[00:43] <bkerensa> I wonder who the Ubuntu People are :)
[00:43]  * bkerensa got a e-mail today from someone in Portland trying to install Ubuntu and he said he e-mailed the Ubuntu people and they directed him to me =o
[00:43] <seidos> huh
[00:44]  * seidos scratches mind made head
[00:44] <bkerensa> Kinda cool guy though... Gonna meet him at Starbucks on Sunday and give him a Ubuntu CD and Ubuntu User Magazine and invite him to LoCo stuff :D
[00:45] <seidos> green tea
[00:45] <seidos> it's good, and good for you
[00:50] <seidos> i got one of those starbucks cards, and had like 4 glasses
[00:51] <seidos> you can get a "for here" cup/glass at starbucks
[00:51] <seidos> makes starbucks more bar like, not that they have stools there
[03:21] <DarkwingDuck> Is the planet broken?
[03:35] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: yes, I submitted a ticket earlier today
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> :/
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> Just when I ran a call for translators.
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> Oh well.
[03:38] <pleia2> I'm really hoping it's fixed soon, it's vital to how the community spreads news, and without it we have no ubuntu weekly newsletter either
[03:38] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I agree.
[03:38]  * DarkwingDuck mutters
[03:38] <DarkwingDuck> Know anyone looking for a mobile workstation?
[03:39] <DarkwingDuck> Looking to sell my ThinkPad W700
[03:39] <pleia2> specs?
[03:42] <DarkwingDuck> http://paste.kde.org/122113/ plus case and 2nd battery
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> 1400 +shipping
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> Or, trade for a Zareason Strata Pro 13 with 4gig ram + 8cell batt :P
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> It's just the weight, I'm tired of lugging it around.
[03:47] <pleia2> vmx \o/
[03:47] <pleia2> heh, yeah
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> It's close to 9 lbs.
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> You saw it at SCaLE back in feb.
[03:48] <pleia2> the size is what really put me off to the larger strata pro, otherwise it's a great laptop
[03:49]  * pleia2 spoiled by netbook
[03:49] <DarkwingDuck> I want something light.
[03:52] <pleia2> I really love the form factor of the cr-48, it's light, decently-sized and has great battery life
[03:53] <DarkwingDuck> cr-48?
[03:55] <pleia2> the trial chromebook
[04:03] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh
[04:34] <seidos> hey DarkwingDuck
[04:34] <seidos> hi everybody!
[04:43] <Mark___> hello?
[04:45] <DarkwingDuck> hi?
[04:46] <DarkwingDuck> hi
[04:46] <Mark___> hey :)
[04:47] <seidos> hi hey
[04:47] <seidos> gah, i don't know what to make of the world today.  i'm going to sleep early though.
[04:48] <seidos> still have stuff to do, though
[04:48] <DarkwingDuck> Trying to sell my laptop :(
[04:50] <seidos> why's that?
[04:50] <seidos> $?
[04:50] <DarkwingDuck> No, it's too heavy for me with stuff.
[04:50] <DarkwingDuck> So, I nee th $$ for a lighter lappy
[04:51] <DarkwingDuck> specs: http://paste.kde.org/122113/ comes with 2nd battery and case. It's a Lenovo ThinkPad W700
[04:51] <DarkwingDuck> 1400USD
[04:52] <seidos> Lenovo is chinese
[04:52] <seidos> i wonder what system76 or zareason's system are from
[04:52] <seidos> *where
[04:52] <Mark___> Lenovo's are pretty good quality though
[04:52] <seidos> ah, yeah, i have a 13", but i don't even take it anywhere since the battery essentially died, and cord is hanging by a thread
[04:52] <seidos> yeah, i hear good things about them
[04:53] <seidos> probably same specs as the IBMs
[04:53] <DarkwingDuck> Its nice
[04:53] <seidos> it's probably good to help out the local stores though if you can
[04:53] <seidos> not telling you what to do, just saying
[04:53] <seidos> i'm not even sure what i would get now if i had to buy a system
[04:54] <Mark___> i have a Lenovo ideapad y560
[04:54] <DarkwingDuck> If you know of anyone looking...
[04:54] <seidos> probably a 14" special
[04:54] <Mark___> i cant think of anyone :/
[04:54] <seidos> not that there are any stores around here that sell them
[04:54] <seidos> i can ask around at the ashram
[04:55] <Mark___> where in CA do u guys live?
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> San Diego
[04:55] <Mark___> me too :)
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> really? :)
[04:55] <Mark___> ya, north county san diego
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> ahh, I'm down in Imperial Beach.
[04:56] <DarkwingDuck> On tuesday we are having an Ubuntu Hour
[04:56] <DarkwingDuck> In hillcrest.
[04:56] <seidos> did you try craigslist?
[04:56] <seidos> that's how i sold my old macbook pro
[04:56] <Mark___> i doubt ill be able to go because of school and football
[04:56] <seidos> oh Mark___ isn't MarkDude
[04:57] <seidos> i'm in LA
[04:58] <Mark___> ya, i just joined into this channel after using ubuntu for not really long, but ive known about it for a long time
[04:59] <DarkwingDuck> Not yet. I'm going to put it on craigslist tomorrow when I find my windowz CDs
[05:02] <seidos> hey akk
[05:02] <seidos> well, welcome Mark___
[05:03] <seidos> good luck DarkwingDuck, i sold my macbook pro for $1200 i think
[05:04] <gueriLLaPunK> near Sacramento here
[05:05] <seidos> sacramento, how's the new governor?
[05:06] <seidos> i forget his name, he's been working for the government for years though
[05:06] <seidos> i can kind of see his face though
[05:06] <seidos> ah, Jerry Brown
[05:07] <seidos> i think he used to be DA
[05:07] <seidos> oh, Attorney General
[05:08] <seidos> he's a catholic, hopefully he wasn't molested
[05:08] <seidos> wow, went to Yale, didn't know that
[05:10] <seidos> anyway, there really isn't any reason to stay up anymore
[05:10] <seidos> night all
[05:10] <gueriLLaPunK> lol wow
[05:10] <gueriLLaPunK> good night
[05:19] <Mark___> :/
[05:20] <Mark___> o hai :p
[07:01] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: btw, I'll get the banner and tablecloth shipped down next week (need to find a tube to fit the banner, it's larger than the ones jdeslip made)
[07:08] <pleia2> ok, heading toward bed now
[16:34] <bkerensa> \o/ MarkDude is here
[16:35]  * MarkDude is here
[16:35] <MarkDude> almost over jet lag
[16:35] <MarkDude> stayed in Ohio toooo long
[16:35] <seidos> you're alive!
[16:40] <MarkDude> yes
[16:40] <MarkDude> hey there seidos
[16:41] <seidos> pat on the head, a scratch behind the ear
[16:41] <raevol> HAPPY FRIDAY
[16:41] <seidos> venus lock
[16:41] <seidos> haven't sat under a tree today, but that's the plan for later
[16:42] <seidos> like rip van winkle
[16:42] <pleia2> friday++
[16:43] <seidos> sunday, moonday, mars day, mercury day, thor day, venus day, saturn day
[16:43] <raevol> mers = tir?
[16:43] <seidos> friday probably is the best
[16:43] <raevol> mercury = odin?
[16:43] <raevol> venus = friiga?
[16:43] <raevol> frigga*
[16:44] <bkerensa> =o
[16:45] <seidos> i think
[16:45] <pleia2> raevol: what do you do that you're always so excited for 5PM to come? if you don't mind me asking
[16:46] <raevol> customer service :)
[16:46] <raevol> pleia2: it's like working with kids, except the kids have a massive sense of entitlement and know cuss words
[16:47] <pleia2> ah, customer service will do that :)
[16:47] <raevol> yea, and it's for a web service, so the kids also don't know how to use computers
[16:47] <pleia2> oh boy
[16:47] <raevol> and tend to be small business owners, so that sense of entitlement is amplified
[16:47]  * pleia2 nods
[16:48] <raevol> know anywhere that's hiring? :) i'm smart and cute!
[16:48] <pleia2> haha, where are you located? what's your expertise?
[16:48] <raevol> san diego, trying to move to san francisco, but either works
[16:49] <raevol> expertise in LINUX, web design, IT, dance, acting, film, A/V, Djing, customer service
[16:50] <raevol> also sound design
[16:50] <pleia2> quite the diversity there :)
[16:50] <raevol> also writing, currently enrolled in a technical communication certification
[16:52] <bkerensa> Talend is hiring in the Bay Area
[16:52] <bkerensa> http://www.talend.com/jobs/jobs-talend.php
[16:52] <seidos> the economic club of washington d.c.:  http://economicclub.org
[16:52] <bkerensa> I know their Community Manager and the company supports FOSS
[16:52] <bkerensa> :)
[16:53] <bkerensa> Talend (Even though they are California based) paid for Ubuntu Oregon's Booth Electric
[16:53] <raevol> hmm, i don't think i qualify for any of those side from possibly the sales one, and i want to get out of sales :(
[16:54] <seidos> what's so bad about sales?
[16:54] <seidos> do you have to sell your soul to survive?
[16:55] <raevol> i don't like convincing people to buy things, because i don't like to buy things
[16:55] <raevol> i also don't like convincing people
[16:56] <seidos> yeah, me neither.  but that could be fine if the job has a base salary to it.
[16:56] <pleia2> sales certainly takes a certain kind of person
[16:57] <seidos> i remember when i worked in a/v, there was like 1 nice salesman, and he was stressed perpetually
[16:57] <seidos> he would put his reputation on the line, try to be the customer's friend, then would stress if the company failed to deliver
[16:57] <seidos> and fail it did at one point
[16:58] <seidos> it seems like sales should really be "spreading the word", anyway, preaching to the choir i bet
[16:59] <raevol> i agree, if people don't come to you already interested in your product, you've failed somewhere other than sales
[17:00] <grantbow> fyi, live talk with Tiff, some friends and I in #dreamfish if anyone cares to talk with us
[17:04] <nhaines> Hmm, not necessarily.  There are plenty of reasons a customer might not be interested but you can definitely get them excited for your product.
[17:05] <raevol> you can, for sure, but that's the part i don't like doing :) unless it's a really amazing product that i use myself
[17:05] <seidos> yeah, if you aren't willing to use the product yourself, something is wrong
[17:06] <nhaines> It may not be a product that you need.
[17:07] <seidos> well, it can get complicated.  but convincing someone that they need something they don't is a big problem
[17:08] <pleia2> nhaines: at all interested in doing a User Days session next Saturday? :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/natty
[17:09] <pleia2> our last slot is at 3PM
[17:09] <nhaines> Haha, one slot left eh?  Maybe.  :)
[17:09] <nhaines> Any topics they're looking for?
[17:10] <pleia2> we don't have a "Switching from another OS" talk yet (just an Ubuntu Equivalent Programs) one
[17:10] <nhaines> Hmm.  I could probably do that.
[17:10] <pleia2> another popular one was how to install trusted software
[17:11] <nhaines> Heh, it's getting harder to do that since I switched 6 years ago.  :)
[17:11] <pleia2> so using software center, why you shouldn't implicitly trust PPAs (but you can somteimes!), discussing random tarballs you find online...
[17:11] <nhaines> I'll do "switching from another OS" because I can talk about backups and I work for Western Digital so I know backups.  :)
[17:11] <nhaines> I can throw in Software Center stuff.
[17:11] <pleia2> cool, software center stuff is always confusing for people coming from windows
[17:12] <pleia2> (then again, most people understand "app store" now)
[17:12] <pleia2> ok, adding you to the schedule now! thanks :)
[17:12] <nhaines> You're welcome.  :)
[17:12] <akk> Backups and software center seem interesting enough to deserve a session, without cloaking it in being "switching from".
[17:13] <akk> There might be people interested in those topics who have long since switched.
[17:13] <nhaines> Ninja backup training!
[17:14] <pleia2> I was assuming he meant "back up stuff before you install ubuntu" rather than a comprehensive exploration of backups in linux itself
[17:15] <akk> Oh!   Especially outdoors and not dangling in front of my screen.
[18:18] <akk> oh, yeah, and not getting caught in your face and clothes as you walk by
[18:18] <MarkDude> True akk, there is a minimum safe distance they can be appreciated
[18:19] <MarkDude> How are your gooseberries doing?
[18:19] <seidos> i really should only be scared of widows and recluses
[18:19]  * MarkDude has all sorts of flowers, and maybe 8 plants
[18:19] <akk> Excellently, thanks! The original one is a big bush (it's still two plants) ... lots of berries on it though none have dropped recently.
[18:19] <seidos> but biology makes this a challenge
[18:20] <akk> Then I have two youngsters that grew from seed -- one of them is almost as big as the original was when you gave it to me.
[18:20] <MarkDude> seidos: well scared is relative. I was certainly startled with having one on my face.
[18:20] <akk> (They're still indoors in pots, but I just repotted both of them to bigger pots)
[18:21] <akk> And a tiny sprout in the kitchen window that lives but isn't growing -- probably needs to be repotted.
[18:21] <MarkDude> They grow at weird rates. They deal with wilting rather well
[18:21] <akk> Yes, I've noticed that if I have to be out of town for too long in hot weather, they don't die, they just stop growing and hold steady until they get more water.
[18:21] <akk> Wonderful plants. :)
[18:22] <seidos> MarkDude: even webs bother me, and it takes will to remain calm.
[18:23] <seidos> so, yeah, as long as one doesn't panic, i guess a little fear isn't a problem
[18:23] <MarkDude> Well properness in panic
[18:24] <seidos> i remember when i was a kid i investigated a spider web, and then felt something on my leg and saw it crawling on my ankle
[18:24] <seidos> freaked me out
[18:24] <seidos> did the "freaky spider mambo"
[18:24] <MarkDude> Spider on me was time to wave web off me wildly. Moments later tho, seeing spider with bug in web- THAT spider had no panic to offer, just help for the garden.
[18:25] <seidos> i'm better about it these days, but there is still uncertainty
[18:25] <seidos> there was a black and white spider on a friend's hand the other day
[18:25] <seidos> he's in his 60s, and calmly asked "do you know what kind of spider that is?"
[18:26] <MarkDude> Your Buddhist edge can appreciate the eating spider should not startle you. As long as you SEE his web
[18:26] <seidos> it had the shape of a black widow, but white spots on the abdomen
[18:26] <MarkDude> lol
[18:26]  * MarkDude is not quite that cool with spiders- wish I was tho
[18:26] <seidos> no kidding
[18:26] <seidos> i'm pretty cool with bees
[18:27] <seidos> one landed on me the other day and it didn't bother me
[18:27] <seidos> wasps are different story
[18:29]  * MarkDude likes watching bees gather pollen on flowers
[18:30] <MarkDude> Geeknic next weekend- sat in Los Gatos
[18:30] <akk> \o/
[18:30] <MarkDude> FB is archiving the Gidget Kitchen group :(
[18:31] <seidos> i made a new card
[18:31] <MarkDude> I use FB all the time- but I almost felt like using the word hate to describe some of their changes, instead will use word annoyed
[18:31] <seidos> need to find some heavier paper to print them on
[18:31] <seidos> facebook = irc + picassa?
[18:32] <MarkDude> seidos: Kinkos will let you buy a few loose sheets- in varying colors
[18:32] <seidos> and maybe a text file for your contacts
[18:32] <seidos> MarkDude: cool, i should find one around here.  will go after lunch
[18:32] <seidos> i also re-registered to vote today as an independent
[18:32] <seidos> i took an extra voter registration card
[18:33] <MarkDude> Well it is time for me to re-do long term GK plan, and start asking for help
[18:33] <seidos> i need to brainstorm a shorter URL for fictionalphilosophy
[18:34] <seidos> nobody remembers it by name
[18:34] <seidos> most of the people i run into these days could care less though, they are more interested in jobs
[18:35] <MarkDude> Well forget numbers- one person caring is enough, IMHO
[18:35] <seidos> maybe i should start hanging out in beverly hills more
[18:36] <seidos> one person caring is sufficient, but imagination hopes for bigger and better things for all parties
[18:36] <seidos> perhaps separation is ultimately necessary
[18:36] <MarkDude> Affluence does help some things in life happen. Not all of course.
[18:36] <seidos> i'm not even talking about affluence, just minimum wage :)
[18:37]  * MarkDude needs to hang out more with rich folks, their donations can help GK and Partimus
[18:37] <seidos> i read poverty level is the highest its been in 17 years
[18:37] <seidos> the idea is, get money, hire someone
[18:37] <MarkDude> Well yes, not that you would be affluent, just more they might have more job offers than say South Central LA
[18:38] <MarkDude> % wise
[18:38] <seidos> USC is in south central
[18:38] <seidos> they had a lot of bikes there, i think i went on a tuesday
[18:39] <akk> All colleges have a lot of bikes.
[18:40] <seidos> not so
[18:40] <seidos> you have to see it, it's like swarming
[18:40] <seidos> ucla, cerritos, csulb, nothing like it
[18:40] <seidos> when i was at stanford, and berkeley too
[18:41] <MarkDude> Portland feels like the whole town is swarming with bikes
[18:41] <seidos> maybe it was winter break
[18:41] <seidos> i wonder if denver is the same
[18:41] <seidos> did you ever get a pair of vibram five finger akk?
[18:42] <seidos> i'm not sure how much they are these days, but i'm finding vans to be sufficient up to 5 miles
[18:42] <seidos> they will have to do
[18:42] <akk> no, those things are way too expensive and I don't think I want the separate toes thing
[18:42] <seidos> yeah, they are kind of gimmicky.
[18:42] <seidos> when i ran barefoot i found the bottom of my feet got raw, nothing else
[18:42] <akk> I've been doing occasional barefoot walks, but I still want to find a way to make a soft-soled shoe (like the moccassins I used to have).
[18:43] <seidos> hmmm, yeah, even the vans i have are pretty thick, but they're lighter than most shoes, and they're cheap
[18:43] <akk> Nobody seems to sell them, but I saw a moccassin-making kit at Michael's that I might try.
[18:43] <seidos> there's an idea
[18:43]  * MarkDude misses living near beach. Running barefoot in the sand is rather good for your feet
[18:43] <akk> It is!  Went for a walk (with shoes) near the SJ heritage rose garden
[18:47] <akk> and they had this weird grass, super long blades (like a foot or longer) lying sideways in little piles
[18:47] <akk> and it was super springy/cushiony, like walking on pillows
[18:47] <seidos> a sikh i met wants to go hiking, but, i dunno
[18:47] <seidos> i think i should be meditating more
[18:47] <seidos> sounds surreal
[18:47] <seidos> pillow grass o_o
[18:47] <seidos> like a dream
[18:48] <seidos> there's a trail here that i know of, but it's dirt trails, not really meadow like
[18:48] <seidos> sounds like something pretty unique to your area
[18:48] <seidos> jealous me steals SJ from you
[18:48] <seidos> muahaha
[18:48] <akk> No, I'm pretty sure it's just a type of grass people can plant -- I'd read about it before but never walked on it.
[18:49] <seidos> personally i think we should plant life grow more around here
[18:49] <seidos> everyone's yard has like a proverbial crew cut or a flat top
[18:49] <seidos> but, letting stuff grow may mean less jobs...sooo, something else would need to be done
[18:49] <seidos> *let
[18:50] <akk> I don't much like mowed grass either ... I like things a bit wilder.
[18:50] <nhaines> Guess what I just signed for here at my cubicle?  http://ubuntuone.com/5jesYEs93iNlFkwLq67Op9
[18:53] <grantbow> nice
[18:53] <pleia2> hehe
[18:55] <seidos> let me know when telekinesis is working
[18:55] <seidos> or better yet, i remember reading a clone wars novel, and some jedi master had a wound on his hand, and he just stared at it and made it feel better
[18:56] <akk> Wow, it is not easy to identify grasses with google. I give up trying to find this stuff.
[18:56] <seidos> that would be a useful skill
[18:56] <seidos> maybe hash is the best grass to grow
[18:56] <seidos> make sails and "juice"
[18:56] <seidos> or hemp, rather
[18:56] <seidos> hash is probably a different strain
[18:57] <seidos> the evil kind
[18:57] <seidos> exeunt
[18:58] <akk> Something that gets you arrested is probably not the best plant to grow in the yard.
[19:46] <philipballew> is there anything different that happens if i enter sudo su then if i enter just sudo with each command?
[19:51] <pleia2> strictly speaking "sudo su" (not "sudo su -") wouldn't be a huge difference, you will be able to do things like pipes and command redirects which are tricker with sudo
[19:51] <pleia2> and it won't log your commands to auth.log
[19:51] <pleia2> (sudo logs to auth.log, awesome for systems with shared administration via sudo)
[19:52] <pleia2> "sudo su" also logs to the /root/.bash_history rather than /home/user/.bash.history
[19:52] <pleia2> s/bash.history/bash_history
[19:59] <philipballew> dropping to a root shell is easier sometimes
[19:59] <philipballew> but only for convience
[20:00] <philipballew> yet I like to know what i have typed in before
[21:10] <bkerensa> Anyone in San Francisco wanna go to the TwilioCon After Party? I got a link for free tickets... Maybe a good opp to advocate for Ubuntu? pleia2?
[21:12] <bkerensa> Big SF Tech Party for any Ubuntu Users in the Bay Area: http://www.twilio.com/conference/ringdown/
[21:53] <pleia2> bkerensa: thans anyway, but it's hard enough to get me to go to after parties of conferences I attend ;)
[21:54] <pleia2> s/than/thanks
[21:54] <bkerensa> pleia2: What... Thats the best part of conferences that and the networking opportunity in the hallways
[21:54] <pleia2> oh bah
[21:54] <bkerensa> :D
[21:54] <bkerensa> lol
[21:54] <pleia2> bkerensa: oh no, I am very shy
[21:54] <bkerensa> :)
[21:54] <raevol> why would you go to conferences if you don't go to parties :P
[21:55] <raevol> this is like why would you do theater if you don't go to the cast party
[21:55] <bkerensa> idk right raevol?
[21:55] <pleia2> I go to conferences to learn things and collaborate!
[21:55] <bkerensa> Why would you buy salad and not buy ranch dressing :D
[21:55] <pleia2> parties are not my scene :)
[21:55]  * bkerensa goes to network
[21:55] <bkerensa> Learning for me is book based or DIY :)
[21:55] <raevol> i tend to do more learning and collaborating at the parties
[21:56]  * bkerensa learned that giant sized robotic metal spiders that blow flames do exist at a OSCON party
[21:56] <raevol> link?
[21:56]  * bkerensa finds a flickr pic
[21:58] <pleia2> it's sad that I miss opportunities to network, but I'm really not very good at it and I'm much happier hiding from people at the end of the day
[21:59] <bkerensa> raevol: http://imgur.com/ESQOw <-- Robotic Giant Sized Metal Spider that blows 15 foot flames :D
[21:59] <raevol> sounds like you need some self confidence
[21:59] <bkerensa> =o
[21:59] <raevol> bkerensa: it's everything that i hoped and dreamed
[22:00] <bkerensa> raevol: It was scary because in addition to that they had this flame cannons all around the party that were periodically shooting fire balls and making very loud popping noises
[22:00]  * bkerensa was concerned that the pyro guys might make a mistake
[22:00] <raevol> hmm
[22:00] <raevol> hahahha
[22:00] <pleia2> raevol: just shy and an introvert, self confidence is grand but still doesn't change that I am not great with people and need serious recharge time after a day full of conferenceness :)
[22:01] <pleia2> there are reasons I'm a sysadmin and not a community manager ;)
[22:01] <raevol> hmm i see
[22:01] <pleia2> but IRC is ok, I'm not shy on IRC
[22:02] <nhaines> pleia2: that is why Ubucon is so exhausting for me.
[22:02] <pleia2> nhaines: I bet!
[22:02] <nhaines> Doing intros and outros is a blast and Q&A with jokes is a BLAST but man, that's more social time than I used to pack into SCaLE itself.
[22:03] <raevol> i want to go to scale this year so bad
[22:04] <pleia2> scale is cool
[22:04] <nhaines> This is probably the most egregious retconning of the Star Wars trilogy yet!  http://i.imgur.com/xWweh.gif
[22:05] <pleia2> haha, oh nooo
[22:06] <nhaines> pleia2: :)
[22:07] <nhaines> pleia2: also I think you meant "No.  Nooooo!"
[22:08] <pleia2> lol
[22:08] <pleia2> indeed
[22:08] <pleia2> also, do you know how many times I've bought star wars already?
[22:08]  * pleia2 sticks with the DVDs for now
[22:10] <nhaines> pleia2: I have the THX-enhanced ones (P&S boo!) and then the Special Edition on VHS, I have all of them on DVD (but German copy of Episode I) and now I have the Blu-rays.
[22:11] <nhaines> pleia2: the worst thing about Ubucon is in addition to the intros and Q&A where I'm talking and being personable to every single person in the room at least once, people insist on talking to me between sessions!
[22:12] <raevol> social interaction quotient exceeded
[22:12] <raevol> so i'm a salsa dancer
[22:12] <raevol> and sometimes when out dancing some girl will get too talkative
[22:13] <raevol> so then you just ask her to dance and that ends the conversation
[22:13] <raevol> pretty effective
[22:13] <nhaines> I already don't sleep well the night before, plus picking up my videographer adds an extra hour to the commute.  :P
[22:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: I'm shy when it comes to talking
[22:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: as in public speeches.... I get all shaky and uhh nervous :)
[22:15] <nhaines> bkerensa: that's the easiest time to talk!
[22:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: But 1 on 1 or small groups is no big deal
[22:16] <nhaines> Everyone's there to see you and they're hanging on every word!
[22:16] <bkerensa> LOL
[22:16] <bkerensa> exactly
[22:16] <nhaines> If you take a moment to compose a thought, the silence actually focuses their attention and builds anticipation!
[22:16] <bkerensa> nhaines: Yeah and projector helps too :D
[22:18] <nhaines> During a Powerpoint class I was teaching I talked about how a prop like a water bottle can be a good friend if you need to compose a thought, and of course, the one secret weapon, the most powerful tool you can ever use is-- *drink water calmly, make eye contact all around* -- the dramatic pause.
[22:19] <pleia2> nhaines: I had the trilogy on CED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance_Electronic_Disc) too, that's how I first saw it
[22:19] <nhaines> pleia2: I read about that once in a book!
[22:21] <pleia2> nhaines: I didn't actually know what they were called until a couple years ago, people always thought I was talking about laserdiscs when I explained CEDs ;)
[22:21] <pleia2> "The format was commonly known as "videodisc", leading to much confusion with the contemporary Laserdisc format"
[22:21] <nhaines> pleia2: they are videodiscs.  :)
[22:21] <pleia2> indeed!
[22:22] <nhaines> pleia2: I think I first saw Star Wars broadcast on KTLA channel 5.
[22:22] <nhaines> I remember being like 7 or so and just sort of amazed at the boarding of the cruiser and how real everything looked and how scary Darth Vader was.
[22:23] <pleia2> bkerensa: I'm with nhaines, public speaking is easier if you practice and are prepared, my issue is conversation without a point or goal, with a presentation these things are very clear
[22:23] <pleia2> it takes some time getting over being nervous, but there are lots of great books about public speaking
[22:24] <nhaines> pleia2: oh, I use silence as a weapon if the audience isn't focusing, haha.
[22:24] <pleia2> nhaines: darth vader gave me nightmares! but I think I was too oblivious to the world to notice that things looked real, why wouldn't they look real? movies look real. :)
[22:24] <pleia2> daleks gave me worse nightmares though
[22:24]  * bkerensa is getting a ChromeBook from Samsung next week :) for free :D Google failed me
[22:25] <pleia2> I am still kind of scared of daleks :)
[22:25] <nhaines> pleia2: it was something about the visceral sound the blasters made, and the way the bolts threw sparks when they hit the guys (that's been largely edited out since).
[22:27] <pleia2> did they ever released non-special edition dvds of the original trilogy?
[22:27] <pleia2> I know there were rumors about it, I never followed through with actually figuring that out
[22:28] <nhaines> pleia2: yes!  They are letterboxed 4:3 transfers of the Laserdisc releases.
[22:28] <nhaines> Wanted to buy them but couldn't bring myself to do so.  :P
[22:30] <pleia2> nhaines: ah, this? http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Widescreen-Theatrical/dp/B001EN71DG/ref=sr_1_3?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1316212157&sr=1-3
[22:30] <nhaines> pleia2: those're the ones.
[22:31] <bkerensa> Have any of you been down to George Lucas studios in SF?
[22:31] <pleia2> bah, too late now to get them
[22:31] <bkerensa> at the presidio
[22:31] <nhaines> pleia2: you still can, if you hate money.
[22:31] <pleia2> haha
[22:31] <pleia2> bkerensa: no, I don't think it's really a place you can visit
[22:32] <pleia2> they won't shoot you like at skywalker ranch in marin though ;)
[22:32] <bkerensa> why could one not visit?
[22:32] <pleia2> isn't it just an office?
[22:32] <bkerensa> nah
[22:32] <bkerensa> full studios
[22:33] <bkerensa> they do a lot of production for upcoming stuff there I thought?
[22:33] <pleia2> you can't just walk into studios either!
[22:33] <pleia2> :)
[22:34] <bkerensa> e-mail their PR people :P
[22:34] <pleia2> it's near Starfleet Academy
[22:34] <pleia2> :P
[22:34] <bkerensa> oh geez my printer ink alarm went off
[22:34] <bkerensa> :(
[22:34] <bkerensa> no more ink
[22:35] <pleia2> Dear PR people, I LIKE STAR WARS, CAN I VISIT? THANKS.
[22:35] <pleia2> (PS: take back the prequels)
[22:35] <pleia2> (PPS: lego starwars is cool though)
[22:36] <nhaines> bwahaha
[22:36] <nhaines> pleia2: Star Wars: The Clone Wars is pretty nifty though.
[22:36] <pleia2> there is a walt disney museum in the presidio, I've been meaning to go to that
[22:36] <nhaines> Especially once they calmed the heck down on just quoting catchphrases from the films.
[22:36] <pleia2> nhaines: yeah, my cousin was telling me that recently, I am skeptical but I'll probably give it a chance eventually
[22:37] <nhaines> pleia2: they're *fun*.  It's like walking into Episode III and the first 30 minutes are just really fun, like the OT.
[22:37] <nhaines> pleia2: also the Jar Jar episode is hilarious.
[22:37] <pleia2> oh dear
[22:37] <nhaines> Or maybe that's Anthony Daniels.  But they don't tone down Jar Jar at all.  :)
[22:38] <pleia2> I think I'm mostly mad at the prequels for making me hate anakin
[22:39] <pleia2> he was not at all likable
[22:40] <pleia2> oh hey, I still have work to do
[22:44] <nhaines> pleia2: maybe I would be disappointed by watching Unhook the Stars again, but I'm fairly certain Jake Lloyd could act.
[22:44] <nhaines> But I can clearly identify performance issues from him in Episode I which were director issues.
[22:45] <nhaines> And I *know* Natalie Portman and Liam Neeson can act.
[22:45] <pleia2> same with medium anakin, that actor could act elsewhere too
[22:45] <pleia2> yeah
[22:46] <nhaines> Not sure about Temura Morrison but his redubs of Jeremy Bullochs' lines in Empire are so flat that it *can't* be anything but Lucas's fault.
[22:46] <nhaines> All he had to do was give the same delivery but in his voice.  :P
[22:46] <pleia2> and Ewan McGregor is always hot! I mean a good actor!
[22:47] <nhaines> haha
[22:47] <nhaines> I don't think I've seen him in anything else but he does a fine Sir Alec Guiness impression and does a really good job in the prequels.
[22:48] <pleia2> he's been in a lot, probably best known for Trainspotting though
[22:48] <nhaines> pleia2: what's sort of odd is the German dub, listening to his voice actor try an impression of Ewan McGregor doing an impression of Sir Alec Guiness.
[22:49] <pleia2> lol
[22:49] <pleia2> nice
[22:51] <nhaines> pleia2: the first time I watched it, when Watto showed up speaking Huttese, the subtitles came up in German and it broke my mind.
[22:51] <nhaines> (I was watching without subtitles to that point.)
[22:52] <pleia2> haha
[22:54] <nhaines> If I remember correctly, the German voice actor does all the German and Huttese lines, and then for Sebulba who only speaks in Huttese they just leave the original voice actor.
[22:54] <nhaines> Also, the kid who did the dub for young Anakin did a spectacular job.
[22:54] <nhaines> Better than Jake Lloyd.
[22:55] <pleia2> http://www.frys.com/product/6488722?site=frysecampaign is tempting
[22:55] <nhaines> (Not fair?  Jake was 9ish and the German kid was a popular voice actor and 13ish)
[22:55] <pleia2> but noooo, waiting for super battery life laptops
[22:56] <nhaines> ooh, tempting...  and my laptop has been really grinding along lately...
[23:35] <DarkwingDuck> This is a good laptop: http://www.ebay.com/itm/290610810117?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 :P:P
[23:35] <DarkwingDuck> if someone sells it I'll denote 100 bucks via paypal.
[23:37] <pleia2> the $300 laptop is beyond my budget already :)
[23:37] <DarkwingDuck> lol


[01:56] <teward> anyone on watch today in #ubuntu right now?
[02:07] <bazhang> who
[02:08] <Unit193> kadiro and dafty it looked like.
[02:09] <teward> yep
[02:10] <teward> looks defused now, initially looked like it was starting to burn into a fireball
[02:10] <teward> thanks
[02:10] <bazhang> dafty is one of the good guys, I thought
[02:10] <bazhang> was it a breakdown in civility
[02:12] <Unit193> Kind of seemed like kadiro thinking he has rights, of some sort.
[02:12] <bazhang> looks like kadiro made a random not so good suggestion and got called on it, didnt like it
[02:13] <bazhang> and dafty is nothing if not blunt, but hardly wrong in that case
[04:55] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: I trust you're talking to him in a query somewhere?
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> If I have to, I guess.
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> (It's also timed-removal)
[22:09] <Jordan_U> !spam
[22:10] <Jordan_U> That's such a short message that I don't really see the point in it being a factoid.
[22:10] <k1l_> yeah
[22:11] <Unit193> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE ?
[22:12] <genii> But if it was longer, it could be considered spam
[22:13] <k1l_> that is a dilemma
[22:15] <Jordan_U> rww changed it last, so I'll ping them about it some time before removing it.


[16:48] <mord> neat. jaunty with lxde seems to be fast enough to be actually usable on a n810.
[20:13] <Stralytic> has the ubuntu-mobile meeting happened yet?


[20:13] <epinky> ojii:  "sudo adduser witschi-law"<enter> it will ask you in step two I think
[20:13] <ojii> ibuclaw: yes I'm 100000000% sure that this dir exists
[20:14] <ibuclaw> hmm
[20:14] <ibuclaw> one min, I'll simulate this in a VM
[20:14] <ojii> ibuclaw: note that the dir is owned by root when i created it, i then changed ownership but still can't login properly
[20:15] <ibuclaw> ojii, did the directory exist before you created the user?
[20:16] <ojii> ibuclaw: i tried both existing and with none existing dir
[20:16] <nanonanu> ojii the path to get to that may not have the correct perms,
[20:16] <Ramses_II> hi everybody - can someone give me please a hint why the KEYBOARD of my xps m2010 from dell does NOT work with ubuntu 9.10 - synaptic touchpad DOES work! :) - have to plug in a USB keyboard -> weired
[20:16] <ojii> nanonanu: chown -R username:group /that/path didn't help....
[20:16] <nanonanu> ojii a directory without the correct perms may not be traversed
[20:16] <ojii> nanonanu: ?
[20:17] <nanonanu> ojii you are not following, the parent dir may not have the correct perms to allow you to view it
[20:17] <Ramses_II> with ubuntu 9.04 i had no troubles - except the sound
[20:17] <ojii> nanonanu: why would a user need to be allowed to view parent dirs of his homedir?
[20:17] <osman> hi there I need to make a dvd what program should i use well i try brasero but is showing me an error
[20:17] <nanonanu> ojii does it work fo ryou?
[20:17] <KnifeySpooney> Why is there a program on synaptic called "pornview"?
[20:17] <ojii> nanonanu: ?
[20:18] <nanonanu> ojii btw those are not common places to put a home directory
[20:18] <ChaseM1991> KnifeySpooney: LOL
[20:18] <mbeierl> say, anyone know if there is a way to disable the built in "little knob" mouse in the middle of the keyboard on a laptop?
[20:18] <LjL> KnifeySpooney: why not?
[20:18] <Hick0rd> I have ubuntu 9.10 and kde installed on the same machine I have installed the mono develop ide, I compiled it from the source and it runs great on gnome, but when I run it from kde, it doesn't work properly. and it wouldn't (make run) under kde... which worked normally under gnome.
[20:18] <Hick0rd> Is there any (obvious) reason why this happens? It is not critical but I am curious to know if there is a why to make this work.
[20:18] <nanonanu> mbeierl -> a pair of pliers, will do
[20:18] <ojii> nanonanu: I know! but it's a ftp user which needs access to a dir in var www only! because it's only for a website!
[20:18] <KnifeySpooney> LjL: No specific reason.. just I would think after seeing the strictness of this chat room that ubuntus repos were even more sanitized
[20:19] <mbeierl> nanonanu: HA!  I'm really close to doing that.  I have an older laptop where that mouse is failing and is constantly moving the pointer to the top of the screen
[20:19] <nanonanu> ojii -> you are not getting the point, to traverse a directory path, the user must have a valid perms to traverse it
[20:19] <pkkm> how to install tor?
[20:19] <grawity> pkkm: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TOR has instructions.
[20:20] <ojii> nanonanu: define 'valid perms to traverse it', i don't want to give the user rights to actually do a lot in the directories below his home dir
[20:20] <ibuclaw> ojii, seems to work for me ...
[20:20] <ojii> ibuclaw: o_O
[20:20] <nicolaus> hello
[20:20] <grawity> mbeierl: You sure it isn't just recalibrating itself?
[20:20] <ChaseM1991> I keep getting E: bird: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[20:20] <ChaseM1991> E: bird6: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[20:20] <ojii> ibuclaw: can you tell me exactly how you did it? maybe I messed up somewhere
[20:20] <ibuclaw> ran the command you posted above
[20:20] <nicolaus> is anyone seeing this
[20:20] <nanonanu> ojii -> try as that user, traversing each dir path one by one
[20:20] <grawity> nicolaus: Yes.
[20:20] <ChaseM1991> anyone know how i can fix that?
[20:20] <ibuclaw>  adduser --home /var/www/vhosts/witschi-law.ch/httpdocs/sites/witschi-law.ch/ witschi-law
[20:20] <nicolaus> i have a question
[20:21] <nicolaus> how do i make my desktop picture keep changing
[20:21] <grawity> ojii: User must have the "execute" (+x) permission for each directory in the path -- that is: /, /var, /var/www, /var/www/vhosts, and so on.
[20:21] <pkkm> grawity, thanks
[20:21] <mbeierl> grawity: yes, it keeps happening constantly.  first up, then down....
[20:21] <nicolaus> how do i make my desktop picture keep changing
[20:21] <ojii> grawity: thanks, seems he can't cd into httpdocs
[20:21] <guntbert> mbeierl: pull it, clean it, clean the keys around it and put it back
[20:21] <nanonanu> ojii -> there grawity made it clearer for me .. thanks
[20:21] <ibuclaw> grawity, ++
[20:22] <nicolaus> hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[20:22] <Roasted> Has anybody used Samba4? If so has anybody had better luck with it overtop of the existing Samba version?
[20:22] <mbeierl> guntbert: thanks.  Did that.  used compressed air, etc...
[20:22] <tonyyarusso> nicolaus: You can script it by using gconftool-2 to set the key.  There isn't really a built-in nice method.
[20:22] <ibuclaw> !hi > nicolaus
[20:22] <nicolaus> ty
[20:22] <nicolaus> hi ibuclaw
[20:23] <fbdystang> Hi all. I am trying to get my printer to work. It is an HP. I have installed HPLIP, which says that jobs are submitted then completed. Nothing coming out of printer. Help!
[20:23] <guntbert> mbeierl: remember I said clean the surrounding keys too, because they tend to "push" it a little
[20:23] <ChaseM1991> !love > nicolaus
[20:23] <ojii> grawity: how do i chmod a dir for a user?
[20:23] <epinky> fbdystang: dumb question, is it plugged and powered? :)
[20:24] <tonyyarusso> ojii: same as a file.  If you want to change everything in it as well, use -R.
[20:24] <grawity> ojii: Well, Unix only supports setting permissions for directory's (or file's) owner, group, and the rest. But I see no reason why couldn't you just set all directories to be executable by everyone (o+x)
[20:24] <nanonanu> ojii -> i know this is an extra work for you, but try  man chmod
[20:24] <fbdystang> epinky: of course, I can even see it through the IP
[20:24] <mbeierl> guntbert: that's why I'm at a loss and am hoping there is a way in software to disable it... the direction changes all the time, and if I push really hard on the knob-mouse in the right direction I can usually force it to halt progress and sometimes get it back
[20:24] <Guest4951> join #_HW_
[20:24] <al_> man this is weird. I have two computers, one setup to accept VNC connections(server). I can connect to the server from my PC but when I go to connect to the server from the client pc, which is a laptop, using the WAN IP nothing happens.
[20:24] <ibuclaw> ojii, chmod +x
[20:24] <nicolaus> i still dont get it
[20:25] <ojii> so if I run that as root it will work for that user?
[20:25] <nicolaus> how do i make my destopn keep changing the picture
[20:25] <al_> the ports open, but something is screwy on the client laptop
[20:25] <guntbert> mbeierl: I see - let me look (i seem to remember something...)
[20:25] <mbeierl> guntbert: it also happens when the cover of the knob is off.  I really think the knob-mouse itself is dying and I'm trying to just simply override it :(
[20:25] <mbeierl> guntbert: thanks!
[20:25] <ojii> tonyyarusso, grawity, nanonanu: sorry, i was thinking too far
[20:25] <fbdystang> Printer help please :)
[20:26] <nanonanu> mbeierl -> my thinkpad does not have the red dot, i physically peeled it off
[20:26] <Pasteur> #
[20:26] <ojii> tonyyarusso, grawity, nanonanu, ibuclaw thanks a lot! seems setting +x on httpdocs was all I needed to do....
[20:27] <abloylas> join #linux
[20:27] <mbeierl> nanonanu: this is a toshiba... removing the rubber lid doesn't change it's behaviour either ... the thing is possessed...
[20:27] <nanonanu> ojii ->  really sometimes one need to spend some time reviewing file/dir permissions
[20:27] <Roasted> cheese sammiches
[20:27] <guntbert> mbeierl: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint is not exactly what you need, but maybe a starter :-)
[20:27] <ojii> nanonanu: yea i didn't know about the traversing-thing, was only thinking about the actual dir...
[20:27] <nanonanu> mbeierl -> see if the xorg.conf have an entry for it
[20:28] <ibuclaw> ojii, no probs.
[20:28] <Supersaiyan_IV> link me your favorite gnome icon theme
[20:28] <nanonanu> ojii -> but am glad you picked up a new thing to learn
[20:28] <guntbert> !ot | Supersaiyan_IV
[20:29] <mbeierl> guntbert: it's a toshiba, but hopefully some of those will work.
[20:29] <ojii> hmm for some reason my ftp user still can't log in
[20:29] <guntbert> mbeierl: Good luck :-)
[20:29] <ojii> like if i try logging in via ftp it doesn't work
[20:29] <mbeierl> guntbert: thanks!
[20:29] <Roasted> anybody runnin samba4 on their nix rigs yet?
[20:30] <epinky> !anyone | Roasted
[20:30] <Roasted> my quesiton was meant to be targeted towards anyone, since samba4 users seem to be quite minimal yet, but thanks
[20:31] <eee> how to install a program?\
[20:32] <ojii> eee: Applications -> Ubuntu Software Center
[20:33] <ActionParsnip> Roasted: is it a replacement/upgrade for samba?
[20:33] <blacksun7> anyone familiar with csh scripting that could help me learn it?
[20:33] <ojii> eee: that is if you want to install a program from the official repositories, otherwise read the README or INSTALL files that come with the program you want to install
[20:33] <eee> how to go to the Ubuntu Software Center?
[20:33] <agorist> anyone suggest a font manager for me?
[20:33] <grawity> blacksun7: csh? http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/
[20:33] <ojii> eee: you use ubuntu? what version?
[20:33] <ChaseM1991> I keep getting E: bird: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[20:33] <scottj> Is there a command like cat but that syntax highlights code? (maybe uses vim for that)
[20:33] <grawity> blacksun7: bash and zsh are better, IMO :|
[20:33] <eee> the last\
[20:33] <ChaseM1991> E: bird6: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[20:33] <alaqsory> Hi all
[20:34] <eee> i duno from where to go
[20:34] <agorist> I suppose I should ad that I'm looking for a font manager for gnome
[20:34] <blacksun7> grawity, that may be all well and good but this is for a job where i dont get to choose
[20:34] <ChaseM1991> anyone know how i can fix that
[20:34] <ojii> eee: click on 'Applications' in the top left corner of your screen in the menu, then click on "Ubuntu Software Center"
[20:34] <Roasted> ActionParsnip - what, Samba4?
[20:34] <ibuclaw> scottj, not really - why not just use an editor?
[20:34] <Cool_GUY> what is the samba
[20:35] <ActionParsnip> Roasted: aye
[20:35] <agorist> Here's another question. Windows has a hard time starting and running when to many fonts are installed (in the Font folder), does linux have this same sort of problem?
[20:35] <ActionParsnip> !samba | Cool_GUY
[20:35] <scottj> ibuclaw: well, don't you use cat sometimes? Wouldn't it be nice to alias cat to something that works the same but does syntax highlighting?
[20:35] <abloylas> Is there a way to get "Room List" working in Empathy on Karmic?
[20:35] <Roasted> ActionParsnip - yeah, I believe its in beta still, but version 4 is the newer one
[20:35] <scottj> ibuclaw: bc I don't want to have to quit the editor
[20:35] <Roasted> ActionParsnip - I was just curious if any users have played with it in the event of its still too buggy to use or anything like that.
[20:35] <ibuclaw> agorist, not that I am aware of in my 3 years using ... then again - I don't consider myself an avant font collector - nor would I know how many fonts are installed on my system ;)
[20:35] <ActionParsnip> Roasted: might have a play. I found a PPA
[20:36] <eee> i already clicked there is no ubuntu software
[20:36] <Roasted> ActionParsnip - yeah I have it here in the repos on my Kubuntu laptop
[20:36] <Roasted> havent installed it though
[20:36] <alaqsory> I hit <IP_ADDRESS> from the firefox but it can not establish aconnection to <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:36] <ojii> eee: then you don't have newest ubuntu, anyway try: System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager
[20:36] <Roasted> ActionParsnip - I figured it might be worthwhile to try installing on my work laptop since I don't have a samba server here, so if things backfire with samba4 I can just reinstall, whereas at home I have a full blown samba server that I dont want to experiment with
[20:37] <bsdunix> i am trying to get my thinkpad fingerprint reader working. i tried building bioapi from source, run into Qt version issue. (bioapi needs older version)
[20:37] <ojii> Roasted: try asking on #samba
[20:37] <Roasted> ojii - already did
[20:37] <Roasted> and linux
[20:37] <ojii> ah okay
[20:37] <ibuclaw> alaqsory, what are you trying to do?
[20:37] <Roasted> not enough traffic there really
[20:37] <alaqsory> but when I ping it from network tools <IP_ADDRESS> recieved data
[20:37] <ibuclaw> alaqsory, usually:  http://localhost  is used
[20:37] <TrevorRose2010> Hi all. :) I was wondering if there was a way to upgrade from ubuntu 8.04 to the newest version with out ordering the cd or having to create a cd.
[20:37] <alaqsory> ibuclaw: I tried to ping <IP_ADDRESS> from firefox
[20:38] <ibuclaw> from firefox...
[20:38] <ty5479> Hey guys, I have 3 Ubuntu 9.10 machines. When I go to network. They dont see eachother. I do have folders shared on each... I dont get what i'm doing wrong.
[20:38] <ojii> Why would a ftp user not be able to log in (using proftpd, and just normal system users as user)?
[20:38] <alaqsory> ibuclaw: and then ping my roter <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:38] <alaqsory> router*
[20:38] <bsdunix> ty5479: firewall!
[20:38] <Mike_lifeguard> If 'host domain.com' gets you the IP, how can you get the domain name for an IP?
[20:38] <davi`> is there any software to extract .bin files from mac on komic koala?
[20:38] <ibuclaw> alaqsory,  http://<IP_ADDRESS> <-- click to see if you connect
[20:39] <ty5479> bsdlinux:  How do i configure it so it can see other n computers?
[20:39] <alaqsory> there is no connection
[20:39] <bsdunix> ty5479: first try telnet the IP of one to the other
[20:39] <zauber> Hello - I installed the dovecot-postfix package. The only thing I changed from default in the postfix conf is set it up with virtual mailbox-maps using mysql. All that works well - I can recieve mail over imap with dovecot. BUT I cannot send outgoing messages. Keep getting: "Recipient address rejected". Feel like I'm missing something obvious
[20:39] <ibuclaw> alaqsory, is this on the workstation you are using to talk through here?
[20:40] <TrevorRose2010> Is there any way to upgrade from ubuntu 8.04 to the newest version with out having to get the cd or create the cd?
[20:40] <bsdunix> TrevorRose2010: most certainly there should be an easey way to do that. i would check faq's at ubuntu.com
[20:40] <alaqsory> ibuclaw: I tried it on ubuntu on my hard
[20:40] <ty5479> bsdunix: trying now... for some odd reason if i ping the hostname it comes up as <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:40] <ibuclaw> scottj, it may be nice ... but if you don't want to quit the editor, then why not have tabbed terminals... or fork to gedit.
[20:41] <zauber> Also, my server seems to be denying incoming messages as well, from for example gmail
[20:41] <alaqsory> not on virtual machine
[20:41] <ty5479> but if i go to the actual computer, it's <IP_ADDRESS>.. which i cant telnet into
[20:41] <TrevorRose2010> alright, thanks bsdunix. I've got another question, but I'm going to im you to see if you can answer it.
[20:41] <bsdunix> ty5479: <IP_ADDRESS> is not within the private (lan) address range
[20:41] <ibuclaw> scottj, Ctrl+Shift+T to create a new tab in gnome-terminal, Alt+1 and Alt+2 to switch between.
[20:42] <ibuclaw> alaqsory, what does the network manager applet say?
[20:42] <ibuclaw> are you connected ?
[20:42] <icyj> TrevorRose2010:  You can only directly upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10 from Ubuntu 9.04, according to http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[20:42] <alaqsory> I am now on windows ibuclaw
[20:42] <Alan502> Hi :) i've got a pretty big problem :S would you help me? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8428109#post8428109
[20:43] <guntbert> Mike_lifeguard: try with dig -x IP
[20:43] <Mike_lifeguard> guntbert: cool, I'll read the man page
[20:44] <ibuclaw> Alan502, hmm
[20:44] <davi`> is there any software to extract .bin files from mac on komic koala?
[20:44] <guntbert> Mike_lifeguard: dig is the standard dns tool under linux - so that time will be well spent :)
[20:45] <melter> has anyone else had printing problems after upgrading to karmic?
[20:45] <ibuclaw> tech_help, that is a cool nick...
[20:45] <ibuclaw> Alan502, which partition is Kubuntu on?
[20:45] <ibuclaw> Alan502, the /dev/sd?? location
[20:46] <Kevin147> Hi. I am having some troubles with Pidgin Internet Messenger. Every once in a while, it crashes for no reason. I won't even be using it, and it will crash for no reason. I have always had problems in the past with Pidgin, either its something else going wrong with it. I have no plugins installed, so thats not the problem. I just want to get advice, and see how we can fix this. I am running on Ubuntu 9.10 just so you know.
[20:46] <davi`> a
[20:47] <ibuclaw> melter, I've had no issues with network printing with HP printers ... so being a little more specific may help.
[20:48] <Mainstay> Kevin147: I don't know much about problems with pidgin specifically (I used it but don't have many aside from usability ones). First I would wonder if it has to do with any of your existing IM profiles. Perhaps remove them all and add a brand new one. Then see if it crashes.
[20:48] <icyj> Melter:  I am using an HP Laserjet 5000, works perfectly
[20:49] <Alan502> ibuclaw: it is on sda6
[20:49] <Alan502> ibuclaw: i believe i can just copy the directories from some other installation but i dont know if that can be done
[20:49] <Kevin147> Mainstay: I already have done that. In the past I had to re-install it, and then it worked perfectly for a few days, then went back to crashing. It has stopped for a while, it just started again a few days ago.
[20:49] <ruhiger_detlef> hallo
[20:50] <ibuclaw> Alan502, okies I'm going to run you through a procedure, can you paste everything into an open terminal after the :
[20:50] <unitedpotsmokers> guys, what is the best color laser printer and can run perfectly with ubuntu?
[20:50] <guntbert> !hi | ruhiger_detlef
[20:50] <ibuclaw> Alan502,  :  sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt
[20:50] <wrapster> ps -ef |grep qt displays a qcreator as running while top -n 1 |grep qt* fails to do so.. can anyone please explain it to me?
[20:51] <ibuclaw> Alan502,  :  sudo chroot /mnt
[20:51] <guntbert> unitedpotsmokers: please don't start "best thing" polls here
[20:51] <Alan502> ibuclaw: i cannot even enter the command line, i mean, it starts to boot but then it crashes
[20:51] <ibuclaw> Alan502, not in the kubuntu installation.
[20:51] <Alan502> ibuclaw: in the live cd?
[20:51] <ibuclaw> Alan502, do you have another installation of ubuntu?
[20:52] <ibuclaw> or the LiveCD
[20:52] <larry> got a question for you guys
[20:52] <larry> lets suppose that i have an embedded transparent terminal on my desktop
[20:52] <larry> i like to use ncurses apps such as fizmo and cmus on these terminals
[20:52] <larry> how would i make it so that each desktop has a seperate embedded terminal instead of all of them showing the same one?
[20:52] <FloodBot5> larry: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:52] <melter> ibuclaw: networked hp 2605dn
[20:52] <larry> sorry laggy connection
[20:52] <unitedpotsmokers> now i am using hp deskjet d2500 series. it run perfectly....without installing driver manually
[20:52] <Alan502> ibuclaw: live cd will be, wait a minute...
[20:52] <ibuclaw> Alan502, okies
[20:52] <ibuclaw> Alan502, I'll update your thread
[20:52] <trism> Kevin147: out of curiosity, what protocol(s) are you using on pidgin?
[20:53] <blazon> hey how do i get the
[20:53] <blazon> network of my ip
[20:53] <Alan502> ibuclaw: ok thanks :)
[20:53] <djura-san> hello
[20:53] <Kevin147> Trism: Protocol(s)?
[20:53] <djura-san> i have one problem: how to disable updating via update manager on some packages in xubuntu 9.10?
[20:54] <guntbert> blazon: ip ad
[20:54] <wrapster> can anyone answer my question please?
[20:54] <guntbert> !pin | djura-san
[20:54] <trism> Kevin147: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Google Talk, etc?
[20:54] <unitedpotsmokers> guntbert: i only want to know what kind of color laser printer can run with ubuntu without any problem... i am new in linux
[20:54] <ArCHoNKoG> Question, where is the gmd config to install new themes ?
[20:54] <ArCHoNKoG> gdm*
[20:55] <Kevin147> Trism: Ohh, that. Sorry, I had a brain cramp there for a second, I am using 1 account MSN, 1 account Yahoo, And 1 account for Google Talk.
[20:55] <alaqsory> ibuclaw: epinky sorry for lating
[20:55] <Counterspell> I'm having a strange problem with timezones, it seems /usr/share/zoneinfo doesn't include the 'PST' timezone.
[20:55] <tech404_> what is the best way to go about vpn/rdp/whatever? It sounds like NX is a good pick but it's not OSS so I don't want to run it and FreeNX hasn't been updated in a couple of years. I know tightvnc has some compression stuff but it still runs a bit slow on my connection and it is cumbersome to setup a ssh forward everytime.
[20:55] <osman> wow pidgin is the best
[20:56] <djura-san> guntbert: so basically i just need to lock program version in synaptic?
[20:56] <unitedpotsmokers> so if i cant ask your advise here, using this operating system will make useless to me
[20:56] <ga_sk8er> does pidgin do irc chat?
[20:56] <theshadow> ga_sk8er: yes
[20:56] <ga_sk8er> i cant get xchat to find this room
[20:56] <djura-san> ga_sk8er: yes it does
[20:56] <blazon> guntbert i am trying to add an ip to eth0:1 but i dont know the "network" of my ip
[20:56] <guntbert> djura-san: sorry, all I know about it is the factoid I sent you
[20:56] <icyj> ArCHoNKoG: are you just trying to install a new theme?
[20:56] <blazon> how do i know what the "network" address is
[20:57] <alaqsory> it seems there is no solution for my problem
[20:57] <djura-san> guntbert: Thank you. You give me enough material to continue my search. Thank you again :)
[20:57] <ibuclaw> blazon, inside or outside of LAN?
[20:57] <alaqsory> my problem is
[20:57] <blazon> outside
[20:57] <alaqsory> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfR-wGEf_yc
[20:57] <alaqsory> and this http://img163.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=screenshot1zg.png
[20:57] <ArCHoNKoG> icyj, yes
[20:58] <blazon> outside ... <IP_ADDRESS>/29
[20:58] <ibuclaw> blazon, http://www.whatismyip.com/
[20:58] <unitedpotsmokers> so if u dont know the answer dont tell me dont do this or that... i will wait the answer
[20:58] <malek> hi
[20:58] <ibuclaw> Alan502, hi
[20:58] <icyj> ArCHoNKoG: you can open System -> Preferences -> Appearance, then drag the theme archive into the window, and it should install automatically
[20:58] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/333384/
[20:59] <tech404_> blazon: you should have enough data there to add your ip
[20:59] <cheetahw28> are there any type of disk concatenation/jbod packages in ubuntu?
[20:59] <tech404_> blazon: you may also need a default route and a dns server address
[20:59] <malek> can anyone hel. with missing letters on ubuntu, .lz :)
[20:59] <cheetahw28> I usually use freebsd and use gconcat ..
[20:59] <blazon> i have all that
[20:59] <ga_sk8er> i loaded pidgin & loggeed into an irc but i cant see what others are typing
[20:59] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: again, i think something is wrong with the bin directory
[20:59] <blazon> i just dont know how to tell what my "network" address is
[21:00] <ArCHoNKoG> icyj, would that work for gdm themes or over all all themes ?
[21:00] <ga_sk8er> i know ppl are talking in it cause i can see the irc on the website
[21:00] <mariano> hola
[21:00] <ibuclaw> Alan502_, I would suggest reinstallation - as that would be the easiest route.
[21:00] <mariano> hay alguien?
[21:01] <malek> can anyone hel. with missing letters on ubuntu, .lz :)
[21:01] <mariano> i have a question
[21:01] <Ace42> Gah, I think I've shagged my installation of ubuntu.  I was trying to get a serial mouse to work, and the only solution seems to be editing xorg.conf
[21:01] <Ace42> Which didn't exist, so I installed xorg
[21:01] <Ace42> And now the damn pc won't boot
[21:01] <ibuclaw> Alan502_, did you say that you started the Kubuntu Installer and quit halfway through?
[21:02] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: *sigh* well... what would be the other root_
[21:02] <mariano> i have installed ubuntu with 3gb of disc, but in my disc i have more gb.. but when i want to update, it says "not enought disc"
[21:02] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: the ubuntu installer to be accurate...
[21:02] <wrapster> anybody listening here?
[21:02] <mariano> anybody can help me?
[21:02] <ibuclaw> Alan502_, and formatted the partition...
[21:02] <wrapster> could anyone pls ans my question
[21:02] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: no, i never formated the partition
[21:02] <malek> everyone with .roblems and few with knowledge :)
[21:02]  * shurdry gongola
[21:02] <mariano> Hi, anybody can help me?
[21:02] <NoiseEee> mariano: you'll have to repartition your disk to be larger, from what i understand of your question
[21:02] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: i just moved the partitions (logical/primary)
[21:03] <Alan502_> mariano: sup
[21:03] <mariano> noiseee what can i do?
[21:03] <epinky> wrapster: can you repeat your grep command with top
[21:03] <Pupeno> Anyone using unatended-upgrades? it seems not to be doing any upgrades for me.
[21:03] <Alan502_> mariano: just post your question and we can help you
[21:03] <ibuclaw> Alan502_, if you ran the installer, chances am you may have formatted the partition without realising.
[21:03] <mariano> i have installed ubuntu with 3gb of disc, but in my disc i have more gb.. but when i want to update, it says "not enought disc"
[21:03] <shane__> anyone know of a way to convert real audio to mp3?  This is a little harder than I expected.
[21:03] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: i choose to not format the partition on the installer
[21:03] <dabadoo2> is it me or does ubuntu install perl with no regular expression support???
[21:03] <LjL> wrapster: 1) "qt*" is not a valid regular expression as grep expects; "qt.*" would be 2) you should enclose that kind of grep regular expressions in 'quote', or the shell will try to interpret them
[21:04] <NoiseEee> mariano: so you made a partition that's 3GB but you have a larger hard drive, and you want ubuntu to take a larger piece of the hard drive (instead of only 3GB)?
[21:04] <Ace42> Gah, I can't find xorg.conf; I've installed xorg, how do I generate the .conf and get it to do its thing?
[21:04] <ibuclaw> Alan502_, fyi, with grub issues, you boot from LiveCD, mount the partition, chroot in and run:  update-grub
[21:04] <ibuclaw> in the most simplest test cases
[21:04] <ga_sk8er> i still cant get the irc room i want to run on xchat or pidgin
[21:04] <mariano> no, i select in the install of ubuntu in windows.. 3gb install
[21:05] <wrapster> epinky: ps -ef |grep qt displays a qcreator as running while top -n 1 |grep qt* fails to do so.. can anyone please explain it to me?
[21:05] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: yes, i had an idea of how to recover my grub but my internet connection was down
[21:05] <NoiseEee> mariano: sorry don't know
[21:05] <eee> how to install mms?
[21:05] <LjL> wrapster: i just did.
[21:05] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: anyway, do you think that formatting is my ultimate solution_
[21:05] <raindog> dbus-daemon is running at 97-100% constantly. and now certain apps won't start such as rhythmbox and nautilus.  How should I troubleshoot this?
[21:05] <wrapster> LjL: i dont think so.. coz the same format of expression under ps -ef works.. but not in to.
[21:06] <shane__> wow, is it that complex?  anyone have a pointer or two on converting real audio to mp3?
[21:06] <ibuclaw> Alan502_, check the contents of /mnt/home
[21:06] <epinky> wrapster: it shouldn't be "sudo top -n 1| grep -w qcreator" ?
[21:06] <ibuclaw> Alan502_, is your home directory / files there?
[21:06] <mariano> noissee i will explain again.. better
[21:06] <ga_sk8er> i got it in lostIRC :)
[21:07] <mariano> i install Ubuntu on Windows.. right?.. without partition.
[21:07] <wrapster> epinky: no.
[21:07] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: yes they are still there, i can still back them up
[21:07] <wrapster> epinky:  / LjL : please explain this.
[21:07] <wrapster> http://pastie.org/724170
[21:08] <LjL> wrapster: oh well, top would only display a process if that process *is* among the ones consuming the top amount of CPU
[21:08] <mariano> and.. in the option i select 3gb instaltion..
[21:08] <NoiseEee> mariano: not as far as i know
[21:08] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: and re-install but the problem will be re-installing the apps as my internet connection is a little bit poor and downloading them takes me a while
[21:08] <dabadoo2> is it me or does ubuntu install perl with no regular expression support???
[21:08] <Fissio> hey..anyone knows how gps should work on karmic..? i've tried viking and gpsdrive..somehow seems that they can't recognize my gps device.. or get signal from it..should i change some setting from gpsd?
[21:08] <mariano> ahh
[21:08] <wrapster> LjL: no it displays even if the process is consumign 0.0% of CPU
[21:08] <LjL> wrapster: that will depend on the height of your terminal (which makes grepping top... unorthodox to say the least)
[21:08] <mariano> i want to know, if there is an option to do big the disc use?
[21:09] <ibuclaw> Alan502_, do you ever run: apt-get clean,  or apt-get autoclean ?
[21:09] <NoiseEee> mariano: you'd have to install ubuntu on its own partition as far as i know
[21:09] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: not really
[21:09] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: i think that means i can still find my apps in the temp directory right_
[21:09] <LjL> wrapster: but it doesn't display *all* processes, only those consuming the most cpu. if none are consuming much cpu, then it'll show 0. look at "top" and then look at the full output of "ps aux" - don't you think the latter is a little longer?
[21:09] <mariano> NoiseEee: there is an option to install Ubuntu on windows.
[21:09] <epinky> wrapster: afaik that grep qt* will take 't' letter
[21:10] <ibuclaw> Alan502_, check /mnt/var/cache/apt/archives
[21:10] <LjL> wrapster: try "ps aux | wc -l" and "top -n 1 | wc -l" to count the number of lines (i.e. the number of processes)
[21:10] <NoiseEee> install ubuntu on windows???
[21:10] <wrapster> LjL:definitely
[21:10] <mariano> yes.
[21:10] <raindog> NoiseEee: using Wubi
[21:10] <ibuclaw> Alan502_, anything that is a .deb file will be of help =)
[21:10] <mariano> no no..
[21:10] <mariano> yes, raindog..
[21:10] <LjL> wrapster: well, that shows that a process won't necessarily be shown by top...
[21:11] <wrapster> LjL: yeah so which is the best way to observe process then?
[21:11] <LjL> wrapster: err, that depends on what exactly you're trying to observe, i guess.
[21:11] <LjL> wrapster: why doesn't grepping "ps" work?
[21:12] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: ok, thanks for your help :D ill tell you how it goes and update the thread
[21:12] <wrapster> LjL: it does.. but i cannot get the cpu / memory utilization and all
[21:12] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: very appreciated man
[21:12] <wrapster> for that process...
[21:12] <Ace42> Could anyone talk to me a little about setting up xorg?
[21:12] <LjL> wrapster: yes you can, "ps aux | grep qt"
[21:12] <mariano> anybody can help me?... i install Ubuntu on Windows.. and when i want to update, it say "not enought disc space", but i have sufficient space.
[21:13] <LjL> wrapster: this would probably be best though: "top -p pid-of-qtcreator"
[21:13] <Alan502_> mariano: please run sudo fdisk -l on the ubuntu terminal, and paste its contents on paste.ubuntu.com
[21:14] <mariano> Disco /dev/sda: 80.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>6 bytes
[21:14] <mariano> 255 cabezas, 63 sectores/pista, 9729 cilindros
[21:14] <mariano> Unidades = cilindros de 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[21:14] <mariano> Identificador de disco: 0x248cad1d
[21:14] <mariano> Disposit. Inicio    Comienzo      Fin      Bloques  Id  Sistema
[21:14] <mariano> /dev/sda1               1        1019     8185086   27  Desconocido
[21:14] <FloodBot1> mariano: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:14] <wrapster> LjL: yes i understand that.. but this is acutally going into an automation script that im writing .. where im displaying all the process and if the user finds that th process is eating up mem /cpu he will kill it...
[21:14] <NoiseEee> mariano: he said paste it to the link ^^
[21:14] <dabadoo2> hehe you had to know that was coming
[21:15] <mariano> sorry i have pasted it
[21:15] <wrapster> LjL: so if it does not show up in the top output in the first place.. how will he know about its existence at all...
[21:15] <mariano> sorry i dont understand so much english jaja
[21:15] <mariano> now, what can i do?
[21:16] <Alan502_> mariano: did you install ubuntu with wubi_
[21:16] <iceroot> mariano: german?
[21:16] <dj_> hey guys i have a cd it has 8 .mpg files how can i convert all them to one dvd file
[21:16] <Alan502_> iceroot: he speaks spanish lol
[21:16] <iceroot> Alan502_: ah ok, thought of "jaja" which is german
[21:16] <Alan502_> iceroot: whats the spanish channel? he might be better understood in that one
[21:16] <thiebaude> !es | mariano
[21:16] <mariano> alan502: yes, i install with the option INSTALL ON WINDOWS, with the autorun in Windows xp
[21:17] <wrapster> LjL: so any idea how i can resolve this?
[21:17] <Alan502_> iceroot: jaja is also a laugh in spanish :)
[21:17] <iceroot> Alan502_: ah ok
[21:17] <mariano> Gracias ubottu
[21:17] <ojii> #proftpd seems to be dead, so I'll try here: I have two VPS servers running ubuntu, on both i have proftpd installed and both have the same config file, but on one i can log in with my users, on the other i cant (not even with root!), why would that be?
[21:18] <LjL> wrapster: uh, well, i'm not sure what your script intends to add compared to "top" (which can already sort processes by amount of memory taken, and lets the user kill them)... but you should definitely grep "ps" (if anything, surely not "top") in a script. you also shouldn't use "*" unquoted in a script - the implications of doing that are that the script will fail to work correctly depending on what *files* one has in the current directory, because * is a
[21:18] <LjL> shell wildcard.
[21:18] <LjL> wrapster: finally, i suggest #bash for more specific help regarding commands to use in a script
[21:18] <dabadoo2> i get configure: error pcre-config not found, install pcre-devel package or blah......... apt-get or package manager has nothing for pcre-devel.. any clues please?
[21:19] <mariano> anydoby can help me?
[21:19] <Alan502_> iceroot: do you know what command to run to see how much disk space he has occupied_
[21:19] <dabadoo2> df
[21:19] <wrapster> LjL: ok thanks...
[21:19] <Alan502_> mariano: wait a minute, im googling, not a linux expert >,<
[21:20] <lionstone> hi, running 9.10 synaptic is totally dead. can't figure out why. get msg about "another synaptic is running, trying to bring it to foreground" but ps|aux grep "syanptic" is empty
[21:20] <lionstone> pls help any clue, googling for an hour now
[21:20] <battyone> lionstone, what about system updates, apt-get, etc?
[21:20] <jograd> what's that lionstone?
[21:20] <LjL> lionstone: you did grep "synaptic", and not "syanptic", right?
[21:20] <lionstone> fine
[21:21] <lionstone> yes :)
[21:21] <ibuclaw> Alan502_, posted: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8428315#post8428315
[21:21] <LjL> lionstone: try "ps aux | grep apt" too
[21:21] <Lint01> I cannot install Ubuntu 9.10 over itself, why?
[21:21] <lionstone> LjL: roger
[21:21] <LjL> !aptfix | lionstone, if that shows nothing, do this
[21:21] <wrapster> LjL: you will probably throw me out of this channel for ever i guess...
[21:21] <LjL> wrapster: i don't have that ability
[21:21] <warriorforgod> wrapster: Will you pastebin your script so I can take a look at it?
[21:22] <lionstone> ubottu, Ljl: apt is running
[21:22] <LjL> lionstone: "apt" what?
[21:23] <wrapster> LjL: top also shows it but i had written in such a way that i manually removed those processes that at the moment are using 0.0% CPU and with -n 1 switch added to top it was being yanked out....
[21:23] <epinky> mariano: Alan502: " df -h"
[21:23] <wrapster> and thats y it was not displayed..
[21:23] <wrapster> LjL: really sorry buddy....
[21:23] <lionstone> LjL: sorry, that was just the grep process. nothing besides that
[21:23] <ibuclaw> Alan502_, if there is anything else you need explaining / clarifying just ping me
[21:23] <Lint01> I cannot install Ubuntu 9.10 over itself, why?
[21:23] <LjL> wrapster: try it a few times. if it's using 0.0, it'll sometimes show and *sometimes not*, depending on where it ends in the list
[21:23] <wrapster> warriorforgod: that would not be necessary as i figured it out.. my mistake itself.
[21:23] <Ryan2> Anyone know where I can get the b43-fwcutter files from?
[21:24] <LjL> lionstone: then issue the command i gave. that will unlock apt, but it may complain about something then.
[21:24] <lionstone> LjL: I ran the command with no problem but still no synaptic
[21:24] <wrapster> LjL: but is there a way i can know the currently running processes?
[21:24] <LjL> lionstone, erm, i don't mean grep, but the other
[21:24] <sebsebseb> Lint01: delete the partition,  I have done format / before and things not going how they should have  regarding space
[21:25] <jograd> im working on firewall, security, iptables, postfix. this is coool. linux rules. ubuntu is linux. linus torvaldds is a god
[21:25] <LjL> wrapster: erm, yes, "ps aux"...?
[21:25] <wrapster> LjL: I mean processes as they can be seen on my actual desktop.
[21:25] <jograd> all of us are mere disciples of linus torvalds
[21:25] <sebsebseb> Lint01: or whatever it was
[21:25] <lionstone> LjL: yes, apt was not running at all. I was confused by the grep process :)
[21:25] <wrapster> LjL:not like that.
[21:25] <LjL> wrapster: a process is a process. do you want to know about windows?
[21:25] <Lint01> sebsebseb: I cannot delete that partition, it contains my data; and it's not out-of-space error
[21:25] <wrapster> LjL:yeah perhaps...
[21:26] <sebsebseb> !home |  Lint01
[21:26] <Chico> Does any know where I can get help on changing my incoming POP3 Port Numbers and my Outgoing SMTP numbers
[21:26] <lionstone> Is there any was at all to debug synaptic? I can put up anything on pastebin. But running sudo syanptic is just straight up empty
[21:26] <Ryan2> Where can I find the driver files for the BCM43xx wireless?
[21:27] <Lint01> sebsebseb: I don;t have a separate partition for /home, I want to use what I really have and not all that conjectures
[21:27] <Kovensky> uh, something is wrong with the HP F300 driver on ubuntu
[21:27] <Alan502_> ibuclaw: im impressed of your attention :) thats why i like the linux community. I will tell you if i need something and i am now updating the thread. Thank you very much!
[21:27] <epinky> Chico: servers or client?
[21:27] <agorist> Anyone suggest a Font Manager for gnome?
[21:27] <micromachstick> hi i have a ipod classic 6th generation and hundreds of cds...and i was wondering which media software would be best for me? i've tried songbird and banshee but neither have been very successful...
[21:27] <Kovensky> I'm connecting to a SMB-shared F300 printer
[21:27] <wrapster> LjL: any idea?
[21:27] <Kovensky> when I try to print, the printer starts moving but doesn't output anything
[21:27] <Chico> Client
[21:27] <sahilsk> i need a solution which convert pdf to text in exact pattern.
[21:28] <sahilsk> any such tool guys?
[21:28] <Kovensky> CUPS gives up on the printing after waiting for a few minutes, and the printer gets stuck in "printing" mode without doing anything
[21:28] <epinky> Chico: : client program?
[21:28] <LjL> wrapster: other than playing with "xwininfo", for now, no
[21:28] <Kovensky> connecting the printer locally and printing works, but I can't really do that since then I'd need to share the printer on the network, and this is a notebook so I can't really act as a printing server
[21:28] <Chico> Trying to setup email on evolution
[21:28] <wrapster> LjL: ok
[21:28] <sahilsk> tool to convert .pdf to .txt, preserving the pattern ?? or tool to convert .txt file to a  specific regex??
[21:29] <lionstone> when i run strace synaptic, i get messsages about EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable). but dont know what that means
[21:29] <sinizzl> hello. can someone please nmap me and post the results on some pastebin? my hostname is 84-74-27-28.dclient.hispeed.ch
[21:29] <helluvaCSmajor> i start bluetooth but cannot get it to work, what do i do to figure out what is wrong?
[21:29] <lionstone> i think this was initially the result of a broken package but I fix the dpkg issue, apt-get and dpkg and aptitude all run fine
[21:30] <Ryan2> Please! someone help - How can I enable my wireless card in my laptop?
[21:30] <Lint01> I'm getting 'error installing the base system' while installing Ubuntu 9.10 over itself, how to fix it.
[21:30] <lionstone> even sudo aptitude reinstall works fine
[21:31] <lionstone> is there anything i can do to clear all the synaptic locks? if that is the problem?
[21:31] <Younger1> hi, anyone running 9.10 on amd64?
[21:31] <Spookje> hyiRyan2
[21:32] <Spookje> sorry, hi Ryan2, how to enable your wifi in your laptop?
[21:32] <Younger1> i tried it immediately after it was released, but it crashed during booting
[21:32] <Ryan2> Spookje: Yeah, I done PCI check thing in terminal and it knows what model and chipset, or whatever, so how can I enable it?
[21:33] <lionstone> LjL sorry to bother you but I am desperate - any suggestions?
[21:33] <Spookje> u have laptop right, which brand, example acer or this or that
[21:33] <Ryan2> Spookje: Dell Latitude d505
[21:34] <Spookje> in fact it must auto detect your wifi and then it works, whit ubuntu
[21:34] <LjL> lionstone: i'm googling, but it doesn't seem to help
[21:34] <wildc4rd> evening all
[21:34] <LjL> lionstone: naive suggestion... « find ~/ | grep "ynapt" »
[21:34] <jirib> hello all
[21:34] <jirib> anybody from OpenOffice.org Scribblers?
[21:34] <Spookje> possible u do first update whit a network cable to your laptop
[21:34] <Ryan2> Not with my card, I think.
[21:35] <Spookje> to get the drivers
[21:35] <ikonia> jirib: try the channel #openoffice.org
[21:35] <Lint01> that stupid installer says I can install over existing system, and that I cannot on the other, ridiculous
[21:35] <jirib> ikonia: thx
[21:35] <LjL> lionstone: i don't even have synaptic installed myself (kubuntu here), so can't try much
[21:35] <Ryan2> Spookje: Is it possible to get it to work without having to keep downloading the drivers via wired connection, whilst in Live CD?
[21:35] <Lint01> *on one screen,,,,,, on other screen
[21:36] <DrRobino> Did anyone in here ever use a LENOVO T61p with ubuntu?
[21:36] <Spookje> Ryan2, my laptop also not work first time, u must use by the first intsall of ubuntu a network cable connected
[21:36] <ikonia> DrRobino ask your question
[21:36] <Zer> To access a ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file, what user do I need to give permission to for SSH to be able to read it?
[21:36] <Zer> root?
[21:36] <bsdunix> DrRobino: i am now using ubuntu with my ibm thinkpad t42 - hope i can be helpful
[21:36] <Lint01> I'm getting 'error installing the base system' while installing Ubuntu 9.10 over itself, how to fix it?
[21:36] <Spookje> ubuntu.nl
[21:36] <ikonia> Zer 600
[21:37] <Spookje> test
[21:37] <Ryan2> Spookje: I am, but is there a way of obtaining the installer files so I don't have to keep reconnecting to wired?
[21:37] <Zer> Which user?
[21:37] <ikonia> Zer the owner of the home dir
[21:37] <brianw> Where does ubuntu store the xorg.conf file?
[21:37] <Zer> (chusr/chgrp... it's presently rw for u, r for g)
[21:37] <ToStItOs> Anyone familar with networking Windows xo and Ubuntu for file sharing?
[21:37] <DrRobino> bsdunix: Yes...so you also have such a trackpoint mouse right?
[21:37] <Spookje> i dont know... me also just a newbie!
[21:37] <helluvaCSmajor> how do i get bluetooth to work?
[21:38] <lionstone> LjL - cool thanks though!
[21:38] <ikonia> Zer: it needs 600 for the owner - that's it
[21:38] <bsdunix> DrRobino: by trackpoint, you mean the touchpad? i am always happy with the erasertip poiting device instead.. not using the pad
[21:38] <Zer> Hmm. Still isn't working. Weird. brb
[21:39] <Zer> Still claims they aren't in AllowUsers
[21:39] <ToStItOs> How do I share my files between Windows xp and Ubuntu
[21:39] <DrRobino> bsdunix: yes exactly. This red point between G,H and B. You understand what I mean?
[21:39] <bsdunix> DrRobino: however; yes, i have that- but have not yet tried to configure it
[21:39] <Ace42> Gah, I am really getting fed up of ubuntu fast.  Every five minutes I find a new problem to which the only solution involves a load of command-prompt text that DOESN'T WORK with this distro...
[21:39] <Zer> which is funny because I can log on to other accounts as well without that problem (though they use passwords)
[21:39] <ikonia> !samba > ToStItOs
[21:39] <ikonia> Zer: then that has no relevence to your key problem
[21:39] <Lint01> I'm getting 'error installing the base system' while installing Ubuntu 9.10 over itself, how to fix it?
[21:39] <bsdunix> DrRobino: yes. the red point. worked automagically fo rme
[21:39] <DrRobino> bsdunix: It works, but i cannot use it to scroll as it can in e.g. windows
[21:39] <bsdunix> ah.
[21:39] <Zer> What do you mean? The only difference is the .ssh/authorized_keys
[21:40] <bsdunix> the blue middle button
[21:40] <ikonia> Zer: password authentication has nothing to do with authroized_keys so has no relevence
[21:40] <ToStItOs> ikonia I have Samba installed still cannot get my domain workgroup to recognize this computer which has ubuntu on my windows machine
[21:40] <ikonia> Lint01: tell it to format the partition at the installer
[21:40] <DrRobino> bsdunix: for example if you open a browser with a long page and want to scrolle it, you press and hold the middle button ande press down...but nothing happens
[21:40] <Lint01> ikonia: I cannot format the partition
[21:40] <ikonia> Lint01: why ?
[21:41] <ikonia> ToStItOs: you'll need to get your ubuntu machine to be a domain member to use your windows AD group as auth
[21:41] <Lint01> ikonia: because it has my /home and some applications
[21:41] <bsdunix> DrRobino: i think googling 'thinkwiki' and 'touchpoint' may help you
[21:41] <ikonia> Lint01: then why are you trying to re-install ?
[21:41] <ToStItOs> Ikonia: how do i do that?
[21:42] <ikonia> ToStItOs: that's quite a complex process
[21:42] <Lint01> ikonia: because my current system became unusable after last update
[21:42] <DrRobino> bsdunix: well tried but nothing useful
[21:42] <ikonia> ToStItOs: are you sure you want it to auth against your domain ?
[21:42] <dj_> hey guys i have a cd it has 8 .mpg files how can i convert all them to one dvd file
[21:42] <ikonia> Lint01: define usuable
[21:42] <helluvaCSmajor> can someone help me debug bluetooth?
[21:42] <Lint01> ikonia: it does not boot. are you happy?
[21:43] <ikonia> Lint01: what is the problem with won't boot - what happens ?
[21:43] <ToStItOs> Ikonia I just want to be able share my files between both computers. My network is hooked up via wired connection
[21:43] <jirib> does anybody have rootfs and swap on luks?
[21:43] <losha> dj_: are you saying you want to make a dvd that will play in a stand-alone dvd player?
[21:43] <ikonia> ToStItOs: that's fine, you don't need your domain for that
[21:43] <jirib> i have a key in crypttab but it asks me for pass during boot :/
[21:44] <dj_> losha:yes i have a cd it has 8 mpg files, i want to create a single dvd
[21:44] <losha> dj_: Use the program 'devede....
[21:44] <ToStItOs> Ikonia so how can I share files I have Samba installed what configurations do I need to do
[21:44] <ikonia> ToStItOs: you basically need to map your windows user accounts on the client, to some unix+samba accounts on the linux box
[21:44] <ikonia> ToStItOs: if you read through the samba link ubottu sent you, I think it covers it at a high level
[21:44] <Lint01> ikonia: it writes about mountall failure and stops booting. pressing ^D brings on crippled console which eats first character of input, and has no linebreaks
[21:45] <ikonia> Lint01: can you get the exact error ?
[21:45] <jirib> ToStItOs: http://www.google.com/cse?cx=004599128559784038176%3Avj_p0xo-nng&ie=UTF-8&q=samba&sa=Search
[21:45] <jirib> little searching in help.ubuntu.com :)
[21:46] <Lint01> ikonia: mountall failed. Press Ctrl-D to open maintenance console or smth like it
[21:46] <ikonia> Lint01: could really use the exact error, it normally gives a clue why mountall will fail
[21:47] <Zer> The relevance is that the only difference I can see is one uses ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and one uses password authentication. The former gives an error talking about AllowUsers, and the latter just works.
[21:47] <ikonia> Zer: yes, so no relevence at all
[21:47] <Zer> Ok. Any idea why the former wouldn't work then?
[21:48] <ikonia> Zer: use ssh -v to find out why, it's either going to be your local key file or your authorized_keys file
[21:49] <ToStItOs> Ikonia thanx for the link I needed that question as far as the second about guest do I use guest or????
[21:49] <jirib> ssh key is for client is always local, authorized_keys contais public part of the private key
[21:49] <Lint01> ikonia: it's irrelevant to my question. I want to re-install the system, and even had to download a special alternate installer CD, which was promised to be able to in-place update systems. But when I'm trying to do it, it fails
[21:49] <ikonia> ToStItOs: you can use guest if you want
[21:49] <Lint01> ikonia: I don't care about my system' present state
[21:49] <ikonia> Lint01: yes, so mountall is a disk problem, and if it can't install the base system that may be a disk problem also so I'm trying to see if there is a common issue
[21:49] <ToStItOs> Ikonia it wont affect anything right?
[21:50] <ikonia> ToStItOs: nope
[21:50] <ToStItOs> ok let me try this and see what happens
[21:50] <ToStItOs> thanx alot
[21:50] <Lint01> ikonia: when I installed it first time, I had formatted that partition, so it cannot be a disk error.
[21:51] <ikonia> Lint01: that means nothing
[21:51] <ikonia> Lint01: your system currently has a problem, and your installer currently has a problem - you may have a disk problem
[21:52] <Drepanon> hi guys
[21:52] <brumugun> hi
[21:52] <lainy> im currently preparing to reinstall ubuntu because my sound isnt working but..is there any way to reinstall alsa so i can save some time?
[21:53] <Drepanon> what happen if I create a soft-raid1 array with ubuntu, then I install windows ext3 drivers on my XP dual-boot ?
[21:53] <jirib> Drepanon: you won't probably see ext3 partitions
[21:53] <ToStItOs> Ikonia one last question: How many mounts do I create 2?
[21:53] <ticoit> Drepanon: 2012!


[20:24] <_stink_> just got power back an hour ago
[20:25] <_stink_> we were out since sunday morning
[20:26] <greg-g> wow
[20:27] <rick_h_> _stink_: ouch, glad you're back in action
[20:27] <rick_h_> my inlaws lost for most of sunday but had it back that night
[20:27] <cmaloney> _stink_: Ugh. That sucks
[20:27] <rick_h_> I didn't know it was still going on
[20:27] <cmaloney> we had some flickering over here.
[20:27] <cmaloney> so you must be over by the south-end of Royal Oak then
[20:28]  * cmaloney is blanking on the actual location
[20:28] <_stink_> we're right by the high school... wrapped up in the outage that impacted much of clawson
[20:28] <cmaloney> Oh right
[20:28] <cmaloney> Yeah, that whole area was goofed up
[20:29] <cmaloney> Though when we got back from Meijer 34 we came down 14 mile. When we left it wasn't up. When we got back last night it was
[20:29] <cmaloney> (Yes, I remember Meijer store numbers.)
[20:29] <jrwren> How do you even know store numbers?
[20:30] <_stink_> haha.
[20:30] <_stink_> now.. what to do with the freezer stuff.
[20:30] <_stink_> that's mostly rhetorical
[20:31] <cmaloney> jrwren: Well, I worked at that Meijer in Royal Oak for many a summer
[20:31] <jrwren> oh man, the blackout of 2001 was so fun. I got to eat so much ice cream that first night of hte outage!   :)
[20:31] <cmaloney> so.. um...
[20:31] <cmaloney> They print the store number on the receipt
[20:31] <_stink_> hah, we chugged the milk at 5pm on sunday
[20:31] <cmaloney> the one in Madison Heights is 222
[20:32]  * cmaloney dates himself by noting that he worked at Meijer when they had a bottle return staffed by people.
[20:32] <cmaloney> and a party pantry
[20:32] <greg-g> what's a party pantry, grandad?
[20:32] <cmaloney> and pet and garden when they had hamsters and pets weren't over by grocery
[20:33] <cmaloney> greg-g: It's like a party store inside Meijer that had an outside door
[20:33] <cmaloney> so folks could get their 40oz before / after work
[20:33] <_stink_> greg-g++
[20:34] <cmaloney> I remember when Meijer had an electronics departmet at the front of the store
[20:34] <cmaloney> and an arcade
[20:34] <cmaloney> and an Oasis where you could leave your children
[20:34] <cmaloney> unsupervised
[20:34] <greg-g> good old fashioned abductions
[20:35] <cmaloney> Yeah, none of these new-fangled social media luring
[20:35] <greg-g> :)
[20:35] <cmaloney> just make a selection in the middle of Meijer and off you go
[20:35] <cmaloney> One Stop Shopping at the M.T.A.
[20:35] <cmaloney> (Meijer Thrifty Acres)
[20:36] <cmaloney> wow, that turned dark quick.
[20:37] <cmaloney> Anywho... um... yeah, that's how I know the store numbers.
[20:38] <cmaloney> _stink_: Glad you got power back.
[20:38] <_stink_> nice try, changing the subject :P
[20:38] <cmaloney> Was it that obvious? :)
[20:38] <rick_h_> hah
[20:39] <rick_h_> "look everyone! puppies!" https://photos.app.goo.gl/kzhY5wPo1w548tyD3
[20:39] <jrwren> I missed where it went dark.
[20:39] <jrwren> Abductions?
[20:40] <jrwren> I've never heard of an abduction from a child care center at a retail store. I don't think they happen.
[20:40] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Awwwww!!!!
[20:40] <rick_h_> damn sometimes I realize how spoiled amz has made things. I'm like "didn't I order something..." and have to go look it up because if it was amz it'd be here but for other places it takes 3 days just to ship
[20:40] <cmaloney> jrwren: I'm sure the fear was worse than the threat ever was
[20:41] <cmaloney> rick_h_: yeah, Amazon really does spoil you
[20:41] <rick_h_> I got a shipped notice on a thing I ordered last week I forgot I ordered
[20:41] <rick_h_> oh...well that's good I guess
[20:42] <rick_h_> yea, puppies! going to be a fun summer with the new puppy in the house (in 2months)
[20:42] <rick_h_> like having a kid again...waking up the middle of the night, can't go places, etc.
[20:43] <_stink_> you sell it so well
[20:43] <rick_h_> I'm trying to prepare my wife
[20:43] <rick_h_> she's forgotten how much work it was
[20:43] <rick_h_> "OMG it's going to be amazing!"
[20:44] <rick_h_> ummm yea...after I spent 8months training it :P
[20:44] <rick_h_> until then guard your shoes!
[20:44] <_stink_> hah
[20:49] <jrwren> ugh.
[20:50] <jrwren> that is why I don't have a dog.
[20:50] <jrwren> but then I see dogs and I really really want one. :)
[20:51] <rick_h_> I've wanted this dog since I was about 10...only taken 30 years to finally get there
[20:51] <rick_h_> so I'll take the work to get there.
[20:51] <cmaloney> Get a cat.  They're love-buckets.
[20:53] <cmaloney> Pixel managed to get into the turkey during thanksgiving and horked up on the kitchen floor when we had company over
[20:54]  * rick_h_ can't wait to be a cat-less house one day
[20:54] <rick_h_> but to each their own :P
[20:54] <cmaloney> heh
[20:55] <jrwren> can't do cats because of alergies.
[20:55] <cmaloney> You do realize they'll live to be 10
[20:55] <cmaloney> 100
[20:55] <jrwren> might not be able to do dogs either, but I might be willing to suffer.
[20:55] <cmaloney> yeah, cat allergies are common.
[20:55] <rick_h_> they're 12 now....
[20:55] <rick_h_> and show no signs of dying
[20:55] <rick_h_> #@%$@%$#@'ers
[20:55] <jrwren> lol
[20:55] <cmaloney> My parents' cat lived to 20+
[20:55] <rick_h_> oh stfu
[20:55] <rick_h_> I don't need to hear that
[20:55] <cmaloney> 12 is middle-age for a cat. :)
[20:55] <rick_h_> I'm holding out hope that 2020 is a magical year of no cats :P
[20:56] <cmaloney> hahahahaha
[20:56] <cmaloney> not unless you have a pillow-case and a bucket of water
[20:56] <rick_h_> see, the internet is full of crap. You ask it how long cats live and they say "Lifespan: 4 – 5 years" and then you notice... (In the wild)
[20:57] <jrwren> you could let your cats roam the neighborhood freely, killing birds and possibly getting picked up by coyotes.
[20:57] <rick_h_> this is where I went wrong "Cats who spend significant unsupervised time outdoors tend to survive to be about 7 years old, while indoor-only cats can be expected to live to around 14 years of age."