now.
[10:58] <Seveas> geargolem, try slocate libjavaplugin
[10:59] <Fazer> Hopefully this goes well.
[10:59] <cavediver> np.
[10:59] <Alek> seveas, where is the ~/.xchat2/ dir located?
[10:59] <SpecialBuddy> is cedega free
[10:59] <socomm> ...
[10:59] <Seveas> Alek, ~ is short for fout home directory
[10:59] <Seveas> SpecialBuddy, no
[10:59] <budluva> someluser, what does java -version say?
[10:59] <SpecialBuddy> oh
[10:59] <Alek> seveasit is noe a folder named ~/.xchat2/ there!
[11:00] <Alek> alekstest
[11:00] <someluser> budluva; gjc-4.0
[11:00] <budluva> Alek, its in your home dir, /home/Alek/.xchat2
[11:00] <Seveas> Alek, no, there will be a .xchat2 folder there...
[11:00] <Alek> seveas no
[11:00] <Seveas> Alek, yes
[11:00] <SpecialBuddy> has anyone here been able to get wine to work
[11:00] <Seveas> but in nautilus you will not see it by default...
[11:00] <budluva> someluser, java version "1.5.0_02" is what mine is saying, somethings wrong with your java install
[11:01] <someluser> i'd imagine so
[11:01] <Alek> Seveas, no it is not there!
[11:01] <someluser> budluva; how do I kill it?
[11:01] <budluva> someluser, how did you install java in the beginning?
[11:01] <someluser> synaptic
[11:01] <socomm> !restricted
[11:01] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:01] <Seveas> Alek, in a terminal you type: ls -al ~ | grep xchat
[11:01] <socomm> budluva: Follow that link.
[11:01] <budluva> someluser, you updated lately? try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:02] <someluser> do it every other hour
[11:02] <someluser> nothing
[11:02] <budluva> someluser, no errors when you removed it or azureus?
[11:02] <someluser> nope
[11:02] <budluva> socomm, ???
[11:03] <someluser> budluva; wait
[11:03] <budluva> socomm budluva: Follow that link.
[11:03] <Alek> seveas, and now?
[11:03] <Seveas> Alek, what did that say..?
[11:03] <socomm> budluva: Forget it, I misread your comment.
[11:03] <Alek> 2sec
[11:03] <someluser> budluva; I hadn't updated since I added the backbort mirror
[11:04] <someluser> it has a huge list of stuff now
[11:04] <budluva> someluser, ahh :P
[11:04] <Alek> seveas, is it any way to copy from terminal?
[11:05] <Seveas> Alek, select it with the mouse and hit <ctrl><shift><c>
[11:05] <on> hi
[11:05] <Alek> ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs
[11:05] <Alek> no
[11:05] <socomm> Alek: Higlight the text, than paste the text by clicking the center button.
[11:06] <Alek> seveas, it will not be copied with that...
[11:06] <on> how to add sources to apt? i would like to install enlightenment, but it's not included on ubuntu cd
[11:06] <Alek> seveas, it just come a  new line..
[11:07] <concept10> is there such a file as /etc/sudoers?
[11:07] <cavediver> on: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:07] <cavediver> concept10: yes.
[11:07] <jblack_> please oh please work parted rescue. :)
[11:07] <on> thx
[11:08] <concept10> cavediver, is this file empty by default?
[11:08] <cavediver> concept10: Mine is 374 bytes
[11:08] <concept10> cavediver, nevermind I had to run sudo the view it. thanks
[11:09] <cavediver> ok
[11:09] <cavediver> I hate sudo. First thing I did was to create a regular pw for root.
[11:10] <CarlFK> what is a "multiseat system"?
[11:10] <tiredbones> :q
[11:10] <CarlFK> and why can't the hoary installer configue mine?
[11:10] <sarah> what is the meaning of "end from FAM server connection"
[11:11] <dougsk> CarlFK, generally it's a term used for proprietary software, allowing you to install it multiple times to the extent of the license
[11:12] <dougsk> CarlFK, I'm not aware of anything in the hoary installer that give that kind of response.  Anyone else?
[11:12] <Alek> seveas, pm...
[11:12] <on> well, i think ubuntu is not easier to use than debian :) excuse me but it's my opinion
[11:12] <Alek> Any one here who can help me to set windows to boot first?
[11:12] <cavediver> on: I think it's basically the same :=)
[11:12] <pinko> just depends on what apps you're dealing with.
[11:13] <on> and depends on your knowledge
[11:13] <CarlFK> Alek - how about booting the last OS used?  (it is easier)
[11:13] <CarlFK> dougsk - "configure a multiseat system" is one of the steps - guessing I got dropped into expert mode
[11:13] <Alek> CarlFK tou mean?
[11:13] <Alek> you*
[11:14] <CarlFK> dougsk -I am also guessing it has to do witht he2nd nic it ofund
[11:14] <dougsk> CarlFK, maybe that has to do with the uh kickstart support?  I've not used it tbh
[11:14] <CarlFK> Alek - my box is set so that if I re-boot, I go back to the OS I was in when I rebooted
[11:14] <Alek> box?
[11:14] <CarlFK> Alek - grub can remember your last pick and default to that
[11:14] <Alek> ok
[11:14] <CarlFK> box = laptop
[11:15] <tiredbones> Apache2 is looking for libphp4.so in /etc/apache2/modules/, but synaptic put it in "usr/lib/apache2/modules/". Would there be any problem in moving all the modules to  "/etc/apache2/modules/"/
[11:15] <Alek> but how to get it boot from xp first....?
[11:15] <SliderMan> how to run sh files?
[11:15] <cavediver> SliderMan: sh file
[11:16] <Alek> CarlFK, ?
[11:16] <CarlFK> Alek - edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, find the line that says "default 0" and change it to "default X" where X is the # of your XP optioin
[11:16] <dougsk> Alek, look at /boot/grub/menu.1st file it's commented nm CarlFK got it
[11:17] <Alek> shall i change 0 with X ?
[11:17] <CarlFK> Alek - or change it to "default saved" and it will do what it says on the line above it.
[11:17] <CarlFK> Alek - yes, where X is the # of your XP optioin
[11:17] <Alek> # =
[11:17] <Alek> ?
[11:17] <korCZiz> in which dir should i use mkcramfs to create initrd file?
[11:18] <cavediver> X is the number of your XP entry in menu.lst
[11:18] <CarlFK> if you don't get that, just do "defalult saved" ;)
[11:18] <cavediver> Like 1,2 or even 3 :)
[11:18] <cavediver> You have to look.
[11:18] <korCZiz> when i used mkinitrd than he dont produced any initrd.img file
[11:18] <Alek> carlfk, will it auto starts form xp when i booting my pc??
[11:19] <CarlFK> sometimes ;)
[11:19] <Alek> carlfk, sometimes?
[11:19] <CarlFK> Alek - edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, find the line that says "default 0" and read the 2 lines above it
[11:19] <Alek> ok
[11:20] <korCZiz> has somebody tried compiling kernel 2.6.10 or 2.6.12-1 on ubuntu?
[11:20] <Alek> i'll be back
[11:20] <Alek> rebooting
[11:20] <cavediver> korCZiz: I use 2.6.12, but I'm on Breezy so it's packaged..
[11:20] <cavediver> :)
[11:20] <korCZiz> cavediver: i have problems with creating initrd.img file
[11:20] <Dj_AlTeK> hey ne1 know how to get .mp3
[11:21] <Dj_AlTeK> hey ne1 know how to get .mp3's playing ??
[11:21] <cavediver> huh?
[11:21] <jbroome> apt-get install xmms
[11:21] <cavediver> apt-get install xmms
[11:21] <jbroome> he
[11:21] <jbroome> h
[11:21] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx
[11:21] <korCZiz> cavediver: when i typed and run mkinitrd than he didnt created initrd.img
[11:21] <cavediver> Ok. Dunnu, was a long time since I compiled my own kernels..
[11:21] <douglas> is there a manual way to change res in xorg using a terminal?
[11:21] <korCZiz> cavediver: how can i create initrd.img by using mkcramfs ?
[11:21] <jbroome> there's probably a dictionary application that has 'anyone' in it too
[11:22] <cavediver> Can't help you there..
[11:22] <jo> how to instal apt-get install limewire
[11:22] <jo>  wont work?
[11:22] <cavediver> Meybe it's not there.
[11:22] <cavediver> apt-cache search limewire sais what ?
[11:22] <zyth> jo, download the RPM from Limewire.com, use alien to make it a deb, dpkg -i limewire.deb
[11:23] <someluser> budluva; azureus, in spite of all we did, crapped out again
[11:23] <sarah> what is the meaning of "end from FAM server connection"
[11:23] <Dj_AlTeK> ok i got xmms, now that i click on my mp3
[11:23] <Dj_AlTeK> freakin a!
[11:23] <delire> someluser: it's very buggy these days..
[11:23] <cavediver> Dj_AlTeK: huh ?
[11:23] <jo> wel a have olmost all runin gnomeeting not its u bug i think its all over the net andt xaxwt wont scan so must bij v4l1 thing what brok in urbuntu
[11:23] <Fazer> cavediver: Hmm, I am having trouble mounting my linux partition.  It says ext2 isn't a valid fs type.
[11:23] <korCZiz> i  cannot use new compiled kernel because i am not able create appropiate initrd.img file. is here somebody who was the same problems with compiling and using new kernel?
[11:23] <cavediver> Fazer: hmmm... reallt..
[11:23] <lsuactiafner> Dj_AlTeK : run xmms and use xmms like you would winamp
[11:23] <Fazer> cavediver: Also, it says grub-install isn't a valid command.  Do I have to apt-get it?
[11:24] <Fazer> cavediver: Yeah, I am rebooting again with my network card in.
[11:24] <Fazer> (rebooting in livecd)
[11:24] <cavediver> Fazer: no it should be there but you can't run it unless mounted and chrooted
[11:24] <caonex> Seveas, are you there?
[11:24] <imaek> How can I get gFTP to support SFTP?
[11:24] <Seveas> caonex, what a timing
[11:24] <Seveas> i just returned :)
[11:24] <jo> stil find gentoo smooter but its oke beter than suse en fedora
[11:24] <Alek> carlfk?
[11:24] <Fazer> cavediver: Can't I use the install cd to do a recovery or something?
[11:25] <Alek> carlfk, its still booting from ubuntu
[11:25] <cavediver> Fazer: don't think so...
[11:25] <caonex> Seveas, hehe, i see that, i just want to ask you something real quick, remember me from yesterday?
[11:25] <Seveas> Fazer, yes
[11:25] <Seveas> Fazer, boot with the 'rescue' boot parameter
[11:25] <Dj_AlTeK> well i apt-get install xmms, but i cant find the folder or file
[11:25] <CarlFK> Alek - did you pick XP, or just let it boot?
[11:25] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, /usr/bin/xmms :)
[11:25] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx seveas
[11:25] <delire> Dj_AlTeK: type xmms on the command line
[11:25] <Seveas> caonex, ask away :)
[11:25] <Fazer> Seveas: Oh? Will it fix up my GRUB thign that the XP installer fscked up?
[11:25] <Alek> carlfk, first boot xp, then let it boot
[11:25] <cavediver> Dj_AlTeK: It should be in the menu. If not, try killall gnome-panel and check in the menu again :)
[11:25] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, applications -> sound & video -> xmms
[11:25] <Seveas> (in gnome)
[11:26] <Seveas> Fazer, you will have to do that manually iirc
[11:26] <Dj_AlTeK> ah i see it now thanx seveas
[11:26] <Fazer> Seveas: Will the rescue allow me to mount my hard drive and run the commands that cavediver told me to run?
[11:26] <CarlFK> Alek - /boot/grub/menu.lst, does it say "savedefault
[11:26] <CarlFK> er
[11:26] <Seveas> Fazer, yes
[11:26] <BoD_SWAT> imaek, do you mean SFTP or SSL ? (sftp should be supported, standard)
[11:26] <CarlFK> Alek - /boot/grub/menu.lst, does it say "savedefault" as part of the XP section?
[11:26] <Fazer> Seveas: Ah, I see.
[11:27] <BoD_SWAT> Alek, does Grub work now?
[11:27] <Alek> CarlFK, # You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry
[11:27] <Alek> # is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'.
[11:27] <Alek> default		X
[11:27] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, if you don't get any sound from xmms, try this:
[11:28] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[11:28] <Alek> bod_swat, yes..., but i cant get it boot xp first...
[11:28] <Dj_AlTeK> i tried to get it to play and it just froze
[11:28] <concept10> On a new install of Ubuntu, the resolution is always set TOO high, and it causes alot of vertical lines how do I make it default 1024x768?
[11:28] <BoD_SWAT> Alek, but if it is 2nd or 3rd it works?
[11:28] <CarlFK> Alek - /boot/grub/menu.lst, does it say "savedefault" as part of the XP section?
[11:28] <caonex> Seveas, well my gdm was crashing and my computer freezing. You told me that this usually happens with bad memory and commanded me to run memtest, and cut it after an hour. I did that and turns out memory is fine. Also, I told you about a little warning voltage report regarding the +5.0 that was turning out to be around 4.5.  Well, right now i am logged in in another acc
[11:28] <caonex> ount and gdm has not crashed. So i am thinking some of my configuration files are broken, whre can i see which ones to delete them?
[11:29] <cmatheson> concept10, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and remove the resolutions you don't like from the "Screen" section
[11:29] <imaek> BoD_SWAT: I was confused.  I wanted SFTP (like, as in the sftp command), but in gFTP, it's called SSH.  I typed in the wrong IP, and so I thought that wasn't it, so I started researching.  It's working now.
[11:29] <concept10> cmatheson, thanks
[11:29] <Alek> carlfk, no
[11:29] <Dj_AlTeK> got it workin thanx seveas
[11:29] <BoD_SWAT> imaek, okay N-joy :D
[11:29] <Alek> carlfk, shall i remove it from ubuntu, and set it on xp?
[11:29] <jo> http://onedegree-128.mysticradio.com/listen.pls
[11:29] <cavediver> I want to have ssl support in gftp.. :/
[11:29] <cavediver> Anyone have a better ftp client perhaps ?
[11:30] <Alek> smartftp
[11:30] <imaek> BoD_SWAT: it certainly makes transferring files accross a network easier. :D
[11:30] <cavediver> A gui one please
[11:30] <BoD_SWAT> cavediver, you're out of luck
[11:30] <cavediver> :)
[11:30] <Corical> hmm
[11:30] <BoD_SWAT> cavediver, you'll need "ftp-ssl"
[11:30] <BoD_SWAT> it's TUI only
[11:30] <CarlFK> Alek - add savedefault to the XP section (near the bottem of the file)
[11:30] <cavediver> gftp is fine, however it doen't handle download and browsing at the same time :)
[11:30] <Seveas> caonex, it would be very weird for personal settings to crash GDM...
[11:30] <Alek> tok
[11:31] <Alek> ok
[11:31] <Corical> jonas !
[11:31] <jo> how to switch to testing
[11:31] <Fazer> cavediver: okay, i am on the live cd now.
[11:31] <Alek> carlfk, will it boot from xp then?
[11:31] <BoD_SWAT> cavediver, gftp doens't support SSL (only SSH)
[11:31] <Fazer> cavediver: i looked at the dmesg and this is what I get when I try to mount my linux partition
[11:31] <Fazer> EXT2-fs: hda2: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (4).
[11:31] <concept10> cmatheson, are you pretty familar with that .conf?
[11:31] <cavediver> Fazer: ok. It was a while since I did this so have patiance :)
[11:31] <caonex> Seveas, well i do not see any toher explanation for this user to be fine and mine, to crash.
[11:31] <Fazer> cavediver: sure thing.
[11:32] <Seveas> caonex, indeed, very odd... I suspect it's somewhere in .gnome / .gconf
[11:32] <cmatheson> concept10, yeah
[11:32] <cavediver> Fazer: That seems odd, are you sure you have your linux on /dev/hda2 ?
[11:32] <Fazer> cavediver: yes, even fdisk shows it to be so.
[11:32] <cavediver> Fazer: start the partitioner and check.
[11:32] <cavediver> ahh ok
[11:32] <cavediver> :)
[11:32] <cmatheson> concept10, just skip down to the part that says 'Section "Screen"'
[11:32] <cavediver> and a mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/X gives ?
[11:33] <concept10> cmatheson, I configured this system with my monitor - it is going to be used with another monitor, can I delete the monitor info safely?
[11:33] <Fazer> cavediver:
[11:33] <Fazer> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/
[11:33] <BoD_SWAT> cavediver, Tip1: use "ftp-ssl". Tip2: If you want a GUI, try to get a SFTP account, because that works with GFTP
[11:33] <Fazer> missing codepage or other error
[11:33] <Alek> BOD_SWAT, what did you say for a hour ago??
[11:33] <Alek> bod_swat, to get xp first
[11:33] <cmatheson> concept10, you have to have at least one Monitor section in there.  If you want to delete the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines it shouldn't be aproblem though
[11:33] <cavediver> Fazer: I can't remember having problems with that part...hmmm
[11:33] <yuacht> i'm using 32bit ubuntu but i'm on a 64-bit processor and i'm gonna compile an own kernel.. can i compile it as x86_64?
[11:34] <Alek> carlfk?
[11:34] <BoD_SWAT> Alek, my part of my Grub boot file (Windows is at 2nd spot)      http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/265
[11:34] <delire> cavediver: sounds like windows has hosed his inode table/ block counts or similar.
[11:34] <Fazer> cavediver: yeah, i wasnt expecting any.
[11:34] <xryy> if i try to install apt package
[11:34] <concept10> cmatheson, how do I configure for new monitor once I hook it up? is there something that could recognize the other monitor
[11:34] <xryy> i get a errorline like this
[11:34] <caonex> Seveas, should i delete .gnome dir and let settings to create themselves again?
[11:34] <xryy> dpkg: tolkingsfeil, i fila /var/lib/dpkg/available nr linje 1760 pakken gconf-editor:
[11:34] <Fazer> Seveas: Maybe you can shed some light on the problem?
[11:35] <xryy>  Depends-felt, referanse til libesd-alsa0: versjon inneholder
[11:35] <n3x> Hey... is anyone using linux-image-2.6.11 ? I wanted to switch from 2.6.10-5 to it but after it boots and I log in my laptop freezes just before loading the gnome panel... is anyone familiar w/ this ?
[11:35] <Alek> bod_swat, ok
[11:35] <Alek> BYE
[11:35] <katzor> hi all, i try to create a deb package but it fails to sign it
[11:35] <cmatheson> concept10, X can usually just probe that kind of stuff on it's own (you don't necessarily need any info in there), but you could also look up the new monitors information on the web and stick it in there now
[11:35] <Seveas> caonex, you will loose a lot of settings if you do that...
[11:35] <virtuald> yuacht: it should work. always keep at least one old kernel, just in case.
[11:35] <Seveas> but it would be a good try
[11:35] <cavediver> Fazer: try mount -s
[11:35] <Fazer> cavediver: same error.
[11:35] <concept10> cmatheson, i read this in the file:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:35] <Fazer> cavediver: wrong fs type.
[11:36] <cavediver> and you have ext2, and not ext3 ?
[11:36] <Fazer> cavediver: yeah, I have ext2
[11:36] <Fazer> But fdisk shows /hda2 as Linux
[11:36] <xryy> can anyone help me?
[11:36] <Fazer> it doesn't show it as ext2 or anything like that.
[11:36] <xryy> please?
[11:36] <cavediver> Yes but that's ok
[11:36] <delire> xryy: i'd like to help but unfortunately i don't have character support for norweigen and so what you wrote is full of many strange characters! is there an ubuntu-no channel or similar?
[11:36] <cmatheson> concept10, yeah, if you don't want to edit the file by hand, you can run that command and it will step you through the process
[11:37] <boomer77> hi - could someone please help me - I just installed ubuntu and now I need to create some more partitions
[11:37] <CarlFK> boomer77 - why more?
[11:37] <korCZiz> anybody who now how to use mkcramfs to creating initr.img, pleeeeaaaaze?
[11:37] <xryy> hm
[11:37] <delire> Fazer: when did this happen?
[11:37] <concept10> cmatheson, thanks for the insight on that
[11:37] <cavediver> Fazer: -v for verbose. Maybe you get some more messages..
[11:37] <xryy> delire: i can try to translate
[11:37] <Fazer> delire: when did what?  I used XP Setup and then it messed up my MBR
[11:37] <boomer77> thanks calrfk - i am setting up a Samba server
[11:37] <Fazer> delire: and now I am using the live cd to repare it
[11:37] <n3x> so... is anyone using linux-image-2.6.11 ?
[11:38] <Seveas> korCZiz, you should not manually compile a kernel or make an initrd, use make-kpkg
[11:38] <boomer77> and i want to be able to assign windows drive letters to various partitions
[11:38] <Fazer> cavediver: wait, wtf.  I am sure it was ext 2 , but I used ext3 and it worked!
[11:38] <xryy> delire: everytime i try to install a package, i get a error like this
[11:38] <delire> Fazer: i believe it's hosed your block count and so while it might identify as ext2, it may not be useable as such.
[11:38] <Fazer> cavediver: okay, so now I am in /mnt/test/
[11:38] <caonex> Seveas, I know but I am willing to do that because i can get them again...
[11:38] <CarlFK> boomer77 - um... no you don't ;)
[11:38] <cavediver> Fazer: Do you see the root files and so on...
[11:38] <caonex> Seveas, and it crashes anyways
[11:38] <boomer77> why not ?
[11:38] <Fazer> delire: I speicifed ext3 as the type when mount and it works I think
[11:38] <Fazer> cavediver: yes
[11:38] <CarlFK> boomer77 - you assing drive letters to shares
[11:38] <Seveas> caonex, well, by all means, try it :)
[11:38] <xryy> dpkg have troubles understanding in file /var/lib/dpkg/avaible in line 1760 package gconf-editor:
[11:38] <delire> Fazer: ok, good luck with it all!
[11:38] <Fazer> cavediver: I can see my home dir and everything.
[11:38] <boomer77> o.k. - but the partitions will be set up as shared
[11:38] <Fazer> delire: thanks man
[11:39] <boomer77> o.k. - but the partitions will be set up as shares
[11:39] <CarlFK> boomer77 - a share "could" be a partition, but it could be any dir
[11:39] <cavediver> Fazer: ok. While standing in /mnt/test, write chroot /  (I think it was so anyway :=
[11:39] <nukleides> Hi, i got a 56k-USB-Modem it works well, but after every reboot it's powered os, and i have to plug out, plug in...
[11:39] <Fazer> cavediver: heh
[11:39] <xryy> Depends-field, reference to libesd-alsa0: version contains << >>
[11:39] <xryy> do you understand, delire ?
[11:39] <Fazer> cavediver: with sudo you mean?
[11:39] <Fazer> cavediver: I tried sudo chroot / and it seems to work.
[11:39] <CarlFK> boomer77 - actualy, you can't realy share "a partition" - you would have to mount the partition under a dir and share that.  so forget the partition idea and just share any ol' dir
[11:39] <cavediver> Yes. Try a cd /
[11:39] <boomer77> o.k. - i have 80 GB available and when i type in n and press enter to create a new partition the first cylinder is 4501
[11:40] <cavediver> Are you still in the root ?
[11:40] <Fazer> cavediver: i think I am in the root of the live cd stuff now
[11:40] <caonex> Seveas, ok
[11:40] <boomer77> and so I press enter to accpt this
[11:40] <cavediver> Fazer: Then it was wrong...
[11:40] <Fazer> cavediver: but my shell changed to a #
[11:40] <delire> xryy: ok, do this: 'apt-get update && apt-get install gconf-editor' and paste the output to a pastebin online for me.
[11:40] <Fazer> cavediver: when I type whoami it says root
[11:40] <cavediver> Fazer: Try a chroot /mnt/test /
[11:40] <Fazer> cavediver: oh ok
[11:41] <cavediver> I can't remember the exact syntax for chroot
[11:41] <nukleides> Hi, i got a 56k-USB-Modem it works well, but after every reboot it's powered off, and i have to plug out, plug in... any idea?
[11:41] <Fazer> cavediver: permission denied, even with sudo.
[11:41] <boomer77> for last cyl, the default value is 4502, which is just one cyl larger than the starting cyl
[11:41] <delire> xryy: use this one to paste the results: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[11:41] <Fazer> cavediver: why do I need chroot anyways?
[11:41] <boomer77> i want to specify something llike +2000M and it says the value is out of range
[11:41] <CarlFK> boomer77 - how many cyl's on the drive?
[11:41] <delire> xryy: what exactly are you trying to install by the way?
[11:42] <boomer77> thanks CarlFK - 14,946
[11:42] <cavediver> So your paths and such points to your linux install and not the live cd. Grub-install is on the live cd aswedd. However you want to run it from /dev/hda2
[11:42] <Fazer> cavediver: and the other problem is that grub-install isn't a valid command
[11:42] <boomer77> i have three primary partitions and an extended partition with 3 logical drives
[11:42] <boomer77> is there a maximum to the number of logical drives that I can create in an extended partition ?
[11:43] <Fazer> Does anyone else know how I can fix my MBR so its back to as it was before?
[11:43] <cavediver> Fazer: I think once you have a valid chrrot, the path to grub.install would be correct
[11:43] <CarlFK> boomer77 - yeah, 4 (i think)
[11:43] <Fazer> cavediver: okay, but when i type `grub-install`
[11:43] <boomer77> is that 4 for the max. of logical partitions ?
[11:43] <Fazer> it doesn't do anything.
[11:43] <CarlFK> boomer77 - but more than 3 for sure.
[11:43] <nalioth> boomer77: no limit (that i know of)
[11:43] <boomer77> in an extended partition ?
[11:43] <cavediver> Fazer: maybe you can try navigating to /mnt/test/sbin
[11:43] <delire> Fazer: try 'whereis grub-install'
[11:43] <CarlFK> nalioth - there is some limit.  it works out to 32 total
[11:43] <xryy> delire: it doesn't matter
[11:43] <cavediver> Fazer: And from there run grub-install /dev/hda
[11:44] <boomer77> thanks to both of you for your help so far
[11:44] <delire> xryy: did it work?
[11:44] <nalioth> boomer77: i have 13 partitions in my extended area
[11:44] <CarlFK> boomer77 - 4 "main" and i think 8 extend4ed
[11:44] <cyphase> hey everyone
[11:44] <xryy> i get that error message if i try to install anything
[11:44] <nalioth> CarlFK: idk, but more than i'll ever use
[11:44] <xryy> everytime i use apt-get
[11:44] <Fazer> cavediver: in sbin/ there is no grub-install
[11:44] <boomer77> o.k., so the number of logical drives in the extended probably isn't the problem
[11:44] <Seveas> cavediver, there is a little caveat there, you will have to mount -o bind /dev /mnt/chroot/dev
[11:44] <delire> xryy: paste the error to the URL i gave you above so i can read it all in a browser. i can probably help.
[11:44] <xryy> delire: do you need the apt-get update output also?
[11:44] <delire> xryy: no..
[11:44] <boomer77> in ubuntu - do i need to boot to rescue mode to run fdisk and create partitions ?
[11:45] <CarlFK> boomer77 - are you chatting from the same box?
[11:45] <boomer77> no a different box
[11:45] <delire> xryy: unless of course there's an error with the apt-get update also.
[11:45] <CarlFK> boomer77 - no.  sudo fdisk is fine
[11:45] <cavediver> Fazer: really ? If you have grub as your bootloader then grub.install should exixt...
[11:45] <delire> Fazer: 'whereis grub-install'
[11:45] <lynx> anyone knows how can i change my desktop icons size?
[11:45] <cavediver> or locate grub-install
[11:45] <CarlFK> boomer77 - rats.  I would like to see what fdisk -l /dev/hdX says
[11:45] <cavediver> Mine is in /sbin
[11:46] <boomer77> i am used to red hat (sorry if that bothers anyone), suse, fedora and mandrake
[11:46] <Fazer> root@ubuntu:/sbin# whereis grub-install
[11:46] <Fazer> grub-install:
[11:46] <lynx> anyone knows how can i change my desktop icons size?
[11:46] <boomer77> do I need to run:   sudo   in front of fdisk ?
[11:46] <xryy> delire: http://pastebin.com/304900
[11:46] <Fazer> cavediver: well, i am sure I use Grub since that is what I see when I load up.
[11:46] <delire> Fazer: locate grub-install (as cavediver wisely suggests)
[11:46] <CarlFK> boomer77 - yes.  but I don't think that is your current problem
[11:46] <Fazer> delire: locate doesn't work.
[11:46] <delire> xryy: ok thanks.
[11:47] <delire> Fazer: updatedb && locate grub-install
[11:47] <cavediver> Fazer: This is really strange.  Im sure the chroot is a must...
[11:49] <MyQe2> hello good ppl
[11:49] <IFRFLYR> AND I hear the nice "session start" music.
[11:49] <cavediver> I just have to figure this chroot out...
[11:50] <xryy> delire: still the error message
[11:50] <MyQe2> i m  in love in a woman !!! isn't grate!
[11:50] <cavediver> If I want /mnt/x as my / , what's the syntax of chroot ?
[11:50] <delire> xryy: 'apt-get -f install'
[11:50] <xryy> still error
[11:50] <IFRFLYR> Me too...Anyone?
[11:50] <lynx> hm, ty topyli
[11:51] <MyQe2> any way have installed windows xp and now i don't have grab on start up. does anyone know how i can fix that ?
[11:51] <Fazer> cavediver: i think i have to mount /proc
[11:51] <imaek> n
[11:51] <imaek> l
[11:51] <Seveas> cavediver, chroot /mnt/x
[11:51] <delire> xryy: i see you have a few packages not upgraded. why not 'apt-get upgrade' and see if the packages upgraded are among those holding others back?
[11:51] <cavediver> Seveas: ahh !
[11:52] <cavediver> Fazer: Try chroot /mnt/test
[11:52] <imaek> faster faster
[11:52] <xryy> it wont
[11:52] <xryy> i enter the command
[11:52] <Fazer> cavediver: waaay ahead of you.
[11:52] <xryy> and it ask me if i want to continue
[11:52] <cavediver> Fazer: ok :)
[11:52] <xryy> i press Y
[11:52] <delire> xryy: did you 'sudo apt-get upgrade'?
[11:52] <xryy> and the error get back again
[11:53] <xryy> im root
[11:53] <xryy> im in root terminal, i dont need sudo ;)
[11:54] <delire> xryy: how about 'apt-get install --reinstall libesd-alsa0' (i'm trying to read norwiegen here ;)
[11:54] <CarlFK> can I use \ to continue lines in fstab?
[11:54] <xryy> hehe ;)
[11:55] <IFRFLYR> Okay, I'll try again: live disk, centrino notebook HP DV4000, ubuntu boots but gnome gives a blank screen, nothing in dmesg
[11:55] <neighborlee> is there a fix yet for   X  crashing anyone ? ;-) ( checked forums and opinions vary as much as the symptons it seemes LOL)\
[11:55] <xryy> should i paste output?
[11:55] <delire> xryy: yep
[11:55] <dougsk> CarlFK, why not use nano -w /etc/fstab although that would be a handy python trick wouldn't it :)
[11:55] <delire> IFRFLYR: strange.. can you CTRL-ALT-F1?
[11:56] <IFRFLYR> Yes, and he terminal is up and running (that's how I checked dmesg)
[11:56] <IFRFLYR> Oh!
[11:56] <Seveas> neighborlee, 'X crashing' is not a realy good description....
[11:56] <IFRFLYR> One sec. I ALT+f1 to do that.
[11:56] <neighborlee> Seveas, well its so common I thought someone might know..okay I can fix that
[11:56] <xryy> delire: http://pastebin.com/304907
[11:56] <Seveas> IFRFLYR, check ps aux to see if gdm/Xorg are running...
[11:56] <imaek> How can I find out what my Internal IP address is?
[11:57] <Seveas> imaek, ifconfig
[11:57] <delire> xryy: ok checking it out now.
[11:57] <xryy> tell me if you need me to translate something
[11:57] <IFRFLYR> I just rebooted delire, - lemme check in a sec Seveas, thanks for answering
[11:57] <neighborlee> Seveas, running say evolution.it crashes  then gnome-panel fries and desktop along with it..mouse still works as does keyboard but I have no access to anything else other than hard shutdown
[11:57] <imaek> Thanks, Seveas.
[11:57] <Seveas> neighborlee, is this on hoary..?
[11:57] <djm62> does anybody know a guide for getting a generic usb-midi keyboard working on a modern linux distribution?
[11:57] <neighborlee> Seveas, sorry and yes it is
[11:57] <djm62> (my bro got one and I'm dead jealous)
[11:57] <lsuactiafner> whats that condition called when a person laughs @ the wrong times.. like in a scary movie i burst out laughin or when something goes horribly wrng i start smiling?
[11:57] <neighborlee> Seveas, intel, nvidia 3d and gnome
[11:58] <IFRFLYR> Tourettes syndrome Isuactiafner
[11:58] <IFRFLYR> :)
[11:58] <IFRFLYR> You PRICK!
[11:58] <Seveas> neighborlee, have you tried using a different account?, different DE, different drivers...?
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> no man
[11:58] <IFRFLYR> Sorry
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> becuase something bad just happened and i kept smilin and my flatmate got pissed
[11:58] <delire> xryy: can you translate this and the line afterwards for me? "dpkg: tolkingsfeil, i fila /var/lib/dpkg/available nr linje 1760 pakken gconf-editor:" line 1760 of the package gconf-editor.. ?? etc
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> heh
[11:58] <neighborlee> Seveas, yes I tried older 6629 and it still did it eventually..I have not tried anything but gnome...
[11:59] <cavediver> Anyone running Breezy and have a solution to the broken GDM
[11:59] <CarlFK> lsuactiafner - I call that being human ;)
[11:59] <delire> xryy: is it 'near line 1760 of hte package gconf-editor'?
[11:59] <Seveas> neighborlee, try XFCE, it's not such a pain to install (apt-get install xfce4) and try another account
[11:59] <lsuactiafner> heh well got me in shit for not being gloomy
[11:59] <xryy> delire: yes
[11:59] <Seveas> cavediver, yes, don't run breezy :)
[11:59] <lsuactiafner> -ao alsa:device=hw=1.0
[11:59] <neighborlee> Seveas, are there rumors about gnome being possible cause ?
[11:59] <xryy> your making progress in my language ;)
[11:59] <Seveas> neighborlee, not at all
[11:59] <korCZiz> Seveas: make-kpg also didnot produced /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10, i need to do it manualy by using mkcramfs, but i dont know which directory i must pass as one from arg for "mkcramfs" utility....
[12:00] <remyforbes777> whats wrong with breezy
[12:00] <Seveas> the first thing I suspect is the nvidia drivers...


[07:22] <d3> barryprice We've secured everything that was lacking before.
[07:22] <d3> Hopefully, the registration will go through.
[07:23] <d3> I'm mirroring the entire archive and it's working fine.
[07:27] <d3> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirror.elice.io-archive2
[07:32] <barryprice> d3: looks good, I've just approved it so the automated scripts will run some checks, the results will show up on that url


[09:39] <l3on> Hello!... do you know where can I find a list of applications which have this kind of patches:
[09:39] <l3on> if XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP == GNOME ; do this ; fi
[09:41] <MrChrisDruif> ^o-
[09:42] <l3on> they're wrong .. is there a gtk function to understand if the WM support the GTK_FRAME_EXTENTS
[09:43] <mgedmin> l3on, this is not for ubuntu, but http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP perhaps can be helpful?
[09:43] <l3on> no, patches are only in ubuntu AFAIK .. see apt-get source nautilus
[09:44] <l3on> and then grep XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP debian/patches/*
[09:46] <mgedmin> https://patches.ubuntu.com/ exists, but isn't searchable that easily :/
[09:50] <l3on> moreover .. according with GTK/News:
[09:50] <l3on> * Client-side decorations
[09:50] <l3on>  - The requirement for _GTK_FRAME_EXTENTS has been dropped
[09:50] <l3on>    to avoid 'double headers' with most window managers
[09:50] <l3on>  - Drawing of DND highlights around the entire window works
[09:51] <l3on> so, that kind of patches seems useless
[11:21] <darkxst> amjjawad, hey
[11:22] <amjjawad> darkxst, hi how are you?
[11:23] <darkxst> amjjawad, on a long train ride home ;)
[11:23] <amjjawad> Aha
[11:23] <amjjawad> where have you been?
[11:23] <darkxst> Down in Melbourne
[11:24] <amjjawad> I thought another city
[11:24] <amjjawad> it is cold here
[11:24] <amjjawad> and I feel sick :/
[11:24] <darkxst> amjjawad, my long == a bit over an hour
[11:24] <amjjawad> I see
[11:25] <amjjawad> good to know :P
[11:25] <darkxst> its probably cold for you in Melbourne as well, was about 20 today
[11:25] <amjjawad> it's been cloudy for 2 days now
[11:25] <amjjawad> this crazy weather will make me sick
[11:25] <amjjawad> few days ago, I had to use sunscreen
[11:25] <amjjawad> and ate ice-cream
[11:26] <amjjawad> now, I feel my throat is infected :/
[11:26] <darkxst> clouds don't make your throat infected ;)  maybe it was the ice-cream !
[11:26] <amjjawad> hahah
[11:27] <amjjawad> not the cloud, the cold wind
[11:27] <amjjawad> I have my powerful weapon for that: Manuka Honey + Black Seed
[11:27] <amjjawad> the most powerful cure for throat
[11:29] <darkxst> amjjawad, 20 is not cold, maybe you need more time to acclimatise
[11:29] <amjjawad> yes
[11:29] <amjjawad> I haven't been in such weather for very very long time
[11:30]  * MrChrisDruif waves at amjjawad before turning off his laptop
[11:30] <amjjawad> haha
[11:30] <amjjawad> hello MrChrisDruif :D
[11:30] <MrChrisDruif> Bye
[11:30] <amjjawad> that was fast
[11:30] <amjjawad> Cya
[11:31] <amjjawad> darkxst, where is your vote? :P
[11:31] <amjjawad> let me guess, you didn't get the email, right?
[11:31] <darkxst> amjjawad, what am I voting on now?
[11:31] <amjjawad> hahaha
[11:31] <amjjawad> I knew it
[11:32] <darkxst> amjjawad, I am subscribed to the list now
[11:32] <amjjawad> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome-leaders-board/msg00038.html
[11:34] <darkxst> amjjawad, +1, but we need to make sure any relevant translations go upstream (or is this just about website/release notes/wiki?)
[11:35] <amjjawad> darkxst, yes, it is about the written stuff: Wiki, Marketing, etc
[11:36] <amjjawad> someone mentioned that Ubiquity Translations is done by Ubuntu Team IIRC
[11:36] <darkxst> amjjawad, ubiquity translations are on launchpad, but I seriously doubt the Ubuntu team has translated our slides
[11:37] <darkxst> (not actually checked that though)
[11:37] <amjjawad> darkxst, same here, I always go for English
[11:37] <amjjawad> we can check about that later
[11:38] <amjjawad> I was thinking about the rolling release
[11:38] <amjjawad> why not have a 3rd image for that?
[11:38] <darkxst> amjjawad, because its rolling, that is the daily image!
[11:38] <eliasps> Hi everyone
[11:38] <amjjawad> darkxst, okay but on the list, it is not 'devl' thing
[11:39] <amjjawad> eliasps, hi there
[11:39] <darkxst> amjjawad, what do you mean?
[11:39] <amjjawad> darkxst, remember our chat about that?
[11:39] <amjjawad> that I need to replace the codename with devl on the source list?
[11:39] <amjjawad> so with each and every cycle, I don't need to do anything but update the system
[11:39] <darkxst> amjjawad, its devel
[11:40] <amjjawad> isn't it VV ?
[11:40] <darkxst> right now 'devel' points to vivid, next cycle it will redirect to WW
[11:41] <amjjawad> so, there is zero need to a 3rd ISO?
[11:41] <amjjawad> I was hoping to go for that for the sake of the latest GNOME, that is all
[11:41] <amjjawad> something to put the latest GNOME on
[11:42] <amjjawad> and because the official builds can't have the latest for now, we shall remain with complaints, and PPA
[11:43] <darkxst> amjjawad, we can't spin an iso with the PPA
[11:43] <amjjawad> darkxst, I am not suggesting that
[11:44] <amjjawad> I am suggesting to spin an ISO with the latest GNOME without PPA
[11:44] <amjjawad> and we call it rolling UG
[11:44] <darkxst> amjjawad, 3.14 is not far off, but there won't be any special ISO's made
[11:45] <darkxst> it will just be VV milestones and/or dialies
[11:46] <amjjawad> aren't GNOME people working on 3.15 at the moment?
[11:46] <darkxst> amjjawad, I told you before its just a marketing exercise really
[11:46] <darkxst> amjjawad, upstream are sure
[11:46] <darkxst> its very early though to start packaging it
[11:47] <amjjawad> hmm
[11:47] <amjjawad> so there is no way to give the users the joy of using the latest GNOME without the PPA
[11:48] <darkxst> amjjawad, if they use vivid release they can soon
[11:49] <amjjawad> I was really talking about GNOME+1
[11:49] <eliasps> It's better that way if you ask me. I imagine that due to the release cyrcles of Ubuntu and GNOME, the latest version of GNOME on Ubuntu wouldn't be considered stable, right? Having an ISO with that packaged may have issues.
[11:49] <amjjawad> the one month between the release of the new version of GNOME and the release of Ubuntu (and flavors) thing
[11:50] <amjjawad> eliasps, that is why, it is a rolling ISO
[11:50] <eliasps> And I'm saying that as a user who would love to have the bleegind edge version of GNOME on Ubuntu.
[11:50] <amjjawad> it is meant for fun no more
[11:50] <amjjawad> stable = stick to the stable releases of UG
[11:51] <darkxst> amjjawad, ISO's are built from the archive
[11:51] <amjjawad> latest = rolling (bugs)
[11:51] <mgedmin> the best part is where ubuntu's release cycle was specifically selected to lag gnome's by a month so each ubuntu version could ship the newest gnome, originally
[11:51] <darkxst> mgedmin, that was back in gnome2 days when nothing much disruptive changed each cycle (and ubuntu had a much smaller delta)
[11:52] <mgedmin> at least the delta is growing smaller again, right?  as unity is moving off to its own thing rather than patched gnome bits more and more
[11:53] <darkxst> amjjawad, we might not quite make it this cycle, but in the future we should be able have all of GNOME+1 in before alpha1 and that would like be more stable to say utopic + ppa
[11:54] <darkxst> mgedmin, well a few bits have been forked, but largely things on the Unity side are stagnant waiting for unity8 to progress
[11:54] <amjjawad> UG 15.04 will be 100% GNOME 3.14 ? darkxst
[11:54] <amjjawad> all the packages?
[11:55] <darkxst> amjjawad, yes that is the plan
[11:55] <darkxst> and once we are caught up, 15.10 could be 100% 3.16 by alpha1
[11:56] <amjjawad> but 15.10 Stable will not have 3.18?!
[11:56] <amjjawad> the issue of GNOME-1 will always remain?
[11:58] <darkxst> amjjawad, we need to wait for unity 8 first, right now, its alot of work patching apps so they still work on unity
[11:59] <amjjawad> hopefully one day, we will make it
[12:01] <amjjawad> any news for the software center?
[12:01] <darkxst> amjjawad, and gnome breaks alot, during devel
[12:01] <darkxst> amjjawad, I don't possibly think you could track 3.15 releases in a distro, you need to wait until 3.15.90 atleast
[12:01] <darkxst> amjjawad, I might loose internet sometime soon
[12:02] <amjjawad> darkxst, ok, no worries
[12:02] <darkxst> amjjawad, waiting on joern to look at my patch
[12:02] <darkxst> and also rename it
[12:02] <amjjawad> will give him a poke
[12:03] <darkxst> We can switch once those two things are completed
[12:04] <amjjawad> so, no more Ubuntu Software Center?
[12:06] <darkxst> amjjawad, won't be installed by default
[12:06] <darkxst> but always available if someone wants to use it
[12:07] <amjjawad> so UGSC will be the default while USC and Synaptic on the Repo, correct?
[12:08] <darkxst> amjjawad, it will be LSC still, it being rename to 'Light Software Center' and will look mostly like a native GNOME app
[12:08] <amjjawad> ok
[12:08] <amjjawad> remind me please, why we can't use GNOME software center?
[12:09] <darkxst> amjjawad, we will eventually, but it needs backend work to the archives to be useful
[12:09] <darkxst> try google Debian Dep11
[12:09] <darkxst> we need that!
[12:12] <amjjawad> https://wiki.debian.org/DEP-11
[12:14] <darkxst> amjjawad, yes, that doesnt exist even in debian just yet
[12:14] <amjjawad> yes, I see it is a proposal
[12:15] <amjjawad> AppStream is a cross-distro effort to provide an application manager ("AppStore") for all distributions, with advanced features like ratings & reviews. It uses the well-known Open Collaboration Service API to achieve this. The project should also improve collaboration with upstreams as well as collaboration with other distributions (packages can be compared easily using this metadata - useful for e.g. sharing patches)
[12:15] <darkxst> it is in progress though
[12:15] <amjjawad> interesting information
[12:16] <darkxst> amjjawad, so the client side is pretty set out now, but only fedora and maybe opensuse have archive side implemations of serving up the metadata
[14:23] <mjayk> afternoon all
[14:36] <eliasps> Hey mjayk
[14:39] <mjayk> haya eliasps you up to much
[14:43] <eliasps> Nah, nothing much. Same old routine :P
[14:43] <eliasps> How about you?
[14:44] <mjayk> I just got offered a job once I finish my PhD so im happy / trying to actually finish my thesis :o
[14:45] <eliasps> Awesome! PhD in physics?
[14:45] <mjayk> ye
[14:46] <eliasps> More awesome! I love physics. Up to a point because it gets complicated on a certain level :P
[14:48] <eliasps> I am studying theoretical and applied mathematics, specialized in software development, mathematical modeling and simulations. Only experience I have in physics is on newtonian mechanics, acoustics and waves and thermodynamics, fluid dynamics and electromagnetism.
[14:48] <eliasps> Wish you the best both on you thesis and your career afterwards
[14:48] <mjayk> ill need it to get it finished
[14:49] <eliasps> What is the subject of your thesis?
[14:49] <mjayk> the title is
[14:49] <mjayk> generation of longitudinally polarised terahetz radiation for the phase space maniupulation of relativistic electrons
[14:50] <eliasps> Like I said, complicated stuff. :P Good luck!!
[15:05] <eliasps> Got to go.
[15:05] <eliasps> Bye everyone, see you around